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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @meegocom: Looking for a MeeGo job? Looking for a MeeGo developer? We now have a MeeGo Job Board! http://bit.ly/hpAabwMar 08 00:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @Develop4AppUp Going to South by Southwest? We're sponsoring an award at IndiePub's first indie propeller a... http://bit.ly/g4BNCS #sxswMar 08 00:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @popey: ..and people complain about #Ubuntu codenames.. #Fedora mulling "Beefy Miracle" for F16? http://popey.me/dOEvWjMar 08 00:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Cambridge is the natural home for The Centre for #Computing #History - http://bit.ly/gCViVe interesting projectMar 08 00:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @quaid Smart, insightful analysis (as usual) from Jonathan Corbet: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/431854/f79966f0fc48d91d/Mar 08 00:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Die wunderbare #Fail Wlet von #Netzsperren - O2 UK zeigt uns wie suppi die #BraveNewWorld sein kann - http://ur1.ca/3f847Mar 08 00:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] News update from The Real World: The hotdog thing isn't funny and makes us look unprofessional. !FedoraDesignMar 08 00:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Brazilian Beef: Greater Impact on the #Environment Than We Realize - http://bit.ly/e6Dtq1 stop chompingMar 08 00:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Media #Piracy in Emerging Economies - http://bit.ly/fLU94e "piracy better conceived as failure of affordable access in legal markets"Mar 08 00:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Adobe Releases #Flash-to-#HTML5 Converter, Codenamed Wallaby - http://on.mash.to/i8Q8J8 great, but doesn't it undermine Flash?Mar 08 00:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Free software is what we humans are talking more about - http://bit.ly/fRl93Q departing #FSF director looks back #freeswMar 08 00:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Good morning !identiverse :) And a cold, grey, windy, prolly rain, day it is too :(Mar 08 00:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 3D Printed Adult's Bicycle - http://bit.ly/eHoEI4 it's the future #3dprintersMar 08 00:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Al Jazeera Launches #Twitter Dashboard To Track Uprisings in Egypt, Yemen, Libya & Bahrain - http://bit.ly/fdEOmp v cool #ajeMar 08 00:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fabsh Not all are broken. I informed the author and posted a comment.Mar 08 00:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Just to be clear: I don't give a fuck what Charlie Sheen does or doesn't do. The guy has been boring since the 90s... #yawnMar 08 00:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] They should get Honeydew on that show, he's a lot more funny... #YogscastMar 08 00:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Prediction: Soon #Twitter will add "commercial" tweets to the API. Only clients that pay twitter will be able to get a timeline without ads.Mar 08 00:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Spotify Reaches 1 Million Paid Subscribers - http://bit.ly/hqj90m getting there...but fast enough?Mar 08 00:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Fear Mongering and Delusional #Piracy Report Upsets Aussies - http://bit.ly/gtI5KE more fantasy numbers from copyright companies #auMar 08 00:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Vote "beefy miracle" as fedora 16 codename! https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_16 #fbMar 08 00:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Virgin Media UK Begins Throttling #P2P Traffic - http://bit.ly/e6SGSF who needs #netneutrality?Mar 08 00:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @glynmoody Fear Mongering & Delusional Piracy Report Upsets Aussies http://bit.ly/gtI5KE more fantasy numbers from copyright companies #auMar 08 00:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] [correct link] Al Jazeera Launches #Twitter Dashboard To Track Uprisings in Egypt, Yemen, Libya etc - http://on.mash.to/hWappi cool #ajeMar 08 00:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] ☆ FSF Leadership Change: I got a call on Friday evening from Peter Brown, the Executive Director of the Free Sof... http://wmk.me/gJxnxAMar 08 00:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 99 Cent Books - http://bit.ly/dLHl8X "before the marginal price drops to zero, but that is another story" #abundance #ebooksMar 08 00:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @glynmoody Adobe Releases Flash-to-HTML5 Converter, Codenamed Wallaby http://on.mash.to/i8Q8J8 great, but doesn't it undermine Flash? #fbMar 08 00:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @ntouk just a reminder to give your guidance to the UK Government Open Standards Survey - http://svy.mk/gAVI21 #openstandardsMar 08 00:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Yay! ♻ @glynmoody 3D Printed Adult's Bicycle - http://bit.ly/eHoEI4 it's the future #3dprinters #fbMar 08 00:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Wow. For the best payed actor on TV, Sheen has pretty ugly home. Don't spend all your money on blow, kids...Mar 08 00:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @ikrshnan !Facebook will end on march 15th http://goo.gl/Clju4 !facebookfree !google !yahooMar 08 00:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Will E-Book Prices & Restrictions Lead to E-Book Piracy? - http://rww.to/h6MUC5 what do you mean *will*?#Mar 08 00:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Egypt faces new turmoil: Looted state security files | McClatchy http://is.gd/r0lMlM http://bit.ly/e1COdDMar 08 00:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: 100 days of Cablegate: http://www.thenation.com/slideshow/159019/slide-show-100-days-wikileakss-cablegate http://bit.ly/ebuZ6hMar 08 00:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Martin Albisetti: !Ubuntu, #Natty and !Unity http://goo.gl/XoGEdMar 08 01:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Aaron Toponce: Strong Passwords NEED Entropy http://goo.gl/dTO5mMar 08 01:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Prakash Advani: Samsung Galaxy S replaced by SL http://goo.gl/r9ozH !androidMar 08 01:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Prakash Advani: Samsung Galaxy S II coming http://goo.gl/G7mBz !androidMar 08 01:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] BTW - here the inofficial commercial for O2 UK's new filtering system - Cleanternet ;-) http://ur1.ca/x4cj </sarcasm>Mar 08 01:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Old Armenian Doors - http://bit.ly/hEl6jF some fine #pix (v @ianyanmag) #armenia #doorsMar 08 01:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @ioerror: So Zuckerberg's puppy can have its own Facebook page but Chinese dissidents using pseudonyms are out of luck?Mar 08 01:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Charlie Sheen is not filial - http://bit.ly/gBIPb0 an analysis you've not seen before; fascinating cultural relativism (v @ulyssestone)Mar 08 01:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[danebod/@danebod] Und heute um 20 Uhr zur IGGG #Drensteinfurt gegen !Fracking http://bit.ly/e8rZG2 !umwelt !klima !ppd !piratennrw !nrwMar 08 01:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Joran van der Sloot may only get 20 months for murdering a white chick using BS defense http://ur1.ca/3f8mjMar 08 01:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Parents bitch that students got punished for accusing a teacher for being a pedophile, imo students should face jail http://ur1.ca/3f8moMar 08 01:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] If you want your vote to count in New Jersey, don't use electronic voting machines http://ur1.ca/3f8npMar 08 01:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Republicans actually are trying to kill old people http://ur1.ca/3ez0g Warning: HuffPoMar 08 01:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] @fabsh Its use in hacker circles is far older than Canonical and possibly Apple.Mar 08 01:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @clacke I know. That's not the usage I object too...Mar 08 01:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @flattrchattr: Our first Partner Highlight: aFlattr. Affiliated !Flattr http://ur1.ca/3f8qo get money while spending! \o/Mar 08 01:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] setting up !Debian on my Neo FreeRunner. planning to make a wireless soundcard (yay for pulseaudio & vlc!) and possibly more of it. :)Mar 08 01:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] The only possible criticism I have for Mint is that they don't actively upstream their stuff. Other than that, it's a totally awesome.Mar 08 01:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] OK.... Time for some eggs and coffee!Mar 08 01:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] News, news, news! From !shr project http://blog.shr-project.org/2011/03/news-news-news.htmlMar 08 02:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Oh yeah.... Scrambled eggs with Jim Beam Spicy Bourbon sauce for breakfast is awesome stuff!Mar 08 02:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: Smooth Inset: The First Real Theme For The New !Gnome Shell http://goo.gl/yqGBVMar 08 02:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @sixgun: Video release: Minecraft Adventures 2 - Surviving the First Night > http://outl.ws/eM6dTu #minecraft #linuxoutlawsMar 08 02:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL. ;)Mar 08 02:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Imperial College in showdown with closed-access journals - http://bit.ly/gQLQYK kudos to Deborah Shorley: painful but necessary move #oaMar 08 02:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Microsoft marketing #IE at #Drupalcon #Drupal http://tighturl.com/2zooMar 08 02:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Damn, people trying to legalize murdering abortion doctors et all... :( ♺ @rms: The Pro-Murder Group http://ur1.ca/3f92kMar 08 02:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Firefox 4: Get Tabs In The Title Bar (Like Chrome) http://bit.ly/hhUL15Mar 08 02:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Smooth Inset: The First Real Theme For The New Gnome Shell http://bit.ly/fAO72KMar 08 02:38
MinceRhttp://dilbert.com/1995-03-25/Mar 08 02:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Timetable: ACTA from EC to European Parliament - http://bit.ly/hUrlCO need to start working on those MEPs #acta (v @jmcesteves)Mar 08 02:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Heisse: IPFire open source firewall updates PHP http://ping.fm/g919nMar 08 02:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @nearyd Canonical-created initiatives have great names: "Unity", "Harmony"... unfortunately they seem to indicate the opposite of wha ...Mar 08 02:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @stemp RD @CyanogenMod CyanogenMod-7.0.0-RC2 is here! http://dlvr.it/JZ3RP !androidMar 08 02:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Yes!!! I think I have fixed mapping on http://alain.sixgun.org/map -- thanks to @windigo for the tip that solved it! :DMar 08 02:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @sixgun: The Minecraft server is back up and mapping is completely fixed now. !loMar 08 03:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Hacked on a kipi plugin all night, made some nice progress.Mar 08 03:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the blocks from me. #serenity #minecraft #firefly http://ur1.ca/3f99nMar 08 03:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[swadeshine/@swadeshine] It's a sad state of affairs when exposing war crimes has more dire consequences than committing them. #Manning #Obama !WikiLeaksMar 08 03:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @yamatt: Nuclear Chicken Memorial? http://is.gd/0qU7vCMar 08 03:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @osamak: RT @swadeshine It's a sad state of affairs when exposing war crimes has more dire consequences than committing them. #ManningMar 08 03:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Draft agreement on creation of European and Community Patent Court is not compatible with European Union law http://is.gd/gwYrE5 #swpatMar 08 03:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Acc to #comcast btw 10/10 and 01/11: Windows phones -1.7, BB -5.4, Android +7.7, Apple +.1, Palm -.7 - http://ur1.ca/3f9emMar 08 03:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Note however that Comcast numbers are US only. Where 2 find similar stats for EU?Mar 08 03:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Lasting Digital Archives: "The Millenniata writer actually laser etches physical pits into the writable layer" http://goo.gl/t8J3nMar 08 03:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Wrangl - http://bit.ly/hkJrHj "helps you visualise debates in an easy to read and navigate style." nice idea (v @Glinner)Mar 08 03:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Oh god. @vk7hse loves portals, doesn't he.... :DMar 08 03:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Cablegate resources http://alturl.com/tqcak !wlMar 08 03:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Totally digging the !LO SkyNet. #MinecraftMar 08 03:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: 100 revelations to mark 100 days of Cablegate: http://alturl.com/rwp8v !wlMar 08 03:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @giuseppe: !gnu !icecat 3.6.15 released https://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=6743Mar 08 03:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @gandroids: Breaking News : LG Wants to Develop their Own Mobile Processors to Get a Leg Up in Smartphone Race http://tiny.ly/bhKaMar 08 03:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Darkness at Noon for Bradley Manning & Julian Assange http://alturl.com/7ngvx !wlMar 08 03:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Urethras created using patients' cells http://ping.fm/JYkMLMar 08 03:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Mubarak's sons got more than US$187m from Israeli gas deal, says paper http://alturl.com/h5qxa !wlMar 08 03:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Register: BBC accused of coming out for porn opt-in? http://ping.fm/jhDDzMar 08 03:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @escapetofreedom: Google Android Captures #1 Position in Smartphone Market (US, January 2011) http://bit.ly/fYys4uMar 08 03:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @WebUpd8: Wine 1.3.15 Released http://bit.ly/erNI6v #linuxMar 08 03:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] LinuxInsider • by Katherine Noyes: Is the iPad an iFad? http://ping.fm/eoyHOMar 08 03:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] EFF Sends Letter to Sony in Defense of Hackers by @fabsh http://ping.fm/RHmztMar 08 03:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: US ambassadors consider Mercosur “anti-American” http://is.gd/QTKiAk !wlMar 08 03:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Former CIA Inspector General to speak on WikiLeaks, Wednesday in Sarasota http://is.gd/xQ5Kqf !wlMar 08 03:56
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gnufreexIt seems that Qt licensing sale might be an atempt to end run around Free Qt Foundation agreementMar 08 04:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Give !Linux security clearance, US told UK - Public Sector IT Projects http://ping.fm/pFfjMMar 08 04:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm a bit embarrassed we had to be told :(Mar 08 04:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] since today we can call it Digia's #Qt framework?Mar 08 04:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] 3TB Hard Drives Coming, but You?ll need a new Computer - meyers's blog http://ping.fm/4mLfSMar 08 04:11
oiaohmgnufreex: Really Free QT Foundation agreement is the only thing stopping KDE from going there own path.Mar 08 04:13
oiaohmgnufreex: Breaching it really would not be a good thing.Mar 08 04:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Themobilemasti: Japanese scientists develop phone that feels like human skin http://ping.fm/YdR09Mar 08 04:13
oiaohmgnufreex: In case of breach QT foundation would also get the right to sell commerical version.Mar 08 04:13
gnufreexThat needs to go through court since Elop will drag his feetMar 08 04:14
gnufreexSmartest thing to do is fork right nowMar 08 04:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The Slur “Open Core”: Toward More Diligent Analysis - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) http://ping.fm/WViP6Mar 08 04:15
gnufreexAnd tell Nokia to go jumpMar 08 04:15
oiaohmNo it don'tMar 08 04:15
gnufreexDigia should go jump tooMar 08 04:15
oiaohmQt foundation has the right to sell commerical now.Mar 08 04:15
gnufreexWhen I mean fork I mean also invoke agreementMar 08 04:15
oiaohmOnly thing is basically operating agreement.Mar 08 04:16
oiaohmOn unified coding on QTMar 08 04:16
oiaohmBreach of that complete game changes very quicky.  gnufreexMar 08 04:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Can't remember if I already posted @bkuhn's article but it'll bear repeating anyway :)Mar 08 04:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Hypervisor supports Atom, 64-bit guest OSes - sheenasuben's blog http://ping.fm/0oYPtMar 08 04:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @sandersch Got my HTC Incredible S :-D it's bigger then my HTC Magic and very slightly smaller then the HTC HD (workphone). !AndroidMar 08 04:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[slated/@slated] http://slated.org/copygate_exposes_ugly_ubuntuMar 08 04:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] RT @nicubunu Blog: Breaking News: Fedora 15 *Beta* leaked! Now with desktop icons!: The Alpha release of Fedora 15 is expecte... http:// ...Mar 08 04:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[slated/@slated] http://slated.org/copygate_exposes_ugly_ubuntu #Ubuntu #Copygate #Bansheegate #Peanutgate #Banshee #GnomeMar 08 04:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Debian Squeeze. Installing Dropbox > install libnautilus-extension-dev & python-docutils then ./configure > make > make installMar 08 04:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I mention this cos Dropbox's Deb file seems to be prepared for !Ubuntu and won't work in !Debian Squeeze, or wouldn't for me at any rateMar 08 04:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] What do alpine steinbock and arctic crustaceans have in common? Climate Change - http://bit.ly/gNkc6F and so it goes onMar 08 05:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Coming soon: Pirated movies in 3D - http://bit.ly/gCEhRu an arms race industry will never win #piracy #3dMar 08 05:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] When is a PC not PC? When it's a unified European one - http://bit.ly/fNtXnJ another #swpats by the backdoor attempt blocked (v @glynwintle)Mar 08 05:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Governments press #ICANN over new domain rules - http://cnet.co/fJD7Gh things getting heavy (v @rmack)Mar 08 05:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @luisroca A !Perl sonnet I wrote and posted on !Perl Monks recently in honor of my trip to Nicaragua http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_i ...Mar 08 05:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Think it's time to tear @barrysookman a new one.Mar 08 05:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Vryka: EC 446 What to do. http://bit.ly/ggWuOo #weblit #webfic #fantasy #Minis #readingMar 08 05:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] explained a colleague I not against paying for games as 'free' (of charge), but believe more in a model reform; micropayment, eval. use, etcMar 08 05:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @missoularedhead: New blogpost: would you do what teachers do if you made what they make? http://bit.ly/i6fsfQMar 08 05:38
amarsh04http://smarthouse.com.au/Gaming/Industry/V6D8W3S7Mar 08 05:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thetecheye: Virgin starts throttling customers - Beardie miffed by P2P http://bit.ly/hyykLc #internetMar 08 05:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @MeaganTrush: New blog post in the spirit of International Women's Day: http://ow.ly/49S7bMar 08 05:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] collaboration's demise - http://bit.ly/hmKmsZ "I am fully aware that the content of this blog entry is potentially incendiary"; what funMar 08 05:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Adobe Flash Player 10.3 Linux Beta Released: Adobe's just released their first beta of Flash Player 10.3 for Win... http://bit.ly/i0rLaZMar 08 05:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @fontana @bkuhn !LO episodes are structured somewhat like Roman Catholic massesMar 08 05:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @bkuhn @fontana, what I find #disturbing about lawyers controlling policy is attempts to do so in fields where they lack expertise (e ...Mar 08 05:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @glynmoody: 3D Printed Adult's Bicycle - http://bit.ly/eHoEI4 it's the future #3dprinters - bye bye CCM!Mar 08 05:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] all that stuff on #alain is 'made by hand'? #OMFG... you seriously need a real job or a hobby! #leisuretimeMar 08 05:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @nearyd Canonical-created initiatives have great names: "Unity", "Harmony"... unfortunately they seem to indicate the opposite of wha ...Mar 08 05:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #China’s #green era begins - http://bit.ly/hhCAiq to “construct a resource-conserving and environmentally friendly society”; let's hope...Mar 08 05:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thetecheye: Western Digital and Hitachi are going to eat Seagate for breakfast http://bit.ly/fn7COg - Cannibals at the Gates!Mar 08 05:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Android Market: XSS hole allows unauthorised installation of apps http://ping.fm/3ifyXMar 08 05:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Break the rules, get the coins: how one man "crashed" a GDC panel - http://bit.ly/hoaZ64 I can't follow this story; luckily, I don't care...Mar 08 05:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: CPC MP Colin Carrie was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 08 http://bit.ly/gOmt0VMar 08 05:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Packetstorm: Anonymous Targets Manning Jailers http://ping.fm/EFcthMar 08 05:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: CPC MP Larry Miller was lobbied by University of Saskatchewan on Feb. 07 http://bit.ly/eGR5jRMar 08 05:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Wayne Easter was lobbied by University of Saskatchewan on Feb. 07 http://bit.ly/fUNQjiMar 08 05:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: CPC MP Pierre Lemieux was lobbied by University of Saskatchewan on Feb. 07 http://bit.ly/gpkS4ZMar 08 05:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: CPC MP Randy Hoback was lobbied by University of Saskatchewan on Feb. 07 http://bit.ly/dG1jRKMar 08 05:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Derek Lee was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 15 http://bit.ly/hmJasqMar 08 05:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] OK bad credit there. That last story was actually from ForbesMar 08 05:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Kirsty Duncan was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 15 http://bit.ly/idmDf0Mar 08 05:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Bonnie Crombie was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 15 http://bit.ly/dH2YFPMar 08 05:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Alan Tonks was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 15 http://bit.ly/eZFYkRMar 08 05:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] SXSWi: The open agenda | http://bit.ly/fRIjO9 #opensource #collaborationMar 08 05:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Judy Sgro was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 15 http://bit.ly/eZZvYCMar 08 05:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: CPC MP Mike Wallace was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 08 http://bit.ly/hZflpLMar 08 05:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Francis Valeriote was lobbied by University of Saskatchewan on Feb. 07 http://bit.ly/fwR6i3Mar 08 05:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: CPC MP Terence Young was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 08 http://bit.ly/dIsO1XMar 08 05:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] And this is the story that confused me: Hacker Kills His Own Pwn2Own Bug For Android Phones ≈ Packet Storm http://ping.fm/iOjnwMar 08 05:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm not gonna be able to post news properly today. I have my mind on other things. So maybe a day offline is in orderMar 08 05:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @dduane: RT @The_WhiteWitch: I may be an evil tyrant, but I earn 16% less than Lord Voldemort or Darth Vader. #internationalwomensdayMar 08 06:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Kernel prepatch 2.6.38-rc8 http://lwn.net/Articles/432000/rssMar 08 06:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @ThePMSaidSo: RT @ragouri: My next follower will be #300. Didn't realize there were that many printer cartridge spammers in the world.Mar 08 06:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Anti-corruption chief on Kenyan kleptocracy http://alturl.com/vrhze !wlMar 08 06:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: #China’s #green era begins - http://bit.ly/hhCAiq to “construct a resource-conserving and environmentally friendly society”...Mar 08 06:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] PLoS ONE, #OpenAccess, and the Future of Scholarly Publishing - http://bit.ly/fFuTt6 important, massive (42 pp) essay from Richard PoynderMar 08 06:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: Onions Against Dictators: Torservers.net. Torservers.net gets $10K from Access Now http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49858Mar 08 06:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: When is a PC not PC? When it's a unified European one - http://bit.ly/fNtXnJ another #swpats by the backdoor attempt blocked..Mar 08 06:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] The political agenda of #Facebook and #Google http://ur1.ca/3fab4 #sex_math_programming A rant off an #npr storyMar 08 06:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: 4,700,00 Australian file sharing thieves. 'Struth!' http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49859Mar 08 06:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] LLVM 2.9 Begins Lining Up For Release: Not only is GCC 4.6 on the way, but the developers at Apple and elsewhere... http://bit.ly/e5t5WSMar 08 06:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ebooks: durability is a feature, not a bug - http://bit.ly/gJ3nxh quite: another sign publishers just don't get it #ebooks #publishingMar 08 06:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] How the Department of Justice Colluded With Bank Of America To Destroy Wikileaks and Silence Journalists http://is.gd/mdUWxL !wlMar 08 06:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @BarrettBrownLOL: FBI should recuse itself from #anonymous investigation until we're done investigating FBI - ROFLMAOMar 08 06:26
speexbTniPAThere is a lot of comment spam in the techrights wiki now.Mar 08 06:28
speexbTniPAhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&feed=rssMar 08 06:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Video of Mark Pesce's LCA keynote available http://lwn.net/Articles/432010/rssMar 08 06:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @HDInstitute: Agnes Macphail, Canada's first female MP contributed to the reform of the Canadian penal system. http://ow.ly/49jAd #IWD11Mar 08 06:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Take action to support a significant drawdown of troops from Afghanistan by July http://bit.ly/dImug3Mar 08 06:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @doctorow: POKE THE BOX: @sethgodin's DO SOMETHING NOW manifesto http://tinyurl.com/5uryate #inspiringMar 08 06:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Damn, too many people have been saying interesting things today. Never mind the lobbying. I only retweeted the part that looked IP related.Mar 08 06:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #WIPO & the future of #copyright - http://bit.ly/f4nMzN "affirms the winds of #change that have been sweeping through that institution"Mar 08 06:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks editorial: 100 days of Cablegate http://alturl.com/rrdxp !wlMar 08 06:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] OHIP - bureaucracy over rules common sense in breast cancer case: http://bit.ly/hZr74K #cancer #ohip #bastardsMar 08 06:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tuxradar/@tuxradar] Your opinions wanted for our podcast Open Ballot: does free software need a figurehead like RMS? http://tinyurl.com/4wb3onjMar 08 06:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'd forgotten how good Gwibber 1.2 was - and it is good (Moving to Debian Squeeze)Mar 08 06:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] The Middle East feminist revolution | Al Jazeera http://is.gd/dKyh3q !wlMar 08 06:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] What the hell went wrong! (with Gwibber 2+)Mar 08 06:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Mendeley Launches $10,001 API Contest for Open Science Apps - http://rww.to/f1UJ6G nice, but open source would have been nicerMar 08 07:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] What do you want to ask 1,200 CS professors? | http://bit.ly/fNVzje #opensource #collaboration #SIGCSEMar 08 07:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @graziano: #firefox probably back in !debian 7. Talks in progress: http://ur1.ca/33nny !fsf !icecat !lpitMar 08 07:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @mvalente: "Daqui a 1 ano não existirá Guantanamo!" http://goo.gl/kkmCH #obama #palhaço #demagogo #patosMar 08 07:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @mvalente: "Adobe releases Flash to HTML5 converter" http://goo.gl/ZyZBu Love being right... http://goo.gl/LlBlD #eatmyshorts #naysayersMar 08 07:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] StatCounter: #Android tops #BlackBerry globally for the first time - http://bit.ly/eQGKGx how long before it tops everything?Mar 08 07:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] just got a robo-marketing call from a withheld number which reserved my line even after hanging up several times, I'm with the #TPS tooMar 08 07:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Belgien diskutiert Netzsperren und 3-Strikes - http://bit.ly/fe8KQI bad #Belgium #3strikes #hadopiMar 08 07:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Fedora 15 Alpha is out. Help test and break it! http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease #fbMar 08 07:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Feds finally extend security baseline to Red Hat (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/humdASMar 08 07:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] GAH ! youtube now making it compulsory to link to a google account. I was holding out for quite a while there :|Mar 08 07:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Adobe releases Flash to HTML converter(InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/fBcaaKMar 08 07:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ars technica: Future of Qt brighter after Digia buys licensing biz from Nokia http://goo.gl/nf5K0Mar 08 07:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Potential Open Source License Violations In #Android and #iOS Apps? - http://bit.ly/fvPvMI highly likely, I would have thought #licensingMar 08 07:13
MinceRhttp://www.reddit.com/tb/fzkvfMar 08 07:19
MinceR:facepalm:Mar 08 07:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] VMware releases vCenter configuration management software (Network World): http://bit.ly/e9p1slMar 08 07:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] !OpenMoko !Freerunner: probably the only "obsolete" phone that keeps getting better. New kconfig == 5% to 10% faster http://is.gd/1XE53mMar 08 07:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] they offered #Marks&Spencer gift vouchers for entry, so there's another connection for the police to investigate to find their identiyMar 08 07:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Wikileaks exposes illegal logging in Peru http://is.gd/jHNhnc !wlMar 08 07:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Thomas: That's it, we're quitting http://lwn.net/Articles/432017/rssMar 08 07:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Why Pwn2Own doesn't target !Linux By Sean Michael Kerner http://is.gd/H4eTZAMar 08 07:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Last Call: Ontology for Media Resources 1.0 http://ow.ly/1bFxSoMar 08 07:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻@telecomix Behold the rise of #INTERCOM: Emergency Communication Division - http://intercom.gs #emcom #telecomix #libya #whitefax #hamradioMar 08 07:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @ruiseabra !OpenMoko !Freerunner: probably the only "obsolete" phone that keeps getting better. New kconfig == 5% to 10% faster http: ...Mar 08 07:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Alpha version of !Fedora 15 released - The H Open Source: News and Features http://ping.fm/iWZgoMar 08 07:38
GoForbes28MinceR: So how exactly are the programs going to terminate completely?  Or are they not?Mar 08 07:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Wikileaks Editorial - 100 Days of Cablegate - http://bit.ly/i681X3 no word of a faster release cycle... (V @WLLegal)Mar 08 07:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Back to using the Beagle as a laptop desk. He's feeling needy today, and just has to be on my lap.Mar 08 07:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Fedora Alpha is getting plenty of coverage. Internet news » http://goo.gl/e0QuaMar 08 07:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Chevenga: Philosopher in Arms 448 tser : The ghost of Mana visits me. http://bit.ly/dEBzBi #amwriting #Chevenga #weblitMar 08 07:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Emma_A: RT @MsInformation: Every day should be #InternationalWomensDay. Rock on, ladies! #AnonymissMar 08 07:45
GoForbes28MinceR: That entire article was, wow...Mar 08 07:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I seriously considered Fedora, but I want a system I can stay with for a while now cos life's getting busier and that means DebianMar 08 07:46
MinceRGoForbes28: they don't care, they're crApple cultistsMar 08 07:47
MinceRthey have crApple "thinking"Mar 08 07:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Fedora 15 Lovelock Alpha Arrives: Dennis Gilmore has announced the official release of Fedora 15 Alpha. This nex... http://bit.ly/ghyxRcMar 08 07:48
MinceRand their working assumption is that _every_ user is a complete idiot who refuses to learn anything about computersMar 08 07:48
speexbTniPAFWIW 2001 marks the 20th anniversary of PGPMar 08 07:52
speexbTniPAI notice everything is much more centralized and censorized since then, the days of Usenet.Mar 08 07:52
speexbTniPA2001 -> 2011Mar 08 07:52
MinceRit seems soMar 08 07:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Which spelling libs do I need for !Gwibber 1.2 in !Debian !Squeeze?Mar 08 07:58
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GoForbes28http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5675/125/Mar 08 07:59
GoForbes28"The factor common to successful low-cost models, our work suggests, is neither strong enforcement against pirates nor the creative use of digital distribution, but rather the presence of firms that actively compete on price and services for local customers. Such competition is endemic in some media sectors in the United States and Europe, where digital distribution is reshaping media access around lower price points. It is widespread in India,Mar 08 07:59
GoForbes28where large domestic film and music industries dominate the national market, set prices to attract mass audiences, and in some cases compete directly with pirate distribution. And it is a small but persistent factor in the business software sector, where open-source software alternatives (and increasingly, Google and other free online services) limit the market power of commercial vendors."Mar 08 07:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @gbraad ok. debian is good as well.Mar 08 08:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] @evan I've never listened closely enough to that terrible song to hear the homophobia. Good times.Mar 08 08:00
GoForbes28Yeah, I know the terms used in the study are inaccurate and stupidMar 08 08:01
GoForbes28but at least it provides more evidence that the good infailable conglomerates are wrongMar 08 08:01
GoForbes28and can be used as another piece of evidence against their reign of ignoranceMar 08 08:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Curses, the dorm market is stocking clif bars again. *gobbles down the fourth one*Mar 08 08:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Oh doesn't look like Spelling was in 1.2 - never mind I'll just have to be more careful that's allMar 08 08:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: p2pnet under threat. Again. This time, it's Getty Images http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49857Mar 08 08:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: StatCounter: #Android tops #BlackBerry globally for the first time - http://bit.ly/eQGKGx how long before it tops everything?Mar 08 08:03
GoForbes28gnufreex, your thoughts?Mar 08 08:03
gnufreexGoForbes28 about what?Mar 08 08:04
gnufreexahhMar 08 08:04
gnufreexthatMar 08 08:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Potential Open Source License Violations In #Android and #iOS Apps? - http://bit.ly/fvPvMI highly likely, I would have thoughtMar 08 08:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Wikileaks Editorial - 100 Days of Cablegate - http://bit.ly/i681X3 no word of a faster release cycle... (V @WLLegal)Mar 08 08:05
GoForbes28As I said, the lingo in the study is the typical "piracy" and "open-source" B.S. and generalizationsMar 08 08:05
GoForbes28but the conclusions seem reasonable for onceMar 08 08:05
gnufreexNo time to read, but it seems they say piracy is not that bad?Mar 08 08:06
gnufreexCorrect?Mar 08 08:06
GoForbes28yeah, and that the other studies and arguments used thus far suck and are laughably dated, particularly in concepts and termsMar 08 08:06
gnufreexBookmarking now, will be back later.Mar 08 08:07
gnufreexHave to goMar 08 08:07
GoForbes28bbsMar 08 08:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @encyclomundi: For International Women's Day books by and about women http://booklover206.tumblr.comMar 08 08:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Craigslist Founder Launches craigconnects: “The Biggest Thing In My Life” - http://tcrn.ch/dVOkNW only connect... #nonprofitsMar 08 08:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @mcastel in !Ubuntu I have at least four #git clients for free. In Mac OS it seems I have to pay no less than 31.99 EUROS #iuseubunt ...Mar 08 08:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Jolicloud Becomes Joli OS, Announces Cross-Platform Apps http://ping.fm/8oOMXMar 08 08:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] ♺ @biglesp: @heeed will have to setup a !crunchbang installfest for !oggcamp @corenominal ;)Mar 08 08:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Participate in !Free!Music!Week 2011 http://mkzä.de/785 recommend CC-licensed music, use tag #37ccMar 08 08:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Ostatic: What if Hewlett-Packard Bought !RedHat? http://ping.fm/FyItlMar 08 08:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] A Kafkaesque Data-trail: the Hunt for “Europe’s Hidden Billions” - http://bit.ly/eLPacv great work despite the obstacles #capitalism #euMar 08 08:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Jolicloud Becomes Joli OS, Announces Cross-Platform Apps - http://rww.to/gsEwHA interesting stuff, but still not really convincedMar 08 08:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] InMobi Adds More Evidence That #Android Is #Winning (With 37 Percent Mobile #Ad Share) - http://tcrn.ch/dF9VBx as if we needed anyMar 08 08:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Some MeeGo architecture changes announced http://lwn.net/Articles/432053/rssMar 08 08:46
twitterlol, zuckerberg complains that people he can't identify lack integrity. http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000823.htmlMar 08 08:50
twitterFacebook commenting systems don't spell bad news for spammers and trolls, many of whom are PR people with "pre aged" persona.Mar 08 08:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] more originality from #Hollywood http://tighturl.com/2zp9 sorry, that was a misleading dent, just practising my marketing skills ;PMar 08 08:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @firusvg: Adobe Releases Flash to HTML5 Conversion Tool http://rww.to/hnzvC5 /via @Scobleizer @RWWMar 08 09:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] #wobwubwobblewobblewubwubMar 08 09:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] NEWS: Keynotes, program and more today announced for upcoming Collaboration Summit: http://bit.ly/esCpS9 #lfcollabMar 08 09:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxfoundation: Original: Looking for a MeeGo Job? Looking for a MeeGo Developer? http://bit.ly/gPvopt #linux #mobile #jobsMar 08 09:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @arstechnica: Hackers spear-phish, infiltrate French Ministry of Finances: http://t.co/04kpmSO by @drpizza #securityMar 08 09:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Artykuł na temat spotkania NGOsów w sprawie akcji Stop Cenzurze 2 - na stronie !FWiOO: ur1.ca/3fbimMar 08 09:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] The Direction Of ATI Radeon Graphics In Ubuntu 11.04: With Ubuntu 11.04 arriving in a little more than a month, ... http://bit.ly/gcPuR1Mar 08 09:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Flash 10.2 Found To Be Crashtastic http://is.gd/j5VCls #adobe #flash #softwareMar 08 09:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @firusvg: Adobe Releases Flash to HTML5 Conversion Tool http://rww.to/hnzvC5 /via @Scobleizer @RWWMar 08 09:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Amazing Toroidal Knots! - http://bit.ly/dN45QF yours to print out and keep (if you have as #3dprinter...) #thingiverseMar 08 09:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] This is pretty crazy: http://ur1.ca/3fbj2 Courtesy of @rmsMar 08 09:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL. Seems like my !Minecraft videos are converting quite a few people to the game...Mar 08 09:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @bkuhn: Do PPL who use services in the .ly domain (s. as bit.ly via #Twitter) realize they're helping fund the oppressive regime in Libya?Mar 08 09:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @danielmarti: #Nokia appoints new head of #MeeGo #gnu #linux efforts: Sebastian Nyström. http://ur1.ca/3fbbgMar 08 09:25
twitterha ha, more "IP courts" don't always add up to more influence for US companies.  http://spectrum.ieee.org/consumer-electronics/audiovideo/taiwan-patent-court-a-concern-for-us-tech-firmsMar 08 09:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] ♺ @climagic: sleep 8h # Because you can't do this in real life.Mar 08 09:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] James Bond in Drag For International Women’s Day - http://bit.ly/dNal6t nicely done... #iwdMar 08 09:26
twitterPJ says quotes it, "U.S. companies have sought speedier decisions through reforms and a dedicated IP Court [in Taiwan]. But now that the court is in session, the new legal system is speedily dismissing U.S. patent holders' claims.  [PJ: File under You Reap What You Sow.]Mar 08 09:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Wooooo! Alpha of F15 is out: http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease -- gotta try this soon!Mar 08 09:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @henryconcep: #Fedora 15 #Lovelock Alpha Arrives http://bit.ly/hE7Zjp (love the codename) #gnu #linux #softwareMar 08 09:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] ♺ @henriksonj: RT @grateful__dead: RIP Pigpen 3-8-1973 "RONALD C. McKERNAN 1945–1973 PIGPEN WAS AND IS NOW FOREVER ONE OF THE GRATEFUL DEAD"Mar 08 09:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @zotz in what sense?Mar 08 09:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] RT @bkuhn Do people who use services in the .ly domain (such as bit.ly via #Twitter) realize they are helping fund the oppressive regime ...Mar 08 09:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Del Mastro says some witnesses are trying to "game" the C-32 process - trying to go last which accounts for sked problems. #c32Mar 08 09:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC explains work on behalf of creators - w/SAC, Doc Org of Canada, independent authors w/Google book settlement. #c32Mar 08 09:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh I downloaded a daily image from a few days ago and it was quite impressive. Although the UI is less configurable, it's no longer slowMar 08 09:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh At least with my hardware :)Mar 08 09:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC supports C-32's fair dealing, consumer exceptions, user gen content prov; but dig locks hurts consumers & creators #c32Mar 08 09:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @aprilorg: Logiciel Libre et Cantonales 2011 : l'April relance l'opération "un tract, un pacte!" http://ur1.ca/3fb4v #aprilMar 08 09:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @artandwriting: Hey tweeps, who are your favorite female artists & writers? #internationalwomensday - Lois McMaster Bujold!Mar 08 09:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: .@russellmcormond "anytime you hear lock, you must ask who owns the key": purpose is to lock out the owner. #c32Mar 08 09:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @lovenemesis: Multi screens and HDMI support of #AMD is much better than #NVIDIA on #Linux. #gnuMar 08 09:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Garneau says he shares CIPPIC's view on digital locks. It supports need to link circumvention with copyright infringement. #c32Mar 08 09:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @flameeyes: @carlopiana: I wonder if we can say the same by paying Italian taxes...<that is arguably unescapable ;-)Mar 08 09:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC says stat damage change removes coercive effect on individuals for "30 images on a site" [abt what McTeague's doing]#c32Mar 08 09:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC: Digital lock rules & restrictive fair dealing a problem for doc film makers that is only going to grow over time. #C32Mar 08 09:33
DaemonFCWhy does Google say a bug is "Linux only" when the bug is in the X.org X Server?Mar 08 09:34
DaemonFCthat means it could apply to any operating system that uses X.org's X ServerMar 08 09:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Angus: What concerns me abt C-32 is that it guarantees consumer rights but users may not be able to exercise due to locks. #c32Mar 08 09:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC: Two constitutional problems in C-32: 1. Digital lock rules 2. Charter concerns w/restrictions freedom of expression #c32Mar 08 09:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @schestowitz Forbes Estimates M$ Down to 75% Share of PCs http://ur1.ca/3eu8f #gnu #linux #mac #apple #windowsMar 08 09:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC: Educational fair dealing most misunderstood provision in C-32: does not permit wholesale copying as some suggest. #c32Mar 08 09:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mohanpram: Future of #Qt brighter after Digia buys licensing biz from #Nokia http://ur1.ca/3fawhMar 08 09:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC: C-32 fair dealing gives teachers confidence to bring tech into class & allows students bring their content to class #c32Mar 08 09:35
DaemonFCOpenBSD gets to go on and on about not having security bugs that often in the default configuration because the default configuration doesn't have things like X11, or web browser, or even a graphical user interface (desktop environment)Mar 08 09:36
DaemonFCto say nothing of the fact that most of the network services are either not there or disabledMar 08 09:36
DaemonFCso it's really secure because they don't include anything that enables the computer to do anything but sit there, hum, and use electricityMar 08 09:37
twitteror run SSHMar 08 09:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @missoularedhead: For Lent, I've decided to give up giving something up.Mar 08 09:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Can't wait to run the F-15 "Eagle" ...eh... I mean "Pubic Hair" release. :DMar 08 09:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @fabsh it's not a direct effect. .ly is held by Lybian government. The more popular .ly is, the more domains they sell (see .tv)Mar 08 09:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Bloc puts forward motion to ask isoHunt's Gary Fung to appear before C-32 committee. #c32Mar 08 09:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Hey Banglore ! I am Here .. KDE conf.. 2011, @kdeindiaMar 08 09:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Del Mastro notes isoHunt currently before the courts & don't want to hurt industry case against site [using current law] #c32Mar 08 09:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Consensus that no motion but will invite isoHunt's Fung to appear before the C-32 committee. #c32Mar 08 09:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I think people who think boycotting .ly changes anything are deluding themselves. Writing to the UN would probably accomplish a lot more...Mar 08 09:38
DaemonFCif you were keeping score, you'd probably find that 90% or more of the security bugs in a Linux distribution are only there when the user has X, a GUI, and nifty things like web browsers and media players and instant messengers and SAMBA, and CUPS, an....Mar 08 09:39
DaemonFCso it comes down to the fact that almost every feature you use will bring security bugs with itMar 08 09:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @LucianSavluc: Carnival in Brazil 2011 - The joy of color, wonderful images - http://is.gd/govPobMar 08 09:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @TechCrunch: OpenText Acquires Mobile App Deployment Software Maker weComm http://tcrn.ch/gnbsmc by @robinwautersMar 08 09:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @JesseBrown: Did @CharlieAngusMP violate Warner Music's ©? The CBC's? Does DMCA have jurisdiction in Canada? Podcast http://bit.ly/f6JeIEMar 08 09:40
twitterI'm not sure why people run sambaMar 08 09:40
DaemonFCthey split a lot of hairs with OpenBSD, I'm not so sure it's any more secure than FreeBSD or Linux distributions in a similar configurationMar 08 09:40
twitterand I'm not fond of CUPS web controlMar 08 09:40
DaemonFCMozilla closes a dozen or more security bugs in Firefox alone every month, let's worry about what this ralink driver is up toMar 08 09:41
DaemonFCtin foil hat to the extreme :)Mar 08 09:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @popey: @bkuhn Does that mean people who own .com domains help support the regime in the USA? #guantanamoMar 08 09:41
twitterthere's nothing silly about looking at driversMar 08 09:42
DaemonFCany operating system that preoccupied with security and bug audits wouldn't even offer XulrunnerMar 08 09:42
DaemonFCI'm not real impressed with Mozilla to be honestMar 08 09:42
DaemonFCChatzilla broke in October, the patch to fix it is one line in a script that only affects ChatzillaMar 08 09:43
DaemonFCand they still haven't applied it :)Mar 08 09:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[demuxer/@demuxer] 100 Days of !Cablegate http://rod.gs/Sqg Keep it going !wikileaksMar 08 09:43
DaemonFCtheir bug fixing policy could use some work, because it seems in some cases they leave bugs open for months or more when the patch to fix them is trivial and if applied, it only affects the thing that broke anyway :)Mar 08 09:44
twitterDo you still run Vista, DaemonFC?Mar 08 09:44
DaemonFCnoMar 08 09:44
twittergood for youMar 08 09:44
DaemonFCI tinkered with Vista for a while until I figured there was just no way to work around all that was wrong with itMar 08 09:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @fontana: I am hereby placing the (still draft) !Fedora Project Contributor Agreement http://ur1.ca/3fbit under !CC -0 http://ur1.ca/3fbiuMar 08 09:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] +1 ♺ @aptidude: @fabsh I'm boycotting people who boycott.Mar 08 09:45
twitterdo you run any version of Windows?Mar 08 09:45
DaemonFCI have Windows XP in a KVM virtual machineMar 08 09:45
DaemonFCB-)Mar 08 09:45
DaemonFCI would use Xen, but that's not going to happenMar 08 09:46
DaemonFCI tried using it in Xen and it wouldn't even start upMar 08 09:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mettaben/@mettaben] ♻ @swadeshine It's a sad state of affairs when exposing war crimes has more dire consequences than committing them. #Manning !WikiLeaksMar 08 09:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Prisoners Help Build Patriot Missiles | Wired http://is.gd/fQtIFL !wlMar 08 09:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[1g0r/@1g0r] ♺ @mettaben: ♻ @swadeshine It's a sad state of affairs when exposing war crimes has more dire consequences than committing them #Manning !wlMar 08 09:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @nybill: @windigo You are a living archive! ;)Mar 08 09:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @beefymiracle: Do it with relish! Check out http://beefymiracle.org and think of me for #Fedora 16!Mar 08 09:53
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twitterMichael Moore on the war against the middle class http://www.alternet.org/economy/150139/michael_moore:_the_smug_wealthy_have_gone_too_far_--_and_we're_finally_fighting_back?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=alternetMar 08 09:57
twitterbetter link http://www.alternet.org/economy/150139/michael_moore:_the_smug_wealthy_have_gone_too_far_--_and_we're_finally_fighting_back?page=entireMar 08 09:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] The World’s First Goateed Robot Is Unbelievably Creepy (Gawker): http://gaw.kr/geW8WBMar 08 10:00
sultan2What?! This economics illiteral (Moore)Mar 08 10:00
twitterI think there is a tremendous generational divide between people now in power who grew up with the opportunities of the late 60s and 70s and the rest of us who have been steadily locked out. Mar 08 10:00
sultan2Listen to Alex Jones http://www.infowars.com/Mar 08 10:00
sultan2Is twitter a bot?Mar 08 10:00
twitterI'm a person, thank you.Mar 08 10:01
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twitterhttp://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/217907Mar 08 10:01
twitterMoore's observations are close to the ground and often insightful Mar 08 10:02
Diablo-D3sultan2: are you fucking kidding meMar 08 10:02
Diablo-D3infowars == failMar 08 10:03
sultan2Freedomain Radio, thenMar 08 10:03
twitterHis examples, teachers, nurses, airline pilots are excellent examples of how many professionals have been reduced to subsistence wages.Mar 08 10:03
sultan2Moore doesn't know anything about economicsMar 08 10:03
twittertake what it givesMar 08 10:04
sultan2He propose the same thing, which is socialismMar 08 10:04
Diablo-D3socalism isnt the answer directlyMar 08 10:04
sultan2I can do life by my own, without government/state touchMar 08 10:04
twitterif you believe in public education, you are a socialist Mar 08 10:04
Diablo-D3true capitalism is indirectly socialismMar 08 10:04
Diablo-D3you stop any company that actively tries to destroy the free marketMar 08 10:04
Diablo-D3ergo, everyone is free to have a job and earn meaningful wagesMar 08 10:05
DaemonFCOld people, social security. = What's ours is ours and what's yours is ours.Mar 08 10:05
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 10:05
DaemonFCthey get to retire and spend the last 20-30-40 years of their life on the government's dimeMar 08 10:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Assange's rage against the state | NZ Herald http://is.gd/Q4iiKG !wlMar 08 10:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Prisoners Help Build Patriot Missiles | Wired http://is.gd/fQtIFL http://bit.ly/eStLbbMar 08 10:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Assange's rage against the state | NZ Herald http://is.gd/Q4iiKG http://bit.ly/hg82ZpMar 08 10:06
DaemonFCmy generation will have to work into our 80s to cover thisMar 08 10:06
twitterMoore proposes to claw back some of the corporate welfare the ultra rich have scraped up at everyone else's expense.  Taxing the wealthy because that's where all the money is - that's hardly socialism it's practical policy. Mar 08 10:06
DaemonFCwe're being hosed by our parents and grandparentsMar 08 10:07
Diablo-D3Moore is correct.Mar 08 10:07
Diablo-D3"corporate welfare for the rich" is effectively socialism done horribly wrongMar 08 10:07
Diablo-D3socialism is where everyone gets a piece of the outermost pieMar 08 10:07
Diablo-D3there is nothing inherently wrong with thatMar 08 10:07
DaemonFCsocialists know how to spend your money better than you doMar 08 10:07
DaemonFCthat's why they take so much of it :)Mar 08 10:07
Diablo-D3a little of that is even required to keep large societies from collapsingMar 08 10:07
twitterour parents and grandparents are in turn being hosed.  "end of life" health care often leaves them broke if insurance has not already done thatMar 08 10:08
Diablo-D3but socialist programs should only exist to protect those who society needs to functionMar 08 10:08
Diablo-D3twitter: yes, which is nutsMar 08 10:08
DaemonFCit would be a laugh riot if they actually posted figures on how many of those people who get free healthcare at the emergency room are even in the US legallyMar 08 10:08
Diablo-D3they DID pay into the systemMar 08 10:08
Diablo-D3far more than we ever canMar 08 10:08
DaemonFCor how many of them can't speak english and cost the hospital money to pay an interpreter Mar 08 10:08
Diablo-D3all americans, especially them, deserve the utmost best healthcare.Mar 08 10:09
Diablo-D3normally I would argue against outright socialism like that... but lets face it, the rich stole all their moneyMar 08 10:09
Diablo-D3otherwise they could pay it all out of pocketMar 08 10:09
DaemonFCthe system isn't working because the people that pay the least into every one of these programs benefit the most out of itMar 08 10:09
Diablo-D3they'd be at least in the single digit millions.Mar 08 10:09
twitterhealthcare is increasingly a "privilege" for the rich and powerful - people should do better than that for each otherMar 08 10:10
Diablo-D3twitter: wellMar 08 10:10
DaemonFCthey didn't even have Social Security until my grandparents were in their 40sMar 08 10:10
Diablo-D3heres the large problemMar 08 10:10
Diablo-D3those rich never deserved to be richMar 08 10:10
DaemonFCthey payd virtually nil into it and got to retire at 65Mar 08 10:10
Diablo-D3very few ever earned it with their own hard workMar 08 10:10
DaemonFCgood deal, now I get to pay for itMar 08 10:10
Diablo-D3the few that did? they deserve it.Mar 08 10:10
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Diablo-D3the rest? it should be taken from them.Mar 08 10:10
twitterthe poor are obviously not the problem because they have next to no income and wealth, don't blame them.Mar 08 10:10
DaemonFCSocial Security is collapsing because the first generations that retired on it didn't pay that much into itMar 08 10:11
DaemonFCnot a healthy start for a Ponzi scamMar 08 10:11
twitterIt wold be a lot easier to tax the top 1% of the country that has as much wealth as the bottom 50% combined.Mar 08 10:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @ratholeradio: A new Rathole Radio is out now, check out the tunes and enjoy :) - http://ratholeradio.org/2011/03/ep47/Mar 08 10:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Wikileaks: Egyptian activist denies masterminding Jan. 25 revolution http://is.gd/JTEj1e !wlMar 08 10:11
twitterI'm not sure what jokers like Gates do for society, other than tell people how to get him more money.Mar 08 10:12
Diablo-D3twitter: but the thing isMar 08 10:12
DaemonFCMy grandparents Paid little, Got a lot. My parents paid a lot and probably break even. My generation, pays their entire life and never gets to retire.Mar 08 10:12
Diablo-D3poor dont CHOOSE to be poorMar 08 10:12
twitterI consider him a parasite. Mar 08 10:12
Diablo-D3they were born poor, and they will die poorMar 08 10:12
Diablo-D3you cant make money out of nothingMar 08 10:12
DaemonFCThanks mom, dad, grandma, grandpa!Mar 08 10:12
Diablo-D3they deserve, from the day they are born, a job that is meaningful and wages that are meaningfulMar 08 10:12
Diablo-D3most social programs _would not need to exist_ if the system worked.Mar 08 10:13
DaemonFCso what if a person isn't all that smart or ambitiousMar 08 10:13
DaemonFCshould they pay him $20 an hour to sling hash?Mar 08 10:13
Diablo-D3we'd all be able to afford healthcare, they'red be no health insurance companies (which are gigantic scams to steal money), we wouldnt need social security, and we'd be all investing huge sums of money in the general health and welfare of our nationMar 08 10:13
twitterThere's value in the work, obviously. Mar 08 10:13
DaemonFCthe more people can do the work, the less valuable the work isMar 08 10:14
twitterMost of it is simply sucked up by people who don't deserve it.Mar 08 10:14
Diablo-D3twitter: not only is there value in work, the system actively tries to destroy the work of peopleMar 08 10:14
DaemonFCthere's fewer people who can do heart surgery than can man the fryolator at McDonaldsMar 08 10:14
DaemonFCand the salary disparity shows itMar 08 10:14
Diablo-D3I agree... but most of whats sucked up is done so by whos at the very top of the list: the rich.Mar 08 10:14
twitterthe top of the list do little more than own thingsMar 08 10:15
Diablo-D3most rich people were born richMar 08 10:15
twittertheir disproportionate ownership of stocks and bonds make every corporate bail out a case of robbery.Mar 08 10:15
Diablo-D3they never did a day of work in their lives.Mar 08 10:15
Diablo-D3twitter: I agree.Mar 08 10:15
Diablo-D3not only that, its borderline terrorismMar 08 10:16
Diablo-D3its also grossly unconstitutionalMar 08 10:16
DaemonFCBill Gates wasn't born richMar 08 10:16
DaemonFCin fact, he dropped out of collegeMar 08 10:16
DaemonFCdoesn't even have a degree (except a few honorary)Mar 08 10:16
twitterGates was born very richs.Mar 08 10:16
twitterhe dropped out of college because he could and went on to start his business with family money and powerful political and legal connectionsMar 08 10:17
Diablo-D3yes, he wasMar 08 10:17
Diablo-D3yupMar 08 10:17
Diablo-D3which means most of his wealth should be stripped.Mar 08 10:17
twitterShowed his dad a new way to hoover up public wealth - software, traffic systems, etc.Mar 08 10:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Need Speaker for second day - 13 March at Delhi for FOSS talk http://lug-iitd.org/Geek_meetup_-_13_Mar_2011 !GeekMeetupDMar 08 10:18
twitterNow he's moved into the last profitable segments of society, medicine.Mar 08 10:18
Diablo-D3This isnt a Free Market.Mar 08 10:19
twitterthat's obviousMar 08 10:19
twitterit's more like an oligarchy and wages reflect thisMar 08 10:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Nebraska law forces woman to have baby that doctors wanted her to abort over defects, child dies 15 minutes after birth http://ur1.ca/3fbsgMar 08 10:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: U.S. targeted EU on GM foods | CBC http://is.gd/EYUZu9 !wlMar 08 10:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxfoundation: Original: Firefox 4.0 Approaches: What's in Store for Linux Users? http://bit.ly/f4RPAh #linux #mozilla #firefoxMar 08 10:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] my politician context was someone who answers a question with a non-answer, the end path is mass voter apathyMar 08 10:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] every politician who does it is part of the problemMar 08 10:21
twitterRMS notices something, "Violent crime and robbery in Oregon have been decreasing for years and are now the lowest since 1966. But most people in Oregon have been led by the media to think it is getting worse (except in their own home town).  This study was about Oregon, but the phenomenon is probably not limited to Oregon. And the erroneous fear boosts right-wing politics." http://stallman.org/archives/2011-jan-apr.html#07 March 2011 (PercMar 08 10:22
twitterThis was very true in Tacoma, Washington. Mar 08 10:22
twitterPeople were afraid to go out after dark especially around public parks.Mar 08 10:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] take a look at select committee hearings to see this in full effect, hour after hour of questions, and not a single answerMar 08 10:23
twitterOne day I looked up actual crime statistics and just about fell out of my chair.  Mar 08 10:23
twitterThe 250,000 people who live there manage to murder between 10 and 20 people a year, something that has actually declined per person.Mar 08 10:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Amtrak police chief bars #TSA from some security operations http://ur1.ca/3fbtiMar 08 10:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Reuters runs paid for advertisement for the Gates Foundation to make Bill Gates look good http://ur1.ca/3fbtqMar 08 10:25
twitterBy way of comparison, my hometown of New Orleans kills one or two people per day, something that has steadily increased for it's 500,000 or so people.Mar 08 10:25
Diablo-D3hehMar 08 10:25
twitterPeople have called Tacoma a "gritty" and "working class" town.  It looked like an egalitarian paradise to me.Mar 08 10:26
twitterPeople working in shipping made about as much or more than I did.  Public education worked as did public transport, the municipal power company and public network. Mar 08 10:28
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twitterThe economic downturn had hurt the place but they had a long, long way to go before they hit southern standards or education, crime and income disparity.Mar 08 10:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Ladyboy Gaga goes Gaga over ownership of baby noises http://tighturl.com/2zpiMar 08 10:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Labour still not worked the #BBC out, they support the current govt propaganda line, regardless of party in power http://tighturl.com/2zpkMar 08 10:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Speedier, simpler and safer: Chrome’s basics get even better http://goo.gl/1RTxv !chromiumMar 08 10:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: #gThumb 2.13.1 Released With 'Find Duplicates' Extension, More: http://goo.gl/gDspK !PPA: http://goo.gl/hc1MMar 08 10:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Tuesday's security updates http://lwn.net/Articles/432075/rssMar 08 10:41
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twitterWhy US support of dictators and clampdowns on wikileaks are a disaster in the making http://stallman.org/archives/2011-jan-apr.html#07 March 2011 (Downtrodden Pressure)Mar 08 10:42
twitter"The pressure of the downtrodden in Muslim countries seeks an exit, and if denied others, it will support Islamic extremism."Mar 08 10:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Love how people in the comments to that article are accusing Gnome of breaking KDE. The KDE people did that quite well alone IMHO. LOLMar 08 10:43
twitterInjustice breeds more of the same.Mar 08 10:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Announcing the release of Fedora 15 Alpha http://lwn.net/Articles/432108/rssMar 08 10:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fedora/@fedora] Fedora 15 "Lovelock" Alpha release is here! Catch a glimpse of the future: http://ur1.ca/3fbwn Full announcement here: http://ur1.ca/3fbwxMar 08 10:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] IBM Centennial Film: 100 X 100 - A century of achievements that have changed the world http://is.gd/0Bgrpg #ibm #software #hardwareMar 08 10:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] According to my records, I've worked on a document for 7 hrs today. And I've lost half morning in court. Busy day...Mar 08 10:55
DaemonFC== New in Mesa - 03/08/2011 ==Both r300g and r600g are now the default drivers.Mar 08 10:57
DaemonFCfrom Xorg Edgers :)Mar 08 10:57
DaemonFCone less thing in the "Pimp your xorg.conf" list for Radeon usersMar 08 10:58
DaemonFCthe classic R600c driver is in really bad shape, this move to R600g has been a long time comingMar 08 10:58
DaemonFCthe first thing a user would notice on Evergreen going from c to g is about half again the performance, less bugs, and a whole lot more OpenGL 2/3 extensions Mar 08 10:59
*DaemonFC has been wondering why Ubuntu insisted on defaulting to a driver that hasn't seen any meaningful work in the last >yearMar 08 11:00
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DaemonFCapparently eadeonhd is still on life supportMar 08 11:02
DaemonFCthe OpenSuse guys are patching it up just enough to continue supporting the OpenSuse versions that used itMar 08 11:02
DaemonFC*radeonhdMar 08 11:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Our team in #RedHat getting adafruit love ♻ @adafruit: The Open Source Way http://bit.ly/ibT2NGMar 08 11:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Libya: Gadaffi orders mercenaries to execute Army soldiers who refused to fire on civilians http://ur1.ca/3fc07Mar 08 11:03
GoForbes28http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/jwalke/a_concrete_example_how_the_rei.htmlMar 08 11:03
GoForbes28So that's how they;ll control overpopulationMar 08 11:04
DaemonFCI suppose it would be safe-ish to use Kubuntu 11.04 at this pointMar 08 11:04
DaemonFCthe free driver no longer sucks all that bad (from xorg-edgers) and the new fglrx will be out within a few daysMar 08 11:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] American prison labor used to build Patriot missiles for #UAE arms deal http://ur1.ca/3fc0dMar 08 11:05
DaemonFCKubuntu alphas and betas are always more stable than UbuntuMar 08 11:05
GoForbes28Xubuntu too?Mar 08 11:05
DaemonFCUbuntu is tracking development releases of GNOME while Kubuntu usually gets a stable KDE release at that stageMar 08 11:05
DaemonFCXubuntu too, yeahMar 08 11:05
DaemonFCusualllyMar 08 11:05
GoForbes28Xfce 4.8 yet?Mar 08 11:06
DaemonFCif you're just testing something out that doesn't depend on GNOME, use the Kubuntu alphaMar 08 11:06
DaemonFCit's more likely to workMar 08 11:06
DaemonFCyeah, they have 4.8 in XubuntuMar 08 11:07
GoForbes28On another topic, between http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/jwalke/a_concrete_example_how_the_rei.html and all the other insane events in the U.S., I believe it may be effective to use a Stephen King idea and encase the U.S. in a dome until they've worked our their problemsMar 08 11:07
GoForbes28DaemonFC: good, 4.8 looks to be a big improvementMar 08 11:07
DaemonFCRed Hat did a good job in their software selections for RHEL 6Mar 08 11:08
GoForbes28And to those here in the U.S, good luckMar 08 11:08
DaemonFCI have yet to have anything crashMar 08 11:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: Google Mobile search adds Instant Previews on !Android 2.2 http://goo.gl/A18wrMar 08 11:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] A PaaS IDE? VMWare buys WaveMaker (Red Monk): http://bit.ly/fSM8CRMar 08 11:08
GoForbes28Have you tried Debian to test stability?Mar 08 11:08
DaemonFCyeah, I didn't like it that much thoughMar 08 11:09
DaemonFCbuilding a custom kernel so your audio won't pop and skip and jitter is a little extremeMar 08 11:09
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 11:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: #Honeycomb browser isn’t up to par on #HTML5 http://goo.gl/MB06s !androidMar 08 11:10
DaemonFCRHEL's KConfig seems to be a lot more well-roundedMar 08 11:10
DaemonFCthey defer to lower latency in cases where the throughput would increase latency a lot more than increasing throughputMar 08 11:10
DaemonFCso it's useful as a desktop kernelMar 08 11:10
DaemonFCDebian's KConfig is only really going to work if you don't mind audio distortions or you're going to use it as a serverMar 08 11:11
GoForbes28What's that alternative Debian kernel that's talked about?Mar 08 11:11
DaemonFCthey have several that I noticed, but none sounded appropriate for meMar 08 11:12
DaemonFCthe rest of the Debian system seems good, but their kernel configuration is not targeted for desktop/mutimedia useMar 08 11:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] However this blokaddikt fella is, he build himself a bloody fucking awesome home!!Mar 08 11:13
DaemonFCneither is RHEL's really, but I haven't had problems out of itMar 08 11:13
DaemonFCseveral long term Linux distributions have settled on Linux 2.6.32, so it's quite stable at this pointMar 08 11:14
DaemonFCthat's a plus in settling on one of those distributionsMar 08 11:14
DaemonFCbut RHEL and Ubuntu Lucid are the only ones getting periodic driver backportsMar 08 11:15
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DaemonFCeventually the Debian Squeeze CD will be too old to even boot on new hardwareMar 08 11:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Female Web Developers vs. Male Web Developers (Graphic.is): http://bit.ly/gAFeunMar 08 11:16
DaemonFCDebian is probably the wrong thing to standardize on if you plan on getting new hardware configurations within its life cycleMar 08 11:17
DaemonFCyou can look at RHEL release notes and see that they're porting new drivers back into their kernels regularlyMar 08 11:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh compared to xembed systray icons? how so?Mar 08 11:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I hereby announce that from now on I'll be boycotting EVERYONE to become a hermit, even ISPs have stock portfolios #disturbing #sarcasmMar 08 11:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the world is too #disturbing to live in, you can't do ANYTHING without some connection to something dodgy, best avoid the whole planetMar 08 11:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] UN needs to establish a no-fly zone over #Libya http://ur1.ca/3fc3hMar 08 11:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] damn, someone who contributes to a project has a job working for a company who exploiits slave wages, quick BOYCOTT THEM!Mar 08 11:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Microsoft admits open source under any copyleft license is banned on Windows Phone, says it will partially fix it: http://wmk.me/hVQ4EUMar 08 11:21
MinceRDaemonFC: what sound hw is that on?Mar 08 11:22
DaemonFCRealtek 7.1 HDAMar 08 11:22
DaemonFCit's integrated :)Mar 08 11:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] eeGods, #UK govt prop up a lot of regimes, BOYCOTT THEM, I refuse to co-operate with the UK tax system for political reasonsMar 08 11:23
GoForbes28is it proprietary?Mar 08 11:24
DaemonFCno, it works with a free driver and no firmware blobMar 08 11:24
DaemonFCif you use proprietary video drivers on Linux, you're being pragmatic, if you use proprietary audio drivers, you're nuts, if you try using proprietary TV tuner card drivers, you're flipping crazy and don't bitch when that far east no name chipset vendor abandons you in 6 monthsMar 08 11:26
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 11:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @fabsh Working fine here.Mar 08 11:26
DaemonFCI had an old cheapo tv tuner left over from a few years ago and noticed that the only attempted Linux support they ever gave it was a broken driver with a buggy kernel glue module that was only meant to work with Ubuntu 8.04Mar 08 11:27
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 11:27
DaemonFCthese outfits have all decided to follow the Nvidia GPL violation way and do the blob + glue approachMar 08 11:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @cryojenx: Mom's PC infested with #malware, I have GOT to get her switched to !Linux.Mar 08 11:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] all legit corps in the UK collaborate with the UK govt, should be boycotted as well, black & white world view is refreshing if #disturbingMar 08 11:28
DaemonFCUbuntu signs off on this because they're not worried about GPL violations and bad quality drivers that panic the kernelMar 08 11:28
DaemonFCthat's why you see this stack of blobs in Ubuntu that aren't supported even by other distros that don't care about free vs non-freeMar 08 11:29
DaemonFCthey're so broken that nobody else will touch them free or notMar 08 11:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Chavela Vargas - En el último trago http://is.gd/SJmmXAMar 08 11:30
DaemonFC"Cool, it makes my widget work when it's not molesting shared memory or overwriting /etc/shadow!"Mar 08 11:30
DaemonFC"I love Ubuntu!"Mar 08 11:30
DaemonFCjono rocks!Mar 08 11:30
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 11:30
jonoDaemonFC, I agreeMar 08 11:31
jonololMar 08 11:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @bob_sutor: Red Hat: Commitment to Open http://bit.ly/gABThC #linux #redhatMar 08 11:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxfoundation: Have an idea for a Linux Foundation #GSOC project? We want to know! http://linx.ly/eim3HwMar 08 11:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Microsoft admits open source under any copyleft license is banned on Windows Phone, says it will partially fix it: http://wmk.me/hVQ4EUMar 08 11:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Syncing page content with HTML5 video (a different kind of webinar) http://mzl.la/gAxBPQMar 08 11:31
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DaemonFCjono and the Ubuntu rubbernecking bill of goods distro from the year 3-effing-000Mar 08 11:32
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 11:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Discovering, authenticating, analyzing digital data - standard of admissibility in legal settings - interesting - http://is.gd/buVSm8Mar 08 11:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxaria: [Repost] How to realize a webcam server on !Linux with motion #floss #gnu http://ur1.ca/3fc22Mar 08 11:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @idolrevolver: It's awesome when, after tunnelling monotonously for ages, you break through into a vast cave system. #minecraftMar 08 11:33
DaemonFCif your goal is to release every 6 months and blindly package everything for your Debian testing/sid/experimental blend then I'm surprised that it works at allMar 08 11:33
DaemonFCthey test out and hand pick enough of the packages that the core system usually worksMar 08 11:34
DaemonFCbut once you start pulling in packages, it could be a coin toss if anyone has actually used them or if they simply didn't fail to build :)Mar 08 11:34
DaemonFCjono should just throw in ABRT and forget and leave it pointed to bugzilla.redhat.comMar 08 11:35
DaemonFCunintentional of course :)Mar 08 11:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh that statement is so full of fail it's hard to know where to begin.Mar 08 11:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @novitro: Nou #peblog: Cateva notiuni despre autentificarea cu doi factori http://bit.ly/dOLy0xMar 08 11:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] You know, I really love hotdogs, but I don't want them on my desktop to be honest...Mar 08 11:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Just arrived in time for !barca vs teh gooners :-)Mar 08 11:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh first off, status notifiers (or appindicators) do not enforce any uniformity. the visualization chooses how to represent things.Mar 08 11:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh second, i do expect my systray icon to appear in whatever desktop shell i'm using. so, yes, this tech does need to be broadly used.Mar 08 11:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh as for why the change: because the old icons don't provide ANY metadata nor can they be freely painted by the visualizationMar 08 11:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh that means they can't be merged into a taskbar, they can't be scaled, they can't be viewed in multiple places, they can't a11y'd wellMar 08 11:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh they can't be intelligently hidden/shown or grouped by function due to lack of metadata .. shall i go on?Mar 08 11:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh this has nothing to do with notifications.Mar 08 11:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh i'm not a fan of canonical's notifications either, and blogged why that is some time ago. but this about the systray icon replacementMar 08 11:40
DaemonFCsuccess measured by source lines changedMar 08 11:40
DaemonFCI think that must be Unity's policyMar 08 11:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh yes, but many/most people use applications written by many different projects and want to use them in their desktop shell of choice.Mar 08 11:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh one may also magically want to use a dock replacement and expect that to work, too.Mar 08 11:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh what part of "this about systray icons, not notifications" is hard for you to understand?Mar 08 11:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh and so because the a11y is better in one place, we should say "fuck it" to the systray icons? that makes no sense.Mar 08 11:43
GoForbes28so DaemonFC, what would be your choice of GNU/Linux distribution?Mar 08 11:45
DaemonFCseveral good onesMar 08 11:46
DaemonFCI'm gravitating towards Fedora and EL 6Mar 08 11:46
DaemonFCdepending on my systemMar 08 11:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Why Are You Really Posting All Those Facebook Photos? (Jezebel): http://bit.ly/eycBgbMar 08 11:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is fabsh with 163 dents!Mar 08 11:46
GoForbes28why fedora?Mar 08 11:47
DaemonFCthey have a higher degree of quality control than UbuntuMar 08 11:47
DaemonFCthey're more concerned with not letting nonfree and patented things get inMar 08 11:47
DaemonFCespecially in their default repos and desktopMar 08 11:47
GoForbes28Excepted for the blobbed kernels :(Mar 08 11:48
DaemonFCthey usually get newer technologies before Ubuntu doesMar 08 11:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh and what you're saying is dead wrong. :)Mar 08 11:48
DaemonFCtheir kernel isn't blobbedMar 08 11:48
GoForbes28yeah it isMar 08 11:48
DaemonFCthe blobs are all modules in external RPM packagesMar 08 11:48
GoForbes28They went the Debian route?Mar 08 11:48
DaemonFCDebian went the Fedora route :)Mar 08 11:49
DaemonFCexcept Fedora has some of those RPMs installed Mar 08 11:49
DaemonFCeasy to get rid of Mar 08 11:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Fedora 15 Alpha has been released: http://goo.gl/4U8ylMar 08 11:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: James Bond in Drag For International Women’s Day - http://bit.ly/dNal6t nicely done... #iwdMar 08 11:50
GoForbes28So Fedora uses a "libre" kernel?Mar 08 11:50
DaemonFCthe kernel itself isMar 08 11:50
twitternon free software is not easy to get rid of - you don't know what it has done - that's why it should not be used by default. Mar 08 11:50
DaemonFCthe firmware modules are externalMar 08 11:50
DaemonFCI don't use any more of it than I have toMar 08 11:51
twitteryou never have toMar 08 11:51
DaemonFCI take out firmware that isn't used by any of my devicesMar 08 11:51
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: they always didMar 08 11:51
Diablo-D3they also employ some of the most productive kernel devsMar 08 11:51
twitterI take out devices that require firmwareMar 08 11:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh the old system is an opaque blob in the form of an embedded window. the new one is 100% data: it can be presented as plain text, e.g.Mar 08 11:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] mmm fried egg roll, with sesame seeds too #tastyMar 08 11:51
DaemonFCin RHEL 6, you don't even have kernel blogs if you don't get them from ELrepoMar 08 11:51
DaemonFC*blobsMar 08 11:52
Diablo-D3firmware itself isnt a bad thing.Mar 08 11:52
Diablo-D3its when companies abuse that privledgeMar 08 11:52
twitterblobs are always a bad thingMar 08 11:52
Diablo-D3wifi chips are the worstMar 08 11:52
twitterthat you would need a blob to run hardware is always an abuseMar 08 11:52
DaemonFCBroadcom decided to open source their firmware after Fedora started reverse engineering itMar 08 11:52
DaemonFClolMar 08 11:52
Diablo-D3otoh you have radeons which the firmwares are deeply documented and extremely thinMar 08 11:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@glynmoody: Jolicloud Becomes JoliOS, Announces Cross-Platform Apps http://rww.to/gsEwHA interesting stuff, but still not really convincedMar 08 11:53
twitterif it's free software, it's not a blobMar 08 11:53
Diablo-D3its not freeMar 08 11:54
Diablo-D3but its also not really worth arguing aboutMar 08 11:54
Diablo-D3firmware issues almost entirely boil down to wifi cardsMar 08 11:54
twitterwhat do they use them for exactly?  Mar 08 11:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: InMobi Adds More Evidence That #Android Is #Winning (With 37 % Mobile #Ad Share) - http://tcrn.ch/dF9VBx as if we needed anyMar 08 11:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @ruiseabra: RT @schestowitz Forbes Estimates M$ Down to 75% Share of PCs http://ur1.ca/3eu8f #gnu #linux #mac #apple #windowsMar 08 11:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @wikileaks: #wikileaks: #Assange's rage against the state | NZ Herald http://is.gd/Q4iiKG http://bit.ly/hg82ZpMar 08 11:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @wikileaks: #wikileaks: Prisoners Help Build Patriot Missiles | Wired http://is.gd/fQtIFL http://bit.ly/eStLbbMar 08 11:55
GoForbes28according to amd developers, the ati firmware has something to do with DRMMar 08 11:55
Diablo-D3basically, the entire chip is really just firmwareMar 08 11:55
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: nopeMar 08 11:55
GoForbes28and I mean the restrictions kindMar 08 11:55
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: most of its bootingMar 08 11:55
Diablo-D3the rest is just shit like the atombios layerMar 08 11:55
twitterbooting what?Mar 08 11:55
Diablo-D3twitter: the video card.Mar 08 11:55
GoForbes28According to an AMD developer, "opening" the firmware would make their DRM implementation easier to circumventMar 08 11:56
twitterso what does it do for the video card that has to be done in a non free way?Mar 08 11:56
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: easier, yes. DRM is also done via the atombios layer.Mar 08 11:56
GoForbes28Doesn't apply to me, since I bought an Intel GMA HDMar 08 11:56
Diablo-D3twitter: its upgradable.Mar 08 11:56
Diablo-D3twitter: drivers have shipped new versions of it to fix bugs.Mar 08 11:56
Diablo-D3this is stuff you actually want to be firmware.Mar 08 11:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @mvalente: Portuguese artist Jorge Martinez one man show, #EPIC fireworks at 45s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AObrbJsKkcMar 08 11:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @webmink: Microsoft admits open source under any copyleft license is banned on WP7, says it will partially fix it: http://wmk.me/hVQ4EUMar 08 11:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: Global piracy claims: report. 'Exceptionally detailed and insightful' http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49850Mar 08 11:56
twitterWindows is upgradable too, you just pave it with Debian.Mar 08 11:56
GoForbes28DaemonFC: BTW, since you like Fedora, BLAG's RC is outMar 08 11:57
GoForbes28http://www.blagblagblag.org/Mar 08 11:57
Diablo-D3but with wifiMar 08 11:57
Diablo-D3its much much worseMar 08 11:57
Diablo-D3the wifi chip doesnt do anythingMar 08 11:57
Diablo-D3theres no actual logic anywhere in itMar 08 11:57
Diablo-D3the ENTIRE engine is in the blobMar 08 11:57
twitterso, it's like winmodems all over again?Mar 08 11:57
DaemonFCblagblaglblablagblagblaglblablagMar 08 11:57
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 11:57
twitterbasically done to screw free software.Mar 08 11:57
Diablo-D3which if the documentation were ever to leak out, you'd have a fully reprogrammable digital radio that works on wifi frequencies (and possibly farther outside than that)Mar 08 11:57
Diablo-D3twitter: nopeMar 08 11:57
Diablo-D3its half done to screw oemsMar 08 11:57
twitterwonderfulMar 08 11:58
Diablo-D3its half to screw customersMar 08 11:58
Diablo-D3basicallyMar 08 11:58
Diablo-D3they've been selling the same G chip for yearsMar 08 11:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Happy #International #Women's Day! http://ur1.ca/3fc9aMar 08 11:58
Diablo-D3when N came out, many G chips were just had their PCI IDs changedMar 08 11:58
Diablo-D3and they were fed a firmware that does N perfectlyMar 08 11:58
DaemonFCOne thing I like about EL is that AMD supports it so Catalyst always has a module that's known to workMar 08 11:58
Diablo-D3like, ever wonder how pre-final spec N devices can be upgraded to N final?Mar 08 11:58
Diablo-D3its because _the entire chip_ is in that firmware blob.Mar 08 11:59
Diablo-D3if anyone figures out how to actually upgrade existing G shit to N on chips that can do it, all hell will break looseMar 08 11:59
twitterso the firmware also serves as cripple ware?Mar 08 11:59
Diablo-D3twitter: wellMar 08 11:59
Diablo-D3noMar 08 11:59
Diablo-D3cripple ware implies they sell two versions at the same timeMar 08 11:59
Diablo-D3they dontMar 08 11:59
Diablo-D3once N came out, G orders were ceased Mar 08 12:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Safe Creative enables creators to donate a portion of their sales to Creative Commons: http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/26753Mar 08 12:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG: !Chromium browser gets new a logo. Ish. http://goo.gl/cFYu2Mar 08 12:00
twitterfabMar 08 12:00
Diablo-D3they just kept fabbing the same _chip_Mar 08 12:00
Diablo-D3just with a new firmware blob in the driverMar 08 12:00
DaemonFCthere's no Mono crap in the EL distrosMar 08 12:00
twitterfabulous!Mar 08 12:00
Diablo-D3now, in their defense... and there is oneMar 08 12:00
Diablo-D3international laws are so fucked with radio devices that theres tons of shit that they MUST doMar 08 12:00
Diablo-D3different frequencies, different power outputs, other random shit that has no place in a technical deviceMar 08 12:01
DaemonFCI looked around all the community RPM sites tooMar 08 12:01
twitterpeople with older cards can buy a new card to get the new blob but can't use the new blob with older cards.  so efficient!Mar 08 12:01
DaemonFCthere's no way to install Mono in RHEL without building itMar 08 12:01
Diablo-D3its DRM locked down by the lawMar 08 12:01
Diablo-D3twitter: basicallyMar 08 12:01
twitterthat is typical non free software forced hardware churnMar 08 12:02
GoForbes28DaemonFC: Nice.  Back to Fedora though, how do I prevent proprietary firmware from installing?Mar 08 12:02
Diablo-D3twitter: yes.Mar 08 12:02
Diablo-D3twitter: now, its actually _not_ an issue.Mar 08 12:02
Diablo-D3twitter: the issue is they wont give the blobs outMar 08 12:02
DaemonFCnot sure you canMar 08 12:02
Diablo-D3and sometimes threaten to sue Linux distros for distributing themMar 08 12:02
Diablo-D3guess what happens when they do thatMar 08 12:02
DaemonFCyou can take it out after the fact through PackagekitMar 08 12:02
Diablo-D3people stop buying themMar 08 12:02
twitterI try not to buy them.Mar 08 12:03
DaemonFCsearch firmware and start seeing what you can get rid ofMar 08 12:03
Diablo-D3now, not all companies are utter dicksMar 08 12:03
Diablo-D3Intel wifi chips work out of the box in linuxMar 08 12:03
twitterBroadcom has a particularly well deserved bad name.Mar 08 12:03
GoForbes28Diablo-D3 & Twitter: Damn, Bill C-32 in Canada would defintely open up a can of worms greater than I originally thoughtMar 08 12:03
Diablo-D3twitter: broadcom is fucked because their chips suckMar 08 12:03
Diablo-D3twitter: everything else is secondaryMar 08 12:03
twitterIntel graphics supposedly suck but software freedom makes them wonderful to me.  Mar 08 12:04
twitterfreedom is primaryMar 08 12:04
Diablo-D3twitter: I dont care if tommorow broadcom shit out free 100% open source for every single chipMar 08 12:04
Diablo-D3I wont buy broadcomMar 08 12:04
Diablo-D3twitter: btw, noMar 08 12:04
Diablo-D3Intel is trying to buy customersMar 08 12:04
Diablo-D3and their shit wont work on meMar 08 12:04
twitterworks for meMar 08 12:04
Diablo-D3then you're an idiotMar 08 12:05
GoForbes28DaemonFC: I assume they make the licences clear?Mar 08 12:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] @fabsh If McD's #coffee is the best on the road there, then you've just shattered my image of #Deutschland. heheMar 08 12:05
Diablo-D3Intel is trying to buy themselves a good name in the free software communityMar 08 12:05
DaemonFCyesMar 08 12:05
twitterI'd buy their graphics chipsets as external cards for other computers if I couldMar 08 12:05
DaemonFCeverything in Fedora specifies the licenseMar 08 12:05
twitterI like things that work.Mar 08 12:05
Diablo-D3twitter: why, with their shitty linux support?Mar 08 12:05
GoForbes28Diablo-D3: Their support is fineMar 08 12:05
MinceR"shitty" as in it works, unlike all the others?Mar 08 12:05
Diablo-D3Ask any Mesa/Gallium/X devMar 08 12:05
Diablo-D3their code sucksMar 08 12:05
Diablo-D3the only time an intel card works is when they throw the intel code out and do it themselvesMar 08 12:06
GoForbes28Diablo-D3: And we aren't all sheep, we aren't dumping money for Sandy Bridge any time soonMar 08 12:06
Diablo-D3nothing Intel has ever submitted to anyone has ever worked right.Mar 08 12:06
MinceRask them if KMS works with the official drivers for the other manufacturers :>Mar 08 12:06
Diablo-D3MinceR: it doesnt.Mar 08 12:06
twitterit might suck, but it's free.  non free code from other makers may suck even more.Mar 08 12:06
DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1104_radeon&num=2Mar 08 12:06
Diablo-D3not on any intel's own driver.Mar 08 12:06
MinceRDiablo-D3: then i must be imagining thingsMar 08 12:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @lamm Where do you live?Mar 08 12:06
Diablo-D3it only works on intel drivers X wrote themselves.Mar 08 12:06
DaemonFCThe open source Radeon driver performance has doubled in the last 6 monthsMar 08 12:06
Diablo-D3intel is trying to take credit on someone else's workMar 08 12:06
DaemonFCstill way lower than CatalystMar 08 12:07
Diablo-D3otoh, AMD has spent millions on their open source effortMar 08 12:07
Diablo-D3programming manuals, paying mesa/gallium/X devs, etcMar 08 12:07
Diablo-D3Intel has done none of this.Mar 08 12:07
Diablo-D3Intel can go fuck themselvesMar 08 12:08
MinceRah, the old "it cost a lot so it must be good" argumentMar 08 12:08
DaemonFCthey spent millions to acheve half the performance of FGLRX?Mar 08 12:08
MinceRi've even heard that about m$ visual javaMar 08 12:08
Diablo-D3MinceR: no, the "doing the right thing" argumentMar 08 12:08
Diablo-D3where the fuck is Intel's programming manuals? whos salaries are they paying?Mar 08 12:08
DaemonFCI concede that they did do some things right in radeon that have been fucked for years in FGLRXMar 08 12:08
DaemonFCbut it is SLOWMar 08 12:08
Diablo-D3All they do is hand out broken code that no one wants and try to get the PR for itMar 08 12:08
MinceRwhere the fuck are amd's working, well performing free software GPU drivers?Mar 08 12:08
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Diablo-D3MinceR: where are intel's?Mar 08 12:09
sebsebsebHiMar 08 12:09
MinceRright in the kernel treeMar 08 12:09
Diablo-D3MinceR: nope.Mar 08 12:09
MinceRhay sebsebseb Mar 08 12:09
DaemonFCwhere are Intels GPUs?Mar 08 12:09
twitteron my laptopsMar 08 12:09
Diablo-D3MinceR: there are no drivers in the kernel.Mar 08 12:09
sebsebsebMinceR: hayMar 08 12:09
MinceRDaemonFC: on mainboards and in cpusMar 08 12:09
DaemonFCperhaps I can go buy oneMar 08 12:09
GoForbes28sebsebseb: HIMar 08 12:09
DaemonFCand plug it into my motherboardMar 08 12:09
Diablo-D3MinceR: KMS and DRM are in the kernel, thats just _part_ of the driver.Mar 08 12:09
sebsebsebwho's GoForbes28 ?Mar 08 12:09
DaemonFCdo they have hardware T&L yet or are they still in 2002?Mar 08 12:09
DaemonFC:DMar 08 12:09
Diablo-D3MinceR: how do you do GLSL shaders without Gallium's GLSL shader being complete?Mar 08 12:09
Diablo-D3MinceR: the radeon driver is the most feature complete driver in mesa/gallium/X atm.Mar 08 12:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] I think saying of the day goes something like this "you can only kick a dog so much before it turns around and bites you"Mar 08 12:10
MinceRi'll tell you wen i start caringMar 08 12:10
DaemonFCtheir GLSL is broken and missing lots of featuresMar 08 12:10
MinceRs/we/whe/Mar 08 12:10
DaemonFCbut it beats the classic Mesa driversMar 08 12:10
GoForbes28sebsebseb: I'm the guy who showed up and up and decided to edit and contribute to some of Roy's articles.Mar 08 12:10
Diablo-D3then dont ask the question if you dont like the answer.Mar 08 12:10
Diablo-D3radeon is more supported by foss than anything else.Mar 08 12:10
Diablo-D3gallium exists because of AMD's efforts.Mar 08 12:10
MinceRi'm not the one asking the question hereMar 08 12:10
Diablo-D3[03:08:38] <MinceR> where the fuck are amd's working, well performing free software GPU drivers?Mar 08 12:11
sebsebsebGoForbes28: oh?Mar 08 12:11
Diablo-D3you asked. they're front row and center on Linux.Mar 08 12:11
sebsebsebGoForbes28: doesn't mean much to me, I don't tend to bother reading his blog enteriesMar 08 12:11
MinceRthat's not what i hear from everyone elseMar 08 12:11
Diablo-D3MinceR: everyone else is a fucking nvidia fanMar 08 12:11
DaemonFCMinceR: They're good enough for a workstationMar 08 12:11
MinceRrightMar 08 12:11
Diablo-D3and if I hear one more fucking asshole say nvidia has better linux support, Im going to castrate themMar 08 12:11
DaemonFCthat's all the better they'll get tooMar 08 12:11
DaemonFC(RHEL)Mar 08 12:11
MinceRDiablo-D3: everyone else is driving on the wrong side of the road!Mar 08 12:11
Diablo-D3MinceR: so you support closed source pro-Windows companies now?Mar 08 12:12
MinceRi don'tMar 08 12:12
Diablo-D3then why back them upMar 08 12:12
MinceRi'm not backing them up, i'm backing the facts upMar 08 12:12
Diablo-D3the only people saying radeon's foss drivers suck are people who dont care about freedomMar 08 12:12
DaemonFCMinceR: I doubt Red Hat really has a fire lit under their ass to get free video driversMar 08 12:12
DaemonFCNvidia and AMD already officially support RHELMar 08 12:12
Diablo-D3the radeon driver is the most feature complete X/gallium driver.Mar 08 12:12
GoForbes28sebsebseb: I wasn't trying to pontificate, I just told you the truthMar 08 12:12
Diablo-D3not intel.Mar 08 12:12
MinceRafaik amd's free drivers underperform their winblows driversMar 08 12:12
GoForbes28sebsebseb: That is literally my story hereMar 08 12:12
Diablo-D3MinceR: their closed source ones? not for me, I get higher FPS vs windows.Mar 08 12:13
sebsebsebGoForbes28: I am not following you 100%Mar 08 12:13
DaemonFCMinceR: Their Windows driver code and FGLRX driver code is largely the same thingMar 08 12:13
Diablo-D3theres even a case where I get higher FPS _in wine_ over native windowsMar 08 12:13
DaemonFCsame with NvidiaMar 08 12:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] @fabsh Born & raised in Puerto Rico, but I've lived in Tennessee, USA for 11+ years; my last duty station in the army, so I stayed here.Mar 08 12:13
MinceRDiablo-D3: maybe i'm working with outdated infoMar 08 12:13
Diablo-D3MinceR: you are. you're about a year nehind.Mar 08 12:13
Diablo-D3_all_ drivers sucked a year agoMar 08 12:13
GoForbes28sebsebseb: I'm not sure what you mean.Mar 08 12:13
Diablo-D3it was fglrx or nvidia and that was your two choicesMar 08 12:13
DaemonFCMinceR: Think huge blob with a little bit of glue to make it work on Windows and OS X and LinuxMar 08 12:14
DaemonFC(FGLRX)Mar 08 12:14
MinceRDaemonFC: wasn't sure how the remaining parts affect performanceMar 08 12:14
Diablo-D3gallium's glsl driver will be finished sometime this year, and mesa is also going to claim GL3 compatibility soonMar 08 12:14
DaemonFCthe FGLRX driver benefits from improvements to the Windows and OS X driverMar 08 12:14
MinceRespecially considering that the glue on winblows tends to be nonfree as wellMar 08 12:14
Diablo-D3something two years ago was thought impossible.Mar 08 12:14
DaemonFCby virtue of being the same codeMar 08 12:14
MinceRso almost nobody knows what's in thereMar 08 12:14
GoForbes28sebsebseb: I just meant I wasn't trying to flaut that I editted some of Roy's articlesMar 08 12:15
Diablo-D3MinceR: and btw, I dont know what DaemonFC said, but yes, if Mesa/Gallium doesnt expose an important extension thats required for performance, performance suffers.Mar 08 12:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Check out @superhumanoids new EP "Parasite Paradise" under CC BY-NC: http://t.co/gQUsqX1 (w/former CC staff @cameronparkins!)Mar 08 12:15
DaemonFCMinceR: FGLRX and Catalyst for Windows lately are on par with each otherMar 08 12:15
Diablo-D3MinceR: the biggest issue was the native shader compiler which is required by all modern GPUs no matter the manufMar 08 12:15
DaemonFCit's one of those +/- 5% dealsMar 08 12:15
Diablo-D3MinceR: ie, anything with a "unified shader"Mar 08 12:15
MinceRDiablo-D3: by "remaining parts" i meant the parts of the driver that isn't common between winblows and linuxMar 08 12:15
MinceRs/isn/aren/Mar 08 12:15
Diablo-D3there are no remaining parts thenMar 08 12:15
Diablo-D3everything is a software program running on a GPU.Mar 08 12:16
Diablo-D3_everything_Mar 08 12:16
MinceRthere's still code you need to get the OS to load that stuff into the GPUMar 08 12:16
MinceRand code that talks to the GPUMar 08 12:16
Diablo-D3yup, and its nearly identicalMar 08 12:16
DaemonFCthe lack of KMS support is really the only glaring technical limitation of FGLRX at this pointMar 08 12:16
DaemonFCaside from a few bugs here and there Mar 08 12:16
Diablo-D3theres exactly one way to do this correctlyMar 08 12:17
twitterrms points to this http://www.counterpunch.org/sommers02282011.htmlMar 08 12:17
Diablo-D3the biggest change in the X/Mesa/Gallium stack is to actually do it correctlyMar 08 12:17
Diablo-D3infact, Gallium is so well written that Microsoft mostly copied it for their 7/DX11 driver stack.Mar 08 12:17
twitterif you have software freedom, you can fix things.  if you don't you can'tMar 08 12:18
Diablo-D3Exactly, and AMD clearly has come out in support of software freedomMar 08 12:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @lamm That isn't fair. You probably have drive-in coffee shops. The US is *the* drive-in nation...Mar 08 12:18
Diablo-D3in their words, "we dont write software, we're not a software company, we'll have the people who are experts at it write it for Linux"Mar 08 12:18
Diablo-D3and I salute themMar 08 12:18
DaemonFCMinceR: There's a few things I really wish I could use that the free drivers haveMar 08 12:19
DaemonFCbut I can't justify cutting my overall performance in half to get thoseMar 08 12:19
Diablo-D3The only alternative to AMD? Nvidia unofficially threatened to sue the the Novaeu developers early on.Mar 08 12:19
DaemonFCNvidia is generally hostile to free softwareMar 08 12:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Jorge Castro: !Unity Bitesize Progress Report for 8 March http://goo.gl/C3ByKMar 08 12:20
DaemonFCthe only reason the support Linux in any capacity is due to RHEL and SLEMar 08 12:20
GoForbes28Of course, Noveau also uses proprietary firmware, so that's outMar 08 12:20
MinceRDaemonFC: so the free driver is still half as fast as fglrx?Mar 08 12:20
DaemonFCeveryone else is a free beta testerMar 08 12:20
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: nvidia's is thin and ... well, badly documented.Mar 08 12:20
MinceRGoForbes28: i thought they couldn't do thatMar 08 12:20
Diablo-D3MinceR: not because fglrx is better code, the free driver is missing some things stillMar 08 12:20
GoForbes28Couldn't use proprietary firmware?  Well, they do for 3D accelerationMar 08 12:20
DaemonFCMinceR: Yes, Mesa 7.10 is twice as fast as 7.9 with r600gMar 08 12:21
Diablo-D3MinceR: if you tell the software that moronix benchmarks to use the same code paths on both radeon and fglrx, they're more similar in speedMar 08 12:21
GoForbes28Remove the blob, say bye-bye to 3d support in noveauMar 08 12:21
DaemonFC7.9 was therefore more like 25% of the speed of FGLRXMar 08 12:21
DaemonFCnot bad for a few months work I guessMar 08 12:21
Diablo-D3btw, novaeu has a very minimal impl of that firmware for 2D supportMar 08 12:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Writing, Delegating, Researching: Marketing !GNOME 3 http://goo.gl/vUD3BMar 08 12:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @cryojenx: We talk about our #Facebook addiction, but what about our #Google addiction?Mar 08 12:21
Diablo-D3nvidia wrote it for the nv driver before they stopped support of itMar 08 12:21
Diablo-D3also, btw, re radeon's atombiosMar 08 12:21
DaemonFCNvidia doesn't have a case to sue over NouveauMar 08 12:22
Diablo-D3AMD wants that whole part of the firmware to be able to be built freeMar 08 12:22
DaemonFCthere's no Nvidia source code in it except what was already in NVMar 08 12:22
DaemonFCI'm sure the lawyers told them that Mar 08 12:22
Diablo-D3atombios is what translates driver commands into the native internal radeon stackMar 08 12:22
Diablo-D3its basically the software for the command processor in the gpuMar 08 12:22
DaemonFCyes, but the registers are all documented tooMar 08 12:22
DaemonFCthere's no reason other than time consumption why radeon couldn't use that Mar 08 12:23
DaemonFClike radeonhd was doingMar 08 12:23
Diablo-D3like half the programming manual's hardware API chapters detail how to use the atombios interfaceMar 08 12:23
GoForbes28Funny that if this firmware is so well documented, why it couldn't be reverse engineeredMar 08 12:23
DaemonFCthe atombios is supposedly a superset each generation of hardwareMar 08 12:23
DaemonFCso the support you already have for the last batch of cards is still thereMar 08 12:23
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: read above where I said AMD wants it to be free software and provided by the driverMar 08 12:23
DaemonFCAtomBIOS is just a convenience for the programmerMar 08 12:24
Diablo-D3basically AMD wants X/Gallium to provide a more optimized version that does what they want instead of what AMD chose for their Windows driverMar 08 12:24
DaemonFCwhich I'm all forMar 08 12:24
DaemonFCI'd rather have useful drivers this year than 2 years from nowMar 08 12:24
GoForbes28AMD wants it to be, fine.Mar 08 12:24
Diablo-D3What AMD wants, AMD gets. And we're all the better for it.Mar 08 12:24
GoForbes28Why ISN'T it?Mar 08 12:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Oracle Mobilizes Inventory Management (CIO): http://bit.ly/e2SGylMar 08 12:25
Diablo-D3Not sureMar 08 12:25
DaemonFCwell half the speed of Catalyst is a lot better than nothingMar 08 12:25
DaemonFCwhich is what Evergreen users had 8 months agoMar 08 12:25
Diablo-D3probably because the driver isnt finished yet and its not a high priorityMar 08 12:25
Diablo-D3most likely AMD's impl is the most efficientMar 08 12:25
GoForbes28uh huhMar 08 12:25
DaemonFCif you want the best battery life, use radeon, not FGLRXMar 08 12:25
DaemonFCI think that's a givenMar 08 12:26
DaemonFC(and enable dynamic power management)Mar 08 12:26
GoForbes28brbMar 08 12:26
Diablo-D3its a really tiny blobMar 08 12:26
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twittera tiny prickMar 08 12:28
twitterwasn't rape, she hardly noticed Mar 08 12:29
twitterhttp://www.theage.com.au/environment/conservation/the-gulf-oil-spills-toxic-legacy-20110225-1b8mz.htmlMar 08 12:29
MinceRif she hardly notices, you're doing it wrongMar 08 12:29
MinceR;)Mar 08 12:29
twitterit's more a matter of consent, I thinkMar 08 12:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] OpenText acquires mobile development vendor WeComm (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/fq3NUYMar 08 12:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 'Bullied' #police to stage protests over pay cuts - http://bit.ly/idFsWg I have only one thing to say to this: "kettling"Mar 08 12:31
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sebsebsebhmm so Schestwotiz is away right, butMar 08 12:33
sebsebsebwho's running the bots then?Mar 08 12:33
twitterlol, kettling police to be kettled Mar 08 12:33
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AdmFubar_hi allMar 08 12:34
AdmFubar_are the rss feeds working ok?Mar 08 12:34
twitterPolice man's lament, "I smashed a communist with my night stick and did not care because I was not a communist ... "Mar 08 12:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @glynmoody: 'Bullied' #police to stage protests over pay cuts - http://bit.ly/idFsWg I have only one thing to say to this: "kettling"Mar 08 12:35
twitterno sure Fubar, I've seen a lot of little red x errors over feeds for the past couple of daysMar 08 12:35
AdmFubar_i stopped getting updated feeds yesterday..Mar 08 12:35
AdmFubar_kind odd that there is such a lull from here! :OMar 08 12:36
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twitterthere's nothing new since the Vaporware article that I can seeMar 08 12:36
AdmFubar_yeah that was the last item i got..Mar 08 12:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @jospoortvliet ♻ @micu: Why #Nokia Hasn’t Ditched #MeeGo is.gd/VbSz06 #Microsoft #Windows !linux !kde !gnomeMar 08 12:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Protesters securing secret documents throughout #Egypt as State Security tries to shred, burn, destroy evidence https://eff.org/r.3z4Mar 08 12:38
GoForbes28wow, that was a painful experienceMar 08 12:38
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GoForbes28Trying to reconnect to the IRC, that isMar 08 12:39
AdmFubar_well i'll keep looking for new feeds, laters allMar 08 12:39
GoForbes28see yaMar 08 12:39
GoForbes28so where were we?Mar 08 12:39
GoForbes28Ah yesMar 08 12:39
GoForbes28We were talking about blobsMar 08 12:39
GoForbes28or blagsMar 08 12:39
GoForbes28or blowholesMar 08 12:39
GoForbes28I can't rememberMar 08 12:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Learning to Love the (Shallow, Divisive, Unreliable) New Media (The Atlantic): http://bit.ly/h4u8ZYMar 08 12:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Democrats roll out #climate change big guns, Republicans remain immune - http://bit.ly/idXz12 breathtaking arrogance by non-scientistsMar 08 12:40
GoForbes28anywhoMar 08 12:40
GoForbes28As far as I can tell, the drivers for the GMA HD, Core iX processors work fine, or at least adequatelyMar 08 12:41
GoForbes28Diablo-D3: Was it you who said these drivers were "ripped off" from FGLRX?Mar 08 12:41
Diablo-D3noMar 08 12:42
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: no one said that.Mar 08 12:42
Diablo-D3I said Intel tried to take credit on all the hard work the X/Mesa/Gallium developers have done.Mar 08 12:43
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Diablo-D3And the work that, basically, AMD has paid at least some for.Mar 08 12:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] NPR exec, I mean, a hero calls a Tea Party racist; naturally the Tea Party has a problem with the truth http://ur1.ca/3fchuMar 08 12:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Fearing iTunes-Like Domination, #Hollywood Plots Netflix’s Downfall - http://bit.ly/dSlRrn yeah, must destroy anything new that succeeds...Mar 08 12:43
Diablo-D3Remember, those magical Intel drivers use the same KMS, DRM, DRI, Gallium, Mesa, and X all the other modern FOSS drivers doMar 08 12:43
GoForbes28Well that's fine with meMar 08 12:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @planetfedora: Ryan Rix: Something you can't have a beef with: in case you haven't noticed, his holiness's followe... http://bit.ly/gHBc4HMar 08 12:45
GoForbes28The taking credit part is rather dickish, but if Intel utilizes modern Free software technologies, then there's not really a problem is there?Mar 08 12:45
Diablo-D3no, there isntMar 08 12:45
Diablo-D3notice I put Intel on the list ahead of nvidia, which is waaaaaaaAAaaaAAAaaaAAAaaAAaaAAaay at the bottomMar 08 12:45
Diablo-D3but the gap between AMD and Intel is similarly hugeMar 08 12:45
Diablo-D3Intel doesnt support FOSS, they just use it.Mar 08 12:46
Diablo-D3AMD supports it, and Nvidia is Microsoft's lackey.Mar 08 12:46
Diablo-D3thats about the jist of thingsMar 08 12:46
GoForbes28Well, we know that Intel has ulterior motives, that's been proven time and time againMar 08 12:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] State of Play: Public Sector Information in the United States - http://bit.ly/enFVRg useful to have #opendata #publicsectorMar 08 12:46
GoForbes28at the same time, if they release adequate, totally Free software drivers, we can't really fault themMar 08 12:47
Diablo-D3but _they_ dont release themMar 08 12:47
Diablo-D3they try to claim the drivers they released (which are foss) are the same ones that users eventually useMar 08 12:47
Diablo-D3and its not trueMar 08 12:47
Diablo-D3theres been several instances where FOSS devs just used their drivers as a form of documentation and rewrote them from the ground upMar 08 12:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Fox Sends DMCA Takedown To #Google To Remove Link To DMCA Takedown Sent By Fox - http://bit.ly/fM0iN7 "Ah, meta #DMCA takedowns."Mar 08 12:48
GoForbes28Ok, were the rewritten drivers good?Mar 08 12:48
Diablo-D3Yes, very.Mar 08 12:48
Diablo-D3Well, from what Ive heard anywaysMar 08 12:48
Diablo-D3its almost as well done as the radeon driverMar 08 12:49
GoForbes28so the end result is quality drivers that are totally freeMar 08 12:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] @fabsh The whole idea is that you can still have the implementation in a more robust and cross-desktop way. Its not about the visualization!Mar 08 12:50
GoForbes28as I said before, no one is defending Intel hereMar 08 12:50
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: yes, but the end result is AMD paying for the driver stack Intel is usingMar 08 12:50
Diablo-D3and AMD is totally aware of it and doesnt careMar 08 12:50
Diablo-D3they truly understand FOSSMar 08 12:50
GoForbes28I may have bought a GMA HD, but never because of Intel's "unquestionable support" of Free softwareMar 08 12:50
Diablo-D3Im waiting for Microsoft to try to buy AMD or somethingMar 08 12:50
GoForbes28I bought it because there were totally Free drivers available, period.Mar 08 12:51
GoForbes28Along with some other technical reasons, but that's another thing entirelyMar 08 12:51
Diablo-D3well, the large issue for Intel now isMar 08 12:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] @fabsh We've 2 Starbucks in town, both have drive-thrus—one is >7km from me. Drive-in burger places are popular too.Drive-thru nation indeedMar 08 12:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Billions of dead fish invade Redondo's King Harbor Marina - http://bit.ly/g0xx0o perfectly normal natural cycle - probably just the weatherMar 08 12:51
Diablo-D3a) they dont sell them as video cardsMar 08 12:51
Diablo-D3b) THEY ARE AS SLOW AS FUCKMar 08 12:51
GoForbes28Microsoft buying AMD?  Microsoft isn't in the position to buy a banana from a supermarketMar 08 12:52
GoForbes28Slow as F**k?  compared to what?Mar 08 12:52
Diablo-D3anything else that does 3D.Mar 08 12:52
Diablo-D3Intel is really behind the curveMar 08 12:52
GoForbes28I've run Left 4 Dead on whatever settings it uses, and it was smooth and fastMar 08 12:52
Diablo-D3their new GMA HD 2/3 chips are the first ones to be able to run OpenCL, for oneMar 08 12:53
GoForbes28Yeah, if I turned up everything to maximum then probably there would be problemsMar 08 12:53
Diablo-D3and it wasnt until GMA 4 that they could decode bluraysMar 08 12:53
GoForbes28but I'm coming from a Radeon 9000 ProMar 08 12:53
GoForbes28I don't and will never use blurayMar 08 12:53
GoForbes28So I don't careMar 08 12:53
Diablo-D3by bluray, I mean high bandwidth high profile h264 of a certain resolutionMar 08 12:53
GoForbes28Yeah, the GMA HD doesn't equal a full-fledged graphics cardMar 08 12:54
GoForbes28but it gives me the performance I demandMar 08 12:54
Diablo-D3its about where AMD's northbridge gpus and Fusion gpus are.Mar 08 12:54
Diablo-D3which is kind of patheticMar 08 12:54
GoForbes28I don't need an overperforming (for me) graphics card in a laptop adding weight and heatMar 08 12:54
Diablo-D3yeah, thats fine for a laptopMar 08 12:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Climbing over FarmVille, Messenger now #2 Facebook app - http://bit.ly/e4nMJi "The love affair of Ballmer & Zuckerberg continues unabated"Mar 08 12:55
Diablo-D3but I'd still buy a fusion laptop before a... mac or whateverMar 08 12:55
GoForbes28fusion being what again?Mar 08 12:55
Diablo-D3they moved the radeon cores into the cpu die, so they're htx native coresMar 08 12:55
Diablo-D3you end up with an 18w chipset that outperforms intel's newest atom generation in everythingMar 08 12:56
GoForbes28Which would matter to me when I buy a netbookMar 08 12:56
Diablo-D3flat out speed, it does h264 decoding and atom doesnt, it does opencl and atom doesntMar 08 12:56
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: nope, it gets betterMar 08 12:56
Diablo-D3its so fast, its also as fast as Intel's low end laptop cpusMar 08 12:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The United States of Charlie Sheen - http://bit.ly/hQ9WyW wonderful, witty post #economicsMar 08 12:56
Diablo-D3at half the wattsMar 08 12:56
Diablo-D3it just completely screw Intel overMar 08 12:57
GoForbes28Driver support is the key here thoughMar 08 12:57
Diablo-D3driver support existed basically 2 years before the chip didMar 08 12:57
Diablo-D3well, 1.5 yearsMar 08 12:57
GoForbes28ookMar 08 12:57
Diablo-D3the radeon cores are basically generic radeon 5xxx coresMar 08 12:57
GoForbes28are there totally Free drivers available?Mar 08 12:57
Diablo-D3they just had to handle some niggling shit and add PCI IDsMar 08 12:57
Diablo-D3yes, but its not out of trunk yetMar 08 12:57
GoForbes28no firmware blobs whatsoever?Mar 08 12:58
GoForbes28proprietary, that is?Mar 08 12:58
Diablo-D3no, uses the existing ones iircMar 08 12:58
GoForbes28Then I won't get itMar 08 12:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] @fabsh We've 2 Starbucks in town, both have drive-thrus—one is <7km from me. Drive-in burger places are popular too.Drive-thru nation indeedMar 08 12:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] Obama's 180 on #gitmo is his biggest failure: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/07/AR2011030704871.htmlMar 08 12:58
GoForbes28I'm serious about thisMar 08 12:58
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: like I said, radeons dont have real firmware blobs.Mar 08 12:58
GoForbes28but it is enough for it not to work with Linux libre or distro like TrisquelMar 08 12:59
Diablo-D3theres no reason for the radeon driver not to already use it's own other than the devs are busy as hellMar 08 12:59
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: works on debianMar 08 12:59
GoForbes28Once you install the firmware...Mar 08 12:59
Diablo-D3yes, but I dont think radeon is in the nonfree firmware packageMar 08 12:59
Diablo-D3but I could be wrongMar 08 12:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Second half starts. 1 - 0 to !barca !footballMar 08 13:00
GoForbes28I have to go for class, may bblMar 08 13:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Massive Research Report On 'Piracy' In Emerging Economies; Debunks Entire Foundation Of US Foreign IP Policy - http://bit.ly/gHIStIMar 08 13:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I approve. ♺ @biglesp: drinking rum ...that is all. !loMar 08 13:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @lamm Starbucks are all in inner-city areas w/o drive-throughs in Germany or I would go there. Can't park close to the ones in Bonn though.Mar 08 13:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Shite! Nobody likes to see that! !barca !footballMar 08 13:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @rrix I don't care about cross-desktop. I only run one desktop. So do 95% of users.Mar 08 13:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @lamm I have 3 Starbucks in < 1km from me. Great on foot, sucks if you're in a car.Mar 08 13:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Red card Persie #sweet :) !barcaMar 08 13:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] @fabsh and for those who run kde apps on gnome or the other way around?Mar 08 13:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] @fabsh more people do that than you realize.Mar 08 13:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @rrix I know that people do that. The KDE apps I've used on Gnome all worked well as far as tray icons were concerned.Mar 08 13:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @rrix Of course, the theming of the windows is horrible.....Mar 08 13:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] slogan idea: I find your lack of FaiF #disturbingMar 08 13:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] News Corp Backs Digital #Music Alternative - http://on.mash.to/ht5xhY intriguing, but I don't quite get the business model hereMar 08 13:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] <3 ♺ @psquid: First stop on my sightseeing tour of the !lo !minecraft server: a Nuclear Chicken! http://i.imgur.com/5T5fO.pngMar 08 13:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Arsenal are fowling bastards. That is all !barcaMar 08 13:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @biglesp: just one more rum, its a school night !loMar 08 13:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Pure genius: Charlie Brooker iPad 2 http://outl.ws/dLuOBzMar 08 13:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Goooooaaaaallllll !barca !footballMar 08 13:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "We are now a species that applauds cables."Mar 08 13:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "Apparently not everyone is seeing the iPad as the shit miracle it is."Mar 08 13:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "You'll be entering skeleton mode..."Mar 08 13:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Installing Fedora 15 Alpha on my netbook. Let's see how GNOME Shell works on my Eee PC 701.Mar 08 13:23
DaemonFCI tried out GNOME ShellMar 08 13:23
DaemonFCit didn't end up being far off from the picture of "GNOME 3" on UncyclopediaMar 08 13:24
sebsebsebDaemonFC: was it the latest version?Mar 08 13:24
DaemonFChttp://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060111175314/uncyclopedia/images/4/48/Next-gnome.pngMar 08 13:25
DaemonFCheheMar 08 13:25
sebsebsebDaemonFC: i'll upgrade to KDE 4.6.1 in  PC Linux OS, laterMar 08 13:25
sebsebsebDaemonFC: ok just seen that imageMar 08 13:25
sebsebsebso basically your saying, that you had issues?Mar 08 13:25
DaemonFCI'm saying they even got rid of the appearance settingsMar 08 13:26
DaemonFCat least from what I could tell, all you can do is change the wallpaperMar 08 13:26
sebsebsebuhmmMar 08 13:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @psquid: Second stop on my sightseeing tour of the !lo !minecraft server: a big-ass wall, with a stairway! http://i.imgur.com/EWL5P.pngMar 08 13:26
sebsebsebthere's a new programMar 08 13:26
sebsebsebfor changing wall papers and stuff like thatMar 08 13:26
MinceRis it called gconf-editor?Mar 08 13:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] RT @glynmoody 'Bullied' #police to stage protests over pay cuts - http://bit.ly/idFsWg I have only one thing to say to this: "kettling"Mar 08 13:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] RT @glynmoody State of Play: Public Sector Information in the United States - http://bit.ly/enFVRg useful to have #opendata #publicsectorMar 08 13:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Yay! #Tenn. #Teachers Join Battle Against Anti-Union Bills http://n.pr/fE0iF0 #Nashville #TNMar 08 13:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] RT @glynmoody Fearing iTunes-Like Domination, #Hollywood Plots Netflix’s Downfall - http://bit.ly/dSlRrn yeah, must destroy anything new ...Mar 08 13:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] RT @glynmoody James Bond in Drag For International Women’s Day - http://bit.ly/dNal6t nicely done... #iwdMar 08 13:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] On comes Bender. To little too late.Mar 08 13:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] FUCK ME! Oo ♺ @psquid: behind the wall. Really awesome! http://i.imgur.comMar 08 13:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pmctechblog/@pmctechblog] Will !Unity or !Gnome 3.0 be able to do video or live backgrounds easier than Gnome 2? !ubuntu !linuxMar 08 13:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Afellay comes on just chuckle at the gooner performance. !football !barcaMar 08 13:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] RT @mv Wis. Republicans Flee Public Meeting Filled with Supporters of Public Employees http://bit.ly/dWsqQ7 !wisconsin !ilm !a http://ur ...Mar 08 13:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @psquid: Third stop on my sightseeing tour of the #lo #minecraft server: Some big, bad bones. http://imgur.com/Cjym3Mar 08 13:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @psquid: Fourth stop on my sightseeing tour of the #lo #minecraft server: a sky-ship dock! http://i.imgur.com/ErIbD.pngMar 08 13:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !barca win !footballMar 08 13:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] RT @rms US Uncut Protests http://ur1.ca/3fcrcMar 08 13:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] wouldn't be a successful govt bailout if it didn't allow for obscene bonuses to be paid for failing http://tighturl.com/2zq1 #bankersMar 08 13:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] WOW!!! ♺ @psquid: Fifth stop on my sightseeing tour of the !lo !minecraft server: sunrise, and a skull. http://imgur.com/GWOB1Mar 08 13:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Wenger accepts ref's decisions, fair game....what? He's complaining again? Can't be. Complaining is just not like himMar 08 13:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ex-Daily Star reporter now being harassed http://tighturl.com/2zq2 source suspected to be his former employersMar 08 14:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] so we can assume the usual abuse of powers by the papers with lots of front page exposes destroying his careerMar 08 14:01
MinceRgnMar 08 14:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Better than the damn hotdog: http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/sheepyshenannigans.pngMar 08 14:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] will the #Met do a better job of investigating phone hacking this time? wouldn't hold my breathMar 08 14:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Economic Cyberwar: The New Security Mandate - http://bit.ly/fdCGDt deeply flawed piece confusing "IP" & #innovation (v @jjn1) #chinaMar 08 14:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Observations: Short on sleep, brain optimistically favors long odds (SciAmerican): http://bit.ly/fTV3vCMar 08 14:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Oh god.... @th3k4ty is digging for lava..... OoMar 08 14:08
DaemonFCevery once in a while I notice something in GNOME and think that the developer that did this should be shotMar 08 14:10
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DaemonFCthat stupid file sharing thing that takes up a good inch of screen real estate in Nautilus that you can't turn off :)Mar 08 14:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] WebOS game manager for #N900 #Maemo http://is.gd/ol7msaMar 08 14:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Such a cute sheep. I really like it! :D http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1744Mar 08 14:11
oiaohmDaemonFC: Reason why I like KDE they normally are too many options.   Where  Gnome is normally too frewMar 08 14:12
DaemonFCit's nice until they miss the ONE I wantedMar 08 14:12
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 14:12
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DaemonFCyeah, I agree :)Mar 08 14:12
oiaohmExactly the issueMar 08 14:13
DaemonFCI'll stop using Kubuntu period if Canonical decides it needs to write its own proprietary KDE add onsMar 08 14:13
DaemonFCso far they left it aloneMar 08 14:13
DaemonFCin GNOME they broke Bluetooth sharing to enable that stupid Ubuntu One shitMar 08 14:13
oiaohmCanonical decided to simplerfy KDEMar 08 14:13
oiaohmThey did not get the idea of KDE at all.Mar 08 14:13
oiaohmIe KDE goal is always to be too many options.Mar 08 14:14
DaemonFCKDE is pretty vanilla in KubuntuMar 08 14:14
DaemonFCCanonical hasn't tried to dive in and botch it Mar 08 14:14
DaemonFCyetMar 08 14:14
DaemonFCas long as they only do stupid things to GNOME, fineMar 08 14:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh unlike Ubuntu's which have a touch of humours wordplay, that helps a lot to memorize.Mar 08 14:15
DaemonFCbrbMar 08 14:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @fabsh Obstinate Orangutan FTW \o/Mar 08 14:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[demuxer/@demuxer] this !cablegate http://rod.gs/gve (originated by 2009) is officially confirmed TODAY http://rod.gs/Zqg !wikileaks !GuatemalaMar 08 14:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh heh, me... I'm a number person. It's easier for me to memorize Ubuntu 11.4 than Natty nwhat? Same for Fedora :)Mar 08 14:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh @ruiseabra Felicia was the worst everMar 08 14:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Senators tell Biden to push Russia into antipiracy - http://cnet.co/h6V46y let's hope #Russia tells Biden where to push *that* idea...Mar 08 14:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Wishes people would just have more fun and enjoy the @beefymiracle . No one has fun in !fedora any more.Mar 08 14:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Imaginary Foundation just released a collaborative tshirt for Larry @Lessig's REMIX. Check it out! http://bit.ly/f8tWnUMar 08 14:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] damn, the new #MortalKombat does look kinda tasty http://tighturl.com/2zq6Mar 08 14:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: Chromify-OSD adds GMail support http://goo.gl/FJNqb !chromiumMar 08 14:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] sloppy #Slashdot linkbait again involving #Android http://tighturl.com/2zq7Mar 08 14:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] The xf86-video-chrome Driver Is Now "Stable": The xf86-video-chrome driver, which is the open-source VIA Linux X... http://bit.ly/eAScenMar 08 14:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh @quaid Well maybe new community members. Though not me. I don't even know the codenames. It's just F14 to me,Mar 08 14:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #FTC starts looking at the #Patent #Troll problem http://tighturl.com/2zq8Mar 08 14:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] new report debunking the entire foundation of US foreign IP policy http://tighturl.com/2zq9 #awesomeMar 08 14:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh I'm not familiar enough with RPMs yet to start on alphas. I might go for the beta, but enjoying the change form Ubuntu to Debian nowMar 08 14:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @thistleweb: @nybill whatever the project is, ya have to use a #Discworld naming scheme, ya just gots ta, it's ripe for the pluckin'Mar 08 14:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Robert Ancell: And now for some good news: GTK3, GNOME Shell/Unity, GObject Introspection, Vala http://goo.gl/DdwLEMar 08 15:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Catching up with email. Feeling bad that I've neglected stuff from @bkuhn and !BUSC so long... :/Mar 08 15:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] KB days – second edition. March towards Firefox 4 http://bit.ly/hedSI3Mar 08 15:05
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DaemonFCoiaohm: I don't recall that Phoronix guy saying whether he had vsync on or offMar 08 15:07
DaemonFCyou should use driconf to force it off globally as it is a huge bottleneck for the readon driversMar 08 15:08
DaemonFCKWin compositing will go from choppy to smooth as silk by flipping vsync offMar 08 15:08
DaemonFCthe whole point of vsync is to match the vertical refresh rate, not make the framerate slowerMar 08 15:09
DaemonFCthis is one part where the driver needs a lot of workMar 08 15:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Discworld seems like just hollow fiction on the surface, but there's themes and layers in each novel that go much deeperMar 08 15:10
oiaohmDaemonFC: really a evil evil cheat is missing.Mar 08 15:11
oiaohmDaemonFC: Nvidia drivers contain a nice little cheat where the render fully the frames required for a vsyncMar 08 15:12
oiaohmDaemonFC:  but not the frames not required.Mar 08 15:12
oiaohmIe DaemonFC frames not require for a vsync are only part rendered.Mar 08 15:13
DaemonFConly enough for the driver to decide whether it needs it or notMar 08 15:13
DaemonFCFGLRX does the same thing latelyMar 08 15:13
DaemonFCever since they introduced their new 2d acceleration architectureMar 08 15:14
oiaohmOpen source drivers don't have that yet.Mar 08 15:14
DaemonFCit blows the old one out of the water, though it's not DRI 2Mar 08 15:14
oiaohmOf course the first stage is being able to track and cap to vsync.Mar 08 15:14
DaemonFCDRI2 drivers all render 2d stuff faster than ATI Mar 08 15:14
oiaohmAnd NvidiaMar 08 15:14
oiaohmClosed source drivers are not known for there 2d rendering speed.Mar 08 15:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] Red Hat and the GPL http://lwn.net/Articles/432012/rssMar 08 15:15
DaemonFCFGLRX's old 2d acceleration code was so bad that you'd try to avoid doing simple things like a window resizeMar 08 15:15
oiaohmExcept on windows where they are quite decent at 2dMar 08 15:15
DaemonFCat least that's not the case nowMar 08 15:15
DaemonFCI think I noticed at one point that VESA actually resized windows smoother than the old FGLRX 2dMar 08 15:16
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 15:16
oiaohmEven on the 2d sideMar 08 15:16
oiaohmX11 servers have not been designed todo that in the GPU.Mar 08 15:17
oiaohmIe too much shipping between cpu ram and video card ram in 2d modes.Mar 08 15:17
oiaohmBeing worked on of course so 2d under open source drivers is going to get faster yet.Mar 08 15:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @themadhatter I love Otto, the idea of a black ribboner vampire who turns to dust when the flash goes off, working as the press photographerMar 08 15:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] Hi @lostnbronx!Mar 08 15:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@glynmoody: Massive Research Report On 'Piracy' In Emerging Economies Debunks Entire Foundation Of US Foreign IP Policyhttp://bit.ly/gHIStIMar 08 15:21
oiaohmAlso stupidly Intel video card drivers managed to use less cpu time playing back videos than Nvidia.Mar 08 15:22
DaemonFCwhat's the difference between direct and indirect rendering?Mar 08 15:23
DaemonFCis one faster?Mar 08 15:23
oiaohmdirect is normally faster.Mar 08 15:24
DaemonFCKDE prefers direct, but Compiz and mutter both default to indirectMar 08 15:24
oiaohmAlso wine hates indirectMar 08 15:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @popey: Yay! http://twitpic.com/47lnli #census #noreligionMar 08 15:25
oiaohmIssue with indirect is some middle man is playing with the data you are sending to video card.Mar 08 15:25
DaemonFCis this why Wine acts up more under Compiz than KWin?Mar 08 15:25
oiaohmWine will mess up under both.Mar 08 15:25
oiaohmkwin is fine if you have dri2 drivers with wine.Mar 08 15:26
oiaohmDri1 issue wine digs out over and over again.  Ie the 1 applicaiton using opengl only rule of dri1. Mar 08 15:26
DaemonFCyeah, I noticed FGLRX is faster than free ati drivers in Wine, but it often leads to texture corruptions that don't happen with the free driverMar 08 15:27
DaemonFCso some games end up unplayable anywayMar 08 15:27
DaemonFCwith Wine as a deciding factor, don't even try to pick driversMar 08 15:27
oiaohmFGLRX is fine normally without compiz and with kwin with its compositing features turned off.Mar 08 15:27
DaemonFCboth fail in different ways on different thingsMar 08 15:27
oiaohmWith wine.Mar 08 15:28
oiaohmWine camp sooner DRI2 drivers are here the better.Mar 08 15:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to bed. Long work day tomorrow.... OoMar 08 15:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @bruce89: It's funny how people cling to GNOME 2.x's UI as if it's the best thing since sliced toast. 2002 is history nowMar 08 15:28
oiaohmDaemonFC: Nvidia has a stack of hacks that try to magically hide the dri1 issue.Mar 08 15:29
DaemonFCI'm going to end up building my own kernel on Natty :PMar 08 15:29
DaemonFCwhy are they still using 2.6.38-rc6?Mar 08 15:30
oiaohmDaemonFC: Problem is wine is insanely good at finding any flaw.Mar 08 15:30
DaemonFCyes, Nvidia is unnaturally fast for a "DRI 1" driverMar 08 15:30
oiaohmindirect rendering is infact an attempt to hack around the dri1 limitation.Mar 08 15:30
DaemonFCbut that is because of hacksMar 08 15:30
oiaohmAnd those hacks are not without prices.Mar 08 15:30
oiaohmDaemonFC: really thinking the open source drivers are not frame cheating the ATI ones are runing quite well.Mar 08 15:32
DaemonFCwell, if the choice is be a little slower or piss off every application into exposing bugs.....Mar 08 15:34
DaemonFCI guess I'd be happy with slower, to a pointMar 08 15:34
oiaohmWhat I am looking at is when frame cheating gets implemented.Mar 08 15:35
oiaohmThe frame rate should be able to come up prity close to where the ATI is now.Mar 08 15:35
oiaohmwith the closed sourceMar 08 15:35
DaemonFCI'd rather just disable vsync and not worry about my card getting sent crap that it doesn't need to renderMar 08 15:35
DaemonFCnothing like clogging the pipeline for no reasonMar 08 15:36
oiaohmReally enable vsync can have frame dropping.Mar 08 15:36
oiaohmIe lack of frame dropping feature is why vsync hurts.Mar 08 15:36
oiaohmBut its one of those annoying order things.Mar 08 15:37
oiaohmYou cannot implement a frame dropping feature without vsync working.  DaemonFCMar 08 15:37
oiaohmPlaces in the 3d driver development at times is take 2 step backward to be able to take 8 steps forwards latter.Mar 08 15:38
DaemonFCMesa 7.11-devel is not performing better than 7.10 so far, but it has a few more featuresMar 08 15:41
DaemonFCso applications that wouldn't work could suddenly start workingMar 08 15:41
DaemonFCdo you figure the Mesa from Xorg-edgers would accept that S3 texture library?Mar 08 15:42
DaemonFCDebian Multimedia has that particular library in a deb packageMar 08 15:43
oiaohmFrom memory S3 texture issue patents expire in 4 to 5 years.Mar 08 15:43
DaemonFCwould be nice to haveMar 08 15:44
DaemonFCI don't care if I violate their patentMar 08 15:44
DaemonFCtheir patent is ridiculousMar 08 15:45
oiaohmYep patent 1997Mar 08 15:45
DaemonFCoiaohm: How does linux-next work?Mar 08 15:45
DaemonFCit's a patch against 2.6.38-rc8 right nowMar 08 15:46
DaemonFCthat's the bleeding edge tree, right?Mar 08 15:46
DaemonFCis it normally usable?Mar 08 15:46
oiaohmSo it expires end of 2017 DaemonFCMar 08 15:46
oiaohmSo there is a good chance with a little taking the patent holder might give it up.Mar 08 15:47
oiaohmAnd intergrating it into tree now is not bad thing thinking in 6 years that is a short time by Linux standards they will be able to.Mar 08 15:47
oiaohmlinux-next is a test bed tree.  DaemonFCMar 08 15:47
DaemonFCis there a way to just use drm-next?Mar 08 15:48
oiaohmEach subsystem maintainer has there own tree.Mar 08 15:48
DaemonFCall I'm interested in is the latest DRM codeMar 08 15:48
oiaohmto make sure all the subsystem maintainer tree are in workable sync.Mar 08 15:48
oiaohmlinux-next exists.Mar 08 15:48
oiaohmIe Linux-next is not based on the past stable kernel directly.Mar 08 15:49
DaemonFCif I click on Snapshot of drm-next, it offers me a tarballMar 08 15:49
DaemonFCwhat is that? an entire kernel? based on what?Mar 08 15:49
DaemonFCit would be cool to stay on the edge with the latest kernel DRM code Mar 08 15:50
oiaohmDaemonFC: subsystem maintainers tree.Mar 08 15:50
DaemonFCa lot of neat stuff happens thereMar 08 15:50
oiaohmReally want to know to use git.Mar 08 15:50
oiaohmNot pull snap shots from a subsystem maintainers tree.Mar 08 15:50
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DaemonFCthe kernel moves too slow for me with this kind of stuffMar 08 15:50
DaemonFCit's like nothing happens for months, then BAM, a bunch of new features all in one hitMar 08 15:51
oiaohmgit supports tree merging.  DaemonFCMar 08 15:51
DaemonFCthen wait 3 more monthsMar 08 15:51
oiaohmThat is what linux next is.Mar 08 15:51
oiaohmbut if you don't want to run everything insane.Mar 08 15:51
oiaohmYou can tree merge like the drm-next tree back into current release stable.Mar 08 15:51
DaemonFCI should just pull the drm-next treeMar 08 15:51
DaemonFCright?Mar 08 15:51
oiaohmReally get to know git little deeper before doing anything.Mar 08 15:52
DaemonFCthat's why I was not going to dive right in with linux-next, it would introduce bugs in things I don't care about that muchMar 08 15:52
oiaohmBecause you most likely want drm-next tree mixed with the stable tree.Mar 08 15:52
oiaohmlinux-next has every leading edge tree.Mar 08 15:52
oiaohmFor every driverMar 08 15:52
oiaohmEven items that linus rejects because they fail testing.  DaemonFCMar 08 15:53
DaemonFCwhich means bugs, data loss, kernel refusing to bootMar 08 15:53
DaemonFCknowing my luckMar 08 15:53
oiaohmYepMar 08 15:53
DaemonFCI'd just like the latest kernel + all the latest DRM codeMar 08 15:53
oiaohmlinux-next tree good for subsystem maintainers to keep in sync.Mar 08 15:53
oiaohmAnyone else using it is nuts.Mar 08 15:53
DaemonFCmy video card is really the only thing I have that Linux could support a lot betterMar 08 15:54
oiaohmDaemonFC: You notice the term git pull a lotMar 08 15:54
oiaohmThat is a git feature.Mar 08 15:54
oiaohmAllows you to pull a tree like drm-next over the current tree you have.Mar 08 15:54
oiaohmSo making a new  kernel with all the feature of the stable and all the features added in drm-next.Mar 08 15:55
oiaohmBasically once you know git you will be able todo what you want fairly good.  DaemonFCMar 08 15:55
oiaohmOf course you would check linux-next before doing a major pull incase the drm maintainer did something stupid and it will not merge at the moment.Mar 08 15:56
oiaohmDaemonFC: git is a great tool for the flex it gives you.  But of course flex comes with risk.  Closer to the bleeding edge higher risk of bugs.Mar 08 15:57
DaemonFCI used to use the predecessor of nextMar 08 15:59
DaemonFCsame thing reallyMar 08 15:59
DaemonFCthe nvidia binary driver usually supports those tooMar 08 15:59
DaemonFCI remember I had to edit the source of the glue layer and comment a bunch of stuff out to get it to build onceMar 08 16:00
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 16:00
DaemonFCwas just a shot in the dark, but it workedMar 08 16:00
oiaohmNo next is more scary than the old devel branch.Mar 08 16:00
DaemonFCwhat I can't stand is that Ubuntu isn't actually using  upstream AppArmorMar 08 16:01
oiaohmBecause they had to enchance it.Mar 08 16:01
DaemonFCif you don't apply their patches, not only does AppArmor not work, it displays very verbose complaints as well :)Mar 08 16:01
oiaohmAnd upstream rejected there alterations.Mar 08 16:01
oiaohmUbuntu don't play well with others.Mar 08 16:02
DaemonFCthey fought to get it upstreamed and then won't use the upstream versionMar 08 16:02
DaemonFCthat's maddeningly unhelpfulMar 08 16:02
oiaohmUpstream rejected there last lot of patchesMar 08 16:02
oiaohmOn the grounds it broke backwards compadiblity.Mar 08 16:02
DaemonFCso instead they put them in Ubuntu anywayMar 08 16:03
DaemonFCand essentially have a forkMar 08 16:03
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 16:03
oiaohmUbuntu does this over and over again.Mar 08 16:03
oiaohmAnd they don't seam to be learning.Mar 08 16:03
oiaohmUpstream is more often than not right.Mar 08 16:03
DaemonFCthey will when they have to maintain it all as upstream gets further and further awayMar 08 16:03
DaemonFCand eventually they are left eating dustMar 08 16:03
oiaohmOr they die under the workload.Mar 08 16:04
DaemonFCa fork is easy to maintain when it's just starting outMar 08 16:04
oiaohmLike google internally was.Mar 08 16:04
DaemonFCbut it gets harder and harderMar 08 16:04
oiaohmGoogle 12 yearsMar 08 16:04
oiaohmThen it was that hard that google with all its resource could not maintain it.Mar 08 16:05
DaemonFClots of the changelog in Fedora packages is "Drop patch X, it got upstreamed" "Drop patch Y, it didn't"Mar 08 16:05
DaemonFCRed Hat wasn't always such a pleasure to useMar 08 16:06
oiaohmThing is Y patch would have past first actMar 08 16:06
DaemonFCthey made insane decisions that border on what Canonical does nowMar 08 16:06
oiaohmIe sent upstream and got maintainer tick off.Mar 08 16:06
oiaohmBut under the next level of inspection got rejected.Mar 08 16:06
DaemonFCthey usually ask first if it could get upstream, patch their version, and drop the patch when the upstream takes itMar 08 16:06
DaemonFCthat's why you don't see a lot of patches in Fedora that just bounce backMar 08 16:07
oiaohmFedora a few patches a year get past first maintainerMar 08 16:07
DaemonFCCanonical just sends jono out to cover their asses and insult every upstream that told them their work is stupidMar 08 16:07
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 16:07
oiaohmAnd then get to Linus and next level maintainers and get bounced.Mar 08 16:08
jonoDaemonFC, well, it is my jobMar 08 16:08
jonoinsulting upstreamsMar 08 16:08
jonoand being a Canonical shillMar 08 16:08
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jono:PMar 08 16:08
jonooh, and throwing kittens into burning firesMar 08 16:08
jonoand making cups of tea with old milkMar 08 16:08
jonoetc etc...Mar 08 16:08
DaemonFCthis is up from merely helping your boss punch themMar 08 16:08
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 16:08
jonololMar 08 16:09
DaemonFC"IGOR, where are you!? Bring me another package to mutilate! I HUNGER!"Mar 08 16:10
DaemonFCB-)Mar 08 16:10
DaemonFCwe'll call it "Scrollbar 2.0"Mar 08 16:10
DaemonFCand ransom the old ones for, one million dollars!Mar 08 16:10
oiaohmjono: Suse use of Spacewalk is inside the rules.  Redhat own commerical version of Spacewalk is Satellite.  Each distrobution tweeking it is expected to rename it.  This infact prevents trademark issues.Mar 08 16:11
DaemonFCyeah, it's no more wrong than repainting RHEL as CentOS or Scientific LinuxMar 08 16:12
DaemonFCthey're compliant with the license, that's all that really countsMar 08 16:12
jonooiaohm, I am not sure I suggested otherwiseMar 08 16:12
DaemonFCreally Canonical has to be congratulated for not stooping to Oracle's levelMar 08 16:13
DaemonFCcloning RHEL and saying "Hey RHEL customers, point your Up2Date over here!"Mar 08 16:13
DaemonFC"We have cheaper slave collars"Mar 08 16:13
oiaohmjono: The issue with Banshee is the alteration does cross into trademark issues and Consumer protection laws.  Particular all Consumer laws covering consumer deception.Mar 08 16:13
DaemonFCB-)Mar 08 16:13
DaemonFCas far as I know, Banshee has never said you couldn't call it Banshee and hasn't acted to stop anyone from thatMar 08 16:14
DaemonFCbut you're right, they could, it is trademarkedMar 08 16:14
oiaohmDaemonFC: Novell holds the Banshee trademarkMar 08 16:14
DaemonFCa lot of things are trademarked and modified and used without permissionMar 08 16:14
jonooiaohm, there is no trademark issue at all - we are not infringing on the trademarkMar 08 16:14
jonohow is it a trademark infringement?Mar 08 16:14
DaemonFCjono: Are you still offering afio?Mar 08 16:15
jonoand how does it relate to consumer protection when the license allows such a changeMar 08 16:15
oiaohmjono: Its false repesentation.  Mar 08 16:15
DaemonFCunder the IANAL relicense Mar 08 16:15
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 16:15
jonooiaohm, how so? the Banshee team legally allow such a changeMar 08 16:15
oiaohmjono: after you threated.Mar 08 16:15
DaemonFCit's distasteful and dishonest, but not against the letter of the lawMar 08 16:15
DaemonFCI think is what jono is sayingMar 08 16:15
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 16:15
jonooiaohm, trademark infringement is when you claim to be something different than the trademark represents - we are still shipping BansheeMar 08 16:15
oiaohmjono: any agreement under duress means nothing.Mar 08 16:15
jonooiaohm, careful, no one threatened anyoneMar 08 16:16
oiaohmjono: basic contract law.Mar 08 16:16
oiaohmNo you did.Mar 08 16:16
DaemonFCjono: Mozilla came out of nowhere and sandbagged Debian with trademark complaintsMar 08 16:16
oiaohmYou said you would remove the feature.Mar 08 16:16
jonoDaemonFC, I totally see how some people feel it is culturally insensitive, but yes, it is legally acceptable, the license allows itMar 08 16:16
oiaohmThat is legally a threat.  jonoMar 08 16:16
DaemonFCjust because Ubuntu got a sweetheart deal there doesn't mean all upstreams willMar 08 16:16
jonooiaohm, which contract?Mar 08 16:16
jonoand what was the specific threatMar 08 16:16
jono?Mar 08 16:16
oiaohmjono: all agreement when it comes to this kind of alteration come under contract law.Mar 08 16:17
oiaohmcontracts don't have to be written.Mar 08 16:17
DaemonFCFirefox is a great big bloated pile of bugs and random assorted crapMar 08 16:17
jonooiaohm, no contract has been signed with the Banshee team, so how is it a contract issue?Mar 08 16:17
DaemonFCthey should just be glad anyone is willing to use it by choiceMar 08 16:17
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 16:17
oiaohmjono: stop being a idiot.Mar 08 16:17
oiaohmwhat is a verbal contract.Mar 08 16:17
jonooiaohm, please be respectfulMar 08 16:17
DaemonFCI consider Firefox to be the IE of GNOME-based LinuxMar 08 16:18
DaemonFCit's there, the help system and several other things need itMar 08 16:18
jonooiaohm, verbal contracts are not protected by contract lawMar 08 16:18
DaemonFCyou can't get rid of itMar 08 16:18
oiaohmThat the banshee people approve that you could do x alteration falls under verbal contracts.Mar 08 16:18
DaemonFCit's slow, buggy, and a security riskMar 08 16:18
oiaohmjono: infact verbal contract do fall under contract lawMar 08 16:18
oiaohmIf they can be proven to be in existance.Mar 08 16:18
DaemonFCyes, but those are almost impossible to enforceMar 08 16:18
DaemonFCthere have to be witnesses, credible onesMar 08 16:19
jonooiaohm, if you want to criticise Canonical for backtracking on an agreement, you are totally within your rights to do so, but your legal assessment is without grounds from my (limited) knowledge of contract lawMar 08 16:19
DaemonFCthe more the betterMar 08 16:19
oiaohmProblem is normally proven the existance of a verbal contract.Mar 08 16:19
DaemonFCthey don't say "Get it in writing" for no reasonMar 08 16:19
jonooiaohm, apart from anything, there was no verbal contract, there was an offer, and it was rejectedMar 08 16:19
oiaohmcommon legal mistake is that a verbal contract is not covered by contract law.Mar 08 16:19
jonowhich by definitions means so such agreement or verbal contract existedMar 08 16:20
DaemonFCyou should have kept your collective mouths shut and just did itMar 08 16:20
DaemonFClegally safer since nothing in the license forbids itMar 08 16:20
oiaohmBasically jono legally any form of agreement fall under contract law.Mar 08 16:20
jonooiaohm, and given that you were not involved in any of the discussions, I find it ironic that you feel you can quantatively say that (a) we threatened Banshee and (b) you know there was a verbal contractMar 08 16:20
oiaohmAnd most never have duress.Mar 08 16:20
oiaohmmost/mustMar 08 16:20
jonooiaohm, don't judge a perceived cultural indiscretion as a legal issueMar 08 16:21
DaemonFCKubuntu is still Mono-freeMar 08 16:21
jonoI think you are barking up the wrong treeMar 08 16:21
DaemonFCthere's qt4 bindings but nothing uses themMar 08 16:21
DaemonFCno software, means no reason for distros to foist it on youMar 08 16:21
jonoanyway, I better get back to workMar 08 16:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] working on a #Discworld post for people who have never heard of itMar 08 16:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Fedora GNOME 3 Test Day http://lwn.net/Articles/432201/rssMar 08 16:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Younger son has to do "Home Based Learning" - but needs 'doze for it. Will MOE fund a copy of 'doze? No open standards? FAIL! #fbMar 08 16:21
jonowriting a blog about the Ubuntu Global Jam :-)Mar 08 16:21
oiaohmjono: problem agreement does not protect you from the consumer projection laws.  Particularly here.  Mar 08 16:21
jonoget some folks together to have some fun :-)Mar 08 16:22
DaemonFCjono: I have one big question for youMar 08 16:22
jonooiaohm, ok, so how have we breached consumer protection laws?Mar 08 16:22
jonoDaemonFC, sureMar 08 16:22
DaemonFCWhy is it that you can't support Mono like Debian does? ie, get rid of tomboy and banshee, and the system replaces them with Rhytmbox and GnoteMar 08 16:22
DaemonFCfor exampleMar 08 16:22
DaemonFCyou can make the ubuntu desktop package depend on either/orMar 08 16:22
oiaohmjono: Very simply 2 users 1 using fedora one using Ubuntu.  User using the program unless clearly displayed that the money is going a differenet path.Mar 08 16:23
oiaohmThe user in in there right to be presume the money is going to the same location.Mar 08 16:23
DaemonFCDebian doesn't depend on Mono, if you remove something, it replaces it with a non-Mono stand-inMar 08 16:23
jonooiaohm, I don't understand - how is the rights of the consumer being abused?Mar 08 16:23
oiaohmSince its not currently clearly displayed the user could be decieved where the money is going so illegal.Mar 08 16:23
oiaohmBecause where the users is believe there money is going may not be the case.  jonoMar 08 16:24
DaemonFCjono: It would let you have cake and eat it to, Banshee is there, but people who don't want it get kicked back to RhythmboxMar 08 16:24
oiaohmSo you are decieving the user.Mar 08 16:24
DaemonFCremoving Banshee now means removing ubuntu-desktopMar 08 16:24
jonoDaemonFC, well, the Ubuntu Technical Board does not see any risk in Mono as it stands today, so therefore we choose apps based on the best user experience (namely TobBoy as an example) - if the legal risk of Mono changes, we would remove those appsMar 08 16:24
DaemonFCso mandatory MonoMar 08 16:24
jonoDaemonFC, in other words, if the TB are convinced that Mono is a risk, we would not ship it and then remove those apps and seek alternativesMar 08 16:25
DaemonFCyou've disempowered the user to choose what the user wants and does not wantMar 08 16:25
oiaohmjono: Its something you have to be very careful with doing a change like this.  That person using the software that is clear that its changed.Mar 08 16:25
oiaohmjono: changing the refer id alone is basically not enough.Mar 08 16:25
jonooiaohm, so your view is that because we don't communicate where the money is going it is therefore illigal?Mar 08 16:25
DaemonFCjono: I didn't say I'm qualified to certify it as a riskMar 08 16:25
DaemonFCI asked, what if I don't want itMar 08 16:25
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 16:25
oiaohmjono: that is the austrlaian law.Mar 08 16:26
jonoDaemonFC, oh you mean if you just don't want the app?Mar 08 16:26
DaemonFCyeahMar 08 16:26
DaemonFCthe either/or method lets the user decide what they wish to haveMar 08 16:26
DaemonFCyou already do it in KubuntuMar 08 16:26
oiaohmjono: and my big problem is the consumer protection laws called fair trading will hold me it account for you alteration if I install Ubuntu with the alteration the way it is on a customers machine.Mar 08 16:26
jonooiaohm, I think you are incorrect - I don't *know* this - but if that was the case, any kind of sale would be illigal as there is revenue share in pretty much everythingMar 08 16:26
DaemonFCremove Rekonq, get KonquerorMar 08 16:26
jonoDaemonFC, can't you just remove them using the Ubuntu Software Center?Mar 08 16:27
DaemonFCI prefer Konqueror, so my problem is solved when I get rid of RekonqMar 08 16:27
DaemonFCjono: Ubuntu Desktop depends on everything in the default desktopMar 08 16:27
DaemonFCthat's why you can't remove Banshee and be guaranteed that future updates work rightMar 08 16:27
jonooiaohm, I think your legal reading of consumer protection is incorrect, but I suggest you contact a lawyer to get further information if you need toMar 08 16:27
jonoDaemonFC, right, so if you remove Banshee, it tries to remove ubuntu-desktop?Mar 08 16:28
DaemonFCyesMar 08 16:28
oiaohmjono: Under australian law if taking a percage in a commission that a nother product on shelf someone else is not.  You have to declare it.Mar 08 16:28
DaemonFCmore elegant would be, Ubuntu desktop depends on Banshee -OR- RhythmboxMar 08 16:28
DaemonFCTomboy -OR- GNoteMar 08 16:28
oiaohmjono: Simple fact is what you have done is illegal for Australia and a few other countries.Mar 08 16:28
oiaohmjono: if all distributions were doing the same share setup.Mar 08 16:29
jonoDaemonFC, yeah, I agree that kinda sucksMar 08 16:29
jonoDaemonFC, is there a bug filed about this?Mar 08 16:29
oiaohmjono: There would be no legal problem here.  Mar 08 16:29
DaemonFCno, because it doesn't affect me (Kubuntu)Mar 08 16:29
oiaohmjono: difference  to the whole cause big problems.  Mar 08 16:29
DaemonFCand Kubuntu already does the right thing with Rekonq v KonquerorMar 08 16:29
jonoDaemonFC, it might be worth filing a bug and mailing ubuntu-desktop about it - I think it is great feedbackMar 08 16:29
oiaohmjono: and kinda have to be declared Mar 08 16:29
jonooiaohm, I don't believe it is illigal - but IANALMar 08 16:30
DaemonFCjono: File it on ubuntu or ubuntu-desktop?Mar 08 16:30
oiaohmjono: most revenue is a counstant.Mar 08 16:30
oiaohmjono: this issue does not come up.Mar 08 16:30
oiaohmjono:  Its that you did different sharing to everyone else.Mar 08 16:30
jonoDaemonFC, file it against ubuntu but maybe post to the ubuntu-desktop mailing list about itMar 08 16:31
DaemonFCIn Kubuntu's case, I think Rekonq is more flashy and appealing to a typical desktop user, but Konqueror is far more powerfulMar 08 16:31
DaemonFCthey didn't deny me Konqueror and say use Rekonq or find a new distoMar 08 16:31
DaemonFCor "You must have Rekonq on your system even if it's useless to you"Mar 08 16:32
DaemonFClikewise, I think Ubuntu has overlooked all the great improvements in Rhythmbox latelyMar 08 16:32
DaemonFCin favor of BansheeMar 08 16:32
DaemonFCRhythmbox's new Last.FM plug-in is already superiorMar 08 16:32
DaemonFCBanshee seems to like to trip up and say "Gstreamer needs a plugin for text/html"Mar 08 16:33
DaemonFCrandomly :)Mar 08 16:33
oiaohmjono: Australia fairtrade/counsumer protection laws.   Are strict on issues of altered paths of sharing.   Like of a maker starts selling on line direct and does not take the comission that its sellers have they land in trouble two.Mar 08 16:34
DaemonFCI really hate their API 2.0, it's a paywall that glitches a lot more often than the old Radio APIMar 08 16:34
oiaohmjono: its the one that changes away from expected is in trouble by fairtrading.Mar 08 16:34
jonosorry guys, I have to get back to workMar 08 16:34
DaemonFCit doesn't seem to affect Amarok or Clementine that way thoughMar 08 16:34
jonospeak soon, take careMar 08 16:34
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 16:34
jono:-)Mar 08 16:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: Attending memorial service for Jim Travers, journalist extraordinaire...Mar 08 16:35
oiaohmDaemonFC: I have enfored verbal contracts before.Mar 08 16:36
oiaohmDaemonFC: Having them on video and tape.Mar 08 16:36
oiaohmKinda makes them stick.Mar 08 16:36
oiaohmYes the idoit though a contract had to be written on paper.  DaemonFCMar 08 16:37
Ender2070if you have evidenceMar 08 16:41
Ender2070i'd argue your video and tape is fakeMar 08 16:41
oiaohmYes can try that.Mar 08 16:43
Ender2070very easy to fake that stuffMar 08 16:43
oiaohmExcept for the fact I did not record the video.Mar 08 16:43
Ender2070who did?Mar 08 16:44
oiaohmThe guy who was paid to cover the event.Mar 08 16:44
oiaohmYes a independant with nothing to gain from the contract either way.Mar 08 16:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] why am i getting an error when i try to leave !lo ? tired of minecraft posts.Mar 08 16:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] I was an avionics mechanic in the army; I find this terrifying: iPads could replace paper charts in airline cockpits http://ur1.ca/3fe7uMar 08 16:45
oiaohmSame rules apply.  You need a witness. For a contract to be valid.  Ender2070Mar 08 16:46
oiaohmIe that there was no duress or other interference.Mar 08 16:46
Ender2070good stuffMar 08 16:46
oiaohmObey contract law and the contract can be done on any media you like.Mar 08 16:47
oiaohmAnd 100 percent binding.Mar 08 16:47
oiaohmMost countries contract laws don't mention paper requirement.Mar 08 16:48
Ender2070yes that is trueMar 08 16:48
Ender2070it just happens to be the best evidenceMar 08 16:48
oiaohmMy case evidence was insanely solid.Mar 08 16:49
Ender2070my girlfriend for example was able to get out of a Fido contractMar 08 16:49
Ender2070they lost proof of her signatureMar 08 16:49
oiaohmYou can also attempt to claim you signed a written contract under duress and other things.Mar 08 16:50
oiaohmOn video that is a little hard.Mar 08 16:50
Ender2070oh yesMar 08 16:50
Ender2070thats the best oneMar 08 16:50
Ender2070you use it on copsMar 08 16:50
DaemonFChttp://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.38-rc8-natty/Mar 08 16:50
Ender2070when they make you sign a ticketMar 08 16:50
DaemonFCover 10 megs of patch against mainline?Mar 08 16:51
DaemonFCsweet jesusMar 08 16:51
Ender2070if the contract is non negotiable, its an adhesion contractMar 08 16:52
Ender2070most cell providers use adhesion contractsMar 08 16:52
oiaohmI normally use the video solution with people who normally fight there way out of contracts.Mar 08 16:52
oiaohmI use to do debt collection for a while.Mar 08 16:52
oiaohmSo you get all the bad kinds in there.Mar 08 16:52
Ender2070oh god, you're the devil?Mar 08 16:53
DaemonFCEnder2070: I can only imagine what level of Hell should be reserved for debt collectors Mar 08 16:53
DaemonFCthey deserve worse than drug dealersMar 08 16:54
Ender2070yeah exactlyMar 08 16:54
Ender2070every one i've ever dealt with has broken the lawMar 08 16:54
DaemonFCsome people like drugs, nobody likes a debt collectorMar 08 16:54
oiaohmReally I was fairly nice.Mar 08 16:54
oiaohmI would normally go armed with a solution that would get them out of debt in under 3 years.Mar 08 16:54
Ender2070these people were nice tooMar 08 16:54
oiaohmlegally and above board.Mar 08 16:54
Ender2070well good stuffMar 08 16:54
Ender2070you're not even in north america rightMar 08 16:54
oiaohmBut to get a person out of debt that way they have to stick to contracts.Mar 08 16:55
oiaohmNot say hey we will do this then 4 months latter not doing anything.Mar 08 16:55
oiaohmBasically debt collector comes to your door the best way to piss them off is lieMar 08 16:56
oiaohmThen they wonder why debt collectors start taking assets and other items.Mar 08 16:56
oiaohmWe don't want to have todo that.Mar 08 16:56
Ender2070in canada, its illegal to use legal threats, its illegal to call more than twice a week, its illegal to call a cell phone, its illegal to contact you if you've notified them you didnt receive a noticeMar 08 16:56
oiaohmIn most cases.Mar 08 16:56
Ender2070and if you say 'i dispute the charge'Mar 08 16:57
Ender2070they can't call you ever againMar 08 16:57
oiaohmEnder2070: Normally first thing I was offer off the start line 1 interest free payback.Mar 08 16:57
oiaohmAnd sometimes even only having to pay back percentage of the debt.Mar 08 16:58
oiaohmReally really nice.Mar 08 16:58
oiaohmAnd if the debt was wrong.  I would sue the person who gave me an invalid debt.Mar 08 16:58
Ender2070yeah here they just send it back to the companyMar 08 16:59
Ender2070if they persue it they are acting illegallyMar 08 16:59
oiaohmBasically I get paid if its valid or invalid.Mar 08 16:59
oiaohmSo when I first knock on the door I am not there to be a prick.Mar 08 16:59
Ender2070im still dealing with a collection agency for bell canadaMar 08 16:59
Ender2070im considering serving them before they serve meMar 08 16:59
Ender2070in a public cell phone pavilion in front of customersMar 08 17:00
oiaohmI don't know canada rules on invalid collection orders.Mar 08 17:00
Ender2070if its invalidMar 08 17:00
Ender2070you say it isMar 08 17:00
Ender2070and they have to leave you aloneMar 08 17:00
Ender2070they go back to the company and get a refundMar 08 17:00
oiaohmI mean for the collection agency.Mar 08 17:01
oiaohmIe do they still get paid.Mar 08 17:01
oiaohmSome countries sux.Mar 08 17:01
Ender2070im not sureMar 08 17:01
oiaohmIe collection agency does not get paid if its invalid.Mar 08 17:01
oiaohmAnd those countries have bad debt collectors.Mar 08 17:01
Ender2070they probably get their money backMar 08 17:01
oiaohmUSA in particular suxs.Mar 08 17:01
Ender2070yeahMar 08 17:02
oiaohmSince debt collecting over there works on the bounty system.Mar 08 17:02
oiaohmOnly paid if collect.Mar 08 17:02
Ender2070every debt collector i've ever dealt with in Canada has acted illegallyMar 08 17:02
oiaohmAnd the debt was valid.Mar 08 17:02
Ender2070never valid debts eitherMar 08 17:02
oiaohmor invalidMar 08 17:02
Ender2070all of them bell canada, even a few years agoMar 08 17:02
Ender2070i had their wimax service for less than 30 days and got rid of itMar 08 17:02
Ender2070they charged me twice to cancel, instead of charging me nothing, then refused to say why i owed them money and went to a collection agencyMar 08 17:03
oiaohmSo australian collection agents are required to check out with person in first visit if the debt is valid.Mar 08 17:03
oiaohmAnd if not get evendence proving it.Mar 08 17:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Maybe this is why the Americans want to keep their prison population high - slave labor: http://bit.ly/eXiIu9Mar 08 17:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Why Software Defaults Are Important & Benchmarked: Almost every time benchmarks are published on Phoronix, there... http://bit.ly/hdROsoMar 08 17:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Game On Spotlight: Favimon http://mzl.la/hxUxyIMar 08 17:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] alrighty, the #Discworld blog post http://tighturl.com/2zqkMar 08 17:03
oiaohmReally debt collectors here are hated but normally only by the gulity.Mar 08 17:03
oiaohmCredit card debt collection has to be my most fun I did.Mar 08 17:04
oiaohmMost case people only end up having to pay 10 percent of there card limit to clear the debt and agree not to have a credit card for 10 years.Mar 08 17:05
oiaohmThat is of course if they don't fight it.   Ender2070Mar 08 17:05
Ender2070LOLMar 08 17:07
Ender2070seriously?Mar 08 17:07
DaemonFCI'm trying to dig up all of Ubuntu's AppArmor patches to apply to my kernelMar 08 17:07
DaemonFC:PMar 08 17:07
Ender2070we have debt consolidators who do similar things but without the agreement not to have a credit cardMar 08 17:07
Ender2070you just go on a long term fixed payment contractMar 08 17:07
oiaohmEnder2070: the banks here are on board.Mar 08 17:07
Ender2070but you end up paying like half your credit card debtMar 08 17:07
oiaohmFair trading laws again in AustraliaMar 08 17:07
oiaohmThe banks had breached there duity of care letting a person get massively into debt.Mar 08 17:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Uurrrggh. 2nd time mconline.sg hangs on w7 machine and son angered by not being able to submit hwork. FAIL! #fbMar 08 17:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @creativecommons Imaginary Foundation just released a collaborative tshirt for Larry @Lessig's REMIX. Check it out! http://bit.ly/f8tWnUMar 08 17:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] #social #harmony my ass! #WTF is wrong... saw somebody being stabbed near the busstop/subwayMar 08 17:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @nearyd Also ironic that the next Ubuntu release is yet again a cat (remind you of anyone?) And Dali's pet, no less!Mar 08 17:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] just guessing this won't have endeared the defendant to the Judge's good books http://tighturl.com/2zqmMar 08 17:08
oiaohmYes getting a credit card here is not exactly simple.  Ender2070Mar 08 17:09
oiaohmSince the bank might be stuck with the debt.Mar 08 17:09
oiaohmThat long term payment contract from the debt collectors.   They are making like 80 percent on that if you pay 50 percent at least in most  cases.  Ender2070Mar 08 17:10
oiaohmNow of course of someone trys to break the payment contract or something like that.   Debt collectors have to turn nasty.  Ender2070Mar 08 17:11
oiaohmEnder2070: we always try to leave a person with a roof over there head and means to goto work and earn money.Mar 08 17:12
oiaohmEnder2070: swaping a bmw for a 10 year old cheap car with patchwork paint.  Did not go down well for some reason.Mar 08 17:13
DaemonFCWalmart decided to up my credit limit by $400Mar 08 17:13
DaemonFChehMar 08 17:13
oiaohmI have done that.Mar 08 17:13
oiaohmperson who was in debt massively.Mar 08 17:13
oiaohmhad almost brand new bmw Mar 08 17:13
oiaohmSo got permission to collect.Mar 08 17:14
DaemonFCoiaohm: I put stuff on the card and pay it right backMar 08 17:14
DaemonFCno interest, builds creditMar 08 17:14
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oiaohmDoing that you will never see a debt collector.  DaemonFCMar 08 17:14
DaemonFCnot for that anywayMar 08 17:14
oiaohmDebt collectors are not cheep.Mar 08 17:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] TIP for foreigners in !China: when you see something bad happen, just keep walking. Else you might end up being accused of it! #moneyMar 08 17:15
DaemonFCmedical bills ruined my credit ratingMar 08 17:15
DaemonFCso now I'm trying to build it back up brick by brickMar 08 17:15
DaemonFC:PMar 08 17:15
oiaohmmedical is something I never would debt collect on.Mar 08 17:15
oiaohmUnless it was comsemtic.Mar 08 17:15
DaemonFCI did have a 750Mar 08 17:15
DaemonFCnow it's in the 500sMar 08 17:15
DaemonFCthanks to getting sickMar 08 17:15
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 17:15
oiaohmYes you can guess why.  I am male.Mar 08 17:15
DaemonFCin the US, a person who defaults on a credit card full of plasma TVs and video games is considered as irresponsible as someone who had to have their appendix removed and jsut didn't have insuranceMar 08 17:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Happy International Women’s Day - Indie "This Magazine" reminds us why it's still important: http://ur1.ca/3ffcrMar 08 17:16
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 17:16
oiaohmThere was a female debt collector who use to handle medical caused debt.Mar 08 17:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] And here is Umair Haque's interesting take on "The United States of Charlie Sheen" http://ur1.ca/3ffeb #notfollowing charlieMar 08 17:18
oiaohmYes she was good at the charm.   Mostly to use against the place that had the debt.Mar 08 17:18
oiaohmNormally she could get it down to cost of the hardware used in the treatment.  Mar 08 17:19
oiaohmDaemonFC: Yes good debt collectors are double way weasles.Mar 08 17:19
oiaohmI was good at talking to banks and businesses and getting them to drop to resonable terms that I had a chance of collecting on.Mar 08 17:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Gentoo Linux 11.0 LiveDVD Released: While stable, tagged releases really aren't important to Gentoo users due to... http://bit.ly/i0ZB9xMar 08 17:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Google Releases VP8 Bali Codec SDK: Google has released a new version of its open VP8 codec. This new version, w... http://bit.ly/dIZZqUMar 08 17:20
DaemonFCis there a patch for ureadahead somewhere? :)Mar 08 17:20
oiaohmOk that patch name is not meaning anything to me.  What does it do.  DaemonFCMar 08 17:21
DaemonFCit's a readahead daemon Ubuntu usesMar 08 17:22
DaemonFCneeds a kernel patchMar 08 17:22
oiaohmGod no.Mar 08 17:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter Only reason I've heard of discworld is from my kid :D (Made me read one too... the postman always rings twice or something)Mar 08 17:25
oiaohmhttps://fedorahosted.org/readahead/  Most like this one.Mar 08 17:25
oiaohmBut it don't start with UMar 08 17:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Open Web Apps, Join Mozilla, Web O’ Wonder and more… http://bit.ly/feXFXnMar 08 17:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] << time for dinner & then back to the grind #amproofingMar 08 17:28
DaemonFCoh well, I found the apparmor patchesMar 08 17:32
Ender2070perhaps its UBUNTUreadaheadMar 08 17:39
DaemonFCperhaps I'll just do what I always do and disable the userspace part so it doesn't bitch at meMar 08 17:39
DaemonFCif it does make the boot faster I can't tellMar 08 17:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @rebelk0de: French gov't gives more details of hack: 150 PCs compromised http://bit.ly/gqQYAEMar 08 17:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #Rightwing's idea of small govt: keep the yachts, fire the janitors.Mar 08 17:40
DaemonFCI just thought that since I was being industrious and looking for the apparmor patches, I'd try to find a ureadahead patchMar 08 17:40
Ender2070apparmor is bullshitMar 08 17:42
Ender2070SELinux is wayyyyy more intuitiveMar 08 17:42
DaemonFCVideo For Linux 1 has been removedMar 08 17:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: The Duke & the Despot | Mail http://is.gd/jTPHs7 !wlMar 08 17:46
DaemonFCoiaohm: Do I want old ALSA API support?Mar 08 17:47
DaemonFChmmmMar 08 17:47
oiaohmModern distribution normally no.Mar 08 17:47
oiaohmBut ubuntu I don't know how insane they are.Mar 08 17:47
DaemonFClooks like that API is from late 2002 and earlierMar 08 17:48
DaemonFCit's on in UbuntuMar 08 17:48
*DaemonFC kills itMar 08 17:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #TomCruise, farmer? In #Colorado, some famous faces, names get ag-land #tax breaks http://ur1.ca/3fftd #wtf #wrongMar 08 17:50
DaemonFCdoesn't look like I need to build any staging driversMar 08 17:50
DaemonFCThey have transparent hugepage support turned off!Mar 08 17:57
DaemonFComgMar 08 17:57
oiaohmReally no valid reason to.Mar 08 17:58
oiaohmthinking you can turn it off in proc if it causes issues.Mar 08 17:58
DaemonFCdynamic ticks on or off?Mar 08 17:58
DaemonFCseen this debated a lotMar 08 17:58
DaemonFCit's basically latency vs power useMar 08 17:58
DaemonFCright?Mar 08 17:58
oiaohmLaptop dynamic ticks on.Mar 08 17:58
oiaohmNo question.Mar 08 17:59
DaemonFCyeahMar 08 17:59
oiaohmlatency it really don't change much.Mar 08 17:59
DaemonFCit's a lot of latency and doesn't seem to save much powerMar 08 17:59
oiaohmSome applications are don't set there wake up requirements correctly.Mar 08 17:59
DaemonFCI usually disable dynamic ticks and set HZ=300Mar 08 18:00
oiaohmcurrent day up today coding standard programs dynamic ticks on have no negitive effects.Mar 08 18:00
DaemonFCreasonable right?Mar 08 18:00
oiaohmYou have the idea that a dynamic tick is bad.Mar 08 18:00
oiaohmMost of the time is good.Mar 08 18:00
oiaohmFirst generations dynamic tick patch were not smart enough DaemonFCMar 08 18:02
oiaohmCurrent ones if your program uses something like a high res timer it really stops being dynamic.Mar 08 18:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[hisdudeness/@hisdudeness] Will Anonymous Bradley #Manning rächen?: Das Internet-Kollektiv #Anonymous bewies in den letzten Monaten.. http://bit.ly/ew8Wk4 !wl !anonopsMar 08 18:06
oiaohmhttp://lwn.net/Articles/223185/  Alteration in 2007 made the difference.  DaemonFCMar 08 18:06
oiaohmClockevents anything that needs a clock event by interp at a particular time simply asks for it.Mar 08 18:07
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oiaohmSo you don't need a interp ticking away over and over again.  Waking the system up just to go back to sleep.Mar 08 18:08
Diablo-D3[08:50:00] -TRIdentica/#techrights- [lamm/@lamm] #TomCruise, farmer? In #Colorado, some famous faces, names get ag-land #tax breaks http://ur1.ca/3fftd #wtf #wrongMar 08 18:11
Diablo-D3what and no one bitches about how hes a mass murderer?Mar 08 18:11
DaemonFCI'm in love with Katey!!!!Mar 08 18:11
*DaemonFC jumps up and down on the couchMar 08 18:12
DaemonFCGRAWWWWWW!!!!Mar 08 18:12
DaemonFCXenu will return!!!Mar 08 18:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Kibaki ‘set Raila up’ in Migingo dispute | Daily Nation http://is.gd/jIgR4I http://bit.ly/iczYXSMar 08 18:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: WikiLeaks: The Duke & the Despot | Mail http://is.gd/jTPHs7 http://bit.ly/hQcNDkMar 08 18:13
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DaemonFCI'm guessing it was the apparmor patchesMar 08 18:18
DaemonFCthey touched the file that it failed onMar 08 18:18
DaemonFCscrew itMar 08 18:18
DaemonFCnext go I just disable apparmorMar 08 18:18
DaemonFCgrab the SELinux Targeted policyMar 08 18:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Who's Behind NVIDIA's 3D Vision Linux Work?: One of the features that's supported by NVIDIA's binary Linux drive... http://bit.ly/fGYxoLMar 08 18:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @x11r5 @maverick Today is a republican state. I have a dayMar 08 18:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] good point on #Mintcast #Banshee deal made public by well meaning dev before it was finalised, contributed to it blowing up on #CanonicalMar 08 18:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] off to #nblug for an evening of computer securityMar 08 18:40
DaemonFCI decided to just leave AppArmor out of my kernelMar 08 18:40
DaemonFCI will use SELinux Targeted insteadMar 08 18:40
GoForbes28DaemonFC: Hi againMar 08 18:49
GoForbes28How would you rate the stability of Fedora?Mar 08 18:49
oiaohmBetter than ubuntu worse than scientific linux  and centos.Mar 08 18:50
GoForbes28CentOS makes senseMar 08 18:51
GoForbes28I never really got the point of Scientific LinuxMar 08 18:51
GoForbes28Fedora has XFCE 4.8 - cool :)Mar 08 18:52
DaemonFCScientific Linux is better than CentOSMar 08 18:53
DaemonFCthey have a nice contrib repo and they release a lot fasterMar 08 18:53
oiaohmScientific Linux has cern and other big Scientific enities behind it so is way better funded then centos.  GoForbes28Mar 08 18:54
DaemonFCyou shouldn't use Enterprise Linux at all if you're not comfortable with a compiler, because some things just aren't there at allMar 08 18:54
DaemonFCand you shouldn't use it unless you know how to manage incompatible yum reposMar 08 18:54
GoForbes28RHEL?  Overkill in one sense for my laptopMar 08 18:54
DaemonFCbecause those community repos all have different versions of different RPMsMar 08 18:54
DaemonFCScientific and CentOS are RHEL with different artworkMar 08 18:54
DaemonFCfor the most partMar 08 18:54
GoForbes28Or do you mean Enterprise Linux in a general sense?Mar 08 18:55
oiaohmRHEL and Scientific are almost blood bothers.Mar 08 18:55
GoForbes28Well, so is Oracle LinuxMar 08 18:55
DaemonFCyeah, generic term is Enterprise LinuxMar 08 18:55
DaemonFCor ELMar 08 18:55
GoForbes28Is Fedora Enterprise?\Mar 08 18:55
oiaohmSince redhat uses Scientific parts in places.Mar 08 18:55
DaemonFCnoMar 08 18:55
oiaohmFedora is testing.Mar 08 18:55
DaemonFCFedora is a testbed for stuff that eventually becomes Enterprise LinuxMar 08 18:55
oiaohmFedora is ment to be at a level that should send people running screaming away fromMar 08 18:55
oiaohmdue to instablity.Mar 08 18:55
DaemonFCFedora is not unstable, usuallyMar 08 18:56
DaemonFCdon't flip on the test updates and you'll be fine, probably :)Mar 08 18:56
oiaohmyet Ubuntu what is ment to be a production release is more unstable than FedoraMar 08 18:56
DaemonFCbugs in Fedora come as quickly as they goMar 08 18:56
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 18:56
DaemonFCbut it's the price you pay for being On THe Edge(R)Mar 08 18:56
oiaohmThis is what you call a failure to product a production release if you cannot beat Fedora.Mar 08 18:57
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GoForbes28I would think Arch is more on the edgeMar 08 18:57
oiaohmArch is more stable than ubuntuMar 08 18:57
GoForbes28Or aptosid, or GentooMar 08 18:57
DaemonFCoiaohm: I traced the build failure back to Ubuntu's GCC 4.5Mar 08 18:57
oiaohmBasically almost every other distribution is more stable.Mar 08 18:57
GoForbes28Fedora seems more "mainstream" than those :)Mar 08 18:57
DaemonFCapparently if I set export gcc=gcc4.4, and just use that, it buildsMar 08 18:57
oiaohmGoForbes28: the issue is Ubuntu maintainers are adding too many patched with out independant vetting.Mar 08 18:58
oiaohmUnder the ruses of userfriendlyness.Mar 08 18:58
DaemonFCwonder if GCC 4.6 would build my kernelMar 08 18:58
oiaohmThe most user unfriendly thing you can do is crash.Mar 08 18:58
GoForbes28aka, Mac masturbationMar 08 18:58
DaemonFCI've never had a crash with Enterprise LinuxMar 08 18:59
DaemonFCeverMar 08 18:59
DaemonFCnot even an application crashMar 08 18:59
oiaohmI have had php crash once.Mar 08 18:59
DaemonFCthey make sure everything in it is rock solidMar 08 18:59
oiaohmBut I was doing something really nasty to it.Mar 08 18:59
GoForbes28niceMar 08 18:59
oiaohmOn a enterprie LinuxMar 08 18:59
GoForbes28I would get a Canadian distro, to show my patriotismMar 08 18:59
DaemonFCSLED is a whole different storyMar 08 18:59
oiaohmSLED is still fairly solid.Mar 08 19:00
DaemonFCI've never had good luck with anything that says SuSEMar 08 19:00
GoForbes28if so, my choices are aLinux, Arch, ArchBang, GhostBSD, LFS, OpenBSD, Userful Desktop, and VectorMar 08 19:00
oiaohmOk not a redhat or ScentificMar 08 19:00
oiaohmSLED and Centos are about the same level of stablity.Mar 08 19:01
GoForbes28Would Scientifc work well for general use?Mar 08 19:01
oiaohmEnterprise are not known for having the latest and greats applications.  If you prepared to put up with 12 months to 2 years old applications yes Scientific is more than fine.Mar 08 19:01
DaemonFCdon't use fasttrack/fastbugsMar 08 19:02
GoForbes28Well, if I went with Debian, I'd be facing the same thingMar 08 19:02
DaemonFCit will break your system in subtle waysMar 08 19:02
DaemonFCnot reallyMar 08 19:02
oiaohmOk yes I forgot that one don't endable Scientific testing mode.Mar 08 19:03
DaemonFCyou can use Debian Testing, or Stable with apt-pinningMar 08 19:03
GoForbes28Debian's stable is always behindMar 08 19:03
GoForbes28apt-pinning?Mar 08 19:03
DaemonFCif you're careful, you can maintain a mostly stable system with new packages that you needMar 08 19:03
GoForbes28backports?Mar 08 19:03
DaemonFCnoMar 08 19:03
oiaohmDebian Testing is quite solid.  GoForbes28Mar 08 19:03
DaemonFCApt Pinning lets you prioritize reposMar 08 19:03
oiaohmDebian I really thinks over tests stuff.Mar 08 19:03
GoForbes28interestingMar 08 19:03
DaemonFClike, if I want pidgin from testing, assuming I had pinning set up, I could apt-get -t testing update pidginMar 08 19:04
oiaohmStuff comes into unstable first.Mar 08 19:04
GoForbes28YeahMar 08 19:04
DaemonFCand it would go look in Testing and grab everything Pidgin needsMar 08 19:04
Ender2070[21:58] <GoForbes28> I would get a Canadian distro, to show my patriotismMar 08 19:04
Ender2070ArchMar 08 19:04
GoForbes28Sid->Testing->StableMar 08 19:04
GoForbes28Yeah, I tried ArchMar 08 19:04
oiaohmSo lot of the really bad stuff gets weed out in Sid GoForbes28Mar 08 19:04
GoForbes28too much to one side for meMar 08 19:04
Ender2070OpenBSDMar 08 19:04
DaemonFCTesting is the best place to be if you just don't want a hassle but need a newish systemMar 08 19:04
GoForbes28yep, already listed thatMar 08 19:04
oiaohmAnd I have run sid as well.  GoForbes28Mar 08 19:05
DaemonFCdespite the name it's pretty stableMar 08 19:05
oiaohmSupprisingly its not that bad.Mar 08 19:05
Ender2070I recommend FedoraMar 08 19:05
GoForbes28I guess they prepare you for the worstMar 08 19:05
GoForbes28I tried aptosid, it's a neat distro with an XFCE emphasis, but too annoying to work withMar 08 19:05
oiaohmGoForbes28: the catch is debian does not try to change what the upstream is doing.Mar 08 19:06
oiaohmIf the upstream is crap.Mar 08 19:06
oiaohmReally you should stop using that program and find another.Mar 08 19:06
GoForbes28using what program?Mar 08 19:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] The more I read about #DuckDuckGo, the more I dig it. https://duckduckgo.com/privacy.htmlMar 08 19:06
oiaohmUbuntu on the other hand tries to alter interface and so onMar 08 19:06
oiaohmBecause they don't like how the upstream looks.Mar 08 19:07
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GoForbes28What program were you referring to?Mar 08 19:07
GoForbes28I agree about UbuntuMar 08 19:07
GoForbes28It is a shame that it has become #1Mar 08 19:07
GoForbes28in some senseMar 08 19:07
Ender2070#1 isnt always the bestMar 08 19:07
oiaohmGoForbes28: Its just Mandrake all over again.Mar 08 19:07
oiaohmAnd redhat before them.Mar 08 19:07
Ender2070in fact, #1 can be pretty badMar 08 19:08
GoForbes28yepMar 08 19:08
oiaohmYou have to remember lot of companies have held that number 1 spotMar 08 19:08
GoForbes28Why Honda is in many ways better than Toyota nowMar 08 19:08
GoForbes28I knowMar 08 19:08
Ender2070i dont like to follow the massesMar 08 19:09
GoForbes28Hopefully, ubuntu's recent irratic behaviour will open the door for other distros to shine in the spotlightMar 08 19:09
GoForbes28me neitherMar 08 19:09
GoForbes28the masses just brainlessly run whatever is on their computerMar 08 19:09
Ender2070yeahMar 08 19:09
GoForbes28Windows Vista 7 and Office 2007/2010Mar 08 19:09
GoForbes28or even Microsoft Works 9 FFsMar 08 19:10
Ender2070there are exceptions tooMar 08 19:10
GoForbes28I've seen a few actually runing UbuntuMar 08 19:10
Ender2070generally though, my own rule is if the masses support it, theres something wrongMar 08 19:10
GoForbes28unless it's world peace or somethingMar 08 19:10
GoForbes28unless  that plan for world peace is misleadingMar 08 19:11
Ender2070there would be something wrong with that tooMar 08 19:11
GoForbes28yeah, you're right :)Mar 08 19:11
Ender2070there will always be criticsMar 08 19:11
GoForbes28Until the masses becomes completely rational...\Mar 08 19:11
Ender2070so if you have world peace, its because you removed them ;)Mar 08 19:11
GoForbes28anywhoMar 08 19:11
GoForbes28if blag gets back on track, I'd consider itMar 08 19:11
Ender2070lol blagMar 08 19:12
Ender2070fedora 7 w/ linux libre right?Mar 08 19:12
GoForbes28Using APT instead of what Fedora usesMar 08 19:12
oiaohmHistorically everyone who has held number 1 on distrowatch has fall due to having too many patches to maintain.Mar 08 19:12
GoForbes28now Fedora 14Mar 08 19:12
Ender2070good stuff but i dont care for linux libreMar 08 19:12
GoForbes28They've finally updatedMar 08 19:12
oiaohmThis has even included debian.Mar 08 19:12
Ender2070I run Fedora 14 and Jolibook on my netbookMar 08 19:13
GoForbes28I was looking at Trisquel, but they use too much  GNOME for my taste, do no update frequently enoughMar 08 19:13
Ender2070jolicloud I meanMar 08 19:13
GoForbes28It's high quality for sureMar 08 19:13
GoForbes28Fedora eh?Mar 08 19:13
Ender2070yeahMar 08 19:13
Ender2070they do KDE very wellMar 08 19:13
GoForbes28That seems to be the general choice here :)Mar 08 19:13
GoForbes28KDE too bloated for me, and GNOME is too bloated and stupid proof for meMar 08 19:13
Ender2070well they do GNOME, KDE, LXDE, XFCE all very wellMar 08 19:13
GoForbes28XFCE has really been my only stable choice when it comes to GNU/Linux choicesMar 08 19:14
Ender2070my quad core and 8gb ram laughs at gnome and kdeMar 08 19:14
GoForbes28I think my Corei3 is quadMar 08 19:14
Ender2070i3, might beMar 08 19:14
GoForbes28the setup is a little weird and vagueMar 08 19:14
Ender2070no hyper threadingMar 08 19:14
GoForbes28It lists 4 cores, so I think soMar 08 19:15
GoForbes28Should I care?Mar 08 19:15
Ender2070yeahMar 08 19:15
Ender2070the i7 would show 8 logical processorsMar 08 19:15
GoForbes28yeah, over kill for meMar 08 19:15
Ender2070when you compile software it really showsMar 08 19:15
GoForbes28coming from an Athlon 2100+ with a Radeon 9000 ProMar 08 19:15
GoForbes28For nearly 10 yearsMar 08 19:15
Ender2070i've had this quad core for a number of years nowMar 08 19:16
Ender2070intel q6600Mar 08 19:16
GoForbes28and 512-1gb of ramMar 08 19:16
Ender20702.4ghz OC to 3.0GhzMar 08 19:16
oiaohmReally GoForbes28 its going to be interesting to see how heavy KDE 4.x remains when at long last we get a C++ complier than can work in the next version of gccMar 08 19:16
GoForbes28DaemonFC: I ran Windows XP x64 for shits and giggles, and that's what I receivedMar 08 19:16
GoForbes28in a virtual machine, of courseMar 08 19:16
Ender2070oiaohm - what?Mar 08 19:17
Ender2070g++ has been there for yearsMar 08 19:17
GoForbes28oiaohm: even so, KDE always seemed too gimmick riddenMar 08 19:17
GoForbes28XFCE just works for me, and is much lighter than any other mainstream desktop environmentMar 08 19:18
Ender2070KDE is my own preferenceMar 08 19:18
GoForbes28I would take KDE over GNOME thoughMar 08 19:18
Ender2070I used to use Gnome and XFCEMar 08 19:18
Ender2070till KDE 4.2Mar 08 19:18
GoForbes28XFCE I think is the future replacement for GNOMEMar 08 19:18
oiaohmEnder2070: really yes g++ is a C++ complier but it has not been able to optimise c++ code.Mar 08 19:19
GoForbes28Considering GNOME's developers are becoming as irratic as Ubuntu, plus of course the looming Mono stenchMar 08 19:19
Ender2070oiaohm - i call shenangiansMar 08 19:19
GoForbes28XFCE and Mono do not mix and never willMar 08 19:19
Ender2070its been doing c++0x stuff before the standard came outMar 08 19:19
oiaohmEnder2070:  Remember I said optimsie not do but generate crappy code.Mar 08 19:20
Ender2070sourcesMar 08 19:20
GoForbes28Ender2070: What is your opinion of LXDE?Mar 08 19:20
Ender2070goforbes28 never used itMar 08 19:20
oiaohmEnder2070: C++ inline functions and virtual tables are now privatized more aggressively, leading to better inter-procedural optimization and faster dynamic linking.  << That change in 4.6Mar 08 19:20
oiaohmgcc 4.6Mar 08 19:20
GoForbes28AFAI can tell, it's nothing more than an XFCE derivative with openboxMar 08 19:20
Ender2070I haven't bothered to get off of KDE, other than my netbookMar 08 19:20
GoForbes28meaning if you run openbox with XFCE, you get comparable performanceMar 08 19:21
oiaohmEnder2070: MSVC and Borland compliers were doing that in 1996Mar 08 19:21
Ender2070im not sure what jolicloud actually usesMar 08 19:21
GoForbes28jolicloud is what again?Mar 08 19:21
GoForbes28ohMar 08 19:21
Ender2070a light netbook osMar 08 19:21
Ender2070built out of chromiumMar 08 19:22
GoForbes28for some reason, I was thinking a Free DropBox cloneMar 08 19:22
GoForbes28chromium with the privacy problems removed?  ;) Mar 08 19:22
oiaohmEnder2070: Static constructors and destructors from individual units are inlined into a single function. This can significantly improve startup times of large C++ applications where static constructors are very common. For example, static constructors are used when including the iostream header. << Also something other C++ compliers have been doing forever.Mar 08 19:22
Ender2070i'd love to have jolicloud on top of FedoraMar 08 19:22
Ender2070instead of its own ubuntu forkMar 08 19:22
Ender2070goforbes28 - lol less issues than fireexploitMar 08 19:22
oiaohmEnder2070: If it works well we should see some real size sheding of lot of C++ programs.Mar 08 19:23
GoForbes28Firefox hasn't had any privacy problems to my knowledge, except for the  Google search barMar 08 19:23
Ender2070KDE was already faster than Gnome tooMar 08 19:23
Ender2070damnMar 08 19:23
Ender2070goforbes28 -im not paranoid of googleMar 08 19:24
GoForbes28I'm adequately skepticalMar 08 19:24
Ender2070the people you have to worry about can already decode encryptionMar 08 19:24
GoForbes28I appreciate what they do for Free software, but I'm not turning a blind, non-criticizing eye towards themMar 08 19:24
Ender2070even the low level FBI uses PS3 beowulf clusters to crack TrueCrypt volumesMar 08 19:25
oiaohmEnder2070: KDE faster than Gnome and the complier is tying one hand behind KDE back.Mar 08 19:25
Ender2070goforbes28 - im not eitherMar 08 19:25
Ender2070goforbes28 - just look at how the browser is designed though. the code is open for people to look for google spyware. the design itself is superior because each tab gets its own process. this also benefits from multi core processorsMar 08 19:26
Ender2070each thread can be allocated to a seperate coreMar 08 19:26
oiaohmGoForbes28:  at the rate sony going FBI will not be able to get replacement parts.Mar 08 19:26
GoForbes28I wouldn't say the design is superiorMar 08 19:26
Ender2070i wouldMar 08 19:26
Ender2070everything in firefox runs in a single processMar 08 19:26
GoForbes28It takes up more meryMar 08 19:26
Ender2070thats terrible, and i've had friends get hackedMar 08 19:26
GoForbes28memoryMar 08 19:26
Ender2070im not worried about memoryMar 08 19:27
Ender2070im still using less ram than win7, vistaMar 08 19:27
Ender2070and my 8gb is laughingMar 08 19:27
GoForbes28True enoughMar 08 19:27
Ender2070i'd rather take the speedMar 08 19:27
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Ender2070firefox is so slowMar 08 19:27
oiaohmEnder2070: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis  you are almost out of date with that multi process comment.Mar 08 19:27
GoForbes28Still, I think running plugins in a seperate process will improve stability sufficiently without the need to run every tab as a seperate processMar 08 19:28
Ender2070firefox4Mar 08 19:28
Ender2070not out yetMar 08 19:28
oiaohmRead closer.  Ender2070Mar 08 19:28
GoForbes28Firefox 4 works fine in betaMar 08 19:28
GoForbes28seems to be much faster and improved in many areasMar 08 19:28
Ender2070Out-of-process tabs [sic] for Fennec is utilized in the Mobile Firefox 4.0 betas, and will ship with the final version in March 2011.Mar 08 19:28
oiaohmOut-of-process plugins (OOPP) has shipped in Firefox 3.6.4  << even the old 3 was no longer 1 process for everything.Mar 08 19:28
Ender2070PLUGINSMar 08 19:29
oiaohmAs I said almost out of date.Mar 08 19:29
Ender2070yeah well chrome had this 2 years agoMar 08 19:29
Ender2070plus i boycott mozilla for other reasonsMar 08 19:29
GoForbes28Chrome also has a ridiculous interface in my humble opinionMar 08 19:29
oiaohmBut its not 1 process for everything.  Ender2070Mar 08 19:29
Ender2070trademark policy and the suggestion to use bingMar 08 19:29
GoForbes28It's almost like the GNOME of web browsersMar 08 19:30
oiaohm1 process for everything bar the plugins.Mar 08 19:30
oiaohmAnd the reason why plugins are firstMar 08 19:30
oiaohmIs flash.Mar 08 19:30
Ender2070i want each tab in its own processMar 08 19:30
Ender2070my coresMar 08 19:30
oiaohmYou still want flash in independant processes to tabs of course.Mar 08 19:30
Ender2070i dont really want flash at allMar 08 19:31
oiaohmIf you have to use it.Mar 08 19:31
Ender2070bah that will changeMar 08 19:31
Ender2070i can already use youtube with webm in chromium on fedoraMar 08 19:31
Ender2070since 13Mar 08 19:31
Ender2070long before firefox supported webmMar 08 19:32
Ender2070all of these little things add up in my mindMar 08 19:32
Ender2070firefox is fine for other peopleMar 08 19:32
oiaohmHmm does chrome have independant processes for extentions?Mar 08 19:32
Ender2070a lot of firefox users have specific addons they can't live withoutMar 08 19:32
oiaohmThe firefox after 4.x gets independant processes for extentions.Mar 08 19:33
Ender2070alrightMar 08 19:33
Ender2070but im not ok with how slow firefox takes to add new thingsMar 08 19:33
Ender2070chrome is already at version 10Mar 08 19:33
oiaohmFine  but to add them was a complete rewrite of core.Mar 08 19:33
Ender2070a shitty coreMar 08 19:34
Ender2070a legacy of crap code from NetscapeMar 08 19:34
oiaohmchrome had the good luck of being able to start with a blank slate.Mar 08 19:34
Ender2070yesMar 08 19:34
Ender2070exactlyMar 08 19:34
oiaohmBut major changes to chrome in future could be headaches as well.Mar 08 19:34
DaemonFCFirefox is a mixed bagMar 08 19:34
Ender2070firefox was better when it was phoenix and wasnt bloated like it is nowMar 08 19:34
DaemonFCXUL is bloated but it lets extensions do a lot more than they can in ChromeMar 08 19:35
Ender2070chrome managed to add more without slowing down the browserMar 08 19:35
DaemonFCfrom what I understand, chrome extensions can only be built with a subset of JavascriptMar 08 19:35
oiaohmEnder2070: chrome is multi threading.Mar 08 19:35
oiaohmFirefox was not.Mar 08 19:35
Ender2070look at pwn2own tooMar 08 19:35
oiaohmAnd yes luck of multi threads hurts.Mar 08 19:35
DaemonFCand Webkit2 is going to be multithreaded in a way that Chrome isn'tMar 08 19:35
DaemonFCso wonderful, we have more forks and less just getting alongMar 08 19:36
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 19:36
Ender2070forks are healthyMar 08 19:36
Ender2070imoMar 08 19:36
DaemonFCis that why Apple couldn't work on Webkit in the open?Mar 08 19:36
oiaohmFirefox is trying to catch up.Mar 08 19:36
GoForbes28Will I cause a ruckus if I mention Opera?Mar 08 19:37
Ender2070nahMar 08 19:37
Ender2070other than it being proprietaryMar 08 19:37
oiaohmBasically chrome caught firefox hopping.Mar 08 19:37
GoForbes28Too bad too, because they fight so hard for open standardsMar 08 19:37
Ender2070if it was open source, i'd consider opera a lot moreMar 08 19:37
GoForbes28and they actually innovateMar 08 19:37
Ender2070opera does kick ass thoughMar 08 19:37
Ender2070very low footprintMar 08 19:37
oiaohmopera is not hostile.Mar 08 19:38
GoForbes28Because they are a small firm and therefore have not bitten the profit-over-everything-else bugMar 08 19:38
oiaohmIE is hostile to standards.Mar 08 19:38
Ender2070i dunnoMar 08 19:38
GoForbes28Opera is hostile to not meeting standardsMar 08 19:38
Ender2070opera wanted a browser ballot on linuxMar 08 19:38
GoForbes28Really?  Link?Mar 08 19:38
oiaohmthey gained market share when it happened on windows.Mar 08 19:38
GoForbes28I can understand Windows, because it has an unremovable, bundled security risk of a browserMar 08 19:39
GoForbes28Though that could be because of successful recent releasesMar 08 19:39
GoForbes2810 and 11Mar 08 19:39
Ender2070http://www.osnews.com/story/21897/Opera_Apple_Ubuntu_Should_Include_Browser_Ballot_Screen_TooMar 08 19:39
GoForbes28ok, they are being overzealousMar 08 19:40
GoForbes28Having in this on Windows was a reasonable course of actionMar 08 19:41
Ender2070good quoteMar 08 19:41
Ender2070"Open your code, Lie, and then we can talk about getting you into Debian, Fedora, et. al."Mar 08 19:41
GoForbes28"Lie"?Mar 08 19:41
Ender2070the dude from OperaMar 08 19:41
Ender2070Håkon Wium LieMar 08 19:41
DaemonFCa lot of Opera is open sourceMar 08 19:45
DaemonFCopera:about and you'll seeMar 08 19:46
DaemonFCthey give back some code, when the license says they have to or when it suits themMar 08 19:46
DaemonFCno sense maintaining a tree of patches if you can upstream them Mar 08 19:47
oiaohmthere is not a browser in the market who does not use open source somewhere.  Mar 08 19:50
DaemonFCeven Idiot Exploiter?Mar 08 19:50
oiaohmEven internet explorer it could not render png or jpeg without the open source libraries.Mar 08 19:51
DaemonFCWhich Linux should I put on a laptop with 1 GB RAM, a Radeon 200m, and a Sempron 3100+?Mar 08 19:52
DaemonFCmy brother's computer died so I'm going to give him my old laptopMar 08 19:52
DaemonFCbuy a new oneMar 08 19:52
oiaohmI would livecd it first.Mar 08 19:52
oiaohmSome of those devices have bios hell.Mar 08 19:53
DaemonFCIs there a minimal desktop that wouldn't make a normal person gouge out their eyes?Mar 08 19:53
oiaohmlxde?Mar 08 19:53
DaemonFChehMar 08 19:53
DaemonFCI might just slap Xubuntu 11.04 on thereMar 08 19:53
oiaohmhttp://lxde.org/image/tid/1  DaemonFCMar 08 19:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Now sitting at KDE conf, we will be having a good fun today.. #kdeindia !kdeindiaMar 08 20:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Optimizing Memory Usage for Home Dash http://mzl.la/fyUw6lMar 08 20:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] HTML5 won't destroy the Intertubes... it already has http://ur1.ca/3fhz6Mar 08 20:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Law That Removes Works from the Public Domain http://ur1.ca/3f5eaMar 08 20:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Pic of main hall, KDE Conf - 2011- #kdeindia #kdeconf http://www.flickr.com/photos/nsisodiya/5511349834/Mar 08 20:16
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DaemonFCInformation[    13.028] (**) RADEON(0): Option "ColorTiling" "on"Mar 08 20:21
DaemonFCInformation[    13.076] (II) RADEON(0): KMS Color Tiling: enabledMar 08 20:21
DaemonFCsweetMar 08 20:22
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 20:22
Ender2070jolicloudMar 08 20:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] I think !confkdein is the tag for the conf. !kdeindia !kdeconfMar 08 20:31
DaemonFChttp://www.gentoo.org/news/20110308-livedvd.xmlMar 08 20:36
DaemonFCbeats starting out with a tarballMar 08 20:36
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 20:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Main Hall is full, more then 250 are sitting here, big crowd, #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconfMar 08 20:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @mrbrown: SMRT & SBS to add 590 additional MRT train trips: http://mrbrwn.co/ebQpsc #notanelectionsweetener #sgselection #fbMar 08 20:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @lovenemesis RT @mohanpram 7.2 earthquake in northern Japan, Tsunami warning has been issued.Mar 08 20:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Printing a human kidney http://is.gd/5CyihJ #tedtalks < RepRap and Makerbot could help human regenerationMar 08 20:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] let's create human #thingiverse to collect human parts to print on your home desjet printer (or MakerBot) ;-)Mar 08 20:43
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james9does anyone when groklaw.net will be available again?Mar 08 20:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] 7.2 earthquake in northern Japan, Tsunami warning issued. http://ur1.ca/3fiks /via @lovenemesisMar 08 20:48
james9sorry, anyone knows when groklaw.net will be back again?Mar 08 20:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] How the new Kernel SRPM distribution impacts CentOS http://is.gd/ROvWmy #redhat #centos #kernel #gnu #linux #software #sourceMar 08 21:28
Ender2070i dont see the big deal behind the kernel srpmMar 08 21:41
Ender2070its still open sourceMar 08 21:41
Ender2070just because they don't wrap it up in nice foil with a ribbon, or on a silver platter doesn't change anythingMar 08 21:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] still believe #Fedora should try to be embedded-friendly. #MeeGo is a try. Then again, we already have !Yocto / #OpenEmbedded and DebianMar 08 21:43
Ender2070during the dark ages, kernel devel was done via tarballs and diff patchesMar 08 21:43
Ender2070while walking to work uphill both ways, in the freezing cold over broken glassMar 08 21:44
Ender2070barefootMar 08 21:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[hisdudeness/@hisdudeness] RT@ !wikileaks : #Ellsberg & #Assange talk (video, 90 minutes) at Frontline http://is.gd/8xJGziMar 08 22:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Canada: online piracy a problem hurting artists, creators and the economy? http://bit.ly/fhvGVJ #C32 #cdnpoliMar 08 22:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Last Discovery flight today. Makes me sad....Mar 08 22:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mapopa: RT @philippem_: #firebird : php5 and firebird pdo driver on rpm distro : http://ur1.ca/3fbqmMar 08 22:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @ardrigh: Got #fedora 15 alpha dvd install image via torrent (yes Google, TORRENT), now to crank it up on my desktop :DMar 08 22:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to work.Mar 08 22:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @WebUpd8: RT @nettuts Ruby for Newbies: Working with Directories and Files http://bit.ly/hCeNi5Mar 08 22:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Chevenga: Philosopher in Arms : The ghost, the healer & the arms-sage. http://bit.ly/dEBzBi #Chevenga #weblit #fantasy #worthreadingMar 08 22:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Vryka: EC 447 Minis votes for a God. http://bit.ly/ggWuOo #weblit #webfic #Minis #fantasy #worthreadingMar 08 22:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Chestionar Microblogging in educatie: cu @ggrosseck invitam cadre didactice/cercetatori/masteranzi/doctoranzi http://url.ie/a46p - multumim.Mar 08 22:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @planetmozilla: Meeting Notes from the Mozilla community: #Mozilla Platform Meeting Minutes: 2011-03-08 #firefox http://bit.ly/hp01fkMar 08 22:40
DaemonFCMozilla meeting......Mar 08 22:40
DaemonFCAgenda, discuss possible plans for Firefox 4 Beta 13-50Mar 08 22:41
DaemonFCBe it resolved that nobody has the time to apply one-liner patch to fix ChatzillaMar 08 22:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @planetmozilla: Meeting Notes from the #Mozilla community: Thunderbird Meeting Minutes: 2011-03-08: #Thunderbird http://bit.ly/e1G4oaMar 08 22:41
DaemonFCBe it resolved that OpenGL compositing on Linux is fucked and will stay that wayMar 08 22:42
DaemonFCBe it resolved that we ask SweatyB which one of his other API's to implement that competes with open standardsMar 08 22:42
DaemonFCBe it resolved that we continue to neglect memory leaks, since jemalloc usually cleans up after us anywayMar 08 22:43
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 22:43
DaemonFCBe it resolved that multi-threaded browsers are indeed passeMar 08 22:43
DaemonFChttp://forum.kernelnewbies.org/read.php?7,2399,2399,quote=1Mar 08 22:49
*DaemonFC hit that problemMar 08 22:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Linux Remote Desktop For Controlling Windows XP / Vista / Server 2003 ( rdesktop ) http://is.gd/5I4z4i #rdp #windows #gnu #linux #softwareMar 08 22:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] I'm sympathetic with those with mental problems. I used to date a chronic depressed. But I can't stand paranoids. Ghaddafi behaves like oneMar 08 22:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Om nom nom nom...Mar 08 22:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Nothing like a new !kernel and akmods-nvidia packet in the morning and not to forget a !reboot to get you started. !Fedora oh and !coffeeMar 08 23:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] New net rules set to make cookies crumble http://is.gd/dkV23M #web #eu #security #cookie #internetMar 08 23:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @WebUpd8: Linux Australia needs to lift its public profile http://bit.ly/igTCce #linux #gnu #australiaMar 08 23:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @sjvn: RT @ZDNet: #Plaxo moving out of #social #networking... http://zd.net/dWdl0m Me: Bye. Don't bother to write.Mar 08 23:18
oiaohmDaemonFC: Xen magic wall hit you.Mar 08 23:18
DaemonFCwhat's that?Mar 08 23:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Mozilla urges users to update graphics drivers for Firefox 4 http://is.gd/NXQJQX #mozilla #firefox #firefox4 #web #fedora #ubuntu #romaniaMar 08 23:21
oiaohmThat xen bug.  DaemonFCMar 08 23:23
oiaohmIts appeared and disappared may times accross linux verisons.Mar 08 23:23
oiaohmhttps://lkml.org/lkml/2011/3/9/23  <, Reason why I pays to check next.   DaemonFCMar 08 23:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Google and #Microsoft offer #Nokia hundreds of millions to abandon #MeeGo, #Symbian http://is.gd/D121Pf #android #wp7Mar 08 23:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] ♺ @gvs: Is this for real, !RedHat restricting GPL use of RHEL !linux? http://tinyurl.com/4htc24gMar 08 23:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Just upgraded !google chrome 10 stable. Hangs on loading Facebook. Iceweasel loaded it in a second. First time Chrome has hung for me.Mar 08 23:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at NetCologne GK-Büro Bonn http://b1t.it/byn #4sqMar 08 23:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] 2011 Day Against DRM http://is.gd/RtbWXH #drm #freedom #audio #video #gnu #linux #microsoft #apple #sony #ipadMar 08 23:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] the movie was fabulous btw :D favorite !q from deleted scene they shouldn't have, "Every man needs a hobby"~ M. Caine ... now back to workMar 08 00:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @evgenymorozov: So Zuckerberg's puppy can have its own Facebook page but Chinese dissidents using pseudonyms are out ...Mar 08 00:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] I too was looking for rebels. But I was looking for them among the village headmen up in the hills. #amwritingMar 08 00:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Or rather #waswriting - #amgoingtobedbeforeturnintoapumpkin and if that makes sense to U, I have a 2 for 1 deal on Climate Change scientistsMar 08 00:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @DemocracyCanada: CBC 'Question of the Day' on banning attack ads - 80% support: http://bit.ly/hOV8jD #cdnpoli #GPC /@elizabethmayMar 08 00:16
Ender2070so much for madhatter being right wingMar 08 00:25
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Ender2070what a liarMar 08 00:25
Ender2070welcome to the no-fact zoneMar 08 00:31
Ender2070http://madhatter.ca/2011/02/27/the-great-climate-change-conspiracy/Mar 08 00:31
Ender2070http://green-agenda.com/globalrevolution.htmlMar 08 00:33
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Ender2070"In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill." - The Club of Rome, The First Global RevolutionMar 08 00:37
Ender2070Al Gore – former VP of the USA, leading climate change campaigner, Nobel Peace Prize winner, Academy Award winner, Emmy winner. Gore lead the US delegations to the Rio Earth Summit and Kyoto Climate Change conference. He chaired a meeting of the full Club of Rome held in Washington DC in 1997.Mar 08 00:37
Ender2070Maurice Strong – former Head of the UN Environment Programme, Chief Policy Advisor to Kofi Annan, Secretary General of the Rio Earth Summit, co-author (with Gorbachev) of the Earth Charter, co-author of the Kyoto Protocol, founder of the Earth Council, devout Baha’i. Mar 08 00:37
Ender2070Mikhail Gorbachev – CoR executive member, former President of the Soviet Union, founder of Green Cross International and the Gorbachev Foundation, Nobel Peace Prize winner, co-founder (with Hidalgo) of the Club of Madrid, co-author (with Strong) of the Earth Charter.Mar 08 00:38
Ender2070David Rockefeller – CoR executive member, former Chairman of Chase Manhattan Bank, founder of the Trilateral Commission, executive member of the World Economic Forum, donated land on which the United Nations stands.Mar 08 00:38
Ender2070Bill Gates – founder of Microsoft, philanthropist Mar 08 00:38
Ender2070A few members or people who helped the Club of RomeMar 08 00:38
Ender2070:PMar 08 00:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Gone are the days when all-nighters were possible based on willpower alone. Will finish proofing tomorrow when I can see straight. !editMar 08 01:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] goodnight !identica #amsleeping zzzzzMar 08 01:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] I think it is time for us to once again focus on breaking up concentrated corporate power, including ending corporate personhood.Mar 08 01:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Hard time dealing with the stifling boredom at work. I can feel my brain going flabby.Mar 08 01:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !linuxlibre 2.6.37.3-libre and 2.6.32.32-libre2 now availableMar 08 01:38
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twitterHappy Mardi GrasMar 08 01:45
twitterIt looks like the slaughter of QT has started. Mar 08 01:45
twitterPJ picked up the sale of QT licensing and other business to another company.Mar 08 01:46
twitterhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Nokia-sells-off-commercial-and-services-arm-of-Qt-1203210.htmlMar 08 01:46
twitter-> Nokia has announced that it is selling the commercial licensing and professional services arm of its Qt group to Digia, a Finnish services and software company. Terms of the deal were not disclosed. Nokia plans to retain all the core development, and copyright, of the Qt framework and continue development, but the business of selling Qt under its commercial licence and supporting those customers will be transferred to Digia - Nokia doesMar 08 01:46
twitter [PJ: Remember SCO telling the court that in  SCO v. Novell that no one ever sells a business without the copyrights? Heh heh. It seems it does happen, eh?] Mar 08 01:46
twitterIn a typical Microsoft Press assault, details are obscure but all the Microsoft friendly press are on it at once.Mar 08 01:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @flameeyes I have a PRS-505, lovely for novels and business books, sucks for techbooks... I've seen the EeeReader, looks nicer for those.Mar 08 01:48
twitterI have deep suspicions of the deal, not the least of which is that this cuts Nokia off from commercial feedback and creates further complexity that will make QT more costly. Mar 08 01:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] some people should just stick with drinking teaMar 08 01:50
twitterThe QT blog has lots of comments, many worried about things like how close Digia is to Microsoft.Mar 08 01:50
twitterhttp://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/07/nokia-and-digia-working-together/Mar 08 01:51
twittera quick search finds plenty of tie up, including .NET praise ... Mar 08 01:51
twitterhttp://www.digia.fi/C2256FEF0043E9C1/0/405001024Mar 08 01:51
twitterhttp://www.digia.com/C2256FEF0043E9C1/0/405000758Mar 08 01:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Best wishes to all women. :-) #8marchMar 08 01:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] What’s up with SUMO – Mar. 7 http://bit.ly/elz5aUMar 08 01:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] #Linux #kernel 2.6.38-rc8 http://bit.ly/f87FBH "I would have been ok with releasing this as the final 38, but[...]So please keep testing,"Mar 08 02:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] Now out: Linux #stable 2.6.37.3 http://bit.ly/e9EeSM and Linux #longterm 2.6.32.33 http://bit.ly/eRYNk5 "[...] must upgrade. [...]"Mar 08 02:06
twitterSlashdot does maximum FUD and confusion damage. http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/03/07/1337211/Nokia-Sells-QtMar 08 02:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] considers to move to Debian again...Mar 08 02:26
twitterKDE is not worried http://dot.kde.org/2011/03/03/qt-and-future-kdeMar 08 02:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @kaddi: Hab Blumen und merci vom Chef zum weltfrauentag bekommen. :)Mar 08 02:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Cool! Gameduino! http://excamera.com/sphinx/gameduino/ #fbMar 08 02:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @gbraad why?Mar 08 02:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @newbintraining: 1 hour of sleep is less than optimalMar 08 02:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @meegocom: Looking for a MeeGo job? Looking for a MeeGo developer? We now have a MeeGo Job Board! http://bit.ly/hpAabwMar 08 03:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @Develop4AppUp Going to South by Southwest? We're sponsoring an award at IndiePub's first indie propeller a... http://bit.ly/g4BNCS #sxswMar 08 03:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @popey: ..and people complain about #Ubuntu codenames.. #Fedora mulling "Beefy Miracle" for F16? http://popey.me/dOEvWjMar 08 03:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Cambridge is the natural home for The Centre for #Computing #History - http://bit.ly/gCViVe interesting projectMar 08 03:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @quaid Smart, insightful analysis (as usual) from Jonathan Corbet: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/431854/f79966f0fc48d91d/Mar 08 03:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Die wunderbare #Fail Wlet von #Netzsperren - O2 UK zeigt uns wie suppi die #BraveNewWorld sein kann - http://ur1.ca/3f847Mar 08 03:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] News update from The Real World: The hotdog thing isn't funny and makes us look unprofessional. !FedoraDesignMar 08 03:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Brazilian Beef: Greater Impact on the #Environment Than We Realize - http://bit.ly/e6Dtq1 stop chompingMar 08 03:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Media #Piracy in Emerging Economies - http://bit.ly/fLU94e "piracy better conceived as failure of affordable access in legal markets"Mar 08 03:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Adobe Releases #Flash-to-#HTML5 Converter, Codenamed Wallaby - http://on.mash.to/i8Q8J8 great, but doesn't it undermine Flash?Mar 08 03:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Free software is what we humans are talking more about - http://bit.ly/fRl93Q departing #FSF director looks back #freeswMar 08 03:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Good morning !identiverse :) And a cold, grey, windy, prolly rain, day it is too :(Mar 08 03:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 3D Printed Adult's Bicycle - http://bit.ly/eHoEI4 it's the future #3dprintersMar 08 03:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Al Jazeera Launches #Twitter Dashboard To Track Uprisings in Egypt, Yemen, Libya & Bahrain - http://bit.ly/fdEOmp v cool #ajeMar 08 03:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fabsh Not all are broken. I informed the author and posted a comment.Mar 08 03:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Just to be clear: I don't give a fuck what Charlie Sheen does or doesn't do. The guy has been boring since the 90s... #yawnMar 08 03:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] They should get Honeydew on that show, he's a lot more funny... #YogscastMar 08 03:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Prediction: Soon #Twitter will add "commercial" tweets to the API. Only clients that pay twitter will be able to get a timeline without ads.Mar 08 03:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Spotify Reaches 1 Million Paid Subscribers - http://bit.ly/hqj90m getting there...but fast enough?Mar 08 03:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Fear Mongering and Delusional #Piracy Report Upsets Aussies - http://bit.ly/gtI5KE more fantasy numbers from copyright companies #auMar 08 03:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Vote "beefy miracle" as fedora 16 codename! https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_16 #fbMar 08 03:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Virgin Media UK Begins Throttling #P2P Traffic - http://bit.ly/e6SGSF who needs #netneutrality?Mar 08 03:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @glynmoody Fear Mongering & Delusional Piracy Report Upsets Aussies http://bit.ly/gtI5KE more fantasy numbers from copyright companies #auMar 08 03:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] [correct link] Al Jazeera Launches #Twitter Dashboard To Track Uprisings in Egypt, Yemen, Libya etc - http://on.mash.to/hWappi cool #ajeMar 08 03:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] ☆ FSF Leadership Change: I got a call on Friday evening from Peter Brown, the Executive Director of the Free Sof... http://wmk.me/gJxnxAMar 08 03:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 99 Cent Books - http://bit.ly/dLHl8X "before the marginal price drops to zero, but that is another story" #abundance #ebooksMar 08 03:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @glynmoody Adobe Releases Flash-to-HTML5 Converter, Codenamed Wallaby http://on.mash.to/i8Q8J8 great, but doesn't it undermine Flash? #fbMar 08 03:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @ntouk just a reminder to give your guidance to the UK Government Open Standards Survey - http://svy.mk/gAVI21 #openstandardsMar 08 03:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Yay! ♻ @glynmoody 3D Printed Adult's Bicycle - http://bit.ly/eHoEI4 it's the future #3dprinters #fbMar 08 03:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Wow. For the best payed actor on TV, Sheen has pretty ugly home. Don't spend all your money on blow, kids...Mar 08 03:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @ikrshnan !Facebook will end on march 15th http://goo.gl/Clju4 !facebookfree !google !yahooMar 08 03:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Will E-Book Prices & Restrictions Lead to E-Book Piracy? - http://rww.to/h6MUC5 what do you mean *will*?#Mar 08 03:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Egypt faces new turmoil: Looted state security files | McClatchy http://is.gd/r0lMlM http://bit.ly/e1COdDMar 08 03:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: 100 days of Cablegate: http://www.thenation.com/slideshow/159019/slide-show-100-days-wikileakss-cablegate http://bit.ly/ebuZ6hMar 08 03:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Martin Albisetti: !Ubuntu, #Natty and !Unity http://goo.gl/XoGEdMar 08 04:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Aaron Toponce: Strong Passwords NEED Entropy http://goo.gl/dTO5mMar 08 04:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Prakash Advani: Samsung Galaxy S replaced by SL http://goo.gl/r9ozH !androidMar 08 04:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Prakash Advani: Samsung Galaxy S II coming http://goo.gl/G7mBz !androidMar 08 04:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] BTW - here the inofficial commercial for O2 UK's new filtering system - Cleanternet ;-) http://ur1.ca/x4cj </sarcasm>Mar 08 04:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Old Armenian Doors - http://bit.ly/hEl6jF some fine #pix (v @ianyanmag) #armenia #doorsMar 08 04:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @ioerror: So Zuckerberg's puppy can have its own Facebook page but Chinese dissidents using pseudonyms are out of luck?Mar 08 04:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Charlie Sheen is not filial - http://bit.ly/gBIPb0 an analysis you've not seen before; fascinating cultural relativism (v @ulyssestone)Mar 08 04:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[danebod/@danebod] Und heute um 20 Uhr zur IGGG #Drensteinfurt gegen !Fracking http://bit.ly/e8rZG2 !umwelt !klima !ppd !piratennrw !nrwMar 08 04:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Joran van der Sloot may only get 20 months for murdering a white chick using BS defense http://ur1.ca/3f8mjMar 08 04:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Parents bitch that students got punished for accusing a teacher for being a pedophile, imo students should face jail http://ur1.ca/3f8moMar 08 04:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] If you want your vote to count in New Jersey, don't use electronic voting machines http://ur1.ca/3f8npMar 08 04:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Republicans actually are trying to kill old people http://ur1.ca/3ez0g Warning: HuffPoMar 08 04:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] @fabsh Its use in hacker circles is far older than Canonical and possibly Apple.Mar 08 04:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @clacke I know. That's not the usage I object too...Mar 08 04:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @flattrchattr: Our first Partner Highlight: aFlattr. Affiliated !Flattr http://ur1.ca/3f8qo get money while spending! \o/Mar 08 04:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] setting up !Debian on my Neo FreeRunner. planning to make a wireless soundcard (yay for pulseaudio & vlc!) and possibly more of it. :)Mar 08 04:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] The only possible criticism I have for Mint is that they don't actively upstream their stuff. Other than that, it's a totally awesome.Mar 08 04:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] OK.... Time for some eggs and coffee!Mar 08 04:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] News, news, news! From !shr project http://blog.shr-project.org/2011/03/news-news-news.htmlMar 08 05:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Oh yeah.... Scrambled eggs with Jim Beam Spicy Bourbon sauce for breakfast is awesome stuff!Mar 08 05:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: Smooth Inset: The First Real Theme For The New !Gnome Shell http://goo.gl/yqGBVMar 08 05:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @sixgun: Video release: Minecraft Adventures 2 - Surviving the First Night > http://outl.ws/eM6dTu #minecraft #linuxoutlawsMar 08 05:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL. ;)Mar 08 05:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Imperial College in showdown with closed-access journals - http://bit.ly/gQLQYK kudos to Deborah Shorley: painful but necessary move #oaMar 08 05:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Microsoft marketing #IE at #Drupalcon #Drupal http://tighturl.com/2zooMar 08 05:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Damn, people trying to legalize murdering abortion doctors et all... :( ♺ @rms: The Pro-Murder Group http://ur1.ca/3f92kMar 08 05:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Firefox 4: Get Tabs In The Title Bar (Like Chrome) http://bit.ly/hhUL15Mar 08 05:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Smooth Inset: The First Real Theme For The New Gnome Shell http://bit.ly/fAO72KMar 08 05:38
MinceRhttp://dilbert.com/1995-03-25/Mar 08 05:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Timetable: ACTA from EC to European Parliament - http://bit.ly/hUrlCO need to start working on those MEPs #acta (v @jmcesteves)Mar 08 05:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Heisse: IPFire open source firewall updates PHP http://ping.fm/g919nMar 08 05:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @nearyd Canonical-created initiatives have great names: "Unity", "Harmony"... unfortunately they seem to indicate the opposite of wha ...Mar 08 05:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @stemp RD @CyanogenMod CyanogenMod-7.0.0-RC2 is here! http://dlvr.it/JZ3RP !androidMar 08 05:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Yes!!! I think I have fixed mapping on http://alain.sixgun.org/map -- thanks to @windigo for the tip that solved it! :DMar 08 05:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @sixgun: The Minecraft server is back up and mapping is completely fixed now. !loMar 08 06:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Hacked on a kipi plugin all night, made some nice progress.Mar 08 06:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the blocks from me. #serenity #minecraft #firefly http://ur1.ca/3f99nMar 08 06:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[swadeshine/@swadeshine] It's a sad state of affairs when exposing war crimes has more dire consequences than committing them. #Manning #Obama !WikiLeaksMar 08 06:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @yamatt: Nuclear Chicken Memorial? http://is.gd/0qU7vCMar 08 06:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @osamak: RT @swadeshine It's a sad state of affairs when exposing war crimes has more dire consequences than committing them. #ManningMar 08 06:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Draft agreement on creation of European and Community Patent Court is not compatible with European Union law http://is.gd/gwYrE5 #swpatMar 08 06:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Acc to #comcast btw 10/10 and 01/11: Windows phones -1.7, BB -5.4, Android +7.7, Apple +.1, Palm -.7 - http://ur1.ca/3f9emMar 08 06:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Note however that Comcast numbers are US only. Where 2 find similar stats for EU?Mar 08 06:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Lasting Digital Archives: "The Millenniata writer actually laser etches physical pits into the writable layer" http://goo.gl/t8J3nMar 08 06:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Wrangl - http://bit.ly/hkJrHj "helps you visualise debates in an easy to read and navigate style." nice idea (v @Glinner)Mar 08 06:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Oh god. @vk7hse loves portals, doesn't he.... :DMar 08 06:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Cablegate resources http://alturl.com/tqcak !wlMar 08 06:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Totally digging the !LO SkyNet. #MinecraftMar 08 06:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: 100 revelations to mark 100 days of Cablegate: http://alturl.com/rwp8v !wlMar 08 06:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @giuseppe: !gnu !icecat 3.6.15 released https://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=6743Mar 08 06:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @gandroids: Breaking News : LG Wants to Develop their Own Mobile Processors to Get a Leg Up in Smartphone Race http://tiny.ly/bhKaMar 08 06:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Darkness at Noon for Bradley Manning & Julian Assange http://alturl.com/7ngvx !wlMar 08 06:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Urethras created using patients' cells http://ping.fm/JYkMLMar 08 06:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Mubarak's sons got more than US$187m from Israeli gas deal, says paper http://alturl.com/h5qxa !wlMar 08 06:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Register: BBC accused of coming out for porn opt-in? http://ping.fm/jhDDzMar 08 06:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @escapetofreedom: Google Android Captures #1 Position in Smartphone Market (US, January 2011) http://bit.ly/fYys4uMar 08 06:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @WebUpd8: Wine 1.3.15 Released http://bit.ly/erNI6v #linuxMar 08 06:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] LinuxInsider • by Katherine Noyes: Is the iPad an iFad? http://ping.fm/eoyHOMar 08 06:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] EFF Sends Letter to Sony in Defense of Hackers by @fabsh http://ping.fm/RHmztMar 08 06:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: US ambassadors consider Mercosur “anti-American” http://is.gd/QTKiAk !wlMar 08 06:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Former CIA Inspector General to speak on WikiLeaks, Wednesday in Sarasota http://is.gd/xQ5Kqf !wlMar 08 06:56
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gnufreexIt seems that Qt licensing sale might be an atempt to end run around Free Qt Foundation agreementMar 08 07:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Give !Linux security clearance, US told UK - Public Sector IT Projects http://ping.fm/pFfjMMar 08 07:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm a bit embarrassed we had to be told :(Mar 08 07:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] since today we can call it Digia's #Qt framework?Mar 08 07:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] 3TB Hard Drives Coming, but You?ll need a new Computer - meyers's blog http://ping.fm/4mLfSMar 08 07:11
oiaohmgnufreex: Really Free QT Foundation agreement is the only thing stopping KDE from going there own path.Mar 08 07:13
oiaohmgnufreex: Breaching it really would not be a good thing.Mar 08 07:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Themobilemasti: Japanese scientists develop phone that feels like human skin http://ping.fm/YdR09Mar 08 07:13
oiaohmgnufreex: In case of breach QT foundation would also get the right to sell commerical version.Mar 08 07:13
gnufreexThat needs to go through court since Elop will drag his feetMar 08 07:14
gnufreexSmartest thing to do is fork right nowMar 08 07:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The Slur “Open Core”: Toward More Diligent Analysis - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) http://ping.fm/WViP6Mar 08 07:15
gnufreexAnd tell Nokia to go jumpMar 08 07:15
oiaohmNo it don'tMar 08 07:15
gnufreexDigia should go jump tooMar 08 07:15
oiaohmQt foundation has the right to sell commerical now.Mar 08 07:15
gnufreexWhen I mean fork I mean also invoke agreementMar 08 07:15
oiaohmOnly thing is basically operating agreement.Mar 08 07:15
oiaohmOn unified coding on QTMar 08 07:16
oiaohmBreach of that complete game changes very quicky.  gnufreexMar 08 07:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Can't remember if I already posted @bkuhn's article but it'll bear repeating anyway :)Mar 08 07:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Hypervisor supports Atom, 64-bit guest OSes - sheenasuben's blog http://ping.fm/0oYPtMar 08 07:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @sandersch Got my HTC Incredible S :-D it's bigger then my HTC Magic and very slightly smaller then the HTC HD (workphone). !AndroidMar 08 07:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[slated/@slated] http://slated.org/copygate_exposes_ugly_ubuntuMar 08 07:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] RT @nicubunu Blog: Breaking News: Fedora 15 *Beta* leaked! Now with desktop icons!: The Alpha release of Fedora 15 is expecte... http:// ...Mar 08 07:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[slated/@slated] http://slated.org/copygate_exposes_ugly_ubuntu #Ubuntu #Copygate #Bansheegate #Peanutgate #Banshee #GnomeMar 08 07:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Debian Squeeze. Installing Dropbox > install libnautilus-extension-dev & python-docutils then ./configure > make > make installMar 08 07:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I mention this cos Dropbox's Deb file seems to be prepared for !Ubuntu and won't work in !Debian Squeeze, or wouldn't for me at any rateMar 08 07:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] What do alpine steinbock and arctic crustaceans have in common? Climate Change - http://bit.ly/gNkc6F and so it goes onMar 08 08:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Coming soon: Pirated movies in 3D - http://bit.ly/gCEhRu an arms race industry will never win #piracy #3dMar 08 08:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] When is a PC not PC? When it's a unified European one - http://bit.ly/fNtXnJ another #swpats by the backdoor attempt blocked (v @glynwintle)Mar 08 08:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Governments press #ICANN over new domain rules - http://cnet.co/fJD7Gh things getting heavy (v @rmack)Mar 08 08:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @luisroca A !Perl sonnet I wrote and posted on !Perl Monks recently in honor of my trip to Nicaragua http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_i ...Mar 08 08:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Think it's time to tear @barrysookman a new one.Mar 08 08:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Vryka: EC 446 What to do. http://bit.ly/ggWuOo #weblit #webfic #fantasy #Minis #readingMar 08 08:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] explained a colleague I not against paying for games as 'free' (of charge), but believe more in a model reform; micropayment, eval. use, etcMar 08 08:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @missoularedhead: New blogpost: would you do what teachers do if you made what they make? http://bit.ly/i6fsfQMar 08 08:38
amarsh04http://smarthouse.com.au/Gaming/Industry/V6D8W3S7Mar 08 08:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thetecheye: Virgin starts throttling customers - Beardie miffed by P2P http://bit.ly/hyykLc #internetMar 08 08:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @MeaganTrush: New blog post in the spirit of International Women's Day: http://ow.ly/49S7bMar 08 08:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] collaboration's demise - http://bit.ly/hmKmsZ "I am fully aware that the content of this blog entry is potentially incendiary"; what funMar 08 08:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Adobe Flash Player 10.3 Linux Beta Released: Adobe's just released their first beta of Flash Player 10.3 for Win... http://bit.ly/i0rLaZMar 08 08:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @fontana @bkuhn !LO episodes are structured somewhat like Roman Catholic massesMar 08 08:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @bkuhn @fontana, what I find #disturbing about lawyers controlling policy is attempts to do so in fields where they lack expertise (e ...Mar 08 08:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @glynmoody: 3D Printed Adult's Bicycle - http://bit.ly/eHoEI4 it's the future #3dprinters - bye bye CCM!Mar 08 08:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] all that stuff on #alain is 'made by hand'? #OMFG... you seriously need a real job or a hobby! #leisuretimeMar 08 08:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @nearyd Canonical-created initiatives have great names: "Unity", "Harmony"... unfortunately they seem to indicate the opposite of wha ...Mar 08 08:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #China’s #green era begins - http://bit.ly/hhCAiq to “construct a resource-conserving and environmentally friendly society”; let's hope...Mar 08 08:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thetecheye: Western Digital and Hitachi are going to eat Seagate for breakfast http://bit.ly/fn7COg - Cannibals at the Gates!Mar 08 08:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Android Market: XSS hole allows unauthorised installation of apps http://ping.fm/3ifyXMar 08 08:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Break the rules, get the coins: how one man "crashed" a GDC panel - http://bit.ly/hoaZ64 I can't follow this story; luckily, I don't care...Mar 08 08:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: CPC MP Colin Carrie was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 08 http://bit.ly/gOmt0VMar 08 08:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Packetstorm: Anonymous Targets Manning Jailers http://ping.fm/EFcthMar 08 08:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: CPC MP Larry Miller was lobbied by University of Saskatchewan on Feb. 07 http://bit.ly/eGR5jRMar 08 08:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Wayne Easter was lobbied by University of Saskatchewan on Feb. 07 http://bit.ly/fUNQjiMar 08 08:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: CPC MP Pierre Lemieux was lobbied by University of Saskatchewan on Feb. 07 http://bit.ly/gpkS4ZMar 08 08:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: CPC MP Randy Hoback was lobbied by University of Saskatchewan on Feb. 07 http://bit.ly/dG1jRKMar 08 08:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Derek Lee was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 15 http://bit.ly/hmJasqMar 08 08:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] OK bad credit there. That last story was actually from ForbesMar 08 08:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Kirsty Duncan was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 15 http://bit.ly/idmDf0Mar 08 08:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Bonnie Crombie was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 15 http://bit.ly/dH2YFPMar 08 08:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Alan Tonks was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 15 http://bit.ly/eZFYkRMar 08 08:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] SXSWi: The open agenda | http://bit.ly/fRIjO9 #opensource #collaborationMar 08 08:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Judy Sgro was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 15 http://bit.ly/eZZvYCMar 08 08:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: CPC MP Mike Wallace was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 08 http://bit.ly/hZflpLMar 08 08:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Francis Valeriote was lobbied by University of Saskatchewan on Feb. 07 http://bit.ly/fwR6i3Mar 08 08:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: CPC MP Terence Young was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 08 http://bit.ly/dIsO1XMar 08 08:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] And this is the story that confused me: Hacker Kills His Own Pwn2Own Bug For Android Phones ≈ Packet Storm http://ping.fm/iOjnwMar 08 08:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm not gonna be able to post news properly today. I have my mind on other things. So maybe a day offline is in orderMar 08 08:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @dduane: RT @The_WhiteWitch: I may be an evil tyrant, but I earn 16% less than Lord Voldemort or Darth Vader. #internationalwomensdayMar 08 09:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Kernel prepatch 2.6.38-rc8 http://lwn.net/Articles/432000/rssMar 08 09:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @ThePMSaidSo: RT @ragouri: My next follower will be #300. Didn't realize there were that many printer cartridge spammers in the world.Mar 08 09:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Anti-corruption chief on Kenyan kleptocracy http://alturl.com/vrhze !wlMar 08 09:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: #China’s #green era begins - http://bit.ly/hhCAiq to “construct a resource-conserving and environmentally friendly society”...Mar 08 09:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] PLoS ONE, #OpenAccess, and the Future of Scholarly Publishing - http://bit.ly/fFuTt6 important, massive (42 pp) essay from Richard PoynderMar 08 09:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: Onions Against Dictators: Torservers.net. Torservers.net gets $10K from Access Now http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49858Mar 08 09:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: When is a PC not PC? When it's a unified European one - http://bit.ly/fNtXnJ another #swpats by the backdoor attempt blocked..Mar 08 09:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] The political agenda of #Facebook and #Google http://ur1.ca/3fab4 #sex_math_programming A rant off an #npr storyMar 08 09:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: 4,700,00 Australian file sharing thieves. 'Struth!' http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49859Mar 08 09:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] LLVM 2.9 Begins Lining Up For Release: Not only is GCC 4.6 on the way, but the developers at Apple and elsewhere... http://bit.ly/e5t5WSMar 08 09:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ebooks: durability is a feature, not a bug - http://bit.ly/gJ3nxh quite: another sign publishers just don't get it #ebooks #publishingMar 08 09:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] How the Department of Justice Colluded With Bank Of America To Destroy Wikileaks and Silence Journalists http://is.gd/mdUWxL !wlMar 08 09:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @BarrettBrownLOL: FBI should recuse itself from #anonymous investigation until we're done investigating FBI - ROFLMAOMar 08 09:26
speexbTniPAThere is a lot of comment spam in the techrights wiki now.Mar 08 09:27
speexbTniPAhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&feed=rssMar 08 09:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Video of Mark Pesce's LCA keynote available http://lwn.net/Articles/432010/rssMar 08 09:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @HDInstitute: Agnes Macphail, Canada's first female MP contributed to the reform of the Canadian penal system. http://ow.ly/49jAd #IWD11Mar 08 09:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Take action to support a significant drawdown of troops from Afghanistan by July http://bit.ly/dImug3Mar 08 09:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @doctorow: POKE THE BOX: @sethgodin's DO SOMETHING NOW manifesto http://tinyurl.com/5uryate #inspiringMar 08 09:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Damn, too many people have been saying interesting things today. Never mind the lobbying. I only retweeted the part that looked IP related.Mar 08 09:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #WIPO & the future of #copyright - http://bit.ly/f4nMzN "affirms the winds of #change that have been sweeping through that institution"Mar 08 09:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks editorial: 100 days of Cablegate http://alturl.com/rrdxp !wlMar 08 09:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] OHIP - bureaucracy over rules common sense in breast cancer case: http://bit.ly/hZr74K #cancer #ohip #bastardsMar 08 09:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tuxradar/@tuxradar] Your opinions wanted for our podcast Open Ballot: does free software need a figurehead like RMS? http://tinyurl.com/4wb3onjMar 08 09:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'd forgotten how good Gwibber 1.2 was - and it is good (Moving to Debian Squeeze)Mar 08 09:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] The Middle East feminist revolution | Al Jazeera http://is.gd/dKyh3q !wlMar 08 09:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] What the hell went wrong! (with Gwibber 2+)Mar 08 09:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Mendeley Launches $10,001 API Contest for Open Science Apps - http://rww.to/f1UJ6G nice, but open source would have been nicerMar 08 10:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] What do you want to ask 1,200 CS professors? | http://bit.ly/fNVzje #opensource #collaboration #SIGCSEMar 08 10:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @graziano: #firefox probably back in !debian 7. Talks in progress: http://ur1.ca/33nny !fsf !icecat !lpitMar 08 10:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @mvalente: "Daqui a 1 ano não existirá Guantanamo!" http://goo.gl/kkmCH #obama #palhaço #demagogo #patosMar 08 10:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @mvalente: "Adobe releases Flash to HTML5 converter" http://goo.gl/ZyZBu Love being right... http://goo.gl/LlBlD #eatmyshorts #naysayersMar 08 10:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] StatCounter: #Android tops #BlackBerry globally for the first time - http://bit.ly/eQGKGx how long before it tops everything?Mar 08 10:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] just got a robo-marketing call from a withheld number which reserved my line even after hanging up several times, I'm with the #TPS tooMar 08 10:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Belgien diskutiert Netzsperren und 3-Strikes - http://bit.ly/fe8KQI bad #Belgium #3strikes #hadopiMar 08 10:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Fedora 15 Alpha is out. Help test and break it! http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease #fbMar 08 10:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Feds finally extend security baseline to Red Hat (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/humdASMar 08 10:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] GAH ! youtube now making it compulsory to link to a google account. I was holding out for quite a while there :|Mar 08 10:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Adobe releases Flash to HTML converter(InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/fBcaaKMar 08 10:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ars technica: Future of Qt brighter after Digia buys licensing biz from Nokia http://goo.gl/nf5K0Mar 08 10:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Potential Open Source License Violations In #Android and #iOS Apps? - http://bit.ly/fvPvMI highly likely, I would have thought #licensingMar 08 10:13
MinceRhttp://www.reddit.com/tb/fzkvfMar 08 10:19
MinceR:facepalm:Mar 08 10:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] VMware releases vCenter configuration management software (Network World): http://bit.ly/e9p1slMar 08 10:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] !OpenMoko !Freerunner: probably the only "obsolete" phone that keeps getting better. New kconfig == 5% to 10% faster http://is.gd/1XE53mMar 08 10:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] they offered #Marks&Spencer gift vouchers for entry, so there's another connection for the police to investigate to find their identiyMar 08 10:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Wikileaks exposes illegal logging in Peru http://is.gd/jHNhnc !wlMar 08 10:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Thomas: That's it, we're quitting http://lwn.net/Articles/432017/rssMar 08 10:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Why Pwn2Own doesn't target !Linux By Sean Michael Kerner http://is.gd/H4eTZAMar 08 10:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Last Call: Ontology for Media Resources 1.0 http://ow.ly/1bFxSoMar 08 10:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻@telecomix Behold the rise of #INTERCOM: Emergency Communication Division - http://intercom.gs #emcom #telecomix #libya #whitefax #hamradioMar 08 10:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @ruiseabra !OpenMoko !Freerunner: probably the only "obsolete" phone that keeps getting better. New kconfig == 5% to 10% faster http: ...Mar 08 10:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Alpha version of !Fedora 15 released - The H Open Source: News and Features http://ping.fm/iWZgoMar 08 10:38
GoForbes28MinceR: So how exactly are the programs going to terminate completely?  Or are they not?Mar 08 10:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Wikileaks Editorial - 100 Days of Cablegate - http://bit.ly/i681X3 no word of a faster release cycle... (V @WLLegal)Mar 08 10:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Back to using the Beagle as a laptop desk. He's feeling needy today, and just has to be on my lap.Mar 08 10:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Fedora Alpha is getting plenty of coverage. Internet news » http://goo.gl/e0QuaMar 08 10:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Chevenga: Philosopher in Arms 448 tser : The ghost of Mana visits me. http://bit.ly/dEBzBi #amwriting #Chevenga #weblitMar 08 10:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Emma_A: RT @MsInformation: Every day should be #InternationalWomensDay. Rock on, ladies! #AnonymissMar 08 10:45
GoForbes28MinceR: That entire article was, wow...Mar 08 10:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I seriously considered Fedora, but I want a system I can stay with for a while now cos life's getting busier and that means DebianMar 08 10:46
MinceRGoForbes28: they don't care, they're crApple cultistsMar 08 10:47
MinceRthey have crApple "thinking"Mar 08 10:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Fedora 15 Lovelock Alpha Arrives: Dennis Gilmore has announced the official release of Fedora 15 Alpha. This nex... http://bit.ly/ghyxRcMar 08 10:48
MinceRand their working assumption is that _every_ user is a complete idiot who refuses to learn anything about computersMar 08 10:48
speexbTniPAFWIW 2001 marks the 20th anniversary of PGPMar 08 10:51
speexbTniPAI notice everything is much more centralized and censorized since then, the days of Usenet.Mar 08 10:52
speexbTniPA2001 -> 2011Mar 08 10:52
MinceRit seems soMar 08 10:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Which spelling libs do I need for !Gwibber 1.2 in !Debian !Squeeze?Mar 08 10:58
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GoForbes28http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5675/125/Mar 08 10:59
GoForbes28"The factor common to successful low-cost models, our work suggests, is neither strong enforcement against pirates nor the creative use of digital distribution, but rather the presence of firms that actively compete on price and services for local customers. Such competition is endemic in some media sectors in the United States and Europe, where digital distribution is reshaping media access around lower price points. It is widespread in India,Mar 08 10:59
GoForbes28where large domestic film and music industries dominate the national market, set prices to attract mass audiences, and in some cases compete directly with pirate distribution. And it is a small but persistent factor in the business software sector, where open-source software alternatives (and increasingly, Google and other free online services) limit the market power of commercial vendors."Mar 08 10:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @gbraad ok. debian is good as well.Mar 08 11:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] @evan I've never listened closely enough to that terrible song to hear the homophobia. Good times.Mar 08 11:00
GoForbes28Yeah, I know the terms used in the study are inaccurate and stupidMar 08 11:00
GoForbes28but at least it provides more evidence that the good infailable conglomerates are wrongMar 08 11:01
GoForbes28and can be used as another piece of evidence against their reign of ignoranceMar 08 11:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Curses, the dorm market is stocking clif bars again. *gobbles down the fourth one*Mar 08 11:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Oh doesn't look like Spelling was in 1.2 - never mind I'll just have to be more careful that's allMar 08 11:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: p2pnet under threat. Again. This time, it's Getty Images http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49857Mar 08 11:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: StatCounter: #Android tops #BlackBerry globally for the first time - http://bit.ly/eQGKGx how long before it tops everything?Mar 08 11:03
GoForbes28gnufreex, your thoughts?Mar 08 11:03
gnufreexGoForbes28 about what?Mar 08 11:04
gnufreexahhMar 08 11:04
gnufreexthatMar 08 11:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Potential Open Source License Violations In #Android and #iOS Apps? - http://bit.ly/fvPvMI highly likely, I would have thoughtMar 08 11:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Wikileaks Editorial - 100 Days of Cablegate - http://bit.ly/i681X3 no word of a faster release cycle... (V @WLLegal)Mar 08 11:05
GoForbes28As I said, the lingo in the study is the typical "piracy" and "open-source" B.S. and generalizationsMar 08 11:05
GoForbes28but the conclusions seem reasonable for onceMar 08 11:05
gnufreexNo time to read, but it seems they say piracy is not that bad?Mar 08 11:06
gnufreexCorrect?Mar 08 11:06
GoForbes28yeah, and that the other studies and arguments used thus far suck and are laughably dated, particularly in concepts and termsMar 08 11:06
gnufreexBookmarking now, will be back later.Mar 08 11:07
gnufreexHave to goMar 08 11:07
GoForbes28bbsMar 08 11:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @encyclomundi: For International Women's Day books by and about women http://booklover206.tumblr.comMar 08 11:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Craigslist Founder Launches craigconnects: “The Biggest Thing In My Life” - http://tcrn.ch/dVOkNW only connect... #nonprofitsMar 08 11:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @mcastel in !Ubuntu I have at least four #git clients for free. In Mac OS it seems I have to pay no less than 31.99 EUROS #iuseubunt ...Mar 08 11:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Jolicloud Becomes Joli OS, Announces Cross-Platform Apps http://ping.fm/8oOMXMar 08 11:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] ♺ @biglesp: @heeed will have to setup a !crunchbang installfest for !oggcamp @corenominal ;)Mar 08 11:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Participate in !Free!Music!Week 2011 http://mkzä.de/785 recommend CC-licensed music, use tag #37ccMar 08 11:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Ostatic: What if Hewlett-Packard Bought !RedHat? http://ping.fm/FyItlMar 08 11:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] A Kafkaesque Data-trail: the Hunt for “Europe’s Hidden Billions” - http://bit.ly/eLPacv great work despite the obstacles #capitalism #euMar 08 11:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Jolicloud Becomes Joli OS, Announces Cross-Platform Apps - http://rww.to/gsEwHA interesting stuff, but still not really convincedMar 08 11:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] InMobi Adds More Evidence That #Android Is #Winning (With 37 Percent Mobile #Ad Share) - http://tcrn.ch/dF9VBx as if we needed anyMar 08 11:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Some MeeGo architecture changes announced http://lwn.net/Articles/432053/rssMar 08 11:46
twitterlol, zuckerberg complains that people he can't identify lack integrity. http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000823.htmlMar 08 11:49
twitterFacebook commenting systems don't spell bad news for spammers and trolls, many of whom are PR people with "pre aged" persona.Mar 08 11:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] more originality from #Hollywood http://tighturl.com/2zp9 sorry, that was a misleading dent, just practising my marketing skills ;PMar 08 11:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @firusvg: Adobe Releases Flash to HTML5 Conversion Tool http://rww.to/hnzvC5 /via @Scobleizer @RWWMar 08 12:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] #wobwubwobblewobblewubwubMar 08 12:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] NEWS: Keynotes, program and more today announced for upcoming Collaboration Summit: http://bit.ly/esCpS9 #lfcollabMar 08 12:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxfoundation: Original: Looking for a MeeGo Job? Looking for a MeeGo Developer? http://bit.ly/gPvopt #linux #mobile #jobsMar 08 12:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @arstechnica: Hackers spear-phish, infiltrate French Ministry of Finances: http://t.co/04kpmSO by @drpizza #securityMar 08 12:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Artykuł na temat spotkania NGOsów w sprawie akcji Stop Cenzurze 2 - na stronie !FWiOO: ur1.ca/3fbimMar 08 12:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] The Direction Of ATI Radeon Graphics In Ubuntu 11.04: With Ubuntu 11.04 arriving in a little more than a month, ... http://bit.ly/gcPuR1Mar 08 12:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Flash 10.2 Found To Be Crashtastic http://is.gd/j5VCls #adobe #flash #softwareMar 08 12:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @firusvg: Adobe Releases Flash to HTML5 Conversion Tool http://rww.to/hnzvC5 /via @Scobleizer @RWWMar 08 12:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Amazing Toroidal Knots! - http://bit.ly/dN45QF yours to print out and keep (if you have as #3dprinter...) #thingiverseMar 08 12:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] This is pretty crazy: http://ur1.ca/3fbj2 Courtesy of @rmsMar 08 12:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL. Seems like my !Minecraft videos are converting quite a few people to the game...Mar 08 12:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @bkuhn: Do PPL who use services in the .ly domain (s. as bit.ly via #Twitter) realize they're helping fund the oppressive regime in Libya?Mar 08 12:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @danielmarti: #Nokia appoints new head of #MeeGo #gnu #linux efforts: Sebastian Nyström. http://ur1.ca/3fbbgMar 08 12:25
twitterha ha, more "IP courts" don't always add up to more influence for US companies.  http://spectrum.ieee.org/consumer-electronics/audiovideo/taiwan-patent-court-a-concern-for-us-tech-firmsMar 08 12:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] ♺ @climagic: sleep 8h # Because you can't do this in real life.Mar 08 12:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] James Bond in Drag For International Women’s Day - http://bit.ly/dNal6t nicely done... #iwdMar 08 12:26
twitterPJ says quotes it, "U.S. companies have sought speedier decisions through reforms and a dedicated IP Court [in Taiwan]. But now that the court is in session, the new legal system is speedily dismissing U.S. patent holders' claims.  [PJ: File under You Reap What You Sow.]Mar 08 12:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Wooooo! Alpha of F15 is out: http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease -- gotta try this soon!Mar 08 12:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @henryconcep: #Fedora 15 #Lovelock Alpha Arrives http://bit.ly/hE7Zjp (love the codename) #gnu #linux #softwareMar 08 12:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] ♺ @henriksonj: RT @grateful__dead: RIP Pigpen 3-8-1973 "RONALD C. McKERNAN 1945–1973 PIGPEN WAS AND IS NOW FOREVER ONE OF THE GRATEFUL DEAD"Mar 08 12:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @zotz in what sense?Mar 08 12:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] RT @bkuhn Do people who use services in the .ly domain (such as bit.ly via #Twitter) realize they are helping fund the oppressive regime ...Mar 08 12:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Del Mastro says some witnesses are trying to "game" the C-32 process - trying to go last which accounts for sked problems. #c32Mar 08 12:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC explains work on behalf of creators - w/SAC, Doc Org of Canada, independent authors w/Google book settlement. #c32Mar 08 12:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh I downloaded a daily image from a few days ago and it was quite impressive. Although the UI is less configurable, it's no longer slowMar 08 12:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh At least with my hardware :)Mar 08 12:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC supports C-32's fair dealing, consumer exceptions, user gen content prov; but dig locks hurts consumers & creators #c32Mar 08 12:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @aprilorg: Logiciel Libre et Cantonales 2011 : l'April relance l'opération "un tract, un pacte!" http://ur1.ca/3fb4v #aprilMar 08 12:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @artandwriting: Hey tweeps, who are your favorite female artists & writers? #internationalwomensday - Lois McMaster Bujold!Mar 08 12:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: .@russellmcormond "anytime you hear lock, you must ask who owns the key": purpose is to lock out the owner. #c32Mar 08 12:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @lovenemesis: Multi screens and HDMI support of #AMD is much better than #NVIDIA on #Linux. #gnuMar 08 12:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Garneau says he shares CIPPIC's view on digital locks. It supports need to link circumvention with copyright infringement. #c32Mar 08 12:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @flameeyes: @carlopiana: I wonder if we can say the same by paying Italian taxes...<that is arguably unescapable ;-)Mar 08 12:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC says stat damage change removes coercive effect on individuals for "30 images on a site" [abt what McTeague's doing]#c32Mar 08 12:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC: Digital lock rules & restrictive fair dealing a problem for doc film makers that is only going to grow over time. #C32Mar 08 12:33
DaemonFCWhy does Google say a bug is "Linux only" when the bug is in the X.org X Server?Mar 08 12:34
DaemonFCthat means it could apply to any operating system that uses X.org's X ServerMar 08 12:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Angus: What concerns me abt C-32 is that it guarantees consumer rights but users may not be able to exercise due to locks. #c32Mar 08 12:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC: Two constitutional problems in C-32: 1. Digital lock rules 2. Charter concerns w/restrictions freedom of expression #c32Mar 08 12:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @schestowitz Forbes Estimates M$ Down to 75% Share of PCs http://ur1.ca/3eu8f #gnu #linux #mac #apple #windowsMar 08 12:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC: Educational fair dealing most misunderstood provision in C-32: does not permit wholesale copying as some suggest. #c32Mar 08 12:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mohanpram: Future of #Qt brighter after Digia buys licensing biz from #Nokia http://ur1.ca/3fawhMar 08 12:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC: C-32 fair dealing gives teachers confidence to bring tech into class & allows students bring their content to class #c32Mar 08 12:35
DaemonFCOpenBSD gets to go on and on about not having security bugs that often in the default configuration because the default configuration doesn't have things like X11, or web browser, or even a graphical user interface (desktop environment)Mar 08 12:36
DaemonFCto say nothing of the fact that most of the network services are either not there or disabledMar 08 12:36
DaemonFCso it's really secure because they don't include anything that enables the computer to do anything but sit there, hum, and use electricityMar 08 12:37
twitteror run SSHMar 08 12:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @missoularedhead: For Lent, I've decided to give up giving something up.Mar 08 12:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Can't wait to run the F-15 "Eagle" ...eh... I mean "Pubic Hair" release. :DMar 08 12:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @fabsh it's not a direct effect. .ly is held by Lybian government. The more popular .ly is, the more domains they sell (see .tv)Mar 08 12:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Bloc puts forward motion to ask isoHunt's Gary Fung to appear before C-32 committee. #c32Mar 08 12:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Hey Banglore ! I am Here .. KDE conf.. 2011, @kdeindiaMar 08 12:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Del Mastro notes isoHunt currently before the courts & don't want to hurt industry case against site [using current law] #c32Mar 08 12:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Consensus that no motion but will invite isoHunt's Fung to appear before the C-32 committee. #c32Mar 08 12:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I think people who think boycotting .ly changes anything are deluding themselves. Writing to the UN would probably accomplish a lot more...Mar 08 12:38
DaemonFCif you were keeping score, you'd probably find that 90% or more of the security bugs in a Linux distribution are only there when the user has X, a GUI, and nifty things like web browsers and media players and instant messengers and SAMBA, and CUPS, an....Mar 08 12:39
DaemonFCso it comes down to the fact that almost every feature you use will bring security bugs with itMar 08 12:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @LucianSavluc: Carnival in Brazil 2011 - The joy of color, wonderful images - http://is.gd/govPobMar 08 12:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @TechCrunch: OpenText Acquires Mobile App Deployment Software Maker weComm http://tcrn.ch/gnbsmc by @robinwautersMar 08 12:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @JesseBrown: Did @CharlieAngusMP violate Warner Music's ©? The CBC's? Does DMCA have jurisdiction in Canada? Podcast http://bit.ly/f6JeIEMar 08 12:40
twitterI'm not sure why people run sambaMar 08 12:40
DaemonFCthey split a lot of hairs with OpenBSD, I'm not so sure it's any more secure than FreeBSD or Linux distributions in a similar configurationMar 08 12:40
twitterand I'm not fond of CUPS web controlMar 08 12:40
DaemonFCMozilla closes a dozen or more security bugs in Firefox alone every month, let's worry about what this ralink driver is up toMar 08 12:41
DaemonFCtin foil hat to the extreme :)Mar 08 12:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @popey: @bkuhn Does that mean people who own .com domains help support the regime in the USA? #guantanamoMar 08 12:41
twitterthere's nothing silly about looking at driversMar 08 12:41
DaemonFCany operating system that preoccupied with security and bug audits wouldn't even offer XulrunnerMar 08 12:42
DaemonFCI'm not real impressed with Mozilla to be honestMar 08 12:42
DaemonFCChatzilla broke in October, the patch to fix it is one line in a script that only affects ChatzillaMar 08 12:43
DaemonFCand they still haven't applied it :)Mar 08 12:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[demuxer/@demuxer] 100 Days of !Cablegate http://rod.gs/Sqg Keep it going !wikileaksMar 08 12:43
DaemonFCtheir bug fixing policy could use some work, because it seems in some cases they leave bugs open for months or more when the patch to fix them is trivial and if applied, it only affects the thing that broke anyway :)Mar 08 12:44
twitterDo you still run Vista, DaemonFC?Mar 08 12:44
DaemonFCnoMar 08 12:44
twittergood for youMar 08 12:44
DaemonFCI tinkered with Vista for a while until I figured there was just no way to work around all that was wrong with itMar 08 12:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @fontana: I am hereby placing the (still draft) !Fedora Project Contributor Agreement http://ur1.ca/3fbit under !CC -0 http://ur1.ca/3fbiuMar 08 12:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] +1 ♺ @aptidude: @fabsh I'm boycotting people who boycott.Mar 08 12:45
twitterdo you run any version of Windows?Mar 08 12:45
DaemonFCI have Windows XP in a KVM virtual machineMar 08 12:45
DaemonFCB-)Mar 08 12:45
DaemonFCI would use Xen, but that's not going to happenMar 08 12:46
DaemonFCI tried using it in Xen and it wouldn't even start upMar 08 12:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mettaben/@mettaben] ♻ @swadeshine It's a sad state of affairs when exposing war crimes has more dire consequences than committing them. #Manning !WikiLeaksMar 08 12:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Prisoners Help Build Patriot Missiles | Wired http://is.gd/fQtIFL !wlMar 08 12:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[1g0r/@1g0r] ♺ @mettaben: ♻ @swadeshine It's a sad state of affairs when exposing war crimes has more dire consequences than committing them #Manning !wlMar 08 12:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @nybill: @windigo You are a living archive! ;)Mar 08 12:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @beefymiracle: Do it with relish! Check out http://beefymiracle.org and think of me for #Fedora 16!Mar 08 12:53
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twitterMichael Moore on the war against the middle class http://www.alternet.org/economy/150139/michael_moore:_the_smug_wealthy_have_gone_too_far_--_and_we're_finally_fighting_back?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=alternetMar 08 12:57
twitterbetter link http://www.alternet.org/economy/150139/michael_moore:_the_smug_wealthy_have_gone_too_far_--_and_we're_finally_fighting_back?page=entireMar 08 12:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] The World’s First Goateed Robot Is Unbelievably Creepy (Gawker): http://gaw.kr/geW8WBMar 08 13:00
sultan2What?! This economics illiteral (Moore)Mar 08 13:00
twitterI think there is a tremendous generational divide between people now in power who grew up with the opportunities of the late 60s and 70s and the rest of us who have been steadily locked out. Mar 08 13:00
sultan2Listen to Alex Jones http://www.infowars.com/Mar 08 13:00
sultan2Is twitter a bot?Mar 08 13:00
twitterI'm a person, thank you.Mar 08 13:01
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twitterhttp://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/217907Mar 08 13:01
twitterMoore's observations are close to the ground and often insightful Mar 08 13:02
Diablo-D3sultan2: are you fucking kidding meMar 08 13:02
Diablo-D3infowars == failMar 08 13:02
sultan2Freedomain Radio, thenMar 08 13:03
twitterHis examples, teachers, nurses, airline pilots are excellent examples of how many professionals have been reduced to subsistence wages.Mar 08 13:03
sultan2Moore doesn't know anything about economicsMar 08 13:03
twittertake what it givesMar 08 13:03
sultan2He propose the same thing, which is socialismMar 08 13:04
Diablo-D3socalism isnt the answer directlyMar 08 13:04
sultan2I can do life by my own, without government/state touchMar 08 13:04
twitterif you believe in public education, you are a socialist Mar 08 13:04
Diablo-D3true capitalism is indirectly socialismMar 08 13:04
Diablo-D3you stop any company that actively tries to destroy the free marketMar 08 13:04
Diablo-D3ergo, everyone is free to have a job and earn meaningful wagesMar 08 13:04
DaemonFCOld people, social security. = What's ours is ours and what's yours is ours.Mar 08 13:05
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 13:05
DaemonFCthey get to retire and spend the last 20-30-40 years of their life on the government's dimeMar 08 13:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Assange's rage against the state | NZ Herald http://is.gd/Q4iiKG !wlMar 08 13:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Prisoners Help Build Patriot Missiles | Wired http://is.gd/fQtIFL http://bit.ly/eStLbbMar 08 13:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Assange's rage against the state | NZ Herald http://is.gd/Q4iiKG http://bit.ly/hg82ZpMar 08 13:06
DaemonFCmy generation will have to work into our 80s to cover thisMar 08 13:06
twitterMoore proposes to claw back some of the corporate welfare the ultra rich have scraped up at everyone else's expense.  Taxing the wealthy because that's where all the money is - that's hardly socialism it's practical policy. Mar 08 13:06
DaemonFCwe're being hosed by our parents and grandparentsMar 08 13:06
Diablo-D3Moore is correct.Mar 08 13:07
Diablo-D3"corporate welfare for the rich" is effectively socialism done horribly wrongMar 08 13:07
Diablo-D3socialism is where everyone gets a piece of the outermost pieMar 08 13:07
Diablo-D3there is nothing inherently wrong with thatMar 08 13:07
DaemonFCsocialists know how to spend your money better than you doMar 08 13:07
DaemonFCthat's why they take so much of it :)Mar 08 13:07
Diablo-D3a little of that is even required to keep large societies from collapsingMar 08 13:07
twitterour parents and grandparents are in turn being hosed.  "end of life" health care often leaves them broke if insurance has not already done thatMar 08 13:08
Diablo-D3but socialist programs should only exist to protect those who society needs to functionMar 08 13:08
Diablo-D3twitter: yes, which is nutsMar 08 13:08
DaemonFCit would be a laugh riot if they actually posted figures on how many of those people who get free healthcare at the emergency room are even in the US legallyMar 08 13:08
Diablo-D3they DID pay into the systemMar 08 13:08
Diablo-D3far more than we ever canMar 08 13:08
DaemonFCor how many of them can't speak english and cost the hospital money to pay an interpreter Mar 08 13:08
Diablo-D3all americans, especially them, deserve the utmost best healthcare.Mar 08 13:08
Diablo-D3normally I would argue against outright socialism like that... but lets face it, the rich stole all their moneyMar 08 13:09
Diablo-D3otherwise they could pay it all out of pocketMar 08 13:09
DaemonFCthe system isn't working because the people that pay the least into every one of these programs benefit the most out of itMar 08 13:09
Diablo-D3they'd be at least in the single digit millions.Mar 08 13:09
twitterhealthcare is increasingly a "privilege" for the rich and powerful - people should do better than that for each otherMar 08 13:09
Diablo-D3twitter: wellMar 08 13:10
DaemonFCthey didn't even have Social Security until my grandparents were in their 40sMar 08 13:10
Diablo-D3heres the large problemMar 08 13:10
Diablo-D3those rich never deserved to be richMar 08 13:10
DaemonFCthey payd virtually nil into it and got to retire at 65Mar 08 13:10
Diablo-D3very few ever earned it with their own hard workMar 08 13:10
DaemonFCgood deal, now I get to pay for itMar 08 13:10
Diablo-D3the few that did? they deserve it.Mar 08 13:10
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Diablo-D3the rest? it should be taken from them.Mar 08 13:10
twitterthe poor are obviously not the problem because they have next to no income and wealth, don't blame them.Mar 08 13:10
DaemonFCSocial Security is collapsing because the first generations that retired on it didn't pay that much into itMar 08 13:11
DaemonFCnot a healthy start for a Ponzi scamMar 08 13:11
twitterIt wold be a lot easier to tax the top 1% of the country that has as much wealth as the bottom 50% combined.Mar 08 13:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @ratholeradio: A new Rathole Radio is out now, check out the tunes and enjoy :) - http://ratholeradio.org/2011/03/ep47/Mar 08 13:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Wikileaks: Egyptian activist denies masterminding Jan. 25 revolution http://is.gd/JTEj1e !wlMar 08 13:11
twitterI'm not sure what jokers like Gates do for society, other than tell people how to get him more money.Mar 08 13:12
Diablo-D3twitter: but the thing isMar 08 13:12
DaemonFCMy grandparents Paid little, Got a lot. My parents paid a lot and probably break even. My generation, pays their entire life and never gets to retire.Mar 08 13:12
Diablo-D3poor dont CHOOSE to be poorMar 08 13:12
twitterI consider him a parasite. Mar 08 13:12
Diablo-D3they were born poor, and they will die poorMar 08 13:12
Diablo-D3you cant make money out of nothingMar 08 13:12
DaemonFCThanks mom, dad, grandma, grandpa!Mar 08 13:12
Diablo-D3they deserve, from the day they are born, a job that is meaningful and wages that are meaningfulMar 08 13:12
Diablo-D3most social programs _would not need to exist_ if the system worked.Mar 08 13:13
DaemonFCso what if a person isn't all that smart or ambitiousMar 08 13:13
DaemonFCshould they pay him $20 an hour to sling hash?Mar 08 13:13
Diablo-D3we'd all be able to afford healthcare, they'red be no health insurance companies (which are gigantic scams to steal money), we wouldnt need social security, and we'd be all investing huge sums of money in the general health and welfare of our nationMar 08 13:13
twitterThere's value in the work, obviously. Mar 08 13:13
DaemonFCthe more people can do the work, the less valuable the work isMar 08 13:14
Diablo-D3twitter: not only is there value in work, the system actively tries to destroy the work of peopleMar 08 13:14
twitterMost of it is simply sucked up by people who don't deserve it.Mar 08 13:14
DaemonFCthere's fewer people who can do heart surgery than can man the fryolator at McDonaldsMar 08 13:14
DaemonFCand the salary disparity shows itMar 08 13:14
Diablo-D3I agree... but most of whats sucked up is done so by whos at the very top of the list: the rich.Mar 08 13:14
twitterthe top of the list do little more than own thingsMar 08 13:14
Diablo-D3most rich people were born richMar 08 13:15
twittertheir disproportionate ownership of stocks and bonds make every corporate bail out a case of robbery.Mar 08 13:15
Diablo-D3they never did a day of work in their lives.Mar 08 13:15
Diablo-D3twitter: I agree.Mar 08 13:15
Diablo-D3not only that, its borderline terrorismMar 08 13:15
Diablo-D3its also grossly unconstitutionalMar 08 13:16
DaemonFCBill Gates wasn't born richMar 08 13:16
DaemonFCin fact, he dropped out of collegeMar 08 13:16
DaemonFCdoesn't even have a degree (except a few honorary)Mar 08 13:16
twitterGates was born very richs.Mar 08 13:16
twitterhe dropped out of college because he could and went on to start his business with family money and powerful political and legal connectionsMar 08 13:17
Diablo-D3yes, he wasMar 08 13:17
Diablo-D3yupMar 08 13:17
Diablo-D3which means most of his wealth should be stripped.Mar 08 13:17
twitterShowed his dad a new way to hoover up public wealth - software, traffic systems, etc.Mar 08 13:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Need Speaker for second day - 13 March at Delhi for FOSS talk http://lug-iitd.org/Geek_meetup_-_13_Mar_2011 !GeekMeetupDMar 08 13:18
twitterNow he's moved into the last profitable segments of society, medicine.Mar 08 13:18
Diablo-D3This isnt a Free Market.Mar 08 13:19
twitterthat's obviousMar 08 13:19
twitterit's more like an oligarchy and wages reflect thisMar 08 13:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Nebraska law forces woman to have baby that doctors wanted her to abort over defects, child dies 15 minutes after birth http://ur1.ca/3fbsgMar 08 13:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: U.S. targeted EU on GM foods | CBC http://is.gd/EYUZu9 !wlMar 08 13:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxfoundation: Original: Firefox 4.0 Approaches: What's in Store for Linux Users? http://bit.ly/f4RPAh #linux #mozilla #firefoxMar 08 13:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] my politician context was someone who answers a question with a non-answer, the end path is mass voter apathyMar 08 13:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] every politician who does it is part of the problemMar 08 13:21
twitterRMS notices something, "Violent crime and robbery in Oregon have been decreasing for years and are now the lowest since 1966. But most people in Oregon have been led by the media to think it is getting worse (except in their own home town).  This study was about Oregon, but the phenomenon is probably not limited to Oregon. And the erroneous fear boosts right-wing politics." http://stallman.org/archives/2011-jan-apr.html#07 March 2011 (PercMar 08 13:22
twitterThis was very true in Tacoma, Washington. Mar 08 13:22
twitterPeople were afraid to go out after dark especially around public parks.Mar 08 13:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] take a look at select committee hearings to see this in full effect, hour after hour of questions, and not a single answerMar 08 13:23
twitterOne day I looked up actual crime statistics and just about fell out of my chair.  Mar 08 13:23
twitterThe 250,000 people who live there manage to murder between 10 and 20 people a year, something that has actually declined per person.Mar 08 13:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Amtrak police chief bars #TSA from some security operations http://ur1.ca/3fbtiMar 08 13:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Reuters runs paid for advertisement for the Gates Foundation to make Bill Gates look good http://ur1.ca/3fbtqMar 08 13:25
twitterBy way of comparison, my hometown of New Orleans kills one or two people per day, something that has steadily increased for it's 500,000 or so people.Mar 08 13:25
Diablo-D3hehMar 08 13:25
twitterPeople have called Tacoma a "gritty" and "working class" town.  It looked like an egalitarian paradise to me.Mar 08 13:26
twitterPeople working in shipping made about as much or more than I did.  Public education worked as did public transport, the municipal power company and public network. Mar 08 13:28
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twitterThe economic downturn had hurt the place but they had a long, long way to go before they hit southern standards or education, crime and income disparity.Mar 08 13:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Ladyboy Gaga goes Gaga over ownership of baby noises http://tighturl.com/2zpiMar 08 13:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Labour still not worked the #BBC out, they support the current govt propaganda line, regardless of party in power http://tighturl.com/2zpkMar 08 13:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Speedier, simpler and safer: Chrome’s basics get even better http://goo.gl/1RTxv !chromiumMar 08 13:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: #gThumb 2.13.1 Released With 'Find Duplicates' Extension, More: http://goo.gl/gDspK !PPA: http://goo.gl/hc1MMar 08 13:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Tuesday's security updates http://lwn.net/Articles/432075/rssMar 08 13:41
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twitterWhy US support of dictators and clampdowns on wikileaks are a disaster in the making http://stallman.org/archives/2011-jan-apr.html#07 March 2011 (Downtrodden Pressure)Mar 08 13:42
twitter"The pressure of the downtrodden in Muslim countries seeks an exit, and if denied others, it will support Islamic extremism."Mar 08 13:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Love how people in the comments to that article are accusing Gnome of breaking KDE. The KDE people did that quite well alone IMHO. LOLMar 08 13:43
twitterInjustice breeds more of the same.Mar 08 13:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Announcing the release of Fedora 15 Alpha http://lwn.net/Articles/432108/rssMar 08 13:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fedora/@fedora] Fedora 15 "Lovelock" Alpha release is here! Catch a glimpse of the future: http://ur1.ca/3fbwn Full announcement here: http://ur1.ca/3fbwxMar 08 13:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] IBM Centennial Film: 100 X 100 - A century of achievements that have changed the world http://is.gd/0Bgrpg #ibm #software #hardwareMar 08 13:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] According to my records, I've worked on a document for 7 hrs today. And I've lost half morning in court. Busy day...Mar 08 13:55
DaemonFC== New in Mesa - 03/08/2011 ==Both r300g and r600g are now the default drivers.Mar 08 13:57
DaemonFCfrom Xorg Edgers :)Mar 08 13:57
DaemonFCone less thing in the "Pimp your xorg.conf" list for Radeon usersMar 08 13:57
DaemonFCthe classic R600c driver is in really bad shape, this move to R600g has been a long time comingMar 08 13:58
DaemonFCthe first thing a user would notice on Evergreen going from c to g is about half again the performance, less bugs, and a whole lot more OpenGL 2/3 extensions Mar 08 13:59
*DaemonFC has been wondering why Ubuntu insisted on defaulting to a driver that hasn't seen any meaningful work in the last >yearMar 08 14:00
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DaemonFCapparently eadeonhd is still on life supportMar 08 14:02
DaemonFCthe OpenSuse guys are patching it up just enough to continue supporting the OpenSuse versions that used itMar 08 14:02
DaemonFC*radeonhdMar 08 14:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Our team in #RedHat getting adafruit love ♻ @adafruit: The Open Source Way http://bit.ly/ibT2NGMar 08 14:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Libya: Gadaffi orders mercenaries to execute Army soldiers who refused to fire on civilians http://ur1.ca/3fc07Mar 08 14:03
GoForbes28http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/jwalke/a_concrete_example_how_the_rei.htmlMar 08 14:03
GoForbes28So that's how they;ll control overpopulationMar 08 14:04
DaemonFCI suppose it would be safe-ish to use Kubuntu 11.04 at this pointMar 08 14:04
DaemonFCthe free driver no longer sucks all that bad (from xorg-edgers) and the new fglrx will be out within a few daysMar 08 14:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] American prison labor used to build Patriot missiles for #UAE arms deal http://ur1.ca/3fc0dMar 08 14:05
DaemonFCKubuntu alphas and betas are always more stable than UbuntuMar 08 14:05
GoForbes28Xubuntu too?Mar 08 14:05
DaemonFCUbuntu is tracking development releases of GNOME while Kubuntu usually gets a stable KDE release at that stageMar 08 14:05
DaemonFCXubuntu too, yeahMar 08 14:05
DaemonFCusualllyMar 08 14:05
GoForbes28Xfce 4.8 yet?Mar 08 14:06
DaemonFCif you're just testing something out that doesn't depend on GNOME, use the Kubuntu alphaMar 08 14:06
DaemonFCit's more likely to workMar 08 14:06
DaemonFCyeah, they have 4.8 in XubuntuMar 08 14:06
GoForbes28On another topic, between http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/jwalke/a_concrete_example_how_the_rei.html and all the other insane events in the U.S., I believe it may be effective to use a Stephen King idea and encase the U.S. in a dome until they've worked our their problemsMar 08 14:07
GoForbes28DaemonFC: good, 4.8 looks to be a big improvementMar 08 14:07
DaemonFCRed Hat did a good job in their software selections for RHEL 6Mar 08 14:08
GoForbes28And to those here in the U.S, good luckMar 08 14:08
DaemonFCI have yet to have anything crashMar 08 14:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: Google Mobile search adds Instant Previews on !Android 2.2 http://goo.gl/A18wrMar 08 14:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] A PaaS IDE? VMWare buys WaveMaker (Red Monk): http://bit.ly/fSM8CRMar 08 14:08
GoForbes28Have you tried Debian to test stability?Mar 08 14:08
DaemonFCyeah, I didn't like it that much thoughMar 08 14:08
DaemonFCbuilding a custom kernel so your audio won't pop and skip and jitter is a little extremeMar 08 14:09
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 14:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: #Honeycomb browser isn’t up to par on #HTML5 http://goo.gl/MB06s !androidMar 08 14:10
DaemonFCRHEL's KConfig seems to be a lot more well-roundedMar 08 14:10
DaemonFCthey defer to lower latency in cases where the throughput would increase latency a lot more than increasing throughputMar 08 14:10
DaemonFCso it's useful as a desktop kernelMar 08 14:10
DaemonFCDebian's KConfig is only really going to work if you don't mind audio distortions or you're going to use it as a serverMar 08 14:11
GoForbes28What's that alternative Debian kernel that's talked about?Mar 08 14:11
DaemonFCthey have several that I noticed, but none sounded appropriate for meMar 08 14:11
DaemonFCthe rest of the Debian system seems good, but their kernel configuration is not targeted for desktop/mutimedia useMar 08 14:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] However this blokaddikt fella is, he build himself a bloody fucking awesome home!!Mar 08 14:13
DaemonFCneither is RHEL's really, but I haven't had problems out of itMar 08 14:13
DaemonFCseveral long term Linux distributions have settled on Linux 2.6.32, so it's quite stable at this pointMar 08 14:14
DaemonFCthat's a plus in settling on one of those distributionsMar 08 14:14
DaemonFCbut RHEL and Ubuntu Lucid are the only ones getting periodic driver backportsMar 08 14:15
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DaemonFCeventually the Debian Squeeze CD will be too old to even boot on new hardwareMar 08 14:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Female Web Developers vs. Male Web Developers (Graphic.is): http://bit.ly/gAFeunMar 08 14:16
DaemonFCDebian is probably the wrong thing to standardize on if you plan on getting new hardware configurations within its life cycleMar 08 14:17
DaemonFCyou can look at RHEL release notes and see that they're porting new drivers back into their kernels regularlyMar 08 14:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh compared to xembed systray icons? how so?Mar 08 14:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I hereby announce that from now on I'll be boycotting EVERYONE to become a hermit, even ISPs have stock portfolios #disturbing #sarcasmMar 08 14:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the world is too #disturbing to live in, you can't do ANYTHING without some connection to something dodgy, best avoid the whole planetMar 08 14:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] UN needs to establish a no-fly zone over #Libya http://ur1.ca/3fc3hMar 08 14:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] damn, someone who contributes to a project has a job working for a company who exploiits slave wages, quick BOYCOTT THEM!Mar 08 14:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Microsoft admits open source under any copyleft license is banned on Windows Phone, says it will partially fix it: http://wmk.me/hVQ4EUMar 08 14:21
MinceRDaemonFC: what sound hw is that on?Mar 08 14:21
DaemonFCRealtek 7.1 HDAMar 08 14:22
DaemonFCit's integrated :)Mar 08 14:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] eeGods, #UK govt prop up a lot of regimes, BOYCOTT THEM, I refuse to co-operate with the UK tax system for political reasonsMar 08 14:23
GoForbes28is it proprietary?Mar 08 14:24
DaemonFCno, it works with a free driver and no firmware blobMar 08 14:24
DaemonFCif you use proprietary video drivers on Linux, you're being pragmatic, if you use proprietary audio drivers, you're nuts, if you try using proprietary TV tuner card drivers, you're flipping crazy and don't bitch when that far east no name chipset vendor abandons you in 6 monthsMar 08 14:26
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 14:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @fabsh Working fine here.Mar 08 14:26
DaemonFCI had an old cheapo tv tuner left over from a few years ago and noticed that the only attempted Linux support they ever gave it was a broken driver with a buggy kernel glue module that was only meant to work with Ubuntu 8.04Mar 08 14:27
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 14:27
DaemonFCthese outfits have all decided to follow the Nvidia GPL violation way and do the blob + glue approachMar 08 14:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @cryojenx: Mom's PC infested with #malware, I have GOT to get her switched to !Linux.Mar 08 14:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] all legit corps in the UK collaborate with the UK govt, should be boycotted as well, black & white world view is refreshing if #disturbingMar 08 14:28
DaemonFCUbuntu signs off on this because they're not worried about GPL violations and bad quality drivers that panic the kernelMar 08 14:28
DaemonFCthat's why you see this stack of blobs in Ubuntu that aren't supported even by other distros that don't care about free vs non-freeMar 08 14:29
DaemonFCthey're so broken that nobody else will touch them free or notMar 08 14:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Chavela Vargas - En el último trago http://is.gd/SJmmXAMar 08 14:30
DaemonFC"Cool, it makes my widget work when it's not molesting shared memory or overwriting /etc/shadow!"Mar 08 14:30
DaemonFC"I love Ubuntu!"Mar 08 14:30
DaemonFCjono rocks!Mar 08 14:30
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 14:30
jonoDaemonFC, I agreeMar 08 14:31
jonololMar 08 14:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @bob_sutor: Red Hat: Commitment to Open http://bit.ly/gABThC #linux #redhatMar 08 14:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxfoundation: Have an idea for a Linux Foundation #GSOC project? We want to know! http://linx.ly/eim3HwMar 08 14:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Microsoft admits open source under any copyleft license is banned on Windows Phone, says it will partially fix it: http://wmk.me/hVQ4EUMar 08 14:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Syncing page content with HTML5 video (a different kind of webinar) http://mzl.la/gAxBPQMar 08 14:31
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DaemonFCjono and the Ubuntu rubbernecking bill of goods distro from the year 3-effing-000Mar 08 14:31
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 14:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Discovering, authenticating, analyzing digital data - standard of admissibility in legal settings - interesting - http://is.gd/buVSm8Mar 08 14:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxaria: [Repost] How to realize a webcam server on !Linux with motion #floss #gnu http://ur1.ca/3fc22Mar 08 14:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @idolrevolver: It's awesome when, after tunnelling monotonously for ages, you break through into a vast cave system. #minecraftMar 08 14:33
DaemonFCif your goal is to release every 6 months and blindly package everything for your Debian testing/sid/experimental blend then I'm surprised that it works at allMar 08 14:33
DaemonFCthey test out and hand pick enough of the packages that the core system usually worksMar 08 14:33
DaemonFCbut once you start pulling in packages, it could be a coin toss if anyone has actually used them or if they simply didn't fail to build :)Mar 08 14:34
DaemonFCjono should just throw in ABRT and forget and leave it pointed to bugzilla.redhat.comMar 08 14:35
DaemonFCunintentional of course :)Mar 08 14:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh that statement is so full of fail it's hard to know where to begin.Mar 08 14:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @novitro: Nou #peblog: Cateva notiuni despre autentificarea cu doi factori http://bit.ly/dOLy0xMar 08 14:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] You know, I really love hotdogs, but I don't want them on my desktop to be honest...Mar 08 14:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Just arrived in time for !barca vs teh gooners :-)Mar 08 14:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh first off, status notifiers (or appindicators) do not enforce any uniformity. the visualization chooses how to represent things.Mar 08 14:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh second, i do expect my systray icon to appear in whatever desktop shell i'm using. so, yes, this tech does need to be broadly used.Mar 08 14:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh as for why the change: because the old icons don't provide ANY metadata nor can they be freely painted by the visualizationMar 08 14:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh that means they can't be merged into a taskbar, they can't be scaled, they can't be viewed in multiple places, they can't a11y'd wellMar 08 14:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh they can't be intelligently hidden/shown or grouped by function due to lack of metadata .. shall i go on?Mar 08 14:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh this has nothing to do with notifications.Mar 08 14:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh i'm not a fan of canonical's notifications either, and blogged why that is some time ago. but this about the systray icon replacementMar 08 14:40
DaemonFCsuccess measured by source lines changedMar 08 14:40
DaemonFCI think that must be Unity's policyMar 08 14:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh yes, but many/most people use applications written by many different projects and want to use them in their desktop shell of choice.Mar 08 14:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh one may also magically want to use a dock replacement and expect that to work, too.Mar 08 14:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh what part of "this about systray icons, not notifications" is hard for you to understand?Mar 08 14:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh and so because the a11y is better in one place, we should say "fuck it" to the systray icons? that makes no sense.Mar 08 14:43
GoForbes28so DaemonFC, what would be your choice of GNU/Linux distribution?Mar 08 14:45
DaemonFCseveral good onesMar 08 14:46
DaemonFCI'm gravitating towards Fedora and EL 6Mar 08 14:46
DaemonFCdepending on my systemMar 08 14:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Why Are You Really Posting All Those Facebook Photos? (Jezebel): http://bit.ly/eycBgbMar 08 14:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is fabsh with 163 dents!Mar 08 14:46
GoForbes28why fedora?Mar 08 14:46
DaemonFCthey have a higher degree of quality control than UbuntuMar 08 14:47
DaemonFCthey're more concerned with not letting nonfree and patented things get inMar 08 14:47
DaemonFCespecially in their default repos and desktopMar 08 14:47
GoForbes28Excepted for the blobbed kernels :(Mar 08 14:48
DaemonFCthey usually get newer technologies before Ubuntu doesMar 08 14:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh and what you're saying is dead wrong. :)Mar 08 14:48
DaemonFCtheir kernel isn't blobbedMar 08 14:48
GoForbes28yeah it isMar 08 14:48
DaemonFCthe blobs are all modules in external RPM packagesMar 08 14:48
GoForbes28They went the Debian route?Mar 08 14:48
DaemonFCDebian went the Fedora route :)Mar 08 14:49
DaemonFCexcept Fedora has some of those RPMs installed Mar 08 14:49
DaemonFCeasy to get rid of Mar 08 14:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Fedora 15 Alpha has been released: http://goo.gl/4U8ylMar 08 14:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: James Bond in Drag For International Women’s Day - http://bit.ly/dNal6t nicely done... #iwdMar 08 14:50
GoForbes28So Fedora uses a "libre" kernel?Mar 08 14:50
DaemonFCthe kernel itself isMar 08 14:50
twitternon free software is not easy to get rid of - you don't know what it has done - that's why it should not be used by default. Mar 08 14:50
DaemonFCthe firmware modules are externalMar 08 14:50
DaemonFCI don't use any more of it than I have toMar 08 14:50
twitteryou never have toMar 08 14:51
DaemonFCI take out firmware that isn't used by any of my devicesMar 08 14:51
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: they always didMar 08 14:51
Diablo-D3they also employ some of the most productive kernel devsMar 08 14:51
twitterI take out devices that require firmwareMar 08 14:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh the old system is an opaque blob in the form of an embedded window. the new one is 100% data: it can be presented as plain text, e.g.Mar 08 14:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] mmm fried egg roll, with sesame seeds too #tastyMar 08 14:51
DaemonFCin RHEL 6, you don't even have kernel blogs if you don't get them from ELrepoMar 08 14:51
DaemonFC*blobsMar 08 14:51
Diablo-D3firmware itself isnt a bad thing.Mar 08 14:51
Diablo-D3its when companies abuse that privledgeMar 08 14:52
twitterblobs are always a bad thingMar 08 14:52
Diablo-D3wifi chips are the worstMar 08 14:52
twitterthat you would need a blob to run hardware is always an abuseMar 08 14:52
DaemonFCBroadcom decided to open source their firmware after Fedora started reverse engineering itMar 08 14:52
Diablo-D3otoh you have radeons which the firmwares are deeply documented and extremely thinMar 08 14:52
DaemonFClolMar 08 14:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@glynmoody: Jolicloud Becomes JoliOS, Announces Cross-Platform Apps http://rww.to/gsEwHA interesting stuff, but still not really convincedMar 08 14:53
twitterif it's free software, it's not a blobMar 08 14:53
Diablo-D3its not freeMar 08 14:53
Diablo-D3but its also not really worth arguing aboutMar 08 14:54
Diablo-D3firmware issues almost entirely boil down to wifi cardsMar 08 14:54
twitterwhat do they use them for exactly?  Mar 08 14:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: InMobi Adds More Evidence That #Android Is #Winning (With 37 % Mobile #Ad Share) - http://tcrn.ch/dF9VBx as if we needed anyMar 08 14:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @ruiseabra: RT @schestowitz Forbes Estimates M$ Down to 75% Share of PCs http://ur1.ca/3eu8f #gnu #linux #mac #apple #windowsMar 08 14:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @wikileaks: #wikileaks: #Assange's rage against the state | NZ Herald http://is.gd/Q4iiKG http://bit.ly/hg82ZpMar 08 14:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @wikileaks: #wikileaks: Prisoners Help Build Patriot Missiles | Wired http://is.gd/fQtIFL http://bit.ly/eStLbbMar 08 14:55
GoForbes28according to amd developers, the ati firmware has something to do with DRMMar 08 14:55
Diablo-D3basically, the entire chip is really just firmwareMar 08 14:55
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: nopeMar 08 14:55
GoForbes28and I mean the restrictions kindMar 08 14:55
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: most of its bootingMar 08 14:55
Diablo-D3the rest is just shit like the atombios layerMar 08 14:55
twitterbooting what?Mar 08 14:55
Diablo-D3twitter: the video card.Mar 08 14:55
GoForbes28According to an AMD developer, "opening" the firmware would make their DRM implementation easier to circumventMar 08 14:56
twitterso what does it do for the video card that has to be done in a non free way?Mar 08 14:56
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: easier, yes. DRM is also done via the atombios layer.Mar 08 14:56
GoForbes28Doesn't apply to me, since I bought an Intel GMA HDMar 08 14:56
Diablo-D3twitter: its upgradable.Mar 08 14:56
Diablo-D3twitter: drivers have shipped new versions of it to fix bugs.Mar 08 14:56
Diablo-D3this is stuff you actually want to be firmware.Mar 08 14:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @mvalente: Portuguese artist Jorge Martinez one man show, #EPIC fireworks at 45s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0AObrbJsKkcMar 08 14:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @webmink: Microsoft admits open source under any copyleft license is banned on WP7, says it will partially fix it: http://wmk.me/hVQ4EUMar 08 14:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: Global piracy claims: report. 'Exceptionally detailed and insightful' http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49850Mar 08 14:56
twitterWindows is upgradable too, you just pave it with Debian.Mar 08 14:56
GoForbes28DaemonFC: BTW, since you like Fedora, BLAG's RC is outMar 08 14:56
GoForbes28http://www.blagblagblag.org/Mar 08 14:56
Diablo-D3but with wifiMar 08 14:56
Diablo-D3its much much worseMar 08 14:56
Diablo-D3the wifi chip doesnt do anythingMar 08 14:57
Diablo-D3theres no actual logic anywhere in itMar 08 14:57
Diablo-D3the ENTIRE engine is in the blobMar 08 14:57
twitterso, it's like winmodems all over again?Mar 08 14:57
DaemonFCblagblaglblablagblagblaglblablagMar 08 14:57
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 14:57
twitterbasically done to screw free software.Mar 08 14:57
Diablo-D3which if the documentation were ever to leak out, you'd have a fully reprogrammable digital radio that works on wifi frequencies (and possibly farther outside than that)Mar 08 14:57
Diablo-D3twitter: nopeMar 08 14:57
Diablo-D3its half done to screw oemsMar 08 14:57
twitterwonderfulMar 08 14:57
Diablo-D3its half to screw customersMar 08 14:58
Diablo-D3basicallyMar 08 14:58
Diablo-D3they've been selling the same G chip for yearsMar 08 14:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Happy #International #Women's Day! http://ur1.ca/3fc9aMar 08 14:58
Diablo-D3when N came out, many G chips were just had their PCI IDs changedMar 08 14:58
Diablo-D3and they were fed a firmware that does N perfectlyMar 08 14:58
DaemonFCOne thing I like about EL is that AMD supports it so Catalyst always has a module that's known to workMar 08 14:58
Diablo-D3like, ever wonder how pre-final spec N devices can be upgraded to N final?Mar 08 14:58
Diablo-D3its because _the entire chip_ is in that firmware blob.Mar 08 14:58
Diablo-D3if anyone figures out how to actually upgrade existing G shit to N on chips that can do it, all hell will break looseMar 08 14:59
twitterso the firmware also serves as cripple ware?Mar 08 14:59
Diablo-D3twitter: wellMar 08 14:59
Diablo-D3noMar 08 14:59
Diablo-D3cripple ware implies they sell two versions at the same timeMar 08 14:59
Diablo-D3they dontMar 08 14:59
Diablo-D3once N came out, G orders were ceased Mar 08 14:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Safe Creative enables creators to donate a portion of their sales to Creative Commons: http://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/26753Mar 08 15:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG: !Chromium browser gets new a logo. Ish. http://goo.gl/cFYu2Mar 08 15:00
twitterfabMar 08 15:00
Diablo-D3they just kept fabbing the same _chip_Mar 08 15:00
Diablo-D3just with a new firmware blob in the driverMar 08 15:00
DaemonFCthere's no Mono crap in the EL distrosMar 08 15:00
twitterfabulous!Mar 08 15:00
Diablo-D3now, in their defense... and there is oneMar 08 15:00
Diablo-D3international laws are so fucked with radio devices that theres tons of shit that they MUST doMar 08 15:00
Diablo-D3different frequencies, different power outputs, other random shit that has no place in a technical deviceMar 08 15:01
DaemonFCI looked around all the community RPM sites tooMar 08 15:01
twitterpeople with older cards can buy a new card to get the new blob but can't use the new blob with older cards.  so efficient!Mar 08 15:01
DaemonFCthere's no way to install Mono in RHEL without building itMar 08 15:01
Diablo-D3its DRM locked down by the lawMar 08 15:01
Diablo-D3twitter: basicallyMar 08 15:01
twitterthat is typical non free software forced hardware churnMar 08 15:02
GoForbes28DaemonFC: Nice.  Back to Fedora though, how do I prevent proprietary firmware from installing?Mar 08 15:02
Diablo-D3twitter: yes.Mar 08 15:02
Diablo-D3twitter: now, its actually _not_ an issue.Mar 08 15:02
Diablo-D3twitter: the issue is they wont give the blobs outMar 08 15:02
DaemonFCnot sure you canMar 08 15:02
Diablo-D3and sometimes threaten to sue Linux distros for distributing themMar 08 15:02
Diablo-D3guess what happens when they do thatMar 08 15:02
DaemonFCyou can take it out after the fact through PackagekitMar 08 15:02
Diablo-D3people stop buying themMar 08 15:02
twitterI try not to buy them.Mar 08 15:03
DaemonFCsearch firmware and start seeing what you can get rid ofMar 08 15:03
Diablo-D3now, not all companies are utter dicksMar 08 15:03
Diablo-D3Intel wifi chips work out of the box in linuxMar 08 15:03
twitterBroadcom has a particularly well deserved bad name.Mar 08 15:03
GoForbes28Diablo-D3 & Twitter: Damn, Bill C-32 in Canada would defintely open up a can of worms greater than I originally thoughtMar 08 15:03
Diablo-D3twitter: broadcom is fucked because their chips suckMar 08 15:03
Diablo-D3twitter: everything else is secondaryMar 08 15:03
twitterIntel graphics supposedly suck but software freedom makes them wonderful to me.  Mar 08 15:04
Diablo-D3twitter: I dont care if tommorow broadcom shit out free 100% open source for every single chipMar 08 15:04
twitterfreedom is primaryMar 08 15:04
Diablo-D3I wont buy broadcomMar 08 15:04
Diablo-D3twitter: btw, noMar 08 15:04
Diablo-D3Intel is trying to buy customersMar 08 15:04
Diablo-D3and their shit wont work on meMar 08 15:04
twitterworks for meMar 08 15:04
Diablo-D3then you're an idiotMar 08 15:04
GoForbes28DaemonFC: I assume they make the licences clear?Mar 08 15:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] @fabsh If McD's #coffee is the best on the road there, then you've just shattered my image of #Deutschland. heheMar 08 15:05
Diablo-D3Intel is trying to buy themselves a good name in the free software communityMar 08 15:05
DaemonFCyesMar 08 15:05
twitterI'd buy their graphics chipsets as external cards for other computers if I couldMar 08 15:05
DaemonFCeverything in Fedora specifies the licenseMar 08 15:05
Diablo-D3twitter: why, with their shitty linux support?Mar 08 15:05
twitterI like things that work.Mar 08 15:05
GoForbes28Diablo-D3: Their support is fineMar 08 15:05
MinceR"shitty" as in it works, unlike all the others?Mar 08 15:05
Diablo-D3Ask any Mesa/Gallium/X devMar 08 15:05
Diablo-D3their code sucksMar 08 15:05
Diablo-D3the only time an intel card works is when they throw the intel code out and do it themselvesMar 08 15:06
GoForbes28Diablo-D3: And we aren't all sheep, we aren't dumping money for Sandy Bridge any time soonMar 08 15:06
Diablo-D3nothing Intel has ever submitted to anyone has ever worked right.Mar 08 15:06
MinceRask them if KMS works with the official drivers for the other manufacturers :>Mar 08 15:06
Diablo-D3MinceR: it doesnt.Mar 08 15:06
twitterit might suck, but it's free.  non free code from other makers may suck even more.Mar 08 15:06
DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1104_radeon&num=2Mar 08 15:06
Diablo-D3not on any intel's own driver.Mar 08 15:06
MinceRDiablo-D3: then i must be imagining thingsMar 08 15:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @lamm Where do you live?Mar 08 15:06
Diablo-D3it only works on intel drivers X wrote themselves.Mar 08 15:06
DaemonFCThe open source Radeon driver performance has doubled in the last 6 monthsMar 08 15:06
Diablo-D3intel is trying to take credit on someone else's workMar 08 15:06
DaemonFCstill way lower than CatalystMar 08 15:07
Diablo-D3otoh, AMD has spent millions on their open source effortMar 08 15:07
Diablo-D3programming manuals, paying mesa/gallium/X devs, etcMar 08 15:07
Diablo-D3Intel has done none of this.Mar 08 15:07
Diablo-D3Intel can go fuck themselvesMar 08 15:07
MinceRah, the old "it cost a lot so it must be good" argumentMar 08 15:07
DaemonFCthey spent millions to acheve half the performance of FGLRX?Mar 08 15:08
MinceRi've even heard that about m$ visual javaMar 08 15:08
Diablo-D3MinceR: no, the "doing the right thing" argumentMar 08 15:08
Diablo-D3where the fuck is Intel's programming manuals? whos salaries are they paying?Mar 08 15:08
DaemonFCI concede that they did do some things right in radeon that have been fucked for years in FGLRXMar 08 15:08
DaemonFCbut it is SLOWMar 08 15:08
Diablo-D3All they do is hand out broken code that no one wants and try to get the PR for itMar 08 15:08
MinceRwhere the fuck are amd's working, well performing free software GPU drivers?Mar 08 15:08
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Diablo-D3MinceR: where are intel's?Mar 08 15:08
sebsebsebHiMar 08 15:09
MinceRright in the kernel treeMar 08 15:09
Diablo-D3MinceR: nope.Mar 08 15:09
MinceRhay sebsebseb Mar 08 15:09
DaemonFCwhere are Intels GPUs?Mar 08 15:09
Diablo-D3MinceR: there are no drivers in the kernel.Mar 08 15:09
twitteron my laptopsMar 08 15:09
sebsebsebMinceR: hayMar 08 15:09
MinceRDaemonFC: on mainboards and in cpusMar 08 15:09
DaemonFCperhaps I can go buy oneMar 08 15:09
GoForbes28sebsebseb: HIMar 08 15:09
DaemonFCand plug it into my motherboardMar 08 15:09
Diablo-D3MinceR: KMS and DRM are in the kernel, thats just _part_ of the driver.Mar 08 15:09
sebsebsebwho's GoForbes28 ?Mar 08 15:09
DaemonFCdo they have hardware T&L yet or are they still in 2002?Mar 08 15:09
DaemonFC:DMar 08 15:09
Diablo-D3MinceR: how do you do GLSL shaders without Gallium's GLSL shader being complete?Mar 08 15:09
Diablo-D3MinceR: the radeon driver is the most feature complete driver in mesa/gallium/X atm.Mar 08 15:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] I think saying of the day goes something like this "you can only kick a dog so much before it turns around and bites you"Mar 08 15:10
MinceRi'll tell you wen i start caringMar 08 15:10
MinceRs/we/whe/Mar 08 15:10
DaemonFCtheir GLSL is broken and missing lots of featuresMar 08 15:10
DaemonFCbut it beats the classic Mesa driversMar 08 15:10
GoForbes28sebsebseb: I'm the guy who showed up and up and decided to edit and contribute to some of Roy's articles.Mar 08 15:10
Diablo-D3then dont ask the question if you dont like the answer.Mar 08 15:10
Diablo-D3radeon is more supported by foss than anything else.Mar 08 15:10
Diablo-D3gallium exists because of AMD's efforts.Mar 08 15:10
MinceRi'm not the one asking the question hereMar 08 15:10
Diablo-D3[03:08:38] <MinceR> where the fuck are amd's working, well performing free software GPU drivers?Mar 08 15:10
sebsebsebGoForbes28: oh?Mar 08 15:11
Diablo-D3you asked. they're front row and center on Linux.Mar 08 15:11
sebsebsebGoForbes28: doesn't mean much to me, I don't tend to bother reading his blog enteriesMar 08 15:11
MinceRthat's not what i hear from everyone elseMar 08 15:11
Diablo-D3MinceR: everyone else is a fucking nvidia fanMar 08 15:11
DaemonFCMinceR: They're good enough for a workstationMar 08 15:11
MinceRrightMar 08 15:11
Diablo-D3and if I hear one more fucking asshole say nvidia has better linux support, Im going to castrate themMar 08 15:11
DaemonFCthat's all the better they'll get tooMar 08 15:11
DaemonFC(RHEL)Mar 08 15:11
MinceRDiablo-D3: everyone else is driving on the wrong side of the road!Mar 08 15:11
Diablo-D3MinceR: so you support closed source pro-Windows companies now?Mar 08 15:11
MinceRi don'tMar 08 15:11
Diablo-D3then why back them upMar 08 15:12
MinceRi'm not backing them up, i'm backing the facts upMar 08 15:12
Diablo-D3the only people saying radeon's foss drivers suck are people who dont care about freedomMar 08 15:12
DaemonFCMinceR: I doubt Red Hat really has a fire lit under their ass to get free video driversMar 08 15:12
DaemonFCNvidia and AMD already officially support RHELMar 08 15:12
Diablo-D3the radeon driver is the most feature complete X/gallium driver.Mar 08 15:12
GoForbes28sebsebseb: I wasn't trying to pontificate, I just told you the truthMar 08 15:12
Diablo-D3not intel.Mar 08 15:12
MinceRafaik amd's free drivers underperform their winblows driversMar 08 15:12
GoForbes28sebsebseb: That is literally my story hereMar 08 15:12
Diablo-D3MinceR: their closed source ones? not for me, I get higher FPS vs windows.Mar 08 15:13
sebsebsebGoForbes28: I am not following you 100%Mar 08 15:13
DaemonFCMinceR: Their Windows driver code and FGLRX driver code is largely the same thingMar 08 15:13
Diablo-D3theres even a case where I get higher FPS _in wine_ over native windowsMar 08 15:13
DaemonFCsame with NvidiaMar 08 15:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] @fabsh Born & raised in Puerto Rico, but I've lived in Tennessee, USA for 11+ years; my last duty station in the army, so I stayed here.Mar 08 15:13
MinceRDiablo-D3: maybe i'm working with outdated infoMar 08 15:13
Diablo-D3MinceR: you are. you're about a year nehind.Mar 08 15:13
Diablo-D3_all_ drivers sucked a year agoMar 08 15:13
GoForbes28sebsebseb: I'm not sure what you mean.Mar 08 15:13
Diablo-D3it was fglrx or nvidia and that was your two choicesMar 08 15:13
DaemonFCMinceR: Think huge blob with a little bit of glue to make it work on Windows and OS X and LinuxMar 08 15:13
DaemonFC(FGLRX)Mar 08 15:14
MinceRDaemonFC: wasn't sure how the remaining parts affect performanceMar 08 15:14
Diablo-D3gallium's glsl driver will be finished sometime this year, and mesa is also going to claim GL3 compatibility soonMar 08 15:14
DaemonFCthe FGLRX driver benefits from improvements to the Windows and OS X driverMar 08 15:14
MinceRespecially considering that the glue on winblows tends to be nonfree as wellMar 08 15:14
Diablo-D3something two years ago was thought impossible.Mar 08 15:14
DaemonFCby virtue of being the same codeMar 08 15:14
MinceRso almost nobody knows what's in thereMar 08 15:14
GoForbes28sebsebseb: I just meant I wasn't trying to flaut that I editted some of Roy's articlesMar 08 15:14
Diablo-D3MinceR: and btw, I dont know what DaemonFC said, but yes, if Mesa/Gallium doesnt expose an important extension thats required for performance, performance suffers.Mar 08 15:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Check out @superhumanoids new EP "Parasite Paradise" under CC BY-NC: http://t.co/gQUsqX1 (w/former CC staff @cameronparkins!)Mar 08 15:15
DaemonFCMinceR: FGLRX and Catalyst for Windows lately are on par with each otherMar 08 15:15
Diablo-D3MinceR: the biggest issue was the native shader compiler which is required by all modern GPUs no matter the manufMar 08 15:15
DaemonFCit's one of those +/- 5% dealsMar 08 15:15
Diablo-D3MinceR: ie, anything with a "unified shader"Mar 08 15:15
MinceRDiablo-D3: by "remaining parts" i meant the parts of the driver that isn't common between winblows and linuxMar 08 15:15
MinceRs/isn/aren/Mar 08 15:15
Diablo-D3there are no remaining parts thenMar 08 15:15
Diablo-D3everything is a software program running on a GPU.Mar 08 15:15
Diablo-D3_everything_Mar 08 15:15
MinceRthere's still code you need to get the OS to load that stuff into the GPUMar 08 15:16
MinceRand code that talks to the GPUMar 08 15:16
Diablo-D3yup, and its nearly identicalMar 08 15:16
DaemonFCthe lack of KMS support is really the only glaring technical limitation of FGLRX at this pointMar 08 15:16
DaemonFCaside from a few bugs here and there Mar 08 15:16
Diablo-D3theres exactly one way to do this correctlyMar 08 15:16
twitterrms points to this http://www.counterpunch.org/sommers02282011.htmlMar 08 15:17
Diablo-D3the biggest change in the X/Mesa/Gallium stack is to actually do it correctlyMar 08 15:17
Diablo-D3infact, Gallium is so well written that Microsoft mostly copied it for their 7/DX11 driver stack.Mar 08 15:17
twitterif you have software freedom, you can fix things.  if you don't you can'tMar 08 15:18
Diablo-D3Exactly, and AMD clearly has come out in support of software freedomMar 08 15:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @lamm That isn't fair. You probably have drive-in coffee shops. The US is *the* drive-in nation...Mar 08 15:18
Diablo-D3in their words, "we dont write software, we're not a software company, we'll have the people who are experts at it write it for Linux"Mar 08 15:18
Diablo-D3and I salute themMar 08 15:18
DaemonFCMinceR: There's a few things I really wish I could use that the free drivers haveMar 08 15:18
DaemonFCbut I can't justify cutting my overall performance in half to get thoseMar 08 15:19
Diablo-D3The only alternative to AMD? Nvidia unofficially threatened to sue the the Novaeu developers early on.Mar 08 15:19
DaemonFCNvidia is generally hostile to free softwareMar 08 15:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Jorge Castro: !Unity Bitesize Progress Report for 8 March http://goo.gl/C3ByKMar 08 15:20
DaemonFCthe only reason the support Linux in any capacity is due to RHEL and SLEMar 08 15:20
GoForbes28Of course, Noveau also uses proprietary firmware, so that's outMar 08 15:20
MinceRDaemonFC: so the free driver is still half as fast as fglrx?Mar 08 15:20
DaemonFCeveryone else is a free beta testerMar 08 15:20
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: nvidia's is thin and ... well, badly documented.Mar 08 15:20
MinceRGoForbes28: i thought they couldn't do thatMar 08 15:20
Diablo-D3MinceR: not because fglrx is better code, the free driver is missing some things stillMar 08 15:20
GoForbes28Couldn't use proprietary firmware?  Well, they do for 3D accelerationMar 08 15:20
DaemonFCMinceR: Yes, Mesa 7.10 is twice as fast as 7.9 with r600gMar 08 15:21
Diablo-D3MinceR: if you tell the software that moronix benchmarks to use the same code paths on both radeon and fglrx, they're more similar in speedMar 08 15:21
GoForbes28Remove the blob, say bye-bye to 3d support in noveauMar 08 15:21
DaemonFC7.9 was therefore more like 25% of the speed of FGLRXMar 08 15:21
DaemonFCnot bad for a few months work I guessMar 08 15:21
Diablo-D3btw, novaeu has a very minimal impl of that firmware for 2D supportMar 08 15:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Writing, Delegating, Researching: Marketing !GNOME 3 http://goo.gl/vUD3BMar 08 15:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @cryojenx: We talk about our #Facebook addiction, but what about our #Google addiction?Mar 08 15:21
Diablo-D3nvidia wrote it for the nv driver before they stopped support of itMar 08 15:21
Diablo-D3also, btw, re radeon's atombiosMar 08 15:21
DaemonFCNvidia doesn't have a case to sue over NouveauMar 08 15:21
Diablo-D3AMD wants that whole part of the firmware to be able to be built freeMar 08 15:22
DaemonFCthere's no Nvidia source code in it except what was already in NVMar 08 15:22
DaemonFCI'm sure the lawyers told them that Mar 08 15:22
Diablo-D3atombios is what translates driver commands into the native internal radeon stackMar 08 15:22
Diablo-D3its basically the software for the command processor in the gpuMar 08 15:22
DaemonFCyes, but the registers are all documented tooMar 08 15:22
DaemonFCthere's no reason other than time consumption why radeon couldn't use that Mar 08 15:23
DaemonFClike radeonhd was doingMar 08 15:23
Diablo-D3like half the programming manual's hardware API chapters detail how to use the atombios interfaceMar 08 15:23
GoForbes28Funny that if this firmware is so well documented, why it couldn't be reverse engineeredMar 08 15:23
DaemonFCthe atombios is supposedly a superset each generation of hardwareMar 08 15:23
DaemonFCso the support you already have for the last batch of cards is still thereMar 08 15:23
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: read above where I said AMD wants it to be free software and provided by the driverMar 08 15:23
DaemonFCAtomBIOS is just a convenience for the programmerMar 08 15:24
Diablo-D3basically AMD wants X/Gallium to provide a more optimized version that does what they want instead of what AMD chose for their Windows driverMar 08 15:24
DaemonFCwhich I'm all forMar 08 15:24
DaemonFCI'd rather have useful drivers this year than 2 years from nowMar 08 15:24
GoForbes28AMD wants it to be, fine.Mar 08 15:24
Diablo-D3What AMD wants, AMD gets. And we're all the better for it.Mar 08 15:24
GoForbes28Why ISN'T it?Mar 08 15:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Oracle Mobilizes Inventory Management (CIO): http://bit.ly/e2SGylMar 08 15:25
Diablo-D3Not sureMar 08 15:25
DaemonFCwell half the speed of Catalyst is a lot better than nothingMar 08 15:25
DaemonFCwhich is what Evergreen users had 8 months agoMar 08 15:25
Diablo-D3probably because the driver isnt finished yet and its not a high priorityMar 08 15:25
Diablo-D3most likely AMD's impl is the most efficientMar 08 15:25
GoForbes28uh huhMar 08 15:25
DaemonFCif you want the best battery life, use radeon, not FGLRXMar 08 15:25
DaemonFCI think that's a givenMar 08 15:25
DaemonFC(and enable dynamic power management)Mar 08 15:26
GoForbes28brbMar 08 15:26
Diablo-D3its a really tiny blobMar 08 15:26
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twittera tiny prickMar 08 15:28
twitterwasn't rape, she hardly noticed Mar 08 15:29
twitterhttp://www.theage.com.au/environment/conservation/the-gulf-oil-spills-toxic-legacy-20110225-1b8mz.htmlMar 08 15:29
MinceRif she hardly notices, you're doing it wrongMar 08 15:29
MinceR;)Mar 08 15:29
twitterit's more a matter of consent, I thinkMar 08 15:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] OpenText acquires mobile development vendor WeComm (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/fq3NUYMar 08 15:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 'Bullied' #police to stage protests over pay cuts - http://bit.ly/idFsWg I have only one thing to say to this: "kettling"Mar 08 15:31
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sebsebsebhmm so Schestwotiz is away right, butMar 08 15:32
sebsebsebwho's running the bots then?Mar 08 15:32
twitterlol, kettling police to be kettled Mar 08 15:33
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AdmFubar_hi allMar 08 15:33
AdmFubar_are the rss feeds working ok?Mar 08 15:34
twitterPolice man's lament, "I smashed a communist with my night stick and did not care because I was not a communist ... "Mar 08 15:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @glynmoody: 'Bullied' #police to stage protests over pay cuts - http://bit.ly/idFsWg I have only one thing to say to this: "kettling"Mar 08 15:35
twitterno sure Fubar, I've seen a lot of little red x errors over feeds for the past couple of daysMar 08 15:35
AdmFubar_i stopped getting updated feeds yesterday..Mar 08 15:35
AdmFubar_kind odd that there is such a lull from here! :OMar 08 15:36
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twitterthere's nothing new since the Vaporware article that I can seeMar 08 15:36
AdmFubar_yeah that was the last item i got..Mar 08 15:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @jospoortvliet ♻ @micu: Why #Nokia Hasn’t Ditched #MeeGo is.gd/VbSz06 #Microsoft #Windows !linux !kde !gnomeMar 08 15:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Protesters securing secret documents throughout #Egypt as State Security tries to shred, burn, destroy evidence https://eff.org/r.3z4Mar 08 15:38
GoForbes28wow, that was a painful experienceMar 08 15:38
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GoForbes28Trying to reconnect to the IRC, that isMar 08 15:38
AdmFubar_well i'll keep looking for new feeds, laters allMar 08 15:38
GoForbes28see yaMar 08 15:39
GoForbes28so where were we?Mar 08 15:39
GoForbes28Ah yesMar 08 15:39
GoForbes28We were talking about blobsMar 08 15:39
GoForbes28or blagsMar 08 15:39
GoForbes28or blowholesMar 08 15:39
GoForbes28I can't rememberMar 08 15:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Learning to Love the (Shallow, Divisive, Unreliable) New Media (The Atlantic): http://bit.ly/h4u8ZYMar 08 15:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Democrats roll out #climate change big guns, Republicans remain immune - http://bit.ly/idXz12 breathtaking arrogance by non-scientistsMar 08 15:40
GoForbes28anywhoMar 08 15:40
GoForbes28As far as I can tell, the drivers for the GMA HD, Core iX processors work fine, or at least adequatelyMar 08 15:40
GoForbes28Diablo-D3: Was it you who said these drivers were "ripped off" from FGLRX?Mar 08 15:41
Diablo-D3noMar 08 15:42
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: no one said that.Mar 08 15:42
Diablo-D3I said Intel tried to take credit on all the hard work the X/Mesa/Gallium developers have done.Mar 08 15:42
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Diablo-D3And the work that, basically, AMD has paid at least some for.Mar 08 15:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] NPR exec, I mean, a hero calls a Tea Party racist; naturally the Tea Party has a problem with the truth http://ur1.ca/3fchuMar 08 15:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Fearing iTunes-Like Domination, #Hollywood Plots Netflix’s Downfall - http://bit.ly/dSlRrn yeah, must destroy anything new that succeeds...Mar 08 15:43
Diablo-D3Remember, those magical Intel drivers use the same KMS, DRM, DRI, Gallium, Mesa, and X all the other modern FOSS drivers doMar 08 15:43
GoForbes28Well that's fine with meMar 08 15:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @planetfedora: Ryan Rix: Something you can't have a beef with: in case you haven't noticed, his holiness's followe... http://bit.ly/gHBc4HMar 08 15:45
GoForbes28The taking credit part is rather dickish, but if Intel utilizes modern Free software technologies, then there's not really a problem is there?Mar 08 15:45
Diablo-D3no, there isntMar 08 15:45
Diablo-D3notice I put Intel on the list ahead of nvidia, which is waaaaaaaAAaaaAAAaaaAAAaaAAaaAAaay at the bottomMar 08 15:45
Diablo-D3but the gap between AMD and Intel is similarly hugeMar 08 15:45
Diablo-D3Intel doesnt support FOSS, they just use it.Mar 08 15:45
Diablo-D3AMD supports it, and Nvidia is Microsoft's lackey.Mar 08 15:46
Diablo-D3thats about the jist of thingsMar 08 15:46
GoForbes28Well, we know that Intel has ulterior motives, that's been proven time and time againMar 08 15:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] State of Play: Public Sector Information in the United States - http://bit.ly/enFVRg useful to have #opendata #publicsectorMar 08 15:46
GoForbes28at the same time, if they release adequate, totally Free software drivers, we can't really fault themMar 08 15:46
Diablo-D3but _they_ dont release themMar 08 15:47
Diablo-D3they try to claim the drivers they released (which are foss) are the same ones that users eventually useMar 08 15:47
Diablo-D3and its not trueMar 08 15:47
Diablo-D3theres been several instances where FOSS devs just used their drivers as a form of documentation and rewrote them from the ground upMar 08 15:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Fox Sends DMCA Takedown To #Google To Remove Link To DMCA Takedown Sent By Fox - http://bit.ly/fM0iN7 "Ah, meta #DMCA takedowns."Mar 08 15:48
GoForbes28Ok, were the rewritten drivers good?Mar 08 15:48
Diablo-D3Yes, very.Mar 08 15:48
Diablo-D3Well, from what Ive heard anywaysMar 08 15:48
Diablo-D3its almost as well done as the radeon driverMar 08 15:49
GoForbes28so the end result is quality drivers that are totally freeMar 08 15:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] @fabsh The whole idea is that you can still have the implementation in a more robust and cross-desktop way. Its not about the visualization!Mar 08 15:50
GoForbes28as I said before, no one is defending Intel hereMar 08 15:50
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: yes, but the end result is AMD paying for the driver stack Intel is usingMar 08 15:50
Diablo-D3and AMD is totally aware of it and doesnt careMar 08 15:50
Diablo-D3they truly understand FOSSMar 08 15:50
GoForbes28I may have bought a GMA HD, but never because of Intel's "unquestionable support" of Free softwareMar 08 15:50
Diablo-D3Im waiting for Microsoft to try to buy AMD or somethingMar 08 15:50
GoForbes28I bought it because there were totally Free drivers available, period.Mar 08 15:51
GoForbes28Along with some other technical reasons, but that's another thing entirelyMar 08 15:51
Diablo-D3well, the large issue for Intel now isMar 08 15:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] @fabsh We've 2 Starbucks in town, both have drive-thrus—one is >7km from me. Drive-in burger places are popular too.Drive-thru nation indeedMar 08 15:51
Diablo-D3a) they dont sell them as video cardsMar 08 15:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Billions of dead fish invade Redondo's King Harbor Marina - http://bit.ly/g0xx0o perfectly normal natural cycle - probably just the weatherMar 08 15:51
Diablo-D3b) THEY ARE AS SLOW AS FUCKMar 08 15:51
GoForbes28Microsoft buying AMD?  Microsoft isn't in the position to buy a banana from a supermarketMar 08 15:52
GoForbes28Slow as F**k?  compared to what?Mar 08 15:52
Diablo-D3anything else that does 3D.Mar 08 15:52
Diablo-D3Intel is really behind the curveMar 08 15:52
GoForbes28I've run Left 4 Dead on whatever settings it uses, and it was smooth and fastMar 08 15:52
Diablo-D3their new GMA HD 2/3 chips are the first ones to be able to run OpenCL, for oneMar 08 15:53
GoForbes28Yeah, if I turned up everything to maximum then probably there would be problemsMar 08 15:53
Diablo-D3and it wasnt until GMA 4 that they could decode bluraysMar 08 15:53
GoForbes28but I'm coming from a Radeon 9000 ProMar 08 15:53
GoForbes28I don't and will never use blurayMar 08 15:53
GoForbes28So I don't careMar 08 15:53
Diablo-D3by bluray, I mean high bandwidth high profile h264 of a certain resolutionMar 08 15:53
GoForbes28Yeah, the GMA HD doesn't equal a full-fledged graphics cardMar 08 15:54
GoForbes28but it gives me the performance I demandMar 08 15:54
Diablo-D3its about where AMD's northbridge gpus and Fusion gpus are.Mar 08 15:54
Diablo-D3which is kind of patheticMar 08 15:54
GoForbes28I don't need an overperforming (for me) graphics card in a laptop adding weight and heatMar 08 15:54
Diablo-D3yeah, thats fine for a laptopMar 08 15:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Climbing over FarmVille, Messenger now #2 Facebook app - http://bit.ly/e4nMJi "The love affair of Ballmer & Zuckerberg continues unabated"Mar 08 15:55
Diablo-D3but I'd still buy a fusion laptop before a... mac or whateverMar 08 15:55
GoForbes28fusion being what again?Mar 08 15:55
Diablo-D3they moved the radeon cores into the cpu die, so they're htx native coresMar 08 15:55
Diablo-D3you end up with an 18w chipset that outperforms intel's newest atom generation in everythingMar 08 15:56
GoForbes28Which would matter to me when I buy a netbookMar 08 15:56
Diablo-D3flat out speed, it does h264 decoding and atom doesnt, it does opencl and atom doesntMar 08 15:56
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: nope, it gets betterMar 08 15:56
Diablo-D3its so fast, its also as fast as Intel's low end laptop cpusMar 08 15:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The United States of Charlie Sheen - http://bit.ly/hQ9WyW wonderful, witty post #economicsMar 08 15:56
Diablo-D3at half the wattsMar 08 15:56
Diablo-D3it just completely screw Intel overMar 08 15:56
GoForbes28Driver support is the key here thoughMar 08 15:56
Diablo-D3driver support existed basically 2 years before the chip didMar 08 15:57
Diablo-D3well, 1.5 yearsMar 08 15:57
GoForbes28ookMar 08 15:57
Diablo-D3the radeon cores are basically generic radeon 5xxx coresMar 08 15:57
GoForbes28are there totally Free drivers available?Mar 08 15:57
Diablo-D3they just had to handle some niggling shit and add PCI IDsMar 08 15:57
Diablo-D3yes, but its not out of trunk yetMar 08 15:57
GoForbes28no firmware blobs whatsoever?Mar 08 15:57
GoForbes28proprietary, that is?Mar 08 15:58
Diablo-D3no, uses the existing ones iircMar 08 15:58
GoForbes28Then I won't get itMar 08 15:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] @fabsh We've 2 Starbucks in town, both have drive-thrus—one is <7km from me. Drive-in burger places are popular too.Drive-thru nation indeedMar 08 15:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] Obama's 180 on #gitmo is his biggest failure: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/07/AR2011030704871.htmlMar 08 15:58
GoForbes28I'm serious about thisMar 08 15:58
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: like I said, radeons dont have real firmware blobs.Mar 08 15:58
GoForbes28but it is enough for it not to work with Linux libre or distro like TrisquelMar 08 15:59
Diablo-D3theres no reason for the radeon driver not to already use it's own other than the devs are busy as hellMar 08 15:59
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: works on debianMar 08 15:59
GoForbes28Once you install the firmware...Mar 08 15:59
Diablo-D3yes, but I dont think radeon is in the nonfree firmware packageMar 08 15:59
Diablo-D3but I could be wrongMar 08 15:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Second half starts. 1 - 0 to !barca !footballMar 08 16:00
GoForbes28I have to go for class, may bblMar 08 16:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Massive Research Report On 'Piracy' In Emerging Economies; Debunks Entire Foundation Of US Foreign IP Policy - http://bit.ly/gHIStIMar 08 16:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I approve. ♺ @biglesp: drinking rum ...that is all. !loMar 08 16:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @lamm Starbucks are all in inner-city areas w/o drive-throughs in Germany or I would go there. Can't park close to the ones in Bonn though.Mar 08 16:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Shite! Nobody likes to see that! !barca !footballMar 08 16:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @rrix I don't care about cross-desktop. I only run one desktop. So do 95% of users.Mar 08 16:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @lamm I have 3 Starbucks in < 1km from me. Great on foot, sucks if you're in a car.Mar 08 16:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Red card Persie #sweet :) !barcaMar 08 16:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] @fabsh and for those who run kde apps on gnome or the other way around?Mar 08 16:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] @fabsh more people do that than you realize.Mar 08 16:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @rrix I know that people do that. The KDE apps I've used on Gnome all worked well as far as tray icons were concerned.Mar 08 16:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @rrix Of course, the theming of the windows is horrible.....Mar 08 16:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] slogan idea: I find your lack of FaiF #disturbingMar 08 16:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] News Corp Backs Digital #Music Alternative - http://on.mash.to/ht5xhY intriguing, but I don't quite get the business model hereMar 08 16:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] <3 ♺ @psquid: First stop on my sightseeing tour of the !lo !minecraft server: a Nuclear Chicken! http://i.imgur.com/5T5fO.pngMar 08 16:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Arsenal are fowling bastards. That is all !barcaMar 08 16:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @biglesp: just one more rum, its a school night !loMar 08 16:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Pure genius: Charlie Brooker iPad 2 http://outl.ws/dLuOBzMar 08 16:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Goooooaaaaallllll !barca !footballMar 08 16:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "We are now a species that applauds cables."Mar 08 16:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "Apparently not everyone is seeing the iPad as the shit miracle it is."Mar 08 16:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "You'll be entering skeleton mode..."Mar 08 16:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Installing Fedora 15 Alpha on my netbook. Let's see how GNOME Shell works on my Eee PC 701.Mar 08 16:23
DaemonFCI tried out GNOME ShellMar 08 16:23
DaemonFCit didn't end up being far off from the picture of "GNOME 3" on UncyclopediaMar 08 16:24
sebsebsebDaemonFC: was it the latest version?Mar 08 16:24
DaemonFChttp://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060111175314/uncyclopedia/images/4/48/Next-gnome.pngMar 08 16:24
DaemonFCheheMar 08 16:24
sebsebsebDaemonFC: i'll upgrade to KDE 4.6.1 in  PC Linux OS, laterMar 08 16:25
sebsebsebDaemonFC: ok just seen that imageMar 08 16:25
sebsebsebso basically your saying, that you had issues?Mar 08 16:25
DaemonFCI'm saying they even got rid of the appearance settingsMar 08 16:26
DaemonFCat least from what I could tell, all you can do is change the wallpaperMar 08 16:26
sebsebsebuhmmMar 08 16:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @psquid: Second stop on my sightseeing tour of the !lo !minecraft server: a big-ass wall, with a stairway! http://i.imgur.com/EWL5P.pngMar 08 16:26
sebsebsebthere's a new programMar 08 16:26
sebsebsebfor changing wall papers and stuff like thatMar 08 16:26
MinceRis it called gconf-editor?Mar 08 16:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] RT @glynmoody 'Bullied' #police to stage protests over pay cuts - http://bit.ly/idFsWg I have only one thing to say to this: "kettling"Mar 08 16:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] RT @glynmoody State of Play: Public Sector Information in the United States - http://bit.ly/enFVRg useful to have #opendata #publicsectorMar 08 16:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Yay! #Tenn. #Teachers Join Battle Against Anti-Union Bills http://n.pr/fE0iF0 #Nashville #TNMar 08 16:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] RT @glynmoody Fearing iTunes-Like Domination, #Hollywood Plots Netflix’s Downfall - http://bit.ly/dSlRrn yeah, must destroy anything new ...Mar 08 16:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] RT @glynmoody James Bond in Drag For International Women’s Day - http://bit.ly/dNal6t nicely done... #iwdMar 08 16:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] On comes Bender. To little too late.Mar 08 16:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] FUCK ME! Oo ♺ @psquid: behind the wall. Really awesome! http://i.imgur.comMar 08 16:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pmctechblog/@pmctechblog] Will !Unity or !Gnome 3.0 be able to do video or live backgrounds easier than Gnome 2? !ubuntu !linuxMar 08 16:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Afellay comes on just chuckle at the gooner performance. !football !barcaMar 08 16:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] RT @mv Wis. Republicans Flee Public Meeting Filled with Supporters of Public Employees http://bit.ly/dWsqQ7 !wisconsin !ilm !a http://ur ...Mar 08 16:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @psquid: Third stop on my sightseeing tour of the #lo #minecraft server: Some big, bad bones. http://imgur.com/Cjym3Mar 08 16:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @psquid: Fourth stop on my sightseeing tour of the #lo #minecraft server: a sky-ship dock! http://i.imgur.com/ErIbD.pngMar 08 16:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !barca win !footballMar 08 16:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] RT @rms US Uncut Protests http://ur1.ca/3fcrcMar 08 16:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] wouldn't be a successful govt bailout if it didn't allow for obscene bonuses to be paid for failing http://tighturl.com/2zq1 #bankersMar 08 16:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] WOW!!! ♺ @psquid: Fifth stop on my sightseeing tour of the !lo !minecraft server: sunrise, and a skull. http://imgur.com/GWOB1Mar 08 16:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Wenger accepts ref's decisions, fair game....what? He's complaining again? Can't be. Complaining is just not like himMar 08 16:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ex-Daily Star reporter now being harassed http://tighturl.com/2zq2 source suspected to be his former employersMar 08 17:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] so we can assume the usual abuse of powers by the papers with lots of front page exposes destroying his careerMar 08 17:01
MinceRgnMar 08 17:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Better than the damn hotdog: http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/sheepyshenannigans.pngMar 08 17:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] will the #Met do a better job of investigating phone hacking this time? wouldn't hold my breathMar 08 17:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Economic Cyberwar: The New Security Mandate - http://bit.ly/fdCGDt deeply flawed piece confusing "IP" & #innovation (v @jjn1) #chinaMar 08 17:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Observations: Short on sleep, brain optimistically favors long odds (SciAmerican): http://bit.ly/fTV3vCMar 08 17:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Oh god.... @th3k4ty is digging for lava..... OoMar 08 17:08
DaemonFCevery once in a while I notice something in GNOME and think that the developer that did this should be shotMar 08 17:10
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DaemonFCthat stupid file sharing thing that takes up a good inch of screen real estate in Nautilus that you can't turn off :)Mar 08 17:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] WebOS game manager for #N900 #Maemo http://is.gd/ol7msaMar 08 17:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Such a cute sheep. I really like it! :D http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1744Mar 08 17:11
oiaohmDaemonFC: Reason why I like KDE they normally are too many options.   Where  Gnome is normally too frewMar 08 17:12
DaemonFCit's nice until they miss the ONE I wantedMar 08 17:12
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 17:12
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DaemonFCyeah, I agree :)Mar 08 17:12
oiaohmExactly the issueMar 08 17:13
DaemonFCI'll stop using Kubuntu period if Canonical decides it needs to write its own proprietary KDE add onsMar 08 17:13
DaemonFCso far they left it aloneMar 08 17:13
DaemonFCin GNOME they broke Bluetooth sharing to enable that stupid Ubuntu One shitMar 08 17:13
oiaohmCanonical decided to simplerfy KDEMar 08 17:13
oiaohmThey did not get the idea of KDE at all.Mar 08 17:13
oiaohmIe KDE goal is always to be too many options.Mar 08 17:13
DaemonFCKDE is pretty vanilla in KubuntuMar 08 17:14
DaemonFCCanonical hasn't tried to dive in and botch it Mar 08 17:14
DaemonFCyetMar 08 17:14
DaemonFCas long as they only do stupid things to GNOME, fineMar 08 17:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh unlike Ubuntu's which have a touch of humours wordplay, that helps a lot to memorize.Mar 08 17:15
DaemonFCbrbMar 08 17:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @fabsh Obstinate Orangutan FTW \o/Mar 08 17:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[demuxer/@demuxer] this !cablegate http://rod.gs/gve (originated by 2009) is officially confirmed TODAY http://rod.gs/Zqg !wikileaks !GuatemalaMar 08 17:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh heh, me... I'm a number person. It's easier for me to memorize Ubuntu 11.4 than Natty nwhat? Same for Fedora :)Mar 08 17:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh @ruiseabra Felicia was the worst everMar 08 17:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Senators tell Biden to push Russia into antipiracy - http://cnet.co/h6V46y let's hope #Russia tells Biden where to push *that* idea...Mar 08 17:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Wishes people would just have more fun and enjoy the @beefymiracle . No one has fun in !fedora any more.Mar 08 17:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Imaginary Foundation just released a collaborative tshirt for Larry @Lessig's REMIX. Check it out! http://bit.ly/f8tWnUMar 08 17:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] damn, the new #MortalKombat does look kinda tasty http://tighturl.com/2zq6Mar 08 17:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: Chromify-OSD adds GMail support http://goo.gl/FJNqb !chromiumMar 08 17:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] sloppy #Slashdot linkbait again involving #Android http://tighturl.com/2zq7Mar 08 17:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] The xf86-video-chrome Driver Is Now "Stable": The xf86-video-chrome driver, which is the open-source VIA Linux X... http://bit.ly/eAScenMar 08 17:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh @quaid Well maybe new community members. Though not me. I don't even know the codenames. It's just F14 to me,Mar 08 17:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #FTC starts looking at the #Patent #Troll problem http://tighturl.com/2zq8Mar 08 17:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] new report debunking the entire foundation of US foreign IP policy http://tighturl.com/2zq9 #awesomeMar 08 17:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh I'm not familiar enough with RPMs yet to start on alphas. I might go for the beta, but enjoying the change form Ubuntu to Debian nowMar 08 17:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @thistleweb: @nybill whatever the project is, ya have to use a #Discworld naming scheme, ya just gots ta, it's ripe for the pluckin'Mar 08 17:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Robert Ancell: And now for some good news: GTK3, GNOME Shell/Unity, GObject Introspection, Vala http://goo.gl/DdwLEMar 08 18:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Catching up with email. Feeling bad that I've neglected stuff from @bkuhn and !BUSC so long... :/Mar 08 18:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] KB days – second edition. March towards Firefox 4 http://bit.ly/hedSI3Mar 08 18:05
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DaemonFCoiaohm: I don't recall that Phoronix guy saying whether he had vsync on or offMar 08 18:07
DaemonFCyou should use driconf to force it off globally as it is a huge bottleneck for the readon driversMar 08 18:07
DaemonFCKWin compositing will go from choppy to smooth as silk by flipping vsync offMar 08 18:08
DaemonFCthe whole point of vsync is to match the vertical refresh rate, not make the framerate slowerMar 08 18:09
DaemonFCthis is one part where the driver needs a lot of workMar 08 18:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Discworld seems like just hollow fiction on the surface, but there's themes and layers in each novel that go much deeperMar 08 18:10
oiaohmDaemonFC: really a evil evil cheat is missing.Mar 08 18:11
oiaohmDaemonFC: Nvidia drivers contain a nice little cheat where the render fully the frames required for a vsyncMar 08 18:12
oiaohmDaemonFC:  but not the frames not required.Mar 08 18:12
oiaohmIe DaemonFC frames not require for a vsync are only part rendered.Mar 08 18:13
DaemonFConly enough for the driver to decide whether it needs it or notMar 08 18:13
DaemonFCFGLRX does the same thing latelyMar 08 18:13
DaemonFCever since they introduced their new 2d acceleration architectureMar 08 18:13
oiaohmOpen source drivers don't have that yet.Mar 08 18:14
DaemonFCit blows the old one out of the water, though it's not DRI 2Mar 08 18:14
oiaohmOf course the first stage is being able to track and cap to vsync.Mar 08 18:14
DaemonFCDRI2 drivers all render 2d stuff faster than ATI Mar 08 18:14
oiaohmAnd NvidiaMar 08 18:14
oiaohmClosed source drivers are not known for there 2d rendering speed.Mar 08 18:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] Red Hat and the GPL http://lwn.net/Articles/432012/rssMar 08 18:15
DaemonFCFGLRX's old 2d acceleration code was so bad that you'd try to avoid doing simple things like a window resizeMar 08 18:15
oiaohmExcept on windows where they are quite decent at 2dMar 08 18:15
DaemonFCat least that's not the case nowMar 08 18:15
DaemonFCI think I noticed at one point that VESA actually resized windows smoother than the old FGLRX 2dMar 08 18:16
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 18:16
oiaohmEven on the 2d sideMar 08 18:16
oiaohmX11 servers have not been designed todo that in the GPU.Mar 08 18:17
oiaohmIe too much shipping between cpu ram and video card ram in 2d modes.Mar 08 18:17
oiaohmBeing worked on of course so 2d under open source drivers is going to get faster yet.Mar 08 18:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @themadhatter I love Otto, the idea of a black ribboner vampire who turns to dust when the flash goes off, working as the press photographerMar 08 18:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] Hi @lostnbronx!Mar 08 18:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@glynmoody: Massive Research Report On 'Piracy' In Emerging Economies Debunks Entire Foundation Of US Foreign IP Policyhttp://bit.ly/gHIStIMar 08 18:21
oiaohmAlso stupidly Intel video card drivers managed to use less cpu time playing back videos than Nvidia.Mar 08 18:21
DaemonFCwhat's the difference between direct and indirect rendering?Mar 08 18:23
DaemonFCis one faster?Mar 08 18:23
oiaohmdirect is normally faster.Mar 08 18:24
DaemonFCKDE prefers direct, but Compiz and mutter both default to indirectMar 08 18:24
oiaohmAlso wine hates indirectMar 08 18:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @popey: Yay! http://twitpic.com/47lnli #census #noreligionMar 08 18:25
oiaohmIssue with indirect is some middle man is playing with the data you are sending to video card.Mar 08 18:25
DaemonFCis this why Wine acts up more under Compiz than KWin?Mar 08 18:25
oiaohmWine will mess up under both.Mar 08 18:25
oiaohmkwin is fine if you have dri2 drivers with wine.Mar 08 18:25
oiaohmDri1 issue wine digs out over and over again.  Ie the 1 applicaiton using opengl only rule of dri1. Mar 08 18:26
DaemonFCyeah, I noticed FGLRX is faster than free ati drivers in Wine, but it often leads to texture corruptions that don't happen with the free driverMar 08 18:26
DaemonFCso some games end up unplayable anywayMar 08 18:27
DaemonFCwith Wine as a deciding factor, don't even try to pick driversMar 08 18:27
oiaohmFGLRX is fine normally without compiz and with kwin with its compositing features turned off.Mar 08 18:27
DaemonFCboth fail in different ways on different thingsMar 08 18:27
oiaohmWith wine.Mar 08 18:27
oiaohmWine camp sooner DRI2 drivers are here the better.Mar 08 18:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to bed. Long work day tomorrow.... OoMar 08 18:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @bruce89: It's funny how people cling to GNOME 2.x's UI as if it's the best thing since sliced toast. 2002 is history nowMar 08 18:28
oiaohmDaemonFC: Nvidia has a stack of hacks that try to magically hide the dri1 issue.Mar 08 18:29
DaemonFCI'm going to end up building my own kernel on Natty :PMar 08 18:29
DaemonFCwhy are they still using 2.6.38-rc6?Mar 08 18:29
oiaohmDaemonFC: Problem is wine is insanely good at finding any flaw.Mar 08 18:29
DaemonFCyes, Nvidia is unnaturally fast for a "DRI 1" driverMar 08 18:30
oiaohmindirect rendering is infact an attempt to hack around the dri1 limitation.Mar 08 18:30
DaemonFCbut that is because of hacksMar 08 18:30
oiaohmAnd those hacks are not without prices.Mar 08 18:30
oiaohmDaemonFC: really thinking the open source drivers are not frame cheating the ATI ones are runing quite well.Mar 08 18:32
DaemonFCwell, if the choice is be a little slower or piss off every application into exposing bugs.....Mar 08 18:34
DaemonFCI guess I'd be happy with slower, to a pointMar 08 18:34
oiaohmWhat I am looking at is when frame cheating gets implemented.Mar 08 18:35
oiaohmThe frame rate should be able to come up prity close to where the ATI is now.Mar 08 18:35
DaemonFCI'd rather just disable vsync and not worry about my card getting sent crap that it doesn't need to renderMar 08 18:35
oiaohmwith the closed sourceMar 08 18:35
DaemonFCnothing like clogging the pipeline for no reasonMar 08 18:36
oiaohmReally enable vsync can have frame dropping.Mar 08 18:36
oiaohmIe lack of frame dropping feature is why vsync hurts.Mar 08 18:36
oiaohmBut its one of those annoying order things.Mar 08 18:36
oiaohmYou cannot implement a frame dropping feature without vsync working.  DaemonFCMar 08 18:37
oiaohmPlaces in the 3d driver development at times is take 2 step backward to be able to take 8 steps forwards latter.Mar 08 18:37
DaemonFCMesa 7.11-devel is not performing better than 7.10 so far, but it has a few more featuresMar 08 18:41
DaemonFCso applications that wouldn't work could suddenly start workingMar 08 18:41
DaemonFCdo you figure the Mesa from Xorg-edgers would accept that S3 texture library?Mar 08 18:42
DaemonFCDebian Multimedia has that particular library in a deb packageMar 08 18:42
oiaohmFrom memory S3 texture issue patents expire in 4 to 5 years.Mar 08 18:43
DaemonFCwould be nice to haveMar 08 18:44
DaemonFCI don't care if I violate their patentMar 08 18:44
DaemonFCtheir patent is ridiculousMar 08 18:44
oiaohmYep patent 1997Mar 08 18:45
DaemonFCoiaohm: How does linux-next work?Mar 08 18:45
DaemonFCit's a patch against 2.6.38-rc8 right nowMar 08 18:46
DaemonFCthat's the bleeding edge tree, right?Mar 08 18:46
DaemonFCis it normally usable?Mar 08 18:46
oiaohmSo it expires end of 2017 DaemonFCMar 08 18:46
oiaohmSo there is a good chance with a little taking the patent holder might give it up.Mar 08 18:47
oiaohmAnd intergrating it into tree now is not bad thing thinking in 6 years that is a short time by Linux standards they will be able to.Mar 08 18:47
oiaohmlinux-next is a test bed tree.  DaemonFCMar 08 18:47
DaemonFCis there a way to just use drm-next?Mar 08 18:48
oiaohmEach subsystem maintainer has there own tree.Mar 08 18:48
DaemonFCall I'm interested in is the latest DRM codeMar 08 18:48
oiaohmto make sure all the subsystem maintainer tree are in workable sync.Mar 08 18:48
oiaohmlinux-next exists.Mar 08 18:48
oiaohmIe Linux-next is not based on the past stable kernel directly.Mar 08 18:48
DaemonFCif I click on Snapshot of drm-next, it offers me a tarballMar 08 18:49
DaemonFCwhat is that? an entire kernel? based on what?Mar 08 18:49
DaemonFCit would be cool to stay on the edge with the latest kernel DRM code Mar 08 18:49
oiaohmDaemonFC: subsystem maintainers tree.Mar 08 18:49
DaemonFCa lot of neat stuff happens thereMar 08 18:50
oiaohmReally want to know to use git.Mar 08 18:50
oiaohmNot pull snap shots from a subsystem maintainers tree.Mar 08 18:50
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DaemonFCthe kernel moves too slow for me with this kind of stuffMar 08 18:50
DaemonFCit's like nothing happens for months, then BAM, a bunch of new features all in one hitMar 08 18:50
oiaohmgit supports tree merging.  DaemonFCMar 08 18:50
DaemonFCthen wait 3 more monthsMar 08 18:51
oiaohmThat is what linux next is.Mar 08 18:51
oiaohmbut if you don't want to run everything insane.Mar 08 18:51
oiaohmYou can tree merge like the drm-next tree back into current release stable.Mar 08 18:51
DaemonFCI should just pull the drm-next treeMar 08 18:51
DaemonFCright?Mar 08 18:51
oiaohmReally get to know git little deeper before doing anything.Mar 08 18:51
DaemonFCthat's why I was not going to dive right in with linux-next, it would introduce bugs in things I don't care about that muchMar 08 18:52
oiaohmBecause you most likely want drm-next tree mixed with the stable tree.Mar 08 18:52
oiaohmlinux-next has every leading edge tree.Mar 08 18:52
oiaohmFor every driverMar 08 18:52
oiaohmEven items that linus rejects because they fail testing.  DaemonFCMar 08 18:52
DaemonFCwhich means bugs, data loss, kernel refusing to bootMar 08 18:53
DaemonFCknowing my luckMar 08 18:53
oiaohmYepMar 08 18:53
DaemonFCI'd just like the latest kernel + all the latest DRM codeMar 08 18:53
oiaohmlinux-next tree good for subsystem maintainers to keep in sync.Mar 08 18:53
oiaohmAnyone else using it is nuts.Mar 08 18:53
DaemonFCmy video card is really the only thing I have that Linux could support a lot betterMar 08 18:53
oiaohmDaemonFC: You notice the term git pull a lotMar 08 18:54
oiaohmThat is a git feature.Mar 08 18:54
oiaohmAllows you to pull a tree like drm-next over the current tree you have.Mar 08 18:54
oiaohmSo making a new  kernel with all the feature of the stable and all the features added in drm-next.Mar 08 18:55
oiaohmBasically once you know git you will be able todo what you want fairly good.  DaemonFCMar 08 18:55
oiaohmOf course you would check linux-next before doing a major pull incase the drm maintainer did something stupid and it will not merge at the moment.Mar 08 18:56
oiaohmDaemonFC: git is a great tool for the flex it gives you.  But of course flex comes with risk.  Closer to the bleeding edge higher risk of bugs.Mar 08 18:57
DaemonFCI used to use the predecessor of nextMar 08 18:59
DaemonFCsame thing reallyMar 08 18:59
DaemonFCthe nvidia binary driver usually supports those tooMar 08 18:59
DaemonFCI remember I had to edit the source of the glue layer and comment a bunch of stuff out to get it to build onceMar 08 19:00
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 19:00
DaemonFCwas just a shot in the dark, but it workedMar 08 19:00
oiaohmNo next is more scary than the old devel branch.Mar 08 19:00
DaemonFCwhat I can't stand is that Ubuntu isn't actually using  upstream AppArmorMar 08 19:01
oiaohmBecause they had to enchance it.Mar 08 19:01
DaemonFCif you don't apply their patches, not only does AppArmor not work, it displays very verbose complaints as well :)Mar 08 19:01
oiaohmAnd upstream rejected there alterations.Mar 08 19:01
oiaohmUbuntu don't play well with others.Mar 08 19:01
DaemonFCthey fought to get it upstreamed and then won't use the upstream versionMar 08 19:02
DaemonFCthat's maddeningly unhelpfulMar 08 19:02
oiaohmUpstream rejected there last lot of patchesMar 08 19:02
oiaohmOn the grounds it broke backwards compadiblity.Mar 08 19:02
DaemonFCso instead they put them in Ubuntu anywayMar 08 19:02
DaemonFCand essentially have a forkMar 08 19:02
DaemonFC:)Mar 08 19:03
oiaohmUbuntu does this over and over again.Mar 08 19:03
oiaohmAnd they don't seam to be learning.Mar 08 19:03
oiaohmUpstream is more often than not right.Mar 08 19:03
DaemonFCthey will when they have to maintain it all as upstream gets further and further awayMar 08 19:03
DaemonFCand eventually they are left eating dustMar 08 19:03
oiaohmOr they die under the workload.Mar 08 19:04