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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @laurelrusswurm huh?Nov 17 00:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] I've seen two jobs requesting skills related to ForgeRock products advertised this week. Very exciting. http://bit.ly/boiwGONov 17 00:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: eBusiness Security Consultant Job in Woking - Jobsite .::. Size~: 13.24 KBNov 17 00:02
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?q=bill+gates+on+linuxNov 17 00:03
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schestowitzHmmm... top results both usNov 17 00:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Vint Cerf, !lca2011 keynote calls for action on migration to IPv6 http://cli.gs/83ehR0 | Regular regos now available after EBs sold out!Nov 17 00:03
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bruce89just seems rather amusingNov 17 00:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxkernel/@linuxkernel] Linux kernel 2.6.37-rc2-git1 has been released - http://is.gd/haCJL #linux #kernelNov 17 00:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @sebsebseb maybe, I'm not sureNov 17 00:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] whoa! !nanowrimo just surpassed 200,000 participantsNov 17 00:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Thx to CC licenses @PrathamBooks got Braille & audio books to print-impaired kids across the world. Read how & support CC bit.ly/9Ecz5mNov 17 00:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] Speaks for itself: http://ur1.ca/2d4do "the SD card in your phone can't be used in other Windows Phones, PCs, or other devices." !fsf !dbdNov 17 00:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] hey @pinheirokde I want to use some(3) icons from Oxygen iconset in a bootsplash image for a liveCD I'm building. Do I need to do something?Nov 17 00:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] 365 Project Day 3: Pushing My Buttons http://f.ast.ly/PewLCNov 17 00:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] Intel pares 45nm Cores to prep for Sandy Bridge - News - Linux for Devices http://ur1.ca/2d4ilNov 17 01:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] i hope this class speeds out of orbit so i can hustle to my cribNov 17 01:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Do you know where you're going? http://ur1.ca/2d4jn Very cool link between the calendar/maps app on #WebOSNov 17 01:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @ark74: RD @hound: #gnu http://ur1.ca/2d38l | Reconoce tu Libertad, es tu Derecho Natural# - Usa Software Libre!Nov 17 01:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Testando o Google Chrome!!!Nov 17 01:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @lxoliva É, estamos vivendo a ditadura do PC e da patrulha. 1984 perde...Nov 17 01:33
WireWulfnow in english :PNov 17 01:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Cha cha cha changes in my getting-things-done habits http://f.ast.ly/PQHRnNov 17 01:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] ET-XreaL Continues Moving Towards Better Graphics: A few days ago I wrote about major changes coming to the Urba... http://bit.ly/ar874HNov 17 01:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] i don't understand. hulu plus appears to be hulu minus, as hulu plus is missing the episodes i see on the free website.Nov 17 01:47
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gnubiehey guysNov 17 01:47
gnubiewould it be possible to have a techrights room at FOSDEM? :)Nov 17 01:47
sebsebsebgnubie: hmmNov 17 01:48
sebsebsebgnubie: as far as I know no one from techrights is going to FOSDEMNov 17 01:49
gnubieohNov 17 01:49
sebsebsebgnubie: however maybe some are, and you would want to talk to schestowitz about that, but I think he is away right nowNov 17 01:49
gnubieI think techrights needs to have more of a presence at tech eventsNov 17 01:50
gnubieto help spread the wordNov 17 01:50
sebsebsebgnubie: What is FOSDEM exactly anyway, I mean I have heard of it, but thats about it reallyNov 17 01:50
sebsebsebnot so sure what it is and suchNov 17 01:50
sebsebseb,but I know Mageia are going there :DNov 17 01:50
gnubieMageia?Nov 17 01:50
sebsebsebgoing to do the board vote their or whateverNov 17 01:50
sebsebsebgnubie: A Mandriva forkNov 17 01:51
sebsebsebalpha 1 next month, I look forward :)Nov 17 01:51
gnubieoh, rightNov 17 01:51
gnubieI forgot the nameNov 17 01:51
sebsebsebgnubie: also I am going to be something proper community stuff for it so uhmmNov 17 01:51
gnubieFOSDEM is a FLOSS developer conferenceNov 17 01:51
sebsebsebyeah I guess i'll end up going to tech events in the futureNov 17 01:51
sebsebsebopen source stuff I meanNov 17 01:52
gnubieyeaNov 17 01:52
sebsebsebas well as have our events for what I have started,  if we get enough  people interestedNov 17 01:52
sebsebsebhowever need an actsual stable final version of the distro, before stuff like thatNov 17 01:53
sebsebseband enough of a users communityNov 17 01:53
sebsebseband specificially from this country, because its for this countryNov 17 01:53
sebsebsebwhat I am doing officalley for the distro :)Nov 17 01:53
gnubiewhat are you doing?Nov 17 01:54
bruce89helloNov 17 01:54
sebsebsebgnubie: well it doesn't really exist properly yet, since the lack of well any ISO, but  it wil be a UK Users Community :)Nov 17 01:54
gnubieokNov 17 01:54
sebsebsebwhere you from by the way?Nov 17 01:55
sebsebsebbruce89: yes helloNov 17 01:55
sebsebsebgnubie: where you from?Nov 17 01:56
gnubieI'm from the USNov 17 01:56
gnubiebeen a red hat user since 4.0Nov 17 01:57
sebsebsebgnubie: oh right so what year was that?Nov 17 01:58
gnubielike 96 I think?Nov 17 01:58
sebsebseboh ok :)Nov 17 01:59
gnubieor 97Nov 17 01:59
gnubieso long agoNov 17 01:59
gnubiewhen did you start using linux?Nov 17 02:01
WireWulfI was born into a world of unix with BSD and slackwareNov 17 02:02
WireWulftho yes linux is not unix it is unix like so don;t startNov 17 02:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] netflix > hulu plus. seriously. netflix has had its outages, but wow hulu kind of tricked me into paying for a month and has horrible lagNov 17 02:03
sebsebsebgnubie: Desktop Linux since 2004 for meNov 17 02:06
sebsebsebhowever at first coudn't use it online since stupid wireless device, because.....Nov 17 02:06
sebsebsebgnubie: Fedora Core 2  my first distro, did 4 as wellNov 17 02:07
sebsebseblong time to install on that old computerNov 17 02:07
sebsebsebfour hours or soNov 17 02:07
sebsebsebfour CD's or whatever as wellNov 17 02:07
gnubieah, by the time I switched to fc, I had a dvd driveNov 17 02:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @pookito if you care about Freedom, it matters. If not, perhaps not. Thoughts?Nov 17 02:10
gnubieoff to watch a movieNov 17 02:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] I have to say #Minecraft looks rather oddNov 17 02:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stickster/@stickster] This week is flying by, and day-long meetings = not getting a lot of communication done. Unhelpful since I'm on PTO all next week.Nov 17 02:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] NJ, ID legislators ready to ban airport pornoscanners - your help needed! http://ur1.ca/2d55zNov 17 03:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] RT @biella I just got home from a late night appointment with the dentist and I am elated. Really, not being ironic. I do like my dentist!Nov 17 03:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] RT @biella The TSA blogs, how handy http://blog.tsa.gov/2010/11/opting-out-of-advanced-imaging.htmlNov 17 03:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The TSA Blog: Opting-out of Advanced Imaging Technology and the Pat-down Doesn’t Fly .::. Size~: 29.31 KBNov 17 03:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] Can this fine for aborting screening be legal? There's no way your average person is informed about prior agreement to complete the process.Nov 17 03:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxkernel/@linuxkernel] Linux kernel next-20101117 has been released - http://is.gd/haCJL #linux #kernelNov 17 03:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz if i download music from @jamendo onto my computer, i don't necessarily know what the !cc license is. Some jamendo music is NC NDNov 17 03:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @laurelrusswurm Similarly when purchasing CDs from indie artists (usually post performance) you don't know what the license is 'til you lookNov 17 03:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @bkuhn Even though I disagree w/ charter of #OpenRespect, IMO, much of the commentary has been unfair to @jonobacon: My blog at http: ...Nov 17 03:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] seems like a storm stomped #brooklyn while i was in class. mad leaves on the ground and water everywhereNov 17 03:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] The Internet blacklist is back! Act before Thursday: http://ur1.ca/2d5d2Nov 17 03:55
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Internet blacklist (COICA) is back: Take action before Thursday — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software .::. Size~: 28.64 KBNov 17 03:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @mairin @fabsh: freedom of speech is fine, but not all speech is journalism!Nov 17 03:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] I am done with today. Grabbing a beer and parking myself in front of the box for a bit.Nov 17 04:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @glynmoody I understand #Cage lived off royalties, but © maximalism is really inconsistent with the anti-authorship theme of his workNov 17 04:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] @bkuhn good blog post!Nov 17 04:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @laurelrusswurm interesting. The file says #BYSA? and the page says #BYNCSA? I have seen such a mismatch in reverse before.Nov 17 04:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] ET-XreaL Continues Moving Towards Better Graphics: A few days ago I wrote about major changes coming to the Urba... http://bit.ly/ar874HNov 17 04:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @TSAagent: The #TSA screening is entirely voluntary. The $10k fine is only for people who don't consent to it.Nov 17 04:48
oiaohmhttp://www.zdnet.com/blog/microsoft/windows-8-to-showcase-desktop-as-a-service  Hmm where is this going.Nov 17 04:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz sorry, i'm crosseyed tired... I should be sleeping so i suspect i've said it badly. If the DL file indicates license i don't know...Nov 17 05:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Y PPA Manager: Easily Search, Add, Remove Or Purge PPAs In Ubuntu http://bit.ly/coM5Q7Nov 17 05:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Y PPA Manager: Easily Search, Add, Remove Or Purge PPAs In Ubuntu ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog .::. Size~: 72.44 KBNov 17 05:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] H.264 Essay Posted: My essay unpacking the meaning of ‘free’ H.264 licensing is now available in the Essays section. http://bit.ly/b9ltzANov 17 05:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[civicrm/@civicrm] #CiviCRM #Wordpress CiviCRM <-> WordPress Contact Form Thanx mlandauer http://bit.ly/a0o1p4Nov 17 05:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @mairin What's up with the recent Microsoft obsession with kin? it makes me think of Dunkin' Donuts. "You kin do it!" http://ur1.ca/2cw01Nov 17 06:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @webmink H.264 Essay Posted: My essay unpacking the meaning of ‘free’ H.264 licensing is now available in the Essays section. http:// ...Nov 17 06:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle:   Dunkin' Donuts Bows $100MM "You Kin' Do It!" Campaign - MarketingVOX .::. Size~: 24.22 KBNov 17 06:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[civicrm/@civicrm] Big tip of the hat to community member Stuart from Korlon: http://bit.ly/c9M3Zl doing a big QA cycle on #CiviCRM v3.3 : http://bit.ly/d51nqkNov 17 06:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] APNIC chief scientist & !lca2011 keynote Geoff Huston says global migration to IPv6 is "a textbook market failure" http://cli.gs/dRHRpSNov 17 06:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Preview Page - http://www.smh.com.au/technology/technology-news/crunch-time-for-upgrade-of-internet-addresses-that-are-running-out-20101116-17v26.html .::. Size~: 7.22 KBNov 17 06:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Writing an epic blog entry. Make some cocoa, this will take a while to read when it is done....Nov 17 06:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @mohanpram I can’t see myself on Google Earth!!!!!? http://ur1.ca/2cwbs // fake or joke?Nov 17 06:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[civicrm/@civicrm] Booki Mobile takes to the road : http://bit.ly/a33Fsb #CiviCRM is proud of the work done by friends at FLOSS Manuals: http://bit.ly/jaINwNov 17 06:28
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: Booki Blog  » Blog Archive   » Booki Mobile takes to the road - Books Live Here  .::. Size~: 16.58 KBNov 17 06:28
TechrightsBot-trTitle: FLOSS Manuals (en) .::. Size~: 13.88 KBNov 17 06:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @eff New @Facebook Messages #Privacy Fail: you can't delete individual messages, only all messages between you and a particular friend.Nov 17 06:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to work...Nov 17 06:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] RT @civicrm Booki Mobile takes to the road : http://bit.ly/a33Fsb #CiviCRM is proud of the work done by friends at FLOSS Manuals: http: ...Nov 17 06:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] !watching #detroit187Nov 17 06:35
schestowitzhttp://matadornetwork.com/nights/21-of-the-worlds-sexiest-rooftop-pools/Nov 17 06:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] nsisodiya: LUGIITD mailing list has 10,000+ discussion and 1,000+ members in it. http://tinyurl.com/2wad7tx #blog http://bit.ly/d2K2jWNov 17 06:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Narendra Sisodiya: LUGIITD mailing list has 10,000+ discussion and 1,000+ members in it. .::. Size~: 112.64 KBNov 17 06:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @kernellogauthor #linux #kernel 2.6.37-rc2 is out http://bit.ly/9pepVn #2637Nov 17 06:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Genode OS Now Has A LiveCD Demo With Gallium3D: Back in July we reported that Gallium3D and Intel's GEM were por... http://bit.ly/c8ndjuNov 17 06:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] DlbD2.jpg (580×1101) http://i.imgur.com/DlbD2.jpgNov 17 06:47
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schestowitzHey, BalzacNov 17 07:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @glynmoody John Suffolk to leave as Government CIO - a blow to G-Cloud, innovation and radical reform? - http://bit.ly/cl3xzPNov 17 07:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] What’s up with SUMO – Nov. 16 http://bit.ly/bCLfHUNov 17 07:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] How freedom of speech really works. http://dilbert.com/1992-01-12/Nov 17 07:13
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: The official Dilbert website with Scott Adams' color comic strips, animation, mashups and more! .::. Size~: 20.5 KBNov 17 07:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] StarHub's illegal code injection screenshots - http://ur1.ca/2d6iy #fbNov 17 07:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Should we rejoice that H.164 is "free"? Probably not. http://webmink.com/essays/h-264/ /via @webminkNov 17 07:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @johnsu01: The Internet blacklist is back! Act before Thursday: http://ur1.ca/2d5d2 #fsf #gnuNov 17 07:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @patrickDurusau: LOD gets closer to TMRM, http://tm.durusau.net/?p=4159Nov 17 07:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Reducing Ambiguity, LOD, Ookaboo, TMRM «  Another Word For It .::. Size~: 9.41 KBNov 17 07:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Make it really easy to fix bugs on #Ubuntu http://is.gd/hgH32 #gnu #linuxNov 17 07:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Is this the worst miss ever ? http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/blogs/world-of-sport/article/24271/ !footballNov 17 07:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] The current American airport scanning is so offensive.Nov 17 07:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] 100 Million Adblock Plus Downloads http://bit.ly/dBP8QQNov 17 07:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft Está Hablando "Por"las Pequeñas y Medianas Empresas (PYMES) En la UE para Promover las Patentes de Software http://is.gd/hgIPuNov 17 07:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @themadhatteron Conor Lenihan, Irish Politician Admits That He Is Bought And Paid For http://bit.ly/96rtIbNov 17 07:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @robmyers Rally for Paul Chambers in Sheffield at noon on Saturday - http://bit.ly/jokesontrial #twitter #joke #policestate #censorshipNov 17 07:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @trashbird1240 Microsoft continues to "innovate" by doing something a GNU computer did almost 3 years ago http://is.gd/hgK8KNov 17 07:55
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft, Google and cloud tech news: Microsoft breaks petaflop barrier, loses Top 500 spot to Linux | Network World .::. Size~: 94.58 KBNov 17 07:56
schestowitzhttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=ODc4OQNov 17 07:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft motto: we're ahead, just hold on and wait for us, show us what to doNov 17 07:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[loophole87/@loophole87] I am not using #Choqok. It's awesome!Nov 17 08:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "I don't have any agenda - that's what all your FOSS people don't understand. I'm merely stating my point of view." http://is.gd/hgLq5 #povNov 17 08:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: iTWire Discussions &bull; View topic - OpenRespect.org: a bid to deflect criticism of Ubuntu? .::. Size~: 48.98 KBNov 17 08:02
schestowitzjono: Sam's output is controversial because he touches controversial subjectsNov 17 08:02
schestowitzSometimes he goes too far for me, but to paint all his work negatively is not fair IMHO. He does some dirty laundry sometimes, touching subjects others would notNov 17 08:03
schestowitzI can sometimes relate to the position he's in, which may also bring LUG Radio to mindNov 17 08:03
schestowitzJust because people may not find it /comfortable/ to hear something does not always make it untrue (sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't)Nov 17 08:04
schestowitzYou said: "I appreciate your column in an opinion column, but surely the best opinion columns present the full story?"Nov 17 08:05
schestowitzOK, perfectly okNov 17 08:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @jonobacon Wondering if I need to hire a plane to draw "OpenRespect is not an Ubuntu/Canonical project" in the skyNov 17 08:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Case Against COICA - http://bit.ly/9tU3cg amongst other bad things, this will split the Net #censorship #copyrightNov 17 08:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @loophole87 "not" or "now"? I am using it right now and love the program.Nov 17 08:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @nhi Sick of the TSA's nude scanners? Ask your state legislators to join the movement to stop them: http://bit.ly/9h9tt2Nov 17 08:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Reflections On Respect - some thoughts on OpenRespect, it's reaction, and some apologies: http://is.gd/hgN9P #openrespect #communityNov 17 08:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @mairin @fabsh: freedom of speech is fine, but not all speech is journalism! > @mairin, what do you define journalism to be?Nov 17 08:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @bruce89 7 minutes of real news #RepublicNowNov 17 08:13
jonoschestowitz I don't respect his journalistic work a allNov 17 08:14
jonoat allNov 17 08:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @rahulsundaram !Fedora Welcomes in New Management http://ur1.ca/2d6toNov 17 08:15
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jonoI think people such as Steven Vaughan-Nichols and  Bruce Byfield are much better inspirations - always fair, and not afraid to say it as it is, but always fair and balancedNov 17 08:16
schestowitzjono: all of it? I mean, sometimes the targets are differenNov 17 08:16
jonoschestowitz everything I have read from himNov 17 08:16
jonomaybe it is just the content I have readNov 17 08:16
schestowitzjono: fair and balanced may mean other thingsNov 17 08:16
schestowitzFair and balanced may mean that one does not deviate much from the consensusNov 17 08:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] http://images.4chan.org/ is blocked in Saudi Arabia. #stupidcensorshipNov 17 08:17
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jonoI believe as a journalist it is your job to provide the full story, and I feel Sam slants it unfairly in most casesNov 17 08:17
schestowitzjono: he has some better onesNov 17 08:17
jonoagain, just my experience, he may have excellent other workNov 17 08:17
schestowitzThis one about openrespect I don't agree with him onNov 17 08:17
schestowitzOr his anti-MarkS tiradesNov 17 08:17
schestowitzjono: "full story" is vague termNov 17 08:17
schestowitzAll news is biasedNov 17 08:18
schestowitzNew York Times, Groklaw, you name it...Nov 17 08:18
schestowitzThere are more than 2 sides to every coinNov 17 08:18
jonoschestowitz btw, I just posted some reflections on openrespectNov 17 08:18
schestowitzReading many sources and listing them is probably the best one can doNov 17 08:18
jonomight be of interestNov 17 08:18
schestowitzLike NYT vs WikileaksNov 17 08:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Righthaven's Retreat On 'Partial Copying' Cases Shows Firm's Vulnerability - http://bit.ly/bYhbTT haha, getting cold feet #copyrightNov 17 08:18
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schestowitzjono: I saw that and already added that to next bundle of linksNov 17 08:19
schestowitzYou're in my reading listNov 17 08:19
schestowitzI didn't mention techrights in a post, just daily linksNov 17 08:19
jonoschestowitz no worries, no pressure to link if you don't feel it is appropriateNov 17 08:19
schestowitzPeople turn any Ubuntu signal into a fightNov 17 08:19
jonoyeah it seems so sometimesNov 17 08:19
schestowitzAnd I'm tired of it cause it's productivity sinkNov 17 08:20
jonoagreedNov 17 08:20
schestowitzMint and Fedora are the newsNov 17 08:20
schestowitzNot Wayland or Unity, IMHONov 17 08:20
oiaohmWayland is news.Nov 17 08:20
schestowitzAnd the European Patent, which no bloody Linux sites seems to be coveringNov 17 08:20
schestowitzThese are the main issuesNov 17 08:20
jonook, I am going to bedNov 17 08:20
jononight schestowitzNov 17 08:21
jonotake care, palNov 17 08:21
schestowitzPerens at least got the message out that it's our #1 issueNov 17 08:21
oiaohmMeego Fedora lot of parties interested in wayland.Nov 17 08:21
oiaohmAnd as predictable Nvidia not supporting it.Nov 17 08:21
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schestowitzoiaohm: yes, but not the controversy over it coming to UbuntuNov 17 08:21
oiaohmUnity is contronversal.Nov 17 08:21
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schestowitzFedora/Red Hat have worked about it for ages and Phoronix covered itNov 17 08:21
schestowitzThis just wasn't news until Ubuntu/MarkS mentioned itNov 17 08:22
schestowitzSo when Phoronix covers it, it's dullNov 17 08:22
oiaohmAlso Ubuntu willing ness not to work with upstreams has been a on going problem.Nov 17 08:22
oiaohmSo unity forming was not unpredictable.Nov 17 08:22
schestowitzThen when SteveofLinux mentions it, a fight breaks outNov 17 08:22
schestowitztrueNov 17 08:23
oiaohmUnity wm is to a lot of people a sign of Ubuntu unwillingness to work with upstreams.Nov 17 08:23
oiaohmWe had tones of different wm why do we need another one.Nov 17 08:23
schestowitzBut we put a lot into Ubuntu hateNov 17 08:23
schestowitzThe issue is patent hate.. SHOULD beNov 17 08:23
schestowitzPatents! swpats!Nov 17 08:23
schestowitzNot this stuff:Nov 17 08:23
schestowitzhttp://slated.org/jono_bacon_prefers_windowsNov 17 08:23
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schestowitzDrama Drama Drama!Nov 17 08:23
oiaohmSome of the Ubuntu hate is Ubuntu own fault.Nov 17 08:23
schestowitzWho cares!Nov 17 08:23
oiaohmRedhat use to be hated by upstream as well when they were young.Nov 17 08:24
schestowitz^about the postNov 17 08:24
oiaohmFor doing the same things.Nov 17 08:24
schestowitzNot about your message :-)Nov 17 08:24
schestowitzGot messages about Red Hat?Nov 17 08:24
oiaohmThat is the other thing Ubuntu seams to like hugging up to windows and other other Linuxs.Nov 17 08:24
oiaohm1996-1998 when redhat tried desktop.Nov 17 08:25
schestowitzWell, at least Red Hat has been writing lots of code which seems to be used in mainline. What about copyrights?Nov 17 08:25
oiaohmThey had redhat kde and redhat gnomeNov 17 08:25
schestowitzThe copyright assignment is the major sticking pointNov 17 08:25
oiaohmThat were heavy patched to upstream.Nov 17 08:25
oiaohmAnd the upstreams hated redhat then as well.Nov 17 08:25
schestowitzoiaohm: gnome in 96-98??Nov 17 08:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Cory Ondrejka, ex-CTO of Linden Labs, joins Facebook - http://bit.ly/9jLX5Y intriguing move #facebook #slNov 17 08:27
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oiaohmAt the start of gnome and kde schestowitzNov 17 08:27
oiaohmredhat forked off there own versions to complete on the desktop.Nov 17 08:27
oiaohmYes the same logic ubuntu is using today.Nov 17 08:27
oiaohmAnd by doing that Redhat got themselves hated.Nov 17 08:27
oiaohmIn 2000 Redhat had worked out that working with upstreams made people friendly with them.Nov 17 08:28
schestowitzI see...Nov 17 08:28
oiaohmSo yes Ubuntu is a history repeat.Nov 17 08:28
oiaohmAnd its making all the same mistakes.Nov 17 08:29
oiaohmLike pushing unstable parts on users too soon.Nov 17 08:29
oiaohmEven the copyright assignement bit redhat was doing in there early days as well.Nov 17 08:30
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oiaohmUntil they learned like libreoffice has found.  No copyright assigment more coders.Nov 17 08:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @bruce89 #OpenRespect is the thing that you'd imagine would cause the least amount of contravercyNov 17 08:30
oiaohmBasically Ubuntu own copyright assignment policy is cutting there own hands off.Nov 17 08:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @fontana yes, it doesn't really seem, er, consonant with his ideas...Nov 17 08:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Good morning identiverse from !identicurse :)Nov 17 08:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] One Hundred Naked Citizens: One Hundred Leaked Body Scans http://gizmodo.com/5690749/ //didn't they say the machine can't save images? #tsaNov 17 08:35
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schestowitzHmmm...Nov 17 08:35
schestowitzJono left, maybe didn't like where this was goingNov 17 08:35
schestowitzgtgNov 17 08:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Yes! My company now number 1 on !google for #barcelona #informatica #linux All your server am ours :)Nov 17 08:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Reflections On Respect - http://bit.ly/cTy6tG good post explaining background and current kerfuffle #opensourceNov 17 08:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] AFP Still Not Giving Up On Its Bizarre Claim That Twitpic Images Are Freely Licensed To Anyone - http://bit.ly/bRJUHW AFP's lack of clueNov 17 08:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @jonobacon Reflections On Respect - some thoughts on OpenRespect, it's reaction, and some apologies: http://is.gd/hgN9P #openrespect ...Nov 17 09:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Students rally near the office. Christ, many things *exactly* as when I was kid. Nothing changed then, nothing now. Yet we had better musicNov 17 09:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Nuking and rebuilding a Rembo server. In other news: The new #BUSC website is nearly done...Nov 17 09:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @rahulsundaram: #Wayland package for !Fedora at http://ur1.ca/2d75lNov 17 09:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Welcome to My World, Mr Zuckerberg - http://bit.ly/9eaS5A from co-creator of MIME protocol, who is sceptical... #email #facebookNov 17 09:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ars technica - #MeeGo conference: momentum intact despite lack of hardware http://goo.gl/Qa6FPNov 17 09:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: !GNOME Shell Overview-Relayout Branch Gets Polished http://goo.gl/bkeCmNov 17 09:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] tglx and mingo: "We are pleased to announce a new tracing tool called 'trace'. This tool follows up on Linus's [...]" http://bit.ly/biizwDNov 17 09:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Feedly v4.x visual tutorial http://goo.gl/u3z1JNov 17 09:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Jono Bacon's reflections on respect http://goo.gl/xabS0Nov 17 09:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] Europe Reimagines Orwell’s Memory Hole http://is.gd/hh1Nc !fsfeNov 17 09:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @glynmoody: Welcome to My World, Mr Zuckerberg - http://bit.ly/9eaS5A from co-creator of MIME protocol, who is sceptical...Nov 17 09:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Nonesuch Explorer Series on Spotify - http://bit.ly/bxpeZv double helping of gamelans - javanese and balinese - & more #gamelan #spotifyNov 17 09:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Do 3D Printers Bypass Customs? - http://bit.ly/9OcuMp oh my word, yes: think about the implications... #3dprinters #fabbers #geographyNov 17 09:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Lucas Rocha: Context Toolbars in The Board http://goo.gl/PfA59 More about the Board Project: http://goo.gl/O5u97 !gnomeNov 17 09:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[loophole87/@loophole87] #Hotot client is awesome!Nov 17 09:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[loophole87/@loophole87] @schestowitz Yeah, it's "now". Thanks. But now I am trying #Hotot alpha version. It's amazing!Nov 17 09:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @loophole87 yeah, I heard it's great tooNov 17 09:58
MinceRlol @ the notion of byfield being always fairNov 17 09:59
*schestowitz off to workNov 17 09:59
*MinceR wonders when will jono join the ranks of the anti-rms trolls (where byfield already is)Nov 17 09:59
schestowitzMinceR: byfield is the fountain of truithNov 17 09:59
schestowitz"for journalists like me..."Nov 17 09:59
schestowitzThat's how byfield writesNov 17 10:00
schestowitzbblNov 17 10:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] @carlopiana if you also list AC/DC there…yes you had better music :PNov 17 10:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Value of ₹500 (Rupees) for different people in India... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UkhxexiBbANov 17 10:00
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MinceRlolNov 17 10:01
MinceRalso, i think the significance of ubuntu moving to wayland is that this might show that wayland is or is becoming a mature product alreadyNov 17 10:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] I've never understood why FITs object to surveillance. It's what they do - http://is.gd/hh5QuNov 17 10:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Reclaim our Scientific Scholarship (Beyond the PDF) - http://bit.ly/arW6Fr more pugnacious stuff; wonderful #scienceNov 17 10:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] Artists NOT on iTunes http://is.gd/hh61c (#hint : moustache)Nov 17 10:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @flameeyes you bet. And they still kick a/body else's ass, barring a very few.Nov 17 10:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Feeling an urgency to listen some of my AC/DC records. Not advisable in a conference call, I am entering into one.Nov 17 10:03
MinceRgeekingsNov 17 10:08
amarsh04hi MinceRNov 17 10:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana, I was going for the triple meaning: the food, Francis #Bacon, & @jonobacon. Back when I still ate meat, I did like bacon a lot.Nov 17 10:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stevenrosenberg/@stevenrosenberg] Should I upgrade to Fedora 14? http://ht.ly/1a177LNov 17 10:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] @mairin if you haven't noticed that yet, they're kidding. hence the context.Nov 17 10:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] I would swear this comic is about someone I know: http://is.gd/hhd0VNov 17 10:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] ♺ @manovich: new york times: the next big idea in humanities is data: [...] http://bit.ly/b8v2ICNov 17 10:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Does anybody know how I might get a tag cloud working in Drupal 7? I'm kinda stuck on that one...Nov 17 10:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] ♺ @glynmoody: Do 3D Printers Bypass Customs? - http://bit.ly/9OcuMp oh my word, yes: think about the implications...Nov 17 10:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] @glynmoody: Don't worry, ACTA II will take care of that. ;-)Nov 17 10:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] Is it just me, or is #Identica's use of skimlinks.com kinda sleazy? (Thanks, ghostery.com for the heads-up.)Nov 17 11:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGo_OS: #MeeGo MeeGo conference: momentum intact despite lack of hardware - Ars Technica http://dlvr.it/8fyCmNov 17 11:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: My_Maemo Simple VU Meter for the N900: http://My-Maemo.com/?p=6846Nov 17 11:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGo_OS: #MeeGo Nokia to promote MeeGo OS at European conference - infocera http://dlvr.it/8gVpQNov 17 11:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] New aspect to stuxnet. http://ur1.ca/2d7wf #windows #security #aggression #IranNov 17 11:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoConference: Presenters: Please upload your #MeeGoConf materials to your session page this week http://bit.ly/bbm4b8Nov 17 11:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoConference: Did you miss a talk? Not able to attend #MeeGoConf? Videos are being posted now & rest of week: http://bit.ly/bbm4b8Nov 17 11:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoExperts: Notebooks for Attendees will be distributed in the presidents suite from 11:00 to 14:30 #meegoconfNov 17 11:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] #OpenData that is not made available using #OpenStandards simply isn't #Opendata.Nov 17 11:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @laurelrusswurm ah, this quote: "dances awesome rhythm !CC #by-sa http://ur1.ca/2d3fo " confused me. note the #by-sa you included.Nov 17 11:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @robmyers yupNov 17 11:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Extreme weather forecasts: web users unite to power climate change project - http://bit.ly/atl5ZR great except for the CO2 they will produceNov 17 11:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Thounds - http://bit.ly/9angcB "users can share music ideas by recording their inspiration". nice idea; not sure about name...Nov 17 12:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Unity Daily builds !PPA has been created on Launchpad: http://goo.gl/af2mc no packages yet. !uNov 17 12:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Techcrunch confuses excuses with reasons - http://is.gd/hhrq4Nov 17 12:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] ♺ @jwildeboer: #OpenData that is not made available using #OpenStandards simply isn't #Opendata.Nov 17 12:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Catastrophe beckons, but it's not as newsworthy as a poorly worded email - http://is.gd/hhsgbNov 17 12:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: A stunning year in climate science reveals that human civilization is on the precipice  «  Climate Progress .::. Size~: 178.61 KBNov 17 12:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Blogger faces terror charges for 'naming MPs' - http://bit.ly/cMSyoW "Don't tell 'em about Hansard or TheyWorkForYou"; quiteNov 17 12:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Are the public of the USA beginning to tire of unconditional support for Israel? http://ur1.ca/2d89g #occupation !PalestineNov 17 12:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL..... Jimmy Fallon doing a Neil Young impression and singing "Whip My Hair" is pretty awesome.... :DNov 17 12:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ROFL Bruce dressed up as himself from the 70s.... LOLNov 17 12:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxkernel/@linuxkernel] Linux kernel 2.6.37-rc2-git2 has been released - http://is.gd/haCJL #linux #kernelNov 17 12:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] wow, there's an Open Data Euskadi - http://bit.ly/d1Htws how cool is that? (via @alorza @jdelacueva) #opendata #euskadiNov 17 12:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Palm Chief: By Birthright, Palm Should Have Owned the #Smartphone Market - http://bit.ly/awEm9f 'cos everyone knows it's a "right" #palmNov 17 12:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @glynmoody Objects of questionable legality could spontaneously appear within a country's borders. been happening with recipes for ages.Nov 17 12:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Healthcare for profit welcomes the demise of Britain's National Institute for Health and Clinical Excellence. http://ur1.ca/2d8e5 #lobbyistsNov 17 12:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stevenrosenberg/@stevenrosenberg] gThumb fixes a bug in 2.12.1 (and have I mentioned lately how much I love gThumb?) http://ht.ly/1a1dmsNov 17 12:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Berlin blocks deal to save jungle paradise [de] - http://bit.ly/9j1PUC what is he thinking? #ecuador #germanyNov 17 12:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Hehe.... Jimmy has it right. "You gotta see this guy in concert!" !BruceNov 17 12:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Bruce's finally admits he can't distinguish between people shouting "Boooo!" or "Bruuuuuuuce!" LOL :DNov 17 12:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Sad to hear Ben Gunn diagnosed with cancer, glad to hear he is recommended for open prison. http://ur1.ca/2d8gvNov 17 12:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Our 京P plate for the #Lancer http://www.flickr.com/photos/gbraad/5184403192/Nov 17 12:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] The photo on the vehicle registration license http://www.flickr.com/photos/gbraad/5183837507/ #LancerNov 17 12:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "I allowed the band to vote on the songs on the album. Didn't listen to them of course, but I allowed them to vote." He's The Boss afterall.Nov 17 12:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] The Apache v ORCL discussion on #TCK shows again how good #openstandards and (F)RAND combine - not at all. http://is.gd/hhB82Nov 17 12:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[codepope/@codepope] @fabsh WeTab only runs the MeeGo core, not the UI layers.Nov 17 13:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fabsh for the next crapple session - http://is.gd/hhC3K - have fun :-)Nov 17 13:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @jwildeboer That site is blocked here. Will look at it when I get home, thanks! :)Nov 17 13:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Stevie on Jimmy Fallon too! Ace! :DNov 17 13:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @codepope Wow..... That makes sense..... *sarcasm*Nov 17 13:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[codepope/@codepope] @fabsh Thats the least of the WeTab's issues… (I had a play at Qt Dev Days in Munich), my fave is the fan which is also loudNov 17 13:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[flameeyes/@flameeyes] Hehe, many years afterwards, there are still traces of the November 17 virus I remember from my DOS years: http://is.gd/hhGPQNov 17 13:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @codepope It has a FAN???? OoNov 17 13:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ireland: the good stuff - http://bit.ly/d4ZvGE interesting use of Twitter-sourcing (via @Glinner) #twitter #crowdsourcingNov 17 13:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] "Hardware-Befreier" - welch schönes Wort im #SPIEGEL -http://is.gd/hhI1rNov 17 13:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] U.K. Government to Snub BBC, Google Over Web Access - http://bit.ly/d9zbG3 yeah, good idea, kill net neutrality (via @tom_watson)Nov 17 13:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] That stuff from Jimmy Fallon was nice. One can tell the guy is a bona fide Bruce fan. Good taste, I like that... :)Nov 17 13:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ancient road uncovered in Luxor - http://bit.ly/bPdsXD but how did they miss the 12 sphinxes before? buried so deep? #egyptologyNov 17 13:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] This is bad news » UK.gov ignores 'net neutrality' campaigners » http://ping.fm/BH0IgNov 17 13:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Jono Bacon's "Reflections On Respect" is actually a pretty good apology http://ping.fm/PE162Nov 17 13:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Me want! ♺ @dickturpin: @fabsh here's the perfect ranting chair for you http://ping.fm/h7CHENov 17 13:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !RedHat warns of hole in #OpenSSL http://ping.fm/32XBvNov 17 13:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @zotz but for material objects in general, it's newNov 17 13:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] ♺ @slashdot: Internet Explorer 9 Caught Cheating In SunSpider http://bit.ly/a2uIWN | #oopsIE http://is.gd/hhLZ5Nov 17 13:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] RAND: Not So Reasonable: Fair, Reasonable, Non-Discriminatory – surely that all has to be good stuff?  RAND sou... http://bit.ly/9seR2KNov 17 13:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Three unspoken blockers that prevent professors from teaching open source community participation http://bit.ly/amzlo1Nov 17 14:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RAND: Not So Reasonable? - http://bit.ly/9WJO5K @webmink expresses his doubts #licensing #opensource #frandNov 17 14:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "Save my Love" is a really nice song despite the cheesy title.... Can't wait to hear that live in concert with E Street backing. :)Nov 17 14:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @glynmoody: RAND: Not So Reasonable? - http://bit.ly/9WJO5K @webmink expresses his doubts <yep, that's why we speak "open standards" !FSFENov 17 14:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Whoaahh! I've got fifteen updates. That's the most I've had since moving to !FedoraNov 17 14:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @carlopiana Want to make any bets on how long it will be before I get a troll comment?Nov 17 14:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] AMD Already Has Open-Source Fusion Drivers: There's good news for those of you wanting to quickly go out and pic... http://bit.ly/9WDq2qNov 17 14:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @webmink I was surprised you did not have one yet. I bet 15:18 UTC+1Nov 17 14:13
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Ender2070does java work on arm ?Nov 17 14:16
Ender2070and does c#Nov 17 14:16
gnufreexEnder2070: Depends on the OS. C# does not.Nov 17 14:16
gnufreexBut Mono might workNov 17 14:16
gnufreexOn some.Nov 17 14:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] the goodbye shirt http://www.threadless.com/submission/308022/the_goodbye_shirtNov 17 14:17
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gnufreexOpenJDK works on MeGoo, I think.Nov 17 14:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Vetting and Barring Scheme: the chaos continues - http://bit.ly/bI81NA what a fiasco (via @raycorrigan) #ukNov 17 14:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] The Man From Hollywood http://tylergaw.com/www/lab/themanfromhollywood/Nov 17 14:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Wow.... Long day at work. At least I can listen to music....Nov 17 14:27
gnufreexschestowitz: Lol... craze just keeps on coming from Florian Mueller: "Linux is all about proprietary extensions..."Nov 17 14:29
Ender2070ql4ith5Nov 17 14:30
Ender2070alrightNov 17 14:30
Ender2070LOLNov 17 14:30
Ender2070Google's Go programming language works on ARMNov 17 14:30
Ender2070perhaps Go is a better alternativeNov 17 14:31
Ender2070over Java and C#Nov 17 14:31
Ender2070for easier to write codeNov 17 14:31
gnufreexGo is Google's replacement for CNov 17 14:31
Ender2070not just CNov 17 14:31
gnufreexI like Java better.Nov 17 14:31
Ender2070it uses a lot of python ideas tooNov 17 14:31
Ender2070and javaNov 17 14:31
Ender2070yeah but with Java we have the oracle overlordsNov 17 14:32
Ender2070if you dont do java their way they'll sue you #freedomourwayNov 17 14:32
gnufreexThat is overblown. Java is GPL, only Apache is unhappy about that.Nov 17 14:32
gnufreexAnd Google.Nov 17 14:32
Ender2070if I made my own Java that didn't pass oracles test i'd see their lawyers soon enoughNov 17 14:33
MinceRand IBM jumped shipNov 17 14:33
Ender2070IBM isnt dumbNov 17 14:33
Ender2070they have to follow oracle or get suedNov 17 14:33
MinceREnder2070: also, they don't let you have their tests as free softwareNov 17 14:33
gnufreexYou don't need any tests if your Java is GPLNov 17 14:33
Ender2070like GoogleNov 17 14:33
gnufreexGoogle's "Java" is not GPLNov 17 14:33
Ender2070noNov 17 14:33
Ender2070you dont need any tests if its openjdkNov 17 14:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Background on the Icelandic Constitutional Assembly - http://bit.ly/9Ycfal go, @smarimc , go (via @mbauwens) #icelandNov 17 14:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] OK, time to tie this crap up.... When I get home I have a podcast to edit....Nov 17 14:33
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Ender2070only openjdk is free softwareNov 17 14:33
Ender2070and only if you play by oracles rulesNov 17 14:34
Ender2070you cant put it on mobileNov 17 14:34
gnufreexSo, just take some OpenJDK code (class library for example) and you are fine.Nov 17 14:34
gnufreexYou can put OpenJDK on mobile as long as you obey GPL.Nov 17 14:34
gnufreexNo OracleNov 17 14:34
gnufreexOr anything.Nov 17 14:34
Ender2070cant dudeNov 17 14:34
gnufreexWhoever said otherwise is lying.Nov 17 14:34
Ender2070oracle doesnt want it on mobile and the tck won't pass itNov 17 14:35
gnufreexFlorian Mueller is lying.Nov 17 14:35
gnufreex He said that.Nov 17 14:35
Ender2070javafxNov 17 14:35
Ender2070thats for mobileNov 17 14:35
gnufreexJavaFX is deadNov 17 14:35
gnufreexNokia already shipps OpenJDK on N900Nov 17 14:35
Ender2070to us it is yesNov 17 14:35
Ender2070who was saying it wouldnt legally work on mobile?Nov 17 14:36
gnufreexMobile restriction you talk about apply only on non-OpenJDKNov 17 14:36
gnufreexLike DalvikNov 17 14:36
Ender2070but you see right thereNov 17 14:36
Ender2070"everything but openjdk"Nov 17 14:36
Ender2070only openjdk gets the exceptionNov 17 14:36
gnufreexNot everything.Nov 17 14:36
gnufreexOnly things that don't derive from OpenJDK.Nov 17 14:37
Ender2070it seems that if your java isn't sourced by oracle, you'll get suedNov 17 14:37
Ender2070if it didnt come from openjdk you'll get sued, and if it did, oracle will call copyright infringement when they sue ;)Nov 17 14:37
gnufreexDo you have any idea how hard is to make Java by yourself? Why not use OpenJDK as base?Nov 17 14:37
Ender2070because it sucks?Nov 17 14:38
oiaohmNot exactly true Ender2070Nov 17 14:38
oiaohmThere is gnu classpathNov 17 14:38
Ender2070gnu classpath != openjdkNov 17 14:38
gnufreexThat is giberish ender2070Nov 17 14:38
oiaohmopenjdk and gnu classpath have the same  licences  Ender2070Nov 17 14:39
Ender2070but look at GoNov 17 14:39
Ender2070BSDNov 17 14:39
gnufreexOracle can't sue you for copyrightsNov 17 14:39
gnufreexIf you obey GPLNov 17 14:39
gnufreexIt is easy.Nov 17 14:39
Ender2070they're suing googleNov 17 14:39
oiaohmAlso gnu classpath has been using the TCKNov 17 14:39
gnufreexGOOGLE DOESNNov 17 14:39
Ender2070they even made up a bunch of lies against googleNov 17 14:39
gnufreexGOOGLE DOESNT USE OPEN JDKNov 17 14:39
oiaohmEnder2070: Google did admit a mistake.Nov 17 14:39
Ender2070they shouldn't have toNov 17 14:39
gnufreexIt doesn't obey GPLNov 17 14:39
oiaohmjavadoc to extract docs from sun libs.Nov 17 14:40
gnufreexThey shouldnNov 17 14:40
Ender2070if java was really an open standard it wouldn't have so much risk around it when you deviate from oracleNov 17 14:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] STEM education: Live chat at noon with Al Gore, Dean Kamen, Sally Ride, and the Mythbusters http://ow.ly/3bdYpNov 17 14:40
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Ender2070imo, google should tell oracle to fuck off and get dalvik to use Go syntax insteadNov 17 14:41
oiaohmReally sticking to GPL with classpath allowance Oracle will allow you to go long way from spec.Nov 17 14:41
gnufreexGoogle coopted Java to created propriatary Android.Nov 17 14:41
oiaohmRedhat has made custom versions of java before Google even attempted it Ender2070Nov 17 14:41
gnufreexI am with Google on all other Android lawsuits, but I am not suporting Google at destroying Java.Nov 17 14:41
Ender2070ahhh you're just being google hatersNov 17 14:41
oiaohmNo Ender2070Nov 17 14:41
Ender2070google isnt destroying javaNov 17 14:42
Ender2070they dont even say dalvik is javaNov 17 14:42
oiaohmGoogle failed todo there homework.Nov 17 14:42
Ender2070we'll seeNov 17 14:42
oiaohmThere as been a ongoing dispute between apache and sun now orcaleNov 17 14:42
Ender2070of courseNov 17 14:42
oiaohmSun never wanted Java under Apache licence.Nov 17 14:42
Ender2070but imo, java is tainted with lawsuitsNov 17 14:42
sebsebsebschestowitz: Just started listening to the techbytes pilotNov 17 14:42
oiaohmSo is .net Ender2070Nov 17 14:43
Ender2070which is why i started this conversation with a suggestion to use Google GoNov 17 14:43
Ender2070instead of Java and C#Nov 17 14:43
gnufreexEnder2070: Will you be fine with Microsoft taking Linux and puting it under BSD license?Nov 17 14:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Listening to Einstein on the Beach on vinylNov 17 14:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stevenrosenberg/@stevenrosenberg] What do you think about the lack of tags or categories in this blog? http://ht.ly/1a1j6RNov 17 14:43
sebsebsebhmm so that is what Tim sounds likeNov 17 14:43
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oiaohmAndroid also has legal problems.  Ender2070Nov 17 14:43
sebsebseband thats you schestowitzNov 17 14:44
Ender2070gnufreex Google isn't taking Oracle codeNov 17 14:44
gnufreexOracle beggs to differNov 17 14:44
Ender2070well ill take googles word over oraclesNov 17 14:44
gnufreexLook at evidenceNov 17 14:44
Ender2070oracle is in the same league as apple in the lies departmentNov 17 14:44
gnufreexI don't take anyone's wordNov 17 14:44
Ender2070SCO had some evidence too, didnt mean it was validNov 17 14:44
Ender2070im sure google will be copying oracles whitespaceNov 17 14:45
gnufreexSCO had no evidenceNov 17 14:45
gnufreexOnly crackNov 17 14:45
gnufreexAnd pipeNov 17 14:45
Ender2070SCO had lines of code they were showing people, only it turned out to be liesNov 17 14:45
Ender2070they made people sign an NDA to see itNov 17 14:45
oiaohmhttp://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-2.0.html  Ender2070 its a major one.  Lot of makers of android phones fail to include a directions to the source code of the Linux kernel they are using.Nov 17 14:46
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Ender2070if googles lines of code are the same its because there was no other way of doing the same thingNov 17 14:46
oiaohmBasically android is legally screwed up from the base up.Nov 17 14:46
oiaohmForget the java issue.Nov 17 14:46
Ender2070according to youNov 17 14:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[civicrm/@civicrm] Should #CiviCRM support distributed events (house parties, global days like 350.org?) R u willing to help make-this-happen? #npdev #npptechNov 17 14:47
Diablo-D3oiaohm is trolling again?Nov 17 14:47
Ender2070yesNov 17 14:47
oiaohmThat is not trolling.Nov 17 14:47
gnufreexNo, sorry, code was decompiled. Google thought it can go around GPL by decompiling.Nov 17 14:47
Diablo-D3gnufreex: ... open source... decompiled...Nov 17 14:47
Ender2070yeah cause google goes around reverse engineering peoples softwareNov 17 14:47
*Diablo-D3 's head explodesNov 17 14:47
MinceRlolNov 17 14:47
MinceRgnufreex: url?Nov 17 14:47
Diablo-D399.9% of java in the sense of what java is can only be done one wayNov 17 14:48
MinceRi was told dalvik was based on harmony, not a decompiled openjdkNov 17 14:48
Diablo-D3the fact dalvik even exists means that .1% is pretty fucking hugeNov 17 14:48
Diablo-D3MinceR: it isNov 17 14:48
oiaohmFunny thing is the reason google says lgpl cannot be include is android the same clauses cover the kernel.Nov 17 14:48
Ender2070dalvik did come from harmony for oneNov 17 14:48
gnufreexhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/12/google_accuses_oracle_of_code_doctoring_in_android_case/Nov 17 14:48
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Diablo-D3the base class libraries come from harmonyNov 17 14:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @glynmoody a new wrinkle perhaps but in my teens (a long time ago) a friend an I built a boat from plans... no transporter here yet.Nov 17 14:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Pirate Bay, One Year After The Tracker Shut Down - http://bit.ly/cWIT1v let's play Whack-a-Tracker #torrents #piracyNov 17 14:48
Diablo-D3the dalvik jvm itself didntNov 17 14:48
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Diablo-D3the dalvik jvm works 120% differentlyNov 17 14:48
Ender2070the stuff claimed to be copied can only be done one wayNov 17 14:48
MinceRicNov 17 14:48
Diablo-D3they wrote a register vmNov 17 14:49
Diablo-D3which should be impossible for javaNov 17 14:49
Ender2070oracle is smoking crackNov 17 14:49
Diablo-D3which, also, completely fucks over oracle's patent claimsNov 17 14:49
Diablo-D3since almost all of them arent java related, but vm relatedNov 17 14:49
Diablo-D3(ie, they could sue perl or python or whoever)Nov 17 14:49
Ender2070and .NETNov 17 14:50
oiaohmThose patents have been used to sue MS over .netNov 17 14:50
oiaohmAnd MS pays.Nov 17 14:50
Diablo-D3wellNov 17 14:50
Diablo-D3.net is a special caseNov 17 14:50
Diablo-D3c# is fucking javaNov 17 14:50
Diablo-D3its javaNov 17 14:50
Diablo-D3its not a real languageNov 17 14:50
Diablo-D3its javaNov 17 14:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @zotz that hacker/maker urgeNov 17 14:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[civicrm/@civicrm] Should #CiviCRM support distributed events? (house parties, 10/10/10 events from 350.org?) R u willing to make-it-happen? #nptech #npdevNov 17 14:50
Diablo-D3its like java five and a halfNov 17 14:50
Ender2070J++Nov 17 14:50
Diablo-D3its not quite 5, its not quite 6, it doesnt have features 5 does, and it has features that just got into 7Nov 17 14:50
Diablo-D3and all the classes are named wrongNov 17 14:50
MinceRc# is the bastard child of java and visual basicNov 17 14:51
Diablo-D3MinceR: noNov 17 14:51
Diablo-D3MinceR: thats vb.netNov 17 14:51
MinceRthe class library is very vb-ish, imoNov 17 14:51
Diablo-D3noNov 17 14:51
Diablo-D3its very win32ishNov 17 14:51
MinceRespecially the capitalized methods and fieldsNov 17 14:51
gnufreexGoogle could use OpenJDK class library, and make Dalvik GPL... and Oracle lawsuit goes puff.Nov 17 14:51
Diablo-D3gnufreex: nopeNov 17 14:51
Diablo-D3because dalvik was still written from scratchNov 17 14:51
gnufreexAnd OpenJDK class library is more compliant.Nov 17 14:51
Diablo-D3we dont know if its more complaintNov 17 14:52
Diablo-D3harmony has never publically ran the jdk compliance testNov 17 14:52
gnufreexIt is real thing.Nov 17 14:52
gnufreexIt must be more compliantNov 17 14:52
Ender2070lolNov 17 14:52
Ender2070againNov 17 14:52
Diablo-D3its obviously very compliantNov 17 14:52
Diablo-D3it runs normal shitNov 17 14:52
Ender2070Oracle defines the terms of complianceNov 17 14:52
Diablo-D3I can run eclipse on harmony, for exampleNov 17 14:53
Diablo-D3and eclipse is ffffffff javaNov 17 14:53
Diablo-D3its not bad java, but holy fucking shit, a full osgi container? REALLY?Nov 17 14:53
MinceRthat's 32 ones!Nov 17 14:53
gnufreexCompliance doesn't matter if it is derivative of OpenJDK. I just said "more compliant" as a bonus.Nov 17 14:53
oiaohmeclipse runs on classpath as well that has holes that you could drive a freight train threw.Nov 17 14:53
MinceR(2^32)-1Nov 17 14:53
Diablo-D3oiaohm: gcj is not a java implNov 17 14:54
Diablo-D3I dont care what gcc claimsNov 17 14:54
Diablo-D3no vm, no javaNov 17 14:54
gnufreexGCJ is ahead of time compilerNov 17 14:54
oiaohmclasspath does not have to be used with gcjNov 17 14:54
gnufreexIt doesn't use JVMNov 17 14:54
Diablo-D3gnufreex: exactlyuNov 17 14:54
oiaohmThere is the old ibm jvm engine that will operate classpath.Nov 17 14:54
oiaohmYes I am talking old suspect and nasty and eclipse runs.Nov 17 14:54
Diablo-D3how do you expect to introspect classes, or on the fly write method signatures and call them, or runtime load classes, etcNov 17 14:55
Diablo-D3or garbage collectNov 17 14:55
Diablo-D3or runtime optimizeNov 17 14:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Idiot by design: can file pleadings via Internet AP but not grant reading access to identified collagues, need paper application #failNov 17 14:57
MinceRwith a dynamic object systemNov 17 14:57
MinceRafaik that doesn't need a VMNov 17 14:57
MinceRgarbage collection doesn't even need that, you can do it in C++Nov 17 14:57
MinceRruntime optimization does need a VM, thoughNov 17 14:57
Ender2070http://groups.google.com/group/golang-nuts/browse_thread/thread/1335ed99ad981787/8b3548a9377513f6?lnk=raot#8b3548a9377513f6Nov 17 14:57
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MinceRbut it's not so essential :>Nov 17 14:57
oiaohmhttp://www.gnu.org/software/classpath/stories.html  Really just because I say classpath I never said I was talking about using gcj.  Diablo-D3Nov 17 14:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Konqueror in !KDE 4.5: Huge Step Forward http://is.gd/hhYcwNov 17 14:58
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gnufreexClasspath is library, GCJ is compiler. It can be used separately.Nov 17 14:59
gnufreexI think GCJ might be Google's path out of this mess.Nov 17 15:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Happy Smoke Someone Out Day, !Subgenius !!Nov 17 15:00
MinceRdidn't the android devs whine about the difficulty of supporting properly compiled code on their platform?Nov 17 15:00
oiaohmNo google wants to avoid no matter what using GPL stuff gnufreexNov 17 15:01
MinceRiirc there were problems even with dynamic linkingNov 17 15:01
oiaohmBecause they say it placing to much burnd on device makers.Nov 17 15:01
MinceRtime for google to change their position, thenNov 17 15:01
gnufreexoiaohm: Yeah, even if they all get sued and extorted.Nov 17 15:01
gnufreexThat is very smart of GoogleNov 17 15:01
gnufreexThey will never learn.Nov 17 15:01
gnufreexMicrosoft will extort money until device makers give up on AndroidNov 17 15:02
gnufreexGPL forbids that.Nov 17 15:02
gnufreexSo they are shoting their footNov 17 15:02
Ender2070same with oraclesoftNov 17 15:02
MinceRi wonder when will they discover MeeGoNov 17 15:02
MinceRif everNov 17 15:02
Ender2070whos only doing this now to help AppleNov 17 15:02
gnufreexOracle is at least direct. Goes at googleNov 17 15:02
gnufreexBut Apple is like Microsoft.Nov 17 15:03
oiaohmhttp://jikesrvm.org/  The ibm experment.Nov 17 15:03
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MinceRand SCOracle is like SCONov 17 15:03
oiaohmYes java implemented fully in javaNov 17 15:03
Ender2070lolNov 17 15:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG: #AMD Fusion has ‘open-source drivers ready’ http://goo.gl/aYvqpNov 17 15:03
MinceRyo dawg, i heard you like java VMs...Nov 17 15:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] "Sorry, [Google] Calendar is temporarily unavailable. Please try again in a few minutes."Nov 17 15:05
Ender2070lol AMD promoting face tracking/tagging as a featureNov 17 15:06
Ender2070for authorities perhapsNov 17 15:06
MinceRor to choose where to autofocus in camerasNov 17 15:06
gnufreexIf Android is GPLv3 then Apple and Microsoft would have to sue unti they destroy it, and face regulators for destroying competitive technology. This way, they can extort it and make money off of it.Nov 17 15:06
MinceRafaik that's what it was forNov 17 15:06
MinceRor maybe triggering exposition with smilesNov 17 15:06
MinceR(which is kind of silly)Nov 17 15:06
gnufreexAnd then device makers give upNov 17 15:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @fabsh @gomerx Any of you remember GWAR? Now THAT was cheesy :) (the fancy dres anyway).Nov 17 15:07
gnufreexAnd Android dies anyways.Nov 17 15:07
Ender2070no it says its to tag photos with the identity of the userNov 17 15:07
MinceRoh.Nov 17 15:07
MinceRsounds like new stuffNov 17 15:07
Ender2070one of the examples is searching through a db of people for yourselfNov 17 15:07
Ender2070supercomputers used to do thatNov 17 15:07
MinceRa benign use would be not having to tag photos for people on them manuallyNov 17 15:07
MinceRin personal photo collectionsNov 17 15:08
Ender2070yes i knowNov 17 15:08
Ender2070thats the public reasonNov 17 15:08
Ender2070theres always a hidden reason for doing something like thisNov 17 15:08
Ender2070the convenience reason, and the totalitarian reasonNov 17 15:08
MinceR:>Nov 17 15:10
Ender2070people working at the fusion centers are probably salivatingNov 17 15:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Gentle Background and Introduction to MRI Tagging http://is.gd/hi0Gu quick notes on algos we invent these daysNov 17 15:10
oiaohmSpeed could be fast enough to connect to building secuirty cams.Nov 17 15:10
MinceRoften the convenience reason is obviously contrived, thoughNov 17 15:10
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Ender2070it is contrivedNov 17 15:10
Ender2070why do people need to buy a whole new cpu just to tag their facebook friends fasterNov 17 15:11
Ender2070lolNov 17 15:11
MinceRit does seem contrived, unless its targeted at mobile devicesNov 17 15:11
MinceRbut it seem it isn'tNov 17 15:11
MinceRs/its/it's/Nov 17 15:11
gnufreexEnder2070: We were talking about Go before bickering about Java :-)Nov 17 15:11
Ender2070AMD Fusion was supposed to be for mobileNov 17 15:11
MinceRs/seem/&s/Nov 17 15:11
gnufreexNo, Go have nothing with PythonNov 17 15:12
gnufreexIt is native language, no VM or interpreter.Nov 17 15:12
Ender2070now your trolling me over GO?Nov 17 15:12
Ender2070lolNov 17 15:12
oiaohmFusion is not only mobile targeted.Nov 17 15:12
Ender2070I said they used ideas from python and java tooNov 17 15:12
Ender2070easy coding, the power of CNov 17 15:13
MinceRthe lack of OOP from CNov 17 15:13
Ender2070C already had a lack of OOPNov 17 15:13
MinceRthat's why Go got it from there.Nov 17 15:13
gnufreexWell... Wikipedia says influenced by C, Limbo, Modula, Newsqeak, Oberon and PascalNov 17 15:14
Ender2070Wikipedia is wrong then because R Cox mentioned pythonNov 17 15:14
gnufreexMaybe...Nov 17 15:14
Ender2070I'll take the inventors word for itNov 17 15:15
Ender2070wikipedia suffers broken telephone sometimesNov 17 15:15
gnufreexYeah, that for sure.Nov 17 15:15
Ender2070the problem with go is that it hasnt hit a 1.0 yetNov 17 15:16
gnufreexYepNov 17 15:16
MinceRand that it aims to do too littleNov 17 15:16
oiaohmEnder2070: AMD Fusion targeted at 1U server cases needing todo some opencl.Nov 17 15:16
oiaohmas well.Nov 17 15:16
Ender2070its C with garbage collection and concurrencyNov 17 15:16
gnufreexI think Go aims excatly what it shouldc.Nov 17 15:16
gnufreexC++ is convoluted, It can never replace CNov 17 15:17
gnufreexGo canNov 17 15:17
Ender2070someone is even building an OS with GoNov 17 15:17
gnufreexBut I maybe nothing can replace C.Nov 17 15:17
gnufreexC is great.Nov 17 15:17
MinceRC++ can replace C, since it can compile C code with a few modificationsNov 17 15:17
Ender2070the same people wanted to maintain the Go fedora packagesNov 17 15:17
Ender2070which is how I found outNov 17 15:17
cubezzzyeah I think I'll stick with CNov 17 15:17
Ender2070a Go based OS would be interestingNov 17 15:17
MinceRi'll stick with C++ and Python for the most partNov 17 15:18
gnufreexMinceR: I was talking about funcionality, when you convert C to C++ project will hit a roadblock.Nov 17 15:18
gnufreexC++ is to easy to screw up.Nov 17 15:18
oiaohmMinceR:  C++ still gets messy if you are using the most recent C standard.Nov 17 15:18
Ender2070What if Go starts to catch on like wildfireNov 17 15:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Dustin Kirkland: !Byobu positive press (including one from #Fedora) http://goo.gl/CJ4P4Nov 17 15:18
MinceRC++ has all the functionality C has, and more.Nov 17 15:18
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Ender2070 its funny some people even disable the garbage collection in GoNov 17 15:19
gnufreexMinceR: That is the problem.Nov 17 15:19
Ender2070to plug in their own or just not use oneNov 17 15:19
gnufreexIt is bloated.Nov 17 15:19
MinceRi don't see any problem with itNov 17 15:19
Ender2070Go is pretty modularNov 17 15:19
MinceRno, it isn't bloated, the programmer's knowledge of it is insufficient.Nov 17 15:19
Ender2070the docs are open tooNov 17 15:19
Ender2070GCC-Go is on its wayNov 17 15:19
gnufreexInelegant, complicated... that is C++Nov 17 15:20
MinceRthe "C++ is bloated" thinking leads to disasters like java 4 and earlier and c#Nov 17 15:20
gnufreexRead Linus Torvalds rants on C++Nov 17 15:20
MinceRi don't care about linus' rants on c++Nov 17 15:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @mohanpram Fox is fair and balanced http://i.imgur.com/779Vw.jpg (via @reddit)Nov 17 15:20
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Ender2070nothing wrong with C++ thoughNov 17 15:20
Ender2070I like it stillNov 17 15:20
Ender2070im just thinking Go has potential and im keeping my eye on it.Nov 17 15:20
Ender2070GCC moved to C++ didn't it?Nov 17 15:20
oiaohmInternally GCC is still CNov 17 15:21
gnufreexEnder2070: Hell noNov 17 15:21
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gnufreexThey only alowed to write plugins in C++Nov 17 15:21
oiaohmYet plugins can be done in C just as simply.Nov 17 15:21
Ender2070I thought a migration was underwayNov 17 15:21
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gnufreexSo LLVM fans can have their draggon eggs.Nov 17 15:21
oiaohmThinking it a C interface explosed.Nov 17 15:21
oiaohmEnder2070:  The core engine of gcc has more support for C++ structs yes.  But the engine is still CNov 17 15:23
Ender2070interestingNov 17 15:23
oiaohmHeck the core engine now support directly brewing C++ C Java and other languages at once.Nov 17 15:23
oiaohmSince after the frount end of a language is finished to the middle processing everything is basically the same.Nov 17 15:24
gnufreexI would like to see Ada used more. It is exact opposite of C++Nov 17 15:24
MinceRyes, with pascalismsNov 17 15:25
MinceRewNov 17 15:25
gnufreexIt is also compicated, but you can't write wrong code in Ada.Nov 17 15:25
cubezzzapl ftw :)Nov 17 15:25
MinceRi'm glad i'm rid of pascalNov 17 15:25
MinceRgnufreex: i don't think soNov 17 15:25
MinceRi can write wrong code anywhere.Nov 17 15:26
gnufreexAda is not so much like Pascal.Nov 17 15:26
MinceRit's too much like pascalNov 17 15:26
gnufreexMinceR: Ada is designed for making mision critical stuff.Nov 17 15:26
gnufreexIt is harder to writte bad codeNov 17 15:26
cubezzzhmmmNov 17 15:26
oiaohmAda is one of the oldest languages still in use.Nov 17 15:27
Ender2070mission critical stuff is written in every languageNov 17 15:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @mohanpram This shirt really is a good one! http://ur1.ca/2d2qc #donttouchmyjunk // context: http://is.gd/hbSymNov 17 15:27
Ender2070it depends on the goalNov 17 15:27
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cubezzzada isn't that oldNov 17 15:27
gnufreexIt is younger than C, I thinkNov 17 15:27
cubezzzyesNov 17 15:27
gnufreexIt is standardzed on GNAT in 1995Nov 17 15:27
MinceRgnufreex: it still has all the bondage-and-discipline approach, afaikNov 17 15:27
Ender2070porno scannersNov 17 15:27
Ender2070lolNov 17 15:27
cubezzzI see mostly C and C++ reallyNov 17 15:28
Ender2070yet another reason im never flyingNov 17 15:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody HBase is proprietaryNov 17 15:28
oiaohmAge of ada is not 100 percent exactly known.Nov 17 15:29
cubezzzI think most of the LGP stuff was C++Nov 17 15:29
oiaohmWe know it become fully formal in 1983Nov 17 15:29
gnufreexoiaohm: wut?Nov 17 15:29
gnufreexAda was mandated by US DoDNov 17 15:30
gnufreexIt has to be knownNov 17 15:30
gnufreexIt was used in friken tanksNov 17 15:30
oiaohmBut its one out of a batch of 450 langs USA mil developed from 1975Nov 17 15:30
MinceRand yet it's still based on pascalNov 17 15:30
oiaohmIe ada was developed somewhere between 1975 and 1983Nov 17 15:30
cubezzzmost old C code without graphics will still work... e.g. stuff from the early 1990sNov 17 15:30
gnufreexNo, mandate was in 1990sNov 17 15:30
MinceRwhich was not designed for practical useNov 17 15:30
cubezzzC with some flexNov 17 15:30
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cubezzzonce you start getting into gui's and fonts and stuff all bets are offNov 17 15:31
cubezzzsometimes I get the feeling oiaohm is IRCing from work :)Nov 17 15:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @schestowitz don't think so: http://bit.ly/cvanJHNov 17 15:32
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Ender2070I start work next mondayNov 17 15:32
schestowitz"There is more -- much more -- to Scribus then I have indicated here." --Byfield  /s/then/than/Nov 17 15:32
schestowitzEnder2070: gratzNov 17 15:32
Ender2070tyNov 17 15:32
MinceRi care about byfield much less than i have indicated hereNov 17 15:33
Ender2070my new job, my salary is higher than the boss of my old jobNov 17 15:33
Ender2070:DNov 17 15:33
schestowitzhe is a "journalist"Nov 17 15:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] US Scientists Significantly More Likely to Publish Fake Research, Study Finds http://is.gd/hi4UhNov 17 15:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: US scientists significantly more likely to publish fake research, study finds .::. Size~: 45.31 KBNov 17 15:33
schestowitzSo his opinions weight much more than yoursNov 17 15:33
schestowitz*weighNov 17 15:34
cubezzznot reallyNov 17 15:34
schestowitzI am being sarcasticNov 17 15:34
cubezzzah :)Nov 17 15:34
Ender2070i could tell ;)Nov 17 15:34
Ender2070my new job is going to be giving me a blackberryNov 17 15:35
cubezzzanyway opinions are just that... opinionsNov 17 15:36
cubezzzso whoever has the biggest megaphone "wins"Nov 17 15:36
Ender2070anyone know some decent blackberry appsNov 17 15:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody aha! ThanksNov 17 15:37
cubezzzmainstream news is very bad for tech newsNov 17 15:37
cubezzzon local news they will actually push MacNov 17 15:37
Ender2070my school used to push mac and windowsNov 17 15:38
Ender2070my teacher was an ms fanboy, and an iphone fanboyNov 17 15:38
Ender2070so anyway, having this new job is going to be a benefit to my siteNov 17 15:39
Ender2070ill have money to put into a few side projectsNov 17 15:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Installing KDE. Because I need Krita. I'm onto the "bargaining" stage...Nov 17 15:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody it has some Microsoft connections now, just like #fb http://is.gd/hi6sE #powersetNov 17 15:40
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Ender2070at the same time, less timeNov 17 15:40
Ender2070we'll see how it goesNov 17 15:40
Ender2070im still doing a podcast soon thoughNov 17 15:40
Ender2070I need to draw more users to my siteNov 17 15:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Internet Society Reconfirms Support for W3C Open Web Platform with Donation http://ow.ly/1a1nLsNov 17 15:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @schestowitz yes, but as you know, the MS tentacles are everywhere these days; main thing is is free softwareNov 17 15:42
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Ender2070I got noise cancelation to workNov 17 15:42
Ender2070with audacityNov 17 15:42
Ender2070youtube has videos on i tNov 17 15:43
Ender2070it was easyNov 17 15:43
schestowitzDebian Women IRC Training Sessions begins http://is.gd/hi5QhNov 17 15:43
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Ender2070cubezzz  i listened to your podcastNov 17 15:43
Ender2070i have recommendations for youNov 17 15:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] @schestowitz I noticed that you RT'd @jonobacon 's plane message, I find it great, and I nearly RT'd it before you. #openrespectNov 17 15:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Aha, finally booked tickets of Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows Part1 for friday evening :) Bah, #chromium fails to print the ticket :PNov 17 15:43
Ender2070rss, podcastalley and podcast pickleNov 17 15:43
schestowitzcubezzz's cast is brilliantNov 17 15:44
schestowitzPacked with infoNov 17 15:44
Ender2070if you want to save space, go mono, and go 22 KhzNov 17 15:44
gnufreexWhat? Mono?Nov 17 15:44
Ender2070mono soundNov 17 15:44
gnufreexAhaNov 17 15:44
Ender2070not mono languageNov 17 15:44
gnufreexGo onNov 17 15:44
gnufreexSorry.Nov 17 15:44
Ender2070lolNov 17 15:44
cubezzzhmmm? oh thanks very much :)Nov 17 15:44
cubezzzI wasn't sure anyone was listeningNov 17 15:45
Ender2070your mic is awesome qualityNov 17 15:45
Ender2070I heard the guy on podcastanswerman talk about that oneNov 17 15:45
gnufreexI didn't know that de Icaza is making sounds now :-)Nov 17 15:45
Ender2070lolNov 17 15:46
*schestowitz links to pwnage and maxhost eps when they come outNov 17 15:46
Ender2070if a bunch of us do podcasts, it might be worth making a dedicated foss podcast siteNov 17 15:46
schestowitzgnufreex: he doesNov 17 15:46
schestowitzBut after eating stufNov 17 15:46
gnufreexlolNov 17 15:47
Ender2070he only makes monkey noises tooNov 17 15:47
schestowitzAnimals do tooNov 17 15:47
Ender2070actuallyNov 17 15:47
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UiY6OguolJoNov 17 15:48
Ender2070i might plan out my next few episodes this week while I have timeNov 17 15:48
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Ender2070schestowitz - did you figure out noise removal? i didNov 17 15:48
gnufreexlolNov 17 15:48
schestowitzEnder2070: yeahNov 17 15:48
gnufreexThat video is funnyNov 17 15:48
schestowitzhttp://www.linkedlistcorruption.com/audio-kbase/?p=243Nov 17 15:49
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schestowitznew linkNov 17 15:49
gnufreexIt is like SUSE lizzardNov 17 15:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] http://illegal-art.net/shop/#news50 - New #girltalk album is too awesome! !cc - Buy the album or just download it nowNov 17 15:50
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Ender2070good articleNov 17 15:51
Ender2070anything fedora 14 is +1Nov 17 15:51
Ender2070did you get my message about Fusion  Linux though?Nov 17 15:51
Ender2070turns out its running monoNov 17 15:51
Ender2070however, a lot of people asked him for his kickstart fileNov 17 15:52
Ender2070you can use the kickstart file to automate your own version and just remove software from the kickstart fileNov 17 15:52
Ender2070its as simple as putting a minus sign in front of tomboy and f-spot in the listNov 17 15:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @glynmoody speaking of tentacles, watch http://is.gd/hi8Vl under 6C: "Jonathan Zuck" #microsoft #lobbyists from @actonlineNov 17 15:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] A "clarification" from Fedora on the SQLNinja decision http://lwn.net/Articles/415853/rssNov 17 15:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @qtbynokia: The Qt Blog - KDAB and Partners Build KDE-based Mobile App Suite Using Qt 4.7 http://ow.ly/1a193CNov 17 15:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] !NaNoWriMo wordcount at 36,300 http://baldynovel.blogspot.com/Nov 17 15:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] I am listening to the !techbytes pilot :)Nov 17 15:57
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Ender2070totally forgot what today isNov 17 15:57
Ender2070its my birthdayNov 17 15:57
sebsebsebEnder2070: Ok Happy Birthday, how old?Nov 17 15:59
Ender207026Nov 17 15:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Gnome Shell Overview-Relayout Branch Gets Polished http://bit.ly/cZi8WvNov 17 16:00
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sebsebsebschestowitz: How long is the pilt meant to be, the OGG on site seems to cut off the endNov 17 16:01
sebsebsebpilot aboveNov 17 16:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] @schestowitz why are TR's blogs so anti-GPL? random example http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=1901Nov 17 16:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ender2070/@ender2070] @agentsmith You probably can't. Grab the source rpm and go from there instead.Nov 17 16:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @ender2070 No lucky, could never compile anything by hand. Always something is missing. But, there should be a way.Nov 17 16:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] trying out #hotot. UI is real niceNov 17 16:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] @sebsebseb why the pilot? Best ep so far was the last one!!Nov 17 16:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ender2070/@ender2070] @agentsmith If something is missing it's usually an obscure library that needs to be installed. Hints are in the .spec file.Nov 17 16:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @ender2070 To convert between RPM's. The libs R the same, just the name changes (I hate this with passion) Deb's convert fine thoughNov 17 16:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ender2070/@ender2070] @agentsmith Look at the dependencies for what is missingNov 17 16:05
Ender2070sebsebseb vlc ?Nov 17 16:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ender2070/@ender2070] @agentsmith Debs convert fine because all the deb distros came from debian. RPM distros dont have the same source.Nov 17 16:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[charlesschulz/@charlesschulz] ♻ @jwildeboer #OpenData that is not made available using #OpenStandards simply isn't #Opendata.Nov 17 16:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] We added #flattr micropayments as a way to support #validators http://ping.fm/1NHxh #flattr us so we can do more!Nov 17 16:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @ender2070 It's disappoint when one gets to rpm.pbone and pass the dependency tests and the package doesn't install. (...)Nov 17 16:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ender2070/@ender2070] @agentsmith - if !Fedora has the package, why not just use Fedora? It's a great distro. Lots of support and packages.Nov 17 16:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @ender2070 You know you have all the libs and stuff, yet, the names R different, so, it doesn't advance, and, you can't get the programNov 17 16:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] got labs to complete and quizzes to take online. better get to itNov 17 16:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @charlesschulz: ♻ @jwildeboer #OpenData that is not made available using #OpenStandards simply isn't #Opendata.<reasonable generalizationNov 17 16:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @ender2070 To run in your system.Nov 17 16:13
schestowitzsebsebseb: I can't remember how long it was, does the page not say?Nov 17 16:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] What's Going On With Iveland & OpenBenchmarking.org: Last month I said what OpenBenchmarking.org is and how it s... http://bit.ly/9BR4xsNov 17 16:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @ender2070 Actually I'm considering Fedora or Arch Linux. Got fed up with absent packages and dependenciesNov 17 16:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @qu1j0t3 wow! I saw that exact same anti-GPL sentence yesterday; didn't think others would see it. http://is.gd/hidiYNov 17 16:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @royhugo: US Scientists Significantly More Likely to Publish Fake Research, Study Finds http://is.gd/hi4Uh <and the study is also fake ;-)Nov 17 16:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ender2070/@ender2070] @agentsmith You should consider Fedora. At least you know it has the package you want.Nov 17 16:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @qu1j0t3 @schestowitz why are TR's blogs so anti-GPL? random example http://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/opensource/?p=1901 !fsf !gpl #gplv3Nov 17 16:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @ender2070 Yup, and the uid and gid of my /home would work nice(in debian, they would not work)Nov 17 16:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Did I mention the Mimi and Eunice book? - http://is.gd/hieiENov 17 16:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] "fakes were > likely to appear in [pubs] with a high impact factor" http://ur1.ca/2d9yn or is it "are >likely to be exposed" there?Nov 17 16:22
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sebsebsebschestowitz: uh you'll see what I am on about, why I ask that, soon on identica :DNov 17 16:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] UK Government still doesn't understand the Internet, wants to close down innovation in favour of monopolies - http://is.gd/hif2HNov 17 16:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] My old presentation from 1997 about the future of the Internet. 13 yrs later, some of it is quite accurate :) http://tinyurl.com/35q25g4 #fbNov 17 16:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] #lazyweb I seem to remember a licence/eula update comparison (diff) site, anyone got a link?Nov 17 16:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] On way home from work......busy day.Nov 17 16:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @mathias Did IE9 cheat in the SunSpider JavaScript benchmark? http://mths.be/aooNov 17 16:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Rich people (who own the country) make new rules to dehumanise http://is.gd/hifwZ #sharing #guiltybydefault #mafiaaNov 17 16:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @openbytes got half an hour to record?Nov 17 16:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Is Pirate Bay going to the movies too ? The real social network. http://ur1.ca/2da1mNov 17 16:30
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schestowitz"Their points on screen are largely valid, though..." http://identi.ca/conversation/58237613#notice-58789701Nov 17 16:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fedora/@fedora] "Cloud and Virtualization Features Set Fedora 14 Apart" - @pcworld http://ur1.ca/2cd7oNov 17 16:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johndrinkwater/@johndrinkwater] fair play to Sony ‐ http://us.playstation.com/support/useragreements/PSN-termsofservice-changes/index.htm #psn #tos #diffNov 17 16:33
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schestowitz[14:17] <gnufreex> OpenJDK works on MeGoo, I think.Nov 17 16:33
schestowitz /me goo gleNov 17 16:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] "'Jesuit priest' forger has fooled US museums for more than 20 years" - http://is.gd/hihbUNov 17 16:35
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gnufreexschestowitz: I have seen it working on Maemo and N900. Not sure if it is ported on MeeGo yet.Nov 17 16:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @qu1j0t3 It was not only that post. Other [TechRepublic] posts had anti-GPL stuff too. //not surprising. Editors pro-Windows/ZDNetNov 17 16:37
cubezzzat least academia isn't anti-GPL (I think)Nov 17 16:39
cubezzzmostly people share knowledgeNov 17 16:39
schestowitzworks betterNov 17 16:39
schestowitz[14:47] * Diablo-D3 's head explodesNov 17 16:41
schestowitzStand steady, we'll get you another oneNov 17 16:41
schestowitzIs it a Philips one?Nov 17 16:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] @openbytes That one, because I hadn't listened to any before. I found it ok. Cuts off on @schestowitz website so had to download for end.Nov 17 16:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @techmeerkat: Google strikes deal to scan French books http://bit.ly/bdaY3Y #copyright #law #FranceNov 17 16:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] An OpenSSL race condition http://lwn.net/Articles/415866/rssNov 17 16:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] I have such an awesome team. Horsemen: you rock. :-) #ubuntuNov 17 16:48
schestowitzsebsebseb: the server does not support RESUMENov 17 16:51
schestowitzso you can't download from middle of file, e.g. if it streams under turbulence. oiaohm warned about this. THe cache makes it hard to get pastNov 17 16:52
schestowitzIn non-cached requests we had over 6000 in the past 3 days \0/Nov 17 16:53
schestowitzTwice last week's paceNov 17 16:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Great to see @ubuntul10n starting to tweet about awesome translations work - do follow him! #ubuntu #locoteamsNov 17 16:53
gnufreexI just now seeing how much Jono got blasted over OpenRespect.orgNov 17 16:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @mgeist RT @jamie_love The "final" ACTA text not really final text. US says substantive review underway. Signing "could be months away"Nov 17 16:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] RT @jonobacon Wondering if I need to hire a plane to draw "OpenRespect is not an Ubuntu/Canonical project" in the skyNov 17 16:57
schestowitzme: '[C]raze just keeps on coming from Florian Mueller: "Linux is all about proprietary extensions..."' -- @gnufreex - #mobbyists ☛ hate !linux ☛Nov 17 16:57
sebsebsebschestowitz: oh right yeah,  I did pause it whenever it was, is that what your on about?Nov 17 16:57
schestowitzgnufreex: I don't think jono deserves this treatmentNov 17 16:57
schestowitzBut he got his behind handed to him by complaining about others, better would be to avoid itNov 17 16:58
sebsebsebschestowitz: same here, jono didn't really deserve most of thatNov 17 16:58
schestowitzSometimes it's better to be passive, e.g. when trolledNov 17 16:58
schestowitzjono: also, in COLA, I don't think you should have responded to a troll threadNov 17 16:58
Ender2070Jesus said something about thatNov 17 16:59
schestowitzYou think you'll correct it, but trolls have bigger numbers than youNov 17 16:59
gnufreexI think jono probably didn't deserve. But Canonical did.Nov 17 16:59
schestowitzEnder2070: Jesus existed for sure?Nov 17 16:59
Ender2070yeahNov 17 17:00
Ender2070shroud of turinNov 17 17:00
gnufreexWhat Jesus said about open source?Nov 17 17:00
sebsebsebgnufreex: Why do you think that?Nov 17 17:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Can You Feel the Tension? - http://bit.ly/b0Qwca EC & EPO want to explore "tensions" between ICT standards and patents: isn't it decided?Nov 17 17:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] No website blacklists, no Internet censorship! https://eff.org/r.4uq #COICANov 17 17:00
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schestowitzgnufreex: Jesus would download Ubuntu CE :_)Nov 17 17:00
schestowitzWhatOSJesusWouldUse...Nov 17 17:00
jonoschestowitz yeah I am not participating in COLA again - it is a shame, I used to love that groupNov 17 17:01
sebsebsebschestowitz: whats COLA?Nov 17 17:01
Ender2070its a type of soda popNov 17 17:01
sebsebsebother than COCA COLA of course :DNov 17 17:01
schestowitzhttp://www.linux.com/archive/feed/57358Nov 17 17:01
gnufreexsebsebseb: They have been pretty disrespectful from the start.Nov 17 17:01
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schestowitzPreloaded with adawareNov 17 17:01
schestowitzadwareNov 17 17:01
sebsebsebgnufreex: Why do you think that?Nov 17 17:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] Anyone who says other people are wrong is wrong. #apparentlyNov 17 17:02
schestowitzhttp://digg.com/news/technology/Jesus_Linux_Ubuntu_Christian_EditionNov 17 17:02
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sebsebsebon the subject of COCA COLA and well junk food, the latest Panorama was quite good reallyNov 17 17:02
schestowitzNot *that* colaNov 17 17:03
gnufreexsebsebseb: Read Shuttlewort blog sometimes. He knows how to shame others, but never admits mistake.Nov 17 17:03
schestowitzComp.OS.Linux.ADVOCACYNov 17 17:03
Ender2070alex jones liveNov 17 17:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] google doesn't work without your data. if movie stars and music artists get royalties, why don't we?Nov 17 17:03
Ender2070lolololNov 17 17:03
sebsebsebschestowitz: yes I know, you mean cola as in something techNov 17 17:03
sebsebsebschestowitz: some kind of group of some sort of indeitca or twtter or somethingNov 17 17:04
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aygXdCsYO5s&feature=relatedNov 17 17:04
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gnufreexAlso, Ubuntu is growing more hostile to software freedom, with attracting anti-Freedom trolls by distributing mono, and giving them platform on UF.Nov 17 17:04
schestowitzHere's Jones going nuts: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0APTn1EPg9E&feature=relatedNov 17 17:05
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sebsebsebgnufreex: platform on Ubuntu Forums? What do you mean?Nov 17 17:05
Ender2070AJ always goes nutsNov 17 17:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Excited to announce that the Miraverse is doubling all gifts to CC of $5-500! No amount is too small http://bit.ly/bgwvreNov 17 17:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[robmyers/@robmyers] ♺ @mairin: google doesn't work without your data. if movie stars and music artists get royalties, why don't we?Nov 17 17:05
schestowitzHe doesn't go nutsNov 17 17:05
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schestowitzhe *is* nutsNov 17 17:05
gnufreexPlatform for trolling and shilling. sebsebsebNov 17 17:05
schestowitzhe harms his message with his attitudeNov 17 17:05
schestowitzHe could take a lesson from RMS, which is calmNov 17 17:05
Ender2070hes from texas thoughNov 17 17:06
schestowitzIt's not an excuse :-)Nov 17 17:06
schestowitzIt doesn't make him disabledNov 17 17:06
Ender2070texans have a piping hot attitudeNov 17 17:06
schestowitzWordPress creator Matt Mullenwegis from TexasNov 17 17:06
Ender2070plus he is a bit of a cristianNov 17 17:07
Ender2070christian*Nov 17 17:07
schestowitzAls no excuseNov 17 17:07
schestowitzTo be angryNov 17 17:07
Ender2070theres plenty of reason to be angryNov 17 17:07
schestowitzI am super calmNov 17 17:07
schestowitzNever shouting or raising voice, never cryingNov 17 17:07
Ender2070yeahNov 17 17:08
Ender2070you're well medicatedNov 17 17:08
Ender2070:PNov 17 17:08
schestowitzI just spoke about it with someone a few days agoNov 17 17:08
schestowitzEnder2070: tea is not medicine :-)Nov 17 17:08
Ender2070you're in the UK?Nov 17 17:08
schestowitzThat's nothing to do with geoNov 17 17:08
schestowitzBut polite people are in central EuropeNov 17 17:09
schestowitzLike Germans evenNov 17 17:09
Ender2070you're in one of the countries that poisons peopleNov 17 17:09
schestowitzBrits shout sometimesNov 17 17:09
Ender2070do you guys use flouride yet?Nov 17 17:09
schestowitzin water?Nov 17 17:09
Ender2070yesNov 17 17:09
schestowitzdo *you*?Nov 17 17:09
Ender2070yesNov 17 17:09
schestowitzWe have cyanideNov 17 17:09
schestowitzSo do youNov 17 17:09
schestowitzand chlorineNov 17 17:09
Ender2070chlorineNov 17 17:09
schestowitzGlobal issueNov 17 17:09
Ender2070theres also the geoengineeringNov 17 17:10
schestowitzgets worse over time with more water cyclesNov 17 17:10
schestowitzBP gave us some dispersements too nowNov 17 17:10
Ender2070in each glass of water here, is a drop of toothpasteNov 17 17:10
schestowitzIt's airborne they say.... goes with rainNov 17 17:10
Ender2070airborne aluminum is from geoengineeringNov 17 17:11
Ender2070its not flourideNov 17 17:11
Ender2070actually theres both im assumingNov 17 17:11
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schestowitzdispersents I meantNov 17 17:11
Ender2070never thought about flouride in the rainNov 17 17:11
sebsebsebwelcome back abeNd-orgNov 17 17:11
schestowitzThe spellchecker changed itNov 17 17:11
Ender2070i dont think a metal would evaporate back into the clouds with waterNov 17 17:11
schestowitzhow is flouride processed?Nov 17 17:12
*schestowitz hits the wikiNov 17 17:12
Ender2070but the geoengineering projects are putting aluminum and barium aerosols into the atmosphereNov 17 17:12
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:USDA_Mineral_Flourite_93c3962.jpgNov 17 17:12
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Ender2070david keith from the U of Calgary suggested putting 10-20 megatonnes of aluminum in the atmosphere for global warmingNov 17 17:13
Ender2070seems its already being doneNov 17 17:13
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Halothane2.pngNov 17 17:13
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schestowitzIt's just a F element!Nov 17 17:13
Ender2070aluminum oxides can clog arteries tooNov 17 17:13
schestowitzEnder2070:dimming?Nov 17 17:13
schestowitzgood for insurance companies thenNov 17 17:14
schestowitzLess pension to payNov 17 17:14
schestowitzNINov 17 17:14
Ender2070yeah but the particles are supposed to block some of the sunNov 17 17:14
Ender2070however the stuff falls down from the sky tooNov 17 17:14
Ender2070now that the evidence is coming out, they spin it for global warming protectionNov 17 17:15
Ender2070flouride in the water increases your absorbtion of aluminumNov 17 17:16
Ender2070alzheimers has skyrockettedNov 17 17:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] #redhatrocks for a lot of reasons.Nov 17 17:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @bsookman: The Canadian government appeals the Amazon.com decision regarding the patentability of business methods.Nov 17 17:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @mairin google doesn't work without your data. if movie stars and music artists get royalties, why don't we?Nov 17 17:17
Ender2070monsanto is making aluminum resistent seeds nowNov 17 17:17
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schestowitzEnder2070: dimming leads to warming, over timeNov 17 17:18
schestowitzWe mess up with lots of stuffNov 17 17:18
Ender2070yeahNov 17 17:18
schestowitzalso health issuesNov 17 17:19
schestowitzNot just water levekNov 17 17:19
Ender2070well theres too many peopleNov 17 17:19
schestowitzBut our medical knowledge improvesNov 17 17:19
schestowitzNow we can provide and make money from poison we also put everywhereNov 17 17:19
Ender2070if theres too many people it doesnt matter if your methods are harmfulNov 17 17:19
Ender2070plus they have seed vaults for humanity, a backupNov 17 17:19
schestowitzYou anti babies man!!Nov 17 17:20
sebsebsebschestowitz: _Goblin  I don't use skype personally here, but other people here have,  maybe I can do something for Mageia Alpha 1 for Tech BytesNov 17 17:20
Ender2070you could nuke the entire planet and still be able to rebuild humanityNov 17 17:20
schestowitzthe Alex Jones idiocy...Nov 17 17:20
Ender2070and all the animalsNov 17 17:20
Ender2070and plantsNov 17 17:20
schestowitzAnd anti-abortion dronesNov 17 17:20
schestowitzWho are manipulated by people who pretend they speak to SKYDaddy();Nov 17 17:20
schestowitzThey label populists as some sort of Hitlers, for saying there's too many of us and energy runs outNov 17 17:21
Ender2070AJ just tries to make lots of moneyNov 17 17:21
schestowitzsebsebseb: of course!Nov 17 17:21
Ender2070scaring people into buying all his movies, full of public info you can find for freeNov 17 17:21
schestowitzEnder2070: promoting quacks in the sidebarNov 17 17:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] ♺ @mairin google doesn't work without your data. if movie stars and music artists get royalties, why don't we? | we should ask RIAA :-)Nov 17 17:22
schestowitzall that water filter junk and other such placebowareNov 17 17:22
Ender2070thats what I mean yeahNov 17 17:22
sebsebsebschestowitz: really got to use Skype though,  we have a good thing for VOIP here :)Nov 17 17:22
Ender2070scare into buying productsNov 17 17:22
Ender2070actually all you need is ANY water filterNov 17 17:22
Ender2070you dont need some tinfoil hat wearing oneNov 17 17:22
schestowitzsebsebseb: don't know how else to recordNov 17 17:22
Ender2070almost all of them filter out flourideNov 17 17:23
schestowitzOur phone lines don't do in/out rec, not with wiring... just hanging micsNov 17 17:23
schestowitzEnder2070: depends whereNov 17 17:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] IMO most established !FaiF programs have excellent UIs,but I agree they're tuned for type of user I am. Reply to @tieguy blog: ur1.ca/2dadsNov 17 17:23
schestowitzCanada must have good waterNov 17 17:23
sebsebsebschestowitz: well the plan is to go PC Linux OS soon,  uhmm Skype can be a pain to set up in Linux distros,  my Vista install sound doesn't work right now,  unless I can find the driver, but  got another computer with XP here anyyway, that I could do Skype with, and thats also got MandrivaNov 17 17:23
Ender2070nah the water sucks unless you filter out the toxinsNov 17 17:24
schestowitzLots of mountains with snow+thawingNov 17 17:24
Ender2070ROFLNov 17 17:24
schestowitzNone of that nearby factories and underground burial of junkNov 17 17:24
Ender2070maybe in BCNov 17 17:24
schestowitzWhen I was in Turkey we were told in advance only to drink bottled waterNov 17 17:24
Ender2070not too much mountain water in ontarioNov 17 17:24
sebsebsebschestowitz: we can phone any land line,  in UK or pretty much, and quite a lot of other counteries, for free with the VOIP thing thats used hereNov 17 17:25
schestowitzEnder2070: maybe it rises from junk yards in DetroitNov 17 17:25
Ender2070only bottled water I drink is dasaniNov 17 17:25
Ender2070its reverse osmosisNov 17 17:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @jonobacon Wondering if I need to hire a plane to draw "OpenRespect is not an Ubuntu/Canonical project" in the skyNov 17 17:25
sebsebseb_Goblin: you done it now as well :D ^Nov 17 17:25
Ender2070they have to remineralize it, and theres no flourideNov 17 17:26
Ender2070i do all these things and as a result my memory is intactNov 17 17:26
Ender2070plus i'm healthyNov 17 17:26
Ender2070the only thing I can't do anything about is the airNov 17 17:27
Ender2070unless I go darth vaderNov 17 17:27
Ender2070use the force luke....Nov 17 17:27
sebsebsebschestowitz: _Goblin Then again maybe not really a good idea, since I currently tend to suck at phone callsNov 17 17:28
*sebsebseb is a text person :DNov 17 17:28
_Goblin:)Nov 17 17:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Simple user-space tracing http://lwn.net/Articles/415878/rssNov 17 17:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] this lab is mad long man.Nov 17 17:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @webmink Open Response from Oracle to Apache: http://bit.ly/dgwNIn [Note the invocation of FRAND]Nov 17 17:28
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sebsebsebschestowitz: _Goblin and can probably get someone proper from  the Mageia community anyway,  if asking them about thatNov 17 17:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Fire up your clients for tonight's !FSFE jabber meeting on #FreeSoftware in #education http://ur1.ca/2daeu starting 8pm UTC+1Nov 17 17:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft open sources Open data .NET, Silverlight, and Windows Phone 7 client libraries (MSDN Blogs) http://bit.ly/d8J6KINov 17 17:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richardsmedley/@richardsmedley] Wonderful tea just makes up for dark, cold, wet, dirty hour of unscheduled car repair: improvised part failed, will have to order proper oneNov 17 17:32
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sebsebseb_Goblin: schestowitz  Its quite fun listening to the voices in a way,  altough schestowitz doesn't sound so good on there :DNov 17 17:32
sebsebseband _Goblin you sound very British :DNov 17 17:32
_Goblinits a mic issueNov 17 17:33
_GoblinlolNov 17 17:33
Ender2070_Goblin - how come you wear a cowboy hatNov 17 17:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Vaizey's speech dumping Net neutrality - http://bit.ly/b90XO5 nice he says "open" so often; pity he doesn't mean it #netneutrality #ukNov 17 17:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] CDOs: How Self-Dealing Banks Destroyed the Economy [IMG] http://is.gd/hisj0Nov 17 17:33
_GoblinI'll mention that in the next show!Nov 17 17:33
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_Goblinhides my identity.Nov 17 17:34
Ender2070even from CCTV?Nov 17 17:34
Ender2070Now I know why you're not worried :)Nov 17 17:34
Ender2070lolNov 17 17:34
_GoblinlolNov 17 17:34
_Goblin:)Nov 17 17:34
Ender2070"Hey it's that Texan again" "Hes no threat"Nov 17 17:34
sebsebsebEpisode 1 sounds a bit boring or maybe thats just since I am listening to this soon after the pilotNov 17 17:35
Ender2070sebsebseb :(Nov 17 17:35
sebsebsebEnder2070: yeah your in that one aren't you?Nov 17 17:35
Ender2070im in that oneNov 17 17:35
sebsebsebEnder2070: well I haven't got to that yetNov 17 17:35
Ender2070ahh okNov 17 17:35
_Goblinyeah...go for the latest ep....Nov 17 17:35
_Goblinyou have to remember its a learning process for both of us....Nov 17 17:36
sebsebseb_Goblin: nah I am catching upNov 17 17:36
sebsebseb_Goblin: i'll listen to them all, even though I don't tend to like stuff like thisNov 17 17:36
sebsebsebI would rather listen to music on my computer than these kind of things :)Nov 17 17:36
_GoblinI thought he was listening to the pilotNov 17 17:36
Ender2070nah episode 1Nov 17 17:36
sebsebseb_Goblin: I was, but that finnished a while agoNov 17 17:36
sebsebseb_Goblin: then a brake, and doing episode 1Nov 17 17:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[stevenrosenberg/@stevenrosenberg] How do I feel about Unity and Wayland in Ubuntu? http://ht.ly/1a1uzhNov 17 17:37
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_GoblinahNov 17 17:37
Ender2070im behind in the showNov 17 17:38
Ender2070so many episodes nowNov 17 17:39
sebsebsebEnder2070: I am behind and I am doing in order as wellNov 17 17:39
Ender2070i think its more often than once a weekNov 17 17:39
sebsebsebI am behind on UDS videos as well, I mean I  have like had Shuttleworths keynote open, but still not watched it properlyNov 17 17:39
sebsebsebEnder2070: yes I think they are doing pretty much daily nowNov 17 17:40
_Goblinschestowitz: Im going to have some dinner, do some stuff and I'll be back in a bit......got some topics...including some great little gems of software.....Nov 17 17:41
schestowitzsebsebseb: in episode 6 onwards we do noise cancellation betterNov 17 17:41
schestowitzThe sound should be better. Pilot was a mess recording-wiseNov 17 17:41
schestowitz_Goblin: got 6300 downloads (non-caches) since SundayNov 17 17:42
schestowitz*chedNov 17 17:42
sebsebsebschestowitz: how does it work, is it a three way phone call on Skype or something, so when its time for someone else to chat such as guest speaker, they just do or what?Nov 17 17:42
schestowitzNot sure how many get cached or downloaded from your site's mirror, but the number doubled wrt last week and it shows we don't drive people away :-oNov 17 17:43
schestowitzsebsebseb: we can do a show with you tonightNov 17 17:43
schestowitzif Tim agreesNov 17 17:43
sebsebsebschestowitz: uhmm I am not set up with SKype like I saidNov 17 17:43
schestowitzIt would be a good time cause of Mageia newsNov 17 17:44
schestowitzsebsebseb: should take you minutesNov 17 17:44
schestowitzThe recorder is not compatible with ekiga (yet)Nov 17 17:44
schestowitzI'm not sure ekiga can do >2 people in call, eitherNov 17 17:45
sebsebsebschestowitz: need a phone to chat in and such,  or microphone, not sure where that voip phone has gone and such,  but there are other computers here  with Skype, that will hardly get used, but those aren't  mine, however I could still use one for Skype if neassareyNov 17 17:45
sebsebsebI know it can be a pain to set upNov 17 17:45
schestowitzhttp://practical-tech.com/network/facebook%e2%80%99s-e-mail-flop/Nov 17 17:45
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sebsebsebanyway doing one of these podcasts on Skype,  costs for everyone doing it?Nov 17 17:45
schestowitzsebsebseb: yes, can use on any accountNov 17 17:46
schestowitzsebsebseb: no, it's freeNov 17 17:46
sebsebsebyeah, but Skype costs, its not like our other voip thingNov 17 17:46
sebsebsebschestowitz: anyway isn't it best to wait for alpha 1 really for Mageia stuff on there?Nov 17 17:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] i get frustrated when i can't have a conversation without the end result being more work piled on my plate.Nov 17 17:47
sebsebsebright now all I could really do is why, I  want to contribute more properly to that project, communityNov 17 17:47
sebsebseband  stuff like thatNov 17 17:47
sebsebsebschestowitz: the audiocast is free for those doing it?  or only one person pays?Nov 17 17:48
schestowitzsebsebseb: I don't even know for sure how to pronounce the distro's anmeNov 17 17:48
schestowitzsebsebseb: it's freeNov 17 17:49
schestowitzOur admin also gives us bandwidth :-)Nov 17 17:49
schestowitzsebsebseb: it's good to give the project publicityNov 17 17:49
schestowitzmany don't know it exists yetNov 17 17:49
schestowitzfind someone with a skype accountNov 17 17:49
schestowitzwe'll hook it up with mine or tim'sNov 17 17:50
schestowitzand then startNov 17 17:50
sebsebsebschestowitz: yeah same  here, I am not sure  what is the 100% correct way to pronounce it eitherNov 17 17:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Linux desktop may soon be a lot faster http://is.gd/hivsD "it's almost like getting a new computer," says @sjvnNov 17 17:50
Ender2070you won't interview rms then ;)Nov 17 17:50
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schestowitzEnder2070: I can use ekiga or landlineNov 17 17:50
sebsebsebschestowitz: theres also this :DNov 17 17:51
sebsebsebschestowitz: ned a land line for it thoughNov 17 17:51
schestowitzneed to put mic on phoneNov 17 17:51
sebsebsebit seemsNov 17 17:51
sebsebsebhttp://www.voipcheap.comNov 17 17:51
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sebsebsebhttp://www.voipcheap.com :)Nov 17 17:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Voipcheap | Free voip calls are one step away! .::. Size~: 18.97 KBNov 17 17:51
sebsebsebtheir software is only for Windows last time I looked at site, but can use it with ekiga evenNov 17 17:51
schestowitzEnder2070: I interviewed RMS beforeNov 17 17:51
sebsebseband theres a way to use it, without  needing to use the actsaul programNov 17 17:51
schestowitzsebsebseb: no, it's another oneNov 17 17:51
sebsebsebschestowitz: need to put mic on phone?Nov 17 17:53
*sebsebseb has thought about buying an actsual microphone a few times before, but hasn'tNov 17 17:53
sebsebseba main reason I wanted that, was  becuse of Paltalk, and I remember how, there would be like rooms, and then if permission to talk, someone would chat to the whole room :DNov 17 17:54
sebsebseb_Goblin: schestowitz What kind of kit you got for this?Nov 17 17:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Presenting at INET Singapore 2010, Nov 18 2010 - http://www.scribd.com/doc/42970464/INET-Singapore-November-18-2010 #fb #inetNov 17 17:55
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sebsebsebEnder2070: So when you did it, did you just listen to everything they said, and then just said something when  it was your turn, or?Nov 17 17:56
schestowitzMeh: http://opensource.com/life/10/11/good-design-hard-all-usNov 17 17:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ARGH!!! http://is.gd/hiwM2 Windows is easy.Nov 17 17:57
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schestowitzsebsebseb: you don't need a mic of your ownNov 17 17:57
sebsebsebschestowitz: oh?Nov 17 17:57
schestowitzNot if you can borrow someone's account/pc for half an  hourNov 17 17:57
schestowitzMight be easiestNov 17 17:57
sebsebsebyeah there are  voip phones here or whatever, that can be used with SkypeNov 17 17:57
schestowitzSystem76 ☛ and the World http://is.gd/hiwwH expansion a sign that !gnu ☛ !linux ☛ does sell... and wellNov 17 17:58
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sebsebsebschestowitz: however I have actsauly thought about buying a mic, since what I just saidNov 17 17:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] @schestowitz I agree, but gov't agencies helped them do it. #InfluencePeddling is the real problem.Nov 17 17:58
cubezzzI coudn't find the older style mics at staplesNov 17 17:58
cubezzzI ended up using a shure dynamic micNov 17 17:59
sebsebsebschestowitz: Free to use Skpe for this really?Nov 17 18:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] .@schestowitz: ARGH!!! http://is.gd/hiwM2 #Windows is easy. // that's a strange way of spelling 'junk'Nov 17 18:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @lnxwalt140 that tooNov 17 18:00
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Ender2070yes sebsebsebNov 17 18:00
sebsebsebEnder2070: I thought Skype was well pay for most phone calls?Nov 17 18:00
sebsebsebor all phone calls evenNov 17 18:01
Ender2070skype to skype is freeNov 17 18:01
sebsebsebok :)Nov 17 18:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] In one hour, join me for a live Ubuntu and community video Q+A at http://is.gd/hixHX 11am Pac / 2pm Eas / 7pm UTC/GMT #ubuntu #communityNov 17 18:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Folks, have you helped Severed Fifth hit the studio and record a Free Culture album? http://is.gd/hbI6k #severedfifthNov 17 18:03
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schestowitzsebsebseb: yes, just get a computer/account to use, tell me what it is, I'll ring upNov 17 18:06
sebsebsebschestowitz: right ok I guessNov 17 18:06
sebsebsebschestowitz: yeah I am on the Ender2070 interview nowNov 17 18:07
sebsebsebso the  interviews get added to the audiocast?Nov 17 18:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] for once, maybe the #BBC just happened to save the public a fortune with that Panorama expose http://bbc.in/dsFDwQ #corruption #fifaNov 17 18:08
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sebsebsebschestowitz: yeah?Nov 17 18:08
Ender2070they add it to the audiocastNov 17 18:09
Ender2070editingNov 17 18:09
sebsebsebok :)Nov 17 18:09
schestowitzuncle brucie says "To judge from these comments, TDF is apparently using the break with OpenOffice.org to reconsider priorities." http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3913286Nov 17 18:09
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schestowitzSo far his article seems fairNov 17 18:09
sebsebsebschestowitz: uncle brucie ?Nov 17 18:10
sebsebseboh the one who wrote articleNov 17 18:10
schestowitzI jokeNov 17 18:10
schestowitzLike some call SchneierNov 17 18:10
schestowitzByfield annoys some peopleNov 17 18:10
sebsebsebschestowitz: ok so yeah, get set up or whatever, say I am ready, and do it, and thats it? interview?Nov 17 18:11
schestowitzyesNov 17 18:14
schestowitztim will be on tooNov 17 18:14
schestowitzwe figures out how to do conference callNov 17 18:14
schestowitz*redNov 17 18:14
sebsebsebschestowitz: well not today for thisNov 17 18:14
schestowitzand to rexord it properlyNov 17 18:14
sebsebsebschestowitz: however what kind of qustions would you ask?Nov 17 18:14
schestowitzTook me time messing around and testing 2 nights agoNov 17 18:14
gnufreexschestowitz: did you figure out how to replace Skype?Nov 17 18:14
gnufreex:-)Nov 17 18:15
schestowitzI have ekiga, but it has no recoderNov 17 18:15
schestowitzI am still trying to find one]Nov 17 18:15
schestowitzroy@roy:~$ which ekigaNov 17 18:16
sebsebsebschestowitz: If I am going to do it, I want to have some questions idealy, that I can answer properly :)Nov 17 18:16
schestowitz/usr/bin/ekigaNov 17 18:16
schestowitzsebsebseb: it's up for you to leadNov 17 18:16
schestowitzWe just provide cushion and guidanceNov 17 18:16
schestowitzAnd it's not just about this distrosNov 17 18:16
schestowitzWe don't write down questions/contentNov 17 18:16
schestowitzOnly at the end as afterthoughtNov 17 18:17
sebsebsebok your saying its up to me, what I say basically? and yeah you'll ask some questions when doing itNov 17 18:17
schestowitzit'll be easyNov 17 18:17
schestowitzI know enough to fill in and ensure we have no awkward silencesNov 17 18:18
sebsebsebok :)Nov 17 18:18
gnufreexEmpathy can't record? (have no idea, didn't try)Nov 17 18:18
schestowitzWe never had awkward silence in over 10 hours of recordingNov 17 18:18
schestowitzAnd it's easier when 3 people are onNov 17 18:18
cubezzzwow, 10 hours already :)Nov 17 18:18
sebsebsebschestowitz: three you mean, so Tim can say stuff as well?Nov 17 18:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] New Ubuntu Translators resources: Facebook Page: http://is.gd/hiACx Twitter/identi.ca: @ubuntul10n - join them! #ubuntu #locoteamsNov 17 18:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] Should HP/Plam look into suing RIM? http://ur1.ca/2dasp #webosNov 17 18:18
sebsebseb_Goblin ^Nov 17 18:18
schestowitzgnufreex: I'm "schestowitz" (SIP)Nov 17 18:18
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schestowitzsebsebseb: yesNov 17 18:19
sebsebsebok :)Nov 17 18:19
schestowitzEveryone can be connected at once, maybe even 5 peopleNov 17 18:19
schestowitzAlthough it's too muchNov 17 18:19
schestowitzNo visual cuesNov 17 18:19
sebsebsebwell i'll find out about the computer/skype and then maybe this weekNov 17 18:19
schestowitzfor last call we needed to create irc channelNov 17 18:20
schestowitzto pass signsNov 17 18:20
gnufreexschestowitz: Did I make a typo?Nov 17 18:20
sebsebsebschestowitz: oh?Nov 17 18:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz my mistake then... i most certainly should have included the license restriction... I'm still trying to get my head round !CCNov 17 18:20
schestowitzI make typos all the timeNov 17 18:20
sebsebsebschestowitz: and I was thinking about this the other day or something ilke it,  I mean the Ubuntu  UK podcast, and like how I woudn't want to run one for Mageia UK probablyNov 17 18:21
sebsebsebschestowitz: ,but yeah could chat on techrights sometimes :DNov 17 18:21
sebsebsebuh techbytes I meanNov 17 18:21
schestowitzhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/1898365/microsoft-dumped-linux-avayaNov 17 18:22
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gnufreexNo, I am asking why you say "I am schestowitz". I thought you are implying I spelled your name wrong.Nov 17 18:22
*sebsebseb has a plan this week, to go and see some sort of artwork made with Linux or something, not sure what it is yetNov 17 18:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] New !StopUBB post: "Number Crunching UBB Bandwidth" (how much bandwidth is in the cap?) http://ur1.ca/2dat5 #CRTC #CdnpoliNov 17 18:23
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schestowitzhttp://blogs.techrepublic.com.com/10things/?p=1947Nov 17 18:24
schestowitz"Robert McCormick, former CEO of IT services company Savvis, resigned in 2005 after he and several associates ran up a $241,000 tab on his company credit card during a single visit to Scores topless bar in New York."Nov 17 18:24
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schestowitzgnufreex: no, I put the username thereNov 17 18:24
schestowitzFor SIP clientsNov 17 18:24
schestowitzIn case people contact meNov 17 18:24
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gnufreexWhere? (I lost you completely now)Nov 17 18:25
sebsebsebschestowitz: anyway I would also mention a bit about Mandriva and their latest plans and what I think of that, I guessNov 17 18:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Transcribing an interview with my director. #BUSCNov 17 18:27
gnufreexIt looks Mandriva will do one release per year now.Nov 17 18:27
sebsebsebgnufreex: yesNov 17 18:27
sebsebseband a 2010.2 is coming out on 22nd December unless delayedNov 17 18:27
gnufreexI always thought they should do that.Nov 17 18:27
sebsebsebwell it seems to fit in with their OEM stuff and what not, from what I been toldNov 17 18:27
schestowitzIs it not Russian now?Nov 17 18:28
gnufreexThere is no big distro that goes 1 year schedule.Nov 17 18:28
sebsebseband they have quite a lot of older users, who  won't like upgradng their distro version much, I talked to one online not that long ago in factNov 17 18:28
schestowitzIIRC some Russian company bought it from those French/Brazilian roots (Mandrake/Connectiva)Nov 17 18:28
sebsebsebgnufreex: right, but Mandriva won't be so big anymoreNov 17 18:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #LinuxMint 10 review http://is.gd/hiChW "Linux Mint has always been a good desktop distribution."Nov 17 18:28
gnufreexYeah, that sucks.Nov 17 18:28
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sebsebsebgnufreex: I was asking Mageia developers I think it was yesterday in IRC, about Mageia and if it will do two releasesNov 17 18:29
sebsebseband it seems probably, but there aren't realy any proper plans yet,  for the second stable release, if any realyNov 17 18:29
gnufreexI think they should do one per year, but do it right. Lot of people are bashing Ubuntu because bugginess.Nov 17 18:29
sebsebsebgnufreex: and I was explaining how I think its important for any distro that wants to gain a more proper market share to have two releases a year, because thats what Ubuntu and Fedora doNov 17 18:29
sebsebsebgnufreex: thats Ubuntu though, they don't  tend to fix stuff on the backend muchNov 17 18:30
sebsebseband they go and use newer versiosn of programs like Grub 2, because Debian do, when most other distros seem to still be on Grub 1 :)Nov 17 18:30
sebsebsebGrub 0.97Nov 17 18:30
gnufreexFedora is doing that because they are bleeding edge distro.Nov 17 18:30
sebsebsebGrub 2 :(Nov 17 18:30
sebsebsebGrub 0.97  :)Nov 17 18:30
sebsebseband even Fedora is using the old version of GrubNov 17 18:30
gnufreexUbuntu on the other hand does also, but I think they should use older kernel and low level stuff.Nov 17 18:31
gnufreexAnd Ubuntu have Debian base and lots of devs.Nov 17 18:31
gnufreexI don't think Mandriva can match that.Nov 17 18:32
sebsebsebgnufreex: Ubuntu isn't a very good distro anymore and its been like that since 9.04Nov 17 18:32
sebsebsebgnufreex: 9.04 was the last properly good version though, even though there was that feature by default that really got at me, yes the patched FUSA,  removng shut down and log out from system menu,  when that is enabledNov 17 18:32
sebsebsebgnufreex: altough from what I have seen of Unity, its interestingNov 17 18:32
sebsebseband okNov 17 18:32
sebsebsebwell for end users I mean, technically hmm, since yep the copy right assignments and all thatNov 17 18:33
gnufreexIf Mandrive dumps cooker and start importing things from Fedora (Like Ubuntu does with Debian), they could match Ubuntu's release schedule. Otherwise, it is too much work.Nov 17 18:33
sebsebsebas far as I know now that with these new investors,  Mandriva is mainly about their big paid customers nowNov 17 18:34
sebsebseband if thats the case, then yes it really makes sense for them to only do one release per yearNov 17 18:34
sebsebseband this Ender2070 Fedora interview is quite longNov 17 18:34
Ender2070Mandriva is going to Fedora?Nov 17 18:35
Ender2070lolNov 17 18:35
gnufreexI think Mandriva company wouldn't break in the first place if they toned down to one release.Nov 17 18:35
sebsebsebEnder2070: nopeNov 17 18:35
Ender2070why not just use FedoraNov 17 18:35
sebsebsebEnder2070: they aren'tNov 17 18:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Agent 008 Ball – Creating an HTML5 Game http://mzl.la/dpDhMZNov 17 18:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Awesome test day for the new SUMO KB http://bit.ly/dt6tMUNov 17 18:35
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sebsebsebalso Mandriva and other distros in its family, so PC Linux OS,  and this Unity Linux I haven't tried yet, and of cousre Mageia when its made, are quite differnet to FedoraNov 17 18:35
gnufreexPClinuxOS does to few releases.Nov 17 18:36
sebsebsebFedora lacks stuff like  control centre for a start, but so does UbuntuNov 17 18:36
sebsebsebgnufreex: uhmm its a rolling release PCLOSNov 17 18:36
sebsebsebgnufreex: so that could be why your saying that :DNov 17 18:36
*schestowitz spilled water all over the table..Nov 17 18:36
gnufreexYeah, it is roling but it rolls to slow.Nov 17 18:36
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gnufreexThey have same packages like DebianNov 17 18:37
sebsebsebgnufreex: well I am planning on putting it on here soonish, no quite sure when,  I can't just virtualbox in Fedora,  plus still got a kernel  issue  with some of them, because I did stuff with the Nivida driverNov 17 18:37
sebsebsebreally Fedora is hyped up lke Ubuntu as well, but not as badly and not as much to the extentNov 17 18:37
sebsebsebcome on other distros :DNov 17 18:37
sebsebsebgood ones I mean,  Mandriva,  PC Linux OS,  Mageia when its made,  those kind of distros :DNov 17 18:38
sebsebsebgnufreex: Fedora even has Canonica's  Simple Scan as part of itNov 17 18:38
gnufreexalso PCliuxOS is not really rolling, since it only rolls packages. 200x Releases only use one kernel and KDE 3.xxNov 17 18:38
sebsebsebschestowitz: uhmm episode 1 is two hours  or something daft wasn't it?Nov 17 18:38
gnufreexThey don't update kernel and DENov 17 18:38
gnufreexOnly packages.Nov 17 18:39
sebsebsebgnufreex: no PCLOS has been using KDE 4 for quite a long time nowNov 17 18:39
gnufreexlike programs and such.Nov 17 18:39
gnufreexHmm... I used it last year.Nov 17 18:39
gnufreexIt was KDE3Nov 17 18:39
sebsebsebgnufreex: uh thats last yearNov 17 18:39
gnufreexThey probably updated by nowNov 17 18:39
sebsebsebgnufreex: most of 2010 has been now as wellNov 17 18:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Create a foggy window http://is.gd/hiEqd #blender3d #freesoftwareNov 17 18:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @carlopiana @glynmoody, @webmink misses key point: #RAND *does* discriminate against certain FLOSS licenses:e.g., !GPL. RAND is bad *per se*Nov 17 18:40
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gnufreexBut my point is that KDE came in new release (2010), and not as an update.Nov 17 18:40
gnufreexThat is not so rolling release.Nov 17 18:40
gnufreexArch Linux is rolling.Nov 17 18:41
gnufreexThey give new kernel and new KDE as an update.Nov 17 18:41
gnufreexJust pacman -UNov 17 18:41
gnufreexAnd you get everything new.Nov 17 18:41
Ender2070fedora does tooNov 17 18:41
Ender2070yum updateNov 17 18:41
gnufreexEnder2070: No, it does not give new kernel as update to F14Nov 17 18:42
Ender2070it willNov 17 18:42
gnufreexAs in 2.6.35 to .36Nov 17 18:42
gnufreexIt goes 2.6.35-xxNov 17 18:43
Ender2070it will when it passesNov 17 18:43
gnufreex2.6.37 is now out, I didn't get itNov 17 18:43
gnufreexI have been using Fedora for some time, it doesn't give new kernels. You have to install F15Nov 17 18:44
gnufreexOr soNov 17 18:44
gnufreexYou can add new kernel manualyNov 17 18:44
Ender2070it does give new kernelsNov 17 18:44
gnufreexYou are mixing Fedora releases with Rawhide.Nov 17 18:44
Ender2070f13 got .34Nov 17 18:45
gnufreexAs an option?Nov 17 18:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rt @PegNorthPirate UK Culture Minister Backs 'Two-Speed' Internet: http://ur1.ca/2day1 (administers culture death blow) #NetNeutrality #FAILNov 17 18:45
Ender2070as defaultNov 17 18:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Slashdot News Story | UK Minister Backs 'Two-Speed' Internet .::. Size~: 145.1 KBNov 17 18:45
Ender2070after an updateNov 17 18:45
gnufreexDid it get new gnome? Did will F14 get GNOME 3 as an update? Roling release does all that.Nov 17 18:46
gnufreexLike Arch.Nov 17 18:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @bkuhn Bzzt, wrong. RAND describes a superset of behaviours. Some RAND requirements lead to RF terms. [1/2]Nov 17 18:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @inkorrupt Life is too Short to be Controlled - Part 2 http://t.co/HI0uERc #ppi #tpn #piracy #piraten #surveillance via @one2teach1Nov 17 18:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @bkuhn The existence of trivial counterexamples where RAND standards have GPL implementations allows trolls to thus discredit this position.Nov 17 18:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Dailymotion - Life is too Short to be Controlled - Part 2 - a News & Politics video .::. Size~: 59.02 KBNov 17 18:47
gnufreexI am not saying that Rolling releases are better.Nov 17 18:47
gnufreexJust saying that Fedora is not.Nov 17 18:47
gnufreexRolling releases distros don't have real releases. Just snapshots one in a whileNov 17 18:48
gnufreexSo you don't start with packages from 2005 and update.Nov 17 18:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @tioduke Cracking SHA1 passwords on Amazon's new "Cluster GPU Instances" for only 2.10$ http://bit.ly/988tgqNov 17 18:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] working with small, family-run businesses in wedding planning has absolutely paid offNov 17 18:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @carlopiana It took much longer.Nov 17 18:48
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Cracking Passwords In The Cloud: Amazons New EC2 GPU Instances « stacksmashing.net .::. Size~: 52.61 KBNov 17 18:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @mairin Wow... When's the big day?Nov 17 18:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @webmink @bkuhn which is why we must be careful with our phrasing if we are to be 100% correct - as we must or they will jump on it...Nov 17 18:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] I have just finished listening to !techbytes Episode 1, and to be honest I don't like the music that much.Nov 17 18:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Kicking off in ten mins with my community and Ubuntu videocast - on us and bring questions to http://is.gd/hixHX #ubuntu #communityNov 17 18:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 'Megafon Siberia implements Linux-based video call-centre' http://is.gd/hiHhO "...based entirely on open source software: OS Ubuntu Linux"Nov 17 18:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: At Home With Jono Bacon on USTREAM: Ramblings on community, Linux and technology from Jono Bacon..  .::. Size~: 47.21 KBNov 17 18:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Woohoo, new Orange Caramel video \o/ http://goo.gl/w9k6M :)Nov 17 18:58
TechrightsBot-trTitle:     YouTube        - [HD] Orange Caramel - A~ing♡ MV / 오렌지캬라멜 - 아잉♡ 뮤직비디오   .::. Size~: 138.3 KBNov 17 18:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Join me now for my live Ubuntu and Community Q+A videocast! http://is.gd/hixHX #ubuntu #communityNov 17 19:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Wednesday's security updates http://lwn.net/Articles/415893/rssNov 17 19:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #PCLinuxOS #LXDE Review and Screenshots http://is.gd/hiI2bNov 17 19:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] RT @sjsf #Cholera spreads from #Haiti to the #DominicanRepublic. CNN: http://www.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/americas/11/17/haiti.cholera/Nov 17 19:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @schestowitz: RT @nhi Sick of [airporn] scanners? Ask your US state legislators to join the movement to stop them: http://bit.ly/9h9tt2Nov 17 19:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @ufa: ♻ @alexcastrolll: Devemos aumentar a idade da aposentadoria? Esse é o melhor contra-argumento que já ouvi. http://bit.ly/d5GuUhNov 17 19:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] MeeGo conference: Intel's and Nokia's visions of MeeGo http://lwn.net/Articles/415587/rssNov 17 19:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Benchmarking ARM Tablets, Smart-Phones: When writing this morning about what's going on with Iveland and OpenBen... http://bit.ly/9XQUNQNov 17 19:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @eff: Has airport security gone too far? http://on.wsj.com/cwfh4J #TSANov 17 19:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @Valleywag: Facebook Is Banning 'Fake' Women for Life http://gawker.com/5692443/Nov 17 19:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rt @rateldajer More on #c311 - Tory senators kill climate bill passed by House http://t.co/XZho4f9 #cdnpoli #astoundinghypocrisyNov 17 19:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @webmink I see. How much I owe you? ;-)Nov 17 19:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @bkuhn RAND is not bad per se, it's bad because "non discriminatory" is devoid of content and meaning, need precise rules: #OpenstandardNov 17 19:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] SecurityThreatre(R) is supposed to make ppl *feel* safer when boarding planes. Does having stranger grope junk really improve that feeling?Nov 17 19:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Maybe it's time to generally challenge all sorts of 'security' mechanisms that are easy to circumvent & just offer goodfeel security. #cctvNov 17 19:33
schestowitz"@schestowitz @glynmoody ""HBase is proprietary" | Completely untrue: http://hbase.apache.org/ . Can't be more open. [...] Note @saintstack has been project lead from Powerset through MSFT to Stumble, so truly MSFT had HBase briefly [...] has been project lead from Powerset through MSFT to Stumble, so truly MSFT had HBase briefly" https://twitter.com/#!/akpurtell/status/4975133890449408Nov 17 19:34
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/#!/akpurtell/status/4974541696671745 https://twitter.com/#!/akpurtell/status/4974541696671745Nov 17 19:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] i am APPALLED that @CIRANEWS is promoting an "online census" to Canadians that doesn't reveal who is asking questions !Privacy !CanadaNov 17 19:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] Carta do Fórum da Cultura Digital em Defesa da Liberdade na Internet http://ur1.ca/2db9w #meganão ao AI-5.1 (via @faconti)Nov 17 19:35
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_Goblin#Nov 17 19:40
_Goblinschestowitz: just getting little un off to sleep...then I'll be availablsNov 17 19:40
schestowitzok, coolNov 17 19:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Amazon Wants to Change the Way Movies Get Made - http://on.mash.to/cGYvUv changing the scale #films #amazonNov 17 19:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Drug companies 'exploiting rules to make exorbitant profits from NHS' http://ur1.ca/2dbc7 #bigpharmaNov 17 19:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @webmink FSF already blacklisted RAND as confusing word: http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#RANDNov 17 19:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Libre Graphics Magazine 1.1 http://lwn.net/Articles/415936/rssNov 17 19:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The !fsf is where proprietary software comes to be buried http://is.gd/hiRwINov 17 19:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @quaid: Finally got around to making an #Epub version of #TOSW: ur1.ca/2dbgiNov 17 19:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @ark74: RD @hound: ¿serías felíz en una prisión con todos los lujos imaginables? | Sabiendo que los tuyos estarán igual de "presos" :SNov 17 19:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @webmink @carlopiana, I've never seen #RAND terms that didn't leave open possibility of !GPL -incompatible on #swpats not yet licensed.Nov 17 19:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] @schestowitz: lol :)Nov 17 20:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] People generally buy TVs that are to big. Must be a penis envy thing....Nov 17 20:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is jargon with 172 dents!Nov 17 20:00
cubezzzwow, there's over 350 billionaires nowNov 17 20:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @coltem: Linux o GNU/Linux: non sono solo cavilli http://ur1.ca/2d9nmNov 17 20:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] A #q related to my motivations to work on sw freedom: ♻ @spot: "All that's necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing."Nov 17 20:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] A few years ago Microsoft bragged about a research project that would record a person's every move. Misguided. Life's too short for reruns.Nov 17 20:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Join me now for a live Severed Fifth videocast, update and more at http://is.gd/hiFT6 #severedfifthNov 17 20:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Now running 2.6.35.8-59.xsched1.fc14.x86_64 on my !F13 it is a little strange :-)Nov 17 20:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Enough work. Now watching "The Promise: Making of Darkness on the Edge of Town". !BruceNov 17 20:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @bkuhn yes, similarly, you have never seen the oxygen fill just half of the room. You are right, that's the ubiquitous experience.Nov 17 20:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[osamak/@osamak] آر تي @bkuhn A #q related to my motivations to work on sw freedom: ♻ @spot: "All that's necessary for the triumph of evil is that good m ...Nov 17 20:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Craziest Guy on the Internets! http://is.gd/hiTxN hilarious! And he's serious.Nov 17 20:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @bkuhn A #q related to my motivations to work on sw freedom: ♻ @spot: "All that's necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men ...Nov 17 20:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @ricardopontes: 2º GNUteco em Campinas http://miud.in/i1M Compareça!Nov 17 20:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @schestowitz if only Linux didn't work so hard to keep this statement true... :-(Nov 17 20:10
gnufreexsebsebseb:QUESTION: How many of your questions Jono answered? (lol)Nov 17 20:11
sebsebsebgnufreex: on identica you mean?Nov 17 20:11
sebsebsebgnufreex: oh the ustream?Nov 17 20:12
sebsebsebgnufreex: anyway I might not be that keen on Ubuntu anymore, but those are fun :)Nov 17 20:12
gnufreexI mean on those question show.Nov 17 20:13
sebsebsebgnufreex: were yiou there taking part this time?Nov 17 20:13
gnufreexI watched. But didn't ask any.Nov 17 20:13
sebsebsebgnufreex: I done them all except one since 30th JuneNov 17 20:13
sebsebsebgnufreex: or maybe two if there was one the UDS week, but no I don't think there wasNov 17 20:13
gnufreexI didn't comment anything. (nor asked)Nov 17 20:14
gnufreexJust watched.Nov 17 20:14
sebsebsebgnufreex: turns out one of the guys asking questions, was a community memeber, but with another name thereNov 17 20:14
sebsebsebgnufreex: hes doing his music one now,  I just joined the room, and got it open in browser, but I don't care that much about thatNov 17 20:14
sebsebsebgnufreex: only like 3rd time I am seeing one of those live or whateverNov 17 20:15
sebsebsebanyway a dose of Ubuntu fan boys and such :DNov 17 20:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @Valleywag: Your Guide to Navigating Airport Security With Ease http://gawker.com/5692346/Nov 17 20:15
sebsebseb,but in a better way than say the big Ubuntu channel heh hehNov 17 20:15
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sebsebsebgnufreex: yeah those that love UbuntuNov 17 20:16
sebsebseband suchNov 17 20:16
gnufreexWe are talking about the show that eded just half of hour agoNov 17 20:16
gnufreex(don't know other one)Nov 17 20:16
sebsebsebI haven't listended to that yetNov 17 20:16
sebsebsebohNov 17 20:16
sebsebsebyeah yeahNov 17 20:16
gnufreexI just clicked on link on identicaNov 17 20:16
sebsebsebgnufreex: yes theres a techbytes show nowNov 17 20:16
gnufreexBut no live questions.Nov 17 20:17
sebsebsebgnufreex: ,but jono does his weekly session on ustream q and aNov 17 20:17
sebsebsebexcept when he is ill or whatever of courseNov 17 20:17
gnufreexWas this ustream? I didn't catch name.Nov 17 20:17
sebsebsebgnufreex: yep he does his q and a on ustreamNov 17 20:18
sebsebsebgnufreex: also it wasn't half an hour ago when it ended :D ,but nearlyNov 17 20:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 17/11/2010: Chrome OS and Android Explained, Linux 2.6.37-rc2 http://techrights.org/?p=42015Nov 17 20:18
schestowitz"Ah so thats what Exeter is doing these days http://bit.ly/9dk3au - I knew he didn't die in the crash http://imdb.to/doCHXU " https://twitter.com/#!/Codepope/status/4987671277477888Nov 17 20:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @Codepope *LOL*Nov 17 20:20
Ender2070I grabbed scientific linux 6 alphaNov 17 20:20
Ender2070i still like fedora betterNov 17 20:20
sebsebsebMagea :D whe an ISO to test :D next month yay :)Nov 17 20:21
schestowitzsebsebseb: didn't jono stop the usteam sessions or make them less frequentNov 17 20:21
sebsebsebschestowitz: nopeNov 17 20:21
sebsebsebschestowitz: except for his bandNov 17 20:22
schestowitzI must have confused it with FLOSS Weekly and Shot of JAAAAAAACKNov 17 20:22
sebsebsebthis is the first band one for a little while nowNov 17 20:22
schestowitzOpenRespect.... what a gentleman :-) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAWAyJd9xD4Nov 17 20:23
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Ender2070Magea lolNov 17 20:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @schestowitz heh. having private parts fondled == goodfeel security? :-) :-(Nov 17 20:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] A friend told me I said something offensive a long time ago, but can't say what it was. I apologized, but it now all seems irreparable. :-/Nov 17 20:23
sebsebsebEnder2070: Mageia :)Nov 17 20:24
sebsebseband also Fedora isn't only for eliteist people these days by the way :DNov 17 20:24
Ender2070I knowNov 17 20:24
Ender2070Everyone should use FedoraNov 17 20:24
sebsebsebaltough  I don't think it was when I did it as my first distro in 2004, but I coudn't go online with it since... ,but you know what I meanNov 17 20:24
sebsebsebI thinkNov 17 20:24
MinceRi think that distro developers and maintainers should use the distro they're working onNov 17 20:25
MinceRat least some of the time :>Nov 17 20:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @fabsh I hear Samsung has TVs that come with their own copies of the GPL on the manual ;-)Nov 17 20:25
sebsebsebMinceR: yes is Fedora that?Nov 17 20:25
sebsebsebMinceR: I mean Ender2070 that?Nov 17 20:25
MinceRi don't understand but it was a reply to what Ender2070 saidNov 17 20:25
sebsebsebI think the people who are going to be doing offical community stuff for a distro or development, should be using it, quite a lot of the timeNov 17 20:25
sebsebsebso yeah I got to use Mageia now :)Nov 17 20:26
sebsebsebeven if I find Mandriva better or somethingNov 17 20:26
sebsebseband yeah I mean after an ISO, I also think people like me should be testing development, so yep alpha 1 next month for me :)Nov 17 20:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] TSA pats down 3 year old http://ur1.ca/2dbmv #pedophilesNov 17 20:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Congressman John Mica, one of the authors of the TSA bill, hates the TSA in this post-9/11 world http://ur1.ca/2d4a9Nov 17 20:27
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sebsebsebanyway really I just use whatever distro I want to use at the time :)Nov 17 20:27
sebsebsebpretty muchNov 17 20:27
Ender2070for me thats FedoraNov 17 20:27
sebsebsebfor me Fedora is meant to be going bye bye soon, since certain thingsNov 17 20:27
Ender2070it does exactly what I need it to doNov 17 20:27
sebsebseband to try out PC Linux OS on real hardwareNov 17 20:27
Ender2070Fedoras not going anywhereNov 17 20:28
Ender2070what do you meanNov 17 20:28
Ender2070bye bye?Nov 17 20:28
sebsebsebEnder2070: yes as in removing from this PCNov 17 20:28
Ender2070ohhhNov 17 20:28
Ender2070whyNov 17 20:28
sebsebsebwell PCLOS is meant to be pretty good, from brief vm trying I wasn't that impressedNov 17 20:28
sebsebseb,but technically its meant to be very good, and won't really know for sure, unless I use it properly for a whileNov 17 20:28
sebsebseband Fedora wellNov 17 20:29
Ender2070its based on mandriva isnt itNov 17 20:29
sebsebsebsome of my kernels won't boot anymore, after doing Nivida, I told you about that alreadyNov 17 20:29
sebsebseband Virtualbox uhmm  can't just install that or whateverNov 17 20:29
sebsebsebyes, but now days PCLOS is rather well differnetNov 17 20:29
Ender2070ohh strangeNov 17 20:29
Ender2070i had to manually configure my xorg to fix my issuesNov 17 20:29
sebsebsebyeah removing the propritary Nivida driver, messed up some of my kernels from booting from Grub :(Nov 17 20:30
Ender2070got it working thoughNov 17 20:30
Ender2070all it does to grub is add rdblacklist=nouveauNov 17 20:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] nesta sexta, 19/11, Dia do Software Livre na UNESP de Ilha Solteira http://ur1.ca/2dbngeNov 17 20:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Richard Stallman became famous 4 his work on the GPL, the most widely used software licence. But his political blog is good 2. stallman.orgNov 17 20:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Bill Nye collapsed during speech, I hope hes okay http://ur1.ca/2dbnxNov 17 20:30
sebsebsebEnder2070: and yes I may have to do something like that, I mean if I want to fix, but if I am going to replace with PCLOS soon anyway,  not that much point  I guessNov 17 20:30
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Ender2070I was talking with someone today who was complaining about PCLOSNov 17 20:31
_Goblinschestowitz: right, I can callNov 17 20:31
Ender2070not always having packages he wantedNov 17 20:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] pondering an epic ep for !HPR, last nights ep didn't have the end right, this take is now 45min, which screams "too long" to meNov 17 20:32
sebsebsebEnder2070: from vm trying I don't like the theme of Gnome or KDE,  and the branding, stuff can be changed ,but hmmNov 17 20:32
sebsebsebEnder2070: I mean I want to use Windows in a virtual machince on here soon, because of a stupid program on a DVD I got and its stupid anti piracy causing issues with Wine, even though its perfectly legal it was boughtNov 17 20:32
sebsebsebEnder2070: and yeah I probably won't be that keen on PCLOS on real hardware, and I know it, so maybe well very  near the end of November I do that, if I bother, I don't knowNov 17 20:33
sebsebsebI mean if I can fix my problems with Fedora :DNov 17 20:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Antimatter atoms produced and trapped at CERN http://ur1.ca/2dbo1 !scienceNov 17 20:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Very interesting stuff about the music industry and recording contracts in this movie...Nov 17 20:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] RT @lxoliva @fabsh I hear Samsung has TVs that come with their own copies of the GPL on the manual ;-)Nov 17 20:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] MT @schestowitz Richard Stallman (@rms) became famous4 defining #GPL, most widely used software licence. But his blog is good 2 stallman.orgNov 17 20:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Oracle submits specs for Java 7 and 8 (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/9GTIfiNov 17 20:33
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sebsebsebEnder2070: I don't reall  want to mess around quite a bit more with distros,  I want to use my computer soon, for something proper,  something I should have sorted out years ago realyNov 17 20:34
sebsebsebI think all distros are a bit sucky at the moment, because big  important changes are comingNov 17 20:35
sebsebsebGnome 3,  Unity even,  uhmm btrfs in more distros by default?Nov 17 20:35
lightpriestso much time of good developers is wasted on whether MS cheated on the SunSpider test or not, such a stupid debate could have been saved if the code was simply open...Nov 17 20:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] What doesn't kill you, makes you stronger. Bruce definitely pulled that one off...Nov 17 20:37
Ender2070FedoraNov 17 20:37
sebsebsebfan boyNov 17 20:38
sebsebseb=Nov 17 20:38
sebsebsebEnder2070:Nov 17 20:38
sebsebseb:DNov 17 20:38
Ender2070I finally migrated my server to itNov 17 20:38
Ender2070used to run ubuntu serverNov 17 20:38
sebsebsebEnder2070: uh really?Nov 17 20:38
sebsebsebI thought you were anti Ubuntu?Nov 17 20:38
Ender2070yeah I amNov 17 20:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] He was millions in debt? Jesus. No wonder there's a feeling of last record ever...Nov 17 20:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @fabsh spinach? ack ack ack, I have had alls I cans stands, I just can't stands no moreNov 17 20:38
Ender2070I used to like itNov 17 20:38
sebsebsebwhy not Debian  or CentOS or something for the server then?Nov 17 20:38
Ender2070thats when I made the serverNov 17 20:38
sebsebsebI mean instead of UbuntuNov 17 20:39
Ender2070I used to like UbuntuNov 17 20:39
sebsebsebok why not anymore?Nov 17 20:39
Ender2070they added monoNov 17 20:39
Ender2070i've had this server for yearsNov 17 20:39
sebsebsebEnder2070: ok, but other than MonoNov 17 20:39
sebsebseband also a lot of the other distros do Mono by default as wellNov 17 20:39
Ender2070i started liking Fedora moreNov 17 20:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Case of point: "[T]here has been a world-wide move towards US-style expensive education." -- @rms http://is.gd/hiYlHNov 17 20:40
schestowitz_Goblin: coolNov 17 20:40
Ender2070its superior in every wayNov 17 20:40
schestowitzHold ojnNov 17 20:40
Ender2070especially securityNov 17 20:40
Ender2070SELinux owns crackersNov 17 20:41
schestowitzjust catching up w/ IRCNov 17 20:41
sebsebseb_Goblin lacks Fedora expereince according to techbytes :DNov 17 20:41
_GoblinyepNov 17 20:41
_GoblinIm too happy with Sabayon to consider moving to a new distro for my main rig.Nov 17 20:42
sebsebseboh Ender2070 oh my, how could you,  I mean knowing _Goblin for all  this time on IRC, but not converting him to Fedora :DNov 17 20:42
_Goblin:)Nov 17 20:42
Ender2070after being on fedora for years I got annoyed when I had to log in to my server and use ubuntuNov 17 20:42
sebsebseb_Goblin: yeah Sabayon is mean to be pretty goodNov 17 20:42
_GoblinI think if I had used it for a period of time, I'd probably be a user now (many people tell me how good it is)Nov 17 20:42
sebsebseb_Goblin: its not quite how I remember itNov 17 20:43
sebsebsebit was my first distro :)Nov 17 20:43
sebsebsebwhen it still used the Redhat logo :)Nov 17 20:43
sebsebseband was called Fedora CoreNov 17 20:43
Ender2070I've distro hopped for yearsNov 17 20:43
sebsebsebits more like Ubuntu really,  Fedora 13 and 14,  even has Simple Scan as part of it, on the Fedora logo screensaver which is like the Ubuntu logo screensaverNov 17 20:43
Ender2070never stayed with one this longNov 17 20:44
sebsebsebyep like UbuntuNov 17 20:44
sebsebsebexceptNov 17 20:44
sebsebsebwell theres more stuff in it for developers and such as wellNov 17 20:44
sebsebseb_Goblin: however yeah Fedora = hype like Ubuntu, it really doesNov 17 20:44
sebsebseb_Goblin: just not as much of it, and not the same kindNov 17 20:44
_Goblinnothing wrong with hype if the product lives up to it.Nov 17 20:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !UbuntuOne Blog: Ask Ubuntu http://goo.gl/ZcnOrNov 17 20:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Bill Nye of 'The Science Guy' fame collapses during speech at USC [Updated] http://is.gd/hiZ8l "Nye was eventually removed from the stage."Nov 17 20:45
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MinceRi rarely see products that live up to their hypeNov 17 20:45
MinceRif everNov 17 20:45
*sebsebseb will be doing Mageia hype here and there it seems :DNov 17 20:45
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sebsebsebMinceR: indeedNov 17 20:45
_Goblinand I think its about time Linux as a whole worked out that hype, PR is what propels Microsoft.  If the Linux desktop does not engage in the same practices to an extent, then the voice of alternative never gets heard and people continue to suffer Windows.Nov 17 20:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Nobody went to his aid [...] "Instead, I saw students texting and updating their Twitter statuses.Nov 17 20:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Nobody went to his aid [...] "Instead, I saw students texting and updating their Twitter statuses." http://is.gd/hiZ8l generation YNov 17 20:47
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MinceRnot just m$, also crAppleNov 17 20:47
_GoblinI could create the best car in the world....if I don't market it, nobody will buy....Nov 17 20:47
MinceRword-of-mouth would still work, but only on a small scaleNov 17 20:47
_GoblinMinceR: agreed, although I think word of mouth is a far stronger "advert" for a product than mere advertising....probably why Microsoft has advocates to try to create some.Nov 17 20:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "It didn't have the words... I think I had 'Badlands'....." LOLNov 17 20:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @glynmoody @webmink @carlopiana, IMO & experience, nothing yet indicates http://ur1.ca/2dbr7 isn't still a correct characterization of #RANDNov 17 20:48
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sebsebseb_Goblin: uhmm  really Linux distrso are meant to be Unix alternatives with software freedom :)  it just happens though that in these past few years, many of them, are worth people using instead of Windows a lot of the time, most computer users evenNov 17 20:49
MinceRunix is what should have always been on PCsNov 17 20:49
sebsebseb_Goblin: of course  most don't know that, but my point is, many people that use a Linux distro don't really understand what they are aboutNov 17 20:49
MinceRever since they were powerful enough to run itNov 17 20:49
MinceRm$ managed to derail the market, and we need to correct thatNov 17 20:49
cubezzzeven Microsoft had a UnixNov 17 20:50
_Goblinsebsebseb: and that ethos did no harm for Windows, since many of its users don't have a PC to learn how it works, they have a PC to use facebook et alNov 17 20:50
MinceRi doubt m$ ever wanted Xenix to succeedNov 17 20:50
cubezzzinterestingly they stopped using it quite a long time agoNov 17 20:50
MinceRafaik they didn't even really own itNov 17 20:50
*cubezzz nodsNov 17 20:50
MinceR(never mind that they didn't really own DOS either, since it was stolen property)Nov 17 20:50
sebsebsebanyway I was in a channel uhmm yesterday evening / last nightNov 17 20:50
cubezzzI wonder how much they paid AT&T for a licenseNov 17 20:51
sebsebseband there was some  girl or whatever, going on about anti virus, asking what a good one would be for her MumNov 17 20:51
sebsebseband I started talking Linux to some guys there :) and I was basicaly told not to talk OS, but when we mentioned a way to keep WIndows more secure without that,  then this person was more interestedNov 17 20:51
cubezzzbahNov 17 20:51
MinceR:>Nov 17 20:51
cubezzzmany other OSes to tryNov 17 20:51
sebsebseb,but they had to leave or whatever,  before I nearly gave a link to a program,  however sandboxing is a bit pointless, if the OS is already taken over by the bad guysNov 17 20:52
sebsebsebof courseNov 17 20:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] This movie is amazing! @methoddan has to see this!!Nov 17 20:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] AMD Catalyst 10.11 Linux Driver Released: As was pointed out in our forums, the AMD Catalyst 10.11 Linux driver ... http://bit.ly/aoskelNov 17 20:52
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schestowitz[20:39] <Ender2070> they added monoNov 17 20:52
sebsebseb,but yeah some people, its like I don't really care about computers, whats a good anti virus, whats a good anti vrus, and then if you say there something better than anti virus,  then they might suddenly be kind of interested hmmNov 17 20:52
schestowitzI don't think that's trueNov 17 20:52
sebsebseb_Goblin: thas a big part of the problem right there, most computer users don't care enough about their computer, to make sure its rather secure, and they also think anti virus is enough,  when it really isn'tNov 17 20:53
schestowitzThey put it there like many others. If they add Banshee (not final), then it's bad, sure... but they tossed fspotNov 17 20:53
cubezzzanti-virus is good for warming up cpuNov 17 20:53
MinceRschestowitz: they also added bìng in disguiseNov 17 20:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] recording another !tb episode shortly. We get well over 2000 ogg requests per day nowNov 17 20:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @webmink, IMO responding to a respectful policy debate as if the debater lost on a game show isn't most (shall we say?) "human" way to act.Nov 17 20:53
MinceR(or at least they tried hard)Nov 17 20:54
schestowitz[20:45] <_Goblin> nothing wrong with hype if the product lives up to it.Nov 17 20:54
schestowitzDoes that quialify as "Hype" then?Nov 17 20:54
sebsebsebcubezzz: heh yeah exactly, anti virus is rather pointless,  it doesn't stop the bad programs getting on their in the first place,  and the correct malware on there, and thats it, cyber criminals use the computer as well,  and it will still be the case, when the virus is removed.  anyway I been trying to explain this every now and again to someone online, this year, but he  still doesn't get it :(Nov 17 20:54
Ender2070theres alot of reasons I dislike ubuntu thoughNov 17 20:55
Ender2070I find it inferiorNov 17 20:55
Ender2070lots of software shipped is olderNov 17 20:55
MinceR"if i want cutting edge, i'll buy a sword. if i want bleeding edge, i'll use it."Nov 17 20:55
Ender2070its easier for me to audit when its fedora because i've learned itNov 17 20:55
sebsebsebNewer is not always better, but yeah I know what you meanNov 17 20:55
cubezzzexactly soNov 17 20:55
sebsebsebcubezzz: @ me or?Nov 17 20:56
cubezzzgenerally speaking OSes of all types are getting more and more bloatedNov 17 20:56
sebsebsebEnder2070: cubezzz loves his   Fedora Core 1 or whatever he is usingNov 17 20:56
Ender2070:DNov 17 20:56
Ender2070lolNov 17 20:56
MinceRor they're getting more featurefulNov 17 20:56
MinceRand they're finding ways to use the growing power of the hardwareNov 17 20:56
Ender2070fedora is getting the official go compiler soonNov 17 20:56
MinceR(then again, usually they end up wasting it instead)Nov 17 20:56
Ender2070someone is working on itNov 17 20:56
Ender2070:DNov 17 20:56
sebsebsebEnder2070: seriously he is using an old version of Fedora, with his own updates or whateverNov 17 20:56
Ender2070yeah he isNov 17 20:56
Ender2070he rebuilds a lot of the codeNov 17 20:57
*MinceR gives Ender2070 a chess compilerNov 17 20:57
_Goblinschestowitz: I read anything positive as "hype" until I experience it myself.Nov 17 20:57
MinceR^_^Nov 17 20:57
Ender2070no, a Google Go compilerNov 17 20:57
Ender2070not the gameNov 17 20:57
Ender2070the languageNov 17 20:57
*sebsebseb when am I going to see some sort of art work from a LUG this week, if I bother hmmNov 17 20:57
*MinceR was playing with wordsNov 17 20:58
cubezzzI'm not even the most extreme in using old OS, I know people who swear by Linux 2.0 kernelNov 17 20:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !q "Like pulling parts off one car to build another." - Bruce Springsteen on songwritingNov 17 20:58
sebsebseboh yeah WednesdayNov 17 20:59
sebsebsebits about to be the ApprenticeNov 17 20:59
cubezzzPaul Allen has an ancient computer he usesNov 17 20:59
cubezzzsebsebseb I also use BL3 which is based on Slack 4, roughly 1999 eraNov 17 21:01
cubezzzAllen had... PDP-10 I thinkNov 17 21:02
cubezzzhttp://www.pdpplanet.comNov 17 21:02
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Ender2070laterNov 17 21:11
Ender2070i gtgNov 17 21:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] I have been playing #Minecraft all day. It may look 8 bit, it is bloody goodNov 17 21:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @EDRi_org: EDRi-gram 8.22: ENDitorial: Net neutrality - wait and see the end of the open Internet http://bit.ly/cWjZmPNov 17 21:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @johnkoetsier: Now You Can Edit Google Docs on iPad, iPhone and Android http://gizmo.do/9UkQ0kNov 17 21:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @ovidiusoft: TeamViewer Beta 6 is now out, remote control freaks rejoice http://bit.ly/9dhp8INov 17 21:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mapopa: RT @fiiliber Carcalaci Pac-Man cu Inkscape pe #fiiliber http://ur1.ca/2dax8Nov 17 21:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] DefectiveByDesign.org is a anti-DRM campaign that is targeting Big Media, unhelpful manufacturers and DRM distributors. - http://is.gd/gSrdBNov 17 21:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @novitro: Pe blog: Solutii de virtualizare pentru consolidarea serviciilor http://bit.ly/9fMnNBNov 17 21:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] 'Megafon Siberia implements Linux-based video call-centre' http://is.gd/hiHhO "...based entirely on open source software: OS Ubuntu Linux"Nov 17 21:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @x11r5 Man it has acquired sentienceNov 17 21:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "It was unheard of not putting a song that great on a record."Nov 17 21:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dandart/@dandart] You can make two changes at once and see the outcome if you fold the 5th dimension through the 6th. But not everyone wants to.Nov 17 21:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn are you sure this friend said it was #offensive ?Nov 17 21:35
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twitterhello comradsNov 17 21:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @fontana,maybe #offensive was my assumption. I've a hard time on boundaries btw "poor word choice", #inappropriate, #offensive & #disturbingNov 17 21:37
twitterthere's some serious but sneaky FUD in this PCPro article http://www.pcpro.co.uk/blogs/2010/11/17/the-best-netbook-os-xp-windows-7-or-ubuntu/Nov 17 21:37
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twitterIt gets demolished in comments.Nov 17 21:37
twitterFirst off, they compare Ubuntu's brand new netbook interface rather than a more mature offering.Nov 17 21:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Windows powering one in ten HPC clusters--but not top supercomputers (Network World): http://bit.ly/bYPNZMNov 17 21:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Nvidia chief scientist: CPUs slowed by legacy design (Network World): http://bit.ly/aKh1kKNov 17 21:38
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twitterThey then compare strictly Windows workloads and nasty non free software, but ignore many known Windows 7 annoyances like poor battery life.Nov 17 21:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Microsoft may turn to Windows Phone 7 for its tablet operating system http://is.gd/hjaBc #microsoft #wp7Nov 17 21:40
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twitterGiven all of those advantages, the best they can do is make Windows 7 look like Ubuntu's equal, ha ha.Nov 17 21:40
twitterA more fair comparison would be to use a netbook that comes with Ubuntu on it out of the box and compare that to the Windows 7 starter edition that also comes out of the box, then compare something like ODF performance.Nov 17 21:42
twitterDavid Staples  Says:Nov 17 21:43
twitter  November 17th, 2010 at 12:24 pmNov 17 21:43
twitterUbuntu runs like an Olympic sprinter on my Samsung Q33 when compared to the doddery, half-dead Windows XP that came with it.Nov 17 21:43
twitterYou must have screwed up the installation somehow.Nov 17 21:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] How does CC alter collaboration&sharing? http://bit.ly/dnDV5e part of series on CC #economics social welfare impactNov 17 21:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @sjvn: RT @TechJournalist: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 6 Aims For Government-Ready Security - LinuxPlanet http://bit.ly/9sKjgCNov 17 21:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The Linux desktop may soon be a lot faster http://is.gd/hjbUP #gnu #linuxNov 17 21:45
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twitterI have to agree with David because I'm using an older laptop that's basically a netbook daily.  What's more is that Xandros, for all of its faults, is even faster and does the non free Flash and other Trash PCPro craves.Nov 17 21:46
twitterW. Anderson  Says:Nov 17 21:47
twitterNovember 17th, 2010 at 3:07 pmNov 17 21:47
twitterI have made timing test on Asus eeePC with Ubuntu 10.10 netbook version against pre-installed Windows XP.Nov 17 21:47
twitter My results were different, resulting in Ubuntu boot times significantly faster, and applications startup equally faster on Ubuntu.Nov 17 21:47
twitter I used AbiWord instead of OpenOffice, and Google Chrome for browser, both of which are more suited to low power computer.Nov 17 21:47
twitterWhat does this mean for these small, individual test? Everyone consumer tester I used concluded that Ubuntu was aesthetically cleaner, and “appeared” to them to be more responsive.Nov 17 21:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Virtual Users And Domains With Postfix, Courier, MySQL And SquirrelMail (Ubuntu 10.10) http://is.gd/hjc9UNov 17 21:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] How to draw the little Pac-Man guys in Inkscape http://is.gd/hjcD4 #inkscape #gnu #linuxNov 17 21:48
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twitterW. Anderson  Says: I have made timing test on Asus eeePC with Ubuntu 10.10 netbook version against pre-installed Windows XP.Nov 17 21:49
twitter My results were different, resulting in Ubuntu boot times significantly faster, and applications startup equally faster on Ubuntu.Nov 17 21:49
twitter I used AbiWord instead of OpenOffice, and Google Chrome for browser, both of which are more suited to low power computer.Nov 17 21:49
twitterWhat does this mean for these small, individual test? Everyone consumer tester I used concluded that Ubuntu was aesthetically cleaner, and “appeared” to them to be more responsive.Nov 17 21:49
twitterIt seems that Anderson saw about the same thing too...Nov 17 21:49
twitterMalFal  Says:  It’ll be interesting how Ubuntu fares after the new scheduling patch is in. It’s supposed to give an incredible performance boost. I hope testing is redone with the updated kernel when it’s available.Nov 17 21:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I feel privileged to live alongside such a great musician. I wish I would've been born to see the Darkness tour. What wonderful music...Nov 17 21:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Bruce wrote the soundtrack to my life. That is all...Nov 17 21:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richardsmedley/@richardsmedley] RT @pietercolpaert «You can freely distribute this package as I do not believe in imaginary property.» #q Hanno ReinNov 17 21:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @webmink: Would you agree that rand terms leading to rf are so scarce that it's existance, though acknowledgeable, isn't representative?Nov 17 21:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dandart/@dandart] Where can I find a list of yet unmerged !linux patches? I wanna get the cool stuff that didn't make it for .37.Nov 17 21:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @fontana RT @x11r5 Man it has acquired sentienceNov 17 21:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bruce89/@bruce89] "I'm going to have to let you go" #TheApprenticeNov 17 22:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @schestowitz Oh, I hope he's ok. I loved his show.Nov 17 22:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemor/@freemor] Having fun with #cryptcat !crypto !cypherpunkNov 17 22:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @mairin @jonobacon #Ubuntu isn't interested in users of other ( #GNU ) #Linux distros?Nov 17 22:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mohanpram/@mohanpram] 12 Open Source Android Applications Worth Checking Out http://ur1.ca/2dc9e !androidNov 17 22:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @ender2070 And I always have been a RPM guy... ;-)Nov 17 22:10
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 12 Open Source Android Applications Worth Checking Out | Tech Drive-in .::. Size~: 54.43 KBNov 17 22:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @bkuhn: I don't believe you really lost a friend there...Nov 17 22:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] The history of Version Control (SCM blog): http://bit.ly/cFtzCkNov 17 22:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Plastic SCM blog: The version control timeline .::. Size~: 157.13 KBNov 17 22:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @rcweir: PC World: "3 More Reasons Not to Use Facebook Messages" http://bit.ly/ahCHUU #microsoft #officeNov 17 22:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 3 More Reasons Not to Use Facebook Messages - PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 67.15 KBNov 17 22:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Install Gnome2 Globalmenu In Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat http://bit.ly/cORe7UNov 17 22:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Install Gnome2 Globalmenu In Ubuntu 10.10 Maverick Meerkat ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog .::. Size~: 68.51 KBNov 17 22:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @didiermisson: RT @arnaud_thurudev: TGV : l’accès à Internet à 320 Km/h, par Wifi et sans coupure http://bit.ly/bvm3ldNov 17 22:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: TGV : l’accès à Internet à 320 Km/h, par Wifi et sans coupure  - PC INpact .::. Size~: 51.93 KBNov 17 22:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] if only snark could be used as fuel, we could solve this global energy crisis....Nov 17 22:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @HPLinux: HP+#Linux+ #AMDOCS set new benchmark for BHCA http://bit.ly/cpSL59Nov 17 22:40
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Amdocs Benchmark sets new record for Large-Volume Processing of Prepaid Voice, Data and Messaging .::. Size~: 104.18 KBNov 17 22:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] iPad's business use soars as HP backpedals on Slate's fit (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/chIWv9Nov 17 22:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: iPad's business use soars as HP backpedals on Slate's fit | Mobilize - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 92.09 KBNov 17 22:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] NY youth makes $130k selling real(-ish) white iPhone 4s (El Reg): http://bit.ly/a8Kh5lNov 17 22:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mairin/@mairin] for the record, this is the first time i've ever booted ubuntuNov 17 22:53
TechrightsBot-trTitle: NY youth makes $130k selling real(-ish) white iPhone 4s • reghardware .::. Size~: 19.4 KBNov 17 22:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] QMLSaver Is A Nice Clock Screensaver For Ubuntu http://bit.ly/9DxyPyNov 17 22:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: QMLSaver Is A Nice Clock Screensaver For Ubuntu ~ Web Upd8: Ubuntu / Linux blog .::. Size~: 67.31 KBNov 17 22:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] The next Ubuntu Global Jam is 1st - 3rd April 2011 - http://is.gd/hju2o - let's make this rock! #ubuntu #locoteams #ugj Please RTNov 17 23:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @bkuhn Come off it, Bradley. This is not a formal venue and that was what's called "humour" in these parts. Leave the PC for others.Nov 17 23:03
TechrightsBot-trTitle:                   Ubuntu Global Jam: Lets Make This Rock  | jonobacon@home                     .::. Size~: 25.84 KBNov 17 23:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @ruiseabra No, I don't think so. RAND terms are ubiquitous in standards yet they still get implemented as FOSS.Nov 17 23:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Mozilla Labs Night “Gaming Special” comes to London http://mzl.la/bvolVaNov 17 23:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Fascinated I posted a rant against RAND and still have people here behave like I am defending it.Nov 17 23:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mozilla Labs » Gaming  » Blog Archive   » Mozilla Labs Night Gaming Special comes to London .::. Size~: 18.63 KBNov 17 23:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @bkuhn Isn't that essentially what I said in my article though?Nov 17 23:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @bkuhn generally, yes, but it can be crafted in abnormal ways to be compatible - http://bit.ly/cqfvPcNov 17 23:08
TechrightsBot-trTitle: A (Final) Few Words on FRAND Licensing - Open Enterprise .::. Size~: 70.73 KBNov 17 23:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @webmink, I may have misread. My take-away was: "sometimes, #RAND works out for FLOSS, but usually doesn't." I don't agree w/ nuance.Nov 17 23:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @glynmoody, It's tough to get FLOSS hackers to follow patent licensing nuances, so simplifications help, ala "#RAND = #problematic"Nov 17 23:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bkuhn/@bkuhn] @glynmoody @webmink, my 1st yr CS teacher said: "We must lie a little here" b/c the nuances required prereqs we didn't have. Similar here.Nov 17 23:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @bkuhn I have to disclose that @davidmarsden and @andyc are among my favorite identica dentersNov 17 23:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] back in the crib. proverbial early wednesdayNov 17 23:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @bkuhn No. I assert RAND is the genetic marker for the opportunity for malpractice even if it does sometimes work out OK.Nov 17 23:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @webmink: Yes, but so are many strongly patent encumbered formats and protocols implemented as !fs... just look at mono or moonlightNov 17 23:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @bkuhn However, I believe a straight attack on "RAND" is easily refuted and sadly enemies of software freedom are now doing so.Nov 17 23:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @bkuhn RAND=Problematic is the correct flagging. "RAND is incompatible with GPL" is not.Nov 17 23:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @webmink: I don't think you defend rand, quite the opposite :)Nov 17 23:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @ruiseabra Just saying the problem is not RAND per se but what it permits, so our drive to eliminate RAND should focus on that & not RAND.Nov 17 23:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] RT @hook: The biggest threat to creative artists is not #piracy, but #obscurity: http://ur1.ca/2dcqy ; that's true!Nov 17 23:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Obscurity « Mimi and Eunice .::. Size~: 61.21 KBNov 17 23:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] Basketball Prodigy Brings Hoop Dreams to India | Playbook http://ur1.ca/2dctdNov 17 23:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @webmink: focus on upstream problem, no software patents equals no rand issues ;)Nov 17 23:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Basketball Prodigy Brings Hoop Dreams to India | Playbook .::. Size~: 63.75 KBNov 17 23:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Căsătoria şi alternativele posibile. Pe calea împlinirii şi sfinţeniei http://is.gd/hjCyDNov 17 23:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @gtktoolkit: WIP Porting guide to migrate from GTK+2 to GTK+3: http://ur1.ca/1xbzs #gnu #linuxNov 17 23:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @ruiseabra Let's do both. Making them useless is second best to stopping them existing...Nov 17 23:35
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Căsătoria ÅŸi alternativele posibile. Pe calea împlinirii ÅŸi sfinÅ£eniei « Cuvinte ortodoxe .::. Size~: 64.46 KBNov 17 23:35
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Migrating from GTK+ 2.x to GTK+ 3 .::. Size~: 19.92 KBNov 17 23:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[royhugo/@royhugo] ♺ @fcouchet: Des appels d'offres informatiques excluent explicitement le Logiciel Libre http://ur1.ca/2dcsy l'April et le CNLL réagissentNov 17 23:40
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Marchés publics : l'April se saisit de la question des appels d'offres informatiques illégaux | April .::. Size~: 26.72 KBNov 17 23:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] Warner Bros. vows to prosecute Deathly Hallows leaker http://ur1.ca/2dcvaNov 17 23:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] LibreOffice: "It is wrong to blame Oracle" http://is.gd/hjEYh #libreoffice #oooNov 17 23:45
TechrightsBot-trTitle: LibreOffice: "It is wrong to blame Oracle" - Innovationen - derStandard.at › Web .::. Size~: 123.16 KBNov 17 23:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] "Debian 6.0 Squeeze Release Update | Debian News" from http://news.debian.net/2010/11/17/debian-6-0-squeeze-release-update/Nov 17 23:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] "Slashdot Science Story | Bacteria Used To Fix Cracked Concrete" from http://ur1.ca/2dcwnNov 17 23:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] "BBC News - Minister Ed Vaizey backs 'two-speed' internet" from http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-11773574 #sucksNov 17 23:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[seeds/@seeds] "Debt collectors utilize Facebook to embarrass those who owe http://www.wtsp.com/news/mostpop/story.aspx?storyid=156762Nov 17 23:55
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