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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/66013712 http://identi.ca/conversation/65233755#notice-66013712 | Mar 04 05:22 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @agentsmith's status on Thursday, 03-Mar-11 23:44:28 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Good, a thing to keep my faith. | Mar 04 05:22 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm_: maybe you can advise... | Mar 04 05:59 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [03:53:37] <tessier>tail -f /var/log/httpd/*log| grep -i permission | Mar 04 06:01 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [03:54:13] <tessier>I notice a lot of permission denied errors. Also I have had to restart apache twice today because it seemed to become unresponsive. Gotta run, back in a bit... | Mar 04 06:01 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:34:49] <schestowitz>"plugins/wp-super-cache/wp-cache-phase2.php" | Mar 04 06:01 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:35:08] <schestowitz>I've cleared the cache, that's where it seems to come from | Mar 04 06:01 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:35:24] <tessier>Ok | Mar 04 06:01 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:35:37] <tessier>Still seems to be happening. | Mar 04 06:01 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:36:05] <tessier> [Thu Mar 03 21:33:18 2011] [error] [client 216.105.40.123] PHP Warning: fopen(/home/boycottn/public_html/wp-content/cache/meta/16116037514d70799e7fd2d8.29908978.tmp) [<a href='function.fopen'>function.fopen</a>]: failed to open stream: Permission denied in /home/boycottn/public_html/wp-content/plugins/wp-super-cache/wp-cache-phase2.php on line 521 | Mar 04 06:01 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:36:14] <schestowitz>Yeah | Mar 04 06:01 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:38:18] <schestowitz> /wp-cache-phase2.php on line 521 and line 526 are named... | Mar 04 06:01 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:39:11] <schestowitz>The cache does not appear to be working | Mar 04 06:01 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:40:05] <schestowitz>Oh, it does cache some pages actually | Mar 04 06:01 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:40:41] <tessier>Which cache is or isn't working? The wordpress cache? Or the squid cache? | Mar 04 06:01 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:41:37] <schestowitz>I'm checking supercache and it still caches OK | Mar 04 06:01 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:42:00] <schestowitz>I've just disabled it | Mar 04 06:01 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:43:44] <schestowitz>[Thu Mar 03 21:37:22 2011] [error] [client 216.105.40.123] PHP Warning: fopen(/home/boycottn/public_html/wp-content/cache/meta/4352764934d707a92e21369.88692361.tmp) [<a href='function.fopen'>function.fopen</a>]: failed to open stream: Permission denied in /home/boycottn/public_html/wp-content/plugins/wp-super-cache/wp-cache-phase2.php on line 521, referer: http://techrights.org/ | Mar 04 06:01 |
| schestowitz | 2009/01/19/ | Mar 04 06:01 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:43:53] <schestowitz>as soon as I re-enabled it | Mar 04 06:01 |
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| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:44:33] <schestowitz>[Thu Mar 03 21:40:30 2011] [error] [client 216.105.40.123] PHP Warning: unlink(./extensions/cache//7fbe8fd02eeff9a457b78e203c467f4a.spc) [<a href='function.unlink'>function.unlink</a>]: Permission denied in /home/boycottn/public_html/wiki/extensions/simplepie.inc on line 8669 | Mar 04 06:01 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:45:09] <schestowitz>That's wiki related | Mar 04 06:01 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:47:10] <schestowitz-roy>[05:41] <schestowitz> I'm checking supercache and it still caches OK | Mar 04 06:01 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:47:10] <schestowitz-roy>[05:42] <schestowitz> I've just disabled it | Mar 04 06:01 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:47:10] <schestowitz-roy>[05:43] <schestowitz> [Thu Mar 03 21:37:22 2011] [error] [client 216.105.40.123] PHP Warning: fopen(/home/boycottn/public_html/wp-content/cache/meta/4352764934d707a92e21369.88692361.tmp) [<a href='function.fopen'>function.fopen</a>]: failed to open stream: Permission denied in /home/boycottn/public_html/wp-content/plugins/wp-super-cache/wp-cache-phase2.php on line 521, | Mar 04 06:01 |
| schestowitz | referer: http://techrights.org/2009/01/19/ | Mar 04 06:01 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:47:10] <schestowitz-roy>[05:43] <schestowitz> as soon as I re-enabled it | Mar 04 06:01 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: 2009 January 19 | Techrights .::. Size~: 164.65 KB | Mar 04 06:01 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:47:10] <schestowitz-roy>[05:44] <schestowitz> [Thu Mar 03 21:40:30 2011] [error] [client 216.105.40.123] PHP Warning: unlink(./extensions/cache//7fbe8fd02eeff9a457b78e203c467f4a.spc) [<a href='function.unlink'>function.unlink</a>]: Permission denied in /home/boycottn/public_html/wiki/extensions/simplepie.inc on line 8669 | Mar 04 06:01 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:47:10] <schestowitz-roy>[05:45] <schestowitz> That's wiki related | Mar 04 06:02 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:48:56] <schestowitz-roy>Server down (HTTP at least)? | Mar 04 06:02 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:51:23] <tessier>Checking it out...I'm doing something on the proxy which appears to have had an unintended side effect of really slowing things down. | Mar 04 06:02 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:51:50] <schestowitz-roy>It seems to be not wordpress-specific | Mar 04 06:02 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:52:05] <schestowitz-roy>I saw some wiki code yielding similar error/warning | Mar 04 06:02 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:52:32] <tessier>Weird. squid just quit. It is restarted now. | Mar 04 06:02 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:52:39] <tessier>I really need to move it off onto its own server. | Mar 04 06:02 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:54:17] <tessier>wait, it's not going through squid, it's going through varnish. Nevermind. Unrelated. | Mar 04 06:02 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:56:51] <schestowitz>:- | Mar 04 06:02 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:57:36] <tessier>Things seem to be working. Not sure what the problem may have been. | Mar 04 06:02 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:57:59] <schestowitz>We still get the same permission warnings i | Mar 04 06:02 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:58:09] <schestowitz>If the cache is enabled | Mar 04 06:02 |
| schestowitz | [Friday 04 Mar 2011] [05:58:36] <schestowitz>I suppose I could disable CMS cache | Mar 04 06:02 |
| schestowitz | [06:12] <schestowitz> The following error seems to suggest maybe just a write error or something (no permission), it's not wordpress related | Mar 04 06:12 |
| schestowitz | [06:12] <schestowitz> [Thu Mar 03 22:08:30 2011] [error] [client 216.105.40.123] PHP Warning: unlink(./extensions/cache//7fbe8fd02eeff9a457b78e203c467f4a.spc) [<a href='function.unlink'>function.unlink</a>]: Permission denied in /home/boycottn/public_html/wiki/extensions/simplepie.inc on line 8669 | Mar 04 06:12 |
| schestowitz |  | Mar 04 06:16 |
| schestowitz | [06:15] <tessier> Right. I'm not sure how that could be though. The file permissions look correct. | Mar 04 06:16 |
| schestowitz | [06:16] <schestowitz> I haven't changed anything in the filesystem/homedir for a while | Mar 04 06:16 |
| schestowitz | [06:16] <tessier> No idea how long those messages have been going on. It doesn't seem to be actually breaking anything does it? | Mar 04 06:17 |
| schestowitz | [06:17] <schestowitz> Where the warnings a new thing (tonight) or just something that has gone on quietly for a longer while? | Mar 04 06:17 |
| schestowitz | [06:17] <schestowitz> exactly, nothing seems broken, I stress-tested when you mentioned it | Mar 04 06:17 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Hmm identica is kind of addictive aye? | Mar 04 06:25 |
| schestowitz | yes | Mar 04 06:31 |
| schestowitz | [06:23] <tessier> They may have been going on quietly for a long time. I don't normally look at the logfiles much. | Mar 04 06:32 |
| schestowitz | [06:57] <sebsebseb> hmm I have found a sort of interesting troll page about you | Mar 04 06:59 |
| schestowitz | [06:57] <sebsebseb> pretty recent as well | Mar 04 06:59 |
| schestowitz | You don't need to PM it | Mar 04 06:59 |
| schestowitz | And you don't need to highlight troll pages, either | Mar 04 06:59 |
| schestowitz | They may exist, it doesn't mean we should pay attention to them | Mar 04 07:00 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/66047357 | Mar 04 07:02 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Narendra Sisodiya (nsisodiya)'s status on Friday, 04-Mar-11 06:31:11 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz We need a article against MSP (microsoft student partner) - this is a dangerous mindwash program.. | Mar 04 07:02 |
| schestowitz | We have an article about it at http://techrights.org/2009/03/16/india-moves-to-free-software/ | Mar 04 07:03 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: India Moves to Free Software, So Microsoft Fights Back with Gentle Bribes and Partners | Techrights .::. Size~: 164.08 KB | Mar 04 07:03 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: why do you copy in stuff from identica and such? | Mar 04 07:03 |
| sebsebseb | and Twiter and such | Mar 04 07:03 |
| schestowitz | copy? | Mar 04 07:06 |
| oiaohm_ | schestowitz: Just got back to terminal I guess you have checked the basics of file permissions. | Mar 04 07:26 |
| oiaohm_ | schestowitz: with that cache problem. | Mar 04 07:26 |
| schestowitz | I haven't actually | Mar 04 07:28 |
| schestowitz | That might be it | Mar 04 07:28 |
| schestowitz | But the question is, which file | Mar 04 07:29 |
| schestowitz | And also, the wiki yields similar errors | Mar 04 07:29 |
| schestowitz | And it doesn't use the same caching plugin | Mar 04 07:29 |
| oiaohm_ | /home/boycottn/public_html/wp-content/plugins/wp-super-cache/wp-cache-phase2.php on line 521 << Ie clue | Mar 04 07:29 |
| oiaohm_ | failed to open always permissions are the first thing to cross my mind. | Mar 04 07:30 |
| oiaohm_ | Next is missing files. | Mar 04 07:30 |
| oiaohm_ | /home/boycottn/public_html/wp-content/cache/meta/4352764934d707a92e21369.88692361.tmp << Does this file exist? | Mar 04 07:31 |
| oiaohm_ | Can it create data in meta | Mar 04 07:31 |
| oiaohm_ | And really I wish php would develop a form of generic cache system so that cache files could be put outside http zones. | Mar 04 07:32 |
| schestowitz | I see the point, but.. | Mar 04 07:41 |
| schestowitz | It's not too bad for cache files to be public | Mar 04 07:41 |
| schestowitz | The files does not exist, but maybe has expired | Mar 04 07:42 |
| schestowitz | Let me check a newer one | Mar 04 07:42 |
| schestowitz | Files are being created OK in this directory and seem to be correctly-built files | Mar 04 07:43 |
| schestowitz | Not sure about their permission, they oughtn't have changed | Mar 04 07:44 |
| schestowitz | But there's a clue in the similar error coming from the wiki software | Mar 04 07:44 |
| schestowitz | Same type of error, so it's probably not a wordpress issue at all | Mar 04 07:44 |
| schestowitz | Ouch. Site down.. | Mar 04 07:47 |
| oiaohm_ | schestowitz: Mostly that I would like to have the software core read only. cache and databases split. Cache normally does not need to execute anything. | Mar 04 07:49 |
| oiaohm_ | schestowitz: and same goes with database its altering data no code. | Mar 04 07:49 |
| oiaohm_ | no code/not code | Mar 04 07:49 |
| schestowitz | I restarted apache and it still wouldn't go... | Mar 04 07:50 |
| oiaohm_ | schestowitz: basically its a secuirty niggle I have about php. | Mar 04 07:50 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/66052569 | Mar 04 07:54 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Kev Macphail (kevie)'s status on Friday, 04-Mar-11 07:45:30 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz that's a link to a Debian 6 review, not Fedora 15 | Mar 04 07:54 |
| schestowitz | oops | Mar 04 07:54 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/66052886 | Mar 04 07:55 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @Dagan McGregor (ardrigh)'s status on Friday, 04-Mar-11 07:50:22 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz: Your link for that 'review' goes to a LJ article on Debian 6? | Mar 04 07:55 |
| schestowitz | OK, back | Mar 04 08:02 |
| schestowitz | [07:49] <schestowitz> Site down | Mar 04 08:02 |
| schestowitz | [07:50] <schestowitz> I restarted apache and it still wouldn't go... | Mar 04 08:02 |
| schestowitz |  | Mar 04 08:02 |
| schestowitz | [08:00] <tessier> ok, fixed. A change I made on the varnish server messed things up. It is far too finnicky. I will move it onto a separate machine soon so this stops happening. Sorry about that. | Mar 04 08:02 |
| schestowitz | [08:01] <schestowitz> No problem, thanks so much for looking into it | Mar 04 08:02 |
| schestowitz | [08:01] <schestowitz> I've asked another person about the cache issue | Mar 04 08:02 |
| schestowitz | [08:01] <schestowitz> I also looked at the code for clues | Mar 04 08:02 |
| schestowitz | [08:02] <schestowitz> It doesn't seem to be wordpress specific as the wiki too throws a fit | Mar 04 08:02 |
| oiaohm_ | varnish is highly powerful but it is touchy little devil. schestowitz | Mar 04 08:48 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, it saved us from heavy loads | Mar 04 08:49 |
| oiaohm_ | You could be running into Linux issues as well. | Mar 04 08:50 |
| oiaohm_ | varnish can sometime stress the network stack to a point that other thing cannot get time to talk. | Mar 04 08:50 |
| oiaohm_ | Yes handling high loads make varnish a high load problem in it self. | Mar 04 08:51 |
| schestowitz | Been weird in recent days... technical issues | Mar 04 08:56 |
| oiaohm_ | Also I am wondering what is going on as well. | Mar 04 09:35 |
| oiaohm_ | Since the techical issues have not just been limited to tessier systems. | Mar 04 09:35 |
| oiaohm_ | None of the ones I look after but other people I know have had some issues as well. schestowitz | Mar 04 09:38 |
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| gnufreex | schestowitz: Wrt yestereday's topic: http://www.rferl.org/content/kosovo_role_frankfurt_terror_deaths/2326882.html http://www.rferl.org/content/frankfurt/2326097.html "How can one shoot against a helping hand?" | Mar 04 13:20 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Kosovo's Unwelcome Role In Frankfurt Terror Deaths - Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty © 2011 .::. Size~: 57.5 KB | Mar 04 13:20 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Germany Suspects Airport Gunman Was 'Islamist' - Radio Free Europe / Radio Liberty © 2011 .::. Size~: 57.04 KB | Mar 04 13:20 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: I don't know enough about it | Mar 04 13:25 |
| schestowitz | I was too young at the time | Mar 04 13:25 |
| gnufreex | 1999 | Mar 04 13:25 |
| schestowitz | And this one I did not ehar about in the news | Mar 04 13:25 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: yeah | Mar 04 13:25 |
| gnufreex | But this is now | Mar 04 13:25 |
| schestowitz | The war goes further back | Mar 04 13:25 |
| schestowitz | A friend of mine from Norway fought with NATO | Mar 04 13:26 |
| gnufreex | Well, it goes back to 1389 | Mar 04 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Heh | Mar 04 13:26 |
| gnufreex | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kosovo | Mar 04 13:26 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Battle of Kosovo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 110.66 KB | Mar 04 13:26 |
| schestowitz | "The suspect in yesterday's tragedy is Arid Uka, a 21-year-old Kosovo Albanian, born and raised in Germany, where his family has lived for four decades." | Mar 04 13:26 |
| schestowitz | My family is from there too | Mar 04 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Although some of us are in the UK | Mar 04 13:27 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: is wikipediaa accurate on this subject? | Mar 04 13:27 |
| gnufreex | Well... I think nobody is 100% accurate on that subject | Mar 04 13:27 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Mar 04 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Depends on whose side gets more emphasis | Mar 04 13:28 |
| gnufreex | Yeah | Mar 04 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Usuually the winning side | Mar 04 13:28 |
| gnufreex | It is pretty interesting topic | Mar 04 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Kosovo is never in intl' news | Mar 04 13:28 |
| schestowitz | So all people remember is Kosovo=Milo | Mar 04 13:28 |
| gnufreex | What's Milo? | Mar 04 13:29 |
| schestowitz | The war criminal | Mar 04 13:29 |
| schestowitz | I can't do the accents thing | Mar 04 13:29 |
| schestowitz | Unless I go to wikipedia and pretend to be all smart with the accents on letter :-) | Mar 04 13:29 |
| schestowitz | BTW. the Onion is back | Mar 04 13:30 |
| schestowitz | New pro-Microsoft spin | Mar 04 13:30 |
| gnufreex | Mar 04 13:30 | |
| schestowitz | I suppose you saw | Mar 04 13:30 |
| gnufreex | And Microsoft | Mar 04 13:30 |
| gnufreex | Fighting for world? | Mar 04 13:30 |
| schestowitz | Slashshot got poisoned against | Mar 04 13:30 |
| schestowitz | Yes, Google LOVES Microsoft | Mar 04 13:30 |
| schestowitz | Apparently | Mar 04 13:30 |
| schestowitz | Says Microsoft | Mar 04 13:30 |
| schestowitz | It's just that Microsoft sued Android a lot | Mar 04 13:30 |
| schestowitz | But Flaurry says they're buddies | Mar 04 13:30 |
| oiaohm_ | Really the party attacked both. | Mar 04 13:43 |
| oiaohm_ | So it does not make them friends. | Mar 04 13:43 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: I didn't check facts on Onion's article, is it pipe dream or they really work together? oiaohm | Mar 04 14:39 |
| oiaohm_ | gnufreex: Google and MS attacked by the same patent both will work with each other temp to deal with problem. | Mar 04 14:44 |
| oiaohm_ | Its a bit of a cease fire very temp to deal with a smaller annoyance. | Mar 04 14:44 |
| gnufreex | What is happening wit i4i case? | Mar 04 14:47 |
| gnufreex | That is very interesting, since it is good in any way you spin it | Mar 04 14:48 |
| gnufreex | If MSFT loses, they pay lots of money | Mar 04 14:48 |
| gnufreex | And that is proof that system stifles inovation | Mar 04 14:48 |
| gnufreex | And if they win | Mar 04 14:48 |
| gnufreex | That shows that small inovators can defend themselves | Mar 04 14:49 |
| gnufreex | And that patents are useless for small companies | Mar 04 14:49 |
| gnufreex | So they should be thrown out | Mar 04 14:49 |
| MinceR | if m$ wins, how does that prove that small innovators can defend themselves? | Mar 04 14:49 |
| gnufreex | can't | Mar 04 14:49 |
| MinceR | oh. | Mar 04 14:49 |
| gnufreex | typo | Mar 04 14:49 |
| MinceR | i4i are innovators now? | Mar 04 14:49 |
| MinceR | i thought they were patent trolls | Mar 04 14:50 |
| gnufreex | Well, if they lose they are | Mar 04 14:50 |
| gnufreex | :-) | Mar 04 14:50 |
| gnufreex | They claim they are | Mar 04 14:50 |
| MinceR | or they couldn't afford good enough lawyers/bribes | Mar 04 14:50 |
| gnufreex | i4i is not typical troll | Mar 04 14:50 |
| gnufreex | They have products | Mar 04 14:50 |
| gnufreex | And better products than MSFT | Mar 04 14:50 |
| gnufreex | MSFT riped and stole their ideas after the blow them off in partnership deal | Mar 04 14:51 |
| gnufreex | It is like Sendo | Mar 04 14:51 |
| gnufreex | They wanted to partner | Mar 04 14:51 |
| gnufreex | And when they saw their stuff, they ran with it | Mar 04 14:51 |
| gnufreex | Borged it into Word | Mar 04 14:52 |
| gnufreex | And left i4i with nothing | Mar 04 14:52 |
| oiaohm_ | MinceR: i4i case is worse than it seams. Its not just patent infringement is also copyright infringement. | Mar 04 14:52 |
| oiaohm_ | MinceR: i4i wrote the code MS is using. | Mar 04 14:52 |
| gnufreex | There is MSFT internal mail that i4i brought up on trial. | Mar 04 14:52 |
| gnufreex | They say "We are making i4i obsolete with their own ideas" | Mar 04 14:53 |
| gnufreex | And now MSFT thies to deform patents system | Mar 04 14:53 |
| MinceR | oiaohm_: ic | Mar 04 14:53 |
| gnufreex | to get a free pas | Mar 04 14:53 |
| oiaohm_ | MS thought i4i was too small to be able to fight. | Mar 04 14:54 |
| gnufreex | oiaohm_ I didn't know there is copyright? | Mar 04 14:54 |
| gnufreex | I thought they just reimplemented i4i code | Mar 04 14:54 |
| oiaohm_ | Including i4i documentation in the code. gnufreex | Mar 04 14:55 |
| gnufreex | i4i made a mistake that they didn't make MS sign non-compete clause before seeing their code. | Mar 04 14:55 |
| gnufreex | That is must when someone deals with MS | Mar 04 14:55 |
| gnufreex | Since they don't have that contract, they must try with patents | Mar 04 14:56 |
| oiaohm_ | i4i case really should be a slam dunk against MS. | Mar 04 14:57 |
| gnufreex | And Microsoft tries to paint them as patent troll, obsfucating information that they have some products. | Mar 04 14:57 |
| oiaohm_ | With tripple damages. | Mar 04 14:57 |
| gnufreex | Under MS definition, they claim patent trolls don't have products. | Mar 04 14:57 |
| gnufreex | So i4i is not | Mar 04 14:57 |
| gnufreex | Or else | Mar 04 14:57 |
| oiaohm_ | Worst part for i4i is at first MS tried to claim they had completely invented the system. | Mar 04 14:57 |
| gnufreex | MS is patent troll too | Mar 04 14:57 |
| gnufreex | And they should admit it | Mar 04 14:58 |
| gnufreex | if they want to call i4i a troll | Mar 04 14:58 |
| oiaohm_ | i4i was selling a product. | Mar 04 14:58 |
| oiaohm_ | a library | Mar 04 14:58 |
| oiaohm_ | So how by MS define are they a troll. | Mar 04 14:58 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Mar 04 14:59 |
| oiaohm_ | i4i is spyglass all over again. | Mar 04 14:59 |
| MinceR | i think it's a mistake to deal with m$ at all, except for fighting m$ | Mar 04 14:59 |
| gnufreex | No, by MS standards, trolls have no products. | Mar 04 14:59 |
| gnufreex | Hence, i4i is not Microsoft-certified troll | Mar 04 14:59 |
| gnufreex | But they are troll in real world | Mar 04 14:59 |
| gnufreex | And MS is troll in real world | Mar 04 14:59 |
| oiaohm_ | Yet MS called them a troll gnufreex | Mar 04 15:00 |
| oiaohm_ | Notice MS double standards here. | Mar 04 15:00 |
| gnufreex | Yes | Mar 04 15:00 |
| oiaohm_ | They change a define to suit them. | Mar 04 15:00 |
| gnufreex | exactly | Mar 04 15:00 |
| gnufreex | Microsoft has patent trolling division. | Mar 04 15:00 |
| gnufreex | With Horacio Gutierez | Mar 04 15:01 |
| gnufreex | as CEO | Mar 04 15:01 |
| gnufreex | <oiaohm_> i4i case really should be a slam dunk against MS. | Mar 04 15:02 |
| gnufreex | If MS ends up not paying, that means patent system should be thrown out | Mar 04 15:02 |
| gnufreex | It is useless | Mar 04 15:02 |
| gnufreex | MS can steal anyways | Mar 04 15:02 |
| MinceR | we already know the patent system should be thrown out | Mar 04 15:02 |
| gnufreex | Yeah, but this brakes last argument | Mar 04 15:02 |
| gnufreex | That little companies can take out patents | Mar 04 15:02 |
| gnufreex | To defend themselves | Mar 04 15:03 |
| gnufreex | Well, this proves they can't | Mar 04 15:03 |
| MinceR | that argument never held water | Mar 04 15:03 |
| MinceR | when big companies can take out thousands of patents to crush the little ones with | Mar 04 15:03 |
| gnufreex | yes | Mar 04 15:03 |
| MinceR | and that's assuming that the little one doesn't lose the case due to not having a big enough army of lawyers | Mar 04 15:03 |
| MinceR | or not being to afford to buy the judge | Mar 04 15:03 |
| MinceR | s/ing/& able/ | Mar 04 15:03 |
| gnufreex | But we don't have high profile case to point that | Mar 04 15:05 |
| gnufreex | i4i could be one | Mar 04 15:05 |
| gnufreex | There is smaller cases | Mar 04 15:05 |
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| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: I remember you were looking around Switzerland. Just got this: | Mar 04 16:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 04 16:41 |
| schestowitz | SEC RECRUITMENT LIMITED | Mar 04 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Tel: +44 20 7255 6600 Fax: +44 (0) 1483 888997 | Mar 04 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Mar 04 16:41 | |
| schestowitz | The following vacancy may be suitable for you. If it is not then please | Mar 04 16:41 |
| schestowitz | accept our apologies and update us as soon as possible with your current skills. | Mar 04 16:41 |
| schestowitz | If you do not wish to receive email notification of vacancies which may suit you then please call us. | Mar 04 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Mar 04 16:41 | |
| schestowitz | Ref: 631661 | Mar 04 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Location: ZURICH | Mar 04 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Role: Senior UI/Web developer/ 6Month contract/ASAP/CHF500-day | Mar 04 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Contact: YASH CHINNIAH | Mar 04 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Email: yash.chinniah@secrecruitment.com | Mar 04 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Start: 01-Apr-2011 | Mar 04 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Duration: 6mths | Mar 04 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Desc: | Mar 04 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Senior UI/Web developer/ 6Month contract/ASAP/CHF500-day | Mar 04 16:41 |
| schestowitz | " | Mar 04 16:41 |
| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: yeah i'd love to be in Zurich but need more than a contract | Mar 04 16:55 |
| schestowitz | You can find a connection while you're there | Mar 04 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, no idea why they sent this to me | Mar 04 17:04 |
| schestowitz | But some of these contracts tend to be for banks that pay out obscene amounts... not that I would work for banksters | Mar 04 17:04 |
| schestowitz | I call it loot-sharing | Mar 04 17:04 |
| schestowitz | When corrupt companies defend their existence by saying how much they pay their employees (family, kids, sentimental blackmail) | Mar 04 17:05 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/66090373 | Mar 04 17:09 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @U Avalos (ikaruga2099)'s status on Friday, 04-Mar-11 16:33:46 UTC - Identi.ca: @txt @schestowitz ditto that. | Mar 04 17:09 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/ml2mst/statuses/43633581960081408 | Mar 04 17:12 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @ml2mst: @ghostler I don't know if Mark and Keith are on identi.ca. Yet I know for sure that the majority of http://techrights.org is ;-) | Mar 04 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2011/03/01/banshee-vs-canonical/ | Mar 04 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Sigh | Mar 04 17:13 |
| schestowitz | >> http://twitter.com/jospoortvliet/statuses/43667256042995712 | Mar 04 17:13 |
| schestowitz | OpenSUSE community manager... | Mar 04 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Just gives it more visibility | Mar 04 17:13 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/jospoortvliet/statuses/43667256042995712 | Mar 04 17:14 |
| schestowitz | Odd.. bug? | Mar 04 17:14 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/jospoortvliet/statuses/43667639352041472 | Mar 04 17:15 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Title: Novell’s (Microsoft-Funded) Anti-Ubuntu Propaganda | Techrights .::. Size~: 104.85 KB | Mar 04 17:16 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @jospoortvliet: http://bit.ly/hLD7v2 hilarious techrights article - you have to twist yourself in weird positions to see things this way :D | Mar 04 17:16 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: Novell’s (Microsoft-Funded) Anti-Ubuntu Propaganda | Techrights .::. Size~: 104.85 KB | Mar 04 17:16 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @jospoortvliet: http://bit.ly/hLD7v2 hilarious techrights article - you have to twist yourself in weird positions to see things this way :D | Mar 04 17:17 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | -> Title: Novell’s (Microsoft-Funded) Anti-Ubuntu Propaganda | Techrights .::. Size~: 104.85 KB | Mar 04 17:17 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @jospoortvliet: @schestowitz your article about Banshee gave me a good laugh, I really love how twisted you can think sometimes hehe, keep it up :D | Mar 04 17:17 |
| schestowitz | Why do some people think embargo is appealing/ alluring? | Mar 04 19:07 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Roy, | Mar 04 19:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 04 19:07 |
| schestowitz | > On Tuesday, OpenLogic <http://openlogic.com/> will reveal the results of | Mar 04 19:07 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 301 Moved Permanently | Mar 04 19:07 |
| schestowitz | > their new Mobile App research. Among the findings: | Mar 04 19:07 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 04 19:07 |
| schestowitz | > - X% of iPhone and Android apps containing open source fail to comply | Mar 04 19:07 |
| schestowitz | > with OSS licenses | Mar 04 19:08 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 04 19:08 |
| schestowitz | > Also looked at: | Mar 04 19:08 |
| schestowitz | > - What % of apps use open-source code? | Mar 04 19:08 |
| schestowitz | > - Differences between iPhone and Android apps in terms of open source usage | Mar 04 19:08 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 04 19:08 |
| schestowitz | > If you can hold the embargo until Tuesday, I'm happy to share the | Mar 04 19:08 |
| schestowitz | > research results with you. | Mar 04 19:08 |
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| qu1j0t3 | schestowitz: http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2011/mar/04/daily-star-reporter-letter-full?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed:+theguardian/media/rss+%28Media%29 | Mar 04 20:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.boingboing.net/2011/03/04/muslim-student-sues.html | Mar 04 20:29 |
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| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: Is it Murdoch too? | Mar 04 20:29 |
| qu1j0t3 | no, but the agenda isn't really distinguishable http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daily_Mail | Mar 04 20:30 |
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| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/66108857 | Mar 04 20:32 |
| TechrightsBot-sc | @satipera (satipera)'s status on Friday, 04-Mar-11 20:26:53 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Just looked Groklaw and Phoronix are on Identi.ca do not know if genuine | Mar 04 20:32 |
| schestowitz | the latter is legit | Mar 04 20:32 |
| schestowitz | qu1j0t3: it's known by its page 3 | Mar 04 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Daily Fail | Mar 04 20:33 |
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| schestowitz | Wow | Mar 04 22:43 |
| schestowitz | Back to the Future.. | Mar 04 22:43 |
| schestowitz | > From: Mel Eckerstrom <m_eckerstrom@yahoo.com> | Mar 04 22:43 |
| schestowitz | > Subject: I saw your response to a post dated 2006 | Mar 04 22:43 |
| schestowitz | > To: roy@schestowitz.com | Mar 04 22:43 |
| schestowitz | > Date: Friday, March 4, 2011, 1:13 PM | Mar 04 22:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 04 22:43 |
| schestowitz | > and you seem knowledgable about palm software, my hope is you can | Mar 04 22:43 |
| schestowitz | > point me in the right direction. | Mar 04 22:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 04 22:43 |
| schestowitz | > I really hope I can get some help w/this. Last week my hard drive | Mar 04 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > crashed. I have most everything up except my palm desktop. I have | Mar 04 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > the entire XP folder saved to a thumb drive from prior to the crash | Mar 04 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > but I dont know how to get the info from the thumb drive to the | Mar 04 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > reinstalled XP. Has anyone done this before? What files are my | Mar 04 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > datebook and address book in (on the thumb)? | Mar 04 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Mar 04 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > Thanks in advance, | Mar 04 22:44 |
| schestowitz | > Mel | Mar 04 22:44 |
| schestowitz | There are PDB files that contain all the data and these files can be passed to a Palm device by overriding the default ones. It should not be hard, the documentation is on the Web. | Mar 04 22:44 |
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| qu1j0t3 | http://bahumbug.wordpress.com/2011/02/25/keeping-your-friends-close/ | Mar 04 23:56 |
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