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oiaohmSo Of course is broken.May 04 00:00
sebsebsebDaemonFC: Xchat indicator?May 04 00:00
DaemonFCyeahMay 04 00:01
sebsebsebwhat?May 04 00:01
sebsebsebthe envelope?May 04 00:01
sebsebsebthe envelope is for instant messsengersMay 04 00:01
oiaohmhttp://www.fox13now.com/news/local/kstu-novell-novell-lays-off-100s-at-provo-branch-20110502,0,7092623.story  The Axe man has started.May 04 00:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: NOVELL: Novell lays off 100s at Provo branch  - KSTU .::. Size~: 179.55 KBMay 04 00:02
oiaohmIf we are lucky this will extend all the way to major Mono projects.May 04 00:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] The Tor project forks Firefox http://lwn.net/Articles/441240/rssMay 04 00:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Tor project forks Firefox [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 5.9 KBMay 04 00:02
oiaohmSince they are not profit making items.May 04 00:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] THE TRUTH BEHIND JAPAN-U.S. TIES (1): http://alturl.com/gm4r9May 04 00:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: asahi.com¡ÊÄ«Æü¿·Ê¹¼Ò¡Ë¡§THE TRUTH BEHIND JAPAN-U.S. TIES (1): DPJ government never committed to Futenma alternatives - English .::. Size~: 37.53 KBMay 04 00:06
schestowitzIncitations from MonoMay 04 00:06
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/verofakto/statuses/65548555322015744May 04 00:06
TechrightsBot-tr@verofakto: @CajunTechie #Mono has been dead for a looong time, acording to @schestowitz http://j.mp/atifbF Make sure you read the IRC convo there.May 04 00:06
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Mono Project Seems to be Dying (Development Virtually Halted) (Updated) | Techrights .::. Size~: 152.47 KBMay 04 00:06
schestowitzAnd I was right, it had slown downMay 04 00:06
oiaohmschestowitz: It banshee and other items.May 04 00:08
oiaohmschestowitz: that have Novell lead we need to be watching.May 04 00:08
oiaohmschestowitz: the main items that have been used to get mono onto platforms.May 04 00:08
schestowitzdo you know names?May 04 00:09
oiaohmI suspect we are going to see them stall massively as well.May 04 00:09
schestowitzI haven't looked closely yetMay 04 00:09
oiaohmpinta and banshee would be the most important for pushing mono.May 04 00:09
oiaohmTomboy mostly has lost it wind.May 04 00:09
schestowitzpinta is officially Novell's?!May 04 00:09
schestowitzAFAIK still hobbyishMay 04 00:09
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oiaohmpinta lead developer was a full time Novell person.May 04 00:10
schestowitzysMay 04 00:10
schestowitzBut...May 04 00:10
oiaohmMight still be.May 04 00:10
schestowitzis it his job?May 04 00:10
oiaohmThat is the problem.May 04 00:10
schestowitzI think he insists it's a hobbyMay 04 00:10
oiaohmIn open source you neveer exactly can be 100 percent sure what is a spare time project.May 04 00:10
oiaohmDeveloper can be claiming its a hobby and being paid for it.May 04 00:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Japanese politics is likely to be rocked by the WikiLeaks-Asahi revelations.May 04 00:11
oiaohmNow if he gets layed off and he is still working on it then it was a hobby.May 04 00:11
oiaohmIf he gets layed off and stops hello paid operation.May 04 00:11
oiaohmReason why we kinda have to watch.May 04 00:11
oiaohmActions tell more facts than words.May 04 00:11
schestowitzI hope jono pays attentionMay 04 00:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] hey, what's up with Planet !KDE 's domain? :\May 04 00:12
schestowitzI told him some months ago that banshee is risky for ubuntu from another angle, which is long-term developmentMay 04 00:12
schestowitzA.B. left NovellMay 04 00:13
schestowitzHe was the lead devMay 04 00:13
schestowitzAnd now there's the mono layoffs, which affect mono-based s/wMay 04 00:13
schestowitzThen there's the issue of patents and API (of Microsoft) in UbuntuMay 04 00:13
schestowitzBut people in Ubuntu don't like to talk about these...May 04 00:13
schestowitzOh, another thing:May 04 00:14
schestowitzBanshee hurt Ubuntu's reputation, due to the GNOME donationgateMay 04 00:14
oiaohmhttps://github.com/mono/monodevelop/commits/master  This is going to be another interesting watch.May 04 00:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Commit History for mono's monodevelop - GitHub .::. Size~: 93.96 KBMay 04 00:16
oiaohmAll 4 common developers of monodevelop are Novell staff.May 04 00:16
DaemonFCI think it's interesting that the first thing they did was fire all the Mono peopleMay 04 00:17
DaemonFCI thought AttachMate was supposedly a Microsoft sockpuppetMay 04 00:18
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roy_[00:17] <DaemonFC> I think it's interesting that the first thing they did was fire all the Mono peopleMay 04 00:28
roy_All?May 04 00:28
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schestowitzSod it, connection issues againMay 04 00:28
DaemonFCaccording to Phoronix, all of themMay 04 00:28
schestowitz:roy_!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz PRIVMSG #techrights :[00:17] <DaemonFC> I think it's interesting that the first thing they did was fire all the Mono peopleMay 04 00:29
schestowitzDaemonFC: link?May 04 00:29
DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTQwMQMay 04 00:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [Phoronix] Mono Developers Go Bye-Bye From Attachmate .::. Size~: 17.1 KBMay 04 00:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] @sebsebseb this "RD" thing you're promoting is so 1990's... Identi.ca clients have ways to redent things, and they use ♺ which looks betterMay 04 00:31
schestowitz:oiaohm!~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm PRIVMSG #techrights :Really I never suspected AttachMate as a sockpuppet.May 04 00:33
schestowitz:oiaohm!~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm PRIVMSG #techrights :AttachMate is basically a liquidator.May 04 00:33
schestowitzPING :verne.freenode.netMay 04 00:33
schestowitz:oiaohm!~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm PRIVMSG #techrights :MS main target was getting their hands on the Novell patents over filesystems.May 04 00:33
schestowitz:oiaohm!~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm PRIVMSG #techrights :Since those patents effect NTFS and FATMay 04 00:33
schestowitz:oiaohm!~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm PRIVMSG #techrights :Ie nuke class weapons against MS.May 04 00:33
schestowitz:oiaohm!~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm PRIVMSG #techrights :Losing Mono MS would not even be able to consider with Novell looking like going under.May 04 00:33
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schestowitz:oiaohm!~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm PRIVMSG #techrights :Also I see lots of Novell developers are going to get upset with AttachMate as well they historically run employment contracts on their coders like MS.May 04 00:33
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schestowitz:oiaohm!~oiaohm@unaffiliated/oiaohm PRIVMSG #techrights :DaemonFC: Ie MS coder their is no such thing as a free time coding project.May 04 00:33
schestowitz:TRIdentica!~twitfolk@216.105.40.114 NOTICE #techrights :[rysiek/@rysiek] i po epickiej maj?wce w ekipie ???tego Banana i 3 innych ?ajb. ?nieg w sztynorcie, berek na wodzie, szanty w autobusie. http://ur1.ca/42rfiMay 04 00:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Tor project forks Firefox http://ur1.ca/42rp7May 04 00:33
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oiaohmschestowitz: You had my last line.May 04 00:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks Japan: U.S. used 'China card' to thwart Okinawa base alternatives http://alturl.com/arzw8May 04 00:36
TechrightsBot-trTitle: asahi.com¡ÊÄ«Æü¿·Ê¹¼Ò¡Ë¡§THE TRUTH BEHIND JAPAN-U.S. TIES (2): U.S. used 'China card' to thwart Futenma alternatives - English .::. Size~: 36.76 KBMay 04 00:36
oiaohmschestowitz: there was basically nothing you missed other than a stupid picture.  http://file.status.net/i/identica/rysiek-20110503T232128-3tcbk8k.jpegMay 04 00:36
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schestowitzoiaohm: I missed some May 04 00:36
schestowitzHad to fetch it from TR serverMay 04 00:36
schestowitzsecond time todayMay 04 00:37
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schestowitzFor crying out loud, bloody BT for the third time today!May 04 00:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] @jankusanagi: I thought would be easier to explain with only RD since @obengdako is new, of course I may have mentioned other ways later on!May 04 00:47
schestowitz[00:39] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [schestowitz/@schestowitz] ? @rrix Tor project forks Firefox http://ur1.ca/42rp7May 04 00:48
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schestowitz[00:41] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] @jankusanagi: #Identica and #Twitter didn't exist in the 1990's! :DMay 04 00:48
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schestowitz[00:44] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [schestowitz/@schestowitz] Update: the *whole* #Mono team got flushed  http://is.gd/Rb8Wj9 time for #Microsoft MVP Miguel to take jackpot/salary at Microsoft maybe?May 04 00:48
schestowitz[00:44] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [schestowitz/@schestowitz] The #1 spreader of lies about yours truly and #techrights is now unpaid. Maybe they'll move on and stop attacking messengers. #swpatsMay 04 00:48
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mono Development Canned (Updated: Everyone Laid Off) | Techrights .::. Size~: 80.8 KBMay 04 00:48
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schestowitz?May 04 00:48
schestowitz[00:46] [Notice] -TRIdentica to #techrights- [wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks Japan: Okinawa base figures falsified by over USbil http://alturl.com/tx6mrMay 04 00:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Attachmate lays off Mono employees, moves Suse development (back) to Europe (Internet News): http://bit.ly/jbfsZDMay 04 00:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] @jankusanagi: I did your name wrong in one of the dents in this convo's context, but oh well since yep there is context :D.May 04 00:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Attachmate lays off Mono employees - InternetNews:The Blog - Sean Michael Kerner .::. Size~: 119.33 KBMay 04 00:49
schestowitz"Sorry about those developers. I hope they can find other employment. Please go to other FOSS projects. Everyone should realize that this was an attempt to compormise Linux so that MicroSlouch could sue and extort money or worse yet, kill Linux. Please stay away from Microsoft, Oracle, and Novell products. I myself will never touch any of these again, There simply isn't any need to. Hopefully there will be an alternative to Java soon. May 04 00:51
schestowitzAnybody that has any ideas, post them, let's get this going!"May 04 00:51
oiaohmschestowitz: so you have already forgot about redhat ceylonMay 04 00:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] What a good week. Future king gets married, #Novell dies, #Mono Scientology-esque cult comes to an end. What next? #USPTO kills #swpats ?May 04 00:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] What a good week. Future king gets married, Novell dies, Mono Scientology-esque cult comes to an end. What next? USPTO kills swpats ?May 04 00:54
schestowitzoiaohm: no, I wrote about it tooMay 04 00:54
schestowitzBut it can be divisiveMay 04 00:54
schestowitzYet another call for trouble from oracle or fragmentationMay 04 00:55
oiaohmRedhat cannot be touched.May 04 00:55
oiaohmRedhat is legally free and clear todo it.  All the other like google never did their legal side correctly.May 04 00:55
oiaohmreally java vs ceylon would be good for the java world.  Like gcc and llvm vs each other.May 04 00:56
oiaohmSince then the both compliers have improved a lot.May 04 00:56
oiaohmYes mono cultures are bad in the open source world as well.  People get lazy.May 04 00:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Red Hat to preview Java caching technology (Network World): http://bit.ly/lFS8GOMay 04 00:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] "According to reports, around 700 to 800 employees are being laid off." http://is.gd/nEjjBB #novellMay 04 00:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "According to reports, around 700 to 800 employees are being laid off." http://is.gd/nEjjBB !novellMay 04 00:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Layoffs begin at Novell's Utah base  - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 38.69 KBMay 04 00:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Layoffs begin at Novell's Utah base  - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 38.69 KBMay 04 00:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft boosters mourn the loss of Microsoft-esque projects http://is.gd/tu6Bug #mono #novell #swpats #TrojanMay 04 01:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: .NET Android and iOS clones stripped by Attachmate • The Register .::. Size~: 24.74 KBMay 04 01:02
oiaohmNow that has to ruin .Net developers day.May 04 01:08
oiaohmWill leave room for QT of course.May 04 01:08
oiaohmWonder what Nokia thinking right now.May 04 01:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Apple or #Mac zealots pretend that #gnu #linux and #ubuntu have had no dock until now http://is.gd/dNt3Gu Apple just "lifted" the dockMay 04 01:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Apple has #swpats on dock. Now, now...actually *patenting* something so obvious, *that's* innovative.May 04 01:09
schestowitzHehMay 04 01:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ubuntu gets a dock a decade late |  9 to 5 Mac   Ubuntu gets a dock a decade late | Apple Intelligence .::. Size~: 59.48 KBMay 04 01:09
schestowitzElop ruined Qt for MicrosoftMay 04 01:09
schestowitzFor everyone else Nokia is worth forgettingMay 04 01:09
schestowitzElop poured gasoline over himself, not the platformsMay 04 01:10
schestowitz!google elop pour gasolineMay 04 01:10
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Nokia CEO to employees: “We poured gasoline on our own burning ... | http://www.techautos.com/2011/02/08/nokia-ceo-to-employees-we-poured-gasoline-on-our-own-burning-platform/May 04 01:10
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Nokia: 'We poured gasoline on our own burning platform' | News ... | http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/nokia-we-poured-gasoline-on-our-own-burning-platform--927150May 04 01:10
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Bio: Stephen Elop - BusinessWeek | http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/09_27/b4138032168910.htmMay 04 01:10
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Nokia on 'burning platform' says boss Stephen Elop - News - Know ... | http://www.knowyourmobile.com/blog/764248/nokia_on_burning_platform_says_boss_stephen_elop.htmlMay 04 01:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Another attempted attack on WikiLeaks journalist by armed gunmen http://is.gd/x1tMnpMay 04 01:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Another attempted attack on opposition radio station journalist - Reporters Without Borders .::. Size~: 51.29 KBMay 04 01:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Can Ubuntu finally give Windows a run for its money? http://is.gd/74lTcG http://is.gd/VYgek9 http://is.gd/IZHorn http://is.gd/Yz33ClMay 04 01:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Novell openSUSE 11.4 review from TechRadar UK's expert reviews of Operating systems .::. Size~: 73.08 KBMay 04 01:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Manila Standard Today -- Ubuntu’s new face  -- 2011/may/3 .::. Size~: 26.72 KBMay 04 01:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ubuntu 11.04 is a free operating system with a cool new interface - Computeractive downloads .::. Size~: 67.17 KBMay 04 01:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ubuntu’s New Unity Interface Makes Linux Friendly For The Mainstream .::. Size~: 59.89 KBMay 04 01:14
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/72606282May 04 01:14
TechrightsBot-tr@Danny (tekk)'s status on Wednesday, 04-May-11 00:11:57 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz actually they state that it was borrowed from 'linux' in the articleMay 04 01:14
schestowitzLinux has a dock? I thought it was more modular than that. /me checks kernel.org...May 04 01:15
oiaohmschestowitz: http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/05/02/digia-is-working-full-steam-ahead-with-qt-commercial  Really QT has not be harmed out of all Elop moves.May 04 01:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Digia is working full steam ahead with Qt Commercial — The Qt Blog .::. Size~: 58.01 KBMay 04 01:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @wikileaks2 Another attempted attack on WikiLeaks journalist by armed gunmen http://is.gd/x1tMnpMay 04 01:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @tekk Linux has a dock? I thought it was more modular than that. /me checks kernel.org...May 04 01:16
oiaohmDigia and KDE historically have worked with each other very well.May 04 01:16
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oiaohmnothing to show that will change today.May 04 01:16
schestowitzoiaohm: what's in it for Microsoft-dominated Nokia, long-term?May 04 01:16
oiaohmschestowitz: For Qt with or without Nokia will not harm it.May 04 01:17
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/72606431May 04 01:17
TechrightsBot-tr@Danny (tekk)'s status on Wednesday, 04-May-11 00:14:59 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz which is incorrect itself, osx inherists it from NeXTSTEPMay 04 01:17
oiaohmBecause digia is basically what trolltech was that run Qt quite well before nokia.  schestowitzMay 04 01:17
schestowitzSteve Jobs brought it to Apple. "We've always been shameless about stealing great ideas." --Steve Jobs, pathetic charlatanMay 04 01:18
oiaohmNokia still needs interface applications on OS X and the like.May 04 01:18
schestowitzoh yeahMay 04 01:18
schestowitzdigiaMay 04 01:18
schestowitzI forgot, I was not around at the timeMay 04 01:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Debian May Begin Rolling Release Branch http://is.gd/K5nvoI !debian rocks (solid)May 04 01:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @tekk Steve Jobs brought it to Apple. "We've always been shameless about stealing great ideas." --Steve Jobs, pathetic charlatanMay 04 01:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Debian May Begin Rolling Release Branch .::. Size~: 35.3 KBMay 04 01:19
oiaohmIn fact some of digia core staff were from trolltech that left when Nokia aquired trolltech.May 04 01:19
oiaohmBasically Tolltech is back with a new nicer name.May 04 01:20
oiaohmThis the the problem with good open source.  Its basically impossible for 1 company to kill it.  schestowitzMay 04 01:21
oiaohmIf a company tries another company steps up and takes over.May 04 01:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] 7 Days. Then what?May 04 01:22
oiaohmschestowitz: The thing is I expect flying chairs at nokia and MS over what Attachmate has just done.May 04 01:24
oiaohmschestowitz: Since it takes away port to .net and get all platforms.May 04 01:24
oiaohmschestowitz: as a sales method.May 04 01:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Huh, clientside filtering on kmail works with my work email account, but not my personal mail. #wtfMay 04 01:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 0 Reasons why I will not upgrade from #Firefox 3.6 to Firefox 4! http://is.gd/Ae0IXn I'm waiting for 5 or 6. #MozillaMay 04 01:26
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schestowitzoiaohm: we shall seeMay 04 01:26
schestowitzI wonder if Microsoft will rescue or pick them upMay 04 01:26
schestowitzImagine thisMay 04 01:26
schestowitzMicrosoft offers all 30 devs a jobMay 04 01:26
oiaohmWould part solve the patent problem.May 04 01:26
schestowitzAnd then declares FOSS loveMay 04 01:26
schestowitzAnd...May 04 01:26
schestowitzhere comes to scary partMay 04 01:27
schestowitzIt claims to be managing parts of distrosMay 04 01:27
schestowitzAnd makes Miguel a GM at MicrosoftMay 04 01:27
oiaohmScaryly this might be on the cards.May 04 01:27
sebsebsebschestowitz: Look at this convo I guess :D http://identi.ca/conversation/70239815  anyway I think he may have gone to bed now, thinking it's not cool to be on Twitter LOL.May 04 01:28
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Conversation - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 32.36 KBMay 04 01:28
oiaohmLike MS server management software these days includes some Linux support.May 04 01:28
schestowitzthey sometimes remove thatMay 04 01:29
schestowitze.g. at FASTMay 04 01:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] A new and improved #AwesomeBar for #Firefox by #Mozilla http://is.gd/k8CdZ2 one of the greater features of FF 3.xMay 04 01:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: A new and improved AwesomeBar for Firefox - Online Best Latest Price Reviews | Features in India .::. Size~: 122 KBMay 04 01:29
oiaohmschestowitz: I mean to set Linux server setting from windows.May 04 01:29
oiaohmThe bugger include automatted sshMay 04 01:30
oiaohmfor management.May 04 01:30
schestowitzsebsebseb: like you avatarMay 04 01:30
schestowitzit fits the identca theme/palette tooMay 04 01:30
oiaohmThis is tech that 5 years ago I would have said no way in Hell MS would include.  schestowitzMay 04 01:30
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/72606639May 04 01:31
TechrightsBot-tr@Danny (tekk)'s status on Wednesday, 04-May-11 00:18:46 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz read my dent, don't just hit reply. I attributed the quote to them, that was before my timeMay 04 01:31
sebsebsebschestowitz: it fits the identica theme?May 04 01:31
schestowitzI was sarcastic.May 04 01:31
oiaohmAlso management controls are also being provided for iphones and android.  sebsebsebMay 04 01:31
oiaohmOpps schestowitzMay 04 01:31
oiaohmThat was also impossible 5 years.May 04 01:31
schestowitzvMay 04 01:31
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/72606984May 04 01:31
TechrightsBot-tr@Danny (tekk)'s status on Wednesday, 04-May-11 00:25:05 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz which has nothing to do with this, next had the dock before X was born, or shortly after when we all used other stuffMay 04 01:31
schestowitzSureMay 04 01:31
oiaohmBasically there are signs MS is getting desperate.May 04 01:31
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/72607109May 04 01:32
oiaohmand will basically try anything to hold onto market share.May 04 01:32
TechrightsBot-tr@George Hostler (ghostler)'s status on Wednesday, 04-May-11 00:27:47 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz You are correct. I received E-mail notice a new responder replied. Looked it up and it was gone. Community LARTed them ASAP.May 04 01:32
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/72607113May 04 01:32
TechrightsBot-tr@Claudio (claudiom)'s status on Wednesday, 04-May-11 00:27:58 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Have you played around with Aurora at all?May 04 01:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @tekk I was sarcastic.May 04 01:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @tekk SureMay 04 01:32
sebsebsebschestowitz: what about RT not really meant to be used on Identica? unless people are using Identica as a dumping ground for Tweets?May 04 01:32
schestowitzAurora might be worth a try. Right now I look for a dockable browser better than plasma-desktop's konq widget, which is inflexibleMay 04 01:33
Ender2070Like I said before - aren't you happy they are using it at all?May 04 01:33
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/65574649299349504May 04 01:34
TechrightsBot-tr@Metztli_IT: ♺ @schestowitz #Apple's #swpats on dock…*patenting*…obvious, *that's* innovative☝ #IBM OS/2 had #app "Dock"/"Launchpad" http://ub0.cc/bb/QJMay 04 01:34
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/explodingwalrus/status/65574673806659584May 04 01:34
TechrightsBot-tr@explodingwalrus: @schestowitz ha first link was an article about novell! others were Ubuntu related though :)May 04 01:34
schestowitzOopsMay 04 01:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jamesm/@jamesm] 1st commercial embedded Linux OS certified at EAL4+, Wind River Linux Secure, utilizes SELinux - http://is.gd/8IT088May 04 01:34
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sebsebsebEnder2070: dented this person saying the bridge is ok to use :)May 04 01:34
sebsebsebEnder2070: Identica to Twitter that's goodMay 04 01:34
sebsebsebTwitter to Identica on the other hand, no that doesn't tend to be good at allMay 04 01:34
sebsebsebwhy? simpleMay 04 01:34
sebsebsebtaking the Mageia people for example, as a result of that, they don't tend to bother sending to the group the news from the @mageia userMay 04 01:35
oiaohmLOLMay 04 01:35
Ender2070I'd like to do Twitter to IdenticaMay 04 01:35
oiaohmsome people.May 04 01:35
schestowitzEnder2070: yesMay 04 01:35
sebsebseband they send to Facebook as well at the same time.  also apparnatly even using !mageia would make it show ok on Twitter?May 04 01:35
oiaohmjamesm the 1 embedded Linux OS certified to EAL4+ was done by redhat.May 04 01:35
schestowitzbut it's like asking Microsoft to add ext3 support to WindowsMay 04 01:35
sebsebseboiaohm: yeah they haven't even bothered with an avatar for that group yet on Identica,  I have seen people ask about that on Identica beforeMay 04 01:35
sebsebseboiaohm: I think we need to get at least the avater sorted out before June 1st, when the Mageia 1 release is meant to be coming outMay 04 01:36
sebsebseb,because I mean that may look strange, to quite a lot of people who are intersted in the distro, but that use Identica.  Why does the group not have an avatar?  I mean even the @mageia user does, but the group noMay 04 01:36
oiaohmsebsebseb: Really I would be having a laugh.May 04 01:37
Ender2070schestowitz - you can add a driver to get that supportMay 04 01:37
oiaohmsebsebseb: Small sign saying something funny as a fill in for a Avatar icon.May 04 01:37
*sebsebseb burnt his hands, and arms a bit, a while ago now. I guess that hot water tap was more hot than I thought. Done this kind of thing before a few or more times, just seems a bit worse this time, that's all. It will sort itself out properly later I guess though :).May 04 01:37
sebsebseboiaohm: you mean having a laugh at how these founders, like Twitter, and don't really care about Identica?May 04 01:38
schestowitzEnder2070: from Microsoft?May 04 01:38
Ender2070noMay 04 01:38
schestowitzand not out of the boxMay 04 01:38
Ender2070it can be doneMay 04 01:38
schestowitzI knowMay 04 01:38
sebsebseboiaohm: to the extent where they don't even bother uploading an avater for the group, after all this timeMay 04 01:38
schestowitzreiserfs tooMay 04 01:38
oiaohmsebsebseb: I was more like a for rent sign.May 04 01:38
schestowitzEnder2070: you can teach bears how to danceMay 04 01:38
Ender2070the reiserfs implementation is a little dangerous thoughMay 04 01:38
schestowitz!google bears dancingMay 04 01:38
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oiaohmsebsebseb: so that the end users in time will get to decide the avater.May 04 01:39
sebsebseboiaohm: also I shoudn't really need to have a reason to feel the need to redent @mageia to the  group, because it should be denting there in the first  place, which it has only about three times after all this time.May 04 01:39
Ender2070you might have to work out a plea bargain to get your files backMay 04 01:39
oiaohmsebsebseb: Its goign to be their distribution.May 04 01:39
sebsebseboiaohm: no look.  http://identi.ca/groupmageiaMay 04 01:39
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sebsebseboiaohm: http://identi.ca/tag/mageiaMay 04 01:39
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schestowitzEnder2070: rm -rf /home/ninaMay 04 01:39
sebsebsebhttp://identi.ca/mageiaMay 04 01:39
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sebsebseboiaohm: now looking at those pages, what is wrong? well yes ok the avater thing, but what else?May 04 01:39
oiaohmhttp://identi.ca/mageia  << This one exists.  sebsebsebMay 04 01:40
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oiaohmsebsebseb: fully iconed and all.May 04 01:40
sebsebseboiaohm: yep that's the mageia userMay 04 01:40
sebsebseboiaohm: the @mageia account, that is also really meant to send to the groupMay 04 01:40
Ender2070I thought they discovered the remains in the Gnome TrashMay 04 01:40
sebsebseb,but doesn'tMay 04 01:40
sebsebsebexcept for like three times in the past 2010May 04 01:40
sebsebseboiaohm: also another problem, many people subscribed to the mageia user, but not the group,  but that's what happens, when stuff like this happens I guessMay 04 01:41
oiaohmsebsebseb: This sounds like you have internal problems.May 04 01:41
Ender2070so is mageia just going to be a rebranded open source mandriva?May 04 01:41
Ender2070like centos?May 04 01:41
sebsebseboiaohm: maybe they will listen to me properly when I am offically on the marketting team, or not,  I haven't botherd to put myself down on the wiki yet.May 04 01:41
oiaohmsebsebseb: Really ideal is mageia on identi.ca should be under marketting control.May 04 01:41
sebsebsebEnder2070: first version will be very similar to Mandriva 2011, since it was forked from cooker,  then they will go more in their own direction after thatMay 04 01:42
oiaohmsebsebseb: because be truthful humans are dumb they will not find mageiagroup in most cases.May 04 01:42
oiaohmsebsebseb: mageiaproject would stand a better chance of being found.May 04 01:43
sebsebsebWhy do people have to be lazy, send the message, specifically for Identica, if it means it goes to the group as well :)  I don't care,  I don't care, as long as it goes in the group, and I shoudn't need to feel the need to re dent it like I been doing for the gorup, as in you can see by looking at the groupMay 04 01:43
sebsebsebI shoudn't have to do that at all, or feel the need toMay 04 01:43
oiaohmsebsebseb: have you guys done trademark yet?May 04 01:43
sebsebseband the group should be people having fun,  to do with the distro, and all that as well :)May 04 01:43
sebsebseboiaohm: the Mageia board was set up at FOSDEM in FebruraryMay 04 01:43
oiaohmsebsebseb: ie trademark you could if required take the identa by force.May 04 01:44
sebsebseboiaohm: well like I say the @mageia who is the admin fo the group on there,  is run by the foundersMay 04 01:44
oiaohmOk so try to be friendly at first.May 04 01:44
sebsebseb,but really they just use Identica as a dumping ground for stuff from Twitter with that accountMay 04 01:44
sebsebseband I have complained about it to them on IRC before, and they basically laughed at it  one of the foundersMay 04 01:45
sebsebsebwell ok not quiteMay 04 01:45
oiaohmReally it should be the other way.May 04 01:45
sebsebseb,but told me that groups are pointless on identica yesMay 04 01:45
sebsebsebwhich is very much so far from the truth, but a lot of Twitter people don't understand that, since Twitter doesn't have groupsMay 04 01:45
oiaohmReally ideal is to have your own identica source server somewhere.May 04 01:45
sebsebseboiaohm: if community is done right for this new distro, I think it could hit off quite well,  give Ubuntu some nice proper competition in a year or two or so even :), but if not well,   yeah it won'tMay 04 01:46
oiaohmLot of ways I have found cases for identica groups better handled by forums and mailing lists.May 04 01:46
sebsebseboh the distro itself will be great, but the community needs work to become really great as well :)May 04 01:46
sebsebseboiaohm: uh do you use Identica?May 04 01:47
schestowitzodd new vid: http://tinyogg.com/watch/jr3Vz/May 04 01:47
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oiaohmBasically never.  sebsebseb I do have an account.May 04 01:47
sebsebseboiaohm: well we got forums, and mailing lists as well, the offical whole community, and then there are sub forums and such as wellMay 04 01:47
sebsebsebit seems with MageiaMay 04 01:47
sebsebsebthey want loads of small sub communites as well, for counteries and what notMay 04 01:48
oiaohmsebsebseb: wine project you will find is traditional.May 04 01:48
sebsebsebwell not small, but you know what I mean I guessMay 04 01:48
oiaohmReally looking at wine forum source code might give you guys some nice ideas.May 04 01:48
oiaohmSince wine forum joins directly to wine users mailing list.May 04 01:48
sebsebseboiaohm: maybe they should make me admin of  mageia group, I have dented the most to it so far after all, altough that was mainly, because of the issue with the mageia userMay 04 01:48
sebsebsebthat alone won't solve the dents issueMay 04 01:49
sebsebsebthoughMay 04 01:49
oiaohmIe web and mailing users directly interface with each other with wine.May 04 01:49
sebsebsebthis isn't Ubuntu on identica or someting like thatMay 04 01:49
sebsebsebwhere well yeahMay 04 01:49
sebsebseba lot of dents go only to the tag, and a lot to both group and tagMay 04 01:49
oiaohmOne of the big problems I have with identica twitter and so on is segmentation.  sebsebsebMay 04 01:49
oiaohmsebsebseb: You end up with groups of users not talking to each other.May 04 01:50
sebsebsebso whilst it's small, why not have it, so the news goes to the group, pretty much every time? and ideally done properly with the @mageia sending to itMay 04 01:50
oiaohmWine for news is old school rss feed.May 04 01:50
sebsebsebthen if it ever becomes popular enough, well so what I guess, if not everything that should be really, is not going to the group as wellMay 04 01:51
oiaohmsebsebseb: Most important thing avoid segmenting users unless is absolutely required.May 04 01:51
sebsebseboiaohm: groups of users don't talk to each other?May 04 01:51
oiaohmWine at one point had 8 different mailing listsMay 04 01:52
oiaohmThat has been cut back to 3.May 04 01:52
sebsebseboiaohm: what I think is, one of these things shoudn't get to pouplar, like with PC LInux OSMay 04 01:52
sebsebseboiaohm: for example they mainly use the forum for support and that,  IRC hardly has any people in itMay 04 01:52
sebsebseband then when newbies come for support in the IRC, depends who is there really does, if they get a reply or not, if they get help or notMay 04 01:52
oiaohmWe joined the forum and mailing listMay 04 01:52
oiaohmin wineMay 04 01:52
oiaohmTo prevent knowledge drifiting into 1 group.May 04 01:53
sebsebsebI belive for a distro to be popular and work communitywise, it needs a good IRC, forum, and sure stuff like Identica and Twitter to an extent evenMay 04 01:53
oiaohmAlso to keep IRC alive we have regularly developer meetings in irc.May 04 01:53
oiaohmThe lead developer also maintains a fairly major presence on irc.May 04 01:54
sebsebseband oh sure Ubuntu IRC could be much better, and their forums even from what I been told, but really this works for Ubuntu, and so yep they keep the big userbase for now, since all the hype and thatMay 04 01:54
sebsebsebfor exampleMay 04 01:54
oiaohmWithout out it IRC will fade.May 04 01:54
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oiaohmLike we have winehq and winehackers.May 04 01:54
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oiaohmAs major wine channels.May 04 01:54
schestowitzman vs moose in sweden (the original)  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YZEbBZ2IrXEMay 04 01:54
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sebsebseboiaohm: I love the idea of a good  new distro, hitting off properly, and yeah that may be Mageia, I can see Mageia as possibly being a rather popular distro in like two years or soMay 04 01:55
oiaohmadvantage I am giving support something goes strange.  I can go sideways to winehackers and ask the releated coder if he is on line.May 04 01:55
oiaohmThis way IRC works very well.May 04 01:55
cubezzzIRC ftwMay 04 01:55
oiaohmProblem is IRC without access to developers will nto work.May 04 01:55
sebsebseboiaohm: for now Mageia  founders are on IRC most/all of them, but will they disappear more later on hmmMay 04 01:55
oiaohmBasically developers will decide what support system can or cannot work. May 04 01:55
oiaohmYou don't need all developers there all the time.May 04 01:56
sebsebseboiaohm: what's kind of interesting though, is how the like second main founder,  doesn't want to go into the channel that is the support and such channel at the moment really, but he's around in the developers channel and suchMay 04 01:56
oiaohmYou just need thier presence.May 04 01:56
oiaohmSome developers in wine are banned from going into the support channel.May 04 01:57
sebsebseboiaohm: oh?May 04 01:57
oiaohmBecause they serouslly have too short of tempers.May 04 01:57
oiaohmSome people cannot tollerate fools.May 04 01:57
sebsebsebschestowitz: oh I got an idea for a techbytes guest of course, oiaohmMay 04 01:57
oiaohmThe split between end users and developers is kinda required.  sebsebsebMay 04 01:57
cubezzzoiaohm, is this free support? If so, hard to blame the developersMay 04 01:57
cubezzzpaid support is different of courseMay 04 01:58
oiaohmcubezzz: its personality.May 04 01:58
schestowitzsebsebseb: awesomeMay 04 01:58
oiaohmcubezzz: even if its free vititam one of wine best keyboard mouse and game controller guys.May 04 01:58
sebsebseboiaohm: sure and then distro's get their community people,  Ubuntu has jono,  and I would like to become a more proper community person for this Mageia :) and hopefuly that distro will start gaining quite a big userbase as time goes on,  ok, maybe not quite the Ubuntu numbers by a long way, but enough of one  for us to be able to have events and so on :)May 04 01:58
oiaohmcubezzz: he has a rep from winehq of losing his cool and baning users from winehq.May 04 01:59
oiaohmcubezzz: Ie not suitable person to be giving support.May 04 01:59
sebsebsebproper events, with quite a lot of people,  and espesially for UK since yeah :)May 04 01:59
oiaohmcubezzz: but a very suitable person to have a more skilled person ask a question of.May 04 01:59
cubezzzoiaohm, yeah, no doubtMay 04 02:00
sebsebseboiaohm: a distro can be really great, but I guess for many people, it would be seen as a failure really, unless it has a big enough user base and thatMay 04 02:00
oiaohmcubezzz: basically some people should be near new users and some people should not.May 04 02:00
sebsebseboiaohm: and I think for many people, they think the most popular distro's such as Ubuntu and Fedora, and to an extent OpenSuse?  are the like Linux distro successes at the moment, becuase of being most popular, you knowMay 04 02:00
oiaohmand if a person does not want to be near new users they should not be forced to be.May 04 02:00
oiaohmAlso me not a wine developer.  For a while in wine I run a training program.May 04 02:01
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/65578123139358720May 04 02:01
TechrightsBot-tr@Metztli_IT: ♺ @schestowitz #Apple's #swpats on dock…*patenting*…obvious,*that's* innovative☝ #IBM OS/2 had #app "Dock"/"Launchpad" http://trunc.it/fn9swMay 04 02:01
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oiaohmNot to train coders.May 04 02:01
oiaohmBut to train general users to take up the common support issues. schestowitzMay 04 02:01
oiaohmoPps sebsebsebMay 04 02:01
sebsebseboiaohm: got a microphone? get yoursrself on Techbytes :)May 04 02:01
oiaohmNot at the moment.  sebsebsebMay 04 02:01
sebsebseboiaohm: no me either, but I will buy something soon, because of TechbytesMay 04 02:02
oiaohmreactos and wine both have had their issues.May 04 02:02
sebsebseboiaohm: unless this guy wants to send me a headset still or whatever maybeMay 04 02:02
oiaohmreactos had there forums go nuts.May 04 02:02
cubezzzstarting to like 1280x1024 mode nowMay 04 02:02
oiaohmInto a huge flamewar mess.May 04 02:02
cubezzzafter being on 1024x768 for years and yearsMay 04 02:02
oiaohmTo the point the developers would not go near it.May 04 02:02
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oiaohmAdminisration of you support systems is key. sebsebsebMay 04 02:03
Ender2070http://youtu.be/0LxHOcsaa7sMay 04 02:03
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sebsebseboiaohm: Administration of support system???May 04 02:03
Ender2070ROFLMAO http://youtu.be/-ObFdRhtx5wMay 04 02:03
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oiaohmsebsebseb: so this is not something you have though about yet?May 04 02:04
sebsebseboiaohm: what do you mean exactly?May 04 02:04
oiaohmPeople to enforce good conduct.May 04 02:04
oiaohmSo no insult other people no banning people without valid grounds.  In wine case no talking about copyright infringment.May 04 02:05
cubezzzoiaohm, that's good advise in general :)May 04 02:05
oiaohmNo tell users to do rm -rf /May 04 02:05
cubezzzadvice...May 04 02:05
oiaohmIt a common thing over looked when setting up.  sebsebsebMay 04 02:05
sebsebseboiaohm: I have talked about rules for Mageia IRC channels, with probably two founders or whatever beforeMay 04 02:05
sebsebseband suchMay 04 02:06
sebsebseboiaohm: and basically they uhmmMay 04 02:06
oiaohmreactos and wine both made mistakes when it came to support channels.May 04 02:06
sebsebsebwellMay 04 02:06
cubezzzoiaohm, just couldn't find a damned db25f <-> db25f gender changer...May 04 02:06
cubezzzspent an hour lookingMay 04 02:06
sebsebseboiaohm: it seems  right now, they aren't really going to bother with a proper system, like an ops room and suchMay 04 02:06
sebsebseband olorin_ see this later or whatever ^May 04 02:06
oiaohmsebsebseb: the issue is what ever the ops do there must be rules.May 04 02:06
oiaohmor form admins do.May 04 02:07
sebsebseboiaohm: indeedMay 04 02:07
sebsebseboiaohm: it seems it's just follow the Freenode rules for now thoughMay 04 02:07
oiaohmwine has extra rules on top of freenodeMay 04 02:07
sebsebseboiaohm: yeah well so does Ubuntu, I knowMay 04 02:07
oiaohmLike not talking about cracked software.May 04 02:07
sebsebseboiaohm: something I have thought about for quite a while in fact, what will happen when the trolls and spammers come?May 04 02:08
sebsebsebhow are we going to deal with that properlyMay 04 02:08
cubezzzOlórin I was in the West that is forgotten :)May 04 02:08
oiaohmfreenode like rules also need to apply to your webbased forums and mailing lists.May 04 02:08
cubezzznot sure about the exact quoteMay 04 02:08
oiaohmIf they don't you will have big trouble.  sebsebsebMay 04 02:08
sebsebseboiaohm: well they do have values, a kind of scout motto, but other then that, there isn't really anythingMay 04 02:08
olorin_sebsebseb: Huh?May 04 02:08
sebsebsebolorin_: talking about Mageia and things not being set up properlyMay 04 02:08
olorin_sebsebseb: Ah.May 04 02:09
sebsebsebolorin_: first it was the Identica stuff, now moved on to IRC, and how no proper rules yet and suchMay 04 02:09
oiaohmsebsebseb: before release its ideal to have a basic set rules layed down.  even if they are just copied from another project.May 04 02:09
cubezzzoh, wait there is a user called that... oops :)May 04 02:09
oiaohmsebsebseb: the rules can altered latter of course if they are wrong.May 04 02:09
oiaohmsebsebseb: Other wise ops and admins who are doign the right actions will become targets.May 04 02:09
sebsebseboiaohm: well olorin_ is one of the ops of the main support channelMay 04 02:10
oiaohmsebsebseb: Ie its to protect people like olorin_May 04 02:10
Ender2070http://youtu.be/k_CSRoA0MkAMay 04 02:10
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sebsebsebolorin_: well they may ahve forked Mandriva, but they didn't fork a lot of it's community rules and such with it :DMay 04 02:10
oiaohmsebsebseb: person complains about being banned by olorin_ and olorin_ can then just point at the rule book and say there was the rule your fault.May 04 02:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New PCLinuxOS Magazine, Firefox Fork, Linux Preinstalled on ARM http://is.gd/uyLBgT !techrightsMay 04 02:11
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oiaohmsebsebseb: without it olorin_ will get accused of bias.May 04 02:11
oiaohmsebsebseb: and I do mean will.May 04 02:11
olorin_oiaohm: You have indeed a point.May 04 02:11
sebsebseboiaohm: this kind of thing I been wondering about for quite a while,  I mean I got op in three Mageia channel (for even if this other channel that doesn't really get used counts)May 04 02:11
oiaohmolorin_: Its just that I have been around long enough. I know humans well enough.May 04 02:12
sebsebsebolorin_: I talked to a founder or two about this before, but it was like they didn't care much.  and I like mentioned how Ubuntu had a good system really, and then it's like, oh, but according to Ubuntu fr people it was to strictMay 04 02:12
oiaohmthere are just thing you have to have setup before the commnuity turns up.May 04 02:12
olorin_I would probably give a reason in the kick/ban message...May 04 02:12
oiaohmolorin_: It really has to be written up rules that the person could have read before you banned them.May 04 02:12
sebsebsebolorin_: as people who are going to be invovled in the community and a bit more properly than most,  we need to get these issues sorted out really :)May 04 02:12
oiaohmolorin_: otherwise you will get claims of bias against you.May 04 02:13
oiaohmmight ahve a few years without.May 04 02:13
oiaohmBut it will always come.May 04 02:13
sebsebseboiaohm: June 1st isn't that long to go now,  and then welll soon after I guess it's say hello to the trolls and spammers at times, but uh right some trolls read the logs of this channel even here and there so hmmMay 04 02:13
olorin_I agree completely. The Freenode rules is not enough.May 04 02:13
sebsebsebthat was for olorin_ ^May 04 02:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] New PCLinuxOS Magazine, Firefox Fork, Linux Preinstalled on ARM http://is.gd/uyLBgT #techrightsMay 04 02:14
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oiaohmsebsebseb: Yep troll spammers.  People who want everything.May 04 02:14
sebsebsebolorin_: we don't even have a ops room at the moment,  and I am thinking an ops room, for ops of any offical Mageia channel.  in the case of Ubuntu IRC they have a ops room for the core ops,  but also an international ops room for the ops of any offical Ubuntu channelMay 04 02:15
cubezzzpeople can be so impolite in IRC May 04 02:15
olorin_sebsebseb: Most trolls can be ignored, it's the bloody spammers that annoys me.May 04 02:15
oiaohmsebsebseb: basically the trash of human world will turn up.May 04 02:15
oiaohmdevelopers are mostly nice people.May 04 02:15
oiaohmSo while its just rooms of developers the project is fairly nice and the ops don't have major problems.May 04 02:15
cubezzzmy first experience in #linux was very negativeMay 04 02:15
oiaohmcubezzz: Yep still one of the worst managed channels out there.May 04 02:16
olorin_oiaohm: You're probably familiar with nasty people in #winehq?May 04 02:16
cubezzzin ##amiga and many other channels people were much friendlierMay 04 02:16
sebsebseboiaohm: so far  when I have tried to change something for the better,   to do with the Magiea to the founders on IRC, so yeah the Identica stuff, and even before mentiong having ops, it really hasn't worked out properly,  been kind of laughed at at times even, hmmMay 04 02:16
oiaohmolorin_: from doing winehq yes I know them first hand.May 04 02:16
oiaohmolorin_:  since rules we mostly don't get them.May 04 02:17
oiaohmolorin_:  odd 1 or 2 here or there.May 04 02:17
sebsebsebolorin_: and ok still not myself down for the marketting team on the wiki, or joined the mailing list, but uhmm.  if us marketting team people are going to, market this distro, we need to sort these little issues out as well,  and if that means changing the founders attidue a bit or trying to, I guess so be it?  and if we can't even do this,  then I guess this distro is going to end up being a failure really really communitywiseMay 04 02:17
oiaohmsebsebseb: really you need to split your people a little.May 04 02:18
oiaohmWine has 4 major cats.May 04 02:18
oiaohmusers, support people,  marketing and developers.May 04 02:18
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sebsebsebolorin_: June 1st not that long to go now,  and really we still aren't set up properly on the community sideMay 04 02:19
oiaohmEach of these groups have different skill sets and different tollerances.May 04 02:19
oiaohmsebsebseb: Lot is not that hard to setup.May 04 02:19
olorin_sebsebseb: Yes, and one of things I want to, which should have been done from the beginning, was to rewrite some of the tools, making them more in line with KDE4 etc and people expectations in 2011.May 04 02:19
oiaohmRules on behaviour.May 04 02:19
oiaohmThey most are the same in all location.May 04 02:19
oiaohmRules on content of channels.  That is a major difference.May 04 02:20
sebsebseboiaohm: oh? such as? ,but sure they woudn't have accepted that anyway?  I mean it wasn't meant to be a load of new features?  altough saying that, we are going to get this Java Maven thing in Mageia 1, which is somethingMay 04 02:20
oiaohmBecuase you don't want developers with users that hard doing support.May 04 02:20
sebsebsebuh again for olorin_ ^May 04 02:20
olorin_Damn.May 04 02:20
oiaohmSo you have channels for developer and users in 1.May 04 02:20
sebsebsebattack of the o's two of them olorin_ and oiaohmMay 04 02:21
olorin_Don't worry, I sometimes write to myself instead of oiaohm. :-)May 04 02:21
sebsebsebolorin_: they been very stubborn about how they would do Mageia 1, and what it would beMay 04 02:21
oiaohmAlso lot of users and developers don't want to hear marketing planing.  sebsebsebMay 04 02:21
oiaohmSerousally.May 04 02:21
sebsebsebolorin_: which is ok really I guess, but they should not be so stubborn for Mageia 2, and listen to the community and what it wants properlyMay 04 02:22
olorin_oiaohm: Yep, and that's why I advocated strongly for #libreoffice-dev. :-)May 04 02:22
oiaohmIe they are the target of marketing but they don't really want to know the fact.May 04 02:22
sebsebseboiaohm: yeah well there's a mailing list for Mageia marketting that yeah...May 04 02:22
oiaohmThis is why you have 4 groups.May 04 02:22
oiaohmAnd why you need rules on where particular content can be.May 04 02:23
sebsebseband a IRC channel of some sort even I thinkMay 04 02:23
olorin_oiaohm: Which reminds me of some alterations I did to the Norwegian LibO website and ML's.May 04 02:23
oiaohmSome case marketing channels in some project are invite only.May 04 02:23
oiaohmBecause you don't want compeition always knowing what you are doing marketing side.  sebsebsebMay 04 02:24
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oiaohmMarket is one of the sections that is hard.  sebsebsebMay 04 02:24
sebsebseboiaohm: oh and maybe we should take control of @mageia on Identica, the marketting team,  but that means they got tell us news first,  before we can tell others, but at least that way when I am in control of it, it will send to the !mageia group and not just the tag :DMay 04 02:24
oiaohmMarketting.May 04 02:24
sebsebsebuh this again stupid auto complete for yep olorin_ againMay 04 02:25
oiaohmMarketting also has to work close with developers.May 04 02:25
oiaohmif you want to see how marketing can screw up badly.May 04 02:25
oiaohmBest example is KDE 4.0May 04 02:25
oiaohmMarketing team was saying 1 thing developers were saying another.May 04 02:25
oiaohmResult many thousands of upset users.May 04 02:26
olorin_Marketing needs to be fed by developers etc.May 04 02:26
oiaohmolorin_: It need to feed back to developers.May 04 02:26
oiaohmIe developers sign off that the marketing push is correct.May 04 02:26
olorin_oiaohm: Yes, it's a both way operation.May 04 02:26
oiaohmKDE 4.0 case was a lack of a feedback.May 04 02:26
sebsebseboiaohm: what kind of stuff has the marketting team been doing anyway so far, or will be?  I mean I have  looked before on the mailing list, but back then,  it didn't really tell me muchMay 04 02:26
oiaohmsebsebseb: this is also rules.May 04 02:27
oiaohmSo that everyone knows the process.May 04 02:27
sebsebsebnuts for olorin_ ok maybe I should stop using high lighting at the moment :DMay 04 02:27
oiaohmIe who got to ack what.May 04 02:27
oiaohmBefore marketing goes out following people ahve to sign off basically sebsebsebMay 04 02:28
oiaohmAnd how the information will be sourced.May 04 02:28
oiaohmWithout this you will run into trouble.May 04 02:28
sebsebsebMageia marketting will be a diffuclt team to be on olorin_ or?May 04 02:28
oiaohmSo yes 5 days thinking about rules for everything.May 04 02:28
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oiaohmWill make the life of project many times simpler.  sebsebsebMay 04 02:28
oiaohmAnd reduce chance of major stuffups.May 04 02:29
olorin_sebsebseb: Dunno actually, there's been some changes since I joined.May 04 02:29
sebsebsebolorin_: such as?May 04 02:29
oiaohmsebsebseb: big thing KDE could live threw a major stuff up.May 04 02:29
olorin_sebsebseb: Like meetings. :-pMay 04 02:29
oiaohmNew distribution might not get a chance.May 04 02:29
oiaohmBiggest issue with Ubuntu is that user feedback can be straight up disrguarded.May 04 02:30
sebsebseboiaohm: yeah we need to market Mageia properly, get it out there, or it will be just some distro, that doesn't have much of a user baseMay 04 02:30
sebsebseband well yeah for Ubuntu ^May 04 02:30
olorin_sebsebseb: The main problem with Mageia is of course the slowness in project. Look at TDF and how fast they got up LibreOffice and its infrastructure.May 04 02:30
oiaohmsebsebseb: and the bad part to be able to market properly you need rules how that will operate.May 04 02:30
DaemonFCyou'd think the Republicans would try to win over the under 80 crowdMay 04 02:30
DaemonFCthere have to be a few people under 80 that voteMay 04 02:30
DaemonFCwhy do their candidates always look 30 years older than the guys in the Viagra commercials?May 04 02:30
DaemonFCI mean reallyMay 04 02:30
DaemonFCIf you can't get an erection, talk to your doctor about voting RepublicanMay 04 02:30
sebsebsebolorin_: well Mageia has still got a lack of developers at the moment reallyMay 04 02:30
DaemonFC(me from another chat)May 04 02:30
sebsebsebolorin_: developers/packagers/bothMay 04 02:31
oiaohmsebsebseb: They don't have to be perfect to start off with.  Ie over time you will refine them.May 04 02:31
oiaohmsebsebseb: but if the rules are not there it will be a disaster.May 04 02:31
oiaohmsebsebseb: who is going to be the press contact.May 04 02:31
sebsebsebolorin_: oh yeah someone might find this when searching for Mageia on Google :D   I mean this channel gets publically loggedMay 04 02:31
oiaohmsebsebseb: that is another must have.May 04 02:32
olorin_sebsebseb: Err, and you rememberd that now?May 04 02:32
oiaohmsebsebseb: because press will contact the press contact at times to make sure they have there facts straight.May 04 02:32
sebsebseboiaohm: could ask schestowitz to edit out maybe, but he woudn't normally,  altough it's not like we have said something bad?May 04 02:32
sebsebsebolorin_: ^May 04 02:33
olorin_DaemonFC: Maybe they liked the way the Polit Bureau did it.May 04 02:33
olorin_sebsebseb: Nothing that's already on the mailing lists afaik.May 04 02:33
oiaohmsebsebseb: also you are like olorin_ if running the marketting system and it goes wrong you don't have rules that you followed you will be the scape goat.May 04 02:33
oiaohmsebsebseb: I don't like seeing good people hurt because they missed the writting rules bit.May 04 02:34
sebsebseboiaohm: well yeah, the marketting team maybe also get some of the blame, if a version of the distro becomes basically a failure I guess?May 04 02:34
oiaohmsebsebseb: what i am getting at is like a KDE 4.0 event.May 04 02:35
oiaohmsebsebseb: were you got something wrong.May 04 02:35
oiaohmsebsebseb: if processes were followed to prevent this and it happened rules/processes get altered.May 04 02:35
oiaohmbecause the process/rules were to blame.May 04 02:35
sebsebseboiaohm: KDE 4.0 was meant to be for developers and testers really a early release, but distro's shipped itMay 04 02:36
oiaohmWithout them process/rules you are to blame.May 04 02:36
DaemonFCSeems like I run into more bugs in Mandriva than any other distroMay 04 02:36
sebsebseboiaohm: Which rules?May 04 02:36
DaemonFCI hope Mageia manages to clean it up a bitMay 04 02:36
oiaohmsebsebseb: and the marketing team of KDE was pushing it as the best thing since slice bread.May 04 02:36
DaemonFCthe package management on Mandriva is niceMay 04 02:36
olorin_DaemonFC: Anything special?May 04 02:36
oiaohmsebsebseb: KDE 4.0 marketing rules lacked a feed back to developer requirement.May 04 02:36
sebsebsebDaemonFC: Mageia should change that :)  ,but for Mageia 1 it would be similar bugwise I guess compared to Mandriva 2011May 04 02:36
DaemonFCoh, last time I used it it was mostly trying to get FGLRX to work that caused the most troubleMay 04 02:37
oiaohmsebsebseb: there were rules but they were wrong.May 04 02:37
oiaohmsebsebseb: so the axe did not fall in the marketing people.May 04 02:37
DaemonFCI'm using Kubuntu now because it's really easy to roll your own kernel and add a PPA that tracks the latest free driversMay 04 02:37
sebsebseboiaohm: I agree the marketting team needs good contact with the developers as well reallyMay 04 02:37
oiaohmsebsebseb: It need to be written up.May 04 02:38
DaemonFCI don't want to deal with FGLRX again, it's not worth the hassle May 04 02:38
oiaohmsebsebseb: so if something goes wrogn you can say the following process/rules was followed to approve marketing.May 04 02:38
oiaohmsebsebseb: how can we alter these to prevent to happening again.May 04 02:38
DaemonFCit's so bad that maintaining my own kernels to keep the drm code up to speed with Mesa is easier May 04 02:38
oiaohmsebsebseb:  I know formal is a pain in ass I hate doing it.May 04 02:39
olorin_DaemonFC: I thought it was mainly just installing and maybe running aticonfig at this stage.May 04 02:39
sebsebseboiaohm: well yeah there neeeds to be rules/guidliens for these things to follow, so that yeah, if something goes wrong,   got something to look at,  I think that's what your saying?May 04 02:39
DaemonFColorin_, You don't need aticonfig anymore May 04 02:39
DaemonFCor a xorg.confMay 04 02:39
oiaohmsebsebseb: Yep and you need those rules formal before you really get under way.May 04 02:39
DaemonFCbut it still has weird bugs that show up randomlyMay 04 02:39
DaemonFCthat never changesMay 04 02:39
sebsebseboiaohm: and Ubuntu log their support channels and  their ops,  room publically, probably so that if something happens, well there's the log to look atMay 04 02:40
oiaohmsebsebseb: other wise you can have big trouble leading to internal fighting.May 04 02:40
oiaohmsebsebseb: Internal fighting is the last thing you need.May 04 02:40
olorin_DaemonFC: Yeah, in most cases that will work just fine.May 04 02:40
sebsebsebolorin_: maybe we should have a ops room that is publically logged as well even for Mageia ^   however I think many people think stuff like that isn't really neassarey when the community is still small.   uh right, but when it comes to these things I think about the presant and the future.May 04 02:41
DaemonFCit would be nice if ATI just let FGLRX die, take it out back and give it both barrels and put the people maintaining it to work on the modern (key word) free (another key work) driver stackMay 04 02:41
oiaohmsebsebseb: Internal fighting is what forks projects quickly.  It bad enough having developer idea disagreements without support or marketing being causes.May 04 02:41
sebsebsebolorin_: if we do things properly communitywise as well,  something tells me, that Mageia could become well a lot more popular than current MandrivaMay 04 02:41
DaemonFC*wordMay 04 02:41
oiaohmsebsebseb: think about what started mageia away from mandrivaMay 04 02:42
olorin_DaemonFC: oiaohm might have some ideas about driver development.May 04 02:42
DaemonFCthe free driver is not as mature but the foundation is a lot more solid than FGLRX May 04 02:42
oiaohmsebsebseb: those are mistakes you must not repleat ever.  Becuase they will trigger a fork again.May 04 02:42
olorin_sebsebseb: Of course, and that's why we need to things a little bit different. Step one, get rid of the laidbackness.May 04 02:42
oiaohmolorin_: Its fine to be laidback once the rules are their.May 04 02:43
olorin_oiaohm: Yes, but only then.May 04 02:43
sebsebseboiaohm: we need to start thinking properly about the community NOW!   agreedMay 04 02:43
oiaohmolorin_: the issue is being laidback without a bed or rules to lay on.May 04 02:43
DaemonFCIt would be hilarious if ATI could release the full source code to their proprietary Linux driver. By that I mean, hilarious as Microsoft releasing the code to Internet Explorer.May 04 02:43
olorin_DaemonFC: Ain't gonna happen.May 04 02:44
sebsebsebagain I was meant to message you olorin_ ^May 04 02:44
oiaohmolorin_: Not exactly ture.May 04 02:44
oiaohmATI can release the source to good block of closed source driver in 10 years time.May 04 02:44
DaemonFCobviously, they'd be liable from all the people laughing so hard they couldn't breathe May 04 02:44
oiaohmIe when patents expire.  olorin_May 04 02:44
olorin_oiaohm: I think DaemonFC meant now.May 04 02:45
oiaohmATI had one of the worst patent management systems ever.May 04 02:45
sebsebsebolorin_: starting June 1st, Mageia will start getting quite a lot of attention, something tells me that quite a few people from the Ubuntu community may even try it, because of not being happy with Unity,  and like I already said, we need to sort out IRC a bit better before then really :)May 04 02:45
oiaohmSections of the open source driver are from the closed source driver.  olorin_May 04 02:45
DaemonFCThe public source for the kernel glue is lulzy enough, copyrights dating back to 1998 on some of the headersMay 04 02:45
sebsebseboiaohm: and people like new things as wellMay 04 02:45
sebsebsebolorin_: ^May 04 02:45
oiaohmsebsebseb: something else you guys have not thought about is bug management.May 04 02:46
olorin_oiaohm: I'm aware of that, but the third party proprieritary components they have licensed themselves are not of course.May 04 02:46
sebsebseboiaohm: uhmm Mageia has a bugzillaMay 04 02:46
DaemonFCThe way ATI ran things I'd be surprised if even AMD knows who owns what in their driverMay 04 02:46
oiaohmbugzilla is tracking not management.May 04 02:47
sebsebseboiaohm: uhmm Mageia has.  http://mageia.org/bugsMay 04 02:47
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sebsebsebolorin_: what's the site for the bugs ^May 04 02:47
oiaohmsebsebseb: wine has particular people who job is to go threw bugzilla searching for duplicates.May 04 02:47
olorin_I think oiaohm means something like TRAC.May 04 02:47
oiaohmolorin_: I mean a team.May 04 02:47
oiaohmolorin_: who job is basiclaly to look after the bugs.May 04 02:48
olorin_oiaohm: We have a Triage team.May 04 02:48
DaemonFCoiaohm, speaking of WINE, they had a whole page dedicated to the shit that FGLRX does to it at one pointMay 04 02:48
oiaohmDaemonFC: we still do.May 04 02:48
sebsebseboiaohm: a proper security team is being set up now as well :)May 04 02:48
oiaohmsebsebseb: so you have progressed from the last time I looked at you guys.May 04 02:48
sebsebseboiaohm: heh heh in a way I guessMay 04 02:49
olorin_We have, but I still think the pace is too slow.May 04 02:49
oiaohmolorin_: I really don't think slow.May 04 02:49
*olorin_ is demanding tonight.May 04 02:49
sebsebsebolorin_: I think a lot of people in the community don't have contact with each other onilne, which well is ashame really.May 04 02:49
oiaohmpersonally I think just a little out of order.May 04 02:50
DaemonFCWell, the nice thing about the free video drivers being free, is that when Wine has a problem due to a bug in the driver, they can and do actually go fix the driver (lots of patches from Wine devs in Mesa)May 04 02:50
sebsebsebolorin_: and I mean contributors not just end usersMay 04 02:50
oiaohmBasic I would have expected Triage team after communication rules.May 04 02:50
DaemonFCThere's nothing they can do about FGLRX except tell the user how to work around it, if that's even possibleMay 04 02:50
oiaohmBecause Triage teams can cause people to get upset when they merge bugs that should not be.May 04 02:51
oiaohmDaemonFC: recent FGLRX have got better.May 04 02:51
olorin_sebsebseb: It's downstraight impossible to interconnect those hiding in USENET to IRC and vice versa.May 04 02:51
sebsebsebolorin_: as for the founders, well they have mainly been thinking about the distro itself of cousre, and  setting up the board which was done back in February,  but the actsual community has been like a side thing I guess.   oh and has the marketting team been told what to do by someone,  or has it been mainly do what the marketting wants to do? for exampleMay 04 02:51
oiaohmolorin_: Not exactly.May 04 02:51
sebsebsebwell I meant loads of people on IRC, don't really know each other yet, online,  in the Mageia IRCMay 04 02:52
olorin_oiaohm: No, but they sure are stubborn creatures.May 04 02:52
oiaohmIt is possible to one way link usenet to ircMay 04 02:52
sebsebsebalso oh Mageia is on usenet?May 04 02:52
oiaohmIe irc logs in usenetMay 04 02:52
DaemonFC"Wooohooo, it's fast and you can play games with it!!!!" *start a game in WINE, watch it crash*May 04 02:52
olorin_sebsebseb: Nope.May 04 02:52
DaemonFCthere's no point in even having FGLRX if it's going to be like thatMay 04 02:52
oiaohmolorin_: I have done the evil of running meetings accross the two.May 04 02:52
olorin_sebsebseb: It's was more to prove a point that we need to consolidate users.May 04 02:53
sebsebsebolorin_: maybe two thinsg we can sort out at least, before the final. so yeah the identica issue see above,  but also the IRC rules :)May 04 02:53
oiaohmolorin_: where the usenet users could post in what they wanted and irc channel talked about it and then sent the final log back to usenet.May 04 02:53
olorin_sebsebseb: Me and you could probably work on a draft this week.May 04 02:53
sebsebsebolorin_: what about the forums, does that have any rules yet?May 04 02:53
oiaohmolorin_: result was usenet active users becoming irc members.May 04 02:53
olorin_oiaohm: The technical challenge is probably the easiest to solve.May 04 02:54
sebsebsebolorin_: well look at the Ubuntu rules for ideas :DMay 04 02:54
oiaohmolorin_: But again this is rules.May 04 02:54
oiaohmolorin_: meetings in irc accepent topics from usenet with log of meeting back to usenet.May 04 02:54
oiaohmReally not hard.May 04 02:54
oiaohmBut makes the two community at least have some chatter with each other.May 04 02:55
olorin_As in a agenda.May 04 02:55
oiaohmYep. olorin_May 04 02:55
sebsebsebolorin_:  also the news to sites, such as Identica, Twitter, and Facebook, to the offical groups,  as I think oiaohm basically said earlier,  really the marketting team should be in control of that? well indeed at that I guess :)May 04 02:56
oiaohmNotice that both links are pure 1 ways.May 04 02:56
DaemonFCI think a lot of the stuff that they do with Ubuntu is ridiculous, luckily not much of that crap has spilled over into KDEMay 04 02:56
olorin_Well, myself and sebsebseb could probably advocate this. I also subscribe to the USENET groups in question, well, at least for Mandriva related ones atm.May 04 02:56
DaemonFCaside from having to use --no-install-recommends every time I install a GTK app to make sure I don't get any Unity garbageMay 04 02:57
sebsebsebDaemonFC: uhmm  well we are talking community now,  not distros them selvesMay 04 02:57
sebsebsebolorin_: we could advocate what?May 04 02:57
oiaohmsebsebseb: note I said cats.  user, support, developer, marketing.May 04 02:57
oiaohmsebsebseb: what cat the item fits into is who should be controlling it. May 04 02:57
DaemonFCforking should never be a first choice May 04 02:57
oiaohmsebsebseb: like lot of identica twitter and facebook stuff would fall into marketing.May 04 02:58
sebsebsebDaemonFC: no and it wasn't with Mageia I guess, or it would have been done quite a long time agoMay 04 02:58
olorin_sebsebseb: Makes sense to me. I connected the LibreOffice Norway Twitter and identi.ca accounts, and also follow up with ML posts and press releases.May 04 02:58
oiaohmsebsebseb: support channels and development zones would fall under there own respective.May 04 02:58
sebsebsebolorin_: of course in the case of Identica, the group, users can post there Mageia stuff as well :)May 04 02:58
sebsebsebolorin_: ,but the actsaul news from @mageia should be sent by the marketting team  to Identica and to the group really :) that's the pointMay 04 02:59
oiaohmsebsebseb: and your users might have socal areas were they talk about off topic stuff.May 04 02:59
oiaohmsebsebseb: 4 key cats.May 04 02:59
DaemonFCMandriva has some bitrot going onMay 04 02:59
oiaohmsebsebseb: everything wil break down into 1 of themMay 04 02:59
olorin_sebsebseb: That's why I mentioned the feedback loop earlier.May 04 02:59
sebsebsebolorin_: and well yeah we got to get the news from the devsMay 04 02:59
sebsebseband people like thatMay 04 02:59
oiaohmsebsebseb: note I said cats.  user, support, developer, marketing.  <<  This is possiblely the most important thing to remember.May 04 03:00
oiaohmSince it critical.May 04 03:00
sebsebsebolorin_: and people like us can be admin of the identica group even,  even though that doesn't really tend to get used much on Identica.  we need to talk to them in IRC about this,  I don't know what founder has access and suchMay 04 03:00
olorin_oiaohm: Indeed.May 04 03:00
oiaohmsebsebseb: one of the worse things ever.May 04 03:00
sebsebseboiaohm: what is?May 04 03:00
oiaohmIs to have your marketing team advertisment be guiding you developers.May 04 03:01
sebsebseboiaohm: and like I said there are currently some issues with Mageia, that I want resolved :) and should be able to get resovledMay 04 03:01
DaemonFCthe terrible ideas that are dominating GNOME and Unity have left KDE the only real choice May 04 03:01
oiaohmsebsebseb: result is complete failure.May 04 03:01
DaemonFCnot that KDE is too bad these daysMay 04 03:01
oiaohmReason why you must know where your 4 cats are.  sebsebsebMay 04 03:01
sebsebseboiaohm: well Mageia on identica really has been a complete failure so far, I agreeMay 04 03:01
oiaohmIe if you want user feed backMay 04 03:01
sebsebseboiaohm: woudn't take much to change that though :)May 04 03:01
oiaohmYou must find users.May 04 03:02
olorin_oiaohm: Like I said, they feed marketing with information, marketing feedback any information they get from users to the dev's.May 04 03:02
oiaohmIf you want developer feedbakc you must find developers.May 04 03:02
oiaohmThe 4 cat are basically key to all operations.May 04 03:02
sebsebsebolorin_: it's a joke, that I am re denting @mageia and to the group, so it shows there as well, not just the tag, a complete joke really.  http://identi.ca/group/mageiaMay 04 03:02
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oiaohmThe project 1 fail if any 1 of the cats is not workign right.May 04 03:02
sebsebsebolorin_: it's also a joke that the @mageia user has had the logo for a long time now, but the group still does not have  http://identi.ca/group/mageia  http://identi.ca/mageiaMay 04 03:03
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oiaohmMarketing is also hard.May 04 03:03
oiaohmSince you sometimes have to take what the developers says and turn it into what person off the street who does not know you can understand.May 04 03:03
sebsebsebolorin_: andi n the past I have mentioend this stuff on there even,  which shoudn't have been needed to be done in the first place at all in any kind of way.  I mean if things were set up right to begin with, but they weren't.May 04 03:04
olorin_oiaohm: Translation work is hard.May 04 03:04
oiaohmolorin_: Yep do to it being hard its really simple to make errors.May 04 03:04
oiaohmBig bad errors.May 04 03:05
oiaohmOut of all the groups the hardest is marketing.May 04 03:05
sebsebseboiaohm: it may be yes,  when got to change stubborn founders/developers mind about little things, such as the Identica issue, and even the having proper IRC rulesMay 04 03:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Oh !Canada: First Past The Post Election Blues http://ur1.ca/42tuv !elxn41 !fed2011 !cpc !ndp !lpc !bloc !gpc !cdnpoliMay 04 03:06
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olorin_I cover all of them in the Norwegian branches for certain projects.May 04 03:06
oiaohmsebsebseb: marketing is also the highest risk.May 04 03:06
oiaohmsebsebseb: developers make a mistake in a program version people use an old version until is fixed upset but they can still work.May 04 03:06
sebsebsebolorin_: oiaohm  I was basically told before by one of them, when I was like Ubuntu IRC has good rules really, I was basicaly told that,  people found UBuntu Fr to strict,  and suchMay 04 03:06
oiaohmsebsebseb: marketing don't have second chance options.May 04 03:06
oiaohmsebsebseb: marketing falls into 3 states.  1 it worked.   2 it did nothing.  3 it just blew our feet off.May 04 03:07
olorin_oiaohm: That's where the big fat apology comes in place.May 04 03:07
oiaohmsebsebseb: You hope that every bit of marketing lands in 1 and 2May 04 03:07
sebsebsebolorin_ oiaohm: New user to me:  Why does the Identica group not have an avater? Why do you keep on redenting the @mageia user to the group?  Me:  uhmm well.....May 04 03:08
sebsebseboiaohm: oiaohm Well that  isn't really that good right now, and would be even worse once the final is out. ^May 04 03:08
sebsebsebolorin_: ^May 04 03:08
olorin_sebsebseb: And the simple answer would be, we have none representing Mageia properly.May 04 03:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] now, done with politics awhile. <whew>May 04 03:09
sebsebsebolorin_: @mageia would be news yep which it is at the moment anyway and only that really.  and we can dent our own personal Mageia related stuff and what not, with our nameMay 04 03:09
sebsebseband yeah exactly to what you just said olorin_May 04 03:09
oiaohmsebsebseb: Really if it is for newsMay 04 03:10
sebsebsebIdentica is the issue.  the way news gets on Twitter and Facebook isn't at the moment reallyMay 04 03:10
oiaohmsebsebseb: it really needs to be kept for that.May 04 03:10
oiaohmsebsebseb: Putting other stuff in there kinda confuses people.May 04 03:10
sebsebseboiaohm: no a group has the social stuff as well,  but yes @mageia only  sends newsMay 04 03:10
oiaohmsebsebseb: so a users channel.May 04 03:11
oiaohmsebsebseb: with marketers sneaking marketing.May 04 03:11
olorin_We should have a dedicated social group instead I think.May 04 03:11
sebsebsebolorin_: no lookMay 04 03:11
sebsebsebolorin_: http://identi.ca/group/ubuntu for exampleMay 04 03:11
sebsebsebolorin_: so Ubuntu news, but  also people talking about Ubuntu, and it's like that for all groups on there reallyMay 04 03:11
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sebsebsebolorin_: and if  people strictly only want the Mageia news on identica, then they subscribe to @mageia yes, but not the group, simple as thatMay 04 03:12
olorin_sebsebseb: Yes.May 04 03:13
sebsebseband that's how it works, and the group is meant to be a sort of social thing as well, and the convo's get contextMay 04 03:13
sebsebsebpeople read other peoples context if interestedMay 04 03:13
sebsebsebolorin_: and sending to the group also sends to the tag, but sending only to the tag does not send to the group as well, which is the current issue with the @mageia userMay 04 03:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Marble Run, Infographic Challenge, Hyper Audio and more… http://blog.mozilla.com/about_mozilla/2011/05/03/marble-run-infographic-challenge-hMay 04 03:14
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sebsebseband that's also, becuse of how Twitter has tags yes, but not groupsMay 04 03:14
sebsebseband how they send to identica, Twitter, and Facebook at the same timeMay 04 03:14
sebsebsebolorin_: I think if ! is used on Twitter though, it would tag anyway, not sure quiteMay 04 03:15
oiaohmsebsebseb: read that ubuntu carefully you will notice is a user design.  Negitive feedback and all.May 04 03:15
GoForbes28Is Debian Testing still a pretty stable distro?May 04 03:15
oiaohmsebsebseb:  somethines not having that early on can be useful.  First version you can expect issues.May 04 03:16
sebsebseboiaohm: Ubuntu is the second biggest group on identica,  currently Linux :)  not that long ago it was Ubuntu. so yep sometimes negative stuff may end up in the Ubuntu group evenMay 04 03:16
oiaohmGoForbes28: My current debian here is a mix between stable testing and sid and it works ok.May 04 03:16
olorin_sebsebseb: The result: http://twitter.com/#!/libonorgeMay 04 03:16
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sebsebsebolorin_: well I am in the Twitterfree group on identica :)May 04 03:16
GoForbes28oiaohm: They indicated not to mix stable with other reposMay 04 03:17
oiaohmsebsebseb: basically how good do you think your release will go.May 04 03:17
sebsebsebolorin_: got an exception I do in fact have 4 tweets look.  http://twitter.com/asebsebsebMay 04 03:17
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olorin_sebsebseb: I have to market where people are. :-)May 04 03:17
oiaohmGoForbes28: I always have been doing the worst to debian.May 04 03:17
oiaohmGoForbes28: supprisingly min harm.May 04 03:17
sebsebseboiaohm: however that was mainly so I could say I have sent Tweets, and also mainly, beuse of how I coudn't get this name on Twitter, becasue wellMay 04 03:17
oiaohmGoForbes28: I would not dare do this with most other distributions.May 04 03:17
sebsebsebhttp://twitter.com/sebsebsebMay 04 03:17
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sebsebsebolorin_: who was probably that French speaking person who used my name on here about two years or so ago, before I put nick protection onMay 04 03:18
GoForbes28oiaohm: for me as a more "casual" user, would running testing be easier if upgrading certain packages is teh goal?May 04 03:18
sebsebsebolorin_: the one I told offMay 04 03:18
sebsebsebolorin_: so yeah I don't send Tweets, and this is why ^May 04 03:18
olorin_sebsebseb: Ok.May 04 03:18
sebsebsebolorin_: plus TWitter is main streame rubbish and propritary :DMay 04 03:19
sebsebsebwhere as identica is run by the opensource statusnet :)May 04 03:19
GoForbes28oiaohm: I want to upgrade to XFCE 4.8 and install the testing linux kernelMay 04 03:19
sebsebsebolorin_: really, Identica, Twitter, and Facebook are  differnet sites, and if neassarey should be treated like that I think, when it comes to these Mageia users on  themMay 04 03:20
oiaohmGoForbes28: Debian using testing kernel is normally min disruption because debian kernel is very min patched.May 04 03:20
GoForbes28what's the easiest way of going about this?May 04 03:20
oiaohmsebsebseb: each is a different pool if users.May 04 03:20
GoForbes28Download the packages manually or edit sources?May 04 03:21
oiaohmsebsebseb: but really yes treat them the same because groups split all over the place is a pain to talk to.May 04 03:21
sebsebsebolorin_: and with Identica it's very important that the @mageia dents show in the group,  but unforutnatly from my past complaining on IRC about this a few or so times,  the founders I talked to,  Twitter people,  well they  didn't reolise thatMay 04 03:21
oiaohmGoForbes28: I am just use to select what i want and installing it.  Debian handles multi kernel very well.May 04 03:22
sebsebsebolorin_: was even told that groups on identica are pointless, which really is not the case.  that's a major advantage of identica.  if your interestd in something you can subscribe to the group, without having to be subscribed to loads of people for example :)May 04 03:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] I am glad I dont support either of these two pathetic !football teams http://ur1.ca/42twcMay 04 03:22
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GoForbes28selecting online?May 04 03:23
GoForbes28on the website?May 04 03:23
sebsebsebolorin_: I just want things done properly that's all really :) and some of the things are so easy to change really so they are, as I hope you understand now :)  and I think you can see where I am coming from when I say about the Identica and Mageia issues now :)May 04 03:23
sebsebseboiaohm: groups are good on identica, very good indeed,  already said why above to olorin_May 04 03:24
sebsebseboiaohm: plus you told me earlier, that you don't really use that site anywayMay 04 03:24
sebsebsebuse the site more, and you would see for yourself, how good groups are I guess :)May 04 03:25
sebsebsebby being in some good ones :)May 04 03:25
sebsebsebolorin_: so you want to  talk to founders on IRC about  this stuff, or go on the mailng list or something?  some time this week?May 04 03:26
sebsebsebthat's the Identica thing, but also IRC rules thingMay 04 03:26
sebsebseboiaohm: one of the reasons I wanted to get invovled with Mageia by the way,  and yeah from the beginning really, is, becaause it's a new distro, one  I think  that could become pretty popular in about a year or two. and well it's nice to be invovled with a distro more properly from the beginning I find :)May 04 03:28
oiaohmsebsebseb: I am unlikely to change distribution any time soon.May 04 03:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] I can't listen to rest of !lo 204, too painful. Does @fabsh end up endorsing copyright assignment?May 04 03:29
oiaohmsebsebseb: Ie been on debian for over 10 years.May 04 03:29
sebsebseboiaohm: with Ubuntu well,  I used since the second release in 2005 yes, but I didn't  really try and get invovlved with the community more properly by doing IRC support a lot of it,  untill  2008 I guess it was. and well yeahMay 04 03:29
oiaohmsebsebseb: about the only things that may move me.  Is systemd and ulagtacey support.May 04 03:30
sebsebseboiaohm: Ubuntu is a bit like Windows  for me now, i'll keep an eye on it,   and in the ase of Ubuntu use it somestimes still evenMay 04 03:30
sebsebseblike  right now I am,  well ok a beta 2 install, that I installed the Gnome 3 ppa wrongly in, so got a corss betwen Gnoem 2 and Gnome 3May 04 03:30
sebsebsebyeah on the verge of re installing,  later this week I guessMay 04 03:30
oiaohmUbuntu turned up and I was already a long term debian user.May 04 03:30
oiaohmAnd I was noticing stablity dropps.May 04 03:30
oiaohmThat made me completley not happy.May 04 03:30
sebsebsebgive Unity 3D and 2D another try with the final,  look at the compiz settings,  give Gnome 3 a try from the ppa.  altough I read something earlier about not installing the ppa at the moment well there was some dent and I didn't read  the proper thing.May 04 03:31
sebsebseband uhmmMay 04 03:31
sebsebsebi'll give Fedora 15 a try later on,  and eventually Mageia will become my main distro :)May 04 03:31
oiaohmI bearly lasted 4 weeks on ubuntu when I tried it.May 04 03:31
oiaohmAnd back then it was far less tweaked to hell.May 04 03:31
sebsebsebat the moment I am a bit of a distro hopper really, and I want to try out Gnome 3 in something the final of that, but had issues with the Live CD's from http://gnome3.org and uhMay 04 03:31
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oiaohmFedora being a development release no way should it be more stable than  production release.May 04 03:32
oiaohmsebsebseb: basically you should be able to beat Fedora.May 04 03:32
oiaohmsebsebseb: If you are not your are doing something wrong.May 04 03:32
sebsebseboiaohm: I am likeing what I got installed at the moment really,  however this like Gnome 2 with the Gnome 3 tools, I am not really meant to have that, since I was meant to have Gnome Shel and such, but even so, I am liking what I got right nowMay 04 03:32
sebsebseboiaohm: indeedMay 04 03:33
sebsebsebMageia should be able to beat FedoraMay 04 03:33
sebsebsebas in popularity, the amount of usersMay 04 03:33
oiaohmsebsebseb: also another fact to think about.May 04 03:33
sebsebsebhowever no Gnome 3 in Mageia untill  Mageia 2 so hmmMay 04 03:33
oiaohmone of my controlling factor for what distributions I use are what distributions are in My local ISP file mirror.May 04 03:33
oiaohmSince updating from the file mirror does  not count to my internet quota.May 04 03:34
sebsebseboiaohm: ah right yeah, well I don't have those issues :)May 04 03:34
oiaohmAnd even if I am over quota I can down load from the local file mirror at full speed.May 04 03:34
oiaohmsebsebseb: But I would not be alone with this.May 04 03:34
oiaohmOne of the marketing targets should be to get distribution into as many ISP file mirrors as able.May 04 03:35
sebsebseboiaohm: Fedora would be hard to beat as you say at first,  but maybe in like two to four years or something, Mageia can do just htatMay 04 03:35
sebsebseboiaohm: Ubuntu on the other hand, well it looks like they need to mess up enough, before some other distro becomes number one on the desktop insteadMay 04 03:35
oiaohmSince it will expand your user base.May 04 03:35
oiaohmsebsebseb: so you did not think of that?May 04 03:35
sebsebsebeither that or have Ubuntu not being made anymoreMay 04 03:35
oiaohmDon't your ISP's provide file mirrors?May 04 03:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @bkuhn Bf. ppl say #Mono devs losing jobs is good for !FaiF, !Linux &/or !GNU, I hope they'll read my blog: http://ur1.ca/42teb #Nove ...May 04 03:36
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sebsebseboiaohm: I have been able to get the Ubuntu ISO from my ISP's mirrorMay 04 03:36
sebsebseboiaohm: as for repo's, well  this is proper broadband so I guess notMay 04 03:36
oiaohmsebsebseb: the file mirror I have here does not have iso's.May 04 03:36
oiaohmThey have the reposMay 04 03:37
sebsebseboiaohm: I am up for an 80's vampire film tonight really,  I should get started then really, before it's  bit to uhmmm late/early hereMay 04 03:37
sebsebsebor not bother hmmMay 04 03:38
oiaohmAnd for debian you have to use jigdo to build the iso.May 04 03:38
oiaohmsebsebseb: that is a good thing for ISP's.May 04 03:38
sebsebsebnot sure what that is?May 04 03:38
oiaohmjigdo is a special form of downloader.May 04 03:39
oiaohmtakes a template of a iso download the packages from a deb repo and builds them into a iso image.May 04 03:40
oiaohmSo avoiding having huge space to have cd and dvd images of distributions.May 04 03:40
sebsebseboiaohm: hmm someone subscribed to me recently,  I messaged about that, and now not subscribed to meMay 04 03:40
sebsebseboh well I guessMay 04 03:40
sebsebseboiaohm: some Ubuntu/Lubuntu user or something anywayMay 04 03:41
sebsebseboiaohm: yeah I am on about IdenticaMay 04 03:41
oiaohmsebsebseb: debian had to consider it.May 04 03:41
oiaohmwhen you they started having a few tb of iso images there was a problem.May 04 03:41
oiaohmjigdo was a solution to a problem ie 1 copy in repo 1 copy in cd  1 copy in dvd 1 copy in blue ray.  Hmm we are heading to hell quicky.May 04 03:42
oiaohmThen you have a few varations of isos.....May 04 03:43
oiaohmDoes not take long to end up in a location where distribution will not fit in isp file mirrors any more.  sebsebsebMay 04 03:43
sebsebseboiaohm: uhmm?May 04 03:44
oiaohmIts all the duplication.May 04 03:44
oiaohmjigdo allows debian repos to have 1 copy of stuff.May 04 03:44
sebsebseboiaohm: anyway not going to watch a film,  because.....   I am hungry though,  then I  here again for a bit, and off to bed againMay 04 03:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] RT @laurelrusswurm Oh !Canada: First Past The Post Election Blues http://ur1.ca/42tuv !elxn41 !fed2011 !cpc !ndp !lpc !bloc !gpc !cdnpoliMay 04 03:49
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GoForbes28If I install Debian testing, I should have a fairly stable distro?May 04 03:50
oiaohmGoForbes28: Really most of the scary stuff is normally sorted out in sid.May 04 03:51
oiaohmGoForbes28: testing has a few issues every now and against but quite rare.May 04 03:51
olorin_There's a reason for its name.May 04 03:52
GoForbes28security seems to be lessMay 04 03:52
GoForbes28in terms of timely updatesMay 04 03:52
oiaohmGoForbes28: testing on adverage needs less secuirty updatesMay 04 03:53
oiaohmGoForbes28: since it mostly just update the complete version instead of back porting patches.May 04 03:54
olorin_Testing is pre frozen stage?May 04 03:54
oiaohmBackporting patches = bugs introduced by the process.May 04 03:54
oiaohmYep.May 04 03:54
oiaohmStable is version frozen where able.May 04 03:54
olorin_That's freezing package versions btw...May 04 03:55
GoForbes28So in my situation, I need at least the Wheezy kernelMay 04 03:55
GoForbes28Backports doesn't have itMay 04 03:55
GoForbes28I also would like LibreOffice and XFCE 4.8 (Sid)May 04 03:55
oiaohmGoForbes28: that is what happened to me.May 04 03:55
oiaohmSo I end up running mixed.May 04 03:55
GoForbes28So would it be reasonable to say that Wheezy would be the best option for me at the moment?  Mixing stable with 3 repositories just sounds complicated.May 04 03:56
oiaohmThere was no particular one with exactly what I wanted.May 04 03:56
oiaohmGoForbes28: Really not that bad.May 04 03:57
GoForbes28how do you handle updates though/May 04 03:57
oiaohmGoForbes28: thinkign like of debians tools were designed to cope with it.May 04 03:57
oiaohmBecause the package management tracks what pool a package came from.May 04 03:57
oiaohmSo updates it checks against what pool the package was from.May 04 03:58
GoForbes28so it wouldn't upgrade my squeeze packages to wheezy or sid?May 04 03:58
oiaohmSo testing packages get updated from testing.May 04 03:58
GoForbes28Is this a recent development?May 04 03:58
oiaohmIf you are running multi repo.May 04 03:58
oiaohmNo.May 04 03:58
oiaohmyou can mix and match.May 04 03:58
GoForbes28NiceMay 04 03:59
oiaohmOf course sometimes that goes badly wrong.May 04 03:59
oiaohmWhen you try putting 2 incompable parts in.May 04 03:59
oiaohmbut the debian package manager will attempt to stop you.May 04 03:59
GoForbes28goodMay 04 03:59
oiaohmBasiclaly you have to read.May 04 03:59
oiaohmIf the package manager is wanting to uninstall half the system.May 04 03:59
GoForbes28so in other words, if you are astute, you'll be fineMay 04 04:00
oiaohmYou most likely done something you should not have.May 04 04:00
oiaohmBasically yes.May 04 04:00
oiaohmIf you are a person who clicks yes on every yes button.May 04 04:00
GoForbes28noMay 04 04:00
oiaohmYou are dead man walking.May 04 04:00
GoForbes28only on Windows :PMay 04 04:00
oiaohmThis is why they say don't mix repo.May 04 04:00
GoForbes28Cause frankly it's broken already I don't really careMay 04 04:01
oiaohmBecause they have to presume the user is over windows trained.May 04 04:01
GoForbes28nah, I have restraint in everythingMay 04 04:01
GoForbes28I like manual updatignMay 04 04:01
GoForbes28Etc.May 04 04:01
oiaohmSome advice you see is for the worst percentage of the population.May 04 04:01
GoForbes28yepMay 04 04:01
oiaohmWe are not that.May 04 04:01
GoForbes28what kind of packages do you use from wheezyMay 04 04:01
oiaohmSo running a mixed debian would not be a major risk to you.May 04 04:01
oiaohmI would have to check.May 04 04:02
GoForbes28Debian sounds like the distro equivalent of a good Toyota Hilux pickup truck ;)May 04 04:02
oiaohmgcc 4.6 for sure.May 04 04:02
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: undestructable?May 04 04:02
olorin_Package mixing is for those of use who are able recover a broken system manually. ;-)May 04 04:02
olorin_to recover*May 04 04:02
Diablo-D3put it at the top of a building, blow up the building, it still startsMay 04 04:02
GoForbes28Diablo: That's INdestructableMay 04 04:02
GoForbes28Top Gear FTWMay 04 04:03
Diablo-D3chain it to a beach, let the tides come in and out, it still startsMay 04 04:03
Diablo-D3set it ON FIREMay 04 04:03
Diablo-D3IT STILL STARTSMay 04 04:03
Diablo-D3HIT IT WITH A SHEDMay 04 04:03
olorin_GoForbes28: The Hilux.May 04 04:03
Diablo-D3IT STILL STARTSMay 04 04:03
oiaohmolorin_: I have not had to with debian in  10 years.May 04 04:03
Diablo-D3you know whatMay 04 04:03
oiaohmolorin_: +May 04 04:03
Diablo-D3debian == toyota hiluxMay 04 04:03
GoForbes28Make it a boat, and it gets sabotagedMay 04 04:03
olorin_Toybota.May 04 04:03
olorin_<3May 04 04:03
GoForbes28Drive it in the arcticMay 04 04:03
oiaohmOne of them did manage to kill it.May 04 04:04
oiaohmI cannot remember what they did to the toyota hilux to kill it.May 04 04:04
Diablo-D3didnt they drop a nuke on it at the end?May 04 04:04
GoForbes28I read that it was sabotagedMay 04 04:04
GoForbes28Diablo: lol noMay 04 04:04
oiaohmDiablo-D3: It was some so simple.May 04 04:04
GoForbes28It was the toybotaMay 04 04:04
oiaohmDiablo-D3:  Everything else that should kill it did nothing.May 04 04:04
olorin_oiaohm: The Toybota capsided.May 04 04:04
GoForbes28yeah, and didn't start afterwardsMay 04 04:04
GoForbes28but as I said, presumed sabotageMay 04 04:05
Diablo-D3seriously, that was one fucking epic hiluxMay 04 04:05
GoForbes28I wish we had Hiluxs hereMay 04 04:05
olorin_GoForbes28: In other words, business as usual in Top Gear.May 04 04:05
GoForbes28instead we have Tacomas... made in TEXASMay 04 04:05
Diablo-D3we have hiluxs in the USMay 04 04:05
Diablo-D3its just a different nameMay 04 04:05
oiaohmGoForbes28: they got it started after wardsMay 04 04:05
oiaohmIt lived threw the capsided state.May 04 04:05
GoForbes28No, it's a worst pickupMay 04 04:05
GoForbes28A) It's made in the U.S. rather than JapanMay 04 04:06
Diablo-D3I dunno, I'd only buy toyotaMay 04 04:06
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: btw, fuck youMay 04 04:06
Diablo-D3its made in the USAMay 04 04:06
Diablo-D3better than ford and their mexican made shitMay 04 04:06
olorin_Soft suspension?May 04 04:06
GoForbes28b) It's a watered down design that isn't as toughMay 04 04:06
GoForbes28Sorry dudeMay 04 04:06
GoForbes28Japan or nothingMay 04 04:06
GoForbes28and maybe Canada :PMay 04 04:06
Diablo-D3that isnt itMay 04 04:06
oiaohmDiablo-D3: That was it they turned on the fan in the cab.May 04 04:06
oiaohmDiablo-D3: Ie simple normally short work.May 04 04:07
Diablo-D3would you rather have "american cars" made in mexicoMay 04 04:07
oiaohmAfter all the abuse it was basically a short ciruit.May 04 04:07
GoForbes28oh noMay 04 04:07
Diablo-D3which ford, chrystler, and gm the "detroit big three"May 04 04:07
Diablo-D3doMay 04 04:07
oiaohmand took out the electonics.May 04 04:07
Diablo-D3or toyotaMay 04 04:07
GoForbes28I'd rather them made in CanadaMay 04 04:07
Diablo-D3"japanese" MADE IN THE USAMay 04 04:07
Diablo-D3btw, toyota has at least one canadian plant tooMay 04 04:07
GoForbes28two actuallyMay 04 04:07
olorin_Diablo-D3: Assembled in US at least.May 04 04:07
Diablo-D3you know the whole fucking bailout shit?May 04 04:07
GoForbes28of courseMay 04 04:07
Diablo-D3the WORST QUARTER IN THE HISTORY OF CARSMay 04 04:07
Diablo-D3was toyota's only quarter that they didnt make moneyMay 04 04:08
Diablo-D3they ALMOST broke even.May 04 04:08
GoForbes28I also know the Toyota tire controversy was infected with political bullshitMay 04 04:08
GoForbes28And they STILL OUTSOLD GM!May 04 04:08
Diablo-D3ford, gm, and crysler? had to STEAL money from the US peopleMay 04 04:08
Diablo-D3using congressMay 04 04:08
Diablo-D3fuckersMay 04 04:08
GoForbes28Ford didn'tMay 04 04:08
Diablo-D3all of themMay 04 04:08
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: they still didMay 04 04:08
GoForbes28no, not FordMay 04 04:08
Diablo-D3just indirectlyMay 04 04:08
GoForbes28Ford actually did progressMay 04 04:09
Diablo-D3ford relies on parts manufacturers that toyota doesnt use but the other two doMay 04 04:09
Diablo-D3and if the other two went under, ford would have been fuckedMay 04 04:09
GoForbes28nahMay 04 04:09
Diablo-D3it would have dragged them downMay 04 04:09
GoForbes28Ford has already been "fucked"May 04 04:09
Diablo-D3well, ford invented fucking car companiesMay 04 04:09
GoForbes28They already had to rebuild prior to the recessionMay 04 04:09
Diablo-D3they've been around the bend a few timesMay 04 04:09
GoForbes28Ford I have symphony forMay 04 04:09
Diablo-D3but the big three? they all got fucking bailoutsMay 04 04:09
oiaohmDiablo-D3: toyota uses same part manufacturers as ford.May 04 04:09
GoForbes28except for the made in mexico crapMay 04 04:09
Diablo-D3oiaohm: no, only someMay 04 04:10
Diablo-D3there are some toyota wont do business withMay 04 04:10
oiaohmDiablo-D3: but toyota has renduncy in supply lines.May 04 04:10
GoForbes28Diablo: Ford DIDN'T get a bailoutMay 04 04:10
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: like I said, they did indirectlyMay 04 04:10
oiaohmDiablo-D3: Ie they design the part.May 04 04:10
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oiaohmThen have many companies make it for them Diablo-D3May 04 04:10
GoForbes28I love chrysler's new adsMay 04 04:10
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: if GM and Chrysler would have went under, it would have killed Ford tooMay 04 04:10
GoForbes28I don't think soMay 04 04:10
Diablo-D3it wouldnt have done shit to ToyotaMay 04 04:10
olorin_Everyone have sub contractors.May 04 04:10
oiaohmThis way no single supply can hold them over the barrellMay 04 04:10
GoForbes28Ford Europe is too strong to dieMay 04 04:10
oiaohmor cause them a distruption in production.May 04 04:10
Diablo-D3Ford Europe is hilariousMay 04 04:11
oiaohmolorin_: Its how you sub contract.May 04 04:11
Diablo-D3you know the few Fords that ARE made in the US?May 04 04:11
Diablo-D3they're all sent to Europe.May 04 04:11
GoForbes28It's #1 in so many categoriesMay 04 04:11
Diablo-D3and from what I heard, they're quite good carsMay 04 04:11
GoForbes28in EuropeMay 04 04:11
oiaohmolorin_: Ford fails to setup proper renduncy.May 04 04:11
GoForbes28Fiesta, Focus, all highly rated... in EuropeMay 04 04:11
Diablo-D3and yeah, Ford doesnt do shit nearly as well as ToyotaMay 04 04:11
Diablo-D3you know the japanese earthquake?May 04 04:11
GoForbes28of courseMay 04 04:11
Diablo-D3its barely touching ToyotaMay 04 04:11
oiaohmGM and Toyota both use reduncy in supply.May 04 04:11
GoForbes28It will my friendMay 04 04:11
Diablo-D3and a lot of their most important parts are made in Japan.May 04 04:12
GoForbes28come fall, watch shortages begingMay 04 04:12
GoForbes28Toyotas and HondasMay 04 04:12
Diablo-D3one of their plants was damaged in the earthquake, and another one is shut off to conserve electrical powerMay 04 04:12
GoForbes28Sad but trueMay 04 04:12
olorin_GoForbes28: Yes, those cars are quite popular and revered by the Top Gear boys as well.May 04 04:12
Diablo-D3theres only one car company that I have greater respect forMay 04 04:12
Diablo-D3and thats Tesla.May 04 04:12
Diablo-D3everyone else in the whole fucking industry can suck my dickMay 04 04:12
GoForbes28I seeMay 04 04:12
oiaohmReally no Toyota core parts are also produced in factors in indonsisa May 04 04:12
GoForbes28okMay 04 04:12
GoForbes28Toyota has slipped in recent yearsMay 04 04:13
oiaohmSo japan issue other than floor spaceMay 04 04:13
GoForbes28And it's because of the U.S. business influence, sadlyMay 04 04:13
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: yupMay 04 04:13
oiaohmMinor distribution to Toyota operations.May 04 04:13
Diablo-D3look at how Toyota may or may not have had a problem with their cars with the accelerator pedealsMay 04 04:13
Diablo-D3which, btw, they were cleared of all charges, theres nothing wrong with the fucking carsMay 04 04:13
GoForbes28That was bullMay 04 04:13
Diablo-D3two independant US government investigations found NOTHINGMay 04 04:13
olorin_Or rather the floor maths.May 04 04:14
GoForbes28The floormats, fine I'll give them thatMay 04 04:14
Diablo-D3and toyotas own investigation found nothingMay 04 04:14
GoForbes28but EM interference? LOL!May 04 04:14
Diablo-D3and the floormats issue was the fucking dealerships sometimes using the wrong onesMay 04 04:14
oiaohmAccelerator pedeals was that is was drive by wire.May 04 04:14
Diablo-D3which STILL doesnt cause itMay 04 04:14
Diablo-D3soMay 04 04:14
Diablo-D3this whole shitMay 04 04:14
Diablo-D3there was a fucking televised congressional witchhuntMay 04 04:14
oiaohmDiablo-D3: Ie the computer decided to acceerate not the user.May 04 04:14
Diablo-D3oiaohm: nope, they were cleared of all chargesMay 04 04:14
Diablo-D3there is zero issues with the carsMay 04 04:14
GoForbes28indeedMay 04 04:14
Diablo-D3its 100% user errorMay 04 04:14
GoForbes28plus, how many cases were there?May 04 04:15
GoForbes28100?May 04 04:15
oiaohmThey were not cleared here.May 04 04:15
GoForbes28out of a million vehicles?May 04 04:15
Diablo-D3oiaohm: I dont care about there.May 04 04:15
Diablo-D3the problem isMay 04 04:15
oiaohmWhen you have a car running in a dealer ship.May 04 04:15
Diablo-D3toyota a "japanese" (100% american) car company is witch huntedMay 04 04:15
Diablo-D3butMay 04 04:15
Diablo-D3fordMay 04 04:15
oiaohmWithout a driver.May 04 04:15
Diablo-D3regularly has huge recallsMay 04 04:15
Diablo-D3barely rates a mention in the newsMay 04 04:15
olorin_And the Norwegian authorities, none. The funniest thing was they who claimed his car had failed, crashed two weeks later in a rental car from an unknown maker.May 04 04:15
GoForbes28I agree diabloMay 04 04:15
GoForbes28have you seen the Chrysler ads now?  It's a joke.May 04 04:15
oiaohmJump off the lift  it a bit hard to say you don't have a problem Diablo-D3May 04 04:16
Diablo-D3which one, the imported from detroit ad?May 04 04:16
oiaohmThat is what happened here.May 04 04:16
GoForbes28yeahMay 04 04:16
GoForbes28imported from detroitMay 04 04:16
Diablo-D3thats fucking bullshitMay 04 04:16
oiaohmone of the same model of toyatos with the dfected  Diablo-D3May 04 04:16
Diablo-D3imported from detroit my fucking two foot dickMay 04 04:16
GoForbes28after being designed by italians and built in CanadaMay 04 04:16
Diablo-D3its fucking mexican trashMay 04 04:16
oiaohmSationally drove off.May 04 04:16
GoForbes28Nah, Chrysler is CanadianMay 04 04:16
GoForbes28Or italianMay 04 04:16
Diablo-D3if was canadian, why are they so fucking shittyMay 04 04:16
GoForbes28heyMay 04 04:16
oiaohmIt was ment to be on a idling speed rolling road.   Diablo-D3May 04 04:16
GoForbes28can't change a shitty designMay 04 04:16
GoForbes28or a poor American work ethicMay 04 04:17
Diablo-D3the big three all compete for "worst car ever"May 04 04:17
Diablo-D3every yearMay 04 04:17
GoForbes28!google Dr. DemmingMay 04 04:17
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - W. Edwards Deming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_DemingMay 04 04:17
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Amazon.com: Dr. Deming: The American Who Taught the Japanese About ... | http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Deming-American-Japanese-Quality/dp/0671746219May 04 04:17
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - The W. Edwards Deming Institute: The W. Edwards Deming Institute | http://www.deming.org/May 04 04:17
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - TQM Total Quality Management | http://www.witiger.com/internationalbusiness/TQM.htmMay 04 04:17
Diablo-D3like, I see ford saying "most car sold of this class" on their ads a lotMay 04 04:17
GoForbes28readMay 04 04:17
Diablo-D3problem isMay 04 04:17
GoForbes28!google Dr. DemmingMay 04 04:17
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - W. Edwards Deming - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/W._Edwards_DemingMay 04 04:17
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Amazon.com: Dr. Deming: The American Who Taught the Japanese About ... | http://www.amazon.com/Dr-Deming-American-Japanese-Quality/dp/0671746219May 04 04:17
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - The W. Edwards Deming Institute: The W. Edwards Deming Institute | http://www.deming.org/May 04 04:17
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - TQM Total Quality Management | http://www.witiger.com/internationalbusiness/TQM.htmMay 04 04:17
oiaohmReally I would love to see a company serouslly go out of there way to produce a car that is the worst.May 04 04:17
Diablo-D3none of those awards allow "foreign" car makers like toyotaMay 04 04:17
oiaohmJust for kicks of course.May 04 04:17
Diablo-D3oiaohm: an india company didMay 04 04:18
oiaohmThe most unsafe car the USA/what ever contry will allow on the roads.May 04 04:18
Diablo-D3the frame was made of plywood.May 04 04:18
Diablo-D3and that one hungarian one was pretty badMay 04 04:18
olorin_Diablo-D3: That's the same as everyone else says. "Leading in... blablabla".May 04 04:18
Diablo-D3olorin_: yeah, but wheres the proofMay 04 04:18
Diablo-D3I want fucking numbers.May 04 04:18
GoForbes28I tell, read about Dr. DemingMay 04 04:18
Diablo-D3seriously, you know how shit works?May 04 04:19
GoForbes28You'll see why the U.S. has it all backwardsMay 04 04:19
Diablo-D3if you cant fuckimg impress meMay 04 04:19
olorin_Hey, anyone remember the Chinese car who failed horribly in crash tests?May 04 04:19
Diablo-D3go fuck offMay 04 04:19
olorin_which*May 04 04:19
GoForbes28who?May 04 04:19
oiaohmI watch a lot of the USA hot rod shows here.May 04 04:19
Diablo-D3I am the hardest to impress person in the worldMay 04 04:19
oiaohmAnd when you see them makign them.May 04 04:19
Diablo-D3toyota manages to periodically impress me.May 04 04:19
GoForbes28Dr. Deming is a pretty impressive personMay 04 04:19
oiaohmI would not be allowed to put them on the road here.May 04 04:19
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: Im talking the big threeMay 04 04:19
GoForbes28yeahMay 04 04:19
oiaohmIe no crumple zones in frameMay 04 04:19
GoForbes28Dr. Deming tried to help FordMay 04 04:19
Diablo-D3the only thing ford has impressed me with is how many people they've murdered and gotten away with itMay 04 04:19
GoForbes28It was too late in the 90sMay 04 04:19
Diablo-D3like the pintoMay 04 04:19
oiaohmNo impact saftly at all.May 04 04:19
GoForbes2880sMay 04 04:20
Diablo-D3and the firestone tiresMay 04 04:20
GoForbes28All of them explodedMay 04 04:20
Diablo-D3and the exploding gas tanks in the trucksMay 04 04:20
olorin_Diablo-D3: The Explorer incidents?May 04 04:20
Diablo-D3and that problem with the minivans that I cant rememeber what it wasMay 04 04:20
Diablo-D3olorin_: yeahMay 04 04:20
GoForbes28really, all 1970's cars could explode like thatMay 04 04:20
GoForbes28ex. the thunderbirdMay 04 04:20
oiaohmEven todays cars can.May 04 04:20
Diablo-D3yeah but its fucking bsMay 04 04:20
oiaohmIf hit the right way.May 04 04:20
Diablo-D3if toyota did itMay 04 04:20
GoForbes28you are right diabloMay 04 04:20
Diablo-D3people would be in prisonMay 04 04:20
GoForbes28just don't generalizeMay 04 04:20
olorin_Diablo-D3: It was the tire belts which was ripped clean off or something wasn't it?May 04 04:21
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GoForbes28the pinto was no worst than any other car at the timeMay 04 04:21
oiaohmIt was.May 04 04:21
oiaohmIt did not have a lined fuel tank.  GoForbes28May 04 04:21
oiaohmSaved some money and weight.May 04 04:21
olorin_oiaohm: The Opel Astra did have a nasty filling cap issue...May 04 04:21
Diablo-D3ford does it? they get awardsMay 04 04:21
Diablo-D3olorin_: no the explorer rollover was another problemMay 04 04:21
Diablo-D3the firestone tires would explode and flip the car usually killing peopleMay 04 04:21
Diablo-D3and its ford's fault because they knew about it and didnt careMay 04 04:21
Diablo-D3I mean thats the thingMay 04 04:21
Diablo-D3THEY KNEWMay 04 04:21
Diablo-D3AND DIDNT CAREMay 04 04:21
GoForbes28the thunderbird could just as easily explodeMay 04 04:21
Diablo-D3I mean, fuck that shit dudeMay 04 04:22
Diablo-D3fuck fordMay 04 04:22
GoForbes28yepMay 04 04:22
Diablo-D3if I was president at that time, I'd be fucking ford.May 04 04:22
olorin_Diablo-D3: AFAIK, in 60 Minutes both Ford and Firestone got the blame.May 04 04:22
Diablo-D3olorin_: well duh, firestone gets itMay 04 04:22
Diablo-D3they made the fuckersMay 04 04:22
GoForbes28if the US had embraced Dr. Deming, everthing would be differentMay 04 04:22
Diablo-D3but ford KNEW about itMay 04 04:22
olorin_Diablo-D3: Exactly.May 04 04:22
Diablo-D3and conspired to make sure they kept selling themMay 04 04:22
oiaohmTo be correct Firestone was not fully to blame.May 04 04:22
Diablo-D3I mean, thats some pretty dirty shitMay 04 04:22
Diablo-D3and of courseMay 04 04:23
Diablo-D3firestoneMay 04 04:23
oiaohmFord had the wrong presure for tires in the car door.May 04 04:23
Diablo-D3was started by the ford familyMay 04 04:23
oiaohmSo the tires were over inflated.May 04 04:23
oiaohmNot a good thing todo to tires.May 04 04:23
olorin_Either way, no one bothered to fix it.May 04 04:23
oiaohmReduce tire presure reduced risk of bang a lot.  olorin_May 04 04:24
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olorin_oiaohm: I'm pretty sure the tire belt lasts longer if you do.May 04 04:24
oiaohmEven at the right presure there was still a defect.May 04 04:24
oiaohmAs the tired heated up it would increase in presure and risk getting to the failure point.May 04 04:25
GoForbes28diablo...May 04 04:25
Diablo-D3Harvey Firestone, who was a good friend of Henry Ford (yes that Henry Ford)... who...May 04 04:25
Diablo-D3later on...May 04 04:25
oiaohmSo firestone was in shit for not putting enough buffer May 04 04:25
GoForbes28diablo...May 04 04:25
olorin_They should have recalled the tires and replaced them.May 04 04:25
oiaohmFord was in shit for the wrong documentation on the car.May 04 04:25
Diablo-D3Bill Ford Jr. Great Grandson of Henry Ford and Grandson of Harvey Firestone.May 04 04:25
Diablo-D3Bam.May 04 04:25
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: whatMay 04 04:26
olorin_There we have it.May 04 04:26
oiaohmInfact made it rid better at the higher presure that the tire was not rated for.  olorin_May 04 04:26
olorin_Henry Ford, the anti semittic mass producing car manufacturer.May 04 04:26
oiaohmQuestion is if ford can put the wrong presure information about tires on a car.May 04 04:27
oiaohmWhat other information is wrong in the service manual.May 04 04:27
GoForbes28okMay 04 04:27
GoForbes28Just to be clear, the Pinto was a POSMay 04 04:27
GoForbes28no doubt about itMay 04 04:27
GoForbes28my point is to not generalizeMay 04 04:27
GoForbes28The Thunderbird, among others, was just as likely to explodeMay 04 04:28
Diablo-D3and henry fordMay 04 04:28
Diablo-D3had factories in germanyMay 04 04:28
Diablo-D3during ww2May 04 04:28
olorin_oiaohm: Good question. However, if Firestone received the wrong information from Ford...May 04 04:28
GoForbes28number 2, Diablo, had you heard of Dr. Deming until now?May 04 04:28
olorin_Diablo-D3: IBM Germany sold equipment used in the concentration camps.May 04 04:28
Diablo-D3he sued the US government when we bombed the shit out of themMay 04 04:29
Diablo-D3he had jewish slaves working in his factories making german tank partsMay 04 04:29
GoForbes28And coca-cola did this to with FantaMay 04 04:29
Diablo-D3and he sued the US governmentMay 04 04:29
Diablo-D3andMay 04 04:29
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Diablo-D3HE WONMay 04 04:29
Diablo-D3the fucker actually wonMay 04 04:29
GoForbes28oh noMay 04 04:29
Diablo-D3we had to pay HIM for making german tanksMay 04 04:29
GoForbes28Ender's hereMay 04 04:29
Diablo-D3I mean, you wanna get antisemetic? thats pretty fucking antisemeticMay 04 04:29
olorin_GoForbes28: Good point. They did that because Germans disliked the taste of Coca Cola.May 04 04:29
Diablo-D3I mean, you had ford parts roaring down the battlefield ON BOTH SIDESMay 04 04:30
Diablo-D3thats some pretty fucked up shit dudeMay 04 04:30
olorin_Diablo-D3: Nope, that's business.May 04 04:30
GoForbes28olorin_: Actually, it's because they couldn't sell coke during the war, so they made a new flavour to make profits in germanyMay 04 04:30
Diablo-D3and btw re IBMMay 04 04:30
Diablo-D3no, they sold calculatorsMay 04 04:31
olorin_GoForbes28: Ok, I'm a bit rusty.May 04 04:31
Diablo-D3normal everyday calculatorsMay 04 04:31
DaemonFCChoke a Cola, stinky drink, pour it down the kitchen sink...smells like vinegar tastes like ink......May 04 04:31
Diablo-D3its not like they sold some sort of special jew finding rod or somethingMay 04 04:31
Diablo-D3IBM, a largely jewish companyMay 04 04:31
GoForbes28Hey diablo, you still haven't answered my questionMay 04 04:31
olorin_Diablo-D3: Punch card operated computers as well.May 04 04:31
Diablo-D3anyone who tries to say IBM helped Hitler is antisemetic by defaultMay 04 04:31
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: I said Ive never heard of himMay 04 04:31
GoForbes28read up, it's very fascinatingMay 04 04:32
GoForbes28he was preaching higher quality to increase demand, etc. and the U.S. thumbed their noses at himMay 04 04:32
Diablo-D3and the guys a genuisMay 04 04:32
Diablo-D3because thats how any successful company now runsMay 04 04:32
GoForbes28so he went to Japan, taught them his methods, and the rest is historyMay 04 04:33
Diablo-D3the only way to win is to beat your competitor with a superior productMay 04 04:33
GoForbes28yepMay 04 04:33
GoForbes28for exampleMay 04 04:33
olorin_True.May 04 04:33
DaemonFCIBM did try to help Hitler, but AIX came a few decades lateMay 04 04:33
DaemonFC*rimshot*May 04 04:33
GoForbes28the American approach is to build within toleranceMay 04 04:33
GoForbes28The Japanese approach is to tighten that toleranceMay 04 04:33
GoForbes28Make it betterMay 04 04:34
GoForbes28even just a littleMay 04 04:34
olorin_And the Chinese approach?May 04 04:34
Diablo-D3the japanese approach is to ignore the tolerance and set the bar higher.May 04 04:34
GoForbes28Have American corps hire you for cheap labourMay 04 04:34
GoForbes28ExactlyMay 04 04:34
olorin_HeheMay 04 04:34
GoForbes28All thanks to Dr. DemingMay 04 04:34
Diablo-D3if you can build the product, the bars too lowMay 04 04:34
GoForbes28who was too smart for the US car industryMay 04 04:35
Diablo-D3sighMay 04 04:35
Diablo-D3you know whatMay 04 04:35
Diablo-D3fuck the whole planetMay 04 04:35
GoForbes28I assume you all have heard the latest Foxconn horror story right?May 04 04:35
Diablo-D3how many people are dead now?May 04 04:35
GoForbes28It's worst than deathMay 04 04:36
Diablo-D3ye gods, they're hiring zombies now?May 04 04:36
GoForbes28Apple's Chinese workers treated 'inhumanely, like machines'May 04 04:36
GoForbes28Investigation finds evidence of draconian rules and excessive overtime to meet western demand for iPhones and iPadsMay 04 04:36
GoForbes28 May 04 04:36
GoForbes28Apple iPads on sale in London: in China, half a million workers paid about 65p an hour can exceed the 60-hour week limit to cope with demand. Photograph: John Stillwell/PAMay 04 04:36
GoForbes28An investigation into the conditions of Chinese workers has revealed the shocking human cost of producing the must-have Apple iPhones and iPads that are now ubiquitous in the west.May 04 04:36
GoForbes28The research, carried out by two NGOs, has revealed disturbing allegations of excessive working hours and draconian workplace rules at two major plants in southern China. It has also uncovered an "anti-suicide" pledge that workers at the two plants have been urged to sign, after a series of employee deaths last year.May 04 04:36
GoForbes28The investigation gives a detailed picture of life for the 500,000 workers at the Shenzhen and Chengdu factories owned by Foxconn, which produces millions of Apple products each year. The report accuses Foxconn of treating workers "inhumanely, like machines".May 04 04:36
GoForbes28Among the allegations made by workers interviewed by the NGOs ? the Centre for Research on Multinational Corporations and Students & Scholars Against Corporate Misbehaviour (Sacom) ? are claims that:May 04 04:36
GoForbes28? Excessive overtime is routine, despite a legal limit of 36 hours a month. One payslip, seen by the Observer, indicated that the worker had performed 98 hours of overtime in a month.May 04 04:36
GoForbes28? Workers attempting to meet the huge demand for the first iPad were sometimes pressured to take only one day off in 13.May 04 04:36
GoForbes28? In some factories badly performing workers are required to be publicly humiliated in front of colleagues.May 04 04:36
GoForbes28? Crowded workers' dormitories can sleep up to 24 and are subject to strict rules. One worker told the NGO investigators that he was forced to sign a "confession letter" after illicitly using a hairdryer. In the letter he wrote: "It is my fault. I will never blow my hair inside my room. I have done something wrong. I will never do it again."May 04 04:36
Diablo-D3flood much.May 04 04:36
GoForbes28? In the wake of a spate of suicides at Foxconn factories last summer, workers were asked to sign a statement promising not to kill themselves and pledging to "treasure their lives".May 04 04:37
GoForbes28Foxconn produced its first iPad at Chengdu last November and expects to produce 100m a year by 2013. Last year Apple sold more than 15m iPads worldwide and has already sold close to five million this year.May 04 04:37
GoForbes28When the allegations were put to Foxconn by the Observer, manager Louis Woo confirmed that workers sometimes worked more than the statutory overtime limit to meet demand from western consumers, but claimed that all the extra hours were voluntary. Workers claim that, if they turn down excessive demands for overtime, they will be forced to rely on their basic wage: workers in Chengdu are paid only 1,350 yuan (£125) a month for a bMay 04 04:37
GoForbes28week, equivalent to about 65p an hour.May 04 04:37
GoForbes28Asked about the suicides that have led to anti-suicide netting being fitted beneath the windows of workers' dormitories, Woo said: "Suicides were not connected to bad working conditions. There was a copy effect. If one commits suicide, then others will follow."May 04 04:37
GoForbes28In a statement, Apple said: "Apple is committed to ensuring the highest standards of social responsibility throughout our supply base. Apple requires suppliers to commit to our comprehensive supplier code of conduct as a condition of their contracts with us. We drive compliance with the code through a rigorous monitoring programme, including factory audits, corrective action plans and verification measures."May 04 04:37
GoForbes28? This story was amended on 1 May 2011 to correct the name of The Centre for Research on Multinational CorporationsMay 04 04:37
GoForbes28I couldn't summarize this and give it justiceMay 04 04:37
Diablo-D3yes, Im aware of itMay 04 04:37
Diablo-D3and you know whatMay 04 04:37
GoForbes28amazingMay 04 04:37
Diablo-D3if I was president, I'd stop the importing of chinese goodsMay 04 04:37
Diablo-D3and guess whatMay 04 04:37
Diablo-D3I'd have the authority to do itMay 04 04:37
GoForbes28Nah, don't outlawMay 04 04:37
Diablo-D3using existing US and International laws.May 04 04:37
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GoForbes28Just taxMay 04 04:38
Diablo-D3not outlaw, Im not congressMay 04 04:38
GoForbes28I knowMay 04 04:38
GoForbes28Taxing is easierMay 04 04:38
GoForbes28and you earn revenue!May 04 04:38
Diablo-D3but one executive order could stop it.May 04 04:38
Diablo-D3and congress couldnt do shitMay 04 04:38
GoForbes28Don't forget the underground markets thoughMay 04 04:38
GoForbes28Outlawing often just doesn't workMay 04 04:38
olorin_And if you boycott their products, no more economical aid from the China for the USA.May 04 04:39
GoForbes28Taxing doesMay 04 04:39
Diablo-D3the shit leaking in on the sides, doesnt matterMay 04 04:39
Diablo-D3one giant kick to China's economy would collapse the countryMay 04 04:39
Diablo-D3they'd be forced to fight for their freedom as a new democratic nationMay 04 04:39
GoForbes28Spoken like a true americanMay 04 04:39
*Diablo-D3 shrugsMay 04 04:40
GoForbes28I dunnoMay 04 04:40
Diablo-D3you cant help them unless they're forced to help themselvesMay 04 04:40
olorin_Problem is that a ligther kick would take down the US. :-pMay 04 04:40
Diablo-D3I could pressure china all I wantMay 04 04:40
Diablo-D3it wouldnt do shitMay 04 04:40
Diablo-D3I mean, you know whatMay 04 04:40
GoForbes28If China could fix their system, who would be us to argue?May 04 04:40
Diablo-D3slavery ended, right?May 04 04:40
Diablo-D3all we did was outsource the slave ownership to chinaMay 04 04:40
GoForbes28yepMay 04 04:40
GoForbes28and when they get too expensive, on to the next countryMay 04 04:41
Diablo-D3and if I was president, I _would_ have full authority to act on that.May 04 04:41
GoForbes28and the next countryMay 04 04:41
Diablo-D3as americans, we're better than thatMay 04 04:41
Diablo-D3I dont care if I have to drag my fellow americans kicking and screaming into the future, this is where we're goingMay 04 04:41
olorin_Well, I wouldn't want to be Chinese. Being shot without a trial, being shot for stealing gas (petrol)...May 04 04:41
Diablo-D3olorin_: being shot for thinkingMay 04 04:42
GoForbes28China is a country of extremes for sureMay 04 04:42
olorin_Diablo-D3: Yep.May 04 04:42
Diablo-D31984 happenedMay 04 04:42
Diablo-D3its in chinaMay 04 04:42
olorin_I think it's pretty much of it in the west as well.May 04 04:42
GoForbes28You know that they are remaking Red Dawn with China as the antagonist?May 04 04:42
GoForbes28That's really sillyMay 04 04:42
Diablo-D3thats really dumbMay 04 04:43
GoForbes28yeahMay 04 04:43
GoForbes28shows how starved hollywood isMay 04 04:43
olorin_What else is new.May 04 04:43
GoForbes28Star Wreck: In the Pirkinning was a billions times more originalMay 04 04:43
olorin_I bet they can screw up the Conan remake badly.May 04 04:44
GoForbes28Conan remake?May 04 04:44
GoForbes28Oh brotherMay 04 04:44
olorin_GoForbes28: Excellent movie, along with the short ones and can't wait for Iron Sky.May 04 04:44
Diablo-D3what, seriously?May 04 04:44
olorin_Diablo-D3: Yes.May 04 04:44
Diablo-D3get to the choppah.May 04 04:44
GoForbes28I have the NA imperial edition on DVDMay 04 04:44
GoForbes28It sucks because the distributor makes it a sparse packageMay 04 04:45
olorin_Conan The Barbarian, not Conan O'Brien.May 04 04:45
GoForbes28the movie's still great though :)May 04 04:45
GoForbes28olorin_ y yeah I know :PMay 04 04:45
GoForbes28though a movie about conan o'brien would be more interestingMay 04 04:46
Diablo-D3his adventures in indiaMay 04 04:46
olorin_:-pMay 04 04:46
GoForbes28heck, if they showed the Top Gear 3 wise men special in theatres, that would be more interestingMay 04 04:46
GoForbes28Diablo-D3: You don't like Star Wreck?May 04 04:46
olorin_http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0816462/May 04 04:47
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olorin_Diablo-D3: What's not to love with Star Wreck?May 04 04:47
Diablo-D3wait, what?May 04 04:47
GoForbes28hollywood and Microsoft should form a partnershipMay 04 04:47
Diablo-D3I didnt say anything against thatMay 04 04:47
Diablo-D3in the perkinning was awesomeMay 04 04:47
GoForbes28FUKOVVV!May 04 04:48
olorin_GoForbes28: Hollywood movies already suck enough,May 04 04:48
GoForbes28I knowMay 04 04:48
GoForbes28it's a match made in heavenMay 04 04:48
GoForbes28and hollywood will learn how to "patent" movie ideasMay 04 04:48
GoForbes28and not make actual moviesMay 04 04:48
Diablo-D3“In God we trust; all others must bring data."May 04 04:48
Diablo-D3fuck that dudeMay 04 04:48
GoForbes28kind of a plus :)May 04 04:49
Diablo-D3“In God we trust; all others must pay in cash"May 04 04:49
olorin_Both are pretty good at recycling other peoples ideas.May 04 04:49
Diablo-D3thats how it worksMay 04 04:49
olorin_Diablo-D3: Would that be the motto of RIAA/MPAA and MPEG LA?May 04 04:49
GoForbes28I find it simpler to call them MAFIAAMay 04 04:49
GoForbes28or CMAFIAA in canadaMay 04 04:50
olorin_Much more organized.May 04 04:50
GoForbes28I mean really, how are they differentMay 04 04:50
GoForbes28their arguements are identicalMay 04 04:50
GoForbes28their goals are identicalMay 04 04:50
GoForbes28their motives are identicalMay 04 04:50
olorin_Well, they don't give you concrete shoes, yet.May 04 04:50
GoForbes28their lobbying is identicalMay 04 04:51
GoForbes28their misrepresentation is identicalMay 04 04:51
olorin_Protection money. Yeah, I see the analogy.May 04 04:51
Diablo-D3I just call them a bag of dicksMay 04 04:51
GoForbes28that works too :PMay 04 04:51
GoForbes28Anyway, what were we talking about before?May 04 04:52
GoForbes28Ah yes, Debian mixedMay 04 04:52
GoForbes28:PMay 04 04:52
olorin_Yep.May 04 04:52
olorin_And some other distro's.May 04 04:52
olorin_This box should be running a clean version of Lenny.May 04 04:53
GoForbes28oiaohm: so Debian all-mixed is more worthwhile than Debian testing/sid mix?May 04 04:53
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GoForbes28oiaohm: No real benefit to installing just Testing and update from there?May 04 04:54
oiaohmGoForbes28: Note my machine has been installed for over 10 yearsMay 04 04:55
GoForbes28I love reliabilityMay 04 04:55
oiaohmGoForbes28: so I have a some old stuff I have not bothered updating.May 04 04:55
GoForbes28you have sold me, my friendMay 04 04:55
GoForbes28Is it a pc you are running or a portable?May 04 04:55
oiaohmPCMay 04 04:55
GoForbes28hmmMay 04 04:55
oiaohmthis installs have been on many PC's in its life time.May 04 04:55
oiaohmI don't treat debian what you call nice.May 04 04:56
GoForbes28have you ever tried this on a standard laptop?May 04 04:56
oiaohmWas for a while.May 04 04:56
oiaohmAbout 2 years back.May 04 04:56
GoForbes28no problems using stable old packages with much newer hardware?May 04 04:56
oiaohmYes I serousallly just master image from machine to machine.May 04 04:56
oiaohmMost hardware stuff is done by the kernel you have.May 04 04:57
GoForbes28gotchaMay 04 04:57
oiaohmI am not say at times to make stuff fully function you don't have to get rid of some stable bits.May 04 04:57
oiaohmAnd take some testing.May 04 04:57
GoForbes28Well, I'll test mixed in VirtualBox, then when I format I'll likely use it, or wuss out and use TestingMay 04 04:57
oiaohmInstead.May 04 04:57
oiaohmTesting + sid most likely more suitable for new install.May 04 04:58
oiaohmSince in time that will most likely grow like mine.May 04 04:58
oiaohmInto a stable testing and sid.May 04 04:58
GoForbes28I guess, since testing is just stable in waitingMay 04 04:58
oiaohmI did start off 10 years ago on testing.May 04 04:58
GoForbes28and it evolved to the mix you have today?May 04 04:59
oiaohmYep.May 04 04:59
GoForbes28ok, so summarizingMay 04 04:59
GoForbes28start high, end in the mediumMay 04 04:59
GoForbes28Start with testing/sidMay 04 04:59
GoForbes28which will become stable/testingMay 04 05:00
GoForbes28or simply stableMay 04 05:00
GoForbes28questionMay 04 05:00
oiaohmtesting packages eventinally get moved to stable.May 04 05:00
oiaohmwhen a stable release gets done.May 04 05:00
oiaohmSo from there you grow a pack of stable.May 04 05:00
GoForbes28how do you deal with a scenario where for example. the kernel is updated in testing, and the kernel update you want are in stable?May 04 05:01
olorin_oiaohm: Pinning?May 04 05:01
GoForbes28How do you make Debian know that you want to use the Stable respository to update your formally testing kernel?May 04 05:01
oiaohmGoForbes28: You normally hope that does not happen.May 04 05:01
oiaohm1 of the limitations of debian packagesMay 04 05:01
oiaohmis that you are only allowed 1.May 04 05:02
oiaohmolorin_: yes pinning.May 04 05:02
oiaohmGoForbes28: the release name it self does not change.May 04 05:02
Diablo-D3stable? updating?May 04 05:02
Diablo-D3what?May 04 05:02
oiaohmstable is not a release name.May 04 05:02
GoForbes28oiaohm: I seeMay 04 05:02
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Diablo-D3stable distros are never updated. period.May 04 05:02
GoForbes28so Testing Wheezy would be the same as Stable WheezyMay 04 05:03
Diablo-D3they're frozen in stone for a reasonMay 04 05:03
GoForbes28no diablo-D3May 04 05:03
Diablo-D3everyone elses stable trees? debian calls that testing.May 04 05:03
oiaohmGoForbes28: exactly.May 04 05:03
GoForbes28they receive updates, mostly in security but sometimes in usabilityMay 04 05:03
olorin_When it's adopted as the new Stable.May 04 05:03
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: not in the main distroMay 04 05:03
oiaohmAnd that is why you grow a stable.  GoForbes28May 04 05:03
GoForbes28oiaohm: What about Sid then?May 04 05:03
GoForbes28Sid is always SidMay 04 05:03
Diablo-D3sid is not a distroMay 04 05:03
Diablo-D3sid is short for still in developmentMay 04 05:03
*Diablo-D3 has ran debian for over a decade, btwMay 04 05:04
GoForbes28okMay 04 05:04
olorin_The evil kid in Toy Story.May 04 05:04
GoForbes28lolMay 04 05:04
oiaohmSid is the pure bleeding edge.May 04 05:04
Diablo-D3olorin_: nopeMay 04 05:04
Diablo-D3its just by chance thats sidMay 04 05:04
GoForbes28yesMay 04 05:04
Diablo-D3it wasnt meant to be a toy story reference even though that works so wellMay 04 05:04
GoForbes28all debian releases are named after toy story charactersMay 04 05:04
Diablo-D3see aboveMay 04 05:04
olorin_Diablo-D3: Bruce Perenz came from Pixar didn't he?May 04 05:04
oiaohmyet peiple do run pure sid installs.May 04 05:04
GoForbes28interestingMay 04 05:04
Diablo-D3I run pure sid.May 04 05:04
GoForbes28AptosidMay 04 05:04
Diablo-D3anyhow, it started like thisMay 04 05:04
Diablo-D3you had stable, you had unstableMay 04 05:05
Diablo-D3releases were promoted from unstable to stableMay 04 05:05
Diablo-D3but that whole setup sucks dickMay 04 05:05
Diablo-D3you cant form your release up if its unstableMay 04 05:05
Diablo-D3so they added a third stage, testingMay 04 05:05
Diablo-D3so stable is set it stone and perminentMay 04 05:05
Diablo-D3testing is whats going to be the next stableMay 04 05:05
Diablo-D3and unstable is now just sid, the eternal release that will never happenMay 04 05:06
Diablo-D3package versions considered stable enough are promoted to the current testingMay 04 05:06
GoForbes28and experimental is beyond thatMay 04 05:06
Diablo-D3sid never stops being siMay 04 05:06
Diablo-D3*sidMay 04 05:06
Diablo-D3experimental is not a distroMay 04 05:06
GoForbes28I knowMay 04 05:06
Diablo-D3its a repo that is incomplete and contains packages ready for testing, but not useMay 04 05:06
oiaohmDiablo-D3: Only one day sid becomes a release is the day debian dies.May 04 05:06
GoForbes28I only mean repositoriesMay 04 05:06
oiaohmDiablo-D3: a day whe hope never happens.May 04 05:06
Diablo-D3oiaohm: it cantMay 04 05:07
Diablo-D3sid is essentially an unreleaseMay 04 05:07
Diablo-D3it continually rolls foreverMay 04 05:07
Diablo-D3and throws packages at testing for future releaseMay 04 05:07
olorin_The cauldron where it all happens.May 04 05:07
oiaohmcontinually rolls unless debian stops.May 04 05:07
oiaohmBut odds of debian stoppingMay 04 05:07
oiaohmlow.May 04 05:07
GoForbes28So, if I install XFCE 4.8 from sid, will it eventually stop updating fromt he SID repo and through a more stable repo?May 04 05:07
olorin_Nill.May 04 05:07
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: noMay 04 05:07
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: if you install xfce in sid, you keep getting xfce in sidMay 04 05:08
Diablo-D3you dont install xfce 4.8, you install xfceMay 04 05:08
Diablo-D3debian doesnt work that wayMay 04 05:08
Diablo-D3I installed xfce when like 4.4 was newMay 04 05:08
Diablo-D3Im on 4.8May 04 05:08
Diablo-D3I didnt reinstall anything.May 04 05:08
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: now, as a side effect of the systemMay 04 05:09
Diablo-D3if you name your repos using a nameMay 04 05:09
Diablo-D3you keep that name foreverMay 04 05:09
Diablo-D3like, potatoMay 04 05:09
Diablo-D3it goes from testing to stable to deadMay 04 05:09
Diablo-D3your system never updates to the next versionMay 04 05:09
Diablo-D3if you set it to, say, stableMay 04 05:09
Diablo-D3it massively updates every other year or whateverMay 04 05:09
olorin_Not unless you change sources.list of course.May 04 05:10
Diablo-D3or testing, it constantly rolls "stable" packages from sidMay 04 05:10
Diablo-D3olorin_: yeahMay 04 05:10
GoForbes28okMay 04 05:10
GoForbes28it's starting to make more sense nowMay 04 05:10
Diablo-D3general debian users just set testingMay 04 05:10
Diablo-D3instead of stable or a specific release nameMay 04 05:10
GoForbes28So what I want is a Testing that eventually becomes stableMay 04 05:11
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: noMay 04 05:11
Diablo-D3you'd just stick with testingMay 04 05:11
Diablo-D3so it keeps rolling through all the testing releasesMay 04 05:11
olorin_Which is probably better suited for desktop use than Stable.May 04 05:11
Diablo-D3like I said earlierMay 04 05:11
Diablo-D3what other distos call stable, we call testingMay 04 05:11
GoForbes28I understood thatMay 04 05:11
Diablo-D3stable in debian is unmoving.May 04 05:12
Diablo-D3its a static targetMay 04 05:12
oiaohmdebian stable would be LTSMay 04 05:12
oiaohmIn other distrobutions.May 04 05:12
Diablo-D3well, even longer term than ubuntu LTS imoMay 04 05:12
Diablo-D3ubuntu LTS still updates shitMay 04 05:12
Diablo-D3debian stable barely gets security updates.May 04 05:12
Diablo-D3and you have to add the stable-security repo to get thoseMay 04 05:13
olorin_Err.May 04 05:13
GoForbes28so, for someone like me, testing is the way to goMay 04 05:13
Diablo-D3yesMay 04 05:13
olorin_Yes.May 04 05:13
Diablo-D3most debian users just put testing in their repo namesMay 04 05:14
Diablo-D3not any specific distroMay 04 05:14
Diablo-D3the fun part is, they never have to upgrade distrosMay 04 05:14
Diablo-D3it just keeps rollingMay 04 05:14
Diablo-D3something, well, EVERY OTHER DISTRO EVER FAILSMay 04 05:14
Diablo-D3and windows.May 04 05:14
Diablo-D3and osx.May 04 05:14
oiaohmDiablo-D3: I am kinda forced to use specific names.  My near by repo that does not cost me quota does not have the symbolic link.May 04 05:14
Diablo-D3oiaohm: thats just youMay 04 05:14
Diablo-D3you can manually change the names when time comesMay 04 05:15
GoForbes28Aptosid does rolling release pretty well, as does Arch AFAIKMay 04 05:15
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: yeah but thats new shitMay 04 05:15
GoForbes28okMay 04 05:15
oiaohmsid has not been tested to be know to be sane.May 04 05:15
oiaohmFor some things its fine like firefox.May 04 05:15
Diablo-D3I installed slink stableMay 04 05:15
Diablo-D3upgraded to potato unstableMay 04 05:16
olorin_Pure development branch.May 04 05:16
Diablo-D3went to woody unstableMay 04 05:16
Diablo-D3woody became the first testingMay 04 05:16
Diablo-D3and then I went to sidMay 04 05:16
Diablo-D3and Ive been there ever sinceMay 04 05:16
*Diablo-D3 has literally been around foreverMay 04 05:16
oiaohmDiablo-D3: we have been around the same ammount of time.May 04 05:16
olorin_Woody > Sarge back in the days.May 04 05:16
oiaohmBoth have slightly different ways.May 04 05:16
oiaohmResult basically the same.May 04 05:16
GoForbes28I'd like to ask you more questions, but the gravol's kicking in, getting tiredMay 04 05:17
GoForbes28Same place tomorrow?May 04 05:17
Diablo-D3if it wasnt for people like me, there'd be no debian =PMay 04 05:17
olorin_GoForbes28: Meds?May 04 05:17
GoForbes28nahMay 04 05:17
Diablo-D3and you know what, sid is still more stable than most distro's unstable branchesMay 04 05:17
GoForbes28regular over-the-counter stuffMay 04 05:17
GoForbes28just had some nauseaMay 04 05:17
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: go to bed before you pass outMay 04 05:17
olorin_Diablo-D3: Hey, Rene is pretty handy for Debian as well.May 04 05:17
GoForbes28Diablo-D3 I know that :)May 04 05:17
olorin_GoForbes28: I second that.May 04 05:17
GoForbes28wialll askkk morea about IAeihr THUNKMay 04 05:18
olorin_Right.May 04 05:18
Diablo-D3lolMay 04 05:18
GoForbes28It's ok guys, I know what I'm doingMay 04 05:18
GoForbes28I know the side-effectsMay 04 05:19
GoForbes28It's kind of a perverse sort of challenge, to fight the drogginess, lolMay 04 05:19
olorin_I have don't if for hours now.May 04 05:19
GoForbes28To close tonight, I'd like to say I like the idea of Debian testingMay 04 05:20
oiaohmO boy I just notice I still have some packages from lenny insalled.May 04 05:20
olorin_Real mean stay up all night.May 04 05:20
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oiaohmSo this beast is currently.May 04 05:20
GoForbes28good nightMay 04 05:20
oiaohmdead stable testing and sid.May 04 05:20
olorin_oiaohm: Great.May 04 05:21
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oiaohmthey will be gone in about 15 mins.May 04 05:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Debian is talking about PPA .. must haveMay 04 05:22
olorin_Solbu: I think it's time for us to upgrade again.May 04 05:24
olorin_oiaohm: EOL for Lenny, any idea?May 04 05:28
oiaohmolorin_: I would have to dig it up.May 04 05:29
olorin_oiaohm: Solbu probably have it, but he's probably sleeping.May 04 05:31
oiaohmOk not offically released data yet.May 04 05:31
oiaohmNormally 12 to 18 months after the next release.May 04 05:31
oiaohmSo not quite dead yet but heading that way.May 04 05:31
oiaohmAlways like to have that stuff cleared out.May 04 05:32
olorin_I should probably install Squeeze in VirtualBox and try it out.May 04 05:32
olorin_Looks like I'm covered regarding the datbase dumps etc.May 04 05:36
oiaohmolorin_: so you still on lenny?May 04 05:36
olorin_oiaohm: Apparently.May 04 05:36
oiaohmOk you are kinda due for an upgrade.May 04 05:37
olorin_Yeah, I think I'm gonna call Solbu when he wakes up.May 04 05:37
olorin_We obviously have to schedule the downtime.May 04 05:38
oiaohmReally should fit into normal downtime.May 04 05:40
oiaohmDebian works very well as rolling updates between releases.May 04 05:40
oiaohmReason I like debian on servers.May 04 05:40
oiaohmAs long as I don't let complete EOL sneak up on me.May 04 05:41
oiaohmI don't have my servers down for upgrading reasons.May 04 05:41
olorin_Crap, I just messed up the Drupal install.May 04 05:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] TBH I had it up to here with Americans preaching democracy and justice but denying people basic human rights at the same time. Hypocrites!May 04 06:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Your "land of the free" is a bunch of horseshit. Go deal with your own problems on your own soil and bring your fucking soldiers home.May 04 07:01
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DaemonFCdon't let the door hit you where the good lord split youMay 04 07:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: N900 Homescreen widget for cuteTube-QML: http://My-Maemo.com/?p=7231 #N900 #MaemoMay 04 07:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: Symbian Anna icon pack for the N900: http://My-Maemo.com/?p=7229 #N900 #MaemoMay 04 07:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: Squeezster - use your N900 as a remote control for Squeezebox music systems: http://My-Maemo.com/?p=7230 #N900 #MaemoMay 04 07:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: Multimedia Pack - Ogg/Vorbis/FLAC support for the N900: http://my-maemo.com/software/ #N900 #MaemoMay 04 07:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @khertan: #KhtEditor 1.0.4 uploaded to the #Maemo autobuilder. Should be available soon in extras devel repository. #N900May 04 07:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] This "low on space" Msg from my #HTC #desire is P me off. #failMay 04 07:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] No Punishment For Bogus DMCA Notices If Service Provider Doesn't Take Down The Content - http://bit.ly/jbMScM bizarre case #copyright #slMay 04 07:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @juancarlospaco !Ubuntu idea http://ur1.ca/42uh1May 04 07:59
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DaemonFCCan Ubuntu finally give Windows a run for its money? Sure, if you count desktop shell crashes per hour compared to Windows Vista. Jesus Christ! :PMay 04 08:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Nyhetsfolk kan inte bestämma sig om de vill uttala namnet som Möller eller Muller. Ska det vara så svårt att säga Müller? Eller åtm Myller.May 04 08:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Open Source Applications for Math Teachers - http://bit.ly/jIBZD4 an intellectual marriage made in heaven #maths #opensourceMay 04 08:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Oops. Killen heter faktiskt Victor Muller. Men så säg det då, med tyskt/nederländskt "u", istället för att låta så tveksam.May 04 08:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Cheerleader must compensate school that told her to clap 'rapist' - http://ind.pn/igGxng shameful stuff (v @AlexiMostrous @guyadams) #usMay 04 08:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @arnebab: Osama defeated Obama: We’re the stronger terrorists now. ideals die in the hands of leaders who throw away law for powerMay 04 08:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @glynmoody Open Source Applications for Math Teachers - http://bit.ly/jIBZD4 an intellectual marriage made in heaven #maths #opensourceMay 04 08:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] http://www.theatlantic.com/national/archive/2011/05/anatomy-of-a-fake-quotation/238257/ Interesting story of how memes emerge and propagate.May 04 08:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] You know it already, but that's one reason I stopped buying #Apple, a fight you can't win: http://ur1.ca/084ydMay 04 08:31
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schestowitz[04:19] <Diablo-D3> go fuck offMay 04 08:37
schestowitzWTH?May 04 08:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Oh, so *that's* what we celebrate on Walpurgis Night! http://www.boingboing.net/2011/04/30/worldwideweb-18-year.htmlMay 04 08:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] today is the day to wake up, Neo, for it's not a DReaM, it's a nightmare! http://ur1.ca/42n3d !dbdMay 04 08:51
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MadRobothi all.May 04 08:51
MadRobotAnyone else tried the new Ubuntu?May 04 08:51
MadRobotIt sucks like HELL.May 04 08:51
schestowitzHeh. Does it?May 04 08:52
Aondodo you mean the interface?May 04 08:52
schestowitzTry Kubuntu thenMay 04 08:52
schestowitz4.6May 04 08:52
Aondoi like some of the things in the new interface, specially the way to save pixel spaceMay 04 08:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] !dfn Singularity, the: n. Hypothetical event where technology becomes so advanced that clearing a cheque takes longer than recorded history.May 04 08:52
Aondobut dislike othersMay 04 08:52
schestowitzyesterday's interview we did with jono bacon spent over half an hour talking just about unityMay 04 08:53
AondoheheMay 04 08:53
MadRobotAondo, yes. I believe the new interface seems quite promising. But making it the default thing at this level was a huge mistake.May 04 08:54
AondoAtleast they try to experiment outside of the LTS releasesMay 04 08:55
MadRobotAondo, I mean seriously, I can't even install a new panel-application without using Synaptic or the Terminal?? What the hell?! :PMay 04 08:55
Aondomaking anything default isnt that big of a deal, when those who knows how to change things for them self, can actually do so. and they made that pretty simple for you tooMay 04 08:55
AondoheheMay 04 08:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] This is unbelievable. Land of the free? http://ur1.ca/42uz3 Texas - where else?May 04 08:56
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MadRobotAondo, another thing. Not just the new interface sucks, but even the classic Gnome one sucks too.May 04 08:56
*schestowitz glad to have stayed with KDE for the most part. Also stayed out of KDE4 till later releases.May 04 08:57
schestowitzMadRobot: maybe cause the de-emphasise itMay 04 08:57
schestowitzMadRobot: IIRC you once tried kubuntuMay 04 08:57
schestowitzI can recall us talking about some KDE distro with youMay 04 08:57
MadRobotAondo, Compiz is broken. And due to that, I can no longer use the zoom-in feature that I use quite a lot. May 04 08:57
schestowitzMadRobot: try Fedora 15 beta maybeMay 04 08:58
schestowitzit has gnome shellMay 04 08:58
schestowitzand it ought to work with 3D using the free/libre driversMay 04 08:58
schestowitz!google fedora 15 downloadMay 04 08:58
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Releases/Rawhide - FedoraProject | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/RawhideMay 04 08:58
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Fedora Project - Get the next Fedora | http://fedoraproject.org/get-prereleaseMay 04 08:58
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Fedora 15 Alpha release notes - FedoraProject | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_15_Alpha_release_notesMay 04 08:58
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MadRobotschestowitz, I love Kubuntu. And that's why I can't wait until I get a new powerful PC on which I'll be using KDE as my main interface.May 04 08:59
schestowitzotherwise, to avoid download, type in sudo apt-get install kubuntu-desktopMay 04 08:59
schestowitzOr kde-desktop for more vanilla one (if they still build it)May 04 08:59
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MadRobotschestowitz, Kubtuntu sucks on my machine. It's too damn heavy.May 04 08:59
schestowitzMadRobot: it does not require a very powerful PCMay 04 08:59
schestowitz1 GB of RAM is more than enough with one coreMay 04 08:59
MadRobotschestowitz, really?May 04 09:00
schestowitz4.6 is probably lightter than early and buggy versions with plasma broken in placesMay 04 09:00
schestowitzMadRobot: but it depends how much stuff you do on itMay 04 09:00
schestowitzFor example, if you don't do video editingMay 04 09:00
MadRobotI see.May 04 09:00
schestowitzMy dad uses KDE4May 04 09:00
schestowitzAnd he has only 1GB or RAM or 0;.5May 04 09:01
schestowitzI can't rememberMay 04 09:01
schestowitzI thnk 0.5May 04 09:01
MadRobotWell.. I'm gonna give it shot then! :)May 04 09:01
MadRobotThanks. :DMay 04 09:01
schestowitzinstall from the command lineMay 04 09:01
schestowitzThan you can select kde from the menuMay 04 09:01
MadRobotyeah I usually do that.May 04 09:01
schestowitzI did this at the lab some months backMay 04 09:01
schestowitzit worked well in 10.10May 04 09:01
MadRobotYupMay 04 09:02
schestowitzYou can do this in the background while you're using ubuntu gnome desktop/unityMay 04 09:02
schestowitzabout 150MBMay 04 09:02
schestowitz(IIRC)May 04 09:02
schestowitzMadRobot: heard about mono team yet?May 04 09:02
MadRobotActually, I also can't wait to buy a new PC because I'd like to install Arch Linux on it.May 04 09:02
schestowitzThere's some major news, they all got fired 2 days agoMay 04 09:02
MadRobotschestowitz, nope. What's that?May 04 09:02
schestowitzmaybe gnome will manage to overcome the mono infestationMay 04 09:03
MadRobotPlease fill me in.May 04 09:03
schestowitzI'm interested in seeing what de Icaza does now. It ought to show if we were right about him all along.May 04 09:03
MadRobotKool!May 04 09:03
MadRobotWe shall wait and see.May 04 09:04
schestowitzThis also means that all the vendetta against us will endMay 04 09:04
schestowitzAll the attacks on us or most of it came from Mono boostersMay 04 09:04
MadRobotI agree.May 04 09:04
schestowitzInc. the people who tried to classify us as "boys" and harass each one in isolation. These were the Mono boosters.May 04 09:04
MadRobotschestowitz, yeah. According to them, anyone who opposes M$'s dirty games is considered a "boy".May 04 09:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @wayneborean: indeedMay 04 09:07
schestowitzMadRobot: Well, I guess it's those "boys" who have jobs, not the Mono enthusiastsMay 04 09:09
MadRobotExactly.May 04 09:10
MadRobotThey're probably not Mono enthusiasts as much as they are M$ kool-aide addicts.May 04 09:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Peter Harrison Speaks About Software Patents http://is.gd/SIAnfU #swpats #monopoly #uspto #debateMay 04 09:12
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schestowitz"I look forward to seeing what miguel de icaza does next http://is.gd/j5Fc5a #microsoft #mono"May 04 09:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] After literature and MP3: #Baidu’s encyclopedia accused of copyright infringement in China - http://bit.ly/kmmIff #wikipedia content?May 04 09:17
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MadRobotbtw, if we ponder it a little, we'll see that Mono hadn't brought anything new to the Gnome desktop other than the mono run-time packages. The rest is either redundant or totally unnecessary.May 04 09:19
MadRobotE.g: Banshee is no more than a Rhythmbox clone built with mono.May 04 09:20
schestowitzand more bugs I hear..May 04 09:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Apple Now Worth Almost Twice as Much as #Microsoft http://is.gd/4BBo8N #phone #wp7 #failMay 04 09:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Apple Now Worth Almost Twice as Much as Microsoft http://is.gd/4BBo8N #swpats #googleMay 04 09:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Fed up with German media having no fucking clue about anything WRT the Sony hack. Anyone can get hacked, you idiots. Security is hard.May 04 10:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] The only reason the ARD/WDR don't get hacked is because nobody cares about them. I doubt their defenses are even close.May 04 10:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] What a truly wonderfully done video about YOUR vote being secret. Brought a tear in my eye http://ur1.ca/42v9f #sgelectionMay 04 10:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Attachmate’s Novell Strategy So Far: Kill Mono, Keep SUSE, Maybe Antitrust Against Microsoft http://is.gd/7FcJDa #Attachmate #antitrustMay 04 10:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Attachmate’s Novell Strategy So Far: Kill Mono, Keep SUSE, Maybe Antitrust Against Microsoft http://is.gd/7FcJDa #mono #suse #opensuseMay 04 10:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @dickturpin: Listening to !lo EP 202 I didn't know @fabsh was German I just thought he had a speech impediment. ;-)May 04 10:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] How the Afghan war influenced the Canadian election http://alturl.com/w9yh9May 04 10:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !q "All human beings are born free and equal in dignity and rights." - http://outl.ws/0sMay 04 10:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Good Week for !Techrights http://is.gd/GGLGGP Our most vocal critics may leave us alone now. #mono #thuggeryMay 04 10:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Good Week for #Techrights http://is.gd/GGLGGP Our most vocal critics may leave us alone now.May 04 10:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] PPI: How to reclaim your premiums http://is.gd/LKUMuk please RTMay 04 10:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #BBC execs still paid too much http://is.gd/U5BE9s but we'll see plenty of bleating about cutbacks of services & wage cuts for non-execsMay 04 10:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @gijs Germany's public administrations talking about their open source projects #LinuxTag http://ur1.ca/41odtMay 04 10:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Shooting an unarmed man somehow doesn't feel very heroic. #obl I guess we will have to wait till #WikiLeaks gives us the full report ;-)May 04 10:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @bencnn: It's former Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak's 83rd birthday. Sic transit gloria mundi. #jan25May 04 10:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Comm Oettinger returns to business as usual by giving the nuclear lobby what it wants. No real review of nuclear plants in Europe. #FailMay 04 10:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] To all mobile corps that are losing market share: MSFT will help. #nokia, #RIM just the start?May 04 10:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Gods I need a coffee!May 04 10:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Refreshing my Javascript knowledge and setting up #nodeJS - perfect way to kill time at airport!May 04 10:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] If @fabsh had a dog, I bet it would look like this :D !lo http://ur1.ca/42vgoMay 04 10:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] No new blog entry on Miguel de Icazas site so far. Should come soon, I guess. What's the future of MONO?May 04 11:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Inside the Minds of Patent Lawyers and Monopolists http://is.gd/58WVZC #swpats #monopoly !playoggMay 04 11:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Inside the Minds of Patent Lawyers and Monopolists http://is.gd/58WVZC #uspto #seattle #microsoft #motorola #androidMay 04 11:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @jwildeboer To all mobile corps that are losing market share: MSFT will help. #nokia, #RIM just the start?May 04 11:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] .@jwildeboer "help" as in euthanasia.May 04 11:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @jwildeboer No new blog entry on Miguel de Icazas site so far. Should come soon, I guess. What's the future of MONO?May 04 11:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] .@jwildeboer it's all in the name. Mo'? No.May 04 11:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻@rysiek ♻ @bencnn: It's former Egyptian president Hosni Mubarak's 83rd birthday. Sic transit gloria mundi. #jan25May 04 11:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @thistleweb #BBC execs still paid too much http://is.gd/U5BE9s but we'll see plenty of bleating about cutbacks of services & wage cuts...May 04 11:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 135 million downloads on 2011-05-04 10:02 UTCMay 04 11:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @glynmoody After literature and MP3: #Baidu’s encyclopedia accused of copyright infringement in China - http://bit.ly/kmmIffMay 04 11:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] RT @rms NATO assassination attempt http://ur1.ca/42vggMay 04 11:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] @fabsh "[All human beings are born equal, free of dignity and rights]" -- MAFIAAMay 04 11:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] At last I managed to set my computer clock to !UTC through Gnome/Ubuntu clock setting.May 04 11:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] At last I managed to set my computer clock to !UTC through Gnome/Ubuntu clock setting.May 04 11:51
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RdPdNGTSkREMay 04 12:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Ha! Gnome Shell has stopped killing my CPU and melting my ThinkPad! Thank you, !Fedora devs! :DMay 04 12:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @richslxh If @fabsh had a dog, I bet it would look like this :D !lo http://ur1.ca/42vgoMay 04 12:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @richslxh LOL! :DMay 04 12:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Nice to see that many people on identica seem to agree that Human Rights aren't optional. You people rock! Stay steadfast!May 04 12:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Jack Straw is concerned that #EU law not recognising stem cell research patents will affect the outlook for British companies. #PMQMay 04 12:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] At work. While I patch cables I'm planning the next step for Sixgun Productions.May 04 12:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I've decided to scrap the Django project and setup a new D7 site with workflows that will house all the shows at sixgun.org.May 04 12:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] This should also give me the infrastructure to get the other shows out faster, like Rant o' Fab & KuhnMay 04 12:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Alberta pipeline leak largest since 1975 http://ur1.ca/42vt2May 04 12:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Lebanon's PM designate says Hezbollah a 'tumor'. http://is.gd/1XoQX6May 04 12:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] The World's Smallest Video Camera - Slashdot http://ur1.ca/42vt3May 04 12:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @alek @thornet: <3 RT @brainpicker Lo-fi genius! Handmade visualization toolkit by Bogota-based designer @joseduarteq http://j.mp/iTr9M2May 04 12:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Bed blocking being discussed again.. decade after decade. #PMQMay 04 12:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Checked in to Geneva at MUC airport. Ofcourse with the #transnational ID Card.May 04 12:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] DFAT must not shirk the Australian public on US co-option: http://is.gd/4GkxSoMay 04 12:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] @fontana I find the lack of truly disturbing things in !disturbing to be !disturbing.May 04 12:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Important cables released on Japan, Pakistan, Israel, Lebanon, Bahrain http://alturl.com/gjq3gMay 04 12:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @fabsh I guess I'd have to use #Skype ?May 04 12:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana I'm sure we can use @bkuhn's Asterisk setup. We could also dial you on a landline.May 04 13:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @effiejayx Debunking FUD: " !Ubuntu restricts you, !Ubuntu spies on you" http://ur1.ca/42vylMay 04 13:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @ansol New blog post: ANSOL festeja o dia contra o DRM http://blog.softwarelivre.sapo.pt/2011/05/04/ansol-festeja-o-dia-contra-o-drm/May 04 13:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Keith Olberman Gets Mean to Republican Politicians - http://is.gd/mEH8m2 - tells the truth #humor #politics #effectivenessMay 04 13:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Osama bin Laden, Legendary Activist, Dead at 54: http://is.gd/virfQM #humorMay 04 13:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] You wouldn't think a 15 kilo dog could snore that loud. I'm tempted to hook up my electric guitar and set it on 'obliterate'May 04 13:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @hayleycampbelly: RT @BoingBoing: Yvette Vickers co-star of "Attack of the 50 Foot Woman" found mummified in LA home http://bit.ly/lh9EvKMay 04 13:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Hilarious #satire Wal-Mart audio ad http://ur1.ca/42w1lMay 04 13:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] @fontana @bkuhn Long suspected there's nothing wrong with @schestowitz that cutting down on caffeine wouldn't fix. (Said with affection.)May 04 13:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] caught up, mostly, with email; more immigration things completed this morning; fixed some bugs in libplasma.May 04 13:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] next up: completing kwin shadow support for panels, iceScrum stuff.May 04 13:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Beer n Bocadillo time #nomnomMay 04 13:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] RT @bbabel @aseigo The person who said "You can kill a man, but you can’t kill an idea” was Medgar Evers, not Evans.May 04 13:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] and honestly, i find both such positions to be demonstrably detrimental to society. the kind of things one should speak out against.May 04 13:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Interesting read. Scott James Remnant on #Harmony, #Canonical, #Google and #Upstart: http://outl.ws/0t !LOMay 04 13:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Also read on here: http://outl.ws/0u #Harmony !LOMay 04 13:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @tante RT @Scytale: RT @ralfheimann: Auch StudiVZ meldet Datenpanne. Fast alle 44 Nutzer sollen betroffen sein.May 04 13:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @fontana just remembered, ratherMay 04 13:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Have anybody successful made a #Linux #Live CD, with #PGP 10 Desktop Client software installed? I don't care what distribution it isMay 04 13:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @fabsh #Asterisk setup of @bkuhn in 2006/2007 contributed to disenchantment of @allisonrandal w/ !GPLv3. Adverse historical effects persist.May 04 13:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] #Ubuntu's done a great job in recent years establishing it's reputation as the system that "just used to work, until the latest release".May 04 13:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana LOL. Really? Anyway, I'd be happy to have you on the show finally. :)May 04 13:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Awesome JBoss World at RH Summit keynote/demo! http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/14457992May 04 13:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @yamatt: Whoops! Just started a wget command that attempted to download the whole identi.ca domain.May 04 13:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @fabsh Scott James #Remnant also has the best name of any developer in the history of !freesoftware I thinkMay 04 13:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] 5 similarities between collaborative consumption and open source technology | http://red.ht/kes6ASMay 04 14:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] We should have a national !identi.ca !haiku day. Every dent should be 5,7,5 syllables :) My favourite Haiku style.May 04 14:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] got bitten by a spidermonkey, first thought it was a greasemonkey http://is.gd/q7TDKJ #bug #ajax #firefoxMay 04 14:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I have just filled in my 2011 census form.May 04 14:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @nokia: Qt SDK 1.1. graduates from beta to full release status http://nokia.ly/kXe4KRMay 04 14:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoExperts: Acer Considering Meego Tablet for the future http://mge.bz/ab #Acer #MeeGo #TabletMay 04 14:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @qtbynokia: #Qt #Labs Blog - Qt 4.7.3 and Qt Mobility 1.1.3 have been released http://ow.ly/1ctT42May 04 14:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @N900_Drips: gPodder 2.15 available; QML UI plans and Diablo support http://bit.ly/jNLDfY #Nokia #N900May 04 14:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @qtbynokia: Qt SDK 1.1 - the video. http://ow.ly/4MOGg #qt #qtquickMay 04 14:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoExperts: Qt SDK with MeeGo 1.2 release preview – Fathi Boudra http://mge.bz/ag #Qt #SDK #Intel #Nokia #MeeGo #MeegoFIMay 04 14:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] lesson of the day - ALL mainstream parties will say ANYTHING they believe will get you to vote for them in an election http://is.gd/3TY1LfMay 04 14:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] truth, ethics, balance & the public interest all go out the window when there's a new 4yr gravy train about to leave the station to catchMay 04 14:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Elop to leave Nokia in 2012? That must be some kind of record for most damage done to major business in shortest time. http://is.gd/7yRqjUMay 04 14:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana He sounds like he can separate into small, independent #Remnants that will kill you by overwhealming you like replicants in SG.May 04 14:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] How One Startup Used Patents To Kill A (Better) Competitor http://is.gd/RdiTuDMay 04 14:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Many excellent points by @bkuhn on #mono developers getting laid off by Attachmate http://ur1.ca/42tebMay 04 14:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Kernel prepatch 2.6.39-rc6 http://lwn.net/Articles/441317/rssMay 04 14:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] See that !haiku group?/ @gomerx @reality / it was meant to beMay 04 14:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] @fontana He is all that is left of the original Scott James. It's related to an alpha release of the Singularity.May 04 14:56
aleksandarcongrats to Techrights; were discussing Mono this very moment and someone mentioned all the good free software news. needless to say, your timing for the naming change was sublime. great work.May 04 14:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] Making an effort to rededicate my life to org-mode. #gtd #churchofemacsMay 04 15:02
oiaohmaleksandar: the damage to mono will come clear in the next few months.May 04 15:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LOL. They even celebrate FAIL. ♺ @yamanickill: Loving the apple advert for the white iphone. Picture of it with the word "finally". Haha!May 04 15:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoExperts: QML: How to not crash if QtMobility.location is not available http://mge.bz/aj #QML #QtMobilityMay 04 15:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @trashbird1240 Two, right?May 04 15:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] #Linux #kernel 2.6.39-rc6 http://bit.ly/ikXVsU "We're still chasing some stuff down [...] This isn't going to be the final -rc, but [...]"May 04 15:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @dickturpin: I am bald / I work at Heathrow / I am runway 4May 04 15:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks Bahrain: Jamry calls Khawaja an opportunist who has no interest in democratic reform http://tinyurl.com/6crvyshMay 04 15:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] When I make it home, I'll need some coffee.....May 04 15:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] FSF presents: http://www.ehow.com/how_2073616_be-monk.htmlMay 04 15:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Unhappy Mounties sick of being private #copyright cops - http://bit.ly/jdmVbW time for police pushback: they have better things to doMay 04 15:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How One Startup Used #Patents To Kill A (Better) Competitor - http://bit.ly/m1J3me yeah, just what patents are designed to doMay 04 15:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] First leaked pics of Bin Laden after being shot? or fakes: http://ur1.ca/42wqzMay 04 15:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @reality you don't speak in verse / my only diagnosis / you must be perverseMay 04 15:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] did the #US tell the truth about "how" #BinLaden died? "a coward hiding behind his wife"? They invented shit like this before #propagandaMay 04 15:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] imagine if it was a heroic end? it's in their interests to spin him as a coward, it's all part of the war, spreading #misinformationMay 04 15:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @glynmoody How One Startup Used #Patents To Kill A (Better) Competitor - http://bit.ly/m1J3me yeah, just what patents are designed to doMay 04 15:26
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GoForbes28hello allMay 04 15:28
aleksandarB-Laden served well in the 80s against Soviets, helped fill the balkans with his sweet men in the 90s and was the greatest pitchman for military surges of the 00s. Its a shame they used the 'the dog ate my homework' excuse as to  why they dont have a body to show. May 04 15:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Tomlinson Decision: How Far Can We Trust The Metropolitan #Police? - http://bit.ly/jRgLU7 questions that need answeringMay 04 15:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: US bullying Canada over copyright places country on watch list http://alturl.com/j669qMay 04 15:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @glynmoody How One Startup Used #Patents To Kill A (Better) Competitor - http://bit.ly/m1J3me yeah, just what patents are designed to doMay 04 15:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] #Attachmate is moving swiftly to re-organize the Novell business it acquired: lays off !Mono employees http://is.gd/TUgqr5May 04 15:37
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GoForbes28Diablo-D3?May 04 15:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana Why doesn't that surprise me? :)May 04 15:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Systemd and ConsoleKit http://lwn.net/Articles/441328/rssMay 04 15:41
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GoForbes28gnufreex?May 04 15:42
GoForbes28cubezzz?May 04 15:42
GoForbes28MinceR?May 04 15:42
GoForbes28sebsebseb?May 04 15:42
gnufreexGoForbes28: HeyMay 04 15:42
gnufreexwhat's up?May 04 15:42
GoForbes28I was going to ask diablo some follow-up debian questionsMay 04 15:42
GoForbes28maybe you can answer?May 04 15:43
gnufreexMaybeMay 04 15:43
gnufreexBut I use Arch linuxMay 04 15:43
gnufreexHave debian alsoMay 04 15:43
gnufreexinstalledMay 04 15:43
gnufreexshootMay 04 15:44
GoForbes28I tried Arch, but I'm just not dedicated enough :PPMay 04 15:44
GoForbes28anywhoMay 04 15:44
GoForbes28So I've determined that is would be best for me to use the Testing Repos after talking to Diablo and oiaohmMay 04 15:44
GoForbes28However, I also want to install XFCE 4.8, currently a part of SidMay 04 15:45
GoForbes28Diablo explained that using the XFCE packages in Sid would mean they would be forever updated by the Sid repository, ala if Xfce 4.8 became part of testing, I would still get updates only from sid from that packageMay 04 15:46
GoForbes28How can I possibly counteract that?  I don't really want the unstable Xfce releases foreverMay 04 15:46
gnufreexThat sounds about right.May 04 15:46
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/72642359May 04 15:46
TechrightsBot-tr@George Hostler (ghostler)'s status on Wednesday, 04-May-11 11:21:16 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Interesting Attachmate is returning SuSE to Germany. M$ wore out opponent in court, did devil's deal, WordPerfect Linux no moreMay 04 15:46
schestowitzgnufreex: see  http://identi.ca/conversation/70238943#notice-72645026May 04 15:46
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schestowitzthey lie (Manish)May 04 15:47
schestowitzHe doesn't even knowMay 04 15:47
schestowitzHe was probably in secondary school when I criticised Mono (early days)May 04 15:47
Diablo-D3[10:38:24] <GoForbes28> Diablo-D3?May 04 15:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Whenever I read "orgmode", I think "orgasm". OoMay 04 15:47
Diablo-D3whatMay 04 15:47
GoForbes28Wordperfect for Linux hasn't existed for years...May 04 15:47
schestowitzof courseMay 04 15:48
schestowitz!google techrights corel .net dealMay 04 15:48
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Common Netscape/Corel attack group - Techrights | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Common_Netscape/Corel_attack_groupMay 04 15:48
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Corel | Techrights | http://techrights.org/category/corel/May 04 15:48
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Novell — Like Corel — Becomes a Microsoft Vassal, Promotes XAML ... | http://techrights.org/2009/11/13/silverlight-xaml-novell-boost/May 04 15:48
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Bill Gates and His 'Attack Groups' | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2007/09/03/attack-group-novell-corel/May 04 15:48
GoForbes28schestowitz: The dent you posted suggests that it has just endedMay 04 15:48
GoForbes28Diablo-D3: I was asking a follow-up question from yesterday's conversation, see the question I posed to gnufreexMay 04 15:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] The Shaft is awesome. :DMay 04 15:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Bulgarian Media: Lacking Money and Morals http://alturl.com/wzp43May 04 15:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Ahhhh! Coffee! Finally!!May 04 15:52
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: wait two weeks or soMay 04 15:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[goforbes28/@goforbes28] @wayneborean Breath-right nasel strip? ;)May 04 15:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Deconstructing Red Hat’s OpenShift: The Q&A - http://bit.ly/ljKP6K typically clear explanation from @sogrady #cloudcomputingMay 04 15:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Still find !disturbing / @bkuhn had crush on #Yothers / noise for @andycMay 04 15:54
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Diablo-D3packages, when they dont have enough bugs, automatically get promoted to testingMay 04 15:54
Diablo-D3and I doubt you need any 4.8 specific featuresMay 04 15:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] U.S. India Business Council lobbies extensively with the Indian Govt. for increased IP protection - http://bit.ly/krOryn no, really? #indiaMay 04 15:56
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GoForbes28Diablo-D3: So wait for 4.8 to enter testing eh?  Luckily I'm a patient man. :)May 04 15:56
Diablo-D3if you plan on using debian, you will be patientMay 04 15:56
Diablo-D3debian testing doesnt get shit until it works rightMay 04 15:56
Diablo-D3sid gets shit when it works right by the definition of other, shittier, distrosMay 04 15:57
GoForbes28I love Debian, like I said, it's a Hilux pickupMay 04 15:57
GoForbes28Dump it on an Panasonic toughbook and you have a very reliable computerMay 04 15:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] #BRAMALab also supports the Day Against DRM, too! http://ur1.ca/42x3s Spread the word!May 04 15:59
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aleksandarWill U be adding the videocasts to Youtube? Many people subscribe to youtube channels & it could bring more viewers who might not know Techrights. May 04 16:00
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aleksandar Like Identica/twitter its another social media but video IS what youtube is about. May 04 16:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] !fsfe 's May #newsletter covering competiton with 882 swpats, 367 fixed institutions, ... http://l.fsfe.org/nl201105May 04 16:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Can't sleep, gotta build. There's a floor that needs to be drilled. And all I wanna do is diiiiig!May 04 16:01
GoForbes28Diablo-D3: Now, if I turn off the Testing repos and have only the Stable and stable security repos on, does it work?May 04 16:01
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Diablo-D3GoForbes28: define "works"May 04 16:01
GoForbes28ala, I'll get updates from StableMay 04 16:02
GoForbes28"updates"May 04 16:02
Diablo-D3well, sureMay 04 16:02
Diablo-D3but 4.8 wont make it into stableMay 04 16:02
Diablo-D3not until the next stable push sometime next yearMay 04 16:03
GoForbes28for a long long timeMay 04 16:03
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GoForbes28I seeMay 04 16:03
GoForbes28Who actually uses the stable repos?May 04 16:04
Diablo-D3people who absolutely need itMay 04 16:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Good Morning !IdentiverseMay 04 16:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] UK #farmers "fundamentally anti-environment" - http://bit.ly/lu00sl should get on well with European #fishermen, then... #environmentMay 04 16:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @sankarshan "How to put the GSOC experience in LinkedIn or simmilar" : http://tinyurl.com/3shh9wgMay 04 16:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] RD @graziano: #dbd action idea: tag #DRM crippled items on #Amazon with defectivebydesign #gnulinuxlibre share, blog, act now! #nodrmMay 04 16:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @glynmoody Deconstructing Red Hat’s OpenShift: The Q&A - http://bit.ly/ljKP6K typically clear explanation from @sogrady #cloudcomputingMay 04 16:04
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sebsebsebGoForbes28: Diablo-D3 nisshh  schestowitz  Oh man I am crying I missed ask Mark!May 04 16:04
Diablo-D3who what?May 04 16:05
sebsebsebwell could have been there for the very end, but my question woudn't have been answered if I asked one then probablyMay 04 16:05
sebsebsebDiablo-D3: Ask Mark Shuttleworth on IRC just nowMay 04 16:05
Diablo-D3oh who the fuck caresMay 04 16:05
sebsebsebyeah I find Mark so amazing, that I am really upset nowMay 04 16:05
Diablo-D3I'd ask him "hey mark, why the fuck do you hate FOSS"May 04 16:05
sebsebsebMark is my heroMay 04 16:05
Diablo-D3and he'd be like "dude, Im rich, fuck you"May 04 16:05
Diablo-D3and totally sidestep the question like a doucheMay 04 16:05
sebsebsebDiablo-D3: heh hehMay 04 16:06
Diablo-D3with enemies like Mark, who needs friends >_>May 04 16:06
sebsebsebanyway yeah I am joking about the crying part, I did want to ask why it was called Unity though,  altough I got a answer from jcastro which was probably basically it anywayMay 04 16:06
GoForbes28Mark Shuttleworth is like Steve Jobs liteMay 04 16:06
GoForbes28Same charismaMay 04 16:07
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: not evenMay 04 16:07
GoForbes28Same stupid directionMay 04 16:07
Diablo-D3I'd have a beer with SteveMay 04 16:07
Diablo-D3I'd beat Mark with a beer bottle.May 04 16:07
sebsebsebGoForbes28: well yeah I guess he is really now that Ubuntu is more like Mac OS X by default since 10.04May 04 16:07
sebsebsebaltough it's Unity I guess that mainly makesi t more like a OS X?May 04 16:07
GoForbes28I tried Xubuntu yesterday for kicksMay 04 16:07
Diablo-D3ManMay 04 16:07
Diablo-D3we have all evil dudesMay 04 16:07
GoForbes28It crashed twice before I had finished installing itMay 04 16:07
Diablo-D3why no evil womenMay 04 16:07
*Diablo-D3 would kill for an evil womenMay 04 16:08
GoForbes28Nancy Peloski?May 04 16:08
Diablo-D3I said a woman, damnit!May 04 16:08
Diablo-D3dohohohohMay 04 16:08
GoForbes28Ms. Rice?May 04 16:08
GoForbes28Ann Coulter?May 04 16:08
MinceRGoForbes28?May 04 16:08
GoForbes28All female Fox News hosts?May 04 16:08
Diablo-D3ann coulter is a dude goddamnitMay 04 16:08
GoForbes28MinceR: yeah?May 04 16:08
sebsebsebDiablo-D3: I got some sleep problems, so I could have had a rather long day, and stayed awake for Ask Mark, and then more hours as well then bed again, but nah I decicided to sleep earlier instead,  went to bed not feeling tired as useual though hmmMay 04 16:08
Diablo-D3and the fox news chicsk... eh.... not "evil"May 04 16:08
Diablo-D3they're just dumbMay 04 16:09
GoForbes28MinceR: And I'm taking it you are asking me a question and not being a dick in the morningMay 04 16:09
sebsebsebDiablo-D3: oh and so right now,  after just waking up about half an hour ago, well now I feel tired,  that's how things go though, when like thisMay 04 16:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[micu/@micu] Julian !Assange: » !Facebook in particular is the most appalling spying machine that has ever been invented. « is.gd/y7oo34 !Wikileaks !FSMay 04 16:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] British Telecom: please include freedom in your new music service http://ur1.ca/42nvwMay 04 16:09
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Diablo-D3I want a smart evil chick, tall, dark hair, tits of the right size, looks good in one of those executive ceo type womens suitsMay 04 16:09
sebsebsebuh why did I just send that to Diablo-D3 and not GoForbes28 ?May 04 16:09
GoForbes28Bill Gates' wife?May 04 16:09
Diablo-D3you know, Ive seen mrs gatesMay 04 16:10
Diablo-D3shes actually decent lookingishMay 04 16:10
MinceRGoForbes28: it was the answer to "MinceR?" :>May 04 16:10
GoForbes28There you go, evilMay 04 16:10
sebsebsebGoForbes28: yeah about six hours sleep, and now I feel tired.  So yeah when things are messed up, sleep can do the opposite, or uhmm yeah not quite enough of it.May 04 16:10
Diablo-D3meh, shes not even evilMay 04 16:10
GoForbes28MinceR: Yeah, but look where you put that in?May 04 16:10
MinceRlolMay 04 16:10
Diablo-D3I mean, honestly, Ive never actually seen her do anythingMay 04 16:10
Diablo-D3she just shows up to Gates Foundation functions periodicallyMay 04 16:10
GoForbes28sebsebseb: For me, gravol hasn't totally warn off yetMay 04 16:11
Diablo-D3I mean, sure, she could be doing all the evil in the backgroundMay 04 16:11
Diablo-D3butMay 04 16:11
Diablo-D3mehMay 04 16:11
Diablo-D3does nothing for my dick.May 04 16:11
sebsebsebGoForbes28: gravol ?May 04 16:11
GoForbes28yeah, weren't you here last night?May 04 16:11
sebsebsebuh I was around last night, but not sure what your reffering to?May 04 16:11
GoForbes28I said I had taken gravol for nauseaMay 04 16:11
sebsebsebwhat's gravol.  and nausea sounds familur, so I guess remind me what that is?May 04 16:12
Diablo-D3sebsebseb: wikipedia dude.May 04 16:12
GoForbes28uhhh, really?May 04 16:12
GoForbes28!google gravolMay 04 16:12
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Dimenhydrinate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DimenhydrinateMay 04 16:12
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - gravol addiction >> Medical Questions, Weight Loss, Pregnancy ... | http://www.steadyhealth.com/gravol_addiction_t57232.htmlMay 04 16:12
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Side Effects of Gravol | eHow.com | http://www.ehow.com/facts_5159278_side-effects-gravol.htmlMay 04 16:12
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Gravol | http://gravol.ca/May 04 16:12
GoForbes28!google nauseaMay 04 16:12
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Nausea and Vomiting Causes, Treatment and Prevention of Nausea and ... | http://www.webmd.com/digestive-disorders/digestive-diseases-nausea-vomitingMay 04 16:12
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Nausea - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NauseaMay 04 16:12
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Nausea - Check Your Symptoms and Signs With the Symptom Checker by ... | http://www.medicinenet.com/nausea/symptoms.htmMay 04 16:12
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GoForbes28!wikipedia nauseaMay 04 16:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] RD @dbd Happy Day Against DRM! http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:DefectiveByDesign/Day_Against_DRM_2011 #nodrmMay 04 16:12
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GoForbes28nope, doesn't workMay 04 16:12
sebsebsebDiablo-D3: GoForbes28 MinceR  Anyway Ask Mark is really for the Ubuntu fan boys and such, oh Mark, oh Mark, he's so amazing, he started Ubuntu, oh Ubuntu, oh Ubuntu, oh Ubuntu, WOW, so amzazing, what an amzing OS, Windows sucks, WOW Ubuntu Ubuntu so amazing,  wow probably woudn't have been using Linux on the desktop if it wasn't for Ubuntu, oh Ubuntu, oh Ubuntu so amazingMay 04 16:13
sebsebsebanyway any of you seen V?May 04 16:13
sebsebsebV that Sci Fi series,  there's a re make, that's been showen hereMay 04 16:13
GoForbes28The old series or the new?May 04 16:13
*Diablo-D3 shoots sebsebseb May 04 16:13
Diablo-D3sebsebseb: dudeMay 04 16:13
Diablo-D3I didnt watch the remakeMay 04 16:13
sebsebsebGoForbes28: well either I guess really for what I am going to sayMay 04 16:13
Diablo-D3I refused toMay 04 16:13
Diablo-D3fuck that shit dudeMay 04 16:13
*GoForbes28 gives diablo some gravol.May 04 16:14
sebsebsebanyway you know how she's got bliss, and then they like all follow her and all that?May 04 16:14
Diablo-D3I'd totally hit that head chick thoughMay 04 16:14
sebsebseb,but then some of them well the bliss wears off, they become freeMay 04 16:14
Diablo-D3THATS the kind of evil Im looking forMay 04 16:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Mono boosters who were like 15 when I started criticisng Mono still incite people against me usuing revisionist lies. Don't believe them.May 04 16:14
sebsebsebwell Ubuntu is like thatMay 04 16:14
sebsebsebreallyMay 04 16:14
sebsebsebpeople think it's so amazing, but then for quite a lot, eventually that wears off :)May 04 16:14
sebsebseband they change distro or whatever :)May 04 16:15
sebsebseband I like Jono, but really he's one of the people who keeps a lot of other people, thinking Ubuntu is so amazingMay 04 16:15
MinceRit was pretty good but it got worse :>May 04 16:15
Diablo-D3sebsebseb: dudeMay 04 16:16
MinceRit went from "debian stable" to "another suse" :>May 04 16:16
GoForbes28Fortunately, in the GNU+Linux economy, there are infinite vendorsMay 04 16:16
sebsebsebDiablo-D3: What?May 04 16:16
sebsebsebGoForbes28: indeed :)May 04 16:16
GoForbes28If quality of one goes down, another pops upMay 04 16:16
sebsebsebGoForbes28: well not infinite, but yes many, loads of choice :)May 04 16:16
GoForbes28I mean infinite in the time senseMay 04 16:16
sebsebsebGoForbes28: and I think I know what the next rather popular distro may be :)May 04 16:17
GoForbes28For the future, there isn't a fix number of distrosMay 04 16:17
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GoForbes28Linux Mint?May 04 16:17
sebsebsebGoForbes28: altough as oiahomn basically said last night / this morning. got to beat Fedora in that caseMay 04 16:17
sebsebsebGoForbes28: Mint  nahMay 04 16:17
GoForbes28Debian?May 04 16:17
sebsebsebGoForbes28: altough for  now that's pretty popular sure, with those that aern't keen on UnityMay 04 16:17
sebsebsebDebian noMay 04 16:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @rpcutts: This is all rather annoying.May 04 16:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] Just saw @timoreilly keynote at #OCWCglobal and now the panel on MIT's decision to release OpenCourseWareMay 04 16:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] British Telecom: please include freedom in your new music service http://ur1.ca/42nvwMay 04 16:17
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GoForbes28Ok, is it slackware-based?May 04 16:18
Diablo-D3hehMay 04 16:18
Diablo-D3dudeMay 04 16:18
sebsebsebGoForbes28: also when I say the next rather popular may be.  I mean in like two to four years, possibilyMay 04 16:18
Diablo-D3fedora isnt nearly as bad as it wasMay 04 16:18
GoForbes28I knowMay 04 16:18
sebsebsebDiablo-D3: Mageia should be able to get more users over time :)May 04 16:18
sebsebsebthan Fedora hasMay 04 16:18
GoForbes28Mageia?May 04 16:18
GoForbes28haven't heard of itMay 04 16:18
GoForbes28!google mageiaMay 04 16:18
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Mageia - A New Linux Distribution | http://www.mageia.org/May 04 16:18
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Mageia Blog (English) | The new Linux distribution | http://blog.mageia.org/May 04 16:18
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Mageia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MageiaMay 04 16:18
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - DistroWatch.com: Mageia | http://distrowatch.com/mageiaMay 04 16:18
sebsebsebGoForbes28: the new Mandriva forkMay 04 16:18
Diablo-D3fuck that dudeMay 04 16:18
Diablo-D3mandriva is shitMay 04 16:18
sebsebsebGoForbes28: no Gnome 3 untill Mageia 2 though, since it's new, and the first version will be very similar to Mandriva 2011 really, except the new branding and such, but then they start doing their own thing much more.May 04 16:19
GoForbes28I'm sorry, but I don't see how that's the next Ubuntu in terms of populartiyMay 04 16:19
sebsebsebDiablo-D3: Mageia will become much better  than Mandriva I expect :)May 04 16:19
gnufreexhttp://www.techeye.net/software/attachmate-lays-off-mono-staff "It is not clear if Miguel has been sentenced to Nuremburg...May 04 16:19
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gnufreexLOLMay 04 16:19
sebsebsebGoForbes28: no  not the next Ubuntu, well it may beMay 04 16:19
sebsebsebGoForbes28: I mean  number 1May 04 16:20
sebsebsebGoForbes28: however they have a chance at beating Fedora for the number two spot, over time, I thinkMay 04 16:20
GoForbes28Yeah, like I saidMay 04 16:20
GoForbes28in terms of popularityMay 04 16:20
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GoForbes28"I'm sorry, but I don't see how that's the next Ubuntu in terms of *popularity*."May 04 16:20
sebsebsebGoForbes28: I guess I wasn't clear enough above, I meant rather popular, I didn't mean most popularMay 04 16:20
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GoForbes28doesn't number 1 donate the greatest popularity?May 04 16:21
sebsebsebNumber 1 has most users yesMay 04 16:21
sebsebsebthat's Ubuntu right nowMay 04 16:21
GoForbes28most users=greatest popularityMay 04 16:21
sebsebsebGoForbes28: also going by the amount of idiots that go into their support channels here and there, probably a good thing that Mageia doesn't become number one really :)May 04 16:21
MinceR"number 1" without context means nothing.May 04 16:21
sebsebsebGoForbes28: idiots as in not very nice people in this contextMay 04 16:21
GoForbes28I need Mono, wahhh1May 04 16:22
GoForbes28I believe that's an accurate demonstration.May 04 16:22
sebsebsebUbuntu is going to stay number 1 on desktop, for well many  years to come it seems, unless Canonical mess it up enoughMay 04 16:22
sebsebseband no Unity doesn't quite seem to be a big enough mess up yet hmmMay 04 16:22
sebsebsebwell maybe 11.10 then, when they completly remove Gnome 2May 04 16:22
sebsebseband go Unity with Gnome 3 under neathMay 04 16:23
GoForbes28so wait, unity is basically gnome?May 04 16:23
sebsebsebwith Gnome Shell as an option in the repos as wellMay 04 16:23
sebsebsebGoForbes28: noMay 04 16:23
sebsebsebGoForbes28: Unity is an alternative interface for GnomeMay 04 16:23
GoForbes28ahMay 04 16:23
sebsebsebwith 11.04 it's Gnome 2, but starting with 11.10 it will be Gnome 3May 04 16:23
sebsebsebGoForbes28: if you ever tried older Gnome Shell's like that reallyMay 04 16:24
sebsebsebthe old Gnome Shell's go on top of Gnome 2May 04 16:24
GoForbes28sort of like if I swap the Window Manager in XFCE for openboxMay 04 16:24
GoForbes28It's still XFCEMay 04 16:24
sebsebsebGoForbes28: well yeah I guessMay 04 16:24
sebsebsebanyway I was like to myself earlier as a kind of joke,  well ok you missed Ask Mark, don't cry,  your going to be contributing to another distro properly anyway :)May 04 16:25
GoForbes28diablo-d3: http://www.debian.org/security/faq#testingMay 04 16:26
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GoForbes28diablo-d3: would you recommend this?May 04 16:26
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sebsebsebGoForbes28: as for Goblin he thinks that Arch Linux distro or whatever Calabra or whatever it's called.  may become really  popular, uh I don't think so some how.May 04 16:26
sebsebsebDiablo-D3: ^May 04 16:26
sebsebsebgnufreex: ^May 04 16:27
GoForbes28daiblo-d3: Specifically adding the line deb http://security.debian.org <codename>/updates main to sources?May 04 16:27
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sebsebsebGoForbes28: Diablo-D3 gnufreex  MinceR  oh and people can say what they want about Mandriva not being that good anymore or whatever, but that's actsually an advantage for Mageia to be based on a distro, that  from like 1998 to 2004, was very popular indeedMay 04 16:27
sebsebsebMandrake Mandriva whateverMay 04 16:27
GoForbes28http://toastytech.com/guis/mdrv.htmlMay 04 16:28
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Diablo-D3GoForbes28: /me shrugsMay 04 16:28
sebsebsebalso unlike Mandriva, it seems that yes Mageia is gonig to get a chance now, to become pretty popularMay 04 16:28
GoForbes28Diablo-D3 you have done this?May 04 16:29
sebsebsebas for Mandriva, I think it's messed up even more really, only one release per year now, and it's yep a KDE distro really now.  Gnome is only being done by the community now, and I guess XFCE as well,  Not even sure if Mandriva has LXDE for example.May 04 16:29
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: I use sid.May 04 16:29
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GoForbes28rightMay 04 16:29
Diablo-D3sid doesnt have an updates or security repoMay 04 16:29
GoForbes28Sid is updatesMay 04 16:30
GoForbes28Diablo-D3 Why are the security repos not enable by default?May 04 16:30
Diablo-D3dunnoMay 04 16:30
GoForbes28Diablo-D3 If I were to have stable or testing, I would most definitely assume that I would get security updates by defaultMay 04 16:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] On way home....May 04 16:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] The killing of Osama bin Laden: how the White House changed its story http://ur1.ca/42xe8May 04 16:31
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sebsebsebI guess Mandriva is doing something like Canonical,  in the case of Mandriva going with KDE,  leaving the other desktop envrionments to the community.  In the case of Canonical going with Unity on top of Gnome, leaving the other desktop envrionments mainly to the communnity. I say mainly since Kubuntu apparnatly has like two Canoncal devs as well.May 04 16:31
sebsebsebfor exampleMay 04 16:31
sebsebseboh yeah now I remember what I wanted to ask Mark,  why they haven't accepted Lubuntu as an offical dervarative yetMay 04 16:31
sebsebsebyep the LXDE versionMay 04 16:31
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GoForbes28I have said it before and I'll say it againMay 04 16:32
GoForbes28LXDE is very much a joke, an XFCE knockoffMay 04 16:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] !Emacs outline mode was written by a murderer: "M-x hide-body"May 04 16:32
sebsebsebalso it sucks really, that  average users, can't just like communicate with Mark here and there some times, or a few us or whatever.  it seems only really Canonical employees, and sometimes Ubuntu Commmunity Members can do that.   I guess that's just a side effect of a really popular distro though, but still.May 04 16:32
GoForbes28Now that I have that out of the way :PMay 04 16:33
sebsebsebat least with Mageia for now anyway, many of the developers/founders are still on IRC :)  and something tells me, that they will be for a long time yet around on there so :)May 04 16:33
sebsebseband of course on the forum, and mailing list as wellMay 04 16:33
sebsebsebfourm mailing listsMay 04 16:33
sebsebseband PC Linux OS is bad for this kind of thing as well, but at least Texstar hangs out on the forum where yep average people can have contact :)May 04 16:34
sebsebsebGoForbes28: I am not that keen on LXDE really, but  try Lubuntu  for example, it's quite nice really I guessMay 04 16:34
sebsebsebaltough Xubuntu seems to be a lot better by default now, than it used to beMay 04 16:35
GoForbes28Yes, Xubuntu has begun to remember what it isMay 04 16:35
sebsebseband XFCE in PC Linux OS is nice as well, and the LXDE is ok, for exampleMay 04 16:35
sebsebsebGoForbes28: meaning?May 04 16:35
GoForbes28Xubuntu went through a period of including a lot of bloat, GNOME and KDE components, etcMay 04 16:35
GoForbes28Which meant that it actually became bigger and slower than regular UbuntuMay 04 16:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The #Apache Software Foundation Subpoenaed to Produce Documents in #Oracle America vs. #Google - http://bit.ly/lBXfLX getting messyMay 04 16:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @clacke It Mono devs were behaving like Wine devs (advocate only to switchers) nobody would would be pissed at them.May 04 16:36
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GoForbes28They've done a 180 and have gone back the their rootsMay 04 16:36
GoForbes28no Mono, for exampleMay 04 16:36
GoForbes28more XFCE and GTK appsMay 04 16:36
sebsebsebwhat yiou mean a 180?May 04 16:36
GoForbes28Away from being bloatedMay 04 16:36
*amarsh04 wonders if "raspberry berets" is an appropriate name for the company formerly known as blackwaterMay 04 16:37
sebsebsebeven Kubuntu for what I saw of trying 11.04 beta 2 and such, I don't know something about Kubuntu, that seems quite a bit as well  some howMay 04 16:37
sebsebsebthan it used to beMay 04 16:37
sebsebsebor maybe that's just mainly, because of upsteram.  I mean Kubuntu stays very close to upstream KDEMay 04 16:37
GoForbes28amarch04: Blackwater is actually the term used for sewage on a caravan/trailerMay 04 16:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @clacke But instead, it is oposite. Mono devs fight agains other FOSS languages and dont attack .NET userbase at all. They fight for MSFT.May 04 16:37
sebsebsebamarsh04: not even heard of that companyMay 04 16:37
amarsh04blackwater... the military contracting company used in iraq by the .usMay 04 16:38
sebsebsebohMay 04 16:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @stav !onthisdate in 1978, the first unsolicited bulk commercial e-mail (AKA !spam) was sent by a DEC marketing representative to an ...May 04 16:39
amarsh04funnily enough in Australia the term greywater for water suitable for watering plants and flushing toilets but not for drinking is common, but sewage pipes in building are labeled "soil" or "sewer" and the stuff flowing in them is usually called sewageMay 04 16:40
GoForbes28amarsh04: Trailers use the term greywater tooMay 04 16:40
GoForbes28The indicator for how full the sewage tank is is labeled blackMay 04 16:41
GoForbes28Maybe I should call the Harper Government Blackwater from now onMay 04 16:41
GoForbes28 :D May 04 16:42
GoForbes28diablo-d3: For "deb http://security.debian.org <codename>/updates main", would codename be testing or wheezy?May 04 16:44
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amarsh04GoForbes28 I have: May 04 16:45
amarsh04deb http://security.debian.org/ stable/updates mainMay 04 16:45
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amarsh04deb http://security.debian.org/ testing/updates mainMay 04 16:45
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GoForbes28goodMay 04 16:45
GoForbes28so it isn't dependent of the code name of the dayMay 04 16:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Quick and Dirty #VPN With #sshuttle — ServerWatch.com http://ping.fm/FA8fdMay 04 16:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 4.5 Years After the Microsoft/Novell Patent Deal http://is.gd/zIiWW4 #swpats #novell #mono #microsoft #cptn #gnu #linuxMay 04 16:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] 4.5 Years After the Microsoft/Novell Patent Deal http://is.gd/zIiWW4 #distortion #cartelMay 04 16:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Microsoft’s Elop is Like Rick Belluzzo – Hijacks Nokia, Sells to Microsoft, Then Exits http://is.gd/b4fOrI #microsoft #entryism #corruptionMay 04 16:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft’s Elop is Like Rick Belluzzo – Hijacks #Nokia, Sells to Microsoft, Then Exits http://is.gd/b4fOrI #elop #nokia #sgi #moleMay 04 16:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Disney Claims It's #Copyright Infringement For Dish To Offer Starz To Non-Premium Subscribers - http://bit.ly/lHvZl6 well, of courseMay 04 16:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The Post Penguicon !Unity Unification Story • by Shawn Powers http://ping.fm/LcZdcMay 04 16:46
amarsh04so security is for current stable and current testing (maybe also oldstable but I don't know)May 04 16:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Outlaw Minors. ROFL !outlawminersMay 04 16:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "It is not clear if Miguel has been sentenced to Nuremburg, but pulling apart his team like that must miff him somewhat" http://is.gd/9IMRfpMay 04 16:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Interview with Linus Torvalds http://ping.fm/qpOArMay 04 16:47
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amarsh04back in a fewMay 04 16:48
GoForbes28think we could get Linus Tovalds on Techbytes?May 04 16:48
schestowitzhe rarely does audioMay 04 16:48
schestowitzhe did floss weekly in a hotel roomMay 04 16:48
amarsh04might need to happen at a linux.conf.auMay 04 16:48
amarsh04he's more relaxed at those eventsMay 04 16:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Linux.com via LWN: The Tor Project Forks !Firefox http://ping.fm/L3bBuMay 04 16:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Handcrafting political discourse - http://bit.ly/luR3dX "the way online participation is making a mark on offline" (v @alicebell @BoraZ)May 04 16:49
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sebsebsebSo what distro you lot on at the moment and why?May 04 16:50
sebsebsebuh no Diablo-D3 Windows isn't a distro :DMay 04 16:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] The Document Foundation has been accepted as non-profit at Flattr: http://flattr.com/profile/tdf !libo !tdfMay 04 16:51
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sebsebseblet's ask whoever this koolhead17 person is as well, what distro you on?May 04 16:51
sebsebsebMinceR: gnufreex GoForbes28 ^May 04 16:52
MinceRstill the sameMay 04 16:54
GoForbes28Windows 7 :(May 04 16:54
sebsebsebMinceR: Kubuntu 9.10?  Even though now it's ran out of supportMay 04 16:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] techhamlet: How To Install !Gnome 3 on !Ubuntu 11.04 http://ping.fm/lmJJOMay 04 16:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @clacke And that is why people (me included) are happy that mono guys are fired: mono evang. is not going to be profesionall job anymore.May 04 16:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz It sounds as though you need reform as well.May 04 16:54
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GoForbes28I will be switching to Debian Testing in a few daysMay 04 16:54
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GoForbes28sebsebseb: So for now, you can say that I'm using Debian Testing.  After all I'm actually testing it right nwoMay 04 16:56
schestowitzmayb amarsh can talk to himMay 04 16:57
schestowitzlinus knows us...May 04 16:57
MinceRsebsebseb: yes, on some of the machinesMay 04 16:58
sebsebsebMinceR: that ran out of support on April 29th, time to upgrade or switch disttro really, unless your using offline I guessMay 04 16:58
MinceRwe've discussed this a few times already :>May 04 16:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] When Bishan-TP/Holland-BT/Aljunied/MarineP GRCs are won by SPP/SDP/WP/NSP & LHL wins AMK narrowly, will he be a man & resign? #sgelectionMay 04 16:59
sebsebsebMinceR: maybe wait untill JUne 1st, and switch them to Mageia 1 with KDE :DMay 04 17:00
GoForbes28schestowitz: He doesn't consider us the "sanctimonious dick-head"-type does he?May 04 17:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] More Facebook scams - you are generally safe if you aren't running #Windows. Run Mac #OSX or #Linux if you surf the net.May 04 17:01
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sebsebsebschestowitz: I may have a microphone/headset quite soon.  so I might talk about distro's and such on Techbytes before June 1st, not sure yetMay 04 17:01
schestowitzGoForbes28: I got new links for the post we co-editMay 04 17:01
schestowitzsebsebseb: nice!May 04 17:02
GoForbes28schestowitz: The "Windows against actvists" one?May 04 17:02
sebsebsebschestowitz: I could buy my own, but someone has a spear he can send me, should I accept?  talked about that more than once with them. so I guess may as well accept really?May 04 17:02
schestowitzTim and I might also figure out how to do both video and audio at the same go (recording to both in high qualify), even with guests on (With or without cam)May 04 17:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] @goforbes28 Don't think they make breath right nasal strips for Beagles.May 04 17:02
schestowitzGoForbes28: jaMay 04 17:02
sebsebsebschestowitz: any microphone works with Skype or?May 04 17:03
GoForbes28yesMay 04 17:03
sebsebsebschestowitz: don't need something special for Skype really?May 04 17:03
GoForbes28any microphoneMay 04 17:03
schestowitzRusty may become a regular with usMay 04 17:03
GoForbes28I though we weren't using Skype anymore Roy...May 04 17:03
sebsebsebschestowitz: uhmm I am hoping Kevie will become a regular :)May 04 17:03
schestowitzHere is his latest new episode: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOlabTjES9gMay 04 17:03
sebsebsebschestowitz: I mean if he is up for it, instead of starting his own audio castMay 04 17:03
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sebsebsebschestowitz: That way would have two Scottish people on it as well :DMay 04 17:04
sebsebsebschestowitz: well if Gordon staysMay 04 17:04
sebsebsebschestowitz: When's the Jono episode going up later today?  I mean you haven't even recorded the proper episode for that yet I assume?May 04 17:04
schestowitzThe current attempts are too crude. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uLV9dBCQzvw we'll retry FridayMay 04 17:04
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schestowitzcompression causes lagMay 04 17:05
schestowitzlike MINUTEs of audio-video lag, far too distractingMay 04 17:05
schestowitzsebsebseb: FriMay 04 17:05
koolhead17hi allMay 04 17:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz Our barely more than ½ voter turnout is a sign. Like when a baby cries and no one comes, they know no one is listening. !cdnpoliMay 04 17:06
sebsebsebschestowitz: Friday ah?  well my dents are a bit wrong then http://identi.ca/Techbytes oh well at least I tried to hype it up early, no one replied thoughMay 04 17:06
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sebsebsebschestowitz: uh I mean http://identi.ca/group/techbytesMay 04 17:06
schestowitzGoForbes28: someone mailed me links for this postMay 04 17:06
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schestowitz> http://www.neowin.net/news/the-nsa-wants-you-to-drop-windows-xpMay 04 17:06
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schestowitz> http://www.schneier.com/essay-198.htmlMay 04 17:06
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schestowitz> http://www.tomshardware.com/news/microsoft-windows-7-nsa-backdoor,9130.htmlMay 04 17:06
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sebsebsebschestowitz: Why Friday,  Tim can't record a proper episode before then?May 04 17:06
sebsebsebkoolhead17: helloMay 04 17:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz One thing I like about the American system is term limits.May 04 17:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] *whistles* Our journey....May 04 17:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !RedHat CEO Whitehurst: Don’t Be Tricked into Cloud-based Lock-in - CIO Central - CIO Network - Forbes http://ping.fm/aJn8BMay 04 17:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Awesome! at 55:40, you see the plug computers that are part of the data grid running JBoss! http://www.ustream.tv/recorded/14457992May 04 17:09
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schestowitzhttp://all-things-linux.blogspot.com/2011/05/mageia-1-beta-2-almost-ready-for-big.htmlMay 04 17:10
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schestowitzsebsebseb: he can'tMay 04 17:10
schestowitzOur overhead is always TimMay 04 17:10
schestowitzOr his wife :-)May 04 17:10
sebsebsebDur overhead???May 04 17:10
schestowitzthe cause for pace not being as high as feasibleMay 04 17:11
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schestowitz*as would be otherwise feasibleMay 04 17:11
sebsebsebschestowitz: Link Mageia stuff such as the above to the group :)May 04 17:11
sebsebseboh more UK people then :D  don't know who barnieg is though yetMay 04 17:12
olorin_Not me at least.May 04 17:12
barniegafternoonMay 04 17:12
barnieghttp://tubblog.wordpress.com/2010/03/07/cloud-computing-%E2%80%93-good-for-clients-bad-for-it-companies/May 04 17:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Hackers revive #PS3 #OtherOS feature http://ping.fm/IrJR0May 04 17:12
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barniegThat link is explains better (along with the comments) the thought processes of the typical microsoft resellerMay 04 17:13
barniegand why the big push to the cloudMay 04 17:13
barniegIts like looking in on a parallel universeMay 04 17:13
sebsebsebschestowitz: yep message the !Mageia group with that link :)May 04 17:13
sebsebsebschestowitz: I could, but well it's your link reallyMay 04 17:14
olorin_sebsebseb: Don't be shy.May 04 17:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 136 million downloads on 2011-05-04 16:12 UTCMay 04 17:14
olorin_barnieg: They're scared shitless.May 04 17:15
barniegsebsebseb: http://identi.ca/bgiltrapMay 04 17:15
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sebsebsebbarnieg: http://identi.ca/sebsebsebMay 04 17:15
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sebsebsebbarnieg: http://identi.ca/group/mageia :)May 04 17:15
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olorin_sebsebseb: Tell me, I know this half brit/swede who sort of agreed to work on some IRC guidelines for Mageia earlier this week...May 04 17:16
barniegolorin: they are worried that microsoft cloud computing will cut out the big margins they earn to fix sharepoint & sbs :)May 04 17:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Just send out my first ever mic test. Used a clip from the !LO I'm just editing. Seemed to have done the trick.May 04 17:16
sebsebsebolorin_: ah yesMay 04 17:16
koolhead17btw i came to know MSFT telling IT companies here to replace blackberry with there nokia + w8 mobile in coming timeMay 04 17:17
sebsebsebolorin_: however doing that here maybe not quite the best idea, maybe should do it in what will become the Mageia support channel or pm or something?May 04 17:17
olorin_barnieg: Of course. They will scream and resist as long as they can before realizing otherwise.May 04 17:17
olorin_sebsebseb: Of course.May 04 17:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @clacke It is very connected. De Icaza sets the tone, and then fanboys sing. Without paid pros, fanboys are like headless chicken.May 04 17:17
*sebsebseb waits for schestowitz to dent the !Mageia group with that link :)May 04 17:18
sebsebsebolorin_: anyway where you wnat to do it?May 04 17:18
olorin_sebsebseb: The Norwegian channel works...May 04 17:18
sebsebsebolorin_: UK works as wellMay 04 17:18
olorin_sebsebseb: Your choice.May 04 17:19
sebsebsebUK,  dev maybe, or MageiaMay 04 17:19
barniegkoolhead17: blackberry are there own worst enemy I had to jump through all sorts of problems to get them working with email & calendarMay 04 17:19
MinceRthey'll kill themselves soon :>May 04 17:20
koolhead17heh :PMay 04 17:20
gnufreexschestowitz: Just had a thought... with Mono devs fired, Monomaniacs are like Al Quaeda without Bin Laden. May 04 17:20
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/72658119 http://identi.ca/notice/72658786May 04 17:20
TechrightsBot-tr@Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clacke)'s status on Wednesday, 04-May-11 15:54:10 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Wow. Nice drive-by shooting there, #Microsoft. Will be interesting to see what happens to #RIM.May 04 17:20
TechrightsBot-tr@Claes Wallin (韋嘉誠) (clacke)'s status on Wednesday, 04-May-11 16:03:41 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Action against #Microsoft would be ... interesting. Is that really probable?May 04 17:20
sebsebsebolorin_: let's do it in UK, unless you want feedback from other people?May 04 17:20
olorin_MinceR: Not likely when they have QNX on their hands.May 04 17:20
olorin_sebsebseb: Ok.May 04 17:20
MinceRolorin_: they'll replace it with kin7 :>May 04 17:20
gnufreexIn fact, they are in even worse state than Al Qaeda. May 04 17:21
MinceRrim is mokia all over againMay 04 17:21
olorin_MinceR: kin7?May 04 17:21
schestowitzAction against Microsoft{tm} or the NewMicrosoft{tm}? I like Microsoft{tm} a bit better. it was also corrupt, but did not sue w/ #swpatsMay 04 17:21
MinceRolorin_: winblows phone 7May 04 17:21
olorin_MinceR: Oh god, no.May 04 17:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Help? I'm having trouble figuring out where to change the settings in !LibreOffice writer from cm to inches !docufoundation !silverMay 04 17:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @clacke Action against Microsoft{tm} or the NewMicrosoft{tm}? I like Microsoft a bit better. it was also corrupt, but did not sue w/ #swpatsMay 04 17:22
schestowitz[17:20] <gnufreex> schestowitz: Just had a thought... with Mono devs fired, Monomaniacs are like Al Quaeda without Bin Laden. May 04 17:23
schestowitz /bin/mono/May 04 17:23
barniegI got burnt by QNX before when they had it "free"May 04 17:23
schestowitzsudo su -May 04 17:23
schestowitz# chmod +x /bin/mono/May 04 17:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] We r happy to support our Japan colleagues! Linus to headline LinuxCon Japan. LF donating funds to relief efforts. http://bit.ly/iAzMp3May 04 17:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Mageia 1 Beta 2 - Almost Ready for the Big Day http://is.gd/WRfxhA #mandriva #gnu #linux #franceMay 04 17:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @seeds my !linux #aspect in !diaspora is growing man.May 04 17:24
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schestowitzRIM: "ballmer save us!!{!111"May 04 17:24
schestowitz[like you did Corel, Novell, Nokia...]May 04 17:24
sebsebsebschestowitz: ok good sent to the group :)May 04 17:25
schestowitz:-)May 04 17:25
schestowitzhthMay 04 17:25
GoForbes28what group?  I ever love groups!  Do tell!May 04 17:28
schestowitzgroupiesMay 04 17:28
schestowitzWe're undergroundMay 04 17:28
GoForbes28lolMay 04 17:28
schestowitzScheming stuffMay 04 17:28
schestowitzLike the freemasonsMay 04 17:28
schestowitzLobbying for the sugar industry. MMMWAHAHAMay 04 17:29
GoForbes28I believe my grandfather belonged to lodge affiliated with the freemasonsMay 04 17:29
schestowitzOMGMay 04 17:29
GoForbes28<.<May 04 17:29
GoForbes28>.>May 04 17:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[techbytes/@techbytes] .@jwildeboer will you be interested in joining us for an episode of !techbytes ? @openbytes and @schestowitz want to return to guest shows.May 04 17:29
schestowitzDon't tell EnderMay 04 17:29
GoForbes28You're rightMay 04 17:29
schestowitzGoForbes28: you too are part of "the conspiracy"May 04 17:29
GoForbes28he'll call me a *super* communist :PMay 04 17:29
schestowitzconspiracy -  Con PIRACYMay 04 17:30
schestowitzForbesMay 04 17:30
schestowitzLike the magazineMay 04 17:30
schestowitzGate keeperMay 04 17:30
schestowitzFreemason!!! :-)May 04 17:30
schestowitzOMG, ConspiracygasmMay 04 17:30
GoForbes28I'm probably wrong thoughMay 04 17:30
GoForbes28I think I'm getting it confused with something else with Mason in itMay 04 17:30
GoForbes28or MaseMay 04 17:30
schestowitzI know someone called Paul MasonMay 04 17:30
schestowitzhe spends his whole life in the saunaMay 04 17:31
GoForbes28You too are in on the conspiracy!!May 04 17:31
schestowitzPissing off my matesMay 04 17:31
*GoForbes28 stuns Roy with taserMay 04 17:31
schestowitz <HaMay 04 17:31
MinceR"don't tase me, bro!"May 04 17:31
schestowitz!google taser student youtubeMay 04 17:31
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - YouTube - UF Student tasered at John Kerry Speech | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DiqAVvlyVbagMay 04 17:31
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - YouTube - UCLA Police Taser Student in Powell | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DAyvrqcxNIFsMay 04 17:31
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - YouTube - UCLA Student Tasered by Police in Library | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D5g7zlJx9u2EMay 04 17:31
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - YouTube - Student Tasered At Kerry Speech: Longer Version | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DsE76LQwT6qAMay 04 17:31
GoForbes28ahhh!May 04 17:32
*GoForbes28 jumps out window.May 04 17:32
schestowitzIt's hard to watch theseMay 04 17:32
schestowitzEsp. when they starts screamingMay 04 17:32
GoForbes28Owner of the lonely HEEARRTTT!May 04 17:32
GoForbes28yeahMay 04 17:32
GoForbes28pretty distrubingMay 04 17:32
schestowitzIt's like watching someone having a seizureMay 04 17:32
schestowitzNothing you can doMay 04 17:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Apache Software Foundation subpoenaed by Oracle http://lwn.net/Articles/441372/rssMay 04 17:32
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GoForbes28Tasers are safe my assMay 04 17:33
sebsebsebbarnieg: ok so you joined the Mageia group on Identica I notice :)May 04 17:33
sebsebsebbarnieg: what distro you currently on?May 04 17:33
barniegCurrently mainly Ubuntu with Debian in places May 04 17:33
barnieglooking at changes particularly business wiseMay 04 17:33
barniegI understand what Canonical are trying to do, however I'm not sure its best for me or my businessMay 04 17:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @stickster The RHEL "brain trust" (attendee's term!) did a fantastic job at our roadmap talk. Tuly humbling to work with such brillia ...May 04 17:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] I still have 9 invitations to #Diaspora left. my followers, hear me out! ;)May 04 17:34
GoForbes28anyone here actually use Diaspora?May 04 17:34
schestowitzSome people I know used to...May 04 17:35
schestowitzNot seen links to it in monthsMay 04 17:35
GoForbes28Since I never jumped on the Facebook-style social bandwagon, never seen the pointMay 04 17:35
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/clacke/status/65815288008028160May 04 17:35
TechrightsBot-tr@clacke: @schestowitz How do you distinguish action against {New,}Microsoft? And why'd #Attachmate bite hand that feeds it? Not that I would mind.May 04 17:35
schestowitzIt's a long answer that's needed here.May 04 17:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] out of coffee, time to head to store http://coffee.jezra.net/coffee/20110504 #sip_and_clickMay 04 17:36
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barniegI noticed Microsoft Jack has asked about Mono's future but still can't help the digs at fossMay 04 17:36
GoForbes28I guess when you maliciously rather than outright buy something out, you should realize that sometimes your control wanesMay 04 17:36
barniegFrom my point of view mono is a solution looking for a problemMay 04 17:37
GoForbes28I think calling it a solution at all is giving it too much creditMay 04 17:38
GoForbes28You know who else I would like to see on Techbytes?May 04 17:38
GoForbes28MeMay 04 17:38
GoForbes28Just kiddingMay 04 17:38
barniegto a lesser degree projects such as wine & reactos suffer from catchup ratther than just concentrating on legacy supportMay 04 17:38
GoForbes28I was actually thinking "LiberalViewer" from youtubeMay 04 17:38
GoForbes28branieg: Wine has been a billion times more productive than reactos thoughMay 04 17:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] How many members does TDF already have? http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/steering-discuss/msg00933.html !libo !tdfMay 04 17:39
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GoForbes28barnieg: Wine doesn't have to reinvent the entire wheelMay 04 17:39
barniegGoForbes: agreed, but I want a wine that will let my customers run the old software they have so they they can move to linux elsewhere rather than if it will run the latest direct x 10 gameMay 04 17:40
barniegGoForbes28: agreedMay 04 17:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Linux skills: A hot commodity for job hunters http://is.gd/IF8m4u increasingly true these days. Companies even retrain their Windows people.May 04 17:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] At #Novell - people who did #Linux (SUSE) stayed, those who did .NET went the way of the #dodoMay 04 17:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @jgbarah @paulocoelho on sharing, "pirates" and all that http://ur1.ca/42tzd (via @rms) A writer who understands...May 04 17:41
GoForbes28barnieg: People like to think that ReactOS will "do to Windows what (GNU)Linux did to Unix".May 04 17:41
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sebsebsebbarnieg: ok well Mageia could become the next pretty popular distro, since it wil lbe  a new distro, and how its based on Mandriva which used to be very popular, and how it's 100% community and all thatMay 04 17:41
GoForbes28The problem is, is that Unix had a huge market of derivatives compared to Windows, which was, well just WindowsMay 04 17:41
sebsebsebbarnieg: if I was running servers for a business, right now, I think I would go Debian,  or uhmm  maybe CentOS, except many people are using Scientific Linux insteadMay 04 17:42
sebsebsebnow it seemsMay 04 17:42
GoForbes28And in terms of documentation, unix was far more openMay 04 17:42
sebsebsebbarnieg: for Desktops,  I would look at Mageia and  possibily DebianMay 04 17:42
barniegIn some ways Reactos could do that if they worked on legacy more i.e here is our new Linux setup with reactos vms so you dont need os license fees for your old softwareMay 04 17:42
sebsebsebbarnieg: first stable of Mageia is June 1st probably, it will be very similar to Mandriva 2011, then they will start doing their own thing moreMay 04 17:42
sebsebsebolorin_ what would you suggest for a business by the way? ^May 04 17:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "From my point of view mono is a solution looking for a problem" ~barniegMay 04 17:42
GoForbes28And I disagree with the ReactOS team that Windows NT isn't naturally a flawed dsignMay 04 17:42
barniegsebsebseb: Debian is probably the way I will go maybe with a more upto kernel and a few other appsMay 04 17:42
schestowitz[17:38] <GoForbes28> I was actually thinking "LiberalViewer" from youtubeMay 04 17:43
schestowitzhe's awesomeMay 04 17:43
sebsebsebbarnieg: ReactOS has been around for years, but is very early alpha, so you can't really give that to business, and for that matter it can hardly be given to any home users really right now either, to replace WindowsMay 04 17:43
sebsebsebbarnieg: they have  a lack of developers so development is slowMay 04 17:43
GoForbes28schestowitz: Though he seems to think that "Waiting for Superman" was a great documentary...May 04 17:43
sebsebsebbarnieg: ok well good to keep an eye on Mageia as well :)May 04 17:43
barniegsebsebseb: not at the moment noMay 04 17:43
schestowitzHAHAMay 04 17:43
schestowitzGoForbes28: it was Gates-fudned propagandaMay 04 17:43
schestowitzGates is not "superman"May 04 17:44
GoForbes28I think I PM'ed him about it onceMay 04 17:44
schestowitz!google techrights "Waiting for Superman"May 04 17:44
GoForbes28didn't get a responseMay 04 17:44
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Education Scandal Leaves Melinda Gates Out of the Washington Post ... | http://techrights.org/2011/01/07/washington-post-without-gates/May 04 17:44
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Controlling Software, Controlling Minds, Controlling Nations ... | http://techrights.org/2011/01/18/controlling-minds/May 04 17:44
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Bill Gates Takes Over Schooling Systems With Help From Oprah, NBC ... | http://techrights.org/2010/10/24/lots-of-publicity-for-influence/May 04 17:44
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - 2010 September 24 | Techrights - Part 2 | http://techrights.org/2010/09/24/page/2/May 04 17:44
barniegI started out on RPM distros - firstly Redhat, followed by Mandrake & SuseMay 04 17:44
barniegGave up on Suse when it helped set back Linux & Open Source on a local project May 04 17:44
GoForbes28!google liberalviewer waiting for supermanMay 04 17:44
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - YouTube - Fox News "Waiting for Superman" Spin About Blaming ... | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D_bky0cXRj20May 04 17:44
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - YouTube - Waiting for Superman Teacher Tenure | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D6uTjM-2CjQkMay 04 17:44
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - YouTube - watch waiting for superman full part 1/15 movi | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D1bKzmGcgwBkMay 04 17:44
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Waiting for Superman Sparks Education Reform - Worldnews.com | http://article.wn.com/view/2011/03/27/Waiting_for_Superman_Sparks_Education_Reform/May 04 17:44
schestowitzDisgustingMay 04 17:45
schestowitzUsing propaganda filmsMay 04 17:45
GoForbes28It's incredibleMay 04 17:45
schestowitzI remember when other did this...May 04 17:45
schestowitzOMGMay 04 17:45
barniegThe previous company I was in used Slackware...May 04 17:45
*hbons has quit (Quit: Leaving.)May 04 17:45
schestowitzThe edu system us brokenMay 04 17:45
schestowitzLet Gates fix itMay 04 17:45
schestowitzAnd own itMay 04 17:45
schestowitza $500bn/year systemMay 04 17:45
GoForbes28Fox News spin on Waiting for SupermanMay 04 17:45
schestowitz"Gates knows how to manage money" :-DMay 04 17:45
GoForbes28like a negative feedback loopMay 04 17:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "I noticed Microsoft Jack has asked about Mono's future but still can't help the digs at foss" ~barnieg about Jack SCOFreundMay 04 17:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] A #SPA também despreza o @paulocoelho da mesma forma que o Tolstoi? http://ur1.ca/42tzdMay 04 17:46
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Who stole my story? «  Paulo Coelho's Blog .::. Size~: 163.8 KBMay 04 17:46
schestowitzLet him run out schools, he knows how to destroy rivals, so..May 04 17:46
sebsebsebbarnieg: also yeah I like loads of distro's really, but I wanted to do something more proper for a distro,  I mean more than just IRC support and such, so I decided to get invovled with Mageia on the community side :)May 04 17:46
sebsebsebbarnieg: try and set up some sort of UK users community, and that kind of thingMay 04 17:46
barniegGates is doing it with the European parliment - I see your problems and I know how to fix itMay 04 17:46
schestowitzyesMay 04 17:46
schestowitzI think you commented in a MEP's blogMay 04 17:46
GoForbes28And going to private schools all his life, he definitely has the interest of the public system in his heartMay 04 17:47
schestowitz"OMG! I shook hands with $FamousCrook, I feel so entitled now"May 04 17:47
schestowitzGoForbes28: his kids tooMay 04 17:47
schestowitzAnd Arne Duncan'sMay 04 17:47
barnieg schestowitz: yes, I think that MEP is probably worth speaking to, just think she was unaware of the other side of the storyMay 04 17:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @dbd RT @graziano !dbd action idea: tag #DRM crippled items on #Amazon with defectivebydesign !gnulinuxlibre share, blog, act now!May 04 17:47
schestowitzbarnieg: many of them just want to be releectedMay 04 17:48
GoForbes28Kinda like fake Linux "boosters" sans Microsoft PR people,no?May 04 17:48
schestowitzSo that they don't need to do a real jobMay 04 17:48
schestowitzSo they suck up to moneyMay 04 17:48
schestowitzAnd Gates is itMay 04 17:48
schestowitzMoney for people who increase his powerMay 04 17:48
schestowitzThey destory scientists who don't comply with his line of resarchMay 04 17:48
schestowitzCrushing competitionMay 04 17:48
schestowitzhttp://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/16/science/16malaria.htmlMay 04 17:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Gates Foundation’s Influence Criticized - New York Times .::. Size~: 68.9 KBMay 04 17:49
GoForbes28Funding research to spill chemical in the atmosphere to "counteract" global warmingMay 04 17:49
schestowitzLOLMay 04 17:49
schestowitzWith patentsMay 04 17:49
schestowitzGuess whose?May 04 17:49
GoForbes28If basic chemestry has taught me anythingMay 04 17:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @dbd RT @graziano !dbd action idea: tag #DRM crippled items on #Amazon with defectivebydesign !gnulinuxlibre share, blog, act now!May 04 17:49
schestowitzNathan and BillyGMay 04 17:49
GoForbes28It is when you have screwed up an experimentMay 04 17:49
GoForbes28you don't keep adding things to make it rightMay 04 17:49
schestowitz"Oops!"May 04 17:49
GoForbes28because you just mess it up even furtherMay 04 17:50
schestowitz!google gates vaccination india girlsMay 04 17:50
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - India: Deaths of tribal girls in Gates Foundation-funded HPV ... | http://www.global-sisterhood-network.org/content/view/2423/59/May 04 17:50
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - India: Melinda & Bill Gates funded-Cervical Cancer Vaccine trials ... | http://www.global-sisterhood-network.org/content/view/2433/59/May 04 17:50
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Gates Keepers :: Messy philanthropy on the part of the Gates ... | http://gateskeepers.civiblog.org/blog/_archives/2011/4/25/4803068.htmlMay 04 17:50
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Drug regulator cover on vaccine study aim - The Telegraph ... | http://www.telegraphindia.com/1110228/jsp/nation/story_13646373.jspMay 04 17:50
GoForbes28!google Bill Gates research global warmingMay 04 17:50
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - YouTube - GLOBAL WARMING, EUGENICS, AND BILL GATES | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DPVJSrvVVvxMMay 04 17:50
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Can whiter clouds reduce global warming? - USATODAY.com | http://www.usatoday.com/weather/research/2010-06-10-cloud-whitening_N.htmMay 04 17:50
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Report: Bill Gates funds climate, energy research | Green Tech ... | http://news.cnet.com/8301-11128_3-10442865-54.htmlMay 04 17:50
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Bill Gates: U.S. Must Expand Energy Research - Washington Wire - WSJ | http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/06/09/bill-gates-us-must-expand-energy-research/May 04 17:50
GoForbes28!google Bill Gates research global warming indiaMay 04 17:50
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Bill Gates: U.S. Must Expand Energy Research - Washington Wire - WSJ | http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2010/06/09/bill-gates-us-must-expand-energy-research/May 04 17:50
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Mitigation – State of the Planet | http://blogs.ei.columbia.edu/tag/mitigation/May 04 17:50
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Bill Gates' Unique Green Plan for India « Do U Speak Green? | http://fusionclothing.wordpress.com/2011/01/29/bill-gates-unique-green-plan-for-india/May 04 17:50
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Annual Letter from Bill Gates silent on climate change « Climate ... | http://climateprogress.org/2011/03/01/annual-letter-bill-gates-climate-change/May 04 17:50
schestowitzResearch=patentsMay 04 17:50
schestowitzMonopoly euphemismMay 04 17:50
schestowitz"Let me help you solve your problems"May 04 17:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] @clacke I think he is blinded by love for MSFT. And I saw him heckling more times I care to remember. Other Novellers are not diff. eitherMay 04 17:51
schestowitz"Nathan and I have these nuclear patents we can sell you"May 04 17:51
GoForbes28!google peter gabriel gates foundationMay 04 17:51
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - YouTube - Peter Singer: TEDxChange @ TEDxDelhi | Bill & Melinda ... | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DgzZBMJu61mwMay 04 17:51
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - THE EDGE DINNER — 2009 | http://www.edge.org/documents/dinner2009/dinner09_index.htmlMay 04 17:51
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - THE EDGE BILLIONAIRES' DINNER | http://www.edge.org/documents/dinners/dinner_index.htmlMay 04 17:51
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Bill Gates : Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation - Davos 2011 on World ... | http://www.livestream.com/worldeconomicforum02/video%3FclipId%3Dpla_2c978eae-ad29-464e-a344-49c8a50bd49dMay 04 17:51
schestowitz!google Pinky and the brainMay 04 17:51
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Pinky and the Brain - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinky_and_the_BrainMay 04 17:51
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - YouTube - Pinky and The Brain Intro | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DiJPFSNu_QNsMay 04 17:51
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - "Pinky and the Brain" (1995) - Memorable quotes | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0112123/quotesMay 04 17:51
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Pinky and the Brain - Wikiquote | http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Pinky_and_the_BrainMay 04 17:51
GoForbes28I hope Peter Gabriel doesn't fall for this nonsenseMay 04 17:51
schestowitzI think Nathan is pinkyMay 04 17:51
schestowitzCause he's kind of chubbyMay 04 17:52
barniegschestowitz: Thats like our local MP made promises to http://www.credativ.co.uk & http://www.opusvl.com/May 04 17:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Open source consulting, training and support services in the UK | credativ: open source for business .::. Size~: 9.67 KBMay 04 17:52
TechrightsBot-tr@: May 04 17:52
GoForbes28who is Nathan?May 04 17:52
schestowitzbarnieg: that's the PR, right?May 04 17:52
barniegUK MP's get £6000 for a laptop & software!May 04 17:52
schestowitzThey probably don't even write itMay 04 17:52
MinceRGoForbes28: ex-m$, current patent trollMay 04 17:52
schestowitzWon't pass muster or PR filter\May 04 17:52
schestowitzA friend's borther married this girl whose job is just to embellish people's CVsMay 04 17:53
barniegschestowitz: 2 open source companies in rugby along with my somewhat smaller busienssMay 04 17:53
schestowitzVERY necessary for politiciansMay 04 17:53
schestowitzThey filp-flops for special interests and then need to rename or hide itMay 04 17:53
schestowitzGoForbes28: May 04 17:53
schestowitz!google nathan patent trollMay 04 17:53
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Who's afraid of Nathan Myhrvold? - July 10, 2006 | http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/fortune_archive/2006/07/10/8380798/index.htmMay 04 17:53
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Intellectual Ventures, Nathan Myhrvold's Sleeping Patent Troll ... | http://blogs.seattleweekly.com/dailyweekly/2010/12/giant_patent_troll_awakens_as.phpMay 04 17:53
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - RPX IPO Helps Slay Patent Trolls - Nathan Vardi - The Jungle - Forbes | http://blogs.forbes.com/nathanvardi/2011/05/03/rpx-ipo-helps-slay-patent-trolls/May 04 17:53
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Bill Gates and Nathan Myhrvold Find New Ways to Extort the ... | http://techrights.org/2011/04/02/patent-trolls-vs-rim/May 04 17:53
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gnufreex<barnieg> schestowitz: 2 open source companies in rugby along with my somewhat smaller busienssMay 04 17:54
gnufreexHow you mean rugby companies? Making Rugby balls and jerseys? May 04 17:54
GoForbes28niceMay 04 17:54
schestowitzHeheMay 04 17:54
schestowitzLMOAMay 04 17:54
GoForbes28So Roy, if I sent a techbytes invite to LiberalViewer, would you mind?May 04 17:54
schestowitz*AOMay 04 17:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] !apache Software Foundation receives subpoena from #Oracle America http://ur1.ca/42xhh !eff !faif !android /via @bkuhnMay 04 17:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Apache Software Foundation Subpoenaed to Produce Documents in Oracle America vs. Google : The Apache Software Foundation Blog .::. Size~: 22.97 KBMay 04 17:54
schestowitzGoForbes28: niceMay 04 17:54
schestowitzYes, we cover copyrights\May 04 17:54
schestowitzTim's areaMay 04 17:54
barnieggnufreex: Rugby, England small town that apparently did invent the gameMay 04 17:54
gnufreexAh...May 04 17:54
schestowitzAnd I know he's a lawyer who was arguing with YouTube over the false DMCAsMay 04 17:55
GoForbes28ok, got his email, will send at high priorityMay 04 17:55
*gnufreex looks stupidMay 04 17:55
GoForbes28Can I say something like, "on behalf of the Techbytes community"?May 04 17:55
*gnufreex looks at the map of EnglandMay 04 17:55
schestowitzgnufreex: niceMay 04 17:55
schestowitzgnufreex: it's a small townMay 04 17:55
barniegNicer than Coventry where we used to liveMay 04 17:56
schestowitzbarnieg: http://wwww.networkworld.com/news/tech/2011/050311-linux-skills.htmlMay 04 17:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Linux skills: A hot commodity for job hunters .::. Size~: 128.55 KBMay 04 17:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] a generation of kids turning their backs on sport in favour of games consoles http://is.gd/AuMEwi hardly news #bleedingobviousMay 04 17:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BBC News - A generation of children 'turn their backs on sport' .::. Size~: 59.09 KBMay 04 17:59
GoForbes28what's Tim's last name?May 04 18:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "legalising he green fairy" sounds like a political campaign announced in Gotham City http://is.gd/dbZVte apparently it's about da boozeMay 04 18:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "legalising he green fairy" sounds like a political campaign announced in Gotham City http://is.gd/dbZVte apparently it's about le boozeMay 04 18:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BBC News - Absinthe in France: Legalising the 'green fairy' .::. Size~: 67.06 KBMay 04 18:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK .NET !Android and iOS clones stripped by Attachmate - Open source !Mono suffers layoffs - http://tinyurl.com/3ukl4yb !microsoftMay 04 18:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: .NET Android and iOS clones stripped by Attachmate • The Register .::. Size~: 25.25 KBMay 04 18:04
schestowitzGoForbes28: can't tellMay 04 18:06
barniegOne of the things the I remember thinking about Mono is that it was supposed to help Linux with more software (or so we were told) yet one of Miguels flagship examples of Mono  the Unity game platform still does not have a Linux versionMay 04 18:07
barniegthat speaks volumesMay 04 18:07
gnufreexschestowitz: What happened to RIM? You wrote "is rim next to die"? Is there Microsoft intrusion?May 04 18:07
barniegat the moment proper integration of blackberries requires an additional windows serverMay 04 18:08
gnufreexWas it always like that?May 04 18:09
gnufreexOr they dumped GNU/Linux or Mac?May 04 18:09
schestowitz[18:07] <barnieg> that speaks volumesMay 04 18:09
schestowitzand he still brags about itMay 04 18:09
schestowitz!google techrights mono unity icazaMay 04 18:10
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Mono - Techrights | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/MonoMay 04 18:10
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - With Novell's Intervention, MeeGo Now Poisoned by Mono | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/02/08/banshee-included-in-meego/May 04 18:10
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Canonical is Hiring Mono Developers, Losing COO | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2010/12/09/canonical-shakeup/May 04 18:10
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Linuxaria Mono, è un bene o un male per Linux ? | http://www.linuxaria.com/article/mono-linux-good-bad%3Flang%3DitMay 04 18:10
gnufreexWe should watch if Canonical hires Mono devsMay 04 18:10
gnufreexI meanMay 04 18:10
schestowitzgnufreex: you didn't hear?May 04 18:10
gnufreexNo?May 04 18:10
schestowitzThey bend over to SteveMay 04 18:10
gnufreexMSFT?May 04 18:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Interview with Linux Torvalds http://is.gd/PcghhP #linux #kernelMay 04 18:11
schestowitzWatch out for rim jobs... they might hire from Microsoft to management now, like in NokiaMay 04 18:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: LinuxFr.org .::. Size~: 40.95 KBMay 04 18:11
gnufreexWait, Mono devs went to MSFT?May 04 18:11
barniegI think Canonical wants to be a open source apple which is why Unity is so important - think Ubuntu on smartphones, tablets etcMay 04 18:11
schestowitzI don't read Microsoft news anymore, so I won't know if RIM hires from MicrosoftMay 04 18:11
schestowitzgnufreex: went?May 04 18:11
schestowitzYou say it like they were separate before :-)May 04 18:12
schestowitzMicrosoft paid NovellMay 04 18:12
gnufreexI knowMay 04 18:12
schestowitzNovell paid some people to do Microsoft's jobMay 04 18:12
gnufreexBut officiallyMay 04 18:12
gnufreexDid they go to Redmond?May 04 18:12
schestowitzbarnieg: I shudder at the thoughtMay 04 18:12
schestowitzgnufreex: let's wait and seeMay 04 18:13
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schestowitzI saw Cutler's blogMay 04 18:13
schestowitzHe "moves on"May 04 18:13
schestowitzHe only joined Novell in April 1st IIRCMay 04 18:13
schestowitzAnd he had done some tomboy stuffMay 04 18:13
gnufreexIt is ok if if Canonical hires some of them at minimal wage and gives them C++ jobMay 04 18:13
gnufreexBut it is bad if they give them C# jobMay 04 18:13
gnufreexOr worseMay 04 18:13
gnufreexA high spotMay 04 18:13
schestowitzhttp://www.paulcutler.org/blog/?p=1549May 04 18:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: On to greener pastures | Paul Cutler's Blog .::. Size~: 25.33 KBMay 04 18:13
gnufreexIn managementMay 04 18:13
schestowitzHehMay 04 18:14
barniegschestowitz: I just think thats the business model - its Ubuntu not Ubuntu Linux in the way that Apple dont promote "OS X with BSD core" :)May 04 18:14
Ender_nothome at minimal wageMay 04 18:14
Ender_nothomewhyMay 04 18:14
schestowitzImagine jono entering an argument with us over hiring MiguelMay 04 18:14
GoForbes28schestowitz: Where is a page giving your contact information?May 04 18:14
schestowitzEnder_nothome: right..May 04 18:14
MinceRimagine jono entering an argumentMay 04 18:14
MinceRlolMay 04 18:14
MinceRyou're killing usMay 04 18:14
schestowitzIf they make FOSS with C++, pay them wellMay 04 18:14
schestowitzThey are not bad developersMay 04 18:14
Ender_nothomeexactlyMay 04 18:15
schestowitzHeh. Maybe they'll redo Moon Lie with C++ :-pMay 04 18:15
GoForbes28If they make FOSS with C, pay them wellerMay 04 18:15
MinceRschestowitz: and call it Flash?May 04 18:15
schestowitz"Look. It's not spam, it's just "Cured meat""May 04 18:15
barniegBanshee is C# why didnt they stay with Rhythmbox?May 04 18:15
Ender_nothomeC++ is awesomeMay 04 18:15
MinceRthat it isMay 04 18:15
Ender_nothomeKDE devs should be paid wellMay 04 18:15
GoForbes28If they make FOSS with assembly, figure out the intrinsic motivationMay 04 18:15
schestowitzGoForbes28: schestowitz.com/contact IIRCMay 04 18:15
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/Address/May 04 18:16
GoForbes28schestowitz.com/contactMay 04 18:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @clacke extreme? It's a much more realistic scenario than #Apple tracking their clients location. Have an #iPhoney? Likely to be wealthy.May 04 18:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Addresses .::. Size~: 4.1 KBMay 04 18:16
GoForbes28I get an errorMay 04 18:16
schestowitzHmm... interestingMay 04 18:16
gnufreexschestowitz: I remember you talked to Canonical guy who previously worked at mono... he complained about saying he shouldn't be hired. But it turned they hired him to do C++ May 04 18:16
gnufreexThat is okMay 04 18:16
schestowitzMy server fixed lowercase/uppercaseMay 04 18:16
schestowitzMaybe they installed the apache speling [sic] extensionMay 04 18:16
GoForbes28nevermind, address workdsMay 04 18:16
GoForbes28but it doesn't have identi or twitterMay 04 18:16
GoForbes28or emailMay 04 18:17
schestowitzTrue, it's very oldMay 04 18:17
GoForbes28do we have something a little more contemporary?May 04 18:17
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/Feedback/May 04 18:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Feedback Submission .::. Size~: 4.63 KBMay 04 18:17
schestowitzAlso old (2002)May 04 18:17
schestowitzhttp://schestowitz.com/roy/May 04 18:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Roy Schestowitz .::. Size~: 1.23 KBMay 04 18:18
schestowitz2002 alsoMay 04 18:18
GoForbes28this isn't going well...May 04 18:18
GoForbes28How about you edit your wiki page to include all the information needed?May 04 18:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Philip Glass' 9th Symphony http://ur1.ca/42xw9May 04 18:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Hmmm..... Fresh bread is awesome.May 04 18:19
TechrightsBot-trNot a web page! Aborting image/jpeg typeMay 04 18:19
schestowitzGoForbes28: sure :-)May 04 18:21
schestowitzMaybe adding a page on how to be on the showMay 04 18:21
GoForbes28good ideaMay 04 18:21
schestowitzBadically Tim and I move back to old formatMay 04 18:21
schestowitzWherein we have a guest on most shows and different people tooMay 04 18:21
schestowitzKeeps us on topic that change tooMay 04 18:22
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GoForbes28No interviews?May 04 18:22
schestowitzYesMay 04 18:22
GoForbes28Ah, like Real Time with Bill MaherMay 04 18:22
schestowitzwith a person possessing knowledge in the subject matterMay 04 18:22
schestowitzlike RMS for FSMay 04 18:22
GoForbes28Or me for...May 04 18:22
schestowitzWe got too distracted after ep. 7 or thereaboutsMay 04 18:22
GoForbes28uh...May 04 18:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu: [How to] Run KDE Plasma Widgets in Ubuntu !Unity http://goo.gl/MtnUMMay 04 18:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Linux as Social Justice Symbol - I Think Not http://is.gd/1LH8C7 "Linux is about freedom - freedom to choose..."May 04 18:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Yay! !LO will be covering SambaXP next week in Göttingen. Just got a press pass. :)May 04 18:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: #UnityFox: Integrate #Firefox With !Ubuntu !Unity Launcher (Extension) http://goo.gl/DteaYMay 04 18:22
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GoForbes28the university perspectiveMay 04 18:23
schestowitzLaurel does publishingMay 04 18:23
GoForbes28yeah, that works L)May 04 18:23
GoForbes28:)May 04 18:23
schestowitzself publishing of sorts she can explainMay 04 18:23
schestowitzEnder_nothome will be back on a show, I thinkMay 04 18:23
GoForbes28she also uses TrisquelMay 04 18:23
GoForbes28Ender?  Hoo-boyMay 04 18:23
schestowitzI think Tim wants to ask him about the whole "conspiracy" thingMay 04 18:23
schestowitzGoForbes28: does she?May 04 18:23
GoForbes28yesMay 04 18:23
schestowitzHas she finally left Windows after publishing the book with proprietary fonts?May 04 18:24
GoForbes28I thought this was techbytes, no jerry springer...May 04 18:24
GoForbes28AFAIKMay 04 18:24
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schestowitzGoForbes28: yes, it wasn't my ideaMay 04 18:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Linux skills: A hot commodity for job hunters http://is.gd/IF8m4uMay 04 18:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bgiltrap/@bgiltrap] http://slidesha.re/iiOKqz Why Open Source in the Public Sector?May 04 18:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG Ubuntu: #UnityFox plugin for Firefox puts download Progress on the Unity Launcher http://goo.gl/uw5fUMay 04 18:24
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schestowitzAnd jerry springer is what Tim keeps saying, not meMay 04 18:24
schestowitzOMG!May 04 18:24
schestowitzProgress barMay 04 18:24
schestowitzUnityMay 04 18:24
schestowitzUbuntuMay 04 18:24
schestowitzMassive!May 04 18:25
GoForbes28screenshotMay 04 18:25
schestowitzLinux making huge strides on desktopMay 04 18:25
GoForbes28?May 04 18:25
GoForbes28Pun!May 04 18:25
schestowitzSounds like an afternoon projectMay 04 18:25
Ender_nothomeinterestingMay 04 18:25
barniegschestowitz: I think its easier to talk about Linux on the desktop because of all the cloud talk you see & hear these daysMay 04 18:25
GoForbes28!google big progress bar unity ubuntuMay 04 18:25
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Bug #741775 in unity: “Launcher icon progress-bar too big for a ... | https://launchpad.net/bugs/741775May 04 18:25
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Chromium Daily adds Unity progress bar and badge support | http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/chromium-daily-adds-unity-progress-bar/May 04 18:25
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Promote "Software Center Progress bar for installing Programs in ... | http://brainstorm.ubuntu.com/idea/27571/promote/May 04 18:25
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Ubuntu 11.04 (Natty Narwhal) Has Been Released « Che Dean's Weblog | http://chedean.com/2011/04/28/ubuntu-11-04-natty-narwhal-has-been-released/May 04 18:25
schestowitzbarnieg: all the "open source" companies rebrand as "cloud"May 04 18:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: Can apps and a refresh at I/O 2011 save #Google TV? http://goo.gl/q8rnVMay 04 18:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Wednesday's security updates http://lwn.net/Articles/441389/rssMay 04 18:26
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Androinica  » Can apps and a refresh at I/O 2011 save Google TV? .::. Size~: 48.86 KBMay 04 18:26
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GoForbes28!cloud computing stupidityMay 04 18:26
GoForbes28!google cloud computing stupidityMay 04 18:26
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Stallman: Cloud computing is 'stupidity' | Business Tech - CNET News | http://news.cnet.com/8301-1001_3-10054253-92.htmlMay 04 18:26
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Cloud Computing Is for Stupid People - Richard Stallman | Open ... | http://opensource.sys-con.com/node/692407May 04 18:26
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Stallman calls cloud computing stupid | http://www.businessinsider.com/2008/9/gnu-founder-richard-stallman-cloud-computing-worse-than-stupidity-May 04 18:26
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Why Stallman is wrong when he calls cloud computing stupid | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2008/09/why-stallman-is-wrong-when-he-calls-cloud-computing-stupid.arsMay 04 18:26
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schestowitzAnd 451 Group also starts moving into the whole "cloud" thing to stay relevant (=make money)May 04 18:26
schestowitz!google "fog computing"May 04 18:26
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Fog Computing | What a n00b! | http://whatan00b.com/fog-computingMay 04 18:26
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - deal architect : Larry Ellisons Fog Computing | http://dealarchitect.typepad.com/deal_architect/2009/09/larry-ellisons-fog-computing.htmlMay 04 18:26
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - SIOS Insider: When Cloud Computing Becomes Fog Computing; Seeing ... | http://steeleye.blogs.com/weblog/2008/11/when-cloud-computing-becomes-fog-computing-seeing-through-the-shroud.htmlMay 04 18:26
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Novell's Future in Fog Computing | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2010/05/26/cloud-computing-novell/May 04 18:26
GoForbes28!google fog computing surrendering your dataMay 04 18:27
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - The Ultimate Jailbreaker, Part 1 | http://www.technewsworld.com/rsstory/70679.htmlMay 04 18:27
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Google to sell subscriptions to Chrome OS notebooks? • The ... | http://m.forums.theregister.co.uk/forum/1/2011/04/21/chrome_os_subscription_fee_rumor/May 04 18:27
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Rome: Total War Cheats, Walkthroughs, FAQs, Codes, Hints - PC | http://www.gamespot.com/pc/strategy/rometotalwar/cheats.htmlMay 04 18:27
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Officials say unarmed bin Laden had chance to surrender - Vallejo ... | http://www.timesheraldonline.com/ci_17988918May 04 18:27
GoForbes28well, that didn't work :OMay 04 18:27
schestowitzbin laden?May 04 18:27
schestowitzWe don't do politics here :-0)May 04 18:27
barniegschestowitz: its all the Microsoft consultants jumping on the cloud without mentioning opensource or linux and pretending both dont existMay 04 18:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Chromium blog: Updating JavaScript Benchmarks for Modern Browsers http://goo.gl/UvXsIMay 04 18:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Jorge Castro: Mobile support for !UDS http://goo.gl/ZHXrEMay 04 18:27
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GoForbes28!google cloud computing giving away your dataMay 04 18:28
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Is Your Data Safe In The Cloud? - CIO Central - CIO Network - Forbes | http://blogs.forbes.com/ciocentral/2011/03/16/is-your-data-safe-in-the-cloud/May 04 18:28
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Cloud Computing - Using Software and Storing Data on the Internet | http://www.english-online.at/technology/cloud-computing/cloud-computing-applications.htmMay 04 18:28
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Cloud Computing: Is Midori Sour or Sweet? | PCWorld | http://www.pcworld.com/article/149516/cloud_computing_is_midori_sour_or_sweet.htmlMay 04 18:28
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Cloud Computing | EMR and EHR | http://www.emrandehr.com/tag/cloud-computing/May 04 18:28
barniegwhat do these people think "the cloud" runs on?May 04 18:28
schestowitzLUNIXMay 04 18:28
schestowitzAt Microsoft is runs on vapourMay 04 18:28
schestowitz*itMay 04 18:28
GoForbes28!google Microsoft LinuxMay 04 18:28
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Microsoft Linux - the premier linux distro | http://www.mslinux.org/May 04 18:28
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - When will Microsoft sue Google over Linux? | The Open Road - CNET News | http://news.cnet.com/8301-13505_3-10458849-16.htmlMay 04 18:28
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Microsoft Patches Linux; Linus Responds | Linux Magazine | http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7439/May 04 18:28
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - What is in those Microsoft Linux patent agreements? | ZDNet | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/what-is-in-those-microsoft-linux-patent-agreements/6378May 04 18:28
schestowitzAZune FogMay 04 18:28
GoForbes28Pollution computingMay 04 18:29
schestowitzPC?May 04 18:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Ubuntu User: !Canonical Introduces 'Ubuntu Friendly' Open Hardware Validation Program http://goo.gl/UYmu2May 04 18:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Chris Johnston: !Ubuntu Developer Summit http://goo.gl/UxRv2May 04 18:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @zyth !openmoko !freerunner Community Updates/2011-05-01 (Period 2011-03-01 to 2011-04-30) -->> http://ur1.ca/42xxdMay 04 18:29
GoForbes28lolMay 04 18:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Canonical Introduces 'Ubuntu Friendly' Open Hardware Validation Program / Amber Graner: You in Ubuntu / Blogs / Online / Home - Ubuntu User .::. Size~: 91.35 KBMay 04 18:29
GoForbes28didn't see thatMay 04 18:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ubuntu Developer Summit | chrisjohnston.org .::. Size~: 37.08 KBMay 04 18:29
barnieghttp://www.sme7.com/sme/ an example of whats being promoted to SMEsMay 04 18:29
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schestowitzis SME 7 better than SME Vista?May 04 18:30
GoForbes28Are apples better than apples?May 04 18:30
barniegAparently its better than everthing and will fix the country at the same time!May 04 18:31
barnieg:)May 04 18:31
GoForbes28!google Windows 7 nuclear failureMay 04 18:31
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - YouTube - Japan Nuclear Failure Explained.- STUXNET! | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DOIq_6D4aTN8May 04 18:31
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - The Adelaide Review - Nuclear failure sidelines Australia | http://www.adelaidereview.com.au/article/595May 04 18:31
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - TVA: Valve failure at Ala. nuke plant not a threat - Business ... | http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42421362/ns/business-going_green/May 04 18:31
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - LankaWeb – Can we be without nuclear power? | http://www.lankaweb.com/news/items/2011/04/14/can-we-be-without-nuclear-power/May 04 18:31
GoForbes28schestowitz: Have you changed your wiki page yet?May 04 18:32
schestowitzbarnieg: ah,. solution for problemMay 04 18:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Bradley M. Kuhn: #Mono Developers Losing Jobs Isn't Good http://goo.gl/V4GIB !gnuMay 04 18:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Oracle proposes giving Hudson to Eclipse Foundation http://lwn.net/Articles/441395/rssMay 04 18:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mono Developers Losing Jobs Isn't Good - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) .::. Size~: 19.87 KBMay 04 18:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Oracle proposes giving Hudson to Eclipse Foundation [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 6.23 KBMay 04 18:34
schestowitz"We have a rough time. Microsoft understands. Let us offer you cost savings, Cameron"May 04 18:34
schestowitzGoForbes28: which one/s?May 04 18:35
GoForbes28just your user pageMay 04 18:35
GoForbes28It needs contact infoMay 04 18:35
GoForbes28so LiberalViewer isn't left dazed and confusedMay 04 18:35
barniegschestowitz:  The Government think going to the big suppliers and consultancys is the way to fix the problem rather than looking at really fixing the problemsMay 04 18:36
schestowitzOh, I see, GoForbes28May 04 18:37
schestowitzI've deleted 5 spam and now I see your editMay 04 18:37
GoForbes28barnieg: It will fix the problem, because hopefully people realize that voting the same way doesn't work and will vote for something betterMay 04 18:37
GoForbes28oh yeah. the articleMay 04 18:37
GoForbes28have to work on itMay 04 18:37
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GoForbes28_Goblin!May 04 18:37
_Goblin:)May 04 18:37
schestowitzHey, _Goblin!May 04 18:37
GoForbes28What's your first name?May 04 18:37
_GoblinTimMay 04 18:37
schestowitzWe were just talking about youMay 04 18:37
barnieghttp://www.flax.co.uk/blog/2011/03/18/government-it-a-closed-shop-to-smes-and-oss/May 04 18:37
TechrightsBot-trTitle: UK Government IT – a closed shop to SMEs and OSS? .::. Size~: 21.05 KBMay 04 18:38
GoForbes28Sorry, last nameMay 04 18:38
schestowitzWe try to get more people lined up for the show as guestsMay 04 18:38
_Goblinah...don't give the last name out....May 04 18:38
_Goblinlets say.....May 04 18:38
GoForbes28I have LiberalViewer in my mindMay 04 18:38
_GoblinfergessonMay 04 18:38
GoForbes28I'm sending him an emailMay 04 18:38
schestowitzfurrr :-)May 04 18:38
schestowitz!google fergie london bridgeMay 04 18:38
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - YouTube - Fergie-London Bridge | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dpu7VaGRjH9wMay 04 18:38
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - YouTube - London Bridge - Fergie [Official Video] | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DS_FGXii8v3UMay 04 18:38
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - FERGIE - LONDON BRIDGE LYRICS | http://www.metrolyrics.com/london-bridge-lyrics-fergie.htmlMay 04 18:38
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - London Bridge (song) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/London_Bridge_(song)May 04 18:38
GoForbes28and it kinda looks weird to have "Dr. Roy Schestowtiz" and "'GoblinMay 04 18:39
GoForbes28', also known as Tim" in the same sentenceMay 04 18:39
barnieghttp://www.westminsterforumprojects.co.uk/forums/event.php?eid=261 can anyone here get to that event?May 04 18:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Westminster Forum Projects | Westminster eForum | Efficiency in the public sector .::. Size~: 14.97 KBMay 04 18:40
schestowitzGoForbes28: *witzMay 04 18:40
schestowitzmeans jokeMay 04 18:40
_GoblinHow about a scener title...?  T1m{G0b1n}May 04 18:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @th3k4ty: now that i have been using mint for a few weeks i feel somehow not challenged enough by it. thought linux to be more complicatedMay 04 18:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] RT @toros Bradley M. Kuhn: #Mono Developers Losing Jobs Isn't Good http://goo.gl/V4GIB !gnuMay 04 18:41
_Goblinnow im l337May 04 18:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mono Developers Losing Jobs Isn't Good - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) .::. Size~: 19.87 KBMay 04 18:41
GoForbes28YOur last name isn't Schestowitz?May 04 18:41
schestowitzbarnieg: will the Westminster Forum get cracked or have trolls?May 04 18:41
schestowitzIt isMay 04 18:41
schestowitzYou misspelled it, just wanted to make sure it's not a repeatable errorMay 04 18:42
barniegNot likey but it has people like Mark Taylor of Sirius there who has talked at length on the problems OSS has in the public sectorMay 04 18:42
_Goblinbtw fyi roy....there is a good chance Flatf## is here under a different nym....either that or he's very quick on studying the IRC logs.....May 04 18:42
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_GoblinHello FlattyMay 04 18:42
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_Goblinsorry, not you tessierMay 04 18:43
schestowitzGoForbes28: I'll mend the linkage in the wikiMay 04 18:43
GoForbes28gotchaMay 04 18:43
GoForbes28on your userpage?May 04 18:43
schestowitzSee the changesMay 04 18:43
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/wiki/index.php?title=How_Windows_is_used_to_suppress_activists&diff=6139&oldid=6138May 04 18:43
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schestowitzbarnieg: you said forum, I made a jokeMay 04 18:44
schestowitzWorkshop or colloquium might sound betterMay 04 18:44
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schestowitzHi, alekMay 04 18:45
barniegschestowitz: went over my head I was at training this morning and my brain isnt on full capacity :)May 04 18:45
schestowitzmaybe it needs more RAMMay 04 18:46
schestowitz_Goblin: seen the latest episode of Rusty?May 04 18:46
schestowitzHe says hypePad needs over 1GB of RAMMay 04 18:46
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eOlabTjES9gMay 04 18:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: YouTube         - The iWorld EP 020: Part 1 : We be back : Best South Park Ever! : iPhone 5 vs iPhone 4s? : GLITCH!! .::. Size~: 66.61 KBMay 04 18:47
GoForbes28and slave workersMay 04 18:47
schestowitzthat tooMay 04 18:47
schestowitzWithout masksMay 04 18:47
schestowitzIt gets in their way seeing stuff and reducing producivity :-)May 04 18:47
aleksandarHi Roy... just finished visiting the new website of ur burgeoning media empire. Nice.May 04 18:48
_Goblinschestowitz: no I havent yet....I'll take a lookMay 04 18:48
schestowitzaleksandar: it's _Goblin'sMay 04 18:49
schestowitzBlame him! :-DMay 04 18:49
aleksandarBlame Goblin, hes Canadian!!!May 04 18:49
schestowitzHe isMay 04 18:49
aleksandarStill cant believe that South Park got 14 Tony nominations for putting that Mormon episodeMay 04 18:49
schestowitzHe doesn't know it yetMay 04 18:49
schestowitzMormons are abundant at NovellMay 04 18:50
schestowitzNot as much as they used to be... after attachMSFT's layoffsMay 04 18:50
schestowitzAffecting Provo mostlyMay 04 18:50
_Goblinyep blame me....May 04 18:51
aleksandarSCO done, Novell done.... I dont think I will ever hear the word Utah againMay 04 18:51
schestowitzThe Thinking Atheist published this one recently: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jd-RKWYTXI8May 04 18:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: YouTube         - Diary of an Ex-Mormon .::. Size~: 118.93 KBMay 04 18:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[piracy/@piracy] Bradley #Manning's jail conditions improve dramatically after protest campaign http://ur1.ca/42y0n #tpn #wikileaks #whistleblowerMay 04 18:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] "svn ci" always make me happy.... feeling happy now..May 04 18:52
aleksandarI know I asked earlier: Goblin: are u going to run ur videos only from the site or are you also going to put them on youtube?May 04 18:52
TechrightsBot-trError processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 302 FoundMay 04 18:52
schestowitzaleksandar: and Winter Olympics are not coming back there for a while, eitherMay 04 18:53
GoForbes28_Goblin: You aren't CAnadianMay 04 18:53
_GoblinI don't think so.May 04 18:53
schestowitzWhat are Canadians?May 04 18:53
_GoblinMight have a distant relative that is.May 04 18:53
schestowitzThe British Monarchy owns them :-pMay 04 18:53
schestowitzAnd the US instructs itMay 04 18:53
schestowitzHarper smiles and puts glasses on when he needs to look smartMay 04 18:54
aleksandarnotice my canuck IP and I still agree with u 100%May 04 18:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @fabsh ♺ @th3k4ty: now that i have been using mint for a few weeks i feel somehow not challenged enough by it. thought linux to be mo ...May 04 18:54
GoForbes28schestowitz: Well, when you put it that way...May 04 18:54
aleksandarcanadian politics proves that all uneed to do is cahge labels and people will vote for uMay 04 18:54
schestowitzGoForbes28: exaggerating on purposeMay 04 18:54
schestowitzOf course, that is changingMay 04 18:55
schestowitzVancouver absorbs a lot of the Asian smart folksMay 04 18:55
schestowitzAnd Toronto also has a lot of people from East Europe, which is goodMay 04 18:55
schestowitzSo Canada is becoming a melting pot like the USMay 04 18:55
schestowitzAnd NAFTA makes them oneMay 04 18:55
schestowitzMaybe BC and even Quebec will one day be US statesMay 04 18:55
aleksandarThe conservatives now are NOT the Progressive Conservative party that was over 125yrs old..May 04 18:56
schestowitzIn the interests of "unity"May 04 18:56
aleksandar...they were for 2 decades a fringe right wing party called Alliance and then reform party.May 04 18:56
schestowitz[18:54] <aleksandar> canadian politics proves that all uneed to do is cahge labels and people will vote for uMay 04 18:56
aleksandarThey helped shutdown the real conservatives, took the name and voila...May 04 18:56
schestowitzBut you can label and stereotype someMay 04 18:56
schestowitz"National Socialists" won't work anymore, let alone "Socialists"May 04 18:57
GoForbes28aleksander: Preston Manning is appealing nowMay 04 18:57
GoForbes28as a prime ministerMay 04 18:57
schestowitz"Green" is hip right now, even if it's not about the environment (money in the US is also green)May 04 18:57
GoForbes28I would rather him than Harper any day of the yearMay 04 18:57
aleksandarGoforbes: what was the name of the guy after Manning... it escapes me...May 04 18:58
aleksandarRoy: BP is green too u knowMay 04 18:58
schestowitzand yellowMay 04 19:00
schestowitzlike sunflower oilMay 04 19:00
schestowitzOil is not blackMay 04 19:00
aleksandarAnd propane has no smell....May 04 19:00
schestowitz!google greenwashingMay 04 19:01
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Greenwashing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GreenwashingMay 04 19:01
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - The EnviroMedia Greenwashing Index – Home | http://www.greenwashingindex.com/May 04 19:01
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - The Sins of Greenwashing: Home and Family Edition | http://sinsofgreenwashing.org/May 04 19:01
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Greenwashing - SourceWatch | http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php%3Ftitle%3DGreenwashingMay 04 19:01
schestowitz!google sludge astroturfingMay 04 19:01
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Astroturf - SourceWatch | http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php%3Ftitle%3DAstroturfMay 04 19:01
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Portal:Front groups - SourceWatch | http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php%3Ftitle%3DPortal:Front_groupsMay 04 19:01
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Corporate-Funded Online 'Astroturfing' Threatens to Destroy Open ... | http://www.organicconsumers.org/articles/article_22650.cfmMay 04 19:01
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - astroturf | Center for Media and Democracy | http://www.prwatch.org/taxonomy/term/110%3Fpage%3D1May 04 19:01
GoForbes28Aleksander: Stockwell DayMay 04 19:01
schestowitz!google "coal is green"May 04 19:01
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Peabody Coal Company argues that coal is “green coal” and “clean ... | http://dangerousintersection.org/2010/05/08/peabody-coal-company-argues-that-coal-is-%25E2%2580%259Cgreen-coal%25E2%2580%259D-and-%25E2%2580%259Cclean-coal%25E2%2580%259D/May 04 19:01
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - The EnviroMedia Greenwashing Index – Ads - Coal: Pennsylvania's ... | http://www.greenwashingindex.com/ad_single.php%3Fid%3D971May 04 19:01
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Greenwash: Fred Pearce on why 'clean coal' is the ultimate climate ... | http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/feb/26/greenwash-clean-coalMay 04 19:01
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Future of Coal Is Green, Say Montana and West Virginia - by James ... | http://www.heartland.org/policybot/results/18244/Future_of_Coal_Is_Green_Say_Montana_and_West_Virginia.html%3FEmail%3DyesMay 04 19:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Natty Narwhal: the First #Linux for Newbies? http://is.gd/P1ehGo gnubies? #unity #ubuntuMay 04 19:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] consolekit is to be going away; c'mon linux devs, stop changing significant parts of the stack on whim every year.May 04 19:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] in better news, the new rendered-by-the-compositor shadows for panels look and work very nicely. go !kwinMay 04 19:02
schestowitz_Goblin: can you do a 10 minute recording with me to release jono's interview?May 04 19:02
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schestowitzNeed to do opening and song introMay 04 19:03
_Goblinschestowitz: funny I was just doing a little PR re: that interview!May 04 19:03
_Goblinjust dented it!May 04 19:04
schestowitzgoodMay 04 19:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] How did this http://tinyurl.com/ykayqb2 crop up in a guest interview on !techbytes ! Watch the latest episode...coming soon..May 04 19:04
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schestowitzBut I would not call it PRMay 04 19:04
schestowitzCause you promote your own workMay 04 19:04
schestowitzPR is usualyl treated as an occupation for outsidersMay 04 19:04
schestowitzPR is another term for "propaganda" (renamed)May 04 19:05
_GoblinPublic Recording?May 04 19:05
_Goblintechbytes is publicMay 04 19:05
_Goblinit is recordedMay 04 19:05
_Goblin......May 04 19:05
_Goblinjust wanting to see if a certain lurker here jumps on that.....May 04 19:06
schestowitzMegadrive song :-)May 04 19:07
schestowitzIs it from Sonic?May 04 19:07
_GoblinSonic?May 04 19:08
_GoblinJono: I know you are busy - I don't expect a reply....Since you love metal, how about fusing opera, metal and classical music together? Check these guys out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-qWB4izxuBMMay 04 19:09
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Ender_nothomeimo its terribleMay 04 19:10
_Goblinwhat Sonic?May 04 19:11
Ender_nothomewatching my country changeMay 04 19:11
_Goblinchange is an inevitable part of the passage of time.....May 04 19:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Just added a like box in my homepage http://narendrasisodiya.comMay 04 19:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] By tab would be nice RT @beltzner: New in Firefox nightlies: about:memory, which lets you know who's using what: http://grab.by/a2LhMay 04 19:12
Ender_nothomethe toronto area gets the socialist vote (ndp, or liberals) due to the eastern european migration thereMay 04 19:12
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_GoblinI sounded a little like Dr Spock from StarTrek there.May 04 19:13
aleksandarEnder: its the fault of the commies? Are you gonna blame drugs on blacks too?May 04 19:13
Ender_nothomedrugs I would blame on the CIAMay 04 19:14
GoForbes28_Goblin: Lol, you didMay 04 19:14
Ender_nothomeI keep blaming communists incorrectlyMay 04 19:14
Ender_nothomelolMay 04 19:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Approaches to Mobile Web Development Part 1 – What is Mobile Friendliness? http://blog.mozilla.com/webdev/2011/05/04/approaches-to-mobile-weMay 04 19:14
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Ender_nothomecommunists, socialists and progressives are tools for globalistsMay 04 19:14
Ender_nothomethe right wing is there to make them look goodMay 04 19:16
Ender_nothomebush was so miserable people worshipped obama, who is essentially the same thingMay 04 19:17
Ender_nothomein an ideal world we wouldnt need to vote for crooks, we'd have the ability to vote for every bill ourselvesMay 04 19:19
GoForbes28schestowitz: Is your contact info up now?May 04 19:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] RT @bkuhn #Orcale's subpoena of the #Apache Software Foundation reminds vividly me of when #SCO subpoena the !FSF: http://ur1.ca/42xoy ...May 04 19:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Shit. Tricia Helfer. Looks different in Warehouse 13. OoMay 04 19:22
barnieghttp://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/227018/microsoftrim_alliance_is_no_easy_boost_for_blackberry_brand.htmlMay 04 19:23
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barnieghttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/03/woz_talks_patents_and_soup/May 04 19:25
schestowitzGoForbes28: it's in many places in my personal siteMay 04 19:25
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GoForbes28selling your soul is never easyMay 04 19:25
GoForbes28schestowitz: With twitter, identi, and email?May 04 19:26
schestowitzin techrights too, but scarcely because it's a community site and people should use IRCMay 04 19:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] http://advocacy.globalvoicesonline.org/2011/04/14/over-the-firewall-and-into-the-fire/May 04 19:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Red Hat to hand off Enterprise Linux 6.1 RC1 at summit this week http://is.gd/1F27xl #redhat should also explain its latest #acacia dealMay 04 19:26
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schestowitzbarnieg: seen thatMay 04 19:26
GoForbes28I'm recommended that LV does thatMay 04 19:26
schestowitzSomeone mailed me this 20 mins agoMay 04 19:26
schestowitzhi, hbonsMay 04 19:26
Ender_nothomeGoForbes28 - If I had voted I'd have voted CPCMay 04 19:26
hbonshelloMay 04 19:26
schestowitzCPR?May 04 19:27
schestowitzCanadian Party of Communism?May 04 19:27
schestowitzCrackPots Party?May 04 19:27
Ender_nothomeconservative partyMay 04 19:27
GoForbes28CPR is appropriate, since that what Canada will need in the next 5 yearsMay 04 19:27
Ender_nothomestrategically to keep the NDP outMay 04 19:27
schestowitzCo** Pu*** Co**?May 04 19:27
GoForbes28or rather at the end of 5 yearsMay 04 19:27
schestowitzCommunist Putin Communist  I meant.. :-)May 04 19:28
Ender_nothomethere are 2 openly communist parties in CanadaMay 04 19:28
Ender_nothomethe Communist Party, and the Marxist-Leninist Communist PartyMay 04 19:28
Ender_nothomeML got 252 votes in my areaMay 04 19:28
schestowitzDoes it promote Goulag?May 04 19:29
schestowitzOr just the "good bits"? :-)May 04 19:29
Ender_nothomeTrudeau thought the siberian goulag's were a good idea ;)May 04 19:29
GoForbes28Is marijuana legalization communism?May 04 19:29
schestowitzHow so?May 04 19:29
Ender_nothomegoforbes28 noMay 04 19:29
GoForbes28YayMay 04 19:29
schestowitzCommunism has a stance on drugs in its core?May 04 19:29
Ender_nothomegoforbes28 not talking about the marijuana partyMay 04 19:29
GoForbes2890 days, then its legalMay 04 19:30
GoForbes28seriouslyMay 04 19:30
schestowitzMP?May 04 19:30
Ender_nothomegoforbes28 that happened a few years back tooMay 04 19:30
schestowitzmarijuana party has several ways to read its nameMay 04 19:30
Ender_nothomethey were very quick about itMay 04 19:30
GoForbes28if nobody does anything, marijuana will become legal by default in canadaMay 04 19:30
schestowitzGlobal Mail: "Harper joins marijuana party"May 04 19:30
schestowitzOr Globe and MailMay 04 19:30
GoForbes28Or CanwestMay 04 19:31
GoForbes28Or ShawMay 04 19:31
schestowitzSure, Sure..May 04 19:31
GoForbes28I think marijuanna would definitely help weather the harper majorityMay 04 19:31
GoForbes28It may even give the illusion of him having lifeMay 04 19:31
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GoForbes28or any emotion whatsoverMay 04 19:32
GoForbes28schestowitz: Just one contact page would be niceMay 04 19:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Tiny Core Linux 3.6 brings improved installer http://is.gd/WxdAfC #tinycore #gnu #linuxMay 04 19:32
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GoForbes28I coulda sent this email an hour agoMay 04 19:32
Ender_nothomemaybe harper will be able to get rid of the census!May 04 19:33
Ender_nothomewootMay 04 19:33
GoForbes28he already hasMay 04 19:33
GoForbes28what a jokeMay 04 19:33
schestowitzGoForbes28: it's in schestowitz.com/royMay 04 19:34
GoForbes28"Please volunteer for the census"May 04 19:34
schestowitzit's easy to find my email addyMay 04 19:34
Ender_nothomehe just got rid of the forced surveyMay 04 19:34
GoForbes28identi and twitter too?May 04 19:34
schestowitz!google roy schestowitz emailMay 04 19:34
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Roy Schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/roy/May 04 19:34
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Interview with Dr Roy Schestowitz of TechRights « OpenBytes | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2011/04/17/interview-with-dr-roy-schestowitz-of-techrights/May 04 19:34
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Roy Schestowitz Registrant Street1:Sir Charles Groves Hall Domains | http://whois.pho.to/roy_schestowitz_registrant_street1sir_charles_groves_hall/May 04 19:34
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Re: [Roy Schestowitz twists another news story to suit his agenda ... | http://fixunix.com/linux/355036-re-%255Broy-schestowitz-twists-another-news-story-suit-his-agenda%255D-%255Brival%255D-microsoft-fails-evolve-approaches-debt-%255Bnews%255D-%255Brival%255D-microsoft-fails-evolve-approaches-debt.htmlMay 04 19:34
GoForbes28Ender: Still better than identity cardMay 04 19:34
GoForbes28sMay 04 19:34
Ender_nothomeit should be volunteerMay 04 19:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] How #Linux Was Announced to the World in 1991 [pic] http://is.gd/xTzMCC not really, as Google Groups did not exist at the timeMay 04 19:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Sony responds to #Congress: all 77 million #PSN accounts compromised, finger pointed at #Anonymous http://ping.fm/5BLBRMay 04 19:34
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GoForbes28no ender, it shouldn'tMay 04 19:34
Ender_nothomeyes it shouldMay 04 19:34
Ender_nothomeprivacyMay 04 19:34
GoForbes28!google Stallman identity cardsMay 04 19:34
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Richard Stallman's Personal Page | http://stallman.org/May 04 19:34
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - The Sinister Publisher - Richard Stallman | http://stallman.org/sinister-publisher.htmlMay 04 19:34
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - 2009: March - June Political Notes - Richard Stallman | http://stallman.org/archives/2009-mar-jun.htmlMay 04 19:34
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Richard Stallman: Free software costs the environment less | eWEEK ... | http://www.eweekeurope.co.uk/interview/interview-green-it/richard-stallman-free-software-costs-the-environment-less-403May 04 19:34
GoForbes28The only way to match the manditory census in accuracy is to issue identiy cards to all citizensMay 04 19:35
GoForbes28which is worse in every way for privacyMay 04 19:35
GoForbes28a voluntary census is a jokeMay 04 19:35
Ender_nothomelolMay 04 19:36
Ender_nothomeso its either totalitarianism or nothing?May 04 19:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Acer could launch a 7 inch !Android tablet in June - Liliputing http://ping.fm/b4Qk3May 04 19:36
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GoForbes28no, it's tracking, or not trackingMay 04 19:36
GoForbes28The people who will volunteer are more likely to be biased towards somethingMay 04 19:37
GoForbes28so you have a smaller number participating, who are more biasedMay 04 19:37
GoForbes28what a winning formulaMay 04 19:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Xubuntu 11.04: Solid, Sleek, and Speedy | Linux.com http://ping.fm/69kS2May 04 19:37
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GoForbes28And with this inaccurate information, either A) It shows the Harper gov't in a more positive light then it should, or B) It doesn't, to which the Harper Gov't will dismiss as being inaccurateMay 04 19:38
GoForbes28They will use it if helps them, and disgard it when it doesn'tMay 04 19:39
GoForbes28Fundamental attribution error, pure and simpleMay 04 19:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] GL Announces Linux Drivers & APIs http://is.gd/oo1GpH Good for #LinuxMay 04 19:39
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barniegtalking of Xubuntu I tried Lubuntu the other day in a VM install and have to say it gave it seemed to be very polishedMay 04 19:39
GoForbes28I really dislike LXDEMay 04 19:40
GoForbes28Really, use XFCE with openbox, and you basically have LXDEMay 04 19:40
GoForbes28I would go as far as to say that Thunar is more lightweight than the LXDE file managerMay 04 19:40
_Goblinschestowitz: want to record around 8pm?May 04 19:41
schestowitz_Goblin has started a new project: GNU MEDIAGOBLIN: FREE AND DECENTRALIZED MEDIA SHARING IN DEVELOPMENTMay 04 19:41
schestowitzhttp://mediagoblin.org/2011/05/gnu-mediagoblin-free-and-decentralized-media-sharing-in-development/May 04 19:41
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schestowitzHis own GNU-esque fork of Bytes MediaMay 04 19:41
schestowitz_Goblin: sure, would love to!May 04 19:42
_Goblinschestowitz: Sweet....I'll get myself sorted...May 04 19:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Celebrating 20 years of #linux: The Story of Slackware: http://bit.ly/jhn6KKMay 04 19:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] What is WinC++? (Ziff): http://zd.net/iG1pamMay 04 19:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Intel’s FINFET Transistors Increase Microprocessor Speed - NYTimes.com http://ping.fm/7MGqQMay 04 19:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] MedicalJustice: Stifling Speech of Patients with a Touch of "Privacy Blackmail" https://eff.org/r.469May 04 19:47
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GoForbes28sent the email to LiberalViewerMay 04 19:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[bgiltrap/@bgiltrap] http://bit.ly/ffUQvW ZTE becomes world's 4th largest manufacturer, Android is top OSMay 04 19:49
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schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/sarahsmith328/status/65844856462913536May 04 19:50
TechrightsBot-tr@sarahsmith328: @schestowitz RT "Novell's done so much to increase risk to #Linux users...Microsoft must be laughing loudly." Can I quote you in my article?May 04 19:50
schestowitzPR student from ProvoMay 04 19:50
schestowitz"Of course. I'd be happy if you did"May 04 19:50
schestowitzShe has just befrieended meMay 04 19:50
GoForbes28schestowitz: Do you want a copy of the email?May 04 19:51
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/noyesk/status/65839223487463425May 04 19:51
TechrightsBot-tr@noyesk: RT @schestowitz #Natty Narwhal: the First #Linux for Newbies? http://is.gd/P1ehGo gnubies? #unity #ubuntu <-- Nice: "GNUbies"!May 04 19:51
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schestowitzIt wasn't my invention :-)May 04 19:51
GoForbes28schestowitz: Do you want a copy of the email?May 04 19:53
GoForbes28anyway?May 04 19:53
schestowitzzombie troll for mono wakes up http://identi.ca/notice/72668731May 04 19:53
schestowitzAn account that only ever wakes up to do mono PRMay 04 19:54
TechrightsBot-tr@rclayton's status on Wednesday, 04-May-11 18:48:58 UTC - Identi.ca: @bkuhn this is a dent I wish trolls like @schestowitz would take to heart.May 04 19:54
schestowitzby attacking people like meMay 04 19:54
schestowitzGoForbes28: yes, thanksMay 04 19:54
schestowitzYou can tell him I'm a long-term channel sub of hisMay 04 19:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft promises OAuth 2.0 support in future version of Messenger Connect (WinRumors): http://bit.ly/iIQpdHMay 04 19:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to the !Miners server for a bit. Cracking open an Elephant Beer too. :)May 04 19:57
GoForbes28uh, It's been sent, so unfortunately I can't add any moreMay 04 19:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Woz Completely Changes Tune On #Patent Trolling From Just Months Ago http://bit.ly/mOKCjn confused? he was, you will beMay 04 19:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/05/medical-justice-stifling-speech-patients-touchMay 04 20:01
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GoForbes28wowMay 04 20:01
GoForbes28"rclaytonMay 04 20:01
GoForbes28@goforbes28 I'm not sure why I should cry, that's Roy's thing. (notice him crying about some 15-year old "bullying" him)"May 04 20:01
GoForbes28he obviously doesn't understand sarcasm, or humour in generalMay 04 20:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2011/05/medical-justice-stifling-speech-patients-touchMay 04 20:02
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schestowitz:crying about some 15-year old "bullying" him)"May 04 20:04
schestowitzLOLMay 04 20:04
schestowitzthis trolls humours meMay 04 20:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pmctechblog/@pmctechblog] ♺ @schestowitz: GL Announces Linux Drivers & APIs http://is.gd/oo1GpH Good for #LinuxMay 04 20:04
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schestowitzbut some people ight not se the lieMay 04 20:04
gnufreexrclayton is a troll. May 04 20:04
schestowitzmono oneMay 04 20:04
GoForbes28I like how he doesn't provide any evidence or a linkMay 04 20:05
GoForbes28Should I respond on that?May 04 20:05
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/72668731May 04 20:05
schestowitzLOLMay 04 20:05
TechrightsBot-tr@rclayton's status on Wednesday, 04-May-11 18:48:58 UTC - Identi.ca: @bkuhn this is a dent I wish trolls like @schestowitz would take to heart.May 04 20:05
schestowitzGoForbes28: noMay 04 20:05
schestowitzit gives them hardonMay 04 20:05
GoForbes28that's a picture I didn't needMay 04 20:05
schestowitzThey usually get no attention and then vanishMay 04 20:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Minnesota GOP leader declares war on Neil Gaiman http://ur1.ca/42yczMay 04 20:06
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/sarahsmith328/status/65852261682778112May 04 20:06
TechrightsBot-tr@sarahsmith328: @schestowitz Do you have any other comments? Some have compared Novell's strategy to Enron's...do you agree?May 04 20:06
_Goblinyou coming on schestowitz ?May 04 20:07
GoForbes28schestowitz: Like the Nortel reference tooMay 04 20:07
GoForbes28schestowitz: Nokia can also be related to NortelMay 04 20:07
schestowitzRegarding the strategy -- no. They are not like Enron. But I once mentioned Enron in the context of Novell in http://techrights.org/2008/08/30/novell-securities-corruption/May 04 20:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Cinema, that plucky heroine, will always survive - http://bit.ly/jHq4kf course: the social experience of the film is crucialMay 04 20:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] New Canadian Prime Minister violated election laws http://ur1.ca/42yd7May 04 20:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Cinema, that plucky heroine, will always survive | Ryan Gilbey | Comment is free | The Guardian .::. Size~: 252.73 KBMay 04 20:07
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GoForbes28http://www.boingboing.net/2011/05/04/new-canadian-prime-m.htmlMay 04 20:08
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GoForbes28What a great startMay 04 20:08
GoForbes28a voluntary meaningless censusMay 04 20:08
GoForbes28reports of ignoring a morotorium on boats off the BC coastMay 04 20:08
GoForbes28and now thisMay 04 20:09
GoForbes28Yep, that Harper sure doesn't like do anything radical right nowMay 04 20:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] During Budget Crisis, #Texas House Committee Passes Tax Break For Yacht Owners - you can't make this stuff upMay 04 20:09
schestowitzThe other concise comment I would make it that "Novell taught us that no matter the circumstances, Microsoft partners always end down below."May 04 20:09
schestowitzWhere will it be published?May 04 20:10
schestowitzI wonder...May 04 20:10
schestowitz_Goblin: yesMay 04 20:10
_Goblin:)May 04 20:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Re; my last dent....maybe it should have read: Watch out for the latest episode! !techbytesMay 04 20:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] \o/May 04 20:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] During Budget Crisis, #Texas House Committee Passes Tax Break For Yacht Owners - http://bit.ly/jh10nn you can't make this stuff upMay 04 20:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @Iain_31 Read The Daily #Election News ▸ today's top stories via @mradio @laurelrusswurm and @daltonldorne ▸ http://ur1.ca/42ye1 !cdnpoliMay 04 20:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Top 5 Open Source Alternatives to #Microsoft #Exchange http://is.gd/iGoV03 #gnu #linux #fossMay 04 20:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Does digital text create a cognitive gap? - http://oreil.ly/jrBsMM interesting point #ebooksMay 04 20:14
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GoForbes28Great quote: "I believe there's a difference between "freedom of communication" and "interfering with a federal election." While you do have the freedom to shout "FIRE!" in a crowded theatre, there are consequences."May 04 20:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I've been having trouble getting into Twitter lately, even with noscript set to allow all globally. Disabling NoScript worked. #security ?May 04 20:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @Alfresco: Good energy & buzz today at the @RedHatSummit, discussions around the next wave of open source content mgt #AlfrescoMay 04 20:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Inevitabilul s-a produs: Android a devenit lider pe piaţa smartphone http://is.gd/05Jfh5 #android #linux #romania #mobileMay 04 20:17
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Ender_nothomegoforbes28 the people who volunteer and are biased are the same people who want the census because it helps increase their welfare benefitsMay 04 20:18
Ender_nothomeimo, if I live in an area surrounded by poor people, the census data will be used by banks to increase my interest ratesMay 04 20:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @RomaniaBizNews: Kaspersky Lab avertizeaza: Osama bin Laden infecteaza computerele din toata lumea :o) - http://is.gd/zdY9ieMay 04 20:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] 2-0 on the night, 4-0 overall to !ManUtd can't see Shalke coming back now !footballMay 04 20:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] No, that would be a perfect democracy, impractical with this many people. We live in a representative democracy which is supposed to...May 04 20:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @linux_at_ibm: #IBM presents #SmartCloud for the Enterprise @RedHatSummit May 5, 4:20pm http://bit.ly/mO8MH8 #redhat #ibmcloudMay 04 20:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @regsecurity: Sony implicates Anonymous in PlayStation Network hack http://bit.ly/jTVXbN #security #sonyMay 04 20:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Cryptic #poetry written in a microbe's #DNA - http://bit.ly/kdYvcT "can cause the organism it's implanted in to produce a viable protein"May 04 20:21
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Ender_nothomegoforbes28 voting also puts you on the list for mandatory jury dutyMay 04 20:21
GoForbes28and?May 04 20:22
Ender_nothomeI don't want to miss a day of workMay 04 20:22
Ender_nothometo spend hours waiting bored in a courtroomMay 04 20:22
GoForbes28You never knowMay 04 20:23
GoForbes28it could turn into the next 12 Angry MenMay 04 20:23
Ender_nothomethey dont even reimburse you in full for the time you miss from workMay 04 20:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU unveils plans to pay fishermen to catch plastic - http://bit.ly/k27WIP yes, brilliant. I like this Maria #Damanaki: kudos to herMay 04 20:24
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GoForbes28I think that would be up to your employerMay 04 20:24
Ender_nothomemost employers will go with the legal minimumMay 04 20:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I can see #Scholes being sent off tonight !United !FootballMay 04 20:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Red Hat to hand off Enterprise Linux 6.1 RC1 at summit this week http://is.gd/1F27xl #redhat #linux #gnu #centosMay 04 20:26
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Ender_nothomeplus being on a jury would restrict my freedom to talk about the case to my friendsMay 04 20:26
Ender_nothomein the end i just dont want to do itMay 04 20:26
Ender_nothomeI hold the just-us system in contempt of humanityMay 04 20:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Damn it! Just died and lost all my stuff..... :/May 04 20:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @fabsh @mairin Saying #OBL wasn't human is a very dangerous and wrong notion. He was human, that's the scary part about it.May 04 20:32
Ender_nothomegoforbes, whats your nameMay 04 20:33
GoForbes28http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/User:GoForbes28May 04 20:37
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GoForbes28Hi GordonMay 04 20:38
ThistleWebheyMay 04 20:38
Ender_nothomeGoForbes28 - your name has REGO in itMay 04 20:40
Ender_nothomebut thats your handleMay 04 20:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] make -j just improved my life a little bit !fs !unixMay 04 20:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Sent from my high-horse -- http://foocorp.net/horse/May 04 20:42
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GoForbes28Thistleweb how goes you?May 04 20:45
GoForbes28Ender: That's a stretch friendMay 04 20:45
GoForbes28Ender: On this note, I assume you are big fan of 2001 A Space Odyssey?May 04 20:46
Ender_nothomeits an excellent source of allegoryMay 04 20:49
GoForbes28Thought soMay 04 20:49
GoForbes28It in fact, is about nothingMay 04 20:49
Ender_nothomeespecially the darwinism they show you in the first sceneMay 04 20:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is fabsh with 129 dents!May 04 20:49
GoForbes28I watched 2010, pretty good movieMay 04 20:49
Ender_nothomethe religion of the eliteMay 04 20:49
Ender_nothome2010 was good tooMay 04 20:49
GoForbes28anywhoMay 04 20:50
Ender_nothomeI saw that one first actuallyMay 04 20:50
GoForbes28so thistleweb, what's up?May 04 20:50
ThistleWebnothingMay 04 20:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] This series is very steampunk. #Warehouse13May 04 20:51
GoForbes28still pining for tabs in Thunar?May 04 20:51
ThistleWebnot really, I've given up on thunarMay 04 20:52
MinceRi'm looking for a good GUI folder-window-type file manager nowMay 04 20:52
Ender_nothomedolphin & krusaderMay 04 20:53
GoForbes28MinceR: ThunarMay 04 20:53
GoForbes28Thistleweb: That's a shameMay 04 20:53
GoForbes28It really is quote goodMay 04 20:53
MinceRi've tried nautilus, dolphin, thunar and rox-filer so farMay 04 20:53
GoForbes28and has network access nowMay 04 20:53
MinceRso far i think i like rox-filer the mostMay 04 20:53
ThistleWebI have grown attached to the elementary mod of nautilus which is apparently abandonedMay 04 20:53
GoForbes28MinceR: xfeMay 04 20:53
MinceRi'll try xfeMay 04 20:54
GoForbes28MinceR: The one with LXDE (yuck)May 04 20:54
Ender_nothomekrusader is one people swear byMay 04 20:54
MinceRkrusader is fine for my other use caseMay 04 20:54
Ender_nothomeim happy with dolphinMay 04 20:54
ThistleWebwindows explorer in wineMay 04 20:54
GoForbes28Thistleweb: You're just not having much luck in this area it seems :PMay 04 20:54
*ThistleWeb hidesMay 04 20:54
MinceRthe one i'm looking for is the one i'll leave open all over my virtual desktops :>May 04 20:54
MinceR(as "files i'm working on here")May 04 20:55
Ender_nothomeinterestingMay 04 20:55
ThistleWebMinceR: what about a plasma widget in kde4May 04 20:55
GoForbes28MinceR: xfe's worth a shotMay 04 20:55
MinceRThistleWeb: i'm going to get rid of plasmaMay 04 20:55
MinceRalso, plasma widgets are not subject to normal window managementMay 04 20:55
MinceRplus i'd have to add an activity for each such virtual desktopMay 04 20:55
GoForbes28MinceR: muCommanderMay 04 20:55
Ender_nothomee17 is pretty fancyMay 04 20:56
ThistleWebto be honest, I've found myself using the F3 split view in nautilus more and more, so even tabs ain't an issueMay 04 20:56
GoForbes28http://roland65.free.fr/xfe/images/screenshot-s7.pngMay 04 20:56
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GoForbes28Doesn't Thunar have a split mode?May 04 20:57
ThistleWebdunno if the latest thunar can do thatMay 04 20:57
GoForbes28!google thunar split modeMay 04 20:57
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Thunar File Browser: Tips, Tricks and Scripts | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/tips_tricks_and_scripts_thunar_file_browserMay 04 20:57
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Alternatives for Thunar (Page 1) / General discussion / Xfce Forums | http://forum.xfce.org/viewtopic.php%3Fid%3D5284May 04 20:57
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - [ Tip ] Quick resizing of images in Thunar (Page 2) - Tips, Tricks ... | http://crunchbanglinux.org/forums/topic/5400/tip-quick-resizing-of-images-in-thunar/page/2/May 04 20:57
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Howto: Music album covers in Thunar Nautilus and everywhere ... | http://ubuntuforums.org/archive/index.php/t-486359-p-3.htmlMay 04 20:57
MinceRi had trouble launching okular from thunarMay 04 20:57
GoForbes28Thistleweb: You could also try window tilingMay 04 20:58
ThistleWebnahMay 04 20:59
GoForbes28Nautilus is just so... bloatedMay 04 20:59
ThistleWebnautilus suits me fine, even if it does need to be house trained in xfceMay 04 20:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] BING! Patriot Act!May 04 20:59
GoForbes28lolMay 04 20:59
MinceRimo nautilus is slowMay 04 20:59
GoForbes28I still have that bing parody video in my mindMay 04 20:59
GoForbes28MinceR: Even with all toolbars and stuff turned off?May 04 21:00
ThistleWebit is annoying to have to house train it, xfce 4.8 seems to have done the house training tooMay 04 21:00
MinceRGoForbes28: probably haven't tried thatMay 04 21:00
GoForbes28what does house train mean in this context exactly?May 04 21:00
GoForbes28MinceR: Might given a bit of a boost at leastMay 04 21:00
GoForbes28MinceR: Less to drawMay 04 21:00
ThistleWebin xfce 4.8 when you use the folder menu first time it asks you which file manager to use as default for it, I make sure to have nautilus installed so it can choose itMay 04 21:01
MinceReven dolphin reacts much faster, even though it even has a bit more blingMay 04 21:01
ThistleWebyou know the right click gnome menu?May 04 21:01
ThistleWebon the desktopMay 04 21:01
GoForbes28yesMay 04 21:01
ThistleWebthe one with very little actual functionalityMay 04 21:01
ThistleWebthat's nautilusMay 04 21:02
GoForbes28ah GnomeMay 04 21:02
GoForbes28only you would be bloated and featureless at the same timeMay 04 21:02
ThistleWebwhen you run nautilus, it over rules your DE's right click menu with that oneMay 04 21:02
MinceR:>May 04 21:02
MinceRnautilus can be told not to bother the desktopMay 04 21:02
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: Had this problem tooMay 04 21:02
ThistleWebyou have to run it with the --no-desktop flag to get it NOT to do thatMay 04 21:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !Miners What's up with the server tonight?May 04 21:02
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: Can you uninstall Thunar without removing the entire XFCE package?May 04 21:03
ThistleWebthe prob is, so many things are scripted to run the regular nautilus that you have to screw about to find as many instances of it and add the --no-desktop flagMay 04 21:03
ThistleWebthat's what I mean by house trainingMay 04 21:03
GoForbes28ahMay 04 21:03
GoForbes28and XFCE 4.8 has begun to do this tooMay 04 21:04
ThistleWebevery now and again something will trigger it, and it'll remove my functional right click menu, with the gnome oneMay 04 21:04
ThistleWebI have to then go in and kill nautilusMay 04 21:04
ThistleWebwhich imediatly restarts itself depending on how it's killedMay 04 21:04
ThistleWebI tried xfce on ubuntu 11.04, it offers the option of nautilus as the default, AND adds the flag, so it keeps the xfce right click menuMay 04 21:05
ThistleWeb\o/May 04 21:05
ThistleWebwell, assuming nautilus is installed it offers itMay 04 21:06
ThistleWebit also sets the places applet to use nautilus tooMay 04 21:06
ThistleWebI never figured out how to do thatMay 04 21:06
_GoblinThistleWeb: :) May 04 21:07
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: When I get XFCE up and running, I'm going to swap for OpenBox as the WMMay 04 21:07
GoForbes28mainly because of university spiritMay 04 21:08
GoForbes28OpenBox is made by a student in the same university as mineMay 04 21:08
GoForbes28Problem is, I can't remove XFWM without it trying to remove all of XFCEMay 04 21:08
ThistleWeb_Goblin: o/May 04 21:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Server stopped lagging now, but I'm the only one on. !minersMay 04 21:09
ThistleWebI'm looking at arch with xfce for the netbookMay 04 21:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoExperts: Nelisquare Preview Video – #Maemo and #MeeGo Devices – #Nokia #N900 http://mge.bz/al #FourSquareMay 04 21:11
ThistleWebtried a few times to install arch and failed, then seen a tutorial video showing I was WAY overcomplicating itMay 04 21:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @Develop4AppUp: Have you seen the latest faces of MeeGo? http://fb.me/Uu7c6vlg #MeeGoMay 04 21:12
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ThistleWebsuggestions of solif kde4 distros?May 04 21:13
ThistleWebsolid*May 04 21:13
GoForbes28DebianMay 04 21:13
GoForbes28TestingMay 04 21:13
GoForbes28aptosidMay 04 21:13
GoForbes28not kubuntuMay 04 21:13
ThistleWebI did try mint 10 kde and was very disappointedMay 04 21:14
GoForbes28:)May 04 21:14
ThistleWebusually love mint, but their kde isn't that hotMay 04 21:14
GoForbes28BTW, what's with the "\o/" dent ThistleWeb?May 04 21:14
ThistleWeb\o/May 04 21:14
GoForbes28yeah, thatMay 04 21:14
ThistleWebMan Utd gameMay 04 21:14
GoForbes28well I was way offMay 04 21:15
GoForbes28I guessed a pig nose :PMay 04 21:15
ThistleWebit was a cheer, for a goal, they just got another as you askedMay 04 21:15
GoForbes28ohMay 04 21:15
GoForbes28I seeMay 04 21:15
GoForbes28silly meMay 04 21:15
ThistleWebhence the new cheerMay 04 21:15
GoForbes28<.<May 04 21:15
GoForbes28>.>May 04 21:15
*GoForbes28 jumps out window.May 04 21:15
GoForbes28of course, if I did that, it would be a metre drop, lolMay 04 21:16
ThistleWebgame is over as a contest, 5-1 up with 20mins to goMay 04 21:16
GoForbes28I seeMay 04 21:16
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: Has SIP/anything else begun to work properly for you?May 04 21:17
ThistleWebnot tried it sinceMay 04 21:17
GoForbes28not even in Windows?>May 04 21:17
_GoblinRight.....Im going to try and watch the rest of Barbarossa on BluRay....everytime Ive tried to watch it, somethings come up....its taken me 3 days to get through about 3/4 of the film....heres to hoping I can get to the end tonightMay 04 21:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @meegoblog: Nokia Releases Qt SDK 1.1 to Support Easier Design of Touch ... http://nowskip.to/kyUgCxMay 04 21:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @meegocom: MeeGo Conference keynote, sessions, activities and more announcements: http://bit.ly/mT8UrB It's not too late to... #MeeGoConfMay 04 21:17
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ThistleWeb\o/ make that 6-1May 04 21:19
GoForbes28wait, what game are you talking about again?May 04 21:19
GoForbes28ohMay 04 21:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Baa-haa. Red Hat's virtualization manager had to run on Windows (though no longer) (Ziff): http://zd.net/iVjeioMay 04 21:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rickety life: Why get Shackled ? http://ur1.ca/42ymc #DayAgainstDRM < Canadian version: #DayAgainstTPMMay 04 21:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Ubuntu issues patches for Perl vulnerability (PacketStorm): http://bit.ly/jngi0IMay 04 21:19
GoForbes28soccer?May 04 21:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Red Hat's Virtualization Server 3 beta due this summer, to ship in late 2011 | ZDNet .::. Size~: 104.99 KBMay 04 21:19
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ThistleWebMan Utd v Shalke, semi final of the champions league, yes soccerMay 04 21:19
ThistleWeb2nd legMay 04 21:20
GoForbes28or football as you weird euros call itMay 04 21:20
GoForbes28;)May 04 21:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] DRM And Free Culture http://jxself.org/ #DayAgainstDRM < !Canada: #DayAgainstTPMMay 04 21:21
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ThistleWebyeah whodathunkit, a game named after kicking the ball with your feet, not like the Americans who play a game mostly controlled by the hands and call it footballMay 04 21:21
Ender_nothomethistleweb - Fedora for KDEMay 04 21:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] PCR's notepad: Day against DRM 2011 http://ur1.ca/42ymy #DayAgainstDRM < !Canada: #DayAgainstTPMMay 04 21:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] 3. Once person has decided to keep the phone and look through it for info, decides that robbery is a good idea. Conservative guess: p < 0.5May 04 21:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Day against DRM 2011 – PCR's notepad .::. Size~: 46.11 KBMay 04 21:22
ThistleWebnot sure about fedora, the few times I have tried it I've been very underwhelmed, although the live gnome 3 image was classMay 04 21:23
ThistleWebopensuse 11.04 kde was damn nice tooMay 04 21:23
GoForbes28ThistleWeb, between that and your Windows Explorer comment, I must ask you to leave. ;)May 04 21:24
cubezzzhey ThistleWeb, you're backMay 04 21:25
ThistleWebto be fair, I've only tried fedora gnome and xfceMay 04 21:25
ThistleWebcubezzz: yeah on and off for nowMay 04 21:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Brooklyn Public Library: Managing eResources at BPL http://ur1.ca/42yn4 #DayAgainstDRM < !Canada: #DayAgainstTPMMay 04 21:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Librarian in Black: Day Against DRM Today! http://ur1.ca/42ynd #DayAgainstDRM < !Canada: #DayAgainstTPMMay 04 21:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Set my download away for Zenith http://vodo.net/zenith?page=2 A great !cc mini-series. Support the project! Great stuff! !vodoMay 04 21:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Now sitting down to try and watch Barbarossa on BluRay, kept being interrupted, its taken me 3 days to get 3/4 of the way through the film.May 04 21:29
ThistleWebI probably should try fedora kde actually, I assume it's easy enough to add the various non-free stuff like codecsMay 04 21:30
Ender_nothomei've tried a lot of KDE distrosMay 04 21:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] We are also putting out the interview with Jono Bacon on a !techbytes episode (43) tonight. It will be available shortly.May 04 21:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] !United have a strong squad this yr, less flair but more resilience, hats off to #Fergie for being flexible enough to work itMay 04 21:31
Ender_nothomeit seemed to be the most stable for meMay 04 21:31
Ender_nothomeopensuse has good KDE tooMay 04 21:31
ThistleWebyeah I was impressed with opensuse, just wary over where it's future isMay 04 21:31
ThistleWebI do like the idea of a rolling distroMay 04 21:32
Ender_nothomeyeah the future is uncertainMay 04 21:32
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Ender_nothometumbleweed rocks and I think its managed by Greg Kroah-HartmanMay 04 21:32
ThistleWebyep, that was a draw to opensuse, tumbleweedMay 04 21:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] Just had an !irc conversation that made me regress to the arguing skill of a 12 year old.May 04 21:32
ThistleWebI did find an annoying consistent issue with every kde4 I tried, it cant play any media from my NAS, it always has to copy it across firstMay 04 21:34
MinceRThistleWeb: were you talking about soccer? :>May 04 21:35
ThistleWebMinceR: yesMay 04 21:35
ThistleWebit's in the last secondsMay 04 21:35
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: aptosid is rollingMay 04 21:35
ThistleWebooh that's based on debian sid right?May 04 21:36
GoForbes28yeahMay 04 21:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] non-EN #DayAgainstDRM #TPM Arabic: http://ur1.ca/42yno & http://ur1.ca/42ynt and Italian: http://ur1.ca/42ynx & http://ur1.ca/42yo0May 04 21:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Just say "No" to DRM (and if you're in !Canada, #TMP) !copyright !freeculture http://ur1.ca/42yolMay 04 21:36
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: Il giardino della mente: Cos’è il DRM e perché sono contrario .::. Size~: 99 KBMay 04 21:36
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ThistleWeb\o/ full time, we're in the finalMay 04 21:36
GoForbes28You also have the option of KDE lite with itMay 04 21:36
GoForbes28feels a lot like old KDE with that install optionMay 04 21:36
ThistleWebmy comfort zone is ubuntu / mint / debianMay 04 21:36
GoForbes28yeah, it could be a problem thenMay 04 21:37
GoForbes28a little quirky to say the leastMay 04 21:37
ThistleWebideally it's enough of a change to switch to kde4 without adding another base etc into the mixMay 04 21:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] OurBricks design competition for 3D artists! Theme is “Modern Life" & winning entry will be CC BY. Submit by May 16: http://bit.ly/iY2V91May 04 21:37
GoForbes28Diablo-D3 explained that Debian Testing is essentially a rolling release IFIRKMay 04 21:37
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Diablo-D3sid isMay 04 21:38
Diablo-D3testing DOES stop periodically to let stable get off the trainMay 04 21:38
sebsebsebGoForbes28: have you been on Techbytes yet?May 04 21:38
GoForbes28seb*3: noMay 04 21:38
sebsebsebGoForbes28: well I might be on it before JuneMay 04 21:39
GoForbes28Diablo-D3: And then gets going again?May 04 21:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @clacke you know the police is currently using this #iphoney anti user feature, right? If they do, why won't a modern robber do as well?May 04 21:39
Diablo-D3yeahMay 04 21:39
Diablo-D3the release name changes, and it starts back up grabbing shit from sidMay 04 21:39
GoForbes28and you theoretically never have to reinstall?May 04 21:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] We're going to wembley. But I am not excited yet! Huge game on the weekend. !MUFCMay 04 21:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @clacke Apparently #Apple doesn't make use of the data. The #iphoney does. And police. And very likely robbers will too, if they don't now.May 04 21:41
Ender_nothomethistleweb - what does your NAS use? I play media over a share in KDEMay 04 21:43
Ender_nothomeif the media player supports KIOMay 04 21:43
Ender_nothomea lot of gnome apps dontMay 04 21:43
ThistleWebnot sure, it can do cifs, smb and something macs use, buyt since I don't have any apple stuff I disabled thatMay 04 21:43
Ender_nothomea true KDE app gives you access to everything you can access in dolphinMay 04 21:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] CBS/CNET Accused of Copyright Infringement for Distributing LimeWire (Wired): http://bit.ly/kO6ZGEMay 04 21:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] #Fring S2E06 Nice one. i'm begining to really love that serieMay 04 21:44
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Ender_nothomethats why its a big thing to get the KDE file/open file/save dialog window in appsMay 04 21:44
Ender_nothomeso I add all my CIFS shares in dolphin and can open them in amarokMay 04 21:45
ThistleWebI have consistently had problems with thatMay 04 21:45
ThistleWebI'm guessing there is a fix, I just didn't know how, and couldn't find out howMay 04 21:46
Ender_nothomeweirdMay 04 21:46
Ender_nothomemy problem with gnome is that nothing does thatMay 04 21:46
Ender_nothomelolMay 04 21:46
Ender_nothomeI can map a share in gnome, can't access it with most appsMay 04 21:47
Ender_nothomeI did that with my SL 6 box because google desktop will only read files on the filesystemMay 04 21:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Running a fucking #Minecraft server is like it's own science.May 04 21:49
ThistleWebit is something I'd need to figure out to be able to use kde4May 04 21:50
MinceRi thought gnome mapped stuff into the actual filesystem and any apps could access themMay 04 21:56
MinceR(on the downside, it seemed to be a bit brittle)May 04 21:56
MinceRhttps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/GVFSMay 04 21:56
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schestowitz[21:19] <ThistleWeb> Man Utd v Shalke, semi final of the champions league, yes soccerMay 04 21:59
schestowitzI was running around the city today, lots of foeigners in blue uniform around :-) sometimes holding beerMay 04 21:59
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schestowitz_Goblin: the recording had my volume extremely low, had to fix that manually by amplifying. A shame sound quality from the interview was nowhere as optimal as sometimes.May 04 22:01
ThistleWebschestowitz: that'll be the germans, I'm betting they're pretty despondent on the way homeMay 04 22:02
schestowitzYes, I know...May 04 22:02
schestowitzJust a mile from my houseMay 04 22:03
schestowitzthousands... some asked me for instructions around hereMay 04 22:03
schestowitzThe drunk ones were cheering me as I ran :-)May 04 22:03
schestowitzThat was /before'/ the gameMay 04 22:03
schestowitzI was wearing redMay 04 22:03
ThistleWeblolMay 04 22:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] note to self: spend more time in a state of undress while sipping coffee ;)May 04 22:11
GoForbes28Here's a new oneMay 04 22:11
GoForbes28Since I assume there will be a lot of protests against our infinite leader, what song do you think would be suitably annoying enough to protest with? May 04 22:12
Ender_nothomeI doubt itMay 04 22:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @jezra: note to self: spend more time in a state of undress while sipping coffee ;)May 04 22:12
Ender_nothomemost of canadians picked himMay 04 22:12
GoForbes28You know, full volume near the parliament buildings, interrupting Steve H.'s speeches, etc.May 04 22:12
GoForbes28NoMay 04 22:13
GoForbes2860% didn't pick himMay 04 22:13
GoForbes2820% didMay 04 22:13
Ender_nothomeno other party got near 40%May 04 22:13
GoForbes28sorry, 39% of voters didMay 04 22:13
Ender_nothomendp got 30%May 04 22:13
GoForbes28doesn't matterMay 04 22:13
Ender_nothomeall the other parties aren't one partyMay 04 22:13
GoForbes28the majority didn't want himMay 04 22:13
Ender_nothomeso it does matterMay 04 22:13
GoForbes28coalition would mean they technically would beMay 04 22:14
GoForbes28but moving onMay 04 22:14
Ender_nothomenopeMay 04 22:14
GoForbes28yesMay 04 22:14
GoForbes28BesidesMay 04 22:14
Ender_nothomebecause someone voting NDP might not want a Liberal policy whatsoeverMay 04 22:14
GoForbes28besideMay 04 22:14
GoForbes28BesidesMay 04 22:14
Ender_nothomebesides nothingMay 04 22:14
Ender_nothomeif i voted CAP, it doesnt mean I agree with NDP and Liberal voters against CPCMay 04 22:14
GoForbes28yeahMay 04 22:15
GoForbes28It means you didn't want the CPC to winMay 04 22:15
GoForbes28there's something in commonMay 04 22:15
Ender_nothomeit means i didnt want the CPC, NDP, libs, or bloc to winMay 04 22:15
Ender_nothomenot just CPCMay 04 22:15
GoForbes28Besides, I have a pretty good feeling that people will soon wish they didn't vote CPC anywayMay 04 22:15
GoForbes28So what, that doesn't mean you don't have that, and a few other things, in commonMay 04 22:16
GoForbes28as I said thoughMay 04 22:16
Ender_nothomeplus, i didnt vote so it doesnt represent me eitherMay 04 22:16
GoForbes28Of course, if I said mandatory voting, you'd be against thatMay 04 22:16
Ender_nothomeyes I wouldMay 04 22:17
Ender_nothomemandatory is the opposite of freedomMay 04 22:17
GoForbes28okMay 04 22:17
GoForbes28anywhoMay 04 22:17
GoForbes28As I was sayingMay 04 22:17
Ender_nothomeit always amuses me to have freedom activists advocate against freedomMay 04 22:17
GoForbes28I never said I was a freedom activistMay 04 22:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to bed. Some Lovecraft and then sleep.May 04 22:17
GoForbes28You could also have freedom to murder peopleMay 04 22:18
Ender_nothomeI'd like that oneMay 04 22:18
GoForbes28Obviously none of use are freedom activists in the strictists senseMay 04 22:18
GoForbes28more fair and balancedMay 04 22:18
Ender_nothomeI amMay 04 22:18
GoForbes28kinda like the GPLMay 04 22:18
GoForbes28The GPL does restrict the individual's freedom in some waysMay 04 22:18
Ender_nothomeI'm an anti government freedom advocateMay 04 22:18
GoForbes28but for the benefit of everyone elseMay 04 22:19
Ender_nothomesome would say anarchist but even that is a systemMay 04 22:19
Ender_nothomeimo, nobody should have the right to force me to do anything I don't want to doMay 04 22:19
Ender_nothomeI'd like to see the abolition of taxes tooMay 04 22:20
Ender_nothome25% of my paycheque is stolen from me and 13% is stolen from me when I purchase stuffMay 04 22:20
schestowitz_Goblin: will you have show notes?May 04 22:21
schestowitzIt's almost done nowMay 04 22:21
GoForbes28So what you are saying then is that if you were to steal something, and I was to use force to stop you, you would be against that?May 04 22:21
Ender_nothomegoforbes28 look up the BSD licenseMay 04 22:21
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Ender_nothomegoforbes28 of course i'd be against getting caughtMay 04 22:22
GoForbes28You realize that complete freedom would mean I would have the right to force you to do somethingMay 04 22:22
Ender_nothomegoforbes28 I would have the right to extract revenegeMay 04 22:22
GoForbes28That would be productiveMay 04 22:22
Ender_nothomeif someone tried to kill you in Canada, its against the law to kill themMay 04 22:23
GoForbes28YesMay 04 22:23
GoForbes28Because it doesn't solve anythingMay 04 22:23
Ender_nothomethe law actually protects the person who does the crimeMay 04 22:23
GoForbes28no, it isn't protectionMay 04 22:23
Ender_nothomegives them free room and board for yearsMay 04 22:23
Ender_nothomefree sex, free collegeMay 04 22:23
Ender_nothomeall on my dimeMay 04 22:24
GoForbes28That is a generalization number oneMay 04 22:24
GoForbes28Number two, how does killing said person make you better than him?May 04 22:24
GoForbes28I mean reallyMay 04 22:24
Ender_nothomeif someone tries to kill me, they might try againMay 04 22:25
GoForbes28It doesn't matter who you killMay 04 22:25
Ender_nothomei'd like to make sure I end itMay 04 22:25
GoForbes28That's why we have jailsMay 04 22:25
Ender_nothomeif he goes to prison, he'll get out eventuallyMay 04 22:25
Ender_nothomeplus i'll have to pay for his food and rentMay 04 22:25
GoForbes28What if from the experience from killing your attempted killer, you yourself become a killer?May 04 22:25
GoForbes28What if you have a mental disorder?May 04 22:25
GoForbes28What if he has a mental disorder?May 04 22:26
Ender_nothomewhat if what ifMay 04 22:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Wellcome Trust urges universities to take leadership in open scientific publishing: http://bit.ly/kNflS8May 04 22:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] German man trapped in women's prison rescued by mayor http://is.gd/xV037v I love oddball storiesMay 04 22:26
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Ender_nothomewhat if he was hitlerMay 04 22:26
GoForbes28Yeah, asking what if is the measure of a civilised societyMay 04 22:26
Ender_nothomeor what if he was the next hitlerMay 04 22:26
GoForbes28Animals are the ones who kill without thinking of the consequenceMay 04 22:26
Ender_nothomewhat if he was the next osama bin ladenMay 04 22:26
Ender_nothomewhat if he was going to pass laws that killed the earthMay 04 22:27
GoForbes28I'm sorry, but asking what if he has a mental disorder is different from thatMay 04 22:27
GoForbes28he has a mental disorder, periodMay 04 22:27
Ender_nothomeits all stawman argumentsMay 04 22:27
GoForbes28in the present, here are nowMay 04 22:27
Ender_nothomeso what if he has a mental disorderMay 04 22:27
GoForbes28He might not be able to control himselfMay 04 22:27
GoForbes28Maybe he needs medical treatment or drugsMay 04 22:28
Ender_nothomewell then hes better off deadMay 04 22:28
Ender_nothomeif hes trying to kill peopleMay 04 22:28
GoForbes28Ok, new perspectiveMay 04 22:28
GoForbes28what is your view on killing animals?May 04 22:28
Ender_nothomeim fine with itMay 04 22:28
GoForbes28Well that at least is consistentMay 04 22:28
GoForbes28If you had tried to defend the killing of animals, I would have dismissed you as a hypocriteMay 04 22:29
GoForbes28*defend againstMay 04 22:29
Ender_nothomenah im not a hypocrite so that wont workMay 04 22:29
Ender_nothomegtg home, laterMay 04 22:29
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GoForbes28schestowitz: I assume you try and not to get into arguments with Ender? :SMay 04 22:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] sleep well, @marjoleinkMay 04 22:31
schestowitzGoForbes28: hehMay 04 22:33
GoForbes28"If someone attempts to kill me, I should be able to kill him".  What?!!May 04 22:33
schestowitzMaybe if he calls you communist it means he liked you ;-)May 04 22:34
GoForbes28he got a chuckle out of my "centrist conspiracy theorist" commentMay 04 22:34
GoForbes28That I am one, I guess you would be too ;)May 04 22:35
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: ermMay 04 22:36
GoForbes28Since apparently, calling mean greedy Bill Gates mean and greedy is obvious on the level of conspiracyMay 04 22:36
Diablo-D3[05:33:42] <GoForbes28> "If someone attempts to kill me, I should be able to kill him".  What?!!May 04 22:36
Diablo-D3thats pretty much trueMay 04 22:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @dbd: Happy Day Against DRM! http://libreplanet.org/wiki/Group:DefectiveByDesign/Day_Against_DRM_2011 !fsfla !softwarelivreMay 04 22:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #antiX #MEPIS 11 is Available for Download http://is.gd/dY8oo8 #debian #gnu #linuxMay 04 22:36
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Diablo-D3but you have to consider that in the context of immediate threatMay 04 22:36
Diablo-D3rich people are not an immediate threatMay 04 22:36
Diablo-D3they are not in my house trying to kill meMay 04 22:36
Diablo-D3they're in THEIR house trying to kill meMay 04 22:36
GoForbes28Diablo-D3: Sorry, I meant in the way he phrased itMay 04 22:36
GoForbes28wait wait waitMay 04 22:37
Diablo-D3so the only thing I can do in return is try to kill them back in MY houseMay 04 22:37
GoForbes28waitMay 04 22:37
Diablo-D3I cant go to their house and start threatening them, then Im the wrong partyMay 04 22:37
GoForbes28ok, in the heat of the moment and you are being attacked, someone is trying to kill youMay 04 22:37
Diablo-D3then I can kill them right backMay 04 22:37
Diablo-D3even equal force is flexible in the lawMay 04 22:38
schestowitz_Goblin: ETA (publishing) 40 minsMay 04 22:38
GoForbes28Yes, I think fighting back, which may end up in the other person dying is acceptableMay 04 22:38
Diablo-D3depending on the stateMay 04 22:38
GoForbes28HoweverMay 04 22:38
Diablo-D3Bill Gates intentionally poisoning my food for profits doesnt count as an immediate threat.May 04 22:38
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/sarahsmith328/status/65857900693823488May 04 22:38
TechrightsBot-tr@sarahsmith328: @schestowitz RT "The other concise comment I would make it that..."(?) It will be published in BYU's Daily UniverseMay 04 22:38
GoForbes28If someone attempts to kill you and fails, and then some time after you meet up again and try to kill him/her when he isn't trying to kill youMay 04 22:38
schestowitzSounds good, thank you.May 04 22:38
GoForbes28I don't think that is rightMay 04 22:38
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: nope, thats not rightMay 04 22:39
Diablo-D3because hes not an immediate threatMay 04 22:39
Diablo-D3the keyword here is IMMEDIATE threatMay 04 22:39
GoForbes28exactlyMay 04 22:39
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/sarahsmith328/status/65860429632647168May 04 22:39
TechrightsBot-tr@sarahsmith328: @schestowitz How exactly did Novell increase risk to Linux users? (for those of us who are not so software savvy)May 04 22:39
Diablo-D3this is the way any sane law is wordedMay 04 22:39
GoForbes28Ender didn't emphasize the IMMEDIATE partMay 04 22:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Thanks to everyone who took part in Day Against DRM, but especially to @joshuagay and @moarplease for their work updating us all day #NODRMMay 04 22:39
Diablo-D3Ender is a troll and an idiotMay 04 22:39
Diablo-D3half the channel has him on ignoreMay 04 22:39
GoForbes28It is an interesting parallel thoughMay 04 22:40
GoForbes28We think he is a crazy conspiracy theorist, while the general public may consider *us* to be crazy conspiracy theoristsMay 04 22:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joshuagay/@joshuagay] RT @dbd PCWord covers digital *restrictions* management for Day Against DRM: http://ur1.ca/42z0i #nodrmMay 04 22:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] @joshuagay gave me 17 fun-sized Snickers. Apparently that is the cure for my sore throat. Sent from my shetland-pony.May 04 22:41
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GoForbes28With the anti-Bill Gates talk and the likeMay 04 22:41
GoForbes28though we have been proven rightMay 04 22:41
GoForbes28for example, with NovellMay 04 22:41
schestowitzNovell set up -- along with Microsoft which it had liaised with -- an exclusionary patent deal that brings software patents to the table and then divides the market into "legal" and "illegal" Linux, where the former pays commissions to Microsoft and the latter does not.May 04 22:41
GoForbes28And yet people would still say you are talking conspiraciesMay 04 22:42
GoForbes28amazingMay 04 22:42
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/explodingwalrus/status/65887472160223232May 04 22:42
TechrightsBot-tr@explodingwalrus: @schestowitz i wouldn't recommend it!May 04 22:42
Diablo-D3GoForbes28: noMay 04 22:43
Diablo-D3the general public thinks Windows is shitMay 04 22:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] No, still coughing. Damn you @masterfoodsMay 04 22:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] what does it say about a crack unit of special forces is so threatened by an unarmed man enough to warrant a shoot to kill? #oblMay 04 22:43
GoForbes28or rather, trolls would go one force trying to convince the restMay 04 22:43
schestowitzI don't recommend Ubuntu's new Unity either, but a lot of people will use itMay 04 22:43
Diablo-D3schestowitz: nopeMay 04 22:43
GoForbes28The general public also doesn't think Windows spies on themMay 04 22:43
Diablo-D311.10 will ship with gnome 3 shell, not gnome 3 + unityMay 04 22:43
schestowitzreally?May 04 22:44
GoForbes28That can be proven with design and affirmative statements from Microsoft itselfMay 04 22:44
schestowitzURL/cite?May 04 22:44
Diablo-D3schestowitz: it didnt make 11.04, and its still totally brokenMay 04 22:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] On-demand categories and tab assist http://mozillalabs.com/prospector/2011/05/04/on-demand-categories-and-tab-assist/May 04 22:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] heh, happy Star Wars day! ♻ @art3mis4: feliz dia de star wars a tod@s "May the 4th be with you"May 04 22:44
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Diablo-D3so unless God comes down and blesses Unity, it wont make it for 11.10 eitherMay 04 22:44
GoForbes28That would be hilariousMay 04 22:44
Diablo-D311.04 shipped with a customized gnome 3 shell, btwMay 04 22:45
GoForbes28I thought it shipped with unityMay 04 22:45
GoForbes28or is what you are describing actually just part of this?May 04 22:45
Diablo-D3Im very sure it didnt ship with unityMay 04 22:46
Diablo-D3unless ubuntu lied the whole way up to 11.04 launchMay 04 22:46
Diablo-D3btw, unity and gnome shell are almost identical in functionMay 04 22:46
GoForbes28uhhMay 04 22:47
GoForbes28http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/2011/05/01/ubuntu-11-04/May 04 22:47
Diablo-D3and all the stuff canonical slated for unity that arent in gnome 3 are slated for the 3.1 release cycleMay 04 22:47
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GoForbes28"Canonical has gotten some flack for this release since it uses Unity as the default desktop instead of the usual GNOME interface."May 04 22:47
Diablo-D3Goddamnit.May 04 22:47
Diablo-D3Canonical can blow it out their assMay 04 22:47
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Diablo-D3they repeatedly said Unity wasnt ready for 11.04May 04 22:47
Diablo-D3for monthsMay 04 22:47
GoForbes28http://desktoplinuxreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/Desktop.pngMay 04 22:48
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GoForbes28looks like unity to meMay 04 22:48
Diablo-D3fuckersMay 04 22:48
Diablo-D3they can suck my dickMay 04 22:48
Diablo-D3I hope someone sues themMay 04 22:48
GoForbes28you still there, Diablo-D3?May 04 22:48
Diablo-D3I would hope soMay 04 22:49
GoForbes28you seem to have a slight personality changeMay 04 22:49
GoForbes28or a very short temperMay 04 22:49
MinceRguess which is more likely ;)May 04 22:49
Diablo-D3I dont particularly like being lied to.May 04 22:49
GoForbes28okMay 04 22:49
GoForbes28can't argue with thatMay 04 22:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @kokothekoala: BLAG 140k final released! ftp://blag.fsf.org/140000/en/iso/ #gnull #gnu #fsf #linuxlibreMay 04 22:51
GoForbes28Diablo-D3: You've been Sussudio'd. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r0qBaBb1Y-UMay 04 22:51
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GoForbes28:)May 04 22:51
Diablo-D3this is horrible musicMay 04 22:53
GoForbes28exactlyMay 04 22:53
GoForbes28sussudio'dMay 04 22:53
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GoForbes28you expected good music and were gippedMay 04 22:54
GoForbes28though to be fair, I like SussudioMay 04 22:54
GoForbes28It's pretty much audio crackMay 04 22:54
GoForbes28for when your brain doesn't want to function fully that dayMay 04 22:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Thought I'd heard of all the scams - @medicaljustice tries to block you from commenting on bad service by a physician. #Jerks.May 04 22:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] I'm !enraged when I see RHT developers use legacy !GPLv2 only license notices on !RedHat work. Such notices hereby deemed GPLv2-or-later.May 04 22:56
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/65898079425011712May 04 22:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Et tu, LinuxToday? See comments in http://is.gd/1QR6nsMay 04 22:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Wife got home - my computer desk had migrated to other end of house. Disclaimed responsibility. #shitthathappenswhenyouaren'tlookingMay 04 22:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] #Fedora15Beta installs well on one rig, some issues, going to test on another rig, suspect the wireless card #broadcomsucksMay 04 23:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] for all we know #OBL could have been caught unaware, tried to surrender but was killed in cold blood, unlikely but possibleMay 04 23:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft, Juniper refuse to patch dangerous IPv6 hole (Network World): http://bit.ly/k3FG5WMay 04 23:06
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wayneborean/status/65898690438627329May 04 23:08
TechrightsBot-tr@wayneborean: @schestowitz Damn, gotta download & test Mepis too!May 04 23:08
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DaemonFCTron Legacy, not as good as the firstMay 04 23:13
DaemonFCbut sequels don't tend to be :PMay 04 23:13
GoForbes28DaemonFC: Still haven't seen itMay 04 23:15
DaemonFCRedbox has it on Blu Ray alreadyMay 04 23:16
DaemonFCthat should have been a hint :)May 04 23:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Trying out !bitcoin -- 16Gm6e5mvfvDU3mPGdwY3pe2WwucZ2yedaMay 04 23:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] ♺ @trombonechamp: @mattl You need a Statusnet plugin to automatically append "sent from my [random horse name]" to the end of every messageMay 04 23:16
DaemonFCI got my $1.50's worth :)May 04 23:16
GoForbes28I don't even have BluRay :PMay 04 23:16
GoForbes28The last movie I bought on DVD was 2010May 04 23:17
GoForbes28I'm not really a collector in that senseMay 04 23:17
DaemonFCI still have that Samsung player that I had to bug them aboutMay 04 23:17
DaemonFCit runs Linux and a bunch of other GPL'd software but they didn't provide any source codeMay 04 23:17
DaemonFCthe player had been out about 6 months at that pointMay 04 23:18
DaemonFCso I hassled them about it and they put up the source bundle on their websiteMay 04 23:18
MinceRgnMay 04 23:19
DaemonFCand they've even been keeping it up to date as they release new firmwareMay 04 23:19
DaemonFCthe player uses Linux 2.6.28May 04 23:20
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DaemonFCit uses the gphoto library to display images, but the menus interface is QTMay 04 23:20
DaemonFCand the internal flash memory (for things like bookmark storage and new firmwares) is XFSMay 04 23:20
DaemonFC:)May 04 23:20
DaemonFC*using XFSMay 04 23:20
DaemonFCthe only reason I know the menus are QT is because I asked them about itMay 04 23:21
DaemonFCwhy there was no source for that stuff, turns out they bought a GPL exception for itMay 04 23:22
DaemonFCOKMay 04 23:22
DaemonFC:PMay 04 23:22
DaemonFCRMS oddly enough says he's OK with thoseMay 04 23:22
*DaemonFC can't figure out why he's OK with paying for GPL exceptions but not firmware that runs on an add-on cardMay 04 23:22
DaemonFCneither one is actually a GPL violationMay 04 23:23
DaemonFCI think loadable firmware that runs on a device is more legitimate than a GPL exceptionMay 04 23:23
DaemonFCbut both are allowed under copyright lawMay 04 23:23
DaemonFCthe firmware is not a derivative work of the Linux kernel and doesn't qualify under the derivatives work ruleMay 04 23:24
DaemonFCand projects with copyright assignments can license the entire project however they wantMay 04 23:24
DaemonFCthat means Unity could be proprietary software someday without a GPL option at allMay 04 23:24
DaemonFCand anyone who gave Canonical code can't argue with thatMay 04 23:25
MinceRfree code goes in, proprietary code comes out. you can't argue with that!May 04 23:26
DaemonFCI don't get the double standard. Why is it (according to the FSF), perfectly fine that my video card doesn't work in Gnewsense, but they agree that Samsung doesn't have to fork over any of their internal modifications to QTMay 04 23:26
Diablo-D3stuff goes up, stuff comes down, you cant argue with thatMay 04 23:26
Diablo-D3glenn beck raped a women in 1991, you cant argue with that.... just a memo, this is a no spin zoneMay 04 23:26
DaemonFCMinceR, I think that if anything, they should be frowning on GPL exceptions more than firmware blobs that only run on a particular deviceMay 04 23:27
DaemonFCthey want to feel like they have end to end control over what the system does, but devices with firmware hard coded into the ROM aren't any more free than a device with updateable firmwareMay 04 23:28
DaemonFCthe only real difference is whether the user has to put up with bugs that cannot be fixed by anyone, including the manufacturer (hard coded ROM)May 04 23:29
DaemonFCor if the user can one day look forward to the firmware being updated by the manufacturer (firmware blob)May 04 23:29
DaemonFCa modern Radeon isn't really that dependent on firmware, I think an evergreen chipset only needs like 5 KBMay 04 23:30
DaemonFCthe reason Nouveau went and made their own custom firmwares (ten times larger) for Nvidia cards is because Nvidia never allowed theirs to be distributed outside of their own driverMay 04 23:31
DaemonFCso if it's really so important that everything on the device be free software, why couldn't the FSF sponsor a Radeon firmware reverse engineering instead of disabling all Radeon cards in Gnewsense?May 04 23:31
DaemonFC:)May 04 23:32
DaemonFC*cough* political statementMay 04 23:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @aurium: Aê @holoscopio !!! ♻ Os primeiros brasuinos estão prontos# http://ur1.ca/42y21 #openhardwareMay 04 23:32
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DaemonFCthey take on "high priority free software" projects all the time that never do anything useful or never get a single line of code written at allMay 04 23:33
DaemonFCwhat's one more?May 04 23:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #AV was always the least the gravy train passengers would accept http://is.gd/gwKSxg if the choice was #PR or #FPTP it'd be a landslideMay 04 23:34
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DaemonFCthe FSF is more of a peanut gallery than a free software producerMay 04 23:34
DaemonFCthey like to write essays telling everyone else what to do with their projectsMay 04 23:34
DaemonFC:)May 04 23:34
GoForbes28DaemonFC: Who says they aren't doing both with the ATi cards?May 04 23:35
DaemonFCthere's no such projectMay 04 23:35
GoForbes28I find it hard to believe that no one in the whole world is not trying to reverse engineer or bypass the blobsMay 04 23:35
DaemonFCapparently they'd rather just strip out the redistributable 5 KB firmware blob than write their own and make the card work as well as it does in any other distribution May 04 23:35
GoForbes28Ok, if they did both, would you be ok with that?May 04 23:36
GoForbes28And you must admit, a lot of what RMS writes is compelling at least.May 04 23:36
DaemonFCnew math | If you want your $500 Radeon to be a $500 framebuffer over 5000 bytes of firmware, use a FSF sponsored Linux distributionMay 04 23:36
DaemonFCB-)May 04 23:36
GoForbes28for example, the intellectual property articleMay 04 23:37
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DaemonFCsome of what he writes is obviousMay 04 23:37
DaemonFCother things he writes venture off into lunacy May 04 23:37
GoForbes28I think I've must have read the common sense articlesMay 04 23:37
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GoForbes28like trusted computingMay 04 23:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "Happiness is a warm bum" oh how the Beatles could have played with that title ;PMay 04 23:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "bum" being "butt" for US readersMay 04 23:37
DaemonFCobviously you can't trust proprietary software, because it hides how it worksMay 04 23:38
DaemonFCok, that makes senseMay 04 23:38
DaemonFCobviously proprietary software hides bugs, workarounds for bugs, and is bloated (Theo de Raadt said that one)May 04 23:38
DaemonFCalso correct May 04 23:38
DaemonFCwhy can't they just BOTH be right? :)May 04 23:38
DaemonFCoh they are, in those casesMay 04 23:38
DaemonFCAccording to my rough estimation, AMD's Catalyst for Linux is about 30 times bigger than it should beMay 04 23:39
DaemonFCgiven what it doesMay 04 23:39
DaemonFCthat's kind of scary :)May 04 23:39
amarsh04the folks in #radeon state that power control code in the catalyst driver is bigger than the entire free driverMay 04 23:40
DaemonFCThere's also proprietary software with competent developers that respond to bug reports and remove stupid things that are obsolete and add features that real people useMay 04 23:40
DaemonFClike OperaMay 04 23:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I am contemplating #Arch for my netbook, tried a few times & failed. Since seen a video, to find I was WAY overcomplicating itMay 04 23:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @revistaespiritolivre: Fórum s/ Software Livre: chamada para participação: http://foruns.bc.unicamp.br/ Dia 12/05, a partir das 9 @isleneMay 04 23:41
DaemonFCit's not technically incompetent, but it still hides what it is up toMay 04 23:41
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DaemonFCamarsh04, They're right!May 04 23:41
DaemonFCB-)May 04 23:41
DaemonFCFGLRX is just enormous May 04 23:41
DaemonFCnot because it does a lot of stuff, but because code has obviously amassed that no longer makes any sense at allMay 04 23:42
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/acurrie/status/65825318899949568May 04 23:42
TechrightsBot-tr@acurrie: Elop, the rockstar CEO du jour: Hijacks #Nokia, hands Ballmer the keys & awaits next assignment. http://ur1.ca/42xt4 via @shestowitz #dys132May 04 23:42
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DaemonFCand in many cases they can't or won't use the existing functionality in X and Linux and ship their own versionMay 04 23:42
DaemonFCneglect has turned FGLRX obese May 04 23:43
DaemonFCneglect and internal politics of ATI/AMDMay 04 23:43
DaemonFCamarsh04, And Not only is the power management code alone in FGLRX bigger than the entire DRM and DRI and Gallium3d stack combined (which also supports a lot of non-AMD cards)....May 04 23:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @marcelobranco: RT @mobilizacaobr: Apoiamos a saída de Ana de Hollanda do MinC http://is.gd/7VWfZD #CulturaDigital #ccMay 04 23:44
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DaemonFCthe power management in FGLRX has a lot of bugsMay 04 23:44
DaemonFClike you know, your monitor won't wake up from sleepMay 04 23:44
DaemonFCor your computer freezes when you resume from suspend because their hack to get X to set the video mode doesn't work (sometimes. probably a race condition)May 04 23:45
*amarsh04 only found out in the last few days that the linux 'perf' command even works on his PII-266 machineMay 04 23:45
DaemonFCand all sort of other terrible things that the free driver does not doMay 04 23:45
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sbrown1992hey thereMay 04 23:46
DaemonFCryan@ryan-MS-7501:~$ uname -aMay 04 23:46
DaemonFCLinux ryan-MS-7501 2.6.39-rc6-ryan1 #1 SMP Wed May 4 01:48:11 EDT 2011 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/LinuxMay 04 23:46
DaemonFCI also have all of the drm-next and drm-core-next stuffMay 04 23:46
sbrown1992i'm looking for some free software blogs to add to my rssMay 04 23:46
sbrown1992does anyone have any recommendations?May 04 23:46
DaemonFCand the latest Gallium3d stuff using LLVM to compile shader codeMay 04 23:47
Diablo-D3honestly... nope.May 04 23:47
DaemonFCamarsh04, it's about 3-4 times faster than the stack in Ubuntu NattyMay 04 23:47
DaemonFCand supports about 30 new GL extensions (counting all the ARB texture compression onesMay 04 23:48
DaemonFCyou don't get that with Ubuntu :)May 04 23:48
sbrown1992ah well, thanks anyway :)May 04 23:48
DaemonFCloading an OpenGL app that doesn't work on my system is pretty rareMay 04 23:48
amarsh04sounds good... I've kept my radeon-related stuff at Debian experimental... May 04 23:48
DaemonFCamarsh04, AutoCAD works in Wine :PMay 04 23:49
DaemonFCat least the 2008 editionMay 04 23:49
DaemonFCsurprisingly well in factMay 04 23:49
GoForbes28DaemonFC: REturning to OperaMay 04 23:49
amarsh04not a bad effortMay 04 23:50
GoForbes28you also have to consider the size of Opera as a compnayMay 04 23:50
GoForbes28it is small, so they don't have the luxury of a bad productMay 04 23:50
DaemonFCGoForbes28, They're not huge, they've never had a reason to make code that doesn't work well across platforms or bloat Opera with useless thingsMay 04 23:50
DaemonFCrightMay 04 23:50
amarsh042.6.39-rc6-git1 is already outMay 04 23:50
GoForbes28the quality and adhesion to web standards is what makes Opera stands outMay 04 23:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] RSVP for a free panel with @EFF @SDACLU & Privacy Rights Clearinghouse (@PrivacyToday) in SoCal https://eff.org/r.48AMay 04 23:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] @fontana Why should new Kernel contributions we GPLv2 only? Surely that just compounds the problem?May 04 23:51
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GoForbes28If however, Opera got bigger, I think the proprietary negative element would begin to showMay 04 23:51
DaemonFCwonder if it has anything I care aboutMay 04 23:51
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/wayneborean/statuses/65898690438627329May 04 23:51
TechrightsBot-tr@wayneborean: @schestowitz Damn, gotta download & test Mepis too!May 04 23:51
DaemonFCamarsh04, It's a regressionMay 04 23:52
schestowitzWatch Mono boosters trying to incite journos against me: http://twitter.com/verofakto/statuses/65870919716974592May 04 23:52
TechrightsBot-tr@verofakto: @sarahsmith328 Make sure you read everything carefully; most of what @schestowitz writes is factually wrong or filled with ideological failMay 04 23:52
schestowitzLOLMay 04 23:52
amarsh04doesn't opera mini just use a proxy to help render the web pageMay 04 23:52
DaemonFCsome asshole must have had problems with the drm-fixes May 04 23:52
schestowitzHow pathetic of themMay 04 23:52
DaemonFCgreat, now I get to maintain patches that Linus has kicked backMay 04 23:53
schestowitzShe just ignore the anonymous coward :-) http://twitter.com/sarahsmith328May 04 23:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 4/5/2011: KDE Publishes 2010 Report, Red Hat Eyes $1 Billion in Revenue http://is.gd/nxgMNT !techrightsMay 04 23:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Links 4/5/2011: KDE Publishes 2010 Report, Red Hat Eyes $1 Billion in Revenue http://is.gd/nxgMNT #techrightsMay 04 23:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Drawbridge: #Microsoft has released new details on an experimental operating system concept http://ow.ly/4NpwOMay 04 23:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 137 million downloads on 2011-05-04 22:52 UTCMay 04 23:54
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DaemonFCthis is weirdMay 04 23:54
DaemonFChe didn't revert themMay 04 23:55
DaemonFCbut the git1 patch removes themMay 04 23:55
*DaemonFC is going to hold off and see what is going on hereMay 04 23:55
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DaemonFCI keep drm-fixes in a subfolder May 04 23:56
DaemonFCbecause I only really need to carry them until Linux merges themMay 04 23:56
DaemonFC*linusMay 04 23:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @maquedam: RT @dbd PCWord covers digital *restrictions* management for Day Against DRM: http://ur1.ca/42z0i #nodrmMay 04 23:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Cloud Leaders Join !RedHat’s Open Platform-as-a-Service Ecosystem - BradentonHerald http://ping.fm/bC6lWMay 04 23:57
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DaemonFCI think what happened is Linus merged these, it took a while to show up in his treeMay 04 23:58
DaemonFCand the git1 patch was created automatically and reverts the patchesMay 04 23:58
DaemonFCso they only real fix in rc6-git1 is to /fs/logfs/super.c May 04 23:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @carwinb Carwin Columbia School of Journalism. Front Row. Awesome. #Wikileaks http://ur1.ca/42zb8May 04 23:59
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DaemonFCand the rest revert to older buggier Radeon driver filesMay 04 23:59
DaemonFCamarsh04, No thanks B-)May 04 23:59

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