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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @meegocom: Looking for a MeeGo job? Looking for a MeeGo developer? We now have a MeeGo Job Board! http://bit.ly/hpAabw | Mar 08 00:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @Develop4AppUp Going to South by Southwest? We're sponsoring an award at IndiePub's first indie propeller a... http://bit.ly/g4BNCS #sxsw | Mar 08 00:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @popey: ..and people complain about #Ubuntu codenames.. #Fedora mulling "Beefy Miracle" for F16? http://popey.me/dOEvWj | Mar 08 00:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Cambridge is the natural home for The Centre for #Computing #History - http://bit.ly/gCViVe interesting project | Mar 08 00:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @quaid Smart, insightful analysis (as usual) from Jonathan Corbet: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/431854/f79966f0fc48d91d/ | Mar 08 00:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Die wunderbare #Fail Wlet von #Netzsperren - O2 UK zeigt uns wie suppi die #BraveNewWorld sein kann - http://ur1.ca/3f847 | Mar 08 00:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] News update from The Real World: The hotdog thing isn't funny and makes us look unprofessional. !FedoraDesign | Mar 08 00:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Brazilian Beef: Greater Impact on the #Environment Than We Realize - http://bit.ly/e6Dtq1 stop chomping | Mar 08 00:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Media #Piracy in Emerging Economies - http://bit.ly/fLU94e "piracy better conceived as failure of affordable access in legal markets" | Mar 08 00:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Adobe Releases #Flash-to-#HTML5 Converter, Codenamed Wallaby - http://on.mash.to/i8Q8J8 great, but doesn't it undermine Flash? | Mar 08 00:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Free software is what we humans are talking more about - http://bit.ly/fRl93Q departing #FSF director looks back #freesw | Mar 08 00:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Good morning !identiverse :) And a cold, grey, windy, prolly rain, day it is too :( | Mar 08 00:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 3D Printed Adult's Bicycle - http://bit.ly/eHoEI4 it's the future #3dprinters | Mar 08 00:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Al Jazeera Launches #Twitter Dashboard To Track Uprisings in Egypt, Yemen, Libya & Bahrain - http://bit.ly/fdEOmp v cool #aje | Mar 08 00:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fabsh Not all are broken. I informed the author and posted a comment. | Mar 08 00:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Just to be clear: I don't give a fuck what Charlie Sheen does or doesn't do. The guy has been boring since the 90s... #yawn | Mar 08 00:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] They should get Honeydew on that show, he's a lot more funny... #Yogscast | Mar 08 00:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Prediction: Soon #Twitter will add "commercial" tweets to the API. Only clients that pay twitter will be able to get a timeline without ads. | Mar 08 00:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Spotify Reaches 1 Million Paid Subscribers - http://bit.ly/hqj90m getting there...but fast enough? | Mar 08 00:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Fear Mongering and Delusional #Piracy Report Upsets Aussies - http://bit.ly/gtI5KE more fantasy numbers from copyright companies #au | Mar 08 00:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Vote "beefy miracle" as fedora 16 codename! https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_16 #fb | Mar 08 00:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Virgin Media UK Begins Throttling #P2P Traffic - http://bit.ly/e6SGSF who needs #netneutrality? | Mar 08 00:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @glynmoody Fear Mongering & Delusional Piracy Report Upsets Aussies http://bit.ly/gtI5KE more fantasy numbers from copyright companies #au | Mar 08 00:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] [correct link] Al Jazeera Launches #Twitter Dashboard To Track Uprisings in Egypt, Yemen, Libya etc - http://on.mash.to/hWappi cool #aje | Mar 08 00:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] ☆ FSF Leadership Change: I got a call on Friday evening from Peter Brown, the Executive Director of the Free Sof... http://wmk.me/gJxnxA | Mar 08 00:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 99 Cent Books - http://bit.ly/dLHl8X "before the marginal price drops to zero, but that is another story" #abundance #ebooks | Mar 08 00:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @glynmoody Adobe Releases Flash-to-HTML5 Converter, Codenamed Wallaby http://on.mash.to/i8Q8J8 great, but doesn't it undermine Flash? #fb | Mar 08 00:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @ntouk just a reminder to give your guidance to the UK Government Open Standards Survey - http://svy.mk/gAVI21 #openstandards | Mar 08 00:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Yay! ♻ @glynmoody 3D Printed Adult's Bicycle - http://bit.ly/eHoEI4 it's the future #3dprinters #fb | Mar 08 00:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Wow. For the best payed actor on TV, Sheen has pretty ugly home. Don't spend all your money on blow, kids... | Mar 08 00:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @ikrshnan !Facebook will end on march 15th http://goo.gl/Clju4 !facebookfree !google !yahoo | Mar 08 00:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Will E-Book Prices & Restrictions Lead to E-Book Piracy? - http://rww.to/h6MUC5 what do you mean *will*?# | Mar 08 00:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Egypt faces new turmoil: Looted state security files | McClatchy http://is.gd/r0lMlM http://bit.ly/e1COdD | Mar 08 00:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: 100 days of Cablegate: http://www.thenation.com/slideshow/159019/slide-show-100-days-wikileakss-cablegate http://bit.ly/ebuZ6h | Mar 08 00:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Martin Albisetti: !Ubuntu, #Natty and !Unity http://goo.gl/XoGEd | Mar 08 01:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Aaron Toponce: Strong Passwords NEED Entropy http://goo.gl/dTO5m | Mar 08 01:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Prakash Advani: Samsung Galaxy S replaced by SL http://goo.gl/r9ozH !android | Mar 08 01:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Prakash Advani: Samsung Galaxy S II coming http://goo.gl/G7mBz !android | Mar 08 01:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] BTW - here the inofficial commercial for O2 UK's new filtering system - Cleanternet ;-) http://ur1.ca/x4cj </sarcasm> | Mar 08 01:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Old Armenian Doors - http://bit.ly/hEl6jF some fine #pix (v @ianyanmag) #armenia #doors | Mar 08 01:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @ioerror: So Zuckerberg's puppy can have its own Facebook page but Chinese dissidents using pseudonyms are out of luck? | Mar 08 01:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Charlie Sheen is not filial - http://bit.ly/gBIPb0 an analysis you've not seen before; fascinating cultural relativism (v @ulyssestone) | Mar 08 01:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[danebod/@danebod] Und heute um 20 Uhr zur IGGG #Drensteinfurt gegen !Fracking http://bit.ly/e8rZG2 !umwelt !klima !ppd !piratennrw !nrw | Mar 08 01:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Joran van der Sloot may only get 20 months for murdering a white chick using BS defense http://ur1.ca/3f8mj | Mar 08 01:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Parents bitch that students got punished for accusing a teacher for being a pedophile, imo students should face jail http://ur1.ca/3f8mo | Mar 08 01:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] If you want your vote to count in New Jersey, don't use electronic voting machines http://ur1.ca/3f8np | Mar 08 01:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Republicans actually are trying to kill old people http://ur1.ca/3ez0g Warning: HuffPo | Mar 08 01:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] @fabsh Its use in hacker circles is far older than Canonical and possibly Apple. | Mar 08 01:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @clacke I know. That's not the usage I object too... | Mar 08 01:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @flattrchattr: Our first Partner Highlight: aFlattr. Affiliated !Flattr http://ur1.ca/3f8qo get money while spending! \o/ | Mar 08 01:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] setting up !Debian on my Neo FreeRunner. planning to make a wireless soundcard (yay for pulseaudio & vlc!) and possibly more of it. :) | Mar 08 01:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] The only possible criticism I have for Mint is that they don't actively upstream their stuff. Other than that, it's a totally awesome. | Mar 08 01:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] OK.... Time for some eggs and coffee! | Mar 08 01:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] News, news, news! From !shr project http://blog.shr-project.org/2011/03/news-news-news.html | Mar 08 02:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Oh yeah.... Scrambled eggs with Jim Beam Spicy Bourbon sauce for breakfast is awesome stuff! | Mar 08 02:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: Smooth Inset: The First Real Theme For The New !Gnome Shell http://goo.gl/yqGBV | Mar 08 02:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @sixgun: Video release: Minecraft Adventures 2 - Surviving the First Night > http://outl.ws/eM6dTu #minecraft #linuxoutlaws | Mar 08 02:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL. ;) | Mar 08 02:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Imperial College in showdown with closed-access journals - http://bit.ly/gQLQYK kudos to Deborah Shorley: painful but necessary move #oa | Mar 08 02:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Microsoft marketing #IE at #Drupalcon #Drupal http://tighturl.com/2zoo | Mar 08 02:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Damn, people trying to legalize murdering abortion doctors et all... :( ♺ @rms: The Pro-Murder Group http://ur1.ca/3f92k | Mar 08 02:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Firefox 4: Get Tabs In The Title Bar (Like Chrome) http://bit.ly/hhUL15 | Mar 08 02:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Smooth Inset: The First Real Theme For The New Gnome Shell http://bit.ly/fAO72K | Mar 08 02:38 | |
| MinceR | http://dilbert.com/1995-03-25/ | Mar 08 02:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Timetable: ACTA from EC to European Parliament - http://bit.ly/hUrlCO need to start working on those MEPs #acta (v @jmcesteves) | Mar 08 02:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Heisse: IPFire open source firewall updates PHP http://ping.fm/g919n | Mar 08 02:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @nearyd Canonical-created initiatives have great names: "Unity", "Harmony"... unfortunately they seem to indicate the opposite of wha ... | Mar 08 02:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @stemp RD @CyanogenMod CyanogenMod-7.0.0-RC2 is here! http://dlvr.it/JZ3RP !android | Mar 08 02:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Yes!!! I think I have fixed mapping on http://alain.sixgun.org/map -- thanks to @windigo for the tip that solved it! :D | Mar 08 02:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @sixgun: The Minecraft server is back up and mapping is completely fixed now. !lo | Mar 08 03:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Hacked on a kipi plugin all night, made some nice progress. | Mar 08 03:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the blocks from me. #serenity #minecraft #firefly http://ur1.ca/3f99n | Mar 08 03:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[swadeshine/@swadeshine] It's a sad state of affairs when exposing war crimes has more dire consequences than committing them. #Manning #Obama !WikiLeaks | Mar 08 03:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @yamatt: Nuclear Chicken Memorial? http://is.gd/0qU7vC | Mar 08 03:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @osamak: RT @swadeshine It's a sad state of affairs when exposing war crimes has more dire consequences than committing them. #Manning | Mar 08 03:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Draft agreement on creation of European and Community Patent Court is not compatible with European Union law http://is.gd/gwYrE5 #swpat | Mar 08 03:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Acc to #comcast btw 10/10 and 01/11: Windows phones -1.7, BB -5.4, Android +7.7, Apple +.1, Palm -.7 - http://ur1.ca/3f9em | Mar 08 03:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Note however that Comcast numbers are US only. Where 2 find similar stats for EU? | Mar 08 03:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Lasting Digital Archives: "The Millenniata writer actually laser etches physical pits into the writable layer" http://goo.gl/t8J3n | Mar 08 03:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Wrangl - http://bit.ly/hkJrHj "helps you visualise debates in an easy to read and navigate style." nice idea (v @Glinner) | Mar 08 03:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Oh god. @vk7hse loves portals, doesn't he.... :D | Mar 08 03:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Cablegate resources http://alturl.com/tqcak !wl | Mar 08 03:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Totally digging the !LO SkyNet. #Minecraft | Mar 08 03:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: 100 revelations to mark 100 days of Cablegate: http://alturl.com/rwp8v !wl | Mar 08 03:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @giuseppe: !gnu !icecat 3.6.15 released https://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=6743 | Mar 08 03:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @gandroids: Breaking News : LG Wants to Develop their Own Mobile Processors to Get a Leg Up in Smartphone Race http://tiny.ly/bhKa | Mar 08 03:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Darkness at Noon for Bradley Manning & Julian Assange http://alturl.com/7ngvx !wl | Mar 08 03:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Urethras created using patients' cells http://ping.fm/JYkML | Mar 08 03:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Mubarak's sons got more than US$187m from Israeli gas deal, says paper http://alturl.com/h5qxa !wl | Mar 08 03:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Register: BBC accused of coming out for porn opt-in? http://ping.fm/jhDDz | Mar 08 03:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @escapetofreedom: Google Android Captures #1 Position in Smartphone Market (US, January 2011) http://bit.ly/fYys4u | Mar 08 03:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @WebUpd8: Wine 1.3.15 Released http://bit.ly/erNI6v #linux | Mar 08 03:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] LinuxInsider • by Katherine Noyes: Is the iPad an iFad? http://ping.fm/eoyHO | Mar 08 03:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] EFF Sends Letter to Sony in Defense of Hackers by @fabsh http://ping.fm/RHmzt | Mar 08 03:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: US ambassadors consider Mercosur “anti-American” http://is.gd/QTKiAk !wl | Mar 08 03:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Former CIA Inspector General to speak on WikiLeaks, Wednesday in Sarasota http://is.gd/xQ5Kqf !wl | Mar 08 03:56 | |
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| gnufreex | It seems that Qt licensing sale might be an atempt to end run around Free Qt Foundation agreement | Mar 08 04:00 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Give !Linux security clearance, US told UK - Public Sector IT Projects http://ping.fm/pFfjM | Mar 08 04:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm a bit embarrassed we had to be told :( | Mar 08 04:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] since today we can call it Digia's #Qt framework? | Mar 08 04:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] 3TB Hard Drives Coming, but You?ll need a new Computer - meyers's blog http://ping.fm/4mLfS | Mar 08 04:11 | |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: Really Free QT Foundation agreement is the only thing stopping KDE from going there own path. | Mar 08 04:13 |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: Breaching it really would not be a good thing. | Mar 08 04:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Themobilemasti: Japanese scientists develop phone that feels like human skin http://ping.fm/YdR09 | Mar 08 04:13 | |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: In case of breach QT foundation would also get the right to sell commerical version. | Mar 08 04:13 |
| gnufreex | That needs to go through court since Elop will drag his feet | Mar 08 04:14 |
| gnufreex | Smartest thing to do is fork right now | Mar 08 04:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The Slur “Open Core”: Toward More Diligent Analysis - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) http://ping.fm/WViP6 | Mar 08 04:15 | |
| gnufreex | And tell Nokia to go jump | Mar 08 04:15 |
| oiaohm | No it don't | Mar 08 04:15 |
| gnufreex | Digia should go jump too | Mar 08 04:15 |
| oiaohm | Qt foundation has the right to sell commerical now. | Mar 08 04:15 |
| gnufreex | When I mean fork I mean also invoke agreement | Mar 08 04:15 |
| oiaohm | Only thing is basically operating agreement. | Mar 08 04:16 |
| oiaohm | On unified coding on QT | Mar 08 04:16 |
| oiaohm | Breach of that complete game changes very quicky. gnufreex | Mar 08 04:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Can't remember if I already posted @bkuhn's article but it'll bear repeating anyway :) | Mar 08 04:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Hypervisor supports Atom, 64-bit guest OSes - sheenasuben's blog http://ping.fm/0oYPt | Mar 08 04:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @sandersch Got my HTC Incredible S :-D it's bigger then my HTC Magic and very slightly smaller then the HTC HD (workphone). !Android | Mar 08 04:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[slated/@slated] http://slated.org/copygate_exposes_ugly_ubuntu | Mar 08 04:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] RT @nicubunu Blog: Breaking News: Fedora 15 *Beta* leaked! Now with desktop icons!: The Alpha release of Fedora 15 is expecte... http:// ... | Mar 08 04:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[slated/@slated] http://slated.org/copygate_exposes_ugly_ubuntu #Ubuntu #Copygate #Bansheegate #Peanutgate #Banshee #Gnome | Mar 08 04:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Debian Squeeze. Installing Dropbox > install libnautilus-extension-dev & python-docutils then ./configure > make > make install | Mar 08 04:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I mention this cos Dropbox's Deb file seems to be prepared for !Ubuntu and won't work in !Debian Squeeze, or wouldn't for me at any rate | Mar 08 04:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] What do alpine steinbock and arctic crustaceans have in common? Climate Change - http://bit.ly/gNkc6F and so it goes on | Mar 08 05:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Coming soon: Pirated movies in 3D - http://bit.ly/gCEhRu an arms race industry will never win #piracy #3d | Mar 08 05:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] When is a PC not PC? When it's a unified European one - http://bit.ly/fNtXnJ another #swpats by the backdoor attempt blocked (v @glynwintle) | Mar 08 05:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Governments press #ICANN over new domain rules - http://cnet.co/fJD7Gh things getting heavy (v @rmack) | Mar 08 05:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @luisroca A !Perl sonnet I wrote and posted on !Perl Monks recently in honor of my trip to Nicaragua http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_i ... | Mar 08 05:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Think it's time to tear @barrysookman a new one. | Mar 08 05:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Vryka: EC 446 What to do. http://bit.ly/ggWuOo #weblit #webfic #fantasy #Minis #reading | Mar 08 05:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] explained a colleague I not against paying for games as 'free' (of charge), but believe more in a model reform; micropayment, eval. use, etc | Mar 08 05:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @missoularedhead: New blogpost: would you do what teachers do if you made what they make? http://bit.ly/i6fsfQ | Mar 08 05:38 | |
| amarsh04 | http://smarthouse.com.au/Gaming/Industry/V6D8W3S7 | Mar 08 05:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thetecheye: Virgin starts throttling customers - Beardie miffed by P2P http://bit.ly/hyykLc #internet | Mar 08 05:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @MeaganTrush: New blog post in the spirit of International Women's Day: http://ow.ly/49S7b | Mar 08 05:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] collaboration's demise - http://bit.ly/hmKmsZ "I am fully aware that the content of this blog entry is potentially incendiary"; what fun | Mar 08 05:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Adobe Flash Player 10.3 Linux Beta Released: Adobe's just released their first beta of Flash Player 10.3 for Win... http://bit.ly/i0rLaZ | Mar 08 05:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @fontana @bkuhn !LO episodes are structured somewhat like Roman Catholic masses | Mar 08 05:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @bkuhn @fontana, what I find #disturbing about lawyers controlling policy is attempts to do so in fields where they lack expertise (e ... | Mar 08 05:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @glynmoody: 3D Printed Adult's Bicycle - http://bit.ly/eHoEI4 it's the future #3dprinters - bye bye CCM! | Mar 08 05:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] all that stuff on #alain is 'made by hand'? #OMFG... you seriously need a real job or a hobby! #leisuretime | Mar 08 05:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @nearyd Canonical-created initiatives have great names: "Unity", "Harmony"... unfortunately they seem to indicate the opposite of wha ... | Mar 08 05:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #China’s #green era begins - http://bit.ly/hhCAiq to “construct a resource-conserving and environmentally friendly society”; let's hope... | Mar 08 05:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thetecheye: Western Digital and Hitachi are going to eat Seagate for breakfast http://bit.ly/fn7COg - Cannibals at the Gates! | Mar 08 05:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Android Market: XSS hole allows unauthorised installation of apps http://ping.fm/3ifyX | Mar 08 05:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Break the rules, get the coins: how one man "crashed" a GDC panel - http://bit.ly/hoaZ64 I can't follow this story; luckily, I don't care... | Mar 08 05:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: CPC MP Colin Carrie was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 08 http://bit.ly/gOmt0V | Mar 08 05:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Packetstorm: Anonymous Targets Manning Jailers http://ping.fm/EFcth | Mar 08 05:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: CPC MP Larry Miller was lobbied by University of Saskatchewan on Feb. 07 http://bit.ly/eGR5jR | Mar 08 05:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Wayne Easter was lobbied by University of Saskatchewan on Feb. 07 http://bit.ly/fUNQji | Mar 08 05:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: CPC MP Pierre Lemieux was lobbied by University of Saskatchewan on Feb. 07 http://bit.ly/gpkS4Z | Mar 08 05:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: CPC MP Randy Hoback was lobbied by University of Saskatchewan on Feb. 07 http://bit.ly/dG1jRK | Mar 08 05:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Derek Lee was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 15 http://bit.ly/hmJasq | Mar 08 05:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] OK bad credit there. That last story was actually from Forbes | Mar 08 05:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Kirsty Duncan was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 15 http://bit.ly/idmDf0 | Mar 08 05:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Bonnie Crombie was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 15 http://bit.ly/dH2YFP | Mar 08 05:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Alan Tonks was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 15 http://bit.ly/eZFYkR | Mar 08 05:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] SXSWi: The open agenda | http://bit.ly/fRIjO9 #opensource #collaboration | Mar 08 05:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Judy Sgro was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 15 http://bit.ly/eZZvYC | Mar 08 05:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: CPC MP Mike Wallace was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 08 http://bit.ly/hZflpL | Mar 08 05:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Francis Valeriote was lobbied by University of Saskatchewan on Feb. 07 http://bit.ly/fwR6i3 | Mar 08 05:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: CPC MP Terence Young was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 08 http://bit.ly/dIsO1X | Mar 08 05:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] And this is the story that confused me: Hacker Kills His Own Pwn2Own Bug For Android Phones ≈ Packet Storm http://ping.fm/iOjnw | Mar 08 05:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm not gonna be able to post news properly today. I have my mind on other things. So maybe a day offline is in order | Mar 08 05:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @dduane: RT @The_WhiteWitch: I may be an evil tyrant, but I earn 16% less than Lord Voldemort or Darth Vader. #internationalwomensday | Mar 08 06:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Kernel prepatch 2.6.38-rc8 http://lwn.net/Articles/432000/rss | Mar 08 06:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @ThePMSaidSo: RT @ragouri: My next follower will be #300. Didn't realize there were that many printer cartridge spammers in the world. | Mar 08 06:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Anti-corruption chief on Kenyan kleptocracy http://alturl.com/vrhze !wl | Mar 08 06:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: #China’s #green era begins - http://bit.ly/hhCAiq to “construct a resource-conserving and environmentally friendly society”... | Mar 08 06:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] PLoS ONE, #OpenAccess, and the Future of Scholarly Publishing - http://bit.ly/fFuTt6 important, massive (42 pp) essay from Richard Poynder | Mar 08 06:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: Onions Against Dictators: Torservers.net. Torservers.net gets $10K from Access Now http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49858 | Mar 08 06:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: When is a PC not PC? When it's a unified European one - http://bit.ly/fNtXnJ another #swpats by the backdoor attempt blocked.. | Mar 08 06:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] The political agenda of #Facebook and #Google http://ur1.ca/3fab4 #sex_math_programming A rant off an #npr story | Mar 08 06:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: 4,700,00 Australian file sharing thieves. 'Struth!' http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49859 | Mar 08 06:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] LLVM 2.9 Begins Lining Up For Release: Not only is GCC 4.6 on the way, but the developers at Apple and elsewhere... http://bit.ly/e5t5WS | Mar 08 06:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ebooks: durability is a feature, not a bug - http://bit.ly/gJ3nxh quite: another sign publishers just don't get it #ebooks #publishing | Mar 08 06:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] How the Department of Justice Colluded With Bank Of America To Destroy Wikileaks and Silence Journalists http://is.gd/mdUWxL !wl | Mar 08 06:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @BarrettBrownLOL: FBI should recuse itself from #anonymous investigation until we're done investigating FBI - ROFLMAO | Mar 08 06:26 | |
| speexbTniPA | There is a lot of comment spam in the techrights wiki now. | Mar 08 06:28 |
| speexbTniPA | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&feed=rss | Mar 08 06:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Video of Mark Pesce's LCA keynote available http://lwn.net/Articles/432010/rss | Mar 08 06:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @HDInstitute: Agnes Macphail, Canada's first female MP contributed to the reform of the Canadian penal system. http://ow.ly/49jAd #IWD11 | Mar 08 06:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Take action to support a significant drawdown of troops from Afghanistan by July http://bit.ly/dImug3 | Mar 08 06:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @doctorow: POKE THE BOX: @sethgodin's DO SOMETHING NOW manifesto http://tinyurl.com/5uryate #inspiring | Mar 08 06:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Damn, too many people have been saying interesting things today. Never mind the lobbying. I only retweeted the part that looked IP related. | Mar 08 06:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #WIPO & the future of #copyright - http://bit.ly/f4nMzN "affirms the winds of #change that have been sweeping through that institution" | Mar 08 06:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks editorial: 100 days of Cablegate http://alturl.com/rrdxp !wl | Mar 08 06:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] OHIP - bureaucracy over rules common sense in breast cancer case: http://bit.ly/hZr74K #cancer #ohip #bastards | Mar 08 06:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tuxradar/@tuxradar] Your opinions wanted for our podcast Open Ballot: does free software need a figurehead like RMS? http://tinyurl.com/4wb3onj | Mar 08 06:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'd forgotten how good Gwibber 1.2 was - and it is good (Moving to Debian Squeeze) | Mar 08 06:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] The Middle East feminist revolution | Al Jazeera http://is.gd/dKyh3q !wl | Mar 08 06:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] What the hell went wrong! (with Gwibber 2+) | Mar 08 06:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Mendeley Launches $10,001 API Contest for Open Science Apps - http://rww.to/f1UJ6G nice, but open source would have been nicer | Mar 08 07:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] What do you want to ask 1,200 CS professors? | http://bit.ly/fNVzje #opensource #collaboration #SIGCSE | Mar 08 07:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @graziano: #firefox probably back in !debian 7. Talks in progress: http://ur1.ca/33nny !fsf !icecat !lpit | Mar 08 07:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @mvalente: "Daqui a 1 ano não existirá Guantanamo!" http://goo.gl/kkmCH #obama #palhaço #demagogo #patos | Mar 08 07:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @mvalente: "Adobe releases Flash to HTML5 converter" http://goo.gl/ZyZBu Love being right... http://goo.gl/LlBlD #eatmyshorts #naysayers | Mar 08 07:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] StatCounter: #Android tops #BlackBerry globally for the first time - http://bit.ly/eQGKGx how long before it tops everything? | Mar 08 07:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] just got a robo-marketing call from a withheld number which reserved my line even after hanging up several times, I'm with the #TPS too | Mar 08 07:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Belgien diskutiert Netzsperren und 3-Strikes - http://bit.ly/fe8KQI bad #Belgium #3strikes #hadopi | Mar 08 07:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Fedora 15 Alpha is out. Help test and break it! http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease #fb | Mar 08 07:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Feds finally extend security baseline to Red Hat (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/humdAS | Mar 08 07:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] GAH ! youtube now making it compulsory to link to a google account. I was holding out for quite a while there :| | Mar 08 07:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Adobe releases Flash to HTML converter(InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/fBcaaK | Mar 08 07:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ars technica: Future of Qt brighter after Digia buys licensing biz from Nokia http://goo.gl/nf5K0 | Mar 08 07:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Potential Open Source License Violations In #Android and #iOS Apps? - http://bit.ly/fvPvMI highly likely, I would have thought #licensing | Mar 08 07:13 | |
| MinceR | http://www.reddit.com/tb/fzkvf | Mar 08 07:19 |
| MinceR | :facepalm: | Mar 08 07:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] VMware releases vCenter configuration management software (Network World): http://bit.ly/e9p1sl | Mar 08 07:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] !OpenMoko !Freerunner: probably the only "obsolete" phone that keeps getting better. New kconfig == 5% to 10% faster http://is.gd/1XE53m | Mar 08 07:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] they offered #Marks&Spencer gift vouchers for entry, so there's another connection for the police to investigate to find their identiy | Mar 08 07:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Wikileaks exposes illegal logging in Peru http://is.gd/jHNhnc !wl | Mar 08 07:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Thomas: That's it, we're quitting http://lwn.net/Articles/432017/rss | Mar 08 07:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Why Pwn2Own doesn't target !Linux By Sean Michael Kerner http://is.gd/H4eTZA | Mar 08 07:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Last Call: Ontology for Media Resources 1.0 http://ow.ly/1bFxSo | Mar 08 07:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻@telecomix Behold the rise of #INTERCOM: Emergency Communication Division - http://intercom.gs #emcom #telecomix #libya #whitefax #hamradio | Mar 08 07:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @ruiseabra !OpenMoko !Freerunner: probably the only "obsolete" phone that keeps getting better. New kconfig == 5% to 10% faster http: ... | Mar 08 07:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Alpha version of !Fedora 15 released - The H Open Source: News and Features http://ping.fm/iWZgo | Mar 08 07:38 | |
| GoForbes28 | MinceR: So how exactly are the programs going to terminate completely? Or are they not? | Mar 08 07:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Wikileaks Editorial - 100 Days of Cablegate - http://bit.ly/i681X3 no word of a faster release cycle... (V @WLLegal) | Mar 08 07:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Back to using the Beagle as a laptop desk. He's feeling needy today, and just has to be on my lap. | Mar 08 07:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Fedora Alpha is getting plenty of coverage. Internet news » http://goo.gl/e0Qua | Mar 08 07:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Chevenga: Philosopher in Arms 448 tser : The ghost of Mana visits me. http://bit.ly/dEBzBi #amwriting #Chevenga #weblit | Mar 08 07:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Emma_A: RT @MsInformation: Every day should be #InternationalWomensDay. Rock on, ladies! #Anonymiss | Mar 08 07:45 | |
| GoForbes28 | MinceR: That entire article was, wow... | Mar 08 07:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I seriously considered Fedora, but I want a system I can stay with for a while now cos life's getting busier and that means Debian | Mar 08 07:46 | |
| MinceR | GoForbes28: they don't care, they're crApple cultists | Mar 08 07:47 |
| MinceR | they have crApple "thinking" | Mar 08 07:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Fedora 15 Lovelock Alpha Arrives: Dennis Gilmore has announced the official release of Fedora 15 Alpha. This nex... http://bit.ly/ghyxRc | Mar 08 07:48 | |
| MinceR | and their working assumption is that _every_ user is a complete idiot who refuses to learn anything about computers | Mar 08 07:48 |
| speexbTniPA | FWIW 2001 marks the 20th anniversary of PGP | Mar 08 07:52 |
| speexbTniPA | I notice everything is much more centralized and censorized since then, the days of Usenet. | Mar 08 07:52 |
| speexbTniPA | 2001 -> 2011 | Mar 08 07:52 |
| MinceR | it seems so | Mar 08 07:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Which spelling libs do I need for !Gwibber 1.2 in !Debian !Squeeze? | Mar 08 07:58 | |
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| GoForbes28 | http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5675/125/ | Mar 08 07:59 |
| GoForbes28 | "The factor common to successful low-cost models, our work suggests, is neither strong enforcement against pirates nor the creative use of digital distribution, but rather the presence of firms that actively compete on price and services for local customers. Such competition is endemic in some media sectors in the United States and Europe, where digital distribution is reshaping media access around lower price points. It is widespread in India, | Mar 08 07:59 |
| GoForbes28 | where large domestic film and music industries dominate the national market, set prices to attract mass audiences, and in some cases compete directly with pirate distribution. And it is a small but persistent factor in the business software sector, where open-source software alternatives (and increasingly, Google and other free online services) limit the market power of commercial vendors." | Mar 08 07:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @gbraad ok. debian is good as well. | Mar 08 08:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] @evan I've never listened closely enough to that terrible song to hear the homophobia. Good times. | Mar 08 08:00 | |
| GoForbes28 | Yeah, I know the terms used in the study are inaccurate and stupid | Mar 08 08:01 |
| GoForbes28 | but at least it provides more evidence that the good infailable conglomerates are wrong | Mar 08 08:01 |
| GoForbes28 | and can be used as another piece of evidence against their reign of ignorance | Mar 08 08:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Curses, the dorm market is stocking clif bars again. *gobbles down the fourth one* | Mar 08 08:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Oh doesn't look like Spelling was in 1.2 - never mind I'll just have to be more careful that's all | Mar 08 08:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: p2pnet under threat. Again. This time, it's Getty Images http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49857 | Mar 08 08:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: StatCounter: #Android tops #BlackBerry globally for the first time - http://bit.ly/eQGKGx how long before it tops everything? | Mar 08 08:03 | |
| GoForbes28 | gnufreex, your thoughts? | Mar 08 08:03 |
| gnufreex | GoForbes28 about what? | Mar 08 08:04 |
| gnufreex | ahh | Mar 08 08:04 |
| gnufreex | that | Mar 08 08:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Potential Open Source License Violations In #Android and #iOS Apps? - http://bit.ly/fvPvMI highly likely, I would have thought | Mar 08 08:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Wikileaks Editorial - 100 Days of Cablegate - http://bit.ly/i681X3 no word of a faster release cycle... (V @WLLegal) | Mar 08 08:05 | |
| GoForbes28 | As I said, the lingo in the study is the typical "piracy" and "open-source" B.S. and generalizations | Mar 08 08:05 |
| GoForbes28 | but the conclusions seem reasonable for once | Mar 08 08:05 |
| gnufreex | No time to read, but it seems they say piracy is not that bad? | Mar 08 08:06 |
| gnufreex | Correct? | Mar 08 08:06 |
| GoForbes28 | yeah, and that the other studies and arguments used thus far suck and are laughably dated, particularly in concepts and terms | Mar 08 08:06 |
| gnufreex | Bookmarking now, will be back later. | Mar 08 08:07 |
| gnufreex | Have to go | Mar 08 08:07 |
| GoForbes28 | bbs | Mar 08 08:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @encyclomundi: For International Women's Day books by and about women http://booklover206.tumblr.com | Mar 08 08:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Craigslist Founder Launches craigconnects: “The Biggest Thing In My Life” - http://tcrn.ch/dVOkNW only connect... #nonprofits | Mar 08 08:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @mcastel in !Ubuntu I have at least four #git clients for free. In Mac OS it seems I have to pay no less than 31.99 EUROS #iuseubunt ... | Mar 08 08:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Jolicloud Becomes Joli OS, Announces Cross-Platform Apps http://ping.fm/8oOMX | Mar 08 08:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] ♺ @biglesp: @heeed will have to setup a !crunchbang installfest for !oggcamp @corenominal ;) | Mar 08 08:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Participate in !Free!Music!Week 2011 http://mkzä.de/785 recommend CC-licensed music, use tag #37cc | Mar 08 08:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Ostatic: What if Hewlett-Packard Bought !RedHat? http://ping.fm/FyItl | Mar 08 08:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] A Kafkaesque Data-trail: the Hunt for “Europe’s Hidden Billions” - http://bit.ly/eLPacv great work despite the obstacles #capitalism #eu | Mar 08 08:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Jolicloud Becomes Joli OS, Announces Cross-Platform Apps - http://rww.to/gsEwHA interesting stuff, but still not really convinced | Mar 08 08:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] InMobi Adds More Evidence That #Android Is #Winning (With 37 Percent Mobile #Ad Share) - http://tcrn.ch/dF9VBx as if we needed any | Mar 08 08:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Some MeeGo architecture changes announced http://lwn.net/Articles/432053/rss | Mar 08 08:46 | |
| lol, zuckerberg complains that people he can't identify lack integrity. http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000823.html | Mar 08 08:50 | |
| Facebook commenting systems don't spell bad news for spammers and trolls, many of whom are PR people with "pre aged" persona. | Mar 08 08:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] more originality from #Hollywood http://tighturl.com/2zp9 sorry, that was a misleading dent, just practising my marketing skills ;P | Mar 08 08:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @firusvg: Adobe Releases Flash to HTML5 Conversion Tool http://rww.to/hnzvC5 /via @Scobleizer @RWW | Mar 08 09:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] #wobwubwobblewobblewubwub | Mar 08 09:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] NEWS: Keynotes, program and more today announced for upcoming Collaboration Summit: http://bit.ly/esCpS9 #lfcollab | Mar 08 09:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxfoundation: Original: Looking for a MeeGo Job? Looking for a MeeGo Developer? http://bit.ly/gPvopt #linux #mobile #jobs | Mar 08 09:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @arstechnica: Hackers spear-phish, infiltrate French Ministry of Finances: http://t.co/04kpmSO by @drpizza #security | Mar 08 09:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Artykuł na temat spotkania NGOsów w sprawie akcji Stop Cenzurze 2 - na stronie !FWiOO: ur1.ca/3fbim | Mar 08 09:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] The Direction Of ATI Radeon Graphics In Ubuntu 11.04: With Ubuntu 11.04 arriving in a little more than a month, ... http://bit.ly/gcPuR1 | Mar 08 09:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Flash 10.2 Found To Be Crashtastic http://is.gd/j5VCls #adobe #flash #software | Mar 08 09:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @firusvg: Adobe Releases Flash to HTML5 Conversion Tool http://rww.to/hnzvC5 /via @Scobleizer @RWW | Mar 08 09:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Amazing Toroidal Knots! - http://bit.ly/dN45QF yours to print out and keep (if you have as #3dprinter...) #thingiverse | Mar 08 09:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] This is pretty crazy: http://ur1.ca/3fbj2 Courtesy of @rms | Mar 08 09:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL. Seems like my !Minecraft videos are converting quite a few people to the game... | Mar 08 09:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @bkuhn: Do PPL who use services in the .ly domain (s. as bit.ly via #Twitter) realize they're helping fund the oppressive regime in Libya? | Mar 08 09:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @danielmarti: #Nokia appoints new head of #MeeGo #gnu #linux efforts: Sebastian Nyström. http://ur1.ca/3fbbg | Mar 08 09:25 | |
| ha ha, more "IP courts" don't always add up to more influence for US companies. http://spectrum.ieee.org/consumer-electronics/audiovideo/taiwan-patent-court-a-concern-for-us-tech-firms | Mar 08 09:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] ♺ @climagic: sleep 8h # Because you can't do this in real life. | Mar 08 09:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] James Bond in Drag For International Women’s Day - http://bit.ly/dNal6t nicely done... #iwd | Mar 08 09:26 | |
| PJ says quotes it, "U.S. companies have sought speedier decisions through reforms and a dedicated IP Court [in Taiwan]. But now that the court is in session, the new legal system is speedily dismissing U.S. patent holders' claims. [PJ: File under You Reap What You Sow.] | Mar 08 09:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Wooooo! Alpha of F15 is out: http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease -- gotta try this soon! | Mar 08 09:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @henryconcep: #Fedora 15 #Lovelock Alpha Arrives http://bit.ly/hE7Zjp (love the codename) #gnu #linux #software | Mar 08 09:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] ♺ @henriksonj: RT @grateful__dead: RIP Pigpen 3-8-1973 "RONALD C. McKERNAN 1945–1973 PIGPEN WAS AND IS NOW FOREVER ONE OF THE GRATEFUL DEAD" | Mar 08 09:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @zotz in what sense? | Mar 08 09:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] RT @bkuhn Do people who use services in the .ly domain (such as bit.ly via #Twitter) realize they are helping fund the oppressive regime ... | Mar 08 09:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Del Mastro says some witnesses are trying to "game" the C-32 process - trying to go last which accounts for sked problems. #c32 | Mar 08 09:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC explains work on behalf of creators - w/SAC, Doc Org of Canada, independent authors w/Google book settlement. #c32 | Mar 08 09:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh I downloaded a daily image from a few days ago and it was quite impressive. Although the UI is less configurable, it's no longer slow | Mar 08 09:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh At least with my hardware :) | Mar 08 09:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC supports C-32's fair dealing, consumer exceptions, user gen content prov; but dig locks hurts consumers & creators #c32 | Mar 08 09:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @aprilorg: Logiciel Libre et Cantonales 2011 : l'April relance l'opération "un tract, un pacte!" http://ur1.ca/3fb4v #april | Mar 08 09:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @artandwriting: Hey tweeps, who are your favorite female artists & writers? #internationalwomensday - Lois McMaster Bujold! | Mar 08 09:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: .@russellmcormond "anytime you hear lock, you must ask who owns the key": purpose is to lock out the owner. #c32 | Mar 08 09:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @lovenemesis: Multi screens and HDMI support of #AMD is much better than #NVIDIA on #Linux. #gnu | Mar 08 09:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Garneau says he shares CIPPIC's view on digital locks. It supports need to link circumvention with copyright infringement. #c32 | Mar 08 09:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @flameeyes: @carlopiana: I wonder if we can say the same by paying Italian taxes...<that is arguably unescapable ;-) | Mar 08 09:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC says stat damage change removes coercive effect on individuals for "30 images on a site" [abt what McTeague's doing]#c32 | Mar 08 09:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC: Digital lock rules & restrictive fair dealing a problem for doc film makers that is only going to grow over time. #C32 | Mar 08 09:33 | |
| DaemonFC | Why does Google say a bug is "Linux only" when the bug is in the X.org X Server? | Mar 08 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | that means it could apply to any operating system that uses X.org's X Server | Mar 08 09:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Angus: What concerns me abt C-32 is that it guarantees consumer rights but users may not be able to exercise due to locks. #c32 | Mar 08 09:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC: Two constitutional problems in C-32: 1. Digital lock rules 2. Charter concerns w/restrictions freedom of expression #c32 | Mar 08 09:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @schestowitz Forbes Estimates M$ Down to 75% Share of PCs http://ur1.ca/3eu8f #gnu #linux #mac #apple #windows | Mar 08 09:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC: Educational fair dealing most misunderstood provision in C-32: does not permit wholesale copying as some suggest. #c32 | Mar 08 09:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mohanpram: Future of #Qt brighter after Digia buys licensing biz from #Nokia http://ur1.ca/3fawh | Mar 08 09:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC: C-32 fair dealing gives teachers confidence to bring tech into class & allows students bring their content to class #c32 | Mar 08 09:35 | |
| DaemonFC | OpenBSD gets to go on and on about not having security bugs that often in the default configuration because the default configuration doesn't have things like X11, or web browser, or even a graphical user interface (desktop environment) | Mar 08 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | to say nothing of the fact that most of the network services are either not there or disabled | Mar 08 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | so it's really secure because they don't include anything that enables the computer to do anything but sit there, hum, and use electricity | Mar 08 09:37 |
| or run SSH | Mar 08 09:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @missoularedhead: For Lent, I've decided to give up giving something up. | Mar 08 09:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Can't wait to run the F-15 "Eagle" ...eh... I mean "Pubic Hair" release. :D | Mar 08 09:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @fabsh it's not a direct effect. .ly is held by Lybian government. The more popular .ly is, the more domains they sell (see .tv) | Mar 08 09:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Bloc puts forward motion to ask isoHunt's Gary Fung to appear before C-32 committee. #c32 | Mar 08 09:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Hey Banglore ! I am Here .. KDE conf.. 2011, @kdeindia | Mar 08 09:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Del Mastro notes isoHunt currently before the courts & don't want to hurt industry case against site [using current law] #c32 | Mar 08 09:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Consensus that no motion but will invite isoHunt's Fung to appear before the C-32 committee. #c32 | Mar 08 09:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I think people who think boycotting .ly changes anything are deluding themselves. Writing to the UN would probably accomplish a lot more... | Mar 08 09:38 | |
| DaemonFC | if you were keeping score, you'd probably find that 90% or more of the security bugs in a Linux distribution are only there when the user has X, a GUI, and nifty things like web browsers and media players and instant messengers and SAMBA, and CUPS, an.... | Mar 08 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | so it comes down to the fact that almost every feature you use will bring security bugs with it | Mar 08 09:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @LucianSavluc: Carnival in Brazil 2011 - The joy of color, wonderful images - http://is.gd/govPob | Mar 08 09:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @TechCrunch: OpenText Acquires Mobile App Deployment Software Maker weComm http://tcrn.ch/gnbsmc by @robinwauters | Mar 08 09:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @JesseBrown: Did @CharlieAngusMP violate Warner Music's ©? The CBC's? Does DMCA have jurisdiction in Canada? Podcast http://bit.ly/f6JeIE | Mar 08 09:40 | |
| I'm not sure why people run samba | Mar 08 09:40 | |
| DaemonFC | they split a lot of hairs with OpenBSD, I'm not so sure it's any more secure than FreeBSD or Linux distributions in a similar configuration | Mar 08 09:40 |
| and I'm not fond of CUPS web control | Mar 08 09:40 | |
| DaemonFC | Mozilla closes a dozen or more security bugs in Firefox alone every month, let's worry about what this ralink driver is up to | Mar 08 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | tin foil hat to the extreme :) | Mar 08 09:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @popey: @bkuhn Does that mean people who own .com domains help support the regime in the USA? #guantanamo | Mar 08 09:41 | |
| there's nothing silly about looking at drivers | Mar 08 09:42 | |
| DaemonFC | any operating system that preoccupied with security and bug audits wouldn't even offer Xulrunner | Mar 08 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not real impressed with Mozilla to be honest | Mar 08 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | Chatzilla broke in October, the patch to fix it is one line in a script that only affects Chatzilla | Mar 08 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | and they still haven't applied it :) | Mar 08 09:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[demuxer/@demuxer] 100 Days of !Cablegate http://rod.gs/Sqg Keep it going !wikileaks | Mar 08 09:43 | |
| DaemonFC | their bug fixing policy could use some work, because it seems in some cases they leave bugs open for months or more when the patch to fix them is trivial and if applied, it only affects the thing that broke anyway :) | Mar 08 09:44 |
| Do you still run Vista, DaemonFC? | Mar 08 09:44 | |
| DaemonFC | no | Mar 08 09:44 |
| good for you | Mar 08 09:44 | |
| DaemonFC | I tinkered with Vista for a while until I figured there was just no way to work around all that was wrong with it | Mar 08 09:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @fontana: I am hereby placing the (still draft) !Fedora Project Contributor Agreement http://ur1.ca/3fbit under !CC -0 http://ur1.ca/3fbiu | Mar 08 09:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] +1 ♺ @aptidude: @fabsh I'm boycotting people who boycott. | Mar 08 09:45 | |
| do you run any version of Windows? | Mar 08 09:45 | |
| DaemonFC | I have Windows XP in a KVM virtual machine | Mar 08 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 08 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | I would use Xen, but that's not going to happen | Mar 08 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | I tried using it in Xen and it wouldn't even start up | Mar 08 09:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mettaben/@mettaben] ♻ @swadeshine It's a sad state of affairs when exposing war crimes has more dire consequences than committing them. #Manning !WikiLeaks | Mar 08 09:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Prisoners Help Build Patriot Missiles | Wired http://is.gd/fQtIFL !wl | Mar 08 09:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[1g0r/@1g0r] ♺ @mettaben: ♻ @swadeshine It's a sad state of affairs when exposing war crimes has more dire consequences than committing them #Manning !wl | Mar 08 09:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @nybill: @windigo You are a living archive! ;) | Mar 08 09:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @beefymiracle: Do it with relish! Check out http://beefymiracle.org and think of me for #Fedora 16! | Mar 08 09:53 | |
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| Michael Moore on the war against the middle class http://www.alternet.org/economy/150139/michael_moore:_the_smug_wealthy_have_gone_too_far_--_and_we're_finally_fighting_back?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=alternet | Mar 08 09:57 | |
| better link http://www.alternet.org/economy/150139/michael_moore:_the_smug_wealthy_have_gone_too_far_--_and_we're_finally_fighting_back?page=entire | Mar 08 09:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] The World’s First Goateed Robot Is Unbelievably Creepy (Gawker): http://gaw.kr/geW8WB | Mar 08 10:00 | |
| sultan2 | What?! This economics illiteral (Moore) | Mar 08 10:00 |
| I think there is a tremendous generational divide between people now in power who grew up with the opportunities of the late 60s and 70s and the rest of us who have been steadily locked out. | Mar 08 10:00 | |
| sultan2 | Listen to Alex Jones http://www.infowars.com/ | Mar 08 10:00 |
| sultan2 | Is twitter a bot? | Mar 08 10:00 |
| I'm a person, thank you. | Mar 08 10:01 | |
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| http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/217907 | Mar 08 10:01 | |
| Moore's observations are close to the ground and often insightful | Mar 08 10:02 | |
| Diablo-D3 | sultan2: are you fucking kidding me | Mar 08 10:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | infowars == fail | Mar 08 10:03 |
| sultan2 | Freedomain Radio, then | Mar 08 10:03 |
| His examples, teachers, nurses, airline pilots are excellent examples of how many professionals have been reduced to subsistence wages. | Mar 08 10:03 | |
| sultan2 | Moore doesn't know anything about economics | Mar 08 10:03 |
| take what it gives | Mar 08 10:04 | |
| sultan2 | He propose the same thing, which is socialism | Mar 08 10:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | socalism isnt the answer directly | Mar 08 10:04 |
| sultan2 | I can do life by my own, without government/state touch | Mar 08 10:04 |
| if you believe in public education, you are a socialist | Mar 08 10:04 | |
| Diablo-D3 | true capitalism is indirectly socialism | Mar 08 10:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | you stop any company that actively tries to destroy the free market | Mar 08 10:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | ergo, everyone is free to have a job and earn meaningful wages | Mar 08 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | Old people, social security. = What's ours is ours and what's yours is ours. | Mar 08 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | they get to retire and spend the last 20-30-40 years of their life on the government's dime | Mar 08 10:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Assange's rage against the state | NZ Herald http://is.gd/Q4iiKG !wl | Mar 08 10:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Prisoners Help Build Patriot Missiles | Wired http://is.gd/fQtIFL http://bit.ly/eStLbb | Mar 08 10:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Assange's rage against the state | NZ Herald http://is.gd/Q4iiKG http://bit.ly/hg82Zp | Mar 08 10:06 | |
| DaemonFC | my generation will have to work into our 80s to cover this | Mar 08 10:06 |
| Moore proposes to claw back some of the corporate welfare the ultra rich have scraped up at everyone else's expense. Taxing the wealthy because that's where all the money is - that's hardly socialism it's practical policy. | Mar 08 10:06 | |
| DaemonFC | we're being hosed by our parents and grandparents | Mar 08 10:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | Moore is correct. | Mar 08 10:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | "corporate welfare for the rich" is effectively socialism done horribly wrong | Mar 08 10:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | socialism is where everyone gets a piece of the outermost pie | Mar 08 10:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | there is nothing inherently wrong with that | Mar 08 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | socialists know how to spend your money better than you do | Mar 08 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | that's why they take so much of it :) | Mar 08 10:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | a little of that is even required to keep large societies from collapsing | Mar 08 10:07 |
| our parents and grandparents are in turn being hosed. "end of life" health care often leaves them broke if insurance has not already done that | Mar 08 10:08 | |
| Diablo-D3 | but socialist programs should only exist to protect those who society needs to function | Mar 08 10:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: yes, which is nuts | Mar 08 10:08 |
| DaemonFC | it would be a laugh riot if they actually posted figures on how many of those people who get free healthcare at the emergency room are even in the US legally | Mar 08 10:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | they DID pay into the system | Mar 08 10:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | far more than we ever can | Mar 08 10:08 |
| DaemonFC | or how many of them can't speak english and cost the hospital money to pay an interpreter | Mar 08 10:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | all americans, especially them, deserve the utmost best healthcare. | Mar 08 10:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | normally I would argue against outright socialism like that... but lets face it, the rich stole all their money | Mar 08 10:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | otherwise they could pay it all out of pocket | Mar 08 10:09 |
| DaemonFC | the system isn't working because the people that pay the least into every one of these programs benefit the most out of it | Mar 08 10:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | they'd be at least in the single digit millions. | Mar 08 10:09 |
| healthcare is increasingly a "privilege" for the rich and powerful - people should do better than that for each other | Mar 08 10:10 | |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: well | Mar 08 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | they didn't even have Social Security until my grandparents were in their 40s | Mar 08 10:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | heres the large problem | Mar 08 10:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | those rich never deserved to be rich | Mar 08 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | they payd virtually nil into it and got to retire at 65 | Mar 08 10:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | very few ever earned it with their own hard work | Mar 08 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | good deal, now I get to pay for it | Mar 08 10:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | the few that did? they deserve it. | Mar 08 10:10 |
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| Diablo-D3 | the rest? it should be taken from them. | Mar 08 10:10 |
| the poor are obviously not the problem because they have next to no income and wealth, don't blame them. | Mar 08 10:10 | |
| DaemonFC | Social Security is collapsing because the first generations that retired on it didn't pay that much into it | Mar 08 10:11 |
| DaemonFC | not a healthy start for a Ponzi scam | Mar 08 10:11 |
| It wold be a lot easier to tax the top 1% of the country that has as much wealth as the bottom 50% combined. | Mar 08 10:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @ratholeradio: A new Rathole Radio is out now, check out the tunes and enjoy :) - http://ratholeradio.org/2011/03/ep47/ | Mar 08 10:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Wikileaks: Egyptian activist denies masterminding Jan. 25 revolution http://is.gd/JTEj1e !wl | Mar 08 10:11 | |
| I'm not sure what jokers like Gates do for society, other than tell people how to get him more money. | Mar 08 10:12 | |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: but the thing is | Mar 08 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | My grandparents Paid little, Got a lot. My parents paid a lot and probably break even. My generation, pays their entire life and never gets to retire. | Mar 08 10:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | poor dont CHOOSE to be poor | Mar 08 10:12 |
| I consider him a parasite. | Mar 08 10:12 | |
| Diablo-D3 | they were born poor, and they will die poor | Mar 08 10:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | you cant make money out of nothing | Mar 08 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | Thanks mom, dad, grandma, grandpa! | Mar 08 10:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | they deserve, from the day they are born, a job that is meaningful and wages that are meaningful | Mar 08 10:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | most social programs _would not need to exist_ if the system worked. | Mar 08 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | so what if a person isn't all that smart or ambitious | Mar 08 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | should they pay him $20 an hour to sling hash? | Mar 08 10:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | we'd all be able to afford healthcare, they'red be no health insurance companies (which are gigantic scams to steal money), we wouldnt need social security, and we'd be all investing huge sums of money in the general health and welfare of our nation | Mar 08 10:13 |
| There's value in the work, obviously. | Mar 08 10:13 | |
| DaemonFC | the more people can do the work, the less valuable the work is | Mar 08 10:14 |
| Most of it is simply sucked up by people who don't deserve it. | Mar 08 10:14 | |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: not only is there value in work, the system actively tries to destroy the work of people | Mar 08 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | there's fewer people who can do heart surgery than can man the fryolator at McDonalds | Mar 08 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | and the salary disparity shows it | Mar 08 10:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | I agree... but most of whats sucked up is done so by whos at the very top of the list: the rich. | Mar 08 10:14 |
| the top of the list do little more than own things | Mar 08 10:15 | |
| Diablo-D3 | most rich people were born rich | Mar 08 10:15 |
| their disproportionate ownership of stocks and bonds make every corporate bail out a case of robbery. | Mar 08 10:15 | |
| Diablo-D3 | they never did a day of work in their lives. | Mar 08 10:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: I agree. | Mar 08 10:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | not only that, its borderline terrorism | Mar 08 10:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | its also grossly unconstitutional | Mar 08 10:16 |
| DaemonFC | Bill Gates wasn't born rich | Mar 08 10:16 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, he dropped out of college | Mar 08 10:16 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't even have a degree (except a few honorary) | Mar 08 10:16 |
| Gates was born very richs. | Mar 08 10:16 | |
| he dropped out of college because he could and went on to start his business with family money and powerful political and legal connections | Mar 08 10:17 | |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, he was | Mar 08 10:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | yup | Mar 08 10:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | which means most of his wealth should be stripped. | Mar 08 10:17 |
| Showed his dad a new way to hoover up public wealth - software, traffic systems, etc. | Mar 08 10:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Need Speaker for second day - 13 March at Delhi for FOSS talk http://lug-iitd.org/Geek_meetup_-_13_Mar_2011 !GeekMeetupD | Mar 08 10:18 | |
| Now he's moved into the last profitable segments of society, medicine. | Mar 08 10:18 | |
| Diablo-D3 | This isnt a Free Market. | Mar 08 10:19 |
| that's obvious | Mar 08 10:19 | |
| it's more like an oligarchy and wages reflect this | Mar 08 10:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Nebraska law forces woman to have baby that doctors wanted her to abort over defects, child dies 15 minutes after birth http://ur1.ca/3fbsg | Mar 08 10:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: U.S. targeted EU on GM foods | CBC http://is.gd/EYUZu9 !wl | Mar 08 10:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxfoundation: Original: Firefox 4.0 Approaches: What's in Store for Linux Users? http://bit.ly/f4RPAh #linux #mozilla #firefox | Mar 08 10:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] my politician context was someone who answers a question with a non-answer, the end path is mass voter apathy | Mar 08 10:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] every politician who does it is part of the problem | Mar 08 10:21 | |
| RMS notices something, "Violent crime and robbery in Oregon have been decreasing for years and are now the lowest since 1966. But most people in Oregon have been led by the media to think it is getting worse (except in their own home town). This study was about Oregon, but the phenomenon is probably not limited to Oregon. And the erroneous fear boosts right-wing politics." http://stallman.org/archives/2011-jan-apr.html#07 March 2011 (Perc | Mar 08 10:22 | |
| This was very true in Tacoma, Washington. | Mar 08 10:22 | |
| People were afraid to go out after dark especially around public parks. | Mar 08 10:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] take a look at select committee hearings to see this in full effect, hour after hour of questions, and not a single answer | Mar 08 10:23 | |
| One day I looked up actual crime statistics and just about fell out of my chair. | Mar 08 10:23 | |
| The 250,000 people who live there manage to murder between 10 and 20 people a year, something that has actually declined per person. | Mar 08 10:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Amtrak police chief bars #TSA from some security operations http://ur1.ca/3fbti | Mar 08 10:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Reuters runs paid for advertisement for the Gates Foundation to make Bill Gates look good http://ur1.ca/3fbtq | Mar 08 10:25 | |
| By way of comparison, my hometown of New Orleans kills one or two people per day, something that has steadily increased for it's 500,000 or so people. | Mar 08 10:25 | |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Mar 08 10:25 |
| People have called Tacoma a "gritty" and "working class" town. It looked like an egalitarian paradise to me. | Mar 08 10:26 | |
| People working in shipping made about as much or more than I did. Public education worked as did public transport, the municipal power company and public network. | Mar 08 10:28 | |
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| The economic downturn had hurt the place but they had a long, long way to go before they hit southern standards or education, crime and income disparity. | Mar 08 10:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Ladyboy Gaga goes Gaga over ownership of baby noises http://tighturl.com/2zpi | Mar 08 10:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Labour still not worked the #BBC out, they support the current govt propaganda line, regardless of party in power http://tighturl.com/2zpk | Mar 08 10:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Speedier, simpler and safer: Chrome’s basics get even better http://goo.gl/1RTxv !chromium | Mar 08 10:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: #gThumb 2.13.1 Released With 'Find Duplicates' Extension, More: http://goo.gl/gDspK !PPA: http://goo.gl/hc1M | Mar 08 10:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Tuesday's security updates http://lwn.net/Articles/432075/rss | Mar 08 10:41 | |
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| Why US support of dictators and clampdowns on wikileaks are a disaster in the making http://stallman.org/archives/2011-jan-apr.html#07 March 2011 (Downtrodden Pressure) | Mar 08 10:42 | |
| "The pressure of the downtrodden in Muslim countries seeks an exit, and if denied others, it will support Islamic extremism." | Mar 08 10:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Love how people in the comments to that article are accusing Gnome of breaking KDE. The KDE people did that quite well alone IMHO. LOL | Mar 08 10:43 | |
| Injustice breeds more of the same. | Mar 08 10:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Announcing the release of Fedora 15 Alpha http://lwn.net/Articles/432108/rss | Mar 08 10:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fedora/@fedora] Fedora 15 "Lovelock" Alpha release is here! Catch a glimpse of the future: http://ur1.ca/3fbwn Full announcement here: http://ur1.ca/3fbwx | Mar 08 10:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] IBM Centennial Film: 100 X 100 - A century of achievements that have changed the world http://is.gd/0Bgrpg #ibm #software #hardware | Mar 08 10:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] According to my records, I've worked on a document for 7 hrs today. And I've lost half morning in court. Busy day... | Mar 08 10:55 | |
| DaemonFC | == New in Mesa - 03/08/2011 ==Both r300g and r600g are now the default drivers. | Mar 08 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | from Xorg Edgers :) | Mar 08 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | one less thing in the "Pimp your xorg.conf" list for Radeon users | Mar 08 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | the classic R600c driver is in really bad shape, this move to R600g has been a long time coming | Mar 08 10:58 |
| DaemonFC | the first thing a user would notice on Evergreen going from c to g is about half again the performance, less bugs, and a whole lot more OpenGL 2/3 extensions | Mar 08 10:59 |
| *DaemonFC has been wondering why Ubuntu insisted on defaulting to a driver that hasn't seen any meaningful work in the last >year | Mar 08 11:00 | |
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| DaemonFC | apparently eadeonhd is still on life support | Mar 08 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | the OpenSuse guys are patching it up just enough to continue supporting the OpenSuse versions that used it | Mar 08 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | *radeonhd | Mar 08 11:02 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Our team in #RedHat getting adafruit love ♻ @adafruit: The Open Source Way http://bit.ly/ibT2NG | Mar 08 11:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Libya: Gadaffi orders mercenaries to execute Army soldiers who refused to fire on civilians http://ur1.ca/3fc07 | Mar 08 11:03 | |
| GoForbes28 | http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/jwalke/a_concrete_example_how_the_rei.html | Mar 08 11:03 |
| GoForbes28 | So that's how they;ll control overpopulation | Mar 08 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose it would be safe-ish to use Kubuntu 11.04 at this point | Mar 08 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | the free driver no longer sucks all that bad (from xorg-edgers) and the new fglrx will be out within a few days | Mar 08 11:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] American prison labor used to build Patriot missiles for #UAE arms deal http://ur1.ca/3fc0d | Mar 08 11:05 | |
| DaemonFC | Kubuntu alphas and betas are always more stable than Ubuntu | Mar 08 11:05 |
| GoForbes28 | Xubuntu too? | Mar 08 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is tracking development releases of GNOME while Kubuntu usually gets a stable KDE release at that stage | Mar 08 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | Xubuntu too, yeah | Mar 08 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | usuallly | Mar 08 11:05 |
| GoForbes28 | Xfce 4.8 yet? | Mar 08 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | if you're just testing something out that doesn't depend on GNOME, use the Kubuntu alpha | Mar 08 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | it's more likely to work | Mar 08 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they have 4.8 in Xubuntu | Mar 08 11:07 |
| GoForbes28 | On another topic, between http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/jwalke/a_concrete_example_how_the_rei.html and all the other insane events in the U.S., I believe it may be effective to use a Stephen King idea and encase the U.S. in a dome until they've worked our their problems | Mar 08 11:07 |
| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: good, 4.8 looks to be a big improvement | Mar 08 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat did a good job in their software selections for RHEL 6 | Mar 08 11:08 |
| GoForbes28 | And to those here in the U.S, good luck | Mar 08 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | I have yet to have anything crash | Mar 08 11:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: Google Mobile search adds Instant Previews on !Android 2.2 http://goo.gl/A18wr | Mar 08 11:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] A PaaS IDE? VMWare buys WaveMaker (Red Monk): http://bit.ly/fSM8CR | Mar 08 11:08 | |
| GoForbes28 | Have you tried Debian to test stability? | Mar 08 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I didn't like it that much though | Mar 08 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | building a custom kernel so your audio won't pop and skip and jitter is a little extreme | Mar 08 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 11:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: #Honeycomb browser isn’t up to par on #HTML5 http://goo.gl/MB06s !android | Mar 08 11:10 | |
| DaemonFC | RHEL's KConfig seems to be a lot more well-rounded | Mar 08 11:10 |
| DaemonFC | they defer to lower latency in cases where the throughput would increase latency a lot more than increasing throughput | Mar 08 11:10 |
| DaemonFC | so it's useful as a desktop kernel | Mar 08 11:10 |
| DaemonFC | Debian's KConfig is only really going to work if you don't mind audio distortions or you're going to use it as a server | Mar 08 11:11 |
| GoForbes28 | What's that alternative Debian kernel that's talked about? | Mar 08 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | they have several that I noticed, but none sounded appropriate for me | Mar 08 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | the rest of the Debian system seems good, but their kernel configuration is not targeted for desktop/mutimedia use | Mar 08 11:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] However this blokaddikt fella is, he build himself a bloody fucking awesome home!! | Mar 08 11:13 | |
| DaemonFC | neither is RHEL's really, but I haven't had problems out of it | Mar 08 11:13 |
| DaemonFC | several long term Linux distributions have settled on Linux 2.6.32, so it's quite stable at this point | Mar 08 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | that's a plus in settling on one of those distributions | Mar 08 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | but RHEL and Ubuntu Lucid are the only ones getting periodic driver backports | Mar 08 11:15 |
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| DaemonFC | eventually the Debian Squeeze CD will be too old to even boot on new hardware | Mar 08 11:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Female Web Developers vs. Male Web Developers (Graphic.is): http://bit.ly/gAFeun | Mar 08 11:16 | |
| DaemonFC | Debian is probably the wrong thing to standardize on if you plan on getting new hardware configurations within its life cycle | Mar 08 11:17 |
| DaemonFC | you can look at RHEL release notes and see that they're porting new drivers back into their kernels regularly | Mar 08 11:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh compared to xembed systray icons? how so? | Mar 08 11:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I hereby announce that from now on I'll be boycotting EVERYONE to become a hermit, even ISPs have stock portfolios #disturbing #sarcasm | Mar 08 11:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the world is too #disturbing to live in, you can't do ANYTHING without some connection to something dodgy, best avoid the whole planet | Mar 08 11:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] UN needs to establish a no-fly zone over #Libya http://ur1.ca/3fc3h | Mar 08 11:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] damn, someone who contributes to a project has a job working for a company who exploiits slave wages, quick BOYCOTT THEM! | Mar 08 11:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Microsoft admits open source under any copyleft license is banned on Windows Phone, says it will partially fix it: http://wmk.me/hVQ4EU | Mar 08 11:21 | |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: what sound hw is that on? | Mar 08 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | Realtek 7.1 HDA | Mar 08 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | it's integrated :) | Mar 08 11:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] eeGods, #UK govt prop up a lot of regimes, BOYCOTT THEM, I refuse to co-operate with the UK tax system for political reasons | Mar 08 11:23 | |
| GoForbes28 | is it proprietary? | Mar 08 11:24 |
| DaemonFC | no, it works with a free driver and no firmware blob | Mar 08 11:24 |
| DaemonFC | if you use proprietary video drivers on Linux, you're being pragmatic, if you use proprietary audio drivers, you're nuts, if you try using proprietary TV tuner card drivers, you're flipping crazy and don't bitch when that far east no name chipset vendor abandons you in 6 months | Mar 08 11:26 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 11:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @fabsh Working fine here. | Mar 08 11:26 | |
| DaemonFC | I had an old cheapo tv tuner left over from a few years ago and noticed that the only attempted Linux support they ever gave it was a broken driver with a buggy kernel glue module that was only meant to work with Ubuntu 8.04 | Mar 08 11:27 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 11:27 |
| DaemonFC | these outfits have all decided to follow the Nvidia GPL violation way and do the blob + glue approach | Mar 08 11:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @cryojenx: Mom's PC infested with #malware, I have GOT to get her switched to !Linux. | Mar 08 11:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] all legit corps in the UK collaborate with the UK govt, should be boycotted as well, black & white world view is refreshing if #disturbing | Mar 08 11:28 | |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu signs off on this because they're not worried about GPL violations and bad quality drivers that panic the kernel | Mar 08 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | that's why you see this stack of blobs in Ubuntu that aren't supported even by other distros that don't care about free vs non-free | Mar 08 11:29 |
| DaemonFC | they're so broken that nobody else will touch them free or not | Mar 08 11:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Chavela Vargas - En el último trago http://is.gd/SJmmXA | Mar 08 11:30 | |
| DaemonFC | "Cool, it makes my widget work when it's not molesting shared memory or overwriting /etc/shadow!" | Mar 08 11:30 |
| DaemonFC | "I love Ubuntu!" | Mar 08 11:30 |
| DaemonFC | jono rocks! | Mar 08 11:30 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 11:30 |
| jono | DaemonFC, I agree | Mar 08 11:31 |
| jono | lol | Mar 08 11:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @bob_sutor: Red Hat: Commitment to Open http://bit.ly/gABThC #linux #redhat | Mar 08 11:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxfoundation: Have an idea for a Linux Foundation #GSOC project? We want to know! http://linx.ly/eim3Hw | Mar 08 11:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Microsoft admits open source under any copyleft license is banned on Windows Phone, says it will partially fix it: http://wmk.me/hVQ4EU | Mar 08 11:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Syncing page content with HTML5 video (a different kind of webinar) http://mzl.la/gAxBPQ | Mar 08 11:31 | |
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| DaemonFC | jono and the Ubuntu rubbernecking bill of goods distro from the year 3-effing-000 | Mar 08 11:32 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 11:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Discovering, authenticating, analyzing digital data - standard of admissibility in legal settings - interesting - http://is.gd/buVSm8 | Mar 08 11:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxaria: [Repost] How to realize a webcam server on !Linux with motion #floss #gnu http://ur1.ca/3fc22 | Mar 08 11:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @idolrevolver: It's awesome when, after tunnelling monotonously for ages, you break through into a vast cave system. #minecraft | Mar 08 11:33 | |
| DaemonFC | if your goal is to release every 6 months and blindly package everything for your Debian testing/sid/experimental blend then I'm surprised that it works at all | Mar 08 11:33 |
| DaemonFC | they test out and hand pick enough of the packages that the core system usually works | Mar 08 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | but once you start pulling in packages, it could be a coin toss if anyone has actually used them or if they simply didn't fail to build :) | Mar 08 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | jono should just throw in ABRT and forget and leave it pointed to bugzilla.redhat.com | Mar 08 11:35 |
| DaemonFC | unintentional of course :) | Mar 08 11:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh that statement is so full of fail it's hard to know where to begin. | Mar 08 11:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @novitro: Nou #peblog: Cateva notiuni despre autentificarea cu doi factori http://bit.ly/dOLy0x | Mar 08 11:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] You know, I really love hotdogs, but I don't want them on my desktop to be honest... | Mar 08 11:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Just arrived in time for !barca vs teh gooners :-) | Mar 08 11:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh first off, status notifiers (or appindicators) do not enforce any uniformity. the visualization chooses how to represent things. | Mar 08 11:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh second, i do expect my systray icon to appear in whatever desktop shell i'm using. so, yes, this tech does need to be broadly used. | Mar 08 11:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh as for why the change: because the old icons don't provide ANY metadata nor can they be freely painted by the visualization | Mar 08 11:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh that means they can't be merged into a taskbar, they can't be scaled, they can't be viewed in multiple places, they can't a11y'd well | Mar 08 11:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh they can't be intelligently hidden/shown or grouped by function due to lack of metadata .. shall i go on? | Mar 08 11:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh this has nothing to do with notifications. | Mar 08 11:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh i'm not a fan of canonical's notifications either, and blogged why that is some time ago. but this about the systray icon replacement | Mar 08 11:40 | |
| DaemonFC | success measured by source lines changed | Mar 08 11:40 |
| DaemonFC | I think that must be Unity's policy | Mar 08 11:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh yes, but many/most people use applications written by many different projects and want to use them in their desktop shell of choice. | Mar 08 11:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh one may also magically want to use a dock replacement and expect that to work, too. | Mar 08 11:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh what part of "this about systray icons, not notifications" is hard for you to understand? | Mar 08 11:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh and so because the a11y is better in one place, we should say "fuck it" to the systray icons? that makes no sense. | Mar 08 11:43 | |
| GoForbes28 | so DaemonFC, what would be your choice of GNU/Linux distribution? | Mar 08 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | several good ones | Mar 08 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | I'm gravitating towards Fedora and EL 6 | Mar 08 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | depending on my system | Mar 08 11:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Why Are You Really Posting All Those Facebook Photos? (Jezebel): http://bit.ly/eycBgb | Mar 08 11:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is fabsh with 163 dents! | Mar 08 11:46 | |
| GoForbes28 | why fedora? | Mar 08 11:47 |
| DaemonFC | they have a higher degree of quality control than Ubuntu | Mar 08 11:47 |
| DaemonFC | they're more concerned with not letting nonfree and patented things get in | Mar 08 11:47 |
| DaemonFC | especially in their default repos and desktop | Mar 08 11:47 |
| GoForbes28 | Excepted for the blobbed kernels :( | Mar 08 11:48 |
| DaemonFC | they usually get newer technologies before Ubuntu does | Mar 08 11:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh and what you're saying is dead wrong. :) | Mar 08 11:48 | |
| DaemonFC | their kernel isn't blobbed | Mar 08 11:48 |
| GoForbes28 | yeah it is | Mar 08 11:48 |
| DaemonFC | the blobs are all modules in external RPM packages | Mar 08 11:48 |
| GoForbes28 | They went the Debian route? | Mar 08 11:48 |
| DaemonFC | Debian went the Fedora route :) | Mar 08 11:49 |
| DaemonFC | except Fedora has some of those RPMs installed | Mar 08 11:49 |
| DaemonFC | easy to get rid of | Mar 08 11:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Fedora 15 Alpha has been released: http://goo.gl/4U8yl | Mar 08 11:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: James Bond in Drag For International Women’s Day - http://bit.ly/dNal6t nicely done... #iwd | Mar 08 11:50 | |
| GoForbes28 | So Fedora uses a "libre" kernel? | Mar 08 11:50 |
| DaemonFC | the kernel itself is | Mar 08 11:50 |
| non free software is not easy to get rid of - you don't know what it has done - that's why it should not be used by default. | Mar 08 11:50 | |
| DaemonFC | the firmware modules are external | Mar 08 11:50 |
| DaemonFC | I don't use any more of it than I have to | Mar 08 11:51 |
| you never have to | Mar 08 11:51 | |
| DaemonFC | I take out firmware that isn't used by any of my devices | Mar 08 11:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: they always did | Mar 08 11:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | they also employ some of the most productive kernel devs | Mar 08 11:51 |
| I take out devices that require firmware | Mar 08 11:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh the old system is an opaque blob in the form of an embedded window. the new one is 100% data: it can be presented as plain text, e.g. | Mar 08 11:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] mmm fried egg roll, with sesame seeds too #tasty | Mar 08 11:51 | |
| DaemonFC | in RHEL 6, you don't even have kernel blogs if you don't get them from ELrepo | Mar 08 11:51 |
| DaemonFC | *blobs | Mar 08 11:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | firmware itself isnt a bad thing. | Mar 08 11:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | its when companies abuse that privledge | Mar 08 11:52 |
| blobs are always a bad thing | Mar 08 11:52 | |
| Diablo-D3 | wifi chips are the worst | Mar 08 11:52 |
| that you would need a blob to run hardware is always an abuse | Mar 08 11:52 | |
| DaemonFC | Broadcom decided to open source their firmware after Fedora started reverse engineering it | Mar 08 11:52 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Mar 08 11:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | otoh you have radeons which the firmwares are deeply documented and extremely thin | Mar 08 11:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@glynmoody: Jolicloud Becomes JoliOS, Announces Cross-Platform Apps http://rww.to/gsEwHA interesting stuff, but still not really convinced | Mar 08 11:53 | |
| if it's free software, it's not a blob | Mar 08 11:53 | |
| Diablo-D3 | its not free | Mar 08 11:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | but its also not really worth arguing about | Mar 08 11:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | firmware issues almost entirely boil down to wifi cards | Mar 08 11:54 |
| what do they use them for exactly? | Mar 08 11:54 | |
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| GoForbes28 | according to amd developers, the ati firmware has something to do with DRM | Mar 08 11:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | basically, the entire chip is really just firmware | Mar 08 11:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: nope | Mar 08 11:55 |
| GoForbes28 | and I mean the restrictions kind | Mar 08 11:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: most of its booting | Mar 08 11:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | the rest is just shit like the atombios layer | Mar 08 11:55 |
| booting what? | Mar 08 11:55 | |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: the video card. | Mar 08 11:55 |
| GoForbes28 | According to an AMD developer, "opening" the firmware would make their DRM implementation easier to circumvent | Mar 08 11:56 |
| so what does it do for the video card that has to be done in a non free way? | Mar 08 11:56 | |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: easier, yes. DRM is also done via the atombios layer. | Mar 08 11:56 |
| GoForbes28 | Doesn't apply to me, since I bought an Intel GMA HD | Mar 08 11:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: its upgradable. | Mar 08 11:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: drivers have shipped new versions of it to fix bugs. | Mar 08 11:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is stuff you actually want to be firmware. | Mar 08 11:56 |
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| Windows is upgradable too, you just pave it with Debian. | Mar 08 11:56 | |
| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: BTW, since you like Fedora, BLAG's RC is out | Mar 08 11:57 |
| GoForbes28 | http://www.blagblagblag.org/ | Mar 08 11:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | but with wifi | Mar 08 11:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | its much much worse | Mar 08 11:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | the wifi chip doesnt do anything | Mar 08 11:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres no actual logic anywhere in it | Mar 08 11:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | the ENTIRE engine is in the blob | Mar 08 11:57 |
| so, it's like winmodems all over again? | Mar 08 11:57 | |
| DaemonFC | blagblaglblablagblagblaglblablag | Mar 08 11:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 11:57 |
| basically done to screw free software. | Mar 08 11:57 | |
| Diablo-D3 | which if the documentation were ever to leak out, you'd have a fully reprogrammable digital radio that works on wifi frequencies (and possibly farther outside than that) | Mar 08 11:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: nope | Mar 08 11:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | its half done to screw oems | Mar 08 11:57 |
| wonderful | Mar 08 11:58 | |
| Diablo-D3 | its half to screw customers | Mar 08 11:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | basically | Mar 08 11:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | they've been selling the same G chip for years | Mar 08 11:58 |
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| Diablo-D3 | when N came out, many G chips were just had their PCI IDs changed | Mar 08 11:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | and they were fed a firmware that does N perfectly | Mar 08 11:58 |
| DaemonFC | One thing I like about EL is that AMD supports it so Catalyst always has a module that's known to work | Mar 08 11:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, ever wonder how pre-final spec N devices can be upgraded to N final? | Mar 08 11:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | its because _the entire chip_ is in that firmware blob. | Mar 08 11:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | if anyone figures out how to actually upgrade existing G shit to N on chips that can do it, all hell will break loose | Mar 08 11:59 |
| so the firmware also serves as cripple ware? | Mar 08 11:59 | |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: well | Mar 08 11:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Mar 08 11:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | cripple ware implies they sell two versions at the same time | Mar 08 11:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | they dont | Mar 08 11:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | once N came out, G orders were ceased | Mar 08 12:00 |
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| fab | Mar 08 12:00 | |
| Diablo-D3 | they just kept fabbing the same _chip_ | Mar 08 12:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | just with a new firmware blob in the driver | Mar 08 12:00 |
| DaemonFC | there's no Mono crap in the EL distros | Mar 08 12:00 |
| fabulous! | Mar 08 12:00 | |
| Diablo-D3 | now, in their defense... and there is one | Mar 08 12:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | international laws are so fucked with radio devices that theres tons of shit that they MUST do | Mar 08 12:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | different frequencies, different power outputs, other random shit that has no place in a technical device | Mar 08 12:01 |
| DaemonFC | I looked around all the community RPM sites too | Mar 08 12:01 |
| people with older cards can buy a new card to get the new blob but can't use the new blob with older cards. so efficient! | Mar 08 12:01 | |
| DaemonFC | there's no way to install Mono in RHEL without building it | Mar 08 12:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | its DRM locked down by the law | Mar 08 12:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: basically | Mar 08 12:01 |
| that is typical non free software forced hardware churn | Mar 08 12:02 | |
| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: Nice. Back to Fedora though, how do I prevent proprietary firmware from installing? | Mar 08 12:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: yes. | Mar 08 12:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: now, its actually _not_ an issue. | Mar 08 12:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: the issue is they wont give the blobs out | Mar 08 12:02 |
| DaemonFC | not sure you can | Mar 08 12:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | and sometimes threaten to sue Linux distros for distributing them | Mar 08 12:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | guess what happens when they do that | Mar 08 12:02 |
| DaemonFC | you can take it out after the fact through Packagekit | Mar 08 12:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | people stop buying them | Mar 08 12:02 |
| I try not to buy them. | Mar 08 12:03 | |
| DaemonFC | search firmware and start seeing what you can get rid of | Mar 08 12:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | now, not all companies are utter dicks | Mar 08 12:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | Intel wifi chips work out of the box in linux | Mar 08 12:03 |
| Broadcom has a particularly well deserved bad name. | Mar 08 12:03 | |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo-D3 & Twitter: Damn, Bill C-32 in Canada would defintely open up a can of worms greater than I originally thought | Mar 08 12:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: broadcom is fucked because their chips suck | Mar 08 12:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: everything else is secondary | Mar 08 12:03 |
| Intel graphics supposedly suck but software freedom makes them wonderful to me. | Mar 08 12:04 | |
| freedom is primary | Mar 08 12:04 | |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: I dont care if tommorow broadcom shit out free 100% open source for every single chip | Mar 08 12:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wont buy broadcom | Mar 08 12:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: btw, no | Mar 08 12:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | Intel is trying to buy customers | Mar 08 12:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | and their shit wont work on me | Mar 08 12:04 |
| works for me | Mar 08 12:04 | |
| Diablo-D3 | then you're an idiot | Mar 08 12:05 |
| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: I assume they make the licences clear? | Mar 08 12:05 |
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| Diablo-D3 | Intel is trying to buy themselves a good name in the free software community | Mar 08 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Mar 08 12:05 |
| I'd buy their graphics chipsets as external cards for other computers if I could | Mar 08 12:05 | |
| DaemonFC | everything in Fedora specifies the license | Mar 08 12:05 |
| I like things that work. | Mar 08 12:05 | |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: why, with their shitty linux support? | Mar 08 12:05 |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo-D3: Their support is fine | Mar 08 12:05 |
| MinceR | "shitty" as in it works, unlike all the others? | Mar 08 12:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ask any Mesa/Gallium/X dev | Mar 08 12:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | their code sucks | Mar 08 12:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only time an intel card works is when they throw the intel code out and do it themselves | Mar 08 12:06 |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo-D3: And we aren't all sheep, we aren't dumping money for Sandy Bridge any time soon | Mar 08 12:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | nothing Intel has ever submitted to anyone has ever worked right. | Mar 08 12:06 |
| MinceR | ask them if KMS works with the official drivers for the other manufacturers :> | Mar 08 12:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: it doesnt. | Mar 08 12:06 |
| it might suck, but it's free. non free code from other makers may suck even more. | Mar 08 12:06 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1104_radeon&num=2 | Mar 08 12:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | not on any intel's own driver. | Mar 08 12:06 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: then i must be imagining things | Mar 08 12:06 |
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| Diablo-D3 | it only works on intel drivers X wrote themselves. | Mar 08 12:06 |
| DaemonFC | The open source Radeon driver performance has doubled in the last 6 months | Mar 08 12:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | intel is trying to take credit on someone else's work | Mar 08 12:06 |
| DaemonFC | still way lower than Catalyst | Mar 08 12:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | otoh, AMD has spent millions on their open source effort | Mar 08 12:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | programming manuals, paying mesa/gallium/X devs, etc | Mar 08 12:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | Intel has done none of this. | Mar 08 12:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | Intel can go fuck themselves | Mar 08 12:08 |
| MinceR | ah, the old "it cost a lot so it must be good" argument | Mar 08 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | they spent millions to acheve half the performance of FGLRX? | Mar 08 12:08 |
| MinceR | i've even heard that about m$ visual java | Mar 08 12:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: no, the "doing the right thing" argument | Mar 08 12:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | where the fuck is Intel's programming manuals? whos salaries are they paying? | Mar 08 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | I concede that they did do some things right in radeon that have been fucked for years in FGLRX | Mar 08 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | but it is SLOW | Mar 08 12:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | All they do is hand out broken code that no one wants and try to get the PR for it | Mar 08 12:08 |
| MinceR | where the fuck are amd's working, well performing free software GPU drivers? | Mar 08 12:08 |
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| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: where are intel's? | Mar 08 12:09 |
| sebsebseb | Hi | Mar 08 12:09 |
| MinceR | right in the kernel tree | Mar 08 12:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: nope. | Mar 08 12:09 |
| MinceR | hay sebsebseb | Mar 08 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | where are Intels GPUs? | Mar 08 12:09 |
| on my laptops | Mar 08 12:09 | |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: there are no drivers in the kernel. | Mar 08 12:09 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: hay | Mar 08 12:09 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: on mainboards and in cpus | Mar 08 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | perhaps I can go buy one | Mar 08 12:09 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: HI | Mar 08 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | and plug it into my motherboard | Mar 08 12:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: KMS and DRM are in the kernel, thats just _part_ of the driver. | Mar 08 12:09 |
| sebsebseb | who's GoForbes28 ? | Mar 08 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | do they have hardware T&L yet or are they still in 2002? | Mar 08 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Mar 08 12:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: how do you do GLSL shaders without Gallium's GLSL shader being complete? | Mar 08 12:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: the radeon driver is the most feature complete driver in mesa/gallium/X atm. | Mar 08 12:10 |
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| MinceR | i'll tell you wen i start caring | Mar 08 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | their GLSL is broken and missing lots of features | Mar 08 12:10 |
| MinceR | s/we/whe/ | Mar 08 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | but it beats the classic Mesa drivers | Mar 08 12:10 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: I'm the guy who showed up and up and decided to edit and contribute to some of Roy's articles. | Mar 08 12:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | then dont ask the question if you dont like the answer. | Mar 08 12:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | radeon is more supported by foss than anything else. | Mar 08 12:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | gallium exists because of AMD's efforts. | Mar 08 12:10 |
| MinceR | i'm not the one asking the question here | Mar 08 12:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | [03:08:38] <MinceR> where the fuck are amd's working, well performing free software GPU drivers? | Mar 08 12:11 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: oh? | Mar 08 12:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | you asked. they're front row and center on Linux. | Mar 08 12:11 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: doesn't mean much to me, I don't tend to bother reading his blog enteries | Mar 08 12:11 |
| MinceR | that's not what i hear from everyone else | Mar 08 12:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: everyone else is a fucking nvidia fan | Mar 08 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: They're good enough for a workstation | Mar 08 12:11 |
| MinceR | right | Mar 08 12:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | and if I hear one more fucking asshole say nvidia has better linux support, Im going to castrate them | Mar 08 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | that's all the better they'll get too | Mar 08 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | (RHEL) | Mar 08 12:11 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: everyone else is driving on the wrong side of the road! | Mar 08 12:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: so you support closed source pro-Windows companies now? | Mar 08 12:12 |
| MinceR | i don't | Mar 08 12:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | then why back them up | Mar 08 12:12 |
| MinceR | i'm not backing them up, i'm backing the facts up | Mar 08 12:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only people saying radeon's foss drivers suck are people who dont care about freedom | Mar 08 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I doubt Red Hat really has a fire lit under their ass to get free video drivers | Mar 08 12:12 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia and AMD already officially support RHEL | Mar 08 12:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | the radeon driver is the most feature complete X/gallium driver. | Mar 08 12:12 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: I wasn't trying to pontificate, I just told you the truth | Mar 08 12:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | not intel. | Mar 08 12:12 |
| MinceR | afaik amd's free drivers underperform their winblows drivers | Mar 08 12:12 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: That is literally my story here | Mar 08 12:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: their closed source ones? not for me, I get higher FPS vs windows. | Mar 08 12:13 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: I am not following you 100% | Mar 08 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Their Windows driver code and FGLRX driver code is largely the same thing | Mar 08 12:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres even a case where I get higher FPS _in wine_ over native windows | Mar 08 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | same with Nvidia | Mar 08 12:13 |
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| MinceR | Diablo-D3: maybe i'm working with outdated info | Mar 08 12:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: you are. you're about a year nehind. | Mar 08 12:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | _all_ drivers sucked a year ago | Mar 08 12:13 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: I'm not sure what you mean. | Mar 08 12:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | it was fglrx or nvidia and that was your two choices | Mar 08 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Think huge blob with a little bit of glue to make it work on Windows and OS X and Linux | Mar 08 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | (FGLRX) | Mar 08 12:14 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: wasn't sure how the remaining parts affect performance | Mar 08 12:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | gallium's glsl driver will be finished sometime this year, and mesa is also going to claim GL3 compatibility soon | Mar 08 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | the FGLRX driver benefits from improvements to the Windows and OS X driver | Mar 08 12:14 |
| MinceR | especially considering that the glue on winblows tends to be nonfree as well | Mar 08 12:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | something two years ago was thought impossible. | Mar 08 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | by virtue of being the same code | Mar 08 12:14 |
| MinceR | so almost nobody knows what's in there | Mar 08 12:14 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: I just meant I wasn't trying to flaut that I editted some of Roy's articles | Mar 08 12:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: and btw, I dont know what DaemonFC said, but yes, if Mesa/Gallium doesnt expose an important extension thats required for performance, performance suffers. | Mar 08 12:15 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: FGLRX and Catalyst for Windows lately are on par with each other | Mar 08 12:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: the biggest issue was the native shader compiler which is required by all modern GPUs no matter the manuf | Mar 08 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's one of those +/- 5% deals | Mar 08 12:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: ie, anything with a "unified shader" | Mar 08 12:15 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: by "remaining parts" i meant the parts of the driver that isn't common between winblows and linux | Mar 08 12:15 |
| MinceR | s/isn/aren/ | Mar 08 12:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | there are no remaining parts then | Mar 08 12:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | everything is a software program running on a GPU. | Mar 08 12:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | _everything_ | Mar 08 12:16 |
| MinceR | there's still code you need to get the OS to load that stuff into the GPU | Mar 08 12:16 |
| MinceR | and code that talks to the GPU | Mar 08 12:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | yup, and its nearly identical | Mar 08 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | the lack of KMS support is really the only glaring technical limitation of FGLRX at this point | Mar 08 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | aside from a few bugs here and there | Mar 08 12:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres exactly one way to do this correctly | Mar 08 12:17 |
| rms points to this http://www.counterpunch.org/sommers02282011.html | Mar 08 12:17 | |
| Diablo-D3 | the biggest change in the X/Mesa/Gallium stack is to actually do it correctly | Mar 08 12:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | infact, Gallium is so well written that Microsoft mostly copied it for their 7/DX11 driver stack. | Mar 08 12:17 |
| if you have software freedom, you can fix things. if you don't you can't | Mar 08 12:18 | |
| Diablo-D3 | Exactly, and AMD clearly has come out in support of software freedom | Mar 08 12:18 |
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| Diablo-D3 | in their words, "we dont write software, we're not a software company, we'll have the people who are experts at it write it for Linux" | Mar 08 12:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I salute them | Mar 08 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: There's a few things I really wish I could use that the free drivers have | Mar 08 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | but I can't justify cutting my overall performance in half to get those | Mar 08 12:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | The only alternative to AMD? Nvidia unofficially threatened to sue the the Novaeu developers early on. | Mar 08 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia is generally hostile to free software | Mar 08 12:19 |
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| DaemonFC | the only reason the support Linux in any capacity is due to RHEL and SLE | Mar 08 12:20 |
| GoForbes28 | Of course, Noveau also uses proprietary firmware, so that's out | Mar 08 12:20 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: so the free driver is still half as fast as fglrx? | Mar 08 12:20 |
| DaemonFC | everyone else is a free beta tester | Mar 08 12:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: nvidia's is thin and ... well, badly documented. | Mar 08 12:20 |
| MinceR | GoForbes28: i thought they couldn't do that | Mar 08 12:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: not because fglrx is better code, the free driver is missing some things still | Mar 08 12:20 |
| GoForbes28 | Couldn't use proprietary firmware? Well, they do for 3D acceleration | Mar 08 12:20 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Yes, Mesa 7.10 is twice as fast as 7.9 with r600g | Mar 08 12:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: if you tell the software that moronix benchmarks to use the same code paths on both radeon and fglrx, they're more similar in speed | Mar 08 12:21 |
| GoForbes28 | Remove the blob, say bye-bye to 3d support in noveau | Mar 08 12:21 |
| DaemonFC | 7.9 was therefore more like 25% of the speed of FGLRX | Mar 08 12:21 |
| DaemonFC | not bad for a few months work I guess | Mar 08 12:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, novaeu has a very minimal impl of that firmware for 2D support | Mar 08 12:21 |
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| Diablo-D3 | nvidia wrote it for the nv driver before they stopped support of it | Mar 08 12:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | also, btw, re radeon's atombios | Mar 08 12:21 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia doesn't have a case to sue over Nouveau | Mar 08 12:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | AMD wants that whole part of the firmware to be able to be built free | Mar 08 12:22 |
| DaemonFC | there's no Nvidia source code in it except what was already in NV | Mar 08 12:22 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure the lawyers told them that | Mar 08 12:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | atombios is what translates driver commands into the native internal radeon stack | Mar 08 12:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | its basically the software for the command processor in the gpu | Mar 08 12:22 |
| DaemonFC | yes, but the registers are all documented too | Mar 08 12:22 |
| DaemonFC | there's no reason other than time consumption why radeon couldn't use that | Mar 08 12:23 |
| DaemonFC | like radeonhd was doing | Mar 08 12:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | like half the programming manual's hardware API chapters detail how to use the atombios interface | Mar 08 12:23 |
| GoForbes28 | Funny that if this firmware is so well documented, why it couldn't be reverse engineered | Mar 08 12:23 |
| DaemonFC | the atombios is supposedly a superset each generation of hardware | Mar 08 12:23 |
| DaemonFC | so the support you already have for the last batch of cards is still there | Mar 08 12:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: read above where I said AMD wants it to be free software and provided by the driver | Mar 08 12:23 |
| DaemonFC | AtomBIOS is just a convenience for the programmer | Mar 08 12:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | basically AMD wants X/Gallium to provide a more optimized version that does what they want instead of what AMD chose for their Windows driver | Mar 08 12:24 |
| DaemonFC | which I'm all for | Mar 08 12:24 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather have useful drivers this year than 2 years from now | Mar 08 12:24 |
| GoForbes28 | AMD wants it to be, fine. | Mar 08 12:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | What AMD wants, AMD gets. And we're all the better for it. | Mar 08 12:24 |
| GoForbes28 | Why ISN'T it? | Mar 08 12:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Oracle Mobilizes Inventory Management (CIO): http://bit.ly/e2SGyl | Mar 08 12:25 | |
| Diablo-D3 | Not sure | Mar 08 12:25 |
| DaemonFC | well half the speed of Catalyst is a lot better than nothing | Mar 08 12:25 |
| DaemonFC | which is what Evergreen users had 8 months ago | Mar 08 12:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | probably because the driver isnt finished yet and its not a high priority | Mar 08 12:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | most likely AMD's impl is the most efficient | Mar 08 12:25 |
| GoForbes28 | uh huh | Mar 08 12:25 |
| DaemonFC | if you want the best battery life, use radeon, not FGLRX | Mar 08 12:25 |
| DaemonFC | I think that's a given | Mar 08 12:26 |
| DaemonFC | (and enable dynamic power management) | Mar 08 12:26 |
| GoForbes28 | brb | Mar 08 12:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a really tiny blob | Mar 08 12:26 |
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| a tiny prick | Mar 08 12:28 | |
| wasn't rape, she hardly noticed | Mar 08 12:29 | |
| http://www.theage.com.au/environment/conservation/the-gulf-oil-spills-toxic-legacy-20110225-1b8mz.html | Mar 08 12:29 | |
| MinceR | if she hardly notices, you're doing it wrong | Mar 08 12:29 |
| MinceR | ;) | Mar 08 12:29 |
| it's more a matter of consent, I think | Mar 08 12:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] OpenText acquires mobile development vendor WeComm (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/fq3NUY | Mar 08 12:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 'Bullied' #police to stage protests over pay cuts - http://bit.ly/idFsWg I have only one thing to say to this: "kettling" | Mar 08 12:31 | |
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| sebsebseb | hmm so Schestwotiz is away right, but | Mar 08 12:33 |
| sebsebseb | who's running the bots then? | Mar 08 12:33 |
| lol, kettling police to be kettled | Mar 08 12:33 | |
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| AdmFubar_ | hi all | Mar 08 12:34 |
| AdmFubar_ | are the rss feeds working ok? | Mar 08 12:34 |
| Police man's lament, "I smashed a communist with my night stick and did not care because I was not a communist ... " | Mar 08 12:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @glynmoody: 'Bullied' #police to stage protests over pay cuts - http://bit.ly/idFsWg I have only one thing to say to this: "kettling" | Mar 08 12:35 | |
| no sure Fubar, I've seen a lot of little red x errors over feeds for the past couple of days | Mar 08 12:35 | |
| AdmFubar_ | i stopped getting updated feeds yesterday.. | Mar 08 12:35 |
| AdmFubar_ | kind odd that there is such a lull from here! :O | Mar 08 12:36 |
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| there's nothing new since the Vaporware article that I can see | Mar 08 12:36 | |
| AdmFubar_ | yeah that was the last item i got.. | Mar 08 12:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @jospoortvliet ♻ @micu: Why #Nokia Hasn’t Ditched #MeeGo is.gd/VbSz06 #Microsoft #Windows !linux !kde !gnome | Mar 08 12:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Protesters securing secret documents throughout #Egypt as State Security tries to shred, burn, destroy evidence https://eff.org/r.3z4 | Mar 08 12:38 | |
| GoForbes28 | wow, that was a painful experience | Mar 08 12:38 |
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| GoForbes28 | Trying to reconnect to the IRC, that is | Mar 08 12:39 |
| AdmFubar_ | well i'll keep looking for new feeds, laters all | Mar 08 12:39 |
| GoForbes28 | see ya | Mar 08 12:39 |
| GoForbes28 | so where were we? | Mar 08 12:39 |
| GoForbes28 | Ah yes | Mar 08 12:39 |
| GoForbes28 | We were talking about blobs | Mar 08 12:39 |
| GoForbes28 | or blags | Mar 08 12:39 |
| GoForbes28 | or blowholes | Mar 08 12:39 |
| GoForbes28 | I can't remember | Mar 08 12:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Learning to Love the (Shallow, Divisive, Unreliable) New Media (The Atlantic): http://bit.ly/h4u8ZY | Mar 08 12:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Democrats roll out #climate change big guns, Republicans remain immune - http://bit.ly/idXz12 breathtaking arrogance by non-scientists | Mar 08 12:40 | |
| GoForbes28 | anywho | Mar 08 12:40 |
| GoForbes28 | As far as I can tell, the drivers for the GMA HD, Core iX processors work fine, or at least adequately | Mar 08 12:41 |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo-D3: Was it you who said these drivers were "ripped off" from FGLRX? | Mar 08 12:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Mar 08 12:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: no one said that. | Mar 08 12:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | I said Intel tried to take credit on all the hard work the X/Mesa/Gallium developers have done. | Mar 08 12:43 |
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| Diablo-D3 | And the work that, basically, AMD has paid at least some for. | Mar 08 12:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] NPR exec, I mean, a hero calls a Tea Party racist; naturally the Tea Party has a problem with the truth http://ur1.ca/3fchu | Mar 08 12:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Fearing iTunes-Like Domination, #Hollywood Plots Netflix’s Downfall - http://bit.ly/dSlRrn yeah, must destroy anything new that succeeds... | Mar 08 12:43 | |
| Diablo-D3 | Remember, those magical Intel drivers use the same KMS, DRM, DRI, Gallium, Mesa, and X all the other modern FOSS drivers do | Mar 08 12:43 |
| GoForbes28 | Well that's fine with me | Mar 08 12:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @planetfedora: Ryan Rix: Something you can't have a beef with: in case you haven't noticed, his holiness's followe... http://bit.ly/gHBc4H | Mar 08 12:45 | |
| GoForbes28 | The taking credit part is rather dickish, but if Intel utilizes modern Free software technologies, then there's not really a problem is there? | Mar 08 12:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, there isnt | Mar 08 12:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | notice I put Intel on the list ahead of nvidia, which is waaaaaaaAAaaaAAAaaaAAAaaAAaaAAaay at the bottom | Mar 08 12:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | but the gap between AMD and Intel is similarly huge | Mar 08 12:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | Intel doesnt support FOSS, they just use it. | Mar 08 12:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | AMD supports it, and Nvidia is Microsoft's lackey. | Mar 08 12:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats about the jist of things | Mar 08 12:46 |
| GoForbes28 | Well, we know that Intel has ulterior motives, that's been proven time and time again | Mar 08 12:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] State of Play: Public Sector Information in the United States - http://bit.ly/enFVRg useful to have #opendata #publicsector | Mar 08 12:46 | |
| GoForbes28 | at the same time, if they release adequate, totally Free software drivers, we can't really fault them | Mar 08 12:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | but _they_ dont release them | Mar 08 12:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | they try to claim the drivers they released (which are foss) are the same ones that users eventually use | Mar 08 12:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | and its not true | Mar 08 12:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres been several instances where FOSS devs just used their drivers as a form of documentation and rewrote them from the ground up | Mar 08 12:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Fox Sends DMCA Takedown To #Google To Remove Link To DMCA Takedown Sent By Fox - http://bit.ly/fM0iN7 "Ah, meta #DMCA takedowns." | Mar 08 12:48 | |
| GoForbes28 | Ok, were the rewritten drivers good? | Mar 08 12:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | Yes, very. | Mar 08 12:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | Well, from what Ive heard anyways | Mar 08 12:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | its almost as well done as the radeon driver | Mar 08 12:49 |
| GoForbes28 | so the end result is quality drivers that are totally free | Mar 08 12:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] @fabsh The whole idea is that you can still have the implementation in a more robust and cross-desktop way. Its not about the visualization! | Mar 08 12:50 | |
| GoForbes28 | as I said before, no one is defending Intel here | Mar 08 12:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: yes, but the end result is AMD paying for the driver stack Intel is using | Mar 08 12:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | and AMD is totally aware of it and doesnt care | Mar 08 12:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | they truly understand FOSS | Mar 08 12:50 |
| GoForbes28 | I may have bought a GMA HD, but never because of Intel's "unquestionable support" of Free software | Mar 08 12:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im waiting for Microsoft to try to buy AMD or something | Mar 08 12:50 |
| GoForbes28 | I bought it because there were totally Free drivers available, period. | Mar 08 12:51 |
| GoForbes28 | Along with some other technical reasons, but that's another thing entirely | Mar 08 12:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, the large issue for Intel now is | Mar 08 12:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] @fabsh We've 2 Starbucks in town, both have drive-thrus—one is >7km from me. Drive-in burger places are popular too.Drive-thru nation indeed | Mar 08 12:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Billions of dead fish invade Redondo's King Harbor Marina - http://bit.ly/g0xx0o perfectly normal natural cycle - probably just the weather | Mar 08 12:51 | |
| Diablo-D3 | a) they dont sell them as video cards | Mar 08 12:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | b) THEY ARE AS SLOW AS FUCK | Mar 08 12:51 |
| GoForbes28 | Microsoft buying AMD? Microsoft isn't in the position to buy a banana from a supermarket | Mar 08 12:52 |
| GoForbes28 | Slow as F**k? compared to what? | Mar 08 12:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | anything else that does 3D. | Mar 08 12:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | Intel is really behind the curve | Mar 08 12:52 |
| GoForbes28 | I've run Left 4 Dead on whatever settings it uses, and it was smooth and fast | Mar 08 12:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | their new GMA HD 2/3 chips are the first ones to be able to run OpenCL, for one | Mar 08 12:53 |
| GoForbes28 | Yeah, if I turned up everything to maximum then probably there would be problems | Mar 08 12:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it wasnt until GMA 4 that they could decode blurays | Mar 08 12:53 |
| GoForbes28 | but I'm coming from a Radeon 9000 Pro | Mar 08 12:53 |
| GoForbes28 | I don't and will never use bluray | Mar 08 12:53 |
| GoForbes28 | So I don't care | Mar 08 12:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | by bluray, I mean high bandwidth high profile h264 of a certain resolution | Mar 08 12:53 |
| GoForbes28 | Yeah, the GMA HD doesn't equal a full-fledged graphics card | Mar 08 12:54 |
| GoForbes28 | but it gives me the performance I demand | Mar 08 12:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | its about where AMD's northbridge gpus and Fusion gpus are. | Mar 08 12:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is kind of pathetic | Mar 08 12:54 |
| GoForbes28 | I don't need an overperforming (for me) graphics card in a laptop adding weight and heat | Mar 08 12:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, thats fine for a laptop | Mar 08 12:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Climbing over FarmVille, Messenger now #2 Facebook app - http://bit.ly/e4nMJi "The love affair of Ballmer & Zuckerberg continues unabated" | Mar 08 12:55 | |
| Diablo-D3 | but I'd still buy a fusion laptop before a... mac or whatever | Mar 08 12:55 |
| GoForbes28 | fusion being what again? | Mar 08 12:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | they moved the radeon cores into the cpu die, so they're htx native cores | Mar 08 12:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | you end up with an 18w chipset that outperforms intel's newest atom generation in everything | Mar 08 12:56 |
| GoForbes28 | Which would matter to me when I buy a netbook | Mar 08 12:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | flat out speed, it does h264 decoding and atom doesnt, it does opencl and atom doesnt | Mar 08 12:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: nope, it gets better | Mar 08 12:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | its so fast, its also as fast as Intel's low end laptop cpus | Mar 08 12:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The United States of Charlie Sheen - http://bit.ly/hQ9WyW wonderful, witty post #economics | Mar 08 12:56 | |
| Diablo-D3 | at half the watts | Mar 08 12:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | it just completely screw Intel over | Mar 08 12:57 |
| GoForbes28 | Driver support is the key here though | Mar 08 12:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | driver support existed basically 2 years before the chip did | Mar 08 12:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, 1.5 years | Mar 08 12:57 |
| GoForbes28 | ook | Mar 08 12:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | the radeon cores are basically generic radeon 5xxx cores | Mar 08 12:57 |
| GoForbes28 | are there totally Free drivers available? | Mar 08 12:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | they just had to handle some niggling shit and add PCI IDs | Mar 08 12:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, but its not out of trunk yet | Mar 08 12:57 |
| GoForbes28 | no firmware blobs whatsoever? | Mar 08 12:58 |
| GoForbes28 | proprietary, that is? | Mar 08 12:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, uses the existing ones iirc | Mar 08 12:58 |
| GoForbes28 | Then I won't get it | Mar 08 12:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] @fabsh We've 2 Starbucks in town, both have drive-thrus—one is <7km from me. Drive-in burger places are popular too.Drive-thru nation indeed | Mar 08 12:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] Obama's 180 on #gitmo is his biggest failure: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/07/AR2011030704871.html | Mar 08 12:58 | |
| GoForbes28 | I'm serious about this | Mar 08 12:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: like I said, radeons dont have real firmware blobs. | Mar 08 12:58 |
| GoForbes28 | but it is enough for it not to work with Linux libre or distro like Trisquel | Mar 08 12:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres no reason for the radeon driver not to already use it's own other than the devs are busy as hell | Mar 08 12:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: works on debian | Mar 08 12:59 |
| GoForbes28 | Once you install the firmware... | Mar 08 12:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, but I dont think radeon is in the nonfree firmware package | Mar 08 12:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | but I could be wrong | Mar 08 12:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Second half starts. 1 - 0 to !barca !football | Mar 08 13:00 | |
| GoForbes28 | I have to go for class, may bbl | Mar 08 13:00 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Massive Research Report On 'Piracy' In Emerging Economies; Debunks Entire Foundation Of US Foreign IP Policy - http://bit.ly/gHIStI | Mar 08 13:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I approve. ♺ @biglesp: drinking rum ...that is all. !lo | Mar 08 13:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @lamm Starbucks are all in inner-city areas w/o drive-throughs in Germany or I would go there. Can't park close to the ones in Bonn though. | Mar 08 13:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Shite! Nobody likes to see that! !barca !football | Mar 08 13:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @rrix I don't care about cross-desktop. I only run one desktop. So do 95% of users. | Mar 08 13:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @lamm I have 3 Starbucks in < 1km from me. Great on foot, sucks if you're in a car. | Mar 08 13:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Red card Persie #sweet :) !barca | Mar 08 13:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] @fabsh and for those who run kde apps on gnome or the other way around? | Mar 08 13:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] @fabsh more people do that than you realize. | Mar 08 13:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @rrix I know that people do that. The KDE apps I've used on Gnome all worked well as far as tray icons were concerned. | Mar 08 13:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @rrix Of course, the theming of the windows is horrible..... | Mar 08 13:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] slogan idea: I find your lack of FaiF #disturbing | Mar 08 13:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] News Corp Backs Digital #Music Alternative - http://on.mash.to/ht5xhY intriguing, but I don't quite get the business model here | Mar 08 13:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] <3 ♺ @psquid: First stop on my sightseeing tour of the !lo !minecraft server: a Nuclear Chicken! http://i.imgur.com/5T5fO.png | Mar 08 13:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Arsenal are fowling bastards. That is all !barca | Mar 08 13:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @biglesp: just one more rum, its a school night !lo | Mar 08 13:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Pure genius: Charlie Brooker iPad 2 http://outl.ws/dLuOBz | Mar 08 13:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Goooooaaaaallllll !barca !football | Mar 08 13:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "We are now a species that applauds cables." | Mar 08 13:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "Apparently not everyone is seeing the iPad as the shit miracle it is." | Mar 08 13:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "You'll be entering skeleton mode..." | Mar 08 13:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Installing Fedora 15 Alpha on my netbook. Let's see how GNOME Shell works on my Eee PC 701. | Mar 08 13:23 | |
| DaemonFC | I tried out GNOME Shell | Mar 08 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | it didn't end up being far off from the picture of "GNOME 3" on Uncyclopedia | Mar 08 13:24 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: was it the latest version? | Mar 08 13:24 |
| DaemonFC | http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060111175314/uncyclopedia/images/4/48/Next-gnome.png | Mar 08 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Mar 08 13:25 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: i'll upgrade to KDE 4.6.1 in PC Linux OS, later | Mar 08 13:25 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: ok just seen that image | Mar 08 13:25 |
| sebsebseb | so basically your saying, that you had issues? | Mar 08 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | I'm saying they even got rid of the appearance settings | Mar 08 13:26 |
| DaemonFC | at least from what I could tell, all you can do is change the wallpaper | Mar 08 13:26 |
| sebsebseb | uhmm | Mar 08 13:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @psquid: Second stop on my sightseeing tour of the !lo !minecraft server: a big-ass wall, with a stairway! http://i.imgur.com/EWL5P.png | Mar 08 13:26 | |
| sebsebseb | there's a new program | Mar 08 13:26 |
| sebsebseb | for changing wall papers and stuff like that | Mar 08 13:26 |
| MinceR | is it called gconf-editor? | Mar 08 13:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] RT @glynmoody 'Bullied' #police to stage protests over pay cuts - http://bit.ly/idFsWg I have only one thing to say to this: "kettling" | Mar 08 13:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] RT @glynmoody State of Play: Public Sector Information in the United States - http://bit.ly/enFVRg useful to have #opendata #publicsector | Mar 08 13:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Yay! #Tenn. #Teachers Join Battle Against Anti-Union Bills http://n.pr/fE0iF0 #Nashville #TN | Mar 08 13:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] RT @glynmoody Fearing iTunes-Like Domination, #Hollywood Plots Netflix’s Downfall - http://bit.ly/dSlRrn yeah, must destroy anything new ... | Mar 08 13:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] RT @glynmoody James Bond in Drag For International Women’s Day - http://bit.ly/dNal6t nicely done... #iwd | Mar 08 13:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] On comes Bender. To little too late. | Mar 08 13:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] FUCK ME! Oo ♺ @psquid: behind the wall. Really awesome! http://i.imgur.com | Mar 08 13:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pmctechblog/@pmctechblog] Will !Unity or !Gnome 3.0 be able to do video or live backgrounds easier than Gnome 2? !ubuntu !linux | Mar 08 13:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Afellay comes on just chuckle at the gooner performance. !football !barca | Mar 08 13:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] RT @mv Wis. Republicans Flee Public Meeting Filled with Supporters of Public Employees http://bit.ly/dWsqQ7 !wisconsin !ilm !a http://ur ... | Mar 08 13:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @psquid: Third stop on my sightseeing tour of the #lo #minecraft server: Some big, bad bones. http://imgur.com/Cjym3 | Mar 08 13:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @psquid: Fourth stop on my sightseeing tour of the #lo #minecraft server: a sky-ship dock! http://i.imgur.com/ErIbD.png | Mar 08 13:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !barca win !football | Mar 08 13:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] RT @rms US Uncut Protests http://ur1.ca/3fcrc | Mar 08 13:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] wouldn't be a successful govt bailout if it didn't allow for obscene bonuses to be paid for failing http://tighturl.com/2zq1 #bankers | Mar 08 13:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] WOW!!! ♺ @psquid: Fifth stop on my sightseeing tour of the !lo !minecraft server: sunrise, and a skull. http://imgur.com/GWOB1 | Mar 08 13:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Wenger accepts ref's decisions, fair game....what? He's complaining again? Can't be. Complaining is just not like him | Mar 08 13:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ex-Daily Star reporter now being harassed http://tighturl.com/2zq2 source suspected to be his former employers | Mar 08 14:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] so we can assume the usual abuse of powers by the papers with lots of front page exposes destroying his career | Mar 08 14:01 | |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 08 14:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Better than the damn hotdog: http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/sheepyshenannigans.png | Mar 08 14:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] will the #Met do a better job of investigating phone hacking this time? wouldn't hold my breath | Mar 08 14:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Economic Cyberwar: The New Security Mandate - http://bit.ly/fdCGDt deeply flawed piece confusing "IP" & #innovation (v @jjn1) #china | Mar 08 14:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Observations: Short on sleep, brain optimistically favors long odds (SciAmerican): http://bit.ly/fTV3vC | Mar 08 14:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Oh god.... @th3k4ty is digging for lava..... Oo | Mar 08 14:08 | |
| DaemonFC | every once in a while I notice something in GNOME and think that the developer that did this should be shot | Mar 08 14:10 |
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| DaemonFC | that stupid file sharing thing that takes up a good inch of screen real estate in Nautilus that you can't turn off :) | Mar 08 14:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] WebOS game manager for #N900 #Maemo http://is.gd/ol7msa | Mar 08 14:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Such a cute sheep. I really like it! :D http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1744 | Mar 08 14:11 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Reason why I like KDE they normally are too many options. Where Gnome is normally too frew | Mar 08 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | it's nice until they miss the ONE I wanted | Mar 08 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 14:12 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, I agree :) | Mar 08 14:12 |
| oiaohm | Exactly the issue | Mar 08 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | I'll stop using Kubuntu period if Canonical decides it needs to write its own proprietary KDE add ons | Mar 08 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | so far they left it alone | Mar 08 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | in GNOME they broke Bluetooth sharing to enable that stupid Ubuntu One shit | Mar 08 14:13 |
| oiaohm | Canonical decided to simplerfy KDE | Mar 08 14:13 |
| oiaohm | They did not get the idea of KDE at all. | Mar 08 14:13 |
| oiaohm | Ie KDE goal is always to be too many options. | Mar 08 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | KDE is pretty vanilla in Kubuntu | Mar 08 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | Canonical hasn't tried to dive in and botch it | Mar 08 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | yet | Mar 08 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | as long as they only do stupid things to GNOME, fine | Mar 08 14:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh unlike Ubuntu's which have a touch of humours wordplay, that helps a lot to memorize. | Mar 08 14:15 | |
| DaemonFC | brb | Mar 08 14:15 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @fabsh Obstinate Orangutan FTW \o/ | Mar 08 14:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[demuxer/@demuxer] this !cablegate http://rod.gs/gve (originated by 2009) is officially confirmed TODAY http://rod.gs/Zqg !wikileaks !Guatemala | Mar 08 14:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh heh, me... I'm a number person. It's easier for me to memorize Ubuntu 11.4 than Natty nwhat? Same for Fedora :) | Mar 08 14:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh @ruiseabra Felicia was the worst ever | Mar 08 14:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Senators tell Biden to push Russia into antipiracy - http://cnet.co/h6V46y let's hope #Russia tells Biden where to push *that* idea... | Mar 08 14:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Wishes people would just have more fun and enjoy the @beefymiracle . No one has fun in !fedora any more. | Mar 08 14:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Imaginary Foundation just released a collaborative tshirt for Larry @Lessig's REMIX. Check it out! http://bit.ly/f8tWnU | Mar 08 14:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] damn, the new #MortalKombat does look kinda tasty http://tighturl.com/2zq6 | Mar 08 14:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: Chromify-OSD adds GMail support http://goo.gl/FJNqb !chromium | Mar 08 14:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] sloppy #Slashdot linkbait again involving #Android http://tighturl.com/2zq7 | Mar 08 14:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] The xf86-video-chrome Driver Is Now "Stable": The xf86-video-chrome driver, which is the open-source VIA Linux X... http://bit.ly/eAScen | Mar 08 14:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh @quaid Well maybe new community members. Though not me. I don't even know the codenames. It's just F14 to me, | Mar 08 14:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #FTC starts looking at the #Patent #Troll problem http://tighturl.com/2zq8 | Mar 08 14:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] new report debunking the entire foundation of US foreign IP policy http://tighturl.com/2zq9 #awesome | Mar 08 14:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh I'm not familiar enough with RPMs yet to start on alphas. I might go for the beta, but enjoying the change form Ubuntu to Debian now | Mar 08 14:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @thistleweb: @nybill whatever the project is, ya have to use a #Discworld naming scheme, ya just gots ta, it's ripe for the pluckin' | Mar 08 14:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Robert Ancell: And now for some good news: GTK3, GNOME Shell/Unity, GObject Introspection, Vala http://goo.gl/DdwLE | Mar 08 15:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Catching up with email. Feeling bad that I've neglected stuff from @bkuhn and !BUSC so long... :/ | Mar 08 15:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] KB days – second edition. March towards Firefox 4 http://bit.ly/hedSI3 | Mar 08 15:05 | |
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| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I don't recall that Phoronix guy saying whether he had vsync on or off | Mar 08 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | you should use driconf to force it off globally as it is a huge bottleneck for the readon drivers | Mar 08 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | KWin compositing will go from choppy to smooth as silk by flipping vsync off | Mar 08 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | the whole point of vsync is to match the vertical refresh rate, not make the framerate slower | Mar 08 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | this is one part where the driver needs a lot of work | Mar 08 15:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Discworld seems like just hollow fiction on the surface, but there's themes and layers in each novel that go much deeper | Mar 08 15:10 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: really a evil evil cheat is missing. | Mar 08 15:11 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Nvidia drivers contain a nice little cheat where the render fully the frames required for a vsync | Mar 08 15:12 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: but not the frames not required. | Mar 08 15:12 |
| oiaohm | Ie DaemonFC frames not require for a vsync are only part rendered. | Mar 08 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | only enough for the driver to decide whether it needs it or not | Mar 08 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | FGLRX does the same thing lately | Mar 08 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | ever since they introduced their new 2d acceleration architecture | Mar 08 15:14 |
| oiaohm | Open source drivers don't have that yet. | Mar 08 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | it blows the old one out of the water, though it's not DRI 2 | Mar 08 15:14 |
| oiaohm | Of course the first stage is being able to track and cap to vsync. | Mar 08 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | DRI2 drivers all render 2d stuff faster than ATI | Mar 08 15:14 |
| oiaohm | And Nvidia | Mar 08 15:14 |
| oiaohm | Closed source drivers are not known for there 2d rendering speed. | Mar 08 15:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] Red Hat and the GPL http://lwn.net/Articles/432012/rss | Mar 08 15:15 | |
| DaemonFC | FGLRX's old 2d acceleration code was so bad that you'd try to avoid doing simple things like a window resize | Mar 08 15:15 |
| oiaohm | Except on windows where they are quite decent at 2d | Mar 08 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | at least that's not the case now | Mar 08 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | I think I noticed at one point that VESA actually resized windows smoother than the old FGLRX 2d | Mar 08 15:16 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 15:16 |
| oiaohm | Even on the 2d side | Mar 08 15:16 |
| oiaohm | X11 servers have not been designed todo that in the GPU. | Mar 08 15:17 |
| oiaohm | Ie too much shipping between cpu ram and video card ram in 2d modes. | Mar 08 15:17 |
| oiaohm | Being worked on of course so 2d under open source drivers is going to get faster yet. | Mar 08 15:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @themadhatter I love Otto, the idea of a black ribboner vampire who turns to dust when the flash goes off, working as the press photographer | Mar 08 15:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] Hi @lostnbronx! | Mar 08 15:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@glynmoody: Massive Research Report On 'Piracy' In Emerging Economies Debunks Entire Foundation Of US Foreign IP Policyhttp://bit.ly/gHIStI | Mar 08 15:21 | |
| oiaohm | Also stupidly Intel video card drivers managed to use less cpu time playing back videos than Nvidia. | Mar 08 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | what's the difference between direct and indirect rendering? | Mar 08 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | is one faster? | Mar 08 15:23 |
| oiaohm | direct is normally faster. | Mar 08 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | KDE prefers direct, but Compiz and mutter both default to indirect | Mar 08 15:24 |
| oiaohm | Also wine hates indirect | Mar 08 15:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @popey: Yay! http://twitpic.com/47lnli #census #noreligion | Mar 08 15:25 | |
| oiaohm | Issue with indirect is some middle man is playing with the data you are sending to video card. | Mar 08 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | is this why Wine acts up more under Compiz than KWin? | Mar 08 15:25 |
| oiaohm | Wine will mess up under both. | Mar 08 15:25 |
| oiaohm | kwin is fine if you have dri2 drivers with wine. | Mar 08 15:26 |
| oiaohm | Dri1 issue wine digs out over and over again. Ie the 1 applicaiton using opengl only rule of dri1. | Mar 08 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I noticed FGLRX is faster than free ati drivers in Wine, but it often leads to texture corruptions that don't happen with the free driver | Mar 08 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | so some games end up unplayable anyway | Mar 08 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | with Wine as a deciding factor, don't even try to pick drivers | Mar 08 15:27 |
| oiaohm | FGLRX is fine normally without compiz and with kwin with its compositing features turned off. | Mar 08 15:27 |
| DaemonFC | both fail in different ways on different things | Mar 08 15:27 |
| oiaohm | With wine. | Mar 08 15:28 |
| oiaohm | Wine camp sooner DRI2 drivers are here the better. | Mar 08 15:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to bed. Long work day tomorrow.... Oo | Mar 08 15:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @bruce89: It's funny how people cling to GNOME 2.x's UI as if it's the best thing since sliced toast. 2002 is history now | Mar 08 15:28 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Nvidia has a stack of hacks that try to magically hide the dri1 issue. | Mar 08 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to end up building my own kernel on Natty :P | Mar 08 15:29 |
| DaemonFC | why are they still using 2.6.38-rc6? | Mar 08 15:30 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Problem is wine is insanely good at finding any flaw. | Mar 08 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | yes, Nvidia is unnaturally fast for a "DRI 1" driver | Mar 08 15:30 |
| oiaohm | indirect rendering is infact an attempt to hack around the dri1 limitation. | Mar 08 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | but that is because of hacks | Mar 08 15:30 |
| oiaohm | And those hacks are not without prices. | Mar 08 15:30 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: really thinking the open source drivers are not frame cheating the ATI ones are runing quite well. | Mar 08 15:32 |
| DaemonFC | well, if the choice is be a little slower or piss off every application into exposing bugs..... | Mar 08 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I'd be happy with slower, to a point | Mar 08 15:34 |
| oiaohm | What I am looking at is when frame cheating gets implemented. | Mar 08 15:35 |
| oiaohm | The frame rate should be able to come up prity close to where the ATI is now. | Mar 08 15:35 |
| oiaohm | with the closed source | Mar 08 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather just disable vsync and not worry about my card getting sent crap that it doesn't need to render | Mar 08 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | nothing like clogging the pipeline for no reason | Mar 08 15:36 |
| oiaohm | Really enable vsync can have frame dropping. | Mar 08 15:36 |
| oiaohm | Ie lack of frame dropping feature is why vsync hurts. | Mar 08 15:36 |
| oiaohm | But its one of those annoying order things. | Mar 08 15:37 |
| oiaohm | You cannot implement a frame dropping feature without vsync working. DaemonFC | Mar 08 15:37 |
| oiaohm | Places in the 3d driver development at times is take 2 step backward to be able to take 8 steps forwards latter. | Mar 08 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | Mesa 7.11-devel is not performing better than 7.10 so far, but it has a few more features | Mar 08 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | so applications that wouldn't work could suddenly start working | Mar 08 15:41 |
| DaemonFC | do you figure the Mesa from Xorg-edgers would accept that S3 texture library? | Mar 08 15:42 |
| DaemonFC | Debian Multimedia has that particular library in a deb package | Mar 08 15:43 |
| oiaohm | From memory S3 texture issue patents expire in 4 to 5 years. | Mar 08 15:43 |
| DaemonFC | would be nice to have | Mar 08 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care if I violate their patent | Mar 08 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | their patent is ridiculous | Mar 08 15:45 |
| oiaohm | Yep patent 1997 | Mar 08 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: How does linux-next work? | Mar 08 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | it's a patch against 2.6.38-rc8 right now | Mar 08 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | that's the bleeding edge tree, right? | Mar 08 15:46 |
| DaemonFC | is it normally usable? | Mar 08 15:46 |
| oiaohm | So it expires end of 2017 DaemonFC | Mar 08 15:46 |
| oiaohm | So there is a good chance with a little taking the patent holder might give it up. | Mar 08 15:47 |
| oiaohm | And intergrating it into tree now is not bad thing thinking in 6 years that is a short time by Linux standards they will be able to. | Mar 08 15:47 |
| oiaohm | linux-next is a test bed tree. DaemonFC | Mar 08 15:47 |
| DaemonFC | is there a way to just use drm-next? | Mar 08 15:48 |
| oiaohm | Each subsystem maintainer has there own tree. | Mar 08 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | all I'm interested in is the latest DRM code | Mar 08 15:48 |
| oiaohm | to make sure all the subsystem maintainer tree are in workable sync. | Mar 08 15:48 |
| oiaohm | linux-next exists. | Mar 08 15:48 |
| oiaohm | Ie Linux-next is not based on the past stable kernel directly. | Mar 08 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | if I click on Snapshot of drm-next, it offers me a tarball | Mar 08 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | what is that? an entire kernel? based on what? | Mar 08 15:49 |
| DaemonFC | it would be cool to stay on the edge with the latest kernel DRM code | Mar 08 15:50 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: subsystem maintainers tree. | Mar 08 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of neat stuff happens there | Mar 08 15:50 |
| oiaohm | Really want to know to use git. | Mar 08 15:50 |
| oiaohm | Not pull snap shots from a subsystem maintainers tree. | Mar 08 15:50 |
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| DaemonFC | the kernel moves too slow for me with this kind of stuff | Mar 08 15:50 |
| DaemonFC | it's like nothing happens for months, then BAM, a bunch of new features all in one hit | Mar 08 15:51 |
| oiaohm | git supports tree merging. DaemonFC | Mar 08 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | then wait 3 more months | Mar 08 15:51 |
| oiaohm | That is what linux next is. | Mar 08 15:51 |
| oiaohm | but if you don't want to run everything insane. | Mar 08 15:51 |
| oiaohm | You can tree merge like the drm-next tree back into current release stable. | Mar 08 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | I should just pull the drm-next tree | Mar 08 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | right? | Mar 08 15:51 |
| oiaohm | Really get to know git little deeper before doing anything. | Mar 08 15:52 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I was not going to dive right in with linux-next, it would introduce bugs in things I don't care about that much | Mar 08 15:52 |
| oiaohm | Because you most likely want drm-next tree mixed with the stable tree. | Mar 08 15:52 |
| oiaohm | linux-next has every leading edge tree. | Mar 08 15:52 |
| oiaohm | For every driver | Mar 08 15:52 |
| oiaohm | Even items that linus rejects because they fail testing. DaemonFC | Mar 08 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | which means bugs, data loss, kernel refusing to boot | Mar 08 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | knowing my luck | Mar 08 15:53 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Mar 08 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | I'd just like the latest kernel + all the latest DRM code | Mar 08 15:53 |
| oiaohm | linux-next tree good for subsystem maintainers to keep in sync. | Mar 08 15:53 |
| oiaohm | Anyone else using it is nuts. | Mar 08 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | my video card is really the only thing I have that Linux could support a lot better | Mar 08 15:54 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: You notice the term git pull a lot | Mar 08 15:54 |
| oiaohm | That is a git feature. | Mar 08 15:54 |
| oiaohm | Allows you to pull a tree like drm-next over the current tree you have. | Mar 08 15:54 |
| oiaohm | So making a new kernel with all the feature of the stable and all the features added in drm-next. | Mar 08 15:55 |
| oiaohm | Basically once you know git you will be able todo what you want fairly good. DaemonFC | Mar 08 15:55 |
| oiaohm | Of course you would check linux-next before doing a major pull incase the drm maintainer did something stupid and it will not merge at the moment. | Mar 08 15:56 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: git is a great tool for the flex it gives you. But of course flex comes with risk. Closer to the bleeding edge higher risk of bugs. | Mar 08 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | I used to use the predecessor of next | Mar 08 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | same thing really | Mar 08 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | the nvidia binary driver usually supports those too | Mar 08 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | I remember I had to edit the source of the glue layer and comment a bunch of stuff out to get it to build once | Mar 08 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | was just a shot in the dark, but it worked | Mar 08 16:00 |
| oiaohm | No next is more scary than the old devel branch. | Mar 08 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | what I can't stand is that Ubuntu isn't actually using upstream AppArmor | Mar 08 16:01 |
| oiaohm | Because they had to enchance it. | Mar 08 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | if you don't apply their patches, not only does AppArmor not work, it displays very verbose complaints as well :) | Mar 08 16:01 |
| oiaohm | And upstream rejected there alterations. | Mar 08 16:01 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu don't play well with others. | Mar 08 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | they fought to get it upstreamed and then won't use the upstream version | Mar 08 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | that's maddeningly unhelpful | Mar 08 16:02 |
| oiaohm | Upstream rejected there last lot of patches | Mar 08 16:02 |
| oiaohm | On the grounds it broke backwards compadiblity. | Mar 08 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | so instead they put them in Ubuntu anyway | Mar 08 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | and essentially have a fork | Mar 08 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu does this over and over again. | Mar 08 16:03 |
| oiaohm | And they don't seam to be learning. | Mar 08 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Upstream is more often than not right. | Mar 08 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | they will when they have to maintain it all as upstream gets further and further away | Mar 08 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | and eventually they are left eating dust | Mar 08 16:03 |
| oiaohm | Or they die under the workload. | Mar 08 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | a fork is easy to maintain when it's just starting out | Mar 08 16:04 |
| oiaohm | Like google internally was. | Mar 08 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | but it gets harder and harder | Mar 08 16:04 |
| oiaohm | Google 12 years | Mar 08 16:04 |
| oiaohm | Then it was that hard that google with all its resource could not maintain it. | Mar 08 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | lots of the changelog in Fedora packages is "Drop patch X, it got upstreamed" "Drop patch Y, it didn't" | Mar 08 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat wasn't always such a pleasure to use | Mar 08 16:06 |
| oiaohm | Thing is Y patch would have past first act | Mar 08 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | they made insane decisions that border on what Canonical does now | Mar 08 16:06 |
| oiaohm | Ie sent upstream and got maintainer tick off. | Mar 08 16:06 |
| oiaohm | But under the next level of inspection got rejected. | Mar 08 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | they usually ask first if it could get upstream, patch their version, and drop the patch when the upstream takes it | Mar 08 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | that's why you don't see a lot of patches in Fedora that just bounce back | Mar 08 16:07 |
| oiaohm | Fedora a few patches a year get past first maintainer | Mar 08 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | Canonical just sends jono out to cover their asses and insult every upstream that told them their work is stupid | Mar 08 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 16:07 |
| oiaohm | And then get to Linus and next level maintainers and get bounced. | Mar 08 16:08 |
| jono | DaemonFC, well, it is my job | Mar 08 16:08 |
| jono | insulting upstreams | Mar 08 16:08 |
| jono | and being a Canonical shill | Mar 08 16:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] !VoIP for Google Voice now works with !SIP-- No more proprietary software needed! http://redd.it/g03pl | Mar 08 16:08 | |
| jono | :P | Mar 08 16:08 |
| jono | oh, and throwing kittens into burning fires | Mar 08 16:08 |
| jono | and making cups of tea with old milk | Mar 08 16:08 |
| jono | etc etc... | Mar 08 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | this is up from merely helping your boss punch them | Mar 08 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 16:08 |
| jono | lol | Mar 08 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | "IGOR, where are you!? Bring me another package to mutilate! I HUNGER!" | Mar 08 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 08 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | we'll call it "Scrollbar 2.0" | Mar 08 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | and ransom the old ones for, one million dollars! | Mar 08 16:10 |
| oiaohm | jono: Suse use of Spacewalk is inside the rules. Redhat own commerical version of Spacewalk is Satellite. Each distrobution tweeking it is expected to rename it. This infact prevents trademark issues. | Mar 08 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it's no more wrong than repainting RHEL as CentOS or Scientific Linux | Mar 08 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | they're compliant with the license, that's all that really counts | Mar 08 16:12 |
| jono | oiaohm, I am not sure I suggested otherwise | Mar 08 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | really Canonical has to be congratulated for not stooping to Oracle's level | Mar 08 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | cloning RHEL and saying "Hey RHEL customers, point your Up2Date over here!" | Mar 08 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | "We have cheaper slave collars" | Mar 08 16:13 |
| oiaohm | jono: The issue with Banshee is the alteration does cross into trademark issues and Consumer protection laws. Particular all Consumer laws covering consumer deception. | Mar 08 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 08 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | as far as I know, Banshee has never said you couldn't call it Banshee and hasn't acted to stop anyone from that | Mar 08 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | but you're right, they could, it is trademarked | Mar 08 16:14 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Novell holds the Banshee trademark | Mar 08 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of things are trademarked and modified and used without permission | Mar 08 16:14 |
| jono | oiaohm, there is no trademark issue at all - we are not infringing on the trademark | Mar 08 16:14 |
| jono | how is it a trademark infringement? | Mar 08 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | jono: Are you still offering afio? | Mar 08 16:15 |
| jono | and how does it relate to consumer protection when the license allows such a change | Mar 08 16:15 |
| oiaohm | jono: Its false repesentation. | Mar 08 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | under the IANAL relicense | Mar 08 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 16:15 |
| jono | oiaohm, how so? the Banshee team legally allow such a change | Mar 08 16:15 |
| oiaohm | jono: after you threated. | Mar 08 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's distasteful and dishonest, but not against the letter of the law | Mar 08 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | I think is what jono is saying | Mar 08 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 16:15 |
| jono | oiaohm, trademark infringement is when you claim to be something different than the trademark represents - we are still shipping Banshee | Mar 08 16:15 |
| oiaohm | jono: any agreement under duress means nothing. | Mar 08 16:15 |
| jono | oiaohm, careful, no one threatened anyone | Mar 08 16:16 |
| oiaohm | jono: basic contract law. | Mar 08 16:16 |
| oiaohm | No you did. | Mar 08 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | jono: Mozilla came out of nowhere and sandbagged Debian with trademark complaints | Mar 08 16:16 |
| oiaohm | You said you would remove the feature. | Mar 08 16:16 |
| jono | DaemonFC, I totally see how some people feel it is culturally insensitive, but yes, it is legally acceptable, the license allows it | Mar 08 16:16 |
| oiaohm | That is legally a threat. jono | Mar 08 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | just because Ubuntu got a sweetheart deal there doesn't mean all upstreams will | Mar 08 16:16 |
| jono | oiaohm, which contract? | Mar 08 16:16 |
| jono | and what was the specific threat | Mar 08 16:16 |
| jono | ? | Mar 08 16:16 |
| oiaohm | jono: all agreement when it comes to this kind of alteration come under contract law. | Mar 08 16:17 |
| oiaohm | contracts don't have to be written. | Mar 08 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox is a great big bloated pile of bugs and random assorted crap | Mar 08 16:17 |
| jono | oiaohm, no contract has been signed with the Banshee team, so how is it a contract issue? | Mar 08 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | they should just be glad anyone is willing to use it by choice | Mar 08 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 16:17 |
| oiaohm | jono: stop being a idiot. | Mar 08 16:17 |
| oiaohm | what is a verbal contract. | Mar 08 16:17 |
| jono | oiaohm, please be respectful | Mar 08 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | I consider Firefox to be the IE of GNOME-based Linux | Mar 08 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | it's there, the help system and several other things need it | Mar 08 16:18 |
| jono | oiaohm, verbal contracts are not protected by contract law | Mar 08 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | you can't get rid of it | Mar 08 16:18 |
| oiaohm | That the banshee people approve that you could do x alteration falls under verbal contracts. | Mar 08 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | it's slow, buggy, and a security risk | Mar 08 16:18 |
| oiaohm | jono: infact verbal contract do fall under contract law | Mar 08 16:18 |
| oiaohm | If they can be proven to be in existance. | Mar 08 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | yes, but those are almost impossible to enforce | Mar 08 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | there have to be witnesses, credible ones | Mar 08 16:19 |
| jono | oiaohm, if you want to criticise Canonical for backtracking on an agreement, you are totally within your rights to do so, but your legal assessment is without grounds from my (limited) knowledge of contract law | Mar 08 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | the more the better | Mar 08 16:19 |
| oiaohm | Problem is normally proven the existance of a verbal contract. | Mar 08 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | they don't say "Get it in writing" for no reason | Mar 08 16:19 |
| jono | oiaohm, apart from anything, there was no verbal contract, there was an offer, and it was rejected | Mar 08 16:19 |
| oiaohm | common legal mistake is that a verbal contract is not covered by contract law. | Mar 08 16:19 |
| jono | which by definitions means so such agreement or verbal contract existed | Mar 08 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | you should have kept your collective mouths shut and just did it | Mar 08 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | legally safer since nothing in the license forbids it | Mar 08 16:20 |
| oiaohm | Basically jono legally any form of agreement fall under contract law. | Mar 08 16:20 |
| jono | oiaohm, and given that you were not involved in any of the discussions, I find it ironic that you feel you can quantatively say that (a) we threatened Banshee and (b) you know there was a verbal contract | Mar 08 16:20 |
| oiaohm | And most never have duress. | Mar 08 16:20 |
| oiaohm | most/must | Mar 08 16:20 |
| jono | oiaohm, don't judge a perceived cultural indiscretion as a legal issue | Mar 08 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | Kubuntu is still Mono-free | Mar 08 16:21 |
| jono | I think you are barking up the wrong tree | Mar 08 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | there's qt4 bindings but nothing uses them | Mar 08 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | no software, means no reason for distros to foist it on you | Mar 08 16:21 |
| jono | anyway, I better get back to work | Mar 08 16:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] working on a #Discworld post for people who have never heard of it | Mar 08 16:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Fedora GNOME 3 Test Day http://lwn.net/Articles/432201/rss | Mar 08 16:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Younger son has to do "Home Based Learning" - but needs 'doze for it. Will MOE fund a copy of 'doze? No open standards? FAIL! #fb | Mar 08 16:21 | |
| jono | writing a blog about the Ubuntu Global Jam :-) | Mar 08 16:21 |
| oiaohm | jono: problem agreement does not protect you from the consumer projection laws. Particularly here. | Mar 08 16:21 |
| jono | get some folks together to have some fun :-) | Mar 08 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | jono: I have one big question for you | Mar 08 16:22 |
| jono | oiaohm, ok, so how have we breached consumer protection laws? | Mar 08 16:22 |
| jono | DaemonFC, sure | Mar 08 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | Why is it that you can't support Mono like Debian does? ie, get rid of tomboy and banshee, and the system replaces them with Rhytmbox and Gnote | Mar 08 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | for example | Mar 08 16:22 |
| DaemonFC | you can make the ubuntu desktop package depend on either/or | Mar 08 16:22 |
| oiaohm | jono: Very simply 2 users 1 using fedora one using Ubuntu. User using the program unless clearly displayed that the money is going a differenet path. | Mar 08 16:23 |
| oiaohm | The user in in there right to be presume the money is going to the same location. | Mar 08 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | Debian doesn't depend on Mono, if you remove something, it replaces it with a non-Mono stand-in | Mar 08 16:23 |
| jono | oiaohm, I don't understand - how is the rights of the consumer being abused? | Mar 08 16:23 |
| oiaohm | Since its not currently clearly displayed the user could be decieved where the money is going so illegal. | Mar 08 16:23 |
| oiaohm | Because where the users is believe there money is going may not be the case. jono | Mar 08 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | jono: It would let you have cake and eat it to, Banshee is there, but people who don't want it get kicked back to Rhythmbox | Mar 08 16:24 |
| oiaohm | So you are decieving the user. | Mar 08 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | removing Banshee now means removing ubuntu-desktop | Mar 08 16:24 |
| jono | DaemonFC, well, the Ubuntu Technical Board does not see any risk in Mono as it stands today, so therefore we choose apps based on the best user experience (namely TobBoy as an example) - if the legal risk of Mono changes, we would remove those apps | Mar 08 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | so mandatory Mono | Mar 08 16:24 |
| jono | DaemonFC, in other words, if the TB are convinced that Mono is a risk, we would not ship it and then remove those apps and seek alternatives | Mar 08 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | you've disempowered the user to choose what the user wants and does not want | Mar 08 16:25 |
| oiaohm | jono: Its something you have to be very careful with doing a change like this. That person using the software that is clear that its changed. | Mar 08 16:25 |
| oiaohm | jono: changing the refer id alone is basically not enough. | Mar 08 16:25 |
| jono | oiaohm, so your view is that because we don't communicate where the money is going it is therefore illigal? | Mar 08 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | jono: I didn't say I'm qualified to certify it as a risk | Mar 08 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | I asked, what if I don't want it | Mar 08 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 16:25 |
| oiaohm | jono: that is the austrlaian law. | Mar 08 16:26 |
| jono | DaemonFC, oh you mean if you just don't want the app? | Mar 08 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Mar 08 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | the either/or method lets the user decide what they wish to have | Mar 08 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | you already do it in Kubuntu | Mar 08 16:26 |
| oiaohm | jono: and my big problem is the consumer protection laws called fair trading will hold me it account for you alteration if I install Ubuntu with the alteration the way it is on a customers machine. | Mar 08 16:26 |
| jono | oiaohm, I think you are incorrect - I don't *know* this - but if that was the case, any kind of sale would be illigal as there is revenue share in pretty much everything | Mar 08 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | remove Rekonq, get Konqueror | Mar 08 16:26 |
| jono | DaemonFC, can't you just remove them using the Ubuntu Software Center? | Mar 08 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | I prefer Konqueror, so my problem is solved when I get rid of Rekonq | Mar 08 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | jono: Ubuntu Desktop depends on everything in the default desktop | Mar 08 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | that's why you can't remove Banshee and be guaranteed that future updates work right | Mar 08 16:27 |
| jono | oiaohm, I think your legal reading of consumer protection is incorrect, but I suggest you contact a lawyer to get further information if you need to | Mar 08 16:27 |
| jono | DaemonFC, right, so if you remove Banshee, it tries to remove ubuntu-desktop? | Mar 08 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Mar 08 16:28 |
| oiaohm | jono: Under australian law if taking a percage in a commission that a nother product on shelf someone else is not. You have to declare it. | Mar 08 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | more elegant would be, Ubuntu desktop depends on Banshee -OR- Rhythmbox | Mar 08 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | Tomboy -OR- GNote | Mar 08 16:28 |
| oiaohm | jono: Simple fact is what you have done is illegal for Australia and a few other countries. | Mar 08 16:28 |
| oiaohm | jono: if all distributions were doing the same share setup. | Mar 08 16:29 |
| jono | DaemonFC, yeah, I agree that kinda sucks | Mar 08 16:29 |
| jono | DaemonFC, is there a bug filed about this? | Mar 08 16:29 |
| oiaohm | jono: There would be no legal problem here. | Mar 08 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | no, because it doesn't affect me (Kubuntu) | Mar 08 16:29 |
| oiaohm | jono: difference to the whole cause big problems. | Mar 08 16:29 |
| DaemonFC | and Kubuntu already does the right thing with Rekonq v Konqueror | Mar 08 16:29 |
| jono | DaemonFC, it might be worth filing a bug and mailing ubuntu-desktop about it - I think it is great feedback | Mar 08 16:29 |
| oiaohm | jono: and kinda have to be declared | Mar 08 16:29 |
| jono | oiaohm, I don't believe it is illigal - but IANAL | Mar 08 16:30 |
| DaemonFC | jono: File it on ubuntu or ubuntu-desktop? | Mar 08 16:30 |
| oiaohm | jono: most revenue is a counstant. | Mar 08 16:30 |
| oiaohm | jono: this issue does not come up. | Mar 08 16:30 |
| oiaohm | jono: Its that you did different sharing to everyone else. | Mar 08 16:30 |
| jono | DaemonFC, file it against ubuntu but maybe post to the ubuntu-desktop mailing list about it | Mar 08 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | In Kubuntu's case, I think Rekonq is more flashy and appealing to a typical desktop user, but Konqueror is far more powerful | Mar 08 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | they didn't deny me Konqueror and say use Rekonq or find a new disto | Mar 08 16:31 |
| DaemonFC | or "You must have Rekonq on your system even if it's useless to you" | Mar 08 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | likewise, I think Ubuntu has overlooked all the great improvements in Rhythmbox lately | Mar 08 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | in favor of Banshee | Mar 08 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | Rhythmbox's new Last.FM plug-in is already superior | Mar 08 16:32 |
| DaemonFC | Banshee seems to like to trip up and say "Gstreamer needs a plugin for text/html" | Mar 08 16:33 |
| DaemonFC | randomly :) | Mar 08 16:33 |
| oiaohm | jono: Australia fairtrade/counsumer protection laws. Are strict on issues of altered paths of sharing. Like of a maker starts selling on line direct and does not take the comission that its sellers have they land in trouble two. | Mar 08 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | I really hate their API 2.0, it's a paywall that glitches a lot more often than the old Radio API | Mar 08 16:34 |
| oiaohm | jono: its the one that changes away from expected is in trouble by fairtrading. | Mar 08 16:34 |
| jono | sorry guys, I have to get back to work | Mar 08 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't seem to affect Amarok or Clementine that way though | Mar 08 16:34 |
| jono | speak soon, take care | Mar 08 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 16:34 |
| jono | :-) | Mar 08 16:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: Attending memorial service for Jim Travers, journalist extraordinaire... | Mar 08 16:35 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: I have enfored verbal contracts before. | Mar 08 16:36 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Having them on video and tape. | Mar 08 16:36 |
| oiaohm | Kinda makes them stick. | Mar 08 16:36 |
| oiaohm | Yes the idoit though a contract had to be written on paper. DaemonFC | Mar 08 16:37 |
| Ender2070 | if you have evidence | Mar 08 16:41 |
| Ender2070 | i'd argue your video and tape is fake | Mar 08 16:41 |
| oiaohm | Yes can try that. | Mar 08 16:43 |
| Ender2070 | very easy to fake that stuff | Mar 08 16:43 |
| oiaohm | Except for the fact I did not record the video. | Mar 08 16:43 |
| Ender2070 | who did? | Mar 08 16:44 |
| oiaohm | The guy who was paid to cover the event. | Mar 08 16:44 |
| oiaohm | Yes a independant with nothing to gain from the contract either way. | Mar 08 16:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] why am i getting an error when i try to leave !lo ? tired of minecraft posts. | Mar 08 16:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] I was an avionics mechanic in the army; I find this terrifying: iPads could replace paper charts in airline cockpits http://ur1.ca/3fe7u | Mar 08 16:45 | |
| oiaohm | Same rules apply. You need a witness. For a contract to be valid. Ender2070 | Mar 08 16:46 |
| oiaohm | Ie that there was no duress or other interference. | Mar 08 16:46 |
| Ender2070 | good stuff | Mar 08 16:46 |
| oiaohm | Obey contract law and the contract can be done on any media you like. | Mar 08 16:47 |
| oiaohm | And 100 percent binding. | Mar 08 16:47 |
| oiaohm | Most countries contract laws don't mention paper requirement. | Mar 08 16:48 |
| Ender2070 | yes that is true | Mar 08 16:48 |
| Ender2070 | it just happens to be the best evidence | Mar 08 16:48 |
| oiaohm | My case evidence was insanely solid. | Mar 08 16:49 |
| Ender2070 | my girlfriend for example was able to get out of a Fido contract | Mar 08 16:49 |
| Ender2070 | they lost proof of her signature | Mar 08 16:49 |
| oiaohm | You can also attempt to claim you signed a written contract under duress and other things. | Mar 08 16:50 |
| oiaohm | On video that is a little hard. | Mar 08 16:50 |
| Ender2070 | oh yes | Mar 08 16:50 |
| Ender2070 | thats the best one | Mar 08 16:50 |
| Ender2070 | you use it on cops | Mar 08 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.38-rc8-natty/ | Mar 08 16:50 |
| Ender2070 | when they make you sign a ticket | Mar 08 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | over 10 megs of patch against mainline? | Mar 08 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | sweet jesus | Mar 08 16:51 |
| Ender2070 | if the contract is non negotiable, its an adhesion contract | Mar 08 16:52 |
| Ender2070 | most cell providers use adhesion contracts | Mar 08 16:52 |
| oiaohm | I normally use the video solution with people who normally fight there way out of contracts. | Mar 08 16:52 |
| oiaohm | I use to do debt collection for a while. | Mar 08 16:52 |
| oiaohm | So you get all the bad kinds in there. | Mar 08 16:52 |
| Ender2070 | oh god, you're the devil? | Mar 08 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: I can only imagine what level of Hell should be reserved for debt collectors | Mar 08 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | they deserve worse than drug dealers | Mar 08 16:54 |
| Ender2070 | yeah exactly | Mar 08 16:54 |
| Ender2070 | every one i've ever dealt with has broken the law | Mar 08 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | some people like drugs, nobody likes a debt collector | Mar 08 16:54 |
| oiaohm | Really I was fairly nice. | Mar 08 16:54 |
| oiaohm | I would normally go armed with a solution that would get them out of debt in under 3 years. | Mar 08 16:54 |
| Ender2070 | these people were nice too | Mar 08 16:54 |
| oiaohm | legally and above board. | Mar 08 16:54 |
| Ender2070 | well good stuff | Mar 08 16:54 |
| Ender2070 | you're not even in north america right | Mar 08 16:54 |
| oiaohm | But to get a person out of debt that way they have to stick to contracts. | Mar 08 16:55 |
| oiaohm | Not say hey we will do this then 4 months latter not doing anything. | Mar 08 16:55 |
| oiaohm | Basically debt collector comes to your door the best way to piss them off is lie | Mar 08 16:56 |
| oiaohm | Then they wonder why debt collectors start taking assets and other items. | Mar 08 16:56 |
| oiaohm | We don't want to have todo that. | Mar 08 16:56 |
| Ender2070 | in canada, its illegal to use legal threats, its illegal to call more than twice a week, its illegal to call a cell phone, its illegal to contact you if you've notified them you didnt receive a notice | Mar 08 16:56 |
| oiaohm | In most cases. | Mar 08 16:56 |
| Ender2070 | and if you say 'i dispute the charge' | Mar 08 16:57 |
| Ender2070 | they can't call you ever again | Mar 08 16:57 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: Normally first thing I was offer off the start line 1 interest free payback. | Mar 08 16:57 |
| oiaohm | And sometimes even only having to pay back percentage of the debt. | Mar 08 16:58 |
| oiaohm | Really really nice. | Mar 08 16:58 |
| oiaohm | And if the debt was wrong. I would sue the person who gave me an invalid debt. | Mar 08 16:58 |
| Ender2070 | yeah here they just send it back to the company | Mar 08 16:59 |
| Ender2070 | if they persue it they are acting illegally | Mar 08 16:59 |
| oiaohm | Basically I get paid if its valid or invalid. | Mar 08 16:59 |
| oiaohm | So when I first knock on the door I am not there to be a prick. | Mar 08 16:59 |
| Ender2070 | im still dealing with a collection agency for bell canada | Mar 08 16:59 |
| Ender2070 | im considering serving them before they serve me | Mar 08 16:59 |
| Ender2070 | in a public cell phone pavilion in front of customers | Mar 08 17:00 |
| oiaohm | I don't know canada rules on invalid collection orders. | Mar 08 17:00 |
| Ender2070 | if its invalid | Mar 08 17:00 |
| Ender2070 | you say it is | Mar 08 17:00 |
| Ender2070 | and they have to leave you alone | Mar 08 17:00 |
| Ender2070 | they go back to the company and get a refund | Mar 08 17:00 |
| oiaohm | I mean for the collection agency. | Mar 08 17:01 |
| oiaohm | Ie do they still get paid. | Mar 08 17:01 |
| oiaohm | Some countries sux. | Mar 08 17:01 |
| Ender2070 | im not sure | Mar 08 17:01 |
| oiaohm | Ie collection agency does not get paid if its invalid. | Mar 08 17:01 |
| oiaohm | And those countries have bad debt collectors. | Mar 08 17:01 |
| Ender2070 | they probably get their money back | Mar 08 17:01 |
| oiaohm | USA in particular suxs. | Mar 08 17:01 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Mar 08 17:02 |
| oiaohm | Since debt collecting over there works on the bounty system. | Mar 08 17:02 |
| oiaohm | Only paid if collect. | Mar 08 17:02 |
| Ender2070 | every debt collector i've ever dealt with in Canada has acted illegally | Mar 08 17:02 |
| oiaohm | And the debt was valid. | Mar 08 17:02 |
| Ender2070 | never valid debts either | Mar 08 17:02 |
| oiaohm | or invalid | Mar 08 17:02 |
| Ender2070 | all of them bell canada, even a few years ago | Mar 08 17:02 |
| Ender2070 | i had their wimax service for less than 30 days and got rid of it | Mar 08 17:02 |
| Ender2070 | they charged me twice to cancel, instead of charging me nothing, then refused to say why i owed them money and went to a collection agency | Mar 08 17:03 |
| oiaohm | So australian collection agents are required to check out with person in first visit if the debt is valid. | Mar 08 17:03 |
| oiaohm | And if not get evendence proving it. | Mar 08 17:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Maybe this is why the Americans want to keep their prison population high - slave labor: http://bit.ly/eXiIu9 | Mar 08 17:03 | |
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| oiaohm | Really debt collectors here are hated but normally only by the gulity. | Mar 08 17:03 |
| oiaohm | Credit card debt collection has to be my most fun I did. | Mar 08 17:04 |
| oiaohm | Most case people only end up having to pay 10 percent of there card limit to clear the debt and agree not to have a credit card for 10 years. | Mar 08 17:05 |
| oiaohm | That is of course if they don't fight it. Ender2070 | Mar 08 17:05 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Mar 08 17:07 |
| Ender2070 | seriously? | Mar 08 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | I'm trying to dig up all of Ubuntu's AppArmor patches to apply to my kernel | Mar 08 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 08 17:07 |
| Ender2070 | we have debt consolidators who do similar things but without the agreement not to have a credit card | Mar 08 17:07 |
| Ender2070 | you just go on a long term fixed payment contract | Mar 08 17:07 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: the banks here are on board. | Mar 08 17:07 |
| Ender2070 | but you end up paying like half your credit card debt | Mar 08 17:07 |
| oiaohm | Fair trading laws again in Australia | Mar 08 17:07 |
| oiaohm | The banks had breached there duity of care letting a person get massively into debt. | Mar 08 17:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Uurrrggh. 2nd time mconline.sg hangs on w7 machine and son angered by not being able to submit hwork. FAIL! #fb | Mar 08 17:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] #social #harmony my ass! #WTF is wrong... saw somebody being stabbed near the busstop/subway | Mar 08 17:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @nearyd Also ironic that the next Ubuntu release is yet again a cat (remind you of anyone?) And Dali's pet, no less! | Mar 08 17:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] just guessing this won't have endeared the defendant to the Judge's good books http://tighturl.com/2zqm | Mar 08 17:08 | |
| oiaohm | Yes getting a credit card here is not exactly simple. Ender2070 | Mar 08 17:09 |
| oiaohm | Since the bank might be stuck with the debt. | Mar 08 17:09 |
| oiaohm | That long term payment contract from the debt collectors. They are making like 80 percent on that if you pay 50 percent at least in most cases. Ender2070 | Mar 08 17:10 |
| oiaohm | Now of course of someone trys to break the payment contract or something like that. Debt collectors have to turn nasty. Ender2070 | Mar 08 17:11 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: we always try to leave a person with a roof over there head and means to goto work and earn money. | Mar 08 17:12 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: swaping a bmw for a 10 year old cheap car with patchwork paint. Did not go down well for some reason. | Mar 08 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart decided to up my credit limit by $400 | Mar 08 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Mar 08 17:13 |
| oiaohm | I have done that. | Mar 08 17:13 |
| oiaohm | person who was in debt massively. | Mar 08 17:13 |
| oiaohm | had almost brand new bmw | Mar 08 17:13 |
| oiaohm | So got permission to collect. | Mar 08 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I put stuff on the card and pay it right back | Mar 08 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | no interest, builds credit | Mar 08 17:14 |
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| oiaohm | Doing that you will never see a debt collector. DaemonFC | Mar 08 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | not for that anyway | Mar 08 17:14 |
| oiaohm | Debt collectors are not cheep. | Mar 08 17:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] TIP for foreigners in !China: when you see something bad happen, just keep walking. Else you might end up being accused of it! #money | Mar 08 17:15 | |
| DaemonFC | medical bills ruined my credit rating | Mar 08 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | so now I'm trying to build it back up brick by brick | Mar 08 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 08 17:15 |
| oiaohm | medical is something I never would debt collect on. | Mar 08 17:15 |
| oiaohm | Unless it was comsemtic. | Mar 08 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | I did have a 750 | Mar 08 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | now it's in the 500s | Mar 08 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | thanks to getting sick | Mar 08 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 17:15 |
| oiaohm | Yes you can guess why. I am male. | Mar 08 17:15 |
| DaemonFC | in the US, a person who defaults on a credit card full of plasma TVs and video games is considered as irresponsible as someone who had to have their appendix removed and jsut didn't have insurance | Mar 08 17:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Happy International Women’s Day - Indie "This Magazine" reminds us why it's still important: http://ur1.ca/3ffcr | Mar 08 17:16 | |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 17:16 |
| oiaohm | There was a female debt collector who use to handle medical caused debt. | Mar 08 17:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] And here is Umair Haque's interesting take on "The United States of Charlie Sheen" http://ur1.ca/3ffeb #notfollowing charlie | Mar 08 17:18 | |
| oiaohm | Yes she was good at the charm. Mostly to use against the place that had the debt. | Mar 08 17:18 |
| oiaohm | Normally she could get it down to cost of the hardware used in the treatment. | Mar 08 17:19 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Yes good debt collectors are double way weasles. | Mar 08 17:19 |
| oiaohm | I was good at talking to banks and businesses and getting them to drop to resonable terms that I had a chance of collecting on. | Mar 08 17:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Gentoo Linux 11.0 LiveDVD Released: While stable, tagged releases really aren't important to Gentoo users due to... http://bit.ly/i0ZB9x | Mar 08 17:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Google Releases VP8 Bali Codec SDK: Google has released a new version of its open VP8 codec. This new version, w... http://bit.ly/dIZZqU | Mar 08 17:20 | |
| DaemonFC | is there a patch for ureadahead somewhere? :) | Mar 08 17:20 |
| oiaohm | Ok that patch name is not meaning anything to me. What does it do. DaemonFC | Mar 08 17:21 |
| DaemonFC | it's a readahead daemon Ubuntu uses | Mar 08 17:22 |
| DaemonFC | needs a kernel patch | Mar 08 17:22 |
| oiaohm | God no. | Mar 08 17:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter Only reason I've heard of discworld is from my kid :D (Made me read one too... the postman always rings twice or something) | Mar 08 17:25 | |
| oiaohm | https://fedorahosted.org/readahead/ Most like this one. | Mar 08 17:25 |
| oiaohm | But it don't start with U | Mar 08 17:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Open Web Apps, Join Mozilla, Web O’ Wonder and more… http://bit.ly/feXFXn | Mar 08 17:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] << time for dinner & then back to the grind #amproofing | Mar 08 17:28 | |
| DaemonFC | oh well, I found the apparmor patches | Mar 08 17:32 |
| Ender2070 | perhaps its UBUNTUreadahead | Mar 08 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | perhaps I'll just do what I always do and disable the userspace part so it doesn't bitch at me | Mar 08 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | if it does make the boot faster I can't tell | Mar 08 17:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @rebelk0de: French gov't gives more details of hack: 150 PCs compromised http://bit.ly/gqQYAE | Mar 08 17:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #Rightwing's idea of small govt: keep the yachts, fire the janitors. | Mar 08 17:40 | |
| DaemonFC | I just thought that since I was being industrious and looking for the apparmor patches, I'd try to find a ureadahead patch | Mar 08 17:40 |
| Ender2070 | apparmor is bullshit | Mar 08 17:42 |
| Ender2070 | SELinux is wayyyyy more intuitive | Mar 08 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | Video For Linux 1 has been removed | Mar 08 17:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: The Duke & the Despot | Mail http://is.gd/jTPHs7 !wl | Mar 08 17:46 | |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Do I want old ALSA API support? | Mar 08 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Mar 08 17:47 |
| oiaohm | Modern distribution normally no. | Mar 08 17:47 |
| oiaohm | But ubuntu I don't know how insane they are. | Mar 08 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | looks like that API is from late 2002 and earlier | Mar 08 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's on in Ubuntu | Mar 08 17:48 |
| *DaemonFC kills it | Mar 08 17:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #TomCruise, farmer? In #Colorado, some famous faces, names get ag-land #tax breaks http://ur1.ca/3fftd #wtf #wrong | Mar 08 17:50 | |
| DaemonFC | doesn't look like I need to build any staging drivers | Mar 08 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | They have transparent hugepage support turned off! | Mar 08 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | omg | Mar 08 17:57 |
| oiaohm | Really no valid reason to. | Mar 08 17:58 |
| oiaohm | thinking you can turn it off in proc if it causes issues. | Mar 08 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | dynamic ticks on or off? | Mar 08 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | seen this debated a lot | Mar 08 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | it's basically latency vs power use | Mar 08 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | right? | Mar 08 17:58 |
| oiaohm | Laptop dynamic ticks on. | Mar 08 17:58 |
| oiaohm | No question. | Mar 08 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Mar 08 17:59 |
| oiaohm | latency it really don't change much. | Mar 08 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | it's a lot of latency and doesn't seem to save much power | Mar 08 17:59 |
| oiaohm | Some applications are don't set there wake up requirements correctly. | Mar 08 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | I usually disable dynamic ticks and set HZ=300 | Mar 08 18:00 |
| oiaohm | current day up today coding standard programs dynamic ticks on have no negitive effects. | Mar 08 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | reasonable right? | Mar 08 18:00 |
| oiaohm | You have the idea that a dynamic tick is bad. | Mar 08 18:00 |
| oiaohm | Most of the time is good. | Mar 08 18:00 |
| oiaohm | First generations dynamic tick patch were not smart enough DaemonFC | Mar 08 18:02 |
| oiaohm | Current ones if your program uses something like a high res timer it really stops being dynamic. | Mar 08 18:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[hisdudeness/@hisdudeness] Will Anonymous Bradley #Manning rächen?: Das Internet-Kollektiv #Anonymous bewies in den letzten Monaten.. http://bit.ly/ew8Wk4 !wl !anonops | Mar 08 18:06 | |
| oiaohm | http://lwn.net/Articles/223185/ Alteration in 2007 made the difference. DaemonFC | Mar 08 18:06 |
| oiaohm | Clockevents anything that needs a clock event by interp at a particular time simply asks for it. | Mar 08 18:07 |
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| oiaohm | So you don't need a interp ticking away over and over again. Waking the system up just to go back to sleep. | Mar 08 18:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | [08:50:00] -TRIdentica/#techrights- [lamm/@lamm] #TomCruise, farmer? In #Colorado, some famous faces, names get ag-land #tax breaks http://ur1.ca/3fftd #wtf #wrong | Mar 08 18:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | what and no one bitches about how hes a mass murderer? | Mar 08 18:11 |
| DaemonFC | I'm in love with Katey!!!! | Mar 08 18:11 |
| *DaemonFC jumps up and down on the couch | Mar 08 18:12 | |
| DaemonFC | GRAWWWWWW!!!! | Mar 08 18:12 |
| DaemonFC | Xenu will return!!! | Mar 08 18:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Kibaki ‘set Raila up’ in Migingo dispute | Daily Nation http://is.gd/jIgR4I http://bit.ly/iczYXS | Mar 08 18:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: WikiLeaks: The Duke & the Despot | Mail http://is.gd/jTPHs7 http://bit.ly/hQcNDk | Mar 08 18:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | build failed | Mar 08 18:18 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm guessing it was the apparmor patches | Mar 08 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | they touched the file that it failed on | Mar 08 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | screw it | Mar 08 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | next go I just disable apparmor | Mar 08 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | grab the SELinux Targeted policy | Mar 08 18:18 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Who's Behind NVIDIA's 3D Vision Linux Work?: One of the features that's supported by NVIDIA's binary Linux drive... http://bit.ly/fGYxoL | Mar 08 18:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @x11r5 @maverick Today is a republican state. I have a day | Mar 08 18:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] good point on #Mintcast #Banshee deal made public by well meaning dev before it was finalised, contributed to it blowing up on #Canonical | Mar 08 18:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] off to #nblug for an evening of computer security | Mar 08 18:40 | |
| DaemonFC | I decided to just leave AppArmor out of my kernel | Mar 08 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | I will use SELinux Targeted instead | Mar 08 18:40 |
| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: Hi again | Mar 08 18:49 |
| GoForbes28 | How would you rate the stability of Fedora? | Mar 08 18:49 |
| oiaohm | Better than ubuntu worse than scientific linux and centos. | Mar 08 18:50 |
| GoForbes28 | CentOS makes sense | Mar 08 18:51 |
| GoForbes28 | I never really got the point of Scientific Linux | Mar 08 18:51 |
| GoForbes28 | Fedora has XFCE 4.8 - cool :) | Mar 08 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | Scientific Linux is better than CentOS | Mar 08 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | they have a nice contrib repo and they release a lot faster | Mar 08 18:53 |
| oiaohm | Scientific Linux has cern and other big Scientific enities behind it so is way better funded then centos. GoForbes28 | Mar 08 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | you shouldn't use Enterprise Linux at all if you're not comfortable with a compiler, because some things just aren't there at all | Mar 08 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | and you shouldn't use it unless you know how to manage incompatible yum repos | Mar 08 18:54 |
| GoForbes28 | RHEL? Overkill in one sense for my laptop | Mar 08 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | because those community repos all have different versions of different RPMs | Mar 08 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | Scientific and CentOS are RHEL with different artwork | Mar 08 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | for the most part | Mar 08 18:54 |
| GoForbes28 | Or do you mean Enterprise Linux in a general sense? | Mar 08 18:55 |
| oiaohm | RHEL and Scientific are almost blood bothers. | Mar 08 18:55 |
| GoForbes28 | Well, so is Oracle Linux | Mar 08 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, generic term is Enterprise Linux | Mar 08 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | or EL | Mar 08 18:55 |
| GoForbes28 | Is Fedora Enterprise?\ | Mar 08 18:55 |
| oiaohm | Since redhat uses Scientific parts in places. | Mar 08 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | no | Mar 08 18:55 |
| oiaohm | Fedora is testing. | Mar 08 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora is a testbed for stuff that eventually becomes Enterprise Linux | Mar 08 18:55 |
| oiaohm | Fedora is ment to be at a level that should send people running screaming away from | Mar 08 18:55 |
| oiaohm | due to instablity. | Mar 08 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora is not unstable, usually | Mar 08 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | don't flip on the test updates and you'll be fine, probably :) | Mar 08 18:56 |
| oiaohm | yet Ubuntu what is ment to be a production release is more unstable than Fedora | Mar 08 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | bugs in Fedora come as quickly as they go | Mar 08 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | but it's the price you pay for being On THe Edge(R) | Mar 08 18:56 |
| oiaohm | This is what you call a failure to product a production release if you cannot beat Fedora. | Mar 08 18:57 |
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| GoForbes28 | I would think Arch is more on the edge | Mar 08 18:57 |
| oiaohm | Arch is more stable than ubuntu | Mar 08 18:57 |
| GoForbes28 | Or aptosid, or Gentoo | Mar 08 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I traced the build failure back to Ubuntu's GCC 4.5 | Mar 08 18:57 |
| oiaohm | Basically almost every other distribution is more stable. | Mar 08 18:57 |
| GoForbes28 | Fedora seems more "mainstream" than those :) | Mar 08 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | apparently if I set export gcc=gcc4.4, and just use that, it builds | Mar 08 18:57 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: the issue is Ubuntu maintainers are adding too many patched with out independant vetting. | Mar 08 18:58 |
| oiaohm | Under the ruses of userfriendlyness. | Mar 08 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | wonder if GCC 4.6 would build my kernel | Mar 08 18:58 |
| oiaohm | The most user unfriendly thing you can do is crash. | Mar 08 18:58 |
| GoForbes28 | aka, Mac masturbation | Mar 08 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | I've never had a crash with Enterprise Linux | Mar 08 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | ever | Mar 08 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | not even an application crash | Mar 08 18:59 |
| oiaohm | I have had php crash once. | Mar 08 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | they make sure everything in it is rock solid | Mar 08 18:59 |
| oiaohm | But I was doing something really nasty to it. | Mar 08 18:59 |
| GoForbes28 | nice | Mar 08 18:59 |
| oiaohm | On a enterprie Linux | Mar 08 18:59 |
| GoForbes28 | I would get a Canadian distro, to show my patriotism | Mar 08 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | SLED is a whole different story | Mar 08 18:59 |
| oiaohm | SLED is still fairly solid. | Mar 08 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | I've never had good luck with anything that says SuSE | Mar 08 19:00 |
| GoForbes28 | if so, my choices are aLinux, Arch, ArchBang, GhostBSD, LFS, OpenBSD, Userful Desktop, and Vector | Mar 08 19:00 |
| oiaohm | Ok not a redhat or Scentific | Mar 08 19:00 |
| oiaohm | SLED and Centos are about the same level of stablity. | Mar 08 19:01 |
| GoForbes28 | Would Scientifc work well for general use? | Mar 08 19:01 |
| oiaohm | Enterprise are not known for having the latest and greats applications. If you prepared to put up with 12 months to 2 years old applications yes Scientific is more than fine. | Mar 08 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | don't use fasttrack/fastbugs | Mar 08 19:02 |
| GoForbes28 | Well, if I went with Debian, I'd be facing the same thing | Mar 08 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | it will break your system in subtle ways | Mar 08 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Mar 08 19:02 |
| oiaohm | Ok yes I forgot that one don't endable Scientific testing mode. | Mar 08 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | you can use Debian Testing, or Stable with apt-pinning | Mar 08 19:03 |
| GoForbes28 | Debian's stable is always behind | Mar 08 19:03 |
| GoForbes28 | apt-pinning? | Mar 08 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | if you're careful, you can maintain a mostly stable system with new packages that you need | Mar 08 19:03 |
| GoForbes28 | backports? | Mar 08 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | no | Mar 08 19:03 |
| oiaohm | Debian Testing is quite solid. GoForbes28 | Mar 08 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | Apt Pinning lets you prioritize repos | Mar 08 19:03 |
| oiaohm | Debian I really thinks over tests stuff. | Mar 08 19:03 |
| GoForbes28 | interesting | Mar 08 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | like, if I want pidgin from testing, assuming I had pinning set up, I could apt-get -t testing update pidgin | Mar 08 19:04 |
| oiaohm | Stuff comes into unstable first. | Mar 08 19:04 |
| GoForbes28 | Yeah | Mar 08 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | and it would go look in Testing and grab everything Pidgin needs | Mar 08 19:04 |
| Ender2070 | [21:58] <GoForbes28> I would get a Canadian distro, to show my patriotism | Mar 08 19:04 |
| Ender2070 | Arch | Mar 08 19:04 |
| GoForbes28 | Sid->Testing->Stable | Mar 08 19:04 |
| GoForbes28 | Yeah, I tried Arch | Mar 08 19:04 |
| oiaohm | So lot of the really bad stuff gets weed out in Sid GoForbes28 | Mar 08 19:04 |
| GoForbes28 | too much to one side for me | Mar 08 19:04 |
| Ender2070 | OpenBSD | Mar 08 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | Testing is the best place to be if you just don't want a hassle but need a newish system | Mar 08 19:04 |
| GoForbes28 | yep, already listed that | Mar 08 19:04 |
| oiaohm | And I have run sid as well. GoForbes28 | Mar 08 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | despite the name it's pretty stable | Mar 08 19:05 |
| oiaohm | Supprisingly its not that bad. | Mar 08 19:05 |
| Ender2070 | I recommend Fedora | Mar 08 19:05 |
| GoForbes28 | I guess they prepare you for the worst | Mar 08 19:05 |
| GoForbes28 | I tried aptosid, it's a neat distro with an XFCE emphasis, but too annoying to work with | Mar 08 19:05 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: the catch is debian does not try to change what the upstream is doing. | Mar 08 19:06 |
| oiaohm | If the upstream is crap. | Mar 08 19:06 |
| oiaohm | Really you should stop using that program and find another. | Mar 08 19:06 |
| GoForbes28 | using what program? | Mar 08 19:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] The more I read about #DuckDuckGo, the more I dig it. https://duckduckgo.com/privacy.html | Mar 08 19:06 | |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu on the other hand tries to alter interface and so on | Mar 08 19:06 |
| oiaohm | Because they don't like how the upstream looks. | Mar 08 19:07 |
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| GoForbes28 | What program were you referring to? | Mar 08 19:07 |
| GoForbes28 | I agree about Ubuntu | Mar 08 19:07 |
| GoForbes28 | It is a shame that it has become #1 | Mar 08 19:07 |
| GoForbes28 | in some sense | Mar 08 19:07 |
| Ender2070 | #1 isnt always the best | Mar 08 19:07 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Its just Mandrake all over again. | Mar 08 19:07 |
| oiaohm | And redhat before them. | Mar 08 19:07 |
| Ender2070 | in fact, #1 can be pretty bad | Mar 08 19:08 |
| GoForbes28 | yep | Mar 08 19:08 |
| oiaohm | You have to remember lot of companies have held that number 1 spot | Mar 08 19:08 |
| GoForbes28 | Why Honda is in many ways better than Toyota now | Mar 08 19:08 |
| GoForbes28 | I know | Mar 08 19:08 |
| Ender2070 | i dont like to follow the masses | Mar 08 19:09 |
| GoForbes28 | Hopefully, ubuntu's recent irratic behaviour will open the door for other distros to shine in the spotlight | Mar 08 19:09 |
| GoForbes28 | me neither | Mar 08 19:09 |
| GoForbes28 | the masses just brainlessly run whatever is on their computer | Mar 08 19:09 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Mar 08 19:09 |
| GoForbes28 | Windows Vista 7 and Office 2007/2010 | Mar 08 19:09 |
| GoForbes28 | or even Microsoft Works 9 FFs | Mar 08 19:10 |
| Ender2070 | there are exceptions too | Mar 08 19:10 |
| GoForbes28 | I've seen a few actually runing Ubuntu | Mar 08 19:10 |
| Ender2070 | generally though, my own rule is if the masses support it, theres something wrong | Mar 08 19:10 |
| GoForbes28 | unless it's world peace or something | Mar 08 19:10 |
| GoForbes28 | unless that plan for world peace is misleading | Mar 08 19:11 |
| Ender2070 | there would be something wrong with that too | Mar 08 19:11 |
| GoForbes28 | yeah, you're right :) | Mar 08 19:11 |
| Ender2070 | there will always be critics | Mar 08 19:11 |
| GoForbes28 | Until the masses becomes completely rational...\ | Mar 08 19:11 |
| Ender2070 | so if you have world peace, its because you removed them ;) | Mar 08 19:11 |
| GoForbes28 | anywho | Mar 08 19:11 |
| GoForbes28 | if blag gets back on track, I'd consider it | Mar 08 19:11 |
| Ender2070 | lol blag | Mar 08 19:12 |
| Ender2070 | fedora 7 w/ linux libre right? | Mar 08 19:12 |
| GoForbes28 | Using APT instead of what Fedora uses | Mar 08 19:12 |
| oiaohm | Historically everyone who has held number 1 on distrowatch has fall due to having too many patches to maintain. | Mar 08 19:12 |
| GoForbes28 | now Fedora 14 | Mar 08 19:12 |
| Ender2070 | good stuff but i dont care for linux libre | Mar 08 19:12 |
| GoForbes28 | They've finally updated | Mar 08 19:12 |
| oiaohm | This has even included debian. | Mar 08 19:12 |
| Ender2070 | I run Fedora 14 and Jolibook on my netbook | Mar 08 19:13 |
| GoForbes28 | I was looking at Trisquel, but they use too much GNOME for my taste, do no update frequently enough | Mar 08 19:13 |
| Ender2070 | jolicloud I mean | Mar 08 19:13 |
| GoForbes28 | It's high quality for sure | Mar 08 19:13 |
| GoForbes28 | Fedora eh? | Mar 08 19:13 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Mar 08 19:13 |
| Ender2070 | they do KDE very well | Mar 08 19:13 |
| GoForbes28 | That seems to be the general choice here :) | Mar 08 19:13 |
| GoForbes28 | KDE too bloated for me, and GNOME is too bloated and stupid proof for me | Mar 08 19:13 |
| Ender2070 | well they do GNOME, KDE, LXDE, XFCE all very well | Mar 08 19:13 |
| GoForbes28 | XFCE has really been my only stable choice when it comes to GNU/Linux choices | Mar 08 19:14 |
| Ender2070 | my quad core and 8gb ram laughs at gnome and kde | Mar 08 19:14 |
| GoForbes28 | I think my Corei3 is quad | Mar 08 19:14 |
| Ender2070 | i3, might be | Mar 08 19:14 |
| GoForbes28 | the setup is a little weird and vague | Mar 08 19:14 |
| Ender2070 | no hyper threading | Mar 08 19:14 |
| GoForbes28 | It lists 4 cores, so I think so | Mar 08 19:15 |
| GoForbes28 | Should I care? | Mar 08 19:15 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Mar 08 19:15 |
| Ender2070 | the i7 would show 8 logical processors | Mar 08 19:15 |
| GoForbes28 | yeah, over kill for me | Mar 08 19:15 |
| Ender2070 | when you compile software it really shows | Mar 08 19:15 |
| GoForbes28 | coming from an Athlon 2100+ with a Radeon 9000 Pro | Mar 08 19:15 |
| GoForbes28 | For nearly 10 years | Mar 08 19:15 |
| Ender2070 | i've had this quad core for a number of years now | Mar 08 19:16 |
| Ender2070 | intel q6600 | Mar 08 19:16 |
| GoForbes28 | and 512-1gb of ram | Mar 08 19:16 |
| Ender2070 | 2.4ghz OC to 3.0Ghz | Mar 08 19:16 |
| oiaohm | Really GoForbes28 its going to be interesting to see how heavy KDE 4.x remains when at long last we get a C++ complier than can work in the next version of gcc | Mar 08 19:16 |
| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: I ran Windows XP x64 for shits and giggles, and that's what I received | Mar 08 19:16 |
| GoForbes28 | in a virtual machine, of course | Mar 08 19:16 |
| Ender2070 | oiaohm - what? | Mar 08 19:17 |
| Ender2070 | g++ has been there for years | Mar 08 19:17 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: even so, KDE always seemed too gimmick ridden | Mar 08 19:17 |
| GoForbes28 | XFCE just works for me, and is much lighter than any other mainstream desktop environment | Mar 08 19:18 |
| Ender2070 | KDE is my own preference | Mar 08 19:18 |
| GoForbes28 | I would take KDE over GNOME though | Mar 08 19:18 |
| Ender2070 | I used to use Gnome and XFCE | Mar 08 19:18 |
| Ender2070 | till KDE 4.2 | Mar 08 19:18 |
| GoForbes28 | XFCE I think is the future replacement for GNOME | Mar 08 19:18 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: really yes g++ is a C++ complier but it has not been able to optimise c++ code. | Mar 08 19:19 |
| GoForbes28 | Considering GNOME's developers are becoming as irratic as Ubuntu, plus of course the looming Mono stench | Mar 08 19:19 |
| Ender2070 | oiaohm - i call shenangians | Mar 08 19:19 |
| GoForbes28 | XFCE and Mono do not mix and never will | Mar 08 19:19 |
| Ender2070 | its been doing c++0x stuff before the standard came out | Mar 08 19:19 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: Remember I said optimsie not do but generate crappy code. | Mar 08 19:20 |
| Ender2070 | sources | Mar 08 19:20 |
| GoForbes28 | Ender2070: What is your opinion of LXDE? | Mar 08 19:20 |
| Ender2070 | goforbes28 never used it | Mar 08 19:20 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: C++ inline functions and virtual tables are now privatized more aggressively, leading to better inter-procedural optimization and faster dynamic linking. << That change in 4.6 | Mar 08 19:20 |
| oiaohm | gcc 4.6 | Mar 08 19:20 |
| GoForbes28 | AFAI can tell, it's nothing more than an XFCE derivative with openbox | Mar 08 19:20 |
| Ender2070 | I haven't bothered to get off of KDE, other than my netbook | Mar 08 19:20 |
| GoForbes28 | meaning if you run openbox with XFCE, you get comparable performance | Mar 08 19:21 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: MSVC and Borland compliers were doing that in 1996 | Mar 08 19:21 |
| Ender2070 | im not sure what jolicloud actually uses | Mar 08 19:21 |
| GoForbes28 | jolicloud is what again? | Mar 08 19:21 |
| GoForbes28 | oh | Mar 08 19:21 |
| Ender2070 | a light netbook os | Mar 08 19:21 |
| Ender2070 | built out of chromium | Mar 08 19:22 |
| GoForbes28 | for some reason, I was thinking a Free DropBox clone | Mar 08 19:22 |
| GoForbes28 | chromium with the privacy problems removed? ;) | Mar 08 19:22 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: Static constructors and destructors from individual units are inlined into a single function. This can significantly improve startup times of large C++ applications where static constructors are very common. For example, static constructors are used when including the iostream header. << Also something other C++ compliers have been doing forever. | Mar 08 19:22 |
| Ender2070 | i'd love to have jolicloud on top of Fedora | Mar 08 19:22 |
| Ender2070 | instead of its own ubuntu fork | Mar 08 19:22 |
| Ender2070 | goforbes28 - lol less issues than fireexploit | Mar 08 19:22 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: If it works well we should see some real size sheding of lot of C++ programs. | Mar 08 19:23 |
| GoForbes28 | Firefox hasn't had any privacy problems to my knowledge, except for the Google search bar | Mar 08 19:23 |
| Ender2070 | KDE was already faster than Gnome too | Mar 08 19:23 |
| Ender2070 | damn | Mar 08 19:23 |
| Ender2070 | goforbes28 -im not paranoid of google | Mar 08 19:24 |
| GoForbes28 | I'm adequately skeptical | Mar 08 19:24 |
| Ender2070 | the people you have to worry about can already decode encryption | Mar 08 19:24 |
| GoForbes28 | I appreciate what they do for Free software, but I'm not turning a blind, non-criticizing eye towards them | Mar 08 19:24 |
| Ender2070 | even the low level FBI uses PS3 beowulf clusters to crack TrueCrypt volumes | Mar 08 19:25 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: KDE faster than Gnome and the complier is tying one hand behind KDE back. | Mar 08 19:25 |
| Ender2070 | goforbes28 - im not either | Mar 08 19:25 |
| Ender2070 | goforbes28 - just look at how the browser is designed though. the code is open for people to look for google spyware. the design itself is superior because each tab gets its own process. this also benefits from multi core processors | Mar 08 19:26 |
| Ender2070 | each thread can be allocated to a seperate core | Mar 08 19:26 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: at the rate sony going FBI will not be able to get replacement parts. | Mar 08 19:26 |
| GoForbes28 | I wouldn't say the design is superior | Mar 08 19:26 |
| Ender2070 | i would | Mar 08 19:26 |
| Ender2070 | everything in firefox runs in a single process | Mar 08 19:26 |
| GoForbes28 | It takes up more mery | Mar 08 19:26 |
| Ender2070 | thats terrible, and i've had friends get hacked | Mar 08 19:26 |
| GoForbes28 | memory | Mar 08 19:26 |
| Ender2070 | im not worried about memory | Mar 08 19:27 |
| Ender2070 | im still using less ram than win7, vista | Mar 08 19:27 |
| Ender2070 | and my 8gb is laughing | Mar 08 19:27 |
| GoForbes28 | True enough | Mar 08 19:27 |
| Ender2070 | i'd rather take the speed | Mar 08 19:27 |
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| Ender2070 | firefox is so slow | Mar 08 19:27 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis you are almost out of date with that multi process comment. | Mar 08 19:27 |
| GoForbes28 | Still, I think running plugins in a seperate process will improve stability sufficiently without the need to run every tab as a seperate process | Mar 08 19:28 |
| Ender2070 | firefox4 | Mar 08 19:28 |
| Ender2070 | not out yet | Mar 08 19:28 |
| oiaohm | Read closer. Ender2070 | Mar 08 19:28 |
| GoForbes28 | Firefox 4 works fine in beta | Mar 08 19:28 |
| GoForbes28 | seems to be much faster and improved in many areas | Mar 08 19:28 |
| Ender2070 | Out-of-process tabs [sic] for Fennec is utilized in the Mobile Firefox 4.0 betas, and will ship with the final version in March 2011. | Mar 08 19:28 |
| oiaohm | Out-of-process plugins (OOPP) has shipped in Firefox 3.6.4 << even the old 3 was no longer 1 process for everything. | Mar 08 19:28 |
| Ender2070 | PLUGINS | Mar 08 19:29 |
| oiaohm | As I said almost out of date. | Mar 08 19:29 |
| Ender2070 | yeah well chrome had this 2 years ago | Mar 08 19:29 |
| Ender2070 | plus i boycott mozilla for other reasons | Mar 08 19:29 |
| GoForbes28 | Chrome also has a ridiculous interface in my humble opinion | Mar 08 19:29 |
| oiaohm | But its not 1 process for everything. Ender2070 | Mar 08 19:29 |
| Ender2070 | trademark policy and the suggestion to use bing | Mar 08 19:29 |
| GoForbes28 | It's almost like the GNOME of web browsers | Mar 08 19:30 |
| oiaohm | 1 process for everything bar the plugins. | Mar 08 19:30 |
| oiaohm | And the reason why plugins are first | Mar 08 19:30 |
| oiaohm | Is flash. | Mar 08 19:30 |
| Ender2070 | i want each tab in its own process | Mar 08 19:30 |
| Ender2070 | my cores | Mar 08 19:30 |
| oiaohm | You still want flash in independant processes to tabs of course. | Mar 08 19:30 |
| Ender2070 | i dont really want flash at all | Mar 08 19:31 |
| oiaohm | If you have to use it. | Mar 08 19:31 |
| Ender2070 | bah that will change | Mar 08 19:31 |
| Ender2070 | i can already use youtube with webm in chromium on fedora | Mar 08 19:31 |
| Ender2070 | since 13 | Mar 08 19:31 |
| Ender2070 | long before firefox supported webm | Mar 08 19:32 |
| Ender2070 | all of these little things add up in my mind | Mar 08 19:32 |
| Ender2070 | firefox is fine for other people | Mar 08 19:32 |
| oiaohm | Hmm does chrome have independant processes for extentions? | Mar 08 19:32 |
| Ender2070 | a lot of firefox users have specific addons they can't live without | Mar 08 19:32 |
| oiaohm | The firefox after 4.x gets independant processes for extentions. | Mar 08 19:33 |
| Ender2070 | alright | Mar 08 19:33 |
| Ender2070 | but im not ok with how slow firefox takes to add new things | Mar 08 19:33 |
| Ender2070 | chrome is already at version 10 | Mar 08 19:33 |
| oiaohm | Fine but to add them was a complete rewrite of core. | Mar 08 19:33 |
| Ender2070 | a shitty core | Mar 08 19:34 |
| Ender2070 | a legacy of crap code from Netscape | Mar 08 19:34 |
| oiaohm | chrome had the good luck of being able to start with a blank slate. | Mar 08 19:34 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Mar 08 19:34 |
| Ender2070 | exactly | Mar 08 19:34 |
| oiaohm | But major changes to chrome in future could be headaches as well. | Mar 08 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox is a mixed bag | Mar 08 19:34 |
| Ender2070 | firefox was better when it was phoenix and wasnt bloated like it is now | Mar 08 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | XUL is bloated but it lets extensions do a lot more than they can in Chrome | Mar 08 19:35 |
| Ender2070 | chrome managed to add more without slowing down the browser | Mar 08 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | from what I understand, chrome extensions can only be built with a subset of Javascript | Mar 08 19:35 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: chrome is multi threading. | Mar 08 19:35 |
| oiaohm | Firefox was not. | Mar 08 19:35 |
| Ender2070 | look at pwn2own too | Mar 08 19:35 |
| oiaohm | And yes luck of multi threads hurts. | Mar 08 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | and Webkit2 is going to be multithreaded in a way that Chrome isn't | Mar 08 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | so wonderful, we have more forks and less just getting along | Mar 08 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 19:36 |
| Ender2070 | forks are healthy | Mar 08 19:36 |
| Ender2070 | imo | Mar 08 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | is that why Apple couldn't work on Webkit in the open? | Mar 08 19:36 |
| oiaohm | Firefox is trying to catch up. | Mar 08 19:36 |
| GoForbes28 | Will I cause a ruckus if I mention Opera? | Mar 08 19:37 |
| Ender2070 | nah | Mar 08 19:37 |
| Ender2070 | other than it being proprietary | Mar 08 19:37 |
| oiaohm | Basically chrome caught firefox hopping. | Mar 08 19:37 |
| GoForbes28 | Too bad too, because they fight so hard for open standards | Mar 08 19:37 |
| Ender2070 | if it was open source, i'd consider opera a lot more | Mar 08 19:37 |
| GoForbes28 | and they actually innovate | Mar 08 19:37 |
| Ender2070 | opera does kick ass though | Mar 08 19:37 |
| Ender2070 | very low footprint | Mar 08 19:37 |
| oiaohm | opera is not hostile. | Mar 08 19:38 |
| GoForbes28 | Because they are a small firm and therefore have not bitten the profit-over-everything-else bug | Mar 08 19:38 |
| oiaohm | IE is hostile to standards. | Mar 08 19:38 |
| Ender2070 | i dunno | Mar 08 19:38 |
| GoForbes28 | Opera is hostile to not meeting standards | Mar 08 19:38 |
| Ender2070 | opera wanted a browser ballot on linux | Mar 08 19:38 |
| GoForbes28 | Really? Link? | Mar 08 19:38 |
| oiaohm | they gained market share when it happened on windows. | Mar 08 19:38 |
| GoForbes28 | I can understand Windows, because it has an unremovable, bundled security risk of a browser | Mar 08 19:39 |
| GoForbes28 | Though that could be because of successful recent releases | Mar 08 19:39 |
| GoForbes28 | 10 and 11 | Mar 08 19:39 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.osnews.com/story/21897/Opera_Apple_Ubuntu_Should_Include_Browser_Ballot_Screen_Too | Mar 08 19:39 |
| GoForbes28 | ok, they are being overzealous | Mar 08 19:40 |
| GoForbes28 | Having in this on Windows was a reasonable course of action | Mar 08 19:41 |
| Ender2070 | good quote | Mar 08 19:41 |
| Ender2070 | "Open your code, Lie, and then we can talk about getting you into Debian, Fedora, et. al." | Mar 08 19:41 |
| GoForbes28 | "Lie"? | Mar 08 19:41 |
| Ender2070 | the dude from Opera | Mar 08 19:41 |
| Ender2070 | Håkon Wium Lie | Mar 08 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of Opera is open source | Mar 08 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | opera:about and you'll see | Mar 08 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | they give back some code, when the license says they have to or when it suits them | Mar 08 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | no sense maintaining a tree of patches if you can upstream them | Mar 08 19:47 |
| oiaohm | there is not a browser in the market who does not use open source somewhere. | Mar 08 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | even Idiot Exploiter? | Mar 08 19:50 |
| oiaohm | Even internet explorer it could not render png or jpeg without the open source libraries. | Mar 08 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | Which Linux should I put on a laptop with 1 GB RAM, a Radeon 200m, and a Sempron 3100+? | Mar 08 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | my brother's computer died so I'm going to give him my old laptop | Mar 08 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | buy a new one | Mar 08 19:52 |
| oiaohm | I would livecd it first. | Mar 08 19:52 |
| oiaohm | Some of those devices have bios hell. | Mar 08 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | Is there a minimal desktop that wouldn't make a normal person gouge out their eyes? | Mar 08 19:53 |
| oiaohm | lxde? | Mar 08 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Mar 08 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | I might just slap Xubuntu 11.04 on there | Mar 08 19:53 |
| oiaohm | http://lxde.org/image/tid/1 DaemonFC | Mar 08 19:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Now sitting at KDE conf, we will be having a good fun today.. #kdeindia !kdeindia | Mar 08 20:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Optimizing Memory Usage for Home Dash http://mzl.la/fyUw6l | Mar 08 20:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] HTML5 won't destroy the Intertubes... it already has http://ur1.ca/3fhz6 | Mar 08 20:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Law That Removes Works from the Public Domain http://ur1.ca/3f5ea | Mar 08 20:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Pic of main hall, KDE Conf - 2011- #kdeindia #kdeconf http://www.flickr.com/photos/nsisodiya/5511349834/ | Mar 08 20:16 | |
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| DaemonFC | Information[ 13.028] (**) RADEON(0): Option "ColorTiling" "on" | Mar 08 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | Information[ 13.076] (II) RADEON(0): KMS Color Tiling: enabled | Mar 08 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | sweet | Mar 08 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 20:22 |
| Ender2070 | jolicloud | Mar 08 20:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] I think !confkdein is the tag for the conf. !kdeindia !kdeconf | Mar 08 20:31 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.gentoo.org/news/20110308-livedvd.xml | Mar 08 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | beats starting out with a tarball | Mar 08 20:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 20:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Main Hall is full, more then 250 are sitting here, big crowd, #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconf | Mar 08 20:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @mrbrown: SMRT & SBS to add 590 additional MRT train trips: http://mrbrwn.co/ebQpsc #notanelectionsweetener #sgselection #fb | Mar 08 20:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @lovenemesis RT @mohanpram 7.2 earthquake in northern Japan, Tsunami warning has been issued. | Mar 08 20:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Printing a human kidney http://is.gd/5CyihJ #tedtalks < RepRap and Makerbot could help human regeneration | Mar 08 20:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] let's create human #thingiverse to collect human parts to print on your home desjet printer (or MakerBot) ;-) | Mar 08 20:43 | |
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| james9 | does anyone when groklaw.net will be available again? | Mar 08 20:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] 7.2 earthquake in northern Japan, Tsunami warning issued. http://ur1.ca/3fiks /via @lovenemesis | Mar 08 20:48 | |
| james9 | sorry, anyone knows when groklaw.net will be back again? | Mar 08 20:48 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] How the new Kernel SRPM distribution impacts CentOS http://is.gd/ROvWmy #redhat #centos #kernel #gnu #linux #software #source | Mar 08 21:28 | |
| Ender2070 | i dont see the big deal behind the kernel srpm | Mar 08 21:41 |
| Ender2070 | its still open source | Mar 08 21:41 |
| Ender2070 | just because they don't wrap it up in nice foil with a ribbon, or on a silver platter doesn't change anything | Mar 08 21:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] still believe #Fedora should try to be embedded-friendly. #MeeGo is a try. Then again, we already have !Yocto / #OpenEmbedded and Debian | Mar 08 21:43 | |
| Ender2070 | during the dark ages, kernel devel was done via tarballs and diff patches | Mar 08 21:43 |
| Ender2070 | while walking to work uphill both ways, in the freezing cold over broken glass | Mar 08 21:44 |
| Ender2070 | barefoot | Mar 08 21:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[hisdudeness/@hisdudeness] RT@ !wikileaks : #Ellsberg & #Assange talk (video, 90 minutes) at Frontline http://is.gd/8xJGzi | Mar 08 22:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Canada: online piracy a problem hurting artists, creators and the economy? http://bit.ly/fhvGVJ #C32 #cdnpoli | Mar 08 22:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Last Discovery flight today. Makes me sad.... | Mar 08 22:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mapopa: RT @philippem_: #firebird : php5 and firebird pdo driver on rpm distro : http://ur1.ca/3fbqm | Mar 08 22:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @ardrigh: Got #fedora 15 alpha dvd install image via torrent (yes Google, TORRENT), now to crank it up on my desktop :D | Mar 08 22:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to work. | Mar 08 22:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @WebUpd8: RT @nettuts Ruby for Newbies: Working with Directories and Files http://bit.ly/hCeNi5 | Mar 08 22:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Chevenga: Philosopher in Arms : The ghost, the healer & the arms-sage. http://bit.ly/dEBzBi #Chevenga #weblit #fantasy #worthreading | Mar 08 22:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Vryka: EC 447 Minis votes for a God. http://bit.ly/ggWuOo #weblit #webfic #Minis #fantasy #worthreading | Mar 08 22:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Chestionar Microblogging in educatie: cu @ggrosseck invitam cadre didactice/cercetatori/masteranzi/doctoranzi http://url.ie/a46p - multumim. | Mar 08 22:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @planetmozilla: Meeting Notes from the Mozilla community: #Mozilla Platform Meeting Minutes: 2011-03-08 #firefox http://bit.ly/hp01fk | Mar 08 22:40 | |
| DaemonFC | Mozilla meeting...... | Mar 08 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | Agenda, discuss possible plans for Firefox 4 Beta 13-50 | Mar 08 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | Be it resolved that nobody has the time to apply one-liner patch to fix Chatzilla | Mar 08 22:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @planetmozilla: Meeting Notes from the #Mozilla community: Thunderbird Meeting Minutes: 2011-03-08: #Thunderbird http://bit.ly/e1G4oa | Mar 08 22:41 | |
| DaemonFC | Be it resolved that OpenGL compositing on Linux is fucked and will stay that way | Mar 08 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | Be it resolved that we ask SweatyB which one of his other API's to implement that competes with open standards | Mar 08 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | Be it resolved that we continue to neglect memory leaks, since jemalloc usually cleans up after us anyway | Mar 08 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | Be it resolved that multi-threaded browsers are indeed passe | Mar 08 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://forum.kernelnewbies.org/read.php?7,2399,2399,quote=1 | Mar 08 22:49 |
| *DaemonFC hit that problem | Mar 08 22:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Linux Remote Desktop For Controlling Windows XP / Vista / Server 2003 ( rdesktop ) http://is.gd/5I4z4i #rdp #windows #gnu #linux #software | Mar 08 22:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] I'm sympathetic with those with mental problems. I used to date a chronic depressed. But I can't stand paranoids. Ghaddafi behaves like one | Mar 08 22:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Om nom nom nom... | Mar 08 22:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Nothing like a new !kernel and akmods-nvidia packet in the morning and not to forget a !reboot to get you started. !Fedora oh and !coffee | Mar 08 23:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] New net rules set to make cookies crumble http://is.gd/dkV23M #web #eu #security #cookie #internet | Mar 08 23:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @WebUpd8: Linux Australia needs to lift its public profile http://bit.ly/igTCce #linux #gnu #australia | Mar 08 23:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @sjvn: RT @ZDNet: #Plaxo moving out of #social #networking... http://zd.net/dWdl0m Me: Bye. Don't bother to write. | Mar 08 23:18 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Xen magic wall hit you. | Mar 08 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | what's that? | Mar 08 23:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Mozilla urges users to update graphics drivers for Firefox 4 http://is.gd/NXQJQX #mozilla #firefox #firefox4 #web #fedora #ubuntu #romania | Mar 08 23:21 | |
| oiaohm | That xen bug. DaemonFC | Mar 08 23:23 |
| oiaohm | Its appeared and disappared may times accross linux verisons. | Mar 08 23:23 |
| oiaohm | https://lkml.org/lkml/2011/3/9/23 <, Reason why I pays to check next. DaemonFC | Mar 08 23:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Google and #Microsoft offer #Nokia hundreds of millions to abandon #MeeGo, #Symbian http://is.gd/D121Pf #android #wp7 | Mar 08 23:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] ♺ @gvs: Is this for real, !RedHat restricting GPL use of RHEL !linux? http://tinyurl.com/4htc24g | Mar 08 23:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Just upgraded !google chrome 10 stable. Hangs on loading Facebook. Iceweasel loaded it in a second. First time Chrome has hung for me. | Mar 08 23:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've just checked in at NetCologne GK-Büro Bonn http://b1t.it/byn #4sq | Mar 08 23:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] 2011 Day Against DRM http://is.gd/RtbWXH #drm #freedom #audio #video #gnu #linux #microsoft #apple #sony #ipad | Mar 08 23:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] the movie was fabulous btw :D favorite !q from deleted scene they shouldn't have, "Every man needs a hobby"~ M. Caine ... now back to work | Mar 08 00:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @evgenymorozov: So Zuckerberg's puppy can have its own Facebook page but Chinese dissidents using pseudonyms are out ... | Mar 08 00:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] I too was looking for rebels. But I was looking for them among the village headmen up in the hills. #amwriting | Mar 08 00:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Or rather #waswriting - #amgoingtobedbeforeturnintoapumpkin and if that makes sense to U, I have a 2 for 1 deal on Climate Change scientists | Mar 08 00:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @DemocracyCanada: CBC 'Question of the Day' on banning attack ads - 80% support: http://bit.ly/hOV8jD #cdnpoli #GPC /@elizabethmay | Mar 08 00:16 | |
| Ender2070 | so much for madhatter being right wing | Mar 08 00:25 |
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| Ender2070 | what a liar | Mar 08 00:25 |
| Ender2070 | welcome to the no-fact zone | Mar 08 00:31 |
| Ender2070 | http://madhatter.ca/2011/02/27/the-great-climate-change-conspiracy/ | Mar 08 00:31 |
| Ender2070 | http://green-agenda.com/globalrevolution.html | Mar 08 00:33 |
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| Ender2070 | "In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill." - The Club of Rome, The First Global Revolution | Mar 08 00:37 |
| Ender2070 | Al Gore – former VP of the USA, leading climate change campaigner, Nobel Peace Prize winner, Academy Award winner, Emmy winner. Gore lead the US delegations to the Rio Earth Summit and Kyoto Climate Change conference. He chaired a meeting of the full Club of Rome held in Washington DC in 1997. | Mar 08 00:37 |
| Ender2070 | Maurice Strong – former Head of the UN Environment Programme, Chief Policy Advisor to Kofi Annan, Secretary General of the Rio Earth Summit, co-author (with Gorbachev) of the Earth Charter, co-author of the Kyoto Protocol, founder of the Earth Council, devout Baha’i. | Mar 08 00:37 |
| Ender2070 | Mikhail Gorbachev – CoR executive member, former President of the Soviet Union, founder of Green Cross International and the Gorbachev Foundation, Nobel Peace Prize winner, co-founder (with Hidalgo) of the Club of Madrid, co-author (with Strong) of the Earth Charter. | Mar 08 00:38 |
| Ender2070 | David Rockefeller – CoR executive member, former Chairman of Chase Manhattan Bank, founder of the Trilateral Commission, executive member of the World Economic Forum, donated land on which the United Nations stands. | Mar 08 00:38 |
| Ender2070 | Bill Gates – founder of Microsoft, philanthropist | Mar 08 00:38 |
| Ender2070 | A few members or people who helped the Club of Rome | Mar 08 00:38 |
| Ender2070 | :P | Mar 08 00:38 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Gone are the days when all-nighters were possible based on willpower alone. Will finish proofing tomorrow when I can see straight. !edit | Mar 08 01:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] goodnight !identica #amsleeping zzzzz | Mar 08 01:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] I think it is time for us to once again focus on breaking up concentrated corporate power, including ending corporate personhood. | Mar 08 01:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Hard time dealing with the stifling boredom at work. I can feel my brain going flabby. | Mar 08 01:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !linuxlibre 2.6.37.3-libre and 2.6.32.32-libre2 now available | Mar 08 01:38 | |
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| Happy Mardi Gras | Mar 08 01:45 | |
| It looks like the slaughter of QT has started. | Mar 08 01:45 | |
| PJ picked up the sale of QT licensing and other business to another company. | Mar 08 01:46 | |
| http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Nokia-sells-off-commercial-and-services-arm-of-Qt-1203210.html | Mar 08 01:46 | |
| -> Nokia has announced that it is selling the commercial licensing and professional services arm of its Qt group to Digia, a Finnish services and software company. Terms of the deal were not disclosed. Nokia plans to retain all the core development, and copyright, of the Qt framework and continue development, but the business of selling Qt under its commercial licence and supporting those customers will be transferred to Digia - Nokia does | Mar 08 01:46 | |
| [PJ: Remember SCO telling the court that in SCO v. Novell that no one ever sells a business without the copyrights? Heh heh. It seems it does happen, eh?] | Mar 08 01:46 | |
| In a typical Microsoft Press assault, details are obscure but all the Microsoft friendly press are on it at once. | Mar 08 01:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @flameeyes I have a PRS-505, lovely for novels and business books, sucks for techbooks... I've seen the EeeReader, looks nicer for those. | Mar 08 01:48 | |
| I have deep suspicions of the deal, not the least of which is that this cuts Nokia off from commercial feedback and creates further complexity that will make QT more costly. | Mar 08 01:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] some people should just stick with drinking tea | Mar 08 01:50 | |
| The QT blog has lots of comments, many worried about things like how close Digia is to Microsoft. | Mar 08 01:50 | |
| http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/07/nokia-and-digia-working-together/ | Mar 08 01:51 | |
| a quick search finds plenty of tie up, including .NET praise ... | Mar 08 01:51 | |
| http://www.digia.fi/C2256FEF0043E9C1/0/405001024 | Mar 08 01:51 | |
| http://www.digia.com/C2256FEF0043E9C1/0/405000758 | Mar 08 01:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Best wishes to all women. :-) #8march | Mar 08 01:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] What’s up with SUMO – Mar. 7 http://bit.ly/elz5aU | Mar 08 01:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] #Linux #kernel 2.6.38-rc8 http://bit.ly/f87FBH "I would have been ok with releasing this as the final 38, but[...]So please keep testing," | Mar 08 02:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] Now out: Linux #stable 2.6.37.3 http://bit.ly/e9EeSM and Linux #longterm 2.6.32.33 http://bit.ly/eRYNk5 "[...] must upgrade. [...]" | Mar 08 02:06 | |
| Slashdot does maximum FUD and confusion damage. http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/03/07/1337211/Nokia-Sells-Qt | Mar 08 02:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] considers to move to Debian again... | Mar 08 02:26 | |
| KDE is not worried http://dot.kde.org/2011/03/03/qt-and-future-kde | Mar 08 02:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @kaddi: Hab Blumen und merci vom Chef zum weltfrauentag bekommen. :) | Mar 08 02:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Cool! Gameduino! http://excamera.com/sphinx/gameduino/ #fb | Mar 08 02:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @gbraad why? | Mar 08 02:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @newbintraining: 1 hour of sleep is less than optimal | Mar 08 02:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @meegocom: Looking for a MeeGo job? Looking for a MeeGo developer? We now have a MeeGo Job Board! http://bit.ly/hpAabw | Mar 08 03:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @Develop4AppUp Going to South by Southwest? We're sponsoring an award at IndiePub's first indie propeller a... http://bit.ly/g4BNCS #sxsw | Mar 08 03:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @popey: ..and people complain about #Ubuntu codenames.. #Fedora mulling "Beefy Miracle" for F16? http://popey.me/dOEvWj | Mar 08 03:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Cambridge is the natural home for The Centre for #Computing #History - http://bit.ly/gCViVe interesting project | Mar 08 03:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @quaid Smart, insightful analysis (as usual) from Jonathan Corbet: http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/431854/f79966f0fc48d91d/ | Mar 08 03:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Die wunderbare #Fail Wlet von #Netzsperren - O2 UK zeigt uns wie suppi die #BraveNewWorld sein kann - http://ur1.ca/3f847 | Mar 08 03:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] News update from The Real World: The hotdog thing isn't funny and makes us look unprofessional. !FedoraDesign | Mar 08 03:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Brazilian Beef: Greater Impact on the #Environment Than We Realize - http://bit.ly/e6Dtq1 stop chomping | Mar 08 03:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Media #Piracy in Emerging Economies - http://bit.ly/fLU94e "piracy better conceived as failure of affordable access in legal markets" | Mar 08 03:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Adobe Releases #Flash-to-#HTML5 Converter, Codenamed Wallaby - http://on.mash.to/i8Q8J8 great, but doesn't it undermine Flash? | Mar 08 03:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Free software is what we humans are talking more about - http://bit.ly/fRl93Q departing #FSF director looks back #freesw | Mar 08 03:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Good morning !identiverse :) And a cold, grey, windy, prolly rain, day it is too :( | Mar 08 03:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 3D Printed Adult's Bicycle - http://bit.ly/eHoEI4 it's the future #3dprinters | Mar 08 03:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Al Jazeera Launches #Twitter Dashboard To Track Uprisings in Egypt, Yemen, Libya & Bahrain - http://bit.ly/fdEOmp v cool #aje | Mar 08 03:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fabsh Not all are broken. I informed the author and posted a comment. | Mar 08 03:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Just to be clear: I don't give a fuck what Charlie Sheen does or doesn't do. The guy has been boring since the 90s... #yawn | Mar 08 03:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] They should get Honeydew on that show, he's a lot more funny... #Yogscast | Mar 08 03:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Prediction: Soon #Twitter will add "commercial" tweets to the API. Only clients that pay twitter will be able to get a timeline without ads. | Mar 08 03:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Spotify Reaches 1 Million Paid Subscribers - http://bit.ly/hqj90m getting there...but fast enough? | Mar 08 03:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Fear Mongering and Delusional #Piracy Report Upsets Aussies - http://bit.ly/gtI5KE more fantasy numbers from copyright companies #au | Mar 08 03:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Vote "beefy miracle" as fedora 16 codename! https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Name_suggestions_for_Fedora_16 #fb | Mar 08 03:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Virgin Media UK Begins Throttling #P2P Traffic - http://bit.ly/e6SGSF who needs #netneutrality? | Mar 08 03:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @glynmoody Fear Mongering & Delusional Piracy Report Upsets Aussies http://bit.ly/gtI5KE more fantasy numbers from copyright companies #au | Mar 08 03:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] [correct link] Al Jazeera Launches #Twitter Dashboard To Track Uprisings in Egypt, Yemen, Libya etc - http://on.mash.to/hWappi cool #aje | Mar 08 03:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] ☆ FSF Leadership Change: I got a call on Friday evening from Peter Brown, the Executive Director of the Free Sof... http://wmk.me/gJxnxA | Mar 08 03:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 99 Cent Books - http://bit.ly/dLHl8X "before the marginal price drops to zero, but that is another story" #abundance #ebooks | Mar 08 03:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @glynmoody Adobe Releases Flash-to-HTML5 Converter, Codenamed Wallaby http://on.mash.to/i8Q8J8 great, but doesn't it undermine Flash? #fb | Mar 08 03:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @ntouk just a reminder to give your guidance to the UK Government Open Standards Survey - http://svy.mk/gAVI21 #openstandards | Mar 08 03:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Yay! ♻ @glynmoody 3D Printed Adult's Bicycle - http://bit.ly/eHoEI4 it's the future #3dprinters #fb | Mar 08 03:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Wow. For the best payed actor on TV, Sheen has pretty ugly home. Don't spend all your money on blow, kids... | Mar 08 03:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @ikrshnan !Facebook will end on march 15th http://goo.gl/Clju4 !facebookfree !google !yahoo | Mar 08 03:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Will E-Book Prices & Restrictions Lead to E-Book Piracy? - http://rww.to/h6MUC5 what do you mean *will*?# | Mar 08 03:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Egypt faces new turmoil: Looted state security files | McClatchy http://is.gd/r0lMlM http://bit.ly/e1COdD | Mar 08 03:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: 100 days of Cablegate: http://www.thenation.com/slideshow/159019/slide-show-100-days-wikileakss-cablegate http://bit.ly/ebuZ6h | Mar 08 03:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Martin Albisetti: !Ubuntu, #Natty and !Unity http://goo.gl/XoGEd | Mar 08 04:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Aaron Toponce: Strong Passwords NEED Entropy http://goo.gl/dTO5m | Mar 08 04:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Prakash Advani: Samsung Galaxy S replaced by SL http://goo.gl/r9ozH !android | Mar 08 04:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Prakash Advani: Samsung Galaxy S II coming http://goo.gl/G7mBz !android | Mar 08 04:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] BTW - here the inofficial commercial for O2 UK's new filtering system - Cleanternet ;-) http://ur1.ca/x4cj </sarcasm> | Mar 08 04:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Old Armenian Doors - http://bit.ly/hEl6jF some fine #pix (v @ianyanmag) #armenia #doors | Mar 08 04:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @ioerror: So Zuckerberg's puppy can have its own Facebook page but Chinese dissidents using pseudonyms are out of luck? | Mar 08 04:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Charlie Sheen is not filial - http://bit.ly/gBIPb0 an analysis you've not seen before; fascinating cultural relativism (v @ulyssestone) | Mar 08 04:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[danebod/@danebod] Und heute um 20 Uhr zur IGGG #Drensteinfurt gegen !Fracking http://bit.ly/e8rZG2 !umwelt !klima !ppd !piratennrw !nrw | Mar 08 04:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Joran van der Sloot may only get 20 months for murdering a white chick using BS defense http://ur1.ca/3f8mj | Mar 08 04:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Parents bitch that students got punished for accusing a teacher for being a pedophile, imo students should face jail http://ur1.ca/3f8mo | Mar 08 04:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] If you want your vote to count in New Jersey, don't use electronic voting machines http://ur1.ca/3f8np | Mar 08 04:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Republicans actually are trying to kill old people http://ur1.ca/3ez0g Warning: HuffPo | Mar 08 04:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] @fabsh Its use in hacker circles is far older than Canonical and possibly Apple. | Mar 08 04:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @clacke I know. That's not the usage I object too... | Mar 08 04:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @flattrchattr: Our first Partner Highlight: aFlattr. Affiliated !Flattr http://ur1.ca/3f8qo get money while spending! \o/ | Mar 08 04:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] setting up !Debian on my Neo FreeRunner. planning to make a wireless soundcard (yay for pulseaudio & vlc!) and possibly more of it. :) | Mar 08 04:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] The only possible criticism I have for Mint is that they don't actively upstream their stuff. Other than that, it's a totally awesome. | Mar 08 04:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] OK.... Time for some eggs and coffee! | Mar 08 04:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] News, news, news! From !shr project http://blog.shr-project.org/2011/03/news-news-news.html | Mar 08 05:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Oh yeah.... Scrambled eggs with Jim Beam Spicy Bourbon sauce for breakfast is awesome stuff! | Mar 08 05:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: Smooth Inset: The First Real Theme For The New !Gnome Shell http://goo.gl/yqGBV | Mar 08 05:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @sixgun: Video release: Minecraft Adventures 2 - Surviving the First Night > http://outl.ws/eM6dTu #minecraft #linuxoutlaws | Mar 08 05:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL. ;) | Mar 08 05:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Imperial College in showdown with closed-access journals - http://bit.ly/gQLQYK kudos to Deborah Shorley: painful but necessary move #oa | Mar 08 05:25 | |
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| MinceR | geekings | Mar 08 05:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Microsoft marketing #IE at #Drupalcon #Drupal http://tighturl.com/2zoo | Mar 08 05:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Damn, people trying to legalize murdering abortion doctors et all... :( ♺ @rms: The Pro-Murder Group http://ur1.ca/3f92k | Mar 08 05:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Firefox 4: Get Tabs In The Title Bar (Like Chrome) http://bit.ly/hhUL15 | Mar 08 05:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Smooth Inset: The First Real Theme For The New Gnome Shell http://bit.ly/fAO72K | Mar 08 05:38 | |
| MinceR | http://dilbert.com/1995-03-25/ | Mar 08 05:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Timetable: ACTA from EC to European Parliament - http://bit.ly/hUrlCO need to start working on those MEPs #acta (v @jmcesteves) | Mar 08 05:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Heisse: IPFire open source firewall updates PHP http://ping.fm/g919n | Mar 08 05:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @nearyd Canonical-created initiatives have great names: "Unity", "Harmony"... unfortunately they seem to indicate the opposite of wha ... | Mar 08 05:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @stemp RD @CyanogenMod CyanogenMod-7.0.0-RC2 is here! http://dlvr.it/JZ3RP !android | Mar 08 05:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Yes!!! I think I have fixed mapping on http://alain.sixgun.org/map -- thanks to @windigo for the tip that solved it! :D | Mar 08 05:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @sixgun: The Minecraft server is back up and mapping is completely fixed now. !lo | Mar 08 06:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Hacked on a kipi plugin all night, made some nice progress. | Mar 08 06:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I don't care, I'm still free, you can't take the blocks from me. #serenity #minecraft #firefly http://ur1.ca/3f99n | Mar 08 06:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[swadeshine/@swadeshine] It's a sad state of affairs when exposing war crimes has more dire consequences than committing them. #Manning #Obama !WikiLeaks | Mar 08 06:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @yamatt: Nuclear Chicken Memorial? http://is.gd/0qU7vC | Mar 08 06:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @osamak: RT @swadeshine It's a sad state of affairs when exposing war crimes has more dire consequences than committing them. #Manning | Mar 08 06:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Draft agreement on creation of European and Community Patent Court is not compatible with European Union law http://is.gd/gwYrE5 #swpat | Mar 08 06:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Acc to #comcast btw 10/10 and 01/11: Windows phones -1.7, BB -5.4, Android +7.7, Apple +.1, Palm -.7 - http://ur1.ca/3f9em | Mar 08 06:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Note however that Comcast numbers are US only. Where 2 find similar stats for EU? | Mar 08 06:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Lasting Digital Archives: "The Millenniata writer actually laser etches physical pits into the writable layer" http://goo.gl/t8J3n | Mar 08 06:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Wrangl - http://bit.ly/hkJrHj "helps you visualise debates in an easy to read and navigate style." nice idea (v @Glinner) | Mar 08 06:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Oh god. @vk7hse loves portals, doesn't he.... :D | Mar 08 06:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Cablegate resources http://alturl.com/tqcak !wl | Mar 08 06:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Totally digging the !LO SkyNet. #Minecraft | Mar 08 06:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: 100 revelations to mark 100 days of Cablegate: http://alturl.com/rwp8v !wl | Mar 08 06:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @giuseppe: !gnu !icecat 3.6.15 released https://savannah.gnu.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=6743 | Mar 08 06:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @gandroids: Breaking News : LG Wants to Develop their Own Mobile Processors to Get a Leg Up in Smartphone Race http://tiny.ly/bhKa | Mar 08 06:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Darkness at Noon for Bradley Manning & Julian Assange http://alturl.com/7ngvx !wl | Mar 08 06:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Urethras created using patients' cells http://ping.fm/JYkML | Mar 08 06:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Mubarak's sons got more than US$187m from Israeli gas deal, says paper http://alturl.com/h5qxa !wl | Mar 08 06:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Register: BBC accused of coming out for porn opt-in? http://ping.fm/jhDDz | Mar 08 06:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @escapetofreedom: Google Android Captures #1 Position in Smartphone Market (US, January 2011) http://bit.ly/fYys4u | Mar 08 06:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @WebUpd8: Wine 1.3.15 Released http://bit.ly/erNI6v #linux | Mar 08 06:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] LinuxInsider • by Katherine Noyes: Is the iPad an iFad? http://ping.fm/eoyHO | Mar 08 06:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] EFF Sends Letter to Sony in Defense of Hackers by @fabsh http://ping.fm/RHmzt | Mar 08 06:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: US ambassadors consider Mercosur “anti-American” http://is.gd/QTKiAk !wl | Mar 08 06:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Former CIA Inspector General to speak on WikiLeaks, Wednesday in Sarasota http://is.gd/xQ5Kqf !wl | Mar 08 06:56 | |
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| gnufreex | It seems that Qt licensing sale might be an atempt to end run around Free Qt Foundation agreement | Mar 08 07:00 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Give !Linux security clearance, US told UK - Public Sector IT Projects http://ping.fm/pFfjM | Mar 08 07:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm a bit embarrassed we had to be told :( | Mar 08 07:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] since today we can call it Digia's #Qt framework? | Mar 08 07:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] 3TB Hard Drives Coming, but You?ll need a new Computer - meyers's blog http://ping.fm/4mLfS | Mar 08 07:11 | |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: Really Free QT Foundation agreement is the only thing stopping KDE from going there own path. | Mar 08 07:13 |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: Breaching it really would not be a good thing. | Mar 08 07:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Themobilemasti: Japanese scientists develop phone that feels like human skin http://ping.fm/YdR09 | Mar 08 07:13 | |
| oiaohm | gnufreex: In case of breach QT foundation would also get the right to sell commerical version. | Mar 08 07:13 |
| gnufreex | That needs to go through court since Elop will drag his feet | Mar 08 07:14 |
| gnufreex | Smartest thing to do is fork right now | Mar 08 07:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The Slur “Open Core”: Toward More Diligent Analysis - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) http://ping.fm/WViP6 | Mar 08 07:15 | |
| gnufreex | And tell Nokia to go jump | Mar 08 07:15 |
| oiaohm | No it don't | Mar 08 07:15 |
| gnufreex | Digia should go jump too | Mar 08 07:15 |
| oiaohm | Qt foundation has the right to sell commerical now. | Mar 08 07:15 |
| gnufreex | When I mean fork I mean also invoke agreement | Mar 08 07:15 |
| oiaohm | Only thing is basically operating agreement. | Mar 08 07:15 |
| oiaohm | On unified coding on QT | Mar 08 07:16 |
| oiaohm | Breach of that complete game changes very quicky. gnufreex | Mar 08 07:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Can't remember if I already posted @bkuhn's article but it'll bear repeating anyway :) | Mar 08 07:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Hypervisor supports Atom, 64-bit guest OSes - sheenasuben's blog http://ping.fm/0oYPt | Mar 08 07:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @sandersch Got my HTC Incredible S :-D it's bigger then my HTC Magic and very slightly smaller then the HTC HD (workphone). !Android | Mar 08 07:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[slated/@slated] http://slated.org/copygate_exposes_ugly_ubuntu | Mar 08 07:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] RT @nicubunu Blog: Breaking News: Fedora 15 *Beta* leaked! Now with desktop icons!: The Alpha release of Fedora 15 is expecte... http:// ... | Mar 08 07:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[slated/@slated] http://slated.org/copygate_exposes_ugly_ubuntu #Ubuntu #Copygate #Bansheegate #Peanutgate #Banshee #Gnome | Mar 08 07:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Debian Squeeze. Installing Dropbox > install libnautilus-extension-dev & python-docutils then ./configure > make > make install | Mar 08 07:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I mention this cos Dropbox's Deb file seems to be prepared for !Ubuntu and won't work in !Debian Squeeze, or wouldn't for me at any rate | Mar 08 07:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] What do alpine steinbock and arctic crustaceans have in common? Climate Change - http://bit.ly/gNkc6F and so it goes on | Mar 08 08:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Coming soon: Pirated movies in 3D - http://bit.ly/gCEhRu an arms race industry will never win #piracy #3d | Mar 08 08:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] When is a PC not PC? When it's a unified European one - http://bit.ly/fNtXnJ another #swpats by the backdoor attempt blocked (v @glynwintle) | Mar 08 08:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Governments press #ICANN over new domain rules - http://cnet.co/fJD7Gh things getting heavy (v @rmack) | Mar 08 08:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @luisroca A !Perl sonnet I wrote and posted on !Perl Monks recently in honor of my trip to Nicaragua http://www.perlmonks.org/?node_i ... | Mar 08 08:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Think it's time to tear @barrysookman a new one. | Mar 08 08:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Vryka: EC 446 What to do. http://bit.ly/ggWuOo #weblit #webfic #fantasy #Minis #reading | Mar 08 08:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] explained a colleague I not against paying for games as 'free' (of charge), but believe more in a model reform; micropayment, eval. use, etc | Mar 08 08:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @missoularedhead: New blogpost: would you do what teachers do if you made what they make? http://bit.ly/i6fsfQ | Mar 08 08:38 | |
| amarsh04 | http://smarthouse.com.au/Gaming/Industry/V6D8W3S7 | Mar 08 08:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thetecheye: Virgin starts throttling customers - Beardie miffed by P2P http://bit.ly/hyykLc #internet | Mar 08 08:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @MeaganTrush: New blog post in the spirit of International Women's Day: http://ow.ly/49S7b | Mar 08 08:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] collaboration's demise - http://bit.ly/hmKmsZ "I am fully aware that the content of this blog entry is potentially incendiary"; what fun | Mar 08 08:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Adobe Flash Player 10.3 Linux Beta Released: Adobe's just released their first beta of Flash Player 10.3 for Win... http://bit.ly/i0rLaZ | Mar 08 08:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @fontana @bkuhn !LO episodes are structured somewhat like Roman Catholic masses | Mar 08 08:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @bkuhn @fontana, what I find #disturbing about lawyers controlling policy is attempts to do so in fields where they lack expertise (e ... | Mar 08 08:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @glynmoody: 3D Printed Adult's Bicycle - http://bit.ly/eHoEI4 it's the future #3dprinters - bye bye CCM! | Mar 08 08:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] all that stuff on #alain is 'made by hand'? #OMFG... you seriously need a real job or a hobby! #leisuretime | Mar 08 08:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @nearyd Canonical-created initiatives have great names: "Unity", "Harmony"... unfortunately they seem to indicate the opposite of wha ... | Mar 08 08:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #China’s #green era begins - http://bit.ly/hhCAiq to “construct a resource-conserving and environmentally friendly society”; let's hope... | Mar 08 08:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @thetecheye: Western Digital and Hitachi are going to eat Seagate for breakfast http://bit.ly/fn7COg - Cannibals at the Gates! | Mar 08 08:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Android Market: XSS hole allows unauthorised installation of apps http://ping.fm/3ifyX | Mar 08 08:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Break the rules, get the coins: how one man "crashed" a GDC panel - http://bit.ly/hoaZ64 I can't follow this story; luckily, I don't care... | Mar 08 08:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: CPC MP Colin Carrie was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 08 http://bit.ly/gOmt0V | Mar 08 08:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Packetstorm: Anonymous Targets Manning Jailers http://ping.fm/EFcth | Mar 08 08:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: CPC MP Larry Miller was lobbied by University of Saskatchewan on Feb. 07 http://bit.ly/eGR5jR | Mar 08 08:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Wayne Easter was lobbied by University of Saskatchewan on Feb. 07 http://bit.ly/fUNQji | Mar 08 08:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: CPC MP Pierre Lemieux was lobbied by University of Saskatchewan on Feb. 07 http://bit.ly/gpkS4Z | Mar 08 08:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: CPC MP Randy Hoback was lobbied by University of Saskatchewan on Feb. 07 http://bit.ly/dG1jRK | Mar 08 08:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Derek Lee was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 15 http://bit.ly/hmJasq | Mar 08 08:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] OK bad credit there. That last story was actually from Forbes | Mar 08 08:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Kirsty Duncan was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 15 http://bit.ly/idmDf0 | Mar 08 08:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Bonnie Crombie was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 15 http://bit.ly/dH2YFP | Mar 08 08:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Alan Tonks was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 15 http://bit.ly/eZFYkR | Mar 08 08:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] SXSWi: The open agenda | http://bit.ly/fRIjO9 #opensource #collaboration | Mar 08 08:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Judy Sgro was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 15 http://bit.ly/eZZvYC | Mar 08 08:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: CPC MP Mike Wallace was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 08 http://bit.ly/hZflpL | Mar 08 08:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: Lib. MP Francis Valeriote was lobbied by University of Saskatchewan on Feb. 07 http://bit.ly/fwR6i3 | Mar 08 08:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @lobbywatcher: CPC MP Terence Young was lobbied by Canadian Generic Pharmaceutical Association (CGPA) on Feb. 08 http://bit.ly/dIsO1X | Mar 08 08:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] And this is the story that confused me: Hacker Kills His Own Pwn2Own Bug For Android Phones ≈ Packet Storm http://ping.fm/iOjnw | Mar 08 08:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'm not gonna be able to post news properly today. I have my mind on other things. So maybe a day offline is in order | Mar 08 08:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @dduane: RT @The_WhiteWitch: I may be an evil tyrant, but I earn 16% less than Lord Voldemort or Darth Vader. #internationalwomensday | Mar 08 09:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Kernel prepatch 2.6.38-rc8 http://lwn.net/Articles/432000/rss | Mar 08 09:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @ThePMSaidSo: RT @ragouri: My next follower will be #300. Didn't realize there were that many printer cartridge spammers in the world. | Mar 08 09:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Anti-corruption chief on Kenyan kleptocracy http://alturl.com/vrhze !wl | Mar 08 09:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: #China’s #green era begins - http://bit.ly/hhCAiq to “construct a resource-conserving and environmentally friendly society”... | Mar 08 09:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] PLoS ONE, #OpenAccess, and the Future of Scholarly Publishing - http://bit.ly/fFuTt6 important, massive (42 pp) essay from Richard Poynder | Mar 08 09:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: Onions Against Dictators: Torservers.net. Torservers.net gets $10K from Access Now http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49858 | Mar 08 09:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: When is a PC not PC? When it's a unified European one - http://bit.ly/fNtXnJ another #swpats by the backdoor attempt blocked.. | Mar 08 09:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] The political agenda of #Facebook and #Google http://ur1.ca/3fab4 #sex_math_programming A rant off an #npr story | Mar 08 09:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: 4,700,00 Australian file sharing thieves. 'Struth!' http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49859 | Mar 08 09:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] LLVM 2.9 Begins Lining Up For Release: Not only is GCC 4.6 on the way, but the developers at Apple and elsewhere... http://bit.ly/e5t5WS | Mar 08 09:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ebooks: durability is a feature, not a bug - http://bit.ly/gJ3nxh quite: another sign publishers just don't get it #ebooks #publishing | Mar 08 09:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] How the Department of Justice Colluded With Bank Of America To Destroy Wikileaks and Silence Journalists http://is.gd/mdUWxL !wl | Mar 08 09:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @BarrettBrownLOL: FBI should recuse itself from #anonymous investigation until we're done investigating FBI - ROFLMAO | Mar 08 09:26 | |
| speexbTniPA | There is a lot of comment spam in the techrights wiki now. | Mar 08 09:27 |
| speexbTniPA | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=Special:RecentChanges&feed=rss | Mar 08 09:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Video of Mark Pesce's LCA keynote available http://lwn.net/Articles/432010/rss | Mar 08 09:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @HDInstitute: Agnes Macphail, Canada's first female MP contributed to the reform of the Canadian penal system. http://ow.ly/49jAd #IWD11 | Mar 08 09:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Take action to support a significant drawdown of troops from Afghanistan by July http://bit.ly/dImug3 | Mar 08 09:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @doctorow: POKE THE BOX: @sethgodin's DO SOMETHING NOW manifesto http://tinyurl.com/5uryate #inspiring | Mar 08 09:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Damn, too many people have been saying interesting things today. Never mind the lobbying. I only retweeted the part that looked IP related. | Mar 08 09:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #WIPO & the future of #copyright - http://bit.ly/f4nMzN "affirms the winds of #change that have been sweeping through that institution" | Mar 08 09:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks editorial: 100 days of Cablegate http://alturl.com/rrdxp !wl | Mar 08 09:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] OHIP - bureaucracy over rules common sense in breast cancer case: http://bit.ly/hZr74K #cancer #ohip #bastards | Mar 08 09:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tuxradar/@tuxradar] Your opinions wanted for our podcast Open Ballot: does free software need a figurehead like RMS? http://tinyurl.com/4wb3onj | Mar 08 09:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I'd forgotten how good Gwibber 1.2 was - and it is good (Moving to Debian Squeeze) | Mar 08 09:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] The Middle East feminist revolution | Al Jazeera http://is.gd/dKyh3q !wl | Mar 08 09:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] What the hell went wrong! (with Gwibber 2+) | Mar 08 09:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Mendeley Launches $10,001 API Contest for Open Science Apps - http://rww.to/f1UJ6G nice, but open source would have been nicer | Mar 08 10:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] What do you want to ask 1,200 CS professors? | http://bit.ly/fNVzje #opensource #collaboration #SIGCSE | Mar 08 10:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @graziano: #firefox probably back in !debian 7. Talks in progress: http://ur1.ca/33nny !fsf !icecat !lpit | Mar 08 10:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @mvalente: "Daqui a 1 ano não existirá Guantanamo!" http://goo.gl/kkmCH #obama #palhaço #demagogo #patos | Mar 08 10:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @mvalente: "Adobe releases Flash to HTML5 converter" http://goo.gl/ZyZBu Love being right... http://goo.gl/LlBlD #eatmyshorts #naysayers | Mar 08 10:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] StatCounter: #Android tops #BlackBerry globally for the first time - http://bit.ly/eQGKGx how long before it tops everything? | Mar 08 10:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] just got a robo-marketing call from a withheld number which reserved my line even after hanging up several times, I'm with the #TPS too | Mar 08 10:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Belgien diskutiert Netzsperren und 3-Strikes - http://bit.ly/fe8KQI bad #Belgium #3strikes #hadopi | Mar 08 10:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Fedora 15 Alpha is out. Help test and break it! http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease #fb | Mar 08 10:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Feds finally extend security baseline to Red Hat (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/humdAS | Mar 08 10:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] GAH ! youtube now making it compulsory to link to a google account. I was holding out for quite a while there :| | Mar 08 10:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Adobe releases Flash to HTML converter(InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/fBcaaK | Mar 08 10:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ars technica: Future of Qt brighter after Digia buys licensing biz from Nokia http://goo.gl/nf5K0 | Mar 08 10:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Potential Open Source License Violations In #Android and #iOS Apps? - http://bit.ly/fvPvMI highly likely, I would have thought #licensing | Mar 08 10:13 | |
| MinceR | http://www.reddit.com/tb/fzkvf | Mar 08 10:19 |
| MinceR | :facepalm: | Mar 08 10:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] VMware releases vCenter configuration management software (Network World): http://bit.ly/e9p1sl | Mar 08 10:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] !OpenMoko !Freerunner: probably the only "obsolete" phone that keeps getting better. New kconfig == 5% to 10% faster http://is.gd/1XE53m | Mar 08 10:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] they offered #Marks&Spencer gift vouchers for entry, so there's another connection for the police to investigate to find their identiy | Mar 08 10:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Wikileaks exposes illegal logging in Peru http://is.gd/jHNhnc !wl | Mar 08 10:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Thomas: That's it, we're quitting http://lwn.net/Articles/432017/rss | Mar 08 10:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Why Pwn2Own doesn't target !Linux By Sean Michael Kerner http://is.gd/H4eTZA | Mar 08 10:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Last Call: Ontology for Media Resources 1.0 http://ow.ly/1bFxSo | Mar 08 10:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻@telecomix Behold the rise of #INTERCOM: Emergency Communication Division - http://intercom.gs #emcom #telecomix #libya #whitefax #hamradio | Mar 08 10:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @ruiseabra !OpenMoko !Freerunner: probably the only "obsolete" phone that keeps getting better. New kconfig == 5% to 10% faster http: ... | Mar 08 10:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Alpha version of !Fedora 15 released - The H Open Source: News and Features http://ping.fm/iWZgo | Mar 08 10:38 | |
| GoForbes28 | MinceR: So how exactly are the programs going to terminate completely? Or are they not? | Mar 08 10:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Wikileaks Editorial - 100 Days of Cablegate - http://bit.ly/i681X3 no word of a faster release cycle... (V @WLLegal) | Mar 08 10:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] Back to using the Beagle as a laptop desk. He's feeling needy today, and just has to be on my lap. | Mar 08 10:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Fedora Alpha is getting plenty of coverage. Internet news » http://goo.gl/e0Qua | Mar 08 10:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Chevenga: Philosopher in Arms 448 tser : The ghost of Mana visits me. http://bit.ly/dEBzBi #amwriting #Chevenga #weblit | Mar 08 10:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @Emma_A: RT @MsInformation: Every day should be #InternationalWomensDay. Rock on, ladies! #Anonymiss | Mar 08 10:45 | |
| GoForbes28 | MinceR: That entire article was, wow... | Mar 08 10:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I seriously considered Fedora, but I want a system I can stay with for a while now cos life's getting busier and that means Debian | Mar 08 10:46 | |
| MinceR | GoForbes28: they don't care, they're crApple cultists | Mar 08 10:47 |
| MinceR | they have crApple "thinking" | Mar 08 10:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Fedora 15 Lovelock Alpha Arrives: Dennis Gilmore has announced the official release of Fedora 15 Alpha. This nex... http://bit.ly/ghyxRc | Mar 08 10:48 | |
| MinceR | and their working assumption is that _every_ user is a complete idiot who refuses to learn anything about computers | Mar 08 10:48 |
| speexbTniPA | FWIW 2001 marks the 20th anniversary of PGP | Mar 08 10:51 |
| speexbTniPA | I notice everything is much more centralized and censorized since then, the days of Usenet. | Mar 08 10:52 |
| speexbTniPA | 2001 -> 2011 | Mar 08 10:52 |
| MinceR | it seems so | Mar 08 10:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Which spelling libs do I need for !Gwibber 1.2 in !Debian !Squeeze? | Mar 08 10:58 | |
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| GoForbes28 | http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/5675/125/ | Mar 08 10:59 |
| GoForbes28 | "The factor common to successful low-cost models, our work suggests, is neither strong enforcement against pirates nor the creative use of digital distribution, but rather the presence of firms that actively compete on price and services for local customers. Such competition is endemic in some media sectors in the United States and Europe, where digital distribution is reshaping media access around lower price points. It is widespread in India, | Mar 08 10:59 |
| GoForbes28 | where large domestic film and music industries dominate the national market, set prices to attract mass audiences, and in some cases compete directly with pirate distribution. And it is a small but persistent factor in the business software sector, where open-source software alternatives (and increasingly, Google and other free online services) limit the market power of commercial vendors." | Mar 08 10:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @gbraad ok. debian is good as well. | Mar 08 11:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] @evan I've never listened closely enough to that terrible song to hear the homophobia. Good times. | Mar 08 11:00 | |
| GoForbes28 | Yeah, I know the terms used in the study are inaccurate and stupid | Mar 08 11:00 |
| GoForbes28 | but at least it provides more evidence that the good infailable conglomerates are wrong | Mar 08 11:01 |
| GoForbes28 | and can be used as another piece of evidence against their reign of ignorance | Mar 08 11:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Curses, the dorm market is stocking clif bars again. *gobbles down the fourth one* | Mar 08 11:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Oh doesn't look like Spelling was in 1.2 - never mind I'll just have to be more careful that's all | Mar 08 11:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @p2pnet: p2pnet under threat. Again. This time, it's Getty Images http://www.p2pnet.net/story/49857 | Mar 08 11:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: StatCounter: #Android tops #BlackBerry globally for the first time - http://bit.ly/eQGKGx how long before it tops everything? | Mar 08 11:03 | |
| GoForbes28 | gnufreex, your thoughts? | Mar 08 11:03 |
| gnufreex | GoForbes28 about what? | Mar 08 11:04 |
| gnufreex | ahh | Mar 08 11:04 |
| gnufreex | that | Mar 08 11:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Potential Open Source License Violations In #Android and #iOS Apps? - http://bit.ly/fvPvMI highly likely, I would have thought | Mar 08 11:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: Wikileaks Editorial - 100 Days of Cablegate - http://bit.ly/i681X3 no word of a faster release cycle... (V @WLLegal) | Mar 08 11:05 | |
| GoForbes28 | As I said, the lingo in the study is the typical "piracy" and "open-source" B.S. and generalizations | Mar 08 11:05 |
| GoForbes28 | but the conclusions seem reasonable for once | Mar 08 11:05 |
| gnufreex | No time to read, but it seems they say piracy is not that bad? | Mar 08 11:06 |
| gnufreex | Correct? | Mar 08 11:06 |
| GoForbes28 | yeah, and that the other studies and arguments used thus far suck and are laughably dated, particularly in concepts and terms | Mar 08 11:06 |
| gnufreex | Bookmarking now, will be back later. | Mar 08 11:07 |
| gnufreex | Have to go | Mar 08 11:07 |
| GoForbes28 | bbs | Mar 08 11:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @encyclomundi: For International Women's Day books by and about women http://booklover206.tumblr.com | Mar 08 11:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Craigslist Founder Launches craigconnects: “The Biggest Thing In My Life” - http://tcrn.ch/dVOkNW only connect... #nonprofits | Mar 08 11:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @mcastel in !Ubuntu I have at least four #git clients for free. In Mac OS it seems I have to pay no less than 31.99 EUROS #iuseubunt ... | Mar 08 11:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Jolicloud Becomes Joli OS, Announces Cross-Platform Apps http://ping.fm/8oOMX | Mar 08 11:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] ♺ @biglesp: @heeed will have to setup a !crunchbang installfest for !oggcamp @corenominal ;) | Mar 08 11:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Participate in !Free!Music!Week 2011 http://mkzä.de/785 recommend CC-licensed music, use tag #37cc | Mar 08 11:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Ostatic: What if Hewlett-Packard Bought !RedHat? http://ping.fm/FyItl | Mar 08 11:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] A Kafkaesque Data-trail: the Hunt for “Europe’s Hidden Billions” - http://bit.ly/eLPacv great work despite the obstacles #capitalism #eu | Mar 08 11:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Jolicloud Becomes Joli OS, Announces Cross-Platform Apps - http://rww.to/gsEwHA interesting stuff, but still not really convinced | Mar 08 11:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] InMobi Adds More Evidence That #Android Is #Winning (With 37 Percent Mobile #Ad Share) - http://tcrn.ch/dF9VBx as if we needed any | Mar 08 11:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Some MeeGo architecture changes announced http://lwn.net/Articles/432053/rss | Mar 08 11:46 | |
| lol, zuckerberg complains that people he can't identify lack integrity. http://lauren.vortex.com/archive/000823.html | Mar 08 11:49 | |
| Facebook commenting systems don't spell bad news for spammers and trolls, many of whom are PR people with "pre aged" persona. | Mar 08 11:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] more originality from #Hollywood http://tighturl.com/2zp9 sorry, that was a misleading dent, just practising my marketing skills ;P | Mar 08 11:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @firusvg: Adobe Releases Flash to HTML5 Conversion Tool http://rww.to/hnzvC5 /via @Scobleizer @RWW | Mar 08 12:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] #wobwubwobblewobblewubwub | Mar 08 12:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] NEWS: Keynotes, program and more today announced for upcoming Collaboration Summit: http://bit.ly/esCpS9 #lfcollab | Mar 08 12:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxfoundation: Original: Looking for a MeeGo Job? Looking for a MeeGo Developer? http://bit.ly/gPvopt #linux #mobile #jobs | Mar 08 12:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @arstechnica: Hackers spear-phish, infiltrate French Ministry of Finances: http://t.co/04kpmSO by @drpizza #security | Mar 08 12:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Artykuł na temat spotkania NGOsów w sprawie akcji Stop Cenzurze 2 - na stronie !FWiOO: ur1.ca/3fbim | Mar 08 12:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] The Direction Of ATI Radeon Graphics In Ubuntu 11.04: With Ubuntu 11.04 arriving in a little more than a month, ... http://bit.ly/gcPuR1 | Mar 08 12:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Flash 10.2 Found To Be Crashtastic http://is.gd/j5VCls #adobe #flash #software | Mar 08 12:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @firusvg: Adobe Releases Flash to HTML5 Conversion Tool http://rww.to/hnzvC5 /via @Scobleizer @RWW | Mar 08 12:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Amazing Toroidal Knots! - http://bit.ly/dN45QF yours to print out and keep (if you have as #3dprinter...) #thingiverse | Mar 08 12:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] This is pretty crazy: http://ur1.ca/3fbj2 Courtesy of @rms | Mar 08 12:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL. Seems like my !Minecraft videos are converting quite a few people to the game... | Mar 08 12:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @bkuhn: Do PPL who use services in the .ly domain (s. as bit.ly via #Twitter) realize they're helping fund the oppressive regime in Libya? | Mar 08 12:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @danielmarti: #Nokia appoints new head of #MeeGo #gnu #linux efforts: Sebastian Nyström. http://ur1.ca/3fbbg | Mar 08 12:25 | |
| ha ha, more "IP courts" don't always add up to more influence for US companies. http://spectrum.ieee.org/consumer-electronics/audiovideo/taiwan-patent-court-a-concern-for-us-tech-firms | Mar 08 12:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] ♺ @climagic: sleep 8h # Because you can't do this in real life. | Mar 08 12:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] James Bond in Drag For International Women’s Day - http://bit.ly/dNal6t nicely done... #iwd | Mar 08 12:26 | |
| PJ says quotes it, "U.S. companies have sought speedier decisions through reforms and a dedicated IP Court [in Taiwan]. But now that the court is in session, the new legal system is speedily dismissing U.S. patent holders' claims. [PJ: File under You Reap What You Sow.] | Mar 08 12:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Wooooo! Alpha of F15 is out: http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease -- gotta try this soon! | Mar 08 12:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @henryconcep: #Fedora 15 #Lovelock Alpha Arrives http://bit.ly/hE7Zjp (love the codename) #gnu #linux #software | Mar 08 12:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] ♺ @henriksonj: RT @grateful__dead: RIP Pigpen 3-8-1973 "RONALD C. McKERNAN 1945–1973 PIGPEN WAS AND IS NOW FOREVER ONE OF THE GRATEFUL DEAD" | Mar 08 12:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @zotz in what sense? | Mar 08 12:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] RT @bkuhn Do people who use services in the .ly domain (such as bit.ly via #Twitter) realize they are helping fund the oppressive regime ... | Mar 08 12:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Del Mastro says some witnesses are trying to "game" the C-32 process - trying to go last which accounts for sked problems. #c32 | Mar 08 12:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC explains work on behalf of creators - w/SAC, Doc Org of Canada, independent authors w/Google book settlement. #c32 | Mar 08 12:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh I downloaded a daily image from a few days ago and it was quite impressive. Although the UI is less configurable, it's no longer slow | Mar 08 12:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh At least with my hardware :) | Mar 08 12:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC supports C-32's fair dealing, consumer exceptions, user gen content prov; but dig locks hurts consumers & creators #c32 | Mar 08 12:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @aprilorg: Logiciel Libre et Cantonales 2011 : l'April relance l'opération "un tract, un pacte!" http://ur1.ca/3fb4v #april | Mar 08 12:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @artandwriting: Hey tweeps, who are your favorite female artists & writers? #internationalwomensday - Lois McMaster Bujold! | Mar 08 12:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: .@russellmcormond "anytime you hear lock, you must ask who owns the key": purpose is to lock out the owner. #c32 | Mar 08 12:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @lovenemesis: Multi screens and HDMI support of #AMD is much better than #NVIDIA on #Linux. #gnu | Mar 08 12:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Garneau says he shares CIPPIC's view on digital locks. It supports need to link circumvention with copyright infringement. #c32 | Mar 08 12:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @flameeyes: @carlopiana: I wonder if we can say the same by paying Italian taxes...<that is arguably unescapable ;-) | Mar 08 12:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC says stat damage change removes coercive effect on individuals for "30 images on a site" [abt what McTeague's doing]#c32 | Mar 08 12:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC: Digital lock rules & restrictive fair dealing a problem for doc film makers that is only going to grow over time. #C32 | Mar 08 12:33 | |
| DaemonFC | Why does Google say a bug is "Linux only" when the bug is in the X.org X Server? | Mar 08 12:34 |
| DaemonFC | that means it could apply to any operating system that uses X.org's X Server | Mar 08 12:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Angus: What concerns me abt C-32 is that it guarantees consumer rights but users may not be able to exercise due to locks. #c32 | Mar 08 12:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC: Two constitutional problems in C-32: 1. Digital lock rules 2. Charter concerns w/restrictions freedom of expression #c32 | Mar 08 12:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @schestowitz Forbes Estimates M$ Down to 75% Share of PCs http://ur1.ca/3eu8f #gnu #linux #mac #apple #windows | Mar 08 12:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC: Educational fair dealing most misunderstood provision in C-32: does not permit wholesale copying as some suggest. #c32 | Mar 08 12:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @mohanpram: Future of #Qt brighter after Digia buys licensing biz from #Nokia http://ur1.ca/3fawh | Mar 08 12:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: CIPPIC: C-32 fair dealing gives teachers confidence to bring tech into class & allows students bring their content to class #c32 | Mar 08 12:35 | |
| DaemonFC | OpenBSD gets to go on and on about not having security bugs that often in the default configuration because the default configuration doesn't have things like X11, or web browser, or even a graphical user interface (desktop environment) | Mar 08 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | to say nothing of the fact that most of the network services are either not there or disabled | Mar 08 12:36 |
| DaemonFC | so it's really secure because they don't include anything that enables the computer to do anything but sit there, hum, and use electricity | Mar 08 12:37 |
| or run SSH | Mar 08 12:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @missoularedhead: For Lent, I've decided to give up giving something up. | Mar 08 12:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Can't wait to run the F-15 "Eagle" ...eh... I mean "Pubic Hair" release. :D | Mar 08 12:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] @fabsh it's not a direct effect. .ly is held by Lybian government. The more popular .ly is, the more domains they sell (see .tv) | Mar 08 12:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Bloc puts forward motion to ask isoHunt's Gary Fung to appear before C-32 committee. #c32 | Mar 08 12:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Hey Banglore ! I am Here .. KDE conf.. 2011, @kdeindia | Mar 08 12:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Del Mastro notes isoHunt currently before the courts & don't want to hurt industry case against site [using current law] #c32 | Mar 08 12:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @mgeist: Consensus that no motion but will invite isoHunt's Fung to appear before the C-32 committee. #c32 | Mar 08 12:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I think people who think boycotting .ly changes anything are deluding themselves. Writing to the UN would probably accomplish a lot more... | Mar 08 12:38 | |
| DaemonFC | if you were keeping score, you'd probably find that 90% or more of the security bugs in a Linux distribution are only there when the user has X, a GUI, and nifty things like web browsers and media players and instant messengers and SAMBA, and CUPS, an.... | Mar 08 12:39 |
| DaemonFC | so it comes down to the fact that almost every feature you use will bring security bugs with it | Mar 08 12:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @LucianSavluc: Carnival in Brazil 2011 - The joy of color, wonderful images - http://is.gd/govPob | Mar 08 12:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @TechCrunch: OpenText Acquires Mobile App Deployment Software Maker weComm http://tcrn.ch/gnbsmc by @robinwauters | Mar 08 12:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @JesseBrown: Did @CharlieAngusMP violate Warner Music's ©? The CBC's? Does DMCA have jurisdiction in Canada? Podcast http://bit.ly/f6JeIE | Mar 08 12:40 | |
| I'm not sure why people run samba | Mar 08 12:40 | |
| DaemonFC | they split a lot of hairs with OpenBSD, I'm not so sure it's any more secure than FreeBSD or Linux distributions in a similar configuration | Mar 08 12:40 |
| and I'm not fond of CUPS web control | Mar 08 12:40 | |
| DaemonFC | Mozilla closes a dozen or more security bugs in Firefox alone every month, let's worry about what this ralink driver is up to | Mar 08 12:41 |
| DaemonFC | tin foil hat to the extreme :) | Mar 08 12:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @popey: @bkuhn Does that mean people who own .com domains help support the regime in the USA? #guantanamo | Mar 08 12:41 | |
| there's nothing silly about looking at drivers | Mar 08 12:41 | |
| DaemonFC | any operating system that preoccupied with security and bug audits wouldn't even offer Xulrunner | Mar 08 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not real impressed with Mozilla to be honest | Mar 08 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | Chatzilla broke in October, the patch to fix it is one line in a script that only affects Chatzilla | Mar 08 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | and they still haven't applied it :) | Mar 08 12:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[demuxer/@demuxer] 100 Days of !Cablegate http://rod.gs/Sqg Keep it going !wikileaks | Mar 08 12:43 | |
| DaemonFC | their bug fixing policy could use some work, because it seems in some cases they leave bugs open for months or more when the patch to fix them is trivial and if applied, it only affects the thing that broke anyway :) | Mar 08 12:44 |
| Do you still run Vista, DaemonFC? | Mar 08 12:44 | |
| DaemonFC | no | Mar 08 12:44 |
| good for you | Mar 08 12:44 | |
| DaemonFC | I tinkered with Vista for a while until I figured there was just no way to work around all that was wrong with it | Mar 08 12:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @fontana: I am hereby placing the (still draft) !Fedora Project Contributor Agreement http://ur1.ca/3fbit under !CC -0 http://ur1.ca/3fbiu | Mar 08 12:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] +1 ♺ @aptidude: @fabsh I'm boycotting people who boycott. | Mar 08 12:45 | |
| do you run any version of Windows? | Mar 08 12:45 | |
| DaemonFC | I have Windows XP in a KVM virtual machine | Mar 08 12:45 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 08 12:45 |
| DaemonFC | I would use Xen, but that's not going to happen | Mar 08 12:46 |
| DaemonFC | I tried using it in Xen and it wouldn't even start up | Mar 08 12:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mettaben/@mettaben] ♻ @swadeshine It's a sad state of affairs when exposing war crimes has more dire consequences than committing them. #Manning !WikiLeaks | Mar 08 12:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Prisoners Help Build Patriot Missiles | Wired http://is.gd/fQtIFL !wl | Mar 08 12:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[1g0r/@1g0r] ♺ @mettaben: ♻ @swadeshine It's a sad state of affairs when exposing war crimes has more dire consequences than committing them #Manning !wl | Mar 08 12:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @nybill: @windigo You are a living archive! ;) | Mar 08 12:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @beefymiracle: Do it with relish! Check out http://beefymiracle.org and think of me for #Fedora 16! | Mar 08 12:53 | |
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| Michael Moore on the war against the middle class http://www.alternet.org/economy/150139/michael_moore:_the_smug_wealthy_have_gone_too_far_--_and_we're_finally_fighting_back?utm_source=feedblitz&utm_medium=FeedBlitzRss&utm_campaign=alternet | Mar 08 12:57 | |
| better link http://www.alternet.org/economy/150139/michael_moore:_the_smug_wealthy_have_gone_too_far_--_and_we're_finally_fighting_back?page=entire | Mar 08 12:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] The World’s First Goateed Robot Is Unbelievably Creepy (Gawker): http://gaw.kr/geW8WB | Mar 08 13:00 | |
| sultan2 | What?! This economics illiteral (Moore) | Mar 08 13:00 |
| I think there is a tremendous generational divide between people now in power who grew up with the opportunities of the late 60s and 70s and the rest of us who have been steadily locked out. | Mar 08 13:00 | |
| sultan2 | Listen to Alex Jones http://www.infowars.com/ | Mar 08 13:00 |
| sultan2 | Is twitter a bot? | Mar 08 13:00 |
| I'm a person, thank you. | Mar 08 13:01 | |
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| http://slashdot.org/~twitter/journal/217907 | Mar 08 13:01 | |
| Moore's observations are close to the ground and often insightful | Mar 08 13:02 | |
| Diablo-D3 | sultan2: are you fucking kidding me | Mar 08 13:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | infowars == fail | Mar 08 13:02 |
| sultan2 | Freedomain Radio, then | Mar 08 13:03 |
| His examples, teachers, nurses, airline pilots are excellent examples of how many professionals have been reduced to subsistence wages. | Mar 08 13:03 | |
| sultan2 | Moore doesn't know anything about economics | Mar 08 13:03 |
| take what it gives | Mar 08 13:03 | |
| sultan2 | He propose the same thing, which is socialism | Mar 08 13:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | socalism isnt the answer directly | Mar 08 13:04 |
| sultan2 | I can do life by my own, without government/state touch | Mar 08 13:04 |
| if you believe in public education, you are a socialist | Mar 08 13:04 | |
| Diablo-D3 | true capitalism is indirectly socialism | Mar 08 13:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | you stop any company that actively tries to destroy the free market | Mar 08 13:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | ergo, everyone is free to have a job and earn meaningful wages | Mar 08 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | Old people, social security. = What's ours is ours and what's yours is ours. | Mar 08 13:05 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 13:05 |
| DaemonFC | they get to retire and spend the last 20-30-40 years of their life on the government's dime | Mar 08 13:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Assange's rage against the state | NZ Herald http://is.gd/Q4iiKG !wl | Mar 08 13:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Prisoners Help Build Patriot Missiles | Wired http://is.gd/fQtIFL http://bit.ly/eStLbb | Mar 08 13:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Assange's rage against the state | NZ Herald http://is.gd/Q4iiKG http://bit.ly/hg82Zp | Mar 08 13:06 | |
| DaemonFC | my generation will have to work into our 80s to cover this | Mar 08 13:06 |
| Moore proposes to claw back some of the corporate welfare the ultra rich have scraped up at everyone else's expense. Taxing the wealthy because that's where all the money is - that's hardly socialism it's practical policy. | Mar 08 13:06 | |
| DaemonFC | we're being hosed by our parents and grandparents | Mar 08 13:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | Moore is correct. | Mar 08 13:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | "corporate welfare for the rich" is effectively socialism done horribly wrong | Mar 08 13:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | socialism is where everyone gets a piece of the outermost pie | Mar 08 13:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | there is nothing inherently wrong with that | Mar 08 13:07 |
| DaemonFC | socialists know how to spend your money better than you do | Mar 08 13:07 |
| DaemonFC | that's why they take so much of it :) | Mar 08 13:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | a little of that is even required to keep large societies from collapsing | Mar 08 13:07 |
| our parents and grandparents are in turn being hosed. "end of life" health care often leaves them broke if insurance has not already done that | Mar 08 13:08 | |
| Diablo-D3 | but socialist programs should only exist to protect those who society needs to function | Mar 08 13:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: yes, which is nuts | Mar 08 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | it would be a laugh riot if they actually posted figures on how many of those people who get free healthcare at the emergency room are even in the US legally | Mar 08 13:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | they DID pay into the system | Mar 08 13:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | far more than we ever can | Mar 08 13:08 |
| DaemonFC | or how many of them can't speak english and cost the hospital money to pay an interpreter | Mar 08 13:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | all americans, especially them, deserve the utmost best healthcare. | Mar 08 13:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | normally I would argue against outright socialism like that... but lets face it, the rich stole all their money | Mar 08 13:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | otherwise they could pay it all out of pocket | Mar 08 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | the system isn't working because the people that pay the least into every one of these programs benefit the most out of it | Mar 08 13:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | they'd be at least in the single digit millions. | Mar 08 13:09 |
| healthcare is increasingly a "privilege" for the rich and powerful - people should do better than that for each other | Mar 08 13:09 | |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: well | Mar 08 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | they didn't even have Social Security until my grandparents were in their 40s | Mar 08 13:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | heres the large problem | Mar 08 13:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | those rich never deserved to be rich | Mar 08 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | they payd virtually nil into it and got to retire at 65 | Mar 08 13:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | very few ever earned it with their own hard work | Mar 08 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | good deal, now I get to pay for it | Mar 08 13:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | the few that did? they deserve it. | Mar 08 13:10 |
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| Diablo-D3 | the rest? it should be taken from them. | Mar 08 13:10 |
| the poor are obviously not the problem because they have next to no income and wealth, don't blame them. | Mar 08 13:10 | |
| DaemonFC | Social Security is collapsing because the first generations that retired on it didn't pay that much into it | Mar 08 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | not a healthy start for a Ponzi scam | Mar 08 13:11 |
| It wold be a lot easier to tax the top 1% of the country that has as much wealth as the bottom 50% combined. | Mar 08 13:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @ratholeradio: A new Rathole Radio is out now, check out the tunes and enjoy :) - http://ratholeradio.org/2011/03/ep47/ | Mar 08 13:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Wikileaks: Egyptian activist denies masterminding Jan. 25 revolution http://is.gd/JTEj1e !wl | Mar 08 13:11 | |
| I'm not sure what jokers like Gates do for society, other than tell people how to get him more money. | Mar 08 13:12 | |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: but the thing is | Mar 08 13:12 |
| DaemonFC | My grandparents Paid little, Got a lot. My parents paid a lot and probably break even. My generation, pays their entire life and never gets to retire. | Mar 08 13:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | poor dont CHOOSE to be poor | Mar 08 13:12 |
| I consider him a parasite. | Mar 08 13:12 | |
| Diablo-D3 | they were born poor, and they will die poor | Mar 08 13:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | you cant make money out of nothing | Mar 08 13:12 |
| DaemonFC | Thanks mom, dad, grandma, grandpa! | Mar 08 13:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | they deserve, from the day they are born, a job that is meaningful and wages that are meaningful | Mar 08 13:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | most social programs _would not need to exist_ if the system worked. | Mar 08 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | so what if a person isn't all that smart or ambitious | Mar 08 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | should they pay him $20 an hour to sling hash? | Mar 08 13:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | we'd all be able to afford healthcare, they'red be no health insurance companies (which are gigantic scams to steal money), we wouldnt need social security, and we'd be all investing huge sums of money in the general health and welfare of our nation | Mar 08 13:13 |
| There's value in the work, obviously. | Mar 08 13:13 | |
| DaemonFC | the more people can do the work, the less valuable the work is | Mar 08 13:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: not only is there value in work, the system actively tries to destroy the work of people | Mar 08 13:14 |
| Most of it is simply sucked up by people who don't deserve it. | Mar 08 13:14 | |
| DaemonFC | there's fewer people who can do heart surgery than can man the fryolator at McDonalds | Mar 08 13:14 |
| DaemonFC | and the salary disparity shows it | Mar 08 13:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | I agree... but most of whats sucked up is done so by whos at the very top of the list: the rich. | Mar 08 13:14 |
| the top of the list do little more than own things | Mar 08 13:14 | |
| Diablo-D3 | most rich people were born rich | Mar 08 13:15 |
| their disproportionate ownership of stocks and bonds make every corporate bail out a case of robbery. | Mar 08 13:15 | |
| Diablo-D3 | they never did a day of work in their lives. | Mar 08 13:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: I agree. | Mar 08 13:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | not only that, its borderline terrorism | Mar 08 13:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | its also grossly unconstitutional | Mar 08 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | Bill Gates wasn't born rich | Mar 08 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, he dropped out of college | Mar 08 13:16 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't even have a degree (except a few honorary) | Mar 08 13:16 |
| Gates was born very richs. | Mar 08 13:16 | |
| he dropped out of college because he could and went on to start his business with family money and powerful political and legal connections | Mar 08 13:17 | |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, he was | Mar 08 13:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | yup | Mar 08 13:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | which means most of his wealth should be stripped. | Mar 08 13:17 |
| Showed his dad a new way to hoover up public wealth - software, traffic systems, etc. | Mar 08 13:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Need Speaker for second day - 13 March at Delhi for FOSS talk http://lug-iitd.org/Geek_meetup_-_13_Mar_2011 !GeekMeetupD | Mar 08 13:18 | |
| Now he's moved into the last profitable segments of society, medicine. | Mar 08 13:18 | |
| Diablo-D3 | This isnt a Free Market. | Mar 08 13:19 |
| that's obvious | Mar 08 13:19 | |
| it's more like an oligarchy and wages reflect this | Mar 08 13:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Nebraska law forces woman to have baby that doctors wanted her to abort over defects, child dies 15 minutes after birth http://ur1.ca/3fbsg | Mar 08 13:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: U.S. targeted EU on GM foods | CBC http://is.gd/EYUZu9 !wl | Mar 08 13:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxfoundation: Original: Firefox 4.0 Approaches: What's in Store for Linux Users? http://bit.ly/f4RPAh #linux #mozilla #firefox | Mar 08 13:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] my politician context was someone who answers a question with a non-answer, the end path is mass voter apathy | Mar 08 13:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] every politician who does it is part of the problem | Mar 08 13:21 | |
| RMS notices something, "Violent crime and robbery in Oregon have been decreasing for years and are now the lowest since 1966. But most people in Oregon have been led by the media to think it is getting worse (except in their own home town). This study was about Oregon, but the phenomenon is probably not limited to Oregon. And the erroneous fear boosts right-wing politics." http://stallman.org/archives/2011-jan-apr.html#07 March 2011 (Perc | Mar 08 13:22 | |
| This was very true in Tacoma, Washington. | Mar 08 13:22 | |
| People were afraid to go out after dark especially around public parks. | Mar 08 13:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] take a look at select committee hearings to see this in full effect, hour after hour of questions, and not a single answer | Mar 08 13:23 | |
| One day I looked up actual crime statistics and just about fell out of my chair. | Mar 08 13:23 | |
| The 250,000 people who live there manage to murder between 10 and 20 people a year, something that has actually declined per person. | Mar 08 13:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Amtrak police chief bars #TSA from some security operations http://ur1.ca/3fbti | Mar 08 13:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Reuters runs paid for advertisement for the Gates Foundation to make Bill Gates look good http://ur1.ca/3fbtq | Mar 08 13:25 | |
| By way of comparison, my hometown of New Orleans kills one or two people per day, something that has steadily increased for it's 500,000 or so people. | Mar 08 13:25 | |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Mar 08 13:25 |
| People have called Tacoma a "gritty" and "working class" town. It looked like an egalitarian paradise to me. | Mar 08 13:26 | |
| People working in shipping made about as much or more than I did. Public education worked as did public transport, the municipal power company and public network. | Mar 08 13:28 | |
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| The economic downturn had hurt the place but they had a long, long way to go before they hit southern standards or education, crime and income disparity. | Mar 08 13:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Ladyboy Gaga goes Gaga over ownership of baby noises http://tighturl.com/2zpi | Mar 08 13:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Labour still not worked the #BBC out, they support the current govt propaganda line, regardless of party in power http://tighturl.com/2zpk | Mar 08 13:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Speedier, simpler and safer: Chrome’s basics get even better http://goo.gl/1RTxv !chromium | Mar 08 13:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: #gThumb 2.13.1 Released With 'Find Duplicates' Extension, More: http://goo.gl/gDspK !PPA: http://goo.gl/hc1M | Mar 08 13:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Tuesday's security updates http://lwn.net/Articles/432075/rss | Mar 08 13:41 | |
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| Why US support of dictators and clampdowns on wikileaks are a disaster in the making http://stallman.org/archives/2011-jan-apr.html#07 March 2011 (Downtrodden Pressure) | Mar 08 13:42 | |
| "The pressure of the downtrodden in Muslim countries seeks an exit, and if denied others, it will support Islamic extremism." | Mar 08 13:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Love how people in the comments to that article are accusing Gnome of breaking KDE. The KDE people did that quite well alone IMHO. LOL | Mar 08 13:43 | |
| Injustice breeds more of the same. | Mar 08 13:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Announcing the release of Fedora 15 Alpha http://lwn.net/Articles/432108/rss | Mar 08 13:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fedora/@fedora] Fedora 15 "Lovelock" Alpha release is here! Catch a glimpse of the future: http://ur1.ca/3fbwn Full announcement here: http://ur1.ca/3fbwx | Mar 08 13:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] IBM Centennial Film: 100 X 100 - A century of achievements that have changed the world http://is.gd/0Bgrpg #ibm #software #hardware | Mar 08 13:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] According to my records, I've worked on a document for 7 hrs today. And I've lost half morning in court. Busy day... | Mar 08 13:55 | |
| DaemonFC | == New in Mesa - 03/08/2011 ==Both r300g and r600g are now the default drivers. | Mar 08 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | from Xorg Edgers :) | Mar 08 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | one less thing in the "Pimp your xorg.conf" list for Radeon users | Mar 08 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | the classic R600c driver is in really bad shape, this move to R600g has been a long time coming | Mar 08 13:58 |
| DaemonFC | the first thing a user would notice on Evergreen going from c to g is about half again the performance, less bugs, and a whole lot more OpenGL 2/3 extensions | Mar 08 13:59 |
| *DaemonFC has been wondering why Ubuntu insisted on defaulting to a driver that hasn't seen any meaningful work in the last >year | Mar 08 14:00 | |
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| DaemonFC | apparently eadeonhd is still on life support | Mar 08 14:02 |
| DaemonFC | the OpenSuse guys are patching it up just enough to continue supporting the OpenSuse versions that used it | Mar 08 14:02 |
| DaemonFC | *radeonhd | Mar 08 14:02 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Our team in #RedHat getting adafruit love ♻ @adafruit: The Open Source Way http://bit.ly/ibT2NG | Mar 08 14:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Libya: Gadaffi orders mercenaries to execute Army soldiers who refused to fire on civilians http://ur1.ca/3fc07 | Mar 08 14:03 | |
| GoForbes28 | http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/jwalke/a_concrete_example_how_the_rei.html | Mar 08 14:03 |
| GoForbes28 | So that's how they;ll control overpopulation | Mar 08 14:04 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose it would be safe-ish to use Kubuntu 11.04 at this point | Mar 08 14:04 |
| DaemonFC | the free driver no longer sucks all that bad (from xorg-edgers) and the new fglrx will be out within a few days | Mar 08 14:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] American prison labor used to build Patriot missiles for #UAE arms deal http://ur1.ca/3fc0d | Mar 08 14:05 | |
| DaemonFC | Kubuntu alphas and betas are always more stable than Ubuntu | Mar 08 14:05 |
| GoForbes28 | Xubuntu too? | Mar 08 14:05 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu is tracking development releases of GNOME while Kubuntu usually gets a stable KDE release at that stage | Mar 08 14:05 |
| DaemonFC | Xubuntu too, yeah | Mar 08 14:05 |
| DaemonFC | usuallly | Mar 08 14:05 |
| GoForbes28 | Xfce 4.8 yet? | Mar 08 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | if you're just testing something out that doesn't depend on GNOME, use the Kubuntu alpha | Mar 08 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | it's more likely to work | Mar 08 14:06 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they have 4.8 in Xubuntu | Mar 08 14:06 |
| GoForbes28 | On another topic, between http://switchboard.nrdc.org/blogs/jwalke/a_concrete_example_how_the_rei.html and all the other insane events in the U.S., I believe it may be effective to use a Stephen King idea and encase the U.S. in a dome until they've worked our their problems | Mar 08 14:07 |
| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: good, 4.8 looks to be a big improvement | Mar 08 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat did a good job in their software selections for RHEL 6 | Mar 08 14:08 |
| GoForbes28 | And to those here in the U.S, good luck | Mar 08 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | I have yet to have anything crash | Mar 08 14:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: Google Mobile search adds Instant Previews on !Android 2.2 http://goo.gl/A18wr | Mar 08 14:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] A PaaS IDE? VMWare buys WaveMaker (Red Monk): http://bit.ly/fSM8CR | Mar 08 14:08 | |
| GoForbes28 | Have you tried Debian to test stability? | Mar 08 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I didn't like it that much though | Mar 08 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | building a custom kernel so your audio won't pop and skip and jitter is a little extreme | Mar 08 14:09 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 14:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: #Honeycomb browser isn’t up to par on #HTML5 http://goo.gl/MB06s !android | Mar 08 14:10 | |
| DaemonFC | RHEL's KConfig seems to be a lot more well-rounded | Mar 08 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | they defer to lower latency in cases where the throughput would increase latency a lot more than increasing throughput | Mar 08 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | so it's useful as a desktop kernel | Mar 08 14:10 |
| DaemonFC | Debian's KConfig is only really going to work if you don't mind audio distortions or you're going to use it as a server | Mar 08 14:11 |
| GoForbes28 | What's that alternative Debian kernel that's talked about? | Mar 08 14:11 |
| DaemonFC | they have several that I noticed, but none sounded appropriate for me | Mar 08 14:11 |
| DaemonFC | the rest of the Debian system seems good, but their kernel configuration is not targeted for desktop/mutimedia use | Mar 08 14:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] However this blokaddikt fella is, he build himself a bloody fucking awesome home!! | Mar 08 14:13 | |
| DaemonFC | neither is RHEL's really, but I haven't had problems out of it | Mar 08 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | several long term Linux distributions have settled on Linux 2.6.32, so it's quite stable at this point | Mar 08 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | that's a plus in settling on one of those distributions | Mar 08 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | but RHEL and Ubuntu Lucid are the only ones getting periodic driver backports | Mar 08 14:15 |
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| DaemonFC | eventually the Debian Squeeze CD will be too old to even boot on new hardware | Mar 08 14:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Female Web Developers vs. Male Web Developers (Graphic.is): http://bit.ly/gAFeun | Mar 08 14:16 | |
| DaemonFC | Debian is probably the wrong thing to standardize on if you plan on getting new hardware configurations within its life cycle | Mar 08 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | you can look at RHEL release notes and see that they're porting new drivers back into their kernels regularly | Mar 08 14:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh compared to xembed systray icons? how so? | Mar 08 14:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I hereby announce that from now on I'll be boycotting EVERYONE to become a hermit, even ISPs have stock portfolios #disturbing #sarcasm | Mar 08 14:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the world is too #disturbing to live in, you can't do ANYTHING without some connection to something dodgy, best avoid the whole planet | Mar 08 14:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] UN needs to establish a no-fly zone over #Libya http://ur1.ca/3fc3h | Mar 08 14:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] damn, someone who contributes to a project has a job working for a company who exploiits slave wages, quick BOYCOTT THEM! | Mar 08 14:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Microsoft admits open source under any copyleft license is banned on Windows Phone, says it will partially fix it: http://wmk.me/hVQ4EU | Mar 08 14:21 | |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: what sound hw is that on? | Mar 08 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | Realtek 7.1 HDA | Mar 08 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | it's integrated :) | Mar 08 14:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] eeGods, #UK govt prop up a lot of regimes, BOYCOTT THEM, I refuse to co-operate with the UK tax system for political reasons | Mar 08 14:23 | |
| GoForbes28 | is it proprietary? | Mar 08 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | no, it works with a free driver and no firmware blob | Mar 08 14:24 |
| DaemonFC | if you use proprietary video drivers on Linux, you're being pragmatic, if you use proprietary audio drivers, you're nuts, if you try using proprietary TV tuner card drivers, you're flipping crazy and don't bitch when that far east no name chipset vendor abandons you in 6 months | Mar 08 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 14:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @fabsh Working fine here. | Mar 08 14:26 | |
| DaemonFC | I had an old cheapo tv tuner left over from a few years ago and noticed that the only attempted Linux support they ever gave it was a broken driver with a buggy kernel glue module that was only meant to work with Ubuntu 8.04 | Mar 08 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | these outfits have all decided to follow the Nvidia GPL violation way and do the blob + glue approach | Mar 08 14:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @cryojenx: Mom's PC infested with #malware, I have GOT to get her switched to !Linux. | Mar 08 14:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] all legit corps in the UK collaborate with the UK govt, should be boycotted as well, black & white world view is refreshing if #disturbing | Mar 08 14:28 | |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu signs off on this because they're not worried about GPL violations and bad quality drivers that panic the kernel | Mar 08 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | that's why you see this stack of blobs in Ubuntu that aren't supported even by other distros that don't care about free vs non-free | Mar 08 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | they're so broken that nobody else will touch them free or not | Mar 08 14:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Chavela Vargas - En el último trago http://is.gd/SJmmXA | Mar 08 14:30 | |
| DaemonFC | "Cool, it makes my widget work when it's not molesting shared memory or overwriting /etc/shadow!" | Mar 08 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | "I love Ubuntu!" | Mar 08 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | jono rocks! | Mar 08 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 14:30 |
| jono | DaemonFC, I agree | Mar 08 14:31 |
| jono | lol | Mar 08 14:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @bob_sutor: Red Hat: Commitment to Open http://bit.ly/gABThC #linux #redhat | Mar 08 14:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxfoundation: Have an idea for a Linux Foundation #GSOC project? We want to know! http://linx.ly/eim3Hw | Mar 08 14:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Microsoft admits open source under any copyleft license is banned on Windows Phone, says it will partially fix it: http://wmk.me/hVQ4EU | Mar 08 14:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Syncing page content with HTML5 video (a different kind of webinar) http://mzl.la/gAxBPQ | Mar 08 14:31 | |
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| DaemonFC | jono and the Ubuntu rubbernecking bill of goods distro from the year 3-effing-000 | Mar 08 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 14:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Discovering, authenticating, analyzing digital data - standard of admissibility in legal settings - interesting - http://is.gd/buVSm8 | Mar 08 14:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linuxaria: [Repost] How to realize a webcam server on !Linux with motion #floss #gnu http://ur1.ca/3fc22 | Mar 08 14:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @idolrevolver: It's awesome when, after tunnelling monotonously for ages, you break through into a vast cave system. #minecraft | Mar 08 14:33 | |
| DaemonFC | if your goal is to release every 6 months and blindly package everything for your Debian testing/sid/experimental blend then I'm surprised that it works at all | Mar 08 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | they test out and hand pick enough of the packages that the core system usually works | Mar 08 14:33 |
| DaemonFC | but once you start pulling in packages, it could be a coin toss if anyone has actually used them or if they simply didn't fail to build :) | Mar 08 14:34 |
| DaemonFC | jono should just throw in ABRT and forget and leave it pointed to bugzilla.redhat.com | Mar 08 14:35 |
| DaemonFC | unintentional of course :) | Mar 08 14:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh that statement is so full of fail it's hard to know where to begin. | Mar 08 14:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @novitro: Nou #peblog: Cateva notiuni despre autentificarea cu doi factori http://bit.ly/dOLy0x | Mar 08 14:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] You know, I really love hotdogs, but I don't want them on my desktop to be honest... | Mar 08 14:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Just arrived in time for !barca vs teh gooners :-) | Mar 08 14:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh first off, status notifiers (or appindicators) do not enforce any uniformity. the visualization chooses how to represent things. | Mar 08 14:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh second, i do expect my systray icon to appear in whatever desktop shell i'm using. so, yes, this tech does need to be broadly used. | Mar 08 14:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh as for why the change: because the old icons don't provide ANY metadata nor can they be freely painted by the visualization | Mar 08 14:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh that means they can't be merged into a taskbar, they can't be scaled, they can't be viewed in multiple places, they can't a11y'd well | Mar 08 14:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh they can't be intelligently hidden/shown or grouped by function due to lack of metadata .. shall i go on? | Mar 08 14:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh this has nothing to do with notifications. | Mar 08 14:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh i'm not a fan of canonical's notifications either, and blogged why that is some time ago. but this about the systray icon replacement | Mar 08 14:40 | |
| DaemonFC | success measured by source lines changed | Mar 08 14:40 |
| DaemonFC | I think that must be Unity's policy | Mar 08 14:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh yes, but many/most people use applications written by many different projects and want to use them in their desktop shell of choice. | Mar 08 14:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh one may also magically want to use a dock replacement and expect that to work, too. | Mar 08 14:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh what part of "this about systray icons, not notifications" is hard for you to understand? | Mar 08 14:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh and so because the a11y is better in one place, we should say "fuck it" to the systray icons? that makes no sense. | Mar 08 14:43 | |
| GoForbes28 | so DaemonFC, what would be your choice of GNU/Linux distribution? | Mar 08 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | several good ones | Mar 08 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | I'm gravitating towards Fedora and EL 6 | Mar 08 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | depending on my system | Mar 08 14:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Why Are You Really Posting All Those Facebook Photos? (Jezebel): http://bit.ly/eycBgb | Mar 08 14:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is fabsh with 163 dents! | Mar 08 14:46 | |
| GoForbes28 | why fedora? | Mar 08 14:46 |
| DaemonFC | they have a higher degree of quality control than Ubuntu | Mar 08 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | they're more concerned with not letting nonfree and patented things get in | Mar 08 14:47 |
| DaemonFC | especially in their default repos and desktop | Mar 08 14:47 |
| GoForbes28 | Excepted for the blobbed kernels :( | Mar 08 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | they usually get newer technologies before Ubuntu does | Mar 08 14:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh and what you're saying is dead wrong. :) | Mar 08 14:48 | |
| DaemonFC | their kernel isn't blobbed | Mar 08 14:48 |
| GoForbes28 | yeah it is | Mar 08 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | the blobs are all modules in external RPM packages | Mar 08 14:48 |
| GoForbes28 | They went the Debian route? | Mar 08 14:48 |
| DaemonFC | Debian went the Fedora route :) | Mar 08 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | except Fedora has some of those RPMs installed | Mar 08 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | easy to get rid of | Mar 08 14:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Fedora 15 Alpha has been released: http://goo.gl/4U8yl | Mar 08 14:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @glynmoody: James Bond in Drag For International Women’s Day - http://bit.ly/dNal6t nicely done... #iwd | Mar 08 14:50 | |
| GoForbes28 | So Fedora uses a "libre" kernel? | Mar 08 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | the kernel itself is | Mar 08 14:50 |
| non free software is not easy to get rid of - you don't know what it has done - that's why it should not be used by default. | Mar 08 14:50 | |
| DaemonFC | the firmware modules are external | Mar 08 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | I don't use any more of it than I have to | Mar 08 14:50 |
| you never have to | Mar 08 14:51 | |
| DaemonFC | I take out firmware that isn't used by any of my devices | Mar 08 14:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: they always did | Mar 08 14:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | they also employ some of the most productive kernel devs | Mar 08 14:51 |
| I take out devices that require firmware | Mar 08 14:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] @fabsh the old system is an opaque blob in the form of an embedded window. the new one is 100% data: it can be presented as plain text, e.g. | Mar 08 14:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] mmm fried egg roll, with sesame seeds too #tasty | Mar 08 14:51 | |
| DaemonFC | in RHEL 6, you don't even have kernel blogs if you don't get them from ELrepo | Mar 08 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | *blobs | Mar 08 14:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | firmware itself isnt a bad thing. | Mar 08 14:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | its when companies abuse that privledge | Mar 08 14:52 |
| blobs are always a bad thing | Mar 08 14:52 | |
| Diablo-D3 | wifi chips are the worst | Mar 08 14:52 |
| that you would need a blob to run hardware is always an abuse | Mar 08 14:52 | |
| DaemonFC | Broadcom decided to open source their firmware after Fedora started reverse engineering it | Mar 08 14:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | otoh you have radeons which the firmwares are deeply documented and extremely thin | Mar 08 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Mar 08 14:52 |
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| if it's free software, it's not a blob | Mar 08 14:53 | |
| Diablo-D3 | its not free | Mar 08 14:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | but its also not really worth arguing about | Mar 08 14:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | firmware issues almost entirely boil down to wifi cards | Mar 08 14:54 |
| what do they use them for exactly? | Mar 08 14:54 | |
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| GoForbes28 | according to amd developers, the ati firmware has something to do with DRM | Mar 08 14:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | basically, the entire chip is really just firmware | Mar 08 14:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: nope | Mar 08 14:55 |
| GoForbes28 | and I mean the restrictions kind | Mar 08 14:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: most of its booting | Mar 08 14:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | the rest is just shit like the atombios layer | Mar 08 14:55 |
| booting what? | Mar 08 14:55 | |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: the video card. | Mar 08 14:55 |
| GoForbes28 | According to an AMD developer, "opening" the firmware would make their DRM implementation easier to circumvent | Mar 08 14:56 |
| so what does it do for the video card that has to be done in a non free way? | Mar 08 14:56 | |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: easier, yes. DRM is also done via the atombios layer. | Mar 08 14:56 |
| GoForbes28 | Doesn't apply to me, since I bought an Intel GMA HD | Mar 08 14:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: its upgradable. | Mar 08 14:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: drivers have shipped new versions of it to fix bugs. | Mar 08 14:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is stuff you actually want to be firmware. | Mar 08 14:56 |
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| Windows is upgradable too, you just pave it with Debian. | Mar 08 14:56 | |
| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: BTW, since you like Fedora, BLAG's RC is out | Mar 08 14:56 |
| GoForbes28 | http://www.blagblagblag.org/ | Mar 08 14:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | but with wifi | Mar 08 14:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | its much much worse | Mar 08 14:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | the wifi chip doesnt do anything | Mar 08 14:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres no actual logic anywhere in it | Mar 08 14:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | the ENTIRE engine is in the blob | Mar 08 14:57 |
| so, it's like winmodems all over again? | Mar 08 14:57 | |
| DaemonFC | blagblaglblablagblagblaglblablag | Mar 08 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 14:57 |
| basically done to screw free software. | Mar 08 14:57 | |
| Diablo-D3 | which if the documentation were ever to leak out, you'd have a fully reprogrammable digital radio that works on wifi frequencies (and possibly farther outside than that) | Mar 08 14:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: nope | Mar 08 14:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | its half done to screw oems | Mar 08 14:57 |
| wonderful | Mar 08 14:57 | |
| Diablo-D3 | its half to screw customers | Mar 08 14:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | basically | Mar 08 14:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | they've been selling the same G chip for years | Mar 08 14:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Happy #International #Women's Day! http://ur1.ca/3fc9a | Mar 08 14:58 | |
| Diablo-D3 | when N came out, many G chips were just had their PCI IDs changed | Mar 08 14:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | and they were fed a firmware that does N perfectly | Mar 08 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | One thing I like about EL is that AMD supports it so Catalyst always has a module that's known to work | Mar 08 14:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, ever wonder how pre-final spec N devices can be upgraded to N final? | Mar 08 14:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | its because _the entire chip_ is in that firmware blob. | Mar 08 14:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | if anyone figures out how to actually upgrade existing G shit to N on chips that can do it, all hell will break loose | Mar 08 14:59 |
| so the firmware also serves as cripple ware? | Mar 08 14:59 | |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: well | Mar 08 14:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Mar 08 14:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | cripple ware implies they sell two versions at the same time | Mar 08 14:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | they dont | Mar 08 14:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | once N came out, G orders were ceased | Mar 08 14:59 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG: !Chromium browser gets new a logo. Ish. http://goo.gl/cFYu2 | Mar 08 15:00 | |
| fab | Mar 08 15:00 | |
| Diablo-D3 | they just kept fabbing the same _chip_ | Mar 08 15:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | just with a new firmware blob in the driver | Mar 08 15:00 |
| DaemonFC | there's no Mono crap in the EL distros | Mar 08 15:00 |
| fabulous! | Mar 08 15:00 | |
| Diablo-D3 | now, in their defense... and there is one | Mar 08 15:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | international laws are so fucked with radio devices that theres tons of shit that they MUST do | Mar 08 15:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | different frequencies, different power outputs, other random shit that has no place in a technical device | Mar 08 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | I looked around all the community RPM sites too | Mar 08 15:01 |
| people with older cards can buy a new card to get the new blob but can't use the new blob with older cards. so efficient! | Mar 08 15:01 | |
| DaemonFC | there's no way to install Mono in RHEL without building it | Mar 08 15:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | its DRM locked down by the law | Mar 08 15:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: basically | Mar 08 15:01 |
| that is typical non free software forced hardware churn | Mar 08 15:02 | |
| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: Nice. Back to Fedora though, how do I prevent proprietary firmware from installing? | Mar 08 15:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: yes. | Mar 08 15:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: now, its actually _not_ an issue. | Mar 08 15:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: the issue is they wont give the blobs out | Mar 08 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | not sure you can | Mar 08 15:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | and sometimes threaten to sue Linux distros for distributing them | Mar 08 15:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | guess what happens when they do that | Mar 08 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | you can take it out after the fact through Packagekit | Mar 08 15:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | people stop buying them | Mar 08 15:02 |
| I try not to buy them. | Mar 08 15:03 | |
| DaemonFC | search firmware and start seeing what you can get rid of | Mar 08 15:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | now, not all companies are utter dicks | Mar 08 15:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | Intel wifi chips work out of the box in linux | Mar 08 15:03 |
| Broadcom has a particularly well deserved bad name. | Mar 08 15:03 | |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo-D3 & Twitter: Damn, Bill C-32 in Canada would defintely open up a can of worms greater than I originally thought | Mar 08 15:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: broadcom is fucked because their chips suck | Mar 08 15:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: everything else is secondary | Mar 08 15:03 |
| Intel graphics supposedly suck but software freedom makes them wonderful to me. | Mar 08 15:04 | |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: I dont care if tommorow broadcom shit out free 100% open source for every single chip | Mar 08 15:04 |
| freedom is primary | Mar 08 15:04 | |
| Diablo-D3 | I wont buy broadcom | Mar 08 15:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: btw, no | Mar 08 15:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | Intel is trying to buy customers | Mar 08 15:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | and their shit wont work on me | Mar 08 15:04 |
| works for me | Mar 08 15:04 | |
| Diablo-D3 | then you're an idiot | Mar 08 15:04 |
| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: I assume they make the licences clear? | Mar 08 15:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] @fabsh If McD's #coffee is the best on the road there, then you've just shattered my image of #Deutschland. hehe | Mar 08 15:05 | |
| Diablo-D3 | Intel is trying to buy themselves a good name in the free software community | Mar 08 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Mar 08 15:05 |
| I'd buy their graphics chipsets as external cards for other computers if I could | Mar 08 15:05 | |
| DaemonFC | everything in Fedora specifies the license | Mar 08 15:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter: why, with their shitty linux support? | Mar 08 15:05 |
| I like things that work. | Mar 08 15:05 | |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo-D3: Their support is fine | Mar 08 15:05 |
| MinceR | "shitty" as in it works, unlike all the others? | Mar 08 15:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ask any Mesa/Gallium/X dev | Mar 08 15:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | their code sucks | Mar 08 15:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only time an intel card works is when they throw the intel code out and do it themselves | Mar 08 15:06 |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo-D3: And we aren't all sheep, we aren't dumping money for Sandy Bridge any time soon | Mar 08 15:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | nothing Intel has ever submitted to anyone has ever worked right. | Mar 08 15:06 |
| MinceR | ask them if KMS works with the official drivers for the other manufacturers :> | Mar 08 15:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: it doesnt. | Mar 08 15:06 |
| it might suck, but it's free. non free code from other makers may suck even more. | Mar 08 15:06 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=ubuntu_1104_radeon&num=2 | Mar 08 15:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | not on any intel's own driver. | Mar 08 15:06 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: then i must be imagining things | Mar 08 15:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @lamm Where do you live? | Mar 08 15:06 | |
| Diablo-D3 | it only works on intel drivers X wrote themselves. | Mar 08 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | The open source Radeon driver performance has doubled in the last 6 months | Mar 08 15:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | intel is trying to take credit on someone else's work | Mar 08 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | still way lower than Catalyst | Mar 08 15:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | otoh, AMD has spent millions on their open source effort | Mar 08 15:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | programming manuals, paying mesa/gallium/X devs, etc | Mar 08 15:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | Intel has done none of this. | Mar 08 15:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | Intel can go fuck themselves | Mar 08 15:07 |
| MinceR | ah, the old "it cost a lot so it must be good" argument | Mar 08 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | they spent millions to acheve half the performance of FGLRX? | Mar 08 15:08 |
| MinceR | i've even heard that about m$ visual java | Mar 08 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: no, the "doing the right thing" argument | Mar 08 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | where the fuck is Intel's programming manuals? whos salaries are they paying? | Mar 08 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | I concede that they did do some things right in radeon that have been fucked for years in FGLRX | Mar 08 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | but it is SLOW | Mar 08 15:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | All they do is hand out broken code that no one wants and try to get the PR for it | Mar 08 15:08 |
| MinceR | where the fuck are amd's working, well performing free software GPU drivers? | Mar 08 15:08 |
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| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: where are intel's? | Mar 08 15:08 |
| sebsebseb | Hi | Mar 08 15:09 |
| MinceR | right in the kernel tree | Mar 08 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: nope. | Mar 08 15:09 |
| MinceR | hay sebsebseb | Mar 08 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | where are Intels GPUs? | Mar 08 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: there are no drivers in the kernel. | Mar 08 15:09 |
| on my laptops | Mar 08 15:09 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: hay | Mar 08 15:09 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: on mainboards and in cpus | Mar 08 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | perhaps I can go buy one | Mar 08 15:09 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: HI | Mar 08 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | and plug it into my motherboard | Mar 08 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: KMS and DRM are in the kernel, thats just _part_ of the driver. | Mar 08 15:09 |
| sebsebseb | who's GoForbes28 ? | Mar 08 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | do they have hardware T&L yet or are they still in 2002? | Mar 08 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Mar 08 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: how do you do GLSL shaders without Gallium's GLSL shader being complete? | Mar 08 15:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: the radeon driver is the most feature complete driver in mesa/gallium/X atm. | Mar 08 15:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] I think saying of the day goes something like this "you can only kick a dog so much before it turns around and bites you" | Mar 08 15:10 | |
| MinceR | i'll tell you wen i start caring | Mar 08 15:10 |
| MinceR | s/we/whe/ | Mar 08 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | their GLSL is broken and missing lots of features | Mar 08 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | but it beats the classic Mesa drivers | Mar 08 15:10 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: I'm the guy who showed up and up and decided to edit and contribute to some of Roy's articles. | Mar 08 15:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | then dont ask the question if you dont like the answer. | Mar 08 15:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | radeon is more supported by foss than anything else. | Mar 08 15:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | gallium exists because of AMD's efforts. | Mar 08 15:10 |
| MinceR | i'm not the one asking the question here | Mar 08 15:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | [03:08:38] <MinceR> where the fuck are amd's working, well performing free software GPU drivers? | Mar 08 15:10 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: oh? | Mar 08 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | you asked. they're front row and center on Linux. | Mar 08 15:11 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: doesn't mean much to me, I don't tend to bother reading his blog enteries | Mar 08 15:11 |
| MinceR | that's not what i hear from everyone else | Mar 08 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: everyone else is a fucking nvidia fan | Mar 08 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: They're good enough for a workstation | Mar 08 15:11 |
| MinceR | right | Mar 08 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | and if I hear one more fucking asshole say nvidia has better linux support, Im going to castrate them | Mar 08 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | that's all the better they'll get too | Mar 08 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | (RHEL) | Mar 08 15:11 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: everyone else is driving on the wrong side of the road! | Mar 08 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: so you support closed source pro-Windows companies now? | Mar 08 15:11 |
| MinceR | i don't | Mar 08 15:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | then why back them up | Mar 08 15:12 |
| MinceR | i'm not backing them up, i'm backing the facts up | Mar 08 15:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only people saying radeon's foss drivers suck are people who dont care about freedom | Mar 08 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I doubt Red Hat really has a fire lit under their ass to get free video drivers | Mar 08 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia and AMD already officially support RHEL | Mar 08 15:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | the radeon driver is the most feature complete X/gallium driver. | Mar 08 15:12 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: I wasn't trying to pontificate, I just told you the truth | Mar 08 15:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | not intel. | Mar 08 15:12 |
| MinceR | afaik amd's free drivers underperform their winblows drivers | Mar 08 15:12 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: That is literally my story here | Mar 08 15:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: their closed source ones? not for me, I get higher FPS vs windows. | Mar 08 15:13 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: I am not following you 100% | Mar 08 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Their Windows driver code and FGLRX driver code is largely the same thing | Mar 08 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres even a case where I get higher FPS _in wine_ over native windows | Mar 08 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | same with Nvidia | Mar 08 15:13 |
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| MinceR | Diablo-D3: maybe i'm working with outdated info | Mar 08 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: you are. you're about a year nehind. | Mar 08 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | _all_ drivers sucked a year ago | Mar 08 15:13 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: I'm not sure what you mean. | Mar 08 15:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | it was fglrx or nvidia and that was your two choices | Mar 08 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Think huge blob with a little bit of glue to make it work on Windows and OS X and Linux | Mar 08 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | (FGLRX) | Mar 08 15:14 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: wasn't sure how the remaining parts affect performance | Mar 08 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | gallium's glsl driver will be finished sometime this year, and mesa is also going to claim GL3 compatibility soon | Mar 08 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | the FGLRX driver benefits from improvements to the Windows and OS X driver | Mar 08 15:14 |
| MinceR | especially considering that the glue on winblows tends to be nonfree as well | Mar 08 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | something two years ago was thought impossible. | Mar 08 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | by virtue of being the same code | Mar 08 15:14 |
| MinceR | so almost nobody knows what's in there | Mar 08 15:14 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: I just meant I wasn't trying to flaut that I editted some of Roy's articles | Mar 08 15:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: and btw, I dont know what DaemonFC said, but yes, if Mesa/Gallium doesnt expose an important extension thats required for performance, performance suffers. | Mar 08 15:14 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: FGLRX and Catalyst for Windows lately are on par with each other | Mar 08 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: the biggest issue was the native shader compiler which is required by all modern GPUs no matter the manuf | Mar 08 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's one of those +/- 5% deals | Mar 08 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: ie, anything with a "unified shader" | Mar 08 15:15 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: by "remaining parts" i meant the parts of the driver that isn't common between winblows and linux | Mar 08 15:15 |
| MinceR | s/isn/aren/ | Mar 08 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | there are no remaining parts then | Mar 08 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | everything is a software program running on a GPU. | Mar 08 15:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | _everything_ | Mar 08 15:15 |
| MinceR | there's still code you need to get the OS to load that stuff into the GPU | Mar 08 15:16 |
| MinceR | and code that talks to the GPU | Mar 08 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | yup, and its nearly identical | Mar 08 15:16 |
| DaemonFC | the lack of KMS support is really the only glaring technical limitation of FGLRX at this point | Mar 08 15:16 |
| DaemonFC | aside from a few bugs here and there | Mar 08 15:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres exactly one way to do this correctly | Mar 08 15:16 |
| rms points to this http://www.counterpunch.org/sommers02282011.html | Mar 08 15:17 | |
| Diablo-D3 | the biggest change in the X/Mesa/Gallium stack is to actually do it correctly | Mar 08 15:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | infact, Gallium is so well written that Microsoft mostly copied it for their 7/DX11 driver stack. | Mar 08 15:17 |
| if you have software freedom, you can fix things. if you don't you can't | Mar 08 15:18 | |
| Diablo-D3 | Exactly, and AMD clearly has come out in support of software freedom | Mar 08 15:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @lamm That isn't fair. You probably have drive-in coffee shops. The US is *the* drive-in nation... | Mar 08 15:18 | |
| Diablo-D3 | in their words, "we dont write software, we're not a software company, we'll have the people who are experts at it write it for Linux" | Mar 08 15:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I salute them | Mar 08 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: There's a few things I really wish I could use that the free drivers have | Mar 08 15:18 |
| DaemonFC | but I can't justify cutting my overall performance in half to get those | Mar 08 15:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | The only alternative to AMD? Nvidia unofficially threatened to sue the the Novaeu developers early on. | Mar 08 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia is generally hostile to free software | Mar 08 15:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Jorge Castro: !Unity Bitesize Progress Report for 8 March http://goo.gl/C3ByK | Mar 08 15:20 | |
| DaemonFC | the only reason the support Linux in any capacity is due to RHEL and SLE | Mar 08 15:20 |
| GoForbes28 | Of course, Noveau also uses proprietary firmware, so that's out | Mar 08 15:20 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: so the free driver is still half as fast as fglrx? | Mar 08 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | everyone else is a free beta tester | Mar 08 15:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: nvidia's is thin and ... well, badly documented. | Mar 08 15:20 |
| MinceR | GoForbes28: i thought they couldn't do that | Mar 08 15:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: not because fglrx is better code, the free driver is missing some things still | Mar 08 15:20 |
| GoForbes28 | Couldn't use proprietary firmware? Well, they do for 3D acceleration | Mar 08 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Yes, Mesa 7.10 is twice as fast as 7.9 with r600g | Mar 08 15:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: if you tell the software that moronix benchmarks to use the same code paths on both radeon and fglrx, they're more similar in speed | Mar 08 15:21 |
| GoForbes28 | Remove the blob, say bye-bye to 3d support in noveau | Mar 08 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | 7.9 was therefore more like 25% of the speed of FGLRX | Mar 08 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | not bad for a few months work I guess | Mar 08 15:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, novaeu has a very minimal impl of that firmware for 2D support | Mar 08 15:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Writing, Delegating, Researching: Marketing !GNOME 3 http://goo.gl/vUD3B | Mar 08 15:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @cryojenx: We talk about our #Facebook addiction, but what about our #Google addiction? | Mar 08 15:21 | |
| Diablo-D3 | nvidia wrote it for the nv driver before they stopped support of it | Mar 08 15:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | also, btw, re radeon's atombios | Mar 08 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia doesn't have a case to sue over Nouveau | Mar 08 15:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | AMD wants that whole part of the firmware to be able to be built free | Mar 08 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | there's no Nvidia source code in it except what was already in NV | Mar 08 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure the lawyers told them that | Mar 08 15:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | atombios is what translates driver commands into the native internal radeon stack | Mar 08 15:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | its basically the software for the command processor in the gpu | Mar 08 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | yes, but the registers are all documented too | Mar 08 15:22 |
| DaemonFC | there's no reason other than time consumption why radeon couldn't use that | Mar 08 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | like radeonhd was doing | Mar 08 15:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | like half the programming manual's hardware API chapters detail how to use the atombios interface | Mar 08 15:23 |
| GoForbes28 | Funny that if this firmware is so well documented, why it couldn't be reverse engineered | Mar 08 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | the atombios is supposedly a superset each generation of hardware | Mar 08 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | so the support you already have for the last batch of cards is still there | Mar 08 15:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: read above where I said AMD wants it to be free software and provided by the driver | Mar 08 15:23 |
| DaemonFC | AtomBIOS is just a convenience for the programmer | Mar 08 15:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | basically AMD wants X/Gallium to provide a more optimized version that does what they want instead of what AMD chose for their Windows driver | Mar 08 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | which I'm all for | Mar 08 15:24 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather have useful drivers this year than 2 years from now | Mar 08 15:24 |
| GoForbes28 | AMD wants it to be, fine. | Mar 08 15:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | What AMD wants, AMD gets. And we're all the better for it. | Mar 08 15:24 |
| GoForbes28 | Why ISN'T it? | Mar 08 15:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Oracle Mobilizes Inventory Management (CIO): http://bit.ly/e2SGyl | Mar 08 15:25 | |
| Diablo-D3 | Not sure | Mar 08 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | well half the speed of Catalyst is a lot better than nothing | Mar 08 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | which is what Evergreen users had 8 months ago | Mar 08 15:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | probably because the driver isnt finished yet and its not a high priority | Mar 08 15:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | most likely AMD's impl is the most efficient | Mar 08 15:25 |
| GoForbes28 | uh huh | Mar 08 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | if you want the best battery life, use radeon, not FGLRX | Mar 08 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | I think that's a given | Mar 08 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | (and enable dynamic power management) | Mar 08 15:26 |
| GoForbes28 | brb | Mar 08 15:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a really tiny blob | Mar 08 15:26 |
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| a tiny prick | Mar 08 15:28 | |
| wasn't rape, she hardly noticed | Mar 08 15:29 | |
| http://www.theage.com.au/environment/conservation/the-gulf-oil-spills-toxic-legacy-20110225-1b8mz.html | Mar 08 15:29 | |
| MinceR | if she hardly notices, you're doing it wrong | Mar 08 15:29 |
| MinceR | ;) | Mar 08 15:29 |
| it's more a matter of consent, I think | Mar 08 15:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] OpenText acquires mobile development vendor WeComm (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/fq3NUY | Mar 08 15:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 'Bullied' #police to stage protests over pay cuts - http://bit.ly/idFsWg I have only one thing to say to this: "kettling" | Mar 08 15:31 | |
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| sebsebseb | hmm so Schestwotiz is away right, but | Mar 08 15:32 |
| sebsebseb | who's running the bots then? | Mar 08 15:32 |
| lol, kettling police to be kettled | Mar 08 15:33 | |
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| AdmFubar_ | hi all | Mar 08 15:33 |
| AdmFubar_ | are the rss feeds working ok? | Mar 08 15:34 |
| Police man's lament, "I smashed a communist with my night stick and did not care because I was not a communist ... " | Mar 08 15:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @glynmoody: 'Bullied' #police to stage protests over pay cuts - http://bit.ly/idFsWg I have only one thing to say to this: "kettling" | Mar 08 15:35 | |
| no sure Fubar, I've seen a lot of little red x errors over feeds for the past couple of days | Mar 08 15:35 | |
| AdmFubar_ | i stopped getting updated feeds yesterday.. | Mar 08 15:35 |
| AdmFubar_ | kind odd that there is such a lull from here! :O | Mar 08 15:36 |
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| there's nothing new since the Vaporware article that I can see | Mar 08 15:36 | |
| AdmFubar_ | yeah that was the last item i got.. | Mar 08 15:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @jospoortvliet ♻ @micu: Why #Nokia Hasn’t Ditched #MeeGo is.gd/VbSz06 #Microsoft #Windows !linux !kde !gnome | Mar 08 15:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Protesters securing secret documents throughout #Egypt as State Security tries to shred, burn, destroy evidence https://eff.org/r.3z4 | Mar 08 15:38 | |
| GoForbes28 | wow, that was a painful experience | Mar 08 15:38 |
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| GoForbes28 | Trying to reconnect to the IRC, that is | Mar 08 15:38 |
| AdmFubar_ | well i'll keep looking for new feeds, laters all | Mar 08 15:38 |
| GoForbes28 | see ya | Mar 08 15:39 |
| GoForbes28 | so where were we? | Mar 08 15:39 |
| GoForbes28 | Ah yes | Mar 08 15:39 |
| GoForbes28 | We were talking about blobs | Mar 08 15:39 |
| GoForbes28 | or blags | Mar 08 15:39 |
| GoForbes28 | or blowholes | Mar 08 15:39 |
| GoForbes28 | I can't remember | Mar 08 15:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Learning to Love the (Shallow, Divisive, Unreliable) New Media (The Atlantic): http://bit.ly/h4u8ZY | Mar 08 15:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Democrats roll out #climate change big guns, Republicans remain immune - http://bit.ly/idXz12 breathtaking arrogance by non-scientists | Mar 08 15:40 | |
| GoForbes28 | anywho | Mar 08 15:40 |
| GoForbes28 | As far as I can tell, the drivers for the GMA HD, Core iX processors work fine, or at least adequately | Mar 08 15:40 |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo-D3: Was it you who said these drivers were "ripped off" from FGLRX? | Mar 08 15:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Mar 08 15:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: no one said that. | Mar 08 15:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | I said Intel tried to take credit on all the hard work the X/Mesa/Gallium developers have done. | Mar 08 15:42 |
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| Diablo-D3 | And the work that, basically, AMD has paid at least some for. | Mar 08 15:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] NPR exec, I mean, a hero calls a Tea Party racist; naturally the Tea Party has a problem with the truth http://ur1.ca/3fchu | Mar 08 15:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Fearing iTunes-Like Domination, #Hollywood Plots Netflix’s Downfall - http://bit.ly/dSlRrn yeah, must destroy anything new that succeeds... | Mar 08 15:43 | |
| Diablo-D3 | Remember, those magical Intel drivers use the same KMS, DRM, DRI, Gallium, Mesa, and X all the other modern FOSS drivers do | Mar 08 15:43 |
| GoForbes28 | Well that's fine with me | Mar 08 15:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @planetfedora: Ryan Rix: Something you can't have a beef with: in case you haven't noticed, his holiness's followe... http://bit.ly/gHBc4H | Mar 08 15:45 | |
| GoForbes28 | The taking credit part is rather dickish, but if Intel utilizes modern Free software technologies, then there's not really a problem is there? | Mar 08 15:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, there isnt | Mar 08 15:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | notice I put Intel on the list ahead of nvidia, which is waaaaaaaAAaaaAAAaaaAAAaaAAaaAAaay at the bottom | Mar 08 15:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | but the gap between AMD and Intel is similarly huge | Mar 08 15:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | Intel doesnt support FOSS, they just use it. | Mar 08 15:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | AMD supports it, and Nvidia is Microsoft's lackey. | Mar 08 15:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats about the jist of things | Mar 08 15:46 |
| GoForbes28 | Well, we know that Intel has ulterior motives, that's been proven time and time again | Mar 08 15:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] State of Play: Public Sector Information in the United States - http://bit.ly/enFVRg useful to have #opendata #publicsector | Mar 08 15:46 | |
| GoForbes28 | at the same time, if they release adequate, totally Free software drivers, we can't really fault them | Mar 08 15:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | but _they_ dont release them | Mar 08 15:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | they try to claim the drivers they released (which are foss) are the same ones that users eventually use | Mar 08 15:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | and its not true | Mar 08 15:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres been several instances where FOSS devs just used their drivers as a form of documentation and rewrote them from the ground up | Mar 08 15:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Fox Sends DMCA Takedown To #Google To Remove Link To DMCA Takedown Sent By Fox - http://bit.ly/fM0iN7 "Ah, meta #DMCA takedowns." | Mar 08 15:48 | |
| GoForbes28 | Ok, were the rewritten drivers good? | Mar 08 15:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | Yes, very. | Mar 08 15:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | Well, from what Ive heard anyways | Mar 08 15:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | its almost as well done as the radeon driver | Mar 08 15:49 |
| GoForbes28 | so the end result is quality drivers that are totally free | Mar 08 15:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] @fabsh The whole idea is that you can still have the implementation in a more robust and cross-desktop way. Its not about the visualization! | Mar 08 15:50 | |
| GoForbes28 | as I said before, no one is defending Intel here | Mar 08 15:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: yes, but the end result is AMD paying for the driver stack Intel is using | Mar 08 15:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | and AMD is totally aware of it and doesnt care | Mar 08 15:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | they truly understand FOSS | Mar 08 15:50 |
| GoForbes28 | I may have bought a GMA HD, but never because of Intel's "unquestionable support" of Free software | Mar 08 15:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im waiting for Microsoft to try to buy AMD or something | Mar 08 15:50 |
| GoForbes28 | I bought it because there were totally Free drivers available, period. | Mar 08 15:51 |
| GoForbes28 | Along with some other technical reasons, but that's another thing entirely | Mar 08 15:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, the large issue for Intel now is | Mar 08 15:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] @fabsh We've 2 Starbucks in town, both have drive-thrus—one is >7km from me. Drive-in burger places are popular too.Drive-thru nation indeed | Mar 08 15:51 | |
| Diablo-D3 | a) they dont sell them as video cards | Mar 08 15:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Billions of dead fish invade Redondo's King Harbor Marina - http://bit.ly/g0xx0o perfectly normal natural cycle - probably just the weather | Mar 08 15:51 | |
| Diablo-D3 | b) THEY ARE AS SLOW AS FUCK | Mar 08 15:51 |
| GoForbes28 | Microsoft buying AMD? Microsoft isn't in the position to buy a banana from a supermarket | Mar 08 15:52 |
| GoForbes28 | Slow as F**k? compared to what? | Mar 08 15:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | anything else that does 3D. | Mar 08 15:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | Intel is really behind the curve | Mar 08 15:52 |
| GoForbes28 | I've run Left 4 Dead on whatever settings it uses, and it was smooth and fast | Mar 08 15:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | their new GMA HD 2/3 chips are the first ones to be able to run OpenCL, for one | Mar 08 15:53 |
| GoForbes28 | Yeah, if I turned up everything to maximum then probably there would be problems | Mar 08 15:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it wasnt until GMA 4 that they could decode blurays | Mar 08 15:53 |
| GoForbes28 | but I'm coming from a Radeon 9000 Pro | Mar 08 15:53 |
| GoForbes28 | I don't and will never use bluray | Mar 08 15:53 |
| GoForbes28 | So I don't care | Mar 08 15:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | by bluray, I mean high bandwidth high profile h264 of a certain resolution | Mar 08 15:53 |
| GoForbes28 | Yeah, the GMA HD doesn't equal a full-fledged graphics card | Mar 08 15:54 |
| GoForbes28 | but it gives me the performance I demand | Mar 08 15:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | its about where AMD's northbridge gpus and Fusion gpus are. | Mar 08 15:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | which is kind of pathetic | Mar 08 15:54 |
| GoForbes28 | I don't need an overperforming (for me) graphics card in a laptop adding weight and heat | Mar 08 15:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, thats fine for a laptop | Mar 08 15:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Climbing over FarmVille, Messenger now #2 Facebook app - http://bit.ly/e4nMJi "The love affair of Ballmer & Zuckerberg continues unabated" | Mar 08 15:55 | |
| Diablo-D3 | but I'd still buy a fusion laptop before a... mac or whatever | Mar 08 15:55 |
| GoForbes28 | fusion being what again? | Mar 08 15:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | they moved the radeon cores into the cpu die, so they're htx native cores | Mar 08 15:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | you end up with an 18w chipset that outperforms intel's newest atom generation in everything | Mar 08 15:56 |
| GoForbes28 | Which would matter to me when I buy a netbook | Mar 08 15:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | flat out speed, it does h264 decoding and atom doesnt, it does opencl and atom doesnt | Mar 08 15:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: nope, it gets better | Mar 08 15:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | its so fast, its also as fast as Intel's low end laptop cpus | Mar 08 15:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The United States of Charlie Sheen - http://bit.ly/hQ9WyW wonderful, witty post #economics | Mar 08 15:56 | |
| Diablo-D3 | at half the watts | Mar 08 15:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | it just completely screw Intel over | Mar 08 15:56 |
| GoForbes28 | Driver support is the key here though | Mar 08 15:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | driver support existed basically 2 years before the chip did | Mar 08 15:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, 1.5 years | Mar 08 15:57 |
| GoForbes28 | ook | Mar 08 15:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | the radeon cores are basically generic radeon 5xxx cores | Mar 08 15:57 |
| GoForbes28 | are there totally Free drivers available? | Mar 08 15:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | they just had to handle some niggling shit and add PCI IDs | Mar 08 15:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, but its not out of trunk yet | Mar 08 15:57 |
| GoForbes28 | no firmware blobs whatsoever? | Mar 08 15:57 |
| GoForbes28 | proprietary, that is? | Mar 08 15:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, uses the existing ones iirc | Mar 08 15:58 |
| GoForbes28 | Then I won't get it | Mar 08 15:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] @fabsh We've 2 Starbucks in town, both have drive-thrus—one is <7km from me. Drive-in burger places are popular too.Drive-thru nation indeed | Mar 08 15:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] Obama's 180 on #gitmo is his biggest failure: http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/03/07/AR2011030704871.html | Mar 08 15:58 | |
| GoForbes28 | I'm serious about this | Mar 08 15:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: like I said, radeons dont have real firmware blobs. | Mar 08 15:58 |
| GoForbes28 | but it is enough for it not to work with Linux libre or distro like Trisquel | Mar 08 15:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres no reason for the radeon driver not to already use it's own other than the devs are busy as hell | Mar 08 15:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: works on debian | Mar 08 15:59 |
| GoForbes28 | Once you install the firmware... | Mar 08 15:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, but I dont think radeon is in the nonfree firmware package | Mar 08 15:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | but I could be wrong | Mar 08 15:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Second half starts. 1 - 0 to !barca !football | Mar 08 16:00 | |
| GoForbes28 | I have to go for class, may bbl | Mar 08 16:00 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Massive Research Report On 'Piracy' In Emerging Economies; Debunks Entire Foundation Of US Foreign IP Policy - http://bit.ly/gHIStI | Mar 08 16:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I approve. ♺ @biglesp: drinking rum ...that is all. !lo | Mar 08 16:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @lamm Starbucks are all in inner-city areas w/o drive-throughs in Germany or I would go there. Can't park close to the ones in Bonn though. | Mar 08 16:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Shite! Nobody likes to see that! !barca !football | Mar 08 16:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @rrix I don't care about cross-desktop. I only run one desktop. So do 95% of users. | Mar 08 16:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @lamm I have 3 Starbucks in < 1km from me. Great on foot, sucks if you're in a car. | Mar 08 16:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Red card Persie #sweet :) !barca | Mar 08 16:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] @fabsh and for those who run kde apps on gnome or the other way around? | Mar 08 16:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] @fabsh more people do that than you realize. | Mar 08 16:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @rrix I know that people do that. The KDE apps I've used on Gnome all worked well as far as tray icons were concerned. | Mar 08 16:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @rrix Of course, the theming of the windows is horrible..... | Mar 08 16:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] slogan idea: I find your lack of FaiF #disturbing | Mar 08 16:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] News Corp Backs Digital #Music Alternative - http://on.mash.to/ht5xhY intriguing, but I don't quite get the business model here | Mar 08 16:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] <3 ♺ @psquid: First stop on my sightseeing tour of the !lo !minecraft server: a Nuclear Chicken! http://i.imgur.com/5T5fO.png | Mar 08 16:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Arsenal are fowling bastards. That is all !barca | Mar 08 16:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @biglesp: just one more rum, its a school night !lo | Mar 08 16:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Pure genius: Charlie Brooker iPad 2 http://outl.ws/dLuOBz | Mar 08 16:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Goooooaaaaallllll !barca !football | Mar 08 16:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "We are now a species that applauds cables." | Mar 08 16:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "Apparently not everyone is seeing the iPad as the shit miracle it is." | Mar 08 16:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "You'll be entering skeleton mode..." | Mar 08 16:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Installing Fedora 15 Alpha on my netbook. Let's see how GNOME Shell works on my Eee PC 701. | Mar 08 16:23 | |
| DaemonFC | I tried out GNOME Shell | Mar 08 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | it didn't end up being far off from the picture of "GNOME 3" on Uncyclopedia | Mar 08 16:24 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: was it the latest version? | Mar 08 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20060111175314/uncyclopedia/images/4/48/Next-gnome.png | Mar 08 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | hehe | Mar 08 16:24 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: i'll upgrade to KDE 4.6.1 in PC Linux OS, later | Mar 08 16:25 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: ok just seen that image | Mar 08 16:25 |
| sebsebseb | so basically your saying, that you had issues? | Mar 08 16:25 |
| DaemonFC | I'm saying they even got rid of the appearance settings | Mar 08 16:26 |
| DaemonFC | at least from what I could tell, all you can do is change the wallpaper | Mar 08 16:26 |
| sebsebseb | uhmm | Mar 08 16:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @psquid: Second stop on my sightseeing tour of the !lo !minecraft server: a big-ass wall, with a stairway! http://i.imgur.com/EWL5P.png | Mar 08 16:26 | |
| sebsebseb | there's a new program | Mar 08 16:26 |
| sebsebseb | for changing wall papers and stuff like that | Mar 08 16:26 |
| MinceR | is it called gconf-editor? | Mar 08 16:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] RT @glynmoody 'Bullied' #police to stage protests over pay cuts - http://bit.ly/idFsWg I have only one thing to say to this: "kettling" | Mar 08 16:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] RT @glynmoody State of Play: Public Sector Information in the United States - http://bit.ly/enFVRg useful to have #opendata #publicsector | Mar 08 16:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Yay! #Tenn. #Teachers Join Battle Against Anti-Union Bills http://n.pr/fE0iF0 #Nashville #TN | Mar 08 16:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] RT @glynmoody Fearing iTunes-Like Domination, #Hollywood Plots Netflix’s Downfall - http://bit.ly/dSlRrn yeah, must destroy anything new ... | Mar 08 16:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] RT @glynmoody James Bond in Drag For International Women’s Day - http://bit.ly/dNal6t nicely done... #iwd | Mar 08 16:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] On comes Bender. To little too late. | Mar 08 16:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] FUCK ME! Oo ♺ @psquid: behind the wall. Really awesome! http://i.imgur.com | Mar 08 16:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pmctechblog/@pmctechblog] Will !Unity or !Gnome 3.0 be able to do video or live backgrounds easier than Gnome 2? !ubuntu !linux | Mar 08 16:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Afellay comes on just chuckle at the gooner performance. !football !barca | Mar 08 16:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] RT @mv Wis. Republicans Flee Public Meeting Filled with Supporters of Public Employees http://bit.ly/dWsqQ7 !wisconsin !ilm !a http://ur ... | Mar 08 16:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @psquid: Third stop on my sightseeing tour of the #lo #minecraft server: Some big, bad bones. http://imgur.com/Cjym3 | Mar 08 16:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @psquid: Fourth stop on my sightseeing tour of the #lo #minecraft server: a sky-ship dock! http://i.imgur.com/ErIbD.png | Mar 08 16:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !barca win !football | Mar 08 16:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] RT @rms US Uncut Protests http://ur1.ca/3fcrc | Mar 08 16:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] wouldn't be a successful govt bailout if it didn't allow for obscene bonuses to be paid for failing http://tighturl.com/2zq1 #bankers | Mar 08 16:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] WOW!!! ♺ @psquid: Fifth stop on my sightseeing tour of the !lo !minecraft server: sunrise, and a skull. http://imgur.com/GWOB1 | Mar 08 16:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Wenger accepts ref's decisions, fair game....what? He's complaining again? Can't be. Complaining is just not like him | Mar 08 16:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ex-Daily Star reporter now being harassed http://tighturl.com/2zq2 source suspected to be his former employers | Mar 08 17:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] so we can assume the usual abuse of powers by the papers with lots of front page exposes destroying his career | Mar 08 17:01 | |
| MinceR | gn | Mar 08 17:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Better than the damn hotdog: http://ryanlerch.fedorapeople.org/sheepyshenannigans.png | Mar 08 17:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] will the #Met do a better job of investigating phone hacking this time? wouldn't hold my breath | Mar 08 17:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Economic Cyberwar: The New Security Mandate - http://bit.ly/fdCGDt deeply flawed piece confusing "IP" & #innovation (v @jjn1) #china | Mar 08 17:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Observations: Short on sleep, brain optimistically favors long odds (SciAmerican): http://bit.ly/fTV3vC | Mar 08 17:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Oh god.... @th3k4ty is digging for lava..... Oo | Mar 08 17:08 | |
| DaemonFC | every once in a while I notice something in GNOME and think that the developer that did this should be shot | Mar 08 17:10 |
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| DaemonFC | that stupid file sharing thing that takes up a good inch of screen real estate in Nautilus that you can't turn off :) | Mar 08 17:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] WebOS game manager for #N900 #Maemo http://is.gd/ol7msa | Mar 08 17:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Such a cute sheep. I really like it! :D http://www.openclipart.org/detail/1744 | Mar 08 17:11 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Reason why I like KDE they normally are too many options. Where Gnome is normally too frew | Mar 08 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | it's nice until they miss the ONE I wanted | Mar 08 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 17:12 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, I agree :) | Mar 08 17:12 |
| oiaohm | Exactly the issue | Mar 08 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | I'll stop using Kubuntu period if Canonical decides it needs to write its own proprietary KDE add ons | Mar 08 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | so far they left it alone | Mar 08 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | in GNOME they broke Bluetooth sharing to enable that stupid Ubuntu One shit | Mar 08 17:13 |
| oiaohm | Canonical decided to simplerfy KDE | Mar 08 17:13 |
| oiaohm | They did not get the idea of KDE at all. | Mar 08 17:13 |
| oiaohm | Ie KDE goal is always to be too many options. | Mar 08 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | KDE is pretty vanilla in Kubuntu | Mar 08 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | Canonical hasn't tried to dive in and botch it | Mar 08 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | yet | Mar 08 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | as long as they only do stupid things to GNOME, fine | Mar 08 17:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh unlike Ubuntu's which have a touch of humours wordplay, that helps a lot to memorize. | Mar 08 17:15 | |
| DaemonFC | brb | Mar 08 17:15 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @fabsh Obstinate Orangutan FTW \o/ | Mar 08 17:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[demuxer/@demuxer] this !cablegate http://rod.gs/gve (originated by 2009) is officially confirmed TODAY http://rod.gs/Zqg !wikileaks !Guatemala | Mar 08 17:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh heh, me... I'm a number person. It's easier for me to memorize Ubuntu 11.4 than Natty nwhat? Same for Fedora :) | Mar 08 17:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh @ruiseabra Felicia was the worst ever | Mar 08 17:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Senators tell Biden to push Russia into antipiracy - http://cnet.co/h6V46y let's hope #Russia tells Biden where to push *that* idea... | Mar 08 17:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Wishes people would just have more fun and enjoy the @beefymiracle . No one has fun in !fedora any more. | Mar 08 17:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Imaginary Foundation just released a collaborative tshirt for Larry @Lessig's REMIX. Check it out! http://bit.ly/f8tWnU | Mar 08 17:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] damn, the new #MortalKombat does look kinda tasty http://tighturl.com/2zq6 | Mar 08 17:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: Chromify-OSD adds GMail support http://goo.gl/FJNqb !chromium | Mar 08 17:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] sloppy #Slashdot linkbait again involving #Android http://tighturl.com/2zq7 | Mar 08 17:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] The xf86-video-chrome Driver Is Now "Stable": The xf86-video-chrome driver, which is the open-source VIA Linux X... http://bit.ly/eAScen | Mar 08 17:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh @quaid Well maybe new community members. Though not me. I don't even know the codenames. It's just F14 to me, | Mar 08 17:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #FTC starts looking at the #Patent #Troll problem http://tighturl.com/2zq8 | Mar 08 17:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] new report debunking the entire foundation of US foreign IP policy http://tighturl.com/2zq9 #awesome | Mar 08 17:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh I'm not familiar enough with RPMs yet to start on alphas. I might go for the beta, but enjoying the change form Ubuntu to Debian now | Mar 08 17:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @thistleweb: @nybill whatever the project is, ya have to use a #Discworld naming scheme, ya just gots ta, it's ripe for the pluckin' | Mar 08 17:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Robert Ancell: And now for some good news: GTK3, GNOME Shell/Unity, GObject Introspection, Vala http://goo.gl/DdwLE | Mar 08 18:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Catching up with email. Feeling bad that I've neglected stuff from @bkuhn and !BUSC so long... :/ | Mar 08 18:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] KB days – second edition. March towards Firefox 4 http://bit.ly/hedSI3 | Mar 08 18:05 | |
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| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I don't recall that Phoronix guy saying whether he had vsync on or off | Mar 08 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | you should use driconf to force it off globally as it is a huge bottleneck for the readon drivers | Mar 08 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | KWin compositing will go from choppy to smooth as silk by flipping vsync off | Mar 08 18:08 |
| DaemonFC | the whole point of vsync is to match the vertical refresh rate, not make the framerate slower | Mar 08 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | this is one part where the driver needs a lot of work | Mar 08 18:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Discworld seems like just hollow fiction on the surface, but there's themes and layers in each novel that go much deeper | Mar 08 18:10 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: really a evil evil cheat is missing. | Mar 08 18:11 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Nvidia drivers contain a nice little cheat where the render fully the frames required for a vsync | Mar 08 18:12 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: but not the frames not required. | Mar 08 18:12 |
| oiaohm | Ie DaemonFC frames not require for a vsync are only part rendered. | Mar 08 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | only enough for the driver to decide whether it needs it or not | Mar 08 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | FGLRX does the same thing lately | Mar 08 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | ever since they introduced their new 2d acceleration architecture | Mar 08 18:13 |
| oiaohm | Open source drivers don't have that yet. | Mar 08 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | it blows the old one out of the water, though it's not DRI 2 | Mar 08 18:14 |
| oiaohm | Of course the first stage is being able to track and cap to vsync. | Mar 08 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | DRI2 drivers all render 2d stuff faster than ATI | Mar 08 18:14 |
| oiaohm | And Nvidia | Mar 08 18:14 |
| oiaohm | Closed source drivers are not known for there 2d rendering speed. | Mar 08 18:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] Red Hat and the GPL http://lwn.net/Articles/432012/rss | Mar 08 18:15 | |
| DaemonFC | FGLRX's old 2d acceleration code was so bad that you'd try to avoid doing simple things like a window resize | Mar 08 18:15 |
| oiaohm | Except on windows where they are quite decent at 2d | Mar 08 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | at least that's not the case now | Mar 08 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | I think I noticed at one point that VESA actually resized windows smoother than the old FGLRX 2d | Mar 08 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 18:16 |
| oiaohm | Even on the 2d side | Mar 08 18:16 |
| oiaohm | X11 servers have not been designed todo that in the GPU. | Mar 08 18:17 |
| oiaohm | Ie too much shipping between cpu ram and video card ram in 2d modes. | Mar 08 18:17 |
| oiaohm | Being worked on of course so 2d under open source drivers is going to get faster yet. | Mar 08 18:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @themadhatter I love Otto, the idea of a black ribboner vampire who turns to dust when the flash goes off, working as the press photographer | Mar 08 18:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] Hi @lostnbronx! | Mar 08 18:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@glynmoody: Massive Research Report On 'Piracy' In Emerging Economies Debunks Entire Foundation Of US Foreign IP Policyhttp://bit.ly/gHIStI | Mar 08 18:21 | |
| oiaohm | Also stupidly Intel video card drivers managed to use less cpu time playing back videos than Nvidia. | Mar 08 18:21 |
| DaemonFC | what's the difference between direct and indirect rendering? | Mar 08 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | is one faster? | Mar 08 18:23 |
| oiaohm | direct is normally faster. | Mar 08 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | KDE prefers direct, but Compiz and mutter both default to indirect | Mar 08 18:24 |
| oiaohm | Also wine hates indirect | Mar 08 18:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @popey: Yay! http://twitpic.com/47lnli #census #noreligion | Mar 08 18:25 | |
| oiaohm | Issue with indirect is some middle man is playing with the data you are sending to video card. | Mar 08 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | is this why Wine acts up more under Compiz than KWin? | Mar 08 18:25 |
| oiaohm | Wine will mess up under both. | Mar 08 18:25 |
| oiaohm | kwin is fine if you have dri2 drivers with wine. | Mar 08 18:25 |
| oiaohm | Dri1 issue wine digs out over and over again. Ie the 1 applicaiton using opengl only rule of dri1. | Mar 08 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I noticed FGLRX is faster than free ati drivers in Wine, but it often leads to texture corruptions that don't happen with the free driver | Mar 08 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | so some games end up unplayable anyway | Mar 08 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | with Wine as a deciding factor, don't even try to pick drivers | Mar 08 18:27 |
| oiaohm | FGLRX is fine normally without compiz and with kwin with its compositing features turned off. | Mar 08 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | both fail in different ways on different things | Mar 08 18:27 |
| oiaohm | With wine. | Mar 08 18:27 |
| oiaohm | Wine camp sooner DRI2 drivers are here the better. | Mar 08 18:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to bed. Long work day tomorrow.... Oo | Mar 08 18:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @bruce89: It's funny how people cling to GNOME 2.x's UI as if it's the best thing since sliced toast. 2002 is history now | Mar 08 18:28 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Nvidia has a stack of hacks that try to magically hide the dri1 issue. | Mar 08 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to end up building my own kernel on Natty :P | Mar 08 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | why are they still using 2.6.38-rc6? | Mar 08 18:29 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Problem is wine is insanely good at finding any flaw. | Mar 08 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | yes, Nvidia is unnaturally fast for a "DRI 1" driver | Mar 08 18:30 |
| oiaohm | indirect rendering is infact an attempt to hack around the dri1 limitation. | Mar 08 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | but that is because of hacks | Mar 08 18:30 |
| oiaohm | And those hacks are not without prices. | Mar 08 18:30 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: really thinking the open source drivers are not frame cheating the ATI ones are runing quite well. | Mar 08 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | well, if the choice is be a little slower or piss off every application into exposing bugs..... | Mar 08 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I'd be happy with slower, to a point | Mar 08 18:34 |
| oiaohm | What I am looking at is when frame cheating gets implemented. | Mar 08 18:35 |
| oiaohm | The frame rate should be able to come up prity close to where the ATI is now. | Mar 08 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather just disable vsync and not worry about my card getting sent crap that it doesn't need to render | Mar 08 18:35 |
| oiaohm | with the closed source | Mar 08 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | nothing like clogging the pipeline for no reason | Mar 08 18:36 |
| oiaohm | Really enable vsync can have frame dropping. | Mar 08 18:36 |
| oiaohm | Ie lack of frame dropping feature is why vsync hurts. | Mar 08 18:36 |
| oiaohm | But its one of those annoying order things. | Mar 08 18:36 |
| oiaohm | You cannot implement a frame dropping feature without vsync working. DaemonFC | Mar 08 18:37 |
| oiaohm | Places in the 3d driver development at times is take 2 step backward to be able to take 8 steps forwards latter. | Mar 08 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | Mesa 7.11-devel is not performing better than 7.10 so far, but it has a few more features | Mar 08 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | so applications that wouldn't work could suddenly start working | Mar 08 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | do you figure the Mesa from Xorg-edgers would accept that S3 texture library? | Mar 08 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | Debian Multimedia has that particular library in a deb package | Mar 08 18:42 |
| oiaohm | From memory S3 texture issue patents expire in 4 to 5 years. | Mar 08 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | would be nice to have | Mar 08 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care if I violate their patent | Mar 08 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | their patent is ridiculous | Mar 08 18:44 |
| oiaohm | Yep patent 1997 | Mar 08 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: How does linux-next work? | Mar 08 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | it's a patch against 2.6.38-rc8 right now | Mar 08 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | that's the bleeding edge tree, right? | Mar 08 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | is it normally usable? | Mar 08 18:46 |
| oiaohm | So it expires end of 2017 DaemonFC | Mar 08 18:46 |
| oiaohm | So there is a good chance with a little taking the patent holder might give it up. | Mar 08 18:47 |
| oiaohm | And intergrating it into tree now is not bad thing thinking in 6 years that is a short time by Linux standards they will be able to. | Mar 08 18:47 |
| oiaohm | linux-next is a test bed tree. DaemonFC | Mar 08 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | is there a way to just use drm-next? | Mar 08 18:48 |
| oiaohm | Each subsystem maintainer has there own tree. | Mar 08 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | all I'm interested in is the latest DRM code | Mar 08 18:48 |
| oiaohm | to make sure all the subsystem maintainer tree are in workable sync. | Mar 08 18:48 |
| oiaohm | linux-next exists. | Mar 08 18:48 |
| oiaohm | Ie Linux-next is not based on the past stable kernel directly. | Mar 08 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | if I click on Snapshot of drm-next, it offers me a tarball | Mar 08 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | what is that? an entire kernel? based on what? | Mar 08 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | it would be cool to stay on the edge with the latest kernel DRM code | Mar 08 18:49 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: subsystem maintainers tree. | Mar 08 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of neat stuff happens there | Mar 08 18:50 |
| oiaohm | Really want to know to use git. | Mar 08 18:50 |
| oiaohm | Not pull snap shots from a subsystem maintainers tree. | Mar 08 18:50 |
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| DaemonFC | the kernel moves too slow for me with this kind of stuff | Mar 08 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | it's like nothing happens for months, then BAM, a bunch of new features all in one hit | Mar 08 18:50 |
| oiaohm | git supports tree merging. DaemonFC | Mar 08 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | then wait 3 more months | Mar 08 18:51 |
| oiaohm | That is what linux next is. | Mar 08 18:51 |
| oiaohm | but if you don't want to run everything insane. | Mar 08 18:51 |
| oiaohm | You can tree merge like the drm-next tree back into current release stable. | Mar 08 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | I should just pull the drm-next tree | Mar 08 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | right? | Mar 08 18:51 |
| oiaohm | Really get to know git little deeper before doing anything. | Mar 08 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I was not going to dive right in with linux-next, it would introduce bugs in things I don't care about that much | Mar 08 18:52 |
| oiaohm | Because you most likely want drm-next tree mixed with the stable tree. | Mar 08 18:52 |
| oiaohm | linux-next has every leading edge tree. | Mar 08 18:52 |
| oiaohm | For every driver | Mar 08 18:52 |
| oiaohm | Even items that linus rejects because they fail testing. DaemonFC | Mar 08 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | which means bugs, data loss, kernel refusing to boot | Mar 08 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | knowing my luck | Mar 08 18:53 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Mar 08 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | I'd just like the latest kernel + all the latest DRM code | Mar 08 18:53 |
| oiaohm | linux-next tree good for subsystem maintainers to keep in sync. | Mar 08 18:53 |
| oiaohm | Anyone else using it is nuts. | Mar 08 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | my video card is really the only thing I have that Linux could support a lot better | Mar 08 18:53 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: You notice the term git pull a lot | Mar 08 18:54 |
| oiaohm | That is a git feature. | Mar 08 18:54 |
| oiaohm | Allows you to pull a tree like drm-next over the current tree you have. | Mar 08 18:54 |
| oiaohm | So making a new kernel with all the feature of the stable and all the features added in drm-next. | Mar 08 18:55 |
| oiaohm | Basically once you know git you will be able todo what you want fairly good. DaemonFC | Mar 08 18:55 |
| oiaohm | Of course you would check linux-next before doing a major pull incase the drm maintainer did something stupid and it will not merge at the moment. | Mar 08 18:56 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: git is a great tool for the flex it gives you. But of course flex comes with risk. Closer to the bleeding edge higher risk of bugs. | Mar 08 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | I used to use the predecessor of next | Mar 08 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | same thing really | Mar 08 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | the nvidia binary driver usually supports those too | Mar 08 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | I remember I had to edit the source of the glue layer and comment a bunch of stuff out to get it to build once | Mar 08 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | was just a shot in the dark, but it worked | Mar 08 19:00 |
| oiaohm | No next is more scary than the old devel branch. | Mar 08 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | what I can't stand is that Ubuntu isn't actually using upstream AppArmor | Mar 08 19:01 |
| oiaohm | Because they had to enchance it. | Mar 08 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | if you don't apply their patches, not only does AppArmor not work, it displays very verbose complaints as well :) | Mar 08 19:01 |
| oiaohm | And upstream rejected there alterations. | Mar 08 19:01 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu don't play well with others. | Mar 08 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | they fought to get it upstreamed and then won't use the upstream version | Mar 08 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | that's maddeningly unhelpful | Mar 08 19:02 |
| oiaohm | Upstream rejected there last lot of patches | Mar 08 19:02 |
| oiaohm | On the grounds it broke backwards compadiblity. | Mar 08 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | so instead they put them in Ubuntu anyway | Mar 08 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | and essentially have a fork | Mar 08 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 19:03 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu does this over and over again. | Mar 08 19:03 |
| oiaohm | And they don't seam to be learning. | Mar 08 19:03 |
| oiaohm | Upstream is more often than not right. | Mar 08 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | they will when they have to maintain it all as upstream gets further and further away | Mar 08 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | and eventually they are left eating dust | Mar 08 19:03 |
| oiaohm | Or they die under the workload. | Mar 08 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | a fork is easy to maintain when it's just starting out | Mar 08 19:04 |
| oiaohm | Like google internally was. | Mar 08 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | but it gets harder and harder | Mar 08 19:04 |
| oiaohm | Google 12 years | Mar 08 19:04 |
| oiaohm | Then it was that hard that google with all its resource could not maintain it. | Mar 08 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | lots of the changelog in Fedora packages is "Drop patch X, it got upstreamed" "Drop patch Y, it didn't" | Mar 08 19:05 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat wasn't always such a pleasure to use | Mar 08 19:05 |
| oiaohm | Thing is Y patch would have past first act | Mar 08 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | they made insane decisions that border on what Canonical does now | Mar 08 19:06 |
| oiaohm | Ie sent upstream and got maintainer tick off. | Mar 08 19:06 |
| oiaohm | But under the next level of inspection got rejected. | Mar 08 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | they usually ask first if it could get upstream, patch their version, and drop the patch when the upstream takes it | Mar 08 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | that's why you don't see a lot of patches in Fedora that just bounce back | Mar 08 19:06 |
| oiaohm | Fedora a few patches a year get past first maintainer | Mar 08 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | Canonical just sends jono out to cover their asses and insult every upstream that told them their work is stupid | Mar 08 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 19:07 |
| oiaohm | And then get to Linus and next level maintainers and get bounced. | Mar 08 19:07 |
| jono | DaemonFC, well, it is my job | Mar 08 19:08 |
| jono | insulting upstreams | Mar 08 19:08 |
| jono | and being a Canonical shill | Mar 08 19:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] !VoIP for Google Voice now works with !SIP-- No more proprietary software needed! http://redd.it/g03pl | Mar 08 19:08 | |
| jono | :P | Mar 08 19:08 |
| jono | oh, and throwing kittens into burning fires | Mar 08 19:08 |
| jono | and making cups of tea with old milk | Mar 08 19:08 |
| jono | etc etc... | Mar 08 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | this is up from merely helping your boss punch them | Mar 08 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 19:08 |
| jono | lol | Mar 08 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | "IGOR, where are you!? Bring me another package to mutilate! I HUNGER!" | Mar 08 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 08 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | we'll call it "Scrollbar 2.0" | Mar 08 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | and ransom the old ones for, one million dollars! | Mar 08 19:10 |
| oiaohm | jono: Suse use of Spacewalk is inside the rules. Redhat own commerical version of Spacewalk is Satellite. Each distrobution tweeking it is expected to rename it. This infact prevents trademark issues. | Mar 08 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it's no more wrong than repainting RHEL as CentOS or Scientific Linux | Mar 08 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | they're compliant with the license, that's all that really counts | Mar 08 19:12 |
| jono | oiaohm, I am not sure I suggested otherwise | Mar 08 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | really Canonical has to be congratulated for not stooping to Oracle's level | Mar 08 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | cloning RHEL and saying "Hey RHEL customers, point your Up2Date over here!" | Mar 08 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | "We have cheaper slave collars" | Mar 08 19:13 |
| oiaohm | jono: The issue with Banshee is the alteration does cross into trademark issues and Consumer protection laws. Particular all Consumer laws covering consumer deception. | Mar 08 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Mar 08 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | as far as I know, Banshee has never said you couldn't call it Banshee and hasn't acted to stop anyone from that | Mar 08 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | but you're right, they could, it is trademarked | Mar 08 19:14 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Novell holds the Banshee trademark | Mar 08 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of things are trademarked and modified and used without permission | Mar 08 19:14 |
| jono | oiaohm, there is no trademark issue at all - we are not infringing on the trademark | Mar 08 19:14 |
| jono | how is it a trademark infringement? | Mar 08 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | jono: Are you still offering afio? | Mar 08 19:14 |
| jono | and how does it relate to consumer protection when the license allows such a change | Mar 08 19:14 |
| oiaohm | jono: Its false repesentation. | Mar 08 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | under the IANAL relicense | Mar 08 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 19:15 |
| jono | oiaohm, how so? the Banshee team legally allow such a change | Mar 08 19:15 |
| oiaohm | jono: after you threated. | Mar 08 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's distasteful and dishonest, but not against the letter of the law | Mar 08 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | I think is what jono is saying | Mar 08 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 19:15 |
| jono | oiaohm, trademark infringement is when you claim to be something different than the trademark represents - we are still shipping Banshee | Mar 08 19:15 |
| oiaohm | jono: any agreement under duress means nothing. | Mar 08 19:15 |
| jono | oiaohm, careful, no one threatened anyone | Mar 08 19:16 |
| oiaohm | jono: basic contract law. | Mar 08 19:16 |
| oiaohm | No you did. | Mar 08 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | jono: Mozilla came out of nowhere and sandbagged Debian with trademark complaints | Mar 08 19:16 |
| jono | DaemonFC, I totally see how some people feel it is culturally insensitive, but yes, it is legally acceptable, the license allows it | Mar 08 19:16 |
| oiaohm | You said you would remove the feature. | Mar 08 19:16 |
| oiaohm | That is legally a threat. jono | Mar 08 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | just because Ubuntu got a sweetheart deal there doesn't mean all upstreams will | Mar 08 19:16 |
| jono | oiaohm, which contract? | Mar 08 19:16 |
| jono | and what was the specific threat | Mar 08 19:16 |
| jono | ? | Mar 08 19:16 |
| oiaohm | jono: all agreement when it comes to this kind of alteration come under contract law. | Mar 08 19:17 |
| oiaohm | contracts don't have to be written. | Mar 08 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox is a great big bloated pile of bugs and random assorted crap | Mar 08 19:17 |
| jono | oiaohm, no contract has been signed with the Banshee team, so how is it a contract issue? | Mar 08 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | they should just be glad anyone is willing to use it by choice | Mar 08 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 19:17 |
| oiaohm | jono: stop being a idiot. | Mar 08 19:17 |
| oiaohm | what is a verbal contract. | Mar 08 19:17 |
| jono | oiaohm, please be respectful | Mar 08 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | I consider Firefox to be the IE of GNOME-based Linux | Mar 08 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | it's there, the help system and several other things need it | Mar 08 19:18 |
| jono | oiaohm, verbal contracts are not protected by contract law | Mar 08 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | you can't get rid of it | Mar 08 19:18 |
| oiaohm | That the banshee people approve that you could do x alteration falls under verbal contracts. | Mar 08 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | it's slow, buggy, and a security risk | Mar 08 19:18 |
| oiaohm | jono: infact verbal contract do fall under contract law | Mar 08 19:18 |
| oiaohm | If they can be proven to be in existance. | Mar 08 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | yes, but those are almost impossible to enforce | Mar 08 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | there have to be witnesses, credible ones | Mar 08 19:18 |
| jono | oiaohm, if you want to criticise Canonical for backtracking on an agreement, you are totally within your rights to do so, but your legal assessment is without grounds from my (limited) knowledge of contract law | Mar 08 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | the more the better | Mar 08 19:18 |
| oiaohm | Problem is normally proven the existance of a verbal contract. | Mar 08 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | they don't say "Get it in writing" for no reason | Mar 08 19:19 |
| jono | oiaohm, apart from anything, there was no verbal contract, there was an offer, and it was rejected | Mar 08 19:19 |
| oiaohm | common legal mistake is that a verbal contract is not covered by contract law. | Mar 08 19:19 |
| jono | which by definitions means so such agreement or verbal contract existed | Mar 08 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | you should have kept your collective mouths shut and just did it | Mar 08 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | legally safer since nothing in the license forbids it | Mar 08 19:20 |
| oiaohm | Basically jono legally any form of agreement fall under contract law. | Mar 08 19:20 |
| jono | oiaohm, and given that you were not involved in any of the discussions, I find it ironic that you feel you can quantatively say that (a) we threatened Banshee and (b) you know there was a verbal contract | Mar 08 19:20 |
| oiaohm | And most never have duress. | Mar 08 19:20 |
| oiaohm | most/must | Mar 08 19:20 |
| jono | oiaohm, don't judge a perceived cultural indiscretion as a legal issue | Mar 08 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | Kubuntu is still Mono-free | Mar 08 19:21 |
| jono | I think you are barking up the wrong tree | Mar 08 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | there's qt4 bindings but nothing uses them | Mar 08 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | no software, means no reason for distros to foist it on you | Mar 08 19:21 |
| jono | anyway, I better get back to work | Mar 08 19:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] working on a #Discworld post for people who have never heard of it | Mar 08 19:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Fedora GNOME 3 Test Day http://lwn.net/Articles/432201/rss | Mar 08 19:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Younger son has to do "Home Based Learning" - but needs 'doze for it. Will MOE fund a copy of 'doze? No open standards? FAIL! #fb | Mar 08 19:21 | |
| jono | writing a blog about the Ubuntu Global Jam :-) | Mar 08 19:21 |
| oiaohm | jono: problem agreement does not protect you from the consumer projection laws. Particularly here. | Mar 08 19:21 |
| jono | get some folks together to have some fun :-) | Mar 08 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | jono: I have one big question for you | Mar 08 19:21 |
| jono | oiaohm, ok, so how have we breached consumer protection laws? | Mar 08 19:22 |
| jono | DaemonFC, sure | Mar 08 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | Why is it that you can't support Mono like Debian does? ie, get rid of tomboy and banshee, and the system replaces them with Rhytmbox and Gnote | Mar 08 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | for example | Mar 08 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | you can make the ubuntu desktop package depend on either/or | Mar 08 19:22 |
| oiaohm | jono: Very simply 2 users 1 using fedora one using Ubuntu. User using the program unless clearly displayed that the money is going a differenet path. | Mar 08 19:22 |
| oiaohm | The user in in there right to be presume the money is going to the same location. | Mar 08 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | Debian doesn't depend on Mono, if you remove something, it replaces it with a non-Mono stand-in | Mar 08 19:23 |
| jono | oiaohm, I don't understand - how is the rights of the consumer being abused? | Mar 08 19:23 |
| oiaohm | Since its not currently clearly displayed the user could be decieved where the money is going so illegal. | Mar 08 19:23 |
| oiaohm | Because where the users is believe there money is going may not be the case. jono | Mar 08 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | jono: It would let you have cake and eat it to, Banshee is there, but people who don't want it get kicked back to Rhythmbox | Mar 08 19:24 |
| oiaohm | So you are decieving the user. | Mar 08 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | removing Banshee now means removing ubuntu-desktop | Mar 08 19:24 |
| jono | DaemonFC, well, the Ubuntu Technical Board does not see any risk in Mono as it stands today, so therefore we choose apps based on the best user experience (namely TobBoy as an example) - if the legal risk of Mono changes, we would remove those apps | Mar 08 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | so mandatory Mono | Mar 08 19:24 |
| jono | DaemonFC, in other words, if the TB are convinced that Mono is a risk, we would not ship it and then remove those apps and seek alternatives | Mar 08 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | you've disempowered the user to choose what the user wants and does not want | Mar 08 19:25 |
| oiaohm | jono: Its something you have to be very careful with doing a change like this. That person using the software that is clear that its changed. | Mar 08 19:25 |
| oiaohm | jono: changing the refer id alone is basically not enough. | Mar 08 19:25 |
| jono | oiaohm, so your view is that because we don't communicate where the money is going it is therefore illigal? | Mar 08 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | jono: I didn't say I'm qualified to certify it as a risk | Mar 08 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | I asked, what if I don't want it | Mar 08 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 19:25 |
| oiaohm | jono: that is the austrlaian law. | Mar 08 19:25 |
| jono | DaemonFC, oh you mean if you just don't want the app? | Mar 08 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Mar 08 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | the either/or method lets the user decide what they wish to have | Mar 08 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | you already do it in Kubuntu | Mar 08 19:26 |
| oiaohm | jono: and my big problem is the consumer protection laws called fair trading will hold me it account for you alteration if I install Ubuntu with the alteration the way it is on a customers machine. | Mar 08 19:26 |
| jono | oiaohm, I think you are incorrect - I don't *know* this - but if that was the case, any kind of sale would be illigal as there is revenue share in pretty much everything | Mar 08 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | remove Rekonq, get Konqueror | Mar 08 19:26 |
| jono | DaemonFC, can't you just remove them using the Ubuntu Software Center? | Mar 08 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | I prefer Konqueror, so my problem is solved when I get rid of Rekonq | Mar 08 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | jono: Ubuntu Desktop depends on everything in the default desktop | Mar 08 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | that's why you can't remove Banshee and be guaranteed that future updates work right | Mar 08 19:27 |
| jono | oiaohm, I think your legal reading of consumer protection is incorrect, but I suggest you contact a lawyer to get further information if you need to | Mar 08 19:27 |
| jono | DaemonFC, right, so if you remove Banshee, it tries to remove ubuntu-desktop? | Mar 08 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Mar 08 19:28 |
| oiaohm | jono: Under australian law if taking a percage in a commission that a nother product on shelf someone else is not. You have to declare it. | Mar 08 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | more elegant would be, Ubuntu desktop depends on Banshee -OR- Rhythmbox | Mar 08 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | Tomboy -OR- GNote | Mar 08 19:28 |
| oiaohm | jono: Simple fact is what you have done is illegal for Australia and a few other countries. | Mar 08 19:28 |
| oiaohm | jono: if all distributions were doing the same share setup. | Mar 08 19:28 |
| jono | DaemonFC, yeah, I agree that kinda sucks | Mar 08 19:28 |
| jono | DaemonFC, is there a bug filed about this? | Mar 08 19:29 |
| oiaohm | jono: There would be no legal problem here. | Mar 08 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | no, because it doesn't affect me (Kubuntu) | Mar 08 19:29 |
| oiaohm | jono: difference to the whole cause big problems. | Mar 08 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | and Kubuntu already does the right thing with Rekonq v Konqueror | Mar 08 19:29 |
| jono | DaemonFC, it might be worth filing a bug and mailing ubuntu-desktop about it - I think it is great feedback | Mar 08 19:29 |
| oiaohm | jono: and kinda have to be declared | Mar 08 19:29 |
| jono | oiaohm, I don't believe it is illigal - but IANAL | Mar 08 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | jono: File it on ubuntu or ubuntu-desktop? | Mar 08 19:30 |
| oiaohm | jono: most revenue is a counstant. | Mar 08 19:30 |
| oiaohm | jono: this issue does not come up. | Mar 08 19:30 |
| oiaohm | jono: Its that you did different sharing to everyone else. | Mar 08 19:30 |
| jono | DaemonFC, file it against ubuntu but maybe post to the ubuntu-desktop mailing list about it | Mar 08 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | In Kubuntu's case, I think Rekonq is more flashy and appealing to a typical desktop user, but Konqueror is far more powerful | Mar 08 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | they didn't deny me Konqueror and say use Rekonq or find a new disto | Mar 08 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | or "You must have Rekonq on your system even if it's useless to you" | Mar 08 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | likewise, I think Ubuntu has overlooked all the great improvements in Rhythmbox lately | Mar 08 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | in favor of Banshee | Mar 08 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | Rhythmbox's new Last.FM plug-in is already superior | Mar 08 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | Banshee seems to like to trip up and say "Gstreamer needs a plugin for text/html" | Mar 08 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | randomly :) | Mar 08 19:33 |
| oiaohm | jono: Australia fairtrade/counsumer protection laws. Are strict on issues of altered paths of sharing. Like of a maker starts selling on line direct and does not take the comission that its sellers have they land in trouble two. | Mar 08 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | I really hate their API 2.0, it's a paywall that glitches a lot more often than the old Radio API | Mar 08 19:34 |
| oiaohm | jono: its the one that changes away from expected is in trouble by fairtrading. | Mar 08 19:34 |
| jono | sorry guys, I have to get back to work | Mar 08 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't seem to affect Amarok or Clementine that way though | Mar 08 19:34 |
| jono | speak soon, take care | Mar 08 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 19:34 |
| jono | :-) | Mar 08 19:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[themadhatter/@themadhatter] RT @TonyClement_MP: Attending memorial service for Jim Travers, journalist extraordinaire... | Mar 08 19:35 | |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: I have enfored verbal contracts before. | Mar 08 19:36 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Having them on video and tape. | Mar 08 19:36 |
| oiaohm | Kinda makes them stick. | Mar 08 19:36 |
| oiaohm | Yes the idoit though a contract had to be written on paper. DaemonFC | Mar 08 19:37 |
| Ender2070 | if you have evidence | Mar 08 19:41 |
| Ender2070 | i'd argue your video and tape is fake | Mar 08 19:41 |
| oiaohm | Yes can try that. | Mar 08 19:43 |
| Ender2070 | very easy to fake that stuff | Mar 08 19:43 |
| oiaohm | Except for the fact I did not record the video. | Mar 08 19:43 |
| Ender2070 | who did? | Mar 08 19:44 |
| oiaohm | The guy who was paid to cover the event. | Mar 08 19:44 |
| oiaohm | Yes a independant with nothing to gain from the contract either way. | Mar 08 19:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] why am i getting an error when i try to leave !lo ? tired of minecraft posts. | Mar 08 19:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] I was an avionics mechanic in the army; I find this terrifying: iPads could replace paper charts in airline cockpits http://ur1.ca/3fe7u | Mar 08 19:45 | |
| oiaohm | Same rules apply. You need a witness. For a contract to be valid. Ender2070 | Mar 08 19:46 |
| oiaohm | Ie that there was no duress or other interference. | Mar 08 19:46 |
| Ender2070 | good stuff | Mar 08 19:46 |
| oiaohm | Obey contract law and the contract can be done on any media you like. | Mar 08 19:46 |
| oiaohm | And 100 percent binding. | Mar 08 19:47 |
| oiaohm | Most countries contract laws don't mention paper requirement. | Mar 08 19:48 |
| Ender2070 | yes that is true | Mar 08 19:48 |
| Ender2070 | it just happens to be the best evidence | Mar 08 19:48 |
| oiaohm | My case evidence was insanely solid. | Mar 08 19:49 |
| Ender2070 | my girlfriend for example was able to get out of a Fido contract | Mar 08 19:49 |
| Ender2070 | they lost proof of her signature | Mar 08 19:49 |
| oiaohm | You can also attempt to claim you signed a written contract under duress and other things. | Mar 08 19:50 |
| oiaohm | On video that is a little hard. | Mar 08 19:50 |
| Ender2070 | oh yes | Mar 08 19:50 |
| Ender2070 | thats the best one | Mar 08 19:50 |
| Ender2070 | you use it on cops | Mar 08 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | http://kernel.ubuntu.com/~kernel-ppa/mainline/v2.6.38-rc8-natty/ | Mar 08 19:50 |
| Ender2070 | when they make you sign a ticket | Mar 08 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | over 10 megs of patch against mainline? | Mar 08 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | sweet jesus | Mar 08 19:51 |
| Ender2070 | if the contract is non negotiable, its an adhesion contract | Mar 08 19:52 |
| Ender2070 | most cell providers use adhesion contracts | Mar 08 19:52 |
| oiaohm | I normally use the video solution with people who normally fight there way out of contracts. | Mar 08 19:52 |
| oiaohm | I use to do debt collection for a while. | Mar 08 19:52 |
| oiaohm | So you get all the bad kinds in there. | Mar 08 19:52 |
| Ender2070 | oh god, you're the devil? | Mar 08 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | Ender2070: I can only imagine what level of Hell should be reserved for debt collectors | Mar 08 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | they deserve worse than drug dealers | Mar 08 19:53 |
| Ender2070 | yeah exactly | Mar 08 19:53 |
| Ender2070 | every one i've ever dealt with has broken the law | Mar 08 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | some people like drugs, nobody likes a debt collector | Mar 08 19:54 |
| oiaohm | Really I was fairly nice. | Mar 08 19:54 |
| oiaohm | I would normally go armed with a solution that would get them out of debt in under 3 years. | Mar 08 19:54 |
| Ender2070 | these people were nice too | Mar 08 19:54 |
| oiaohm | legally and above board. | Mar 08 19:54 |
| Ender2070 | well good stuff | Mar 08 19:54 |
| Ender2070 | you're not even in north america right | Mar 08 19:54 |
| oiaohm | But to get a person out of debt that way they have to stick to contracts. | Mar 08 19:54 |
| oiaohm | Not say hey we will do this then 4 months latter not doing anything. | Mar 08 19:55 |
| oiaohm | Basically debt collector comes to your door the best way to piss them off is lie | Mar 08 19:55 |
| oiaohm | Then they wonder why debt collectors start taking assets and other items. | Mar 08 19:56 |
| oiaohm | We don't want to have todo that. | Mar 08 19:56 |
| Ender2070 | in canada, its illegal to use legal threats, its illegal to call more than twice a week, its illegal to call a cell phone, its illegal to contact you if you've notified them you didnt receive a notice | Mar 08 19:56 |
| oiaohm | In most cases. | Mar 08 19:56 |
| Ender2070 | and if you say 'i dispute the charge' | Mar 08 19:57 |
| Ender2070 | they can't call you ever again | Mar 08 19:57 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: Normally first thing I was offer off the start line 1 interest free payback. | Mar 08 19:57 |
| oiaohm | And sometimes even only having to pay back percentage of the debt. | Mar 08 19:57 |
| oiaohm | Really really nice. | Mar 08 19:58 |
| oiaohm | And if the debt was wrong. I would sue the person who gave me an invalid debt. | Mar 08 19:58 |
| Ender2070 | yeah here they just send it back to the company | Mar 08 19:58 |
| Ender2070 | if they persue it they are acting illegally | Mar 08 19:59 |
| oiaohm | Basically I get paid if its valid or invalid. | Mar 08 19:59 |
| oiaohm | So when I first knock on the door I am not there to be a prick. | Mar 08 19:59 |
| Ender2070 | im still dealing with a collection agency for bell canada | Mar 08 19:59 |
| Ender2070 | im considering serving them before they serve me | Mar 08 19:59 |
| Ender2070 | in a public cell phone pavilion in front of customers | Mar 08 20:00 |
| oiaohm | I don't know canada rules on invalid collection orders. | Mar 08 20:00 |
| Ender2070 | if its invalid | Mar 08 20:00 |
| Ender2070 | you say it is | Mar 08 20:00 |
| Ender2070 | and they have to leave you alone | Mar 08 20:00 |
| Ender2070 | they go back to the company and get a refund | Mar 08 20:00 |
| oiaohm | I mean for the collection agency. | Mar 08 20:00 |
| oiaohm | Ie do they still get paid. | Mar 08 20:01 |
| oiaohm | Some countries sux. | Mar 08 20:01 |
| Ender2070 | im not sure | Mar 08 20:01 |
| oiaohm | Ie collection agency does not get paid if its invalid. | Mar 08 20:01 |
| oiaohm | And those countries have bad debt collectors. | Mar 08 20:01 |
| Ender2070 | they probably get their money back | Mar 08 20:01 |
| oiaohm | USA in particular suxs. | Mar 08 20:01 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Mar 08 20:02 |
| oiaohm | Since debt collecting over there works on the bounty system. | Mar 08 20:02 |
| oiaohm | Only paid if collect. | Mar 08 20:02 |
| Ender2070 | every debt collector i've ever dealt with in Canada has acted illegally | Mar 08 20:02 |
| oiaohm | And the debt was valid. | Mar 08 20:02 |
| Ender2070 | never valid debts either | Mar 08 20:02 |
| oiaohm | or invalid | Mar 08 20:02 |
| Ender2070 | all of them bell canada, even a few years ago | Mar 08 20:02 |
| Ender2070 | i had their wimax service for less than 30 days and got rid of it | Mar 08 20:02 |
| Ender2070 | they charged me twice to cancel, instead of charging me nothing, then refused to say why i owed them money and went to a collection agency | Mar 08 20:03 |
| oiaohm | So australian collection agents are required to check out with person in first visit if the debt is valid. | Mar 08 20:03 |
| oiaohm | And if not get evendence proving it. | Mar 08 20:03 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Why Software Defaults Are Important & Benchmarked: Almost every time benchmarks are published on Phoronix, there... http://bit.ly/hdROso | Mar 08 20:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Game On Spotlight: Favimon http://mzl.la/hxUxyI | Mar 08 20:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] alrighty, the #Discworld blog post http://tighturl.com/2zqk | Mar 08 20:03 | |
| oiaohm | Really debt collectors here are hated but normally only by the gulity. | Mar 08 20:03 |
| oiaohm | Credit card debt collection has to be my most fun I did. | Mar 08 20:04 |
| oiaohm | Most case people only end up having to pay 10 percent of there card limit to clear the debt and agree not to have a credit card for 10 years. | Mar 08 20:05 |
| oiaohm | That is of course if they don't fight it. Ender2070 | Mar 08 20:05 |
| Ender2070 | LOL | Mar 08 20:06 |
| Ender2070 | seriously? | Mar 08 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | I'm trying to dig up all of Ubuntu's AppArmor patches to apply to my kernel | Mar 08 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 08 20:07 |
| Ender2070 | we have debt consolidators who do similar things but without the agreement not to have a credit card | Mar 08 20:07 |
| Ender2070 | you just go on a long term fixed payment contract | Mar 08 20:07 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: the banks here are on board. | Mar 08 20:07 |
| Ender2070 | but you end up paying like half your credit card debt | Mar 08 20:07 |
| oiaohm | Fair trading laws again in Australia | Mar 08 20:07 |
| oiaohm | The banks had breached there duity of care letting a person get massively into debt. | Mar 08 20:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Uurrrggh. 2nd time mconline.sg hangs on w7 machine and son angered by not being able to submit hwork. FAIL! #fb | Mar 08 20:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @creativecommons Imaginary Foundation just released a collaborative tshirt for Larry @Lessig's REMIX. Check it out! http://bit.ly/f8tWnU | Mar 08 20:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] #social #harmony my ass! #WTF is wrong... saw somebody being stabbed near the busstop/subway | Mar 08 20:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @nearyd Also ironic that the next Ubuntu release is yet again a cat (remind you of anyone?) And Dali's pet, no less! | Mar 08 20:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] just guessing this won't have endeared the defendant to the Judge's good books http://tighturl.com/2zqm | Mar 08 20:08 | |
| oiaohm | Yes getting a credit card here is not exactly simple. Ender2070 | Mar 08 20:08 |
| oiaohm | Since the bank might be stuck with the debt. | Mar 08 20:09 |
| oiaohm | That long term payment contract from the debt collectors. They are making like 80 percent on that if you pay 50 percent at least in most cases. Ender2070 | Mar 08 20:10 |
| oiaohm | Now of course of someone trys to break the payment contract or something like that. Debt collectors have to turn nasty. Ender2070 | Mar 08 20:11 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: we always try to leave a person with a roof over there head and means to goto work and earn money. | Mar 08 20:12 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: swaping a bmw for a 10 year old cheap car with patchwork paint. Did not go down well for some reason. | Mar 08 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart decided to up my credit limit by $400 | Mar 08 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Mar 08 20:13 |
| oiaohm | I have done that. | Mar 08 20:13 |
| oiaohm | person who was in debt massively. | Mar 08 20:13 |
| oiaohm | had almost brand new bmw | Mar 08 20:13 |
| oiaohm | So got permission to collect. | Mar 08 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I put stuff on the card and pay it right back | Mar 08 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | no interest, builds credit | Mar 08 20:14 |
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| oiaohm | Doing that you will never see a debt collector. DaemonFC | Mar 08 20:14 |
| DaemonFC | not for that anyway | Mar 08 20:14 |
| oiaohm | Debt collectors are not cheep. | Mar 08 20:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] TIP for foreigners in !China: when you see something bad happen, just keep walking. Else you might end up being accused of it! #money | Mar 08 20:15 | |
| DaemonFC | medical bills ruined my credit rating | Mar 08 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | so now I'm trying to build it back up brick by brick | Mar 08 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 08 20:15 |
| oiaohm | medical is something I never would debt collect on. | Mar 08 20:15 |
| oiaohm | Unless it was comsemtic. | Mar 08 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | I did have a 750 | Mar 08 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | now it's in the 500s | Mar 08 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | thanks to getting sick | Mar 08 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 20:15 |
| oiaohm | Yes you can guess why. I am male. | Mar 08 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | in the US, a person who defaults on a credit card full of plasma TVs and video games is considered as irresponsible as someone who had to have their appendix removed and jsut didn't have insurance | Mar 08 20:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Happy International Women’s Day - Indie "This Magazine" reminds us why it's still important: http://ur1.ca/3ffcr | Mar 08 20:16 | |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 20:16 |
| oiaohm | There was a female debt collector who use to handle medical caused debt. | Mar 08 20:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] And here is Umair Haque's interesting take on "The United States of Charlie Sheen" http://ur1.ca/3ffeb #notfollowing charlie | Mar 08 20:18 | |
| oiaohm | Yes she was good at the charm. Mostly to use against the place that had the debt. | Mar 08 20:18 |
| oiaohm | Normally she could get it down to cost of the hardware used in the treatment. | Mar 08 20:19 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Yes good debt collectors are double way weasles. | Mar 08 20:19 |
| oiaohm | I was good at talking to banks and businesses and getting them to drop to resonable terms that I had a chance of collecting on. | Mar 08 20:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Gentoo Linux 11.0 LiveDVD Released: While stable, tagged releases really aren't important to Gentoo users due to... http://bit.ly/i0ZB9x | Mar 08 20:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Google Releases VP8 Bali Codec SDK: Google has released a new version of its open VP8 codec. This new version, w... http://bit.ly/dIZZqU | Mar 08 20:20 | |
| DaemonFC | is there a patch for ureadahead somewhere? :) | Mar 08 20:20 |
| oiaohm | Ok that patch name is not meaning anything to me. What does it do. DaemonFC | Mar 08 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | it's a readahead daemon Ubuntu uses | Mar 08 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | needs a kernel patch | Mar 08 20:22 |
| oiaohm | God no. | Mar 08 20:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @themadhatter Only reason I've heard of discworld is from my kid :D (Made me read one too... the postman always rings twice or something) | Mar 08 20:25 | |
| oiaohm | https://fedorahosted.org/readahead/ Most like this one. | Mar 08 20:25 |
| oiaohm | But it don't start with U | Mar 08 20:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Open Web Apps, Join Mozilla, Web O’ Wonder and more… http://bit.ly/feXFXn | Mar 08 20:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] << time for dinner & then back to the grind #amproofing | Mar 08 20:28 | |
| DaemonFC | oh well, I found the apparmor patches | Mar 08 20:32 |
| Ender2070 | perhaps its UBUNTUreadahead | Mar 08 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | perhaps I'll just do what I always do and disable the userspace part so it doesn't bitch at me | Mar 08 20:39 |
| DaemonFC | if it does make the boot faster I can't tell | Mar 08 20:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @rebelk0de: French gov't gives more details of hack: 150 PCs compromised http://bit.ly/gqQYAE | Mar 08 20:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #Rightwing's idea of small govt: keep the yachts, fire the janitors. | Mar 08 20:40 | |
| DaemonFC | I just thought that since I was being industrious and looking for the apparmor patches, I'd try to find a ureadahead patch | Mar 08 20:40 |
| Ender2070 | apparmor is bullshit | Mar 08 20:42 |
| Ender2070 | SELinux is wayyyyy more intuitive | Mar 08 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | Video For Linux 1 has been removed | Mar 08 20:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: The Duke & the Despot | Mail http://is.gd/jTPHs7 !wl | Mar 08 20:46 | |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: Do I want old ALSA API support? | Mar 08 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Mar 08 20:47 |
| oiaohm | Modern distribution normally no. | Mar 08 20:47 |
| oiaohm | But ubuntu I don't know how insane they are. | Mar 08 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | looks like that API is from late 2002 and earlier | Mar 08 20:47 |
| DaemonFC | it's on in Ubuntu | Mar 08 20:48 |
| *DaemonFC kills it | Mar 08 20:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] #TomCruise, farmer? In #Colorado, some famous faces, names get ag-land #tax breaks http://ur1.ca/3fftd #wtf #wrong | Mar 08 20:50 | |
| DaemonFC | doesn't look like I need to build any staging drivers | Mar 08 20:50 |
| DaemonFC | They have transparent hugepage support turned off! | Mar 08 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | omg | Mar 08 20:57 |
| oiaohm | Really no valid reason to. | Mar 08 20:58 |
| oiaohm | thinking you can turn it off in proc if it causes issues. | Mar 08 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | dynamic ticks on or off? | Mar 08 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | seen this debated a lot | Mar 08 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | it's basically latency vs power use | Mar 08 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | right? | Mar 08 20:58 |
| oiaohm | Laptop dynamic ticks on. | Mar 08 20:58 |
| oiaohm | No question. | Mar 08 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Mar 08 20:59 |
| oiaohm | latency it really don't change much. | Mar 08 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | it's a lot of latency and doesn't seem to save much power | Mar 08 20:59 |
| oiaohm | Some applications are don't set there wake up requirements correctly. | Mar 08 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | I usually disable dynamic ticks and set HZ=300 | Mar 08 21:00 |
| oiaohm | current day up today coding standard programs dynamic ticks on have no negitive effects. | Mar 08 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | reasonable right? | Mar 08 21:00 |
| oiaohm | You have the idea that a dynamic tick is bad. | Mar 08 21:00 |
| oiaohm | Most of the time is good. | Mar 08 21:00 |
| oiaohm | First generations dynamic tick patch were not smart enough DaemonFC | Mar 08 21:01 |
| oiaohm | Current ones if your program uses something like a high res timer it really stops being dynamic. | Mar 08 21:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[hisdudeness/@hisdudeness] Will Anonymous Bradley #Manning rächen?: Das Internet-Kollektiv #Anonymous bewies in den letzten Monaten.. http://bit.ly/ew8Wk4 !wl !anonops | Mar 08 21:06 | |
| oiaohm | http://lwn.net/Articles/223185/ Alteration in 2007 made the difference. DaemonFC | Mar 08 21:06 |
| oiaohm | Clockevents anything that needs a clock event by interp at a particular time simply asks for it. | Mar 08 21:07 |
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| oiaohm | So you don't need a interp ticking away over and over again. Waking the system up just to go back to sleep. | Mar 08 21:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | [08:50:00] -TRIdentica/#techrights- [lamm/@lamm] #TomCruise, farmer? In #Colorado, some famous faces, names get ag-land #tax breaks http://ur1.ca/3fftd #wtf #wrong | Mar 08 21:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | what and no one bitches about how hes a mass murderer? | Mar 08 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | I'm in love with Katey!!!! | Mar 08 21:11 |
| *DaemonFC jumps up and down on the couch | Mar 08 21:11 | |
| DaemonFC | GRAWWWWWW!!!! | Mar 08 21:12 |
| DaemonFC | Xenu will return!!! | Mar 08 21:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: Kibaki ‘set Raila up’ in Migingo dispute | Daily Nation http://is.gd/jIgR4I http://bit.ly/iczYXS | Mar 08 21:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks/@wikileaks] wikileaks: WikiLeaks: The Duke & the Despot | Mail http://is.gd/jTPHs7 http://bit.ly/hQcNDk | Mar 08 21:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | build failed | Mar 08 21:17 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm guessing it was the apparmor patches | Mar 08 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | they touched the file that it failed on | Mar 08 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | screw it | Mar 08 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | next go I just disable apparmor | Mar 08 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | grab the SELinux Targeted policy | Mar 08 21:18 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[phoronix/@phoronix] Who's Behind NVIDIA's 3D Vision Linux Work?: One of the features that's supported by NVIDIA's binary Linux drive... http://bit.ly/fGYxoL | Mar 08 21:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @x11r5 @maverick Today is a republican state. I have a day | Mar 08 21:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] good point on #Mintcast #Banshee deal made public by well meaning dev before it was finalised, contributed to it blowing up on #Canonical | Mar 08 21:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] off to #nblug for an evening of computer security | Mar 08 21:40 | |
| DaemonFC | I decided to just leave AppArmor out of my kernel | Mar 08 21:40 |
| DaemonFC | I will use SELinux Targeted instead | Mar 08 21:40 |
| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: Hi again | Mar 08 21:48 |
| GoForbes28 | How would you rate the stability of Fedora? | Mar 08 21:49 |
| oiaohm | Better than ubuntu worse than scientific linux and centos. | Mar 08 21:50 |
| GoForbes28 | CentOS makes sense | Mar 08 21:50 |
| GoForbes28 | I never really got the point of Scientific Linux | Mar 08 21:51 |
| GoForbes28 | Fedora has XFCE 4.8 - cool :) | Mar 08 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | Scientific Linux is better than CentOS | Mar 08 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | they have a nice contrib repo and they release a lot faster | Mar 08 21:53 |
| oiaohm | Scientific Linux has cern and other big Scientific enities behind it so is way better funded then centos. GoForbes28 | Mar 08 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | you shouldn't use Enterprise Linux at all if you're not comfortable with a compiler, because some things just aren't there at all | Mar 08 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | and you shouldn't use it unless you know how to manage incompatible yum repos | Mar 08 21:54 |
| GoForbes28 | RHEL? Overkill in one sense for my laptop | Mar 08 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | because those community repos all have different versions of different RPMs | Mar 08 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | Scientific and CentOS are RHEL with different artwork | Mar 08 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | for the most part | Mar 08 21:54 |
| GoForbes28 | Or do you mean Enterprise Linux in a general sense? | Mar 08 21:54 |
| oiaohm | RHEL and Scientific are almost blood bothers. | Mar 08 21:54 |
| GoForbes28 | Well, so is Oracle Linux | Mar 08 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, generic term is Enterprise Linux | Mar 08 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | or EL | Mar 08 21:55 |
| GoForbes28 | Is Fedora Enterprise?\ | Mar 08 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | no | Mar 08 21:55 |
| oiaohm | Since redhat uses Scientific parts in places. | Mar 08 21:55 |
| oiaohm | Fedora is testing. | Mar 08 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora is a testbed for stuff that eventually becomes Enterprise Linux | Mar 08 21:55 |
| oiaohm | Fedora is ment to be at a level that should send people running screaming away from | Mar 08 21:55 |
| oiaohm | due to instablity. | Mar 08 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora is not unstable, usually | Mar 08 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | don't flip on the test updates and you'll be fine, probably :) | Mar 08 21:56 |
| oiaohm | yet Ubuntu what is ment to be a production release is more unstable than Fedora | Mar 08 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | bugs in Fedora come as quickly as they go | Mar 08 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | but it's the price you pay for being On THe Edge(R) | Mar 08 21:56 |
| oiaohm | This is what you call a failure to product a production release if you cannot beat Fedora. | Mar 08 21:56 |
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| GoForbes28 | I would think Arch is more on the edge | Mar 08 21:56 |
| oiaohm | Arch is more stable than ubuntu | Mar 08 21:57 |
| GoForbes28 | Or aptosid, or Gentoo | Mar 08 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm: I traced the build failure back to Ubuntu's GCC 4.5 | Mar 08 21:57 |
| oiaohm | Basically almost every other distribution is more stable. | Mar 08 21:57 |
| GoForbes28 | Fedora seems more "mainstream" than those :) | Mar 08 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | apparently if I set export gcc=gcc4.4, and just use that, it builds | Mar 08 21:57 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: the issue is Ubuntu maintainers are adding too many patched with out independant vetting. | Mar 08 21:58 |
| oiaohm | Under the ruses of userfriendlyness. | Mar 08 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | wonder if GCC 4.6 would build my kernel | Mar 08 21:58 |
| oiaohm | The most user unfriendly thing you can do is crash. | Mar 08 21:58 |
| GoForbes28 | aka, Mac masturbation | Mar 08 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | I've never had a crash with Enterprise Linux | Mar 08 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | ever | Mar 08 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | not even an application crash | Mar 08 21:59 |
| oiaohm | I have had php crash once. | Mar 08 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | they make sure everything in it is rock solid | Mar 08 21:59 |
| oiaohm | But I was doing something really nasty to it. | Mar 08 21:59 |
| GoForbes28 | nice | Mar 08 21:59 |
| oiaohm | On a enterprie Linux | Mar 08 21:59 |
| GoForbes28 | I would get a Canadian distro, to show my patriotism | Mar 08 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | SLED is a whole different story | Mar 08 21:59 |
| oiaohm | SLED is still fairly solid. | Mar 08 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | I've never had good luck with anything that says SuSE | Mar 08 22:00 |
| GoForbes28 | if so, my choices are aLinux, Arch, ArchBang, GhostBSD, LFS, OpenBSD, Userful Desktop, and Vector | Mar 08 22:00 |
| oiaohm | Ok not a redhat or Scentific | Mar 08 22:00 |
| oiaohm | SLED and Centos are about the same level of stablity. | Mar 08 22:00 |
| GoForbes28 | Would Scientifc work well for general use? | Mar 08 22:00 |
| oiaohm | Enterprise are not known for having the latest and greats applications. If you prepared to put up with 12 months to 2 years old applications yes Scientific is more than fine. | Mar 08 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | don't use fasttrack/fastbugs | Mar 08 22:02 |
| GoForbes28 | Well, if I went with Debian, I'd be facing the same thing | Mar 08 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | it will break your system in subtle ways | Mar 08 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | not really | Mar 08 22:02 |
| oiaohm | Ok yes I forgot that one don't endable Scientific testing mode. | Mar 08 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | you can use Debian Testing, or Stable with apt-pinning | Mar 08 22:03 |
| GoForbes28 | Debian's stable is always behind | Mar 08 22:03 |
| GoForbes28 | apt-pinning? | Mar 08 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | if you're careful, you can maintain a mostly stable system with new packages that you need | Mar 08 22:03 |
| GoForbes28 | backports? | Mar 08 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | no | Mar 08 22:03 |
| oiaohm | Debian Testing is quite solid. GoForbes28 | Mar 08 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | Apt Pinning lets you prioritize repos | Mar 08 22:03 |
| oiaohm | Debian I really thinks over tests stuff. | Mar 08 22:03 |
| GoForbes28 | interesting | Mar 08 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | like, if I want pidgin from testing, assuming I had pinning set up, I could apt-get -t testing update pidgin | Mar 08 22:04 |
| oiaohm | Stuff comes into unstable first. | Mar 08 22:04 |
| GoForbes28 | Yeah | Mar 08 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | and it would go look in Testing and grab everything Pidgin needs | Mar 08 22:04 |
| Ender2070 | [21:58] <GoForbes28> I would get a Canadian distro, to show my patriotism | Mar 08 22:04 |
| Ender2070 | Arch | Mar 08 22:04 |
| GoForbes28 | Sid->Testing->Stable | Mar 08 22:04 |
| GoForbes28 | Yeah, I tried Arch | Mar 08 22:04 |
| oiaohm | So lot of the really bad stuff gets weed out in Sid GoForbes28 | Mar 08 22:04 |
| GoForbes28 | too much to one side for me | Mar 08 22:04 |
| Ender2070 | OpenBSD | Mar 08 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | Testing is the best place to be if you just don't want a hassle but need a newish system | Mar 08 22:04 |
| GoForbes28 | yep, already listed that | Mar 08 22:04 |
| oiaohm | And I have run sid as well. GoForbes28 | Mar 08 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | despite the name it's pretty stable | Mar 08 22:05 |
| oiaohm | Supprisingly its not that bad. | Mar 08 22:05 |
| Ender2070 | I recommend Fedora | Mar 08 22:05 |
| GoForbes28 | I guess they prepare you for the worst | Mar 08 22:05 |
| GoForbes28 | I tried aptosid, it's a neat distro with an XFCE emphasis, but too annoying to work with | Mar 08 22:05 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: the catch is debian does not try to change what the upstream is doing. | Mar 08 22:05 |
| oiaohm | If the upstream is crap. | Mar 08 22:06 |
| oiaohm | Really you should stop using that program and find another. | Mar 08 22:06 |
| GoForbes28 | using what program? | Mar 08 22:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] The more I read about #DuckDuckGo, the more I dig it. https://duckduckgo.com/privacy.html | Mar 08 22:06 | |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu on the other hand tries to alter interface and so on | Mar 08 22:06 |
| oiaohm | Because they don't like how the upstream looks. | Mar 08 22:06 |
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| GoForbes28 | What program were you referring to? | Mar 08 22:07 |
| GoForbes28 | I agree about Ubuntu | Mar 08 22:07 |
| GoForbes28 | It is a shame that it has become #1 | Mar 08 22:07 |
| GoForbes28 | in some sense | Mar 08 22:07 |
| Ender2070 | #1 isnt always the best | Mar 08 22:07 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Its just Mandrake all over again. | Mar 08 22:07 |
| oiaohm | And redhat before them. | Mar 08 22:07 |
| Ender2070 | in fact, #1 can be pretty bad | Mar 08 22:07 |
| GoForbes28 | yep | Mar 08 22:08 |
| oiaohm | You have to remember lot of companies have held that number 1 spot | Mar 08 22:08 |
| GoForbes28 | Why Honda is in many ways better than Toyota now | Mar 08 22:08 |
| GoForbes28 | I know | Mar 08 22:08 |
| Ender2070 | i dont like to follow the masses | Mar 08 22:09 |
| GoForbes28 | Hopefully, ubuntu's recent irratic behaviour will open the door for other distros to shine in the spotlight | Mar 08 22:09 |
| GoForbes28 | me neither | Mar 08 22:09 |
| GoForbes28 | the masses just brainlessly run whatever is on their computer | Mar 08 22:09 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Mar 08 22:09 |
| GoForbes28 | Windows Vista 7 and Office 2007/2010 | Mar 08 22:09 |
| GoForbes28 | or even Microsoft Works 9 FFs | Mar 08 22:09 |
| Ender2070 | there are exceptions too | Mar 08 22:10 |
| GoForbes28 | I've seen a few actually runing Ubuntu | Mar 08 22:10 |
| Ender2070 | generally though, my own rule is if the masses support it, theres something wrong | Mar 08 22:10 |
| GoForbes28 | unless it's world peace or something | Mar 08 22:10 |
| GoForbes28 | unless that plan for world peace is misleading | Mar 08 22:11 |
| Ender2070 | there would be something wrong with that too | Mar 08 22:11 |
| GoForbes28 | yeah, you're right :) | Mar 08 22:11 |
| Ender2070 | there will always be critics | Mar 08 22:11 |
| GoForbes28 | Until the masses becomes completely rational...\ | Mar 08 22:11 |
| Ender2070 | so if you have world peace, its because you removed them ;) | Mar 08 22:11 |
| GoForbes28 | anywho | Mar 08 22:11 |
| GoForbes28 | if blag gets back on track, I'd consider it | Mar 08 22:11 |
| Ender2070 | lol blag | Mar 08 22:11 |
| Ender2070 | fedora 7 w/ linux libre right? | Mar 08 22:12 |
| GoForbes28 | Using APT instead of what Fedora uses | Mar 08 22:12 |
| oiaohm | Historically everyone who has held number 1 on distrowatch has fall due to having too many patches to maintain. | Mar 08 22:12 |
| GoForbes28 | now Fedora 14 | Mar 08 22:12 |
| Ender2070 | good stuff but i dont care for linux libre | Mar 08 22:12 |
| GoForbes28 | They've finally updated | Mar 08 22:12 |
| oiaohm | This has even included debian. | Mar 08 22:12 |
| Ender2070 | I run Fedora 14 and Jolibook on my netbook | Mar 08 22:12 |
| GoForbes28 | I was looking at Trisquel, but they use too much GNOME for my taste, do no update frequently enough | Mar 08 22:13 |
| Ender2070 | jolicloud I mean | Mar 08 22:13 |
| GoForbes28 | It's high quality for sure | Mar 08 22:13 |
| GoForbes28 | Fedora eh? | Mar 08 22:13 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Mar 08 22:13 |
| Ender2070 | they do KDE very well | Mar 08 22:13 |
| GoForbes28 | That seems to be the general choice here :) | Mar 08 22:13 |
| Ender2070 | well they do GNOME, KDE, LXDE, XFCE all very well | Mar 08 22:13 |
| GoForbes28 | KDE too bloated for me, and GNOME is too bloated and stupid proof for me | Mar 08 22:13 |
| GoForbes28 | XFCE has really been my only stable choice when it comes to GNU/Linux choices | Mar 08 22:14 |
| Ender2070 | my quad core and 8gb ram laughs at gnome and kde | Mar 08 22:14 |
| GoForbes28 | I think my Corei3 is quad | Mar 08 22:14 |
| Ender2070 | i3, might be | Mar 08 22:14 |
| GoForbes28 | the setup is a little weird and vague | Mar 08 22:14 |
| Ender2070 | no hyper threading | Mar 08 22:14 |
| GoForbes28 | It lists 4 cores, so I think so | Mar 08 22:14 |
| GoForbes28 | Should I care? | Mar 08 22:15 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | Mar 08 22:15 |
| Ender2070 | the i7 would show 8 logical processors | Mar 08 22:15 |
| GoForbes28 | yeah, over kill for me | Mar 08 22:15 |
| Ender2070 | when you compile software it really shows | Mar 08 22:15 |
| GoForbes28 | coming from an Athlon 2100+ with a Radeon 9000 Pro | Mar 08 22:15 |
| GoForbes28 | For nearly 10 years | Mar 08 22:15 |
| Ender2070 | i've had this quad core for a number of years now | Mar 08 22:16 |
| Ender2070 | intel q6600 | Mar 08 22:16 |
| GoForbes28 | and 512-1gb of ram | Mar 08 22:16 |
| Ender2070 | 2.4ghz OC to 3.0Ghz | Mar 08 22:16 |
| oiaohm | Really GoForbes28 its going to be interesting to see how heavy KDE 4.x remains when at long last we get a C++ complier than can work in the next version of gcc | Mar 08 22:16 |
| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: I ran Windows XP x64 for shits and giggles, and that's what I received | Mar 08 22:16 |
| GoForbes28 | in a virtual machine, of course | Mar 08 22:16 |
| Ender2070 | oiaohm - what? | Mar 08 22:16 |
| Ender2070 | g++ has been there for years | Mar 08 22:17 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: even so, KDE always seemed too gimmick ridden | Mar 08 22:17 |
| GoForbes28 | XFCE just works for me, and is much lighter than any other mainstream desktop environment | Mar 08 22:17 |
| Ender2070 | KDE is my own preference | Mar 08 22:17 |
| GoForbes28 | I would take KDE over GNOME though | Mar 08 22:18 |
| Ender2070 | I used to use Gnome and XFCE | Mar 08 22:18 |
| Ender2070 | till KDE 4.2 | Mar 08 22:18 |
| GoForbes28 | XFCE I think is the future replacement for GNOME | Mar 08 22:18 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: really yes g++ is a C++ complier but it has not been able to optimise c++ code. | Mar 08 22:18 |
| GoForbes28 | Considering GNOME's developers are becoming as irratic as Ubuntu, plus of course the looming Mono stench | Mar 08 22:19 |
| Ender2070 | oiaohm - i call shenangians | Mar 08 22:19 |
| GoForbes28 | XFCE and Mono do not mix and never will | Mar 08 22:19 |
| Ender2070 | its been doing c++0x stuff before the standard came out | Mar 08 22:19 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: Remember I said optimsie not do but generate crappy code. | Mar 08 22:20 |
| Ender2070 | sources | Mar 08 22:20 |
| GoForbes28 | Ender2070: What is your opinion of LXDE? | Mar 08 22:20 |
| Ender2070 | goforbes28 never used it | Mar 08 22:20 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: C++ inline functions and virtual tables are now privatized more aggressively, leading to better inter-procedural optimization and faster dynamic linking. << That change in 4.6 | Mar 08 22:20 |
| oiaohm | gcc 4.6 | Mar 08 22:20 |
| GoForbes28 | AFAI can tell, it's nothing more than an XFCE derivative with openbox | Mar 08 22:20 |
| Ender2070 | I haven't bothered to get off of KDE, other than my netbook | Mar 08 22:20 |
| GoForbes28 | meaning if you run openbox with XFCE, you get comparable performance | Mar 08 22:21 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: MSVC and Borland compliers were doing that in 1996 | Mar 08 22:21 |
| Ender2070 | im not sure what jolicloud actually uses | Mar 08 22:21 |
| GoForbes28 | jolicloud is what again? | Mar 08 22:21 |
| GoForbes28 | oh | Mar 08 22:21 |
| Ender2070 | a light netbook os | Mar 08 22:21 |
| Ender2070 | built out of chromium | Mar 08 22:21 |
| GoForbes28 | for some reason, I was thinking a Free DropBox clone | Mar 08 22:21 |
| GoForbes28 | chromium with the privacy problems removed? ;) | Mar 08 22:22 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: Static constructors and destructors from individual units are inlined into a single function. This can significantly improve startup times of large C++ applications where static constructors are very common. For example, static constructors are used when including the iostream header. << Also something other C++ compliers have been doing forever. | Mar 08 22:22 |
| Ender2070 | i'd love to have jolicloud on top of Fedora | Mar 08 22:22 |
| Ender2070 | instead of its own ubuntu fork | Mar 08 22:22 |
| Ender2070 | goforbes28 - lol less issues than fireexploit | Mar 08 22:22 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: If it works well we should see some real size sheding of lot of C++ programs. | Mar 08 22:23 |
| Ender2070 | KDE was already faster than Gnome too | Mar 08 22:23 |
| GoForbes28 | Firefox hasn't had any privacy problems to my knowledge, except for the Google search bar | Mar 08 22:23 |
| Ender2070 | damn | Mar 08 22:23 |
| Ender2070 | goforbes28 -im not paranoid of google | Mar 08 22:23 |
| GoForbes28 | I'm adequately skeptical | Mar 08 22:24 |
| Ender2070 | the people you have to worry about can already decode encryption | Mar 08 22:24 |
| GoForbes28 | I appreciate what they do for Free software, but I'm not turning a blind, non-criticizing eye towards them | Mar 08 22:24 |
| Ender2070 | even the low level FBI uses PS3 beowulf clusters to crack TrueCrypt volumes | Mar 08 22:25 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: KDE faster than Gnome and the complier is tying one hand behind KDE back. | Mar 08 22:25 |
| Ender2070 | goforbes28 - im not either | Mar 08 22:25 |
| Ender2070 | goforbes28 - just look at how the browser is designed though. the code is open for people to look for google spyware. the design itself is superior because each tab gets its own process. this also benefits from multi core processors | Mar 08 22:26 |
| Ender2070 | each thread can be allocated to a seperate core | Mar 08 22:26 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: at the rate sony going FBI will not be able to get replacement parts. | Mar 08 22:26 |
| GoForbes28 | I wouldn't say the design is superior | Mar 08 22:26 |
| Ender2070 | i would | Mar 08 22:26 |
| Ender2070 | everything in firefox runs in a single process | Mar 08 22:26 |
| GoForbes28 | It takes up more mery | Mar 08 22:26 |
| Ender2070 | thats terrible, and i've had friends get hacked | Mar 08 22:26 |
| GoForbes28 | memory | Mar 08 22:26 |
| Ender2070 | im not worried about memory | Mar 08 22:26 |
| Ender2070 | im still using less ram than win7, vista | Mar 08 22:27 |
| Ender2070 | and my 8gb is laughing | Mar 08 22:27 |
| GoForbes28 | True enough | Mar 08 22:27 |
| Ender2070 | i'd rather take the speed | Mar 08 22:27 |
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| Ender2070 | firefox is so slow | Mar 08 22:27 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: https://wiki.mozilla.org/Electrolysis you are almost out of date with that multi process comment. | Mar 08 22:27 |
| GoForbes28 | Still, I think running plugins in a seperate process will improve stability sufficiently without the need to run every tab as a seperate process | Mar 08 22:28 |
| Ender2070 | firefox4 | Mar 08 22:28 |
| Ender2070 | not out yet | Mar 08 22:28 |
| oiaohm | Read closer. Ender2070 | Mar 08 22:28 |
| GoForbes28 | Firefox 4 works fine in beta | Mar 08 22:28 |
| GoForbes28 | seems to be much faster and improved in many areas | Mar 08 22:28 |
| Ender2070 | Out-of-process tabs [sic] for Fennec is utilized in the Mobile Firefox 4.0 betas, and will ship with the final version in March 2011. | Mar 08 22:28 |
| oiaohm | Out-of-process plugins (OOPP) has shipped in Firefox 3.6.4 << even the old 3 was no longer 1 process for everything. | Mar 08 22:28 |
| Ender2070 | PLUGINS | Mar 08 22:28 |
| oiaohm | As I said almost out of date. | Mar 08 22:29 |
| Ender2070 | yeah well chrome had this 2 years ago | Mar 08 22:29 |
| Ender2070 | plus i boycott mozilla for other reasons | Mar 08 22:29 |
| GoForbes28 | Chrome also has a ridiculous interface in my humble opinion | Mar 08 22:29 |
| Ender2070 | trademark policy and the suggestion to use bing | Mar 08 22:29 |
| oiaohm | But its not 1 process for everything. Ender2070 | Mar 08 22:29 |
| GoForbes28 | It's almost like the GNOME of web browsers | Mar 08 22:29 |
| oiaohm | 1 process for everything bar the plugins. | Mar 08 22:30 |
| oiaohm | And the reason why plugins are first | Mar 08 22:30 |
| oiaohm | Is flash. | Mar 08 22:30 |
| Ender2070 | i want each tab in its own process | Mar 08 22:30 |
| Ender2070 | my cores | Mar 08 22:30 |
| oiaohm | You still want flash in independant processes to tabs of course. | Mar 08 22:30 |
| Ender2070 | i dont really want flash at all | Mar 08 22:31 |
| oiaohm | If you have to use it. | Mar 08 22:31 |
| Ender2070 | bah that will change | Mar 08 22:31 |
| Ender2070 | i can already use youtube with webm in chromium on fedora | Mar 08 22:31 |
| Ender2070 | since 13 | Mar 08 22:31 |
| Ender2070 | long before firefox supported webm | Mar 08 22:32 |
| Ender2070 | all of these little things add up in my mind | Mar 08 22:32 |
| Ender2070 | firefox is fine for other people | Mar 08 22:32 |
| oiaohm | Hmm does chrome have independant processes for extentions? | Mar 08 22:32 |
| Ender2070 | a lot of firefox users have specific addons they can't live without | Mar 08 22:32 |
| oiaohm | The firefox after 4.x gets independant processes for extentions. | Mar 08 22:33 |
| Ender2070 | alright | Mar 08 22:33 |
| Ender2070 | but im not ok with how slow firefox takes to add new things | Mar 08 22:33 |
| Ender2070 | chrome is already at version 10 | Mar 08 22:33 |
| oiaohm | Fine but to add them was a complete rewrite of core. | Mar 08 22:33 |
| Ender2070 | a shitty core | Mar 08 22:33 |
| Ender2070 | a legacy of crap code from Netscape | Mar 08 22:34 |
| oiaohm | chrome had the good luck of being able to start with a blank slate. | Mar 08 22:34 |
| Ender2070 | yes | Mar 08 22:34 |
| Ender2070 | exactly | Mar 08 22:34 |
| oiaohm | But major changes to chrome in future could be headaches as well. | Mar 08 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox is a mixed bag | Mar 08 22:34 |
| Ender2070 | firefox was better when it was phoenix and wasnt bloated like it is now | Mar 08 22:34 |
| DaemonFC | XUL is bloated but it lets extensions do a lot more than they can in Chrome | Mar 08 22:34 |
| Ender2070 | chrome managed to add more without slowing down the browser | Mar 08 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | from what I understand, chrome extensions can only be built with a subset of Javascript | Mar 08 22:35 |
| oiaohm | Ender2070: chrome is multi threading. | Mar 08 22:35 |
| oiaohm | Firefox was not. | Mar 08 22:35 |
| Ender2070 | look at pwn2own too | Mar 08 22:35 |
| oiaohm | And yes luck of multi threads hurts. | Mar 08 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | and Webkit2 is going to be multithreaded in a way that Chrome isn't | Mar 08 22:35 |
| DaemonFC | so wonderful, we have more forks and less just getting along | Mar 08 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 22:36 |
| Ender2070 | forks are healthy | Mar 08 22:36 |
| Ender2070 | imo | Mar 08 22:36 |
| DaemonFC | is that why Apple couldn't work on Webkit in the open? | Mar 08 22:36 |
| oiaohm | Firefox is trying to catch up. | Mar 08 22:36 |
| GoForbes28 | Will I cause a ruckus if I mention Opera? | Mar 08 22:36 |
| Ender2070 | nah | Mar 08 22:37 |
| Ender2070 | other than it being proprietary | Mar 08 22:37 |
| oiaohm | Basically chrome caught firefox hopping. | Mar 08 22:37 |
| GoForbes28 | Too bad too, because they fight so hard for open standards | Mar 08 22:37 |
| Ender2070 | if it was open source, i'd consider opera a lot more | Mar 08 22:37 |
| GoForbes28 | and they actually innovate | Mar 08 22:37 |
| Ender2070 | opera does kick ass though | Mar 08 22:37 |
| Ender2070 | very low footprint | Mar 08 22:37 |
| oiaohm | opera is not hostile. | Mar 08 22:37 |
| GoForbes28 | Because they are a small firm and therefore have not bitten the profit-over-everything-else bug | Mar 08 22:37 |
| oiaohm | IE is hostile to standards. | Mar 08 22:38 |
| Ender2070 | i dunno | Mar 08 22:38 |
| GoForbes28 | Opera is hostile to not meeting standards | Mar 08 22:38 |
| Ender2070 | opera wanted a browser ballot on linux | Mar 08 22:38 |
| GoForbes28 | Really? Link? | Mar 08 22:38 |
| oiaohm | they gained market share when it happened on windows. | Mar 08 22:38 |
| GoForbes28 | I can understand Windows, because it has an unremovable, bundled security risk of a browser | Mar 08 22:38 |
| GoForbes28 | Though that could be because of successful recent releases | Mar 08 22:39 |
| GoForbes28 | 10 and 11 | Mar 08 22:39 |
| Ender2070 | http://www.osnews.com/story/21897/Opera_Apple_Ubuntu_Should_Include_Browser_Ballot_Screen_Too | Mar 08 22:39 |
| GoForbes28 | ok, they are being overzealous | Mar 08 22:40 |
| GoForbes28 | Having in this on Windows was a reasonable course of action | Mar 08 22:41 |
| Ender2070 | good quote | Mar 08 22:41 |
| Ender2070 | "Open your code, Lie, and then we can talk about getting you into Debian, Fedora, et. al." | Mar 08 22:41 |
| GoForbes28 | "Lie"? | Mar 08 22:41 |
| Ender2070 | the dude from Opera | Mar 08 22:41 |
| Ender2070 | Håkon Wium Lie | Mar 08 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of Opera is open source | Mar 08 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | opera:about and you'll see | Mar 08 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | they give back some code, when the license says they have to or when it suits them | Mar 08 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | no sense maintaining a tree of patches if you can upstream them | Mar 08 22:47 |
| oiaohm | there is not a browser in the market who does not use open source somewhere. | Mar 08 22:50 |
| DaemonFC | even Idiot Exploiter? | Mar 08 22:50 |
| oiaohm | Even internet explorer it could not render png or jpeg without the open source libraries. | Mar 08 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | Which Linux should I put on a laptop with 1 GB RAM, a Radeon 200m, and a Sempron 3100+? | Mar 08 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | my brother's computer died so I'm going to give him my old laptop | Mar 08 22:52 |
| DaemonFC | buy a new one | Mar 08 22:52 |
| oiaohm | I would livecd it first. | Mar 08 22:52 |
| oiaohm | Some of those devices have bios hell. | Mar 08 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | Is there a minimal desktop that wouldn't make a normal person gouge out their eyes? | Mar 08 22:53 |
| oiaohm | lxde? | Mar 08 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Mar 08 22:53 |
| DaemonFC | I might just slap Xubuntu 11.04 on there | Mar 08 22:53 |
| oiaohm | http://lxde.org/image/tid/1 DaemonFC | Mar 08 22:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Now sitting at KDE conf, we will be having a good fun today.. #kdeindia !kdeindia | Mar 08 23:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Optimizing Memory Usage for Home Dash http://mzl.la/fyUw6l | Mar 08 23:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] HTML5 won't destroy the Intertubes... it already has http://ur1.ca/3fhz6 | Mar 08 23:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Supreme Court to Hear Challenge to Law That Removes Works from the Public Domain http://ur1.ca/3f5ea | Mar 08 23:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Pic of main hall, KDE Conf - 2011- #kdeindia #kdeconf http://www.flickr.com/photos/nsisodiya/5511349834/ | Mar 08 23:16 | |
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| DaemonFC | Information[ 13.028] (**) RADEON(0): Option "ColorTiling" "on" | Mar 08 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | Information[ 13.076] (II) RADEON(0): KMS Color Tiling: enabled | Mar 08 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | sweet | Mar 08 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 23:21 |
| Ender2070 | jolicloud | Mar 08 23:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] I think !confkdein is the tag for the conf. !kdeindia !kdeconf | Mar 08 23:31 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.gentoo.org/news/20110308-livedvd.xml | Mar 08 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | beats starting out with a tarball | Mar 08 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 08 23:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Main Hall is full, more then 250 are sitting here, big crowd, #confkdein #kdeindia #kdeconf | Mar 08 23:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @mrbrown: SMRT & SBS to add 590 additional MRT train trips: http://mrbrwn.co/ebQpsc #notanelectionsweetener #sgselection #fb | Mar 08 23:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @lovenemesis RT @mohanpram 7.2 earthquake in northern Japan, Tsunami warning has been issued. | Mar 08 23:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Printing a human kidney http://is.gd/5CyihJ #tedtalks < RepRap and Makerbot could help human regeneration | Mar 08 23:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] let's create human #thingiverse to collect human parts to print on your home desjet printer (or MakerBot) ;-) | Mar 08 23:43 | |
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| james9 | does anyone when groklaw.net will be available again? | Mar 08 23:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] 7.2 earthquake in northern Japan, Tsunami warning issued. http://ur1.ca/3fiks /via @lovenemesis | Mar 08 23:48 | |
| james9 | sorry, anyone knows when groklaw.net will be back again? | Mar 08 23:48 |
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