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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/piyushp_20/statuses/44704065053143041Mar 07 11:01
TechrightsBot-sc@piyushp_20: @nsisodiya @schestowitz why do u feel so guys bout d msp program..??Mar 07 11:01
schestowitzLOLMar 07 11:01
schestowitzMSP -Microsoft student peonsMar 07 11:02
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schestowitzoiaohm: I had another pass through the site http://schestowitz.com/c/Mar 13 14:12
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Schestowitz » Scientific Freedom .::. Size~: 19.55 KBMar 13 14:12
schestowitzBasically, if there's work or someone based in Australia, then you can get businessMar 13 14:12
schestowitzI'm assuming qu1j0t3 and Quadrescence too as only implicitly included (not named) would be OKMar 13 14:13
oiaohmschestowitz:  Banner upto of site hope there is something else planed on there.Mar 13 14:16
oiaohmLot of screen space. in it for 2 lines of text.Mar 13 14:17
schestowitzoiaohm: banner is not final, not so polished eitherMar 13 14:18
schestowitzoiaohm: and yes, it's shortMar 13 14:18
schestowitzCause it's more like a brochureMar 13 14:18
schestowitzJust something to have people get in touch for contract workMar 13 14:18
oiaohmContent is the hard bit.Mar 13 14:25
oiaohmIts like a newpaper all the best hooks have to be on the front page.Mar 13 14:25
schestowitzI put some image slidersMar 13 14:25
schestowitzsebsebseb: about marketing, without disclosing who the chat was with, here goes:Mar 13 14:26
schestowitz"Mar 13 14:26
schestowitz> Hi!Mar 13 14:26
schestowitzHello! Was wondering about you...Mar 13 14:26
schestowitzApologies for a belated response. I moved into the house on Tuesday and BT has not connected the broadband connection yet. I finally got a dongle, which allows me to use cellular networks to connect to the Internet in the interim.Mar 13 14:26
schestowitz> Well, I imagine you're in the process of moving this week, and gettingMar 13 14:26
schestowitz> things sorted out at your new home.  Moving is always such an adventure.Mar 13 14:26
schestowitz> From the picture you sent it looks like a nice comfortable place with lotsMar 13 14:26
schestowitz> of light and space.Mar 13 14:26
schestowitzYes, it's nice!Mar 13 14:26
schestowitz> Do you have a balcony too? If so, that could be a great place to have a niceMar 13 14:26
schestowitz> cup of tea on quiet sunny mornings, in the summertime.Mar 13 14:26
schestowitzNo balcony :-( :-(Mar 13 14:26
schestowitz> For me, early mornings are the best time of day. Weather permitting, IMar 13 14:26
schestowitz> always spend some time outside, listening to the birds chirp and watchingMar 13 14:26
schestowitz> the stars fade as the sun comes up.  I especially love rainy mornings, butMar 13 14:26
schestowitz> they are very rare here (I imagine they're not quite so rare where you are).Mar 13 14:26
schestowitzRain is common enough here to be loathed :-)Mar 13 14:26
schestowitz> Anyway, I have a little extra time this morning to catch up with emails.  IMar 13 14:26
schestowitz> actually started writing this one last week, but never had time to properlyMar 13 14:26
schestowitz> finish it up...so I'll try to get this sent today.Mar 13 14:26
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:26
schestowitz> Before I go further though...You mentioned Nina Paley, and said you didn'tMar 13 14:27
schestowitz> know what she looked like.  lol  - I can't believe I'm going to say this,Mar 13 14:27
schestowitz> but... "Here, let me Google that for you." (Her picture is attached).Mar 13 14:27
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:27
schestowitz> ;)Mar 13 14:27
schestowitzFantastic! Thanks.Mar 13 14:27
schestowitz> What kept me from finishing this sooner were some rather astoundingMar 13 14:27
schestowitz> statements you made in your last reply to me.  Mostly because I couldn't beMar 13 14:27
schestowitz> sure how to take them or how to respond.  Were they aimed at me? I couldn'tMar 13 14:27
schestowitz> tell, really, but they did seem a little accusatory at first glance.Mar 13 14:27
schestowitzI'm quite shocked if I said something upsetting? Who, me?! Must be just how it looks in text.. :-)Mar 13 14:27
schestowitz> Since I know you'd never mean to be unkind, I decided to read them again andMar 13 14:27
schestowitz> think about my answers a little more before I wrote back.  So, below areMar 13 14:27
schestowitz> those answers.Mar 13 14:27
schestowitzThanks, let me reread and respond. Mar 13 14:27
schestowitz"Mar 13 14:27
sebsebsebuh I have to guess who said what with that?Mar 13 14:28
sebsebseband what's that got to do with Mageia, I see nothing so farMar 13 14:28
sebsebsebschestowitz: ?Mar 13 14:29
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schestowitzsebsebseb: yeah, just checking there's no identifying details...Mar 13 14:38
schestowitz"Mar 13 14:39
schestowitz> ......................................................Mar 13 14:39
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:39
schestowitz> ~ On the subject of Corporations vs. small, single-owner, independentMar 13 14:39
schestowitz> businesses...Mar 13 14:39
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:39
schestowitz> You wrote: *"One's own business is also corporate. Contribution to societyMar 13 14:39
schestowitz> cannot be measured in terms of money; sometimes the relation ends up anMar 13 14:39
schestowitz> inversion; richest people are often exploiting the most, suggests a lot ofMar 13 14:39
schestowitz> evidence."*Mar 13 14:39
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:39
schestowitz> I've mulled this over all week, and still am not quite sure how you mightMar 13 14:39
schestowitz> have applied that statement to me.  All I can conclude is that you'veMar 13 14:39
schestowitz> somehow misunderstood something I've written to you.Mar 13 14:40
schestowitzOh, this was not said in reference to you. Relates to me and Satipera debating capitalism the other week... :-)Mar 13 14:40
schestowitz> For the record, I am not a corporation.  I have no CEO, COO, CFO, no BoardMar 13 14:40
schestowitz> of Directors, or investors, or franchises, or much of anything, except aMar 13 14:40
schestowitz> studio in my home (which lately seems to have taken over the whole bloomin'Mar 13 14:40
schestowitz> house...lol), a passel of rag-tag home-built computers...and some goodMar 13 14:40
schestowitz> creative/artistic skills, and a good work-ethic.Mar 13 14:40
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:40
schestowitz> Your concept that any business, no matter how small, is still a potentiallyMar 13 14:40
schestowitz> exploitative corporate entity, is rather astounding.  From personalMar 13 14:40
schestowitz> experience, I know that it's not true.  Small businesses are not the same asMar 13 14:40
schestowitz> corporations. In fact, I'd say that small businesses are the way thingsMar 13 14:40
schestowitz> SHOULD be. And traditionally, whenever cottage industries, and smallMar 13 14:40
schestowitz> family-run businesses are able to flourish, the economy benefits greatly.Mar 13 14:40
schestowitzIndeed! Sorry if I was misunderstood there.Mar 13 14:40
schestowitz> ~ On the subject of PR...Mar 13 14:40
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:40
schestowitz> You wrote: *"PR industry can be harmful. I have strong feelings on theMar 13 14:40
schestowitz> subject."*Mar 13 14:40
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:40
schestowitz> I'm a little confused by why you wrote that to me.  It's not that I disagreeMar 13 14:40
schestowitz> with it, it's just that it has no relationship to what I do here.  I alsoMar 13 14:40
schestowitz> think the words "*can be*" are the key.  Just because something CAN beMar 13 14:40
schestowitz> abused, doesn't automatically mean it MUST be.Mar 13 14:40
schestowitzIt was not said in reference to anyone particular really. Did you see Hicks on marketing? That's what came to my mind at the time.Mar 13 14:40
schestowitz> The thing is, you know how people tend to toss everything into one basketMar 13 14:40
schestowitz> and assume the basket defines it all.  Like the term "IP", for example,Mar 13 14:40
schestowitz> which covers a multitude of things (copyright, trademarks, patents, etc.)Mar 13 14:40
schestowitz> which, as we both know, really shouldn't be lumped together.Mar 13 14:40
schestowitzGood example. Personally, I can defend trademarks. I try not to say "IP". :-)Mar 13 14:40
schestowitz> I don't do corporate-type "PR" for anyone...not even for my own business.Mar 13 14:40
schestowitz> Heck, I'm not even listed in the local phone book.Mar 13 14:40
schestowitzOh, it was not said about you. I hadn't realised it could be interpreted this way.Mar 13 14:40
schestowitz> But I DO help other small businesses to advertise locally.  Now, I want youMar 13 14:40
schestowitz> to think about this part very carefully...Mar 13 14:40
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:40
schestowitz> Although you are correct that all advertising is some form of "PR" - publicMar 13 14:40
schestowitz> relations does not automatically mean something bad.  Some corporationsMar 13 14:40
schestowitz> abuse PR by using it to tell lies and white-wash their bad behavior towardsMar 13 14:40
schestowitz> their customers.Mar 13 14:40
schestowitzI view PR as an umbrella which includes lies too, e.g. sockpuppets :-)Mar 13 14:41
schestowitz> But it's wrong to lump small businesses into that same basket with dishonestMar 13 14:41
schestowitz> crooks.  Just like it's wrong to lump all air travelers in with terrorists,Mar 13 14:41
schestowitz> or to lump all Internet customers in with "pirates".Mar 13 14:41
schestowitzIndeed.Mar 13 14:41
schestowitz> Small, independent businesses are generally built around "niche products"Mar 13 14:41
schestowitz> [or services]. Even if the whole wide world knew about them, by their veryMar 13 14:41
schestowitz> nature they'd still have a very limited customer base.  Most of the ones IMar 13 14:41
schestowitz> deal with are service-based, so they don't need to reach the whole world,Mar 13 14:41
schestowitz> they just need to reach their local neighborhoods.  The likelihood of any ofMar 13 14:41
schestowitz> them growing into a mega-corp is very slim, most of them just want to make aMar 13 14:41
schestowitz> living by doing their own thing.Mar 13 14:41
schestowitzI agree entirely. Mar 13 14:41
schestowitz"Mar 13 14:41
nisshhschestowitz, ever heard of pastebin? its a wonderful concept :)Mar 13 14:41
sebsebsebheh @ nisshhMar 13 14:42
nisshhread: USE PASTEBIN FFS!Mar 13 14:42
nisshh:)Mar 13 14:42
MinceR:>Mar 13 14:42
sebsebsebnisshh: he does a lot of this here, copys in stuff, that he could pastebin insteadMar 13 14:43
nisshhsebsebseb, s/could/should/must/Mar 13 14:43
sebsebsebnisshh: uh?Mar 13 14:43
sebsebsebwhat you mean?Mar 13 14:43
nisshhsebsebseb, you dont know what s/// is do you?Mar 13 14:44
sebsebsebnisshh: indeedMar 13 14:44
MinceRyou used it incorrectly anyway :>Mar 13 14:44
nisshhMinceR, now now, dont be a smartassMar 13 14:44
MinceR:>Mar 13 14:44
nisshhMinceR, i know how to use it right, but i had to add the must on the end :)Mar 13 14:45
sebsebsebwhat does :> mean whilst I am at it, I mean I know it's meant to be some sort of face, but what?Mar 13 14:45
MinceRnisshh: you could have escaped the second / :>Mar 13 14:45
MinceRsebsebseb: pointed smileyMar 13 14:45
sebsebsebwhich means what?Mar 13 14:45
nisshhMinceR, let me refer you to what i said about being a smartass :)Mar 13 14:46
MinceRsebsebseb: with a bit of malice or mischief :>Mar 13 14:46
sebsebsebohMar 13 14:46
sebsebsebwell then uhmmMar 13 14:46
sebsebsebnisshh = :> at times :DMar 13 14:46
nisshhsebsebseb, heh, always :)Mar 13 14:46
schestowitznisshh: hehMar 13 14:47
schestowitzAnyway, sebsebseb, you now see what I mean by marketing...Mar 13 14:48
schestowitzThe context being size and causeMar 13 14:48
schestowitzHere's the remainder (last bit)Mar 13 14:48
schestowitz"Mar 13 14:48
schestowitz> These small businesses do not have the resources to buy billboards, or toMar 13 14:48
schestowitz> hire expensive ad agency/PR/marketing firms, they just need some simpleMar 13 14:48
schestowitz> visual materials to help their potential customers to find them. That's it,Mar 13 14:48
schestowitz> that's all.Mar 13 14:48
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:48
schestowitz> I provide them with design and writing skills, and help them find the best,Mar 13 14:48
schestowitz> inexpensive printing services.  Small businesses deserve the ability to tellMar 13 14:48
schestowitz> people what they do and what value they offer, without having to pay hugeMar 13 14:48
schestowitz> amounts of money.  Don't you think?Mar 13 14:48
schestowitzYes, it's when they go rogue with sockpuppets and fake reviews that this becomes a major issue.Mar 13 14:48
schestowitz> The truth is, it's a serious struggle for small businesses to get theirMar 13 14:49
schestowitz> voices heard over all the noise made by the big corporate chains andMar 13 14:49
schestowitz> franchises.  Not everyone has the time or know-how to do it for themselves.Mar 13 14:49
schestowitz> Printed information can still be a powerful way to communicate with a localMar 13 14:49
schestowitz> community.  Believe it or not, brochures, flyers, even cleverly designedMar 13 14:49
schestowitz> business cards can help tremendously.Mar 13 14:49
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:49
schestowitz> Now, you're probably thinking that small business owners should just put upMar 13 14:49
schestowitz> a website.  Because 'print' advertising is dead, after all...right?  Also,Mar 13 14:49
schestowitz> printing kills trees, etc, etc.  And I'd agree with that.Mar 13 14:49
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:49
schestowitz> But around here we have a large population of older people, especiallyMar 13 14:49
schestowitz> during the winter months (we call them snowbirds, because they come here inMar 13 14:49
schestowitz> the wintertime to get away from the snow back East).  Most have cell phonesMar 13 14:49
schestowitz> these days, but not necessarily smart phones, and they don't trust or useMar 13 14:49
schestowitz> the Internet like younger folks do.  Old people like printed things becauseMar 13 14:49
schestowitz> they are easier to read than cell phones, and can be carried around withMar 13 14:49
schestowitz> them.  Don't ask me why, 'cause I don't know.  I just know that some olderMar 13 14:49
schestowitz> people like to keep and carry stuff (especially coupons) around with them -Mar 13 14:49
schestowitz> I know, it sounds funny, but it's true.Mar 13 14:49
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:49
schestowitz> I've also seen the over-all print-advertising business dwindle massivelyMar 13 14:49
schestowitz> over the last 20 years.  However, that very death-spiral trend has also beenMar 13 14:49
schestowitz> a boon for me, since fewer people are now providing those services.  I amMar 13 14:49
schestowitz> one of the few around here that can still do things the old-fashioned wayMar 13 14:49
schestowitz> (ink and paint and pencil, etc), as well as do computer graphics and createMar 13 14:49
schestowitz> digital files - so there is always been plenty of work available, as long asMar 13 14:49
*nisshh headdesksMar 13 14:49
schestowitz> I keep prices affordable, which I do.Mar 13 14:49
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:49
schestowitz> And it really doesn't matter to me if 'for-print' work doesn't last muchMar 13 14:49
schestowitz> longer, 'cuz I'm ready to retire from all of it anyway.  Only 8 monthsMar 13 14:49
schestowitz> left...yay!Mar 13 14:49
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:49
schestowitz> As for having contracts with corporations in the past, it's true, that wasMar 13 14:49
sebsebsebnisshh: yeah I know what you meanMar 13 14:49
schestowitz> how I got started many years ago.Mar 13 14:49
schestowitzYes, many people have. The problem is not advertising; it's certain types of PR and those who actually demand it, not those who do the job, either (although if one operates sock-puppets, that someone should be ashamed of oneself). PJ likes to use the term "yuppie defence" in this context.Mar 13 14:49
schestowitz> My illustrations have been in a LOT of educational books over the years, andMar 13 14:49
schestowitz> I'm proud of the work I did, but the big educational publishers I onceMar 13 14:49
schestowitz> worked for became impossible to deal with.  Sometime around 1999 and 2000,Mar 13 14:49
MinceRholy wall of text, batman!Mar 13 14:49
schestowitz> it all changed (and not for the better).  I continued to accept a fewMar 13 14:49
schestowitz> illustration contracts after that, but also began cultivating independentMar 13 14:50
schestowitz> local business clients, so I could phase out the rotten corporate stuff.Mar 13 14:50
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:50
schestowitz> With keeping my business geared towards small local, independent businesses,Mar 13 14:50
schestowitz> over the last decade, many of my long-term regular clients have becomeMar 13 14:50
schestowitz> trusted, and treasured, personal friends.Mar 13 14:50
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:50
schestowitz> And that defines (quite clearly, in my view) the VAST difference between aMar 13 14:50
schestowitz> Corporation, and a small, independent  "mom & pop" business (like mine).Mar 13 14:50
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:50
schestowitz> To an ever growing number of large Corporations "Trust" is merely a PR wordMar 13 14:50
schestowitz> with no real meaning, they use it to abuse their Relationship with theirMar 13 14:50
schestowitz> Public.  So, in that respect, I don't do PR.Mar 13 14:50
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:50
schestowitz> I'd like you to understand that...because if you continue to equate myMar 13 14:50
schestowitz> business with evil, lying corporations, I shall be very peeved at you. (I'mMar 13 14:50
schestowitz> giving you a friendly smile here, but I'm also serious)Mar 13 14:50
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:50
schestowitz> I do have a business partner in a separate endeavor.  But we formed a smallMar 13 14:50
schestowitz> LLC company so we could keep our business relationship properly documentedMar 13 14:50
nisshhsebsebseb, i think we should just swap schestowitz with an IRC bot that pastebin's :)Mar 13 14:50
schestowitz> as separate from our personal business, and to be able to meet theMar 13 14:50
schestowitz> guidelines for hospitals (and their stupid purchasing departments) to buyMar 13 14:50
schestowitz> our childrens medical books (which are given to the children for free). So,Mar 13 14:50
schestowitz> maybe you can find some 'evil corporate exploitation' issues there, I dunno.Mar 13 14:50
schestowitzI remembers those good examples and they very much differ from what I think of when I say "PR".Mar 13 14:50
schestowitz> You wrote: *"Money does not go with a person after his/her death; artfulMar 13 14:50
schestowitz> work and reputation, however, last very long. So monetary excess has littleMar 13 14:50
schestowitz> practical value in the long term. Among my great ancestors (4 generationsMar 13 14:50
schestowitz> upwards) I know only a few, and not for achievements related to wealth."*Mar 13 14:50
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:50
schestowitz> In this, you are absolutely correct.Mar 13 14:50
schestowitzThankfully; this is the past which I thought would be controversial. :-)Mar 13 14:50
schestowitz> I live quite modestly in a very old house, and drive a 15 year-old car.  IMar 13 14:50
schestowitz> don't accumulate much, having a tendency to give my stuff away to people whoMar 13 14:50
schestowitz> might need it more than I do.Mar 13 14:50
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:50
schestowitz> I also have people who depend on me, so I need to keep working for a whileMar 13 14:50
sebsebsebnisshh: or get a bot in here that get's ops, that kicks him everytime he floods :D problem is I think only schestowitz has op here by defaultMar 13 14:50
schestowitz> longer...otherwise I'd have retired months ago.  So money is important to meMar 13 14:50
schestowitz> only as far as it keeps loved-ones fed, housed and cared-for.  I reallyMar 13 14:50
schestowitz> don't need much for myself.Mar 13 14:50
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:51
schestowitz> If I have any money left over when I die, I'd be happy that it might help myMar 13 14:51
schestowitz> kids in some small way.  Other than that, I mostly don't care about it.Mar 13 14:51
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:51
schestowitz> Your term "*monetary excess*" really has no relationship to anything in myMar 13 14:51
schestowitz> life...in fact, if I ever found myself with a sudden pile of excess money,Mar 13 14:51
schestowitz> I'd probably just keel over and die from pure shock.  lolMar 13 14:51
schestowitz*LOL* Well, I was thinking of the hoarders who 'own' the US. IIRC, the top 400 "rich list" folks in the US own about as much as half the population combined.Mar 13 14:51
schestowitz> Look, I know that TV and movies from the US tend to depict us all (to theMar 13 14:51
schestowitz> rest of the world) as culturally shallow, money-grubbing, materialistic,Mar 13 14:51
schestowitz> empty-headed, war-mongering, wealth-worshiping,Mar 13 14:51
schestowitz> sheep-like-slaves-to-corporate-consumerism - but that's less than accurate.Mar 13 14:51
schestowitzYes, I know. Huge disparity, among the worst in the world. WI can start something ;-)Mar 13 14:51
schestowitz> There are certainly those elements here, but there are also LOTS of peopleMar 13 14:51
schestowitz> and groups that are a bit more grounded in their actions (beliefs,Mar 13 14:51
schestowitz> behaviors, values, etc.), that don't have movies or TV shows made aboutMar 13 14:51
schestowitz> them, and rarely make the mainstream news. On the whole, we work hard, weMar 13 14:51
nisshhsebsebseb, heheMar 13 14:51
schestowitz> love Freedom, we form our own networking/communities and help each otherMar 13 14:51
schestowitz> out.Mar 13 14:51
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:51
schestowitz> lol, we are many...we are anonymous...we are everywhere. (haha...I wasMar 13 14:51
schestowitz> chuckling as I typed that)Mar 13 14:51
schestowitz>Mar 13 14:51
schestowitz> Ok, I've been writing on this in bits and pieces, off and on, all dayMar 13 14:51
schestowitz> long...I started at 7:00am, and it's nearly 5:00pm now.  As a result, I'veMar 13 14:51
schestowitz> written WAY too much again, I'd better stop for now and get this sentMar 13 14:51
schestowitz> (otherwise you might think I've permanently taken my headphones off.)Mar 13 14:51
schestowitz*LOL* That's fantastic. It's good to have a friend like you !!Mar 13 14:51
schestowitz> Please don't feel that I was angry, or upset with you for anything you wroteMar 13 14:51
schestowitz> to me.  I was just dismayed that you seemed to have preconceived notionsMar 13 14:51
schestowitz> about me that were inaccurate.  That part did make me feel bad (but I'mMar 13 14:51
schestowitz> fine, so no worries).Mar 13 14:51
schestowitzI feel bad only cause I was misunderstood. What I do, too, is a form of marketing, e.g. of Linux.Mar 13 14:51
schestowitz> I hope your move went smoothly, and that everything's unpacked and you areMar 13 14:51
schestowitz> enjoying your new home!Mar 13 14:51
schestowitzI'll send you photos soon, I hope.Mar 13 14:51
schestowitz> As always, please take good care of yourself,Mar 13 14:51
schestowitz> Best wishes and big smiles to you, Mar 13 14:51
schestowitz"Mar 13 14:51
schestowitzThat's it, thoughMar 13 14:52
schestowitzsebsebseb mentioned marketing his distroMar 13 14:52
schestowitznisshh: sorry about that, won't happen againMar 13 14:52
sebsebsebnisshh: and he expects me to read all that, in the horrible IRC text format?  This is worse than me  doing loads of lines in channels :DMar 13 14:52
schestowitzI don'tMar 13 14:52
schestowitzBuy I have route for opping selfMar 13 14:52
schestowitzAnd [H]omer has that in #boycottnovellMar 13 14:52
*nisshh refrains from stabbing schestowitz repeatedlyMar 13 14:52
schestowitzoiaohm: just got a message back from a friend who can help earn clients..Mar 13 14:52
nisshhschestowitz, heh, its ok :)Mar 13 14:52
sebsebsebschestowitz: his distro? uh not quite,  I mean I run PC Linux OS on here, and it seems it's going to take quite a bit to get rid of it, and the other computer will stay Mandriva, and well Mageia will be a virtual machine distro at firstMar 13 14:52
schestowitzHis sister is a friend of mine...Mar 13 14:53
nisshhsebsebseb, heheMar 13 14:53
sebsebsebschestowitz: anyway Mageia should be great in about two years time, and it's nice to be invovled with a distro from the beginning :)Mar 13 14:53
schestowitzsebsebseb: do you?Mar 13 14:53
schestowitzhow's it working?Mar 13 14:53
schestowitzI was just writing about it in relation to MintMar 13 14:53
schestowitzoiaohm: it's server admin stuffMar 13 14:54
schestowitz> sorry for the delay, Neil is now back from the Caribbean. He has askedMar 13 14:54
schestowitz> that I send you his phone number . This is xxxxxxMar 13 14:54
schestowitz> I hope that you are well.Mar 13 14:54
sebsebsebschestowitz: well issues with choqok and kapman sadly, but other  then that it's ok.  oh and it would have been nice to have a old GNome Shell in repo, but no they are about having stable software, but i'll do the jhbuild from upstream Gnome when I botherMar 13 14:54
*schestowitz still afraid of starting choqokMar 13 14:54
sebsebsebwhy?Mar 13 14:54
sebsebsebso for now it's back to looking at the website for old dents :(Mar 13 14:55
schestowitzIt'll get me addictedMar 13 14:55
sebsebseband denting from Elmdentica and PinioMar 13 14:55
schestowitzI'll respond, and then they'll respond, and...Mar 13 14:55
sebsebsebschestowitz: yeah indeedMar 13 14:55
schestowitzCan't do 200 dents a day right now...Mar 13 14:55
schestowitzIf I click the green bird, I know the day will be unproductiveMar 13 14:55
sebsebsebschestowitz: hehMar 13 14:55
sebsebsebschestowitz: well without you denting I can at least, follow other peoples old dents, easierMar 13 14:56
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sebsebseball I need is a client that works, and will show 1000 dents in a timeline and :) ,but whatMar 13 14:56
sebsebsebChoqok was one, but issues with it like I siadMar 13 14:56
sebsebsebElmdentica isn't it,  that's a very basic client in fact, apparnatly for small screens and blah de blah even, it's okMar 13 14:57
schestowitzsebsebseb: I'm rethinking my use of microblogsMar 13 14:58
oiaohmschestowitz:  Nice.  Money is money.Mar 13 14:58
sebsebsebschestowitz: oh?Mar 13 14:58
schestowitzI am not stopping, just rethinking how I use time with itMar 13 14:58
sebsebsebyeah you became a right addictMar 13 14:58
schestowitzFor example, maybe less politics, less RTs; not sure yet...Mar 13 14:58
sebsebsebtruse most of your dents were polotics, and I was like uh to them, as in not interested in most of themMar 13 14:58
schestowitzBut while I'm on mobile broadband I can't quite resume due to bandwidthMar 13 14:58
schestowitzBut a lot of Linux news too.... it's now Android and UbuntuMar 13 14:59
schestowitzI'm tired of promoting these silly brands{tm}Mar 13 14:59
sebsebsebschestowitz: stop the Ubuntu dents :)Mar 13 14:59
schestowitzThey have enough budget to promote their lame Rights(R) and Trademarks(TM)Mar 13 14:59
schestowitzsebsebseb: I might...Mar 13 15:00
sebsebsebyeah exactly with Ubuntu well the direction is going hmmMar 13 15:00
sebsebsebandMar 13 15:00
sebsebsebthere are plenty of fan boys and so on, that will do it anywayMar 13 15:00
schestowitzI can write more TR postsMar 13 15:00
sebsebsebas for Android, well it's Google so they are hyped up a lotMar 13 15:00
schestowitzAt the expense of a few of the other activitiesMar 13 15:00
sebsebsebthey don't need you promoting AndroidMar 13 15:00
schestowitzAndroid is massive nowMar 13 15:00
sebsebsebexactlyMar 13 15:00
schestowitzI'm not being no fanboi of thatMar 13 15:00
sebsebsebMeego and WebOS could do with you denting about them at times though :)Mar 13 15:01
schestowitzUnless it's cynogenmodeMar 13 15:01
sebsebseboh and Mageia of course :)Mar 13 15:01
sebsebseband to the group!Mar 13 15:01
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2011/03/03/rogue-ipr-games/#commentsMar 13 15:01
schestowitz"Mar 13 15:01
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schestowitzConfirmation of Nokia's role comes from PJ's examination of <a href="http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/924613/000095012311024458/u10545e20vf.htm" rel="nofollow">Nokia's SEC filing</a>.  She quotes the relevant parts in her news picks.Mar 13 15:01
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schestowitz<blockquote>- Definitive agreements with Microsoft for the proposed partnership may not be entered into in a timely manner, or at all, or on terms beneficial to us. Mar 13 15:01
schestowitz- New sources of revenue expected to be generated from the Microsoft partnership, such as increased monetization opportunities for us in services and intellectual property rights, may not materialize as expected, or at all. Mar 13 15:01
schestowitz [PJ: So, they haven't signed on the dotted line yet, this is saying. And I gather they hope to sue people or threaten to do so to get royalties on patents. Blech. Can't Microsoft ever do anything *not* evil?] -  Nokia's Form 20F, SEC</blockquote>Mar 13 15:01
schestowitzI think she hit the nail on the head.  We can conclude that all of the damage to Nokia is real but  Microsoft's promises are vapor. Perhaps there is resistance in the company beyond the thousands of engineers who walked off the job in protest.Mar 13 15:01
schestowitz"Mar 13 15:01
schestowitzsebsebseb: yes, maybeMar 13 15:02
sebsebsebschestowitz: plus your not really that keen on the direction of Ubuntu yourself, I thinkMar 13 15:02
sebsebsebso why bother denting about it?Mar 13 15:02
schestowitzBut give me a few days to finish my current project before I get a BT/O2 wired connection and then I'll resumeMar 13 15:02
sebsebsebschestowitz: and I meant completly stop denting about Ubuntu, and if you want Android as wellMar 13 15:02
schestowitzHeh. Not even Canonical staff is entirely happy with the directionMar 13 15:02
schestowitzA few of them dissentedMar 13 15:02
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sebsebsebnisshh is wondering about their direction now as well I think :DMar 13 15:03
schestowitz[H]omer did a post about itMar 13 15:03
schestowitzhttp://slated.org/copygate_exposes_ugly_ubuntu Mar 13 15:03
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schestowitzIt's well writtenMar 13 15:03
sebsebsebschestowitz: the Maryland LOCO leader, is quiting doing thatMar 13 15:04
sebsebsebschestowitz: hmm that Mar 13 15:04
sebsebsebuhmmMar 13 15:04
sebsebsebschestowitz: maybe I saw that before, but I remember thisMar 13 15:04
sebsebsebbasically my ISP is blocked from  going on that, because they might spy on what people go on or whateverMar 13 15:05
sebsebseband then goes to a page explaining about thingsMar 13 15:05
schestowitzSome canonical staff too, but no defectionMar 13 15:05
sebsebsebschestowitz: in fact if your on BT you would probably get the page I gotMar 13 15:05
sebsebsebschestowitz: when going on the link you just gaveMar 13 15:05
sebsebsebbasically says the ISP is blocked from going on it, and redirects to a page explaining about thingsMar 13 15:05
sebsebsebschestowitz: yep this is the page I get instead after the redirect, have a look I guess. http://www.inphormationdesk.org/Mar 13 15:06
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sebsebsebschestowitz: anyway it's strange for a website to redirect certain ISP's to another websiteMar 13 15:09
schestowitzLOLMar 13 15:16
schestowitzI guess I should try to get out of the BT agreement, which was verbal onlyMar 13 15:16
schestowitzBut they could try to delay line transfer then, to retaliateMar 13 15:17
schestowitzI'll go to O2 tomorrow and see if they can take over the line before BT's package arrivesMar 13 15:17
schestowitzBTW, Virgin and Sky mailed me brochures without me ever asking. How's Virgin if you don't need cable and other 'noise'?Mar 13 15:18
sebsebsebnisshh: I am looking at old dentsMar 13 15:30
sebsebsebnisshh: and well..Mar 13 15:30
sebsebsebnisshh: http://identi.ca/notice/66816595Mar 13 15:31
TechrightsBot-sc@László Torma (toros)'s status on Saturday, 12-Mar-11 15:00:32 UTC - Identi.ca: Ryan Macnish' *lightbulb* moment: "I should just stick with Ubuntu" http://goo.gl/EwNVA !uMar 13 15:31
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*schestowitz tries to stay alert after just 3 hours of sleep last nightMar 13 15:31
schestowitznice being so close to city centre, finally... Had some friends come over last night, had bottles of wine, then headed to local bar and night club at Deansgate. Got back after 4...Mar 13 15:33
sebsebsebschestowitz: ok so that's why you moved, to be nearer to the centre?Mar 13 15:33
schestowitzNot the main considerationMar 13 15:34
nisshhsebsebseb, yeah, i did a post, which most people misinterpretedMar 13 15:42
nisshhi didnt actually know anyone had dented about it thoughMar 13 15:42
schestowitzI'm getting a little upset about UbuntuMar 13 15:44
schestowitzI'll do a post about Mint to promote Clem art their expenseMar 13 15:44
nisshhsebsebseb, please dont think that that post has anything to do with techrights, it was nothing to do with thatMar 13 15:44
schestowitzNobody needs Ubuntu, they can use Mint, it's a lot better tooMar 13 15:44
nisshhsebsebseb, basically, that post was me simply realising that i didnt need to worry about Ubuntu's defaults or canonical's antics, i have no need of the defaults, i can run whatever i likeMar 13 15:47
nisshhi was attempting to explain a moral dilemmaMar 13 15:48
nisshhit didnt work out how i expected thoughMar 13 15:48
nisshhpeople took it the wrong way, as often happens with blog postsMar 13 15:48
sebsebsebnisshh: heh Techrights influenceing (I think the word is) your opinions a bit, did come to mind, but hey so what if it's true :DMar 13 15:57
sebsebsebalso not just anyone dented thatMar 13 15:57
sebsebsebthat was toros the http://webupd8.org guyMar 13 15:58
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sebsebsebnisshh: and he goes by the name Andrew on thereMar 13 15:58
sebsebsebnisshh: people misunderstood your blog post?Mar 13 15:59
sebsebsebseemed fine to meMar 13 15:59
sebsebsebyou were wondering if you should stay invovled with Ubuntu or,  well get more invovled with other distro'sMar 13 15:59
sebsebsebbasicalleyMar 13 15:59
sebsebsebnisshh: I don't know if you have seen any of it, but this past weekMar 13 15:59
sebsebsebthere has been like fighting beetween, Canonical, Gnome, and KDEMar 13 16:00
sebsebsebor Canonical and Gnome reallyMar 13 16:00
sebsebsebCanonical, Ubuntu, and GnomeMar 13 16:00
oiaohmThere is a tradition 3 way fight.Mar 13 16:00
oiaohmKDE Gnome Freedesktop.Mar 13 16:00
schestowitzyeahMar 13 16:00
schestowitzand with MarkSMar 13 16:01
schestowitzOver his choice of GNOME for UbuntuMar 13 16:01
schestowitzKDE never got over itMar 13 16:01
oiaohmReally I might do a blog post.Mar 13 16:01
schestowitzHis decision may have broken some spirits in KDEMar 13 16:01
oiaohmcovering how freedesktop is designed to work.Mar 13 16:01
oiaohmThere are particular reasons why its not a standard body.Mar 13 16:01
sebsebsebnisshh: yeah and it's to do with freedesktop standards as wellMar 13 16:01
oiaohmAnd there are particular reason why it has a designed in steam roller.Mar 13 16:02
sebsebsebschestowitz: also indeed to what you said earlier, Mint is a lot betterMar 13 16:02
oiaohmsebsebseb:  Do you understand how freedeskop is ment to work.Mar 13 16:02
schestowitzsebsebseb: tried it yet?Mar 13 16:02
sebsebseboh sure right now they got their main version based on Ubuntu, but it's not like they need to be based on Ubuntu, the Debian based version hs been out for quite a while nowMar 13 16:02
oiaohmFreedesktop is a place for draft standards.Mar 13 16:02
sebsebsebschestowitz: uh I told you about this stuff already I beliveMar 13 16:02
sebsebsebschestowitz: how when I picked distro's back in JanMar 13 16:02
sebsebsebfor my older brother's lap topMar 13 16:02
oiaohmThe idea is if you don't like a draft standard you are ment to put up a counter standard.  sebsebsebMar 13 16:03
sebsebsebhow I went with  Linux Mint 9 based on Ubuntu  10.04 in the endMar 13 16:03
oiaohmIf you cannot put up a counter standard your reason for rejection must not be strong enough.Mar 13 16:03
oiaohmNotice what Gnome has not been doing.Mar 13 16:03
sebsebsebschestowitz: plus I had virtual machined Mint before that in the past, but back then found it kind of pointless, since I thought best to use the original product Ubuntu, but oh how  times have changedMar 13 16:03
oiaohmLeaving it to KDE to submit standards and not Submitting any of there own.Mar 13 16:03
qu1j0t3schestowitz: wbMar 13 16:03
oiaohmOf course KDE is pissed.Mar 13 16:04
sebsebsebschestowitz: nisshh Mint is great, takes everything I like from Ubuntu, and gives it nicer artwork and makes it more user friendly as wel the Mint menu and such.Mar 13 16:04
sebsebsebschestowitz: nisshh  and then of course Linux Mint Debian Edition as well, which I knew about before the offical annoucement, but still haven't virtual machined hmmMar 13 16:04
schestowitzqu1j0t3: thanksMar 13 16:04
sebsebsebI closed it down earlier, but there was a greatMar 13 16:04
sebsebsebblog post on this subjectMar 13 16:04
sebsebsebhmmMar 13 16:05
schestowitzI work at Manchester University clusters to get heavy work done pretty quickly. Next week I'll be mostly away, still.Mar 13 16:05
sebsebseband good comments, lets see if I can get on that againMar 13 16:05
sebsebsebshould be able to doMar 13 16:05
sebsebsebI bookmark pretty much everything I go on for a startMar 13 16:05
schestowitzuse "History"Mar 13 16:05
schestowitzCan be searched, tooMar 13 16:05
sebsebsebschestowitz: uh your job is at Manchester University?  I thought you were just a ex student or something of it?Mar 13 16:05
schestowitzGoogle too makes bookmarks closer to obsoleteMar 13 16:05
schestowitzsebsebseb: no, it's a long storyMar 13 16:06
sebsebsebschestowitz: true history can be searched to, and my bookmarks list is rather longMar 13 16:06
sebsebsebmy current oneMar 13 16:06
schestowitzBut the plan is basically going to the gym every day around 7, then to the clusters at 9.Mar 13 16:06
schestowitzLeaves too little for bloggingMar 13 16:06
schestowitzWhich is a hobbyMar 13 16:07
schestowitzsebsebseb: remember Web directories?Mar 13 16:07
sebsebsebschestowitz: stop promoting Ubuntu on identica then like I said earlier, and Android even whilst your at if you want, and yep less policesMar 13 16:07
schestowitzLike DMOZ and Yahoo?Mar 13 16:07
schestowitzWho ever uses these anymore?Mar 13 16:07
sebsebsebYahoo sure, and uhmm Dmoz runs Yahoo? something ran YahooMar 13 16:07
schestowitzsebsebseb: probablyMar 13 16:07
oiaohmYahoo is basically gutted.Mar 13 16:07
schestowitzgutted=Microsoft?Mar 13 16:07
sebsebsebhttp://altavista.com still around for now :)Mar 13 16:08
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sebsebsebhoweverMar 13 16:08
sebsebsebthat's Yahoo search with differnet branding nowMar 13 16:08
sebsebsebI read I guess it was last year, that they would get rid of itMar 13 16:08
sebsebsebhttp://altavista.co.ukMar 13 16:08
TechrightsBot-scTitle: AltaVista .::. Size~: 12.08 KBMar 13 16:08
oiaohmschestowitz:  basically giving up there search engine for the MS that does not work.Mar 13 16:08
oiaohmschestowitz: basically ruined yahoo.Mar 13 16:08
sebsebsebthe other search enginges hardly matter now really, since yep GoogleMar 13 16:08
sebsebsebmost web users use Google, and well that's thatMar 13 16:09
sebsebsebwell maybe not in China?Mar 13 16:09
oiaohmChina internal search engine is about the only one now who standard a chance going head to head with google.Mar 13 16:09
MinceRbaidu?Mar 13 16:10
oiaohmbaidu yep that is the one.Mar 13 16:10
oiaohmThey are still developing new search methods that works.Mar 13 16:10
oiaohmMS has basically been caught coping.Mar 13 16:11
MinceRare they relevant outside red china?Mar 13 16:11
oiaohmCurrently no.Mar 13 16:11
oiaohmbut at least they are still improving there engine.  MinceRMar 13 16:11
MinceRicMar 13 16:11
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qu1j0t3Maybe someone can add to my answer. schestowitz? http://www.quora.com/What-are-the-benefits-of-developing-in-a-Linux-environmentMar 13 16:38
TechrightsBot-scTitle: What are the benefits of developing in a Linux environment? - Quora .::. Size~: 69.45 KBMar 13 16:38
schestowitzqu1j0t3: I've no account theeMar 13 16:40
schestowitz*there. Wait till they sell to Google, then it'll turn out they just pulled a Huffing on their contributorsMar 13 16:41
qu1j0t3schestowitz: that's fixable...Mar 13 16:41
qu1j0t3i have 140 answers thereMar 13 16:41
schestowitzNice...Mar 13 16:41
schestowitzIs it like Yahoo Answers?Mar 13 16:42
qu1j0t3i don't think the HP thing is about paying bloggers...Mar 13 16:42
qu1j0t3schestowitz: noMar 13 16:42
qu1j0t3schestowitz: it's all user contribMar 13 16:42
qu1j0t3i don't care if they sell. i know the deal.Mar 13 16:42
qu1j0t3i contribute for the same reasons i'd contribute to UsenetMar 13 16:42
schestowitzNot comparableMar 13 16:42
schestowitzUSENET cannot be soldMar 13 16:42
schestowitzUSENET stays in my hard-drive tooMar 13 16:43
qu1j0t3Usenet runs on Darpa's network.Mar 13 16:43
schestowitzUnless I set to autopuge old messagesMar 13 16:43
schestowitz*auto-purgeMar 13 16:43
qu1j0t3on some level you're always using someone else's platformMar 13 16:43
qu1j0t3usenet can be censored, blocked, republished, etcMar 13 16:43
schestowitzCan't sellMar 13 16:43
schestowitzDeja News is not it and Google Group is just cancer on USENETMar 13 16:43
qu1j0t3but why does that matterMar 13 16:43
schestowitz*GroupsMar 13 16:43
qu1j0t3it's nothing to do with HP imhoMar 13 16:43
qu1j0t3the real problem with the HP isn't that bloggers should be paidMar 13 16:44
schestowitzrepublication is goodMar 13 16:44
schestowitzIt makes USENET more resistant to takedownsMar 13 16:44
schestowitzAnd watch what happened to Netscape/PropellerMar 13 16:44
schestowitz!google cloud propeller schestowitz Mar 13 16:44
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schestowitzWait, not right links...Mar 13 16:44
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2010/10/05/cloud-computing-goes-boom/Mar 13 16:45
schestowitzHere...Mar 13 16:45
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schestowitzQuora is the same thingMar 13 16:45
schestowitzDigg tooMar 13 16:45
schestowitzThey can pull all the stuff any timeMar 13 16:45
schestowitzqu1j0t3: I know some more people who can get clients through Joe... http://www.personaltrainermanchester.co.uk/ ... did you read my stuff from earlier?Mar 13 16:47
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Personal Trainers Manchester UK - Joseph Leah specialist in personal training .::. Size~: 15.43 KBMar 13 16:47
schestowitzsebsebseb: I'm helping someone move from Ubuntu to Fedora or MintMar 13 16:55
schestowitzShe wants to try Fedora thoughMar 13 16:55
sebsebsebschestowitz: well look what I just done :D ,but not to any groups,  I don't want loads of Ubuntu fan boys replying to it heh hehMar 13 16:57
schestowitz> Hi!  Thanks for your thoughtful replies, I enjoyed and appreciated them immensely!Mar 13 16:57
schestowitz> Mar 13 16:57
schestowitz> Congratulations on getting moved and settled.  It can be such a chore to move to a new place, but then it's really nice when all the packing and unpacking is finished. Mar 13 16:57
schestowitz> Mar 13 16:57
schestowitz> Now, if BT will just get your Internet connected, life could get back to normal.   :) Mar 13 16:57
schestowitz> Mar 13 16:57
schestowitz> This afternoon I'm going to try, once again, to install Fedora.  I've not had much luck with it in the past, but I thought I'd try again.  I've heard that KDE is much better now, so I'd like to see if I can use it.  I'm a bit like Goblin when it comes to KDE, it's always lookedMar 13 16:57
schestowitz> pretty, but also felt a little frustrating to use.  Maybe this time will be better.Mar 13 16:57
schestowitzIf you've not burned it yet, try Mint 10 (GNOME or KDE). I used it all day yesterday and it was fantastic. I'll blog about it in http://Schestowitz.com very shortly.Mar 13 16:57
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schestowitz> It's fun to try things out though, and I have lots of spare drives to test new software on, so we'll see how it goes. Mar 13 16:57
schestowitz> Mar 13 16:57
schestowitz> Anyway, I'm glad you're all finished with the move, looking forward to seeing pics of your new place!Mar 13 16:57
schestowitzHere is a video from 1 hour ago (att.)Mar 13 16:57
schestowitzI think it's too later now for Mint though...Mar 13 16:57
qu1j0t3schestowitz: the problem is that the corporation is modelled directly on cancer.Mar 13 16:57
schestowitzI mean, if she had burned FedoraMar 13 16:57
sebsebsebschestowitz: however that could happen anyway, since the original dent was sent to the !ubuntu group the one I replied to. http://identi.ca/conversation/66091074Mar 13 16:58
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schestowitzqu1j0t3: what do you mean?Mar 13 16:58
schestowitzThe marketing part?Mar 13 16:58
sebsebsebschestowitz: anyway I like the woman I replied to :), she will probably end up on better distro's a bit later on anyway :)Mar 13 16:58
schestowitzIt's hard to face marketing people and raise these issuesMar 13 16:58
schestowitzsebsebseb: yeah :-)Mar 13 16:59
qu1j0t3schestowitz:  > Your concept that any business, no matter how small, is still a potentiallyMar 13 16:59
qu1j0t3 > exploitative corporate entity, is rather astounding.  From personalMar 13 16:59
sebsebsebschestowitz: so many Ubuntu fan boys on identica though hmmMar 13 16:59
sebsebsebschestowitz: also you know how Ubuntu is the biggest group on there, uh right yeah, but it probably has a lot of spam accounts in it as wellMar 13 16:59
qu1j0t3the problem is more the growth model, e.g. going public, etc, imho schestowitzMar 13 16:59
sebsebsebin fact maybe it's, because of the spam/fake accounts that is the most popularMar 13 16:59
qu1j0t3schestowitz: it emulates cancerMar 13 17:00
schestowitzIPOMar 13 17:00
schestowitzMorals aside, money firstMar 13 17:00
schestowitzElse you get firedMar 13 17:00
qu1j0t3yes.Mar 13 17:00
schestowitzThe cancer assimilats nearby cells or destroys themMar 13 17:00
qu1j0t3the militaristic hierarchy also helps this processMar 13 17:01
qu1j0t3schestowitz: aiui, cancer is about unrestrained and unsustainable (fatal) growthMar 13 17:01
qu1j0t3which is exactly what a corporation doesMar 13 17:01
schestowitzLike lots of issues in IT as well... systems that encourage immorality and remove moral elements to increase powerMar 13 17:01
schestowitzTesco sells everything nowMar 13 17:01
schestowitzWal-mart selling insurance and houses yet?Mar 13 17:02
qu1j0t3cui bono? :)Mar 13 17:02
qu1j0t3schestowitz: in all likelihood yes.Mar 13 17:02
schestowitzMicrosoft sells patent licences nowMar 13 17:02
schestowitzIt promotes the lawyers with the baseball batMar 13 17:02
schestowitzMoving where there's BizNizMar 13 17:02
schestowitz"Join the real world"|"Are you AGAINST MONEY?!?!?"|"the world will never change" :-)Mar 13 17:04
qu1j0t3http://twitter.com/#!/natlsecuritycnn/status/46980665736048641Mar 13 17:10
TechrightsBot-sc@natlsecuritycnn: BREAKING - @edhenrycnn reporting that PJ Crowley out as State Dept spokesman after criticizing treatment of Bradley Manning.  #StateDeptMar 13 17:10
qu1j0t3http://twitter.com/#!/marcambinder/status/46980475847319553Mar 13 17:11
TechrightsBot-sc@marcambinder: .@nationaljournal  confirms that @pjcrowley has resigned as State spox. @edhenrycnn was first to report. DoD/WH furious at his Manning cmntsMar 13 17:11
sebsebsebschestowitz: Anyway nice your moving people away from Ubuntu now to better distro's?Mar 13 17:11
qu1j0t3http://twitter.com/#!/SteveHynd/status/46980279138648064Mar 13 17:12
TechrightsBot-sc@SteveHynd: RT @ggreenwald: Crowley resigned "under pressure from WH" - http://is.gd/yuyqbN - detainee abuse is allowed - speaking out against it isn't.Mar 13 17:12
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sebsebsebschestowitz: anyway I should have eaten earlier, but I got to sucked into identica and IRCMar 13 17:14
sebsebsebso yeah food time very soon now for me :)Mar 13 17:14
sebsebsebschestowitz: nisshh MinceR Altough here's the link I was going to give earlier: http://www.alexhudson.com/2011/03/12/fedora-15-gnome-leadership/Mar 13 17:16
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qu1j0t3http://twitter.com/#!/newsycombinator/status/46978844229509120Mar 13 17:16
TechrightsBot-sc@newsycombinator: Police Return Seized Hardware to Victorious BitTorrent Admin, Trashed http://j.mp/hJcuqPMar 13 17:16
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qu1j0t3http://www.wildbunny.co.uk/blog/?p=132Mar 13 17:18
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schestowitzBlechMar 13 17:46
schestowitzFBMar 13 17:46
sebsebsebschestowitz: yes Facebook :( pretty much, however I did get onto a kind of interesting link to do with it earlier, from IdenticaMar 13 17:47
schestowitzI have a wiki page about facebookMar 13 17:48
sebsebsebschestowitz: i'll find the link soon or whatever, food timeMar 13 17:50
schestowitzOK, thanksMar 13 17:52
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qu1j0t3schestowitz:  I guess u saw this. http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/03/11/1525246/Eric-Schmidt-a-Contender-For-US-Commerce-SecretaryMar 13 18:23
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Eric Schmidt a Contender For US Commerce Secretary - Slashdot .::. Size~: 94.02 KBMar 13 18:23
schestowitzhaven't yet, no...Mar 13 18:27
schestowitzIntel's CEO also got some major seat...Mar 13 18:27
schestowitzDisgustingMar 13 18:27
qu1j0t3rightMar 13 18:27
qu1j0t3revolving door turning so fast it's now a blur... who said that ... Mar 13 18:27
schestowitzNow they put in the throne the very same people whom they tried to hide so that the public can't tell who really runs the countryMar 13 18:27
qu1j0t3"you're not with us you're against us"Mar 13 18:28
qu1j0t3says it allMar 13 18:28
schestowitzSo tell us, Mr. Gates, what should we use on PCs at schools?Mar 13 18:28
qu1j0t3unelected Ed. MinisterMar 13 18:28
schestowitzYesMar 13 18:28
schestowitzHe's in his 50sMar 13 18:28
schestowitzCan buy new organsMar 13 18:28
qu1j0t3Democracy(TM)Mar 13 18:28
schestowitzSo give him another 50Mar 13 18:28
schestowitzLike David RockychairMar 13 18:28
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abeNd-orghttp://www.engadget.com/2011/03/13/atandt-will-cap-dsl-u-verse-internet-and-impose-overage-fees/Mar 14 03:53
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MinceRhttp://www.reddit.com/tb/ep838Mar 14 20:34
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schestowitzLOLMar 14 20:42
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schestowitzI have problems sleeping as little as I used to... sleep not kicking in just yet... and then I sleep over 8 hours/night for like a week nowMar 14 23:17
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/jdub/status/47335940770889728 http://twitter.com/jstedfast/statuses/47340248488869888Mar 14 23:28
TechrightsBot-sc@jdub: If there is an Evil Overlord of #GNOME 3.0, it is undoubtedly that shadowy French figure, Vincent Untz.Mar 14 23:28
TechrightsBot-sc@jstedfast: @jdub oh that guy is evil. I heard he works for that evil empire corp. that secretly pulls all the strings that only techrights can seeMar 14 23:28
qu1j0t3ughMar 14 23:32
schestowitzNovell employee BTWMar 14 23:34
schestowitzMono/XimianMar 14 23:34
qu1j0t3well, there are none so blind as those who will not seeMar 14 23:46
oiaohmqu1j0t3: what about those who don't want to see.Mar 15 00:03
qu1j0t3referring to jdub et alMar 15 00:04
qu1j0t3jstedfast, specificallyMar 15 00:05
qu1j0t3the Business of DenialMar 15 00:05
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schestowitzThe role of Novell sometime seems to pollute Microsoft competitors with patent bair such as Silver Lie and .NETMar 15 06:28
schestowitz> Dear Doctor Roy,Mar 15 06:29
schestowitz> Mar 15 06:29
schestowitz> Mr. Yves de Montcheuil, VP of Marketing of Talend, have given meMar 15 06:29
schestowitz> permission to translate his article & post it on our Spanish portal.Mar 15 06:29
schestowitz> Mar 15 06:29
schestowitz> Here's is the link to his article:Mar 15 06:29
schestowitz> Mar 15 06:29
schestowitz> http://www.talend.com/blog/2011/02/25/no-matter-what-you-call-it-a-rat-is-still-a-rat/Mar 15 06:29
schestowitz> Mar 15 06:29
TechrightsBot-scTitle: No matter what you call it, a rat is still a rat… at  Talend blog .::. Size~: 62.31 KBMar 15 06:29
schestowitz> As soon as I'm done with it. I'll send it to you!Mar 15 06:29
schestowitz> I'm happy we're back. BTW the house picture looks very nice. Are you aMar 15 06:31
schestowitz> home decorator?Mar 15 06:31
schestowitz> Mar 15 06:31
schestowitz> Anyway, here it goes:Mar 15 06:31
schestowitz> Mar 15 06:31
schestowitz> mobile-platforms-and-platform-security_ESMar 15 06:31
schestowitzHeh. No, someone else did it.Mar 15 06:32
schestowitzPlease try to double-check to see I post the translations correctly.Mar 15 06:32
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qu1j0t3http://www.zdnet.co.uk/blogs/the-open-source-revolution-10014902/out-with-windows-2000-in-with-fedora-14-10021893/Mar 15 19:13
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schestowitzOT (Ubuntu and stuff):Mar 15 20:04
schestowitz> Loved the video...I like all the big windows and light...great wallpaper in the kitchen too!  Thanks for sending it. It was almost like a realMar 15 20:04
schestowitz> visit! Maybe I should get a video camera and send you some footage of my studio/office and the crazy little house I live in. Mar 15 20:05
schestowitzIf you visit the UK one day, definitely let me know. I love guests.Mar 15 20:05
schestowitz> It's funny that you suggested downloading Mint 10 with KDE.  I already had it ready in case the Fedora install didn't work out.  But I ended up trying both on different drives.  I was surprised at Fedora, it was MUCHMar 15 20:05
schestowitz> nicer than the last time I tried it (maybe two years ago), and Mint seems nice too, but I need to work with both of them a bit more and learn my way around.Mar 15 20:05
schestowitzI have used both, but with Mint I only used the GNOME side of version 10. Actually, I used Fedora 14 in two different places of work; I still work with it daily (today most of the day) and sometimes it makes me a little upset because it has bugs. Well, that's fair enough though cause my programs still have bugs, too.  I use Fedora for development (details in my personal blog).Mar 15 20:05
schestowitz> I truly have enjoyed using Ubuntu with Gnome. It's always worked with the hardware I've had at hand, and for most of the installs I've done for other people's computers it's been so easy. Mar 15 20:05
schestowitzYes, I have no resentment for GNOME. There's that subculture in GNOME which promotes Microsoft though. Mar 15 20:05
schestowitz> It's also been disheartening to see so many people being so hatefulMar 15 20:05
schestowitz> towards Ubuntu.  It's a shame.  Sadly, whenever I see some sort of dust-up over Ubuntu it always seems to originate with Gnome people who are pro-mono/Banshee. Mar 15 20:05
schestowitzI've been a promoter of Ubuntu since the start. You can still search the Web for public posts of mine from the dawn of Ubuntu; I was an early adopter and brought some people to it. Mar 15 20:05
schestowitz> I've decided to stick with Ubuntu, for now.  Mostly because it would be a shame for folks to just run away at the first sign of problems.  IMar 15 20:05
schestowitz> think chasing everyone away from Canonical and Ubuntu is actually the goal of the Mono-Gnomer-Banshee-ites (that's what I call them).  The more they can disrupt, divide and degrade the Ubuntu community, the happier they are.Mar 15 20:05
schestowitzCanonical is taking the heat and rethinking its attitude. That's what's important. We both believe in second chances. :-)Mar 15 20:05
schestowitz> I'm just stubborn enough to stand my ground.  It's a bit like the neighborhood I live in.  I've lived in this neighborhood since 1973Mar 15 20:05
schestowitz> (though I did live in other places for a short time during the early 90s).  It has changed a lot over the decades, even gone through some very bad times, as far as crime and blight.  But it has always managed to survive through the troubles.Mar 15 20:05
schestowitzYes, I could leave Manchester a month ago. Instead, I chose to move to a different area in it. I just don't want to be a geon00b in the city I live in (where's the bank, who's in the gym, what's the history/good sites/sights and so on)...Mar 15 20:05
schestowitz> It's not a rich neighborhood, by any means, but it's a stable one, with huge diversity in population.  We (the majority of neighbors) didn't just move away and abandon it to the bad elements, but actually worked together to get things cleaned up, and helped make it safer for the new young families that are moving in. Mar 15 20:05
schestowitzThe place where I live is full of people around my age. In fact, an hour ago there was a nice girl who must be about 30 in the lift with me. She had been jogging past me a couple of minutes earlier and made some eye contact. It's likely I'll see her in the future. This actually reminds me, on Saturday I had friends over for drinks and then we went to pubs, then to a club. There was this girl there whom I was getting along. ItMar 15 20:05
schestowitzturns out that my drunk friend (under circumstances unknown to me) had told this girl to **** o**. I did not know that and when she asked if he was my friend I innocently said "yes". Well...Mar 15 20:05
schestowitz> That's how I feel about Canonical and Ubuntu.  It doesn't seem right to just abandon them when they make mistakes, or to just let the > troublemakers take over and spoil it all. Mar 15 20:05
schestowitzYes, Novell loves what Banshee (Mono, Novell copyrights and developers too) has been doing to Ubuntu. Mar 15 20:05
schestowitz> On the other hand, it never hurts to keep trying other distros, just in case. I've been testing the Natty/Unity since early Alpha, and it's beenMar 15 20:05
schestowitz> very interesting.  But it's also going to be a huge change.  Change is inevitable, and people would complain if Ubuntu stagnated and never progressed (though it seems there are always complainers, no matter what).  But I'm not sure that Natty will be stable by next month's release.  We'll see.Mar 15 20:05
schestowitzUnity is a gamble, but probably not more so than that movement of window buttons to the 'wrong' side...Mar 15 20:05
schestowitz> Anyway, it seems like a good time to revisit other distros, and try to learn to like KDE.  Do you think the Nokia/Microsoft deal will cause permanent harm to QT?  Doesn't KDE use QT? (I'm not quite sure how necessary one is to the other). Mar 15 20:05
schestowitzIt won't harm KDE in any real way. Competition from Android et al. might.Mar 15 20:05
schestowitz> Is there ANYTHING in this world that Microsoft doesn't try to pollute and ruin? (haha, I already know the answer to that one)Mar 15 20:05
schestowitzMicrosoft was initially called Micro-soft (after Bill's genitals) but prior to that it was called garbageware (because Gates had admitted starting this business by "fishing" for code in the garbage cans). Some things never change even 30+ years later. On a more serious notes, Google was called some other stuff or had names like (Larry)PageRank and BackRub (see their logos too, Larry is now CEO by the way). Google is a much Mar 15 20:05
schestowitznicer story about a company growing out of Freedom software and thriving so amazingly quickly, still spreading some software freedom where possible.Mar 15 20:05
schestowitz> Glad to see a new episode of Techbytes!!  You are so serious, and Goblin is so earnest, and Gordon is such a hoot (meaning very funny)...you three make a good team.  I really enjoy the show.Mar 15 20:05
schestowitzYes, I'm too serious on the show, unlike in everyday life. Mar 15 20:05
schestowitz> Ok, guess I'd better put the mouse down and step away from the computer for a while.  Need to do some yard work...tree trimmin' and weed killin' FTW!  \0/ Mar 15 20:05
qu1j0t3geon00b?Mar 15 20:06
qu1j0t3wouldn't last longMar 15 20:06
schestowitzLike...Mar 15 20:06
qu1j0t3i mean the n00bness.Mar 15 20:06
schestowitzWhen you don't know your surroundings wellMar 15 20:06
qu1j0t3right, but that wouldn't take very long to fix, surelyMar 15 20:07
schestowitzIn the past week I spent like 5 hours walking around just to study the areaMar 15 20:07
schestowitzIt takes decades to know your area well... shops, lakes, forests, rough areas (to avoid), booze..Mar 15 20:07
qu1j0t3i suppose. Mar 15 20:08
schestowitzI also spent a long time today in Google Maps, yesterday in OpenStreetMapMar 15 20:08
qu1j0t3but in a large city you should ideally be exploring anywayMar 15 20:08
schestowitzI know the south of Manchester wellMar 15 20:08
qu1j0t3there's piles of neighbourhoods here we haven'tMar 15 20:08
schestowitzCause I lived there for many yearsMar 15 20:08
schestowitzThe north is somewhere I rarely ever went to (without bus/train)Mar 15 20:08
qu1j0t3right, here we rarely go eastMar 15 20:08
qu1j0t3(we live west of downtown)Mar 15 20:09
schestowitzqu1j0t3: I'm still looking for gigs we can doMar 15 20:09
qu1j0t3it looks like i'll get a full time offer hereMar 15 20:09
schestowitzWhen my line is up (With Ethernet) a friend expects me to call himMar 15 20:09
schestowitzUsually I just walk in and get the jobs without any interview (my past 3 jobs are like that) and tomorrow I meet another one at 5... but I think you and the wife are happy in Toronto alreadyMar 15 20:10
schestowitzYou think Manc is like London... with classes and racismMar 15 20:10
schestowitzPsycho at it again... http://us.generation-nt.com/answer/techrights-ok-help-202522932.htmlMar 15 20:16
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Answer : Is Techrights OK? .::. Size~: 29.52 KBMar 15 20:16
qu1j0t3schestowitz: yes and no. Mar 15 20:16
schestowitzIt's a melting pot here, tooMar 15 20:16
qu1j0t3schestowitz: she's applied to a school here. but if she isn't accepted, we have less tieMar 15 20:16
qu1j0t3schestowitz: i mean 'happy in TO already'Mar 15 20:16
schestowitzBecomes more like the US, despite EDL, BNP, and other racist groupsMar 15 20:16
qu1j0t3schestowitz: it's employment dependent; i see more interesting jobs in EuropeMar 15 20:17
schestowitzYou're both from the southMar 15 20:17
schestowitzBrazil and AussieMar 15 20:17
schestowitzSo moving to another continent might not be like leaving the parents and friendsMar 15 20:17
qu1j0t3she has a big problem with that aspect.Mar 15 20:18
qu1j0t3not so easy to cure since her family+friends are all in northeast brazil, which means i can't easily work there, and the climate isn't great.Mar 15 20:19
schestowitzCan VoIP+video help?Mar 15 20:20
qu1j0t3she uses skype all the timeMar 15 20:21
qu1j0t3This listing of lobbyists lobbying Homeland Security, listed by the Sunlight Foundation, lists the areas where Koch Industries is active in that context:Mar 15 20:28
qu1j0t3    9E5ED4F8-FE89-44BA-9052-F19204B5673B,REGISTRATION,Siff & Associates PLLC,Koch Industries Public Sector,2010-11-03 15:01:31, Financial Institutions/Investments/Securities|Energy/Nuclear|Law Enforcement/Crime/Criminal Justice|Homeland Security|Chemicals/Chemical Industry, "Issues related to federal energy and environmental policy; homeland security and critical infrastructure protection; Mar 15 20:28
qu1j0t3criminal justice, legal, and judicial processes reform." Mar 15 20:28
qu1j0t3via http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20110309160558506Mar 15 20:28
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Groklaw - SCO, unXis, Microsoft, Canopy, Carlyle, Elliott Associates, and Koch Industries .::. Size~: 171.2 KBMar 15 20:28
schestowitzOr MehMar 15 20:33
schestowitzDepressing stuff...Mar 15 20:33
schestowitzBut the connections she shows are not always so strongMar 15 20:34
qu1j0t3http://twitter.com/#!/Sierra_Club/status/47759051790106624Mar 15 20:48
TechrightsBot-sc@Sierra_Club: RT @drgrist: Republicans are arguing that to have a healthy economy, you have to accept being poisoned. It's just depraved.Mar 15 20:48
qu1j0t3http://twitter.com/#!/DCPlod/status/47757888856395776Mar 15 20:50
TechrightsBot-sc@DCPlod: Dear David Cameron: I seriously suggest you check the average number of applications per job on a jobsite before you slam the unemployed.Mar 15 20:50
schestowitzHehMar 15 21:24
schestowitzDavid already has a jobMar 15 21:24
schestowitzTBH, many jobs are never advertisedMar 15 21:24
schestowitzYou need to network with peopleMar 15 21:24
qu1j0t3http://twitter.com/#!/LiberalHitGirl/status/47785585116577792Mar 15 22:26
TechrightsBot-sc@LiberalHitGirl: Taxpayers pay around $4,400 each per year on military, and on NPR? That figure is 16c. #tcot #p2Mar 15 22:26
qu1j0t3http://twitter.com/#!/Johngcole/status/47785419793899520Mar 15 22:27
TechrightsBot-sc@Johngcole: Way to sell out, Arianna.  Just what we needed.  http://bit.ly/ftLHCD #bighuffingtonMar 15 22:27
TechrightsBot-sc-> Title: Balloon Juice   » Even the liberal Huffington Post .::. Size~: 78.06 KBMar 15 22:27
schestowitzBlechMar 15 22:46
schestowitzYou made me loathe HuffingtonMar 15 22:46
qu1j0t3I did?Mar 15 22:47
schestowitzI did not concentrate on the people behind the siteMar 15 22:49
schestowitzRather on the issues covered (or syndicated)Mar 15 22:49
qu1j0t3yaMar 15 22:50
qu1j0t3i used to read it as well. not sure when the penny dropped.Mar 15 22:50
qu1j0t3maybe it was Gates' columnMar 15 22:50
schestowitzHeh. You can read that two waysMar 15 22:51
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qu1j0t3http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/03/15/2057231/Poole-To-Zuckerberg-Yoursquore-Doing-It-WrongMar 16 01:09
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Poole To Zuckerberg: You’re Doing It Wrong - Slashdot .::. Size~: 128.63 KBMar 16 01:09
schestowitzWho's Poole?Mar 16 01:09
schestowitzWill from Microsoft?Mar 16 01:09
qu1j0t34chanMar 16 01:10
qu1j0t3'moot'Mar 16 01:10
sebsebsebhttp://identi.ca/conversation/66259732Mar 16 01:10
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 11.75 KBMar 16 01:10
sebsebsebyeah this is so @mageia and a load of other people uh :(Mar 16 01:11
sebsebseboh and @mageia is used by more than one person as far as i knowMar 16 01:11
sebsebsebindeed at people using identica as a dumping ground for TwitterMar 16 01:12
sebsebsebmessagesMar 16 01:12
qu1j0t3https://twitter.com/#!/Pat120/status/47838346273234944Mar 16 02:12
TechrightsBot-sc@Pat120: Just unfollowed @HuffingtonPost - Inviting Breitbart to write for them was the last straw.Mar 16 02:12
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schestowitz> /Yes, Novell loves what Banshee (Mono, Novell copyrights and developersMar 16 08:14
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/66306409#notice-67118030Mar 16 08:16
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 10.88 KBMar 16 08:16
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/67118030e-67118030Mar 16 08:16
TechrightsBot-scNot a dent?Mar 16 08:16
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/67118030Mar 16 08:16
TechrightsBot-sc@Wayne Borean (themadhatter)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Mar-11 00:58:46 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz How to promote Freedom and People's rights? How about #Anonymous ?Mar 16 08:16
schestowitz> Hmmm, she shouldn't have judged you by someone else's behavior.  ThatMar 16 08:17
schestowitz> just seems unfair.  The jogger-girl sounds like she might be a far moreMar 16 08:17
schestowitz> interesting friend.  It sounds like a good neighborhood for meeting newMar 16 08:17
schestowitz> people, I'm glad the move has been a good one for you.Mar 16 08:17
schestowitz> Mar 16 08:17
schestowitz> /Yes, Novell loves what Banshee (Mono, Novell copyrights and developersMar 16 08:17
schestowitz> too) has been doing to Ubuntu./Mar 16 08:17
schestowitz> Mar 16 08:17
schestowitz> I tried Banshee a few times, setting Ubuntu up for friends.  I always toMar 16 08:17
schestowitz> let them choose the software they want, and Banshee gets lots of goodMar 16 08:17
schestowitz> reviews.  But, so far, no one has wanted to keep it.  It seems terriblyMar 16 08:17
schestowitz> buggy. Mar 16 08:17
schestowitz> Mar 16 08:18
schestowitz> /Unity is a gamble, but probably not more so than that movement ofMar 16 08:18
schestowitz> window buttons to the 'wrong' side...Mar 16 08:18
schestowitz> Mar 16 08:18
schestowitz> /Actually, I've been a little surprised by Unity, it's not been as badMar 16 08:18
schestowitz> as I expected.  I really have enjoyed watching it take shape/. /But I'mMar 16 08:18
schestowitz> not sure I'd want to use it full-time.  Maybe by the next release itMar 16 08:18
schestowitz> will be more polished.  /Mar 16 08:18
schestowitz> /Mar 16 08:18
schestowitz> Mar 16 08:18
schestowitz> /It won't harm KDE in any real way. Competition from Android et al. might./Mar 16 08:18
schestowitz> Mar 16 08:18
schestowitz> I'm glad to know that KDE will be fine if something happened to QT. Mar 16 08:18
schestowitz> Mar 16 08:18
schestowitz> /Microsoft was initially called Micro-soft (after Bill's genitals)... /Mar 16 08:18
schestowitz> Mar 16 08:18
schestowitz> Well that might explain a lot...bullies are generally very insecureMar 16 08:18
schestowitz> people.  lolMar 16 08:18
schestowitz> Mar 16 08:18
schestowitz> /...but prior to that it was called garbageware (because Gates hadMar 16 08:18
schestowitz> admitted starting this business by "fishing" for code in the garbageMar 16 08:18
schestowitz> cans). Some things never change even 30+ years later. On a more seriousMar 16 08:18
schestowitz> notes, Google was called some other stuff or had names like (Larry)Mar 16 08:18
schestowitz> PageRank and BackRub (see their logos too, Larry is now CEO by the way).Mar 16 08:18
schestowitz> Google is a much nicer story about a company growing out of FreedomMar 16 08:18
schestowitz> software and thriving so amazingly quickly, still spreading someMar 16 08:18
schestowitz> software freedom where possible./Mar 16 08:18
schestowitz> Mar 16 08:18
schestowitz> Yes, I find the increasingly ugly "Slog" against Google to beMar 16 08:18
schestowitz> worrisome.  They seem to be able to handle it all pretty well, but theyMar 16 08:18
schestowitz> seemed to have taken the kid gloves off recently, especially with theMar 16 08:19
schestowitz> Bing! thing.  I thought that was very funny. Mar 16 08:19
schestowitz> Mar 16 08:19
schestowitz> /Yes, I'm too serious on the show, unlike in everyday life./Mar 16 08:19
schestowitz> Mar 16 08:19
schestowitz> No, you're not too serious (see above)  :)Mar 16 08:19
schestowitz> Mar 16 08:19
schestowitz> /"Thanks for the chat./"Mar 16 08:19
schestowitz> Mar 16 08:19
schestowitz> I've probably become horribly annoying, but thank you for writing back. Mar 16 08:19
schestowitz> I know it takes time out of your day to do so, but it's veryMar 16 08:19
schestowitz> appreciated.  I've enjoyed it and am very proud to know you.  You're aMar 16 08:19
schestowitz> good man and I believe you will do great things.Mar 16 08:19
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qubitarqu1j0t3 - what foodMar 16 20:49
qubitardo you have a recipeMar 16 20:49
qubitari doubt you're growing, and cooking all your food from scratchMar 16 20:55
schestowitzNobody doesMar 16 20:56
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/47880892143767552 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/47881295589675008Mar 16 20:56
TechrightsBot-sc@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz It's old in terms of when things happened, it's new in terms of conclusive evidence in the form of a court filing, not smear.Mar 16 20:56
TechrightsBot-sc@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Moreover, you may remember I discussed it with a Red Hat person here on Twitter last fall and he didn't admit the "old news"Mar 16 20:56
schestowitzMore spin and diversion from him. It's not new, unless you 'dress' it as "new".Mar 16 20:57
qubitarproprietary food is fine?Mar 16 20:59
schestowitzWrong scenarioMar 16 21:00
schestowitzLike the open h/w questionMar 16 21:00
schestowitzWhich RMS is asked a lotMar 16 21:00
qubitarcognitive dissonanceMar 16 21:00
schestowitzThen he takes example of a chairMar 16 21:00
schestowitzWhen you deal with the abundant (like code), rules must changeMar 16 21:00
schestowitzSame with copyrightsMar 16 21:00
schestowitzThe "infinite bread" analogy of RMS springs to mind tooMar 16 21:01
schestowitzSince you don't like RMS I bring that upMar 16 21:01
qubitarI like RMSMar 16 21:01
qubitarI just stopped taking it too farMar 16 21:01
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/67205144Mar 16 21:01
TechrightsBot-sc@Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Mar-11 20:58:44 UTC - Identi.ca: /me very impressed with on-the-fly dual-head handling in #Fedora 14! Plug-and-play...Mar 16 21:01
*schestowitz lovs FedoraMar 16 21:01
schestowitzYou're an ambassador, right?Mar 16 21:02
qubitaryeahMar 16 21:02
qubitarFedora is awesomeMar 16 21:02
schestowitzI saw you had separated FLOSS blog from other subject -- smart moveMar 16 21:02
schestowitzI do the sameMar 16 21:02
schestowitzFedora could benefit from Ubuntu backlashMar 16 21:02
schestowitzI had some people take f14 for a test driveMar 16 21:03
qubitarFedora actually works with UpstreamMar 16 21:03
schestowitzIMHO, Ubuntu could use a little challengeMar 16 21:03
qubitarit doesnt take upstreams work and divert the fundingMar 16 21:03
sebsebsebUbuntu needs some proper competitionMar 16 21:03
sebsebsebFedora isn't it!Mar 16 21:03
schestowitzDominance made it very arrogant and its choices (e.g. ignoring the community) is symptom of that harms of this HubrisMar 16 21:03
MinceRsebsebseb: there's suseMar 16 21:03
schestowitzThe community needs to grab the dev by the earsMar 16 21:03
sebsebsebSuse isn't it either!Mar 16 21:03
schestowitzNot the other way aroundMar 16 21:03
MinceRsame agenda, etc.Mar 16 21:03
sebsebsebin fact none of the current distro's areMar 16 21:03
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qubitarif you don't like Fedora i'd recommend opensuseMar 16 21:04
qubitari wouldn't recommend anything elseMar 16 21:04
schestowitzAnd if Ubuntu slurped most GNU Linux users and got this way, then it's time for it to slip enough to have more competiton... would be good for everyoneMar 16 21:04
sebsebsebopensuse is linked to  Novell thoughMar 16 21:04
sebsebsebschestowitz and MinceR beloved NovellMar 16 21:04
sebsebseb:DMar 16 21:04
MinceRnot reallyMar 16 21:04
schestowitzAttachMSFTMar 16 21:04
sebsebsebschestowitz: is it really called AttachMSFT now?Mar 16 21:05
qubitarim convinced opensuse has enough of its own powerMar 16 21:05
sebsebsebis it offical?Mar 16 21:05
schestowitzPaul Singer&BallmerMar 16 21:05
qubitarif novell really did hold all the strings, KDE wouldn't have made it to default desktopMar 16 21:05
MinceRi hated back when novell netware lite couldn't make two PCs see each otherMar 16 21:05
sebsebsebMinceR: no you love all these companeis really espesaily Canonical, Microsoft, and Apple, in most loved orderMar 16 21:05
schestowitzThe odeo show of Hawn the bison slayer, Darl McBride from Novell, and YarroMar 16 21:05
MinceRi wonder how you arrived at that orderMar 16 21:06
sebsebsebMinceR: heh I am messing with you again :)Mar 16 21:06
MinceRyou're doing it wrongMar 16 21:06
schestowitzLOLMar 16 21:06
sebsebsebuh yeah maybeMar 16 21:06
qubitarsebsebseb what would you suggest over Fedora and openSUSEMar 16 21:06
schestowitzstandup comedy from the resident sebsebsebMar 16 21:06
sebsebsebqubitar: Mandriva, PC Linux OS, and Mageia when it's more developed :)Mar 16 21:06
qubitarahhhMar 16 21:06
qubitaryou're on that mandriva baseMar 16 21:07
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schestowitzPC Linus OS lost some momentumMar 16 21:07
schestowitzIt's not dead, just not as visibleMar 16 21:07
sebsebsebor a lot of momentum it lostMar 16 21:07
sebsebsebMageia has a chance at gaining quite a lot of market share, when more developed I think :)Mar 16 21:07
qubitarcompetition is goodMar 16 21:07
sebsebsebas long as the community is strong :)Mar 16 21:07
schestowitzAnd a couple of weeks ago I updates a mate;s machine that I put pclos on... some repos were not thereMar 16 21:07
sebsebsebschestowitz: yes libio was being re done and suchMar 16 21:07
sebsebsebschestowitz: repo's are fine nowMar 16 21:08
schestowitzNot just thatMar 16 21:08
qubitaropensuse has a lot of features I want fedora to copyMar 16 21:08
qubitarlolMar 16 21:08
schestowitzI was trying to find ekiga on reposMar 16 21:08
sebsebsebqubitar: also Linux Mint based on Ubuntu isn't that bad really,  and of course there's Linux Mint Debian Edition as wellMar 16 21:08
schestowitzSo I marked/ticked all of themMar 16 21:08
schestowitzThey used to have games reposMar 16 21:08
sebsebsebqubitar: in fact I am much more impressed with Mint now, than I used to be, because Ubuntu itself, is getting so bad now reallyMar 16 21:08
qubitarsebsebseb I have a personal preference to avoid deb based distrosMar 16 21:08
sebsebseband Mint is like,  nice graphicsMar 16 21:08
schestowitzPCLinuxOS is rock solid anywayMar 16 21:09
sebsebsebnice mint menuMar 16 21:09
sebsebsebMint has everything I like from Ubuntu, looking nicer, and some added user friendly, basicalleyMar 16 21:09
schestowitzMint is as good as Ubuntu... because of what it isMar 16 21:09
schestowitzBut it's even less liberal than UbuntuMar 16 21:09
sebsebsebschestowitz: Mint is better than Ubuntu now reallyMar 16 21:09
schestowitzSeems soMar 16 21:09
schestowitzAlthough I haven;'t tried ubuntu 10.10Mar 16 21:09
schestowitzJust 10.0 LTS on some boxesMar 16 21:09
schestowitz*04Mar 16 21:10
qubitarI tried Kubuntu 10.10Mar 16 21:10
sebsebsebwell 10.10 is pretty similar to 10.04, just the theme got a tiny bit better, and there's a sound menu as wellMar 16 21:10
sebsebsebfor exampleMar 16 21:10
qubitarit was smart enough to figure out I had a netbook and used the interfaceMar 16 21:10
sebsebsebqubitar: or you mean KDE was smart enough to figure that outMar 16 21:11
sebsebsebanyway Kubuntu is very close to upsteram KDEMar 16 21:11
sebsebsebas far as I knowMar 16 21:11
qubitarsebsebseb - no, opensuse and fedora didnt detect my netbookMar 16 21:11
sebsebsebI mean the not changing the theme and so onMar 16 21:11
qubitari had to manually enable the netbook interfaceMar 16 21:11
sebsebseboh okMar 16 21:11
qu1j0t3schestowitz: https://twitter.com/#!/rubberstamprosk/status/48127625599787008Mar 16 21:14
TechrightsBot-sc@rubberstamprosk: How The Wealthy Plan to Finance The American Aristocracy With Middle Class Dollars  http://bit.ly/eozK3I  #youcut #pledge #gopwwf #p2 #tcotMar 16 21:14
TechrightsBot-sc-> Title: How The Wealthy Plan to Finance The American Aristocracy With Middle Class Dollars - Rick Ungar - The Policy Page - Forbes .::. Size~: 183.87 KBMar 16 21:14
schestowitzqu1j0t3: not now :-)Mar 16 21:26
schestowitzI'm trying to get other work done without getting annoyed by the world's real leaders stomping on everyone :-)Mar 16 21:27
qubitarthey're buying off the poor with a cut of that pieMar 16 21:27
schestowitzCoding 9-5 is a lot of fun for the time being. My code and data are located at /home/schestow again for others to audit and there are many meetings, as opposed to working via SSH from home (which is what I'll do when the connection is back). Mar 16 21:28
schestowitzpairs of 3d datasets will be added to my account for experiments this week. I must say I enjoy the project! And we do some heavy work with clusters.Mar 16 21:28
schestowitzqubitar: as alwaysMar 16 21:28
schestowitzBut a lot of people need to be shown thatMar 16 21:29
qubitargtg be back on ender laterMar 16 21:29
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Valbowskihey guys. Any came across a troubleshoot guide for buggy printer drivers making spoolsrv.exe leak handles?Mar 16 21:41
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schestowitzhttp://openbytes.wordpress.com/2011/03/09/windows-7-app-sales-error-next-web-gets-corrected-by-dev/Mar 16 22:19
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Windows 7 app sales error? – Next Web gets corrected by developer « OpenBytes .::. Size~: 44.05 KBMar 16 22:19
schestowitz*LOL* Microsoft is still planting articles?Mar 16 22:19
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Quadrescenceschestowitz: do you know anything about probate (in the USA)?Mar 17 00:13
schestowitzNo, why?Mar 17 00:14
Quadrescenceschestowitz: Just because there's a company whose software is in probate because the owner died, and a former CEO is/was trying to open source it.Mar 17 00:19
QuadrescenceI just wanted to know moreMar 17 00:19
schestowitzdoesn't ring a bell. Toby might knowMar 17 00:25
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MinceRbtw, a dent from FMtroll somehow made it into #techrights today :>Mar 17 22:19
schestowitzmaybe he started dentingMar 17 22:20
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schestowitzhiMar 18 20:00
FurnaceBoyhiMar 18 20:03
schestowitzI'll dent a bit today as I got spare banwidth to spend. BT mailed me today.... a few more days before normalityMar 18 20:07
schestowitzAlthough it has been somewhat productive to be offline.. https://identi.ca/notice/67428262Mar 18 20:08
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TechrightsBot-sc@Dr. Roy Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 18-Mar-11 20:05:55 UTC - Identi.ca: Fedora, Importance of GNU/Linux Competition, and Technological Freedom  http://ur1.ca/3kj0s #fedora #gnu #linux #freedomMar 18 20:09
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TechrightsBot-scTitle: BBC News - Home wi-fi '30% slower' than fixed broadband .::. Size~: 56.28 KBMar 18 20:28
schestowitzMobile broadband speeds are actually decent, but throttledMar 18 20:29
schestowitzOne of my monitors is knackered and the prices of monitors have oddly enough not come down in the past 3 years ?!!?!?!!!!# http://www.aria.co.uk/Products/Monitors/24%26quot%3B+Monitors/Mar 18 20:47
TechrightsBot-scTitle: 24 inch tft monitors - Aria Technology .::. Size~: 52.04 KBMar 18 20:47
schestowitzMinceR: https://identi.ca/notice/67431748Mar 18 20:47
TechrightsBot-sc@Stéphane Marguet (stemp)'s status on Friday, 18-Mar-11 20:39:56 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz No no no please ! No OSuX, ,nor M$. If you have arguments, you don't need name's calling :/Mar 18 20:47
MinceRyes, bow before the holy dignity of crApple and m$Mar 18 20:48
schestowitzI like "OSux", it's funnyMar 18 20:48
MinceRrespect them for all the great things they've done, such as... what exactly?Mar 18 20:48
schestowitzBranding achievementsMar 18 20:49
qubitarmonitors came down since I purchased my last oneMar 18 20:54
qubitar$230 for my 19 inch a few years agoMar 18 20:55
qubitarnow 20+ is $120ishMar 18 20:55
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schestowitzI bought a 24'inch in 2008 for about 150 (IIRC)Mar 18 21:07
schestowitzNow the cheapest one is about 130 (same size)Mar 18 21:07
schestowitzMemory and magnetic storage cost fall much much fasterMar 18 21:08
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/67433227Mar 18 21:08
TechrightsBot-sc@Stefano Maffulli (smaffulli)'s status on Friday, 18-Mar-11 20:53:39 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Google search results are different for everybody. What's the important news?Mar 18 21:08
schestowitzPeter Brown has stepped downMar 18 21:08
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ircolle/status/48847795976810496Mar 18 21:09
TechrightsBot-sc@ircolle: Better link: http://bit.ly/gfHgoK RT @schestowitz: Important news about FSF head stepping down not covered by mainstream press.Mar 18 21:09
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MinceRso did Bradley Kuhn and yet the world didn't end :>Mar 18 21:10
schestowitzwhen?Mar 18 21:10
schestowitzRecently?Mar 18 21:10
schestowitzHe rejoinedMar 18 21:10
MinceRafaik he was the previous executive director before Peter BrownMar 18 21:12
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hUNJm_2C09zXzYlqrYEXHNOGp17g?docId=5f92143a51e34e398156a72f312a63b4Mar 18 21:12
TechrightsBot-scTitle: The Associated Press: Goldman Sachs in Kremlin investment fund talks .::. Size~: 9.63 KBMar 18 21:12
schestowitzMinceR: pete left after the fundraiserMar 18 21:12
MinceRdid he state his reasons?Mar 18 21:13
schestowitzAnd they can't seem to get much traction in a world of self-acclaimed pragmatistsMar 18 21:13
schestowitzMinceR: noMar 18 21:13
schestowitzHe wants a break, he saysMar 18 21:13
schestowitzSo not snatched for a big wageMar 18 21:13
schestowitz*LOL* The Onion treated like a household name now? http://osdir.com/Article10717.phtmlMar 18 21:16
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schestowitzI bet he therefore pushed this into /. FP by submitting self-produced liesMar 18 21:17
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schestowitzMonitoring work today.... I read about the mysql headache in the mailing lists. Glad it's dealt with, nagios keeps the major errors away before they can even affect operation.Mar 19 09:00
schestowitzMonitoring work today.... I read about the mysql headache in the mailing lists. Glad it's dealt with, nagios keeps the major errors away before they can even affect operation.Mar 19 09:00
schestowitzSo not much denting until tonightMar 19 09:00
schestowitzSo not much denting until tonightMar 19 09:00
schestowitzJust to inform you, BT comes to enable my broadband on Tuesday. Until then I carry on using a dongle, but O2 mobile broadband appears to be hostile towards VPN, which means I use lynx on the  servers (over SSH) to access the resources I need. Next week will be simpler :-)Mar 19 09:16
schestowitzJust to inform you, BT comes to enable my broadband on Tuesday. Until then I carry on using a dongle, but O2 mobile broadband appears to be hostile towards VPN, which means I use lynx on the  servers (over SSH) to access the resources I need. Next week will be simpler :-)Mar 19 09:16
schestowitzJust got: "Glad to see you're back and almost back up to your normal prodigious self...haha."Mar 19 09:17
schestowitzJust got: "Glad to see you're back and almost back up to your normal prodigious self...haha."Mar 19 09:17
schestowitzUnless there are objections, I will avoid politics in my dents, I thinkMar 19 09:17
schestowitzUnless there are objections, I will avoid politics in my dents, I thinkMar 19 09:17
schestowitzTo the extent possible anywayMar 19 09:18
schestowitzTo the extent possible anywayMar 19 09:18
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schestowitzI think o2 blocks vpn...  o2 mobile broadbandMar 19 16:22
schestowitzI think o2 blocks vpn...  o2 mobile broadbandMar 19 16:22
schestowitzWhat rubbishMar 19 16:22
schestowitzWhat rubbishMar 19 16:22
qu1j0t3which vpn?Mar 19 16:27
qu1j0t3which vpn?Mar 19 16:27
qu1j0t3you can probably just use a different vpn they don't block :)Mar 19 16:28
qu1j0t3you can probably just use a different vpn they don't block :)Mar 19 16:28
schestowitzopenvpnMar 19 16:36
schestowitzopenvpnMar 19 16:36
qu1j0t3hm, my favourite :)Mar 19 16:38
qu1j0t3hm, my favourite :)Mar 19 16:38
qu1j0t3tried switching ports?Mar 19 16:39
qu1j0t3tried switching ports?Mar 19 16:39
qu1j0t3do you think they inspect packets?Mar 19 16:39
qu1j0t3do you think they inspect packets?Mar 19 16:39
schestowitzIt doesn't matter muchMar 19 16:47
schestowitzIt doesn't matter muchMar 19 16:47
schestowitzIn 3 days I get a proper BT connectionMar 19 16:47
schestowitzIn 3 days I get a proper BT connectionMar 19 16:47
schestowitzUnlimitedMar 19 16:47
schestowitzUnlimitedMar 19 16:47
schestowitzSSH+Xfest will commence :-)Mar 19 16:47
schestowitzSSH+Xfest will commence :-)Mar 19 16:47
schestowitzhttp://www.osor.eu/news/de-company-network-to-be-funded-to-develop-open-source-business-software-1Mar 19 16:50
schestowitzhttp://www.osor.eu/news/de-company-network-to-be-funded-to-develop-open-source-business-software-1Mar 19 16:50
TechrightsBot-scTitle: DE: Company network to be funded to develop open source business software — .::. Size~: 30.07 KBMar 19 16:50
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schestowitzqu1j0t3: what would you say if me (or anyone) decided to not cover as much political stuff in twitter?Mar 19 16:51
schestowitzqu1j0t3: what would you say if me (or anyone) decided to not cover as much political stuff in twitter?Mar 19 16:51
qu1j0t3it's your call, i wouldn't judge anyone for itMar 19 16:52
qu1j0t3it's your call, i wouldn't judge anyone for itMar 19 16:52
qu1j0t3priorities changeMar 19 16:52
qu1j0t3priorities changeMar 19 16:52
qu1j0t3i am tweeting lessMar 19 16:52
qu1j0t3i am tweeting lessMar 19 16:52
qu1j0t3schestowitz: it's very likely that i will accept a full time offer i receivedMar 19 16:53
qu1j0t3schestowitz: it's very likely that i will accept a full time offer i receivedMar 19 16:53
schestowitzCongratsMar 19 16:53
schestowitzCongratsMar 19 16:53
schestowitzThe political stuff can fall on deaf ears if people subscribe based on one's FOSS contentMar 19 16:55
schestowitzThe political stuff can fall on deaf ears if people subscribe based on one's FOSS contentMar 19 16:55
schestowitzNot deceptive to political signalMar 19 16:55
schestowitzNot deceptive to political signalMar 19 16:55
schestowitzAnd I saw you too left the wikileaks avatar (assange) behind for nowMar 19 16:55
schestowitzAnd I saw you too left the wikileaks avatar (assange) behind for nowMar 19 16:55
Mar 19 17:09:25 <qu1j0t3>for now...Mar 19 17:09
qu1j0t3for now...
schestowitzThey are still angry at Guardian\Mar 19 17:13
schestowitzThey are still angry at Guardian\Mar 19 17:13
schestowitzThe Guardian happily attacks Wikileaks for kicksMar 19 17:13
schestowitzThe Guardian happily attacks Wikileaks for kicksMar 19 17:13
schestowitzWhile getting millions in kickbacks from Bill Gates to worship him and his wifeMar 19 17:14
schestowitzWhile getting millions in kickbacks from Bill Gates to worship him and his wifeMar 19 17:14
schestowitzThat paper starts making me sickMar 19 17:14
schestowitzThat paper starts making me sickMar 19 17:14
schestowitzAnd since RMS links to it a lot, I thought about staying out of that area of "progressives" (funded by Gates)Mar 19 17:14
schestowitzAnd since RMS links to it a lot, I thought about staying out of that area of "progressives" (funded by Gates)Mar 19 17:14
Mar 19 17:15:17 <schestowitz>RMS has eventsecond link linking them. I don't fault RMS, but reading him leads me to citing The GrauniadMar 19 17:15
schestowitzRMS has eventsecond link linking them. I don't fault RMS, but reading him leads me to citing The Grauniad
schestowitzWikileaks=badMar 19 17:15
schestowitzWikileaks=badMar 19 17:15
schestowitzGAtes monopolisation=admirableMar 19 17:15
schestowitzGAtes monopolisation=admirableMar 19 17:15
schestowitzThanks, GrauniadMar 19 17:15
schestowitzThanks, GrauniadMar 19 17:15
qu1j0t3right, thinks are not improving muchMar 19 17:21
qu1j0t3right, thinks are not improving muchMar 19 17:21
qu1j0t3things*Mar 19 17:21
qu1j0t3things*Mar 19 17:21
schestowitzI knowMar 19 17:22
schestowitzI knowMar 19 17:22
schestowitzWell, more to write about to teach people, on the upside, I guess...Mar 19 17:23
schestowitzWell, more to write about to teach people, on the upside, I guess...Mar 19 17:23
schestowitzhttp://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?entry_id=84205 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?entry_id=84434 I don't get it. Why did he become so famous all of a sudden? Some TV show breakthrough?Mar 19 17:24
schestowitzhttp://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?entry_id=84205 http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/blogs/techchron/detail?entry_id=84434 I don't get it. Why did he become so famous all of a sudden? Some TV show breakthrough?Mar 19 17:24
TechrightsBot-scTitle: @charliesheen sets new Twitter speed record? Zero to 1 million in 24 hours : The Technology Chronicles .::. Size~: 69.8 KBMar 19 17:24
TechrightsBot-scTitle: @charliesheen sets new Twitter speed record? Zero to 1 million in 24 hours : The Technology Chronicles .::. Size~: 69.8 KBMar 19 17:24
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Charlie Sheen joins Ustream : The Technology Chronicles .::. Size~: 66.89 KBMar 19 17:24
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Charlie Sheen joins Ustream : The Technology Chronicles .::. Size~: 66.89 KBMar 19 17:24
schestowitzNow he's like a meme, but I'm not entirely sure how/whyMar 19 17:25
schestowitzNow he's like a meme, but I'm not entirely sure how/whyMar 19 17:25
qu1j0t3schestowitz: bad behaviour in a culture that values bad behaviour.Mar 19 17:25
qu1j0t3schestowitz: bad behaviour in a culture that values bad behaviour.Mar 19 17:25
schestowitzThat's counter-intuitive and the impression I got tooMar 19 17:25
schestowitzThat's counter-intuitive and the impression I got tooMar 19 17:25
qu1j0t3it's not counterintuitive.Mar 19 17:25
qu1j0t3it's not counterintuitive.Mar 19 17:25
schestowitzLike pulling a knife on (ex) wifeMar 19 17:25
schestowitzLike pulling a knife on (ex) wifeMar 19 17:25
qu1j0t3it's what we have already provenMar 19 17:25
qu1j0t3it's what we have already provenMar 19 17:25
qu1j0t3yesMar 19 17:25
qu1j0t3yesMar 19 17:25
qu1j0t3schestowitz: almost everything is backward.Mar 19 17:25
qu1j0t3schestowitz: almost everything is backward.Mar 19 17:25
qu1j0t3Manning is tortured, Bush walksMar 19 17:25
qu1j0t3Manning is tortured, Bush walksMar 19 17:25
schestowitzHehMar 19 17:25
schestowitzHehMar 19 17:25
schestowitzCounter-cultureMar 19 17:26
schestowitzCounter-cultureMar 19 17:26
qu1j0t3etc etc etc Mar 19 17:26
qu1j0t3etc etc etc Mar 19 17:26
qu1j0t3thieves are fetedMar 19 17:26
qu1j0t3thieves are fetedMar 19 17:26
schestowitzAnd he hangs around with some conpiracists tooMar 19 17:26
schestowitzAnd he hangs around with some conpiracists tooMar 19 17:26
qu1j0t3honest men attackedMar 19 17:26
qu1j0t3honest men attackedMar 19 17:26
schestowitzRMSMar 19 17:26
schestowitzRMSMar 19 17:26
qu1j0t3Sheen, the violent maniac, rewarded, treated as the pinnacle of successMar 19 17:26
qu1j0t3Sheen, the violent maniac, rewarded, treated as the pinnacle of successMar 19 17:26
qu1j0t3ditto Gates, the ultimate con manMar 19 17:26
qu1j0t3ditto Gates, the ultimate con manMar 19 17:26
schestowitzI guess RMS' mistake is that he goes against wealthMar 19 17:26
schestowitzI guess RMS' mistake is that he goes against wealthMar 19 17:26
qu1j0t3his mistake is having principlesMar 19 17:27
qu1j0t3his mistake is having principlesMar 19 17:27
schestowitzNever screw with TV produces and HollywoodMar 19 17:27
schestowitzNever screw with TV produces and HollywoodMar 19 17:27
qu1j0t3in that culture, it's a crime to be honestMar 19 17:27
qu1j0t3in that culture, it's a crime to be honestMar 19 17:27
schestowitzScrewing the small people=OK (see Goldman Sachs)Mar 19 17:27
schestowitzScrewing the small people=OK (see Goldman Sachs)Mar 19 17:27
qu1j0t3yesMar 19 17:27
qu1j0t3yesMar 19 17:27
schestowitzStalking from people more powerful than you -> MadoffMar 19 17:27
schestowitzStalking from people more powerful than you -> MadoffMar 19 17:27
schestowitz*StealingMar 19 17:27
schestowitz*StealingMar 19 17:27
qu1j0t3destroy foreign societies with bombs, destroy domestic society with the neutron bomb of fraudMar 19 17:28
qu1j0t3destroy foreign societies with bombs, destroy domestic society with the neutron bomb of fraudMar 19 17:28
qu1j0t3schestowitz: at a minimum you should read this: https://twitter.com/#!/rubberstamprosk/status/48127625599787008 https://twitter.com/#!/qu1j0t3/status/48532385230372864Mar 19 17:32
qu1j0t3schestowitz: at a minimum you should read this: https://twitter.com/#!/rubberstamprosk/status/48127625599787008 https://twitter.com/#!/qu1j0t3/status/48532385230372864Mar 19 17:32
TechrightsBot-sc@rubberstamprosk: How The Wealthy Plan to Finance The American Aristocracy With Middle Class Dollars  http://bit.ly/eozK3I  #youcut #pledge #gopwwf #p2 #tcotMar 19 17:32
TechrightsBot-sc@rubberstamprosk: How The Wealthy Plan to Finance The American Aristocracy With Middle Class Dollars  http://bit.ly/eozK3I  #youcut #pledge #gopwwf #p2 #tcotMar 19 17:32
TechrightsBot-sc-> Title: How The Wealthy Plan to Finance The American Aristocracy With Middle Class Dollars - Rick Ungar - The Policy Page - Forbes .::. Size~: 196.19 KBMar 19 17:32
TechrightsBot-sc-> Title: How The Wealthy Plan to Finance The American Aristocracy With Middle Class Dollars - Rick Ungar - The Policy Page - Forbes .::. Size~: 196.19 KBMar 19 17:32
TechrightsBot-sc@qu1j0t3: 'In [American] version of air "war,"..the killing &the dying are perfectly and precisely..separated. We kill, they die' http://shar.es/3Q7dfMar 19 17:32
TechrightsBot-sc@qu1j0t3: 'In [American] version of air "war,"..the killing &the dying are perfectly and precisely..separated. We kill, they die' http://shar.es/3Q7dfMar 19 17:32
TechrightsBot-sc-> Title: Taking the "war" out of air war - War Room - Salon.com .::. Size~: 79.32 KBMar 19 17:32
TechrightsBot-sc-> Title: Taking the "war" out of air war - War Room - Salon.com .::. Size~: 79.32 KBMar 19 17:32
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/66335539Mar 19 17:33
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/66335539Mar 19 17:33
TechrightsBot-sc@Georg C. F. Greve (greve)'s status on Monday, 07-Mar-11 13:06:14 UTC - Identi.ca: Dear Universities, are you listening? Free Software competency is almost a job guarantee these days!Mar 19 17:33
TechrightsBot-sc@Georg C. F. Greve (greve)'s status on Monday, 07-Mar-11 13:06:14 UTC - Identi.ca: Dear Universities, are you listening? Free Software competency is almost a job guarantee these days!Mar 19 17:33
schestowitzThanks, I'll add thoseMar 19 17:33
schestowitzThanks, I'll add thoseMar 19 17:33
qu1j0t3the air war thing is something i've been thinking about for a long timeMar 19 17:33
qu1j0t3the air war thing is something i've been thinking about for a long timeMar 19 17:33
qu1j0t3it's an abuse of language once againMar 19 17:34
qu1j0t3it's an abuse of language once againMar 19 17:34
qu1j0t3it's no definition of 'war'Mar 19 17:34
qu1j0t3it's no definition of 'war'Mar 19 17:34
qu1j0t3just as israel is not waging a 'war' on palestine. there is no 'battle', no 'conflict'.Mar 19 17:34
qu1j0t3just as israel is not waging a 'war' on palestine. there is no 'battle', no 'conflict'.Mar 19 17:34
qu1j0t3what it is is one over-funded nation throwing ordnance at the helpless.Mar 19 17:34
qu1j0t3what it is is one over-funded nation throwing ordnance at the helpless.Mar 19 17:34
qu1j0t3that's what US/Israel call 'war'Mar 19 17:35
qu1j0t3that's what US/Israel call 'war'Mar 19 17:35
schestowitzzinn, once a bombardier, had interesting things to say about air warMar 19 17:39
schestowitzzinn, once a bombardier, had interesting things to say about air warMar 19 17:39
schestowitz!google youtube kreisler conversation in history zinnMar 19 17:39
schestowitz!google youtube kreisler conversation in history zinnMar 19 17:39
TechrightsBot-sc[1] - YouTube - Conversations with History: Howard Zinn | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DIMt7cFFKPeMMar 19 17:39
TechrightsBot-sc[1] - YouTube - Conversations with History: Howard Zinn | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DIMt7cFFKPeMMar 19 17:39
TechrightsBot-sc[2] - YouTube - Conversations with History - Harry Kreisler | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DoTMQLkHzNk0Mar 19 17:39
TechrightsBot-sc[3] - YouTube - Conversations With History: Political Awakenings | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dr-j2pCHWw1sMar 19 17:39
TechrightsBot-sc[4] - Conversations with History | University of California, Berkeley | http://conversations.berkeley.edu/Mar 19 17:39
TechrightsBot-sc[2] - YouTube - Conversations with History - Harry Kreisler | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DoTMQLkHzNk0Mar 19 17:39
TechrightsBot-sc[3] - YouTube - Conversations With History: Political Awakenings | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dr-j2pCHWw1sMar 19 17:39
TechrightsBot-sc[4] - Conversations with History | University of California, Berkeley | http://conversations.berkeley.edu/Mar 19 17:39
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qu1j0t3schestowitz: http://www.infowars.com/world-war-iii-one-nation-at-a-time/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitterMar 19 21:03
qu1j0t3schestowitz: http://www.infowars.com/world-war-iii-one-nation-at-a-time/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitterMar 19 21:03
TechrightsBot-scTitle: » World War III: One Nation at a Time  Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! .::. Size~: 54.93 KBMar 19 21:03
TechrightsBot-scTitle: » World War III: One Nation at a Time  Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! .::. Size~: 54.93 KBMar 19 21:03
qu1j0t3"They have created a perfect system, a strategy of tension, where we wrestle with one battle after another, work to head-off one war after another, expose meddling and subversion in one nation after another all while their agenda moves ever forward.Mar 19 21:03
qu1j0t3"They have created a perfect system, a strategy of tension, where we wrestle with one battle after another, work to head-off one war after another, expose meddling and subversion in one nation after another all while their agenda moves ever forward.Mar 19 21:03
schestowitzI don't pay much attention to themMar 19 22:56
schestowitzI don't pay much attention to themMar 19 22:56
schestowitzThey said too much stuff that harms their credibility and the comparison of today's West to Nazism is not helpingMar 19 22:56
schestowitzThey said too much stuff that harms their credibility and the comparison of today's West to Nazism is not helpingMar 19 22:56
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schestowitzqu1j0t3: http://reason.com/archives/2011/03/09/tiny-cuts-big-complaintsMar 20 10:30
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Tiny Cuts, Big Complaints - Reason Magazine .::. Size~: 194.37 KBMar 20 10:30
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qu1j0t3schestowitz: https://twitter.com/#!/mediaguardian/status/49552408300359680Mar 20 19:48
TechrightsBot-sc@mediaguardian: BBC World Service to sign funding deal with US state department http://gu.com/p/2nq3j/tfMar 20 19:48
qu1j0t3schestowitz: W. T. F.Mar 20 19:48
TechrightsBot-sc-> Title: BBC World Service to sign funding deal with US state department | Media | The Guardian .::. Size~: 92.54 KBMar 20 19:48
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schestowitzno disguise of independence thenMar 20 20:28
qu1j0t3astonishingMar 20 20:37
schestowitzNot reallyMar 20 20:50
schestowitzIf it said Murdoch I'd be angryMar 20 20:50
schestowitzFor Clinton to use the BBC to carry on the agenda of foreign policy trend setting and wikileaks smaering is normalMar 20 20:51
qu1j0t3but funding????Mar 20 20:51
schestowitz!google george orwell quits bbcMar 20 20:51
TechrightsBot-sc[1] - George Orwell Timeline of Important Dates | http://www.shmoop.com/george-orwell/timeline.htmlMar 20 20:51
TechrightsBot-sc[2] - BBC NEWS | UK | How to make a perfect cuppa | http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk/3016342.stmMar 20 20:51
TechrightsBot-sc[3] - W. Scott Lucas Special Commissioned Entry on George Orwell Criticism | http://www.enotes.com/twentieth-century-criticism/special-commissioned-entry-george-orwell-w-scottMar 20 20:51
TechrightsBot-sc[4] - YouTube - 9/11 And The BBC Conspiracy part 1 | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D7vhT2JMH4OUMar 20 20:51
qu1j0t3i remain astonishedMar 20 20:51
schestowitzYesMar 20 20:51
schestowitzTo add "objectivism"Mar 20 20:51
schestowitzWe thought we were paying for thatMar 20 20:52
schestowitzApparently, Clinton does tooMar 20 20:52
qu1j0t3it formalises the role of the bbc as an agent of us foreign policyMar 20 20:52
schestowitzWhich beats the purpose reallyMar 20 20:52
qu1j0t3i mean we knew it was doing that in effect, but not formallyMar 20 20:52
schestowitzYes, good for mental note and one's bookmark/reflist :-)Mar 20 20:52
schestowitzActually, I should blog it..Mar 20 20:52
schestowitzGive me a while, I know where it fits...Mar 20 20:52
schestowitzBBC WOrld Service is run by a Microsoft UK guyMar 20 20:53
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sebsebsebhiMar 21 14:56
qu1j0t3hiMar 21 14:59
sebsebsebAmundsen-Scott South Pole Station: Freezing fog -28  o in the air  CMar 21 15:00
sebsebsebfeels like 82.0 o in the air CMar 21 15:00
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: I put in the first number wrong that's -58Mar 21 15:01
sebsebsebanyway that's cold and this is according to Gnome weatherMar 21 15:01
qu1j0t3yes, that's cold, but not unusual for the location :DMar 21 15:04
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: MinceR  http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/03/16/fusion-14-thorium/Mar 21 15:05
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Fusion 14 Thorium | Desktop Linux Reviews .::. Size~: 100.24 KBMar 21 15:05
sebsebseband there's a video looks pretty interesting reallyMar 21 15:05
sebsebsebgoing to watch the video properly now :)Mar 21 15:05
sebsebseband yeah Fedora can be quite user friendly as this showsMar 21 15:05
MinceRhm, i don't remember reading about Fusion beforeMar 21 15:05
MinceRbut the basic idea is interesting indeedMar 21 15:06
sebsebsebyeah indeed I don't remember reading about it before eitherMar 21 15:06
sebsebsebalso that's something a Fedora based distro with the Mint menuMar 21 15:06
sebsebsebnot just codecs and what notMar 21 15:07
sebsebsebMinceR: also it has some sort of termainl set up program even for some stuff as the review show's,  I'll have to vm this distro as well of course :)Mar 21 15:07
sebsebsebI don't think Fedora itself is good enough to compete properly against Ubuntu, but this Fusion distro hmm :DMar 21 15:08
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sebsebsebMinceR: qu1j0t3 Seen the video and yeah it's like Mint, but for Fedora and with much more appsMar 21 15:28
sebsebsebnisshh: about at all?Mar 21 15:31
MinceRinstalling banshee (mono) by default is not so niceMar 21 15:34
sebsebsebMinceR: it has Gnome Do as part of it as wellMar 21 15:35
sebsebsebyou watching video or something?Mar 21 15:35
sebsebsebhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JT3dQ9ohLE4&feature=feeduMar 21 15:36
TechrightsBot-scTitle: YouTube         - Fusion Linux 14 Review - Linux Distro Reviews .::. Size~: 85.95 KBMar 21 15:36
MinceRnope, just reading the reviewMar 21 15:36
sebsebsebit's still quite impressiveMar 21 15:36
sebsebsebby the looks of it going by the review and videoMar 21 15:36
sebsebsebMinceR: also loads of distro's do Mono stuff by default, Ubuntu being a prime exampleMar 21 15:37
MinceRi'm aware of itMar 21 15:39
MinceRand i'm not happy about itMar 21 15:39
sebsebsebanyway check out the video for fusion LInux :)Mar 21 15:39
sebsebsebpretty goodMar 21 15:39
sebsebsebMinceR: Mint menu is pretty niceMar 21 15:40
sebsebsebyes it's a Gnome 2 patch, but not made by Canonical/Ubuntu and one that is pretty good really :)Mar 21 15:41
MinceRindeedMar 21 15:41
MinceRi'm not sure if i'd want to use the gnome panel thoughMar 21 15:41
sebsebsebapplications places and system you mean or?Mar 21 15:42
sebsebsebI would have that at the top as well :)Mar 21 15:42
sebsebseblike I did with the install of Linux Mint 9 (based on Ubuntu 10.04) that I did for my brother in JanMar 21 15:42
sebsebsebolder brotherMar 21 15:42
MinceRi mean gnome-panelMar 21 15:42
sebsebsebuh what's wrong with the Gnome 2 panels?Mar 21 15:42
MinceRif i did, i'd of course replace the wordy menus with oneMar 21 15:42
sebsebsebthe wordy menus ?Mar 21 15:43
MinceRthe ones you mentionedMar 21 15:43
sebsebsebthere's an option in Gnome 2 so can have a Mar 21 15:43
sebsebsebwellMar 21 15:43
sebsebsebmenu list insteadMar 21 15:43
MinceRwell, i'm not sure yet if i will be able to configure gnome-panel for the new desktop layout i'm planning as i want toMar 21 15:43
sebsebseblike a start menu in WindowsMar 21 15:43
MinceRyes, i used thatMar 21 15:43
sebsebsebXPMar 21 15:43
sebsebseb95 28Mar 21 15:43
sebsebsebuh 98Mar 21 15:43
sebsebsebMinceR: anyway for Ubuntu 11.04 the Ubuntu classic modeMar 21 15:44
sebsebsebwill haveMar 21 15:44
sebsebsebthatMar 21 15:44
MinceRwell, more like KDE, since the button is just an icon thenMar 21 15:44
sebsebsebandMar 21 15:44
sebsebsebit's getting the global menuMar 21 15:44
sebsebsebin a way I should say already has those,  since it already does in development for quite a while nowMar 21 15:44
MinceRi stopped caring for ubuntuMar 21 15:44
sebsebsebthe global menu, the window buttons in the panel thing, uh :(Mar 21 15:44
sebsebsebMinceR: I think Fusion Linux may be a distro for me to start doing support for :DMar 21 15:45
sebsebsebhere and thereMar 21 15:45
sebsebsebMinceR: now what I do is I don't help with Ubuntu anymore, and help with other distro's here and there instead :DMar 21 15:45
sebsebsebMinceR: well if they got an IRC channel hmmMar 21 15:46
sebsebsebMinceR: uh something odd going on with my computer now it seems, or my browser anyway Firefox hmmMar 21 15:48
sebsebsebMinceR: ok want to test something for me?Mar 21 15:49
sebsebsebmaybe not quite the best thing to test thoughMar 21 15:49
MinceRcan't do it now, leaving work right now :>Mar 21 15:50
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sebsebsebMinceR: seems the site I was trying to go onto earlier has been cracked into by the way, hence the redirect  to a slightly odd pageMar 21 18:31
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/67705778Mar 21 21:03
TechrightsBot-sc@G. Forbes (goforbes28)'s status on Monday, 21-Mar-11 12:05:49 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz No problem.  I saved the edit in the wiki yesterday.Mar 21 21:03
sebsebsebschestowitz: Firefox 4 tommorow and I am not looking forward!Mar 21 21:24
schestowitzIt's not in repos, is it?Mar 21 22:09
schestowitzFirefox has been crashing a lot for me this past week, I don't known whyMar 21 22:09
schestowitzUsually it happens one a month, not once a dayMar 21 22:09
qu1j0t3hehMar 21 22:09
schestowitzYou too?Mar 21 22:37
schestowitzI was trying to think if they pushed a silence auto-update for security reasonsMar 21 22:37
schestowitzBut nothing I can think of... or noticed... it puts me off really. I already have chromium as fallback if Firefox makes me as furious as the bank made me todayMar 21 22:38
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/49957201653141504Mar 21 22:41
TechrightsBot-sc@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Saw your article. I'm not "jubilant" about any patent infringement suit. I wonder which statement in my post makes you think soMar 21 22:41
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/ender2070/status/49960980221931520Mar 21 22:42
TechrightsBot-sc@ender2070: @vioma @Enderle @FOSSpatents sounds like we got an #msft convention going down ;) /cc @schestowitzMar 21 22:42
schestowitzyes, they do tend to exchanged and share food idea, O'Gara and Ed Bought tooMar 21 22:42
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qu1j0t3schestowitz: no, Ffx hasn't crashed on me much lately.Mar 21 23:42
qu1j0t3schestowitz: sure it's not Flash?Mar 21 23:42
schestowitzNot likely given preceding activityMar 21 23:57
schestowitzWordpress mostlyMar 21 23:57
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/RealHPT/status/49982587829096449Mar 22 00:13
TechrightsBot-sc@RealHPT: @schestowitz Yes, but step in right direction. Resistance due to legacy expectations, but newer generation adapts easily with an open mind.Mar 22 00:13
schestowitzExactly. Mar 22 00:14
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qu1j0t3schestowitz: you can't escape, you know. :) ---------> http://walt.foreignpolicy.com/posts/2011/03/21/what_intervention_in_libya_tells_us_about_the_neocon_liberal_alliance?sms_ss=twitter&at_xt=4d8808790fb760f3,1Mar 22 02:28
TechrightsBot-scTitle: What intervention in Libya tells us about the neocon-liberal alliance - By Stephen M. Walt | Stephen M. Walt .::. Size~: 100.18 KBMar 22 02:28
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/67777635Mar 22 07:43
TechrightsBot-sc@qu1j0t3's status on Tuesday, 22-Mar-11 01:17:04 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz there's already a gnu tee ... or is that the joke?Mar 22 07:43
schestowitztim called goatee gnuteeMar 22 07:43
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/67777706Mar 22 07:43
TechrightsBot-sc@qu1j0t3's status on Tuesday, 22-Mar-11 01:17:53 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz I thought F/OSS people all hated Opera anyway? [new Groups also crashes Opera 10.x, but apparently Opera's bug; 10.x is flaky]Mar 22 07:43
schestowitzdecent broswer, but proprietaryMar 22 07:43
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*Topic for #boycottnovell-social set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Fri May 7 00:20:14 2010Mar 29 08:41
schestowitzI'm backMar 29 08:54
schestowitzFinally.Mar 29 08:54
MinceRwbMar 29 09:30
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schestowitz:-)Mar 29 09:59
schestowitzFaster connection than before this one...Mar 29 09:59
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/wazzer_bt/statuses/51553599796416512Mar 29 10:36
TechrightsBot-scNot a tweet?Mar 29 10:36
schestowitzHere's my latest mail to them (FWIW, and for lying trolls to realise they just spread libel about it)Mar 29 10:57
schestowitz"Mar 29 10:57
schestowitzThanks very much for pulling the strings needed to finally fix my line (I reported this to BT and they ignored it at first, despite insistence), subsequently for me to receive the call from the delivery company. I now have a hub and a working connection.Mar 29 10:57
schestowitzIssues that remain up for discussion are: 1) compensation (esp. the for line deactivation which had me wait at home for 3 days, missing work on 2, not being able to communicate with anyone, having to travel to city to phone BT many times); 2) calls made by someone foreign to me on the wrongly-activated line (will I be charged for those?);  3) A delay (one week) in arrival of parcel & activation (caused mainly by (1)).Mar 29 10:57
schestowitzI appreciate you rushing things as you competently did. But the weeks of hell since line deactivation is someone you seem to have promised to compensate for.Mar 29 10:57
schestowitz"Mar 29 10:57
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/67728437Mar 29 11:02
TechrightsBot-sc@satipera (satipera)'s status on Monday, 21-Mar-11 16:22:58 UTC - Identi.ca: Just catching up with !techbytes 35. @openbytes says "In my opinion what MS has continually excelled with..." Great comic timing you got me.Mar 29 11:02
schestowitzI'm back to IRC too... and logging it againMar 29 11:14
schestowitzI think we may have lost some stuff when tessier__ was down for a whileMar 29 11:14
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/BTCare/status/52739426429845504Mar 29 15:39
TechrightsBot-sc@BTCare: @schestowitz Sorry you had problems, good to see you got sorted in the end. If you need help in future feel free to tweet anytimeMar 29 15:39
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sebsebsebHiMar 29 16:52
schestowitzo/Mar 29 20:58
schestowitzBack to normal now...Mar 29 20:58
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schestowitzThere is this project called ISBAMar 29 23:15
schestowitzIt tries to share Chinese knowledge about hardware manu'Mar 29 23:15
schestowitzHere's some info and background to anyone who might want to contribute....Mar 29 23:15
schestowitz(21:47:55) anon: hi, are you really a doctorMar 29 23:15
schestowitz(21:48:20) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: yes, not GP typeMar 29 23:15
schestowitz(21:48:30) anon: phd?Mar 29 23:15
schestowitz(21:48:44) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: yes, medical biophysicsMar 29 23:15
schestowitz(21:49:07) anon: Do you mind if I ask why are you working for XXXXX?Mar 29 23:15
schestowitz(21:51:10) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I do a lot of Linux stuff for ages nowMar 29 23:15
schestowitz(21:51:43) anon: but how come your not make 250K with your phd?Mar 29 23:15
schestowitz(21:51:49) anon: making*Mar 29 23:15
schestowitz(21:52:01) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: phds are not big moneyMar 29 23:15
schestowitz(21:52:32) anon: are you sure? they make a lot in america.Mar 29 23:15
schestowitz(21:54:02) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Depends if working in researchMar 29 23:15
schestowitz(21:54:25) anon: like if you go work for a drug company, you can easily make over 100kMar 29 23:15
schestowitz(21:55:00) anon: I have a friend from china that just got hired by google, they started him out at 85kMar 29 23:15
schestowitz(21:55:10) anon: and he doesnt even have a degree in computersMar 29 23:15
schestowitz(21:55:17) anon: he just worked for novell chinaMar 29 23:15
schestowitz(21:56:00) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Google tried to hire me a few timesMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(21:56:14) anon: how much did they offer you?Mar 29 23:16
schestowitz(21:57:19) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Don't know, they didn't sayMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(21:57:27) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: But it's not the right dilemmaMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(21:57:38) anon: Why didnt you want to work for google?Mar 29 23:16
schestowitz(21:57:43) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: THe question is, do you aspire to do something you enjoy or something that pays more than you need?|Mar 29 23:16
schestowitz(21:58:17) anon: then I got to ask the question why did you go for that phd?Mar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:00:21) anon: sorry to bother youMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:00:35) anon: we can pick up this conversation later if your not in the mood for itMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:03:05) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: The phd is for my research sideMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:03:32) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I mix different fields for personal reasons and it's complementaryMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:04:26) anon: You know you would never make it in china, the only way we have to gauge people is by the amount of money you make.Mar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:06:11) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I didn't know thatMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:06:35) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: But it's similar in the West, although some parts of society think beyond this idiocyMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:06:59) anon: In college everything is about the score you get. out of school its just about the money you make. their is no room for personal creativityMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:07:48) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Yes, that's a shame. I don't want to be a semi-detached cogwheel just to accrue some numbers]Mar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:08:33) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Some people live like this and die unhappy, they can't take their money anywhere when they die and their life sort of died man years ago when they decided to go for wage slavery over passionMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:09:06) anon: You should learn more about china.Mar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:10:32) anon: if your not a slave to your wages, your just a slaveMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:10:43) anon: their is no room for personal freedom for the majority of peopleMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:10:57) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Sounds like what I head in the context of North KoreaMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:11:11) anon: in north korea your just a slave periodMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:11:11) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: But the comparison is uncanny and quite inappropriateMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:11:21) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: People without differentiators are machinesMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:11:39) anon: in china, as long as you dont care about politics you are freeMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:11:53) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I had a CHinese girlfriend who was ambitiousMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:11:56) anon: and money is the only way you can increase the comfort of your lifeMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:12:07) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I didn't understand some parts of her cultureMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:13:06) anon: They are ambitious without  ambitionMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:13:18) anon: its their parents pushing them and they dont know what they wantMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:14:24) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: aYesMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:14:39) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: THe parents' pressure is what I learned from the BBC's programme on CHinaMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:14:53) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Idiotic parentsMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:14:56) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: But it's a cycleMar 29 23:16
schestowitz(22:15:11) anon: why dont you go take your sabbatical in china and india, and you can learn more about foreign cultureMar 29 23:19
schestowitz(22:15:21) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: They replicate their own idiocy (unreasonable for human soul) and pass it on down the generations to mechanise everythingMar 29 23:19
schestowitz(22:15:51) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I thought about it last year, but I enjoy it here and I have plenty of leewayMar 29 23:19
schestowitz(22:16:21) anon: well you will never learn from afar, the japanese have a saying. go see than decide.Mar 29 23:19
schestowitz(22:16:31) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I can't offer china much in terms of contribution, I'd only get in trouble for speaking out about their regimeMar 29 23:19
schestowitz(22:17:37) anon: Why don't you worry about countries that are far worse. at least china is making a serious effort to improve the quality of life for its peopleMar 29 23:19
schestowitz(22:18:11) anon: Your country wants to punish the rich for being hard working and reward the poor for being lazy.Mar 29 23:19
schestowitz(22:19:38) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I think it's the oppositeMar 29 23:19
schestowitz(22:19:54) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: It seems as though the country tries to blame the poor for being poorMar 29 23:19
schestowitz(22:20:07) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: And pass all welfare of substance to those not in need of anyMar 29 23:19
schestowitz(22:20:25) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: And BTW, I do try to help many in impoverished countriesMar 29 23:19
schestowitz(22:20:31) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: See my identica/twitter accountMar 29 23:19
schestowitz(22:20:49) anon: sending money doesnt help. that just lets people rip you off.Mar 29 23:19
schestowitz(22:20:57) anon: if you want to help you need to get your hands dirtyMar 29 23:19
schestowitz(22:21:06) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: See how I contribute, I agree with you on thatMar 29 23:19
schestowitz(22:21:22) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I help by exposing the exploitation and educating the exploitedMar 29 23:19
schestowitz(22:21:31) anon: that doesnt workMar 29 23:19
schestowitz(22:21:45) anon: because that only last for 5 minutes, try focusing on one personMar 29 23:19
schestowitz(22:21:55) anon: then you will have a much longer lasting effect on the worldMar 29 23:19
schestowitz(22:22:17) anon: my friends parents would adopt children and help the boat children from vietnam get settled in americaMar 29 23:19
schestowitz(22:22:49) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I do develop relationships with peopleMar 29 23:19
schestowitz(22:22:52) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: It takes longerMar 29 23:19
schestowitz(22:23:16) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: As I have insinuated, I think you misjudge what I am doing a lot of my timeMar 29 23:19
schestowitz(22:23:48) anon: Well I don't know, but for the most part I believe its every man for him self.Mar 29 23:19
schestowitz(22:24:11) Dr. Roy Schestowitz:   p, li { white-space: pre-wrap; }  What I do does in fact require confronting many conformistsMar 29 23:20
schestowitz(22:24:43) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: For money != for oneselfMar 29 23:20
schestowitz(22:24:49) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: These are not analogousMar 29 23:20
schestowitz(22:24:56) anon: Everyone has the right to their own opinion. trying to change their opinion is as bad as them trying to change yours.Mar 29 23:20
schestowitz(22:25:27) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Opposing, contrary opinions are neededMar 29 23:20
schestowitz(22:25:38) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Propaganda line typically favours those in powerMar 29 23:20
schestowitz(22:25:48) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Lacking dissent, those in power control all mindsMar 29 23:20
schestowitz(22:27:11) anon: You should join a charity project in India. That would allow you to learn a new culture and get your hands dirty.Mar 29 23:20
schestowitz(22:28:11) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I create my own projects for such purposes whose actions take place in other placesMar 29 23:20
schestowitz(22:28:27) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Reforms regarding issues such as patent monopolies, abuse of copyrights, DRM, etc.Mar 29 23:20
schestowitz(22:28:40) anon: You can join my project, www.isba.org.inMar 29 23:20
schestowitz(22:29:02) anon: I want to teach indians how to build shanzhaiMar 29 23:20
schestowitz(22:30:29) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Nice projectMar 29 23:20
schestowitz(22:30:49) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Perhaps we can join forces in some level and extend each others' reachMar 29 23:20
schestowitz(22:31:02) anon: yeah, I am going to write out my 5 years of manufacturing experienceMar 29 23:20
schestowitz(22:31:49) anon: I dont know about that, I just want to teach the indians how to manufacture cheap electronicsMar 29 23:20
schestowitz(22:32:48) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: They do mostly s/w these daysMar 29 23:20
schestowitz(22:33:01) anon: well they should be doing hardwareMar 29 23:20
schestowitz(22:33:07) anon: chinese have the opposite problemMar 29 23:20
schestowitz(22:33:13) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: BRIC has China doing a lot of rare earth, ewaste, heavy manufacuringMar 29 23:20
schestowitz(22:33:15) anon: they only do hardware and not much softwareMar 29 23:20
schestowitz(22:33:39) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I'll tell you what...Mar 29 23:20
schestowitz(22:33:53) anon: Well I would like you to tell me how you pictured your cell phone being manufactured and I can tell you if it is true or not?Mar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:34:21) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I'll speak to people who are involved in http://techrights.org/wiki/ (a project I run) and see if they can addMar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:35:14) anon: well i was talking to a drupal friend of mine, he said I need to do 2 things at first to get a drupal site going. first create the news content, secondly create a good themeMar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:36:05) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: yes, that's trueMar 29 23:26
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schestowitz(22:37:06) anon: Since writing is not my strong suite. I need an editor. And Ive been trying to find somebody that is good at druapl theming that will work cheap.Mar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:37:55) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I have my hands full with techrightsMar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:38:08) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: But if we can share content, we can thenco-editMar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:39:11) anon: I don't know about sharing content, because the only way indians will even thing about making hardware is if they can make money off it. I don't suppose you would want to be associated with a for profit website?Mar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:40:11) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I don't run any for-profit siteMar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:40:19) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I share what I know freelyMar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:40:26) anon: Isba will cater to for profit peopleMar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:40:35) anon: i wont make any money from itMar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:40:57) anon: but the people using the site will want to start their own business'sMar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:41:09) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: What about patents?Mar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:41:13) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: You need to fight those tooMar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:41:17) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: As we doMar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:41:24) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Patents limit sharing, by designMar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:41:30) anon: they dont recognize foreign patents in india and chinaMar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:41:40) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Do you know ACTA?Mar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:41:46) anon: NoMar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:41:47) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: And trans-atlantic treaties?Mar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:41:49) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I leaked someMar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:42:02) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: The US is trying to bribe the right people to push those patents into BRICMar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:42:29) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Policy from the back door to stomp on developing nation is a field I'm more well-versed inMar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:43:24) anon: you need to understand this, in china and india, piracy is such a big part of the economies the governments go out the way to support it.Mar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:43:53) anon: out of their way*Mar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:44:03) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: India is now targeted for fabs tooMar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:44:14) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: My in-law goes there to teach them soonMar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:44:24) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: But Intel is a patent bullyMar 29 23:26
schestowitz(22:44:26) anon: Teach about what?Mar 29 23:27
schestowitz(22:44:26) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Like nvidiaMar 29 23:27
schestowitz(22:44:42) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: how to design the chips (not fabs only)Mar 29 23:27
schestowitz(22:45:01) anon: ok, why does that matter when everyone is using arm and mips?Mar 29 23:27
schestowitz(22:45:11) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: It's not "piravcy" BTW, it's sharingMar 29 23:27
schestowitz(22:45:17) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Somalia has piracyMar 29 23:27
schestowitz(22:45:31) anon: Yeah Stallman said that to me tooMar 29 23:27
schestowitz(22:45:46) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: Western propaganda calls that piracyMar 29 23:27
schestowitz(22:46:16) anon: in fact chinese people dont understand the difference between windows and linuxMar 29 23:27
schestowitz(22:46:25) anon: they think they are both equally freeMar 29 23:27
schestowitz(22:46:33) anon: also chinese value secrets moreMar 29 23:27
schestowitz(22:46:45) anon: so if something is open source, they think something is wrong with itMar 29 23:27
schestowitz(23:13:16) Dr. Roy Schestowitz: I'll see if I can get people interested in ISBA...Mar 29 23:27
schestowitz(23:13:36) anon: thank you, that would be niceMar 29 23:27
schestowitz(23:13:49) anon: I am willing to give up a lot of chinese secretsMar 29 23:27
schestowitzSo there, if you want to get involved, you have the addressMar 29 23:27
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MinceRhttp://i.imgur.com/1LNfo.jpgMar 30 12:04
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schestowitzDo you know people named that?Mar 30 12:29
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schestowitzMaybe JoshuaMar 30 12:35
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tUlxzgRaR-gMar 30 14:15
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schestowitzMinceR: https://identi.ca/notice/68606425Mar 30 14:25
TechrightsBot-sc@Gordon Sinclair (thistleweb)'s status on Wednesday, 30-Mar-11 11:57:41 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz promoting m0n0? shame on you lolMar 30 14:25
schestowitzmaybe a new name for mono?Mar 30 14:26
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schestowitzm0n0Mar 30 14:31
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sebsebsebgnufreex: why not in the other channel oh and http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/46242-linux-kernel-to-be-released-under-bsd-licenceMar 31 19:24
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sebsebsebhttp://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/46242-linux-kernel-to-be-released-under-bsd-licenceMar 31 19:24
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gnufreexsebsebseb: April's foolMar 31 19:27
sebsebsebgnufreex: yepMar 31 19:28
sebsebsebgreat article thoughMar 31 19:28
gnufreexsebsebseb: It is April in AustraliaMar 31 19:28
gnufreexAnd JapanMar 31 19:28
gnufreexI thinkMar 31 19:28
sebsebsebyep places like thatMar 31 19:28
sebsebsebthat site though is hosted in USA according to my Firefox add onMar 31 19:28
qubitarBy Sam VargheseMar 31 20:02
qubitarFriday, 01 April 2011 00:47Mar 31 20:02
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schestowitzMinceR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9QS0q3mGPGgApr 01 13:57
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schestowitzLOL Chuck Norris ... silly gooseApr 01 14:22
MinceRchuck norris sucksApr 01 14:23
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/70200847Apr 01 14:29
TechrightsBot-sc@Kev Macphail (kevie)'s status on Friday, 01-Apr-11 13:23:29 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz I tried the recent foresight release, but it wasn't as cutting edge as I expected from their blurb on the websiteApr 01 14:29
schestowitzI didn't think it was even maintained anymore (people whom I know that coded for it are quiet online)Apr 01 14:30
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schestowitzhttp://www.eweek.com/c/a/Security/Samsung-Installs-Stealthy-KeyLogger-on-Brand-New-Laptops-265944/ http://news.cnet.com/8301-27080_3-20048896-245.htmlApr 01 19:05
schestowitzmistake from CNYETApr 01 19:05
schestowitzIDG's Mac fan who pretends to like open source joins Mac Asay and that criticism of Red Hat http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/72647Apr 01 19:08
schestowitzTR server has been down for hours BTWApr 01 19:08
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uILsSniSPVcApr 01 20:21
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MinceRschestowitz: can you stop Ender2070's crapflood?Apr 01 20:39
schestowitzLet me catch upApr 01 20:44
schestowitzWe had major downtimeApr 01 20:44
schestowitzSo I wasn't lookingApr 01 20:44
schestowitzWTH?Apr 01 20:44
schestowitzWhat's he doing?!Apr 01 20:45
MinceRhe's switching from one lame troll tactic to the next, that's whatApr 01 20:45
schestowitzMaybe he tries quitting smoking again :0)Apr 01 20:49
schestowitzHe has "moods"Apr 01 20:49
MinceRdoesn't really matterApr 01 20:49
MinceRthere are plenty of people who don't have "moods" that make them write blog posts where they call the FSF "communists" or that make them crapflood the TR channelsApr 01 20:50
MinceRor that call people "morons" because they dared to point out that their latest favorite toy language lacks essential featuresApr 01 20:51
schestowitzEnder2070: you're not a troll, but why did you paste all that stuff, I don't get itApr 01 20:51
schestowitzMinceR: you code, I code, I'm not sure some others who talk about P/Ls do..Apr 01 20:52
Ender2070actually it was incompitence on my endApr 01 20:52
Ender2070irssi is not my forteApr 01 20:52
Ender2070didnt look like anything was pastingApr 01 20:52
MinceRstrange, on my end irssi does show the lines i've pastedApr 01 20:53
MinceRit even asks if i want to paste at all if it's at least 5 lines or soApr 01 20:53
schestowitzMinceR: ah, OK, then just accidentalApr 01 20:53
MinceRi'm not buying itApr 01 20:54
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schestowitzOK, I think we'll get back to doing techbytes a lot more oftenApr 02 12:11
schestowitz"When will you be able to come to the IRC channel? If you are around, let me know... I got wired!!! :-) We ought to record several times per week like we used to; many people listen and I can upload fast (no need for show notes if you're not in the mood for them)."Apr 02 12:11
schestowitzLOL http://twitter.com/#!/SchestowitzLiesApr 02 13:39
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schestowitzObsessedApr 02 13:39
schestowitzToday I resume work (recess since Monday)Apr 02 14:44
schestowitzCode that was sent to me last week was intercepted by E-mail filters on the face of it.Apr 02 14:47
schestowitzThat's why I hate relying on E-mail again...Apr 02 14:47
schestowitzI can't believe that even 2 days ago the Microsoft trolls were *Still* libelling me in order to get attention http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_frm/thread/63358e7aa38fa49e# Even when I'm away they lie. In London I had a meeting, this month it'll be in Wales. I was there for a couple of days, nothing special to report. BT resolved it all on Tuesday, parcel shipping delay..Apr 02 16:08
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schestowitzThey create some fake story about me being disconnected or hosting from home or something.Apr 02 16:09
schestowitzA few months ago they were spreading similar lies about my research grants when in fact everything is fine and ERC is funding me until 2012 or later.Apr 02 16:10
schestowitzI will work with them for a considerable time to come.Apr 02 16:11
schestowitzBut the trolls try to lie and cause trouble, as usualApr 02 16:11
schestowitzThey still start a thread about me several times per week, even though I haven't posted there since last year. And they call *others* "sick" Apr 02 16:16
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schestowitz"Apr 02 16:16
schestowitzHe is very afraid of a flying chair if he and his sock puppets cannotApr 02 16:16
schestowitztotally discredit Roy. Apr 02 16:16
schestowitz"Apr 02 16:16
schestowitzhttp://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/browse_frm/thread/bef1bdab2262c4f6#+Apr 02 16:16
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abeNd-orghttp://lisnews.org/save_america_close_your_libraryApr 02 22:11
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MinceR:DApr 02 22:14
schestowitz"So stop supporting international terrorism. Let your library know how much you love freedom by forcing it to close its doors, for good. For America."Apr 02 22:33
abeNd-orgit is an april fools post, but still pretty scaryApr 02 22:35
MinceRwe're living in a scary placeApr 02 22:38
schestowitzUS libraries are being hijacked by the same prick who takes over schools to indoctrinate the public one wayApr 02 22:38
schestowitzMinceR: come to ManchesterApr 02 22:38
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=22aY1bgbXI8Apr 02 22:39
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abeNd-orgyea, a lot of US libraries are going "commercial"Apr 02 22:40
abeNd-org:Apr 02 22:40
abeNd-orgLibrary Systems & Services, LLC (LSSI)Apr 02 22:43
schestowitzreal?!Apr 02 22:43
abeNd-orglike a local one recently https://docs.google.com/viewer?a=v&q=cache:-P2Qb2c-X4EJ:www.lssi.com/news/Farmers%2520Branch%252011%252017%25202010.pdf+&hl=en&gl=us&pid=bl&srcid=ADGEESgwA8RBuAjzX9DtpGa2oeWpqK3JN2aOoG43dG5RdBS1k9xGuSIuGYFcH1sWo0gHowQD6oF2CIJ_cRAyTzPo0hP61u_Nzr42-yb6yIOkWLwpQPhu8AE-LZZThVcxnPjZAeaQ-Ysf&sig=AHIEtbTFRvdoNafodfBzygtcWlcbRJmOlA&pli=1Apr 02 22:43
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abeNd-orgthey fired everyone thereApr 02 22:44
schestowitz:-(Apr 02 22:44
schestowitzI was gonna say LOL before you mentioned layoffsApr 02 22:44
schestowitzEverything becomes a businessApr 02 22:44
schestowitzUS healthcareApr 02 22:44
schestowitzUSPTO...Apr 02 22:44
schestowitzFDA...Apr 02 22:44
schestowitzBusiness will solve all the world's problem :-)Apr 02 22:44
schestowitz*msApr 02 22:44
schestowitzProfit motive.. ask Fiedman about how the invisible hands will protect us :-)Apr 02 22:44
schestowitz*FiedApr 02 22:45
schestowitz*FriedApr 02 22:45
schestowitzMehApr 02 22:45
schestowitzCan't type on this sofa...Apr 02 22:45
abeNd-org& then rehired people at burger flipping salaries, no requirement for MLS (Master of Library Science), etcApr 02 22:45
MinceRtry typing on a keyboard instead ;)Apr 02 22:45
schestowitzBut at least they feel overqualifiedApr 02 22:45
abeNd-orgno, most didnt bother going backApr 02 22:45
schestowitzA Polish friend of mine is being fired from a job where he over-performedApr 02 22:45
schestowitzHe is a personal trainer and they require that he only writes shoddy programmes for n00bsApr 02 22:46
schestowitzBecause he is actually a fitness expert they let him go..Apr 02 22:46
schestowitzabeNd-org: it's not about qualifications these days but about connectionsApr 02 22:46
schestowitzLike parents, which private college you go to, how many financial barriers for some papers you can get past... I watched a show (which is rare) the other day in London and it showed how extreme this is in hereApr 02 22:47
schestowitzBut the US seems worse in that regard because college is vastly more expensiveApr 02 22:48
schestowitzThat said, in the UK the govt. stops supporting students, too, tripling many students' debtApr 02 22:48
abeNd-orgfunny that you are supposed to be educated, but for most folks to be educated you have to put yourself so far into debt that you probably will never see the light of dayApr 02 22:50
abeNd-orgif they do actually start shutting down public libraries like they have been, or at least commercializing them & charging (beyond usual taxes) for them, will colleges start barring visitors from using collegiate libraries?Apr 02 22:52
schestowitz!google lancelotApr 02 23:01
TechrightsBot-sc[1] - Lancelot - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LancelotApr 02 23:01
TechrightsBot-sc[2] - Lancelot | http://www.pantheon.org/articles/l/lancelot.htmlApr 02 23:01
TechrightsBot-sc[3] - Sir Lancelot (Sir Launcelot) of the court of King Arthur | http://www.sir-lancelot.co.uk/Apr 02 23:01
TechrightsBot-sc[4] - LANCELOT: TEXTS, IMAGES, BASIC INFORMATION | http://www.lib.rochester.edu/camelot/lanmenu.htmApr 02 23:01
schestowitzGreat stuffApr 02 23:01
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/directhex/statuses/54296008703746051Apr 03 07:59
TechrightsBot-sc@directhex: Techrights isn't just the kind o site that posts its April 1st story on March 31st. It also links the GNOME 3 delay story as true on April 2Apr 03 07:59
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/70305386Apr 03 09:59
TechrightsBot-sc@George Hostler (ghostler)'s status on Sunday, 03-Apr-11 08:39:01 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz #Google #humility #algorithm http://ur1.ca/3qzxx I have left a comment, this is more wicked than #Microsoft #Evangelism doc.Apr 03 09:59
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schestowitz@fabsh is reaching 50,000 dents today http://macno.org/denticator/?user=schestowitz&service=identi.ca&chart=flashApr 03 10:04
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schestowitzUseless results on Google... http://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=matlab+find+nose&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8#sclient=psy&hl=en&c2coff=1&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&source=hp&q=matlab+find+nose+3d&aq=f&aqi=&aql=f&oq=&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=c99decee79d1fe4aApr 03 10:26
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schestowitzAt least in my case the libel against me is hardly visible in GoogleApr 03 10:26
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aOF07IlF6LwApr 03 10:43
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schestowitzre http://identi.ca/notice/70320032 - well, maybe this just shows that staying wiith one's name offline is now the best strategyApr 03 15:38
TechrightsBot-sc@George Hostler (ghostler)'s status on Sunday, 03-Apr-11 14:36:14 UTC - Identi.ca: @themadhatter @schestowitz BTW Search on my name and you'll see what I mean - #"Google Humility Algorithm" really sucks, http://ur1.ca/3r2h2Apr 03 15:38
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/70320214Apr 03 15:42
TechrightsBot-sc@George Hostler (ghostler)'s status on Sunday, 03-Apr-11 14:39:57 UTC - Identi.ca: @themadhatter @schestowitz I just wanted to add, even #Bing doesn't do what #Google does, their search engine is a libellous worthless work.Apr 03 15:42
schestowitzThat's because they pick from marginal forumsApr 03 15:42
schestowitzAnd Bong doesn't go far enoughApr 03 15:43
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MinceRhttp://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/angry_nerds.jpgApr 04 13:24
roy_I posted something similar earlierApr 04 14:01
roy_I didn't see it in contextApr 04 14:01
*roy_ is now known as schestowitzApr 04 14:01
schestowitz> My Doctor Roy,Apr 04 14:05
schestowitz> Apr 04 14:05
schestowitz> I can't believe it. Six years flew by. Anyway, but with all myApr 04 14:05
schestowitz> appreciation, here it goes:Apr 04 14:05
schestowitzYes, we're turning 5 soon. We should arrange a techrights party of sorts.Apr 04 14:05
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2011-04-03-007-39-OP-MS-SW-0000Apr 04 14:08
schestowitz"Apr 04 14:08
schestowitzWhile this is still Schestowitz' heavy 'emotionalized'Apr 04 14:08
schestowitzstyle, this is by far the best text authored by him IApr 04 14:08
schestowitzhave read until now. As I wrote in the past: The patentApr 04 14:08
schestowitzsituation in the USA is basically such that you eitherApr 04 14:08
schestowitzbuy a Microsoft software license in order to be allowedApr 04 14:08
schestowitzto use Microsoft software or a Microsoft patent licenseApr 04 14:08
schestowitzin order to be allowed to use software you've developedApr 04 14:08
schestowitz(in part) yourself. And this doesn't solely apply toApr 04 14:08
schestowitzMicrosoft but to each major or even just medium-sizedApr 04 14:08
schestowitzUS-based 'IT company' and to a lot of 'businesses'Apr 04 14:08
schestowitzwhose business is buying patents from dead startupsApr 04 14:08
schestowitzand use these to 'participiate' risklessly in theApr 04 14:08
schestowitz'sunny' parts of other companies which actuallyApr 04 14:08
schestowitzdevelop and produce something, meaning, they get aApr 04 14:08
schestowitzshare of the money (or alternatively, destroy theApr 04 14:08
schestowitzproduct) in exchange for exactly nothing. I've triedApr 04 14:08
schestowitzto read through a couple of software patents in theApr 04 14:08
schestowitzpast and as technical documentation of 'inventions',Apr 04 14:08
schestowitzthese are completely useless: You basically need aApr 04 14:08
schestowitzpatent lawyer in order to figure out what the patentedApr 04 14:08
schestowitzinvention actually is and the only relevant pieces,Apr 04 14:09
schestowitzmeaning, the code and associated documents, areApr 04 14:09
schestowitzmissing, anyway. The hard part of 'softwareApr 04 14:09
schestowitzdevelopment' is not 'coming up with ideas' but turningApr 04 14:09
schestowitzthese ideas into actually working code.Apr 04 14:09
schestowitz.Apr 04 14:09
schestowitzThanks to the magnificient USPTO, software developmentApr 04 14:09
schestowitzin the USA or for the US market is essentially illegalApr 04 14:09
schestowitzand the sole 'public benefit' gained in exchange forApr 04 14:09
schestowitzthat is ... the USPTO itself. Apr 04 14:09
schestowitz"Apr 04 14:09
schestowitzlet's see if he is willing to go public... "As a tribute to your major role in the site, I think we ought to do a profile page about you, either static or an article, wherein we explain how you found Free software and how you run parts of the site. This page can then be added to the Spanish portal and make people connect to you also at a personal level (alongside your work portfolio)."Apr 04 14:14
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schestowitz> I will write something about me during the course of the week and asApr 04 17:57
schestowitz> soon as I have it ready email it to you.Apr 04 17:57
schestowitzThat would be niceApr 04 17:58
schestowitz> I wish I could be there. God willing someday my friend! ThanksApr 04 17:58
schestowitzI want to travel to south America one day. I just don't travel much anymore.Apr 04 17:58
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/humphreybc/statuses/54884676451581953Apr 04 17:59
schestowitzme: "thanks. We try ;-)"Apr 04 18:00
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sebsebsebhiApr 04 18:02
qu1j0t3schestowitz: hiApr 04 18:02
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: hiApr 04 18:02
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: hiApr 04 18:02
schestowitz[18:08] <GoForbes28> "it originate from and depends upon" should be "originates"Apr 04 18:11
schestowitzfixedApr 04 18:11
schestowitzIt's nice we are now crowdsourcingApr 04 18:12
sebsebsebschestowitz: I am thinking about maybe trying Ubuntu 11.04 out on here replaceing PC Linux OS with it, soon after releaseApr 04 18:13
sebsebseba few days after release or somethingApr 04 18:13
schestowitzMaybeApr 04 18:17
schestowitzWhat about ubunity?Apr 04 18:17
schestowitzIt's all different by default nowApr 04 18:17
sebsebsebschestowitz: also going to try the Fedora Gnome Shell Live CD later I guessApr 04 18:18
sebsebseblatest one you  knowApr 04 18:18
sebsebsebbefore final comes out very soonApr 04 18:18
sebsebsebschestowitz: yes there will be stuff in Ubuntu 11.04 I won't like, but can remove or ignore that like beforeApr 04 18:20
sebsebsebUbuntu OneApr 04 18:20
sebsebsebfor exampleApr 04 18:20
sebsebsebschestowitz: also it's not like Firefox 4 will be going around telling websites I am running Ubuntu :DApr 04 18:20
sebsebsebit will just say LinuxApr 04 18:20
sebsebseband I have done every release of Ubuntu since the second release in 2005, on real hardware, so why not 11.04 as well?Apr 04 18:20
sebsebsebplus I think to try out Unity properly need to do so on real hardware reallyApr 04 18:21
schestowitzyeah, I see what you mean..Apr 04 18:22
schestowitzGeez, you type so fastApr 04 18:22
schestowitzI can't even read that fastApr 04 18:22
sebsebsebthat wasn't even my fastest :DApr 04 18:22
sebsebsebschestowitz: I'll be idleing in the big Ubuntu channel and such, when 11.04 comes out,  the plan is to hardly ever type there though, which means yep I don't want to do support in thereApr 04 18:23
sebsebseb,but I may end up doing a littleApr 04 18:23
sebsebsebschestowitz: and no I don't think I will be recommending Unity or not in Ubuntu anyway to anyone :DApr 04 18:23
sebsebsebfrom a technical perspective, Unity is hmm, the copyright assignments,   Canonical not really playing upstream properly with it and that kind of thingApr 04 18:24
sebsebsebfrom a user perspective, well it's another software choice,  and something that can be used to compete against Windows and Mac OS X as wellApr 04 18:25
sebsebsebschestowitz: also at the moment Unity will be able to do quite a lot more than Gnome Shell reallyApr 04 18:25
schestowitzsebsebseb: read http://www.itworld.com/open-source/142340/biggest-legal-danger-open-sourceApr 04 18:26
schestowitzit's newApr 04 18:26
schestowitzabout ubuntu tooApr 04 18:26
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sebsebsebplus I easilly have Gnome 2 when I want it with 11.04 as well, if I do thisApr 04 18:26
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sebsebsebaltough yeah with the Canonical patches, unless I remove those, but well I already tried the fall back for 11.04  in  vm, and it's okApr 04 18:27
sebsebsebschestowitz: plus I got certain issues with PC Linux OS that annoy me nowApr 04 18:27
sebsebsebnot being able to play OGG always for example, and I guess MP3 as well, some weird issueApr 04 18:28
sebsebseblistening to techbytes episode 29 right nowApr 04 18:28
sebsebsebby the wayApr 04 18:28
sebsebsebyep I am behind stillApr 04 18:28
sebsebsebby quite a bitApr 04 18:28
sebsebsebschestowitz: I guess if you weren't changing ISP, that techbytes may have been on like episode 40 by nowApr 04 18:28
sebsebsebrather than 35, which I think is the latest?Apr 04 18:29
schestowitzsebsebseb: maybeApr 04 18:29
schestowitzIt's also up to TomApr 04 18:29
sebsebsebschestowitz: kapman lags a lot in PC Linux OS which annoys me.  and these choqok issues ah!Apr 04 18:29
schestowitzTimApr 04 18:29
schestowitzI want to do the show 3 times a weekApr 04 18:29
sebsebseboh 3 a weekApr 04 18:30
schestowitzBut he has too little time, I suggested we record immediately without show notesApr 04 18:30
schestowitzAHHHApr 04 18:30
schestowitzchoqokApr 04 18:30
schestowitzDrove me NUTS todayApr 04 18:30
schestowitzArrrrrrrrrrrrrghApr 04 18:30
sebsebsebHow so?Apr 04 18:30
schestowitzMemroty and crashesApr 04 18:30
sebsebsebit's a nice client when it works properly, but had major issues with it with PC Linux OS :(Apr 04 18:30
schestowitzyes, exactlyApr 04 18:30
schestowitzNice in how it worksApr 04 18:30
schestowitzBut so wrinkled...Apr 04 18:30
sebsebsebwrinkled ?Apr 04 18:31
schestowitzHoggign resources and crashingApr 04 18:31
schestowitzsebsebseb: has creasesApr 04 18:31
sebsebsebfirst of all nagging me about using kwallet, and I would be like no, I don't want to use kwalletApr 04 18:31
sebsebseband it would nag meApr 04 18:31
sebsebseband be really slow to load upApr 04 18:31
sebsebsebthen upgarding choqok and disabling kwallet didn't even help and uhApr 04 18:31
schestowitzyesApr 04 18:32
schestowitzI had that too todayApr 04 18:32
schestowitzIt took it minutes to startApr 04 18:32
schestowitzI thought it had gotten stuckApr 04 18:32
sebsebsebthen some issue aadding account, and then it seemed to open my identica in it later.  ,but all this being really slow to load up issues and so onApr 04 18:32
sebsebsebyes exactly minutes to start up properlyApr 04 18:32
sebsebsebthat kind of thingApr 04 18:32
sebsebseband may have to tell it to open up again sometimes evenApr 04 18:32
schestowitzI manage 6 accounts with it, mostly the tr ones with twitter/identica splitApr 04 18:32
schestowitzAnd I have to minimise it before closingApr 04 18:33
sebsebsebshame Choqok issues, because well it can show 1000 dents in time lines :)Apr 04 18:33
sebsebsebit can go back properly and show 1000 dents in time liensApr 04 18:33
schestowitzOtherwise it crashes withou remembering what I have readApr 04 18:33
sebsebsebschestowitz: sometimes there are some pretty interesting dents on identica I find, but a lot of not intersting dents as wellApr 04 18:33
schestowitzSometimes I get 6000Apr 04 18:33
schestowitzBut then it can take up almost a gig of RAMApr 04 18:33
schestowitzmaybe 700MBApr 04 18:33
sebsebseb,but going through these 52 pages really does suck to see old dents: http://identi.ca/sebsebseb/allApr 04 18:34
TechrightsBot-scTitle: sebsebseb and friends - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 66.3 KBApr 04 18:34
sebsebsebapparanetly statusnet 1.0 will have custom time lines though :DApr 04 18:34
sebsebsebschestowitz: anyway yeah it seems, that Choqok will get issues in other distro's as well :(Apr 04 18:35
schestowitz1.0?Apr 04 18:35
schestowitzsebsebseb: it doesApr 04 18:35
schestowitzeven ubuntuApr 04 18:35
schestowitzAnd I got it from PPA IIRCApr 04 18:35
sebsebsebschestowitz: whatever the  next major version of statusnet isApr 04 18:35
sebsebsebuh your on Ubuntu?Apr 04 18:35
schestowitzkubuntu right now..Apr 04 18:36
schestowitzDepends when/whereApr 04 18:36
sebsebsebKubuntu 11.04 beta?Apr 04 18:36
schestowitzI use fedora at workApr 04 18:36
schestowitzsebsebseb: 10.04 LTSApr 04 18:36
sebsebsebWhy?Apr 04 18:36
schestowitzWhy *not*?Apr 04 18:36
sebsebsebschestowitz: I thought you didn't like Canonical that much anymoreApr 04 18:37
schestowitzWhy do you use Virgin Media?Apr 04 18:37
schestowitzsebsebseb: but that was a year agoApr 04 18:37
schestowitz10.04 < aprilApr 04 18:37
sebsebsebschestowitz: since I don't pay for the  Internet Connection here at the moment,  but I might have to later this year hmmApr 04 18:37
schestowitzSometimes I also test MintApr 04 18:37
schestowitzAh, I envy you..Apr 04 18:38
schestowitzSomeone else deals with ISP mess for you...Apr 04 18:38
schestowitzAnd you share what's available on the line rather than pay 36 quid/month for one userApr 04 18:38
sebsebsebyeah, but that's what happens for loads of people when...Apr 04 18:38
sebsebsebwhen they still...Apr 04 18:38
sebsebsebschestowitz: yep share the connection with my familyApr 04 18:39
sebsebsebDid you get a discount for BT or not?Apr 04 18:40
sebsebsebalso it's not like you need the most expensive package anyway?Apr 04 18:40
schestowitzYes, 33 quidApr 04 18:40
sebsebsebwhat would it be normally?Apr 04 18:40
schestowitzIt doesn't matter, I'm tired of BTApr 04 18:40
sebsebsebyour pretty much stuck with them now I guess?Apr 04 18:40
schestowitzBut I have a working line again, I can't be arsed to shop around againApr 04 18:40
sebsebsebschestowitz: indeedApr 04 18:44
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schestowitz[23:00] <_Goblin> Tonights title - "Escaping the soaps" ????Apr 04 23:04
schestowitz[23:02] <_Goblin> or "Bad Boy Ballmer and his Botched up Business?"Apr 04 23:04
schestowitz[23:02] <_Goblin> or....Apr 04 23:04
schestowitz[23:03] <_Goblin> "Moving the goalposts - Wintrolls concede?"Apr 04 23:04
schestowitz[23:03] <schestowitz> I'll use both :-)Apr 04 23:04
schestowitz[23:03] <_Goblin> Im brainstorming!Apr 04 23:04
schestowitz[23:08] <Guest15745> at meeting tomorrow, but can hook up later in afternoon/evening if you like for foodsApr 04 23:10
schestowitz[23:08] <Guest15745> are you busy tomorrow day?Apr 04 23:10
schestowitz[23:08] <schestowitz> No, all free.Apr 04 23:10
schestowitz[23:08] <schestowitz> What time?Apr 04 23:10
schestowitzApr 04 23:10
schestowitz[23:09] <Guest15745> ok i will bell you in morning off to bed nowApr 04 23:10
schestowitz[23:09] <schestowitz> SureApr 04 23:10
schestowitzApr 04 23:10
schestowitz[23:10] <Guest15745> speak in mornApr 04 23:10
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/55041580108750848Apr 05 00:31
TechrightsBot-sc@Metztli_IT: ♺ @schestowitz: ♺ @dagwieers: CentOS 5.6 release imminent http://tinyurl.com/3fxb5ze ▒& hopefully #CentOS 6.☺ is released before #RHEL 6.1Apr 05 00:31
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schestowitzIf not, they should f**k RHEL (fork I mean, wait, you thought something else? sudo fsck?)Apr 05 00:32
sebsebsebschestowitz: What does segmentation fault mean anyway?Apr 05 00:46
sebsebsebschestowitz: trying to recover some filesApr 05 00:46
schestowitzit goes out of bounds allotted to the programApr 05 00:58
schestowitzUsually means bad programming/code, raising exception and security creeps in to shut it downApr 05 00:59
sebsebsebschestowitz: well two good answers to that then, from bruce and youApr 05 01:01
sebsebseb:)Apr 05 01:01
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/70434023  https://identi.ca/notice/70434201 https://identi.ca/notice/70434468 https://identi.ca/notice/70434704 https://identi.ca/notice/70435187 https://identi.ca/notice/70435718Apr 05 08:01
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/70434023  https://identi.ca/notice/70434201 https://identi.ca/notice/70434468 https://identi.ca/notice/70434704 https://identi.ca/notice/70435187 https://identi.ca/notice/70435718Apr 05 08:02
TechrightsBot-sc@George Hostler (ghostler)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Apr-11 02:40:39 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz I've used Lotus Symphony, both the Linux and Windows versions. It's based on OpenOffice and is easy to use. It is a good suite.Apr 05 08:02
TechrightsBot-sc@George Hostler (ghostler)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Apr-11 02:43:35 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz I like the article's title "Moved by Freedom – Powered by Standards". Standards driven is the only way to go, counters lock-in.Apr 05 08:02
TechrightsBot-sc@George Hostler (ghostler)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Apr-11 02:47:20 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz "But you can copy it!" ... "Depriving its owner of potential income!" LOL we should be standards based and avoid vendor lock-inApr 05 08:02
TechrightsBot-sc@George Hostler (ghostler)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Apr-11 02:50:53 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz "Nokia recently chose Windows Phone 7 .. for its smartphones, which .. says will save on research and development costs" - Not.Apr 05 08:02
TechrightsBot-sc@George Hostler (ghostler)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Apr-11 02:58:18 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz It took a lawsuit from a deceased to make disclosure happen. It all seemed to be manipulated including the housing market crashApr 05 08:02
TechrightsBot-sc@George Hostler (ghostler)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Apr-11 03:05:47 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Perhaps, but to be content with a current version, would it not be practical to base decision on a Ubuntu LTE based Linux Mint?Apr 05 08:02
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/70437052 Long ago they sent many jobs to Asia.Apr 05 08:02
TechrightsBot-sc@George Hostler (ghostler)'s status on Tuesday, 05-Apr-11 03:27:12 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Microsoft employees may be concerned about receiving a pink slip (layoff). IMHO, a lot of resources been off-shored from US.Apr 05 08:02
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qubitarthe computer > neanderthallers > secret societies > governmentApr 05 14:16
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sebsebsebhiApr 05 17:43
qu1j0t3hiApr 05 17:44
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: hiApr 05 17:45
qubitarhiApr 05 18:29
MinceRsebsebseb: hiApr 05 18:30
sebsebsebMinceR: hiApr 05 18:30
MinceRhiApr 05 18:30
qu1j0t3hmApr 05 18:31
qubitarhmApr 05 18:35
qubitarhttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2011/02/16/945768/-The-HB-Gary-Email-That-Should-Concern-Us-AllApr 05 18:45
qubitar'HBGary people are talking about creating "personas", what we would call sockpuppets. This is not new. PR firms have been using fake "people" to promote products and other things for a while now, both online and even in bars and coffee houses.'Apr 05 18:45
qubitar'Using the assigned social media accounts we can automate the posting of content that is relevant to the persona.  In this case there are specific social media strategy website RSS feeds we can subscribe to and then repost content on twitter with the appropriate hashtags. 'Apr 05 18:46
qubitar'There are a variety of social media tricks we can use to add a level of realness to all fictitious personas'Apr 05 18:46
qubitarthe government is making sockpuppets to promote the agendaApr 05 18:48
qubitarthese people are likely on many of our follow listsApr 05 18:48
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schestowitzqubitar: yeah, but old newsApr 05 22:01
schestowitzhttp://www.linuxtoday.com/news_story.php3?ltsn=2011-04-03-007-39-OP-MS-SW-0001Apr 05 22:05
schestowitz"Apr 05 22:05
schestowitzLink: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/By_appointment_to_Her _Majesty_the_QueenApr 05 22:06
schestowitzThis is about granting some very particular guys the exclusive right to exploit a market.Apr 05 22:06
schestowitzThey either amassed an opulent portfolio of patent rights enabling them to even sue the Pope or got rich enough to buy great numbers of patents; all this in turn makes them richer and richer -- to the point their power can vanquish those people they couldn't buy, so they can pry their patents from their cold fingers.Apr 05 22:06
schestowitzThe USPTO sanctions these events, oblivious to all harm made to the small, genuine inventors -- and to all damage done to the consumers who would benefit from those inventors' activity.Apr 05 22:06
schestowitz... because mkt depts can devise lots and lots of ways to extract money from suckers -- and by suckers, I mean us, of course.Apr 05 22:06
schestowitzPS: I fortunately live in a country without software patents... but with initiatives like "son of ACTA" on the horizon, one wonders when the disease is going to spread and reach home sweet home. Apr 05 22:06
schestowitz"Apr 05 22:06
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sebsebsebqu1j0t3: hiApr 06 03:22
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: hiApr 06 03:23
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: so I am wrong, there are parts of the USA a head of me hmmApr 06 03:25
sebsebsebor does this place not  count as being one really?Apr 06 03:26
sebsebsebhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Mariana_IslandsApr 06 03:26
qu1j0t3heheheApr 06 03:34
qu1j0t3well, it's not the continental USAApr 06 03:34
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: now I can't even find that place on date and timeApr 06 04:03
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: anyway I guess my dent is pretty much correct if not correct: http://identi.ca/conversation/68208985#notice-70505924Apr 06 04:05
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: of course I  could send a dent to the !Gnome group saying that,  I might be wrong with some sort of link to do with it, but that would be a bit oddApr 06 04:05
sebsebsebreallyApr 06 04:05
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: want to reply to it maybe, saying something to do with it?Apr 06 04:06
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: I wouldn't sweat it, really.Apr 06 04:08
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: btw http://www.timeanddate.com is a useful site.Apr 06 04:08
sebsebsebyesApr 06 04:09
sebsebsebthat's where I found out about those islands fromApr 06 04:09
qu1j0t3ah.Apr 06 04:09
sebsebsebthen did a Google searchApr 06 04:09
sebsebsebnow can't even find the islands on there thoughApr 06 04:09
qu1j0t3i use it sometimes because i can never keep TZ straight in my head, esp with Daylight SavingsApr 06 04:09
sebsebsebI am reasonably good at them I guessApr 06 04:12
sebsebsebmainly for Europe of course thoughApr 06 04:12
qu1j0t3:)Apr 06 04:12
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/adrocknaphobia/statuses/55443913200238592Apr 06 08:25
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/55505915188740096 https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/55506134651514880 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/55507415696801792 https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/55508980084121600Apr 06 08:30
TechrightsBot-sc@jwildeboer: @FOSSpatents @verofakto @schestowitz for starters http://t.co/q4D6HYZApr 06 08:30
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TechrightsBot-sc@jwildeboer: @FOSSpatents @verofakto @schestowitz and I am pondering to write an angry birds like game called Patent Wars ;-)Apr 06 08:30
TechrightsBot-sc@FOSSpatents: @jwildeboer cc: @verofakto @schestowitz Whenever anyone seeks GPL enforcement, Apple removes GPL'd apps immediately.Apr 06 08:30
TechrightsBot-sc@jwildeboer: @FOSSpatents @verofakto @schestowitz which is worse but flat out putting GPLv3 as excluded in ToS the way MSFT does it is more evil.Apr 06 08:30
schestowitzTHe mobbyists starts to involve stalkers in the coversationApr 06 08:31
schestowitzIt speaks volumesApr 06 08:31
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/55509869234626560  https://twitter.com/jwildeboer/status/55511549061767168 https://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/status/55511635602837504Apr 06 08:31
TechrightsBot-sc@FOSSpatents: @jwildeboer cc: @verofakto @schestowitz ToS must provide clarity for the ecosystem. Worst case: an app is thrown out for no known reason.Apr 06 08:31
TechrightsBot-sc@jwildeboer: @FOSSpatents @verofakto @schestowitz you wanted to know about GPLed apps for iPad. I delivered. EOT for me.Apr 06 08:31
TechrightsBot-sc@FOSSpatents: @verofakto Actually @schestowitz does criticize companies like RHT from time to time, also recently. But he often uses double standards.Apr 06 08:31
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/explodingwalrus/status/55561077425053696Apr 06 10:36
TechrightsBot-sc@explodingwalrus: @schestowitz Nice to see a matt screen on a new laptop :)Apr 06 10:36
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schestowitzMinceR: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tpz8PMcRJSY Double Standard  < good new vidApr 06 11:54
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schestowitz"Apr 06 13:32
schestowitz> You should talk to your lawyer.  I didn't read what you wrote, but IApr 06 13:32
schestowitz> can't advise on any legal issues anyway. There are rules about it.Apr 06 13:32
schestowitzI did not pass it to you for purposes like consultation and we resolved this over at twitter. But the point I was trying to get across, this guy is afraid having said what pretty much left him naked (he may have had a senior moment or gotten sloppy); he pretty much conceded that TH (partly owned by Microsoft) held his hand like Microsoft/W-E held O'Gara's hand while they coordinated uniform, well-planned attacks on Linux/OSDLApr 06 13:32
schestowitz This ought to be fuel for Groklaw.Apr 06 13:32
schestowitz"Apr 06 13:32
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/cheezburgrmania/status/55590434948399104Apr 06 13:33
TechrightsBot-sc@cheezburgrmania: @schestowitz threats against :-( must mean you are effectiveApr 06 13:33
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/70534179Apr 06 13:33
TechrightsBot-sc@satipera (satipera)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Apr-11 12:19:26 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz what is the nature of legal threat from Florian MuellerApr 06 13:33
schestowitzI alluded to him getting non-public information of TurboHercules (partly-owned by Microsoft) and he then took my claim out of context.Apr 06 13:35
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/70534541Apr 06 13:35
TechrightsBot-sc@agentsmith's status on Wednesday, 06-Apr-11 12:26:54 UTC - Identi.ca: @satipera @schestowitz Ops, Mr. Patents is after you, Dr. Roy ?Apr 06 13:35
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schestowitzI seem to be disrupting his lobbying career (which is still in its diapers). He became what he had fought.Apr 06 13:38
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/70535055Apr 06 13:39
TechrightsBot-sc@satipera (satipera)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Apr-11 12:36:52 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Yes, but what legal action is he threatening by email?Apr 06 13:39
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/70537450Apr 06 14:17
TechrightsBot-sc@Techrights' IRC Aggregator (boycottnovell)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Apr-11 13:13:12 UTC - Identi.ca: FFII President Denounces Google’s Bid for Patents  http://ur1.ca/3shl7 #uspto #monoolyApr 06 14:17
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sebsebsebHiApr 06 17:47
qu1j0t3hiApr 06 17:59
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: Gnome 3 today :)Apr 06 18:03
qu1j0t3oh.Apr 06 18:03
qubitartoo bad gnome sucksApr 06 18:14
sebsebsebqubitar: noApr 06 18:14
qubitaryesApr 06 18:14
qu1j0t3yes. no.Apr 06 18:15
qubitarthey don't cooperate with anyone elseApr 06 18:23
qu1j0t3well, their dna is bad. that dangerous nitwit de Icaza.Apr 06 18:23
qu1j0t3i've considered abandoning gnome because of this association.Apr 06 18:24
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: yeah, but he doesn't work on GNome 3 I think?Apr 06 18:26
qu1j0t3sebsebseb: he founded the project.Apr 06 18:26
qu1j0t3hence: faulty DNAApr 06 18:26
sebsebsebyeah Gnome 1 or whateverApr 06 18:26
sebsebseband he did whatever for Gnome 2Apr 06 18:26
sebsebseb,but I think Gnome 3 is mainly because of other people reallyApr 06 18:27
qu1j0t3unfortunately his association is an indelible fact, unless they distanced themselves in writing (and they should!)Apr 06 18:27
qubitargnome will cooperate with freedesktop.org as long as they are using gnomes ideasApr 06 18:34
qubitargtk3 was causing issuesApr 06 18:35
qubitarKDE themes gnome apps so they don't look stupid in KDEApr 06 18:36
qubitarfortunately this problem won't show up for end usersApr 06 18:36
schestowitzqubitar: hiApr 06 19:15
schestowitzqu1j0t3: Quadrescence: yesterday and today I found two more people who can help create the company and get clientsApr 06 19:17
qu1j0t3okApr 06 19:25
qubitaryo yo yo royApr 06 19:50
qubitarwhats upApr 06 19:50
schestowitzjust having some chomod problemsApr 06 20:05
schestowitzin mdiawikiApr 06 20:05
qubitarchomod?Apr 06 20:14
qubitarnever tried mdiawikiApr 06 20:15
qu1j0t3lolApr 06 20:15
schestowitzI've just updated http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/User:SchestowitzApr 06 20:16
TechrightsBot-scTitle: User:Schestowitz - Techrights .::. Size~: 15.81 KBApr 06 20:16
qu1j0t3i hard it works vry wllApr 06 20:16
schestowitzBasically, it was not my faultApr 06 20:16
schestowitzI was on VOIP with a mateApr 06 20:16
schestowitzAnd I tell him I knock my head with itApr 06 20:16
schestowitzThis error: http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/wiki/mediawiki/119354Apr 06 20:16
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Upload Directory Issue | Wikipedia | Mediawiki .::. Size~: 23.31 KBApr 06 20:16
schestowitzBut permissions were fineApr 06 20:16
schestowitzI hadn't even changed themApr 06 20:16
schestowitzIt turns out that it just didn't like the filename!!!Apr 06 20:16
schestowitzSo bad error message basicallyApr 06 20:16
schestowitzhttp://freelish.us/notice/3406382Apr 06 20:22
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Dimitri Dhuyvetter (d)'s status on Wednesday, 06-Apr-11 14:22:57 UTC - freelish.us .::. Size~: 8.9 KBApr 06 20:22
qu1j0t3hm.Apr 06 20:24
qu1j0t3schestowitz:  a new service to special-case in the bot?Apr 06 20:24
schestowitzMaybeApr 06 20:25
schestowitzBut too many casesApr 06 20:25
qu1j0t3three?Apr 06 20:25
qu1j0t3depends if you cite them enough.Apr 06 20:25
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/OpenIBM/statuses/55638390464446464Apr 06 20:26
TechrightsBot-sc@OpenIBM: #RedHat is Not Transparent Enough http://techrights.org/2011/03/01/dubious-secrets/ #linuxApr 06 20:26
schestowitzHmm... IMB?Apr 06 20:26
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schestowitzIBM I meanApr 06 20:26
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/highscale/statuses/55638264094269440Apr 06 20:26
TechrightsBot-sc@HighScale: #Novell’s (#Microsoft-Funded) Anti-#Ubuntu #Propaganda http://techrights.org/2011/03/01/banshee-vs-canonical/Apr 06 20:26
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/statuses/55639161100713984Apr 06 20:27
TechrightsBot-sc@qu1j0t3: MT @petrvanblokland @iA  Monbiot: Here 100% right: http://bit.ly/fGsDDd #astroturfing #microsoft #war #fraud #greed cc @schestowitzApr 06 20:27
TechrightsBot-sc-> Title: The need to protect the internet from 'astroturfing' grows ever more urgent | George Monbiot | Environment | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 262.53 KBApr 06 20:27
schestowitzYeah..Apr 06 20:28
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/verofakto/statuses/55681563437957120Apr 06 20:28
TechrightsBot-sc@verofakto: @schestowitz No, we'll just call you IBM Roy #shill /cc @FOSSpatentsApr 06 20:28
schestowitzWhat a disgusting stalker/shilll... some .NET devApr 06 20:28
schestowitzOr just a bully/mercenaryApr 06 20:28
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/FOSSpatents/statuses/55682534587121664Apr 06 20:28
TechrightsBot-sc@FOSSpatents: @verofakto In terms of focus, @schestowitz is Microsoft Roy more than any other Roy on this planet.Apr 06 20:28
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/verofakto/statuses/55685178907041792Apr 06 20:29
TechrightsBot-sc@verofakto: @schestowitz just called the #FFII "cowards" on his #IBM-sponsored blog. Funny when the zealots are at each other's throats #ideologyfailApr 06 20:29
schestowitzBSApr 06 20:29
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/verofakto/statuses/55698384048234496Apr 06 20:29
TechrightsBot-sc@verofakto: @FOSSpatents ROFLMAO, yes, if we use #BoycottBoy's burden of proof, that means he's employed by #IBM hahahahahahaApr 06 20:29
schestowitzYuckApr 06 20:29
schestowitzWhat a rpickApr 06 20:29
qu1j0t3Followed by @darrenlund and @merlyn.Apr 06 20:30
qu1j0t3seems he's probably a big nameApr 06 20:30
schestowitzhttp://bit.ly/gyz9gsApr 06 20:32
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Twitter / verofakto: @FOSSpatents @schestowitz  ... .::. Size~: 13.24 KBApr 06 20:32
schestowitzLMAOApr 06 20:32
qu1j0t3QueenRania Rania Al AbdullahApr 06 20:37
qu1j0t3A mum and a wife with a really cool day job...Apr 06 20:37
*qu1j0t3 vomitsApr 06 20:37
qu1j0t3Eric Schmidt follows her.Apr 06 20:37
schestowitzGates uses herApr 06 20:42
schestowitzboth are pr whoresApr 06 20:43
qu1j0t3yes.Apr 06 20:45
qu1j0t3Huffington syndicates her.Apr 06 20:45
qu1j0t3...and so the circle is complete...Apr 06 20:45
qu1j0t3I'm just a "mum and a wife".Apr 06 20:46
qu1j0t3couldn't possibly be threateningApr 06 20:46
qu1j0t3perhaps the most blatant use of the trojan horse "just a little woman" trick yetApr 06 20:46
schestowitzyeahApr 06 20:48
schestowitzThe king uses herApr 06 20:48
schestowitzMakes more than half the population in Jordan (women) feel OKApr 06 20:49
schestowitzRepresentedApr 06 20:49
schestowitzAs mothers and wivesApr 06 20:49
sebsebsebschestowitz: Gnome 3 is outApr 06 21:11
qu1j0t3https://twitter.com/#!/GaeMar01/status/55725301560389633Apr 06 21:17
TechrightsBot-sc@GaeMar01: RT @citypolwire: Is  #TonyBlair going to be named chairman of a major UK company tomorrow? Or have I been fed duff info ...Apr 06 21:17
schestowitzqu1j0t3: we're launching soonApr 06 21:19
schestowitzAre you still willing to help if we get Canadian interest?Apr 06 21:19
schestowitzI understand you may take full-time in TO.Apr 06 21:20
schestowitz"Apr 06 21:20
schestowitz> I was just looking at some of your website and the SchestowitzApr 06 21:20
schestowitz> scientific freedom website. Apr 06 21:20
schestowitz> Could tell you are an open software enthusiast. I also read the MissionApr 06 21:20
schestowitz> Statement you the link you gave me.   Apr 06 21:20
schestowitz> Apr 06 21:20
schestowitz> I am interested in taking part, and would be delighted if you consideredApr 06 21:20
schestowitz> including me in the team. Apr 06 21:20
schestowitz> Apr 06 21:20
schestowitz> if there are any information you want me to know about, please let me know.Apr 06 21:20
schestowitz> Apr 06 21:20
schestowitz> Joshua Apr 06 21:20
schestowitzHi Joshua,Apr 06 21:20
schestowitzThanks for getting in touch. The site is under construction in a sense (I built it content-wise while on the train) and it's one among 6 that I have. Some of them are large enough to leave my pages well out of date, as old as 7 to 10 years (my CV for example). I've contacted my friend Mike who will contact Henry, a Linux/DB sysadmin. I have not formally announced this yet, nor have I 'advertised' it in any way (I don't fancy Apr 06 21:20
schestowitzthe term advertised). Currently, to promote scientific freedom I have run http://techrights.org , reaching millions of people there. But there are also accounts like  http://identi.ca/schestowitz  http://twitter.com/schestowitz http://digg.com/schestowitz -- places where we can get the word out. It is essential that we gain clients in order to assure income by deployment. I ought to meet my friend Neil this week, as he knows Apr 06 21:20
schestowitzpeople who might need contracts.Apr 06 21:20
schestowitz"Apr 06 21:20
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schestowitz"Thanks so much. Tomorrow I resume coding and I will tell you how it blends in ASAP."Apr 06 21:33
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schestowitz"Matt Gilman (@iiimadmaniii) is now following your tweets (@schestowitz) on Twitter. "Apr 07 00:59
schestowitz"Bio I'm going to destroy a girl's life, and straighten out my credit at the same time. She'll see and know first hand soon. "Apr 07 00:59
schestowitzHuhApr 07 00:59
qu1j0t3...!Apr 07 01:01
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schestowitzon the pewApr 07 11:22
schestowitz"IT IS easy to spot patterns. People who promote <a href="http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Mono" title="Mono">Mono</a> and <a href="http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Moonlight" title="Moonlight">Moonlight</a> do not usually like GNU/Linux; they like or even love Microsoft software and these projects are ways of spreading this love to more platforms. For the past three years we carried on showing that those who care theApr 07 14:39
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Mono" - Techrights .::. Size~: 11.11 KBApr 07 14:39
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Moonlight" - Techrights .::. Size~: 11.19 KBApr 07 14:39
schestowitzmost about Mono and Moonlight releases are Microsoft journalists, not Linux-focused reported. It speaks volumes."Apr 07 14:39
schestowitzTime to write a rebuttal to it all...Apr 07 14:39
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/TummyCustard/status/55982639752036352Apr 07 15:08
TechrightsBot-sc@TummyCustard: @schestowitz @explodingwalrus Hah, an age old lesson. You cozy up with Microsoft, you're dead within 5 years.Apr 07 15:08
qu1j0t3who are you writing about? SCO comes to mind. Apr 07 15:10
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qu1j0t3hiApr 07 19:17
schestowitzqu1j0t3: just changes my profile in twitter to say "Schestowitz specialises in scientific computing that puts users in control of the entire software stack"Apr 07 21:34
schestowitzI might turn that account into something more specificApr 07 21:35
schestowitzNow just broad politics+linux+etcApr 07 21:35
schestowitzToday I have over here for 3 hours a person who wants to start the business with usApr 07 21:35
schestowitz[let me know when you read this]Apr 07 21:35
qu1j0t3good slogan.Apr 07 21:50
qu1j0t3:)Apr 07 21:50
schestowitzI didn't take much time to think of it, just typed itApr 07 21:53
schestowitzBut the discussion went for a long time and we plan to go live some time soonApr 07 21:53
schestowitzHe lives close, so it's making the basis a bit strongerApr 07 21:54
schestowitzWhat I was thinking is, I will approach matlab usersApr 07 21:54
schestowitzMany are likely to be in America and I can't do it all via ssh, so good to have Quadrescence and you thereApr 07 21:54
schestowitz[assuming it takes off OK, in the sense that we can attract contract work]Apr 07 21:55
Quadrescenceschestowitz: Do you have a British accent?Apr 07 21:55
schestowitzNoApr 07 21:55
qu1j0t3lolwutApr 07 21:55
QuadrescenceDo you have a non-American accent?Apr 07 21:55
qu1j0t3Quadrescence: of course he does.Apr 07 21:55
schestowitznon-AmericanApr 07 21:55
schestowitzaka "them"Apr 07 21:56
schestowitz:-)Apr 07 21:56
qu1j0t3The Others.Apr 07 21:56
schestowitzthe brutesApr 07 21:56
schestowitzQuadrescence: people here usually think I'm from AmericaApr 07 21:57
schestowitzBut anyhoo...Apr 07 21:57
schestowitzSo my plan from December is becoming concreteApr 07 21:57
schestowitzI now have 3 points of contact from which to networkApr 07 21:57
schestowitzI used to have 1Apr 07 21:57
schestowitzBut until the draft site is clearer and more professional-looking we can start making contact (premature would blow off chances)Apr 07 21:58
Quadrescenceschestowitz: Have you written up a prospective business plan at all?Apr 07 22:04
schestowitzNot yetApr 07 22:08
schestowitzThat needs to be done tooApr 07 22:08
schestowitzBut I don't need it for VC, I don't think the nature of this requires much a priori work and development like when you sell s/w as opposes to man hoursApr 07 22:09
Quadrescenceschestowitz: Do you think you'd have a VC?Apr 07 22:11
qu1j0t3VC is crazytown.Apr 07 22:13
QuadrescenceAngel investors are the best investors, right qu1j0t3Apr 07 22:13
Quadrescencequ1j0t3, you are my angel investorApr 07 22:13
qu1j0t3Quadrescence: LOLApr 07 22:13
qu1j0t3Quadrescence: i'd need to see a stock certificate firstApr 07 22:14
qubitarroy wouldn't use vcApr 07 22:14
qubitarit has capitalist in its nameApr 07 22:14
QuadrescencehahaApr 07 22:14
qu1j0t3it's also crazytown.Apr 07 22:14
qu1j0t3roy wouldn't use it because it's nuts.Apr 07 22:14
QuadrescenceWell he said "bla bla doesn't need it for VC", so I figured he'd maybe use it.Apr 07 22:14
qubitarunless hes planning on using the first venture communistApr 07 22:14
schestowitzI could use VCApr 07 22:19
schestowitzIf it became needed, but it's crazy early to mention this at this pointApr 07 22:19
schestowitzBecause it's better to develop a base to work with and start withApr 07 22:19
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sebsebsebschestowitz: hmm http://identi.ca/conversation/68338024Apr 08 00:26
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sebsebsebschestowitz: well that's ashame to read that, and he seemed to have been looking forward to trying the BetaApr 08 00:29
schestowitzsebsebseb: mandriva had a bugApr 08 00:29
sebsebsebschestowitz: uhmm?Apr 08 00:29
schestowitzThey released a fix with boot changsApr 08 00:29
schestowitz!google mandriva corrigendaApr 08 00:30
TechrightsBot-sc[1] - The Games Geeks Play! – LINUX For You Magazine | http://www.linuxforu.com/news/the-games-geeks-play/Apr 08 00:30
TechrightsBot-sc[2] - C/C++ query(nested struct) in C++ | http://www.eggheadcafe.com/software/aspnet/36192062/cc-querynested-struct.aspxApr 08 00:30
TechrightsBot-sc[3] - Linux Standard Base - Viquipèdia | http://ca.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux_Standard_BaseApr 08 00:30
TechrightsBot-sc[4] - amaroK 2.0.1.1: Excellent audio player with covers and smart lists ... | http://www.linuxinet.com/free-linux-software/amarok-2-0-1-1-excellent-audio-player-covers-and-smart-lists.htmlApr 08 00:30
schestowitz!google mandriva errataApr 08 00:30
TechrightsBot-sc[1] - Releases/Mandriva/Errata - Mandriva Community Wiki | http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/Releases/Mandriva/ErrataApr 08 00:30
TechrightsBot-sc[2] - 2008.1 Errata - Mandriva Community Wiki | http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2008.1_ErrataApr 08 00:30
TechrightsBot-sc[3] - 2010.0 Errata - Mandriva Community Wiki | http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2010.0_ErrataApr 08 00:30
TechrightsBot-sc[4] - 2009.0 Errata - Mandriva Community Wiki | http://wiki.mandriva.com/en/2009.0_ErrataApr 08 00:30
schestowitzin 2011 tooApr 08 00:30
sebsebsebschestowitz: can you provide a proper link for a install is slow bug being fixed for Mandriva 2011?Apr 08 00:36
schestowitznoApr 08 00:37
schestowitzit would not bootApr 08 00:37
schestowitzcheck out mandriva official blog about 2 weeks agoApr 08 00:37
schestowitzhttp://www.ubuntu-user.com/Online/Blogs/Amber-Graner-You-in-Ubuntu/Where-are-Ubuntu-servers-being-usedApr 08 00:38
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Where are Ubuntu servers being used? / Amber Graner: You in Ubuntu / Blogs / Online / Home - Ubuntu User .::. Size~: 90.69 KBApr 08 00:38
schestowitzI deployed a couple in the uk last monthApr 08 00:38
sebsebsebschestowitz: :(Apr 08 00:38
schestowitzoh, gimme a break :-)Apr 08 00:39
schestowitzYour distro doesn't target serversApr 08 00:39
sebsebsebschestowitz: my distro is a fewApr 08 00:48
sebsebsebalso your meant to use Debian or CentOS really for servers, not UbuntuApr 08 00:48
schestowitzgnApr 08 00:49
Ender2070why would anyone want to touch mandrivaApr 08 01:12
Ender2070I say that due to mageiaApr 08 01:13
qu1j0t3schestowitz: http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/apr/07/schools-school-funding?CMP=twt_guApr 08 01:26
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Cathie Black and the privatisation of education | Daniel Denvir | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 131.44 KBApr 08 01:26
qu1j0t3Quadrescence: ^^ that's worth reading,  a good summary of how Obama administration is implementing right wing extremist plans to destroy public education. Gates is a big part ofthis effort.Apr 08 01:29
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: turns out they may not do Unity by default in Ubuntu 11.04Apr 08 01:30
qu1j0t3what's Unity again?Apr 08 01:31
*qu1j0t3 doesn't use UbuntuApr 08 01:31
sebsebsebtheir own interfaceApr 08 01:32
sebsebsebinstead of Gnome ShellApr 08 01:32
qu1j0t3what's Gnome Shell?Apr 08 01:32
qu1j0t3the Gnome desktop?Apr 08 01:33
sebsebsebthe new interface for Gnome 3Apr 08 01:33
qu1j0t3oh.Apr 08 01:33
qu1j0t3well i'm kind of interested in trying Gnome 3...Apr 08 01:33
sebsebsebyou can see videos here and so onApr 08 01:33
sebsebsebhttp://gnome3.orgApr 08 01:33
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qu1j0t3i dont really do videos. too oldApr 08 01:33
sebsebsebdownload a  OpenSuse or Fedora test CD evenApr 08 01:33
sebsebsebuh how old are you?Apr 08 01:34
qu1j0t341!Apr 08 01:34
qu1j0t3http://www.malcolmcoles.co.uk/blog/demographic-youtube-uk/Apr 08 01:36
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Quadrescencequ1j0t3: every day I get more angry @ the govApr 08 01:41
qu1j0t3Quadrescence: & the ppl behind them i hopeApr 08 01:53
Quadrescencequ1j0t3: http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/news/2011/04/anonymous-goes-after-sony-makes-it-personal-very-personal.arsApr 08 01:58
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schestowitz[01:29] <qu1j0t3> Quadrescence: ^^ that's worth reading,  a good summary of how Obama administration is implementing right wing extremist plans to destroy public education. Gates is a big part ofthis effort.Apr 08 07:09
schestowitzPart of the obscene view that if *Everything* is turned into business mode, then it improvesApr 08 07:09
schestowitz> I sent this riddle to 6 people who I consider very intelligent. The only oneApr 08 07:12
schestowitz> to accept the challenge and send back the right answer was my 18-year-oldApr 08 07:12
schestowitz> grandson Steven (Julie's son). He says it took him about 10 minutes.Apr 08 07:12
schestowitz> Apr 08 07:12
schestowitz> Do you consider the level of difficulty for most people...(do not includeApr 08 07:12
schestowitz> yourself) in solving this riddle low, medium or high? Apr 08 07:12
schestowitz> Apr 08 07:12
schestowitz> O.K. Here it is:Apr 08 07:12
schestowitz> Apr 08 07:12
schestowitz>  "How old are you?"Apr 08 07:12
schestowitz> Apr 08 07:12
schestowitz> "Well I forget exactly, but I do remember that my brother is two years olderApr 08 07:12
schestowitz> than I,. my sister is four years older than he, and . um, mother was twentyApr 08 07:12
schestowitz> eight when I was born. . Oh, and my sister recently said that the averageApr 08 07:12
schestowitz> age of the four of us is seventy-four." Apr 08 07:12
schestowitz> Apr 08 07:12
schestowitz> How old was he?Apr 08 07:12
schestowitz> Apr 08 07:12
schestowitz> I peeked at the answer and then was easily able to work out the ages for allApr 08 07:12
schestowitz> and they did average 74. However, I did not actually solve the riddle.Apr 08 07:12
schestowitzOh, I don't want to even get started as I might obsess over it and I really need to start coding heavily this weekend.Apr 08 07:15
MinceR65yApr 08 07:21
schestowitz:-)Apr 08 07:38
MinceRhttp://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgi4mv2rgX1qg4oi0o1_400.jpgApr 08 09:53
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schestowitz:-DApr 08 10:31
schestowitzSome adults have imaginary friends who human like themApr 08 10:32
schestowitzJust had a chat about that the other day..Apr 08 10:32
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qu1j0t3schestowitz: yes, it's related. but there seem to be a few much more sinister things behind this as well.Apr 08 13:22
qu1j0t3schestowitz: even if you look at that ideology ALONE, itApr 08 13:23
oiaohmqu1j0t3: Just got in what topic.Apr 08 13:23
qu1j0t3oiaohm:  http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/cifamerica/2011/apr/07/schools-school-fundingApr 08 13:23
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qu1j0t3  schestowitz | Part of the obscene view that if *Everything* is turned into business mode, then it improves  Apr 08 13:24
qu1j0t3schestowitz: ...even if you look at that ideology ALONE, it is denied that the change is ideologicalApr 08 13:25
qu1j0t3schestowitz: I think we are dealing with a different species entirelyApr 08 13:25
qu1j0t3schestowitz: of human. We have these countless examples of straight-face lunatics -- Rhee, H.Clinton, all the way thru Obama, Blair, Harper, and thousands of othersApr 08 13:26
qu1j0t3schestowitz: they act as if programmed ...Apr 08 13:27
qu1j0t3schestowitz: not 'born'.Apr 08 13:27
qu1j0t3schestowitz: maybe 'V' is actually a documentary....Apr 08 13:27
oiaohmqu1j0t3: Really lets be trueful most countrys don't most of the population with a good educationApr 08 13:30
oiaohmSince it would make idiot getting into goverment job harder.Apr 08 13:31
qu1j0t3of course. that's part of it.Apr 08 13:31
qu1j0t3it's also about creating a slave classApr 08 13:31
qu1j0t3or perpetuating one, more accuratelyApr 08 13:31
oiaohmUSA eductation system already fails students.Apr 08 13:32
oiaohmSo really cannot be made much worse.Apr 08 13:32
qu1j0t3oh, it can :)Apr 08 13:32
qu1j0t3wrecking it is an active project for the current administration.Apr 08 13:32
qu1j0t3Arne Duncan was hired to do thisApr 08 13:32
qu1j0t3Bill Gates is pushing the project alongApr 08 13:33
oiaohmAustralia has issues in its education systems.Apr 08 13:33
qu1j0t3same agenda is being applied in UK, AustraliaApr 08 13:33
qu1j0t3Canada will be hit as well, though it's not much in the news yetApr 08 13:33
oiaohmNot really qu1j0t3Apr 08 13:33
qu1j0t3definitely.Apr 08 13:33
qu1j0t3nobody escapes, oiaohmApr 08 13:33
qu1j0t3did you miss the protests in the UK ?Apr 08 13:33
oiaohmAustralia kinda different.Apr 08 13:33
qu1j0t3oiaohm: it is?Apr 08 13:33
qu1j0t3i should visit some time.Apr 08 13:34
qu1j0t3must be amazing to have escaped this crap.Apr 08 13:34
qu1j0t3oiaohm: at least you guys stayed well out of the Iraq war. well done!Apr 08 13:34
oiaohmOur schools have required testing.   Any school who students are not passing as well as the rest can expect inspentions.Apr 08 13:34
qu1j0t3oiaohm: read the article.Apr 08 13:34
qu1j0t3oiaohm: that's part of the agenda...Apr 08 13:35
oiaohmFunny part private schools were doing better.   So they have lost funding here.   qu1j0t3Apr 08 13:35
qu1j0t3to the extent that slave class is wanted, the agenda will be applied.Apr 08 13:37
qu1j0t3simple cause and effectApr 08 13:37
qu1j0t3Howard is gone, he was the most effective agentApr 08 13:37
qu1j0t3he'll be back, in some other guiseApr 08 13:37
oiaohmIraq war has been profitable to australia.  qu1j0t3Apr 08 13:38
qu1j0t3that's greatApr 08 13:38
qu1j0t3i'm pretty thrilled about thatApr 08 13:38
qu1j0t3in fact i'm really annoyed Canada wasn't all over that. bunch of poofters.Apr 08 13:38
oiaohmWhere do the usa aircraft taking supplies to iraq fuel up.  qu1j0t3Apr 08 13:38
qu1j0t3oiaohm: the relationship between US military and Australia isn't exactly new to me :)Apr 08 13:38
oiaohmAustralian and US militrary don't exacty get along. Mostly because war and war games is when Australia nicks supplies.Apr 08 13:39
qu1j0t3those wacky kids.Apr 08 13:40
oiaohmBest nick was a full USA warship in a wargame.  qu1j0t3Apr 08 13:40
qu1j0t3thankfully, there's nothing serious at stake here. those inflatable play bombs never hurt anyone. rumours of fatalities are a communist plot.Apr 08 13:40
oiaohmby the time the USA located the ship had lost over 2 thirds of its mass.Apr 08 13:41
oiaohmAnother 24 hours it would have been cut up for scrap metal and disappeared for good.Apr 08 13:41
qu1j0t3http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/11/04/08/010235/Nokia-Confirms-Symbian-Is-No-Longer-Open-SourceApr 08 13:41
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oiaohmWar games with Australia are quite a serous game.  qu1j0t3Apr 08 13:42
oiaohmUsa has lost a few aircraft and other items in war games as well.  Set down on non approve airports and the aircraft is ours.  No take backs.Apr 08 13:42
oiaohmqu1j0t3: Most people don't know that in iraq for damaged armor there is a race between Australian and usa recovery teams.  Any the australian forces get to first become ours.Apr 08 13:44
qu1j0t3how amusingApr 08 13:44
oiaohmNote we took almost no armor over there.Apr 08 13:44
oiaohmAll the armored units the Australian forces are using over there now have been aquired mostly from the USA.  qu1j0t3Apr 08 13:45
oiaohmYes Australia offering to assist you in battle.  USA should have been asking themselves what Australia was going to take in payment.Apr 08 13:46
oiaohmOur near by island nations have nothing to worry about.  Everything they have in weapons is worse than ours so not worth taking.Apr 08 13:47
oiaohmqu1j0t3: somethings were not amusing.  Australian forces got sent over batchs of fake flack jackets.  That looked almost exactly like the usa version.  So you can guess what the Australian soliders were doing.Apr 08 13:49
oiaohmqu1j0t3: Australia is partly to blame for the usa high lose of life in particular point of the iraq war.Apr 08 13:49
oiaohmqu1j0t3: but since then USA has been equiping Australian soliders with them.Apr 08 13:50
oiaohmAnd of course a percentage are going straight home to Australia basically no used.Apr 08 13:50
oiaohmqu1j0t3: Our education system does cover a lot of history.   Including some very interesting battles where australian forces had to be sneaky.Apr 08 13:57
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schestowitz"Apr 08 17:29
schestowitz#Following your post a few days ago: gunning-down-dissidence_ES.Apr 08 17:29
schestowitz#Brad had the gentleness to allow us to publish his 2Apr 08 17:29
schestowitzpolitical-activists-need-linux-1-and-2_ES on our Spanish PortalApr 08 17:29
schestowitz"Apr 08 17:29
schestowitzJust got some interetsing info from s. americaApr 08 17:29
schestowitzOops. I published part of the comments too, excluding Brad's part.Apr 08 17:39
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/70684435  https://identi.ca/notice/70684479Apr 08 17:54
TechrightsBot-sc@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 08-Apr-11 16:51:34 UTC - Identi.ca: @harvalah exactlyApr 08 17:54
TechrightsBot-sc@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 08-Apr-11 16:53:11 UTC - Identi.ca: @goforbes28 thanks :-) I enjoyed that. Will yuo join us at IRC?Apr 08 17:54
schestowitzHmmm..Apr 08 17:54
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/70683618Apr 08 17:55
TechrightsBot-sc@G. Forbes (goforbes28)'s status on Friday, 08-Apr-11 16:33:24 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz It's Friday :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eLAMhTorPCkApr 08 17:55
TechrightsBot-sc-> Title: YouTube         - Stephen Colbert & The Roots - Friday [HD] on Late Night with Jimmy Fallon .::. Size~: 135.68 KBApr 08 17:55
schestowitzI think something pressured him not to be involved with the siteApr 08 17:55
qubitarpressured me?Apr 08 18:09
*qu1j0t3 blinksApr 08 18:10
qubitaror whoApr 08 18:11
schestowitzNot youApr 08 18:12
qu1j0t3nor me! but wouldn't it be excitingApr 08 18:12
qu1j0t3phone call. heavy breathing. What you are doing with Tech Rights. It must stop. You understand. We know where you live.Apr 08 18:12
schestowitzI got something wrong about Groklaw this weekApr 08 18:13
schestowitzI need to clarify this nowApr 08 18:13
schestowitz"I have been thinking about it a lot today. I tried to think back in time and recall where I had picked that claim and I am pretty certain that someone commenting in Groklaw said something along the lines of, "PJ used to defend patents, then she changed her mind." Suffice to say, not any comment in Groklaw is amicable and accurate. I will need to set the record straight in a dedicated post clarifying this point. Previously, IApr 08 18:13
schestowitzalso mentioned Groklaw's apathy towards Apple's abuses and lack of criticism of Google; this was done politely and constructively at the time, as an attempt to open up a dialogue. I will tackle these points soon."Apr 08 18:13
schestowitzqu1j0t3: noApr 08 18:14
schestowitzIt's more like the pro-.NET sloggers try to incite him  against the siteApr 08 18:14
schestowitzThey did this in twitter tooApr 08 18:14
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schestowitzMinceR: there's a line from bender which had me think it was a trollApr 08 22:57
MinceRicApr 08 22:58
schestowitzSee, the trolls sometimes try to claim I'm not a programmerApr 08 22:58
schestowitzAnd then they try to test meApr 08 22:58
schestowitz[22:42] <Bender> i wouldn't expect a warm welcome, guess i was mistakenApr 08 22:59
schestowitz[22:44] <Bender> Roy, i know it might not be a good question and a bit off topic here but i was wonderingApr 08 22:59
schestowitz[22:45] <Bender> and since you are a programmer... :)Apr 08 22:59
MinceRicApr 08 22:59
schestowitzTo discredit what I write about mono and oopApr 08 23:00
schestowitzbut if bender's was staged, then he did a spectacular jobApr 08 23:00
schestowitzI'm too suspicious thoughApr 08 23:03
schestowitzIt's just that a new user comes to the channel for first time and asks offtopic question, directs it at meApr 08 23:04
schestowitzHe could just google for answerApr 08 23:04
schestowitz"Don't listen to this mono piece, the author is _____"Apr 08 23:04
schestowitzHad it done by the monotologists beforeApr 08 23:04
MinceR:>Apr 08 23:05
MinceRshould i leave it to you next time? :>Apr 08 23:06
schestowitzI wasn't paying attention to desktop 4Apr 08 23:06
schestowitzBut anyway, it's likely innocentApr 08 23:06
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/piyushp_20/statuses/44704065053143041Mar 07 02:58
TechrightsBot-sc@piyushp_20: @nsisodiya @schestowitz why do u feel so guys bout d msp program..??Mar 07 02:58
schestowitzLOLMar 07 02:58
schestowitzMSP -Microsoft student peonsMar 07 02:59
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qu1j0t3Quadrescence: http://www.quora.com/How-does-Bill-OReilly-retain-any-credibility-after-asking-whered-the-moon-come-from/answers/428590Mar 07 13:04
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abeNd-orgnot so amusing what publishers are doing with ebooks & librariesMar 07 16:12
abeNd-orgthey are forcing them to expire after being checked out 26 times, thus requiring it to be repurchased Mar 07 16:13
abeNd-orghttp://www.libraryjournal.com/lj/home/889452-264/harpercollins_puts_26_loan_cap.html.cspMar 07 16:14
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Ender2070I think i'll keep my dead tree booksMar 07 16:34
*qu1j0t3 will tooMar 07 16:36
qu1j0t3in fact, I plan to buy moreMar 07 16:36
Ender2070me tooMar 07 16:41
Ender2070the best feature: they can't change the words after its printed!Mar 07 16:41
qu1j0t3:)Mar 07 16:42
Ender2070another good feature: amazon would have to break into my home to take my copy of 1984Mar 07 16:42
qu1j0t3Ender2070: plus you can't beat the resolution and battery life.Mar 07 16:42
Ender2070:)Mar 07 16:42
Ender2070no DRMMar 07 16:42
Ender2070anyone can read my booksMar 07 16:43
Ender2070except the illiterateMar 07 16:43
Ender2070I find some of the best things to read are older booksMar 07 16:45
qu1j0t3definitely.Mar 07 16:45
*qu1j0t3 doesn't buy new booksMar 07 16:45
Ender2070especially dictionaries, encyclopediasMar 07 16:45
Ender2070reference materialsMar 07 16:45
Ender2070I grabbed a giant encyclopedic dictionary by webster for $5Mar 07 16:46
Ender2070plus words disappear over time as other words build up new meaningsMar 07 16:48
Ender2070a shrinking languageMar 07 16:48
Ender2070its fascinatingMar 07 16:48
Ender2070I also think english was designed this way because it helps the lawmakers exploit the peopleMar 07 16:49
qu1j0t3I'm not sure many people argue English was 'designed' :)Mar 07 16:49
Ender2070you get a law on the books in a way people accept it, then you change the meanings of some of the words and use a judge to 'interpret' the lawMar 07 16:50
qu1j0t3French was more designed, afaikMar 07 16:50
qu1j0t3it's somewhat unique in that respectMar 07 16:50
Ender2070english is roughly 60% frenchMar 07 16:50
Ender2070the rest being latin and othersMar 07 16:50
qu1j0t3and 60% German :DMar 07 16:50
qu1j0t3but it's an accretion. i wouldn't call it designed.Mar 07 16:50
Ender2070french, german, latin, some greek in thereMar 07 16:50
qu1j0t3yes. everything.Mar 07 16:50
qu1j0t3"English is as pure as a cribhouse whore..."Mar 07 16:50
Ender2070designed by francis bacon/william shakesphereMar 07 16:51
Ender2070the king james bible and shakesphere - birth of englishMar 07 16:51
Ender2070LOLMar 07 16:51
Ender2070[19:50] <qu1j0t3> "English is as pure as a cribhouse whore..."Mar 07 16:51
qu1j0t3famous quoteMar 07 16:52
qu1j0t3let me find you the entire quoteMar 07 16:52
qu1j0t3http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Nicoll#.22The_Purity_of_the_English_Language.22Mar 07 16:52
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Ender2070badassMar 07 16:55
Ender2070CanadianMar 07 16:55
qu1j0t3:)Mar 07 16:56
oiaohmEnder2070: Remember english is a diplomats languageMar 07 17:06
oiaohmEnder2070: So yes it has loop holes.  When does a Diplomat want to be stuck to what they said.Mar 07 17:07
oiaohmanyone else having issues connecting to techrights.org ?Mar 07 17:56
oiaohmCould be that I just run complete out of quotaMar 07 17:56
Ender2070maybe the ghostwriters quitMar 07 18:22
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sebsebsebHiMar 08 12:09
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sebsebsebhiMar 10 07:49
abeNd-orgsebsebseb: tried out that webos & android vm?Mar 10 07:52
sebsebsebabeNd-org: no not yetMar 10 07:52
sebsebsebdone my upgrade to KDE 4.6.1 in PC Linux OS yepMar 10 07:52
sebsebseband still problems with kapman and choqok yep :(Mar 10 07:52
abeNd-orgbuggerMar 10 07:56
sebsebsebabeNd-org: Do you use identica or Twitter or both?Mar 10 07:57
abeNd-orgim on twitter @KKBaSSMar 10 07:57
sebsebseboh Twitter :(Mar 10 07:57
abeNd-orghonestly, cant say I have ever actually been to identicaMar 10 07:57
sebsebsebwell anyway been trying out elmdentica recently :)Mar 10 07:58
sebsebseb,but choqok is good for showing a lot of old dents 1000 :DMar 10 07:58
sebsebsebabeNd-org: I shoudn't need to do this, but I am going to try it out in my Mageia vm :)Mar 10 07:58
abeNd-orgive seen you guys talk about Identi.ca & dents, i guess im "old" & dont know what it isMar 10 07:59
sebsebseblike Twitter, butMar 10 07:59
sebsebsebopen :)Mar 10 07:59
sebsebseband mainly opensource/Linux people :)Mar 10 07:59
sebsebsebplus it has groups which is goodMar 10 07:59
sebsebsebso can send a message and people who are subscribed to the group can seeMar 10 08:00
sebsebsebunfortunatlley the Mageia people a lot of them are rather bad when it comes to groups, since to used to Twitter,  so I keep on sending dents that should have gone to the group, well the message of and so onMar 10 08:00
sebsebsebabeNd-org: so yep Identica is awesome :)Mar 10 08:02
sebsebsebhowever it's run by status.net which is open source, and runs loads of sites, but identi.ca is the most popularMar 10 08:02
sebsebsebabeNd-org: Twitter :(Mar 10 08:03
sebsebsebplus someone else uses this name on it so yeahMar 10 08:03
sebsebsebabeNd-org: ah nuts I remember my Mageia vm works badly with the mouse stuff at the momentMar 10 08:05
sebsebsebI just want to run Choqok at the moment, so I am thinking do it in a vm of somethingMar 10 08:06
abeNd-orghrm, ill have to setup an identi.ca account then, ive got a service that mirrors my abend.org posts to twitter & facebook account already, ill have it do similar for identi.ca thenMar 10 08:11
sebsebsebabeNd-org: ok sure, plus there's a feature on identica where dents can get sent to Twitter as wellMar 10 08:13
abeNd-orgits a yahoo service that replicates it actually, kinda amusingMar 10 08:13
sebsebseboh?Mar 10 08:14
abeNd-orglemme see if i can find thatMar 10 08:16
abeNd-orgbugger, swear i had it in my deliciousMar 10 08:19
sebsebsebabeNd-org: anyway not getting mouse (or whatever)  issues in Virtualbox right now it seem so :DMar 10 08:22
abeNd-orgah, here we are http://twitterfeed.com/ & http://pipes.yahoo.com/pipes/Mar 10 08:23
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sebsebseband hopefuly the Choqok I install into the vm will work ok :)Mar 10 08:23
sebsebsebabeNd-org: hmm they don't seem to have it yetMar 10 08:26
abeNd-orghave what?Mar 10 08:27
sebsebsebChoqokMar 10 08:28
sebsebsebabeNd-org: oh well i'll run it from something else in vm thenMar 10 08:29
sebsebsebabeNd-org: Who are you anyway, I mean I seen you about beforeMar 10 08:33
abeNd-orgyea, ive idled here for awhile, since i saw boycottnovell posting trackbacks on my site abend.orgMar 10 08:36
sebsebseboh?Mar 10 08:37
abeNd-orgfigured i would contribute here what i could as wellMar 10 08:37
abeNd-orgim no troll or such, no worriesMar 10 08:41
sebsebsebabeNd-org: yeah your no troll it seemsMar 10 08:42
abeNd-orglol "it seems", well that makes me feel better :)Mar 10 08:43
abeNd-orgso you can feed identica with a twitter account?Mar 10 08:44
abeNd-orgslick, looks like it is connected, ill have to see how this works then (abendorg there)Mar 10 08:45
sebsebsebabeNd-org: I think it's identica to Twitter onlyMar 10 08:46
sebsebsebabeNd-org: not the other way around as well, because of how Twitter is, you know commerical and thatMar 10 08:46
abeNd-orgah, gotcha, ill have to use pipes thenMar 10 08:48
abeNd-orgmeh, ill have to play with that later, this pesky thing called work keeps getting in the wayMar 10 08:50
abeNd-orgnice The database for Identi.ca isn't responding correctly, so the site won't work properly.Mar 10 08:50
sebsebsebabeNd-org: oh?Mar 10 08:51
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: about?Mar 10 08:51
qu1j0t3hi.Mar 10 08:53
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: you know about Twiter and identica working together I guess?Mar 10 08:53
qu1j0t3only in the direction identi.ca copying messages to twitter.Mar 10 08:54
qu1j0t3since i mainly post on twitter, it doesn't make much diff to meMar 10 08:54
abeNd-orgyea, ill just use pipes to have it feed off my site, like i have it doing for facebook/twitter alreadyMar 10 08:55
abeNd-orgkinda lame & i guess its "spamming" but it has brought my readership up a little :PMar 10 08:55
qu1j0t3anyone know where schestowitz is?Mar 10 08:56
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: yepMar 10 08:56
sebsebsebhe's awayMar 10 08:56
sebsebsebfor two days or somethingMar 10 08:56
sebsebsebmoving place and so changing ISP as well it seemsMar 10 08:56
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: anyway good stuff in a way, he kind of needs a brake from the net anyway, way to addicted reallyMar 10 08:57
qu1j0t3ah.Mar 10 08:58
qu1j0t3right.Mar 10 08:58
qu1j0t3yes, true. it feels good to get off the net sometimes.Mar 10 08:58
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: yeah, but not for to long useuallyMar 10 08:59
qu1j0t3hehehMar 10 09:02
qu1j0t3i could give it up for a long time. I have about 300 paper books to read and 2000 ebooks to read. :DMar 10 09:03
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: for example I had two weeks without Internet summer 2009, even though where we were staying for part of that they had access as far as I know hmmMar 10 09:03
sebsebseb,but anyway that was difficult at timesMar 10 09:03
sebsebsebjust boring you know, really boringMar 10 09:04
qu1j0t3hehMar 10 09:04
qu1j0t3take a book!Mar 10 09:04
sebsebsebqu1j0t3: I did buy  like one or two LInux magazines at the air port here though :DMar 10 09:04
sebsebsebso  I won't completly switched off from the computer worldMar 10 09:04
sebsebsebwasn't, ab oveMar 10 09:04
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abeNd-orghttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/22/germany_rejects_linux_in_favour_of_windows_xp/Mar 10 16:39
TechrightsBot-scTitle: German Foreign Office kills desktop Linux, hugs Windows XP • The Register .::. Size~: 21.75 KBMar 10 16:39
oiaohmabeNd-org: Ok when does XP end of lifeMar 10 17:04
qu1j0t3it's been dead to me for years ;-)Mar 10 17:59
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MinceRi guess they want to pay m$ another large sum of taxpayers' money with the rationale of "xp is EOL, gotta buy vista7 now!"Mar 10 22:23
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sebsebseboiaohm: April 2014 XP EOL unless they extend againMar 11 01:30
nisshhsebsebseb, i thought XP was EOL this year?Mar 11 01:39
MinceRit's been supposed to be EOL for a long timeMar 11 01:39
MinceRbut m$ couldn't manage to bring out a version of winblows since that didn't suck more than itMar 11 01:40
sebsebsebnisshh: XP was meant to go end of life last year,  but they extended it by four years, well that's SP3 onlyMar 11 01:40
sebsebsebMinceR: yeah Vista is a pointless upgrade for most computer users, so is Windows 7Mar 11 01:40
nisshhoh, god, stupid MSMar 11 01:40
sebsebsebso will the next Windows really from a user point of viewMar 11 01:41
sebsebseb,butMar 11 01:41
nisshhwhy dont they just force everyone on to win7?Mar 11 01:41
sebsebsebMicrosoft will basically try and force loads of people to get that one I guessMar 11 01:41
MinceRthey're tryingMar 11 01:41
sebsebsebby making XP go EOLMar 11 01:41
MinceRbut i guess they're afraid of the backlashMar 11 01:41
MinceRespecially for big corporate clientsMar 11 01:41
sebsebsebnisshh: they will try and force  basically everyone using XP onto the next one I guessMar 11 01:41
nisshhMinceR, why dont they just say "If you arent using win7 by x date, then your all software pirates"Mar 11 01:42
MinceRthey're probably afraid of ending up pushing their clients to GNU/Linux insteadMar 11 01:42
MinceRusers will have to relearn the GUI anywayMar 11 01:42
nisshhheh, exactlyMar 11 01:42
MinceRsome apps and drivers will break anywayMar 11 01:42
sebsebsebMinceR: 2014 probably quite a lot more people will go LInuxMar 11 01:43
sebsebsebXP going end of life probably yepMar 11 01:43
MinceRalso the hw requirements have been inflated againMar 11 01:43
MinceRsebsebseb: if it's going end of life, that isMar 11 01:43
sebsebseband Desktop Linux being well so much better than it is nowMar 11 01:43
sebsebsebMinceR: yeah exaclyt if it isMar 11 01:43
MinceRwhat if m$ just caves and releases Windows XP 2? :>Mar 11 01:43
sebsebsebthey might have to extend for even longerMar 11 01:43
MinceRor Windows XP 2014? :>Mar 11 01:43
sebsebsebunlikely, but they might extend the XP SP3 support for another four years or soMar 11 01:44
sebsebsebby 2018 most computers running XP will be rather well oldMar 11 01:44
nisshhmy parents are still running XPMar 11 01:44
sebsebsebthere are still people running Windows 98 or ME todayMar 11 01:44
nisshhits annoying as hell to reinstall every 6 weeksMar 11 01:45
sebsebsebprobably quite a few running WIndows 95 still in fact, maybeMar 11 01:45
sebsebsebnisshh: my Mum could go Desktop Linux really I think, but she is untechnical and all that andMar 11 01:45
sebsebsebwellMar 11 01:45
sebsebsebshe has to use Microsoft Office or sort of anyway, because of workMar 11 01:45
sebsebseb,but other then that,  she's fine really with Desktop Linux 100%Mar 11 01:46
MinceRm$o should run in wine alreadyMar 11 01:46
sebsebsebI guessMar 11 01:46
MinceROOo should be able to substitute for it anywayMar 11 01:46
MinceRso should LOMar 11 01:46
nisshhsebsebseb, yeah, the only thing stopping my parents from switching is my dad has to connect to his work server from a windows machineMar 11 01:46
sebsebsebMinceR: yeah, but Outlook doesn't work so well in Wine I expect, which she uses now, but she doesn't  really need OutlookMar 11 01:46
sebsebsebI think her lap top will still work in 2014Mar 11 01:46
nisshhsince its windows serverMar 11 01:46
sebsebseband then hopefuly I can get her to go to some Linux distro when XP runs out of supportMar 11 01:46
sebsebsebI am thinkingMar 11 01:46
MinceRi know there are incompatibilities but m$o is incompatible with itself too, yet i don't hear its proponents complainingMar 11 01:47
sebsebsebplus my brothers will both have been using Linux for quite a while by thenMar 11 01:47
nisshhatleast my sisters are partially using win7 now atleastMar 11 01:47
nisshhalthough it hasnt improved their computing habbitsMar 11 01:47
MinceRthen again m$o macros probably won't run in any other office suiteMar 11 01:47
sebsebseboh nisshh has sistersMar 11 01:47
nisshhsebsebseb, i have a brother and 2 sistersMar 11 01:48
sebsebsebnisshh no wonder you seem like a girl sometimes, when we chat on here :dMar 11 01:48
nisshhmy brother actually runs #!Mar 11 01:48
MinceRthere are ways to use exchange from non-outlook mail clients, but i'm not sure how well they work (evolution didn't work so well for me)Mar 11 01:48
*nisshh slaps sebsebsebMar 11 01:48
MinceRlolMar 11 01:48
sebsebsebnisshh: anyway seriously you seem like a guy on hereMar 11 01:48
nisshhsebsebseb, i do NOT have manboobsMar 11 01:48
nisshh:)Mar 11 01:48
sebsebsebhow old are your siblings?  and for which?Mar 11 01:49
nisshhmaybe thats because i am a guy?Mar 11 01:49
sebsebsebmy little brother wants a lap top next yearMar 11 01:49
nisshhmy bro is a year older than meMar 11 01:49
nisshhmy sisters are 12-14Mar 11 01:49
sebsebseb,but  next Windows comes out towards the end of next year?   Vista 2006  Windows 7 October 2009Mar 11 01:49
nisshh12-15 sorryMar 11 01:49
sebsebsebnisshh: my older brother has Linux Mint on his lap top since Janurary and that's what he is using now, but he still wants to use a computer like a toasterMar 11 01:50
MinceRi see outlook has a garbage rating in the wine appdbMar 11 01:50
sebsebsebthat's what he is using now when using that lap top, aboveMar 11 01:50
sebsebsebMinceR: yep I have seen that long agoMar 11 01:50
MinceRand OWA itself is garbage tooMar 11 01:50
MinceRmisses stuff like search if not used from ieMar 11 01:51
sebsebsebOWA?  Outlook Web Apps?Mar 11 01:51
MinceRon ie, it relies on RadioActiveXMar 11 01:51
MinceROutlook Web AccessMar 11 01:51
MinceRmy workaround would be putting winblows in a vm :>Mar 11 01:51
MinceRit can do less damage from thereMar 11 01:52
sebsebsebMinceR: yeah XP vm, I got a reason to do one soon really, but haven't bothered yetMar 11 01:52
MinceR:>Mar 11 01:52
oiaohmBy the way its a little hard for MS to kill for XP since they only placed it in a virtual machine inside Windows 7 Pro.Mar 11 02:10
MinceRfor the users to use that they'd still have to buy vista7 and meet its inflated hw requirementsMar 11 02:15
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MinceR195901 < ToreadorVampire> ATTENTION iPHONE USERSMar 11 11:12
MinceR195901 < ToreadorVampire> If the apple on the startup screen appears bitten that means you have a faulty phone and have to replace it with something better like a HTC DesireMar 11 11:12
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schestowitzoiaohm: I had another pass through the site http://schestowitz.com/c/Mar 13 07:12
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Schestowitz » Scientific Freedom .::. Size~: 19.55 KBMar 13 07:12
schestowitzBasically, if there's work or someone based in Australia, then you can get businessMar 13 07:12
schestowitzI'm assuming qu1j0t3 and Quadrescence too as only implicitly included (not named) would be OKMar 13 07:13
oiaohmschestowitz:  Banner upto of site hope there is something else planed on there.Mar 13 07:16
oiaohmLot of screen space. in it for 2 lines of text.Mar 13 07:17
schestowitzoiaohm: banner is not final, not so polished eitherMar 13 07:18
schestowitzoiaohm: and yes, it's shortMar 13 07:18
schestowitzCause it's more like a brochureMar 13 07:18
schestowitzJust something to have people get in touch for contract workMar 13 07:18
oiaohmContent is the hard bit.Mar 13 07:25
oiaohmIts like a newpaper all the best hooks have to be on the front page.Mar 13 07:25
schestowitzI put some image slidersMar 13 07:26
schestowitzsebsebseb: about marketing, without disclosing who the chat was with, here goes:Mar 13 07:26
schestowitz"Mar 13 07:26
schestowitz> Hi!Mar 13 07:26
schestowitzHello! Was wondering about you...Mar 13 07:26
schestowitzApologies for a belated response. I moved into the house on Tuesday and BT has not connected the broadband connection yet. I finally got a dongle, which allows me to use cellular networks to connect to the Internet in the interim.Mar 13 07:26
schestowitz> Well, I imagine you're in the process of moving this week, and gettingMar 13 07:26
schestowitz> things sorted out at your new home.  Moving is always such an adventure.Mar 13 07:26
schestowitz> From the picture you sent it looks like a nice comfortable place with lotsMar 13 07:26
schestowitz> of light and space.Mar 13 07:26
schestowitzYes, it's nice!Mar 13 07:26
schestowitz> Do you have a balcony too? If so, that could be a great place to have a niceMar 13 07:26
schestowitz> cup of tea on quiet sunny mornings, in the summertime.Mar 13 07:26
schestowitzNo balcony :-( :-(Mar 13 07:26
schestowitz> For me, early mornings are the best time of day. Weather permitting, IMar 13 07:26
schestowitz> always spend some time outside, listening to the birds chirp and watchingMar 13 07:26
schestowitz> the stars fade as the sun comes up.  I especially love rainy mornings, butMar 13 07:26
schestowitz> they are very rare here (I imagine they're not quite so rare where you are).Mar 13 07:26
schestowitzRain is common enough here to be loathed :-)Mar 13 07:26
schestowitz> Anyway, I have a little extra time this morning to catch up with emails.  IMar 13 07:26
schestowitz> actually started writing this one last week, but never had time to properlyMar 13 07:27
schestowitz> finish it up...so I'll try to get this sent today.Mar 13 07:27
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:27
schestowitz> Before I go further though...You mentioned Nina Paley, and said you didn'tMar 13 07:27
schestowitz> know what she looked like.  lol  - I can't believe I'm going to say this,Mar 13 07:27
schestowitz> but... "Here, let me Google that for you." (Her picture is attached).Mar 13 07:27
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:27
schestowitz> ;)Mar 13 07:27
schestowitzFantastic! Thanks.Mar 13 07:27
schestowitz> What kept me from finishing this sooner were some rather astoundingMar 13 07:27
schestowitz> statements you made in your last reply to me.  Mostly because I couldn't beMar 13 07:27
schestowitz> sure how to take them or how to respond.  Were they aimed at me? I couldn'tMar 13 07:27
schestowitz> tell, really, but they did seem a little accusatory at first glance.Mar 13 07:27
schestowitzI'm quite shocked if I said something upsetting? Who, me?! Must be just how it looks in text.. :-)Mar 13 07:27
schestowitz> Since I know you'd never mean to be unkind, I decided to read them again andMar 13 07:27
schestowitz> think about my answers a little more before I wrote back.  So, below areMar 13 07:27
schestowitz> those answers.Mar 13 07:27
schestowitzThanks, let me reread and respond. Mar 13 07:27
schestowitz"Mar 13 07:27
sebsebsebuh I have to guess who said what with that?Mar 13 07:28
sebsebseband what's that got to do with Mageia, I see nothing so farMar 13 07:28
sebsebsebschestowitz: ?Mar 13 07:29
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schestowitzsebsebseb: yeah, just checking there's no identifying details...Mar 13 07:38
schestowitz"Mar 13 07:39
schestowitz> ......................................................Mar 13 07:39
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:39
schestowitz> ~ On the subject of Corporations vs. small, single-owner, independentMar 13 07:39
schestowitz> businesses...Mar 13 07:39
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:39
schestowitz> You wrote: *"One's own business is also corporate. Contribution to societyMar 13 07:39
schestowitz> cannot be measured in terms of money; sometimes the relation ends up anMar 13 07:39
schestowitz> inversion; richest people are often exploiting the most, suggests a lot ofMar 13 07:39
schestowitz> evidence."*Mar 13 07:40
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:40
schestowitz> I've mulled this over all week, and still am not quite sure how you mightMar 13 07:40
schestowitz> have applied that statement to me.  All I can conclude is that you'veMar 13 07:40
schestowitz> somehow misunderstood something I've written to you.Mar 13 07:40
schestowitzOh, this was not said in reference to you. Relates to me and Satipera debating capitalism the other week... :-)Mar 13 07:40
schestowitz> For the record, I am not a corporation.  I have no CEO, COO, CFO, no BoardMar 13 07:40
schestowitz> of Directors, or investors, or franchises, or much of anything, except aMar 13 07:40
schestowitz> studio in my home (which lately seems to have taken over the whole bloomin'Mar 13 07:40
schestowitz> house...lol), a passel of rag-tag home-built computers...and some goodMar 13 07:40
schestowitz> creative/artistic skills, and a good work-ethic.Mar 13 07:40
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:40
schestowitz> Your concept that any business, no matter how small, is still a potentiallyMar 13 07:40
schestowitz> exploitative corporate entity, is rather astounding.  From personalMar 13 07:40
schestowitz> experience, I know that it's not true.  Small businesses are not the same asMar 13 07:40
schestowitz> corporations. In fact, I'd say that small businesses are the way thingsMar 13 07:40
schestowitz> SHOULD be. And traditionally, whenever cottage industries, and smallMar 13 07:40
schestowitz> family-run businesses are able to flourish, the economy benefits greatly.Mar 13 07:40
schestowitzIndeed! Sorry if I was misunderstood there.Mar 13 07:40
schestowitz> ~ On the subject of PR...Mar 13 07:40
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:40
schestowitz> You wrote: *"PR industry can be harmful. I have strong feelings on theMar 13 07:40
schestowitz> subject."*Mar 13 07:40
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:40
schestowitz> I'm a little confused by why you wrote that to me.  It's not that I disagreeMar 13 07:40
schestowitz> with it, it's just that it has no relationship to what I do here.  I alsoMar 13 07:40
schestowitz> think the words "*can be*" are the key.  Just because something CAN beMar 13 07:40
schestowitz> abused, doesn't automatically mean it MUST be.Mar 13 07:40
schestowitzIt was not said in reference to anyone particular really. Did you see Hicks on marketing? That's what came to my mind at the time.Mar 13 07:40
schestowitz> The thing is, you know how people tend to toss everything into one basketMar 13 07:40
schestowitz> and assume the basket defines it all.  Like the term "IP", for example,Mar 13 07:40
schestowitz> which covers a multitude of things (copyright, trademarks, patents, etc.)Mar 13 07:40
schestowitz> which, as we both know, really shouldn't be lumped together.Mar 13 07:40
schestowitzGood example. Personally, I can defend trademarks. I try not to say "IP". :-)Mar 13 07:40
schestowitz> I don't do corporate-type "PR" for anyone...not even for my own business.Mar 13 07:40
schestowitz> Heck, I'm not even listed in the local phone book.Mar 13 07:40
schestowitzOh, it was not said about you. I hadn't realised it could be interpreted this way.Mar 13 07:40
schestowitz> But I DO help other small businesses to advertise locally.  Now, I want youMar 13 07:40
schestowitz> to think about this part very carefully...Mar 13 07:40
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:40
schestowitz> Although you are correct that all advertising is some form of "PR" - publicMar 13 07:41
schestowitz> relations does not automatically mean something bad.  Some corporationsMar 13 07:41
schestowitz> abuse PR by using it to tell lies and white-wash their bad behavior towardsMar 13 07:41
schestowitz> their customers.Mar 13 07:41
schestowitzI view PR as an umbrella which includes lies too, e.g. sockpuppets :-)Mar 13 07:41
schestowitz> But it's wrong to lump small businesses into that same basket with dishonestMar 13 07:41
schestowitz> crooks.  Just like it's wrong to lump all air travelers in with terrorists,Mar 13 07:41
schestowitz> or to lump all Internet customers in with "pirates".Mar 13 07:41
schestowitzIndeed.Mar 13 07:41
schestowitz> Small, independent businesses are generally built around "niche products"Mar 13 07:41
schestowitz> [or services]. Even if the whole wide world knew about them, by their veryMar 13 07:41
schestowitz> nature they'd still have a very limited customer base.  Most of the ones IMar 13 07:41
schestowitz> deal with are service-based, so they don't need to reach the whole world,Mar 13 07:41
schestowitz> they just need to reach their local neighborhoods.  The likelihood of any ofMar 13 07:41
schestowitz> them growing into a mega-corp is very slim, most of them just want to make aMar 13 07:41
schestowitz> living by doing their own thing.Mar 13 07:41
schestowitzI agree entirely. Mar 13 07:41
schestowitz"Mar 13 07:41
nisshhschestowitz, ever heard of pastebin? its a wonderful concept :)Mar 13 07:42
sebsebsebheh @ nisshhMar 13 07:42
nisshhread: USE PASTEBIN FFS!Mar 13 07:42
nisshh:)Mar 13 07:42
MinceR:>Mar 13 07:42
sebsebsebnisshh: he does a lot of this here, copys in stuff, that he could pastebin insteadMar 13 07:43
nisshhsebsebseb, s/could/should/must/Mar 13 07:43
sebsebsebnisshh: uh?Mar 13 07:43
sebsebsebwhat you mean?Mar 13 07:43
nisshhsebsebseb, you dont know what s/// is do you?Mar 13 07:44
sebsebsebnisshh: indeedMar 13 07:44
MinceRyou used it incorrectly anyway :>Mar 13 07:44
nisshhMinceR, now now, dont be a smartassMar 13 07:44
MinceR:>Mar 13 07:44
nisshhMinceR, i know how to use it right, but i had to add the must on the end :)Mar 13 07:45
sebsebsebwhat does :> mean whilst I am at it, I mean I know it's meant to be some sort of face, but what?Mar 13 07:45
MinceRnisshh: you could have escaped the second / :>Mar 13 07:45
MinceRsebsebseb: pointed smileyMar 13 07:45
sebsebsebwhich means what?Mar 13 07:46
nisshhMinceR, let me refer you to what i said about being a smartass :)Mar 13 07:46
MinceRsebsebseb: with a bit of malice or mischief :>Mar 13 07:46
sebsebsebohMar 13 07:46
sebsebsebwell then uhmmMar 13 07:46
sebsebsebnisshh = :> at times :DMar 13 07:46
nisshhsebsebseb, heh, always :)Mar 13 07:46
schestowitznisshh: hehMar 13 07:47
schestowitzAnyway, sebsebseb, you now see what I mean by marketing...Mar 13 07:48
schestowitzThe context being size and causeMar 13 07:48
schestowitzHere's the remainder (last bit)Mar 13 07:48
schestowitz"Mar 13 07:48
schestowitz> These small businesses do not have the resources to buy billboards, or toMar 13 07:48
schestowitz> hire expensive ad agency/PR/marketing firms, they just need some simpleMar 13 07:48
schestowitz> visual materials to help their potential customers to find them. That's it,Mar 13 07:48
schestowitz> that's all.Mar 13 07:48
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:48
schestowitz> I provide them with design and writing skills, and help them find the best,Mar 13 07:48
schestowitz> inexpensive printing services.  Small businesses deserve the ability to tellMar 13 07:48
schestowitz> people what they do and what value they offer, without having to pay hugeMar 13 07:49
schestowitz> amounts of money.  Don't you think?Mar 13 07:49
schestowitzYes, it's when they go rogue with sockpuppets and fake reviews that this becomes a major issue.Mar 13 07:49
schestowitz> The truth is, it's a serious struggle for small businesses to get theirMar 13 07:49
schestowitz> voices heard over all the noise made by the big corporate chains andMar 13 07:49
schestowitz> franchises.  Not everyone has the time or know-how to do it for themselves.Mar 13 07:49
schestowitz> Printed information can still be a powerful way to communicate with a localMar 13 07:49
schestowitz> community.  Believe it or not, brochures, flyers, even cleverly designedMar 13 07:49
schestowitz> business cards can help tremendously.Mar 13 07:49
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:49
schestowitz> Now, you're probably thinking that small business owners should just put upMar 13 07:49
schestowitz> a website.  Because 'print' advertising is dead, after all...right?  Also,Mar 13 07:49
schestowitz> printing kills trees, etc, etc.  And I'd agree with that.Mar 13 07:49
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:49
schestowitz> But around here we have a large population of older people, especiallyMar 13 07:49
schestowitz> during the winter months (we call them snowbirds, because they come here inMar 13 07:49
schestowitz> the wintertime to get away from the snow back East).  Most have cell phonesMar 13 07:49
schestowitz> these days, but not necessarily smart phones, and they don't trust or useMar 13 07:49
schestowitz> the Internet like younger folks do.  Old people like printed things becauseMar 13 07:49
schestowitz> they are easier to read than cell phones, and can be carried around withMar 13 07:49
schestowitz> them.  Don't ask me why, 'cause I don't know.  I just know that some olderMar 13 07:49
schestowitz> people like to keep and carry stuff (especially coupons) around with them -Mar 13 07:49
schestowitz> I know, it sounds funny, but it's true.Mar 13 07:49
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:49
schestowitz> I've also seen the over-all print-advertising business dwindle massivelyMar 13 07:49
schestowitz> over the last 20 years.  However, that very death-spiral trend has also beenMar 13 07:49
schestowitz> a boon for me, since fewer people are now providing those services.  I amMar 13 07:49
schestowitz> one of the few around here that can still do things the old-fashioned wayMar 13 07:49
schestowitz> (ink and paint and pencil, etc), as well as do computer graphics and createMar 13 07:49
schestowitz> digital files - so there is always been plenty of work available, as long asMar 13 07:49
*nisshh headdesksMar 13 07:49
schestowitz> I keep prices affordable, which I do.Mar 13 07:49
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:49
schestowitz> And it really doesn't matter to me if 'for-print' work doesn't last muchMar 13 07:49
schestowitz> longer, 'cuz I'm ready to retire from all of it anyway.  Only 8 monthsMar 13 07:49
schestowitz> left...yay!Mar 13 07:49
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:49
schestowitz> As for having contracts with corporations in the past, it's true, that wasMar 13 07:49
sebsebsebnisshh: yeah I know what you meanMar 13 07:49
schestowitz> how I got started many years ago.Mar 13 07:49
schestowitzYes, many people have. The problem is not advertising; it's certain types of PR and those who actually demand it, not those who do the job, either (although if one operates sock-puppets, that someone should be ashamed of oneself). PJ likes to use the term "yuppie defence" in this context.Mar 13 07:49
schestowitz> My illustrations have been in a LOT of educational books over the years, andMar 13 07:49
schestowitz> I'm proud of the work I did, but the big educational publishers I onceMar 13 07:50
schestowitz> worked for became impossible to deal with.  Sometime around 1999 and 2000,Mar 13 07:50
MinceRholy wall of text, batman!Mar 13 07:50
schestowitz> it all changed (and not for the better).  I continued to accept a fewMar 13 07:50
schestowitz> illustration contracts after that, but also began cultivating independentMar 13 07:50
schestowitz> local business clients, so I could phase out the rotten corporate stuff.Mar 13 07:50
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:50
schestowitz> With keeping my business geared towards small local, independent businesses,Mar 13 07:50
schestowitz> over the last decade, many of my long-term regular clients have becomeMar 13 07:50
schestowitz> trusted, and treasured, personal friends.Mar 13 07:50
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:50
schestowitz> And that defines (quite clearly, in my view) the VAST difference between aMar 13 07:50
schestowitz> Corporation, and a small, independent  "mom & pop" business (like mine).Mar 13 07:50
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:50
schestowitz> To an ever growing number of large Corporations "Trust" is merely a PR wordMar 13 07:50
schestowitz> with no real meaning, they use it to abuse their Relationship with theirMar 13 07:50
schestowitz> Public.  So, in that respect, I don't do PR.Mar 13 07:50
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:50
schestowitz> I'd like you to understand that...because if you continue to equate myMar 13 07:50
schestowitz> business with evil, lying corporations, I shall be very peeved at you. (I'mMar 13 07:50
schestowitz> giving you a friendly smile here, but I'm also serious)Mar 13 07:50
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:50
schestowitz> I do have a business partner in a separate endeavor.  But we formed a smallMar 13 07:50
schestowitz> LLC company so we could keep our business relationship properly documentedMar 13 07:50
nisshhsebsebseb, i think we should just swap schestowitz with an IRC bot that pastebin's :)Mar 13 07:50
schestowitz> as separate from our personal business, and to be able to meet theMar 13 07:50
schestowitz> guidelines for hospitals (and their stupid purchasing departments) to buyMar 13 07:50
schestowitz> our childrens medical books (which are given to the children for free). So,Mar 13 07:50
schestowitz> maybe you can find some 'evil corporate exploitation' issues there, I dunno.Mar 13 07:50
schestowitzI remembers those good examples and they very much differ from what I think of when I say "PR".Mar 13 07:50
schestowitz> You wrote: *"Money does not go with a person after his/her death; artfulMar 13 07:50
schestowitz> work and reputation, however, last very long. So monetary excess has littleMar 13 07:50
schestowitz> practical value in the long term. Among my great ancestors (4 generationsMar 13 07:50
schestowitz> upwards) I know only a few, and not for achievements related to wealth."*Mar 13 07:50
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:50
schestowitz> In this, you are absolutely correct.Mar 13 07:50
schestowitzThankfully; this is the past which I thought would be controversial. :-)Mar 13 07:50
schestowitz> I live quite modestly in a very old house, and drive a 15 year-old car.  IMar 13 07:50
schestowitz> don't accumulate much, having a tendency to give my stuff away to people whoMar 13 07:50
schestowitz> might need it more than I do.Mar 13 07:50
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:50
schestowitz> I also have people who depend on me, so I need to keep working for a whileMar 13 07:50
sebsebsebnisshh: or get a bot in here that get's ops, that kicks him everytime he floods :D problem is I think only schestowitz has op here by defaultMar 13 07:51
schestowitz> longer...otherwise I'd have retired months ago.  So money is important to meMar 13 07:51
schestowitz> only as far as it keeps loved-ones fed, housed and cared-for.  I reallyMar 13 07:51
schestowitz> don't need much for myself.Mar 13 07:51
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:51
schestowitz> If I have any money left over when I die, I'd be happy that it might help myMar 13 07:51
schestowitz> kids in some small way.  Other than that, I mostly don't care about it.Mar 13 07:51
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:51
schestowitz> Your term "*monetary excess*" really has no relationship to anything in myMar 13 07:51
schestowitz> life...in fact, if I ever found myself with a sudden pile of excess money,Mar 13 07:51
schestowitz> I'd probably just keel over and die from pure shock.  lolMar 13 07:51
schestowitz*LOL* Well, I was thinking of the hoarders who 'own' the US. IIRC, the top 400 "rich list" folks in the US own about as much as half the population combined.Mar 13 07:51
schestowitz> Look, I know that TV and movies from the US tend to depict us all (to theMar 13 07:51
schestowitz> rest of the world) as culturally shallow, money-grubbing, materialistic,Mar 13 07:51
schestowitz> empty-headed, war-mongering, wealth-worshiping,Mar 13 07:51
schestowitz> sheep-like-slaves-to-corporate-consumerism - but that's less than accurate.Mar 13 07:51
schestowitzYes, I know. Huge disparity, among the worst in the world. WI can start something ;-)Mar 13 07:51
schestowitz> There are certainly those elements here, but there are also LOTS of peopleMar 13 07:51
schestowitz> and groups that are a bit more grounded in their actions (beliefs,Mar 13 07:51
schestowitz> behaviors, values, etc.), that don't have movies or TV shows made aboutMar 13 07:51
schestowitz> them, and rarely make the mainstream news. On the whole, we work hard, weMar 13 07:51
nisshhsebsebseb, heheMar 13 07:51
schestowitz> love Freedom, we form our own networking/communities and help each otherMar 13 07:51
schestowitz> out.Mar 13 07:51
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:51
schestowitz> lol, we are many...we are anonymous...we are everywhere. (haha...I wasMar 13 07:51
schestowitz> chuckling as I typed that)Mar 13 07:51
schestowitz>Mar 13 07:51
schestowitz> Ok, I've been writing on this in bits and pieces, off and on, all dayMar 13 07:51
schestowitz> long...I started at 7:00am, and it's nearly 5:00pm now.  As a result, I'veMar 13 07:51
schestowitz> written WAY too much again, I'd better stop for now and get this sentMar 13 07:51
schestowitz> (otherwise you might think I've permanently taken my headphones off.)Mar 13 07:51
schestowitz*LOL* That's fantastic. It's good to have a friend like you !!Mar 13 07:51
schestowitz> Please don't feel that I was angry, or upset with you for anything you wroteMar 13 07:51
schestowitz> to me.  I was just dismayed that you seemed to have preconceived notionsMar 13 07:51
schestowitz> about me that were inaccurate.  That part did make me feel bad (but I'mMar 13 07:51
schestowitz> fine, so no worries).Mar 13 07:51
schestowitzI feel bad only cause I was misunderstood. What I do, too, is a form of marketing, e.g. of Linux.Mar 13 07:51
schestowitz> I hope your move went smoothly, and that everything's unpacked and you areMar 13 07:51
schestowitz> enjoying your new home!Mar 13 07:51
schestowitzI'll send you photos soon, I hope.Mar 13 07:51
schestowitz> As always, please take good care of yourself,Mar 13 07:51
schestowitz> Best wishes and big smiles to you, Mar 13 07:52
schestowitz"Mar 13 07:52
schestowitzThat's it, thoughMar 13 07:52
schestowitzsebsebseb mentioned marketing his distroMar 13 07:52
schestowitznisshh: sorry about that, won't happen againMar 13 07:52
sebsebsebnisshh: and he expects me to read all that, in the horrible IRC text format?  This is worse than me  doing loads of lines in channels :DMar 13 07:52
schestowitzI don'tMar 13 07:52
schestowitzBuy I have route for opping selfMar 13 07:52
schestowitzAnd [H]omer has that in #boycottnovellMar 13 07:52
*nisshh refrains from stabbing schestowitz repeatedlyMar 13 07:52
schestowitzoiaohm: just got a message back from a friend who can help earn clients..Mar 13 07:52
nisshhschestowitz, heh, its ok :)Mar 13 07:53
sebsebsebschestowitz: his distro? uh not quite,  I mean I run PC Linux OS on here, and it seems it's going to take quite a bit to get rid of it, and the other computer will stay Mandriva, and well Mageia will be a virtual machine distro at firstMar 13 07:53
schestowitzHis sister is a friend of mine...Mar 13 07:53
nisshhsebsebseb, heheMar 13 07:53
sebsebsebschestowitz: anyway Mageia should be great in about two years time, and it's nice to be invovled with a distro from the beginning :)Mar 13 07:53
schestowitzsebsebseb: do you?Mar 13 07:53
schestowitzhow's it working?Mar 13 07:53
schestowitzI was just writing about it in relation to MintMar 13 07:53
schestowitzoiaohm: it's server admin stuffMar 13 07:54
schestowitz> sorry for the delay, Neil is now back from the Caribbean. He has askedMar 13 07:54
schestowitz> that I send you his phone number . This is xxxxxxMar 13 07:54
schestowitz> I hope that you are well.Mar 13 07:54
sebsebsebschestowitz: well issues with choqok and kapman sadly, but other  then that it's ok.  oh and it would have been nice to have a old GNome Shell in repo, but no they are about having stable software, but i'll do the jhbuild from upstream Gnome when I botherMar 13 07:54
*schestowitz still afraid of starting choqokMar 13 07:54
sebsebsebwhy?Mar 13 07:55
sebsebsebso for now it's back to looking at the website for old dents :(Mar 13 07:55
schestowitzIt'll get me addictedMar 13 07:55
sebsebseband denting from Elmdentica and PinioMar 13 07:55
schestowitzI'll respond, and then they'll respond, and...Mar 13 07:55
sebsebsebschestowitz: yeah indeedMar 13 07:55
schestowitzCan't do 200 dents a day right now...Mar 13 07:55
schestowitzIf I click the green bird, I know the day will be unproductiveMar 13 07:55
sebsebsebschestowitz: hehMar 13 07:56
sebsebsebschestowitz: well without you denting I can at least, follow other peoples old dents, easierMar 13 07:56
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sebsebseball I need is a client that works, and will show 1000 dents in a timeline and :) ,but whatMar 13 07:56
sebsebsebChoqok was one, but issues with it like I siadMar 13 07:56
sebsebsebElmdentica isn't it,  that's a very basic client in fact, apparnatly for small screens and blah de blah even, it's okMar 13 07:57
schestowitzsebsebseb: I'm rethinking my use of microblogsMar 13 07:58
oiaohmschestowitz:  Nice.  Money is money.Mar 13 07:58
sebsebsebschestowitz: oh?Mar 13 07:58
schestowitzI am not stopping, just rethinking how I use time with itMar 13 07:58
sebsebsebyeah you became a right addictMar 13 07:58
schestowitzFor example, maybe less politics, less RTs; not sure yet...Mar 13 07:58
sebsebsebtruse most of your dents were polotics, and I was like uh to them, as in not interested in most of themMar 13 07:58
schestowitzBut while I'm on mobile broadband I can't quite resume due to bandwidthMar 13 07:59
schestowitzBut a lot of Linux news too.... it's now Android and UbuntuMar 13 07:59
schestowitzI'm tired of promoting these silly brands{tm}Mar 13 07:59
sebsebsebschestowitz: stop the Ubuntu dents :)Mar 13 07:59
schestowitzThey have enough budget to promote their lame Rights(R) and Trademarks(TM)Mar 13 07:59
schestowitzsebsebseb: I might...Mar 13 08:00
sebsebsebyeah exactly with Ubuntu well the direction is going hmmMar 13 08:00
sebsebsebandMar 13 08:00
sebsebsebthere are plenty of fan boys and so on, that will do it anywayMar 13 08:00
schestowitzI can write more TR postsMar 13 08:00
sebsebsebas for Android, well it's Google so they are hyped up a lotMar 13 08:00
schestowitzAt the expense of a few of the other activitiesMar 13 08:00
sebsebsebthey don't need you promoting AndroidMar 13 08:00
schestowitzAndroid is massive nowMar 13 08:00
sebsebsebexactlyMar 13 08:00
schestowitzI'm not being no fanboi of thatMar 13 08:01
sebsebsebMeego and WebOS could do with you denting about them at times though :)Mar 13 08:01
schestowitzUnless it's cynogenmodeMar 13 08:01
sebsebseboh and Mageia of course :)Mar 13 08:01
sebsebseband to the group!Mar 13 08:01
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2011/03/03/rogue-ipr-games/#commentsMar 13 08:01
schestowitz"Mar 13 08:01
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schestowitzConfirmation of Nokia's role comes from PJ's examination of <a href="http://www.sec.gov/Archives/edgar/data/924613/000095012311024458/u10545e20vf.htm" rel="nofollow">Nokia's SEC filing</a>.  She quotes the relevant parts in her news picks.Mar 13 08:01
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schestowitz<blockquote>- Definitive agreements with Microsoft for the proposed partnership may not be entered into in a timely manner, or at all, or on terms beneficial to us. Mar 13 08:01
schestowitz- New sources of revenue expected to be generated from the Microsoft partnership, such as increased monetization opportunities for us in services and intellectual property rights, may not materialize as expected, or at all. Mar 13 08:01
schestowitz [PJ: So, they haven't signed on the dotted line yet, this is saying. And I gather they hope to sue people or threaten to do so to get royalties on patents. Blech. Can't Microsoft ever do anything *not* evil?] -  Nokia's Form 20F, SEC</blockquote>Mar 13 08:01
schestowitzI think she hit the nail on the head.  We can conclude that all of the damage to Nokia is real but  Microsoft's promises are vapor. Perhaps there is resistance in the company beyond the thousands of engineers who walked off the job in protest.Mar 13 08:01
schestowitz"Mar 13 08:01
schestowitzsebsebseb: yes, maybeMar 13 08:02
sebsebsebschestowitz: plus your not really that keen on the direction of Ubuntu yourself, I thinkMar 13 08:02
sebsebsebso why bother denting about it?Mar 13 08:02
schestowitzBut give me a few days to finish my current project before I get a BT/O2 wired connection and then I'll resumeMar 13 08:02
sebsebsebschestowitz: and I meant completly stop denting about Ubuntu, and if you want Android as wellMar 13 08:02
schestowitzHeh. Not even Canonical staff is entirely happy with the directionMar 13 08:02
schestowitzA few of them dissentedMar 13 08:03
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sebsebsebnisshh is wondering about their direction now as well I think :DMar 13 08:03
schestowitz[H]omer did a post about itMar 13 08:03
schestowitzhttp://slated.org/copygate_exposes_ugly_ubuntu Mar 13 08:03
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schestowitzIt's well writtenMar 13 08:03
sebsebsebschestowitz: the Maryland LOCO leader, is quiting doing thatMar 13 08:04
sebsebsebschestowitz: hmm that Mar 13 08:04
sebsebsebuhmmMar 13 08:04
sebsebsebschestowitz: maybe I saw that before, but I remember thisMar 13 08:04
sebsebsebbasically my ISP is blocked from  going on that, because they might spy on what people go on or whateverMar 13 08:05
sebsebseband then goes to a page explaining about thingsMar 13 08:05
schestowitzSome canonical staff too, but no defectionMar 13 08:05
sebsebsebschestowitz: in fact if your on BT you would probably get the page I gotMar 13 08:05
sebsebsebschestowitz: when going on the link you just gaveMar 13 08:05
sebsebsebbasically says the ISP is blocked from going on it, and redirects to a page explaining about thingsMar 13 08:06
sebsebsebschestowitz: yep this is the page I get instead after the redirect, have a look I guess. http://www.inphormationdesk.org/Mar 13 08:07
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sebsebsebschestowitz: anyway it's strange for a website to redirect certain ISP's to another websiteMar 13 08:09
schestowitzLOLMar 13 08:16
schestowitzI guess I should try to get out of the BT agreement, which was verbal onlyMar 13 08:17
schestowitzBut they could try to delay line transfer then, to retaliateMar 13 08:17
schestowitzI'll go to O2 tomorrow and see if they can take over the line before BT's package arrivesMar 13 08:17
schestowitzBTW, Virgin and Sky mailed me brochures without me ever asking. How's Virgin if you don't need cable and other 'noise'?Mar 13 08:18
sebsebsebnisshh: I am looking at old dentsMar 13 08:30
sebsebsebnisshh: and well..Mar 13 08:30
sebsebsebnisshh: http://identi.ca/notice/66816595Mar 13 08:31
TechrightsBot-sc@László Torma (toros)'s status on Saturday, 12-Mar-11 15:00:32 UTC - Identi.ca: Ryan Macnish' *lightbulb* moment: "I should just stick with Ubuntu" http://goo.gl/EwNVA !uMar 13 08:31
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*schestowitz tries to stay alert after just 3 hours of sleep last nightMar 13 08:31
schestowitznice being so close to city centre, finally... Had some friends come over last night, had bottles of wine, then headed to local bar and night club at Deansgate. Got back after 4...Mar 13 08:33
sebsebsebschestowitz: ok so that's why you moved, to be nearer to the centre?Mar 13 08:34
schestowitzNot the main considerationMar 13 08:34
nisshhsebsebseb, yeah, i did a post, which most people misinterpretedMar 13 08:42
nisshhi didnt actually know anyone had dented about it thoughMar 13 08:42
schestowitzI'm getting a little upset about UbuntuMar 13 08:44
schestowitzI'll do a post about Mint to promote Clem art their expenseMar 13 08:44
nisshhsebsebseb, please dont think that that post has anything to do with techrights, it was nothing to do with thatMar 13 08:44
schestowitzNobody needs Ubuntu, they can use Mint, it's a lot better tooMar 13 08:44
nisshhsebsebseb, basically, that post was me simply realising that i didnt need to worry about Ubuntu's defaults or canonical's antics, i have no need of the defaults, i can run whatever i likeMar 13 08:47
nisshhi was attempting to explain a moral dilemmaMar 13 08:48
nisshhit didnt work out how i expected thoughMar 13 08:48
nisshhpeople took it the wrong way, as often happens with blog postsMar 13 08:48
sebsebsebnisshh: heh Techrights influenceing (I think the word is) your opinions a bit, did come to mind, but hey so what if it's true :DMar 13 08:57
sebsebsebalso not just anyone dented thatMar 13 08:58
sebsebsebthat was toros the http://webupd8.org guyMar 13 08:58
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sebsebsebnisshh: and he goes by the name Andrew on thereMar 13 08:59
sebsebsebnisshh: people misunderstood your blog post?Mar 13 08:59
sebsebsebseemed fine to meMar 13 08:59
sebsebsebyou were wondering if you should stay invovled with Ubuntu or,  well get more invovled with other distro'sMar 13 08:59
sebsebsebbasicalleyMar 13 08:59
sebsebsebnisshh: I don't know if you have seen any of it, but this past weekMar 13 09:00
sebsebsebthere has been like fighting beetween, Canonical, Gnome, and KDEMar 13 09:00
sebsebsebor Canonical and Gnome reallyMar 13 09:00
sebsebsebCanonical, Ubuntu, and GnomeMar 13 09:00
oiaohmThere is a tradition 3 way fight.Mar 13 09:00
oiaohmKDE Gnome Freedesktop.Mar 13 09:01
schestowitzyeahMar 13 09:01
schestowitzand with MarkSMar 13 09:01
schestowitzOver his choice of GNOME for UbuntuMar 13 09:01
schestowitzKDE never got over itMar 13 09:01
oiaohmReally I might do a blog post.Mar 13 09:01
schestowitzHis decision may have broken some spirits in KDEMar 13 09:01
oiaohmcovering how freedesktop is designed to work.Mar 13 09:01
oiaohmThere are particular reasons why its not a standard body.Mar 13 09:01
sebsebsebnisshh: yeah and it's to do with freedesktop standards as wellMar 13 09:01
oiaohmAnd there are particular reason why it has a designed in steam roller.Mar 13 09:02
sebsebsebschestowitz: also indeed to what you said earlier, Mint is a lot betterMar 13 09:02
oiaohmsebsebseb:  Do you understand how freedeskop is ment to work.Mar 13 09:02
schestowitzsebsebseb: tried it yet?Mar 13 09:02
sebsebseboh sure right now they got their main version based on Ubuntu, but it's not like they need to be based on Ubuntu, the Debian based version hs been out for quite a while nowMar 13 09:02
oiaohmFreedesktop is a place for draft standards.Mar 13 09:02
sebsebsebschestowitz: uh I told you about this stuff already I beliveMar 13 09:02
sebsebsebschestowitz: how when I picked distro's back in JanMar 13 09:02
sebsebsebfor my older brother's lap topMar 13 09:03
oiaohmThe idea is if you don't like a draft standard you are ment to put up a counter standard.  sebsebsebMar 13 09:03
sebsebsebhow I went with  Linux Mint 9 based on Ubuntu  10.04 in the endMar 13 09:03
oiaohmIf you cannot put up a counter standard your reason for rejection must not be strong enough.Mar 13 09:03
oiaohmNotice what Gnome has not been doing.Mar 13 09:03
sebsebsebschestowitz: plus I had virtual machined Mint before that in the past, but back then found it kind of pointless, since I thought best to use the original product Ubuntu, but oh how  times have changedMar 13 09:03
oiaohmLeaving it to KDE to submit standards and not Submitting any of there own.Mar 13 09:03
qu1j0t3schestowitz: wbMar 13 09:04
oiaohmOf course KDE is pissed.Mar 13 09:04
sebsebsebschestowitz: nisshh Mint is great, takes everything I like from Ubuntu, and gives it nicer artwork and makes it more user friendly as wel the Mint menu and such.Mar 13 09:04
sebsebsebschestowitz: nisshh  and then of course Linux Mint Debian Edition as well, which I knew about before the offical annoucement, but still haven't virtual machined hmmMar 13 09:04
schestowitzqu1j0t3: thanksMar 13 09:04
sebsebsebI closed it down earlier, but there was a greatMar 13 09:05
sebsebsebblog post on this subjectMar 13 09:05
sebsebsebhmmMar 13 09:05
schestowitzI work at Manchester University clusters to get heavy work done pretty quickly. Next week I'll be mostly away, still.Mar 13 09:05
sebsebseband good comments, lets see if I can get on that againMar 13 09:05
sebsebsebshould be able to doMar 13 09:05
sebsebsebI bookmark pretty much everything I go on for a startMar 13 09:05
schestowitzuse "History"Mar 13 09:05
schestowitzCan be searched, tooMar 13 09:05
sebsebsebschestowitz: uh your job is at Manchester University?  I thought you were just a ex student or something of it?Mar 13 09:05
schestowitzGoogle too makes bookmarks closer to obsoleteMar 13 09:06
schestowitzsebsebseb: no, it's a long storyMar 13 09:06
sebsebsebschestowitz: true history can be searched to, and my bookmarks list is rather longMar 13 09:06
sebsebsebmy current oneMar 13 09:06
schestowitzBut the plan is basically going to the gym every day around 7, then to the clusters at 9.Mar 13 09:06
schestowitzLeaves too little for bloggingMar 13 09:06
schestowitzWhich is a hobbyMar 13 09:07
schestowitzsebsebseb: remember Web directories?Mar 13 09:07
sebsebsebschestowitz: stop promoting Ubuntu on identica then like I said earlier, and Android even whilst your at if you want, and yep less policesMar 13 09:07
schestowitzLike DMOZ and Yahoo?Mar 13 09:07
schestowitzWho ever uses these anymore?Mar 13 09:07
sebsebsebYahoo sure, and uhmm Dmoz runs Yahoo? something ran YahooMar 13 09:07
schestowitzsebsebseb: probablyMar 13 09:07
oiaohmYahoo is basically gutted.Mar 13 09:07
schestowitzgutted=Microsoft?Mar 13 09:08
sebsebsebhttp://altavista.com still around for now :)Mar 13 09:08
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sebsebsebhoweverMar 13 09:08
sebsebsebthat's Yahoo search with differnet branding nowMar 13 09:08
sebsebsebI read I guess it was last year, that they would get rid of itMar 13 09:08
sebsebsebhttp://altavista.co.ukMar 13 09:08
TechrightsBot-scTitle: AltaVista .::. Size~: 12.08 KBMar 13 09:08
oiaohmschestowitz:  basically giving up there search engine for the MS that does not work.Mar 13 09:08
oiaohmschestowitz: basically ruined yahoo.Mar 13 09:08
sebsebsebthe other search enginges hardly matter now really, since yep GoogleMar 13 09:08
sebsebsebmost web users use Google, and well that's thatMar 13 09:09
sebsebsebwell maybe not in China?Mar 13 09:09
oiaohmChina internal search engine is about the only one now who standard a chance going head to head with google.Mar 13 09:09
MinceRbaidu?Mar 13 09:10
oiaohmbaidu yep that is the one.Mar 13 09:10
oiaohmThey are still developing new search methods that works.Mar 13 09:11
oiaohmMS has basically been caught coping.Mar 13 09:11
MinceRare they relevant outside red china?Mar 13 09:11
oiaohmCurrently no.Mar 13 09:11
oiaohmbut at least they are still improving there engine.  MinceRMar 13 09:11
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qu1j0t3Maybe someone can add to my answer. schestowitz? http://www.quora.com/What-are-the-benefits-of-developing-in-a-Linux-environmentMar 13 09:38
TechrightsBot-scTitle: What are the benefits of developing in a Linux environment? - Quora .::. Size~: 69.45 KBMar 13 09:39
schestowitzqu1j0t3: I've no account theeMar 13 09:40
schestowitz*there. Wait till they sell to Google, then it'll turn out they just pulled a Huffing on their contributorsMar 13 09:41
qu1j0t3schestowitz: that's fixable...Mar 13 09:41
qu1j0t3i have 140 answers thereMar 13 09:41
schestowitzNice...Mar 13 09:41
schestowitzIs it like Yahoo Answers?Mar 13 09:42
qu1j0t3i don't think the HP thing is about paying bloggers...Mar 13 09:42
qu1j0t3schestowitz: noMar 13 09:42
qu1j0t3schestowitz: it's all user contribMar 13 09:42
qu1j0t3i don't care if they sell. i know the deal.Mar 13 09:42
qu1j0t3i contribute for the same reasons i'd contribute to UsenetMar 13 09:42
schestowitzNot comparableMar 13 09:42
schestowitzUSENET cannot be soldMar 13 09:43
schestowitzUSENET stays in my hard-drive tooMar 13 09:43
qu1j0t3Usenet runs on Darpa's network.Mar 13 09:43
schestowitzUnless I set to autopuge old messagesMar 13 09:43
schestowitz*auto-purgeMar 13 09:43
qu1j0t3on some level you're always using someone else's platformMar 13 09:43
qu1j0t3usenet can be censored, blocked, republished, etcMar 13 09:43
schestowitzCan't sellMar 13 09:43
schestowitzDeja News is not it and Google Group is just cancer on USENETMar 13 09:43
qu1j0t3but why does that matterMar 13 09:43
schestowitz*GroupsMar 13 09:43
qu1j0t3it's nothing to do with HP imhoMar 13 09:43
qu1j0t3the real problem with the HP isn't that bloggers should be paidMar 13 09:44
schestowitzrepublication is goodMar 13 09:44
schestowitzIt makes USENET more resistant to takedownsMar 13 09:44
schestowitzAnd watch what happened to Netscape/PropellerMar 13 09:44
schestowitz!google cloud propeller schestowitz Mar 13 09:44
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schestowitzWait, not right links...Mar 13 09:45
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2010/10/05/cloud-computing-goes-boom/Mar 13 09:45
schestowitzHere...Mar 13 09:45
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schestowitzQuora is the same thingMar 13 09:45
schestowitzDigg tooMar 13 09:45
schestowitzThey can pull all the stuff any timeMar 13 09:45
schestowitzqu1j0t3: I know some more people who can get clients through Joe... http://www.personaltrainermanchester.co.uk/ ... did you read my stuff from earlier?Mar 13 09:47
TechrightsBot-scTitle: Personal Trainers Manchester UK - Joseph Leah specialist in personal training .::. Size~: 15.43 KBMar 13 09:47
schestowitzsebsebseb: I'm helping someone move from Ubuntu to Fedora or MintMar 13 09:55
schestowitzShe wants to try Fedora thoughMar 13 09:55
sebsebsebschestowitz: well look what I just done :D ,but not to any groups,  I don't want loads of Ubuntu fan boys replying to it heh hehMar 13 09:57
schestowitz> Hi!  Thanks for your thoughtful replies, I enjoyed and appreciated them immensely!Mar 13 09:57
schestowitz> Mar 13 09:57
schestowitz> Congratulations on getting moved and settled.  It can be such a chore to move to a new place, but then it's really nice when all the packing