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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] {ctd.} to suggest that people who attack !techrights do the same as techrights is to pretend that techrights has 100,000+ full-time staff | Oct 09 00:01 | |
| hazzy | Haha, finally, Microsoft gets theirs. I've been waiting for them to split for years. | Oct 09 00:01 |
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| cubezzz | hmm? | Oct 09 00:01 |
| hazzy | Oh, just referencing the latest on Techrights | Oct 09 00:02 |
| schestowitz | One half stays | Oct 09 00:02 |
| schestowitz | The half goes to the trash | Oct 09 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Or maybe sold for patents | Oct 09 00:02 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Oct 09 00:02 |
| schestowitz | Someone from Intel told me some secrets today | Oct 09 00:02 |
| schestowitz | There's some pretty amazing stuff in their pipeline | Oct 09 00:03 |
| schestowitz | Related to Transmeta patents | Oct 09 00:03 |
| cubezzz | but Intel is evil :) | Oct 09 00:03 |
| schestowitz | After it collapse | Oct 09 00:03 |
| schestowitz | After it collapsed | Oct 09 00:03 |
| schestowitz | But evil Nathan took some of their patents | Oct 09 00:03 |
| schestowitz | And Linus left ages ago | Oct 09 00:04 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: yes | Oct 09 00:04 |
| schestowitz | But to him I pretend so that he tells me stuff about their secret projects | Oct 09 00:04 |
| cubezzz | ah, so you're a double agent then | Oct 09 00:04 |
| hazzy | schestowitz: Who are you in contact with from Intel? | Oct 09 00:04 |
| schestowitz | One of their chip designers | Oct 09 00:05 |
| cubezzz | I'm still eyeing that Amiga 1200 | Oct 09 00:05 |
| cubezzz | at least I'd have _one_ non intel box | Oct 09 00:06 |
| _Goblin | cubezzz: Ive been a traitor of sorts recently...... | Oct 09 00:07 |
| _Goblin | cubezzz: being playing with an ST emu....(Hatari) | Oct 09 00:07 |
| cubezzz | still Motorola though | Oct 09 00:07 |
| _Goblin | true | Oct 09 00:07 |
| cubezzz | oh, emu :) | Oct 09 00:07 |
| cubezzz | not a real ST then? | Oct 09 00:07 |
| _Goblin | 68k emu | Oct 09 00:07 |
| _Goblin | its an emu called Hatari.....I don't care what people say, Gem desktop was nowhere near as good as Workbench | Oct 09 00:08 |
| cubezzz | there's still some Amiga 1000 die-hards out there | Oct 09 00:08 |
| _Goblin | I did like the "F keys" on the ST though....looked better than the Amiga's | Oct 09 00:09 |
| cubezzz | _Goblin, sometimes I hang out in #aros | Oct 09 00:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Microsoft chief executive: patent laws need reforming" http://ur1.ca/20gif for @horaciog to extort more companies in the EU? #swpats | Oct 09 00:09 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft chief executive: patent laws need reforming | Technology | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 116.7 KB | Oct 09 00:09 |
| cubezzz | it's an interesting group | Oct 09 00:09 |
| _Goblin | cubezzz: Ive got a special place in my heart for the AROS project. | Oct 09 00:09 |
| cubezzz | I actually got it working pretty good on the toughbook, no network support though | Oct 09 00:10 |
| cubezzz | and not bad on the acer laptop either | Oct 09 00:11 |
| _Goblin | I do hope AROS gets some more users.....its a great project. | Oct 09 00:11 |
| _Goblin | brb smoke break | Oct 09 00:11 |
| hazzy | Looks like the ACTA is falling apart http://politics.slashdot.org/story/10/10/08/0241218/US-Negotiators-Cave-On-Internet-Provisions-To-ACTA | Oct 09 00:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Slashdot Politics Story | US Negotiators Cave On Internet Provisions To ACTA .::. Size~: 141.65 KB | Oct 09 00:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Dell likely to be first vendor to launch !Ubuntu Light netbooks, say notebook makers http://ur1.ca/20gij !gnu !linux | Oct 09 00:12 | |
| MinceR | gn | Oct 09 00:13 |
| hazzy | Night | Oct 09 00:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] The Internet is under siege: http://blogs.globalcrossing.com/?q=content/if-internet-aint-dead-yet-it-soon-will-be | Oct 09 00:14 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: If the Internet Ain't Dead Yet, It Soon Will Be | Global Crossing Blog Central .::. Size~: 66.42 KB | Oct 09 00:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] One Billion Dollars! Wait… I Mean One Billion Files!!! http://ur1.ca/20gjt !Linux handles heavy duties where other operating systems fail | Oct 09 00:17 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: One Billion Dollars! Wait& I Mean One Billion Files!!! | Linux Magazine .::. Size~: 38.84 KB | Oct 09 00:17 |
| _Goblin | thats better | Oct 09 00:22 |
| _Goblin | feel composed now | Oct 09 00:22 |
| _Goblin | a terrible thing tabacco addiction | Oct 09 00:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to bed. #needsleep | Oct 09 00:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Dixons jumps on tablet bandwagon http://ur1.ca/20gkt Running !linux of course. Can Apple invent "Android killer"? | Oct 09 00:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] RT @schestowitz One Billion Dollars! Wait… I Mean One Billion Files!!! http://ur1.ca/20gjt !Linux handles heavy duties where other opera ... | Oct 09 00:22 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Dixons jumps on tablet bandwagon | THINQ.co.uk .::. Size~: 33.26 KB | Oct 09 00:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: One Billion Dollars! Wait& I Mean One Billion Files!!! | Linux Magazine .::. Size~: 38.84 KB | Oct 09 00:22 |
| hazzy | So I hear | Oct 09 00:22 |
| *bruce89 (~bruce89@109.224.132.14) has joined #techrights | Oct 09 00:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] German CIO caves in on open source http://ur1.ca/20gmm "consideration of a cloud operator from third countries [...] seems insane" | Oct 09 00:27 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: German CIO caves in on open source « Sköne Oke .::. Size~: 24.29 KB | Oct 09 00:27 |
| schestowitz | [00:11] <hazzy> Looks like the ACTA is falling apart http://politics.slashdot.org/story/10/10/08/0241218/US-Negotiators-Cave-On-Internet-Provisions-To-ACTA | Oct 09 00:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Slashdot Politics Story | US Negotiators Cave On Internet Provisions To ACTA .::. Size~: 141.61 KB | Oct 09 00:30 |
| schestowitz | oldish news by now | Oct 09 00:30 |
| schestowitz | The Ars article is from Thurs iirc. | Oct 09 00:30 |
| hazzy | Yea, Slashdot is usually way behind | Oct 09 00:31 |
| oiaohm | http://techbase.kde.org/Schedules/KDE4/4.6_Feature_Plan Is this just me or does this read as just stablistation | Oct 09 00:33 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] String pullers and soothsayers http://ur1.ca/20go4 | Oct 09 00:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Canonical is pushing raw press releases into TuxMachines now? Odd. "SharonPR" http://ur1.ca/20goy http://ur1.ca/20gp0 | Oct 09 00:34 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Latest Ubuntu 10.10 Server Edition makes cloud deployment easier than ever | tuxmachines.org .::. Size~: 32.99 KB | Oct 09 00:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Latest Ubuntu Version Puts Focus on Consumers and Mobile | tuxmachines.org .::. Size~: 33.37 KB | Oct 09 00:34 |
| hazzy | oiaohm: IMO it's just you | Oct 09 00:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] ♺ @gervais: http://forum.binaerpilot.no/discussions/303;Piracy-kills-no-music << the truth | Oct 09 00:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] To clarify, I like Ubuntu, but it's just unprecedented for Canonical PR agents to run around Linux sites that generally abstain from pure PR | Oct 09 00:37 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Piracy kills no music - Binärpilot Community .::. Size~: 11.76 KB | Oct 09 00:37 |
| oiaohm | hazzy: no major new features. I see there. | Oct 09 00:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @schestowitz I think its the only way people will start to hear about Linux in the face of a noisy PR monster like !Microsoft | Oct 09 00:39 | |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: what Ubuntu 10.10? | Oct 09 00:39 |
| oiaohm | A mess _Goblin | Oct 09 00:40 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: I read it was the most user friend ver to date. | Oct 09 00:40 |
| oiaohm | There are many permission errors. | Oct 09 00:40 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: ah.... | Oct 09 00:40 |
| oiaohm | And too early of ati drivers have been imported. | Oct 09 00:40 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: I still deploy 9.10 to others....I haven't used it on my main rig since ver 8.04 | Oct 09 00:41 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu is far to much bleeding edge. | Oct 09 00:42 |
| oiaohm | Make fedora feel safe. | Oct 09 00:42 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: I like the "rolling release" of Sabayon...to me that makes far more sense then this 6 month release cycle. | Oct 09 00:42 |
| oiaohm | What would make sence to me is if someone correct ld.so | Oct 09 00:42 |
| oiaohm | So multi versions of lib files can be installed. | Oct 09 00:42 |
| oiaohm | Then update package management to support it. | Oct 09 00:43 |
| oiaohm | So removing the nightmare in a lot of cases update package then it wants to remove other applications you want to use. | Oct 09 00:43 |
| oiaohm | Then we could truly do a proper rolling release. | Oct 09 00:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @openbytes but if Canonical decided to pay the unethical business of PR, they ought to target other sites. TuxMachines = preach to the choir | Oct 09 00:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @schestowitz Good point although I would like to think many use Tuxmachines as a starting point when first becoming interested in Linux. | Oct 09 00:44 | |
| oiaohm | Now that would truly make Linux user friendly. | Oct 09 00:44 |
| oiaohm | Most of what Ubuntu focus on is the simple flashy stuff. | Oct 09 00:44 |
| oiaohm | Thing most people don't notice is most libs on Linux don't have configuration files and are not really dependant on anything in there operations. Ie stand alone. | Oct 09 00:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @openbytes I wouldn't worry very much about M$/Adobe. M$'s sinking in debt, taxdodge and layoffs. They don't have $$$ to acquire Adobe | Oct 09 00:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @agentsmith I wouldn't want to put money on that....Microsoft can draw on some powerful resources... | Oct 09 00:46 | |
| oiaohm | So why in hell do we have dependancy hell so much. | Oct 09 00:46 |
| hazzy | I'm not enough of a developer to understand know any of that | Oct 09 00:47 |
| hazzy | Err | Oct 09 00:47 |
| hazzy | Subtract the word 'understand' | Oct 09 00:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @agentsmith Having said that, I could strip my OS of anything Adobe very easily without any real effect on my computing life. | Oct 09 00:47 | |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: and its the "flashy stuff" which Microsoft has kept the average user with...I'd say if it draws more people to Linux, then the bells and whistles are a necessary evil. | Oct 09 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Draw and not work you only end up with more anti linux people. _Goblin | Oct 09 00:48 |
| oiaohm | Basically you need flash and substance. | Oct 09 00:48 |
| oiaohm | There are some key substance areas that need fixing. | Oct 09 00:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @openbytes Indeed, what Adobe does 4 Linux ? Trash player ? Sucks serious balls. Adobe Flex ?Naa, they don't have even a native client. So.. | Oct 09 00:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @agentsmith Very true. | Oct 09 00:49 | |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: its worked well for Microsoft over the years though....the average user has put up with all manner of Microsoft inconvenience and become hooked on the bells and whistles..... | Oct 09 00:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @openbytes But, to think about: If this could happen, from 2 companies + or - healthy, would emerge a very sick(in debt) monster. | Oct 09 00:51 | |
| _Goblin | and even the most broken Ubuntu deployment in my experience is not half the headache a dodgy windows platform can be. | Oct 09 00:51 |
| oiaohm | MS does have the substance to a point. _Goblin | Oct 09 00:51 |
| oiaohm | User installs application and OS does not normally spit chips at them _Goblin | Oct 09 00:51 |
| oiaohm | Or breaks it self. _Goblin | Oct 09 00:51 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: I would cite the love affair MS had with the registry to show that under the hood, its rather rotten to the core. | Oct 09 00:52 |
| gnufreex | Lol, Lefty tries to convince ciarran to remove Apple LLVM evidence http://en.swpat.org/wiki/User_talk:68.126.201.9#Apple_abiding_by_the_rules | Oct 09 00:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: User talk:68.126.201.9 - software patents wiki (en.swpat.org) .::. Size~: 20.64 KB | Oct 09 00:52 |
| oiaohm | Note I did not say windows was not rotten. | Oct 09 00:53 |
| oiaohm | But it appears userfriendly from core. _Goblin | Oct 09 00:53 |
| _Goblin | I know...I was just saying.. | Oct 09 00:53 |
| _Goblin | and I agree...I does appear user-friendly.... | Oct 09 00:53 |
| _Goblin | *it | Oct 09 00:53 |
| oiaohm | Little things correcting the package management of Linux not to be a ass would help things. | Oct 09 00:54 |
| _Goblin | although I haven't specifically had any issues with package management... | Oct 09 00:54 |
| oiaohm | My issue comes when a person still wants to run a old application that has been removed from the future repo. _Goblin | Oct 09 00:55 |
| _Goblin | and what I am seeing more of is pre-compiled generic binaries that work out of the box...this is particularly common in the area of Linux gaming. | Oct 09 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Or I am using testing and particular packages has not been released yet. | Oct 09 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Basically the lack of ld.so supporting multi blocks Linux from being heavly rolling release. _Goblin | Oct 09 00:56 |
| oiaohm | The idea location is to be able to use what ever is stable new or old. | Oct 09 00:56 |
| _Goblin | I agree. | Oct 09 00:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] What does the "7" in Windows Phone (WM 6.5 redone) really stand for? 7 months of marketing? 7 months 'till Kin-like death? 7 sins? #vista7 | Oct 09 00:57 | |
| oiaohm | And the lack of supporting ld.so supporting multi is the biggest user unfriendlyness issue of Linux left. | Oct 09 00:57 |
| _Goblin | but then look at the other side of the coin...... | Oct 09 00:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Analysts consistently argue that VIsta Phone 7 [sic] will fail? Why blow $500ml marketing it? They should axe it like Palm Foleo. | Oct 09 00:59 | |
| oiaohm | I have _Goblin | Oct 09 00:59 |
| _Goblin | if you install say Ubuntu....and you are a average user, everything is there for you on a plate....no surfing the net then "download and pray" for apps....a default install has all the software you could need to be imediately productive....all these are bonus's over Windows.... | Oct 09 00:59 |
| _Goblin | and the repro's give you a security you don't get with Windows. | Oct 09 01:00 |
| oiaohm | I did not say package management has not improved things. | Oct 09 01:00 |
| oiaohm | But windows users are fully use to installing x y and z version even if they would be techically in different revissions. | Oct 09 01:00 |
| _Goblin | I personally think as far as the average user is concerned, Linux package management is great.....maybe for the longer term/advanced user its lacking. | Oct 09 01:00 |
| oiaohm | and some cases when opening old documents you need the older vresions. | Oct 09 01:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @schestowitz: One Billion Dollars! Wait… I Mean One Billion Files!!! http://ur1.ca/20gjt !Linux handles heavy duties where other OSs fail | Oct 09 01:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @schestowitz: Dell likely to be first vendor to launch Ubuntu Light netbooks, say notebook makers http://ur1.ca/20gij | Oct 09 01:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] '[MSFT] paid licence fees for “...patents related to smartphones owned by [Acacia subsidiary] ACCESS Co, Ltd”.' http://ur1.ca/20gvk | Oct 09 01:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @eff: Chinese censors try squashing 'Liu Xiaobo' & 'Nobel Peace Prize' off the Internet https://eff.org/r.4sV, users find ways around it. | Oct 09 01:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @eff: Nobel Peace Prize winner Liu Xiaobo calls 'the Internet', which was also a nominee, 'God's gift to China'. https://eff.org/r.4sW | Oct 09 01:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @eff: Poll: Kids say their friends share too much online https://eff.org/r.2sU | Oct 09 01:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @eff: Video tutorials on how to use #Tor and other #anti-censorship technologies: http://www.youtube.com/user/12pmtutorials | Oct 09 01:01 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: One Billion Dollars! Wait& I Mean One Billion Files!!! | Linux Magazine .::. Size~: 38.84 KB | Oct 09 01:01 |
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| oiaohm | ALso common user complaint about Linux is they cannot install latest versions without risking busting system up. _Goblin | Oct 09 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Yes windows users expect particular things and they are not being granted it. | Oct 09 01:01 |
| oiaohm | It all starts in ld.so then goes up to package management. | Oct 09 01:02 |
| _Goblin | but how much is that myth..? I certainly have not had an issue there.... | Oct 09 01:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Can anybody confirm that ACCESS Co, Ltd is an #Acacia subsidiary like The Register says? This may explain why ACCESS attacks the !FSF | Oct 09 01:02 | |
| oiaohm | I survey failures of deployments. | Oct 09 01:02 |
| _Goblin | Ive run over 20 different distro's...deployed over 40 and the only issues Ive ever had have been support for more exotic hardware that the users have tried to plug in. | Oct 09 01:03 |
| _Goblin | that and ofcourse just general incompat with Linux (until later version) | Oct 09 01:03 |
| oiaohm | I have people who deal with like the australian tax office _Goblin | Oct 09 01:03 |
| oiaohm | If you don't have great than X version of firefox or what ever webbrowser you are using they lock you out _Goblin | Oct 09 01:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 12 Reasons to Try !Ubuntu 10.10 Now http://ur1.ca/20gw4 !gnu !linux | Oct 09 01:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @robmyers Big honking #FAIL ! | Oct 09 01:04 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 12 Reasons to Try Ubuntu 10.10 Now - PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 68.52 KB | Oct 09 01:04 |
| oiaohm | And if you have a stable system to interface with something like that you don't want to have to update large sections to unstable or testing. _Goblin | Oct 09 01:04 |
| _Goblin | I suppose our "end-users" for the purposes of this discussion are two entirely different types of people with vastly different needs. | Oct 09 01:05 |
| oiaohm | Most likely we have two different groups of end-users | Oct 09 01:05 |
| _Goblin | yep | Oct 09 01:05 |
| oiaohm | Most of mine are business. _Goblin | Oct 09 01:05 |
| _Goblin | none of mine are. | Oct 09 01:06 |
| _Goblin | ! | Oct 09 01:06 |
| _Goblin | Im talking more Johnny Bittorent rather than CEO Smith. | Oct 09 01:06 |
| oiaohm | I mostly talk to CEO and IT officers. | Oct 09 01:06 |
| _Goblin | yep thats the difference...although is Ubuntu marketed more towards your end-user or mine? | Oct 09 01:07 |
| oiaohm | And for them this ld.so and package management is a deal breaker. | Oct 09 01:07 |
| _Goblin | I'd say mine.... | Oct 09 01:07 |
| oiaohm | Both. _Goblin | Oct 09 01:07 |
| _Goblin | Ubuntu one could be considered viable for business? | Oct 09 01:07 |
| _Goblin | (for example) | Oct 09 01:07 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu is targeting cloud and the like. | Oct 09 01:08 |
| _Goblin | yes but I think in a very home user way. | Oct 09 01:08 |
| _Goblin | having said that... | Oct 09 01:08 |
| oiaohm | Even for home user fixing this issue bugging business would be a help right. _Goblin | Oct 09 01:08 |
| _Goblin | enterprise is where they make their money..... | Oct 09 01:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Google's Andy Rubin Talks Android ur1.ca/20gvd interesting on OEM's and Vista phone 7 | Oct 09 01:09 | |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: I completely agree. | Oct 09 01:09 |
| schestowitz | heh | Oct 09 01:09 |
| schestowitz | "Vista phone 7" | Oct 09 01:09 |
| _Goblin | Hi Roy! | Oct 09 01:09 |
| schestowitz | It's catching on | Oct 09 01:09 |
| _Goblin | what about F'Kin Phone 7 | Oct 09 01:09 |
| schestowitz | it's F'Kin like Kin] | Oct 09 01:10 |
| schestowitz | But bigger | Oct 09 01:10 |
| _Goblin | it IS f'Kin!!!!!!! | Oct 09 01:10 |
| schestowitz | You can't swallow this one | Oct 09 01:10 |
| schestowitz | So this is targets kids too | Oct 09 01:10 |
| schestowitz | The ads | Oct 09 01:10 |
| _Goblin | the next of Kin (your phrase I believe) | Oct 09 01:10 |
| schestowitz | Kinder | Oct 09 01:10 |
| _Goblin | lol... | Oct 09 01:10 |
| schestowitz | I kin you NOT!! | Oct 09 01:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @jwildeboer where do you want to go today? = let us take you for a ride! | Oct 09 01:11 | |
| _Goblin | They should throw Windows 7 Mobile where they threw Kin.....on the Bing (and for those that don't know, the definition of "Bing" in the dictionary is "a heap or a pile" | Oct 09 01:11 |
| *schestowitz did some searching.. can't see ACCESS as being acacia sub | Oct 09 01:11 | |
| schestowitz | Seems like mistake in The Register | Oct 09 01:11 |
| schestowitz | Someone should contact Kelly | Oct 09 01:12 |
| _Goblin | according to QVC Sony was the pioneer in console gaming.....funny that, I thought it was Atari many years earlier. | Oct 09 01:13 |
| _Goblin | Spenser kelly? | Oct 09 01:13 |
| oiaohm | Even if the Windows phone takes off how is MS going pay for the R&D to keep it up with android. | Oct 09 01:13 |
| _Goblin | ;) | Oct 09 01:13 |
| oiaohm | I serounsly think MS is going to get run into the ground. | Oct 09 01:13 |
| oiaohm | Same thing happened to a lot of the closed source unix's of old. | Oct 09 01:14 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: Its definately going to push a few thousand units...they are giving them away to staff. | Oct 09 01:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Política é a arte de enganar as pessoas - Marquês de Maricá | Oct 09 01:14 | |
| oiaohm | If it flops it will flop big. | Oct 09 01:14 |
| schestowitz | "@kel5ash your article wrongly states that ACCESS Co, Ltd is an Acacia subsidiary " | Oct 09 01:14 |
| oiaohm | Kin flop hurt. But it was only a side tree. | Oct 09 01:15 |
| _Goblin | Maybe the Gates foundation can consider using them and the Kin to help plug up the BP oil well, when the phone flops? | Oct 09 01:15 |
| oiaohm | If you main flops you can basically say you are out the game. | Oct 09 01:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] After some checking it turns out that ACCESS Co, Ltd is not an #Acacia subsidiary as The Register claims. It's a different semi-troll | Oct 09 01:16 | |
| _Goblin | wonder if it will beat the Kin's record for shelf life.... | Oct 09 01:16 |
| oiaohm | There is a problem if windows mobile does flop I see patent cases coming. _Goblin | Oct 09 01:16 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: I think they already are.. | Oct 09 01:16 |
| _Goblin | HTC, Samsung et al | Oct 09 01:16 |
| oiaohm | Really right now I would like to see Windows mobile just get enough to keep it self on shelf | Oct 09 01:16 |
| oiaohm | Just so Linux is in a stronger location by the time MS comes knocking. | Oct 09 01:17 |
| _Goblin | what and miss the opportunity to point and laugh? | Oct 09 01:17 |
| oiaohm | Ie android and meego both strong. So we are on a dual footing. | Oct 09 01:17 |
| _Goblin | I'd rather see it flop...then throw all the PR back in the faces of those spouting it. | Oct 09 01:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Haters of s/w freedom should do more to slag off big news sites like The Register for occasional errors. Instead they target blogs. | Oct 09 01:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] Silicon Valley Lacks Vision? Facebook Begs to Differ | Epicenter | Wired.com http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/10/facebook-matters/ | Oct 09 01:17 | |
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| _Goblin | like with the Kin.... | Oct 09 01:17 |
| _Goblin | Quote "The Kin is the greatest social networking phone ever made" | Oct 09 01:18 |
| oiaohm | just enough to keep it on shelf is still a massive PR disaster. _Goblin | Oct 09 01:18 |
| oiaohm | But is also enough that attacking the builders is off the table. | Oct 09 01:18 |
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| oiaohm | And gives builders the rights to ask MS for massive kick backs to keep on making the phone. | Oct 09 01:18 |
| oiaohm | I am thinking from MS bottom line _Goblin | Oct 09 01:19 |
| oiaohm | What would do them the most long term harm. | Oct 09 01:19 |
| _Goblin | whatever happens it will be damn entertaining to watch. | Oct 09 01:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] Report: Apple Blocks Spotify in the U.S. | Epicenter | Wired.com http://ur1.ca/20h10 | Oct 09 01:19 | |
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| _Goblin | and more interestingly how Ballmer will leave Microsoft | Oct 09 01:19 |
| oiaohm | Yes fun to see MS go fully flat. | Oct 09 01:19 |
| oiaohm | But MS going patent nuke at this stage not a good thing. | Oct 09 01:19 |
| _Goblin | there will be a breaking point..... | Oct 09 01:20 |
| oiaohm | Most likely 12 months I would not care if goes flop. | Oct 09 01:20 |
| _Goblin | just look at the recent 4chan actions....it will happen....revolt! | Oct 09 01:20 |
| oiaohm | Having multi platforms to switch between makes a patents attackers life many times harder. | Oct 09 01:20 |
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| oiaohm | Its also fun watching MS trying to make the patent system work. _Goblin | Oct 09 01:21 |
| _Goblin | if a couple of average users can delay the UK courts and bring law firms to their knees, then I think the patent issue doesn't have a chance. | Oct 09 01:21 |
| oiaohm | Few of us are running a bet who will end up detorying the usefulness of software patents so rendering them harmless. | Oct 09 01:22 |
| oiaohm | One guy picked MS and I though that did not stand a chance. | Oct 09 01:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Maybe the Gates foundation can consider using them [WP7]and the Kin to help plug up the BP oil well, when the phone flops?" -- @openbytes | Oct 09 01:22 | |
| oiaohm | Like the case recently MS wanting to lower the burden of proff to disprove a patent. | Oct 09 01:23 |
| _Goblin | I don't think it will be MS....I think it will be some dodgy small patent troll who has too much faith in the power of their portfolio. | Oct 09 01:23 |
| oiaohm | Really MS and others you to use patent pools to sell patents off to Trolls. | Oct 09 01:23 |
| oiaohm | One of the good thing OIN has done is stop a lot of that _Goblin | Oct 09 01:24 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: according to Bad Boy Ballmer, he thinks patent reform is needed......yep it sure looks that way when watching Microsoft. | Oct 09 01:24 |
| oiaohm | Reason OIN buys lot of the patents. So destorying the old proxy attack style. | Oct 09 01:24 |
| schestowitz | vis-a-vis http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2010/oct/05/microsoft-chief-executive-patent | Oct 09 01:24 |
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| oiaohm | Basiclaly OIN is something MS never predicted. And a lot of others who though patents would be good against open source. | Oct 09 01:25 |
| oiaohm | A body forming with the only goal of sucking up good solid patents. | Oct 09 01:25 |
| _Goblin | What does surprise me is that there has been no attacks on Codeweavers.... | Oct 09 01:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Playing with Banshee - it is absolutely awesome! :-) | Oct 09 01:26 | |
| oiaohm | Codeweavers has a war chest. _Goblin | Oct 09 01:26 |
| oiaohm | a 3 way defence. | Oct 09 01:26 |
| oiaohm | 1 there code is fully documented and shows signs of pure independant development. | Oct 09 01:26 |
| oiaohm | So any patent funtion contained could be destroyed due to independant development clauses of patents. | Oct 09 01:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] PT é melhor na oposição do que no governo. Na oposição é ótimo a fiscalizar a situação. No governo, não consegue nem se fiscalizar... | Oct 09 01:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] Facebook's New Groups Feature Worries Some - Yahoo! News http://ur1.ca/20ddb | Oct 09 01:27 | |
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| oiaohm | 2 Codeweavers has google as a supporter and customer. Yes Google will help them along with many other powerful companies. | Oct 09 01:28 |
| oiaohm | Finally codeweavers has a branch of operations out side the USA that holds a mirror of all there code. | Oct 09 01:28 |
| oiaohm | So codeweavers could just decide to wait the patents out. _Goblin | Oct 09 01:29 |
| oiaohm | Result of a win in patents is nothing more than a temp distubance to codeweavers. | Oct 09 01:29 |
| oiaohm | That is the big problem attacking most Open source. Open source is multi natition so can just run away from areas of problems and come back when it cleared up. | Oct 09 01:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | could I add, that wine could also fork and stay out of the USA, beyond the patents reach, on the extremely odd chance that MS would win in court | Oct 09 01:30 |
| oiaohm | No need Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 09 01:30 |
| oiaohm | They are setup they can move operations. | Oct 09 01:30 |
| _Goblin | get software developers ensuring wine compliance on all their windows binaries...see what happens then....the patent itself doesn't need to be valid, merely the threat....look at the companies like Motorolla...thats no small fish.... | Oct 09 01:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | even better | Oct 09 01:30 |
| oiaohm | Big issue is wine lead maintainer. | Oct 09 01:31 |
| oiaohm | But there is his assistant that is out side the USA. | Oct 09 01:31 |
| oiaohm | MS attacking Motorolla might have been the biggest mistake MS made. | Oct 09 01:32 |
| _Goblin | maybe...or it might end up catching itself another HTC type deal. | Oct 09 01:32 |
| oiaohm | Motorolla was a law firm before they were a chip maker and they are still a law firm. _Goblin | Oct 09 01:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Sharp will be next as they annouced an Android phone | Oct 09 01:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] #fringe getting awful | Oct 09 01:32 | |
| _Goblin | Motorolla can't be that fussed, they still want to deploy Mob 7 units. | Oct 09 01:32 |
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| oiaohm | _Goblin: if Motorolla is fussed we will know on the day they are ment to release the Mob 7 units | Oct 09 01:33 |
| oiaohm | Not before _Goblin | Oct 09 01:33 |
| _Goblin | true.... | Oct 09 01:33 |
| oiaohm | It would not be past Motorolla to publicly shred the phones they made. | Oct 09 01:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Court validates land claims, but only to Jews http://ur1.ca/20h66 | Oct 09 01:34 | |
| oiaohm | If they are truly pissed. | Oct 09 01:34 |
| oiaohm | Creating MS a really huge PR problem. | Oct 09 01:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | WP7 is released Monday | Oct 09 01:35 |
| oiaohm | Yep if it don't take off MS is in real touble. | Oct 09 01:36 |
| oiaohm | And I don't see any signs of it taking off. | Oct 09 01:36 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: however, lets see how scathed they are from the Kin...... | Oct 09 01:36 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: if theres any justice, they shouldn't sell a single unit. | Oct 09 01:36 |
| schestowitz | What's reason 3? | Oct 09 01:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Spending 400 million on advertising on WP7 might be a way to take users minds off the impending release of Chrome OS | Oct 09 01:36 |
| schestowitz | I mean, 3rd defence | Oct 09 01:37 |
| _Goblin | brb smoke | Oct 09 01:37 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: umm... law firm? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Motorola#History | Oct 09 01:37 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Cloud-Printing-Now-in-Chromium-Labs-Chrome-OS-is-Near-159680.shtml | Oct 09 01:38 |
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| schestowitz | "Perhaps it's a combination of all these (and more). :D #vista7 " http://twitter.com/Omar_S_Hafez/statuses/26796500070 | Oct 09 01:38 |
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| oiaohm | Galvin Manufacturing Corporation from the start run there own legal department. gnufreex | Oct 09 01:39 |
| oiaohm | And used aquirements of patents and the like to build them market share gnufreex | Oct 09 01:39 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Google Chrome OS is slated for a fall launch and should be coming soon, if not this month than in the first half of November. Once it lands, features like cloud printing, background apps, Remoting and others will make a lot more sense." | Oct 09 01:39 |
| oiaohm | Yes the legal side of motorola has been key to some of its growth. gnufreex | Oct 09 01:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Notice MS releases there WP7 first | Oct 09 01:40 |
| oiaohm | motorola is one of the strange makers where the engeniers and legal teams could be working hand and hand with each other. gnufreex | Oct 09 01:40 |
| oiaohm | And that is promoted. gnufreex | Oct 09 01:41 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: That is scary | Oct 09 01:41 |
| oiaohm | And MS attacking them. | Oct 09 01:41 |
| oiaohm | Not wise. | Oct 09 01:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The question that should be asked about Motorola and Ballmer is if not about merger, then what was the meeting about? I say it was all about Adobe Flash, and how Ballmer wants it on WP7 | Oct 09 01:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | *Adobe | Oct 09 01:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | not motorola | Oct 09 01:42 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: I think Microosft thinks they can get easy because Motorola is in losses for years now. | Oct 09 01:42 |
| hazzy | Well, Motorola must have been confident in their legal team to begin with if they didn't sign a patent agreement with Microsoft | Oct 09 01:42 |
| gnufreex | They didn't made mony from 2004 or so | Oct 09 01:42 |
| oiaohm | Really? gnufreex | Oct 09 01:43 |
| oiaohm | All three key departments work as one inside motorola. | Oct 09 01:43 |
| gnufreex | I will look for SEC fillings, but I think I am right. | Oct 09 01:43 |
| oiaohm | engenering legal and accounting. | Oct 09 01:43 |
| oiaohm | Look at motorala investments. | Oct 09 01:44 |
| gnufreex | They spun off Freescale in 2004 | Oct 09 01:44 |
| oiaohm | They look to made no profit but have aquired more. | Oct 09 01:44 |
| gnufreex | Made 40bn or so | Oct 09 01:44 |
| gnufreex | for sale | Oct 09 01:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Goodbye to an old friend: 1-800-GOOG-411 http://goo.gl/3Qyq | Oct 09 01:46 | |
| oiaohm | Hmm | Oct 09 01:46 |
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| oiaohm | Interesting Looks like Motorola is restructing. I missed it. | Oct 09 01:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer on Stuxnet, wants to sue more people: http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2010/10/05/243178/Stuxnet-could-hurt-world-economic-development-says-Microsoft.htm | Oct 09 01:46 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | ""We need legal approaches, we need prosecutions, we need education that make sure we get the same protection, whether it's personal assets or corporate assets or national asset that people expect," he told a London School of Economics audience in London." | Oct 09 01:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "That's not going to be an easy challenge, no question about it," he said. "We are hard at work about it, as are nation states. Governments in most parts of the world really get this." | Oct 09 01:47 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: I can't find year for year info, but they made some heavi lossess over the years. Like this one for example http://www.crn.com/news/client-devices/213000714/motorola-losses-mount-as-phone-sales-slip.htm;jsessionid=4dp5SUpFUtmDAaXvHlkkDA**.ecappj02 | Oct 09 01:47 |
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| gnufreex | 3.6B in one quarter. Yikes | Oct 09 01:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Why doesn't Ballmer just try to make Windows halfway secure? | Oct 09 01:47 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Instead. | Oct 09 01:48 |
| oiaohm | In addition, Jha said Motorola will continue to cut costs in its Mobile Devices division, expecting to save more than $1.2 billion in 2009. << Key line gnufreex | Oct 09 01:48 |
| oiaohm | The down turn did hit motorola hard. | Oct 09 01:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Stuxnet is a Trojan that targets Windows-based superviory and control equipment made by Siemens. Such equipment usually bruns with minimal human intervention. Stuxnet can take over the system and cause it to malfunction. Iraq has admitted that Stuexnet infected systems that contolled its commercial nuclear reactor, but have not said whether it damaged the reactor." | Oct 09 01:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] "Todo o mal do Brasil é que a política é uma profissão, mas os políticos não são profissionais." Pe. Julio Maria | Oct 09 01:49 | |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: I know, but I don't remember I ever heard that Motorola had a good quarter. It is a failing giant. | Oct 09 01:49 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm: Now I am curious to find detailed financials. But can't. | Oct 09 01:50 |
| oiaohm | And MS wants them to pay money for a OS? gnufreex | Oct 09 01:51 |
| oiaohm | I think not. | Oct 09 01:51 |
| gnufreex | I hope they don't pay. And make M$ pay instead. | Oct 09 01:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | if you have noticed, Microsoft goes after the weak. They do not sue Google directly, instead they go after hardware makers that use Android. They do not go after Linux distro's either, unless those distro's have a commerial or server part to them. Red Hat was about the only one to not make a deal with MS. | Oct 09 01:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | That is the MS playbook of divide and conquer, go after the small commerical companies that support Linux. | Oct 09 01:53 |
| oiaohm | So avoiding anti-trust. | Oct 09 01:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Oct 09 01:54 |
| oiaohm | That could completely destroy them. | Oct 09 01:54 |
| oiaohm | Segment by segement method. | Oct 09 01:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they are starting to die anyway | Oct 09 01:54 |
| oiaohm | Problem is result of segment by segment is more hardware makers are expermenting with open source. | Oct 09 01:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Quem te viu e quem te vê: 2 momentos na vida de um homem. Em qual deles ele está representando e mentindo ? http://t.co/LlVZoma | Oct 09 01:59 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Things are happening fast from now until the end of this year. MS has both WP7 and Kinect coming out. Chrome OS is due out, and Android tablets may come out. Apple may release smaller (cheaper maybe) iPad devices. All of these things could be problems for MS. | Oct 09 01:59 |
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| oiaohm | And meego start of next year Chips_B_Malroy | Oct 09 02:00 |
| oiaohm | So 3 way split. | Oct 09 02:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 8/10/2010: More !GNU !Linux at Dell, #Wine 1.2.1, #Firefox 4 Beta http://ur1.ca/20hbo !techrights #roundup | Oct 09 02:01 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | And WebOS by HP, which used to be Palm | Oct 09 02:01 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] #Firefox you gotta be frigging kidding me! I have to restart the browser to _update the Italian dictionary_? | Oct 09 02:04 | |
| gnufreex | I have a feeling that Meego and WebOS are dead. Intruders will do they best to destroy them. | Oct 09 02:05 |
| gnufreex | I mean ex-Microsofties in HP and Nokia. | Oct 09 02:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] O Google Talk Voice tem a tecnologia do Gizmo5 integrada... Hummm, esse Gizmo eu usava, antes da Google comprar. Um Skype pobrezinho... | Oct 09 02:06 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/54545016#notice-55015520 "@schestowitz You said that access is a semi-troll? Not linked to Acacia? Do you have a link?" | Oct 09 02:09 |
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| schestowitz | “a portfolio of patents related to smartphones owned by [Acacia subsidiary] ACCESS Co, Ltd” http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/08/microsoft_patents_acacia/ | Oct 09 02:09 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] amazon said it'd ship in november. i just got a shipment notification. nothing like lowered expectations to change your perceptions. | Oct 09 02:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Acer planning to dual-boot all of its dual-core netbooks, we're dual-unimpressed http://ur1.ca/20fda | Oct 09 02:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] With the forking of #oracle products #virtualbox needs to be next (via @chicagonpg) | Oct 09 02:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Scientist resigns APS over global warming excesses: http://2tu.us/2qss | Oct 09 02:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] RT @cantosoft !joomla 1.5.21 released which has several security fixes. All users are urged to upgrade immediately http://bit.ly/d5QF89 | Oct 09 03:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @copiesofcopies, hey that's better than the placeholder one that I made myself. I wish I'd know about that site. It took me nearly 10 min! | Oct 09 03:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] #digg: 12 Reasons to Try Ubuntu 10.10 Now - PCWorld Business Center http://t.co/ZyXC3Jc | Oct 09 03:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Yay! Got my invitation to http://appinventor.googlelabs.com/. Looks like I might have to skip barcampSG to do this :-). #fb | Oct 09 03:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] Back online around 07:45 US/Eastern tomorrow | Oct 09 04:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] does anyone have a copy of MS publisher who would be willing to convert a .pub to a .doc for me? i'll owe ya :) | Oct 09 04:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Precisamos deixar de sermos egoístas e passar a pensar mais em nós mesmos - Autor desconhecido | Oct 09 04:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Mining impacts complicated http://ur1.ca/20ip3 | Oct 09 05:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Mulher dando o(bota) fora no Marido http://t.co/2wS0J0r | Oct 09 05:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] O Orkut velho era melhor... :-/ | Oct 09 06:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] #gentoo in #vbox. am on a role :)\ | Oct 09 06:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] "Good-bye molar, you've served me well!" says Amrish. #fb http://ur1.ca/20izc | Oct 09 06:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Free Tibet as well! RT @patcito China blanks Nobel Peace prize searches, even blocks SMS mentioning it http://goo.gl/P544 #censorship #fb | Oct 09 06:19 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: http://file.status.net/i/identica/harishpillay-20101009T051730-rsmhl25.jpeg - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 8.46 KB | Oct 09 06:19 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] @harishpillay pure paranoia man | Oct 09 06:21 | |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/54543348#notice-55047563 "@schestowitz one reason not to use ubuntu: it includes non-free software. support trsiquel instead :)" | Oct 09 06:24 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] War on Drugs systematically corrupts police http://ur1.ca/20j5c | Oct 09 06:39 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-news-microsofthealth1008,0,2129755.story | Oct 09 06:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Ends 100% Health Care Coverage For Employees - KTXL .::. Size~: 135.06 KB | Oct 09 06:42 |
| schestowitz | Hi | Oct 09 06:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Hi Roy | Oct 09 06:42 |
| *schestowitz reads | Oct 09 06:42 | |
| schestowitz | punch line? | Oct 09 06:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS is cutting back more benefits to employees, cutting expenses | Oct 09 06:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | it tightning the belt | Oct 09 06:43 |
| schestowitz | layoffs | Oct 09 06:43 |
| schestowitz | <a href="http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-news-microsofthealth1008,0,2129755.story" title="Microsoft Ends 100% Health Care Coverage For Employees"></a> | Oct 09 06:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Ends 100% Health Care Coverage For Employees - KTXL .::. Size~: 135.06 KB | Oct 09 06:43 |
| schestowitz | <blockquote cite="http://www.fox40.com/news/headlines/ktxl-news-microsofthealth1008,0,2129755.story"> | Oct 09 06:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Ends 100% Health Care Coverage For Employees - KTXL .::. Size~: 135.06 KB | Oct 09 06:43 |
| schestowitz | One of the perks of working at Microsoft: Health care costs that were 100% covered by the employer. Until now. | Oct 09 06:43 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft announced to its employees Friday their "gold-plated" health care coverage would end in 2013, at which point the company would require employees to begin contributing to their own health care plans. | Oct 09 06:43 |
| schestowitz | </blockquote> | Oct 09 06:43 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS is acting like a cheap company that is going broke | Oct 09 06:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/flakenstein/status/26770365186 | Oct 09 06:44 |
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| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: no | Oct 09 06:44 |
| schestowitz | Globalisation | Oct 09 06:44 |
| schestowitz | Sweat shop-style bargaining | Oct 09 06:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20101008-712776.html | Oct 09 06:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft To Trim Healthcare Benefits For Employees In 2013 - WSJ.com .::. Size~: 130.57 KB | Oct 09 06:44 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer ought to know a thing or two about SWEAT shops | Oct 09 06:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, in India they (MS) probably do not have any benefits, or they are lots cheaper there if they do. | Oct 09 06:45 |
| schestowitz | At Microsoft Corp., what's the difference bwteen men and dogs? | Oct 09 06:45 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20101008-712776.html | Oct 09 06:45 |
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| schestowitz | Nothing. The dogs don't have to work hard or be thrown overseas, though | Oct 09 06:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | ' <schestowitz> At Microsoft Corp., what's the difference bwteen men and dogs?" Probably depends on what level you in at MS. | Oct 09 06:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] <3 dwm <3 | Oct 09 06:47 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Times are tuff at MS, even Ballmer only made half his bonus for 'good' work. The worker bee's are going have to do without so many health benefits. | Oct 09 06:48 |
| schestowitz | Timing? | Oct 09 06:49 |
| schestowitz | For this | Oct 09 06:50 |
| schestowitz | Whose decision? Board's? | Oct 09 06:50 |
| schestowitz | The week before he got a payrise IIRC | Oct 09 06:50 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | It dosen't say who made the discision, Most likely it was the CEO, Ballmer. | Oct 09 06:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | After all, the CEO is supposed to be the guy in charge. | Oct 09 06:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/08/verizon_windows_phone_7_wet_blanket/ | Oct 09 06:53 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | "Verizon chief operating officer and president Lowell McAdam doesn't see Microsoft as a major player in mobile, saying the future lies with Android, Blackberry, and the iPhone." | Oct 09 06:54 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | If you couldn't laught at MS, then the MS news would be depressing. | Oct 09 06:56 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2010/10/08/google-us-search-market-share-tops-72-in-september/ | Oct 09 06:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google U.S. Search Market Share Tops 72% In September - Tech Trader Daily - Barrons.com .::. Size~: 58.79 KB | Oct 09 06:57 |
| *schestowitz reads | Oct 09 06:58 | |
| schestowitz | [06:53] <Chips_B_Malroy> After all, the CEO is supposed to be the guy in charge. | Oct 09 06:58 |
| schestowitz | There's the board too | Oct 09 06:58 |
| schestowitz | THey can toss him | Oct 09 06:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Bing-powered search - Microsoft (MSFT) and Yahoo (YHOO) combined - had 23.64% share, down from 24.15%. Microsoft alone had 10.1% share, up from 9.87%, while Yahoo slipped to 13.54%, from 14.28%. Ask.com (IACI) had 2.37% of the market, up a bit from 2.28%." | Oct 09 06:58 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | At MS nobody will take the blame for cutting back employee benefits. | Oct 09 06:59 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Whats next for MS Employees? Layoffs, and wage cuts? Most likely. | Oct 09 07:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | If Kinect and WP7, either or both are flops, it could be worse for them. | Oct 09 07:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Especially for Ballmer, they can toss him. | Oct 09 07:01 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Chrome OS coming out is the wild card. Even the smaller iPad's can hurt MS. The competiton could cause more problem for MS and Ballmer than even the flops will. | Oct 09 07:03 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/30886/Report_Microsofts_InGame_Ad_Unit_Massive_Shutting_Down_This_Month.php | Oct 09 07:05 |
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| schestowitz | They wanted to buy RIM | Oct 09 07:05 |
| schestowitz | But back then they had less debt | Oct 09 07:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://blog.seattlepi.com/microsoft/archives/224147.asp | Oct 09 07:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Report: Microsoft shutters in-game ad unit Massive .::. Size~: 65.69 KB | Oct 09 07:05 |
| schestowitz | Massive failure | Oct 09 07:05 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, Rim. I think they cannot afford now to buy anything. Or maybe too afriad too. | Oct 09 07:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | They have a lot of projects going to the chopping block these days. However you spell it, its future layoffs. | Oct 09 07:06 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Despite saying in May that the effectiveness of in-game advertisements blew away expectations, Microsoft reportedly is shuttering its Massive video-game advertising unit four years after acquiring it." | Oct 09 07:07 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS would screw up a wet dream. | Oct 09 07:08 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft collapses fast | Oct 09 07:08 |
| schestowitz | Considering its size that is... | Oct 09 07:08 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The hammer blows to MS are only now about to start. | Oct 09 07:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] in the midst of installing a minimal #gentoo in #vbox | Oct 09 07:09 | |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Microsoft_-_Dead_Divisions_or_Products | Oct 09 07:09 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.google.com/#hl=en&expIds=17259,18168,25567,25980,26645,26994,27006,27015&sugexp=ldymls&xhr=t&q=microsoft&cp=3&um=1&ie=UTF-8&tbo=u&tbs=nws:1&source=og&sa=N&tab=wn&fp=9f2370386c77b788 | Oct 09 07:10 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Live Labs Research Leader Gary Flake Leaves Microsoft | Oct 09 07:10 |
| schestowitz | Just added: | Oct 09 07:11 |
| schestowitz | * Windows Live Spaces (user accounts migrated to another company) [http://techrights.org/2010/09/27/windows-live-spaces-is-dead/ 1] | Oct 09 07:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Another Microsoft Product Effectively Dies: Windows Live Spaces; All Existing Users Migrated to GNU/Linux | Techrights .::. Size~: 108.18 KB | Oct 09 07:11 |
| schestowitz | * Massive (product and division) | Oct 09 07:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "The leader of Microsoft Corp.'s (MSFT) Live Labs research team resigned on Friday, the latest in a series of high-profile departures from the software giant." | Oct 09 07:11 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2010/10/turmoil-at-yahoo-puts-struggling-internet-giant-and-ceo-carol-bartz-in-the-spotlight.html | Oct 09 07:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Turmoil at Yahoo puts struggling Internet giant and its CEO in the spotlight | Technology | Los Angeles Times .::. Size~: 90.91 KB | Oct 09 07:13 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The only part of Yahoo that is safe is Yahoo Japan, thanks to Jerry Yang and the rest of the Yahoo Japan board of directors resisting MS Bing and going instead with Google. | Oct 09 07:14 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Yahoo under Carol Bartz is like the mouse being eaten by the snake, not a pretty sight. | Oct 09 07:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft collapses at an astounding rate this week. It has just killed two divisions and cut health benefits. Details shortly... | Oct 09 07:16 | |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: it's bigger | Oct 09 07:16 |
| schestowitz | It's Live Lab | Oct 09 07:16 |
| schestowitz | Dead | Oct 09 07:16 |
| schestowitz | They say folded into | Oct 09 07:16 |
| schestowitz | EUPHEMISATION | Oct 09 07:16 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | The big layoffs and cutting back however, will not come until Ballmer leaves. | Oct 09 07:17 |
| schestowitz | [07:13] <Chips_B_Malroy> http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/technology/2010/10/turmoil-at-yahoo-puts-struggling-internet-giant-and-ceo-carol-bartz-in-the-spotlight.html | Oct 09 07:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Turmoil at Yahoo puts struggling Internet giant and its CEO in the spotlight | Technology | Los Angeles Times .::. Size~: 90.91 KB | Oct 09 07:17 |
| schestowitz | [07:13] <TechrightsBot-tr> Title: Turmoil at Yahoo puts struggling Internet giant and its CEO in the spotlight | Technology | Los Angeles Times .::. Size~: 90.91 KB | Oct 09 07:17 |
| schestowitz | [07:14] <Chips_B_Malroy> The only part of Yahoo that is safe is Yahoo Japan, thanks to Jerry Yang and the rest of the Yahoo Japan board of directors resisting MS Bing and going instead with Google. | Oct 09 07:17 |
| schestowitz | [07:15] <Chips_B_Malroy> Yahoo under Carol Bartz is like the mouse being eaten by the snake, not a pretty sight. | Oct 09 07:17 |
| schestowitz | Oop | Oct 09 07:17 |
| schestowitz | Oops. Pardon the paste | Oct 09 07:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | np | Oct 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | I'm preparing drafts | Oct 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | Corpus first | Oct 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | I was gonna read some Microsoft news tomorrow | Oct 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | Gates causes damage in other companies too now | Oct 09 07:18 |
| schestowitz | There's no much MSFT news | Oct 09 07:19 |
| schestowitz | Should I maybe drop covering MSFT? | Oct 09 07:19 |
| schestowitz | I guess it's a waste not to cover it during the demise everyone was waiitng for | Oct 09 07:19 |
| schestowitz | Like Novell, which i effectively zombie/dead now | Oct 09 07:19 |
| schestowitz | Just waiting for the undertaker now, maybe vm_bware | Oct 09 07:19 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | If you did, you would be like many sites. the MS news is what sets this site apart from others and gives you viewers. | Oct 09 07:20 |
| schestowitz | *vmb_ware | Oct 09 07:20 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Novell might need a helping hand yet from Singer for moving too slow. | Oct 09 07:20 |
| schestowitz | I need to find balance bwteen doing freedom news and the opposition stuff | Oct 09 07:21 |
| schestowitz | Can't neglect the former bit | Oct 09 07:21 |
| schestowitz | Although it mostly goe under links | Oct 09 07:21 |
| schestowitz | Do you read those? | Oct 09 07:21 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "<schestowitz> I guess it's a waste not to cover it during the demise everyone was waiitng for" and you know they want it | Oct 09 07:21 |
| schestowitz | I've realised I have no clue how people read/use these | Oct 09 07:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I read most stories, but the linux news, not all. Some I am not interested in, because I may not be interested in some distro's. | Oct 09 07:22 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So maybe only half the linux news. | Oct 09 07:23 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I do glance over the other half | Oct 09 07:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @elmaroufy: Tablette #OLPC sous !Android http://is.gd/fSetK | Oct 09 07:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] It's time to prepare for a post-Microsoft world. Office and Windows will stay for a while, the rest (inc. Bong [sic]) will die some time. | Oct 09 07:24 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | I do agree with what one said in irc here: That MS does not have to die. | Oct 09 07:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But I think that one reason that Bill and Steve decided not to fix or improve Windows in a big way, was they bought into the idea that they could not beat Linux, a free OS. | Oct 09 07:25 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | So they decided to just milk the cash cows for as long as they could | Oct 09 07:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | They bought the idea that they could not compete with free. | Oct 09 07:26 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | It is a powerful idea, when you think about it. | Oct 09 07:27 |
| schestowitz | "The first wave will attack the perception that Linux is free."-Brian Valentine, Microsoft | Oct 09 07:27 |
| schestowitz | They try this vs Android now | Oct 09 07:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] #gentoo is hardcore #nix for sure | Oct 09 07:27 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, but its not working for them either | Oct 09 07:28 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | What they forgot is the moble phone companies will put Android on their phones anyway, because unlike WinMO, Android sells. | Oct 09 07:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Quality sells, and MS dosen't have it. | Oct 09 07:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS only game plan is to delay the inevitable. | Oct 09 07:30 |
| schestowitz | yes | Oct 09 07:30 |
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| schestowitz | Apple might help them though | Oct 09 07:30 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | oh yes | Oct 09 07:30 |
| schestowitz | Apple too tried to impose apple tax on HTC | Oct 09 07:31 |
| schestowitz | And to extend that to Android as a whole | Oct 09 07:31 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft loves what Apple does | Oct 09 07:31 |
| schestowitz | Like two ravens | Oct 09 07:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | they are partnes | Oct 09 07:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | partners | Oct 09 07:31 |
| schestowitz | Ellison might be helping Blows, too | Oct 09 07:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | most likely | Oct 09 07:31 |
| schestowitz | The two Steves, BLows and Sweaty, want to kill the notion of free platforms | Oct 09 07:32 |
| schestowitz | Even BSD | Oct 09 07:32 |
| schestowitz | Blows would kill BSD if it was competitive | Oct 09 07:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @seeds the chinese communist party's days are numbered and they know. these are signs of grabbing the last straws. | Oct 09 07:32 | |
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| schestowitz | http://gizmodo.com/5657882/htcs-online-management-and-remote-wipe-site-goes-live-for-latest-androids?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+gizmodo%2Ffull+%28Gizmodo%29 | Oct 09 07:33 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | What has not been talked about much, is the fact that desktop Windows has actually lost some market share percentage since Ballmer has run MS, Anywhere from 4% to over 8% of the marker share depending on which set of facts you use. | Oct 09 07:34 |
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| schestowitz | n libc implementation threatens FTP server | Oct 09 07:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | And it continues to bleed market share at a slow rate, most likely soon to acelerate. | Oct 09 07:35 |
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| schestowitz | Ahhhhhh.. i c | Oct 09 07:36 |
| schestowitz | http://news.opensuse.org/2010/10/07/opensuse-announces-second-11-4-development-milestone-with-new-kernel-openoffice-mesa/ | Oct 09 07:36 |
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| schestowitz | obscrurityU | Oct 09 07:36 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu stole theirt thunder in 2006 | Oct 09 07:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] @harishpillay definitely. it's about time. damn we are in the 21st century. | Oct 09 07:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] NOAA scientists censored http://ur1.ca/20jos | Oct 09 07:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] man #gentoo is mad. lol | Oct 09 07:39 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Remember when Net Apps used to say Windows had a 95.3% desktop market share? Now its down to 91% by their bogus shill like figures. That still more than a 4% lost by a site paid by MS itself. | Oct 09 07:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Well, its late here, so good night. | Oct 09 07:40 |
| schestowitz | I don't link to stuff that links to them | Oct 09 07:40 |
| schestowitz | Ok, thanks for the links | Oct 09 07:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | understood | Oct 09 07:41 |
| schestowitz | I can insert quotations from IRC | Oct 09 07:41 |
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| schestowitz | Epitaph this week | Oct 09 07:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] My uptime record (for a desktop) is around 180 days. That was in 2006 with !ubuntu so anyone who thinks Ubuntu is a toy distro shld rethink. | Oct 09 07:42 | |
| schestowitz | I look forward to the release of ubuntu 10.10. It has moved so far since I first tried Ubuntu 4.10 at work (looked ugly, worked great). | Oct 09 07:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Canonical-prepares-for-a-Sunday-Ubuntu-1103402.html | Oct 09 07:43 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @seeds Aung San Suu Kyi and Liu Xiaobo have suffered for their country. Free them both NOW. | Oct 09 07:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] @harishpillay exactly | Oct 09 07:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] #nix is the greatest. | Oct 09 07:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] so !gentoo is the hidden #nix #gem that takes you to the next level | Oct 09 07:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @openbytes have you considered reviewing ArchBang Linux 2010.10 http://archbang.org/ ? | Oct 09 08:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] OpenXange 2010.10 Live DVD is out. http://xange.serdigital.com/?q=node/24 !kde based | Oct 09 08:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Based on the new ">1%" counter/survey/census, !gnu !Linux is big in Spain. Watch these photos: http://ur1.ca/20jxd | Oct 09 08:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] so that's why #gentoo gives you the bleeding edge. | Oct 09 08:19 | |
| schestowitz | Sam from Ostatic has become a Windows apologist @ http://ostatic.com/blog/desktop-dominance-is-still-not-the-holy-grail-for-linuxhttp://ostatic.com/blog/will-windows-xp-users-chuck-their-os-for-ubuntu?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ostatic+%28OStatic%29 | Oct 09 08:19 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Can someone put together a multi-usb hub to replace this $$$ one? http://www.amazon.com/Aleratec-330106-Copy-Tower-Black/dp/B001RB1XKM #fb | Oct 09 08:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Neelie Kroes (@NeelieKroesEU )finally allows comments in her blogs. She learns to embrace the Web. http://ur1.ca/20k17 | Oct 09 08:29 | |
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| schestowitz | http://business2press.com/2010/09/20/apple-polar-rose-acquisition-facial-recognition-iphone/ | Oct 09 08:48 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @schestowitz It looks very polished... | Oct 09 08:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] man !gentoo is a #nix not for the faint of heart | Oct 09 08:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Euro 2012 !freesoftware qualification day 5 and the sick man of Europe http://ur1.ca/20k8d !fsfe | Oct 09 08:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @agentsmith no, but the current draft is close to final | Oct 09 09:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] “Alan Johnson dismissively claimed Lib Dems were ‘obsessed’ with civil liberties" - http://bit.ly/aDuabX repellent man (via @williamheath) | Oct 09 09:14 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Miliband & Balls must apologise for trampling on civil liberties – Brake | The Liberal Democrats: Latest News Detail .::. Size~: 9.95 KB | Oct 09 09:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Hearing @dfscot explaining what's in Microblogging for lawyers. Interesting stuff, thanks David ;-) | Oct 09 09:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Geek and Poke: - Could you please kill that virtual server? We don't need it anymore... http://goo.gl/WcIl | Oct 09 09:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] What demonstrates that the !fsf is true to principles is recent criticism of its funder Oracle. Michael Moore receives money to leave alone. | Oct 09 09:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Michael Meeks talks about LibreOffice & Document Foundation - http://bit.ly/ds7L3F good interview asking good questions #libreoffice | Oct 09 09:26 | |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: not new | Oct 09 09:27 |
| schestowitz | But good | Oct 09 09:27 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yes not new, but good | Oct 09 09:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU calls Stuxnet 'paradigm shift' as U.S. responds more mildly - http://bit.ly/czsn4h let's hope the draw the right conclusion about Windows | Oct 09 09:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Why Imitation Gets A Bad Rap... And Why Companies Need To Be More Serious About Copying - http://bit.ly/d5fM8H Darwinian stuff #copying | Oct 09 09:29 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Why Imitation Gets A Bad Rap... And Why Companies Need To Be More Serious About Copying | Techdirt .::. Size~: 35.47 KB | Oct 09 09:29 |
| schestowitz | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/09/zeus-botnet-ring/ | Oct 09 09:35 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] "Hidden" Language Found in Remote Indian Tribe - http://bit.ly/bjATlm ooh, exciting; Tibeto-Burman in case you were wondering #linguistics | Oct 09 09:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #HTML5: The jewel in the Open Web Platform - http://bit.ly/cWfHGI "The power of this platform is that it is so comprehensive." #openweb | Oct 09 09:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] crashing out while #gentoo installs in #vbox it will have to wait for me as i waited | Oct 09 10:04 | |
| sebsebseb | Heres a good one http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2010/08/fanboi-stops-here.html | Oct 09 10:07 |
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| sebsebseb | http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2010/08/fanboi-stops-here.html | Oct 09 10:07 |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: seen it, thanks | Oct 09 10:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Linux-based flying robots use swarm AI for rescue ops http://ur1.ca/20ko7 "used to log location and trajectory and communicate..." | Oct 09 10:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] linux should take over the world and then .. | Oct 09 10:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @seeds ... we'll remove the proprietary layer that sits on top of it :-) | Oct 09 10:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] @schestowitz yea. haha | Oct 09 10:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Seven-inch Android tablet starts at $130 http://ur1.ca/20kp9 "800MHz "Nationite MIDnite" seven-inch tablet" >less than half price of #Vista7 | Oct 09 10:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @webmink I'm beginning to see why you won't talk about #mysql @ oracle. What to do...? | Oct 09 10:19 | |
| sebsebseb | http://blogs.computerworld.com/17106/take_that_microsoft_ie_drops_below_50 | Oct 09 10:28 |
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| sebsebseb | Good stuff! http://blogs.computerworld.com/17106/take_that_microsoft_ie_drops_below_50 | Oct 09 10:28 |
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| schestowitz | Just one mreasure | Oct 09 10:31 |
| schestowitz | Don't know how their population/sample is distributed, surely not evenly | Oct 09 10:32 |
| schestowitz | And I don't know what they measure on it, either | Oct 09 10:32 |
| schestowitz | Net Applications won't even sau | Oct 09 10:32 |
| schestowitz | It's a ecret | Oct 09 10:33 |
| schestowitz | Star Counter IIRC is the one claiming <50% | Oct 09 10:33 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well either way they are losing a lot of market share for IE :) | Oct 09 10:33 |
| schestowitz | Good. | Oct 09 10:37 |
| schestowitz | The Web is vital to the future | Oct 09 10:37 |
| schestowitz | It becomes a media player... | Oct 09 10:37 |
| schestowitz | A hub for chatting | Oct 09 10:37 |
| schestowitz | [facebook for example] | Oct 09 10:38 |
| schestowitz | Gaming in MM mode [flash] | Oct 09 10:38 |
| schestowitz | Banking/management platform | Oct 09 10:38 |
| schestowitz | Office tasks (collab, mail, spreadsheets, presentations, etc.) | Oct 09 10:38 |
| schestowitz | I still have my old presentation in HTML+JS form | Oct 09 10:39 |
| schestowitz | From like half a decade back when many people still use Office | Oct 09 10:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @bkuhn Just say that you don't like it. It's OK. ;) | Oct 09 10:39 | |
| schestowitz | I remember giving my presentations in HTML as far back as 2002-2003 when it was seen as odd cause I had to hand-craft all the page | Oct 09 10:39 |
| schestowitz | Now there are tools | Oct 09 10:40 |
| schestowitz | And IE gets bad experience | Oct 09 10:40 |
| sebsebseb | http://blog.worldlabel.com/2010/50-open-source-tools-to-make-your-life-easier-2.html | Oct 09 10:40 |
| sebsebseb | http://blog.worldlabel.com/2010/50-open-source-tools-to-make-your-life-easier-2.html | Oct 09 10:40 |
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| schestowitz | No transparent PNGs in IE6 | Oct 09 10:40 |
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| schestowitz | It used to be the opposite... MSIE would have you better off | Oct 09 10:40 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Research/resindex.htm | Oct 09 10:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Think #patents reward inventions? Read how a Nobel laureate knows better http://bit.ly/9JxtQr (and HE has a breakthrough!) Via @janhushar | Oct 09 10:44 | |
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| schestowitz | I can't find some stuff I remember | Oct 09 10:45 |
| schestowitz | It was one of the older ones.. | Oct 09 10:45 |
| schestowitz | Oh, found it.. | Oct 09 10:45 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Research/January_Presentation/pres_jan04.htm | Oct 09 10:46 |
| schestowitz | Manually.. frameset | Oct 09 10:46 |
| schestowitz | Back in the days | Oct 09 10:46 |
| schestowitz | Later I used S5..e.g. http://schestowitz.com/Research/Progress/Reports/2005-2006/RSPRS077/ | Oct 09 10:47 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !techrights will post its 12,000th post some time later this year, probably December. 4-year anniversary one month away. | Oct 09 10:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @Omar_S_Hafez I'm at #LinuxFestJo right now, listening to Areej Obeidat from Savvytech ( #RedHat deputies in #Jordan ). Great stuff! | Oct 09 10:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @toros Geek and Poke: - Could you please kill that virtual server? We don't need it anymore... http://goo.gl/WcIl | Oct 09 10:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @carlopiana I think assuming that #patents are the sole way to monetise invention is like assuming the journals alone disseminate knowledge | Oct 09 11:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Web is a wonderful thing. Presentations I gave 7 years ago are still being used, and found exactly by the target crowd without trouble. | Oct 09 11:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] DIE RUSSEN KOMMEN! LUFTALARM!!!! | Oct 09 11:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Air sirens in Bonn! Is this a retaliatory strike by the Turkish airforce or just the usual test of the anti-terrorism features? | Oct 09 11:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New gaming handhelds run Linux, of course http://ur1.ca/20l1y http://ur1.ca/20l1z | Oct 09 11:14 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 'open source ICT Centre' launched http://gbcghana.com/index.php?id=1.145794 "open source ICT centre for West African countries." | Oct 09 11:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] The Document Foundation has a XING group now: http://www.xing.com/group-60064.a12be3 | Oct 09 11:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @methoddan: My capacity to get lost in Manchester always amazes me. This morning a closed road and diversions were my nemisis. | Oct 09 11:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz New gaming handhelds run Linux, of course http://ur1.ca/20l1y http://ur1.ca/20l1z | Oct 09 11:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] H.P. Lovecraft in a nutshell: It's indescribable, utter horror that melts the mind - but I can't tell you, it's too terrible! | Oct 09 11:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] http://ur1.ca/20l73 - Interesting: The Open Government Licence used by the UK government to release open data | Oct 09 11:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] "GNU/Linux Day" Oct. 10, 2010 - #Facebook campaign to show others that #Linux users are much more than 1% http://tinyurl.com/2fb6qg5 #gnu | Oct 09 11:39 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xo-Rx8cRkm8 | Oct 09 11:40 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] "GNU/Linux Day" 10.10.2010 - campanie #Facebook pentru a arăta că utilizatorii #Linux reprezintă mult peste 1% http://tinyurl.com/2fb6qg5 | Oct 09 11:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @pulmross According to Statcounter !Firefox is on the way of overtaking IE in Europe :D is.gd/fSWNg | Oct 09 11:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Just installed our new Torsby kitchen table. This thing looks like the fucking map room stat table from BSG! :D | Oct 09 11:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] BE COUNTED! The "We are more than 1%" campaign counts GNU/Linux desktop users http://tinyurl.com/2wq74es #gnu #linux #windows #microsoft | Oct 09 11:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kirschner/@kirschner] Fixing bugs for web sprint http://ur1.ca/20lce !fsfe | Oct 09 11:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] John Carmack (yes, that one) loves his Tesla Roadster http://ur1.ca/20lcb !miotd | Oct 09 11:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RECENSĂMÂNT! Campania "We are more than 1%" numără utilizatorii GNU/Linux pe desktop http://tinyurl.com/2wq74es #linux #romania #gnu #foss | Oct 09 12:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Sesame Street: Smell Like A Monster http://ur1.ca/20lei | Oct 09 12:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Rich people are the cause of Bee Colony Collapse Disorder http://ur1.ca/20lgs | Oct 09 12:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @Omar_S_Hafez Reid Hoffman convinced the people at @Jeeran last year to dump #Microsoft technologies. They are now moving towards LAMP. | Oct 09 12:19 | |
| sebsebseb | http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010083000135RVCY | Oct 09 12:20 |
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| sebsebseb | and again :D http://www.linuxtoday.com/infrastructure/2010083000135RVCY | Oct 09 12:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://digg.com/news/technology/microsoft_chief_executive_patent_laws_need_reforming_technology_guardian_co_uk | Oct 09 12:32 |
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| schestowitz | Heh | Oct 09 12:32 |
| schestowitz | "The Guardian has been getting sloppy. As you may or may not know, it's now funded by the Gates Foundation too, which may explain the bias. Ballmer wants software patents in the EU." | Oct 09 12:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 9/10/2010: More Android Tablets, Drupal in Tablet World, Joomla! 1.5.21 Released http://ur1.ca/20llv old & new | Oct 09 12:39 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to the Richard III cast photo shoot... | Oct 09 12:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Oracle vs. #Android: #Google denies #patent infringement allegations and insists on #open source http://tinyurl.com/3xaqjmy #gnu #linux | Oct 09 13:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] 50 Open Source Tools to Make Your Life Easier [Not all Linux compatible] | Worldlabel Blog http://ping.fm/eQX1H | Oct 09 13:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] From the land of Shell http://ping.fm/FlTeY | Oct 09 13:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Sintel Introduces the Next Generation in Animated Films | Linux Journal http://ping.fm/X1vZS | Oct 09 13:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'd only heard of 2 out of these 5 Linux Music Tag Editors http://ping.fm/Ras16 | Oct 09 13:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] What Do Broadcom Drivers Mean for Linux Uptake? http://ping.fm/f5I4D | Oct 09 13:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !VirtualBox: An Observation | Linux Journal http://ping.fm/k3RIO | Oct 09 13:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Why Microsoft Buying Adobe Threatens Desktop Linux - Matt Hartley Dot Com | Matt Hartley Dot Com http://ping.fm/aYXB8 | Oct 09 13:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Frustrated with Flash taking up obscene system resources - a Reddit discussion http://ping.fm/uvk59 | Oct 09 13:39 | |
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| oiaohm | Really a merge like Microsoft and Adobe is the start of the end of closed source software. | Oct 09 13:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] In a weird sort of way Reddit is taking the place of usenet. I don't know as I like that idea but it's hard to avoid | Oct 09 13:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Apache Shindig Gets Social — Developer.com http://ping.fm/x0vfa | Oct 09 13:44 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Tuned into radio 7 to find a play about the death of John Lennon- way too depressing a subject- tuned straight out again. | Oct 09 13:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Alan Pope: Who setup ubuntunews? http://ping.fm/FlLJs | Oct 09 13:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[graziano/@graziano] ♻ @coltem OpenStreetMap, la wiki-mappa libera del mondo http://www.openstreetmap.org/ !lpitalia | Oct 09 14:24 | |
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| schestowitz | "Considering the 1B file art. says nothing about sys. other than !linux, I dont see where they fail… saying that is baseless. :/" http://identi.ca/conversation/54537440#notice-55106737 | Oct 09 14:25 |
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| schestowitz | This recent article fits here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/24/sysadmin_file_tools/ | Oct 09 14:25 |
| schestowitz | Pffftt. This recent article fits here: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/09/24/sysadmin_file_tools/ | Oct 09 14:26 |
| schestowitz | http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=ro&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=1&sl=ro&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fstudentclub.ro%2Ftodi%2Farchive%2F2010%2F10%2F09%2Fntrebarea-s-pt-m-nii-am-mai-multe-servere-linux-dec-t-windows-pot-s-le-virtualizez-pe-toate-pe-hyper-v.aspx | Oct 09 14:26 |
| schestowitz | Sorry about the double-paste | Oct 09 14:27 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] An XML parser written in x86 assembly http://ur1.ca/20mau #ohgodwhat | Oct 09 14:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Photo shoot done. Now to do the necessary grocery shopping... | Oct 09 14:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] A lovebug just launched from my dreads. No clue how long the little fella has been hanging around in there... :) | Oct 09 15:02 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-09-16/murdoch-banks-on-rooney-hooker-cricket-bribes-to-push-newspaper-paywalls.html | Oct 09 15:03 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] The #nokia USB stick given at the #appsma only contains the QT SDK for Mac and Windows? #fail #formatting | Oct 09 15:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Finally managing my podcast on #gpodder.net cleaning up the old ones, and adding some new ones! :) | Oct 09 15:21 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1740978/ubuntu-1010-release-set | Oct 09 15:23 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @pietercolpaert The #nokia USB stick given at the #appsma only contains the QT SDK for Mac and Windows? #fail #formatting | Oct 09 15:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Mexican Senate Unanimously Votes To Remove Mexico From #ACTA Negotations http://ur1.ca/20mnv | Oct 09 15:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Anyone proposing reducing freedom to reduce sharecropping has an agenda and a lack of historical awareness. | Oct 09 15:31 | |
| gnufreex | Lefty removed evidence about LLVM http://en.swpat.org/wiki/Apple#Patents_using_.22LLVM.22_but_referring_to_something_else | Oct 09 15:39 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] On Screen: "Filmed in Fantascope" Crow: "I love orange soda!" … Crow: "Good place to side-hack! This is where cows side-hack!" #MST3K S02E02 | Oct 09 15:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Putting on the music, pizza in the oven, beer in the fridge... The furniture building afternoon can begin... | Oct 09 15:41 | |
| oiaohm | Yep I have not raised that one either. Use of LLVM gets in you apples gun sites to a point. | Oct 09 15:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] http://ur1.ca/20mt5 - Ik praat maandag 11 oktober over «vrije cultuur» in het KAHO St Lieven. Iedereen welkom #techmonday | Oct 09 15:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] “processors always absorb functionality". full virt support via a KVM-like hypervisor would be on chip soon, I hope! http://ur1.ca/20mwe #fb | Oct 09 15:59 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/54611418#notice-55120884 "I woud like URIs to boþ facts. Any?" | Oct 09 15:59 |
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| schestowitz | Some people seem not to know that ORCL funded the FSF now | Oct 09 15:59 |
| schestowitz | The Java lawsuit was a mass | Oct 09 16:00 |
| schestowitz | The Java lawsuit was a mess | Oct 09 16:00 |
| DiabloD3 | s/was/is/ | Oct 09 16:00 |
| schestowitz | see | Oct 09 16:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fsf.org/patrons http://www.fsf.org/news/oracle-v-google | Oct 09 16:00 |
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| schestowitz | DiabloD3: yes | Oct 09 16:00 |
| DiabloD3 | schestowitz: pretty sure google has given the fsf money too | Oct 09 16:00 |
| schestowitz | Not as much | Oct 09 16:01 |
| gnufreex | [16:43:07] <oiaohm> Yep I have not raised that one either. Use of LLVM gets in you apples gun sites to a point. | Oct 09 16:01 |
| gnufreex | This is not specific to LLVM-Clang, but it is for LLVM-JITer like Mono-LLVM | Oct 09 16:01 |
| gnufreex | They patented a way to make low level VM that is Harware agnostic. | Oct 09 16:02 |
| gnufreex | Like JVM | Oct 09 16:02 |
| gnufreex | Just low level. | Oct 09 16:02 |
| DiabloD3 | gnufreex: it doesnt really matter | Oct 09 16:02 |
| DiabloD3 | the technique was probably invented 40 years ago | Oct 09 16:02 |
| gnufreex | C doesn't infringe that. | Oct 09 16:02 |
| DiabloD3 | infact, I bet IBM already patented whatever Apple thinks they did | Oct 09 16:02 |
| gnufreex | DiabloD3: No it isn't. Read the patent. | Oct 09 16:02 |
| gnufreex | In fact, it is not ap patent yet. | Oct 09 16:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Canary Wharf is a ‘petrol station’ for some of the most rare migrating birds - http://bit.ly/aXtQ9W unintended consequences #birds #london | Oct 09 16:02 | |
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| gnufreex | It is application. | Oct 09 16:02 |
| gnufreex | If you implement Closure on LLVM, it will go faster than on JVM | Oct 09 16:03 |
| gnufreex | But you will infringe. | Oct 09 16:03 |
| DiabloD3 | gnufreex: erm | Oct 09 16:03 |
| DiabloD3 | but Oracle owns a JVM that uses LLVM. | Oct 09 16:03 |
| gnufreex | I meant Clojure | Oct 09 16:03 |
| gnufreex | Or SCALA | Oct 09 16:03 |
| DiabloD3 | thus | Oct 09 16:04 |
| DiabloD3 | Oracle should sue Apple | Oct 09 16:04 |
| gnufreex | LLVM don't have anything to do with JVM | Oct 09 16:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Plutonian Striptease VI: Mark Garrett - http://pluto.kuri.mu/2010/10/03/plutonian-striptease-vi-marc-garrett/ | Oct 09 16:04 | |
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| gnufreex | This is different technique. | Oct 09 16:04 |
| gnufreex | Red the patent. | Oct 09 16:04 |
| gnufreex | It taks about JavaScript specificaly. | Oct 09 16:04 |
| gnufreex | But you coud do Clojure or Scala in same way. | Oct 09 16:05 |
| gnufreex | It is patent on JITing with LLVM | Oct 09 16:05 |
| DiabloD3 | but | Oct 09 16:05 |
| DiabloD3 | why bother jit on llvm at all? | Oct 09 16:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Ordering some stronger smileys. These ones don't seem to be doing the job. ;-) | Oct 09 16:06 | |
| DiabloD3 | kinda seems pointless now that llvm so fast | Oct 09 16:06 |
| gnufreex | It supose to be faster. | Oct 09 16:06 |
| gnufreex | I don't beleive that it is so fast, since BSD zealots are fixing benchmarks to prove that LLVM-Clang is faster than GCC. But anyways.. | Oct 09 16:08 |
| DiabloD3 | clang sucks, though | Oct 09 16:09 |
| gnufreex | LLVM-GCC is still slower than real GCC. And BSD folks are setting benchmarks to make it seem faster | Oct 09 16:10 |
| gnufreex | They use GCC 3.4 | Oct 09 16:10 |
| gnufreex | Or so. | Oct 09 16:10 |
| DiabloD3 | its not about how fast it compiles | Oct 09 16:10 |
| DiabloD3 | thats a retarded benchmark | Oct 09 16:10 |
| gnufreex | I know | Oct 09 16:11 |
| gnufreex | But say that to them | Oct 09 16:11 |
| DiabloD3 | its about how good the code is | Oct 09 16:11 |
| DiabloD3 | I will say that to them | Oct 09 16:11 |
| DiabloD3 | I've been coding C longer than they have | Oct 09 16:11 |
| DiabloD3 | they're just children to me | Oct 09 16:11 |
| gnufreex | They claim that GCC makes unstable code. | Oct 09 16:11 |
| DiabloD3 | GCC DOES make unstable code | Oct 09 16:11 |
| DiabloD3 | go look at gentoo | Oct 09 16:11 |
| gnufreex | And that infects everything with GPL | Oct 09 16:11 |
| DiabloD3 | do _not_ touch the fucking flags outside of -Os and O2 unless you know EXACTLY what they do | Oct 09 16:11 |
| gnufreex | DiabloD3 what is wrong with gentoo? | Oct 09 16:11 |
| gnufreex | I never had problems. | Oct 09 16:11 |
| gnufreex | Neither with GCC or gento. | Oct 09 16:12 |
| DiabloD3 | nothing would be wrong with gentoo if the users would quit fucking shit up | Oct 09 16:12 |
| DiabloD3 | HURR CFLAGS | Oct 09 16:12 |
| DiabloD3 | morons | Oct 09 16:12 |
| DiabloD3 | also, how can gcc infect anything with GPL? | Oct 09 16:12 |
| gnufreex | Ask them | Oct 09 16:12 |
| DiabloD3 | licenses do not have anything to do with what the program DOES | Oct 09 16:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Finally got around to updating the firmware on my Sansa Fuze MP3 player, gave a reason to bootup my Windows machine. ;) | Oct 09 16:12 | |
| DiabloD3 | thats like Adobe owning all art on the Internet because it was done in Photoshop | Oct 09 16:12 |
| gnufreex | I know that GCC has exception that says that things parsed from GCC into the binary are not subject GCC. | Oct 09 16:13 |
| gnufreex | So it programs don't have to be GPL | Oct 09 16:13 |
| gnufreex | Or open source at all. | Oct 09 16:14 |
| gnufreex | But they claim that GCC is viral. Even LLVM site has some vague shit about that. | Oct 09 16:15 |
| gnufreex | That is their main sell point. | Oct 09 16:15 |
| MinceR | not all the art on the Internet was done with failshop. | Oct 09 16:15 |
| cubezzz | of course not | Oct 09 16:15 |
| DiabloD3 | gnufreex: btw no | Oct 09 16:15 |
| cubezzz | there's inkscape and gimp | Oct 09 16:15 |
| DiabloD3 | GCC's exception is there to shut people up | Oct 09 16:15 |
| DiabloD3 | its a no-op otherwise | Oct 09 16:15 |
| cubezzz | photoshop probably sticks tag info in raster images though | Oct 09 16:16 |
| gnufreex | They target propriatary developers and say: GCC has scary license, use LLVM. DiabloD3 | Oct 09 16:16 |
| gnufreex | That is their main feautre. | Oct 09 16:16 |
| DiabloD3 | OH THE GPL IS SO SCARY | Oct 09 16:16 |
| DiabloD3 | IT MIGHT GET ME WHEN IM SLEEPING | Oct 09 16:16 |
| DiabloD3 | OH NOES | Oct 09 16:16 |
| MinceR | m$ and crApple are probably shitting their pants, to be fair | Oct 09 16:16 |
| cubezzz | let them :) | Oct 09 16:17 |
| DiabloD3 | MinceR: :D | Oct 09 16:17 |
| MinceR | all that code they don't get to steal | Oct 09 16:17 |
| gnufreex | It is easy to convince propriatary companies not to use GPL'd compiler. | Oct 09 16:17 |
| gnufreex | FUD works. | Oct 09 16:17 |
| cubezzz | yeah because they just love paying for a compiler :) | Oct 09 16:18 |
| DiabloD3 | MinceR: except microsoft ships gcc | Oct 09 16:18 |
| cubezzz | it's so fun | Oct 09 16:18 |
| DiabloD3 | gnufreex: except no one cares about propriatary companies | Oct 09 16:18 |
| DiabloD3 | if you're on linux, you obviously cant compile your binaries with msvc. | Oct 09 16:18 |
| DiabloD3 | you use the compiler of your distro. period. | Oct 09 16:18 |
| schestowitz | Sweaty wants "my gcc", Blows wants "iGCC" | Oct 09 16:18 |
| MinceR | DiabloD3: unmodified, do they not? | Oct 09 16:18 |
| schestowitz | THese companies want control | Oct 09 16:18 |
| MinceR | and with source | Oct 09 16:19 |
| schestowitz | LF members fund for people to decentralise it | Oct 09 16:19 |
| cubezzz | where would we be without gcc? | Oct 09 16:19 |
| cubezzz | it's pretty important | Oct 09 16:19 |
| DiabloD3 | MinceR: yeah, it uses the mingw/cygwin stuff upstream | Oct 09 16:19 |
| gnufreex | [17:19:05] <cubezzz> where would we be without gcc? | Oct 09 16:20 |
| gnufreex | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/right-to-read.html | Oct 09 16:20 |
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| MinceR | also, they won't update it since newer GCC is GPL3 :> | Oct 09 16:20 |
| DiabloD3 | yeah, the GPL3 thing for them is an issue | Oct 09 16:20 |
| cubezzz | even bsd uses gcc | Oct 09 16:20 |
| DiabloD3 | since GNU could steal MSVC patents via that | Oct 09 16:20 |
| MinceR | bsd fanboys like to bash GPL-ed stuff while using it | Oct 09 16:21 |
| MinceR | and they also like to slam the FSF | Oct 09 16:21 |
| cubezzz | hmmm | Oct 09 16:21 |
| MinceR | a particularly rabid bsd fanboy i knew uses emacs :> | Oct 09 16:21 |
| gnufreex | MinceR: I spoped using FreeBSD just because of that. | Oct 09 16:21 |
| DiabloD3 | emacs is so fucking shit | Oct 09 16:21 |
| gnufreex | *stoped | Oct 09 16:21 |
| MinceR | it is a deterrent for me | Oct 09 16:22 |
| DiabloD3 | and yeah, I fucking hate license bigots | Oct 09 16:22 |
| schestowitz | git was another Linux departure from proprietary tools. | Oct 09 16:22 |
| DiabloD3 | bsd, gpl, who cares | Oct 09 16:22 |
| DiabloD3 | its open source either way | Oct 09 16:22 |
| DiabloD3 | schestowitz: thats backwards though | Oct 09 16:22 |
| DiabloD3 | schestowitz: linux was done using a combination of "by hand" and cvs | Oct 09 16:22 |
| DiabloD3 | cvs is open source | Oct 09 16:22 |
| DiabloD3 | linus went to proprietary and back again | Oct 09 16:22 |
| schestowitz | Jobs has gcc phobia and Linux too. His staff wanted Linux for hypePhone, but reportedly it's him who said no | Oct 09 16:22 |
| schestowitz | So same with GCC | Oct 09 16:23 |
| schestowitz | Liveless, hearfuless man... doctros could not compile him back. The linker crapped out. | Oct 09 16:23 |
| DiabloD3 | liverless too | Oct 09 16:23 |
| schestowitz | THat's a typo | Oct 09 16:23 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 09 16:23 |
| MinceR | well said, DiabloD3 | Oct 09 16:23 |
| schestowitz | I meant to type liverless | Oct 09 16:23 |
| schestowitz | He calls the old one Moe | Oct 09 16:24 |
| schestowitz | THey put it in a jar and auction Moe for $1bn | Oct 09 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Apple has many rich fans | Oct 09 16:24 |
| MinceR | or they're trying to make it sentient | Oct 09 16:24 |
| DiabloD3 | didnt he get his new one from some chinese kid that was working for foxconn or some shit? | Oct 09 16:24 |
| schestowitz | Buy your part of Steve now... | Oct 09 16:24 |
| MinceR | or they could cut it up and embed the pieces in acrylic, and auction them off to cultists | Oct 09 16:24 |
| schestowitz | DiabloD3: maybe | Oct 09 16:25 |
| schestowitz | I reckon they waited for 20 to leap | Oct 09 16:25 |
| MinceR | DiabloD3: provided the chinese kid didn't flatten his | Oct 09 16:25 |
| MinceR | though i've seen they've put up nets to keep the livers intact... | Oct 09 16:25 |
| schestowitz | Then, like a man paring at lobsters, they let him select the one he fancied | Oct 09 16:25 |
| DiabloD3 | MinceR: no one says they're not cutting the organs out and THEN tossing the half-alive body off the building | Oct 09 16:25 |
| MinceR | true | Oct 09 16:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ender2070/@ender2070] Calculate Linux, I had high hopes but you release a new version today with an obsolete KDE SC 4.4.5 :( !kde !linux | Oct 09 16:26 | |
| schestowitz | The Steve of Oz | Oct 09 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Searching for a heart, still | Oct 09 16:27 |
| schestowitz | Is there a book about him off stage/cameras? | Oct 09 16:28 |
| schestowitz | He's just competing with other rich people now, so why would he share? He's no better than Ellison | Oct 09 16:28 |
| schestowitz | You can actually tell a lot from them being buddies | Oct 09 16:28 |
| MinceR | geekings | Oct 09 16:29 |
| schestowitz | Charlatan clubs are unhealthy to society for reasons now discussed on -social channel | Oct 09 16:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Multi-Touch For The X.Org Synaptics Driver http://ur1.ca/20n4c | Oct 09 16:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Wow. These fucking chairs take 1h each to build. This happens when you don't buy Ikea.... | Oct 09 16:29 | |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: do you figure there will be a race about how many livers can one human have? :> | Oct 09 16:29 |
| schestowitz | Not likely | Oct 09 16:29 |
| schestowitz | But anyway, mortrality is already high | Oct 09 16:30 |
| schestowitz | If you reinstall organs you'll have more people who can afford it (because they exploit others in many cases) livign longer | Oct 09 16:30 |
| schestowitz | Taking up resources | Oct 09 16:31 |
| schestowitz | brb | Oct 09 16:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ender2070/@ender2070] @reality I have tried Sabayon, it's alright but I wish it had GCC 4.5.x | Oct 09 16:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ender2070/@ender2070] I'm really enjoying openSUSE 11.3 - it's what i'm not getting out of Fedora 14. Can't wait for 11.4 now :) !kde !linux !suse !opensuse | Oct 09 16:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] How the Left Hemisphere Colonized Reality http://ur1.ca/20n7i | Oct 09 16:37 | |
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| Ender2070 | hey | Oct 09 16:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Politician Tied Up In Warez Scene Piracy Investigation http://tinyurl.com/3xure25 !piracy !tpb !bittorrent | Oct 09 16:44 | |
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| gnufreex | What a heck... this troll realy has no better stuff to do http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2010/10/microsoft-licenses-palm-tech-from-patent-troll-acacia.ars?comments=1#comment-20890227 | Oct 09 16:44 |
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| gnufreex | He is putting that all over the internet. | Oct 09 16:45 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Heres something a bit retro... OpenSonic! for Linux! http://www.penguspy.com/open-sonic/ !games !linux !foss !sonicthehedgehog | Oct 09 16:46 | |
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| gnufreex | schestowitz: see the link I posted. | Oct 09 16:46 |
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| Ender2070 | he lost his job, and he has nothing to do left but troll | Oct 09 16:49 |
| gnufreex | Funny thing, he went on a tirade only based on my comment on this IRC. | Oct 09 16:50 |
| gnufreex | And later trolled me on identi.ca | Oct 09 16:50 |
| gnufreex | He is apple fanboy. Or paid shill. | Oct 09 16:50 |
| gnufreex | Church of appjle | Oct 09 16:50 |
| gnufreex | Ender2070: Do you know what is this about? | Oct 09 16:51 |
| gnufreex | It is about me saying that Apple applied for a patent fro LLVM JavaScript JITer | Oct 09 16:51 |
| gnufreex | He went to ciarran on endSwPats.org and bugged him until he removed the evidence. | Oct 09 16:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] why do the cast of #PCProPodcast speak at 100mph? It's impossible to listen to at times, justoundslikerambnling. Slow down a bit guys FFS | Oct 09 16:52 | |
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| Ender2071 | _Goblin - I settled on openSUSE KDE | Oct 09 16:55 |
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| _Goblin | Ender2071: Havent used it for years, but after reading a few comments about KDE Sabayon, its probably a good choice. | Oct 09 16:56 |
| Ender2071 | I tried sabayon for a few days | Oct 09 16:57 |
| Ender2071 | I normally use Fedora but their policy change.... | Oct 09 16:58 |
| _Goblin | ah | Oct 09 16:58 |
| Ender2071 | If I have to use repositories to get the latest KDE, openSUSE offers better options | Oct 09 16:58 |
| Ender2071 | openSUSE even has KDE trunk repos | Oct 09 16:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] and i start the morning or the day "as i lay dying" | Oct 09 16:59 | |
| _Goblin | having said that I don't like KDE, there are a few apps that I rely on.... | Oct 09 16:59 |
| _Goblin | K3b | Oct 09 16:59 |
| _Goblin | and up until recently Klibido | Oct 09 16:59 |
| _Goblin | then I switched to Hellanzb | Oct 09 16:59 |
| Ender2071 | what is Klibido ? | Oct 09 17:00 |
| _Goblin | nzb grabber (binaries) | Oct 09 17:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] @mairin That's a feature, not a bug. Helps me find new, interesting people at times. Otherwise I use what I call a SCROLL function. :-) | Oct 09 17:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] I updated all my machines to #Maverick. Good bye, #Lucid, I really enjoyed the last 6 months with you! | Oct 09 17:01 | |
| Ender2071 | ohh okay | Oct 09 17:02 |
| Ender2071 | openSUSE 11.4 for example, will have multisource downloading for updates | Oct 09 17:02 |
| Ender2071 | kind of like torrenting, downloading from multiple http sources | Oct 09 17:03 |
| Ender2071 | Qt 4.7 too | Oct 09 17:03 |
| _Goblin | talking of which....what torrent client do you use? | Oct 09 17:03 |
| Ender2071 | they already use link time optimization, it puts them in front in benchmarks | Oct 09 17:03 |
| Ender2071 | ktorrent | Oct 09 17:04 |
| _Goblin | ah...ok... | Oct 09 17:04 |
| _Goblin | I was hoping it would be Deluge. | Oct 09 17:04 |
| Ender2071 | I hate Deluge | Oct 09 17:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] CBC decision highlights Creative Commons drawbacks - http://bit.ly/9gZuog and shows that the GPL got it right: no restrictions #licensing | Oct 09 17:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Finished second roller skating class; getting better a little at a time! More momentum achieved this time + getting the hang of scissors. | Oct 09 17:04 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: CBC decision highlights Creative Commons drawbacks | TeleRead: Bring the E-Books Home .::. Size~: 31.44 KB | Oct 09 17:04 |
| _Goblin | I want to know why people think Deluge is better than transmission....theres never been a proper answer. | Oct 09 17:04 |
| Ender2071 | other than ktorrent, my favorite is transmission | Oct 09 17:04 |
| _Goblin | utorrent is coming to Linux soon | Oct 09 17:05 |
| Ender2071 | transmission has qt code to integrate nicely | Oct 09 17:05 |
| MinceR | my favorite is rtorrent | Oct 09 17:05 |
| Ender2071 | utorrent would be alright if it was FOSS | Oct 09 17:05 |
| Ender2071 | its the best closed source client | Oct 09 17:05 |
| _Goblin | yeah I think that will be an issue for many people. | Oct 09 17:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @glynmoody even now, if #cc would establish a #FreeCC brand, the impact could be averted for the Free folks. @creativecommons | Oct 09 17:06 | |
| Ender2071 | transmission is a nice one though, works well | Oct 09 17:07 |
| Ender2071 | i dont use torrents too often anymore though | Oct 09 17:08 |
| Ender2071 | usually I grab the 700mb livecd images that distros provide | Oct 09 17:08 |
| Ender2071 | http is faster in that situation | Oct 09 17:08 |
| Ender2071 | especially with filtering that all the isps do here | Oct 09 17:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @glynmoody "Without copying, YOU wouldn't be here!" let the anti copying folks deal with that thought. | Oct 09 17:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Watching Vote for Change while I build all the chairs... #bruce #rem #pearljam #j5 #dixiechicks #fogerty | Oct 09 17:09 | |
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| _Goblin | Ender2071: Usenet......the only way.... | Oct 09 17:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] But it presents dangers already. We(Brazil) had a shipment of medicines blocked because of ACTA... | Oct 09 17:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] loving the professional attention to detail on the #PCProPodcast "wordpress image" "no intro or end music" - classy | Oct 09 17:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @glynmoody But it presents dangers already. We(Brazil) had a shipment of medicines blocked because of ACTA... | Oct 09 17:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] winetricks 20101008 released | #Wine Reviews http://ping.fm/tHyYa | Oct 09 17:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Google Earth plays nice with Compiz and Ubuntu 10.10 http://ping.fm/cNOhu | Oct 09 17:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] More Zeitgeist integration in Software Center shows recommended apps based on usage http://ping.fm/pJt35 | Oct 09 17:26 | |
| gnufreex | Is Zeitgeist written in Mono? | Oct 09 17:26 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jra/@jra] Great analysis of (wikileaked) plan to curb the free software in the EU. http://tiny.cc/xqe2n. Jonathan Zuck really is the mouth of Sauron. | Oct 09 17:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] #nipsey #hussle blazing up the crib now | Oct 09 17:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Open-source hardware - around the web http://ping.fm/5tIVw | Oct 09 17:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Open Access Journals - A Major Problem - http://bit.ly/b1pyxq if it requires a name and password, it ain't #openaccess | Oct 09 17:44 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] Kafka au théâtre par Jodorowsky http://is.gd/fTlAW au Lucernaire (Paris) | Oct 09 17:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] back on that #gentoo install in #vbox. it tripped lat night | Oct 09 17:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "I ain't no Democrat, and I ain't no fucking Republican either. I only know one party and it's name is Freedom." ~ Little Steven !q | Oct 09 18:16 | |
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| gnufreex | Oracle hikes prices of MySQL http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/10/08/oracle_jacking_up_mysql_prices/ | Oct 09 18:37 |
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| gnufreex | And they are discontinuing support of GPL version. It will be unsuported now, just a development release. | Oct 09 18:38 |
| gnufreex | Open Core | Oct 09 18:38 |
| gnufreex | That is not for sure, but it looks that way | Oct 09 18:38 |
| gnufreex | From where I sit. | Oct 09 18:38 |
| gnufreex | MySQL Enterprise is Gold and Platinium support option | Oct 09 18:39 |
| DiabloD3 | heh | Oct 09 18:39 |
| DiabloD3 | but oracle is actually doing something good here | Oct 09 18:39 |
| gnufreex | MySQL enterprise is not GPL. It has propriatary extensions. | Oct 09 18:39 |
| DiabloD3 | they're killing mysql off.... that makes them heroes | Oct 09 18:40 |
| gnufreex | Basic and Silver is same as GPL'd version. | Oct 09 18:40 |
| DiabloD3 | postgresql ftw | Oct 09 18:40 |
| gnufreex | They are shitcanning that. | Oct 09 18:40 |
| gnufreex | You can't take GPL'd version and then pay when you need. You need to buy propriatary version from start. | Oct 09 18:40 |
| gnufreex | And when you don't like to pay anymore, you are screwed, because you need to migrate go GPL'd version. | Oct 09 18:41 |
| gnufreex | It is not same. | Oct 09 18:41 |
| gnufreex | DiabloD3: It will set off BSD zealots. They don't get (or they not want to admit) that EnterpriseDB is doing same as Oracle will now start doing with MySQL. | Oct 09 18:43 |
| gnufreex | Except that EnterpriseDB don't own Posgres in frist place. | Oct 09 18:44 |
| gnufreex | Oracle kinda have moral right to do this, EDB is simply leeching postgres. | Oct 09 18:44 |
| MinceR | there's a moral right to buy a project to kill it? | Oct 09 18:44 |
| gnufreex | MinceR: I didn't meant that way | Oct 09 18:45 |
| MinceR | it did sound that way, though :> | Oct 09 18:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] London beat - I've Been Thinking About You http://t.co/aTayaah - London Beat ROCKS(ED), real good british music!!! | Oct 09 18:46 | |
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| gnufreex | MinceR: I mean't that EDB is making propriatary postgres which they don't own. Oracle is making propriatary MySQL which they do own. | Oct 09 18:46 |
| cubezzz | one can use bsd without being a zealot | Oct 09 18:46 |
| MinceR | cubezzz: they're keeping silent though | Oct 09 18:46 |
| gnufreex | Yes it can | Oct 09 18:46 |
| gnufreex | I mean he can | Oct 09 18:46 |
| cubezzz | I set up a bsd box just the other day | Oct 09 18:47 |
| cubezzz | I still mostly use Linux though | Oct 09 18:47 |
| gnufreex | But those who are attacking and hatting GPL are zealots. | Oct 09 18:47 |
| cubezzz | gnufreex, yeah | Oct 09 18:47 |
| gnufreex | I use FreeBSD ocasionaly. | Oct 09 18:47 |
| gnufreex | There is nothing wrong with using anything BSD. | Oct 09 18:48 |
| MinceR | except that there's better stuff around. :> | Oct 09 18:48 |
| cubezzz | come on, the puffer fish is cool :) | Oct 09 18:48 |
| gnufreex | BSD stuff is nice, I don't have anything against those who like bsd. | Oct 09 18:49 |
| MinceR | at least some BSD stuff is nice | Oct 09 18:49 |
| MinceR | OpenSSH, for example | Oct 09 18:49 |
| cubezzz | actually I just enjoy trying different OSes | Oct 09 18:49 |
| cubezzz | except doze of course | Oct 09 18:49 |
| gnufreex | I have against those who are teaming up with propriatary software shills to bash GPL and promote relicensing stuff under BSD just so that some could take. | Oct 09 18:49 |
| DiabloD3 | [01:43:20] <gnufreex> DiabloD3: It will set off BSD zealots. They don't get (or they not want to admit) that EnterpriseDB is doing same as Oracle will now start doing with MySQL. | Oct 09 18:51 |
| DiabloD3 | [01:43:43] <gnufreex> Except that EnterpriseDB don't own Posgres in frist place. | Oct 09 18:51 |
| DiabloD3 | well, not only that | Oct 09 18:51 |
| DiabloD3 | but no one uses it | Oct 09 18:51 |
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| DiabloD3 | gnufreex: the problem is, Oracle isnt being totally upfront about this | Oct 09 18:52 |
| DiabloD3 | I dont mind a company existing to provide enterprise support for something, no matter if they wrote that something or not | Oct 09 18:52 |
| DiabloD3 | enterprisedb really isnt that horrid | Oct 09 18:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Listening to a bit of Rush then off for too much of the countries favourite legal drug. | Oct 09 18:52 | |
| DiabloD3 | its just that no one uses it | Oct 09 18:52 |
| gnufreex | I don't have anything against that either. | Oct 09 18:53 |
| gnufreex | But EDB is propriatary. | Oct 09 18:53 |
| DiabloD3 | redhat provides enterprise support for a linux distro, and no one has a hissy fit about that | Oct 09 18:53 |
| DiabloD3 | EDB isn't propriatary in that way | Oct 09 18:53 |
| gnufreex | It is not like Red Hat. | Oct 09 18:53 |
| DiabloD3 | most of what they add on is management tools | Oct 09 18:53 |
| DiabloD3 | they dont do anything to pg itself for the most part | Oct 09 18:53 |
| gnufreex | Yes, they add Oracle compatibility. | Oct 09 18:54 |
| gnufreex | PL/SQL | Oct 09 18:54 |
| gnufreex | That is big deal | Oct 09 18:54 |
| gnufreex | it modifies core. | Oct 09 18:54 |
| DiabloD3 | actually it doesnt | Oct 09 18:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] China, Free Liu Xiaobo, let the man receive his nobel prize. Yesteryear Obama was a failure, this time they got it right, Liu deserves it | Oct 09 18:54 | |
| DiabloD3 | you can do PL languages outside of core | Oct 09 18:54 |
| DiabloD3 | how do you think PL/Java or PL/Perl or PL/Python | Oct 09 18:55 |
| DiabloD3 | it uses existing hooks for that, no patching pg required | Oct 09 18:55 |
| DiabloD3 | gnufreex: not only that, pl/pgsql is pretty clone-happy on pl/sql to begin with | Oct 09 18:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Stupid....... FUCKING....... chairs!!!!!!!!!!! | Oct 09 18:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Does anyone else have trouble with flac being very flaky in rhythmbox? That will teach me not to stick to vlc which sounds better anyway. | Oct 09 18:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Duran Duran - Ordinary World (2003 Digital Remaster) http://t.co/3gZmt6L - More good brit music! ;-D | Oct 09 18:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @satipera Install the flac plugin in XMMS and go all the way. XMMS rocks!!! | Oct 09 18:56 | |
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| gnufreex | If you use PostgresPLUS and PL/SQL you can't switch to Postgres. | Oct 09 18:56 |
| DiabloD3 | IF | Oct 09 18:56 |
| DiabloD3 | sane people aren't writing complex queries to begin with | Oct 09 18:56 |
| gnufreex | That is diferentiating by using propriatary features | Oct 09 18:56 |
| gnufreex | Same what propriatary companies do. | Oct 09 18:56 |
| DiabloD3 | I mean, I understand the case that you're making | Oct 09 18:56 |
| DiabloD3 | but its so fucking low on my list of things to bitch about its not even worth discussing | Oct 09 18:57 |
| DiabloD3 | EDB just simply is not popular | Oct 09 18:57 |
| DiabloD3 | most pg users dont even know they exist | Oct 09 18:57 |
| gnufreex | I think that is a good thing | Oct 09 18:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @agentsmith Okay, cheers mate! | Oct 09 18:57 | |
| DiabloD3 | well, its a great thing | Oct 09 18:58 |
| DiabloD3 | it means pg made a name for itself | Oct 09 18:58 |
| gnufreex | Well | Oct 09 18:58 |
| gnufreex | That is where I dissagree. | Oct 09 18:58 |
| gnufreex | Posgres don't have name that bussiness recognise. | Oct 09 18:58 |
| DiabloD3 | actually, it does | Oct 09 18:58 |
| gnufreex | If you say PostgreSQL they will think it is a fork of MySQL | Oct 09 18:59 |
| gnufreex | It happened to me few times. | Oct 09 18:59 |
| DiabloD3 | yes, and those companies' opinions dont matter | Oct 09 18:59 |
| gnufreex | I had slowly to explain that it isn't | Oct 09 18:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @fabsh the power of Ballmer compels thee....I sense a FOSS rewrite of the Exorcist, where MS are the evil spirit | Oct 09 18:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @satipera XMMS maybe old, but it's gold! ;-D | Oct 09 18:59 | |
| DiabloD3 | they run a tiny little mysql db and they dont make much money | Oct 09 18:59 |
| DiabloD3 | talk about the companies who databases are extremely important | Oct 09 18:59 |
| gnufreex | Actually, those ran Oracle and Informix | Oct 09 19:00 |
| DiabloD3 | gnufreex: orly? | Oct 09 19:00 |
| DiabloD3 | then they're just idiots. | Oct 09 19:00 |
| gnufreex | And that is irronic. | Oct 09 19:00 |
| DiabloD3 | let them run their oracle then | Oct 09 19:00 |
| gnufreex | Becaus Informix is based on Postgres | Oct 09 19:00 |
| gnufreex | Not all versions | Oct 09 19:00 |
| DiabloD3 | any Oracle fanboy, however, knows exactly whatpg is | Oct 09 19:00 |
| gnufreex | But some | Oct 09 19:00 |
| DiabloD3 | and will insult pg for trying to be like oracle | Oct 09 19:01 |
| DiabloD3 | they know exactly what it is and where it came from | Oct 09 19:01 |
| DiabloD3 | gnufreex: oh, and btw, ibm db2 does pl/sql nowtoo | Oct 09 19:01 |
| DiabloD3 | to steal oracle customers | Oct 09 19:02 |
| gnufreex | They licensed it from EDB | Oct 09 19:02 |
| DiabloD3 | it doesnt really matter where they got it | Oct 09 19:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] identica is my #1 spammer. | Oct 09 19:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Good Thing - Fine Young Cannibals http://t.co/8uZJxMK - More good brit music, from the 90's, a time when music was REAL GOOD! | Oct 09 19:02 | |
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| gnufreex | I am just saying. | Oct 09 19:02 |
| gnufreex | But that is what happens with BSD licensed code. | Oct 09 19:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] The Power of E Street compels me!!!!! | Oct 09 19:06 | |
| gnufreex | I mean postges is good example. | Oct 09 19:06 |
| gnufreex | Illustra, Vertica | Oct 09 19:06 |
| gnufreex | Informix. | Oct 09 19:06 |
| gnufreex | Some like to throw mud, say nobody will take it, just relicense it under BSD. But they will take it and make it propriatary. DiabloD3 | Oct 09 19:07 |
| gnufreex | oh, and I forgot GreenPlum | Oct 09 19:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Copyright Criminal measures in ACTA - http://bit.ly/c6Ar5E FFII's bleak analysis #acta #copyright | Oct 09 19:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Imagine http://t.co/D1FEMH3 Happy Bday John Lennon!!! | Oct 09 19:12 | |
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| gnufreex | [19:44:34] <MinceR> there's a moral right to buy a project to kill it? | Oct 09 19:13 |
| gnufreex | again, to clarify this, I don't really think that free software project should be for sale. It should be governed by a non-profit foundation. | Oct 09 19:13 |
| DiabloD3 | gnufreex: well | Oct 09 19:14 |
| DiabloD3 | the thing is | Oct 09 19:14 |
| DiabloD3 | pg may have never BEEN what it is without bsd | Oct 09 19:14 |
| DiabloD3 | a lot of major contributers to pg did so because its bsd | Oct 09 19:14 |
| DiabloD3 | if it was gpl, none of us would have been having this discussion | Oct 09 19:14 |
| DiabloD3 | gnufreex: the real issue is | Oct 09 19:14 |
| DiabloD3 | can someone close a bsd project, and then eclipse the project | Oct 09 19:14 |
| DiabloD3 | I don't think they can | Oct 09 19:15 |
| DiabloD3 | free and open source will always trump $$$ closed source | Oct 09 19:15 |
| MinceR | depends on how much developers do they not own | Oct 09 19:15 |
| gnufreex | DiabloD3 they did eclipse it | Oct 09 19:15 |
| DiabloD3 | gnufreex: in what way though | Oct 09 19:15 |
| gnufreex | Informix Illustra. | Oct 09 19:15 |
| DiabloD3 | most pg users have never heard of edb | Oct 09 19:15 |
| gnufreex | Vertica | Oct 09 19:15 |
| gnufreex | They are names | Oct 09 19:15 |
| gnufreex | Postgres is unknown outside of FOSS circles | Oct 09 19:16 |
| DiabloD3 | not at all | Oct 09 19:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @zotz they, can't, that's the trouble... | Oct 09 19:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @agentsmith indeed: and things will only get worse if/when ACTA is "agreed" | Oct 09 19:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laforge/@laforge] #webos Palm/HP shouldn't call their next device 'Pre 2' but 'Post' (i.e. after the acquisition) | Oct 09 19:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @agentsmith That is absolutely brilliant. It sounds so much better in xmms than in even vlc. It really is a blast. | Oct 09 19:16 | |
| DiabloD3 | pg is used by very big companies | Oct 09 19:16 |
| DiabloD3 | usually as an alternative to oracle | Oct 09 19:16 |
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| gnufreex | MinceR: about contribution, Posgres didn't get so many contributions from companies. They got a code dump from Berkley, and it was glacial development since then. | Oct 09 19:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Jesus. Finally got the chairs build. Fuck. I'm glad I bought some Elephant Beer as well..... | Oct 09 19:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @satipera Ahh, I told you, don't ever doubt of granpa XMMS, this oldie is still goldie! ;-D | Oct 09 19:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Airplane, minus all the jokes http://ur1.ca/20of3 #wtf | Oct 09 19:22 | |
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| DiabloD3 | gnufreex: you're really misrepresenting things here | Oct 09 19:24 |
| MinceR | what's the point of Airplane without the jokes? | Oct 09 19:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @laforge #webos Palm/HP shouldn't call their next device 'Pre 2' but 'Post' (i.e. after the acquisition) | Oct 09 19:24 | |
| gnufreex | DiabloD3: For examle? | Oct 09 19:25 |
| DiabloD3 | MinceR: actually, its fucking hilarious | Oct 09 19:25 |
| DiabloD3 | you know EXACTLY when the joke is supposed to be | Oct 09 19:25 |
| gnufreex | What joke, I don't get. | Oct 09 19:26 |
| MinceR | i don't know the movie that well | Oct 09 19:26 |
| DiabloD3 | gnufreex: see the dent above from me | Oct 09 19:26 |
| gnufreex | Stupid movie... | Oct 09 19:27 |
| DiabloD3 | its a GREAT movie | Oct 09 19:27 |
| Tekk_ | in my experience, when someone says a comedy is a stupid movie, it's automatically good | Oct 09 19:28 |
| gnufreex | I don't remember how it goes. | Oct 09 19:28 |
| MinceR | iirc it's awesome. | Oct 09 19:28 |
| DiabloD3 | gnufreex: anyhow, you're insulting the developers of pg | Oct 09 19:29 |
| gnufreex | DiabloD3: Not at all, they did a great work. I am only saying a fact: Most of them are not paid to do that. | Oct 09 19:30 |
| gnufreex | Most of them are doing other things. | Oct 09 19:30 |
| DiabloD3 | no they're not paid for it | Oct 09 19:31 |
| gnufreex | That is great. | Oct 09 19:31 |
| gnufreex | That project | Oct 09 19:31 |
| DiabloD3 | but a lot of companies HAVE contributed stuff | Oct 09 19:31 |
| gnufreex | has so much volonteers | Oct 09 19:31 |
| DiabloD3 | and you shouldnt just handwave that away ether | Oct 09 19:31 |
| DiabloD3 | *either | Oct 09 19:31 |
| DiabloD3 | I mean, you can say that a BSD project not being forked->closed into oblivion is rare.... | Oct 09 19:32 |
| DiabloD3 | but projects like pg altogether are rare | Oct 09 19:32 |
| DiabloD3 | you dont have enough datapoints to say ZOMG COMPANIES ARE EVIL | Oct 09 19:32 |
| DiabloD3 | for those, you need data sources like... well.... Congress. | Oct 09 19:32 |
| Tekk_ | DiabloD3: though it's my belief that they are | Oct 09 19:33 |
| Tekk_ | companies don't know right and wrong, you need to make it attractive for them to do any good | Oct 09 19:33 |
| Tekk_ | s/companies/corporations | Oct 09 19:33 |
| DiabloD3 | yes, but they also have to have a reason to "steal" BSD | Oct 09 19:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Watching !supernatual and drinking !wine so nice... | Oct 09 19:34 | |
| DiabloD3 | they need to add something to it | Oct 09 19:34 |
| DiabloD3 | EDB, for example, has not added anything of particularly high value to their PG fork | Oct 09 19:34 |
| gnufreex | GreenPlum did. | Oct 09 19:35 |
| gnufreex | OPAP | Oct 09 19:35 |
| gnufreex | In fact, no | Oct 09 19:35 |
| gnufreex | GreenPlum did OLTP | Oct 09 19:35 |
| DiabloD3 | greenplum REALLY hacked up pg | Oct 09 19:36 |
| DiabloD3 | greenplum db hardly looks like pg at all anymore | Oct 09 19:36 |
| gnufreex | Nettezza too | Oct 09 19:36 |
| gnufreex | And they gave nothing back | Oct 09 19:36 |
| gnufreex | Absolutely nothing | Oct 09 19:36 |
| DiabloD3 | thats their choice. | Oct 09 19:36 |
| DiabloD3 | but it also means I wont use it. | Oct 09 19:36 |
| gnufreex | And hired away some previous devs | Oct 09 19:36 |
| DiabloD3 | which is MY choice. | Oct 09 19:36 |
| DiabloD3 | Im not angry at them for it | Oct 09 19:37 |
| DiabloD3 | Im not going to go on some giant crusade for it | Oct 09 19:37 |
| DiabloD3 | but I just dont think their product is viable | Oct 09 19:37 |
| DiabloD3 | if its not open source, it really ISNT viable. | Oct 09 19:37 |
| gnufreex | EMC bought GreenPlum for load of cash... | Oct 09 19:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Rich Iott, Republican nominee for Ohio's 9th District, and Tea Party favorite, is apparently also a Nazi cosplayer http://ur1.ca/20ok3 | Oct 09 19:39 | |
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| schestowitz | DiabloD3: what does he think he is, Harry from the Royal Family? | Oct 09 19:47 |
| DiabloD3 | schestowitz: hah | Oct 09 19:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] "woke up this morning, got a blue moon in your eyes" !q | Oct 09 19:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Just setup my Huawei Vodafone usb dongle on !crunchbang !statler. Works lawelessly. | Oct 09 19:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Gosh, what a total mess my sleeping pattern has been so far today. One of those days... | Oct 09 19:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] CSS WG specs http://ow.ly/19mWv8 | Oct 09 20:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @reality Me too, need to get some practise. May try some of them intricate Status Quo riffs :) | Oct 09 20:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Escreva aqui a sua mensagem... | Oct 09 20:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @reality Seriously though, I tried Seven Bridges Road by the Eagles yesterday, and i've lost the ability to time the hammer-on right. | Oct 09 20:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] RT @jra Great analysis of (wikileaked) plan to curb the free software in the EU. http://tiny.cc/xqe2n. Jonathan Zuck really is the mouth ... | Oct 09 20:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] My bro @sagkavin says "enthiran is a funny fsck! Its only for kids below 3yrs" LOL | Oct 09 20:14 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Our final 'Nightmares By Design' sneak before the release on Monday! This is 'Repent' - http://is.gd/fTzBc #severedfifth | Oct 09 20:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] What kind of software do you miss in Debian http://ask.debian.net/questions/what-kind-of-software-do-you-miss-in-debian | Oct 09 20:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] ♺ @youinubuntu: Check out my interview with @jonobacon in Issue 6 #ubuntuuser Magazine - http://is.gd/fTmdO #ubuntu #locoteam #canonical | Oct 09 20:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Should probably be learning some #Python and #Tcl today, but my #2 son is on the phone, so I'll just wait. | Oct 09 20:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @jonobacon Our final 'Nightmares By Design' sneak before the release on Monday! This is 'Repent' - http://is.gd/fTzBc #severedfifth #cc | Oct 09 20:24 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.go2linux.org/mt/linux-ht/2010/10/microsoft-to-acquire-adobe-rumors--1.html | Oct 09 20:26 |
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| schestowitz | That rumour is still going?! | Oct 09 20:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] RT @bkuhn RT @jra Great analysis of (wikileaked) plan to curb the free software in the EU. http://tiny.cc/xqe2n. Jonathan Zuck really is ... | Oct 09 20:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] @reality And the very best support libre.fm :-) | Oct 09 20:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Dad arrested for defending daughter: http://www.cnn.com/2010/OPINION/09/23/navarrette.dad.bullying/ | Oct 09 20:29 | |
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| Ender2071 | Looking at suse, who do you guys think might buy it? | Oct 09 20:30 |
| MinceR | clueless people | Oct 09 20:30 |
| Ender2071 | clueless? nah | Oct 09 20:30 |
| MinceR | who else would want suse? | Oct 09 20:32 |
| MinceR | oh, you mean the company, not the product? | Oct 09 20:32 |
| Ender2071 | the product | Oct 09 20:33 |
| MinceR | i have no idea about that, especially considering that i don't know what else from novell does it come with | Oct 09 20:33 |
| MinceR | well, as far as the product goes, who would want it even for free? | Oct 09 20:33 |
| MinceR | it sucks horribly, it always has | Oct 09 20:33 |
| Ender2071 | opensuse | Oct 09 20:33 |
| Ender2071 | i'm using opensuse | Oct 09 20:33 |
| Ender2071 | w/ KDE | Oct 09 20:34 |
| Ender2071 | no mono in the KDE version | Oct 09 20:34 |
| MinceR | i installed it once for someone who insisted he wanted suse | Oct 09 20:34 |
| MinceR | it was one of the worst distros i've ever seen | Oct 09 20:34 |
| Ender2071 | which version | Oct 09 20:35 |
| Ender2071 | 11.2 sucked balls | Oct 09 20:35 |
| Ender2071 | 11.3 fixed the issues I had, namely, obsolete kde technology | Oct 09 20:35 |
| MinceR | dunno | Oct 09 20:35 |
| Ender2071 | now they have kde repositories for everything you could want | Oct 09 20:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[einfeldt/@einfeldt] RT @partimus We are building a Linux lab at the International Studies Academy in SF. Woohoo! | Oct 09 20:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[einfeldt/@einfeldt] RT @partimus We hope to have 23 GNU-Linux machines running in the International Studies Academy in 2 hours. | Oct 09 20:36 | |
| Ender2071 | 4.4.x, upstream 4.5 and trunk 4.6 | Oct 09 20:36 |
| Ender2071 | I was using Fedora | Oct 09 20:36 |
| Tekk_ | I respect opensuse because tuxkart was developed on it :P | Oct 09 20:36 |
| Ender2071 | seems to be the best KDE distro I could find | Oct 09 20:37 |
| Ender2071 | especially with GCC 4.5 as a minimum requirement | Oct 09 20:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[einfeldt/@einfeldt] RT @partimus We are in lots of public charter schools, but the International Studies Academy is our 1st non-charter public school | Oct 09 20:37 | |
| Ender2071 | Fedora got me very disgruntled | Oct 09 20:38 |
| Tekk_ | why? | Oct 09 20:38 |
| Ender2071 | they just gave Firefox a free pass for essentially the same behavior Chromium is being banned from the distro for | Oct 09 20:38 |
| Ender2071 | bundling system libraries | Oct 09 20:39 |
| Ender2071 | and an update policy which will result in more obsolete software and less fixes and updates, and banned updates that change the UI | Oct 09 20:39 |
| Ender2071 | its "too much work" to follow fedora policy and remove its dependence on bundled libraries | Oct 09 20:41 |
| Ender2071 | also, the trademark mozilla has prevents them | Oct 09 20:42 |
| Ender2071 | mozilla will not give them permission to redistribute a version which does not use the bundled libraries | Oct 09 20:42 |
| Ender2071 | so much for firefox being "free" | Oct 09 20:42 |
| Ender2071 | unless they want to call it something else | Oct 09 20:43 |
| schestowitz | DiabloD3: http://sacha.labourey.com/2010/10/04/time-to-fork-java-si-vis-pacem-para-bellum/ | Oct 09 20:45 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Sorting out my financials. Man, I am actually in debt at the moment... Need to get out of this shit ASAP. | Oct 09 20:46 | |
| schestowitz | http://gregluck.com/blog/archives/2010/10/is-it-time-to-fork-java/ | Oct 09 20:46 |
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| DiabloD3 | schestowitz: oh this should be fun | Oct 09 20:48 |
| Tekk_ | I should probably start learning lava | Oct 09 20:50 |
| Tekk_ | they'll need people to develop stuff that works on their framework instead of oracle's, if it happens | Oct 09 20:51 |
| DiabloD3 | but I already know lava | Oct 09 20:52 |
| DiabloD3 | I hope | Oct 09 20:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Google has self-driving cars... so wheres my robot maids? http://ur1.ca/20p0z | Oct 09 20:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sagarun/@sagarun] loves ke$ha - "What you got boy is hard to find. I think about it all the time" | Oct 09 20:54 | |
| Ender2071 | Java sucks now anyway | Oct 09 20:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @psycojoker: http://ur1.ca/20n7t Wikileaks publishes documents on plan to curb #freesoftware in the European Union #fsf #gnu !fwioo !linux | Oct 09 20:56 | |
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| Ender2071 | its owned by Law Suit Larry | Oct 09 20:56 |
| Tekk_ | DiabloD3: good ^.^ | Oct 09 20:56 |
| DiabloD3 | oh shuddup Ender2071 | Oct 09 20:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @rysiek ♻ @psycojoker: http://ur1.ca/20n7t Wikileaks publishes documents on plan to curb #freesoftware in the European Union #fsf #gn ... | Oct 09 20:57 | |
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| Tekk_ | you know | Oct 09 20:58 |
| Tekk_ | a lot of people say that gentoo teaches you more about computers and GNU/Linux | Oct 09 20:58 |
| Tekk_ | I don't see how that works | Oct 09 20:59 |
| Tekk_ | however | Oct 09 20:59 |
| Tekk_ | arch does | Oct 09 20:59 |
| Ender2071 | umm | Oct 09 20:59 |
| Ender2071 | i don't see the difference | Oct 09 20:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] Spam filters aren't to be announced, but anyway, I added "* \.co\.cc/sitemap\.php$" to my potentialspam to stop !identica spam. cc: @support | Oct 09 20:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] that is in #procmail. | Oct 09 20:59 | |
| Tekk_ | Ender2071: pkgbuilds | Oct 09 20:59 |
| DiabloD3 | Tekk_: you mean debian does. | Oct 09 20:59 |
| Ender2071 | except that with arch you don't even learn how to compile a kernel | Oct 09 20:59 |
| Tekk_ | you have to edit pkgbuilds, which is a good way of learning bash | Oct 09 20:59 |
| Tekk_ | Ender2071: make menuconfig && make, come on, how hard is that? | Oct 09 21:00 |
| Ender2071 | putting the files it makes in the correct location, and editting grub, etc? | Oct 09 21:00 |
| MinceR | arch doesn't, they remove documentation as a matter of policy | Oct 09 21:00 |
| Tekk_ | Ender2071: to that, there's a fine line between learning and insanity..... | Oct 09 21:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Ubuntu 10.10 Netbook Edition Offers Revamped User Interface http://ur1.ca/20p2f !ubuntu | Oct 09 21:01 | |
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| Tekk_ | especially having to edit your own grub :P | Oct 09 21:01 |
| Ender2071 | I didn't learn anything after installing Arch Linux | Oct 09 21:01 |
| Ender2071 | its pretty much a hand holder | Oct 09 21:01 |
| MinceR | i only learned that it's not the distro for me :> | Oct 09 21:01 |
| Tekk_ | Ender2071: I learned how to live in the cli | Oct 09 21:01 |
| Ender2071 | dont get me wrong though, Arch kicks ass | Oct 09 21:01 |
| Ender2071 | its Canadian, gets bonus points | Oct 09 21:02 |
| Ender2071 | they dont ship old stuff either | Oct 09 21:02 |
| Ender2071 | one of the first distros to ship GCC 4.5 | Oct 09 21:03 |
| Tekk_ | yeah, I like how I *ALWAYS* have the latest stuff in arch | Oct 09 21:04 |
| Tekk_ | a day without updates is extremely rare | Oct 09 21:04 |
| Ender2071 | yes | Oct 09 21:05 |
| Ender2071 | its great | Oct 09 21:05 |
| Ender2071 | I used to get that from Fedora | Oct 09 21:05 |
| Tekk_ | fedora? | Oct 09 21:05 |
| Ender2071 | yeah | Oct 09 21:05 |
| Ender2071 | Fedora Linux | Oct 09 21:05 |
| Ender2071 | used to be the most cutting edge, easy distro to install | Oct 09 21:05 |
| Tekk_ | I never pictured fedora being that cutting edge | Oct 09 21:05 |
| Ender2071 | it wasn't far too behind arch last year | Oct 09 21:06 |
| Tekk_ | I always thought it was like ubuntu, always out of date | Oct 09 21:06 |
| Ender2071 | nah | Oct 09 21:06 |
| Ender2071 | Ubuntu 10.04 was Fedora 12 | Oct 09 21:06 |
| Ender2071 | lol | Oct 09 21:06 |
| Tekk_ | O.o | Oct 09 21:06 |
| Tekk_ | I <3 you fedora | Oct 09 21:06 |
| Ender2071 | Fedora is usually a little bit behind Arch in regards to the packages that matter | Oct 09 21:07 |
| Ender2071 | except they plan to change that | Oct 09 21:07 |
| Ender2071 | Fedora 14 will be the first to see it | Oct 09 21:07 |
| Ender2071 | no more UI changing updates | Oct 09 21:07 |
| Tekk_ | actually I'd probably be dual booting with blag(fedora 12 based) if it had the openfwwf working for me | Oct 09 21:07 |
| Ender2071 | meaning, they need permission from the fedora FESCo board to use the latest KDE, and ask every time | Oct 09 21:08 |
| Tekk_ | ouch | Oct 09 21:09 |
| Ender2071 | I was reading the Fedora KDE-SIG's meeting notes too and it looks like KDE 4.6 won't hit till F15 | Oct 09 21:09 |
| Ender2071 | Fedora 11 and 12 got to have the latest KDE upstream release when it came out | Oct 09 21:11 |
| Ender2071 | 11 came with 4.2 and went up to 4.3, 12 came with 4.3 and went to 4.4, and 13 came with 4.4 and *might* see 4.5, except extremely late | Oct 09 21:12 |
| Tekk_ | D= | Oct 09 21:13 |
| Ender2071 | I hate waiting | Oct 09 21:13 |
| Ender2071 | lol | Oct 09 21:13 |
| Tekk_ | use arch >> | Oct 09 21:13 |
| Ender2071 | arch needs to give me an out of the box kde desktop | Oct 09 21:13 |
| Ender2071 | or at least X, a browser and an xterm | Oct 09 21:14 |
| Ender2071 | i dont have time to mess around | Oct 09 21:15 |
| Ender2071 | especially if I find myself reinstalling | Oct 09 21:15 |
| Ender2071 | chakra forked btw, before you mention that one | Oct 09 21:15 |
| Ender2071 | lol | Oct 09 21:15 |
| Tekk_ | yeah, I heard | Oct 09 21:16 |
| Ender2071 | but, looking at opensuse | Oct 09 21:16 |
| Ender2071 | it gives me all the stuff I want | Oct 09 21:17 |
| Ender2071 | im happy again | Oct 09 21:17 |
| Ender2071 | plus, GCC 4.5 w Link-time optimization, which Fedora doesn't allow for stupid reasons | Oct 09 21:17 |
| gnufreex | Fedora 14 have GCC 4.5 | Oct 09 21:17 |
| Ender2071 | Fedora 14 banned LTO though | Oct 09 21:18 |
| Ender2071 | its GCC 4.5 is as fast as 4.4 | Oct 09 21:18 |
| gnufreex | Didn | Oct 09 21:18 |
| gnufreex | didn | Oct 09 21:18 |
| gnufreex | what | Oct 09 21:18 |
| Ender2071 | yes it did | Oct 09 21:18 |
| Ender2071 | ill quote you the mailing list thread if you'd like | Oct 09 21:18 |
| gnufreex | I didn't mean to say that. I wanted to say " didn't check that" | Oct 09 21:18 |
| gnufreex | But keyboard fliped out | Oct 09 21:18 |
| Ender2071 | ohhh ok | Oct 09 21:18 |
| gnufreex | That's why I said "what | Oct 09 21:19 |
| Ender2071 | yeah its crazy | Oct 09 21:19 |
| Ender2071 | and people there call me stupid saying its experimental | Oct 09 21:19 |
| Ender2071 | opensuse is supporting it | Oct 09 21:19 |
| Ender2071 | arch is supporting it | Oct 09 21:19 |
| gnufreex | But is it that important really? | Oct 09 21:20 |
| gnufreex | I didn't try it yet. | Oct 09 21:20 |
| Ender2071 | it really does improve performance | Oct 09 21:20 |
| Ender2071 | on some packages | Oct 09 21:20 |
| Ender2071 | you can turn it off if it performs worse | Oct 09 21:20 |
| Ender2071 | but turning it off because you presume it will cause bugs because of the 'experimental' label without sourcing proof, is crazy | Oct 09 21:21 |
| gnufreex | can it | Oct 09 21:21 |
| gnufreex | not again | Oct 09 21:21 |
| gnufreex | My enter key is broken | Oct 09 21:21 |
| Ender2071 | ah | Oct 09 21:21 |
| Ender2071 | it can be disabled or enabled on a per package basis | Oct 09 21:22 |
| Ender2071 | its just a compiler flag | Oct 09 21:22 |
| gnufreex | That is what I wanted to ask, | Oct 09 21:22 |
| Ender2071 | i could go out of my way and recompile and repackage all the apps that benefit | Oct 09 21:22 |
| Ender2071 | but thats too much work | Oct 09 21:22 |
| Ender2071 | another thing im thinking | Oct 09 21:23 |
| gnufreex | That would | Oct 09 21:23 |
| Ender2071 | the reason why its banned | Oct 09 21:23 |
| gnufreex | Make new distro | Oct 09 21:23 |
| Ender2071 | the gcc maintainer for fedora works at redhat | Oct 09 21:23 |
| Ender2071 | its the same compiler they use for RHEL | Oct 09 21:24 |
| Tekk_ | hmm | Oct 09 21:24 |
| Ender2071 | so thats probably why LTO is banned | Oct 09 21:24 |
| Tekk_ | lxoliva works on gcc at redhat | Oct 09 21:24 |
| gnufreex | Hmm... no. RHEL 6 uses 4.4.1 | Oct 09 21:24 |
| gnufreex | They have no use from doing more testing on 4.5 | Oct 09 21:25 |
| Ender2071 | it might use it now | Oct 09 21:25 |
| Ender2071 | redhat's 4.4 series has a lot of stuff backported from 4.5 | Oct 09 21:25 |
| Ender2071 | it might be close enough already that they can switch to it | Oct 09 21:25 |
| Ender2071 | another reason why LTO is banned, compatibility | Oct 09 21:26 |
| Ender2071 | RHEL borrows a lot from Fedora | Oct 09 21:26 |
| gnufreex | Yes, that could be it. | Oct 09 21:26 |
| Ender2071 | for example | Oct 09 21:26 |
| gnufreex | But Fedora 15 is going to have all newes. | Oct 09 21:26 |
| gnufreex | newest. | Oct 09 21:26 |
| Ender2071 | when they switched to GCC 4.5, they didnt need to do a mass rebuild of everything | Oct 09 21:26 |
| Ender2071 | normally you would | Oct 09 21:27 |
| gnufreex | They do those quirks when they release new RHEL. | Oct 09 21:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] An NC debate on cc-community? IT'S 2010 SHEEPLE!!1 | Oct 09 21:27 | |
| Ender2071 | you're saying they fuck up fedora whenever RHEL is gonna come out shortly? | Oct 09 21:27 |
| Ender2071 | lol | Oct 09 21:28 |
| gnufreex | Well, blocking one feature is not really a fuck up. | Oct 09 21:28 |
| Ender2071 | its not just that one feature | Oct 09 21:28 |
| gnufreex | What else? | Oct 09 21:28 |
| Ender2071 | its their new update policy, and giving mozilla free pass to do what google is banned for | Oct 09 21:28 |
| Ender2071 | firefox is allowed to bundle libraries, chromium is not | Oct 09 21:29 |
| Ender2071 | so chromium isn't allowed into the main repo | Oct 09 21:29 |
| Tekk_ | when mozilla is mainly funded by google, no less :P | Oct 09 21:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] listening to Linux Outlaws while reading some Linux news. @fabsh not drunk on the show, for a change :-p !lo | Oct 09 21:29 | |
| Ender2071 | but firefox gets to stay | Oct 09 21:29 |
| Ender2071 | they could fix firefox but it requires changing the name because mozilla won't give permission to redistribute a version that uses system libraries | Oct 09 21:30 |
| gnufreex | But that has nothing to do with RHEL | Oct 09 21:30 |
| Ender2071 | they think the branding is important enough to violate their own policy | Oct 09 21:30 |
| Ender2071 | yet, chromium doesn't get in | Oct 09 21:30 |
| Tekk_ | gnufreex: yes it does, it provides incentive to use rhel instead of fedora | Oct 09 21:30 |
| gnufreex | Hows that? | Oct 09 21:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @schestowitz Ha! That will change with the next one.... ;) | Oct 09 21:31 | |
| gnufreex | Does RHEL have chromium? | Oct 09 21:31 |
| gnufreex | I think no | Oct 09 21:31 |
| gnufreex | not | Oct 09 21:31 |
| Ender2071 | my only theory with RHEL is that they want Fedora to be more stable so they don't have to redo most of it | Oct 09 21:31 |
| Ender2071 | nothing to do with the other problems | Oct 09 21:31 |
| gnufreex | That's about right | Oct 09 21:31 |
| Ender2071 | gnufreex you happened to walk into a discussion where I was talking about why i switched from fedora to opensuse | Oct 09 21:32 |
| Tekk_ | WHY QEMU | Oct 09 21:32 |
| Ender2071 | if it was only one thing I wouldnt care | Oct 09 21:32 |
| Tekk_ | WHY DO YOU TORTURE ME WITH CRAP COMPATIBILITY?! | Oct 09 21:32 |
| Ender2071 | fedora 14 for example gets spice, which will fucking kick ass and take names | Oct 09 21:32 |
| Tekk_ | and apparently the arch kernel doesn't have kvm support... | Oct 09 21:33 |
| Ender2071 | oh shit? | Oct 09 21:33 |
| Ender2071 | opensuse has kvm and btrfs support in the kernel | Oct 09 21:33 |
| Tekk_ | Ender2071: yep | Oct 09 21:33 |
| Tekk_ | maybe it blows up the kernel a ton... | Oct 09 21:34 |
| Ender2071 | something only fedora had before | Oct 09 21:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] @reality That site is *beyond* ugly. | Oct 09 21:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Preparing to release the next !LO.... | Oct 09 21:34 | |
| Ender2071 | opensuse caught up, and passed fedora imo | Oct 09 21:34 |
| neighborlee | too bad fedora still defaults to gnome, which still uses tomboy . | Oct 09 21:34 |
| _Goblin | Ender2071: RE: Your article on OpenSUSE, I'd like to have seen some screenshots..... | Oct 09 21:34 |
| Ender2071 | on the dvd | Oct 09 21:34 |
| Ender2071 | ill do some screenshots | Oct 09 21:35 |
| Ender2071 | brb | Oct 09 21:35 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] No, Apple Is Not Trying to Patent LLVM. That's a Lie. http://ping.fm/QRo7G | Oct 09 21:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] @reality It would help if I was allowed to tell people they're wrong... | Oct 09 21:37 | |
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| Ender2070 | I plan to make a video actually of the difference between adding a repo in Fedora vs openSUSE | Oct 09 21:42 |
| Ender2070 | another few positive points for openSUSE: | Oct 09 21:42 |
| Ender2070 | Firefox KDE Intrgration and OpenOffice KDE Integration, gives both the KDE File Dialog box controls which are very powerful and allow access to KIO | Oct 09 21:43 |
| Ender2070 | among other KDE tweaks | Oct 09 21:43 |
| Ender2070 | you can get these on Arch linux or gentoo, I can't remember which | Oct 09 21:43 |
| Ender2070 | the package is opensuse-firefox | Oct 09 21:43 |
| Ender2070 | I think it was gentoo, they had the ck-kernel available | Oct 09 21:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Airplane minus all the jokes??? But-hey it's really short... | Oct 09 21:44 | |
| Ender2070 | I remember thinking how badass that would be | Oct 09 21:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !GNU !Linux Application Management is Excellent, Driver Gripes Passe http://ur1.ca/20pd1 http://ur1.ca/20pd4 | Oct 09 21:46 | |
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| Tekk_ | cool | Oct 09 21:46 |
| Tekk_ | new minix | Oct 09 21:46 |
| Ender2070 | openSUSE 11.4 will have Qt 4.7, should see KDE SC 4.6 no problem | Oct 09 21:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Proprietary Software Learns to Work Nicely With !GNU !Linux http://ur1.ca/20pdh http://ur1.ca/20pdi | Oct 09 21:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Penguspy Hunts for !GNU !Linux #Games http://www.penguspy.com/blog/brand-new-penguspy-makes-it-easier-to-find-great-linux-games/ | Oct 09 21:47 | |
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| Ender2070 | http://en.opensuse.org/Chromium | Oct 09 21:48 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !GNOME Desktop's Shell Now in Good Shape http://ur1.ca/20o7g http://ur1.ca/20peo | Oct 09 21:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] @reality I'm all worn out from the OSM communitah. :-( I need a freedom holiday. ;-) | Oct 09 21:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] What's So Special About the Date 10/10/10? http://ping.fm/B2TsA | Oct 09 21:54 | |
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| Tekk_ | I know, it's my youngest brother's birthday this year | Oct 09 21:57 |
| Tekk_ | {P | Oct 09 21:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] @reality I get zero pleasure from telling people they're wrong, I just despair at the same mistakes being made again and again. | Oct 09 21:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Possibility of Forking #Java Debated http://ur1.ca/20phj http://ur1.ca/20phk | Oct 09 22:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Android (Linux) Expands From Phones to People's TVs - Previews Out http://ur1.ca/20phy | Oct 09 22:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Re: [CentOS] OT: linux desktop market share more than 1% - msg#00291 - centos http://osdir.com/ml/centos/2010-10/msg00291.html | Oct 09 22:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Currently listening to: TWiL 80: Never Not Awesome http://twit.tv/twil80 !law !apple !linux !windows !microsoft !piracy !tbp !filesharing | Oct 09 22:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] agh, the US fell behind Argentina in logged desktops again | Oct 09 22:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] @reality I enjoy learning and teaching. I wouldn't want to make or be made (in the sense of force[d]). | Oct 09 22:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] [Puts on loud music.] | Oct 09 22:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] @reality Stop inspiring me. ;-) | Oct 09 22:16 | |
| Ender2070 | its pretty clear when you read the fedora mailing list that mozilla itself gives more priority to Windows | Oct 09 22:18 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Martin Owens: What Do You Believe In? http://ping.fm/ae3Ph | Oct 09 22:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] Navigating Level 3 of the Great Maize Maze at Belvedere Plantation with the family. Wish us luck! | Oct 09 22:26 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://blogs.forbes.com/greatspeculations/2010/10/08/microsoft-could-push-30-with-if-windows-profit-margins-shrink-more-slowly/ | Oct 09 22:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft Could Push $30 If Windows Profit Margins Shrink More Slowly - Great Speculations - Buys, holds, and hopes - Forbes .::. Size~: 160 KB | Oct 09 22:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Microsoft?s operating margins for the Windows operating system business have declined from an estimated 77% in 2006 to around 68% in 2009. We expect this margin decline to continue over our forecast period as netbooks and Windows sales in emerging markets account for a bigger share of Microsoft?s sales mix." | Oct 09 22:31 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Since Windows accounts for 40% of Microsoft, the stock is significantly impacted by Windows OS Operating Margin." | Oct 09 22:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "Since the average selling price of Windows for netbooks is significantly lower than the average overall ASP (~$30 vs. ~$70), the margins on netbook-related sales are likely to be significantly lower than average. We expect the ASP differential to continue even with newer versions of Windows. A higher mix of Windows sales attributable to netbooks will negatively impact margins in the future." | Oct 09 22:33 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | "In addition, the selling prices for the Windows OS in emerging market tend to be lower than prices in developed markets. We expect emerging markets to account for an increasing part of overall PC units over the forecast period meaning that a lower average selling price across geographies may have a negative impact on Microsoft?s margins." | Oct 09 22:34 |
| Ender2070 | lol | Oct 09 22:34 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I might add a lot of these countries, just 'pirate' windows. Wonder how that affects their margins. | Oct 09 22:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] @reality Have you ever installed statusnet? | Oct 09 22:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] @reality I responded. Someone on the internet was wrong... | Oct 09 22:36 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Like China. | Oct 09 22:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] @reality So it's like that with an extra line in the config at the moment. More cool features coming soon! #promise | Oct 09 22:37 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.fastcompany.com/1693800/steve-ballmer-chinese-business-piracy-more-extreme-than-consumer | Oct 09 22:39 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] What we’re driving at - http://bit.ly/9eKCGD automated cars? sounds innovative & interesting #google #cars | Oct 09 22:42 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Ballmer and Gates just doesn't get it. They are not going to be paid big bucks in Red China. Not going to happen. In the first place the home users cannot afford Windows. In the second place Red China is or was a communist system. And as such looked down apon capitists like MS. | Oct 09 22:44 |
| hazzy | Maybe they (foolishly) think that they can change it | Oct 09 22:44 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | hehe. How should I put it better? Maybe the chinese look at MS as fair game to pirate their software. | Oct 09 22:45 |
| hazzy | That wouldn't explain why Bill and Steve think it's a good idea to do business in China, only why China wants them to do business in China | Oct 09 22:46 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | China will only be a source of sweat labor for MS. MS will never make big bucks selling software there, unless they can sell for $1 a disk. | Oct 09 22:48 |
| hazzy | Even still, Linux would beat them on price | Oct 09 22:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] @reality They're not already enabled/installed? | Oct 09 22:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] @reality Which version of PHP is it? [I'm on F13 so having trouble checking precise issues] | Oct 09 22:54 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | http://www.fool.com/investing/value/2010/10/09/where-will-microsofts-growth-come-from.aspx | Oct 09 22:55 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | "Do you think Windows Phone 7 will be a growth catalyst for Mr. Softy?" | Oct 09 22:55 |
| hazzy | Lol | Oct 09 22:56 |
| hazzy | Look at the results of the poll | Oct 09 22:57 |
| hazzy | 87% say 'Yes' | Oct 09 22:57 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | No, even if WP7 was the best thing since sliced bread (and it won't be) the money is not made on an OS for phones. Its made on the hardware, the phone itself, and the contract for the phone wireless. None of which MS does. | Oct 09 22:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 9/10/2010: !GNOME Shell Highlights, Release of !Ubuntu 10.10 is Imminent http://ur1.ca/20psx !techrights | Oct 09 22:57 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | In fact, there is so little money to be made selling WP7 to smart phone companies, that MS should not be able to recoup its cost making it. | Oct 09 22:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] @reality try php-xml and php-domxml-php4-php5 [I am not sure, best I can do. Try #social on irc for better informed people :-) ] | Oct 09 22:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Unpatchable iOS jailbreak? http://ping.fm/YbAlF | Oct 09 22:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] @reality http://linuxadmin.es/20100127-instalar-statusnet-en-fedora.htm yum install httpd php php-gd php-xml php-mbstring php-tidy php-mysql | Oct 09 22:59 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | Spending 400 million to advertise it, cost of developement added to that figure, one wonders what kind of drugs Ballmer is using. | Oct 09 23:00 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | But what the heck, its only MS shareholders money. | Oct 09 23:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] @reality So definitely give php-xml a go :-) | Oct 09 23:01 | |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy: what a silly Forbes item | Oct 09 23:05 |
| schestowitz | [22:39] <TechrightsBot-tr> Title: Microsoft's Steve Ballmer Rails on "Extreme" Business Piracy in China | Fast Company .::. Size~: 34.49 KB | Oct 09 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft loves this | Oct 09 23:06 |
| schestowitz | And admitted this | Oct 09 23:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Ubuntu One Indicator Applet Gets Initial Ubuntu 10.04 Support, PPA http://bit.ly/aX6uQJ | Oct 09 23:07 | |
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| schestowitz | In America, Bill and Steve are capitalists | Oct 09 23:08 |
| schestowitz | In China they are choosing to acts Marxist | Oct 09 23:08 |
| schestowitz | As long as it pays MSFT | Oct 09 23:08 |
| DiabloD3 | in China, you act like Chinese. | Oct 09 23:09 |
| DiabloD3 | otherwise you are evil foreigners who support human rights and democracy | Oct 09 23:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @schestowitz Proprietary software can't work nicely. eIt's not nice to take away users' freedoms ;-) | Oct 09 23:09 | |
| schestowitz | [22:55] <Chips_B_Malroy> "Do you think Windows Phone 7 will be a growth catalyst for Mr. Softy?" | Oct 09 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Ewww | Oct 09 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Motley Fool | Oct 09 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Could tell by the headline | Oct 09 23:09 |
| schestowitz | It's not a news site, it's a booster site | Oct 09 23:09 |
| DiabloD3 | like 2010 [REDACTED] [REDACTED] Xiaobo | Oct 09 23:09 |
| schestowitz | Just a sham, DiabloD3 likes it | Oct 09 23:09 |
| DiabloD3 | its not even a sham | Oct 09 23:10 |
| DiabloD3 | that gives it a tad too much credit | Oct 09 23:10 |
| DiabloD3 | but unlike you, I've read their pay for services | Oct 09 23:10 |
| DiabloD3 | I don't particularly care for them | Oct 09 23:10 |
| DiabloD3 | but they ARE writing for them | Oct 09 23:11 |
| DiabloD3 | as in, doing actual research | Oct 09 23:11 |
| DiabloD3 | schestowitz: fool free stuff says along the lines "microsoft is a good buy because x y z" | Oct 09 23:11 |
| DiabloD3 | fool pay for stuff says along the lines "microsoft is a good buy because the average consumer believes microsoft does x y z" | Oct 09 23:11 |
| DiabloD3 | which their pay for stuff would actually be correct | Oct 09 23:12 |
| DiabloD3 | the average consumer IS stupid. | Oct 09 23:12 |
| DiabloD3 | it doesnt matter what you and I think | Oct 09 23:12 |
| DiabloD3 | it matters what the majority of consumers and stockholders think | Oct 09 23:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @lxoliva true, but I borrowed "nicely" from the headline | Oct 09 23:12 | |
| DiabloD3 | the "game" of wall street is to make money off of stupid people while not having money made off of you at the same time | Oct 09 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Casinos too | Oct 09 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Chips_B_Malroy would tell you | Oct 09 23:13 |
| DiabloD3 | well no | Oct 09 23:13 |
| DiabloD3 | you CAN win at wall street | Oct 09 23:13 |
| DiabloD3 | it just requires understanding the game | Oct 09 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Just need to make Hollywood blockbusters about the joys of gambling | Oct 09 23:13 |
| schestowitz | Booze, sex, and mony | Oct 09 23:14 |
| schestowitz | Happy endings and see the tourists flock to Nevada | Oct 09 23:14 |
| DiabloD3 | I think you misunderstood what I said somewhere along the line | Oct 09 23:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] RD @ufa: Windows Phone 7: The Best Choice For Patent Trolls - http://ur1.ca/20ik8 | Oct 09 23:14 | |
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| DiabloD3 | now | Oct 09 23:15 |
| DiabloD3 | as an actual investor | Oct 09 23:15 |
| DiabloD3 | if I thought phone 7 actually had a chance, yes, I'd say microsoft would be worth investing a small amount | Oct 09 23:15 |
| DiabloD3 | but it doesnt | Oct 09 23:15 |
| DiabloD3 | it cant clear the iphone bar the industry has setup | Oct 09 23:15 |
| DiabloD3 | now, otoh, as much as I hate apple | Oct 09 23:16 |
| DiabloD3 | and I really hate apple | Oct 09 23:16 |
| DiabloD3 | they actually ARE worth investing in... if the stock price is low enough. | Oct 09 23:16 |
| DiabloD3 | their products ARE shit, but _people buy them_ | Oct 09 23:16 |
| DiabloD3 | for companies like apple, you dont value them based on the quality of their product... you value them based on how much of their product they sell | Oct 09 23:17 |
| DiabloD3 | and apple sells a metric fuckton | Oct 09 23:17 |
| MinceR | investing in crApple means giving them money to make things worse for the users and the industry | Oct 09 23:17 |
| DiabloD3 | MinceR: no | Oct 09 23:18 |
| MinceR | it's basically criminal behavior | Oct 09 23:18 |
| DiabloD3 | the shares were already sold to the market | Oct 09 23:18 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Not to take MS side, but. I said the iPad did not have a chance, because it was to restrictive. So WP7 follows that path, if it can do everything very well, even if limited, it might have a chance. I doubt it will though. | Oct 09 23:18 |
| DiabloD3 | buying shares doesnt make apple money | Oct 09 23:18 |
| MinceR | DiabloD3: buying them raises the share price, and thus, the market cap | Oct 09 23:18 |
| DiabloD3 | MinceR: yes, but it doesnt make apple more money | Oct 09 23:18 |
| MinceR | yes it does | Oct 09 23:18 |
| DiabloD3 | it doesnt make apple _the company_ more money | Oct 09 23:18 |
| MinceR | it makes their shares more valuable, for example | Oct 09 23:18 |
| DiabloD3 | it makes apple shareholders more money | Oct 09 23:18 |
| MinceR | it also rewards crApple owners for what they do | Oct 09 23:19 |
| MinceR | and they don't deserve that | Oct 09 23:19 |
| DiabloD3 | MinceR: thats not entirely true. | Oct 09 23:19 |
| DiabloD3 | but once apple sold those shares, that was it | Oct 09 23:19 |
| DiabloD3 | thats all the money they get from the shares. | Oct 09 23:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @schestowitz fair enough, but someone had to point it out ;-) | Oct 09 23:19 | |
| DiabloD3 | apple can sell MORE shares, but that is irrelevant to me buying shares. | Oct 09 23:19 |
| MinceR | it's relevant | Oct 09 23:19 |
| MinceR | since they sell them at the price the market offers for them | Oct 09 23:19 |
| DiabloD3 | unless they are selling ME those shares directly, it doesnt | Oct 09 23:20 |
| MinceR | which you raise by buying shares | Oct 09 23:20 |
| DiabloD3 | and I'm not warren buffet | Oct 09 23:20 |
| DiabloD3 | apple doesnt sell new shares to me | Oct 09 23:20 |
| DiabloD3 | they sell new shares to market makers | Oct 09 23:20 |
| DiabloD3 | MinceR: also, btw | Oct 09 23:20 |
| DiabloD3 | they have to announce the intent to sell shares far in advance | Oct 09 23:20 |
| DiabloD3 | which causes a stock price drop | Oct 09 23:20 |
| MinceR | relative to what it was | Oct 09 23:20 |
| DiabloD3 | relative to the perceived value of apple | Oct 09 23:21 |
| DiabloD3 | so issuing new shares STILL doesnt make apple more money | Oct 09 23:21 |
| MinceR | and by raising their stock price by offering a price for their shares you can buy them for, you increase their perceived value | Oct 09 23:21 |
| DiabloD3 | but thats another thing MinceR | Oct 09 23:21 |
| DiabloD3 | lets take the richest man alive | Oct 09 23:21 |
| DiabloD3 | good ole bill gates | Oct 09 23:21 |
| DiabloD3 | he could liquidate his entire portfolio | Oct 09 23:22 |
| DiabloD3 | have all of everything hes worth in cash | Oct 09 23:22 |
| DiabloD3 | and spend 5 years buying apple, daily | Oct 09 23:22 |
| DiabloD3 | and STILL not increase the value of apple much | Oct 09 23:22 |
| DiabloD3 | now, of course, bill gates can just ask apple to issue him a special series of shares just for him | Oct 09 23:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rms/@rms] Veil ban hypocrisy revealed by NiqaBitch http://ur1.ca/20pza | Oct 09 23:22 | |
| DiabloD3 | which WOULD increase the value | Oct 09 23:22 |
| DiabloD3 | and he would be buying shares valued higher than what he was paying for them | Oct 09 23:23 |
| DiabloD3 | but thats still irrelevant | Oct 09 23:23 |
| DiabloD3 | MinceR: also, for the triple wtf bonus | Oct 09 23:24 |
| DiabloD3 | apple pays dividends | Oct 09 23:24 |
| DiabloD3 | which would, essentially, be paying me to hate them. | Oct 09 23:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Important point is, even if WP7 becomes a miracle in that people like it and it sells, it really will not make any money. | Oct 09 23:24 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | MS is mostly concerned with Android and iOS phone systems spilling into desktop computers, is why MS continues to pour money into a business they should have abandoned. | Oct 09 23:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] The Linspotting project - !gnu/!linux #video editing workflow ready for action http://bit.ly/bb3NKy | Oct 09 23:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] @reality http://status.net/wiki/LaconicaOnDreamhost See "ERROR 1071 (42000) at line 163" | Oct 09 23:27 | |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | My understanding is that WP7 ships without being able to use the camera or clock | Oct 09 23:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] @rms Err no. Fashion and submission to God's will are different in much the same way that drinking and drowning are. | Oct 09 23:29 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | sounds like it is being rushed out | Oct 09 23:29 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Just like Vista was half bakes when released. Even thought MS had 2 years to develope WP7, this is the best they could do? No copy and paste, no mulitasking, no flash. | Oct 09 23:30 |
| MinceR | DiabloD3: i'm not at all sure the system works the way you think it does :) | Oct 09 23:31 |
| MinceR | Chips_B_Malroy: it might have been intentional | Oct 09 23:31 |
| DiabloD3 | MinceR: well, they ARE paying me | Oct 09 23:31 |
| MinceR | "oh look, hypePhone and Android are successful, so let's copy them!" | Oct 09 23:31 |
| DiabloD3 | thats what a dividend is | Oct 09 23:31 |
| MinceR | "let's see, hypePhone has no copy/paste, no multitasking, no Trash; android has no native apps; let's take those things and we'll have a killer platform!" | Oct 09 23:32 |
| DiabloD3 | and the funds go directly into my hate fund. | Oct 09 23:32 |
| DiabloD3 | ergo, they are paying me to hate them | Oct 09 23:32 |
| DiabloD3 | MinceR: also btw | Oct 09 23:32 |
| DiabloD3 | if microsoft DID copy android | Oct 09 23:32 |
| DiabloD3 | for real | Oct 09 23:32 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | no tethering | Oct 09 23:32 |
| DiabloD3 | that would end up with the most fucked up OS ever | Oct 09 23:32 |
| DiabloD3 | an open source microsoft anything is fucked up | Oct 09 23:32 |
| DiabloD3 | the concept of such would blow people's minds | Oct 09 23:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] The scold's bridle: fashion. Shackles for slaves: jewelry. Yellow stars: accessorizing. Why do you hate people's freedom to wear? | Oct 09 23:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I love you too, @jonkulp! :D | Oct 09 23:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Prisoner Ben responds to Ken Clarke's Tory prison conference speech by pointing to the less obvious holes. http://tinyurl.com/28bnujk | Oct 09 23:32 | |
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| MinceR | they obviously don't copy advantages | Oct 09 23:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] @reality Sure, but it's a public forum. | Oct 09 23:34 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | And then their shills like to say that WP7 is built from the ground up. In fact it uses a slightly modified Windows CE kernel, so its not built from the ground up. Other components are Zune and Silverlight software modified to run on this, which again is not completely new. | Oct 09 23:34 |
| DiabloD3 | actually, it may be built from the ground up | Oct 09 23:35 |
| DiabloD3 | wince/winmo6, zune, phone7, and kin are all different OS | Oct 09 23:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | If anything its more rehashed tired old MS software being reused with a newer UI on top of it. | Oct 09 23:35 |
| DiabloD3 | they contain code from the same family, but from wildly different versions | Oct 09 23:35 |
| DiabloD3 | microsoft's internal development system is a fucking mess | Oct 09 23:35 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | They all use an CE kernel | Oct 09 23:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes | Oct 09 23:36 |
| DiabloD3 | yes, but DIFFERENT ce kernels | Oct 09 23:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] @reality Erk. Ask on #social or the mailing list. Sorry, my knowledge runs out about here (my installs are on Debian). | Oct 09 23:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @jezra: whiskerino bound | Oct 09 23:36 | |
| DiabloD3 | up to the point NOTHIGN is compatible | Oct 09 23:36 |
| DiabloD3 | its nuts | Oct 09 23:36 |
| DiabloD3 | I mean, microsoft appologists are trying to market this as a feature | Oct 09 23:36 |
| DiabloD3 | its not | Oct 09 23:36 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | how differenet? define differnent CE kernel | Oct 09 23:36 |
| DiabloD3 | its a sign of trouble | Oct 09 23:36 |
| DiabloD3 | Chips_B_Malroy: API differences | Oct 09 23:36 |
| DiabloD3 | stuff that was hacked on for one specific thing and wasnt sent to upstream because CE _has no upstream_ | Oct 09 23:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I would bet 95% of the code in that different CE kernal is the same | Oct 09 23:37 |
| DiabloD3 | they just randomly fuck shit up | Oct 09 23:37 |
| DiabloD3 | 95%? minus the drivers, sure | Oct 09 23:37 |
| DiabloD3 | but that 95% is almost non-existent | Oct 09 23:37 |
| DiabloD3 | and probably looks like NT | Oct 09 23:37 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | modified is not built from the ground up | Oct 09 23:38 |
| DiabloD3 | its a kernel | Oct 09 23:38 |
| DiabloD3 | not an entire OS | Oct 09 23:38 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | built from the ground up implies that all the software is completely new | Oct 09 23:38 |
| DiabloD3 | and Im not saying its built from the ground up | Oct 09 23:38 |
| DiabloD3 | Im saying microsoft development is an utter mess | Oct 09 23:38 |
| DiabloD3 | built from the ground up is NOT A FEATURE | Oct 09 23:38 |
| DiabloD3 | its a bug | Oct 09 23:38 |
| DiabloD3 | the pentium 4 was built from the ground up | Oct 09 23:38 |
| DiabloD3 | look what happened there. | Oct 09 23:38 |
| DiabloD3 | you take good code, and then build more good code around it | Oct 09 23:39 |
| DiabloD3 | and you do this for a decade long run | Oct 09 23:39 |
| DiabloD3 | microsoft keeps just taking random shit from older projects, and slapping it together with new random shit | Oct 09 23:39 |
| DiabloD3 | none of it particularly good | Oct 09 23:39 |
| DiabloD3 | they have no project maintainership going on | Oct 09 23:39 |
| DiabloD3 | they have nothing that can be used to track assets | Oct 09 23:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | well, it looks to me, that MS took 3 projects that failed, and made a phone OS out of them. CE, Zune. and Silverlight. | Oct 09 23:40 |
| DiabloD3 | and even on one mildly small project like Windows, theres so much insane shit going on Windows is a failure | Oct 09 23:40 |
| DiabloD3 | Chips_B_Malroy: except | Oct 09 23:40 |
| DiabloD3 | ce, winmo 6, zune, kin, and phone 7 are all "the same thing" | Oct 09 23:40 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | yes, mostly they are | Oct 09 23:41 |
| DiabloD3 | just completely botched forks and half-rewrites of the parent | Oct 09 23:41 |
| DiabloD3 | thats the whole big problem | Oct 09 23:41 |
| DiabloD3 | NO ONE at Microsoft coordinates development | Oct 09 23:41 |
| DiabloD3 | there is _no_ reason why Microsoft has more than one OS. | Oct 09 23:41 |
| DiabloD3 | Apple doesnt. | Oct 09 23:41 |
| DiabloD3 | take a good look at OSX and iOS | Oct 09 23:41 |
| DiabloD3 | its the same fucking os | Oct 09 23:41 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | CE was made never with the idea of having the user being able to upgrade it to a newer version | Oct 09 23:41 |
| DiabloD3 | not even different versions of it | Oct 09 23:41 |
| DiabloD3 | the only difference is the UI component. | Oct 09 23:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | OSX and IOS is not quite the same, as iOS is an ARM port | Oct 09 23:42 |
| DiabloD3 | and even then, you can run the iOS UI on OSX with minimal effort (devs do it as part of the sdk, and never know it) | Oct 09 23:42 |
| DiabloD3 | Chips_B_Malroy: but a port, in this sense, has no meaning | Oct 09 23:42 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | I kink of follow you here | Oct 09 23:43 |
| DiabloD3 | writing a few new drivers, and then compiling it for a different arch isnt a port in any meaningful sense | Oct 09 23:43 |
| DiabloD3 | and apple has one internal upstream of darwin | Oct 09 23:43 |
| DiabloD3 | stuff is sent back and forth between osx and ios dev teams | Oct 09 23:43 |
| DiabloD3 | and osx and ios dev teams share a few of the same people | Oct 09 23:43 |
| DiabloD3 | and apple has ONE gigantic style manual on how you code things for apple | Oct 09 23:44 |
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| MinceR | actually the P4 did what it was designed to do | Oct 09 23:44 |
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| DiabloD3 | osx and ios is part of ONE development system | Oct 09 23:44 |
| MinceR | (achieve as high a clock rate as possible, within the other constraints) | Oct 09 23:44 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 09 23:44 |
| DiabloD3 | and guess what | Oct 09 23:45 |
| DiabloD3 | apple actually did shit right here | Oct 09 23:45 |
| DiabloD3 | they don't uselessly develop the same wheel over and over again | Oct 09 23:45 |
| MinceR | they don't even develop it once | Oct 09 23:45 |
| DiabloD3 | you know what I mean | Oct 09 23:45 |
| MinceR | they just take a BSDL-et project, sell it, and give nothing back | Oct 09 23:45 |
| DiabloD3 | apple tries to reduce development effort as much as possible | Oct 09 23:45 |
| DiabloD3 | microsoft, otoh, simply does not give a fuck | Oct 09 23:46 |
| MinceR | all the stuff in their sw that isn't totally shit is something they stole from someone | Oct 09 23:46 |
| MinceR | they just put a useless GUI on top that makes even winblows look good | Oct 09 23:46 |
| DiabloD3 | take all the man-hours spent on ce, winmo, zune, kin, and phone | Oct 09 23:46 |
| DiabloD3 | they could have written the best phone os ever. | Oct 09 23:46 |
| MinceR | they could not | Oct 09 23:46 |
| MinceR | someone else could have | Oct 09 23:46 |
| MinceR | but not the retards who work for m$ | Oct 09 23:46 |
| DiabloD3 | they could IF they would have not wrote the same code 12 times. | Oct 09 23:47 |
| DiabloD3 | and each time was worse than the last | Oct 09 23:47 |
| MinceR | the way m$ fucks their code up is always mystifying | Oct 09 23:47 |
| DiabloD3 | yeah | Oct 09 23:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Rush catalogue marathon on flac + newly discovered xmms continues, first player where altering GE causes problems, in happy hearing heaven | Oct 09 23:47 | |
| DiabloD3 | http://images.memegenerator.net/jackie-chan/ImageMacro/2329955/my-mind-is-full-of-fuck.jpg | Oct 09 23:48 |
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| Chips_B_Malroy | you have to look at the prioraties of MS first to understand how they think. Bill and Steve are all about designing the lockin in first. Example Silverlight, Xbox, Zune, into a phone. | Oct 09 23:48 |
| DiabloD3 | Chips_B_Malroy: but that, directly, is not BAD | Oct 09 23:48 |
| DiabloD3 | microsoft has come up with some pretty decent looks for shit | Oct 09 23:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | True | Oct 09 23:48 |
| DiabloD3 | like, look at stock android ui | Oct 09 23:48 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | but its probably the way they do it | Oct 09 23:48 |
| DiabloD3 | its gnome on a phone. | Oct 09 23:49 |
| DiabloD3 | it is so ungodly fucking ugly | Oct 09 23:49 |
| DiabloD3 | its PROGRAMMER ART ugly. | Oct 09 23:49 |
| DiabloD3 | apple does the same shit here as you accuse microsoft | Oct 09 23:49 |
| DiabloD3 | they design the look | Oct 09 23:49 |
| DiabloD3 | all else follows | Oct 09 23:49 |
| MinceR | it's better than "it doesn't look like what it is" | Oct 09 23:49 |
| MinceR | (i'm looking at OS suX) | Oct 09 23:49 |
| DiabloD3 | but the difference between apple and microsoft is apple actually produces functioning code | Oct 09 23:50 |
| MinceR | they do? | Oct 09 23:50 |
| MinceR | and where is it? | Oct 09 23:50 |
| DiabloD3 | microsoft just hires a bunch of indians to bang their heads on the keyboard until msvc compiles it | Oct 09 23:50 |
| MinceR | they couldn't code a kernel worth shit, that's for sure | Oct 09 23:50 |
| MinceR | or an HTML renderer | Oct 09 23:50 |
| DiabloD3 | we're talking too different magnitudes of fail here | Oct 09 23:50 |
| MinceR | the windowing system they did code is just pure shit | Oct 09 23:50 |
| MinceR | even m$ did better than that | Oct 09 23:50 |
| DiabloD3 | microsoft fail vs apple fail is like holding up a candle to the sun | Oct 09 23:50 |
| MinceR | no, they're just turds with differently colored sprinkles on top | Oct 09 23:51 |
| DiabloD3 | apple knows who to steal from | Oct 09 23:51 |
| DiabloD3 | microsoft doesnt | Oct 09 23:51 |
| MinceR | m$ steals from the same people, only a lot less | Oct 09 23:51 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Whats bad is if the products you put in and lockin to your phone, were disasters to start with, like Zune and Silverlight. Xbox games now could be ok, but I suspect they might not be ok on that form factor, a very small screen. | Oct 09 23:51 |
| DiabloD3 | if, suddenly, I woke up in a world where windows never existed, and osx was on everybody's machine | Oct 09 23:51 |
| DiabloD3 | guess what | Oct 09 23:51 |
| DiabloD3 | the world would be a better place | Oct 09 23:51 |
| DiabloD3 | I'd still hate the world's most popular OS, but I wouldn't need daily hour long rage sessions to do it. | Oct 09 23:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | probably, the OS would be better than windows, agreed. Its only the price and the freedom that is lost. | Oct 09 23:52 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Freedom if Linux was not around that is | Oct 09 23:52 |
| DiabloD3 | apple sucks, but, ugh, at least I cant blow my dick off with a mac | Oct 09 23:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] RT @reality You do all that you do, because it's all that you can do #maladjusted | Oct 09 23:52 | |
| DiabloD3 | clippy, otoh, would offer to hold my dick off while I tried to saw it off with a rusty steak knife. | Oct 09 23:53 |
| DiabloD3 | er, hold my dick up | Oct 09 23:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | Well I agree with you that Mac OS X is superior to Windows. | Oct 09 23:53 |
| MinceR | DiabloD3: i'm afraid that world would actually be a lot worse place | Oct 09 23:53 |
| MinceR | OS suX locks the user in a lot more, takes away more of their freedom | Oct 09 23:53 |
| Chips_B_Malroy | just from a viral stand point if nothing else | Oct 09 23:53 |
| MinceR | especially if crApple had the entire market to themselves | Oct 09 23:53 |
| DiabloD3 | MinceR: at least apple ships a working compiler. | Oct 09 23:53 |
| MinceR | a working compiler they didn't write? | Oct 09 23:54 |
| MinceR | congratulations to them on that. | Oct 09 23:54 |
| DiabloD3 | but at least it works. | Oct 09 23:54 |
| MinceR | btw, even m$ ships a working compiler, afaik | Oct 09 23:54 |
| DiabloD3 | gcc > msvc, every day of the motherfucking week. | Oct 09 23:54 |
| MinceR | as part of interix | Oct 09 23:54 |
| MinceR | it's called gcc ;) | Oct 09 23:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] @reality LOL | Oct 09 23:54 | |
| DiabloD3 | sfu isnt windows though | Oct 09 23:54 |
| MinceR | m$ ships it though | Oct 09 23:54 |
| DiabloD3 | infact, if microsoft somehow shipped a server os that was nt + sfu, and no windows components at all, I would, for a small tiny moment, smile. | Oct 09 23:55 |
| MinceR | also, iirc someone said it's shipped as part of some version | Oct 09 23:55 |
| MinceR | i would too, as it would be yet another admission on their part that they're dying | Oct 09 23:55 |
| DiabloD3 | and thats another think | Oct 09 23:55 |
| DiabloD3 | er, thing | Oct 09 23:55 |
| DiabloD3 | if I was the guy who wrote and designed NT | Oct 09 23:55 |
| DiabloD3 | I would piss on bill gates' desk | Oct 09 23:55 |
| DiabloD3 | they took an elegant well designed kernel and.... I dont know | Oct 09 23:56 |
| DiabloD3 | I have no words to describe it | Oct 09 23:56 |
| MinceR | the guy who wrote and designed NT fucked it up in any way their suits asked him to. | Oct 09 23:56 |
| DiabloD3 | MinceR: not quite | Oct 09 23:56 |
| DiabloD3 | after he left the building, the suits handed it over to the indians | Oct 09 23:56 |
| DiabloD3 | and they started duct taping shit to the side | Oct 09 23:56 |
| MinceR | when did he leave the building? | Oct 09 23:56 |
| DiabloD3 | its like putting a "I break for Sarah Palin" bumper sticker on a ferrari | Oct 09 23:57 |
| MinceR | afaik NT never was "we just coded VMS again" | Oct 09 23:57 |
| DiabloD3 | NT basically was | Oct 09 23:57 |
| MinceR | it started with a "let's start with VMS and rape it" attitude, did it not? | Oct 09 23:57 |
| DiabloD3 | but it started falling apart during early NT5 dev | Oct 09 23:57 |
| DiabloD3 | why do you think longhorn never actually shipped | Oct 09 23:57 |
| DiabloD3 | it was just STkjstlkjtlkjdtlkmdgalkrfawr | Oct 09 23:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Looks like GMail doesn't load on the latest nightly build of !firefox 4 | Oct 09 23:57 | |
| Chips_B_Malroy | NT3.11 was long ago, and MS has had a lot of time to hose it up | Oct 09 23:58 |
| DiabloD3 | http://images.memegenerator.net/jackie-chan/ImageMacro/2329955/my-mind-is-full-of-fuck.jpg | Oct 09 23:58 |
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| DiabloD3 | seriously | Oct 09 23:58 |
| DiabloD3 | this. | Oct 09 23:58 |
| DiabloD3 | this is me trying to understand microsoft dev. | Oct 09 23:58 |
| MinceR | because they just blew the money on premiums, made a new skin for the GUI and lied a lot? :> | Oct 09 23:58 |
| MinceR | or because they tried to develop features they never had any idea how to do? | Oct 09 23:58 |
| DiabloD3 | MinceR: yes but | Oct 09 23:58 |
| DiabloD3 | BSD CODE | Oct 09 23:58 |
| DiabloD3 | STEAL IT | Oct 09 23:58 |
| DiabloD3 | DO WHAT APPLE DID | Oct 09 23:58 |
| DiabloD3 | JUST FUCKING DO _SOMETHING_ | Oct 09 23:58 |
| MinceR | the more bsd code they steal the more they risk compatibility | Oct 09 23:59 |
| MinceR | and once you can run m$ crap on another OS, you have no reason to retain winblows | Oct 09 23:59 |
| DiabloD3 | if an indian ever comes up to me on the street | Oct 09 23:59 |
| DiabloD3 | and tells me he works for microsoft | Oct 09 23:59 |
| MinceR | there goes one of the main things that keeps the m$ monopoly in place | Oct 09 23:59 |
| DiabloD3 | Im going to gut him and make sausage out of his intestines while hes still alive | Oct 09 23:59 |
| MinceR | and office is dying too | Oct 09 23:59 |
| MinceR | good plan | Oct 09 23:59 |
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