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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @creativecommons: Next in series on CC welfare impact ur1.ca/1y2b5 #econ #researchOct 04 00:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Is there really an Open Source “Tea Party Movement”? http://ur1.ca/0k8kg #mobbyists = Tea Party dronesOct 04 00:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Moved by Freedom  Powered by Standards » Is there really an Open Source Tea Party Movement? .::. Size~: 55.1 KBOct 04 00:00
Ender2070"as a particular result of the lack of uptake on the First ELSE phone as well as a general lack of return on the mobile platform business, decided to stop development of the ACCESS Linux Platform, and laid off  35% of their staff—myself included—as a result." --- ie, Sinking ShipOct 04 00:02
Ender2070http://caffeine.shugendo.org/2010/09/27/life-is-what-happens-to-you-when-youve-made-other-plans/Oct 04 00:03
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Life is What Happens to You When Youve Made Other Plans «  Another Rant From “Lefty” .::. Size~: 28.92 KBOct 04 00:03
Ender2070"There’s definitely a blog posting to be had in why mainstream open source has been a consistent and habitual failure in the mobile space" LOLOct 04 00:03
Ender2070Android, Symbian, etcOct 04 00:03
Ender2070have not failedOct 04 00:03
schestowitz[23:59] <Ender2070> they trolled as much as they could, it couldn't prop up the ELSE and the trolls got cannedOct 04 00:03
schestowitzAll of them?Oct 04 00:04
Ender2070just ALPOct 04 00:04
_GoblinEnder2070: RE: Your article http://www.pwnage.ca/?p=937 why are you insisting on KDE? Have you not considered Gnome?  I see you are considering Sabayon...its Gnome offering has everything on your checklist (except the KDE bit)Oct 04 00:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Disgruntled with Fedora | Pwnage.ca .::. Size~: 62.86 KBOct 04 00:04
Ender2070cause ALP sucksOct 04 00:04
schestowitzTHat might explain why their trolls tweet so muchOct 04 00:04
schestowitzUnemployed bulliesOct 04 00:04
Ender2070_Goblin - I'm a KDE advocateOct 04 00:04
schestowitzWHo would hire them? I mean, maybe when a war with Iran startsOct 04 00:04
schestowitzThey'll need vicious thugsOct 04 00:04
Ender2070lolOct 04 00:04
_GoblinEnder2070: fair enoughOct 04 00:04
Ender2070_Goblin - since the 4x series at least, I was a gnome user until they stopped updating the thingOct 04 00:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Season ends: #Dodgers and #Angels both end at 80 wins, 82 losses, .494 PCT. #LABaseballOct 04 00:05
_GoblinEnder2070: Sabayon KDE got a less than favorable review here: (FYI) http://dasublogbyprashanth.blogspot.com/2010/10/review-sabayon-54-kde.htmlOct 04 00:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Das U-Blog by Prashanth: Review: Sabayon 5.4 KDE .::. Size~: 68.91 KBOct 04 00:06
Ender2070I actually asked aseigo what distro he usesOct 04 00:06
Ender2070hes one of the main kde devsOct 04 00:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "...decided to stop development of the ACCESS Linux Platform [...] laid off 35% of their staff"-> That explains the rise in trolling #swpatsOct 04 00:07
schestowitzEnder2070: core maybeOct 04 00:08
schestowitzKDE SC has many partsOct 04 00:08
schestowitzPlasma is centralOct 04 00:08
Ender2070yesOct 04 00:08
schestowitzCOmpared to--say--kdenliveOct 04 00:08
Ender2070I think KDE needs its own Ubuntu type of thingOct 04 00:08
Ender2070a distro people cannot dispute is a KDE distroOct 04 00:09
Ender2070perhaps we'll see a opensuse fork, and everyone will live happily ever after?Oct 04 00:09
Ender2070lolOct 04 00:09
Ender2070like the mandriva oneOct 04 00:10
Ender2070_Goblin - that review just made me a little weary of SabayonOct 04 00:12
Ender2070no amarok or konquererOct 04 00:12
_GoblinEnder2070: I can't give my experiences because I don't use KDE, maybe he was just unlucky...Oct 04 00:20
_Goblinhe seems to report quite a unstable experience.Oct 04 00:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] When a company asks for your copyright http://ur1.ca/1ubir Sharing is good, hoarding is not so good, or rarely soOct 04 00:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: When a company asks for your copyright &mdash; Free Software Foundation &mdash; working together for free software .::. Size~: 32.95 KBOct 04 00:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Copying all or parts of a program is as natural to a programmer as breathing, and as productive. It ought to be as free."-Richard StallmanOct 04 00:30
Ender2070hes right about the software includedOct 04 00:33
Ender2070i tried changing the resolution and my task bar disappearedOct 04 00:35
Ender2070happened to him while doing something elseOct 04 00:35
Ender2070right now I want GCC 4.5 w/ LTO and KDE 4.5.1Oct 04 00:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #ACCESS (ALP) is Now Dead, Freedom Lives http://ur1.ca/1y37x #swpats !linux #accessco #troll #failOct 04 00:35
TechrightsBot-trTitle: ACCESS (ALP) is Now Dead, Freedom Lives | Techrights .::. Size~: 79.46 KBOct 04 00:35
Ender2070is this too much to ask? LOLOct 04 00:35
Ender2070kick ass royOct 04 00:36
hazzy"Your move, Microsoft."Oct 04 00:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Ubuntu 10.10 Complete Review http://ur1.ca/1y3aa 10 10 10... looking forward to it!Oct 04 00:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ubuntu 10.10 'Maverick Meerkat' Release Candidate is Available Now, Complete Review ~ Ubuntu Vibes .::. Size~: 102.53 KBOct 04 00:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ender2070/@ender2070] ACCESS (ALP) is now Dead, Freedom Lives - http://techrights.org/2010/10/03/access-linux-platform-kaput/Oct 04 00:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] !watching Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood !anime #huluOct 04 00:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Quick review: Sintel http://ur1.ca/1y3rs I loved the film, listened to closing song ~200 times ;-)Oct 04 00:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Free culture/Free software -- like life in general -- is better when expectations are lowered 2 the point where any minor improvement countsOct 04 00:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Economist.com data migration to Drupal http://drupal.org/node/915102 Even giant publishers fall for the GPL GoliathOct 04 00:54
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schestowitzvOct 04 00:54
schestowitzhttp://fridge.ubuntu.com/node/2136Oct 04 00:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Announcing the Release Candidate for Ubuntu 10.10 | The Fridge .::. Size~: 20.48 KBOct 04 00:54
schestowitzEnder2070: get ready for the launch of a new dildo shop :-oOct 04 00:54
schestowitz"We call it... the Ah! Store"Oct 04 00:55
Ender2070perhaps he'll call it twodildos.comOct 04 00:56
schestowitzhttp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/technologybrierdudleysblog/2013050703_microsoft_uses_anti-linux_tact.htmlOct 04 00:58
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Brier Dudley's Blog | Microsoft using anti-Linux tactic against Google's Android | Seattle Times Newspaper .::. Size~: 55.26 KBOct 04 00:58
schestowitzEnder2070: he can sell more than two.. the wife might buy a pairOct 04 00:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Toshiba AC100 dumps Android for Ubuntu 10.10, gets useful http://ur1.ca/1y438 Encouraging trend, less handcuffsOct 04 00:59
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schestowitzAnyway...Oct 04 00:59
schestowitzLet's not do the cheap shotOct 04 00:59
schestowitzLet's not do the cheap shotsOct 04 00:59
schestowitzHe had it coming and he got what he asked forOct 04 00:59
schestowitzI have _zero_ sympathy for himOct 04 00:59
schestowitzhttp://www.dvorak.org/blog/2010/10/01/schwarzenegger-decriminalizes-marijuana-in-california/Oct 04 01:01
TechrightsBot-trTitle:  » Schwarzenegger Decriminalizes Marijuana in California Dvorak Uncensored: General interest observations and true web-log. .::. Size~: 58.25 KBOct 04 01:01
schestowitzMisleading headlineOct 04 01:01
Ender2070you _used_ his style of talking!Oct 04 01:02
hazzyI thought it would be, otherwise it'd be all over the news hereOct 04 01:02
schestowitzThe former ACCESS troll has just tweeted something about legalising porOct 04 01:02
Ender2070lolOct 04 01:02
schestowitzThe former ACCESS troll has just tweeted something about legalising potOct 04 01:02
schestowitzHe must be highOct 04 01:02
schestowitzExplains the poor judgmentOct 04 01:02
Ender2070better watch outOct 04 01:02
Ender2070i have psychic powersOct 04 01:02
schestowitzAnd he also links to what seems like pro-weapon possession in public postsOct 04 01:02
schestowitzWhat does he think he is, Jobs?Oct 04 01:02
Ender2070he will, no doubt, insist you're labeling him a drug abuserOct 04 01:02
schestowitzWith ninja stars?Oct 04 01:03
Ender2070claiming you're slandering himOct 04 01:03
schestowitzHe can't carry ninja swords to the Apple StoreOct 04 01:03
Ender2070LOLOct 04 01:03
Ender2070just to robert anton wilson's funeralOct 04 01:03
Ender2070makes fun of me for researching conspiracies, I never went to an authors funeral who wrote about themOct 04 01:03
Ender2070anyways, look how karma worksOct 04 01:04
schestowitz"He must be high" was sarcasmOct 04 01:04
Ender2070you know himOct 04 01:04
Ender2070spin doctorOct 04 01:04
schestowitzThankfully I don'tOct 04 01:05
hazzyWe could only hope that Bill G. would get his karmaOct 04 01:05
Ender2070he'll quote you out of contextOct 04 01:05
schestowitzNo more flights to Amsterdam on ACCESS' budget, eitherOct 04 01:05
Ender2070lolOct 04 01:05
schestowitzEnder2070: if he wants to feed the IRC pages, fineOct 04 01:05
schestowitzIf he wants to quote, he needs a URLOct 04 01:06
schestowitzTHen people can see contextOct 04 01:06
Ender2070his followers don't have much of an attention spanOct 04 01:06
schestowitzWhich reminds me it's past midnightOct 04 01:06
schestowitzI'll post today's logOct 04 01:06
Ender2070sweetOct 04 01:06
Ender2070lolOct 04 01:06
Ender2070I just looked at his identica feedOct 04 01:07
Ender2070hes been trolling all day for 2 days nowOct 04 01:07
schestowitzhttp://www.tradershuddle.com/Trading-Ideas/9279710012010-redhat-near-resistancet.htmlOct 04 01:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] I think "friends" not useful concept online. You share some interest ..., but are much more. We need more focused concepts. #socialnetworkOct 04 01:07
schestowitzFedora is hiringOct 04 01:07
schestowitzEnder2070: with the mobbyistsOct 04 01:07
schestowitzHe found common ground with Microsoft mobbyistsOct 04 01:07
schestowitzHe has no idea how bad that looksOct 04 01:08
Ender2070which mobbyists?Oct 04 01:08
Ender2070you should add them to a list somewhereOct 04 01:08
Ender2070like their #boycottboysOct 04 01:08
Ender2070#mobbyistsOct 04 01:08
Ender2070:DOct 04 01:08
Ender2070Fedora is hiring? lol i dont think I can deal with them anymoreOct 04 01:09
schestowitzmobbyists=Micrsoft FLrian, ACT, etc.Oct 04 01:09
schestowitzMicrosoft infiltrat0rsOct 04 01:09
Ender2070florian needs a better nicknameOct 04 01:10
schestowitzMicrosoft Florian is polite enoughOct 04 01:10
Ender2070Florian7 ?Oct 04 01:10
schestowitzSOmeone in IRC calls his poptato headOct 04 01:10
schestowitzMicrosoft Floria is more decriptiveOct 04 01:10
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schestowitzSo there is no confusing to newcomersOct 04 01:10
schestowitzLike Microoft NickOct 04 01:11
Ender2070MS Florian 7Oct 04 01:11
schestowitzOr Marey Jo MicrosoftOct 04 01:11
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Ender2070Microsoft Florian Shill EditionOct 04 01:11
Ender2070lolOct 04 01:11
schestowitzI only recently started referring to her like this because she NEVER criticises Microsoft anymore and the name is not insultingOct 04 01:11
schestowitzIf someone called me Linux Roy, I'd be flatteredOct 04 01:11
schestowitzThey love MicrosoftOct 04 01:11
Ender2070lolOct 04 01:11
schestowitzMicrosoft Nick should be honour to themOct 04 01:12
schestowitzThey are 'the' NickOct 04 01:12
schestowitzBut it also reflects on what they really do as 'journalists'Oct 04 01:12
schestowitzBoosters of one single companyOct 04 01:12
schestowitzNot ideaOct 04 01:12
schestowitzCompanyOct 04 01:12
schestowitzBrandOct 04 01:12
schestowitzCEOOct 04 01:12
schestowitzTicker symbolOct 04 01:12
schestowitzWasting their livesOct 04 01:12
schestowitzScraping dollars from blog posts while Ballmer rakes in billions from their shillingOct 04 01:13
schestowitz"Useful Idiots"Oct 04 01:13
schestowitzWhen Microsoft is sold/bankrupt they'll look backOct 04 01:13
schestowitzAnd feel like people today with SUN certificates (and soon NCE)Oct 04 01:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] You know you've got a difficult deadline when you begin worrying that !coffee shops in your neighborhood won't open early enough tomorrow.Oct 04 01:14
schestowitzIdeas don't dieOct 04 01:14
schestowitzCompanies always die sooner or laterOct 04 01:14
schestowitzWhat will the CV say?Oct 04 01:14
schestowitz"Oh, I see you worked at something call DEC.... what's that?'Oct 04 01:14
Ender2070im glad people realize hes a professional troll (cpt dildo)Oct 04 01:15
Ender2070im checking some threads right now he was bullying people inOct 04 01:15
Ender2070he even tried bating meOct 04 01:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Why is it that trolls cannot stop trolling even when ignored for a year? [yes, I'm talking to you, dildo shop expert]Oct 04 01:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] People/journalists who promote companies will regret it. All companies die eventually. Principles survive always, brands do not. CVs age.Oct 04 01:19
schestowitzI don't think bkuhn is (self) aware of the fact that he comes across as somewhat of the arrogant NYC types.Oct 04 01:21
schestowitzRMS is a lot friendlierOct 04 01:21
Ender2070yesOct 04 01:21
schestowitzIIRC RMS grew up in NYCOct 04 01:22
schestowitzRMS replies to anyoneOct 04 01:22
schestowitzHe does not have just a small group of contactsOct 04 01:23
schestowitzLike a classroom's snobOct 04 01:23
schestowitzThat's what's good about RMSOct 04 01:23
schestowitzHE also travels to some shattered countriesOct 04 01:23
schestowitzAnd his political journal shows thisOct 04 01:23
schestowitzFunny enough he's painted "radical" for itOct 04 01:24
schestowitzConformity to the norm has the "status anxiety" gameOct 04 01:24
schestowitzWhere people are excessively conscious of what people say or think about them, so they act not on instinctsOct 04 01:24
*schestowitz thinks of analogies where the rich man won't pick up a poor man travelling in the rain on a freeway... for fear of being associated with "those dirty people"Oct 04 01:25
schestowitzRMS tavels coach, you know? He's still very odest. There are people who play the rat race, trying to accumulate monet at the expense of happiness/health to climb up a status ladder until they drop deadOct 04 01:26
hazzyYeah, I don't understand thatOct 04 01:27
hazzyGenerosity > WealthOct 04 01:27
schestowitzI told my brother today not to work for Intel cause they are criminalsOct 04 01:28
schestowitzAnd then I saw reactions of other peopleOct 04 01:28
schestowitzTo them, it's absurd to not just take what pays the mostOct 04 01:28
schestowitzLike some kind or robot/algorithmOct 04 01:28
schestowitzJust gravitating towards the blob with mosts electric chargeOct 04 01:28
schestowitzI think it's part of the indocrinationOct 04 01:31
schestowitzWe are told to be consumersOct 04 01:31
schestowitzTO rank people by their wageOct 04 01:31
schestowitzAltenatively, by # of cars/housesOct 04 01:31
schestowitzWhich are physical embodiment of the former thing (needs to see bank statements and such)Oct 04 01:31
schestowitzAnd people's value to society is weighted wrongly by their wageOct 04 01:31
schestowitzEven if they get paid to do something detrimetal like building bomb partsOct 04 01:32
schestowitzSo RMS is right in his attempts to use FS to impat philosphyOct 04 01:32
schestowitzGNU.org has a lot on philosophyOct 04 01:32
schestowitzRespecting people for their codeOct 04 01:32
schestowitzNot the fancy 2.0 design of their project codeOct 04 01:33
schestowitzLike those 30-page Web sites of "enterprise'd" open source projectsOct 04 01:33
schestowitzWith pictures and shiny objectsOct 04 01:33
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schestowitzBut the indoctrination starts earlyOct 04 01:33
schestowitzSo the likes of the FSF compete and race against a multi-trillio-dollar industry of brainwashOct 04 01:34
hazzyWell, I must sayOct 04 01:35
hazzyThe FSF has done quite well considering thatOct 04 01:35
Ender2070yesOct 04 01:35
Ender2070the multi-trillio-dollar industry of brainwashOct 04 01:35
schestowitzUntil then, people's peers will evaluate things superficially, like consumers with an overdose of antidepressants (as they can't understand why accumulation of objects won't make them happy as promised)Oct 04 01:35
Ender2070good way of putting itOct 04 01:35
schestowitzThose who challenge the status quo get staresOct 04 01:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] UPDATE: One final update to article regarding the latest ddos attacks http://tinyurl.com/36c7rj7 !tpb !piracy !bittorrentOct 04 01:35
schestowitzAnd that's OKOct 04 01:35
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schestowitzIt means he system worksOct 04 01:35
schestowitzTHey are _Supposed_ to get itOct 04 01:35
schestowitzAn effective system uses peer pressure to preserve itselfOct 04 01:36
schestowitzLike religionsOct 04 01:36
schestowitzTHose who don't do it, dieOct 04 01:36
schestowitzReligions evolve fast if they make many offsprings to indoctrinate (and maybe blot down with apostasy)Oct 04 01:36
schestowitzThose who disobey get retaliationOct 04 01:37
schestowitzIn the 'industry' it's hard to disobey cause people are numbersOct 04 01:37
schestowitzIt's better in academiaOct 04 01:37
Ender2070the people who designed this system weren't fucking around and it showsOct 04 01:37
schestowitzThe same reaction you don't get from a professors when you say you don't care about pay gradeOct 04 01:37
schestowitzThey get recognition from papers and studentsOct 04 01:38
Ender2070we already have 1984 tooOct 04 01:38
schestowitzConsumerism culture is almost 100 years oldOct 04 01:38
schestowitzNearly thereOct 04 01:38
Ender2070I think we are thereOct 04 01:39
schestowitzyou'll enjoy this programme: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dA89CBBOC0Oct 04 01:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle:     YouTube        - The Century Of The Self - Happiness Machines 1 of 6   .::. Size~: 121.38 KBOct 04 01:39
Ender2070whats missing from the book 1984 that we dont have?Oct 04 01:39
Ender2070some elements are just watered down slightly but its all thereOct 04 01:40
Ender2070our television sets don't watch us, but our computers doOct 04 01:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Right, thats me done for the night.....Oct 04 01:42
Ender20701984 wishes it had facial recognition in public places from CCTVOct 04 01:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] @bkuhn hm, I wouldn't say I've said that, but I obviously need to be a little gentler with my criticism.Oct 04 01:47
schestowitzThis is the following episodeOct 04 01:50
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzE9ocIGVlQ&feature=relatedOct 04 01:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle:     YouTube        - The Century Of The Self - There is a Policeman Inside_1 of 6   .::. Size~: 122 KBOct 04 01:50
schestowitzYou need to watch them both, it's educational and enjoyable to go through... shows how evil the PR industry really is... on the BBC evenOct 04 01:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxkernel/@linuxkernel] Linux kernel next-20101004 has been released - http://is.gd/eq2yj #linux #kernelOct 04 01:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] One of My Favourite Documentaries: BBC Dissecting the True Evils of PR http://ur1.ca/1y68x #pr #marketing #deceptionOct 04 02:04
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Ender2070in high school media studies they showed us the hidden sex objects hidden in common run of the mill adsOct 04 02:04
Ender2070we had one assignment where we had to cut 10 of them out of a magazine we had at homeOct 04 02:04
Ender2070wasn't hardOct 04 02:04
Ender2070they are everywhereOct 04 02:05
Ender2070from the troll: @ender2070 How nice of you to cheer over open source engineers losing thier jobsOct 04 02:06
Ender2070oh you got one tooOct 04 02:07
Ender2070oh yeah that documentary, I was told to watch it by Alan Watt afaikOct 04 02:08
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Ender2070hey chips_b_malroyOct 04 02:09
Ender2070guess what?Oct 04 02:10
Chips_B_MalroyHi Roy, you still up?  Hi EnderOct 04 02:10
Ender2070guess whos holding up a sign at the side of the road which says "will troll open source advocates for food" ?Oct 04 02:10
schestowitzHeyOct 04 02:10
Chips_B_MalroyEnder> I am reading the "ACCESS (ALP) is Now Dead, Freedom Lives"Oct 04 02:10
Chips_B_Malroybut no link to source?Oct 04 02:11
Ender2070:)Oct 04 02:11
schestowitzEnder2070: Microsoft is not hiringOct 04 02:11
Ender2070we dont want to link his blogOct 04 02:11
Chips_B_Malroyis lumpy gone?Oct 04 02:11
Ender2070yeahOct 04 02:11
schestowitzThey will soon announce more layoffs apparentlyOct 04 02:11
Ender2070it was on lumpys blogOct 04 02:11
schestowitzMaybe they'll hire trolls... but not in 'expensive' countriesOct 04 02:11
Chips_B_Malroyoh, okOct 04 02:11
*schestowitz watches http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eBQ0rlKrVvk&feature=relatedOct 04 02:12
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schestowitzIt's good enough to be watched again after a yearOct 04 02:12
schestowitzOr listened toOct 04 02:12
Chips_B_MalroySo that means his trollness could homeless and his replacement could be from Jamacia?Oct 04 02:12
schestowitzHehOct 04 02:12
schestowitzMr DeeOct 04 02:12
schestowitz:-)Oct 04 02:12
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schestowitzD for droeOct 04 02:13
schestowitzD for droneOct 04 02:13
schestowitzM[ic]r[osoft] D[rone]Oct 04 02:13
Chips_B_MalroyWell, I actually prefer MR Dee/Lucy Buntu to his access trollnessOct 04 02:14
Chips_B_Malroyif I had to decide between the twoOct 04 02:14
Chips_B_Malroyat least with Costa his might have a finacial reason to do soOct 04 02:14
Chips_B_Malroyits a poor countryOct 04 02:15
Chips_B_MalroySo layoffs and maybe more layoffs?Oct 04 02:16
Chips_B_MalroyMS have alread done that, and probably will again soon many timesOct 04 02:16
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hazzyhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/meet-blackberry-playbook-a-tablet-pc-from-rim/39697Oct 04 02:16
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hazzyhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/btl/blackberry-enlists-html5-and-open-source-to-jumpstart-apps-platform/39706?tag=mantle_skin;contentOct 04 02:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BlackBerry enlists HTML5 and open source to jumpstart apps platform | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 109.07 KBOct 04 02:17
schestowitzhttp://mybroadband.co.za/news/internet/15547-Opera-still-wont-support-H264-video.htmlOct 04 02:17
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schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: "reorg"Oct 04 02:18
schestowitzThey use PR tactics to dent itOct 04 02:18
schestowitzOr say they "bought" 15 companiesOct 04 02:19
schestowitzGot any names yet?Oct 04 02:19
Chips_B_MalroyAt some point Access troll could not sping it as they doing great when layoffs comeOct 04 02:19
schestowitzMicrosoft said it bought 15Oct 04 02:19
schestowitzname just 1Oct 04 02:19
hazzyHaha, "ACCESS = ASSLESS"Oct 04 02:20
Chips_B_Malroythey built two (rented actually) retail stores!  Does that count?  OK, maynot not they did not buy anything.Oct 04 02:20
Ender2070http://identi.ca/notice/53909816Oct 04 02:22
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Chips_B_MalroyIf WP7 is the big failure that it is suspected to be, there will likely be some big changes to MS.  Expect more bigger layoffs for one thing.Oct 04 02:22
Ender2070lolOct 04 02:22
Chips_B_Malroyreading your link.  He justs has to spin everythingOct 04 02:23
Chips_B_Malroyhopefully the good ones can get jobs at GoogleOct 04 02:24
Chips_B_MalroyIts clear that Access is dieing and is without a productOct 04 02:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] lol! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7e9vnwTjJA&NR=1 #fbOct 04 02:25
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Chips_B_Malroyat least for smartphones, maybe they still have some traction in dumbphonesOct 04 02:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 20 Really Awesome !Linux Desktop Customization Screenshots http://ur1.ca/1y6vm the platform without a uniform lookOct 04 02:27
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schestowitzHow to Install and Run Silverlight in Linux http://maketecheasier.com/install-and-run-silverlight-in-linux/2010/10/02Oct 04 02:28
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schestowitzBad new headlineOct 04 02:28
schestowitzACCESS was not open sourceOct 04 02:30
schestowitzit was fauxpenOct 04 02:30
Chips_B_Malroyonly the kernel maybeOct 04 02:30
schestowitzyeahOct 04 02:30
schestowitzThey don't do much thereOct 04 02:30
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Chips_B_Malroypossibility whatever they ripped off from Gnome as wellOct 04 02:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Asteroids on any webpage, straight from a bookmarklet. Bored? Just kill those tags... http://erkie.github.com/Oct 04 02:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] To clarity, picking something like !Linux and putting proprietary stuff on top is not being open source, not more than Apple is with !BSDOct 04 02:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] List of all Top Popular Linux distributions http://ur1.ca/1y741 So many choices, it's like trip in the candy storeOct 04 02:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Love watching #YouTube videos in #Totem movie player!Oct 04 02:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Twitter wants me to follow Miguel de Icaza... ON YOUR DREAMS, BOZO!Oct 04 02:45
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/#!/espacoliberdade/status/26321331657Oct 04 02:46
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schestowitzThey agreeOct 04 02:46
schestowitzChopra's minions/quacks are still messaging me...Oct 04 02:47
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/#!/IAMSpirituality/status/26318782076Oct 04 02:47
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schestowitz"Cellular level consciousness means intelligence, an ability to make decisions, and an ability to communicate outside itself."Oct 04 02:47
schestowitzWAIT What????Oct 04 02:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] @schestowitz true, that's why I don't call my choice of distro Linux as it does have propietary blob on top! :)Oct 04 02:47
schestowitzMy reponses page is flooded by the mobberOct 04 02:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @mohanpram good point.Oct 04 02:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @schestowitz 20 Really Awesome !Linux Desktop Customization Screenshots http://ur1.ca/1y6vm the platform without a uniform lookOct 04 02:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Great opening ceremony of the commonwealth games in new delhi. Well done. #fbOct 04 03:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] @pookito is that any good? I really couldn't get into the first episodeOct 04 03:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @schestowitz The Economist.com data migration to Drupal http://drupal.org/node/915102 Even giant publishers fall for the GPL GoliathOct 04 03:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Science Blogging http://ur1.ca/1y83i I may return to writing in 4 blogs. I can't commit to it yet, must balance.Oct 04 03:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] @pookito: yeah it's good movie, I liked it a lotOct 04 03:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Megatouch !linux game machines in Saigon http://ur1.ca/1y89n Turned out the entire system was running Linux.Oct 04 03:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Nightly GIMP, GEGL, babl tarball builds http://ur1.ca/1y8ba #GIMP 2.6.1 http://ur1.ca/1y8bbOct 04 03:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Leaving #CrunchBang http://ur1.ca/1y8cj !Linux for #Lubuntu "Overall it works great"Oct 04 03:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] LGP Downtime http://ur1.ca/1y8gl "it is going to take a while to sort out this mess." #DRM #games #gaming #lgp !gnu !linuxOct 04 03:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Review: #Sabayon 5.4 !KDE http://ur1.ca/1y8lz I hear from a friend it's a wonderful releaseOct 04 03:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] Writing another post about .la files and !gentoo ... and yet I'm "not doing enough" ... why do I keep doing this?Oct 04 03:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 3/10/2010: Economist.com on Drupal, #GIMP 2.6.11 http://techrights.org/2010/10/03/economist-dot-com-on-drupal/Oct 04 04:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Chance favours the connected mind! How true! http://www.ted.com/talks/steven_johnson_where_good_ideas_come_from.html #fbOct 04 04:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] hmm. google street view eh? http://ur1.ca/1y9dk #fbOct 04 04:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] RT @lnxwalt280 @mohanpram 6 or 7 years ago, Apple Valley got above 110F for several days. It was horrible. But I had never experienced h ...Oct 04 04:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @greve Time to head to Paris. Tomorrow: IRILL Libre Days http://is.gd/fIkKK to talk about aspects & obstacles http://is.gd/eYNCfOct 04 04:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Looks like another successful dist update !ubuntuOct 04 04:44
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schestowitzhttp://lizards.opensuse.org/2010/09/17/free-beer-for-free-people/Oct 04 04:47
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schestowitzmorning, MadRobotOct 04 04:47
schestowitzSalamOct 04 04:47
qu1j0t3schestowitz: morningOct 04 04:47
MadRobotschestowitz, Salam. morning.Oct 04 04:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] Saving a draft of the post, too tired to continue, it's almost 6am.Oct 04 04:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] All pages in opensuse.org say "© 2010 Novell, Inc. All rights reserved. Novell is a registered trademark and openSUSE and SUSE are tradem.."Oct 04 04:54
sebsebsebschestowitz: right and Ubuntu belongs to Canonical reallyOct 04 04:55
sebsebseband Fedora belongs to Redhat reallyOct 04 04:55
schestowitzYesOct 04 04:55
schestowitzBUT...Oct 04 04:55
schestowitzUbuntu has no OpenUbuntuOct 04 04:55
sebsebsebhowever the code is open source, so forks can be made :DOct 04 04:55
schestowitzIn Novell thid division is a tad illusionaryOct 04 04:56
schestowitzRed Hat also does some T.M. aggressionOct 04 04:56
schestowitzLike chasing over logo misuseOct 04 04:56
schestowitzUbuntu does T.M. chilling tooOct 04 04:56
schestowitzRenaming derivatives with "buntu" in themOct 04 04:56
sebsebsebT.M. chilling?Oct 04 04:56
schestowitzLike Canonical made up the word "Ubuntu"Oct 04 04:56
schestowitzsebsebseb: like scaring people who say "ubuntu"Oct 04 04:57
schestowitzOr use that Fedora designOct 04 04:57
schestowitzI don't think it's necessaryOct 04 04:57
schestowitzCanonical wants to control the brandOct 04 04:57
sebsebsebSupport community distros :)  true community distrosOct 04 04:57
schestowitzi.e. not be associated with eeebuntu if it sucksOct 04 04:57
schestowitzBut it could just let it beOct 04 04:57
schestowitzIt might ever help CanonicalOct 04 04:57
schestowitzBut spreading the nyms furtherOct 04 04:58
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schestowitzRed Hat has 'pros' dedicted just to the whole identity/marketing/TM thing..Oct 04 04:58
schestowitzNot good IMHOOct 04 04:58
sebsebsebif we want to be sure that a distro is still around and probably not messed up in a few years or so, probably best to support a true community distro with a non profit behind it, but Fedora is an exception to that reallyOct 04 04:58
schestowitzAssimilated to the companies they seek to replaceOct 04 04:58
schestowitzRed Hat also says "IP"Oct 04 04:59
schestowitzAnd that's badOct 04 04:59
schestowitzNovell does too, but it's proprietaryOct 04 04:59
schestowitzNot sure if Canonical does tooOct 04 04:59
sebsebsebschestowitz: well theres one thing for sure, and that is, that we shoudn't trust companies fully, be they tech companies or something elseOct 04 05:00
sebsebsebthey might start doing bad things,  plus  they may disappear all of a sudden as well, becuase of money issues and what notOct 04 05:01
sebsebsebso yeahOct 04 05:01
sebsebseband Linux distros should probably really be from non profits, since its meant to be about sharing :)Oct 04 05:01
qu1j0t3maybe MageiaOct 04 05:03
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sebsebsebqu1j0t3: oh yes,  I expect Mageia will be a pretty good distro :)Oct 04 05:04
qu1j0t3is Mageia a reaction to disillusionment with Ubuntu or Canonical?Oct 04 05:04
qu1j0t3(or Fedora)Oct 04 05:04
schestowitzqu1j0t3: http://www.bryen.com/so-what-is-a-general-strike-supposed-to-do/Oct 04 05:04
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schestowitzI'll spare you my response to it :-)Oct 04 05:04
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: Mageia will exist, because of  Mandriva company problemsOct 04 05:05
qu1j0t3schestowitz: what a coincidence, i was just here: http://wingolog.org/archives/2010/09/28/cap-a-la-vaga-generalOct 04 05:05
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schestowitz[it's from a SUSE board member]Oct 04 05:05
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: It will also hopefuly give Ubuntu some nice proper competition :)  competiton = inovationOct 04 05:05
schestowitzsebsebseb: post Mageia links hereOct 04 05:06
schestowitzNewsOct 04 05:06
schestowitzcause you're their UK repOct 04 05:06
qu1j0t3schestowitz: ugh, i don't expect much from this.Oct 04 05:06
qu1j0t3"people are now working towards 70 as their personally-chosen retirement age."Oct 04 05:06
qu1j0t3^^ written like a true 30-something.Oct 04 05:06
schestowitzAnd we need to give it exposure. I pick up links from IRCOct 04 05:06
sebsebsebschestowitz: well sure, but there isn't really that much going on at the moment, as far as I know,  however they seem to be expecting an alpha or beta in November :)Oct 04 05:06
qu1j0t3i won't give the rest of this posting any more attention.Oct 04 05:06
schestowitz"Those damn protesters!"Oct 04 05:07
schestowitz"where's me [sic] mocha?"Oct 04 05:07
qu1j0t3schestowitz: yes. did you hear George Galloway was finally admitted to Canada, but the media continues to refer to him as "activist"Oct 04 05:07
schestowitzMPOct 04 05:07
qu1j0t3I guess the lawyers finally hit the fascists with some sense.Oct 04 05:07
schestowitzMaster PuppetOct 04 05:08
schestowitzA few hundreds of muppets run things from Westminster as long as the banking sector and her Majesty approveOct 04 05:08
qu1j0t3schestowitz: does that dickhead really think 70 is a reasonable retirement age, or that anyone in the USA is voluntarily working until they're 70?Oct 04 05:09
qu1j0t3schestowitz: i lack wordsOct 04 05:09
schestowitzThey even have their HE nearbyOct 04 05:09
qu1j0t3schestowitz: the stupidity of these ppl is exponentialOct 04 05:09
schestowitzSo that the royals can smack the likes of George for stepping out of lineOct 04 05:09
sebsebsebschestowitz: I might start using identica soonish as wellOct 04 05:09
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schestowitzTHAT ACTIVIST!!Oct 04 05:09
sebsebsebschestowitz: now that I will have more of a role in the open source community / Linux community :)Oct 04 05:09
schestowitzThey need to find a way to make sure he cannot be elected next time aroundOct 04 05:10
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: yeah it seems to be the github of microblogging (get an account there too, if you code)Oct 04 05:10
schestowitz[05:09] <sebsebseb> schestowitz: I might start using identica soonish as wellOct 04 05:10
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: no I don't codeOct 04 05:10
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: github being the flickr of open src coders, apparentlyOct 04 05:10
schestowitzOpen account nowOct 04 05:10
schestowitzI'll add it now, you can run it laterOct 04 05:10
sebsebsebschestowitz: nah not tonight, just like I am not replying to the mailing list tonight eitherOct 04 05:10
schestowitzit takes 2 minuteOct 04 05:11
schestowitz*tesOct 04 05:11
qu1j0t3heheOct 04 05:11
qu1j0t3schestowitz: you're not a procrastinator, are you?Oct 04 05:11
*schestowitz goes to identi.ca to add " sebsebseb "Oct 04 05:11
schestowitzqu1j0t3: hardly everOct 04 05:11
qu1j0t3schestowitz: you're one of those darn Highly Effective People, aren't you ;-)Oct 04 05:11
schestowitzWhen I did my coursework in CS I did a whole semester's work in weeksOct 04 05:12
*qu1j0t3 blows a raspberry at Highly Effective RoyOct 04 05:12
schestowitzlab work I meanOct 04 05:12
sebsebsebschestowitz: well I signed up for a @jabber.org earlier,  that it said can be used  with identica, but I don't know what I will be using with it yetOct 04 05:12
qu1j0t3schestowitz: you did CS degree? or subjects?Oct 04 05:12
schestowitzsebsebseb: no, open at identicaOct 04 05:12
sebsebsebschestowitz: yes thats what I thoughtOct 04 05:12
sebsebsebsign up on thereOct 04 05:12
schestowitzqu1j0t3: softare eng (CS) with honoursOct 04 05:12
schestowitzGot 1st class (92nd percentile)Oct 04 05:13
sebsebsebanyway I like shareing links and such, so makes sense to do that on identica reallyOct 04 05:13
*schestowitz waits for sebsebsebOct 04 05:13
schestowitzsebsebseb: it appears here tooOct 04 05:13
schestowitzSame thingOct 04 05:13
sebsebsebwhen you tell it to, it does yesOct 04 05:13
sebsebseband I talked about this beforeOct 04 05:13
schestowitzYou don't tell it toOct 04 05:13
sebsebsebhow like others were doing it, but I wasn't, and I was like missing out on  something as a reusltOct 04 05:14
schestowitzI just add you on the script (PHP)Oct 04 05:14
sebsebsebwhat script?Oct 04 05:14
qu1j0t3schestowitz: wow, congratulationsOct 04 05:14
sebsebsebor script hwere?Oct 04 05:14
qu1j0t3schestowitz: what do you think of this posting? http://twitter.com/davewiner/status/26267026962Oct 04 05:14
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schestowitzWiner--I don't likeOct 04 05:14
sebsebsebschestowitz: anwyway if I am correct indentica is basically the geek version of Twiter?Oct 04 05:14
qu1j0t3schestowitz: i stopped reading him long ago, but skim it?Oct 04 05:14
schestowitzClose to Microsoft, Scoble, and that bunch...Oct 04 05:14
qu1j0t3schestowitz: Winer's irrritating i agree.Oct 04 05:14
sebsebsebShould I bother getting a Twitter as well maybe? or not much point?Oct 04 05:15
qu1j0t3yes. I read his stuff VERY rarely.Oct 04 05:15
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: get it to hold it, but don't use it, it's bad for syndication hereOct 04 05:15
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: i'm kinda entrenched there, can't break out /Oct 04 05:15
schestowitzhttp://scripting.com/stories/2010/10/03/letsDoMoreComputerScience.htmlOct 04 05:15
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schestowitzsebsebseb: yesOct 04 05:15
schestowitzHave your twitter account connected to the identica oneOct 04 05:15
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: you def'n want to reserve your name there.Oct 04 05:16
schestowitzIt's just a box you tickOct 04 05:16
sebsebsebright so get a Twitter as welll, even though I probably won't really use it?Oct 04 05:16
qu1j0t3riteOct 04 05:16
schestowitzqu1j0t3: by posting via identica you'll get your stuff indexed here tooOct 04 05:16
qu1j0t3schestowitz: I know :/Oct 04 05:16
*sebsebseb hardly uses Facebook :) and won't just add anyone to that eitherOct 04 05:16
*qu1j0t3 doesn't have FbOct 04 05:16
sebsebseband Myspace I haven't been logged into for quite a while nowOct 04 05:16
sebsebsebin fact my page on there could do with a bit of an update,  but people don't normally go on that anywayOct 04 05:17
schestowitzTRmanco is why I started m-bloggingOct 04 05:17
schestowitzHe pushed me to join identi.caOct 04 05:17
schestowitzSoon afterwards I also joined TwitterOct 04 05:17
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sebsebsebschestowitz: I know why I am not sleeping right now, but what about you?Oct 04 05:18
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/sesebsebOct 04 05:18
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sebsebsebschestowitz: uhmmOct 04 05:18
sebsebsebschestowitz: i'll sign up later like I was sayingOct 04 05:18
schestowitzsebsebseb: I've slept little latelyOct 04 05:18
sebsebsebwhy?Oct 04 05:19
schestowitz4 yesterday, 4 days before, 3 before thatOct 04 05:19
sebsebsebhours you mean?Oct 04 05:19
schestowitzsebsebseb: coffee >:)Oct 04 05:19
qu1j0t3w00tOct 04 05:19
qu1j0t3schestowitz: that's me in TEN HOURS.Oct 04 05:19
*qu1j0t3 is just about ready to zzzOct 04 05:19
sebsebsebI have messed up sleeping that I want to change some how, won't be that easy. so its like go sleep soon for a bit or so, or have a pretty long day or try to hmmOct 04 05:19
schestowitzsebsebseb: what's taking so long? http://identi.ca/sebsebsebOct 04 05:20
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schestowitzFix this page already !!Oct 04 05:20
schestowitzIt's brokenOct 04 05:20
schestowitzYou need to fix it fastOct 04 05:20
schestowitz60 seconds left, McGyverOct 04 05:20
sebsebsebschestowitz: heh heh @ you trying to jokeinly force me to sign up :DOct 04 05:20
schestowitz50Oct 04 05:20
schestowitzDo it nowOct 04 05:21
schestowitzOr the Soviet launch 40 nuclear missiles into Lunar orbitOct 04 05:21
schestowitz30Oct 04 05:21
sebsebsebnot right now and back in a bitOct 04 05:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Ah looks like I can sleep tonight with the fan blasting!Oct 04 05:22
schestowitz10Oct 04 05:22
schestowitzdo it now, or else... http://i102.photobucket.com/albums/m89/carlsghost/dog-gun.jpgOct 04 05:22
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schestowitz"Since you claim not to be ignorant of the relevant law and history why are you trolling me about it (and adding a hyphen to FSFE)?" http://identi.ca/notice/53884233Oct 04 05:24
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schestowitzOh deadOct 04 05:24
schestowitzThe troll is busyOct 04 05:24
qu1j0t35Oct 04 05:26
qu1j0t34Oct 04 05:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Laid off #mobbyists find new ways to troll Free software communities. "He's a liar and a professional troll, block him." http://ur1.ca/1ya54Oct 04 05:27
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schestowitzWTH? http://identi.ca/chavezcandangaOct 04 05:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Android in the cross-hairs: if you can't compete with it, litigate it http://ur1.ca/1ya6yOct 04 05:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] @pookito: From ubuntu10.04 for 10.10 RCOct 04 05:37
schestowitzhttp://fridrich.blogspot.com/2010/09/gnu-make-382.htmlOct 04 05:37
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twitterfinally caught up.Oct 04 05:38
twitterI don't do twitter.  They probably would not give me my name.Oct 04 05:38
twitterI think the freedom box has potential.Oct 04 05:39
twitterperhaps diaspora tooOct 04 05:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !linuxlibre 2.6.32.23-libre1-lemote and 2.6.32.24-libre1-lemote for !gnewsense mipsel !yeeloong now availableOct 04 05:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @mohanpram Android in the cross-hairs: if you can't compete with it, litigate it http://ur1.ca/1ya6y // @horaciog can't compete like menOct 04 05:40
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twitterI like PJ's take on Forbes' new paid blog space.Oct 04 05:43
twitter[PJ: Blech. No wonder people read blogs instead of traditional media. Not that I'd mind, after its offensive coverage of Linux and of blogs, ironically enough, if Forbes went the way of the dodo bird.]Oct 04 05:44
twitterIt is funny to see all of the traditional publishers doing blogs after maligning them and the web itself for so longOct 04 05:44
schestowitz[05:39] <twitter> I think the freedom box has potential.Oct 04 05:47
schestowitzEben's suggestion?Oct 04 05:47
schestowitzI don't think builind a DB with boolean relationship between people is neededOct 04 05:47
schestowitzSounds more like DigitalMcCarthy.execute();Oct 04 05:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] RT @spikeb !ubuntu devs managed to pull off getting unity ready in a single cycle without the rest going to crap. well done.Oct 04 05:49
schestowitztwitter: yes, they need higher pace at ForbesOct 04 05:49
schestowitzLike Reuters...Oct 04 05:49
schestowitzAP has no blogs yetOct 04 05:49
schestowitzAP uses intimidation against blogOct 04 05:49
Chips_B_MalroyYou up late RoyOct 04 05:49
schestowitzAlthough it took a quieter attitude as of laterOct 04 05:49
schestowitz*lateOct 04 05:49
twitterha, how timely  http://news.slashdot.org/story/10/10/03/0251221/Twitter-To-Start-Selling-Followers?from=rssOct 04 05:49
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schestowitzThey made bloggers dislike APOct 04 05:49
schestowitzI associate AP with copyright bullyingOct 04 05:49
schestowitzSo I avoid them when I canOct 04 05:49
Chips_B_MalroyI have one interesting link for youOct 04 05:50
twitterI associate AP with poor reporting.Oct 04 05:50
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.daemonnews.org/2010/09/28/a-view-from-inside-microsofts-company-meeting.htmlOct 04 05:50
schestowitztwitter: they can'tTOct 04 05:50
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schestowitzTHey can sell numbersOct 04 05:50
schestowitzFollowers are real peopleOct 04 05:50
Chips_B_Malroy"In the interview, Ballmer noted that he checks Facebook every day, reflected on the lessons learned from the ill-fated Kin, and was asked whether the company was done laying off workers."Oct 04 05:50
schestowitzNot everyone who is a "follower" actually follows one's stuffOct 04 05:50
twitterreal people are sold all the time.Oct 04 05:50
Chips_B_Malroy''Layoffs' is a very specific word,' Ballmer told the paper. 'Are we always trimming and remapping? We're always moving people around. We try something, a project doesn't quite work, we'll cut that team, we tell people find a job someplace else in the company. We're going to continue to do that sort of thing.'Oct 04 05:51
twitterEllie K writes "While not quite as bad as it sounds, Twitter will soon be identifying followers with certain interests based on the content of their Twitter usage, and then providing this info to advertisers. Twitter is already selling sponsored Tweets for $100K or more. These reader comments captured the disquieting feeling I have: 'Twitter selling followers? Will that be the same as Google selling top position in SERP?' and 'I wonder whOct 04 05:51
twittersounds bad to meOct 04 05:51
schestowitzYuckOct 04 05:51
twitterspam incomingOct 04 05:51
schestowitzI post rpicipally in identi.caOct 04 05:51
schestowitzThey too stated a premiums planOct 04 05:52
schestowitzFor businessOct 04 05:52
schestowitzWith VC funds behind statusnetOct 04 05:52
schestowitzSJVN was posting some junkOct 04 05:52
schestowitzTo some Dell blogOct 04 05:52
schestowitzCause they pay writersOct 04 05:52
schestowitzI asked him about itOct 04 05:52
schestowitzCause it fell like reading sponsored stuffOct 04 05:52
schestowitzANd he told me it worked well for writersOct 04 05:53
twitterYes, I saw that statement.  "we tell people find a job someplace else in the company [like India?]. We're going to continue to do that sort of thing."Oct 04 05:53
schestowitzHe told me the same type of thing in 2007 when i asked him why all his ziff davis article had MS ads everywhereOct 04 05:53
schestowitz*articlesOct 04 05:53
schestowitztwitter: you beat me to itOct 04 05:53
schestowitzI was gonna say the sameOct 04 05:53
twitterI read it a few days ago and had time to think of it.Oct 04 05:54
twitterIck, Dell.Oct 04 05:54
twitterI got some dead tree spam from them today.  Almost every page, including the Android Streak page had, "Dell Recommends Windows 7"Oct 04 05:55
Chips_B_MalroyIt sounds to me that the message Ballmer delivered to the troops was false, except for the cuts will keep coming.  There will not be a lot of jobs for employees to move to if everything is being cut.Oct 04 05:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] It seems like Microsoft plans to announce layoffs, then move the jobs to poorer countries http://ur1.ca/1yabfOct 04 05:55
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twitterThey have been moving the jobs to poorer countries as they bump up against H1B limits.Oct 04 05:56
Chips_B_Malroyyes, but I expect that they also have shrunk tooOct 04 05:57
twitterTheir market share is shrinking, that's for sure.Oct 04 05:57
twitterEven their boosters admit that, though they lie about the magnitude and reasons.Oct 04 05:58
Chips_B_Malroyyes, that is why they only try to use USA statsOct 04 05:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz typical...Oct 04 05:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "...the message Ballmer delivered to the troops was false, except for the cuts will keep coming.[..] if everything is being cut." --MalroyOct 04 05:59
schestowitzhttp://sontek.net/Windows-Hater?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+sontek+%28John+Anderson+%28+sontek+%29%29Oct 04 05:59
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schestowitz"http://joeshaw.org/2010/10/01/681"Oct 04 05:59
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schestowitzFrom Planet SUSE.Oct 04 05:59
twitterand web stats from traditional media sites, which are on the decline and visited by mostly clueless people.Oct 04 05:59
schestowitz"So I've become a huge fan of Linux Haters blog "Oct 04 05:59
schestowitzNice, eh?Oct 04 05:59
schestowitzThis from a .NET blogOct 04 05:59
Chips_B_Malroya comment on mini msft blog:Oct 04 05:59
schestowitzIn Planet SUSEOct 04 05:59
twitterniceOct 04 06:00
Chips_B_Malroy"Back from the company meeting. This has been be my 5th and never witnessed such a cold reception to Ballmer. Is it me or it this disaster CEO performance coming to a head within the company?"Oct 04 06:00
twitterwhy would a .NET blog care about gnu/linux?Oct 04 06:00
schestowitzMonoOct 04 06:02
twitterwhy would a .NET person care about mono?Oct 04 06:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft shows everything that's wrong in extreme, unregulated capitalism. "jobs to poorer countries as they bump up against H1B limits."Oct 04 06:02
twitterThe answer can only be that Microsoft encourages a culture of hatred, or that the blogger is just an infiltrating TE causing problems.Oct 04 06:03
twitterthere's a lot of hatred in Microsoft emailOct 04 06:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Back from the company meeting. This has been be my 5th and never witnessed such a cold reception to Ballmer." --Microsoft staffOct 04 06:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Is it me or it this disaster CEO performance coming to a head within the company?" --Microsoft staffOct 04 06:04
twitterMicrosoft is going down the drain, it is getting harder for them to hide it.Oct 04 06:05
qu1j0t3+1Oct 04 06:05
qu1j0t3long predicted :)Oct 04 06:05
qu1j0t3its purpose has been servedOct 04 06:05
qu1j0t3and of course, as they sink, the tactics get uglier. also long expected.Oct 04 06:06
twitterMicrosoft served no purpose, other than to make Bill Gates and a few other trolls richer.Oct 04 06:06
qu1j0t3right.Oct 04 06:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @admishra plz RT: Linux User Group Bikaner is organising an #open #source event #rajasfoss. Inviting you all http://rajasfoss.lugb.in ...Oct 04 06:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft's shareholders/results day is due shortly. Expect spin, euphemisms & avoidance to hide/embellish the layoffs !techrights coveredOct 04 06:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Rajasfoss | Jyot se Jyot Jalate Chalo | Oct 8-11, 2010 .::. Size~: 27.64 KBOct 04 06:07
qu1j0t3the greatest criminal of our time, more or less.Oct 04 06:07
schestowitzWhat are our times?Oct 04 06:08
schestowitzLifetime? Whose? One person?Oct 04 06:08
schestowitzWhat about David Rockefeller?Oct 04 06:08
qu1j0t3schestowitz: yours or mine, and we'll pay it off for another 1000 yrs.Oct 04 06:08
schestowitzRemember what happened after GReat DepressionOct 04 06:08
schestowitzWorkers' union roseOct 04 06:08
qu1j0t3schestowitz: I'm aware.Oct 04 06:08
qu1j0t3schestowitz: but it is customary to downplay what Billy has done.Oct 04 06:08
schestowitzTO take power away from the corporations  that crushed societyOct 04 06:08
schestowitzThese were the times for resistanceOct 04 06:09
schestowitzNot "tea party" styleOct 04 06:09
qu1j0t3schestowitz: when do we start de-mythologising Billy?Oct 04 06:09
schestowitzSheep for KochOct 04 06:09
schestowitzqu1j0t3: when the PR runs outOct 04 06:09
Chips_B_MalroyThe mid term elections here in Nov.  Expect the winners whichever party, will bail out the banks for the 3rd timeOct 04 06:09
schestowitzPR is hard to beatOct 04 06:09
qu1j0t3schestowitz: hm, interesting. I'll think on that.Oct 04 06:09
schestowitzIt's a 24-hour machine for liesOct 04 06:09
qu1j0t3schestowitz: it's true, that they won't spin for free.Oct 04 06:10
twitterThere's lots of Microsoft being pumped onto public TV for kids.Oct 04 06:10
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2010/10/04/the-century-of-the-self/Oct 04 06:10
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qu1j0t3twitter: he's infiltrating educationOct 04 06:10
qu1j0t3twitter: throughout USOct 04 06:10
schestowitzTo brainwash all adultsOct 04 06:10
schestowitzWHile youngOct 04 06:10
schestowitzEvil SOBOct 04 06:10
schestowitzAnd the PR works all the timeOct 04 06:10
schestowitzHe bought education pressOct 04 06:10
Chips_B_MalroyI haven't watched NPR in years, but I remember the Gates foundation sponsered a lot of stuff back thenOct 04 06:11
schestowitzPaid themOct 04 06:11
schestowitzAnd now they spread praises of his plansOct 04 06:11
twitterA nasty program called "Bizz Kids"  compared him to Edison, gave Gates credit for all of personal computing.  Very sick.Oct 04 06:11
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: NPR is corrupted by GatesOct 04 06:11
schestowitzMany others tooOct 04 06:11
Chips_B_MalroyyesOct 04 06:11
schestowitzI need to maybe start a wiki listOct 04 06:11
schestowitzNPR is uniqueOct 04 06:11
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schestowitzCause it's "national"Oct 04 06:11
FurnaceBoytwitter: https://seattleducation2010.wordpress.com/2010/08/23/the-lines-of-influence-in-education-reform/Oct 04 06:11
twitterGates has flooded NPR an PBS.Oct 04 06:11
schestowitzEven the 'national' channels are now Gates'Oct 04 06:11
Chips_B_Malroymost of the money for NPR comes from taxpayersOct 04 06:12
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schestowitzIf that's not an ethical crime, what is?Oct 04 06:12
Chips_B_Malroylike the BBC most likelyOct 04 06:12
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: the public buys the mediaOct 04 06:12
schestowitzGates pays for the mediaOct 04 06:12
schestowitzPublic pays for banswidthOct 04 06:12
schestowitzGates sets the agenda with ad moneyOct 04 06:12
twitterThe money does come from taxpayers, but Gates has managed to spin it.Oct 04 06:12
schestowitzBut it's "for poor african children"Oct 04 06:12
schestowitzSo it's not "shameless advertising"Oct 04 06:12
schestowitzGODS with the chquebooks, FurnaceBoyOct 04 06:13
Chips_B_Malroy"this program partly paid for by a grant from the Gates Foundation"Oct 04 06:13
schestowitzThis article sponsored by GAtes: http://www.guardian.co.uk/theguardian/2010/sep/17/melinda-gates-microsoft-foundation-charityOct 04 06:13
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schestowitzCriinal familiesOct 04 06:13
schestowitzBuying the coverage about themOct 04 06:13
schestowitzGuardian playing alongOct 04 06:13
qu1j0t3Chips_B_Malroy: right, MS has been infiltrating BBC for some time.Oct 04 06:14
twitterMost of the Microsoft PR on PBS is very stale, but that does not make it ineffective at influencing children and the clueless.Oct 04 06:14
schestowitzI hope writers for thew Guardian resign in protestOct 04 06:14
qu1j0t3schestowitz: Gates family now defines morality. New religion: money. Now it's official.Oct 04 06:14
qu1j0t3schestowitz: I guess we should have seen this comingOct 04 06:14
twitterTraditional media has less money to work with, have more concentrated ownership and are more pliable than ever.Oct 04 06:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Editors and writers for #theGuardian and #NPR should resign in protest over their employer's decision to take bribe from rich families' biasOct 04 06:15
schestowitzpliable - let me show you...Oct 04 06:16
schestowitzMicrosoft: "Oct 04 06:17
schestowitzFinding a moderator is key to setting up a stacked panel. The best sources of pliable moderators are:Oct 04 06:17
schestowitz— Analysts: Analysts sell out – that’s their business model. But they are very concerned that they never look like they are selling out, so that makes them very prickly to work with.Oct 04 06:17
schestowitz— Consultants: These guys are your best bets as moderators. Get a well-known consultant on your side early, but don’t let him publish anything blatantly pro-Microsoft. Then, get him to propose himself to the conference organizers as a moderator, whenever a panel opportunity comes up. Since he’s well-known, but apparently independent, he’ll be accepted – one less thing for the constantly-overworked conference organizer toOct 04 06:17
schestowitzworry about, right?Oct 04 06:17
schestowitz"Oct 04 06:17
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/comes-3096.pdfOct 04 06:17
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schestowitzMicrosoft is at least honest about its PR liesOct 04 06:17
schestowitz<Chips_B_Malroy> like the BBC most likelyOct 04 06:18
schestowitzEntrism is enough thereOct 04 06:18
schestowitzThe BBC can't take bribes from himOct 04 06:18
Chips_B_MalroyI would say that MS is even proud about it's lyingOct 04 06:18
schestowitzIt's not NPROct 04 06:18
twitterThey were honest to themselves.  That training was never supposed to be published.Oct 04 06:18
schestowitzBBC=Microsoft UK giving you media with GLam MediaOct 04 06:18
schestowitzCorrupted mediaOct 04 06:18
schestowitzMurdoch appears in the 3rd episode of http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2010/10/04/the-century-of-the-self/Oct 04 06:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: schestowitz.com  » Blog Archive   » One of My Favourite Documentaries: BBC Dissecting the True Evils of PR .::. Size~: 32.07 KBOct 04 06:19
schestowitzWhat a disgusting man that Murdoch... ruins many countries all at onceOct 04 06:19
twitterhttp://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-04/corn-drops-for-third-day-as-u-s-harvest-advances-supply-hits-3-year-high.htmlOct 04 06:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle:             Corn Drops for Third Day as U.S. Harvest Advances, Supply Hits 3-Year High - Bloomberg           .::. Size~: 50.62 KBOct 04 06:21
twitterIs it coincidental that high fructose corn syrup consumption is at a 20 year low?Oct 04 06:22
twitterPerhaps the US can go back to sending corn to hungry people.Oct 04 06:22
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schestowitzcowsOct 04 06:22
schestowitzThey feed them to cowsOct 04 06:23
twitterthough GMOs might not be a nice thing to feed peopleOct 04 06:23
schestowitzAnd then inject ntibioticsOct 04 06:23
twitterfeed poor people to cows?Oct 04 06:23
schestowitzCause cows can't digest it wellOct 04 06:23
qu1j0t3no, cornOct 04 06:23
schestowitzBut corn is subsidised to make in the USOct 04 06:23
schestowitzDue to political corruptionOct 04 06:23
qu1j0t3+1Oct 04 06:23
qu1j0t3well, it's a cheerful conversation (!!!!!!!!) but I need to sleep.Oct 04 06:23
qu1j0t3nite folksOct 04 06:23
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twitterI'll bet beef consumption is also down.Oct 04 06:24
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sebsebsebschestowitz: ABCDEFGOct 04 06:25
twitterknowledge of what's in factory food and what's bad for people is spreading despite a lot of big advertising by big agraOct 04 06:25
schestowitzWHo funds AGRAOct 04 06:25
schestowitzIn Africa IIRC it's gates et alOct 04 06:25
sebsebsebHIJKLMNOPQRSTUVWXYZOct 04 06:25
schestowitzit's good for their ivestmentOct 04 06:25
schestowitzLike GAVI, it's a front groupOct 04 06:26
schestowitzSort ofOct 04 06:26
schestowitzDistancing Big Food and patents from their own corp.Oct 04 06:26
schestowitzWith help of self-glorifying rich people like RockefellerOct 04 06:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "...(there are always sources of tension between allies..), so that we can find ways to split ‘em apart." --Microsoft doc #mobbyistsOct 04 06:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "...what differences exist between them and their allies (there are always sources of tension between allies..." --Microsoft #mobbyistsOct 04 06:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Gathering intelligence on enemy activities is critical to the success of the Slog. We need to know who their allies.." --Microsoft (leaked)Oct 04 06:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The last 3 quotes are clear statements from Microsoft's own leaks docs. http://ur1.ca/1yah2 #mobbyistsOct 04 06:30
schestowitz"well, my personal all-time favorite is Sauerbraten: http://bit.ly/buQsSI though Planeshift looks interesting." http://twitter.com/#!/dcatdemon/status/26330660634Oct 04 06:31
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schestowitzsebsebseb: got account yet?Oct 04 06:31
schestowitz"Likewise, Document Foundation is all about mistrust and attempt to gain controll and set direction.From Novell and IBM, I guess" http://twitter.com/#!/fcassia/status/26331495671Oct 04 06:31
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twitteris this for real?  http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Owner_of_Segway_Jimi_Heselden_dies_after_scooter_cliff_fall_aged_62Oct 04 06:31
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sebsebsebschestowitz: noOct 04 06:32
schestowitz"Shhh. Ballmer needs to continue and take down the giant monopolist firm with him. ;-)" http://twitter.com/#!/fcassia/status/26335549040Oct 04 06:32
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schestowitz"what is Nokia´s market cap and what firms (if any) could buy it?" http://twitter.com/#!/fcassia/status/26335613450Oct 04 06:32
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schestowitz wikipedia has some accurate numbers on NokiaOct 04 06:32
schestowitzMicrosoft can't buy themOct 04 06:32
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/04/business/04borrow.html?src=buslnOct 04 06:33
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schestowitzNo point in it, either. Entryism a la Yahoo! is cheaper. They bought CEO chair alredyOct 04 06:33
Chips_B_MalroyCheap Debt for Corporations Fails to Spur EconomyOct 04 06:33
Chips_B_Malroy"As many households and small businesses are being turned away by bank loan officers, large corporations are borrowing vast sums of money for next to nothing ? simply because they can."Oct 04 06:34
Chips_B_Malroy"Companies like Microsoft are raising billions of dollars by issuing bonds at ultra-low interest rates, but few of them are actually spending the money on new factories, equipment or jobs. Instead, they are stockpiling the cash until the economy improves."Oct 04 06:34
schestowitz'to answer myself: $36.9B (Nokia market cap)" http://twitter.com/#!/fcassia/status/26335724191Oct 04 06:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Entryism - Microsoft's way of buying rival companies for just $0. #sap #hp #nokia #yahoo #novell #corel #xandros #samsung #citrix #xenOct 04 06:35
Chips_B_Malroy"Microsoft said it was using some of its money to buy back shares, other companies are locking in longer-term borrowing, and some of the new borrowing is financing an increase in mergers and acquisitions."Oct 04 06:37
Chips_B_Malroy"All of this may enrich the corporations? shareholders and cut company costs in the long run, but it does not necessarily lead to more jobs and it does not represent the big investments in growth that could fuel a sharp economic recovery for everyone."Oct 04 06:38
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twitterpretty good spin and cover for companies like Microsoft having to borrow to meet operating costs.Oct 04 06:39
schestowitzOperation??Oct 04 06:39
schestowitzTHat's InfosysOct 04 06:39
schestowitzRemember:Oct 04 06:39
schestowitzEarlier this year MSFT moved internal ops thereOct 04 06:39
schestowitzIndiaOct 04 06:39
schestowitzThe NYT plays it safeOct 04 06:40
schestowitzOnly Microsoft-approved statementOct 04 06:40
schestowitzto not lose a jobOct 04 06:40
schestowitzOr be reprimanded via editor/publisherOct 04 06:40
schestowitzUntil they pull an Enron one dayOct 04 06:40
schestowitzOr a MadoffOct 04 06:40
schestowitzNobody listens to complaintOct 04 06:40
twitterNYT is not useful tech reportingOct 04 06:40
schestowitzUntil after it's out thereOct 04 06:40
schestowitzTHen the NYT claims all the creditOct 04 06:40
schestowitzAfter being an obedient puppet as trend-setting media, to borrow Chomsky's termOct 04 06:41
schestowitzMicrosoft smells rottenOct 04 06:41
twitteris rottenOct 04 06:41
Chips_B_MalroyyepOct 04 06:41
schestowitz15 buyouts... it can't name even 1Oct 04 06:41
schestowitzAnd there's debtOct 04 06:41
schestowitzBut the company claims to sit on $40bnOct 04 06:41
schestowitzSure, I can see the logic..Oct 04 06:41
twitterthey probably have a good inventory of unsold Vista.Oct 04 06:42
schestowitz"Let's go to the bank and borrow money..., cause we already have too much of it... in the BANK"Oct 04 06:42
twitterThat's got to be worth a fortune.Oct 04 06:42
schestowitzSavings- positive interestOct 04 06:42
schestowitzDebt-neegative interestOct 04 06:42
schestowitzNovell has debt tooOct 04 06:42
schestowitzI pointed this outOct 04 06:42
schestowitzNovell spinners said having some debt is goodOct 04 06:42
schestowitzI asked howOct 04 06:42
Chips_B_MalroyThe question is, if MS really truely has this mountian of cash they claim to have, where is it and why isn't in the USA where they make a huge share of it?Oct 04 06:42
schestowitzNever got an answer IIRCOct 04 06:42
schestowitz[06:42] <twitter> they probably have a good inventory of unsold Vista.Oct 04 06:43
schestowitzVista sold well...Oct 04 06:43
schestowitzTo OEMsOct 04 06:43
schestowitzWho ccouldn't sell the machinesOct 04 06:43
schestowitzRevenue reported at about 4$bn/atrOct 04 06:43
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twitterYes, they channel stuffed and put retailers out of businessOct 04 06:43
schestowitzOnly about $3bn for VIsta 7Oct 04 06:43
schestowitzBig declineOct 04 06:43
Chips_B_MalroyOEM's are like slavesOct 04 06:44
schestowitzThey are retalisated againstOct 04 06:44
Chips_B_Malroyforced to use whatever windows version MS tells them toOct 04 06:44
gnufreexOnionFace is FUDing aginst android, threatens with more suits http://fosspatents.blogspot.com/Oct 04 06:44
twitterwhat I said was a joke speculation about what Microsoft's $40 billion actually is.Oct 04 06:44
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schestowitzhttp://www.bmighty.com/blog/main/archives/2009/05/is_microsoft_he.htm "Acer and Intel, for example, are already complaining that Windows 7 Starter Edition simply won't sell."Oct 04 06:44
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twitterThat Dell spam I got was filled with Starter Edition.Oct 04 06:45
schestowitzgnufreex: it's a mobbyistsOct 04 06:46
twitterI doubt Microsoft really has any money in the bank.Oct 04 06:46
schestowitzSee the twitter accountOct 04 06:46
schestowitzSpeaks with all the MS MVPsOct 04 06:46
schestowitzCause FOSS people ignore/ban himOct 04 06:46
gnufreexHe looks extremely happy to see Android sued, and wants more. SchestowizOct 04 06:46
twitterThe boosters figures of Microsoft cash are a moving target.  $60, $20, now $40 billion?Oct 04 06:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] “They want to promote open source and Linux. But if you begin from the PC you are afraid of Microsoft.”-Li Chang,Taipei Computer AssociationOct 04 06:47
gnufreexCompare his reaction to Oracle suit, with this one of Microsoft.Oct 04 06:47
gnufreexHe likes this one.Oct 04 06:47
Chips_B_MalroyMS will keep going after companies that use Android and next ChromeOS until Google countersues them and files antitrust charges in the USA and EUOct 04 06:48
Chips_B_MalroyMS will not stop until thenOct 04 06:48
gnufreex"Contrary to what some claim, Google couldn't have avoided the problem (and couldn't solve the problem now) by developing Dalvik as a fork of IcedTea or other GPL-based Java software. To be safe, Google would either have to use the original Java code made available by Oracle (which might not meet Google's and the Android ecosystem's requirements in terms of functionality and performance) or switch to an alternative, legallyOct 04 06:48
gnufreex safe platform such as .NET/C#."Oct 04 06:48
gnufreexHe recomends MonoOct 04 06:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The #mobbyist "is FUDing aginst android, threatens with more suits," says @gnufreexOct 04 06:49
gnufreex"Legaly safe" monoOct 04 06:49
twitteroh pleaseOct 04 06:49
twitterwhat an assOct 04 06:49
Chips_B_MalroySafe and mono should not be used in the same sentanceOct 04 06:49
gnufreexAtacks GPL, atacks FSF for saying that GPL'd IcedTea would help, and then recomends Mono. now i saw everything.Oct 04 06:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] It appears likely that Microsoft is bluffing about its bank balance or puts all the money overseas in tax havens. Now it's SCO2.Oct 04 06:50
gnufreexI think he should be reported to FTC and Microsoft should be sued for sending him to astroturf.Oct 04 06:50
twitter"Contrary to what some claim ... " like the FSF or PJ?  I'm sure they know nothing.  Microsoft Florian must know better ... pththfit.Oct 04 06:51
schestowitz[06:48] <gnufreex> He recomends MonoOct 04 06:51
schestowitzHe's exclusively a .NET developerOct 04 06:51
schestowitzSomeone who knows him personally told meOct 04 06:51
schestowitzIt's just a mobbyistOct 04 06:51
twitterwhat does that clown develop?Oct 04 06:51
schestowitzMake sure people in forums he posts know thisOct 04 06:51
schestowitzSimply give them the fact. This is an anti-FOSS guy.Oct 04 06:52
twitterstuff to change the text in his Word docs?Oct 04 06:52
schestowitzPRO-swpaysOct 04 06:52
schestowitzPRO-swpatsOct 04 06:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Why is Microsoft borrowing $billions from the banks, killing many of its products, and promoting @horaciog to extort and sue competitors?Oct 04 06:52
Chips_B_MalroyThe banks are only loaning money to the big rich corporations here in the USA cheaply.  All other small businesses have to pay a much higher rate of interest and they are seen as more likely to fail.  Sadly its the smaller businesses that would be putting people back to work here, not the big corporations like Microsoft.Oct 04 06:52
gnufreexIt looks like one of patents micorosft sued for, is conected to FAT... this kernel. Could this triger OIN?Oct 04 06:53
gnufreexBut Motorola is not in OIN... crapOct 04 06:53
Chips_B_MalroyIt appears that Google will do nothing.Oct 04 06:54
Chips_B_Malroyunless sued directlyOct 04 06:54
schestowitz"I have been living in the US for 10 years, and I never thought that people that many of the people that went through college end up with huge debts that they had to repay for 30 years. "Oct 04 06:54
schestowitzhttp://tirania.org/blog/archive/2010/Sep-13.htmlOct 04 06:54
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schestowitzTrue thatOct 04 06:54
schestowitzI agree with a post from MiguelOct 04 06:54
schestowitzNow I'd have to wash my faceOct 04 06:54
gnufreexPhilip Van Hoof is first commenter on De Icaza's blog.Oct 04 06:56
gnufreexThey are both in anti-RMS churchOct 04 06:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Those who can, compete. Those who cannot, distort the market (entryism, extortion, lawsuits, OEM bundling, propaganda, bribes, lobbying...)Oct 04 06:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Microsoft... we should have to ask permission.... Windows is an operating system, not a religion." -Gateway Computer Chairman Ted WaittOct 04 06:59
schestowitzgnufreex: I know.Oct 04 06:59
schestowitzWIndows ISVs of sortsOct 04 06:59
twitterMiguel makes interesting social statements but that one shows how clueless he is.Oct 04 06:59
schestowitzIf .NET succeeds, they will benefitOct 04 06:59
schestowitzSo their interests have been aligned an vested vs FSFOct 04 06:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] nsisodiya: RT @schestowitz: Why is Microsoft borrowing $billions from the banks, killing many of its products, and... http://bit.ly/blWR4POct 04 07:00
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twitterIf Microsoft succeeds, Miguel will benefit.Oct 04 07:01
twitterHe's really dug himself in that deep.Oct 04 07:01
twitterbut Microsoft is failing.Oct 04 07:02
gnufreextwitter: He devoted his life to MS jihad.Oct 04 07:02
twitterhis career at leastOct 04 07:02
gnufreexHe didn't wrote Mono out of boredoomOct 04 07:02
Chips_B_MalroyMS fears Android and ChromeOS greatly, which is why they sue these companies.  It the same exact tactic they used with their pawn SCO.  Their playbook never changes.Oct 04 07:03
Chips_B_MalroyAnd yes, Android and ChromeOS is going hurt them badly.Oct 04 07:03
gnufreexThat is the reason why Dell is dumping Ubuntu.Oct 04 07:04
Chips_B_MalroyIn their home market the USAOct 04 07:04
gnufreexThey are coerced by M$Oct 04 07:04
twitterDell has set themselves up to fail.Oct 04 07:04
twitterThey have one or two items under $300.  One of them runs Vista 7 non-starter edition, the other Android.Oct 04 07:05
twitterIf their adverts are correct, they are heavily invested in Vista 7 and will go down with it.Oct 04 07:06
gnufreexAnd they are lying that they ship Ubuntu http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Why-is-Dell-UK-making-it-so-difficult-1095568.htmlOct 04 07:06
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gnufreexGlyn Moody couldn't buy it, and they called him a freak for asking something other that Windblows.Oct 04 07:06
twitterAndroid shows that anyone can take gnu/linux and make things people want.Oct 04 07:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ms @NeelieKroesEU has been lobbied very heavily by stealth to allow #swpats like those on FAT to be used to block EU competition inc. !linuxOct 04 07:07
twitterThere should be a flood of tablets and netbooks to wipe Dell and HP out of the "consumer" space.Oct 04 07:07
twitterNon free Android will not compete well against really free software.Oct 04 07:08
gnufreextwitter: I am not very happy with Android. They riped out GNU, and put some quirky usrland. Only kernel is GPL. They couldn't be asked for royalties if they used GPL userland.Oct 04 07:08
twitterGoogle did all of that for telcos, it was short sighted.Oct 04 07:08
Chips_B_MalroyIts only companies that use linux for cell phones as communities so far use GNU + linux as distros for computers.Oct 04 07:08
Chips_B_MalroyTherefore, this is why Google has been sucessful with Android so farOct 04 07:08
twitterAs the point is proved, the market will open up.Oct 04 07:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Woke up in Capetown. Ready for #POSSESA this week! Let's rock and roll!Oct 04 07:09
gnufreexThis is all happending to Google because they evaded GPL. They practicale rewrote everyting under ASL, except the kernel.Oct 04 07:09
twitterOthers will finally enter and blow the rest away.Oct 04 07:09
Chips_B_MalroyPerhaps it will if Google can spearhead the way in tablets and netbooksOct 04 07:09
twitterGoogle has already done this.Oct 04 07:10
Chips_B_Malroyonce people are familar with Android on cell phones, they will accept them on Tablets/netbooksOct 04 07:10
Chips_B_Malroyyes, I mean in a big wayOct 04 07:10
twitterThey also did good work supporting ODF.  I wish they would do more of that and also move to ogg.Oct 04 07:10
Chips_B_Malroyas far as tablets and laptops etcOct 04 07:11
twitterit is only a matter of time.  The PC is going the way of the pocket calculator with interesting free software potential.Oct 04 07:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Oracle is now more concerned about IBM than about Microsoft, which lost in the datacentre. Apple is in peace with Oracle.Oct 04 07:12
schestowitzhttp://psankar.blogspot.com/2010/09/ubuntu-bug-sent-from-ubuntu-for.htmlOct 04 07:12
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twitterThe final missing piece is unlicensed spectrum.  Once again, Google is leading the way.Oct 04 07:12
Chips_B_MalroyOddly enough, I agree with Ballmer's truck theory to an extent, that computers (at least the ones that work good, with linux on them) will not go away completelyOct 04 07:13
twitterWith persistent TV whitespace networking, there will be no barrier to free software left.Oct 04 07:13
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: we still have mainframesOct 04 07:13
schestowitzNot MicrosoftOct 04 07:14
schestowitzIBM mostlyOct 04 07:14
schestowitzServer room 'trucks' run LinuxOct 04 07:14
schestowitzMicrosoft is the ladaOct 04 07:14
twittercomputers will not go away, they will just get cheaperOct 04 07:14
Chips_B_MalroyBut my Nephew who uses a windows computer, is now using a blackberry for the last couple of years and says he never bothers to turn on his computer anymoreOct 04 07:14
schestowitztwitter: new patents comeOct 04 07:14
schestowitzNow to phonesOct 04 07:14
schestowitzTo elevate pricesOct 04 07:14
schestowitzAnd adverttising makes people think they want to replace PC with tiny panelOct 04 07:15
schestowitzgood for us in a way...Oct 04 07:15
schestowitzGiddied up Apple fanbois will be unproductive on their lousy hypePhoneOct 04 07:15
schestowitzWhile real work will be done by people with keyboards and multi-headsOct 04 07:16
twitterI like the convertible PC concept.Oct 04 07:16
schestowitzYeahOct 04 07:16
schestowitzSame cost to makeOct 04 07:16
schestowitzJust more versatileOct 04 07:16
Chips_B_Malroyquestion is, how many people or rather what percent of computer users could switch to a smartphone full time?Oct 04 07:16
twitterMost people will want a "smartphone"Oct 04 07:17
twitterthey will also want computers in their houses that work at TVs, climate control, etc.Oct 04 07:17
twitterfree software will give these devices continuity and communications that non free software can never provide.Oct 04 07:18
twitterThe laptop form factor won't go away, but it might get more modularOct 04 07:18
schestowitzhttp://satellite.vizzzion.org/blog/2010/09/plasma-photo-collage/Oct 04 07:18
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schestowitz[07:16] <Chips_B_Malroy> question is, how many people or rather what percent of computer users could switch to a smartphone full time?Oct 04 07:19
schestowitzThe more, the merrierOct 04 07:19
twitterI think people will also want to run their own servers for photo albums and other sharingOct 04 07:19
schestowitzThey become less productiveOct 04 07:19
schestowitzGood for those who choose machines over gadgetryOct 04 07:19
twitternot really goodOct 04 07:19
twitterI like a fuller marketOct 04 07:19
schestowitzPeople now use phones to type tweets on tiny keyboardsOct 04 07:20
schestowitzIt's hard to work beyong it on small displaysOct 04 07:20
twitterthey also have laptopsOct 04 07:20
schestowitzUnless they commute a lotOct 04 07:20
schestowitzThen too they can use laptopsOct 04 07:20
schestowitzThere's this 'small is beautiful' marketing thing nowOct 04 07:20
schestowitzYou see it in Macbook Air and hypePadOct 04 07:20
schestowitzPeople are told big machine are uglyOct 04 07:21
Chips_B_Malroy"<twitter> I think people will also want to run their own servers for photo albums and other sharing"  Not everybody does that, not every one plays games.  Some people (not myself) could get by with a smartphone to replace the computer.  My nephew is being honest about it.  But he is the first to tell me this.Oct 04 07:21
schestowitzAnd the good-looking girls want guys with tiny gadgetsOct 04 07:21
twitterserious research/real work demands the flexibility and power of multiple desktops and it is still hard to beat keyboards as an input deviceOct 04 07:21
schestowitzSo they go ahead and buy rubbish 'appliances'Oct 04 07:21
twitterYour nephew wants his photosOct 04 07:21
schestowitztwitter: they can use voice recognition in VistaOct 04 07:21
twitterlolOct 04 07:22
schestowitzIt's good at deleting setencesOct 04 07:22
Chips_B_MalroyIf 10 to 20% of windows computer users move to smartphones instead of buying another windows computer?Oct 04 07:22
schestowitzBallmer to Vista 7 devs about voice rec: "DELETE THAT!"Oct 04 07:22
schestowitzGoogle'e phone did voice recOct 04 07:22
schestowitzHUGE lagOct 04 07:22
schestowitzAnd now it's a dead projectOct 04 07:22
schestowitzNexus AxusOct 04 07:23
twitterPeople who think they can get buy with smartphones are dependent on sites like Facebook and photosharing sites that will let them down sooner than latter.Oct 04 07:23
twitterEveryone has to go through a disappointing walled garden experience to get it.Oct 04 07:23
twitterWhen they think it through, they will want a server of their own like freedomboxOct 04 07:24
Chips_B_Malroymost people only use a computer for email, limited surfing, writting a letter ocasionally, a playing a few games.  Most of this can be done on a smartphoneOct 04 07:25
twitterEveryone has a photo album, no one wants it held hostage.Oct 04 07:25
Chips_B_Malroynot trueOct 04 07:25
MinceRmany lusers don't even understand the concept of their data being held hostageOct 04 07:25
Chips_B_MalroyyesOct 04 07:26
twitterno one does until it happens to them.Oct 04 07:26
twitterFlicker is a Yahoo site?Oct 04 07:26
Chips_B_Malroyjust when when msn music with its drm server were taken offlineOct 04 07:27
twittergood luck to people depending on that!Oct 04 07:27
twittermusic is one thing, people's pictures are anotherOct 04 07:27
MinceRand yahoo is a m$ front nowOct 04 07:27
twitterrightOct 04 07:27
twitterand everything yahoo has is more screwed up by the dayOct 04 07:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] 2.6.36-rc6-git2: Reported regressions from 2.6.35 http://bit.ly/cwKoOI #linux #kernel Total: 52 Pending: 16 Unresolved: 14Oct 04 07:29
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Chips_B_Malroyyahoo is being eaten by the snake Micro$oft whole right now.  It will take some time to digest (steal its search market share).Oct 04 07:29
twitter5 + 5 = 5 or lessOct 04 07:29
Chips_B_MalroyWhen M$ is done with Yahoo, they will be broke or very small.Oct 04 07:30
twitterBing is such a poor search engine that it can't attract users.  Microsoft's destruction of Yahoo will simply drive Yahoo users away, not grow Microsoft.Oct 04 07:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @jwildeboer enjoy!Oct 04 07:30
schestowitz[07:25] <Chips_B_Malroy> most people only use a computer for email, limited surfing, writting a letter ocasionally, a playing a few games.  Most of this can be done on a smartphoneOct 04 07:31
schestowitzEven less than thatOct 04 07:31
schestowitzMy dad, for example, mostly just needs a browserOct 04 07:31
schestowitzSo he uses LinuxOct 04 07:31
twitterDoes your dad have physical photos?Oct 04 07:31
Chips_B_Malroyanother reason windows users like smartphones without windows one them, is the lack of malware compared to windows on computersOct 04 07:32
Chips_B_Malroy*onOct 04 07:32
schestowitztwitter: yesOct 04 07:32
twitterMicrosoft is making more headway with Facebook than it is with Yahoo.Oct 04 07:32
schestowitzYuck, Zuck "dumb fucks" Berg...Oct 04 07:33
schestowitzFriend of Microoft execsOct 04 07:33
twitterFacebook is the marvelous time suck, spy and propaganda machine that Microsoft wanted to build but could not.Oct 04 07:33
schestowitzEven caught dining with Nathan the trollOct 04 07:33
Chips_B_Malroythey might gain a couple of percentage of search users off yahoo, but long term they drive Yahoo users to GoogleOct 04 07:33
schestowitzMicrosoft owns part of FBOct 04 07:34
twitterRight.Oct 04 07:34
schestowitzAt least FB didn't sell to Microsoft when they triedOct 04 07:34
twitterand they suck all of the dataOct 04 07:34
schestowitzMicrosoft would have killed it thoughOct 04 07:34
schestowitzMaybe would be better if they soldOct 04 07:34
twitterMicrosoft may kill FB yetOct 04 07:34
schestowitzWasting MSFT cash (debt) and nuking itselfOct 04 07:34
twitterentryism and influence are cheaper than purchaseOct 04 07:35
twitterMicrosoft can make FB Windows centric as well as use it's spy power to their advantageOct 04 07:35
twitterThere's tremendous potential for abuse with FBOct 04 07:35
twitterFB knows your friends and the people you depend on and what they are saying about you.Oct 04 07:36
twitterFB can be used to influence those people and ruin you quickly.Oct 04 07:36
twitterWhen I say "you" I mean anyone.Oct 04 07:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] New ventures: OpenDJ, FossAlliance: Friday was a busy day full of news for me. After an exhausting day full of con... http://bit.ly/95bhDPOct 04 07:37
MinceRnot me, i don't have an account there :>Oct 04 07:37
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Chips_B_Malroyyes, its a major privacy problem FBOct 04 07:37
twitterit is disturbing to see that FB now sucks more time than Google, Yahoo and several other sites put together.Oct 04 07:37
twitterFB is great at bringing people together, but the power it takes for itself is unacceptableOct 04 07:38
twitterIt's amazing that Google gets privacy complaints while Facebook sails along with Microsoft's blessing.Oct 04 07:39
twitterHow two faced can the Microsoft people be?Oct 04 07:39
schestowitzThe Linux FOundation is now just hiring PR people.. http://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=2629860&authType=name&authToken=aoeF&trk=nmp_pymk_photoOct 04 07:39
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Chips_B_Malroynot really, ms is all about the money, it cares less about morals or ethics as it has noneOct 04 07:40
schestowitztwitter: 'Consumer' WatchdogOct 04 07:40
twitterThat makes it easy to notice the contradictions.Oct 04 07:40
Chips_B_MalroyMS is all about GREED, and nothing but greed.Oct 04 07:40
schestowitzMicrosoft seeds some of the Google hatredOct 04 07:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] @rsandu how can you say it's FUD since most of the apps are non free sw?Oct 04 07:40
schestowitzAs it does i WAOct 04 07:40
schestowitz*inOct 04 07:40
twitterOh I know.  Microsoft has weekly "screw Google" meetings.Oct 04 07:41
Chips_B_Malroysadly its not completely ineffictiveOct 04 07:42
twitterso Microsoft boosters act like Google is a big privacy boogey man while ignoring Microsoft and FB.Oct 04 07:42
schestowitzJennifer Cloer:Oct 04 07:42
Chips_B_Malroyeven on the linux distro forums I see some Google bashers nowOct 04 07:42
schestowitzTeam Lead at   Page One PROct 04 07:42
schestowitzPR Manager at   TektronixOct 04 07:42
twitterIt's effective because media is PR instead of journalism.Oct 04 07:42
schestowitzHmmmph..Oct 04 07:42
schestowitzPR adds nothing to societyOct 04 07:43
twitterForums are filled with Microsoft astroturf.  They get followers, but the contradiction is glaring and people notice it when told the facts.Oct 04 07:43
schestowitzAnd I welcome anyone to challenge this statementOct 04 07:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The @LinuxFoundation is heavily vested in PR these days, hiring pure PR[opaganda] people for its staff rather than engineers. #pr #marketingOct 04 07:44
schestowitzPR is one of those things that "make money" but shows that "making money" != "doing good"Oct 04 07:44
twitterThere are ethical uses of Public Relations.Oct 04 07:44
Chips_B_Malroywell, its time for me to sign off now, the last time was a glitch in my internet.  So good night allOct 04 07:44
twitterHospitals can educate the public, for example.Oct 04 07:44
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twitterLike everything else, unethical people will abuse PR.Oct 04 07:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] What I love about the !fsf is that its founder is a strong opposer of the #pr industry, which happens to be paid heavily to discredit himOct 04 07:45
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twitterThe fsf is a political organization, engaged in public education.  This can be described as a form of honest public relations.Oct 04 07:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] ATI Radeon HD 5450 On Linux: While AMD soon will be introducing the Radeon HD 6000 graphics cards, there is still ... http://bit.ly/9VIUjBOct 04 07:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Microsoft makes 60 percent of its profits on Windows, 60 percent on Office, and minus 20 percent on everything else" -Technology & FinanceOct 04 07:47
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twittermaybe 40 or 50.Oct 04 07:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] ForgeRock Adds Directory Service Project OpenDJ to Portfolio - http://bit.ly/9t1DBF more sw breaks free #forks #javaOct 04 08:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Android Paid Apps Available In India http://ur1.ca/1yb9w These apps can also be made to run on !gnu !linuxOct 04 08:09
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schestowitzit's OK, not so amzingOct 04 08:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] God damn it I had like 9 hours of sleep and I still feel like a damned zombie. I'll never sleep this much again!Oct 04 08:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Ubuntu 10.10 RC Screenshots http://www.xoomdev.com/index.php?linux&release=Ubuntu%2010.10%20RCOct 04 08:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Historic audio at risk, thanks to bad copyright laws - http://bit.ly/a2lmTG "would brand virtually all audio preservation as illegal": niceOct 04 08:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Social Mores At Work: Sigur Ros Calls Out Commercials With 'Similar' Music - http://bit.ly/aLlaJw important trend #moresOct 04 08:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Each day this week we will be releasing a new sneak peek from the new album - starting with 'Fallout' - http://is.gd/fJFrb #severedfifthOct 04 08:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] At #possesa. Setting up, connecting, preparing, taking in energy of those that participate.Oct 04 08:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] "Security Analysis of India’s Electronic #Voting Machines" paper by Halderman/#Prasad/Gongrijjp https://eff.org/r.4s6Oct 04 08:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ballmer Aims to Overcome Mobile Missteps - http://bit.ly/bWyU8O truly feeble journalism: #WSJ clearly in decline #microsoftOct 04 08:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Wasteful Technology Habits - Think Before You Buy http://ur1.ca/1ybee "OpenOffice meets the needs of easily 95% of home users"Oct 04 08:24
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: Thoughts on Technology: Wasteful Technology Habits - Think Before You Buy .::. Size~: 72.6 KBOct 04 08:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ministry of Sound Silenced By Huge DDoS Attack - http://bit.ly/afQYFo this will end in tears... #ddosOct 04 08:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Is ODF Green? - http://bit.ly/bdwvEs nice analysis #odf #msofficeOct 04 08:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody #WSJ got Barron's now. Need anyone say more? They are connected to all those "triple A recommendations for sale" crowdOct 04 08:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "[T]ruly feeble journalism: #WSJ [Wall Street Journal] clearly in decline" -- @glynmoody #murdoch #wallstreetOct 04 08:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "No wonder people read blogs instead of traditional media. [...] ironically enough, if #Forbes went the way of the dodo bird." --GroklawOct 04 08:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @reality that's twice as much as me :-)Oct 04 08:40
schestowitz"I think PR folk is exactly what the #LinuxFoundation needs. They support open source and generally do dev it." http://twitter.com/#!/CajunTechie/status/26340441100Oct 04 08:58
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schestowitz"(cont) They have no need for engineers. God knows open source *needs* a good dose of marketing muscle. Geeks *suck* @ PR." http://twitter.com/#!/CajunTechie/status/26340474409Oct 04 08:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] Hello from llamabarn a6Oct 04 08:59
schestowitzfair pointOct 04 08:59
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schestowitzSee  the comments here: http://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2010-10-01-019-35-OP-DT-SWOct 04 09:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] China offers to prop up Greece, euro ahead of EU summit - http://bit.ly/bDfRmY Middle Kingdom to buy Western civilisation...? #china #greeceOct 04 09:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @eff "Security Analysis of India’s Electronic #Voting Machines" paper by Halderman/#Prasad/Gongrijjp https://eff.org/r.4s6Oct 04 09:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] RT @caostheory Microsoft is suing Motorola over alleged Android patent infringements. http://bit.ly/cdk0TwOct 04 09:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Poll on Hacker News asks if people have Silverlight installed... !Linux and !Java fans need to vote no on this asap http://ur1.ca/1ybvwOct 04 09:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @carlopiana @caostheory yes, that's where the INNOVA~1 (oops! patent violation!) happens at #Microsoft these days #swpatsOct 04 09:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] The Clean Coder: The Craftsman 62, The Dark Path; this is how real coders code http://ur1.ca/1ybyc !javaOct 04 09:19
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schestowitzwb, Diablo-D3Oct 04 09:20
Diablo-D3did I go somewhere?Oct 04 09:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] US Government To Operate Fab Labs? - http://bit.ly/d9bPDX wow, that would be big #fabbers #3dprinters #usOct 04 09:20
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schestowitzhttp://www.eveningnews24.co.uk/news/supermarket_tells_norwich_toddler_take_your_hood_off_1_658905Oct 04 09:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Say hello to mechanically separated chicken! - http://bit.ly/aAHVHc and goodbye to your lunch... #foodOct 04 09:27
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/53509919#notice-53975020 "And why exactly would I want to run paid andoid apps on my desktop? Or are you thinking of running them on #MeeGo devices?"Oct 04 09:38
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schestowitzhttp://snuffysmithsblog.blogspot.com/2010/09/worlds-first-cyber-superweapon-attacks.htmlOct 04 09:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @glynmoody Say hello to mechanically separated chicken! - http://bit.ly/aAHVHc and goodbye to your lunch... #foodOct 04 09:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] No signal in llamabarn a6. Annoying.Oct 04 09:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Being madly busy at work. I hate Mondays!Oct 04 09:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] How come that w/ mobile access to email, after purging the fluff I am still with 115 emails after two days away? #fail #zeroinboxOct 04 09:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] Tutorial et al well placed around other lecturesOct 04 09:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] @fabsh Me too there is just something about Mondays, there should be forbidden... Like never work after a day off ;-)Oct 04 09:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] Now to... sit around for 2 hours yayOct 04 10:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] Thankfully I brought reading material todayOct 04 10:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @fabsh at least it ain't raining http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dPmbT5XC-q0 (The Carpenters - Rainy Days And Mondays)Oct 04 10:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] However did they clean all that foam from the student union?Oct 04 10:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @jerezim: #ACTA is NO done deal: http://ur1.ca/1ycab Cannot leave the regulation of our freedoms to opaque, private club negotiations.Oct 04 10:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Heh. Looks like the 2.2.1 update brought a new GMail update for Android. Nice!Oct 04 10:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellog2/@kernellog2] Coming in 2.6.36 (3) - Architecture & Infrastructure http://h-online.com/-1100492 #virtualization #mm #oom #arch #kbuild #security #2636Oct 04 10:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Really happy to see POSSE South Africa well underway! http://teachingopensource.org/index.php/POSSE_South_Africa #fbOct 04 10:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @diablod3 Poll on Hacker News asks if people have Silverlight installed... !Linux and !Java fans need to vote no on this asap http:// ...Oct 04 10:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] When you can't compete, go ahead and sue. http://ur1.ca/1yco7Oct 04 10:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 4/10/2010: #DebConf10 Report, #ODF is Green http://techrights.org/2010/10/04/debconf10-report/ !techrightsOct 04 10:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @harishpillay Microsoft should fire steveB and make @horaciog the CEO to fit the new business strategy. #swpats #extortion #android !linuxOct 04 10:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @harishpillay When you can't compete, go ahead and sue. http://ur1.ca/1yco7Oct 04 10:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @zotz I don't want physical books. That's the whole point of an ereader.Oct 04 10:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @schestowitz LOL. True. And there will be LO live tonight. ;)Oct 04 10:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @schestowitz but, but, but, who'll be doing this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tmja_g5h4Fg :-)Oct 04 10:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Oh #zodbot - we will be good friends at the end of the week :-) #possesaOct 04 10:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Sorry can't find ref, @fabsh, but: eventually everything could be like the software market. Quantum Mech might make alchemy possible?Oct 04 11:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] And the most vaulable material might be hydrogen @fabsh. I can see the possibility. Eventually it will all be software. I can foresee it :)Oct 04 11:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Kudos to Microsoft (yes, you copy well) for keep'n comments onslaught http://ur1.ca/1yco7 Blog is nonsense, but comments, wow!Oct 04 11:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @harishpillay Microsoft can hire Richard Simmons to fill up this gap left by Steve Baller. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k61AN4fynDMOct 04 11:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Mobbyists Love #Mono http://ur1.ca/1ydgh A look at those who are instructing people to embrace MonoOct 04 11:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Hello London, city of the struggle of the proletariat! #equallyironicandseriousOct 04 11:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] Avoid pitfalls with good academic practice.Oct 04 11:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] Great motivational posters there but I would rather you told me where the hell I amOct 04 11:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] I'm all lost in the <s>supermarket</s> libraryOct 04 11:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] Reality is receiving awful signalOct 04 11:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New Article in German Says #Nokia Might be Bought by #Microsoft After Appointing Microsoft President as CEO http://ur1.ca/1ye7l to Clippy?Oct 04 11:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] Twitter conversations with people in the same room. Because I'm not a loser.Oct 04 11:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] It's time for a lecture in the department of European languages ...Oct 04 12:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] #possesa - well organized, perfect facilities, good coffee, delicious food - wow. #impressedOct 04 12:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] Sitting next to a Mac user. Hi @badwill.Oct 04 12:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Chevron vs. Greenpeace http://ur1.ca/1yf8xOct 04 12:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @fabsh not sure that was just buying. still can you borrow the ebooks? or lend them?Oct 04 12:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] Uml nooooooOct 04 12:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] SMBH A* is really worth reading http://ur1.ca/1yge0Oct 04 12:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] 100% of my clients w/ renown #TM are typosquatted. I take bets for others. Big business for #typosquatters, big loss for TM holderOct 04 12:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Aproveitei o site http://www.cortardespesas.com/ do #PSD para a !ansol lhes propor o seguinte corte: http://bit.ly/9eABzJOct 04 12:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] This Ryder cup is getting quite exciting.Oct 04 12:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Canada legalizes brothels http://ur1.ca/1yhloOct 04 13:14
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WillWell, this is rather disgusting.  http://kotaku.com/5654739/microsoft-japan-employee-arrested-for-fondling-a-schoolgirlOct 04 13:17
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oiaohmWill: Even been on a japan train.Oct 04 13:19
oiaohmThere is a chance it was pure bad luck.  WillOct 04 13:19
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cubevectoruh, is that really rms telling us brothels are legal in Canada?Oct 04 13:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] Cold pizza is like Jesus rising from the dead, back with superpowers! Yeah!Oct 04 13:27
gnufreex[14:15:42] <Will> Well, this is rather disgusting.  http://kotaku.com/5654739/microsoft-japan-employee-arrested-for-fondling-a-schoolgirlOct 04 13:27
gnufreexNo suprises here, Microsofties are all sick bastards.Oct 04 13:27
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Diablo-D3[08:25:41] <gnufreex> No suprises here, Japanese are all sick bastards.Oct 04 13:28
Diablo-D3fixed.Oct 04 13:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] "registered in your university/college [...] download and access a wide range of Microsoft developer tools, servers, and platforms." iLol'd.Oct 04 13:30
gnufreex Microsotie+japanse= sickoOct 04 13:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] The one time I boot into windows to play a bit of GMod my keyboard decides that I'm freaking Guatemalan and need a layout as such!Oct 04 13:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] Drinking Irn Bru and eating white bread to irritate @rpcuttsOct 04 13:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] When I got back Housemate P was eating his #breakfastOct 04 13:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Wipeout! Google Wave's inevitable crash http://bit.ly/dwYPMi #opensource #collaboration #freedomOct 04 13:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] 10 is the magic number - of Linux gaming compilations http://ping.fm/mjAf8Oct 04 13:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Rethinking Freedom of Information Requests: from Bugzilla to AccessZilla - http://bit.ly/9xkXa4 cool: when can we use it? #bugzilla #foiOct 04 13:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Films and the India Copyright (Amendment) Bill, 2010 - http://bit.ly/cpm01C just in case you were wondering #india #copyrightOct 04 13:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Penguins Old, Penguins New, Penguins Battered and Penguins Blue http://ping.fm/jgn6COct 04 13:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] What's your favourite Clash song?Oct 04 13:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Addictive Linux Game 'Steel Storm' Released ~ Ubuntu Vibes http://ping.fm/mmYMJOct 04 13:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] How To Reboot In Windows From Ubuntu (GRUB 2) ~ Web Upd8 http://ping.fm/l3pLgOct 04 13:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] ♻ @rpcutts: I'm irritated <-- by non-full content RSS feeds!Oct 04 13:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Films and the India Copyright (Amendment) Bill, 2010 - http://bit.ly/cpm01C in case you were wondering #india #copyright /by @glynmoodyOct 04 13:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Auspicious signs for Maverick http://ping.fm/Lx4DIOct 04 13:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Ubucompilator (Easy .deb Creator) 1.0 Beta, Released ~ Web Upd8 http://ping.fm/rpR9QOct 04 13:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Why is the Gates foundation investing in GM giant Monsanto? - http://bit.ly/cDUeK3 maybe the Guardian should have asked this beforeOct 04 13:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: CloudSN: Google Reader, !Identica, Facebook Or Any RSS Feed Notifier (And More) With Messaging Menu Integration http://goo.gl/tG2gOct 04 14:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Google releases first Chrome 7 beta - The H http://ping.fm/OiDE0Oct 04 14:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Silke Helfrich on the #commons and the upcoming International Commons Conference - http://bit.ly/9q5Vh8 great intro to important stuffOct 04 14:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] and for vim and a few other ones...Oct 04 14:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Big Brother frustrated http://ur1.ca/1yjyiOct 04 14:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] #francescomolinari lost with Tiger. But he's great nonetheless. Interviewed now by the official radio.Oct 04 14:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Argo Collection On Spotify - http://bit.ly/9Gp5cj fab to see the great Argo label resurrected thus #spotifyOct 04 14:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] New blog post: #possesa - POSSE South Africa Day 1 http://jan.wildeboer.net/2010/10/possesa-posse-south-africa-day-1/Oct 04 14:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] RT @andyc @davidmarsden Oh God, no. Please, no.Oct 04 14:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] #edoardomolinari 3 ahead @ 15 and right in the middle of the green. We need only 1/2 point to win the Cup. Go EDO, go!Oct 04 14:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lessig/@lessig] The oral version of my #bostonreview piece about the mistake inside #citizensunited. http://bit.ly/dbNlaTOct 04 14:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] and we go down to the 18th with #edoardomolinari, damnit! Go Edo, Go!Oct 04 14:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] “FreeBSD Gets USB 3.0 Support”: http://bit.ly/aUNFSQOct 04 14:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] ACM Tues 10:30 Media Welcome!"Security Analysis of India’s Electronic #Voting Machines" by Halderman/#Prasad/Gongrijjp https://eff.org/r.5s5Oct 04 14:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] #edoardomolinari hits the fairway, Rickie Fowler even left of the rough, where the crowd is. This is a dormie, but we *must* win this one.Oct 04 14:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] #edoardomolinari in the rough after lying up. But that's a good place to be, no backspin. Both are terrific players.Oct 04 14:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Fowler has potted & squared the match. #WTF!!! Great come back by this youngster. #edoardomolinariOct 04 15:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] http://www.google.com/tv/ - This looks like an awesome solution for the current proprietary closed-down settop boxes.Oct 04 15:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Today is last day of #wiesn. Greetz to #wiesngauditv from South Africa! You rock!Oct 04 15:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Google’s New WebP Image Standard Is All About SEO (ZDNet http://zd.net/cYMMv5Oct 04 15:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Newest warning from Homeland security: "The Sun will shine today. We will repeat this warning for as long the risk lasts." :-) #sarcasmOct 04 15:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] #edoardomolinari interviewed by official radio, acknowledges a great match by opponent to come back to a half. Everything can happen nowOct 04 15:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Google's 'instant' search springs keyboard controls • The Register http://bit.ly/cE0h1oOct 04 15:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Mcdowell reaches the pot from the lockers, 2up, 2 to go. Bump, Bump, Bump! #rydercupOct 04 15:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] What government is really for http://ur1.ca/1ymceOct 04 15:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] 17th seems to bee decisive for #rydercup. Can't imagine to survive if it goes to 18th.Oct 04 15:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] Haven't seen Housemate J for like 2 daysOct 04 15:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] That's finished! #rydercupOct 04 15:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] The Amsterdam Animation-studio Blender Institute has published the animation-film Sintel on the Web Free of charge. http://ur1.ca/1weagOct 04 15:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] The one thing Chrome has over Firefox is that you can type 'define:term' in the address bar and it won't think it's a bloody URI.Oct 04 15:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] ♺ @linuxmagNL: Blender-film gratis te downloaden: Animatiestudio Blender Institute heeft de animatiefilm Sintel vr... http://bit.ly/aXH5kaOct 04 15:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] that #blender short film is wicked manOct 04 15:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Great win Europe #rydercup. Wildcards picked up by Monty were shakier than expected, but it's a team victory, always.Oct 04 15:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft Debt is Growing and More #Layoffs Likely Imminent Based on Steve Ballmer's Remarks http://ur1.ca/1ymz5 #sco2 #msftOct 04 15:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] W3C Launches Points of Interest Working Group http://ow.ly/19hwLLOct 04 15:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Hplip 3.10.9 http://ping.fm/00B6oOct 04 15:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] Reading about the Hopi languageOct 04 15:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Video Caller ID [I'd never use it but...] http://ping.fm/3akoFOct 04 15:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] English is, phonologically, very limited. Annoying for learning new languages because there are many sounds without an English counterpart.Oct 04 15:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] Maybe it's that we're less descriptive of pronunciation; this accounts for the massive differences in accent in a relatively small areaOct 04 15:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sixgun/@sixgun] Tonight on Linux Outlaws live: a special guest host and an exclusive announcement. At 18:00 UTC at http://linuxoutlaws.com/liveOct 04 15:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !LO ♻ @sixgun Tonight on Linux Outlaws live: a special guest host and an exclusive announcement. 18:00 UTC at http://linuxoutlaws.com/liveOct 04 15:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] You can see that Welsh evolved for a long time without Anglic influence, and then when the societies became closerOct 04 15:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] For example newer words are the English words but in the Welsh description of the soundOct 04 15:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] This pattern is seen in other Germanic languages but it's less interesting/noticeableOct 04 15:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] Thinking about it said languages just take the whole word and pronounce it different? This would be the opposite of how Welsh does itOct 04 15:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] I will have to investigate further...Oct 04 15:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[reality/@reality] By take the whole word I mean preserve the spellingOct 04 15:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Govt to make FoI data machine readable - http://bit.ly/9ejei0 how about using .ods too, huh? #foi #openstandardsOct 04 15:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft Employee Arrested for Groping Breasts of Underage Girl http://ur1.ca/1ynwa #Microsoft staff 'pulls an Arnold Schwarzenegger'Oct 04 15:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tuxradar/@tuxradar] Your opinions wanted for our next podcast: is Graham wrong about there being too much choice in Linux? http://tinyurl.com/366jrumOct 04 15:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @tuxradar: Well: there's too much choice when you first get on the Linux train, but when you've been riding for a while it seems about rightOct 04 16:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] ♺ @minix3: 3.1.8 officially released! announcement here: http://bit.ly/d35ql0Oct 04 16:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] SBA suspends major contractor GTSI from government work (WaPo) http://wapo.st/bP3EucOct 04 16:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @tuxradar: I didn't see an Oauth login - shame on you :)Oct 04 16:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The ACTA deal - are they faking it? - http://bit.ly/cozNbF "Whatever the outcome, ACTA is very much a counterfeit agreement." ha! #actaOct 04 16:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The first Linux monument in history unveiled in Russia http://goo.gl/Yn6w via @gamerchick02Oct 04 16:10
cubevectorI can't read the clippy jokeOct 04 16:17
cubevectortoo smallOct 04 16:17
amarsh04back in a few, loading new X serverOct 04 16:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Finally off work. :)Oct 04 16:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Software patents "have vague and uncertain boundaries" says Rob Tiller | http://bit.ly/9Qf7R9 #uspto #BilskiOct 04 16:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] #Happy_Birthday, @fsf and thanks for everything. It has been wonderful 25 years! !fsfOct 04 16:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Welcome @w3csysteam the W3C Systems Team!Oct 04 16:47
amarsh04http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-10-04/apple-challenges-625-5-million-mirror-worlds-patent-verdict.htmlOct 04 16:51
amarsh04http://arstechnica.com/apple/news/2010/10/apple-loses-patent-infringement-suit-over-cover-flow-display.arsOct 04 16:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft Puts Wealth in Hands of Cyber-criminals, Cheapens Real Workers http://ur1.ca/1yqre #indoctrinationOct 04 16:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Free Software Foundation is now 25 http://ur1.ca/1yr5f !fsfOct 04 17:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] http://xkcd.com/801/ This is great! :-)Oct 04 17:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The ACTA deal - are they faking it? - http://bit.ly/cozNbF "Whatever the outcome, ACTA is very much a counterfeit agreement." ha! #actaOct 04 17:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Free Software Foundation Turns 25 - http://bit.ly/bcvoXj and needed more than ever #fsf #freedomOct 04 17:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] (Finally) Meeting Mr. Open Source Business - http://bit.ly/aw51iK Larry Augustin, the man who was there at the beginning #opensourceOct 04 17:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @schestowitz #Microsoft Puts Wealth in Hands of Cyber-criminals, Cheapens Real Workers http://ur1.ca/1yqre #indoctrinationOct 04 17:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Just like Texas http://ur1.ca/1yroxOct 04 17:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] A simple yet comprehensive review of the #opencompliance program from Phil Koltun: http://bit.ly/90HfUD #linuxOct 04 17:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joshuagay/@joshuagay] Happy 25th Birthday Free Software Foundation! #fsf #birthdayOct 04 17:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] finished #BrokenSword: Shadow of the Templars - The Director's Cut in about 18 hours total. not bad http://is.gd/fKqewOct 04 17:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] #BrokenSword: SOTT DC did have some bad puzzles... but I can see past it. Also Nico's story does not add much (nothing) to the storylineOct 04 17:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody the Gates-funded Gates article from the Guardian is a whitewash. #TheGuardian turned into a PR front for hire.Oct 04 17:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @glynmoody you actually wrote also "Rebel *Cod*"? ;-) #funnytypoOct 04 17:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @mohanpram “FreeBSD Gets USB 3.0 Support”: http://bit.ly/aUNFSQOct 04 17:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] آر تي @phoebe living well is the best revenge.Oct 04 17:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Now on to playing @Steve_Ince's So Blonde. hope it works as fine from Wine as #BrokenSword DC did.Oct 04 17:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Italy: GOV thinks terrorists w'd go stealth w/ open wi-fi, so require ID 4 access in pub places. Blissful ignorance => stupid lawsOct 04 17:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody they pretend to cover this issue fairly, but the leave out a lot of the gory details and some contextOct 04 17:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] German IRC channels for LibreOffice and The Document Foundation launched: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/msg00647.htmlOct 04 17:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] !ARM has interesting server-like features for #CortexA15 core http://bit.ly/aIEsJd http://bit.ly/cTVytb #virtualization #multithreadingOct 04 17:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] LibreOffice localization mailing list available: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/msg00648.htmlOct 04 17:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] Woman vomiting insects: Could the eating disorder ‘Pica’ be responsible? | Dominica News Online http://ur1.ca/1yszy‘pica’-be-responsible/Oct 04 17:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [tdf-discuss] New Mailinglist: l10n@libreoffice.org .::. Size~: 3.6 KBOct 04 17:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle:   Woman vomiting insects: Could the eating disorder ‘Pica’ be responsible? | Dominica News Online .::. Size~: 34.58 KBOct 04 17:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] I want people to see what #theGuardian published just ~4 days after announcing the 5-year money injection from Gates: http://ur1.ca/1rettOct 04 17:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] This was an "open secret" for months. For those who don't know: I no longer work at !sflc. I'm full time at !Conservancy now. Blog post soonOct 04 17:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #TheGuardian should be pressured to reveal just how manh millions of pounds the #GatesFoundation has just injected into its accountOct 04 17:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle:  Melinda Gates: gods with chequebooks | From the Guardian | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 86.29 KBOct 04 17:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @bkuhn Nice logo for @conservancy. ;)Oct 04 17:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #NPR should be pressured to reveal how many millions of $ the #GatesFoundation paid it. Taxpayers pay for bandwidth, Bill pays for the bias.Oct 04 17:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Kevin Kelly and Steven Johnson on Where Ideas Come From - http://bit.ly/bzQAZh all about #networks & #sharing (via @praxagora)Oct 04 17:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @storming: Horrible! @BryenY was robbed in Barcelona: http://bit.ly/cjkcSp. Help him replace his communication tools: http://bit.ly/diN3HbOct 04 17:55
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: Still devastated | Bryen's Blog and Beyond .::. Size~: 23.07 KBOct 04 17:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] & for those who haven't dug deep into the About page on !Conservancy's new site yet,Spoiler Alert: @fabsh designed our logo! Thanks, @fabsh!Oct 04 17:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @bkuhn It's nice to see the website !CC BY-SA'd. :)Oct 04 17:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Five Things You Need to Know About HTML5 (CIO) http://bit.ly/adfX74Oct 04 17:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Richard Stallman does not pay #npr and #TheGuardian millions of dollars to glorify himself, so on Gates' budget they help vilify his typesOct 04 17:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Alfresco Community 3.4 arrives (H) http://bit.ly/agyMJUOct 04 17:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] MySQL derivative MariaDB 5.2 gamma released, adds virtual columns (H) http://bit.ly/bsnvMcOct 04 18:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Improve your #linux desktop experience with a dock. Today's tutorial form @jlwallen: http://bit.ly/duwlaJOct 04 18:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] IBM Explores Water Management Market (CIO) http://bit.ly/a2G5nMOct 04 18:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] It looks like @jackschofield (aka "Microsoft Jack") is cursing #odf / IBM's @rcweir for not being nice to #OOXMXLOct 04 18:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[charlesschulz/@charlesschulz] ♺ @sankarshan: RT @docufoundation: LibreOffice localization mailing list on!: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/msg00648.htmlOct 04 18:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Mark Zuckerberg Simpsons Appearance Is Hilarious [Video] | The Blog Herald http://bit.ly/cjb7aFOct 04 18:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] French April welcomes The Document Foundation: http://www.april.org/en/april-welcomes-document-foundation-launched-openofficeorg-communityOct 04 18:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn Congratulations! This is not #disturbing news!Oct 04 18:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana, I suppose "this is not #disturbing news" is a @fontana version of a ringing endorsement? At least, I hope that it is! :)Oct 04 18:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @joabj ood article on HTML5Oct 04 18:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] curious about Logitech's Revue. wondering what #BigG can bring to the TV... an area where #TheSteve failed! will it ever be in China?!?Oct 04 18:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Fast and loose http://ur1.ca/1ytv3Oct 04 18:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] "Running Windows on a Pentium is like having a brand new Porsche but only be able to drive backwards with the handbrake on. " -- AnonymousOct 04 18:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] ♺ @raphaelhertzog: Can #Debian offer a Constantly Usable Testing distribution? - http://bit.ly/dpJ8yDOct 04 18:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @evan “How to OStatus-enable Your Application” — http://ostatus.org/2010/10/04/how-ostatus-enable-your-application #ostatus #fswOct 04 18:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @joabj s/ood/Good/Oct 04 18:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @jzb All this fuss about the New Twitter. Eh. Not sure it's an improvement. < well, basically it's just a widescreen view of your tweetsOct 04 18:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Security advisories for Monday http://lwn.net/Articles/408365/rssOct 04 18:37
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MinceRgeekingsOct 04 18:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Macbuntu - Make your Ubuntu look like Mac OSX http://ur1.ca/1yuw3 For people who insist they want a #Mac and not !Linux due to looksOct 04 18:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] RT @spot My fav qotd: "it's a LOT cheaper to hire some 70's sitcom star to fight giant mutated spider-frogs than to tie up Atlantis' sto ...Oct 04 18:52
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/josephtartakoff/statuses/26115501945 "Microsoft quietly bought virtual world Vivaty this summer,"Oct 04 18:57
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schestowitzAhhh..Oct 04 18:57
schestowitz14 more...?Oct 04 18:57
balroghello, schestowitzOct 04 18:59
MinceRmicrosoft: where projects go to dieOct 04 18:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] To my knowledge, #rydercup is the only competition where "Europe" is a team. Know of no othersOct 04 19:04
schestowitzHiOct 04 19:05
schestowitzMinceR: bad newsOct 04 19:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] A visually impaired !GNOME a11y hacker was robbed on his way to a hackfest: bit.ly/cjkcSp Please consider donating to help him bit.ly/diN3HbOct 04 19:05
schestowitzThe employees took over Yahoo!Oct 04 19:05
MinceRwhat does that mean?Oct 04 19:06
schestowitzTHe employees -unlike products- don't dieOct 04 19:06
schestowitzMinceR: you'll see my post laterOct 04 19:06
schestowitzVery annoyingOct 04 19:06
schestowitzSee my next dent   vvvOct 04 19:06
MinceReventually even the employees dieOct 04 19:06
schestowitzIt takes longerOct 04 19:08
MinceRindeedOct 04 19:08
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/53613640#notice-54068263 "@schestowitz I don't like Mac looks. And are Mac looks customizable?"Oct 04 19:08
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MinceR:>Oct 04 19:08
schestowitzMinceR: project lifespans are many 10 yearsOct 04 19:08
cubevectorcoca cola is still alive :)Oct 04 19:08
schestowitz*maybeOct 04 19:08
schestowitzDependent on the fieldOct 04 19:08
MinceRsure, if you pay a lot, they're customizable ...and things might break, just like they break when you try to customize winblows.Oct 04 19:09
schestowitzcubevector: not with the cocaine anymore :-)Oct 04 19:09
schestowitzThey kept the nameOct 04 19:09
cubevectoryeah they should just call it sugar waterOct 04 19:09
MinceRfor example visual studio 2005 is such a pile of shit its GUI becomes nearly unusable if you enable x-mouseOct 04 19:09
cubevectorMinceR is using a microsoft product??Oct 04 19:09
MinceRthough i thought canonical was already working on making ubuntu look like osxOct 04 19:10
balrogisn't X-Mouse unsupported?Oct 04 19:10
MinceRcubevector: sadly, sometimes i have toOct 04 19:10
schestowitz"@josephtartakoff thanks for the reports on Yahoo! Good job."Oct 04 19:10
balrog(in windows)Oct 04 19:10
MinceRbalrog: it probably isOct 04 19:10
MinceRbut there was absolutely no point to breaking itOct 04 19:10
balrogit's unsupported in most any OS that doesn't use XOct 04 19:10
MinceRthat's part of why all OS-es that don't use X invariably suck. :>Oct 04 19:10
balrogMinceR: they probably didn't know they broke it...Oct 04 19:10
balrogI don't like X for one reason among others: way too heavyOct 04 19:11
MinceRthey made the VS window come to the top whenever you mouse over itOct 04 19:11
balrogby "they didn't know" I mean they changed somethingOct 04 19:11
MinceRoopsOct 04 19:11
MinceRwhenever it receives focusOct 04 19:11
MinceRwhich is absolutely pointlessOct 04 19:11
balrogand they didn't bother to test with X, since it's unsupportedOct 04 19:11
MinceRsince by default the only way it receives focus is when you click on it, which raises it anywayOct 04 19:11
balrogerr, X-MouseOct 04 19:11
cubevectorhttp://cubexyz.blogspot.com/2010/10/features-of-konsole.htmlOct 04 19:11
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MinceRthey developed x-mouseOct 04 19:11
MinceRit's a registry setting you can set with tweakui :>Oct 04 19:12
cubevectortried OpenBSD today... it's very spartanOct 04 19:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Hated the new IMDB. Looks instead of objectivity.Oct 04 19:12
balrogMinceR: exactly, TweakUI is 100% unsupportedOct 04 19:12
cubevectorHaiku just wouldn't work for me on that boxOct 04 19:12
MinceRbalrog: winblows GUI is 100% crapOct 04 19:12
MinceR(btw so is osx gui)Oct 04 19:12
*cubevector doesn't use Microsoft Products, not even at workOct 04 19:13
*MinceR envies cubevector Oct 04 19:13
*balrog is playing around with really old Mac hardwareOct 04 19:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] #foggia: !daunialug (#DauniaLUG) Benvenuti! su Identi.ca! :)Oct 04 19:14
balrogI use a mix of operating systems. CLI Linux all the timeOct 04 19:14
*Diablo-D3 periodically uses windows for the lulzOct 04 19:14
balrogMinceR: one thing no one except Apple seems to get right is drag-and-dropOct 04 19:14
MinceRwell, at least being periodically forced to use m$ products i don't forget how utterly, insufferably, unmanageably shitty they all areOct 04 19:14
balroglike dragging a file onto an application to open that file with that applicationOct 04 19:14
cubevectorhehOct 04 19:15
balrogthat feature was implemented back in 1991 in System 7Oct 04 19:15
MinceRbalrog: i think the only OS that did drag-and-drop correctly was Arthur/RISC OSOct 04 19:15
MinceRwith drag-and-drop savingOct 04 19:15
cubevectorbring back Arthur!Oct 04 19:15
MinceRi wish common gnu/linux apps supported drag-and-drop saving :)Oct 04 19:15
balrogdefine "drag-and-drop saving"Oct 04 19:15
MinceRthe save dialog asks for a name and has an icon you can drop on a folder windowOct 04 19:15
MinceRwhen you drop it there, the file is saved thereOct 04 19:16
balrogI haven't used it, but I can see why it may be too unintuitive for the general consumerOct 04 19:16
balrogi.e. non-engineerOct 04 19:16
*MinceR is not a general consumerOct 04 19:16
balrogneither am IOct 04 19:16
balrogbut 90+% of users areOct 04 19:16
cubevectorany FOSS OS is good reallyOct 04 19:17
balrogand if you make software too hard to use, people won't buy itOct 04 19:17
MinceRthough i suspect that "drag onto application" works with most GUIsOct 04 19:17
balrogthe GUIs still have work to be doneOct 04 19:17
cubevectoryou don't like it, you can change itOct 04 19:17
*MinceR uses it regularly with GimpOct 04 19:17
balrogit's way better than a few years agoOct 04 19:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] One more try: Oh !Canada "ACTA W5" http://whoacanada.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/acta-w5/ !copyright !billc32Oct 04 19:17
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balrogMinceR: they type system is also a mess. some months ago I had to resort to stuff I shouldn't have to get files to open with the correct app. Minor complaints, and still better in Linux than in Windows (with hkey_classes_root), but why imitate windows? that's what I don't getOct 04 19:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Urgent: stop US censorship http://ur1.ca/1yvphOct 04 19:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sixgun/@sixgun] Linux Outlaws are live now with special guest Ade of LugRadio fame! http://linuxoutlaws.com/liveOct 04 19:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !lo ♺ @sixgun: Linux Outlaws are live now with special guest Ade of LugRadio fame! http://linuxoutlaws.com/liveOct 04 19:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] AOL has just killed #Propeller with noi prior warning. #failOct 04 19:19
MinceRdunno, that too worked for meOct 04 19:19
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MinceRthough it's DE-dependentOct 04 19:19
balrogit works until you need to change stuffOct 04 19:19
MinceRi'm more familiar with how KDE does it than with othersOct 04 19:19
MinceRi did change stuff and it still workedOct 04 19:19
balrogit all depends on the programOct 04 19:19
balrogI like consistency. Linux is way way more consistent than windowsOct 04 19:20
balrogstill could be cleaner, but I guess I'm complaining too muchOct 04 19:20
MinceRthere probably are many things that no OS-es/windowing systems get rightOct 04 19:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Propeller shows why social networks and #FogComputing are a risk.One day you just can't access your messages, submissions.. ANYTHING. EVER.Oct 04 19:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Can #identica and #twitter guarantee that they won't just suddently announce shutdown one day? What about #reddit #digg #facebook etc.?Oct 04 19:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Why Have So Many Companies Settled Over Ridiculous Patent For 'Online Music Distribution'? - http://bit.ly/bUp6s8 sick system #patentsOct 04 19:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] My #FogComputing cautionary tale: submitted about 24,000 stories, all vanished overnight without warning, just an apology. #shutdown #cloudOct 04 19:24
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cubevectorummOct 04 19:24
cubevectorLinux really isn't all that consistentOct 04 19:24
cubevectorit's all about choiceOct 04 19:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Has #identica yet implemented a feature for exporting one's entire user history in a way that makes it displayable/usable? And #twitter ...Oct 04 19:25
cubevectorit's more like the old Unix philsophy of everything being modularOct 04 19:25
balroghmm. but what would Linux, or even Unix, be without the POSIX standards?Oct 04 19:26
balrogor some baseline standardsOct 04 19:26
cubevectortrueOct 04 19:26
balrogthat would be too much choiceOct 04 19:26
balrogI don't mind different windowing environmentsOct 04 19:26
balrogwhat I do mind is when I can't even figure out why stuff doesn't open like it shouldOct 04 19:26
MinceRyou can still choose to ignore the standards if you want toOct 04 19:26
cubevectorI suppose if you wanted more choice beyond that you can go for a different but still FOSS OSOct 04 19:26
balrogthough personally I use Linux for CLI where most of this doesn't matterOct 04 19:26
cubevectorAROS, Haiku, OpenBSD, etc, etcOct 04 19:27
balrogI'm running Debian Squeeze on this ARM-based SheevaplugOct 04 19:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Visually impaired Gnome hacker robbed on the way to conference !outlawstory http://bit.ly/bMFOPgOct 04 19:27
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balrogAFAIK it's all free software all the way down to the hardware levelOct 04 19:27
balrogeven bootloader and allOct 04 19:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @schestowitz I'm not a tech person but would assume it should be possible to transfer into own status net app (I believe it is free/libre)Oct 04 19:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @laurelrusswurm first thing I did when I joined #identica was check I could export just in case. At the time there was no such option.Oct 04 19:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @comzeradd this is why identi.ca should have an export feature, since statusnet supports federationOct 04 19:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @agentsmith noOct 04 19:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] @schestowitz I think import and transfer (history and subscriptions) are on the agenda.Oct 04 19:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz Ahh, but what posts disappeared then ?Oct 04 19:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rt @schestowitz RT @comzeradd this is why identi.ca should have an export !feature, since statusnet supports federation <<feature groupOct 04 19:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] So #AOL has money for Microsoft-funded Arrington http://ur1.ca/1yw1p but not for a site with like a million members?Oct 04 19:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] Italian IRC Channels for The Document Foundation and LibreOffice available: http://www.documentfoundation.org/lists/discuss/msg00658.htmlOct 04 19:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @agentsmith all the profiles in #propeller (another site)Oct 04 19:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] One last !StopUBB post: Did !ACTA Pass? http://stopusagebasedbilling.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/did-acta-pass/Oct 04 19:55
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schestowitzhttp://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2010/09/new_attack_agai_1.htmlOct 04 19:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @laurelrusswurm One last !StopUBB post: Did !ACTA Pass? http://stopusagebasedbilling.wordpress.com/2010/10/04/did-acta-pass/Oct 04 19:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] <<last political post 'til my !InconstantMoon polish is done. !listening to @timlouisjazz ... "Untrue" http://www.timlouis.com/Oct 04 19:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] New Fedora Linux Project Leader Building More Than a Distro (CIO Update) http://lwn.net/Articles/408409/rssOct 04 20:09
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hazzyHaha, cool, good that some people realize that ACTA is just unacceptableOct 04 20:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @FFII Vrijschrift: ACTA's secrecy is illegal http://78.46.111.154/wordpress/?p=23 #actaOct 04 20:12
hazzyMicrosoft's market cap may go below 200B at this rateOct 04 20:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Adding hay to the stack http://ur1.ca/1ywjqOct 04 20:19
schestowitzHere is a metaphor for ACTA: http://www.boingboing.net/2010/09/30/why-carrion-beetles.htmlOct 04 20:23
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schestowitzhazzy: it was already below thatOct 04 20:23
schestowitzNear $15 (the stock)Oct 04 20:23
schestowitzGS downgraded MSFTOct 04 20:24
hazzyOh, where do you get this information from?Oct 04 20:24
schestowitzWhich info?Oct 04 20:24
schestowitzNBCOct 04 20:24
hazzyThe 200BOct 04 20:24
schestowitzOn TVOct 04 20:24
hazzyAh, okOct 04 20:24
schestowitzThose market caps don't mean muchOct 04 20:24
schestowitzIf you consider how they get calculated...Oct 04 20:24
hazzyWell, agreedOct 04 20:24
schestowitzAAPL is overrated for exampleOct 04 20:25
schestowitzhttp://www.boingboing.net/2010/10/01/lego-wedding-ring.htmlOct 04 20:26
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MinceRawesomeOct 04 20:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Maybe MSFT and AAPL will join hands more publicly again (like they did over a decade ago) to battle against common threats. !ibm !linuxOct 04 20:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @schestowitz RT @FFII Vrijschrift: ACTA's secrecy is illegal http://78.46.111.154/wordpress/?p=23 #actaOct 04 20:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] ♺ @techglance: Verizon gets official with Wireless Fivespot mobile hotspot, touts awful global roaming plans http://bit.ly/dlDGTdOct 04 20:30
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schestowitzhttp://radar.oreilly.com/2010/09/amazon-building-their-own-andr.htmlOct 04 20:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] New poll: How do you get most of the new content published on opensource.com? | Vote now: http://bit.ly/dboLbXOct 04 20:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] via @wfud: save the date for 2nd Annual World's Fair Use Day in DC January 13, 2011. Hosted by @publicknowledge http://wfud.infoOct 04 20:32
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schestowitz[20:27] <MinceR> awesomeOct 04 20:32
schestowitzThe plastic one is betterOct 04 20:32
schestowitzIn a civil serviceOct 04 20:32
schestowitzSame certificate but cheaperOct 04 20:33
schestowitzAnd if some strange enticing woman asks, you can say you're only "married to a brick"Oct 04 20:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz Ahh, ok. ;-)Oct 04 20:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Esse é o PT de Lula: Apoio incondicional à Família Sarney. E alguém duvidava ??? http://bit.ly/bvYOMwOct 04 20:39
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dyfet`schestowitz: i may have an interesting article for you :)Oct 04 20:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] I'm going live onto !lo shortly to discuss my new position at !Conservancy (& anything else they ask me about). http://65.60.11.2:8216/liveOct 04 20:40
dyfet`it is a letter being sent overnight to the wh, and there is a story being published about it tomorrow, so I have to embargo the letter until then, but I am looking for someone who might want the oppertunity to first publish it :)Oct 04 20:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mairin: help name #fedora 15! got a good idea for a codename? http://ur1.ca/1yvyb <= suggestions welcomed!Oct 04 20:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] used dosfslabel on phone’s SD Card, it creamed w/e fake dir entry #android uses for ‘secure app storage’, had to reinstall 30 apps… #hmphOct 04 20:42
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*Chips_B_Malroy (~username@nv-76-3-157-174.dhcp.embarqhsd.net) has joined #techrightsOct 04 20:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !WorksWithU: !Ubuntu Community Reaches Out to Windows XP Orphans http://goo.gl/aEYpOct 04 20:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mpwoodward Macbuntu - Make Ubuntu look like OSX http://ur1.ca/1yuw3 For people who insist they want a #Mac and not !Linux due to looksOct 04 20:47
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://business.financialpost.com/2010/10/04/status-quo-not-enough-for-mircosoft-goldman-sachs/Oct 04 20:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Quem vota Dilma, vota Sarney+Temer+Calheiros. http://www.acessepiaui.com.br/files/imagens/fotos/14062010091754772019f0230c.jpgOct 04 20:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @docufoundation: German IRC channels for LibreOffice and The Document Foundation launched: http://tinyurl.com/369h6fpOct 04 20:49
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Chips_B_Malroy"The New York-based investment bank removed Microsoft from its Americas Buy list and lowered its outlook for the company?s stock to neutral on Sunday. Citing poor returns for 2010 so far, an insufficient dividend and increasing market share of tablet PCs, to the detriment of notebooks and desktops, the bank also lowered its price target from US$32 per share down to US$28."Oct 04 20:50
cubevectorha ha!Oct 04 20:50
*cubevector does a NelsonOct 04 20:50
Chips_B_Malroy"The company has posted a negative 13% return on its shares since being added to the Americas Buy list in August 2008 and since the beginning of 2010, Microsoft has suffered a 27% drop in its multiple compression compared to a 1% decline for the entire S&P 500. Those are not the only concerns cited by Ms. Friar as reasons for the downgrade, only the most recent."Oct 04 20:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] Happy 25th birthday to the !FSF - Thank you for defending and fighting for the freedom of all computer users !GNU !LPOct 04 20:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mapopa: #Firebird news: Firebird 2.5 (final) released: http://ht.ly/2O9pOOct 04 20:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Para quem está indeciso no segundo turno http://bit.ly/biIgeZOct 04 20:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] nsisodiya: @chris_tyler Hi, nice to see you on twitter, now following you thanx. http://bit.ly/al598iOct 04 20:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @bob_sutor: #Python testing frameworks: Selecting and running tests- #Zope - py.test - nose > http://su.pr/1RF05X #UNIX #AIX ...Oct 04 20:52
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Chips_B_Malroy"?Since 2002 Microsoft has had a -8% return on dividends-reinvested basis, the second-worst of the largest dividend-paying tech stocks,? she said."Oct 04 20:52
MinceR:>Oct 04 20:53
Chips_B_Malroy"While the company raised its dividend 23% to 16 cents per share (or 2.6% of cash flow) just two weeks ago, Ms. Friar argues that is still barely half the yield necessary to boost share value."Oct 04 20:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @docufoundation: Italian IRC Channels for The Document Foundation and LibreOffice available: http://tinyurl.com/37tbp6xOct 04 20:54
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schestowitzdyfet`: yes, pleaseOct 04 20:54
dyfet`what is the best email address to send you a copy?Oct 04 20:55
schestowitzr at schestowitz comOct 04 20:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Jason Perlow: If can't compete with Android, litigate it http://zd.net/b2qcFSOct 04 20:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: DockBarX Gets Closer To Version 0.40 Stable http://goo.gl/gNY4Oct 04 20:55
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Android in the cross-hairs: if you can't compete with it, litigate it | ZDNet  .::. Size~: 140.69 KBOct 04 20:55
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Chips_B_Malroy"The main reason Goldman Sachs is going bearish on Microsoft seems related to the company?s total lack of presence in the rapidly expanding mobile market. Despite Microsoft?s expected entry into that market coming as soon as next week, Ms. Friar is not holding out much hope that will provide the immediate turnaround necessary for the once titan of tech."Oct 04 20:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @docufoundation: French #April welcomes The Document Foundation: http://tinyurl.com/35249z8 #France #oooOct 04 20:57
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Chips_B_Malroy"The note also points to a recent survey, which found a slower refresh rate of new laptop and desktop PCs was being caused by increased adoption rates of tablet devices like the Apple iPad."Oct 04 20:57
Chips_B_Malroy"?We do not believe a Windows 7 tablet built on an Intel processor is currently able to compete,? said Ms. Friar in no uncertain terms."Oct 04 20:58
Chips_B_MalroyA really good article and link if you have not already seen it Roy.  I left a lot out.Oct 04 20:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 2 Brothers Await Broad Use of Medical E-Records http://ur1.ca/1yx7n Very dangerous letting private companies have control hereOct 04 21:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @dpic: Happy 25th birthday to the #FSF - Thank you for defending and fighting for the freedom of all computer users #GNU #LPOct 04 21:02
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.thestockmasters.com/msft-10042010Oct 04 21:02
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Chips_B_Malroy"Microsoft Corp. (NASDAQ:MSFT) shares are trading today just $1.13 away from its 52-week low of $22.73. "Oct 04 21:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] A great sick note http://www.pop.is/1ejg2Oct 04 21:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] Free Software Foundation compie 25 anni: http://www.fsf.org Happy birthday to GNUUUU :) !lpitaliaOct 04 21:05
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Chips_B_MalroyOk, what is this paid apprentice program for 16 to 18 year olds in Britian?  http://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/jobs/8042112/Microsoft-warns-Government-not-to-cut-apprenticeship-funding-for-firms.htmlOct 04 21:06
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Chips_B_MalroyIt looks like MS is being paid by taxpayers to put children to work?Oct 04 21:06
Chips_B_MalroyIs this so?Oct 04 21:07
dyfet`schestowitz: sentOct 04 21:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Microsoft Corp. (NASDAQ:MSFT) shares are trading today just $1.13 away from its 52-week low of $22.73." http://ur1.ca/1yxbwOct 04 21:07
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Chips_B_Malroy"Mr Frazer said Microsoft?s UK partners ? a network of IT and software companies affiliated with the computer giant ? currently offered some 3,000 technical apprenticeships to 16 to 18-year-olds, fully funded by the state."Oct 04 21:07
Chips_B_Malroy"Several companies including Rolls-Royce, British Gas and Caterpillar offer hundreds of engineering and manufacturing apprenticeships to under-18s, relying on taxpayers? money to pay for the full cost of the course. "Oct 04 21:09
Chips_B_Malroy"Wiping out funds or asking employers to pay more towards apprenticeships could put businesses off hiring people under the scheme, Mr Frazer warned. "Oct 04 21:10
MinceRwhat's the full list of those "m$ partners"?Oct 04 21:10
MinceR(just so i know whom not to buy stuff from)Oct 04 21:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Wiretapping the Internet https://eff.org/r.s97Oct 04 21:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jra/@jra] Interview with Rick Wheeler at LinuxCon Brazil is here: http://google-opensource.blogspot.com/2010/10/ric-wheeler-is-file-system-group.htmlOct 04 21:12
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Chips_B_MalroyWell, I know young people have to start somewhere, but if the taxpayers pick up the full amount, then these companies in effect get free taxpayers supported child labor, which replaces and adult worker.  And most of these MS and MS partner companies can afford to pay.Oct 04 21:12
schestowitzdyfet`: ACK, editingOct 04 21:13
Chips_B_MalroyWhat were they thinking?  It smells like a handout to rich corporations to me.Oct 04 21:14
schestowitzadding wh picOct 04 21:14
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/finance/comment/ambroseevans_pritchard/8039789/IMF-admits-that-the-West-is-stuck-in-near-depression.htmlOct 04 21:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Free as in free beer. #Linux training webinar avail now: Intro to #Git: http://bit.ly/8ZlflvOct 04 21:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Ubuntu Translations Interviews: Gábor Kelemen (Hungarian Translation Team) http://goo.gl/peW2 !ubuntu #locoteamsOct 04 21:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Who needs them anyway http://ur1.ca/1yxi1Oct 04 21:20
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ubuntu Translations Interviews: Gábor Kelemen (Hungarian Translation Team) | The Fridge .::. Size~: 13.85 KBOct 04 21:20
schestowitzdyfet`: typos reportOct 04 21:23
schestowitzadmistrations-> n'sOct 04 21:23
schestowitzwho's->whoseOct 04 21:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lubuntu/@lubuntu] Lubuntu Screencast: Hotot http://tinyurl.com/29g28jpOct 04 21:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Software Freedom Conservancy appoints Kuhn as full-time executive director http://lwn.net/Articles/408433/rssOct 04 21:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Lubuntu Screencast: Hotot | lubuntu .::. Size~: 22.61 KBOct 04 21:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Software Freedom Conservancy appoints Kuhn as full-time executive director [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 6.69 KBOct 04 21:24
dyfet`I think people will find this very interesting tomorrow morning :)Oct 04 21:25
schestowitzNaughty citizenOct 04 21:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Seigo: on the impending future of ui greatnesses http://lwn.net/Articles/408436/rssOct 04 21:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Seigo: on the impending future of ui greatnesses [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 6.54 KBOct 04 21:29
schestowitzTell me if you spot more errors/typos, I can still edit http://techrights.org/2010/10/04/david-sugar-to-obama/Oct 04 21:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: GNU Telephony Addresses President Obama | Techrights .::. Size~: 87.89 KBOct 04 21:30
Chips_B_MalroyShouldn't sixteen and seventeen year olds be in school?Oct 04 21:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] No court order for Gallant Macmillan today! http://tinyurl.com/3x2pzp8 !piracy !tpb !piratebay !bittorrent !p2p !acslawOct 04 21:32
TechrightsBot-trTitle: No Court order for Gallant Macmillan today!  « OpenBytes .::. Size~: 42.46 KBOct 04 21:32
dyfet`Good question...checking, but I very much like what was done with this....Oct 04 21:32
Chips_B_MalroyAt that age what talents could you have that MS and it partners want to exploit with free taxpayers money?  It seens like some sort of sweatshop work I bet.Oct 04 21:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Raphaël Hertzog: Can !Debian offer a Constantly Usable Testing distribution? http://goo.gl/8mhSOct 04 21:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Can Debian offer a Constantly Usable Testing distribution? | apt-get install debian-wizard .::. Size~: 52.92 KBOct 04 21:34
hazzyschestowitz: Good article! No typos.Oct 04 21:36
hazzyOh god no...Oct 04 21:38
hazzyhttp://hoowstuffworks.blogspot.com/2010/04/apples-ikey-to-replace-door-key.htmlOct 04 21:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Apple's 'iKey' to replace the door key | I Didn't Know That! .::. Size~: 89.68 KBOct 04 21:38
qu1j0t3"What could possibly go wrong?"Oct 04 21:39
MinceRlolOct 04 21:40
gnufreexIs this for real? I think it is a jokeOct 04 21:40
schestowitzlollypopOct 04 21:40
MinceRcrApple gives new meaning to the term "lock-in"Oct 04 21:40
schestowitzlollipopOct 04 21:40
gnufreexlolOct 04 21:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] ♺ @usul: Mapping a web browser to GPS coordinates via router XSS + Google Location Services without prompting the user http://is.gd/fKKzzOct 04 21:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] ♻ @nekohayo @novacut !PiTiVi always wanted "assets management" and collab editing, just not yet implemented. @jgderose @frmdrtOct 04 21:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] ♻ @nekohayo @novacut see www.nd.gd/5v and www.nd.gd/5w and www.nd.gd/5x Join the dark side and we will rule the galaxy @jgderose @frmdrtOct 04 21:40
TechrightsBot-trTitle: samy's geolocation proof of concept .::. Size~: 6.79 KBOct 04 21:40
schestowitzlike the iRackOct 04 21:40
schestowitziwreckOct 04 21:41
schestowitziwrack iraq w/ iRackOct 04 21:41
MinceRiRanOct 04 21:41
schestowitziSatOct 04 21:42
schestowitziPoopOct 04 21:42
MinceRiSraelOct 04 21:42
schestowitziScoopOct 04 21:42
gnufreexiTalyOct 04 21:42
schestowitziFlushOct 04 21:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] RT @MPINAF: Panel on "Opening Up Technology in Service of Teaching" at @NewAmerica October 18th http://bit.ly/cAITqq #OER #OTIOct 04 21:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Opening Up Technology in Service of Teaching | NewAmerica.net .::. Size~: 41.62 KBOct 04 21:42
schestowitziOnOct 04 21:42
gnufreexiGroan, iBad (iPhone, iPadOct 04 21:42
schestowitztrademark?Oct 04 21:42
schestowitziOSOct 04 21:42
hazzyiBallOct 04 21:42
MinceRIOSOct 04 21:43
schestowitzI/OSOct 04 21:43
gnufreexi/os is IBMOct 04 21:43
MinceRiSpyWithMyLittleIOct 04 21:43
schestowitziOOct 04 21:43
schestowitzI/OOct 04 21:43
schestowitziOct 04 21:43
Chips_B_MalroyiBSDOct 04 21:43
schestowitztrademark!Oct 04 21:43
MinceRIOS is fiasco systemsOct 04 21:43
gnufreexMinceR: Never heardOct 04 21:43
schestowitz don't th nk t's fa rOct 04 21:43
MinceRgnufreex: they put it on their routersOct 04 21:43
schestowitzThey patented the l neOct 04 21:43
gnufreexMinceR: That is CiscoOct 04 21:43
MinceRyesOct 04 21:44
schestowitzC scoOct 04 21:44
MinceRalso known as Fiasco SystemsOct 04 21:44
schestowitziDenticaOct 04 21:44
gnufreexOkay, change letterOct 04 21:44
gnufreexeMacOct 04 21:44
MinceReVerythingOct 04 21:44
gnufreexeRaqOct 04 21:44
gnufreexemacsOct 04 21:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] If the Apple fans did to identi.ca what they did to Digg, it would be called iDenticaOct 04 21:45
MinceRiDgg?Oct 04 21:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Logging of !Ubuntu #LoCoTeams core channels http://goo.gl/0DGAOct 04 21:47
Chips_B_Malroythe iFart appOct 04 21:48
schestowitzhttp://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100927/10481011183/feds-pushing-for-new-legally-required-wiretap-backdoor-to-all-internet-communications.shtmlOct 04 21:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Feds Pushing For New Legally Required Wiretap Backdoor To All Internet Communications | Techdirt .::. Size~: 92.57 KBOct 04 21:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Free Software Foundation Turns 25 http://ping.fm/3dbysOct 04 21:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Slashdot News Story | Free Software Foundation Turns 25 .::. Size~: 155.7 KBOct 04 21:49
schestowitzApple customer have high iDOct 04 21:49
schestowitzABCDEFGHiJK...Oct 04 21:49
schestowitzThey can't help making lines shorterOct 04 21:50
schestowitzReflection on oneselfOct 04 21:50
schestowitzThey also cut it in half,Oct 04 21:50
schestowitzhttp://www.bbc.co.uk/newsbeat/11388044Oct 04 21:51
schestowitzArrrr..Oct 04 21:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BBC - Newsbeat - Elbow: 'Music pirates are going to hell' .::. Size~: 39.87 KBOct 04 21:51
schestowitzpirates? Where?Oct 04 21:51
Chips_B_MalroySomaliaOct 04 21:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Well off to bed !needsleep goodnight everybody.Oct 04 21:52
MinceRyarr!Oct 04 21:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL! That !LO was fun! Thanks @opensourcegeek!Oct 04 21:54
schestowitz"RT @schestowitz GNU Telephony Addresses President Obama http://ur1.ca/1yxlj Letter to the president from David Sugar, #GNU Telephony Project" http://twitter.com/#!/opensourcerer/status/26394085880Oct 04 21:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: GNU Telephony Addresses President Obama | Techrights .::. Size~: 87.96 KBOct 04 21:54
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Chips_B_MalroyStill waiting to see 'Pirates of Silcon Valley' yetOct 04 21:55
qu1j0t3mistitled. "Criminals of Silicon Valley" closerOct 04 21:55
hazzyGood movie, thatOct 04 21:55
Chips_B_Malroynow there be some real IP infringersOct 04 21:56
schestowitzhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/24/cia_netezza/Oct 04 21:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: CIA used 'illegal, inaccurate code to target kill drones' • The Register .::. Size~: 28.35 KBOct 04 21:56
schestowitzObamadrone?Oct 04 21:56
schestowitz<Chips_B_Malroy> SomaliaOct 04 21:57
schestowitzah, they make music there?Oct 04 21:57
MinceRmaybe the pirates listen to musicOct 04 21:57
Chips_B_Malroyprobably that is against their strict interpertation of their religion, music that isOct 04 21:58
schestowitzhttp://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100923/01464111127/more-stories-of-people-arrested-for-making-joke-threats-on-social-networks.shtmlOct 04 21:58
TechrightsBot-trTitle: More Stories Of People Arrested For Making Joke Threats On Social Networks | Techdirt .::. Size~: 89.45 KBOct 04 21:58
schestowitzThe day humour diedOct 04 21:58
zoobabhiOct 04 21:58
hazzyHayOct 04 21:58
schestowitz[21:58] <zoobab> EU Presidency lied about open source and patentsOct 04 21:59
schestowitzHow so?Oct 04 21:59
schestowitzYou can now message Neelie on TwitterOct 04 21:59
schestowitzHer Wordpress blog blocks commentsOct 04 21:59
schestowitzBTWOct 04 21:59
schestowitz@horaciog  at twitterOct 04 21:59
zoobabthey are too oldOct 04 21:59
zoobabnot an internet generationOct 04 21:59
schestowitzSend some messages his way about #swpats and let him know how you feelOct 04 22:00
schestowitzzoobab: right!Oct 04 22:00
zoobabhttp://media.ffii.org/RtbfMatinPremiere100930/Oct 04 22:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Index of /RtbfMatinPremiere100930 .::. Size~: 0.73 KBOct 04 22:00
dyfet`I am not too worried about the embargo being broken, the other story is going out tonight also it seems :)Oct 04 22:00
schestowitz'Naughty' citizens...Oct 04 22:00
schestowitz"blood on their hands"Oct 04 22:00
schestowitzqu1j0t3: dyfet`is a very naughty citizensOct 04 22:01
schestowitzHe doesn't think his govt. knows bestOct 04 22:01
dyfet`It's by my new favorite reporter from the examinerOct 04 22:01
schestowitzqu1j0t3: We should send dissidents to mental clinics, cause obviously they don'tobey orderOct 04 22:01
zoobabwhat is the good too in GTK to clip videos?Oct 04 22:02
schestowitzdyfet`: the one who did the IE-Obama story?Oct 04 22:02
zoobabkdenlive sucks my cpu hereOct 04 22:02
dyfet`Yes the very sameOct 04 22:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] ♺ @techglance: Girl Drinks Own Brain Fluid To Stop Migraines http://bit.ly/ay36oVOct 04 22:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Girl Drinks Own Brain Fluid To Stop Migraines - Geekologie .::. Size~: 53.33 KBOct 04 22:02
schestowitzzoobab: I couldn't figure out even how to clip with itOct 04 22:02
schestowitzAnd I tried for a long timeOct 04 22:02
Chips_B_MalroyavidemuxOct 04 22:03
schestowitzhttp://weblogs.baltimoresun.com/news/crime/blog/2010/09/motorcyclist_wins_taping_case.htmlOct 04 22:03
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Baltimore Crime Beat: Motorcyclist wins taping case against state police  - Baltimore crime news: Police, courts and police stories in the city and central Maryland - baltimoresun.com .::. Size~: 128.02 KBOct 04 22:03
schestowitzCops are GODSOct 04 22:03
qu1j0t3schestowitz: WITH CHEQUEBOOKSOct 04 22:03
schestowitzThey are like DUKE NUKEMOct 04 22:03
schestowitzqu1j0t3: GODOct 04 22:03
schestowitzwith moneyOct 04 22:03
schestowitzMoney->brings you closer to "God"Oct 04 22:04
*m1k11e (~quassel@109-92-48-207.dynamic.isp.telekom.rs) has joined #techrightsOct 04 22:04
Chips_B_MalroyThe is curious, why does Kevin turner make about 5x the pay of his boss Ballmer?Oct 04 22:04
schestowitzhttp://ur1.ca/1rettOct 04 22:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle:  Melinda Gates: gods with chequebooks | From the Guardian | The Guardian  .::. Size~: 85.74 KBOct 04 22:04
schestowitzSponsored by GatesOct 04 22:04
schestowitzThey borrows the Guardian for a bit :-)Oct 04 22:04
schestowitz*edOct 04 22:04
qu1j0t3Chips_B_Malroy: yeah you asked that the other day. I'm not sure that it's very important, actually.Oct 04 22:05
*gnufreex has quit (Ping timeout: 276 seconds)Oct 04 22:05
qu1j0t3where else would Ballmer go? he's not very intelligent.Oct 04 22:05
Chips_B_Malroymaybe its not imporantantOct 04 22:05
MinceRmoney _is_ godOct 04 22:05
MinceRget it right ;)Oct 04 22:05
schestowitzSorry, that article is no longer available. "http://m.statesman.com/statesman/pm_21986/contentdetail.htm;jsessionid=1A3A6D86C2CB3DB3CEFD559C1D2FB0FA?contentguid=kz3zUfOG"Oct 04 22:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Statesman.com .::. Size~: 7.1 KBOct 04 22:05
schestowitzIt said:Oct 04 22:06
schestowitz"Oct 04 22:06
schestowitzThe library came up with the rule so that customers can't hide their faces, said Toni Grasso, the libraries' administrative manager in the office of programs and partnerships.Oct 04 22:06
schestowitz"We have security cameras in place, so like banks and courthouses, we're asking people to remove sunglasses and anything that hides the face, for the security of staff and customers," Grasso said.Oct 04 22:06
schestowitz"Oct 04 22:06
schestowitzWhy did they pull the story?Oct 04 22:06
qu1j0t3MinceR: he has his 15bln already. he just needs a place to go during the day where he can feel important and not bored.Oct 04 22:06
qu1j0t3MinceR: he lacks imagination, clearly :)Oct 04 22:06
Chips_B_MalroyThat's why McCain wanted to make him an Ambassador.Oct 04 22:07
schestowitzhttp://www.privacyinternational.org/article.shtml?cmd[347]=x-347-566663Oct 04 22:07
MinceR:>Oct 04 22:07
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: In CHinaOct 04 22:07
Chips_B_Malroyand the handout latter on probablyOct 04 22:07
schestowitzLost in translation yelping like an apeOct 04 22:07
schestowitzThis man could start a war with CHinaOct 04 22:07
Chips_B_MalroySomailiaOct 04 22:07
schestowitzThat tooOct 04 22:07
schestowitzChine would starve if Ballmer moved thereOct 04 22:08
schestowitzThen they'll open fireOct 04 22:08
Chips_B_Malroywill at least a agree partly with McCain, as it would get Ballmer out of the country most of the timeOct 04 22:09
schestowitzTo where his company movesOct 04 22:09
schestowitzChina&IndiaOct 04 22:09
schestowitzhe can see his employees more often]Oct 04 22:09
schestowitzThose who didn't jump into the new nets they set up in the factoriesOct 04 22:10
schestowitzSteveB: "It's not a trampoline!!"Oct 04 22:10
Chips_B_MalroyYes, Ballmer could be Ambassador to India, where he could set up his plantation, err, I mean his company better in his personal spare time.Oct 04 22:10
schestowitzhttp://www.pcworld.com/article/197312/foxconn_plans_safety_nets_may_raise_pay_after_12th_suicide.htmlOct 04 22:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Foxconn Plans Safety Nets, May Raise Pay After 12th Suicide - PCWorld .::. Size~: 71.64 KBOct 04 22:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Foxconn could make a lot of money manufacturing nets. Clearly there's demand for them. http://ur1.ca/1yxx7Oct 04 22:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Foxconn Plans Safety Nets, May Raise Pay After 12th Suicide - PCWorld .::. Size~: 71.55 KBOct 04 22:12
hazzyHmm, no Zune Marketplace?Oct 04 22:14
hazzyhttp://www.onwindows.com/Articles/Spotify-launches-on-Windows-Mobile/5333/Default.aspxOct 04 22:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Spotify launches on Windows Mobile | Microsoft News | OnWindows.com .::. Size~: 49.71 KBOct 04 22:14
Chips_B_MalroyBut did they ever really raise pay?  And did they ever really improve the lifes of their slaves, err, I mean 'employees'?Oct 04 22:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] It is now officially as hot as blazes in my office; taking laptop upstairs for relief. It's so pathetic to be perspiring while computing.Oct 04 22:15
qu1j0t3interesting. McCain would pick Ballmer as ambassador to China? LOL. Well, look who he picked for V-POct 04 22:16
qu1j0t3Ms Wal-Mart Greeter 2007Oct 04 22:16
Chips_B_MalroyAnd Obama pick was not exactly a great one eitherOct 04 22:16
Diablo-D3Chips_B_Malroy: a well kown rich white guy and average democrat?Oct 04 22:17
qu1j0t3Chips_B_Malroy: you only need a good actorOct 04 22:17
Diablo-D3I mean, Biden wasnt a BAD pickOct 04 22:17
Chips_B_MalroyNo I was referring to Biden being a cheerleader for HollywoodOct 04 22:17
Diablo-D3it gave the illusion that Obama was a "nigger who was really a front for white America"Oct 04 22:17
Diablo-D3so the Glenn Beck crowd would accidently vote for ObamaOct 04 22:18
Diablo-D3it wasnt a bad tacticOct 04 22:18
zoobabhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X3o2aCYmSoOct 04 22:18
m1k11eWho's Glenn Beck?Oct 04 22:18
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qu1j0t3hehOct 04 22:18
qu1j0t3you don't wanna know :DOct 04 22:18
*m1k11e is now known as gnufreexOct 04 22:18
Diablo-D3m1k11e: its extremely too late to ask that questionOct 04 22:18
gnufreexI don't know why this username keeps changingOct 04 22:19
gnufreexI gotta delete it.Oct 04 22:19
gnufreexit is not mine anywaysOct 04 22:19
Diablo-D3probably because you keep not identifying for it under nickservOct 04 22:19
gnufreexThat is from my friend who sometimes use internet on my computer.Oct 04 22:20
gnufreexI keep it in profile so he can use it.Oct 04 22:20
hazzyProbably specify it in your IRC client conf fileOct 04 22:21
Chips_B_Malroyvaporware time:  http://news.softpedia.com/news/Microsoft-s-non-Windows-Midori-OS-Is-Alive-159302.shtmlOct 04 22:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft’s non-Windows Midori OS Is Alive - Softpedia .::. Size~: 46.4 KBOct 04 22:21
gnufreexhazzy: I know. It is bug in Quassel. It changes by itselft.Oct 04 22:22
Chips_B_Malroy"And while the software giant is bound to have more platform-related projects cooking, there are a variety of hints pointing to the fact that Microsoft is indeed hiring for Midori."Oct 04 22:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] 10/10/10 http://ur1.ca/1yxzrOct 04 22:22
hazzyRegardless, Microsoft is a sub-par software company. I doubt they'll be able to survive without the inertia of an operating system that's already well entrenchedOct 04 22:23
Chips_B_MalroyWell, Windows 8 vaporware is supposed to be based on NT still.  So don't see Midori coming out soon, if this is true, unless MS decides to sell it as a dual boot system or go back to the days when it sold both 9x and NT systems.Oct 04 22:24
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Diablo-D3midori is going to be windows 9 or 10Oct 04 22:24
Diablo-D3its way too early for thatOct 04 22:24
MinceRno, midori is a khtml-based browser :>Oct 04 22:25
hazzyHmm, look at this (in contrast to Ballmer, etc.):Oct 04 22:25
hazzyhttp://bestoftheblogs.com/Home/21851Oct 04 22:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Rich Germans demand to pay more in taxes. .::. Size~: 36.89 KBOct 04 22:25
Chips_B_MalroyThe question I have about Midori is, when.  As windows is getting too hard for the average user to protect from malware.  Its only going to get worse.Oct 04 22:25
MinceRwhy don't they do voluntary charity?Oct 04 22:25
MinceRthey should be happy they can control thatOct 04 22:26
Chips_B_MalroyThey would die without windows revenue.Oct 04 22:26
MinceRm$ midori is going to be a harder flop than vista wasOct 04 22:26
MinceReven less compatibility with the usual m$ qualityOct 04 22:26
Chips_B_Malroyyes, if it dosen't run Bejeweled, then the public will ignore it.Oct 04 22:27
Chips_B_Malroyit has to be backward compatableOct 04 22:27
schestowitzzoobab: post about Quickenborne comingOct 04 22:27
hazzyIt might have worked 5 years ago, but now, noOct 04 22:27
schestowitztranslation needed thoughhOct 04 22:27
schestowitzTHe last few sentencesOct 04 22:27
schestowitzI vaguely know what he saysOct 04 22:28
hazzyschestowitz: What?Oct 04 22:28
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8X3o2aCYmSoOct 04 22:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] 20 Reasons Linux Will Boom in a Post-Recession World — Datamation.com http://ping.fm/U1cJJOct 04 22:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Linux Magazine Celebrates 10-Year Anniversary http://ping.fm/00GRVOct 04 22:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 20 Reasons Linux Will Boom in a Post-Recession World &mdash; Datamation.com .::. Size~: 71.3 KBOct 04 22:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Linux Magazine Celebrates 10-Year Anniversary .::. Size~: 34.57 KBOct 04 22:29
Chips_B_MalroyIf MS dual boots NT8 with Midora, then that opens the door for OEM's to really sell computers with windows and linux dual booting as well.  And MS cannot have that.Oct 04 22:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Introducing the Web Font Awards http://ow.ly/19hTPIOct 04 22:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: 20 Reasons !Linux Will Boom in a Post-Recession World http://tinyurl.com/34kkgvjOct 04 22:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Introducing the Web Font Awards - W3C Blog .::. Size~: 9.28 KBOct 04 22:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 20 Reasons Linux Will Boom in a Post-Recession World &mdash; Datamation.com .::. Size~: 71.3 KBOct 04 22:30
Chips_B_MalroyNot sure, but think that Apple gave away early versions of OS X back during the days of OS9 Copeland, and dual booted both.  Its was Apple's way of converting users.Oct 04 22:30
Chips_B_MalroyThe same path might not be open to MS>Oct 04 22:31
schestowitzhttp://www.techdirt.com/articles/20100930/10124211240/italy-demands-apple-remove-joke-itunes-app-starts-legal-action-against-app-author.shtmlOct 04 22:32
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Italy Demands Apple Remove Joke iTunes App; Starts Legal Action Against App Author | Techdirt .::. Size~: 63.83 KBOct 04 22:32
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: MSFT down is not an urgent eventOct 04 22:32
schestowitzIt'll be down for a whileOct 04 22:32
schestowitzGS downgradeOct 04 22:33
schestowitzI expects some juicy reports on it laterOct 04 22:33
schestowitzWas too busy this weekend to read MSFT news..Oct 04 22:33
Chips_B_MalroyRoy, not a problem, I never said it was urgentOct 04 22:34
schestowitzgnufreex: watch what TheOnion speaks toOct 04 22:34
schestowitzAll the anti-FSFers uniteOct 04 22:34
schestowitzAgainst "Groklie" et alOct 04 22:35
schestowitzBut I'm flattered that Techrights is their #1 attack targetOct 04 22:35
schestowitzBy farOct 04 22:35
gnufreexschestowitz: He calls it GroklXXOct 04 22:35
schestowitzIt means we are best at exposing theOct 04 22:35
schestowitz*themOct 04 22:35
Chips_B_MalroyBut it will fit in as a good runup, that and the release of WP7, for the MS quarter coming up.Oct 04 22:35
Chips_B_Malroywhen you have timeOct 04 22:36
schestowitzIf The Major Record Labels Tried To Adopt The 'Radiohead' Model...Oct 04 22:36
gnufreexAnd you are not even mentioning his name, and not replying on his tweets. He hates being ignored. schestowitzOct 04 22:36
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Chips_B_MalroyFlorian?  Maybe he will run over to Goblin's site like Lumpy did.Oct 04 22:37
gnufreexWho's Lumpy?Oct 04 22:38
Chips_B_MalroyThe Access trollOct 04 22:38
gnufreexYou mean Lefty?Oct 04 22:38
gnufreexHe lost two jobs at once. LolOct 04 22:39
Chips_B_Malroyif not he might be about toOct 04 22:39
gnufreexHe did. He bloged about it.Oct 04 22:39
gnufreexAcces fired 25% of people.Oct 04 22:39
gnufreexHim included.Oct 04 22:39
Chips_B_MalroyYou mean he does not still suck up at Access?Oct 04 22:40
gnufreexAnd stoped paying GNOME to keep him on boradOct 04 22:40
gnufreexboard*Oct 04 22:40
gnufreexSo he lost two jobsOct 04 22:40
Chips_B_MalroyAh, thats tooooooo badOct 04 22:40
Chips_B_MalroyWill he go bad to work for Apple?Oct 04 22:41
Chips_B_MalroybackOct 04 22:41
gnufreexThat was two months ago. He bloged just now. Roy linked it in comments.Oct 04 22:41
gnufreexI saw Lefty being more active on LWN, so he is doing more anty-freedom attacks now that he doesnOct 04 22:42
gnufreextOct 04 22:42
gnufreexhave anything else to doOct 04 22:42
Chips_B_MalroyWould think that at some point his massive trolling of people and other companines (like google) made him a detroment at Access finially.Oct 04 22:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I am fucking scared. @opensourcegeek is too. http://ur1.ca/1yy5wOct 04 22:44
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gnufreexDuda is an idiot. He says he is "helping companies to use GPL software". He don't even understand GPL properly.Oct 04 22:44
gnufreex*dudeOct 04 22:44
Chips_B_MalroyHe might understand GPL, but his personal goals are greed related to himself.Oct 04 22:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] RD @osamak: Happy Birthday, @fsf and thanks for everything. It has been wonderful 25 years!Oct 04 22:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] History of hardware tessellation http://ur1.ca/1yy6eOct 04 22:45
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ZiomatrixChips_B_Malroy: I wonder with ACCESS down and out whats going to happen to the Graffiti trademark and patents. Does this mean we'll see decent handwriting recognition in the western hemisphere again?Oct 04 22:45
Chips_B_MalroyHe has no problem with the truth, he stays away from it as much as possible.Oct 04 22:46
schestowitzdyfet`: http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/news-by-industry/telecom/DoT-rejects-BlackBerrys-email-decoding-solution/articleshow/6661267.cmsOct 04 22:46
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Chips_B_MalroyGraffiti was that including in BeOS?Oct 04 22:46
schestowitzZiomatrix: is it not XEROX with the patents/Oct 04 22:46
schestowitzWhen Palm made g2 it was Xerox which harassed themOct 04 22:47
dyfet`Hmm...Oct 04 22:47
schestowitzI remember cause I blogged about itOct 04 22:47
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2006/03/25/ip-negative-effect/Oct 04 22:47
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dyfet`locking its popular BlackBerry services will not end India’s security concerns but induce the legion of internet offenders to migrate to the innumerable alternate encryption solutions available online - so true...Oct 04 22:47
schestowitzGood for your project maybeOct 04 22:48
schestowitzUnless it gets bannedOct 04 22:48
dyfet`people will migrate to places they are not spied uponOct 04 22:48
schestowitzlike SF got banned in some countriesOct 04 22:48
schestowitzcrypto is the new uraniumOct 04 22:48
Ziomatrixschestowitz: I thought they just had the patent for resistive pen to screen recognition and Palm which split off into Access created a method of certain gestures for handwriting recognition, different to Apple with the Newton.Oct 04 22:48
schestowitzdyfet`: but some people cannot afford to migrate just for privacy]Oct 04 22:48
schestowitzOr migrate s/w-wise?Oct 04 22:48
Ziomatrixschestowitz: oh nvm, you're correct: http://nano.xerox.com/parctab/csl9501/node4.htmlOct 04 22:49
dyfet`it is essential to distribute crypto software that is both free as in freedom and free as in cost, and made as easy to use as possible on as many platforms as possibleOct 04 22:49
MinceRgnOct 04 22:54
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.fool.com/investing/value/2010/10/04/why-microsoft-will-never-be-great-again.aspxOct 04 22:54
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schestowitz[18:59] <MinceR> microsoft: where projects go to dieOct 04 22:55
schestowitzto dye?Oct 04 22:55
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schestowitzDo you have a hit count for your ogg that I put in techrights links?Oct 04 22:56
schestowitz^^ cubevector cubezzzOct 04 22:57
schestowitzI'm just curious cause we get no statsOct 04 22:57
Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.informationweek.com/news/windows/microsoft_news/showArticle.jhtml?articleID=227700037&cid=RSSfeed_IWK_AllOct 04 22:58
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Chips_B_Malroy"Microsoft CEO says selling phones will be "job one" after new devices launch, but won't forecast numbers.Oct 04 22:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @bkuhn Thanks again for being on the show tonight. You well deserve being record-holder !LO guest. It's always fun to talk FaiF with you! :)Oct 04 23:00
Chips_B_Malroy"The only problem is that smartphone sales are expanding at triple the rate of the PC market, including desktops, laptops and netbooks. So that while the smartphone market last year was only about half that of PCs, 172.4 million units to 308.3 million, it is likely to be bigger by 2012."Oct 04 23:00
schestowitzjob #1: phonesOct 04 23:01
schestowitzMethod: sueOct 04 23:01
schestowitzI'm sureOct 04 23:01
schestowitzMaking money from someone else's productsOct 04 23:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @agentsmith Hated the new IMDB. Looks instead of objectivity. >so basically, like new TwitterOct 04 23:02
Chips_B_Malroy"Admittedly, in dollar terms, the PC market likely will be bigger than smartphones for the foreseeable future. Gartner projects the average selling price for PCs as $668 this year, falling to $600 by 2012. Apple's iPhone has an average price of about $600, but lots of cheaper phones made by different manufacturers running Android software are available. Indeed, Gartner estimates the low end of smartphones' average pricesOct 04 23:02
Chips_B_Malroywill drop to $100 within a couple of years from $280 last year."Oct 04 23:02
schestowitz[19:16] * MinceR is not a general consumerOct 04 23:03
schestowitzI thought you consumed cow to make beefOct 04 23:03
ZiomatrixChips_B_Malroy: There goes my dream of ever owning a performance TabletPCOct 04 23:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh: I like snakes and I'm fine with spiders: it's slugs I'm reluctant to touchOct 04 23:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @silner Slugs are OK with me too. I also eat them. :DOct 04 23:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] RT @mdomsch Maintained in kernel.org is table stakes anymore, not "nice to have when we have the time".Oct 04 23:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @rsandu ♺ @mairin: help name #fedora 15! got a good idea for a codename? http://ur1.ca/1yvybOct 04 23:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] RT @Mackiwg Join the OER Foundation during Open Access Week 2010 - signup for free webinars http://is.gd/fytzGOct 04 23:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] Happy 25th birthday to the !FSF Please give a your gift to the people who have given us so much https://my.fsf.org/donateOct 04 23:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Daring proposition http://ur1.ca/1yyejOct 04 23:22
Chips_B_Malroycan't get to this site, it must be overloaded.  if the headline is true, this is what Roy has been saying:  http://news.google.ca/news/url?sa=t&ct2=ca%2F0_0_s_8_0_t&ct3=MAA4AEgHUABgAWoCY2E&usg=AFQjCNHsE9YFgUhb7PkVkJK00MWj_HnrDQ&cid=17593806791141&ei=4lKqTIjzOoLWlQTHjZDRAg&rt=SEARCH&vm=STANDARD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fblog.laptopmag.com%2Fhp-officially-drops-android-tablet-plansOct 04 23:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] #ACTA final text will be released later this week; likely before USTR Thursday briefing: https://eff.org/r.2sAOct 04 23:25
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Chips_B_Malroy"In case HP?s acquisition of Palm and its critically acclaimed webOS software wasn?t enough of a hint, HP today went and spelled out the obvious: it will not be manufacturing any phones or tablets running the competing Android OS. (And no, the detachable tablet that comes with the Photosmart eStation doesn?t count, mostly because it was in development before the Palm acquisition.)"Oct 04 23:28
hazzyLolOct 04 23:29
hazzyWhat a big waste of money that Palm wasOct 04 23:29
Chips_B_Malroy"Meanwhile, it looks like we could soon see a webOS-based tablet. HP?s Jon Rubenstein, who was CEO of Palm before HP bought it, confirmed that we?ll see a webOS tablet in early 2011. And although HP hasn?t made any announcements, it did register the name PalmPad, and HP EVP Todd Bradley dropped the moniker in an earnings call. For now, we know it?s coming and that an HP Android tablet, well, isn?t."Oct 04 23:29
Chips_B_MalroyPalmOS is still going on HP, just Android is notOct 04 23:30
hazzyOh, yes, nvmOct 04 23:30
Chips_B_Malroywas what I thought at first tooOct 04 23:30
Chips_B_MalroyAnd from the link, it looks like HP is only doing one windows tabletOct 04 23:31
Chips_B_Malroy"The decision isn?t surprising, particularly as HP already announced it had no plans to make a phone running Windows Phone 7. However, the company still plans to sell that slate that Steve Ballmer was waving around back at a CES in January. Albeit, only business customers will see that still-unnamed slate."Oct 04 23:32
schestowitz[21:06] <Chips_B_Malroy> Ok, what is this paid apprentice program for 16 to 18 year olds in Britian?Oct 04 23:33
ZiomatrixChips_B_Malroy: its only logical considering if the new CEO proclaimed to not use acquired Palm assets for future projects thats worth $1.2B the BoD would have him thrown out faster then you can say sexual harrassment.Oct 04 23:33
schestowitzI wrote about it a week agoOct 04 23:33
Chips_B_Malroysorry, I did not see itOct 04 23:33
ZiomatrixChips_B_Malroy: HP as an OEM has plenty of room to continue to accommodate MS products in PCs and EnterpriseOct 04 23:33
ZiomatrixChips_B_Malroy: I as well as other analysts foresee the new CEO forging a deeper relationship between SAP and MS in enterprise packages while competing more fervently with the likes of Oracle, like this: http://tinyurl.com/2c8wudg Perhaps we'll be surprised, don't forget most of the folks who re-vitalized Palm came from Apple and they wanted to be as un-Apple as possible as far as software openness is concerned.Oct 04 23:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Hutterer: Thoughts on Linux multitouch http://lwn.net/Articles/408456/rssOct 04 23:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] "she knew my one weakness - that I'm weak!.." - Homer J. Simpson !qOct 04 23:37
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Chips_B_MalroyWe are at the point where computer tech is changing at a faster rate and it becomes increasingly harder for Microsoft to hide both it's failures and it's decline.Oct 04 23:37
ZiomatrixChips_B_Malroy: perhaps this is the start of HP wanting to assemble an executive dreamteam to pen a strategy that will take them on their own path with exclusively their own assets such as Pheonix or HP-UX 11i+. One can dreamOct 04 23:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] Solid-state storage devices and the block layer http://lwn.net/Articles/408428/rssOct 04 23:39
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cubeman_schestowitz, there was over 500 hits until I deleted the fileOct 04 23:39
Chips_B_Malroy<Ziomatrix> what is happening with HP, is in effect their are promoting WebOS (palm) their own OS.  If this works, will they be tempted to go further into other form factors?Oct 04 23:39
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schestowitzI didn't know you deleted it, cubevectorOct 04 23:40
ZiomatrixChips_B_Malroy: it does seem Mr. Apothoker is put on a little tighter leash as apposed to the deal they had for Hurd from HP's BoD as far as reflecting quarterly earnings are concerned.Oct 04 23:40
schestowitzThat leaves an ugly looking error where the video wasOct 04 23:40
cubevectorsorry :-/Oct 04 23:40
schestowitzNpOct 04 23:40
schestowitzI wish I knewOct 04 23:40
cubevectorjust use the youtube link onlyOct 04 23:40
schestowitzI'd do FLash embedOct 04 23:40
cubevectoryeah I did mention it yesterday in IRCOct 04 23:41
ZiomatrixChips_B_Malroy:  where did you get that last quote from?Oct 04 23:41
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://blog.laptopmag.com/hp-officially-drops-android-tablet-plansOct 04 23:42
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Chips_B_MalroyhereOct 04 23:42
cubevectorschestowitz, if you guys feel like hosting it feel free to use itOct 04 23:42
ZiomatrixChips_B_Malroy: well it seems like HP is likely to stick with their WebOS roadmap as far as mobile devices and non-commercial printers are concerned. The real question is what direction their enterprise subsidiary will go as far as UIX vs Windows is concerned. Can they manage to agree to putting SAP suites on non-MS systems? Certainly either would be detrimental to free software as a whole but the latter could be far worse for markOct 04 23:43
Ziomatrixpenetration of such.Oct 04 23:43
cubevectornot sure what my bandwidth cap is on the DSLOct 04 23:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @eff: #ACTA final text will be released later this week; likely before USTR Thursday briefing: https://eff.org/r.2sAOct 04 23:45
oiaohmonly business customers << on the windows 7 tablet is important in that post Chips_B_MalroyOct 04 23:46
schestowitz"Hmm Not sure what KDE would bring to the table. Koffice does !ODF the Qt person for OO.o is already doing LO." http://identi.ca/conversation/52813313#notice-54113101Oct 04 23:46
Chips_B_MalroyyesOct 04 23:46
oiaohmReally yes its bad news for android its even wrose for windows 7Oct 04 23:46
oiaohmOnly for business customers is build only on demard.Oct 04 23:47
Ziomatrixoiaohm: so if no business demands an HP Windows 7 tablet, it means no sales of it.Oct 04 23:47
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oiaohmGot it in 1 ZiomatrixOct 04 23:48
Chips_B_MalroyGoldman Saks saw no demand for an Intel based Windows tablet eitherOct 04 23:48
Ziomatrixoiaohm: those who want it can easily opt for an HP TabletPC anyway which is a bit more costly but a lot more usable in actual practicality.Oct 04 23:48
oiaohmschestowitz:  I don't get what that person is on about.  Koffice is a far more  complete suite than OpenOffice.  KOffice include a built in project manager and the like.  Really I use OpenOffice and Koffice in combination all the time.Oct 04 23:49
Chips_B_MalroyHP needed something to compete with the iPad, so they bought Palm.Oct 04 23:49
cubevectorhttp://maxhost.org/other/konsole-demo.ogvOct 04 23:49
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Chips_B_MalroyRim bought an OS as wellOct 04 23:50
oiaohmChips_B_Malroy: Really It would have been sad to see webos completely die.Oct 04 23:50
cubevectorthere... it's back up... I'll leave it up for nowOct 04 23:50
oiaohmSome of its ideas for small screens was good.Oct 04 23:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Esperamos agora, com o @tarsogenro eleito, o LINUX volte ao Banrisul, e, o PROCERGS ESCOLA seja escrito de forma a rodar no LINUX tambémOct 04 23:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Pois @tarsogenro o Procergs escola precisa do pacote M$ Office para rodar, e, pagar licenças pra ele, não tem estado pobre q aguenteOct 04 23:50
Chips_B_MalroyBut if WP7 fails badly, either Android is adopted by other OEM's, or they end up making their own versions of Linux.Oct 04 23:51
Ziomatrixoiaohm: was? you're stating as though you're at an eulogy. Mind you development of WebOS 2.0 is proceeding according to schedule with SDKs already released. ;-)Oct 04 23:51
Chips_B_MalroyQNX I think it was called that Rim boughtOct 04 23:51
oiaohmQNX is now in blackberry ie RIM.  Chips_B_MalroyOct 04 23:52
ZiomatrixChips_B_Malroy: yup, a premier real-time microkernel based OS.Oct 04 23:52
oiaohmYes they aquired them.Oct 04 23:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] RD @fheinz: Circo de seguridad en las urnas electrónicas brasileñas http://federratas.codigolibre.net/?p=259Oct 04 23:52
ZiomatrixChips_B_Malroy: it was the one Gateway was negotiating with to rebrand their Amiga PCs with.Oct 04 23:52
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oiaohmZiomatrix: just put it this way I don't hold out huge hope for WebOS.Oct 04 23:52
oiaohmMaybe HP will shock me and do a good job of it.  ZiomatrixOct 04 23:53
Chips_B_Malroyyes, all I am saying is their is not a lot of mature OS out there left for other OEM's to buy.  And WP7 is probably a failure.  At that point the OEM's will have to fully embrace Android or make their own Linux distros.Oct 04 23:53
Ziomatrixoiaohm: I don't expect it to be a marketing leader either, but I don't choose the "winners" when I want to purchase something. Just whatever best fits my preferences .Oct 04 23:53
oiaohmI remember HP UX for all the ways I could take control of the system without breaching privilage.  ZiomatrixOct 04 23:53
oiaohmChips_B_Malroy: you are missing 1.  meegoOct 04 23:54
Chips_B_MalroyyesOct 04 23:54
Ziomatrixoiaohm: sadly you could see UIX die a slow death at the hands of HP's new roadmap. Wasn't it already being scaled back bar the Linux Pheonix OS acquisition?Oct 04 23:54
Ziomatrixmy bad UXOct 04 23:55
oiaohmI was using HP UX in its golden days.  Not its current end of life.  ZiomatrixOct 04 23:55
oiaohmHP and OS development has never been brillent.Oct 04 23:55
oiaohmNormally the stuff they buy from out side is good then slowly rots as there internal structs take hold.Oct 04 23:56
oiaohmI am hoping webos goes against that trend.Oct 04 23:56
Ziomatrixoiaohm: hence why the former CEO may have gone on a buying spree with Palm, Pheonix and that cloud storage companyOct 04 23:56
oiaohmAnd if it follows the normally path.  Pheonix and Palm will be dead.Oct 04 23:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] RD @glynmoody: ACTA - are they faking it? - http://bit.ly/cozNbF "Whatever the outcome, ACTA is very much a counterfeit agreement." ha!Oct 04 23:57
Chips_B_MalroyNext year will be worse for Microsoft.  It will be the year of the tablets.Oct 04 23:57
oiaohmAnd the cloud storage company will be sucessful.Oct 04 23:57
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cubevectoroiaohm, the end of SCL was the end of HP for meOct 04 23:57
oiaohmYes HP is great at running server farms with 100 percent uptime.Oct 04 23:58
oiaohmNormally using outside OS's like LinuxOct 04 23:58
Ziomatrixoiaohm: HP managed to kind of integrate Voodoo and eventually whittle down its product portfolio due to demand from the Blackbird aperformance desktops to simply the Envy laptop line, which is doing away with the Radiance display and simply keeping Beats.Oct 04 23:58
oiaohmHP really needs to learn to play to there strenghts.  If they did they would be way more profitable.Oct 04 23:58
Ziomatrixoiaohm: HP seemed to be never about selling complete packages but relatively affordable and reliable hardware along with minimal support.Oct 04 23:59
oiaohmHP does 3 things great.  ZiomatrixOct 04 23:59
oiaohm1 High end printers.Oct 04 23:59
oiaohm2 datacenters.Oct 04 23:59

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