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| oiaohm | So Of course is broken. | May 04 00:00 |
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| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Xchat indicator? | May 04 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | May 04 00:01 |
| sebsebseb | what? | May 04 00:01 |
| sebsebseb | the envelope? | May 04 00:01 |
| sebsebseb | the envelope is for instant messsengers | May 04 00:01 |
| oiaohm | http://www.fox13now.com/news/local/kstu-novell-novell-lays-off-100s-at-provo-branch-20110502,0,7092623.story The Axe man has started. | May 04 00:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: NOVELL: Novell lays off 100s at Provo branch - KSTU .::. Size~: 179.55 KB | May 04 00:02 |
| oiaohm | If we are lucky this will extend all the way to major Mono projects. | May 04 00:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] The Tor project forks Firefox http://lwn.net/Articles/441240/rss | May 04 00:02 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Tor project forks Firefox [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 5.9 KB | May 04 00:02 |
| oiaohm | Since they are not profit making items. | May 04 00:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] THE TRUTH BEHIND JAPAN-U.S. TIES (1): http://alturl.com/gm4r9 | May 04 00:06 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: asahi.com¡ÊÄ«Æü¿·Ê¹¼Ò¡Ë¡§THE TRUTH BEHIND JAPAN-U.S. TIES (1): DPJ government never committed to Futenma alternatives - English .::. Size~: 37.53 KB | May 04 00:06 |
| schestowitz | Incitations from Mono | May 04 00:06 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/verofakto/statuses/65548555322015744 | May 04 00:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @verofakto: @CajunTechie #Mono has been dead for a looong time, acording to @schestowitz http://j.mp/atifbF Make sure you read the IRC convo there. | May 04 00:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: Mono Project Seems to be Dying (Development Virtually Halted) (Updated) | Techrights .::. Size~: 152.47 KB | May 04 00:06 |
| schestowitz | And I was right, it had slown down | May 04 00:06 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: It banshee and other items. | May 04 00:08 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: that have Novell lead we need to be watching. | May 04 00:08 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: the main items that have been used to get mono onto platforms. | May 04 00:08 |
| schestowitz | do you know names? | May 04 00:09 |
| oiaohm | I suspect we are going to see them stall massively as well. | May 04 00:09 |
| schestowitz | I haven't looked closely yet | May 04 00:09 |
| oiaohm | pinta and banshee would be the most important for pushing mono. | May 04 00:09 |
| oiaohm | Tomboy mostly has lost it wind. | May 04 00:09 |
| schestowitz | pinta is officially Novell's?! | May 04 00:09 |
| schestowitz | AFAIK still hobbyish | May 04 00:09 |
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| oiaohm | pinta lead developer was a full time Novell person. | May 04 00:10 |
| schestowitz | ys | May 04 00:10 |
| schestowitz | But... | May 04 00:10 |
| oiaohm | Might still be. | May 04 00:10 |
| schestowitz | is it his job? | May 04 00:10 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem. | May 04 00:10 |
| schestowitz | I think he insists it's a hobby | May 04 00:10 |
| oiaohm | In open source you neveer exactly can be 100 percent sure what is a spare time project. | May 04 00:10 |
| oiaohm | Developer can be claiming its a hobby and being paid for it. | May 04 00:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Japanese politics is likely to be rocked by the WikiLeaks-Asahi revelations. | May 04 00:11 | |
| oiaohm | Now if he gets layed off and he is still working on it then it was a hobby. | May 04 00:11 |
| oiaohm | If he gets layed off and stops hello paid operation. | May 04 00:11 |
| oiaohm | Reason why we kinda have to watch. | May 04 00:11 |
| oiaohm | Actions tell more facts than words. | May 04 00:11 |
| schestowitz | I hope jono pays attention | May 04 00:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] hey, what's up with Planet !KDE 's domain? :\ | May 04 00:12 | |
| schestowitz | I told him some months ago that banshee is risky for ubuntu from another angle, which is long-term development | May 04 00:12 |
| schestowitz | A.B. left Novell | May 04 00:13 |
| schestowitz | He was the lead dev | May 04 00:13 |
| schestowitz | And now there's the mono layoffs, which affect mono-based s/w | May 04 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Then there's the issue of patents and API (of Microsoft) in Ubuntu | May 04 00:13 |
| schestowitz | But people in Ubuntu don't like to talk about these... | May 04 00:13 |
| schestowitz | Oh, another thing: | May 04 00:14 |
| schestowitz | Banshee hurt Ubuntu's reputation, due to the GNOME donationgate | May 04 00:14 |
| oiaohm | https://github.com/mono/monodevelop/commits/master This is going to be another interesting watch. | May 04 00:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Commit History for mono's monodevelop - GitHub .::. Size~: 93.96 KB | May 04 00:16 |
| oiaohm | All 4 common developers of monodevelop are Novell staff. | May 04 00:16 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's interesting that the first thing they did was fire all the Mono people | May 04 00:17 |
| DaemonFC | I thought AttachMate was supposedly a Microsoft sockpuppet | May 04 00:18 |
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| roy_ | [00:17] <DaemonFC> I think it's interesting that the first thing they did was fire all the Mono people | May 04 00:28 |
| roy_ | All? | May 04 00:28 |
| *roy_ is now known as schestowitz | May 04 00:28 | |
| schestowitz | Sod it, connection issues again | May 04 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | according to Phoronix, all of them | May 04 00:28 |
| schestowitz | :roy_!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz PRIVMSG #techrights :[00:17] <DaemonFC> I think it's interesting that the first thing they did was fire all the Mono people | May 04 00:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: link? | May 04 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTQwMQ | May 04 00:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [Phoronix] Mono Developers Go Bye-Bye From Attachmate .::. Size~: 17.1 KB | May 04 00:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] @sebsebseb this "RD" thing you're promoting is so 1990's... Identi.ca clients have ways to redent things, and they use ♺ which looks better | May 04 00:31 | |
| schestowitz | :oiaohm!~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm PRIVMSG #techrights :Really I never suspected AttachMate as a sockpuppet. | May 04 00:33 |
| schestowitz | :oiaohm!~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm PRIVMSG #techrights :AttachMate is basically a liquidator. | May 04 00:33 |
| schestowitz | PING :verne.freenode.net | May 04 00:33 |
| schestowitz | :oiaohm!~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm PRIVMSG #techrights :MS main target was getting their hands on the Novell patents over filesystems. | May 04 00:33 |
| schestowitz | :oiaohm!~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm PRIVMSG #techrights :Since those patents effect NTFS and FAT | May 04 00:33 |
| schestowitz | :oiaohm!~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm PRIVMSG #techrights :Ie nuke class weapons against MS. | May 04 00:33 |
| schestowitz | :oiaohm!~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm PRIVMSG #techrights :Losing Mono MS would not even be able to consider with Novell looking like going under. | May 04 00:33 |
| schestowitz | PING :verne.freenode.net | May 04 00:33 |
| schestowitz | :oiaohm!~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm PRIVMSG #techrights :Also I see lots of Novell developers are going to get upset with AttachMate as well they historically run employment contracts on their coders like MS. | May 04 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | :oiaohm!~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm PRIVMSG #techrights :DaemonFC: Ie MS coder their is no such thing as a free time coding project. | May 04 00:33 |
| schestowitz | :TRIdentica!~twitfolk@216.105.40.114 NOTICE #techrights :[rysiek/@rysiek] i po epickiej maj?wce w ekipie ???tego Banana i 3 innych ?ajb. ?nieg w sztynorcie, berek na wodzie, szanty w autobusie. http://ur1.ca/42rfi | May 04 00:33 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Tor project forks Firefox http://ur1.ca/42rp7 | May 04 00:33 | |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: You had my last line. | May 04 00:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks Japan: U.S. used 'China card' to thwart Okinawa base alternatives http://alturl.com/arzw8 | May 04 00:36 | |
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| oiaohm | schestowitz: there was basically nothing you missed other than a stupid picture. http://file.status.net/i/identica/rysiek-20110503T232128-3tcbk8k.jpeg | May 04 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | oiaohm: I missed some | May 04 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Had to fetch it from TR server | May 04 00:36 |
| schestowitz | second time today | May 04 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | For crying out loud, bloody BT for the third time today! | May 04 00:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] @jankusanagi: I thought would be easier to explain with only RD since @obengdako is new, of course I may have mentioned other ways later on! | May 04 00:47 | |
| schestowitz | [00:39] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [schestowitz/@schestowitz] ? @rrix Tor project forks Firefox http://ur1.ca/42rp7 | May 04 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | [00:41] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] @jankusanagi: #Identica and #Twitter didn't exist in the 1990's! :D | May 04 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | [00:44] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [schestowitz/@schestowitz] Update: the *whole* #Mono team got flushed http://is.gd/Rb8Wj9 time for #Microsoft MVP Miguel to take jackpot/salary at Microsoft maybe? | May 04 00:48 |
| schestowitz | [00:44] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [schestowitz/@schestowitz] The #1 spreader of lies about yours truly and #techrights is now unpaid. Maybe they'll move on and stop attacking messengers. #swpats | May 04 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | [00:44] <TechrightsBot-tr> Title: Mono Development Canned (Updated: Everyone Laid Off) | Techrights .::. Size~: 80.8 KB | May 04 00:48 |
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| schestowitz | [00:46] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks Japan: Okinawa base figures falsified by over USbil http://alturl.com/tx6mr | May 04 00:48 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Attachmate lays off Mono employees, moves Suse development (back) to Europe (Internet News): http://bit.ly/jbfsZD | May 04 00:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] @jankusanagi: I did your name wrong in one of the dents in this convo's context, but oh well since yep there is context :D. | May 04 00:49 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Attachmate lays off Mono employees - InternetNews:The Blog - Sean Michael Kerner .::. Size~: 119.33 KB | May 04 00:49 |
| schestowitz | "Sorry about those developers. I hope they can find other employment. Please go to other FOSS projects. Everyone should realize that this was an attempt to compormise Linux so that MicroSlouch could sue and extort money or worse yet, kill Linux. Please stay away from Microsoft, Oracle, and Novell products. I myself will never touch any of these again, There simply isn't any need to. Hopefully there will be an alternative to Java soon. | May 04 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Anybody that has any ideas, post them, let's get this going!" | May 04 00:51 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: so you have already forgot about redhat ceylon | May 04 00:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] What a good week. Future king gets married, #Novell dies, #Mono Scientology-esque cult comes to an end. What next? #USPTO kills #swpats ? | May 04 00:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] What a good week. Future king gets married, Novell dies, Mono Scientology-esque cult comes to an end. What next? USPTO kills swpats ? | May 04 00:54 | |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: no, I wrote about it too | May 04 00:54 |
| schestowitz | But it can be divisive | May 04 00:54 |
| schestowitz | Yet another call for trouble from oracle or fragmentation | May 04 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Redhat cannot be touched. | May 04 00:55 |
| oiaohm | Redhat is legally free and clear todo it. All the other like google never did their legal side correctly. | May 04 00:55 |
| oiaohm | really java vs ceylon would be good for the java world. Like gcc and llvm vs each other. | May 04 00:56 |
| oiaohm | Since then the both compliers have improved a lot. | May 04 00:56 |
| oiaohm | Yes mono cultures are bad in the open source world as well. People get lazy. | May 04 00:56 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Red Hat to preview Java caching technology (Network World): http://bit.ly/lFS8GO | May 04 00:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] "According to reports, around 700 to 800 employees are being laid off." http://is.gd/nEjjBB #novell | May 04 00:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "According to reports, around 700 to 800 employees are being laid off." http://is.gd/nEjjBB !novell | May 04 00:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft boosters mourn the loss of Microsoft-esque projects http://is.gd/tu6Bug #mono #novell #swpats #Trojan | May 04 01:02 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: .NET Android and iOS clones stripped by Attachmate • The Register .::. Size~: 24.74 KB | May 04 01:02 |
| oiaohm | Now that has to ruin .Net developers day. | May 04 01:08 |
| oiaohm | Will leave room for QT of course. | May 04 01:08 |
| oiaohm | Wonder what Nokia thinking right now. | May 04 01:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Apple or #Mac zealots pretend that #gnu #linux and #ubuntu have had no dock until now http://is.gd/dNt3Gu Apple just "lifted" the dock | May 04 01:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Apple has #swpats on dock. Now, now...actually *patenting* something so obvious, *that's* innovative. | May 04 01:09 | |
| schestowitz | Heh | May 04 01:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ubuntu gets a dock a decade late | 9 to 5 Mac Ubuntu gets a dock a decade late | Apple Intelligence .::. Size~: 59.48 KB | May 04 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Elop ruined Qt for Microsoft | May 04 01:09 |
| schestowitz | For everyone else Nokia is worth forgetting | May 04 01:09 |
| schestowitz | Elop poured gasoline over himself, not the platforms | May 04 01:10 |
| schestowitz | !google elop pour gasoline | May 04 01:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Nokia CEO to employees: “We poured gasoline on our own burning ... | http://www.techautos.com/2011/02/08/nokia-ceo-to-employees-we-poured-gasoline-on-our-own-burning-platform/ | May 04 01:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Nokia: 'We poured gasoline on our own burning platform' | News ... | http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/nokia-we-poured-gasoline-on-our-own-burning-platform--927150 | May 04 01:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Bio: Stephen Elop - BusinessWeek | http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_27/b4138032168910.htm | May 04 01:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Nokia on 'burning platform' says boss Stephen Elop - News - Know ... | http://www.knowyourmobile.com/blog/764248/nokia_on_burning_platform_says_boss_stephen_elop.html | May 04 01:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Another attempted attack on WikiLeaks journalist by armed gunmen http://is.gd/x1tMnp | May 04 01:11 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Another attempted attack on opposition radio station journalist - Reporters Without Borders .::. Size~: 51.29 KB | May 04 01:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Can Ubuntu finally give Windows a run for its money? http://is.gd/74lTcG http://is.gd/VYgek9 http://is.gd/IZHorn http://is.gd/Yz33Cl | May 04 01:14 | |
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| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/72606282 | May 04 01:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Danny (tekk)'s status on Wednesday, 04-May-11 00:11:57 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz actually they state that it was borrowed from 'linux' in the article | May 04 01:14 |
| schestowitz | Linux has a dock? I thought it was more modular than that. /me checks kernel.org... | May 04 01:15 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/02/digia-is-working-full-steam-ahead-with-qt-commercial Really QT has not be harmed out of all Elop moves. | May 04 01:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Digia is working full steam ahead with Qt Commercial — The Qt Blog .::. Size~: 58.01 KB | May 04 01:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @wikileaks2 Another attempted attack on WikiLeaks journalist by armed gunmen http://is.gd/x1tMnp | May 04 01:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @tekk Linux has a dock? I thought it was more modular than that. /me checks kernel.org... | May 04 01:16 | |
| oiaohm | Digia and KDE historically have worked with each other very well. | May 04 01:16 |
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| oiaohm | nothing to show that will change today. | May 04 01:16 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: what's in it for Microsoft-dominated Nokia, long-term? | May 04 01:16 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: For Qt with or without Nokia will not harm it. | May 04 01:17 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/72606431 | May 04 01:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Danny (tekk)'s status on Wednesday, 04-May-11 00:14:59 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz which is incorrect itself, osx inherists it from NeXTSTEP | May 04 01:17 |
| oiaohm | Because digia is basically what trolltech was that run Qt quite well before nokia. schestowitz | May 04 01:17 |
| schestowitz | Steve Jobs brought it to Apple. "We've always been shameless about stealing great ideas." --Steve Jobs, pathetic charlatan | May 04 01:18 |
| oiaohm | Nokia still needs interface applications on OS X and the like. | May 04 01:18 |
| schestowitz | oh yeah | May 04 01:18 |
| schestowitz | digia | May 04 01:18 |
| schestowitz | I forgot, I was not around at the time | May 04 01:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Debian May Begin Rolling Release Branch http://is.gd/K5nvoI !debian rocks (solid) | May 04 01:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @tekk Steve Jobs brought it to Apple. "We've always been shameless about stealing great ideas." --Steve Jobs, pathetic charlatan | May 04 01:19 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Debian May Begin Rolling Release Branch .::. Size~: 35.3 KB | May 04 01:19 |
| oiaohm | In fact some of digia core staff were from trolltech that left when Nokia aquired trolltech. | May 04 01:19 |
| oiaohm | Basically Tolltech is back with a new nicer name. | May 04 01:20 |
| oiaohm | This the the problem with good open source. Its basically impossible for 1 company to kill it. schestowitz | May 04 01:21 |
| oiaohm | If a company tries another company steps up and takes over. | May 04 01:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] 7 Days. Then what? | May 04 01:22 | |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: The thing is I expect flying chairs at nokia and MS over what Attachmate has just done. | May 04 01:24 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: Since it takes away port to .net and get all platforms. | May 04 01:24 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: as a sales method. | May 04 01:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Huh, clientside filtering on kmail works with my work email account, but not my personal mail. #wtf | May 04 01:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 0 Reasons why I will not upgrade from #Firefox 3.6 to Firefox 4! http://is.gd/Ae0IXn I'm waiting for 5 or 6. #Mozilla | May 04 01:26 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | May 04 01:26 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm: we shall see | May 04 01:26 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if Microsoft will rescue or pick them up | May 04 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Imagine this | May 04 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft offers all 30 devs a job | May 04 01:26 |
| oiaohm | Would part solve the patent problem. | May 04 01:26 |
| schestowitz | And then declares FOSS love | May 04 01:26 |
| schestowitz | And... | May 04 01:26 |
| schestowitz | here comes to scary part | May 04 01:27 |
| schestowitz | It claims to be managing parts of distros | May 04 01:27 |
| schestowitz | And makes Miguel a GM at Microsoft | May 04 01:27 |
| oiaohm | Scaryly this might be on the cards. | May 04 01:27 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Look at this convo I guess :D http://identi.ca/conversation/70239815 anyway I think he may have gone to bed now, thinking it's not cool to be on Twitter LOL. | May 04 01:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 32.36 KB | May 04 01:28 |
| oiaohm | Like MS server management software these days includes some Linux support. | May 04 01:28 |
| schestowitz | they sometimes remove that | May 04 01:29 |
| schestowitz | e.g. at FAST | May 04 01:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] A new and improved #AwesomeBar for #Firefox by #Mozilla http://is.gd/k8CdZ2 one of the greater features of FF 3.x | May 04 01:29 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: A new and improved AwesomeBar for Firefox - Online Best Latest Price Reviews | Features in India .::. Size~: 122 KB | May 04 01:29 |
| oiaohm | schestowitz: I mean to set Linux server setting from windows. | May 04 01:29 |
| oiaohm | The bugger include automatted ssh | May 04 01:30 |
| oiaohm | for management. | May 04 01:30 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: like you avatar | May 04 01:30 |
| schestowitz | it fits the identca theme/palette too | May 04 01:30 |
| oiaohm | This is tech that 5 years ago I would have said no way in Hell MS would include. schestowitz | May 04 01:30 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/72606639 | May 04 01:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Danny (tekk)'s status on Wednesday, 04-May-11 00:18:46 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz read my dent, don't just hit reply. I attributed the quote to them, that was before my time | May 04 01:31 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: it fits the identica theme? | May 04 01:31 |
| schestowitz | I was sarcastic. | May 04 01:31 |
| oiaohm | Also management controls are also being provided for iphones and android. sebsebseb | May 04 01:31 |
| oiaohm | Opps schestowitz | May 04 01:31 |
| oiaohm | That was also impossible 5 years. | May 04 01:31 |
| schestowitz | v | May 04 01:31 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/72606984 | May 04 01:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Danny (tekk)'s status on Wednesday, 04-May-11 00:25:05 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz which has nothing to do with this, next had the dock before X was born, or shortly after when we all used other stuff | May 04 01:31 |
| schestowitz | Sure | May 04 01:31 |
| oiaohm | Basically there are signs MS is getting desperate. | May 04 01:31 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/72607109 | May 04 01:32 |
| oiaohm | and will basically try anything to hold onto market share. | May 04 01:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @George Hostler (ghostler)'s status on Wednesday, 04-May-11 00:27:47 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz You are correct. I received E-mail notice a new responder replied. Looked it up and it was gone. Community LARTed them ASAP. | May 04 01:32 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/72607113 | May 04 01:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Claudio (claudiom)'s status on Wednesday, 04-May-11 00:27:58 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Have you played around with Aurora at all? | May 04 01:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @tekk I was sarcastic. | May 04 01:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @tekk Sure | May 04 01:32 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: what about RT not really meant to be used on Identica? unless people are using Identica as a dumping ground for Tweets? | May 04 01:32 |
| schestowitz | Aurora might be worth a try. Right now I look for a dockable browser better than plasma-desktop's konq widget, which is inflexible | May 04 01:33 |
| Ender2070 | Like I said before - aren't you happy they are using it at all? | May 04 01:33 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/65574649299349504 | May 04 01:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Metztli_IT: ♺ @schestowitz #Apple's #swpats on dock…*patenting*…obvious, *that's* innovative☝ #IBM OS/2 had #app "Dock"/"Launchpad" http://ub0.cc/bb/QJ | May 04 01:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | May 04 01:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/explodingwalrus/status/65574673806659584 | May 04 01:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @explodingwalrus: @schestowitz ha first link was an article about novell! others were Ubuntu related though :) | May 04 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Oops | May 04 01:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jamesm/@jamesm] 1st commercial embedded Linux OS certified at EAL4+, Wind River Linux Secure, utilizes SELinux - http://is.gd/8IT088 | May 04 01:34 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Wind River Launches Certified EAL4+ Embedded Linux Platform - Business Wire - Wire - BradentonHerald.com .::. Size~: 82.33 KB | May 04 01:34 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: dented this person saying the bridge is ok to use :) | May 04 01:34 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: Identica to Twitter that's good | May 04 01:34 |
| sebsebseb | Twitter to Identica on the other hand, no that doesn't tend to be good at all | May 04 01:34 |
| sebsebseb | why? simple | May 04 01:34 |
| sebsebseb | taking the Mageia people for example, as a result of that, they don't tend to bother sending to the group the news from the @mageia user | May 04 01:35 |
| oiaohm | LOL | May 04 01:35 |
| Ender2070 | I'd like to do Twitter to Identica | May 04 01:35 |
| oiaohm | some people. | May 04 01:35 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: yes | May 04 01:35 |
| sebsebseb | and they send to Facebook as well at the same time. also apparnatly even using !mageia would make it show ok on Twitter? | May 04 01:35 |
| oiaohm | jamesm the 1 embedded Linux OS certified to EAL4+ was done by redhat. | May 04 01:35 |
| schestowitz | but it's like asking Microsoft to add ext3 support to Windows | May 04 01:35 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: yeah they haven't even bothered with an avatar for that group yet on Identica, I have seen people ask about that on Identica before | May 04 01:35 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: I think we need to get at least the avater sorted out before June 1st, when the Mageia 1 release is meant to be coming out | May 04 01:36 |
| sebsebseb | ,because I mean that may look strange, to quite a lot of people who are intersted in the distro, but that use Identica. Why does the group not have an avatar? I mean even the @mageia user does, but the group no | May 04 01:36 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: Really I would be having a laugh. | May 04 01:37 |
| Ender2070 | schestowitz - you can add a driver to get that support | May 04 01:37 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: Small sign saying something funny as a fill in for a Avatar icon. | May 04 01:37 |
| *sebsebseb burnt his hands, and arms a bit, a while ago now. I guess that hot water tap was more hot than I thought. Done this kind of thing before a few or more times, just seems a bit worse this time, that's all. It will sort itself out properly later I guess though :). | May 04 01:37 | |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: you mean having a laugh at how these founders, like Twitter, and don't really care about Identica? | May 04 01:38 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: from Microsoft? | May 04 01:38 |
| Ender2070 | no | May 04 01:38 |
| schestowitz | and not out of the box | May 04 01:38 |
| Ender2070 | it can be done | May 04 01:38 |
| schestowitz | I know | May 04 01:38 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: to the extent where they don't even bother uploading an avater for the group, after all this time | May 04 01:38 |
| schestowitz | reiserfs too | May 04 01:38 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: I was more like a for rent sign. | May 04 01:38 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: you can teach bears how to dance | May 04 01:38 |
| Ender2070 | the reiserfs implementation is a little dangerous though | May 04 01:38 |
| schestowitz | !google bears dancing | May 04 01:38 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Dancing Bears Filmed in Wild - Science News | Science & Technology ... | http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,346709,00.html | May 04 01:38 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: so that the end users in time will get to decide the avater. | May 04 01:39 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: also I shoudn't really need to have a reason to feel the need to redent @mageia to the group, because it should be denting there in the first place, which it has only about three times after all this time. | May 04 01:39 |
| Ender2070 | you might have to work out a plea bargain to get your files back | May 04 01:39 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: Its goign to be their distribution. | May 04 01:39 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: no look. http://identi.ca/groupmageia | May 04 01:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found | May 04 01:39 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: http://identi.ca/tag/mageia | May 04 01:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Notices tagged with mageia - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 48.44 KB | May 04 01:39 |
| sebsebseb | and | May 04 01:39 |
| schestowitz | Ender2070: rm -rf /home/nina | May 04 01:39 |
| sebsebseb | http://identi.ca/mageia | May 04 01:39 |
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| sebsebseb | oiaohm: now looking at those pages, what is wrong? well yes ok the avater thing, but what else? | May 04 01:39 |
| oiaohm | http://identi.ca/mageia << This one exists. sebsebseb | May 04 01:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mageia (mageia) - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 42.79 KB | May 04 01:40 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: fully iconed and all. | May 04 01:40 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: yep that's the mageia user | May 04 01:40 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: the @mageia account, that is also really meant to send to the group | May 04 01:40 |
| Ender2070 | I thought they discovered the remains in the Gnome Trash | May 04 01:40 |
| sebsebseb | ,but doesn't | May 04 01:40 |
| sebsebseb | except for like three times in the past 2010 | May 04 01:40 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: also another problem, many people subscribed to the mageia user, but not the group, but that's what happens, when stuff like this happens I guess | May 04 01:41 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: This sounds like you have internal problems. | May 04 01:41 |
| Ender2070 | so is mageia just going to be a rebranded open source mandriva? | May 04 01:41 |
| Ender2070 | like centos? | May 04 01:41 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: maybe they will listen to me properly when I am offically on the marketting team, or not, I haven't botherd to put myself down on the wiki yet. | May 04 01:41 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: Really ideal is mageia on identi.ca should be under marketting control. | May 04 01:41 |
| sebsebseb | Ender2070: first version will be very similar to Mandriva 2011, since it was forked from cooker, then they will go more in their own direction after that | May 04 01:42 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: because be truthful humans are dumb they will not find mageiagroup in most cases. | May 04 01:42 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: mageiaproject would stand a better chance of being found. | May 04 01:43 |
| sebsebseb | Why do people have to be lazy, send the message, specifically for Identica, if it means it goes to the group as well :) I don't care, I don't care, as long as it goes in the group, and I shoudn't need to feel the need to re dent it like I been doing for the gorup, as in you can see by looking at the group | May 04 01:43 |
| sebsebseb | I shoudn't have to do that at all, or feel the need to | May 04 01:43 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: have you guys done trademark yet? | May 04 01:43 |
| sebsebseb | and the group should be people having fun, to do with the distro, and all that as well :) | May 04 01:43 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: the Mageia board was set up at FOSDEM in Februrary | May 04 01:43 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: ie trademark you could if required take the identa by force. | May 04 01:44 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: well like I say the @mageia who is the admin fo the group on there, is run by the founders | May 04 01:44 |
| oiaohm | Ok so try to be friendly at first. | May 04 01:44 |
| sebsebseb | ,but really they just use Identica as a dumping ground for stuff from Twitter with that account | May 04 01:44 |
| sebsebseb | and I have complained about it to them on IRC before, and they basically laughed at it one of the founders | May 04 01:45 |
| sebsebseb | well ok not quite | May 04 01:45 |
| oiaohm | Really it should be the other way. | May 04 01:45 |
| sebsebseb | ,but told me that groups are pointless on identica yes | May 04 01:45 |
| sebsebseb | which is very much so far from the truth, but a lot of Twitter people don't understand that, since Twitter doesn't have groups | May 04 01:45 |
| oiaohm | Really ideal is to have your own identica source server somewhere. | May 04 01:45 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: if community is done right for this new distro, I think it could hit off quite well, give Ubuntu some nice proper competition in a year or two or so even :), but if not well, yeah it won't | May 04 01:46 |
| oiaohm | Lot of ways I have found cases for identica groups better handled by forums and mailing lists. | May 04 01:46 |
| sebsebseb | oh the distro itself will be great, but the community needs work to become really great as well :) | May 04 01:46 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: uh do you use Identica? | May 04 01:47 |
| schestowitz | odd new vid: http://tinyogg.com/watch/jr3Vz/ | May 04 01:47 |
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| oiaohm | Basically never. sebsebseb I do have an account. | May 04 01:47 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: well we got forums, and mailing lists as well, the offical whole community, and then there are sub forums and such as well | May 04 01:47 |
| sebsebseb | it seems with Mageia | May 04 01:47 |
| sebsebseb | they want loads of small sub communites as well, for counteries and what not | May 04 01:48 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: wine project you will find is traditional. | May 04 01:48 |
| sebsebseb | well not small, but you know what I mean I guess | May 04 01:48 |
| oiaohm | Really looking at wine forum source code might give you guys some nice ideas. | May 04 01:48 |
| oiaohm | Since wine forum joins directly to wine users mailing list. | May 04 01:48 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: maybe they should make me admin of mageia group, I have dented the most to it so far after all, altough that was mainly, because of the issue with the mageia user | May 04 01:48 |
| sebsebseb | that alone won't solve the dents issue | May 04 01:49 |
| sebsebseb | though | May 04 01:49 |
| oiaohm | Ie web and mailing users directly interface with each other with wine. | May 04 01:49 |
| sebsebseb | this isn't Ubuntu on identica or someting like that | May 04 01:49 |
| sebsebseb | where well yeah | May 04 01:49 |
| sebsebseb | a lot of dents go only to the tag, and a lot to both group and tag | May 04 01:49 |
| oiaohm | One of the big problems I have with identica twitter and so on is segmentation. sebsebseb | May 04 01:49 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: You end up with groups of users not talking to each other. | May 04 01:50 |
| sebsebseb | so whilst it's small, why not have it, so the news goes to the group, pretty much every time? and ideally done properly with the @mageia sending to it | May 04 01:50 |
| oiaohm | Wine for news is old school rss feed. | May 04 01:50 |
| sebsebseb | then if it ever becomes popular enough, well so what I guess, if not everything that should be really, is not going to the group as well | May 04 01:51 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: Most important thing avoid segmenting users unless is absolutely required. | May 04 01:51 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: groups of users don't talk to each other? | May 04 01:51 |
| oiaohm | Wine at one point had 8 different mailing lists | May 04 01:52 |
| oiaohm | That has been cut back to 3. | May 04 01:52 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: what I think is, one of these things shoudn't get to pouplar, like with PC LInux OS | May 04 01:52 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: for example they mainly use the forum for support and that, IRC hardly has any people in it | May 04 01:52 |
| sebsebseb | and then when newbies come for support in the IRC, depends who is there really does, if they get a reply or not, if they get help or not | May 04 01:52 |
| oiaohm | We joined the forum and mailing list | May 04 01:52 |
| oiaohm | in wine | May 04 01:52 |
| oiaohm | To prevent knowledge drifiting into 1 group. | May 04 01:53 |
| sebsebseb | I belive for a distro to be popular and work communitywise, it needs a good IRC, forum, and sure stuff like Identica and Twitter to an extent even | May 04 01:53 |
| oiaohm | Also to keep IRC alive we have regularly developer meetings in irc. | May 04 01:53 |
| oiaohm | The lead developer also maintains a fairly major presence on irc. | May 04 01:54 |
| sebsebseb | and oh sure Ubuntu IRC could be much better, and their forums even from what I been told, but really this works for Ubuntu, and so yep they keep the big userbase for now, since all the hype and that | May 04 01:54 |
| sebsebseb | for example | May 04 01:54 |
| oiaohm | Without out it IRC will fade. | May 04 01:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @hgfernan: Cresce a pressão para saída de Ana de Hollanda do Ministério da Cultura http://bit.ly/lRdpzN #arede #minc #creativecommons | May 04 01:54 | |
| oiaohm | Like we have winehq and winehackers. | May 04 01:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | May 04 01:54 |
| oiaohm | As major wine channels. | May 04 01:54 |
| schestowitz | man vs moose in sweden (the original) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZEbBZ2IrXE | May 04 01:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - man vs moose in sweden (the original) .::. Size~: 113.49 KB | May 04 01:54 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: I love the idea of a good new distro, hitting off properly, and yeah that may be Mageia, I can see Mageia as possibly being a rather popular distro in like two years or so | May 04 01:55 |
| oiaohm | advantage I am giving support something goes strange. I can go sideways to winehackers and ask the releated coder if he is on line. | May 04 01:55 |
| oiaohm | This way IRC works very well. | May 04 01:55 |
| cubezzz | IRC ftw | May 04 01:55 |
| oiaohm | Problem is IRC without access to developers will nto work. | May 04 01:55 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: for now Mageia founders are on IRC most/all of them, but will they disappear more later on hmm | May 04 01:55 |
| oiaohm | Basically developers will decide what support system can or cannot work. | May 04 01:55 |
| oiaohm | You don't need all developers there all the time. | May 04 01:56 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: what's kind of interesting though, is how the like second main founder, doesn't want to go into the channel that is the support and such channel at the moment really, but he's around in the developers channel and such | May 04 01:56 |
| oiaohm | You just need thier presence. | May 04 01:56 |
| oiaohm | Some developers in wine are banned from going into the support channel. | May 04 01:57 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh? | May 04 01:57 |
| oiaohm | Because they serouslly have too short of tempers. | May 04 01:57 |
| oiaohm | Some people cannot tollerate fools. | May 04 01:57 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh I got an idea for a techbytes guest of course, oiaohm | May 04 01:57 |
| oiaohm | The split between end users and developers is kinda required. sebsebseb | May 04 01:57 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, is this free support? If so, hard to blame the developers | May 04 01:57 |
| cubezzz | paid support is different of course | May 04 01:58 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: its personality. | May 04 01:58 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: awesome | May 04 01:58 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: even if its free vititam one of wine best keyboard mouse and game controller guys. | May 04 01:58 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: sure and then distro's get their community people, Ubuntu has jono, and I would like to become a more proper community person for this Mageia :) and hopefuly that distro will start gaining quite a big userbase as time goes on, ok, maybe not quite the Ubuntu numbers by a long way, but enough of one for us to be able to have events and so on :) | May 04 01:58 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: he has a rep from winehq of losing his cool and baning users from winehq. | May 04 01:59 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: Ie not suitable person to be giving support. | May 04 01:59 |
| sebsebseb | proper events, with quite a lot of people, and espesially for UK since yeah :) | May 04 01:59 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: but a very suitable person to have a more skilled person ask a question of. | May 04 01:59 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, yeah, no doubt | May 04 02:00 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: a distro can be really great, but I guess for many people, it would be seen as a failure really, unless it has a big enough user base and that | May 04 02:00 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: basically some people should be near new users and some people should not. | May 04 02:00 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: and I think for many people, they think the most popular distro's such as Ubuntu and Fedora, and to an extent OpenSuse? are the like Linux distro successes at the moment, becuase of being most popular, you know | May 04 02:00 |
| oiaohm | and if a person does not want to be near new users they should not be forced to be. | May 04 02:00 |
| oiaohm | Also me not a wine developer. For a while in wine I run a training program. | May 04 02:01 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/65578123139358720 | May 04 02:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Metztli_IT: ♺ @schestowitz #Apple's #swpats on dock…*patenting*…obvious,*that's* innovative☝ #IBM OS/2 had #app "Dock"/"Launchpad" http://trunc.it/fn9sw | May 04 02:01 |
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| oiaohm | Not to train coders. | May 04 02:01 |
| oiaohm | But to train general users to take up the common support issues. schestowitz | May 04 02:01 |
| oiaohm | oPps sebsebseb | May 04 02:01 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: got a microphone? get yoursrself on Techbytes :) | May 04 02:01 |
| oiaohm | Not at the moment. sebsebseb | May 04 02:01 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: no me either, but I will buy something soon, because of Techbytes | May 04 02:02 |
| oiaohm | reactos and wine both have had their issues. | May 04 02:02 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: unless this guy wants to send me a headset still or whatever maybe | May 04 02:02 |
| oiaohm | reactos had there forums go nuts. | May 04 02:02 |
| cubezzz | starting to like 1280x1024 mode now | May 04 02:02 |
| oiaohm | Into a huge flamewar mess. | May 04 02:02 |
| cubezzz | after being on 1024x768 for years and years | May 04 02:02 |
| oiaohm | To the point the developers would not go near it. | May 04 02:02 |
| *Judas_PhD has quit (Quit: This is a quitting message) | May 04 02:03 | |
| oiaohm | Adminisration of you support systems is key. sebsebseb | May 04 02:03 |
| Ender2070 | http://youtu.be/0LxHOcsaa7s | May 04 02:03 |
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| sebsebseb | oiaohm: Administration of support system??? | May 04 02:03 |
| Ender2070 | ROFLMAO http://youtu.be/-ObFdRhtx5w | May 04 02:03 |
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| oiaohm | sebsebseb: so this is not something you have though about yet? | May 04 02:04 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: what do you mean exactly? | May 04 02:04 |
| oiaohm | People to enforce good conduct. | May 04 02:04 |
| oiaohm | So no insult other people no banning people without valid grounds. In wine case no talking about copyright infringment. | May 04 02:05 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, that's good advise in general :) | May 04 02:05 |
| oiaohm | No tell users to do rm -rf / | May 04 02:05 |
| cubezzz | advice... | May 04 02:05 |
| oiaohm | It a common thing over looked when setting up. sebsebseb | May 04 02:05 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: I have talked about rules for Mageia IRC channels, with probably two founders or whatever before | May 04 02:05 |
| sebsebseb | and such | May 04 02:06 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: and basically they uhmm | May 04 02:06 |
| oiaohm | reactos and wine both made mistakes when it came to support channels. | May 04 02:06 |
| sebsebseb | well | May 04 02:06 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm, just couldn't find a damned db25f <-> db25f gender changer... | May 04 02:06 |
| cubezzz | spent an hour looking | May 04 02:06 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: it seems right now, they aren't really going to bother with a proper system, like an ops room and such | May 04 02:06 |
| sebsebseb | and olorin_ see this later or whatever ^ | May 04 02:06 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: the issue is what ever the ops do there must be rules. | May 04 02:06 |
| oiaohm | or form admins do. | May 04 02:07 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: indeed | May 04 02:07 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: it seems it's just follow the Freenode rules for now though | May 04 02:07 |
| oiaohm | wine has extra rules on top of freenode | May 04 02:07 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: yeah well so does Ubuntu, I know | May 04 02:07 |
| oiaohm | Like not talking about cracked software. | May 04 02:07 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: something I have thought about for quite a while in fact, what will happen when the trolls and spammers come? | May 04 02:08 |
| sebsebseb | how are we going to deal with that properly | May 04 02:08 |
| cubezzz | Olórin I was in the West that is forgotten :) | May 04 02:08 |
| oiaohm | freenode like rules also need to apply to your webbased forums and mailing lists. | May 04 02:08 |
| cubezzz | not sure about the exact quote | May 04 02:08 |
| oiaohm | If they don't you will have big trouble. sebsebseb | May 04 02:08 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: well they do have values, a kind of scout motto, but other then that, there isn't really anything | May 04 02:08 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: Huh? | May 04 02:08 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: talking about Mageia and things not being set up properly | May 04 02:08 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: Ah. | May 04 02:09 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: first it was the Identica stuff, now moved on to IRC, and how no proper rules yet and such | May 04 02:09 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: before release its ideal to have a basic set rules layed down. even if they are just copied from another project. | May 04 02:09 |
| cubezzz | oh, wait there is a user called that... oops :) | May 04 02:09 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: the rules can altered latter of course if they are wrong. | May 04 02:09 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: Other wise ops and admins who are doign the right actions will become targets. | May 04 02:09 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: well olorin_ is one of the ops of the main support channel | May 04 02:10 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: Ie its to protect people like olorin_ | May 04 02:10 |
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| sebsebseb | olorin_: well they may ahve forked Mandriva, but they didn't fork a lot of it's community rules and such with it :D | May 04 02:10 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: person complains about being banned by olorin_ and olorin_ can then just point at the rule book and say there was the rule your fault. | May 04 02:10 |
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| oiaohm | sebsebseb: without it olorin_ will get accused of bias. | May 04 02:11 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: and I do mean will. | May 04 02:11 |
| olorin_ | oiaohm: You have indeed a point. | May 04 02:11 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: this kind of thing I been wondering about for quite a while, I mean I got op in three Mageia channel (for even if this other channel that doesn't really get used counts) | May 04 02:11 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: Its just that I have been around long enough. I know humans well enough. | May 04 02:12 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: I talked to a founder or two about this before, but it was like they didn't care much. and I like mentioned how Ubuntu had a good system really, and then it's like, oh, but according to Ubuntu fr people it was to strict | May 04 02:12 |
| oiaohm | there are just thing you have to have setup before the commnuity turns up. | May 04 02:12 |
| olorin_ | I would probably give a reason in the kick/ban message... | May 04 02:12 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: It really has to be written up rules that the person could have read before you banned them. | May 04 02:12 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: as people who are going to be invovled in the community and a bit more properly than most, we need to get these issues sorted out really :) | May 04 02:12 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: otherwise you will get claims of bias against you. | May 04 02:13 |
| oiaohm | might ahve a few years without. | May 04 02:13 |
| oiaohm | But it will always come. | May 04 02:13 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: June 1st isn't that long to go now, and then welll soon after I guess it's say hello to the trolls and spammers at times, but uh right some trolls read the logs of this channel even here and there so hmm | May 04 02:13 |
| olorin_ | I agree completely. The Freenode rules is not enough. | May 04 02:13 |
| sebsebseb | that was for olorin_ ^ | May 04 02:13 |
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| oiaohm | sebsebseb: Yep troll spammers. People who want everything. | May 04 02:14 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: we don't even have a ops room at the moment, and I am thinking an ops room, for ops of any offical Mageia channel. in the case of Ubuntu IRC they have a ops room for the core ops, but also an international ops room for the ops of any offical Ubuntu channel | May 04 02:15 |
| cubezzz | people can be so impolite in IRC | May 04 02:15 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: Most trolls can be ignored, it's the bloody spammers that annoys me. | May 04 02:15 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: basically the trash of human world will turn up. | May 04 02:15 |
| oiaohm | developers are mostly nice people. | May 04 02:15 |
| oiaohm | So while its just rooms of developers the project is fairly nice and the ops don't have major problems. | May 04 02:15 |
| cubezzz | my first experience in #linux was very negative | May 04 02:15 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: Yep still one of the worst managed channels out there. | May 04 02:16 |
| olorin_ | oiaohm: You're probably familiar with nasty people in #winehq? | May 04 02:16 |
| cubezzz | in ##amiga and many other channels people were much friendlier | May 04 02:16 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: so far when I have tried to change something for the better, to do with the Magiea to the founders on IRC, so yeah the Identica stuff, and even before mentiong having ops, it really hasn't worked out properly, been kind of laughed at at times even, hmm | May 04 02:16 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: from doing winehq yes I know them first hand. | May 04 02:16 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: since rules we mostly don't get them. | May 04 02:17 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: odd 1 or 2 here or there. | May 04 02:17 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: and ok still not myself down for the marketting team on the wiki, or joined the mailing list, but uhmm. if us marketting team people are going to, market this distro, we need to sort these little issues out as well, and if that means changing the founders attidue a bit or trying to, I guess so be it? and if we can't even do this, then I guess this distro is going to end up being a failure really really communitywise | May 04 02:17 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: really you need to split your people a little. | May 04 02:18 |
| oiaohm | Wine has 4 major cats. | May 04 02:18 |
| oiaohm | users, support people, marketing and developers. | May 04 02:18 |
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| sebsebseb | olorin_: June 1st not that long to go now, and really we still aren't set up properly on the community side | May 04 02:19 |
| oiaohm | Each of these groups have different skill sets and different tollerances. | May 04 02:19 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: Lot is not that hard to setup. | May 04 02:19 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: Yes, and one of things I want to, which should have been done from the beginning, was to rewrite some of the tools, making them more in line with KDE4 etc and people expectations in 2011. | May 04 02:19 |
| oiaohm | Rules on behaviour. | May 04 02:19 |
| oiaohm | They most are the same in all location. | May 04 02:19 |
| oiaohm | Rules on content of channels. That is a major difference. | May 04 02:20 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh? such as? ,but sure they woudn't have accepted that anyway? I mean it wasn't meant to be a load of new features? altough saying that, we are going to get this Java Maven thing in Mageia 1, which is something | May 04 02:20 |
| oiaohm | Becuase you don't want developers with users that hard doing support. | May 04 02:20 |
| sebsebseb | uh again for olorin_ ^ | May 04 02:20 |
| olorin_ | Damn. | May 04 02:20 |
| oiaohm | So you have channels for developer and users in 1. | May 04 02:20 |
| sebsebseb | attack of the o's two of them olorin_ and oiaohm | May 04 02:21 |
| olorin_ | Don't worry, I sometimes write to myself instead of oiaohm. :-) | May 04 02:21 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: they been very stubborn about how they would do Mageia 1, and what it would be | May 04 02:21 |
| oiaohm | Also lot of users and developers don't want to hear marketing planing. sebsebseb | May 04 02:21 |
| oiaohm | Serousally. | May 04 02:21 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: which is ok really I guess, but they should not be so stubborn for Mageia 2, and listen to the community and what it wants properly | May 04 02:22 |
| olorin_ | oiaohm: Yep, and that's why I advocated strongly for #libreoffice-dev. :-) | May 04 02:22 |
| oiaohm | Ie they are the target of marketing but they don't really want to know the fact. | May 04 02:22 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: yeah well there's a mailing list for Mageia marketting that yeah... | May 04 02:22 |
| oiaohm | This is why you have 4 groups. | May 04 02:22 |
| oiaohm | And why you need rules on where particular content can be. | May 04 02:23 |
| sebsebseb | and a IRC channel of some sort even I think | May 04 02:23 |
| olorin_ | oiaohm: Which reminds me of some alterations I did to the Norwegian LibO website and ML's. | May 04 02:23 |
| oiaohm | Some case marketing channels in some project are invite only. | May 04 02:23 |
| oiaohm | Because you don't want compeition always knowing what you are doing marketing side. sebsebseb | May 04 02:24 |
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| oiaohm | Market is one of the sections that is hard. sebsebseb | May 04 02:24 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oh and maybe we should take control of @mageia on Identica, the marketting team, but that means they got tell us news first, before we can tell others, but at least that way when I am in control of it, it will send to the !mageia group and not just the tag :D | May 04 02:24 |
| oiaohm | Marketting. | May 04 02:24 |
| sebsebseb | uh this again stupid auto complete for yep olorin_ again | May 04 02:25 |
| oiaohm | Marketting also has to work close with developers. | May 04 02:25 |
| oiaohm | if you want to see how marketing can screw up badly. | May 04 02:25 |
| oiaohm | Best example is KDE 4.0 | May 04 02:25 |
| oiaohm | Marketing team was saying 1 thing developers were saying another. | May 04 02:25 |
| oiaohm | Result many thousands of upset users. | May 04 02:26 |
| olorin_ | Marketing needs to be fed by developers etc. | May 04 02:26 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: It need to feed back to developers. | May 04 02:26 |
| oiaohm | Ie developers sign off that the marketing push is correct. | May 04 02:26 |
| olorin_ | oiaohm: Yes, it's a both way operation. | May 04 02:26 |
| oiaohm | KDE 4.0 case was a lack of a feedback. | May 04 02:26 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: what kind of stuff has the marketting team been doing anyway so far, or will be? I mean I have looked before on the mailing list, but back then, it didn't really tell me much | May 04 02:26 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: this is also rules. | May 04 02:27 |
| oiaohm | So that everyone knows the process. | May 04 02:27 |
| sebsebseb | nuts for olorin_ ok maybe I should stop using high lighting at the moment :D | May 04 02:27 |
| oiaohm | Ie who got to ack what. | May 04 02:27 |
| oiaohm | Before marketing goes out following people ahve to sign off basically sebsebseb | May 04 02:28 |
| oiaohm | And how the information will be sourced. | May 04 02:28 |
| oiaohm | Without this you will run into trouble. | May 04 02:28 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia marketting will be a diffuclt team to be on olorin_ or? | May 04 02:28 |
| oiaohm | So yes 5 days thinking about rules for everything. | May 04 02:28 |
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| oiaohm | Will make the life of project many times simpler. sebsebseb | May 04 02:28 |
| oiaohm | And reduce chance of major stuffups. | May 04 02:29 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: Dunno actually, there's been some changes since I joined. | May 04 02:29 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: such as? | May 04 02:29 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: big thing KDE could live threw a major stuff up. | May 04 02:29 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: Like meetings. :-p | May 04 02:29 |
| oiaohm | New distribution might not get a chance. | May 04 02:29 |
| oiaohm | Biggest issue with Ubuntu is that user feedback can be straight up disrguarded. | May 04 02:30 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: yeah we need to market Mageia properly, get it out there, or it will be just some distro, that doesn't have much of a user base | May 04 02:30 |
| sebsebseb | and well yeah for Ubuntu ^ | May 04 02:30 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: The main problem with Mageia is of course the slowness in project. Look at TDF and how fast they got up LibreOffice and its infrastructure. | May 04 02:30 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: and the bad part to be able to market properly you need rules how that will operate. | May 04 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | you'd think the Republicans would try to win over the under 80 crowd | May 04 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | there have to be a few people under 80 that vote | May 04 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | why do their candidates always look 30 years older than the guys in the Viagra commercials? | May 04 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | I mean really | May 04 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | If you can't get an erection, talk to your doctor about voting Republican | May 04 02:30 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: well Mageia has still got a lack of developers at the moment really | May 04 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | (me from another chat) | May 04 02:30 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: developers/packagers/both | May 04 02:31 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: They don't have to be perfect to start off with. Ie over time you will refine them. | May 04 02:31 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: but if the rules are not there it will be a disaster. | May 04 02:31 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: who is going to be the press contact. | May 04 02:31 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: oh yeah someone might find this when searching for Mageia on Google :D I mean this channel gets publically logged | May 04 02:31 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: that is another must have. | May 04 02:32 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: Err, and you rememberd that now? | May 04 02:32 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: because press will contact the press contact at times to make sure they have there facts straight. | May 04 02:32 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: could ask schestowitz to edit out maybe, but he woudn't normally, altough it's not like we have said something bad? | May 04 02:32 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: ^ | May 04 02:33 |
| olorin_ | DaemonFC: Maybe they liked the way the Polit Bureau did it. | May 04 02:33 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: Nothing that's already on the mailing lists afaik. | May 04 02:33 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: also you are like olorin_ if running the marketting system and it goes wrong you don't have rules that you followed you will be the scape goat. | May 04 02:33 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: I don't like seeing good people hurt because they missed the writting rules bit. | May 04 02:34 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: well yeah, the marketting team maybe also get some of the blame, if a version of the distro becomes basically a failure I guess? | May 04 02:34 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: what i am getting at is like a KDE 4.0 event. | May 04 02:35 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: were you got something wrong. | May 04 02:35 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: if processes were followed to prevent this and it happened rules/processes get altered. | May 04 02:35 |
| oiaohm | because the process/rules were to blame. | May 04 02:35 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: KDE 4.0 was meant to be for developers and testers really a early release, but distro's shipped it | May 04 02:36 |
| oiaohm | Without them process/rules you are to blame. | May 04 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | Seems like I run into more bugs in Mandriva than any other distro | May 04 02:36 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: Which rules? | May 04 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | I hope Mageia manages to clean it up a bit | May 04 02:36 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: and the marketing team of KDE was pushing it as the best thing since slice bread. | May 04 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | the package management on Mandriva is nice | May 04 02:36 |
| olorin_ | DaemonFC: Anything special? | May 04 02:36 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: KDE 4.0 marketing rules lacked a feed back to developer requirement. | May 04 02:36 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Mageia should change that :) ,but for Mageia 1 it would be similar bugwise I guess compared to Mandriva 2011 | May 04 02:36 |
| DaemonFC | oh, last time I used it it was mostly trying to get FGLRX to work that caused the most trouble | May 04 02:37 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: there were rules but they were wrong. | May 04 02:37 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: so the axe did not fall in the marketing people. | May 04 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | I'm using Kubuntu now because it's really easy to roll your own kernel and add a PPA that tracks the latest free drivers | May 04 02:37 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: I agree the marketting team needs good contact with the developers as well really | May 04 02:37 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: It need to be written up. | May 04 02:38 |
| DaemonFC | I don't want to deal with FGLRX again, it's not worth the hassle | May 04 02:38 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: so if something goes wrogn you can say the following process/rules was followed to approve marketing. | May 04 02:38 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: how can we alter these to prevent to happening again. | May 04 02:38 |
| DaemonFC | it's so bad that maintaining my own kernels to keep the drm code up to speed with Mesa is easier | May 04 02:38 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: I know formal is a pain in ass I hate doing it. | May 04 02:39 |
| olorin_ | DaemonFC: I thought it was mainly just installing and maybe running aticonfig at this stage. | May 04 02:39 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: well yeah there neeeds to be rules/guidliens for these things to follow, so that yeah, if something goes wrong, got something to look at, I think that's what your saying? | May 04 02:39 |
| DaemonFC | olorin_, You don't need aticonfig anymore | May 04 02:39 |
| DaemonFC | or a xorg.conf | May 04 02:39 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: Yep and you need those rules formal before you really get under way. | May 04 02:39 |
| DaemonFC | but it still has weird bugs that show up randomly | May 04 02:39 |
| DaemonFC | that never changes | May 04 02:39 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: and Ubuntu log their support channels and their ops, room publically, probably so that if something happens, well there's the log to look at | May 04 02:40 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: other wise you can have big trouble leading to internal fighting. | May 04 02:40 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: Internal fighting is the last thing you need. | May 04 02:40 |
| olorin_ | DaemonFC: Yeah, in most cases that will work just fine. | May 04 02:40 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: maybe we should have a ops room that is publically logged as well even for Mageia ^ however I think many people think stuff like that isn't really neassarey when the community is still small. uh right, but when it comes to these things I think about the presant and the future. | May 04 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | it would be nice if ATI just let FGLRX die, take it out back and give it both barrels and put the people maintaining it to work on the modern (key word) free (another key work) driver stack | May 04 02:41 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: Internal fighting is what forks projects quickly. It bad enough having developer idea disagreements without support or marketing being causes. | May 04 02:41 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: if we do things properly communitywise as well, something tells me, that Mageia could become well a lot more popular than current Mandriva | May 04 02:41 |
| DaemonFC | *word | May 04 02:41 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: think about what started mageia away from mandriva | May 04 02:42 |
| olorin_ | DaemonFC: oiaohm might have some ideas about driver development. | May 04 02:42 |
| DaemonFC | the free driver is not as mature but the foundation is a lot more solid than FGLRX | May 04 02:42 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: those are mistakes you must not repleat ever. Becuase they will trigger a fork again. | May 04 02:42 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: Of course, and that's why we need to things a little bit different. Step one, get rid of the laidbackness. | May 04 02:42 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: Its fine to be laidback once the rules are their. | May 04 02:43 |
| olorin_ | oiaohm: Yes, but only then. | May 04 02:43 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: we need to start thinking properly about the community NOW! agreed | May 04 02:43 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: the issue is being laidback without a bed or rules to lay on. | May 04 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | It would be hilarious if ATI could release the full source code to their proprietary Linux driver. By that I mean, hilarious as Microsoft releasing the code to Internet Explorer. | May 04 02:43 |
| olorin_ | DaemonFC: Ain't gonna happen. | May 04 02:44 |
| sebsebseb | again I was meant to message you olorin_ ^ | May 04 02:44 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: Not exactly ture. | May 04 02:44 |
| oiaohm | ATI can release the source to good block of closed source driver in 10 years time. | May 04 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | obviously, they'd be liable from all the people laughing so hard they couldn't breathe | May 04 02:44 |
| oiaohm | Ie when patents expire. olorin_ | May 04 02:44 |
| olorin_ | oiaohm: I think DaemonFC meant now. | May 04 02:45 |
| oiaohm | ATI had one of the worst patent management systems ever. | May 04 02:45 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: starting June 1st, Mageia will start getting quite a lot of attention, something tells me that quite a few people from the Ubuntu community may even try it, because of not being happy with Unity, and like I already said, we need to sort out IRC a bit better before then really :) | May 04 02:45 |
| oiaohm | Sections of the open source driver are from the closed source driver. olorin_ | May 04 02:45 |
| DaemonFC | The public source for the kernel glue is lulzy enough, copyrights dating back to 1998 on some of the headers | May 04 02:45 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: and people like new things as well | May 04 02:45 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: ^ | May 04 02:45 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: something else you guys have not thought about is bug management. | May 04 02:46 |
| olorin_ | oiaohm: I'm aware of that, but the third party proprieritary components they have licensed themselves are not of course. | May 04 02:46 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: uhmm Mageia has a bugzilla | May 04 02:46 |
| DaemonFC | The way ATI ran things I'd be surprised if even AMD knows who owns what in their driver | May 04 02:46 |
| oiaohm | bugzilla is tracking not management. | May 04 02:47 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: uhmm Mageia has. http://mageia.org/bugs | May 04 02:47 |
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| sebsebseb | olorin_: what's the site for the bugs ^ | May 04 02:47 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: wine has particular people who job is to go threw bugzilla searching for duplicates. | May 04 02:47 |
| olorin_ | I think oiaohm means something like TRAC. | May 04 02:47 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: I mean a team. | May 04 02:47 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: who job is basiclaly to look after the bugs. | May 04 02:48 |
| olorin_ | oiaohm: We have a Triage team. | May 04 02:48 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm, speaking of WINE, they had a whole page dedicated to the shit that FGLRX does to it at one point | May 04 02:48 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: we still do. | May 04 02:48 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: a proper security team is being set up now as well :) | May 04 02:48 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: so you have progressed from the last time I looked at you guys. | May 04 02:48 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: heh heh in a way I guess | May 04 02:49 |
| olorin_ | We have, but I still think the pace is too slow. | May 04 02:49 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: I really don't think slow. | May 04 02:49 |
| *olorin_ is demanding tonight. | May 04 02:49 | |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: I think a lot of people in the community don't have contact with each other onilne, which well is ashame really. | May 04 02:49 |
| oiaohm | personally I think just a little out of order. | May 04 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | Well, the nice thing about the free video drivers being free, is that when Wine has a problem due to a bug in the driver, they can and do actually go fix the driver (lots of patches from Wine devs in Mesa) | May 04 02:50 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: and I mean contributors not just end users | May 04 02:50 |
| oiaohm | Basic I would have expected Triage team after communication rules. | May 04 02:50 |
| DaemonFC | There's nothing they can do about FGLRX except tell the user how to work around it, if that's even possible | May 04 02:50 |
| oiaohm | Because Triage teams can cause people to get upset when they merge bugs that should not be. | May 04 02:51 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: recent FGLRX have got better. | May 04 02:51 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: It's downstraight impossible to interconnect those hiding in USENET to IRC and vice versa. | May 04 02:51 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: as for the founders, well they have mainly been thinking about the distro itself of cousre, and setting up the board which was done back in February, but the actsual community has been like a side thing I guess. oh and has the marketting team been told what to do by someone, or has it been mainly do what the marketting wants to do? for example | May 04 02:51 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: Not exactly. | May 04 02:51 |
| sebsebseb | well I meant loads of people on IRC, don't really know each other yet, online, in the Mageia IRC | May 04 02:52 |
| olorin_ | oiaohm: No, but they sure are stubborn creatures. | May 04 02:52 |
| oiaohm | It is possible to one way link usenet to irc | May 04 02:52 |
| sebsebseb | also oh Mageia is on usenet? | May 04 02:52 |
| oiaohm | Ie irc logs in usenet | May 04 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | "Wooohooo, it's fast and you can play games with it!!!!" *start a game in WINE, watch it crash* | May 04 02:52 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: Nope. | May 04 02:52 |
| DaemonFC | there's no point in even having FGLRX if it's going to be like that | May 04 02:52 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: I have done the evil of running meetings accross the two. | May 04 02:52 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: It's was more to prove a point that we need to consolidate users. | May 04 02:53 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: maybe two thinsg we can sort out at least, before the final. so yeah the identica issue see above, but also the IRC rules :) | May 04 02:53 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: where the usenet users could post in what they wanted and irc channel talked about it and then sent the final log back to usenet. | May 04 02:53 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: Me and you could probably work on a draft this week. | May 04 02:53 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: what about the forums, does that have any rules yet? | May 04 02:53 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: result was usenet active users becoming irc members. | May 04 02:53 |
| olorin_ | oiaohm: The technical challenge is probably the easiest to solve. | May 04 02:54 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: well look at the Ubuntu rules for ideas :D | May 04 02:54 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: But again this is rules. | May 04 02:54 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: meetings in irc accepent topics from usenet with log of meeting back to usenet. | May 04 02:54 |
| oiaohm | Really not hard. | May 04 02:54 |
| oiaohm | But makes the two community at least have some chatter with each other. | May 04 02:55 |
| olorin_ | As in a agenda. | May 04 02:55 |
| oiaohm | Yep. olorin_ | May 04 02:55 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: also the news to sites, such as Identica, Twitter, and Facebook, to the offical groups, as I think oiaohm basically said earlier, really the marketting team should be in control of that? well indeed at that I guess :) | May 04 02:56 |
| oiaohm | Notice that both links are pure 1 ways. | May 04 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | I think a lot of the stuff that they do with Ubuntu is ridiculous, luckily not much of that crap has spilled over into KDE | May 04 02:56 |
| olorin_ | Well, myself and sebsebseb could probably advocate this. I also subscribe to the USENET groups in question, well, at least for Mandriva related ones atm. | May 04 02:56 |
| DaemonFC | aside from having to use --no-install-recommends every time I install a GTK app to make sure I don't get any Unity garbage | May 04 02:57 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: uhmm well we are talking community now, not distros them selves | May 04 02:57 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: we could advocate what? | May 04 02:57 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: note I said cats. user, support, developer, marketing. | May 04 02:57 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: what cat the item fits into is who should be controlling it. | May 04 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | forking should never be a first choice | May 04 02:57 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: like lot of identica twitter and facebook stuff would fall into marketing. | May 04 02:58 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: no and it wasn't with Mageia I guess, or it would have been done quite a long time ago | May 04 02:58 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: Makes sense to me. I connected the LibreOffice Norway Twitter and identi.ca accounts, and also follow up with ML posts and press releases. | May 04 02:58 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: support channels and development zones would fall under there own respective. | May 04 02:58 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: of course in the case of Identica, the group, users can post there Mageia stuff as well :) | May 04 02:58 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: ,but the actsaul news from @mageia should be sent by the marketting team to Identica and to the group really :) that's the point | May 04 02:59 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: and your users might have socal areas were they talk about off topic stuff. | May 04 02:59 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: 4 key cats. | May 04 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva has some bitrot going on | May 04 02:59 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: everything wil break down into 1 of them | May 04 02:59 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: That's why I mentioned the feedback loop earlier. | May 04 02:59 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: and well yeah we got to get the news from the devs | May 04 02:59 |
| sebsebseb | and people like that | May 04 02:59 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: note I said cats. user, support, developer, marketing. << This is possiblely the most important thing to remember. | May 04 03:00 |
| oiaohm | Since it critical. | May 04 03:00 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: and people like us can be admin of the identica group even, even though that doesn't really tend to get used much on Identica. we need to talk to them in IRC about this, I don't know what founder has access and such | May 04 03:00 |
| olorin_ | oiaohm: Indeed. | May 04 03:00 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: one of the worse things ever. | May 04 03:00 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: what is? | May 04 03:00 |
| oiaohm | Is to have your marketing team advertisment be guiding you developers. | May 04 03:01 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: and like I said there are currently some issues with Mageia, that I want resolved :) and should be able to get resovled | May 04 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | the terrible ideas that are dominating GNOME and Unity have left KDE the only real choice | May 04 03:01 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: result is complete failure. | May 04 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | not that KDE is too bad these days | May 04 03:01 |
| oiaohm | Reason why you must know where your 4 cats are. sebsebseb | May 04 03:01 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: well Mageia on identica really has been a complete failure so far, I agree | May 04 03:01 |
| oiaohm | Ie if you want user feed back | May 04 03:01 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: woudn't take much to change that though :) | May 04 03:01 |
| oiaohm | You must find users. | May 04 03:02 |
| olorin_ | oiaohm: Like I said, they feed marketing with information, marketing feedback any information they get from users to the dev's. | May 04 03:02 |
| oiaohm | If you want developer feedbakc you must find developers. | May 04 03:02 |
| oiaohm | The 4 cat are basically key to all operations. | May 04 03:02 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: it's a joke, that I am re denting @mageia and to the group, so it shows there as well, not just the tag, a complete joke really. http://identi.ca/group/mageia | May 04 03:02 |
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| oiaohm | The project 1 fail if any 1 of the cats is not workign right. | May 04 03:02 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: it's also a joke that the @mageia user has had the logo for a long time now, but the group still does not have http://identi.ca/group/mageia http://identi.ca/mageia | May 04 03:03 |
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| oiaohm | Marketing is also hard. | May 04 03:03 |
| oiaohm | Since you sometimes have to take what the developers says and turn it into what person off the street who does not know you can understand. | May 04 03:03 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: andi n the past I have mentioend this stuff on there even, which shoudn't have been needed to be done in the first place at all in any kind of way. I mean if things were set up right to begin with, but they weren't. | May 04 03:04 |
| olorin_ | oiaohm: Translation work is hard. | May 04 03:04 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: Yep do to it being hard its really simple to make errors. | May 04 03:04 |
| oiaohm | Big bad errors. | May 04 03:05 |
| oiaohm | Out of all the groups the hardest is marketing. | May 04 03:05 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: it may be yes, when got to change stubborn founders/developers mind about little things, such as the Identica issue, and even the having proper IRC rules | May 04 03:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Oh !Canada: First Past The Post Election Blues http://ur1.ca/42tuv !elxn41 !fed2011 !cpc !ndp !lpc !bloc !gpc !cdnpoli | May 04 03:06 | |
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| olorin_ | I cover all of them in the Norwegian branches for certain projects. | May 04 03:06 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: marketing is also the highest risk. | May 04 03:06 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: developers make a mistake in a program version people use an old version until is fixed upset but they can still work. | May 04 03:06 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: oiaohm I was basically told before by one of them, when I was like Ubuntu IRC has good rules really, I was basicaly told that, people found UBuntu Fr to strict, and such | May 04 03:06 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: marketing don't have second chance options. | May 04 03:06 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: marketing falls into 3 states. 1 it worked. 2 it did nothing. 3 it just blew our feet off. | May 04 03:07 |
| olorin_ | oiaohm: That's where the big fat apology comes in place. | May 04 03:07 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: You hope that every bit of marketing lands in 1 and 2 | May 04 03:07 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_ oiaohm: New user to me: Why does the Identica group not have an avater? Why do you keep on redenting the @mageia user to the group? Me: uhmm well..... | May 04 03:08 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: oiaohm Well that isn't really that good right now, and would be even worse once the final is out. ^ | May 04 03:08 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: ^ | May 04 03:08 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: And the simple answer would be, we have none representing Mageia properly. | May 04 03:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] now, done with politics awhile. <whew> | May 04 03:09 | |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: @mageia would be news yep which it is at the moment anyway and only that really. and we can dent our own personal Mageia related stuff and what not, with our name | May 04 03:09 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah exactly to what you just said olorin_ | May 04 03:09 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: Really if it is for news | May 04 03:10 |
| sebsebseb | Identica is the issue. the way news gets on Twitter and Facebook isn't at the moment really | May 04 03:10 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: it really needs to be kept for that. | May 04 03:10 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: Putting other stuff in there kinda confuses people. | May 04 03:10 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: no a group has the social stuff as well, but yes @mageia only sends news | May 04 03:10 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: so a users channel. | May 04 03:11 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: with marketers sneaking marketing. | May 04 03:11 |
| olorin_ | We should have a dedicated social group instead I think. | May 04 03:11 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: no look | May 04 03:11 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: http://identi.ca/group/ubuntu for example | May 04 03:11 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: so Ubuntu news, but also people talking about Ubuntu, and it's like that for all groups on there really | May 04 03:11 |
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| sebsebseb | olorin_: and if people strictly only want the Mageia news on identica, then they subscribe to @mageia yes, but not the group, simple as that | May 04 03:12 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: Yes. | May 04 03:13 |
| sebsebseb | and that's how it works, and the group is meant to be a sort of social thing as well, and the convo's get context | May 04 03:13 |
| sebsebseb | people read other peoples context if interested | May 04 03:13 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: and sending to the group also sends to the tag, but sending only to the tag does not send to the group as well, which is the current issue with the @mageia user | May 04 03:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Marble Run, Infographic Challenge, Hyper Audio and more… http://blog.mozilla.com/about_mozilla/2011/05/03/marble-run-infographic-challenge-h | May 04 03:14 | |
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| sebsebseb | and that's also, becuse of how Twitter has tags yes, but not groups | May 04 03:14 |
| sebsebseb | and how they send to identica, Twitter, and Facebook at the same time | May 04 03:14 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: I think if ! is used on Twitter though, it would tag anyway, not sure quite | May 04 03:15 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: read that ubuntu carefully you will notice is a user design. Negitive feedback and all. | May 04 03:15 |
| GoForbes28 | Is Debian Testing still a pretty stable distro? | May 04 03:15 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: somethines not having that early on can be useful. First version you can expect issues. | May 04 03:16 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: Ubuntu is the second biggest group on identica, currently Linux :) not that long ago it was Ubuntu. so yep sometimes negative stuff may end up in the Ubuntu group even | May 04 03:16 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: My current debian here is a mix between stable testing and sid and it works ok. | May 04 03:16 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: The result: http://twitter.com/#!/libonorge | May 04 03:16 |
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| sebsebseb | olorin_: well I am in the Twitterfree group on identica :) | May 04 03:16 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: They indicated not to mix stable with other repos | May 04 03:17 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: basically how good do you think your release will go. | May 04 03:17 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: got an exception I do in fact have 4 tweets look. http://twitter.com/asebsebseb | May 04 03:17 |
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| olorin_ | sebsebseb: I have to market where people are. :-) | May 04 03:17 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: I always have been doing the worst to debian. | May 04 03:17 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: supprisingly min harm. | May 04 03:17 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: however that was mainly so I could say I have sent Tweets, and also mainly, beuse of how I coudn't get this name on Twitter, becasue well | May 04 03:17 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: I would not dare do this with most other distributions. | May 04 03:17 |
| sebsebseb | http://twitter.com/sebsebseb | May 04 03:17 |
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| sebsebseb | olorin_: who was probably that French speaking person who used my name on here about two years or so ago, before I put nick protection on | May 04 03:18 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: for me as a more "casual" user, would running testing be easier if upgrading certain packages is teh goal? | May 04 03:18 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: the one I told off | May 04 03:18 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: so yeah I don't send Tweets, and this is why ^ | May 04 03:18 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: Ok. | May 04 03:18 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: plus TWitter is main streame rubbish and propritary :D | May 04 03:19 |
| sebsebseb | where as identica is run by the opensource statusnet :) | May 04 03:19 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: I want to upgrade to XFCE 4.8 and install the testing linux kernel | May 04 03:19 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: really, Identica, Twitter, and Facebook are differnet sites, and if neassarey should be treated like that I think, when it comes to these Mageia users on them | May 04 03:20 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Debian using testing kernel is normally min disruption because debian kernel is very min patched. | May 04 03:20 |
| GoForbes28 | what's the easiest way of going about this? | May 04 03:20 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: each is a different pool if users. | May 04 03:20 |
| GoForbes28 | Download the packages manually or edit sources? | May 04 03:21 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: but really yes treat them the same because groups split all over the place is a pain to talk to. | May 04 03:21 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: and with Identica it's very important that the @mageia dents show in the group, but unforutnatly from my past complaining on IRC about this a few or so times, the founders I talked to, Twitter people, well they didn't reolise that | May 04 03:21 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: I am just use to select what i want and installing it. Debian handles multi kernel very well. | May 04 03:22 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: was even told that groups on identica are pointless, which really is not the case. that's a major advantage of identica. if your interestd in something you can subscribe to the group, without having to be subscribed to loads of people for example :) | May 04 03:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] I am glad I dont support either of these two pathetic !football teams http://ur1.ca/42twc | May 04 03:22 | |
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| GoForbes28 | selecting online? | May 04 03:23 |
| GoForbes28 | on the website? | May 04 03:23 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: I just want things done properly that's all really :) and some of the things are so easy to change really so they are, as I hope you understand now :) and I think you can see where I am coming from when I say about the Identica and Mageia issues now :) | May 04 03:23 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: groups are good on identica, very good indeed, already said why above to olorin_ | May 04 03:24 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: plus you told me earlier, that you don't really use that site anyway | May 04 03:24 |
| sebsebseb | use the site more, and you would see for yourself, how good groups are I guess :) | May 04 03:25 |
| sebsebseb | by being in some good ones :) | May 04 03:25 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: so you want to talk to founders on IRC about this stuff, or go on the mailng list or something? some time this week? | May 04 03:26 |
| sebsebseb | that's the Identica thing, but also IRC rules thing | May 04 03:26 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: one of the reasons I wanted to get invovled with Mageia by the way, and yeah from the beginning really, is, becaause it's a new distro, one I think that could become pretty popular in about a year or two. and well it's nice to be invovled with a distro more properly from the beginning I find :) | May 04 03:28 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: I am unlikely to change distribution any time soon. | May 04 03:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] I can't listen to rest of !lo 204, too painful. Does @fabsh end up endorsing copyright assignment? | May 04 03:29 | |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: Ie been on debian for over 10 years. | May 04 03:29 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: with Ubuntu well, I used since the second release in 2005 yes, but I didn't really try and get invovlved with the community more properly by doing IRC support a lot of it, untill 2008 I guess it was. and well yeah | May 04 03:29 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: about the only things that may move me. Is systemd and ulagtacey support. | May 04 03:30 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: Ubuntu is a bit like Windows for me now, i'll keep an eye on it, and in the ase of Ubuntu use it somestimes still even | May 04 03:30 |
| sebsebseb | like right now I am, well ok a beta 2 install, that I installed the Gnome 3 ppa wrongly in, so got a corss betwen Gnoem 2 and Gnome 3 | May 04 03:30 |
| sebsebseb | yeah on the verge of re installing, later this week I guess | May 04 03:30 |
| oiaohm | Ubuntu turned up and I was already a long term debian user. | May 04 03:30 |
| oiaohm | And I was noticing stablity dropps. | May 04 03:30 |
| oiaohm | That made me completley not happy. | May 04 03:30 |
| sebsebseb | give Unity 3D and 2D another try with the final, look at the compiz settings, give Gnome 3 a try from the ppa. altough I read something earlier about not installing the ppa at the moment well there was some dent and I didn't read the proper thing. | May 04 03:31 |
| sebsebseb | and uhmm | May 04 03:31 |
| sebsebseb | i'll give Fedora 15 a try later on, and eventually Mageia will become my main distro :) | May 04 03:31 |
| oiaohm | I bearly lasted 4 weeks on ubuntu when I tried it. | May 04 03:31 |
| oiaohm | And back then it was far less tweaked to hell. | May 04 03:31 |
| sebsebseb | at the moment I am a bit of a distro hopper really, and I want to try out Gnome 3 in something the final of that, but had issues with the Live CD's from http://gnome3.org and uh | May 04 03:31 |
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| oiaohm | Fedora being a development release no way should it be more stable than production release. | May 04 03:32 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: basically you should be able to beat Fedora. | May 04 03:32 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: If you are not your are doing something wrong. | May 04 03:32 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: I am likeing what I got installed at the moment really, however this like Gnome 2 with the Gnome 3 tools, I am not really meant to have that, since I was meant to have Gnome Shel and such, but even so, I am liking what I got right now | May 04 03:32 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: indeed | May 04 03:33 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia should be able to beat Fedora | May 04 03:33 |
| sebsebseb | as in popularity, the amount of users | May 04 03:33 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: also another fact to think about. | May 04 03:33 |
| sebsebseb | however no Gnome 3 in Mageia untill Mageia 2 so hmm | May 04 03:33 |
| oiaohm | one of my controlling factor for what distributions I use are what distributions are in My local ISP file mirror. | May 04 03:33 |
| oiaohm | Since updating from the file mirror does not count to my internet quota. | May 04 03:34 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: ah right yeah, well I don't have those issues :) | May 04 03:34 |
| oiaohm | And even if I am over quota I can down load from the local file mirror at full speed. | May 04 03:34 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: But I would not be alone with this. | May 04 03:34 |
| oiaohm | One of the marketing targets should be to get distribution into as many ISP file mirrors as able. | May 04 03:35 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: Fedora would be hard to beat as you say at first, but maybe in like two to four years or something, Mageia can do just htat | May 04 03:35 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: Ubuntu on the other hand, well it looks like they need to mess up enough, before some other distro becomes number one on the desktop instead | May 04 03:35 |
| oiaohm | Since it will expand your user base. | May 04 03:35 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: so you did not think of that? | May 04 03:35 |
| sebsebseb | either that or have Ubuntu not being made anymore | May 04 03:35 |
| oiaohm | Don't your ISP's provide file mirrors? | May 04 03:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @bkuhn Bf. ppl say #Mono devs losing jobs is good for !FaiF, !Linux &/or !GNU, I hope they'll read my blog: http://ur1.ca/42teb #Nove ... | May 04 03:36 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mono Developers Losing Jobs Isn't Good - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) .::. Size~: 19.19 KB | May 04 03:36 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: I have been able to get the Ubuntu ISO from my ISP's mirror | May 04 03:36 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: as for repo's, well this is proper broadband so I guess not | May 04 03:36 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: the file mirror I have here does not have iso's. | May 04 03:36 |
| oiaohm | They have the repos | May 04 03:37 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: I am up for an 80's vampire film tonight really, I should get started then really, before it's bit to uhmmm late/early here | May 04 03:37 |
| sebsebseb | or not bother hmm | May 04 03:38 |
| oiaohm | And for debian you have to use jigdo to build the iso. | May 04 03:38 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: that is a good thing for ISP's. | May 04 03:38 |
| sebsebseb | not sure what that is? | May 04 03:38 |
| oiaohm | jigdo is a special form of downloader. | May 04 03:39 |
| oiaohm | takes a template of a iso download the packages from a deb repo and builds them into a iso image. | May 04 03:40 |
| oiaohm | So avoiding having huge space to have cd and dvd images of distributions. | May 04 03:40 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: hmm someone subscribed to me recently, I messaged about that, and now not subscribed to me | May 04 03:40 |
| sebsebseb | oh well I guess | May 04 03:40 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: some Ubuntu/Lubuntu user or something anyway | May 04 03:41 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: yeah I am on about Identica | May 04 03:41 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: debian had to consider it. | May 04 03:41 |
| oiaohm | when you they started having a few tb of iso images there was a problem. | May 04 03:41 |
| oiaohm | jigdo was a solution to a problem ie 1 copy in repo 1 copy in cd 1 copy in dvd 1 copy in blue ray. Hmm we are heading to hell quicky. | May 04 03:42 |
| oiaohm | Then you have a few varations of isos..... | May 04 03:43 |
| oiaohm | Does not take long to end up in a location where distribution will not fit in isp file mirrors any more. sebsebseb | May 04 03:43 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: uhmm? | May 04 03:44 |
| oiaohm | Its all the duplication. | May 04 03:44 |
| oiaohm | jigdo allows debian repos to have 1 copy of stuff. | May 04 03:44 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: anyway not going to watch a film, because..... I am hungry though, then I here again for a bit, and off to bed again | May 04 03:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] RT @laurelrusswurm Oh !Canada: First Past The Post Election Blues http://ur1.ca/42tuv !elxn41 !fed2011 !cpc !ndp !lpc !bloc !gpc !cdnpoli | May 04 03:49 | |
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| GoForbes28 | If I install Debian testing, I should have a fairly stable distro? | May 04 03:50 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Really most of the scary stuff is normally sorted out in sid. | May 04 03:51 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: testing has a few issues every now and against but quite rare. | May 04 03:51 |
| olorin_ | There's a reason for its name. | May 04 03:52 |
| GoForbes28 | security seems to be less | May 04 03:52 |
| GoForbes28 | in terms of timely updates | May 04 03:52 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: testing on adverage needs less secuirty updates | May 04 03:53 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: since it mostly just update the complete version instead of back porting patches. | May 04 03:54 |
| olorin_ | Testing is pre frozen stage? | May 04 03:54 |
| oiaohm | Backporting patches = bugs introduced by the process. | May 04 03:54 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | May 04 03:54 |
| oiaohm | Stable is version frozen where able. | May 04 03:54 |
| olorin_ | That's freezing package versions btw... | May 04 03:55 |
| GoForbes28 | So in my situation, I need at least the Wheezy kernel | May 04 03:55 |
| GoForbes28 | Backports doesn't have it | May 04 03:55 |
| GoForbes28 | I also would like LibreOffice and XFCE 4.8 (Sid) | May 04 03:55 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: that is what happened to me. | May 04 03:55 |
| oiaohm | So I end up running mixed. | May 04 03:55 |
| GoForbes28 | So would it be reasonable to say that Wheezy would be the best option for me at the moment? Mixing stable with 3 repositories just sounds complicated. | May 04 03:56 |
| oiaohm | There was no particular one with exactly what I wanted. | May 04 03:56 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Really not that bad. | May 04 03:57 |
| GoForbes28 | how do you handle updates though/ | May 04 03:57 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: thinkign like of debians tools were designed to cope with it. | May 04 03:57 |
| oiaohm | Because the package management tracks what pool a package came from. | May 04 03:57 |
| oiaohm | So updates it checks against what pool the package was from. | May 04 03:58 |
| GoForbes28 | so it wouldn't upgrade my squeeze packages to wheezy or sid? | May 04 03:58 |
| oiaohm | So testing packages get updated from testing. | May 04 03:58 |
| GoForbes28 | Is this a recent development? | May 04 03:58 |
| oiaohm | If you are running multi repo. | May 04 03:58 |
| oiaohm | No. | May 04 03:58 |
| oiaohm | you can mix and match. | May 04 03:58 |
| GoForbes28 | Nice | May 04 03:59 |
| oiaohm | Of course sometimes that goes badly wrong. | May 04 03:59 |
| oiaohm | When you try putting 2 incompable parts in. | May 04 03:59 |
| oiaohm | but the debian package manager will attempt to stop you. | May 04 03:59 |
| GoForbes28 | good | May 04 03:59 |
| oiaohm | Basiclaly you have to read. | May 04 03:59 |
| oiaohm | If the package manager is wanting to uninstall half the system. | May 04 03:59 |
| GoForbes28 | so in other words, if you are astute, you'll be fine | May 04 04:00 |
| oiaohm | You most likely done something you should not have. | May 04 04:00 |
| oiaohm | Basically yes. | May 04 04:00 |
| oiaohm | If you are a person who clicks yes on every yes button. | May 04 04:00 |
| GoForbes28 | no | May 04 04:00 |
| oiaohm | You are dead man walking. | May 04 04:00 |
| GoForbes28 | only on Windows :P | May 04 04:00 |
| oiaohm | This is why they say don't mix repo. | May 04 04:00 |
| GoForbes28 | Cause frankly it's broken already I don't really care | May 04 04:01 |
| oiaohm | Because they have to presume the user is over windows trained. | May 04 04:01 |
| GoForbes28 | nah, I have restraint in everything | May 04 04:01 |
| GoForbes28 | I like manual updatign | May 04 04:01 |
| GoForbes28 | Etc. | May 04 04:01 |
| oiaohm | Some advice you see is for the worst percentage of the population. | May 04 04:01 |
| GoForbes28 | yep | May 04 04:01 |
| oiaohm | We are not that. | May 04 04:01 |
| GoForbes28 | what kind of packages do you use from wheezy | May 04 04:01 |
| oiaohm | So running a mixed debian would not be a major risk to you. | May 04 04:01 |
| oiaohm | I would have to check. | May 04 04:02 |
| GoForbes28 | Debian sounds like the distro equivalent of a good Toyota Hilux pickup truck ;) | May 04 04:02 |
| oiaohm | gcc 4.6 for sure. | May 04 04:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: undestructable? | May 04 04:02 |
| olorin_ | Package mixing is for those of use who are able recover a broken system manually. ;-) | May 04 04:02 |
| olorin_ | to recover* | May 04 04:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | put it at the top of a building, blow up the building, it still starts | May 04 04:02 |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo: That's INdestructable | May 04 04:02 |
| GoForbes28 | Top Gear FTW | May 04 04:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | chain it to a beach, let the tides come in and out, it still starts | May 04 04:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | set it ON FIRE | May 04 04:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | IT STILL STARTS | May 04 04:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | HIT IT WITH A SHED | May 04 04:03 |
| olorin_ | GoForbes28: The Hilux. | May 04 04:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | IT STILL STARTS | May 04 04:03 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: I have not had to with debian in 10 years. | May 04 04:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know what | May 04 04:03 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: + | May 04 04:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | debian == toyota hilux | May 04 04:03 |
| GoForbes28 | Make it a boat, and it gets sabotaged | May 04 04:03 |
| olorin_ | Toybota. | May 04 04:03 |
| olorin_ | <3 | May 04 04:03 |
| GoForbes28 | Drive it in the arctic | May 04 04:03 |
| oiaohm | One of them did manage to kill it. | May 04 04:04 |
| oiaohm | I cannot remember what they did to the toyota hilux to kill it. | May 04 04:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | didnt they drop a nuke on it at the end? | May 04 04:04 |
| GoForbes28 | I read that it was sabotaged | May 04 04:04 |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo: lol no | May 04 04:04 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: It was some so simple. | May 04 04:04 |
| GoForbes28 | It was the toybota | May 04 04:04 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: Everything else that should kill it did nothing. | May 04 04:04 |
| olorin_ | oiaohm: The Toybota capsided. | May 04 04:04 |
| GoForbes28 | yeah, and didn't start afterwards | May 04 04:04 |
| GoForbes28 | but as I said, presumed sabotage | May 04 04:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously, that was one fucking epic hilux | May 04 04:05 |
| GoForbes28 | I wish we had Hiluxs here | May 04 04:05 |
| olorin_ | GoForbes28: In other words, business as usual in Top Gear. | May 04 04:05 |
| GoForbes28 | instead we have Tacomas... made in TEXAS | May 04 04:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | we have hiluxs in the US | May 04 04:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | its just a different name | May 04 04:05 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: they got it started after wards | May 04 04:05 |
| oiaohm | It lived threw the capsided state. | May 04 04:05 |
| GoForbes28 | No, it's a worst pickup | May 04 04:05 |
| GoForbes28 | A) It's made in the U.S. rather than Japan | May 04 04:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dunno, I'd only buy toyota | May 04 04:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: btw, fuck you | May 04 04:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | its made in the USA | May 04 04:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | better than ford and their mexican made shit | May 04 04:06 |
| olorin_ | Soft suspension? | May 04 04:06 |
| GoForbes28 | b) It's a watered down design that isn't as tough | May 04 04:06 |
| GoForbes28 | Sorry dude | May 04 04:06 |
| GoForbes28 | Japan or nothing | May 04 04:06 |
| GoForbes28 | and maybe Canada :P | May 04 04:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | that isnt it | May 04 04:06 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: That was it they turned on the fan in the cab. | May 04 04:06 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: Ie simple normally short work. | May 04 04:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | would you rather have "american cars" made in mexico | May 04 04:07 |
| oiaohm | After all the abuse it was basically a short ciruit. | May 04 04:07 |
| GoForbes28 | oh no | May 04 04:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | which ford, chrystler, and gm the "detroit big three" | May 04 04:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | do | May 04 04:07 |
| oiaohm | and took out the electonics. | May 04 04:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | or toyota | May 04 04:07 |
| GoForbes28 | I'd rather them made in Canada | May 04 04:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | "japanese" MADE IN THE USA | May 04 04:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, toyota has at least one canadian plant too | May 04 04:07 |
| GoForbes28 | two actually | May 04 04:07 |
| olorin_ | Diablo-D3: Assembled in US at least. | May 04 04:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know the whole fucking bailout shit? | May 04 04:07 |
| GoForbes28 | of course | May 04 04:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | the WORST QUARTER IN THE HISTORY OF CARS | May 04 04:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | was toyota's only quarter that they didnt make money | May 04 04:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | they ALMOST broke even. | May 04 04:08 |
| GoForbes28 | I also know the Toyota tire controversy was infected with political bullshit | May 04 04:08 |
| GoForbes28 | And they STILL OUTSOLD GM! | May 04 04:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | ford, gm, and crysler? had to STEAL money from the US people | May 04 04:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | using congress | May 04 04:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | fuckers | May 04 04:08 |
| GoForbes28 | Ford didn't | May 04 04:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | all of them | May 04 04:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: they still did | May 04 04:08 |
| GoForbes28 | no, not Ford | May 04 04:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | just indirectly | May 04 04:08 |
| GoForbes28 | Ford actually did progress | May 04 04:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | ford relies on parts manufacturers that toyota doesnt use but the other two do | May 04 04:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | and if the other two went under, ford would have been fucked | May 04 04:09 |
| GoForbes28 | nah | May 04 04:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | it would have dragged them down | May 04 04:09 |
| GoForbes28 | Ford has already been "fucked" | May 04 04:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, ford invented fucking car companies | May 04 04:09 |
| GoForbes28 | They already had to rebuild prior to the recession | May 04 04:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | they've been around the bend a few times | May 04 04:09 |
| GoForbes28 | Ford I have symphony for | May 04 04:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | but the big three? they all got fucking bailouts | May 04 04:09 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: toyota uses same part manufacturers as ford. | May 04 04:09 |
| GoForbes28 | except for the made in mexico crap | May 04 04:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: no, only some | May 04 04:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | there are some toyota wont do business with | May 04 04:10 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: but toyota has renduncy in supply lines. | May 04 04:10 |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo: Ford DIDN'T get a bailout | May 04 04:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: like I said, they did indirectly | May 04 04:10 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: Ie they design the part. | May 04 04:10 |
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| oiaohm | Then have many companies make it for them Diablo-D3 | May 04 04:10 |
| GoForbes28 | I love chrysler's new ads | May 04 04:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: if GM and Chrysler would have went under, it would have killed Ford too | May 04 04:10 |
| GoForbes28 | I don't think so | May 04 04:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | it wouldnt have done shit to Toyota | May 04 04:10 |
| olorin_ | Everyone have sub contractors. | May 04 04:10 |
| oiaohm | This way no single supply can hold them over the barrell | May 04 04:10 |
| GoForbes28 | Ford Europe is too strong to die | May 04 04:10 |
| oiaohm | or cause them a distruption in production. | May 04 04:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ford Europe is hilarious | May 04 04:11 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: Its how you sub contract. | May 04 04:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know the few Fords that ARE made in the US? | May 04 04:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're all sent to Europe. | May 04 04:11 |
| GoForbes28 | It's #1 in so many categories | May 04 04:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | and from what I heard, they're quite good cars | May 04 04:11 |
| GoForbes28 | in Europe | May 04 04:11 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: Ford fails to setup proper renduncy. | May 04 04:11 |
| GoForbes28 | Fiesta, Focus, all highly rated... in Europe | May 04 04:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | and yeah, Ford doesnt do shit nearly as well as Toyota | May 04 04:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know the japanese earthquake? | May 04 04:11 |
| GoForbes28 | of course | May 04 04:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | its barely touching Toyota | May 04 04:11 |
| oiaohm | GM and Toyota both use reduncy in supply. | May 04 04:11 |
| GoForbes28 | It will my friend | May 04 04:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | and a lot of their most important parts are made in Japan. | May 04 04:12 |
| GoForbes28 | come fall, watch shortages beging | May 04 04:12 |
| GoForbes28 | Toyotas and Hondas | May 04 04:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | one of their plants was damaged in the earthquake, and another one is shut off to conserve electrical power | May 04 04:12 |
| GoForbes28 | Sad but true | May 04 04:12 |
| olorin_ | GoForbes28: Yes, those cars are quite popular and revered by the Top Gear boys as well. | May 04 04:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres only one car company that I have greater respect for | May 04 04:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | and thats Tesla. | May 04 04:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | everyone else in the whole fucking industry can suck my dick | May 04 04:12 |
| GoForbes28 | I see | May 04 04:12 |
| oiaohm | Really no Toyota core parts are also produced in factors in indonsisa | May 04 04:12 |
| GoForbes28 | ok | May 04 04:12 |
| GoForbes28 | Toyota has slipped in recent years | May 04 04:13 |
| oiaohm | So japan issue other than floor space | May 04 04:13 |
| GoForbes28 | And it's because of the U.S. business influence, sadly | May 04 04:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: yup | May 04 04:13 |
| oiaohm | Minor distribution to Toyota operations. | May 04 04:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | look at how Toyota may or may not have had a problem with their cars with the accelerator pedeals | May 04 04:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | which, btw, they were cleared of all charges, theres nothing wrong with the fucking cars | May 04 04:13 |
| GoForbes28 | That was bull | May 04 04:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | two independant US government investigations found NOTHING | May 04 04:13 |
| olorin_ | Or rather the floor maths. | May 04 04:14 |
| GoForbes28 | The floormats, fine I'll give them that | May 04 04:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | and toyotas own investigation found nothing | May 04 04:14 |
| GoForbes28 | but EM interference? LOL! | May 04 04:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the floormats issue was the fucking dealerships sometimes using the wrong ones | May 04 04:14 |
| oiaohm | Accelerator pedeals was that is was drive by wire. | May 04 04:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | which STILL doesnt cause it | May 04 04:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | so | May 04 04:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | this whole shit | May 04 04:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | there was a fucking televised congressional witchhunt | May 04 04:14 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: Ie the computer decided to acceerate not the user. | May 04 04:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: nope, they were cleared of all charges | May 04 04:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | there is zero issues with the cars | May 04 04:14 |
| GoForbes28 | indeed | May 04 04:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | its 100% user error | May 04 04:14 |
| GoForbes28 | plus, how many cases were there? | May 04 04:15 |
| GoForbes28 | 100? | May 04 04:15 |
| oiaohm | They were not cleared here. | May 04 04:15 |
| GoForbes28 | out of a million vehicles? | May 04 04:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: I dont care about there. | May 04 04:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | the problem is | May 04 04:15 |
| oiaohm | When you have a car running in a dealer ship. | May 04 04:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | toyota a "japanese" (100% american) car company is witch hunted | May 04 04:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | but | May 04 04:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | ford | May 04 04:15 |
| oiaohm | Without a driver. | May 04 04:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | regularly has huge recalls | May 04 04:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | barely rates a mention in the news | May 04 04:15 |
| olorin_ | And the Norwegian authorities, none. The funniest thing was they who claimed his car had failed, crashed two weeks later in a rental car from an unknown maker. | May 04 04:15 |
| GoForbes28 | I agree diablo | May 04 04:15 |
| GoForbes28 | have you seen the Chrysler ads now? It's a joke. | May 04 04:15 |
| oiaohm | Jump off the lift it a bit hard to say you don't have a problem Diablo-D3 | May 04 04:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | which one, the imported from detroit ad? | May 04 04:16 |
| oiaohm | That is what happened here. | May 04 04:16 |
| GoForbes28 | yeah | May 04 04:16 |
| GoForbes28 | imported from detroit | May 04 04:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats fucking bullshit | May 04 04:16 |
| oiaohm | one of the same model of toyatos with the dfected Diablo-D3 | May 04 04:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | imported from detroit my fucking two foot dick | May 04 04:16 |
| GoForbes28 | after being designed by italians and built in Canada | May 04 04:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | its fucking mexican trash | May 04 04:16 |
| oiaohm | Sationally drove off. | May 04 04:16 |
| GoForbes28 | Nah, Chrysler is Canadian | May 04 04:16 |
| GoForbes28 | Or italian | May 04 04:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | if was canadian, why are they so fucking shitty | May 04 04:16 |
| GoForbes28 | hey | May 04 04:16 |
| oiaohm | It was ment to be on a idling speed rolling road. Diablo-D3 | May 04 04:16 |
| GoForbes28 | can't change a shitty design | May 04 04:16 |
| GoForbes28 | or a poor American work ethic | May 04 04:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | the big three all compete for "worst car ever" | May 04 04:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | every year | May 04 04:17 |
| GoForbes28 | !google Dr. Demming | May 04 04:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - W. Edwards Deming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming | May 04 04:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Amazon.com: Dr. Deming: The American Who Taught the Japanese About ... | http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Deming-American-Japanese-Quality/dp/0671746219 | May 04 04:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - The W. Edwards Deming Institute: The W. Edwards Deming Institute | http://www.deming.org/ | May 04 04:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - TQM Total Quality Management | http://www.witiger.com/internationalbusiness/TQM.htm | May 04 04:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, I see ford saying "most car sold of this class" on their ads a lot | May 04 04:17 |
| GoForbes28 | read | May 04 04:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | problem is | May 04 04:17 |
| GoForbes28 | !google Dr. Demming | May 04 04:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - W. Edwards Deming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_Deming | May 04 04:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Amazon.com: Dr. Deming: The American Who Taught the Japanese About ... | http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Deming-American-Japanese-Quality/dp/0671746219 | May 04 04:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - The W. Edwards Deming Institute: The W. Edwards Deming Institute | http://www.deming.org/ | May 04 04:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - TQM Total Quality Management | http://www.witiger.com/internationalbusiness/TQM.htm | May 04 04:17 |
| oiaohm | Really I would love to see a company serouslly go out of there way to produce a car that is the worst. | May 04 04:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | none of those awards allow "foreign" car makers like toyota | May 04 04:17 |
| oiaohm | Just for kicks of course. | May 04 04:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: an india company did | May 04 04:18 |
| oiaohm | The most unsafe car the USA/what ever contry will allow on the roads. | May 04 04:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | the frame was made of plywood. | May 04 04:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | and that one hungarian one was pretty bad | May 04 04:18 |
| olorin_ | Diablo-D3: That's the same as everyone else says. "Leading in... blablabla". | May 04 04:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | olorin_: yeah, but wheres the proof | May 04 04:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | I want fucking numbers. | May 04 04:18 |
| GoForbes28 | I tell, read about Dr. Deming | May 04 04:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously, you know how shit works? | May 04 04:19 |
| GoForbes28 | You'll see why the U.S. has it all backwards | May 04 04:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you cant fuckimg impress me | May 04 04:19 |
| olorin_ | Hey, anyone remember the Chinese car who failed horribly in crash tests? | May 04 04:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | go fuck off | May 04 04:19 |
| olorin_ | which* | May 04 04:19 |
| GoForbes28 | who? | May 04 04:19 |
| oiaohm | I watch a lot of the USA hot rod shows here. | May 04 04:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | I am the hardest to impress person in the world | May 04 04:19 |
| oiaohm | And when you see them makign them. | May 04 04:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | toyota manages to periodically impress me. | May 04 04:19 |
| GoForbes28 | Dr. Deming is a pretty impressive person | May 04 04:19 |
| oiaohm | I would not be allowed to put them on the road here. | May 04 04:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: Im talking the big three | May 04 04:19 |
| GoForbes28 | yeah | May 04 04:19 |
| oiaohm | Ie no crumple zones in frame | May 04 04:19 |
| GoForbes28 | Dr. Deming tried to help Ford | May 04 04:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only thing ford has impressed me with is how many people they've murdered and gotten away with it | May 04 04:19 |
| GoForbes28 | It was too late in the 90s | May 04 04:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | like the pinto | May 04 04:19 |
| oiaohm | No impact saftly at all. | May 04 04:19 |
| GoForbes28 | 80s | May 04 04:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the firestone tires | May 04 04:20 |
| GoForbes28 | All of them exploded | May 04 04:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the exploding gas tanks in the trucks | May 04 04:20 |
| olorin_ | Diablo-D3: The Explorer incidents? | May 04 04:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | and that problem with the minivans that I cant rememeber what it was | May 04 04:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | olorin_: yeah | May 04 04:20 |
| GoForbes28 | really, all 1970's cars could explode like that | May 04 04:20 |
| GoForbes28 | ex. the thunderbird | May 04 04:20 |
| oiaohm | Even todays cars can. | May 04 04:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah but its fucking bs | May 04 04:20 |
| oiaohm | If hit the right way. | May 04 04:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | if toyota did it | May 04 04:20 |
| GoForbes28 | you are right diablo | May 04 04:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | people would be in prison | May 04 04:20 |
| GoForbes28 | just don't generalize | May 04 04:20 |
| olorin_ | Diablo-D3: It was the tire belts which was ripped clean off or something wasn't it? | May 04 04:21 |
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| GoForbes28 | the pinto was no worst than any other car at the time | May 04 04:21 |
| oiaohm | It was. | May 04 04:21 |
| oiaohm | It did not have a lined fuel tank. GoForbes28 | May 04 04:21 |
| oiaohm | Saved some money and weight. | May 04 04:21 |
| olorin_ | oiaohm: The Opel Astra did have a nasty filling cap issue... | May 04 04:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | ford does it? they get awards | May 04 04:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | olorin_: no the explorer rollover was another problem | May 04 04:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | the firestone tires would explode and flip the car usually killing people | May 04 04:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | and its ford's fault because they knew about it and didnt care | May 04 04:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean thats the thing | May 04 04:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | THEY KNEW | May 04 04:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | AND DIDNT CARE | May 04 04:21 |
| GoForbes28 | the thunderbird could just as easily explode | May 04 04:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, fuck that shit dude | May 04 04:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | fuck ford | May 04 04:22 |
| GoForbes28 | yep | May 04 04:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | if I was president at that time, I'd be fucking ford. | May 04 04:22 |
| olorin_ | Diablo-D3: AFAIK, in 60 Minutes both Ford and Firestone got the blame. | May 04 04:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | olorin_: well duh, firestone gets it | May 04 04:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | they made the fuckers | May 04 04:22 |
| GoForbes28 | if the US had embraced Dr. Deming, everthing would be different | May 04 04:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | but ford KNEW about it | May 04 04:22 |
| olorin_ | Diablo-D3: Exactly. | May 04 04:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | and conspired to make sure they kept selling them | May 04 04:22 |
| oiaohm | To be correct Firestone was not fully to blame. | May 04 04:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, thats some pretty dirty shit | May 04 04:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | and of course | May 04 04:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | firestone | May 04 04:23 |
| oiaohm | Ford had the wrong presure for tires in the car door. | May 04 04:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | was started by the ford family | May 04 04:23 |
| oiaohm | So the tires were over inflated. | May 04 04:23 |
| oiaohm | Not a good thing todo to tires. | May 04 04:23 |
| olorin_ | Either way, no one bothered to fix it. | May 04 04:23 |
| oiaohm | Reduce tire presure reduced risk of bang a lot. olorin_ | May 04 04:24 |
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| olorin_ | oiaohm: I'm pretty sure the tire belt lasts longer if you do. | May 04 04:24 |
| oiaohm | Even at the right presure there was still a defect. | May 04 04:24 |
| oiaohm | As the tired heated up it would increase in presure and risk getting to the failure point. | May 04 04:25 |
| GoForbes28 | diablo... | May 04 04:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | Harvey Firestone, who was a good friend of Henry Ford (yes that Henry Ford)... who... | May 04 04:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | later on... | May 04 04:25 |
| oiaohm | So firestone was in shit for not putting enough buffer | May 04 04:25 |
| GoForbes28 | diablo... | May 04 04:25 |
| olorin_ | They should have recalled the tires and replaced them. | May 04 04:25 |
| oiaohm | Ford was in shit for the wrong documentation on the car. | May 04 04:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | Bill Ford Jr. Great Grandson of Henry Ford and Grandson of Harvey Firestone. | May 04 04:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | Bam. | May 04 04:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: what | May 04 04:26 |
| olorin_ | There we have it. | May 04 04:26 |
| oiaohm | Infact made it rid better at the higher presure that the tire was not rated for. olorin_ | May 04 04:26 |
| olorin_ | Henry Ford, the anti semittic mass producing car manufacturer. | May 04 04:26 |
| oiaohm | Question is if ford can put the wrong presure information about tires on a car. | May 04 04:27 |
| oiaohm | What other information is wrong in the service manual. | May 04 04:27 |
| GoForbes28 | ok | May 04 04:27 |
| GoForbes28 | Just to be clear, the Pinto was a POS | May 04 04:27 |
| GoForbes28 | no doubt about it | May 04 04:27 |
| GoForbes28 | my point is to not generalize | May 04 04:27 |
| GoForbes28 | The Thunderbird, among others, was just as likely to explode | May 04 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | and henry ford | May 04 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | had factories in germany | May 04 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | during ww2 | May 04 04:28 |
| olorin_ | oiaohm: Good question. However, if Firestone received the wrong information from Ford... | May 04 04:28 |
| GoForbes28 | number 2, Diablo, had you heard of Dr. Deming until now? | May 04 04:28 |
| olorin_ | Diablo-D3: IBM Germany sold equipment used in the concentration camps. | May 04 04:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | he sued the US government when we bombed the shit out of them | May 04 04:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | he had jewish slaves working in his factories making german tank parts | May 04 04:29 |
| GoForbes28 | And coca-cola did this to with Fanta | May 04 04:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | and he sued the US government | May 04 04:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | and | May 04 04:29 |
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| Diablo-D3 | HE WON | May 04 04:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | the fucker actually won | May 04 04:29 |
| GoForbes28 | oh no | May 04 04:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | we had to pay HIM for making german tanks | May 04 04:29 |
| GoForbes28 | Ender's here | May 04 04:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, you wanna get antisemetic? thats pretty fucking antisemetic | May 04 04:29 |
| olorin_ | GoForbes28: Good point. They did that because Germans disliked the taste of Coca Cola. | May 04 04:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, you had ford parts roaring down the battlefield ON BOTH SIDES | May 04 04:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats some pretty fucked up shit dude | May 04 04:30 |
| olorin_ | Diablo-D3: Nope, that's business. | May 04 04:30 |
| GoForbes28 | olorin_: Actually, it's because they couldn't sell coke during the war, so they made a new flavour to make profits in germany | May 04 04:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | and btw re IBM | May 04 04:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, they sold calculators | May 04 04:31 |
| olorin_ | GoForbes28: Ok, I'm a bit rusty. | May 04 04:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | normal everyday calculators | May 04 04:31 |
| DaemonFC | Choke a Cola, stinky drink, pour it down the kitchen sink...smells like vinegar tastes like ink...... | May 04 04:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not like they sold some sort of special jew finding rod or something | May 04 04:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | IBM, a largely jewish company | May 04 04:31 |
| GoForbes28 | Hey diablo, you still haven't answered my question | May 04 04:31 |
| olorin_ | Diablo-D3: Punch card operated computers as well. | May 04 04:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyone who tries to say IBM helped Hitler is antisemetic by default | May 04 04:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: I said Ive never heard of him | May 04 04:31 |
| GoForbes28 | read up, it's very fascinating | May 04 04:32 |
| GoForbes28 | he was preaching higher quality to increase demand, etc. and the U.S. thumbed their noses at him | May 04 04:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the guys a genuis | May 04 04:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | because thats how any successful company now runs | May 04 04:32 |
| GoForbes28 | so he went to Japan, taught them his methods, and the rest is history | May 04 04:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only way to win is to beat your competitor with a superior product | May 04 04:33 |
| GoForbes28 | yep | May 04 04:33 |
| GoForbes28 | for example | May 04 04:33 |
| olorin_ | True. | May 04 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | IBM did try to help Hitler, but AIX came a few decades late | May 04 04:33 |
| DaemonFC | *rimshot* | May 04 04:33 |
| GoForbes28 | the American approach is to build within tolerance | May 04 04:33 |
| GoForbes28 | The Japanese approach is to tighten that tolerance | May 04 04:33 |
| GoForbes28 | Make it better | May 04 04:34 |
| GoForbes28 | even just a little | May 04 04:34 |
| olorin_ | And the Chinese approach? | May 04 04:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | the japanese approach is to ignore the tolerance and set the bar higher. | May 04 04:34 |
| GoForbes28 | Have American corps hire you for cheap labour | May 04 04:34 |
| GoForbes28 | Exactly | May 04 04:34 |
| olorin_ | Hehe | May 04 04:34 |
| GoForbes28 | All thanks to Dr. Deming | May 04 04:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you can build the product, the bars too low | May 04 04:34 |
| GoForbes28 | who was too smart for the US car industry | May 04 04:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | sigh | May 04 04:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know what | May 04 04:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | fuck the whole planet | May 04 04:35 |
| GoForbes28 | I assume you all have heard the latest Foxconn horror story right? | May 04 04:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | how many people are dead now? | May 04 04:35 |
| GoForbes28 | It's worst than death | May 04 04:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | ye gods, they're hiring zombies now? | May 04 04:36 |
| GoForbes28 | Apple's Chinese workers treated 'inhumanely, like machines' | May 04 04:36 |
| GoForbes28 | Investigation finds evidence of draconian rules and excessive overtime to meet western demand for iPhones and iPads | May 04 04:36 |
| GoForbes28 | May 04 04:36 | |
| GoForbes28 | Apple iPads on sale in London: in China, half a million workers paid about 65p an hour can exceed the 60-hour week limit to cope with demand. Photograph: John Stillwell/PA | May 04 04:36 |
| GoForbes28 | An investigation into the conditions of Chinese workers has revealed the shocking human cost of producing the must-have Apple iPhones and iPads that are now ubiquitous in the west. | May 04 04:36 |
| GoForbes28 | The research, carried out by two NGOs, has revealed disturbing allegations of excessive working hours and draconian workplace rules at two major plants in southern China. It has also uncovered an "anti-suicide" pledge that workers at the two plants have been urged to sign, after a series of employee deaths last year. | May 04 04:36 |
| GoForbes28 | The investigation gives a detailed picture of life for the 500,000 workers at the Shenzhen and Chengdu factories owned by Foxconn, which produces millions of Apple products each year. The report accuses Foxconn of treating workers "inhumanely, like machines". | May 04 04:36 |
| GoForbes28 | Among the allegations made by workers interviewed by the NGOs ? the Centre for Research on Multinational Corporations and Students & Scholars Against Corporate Misbehaviour (Sacom) ? are claims that: | May 04 04:36 |
| GoForbes28 | ? Excessive overtime is routine, despite a legal limit of 36 hours a month. One payslip, seen by the Observer, indicated that the worker had performed 98 hours of overtime in a month. | May 04 04:36 |
| GoForbes28 | ? Workers attempting to meet the huge demand for the first iPad were sometimes pressured to take only one day off in 13. | May 04 04:36 |
| GoForbes28 | ? In some factories badly performing workers are required to be publicly humiliated in front of colleagues. | May 04 04:36 |
| GoForbes28 | ? Crowded workers' dormitories can sleep up to 24 and are subject to strict rules. One worker told the NGO investigators that he was forced to sign a "confession letter" after illicitly using a hairdryer. In the letter he wrote: "It is my fault. I will never blow my hair inside my room. I have done something wrong. I will never do it again." | May 04 04:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | flood much. | May 04 04:36 |
| GoForbes28 | ? In the wake of a spate of suicides at Foxconn factories last summer, workers were asked to sign a statement promising not to kill themselves and pledging to "treasure their lives". | May 04 04:37 |
| GoForbes28 | Foxconn produced its first iPad at Chengdu last November and expects to produce 100m a year by 2013. Last year Apple sold more than 15m iPads worldwide and has already sold close to five million this year. | May 04 04:37 |
| GoForbes28 | When the allegations were put to Foxconn by the Observer, manager Louis Woo confirmed that workers sometimes worked more than the statutory overtime limit to meet demand from western consumers, but claimed that all the extra hours were voluntary. Workers claim that, if they turn down excessive demands for overtime, they will be forced to rely on their basic wage: workers in Chengdu are paid only 1,350 yuan (£125) a month for a b | May 04 04:37 |
| GoForbes28 | week, equivalent to about 65p an hour. | May 04 04:37 |
| GoForbes28 | Asked about the suicides that have led to anti-suicide netting being fitted beneath the windows of workers' dormitories, Woo said: "Suicides were not connected to bad working conditions. There was a copy effect. If one commits suicide, then others will follow." | May 04 04:37 |
| GoForbes28 | In a statement, Apple said: "Apple is committed to ensuring the highest standards of social responsibility throughout our supply base. Apple requires suppliers to commit to our comprehensive supplier code of conduct as a condition of their contracts with us. We drive compliance with the code through a rigorous monitoring programme, including factory audits, corrective action plans and verification measures." | May 04 04:37 |
| GoForbes28 | ? This story was amended on 1 May 2011 to correct the name of The Centre for Research on Multinational Corporations | May 04 04:37 |
| GoForbes28 | I couldn't summarize this and give it justice | May 04 04:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, Im aware of it | May 04 04:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | and you know what | May 04 04:37 |
| GoForbes28 | amazing | May 04 04:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | if I was president, I'd stop the importing of chinese goods | May 04 04:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | and guess what | May 04 04:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'd have the authority to do it | May 04 04:37 |
| GoForbes28 | Nah, don't outlaw | May 04 04:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | using existing US and International laws. | May 04 04:37 |
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| GoForbes28 | Just tax | May 04 04:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | not outlaw, Im not congress | May 04 04:38 |
| GoForbes28 | I know | May 04 04:38 |
| GoForbes28 | Taxing is easier | May 04 04:38 |
| GoForbes28 | and you earn revenue! | May 04 04:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | but one executive order could stop it. | May 04 04:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | and congress couldnt do shit | May 04 04:38 |
| GoForbes28 | Don't forget the underground markets though | May 04 04:38 |
| GoForbes28 | Outlawing often just doesn't work | May 04 04:38 |
| olorin_ | And if you boycott their products, no more economical aid from the China for the USA. | May 04 04:39 |
| GoForbes28 | Taxing does | May 04 04:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | the shit leaking in on the sides, doesnt matter | May 04 04:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | one giant kick to China's economy would collapse the country | May 04 04:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | they'd be forced to fight for their freedom as a new democratic nation | May 04 04:39 |
| GoForbes28 | Spoken like a true american | May 04 04:39 |
| *Diablo-D3 shrugs | May 04 04:40 | |
| GoForbes28 | I dunno | May 04 04:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | you cant help them unless they're forced to help themselves | May 04 04:40 |
| olorin_ | Problem is that a ligther kick would take down the US. :-p | May 04 04:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | I could pressure china all I want | May 04 04:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | it wouldnt do shit | May 04 04:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, you know what | May 04 04:40 |
| GoForbes28 | If China could fix their system, who would be us to argue? | May 04 04:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | slavery ended, right? | May 04 04:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | all we did was outsource the slave ownership to china | May 04 04:40 |
| GoForbes28 | yep | May 04 04:40 |
| GoForbes28 | and when they get too expensive, on to the next country | May 04 04:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | and if I was president, I _would_ have full authority to act on that. | May 04 04:41 |
| GoForbes28 | and the next country | May 04 04:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | as americans, we're better than that | May 04 04:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont care if I have to drag my fellow americans kicking and screaming into the future, this is where we're going | May 04 04:41 |
| olorin_ | Well, I wouldn't want to be Chinese. Being shot without a trial, being shot for stealing gas (petrol)... | May 04 04:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | olorin_: being shot for thinking | May 04 04:42 |
| GoForbes28 | China is a country of extremes for sure | May 04 04:42 |
| olorin_ | Diablo-D3: Yep. | May 04 04:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | 1984 happened | May 04 04:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | its in china | May 04 04:42 |
| olorin_ | I think it's pretty much of it in the west as well. | May 04 04:42 |
| GoForbes28 | You know that they are remaking Red Dawn with China as the antagonist? | May 04 04:42 |
| GoForbes28 | That's really silly | May 04 04:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats really dumb | May 04 04:43 |
| GoForbes28 | yeah | May 04 04:43 |
| GoForbes28 | shows how starved hollywood is | May 04 04:43 |
| olorin_ | What else is new. | May 04 04:43 |
| GoForbes28 | Star Wreck: In the Pirkinning was a billions times more original | May 04 04:43 |
| olorin_ | I bet they can screw up the Conan remake badly. | May 04 04:44 |
| GoForbes28 | Conan remake? | May 04 04:44 |
| GoForbes28 | Oh brother | May 04 04:44 |
| olorin_ | GoForbes28: Excellent movie, along with the short ones and can't wait for Iron Sky. | May 04 04:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | what, seriously? | May 04 04:44 |
| olorin_ | Diablo-D3: Yes. | May 04 04:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | get to the choppah. | May 04 04:44 |
| GoForbes28 | I have the NA imperial edition on DVD | May 04 04:44 |
| GoForbes28 | It sucks because the distributor makes it a sparse package | May 04 04:45 |
| olorin_ | Conan The Barbarian, not Conan O'Brien. | May 04 04:45 |
| GoForbes28 | the movie's still great though :) | May 04 04:45 |
| GoForbes28 | olorin_ y yeah I know :P | May 04 04:45 |
| GoForbes28 | though a movie about conan o'brien would be more interesting | May 04 04:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | his adventures in india | May 04 04:46 |
| olorin_ | :-p | May 04 04:46 |
| GoForbes28 | heck, if they showed the Top Gear 3 wise men special in theatres, that would be more interesting | May 04 04:46 |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo-D3: You don't like Star Wreck? | May 04 04:46 |
| olorin_ | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0816462/ | May 04 04:47 |
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| olorin_ | Diablo-D3: What's not to love with Star Wreck? | May 04 04:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | wait, what? | May 04 04:47 |
| GoForbes28 | hollywood and Microsoft should form a partnership | May 04 04:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | I didnt say anything against that | May 04 04:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | in the perkinning was awesome | May 04 04:47 |
| GoForbes28 | FUKOVVV! | May 04 04:48 |
| olorin_ | GoForbes28: Hollywood movies already suck enough, | May 04 04:48 |
| GoForbes28 | I know | May 04 04:48 |
| GoForbes28 | it's a match made in heaven | May 04 04:48 |
| GoForbes28 | and hollywood will learn how to "patent" movie ideas | May 04 04:48 |
| GoForbes28 | and not make actual movies | May 04 04:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | “In God we trust; all others must bring data." | May 04 04:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | fuck that dude | May 04 04:48 |
| GoForbes28 | kind of a plus :) | May 04 04:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | “In God we trust; all others must pay in cash" | May 04 04:49 |
| olorin_ | Both are pretty good at recycling other peoples ideas. | May 04 04:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats how it works | May 04 04:49 |
| olorin_ | Diablo-D3: Would that be the motto of RIAA/MPAA and MPEG LA? | May 04 04:49 |
| GoForbes28 | I find it simpler to call them MAFIAA | May 04 04:49 |
| GoForbes28 | or CMAFIAA in canada | May 04 04:50 |
| olorin_ | Much more organized. | May 04 04:50 |
| GoForbes28 | I mean really, how are they different | May 04 04:50 |
| GoForbes28 | their arguements are identical | May 04 04:50 |
| GoForbes28 | their goals are identical | May 04 04:50 |
| GoForbes28 | their motives are identical | May 04 04:50 |
| olorin_ | Well, they don't give you concrete shoes, yet. | May 04 04:50 |
| GoForbes28 | their lobbying is identical | May 04 04:51 |
| GoForbes28 | their misrepresentation is identical | May 04 04:51 |
| olorin_ | Protection money. Yeah, I see the analogy. | May 04 04:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | I just call them a bag of dicks | May 04 04:51 |
| GoForbes28 | that works too :P | May 04 04:51 |
| GoForbes28 | Anyway, what were we talking about before? | May 04 04:52 |
| GoForbes28 | Ah yes, Debian mixed | May 04 04:52 |
| GoForbes28 | :P | May 04 04:52 |
| olorin_ | Yep. | May 04 04:52 |
| olorin_ | And some other distro's. | May 04 04:52 |
| olorin_ | This box should be running a clean version of Lenny. | May 04 04:53 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: so Debian all-mixed is more worthwhile than Debian testing/sid mix? | May 04 04:53 |
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| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: No real benefit to installing just Testing and update from there? | May 04 04:54 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: Note my machine has been installed for over 10 years | May 04 04:55 |
| GoForbes28 | I love reliability | May 04 04:55 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: so I have a some old stuff I have not bothered updating. | May 04 04:55 |
| GoForbes28 | you have sold me, my friend | May 04 04:55 |
| GoForbes28 | Is it a pc you are running or a portable? | May 04 04:55 |
| oiaohm | PC | May 04 04:55 |
| GoForbes28 | hmm | May 04 04:55 |
| oiaohm | this installs have been on many PC's in its life time. | May 04 04:55 |
| oiaohm | I don't treat debian what you call nice. | May 04 04:56 |
| GoForbes28 | have you ever tried this on a standard laptop? | May 04 04:56 |
| oiaohm | Was for a while. | May 04 04:56 |
| oiaohm | About 2 years back. | May 04 04:56 |
| GoForbes28 | no problems using stable old packages with much newer hardware? | May 04 04:56 |
| oiaohm | Yes I serousallly just master image from machine to machine. | May 04 04:56 |
| oiaohm | Most hardware stuff is done by the kernel you have. | May 04 04:57 |
| GoForbes28 | gotcha | May 04 04:57 |
| oiaohm | I am not say at times to make stuff fully function you don't have to get rid of some stable bits. | May 04 04:57 |
| oiaohm | And take some testing. | May 04 04:57 |
| GoForbes28 | Well, I'll test mixed in VirtualBox, then when I format I'll likely use it, or wuss out and use Testing | May 04 04:57 |
| oiaohm | Instead. | May 04 04:57 |
| oiaohm | Testing + sid most likely more suitable for new install. | May 04 04:58 |
| oiaohm | Since in time that will most likely grow like mine. | May 04 04:58 |
| oiaohm | Into a stable testing and sid. | May 04 04:58 |
| GoForbes28 | I guess, since testing is just stable in waiting | May 04 04:58 |
| oiaohm | I did start off 10 years ago on testing. | May 04 04:58 |
| GoForbes28 | and it evolved to the mix you have today? | May 04 04:59 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | May 04 04:59 |
| GoForbes28 | ok, so summarizing | May 04 04:59 |
| GoForbes28 | start high, end in the medium | May 04 04:59 |
| GoForbes28 | Start with testing/sid | May 04 04:59 |
| GoForbes28 | which will become stable/testing | May 04 05:00 |
| GoForbes28 | or simply stable | May 04 05:00 |
| GoForbes28 | question | May 04 05:00 |
| oiaohm | testing packages eventinally get moved to stable. | May 04 05:00 |
| oiaohm | when a stable release gets done. | May 04 05:00 |
| oiaohm | So from there you grow a pack of stable. | May 04 05:00 |
| GoForbes28 | how do you deal with a scenario where for example. the kernel is updated in testing, and the kernel update you want are in stable? | May 04 05:01 |
| olorin_ | oiaohm: Pinning? | May 04 05:01 |
| GoForbes28 | How do you make Debian know that you want to use the Stable respository to update your formally testing kernel? | May 04 05:01 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: You normally hope that does not happen. | May 04 05:01 |
| oiaohm | 1 of the limitations of debian packages | May 04 05:01 |
| oiaohm | is that you are only allowed 1. | May 04 05:02 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: yes pinning. | May 04 05:02 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: the release name it self does not change. | May 04 05:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | stable? updating? | May 04 05:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | what? | May 04 05:02 |
| oiaohm | stable is not a release name. | May 04 05:02 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: I see | May 04 05:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @leorockway all those people pushing for Adobe CS in !GNU/!Linux are going to buy a license, I presume? Why not donate to !gimp and ! ... | May 04 05:02 | |
| Diablo-D3 | stable distros are never updated. period. | May 04 05:02 |
| GoForbes28 | so Testing Wheezy would be the same as Stable Wheezy | May 04 05:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're frozen in stone for a reason | May 04 05:03 |
| GoForbes28 | no diablo-D3 | May 04 05:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | everyone elses stable trees? debian calls that testing. | May 04 05:03 |
| oiaohm | GoForbes28: exactly. | May 04 05:03 |
| GoForbes28 | they receive updates, mostly in security but sometimes in usability | May 04 05:03 |
| olorin_ | When it's adopted as the new Stable. | May 04 05:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: not in the main distro | May 04 05:03 |
| oiaohm | And that is why you grow a stable. GoForbes28 | May 04 05:03 |
| GoForbes28 | oiaohm: What about Sid then? | May 04 05:03 |
| GoForbes28 | Sid is always Sid | May 04 05:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | sid is not a distro | May 04 05:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | sid is short for still in development | May 04 05:03 |
| *Diablo-D3 has ran debian for over a decade, btw | May 04 05:04 | |
| GoForbes28 | ok | May 04 05:04 |
| olorin_ | The evil kid in Toy Story. | May 04 05:04 |
| GoForbes28 | lol | May 04 05:04 |
| oiaohm | Sid is the pure bleeding edge. | May 04 05:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | olorin_: nope | May 04 05:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | its just by chance thats sid | May 04 05:04 |
| GoForbes28 | yes | May 04 05:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | it wasnt meant to be a toy story reference even though that works so well | May 04 05:04 |
| GoForbes28 | all debian releases are named after toy story characters | May 04 05:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | see above | May 04 05:04 |
| olorin_ | Diablo-D3: Bruce Perenz came from Pixar didn't he? | May 04 05:04 |
| oiaohm | yet peiple do run pure sid installs. | May 04 05:04 |
| GoForbes28 | interesting | May 04 05:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | I run pure sid. | May 04 05:04 |
| GoForbes28 | Aptosid | May 04 05:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyhow, it started like this | May 04 05:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | you had stable, you had unstable | May 04 05:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | releases were promoted from unstable to stable | May 04 05:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | but that whole setup sucks dick | May 04 05:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | you cant form your release up if its unstable | May 04 05:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | so they added a third stage, testing | May 04 05:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | so stable is set it stone and perminent | May 04 05:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | testing is whats going to be the next stable | May 04 05:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | and unstable is now just sid, the eternal release that will never happen | May 04 05:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | package versions considered stable enough are promoted to the current testing | May 04 05:06 |
| GoForbes28 | and experimental is beyond that | May 04 05:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | sid never stops being si | May 04 05:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | *sid | May 04 05:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | experimental is not a distro | May 04 05:06 |
| GoForbes28 | I know | May 04 05:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a repo that is incomplete and contains packages ready for testing, but not use | May 04 05:06 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: Only one day sid becomes a release is the day debian dies. | May 04 05:06 |
| GoForbes28 | I only mean repositories | May 04 05:06 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: a day whe hope never happens. | May 04 05:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: it cant | May 04 05:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | sid is essentially an unrelease | May 04 05:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | it continually rolls forever | May 04 05:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | and throws packages at testing for future release | May 04 05:07 |
| olorin_ | The cauldron where it all happens. | May 04 05:07 |
| oiaohm | continually rolls unless debian stops. | May 04 05:07 |
| oiaohm | But odds of debian stopping | May 04 05:07 |
| oiaohm | low. | May 04 05:07 |
| GoForbes28 | So, if I install XFCE 4.8 from sid, will it eventually stop updating fromt he SID repo and through a more stable repo? | May 04 05:07 |
| olorin_ | Nill. | May 04 05:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: no | May 04 05:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: if you install xfce in sid, you keep getting xfce in sid | May 04 05:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | you dont install xfce 4.8, you install xfce | May 04 05:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | debian doesnt work that way | May 04 05:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | I installed xfce when like 4.4 was new | May 04 05:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im on 4.8 | May 04 05:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | I didnt reinstall anything. | May 04 05:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: now, as a side effect of the system | May 04 05:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you name your repos using a name | May 04 05:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | you keep that name forever | May 04 05:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, potato | May 04 05:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | it goes from testing to stable to dead | May 04 05:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | your system never updates to the next version | May 04 05:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you set it to, say, stable | May 04 05:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | it massively updates every other year or whatever | May 04 05:09 |
| olorin_ | Not unless you change sources.list of course. | May 04 05:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | or testing, it constantly rolls "stable" packages from sid | May 04 05:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | olorin_: yeah | May 04 05:10 |
| GoForbes28 | ok | May 04 05:10 |
| GoForbes28 | it's starting to make more sense now | May 04 05:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | general debian users just set testing | May 04 05:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | instead of stable or a specific release name | May 04 05:10 |
| GoForbes28 | So what I want is a Testing that eventually becomes stable | May 04 05:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: no | May 04 05:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | you'd just stick with testing | May 04 05:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | so it keeps rolling through all the testing releases | May 04 05:11 |
| olorin_ | Which is probably better suited for desktop use than Stable. | May 04 05:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | like I said earlier | May 04 05:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | what other distos call stable, we call testing | May 04 05:11 |
| GoForbes28 | I understood that | May 04 05:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | stable in debian is unmoving. | May 04 05:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a static target | May 04 05:12 |
| oiaohm | debian stable would be LTS | May 04 05:12 |
| oiaohm | In other distrobutions. | May 04 05:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, even longer term than ubuntu LTS imo | May 04 05:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | ubuntu LTS still updates shit | May 04 05:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | debian stable barely gets security updates. | May 04 05:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | and you have to add the stable-security repo to get those | May 04 05:13 |
| olorin_ | Err. | May 04 05:13 |
| GoForbes28 | so, for someone like me, testing is the way to go | May 04 05:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes | May 04 05:13 |
| olorin_ | Yes. | May 04 05:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | most debian users just put testing in their repo names | May 04 05:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | not any specific distro | May 04 05:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | the fun part is, they never have to upgrade distros | May 04 05:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | it just keeps rolling | May 04 05:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | something, well, EVERY OTHER DISTRO EVER FAILS | May 04 05:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | and windows. | May 04 05:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | and osx. | May 04 05:14 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: I am kinda forced to use specific names. My near by repo that does not cost me quota does not have the symbolic link. | May 04 05:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: thats just you | May 04 05:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | you can manually change the names when time comes | May 04 05:15 |
| GoForbes28 | Aptosid does rolling release pretty well, as does Arch AFAIK | May 04 05:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: yeah but thats new shit | May 04 05:15 |
| GoForbes28 | ok | May 04 05:15 |
| oiaohm | sid has not been tested to be know to be sane. | May 04 05:15 |
| oiaohm | For some things its fine like firefox. | May 04 05:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | I installed slink stable | May 04 05:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | upgraded to potato unstable | May 04 05:16 |
| olorin_ | Pure development branch. | May 04 05:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | went to woody unstable | May 04 05:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | woody became the first testing | May 04 05:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then I went to sid | May 04 05:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | and Ive been there ever since | May 04 05:16 |
| *Diablo-D3 has literally been around forever | May 04 05:16 | |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: we have been around the same ammount of time. | May 04 05:16 |
| olorin_ | Woody > Sarge back in the days. | May 04 05:16 |
| oiaohm | Both have slightly different ways. | May 04 05:16 |
| oiaohm | Result basically the same. | May 04 05:16 |
| GoForbes28 | I'd like to ask you more questions, but the gravol's kicking in, getting tired | May 04 05:17 |
| GoForbes28 | Same place tomorrow? | May 04 05:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | if it wasnt for people like me, there'd be no debian =P | May 04 05:17 |
| olorin_ | GoForbes28: Meds? | May 04 05:17 |
| GoForbes28 | nah | May 04 05:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | and you know what, sid is still more stable than most distro's unstable branches | May 04 05:17 |
| GoForbes28 | regular over-the-counter stuff | May 04 05:17 |
| GoForbes28 | just had some nausea | May 04 05:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: go to bed before you pass out | May 04 05:17 |
| olorin_ | Diablo-D3: Hey, Rene is pretty handy for Debian as well. | May 04 05:17 |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo-D3 I know that :) | May 04 05:17 |
| olorin_ | GoForbes28: I second that. | May 04 05:17 |
| GoForbes28 | wialll askkk morea about IAeihr THUNK | May 04 05:18 |
| olorin_ | Right. | May 04 05:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | lol | May 04 05:18 |
| GoForbes28 | It's ok guys, I know what I'm doing | May 04 05:18 |
| GoForbes28 | I know the side-effects | May 04 05:19 |
| GoForbes28 | It's kind of a perverse sort of challenge, to fight the drogginess, lol | May 04 05:19 |
| olorin_ | I have don't if for hours now. | May 04 05:19 |
| GoForbes28 | To close tonight, I'd like to say I like the idea of Debian testing | May 04 05:20 |
| oiaohm | O boy I just notice I still have some packages from lenny insalled. | May 04 05:20 |
| olorin_ | Real mean stay up all night. | May 04 05:20 |
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| oiaohm | So this beast is currently. | May 04 05:20 |
| GoForbes28 | good night | May 04 05:20 |
| oiaohm | dead stable testing and sid. | May 04 05:20 |
| olorin_ | oiaohm: Great. | May 04 05:21 |
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| oiaohm | they will be gone in about 15 mins. | May 04 05:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Debian is talking about PPA .. must have | May 04 05:22 | |
| olorin_ | Solbu: I think it's time for us to upgrade again. | May 04 05:24 |
| olorin_ | oiaohm: EOL for Lenny, any idea? | May 04 05:28 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: I would have to dig it up. | May 04 05:29 |
| olorin_ | oiaohm: Solbu probably have it, but he's probably sleeping. | May 04 05:31 |
| oiaohm | Ok not offically released data yet. | May 04 05:31 |
| oiaohm | Normally 12 to 18 months after the next release. | May 04 05:31 |
| oiaohm | So not quite dead yet but heading that way. | May 04 05:31 |
| oiaohm | Always like to have that stuff cleared out. | May 04 05:32 |
| olorin_ | I should probably install Squeeze in VirtualBox and try it out. | May 04 05:32 |
| olorin_ | Looks like I'm covered regarding the datbase dumps etc. | May 04 05:36 |
| oiaohm | olorin_: so you still on lenny? | May 04 05:36 |
| olorin_ | oiaohm: Apparently. | May 04 05:36 |
| oiaohm | Ok you are kinda due for an upgrade. | May 04 05:37 |
| olorin_ | Yeah, I think I'm gonna call Solbu when he wakes up. | May 04 05:37 |
| olorin_ | We obviously have to schedule the downtime. | May 04 05:38 |
| oiaohm | Really should fit into normal downtime. | May 04 05:40 |
| oiaohm | Debian works very well as rolling updates between releases. | May 04 05:40 |
| oiaohm | Reason I like debian on servers. | May 04 05:40 |
| oiaohm | As long as I don't let complete EOL sneak up on me. | May 04 05:41 |
| oiaohm | I don't have my servers down for upgrading reasons. | May 04 05:41 |
| olorin_ | Crap, I just messed up the Drupal install. | May 04 05:45 |
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| olorin_ | Ok, you asked for it... | May 04 05:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] BEN'S PRISON BLOG: May Day http://is.gd/FO4I2N | May 04 05:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana Want to come on the show with a counter-perspective? :) !lo | May 04 06:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Friends Of JACK http://is.gd/egI5b2 #audio #video #software #linux #gnu #microsoft #windows #production #dj #sound | May 04 06:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] I think, ramdev baba is the one who was predicted by nostradamus. He will surely become President. | May 04 06:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Xubuntu 11.04 (for #old computers) http://is.gd/QLxlKY #gnu #linux #software #ubuntu #xubuntu #microsoft #windows | May 04 06:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Administration's initial misstatements raise questions - CNN.com http://ur1.ca/42uhv | May 04 06:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Morning !identiverse | May 04 06:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Looking forward to !barca manu !football | May 04 06:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] TBH I had it up to here with Americans preaching democracy and justice but denying people basic human rights at the same time. Hypocrites! | May 04 06:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Your "land of the free" is a bunch of horseshit. Go deal with your own problems on your own soil and bring your fucking soldiers home. | May 04 07:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Tableta Motorola XOOM în România http://is.gd/nrKD8P #motorola #xoom #mobile #romania #android #linux | May 04 07:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] And you are awesome! ♻ @lorddrachenblut @fabsh there are plenty of americans who agree | May 04 07:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] We need more David Rovics in the world. | May 04 07:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @joshix Don't let the door hit you in the ass on your way out. I don't want assprints on my new door! | May 04 07:12 | |
| DaemonFC | don't let the door hit you where the good lord split you | May 04 07:16 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: N900 Homescreen widget for cuteTube-QML: http://My-Maemo.com/?p=7231 #N900 #Maemo | May 04 07:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: Symbian Anna icon pack for the N900: http://My-Maemo.com/?p=7229 #N900 #Maemo | May 04 07:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: Squeezster - use your N900 as a remote control for Squeezebox music systems: http://My-Maemo.com/?p=7230 #N900 #Maemo | May 04 07:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: Multimedia Pack - Ogg/Vorbis/FLAC support for the N900: http://my-maemo.com/software/ #N900 #Maemo | May 04 07:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @khertan: #KhtEditor 1.0.4 uploaded to the #Maemo autobuilder. Should be available soon in extras devel repository. #N900 | May 04 07:39 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] This "low on space" Msg from my #HTC #desire is P me off. #fail | May 04 07:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] No Punishment For Bogus DMCA Notices If Service Provider Doesn't Take Down The Content - http://bit.ly/jbMScM bizarre case #copyright #sl | May 04 07:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @juancarlospaco !Ubuntu idea http://ur1.ca/42uh1 | May 04 07:59 | |
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| DaemonFC | Can Ubuntu finally give Windows a run for its money? Sure, if you count desktop shell crashes per hour compared to Windows Vista. Jesus Christ! :P | May 04 08:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Nyhetsfolk kan inte bestämma sig om de vill uttala namnet som Möller eller Muller. Ska det vara så svårt att säga Müller? Eller åtm Myller. | May 04 08:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Open Source Applications for Math Teachers - http://bit.ly/jIBZD4 an intellectual marriage made in heaven #maths #opensource | May 04 08:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Oops. Killen heter faktiskt Victor Muller. Men så säg det då, med tyskt/nederländskt "u", istället för att låta så tveksam. | May 04 08:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Cheerleader must compensate school that told her to clap 'rapist' - http://ind.pn/igGxng shameful stuff (v @AlexiMostrous @guyadams) #us | May 04 08:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @arnebab: Osama defeated Obama: We’re the stronger terrorists now. ideals die in the hands of leaders who throw away law for power | May 04 08:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @glynmoody Open Source Applications for Math Teachers - http://bit.ly/jIBZD4 an intellectual marriage made in heaven #maths #opensource | May 04 08:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/05/anatomy-of-a-fake-quotation/238257/ Interesting story of how memes emerge and propagate. | May 04 08:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] You know it already, but that's one reason I stopped buying #Apple, a fight you can't win: http://ur1.ca/084yd | May 04 08:31 | |
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| schestowitz | [04:19] <Diablo-D3> go fuck off | May 04 08:37 |
| schestowitz | WTH? | May 04 08:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Oh, so *that's* what we celebrate on Walpurgis Night! http://www.boingboing.net/2011/04/30/worldwideweb-18-year.html | May 04 08:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] today is the day to wake up, Neo, for it's not a DReaM, it's a nightmare! http://ur1.ca/42n3d !dbd | May 04 08:51 | |
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| MadRobot | hi all. | May 04 08:51 |
| MadRobot | Anyone else tried the new Ubuntu? | May 04 08:51 |
| MadRobot | It sucks like HELL. | May 04 08:51 |
| schestowitz | Heh. Does it? | May 04 08:52 |
| Aondo | do you mean the interface? | May 04 08:52 |
| schestowitz | Try Kubuntu then | May 04 08:52 |
| schestowitz | 4.6 | May 04 08:52 |
| Aondo | i like some of the things in the new interface, specially the way to save pixel space | May 04 08:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] !dfn Singularity, the: n. Hypothetical event where technology becomes so advanced that clearing a cheque takes longer than recorded history. | May 04 08:52 | |
| Aondo | but dislike others | May 04 08:52 |
| schestowitz | yesterday's interview we did with jono bacon spent over half an hour talking just about unity | May 04 08:53 |
| Aondo | hehe | May 04 08:53 |
| MadRobot | Aondo, yes. I believe the new interface seems quite promising. But making it the default thing at this level was a huge mistake. | May 04 08:54 |
| Aondo | Atleast they try to experiment outside of the LTS releases | May 04 08:55 |
| MadRobot | Aondo, I mean seriously, I can't even install a new panel-application without using Synaptic or the Terminal?? What the hell?! :P | May 04 08:55 |
| Aondo | making anything default isnt that big of a deal, when those who knows how to change things for them self, can actually do so. and they made that pretty simple for you too | May 04 08:55 |
| Aondo | hehe | May 04 08:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] This is unbelievable. Land of the free? http://ur1.ca/42uz3 Texas - where else? | May 04 08:56 | |
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| MadRobot | Aondo, another thing. Not just the new interface sucks, but even the classic Gnome one sucks too. | May 04 08:56 |
| *schestowitz glad to have stayed with KDE for the most part. Also stayed out of KDE4 till later releases. | May 04 08:57 | |
| schestowitz | MadRobot: maybe cause the de-emphasise it | May 04 08:57 |
| schestowitz | MadRobot: IIRC you once tried kubuntu | May 04 08:57 |
| schestowitz | I can recall us talking about some KDE distro with you | May 04 08:57 |
| MadRobot | Aondo, Compiz is broken. And due to that, I can no longer use the zoom-in feature that I use quite a lot. | May 04 08:57 |
| schestowitz | MadRobot: try Fedora 15 beta maybe | May 04 08:58 |
| schestowitz | it has gnome shell | May 04 08:58 |
| schestowitz | and it ought to work with 3D using the free/libre drivers | May 04 08:58 |
| schestowitz | !google fedora 15 download | May 04 08:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Releases/Rawhide - FedoraProject | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/Rawhide | May 04 08:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Fedora Project - Get the next Fedora | http://fedoraproject.org/get-prerelease | May 04 08:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Fedora 15 Alpha release notes - FedoraProject | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_Alpha_release_notes | May 04 08:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Get the next Fedora - Fedora Project | http://www.fedora.redhat.com/get-prerelease | May 04 08:58 |
| MadRobot | schestowitz, I love Kubuntu. And that's why I can't wait until I get a new powerful PC on which I'll be using KDE as my main interface. | May 04 08:59 |
| schestowitz | otherwise, to avoid download, type in sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktop | May 04 08:59 |
| schestowitz | Or kde-desktop for more vanilla one (if they still build it) | May 04 08:59 |
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| MadRobot | schestowitz, Kubtuntu sucks on my machine. It's too damn heavy. | May 04 08:59 |
| schestowitz | MadRobot: it does not require a very powerful PC | May 04 08:59 |
| schestowitz | 1 GB of RAM is more than enough with one core | May 04 08:59 |
| MadRobot | schestowitz, really? | May 04 09:00 |
| schestowitz | 4.6 is probably lightter than early and buggy versions with plasma broken in places | May 04 09:00 |
| schestowitz | MadRobot: but it depends how much stuff you do on it | May 04 09:00 |
| schestowitz | For example, if you don't do video editing | May 04 09:00 |
| MadRobot | I see. | May 04 09:00 |
| schestowitz | My dad uses KDE4 | May 04 09:00 |
| schestowitz | And he has only 1GB or RAM or 0;.5 | May 04 09:01 |
| schestowitz | I can't remember | May 04 09:01 |
| schestowitz | I thnk 0.5 | May 04 09:01 |
| MadRobot | Well.. I'm gonna give it shot then! :) | May 04 09:01 |
| MadRobot | Thanks. :D | May 04 09:01 |
| schestowitz | install from the command line | May 04 09:01 |
| schestowitz | Than you can select kde from the menu | May 04 09:01 |
| MadRobot | yeah I usually do that. | May 04 09:01 |
| schestowitz | I did this at the lab some months back | May 04 09:01 |
| schestowitz | it worked well in 10.10 | May 04 09:01 |
| MadRobot | Yup | May 04 09:02 |
| schestowitz | You can do this in the background while you're using ubuntu gnome desktop/unity | May 04 09:02 |
| schestowitz | about 150MB | May 04 09:02 |
| schestowitz | (IIRC) | May 04 09:02 |
| schestowitz | MadRobot: heard about mono team yet? | May 04 09:02 |
| MadRobot | Actually, I also can't wait to buy a new PC because I'd like to install Arch Linux on it. | May 04 09:02 |
| schestowitz | There's some major news, they all got fired 2 days ago | May 04 09:02 |
| MadRobot | schestowitz, nope. What's that? | May 04 09:02 |
| schestowitz | maybe gnome will manage to overcome the mono infestation | May 04 09:03 |
| MadRobot | Please fill me in. | May 04 09:03 |
| schestowitz | I'm interested in seeing what de Icaza does now. It ought to show if we were right about him all along. | May 04 09:03 |
| MadRobot | Kool! | May 04 09:03 |
| MadRobot | We shall wait and see. | May 04 09:04 |
| schestowitz | This also means that all the vendetta against us will end | May 04 09:04 |
| schestowitz | All the attacks on us or most of it came from Mono boosters | May 04 09:04 |
| MadRobot | I agree. | May 04 09:04 |
| schestowitz | Inc. the people who tried to classify us as "boys" and harass each one in isolation. These were the Mono boosters. | May 04 09:04 |
| MadRobot | schestowitz, yeah. According to them, anyone who opposes M$'s dirty games is considered a "boy". | May 04 09:05 |
| MinceR | geekings | May 04 09:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @wayneborean: indeed | May 04 09:07 | |
| schestowitz | MadRobot: Well, I guess it's those "boys" who have jobs, not the Mono enthusiasts | May 04 09:09 |
| MadRobot | Exactly. | May 04 09:10 |
| MadRobot | They're probably not Mono enthusiasts as much as they are M$ kool-aide addicts. | May 04 09:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Peter Harrison Speaks About Software Patents http://is.gd/SIAnfU #swpats #monopoly #uspto #debate | May 04 09:12 | |
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| schestowitz | "I look forward to seeing what miguel de icaza does next http://is.gd/j5Fc5a #microsoft #mono" | May 04 09:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | May 04 09:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] After literature and MP3: #Baidu’s encyclopedia accused of copyright infringement in China - http://bit.ly/kmmIff #wikipedia content? | May 04 09:17 | |
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| MadRobot | btw, if we ponder it a little, we'll see that Mono hadn't brought anything new to the Gnome desktop other than the mono run-time packages. The rest is either redundant or totally unnecessary. | May 04 09:19 |
| MadRobot | E.g: Banshee is no more than a Rhythmbox clone built with mono. | May 04 09:20 |
| schestowitz | and more bugs I hear.. | May 04 09:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Apple Now Worth Almost Twice as Much as #Microsoft http://is.gd/4BBo8N #phone #wp7 #fail | May 04 09:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Apple Now Worth Almost Twice as Much as Microsoft http://is.gd/4BBo8N #swpats #google | May 04 09:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Fed up with German media having no fucking clue about anything WRT the Sony hack. Anyone can get hacked, you idiots. Security is hard. | May 04 10:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] The only reason the ARD/WDR don't get hacked is because nobody cares about them. I doubt their defenses are even close. | May 04 10:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] What a truly wonderfully done video about YOUR vote being secret. Brought a tear in my eye http://ur1.ca/42v9f #sgelection | May 04 10:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Attachmate’s Novell Strategy So Far: Kill Mono, Keep SUSE, Maybe Antitrust Against Microsoft http://is.gd/7FcJDa #Attachmate #antitrust | May 04 10:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Attachmate’s Novell Strategy So Far: Kill Mono, Keep SUSE, Maybe Antitrust Against Microsoft http://is.gd/7FcJDa #mono #suse #opensuse | May 04 10:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @dickturpin: Listening to !lo EP 202 I didn't know @fabsh was German I just thought he had a speech impediment. ;-) | May 04 10:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] How the Afghan war influenced the Canadian election http://alturl.com/w9yh9 | May 04 10:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !q "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights." - http://outl.ws/0s | May 04 10:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Good Week for !Techrights http://is.gd/GGLGGP Our most vocal critics may leave us alone now. #mono #thuggery | May 04 10:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Good Week for #Techrights http://is.gd/GGLGGP Our most vocal critics may leave us alone now. | May 04 10:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] PPI: How to reclaim your premiums http://is.gd/LKUMuk please RT | May 04 10:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #BBC execs still paid too much http://is.gd/U5BE9s but we'll see plenty of bleating about cutbacks of services & wage cuts for non-execs | May 04 10:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @gijs Germany's public administrations talking about their open source projects #LinuxTag http://ur1.ca/41odt | May 04 10:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Shooting an unarmed man somehow doesn't feel very heroic. #obl I guess we will have to wait till #WikiLeaks gives us the full report ;-) | May 04 10:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @bencnn: It's former Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak's 83rd birthday. Sic transit gloria mundi. #jan25 | May 04 10:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Comm Oettinger returns to business as usual by giving the nuclear lobby what it wants. No real review of nuclear plants in Europe. #Fail | May 04 10:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] To all mobile corps that are losing market share: MSFT will help. #nokia, #RIM just the start? | May 04 10:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Gods I need a coffee! | May 04 10:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Refreshing my Javascript knowledge and setting up #nodeJS - perfect way to kill time at airport! | May 04 10:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] If @fabsh had a dog, I bet it would look like this :D !lo http://ur1.ca/42vgo | May 04 10:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] No new blog entry on Miguel de Icazas site so far. Should come soon, I guess. What's the future of MONO? | May 04 11:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Inside the Minds of Patent Lawyers and Monopolists http://is.gd/58WVZC #swpats #monopoly !playogg | May 04 11:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Inside the Minds of Patent Lawyers and Monopolists http://is.gd/58WVZC #uspto #seattle #microsoft #motorola #android | May 04 11:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @jwildeboer To all mobile corps that are losing market share: MSFT will help. #nokia, #RIM just the start? | May 04 11:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] .@jwildeboer "help" as in euthanasia. | May 04 11:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @jwildeboer No new blog entry on Miguel de Icazas site so far. Should come soon, I guess. What's the future of MONO? | May 04 11:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] .@jwildeboer it's all in the name. Mo'? No. | May 04 11:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻@rysiek ♻ @bencnn: It's former Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak's 83rd birthday. Sic transit gloria mundi. #jan25 | May 04 11:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @thistleweb #BBC execs still paid too much http://is.gd/U5BE9s but we'll see plenty of bleating about cutbacks of services & wage cuts... | May 04 11:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 135 million downloads on 2011-05-04 10:02 UTC | May 04 11:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @glynmoody After literature and MP3: #Baidu’s encyclopedia accused of copyright infringement in China - http://bit.ly/kmmIff | May 04 11:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] RT @rms NATO assassination attempt http://ur1.ca/42vgg | May 04 11:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] @fabsh "[All human beings are born equal, free of dignity and rights]" -- MAFIAA | May 04 11:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] At last I managed to set my computer clock to !UTC through Gnome/Ubuntu clock setting. | May 04 11:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] At last I managed to set my computer clock to !UTC through Gnome/Ubuntu clock setting. | May 04 11:51 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdPdNGTSkRE | May 04 12:03 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Ha! Gnome Shell has stopped killing my CPU and melting my ThinkPad! Thank you, !Fedora devs! :D | May 04 12:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @richslxh If @fabsh had a dog, I bet it would look like this :D !lo http://ur1.ca/42vgo | May 04 12:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh LOL! :D | May 04 12:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Nice to see that many people on identica seem to agree that Human Rights aren't optional. You people rock! Stay steadfast! | May 04 12:14 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Jack Straw is concerned that #EU law not recognising stem cell research patents will affect the outlook for British companies. #PMQ | May 04 12:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] At work. While I patch cables I'm planning the next step for Sixgun Productions. | May 04 12:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've decided to scrap the Django project and setup a new D7 site with workflows that will house all the shows at sixgun.org. | May 04 12:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] This should also give me the infrastructure to get the other shows out faster, like Rant o' Fab & Kuhn | May 04 12:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Alberta pipeline leak largest since 1975 http://ur1.ca/42vt2 | May 04 12:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Lebanon's PM designate says Hezbollah a 'tumor'. http://is.gd/1XoQX6 | May 04 12:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] The World's Smallest Video Camera - Slashdot http://ur1.ca/42vt3 | May 04 12:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @alek @thornet: <3 RT @brainpicker Lo-fi genius! Handmade visualization toolkit by Bogota-based designer @joseduarteq http://j.mp/iTr9M2 | May 04 12:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Bed blocking being discussed again.. decade after decade. #PMQ | May 04 12:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Checked in to Geneva at MUC airport. Ofcourse with the #transnational ID Card. | May 04 12:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] DFAT must not shirk the Australian public on US co-option: http://is.gd/4GkxSo | May 04 12:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] @fontana I find the lack of truly disturbing things in !disturbing to be !disturbing. | May 04 12:44 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Important cables released on Japan, Pakistan, Israel, Lebanon, Bahrain http://alturl.com/gjq3g | May 04 12:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @fabsh I guess I'd have to use #Skype ? | May 04 12:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana I'm sure we can use @bkuhn's Asterisk setup. We could also dial you on a landline. | May 04 13:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @effiejayx Debunking FUD: " !Ubuntu restricts you, !Ubuntu spies on you" http://ur1.ca/42vyl | May 04 13:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @ansol New blog post: ANSOL festeja o dia contra o DRM http://blog.softwarelivre.sapo.pt/2011/05/04/ansol-festeja-o-dia-contra-o-drm/ | May 04 13:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Keith Olberman Gets Mean to Republican Politicians - http://is.gd/mEH8m2 - tells the truth #humor #politics #effectiveness | May 04 13:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Osama bin Laden, Legendary Activist, Dead at 54: http://is.gd/virfQM #humor | May 04 13:14 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] You wouldn't think a 15 kilo dog could snore that loud. I'm tempted to hook up my electric guitar and set it on 'obliterate' | May 04 13:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @hayleycampbelly: RT @BoingBoing: Yvette Vickers co-star of "Attack of the 50 Foot Woman" found mummified in LA home http://bit.ly/lh9EvK | May 04 13:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Hilarious #satire Wal-Mart audio ad http://ur1.ca/42w1l | May 04 13:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] @fontana @bkuhn Long suspected there's nothing wrong with @schestowitz that cutting down on caffeine wouldn't fix. (Said with affection.) | May 04 13:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] caught up, mostly, with email; more immigration things completed this morning; fixed some bugs in libplasma. | May 04 13:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] next up: completing kwin shadow support for panels, iceScrum stuff. | May 04 13:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Beer n Bocadillo time #nomnom | May 04 13:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] RT @bbabel @aseigo The person who said "You can kill a man, but you can’t kill an idea” was Medgar Evers, not Evans. | May 04 13:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] and honestly, i find both such positions to be demonstrably detrimental to society. the kind of things one should speak out against. | May 04 13:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Interesting read. Scott James Remnant on #Harmony, #Canonical, #Google and #Upstart: http://outl.ws/0t !LO | May 04 13:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Also read on here: http://outl.ws/0u #Harmony !LO | May 04 13:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @tante RT @Scytale: RT @ralfheimann: Auch StudiVZ meldet Datenpanne. Fast alle 44 Nutzer sollen betroffen sein. | May 04 13:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @fontana just remembered, rather | May 04 13:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Have anybody successful made a #Linux #Live CD, with #PGP 10 Desktop Client software installed? I don't care what distribution it is | May 04 13:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @fabsh #Asterisk setup of @bkuhn in 2006/2007 contributed to disenchantment of @allisonrandal w/ !GPLv3. Adverse historical effects persist. | May 04 13:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] #Ubuntu's done a great job in recent years establishing it's reputation as the system that "just used to work, until the latest release". | May 04 13:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana LOL. Really? Anyway, I'd be happy to have you on the show finally. :) | May 04 13:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Awesome JBoss World at RH Summit keynote/demo! http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/14457992 | May 04 13:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @yamatt: Whoops! Just started a wget command that attempted to download the whole identi.ca domain. | May 04 13:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @fabsh Scott James #Remnant also has the best name of any developer in the history of !freesoftware I think | May 04 13:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] 5 similarities between collaborative consumption and open source technology | http://red.ht/kes6AS | May 04 14:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] We should have a national !identi.ca !haiku day. Every dent should be 5,7,5 syllables :) My favourite Haiku style. | May 04 14:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] got bitten by a spidermonkey, first thought it was a greasemonkey http://is.gd/q7TDKJ #bug #ajax #firefox | May 04 14:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I have just filled in my 2011 census form. | May 04 14:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @nokia: Qt SDK 1.1. graduates from beta to full release status http://nokia.ly/kXe4KR | May 04 14:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoExperts: Acer Considering Meego Tablet for the future http://mge.bz/ab #Acer #MeeGo #Tablet | May 04 14:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @qtbynokia: #Qt #Labs Blog - Qt 4.7.3 and Qt Mobility 1.1.3 have been released http://ow.ly/1ctT42 | May 04 14:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @N900_Drips: gPodder 2.15 available; QML UI plans and Diablo support http://bit.ly/jNLDfY #Nokia #N900 | May 04 14:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @qtbynokia: Qt SDK 1.1 - the video. http://ow.ly/4MOGg #qt #qtquick | May 04 14:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoExperts: Qt SDK with MeeGo 1.2 release preview – Fathi Boudra http://mge.bz/ag #Qt #SDK #Intel #Nokia #MeeGo #MeegoFI | May 04 14:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] lesson of the day - ALL mainstream parties will say ANYTHING they believe will get you to vote for them in an election http://is.gd/3TY1Lf | May 04 14:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] truth, ethics, balance & the public interest all go out the window when there's a new 4yr gravy train about to leave the station to catch | May 04 14:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Elop to leave Nokia in 2012? That must be some kind of record for most damage done to major business in shortest time. http://is.gd/7yRqjU | May 04 14:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana He sounds like he can separate into small, independent #Remnants that will kill you by overwhealming you like replicants in SG. | May 04 14:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] How One Startup Used Patents To Kill A (Better) Competitor http://is.gd/RdiTuD | May 04 14:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Many excellent points by @bkuhn on #mono developers getting laid off by Attachmate http://ur1.ca/42teb | May 04 14:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Kernel prepatch 2.6.39-rc6 http://lwn.net/Articles/441317/rss | May 04 14:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] See that !haiku group?/ @gomerx @reality / it was meant to be | May 04 14:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] @fontana He is all that is left of the original Scott James. It's related to an alpha release of the Singularity. | May 04 14:56 | |
| aleksandar | congrats to Techrights; were discussing Mono this very moment and someone mentioned all the good free software news. needless to say, your timing for the naming change was sublime. great work. | May 04 14:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] Making an effort to rededicate my life to org-mode. #gtd #churchofemacs | May 04 15:02 | |
| oiaohm | aleksandar: the damage to mono will come clear in the next few months. | May 04 15:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL. They even celebrate FAIL. ♺ @yamanickill: Loving the apple advert for the white iphone. Picture of it with the word "finally". Haha! | May 04 15:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoExperts: QML: How to not crash if QtMobility.location is not available http://mge.bz/aj #QML #QtMobility | May 04 15:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @trashbird1240 Two, right? | May 04 15:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] #Linux #kernel 2.6.39-rc6 http://bit.ly/ikXVsU "We're still chasing some stuff down [...] This isn't going to be the final -rc, but [...]" | May 04 15:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @dickturpin: I am bald / I work at Heathrow / I am runway 4 | May 04 15:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks Bahrain: Jamry calls Khawaja an opportunist who has no interest in democratic reform http://tinyurl.com/6crvysh | May 04 15:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] When I make it home, I'll need some coffee..... | May 04 15:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] FSF presents: http://www.ehow.com/how_2073616_be-monk.html | May 04 15:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Unhappy Mounties sick of being private #copyright cops - http://bit.ly/jdmVbW time for police pushback: they have better things to do | May 04 15:14 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How One Startup Used #Patents To Kill A (Better) Competitor - http://bit.ly/m1J3me yeah, just what patents are designed to do | May 04 15:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] First leaked pics of Bin Laden after being shot? or fakes: http://ur1.ca/42wqz | May 04 15:19 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Photo purporting to be a leaked photo of a dead Osama bin Laden #3 | photo-journ's newsblog by John Le Fevre .::. Size~: 23.15 KB | May 04 15:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @reality you don't speak in verse / my only diagnosis / you must be perverse | May 04 15:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] did the #US tell the truth about "how" #BinLaden died? "a coward hiding behind his wife"? They invented shit like this before #propaganda | May 04 15:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] imagine if it was a heroic end? it's in their interests to spin him as a coward, it's all part of the war, spreading #misinformation | May 04 15:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @glynmoody How One Startup Used #Patents To Kill A (Better) Competitor - http://bit.ly/m1J3me yeah, just what patents are designed to do | May 04 15:26 | |
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| GoForbes28 | hello all | May 04 15:28 |
| aleksandar | B-Laden served well in the 80s against Soviets, helped fill the balkans with his sweet men in the 90s and was the greatest pitchman for military surges of the 00s. Its a shame they used the 'the dog ate my homework' excuse as to why they dont have a body to show. | May 04 15:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Tomlinson Decision: How Far Can We Trust The Metropolitan #Police? - http://bit.ly/jRgLU7 questions that need answering | May 04 15:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: US bullying Canada over copyright places country on watch list http://alturl.com/j669q | May 04 15:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @glynmoody How One Startup Used #Patents To Kill A (Better) Competitor - http://bit.ly/m1J3me yeah, just what patents are designed to do | May 04 15:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] #Attachmate is moving swiftly to re-organize the Novell business it acquired: lays off !Mono employees http://is.gd/TUgqr5 | May 04 15:37 | |
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| GoForbes28 | Diablo-D3? | May 04 15:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana Why doesn't that surprise me? :) | May 04 15:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Systemd and ConsoleKit http://lwn.net/Articles/441328/rss | May 04 15:41 | |
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| GoForbes28 | gnufreex? | May 04 15:42 |
| GoForbes28 | cubezzz? | May 04 15:42 |
| GoForbes28 | MinceR? | May 04 15:42 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb? | May 04 15:42 |
| gnufreex | GoForbes28: Hey | May 04 15:42 |
| gnufreex | what's up? | May 04 15:42 |
| GoForbes28 | I was going to ask diablo some follow-up debian questions | May 04 15:42 |
| GoForbes28 | maybe you can answer? | May 04 15:43 |
| gnufreex | Maybe | May 04 15:43 |
| gnufreex | But I use Arch linux | May 04 15:43 |
| gnufreex | Have debian also | May 04 15:43 |
| gnufreex | installed | May 04 15:43 |
| gnufreex | shoot | May 04 15:44 |
| GoForbes28 | I tried Arch, but I'm just not dedicated enough :PP | May 04 15:44 |
| GoForbes28 | anywho | May 04 15:44 |
| GoForbes28 | So I've determined that is would be best for me to use the Testing Repos after talking to Diablo and oiaohm | May 04 15:44 |
| GoForbes28 | However, I also want to install XFCE 4.8, currently a part of Sid | May 04 15:45 |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo explained that using the XFCE packages in Sid would mean they would be forever updated by the Sid repository, ala if Xfce 4.8 became part of testing, I would still get updates only from sid from that package | May 04 15:46 |
| GoForbes28 | How can I possibly counteract that? I don't really want the unstable Xfce releases forever | May 04 15:46 |
| gnufreex | That sounds about right. | May 04 15:46 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/72642359 | May 04 15:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @George Hostler (ghostler)'s status on Wednesday, 04-May-11 11:21:16 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Interesting Attachmate is returning SuSE to Germany. M$ wore out opponent in court, did devil's deal, WordPerfect Linux no more | May 04 15:46 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: see http://identi.ca/conversation/70238943#notice-72645026 | May 04 15:46 |
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| schestowitz | they lie (Manish) | May 04 15:47 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't even know | May 04 15:47 |
| schestowitz | He was probably in secondary school when I criticised Mono (early days) | May 04 15:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | [10:38:24] <GoForbes28> Diablo-D3? | May 04 15:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Whenever I read "orgmode", I think "orgasm". Oo | May 04 15:47 | |
| Diablo-D3 | what | May 04 15:47 |
| GoForbes28 | Wordperfect for Linux hasn't existed for years... | May 04 15:47 |
| schestowitz | of course | May 04 15:48 |
| schestowitz | !google techrights corel .net deal | May 04 15:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Common Netscape/Corel attack group - Techrights | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Common_Netscape/Corel_attack_group | May 04 15:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Corel | Techrights | http://techrights.org/category/corel/ | May 04 15:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Novell — Like Corel — Becomes a Microsoft Vassal, Promotes XAML ... | http://techrights.org/2009/11/13/silverlight-xaml-novell-boost/ | May 04 15:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Bill Gates and His 'Attack Groups' | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2007/09/03/attack-group-novell-corel/ | May 04 15:48 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: The dent you posted suggests that it has just ended | May 04 15:48 |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo-D3: I was asking a follow-up question from yesterday's conversation, see the question I posed to gnufreex | May 04 15:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] The Shaft is awesome. :D | May 04 15:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Bulgarian Media: Lacking Money and Morals http://alturl.com/wzp43 | May 04 15:51 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 2011-05-04 Bulgarian Media: Lacking Money and Morals | WL Central .::. Size~: 23.04 KB | May 04 15:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Ahhhh! Coffee! Finally!! | May 04 15:52 | |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: wait two weeks or so | May 04 15:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] @wayneborean Breath-right nasel strip? ;) | May 04 15:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Deconstructing Red Hat’s OpenShift: The Q&A - http://bit.ly/ljKP6K typically clear explanation from @sogrady #cloudcomputing | May 04 15:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Still find !disturbing / @bkuhn had crush on #Yothers / noise for @andyc | May 04 15:54 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | packages, when they dont have enough bugs, automatically get promoted to testing | May 04 15:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I doubt you need any 4.8 specific features | May 04 15:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] U.S. India Business Council lobbies extensively with the Indian Govt. for increased IP protection - http://bit.ly/krOryn no, really? #india | May 04 15:56 | |
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| GoForbes28 | Diablo-D3: So wait for 4.8 to enter testing eh? Luckily I'm a patient man. :) | May 04 15:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you plan on using debian, you will be patient | May 04 15:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | debian testing doesnt get shit until it works right | May 04 15:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | sid gets shit when it works right by the definition of other, shittier, distros | May 04 15:57 |
| GoForbes28 | I love Debian, like I said, it's a Hilux pickup | May 04 15:57 |
| GoForbes28 | Dump it on an Panasonic toughbook and you have a very reliable computer | May 04 15:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] #BRAMALab also supports the Day Against DRM, too! http://ur1.ca/42x3s Spread the word! | May 04 15:59 | |
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| aleksandar | Will U be adding the videocasts to Youtube? Many people subscribe to youtube channels & it could bring more viewers who might not know Techrights. | May 04 16:00 |
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| aleksandar | Like Identica/twitter its another social media but video IS what youtube is about. | May 04 16:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] !fsfe 's May #newsletter covering competiton with 882 swpats, 367 fixed institutions, ... http://l.fsfe.org/nl201105 | May 04 16:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Can't sleep, gotta build. There's a floor that needs to be drilled. And all I wanna do is diiiiig! | May 04 16:01 | |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo-D3: Now, if I turn off the Testing repos and have only the Stable and stable security repos on, does it work? | May 04 16:01 |
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| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: define "works" | May 04 16:01 |
| GoForbes28 | ala, I'll get updates from Stable | May 04 16:02 |
| GoForbes28 | "updates" | May 04 16:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, sure | May 04 16:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | but 4.8 wont make it into stable | May 04 16:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | not until the next stable push sometime next year | May 04 16:03 |
| GoForbes28 | for a long long time | May 04 16:03 |
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| GoForbes28 | I see | May 04 16:03 |
| GoForbes28 | Who actually uses the stable repos? | May 04 16:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | people who absolutely need it | May 04 16:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Good Morning !Identiverse | May 04 16:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] UK #farmers "fundamentally anti-environment" - http://bit.ly/lu00sl should get on well with European #fishermen, then... #environment | May 04 16:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @sankarshan "How to put the GSOC experience in LinkedIn or simmilar" : http://tinyurl.com/3shh9wg | May 04 16:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] RD @graziano: #dbd action idea: tag #DRM crippled items on #Amazon with defectivebydesign #gnulinuxlibre share, blog, act now! #nodrm | May 04 16:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @glynmoody Deconstructing Red Hat’s OpenShift: The Q&A - http://bit.ly/ljKP6K typically clear explanation from @sogrady #cloudcomputing | May 04 16:04 | |
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| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: Diablo-D3 nisshh schestowitz Oh man I am crying I missed ask Mark! | May 04 16:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | who what? | May 04 16:05 |
| sebsebseb | well could have been there for the very end, but my question woudn't have been answered if I asked one then probably | May 04 16:05 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: Ask Mark Shuttleworth on IRC just now | May 04 16:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh who the fuck cares | May 04 16:05 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I find Mark so amazing, that I am really upset now | May 04 16:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'd ask him "hey mark, why the fuck do you hate FOSS" | May 04 16:05 |
| sebsebseb | Mark is my hero | May 04 16:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | and he'd be like "dude, Im rich, fuck you" | May 04 16:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | and totally sidestep the question like a douche | May 04 16:05 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: heh heh | May 04 16:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | with enemies like Mark, who needs friends >_> | May 04 16:06 |
| sebsebseb | anyway yeah I am joking about the crying part, I did want to ask why it was called Unity though, altough I got a answer from jcastro which was probably basically it anyway | May 04 16:06 |
| GoForbes28 | Mark Shuttleworth is like Steve Jobs lite | May 04 16:06 |
| GoForbes28 | Same charisma | May 04 16:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: not even | May 04 16:07 |
| GoForbes28 | Same stupid direction | May 04 16:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'd have a beer with Steve | May 04 16:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'd beat Mark with a beer bottle. | May 04 16:07 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: well yeah I guess he is really now that Ubuntu is more like Mac OS X by default since 10.04 | May 04 16:07 |
| sebsebseb | altough it's Unity I guess that mainly makesi t more like a OS X? | May 04 16:07 |
| GoForbes28 | I tried Xubuntu yesterday for kicks | May 04 16:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | Man | May 04 16:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | we have all evil dudes | May 04 16:07 |
| GoForbes28 | It crashed twice before I had finished installing it | May 04 16:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | why no evil women | May 04 16:07 |
| *Diablo-D3 would kill for an evil women | May 04 16:08 | |
| GoForbes28 | Nancy Peloski? | May 04 16:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | I said a woman, damnit! | May 04 16:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | dohohohoh | May 04 16:08 |
| GoForbes28 | Ms. Rice? | May 04 16:08 |
| GoForbes28 | Ann Coulter? | May 04 16:08 |
| MinceR | GoForbes28? | May 04 16:08 |
| GoForbes28 | All female Fox News hosts? | May 04 16:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | ann coulter is a dude goddamnit | May 04 16:08 |
| GoForbes28 | MinceR: yeah? | May 04 16:08 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: I got some sleep problems, so I could have had a rather long day, and stayed awake for Ask Mark, and then more hours as well then bed again, but nah I decicided to sleep earlier instead, went to bed not feeling tired as useual though hmm | May 04 16:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the fox news chicsk... eh.... not "evil" | May 04 16:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're just dumb | May 04 16:09 |
| GoForbes28 | MinceR: And I'm taking it you are asking me a question and not being a dick in the morning | May 04 16:09 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: oh and so right now, after just waking up about half an hour ago, well now I feel tired, that's how things go though, when like this | May 04 16:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[micu/@micu] Julian !Assange: » !Facebook in particular is the most appalling spying machine that has ever been invented. « is.gd/y7oo34 !Wikileaks !FS | May 04 16:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] British Telecom: please include freedom in your new music service http://ur1.ca/42nvw | May 04 16:09 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Open letter to BT .::. Size~: 9.75 KB | May 04 16:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | I want a smart evil chick, tall, dark hair, tits of the right size, looks good in one of those executive ceo type womens suits | May 04 16:09 |
| sebsebseb | uh why did I just send that to Diablo-D3 and not GoForbes28 ? | May 04 16:09 |
| GoForbes28 | Bill Gates' wife? | May 04 16:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know, Ive seen mrs gates | May 04 16:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | shes actually decent lookingish | May 04 16:10 |
| MinceR | GoForbes28: it was the answer to "MinceR?" :> | May 04 16:10 |
| GoForbes28 | There you go, evil | May 04 16:10 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: yeah about six hours sleep, and now I feel tired. So yeah when things are messed up, sleep can do the opposite, or uhmm yeah not quite enough of it. | May 04 16:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | meh, shes not even evil | May 04 16:10 |
| GoForbes28 | MinceR: Yeah, but look where you put that in? | May 04 16:10 |
| MinceR | lol | May 04 16:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, honestly, Ive never actually seen her do anything | May 04 16:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | she just shows up to Gates Foundation functions periodically | May 04 16:10 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: For me, gravol hasn't totally warn off yet | May 04 16:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, sure, she could be doing all the evil in the background | May 04 16:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | but | May 04 16:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | meh | May 04 16:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | does nothing for my dick. | May 04 16:11 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: gravol ? | May 04 16:11 |
| GoForbes28 | yeah, weren't you here last night? | May 04 16:11 |
| sebsebseb | uh I was around last night, but not sure what your reffering to? | May 04 16:11 |
| GoForbes28 | I said I had taken gravol for nausea | May 04 16:11 |
| sebsebseb | what's gravol. and nausea sounds familur, so I guess remind me what that is? | May 04 16:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: wikipedia dude. | May 04 16:12 |
| GoForbes28 | uhhh, really? | May 04 16:12 |
| GoForbes28 | !google gravol | May 04 16:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Dimenhydrinate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dimenhydrinate | May 04 16:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - gravol addiction >> Medical Questions, Weight Loss, Pregnancy ... | http://www.steadyhealth.com/gravol_addiction_t57232.html | May 04 16:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Side Effects of Gravol | eHow.com | http://www.ehow.com/facts_5159278_side-effects-gravol.html | May 04 16:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Gravol | http://gravol.ca/ | May 04 16:12 |
| GoForbes28 | !google nausea | May 04 16:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Nausea and Vomiting Causes, Treatment and Prevention of Nausea and ... | http://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/digestive-diseases-nausea-vomiting | May 04 16:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Nausea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nausea | May 04 16:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Nausea - Check Your Symptoms and Signs With the Symptom Checker by ... | http://www.medicinenet.com/nausea/symptoms.htm | May 04 16:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Vomiting and Nausea Causes, Symptoms, Diagnosis, and Treatment on ... | http://www.emedicinehealth.com/vomiting_and_nausea/article_em.htm | May 04 16:12 |
| GoForbes28 | !wikipedia nausea | May 04 16:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] RD @dbd Happy Day Against DRM! http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:DefectiveByDesign/Day_Against_DRM_2011 #nodrm | May 04 16:12 | |
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| GoForbes28 | nope, doesn't work | May 04 16:12 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: GoForbes28 MinceR Anyway Ask Mark is really for the Ubuntu fan boys and such, oh Mark, oh Mark, he's so amazing, he started Ubuntu, oh Ubuntu, oh Ubuntu, oh Ubuntu, WOW, so amzazing, what an amzing OS, Windows sucks, WOW Ubuntu Ubuntu so amazing, wow probably woudn't have been using Linux on the desktop if it wasn't for Ubuntu, oh Ubuntu, oh Ubuntu so amazing | May 04 16:13 |
| sebsebseb | anyway any of you seen V? | May 04 16:13 |
| sebsebseb | V that Sci Fi series, there's a re make, that's been showen here | May 04 16:13 |
| GoForbes28 | The old series or the new? | May 04 16:13 |
| *Diablo-D3 shoots sebsebseb | May 04 16:13 | |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: dude | May 04 16:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | I didnt watch the remake | May 04 16:13 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: well either I guess really for what I am going to say | May 04 16:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | I refused to | May 04 16:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | fuck that shit dude | May 04 16:13 |
| *GoForbes28 gives diablo some gravol. | May 04 16:14 | |
| sebsebseb | anyway you know how she's got bliss, and then they like all follow her and all that? | May 04 16:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | I'd totally hit that head chick though | May 04 16:14 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then some of them well the bliss wears off, they become free | May 04 16:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | THATS the kind of evil Im looking for | May 04 16:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Mono boosters who were like 15 when I started criticisng Mono still incite people against me usuing revisionist lies. Don't believe them. | May 04 16:14 | |
| sebsebseb | well Ubuntu is like that | May 04 16:14 |
| sebsebseb | really | May 04 16:14 |
| sebsebseb | people think it's so amazing, but then for quite a lot, eventually that wears off :) | May 04 16:14 |
| sebsebseb | and they change distro or whatever :) | May 04 16:15 |
| sebsebseb | and I like Jono, but really he's one of the people who keeps a lot of other people, thinking Ubuntu is so amazing | May 04 16:15 |
| MinceR | it was pretty good but it got worse :> | May 04 16:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: dude | May 04 16:16 |
| MinceR | it went from "debian stable" to "another suse" :> | May 04 16:16 |
| GoForbes28 | Fortunately, in the GNU+Linux economy, there are infinite vendors | May 04 16:16 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: What? | May 04 16:16 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: indeed :) | May 04 16:16 |
| GoForbes28 | If quality of one goes down, another pops up | May 04 16:16 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: well not infinite, but yes many, loads of choice :) | May 04 16:16 |
| GoForbes28 | I mean infinite in the time sense | May 04 16:16 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: and I think I know what the next rather popular distro may be :) | May 04 16:17 |
| GoForbes28 | For the future, there isn't a fix number of distros | May 04 16:17 |
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| GoForbes28 | Linux Mint? | May 04 16:17 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: altough as oiahomn basically said last night / this morning. got to beat Fedora in that case | May 04 16:17 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: Mint nah | May 04 16:17 |
| GoForbes28 | Debian? | May 04 16:17 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: altough for now that's pretty popular sure, with those that aern't keen on Unity | May 04 16:17 |
| sebsebseb | Debian no | May 04 16:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @rpcutts: This is all rather annoying. | May 04 16:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] Just saw @timoreilly keynote at #OCWCglobal and now the panel on MIT's decision to release OpenCourseWare | May 04 16:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] British Telecom: please include freedom in your new music service http://ur1.ca/42nvw | May 04 16:17 | |
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| GoForbes28 | Ok, is it slackware-based? | May 04 16:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | May 04 16:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude | May 04 16:18 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: also when I say the next rather popular may be. I mean in like two to four years, possibily | May 04 16:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | fedora isnt nearly as bad as it was | May 04 16:18 |
| GoForbes28 | I know | May 04 16:18 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: Mageia should be able to get more users over time :) | May 04 16:18 |
| sebsebseb | than Fedora has | May 04 16:18 |
| GoForbes28 | Mageia? | May 04 16:18 |
| GoForbes28 | haven't heard of it | May 04 16:18 |
| GoForbes28 | !google mageia | May 04 16:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Mageia - A New Linux Distribution | http://www.mageia.org/ | May 04 16:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Mageia Blog (English) | The new Linux distribution | http://blog.mageia.org/ | May 04 16:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Mageia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mageia | May 04 16:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - DistroWatch.com: Mageia | http://distrowatch.com/mageia | May 04 16:18 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: the new Mandriva fork | May 04 16:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | fuck that dude | May 04 16:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | mandriva is shit | May 04 16:18 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: no Gnome 3 untill Mageia 2 though, since it's new, and the first version will be very similar to Mandriva 2011 really, except the new branding and such, but then they start doing their own thing much more. | May 04 16:19 |
| GoForbes28 | I'm sorry, but I don't see how that's the next Ubuntu in terms of populartiy | May 04 16:19 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: Mageia will become much better than Mandriva I expect :) | May 04 16:19 |
| gnufreex | http://www.techeye.net/software/attachmate-lays-off-mono-staff "It is not clear if Miguel has been sentenced to Nuremburg... | May 04 16:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Attachmate lays off Mono staff - Open Saucers let go | TechEye .::. Size~: 23.76 KB | May 04 16:19 |
| gnufreex | LOL | May 04 16:19 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: no not the next Ubuntu, well it may be | May 04 16:19 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: I mean number 1 | May 04 16:20 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: however they have a chance at beating Fedora for the number two spot, over time, I think | May 04 16:20 |
| GoForbes28 | Yeah, like I said | May 04 16:20 |
| GoForbes28 | in terms of popularity | May 04 16:20 |
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| GoForbes28 | "I'm sorry, but I don't see how that's the next Ubuntu in terms of *popularity*." | May 04 16:20 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: I guess I wasn't clear enough above, I meant rather popular, I didn't mean most popular | May 04 16:20 |
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| GoForbes28 | doesn't number 1 donate the greatest popularity? | May 04 16:21 |
| sebsebseb | Number 1 has most users yes | May 04 16:21 |
| sebsebseb | that's Ubuntu right now | May 04 16:21 |
| GoForbes28 | most users=greatest popularity | May 04 16:21 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: also going by the amount of idiots that go into their support channels here and there, probably a good thing that Mageia doesn't become number one really :) | May 04 16:21 |
| MinceR | "number 1" without context means nothing. | May 04 16:21 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: idiots as in not very nice people in this context | May 04 16:21 |
| GoForbes28 | I need Mono, wahhh1 | May 04 16:22 |
| GoForbes28 | I believe that's an accurate demonstration. | May 04 16:22 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu is going to stay number 1 on desktop, for well many years to come it seems, unless Canonical mess it up enough | May 04 16:22 |
| sebsebseb | and no Unity doesn't quite seem to be a big enough mess up yet hmm | May 04 16:22 |
| sebsebseb | well maybe 11.10 then, when they completly remove Gnome 2 | May 04 16:22 |
| sebsebseb | and go Unity with Gnome 3 under neath | May 04 16:23 |
| GoForbes28 | so wait, unity is basically gnome? | May 04 16:23 |
| sebsebseb | with Gnome Shell as an option in the repos as well | May 04 16:23 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: no | May 04 16:23 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: Unity is an alternative interface for Gnome | May 04 16:23 |
| GoForbes28 | ah | May 04 16:23 |
| sebsebseb | with 11.04 it's Gnome 2, but starting with 11.10 it will be Gnome 3 | May 04 16:23 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: if you ever tried older Gnome Shell's like that really | May 04 16:24 |
| sebsebseb | the old Gnome Shell's go on top of Gnome 2 | May 04 16:24 |
| GoForbes28 | sort of like if I swap the Window Manager in XFCE for openbox | May 04 16:24 |
| GoForbes28 | It's still XFCE | May 04 16:24 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: well yeah I guess | May 04 16:24 |
| sebsebseb | anyway I was like to myself earlier as a kind of joke, well ok you missed Ask Mark, don't cry, your going to be contributing to another distro properly anyway :) | May 04 16:25 |
| GoForbes28 | diablo-d3: http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testing | May 04 16:26 |
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| GoForbes28 | diablo-d3: would you recommend this? | May 04 16:26 |
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| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: as for Goblin he thinks that Arch Linux distro or whatever Calabra or whatever it's called. may become really popular, uh I don't think so some how. | May 04 16:26 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: ^ | May 04 16:26 |
| sebsebseb | gnufreex: ^ | May 04 16:27 |
| GoForbes28 | daiblo-d3: Specifically adding the line deb http://security.debian.org <codename>/updates main to sources? | May 04 16:27 |
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| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: Diablo-D3 gnufreex MinceR oh and people can say what they want about Mandriva not being that good anymore or whatever, but that's actsually an advantage for Mageia to be based on a distro, that from like 1998 to 2004, was very popular indeed | May 04 16:27 |
| sebsebseb | Mandrake Mandriva whatever | May 04 16:27 |
| GoForbes28 | http://toastytech.com/guis/mdrv.html | May 04 16:28 |
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| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: /me shrugs | May 04 16:28 |
| sebsebseb | also unlike Mandriva, it seems that yes Mageia is gonig to get a chance now, to become pretty popular | May 04 16:28 |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo-D3 you have done this? | May 04 16:29 |
| sebsebseb | as for Mandriva, I think it's messed up even more really, only one release per year now, and it's yep a KDE distro really now. Gnome is only being done by the community now, and I guess XFCE as well, Not even sure if Mandriva has LXDE for example. | May 04 16:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: I use sid. | May 04 16:29 |
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| GoForbes28 | right | May 04 16:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | sid doesnt have an updates or security repo | May 04 16:29 |
| GoForbes28 | Sid is updates | May 04 16:30 |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo-D3 Why are the security repos not enable by default? | May 04 16:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | dunno | May 04 16:30 |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo-D3 If I were to have stable or testing, I would most definitely assume that I would get security updates by default | May 04 16:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] On way home.... | May 04 16:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] The killing of Osama bin Laden: how the White House changed its story http://ur1.ca/42xe8 | May 04 16:31 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The killing of Osama bin Laden: how the White House changed its story | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 121.87 KB | May 04 16:31 |
| sebsebseb | I guess Mandriva is doing something like Canonical, in the case of Mandriva going with KDE, leaving the other desktop envrionments to the community. In the case of Canonical going with Unity on top of Gnome, leaving the other desktop envrionments mainly to the communnity. I say mainly since Kubuntu apparnatly has like two Canoncal devs as well. | May 04 16:31 |
| sebsebseb | for example | May 04 16:31 |
| sebsebseb | oh yeah now I remember what I wanted to ask Mark, why they haven't accepted Lubuntu as an offical dervarative yet | May 04 16:31 |
| sebsebseb | yep the LXDE version | May 04 16:31 |
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| GoForbes28 | I have said it before and I'll say it again | May 04 16:32 |
| GoForbes28 | LXDE is very much a joke, an XFCE knockoff | May 04 16:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] !Emacs outline mode was written by a murderer: "M-x hide-body" | May 04 16:32 | |
| sebsebseb | also it sucks really, that average users, can't just like communicate with Mark here and there some times, or a few us or whatever. it seems only really Canonical employees, and sometimes Ubuntu Commmunity Members can do that. I guess that's just a side effect of a really popular distro though, but still. | May 04 16:32 |
| GoForbes28 | Now that I have that out of the way :P | May 04 16:33 |
| sebsebseb | at least with Mageia for now anyway, many of the developers/founders are still on IRC :) and something tells me, that they will be for a long time yet around on there so :) | May 04 16:33 |
| sebsebseb | and of course on the forum, and mailing list as well | May 04 16:33 |
| sebsebseb | fourm mailing lists | May 04 16:33 |
| sebsebseb | and PC Linux OS is bad for this kind of thing as well, but at least Texstar hangs out on the forum where yep average people can have contact :) | May 04 16:34 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: I am not that keen on LXDE really, but try Lubuntu for example, it's quite nice really I guess | May 04 16:34 |
| sebsebseb | altough Xubuntu seems to be a lot better by default now, than it used to be | May 04 16:35 |
| GoForbes28 | Yes, Xubuntu has begun to remember what it is | May 04 16:35 |
| sebsebseb | and XFCE in PC Linux OS is nice as well, and the LXDE is ok, for example | May 04 16:35 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: meaning? | May 04 16:35 |
| GoForbes28 | Xubuntu went through a period of including a lot of bloat, GNOME and KDE components, etc | May 04 16:35 |
| GoForbes28 | Which meant that it actually became bigger and slower than regular Ubuntu | May 04 16:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The #Apache Software Foundation Subpoenaed to Produce Documents in #Oracle America vs. #Google - http://bit.ly/lBXfLX getting messy | May 04 16:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @clacke It Mono devs were behaving like Wine devs (advocate only to switchers) nobody would would be pissed at them. | May 04 16:36 | |
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| GoForbes28 | They've done a 180 and have gone back the their roots | May 04 16:36 |
| GoForbes28 | no Mono, for example | May 04 16:36 |
| GoForbes28 | more XFCE and GTK apps | May 04 16:36 |
| sebsebseb | what yiou mean a 180? | May 04 16:36 |
| GoForbes28 | Away from being bloated | May 04 16:36 |
| *amarsh04 wonders if "raspberry berets" is an appropriate name for the company formerly known as blackwater | May 04 16:37 | |
| sebsebseb | even Kubuntu for what I saw of trying 11.04 beta 2 and such, I don't know something about Kubuntu, that seems quite a bit as well some how | May 04 16:37 |
| sebsebseb | than it used to be | May 04 16:37 |
| sebsebseb | or maybe that's just mainly, because of upsteram. I mean Kubuntu stays very close to upstream KDE | May 04 16:37 |
| GoForbes28 | amarch04: Blackwater is actually the term used for sewage on a caravan/trailer | May 04 16:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @clacke But instead, it is oposite. Mono devs fight agains other FOSS languages and dont attack .NET userbase at all. They fight for MSFT. | May 04 16:37 | |
| sebsebseb | amarsh04: not even heard of that company | May 04 16:37 |
| amarsh04 | blackwater... the military contracting company used in iraq by the .us | May 04 16:38 |
| sebsebseb | oh | May 04 16:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @stav !onthisdate in 1978, the first unsolicited bulk commercial e-mail (AKA !spam) was sent by a DEC marketing representative to an ... | May 04 16:39 | |
| amarsh04 | funnily enough in Australia the term greywater for water suitable for watering plants and flushing toilets but not for drinking is common, but sewage pipes in building are labeled "soil" or "sewer" and the stuff flowing in them is usually called sewage | May 04 16:40 |
| GoForbes28 | amarsh04: Trailers use the term greywater too | May 04 16:40 |
| GoForbes28 | The indicator for how full the sewage tank is is labeled black | May 04 16:41 |
| GoForbes28 | Maybe I should call the Harper Government Blackwater from now on | May 04 16:41 |
| GoForbes28 | :D | May 04 16:42 |
| GoForbes28 | diablo-d3: For "deb http://security.debian.org <codename>/updates main", would codename be testing or wheezy? | May 04 16:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Debian -- Security Information .::. Size~: 13.45 KB | May 04 16:44 |
| amarsh04 | GoForbes28 I have: | May 04 16:45 |
| amarsh04 | deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates main | May 04 16:45 |
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| amarsh04 | deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates main | May 04 16:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Debian -- Security Information .::. Size~: 13.45 KB | May 04 16:45 |
| GoForbes28 | good | May 04 16:45 |
| GoForbes28 | so it isn't dependent of the code name of the day | May 04 16:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Quick and Dirty #VPN With #sshuttle — ServerWatch.com http://ping.fm/FA8fd | May 04 16:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 4.5 Years After the Microsoft/Novell Patent Deal http://is.gd/zIiWW4 #swpats #novell #mono #microsoft #cptn #gnu #linux | May 04 16:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] 4.5 Years After the Microsoft/Novell Patent Deal http://is.gd/zIiWW4 #distortion #cartel | May 04 16:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Microsoft’s Elop is Like Rick Belluzzo – Hijacks Nokia, Sells to Microsoft, Then Exits http://is.gd/b4fOrI #microsoft #entryism #corruption | May 04 16:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft’s Elop is Like Rick Belluzzo – Hijacks #Nokia, Sells to Microsoft, Then Exits http://is.gd/b4fOrI #elop #nokia #sgi #mole | May 04 16:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Disney Claims It's #Copyright Infringement For Dish To Offer Starz To Non-Premium Subscribers - http://bit.ly/lHvZl6 well, of course | May 04 16:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The Post Penguicon !Unity Unification Story • by Shawn Powers http://ping.fm/LcZdc | May 04 16:46 | |
| amarsh04 | so security is for current stable and current testing (maybe also oldstable but I don't know) | May 04 16:46 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Outlaw Minors. ROFL !outlawminers | May 04 16:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "It is not clear if Miguel has been sentenced to Nuremburg, but pulling apart his team like that must miff him somewhat" http://is.gd/9IMRfp | May 04 16:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Interview with Linus Torvalds http://ping.fm/qpOAr | May 04 16:47 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Attachmate lays off Mono staff - Open Saucers let go | TechEye .::. Size~: 23.89 KB | May 04 16:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | May 04 16:47 |
| amarsh04 | back in a few | May 04 16:48 |
| GoForbes28 | think we could get Linus Tovalds on Techbytes? | May 04 16:48 |
| schestowitz | he rarely does audio | May 04 16:48 |
| schestowitz | he did floss weekly in a hotel room | May 04 16:48 |
| amarsh04 | might need to happen at a linux.conf.au | May 04 16:48 |
| amarsh04 | he's more relaxed at those events | May 04 16:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Linux.com via LWN: The Tor Project Forks !Firefox http://ping.fm/L3bBu | May 04 16:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Handcrafting political discourse - http://bit.ly/luR3dX "the way online participation is making a mark on offline" (v @alicebell @BoraZ) | May 04 16:49 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | May 04 16:49 |
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| sebsebseb | So what distro you lot on at the moment and why? | May 04 16:50 |
| sebsebseb | uh no Diablo-D3 Windows isn't a distro :D | May 04 16:50 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] The Document Foundation has been accepted as non-profit at Flattr: http://flattr.com/profile/tdf !libo !tdf | May 04 16:51 | |
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| sebsebseb | let's ask whoever this koolhead17 person is as well, what distro you on? | May 04 16:51 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: gnufreex GoForbes28 ^ | May 04 16:52 |
| MinceR | still the same | May 04 16:54 |
| GoForbes28 | Windows 7 :( | May 04 16:54 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Kubuntu 9.10? Even though now it's ran out of support | May 04 16:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] techhamlet: How To Install !Gnome 3 on !Ubuntu 11.04 http://ping.fm/lmJJO | May 04 16:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @clacke And that is why people (me included) are happy that mono guys are fired: mono evang. is not going to be profesionall job anymore. | May 04 16:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz It sounds as though you need reform as well. | May 04 16:54 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: How To Install Gnome 3 on Ubuntu 11.04 .::. Size~: 83.04 KB | May 04 16:54 |
| GoForbes28 | I will be switching to Debian Testing in a few days | May 04 16:54 |
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| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: So for now, you can say that I'm using Debian Testing. After all I'm actually testing it right nwo | May 04 16:56 |
| schestowitz | mayb amarsh can talk to him | May 04 16:57 |
| schestowitz | linus knows us... | May 04 16:57 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: yes, on some of the machines | May 04 16:58 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: that ran out of support on April 29th, time to upgrade or switch disttro really, unless your using offline I guess | May 04 16:58 |
| MinceR | we've discussed this a few times already :> | May 04 16:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] When Bishan-TP/Holland-BT/Aljunied/MarineP GRCs are won by SPP/SDP/WP/NSP & LHL wins AMK narrowly, will he be a man & resign? #sgelection | May 04 16:59 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: maybe wait untill JUne 1st, and switch them to Mageia 1 with KDE :D | May 04 17:00 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: He doesn't consider us the "sanctimonious dick-head"-type does he? | May 04 17:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] More Facebook scams - you are generally safe if you aren't running #Windows. Run Mac #OSX or #Linux if you surf the net. | May 04 17:01 | |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I may have a microphone/headset quite soon. so I might talk about distro's and such on Techbytes before June 1st, not sure yet | May 04 17:01 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: I got new links for the post we co-edit | May 04 17:01 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: nice! | May 04 17:02 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: The "Windows against actvists" one? | May 04 17:02 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I could buy my own, but someone has a spear he can send me, should I accept? talked about that more than once with them. so I guess may as well accept really? | May 04 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Tim and I might also figure out how to do both video and audio at the same go (recording to both in high qualify), even with guests on (With or without cam) | May 04 17:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] @goforbes28 Don't think they make breath right nasal strips for Beagles. | May 04 17:02 | |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: ja | May 04 17:02 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: any microphone works with Skype or? | May 04 17:03 |
| GoForbes28 | yes | May 04 17:03 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: don't need something special for Skype really? | May 04 17:03 |
| GoForbes28 | any microphone | May 04 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Rusty may become a regular with us | May 04 17:03 |
| GoForbes28 | I though we weren't using Skype anymore Roy... | May 04 17:03 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: uhmm I am hoping Kevie will become a regular :) | May 04 17:03 |
| schestowitz | Here is his latest new episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOlabTjES9g | May 04 17:03 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I mean if he is up for it, instead of starting his own audio cast | May 04 17:03 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: That way would have two Scottish people on it as well :D | May 04 17:04 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: well if Gordon stays | May 04 17:04 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: When's the Jono episode going up later today? I mean you haven't even recorded the proper episode for that yet I assume? | May 04 17:04 |
| schestowitz | The current attempts are too crude. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLV9dBCQzvw we'll retry Friday | May 04 17:04 |
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| schestowitz | compression causes lag | May 04 17:05 |
| schestowitz | like MINUTEs of audio-video lag, far too distracting | May 04 17:05 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: Fri | May 04 17:05 |
| koolhead17 | hi all | May 04 17:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz Our barely more than ½ voter turnout is a sign. Like when a baby cries and no one comes, they know no one is listening. !cdnpoli | May 04 17:06 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Friday ah? well my dents are a bit wrong then http://identi.ca/Techbytes oh well at least I tried to hype it up early, no one replied though | May 04 17:06 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: uh I mean http://identi.ca/group/techbytes | May 04 17:06 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: someone mailed me links for this post | May 04 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | > http://www.neowin.net/news/the-nsa-wants-you-to-drop-windows-xp | May 04 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | > http://www.schneier.com/essay-198.html | May 04 17:06 |
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| schestowitz | > http://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-windows-7-nsa-backdoor,9130.html | May 04 17:06 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Why Friday, Tim can't record a proper episode before then? | May 04 17:06 |
| sebsebseb | koolhead17: hello | May 04 17:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz One thing I like about the American system is term limits. | May 04 17:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] *whistles* Our journey.... | May 04 17:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !RedHat CEO Whitehurst: Don’t Be Tricked into Cloud-based Lock-in - CIO Central - CIO Network - Forbes http://ping.fm/aJn8B | May 04 17:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Awesome! at 55:40, you see the plug computers that are part of the data grid running JBoss! http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/14457992 | May 04 17:09 | |
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| schestowitz | http://all-things-linux.blogspot.com/2011/05/mageia-1-beta-2-almost-ready-for-big.html | May 04 17:10 |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: he can't | May 04 17:10 |
| schestowitz | Our overhead is always Tim | May 04 17:10 |
| schestowitz | Or his wife :-) | May 04 17:10 |
| sebsebseb | Dur overhead??? | May 04 17:10 |
| schestowitz | the cause for pace not being as high as feasible | May 04 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | *as would be otherwise feasible | May 04 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Link Mageia stuff such as the above to the group :) | May 04 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | oh more UK people then :D don't know who barnieg is though yet | May 04 17:12 |
| olorin_ | Not me at least. | May 04 17:12 |
| barnieg | afternoon | May 04 17:12 |
| barnieg | http://tubblog.wordpress.com/2010/03/07/cloud-computing-%E2%80%93-good-for-clients-bad-for-it-companies/ | May 04 17:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Hackers revive #PS3 #OtherOS feature http://ping.fm/IrJR0 | May 04 17:12 | |
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| barnieg | That link is explains better (along with the comments) the thought processes of the typical microsoft reseller | May 04 17:13 |
| barnieg | and why the big push to the cloud | May 04 17:13 |
| barnieg | Its like looking in on a parallel universe | May 04 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: yep message the !Mageia group with that link :) | May 04 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I could, but well it's your link really | May 04 17:14 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: Don't be shy. | May 04 17:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 136 million downloads on 2011-05-04 16:12 UTC | May 04 17:14 | |
| olorin_ | barnieg: They're scared shitless. | May 04 17:15 |
| barnieg | sebsebseb: http://identi.ca/bgiltrap | May 04 17:15 |
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| sebsebseb | barnieg: http://identi.ca/sebsebseb | May 04 17:15 |
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| sebsebseb | barnieg: http://identi.ca/group/mageia :) | May 04 17:15 |
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| olorin_ | sebsebseb: Tell me, I know this half brit/swede who sort of agreed to work on some IRC guidelines for Mageia earlier this week... | May 04 17:16 |
| barnieg | olorin: they are worried that microsoft cloud computing will cut out the big margins they earn to fix sharepoint & sbs :) | May 04 17:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Just send out my first ever mic test. Used a clip from the !LO I'm just editing. Seemed to have done the trick. | May 04 17:16 | |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: ah yes | May 04 17:16 |
| koolhead17 | btw i came to know MSFT telling IT companies here to replace blackberry with there nokia + w8 mobile in coming time | May 04 17:17 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: however doing that here maybe not quite the best idea, maybe should do it in what will become the Mageia support channel or pm or something? | May 04 17:17 |
| olorin_ | barnieg: Of course. They will scream and resist as long as they can before realizing otherwise. | May 04 17:17 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: Of course. | May 04 17:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @clacke It is very connected. De Icaza sets the tone, and then fanboys sing. Without paid pros, fanboys are like headless chicken. | May 04 17:17 | |
| *sebsebseb waits for schestowitz to dent the !Mageia group with that link :) | May 04 17:18 | |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: anyway where you wnat to do it? | May 04 17:18 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: The Norwegian channel works... | May 04 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: UK works as well | May 04 17:18 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: Your choice. | May 04 17:19 |
| sebsebseb | UK, dev maybe, or Mageia | May 04 17:19 |
| barnieg | koolhead17: blackberry are there own worst enemy I had to jump through all sorts of problems to get them working with email & calendar | May 04 17:19 |
| MinceR | they'll kill themselves soon :> | May 04 17:20 |
| koolhead17 | heh :P | May 04 17:20 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: Just had a thought... with Mono devs fired, Monomaniacs are like Al Quaeda without Bin Laden. | May 04 17:20 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/72658119 http://identi.ca/notice/72658786 | May 04 17:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Claes Wallin (éåèª ) (clacke)'s status on Wednesday, 04-May-11 15:54:10 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Wow. Nice drive-by shooting there, #Microsoft. Will be interesting to see what happens to #RIM. | May 04 17:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Claes Wallin (éåèª ) (clacke)'s status on Wednesday, 04-May-11 16:03:41 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Action against #Microsoft would be ... interesting. Is that really probable? | May 04 17:20 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_: let's do it in UK, unless you want feedback from other people? | May 04 17:20 |
| olorin_ | MinceR: Not likely when they have QNX on their hands. | May 04 17:20 |
| olorin_ | sebsebseb: Ok. | May 04 17:20 |
| MinceR | olorin_: they'll replace it with kin7 :> | May 04 17:20 |
| gnufreex | In fact, they are in even worse state than Al Qaeda. | May 04 17:21 |
| MinceR | rim is mokia all over again | May 04 17:21 |
| olorin_ | MinceR: kin7? | May 04 17:21 |
| schestowitz | Action against Microsoft{tm} or the NewMicrosoft{tm}? I like Microsoft{tm} a bit better. it was also corrupt, but did not sue w/ #swpats | May 04 17:21 |
| MinceR | olorin_: winblows phone 7 | May 04 17:21 |
| olorin_ | MinceR: Oh god, no. | May 04 17:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Help? I'm having trouble figuring out where to change the settings in !LibreOffice writer from cm to inches !docufoundation !silver | May 04 17:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @clacke Action against Microsoft{tm} or the NewMicrosoft{tm}? I like Microsoft a bit better. it was also corrupt, but did not sue w/ #swpats | May 04 17:22 | |
| schestowitz | [17:20] <gnufreex> schestowitz: Just had a thought... with Mono devs fired, Monomaniacs are like Al Quaeda without Bin Laden. | May 04 17:23 |
| schestowitz | /bin/mono/ | May 04 17:23 |
| barnieg | I got burnt by QNX before when they had it "free" | May 04 17:23 |
| schestowitz | sudo su - | May 04 17:23 |
| schestowitz | # chmod +x /bin/mono/ | May 04 17:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] We r happy to support our Japan colleagues! Linus to headline LinuxCon Japan. LF donating funds to relief efforts. http://bit.ly/iAzMp3 | May 04 17:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Mageia 1 Beta 2 - Almost Ready for the Big Day http://is.gd/WRfxhA #mandriva #gnu #linux #france | May 04 17:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @seeds my !linux #aspect in !diaspora is growing man. | May 04 17:24 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Linux Foundation Announces LinuxCon Japan Keynotes, Support for Tsunami Relief | The Linux Foundation .::. Size~: 41.58 KB | May 04 17:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux, BSD, and everything else that's fun: Mageia 1 Beta 2 - Almost Ready for the Big Day .::. Size~: 116.3 KB | May 04 17:24 |
| schestowitz | RIM: "ballmer save us!!{!111" | May 04 17:24 |
| schestowitz | [like you did Corel, Novell, Nokia...] | May 04 17:24 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: ok good sent to the group :) | May 04 17:25 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 04 17:25 |
| schestowitz | hth | May 04 17:25 |
| GoForbes28 | what group? I ever love groups! Do tell! | May 04 17:28 |
| schestowitz | groupies | May 04 17:28 |
| schestowitz | We're underground | May 04 17:28 |
| GoForbes28 | lol | May 04 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Scheming stuff | May 04 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Like the freemasons | May 04 17:28 |
| schestowitz | Lobbying for the sugar industry. MMMWAHAHA | May 04 17:29 |
| GoForbes28 | I believe my grandfather belonged to lodge affiliated with the freemasons | May 04 17:29 |
| schestowitz | OMG | May 04 17:29 |
| GoForbes28 | <.< | May 04 17:29 |
| GoForbes28 | >.> | May 04 17:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[techbytes/@techbytes] .@jwildeboer will you be interested in joining us for an episode of !techbytes ? @openbytes and @schestowitz want to return to guest shows. | May 04 17:29 | |
| schestowitz | Don't tell Ender | May 04 17:29 |
| GoForbes28 | You're right | May 04 17:29 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: you too are part of "the conspiracy" | May 04 17:29 |
| GoForbes28 | he'll call me a *super* communist :P | May 04 17:29 |
| schestowitz | conspiracy - Con PIRACY | May 04 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Forbes | May 04 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Like the magazine | May 04 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Gate keeper | May 04 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Freemason!!! :-) | May 04 17:30 |
| schestowitz | OMG, Conspiracygasm | May 04 17:30 |
| GoForbes28 | I'm probably wrong though | May 04 17:30 |
| GoForbes28 | I think I'm getting it confused with something else with Mason in it | May 04 17:30 |
| GoForbes28 | or Mase | May 04 17:30 |
| schestowitz | I know someone called Paul Mason | May 04 17:30 |
| schestowitz | he spends his whole life in the sauna | May 04 17:31 |
| GoForbes28 | You too are in on the conspiracy!! | May 04 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Pissing off my mates | May 04 17:31 |
| *GoForbes28 stuns Roy with taser | May 04 17:31 | |
| schestowitz | <Ha | May 04 17:31 |
| MinceR | "don't tase me, bro!" | May 04 17:31 |
| schestowitz | !google taser student youtube | May 04 17:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - YouTube - UF Student tasered at John Kerry Speech | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DiqAVvlyVbag | May 04 17:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - YouTube - UCLA Police Taser Student in Powell | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DAyvrqcxNIFs | May 04 17:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - YouTube - UCLA Student Tasered by Police in Library | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D5g7zlJx9u2E | May 04 17:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - YouTube - Student Tasered At Kerry Speech: Longer Version | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DsE76LQwT6qA | May 04 17:31 |
| GoForbes28 | ahhh! | May 04 17:32 |
| *GoForbes28 jumps out window. | May 04 17:32 | |
| schestowitz | It's hard to watch these | May 04 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Esp. when they starts screaming | May 04 17:32 |
| GoForbes28 | Owner of the lonely HEEARRTTT! | May 04 17:32 |
| GoForbes28 | yeah | May 04 17:32 |
| GoForbes28 | pretty distrubing | May 04 17:32 |
| schestowitz | It's like watching someone having a seizure | May 04 17:32 |
| schestowitz | Nothing you can do | May 04 17:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Apache Software Foundation subpoenaed by Oracle http://lwn.net/Articles/441372/rss | May 04 17:32 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Apache Software Foundation subpoenaed by Oracle [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 6.02 KB | May 04 17:32 |
| GoForbes28 | Tasers are safe my ass | May 04 17:33 |
| sebsebseb | barnieg: ok so you joined the Mageia group on Identica I notice :) | May 04 17:33 |
| sebsebseb | barnieg: what distro you currently on? | May 04 17:33 |
| barnieg | Currently mainly Ubuntu with Debian in places | May 04 17:33 |
| barnieg | looking at changes particularly business wise | May 04 17:33 |
| barnieg | I understand what Canonical are trying to do, however I'm not sure its best for me or my business | May 04 17:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @stickster The RHEL "brain trust" (attendee's term!) did a fantastic job at our roadmap talk. Tuly humbling to work with such brillia ... | May 04 17:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] I still have 9 invitations to #Diaspora left. my followers, hear me out! ;) | May 04 17:34 | |
| GoForbes28 | anyone here actually use Diaspora? | May 04 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Some people I know used to... | May 04 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Not seen links to it in months | May 04 17:35 |
| GoForbes28 | Since I never jumped on the Facebook-style social bandwagon, never seen the point | May 04 17:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/clacke/status/65815288008028160 | May 04 17:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @clacke: @schestowitz How do you distinguish action against {New,}Microsoft? And why'd #Attachmate bite hand that feeds it? Not that I would mind. | May 04 17:35 |
| schestowitz | It's a long answer that's needed here. | May 04 17:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] out of coffee, time to head to store http://coffee.jezra.net/coffee/20110504 #sip_and_click | May 04 17:36 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: coffee.jezra: a coffee a day photo project | 2011-05-04 .::. Size~: 3.74 KB | May 04 17:36 |
| barnieg | I noticed Microsoft Jack has asked about Mono's future but still can't help the digs at foss | May 04 17:36 |
| GoForbes28 | I guess when you maliciously rather than outright buy something out, you should realize that sometimes your control wanes | May 04 17:36 |
| barnieg | From my point of view mono is a solution looking for a problem | May 04 17:37 |
| GoForbes28 | I think calling it a solution at all is giving it too much credit | May 04 17:38 |
| GoForbes28 | You know who else I would like to see on Techbytes? | May 04 17:38 |
| GoForbes28 | Me | May 04 17:38 |
| GoForbes28 | Just kidding | May 04 17:38 |
| barnieg | to a lesser degree projects such as wine & reactos suffer from catchup ratther than just concentrating on legacy support | May 04 17:38 |
| GoForbes28 | I was actually thinking "LiberalViewer" from youtube | May 04 17:38 |
| GoForbes28 | branieg: Wine has been a billion times more productive than reactos though | May 04 17:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] How many members does TDF already have? http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/msg00933.html !libo !tdf | May 04 17:39 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [steering-discuss] Membership application numbers - The Document Foundation Mailing List Archives .::. Size~: 6.4 KB | May 04 17:39 |
| GoForbes28 | barnieg: Wine doesn't have to reinvent the entire wheel | May 04 17:39 |
| barnieg | GoForbes: agreed, but I want a wine that will let my customers run the old software they have so they they can move to linux elsewhere rather than if it will run the latest direct x 10 game | May 04 17:40 |
| barnieg | GoForbes28: agreed | May 04 17:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Linux skills: A hot commodity for job hunters http://is.gd/IF8m4u increasingly true these days. Companies even retrain their Windows people. | May 04 17:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] At #Novell - people who did #Linux (SUSE) stayed, those who did .NET went the way of the #dodo | May 04 17:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @jgbarah @paulocoelho on sharing, "pirates" and all that http://ur1.ca/42tzd (via @rms) A writer who understands... | May 04 17:41 | |
| GoForbes28 | barnieg: People like to think that ReactOS will "do to Windows what (GNU)Linux did to Unix". | May 04 17:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux skills: A hot commodity for job hunters .::. Size~: 128.62 KB | May 04 17:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Who stole my story? « Paulo Coelho's Blog .::. Size~: 163.8 KB | May 04 17:41 |
| sebsebseb | barnieg: ok well Mageia could become the next pretty popular distro, since it wil lbe a new distro, and how its based on Mandriva which used to be very popular, and how it's 100% community and all that | May 04 17:41 |
| GoForbes28 | The problem is, is that Unix had a huge market of derivatives compared to Windows, which was, well just Windows | May 04 17:41 |
| sebsebseb | barnieg: if I was running servers for a business, right now, I think I would go Debian, or uhmm maybe CentOS, except many people are using Scientific Linux instead | May 04 17:42 |
| sebsebseb | now it seems | May 04 17:42 |
| GoForbes28 | And in terms of documentation, unix was far more open | May 04 17:42 |
| sebsebseb | barnieg: for Desktops, I would look at Mageia and possibily Debian | May 04 17:42 |
| barnieg | In some ways Reactos could do that if they worked on legacy more i.e here is our new Linux setup with reactos vms so you dont need os license fees for your old software | May 04 17:42 |
| sebsebseb | barnieg: first stable of Mageia is June 1st probably, it will be very similar to Mandriva 2011, then they will start doing their own thing more | May 04 17:42 |
| sebsebseb | olorin_ what would you suggest for a business by the way? ^ | May 04 17:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "From my point of view mono is a solution looking for a problem" ~barnieg | May 04 17:42 | |
| GoForbes28 | And I disagree with the ReactOS team that Windows NT isn't naturally a flawed dsign | May 04 17:42 |
| barnieg | sebsebseb: Debian is probably the way I will go maybe with a more upto kernel and a few other apps | May 04 17:42 |
| schestowitz | [17:38] <GoForbes28> I was actually thinking "LiberalViewer" from youtube | May 04 17:43 |
| schestowitz | he's awesome | May 04 17:43 |
| sebsebseb | barnieg: ReactOS has been around for years, but is very early alpha, so you can't really give that to business, and for that matter it can hardly be given to any home users really right now either, to replace Windows | May 04 17:43 |
| sebsebseb | barnieg: they have a lack of developers so development is slow | May 04 17:43 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: Though he seems to think that "Waiting for Superman" was a great documentary... | May 04 17:43 |
| sebsebseb | barnieg: ok well good to keep an eye on Mageia as well :) | May 04 17:43 |
| barnieg | sebsebseb: not at the moment no | May 04 17:43 |
| schestowitz | HAHA | May 04 17:43 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: it was Gates-fudned propaganda | May 04 17:43 |
| schestowitz | Gates is not "superman" | May 04 17:44 |
| GoForbes28 | I think I PM'ed him about it once | May 04 17:44 |
| schestowitz | !google techrights "Waiting for Superman" | May 04 17:44 |
| GoForbes28 | didn't get a response | May 04 17:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Education Scandal Leaves Melinda Gates Out of the Washington Post ... | http://techrights.org/2011/01/07/washington-post-without-gates/ | May 04 17:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Controlling Software, Controlling Minds, Controlling Nations ... | http://techrights.org/2011/01/18/controlling-minds/ | May 04 17:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Bill Gates Takes Over Schooling Systems With Help From Oprah, NBC ... | http://techrights.org/2010/10/24/lots-of-publicity-for-influence/ | May 04 17:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - 2010 September 24 | Techrights - Part 2 | http://techrights.org/2010/09/24/page/2/ | May 04 17:44 |
| barnieg | I started out on RPM distros - firstly Redhat, followed by Mandrake & Suse | May 04 17:44 |
| barnieg | Gave up on Suse when it helped set back Linux & Open Source on a local project | May 04 17:44 |
| GoForbes28 | !google liberalviewer waiting for superman | May 04 17:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - YouTube - Fox News "Waiting for Superman" Spin About Blaming ... | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D_bky0cXRj20 | May 04 17:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - YouTube - Waiting for Superman Teacher Tenure | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D6uTjM-2CjQk | May 04 17:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - YouTube - watch waiting for superman full part 1/15 movi | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D1bKzmGcgwBk | May 04 17:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Waiting for Superman Sparks Education Reform - Worldnews.com | http://article.wn.com/view/2011/03/27/Waiting_for_Superman_Sparks_Education_Reform/ | May 04 17:44 |
| schestowitz | Disgusting | May 04 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Using propaganda films | May 04 17:45 |
| GoForbes28 | It's incredible | May 04 17:45 |
| schestowitz | I remember when other did this... | May 04 17:45 |
| schestowitz | OMG | May 04 17:45 |
| barnieg | The previous company I was in used Slackware... | May 04 17:45 |
| *hbons has quit (Quit: Leaving.) | May 04 17:45 | |
| schestowitz | The edu system us broken | May 04 17:45 |
| schestowitz | Let Gates fix it | May 04 17:45 |
| schestowitz | And own it | May 04 17:45 |
| schestowitz | a $500bn/year system | May 04 17:45 |
| GoForbes28 | Fox News spin on Waiting for Superman | May 04 17:45 |
| schestowitz | "Gates knows how to manage money" :-D | May 04 17:45 |
| GoForbes28 | like a negative feedback loop | May 04 17:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "I noticed Microsoft Jack has asked about Mono's future but still can't help the digs at foss" ~barnieg about Jack SCOFreund | May 04 17:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] A #SPA também despreza o @paulocoelho da mesma forma que o Tolstoi? http://ur1.ca/42tzd | May 04 17:46 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Who stole my story? « Paulo Coelho's Blog .::. Size~: 163.8 KB | May 04 17:46 |
| schestowitz | Let him run out schools, he knows how to destroy rivals, so.. | May 04 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | barnieg: also yeah I like loads of distro's really, but I wanted to do something more proper for a distro, I mean more than just IRC support and such, so I decided to get invovled with Mageia on the community side :) | May 04 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | barnieg: try and set up some sort of UK users community, and that kind of thing | May 04 17:46 |
| barnieg | Gates is doing it with the European parliment - I see your problems and I know how to fix it | May 04 17:46 |
| schestowitz | yes | May 04 17:46 |
| schestowitz | I think you commented in a MEP's blog | May 04 17:46 |
| GoForbes28 | And going to private schools all his life, he definitely has the interest of the public system in his heart | May 04 17:47 |
| schestowitz | "OMG! I shook hands with $FamousCrook, I feel so entitled now" | May 04 17:47 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: his kids too | May 04 17:47 |
| schestowitz | And Arne Duncan's | May 04 17:47 |
| barnieg | schestowitz: yes, I think that MEP is probably worth speaking to, just think she was unaware of the other side of the story | May 04 17:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @dbd RT @graziano !dbd action idea: tag #DRM crippled items on #Amazon with defectivebydesign !gnulinuxlibre share, blog, act now! | May 04 17:47 | |
| schestowitz | barnieg: many of them just want to be releected | May 04 17:48 |
| GoForbes28 | Kinda like fake Linux "boosters" sans Microsoft PR people,no? | May 04 17:48 |
| schestowitz | So that they don't need to do a real job | May 04 17:48 |
| schestowitz | So they suck up to money | May 04 17:48 |
| schestowitz | And Gates is it | May 04 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Money for people who increase his power | May 04 17:48 |
| schestowitz | They destory scientists who don't comply with his line of resarch | May 04 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Crushing competition | May 04 17:48 |
| schestowitz | http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/science/16malaria.html | May 04 17:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Gates Foundation’s Influence Criticized - New York Times .::. Size~: 68.9 KB | May 04 17:49 |
| GoForbes28 | Funding research to spill chemical in the atmosphere to "counteract" global warming | May 04 17:49 |
| schestowitz | LOL | May 04 17:49 |
| schestowitz | With patents | May 04 17:49 |
| schestowitz | Guess whose? | May 04 17:49 |
| GoForbes28 | If basic chemestry has taught me anything | May 04 17:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @dbd RT @graziano !dbd action idea: tag #DRM crippled items on #Amazon with defectivebydesign !gnulinuxlibre share, blog, act now! | May 04 17:49 | |
| schestowitz | Nathan and BillyG | May 04 17:49 |
| GoForbes28 | It is when you have screwed up an experiment | May 04 17:49 |
| GoForbes28 | you don't keep adding things to make it right | May 04 17:49 |
| schestowitz | "Oops!" | May 04 17:49 |
| GoForbes28 | because you just mess it up even further | May 04 17:50 |
| schestowitz | !google gates vaccination india girls | May 04 17:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - India: Deaths of tribal girls in Gates Foundation-funded HPV ... | http://www.global-sisterhood-network.org/content/view/2423/59/ | May 04 17:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - India: Melinda & Bill Gates funded-Cervical Cancer Vaccine trials ... | http://www.global-sisterhood-network.org/content/view/2433/59/ | May 04 17:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Gates Keepers :: Messy philanthropy on the part of the Gates ... | http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2011/4/25/4803068.html | May 04 17:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Drug regulator cover on vaccine study aim - The Telegraph ... | http://www.telegraphindia.com/1110228/jsp/nation/story_13646373.jsp | May 04 17:50 |
| GoForbes28 | !google Bill Gates research global warming | May 04 17:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - YouTube - GLOBAL WARMING, EUGENICS, AND BILL GATES | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DPVJSrvVVvxM | May 04 17:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Can whiter clouds reduce global warming? - USATODAY.com | http://www.usatoday.com/weather/research/2010-06-10-cloud-whitening_N.htm | May 04 17:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Report: Bill Gates funds climate, energy research | Green Tech ... | http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10442865-54.html | May 04 17:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Bill Gates: U.S. Must Expand Energy Research - Washington Wire - WSJ | http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/06/09/bill-gates-us-must-expand-energy-research/ | May 04 17:50 |
| GoForbes28 | !google Bill Gates research global warming india | May 04 17:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Bill Gates: U.S. Must Expand Energy Research - Washington Wire - WSJ | http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/06/09/bill-gates-us-must-expand-energy-research/ | May 04 17:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Mitigation – State of the Planet | http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/tag/mitigation/ | May 04 17:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Bill Gates' Unique Green Plan for India « Do U Speak Green? | http://fusionclothing.wordpress.com/2011/01/29/bill-gates-unique-green-plan-for-india/ | May 04 17:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Annual Letter from Bill Gates silent on climate change « Climate ... | http://climateprogress.org/2011/03/01/annual-letter-bill-gates-climate-change/ | May 04 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Research=patents | May 04 17:50 |
| schestowitz | Monopoly euphemism | May 04 17:50 |
| schestowitz | "Let me help you solve your problems" | May 04 17:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @clacke I think he is blinded by love for MSFT. And I saw him heckling more times I care to remember. Other Novellers are not diff. either | May 04 17:51 | |
| schestowitz | "Nathan and I have these nuclear patents we can sell you" | May 04 17:51 |
| GoForbes28 | !google peter gabriel gates foundation | May 04 17:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - YouTube - Peter Singer: TEDxChange @ TEDxDelhi | Bill & Melinda ... | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DgzZBMJu61mw | May 04 17:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - THE EDGE DINNER — 2009 | http://www.edge.org/documents/dinner2009/dinner09_index.html | May 04 17:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - THE EDGE BILLIONAIRES' DINNER | http://www.edge.org/documents/dinners/dinner_index.html | May 04 17:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Bill Gates : Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation - Davos 2011 on World ... | http://www.livestream.com/worldeconomicforum02/video%3FclipId%3Dpla_2c978eae-ad29-464e-a344-49c8a50bd49d | May 04 17:51 |
| schestowitz | !google Pinky and the brain | May 04 17:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Pinky and the Brain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinky_and_the_Brain | May 04 17:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - YouTube - Pinky and The Brain Intro | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DiJPFSNu_QNs | May 04 17:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - "Pinky and the Brain" (1995) - Memorable quotes | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112123/quotes | May 04 17:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Pinky and the Brain - Wikiquote | http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pinky_and_the_Brain | May 04 17:51 |
| GoForbes28 | I hope Peter Gabriel doesn't fall for this nonsense | May 04 17:51 |
| schestowitz | I think Nathan is pinky | May 04 17:51 |
| schestowitz | Cause he's kind of chubby | May 04 17:52 |
| barnieg | schestowitz: Thats like our local MP made promises to http://www.credativ.co.uk & http://www.opusvl.com/ | May 04 17:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Open source consulting, training and support services in the UK | credativ: open source for business .::. Size~: 9.67 KB | May 04 17:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | May 04 17:52 |
| GoForbes28 | who is Nathan? | May 04 17:52 |
| schestowitz | barnieg: that's the PR, right? | May 04 17:52 |
| barnieg | UK MP's get £6000 for a laptop & software! | May 04 17:52 |
| schestowitz | They probably don't even write it | May 04 17:52 |
| MinceR | GoForbes28: ex-m$, current patent troll | May 04 17:52 |
| schestowitz | Won't pass muster or PR filter\ | May 04 17:52 |
| schestowitz | A friend's borther married this girl whose job is just to embellish people's CVs | May 04 17:53 |
| barnieg | schestowitz: 2 open source companies in rugby along with my somewhat smaller busienss | May 04 17:53 |
| schestowitz | VERY necessary for politicians | May 04 17:53 |
| schestowitz | They filp-flops for special interests and then need to rename or hide it | May 04 17:53 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: | May 04 17:53 |
| schestowitz | !google nathan patent troll | May 04 17:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Who's afraid of Nathan Myhrvold? - July 10, 2006 | http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/07/10/8380798/index.htm | May 04 17:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Intellectual Ventures, Nathan Myhrvold's Sleeping Patent Troll ... | http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/12/giant_patent_troll_awakens_as.php | May 04 17:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - RPX IPO Helps Slay Patent Trolls - Nathan Vardi - The Jungle - Forbes | http://blogs.forbes.com/nathanvardi/2011/05/03/rpx-ipo-helps-slay-patent-trolls/ | May 04 17:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Bill Gates and Nathan Myhrvold Find New Ways to Extort the ... | http://techrights.org/2011/04/02/patent-trolls-vs-rim/ | May 04 17:53 |
| *obengdako (~obengdako@41.190.89.69) has joined #techrights | May 04 17:54 | |
| gnufreex | <barnieg> schestowitz: 2 open source companies in rugby along with my somewhat smaller busienss | May 04 17:54 |
| gnufreex | How you mean rugby companies? Making Rugby balls and jerseys? | May 04 17:54 |
| GoForbes28 | nice | May 04 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | May 04 17:54 |
| schestowitz | LMOA | May 04 17:54 |
| GoForbes28 | So Roy, if I sent a techbytes invite to LiberalViewer, would you mind? | May 04 17:54 |
| schestowitz | *AO | May 04 17:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] !apache Software Foundation receives subpoena from #Oracle America http://ur1.ca/42xhh !eff !faif !android /via @bkuhn | May 04 17:54 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Apache Software Foundation Subpoenaed to Produce Documents in Oracle America vs. Google : The Apache Software Foundation Blog .::. Size~: 22.97 KB | May 04 17:54 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: nice | May 04 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Yes, we cover copyrights\ | May 04 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Tim's area | May 04 17:54 |
| barnieg | gnufreex: Rugby, England small town that apparently did invent the game | May 04 17:54 |
| gnufreex | Ah... | May 04 17:54 |
| schestowitz | And I know he's a lawyer who was arguing with YouTube over the false DMCAs | May 04 17:55 |
| GoForbes28 | ok, got his email, will send at high priority | May 04 17:55 |
| *gnufreex looks stupid | May 04 17:55 | |
| GoForbes28 | Can I say something like, "on behalf of the Techbytes community"? | May 04 17:55 |
| *gnufreex looks at the map of England | May 04 17:55 | |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: nice | May 04 17:55 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: it's a small town | May 04 17:55 |
| barnieg | Nicer than Coventry where we used to live | May 04 17:56 |
| schestowitz | barnieg: http://wwww.networkworld.com/news/tech/2011/050311-linux-skills.html | May 04 17:56 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] a generation of kids turning their backs on sport in favour of games consoles http://is.gd/AuMEwi hardly news #bleedingobvious | May 04 17:59 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC News - A generation of children 'turn their backs on sport' .::. Size~: 59.09 KB | May 04 17:59 |
| GoForbes28 | what's Tim's last name? | May 04 18:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "legalising he green fairy" sounds like a political campaign announced in Gotham City http://is.gd/dbZVte apparently it's about da booze | May 04 18:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "legalising he green fairy" sounds like a political campaign announced in Gotham City http://is.gd/dbZVte apparently it's about le booze | May 04 18:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK .NET !Android and iOS clones stripped by Attachmate - Open source !Mono suffers layoffs - http://tinyurl.com/3ukl4yb !microsoft | May 04 18:04 | |
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| schestowitz | GoForbes28: can't tell | May 04 18:06 |
| barnieg | One of the things the I remember thinking about Mono is that it was supposed to help Linux with more software (or so we were told) yet one of Miguels flagship examples of Mono the Unity game platform still does not have a Linux version | May 04 18:07 |
| barnieg | that speaks volumes | May 04 18:07 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: What happened to RIM? You wrote "is rim next to die"? Is there Microsoft intrusion? | May 04 18:07 |
| barnieg | at the moment proper integration of blackberries requires an additional windows server | May 04 18:08 |
| gnufreex | Was it always like that? | May 04 18:09 |
| gnufreex | Or they dumped GNU/Linux or Mac? | May 04 18:09 |
| schestowitz | [18:07] <barnieg> that speaks volumes | May 04 18:09 |
| schestowitz | and he still brags about it | May 04 18:09 |
| schestowitz | !google techrights mono unity icaza | May 04 18:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Mono - Techrights | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Mono | May 04 18:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - With Novell's Intervention, MeeGo Now Poisoned by Mono | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/02/08/banshee-included-in-meego/ | May 04 18:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Canonical is Hiring Mono Developers, Losing COO | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2010/12/09/canonical-shakeup/ | May 04 18:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Linuxaria Mono, è un bene o un male per Linux ? | http://www.linuxaria.com/article/mono-linux-good-bad%3Flang%3Dit | May 04 18:10 |
| gnufreex | We should watch if Canonical hires Mono devs | May 04 18:10 |
| gnufreex | I mean | May 04 18:10 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: you didn't hear? | May 04 18:10 |
| gnufreex | No? | May 04 18:10 |
| schestowitz | They bend over to Steve | May 04 18:10 |
| gnufreex | MSFT? | May 04 18:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Interview with Linux Torvalds http://is.gd/PcghhP #linux #kernel | May 04 18:11 | |
| schestowitz | Watch out for rim jobs... they might hire from Microsoft to management now, like in Nokia | May 04 18:11 |
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| gnufreex | Wait, Mono devs went to MSFT? | May 04 18:11 |
| barnieg | I think Canonical wants to be a open source apple which is why Unity is so important - think Ubuntu on smartphones, tablets etc | May 04 18:11 |
| schestowitz | I don't read Microsoft news anymore, so I won't know if RIM hires from Microsoft | May 04 18:11 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: went? | May 04 18:11 |
| schestowitz | You say it like they were separate before :-) | May 04 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft paid Novell | May 04 18:12 |
| gnufreex | I know | May 04 18:12 |
| schestowitz | Novell paid some people to do Microsoft's job | May 04 18:12 |
| gnufreex | But officially | May 04 18:12 |
| gnufreex | Did they go to Redmond? | May 04 18:12 |
| schestowitz | barnieg: I shudder at the thought | May 04 18:12 |
| schestowitz | gnufreex: let's wait and see | May 04 18:13 |
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| schestowitz | I saw Cutler's blog | May 04 18:13 |
| schestowitz | He "moves on" | May 04 18:13 |
| schestowitz | He only joined Novell in April 1st IIRC | May 04 18:13 |
| schestowitz | And he had done some tomboy stuff | May 04 18:13 |
| gnufreex | It is ok if if Canonical hires some of them at minimal wage and gives them C++ job | May 04 18:13 |
| gnufreex | But it is bad if they give them C# job | May 04 18:13 |
| gnufreex | Or worse | May 04 18:13 |
| gnufreex | A high spot | May 04 18:13 |
| schestowitz | http://www.paulcutler.org/blog/?p=1549 | May 04 18:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: On to greener pastures | Paul Cutler's Blog .::. Size~: 25.33 KB | May 04 18:13 |
| gnufreex | In management | May 04 18:13 |
| schestowitz | Heh | May 04 18:14 |
| barnieg | schestowitz: I just think thats the business model - its Ubuntu not Ubuntu Linux in the way that Apple dont promote "OS X with BSD core" :) | May 04 18:14 |
| Ender_nothome | at minimal wage | May 04 18:14 |
| Ender_nothome | why | May 04 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Imagine jono entering an argument with us over hiring Miguel | May 04 18:14 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: Where is a page giving your contact information? | May 04 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Ender_nothome: right.. | May 04 18:14 |
| MinceR | imagine jono entering an argument | May 04 18:14 |
| MinceR | lol | May 04 18:14 |
| MinceR | you're killing us | May 04 18:14 |
| schestowitz | If they make FOSS with C++, pay them well | May 04 18:14 |
| schestowitz | They are not bad developers | May 04 18:14 |
| Ender_nothome | exactly | May 04 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Heh. Maybe they'll redo Moon Lie with C++ :-p | May 04 18:15 |
| GoForbes28 | If they make FOSS with C, pay them weller | May 04 18:15 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: and call it Flash? | May 04 18:15 |
| schestowitz | "Look. It's not spam, it's just "Cured meat"" | May 04 18:15 |
| barnieg | Banshee is C# why didnt they stay with Rhythmbox? | May 04 18:15 |
| Ender_nothome | C++ is awesome | May 04 18:15 |
| MinceR | that it is | May 04 18:15 |
| Ender_nothome | KDE devs should be paid well | May 04 18:15 |
| GoForbes28 | If they make FOSS with assembly, figure out the intrinsic motivation | May 04 18:15 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: schestowitz.com/contact IIRC | May 04 18:15 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Address/ | May 04 18:16 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz.com/contact | May 04 18:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @clacke extreme? It's a much more realistic scenario than #Apple tracking their clients location. Have an #iPhoney? Likely to be wealthy. | May 04 18:16 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Addresses .::. Size~: 4.1 KB | May 04 18:16 |
| GoForbes28 | I get an error | May 04 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Hmm... interesting | May 04 18:16 |
| gnufreex | schestowitz: I remember you talked to Canonical guy who previously worked at mono... he complained about saying he shouldn't be hired. But it turned they hired him to do C++ | May 04 18:16 |
| gnufreex | That is ok | May 04 18:16 |
| schestowitz | My server fixed lowercase/uppercase | May 04 18:16 |
| schestowitz | Maybe they installed the apache speling [sic] extension | May 04 18:16 |
| GoForbes28 | nevermind, address workds | May 04 18:16 |
| GoForbes28 | but it doesn't have identi or twitter | May 04 18:16 |
| GoForbes28 | or email | May 04 18:17 |
| schestowitz | True, it's very old | May 04 18:17 |
| GoForbes28 | do we have something a little more contemporary? | May 04 18:17 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Feedback/ | May 04 18:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Feedback Submission .::. Size~: 4.63 KB | May 04 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Also old (2002) | May 04 18:17 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/roy/ | May 04 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | 2002 also | May 04 18:18 |
| GoForbes28 | this isn't going well... | May 04 18:18 |
| GoForbes28 | How about you edit your wiki page to include all the information needed? | May 04 18:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Philip Glass' 9th Symphony http://ur1.ca/42xw9 | May 04 18:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Hmmm..... Fresh bread is awesome. | May 04 18:19 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | May 04 18:19 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: sure :-) | May 04 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Maybe adding a page on how to be on the show | May 04 18:21 |
| GoForbes28 | good idea | May 04 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Badically Tim and I move back to old format | May 04 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Wherein we have a guest on most shows and different people too | May 04 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Keeps us on topic that change too | May 04 18:22 |
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| GoForbes28 | No interviews? | May 04 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Yes | May 04 18:22 |
| GoForbes28 | Ah, like Real Time with Bill Maher | May 04 18:22 |
| schestowitz | with a person possessing knowledge in the subject matter | May 04 18:22 |
| schestowitz | like RMS for FS | May 04 18:22 |
| GoForbes28 | Or me for... | May 04 18:22 |
| schestowitz | We got too distracted after ep. 7 or thereabouts | May 04 18:22 |
| GoForbes28 | uh... | May 04 18:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: [How to] Run KDE Plasma Widgets in Ubuntu !Unity http://goo.gl/MtnUM | May 04 18:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Linux as Social Justice Symbol - I Think Not http://is.gd/1LH8C7 "Linux is about freedom - freedom to choose..." | May 04 18:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Yay! !LO will be covering SambaXP next week in Göttingen. Just got a press pass. :) | May 04 18:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: #UnityFox: Integrate #Firefox With !Ubuntu !Unity Launcher (Extension) http://goo.gl/DteaY | May 04 18:22 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [How to] Run KDE Plasma Widgets in Ubuntu Unity .::. Size~: 37.07 KB | May 04 18:22 |
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| GoForbes28 | the university perspective | May 04 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Laurel does publishing | May 04 18:23 |
| GoForbes28 | yeah, that works L) | May 04 18:23 |
| GoForbes28 | :) | May 04 18:23 |
| schestowitz | self publishing of sorts she can explain | May 04 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Ender_nothome will be back on a show, I think | May 04 18:23 |
| GoForbes28 | she also uses Trisquel | May 04 18:23 |
| GoForbes28 | Ender? Hoo-boy | May 04 18:23 |
| schestowitz | I think Tim wants to ask him about the whole "conspiracy" thing | May 04 18:23 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: does she? | May 04 18:23 |
| GoForbes28 | yes | May 04 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Has she finally left Windows after publishing the book with proprietary fonts? | May 04 18:24 |
| GoForbes28 | I thought this was techbytes, no jerry springer... | May 04 18:24 |
| GoForbes28 | AFAIK | May 04 18:24 |
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| schestowitz | GoForbes28: yes, it wasn't my idea | May 04 18:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Linux skills: A hot commodity for job hunters http://is.gd/IF8m4u | May 04 18:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bgiltrap/@bgiltrap] http://slidesha.re/iiOKqz Why Open Source in the Public Sector? | May 04 18:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG Ubuntu: #UnityFox plugin for Firefox puts download Progress on the Unity Launcher http://goo.gl/uw5fU | May 04 18:24 | |
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| schestowitz | And jerry springer is what Tim keeps saying, not me | May 04 18:24 |
| schestowitz | OMG! | May 04 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Progress bar | May 04 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Unity | May 04 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Ubuntu | May 04 18:24 |
| schestowitz | Massive! | May 04 18:25 |
| GoForbes28 | screenshot | May 04 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Linux making huge strides on desktop | May 04 18:25 |
| GoForbes28 | ? | May 04 18:25 |
| GoForbes28 | Pun! | May 04 18:25 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like an afternoon project | May 04 18:25 |
| Ender_nothome | interesting | May 04 18:25 |
| barnieg | schestowitz: I think its easier to talk about Linux on the desktop because of all the cloud talk you see & hear these days | May 04 18:25 |
| GoForbes28 | !google big progress bar unity ubuntu | May 04 18:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Bug #741775 in unity: “Launcher icon progress-bar too big for a ... | https://launchpad.net/bugs/741775 | May 04 18:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Chromium Daily adds Unity progress bar and badge support | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/chromium-daily-adds-unity-progress-bar/ | May 04 18:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Promote "Software Center Progress bar for installing Programs in ... | http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/27571/promote/ | May 04 18:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal) Has Been Released « Che Dean's Weblog | http://chedean.com/2011/04/28/ubuntu-11-04-natty-narwhal-has-been-released/ | May 04 18:25 |
| schestowitz | barnieg: all the "open source" companies rebrand as "cloud" | May 04 18:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: Can apps and a refresh at I/O 2011 save #Google TV? http://goo.gl/q8rnV | May 04 18:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Wednesday's security updates http://lwn.net/Articles/441389/rss | May 04 18:26 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Androinica » Can apps and a refresh at I/O 2011 save Google TV? .::. Size~: 48.86 KB | May 04 18:26 |
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| GoForbes28 | !cloud computing stupidity | May 04 18:26 |
| GoForbes28 | !google cloud computing stupidity | May 04 18:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Stallman: Cloud computing is 'stupidity' | Business Tech - CNET News | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10054253-92.html | May 04 18:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Cloud Computing Is for Stupid People - Richard Stallman | Open ... | http://opensource.sys-con.com/node/692407 | May 04 18:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Stallman calls cloud computing stupid | http://www.businessinsider.com/2008/9/gnu-founder-richard-stallman-cloud-computing-worse-than-stupidity- | May 04 18:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Why Stallman is wrong when he calls cloud computing stupid | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2008/09/why-stallman-is-wrong-when-he-calls-cloud-computing-stupid.ars | May 04 18:26 |
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| schestowitz | And 451 Group also starts moving into the whole "cloud" thing to stay relevant (=make money) | May 04 18:26 |
| schestowitz | !google "fog computing" | May 04 18:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Fog Computing | What a n00b! | http://whatan00b.com/fog-computing | May 04 18:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - deal architect : Larry Ellisons Fog Computing | http://dealarchitect.typepad.com/deal_architect/2009/09/larry-ellisons-fog-computing.html | May 04 18:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - SIOS Insider: When Cloud Computing Becomes Fog Computing; Seeing ... | http://steeleye.blogs.com/weblog/2008/11/when-cloud-computing-becomes-fog-computing-seeing-through-the-shroud.html | May 04 18:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Novell's Future in Fog Computing | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2010/05/26/cloud-computing-novell/ | May 04 18:26 |
| GoForbes28 | !google fog computing surrendering your data | May 04 18:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - The Ultimate Jailbreaker, Part 1 | http://www.technewsworld.com/rsstory/70679.html | May 04 18:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Google to sell subscriptions to Chrome OS notebooks? • The ... | http://m.forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2011/04/21/chrome_os_subscription_fee_rumor/ | May 04 18:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Rome: Total War Cheats, Walkthroughs, FAQs, Codes, Hints - PC | http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/rometotalwar/cheats.html | May 04 18:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Officials say unarmed bin Laden had chance to surrender - Vallejo ... | http://www.timesheraldonline.com/ci_17988918 | May 04 18:27 |
| GoForbes28 | well, that didn't work :O | May 04 18:27 |
| schestowitz | bin laden? | May 04 18:27 |
| schestowitz | We don't do politics here :-0) | May 04 18:27 |
| barnieg | schestowitz: its all the Microsoft consultants jumping on the cloud without mentioning opensource or linux and pretending both dont exist | May 04 18:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Chromium blog: Updating JavaScript Benchmarks for Modern Browsers http://goo.gl/UvXsI | May 04 18:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Jorge Castro: Mobile support for !UDS http://goo.gl/ZHXrE | May 04 18:27 | |
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| GoForbes28 | !google cloud computing giving away your data | May 04 18:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Is Your Data Safe In The Cloud? - CIO Central - CIO Network - Forbes | http://blogs.forbes.com/ciocentral/2011/03/16/is-your-data-safe-in-the-cloud/ | May 04 18:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Cloud Computing - Using Software and Storing Data on the Internet | http://www.english-online.at/technology/cloud-computing/cloud-computing-applications.htm | May 04 18:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Cloud Computing: Is Midori Sour or Sweet? | PCWorld | http://www.pcworld.com/article/149516/cloud_computing_is_midori_sour_or_sweet.html | May 04 18:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Cloud Computing | EMR and EHR | http://www.emrandehr.com/tag/cloud-computing/ | May 04 18:28 |
| barnieg | what do these people think "the cloud" runs on? | May 04 18:28 |
| schestowitz | LUNIX | May 04 18:28 |
| schestowitz | At Microsoft is runs on vapour | May 04 18:28 |
| schestowitz | *it | May 04 18:28 |
| GoForbes28 | !google Microsoft Linux | May 04 18:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Microsoft Linux - the premier linux distro | http://www.mslinux.org/ | May 04 18:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - When will Microsoft sue Google over Linux? | The Open Road - CNET News | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10458849-16.html | May 04 18:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Microsoft Patches Linux; Linus Responds | Linux Magazine | http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7439/ | May 04 18:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - What is in those Microsoft Linux patent agreements? | ZDNet | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/what-is-in-those-microsoft-linux-patent-agreements/6378 | May 04 18:28 |
| schestowitz | AZune Fog | May 04 18:28 |
| GoForbes28 | Pollution computing | May 04 18:29 |
| schestowitz | PC? | May 04 18:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Ubuntu User: !Canonical Introduces 'Ubuntu Friendly' Open Hardware Validation Program http://goo.gl/UYmu2 | May 04 18:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Chris Johnston: !Ubuntu Developer Summit http://goo.gl/UxRv2 | May 04 18:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @zyth !openmoko !freerunner Community Updates/2011-05-01 (Period 2011-03-01 to 2011-04-30) -->> http://ur1.ca/42xxd | May 04 18:29 | |
| GoForbes28 | lol | May 04 18:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Canonical Introduces 'Ubuntu Friendly' Open Hardware Validation Program / Amber Graner: You in Ubuntu / Blogs / Online / Home - Ubuntu User .::. Size~: 91.35 KB | May 04 18:29 |
| GoForbes28 | didn't see that | May 04 18:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ubuntu Developer Summit | chrisjohnston.org .::. Size~: 37.08 KB | May 04 18:29 |
| barnieg | http://www.sme7.com/sme/ an example of whats being promoted to SMEs | May 04 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | is SME 7 better than SME Vista? | May 04 18:30 |
| GoForbes28 | Are apples better than apples? | May 04 18:30 |
| barnieg | Aparently its better than everthing and will fix the country at the same time! | May 04 18:31 |
| barnieg | :) | May 04 18:31 |
| GoForbes28 | !google Windows 7 nuclear failure | May 04 18:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - YouTube - Japan Nuclear Failure Explained.- STUXNET! | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DOIq_6D4aTN8 | May 04 18:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The Adelaide Review - Nuclear failure sidelines Australia | http://www.adelaidereview.com.au/article/595 | May 04 18:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - TVA: Valve failure at Ala. nuke plant not a threat - Business ... | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42421362/ns/business-going_green/ | May 04 18:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - LankaWeb – Can we be without nuclear power? | http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2011/04/14/can-we-be-without-nuclear-power/ | May 04 18:31 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: Have you changed your wiki page yet? | May 04 18:32 |
| schestowitz | barnieg: ah,. solution for problem | May 04 18:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Bradley M. Kuhn: #Mono Developers Losing Jobs Isn't Good http://goo.gl/V4GIB !gnu | May 04 18:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Oracle proposes giving Hudson to Eclipse Foundation http://lwn.net/Articles/441395/rss | May 04 18:34 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mono Developers Losing Jobs Isn't Good - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) .::. Size~: 19.87 KB | May 04 18:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Oracle proposes giving Hudson to Eclipse Foundation [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 6.23 KB | May 04 18:34 |
| schestowitz | "We have a rough time. Microsoft understands. Let us offer you cost savings, Cameron" | May 04 18:34 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: which one/s? | May 04 18:35 |
| GoForbes28 | just your user page | May 04 18:35 |
| GoForbes28 | It needs contact info | May 04 18:35 |
| GoForbes28 | so LiberalViewer isn't left dazed and confused | May 04 18:35 |
| barnieg | schestowitz: The Government think going to the big suppliers and consultancys is the way to fix the problem rather than looking at really fixing the problems | May 04 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I see, GoForbes28 | May 04 18:37 |
| schestowitz | I've deleted 5 spam and now I see your edit | May 04 18:37 |
| GoForbes28 | barnieg: It will fix the problem, because hopefully people realize that voting the same way doesn't work and will vote for something better | May 04 18:37 |
| GoForbes28 | oh yeah. the article | May 04 18:37 |
| GoForbes28 | have to work on it | May 04 18:37 |
| *_Goblin (~sabayonus@94-193-188-104.zone7.bethere.co.uk) has joined #techrights | May 04 18:37 | |
| GoForbes28 | _Goblin! | May 04 18:37 |
| _Goblin | :) | May 04 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Hey, _Goblin! | May 04 18:37 |
| GoForbes28 | What's your first name? | May 04 18:37 |
| _Goblin | Tim | May 04 18:37 |
| schestowitz | We were just talking about you | May 04 18:37 |
| barnieg | http://www.flax.co.uk/blog/2011/03/18/government-it-a-closed-shop-to-smes-and-oss/ | May 04 18:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: UK Government IT – a closed shop to SMEs and OSS? .::. Size~: 21.05 KB | May 04 18:38 |
| GoForbes28 | Sorry, last name | May 04 18:38 |
| schestowitz | We try to get more people lined up for the show as guests | May 04 18:38 |
| _Goblin | ah...don't give the last name out.... | May 04 18:38 |
| _Goblin | lets say..... | May 04 18:38 |
| GoForbes28 | I have LiberalViewer in my mind | May 04 18:38 |
| _Goblin | fergesson | May 04 18:38 |
| GoForbes28 | I'm sending him an email | May 04 18:38 |
| schestowitz | furrr :-) | May 04 18:38 |
| schestowitz | !google fergie london bridge | May 04 18:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - YouTube - Fergie-London Bridge | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dpu7VaGRjH9w | May 04 18:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - YouTube - London Bridge - Fergie [Official Video] | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DS_FGXii8v3U | May 04 18:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - FERGIE - LONDON BRIDGE LYRICS | http://www.metrolyrics.com/london-bridge-lyrics-fergie.html | May 04 18:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - London Bridge (song) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Bridge_(song) | May 04 18:38 |
| GoForbes28 | and it kinda looks weird to have "Dr. Roy Schestowtiz" and "'Goblin | May 04 18:39 |
| GoForbes28 | ', also known as Tim" in the same sentence | May 04 18:39 |
| barnieg | http://www.westminsterforumprojects.co.uk/forums/event.php?eid=261 can anyone here get to that event? | May 04 18:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Westminster Forum Projects | Westminster eForum | Efficiency in the public sector .::. Size~: 14.97 KB | May 04 18:40 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: *witz | May 04 18:40 |
| schestowitz | means joke | May 04 18:40 |
| _Goblin | How about a scener title...? T1m{G0b1n} | May 04 18:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @th3k4ty: now that i have been using mint for a few weeks i feel somehow not challenged enough by it. thought linux to be more complicated | May 04 18:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @toros Bradley M. Kuhn: #Mono Developers Losing Jobs Isn't Good http://goo.gl/V4GIB !gnu | May 04 18:41 | |
| _Goblin | now im l337 | May 04 18:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mono Developers Losing Jobs Isn't Good - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) .::. Size~: 19.87 KB | May 04 18:41 |
| GoForbes28 | YOur last name isn't Schestowitz? | May 04 18:41 |
| schestowitz | barnieg: will the Westminster Forum get cracked or have trolls? | May 04 18:41 |
| schestowitz | It is | May 04 18:41 |
| schestowitz | You misspelled it, just wanted to make sure it's not a repeatable error | May 04 18:42 |
| barnieg | Not likey but it has people like Mark Taylor of Sirius there who has talked at length on the problems OSS has in the public sector | May 04 18:42 |
| _Goblin | btw fyi roy....there is a good chance Flatf## is here under a different nym....either that or he's very quick on studying the IRC logs..... | May 04 18:42 |
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| _Goblin | Hello Flatty | May 04 18:42 |
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| _Goblin | sorry, not you tessier | May 04 18:43 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: I'll mend the linkage in the wiki | May 04 18:43 |
| GoForbes28 | gotcha | May 04 18:43 |
| GoForbes28 | on your userpage? | May 04 18:43 |
| schestowitz | See the changes | May 04 18:43 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=How_Windows_is_used_to_suppress_activists&diff=6139&oldid=6138 | May 04 18:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: How Windows is used to suppress activists - Techrights .::. Size~: 22.47 KB | May 04 18:43 |
| schestowitz | barnieg: you said forum, I made a joke | May 04 18:44 |
| schestowitz | Workshop or colloquium might sound better | May 04 18:44 |
| *aleksandar (4511f9bc@gateway/web/freenode/ip.69.17.249.188) has joined #techrights | May 04 18:45 | |
| schestowitz | Hi, alek | May 04 18:45 |
| barnieg | schestowitz: went over my head I was at training this morning and my brain isnt on full capacity :) | May 04 18:45 |
| schestowitz | maybe it needs more RAM | May 04 18:46 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: seen the latest episode of Rusty? | May 04 18:46 |
| schestowitz | He says hypePad needs over 1GB of RAM | May 04 18:46 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOlabTjES9g | May 04 18:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - The iWorld EP 020: Part 1 : We be back : Best South Park Ever! : iPhone 5 vs iPhone 4s? : GLITCH!! .::. Size~: 66.61 KB | May 04 18:47 |
| GoForbes28 | and slave workers | May 04 18:47 |
| schestowitz | that too | May 04 18:47 |
| schestowitz | Without masks | May 04 18:47 |
| schestowitz | It gets in their way seeing stuff and reducing producivity :-) | May 04 18:47 |
| aleksandar | Hi Roy... just finished visiting the new website of ur burgeoning media empire. Nice. | May 04 18:48 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: no I havent yet....I'll take a look | May 04 18:48 |
| schestowitz | aleksandar: it's _Goblin's | May 04 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Blame him! :-D | May 04 18:49 |
| aleksandar | Blame Goblin, hes Canadian!!! | May 04 18:49 |
| schestowitz | He is | May 04 18:49 |
| aleksandar | Still cant believe that South Park got 14 Tony nominations for putting that Mormon episode | May 04 18:49 |
| schestowitz | He doesn't know it yet | May 04 18:49 |
| schestowitz | Mormons are abundant at Novell | May 04 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Not as much as they used to be... after attachMSFT's layoffs | May 04 18:50 |
| schestowitz | Affecting Provo mostly | May 04 18:50 |
| _Goblin | yep blame me.... | May 04 18:51 |
| aleksandar | SCO done, Novell done.... I dont think I will ever hear the word Utah again | May 04 18:51 |
| schestowitz | The Thinking Atheist published this one recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd-RKWYTXI8 | May 04 18:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Diary of an Ex-Mormon .::. Size~: 118.93 KB | May 04 18:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[piracy/@piracy] Bradley #Manning's jail conditions improve dramatically after protest campaign http://ur1.ca/42y0n #tpn #wikileaks #whistleblower | May 04 18:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] "svn ci" always make me happy.... feeling happy now.. | May 04 18:52 | |
| aleksandar | I know I asked earlier: Goblin: are u going to run ur videos only from the site or are you also going to put them on youtube? | May 04 18:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 302 Found | May 04 18:52 |
| schestowitz | aleksandar: and Winter Olympics are not coming back there for a while, either | May 04 18:53 |
| GoForbes28 | _Goblin: You aren't CAnadian | May 04 18:53 |
| _Goblin | I don't think so. | May 04 18:53 |
| schestowitz | What are Canadians? | May 04 18:53 |
| _Goblin | Might have a distant relative that is. | May 04 18:53 |
| schestowitz | The British Monarchy owns them :-p | May 04 18:53 |
| schestowitz | And the US instructs it | May 04 18:53 |
| schestowitz | Harper smiles and puts glasses on when he needs to look smart | May 04 18:54 |
| aleksandar | notice my canuck IP and I still agree with u 100% | May 04 18:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @fabsh ♺ @th3k4ty: now that i have been using mint for a few weeks i feel somehow not challenged enough by it. thought linux to be mo ... | May 04 18:54 | |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: Well, when you put it that way... | May 04 18:54 |
| aleksandar | canadian politics proves that all uneed to do is cahge labels and people will vote for u | May 04 18:54 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: exaggerating on purpose | May 04 18:54 |
| schestowitz | Of course, that is changing | May 04 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Vancouver absorbs a lot of the Asian smart folks | May 04 18:55 |
| schestowitz | And Toronto also has a lot of people from East Europe, which is good | May 04 18:55 |
| schestowitz | So Canada is becoming a melting pot like the US | May 04 18:55 |
| schestowitz | And NAFTA makes them one | May 04 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Maybe BC and even Quebec will one day be US states | May 04 18:55 |
| aleksandar | The conservatives now are NOT the Progressive Conservative party that was over 125yrs old.. | May 04 18:56 |
| schestowitz | In the interests of "unity" | May 04 18:56 |
| aleksandar | ...they were for 2 decades a fringe right wing party called Alliance and then reform party. | May 04 18:56 |
| schestowitz | [18:54] <aleksandar> canadian politics proves that all uneed to do is cahge labels and people will vote for u | May 04 18:56 |
| aleksandar | They helped shutdown the real conservatives, took the name and voila... | May 04 18:56 |
| schestowitz | But you can label and stereotype some | May 04 18:56 |
| schestowitz | "National Socialists" won't work anymore, let alone "Socialists" | May 04 18:57 |
| GoForbes28 | aleksander: Preston Manning is appealing now | May 04 18:57 |
| GoForbes28 | as a prime minister | May 04 18:57 |
| schestowitz | "Green" is hip right now, even if it's not about the environment (money in the US is also green) | May 04 18:57 |
| GoForbes28 | I would rather him than Harper any day of the year | May 04 18:57 |
| aleksandar | Goforbes: what was the name of the guy after Manning... it escapes me... | May 04 18:58 |
| aleksandar | Roy: BP is green too u know | May 04 18:58 |
| schestowitz | and yellow | May 04 19:00 |
| schestowitz | like sunflower oil | May 04 19:00 |
| schestowitz | Oil is not black | May 04 19:00 |
| aleksandar | And propane has no smell.... | May 04 19:00 |
| schestowitz | !google greenwashing | May 04 19:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Greenwashing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Greenwashing | May 04 19:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The EnviroMedia Greenwashing Index – Home | http://www.greenwashingindex.com/ | May 04 19:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - The Sins of Greenwashing: Home and Family Edition | http://sinsofgreenwashing.org/ | May 04 19:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Greenwashing - SourceWatch | http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php%3Ftitle%3DGreenwashing | May 04 19:01 |
| schestowitz | !google sludge astroturfing | May 04 19:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Astroturf - SourceWatch | http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php%3Ftitle%3DAstroturf | May 04 19:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Portal:Front groups - SourceWatch | http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php%3Ftitle%3DPortal:Front_groups | May 04 19:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Corporate-Funded Online 'Astroturfing' Threatens to Destroy Open ... | http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_22650.cfm | May 04 19:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - astroturf | Center for Media and Democracy | http://www.prwatch.org/taxonomy/term/110%3Fpage%3D1 | May 04 19:01 |
| GoForbes28 | Aleksander: Stockwell Day | May 04 19:01 |
| schestowitz | !google "coal is green" | May 04 19:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Peabody Coal Company argues that coal is “green coal” and “clean ... | http://dangerousintersection.org/2010/05/08/peabody-coal-company-argues-that-coal-is-%25E2%2580%259Cgreen-coal%25E2%2580%259D-and-%25E2%2580%259Cclean-coal%25E2%2580%259D/ | May 04 19:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The EnviroMedia Greenwashing Index – Ads - Coal: Pennsylvania's ... | http://www.greenwashingindex.com/ad_single.php%3Fid%3D971 | May 04 19:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Greenwash: Fred Pearce on why 'clean coal' is the ultimate climate ... | http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/feb/26/greenwash-clean-coal | May 04 19:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Future of Coal Is Green, Say Montana and West Virginia - by James ... | http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/18244/Future_of_Coal_Is_Green_Say_Montana_and_West_Virginia.html%3FEmail%3Dyes | May 04 19:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Natty Narwhal: the First #Linux for Newbies? http://is.gd/P1ehGo gnubies? #unity #ubuntu | May 04 19:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] consolekit is to be going away; c'mon linux devs, stop changing significant parts of the stack on whim every year. | May 04 19:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] in better news, the new rendered-by-the-compositor shadows for panels look and work very nicely. go !kwin | May 04 19:02 | |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: can you do a 10 minute recording with me to release jono's interview? | May 04 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Natty Narwhal: the First Linux for Newbies? | PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 87.04 KB | May 04 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Need to do opening and song intro | May 04 19:03 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: funny I was just doing a little PR re: that interview! | May 04 19:03 |
| _Goblin | just dented it! | May 04 19:04 |
| schestowitz | good | May 04 19:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] How did this http://tinyurl.com/ykayqb2 crop up in a guest interview on !techbytes ! Watch the latest episode...coming soon.. | May 04 19:04 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Megadeth-Hangar 18(Studio Version) .::. Size~: 112.03 KB | May 04 19:04 |
| schestowitz | But I would not call it PR | May 04 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Cause you promote your own work | May 04 19:04 |
| schestowitz | PR is usualyl treated as an occupation for outsiders | May 04 19:04 |
| schestowitz | PR is another term for "propaganda" (renamed) | May 04 19:05 |
| _Goblin | Public Recording? | May 04 19:05 |
| _Goblin | techbytes is public | May 04 19:05 |
| _Goblin | it is recorded | May 04 19:05 |
| _Goblin | ...... | May 04 19:05 |
| _Goblin | just wanting to see if a certain lurker here jumps on that..... | May 04 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Megadrive song :-) | May 04 19:07 |
| schestowitz | Is it from Sonic? | May 04 19:07 |
| _Goblin | Sonic? | May 04 19:08 |
| _Goblin | Jono: I know you are busy - I don't expect a reply....Since you love metal, how about fusing opera, metal and classical music together? Check these guys out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qWB4izxuBM | May 04 19:09 |
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| Ender_nothome | imo its terrible | May 04 19:10 |
| _Goblin | what Sonic? | May 04 19:11 |
| Ender_nothome | watching my country change | May 04 19:11 |
| _Goblin | change is an inevitable part of the passage of time..... | May 04 19:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Just added a like box in my homepage http://narendrasisodiya.com | May 04 19:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] By tab would be nice RT @beltzner: New in Firefox nightlies: about:memory, which lets you know who's using what: http://grab.by/a2Lh | May 04 19:12 | |
| Ender_nothome | the toronto area gets the socialist vote (ndp, or liberals) due to the eastern european migration there | May 04 19:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Home | Narendra Sisodiya .::. Size~: 14.68 KB | May 04 19:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: TinyGrab - Simple. Screenshot. Sharing. .::. Size~: 9.4 KB | May 04 19:12 |
| _Goblin | I sounded a little like Dr Spock from StarTrek there. | May 04 19:13 |
| aleksandar | Ender: its the fault of the commies? Are you gonna blame drugs on blacks too? | May 04 19:13 |
| Ender_nothome | drugs I would blame on the CIA | May 04 19:14 |
| GoForbes28 | _Goblin: Lol, you did | May 04 19:14 |
| Ender_nothome | I keep blaming communists incorrectly | May 04 19:14 |
| Ender_nothome | lol | May 04 19:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Approaches to Mobile Web Development Part 1 – What is Mobile Friendliness? http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2011/05/04/approaches-to-mobile-we | May 04 19:14 | |
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| Ender_nothome | communists, socialists and progressives are tools for globalists | May 04 19:14 |
| Ender_nothome | the right wing is there to make them look good | May 04 19:16 |
| Ender_nothome | bush was so miserable people worshipped obama, who is essentially the same thing | May 04 19:17 |
| Ender_nothome | in an ideal world we wouldnt need to vote for crooks, we'd have the ability to vote for every bill ourselves | May 04 19:19 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: Is your contact info up now? | May 04 19:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] RT @bkuhn #Orcale's subpoena of the #Apache Software Foundation reminds vividly me of when #SCO subpoena the !FSF: http://ur1.ca/42xoy ... | May 04 19:21 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The SCO Subpoena of FSF .::. Size~: 16.35 KB | May 04 19:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Shit. Tricia Helfer. Looks different in Warehouse 13. Oo | May 04 19:22 | |
| barnieg | http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/227018/microsoftrim_alliance_is_no_easy_boost_for_blackberry_brand.html | May 04 19:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Microsoft-RIM Alliance Is No Easy Boost for BlackBerry Brand | PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 80.42 KB | May 04 19:23 |
| barnieg | http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/03/woz_talks_patents_and_soup/ | May 04 19:25 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: it's in many places in my personal site | May 04 19:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Woz snubs Paul Allen, praises pea soup • The Register .::. Size~: 27.1 KB | May 04 19:25 |
| GoForbes28 | selling your soul is never easy | May 04 19:25 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: With twitter, identi, and email? | May 04 19:26 |
| schestowitz | in techrights too, but scarcely because it's a community site and people should use IRC | May 04 19:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] http://advocacy.globalvoicesonline.org/2011/04/14/over-the-firewall-and-into-the-fire/ | May 04 19:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Red Hat to hand off Enterprise Linux 6.1 RC1 at summit this week http://is.gd/1F27xl #redhat should also explain its latest #acacia deal | May 04 19:26 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Over the Firewall and into the Fire - Global Voices Advocacy .::. Size~: 83.17 KB | May 04 19:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Red Hat to hand off Enterprise Linux 6.1 RC1 at summit this week | ZDNet .::. Size~: 104.29 KB | May 04 19:26 |
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| schestowitz | barnieg: seen that | May 04 19:26 |
| GoForbes28 | I'm recommended that LV does that | May 04 19:26 |
| schestowitz | Someone mailed me this 20 mins ago | May 04 19:26 |
| schestowitz | hi, hbons | May 04 19:26 |
| Ender_nothome | GoForbes28 - If I had voted I'd have voted CPC | May 04 19:26 |
| hbons | hello | May 04 19:26 |
| schestowitz | CPR? | May 04 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Canadian Party of Communism? | May 04 19:27 |
| schestowitz | CrackPots Party? | May 04 19:27 |
| Ender_nothome | conservative party | May 04 19:27 |
| GoForbes28 | CPR is appropriate, since that what Canada will need in the next 5 years | May 04 19:27 |
| Ender_nothome | strategically to keep the NDP out | May 04 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Co** Pu*** Co**? | May 04 19:27 |
| GoForbes28 | or rather at the end of 5 years | May 04 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Communist Putin Communist I meant.. :-) | May 04 19:28 |
| Ender_nothome | there are 2 openly communist parties in Canada | May 04 19:28 |
| Ender_nothome | the Communist Party, and the Marxist-Leninist Communist Party | May 04 19:28 |
| Ender_nothome | ML got 252 votes in my area | May 04 19:28 |
| schestowitz | Does it promote Goulag? | May 04 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Or just the "good bits"? :-) | May 04 19:29 |
| Ender_nothome | Trudeau thought the siberian goulag's were a good idea ;) | May 04 19:29 |
| GoForbes28 | Is marijuana legalization communism? | May 04 19:29 |
| schestowitz | How so? | May 04 19:29 |
| Ender_nothome | goforbes28 no | May 04 19:29 |
| GoForbes28 | Yay | May 04 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Communism has a stance on drugs in its core? | May 04 19:29 |
| Ender_nothome | goforbes28 not talking about the marijuana party | May 04 19:29 |
| GoForbes28 | 90 days, then its legal | May 04 19:30 |
| GoForbes28 | seriously | May 04 19:30 |
| schestowitz | MP? | May 04 19:30 |
| Ender_nothome | goforbes28 that happened a few years back too | May 04 19:30 |
| schestowitz | marijuana party has several ways to read its name | May 04 19:30 |
| Ender_nothome | they were very quick about it | May 04 19:30 |
| GoForbes28 | if nobody does anything, marijuana will become legal by default in canada | May 04 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Global Mail: "Harper joins marijuana party" | May 04 19:30 |
| schestowitz | Or Globe and Mail | May 04 19:30 |
| GoForbes28 | Or Canwest | May 04 19:31 |
| GoForbes28 | Or Shaw | May 04 19:31 |
| schestowitz | Sure, Sure.. | May 04 19:31 |
| GoForbes28 | I think marijuanna would definitely help weather the harper majority | May 04 19:31 |
| GoForbes28 | It may even give the illusion of him having life | May 04 19:31 |
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| GoForbes28 | or any emotion whatsover | May 04 19:32 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: Just one contact page would be nice | May 04 19:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Tiny Core Linux 3.6 brings improved installer http://is.gd/WxdAfC #tinycore #gnu #linux | May 04 19:32 | |
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| GoForbes28 | I coulda sent this email an hour ago | May 04 19:32 |
| Ender_nothome | maybe harper will be able to get rid of the census! | May 04 19:33 |
| Ender_nothome | woot | May 04 19:33 |
| GoForbes28 | he already has | May 04 19:33 |
| GoForbes28 | what a joke | May 04 19:33 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: it's in schestowitz.com/roy | May 04 19:34 |
| GoForbes28 | "Please volunteer for the census" | May 04 19:34 |
| schestowitz | it's easy to find my email addy | May 04 19:34 |
| Ender_nothome | he just got rid of the forced survey | May 04 19:34 |
| GoForbes28 | identi and twitter too? | May 04 19:34 |
| schestowitz | !google roy schestowitz email | May 04 19:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Roy Schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/roy/ | May 04 19:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Interview with Dr Roy Schestowitz of TechRights « OpenBytes | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/interview-with-dr-roy-schestowitz-of-techrights/ | May 04 19:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Roy Schestowitz Registrant Street1:Sir Charles Groves Hall Domains | http://whois.pho.to/roy_schestowitz_registrant_street1sir_charles_groves_hall/ | May 04 19:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Re: [Roy Schestowitz twists another news story to suit his agenda ... | http://fixunix.com/linux/355036-re-%255Broy-schestowitz-twists-another-news-story-suit-his-agenda%255D-%255Brival%255D-microsoft-fails-evolve-approaches-debt-%255Bnews%255D-%255Brival%255D-microsoft-fails-evolve-approaches-debt.html | May 04 19:34 |
| GoForbes28 | Ender: Still better than identity card | May 04 19:34 |
| GoForbes28 | s | May 04 19:34 |
| Ender_nothome | it should be volunteer | May 04 19:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] How #Linux Was Announced to the World in 1991 [pic] http://is.gd/xTzMCC not really, as Google Groups did not exist at the time | May 04 19:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Sony responds to #Congress: all 77 million #PSN accounts compromised, finger pointed at #Anonymous http://ping.fm/5BLBR | May 04 19:34 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Sony responds to Congress: all 77 million PSN accounts compromised, finger pointed at Anonymous -- Engadget .::. Size~: 63.3 KB | May 04 19:34 |
| GoForbes28 | no ender, it shouldn't | May 04 19:34 |
| Ender_nothome | yes it should | May 04 19:34 |
| Ender_nothome | privacy | May 04 19:34 |
| GoForbes28 | !google Stallman identity cards | May 04 19:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Richard Stallman's Personal Page | http://stallman.org/ | May 04 19:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The Sinister Publisher - Richard Stallman | http://stallman.org/sinister-publisher.html | May 04 19:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - 2009: March - June Political Notes - Richard Stallman | http://stallman.org/archives/2009-mar-jun.html | May 04 19:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Richard Stallman: Free software costs the environment less | eWEEK ... | http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/interview/interview-green-it/richard-stallman-free-software-costs-the-environment-less-403 | May 04 19:34 |
| GoForbes28 | The only way to match the manditory census in accuracy is to issue identiy cards to all citizens | May 04 19:35 |
| GoForbes28 | which is worse in every way for privacy | May 04 19:35 |
| GoForbes28 | a voluntary census is a joke | May 04 19:35 |
| Ender_nothome | lol | May 04 19:36 |
| Ender_nothome | so its either totalitarianism or nothing? | May 04 19:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Acer could launch a 7 inch !Android tablet in June - Liliputing http://ping.fm/b4Qk3 | May 04 19:36 | |
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| GoForbes28 | no, it's tracking, or not tracking | May 04 19:36 |
| GoForbes28 | The people who will volunteer are more likely to be biased towards something | May 04 19:37 |
| GoForbes28 | so you have a smaller number participating, who are more biased | May 04 19:37 |
| GoForbes28 | what a winning formula | May 04 19:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Xubuntu 11.04: Solid, Sleek, and Speedy | Linux.com http://ping.fm/69kS2 | May 04 19:37 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | May 04 19:37 |
| GoForbes28 | And with this inaccurate information, either A) It shows the Harper gov't in a more positive light then it should, or B) It doesn't, to which the Harper Gov't will dismiss as being inaccurate | May 04 19:38 |
| GoForbes28 | They will use it if helps them, and disgard it when it doesn't | May 04 19:39 |
| GoForbes28 | Fundamental attribution error, pure and simple | May 04 19:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] GL Announces Linux Drivers & APIs http://is.gd/oo1GpH Good for #Linux | May 04 19:39 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: GL Announces Linux Drivers & APIs - Press Release - Digital Journal .::. Size~: 32.83 KB | May 04 19:39 |
| barnieg | talking of Xubuntu I tried Lubuntu the other day in a VM install and have to say it gave it seemed to be very polished | May 04 19:39 |
| GoForbes28 | I really dislike LXDE | May 04 19:40 |
| GoForbes28 | Really, use XFCE with openbox, and you basically have LXDE | May 04 19:40 |
| GoForbes28 | I would go as far as to say that Thunar is more lightweight than the LXDE file manager | May 04 19:40 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: want to record around 8pm? | May 04 19:41 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin has started a new project: GNU MEDIAGOBLIN: FREE AND DECENTRALIZED MEDIA SHARING IN DEVELOPMENT | May 04 19:41 |
| schestowitz | http://mediagoblin.org/2011/05/gnu-mediagoblin-free-and-decentralized-media-sharing-in-development/ | May 04 19:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: GNU MediaGoblin: GNU MEDIAGOBLIN: FREE AND DECENTRALIZED MEDIA SHARING IN DEVELOPMENT Archives .::. Size~: 9.77 KB | May 04 19:41 |
| schestowitz | His own GNU-esque fork of Bytes Media | May 04 19:41 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: sure, would love to! | May 04 19:42 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: Sweet....I'll get myself sorted... | May 04 19:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Celebrating 20 years of #linux: The Story of Slackware: http://bit.ly/jhn6KK | May 04 19:43 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | May 04 19:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] What is WinC++? (Ziff): http://zd.net/iG1pam | May 04 19:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Intel’s FINFET Transistors Increase Microprocessor Speed - NYTimes.com http://ping.fm/7MGqQ | May 04 19:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] MedicalJustice: Stifling Speech of Patients with a Touch of "Privacy Blackmail" https://eff.org/r.469 | May 04 19:47 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Medical Justice: Stifling Speech of Patients with a Touch of "Privacy Blackmail" | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 22.67 KB | May 04 19:47 |
| GoForbes28 | sent the email to LiberalViewer | May 04 19:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[bgiltrap/@bgiltrap] http://bit.ly/ffUQvW ZTE becomes world's 4th largest manufacturer, Android is top OS | May 04 19:49 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: ZTE becomes world's 4th largest manufacturer, Android is top OS - GSMArena.com news .::. Size~: 21.16 KB | May 04 19:49 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/sarahsmith328/status/65844856462913536 | May 04 19:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @sarahsmith328: @schestowitz RT "Novell's done so much to increase risk to #Linux users...Microsoft must be laughing loudly." Can I quote you in my article? | May 04 19:50 |
| schestowitz | PR student from Provo | May 04 19:50 |
| schestowitz | "Of course. I'd be happy if you did" | May 04 19:50 |
| schestowitz | She has just befrieended me | May 04 19:50 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: Do you want a copy of the email? | May 04 19:51 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/noyesk/status/65839223487463425 | May 04 19:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @noyesk: RT @schestowitz #Natty Narwhal: the First #Linux for Newbies? http://is.gd/P1ehGo gnubies? #unity #ubuntu <-- Nice: "GNUbies"! | May 04 19:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: Natty Narwhal: the First Linux for Newbies? | PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 87.05 KB | May 04 19:51 |
| schestowitz | It wasn't my invention :-) | May 04 19:51 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: Do you want a copy of the email? | May 04 19:53 |
| GoForbes28 | anyway? | May 04 19:53 |
| schestowitz | zombie troll for mono wakes up http://identi.ca/notice/72668731 | May 04 19:53 |
| schestowitz | An account that only ever wakes up to do mono PR | May 04 19:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @rclayton's status on Wednesday, 04-May-11 18:48:58 UTC - Identi.ca: @bkuhn this is a dent I wish trolls like @schestowitz would take to heart. | May 04 19:54 |
| schestowitz | by attacking people like me | May 04 19:54 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: yes, thanks | May 04 19:54 |
| schestowitz | You can tell him I'm a long-term channel sub of his | May 04 19:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft promises OAuth 2.0 support in future version of Messenger Connect (WinRumors): http://bit.ly/iIQpdH | May 04 19:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to the !Miners server for a bit. Cracking open an Elephant Beer too. :) | May 04 19:57 | |
| GoForbes28 | uh, It's been sent, so unfortunately I can't add any more | May 04 19:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Woz Completely Changes Tune On #Patent Trolling From Just Months Ago http://bit.ly/mOKCjn confused? he was, you will be | May 04 19:59 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Woz Completely Changes Tune On Patent Trolling From Just Months Ago | Techdirt .::. Size~: 39.67 KB | May 04 19:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/05/medical-justice-stifling-speech-patients-touch | May 04 20:01 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Medical Justice: Stifling Speech of Patients with a Touch of "Privacy Blackmail" | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 22.67 KB | May 04 20:01 |
| GoForbes28 | wow | May 04 20:01 |
| GoForbes28 | "rclayton | May 04 20:01 |
| GoForbes28 | @goforbes28 I'm not sure why I should cry, that's Roy's thing. (notice him crying about some 15-year old "bullying" him)" | May 04 20:01 |
| GoForbes28 | he obviously doesn't understand sarcasm, or humour in general | May 04 20:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/05/medical-justice-stifling-speech-patients-touch | May 04 20:02 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Medical Justice: Stifling Speech of Patients with a Touch of "Privacy Blackmail" | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 22.67 KB | May 04 20:02 |
| schestowitz | :crying about some 15-year old "bullying" him)" | May 04 20:04 |
| schestowitz | LOL | May 04 20:04 |
| schestowitz | this trolls humours me | May 04 20:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pmctechblog/@pmctechblog] ♺ @schestowitz: GL Announces Linux Drivers & APIs http://is.gd/oo1GpH Good for #Linux | May 04 20:04 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: GL Announces Linux Drivers & APIs - Press Release - Digital Journal .::. Size~: 32.76 KB | May 04 20:04 |
| schestowitz | but some people ight not se the lie | May 04 20:04 |
| gnufreex | rclayton is a troll. | May 04 20:04 |
| schestowitz | mono one | May 04 20:04 |
| GoForbes28 | I like how he doesn't provide any evidence or a link | May 04 20:05 |
| GoForbes28 | Should I respond on that? | May 04 20:05 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/72668731 | May 04 20:05 |
| schestowitz | LOL | May 04 20:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @rclayton's status on Wednesday, 04-May-11 18:48:58 UTC - Identi.ca: @bkuhn this is a dent I wish trolls like @schestowitz would take to heart. | May 04 20:05 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: no | May 04 20:05 |
| schestowitz | it gives them hardon | May 04 20:05 |
| GoForbes28 | that's a picture I didn't need | May 04 20:05 |
| schestowitz | They usually get no attention and then vanish | May 04 20:05 |
| *katsrc (~quassel@cpe-69-203-198-189.nyc.res.rr.com) has joined #techrights | May 04 20:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Minnesota GOP leader declares war on Neil Gaiman http://ur1.ca/42ycz | May 04 20:06 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Minnesota GOP leader declares war on Neil Gaiman - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 109.23 KB | May 04 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sarahsmith328/status/65852261682778112 | May 04 20:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @sarahsmith328: @schestowitz Do you have any other comments? Some have compared Novell's strategy to Enron's...do you agree? | May 04 20:06 |
| _Goblin | you coming on schestowitz ? | May 04 20:07 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: Like the Nortel reference too | May 04 20:07 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: Nokia can also be related to Nortel | May 04 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Regarding the strategy -- no. They are not like Enron. But I once mentioned Enron in the context of Novell in http://techrights.org/2008/08/30/novell-securities-corruption/ | May 04 20:07 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Cinema, that plucky heroine, will always survive - http://bit.ly/jHq4kf course: the social experience of the film is crucial | May 04 20:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] New Canadian Prime Minister violated election laws http://ur1.ca/42yd7 | May 04 20:07 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Cinema, that plucky heroine, will always survive | Ryan Gilbey | Comment is free | The Guardian .::. Size~: 252.73 KB | May 04 20:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: New Canadian Prime Minister violated election laws - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 71.84 KB | May 04 20:07 |
| GoForbes28 | http://www.boingboing.net/2011/05/04/new-canadian-prime-m.html | May 04 20:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: New Canadian Prime Minister violated election laws - Boing Boing .::. Size~: 71.84 KB | May 04 20:08 |
| GoForbes28 | What a great start | May 04 20:08 |
| GoForbes28 | a voluntary meaningless census | May 04 20:08 |
| GoForbes28 | reports of ignoring a morotorium on boats off the BC coast | May 04 20:08 |
| GoForbes28 | and now this | May 04 20:09 |
| GoForbes28 | Yep, that Harper sure doesn't like do anything radical right now | May 04 20:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] During Budget Crisis, #Texas House Committee Passes Tax Break For Yacht Owners - you can't make this stuff up | May 04 20:09 | |
| schestowitz | The other concise comment I would make it that "Novell taught us that no matter the circumstances, Microsoft partners always end down below." | May 04 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Where will it be published? | May 04 20:10 |
| schestowitz | I wonder... | May 04 20:10 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: yes | May 04 20:10 |
| _Goblin | :) | May 04 20:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Re; my last dent....maybe it should have read: Watch out for the latest episode! !techbytes | May 04 20:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] \o/ | May 04 20:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] During Budget Crisis, #Texas House Committee Passes Tax Break For Yacht Owners - http://bit.ly/jh10nn you can't make this stuff up | May 04 20:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @Iain_31 Read The Daily #Election News ▸ today's top stories via @mradio @laurelrusswurm and @daltonldorne ▸ http://ur1.ca/42ye1 !cdnpoli | May 04 20:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Top 5 Open Source Alternatives to #Microsoft #Exchange http://is.gd/iGoV03 #gnu #linux #foss | May 04 20:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Does digital text create a cognitive gap? - http://oreil.ly/jrBsMM interesting point #ebooks | May 04 20:14 | |
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| GoForbes28 | Great quote: "I believe there's a difference between "freedom of communication" and "interfering with a federal election." While you do have the freedom to shout "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre, there are consequences." | May 04 20:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I've been having trouble getting into Twitter lately, even with noscript set to allow all globally. Disabling NoScript worked. #security ? | May 04 20:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @Alfresco: Good energy & buzz today at the @RedHatSummit, discussions around the next wave of open source content mgt #Alfresco | May 04 20:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Inevitabilul s-a produs: Android a devenit lider pe piaţa smartphone http://is.gd/05Jfh5 #android #linux #romania #mobile | May 04 20:17 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Inevitabilul s-a produs: Android a devenit lider pe piaţa smartphone | Ziarul Financiar .::. Size~: 43.86 KB | May 04 20:17 |
| Ender_nothome | goforbes28 the people who volunteer and are biased are the same people who want the census because it helps increase their welfare benefits | May 04 20:18 |
| Ender_nothome | imo, if I live in an area surrounded by poor people, the census data will be used by banks to increase my interest rates | May 04 20:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @RomaniaBizNews: Kaspersky Lab avertizeaza: Osama bin Laden infecteaza computerele din toata lumea :o) - http://is.gd/zdY9ie | May 04 20:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] 2-0 on the night, 4-0 overall to !ManUtd can't see Shalke coming back now !football | May 04 20:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] No, that would be a perfect democracy, impractical with this many people. We live in a representative democracy which is supposed to... | May 04 20:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linux_at_ibm: #IBM presents #SmartCloud for the Enterprise @RedHatSummit May 5, 4:20pm http://bit.ly/mO8MH8 #redhat #ibmcloud | May 04 20:19 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @regsecurity: Sony implicates Anonymous in PlayStation Network hack http://bit.ly/jTVXbN #security #sony | May 04 20:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Cryptic #poetry written in a microbe's #DNA - http://bit.ly/kdYvcT "can cause the organism it's implanted in to produce a viable protein" | May 04 20:21 | |
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| Ender_nothome | goforbes28 voting also puts you on the list for mandatory jury duty | May 04 20:21 |
| GoForbes28 | and? | May 04 20:22 |
| Ender_nothome | I don't want to miss a day of work | May 04 20:22 |
| Ender_nothome | to spend hours waiting bored in a courtroom | May 04 20:22 |
| GoForbes28 | You never know | May 04 20:23 |
| GoForbes28 | it could turn into the next 12 Angry Men | May 04 20:23 |
| Ender_nothome | they dont even reimburse you in full for the time you miss from work | May 04 20:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU unveils plans to pay fishermen to catch plastic - http://bit.ly/k27WIP yes, brilliant. I like this Maria #Damanaki: kudos to her | May 04 20:24 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: EU unveils plans to pay fishermen to catch plastic | Environment | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 130.84 KB | May 04 20:24 |
| GoForbes28 | I think that would be up to your employer | May 04 20:24 |
| Ender_nothome | most employers will go with the legal minimum | May 04 20:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I can see #Scholes being sent off tonight !United !Football | May 04 20:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Red Hat to hand off Enterprise Linux 6.1 RC1 at summit this week http://is.gd/1F27xl #redhat #linux #gnu #centos | May 04 20:26 | |
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| Ender_nothome | plus being on a jury would restrict my freedom to talk about the case to my friends | May 04 20:26 |
| Ender_nothome | in the end i just dont want to do it | May 04 20:26 |
| Ender_nothome | I hold the just-us system in contempt of humanity | May 04 20:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Damn it! Just died and lost all my stuff..... :/ | May 04 20:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @fabsh @mairin Saying #OBL wasn't human is a very dangerous and wrong notion. He was human, that's the scary part about it. | May 04 20:32 | |
| Ender_nothome | goforbes, whats your name | May 04 20:33 |
| GoForbes28 | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/User:GoForbes28 | May 04 20:37 |
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| GoForbes28 | Hi Gordon | May 04 20:38 |
| ThistleWeb | hey | May 04 20:38 |
| Ender_nothome | GoForbes28 - your name has REGO in it | May 04 20:40 |
| Ender_nothome | but thats your handle | May 04 20:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] make -j just improved my life a little bit !fs !unix | May 04 20:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Sent from my high-horse -- http://foocorp.net/horse/ | May 04 20:42 | |
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| GoForbes28 | Thistleweb how goes you? | May 04 20:45 |
| GoForbes28 | Ender: That's a stretch friend | May 04 20:45 |
| GoForbes28 | Ender: On this note, I assume you are big fan of 2001 A Space Odyssey? | May 04 20:46 |
| Ender_nothome | its an excellent source of allegory | May 04 20:49 |
| GoForbes28 | Thought so | May 04 20:49 |
| GoForbes28 | It in fact, is about nothing | May 04 20:49 |
| Ender_nothome | especially the darwinism they show you in the first scene | May 04 20:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is fabsh with 129 dents! | May 04 20:49 | |
| GoForbes28 | I watched 2010, pretty good movie | May 04 20:49 |
| Ender_nothome | the religion of the elite | May 04 20:49 |
| Ender_nothome | 2010 was good too | May 04 20:49 |
| GoForbes28 | anywho | May 04 20:50 |
| Ender_nothome | I saw that one first actually | May 04 20:50 |
| GoForbes28 | so thistleweb, what's up? | May 04 20:50 |
| ThistleWeb | nothing | May 04 20:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] This series is very steampunk. #Warehouse13 | May 04 20:51 | |
| GoForbes28 | still pining for tabs in Thunar? | May 04 20:51 |
| ThistleWeb | not really, I've given up on thunar | May 04 20:52 |
| MinceR | i'm looking for a good GUI folder-window-type file manager now | May 04 20:52 |
| Ender_nothome | dolphin & krusader | May 04 20:53 |
| GoForbes28 | MinceR: Thunar | May 04 20:53 |
| GoForbes28 | Thistleweb: That's a shame | May 04 20:53 |
| GoForbes28 | It really is quote good | May 04 20:53 |
| MinceR | i've tried nautilus, dolphin, thunar and rox-filer so far | May 04 20:53 |
| GoForbes28 | and has network access now | May 04 20:53 |
| MinceR | so far i think i like rox-filer the most | May 04 20:53 |
| ThistleWeb | I have grown attached to the elementary mod of nautilus which is apparently abandoned | May 04 20:53 |
| GoForbes28 | MinceR: xfe | May 04 20:53 |
| MinceR | i'll try xfe | May 04 20:54 |
| GoForbes28 | MinceR: The one with LXDE (yuck) | May 04 20:54 |
| Ender_nothome | krusader is one people swear by | May 04 20:54 |
| MinceR | krusader is fine for my other use case | May 04 20:54 |
| Ender_nothome | im happy with dolphin | May 04 20:54 |
| ThistleWeb | windows explorer in wine | May 04 20:54 |
| GoForbes28 | Thistleweb: You're just not having much luck in this area it seems :P | May 04 20:54 |
| *ThistleWeb hides | May 04 20:54 | |
| MinceR | the one i'm looking for is the one i'll leave open all over my virtual desktops :> | May 04 20:54 |
| MinceR | (as "files i'm working on here") | May 04 20:55 |
| Ender_nothome | interesting | May 04 20:55 |
| ThistleWeb | MinceR: what about a plasma widget in kde4 | May 04 20:55 |
| GoForbes28 | MinceR: xfe's worth a shot | May 04 20:55 |
| MinceR | ThistleWeb: i'm going to get rid of plasma | May 04 20:55 |
| MinceR | also, plasma widgets are not subject to normal window management | May 04 20:55 |
| MinceR | plus i'd have to add an activity for each such virtual desktop | May 04 20:55 |
| GoForbes28 | MinceR: muCommander | May 04 20:55 |
| Ender_nothome | e17 is pretty fancy | May 04 20:56 |
| ThistleWeb | to be honest, I've found myself using the F3 split view in nautilus more and more, so even tabs ain't an issue | May 04 20:56 |
| GoForbes28 | http://roland65.free.fr/xfe/images/screenshot-s7.png | May 04 20:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/png type | May 04 20:56 |
| GoForbes28 | Doesn't Thunar have a split mode? | May 04 20:57 |
| ThistleWeb | dunno if the latest thunar can do that | May 04 20:57 |
| GoForbes28 | !google thunar split mode | May 04 20:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Thunar File Browser: Tips, Tricks and Scripts | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/tips_tricks_and_scripts_thunar_file_browser | May 04 20:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Alternatives for Thunar (Page 1) / General discussion / Xfce Forums | http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php%3Fid%3D5284 | May 04 20:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - [ Tip ] Quick resizing of images in Thunar (Page 2) - Tips, Tricks ... | http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/5400/tip-quick-resizing-of-images-in-thunar/page/2/ | May 04 20:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Howto: Music album covers in Thunar Nautilus and everywhere ... | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-486359-p-3.html | May 04 20:57 |
| MinceR | i had trouble launching okular from thunar | May 04 20:57 |
| GoForbes28 | Thistleweb: You could also try window tiling | May 04 20:58 |
| ThistleWeb | nah | May 04 20:59 |
| GoForbes28 | Nautilus is just so... bloated | May 04 20:59 |
| ThistleWeb | nautilus suits me fine, even if it does need to be house trained in xfce | May 04 20:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] BING! Patriot Act! | May 04 20:59 | |
| GoForbes28 | lol | May 04 20:59 |
| MinceR | imo nautilus is slow | May 04 20:59 |
| GoForbes28 | I still have that bing parody video in my mind | May 04 20:59 |
| GoForbes28 | MinceR: Even with all toolbars and stuff turned off? | May 04 21:00 |
| ThistleWeb | it is annoying to have to house train it, xfce 4.8 seems to have done the house training too | May 04 21:00 |
| MinceR | GoForbes28: probably haven't tried that | May 04 21:00 |
| GoForbes28 | what does house train mean in this context exactly? | May 04 21:00 |
| GoForbes28 | MinceR: Might given a bit of a boost at least | May 04 21:00 |
| GoForbes28 | MinceR: Less to draw | May 04 21:00 |
| ThistleWeb | in xfce 4.8 when you use the folder menu first time it asks you which file manager to use as default for it, I make sure to have nautilus installed so it can choose it | May 04 21:01 |
| MinceR | even dolphin reacts much faster, even though it even has a bit more bling | May 04 21:01 |
| ThistleWeb | you know the right click gnome menu? | May 04 21:01 |
| ThistleWeb | on the desktop | May 04 21:01 |
| GoForbes28 | yes | May 04 21:01 |
| ThistleWeb | the one with very little actual functionality | May 04 21:01 |
| ThistleWeb | that's nautilus | May 04 21:02 |
| GoForbes28 | ah Gnome | May 04 21:02 |
| GoForbes28 | only you would be bloated and featureless at the same time | May 04 21:02 |
| ThistleWeb | when you run nautilus, it over rules your DE's right click menu with that one | May 04 21:02 |
| MinceR | :> | May 04 21:02 |
| MinceR | nautilus can be told not to bother the desktop | May 04 21:02 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Had this problem too | May 04 21:02 |
| ThistleWeb | you have to run it with the --no-desktop flag to get it NOT to do that | May 04 21:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !Miners What's up with the server tonight? | May 04 21:02 | |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Can you uninstall Thunar without removing the entire XFCE package? | May 04 21:03 |
| ThistleWeb | the prob is, so many things are scripted to run the regular nautilus that you have to screw about to find as many instances of it and add the --no-desktop flag | May 04 21:03 |
| ThistleWeb | that's what I mean by house training | May 04 21:03 |
| GoForbes28 | ah | May 04 21:03 |
| GoForbes28 | and XFCE 4.8 has begun to do this too | May 04 21:04 |
| ThistleWeb | every now and again something will trigger it, and it'll remove my functional right click menu, with the gnome one | May 04 21:04 |
| ThistleWeb | I have to then go in and kill nautilus | May 04 21:04 |
| ThistleWeb | which imediatly restarts itself depending on how it's killed | May 04 21:04 |
| ThistleWeb | I tried xfce on ubuntu 11.04, it offers the option of nautilus as the default, AND adds the flag, so it keeps the xfce right click menu | May 04 21:05 |
| ThistleWeb | \o/ | May 04 21:05 |
| ThistleWeb | well, assuming nautilus is installed it offers it | May 04 21:06 |
| ThistleWeb | it also sets the places applet to use nautilus too | May 04 21:06 |
| ThistleWeb | I never figured out how to do that | May 04 21:06 |
| _Goblin | ThistleWeb: :) | May 04 21:07 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: When I get XFCE up and running, I'm going to swap for OpenBox as the WM | May 04 21:07 |
| GoForbes28 | mainly because of university spirit | May 04 21:08 |
| GoForbes28 | OpenBox is made by a student in the same university as mine | May 04 21:08 |
| GoForbes28 | Problem is, I can't remove XFWM without it trying to remove all of XFCE | May 04 21:08 |
| ThistleWeb | _Goblin: o/ | May 04 21:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Server stopped lagging now, but I'm the only one on. !miners | May 04 21:09 | |
| ThistleWeb | I'm looking at arch with xfce for the netbook | May 04 21:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoExperts: Nelisquare Preview Video – #Maemo and #MeeGo Devices – #Nokia #N900 http://mge.bz/al #FourSquare | May 04 21:11 | |
| ThistleWeb | tried a few times to install arch and failed, then seen a tutorial video showing I was WAY overcomplicating it | May 04 21:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Nelisquare Preview Video .::. Size~: 47.41 KB | May 04 21:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @Develop4AppUp: Have you seen the latest faces of MeeGo? http://fb.me/Uu7c6vlg #MeeGo | May 04 21:12 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: TweetCap - MeeGo Flavors Delight | Intel AppUp(SM) developer program .::. Size~: 28.54 KB | May 04 21:12 |
| ThistleWeb | suggestions of solif kde4 distros? | May 04 21:13 |
| ThistleWeb | solid* | May 04 21:13 |
| GoForbes28 | Debian | May 04 21:13 |
| GoForbes28 | Testing | May 04 21:13 |
| GoForbes28 | aptosid | May 04 21:13 |
| GoForbes28 | not kubuntu | May 04 21:13 |
| ThistleWeb | I did try mint 10 kde and was very disappointed | May 04 21:14 |
| GoForbes28 | :) | May 04 21:14 |
| ThistleWeb | usually love mint, but their kde isn't that hot | May 04 21:14 |
| GoForbes28 | BTW, what's with the "\o/" dent ThistleWeb? | May 04 21:14 |
| ThistleWeb | \o/ | May 04 21:14 |
| GoForbes28 | yeah, that | May 04 21:14 |
| ThistleWeb | Man Utd game | May 04 21:14 |
| GoForbes28 | well I was way off | May 04 21:15 |
| GoForbes28 | I guessed a pig nose :P | May 04 21:15 |
| ThistleWeb | it was a cheer, for a goal, they just got another as you asked | May 04 21:15 |
| GoForbes28 | oh | May 04 21:15 |
| GoForbes28 | I see | May 04 21:15 |
| GoForbes28 | silly me | May 04 21:15 |
| ThistleWeb | hence the new cheer | May 04 21:15 |
| GoForbes28 | <.< | May 04 21:15 |
| GoForbes28 | >.> | May 04 21:15 |
| *GoForbes28 jumps out window. | May 04 21:15 | |
| GoForbes28 | of course, if I did that, it would be a metre drop, lol | May 04 21:16 |
| ThistleWeb | game is over as a contest, 5-1 up with 20mins to go | May 04 21:16 |
| GoForbes28 | I see | May 04 21:16 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Has SIP/anything else begun to work properly for you? | May 04 21:17 |
| ThistleWeb | not tried it since | May 04 21:17 |
| GoForbes28 | not even in Windows?> | May 04 21:17 |
| _Goblin | Right.....Im going to try and watch the rest of Barbarossa on BluRay....everytime Ive tried to watch it, somethings come up....its taken me 3 days to get through about 3/4 of the film....heres to hoping I can get to the end tonight | May 04 21:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @meegoblog: Nokia Releases Qt SDK 1.1 to Support Easier Design of Touch ... http://nowskip.to/kyUgCx | May 04 21:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @meegocom: MeeGo Conference keynote, sessions, activities and more announcements: http://bit.ly/mT8UrB It's not too late to... #MeeGoConf | May 04 21:17 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: MeeGo Conference Keynotes and More | MeeGo .::. Size~: 18.4 KB | May 04 21:18 |
| ThistleWeb | \o/ make that 6-1 | May 04 21:19 |
| GoForbes28 | wait, what game are you talking about again? | May 04 21:19 |
| GoForbes28 | oh | May 04 21:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Baa-haa. Red Hat's virtualization manager had to run on Windows (though no longer) (Ziff): http://zd.net/iVjeio | May 04 21:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rickety life: Why get Shackled ? http://ur1.ca/42ymc #DayAgainstDRM < Canadian version: #DayAgainstTPM | May 04 21:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Ubuntu issues patches for Perl vulnerability (PacketStorm): http://bit.ly/jngi0I | May 04 21:19 | |
| GoForbes28 | soccer? | May 04 21:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Red Hat's Virtualization Server 3 beta due this summer, to ship in late 2011 | ZDNet .::. Size~: 104.99 KB | May 04 21:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Why get Shackled ? « rickety life .::. Size~: 36.56 KB | May 04 21:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ubuntu Security Notice USN-1129-1 ≈ Packet Storm .::. Size~: 3.69 KB | May 04 21:19 |
| ThistleWeb | Man Utd v Shalke, semi final of the champions league, yes soccer | May 04 21:19 |
| ThistleWeb | 2nd leg | May 04 21:20 |
| GoForbes28 | or football as you weird euros call it | May 04 21:20 |
| GoForbes28 | ;) | May 04 21:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] DRM And Free Culture http://jxself.org/ #DayAgainstDRM < !Canada: #DayAgainstTPM | May 04 21:21 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: jxself.org .::. Size~: 5.14 KB | May 04 21:21 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah whodathunkit, a game named after kicking the ball with your feet, not like the Americans who play a game mostly controlled by the hands and call it football | May 04 21:21 |
| Ender_nothome | thistleweb - Fedora for KDE | May 04 21:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] PCR's notepad: Day against DRM 2011 http://ur1.ca/42ymy #DayAgainstDRM < !Canada: #DayAgainstTPM | May 04 21:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] 3. Once person has decided to keep the phone and look through it for info, decides that robbery is a good idea. Conservative guess: p < 0.5 | May 04 21:22 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Day against DRM 2011 – PCR's notepad .::. Size~: 46.11 KB | May 04 21:22 |
| ThistleWeb | not sure about fedora, the few times I have tried it I've been very underwhelmed, although the live gnome 3 image was class | May 04 21:23 |
| ThistleWeb | opensuse 11.04 kde was damn nice too | May 04 21:23 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb, between that and your Windows Explorer comment, I must ask you to leave. ;) | May 04 21:24 |
| cubezzz | hey ThistleWeb, you're back | May 04 21:25 |
| ThistleWeb | to be fair, I've only tried fedora gnome and xfce | May 04 21:25 |
| ThistleWeb | cubezzz: yeah on and off for now | May 04 21:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Brooklyn Public Library: Managing eResources at BPL http://ur1.ca/42yn4 #DayAgainstDRM < !Canada: #DayAgainstTPM | May 04 21:26 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Managing eResources at BPL .::. Size~: 56.12 KB | May 04 21:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Librarian in Black: Day Against DRM Today! http://ur1.ca/42ynd #DayAgainstDRM < !Canada: #DayAgainstTPM | May 04 21:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Set my download away for Zenith http://vodo.net/zenith?page=2 A great !cc mini-series. Support the project! Great stuff! !vodo | May 04 21:27 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Day Against DRM Today! | Librarian in Black Blog – Sarah Houghton-Jan .::. Size~: 42.87 KB | May 04 21:28 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Now sitting down to try and watch Barbarossa on BluRay, kept being interrupted, its taken me 3 days to get 3/4 of the way through the film. | May 04 21:29 | |
| ThistleWeb | I probably should try fedora kde actually, I assume it's easy enough to add the various non-free stuff like codecs | May 04 21:30 |
| Ender_nothome | i've tried a lot of KDE distros | May 04 21:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] We are also putting out the interview with Jono Bacon on a !techbytes episode (43) tonight. It will be available shortly. | May 04 21:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] !United have a strong squad this yr, less flair but more resilience, hats off to #Fergie for being flexible enough to work it | May 04 21:31 | |
| Ender_nothome | it seemed to be the most stable for me | May 04 21:31 |
| Ender_nothome | opensuse has good KDE too | May 04 21:31 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah I was impressed with opensuse, just wary over where it's future is | May 04 21:31 |
| ThistleWeb | I do like the idea of a rolling distro | May 04 21:32 |
| Ender_nothome | yeah the future is uncertain | May 04 21:32 |
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| Ender_nothome | tumbleweed rocks and I think its managed by Greg Kroah-Hartman | May 04 21:32 |
| ThistleWeb | yep, that was a draw to opensuse, tumbleweed | May 04 21:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] Just had an !irc conversation that made me regress to the arguing skill of a 12 year old. | May 04 21:32 | |
| ThistleWeb | I did find an annoying consistent issue with every kde4 I tried, it cant play any media from my NAS, it always has to copy it across first | May 04 21:34 |
| MinceR | ThistleWeb: were you talking about soccer? :> | May 04 21:35 |
| ThistleWeb | MinceR: yes | May 04 21:35 |
| ThistleWeb | it's in the last seconds | May 04 21:35 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: aptosid is rolling | May 04 21:35 |
| ThistleWeb | ooh that's based on debian sid right? | May 04 21:36 |
| GoForbes28 | yeah | May 04 21:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] non-EN #DayAgainstDRM #TPM Arabic: http://ur1.ca/42yno & http://ur1.ca/42ynt and Italian: http://ur1.ca/42ynx & http://ur1.ca/42yo0 | May 04 21:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Just say "No" to DRM (and if you're in !Canada, #TMP) !copyright !freeculture http://ur1.ca/42yol | May 04 21:36 | |
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| ThistleWeb | \o/ full time, we're in the final | May 04 21:36 |
| GoForbes28 | You also have the option of KDE lite with it | May 04 21:36 |
| GoForbes28 | feels a lot like old KDE with that install option | May 04 21:36 |
| ThistleWeb | my comfort zone is ubuntu / mint / debian | May 04 21:36 |
| GoForbes28 | yeah, it could be a problem then | May 04 21:37 |
| GoForbes28 | a little quirky to say the least | May 04 21:37 |
| ThistleWeb | ideally it's enough of a change to switch to kde4 without adding another base etc into the mix | May 04 21:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] OurBricks design competition for 3D artists! Theme is “Modern Life" & winning entry will be CC BY. Submit by May 16: http://bit.ly/iY2V91 | May 04 21:37 | |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo-D3 explained that Debian Testing is essentially a rolling release IFIRK | May 04 21:37 |
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| Diablo-D3 | sid is | May 04 21:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | testing DOES stop periodically to let stable get off the train | May 04 21:38 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: have you been on Techbytes yet? | May 04 21:38 |
| GoForbes28 | seb*3: no | May 04 21:38 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: well I might be on it before June | May 04 21:39 |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo-D3: And then gets going again? | May 04 21:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @clacke you know the police is currently using this #iphoney anti user feature, right? If they do, why won't a modern robber do as well? | May 04 21:39 | |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah | May 04 21:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | the release name changes, and it starts back up grabbing shit from sid | May 04 21:39 |
| GoForbes28 | and you theoretically never have to reinstall? | May 04 21:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] We're going to wembley. But I am not excited yet! Huge game on the weekend. !MUFC | May 04 21:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @clacke Apparently #Apple doesn't make use of the data. The #iphoney does. And police. And very likely robbers will too, if they don't now. | May 04 21:41 | |
| Ender_nothome | thistleweb - what does your NAS use? I play media over a share in KDE | May 04 21:43 |
| Ender_nothome | if the media player supports KIO | May 04 21:43 |
| Ender_nothome | a lot of gnome apps dont | May 04 21:43 |
| ThistleWeb | not sure, it can do cifs, smb and something macs use, buyt since I don't have any apple stuff I disabled that | May 04 21:43 |
| Ender_nothome | a true KDE app gives you access to everything you can access in dolphin | May 04 21:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] CBS/CNET Accused of Copyright Infringement for Distributing LimeWire (Wired): http://bit.ly/kO6ZGE | May 04 21:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] #Fring S2E06 Nice one. i'm begining to really love that serie | May 04 21:44 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: CNET Accused of Copyright Infringement for Distributing LimeWire | Threat Level | Wired.com .::. Size~: 58.45 KB | May 04 21:44 |
| Ender_nothome | thats why its a big thing to get the KDE file/open file/save dialog window in apps | May 04 21:44 |
| Ender_nothome | so I add all my CIFS shares in dolphin and can open them in amarok | May 04 21:45 |
| ThistleWeb | I have consistently had problems with that | May 04 21:45 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm guessing there is a fix, I just didn't know how, and couldn't find out how | May 04 21:46 |
| Ender_nothome | weird | May 04 21:46 |
| Ender_nothome | my problem with gnome is that nothing does that | May 04 21:46 |
| Ender_nothome | lol | May 04 21:46 |
| Ender_nothome | I can map a share in gnome, can't access it with most apps | May 04 21:47 |
| Ender_nothome | I did that with my SL 6 box because google desktop will only read files on the filesystem | May 04 21:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Running a fucking #Minecraft server is like it's own science. | May 04 21:49 | |
| ThistleWeb | it is something I'd need to figure out to be able to use kde4 | May 04 21:50 |
| MinceR | i thought gnome mapped stuff into the actual filesystem and any apps could access them | May 04 21:56 |
| MinceR | (on the downside, it seemed to be a bit brittle) | May 04 21:56 |
| MinceR | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/GVFS | May 04 21:56 |
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| schestowitz | [21:19] <ThistleWeb> Man Utd v Shalke, semi final of the champions league, yes soccer | May 04 21:59 |
| schestowitz | I was running around the city today, lots of foeigners in blue uniform around :-) sometimes holding beer | May 04 21:59 |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: the recording had my volume extremely low, had to fix that manually by amplifying. A shame sound quality from the interview was nowhere as optimal as sometimes. | May 04 22:01 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: that'll be the germans, I'm betting they're pretty despondent on the way home | May 04 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know... | May 04 22:02 |
| schestowitz | Just a mile from my house | May 04 22:03 |
| schestowitz | thousands... some asked me for instructions around here | May 04 22:03 |
| schestowitz | The drunk ones were cheering me as I ran :-) | May 04 22:03 |
| schestowitz | That was /before'/ the game | May 04 22:03 |
| schestowitz | I was wearing red | May 04 22:03 |
| ThistleWeb | lol | May 04 22:05 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] note to self: spend more time in a state of undress while sipping coffee ;) | May 04 22:11 | |
| GoForbes28 | Here's a new one | May 04 22:11 |
| GoForbes28 | Since I assume there will be a lot of protests against our infinite leader, what song do you think would be suitably annoying enough to protest with? | May 04 22:12 |
| Ender_nothome | I doubt it | May 04 22:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @jezra: note to self: spend more time in a state of undress while sipping coffee ;) | May 04 22:12 | |
| Ender_nothome | most of canadians picked him | May 04 22:12 |
| GoForbes28 | You know, full volume near the parliament buildings, interrupting Steve H.'s speeches, etc. | May 04 22:12 |
| GoForbes28 | No | May 04 22:13 |
| GoForbes28 | 60% didn't pick him | May 04 22:13 |
| GoForbes28 | 20% did | May 04 22:13 |
| Ender_nothome | no other party got near 40% | May 04 22:13 |
| GoForbes28 | sorry, 39% of voters did | May 04 22:13 |
| Ender_nothome | ndp got 30% | May 04 22:13 |
| GoForbes28 | doesn't matter | May 04 22:13 |
| Ender_nothome | all the other parties aren't one party | May 04 22:13 |
| GoForbes28 | the majority didn't want him | May 04 22:13 |
| Ender_nothome | so it does matter | May 04 22:13 |
| GoForbes28 | coalition would mean they technically would be | May 04 22:14 |
| GoForbes28 | but moving on | May 04 22:14 |
| Ender_nothome | nope | May 04 22:14 |
| GoForbes28 | yes | May 04 22:14 |
| GoForbes28 | Besides | May 04 22:14 |
| Ender_nothome | because someone voting NDP might not want a Liberal policy whatsoever | May 04 22:14 |
| GoForbes28 | beside | May 04 22:14 |
| GoForbes28 | Besides | May 04 22:14 |
| Ender_nothome | besides nothing | May 04 22:14 |
| Ender_nothome | if i voted CAP, it doesnt mean I agree with NDP and Liberal voters against CPC | May 04 22:14 |
| GoForbes28 | yeah | May 04 22:15 |
| GoForbes28 | It means you didn't want the CPC to win | May 04 22:15 |
| GoForbes28 | there's something in common | May 04 22:15 |
| Ender_nothome | it means i didnt want the CPC, NDP, libs, or bloc to win | May 04 22:15 |
| Ender_nothome | not just CPC | May 04 22:15 |
| GoForbes28 | Besides, I have a pretty good feeling that people will soon wish they didn't vote CPC anyway | May 04 22:15 |
| GoForbes28 | So what, that doesn't mean you don't have that, and a few other things, in common | May 04 22:16 |
| GoForbes28 | as I said though | May 04 22:16 |
| Ender_nothome | plus, i didnt vote so it doesnt represent me either | May 04 22:16 |
| GoForbes28 | Of course, if I said mandatory voting, you'd be against that | May 04 22:16 |
| Ender_nothome | yes I would | May 04 22:17 |
| Ender_nothome | mandatory is the opposite of freedom | May 04 22:17 |
| GoForbes28 | ok | May 04 22:17 |
| GoForbes28 | anywho | May 04 22:17 |
| GoForbes28 | As I was saying | May 04 22:17 |
| Ender_nothome | it always amuses me to have freedom activists advocate against freedom | May 04 22:17 |
| GoForbes28 | I never said I was a freedom activist | May 04 22:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to bed. Some Lovecraft and then sleep. | May 04 22:17 | |
| GoForbes28 | You could also have freedom to murder people | May 04 22:18 |
| Ender_nothome | I'd like that one | May 04 22:18 |
| GoForbes28 | Obviously none of use are freedom activists in the strictists sense | May 04 22:18 |
| GoForbes28 | more fair and balanced | May 04 22:18 |
| Ender_nothome | I am | May 04 22:18 |
| GoForbes28 | kinda like the GPL | May 04 22:18 |
| GoForbes28 | The GPL does restrict the individual's freedom in some ways | May 04 22:18 |
| Ender_nothome | I'm an anti government freedom advocate | May 04 22:18 |
| GoForbes28 | but for the benefit of everyone else | May 04 22:19 |
| Ender_nothome | some would say anarchist but even that is a system | May 04 22:19 |
| Ender_nothome | imo, nobody should have the right to force me to do anything I don't want to do | May 04 22:19 |
| Ender_nothome | I'd like to see the abolition of taxes too | May 04 22:20 |
| Ender_nothome | 25% of my paycheque is stolen from me and 13% is stolen from me when I purchase stuff | May 04 22:20 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: will you have show notes? | May 04 22:21 |
| schestowitz | It's almost done now | May 04 22:21 |
| GoForbes28 | So what you are saying then is that if you were to steal something, and I was to use force to stop you, you would be against that? | May 04 22:21 |
| Ender_nothome | goforbes28 look up the BSD license | May 04 22:21 |
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| Ender_nothome | goforbes28 of course i'd be against getting caught | May 04 22:22 |
| GoForbes28 | You realize that complete freedom would mean I would have the right to force you to do something | May 04 22:22 |
| Ender_nothome | goforbes28 I would have the right to extract revenege | May 04 22:22 |
| GoForbes28 | That would be productive | May 04 22:22 |
| Ender_nothome | if someone tried to kill you in Canada, its against the law to kill them | May 04 22:23 |
| GoForbes28 | Yes | May 04 22:23 |
| GoForbes28 | Because it doesn't solve anything | May 04 22:23 |
| Ender_nothome | the law actually protects the person who does the crime | May 04 22:23 |
| GoForbes28 | no, it isn't protection | May 04 22:23 |
| Ender_nothome | gives them free room and board for years | May 04 22:23 |
| Ender_nothome | free sex, free college | May 04 22:23 |
| Ender_nothome | all on my dime | May 04 22:24 |
| GoForbes28 | That is a generalization number one | May 04 22:24 |
| GoForbes28 | Number two, how does killing said person make you better than him? | May 04 22:24 |
| GoForbes28 | I mean really | May 04 22:24 |
| Ender_nothome | if someone tries to kill me, they might try again | May 04 22:25 |
| GoForbes28 | It doesn't matter who you kill | May 04 22:25 |
| Ender_nothome | i'd like to make sure I end it | May 04 22:25 |
| GoForbes28 | That's why we have jails | May 04 22:25 |
| Ender_nothome | if he goes to prison, he'll get out eventually | May 04 22:25 |
| Ender_nothome | plus i'll have to pay for his food and rent | May 04 22:25 |
| GoForbes28 | What if from the experience from killing your attempted killer, you yourself become a killer? | May 04 22:25 |
| GoForbes28 | What if you have a mental disorder? | May 04 22:25 |
| GoForbes28 | What if he has a mental disorder? | May 04 22:26 |
| Ender_nothome | what if what if | May 04 22:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Wellcome Trust urges universities to take leadership in open scientific publishing: http://bit.ly/kNflS8 | May 04 22:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] German man trapped in women's prison rescued by mayor http://is.gd/xV037v I love oddball stories | May 04 22:26 | |
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| Ender_nothome | what if he was hitler | May 04 22:26 |
| GoForbes28 | Yeah, asking what if is the measure of a civilised society | May 04 22:26 |
| Ender_nothome | or what if he was the next hitler | May 04 22:26 |
| GoForbes28 | Animals are the ones who kill without thinking of the consequence | May 04 22:26 |
| Ender_nothome | what if he was the next osama bin laden | May 04 22:26 |
| Ender_nothome | what if he was going to pass laws that killed the earth | May 04 22:27 |
| GoForbes28 | I'm sorry, but asking what if he has a mental disorder is different from that | May 04 22:27 |
| GoForbes28 | he has a mental disorder, period | May 04 22:27 |
| Ender_nothome | its all stawman arguments | May 04 22:27 |
| GoForbes28 | in the present, here are now | May 04 22:27 |
| Ender_nothome | so what if he has a mental disorder | May 04 22:27 |
| GoForbes28 | He might not be able to control himself | May 04 22:27 |
| GoForbes28 | Maybe he needs medical treatment or drugs | May 04 22:28 |
| Ender_nothome | well then hes better off dead | May 04 22:28 |
| Ender_nothome | if hes trying to kill people | May 04 22:28 |
| GoForbes28 | Ok, new perspective | May 04 22:28 |
| GoForbes28 | what is your view on killing animals? | May 04 22:28 |
| Ender_nothome | im fine with it | May 04 22:28 |
| GoForbes28 | Well that at least is consistent | May 04 22:28 |
| GoForbes28 | If you had tried to defend the killing of animals, I would have dismissed you as a hypocrite | May 04 22:29 |
| GoForbes28 | *defend against | May 04 22:29 |
| Ender_nothome | nah im not a hypocrite so that wont work | May 04 22:29 |
| Ender_nothome | gtg home, later | May 04 22:29 |
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| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: I assume you try and not to get into arguments with Ender? :S | May 04 22:30 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] sleep well, @marjoleink | May 04 22:31 | |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: heh | May 04 22:33 |
| GoForbes28 | "If someone attempts to kill me, I should be able to kill him". What?!! | May 04 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Maybe if he calls you communist it means he liked you ;-) | May 04 22:34 |
| GoForbes28 | he got a chuckle out of my "centrist conspiracy theorist" comment | May 04 22:34 |
| GoForbes28 | That I am one, I guess you would be too ;) | May 04 22:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: erm | May 04 22:36 |
| GoForbes28 | Since apparently, calling mean greedy Bill Gates mean and greedy is obvious on the level of conspiracy | May 04 22:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | [05:33:42] <GoForbes28> "If someone attempts to kill me, I should be able to kill him". What?!! | May 04 22:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats pretty much true | May 04 22:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @dbd: Happy Day Against DRM! http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:DefectiveByDesign/Day_Against_DRM_2011 !fsfla !softwarelivre | May 04 22:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #antiX #MEPIS 11 is Available for Download http://is.gd/dY8oo8 #debian #gnu #linux | May 04 22:36 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | but you have to consider that in the context of immediate threat | May 04 22:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | rich people are not an immediate threat | May 04 22:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | they are not in my house trying to kill me | May 04 22:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're in THEIR house trying to kill me | May 04 22:36 |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo-D3: Sorry, I meant in the way he phrased it | May 04 22:36 |
| GoForbes28 | wait wait wait | May 04 22:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | so the only thing I can do in return is try to kill them back in MY house | May 04 22:37 |
| GoForbes28 | wait | May 04 22:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | I cant go to their house and start threatening them, then Im the wrong party | May 04 22:37 |
| GoForbes28 | ok, in the heat of the moment and you are being attacked, someone is trying to kill you | May 04 22:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | then I can kill them right back | May 04 22:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | even equal force is flexible in the law | May 04 22:38 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: ETA (publishing) 40 mins | May 04 22:38 |
| GoForbes28 | Yes, I think fighting back, which may end up in the other person dying is acceptable | May 04 22:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | depending on the state | May 04 22:38 |
| GoForbes28 | However | May 04 22:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | Bill Gates intentionally poisoning my food for profits doesnt count as an immediate threat. | May 04 22:38 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sarahsmith328/status/65857900693823488 | May 04 22:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @sarahsmith328: @schestowitz RT "The other concise comment I would make it that..."(?) It will be published in BYU's Daily Universe | May 04 22:38 |
| GoForbes28 | If someone attempts to kill you and fails, and then some time after you meet up again and try to kill him/her when he isn't trying to kill you | May 04 22:38 |
| schestowitz | Sounds good, thank you. | May 04 22:38 |
| GoForbes28 | I don't think that is right | May 04 22:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: nope, thats not right | May 04 22:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | because hes not an immediate threat | May 04 22:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | the keyword here is IMMEDIATE threat | May 04 22:39 |
| GoForbes28 | exactly | May 04 22:39 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/sarahsmith328/status/65860429632647168 | May 04 22:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @sarahsmith328: @schestowitz How exactly did Novell increase risk to Linux users? (for those of us who are not so software savvy) | May 04 22:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is the way any sane law is worded | May 04 22:39 |
| GoForbes28 | Ender didn't emphasize the IMMEDIATE part | May 04 22:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Thanks to everyone who took part in Day Against DRM, but especially to @joshuagay and @moarplease for their work updating us all day #NODRM | May 04 22:39 | |
| Diablo-D3 | Ender is a troll and an idiot | May 04 22:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | half the channel has him on ignore | May 04 22:39 |
| GoForbes28 | It is an interesting parallel though | May 04 22:40 |
| GoForbes28 | We think he is a crazy conspiracy theorist, while the general public may consider *us* to be crazy conspiracy theorists | May 04 22:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joshuagay/@joshuagay] RT @dbd PCWord covers digital *restrictions* management for Day Against DRM: http://ur1.ca/42z0i #nodrm | May 04 22:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] @joshuagay gave me 17 fun-sized Snickers. Apparently that is the cure for my sore throat. Sent from my shetland-pony. | May 04 22:41 | |
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| GoForbes28 | With the anti-Bill Gates talk and the like | May 04 22:41 |
| GoForbes28 | though we have been proven right | May 04 22:41 |
| GoForbes28 | for example, with Novell | May 04 22:41 |
| schestowitz | Novell set up -- along with Microsoft which it had liaised with -- an exclusionary patent deal that brings software patents to the table and then divides the market into "legal" and "illegal" Linux, where the former pays commissions to Microsoft and the latter does not. | May 04 22:41 |
| GoForbes28 | And yet people would still say you are talking conspiracies | May 04 22:42 |
| GoForbes28 | amazing | May 04 22:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/explodingwalrus/status/65887472160223232 | May 04 22:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @explodingwalrus: @schestowitz i wouldn't recommend it! | May 04 22:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | GoForbes28: no | May 04 22:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | the general public thinks Windows is shit | May 04 22:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] No, still coughing. Damn you @masterfoods | May 04 22:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] what does it say about a crack unit of special forces is so threatened by an unarmed man enough to warrant a shoot to kill? #obl | May 04 22:43 | |
| GoForbes28 | or rather, trolls would go one force trying to convince the rest | May 04 22:43 |
| schestowitz | I don't recommend Ubuntu's new Unity either, but a lot of people will use it | May 04 22:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: nope | May 04 22:43 |
| GoForbes28 | The general public also doesn't think Windows spies on them | May 04 22:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | 11.10 will ship with gnome 3 shell, not gnome 3 + unity | May 04 22:43 |
| schestowitz | really? | May 04 22:44 |
| GoForbes28 | That can be proven with design and affirmative statements from Microsoft itself | May 04 22:44 |
| schestowitz | URL/cite? | May 04 22:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: it didnt make 11.04, and its still totally broken | May 04 22:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] On-demand categories and tab assist http://mozillalabs.com/prospector/2011/05/04/on-demand-categories-and-tab-assist/ | May 04 22:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] heh, happy Star Wars day! ♻ @art3mis4: feliz dia de star wars a tod@s "May the 4th be with you" | May 04 22:44 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | so unless God comes down and blesses Unity, it wont make it for 11.10 either | May 04 22:44 |
| GoForbes28 | That would be hilarious | May 04 22:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | 11.04 shipped with a customized gnome 3 shell, btw | May 04 22:45 |
| GoForbes28 | I thought it shipped with unity | May 04 22:45 |
| GoForbes28 | or is what you are describing actually just part of this? | May 04 22:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im very sure it didnt ship with unity | May 04 22:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | unless ubuntu lied the whole way up to 11.04 launch | May 04 22:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, unity and gnome shell are almost identical in function | May 04 22:46 |
| GoForbes28 | uhh | May 04 22:47 |
| GoForbes28 | http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/05/01/ubuntu-11-04/ | May 04 22:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | and all the stuff canonical slated for unity that arent in gnome 3 are slated for the 3.1 release cycle | May 04 22:47 |
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| GoForbes28 | "Canonical has gotten some flack for this release since it uses Unity as the default desktop instead of the usual GNOME interface." | May 04 22:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | Goddamnit. | May 04 22:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | Canonical can blow it out their ass | May 04 22:47 |
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| Diablo-D3 | they repeatedly said Unity wasnt ready for 11.04 | May 04 22:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | for months | May 04 22:47 |
| GoForbes28 | http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Desktop.png | May 04 22:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/png type | May 04 22:48 |
| GoForbes28 | looks like unity to me | May 04 22:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | fuckers | May 04 22:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | they can suck my dick | May 04 22:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | I hope someone sues them | May 04 22:48 |
| GoForbes28 | you still there, Diablo-D3? | May 04 22:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | I would hope so | May 04 22:49 |
| GoForbes28 | you seem to have a slight personality change | May 04 22:49 |
| GoForbes28 | or a very short temper | May 04 22:49 |
| MinceR | guess which is more likely ;) | May 04 22:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | I dont particularly like being lied to. | May 04 22:49 |
| GoForbes28 | ok | May 04 22:49 |
| GoForbes28 | can't argue with that | May 04 22:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @kokothekoala: BLAG 140k final released! ftp://blag.fsf.org/140000/en/iso/ #gnull #gnu #fsf #linuxlibre | May 04 22:51 | |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo-D3: You've been Sussudio'd. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0qBaBb1Y-U | May 04 22:51 |
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| GoForbes28 | :) | May 04 22:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is horrible music | May 04 22:53 |
| GoForbes28 | exactly | May 04 22:53 |
| GoForbes28 | sussudio'd | May 04 22:53 |
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| GoForbes28 | you expected good music and were gipped | May 04 22:54 |
| GoForbes28 | though to be fair, I like Sussudio | May 04 22:54 |
| GoForbes28 | It's pretty much audio crack | May 04 22:54 |
| GoForbes28 | for when your brain doesn't want to function fully that day | May 04 22:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Thought I'd heard of all the scams - @medicaljustice tries to block you from commenting on bad service by a physician. #Jerks. | May 04 22:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] I'm !enraged when I see RHT developers use legacy !GPLv2 only license notices on !RedHat work. Such notices hereby deemed GPLv2-or-later. | May 04 22:56 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/65898079425011712 | May 04 22:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Et tu, LinuxToday? See comments in http://is.gd/1QR6ns | May 04 22:58 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Wife got home - my computer desk had migrated to other end of house. Disclaimed responsibility. #shitthathappenswhenyouaren'tlooking | May 04 22:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] #Fedora15Beta installs well on one rig, some issues, going to test on another rig, suspect the wireless card #broadcomsucks | May 04 23:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] for all we know #OBL could have been caught unaware, tried to surrender but was killed in cold blood, unlikely but possible | May 04 23:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft, Juniper refuse to patch dangerous IPv6 hole (Network World): http://bit.ly/k3FG5W | May 04 23:06 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wayneborean/status/65898690438627329 | May 04 23:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @wayneborean: @schestowitz Damn, gotta download & test Mepis too! | May 04 23:08 |
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| DaemonFC | Tron Legacy, not as good as the first | May 04 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | but sequels don't tend to be :P | May 04 23:13 |
| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: Still haven't seen it | May 04 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | Redbox has it on Blu Ray already | May 04 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | that should have been a hint :) | May 04 23:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Trying out !bitcoin -- 16Gm6e5mvfvDU3mPGdwY3pe2WwucZ2yeda | May 04 23:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] ♺ @trombonechamp: @mattl You need a Statusnet plugin to automatically append "sent from my [random horse name]" to the end of every message | May 04 23:16 | |
| DaemonFC | I got my $1.50's worth :) | May 04 23:16 |
| GoForbes28 | I don't even have BluRay :P | May 04 23:16 |
| GoForbes28 | The last movie I bought on DVD was 2010 | May 04 23:17 |
| GoForbes28 | I'm not really a collector in that sense | May 04 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | I still have that Samsung player that I had to bug them about | May 04 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | it runs Linux and a bunch of other GPL'd software but they didn't provide any source code | May 04 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | the player had been out about 6 months at that point | May 04 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | so I hassled them about it and they put up the source bundle on their website | May 04 23:18 |
| MinceR | gn | May 04 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | and they've even been keeping it up to date as they release new firmware | May 04 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | the player uses Linux 2.6.28 | May 04 23:20 |
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| DaemonFC | it uses the gphoto library to display images, but the menus interface is QT | May 04 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | and the internal flash memory (for things like bookmark storage and new firmwares) is XFS | May 04 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 04 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | *using XFS | May 04 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | the only reason I know the menus are QT is because I asked them about it | May 04 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | why there was no source for that stuff, turns out they bought a GPL exception for it | May 04 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | OK | May 04 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 04 23:22 |
| DaemonFC | RMS oddly enough says he's OK with those | May 04 23:22 |
| *DaemonFC can't figure out why he's OK with paying for GPL exceptions but not firmware that runs on an add-on card | May 04 23:22 | |
| DaemonFC | neither one is actually a GPL violation | May 04 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | I think loadable firmware that runs on a device is more legitimate than a GPL exception | May 04 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | but both are allowed under copyright law | May 04 23:23 |
| DaemonFC | the firmware is not a derivative work of the Linux kernel and doesn't qualify under the derivatives work rule | May 04 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | and projects with copyright assignments can license the entire project however they want | May 04 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | that means Unity could be proprietary software someday without a GPL option at all | May 04 23:24 |
| DaemonFC | and anyone who gave Canonical code can't argue with that | May 04 23:25 |
| MinceR | free code goes in, proprietary code comes out. you can't argue with that! | May 04 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | I don't get the double standard. Why is it (according to the FSF), perfectly fine that my video card doesn't work in Gnewsense, but they agree that Samsung doesn't have to fork over any of their internal modifications to QT | May 04 23:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | stuff goes up, stuff comes down, you cant argue with that | May 04 23:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | glenn beck raped a women in 1991, you cant argue with that.... just a memo, this is a no spin zone | May 04 23:26 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I think that if anything, they should be frowning on GPL exceptions more than firmware blobs that only run on a particular device | May 04 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | they want to feel like they have end to end control over what the system does, but devices with firmware hard coded into the ROM aren't any more free than a device with updateable firmware | May 04 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | the only real difference is whether the user has to put up with bugs that cannot be fixed by anyone, including the manufacturer (hard coded ROM) | May 04 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | or if the user can one day look forward to the firmware being updated by the manufacturer (firmware blob) | May 04 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | a modern Radeon isn't really that dependent on firmware, I think an evergreen chipset only needs like 5 KB | May 04 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | the reason Nouveau went and made their own custom firmwares (ten times larger) for Nvidia cards is because Nvidia never allowed theirs to be distributed outside of their own driver | May 04 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | so if it's really so important that everything on the device be free software, why couldn't the FSF sponsor a Radeon firmware reverse engineering instead of disabling all Radeon cards in Gnewsense? | May 04 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 04 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | *cough* political statement | May 04 23:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @aurium: Aê @holoscopio !!! ♻ Os primeiros brasuinos estão prontos# http://ur1.ca/42y21 #openhardware | May 04 23:32 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Unidades do Brasuino prontas | Holoscópio .::. Size~: 16.82 KB | May 04 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | they take on "high priority free software" projects all the time that never do anything useful or never get a single line of code written at all | May 04 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | what's one more? | May 04 23:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #AV was always the least the gravy train passengers would accept http://is.gd/gwKSxg if the choice was #PR or #FPTP it'd be a landslide | May 04 23:34 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: AV referendum: crunch time for Nick Clegg as huge defeat predicted | Politics | The Guardian .::. Size~: 138.53 KB | May 04 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | the FSF is more of a peanut gallery than a free software producer | May 04 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | they like to write essays telling everyone else what to do with their projects | May 04 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 04 23:34 |
| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: Who says they aren't doing both with the ATi cards? | May 04 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | there's no such project | May 04 23:35 |
| GoForbes28 | I find it hard to believe that no one in the whole world is not trying to reverse engineer or bypass the blobs | May 04 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | apparently they'd rather just strip out the redistributable 5 KB firmware blob than write their own and make the card work as well as it does in any other distribution | May 04 23:35 |
| GoForbes28 | Ok, if they did both, would you be ok with that? | May 04 23:36 |
| GoForbes28 | And you must admit, a lot of what RMS writes is compelling at least. | May 04 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | new math | If you want your $500 Radeon to be a $500 framebuffer over 5000 bytes of firmware, use a FSF sponsored Linux distribution | May 04 23:36 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 04 23:36 |
| GoForbes28 | for example, the intellectual property article | May 04 23:37 |
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| DaemonFC | some of what he writes is obvious | May 04 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | other things he writes venture off into lunacy | May 04 23:37 |
| GoForbes28 | I think I've must have read the common sense articles | May 04 23:37 |
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| GoForbes28 | like trusted computing | May 04 23:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "Happiness is a warm bum" oh how the Beatles could have played with that title ;P | May 04 23:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "bum" being "butt" for US readers | May 04 23:37 | |
| DaemonFC | obviously you can't trust proprietary software, because it hides how it works | May 04 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | ok, that makes sense | May 04 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | obviously proprietary software hides bugs, workarounds for bugs, and is bloated (Theo de Raadt said that one) | May 04 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | also correct | May 04 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | why can't they just BOTH be right? :) | May 04 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | oh they are, in those cases | May 04 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | According to my rough estimation, AMD's Catalyst for Linux is about 30 times bigger than it should be | May 04 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | given what it does | May 04 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | that's kind of scary :) | May 04 23:39 |
| amarsh04 | the folks in #radeon state that power control code in the catalyst driver is bigger than the entire free driver | May 04 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | There's also proprietary software with competent developers that respond to bug reports and remove stupid things that are obsolete and add features that real people use | May 04 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | like Opera | May 04 23:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I am contemplating #Arch for my netbook, tried a few times & failed. Since seen a video, to find I was WAY overcomplicating it | May 04 23:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @revistaespiritolivre: Fórum s/ Software Livre: chamada para participação: http://foruns.bc.unicamp.br/ Dia 12/05, a partir das 9 @islene | May 04 23:41 | |
| DaemonFC | it's not technically incompetent, but it still hides what it is up to | May 04 23:41 |
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| DaemonFC | amarsh04, They're right! | May 04 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 04 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | FGLRX is just enormous | May 04 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | not because it does a lot of stuff, but because code has obviously amassed that no longer makes any sense at all | May 04 23:42 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/acurrie/status/65825318899949568 | May 04 23:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @acurrie: Elop, the rockstar CEO du jour: Hijacks #Nokia, hands Ballmer the keys & awaits next assignment. http://ur1.ca/42xt4 via @shestowitz #dys132 | May 04 23:42 |
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| DaemonFC | and in many cases they can't or won't use the existing functionality in X and Linux and ship their own version | May 04 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | neglect has turned FGLRX obese | May 04 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | neglect and internal politics of ATI/AMD | May 04 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | amarsh04, And Not only is the power management code alone in FGLRX bigger than the entire DRM and DRI and Gallium3d stack combined (which also supports a lot of non-AMD cards).... | May 04 23:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @marcelobranco: RT @mobilizacaobr: Apoiamos a saída de Ana de Hollanda do MinC http://is.gd/7VWfZD #CulturaDigital #cc | May 04 23:44 | |
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| DaemonFC | the power management in FGLRX has a lot of bugs | May 04 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | like you know, your monitor won't wake up from sleep | May 04 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | or your computer freezes when you resume from suspend because their hack to get X to set the video mode doesn't work (sometimes. probably a race condition) | May 04 23:45 |
| *amarsh04 only found out in the last few days that the linux 'perf' command even works on his PII-266 machine | May 04 23:45 | |
| DaemonFC | and all sort of other terrible things that the free driver does not do | May 04 23:45 |
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| sbrown1992 | hey there | May 04 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | ryan@ryan-MS-7501:~$ uname -a | May 04 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | Linux ryan-MS-7501 2.6.39-rc6-ryan1 #1 SMP Wed May 4 01:48:11 EDT 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/Linux | May 04 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | I also have all of the drm-next and drm-core-next stuff | May 04 23:46 |
| sbrown1992 | i'm looking for some free software blogs to add to my rss | May 04 23:46 |
| sbrown1992 | does anyone have any recommendations? | May 04 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | and the latest Gallium3d stuff using LLVM to compile shader code | May 04 23:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | honestly... nope. | May 04 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | amarsh04, it's about 3-4 times faster than the stack in Ubuntu Natty | May 04 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | and supports about 30 new GL extensions (counting all the ARB texture compression ones | May 04 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | you don't get that with Ubuntu :) | May 04 23:48 |
| sbrown1992 | ah well, thanks anyway :) | May 04 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | loading an OpenGL app that doesn't work on my system is pretty rare | May 04 23:48 |
| amarsh04 | sounds good... I've kept my radeon-related stuff at Debian experimental... | May 04 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | amarsh04, AutoCAD works in Wine :P | May 04 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | at least the 2008 edition | May 04 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | surprisingly well in fact | May 04 23:49 |
| GoForbes28 | DaemonFC: REturning to Opera | May 04 23:49 |
| amarsh04 | not a bad effort | May 04 23:50 |
| GoForbes28 | you also have to consider the size of Opera as a compnay | May 04 23:50 |
| GoForbes28 | it is small, so they don't have the luxury of a bad product | May 04 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | GoForbes28, They're not huge, they've never had a reason to make code that doesn't work well across platforms or bloat Opera with useless things | May 04 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | right | May 04 23:50 |
| amarsh04 | 2.6.39-rc6-git1 is already out | May 04 23:50 |
| GoForbes28 | the quality and adhesion to web standards is what makes Opera stands out | May 04 23:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] RSVP for a free panel with @EFF @SDACLU & Privacy Rights Clearinghouse (@PrivacyToday) in SoCal https://eff.org/r.48A | May 04 23:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @fontana Why should new Kernel contributions we GPLv2 only? Surely that just compounds the problem? | May 04 23:51 | |
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| GoForbes28 | If however, Opera got bigger, I think the proprietary negative element would begin to show | May 04 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | wonder if it has anything I care about | May 04 23:51 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/wayneborean/statuses/65898690438627329 | May 04 23:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @wayneborean: @schestowitz Damn, gotta download & test Mepis too! | May 04 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | amarsh04, It's a regression | May 04 23:52 |
| schestowitz | Watch Mono boosters trying to incite journos against me: http://twitter.com/verofakto/statuses/65870919716974592 | May 04 23:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @verofakto: @sarahsmith328 Make sure you read everything carefully; most of what @schestowitz writes is factually wrong or filled with ideological fail | May 04 23:52 |
| schestowitz | LOL | May 04 23:52 |
| amarsh04 | doesn't opera mini just use a proxy to help render the web page | May 04 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | some asshole must have had problems with the drm-fixes | May 04 23:52 |
| schestowitz | How pathetic of them | May 04 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | great, now I get to maintain patches that Linus has kicked back | May 04 23:53 |
| schestowitz | She just ignore the anonymous coward :-) http://twitter.com/sarahsmith328 | May 04 23:53 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 4/5/2011: KDE Publishes 2010 Report, Red Hat Eyes $1 Billion in Revenue http://is.gd/nxgMNT !techrights | May 04 23:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Links 4/5/2011: KDE Publishes 2010 Report, Red Hat Eyes $1 Billion in Revenue http://is.gd/nxgMNT #techrights | May 04 23:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Drawbridge: #Microsoft has released new details on an experimental operating system concept http://ow.ly/4NpwO | May 04 23:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 137 million downloads on 2011-05-04 22:52 UTC | May 04 23:54 | |
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| DaemonFC | this is weird | May 04 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | he didn't revert them | May 04 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | but the git1 patch removes them | May 04 23:55 |
| *DaemonFC is going to hold off and see what is going on here | May 04 23:55 | |
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| DaemonFC | I keep drm-fixes in a subfolder | May 04 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | because I only really need to carry them until Linux merges them | May 04 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | *linus | May 04 23:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @maquedam: RT @dbd PCWord covers digital *restrictions* management for Day Against DRM: http://ur1.ca/42z0i #nodrm | May 04 23:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Cloud Leaders Join !RedHat’s Open Platform-as-a-Service Ecosystem - BradentonHerald http://ping.fm/bC6lW | May 04 23:57 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: It's Time to Give Digital Rights Management the Boot | PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 82.4 KB | May 04 23:57 |
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| DaemonFC | I think what happened is Linus merged these, it took a while to show up in his tree | May 04 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | and the git1 patch was created automatically and reverts the patches | May 04 23:58 |
| DaemonFC | so they only real fix in rc6-git1 is to /fs/logfs/super.c | May 04 23:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @carwinb Carwin Columbia School of Journalism. Front Row. Awesome. #Wikileaks http://ur1.ca/42zb8 | May 04 23:59 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Columbia School of Journalism. Front Row. Awesome. #Wikileaks on Twitpic .::. Size~: 12.01 KB | May 04 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | and the rest revert to older buggier Radeon driver files | May 04 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | amarsh04, No thanks B-) | May 04 23:59 |
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