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schestowitznot that I would try...May 09 00:00
schestowitzmorbid songsMay 09 00:00
icelogic_i think you mean alkselser in bread no?May 09 00:00
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cubezzztum tum tum tum TUMS! BOOM!May 09 00:01
Ziomatrixicelogic_: yea, I you're right. Its been so long since I heard about killing pigeonsMay 09 00:02
ThistleWebI'm trying to get the input device setMay 09 00:03
twitter1I don't think anything should try eating tumsMay 09 00:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @thp4: Today's hack: That Rabbit Game ported to #webOS: / pure OpenGL ES 1.1 and SDL :) #trgMay 09 00:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Cluster bomb victim speaks out 09 00:06
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cubezzz!google swallow alka selzerMay 09 00:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Just listening to !lo 205. !Unity did seem a lot more stable in the final version @methoddan but I still didn't really like it. All ..May 09 00:10
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schestowitzhi, msb_May 09 00:15
msb_Hi Roy!!!May 09 00:16
msb_schestowitz: Mark S Bilk here -- cosmicpenguin.comMay 09 00:16
msb_schestowitz: A big fan of your former news service on c.o.l.a.  It was the best thing on there!May 09 00:16
msb_schestowitz: Er, you're not just a bot, are you?May 09 00:18
schestowitz 09 00:20
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mozilla Refuses to Help Censor the Internet | PCWorld .::. Size~: 97.22 KBMay 09 00:20
schestowitzmsb_: hi!May 09 00:20
schestowitzThanks, yes, I stopped in COLA last JulyMay 09 00:21
msb_schestowitz: Hey Roy!May 09 00:21
schestowitzIt was a lot of work bundling linksMay 09 00:21
schestowitzI still post them daily in a siteMay 09 00:21
msb_I can imagine.  But it was very good info!May 09 00:21
msb_in 09 00:22
schestowitzyes, let me get a linkMay 09 00:23
schestowitz 09 00:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle: News Roundup | Techrights .::. Size~: 416.83 KBMay 09 00:23
schestowitzover 1600 such posts so farMay 09 00:23
schestowitzWe don't have a trolls problemMay 09 00:23
msb_Excellent!May 09 00:23
schestowitzAnd we're receptive to new ideasMay 09 00:23
schestowitzGroklaw shuts down next weekMay 09 00:24
msb_I think I've discovered something big -- Microsoft sabotaging Linux via KDE4.May 09 00:24
schestowitzAnd we hpe to attract more followersMay 09 00:24
schestowitzmsb_: via Nokia?May 09 00:24
msb_via NovellMay 09 00:24
msb_Novell financed the development of KDE4.May 09 00:25
Ziomatrixschestowitz: I wonder if you can attract any writers from there too?May 09 00:25
schestowitzmsb_: part of itMay 09 00:25
schestowitzmsb_: what did they do to kde4?May 09 00:25
schestowitzstart menu asideMay 09 00:25
schestowitzMicrosoft probably has patents related to itMay 09 00:26
schestowitzSLAB is Novell's (2005 or  06)May 09 00:26
msb_The fundamental design philosophy of KDE4 was determined by focus groups populated by people off the street -- basically naive ms-windows users.May 09 00:26
schestowitzlike the registry?May 09 00:26
schestowitzkde4 is more modualr than winodwMay 09 00:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Here's the thing: Windows 7, MacOSX Leopard, Gnome 3, KDE 4, Unity; I don' t like any of these Desktops, so I guess it must be my fault?May 09 00:26
Ziomatrixschestowitz: ironic as MS is known for their groundbreaking court case that stated you cannot make patents or sue based on the look and feel of softwareMay 09 00:26
schestowitz*windowsMay 09 00:26
msb_The result was, KDE4 emphasizes a very complex system of color themes, and de-emphasizes things needed by power users.May 09 00:27
cubezzzmsb_, I still ue KDE 3.5.10May 09 00:27
cubezzzuseMay 09 00:27
schestowitzZiomatrix: Microsoft has an OS called Windows, so any program with windows in it must eb a ripoffs of Microsoft's great work /sarcasmMay 09 00:27
msb_I'm using KDE3 also.May 09 00:27
cubezzzwhich distro?May 09 00:27
schestowitz*be *ripoffMay 09 00:27
msb_I use 20 desktops, organized for tasks like Mail, Music, TV, NZB, etc.May 09 00:28
Ziomatrixschestowitz: the thing is though many posters of Groklaw are John Does.May 09 00:28
cubezzzok, but which distro with KDE 3+?May 09 00:28
msb_er, OpenSuseMay 09 00:28
cubezzzI keep a list of them... ah okMay 09 00:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @mairin 20-something news reporter hanging around teenagers suspect enough; then you find out they are mutant turtles and it gets ver ...May 09 00:28
schestowitzmsb_: what's missing in kde 4.6 which was in kde 3.5.x?May 09 00:28
cubezzzspeed :)May 09 00:28
msb_A desktop-pager (switcher) in which the desktop names are _readable_!!!May 09 00:28
schestowitzthey've sort of backported almost everythingMay 09 00:28
schestowitzin some ways on my hardware kde feels faster than kde 3 on mancdriva 2008.1May 09 00:29
cubezzzright, but try KDE 4+ on older hardware and you'll see the slownessMay 09 00:29
cubezzzand on low memory machines, forget KDE altogetherMay 09 00:30
Ziomatrixcubezzz: hence XFCEMay 09 00:30
msb_The buttons in the desktop-pager applet of KDE4 have dark text against dark backgrounds, and each button has multiple dark rectangles in it representing the shapes of the windows in that desktop.May 09 00:30
cubezzzsure, lots of good DE's ZiomatrixMay 09 00:30
msb_So the names of the desktops in the desktop-pager are utterly unreadable.  This cripples KDE4 for power users.May 09 00:31
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schestowitzmsb_: change themeMay 09 00:32
schestowitzoxygen is good but there are betteMay 09 00:32
msb_Also, all the BS about plasma, plasmoids, plasma-desktop etc.  And weird ways to alter settings of things instead of the classic right-click.May 09 00:32
schestowitzI like plasmaMay 09 00:32
schestowitzIt's polished since 4.4May 09 00:33
msb_schestowitz: I tried lots of themes, helped by various opensuse people.  We couldn't find one with a readable desktop-pager.May 09 00:33
schestowitzshows me many meters and fun stuff with folderview (excellent innovation)May 09 00:33
schestowitzpagers in kde3 were betterMay 09 00:33
schestowitznotably kpagerMay 09 00:33
schestowitzin kde4 it's trickyMay 09 00:33
schestowitzSo I use scale plugin and other 3d stuffMay 09 00:34
msb_Also, KDE4 insists on the phonon audio system, which doesn't work with my few years old Asus mobo.May 09 00:34
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TechrightsBot-trTitle:  » Blog Archive   » KWin Wall on Dual-Head Displays .::. Size~: 34.27 KBMay 09 00:34
schestowitz3d is very fast in kde4May 09 00:34
msb_So I'm using KDE3 and good old ALSA.May 09 00:34
schestowitzkde3 with compiz sucks in comparisonMay 09 00:34
schestowitzwithout 3d kde4 is slowMay 09 00:35
schestowitzwindows re-renderedMay 09 00:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Upside down Beagle :) He looks like he was poured onto the couch.May 09 00:35
msb_I never use compiz or desktop-effects.  Wibble-wobble windows make me nauseous.May 09 00:35
schestowitzsound in kde3 with pulseaudio sometimes gave me troubleMay 09 00:35
cubezzzsame hereMay 09 00:35
schestowitzNow its perfectMay 09 00:35
cubezzzre: compizMay 09 00:35
schestowitzin mandriva I had to retsrt kde soemtimes due to audio issuesMay 09 00:36
msb_pulseaudio didn't work for me either, as of a couple months ago.May 09 00:36
schestowitzNow I never restart kdeMay 09 00:36
schestowitzI last restarted kde in March 29thMay 09 00:36
schestowitzStill running the same kde sessionMay 09 00:36
schestowitzmsb_: go get fedora 15 kde spinMay 09 00:36
msb_I use some kde4 apps, which have been improved -- konsole, klipper, the system-monitorMay 09 00:36
schestowitzmaybe it's time to upgradeMay 09 00:37
schestowitzklipper improved?May 09 00:37
msb_schestowitz: what is kde spin?May 09 00:37
schestowitzIIRC kde3 still had search as you typeMay 09 00:37
schestowitzand system-monitor is just looking better nowMay 09 00:37
schestowitz!google fedora 15 kde spinMay 09 00:37
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - [Fedora-spins] [spin-kickstarts] fedora-live-kde.ks (2G): Add ... | 09 00:37
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Features/KDE46 - FedoraProject | 09 00:37
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - YouTube - Fedora 14 (Laughlin) Final Release Screencast (KDE Spin) | 09 00:37
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Fedora Spin: KDE Desktop – Jeff Duntemann's Contrapositive Diary | 09 00:37
schestowitzkde4 does fast transluency 09 00:38
TechrightsBot-trNot a web page! Aborting image/png typeMay 09 00:38
msb_It's very important to me to load the mouse clipboard with text.  I used to do that with the xselection program, which no longer works.  Now I can do it with a qdbus call to kde4 klipper.May 09 00:39
cubezzzwell I want trans-operating system network clipboard :)May 09 00:39
cubezzzwhich I do with text filesMay 09 00:39
msb_I have a very simple but powerful script that loads the clipboard with the full pathname of a file in the current directory.  This takes only a couple of keystrokes in the mc filemanager.May 09 00:40
msb_One can then go to any other directory and cp or mv that file.  Text-mode drag and drop!May 09 00:41
msb_Very convenient and powerful!May 09 00:41
msb_In my various desktops I have lots of konsoles with mc running in them focused on various relevant directories for the work I do in each desktop.May 09 00:43
cubezzzyeah konsole is goodMay 09 00:46
cubezzzhave ssh sessions with konsole tabs with a different colour for each machineMay 09 00:46
msb_cubezzz: Nice!May 09 00:46
cubezzz;-)May 09 00:46
cubezzzbut I have to consider other operating systems as wellMay 09 00:47
schestowitz[00:41] <msb_> One can then go to any other directory and cp or mv that file.  Text-mode drag and drop!May 09 00:47
schestowitzSounds handyMay 09 00:47
cubezzzwhich do not have konsole or even sshMay 09 00:47
schestowitzI try to get used to fish://May 09 00:47
schestowitzToo much CLIing is not goodMay 09 00:48
msb_schestowitz: Yes, I use it many times a day.May 09 00:48
schestowitzesp. when you wan to toggle prticular files to delete from a listMay 09 00:48
schestowitzCLI is very bad if there's no wildcard for itMay 09 00:48
cubezzzyou can do thatMay 09 00:48
schestowitzcomplemetaryMay 09 00:48
msb_schestowitz: Correct.  Fortunately there's no such thing as too much CLIing!May 09 00:48
cubezzzI better get some exercise soonMay 09 00:49
schestowitzcubezzz: well, can double click filenames, then middle buttonMay 09 00:49
cubezzzback in 1/2 hourMay 09 00:49
schestowitzto make the list of files to deal with.May 09 00:49
schestowitzkde4 has a nicer itemMay 09 00:49
schestowitzwhere you tick for selectionMay 09 00:49
schestowitzrather than ctrl+shifting stuffMay 09 00:49
schestowitzso you don't easily lose selection (cannot be undone)May 09 00:49
msb_I just use the mc filemanager.  It's very versatile.May 09 00:49
cubezzzschestowitz, rm !(test)May 09 00:49
schestowitzi used norton commanderMay 09 00:50
cubezzz;-)May 09 00:50
schestowitzbut stopped aound win95May 09 00:50
schestowitzwhen they tried making it graphicalMay 09 00:50
cubezzzshopt -s extglobMay 09 00:50
cubezzzanyways, back laterMay 09 00:50
schestowitzI just use two konq windowsMay 09 00:50
msb_I used to use XTREE in DOS.  Took it with me on a floppy wherever I went.May 09 00:50
schestowitzmy desktop is huge, I can do more than two side, but nom tabbing to shift windowsMay 09 00:50
cubezzzbtw the PC floppy controller sucksMay 09 00:51
schestowitzcan alt+tab for same desktopMay 09 00:51
cubezzzok, now I'm gone for sure :)May 09 00:51
schestowitzhehMay 09 00:51
msb_See ya cubezzz!May 09 00:51
schestowitzcubezzz has to go to...May 09 00:51
schestowitzWell..May 09 00:51
schestowitzhe has to goMay 09 00:51
schestowitz:-)May 09 00:51
msb_I used to have dozens of great free DOS utilities in categories.  I carried them around on floppies too when I went consulting.May 09 00:54
msb_Now Linux has everything like that.May 09 00:54
schestowitzI still have some in ~/main/programs/something..May 09 00:54
msb_The modular software erector set.May 09 00:54
schestowitzI nevr use them, but they are small filesMay 09 00:54
schestowitzARJ.exe :-)May 09 00:55
schestowitz 09 00:55
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Faster Than a Speeding Mainstream Media | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 46.26 KBMay 09 00:55
schestowitznow they need a new boogeyman May 09 00:56
msb_Yah.  I have a copy of my old huge 500MB DOS disk.  Now smaller than a single movie.May 09 00:56
schestowitzThey still have LibyaMay 09 00:56
schestowitzAfter they failedMay 09 00:56
schestowitzNATO bombed a bunch of kidsMay 09 00:56
msb_You know that Osama died in 2001, right?May 09 00:56
schestowitzSo they needed to bury the news with Osama huntingMay 09 00:56
schestowitzmsb_: maybeMay 09 00:57
schestowitzI didn't see the claims of the body being fakeMay 09 00:57
msb_Pakistani newspapers said so -- complications of Marfan's Syndrome.May 09 00:57
msb_Madeline Albright -- Clinton's Secy of State -- said so a couple of years later.May 09 00:57
msb_The US govt put out at least two faked videos of OBL.  One was a video of him talking at a wedding, but the sound -- threats of evil -- didn't match his lip movements.May 09 00:58
msb_Another used a guy who didn't look anything like him, but the lips matched the threats.May 09 00:59
msb_These were supposedly found in caves by our noble troops (i.e., invaders who murdered 1,000,000 people in this round alone).May 09 01:00
msb_If you think the planes that flew into the World Trade Center is what caused them to collapse, please read the 911 section in 09 01:01
msb_It was implanted explosives above-ground and thermite below.May 09 01:02
msb_We are living in The Matrix.May 09 01:03
Ziomatrixschestowitz: Don't blame the latest NATO efforts in Libya on US, you got Nicloean Sarkozy for that.May 09 01:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good evening !IdentiverseMay 09 01:05
msb_Wasn't Sarkozy known as an outright Fascist some years ago?May 09 01:05
Ender2070yeahMay 09 01:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Heh. Rose is telling Ian he needs to wash his face, as only Rose can. She's trying to lick his face clean :)May 09 01:06
Ender2070Qaddafi funded him tooMay 09 01:06
Ziomatrixmsb_: I don't know about fascist but he is one of the most right wing presidents elected in France since De Gaule.May 09 01:07
msb_Qaddafi funded Sarkozy???May 09 01:07
Ziomatrixmsb_: actually I can't say for sure Charles De Gaule was technically ellectedMay 09 01:07
ZiomatrixEnder2070: its one of the East meets West love hate relationships like what Bush Sr had with SaddamMay 09 01:08
ZiomatrixEnder2070: I thought the current Italian premier has closer relations to Quadaffi and his family thoughMay 09 01:09
ZiomatrixEnder2070: his party proclaims to be outright fascist. May 09 01:10
Ziomatrixbtw, has anyone here tried WINE to run games?May 09 01:11
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msb_I was going to say, how can France and Italy go Fascist?  But the U.S. has, so...May 09 01:11
msb_I ran utorrent with it once.May 09 01:12
Ziomatrixmsb_: US suffers from acute cronism, I wouldn't call it fascist yet or else there would be no need for corporations to pay off politicians and lobby for the best descisions in court to begin with.May 09 01:12
Ziomatrixmsb_: is there traces of imperialsm within American foriegn policy when it comes to support what politicians look at as large domestic business abroad, certainly. But that kind of activity has gone on in almost any powerful nations with a strong private economy.May 09 01:13
msb_Ziomatrix: It's much more than traces in this nation that claims to be the center of democracy of the World.  Please look at the linked sites here: 09 01:15
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msb_That's just post WWII.  Then there's the fact that 75% of Hitler's financing for his military buildup came from wealthy businessmen in the U.S.May 09 01:18
schestowitzmsb_: some of those claims are exaggerated by the likes of the EvangelicalsMay 09 01:19
schestowitzThey are exploiting people's unrest to fight the class warMay 09 01:19
Ziomatrixmsb_: if you think the US is fascist then we have been so since the days of John D Rockafeller. The US utilizes the assets of large business when it comes to helping fund and even commit to foriegn as well as domestic policy when it saw fit. Once big business served its purpose officials were ellected and were able to carry out laws to break them up. It happened with standard oil, AT&T and it will probably bite Microsoft May 09 01:19
Ziomatrixmsb_: can we go back to chatting about Linux now?May 09 01:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @tiffanyreisz I want to wish a very special Happy Mother's Day to all moms of gay & transgender kids who support their kids 100%May 09 01:20
schestowitzI will post some Daily Links laterMay 09 01:20
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Ziomatrixmsb_: IBM and others saw Hitler as a big customer. Just as Ford and GM were bidding to get the Empire of Japan to purchase their trucks as they saw they needed plenty to occupy China before Pearl Harbor.May 09 01:21
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schestowitzZiomatrix: that was before the warMay 09 01:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] RT @q4td “Your mobile phone has more computing power than all of NASA in 1969. NASA launched a man to the moon. We launch a bird into pi ...May 09 01:23
msb_Mainly these US businessmen wanted to kill off socialism, social democracy, trade-unionism, and just plain democracy wherever they could in the world, so they could go in, take the natural resources, and use the population as slave labor, paying them very little.  The fascist puppet dictators they set up in those countries would simply kill any workers who tried to organize.May 09 01:23
schestowitzBased on what they knew at the time they did not help an enemyMay 09 01:23
schestowitzSame with the Bushes selling weaponsMay 09 01:24
schestowitzand IBM's 'people-counting' machinesMay 09 01:24
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schestowitzGoebbel even had chats with the US president/s IIRC May 09 01:24
schestowitzThat was before the war thoughMay 09 01:25
Ziomatrixmsb_: mind you the first automobile plant in China was built in 1913 by Ford thanks to the RoC opening up the doors to US companies in light of their support.May 09 01:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Congress Bans Scientific Collaboration with China, Cites High Espionage Risks !scienceMay 09 01:25
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msb_Socialism, social democracy, trade-unionism, and democracy were their enemies.  And so they directed Hitler to attack those who organized these movements.May 09 01:25
schestowitzthe US also sold weapons to countries it later attacked (Iraq for example)May 09 01:25
schestowitzOr to Osama's men when they fought the SovietsMay 09 01:25
msb_schestowitz: Absolutely!May 09 01:26
msb_The US fomented the Iran-Iraq war.May 09 01:26
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msb_Also, GHW Bush actually asked Saddam to attack Kuwait to get it to stop selling so much oil which was depressing the price.May 09 01:27
Ziomatrixschestowitz: Osama Bin Laden was a notable person among the Mujahadeen for his procurment, intelligence and other skills, but he wasn't the only leader.May 09 01:27
Ziomatrixschestowitz: the whole civil war after that resulted in the Taliban taking over was a result in the fact that there was no unity once the Soviets were gone.May 09 01:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @mattcornell Obama says OBL mission successful b/c "there were no leaks," laying ground 4 @wikileaks + Manning prosecution !freeBradleyMay 09 01:28
schestowitz[01:27] <msb_> Also, GHW Bush actually asked Saddam to attack Kuwait to get it to stop selling so much oil which was depressing the price.May 09 01:29
schestowitznoMay 09 01:29
schestowitzthey gave im permission maybeMay 09 01:29
schestowitzbased on wikileaksMay 09 01:29
schestowitzbut not asked him toMay 09 01:29
msb_So a nation that had a decent secular government with full rights for women was replaced with one in which the women are forced to wear burqas and have no rights.May 09 01:29
schestowitzso now GI Joes will come in parachutesMay 09 01:30
Ziomatrixmsb_: I think most Americans at that point wanted oil prices to go down. It was a matter of a power play in OPEC among the Sheiks and Baathists or Arab Nationalists. The US made their choice clear whose side we're on once a close ally of Saudi Arabia was invaded.May 09 01:30
schestowitzTo save human rightsMay 09 01:30
schestowitz!google time cover aisha nose proapgandaMay 09 01:30
TechrightsBot-trNo Google resultsMay 09 01:30
schestowitz!google time cover aisha nose propgandaMay 09 01:30
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Afghan girl on Time cover a propaganda: Taliban | 09 01:30
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - AFP: Taliban dismiss Time cover as 'desperate propaganda' | 09 01:30
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Taliban dismiss Time cover as 'desperate propaganda' | 09 01:30
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Bibi Aisha, victim of the Taliban's political strategy | World ... | 09 01:30
Ziomatrixmsb_: thats how we roll when our number one supplier and buyer in the ME happens to be one of the most oppressive government in the world.May 09 01:31
msb_Ziomatrix: Yup.May 09 01:32
msb_And Israel ain't much better.May 09 01:32
Ziomatrixmsb_: I would consider it more to be the affects of the politics of a violtile region. You honestly think Saddam's rule over Iraq was all peaches and cream?May 09 01:33
Ziomatrixmsb_: considering that Israel inheritted a hostile populace from Egypt and Jordan after 1967 who's refugees could not go anywhere because surrounding countries' regimes refused to take them didn't help.May 09 01:34
msb_Ziomatrix: Not at all.  The US got rid of the democratic leader in Iraq and installed Saddam, a known torturer.May 09 01:34
msb_Ziomatrix: The Zionists had no right whatsoever to invade Palestine in 1948, and murder many thousands of Palestinians in that initial invasion alone.May 09 01:36
Ziomatrixmsb_: lol the last guy before Saddam wasn't put in democratically, he killed the last man who helped murder a  King who had some Imam blood in him but was still a British puppet.May 09 01:36
Ziomatrixmsb_: don't tell me Iraq was ever democraticMay 09 01:36
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msb_Bush asked Saddam to invade Kuwait: 09 01:39
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Ziomatrixmsb_: Zionists have been in Palestine since before 1948 and Jews even longer. Perhaps you should ask why the oldest Jewish communities in the old city and Hebron were driven out prior?May 09 01:39
msb_Jews lived peacefully in Palestine before the Zionist invasion.May 09 01:40
Ziomatrixmsb_: I guess the Jewish communities that settled in Mesopotamia since the times of Babylon were "invaders" too?May 09 01:41
msb_When the Palestinians found out that the Zionists were secretly buy up land from the Ottomans who had no right to claim it, some protests resulted.May 09 01:41
Ziomatrixmsb_: Then why did the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem want to break that?May 09 01:42
msb_The original biblical migration of the Jews into Palestine, involving the slaughter of the Canaanites (IIRC) was an invasion.May 09 01:42
msb_Ziomatrix: Wanted to break what?May 09 01:43
Ziomatrixmsb_: why were there Arab riots in Hebron and other places. What did the kibbutzes in Judea and Samaria do to deserve to be driven by Fedayeen in 1948?May 09 01:43
Ziomatrixmsb_: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem went to Nazi Germany in an attempt to procure arms with a dual purpose of helping arm Arab Nationalists against the British and also stated he wanted to wipe out all Jews within the Middle East.May 09 01:44
Ziomatrixmsb_: Was there a UN and Human Rights Commission during those times? ie biblical?May 09 01:45
msb_Ziomatrix: By that time the Palestinians were aware that the Zionists were secretly buying up land in Palestine, and presumably knew this was the precursor of an armed invasion.May 09 01:46
msb_Ziomatrix: No, there wasn't.  Does that make a genocidal invasion moral?May 09 01:46
Ziomatrixmsb_: I guess the first Pharaoh who united Egypt must have done so in a truly humanitarian way. That Hamarabi code is something to marvel at too.May 09 01:46
msb_Ziomatrix: I guess I should ask: What does the "Zio" in Ziomatrix signify?May 09 01:47
Ziomatrixmsb_: secretly? Many Zionists bought land to put up kibbutzes, farming communities. I don't think Tel Aviv was such a secret city. May 09 01:47
Ziomatrixmsb_: 09 01:48
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msb_Ziomatrix: In any case, the 1948 invasion was totally evil.  As was the subsequent and ongoing persecution of the Palestinians.May 09 01:49
schestowitzthere was no "invasion"May 09 01:49
Ziomatrixmsb_ and I just figure by removing the "n" it makes it sound catchier, its just a username.May 09 01:49
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schestowitzLook into BalfourMay 09 01:49
schestowitzI don't know where you get your history factsMay 09 01:49
Ziomatrixmsb_: the most erronious definition of what transpired in 1948 would be sectarian violence.May 09 01:50
schestowitzAn invasion suggest suddently in one year it was like the European taking over First PeopleMay 09 01:50
msb_schestowitz: Neither England nor the UN had any right to give any part of Palestine to anyone else.May 09 01:50
schestowitzRightMay 09 01:50
Ziomatrixmsb_: who else could have, the long gone Ottoman Empire?May 09 01:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Incredibly humid in #Boston. Going for a relaxing pint.May 09 01:51
msb_All of Palestine belonged to the Palestinians, and still does.  No one had the right to give any of it to the Zionists.May 09 01:52
Ziomatrixschestowitz: its interesting that who ever thought up the migration of Turks from Greece to Turkey and visa versa with the Greeks got the Noble Peace Prize even though today it would be considered ethnic cleansing. May 09 01:52
msb_So Balfour is irrelevant.May 09 01:52
Ziomatrixmsb_: so it belongs to who ever was a Palestinian Jew too?May 09 01:53
Ziomatrixmsb_: because that is what Zionists were pre-1948May 09 01:53
msb_Yes, the Palestinian Jews who lived there peacefully before the Zionist invasion had the right to stay there.May 09 01:54
Ziomatrixmsb_: ok, tell me where did this Zionist invasion come from?May 09 01:54
msb_No, the Zionists had planned from the beginning to expel or exterminate the Palestinians.May 09 01:54
Ziomatrixmsb_: even those who did were living in what was considered the mandate of Palestine, thus were Palestinians as their Arab enemies. Where is the invasion?May 09 01:55
msb_Here's a good history of Zionism, written by a Jew: 09 01:55
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Ziomatrixmsb_: I just want to ask where was the invasion? May 09 01:56
Ziomatrixmsb_: as in where did it come from?May 09 01:56
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msb_Ziomatrix: The Arab Palestinians, and a few Jews, were living there for at least 1,000 years.  It was their country.  Any "Mandate" was morally irrelevant.May 09 01:57
Ziomatrixmsb_: so then according to you where did this "Zionist invasion" come from and when?May 09 01:58
msb_Ziomatrix: I'm looking it up.May 09 01:59
schestowitzZiomatrix: I don't know enough about thatMay 09 02:00
Ziomatrixschestowitz: didn't we know for some time there were Mono boosters in Canonical? 09 02:00
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schestowitz[01:52] <msb_> All of Palestine belonged to the Palestinians, and still does.  May 09 02:01
schestowitzYou conflate Palestinian with Arabs, I thinkMay 09 02:01
schestowitzPalestine is a land, not ethnicityMay 09 02:01
msb_It was and is a country.  It had people living in it for centuries.  It belonged to those people.May 09 02:02
Ziomatrixschestowitz: indeed and he conflates Zionists with Jewish refugees from Europe. May 09 02:02
schestowitzZiomatrix: yes, they try to use Ubuntu as a carrierMay 09 02:02
schestowitzDebian tooMay 09 02:02
schestowitzmsb_: my understanding is that it was always a mixes Semite regionMay 09 02:03
schestowitzWhere genetically there was also a relationMay 09 02:03
schestowitzBar migrations fromm EuropeMay 09 02:03
schestowitzThese were increased after WW2 and just before thatMay 09 02:04
schestowitzwhat you do here is several things, I guessMay 09 02:04
schestowitzAssume that there was a one-year surgeMay 09 02:04
schestowitzDeny refuge to those who were houndedMay 09 02:04
schestowitzMind you:May 09 02:04
msb_Looks like the invasion was non-military originally, until enough Zionists were present.  Here's a good place to start, along with the chapters following: 09 02:04
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schestowitzI agree with you re BalfourMay 09 02:04
schestowitzBut you might not know that even a nation like Israel is about 25% ArabMay 09 02:05
schestowitzAnd people there speak Arabic as 2nd langMay 09 02:05
schestowitzThe 1967 border thing is another issueMay 09 02:05
Ziomatrixmsb_: the key problem with your logic is that if you considered Jewish refugees who simply wanted nothing more to do is leave from where their families and close relatives were killed behind for a better life in their opinion as invaders. Then what makes today's Palestinian refugees any less hostile?May 09 02:05
Ziomatrixmsb_: you have to be careful when making broad gernalizations and stereotypes.May 09 02:06
cubezzzthe one thing we always agree on... is that Microsoft suxMay 09 02:06
cubezzz;-)May 09 02:06
msb_Yes, and I think about 1.5 years ago the Israeli govt was bombarding the Palestinians they had crowded into the Gaza Strip with white phosphorus and other horrible weapons, killing 1,500 people, half of them children.May 09 02:07
schestowitzcubezzz: hehMay 09 02:07
Ziomatrixcubezzz: indeed, you can't refute their dirty policies unless you have interest in their profit. And even in that case they end up losing more then they make for the sake of dominating marketshare.May 09 02:07
schestowitzthere's a crazy govt. thereMay 09 02:07
schestowitzNo left left :-)May 09 02:07
schestowitzJust right wing zealots and religious extremists or centrists, who are weak. In a way, it's the same as the US situation..May 09 02:08
schestowitzObama the "left" is bombing more than Bush, some say...May 09 02:08
cubezzzI wouldn't say Obama is leftMay 09 02:08
schestowitzTaking pride in killing a defenceless thugMay 09 02:08
schestowitzcubezzz: exactlyMay 09 02:09
cubezzzcentralist maybeMay 09 02:09
schestowitzBut in the US they are considered left (the Democrats)May 09 02:09
Ziomatrixschestowitz: well Labor is down but not out. They got former Defence Minister Gabi Ashkenazi as their charlatan.May 09 02:09
schestowitzAsk liberals why they vote for him and they might mumble about "lost vote"May 09 02:09
schestowitzWhich means they don't really want "change" (not one we can believe in ;-) )May 09 02:09
schestowitzZiomatrix: don't know about that... poltiics in generalMay 09 02:10
schestowitzI know British EU and US politics betterMay 09 02:10
schestowitzBut the impression I get is that the ME is now filled with zealots inn partiesMay 09 02:10
schestowitzBased and hinged on religion and idealogyMay 09 02:10
schestowitzThey need to recognise similaritiesMay 09 02:11
Ziomatrixschestowitz: like I said its very muttled and in most cases politicians there make discision based more on the pragmatism of the moment then their political line.May 09 02:11
schestowitzAnd bury these genocidal 'scriptures' of theirsMay 09 02:11
cubezzztech issues seem simple by comparison to politicsMay 09 02:11
Ziomatrixschestowitz: its a Parliamentary system you know ;-)May 09 02:11
schestowitzMaybe then they'll start using their brains and not prejudicesMay 09 02:11
schestowitzSo is Iran, no?May 09 02:11
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schestowitzIt doesn't mean it functions wellMay 09 02:12
JordiGHschestowitz: Hey, Quad said you were interested in Octave.May 09 02:12
msb_The Zionists lobbied the US and England during WWII _not_ to accept Jewish refugees from Europe: 09 02:12
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Ziomatrixschestowitz: well that goes for both sides, perhaps the fact that Hamas is finally reconsiling with Fatah means that they'll finally be a united Palestinian government to negotiate with.May 09 02:12
schestowitzIn the US the senate is 'run' by lobbyists of banks and other large fronts for the wealth of the nation (rich people)May 09 02:12
JordiGHOh, you guys are busy.May 09 02:12
*JordiGH waits his turn.May 09 02:12
schestowitzJordiGH: yes, octave is goodMay 09 02:12
schestowitzBut lacks a few features I need at the momentMay 09 02:13
schestowitzlike PCAMay 09 02:13
JordiGHSomeone was asking about that, actually.May 09 02:13
schestowitzZiomatrix: thankfully many nations in the world embrace secularismMay 09 02:13
Ziomatrixschestowitz: I wouldn't consider British Parliament so clean either.May 09 02:13
schestowitzIt's usually immigration that drives in superstition againMay 09 02:13
cubezzzseparation of church and state is importantMay 09 02:13
schestowitzZiomatrix: it's notMay 09 02:14
schestowitznot just church :-)May 09 02:14
JordiGHschestowitz: I'd like to implement those missing features.May 09 02:14
schestowitzMosque tooMay 09 02:14
cubezzzjust like separation of education from microsoft is :)May 09 02:14
schestowitzhehMay 09 02:14
schestowitzTrueMay 09 02:14
schestowitzMicrosoft is like a religionMay 09 02:14
Ziomatrixschestowitz: Israel is basically secular, except for when it comes to Jewish marriages and family planning, in that regard a clique of rabbis run it with an iron fist. If an Israeli Jew wants to marry a non-Jew they would have to marry in Cyprus and have it considered as a "civil union" in Israel.May 09 02:14
schestowitzdefrag is a ritualMay 09 02:14
JordiGHschestowitz: Is it a matter of implementing missing Matlab functions?May 09 02:14
Ziomatrixschestowitz: at least Israel is one of the few countries in ME whose societies are largely tolderant to homosexuals.May 09 02:15
cubezzzlol defragMay 09 02:15
JordiGHlolMay 09 02:15
schestowitzZiomatrix: that's nonsenseMay 09 02:15
schestowitzIt's a religious country like the USMay 09 02:15
schestowitzWith probably vast majority of people believing in sky daddiesMay 09 02:15
cubezzzthe defragists are attacking our hard drives!May 09 02:15
schestowitzJordiGH: yesMay 09 02:15
JordiGHschestowitz: Which ones?May 09 02:16
schestowitzstats toolboxMay 09 02:16
*JordiGH will take a look.May 09 02:16
cubezzzjust look at Yugoslavia and IrelandMay 09 02:16
JordiGHPCA shouldn't be too hard, I don't think?May 09 02:16
Ziomatrixschestowitz: well thats one of the outcomes of what starts out democratically endorsed law. Is anyone going to complain if the new republics of Tunisia and Egypt are still going to consider Islam their state religion? May 09 02:16
cubezzzthey got broken upMay 09 02:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @fontana Depending on what you use the computer for it might be of use; when writing original words having the computer anticopate is #failMay 09 02:16
JordiGHThe hard work with svd was long ago implemented.May 09 02:16
msb_To me, except for some good teachings of Jesus, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all the same religion -- the JCI religion.  A murderous, vindictive male god in the sky who demands that people worship him, and that they murder anyone who won't worship him.May 09 02:17
cubezzzsounds like GatesMay 09 02:17
cubezzzexcept he just wants your moneyMay 09 02:17
cubezzzpay foreverMay 09 02:18
JordiGHThor's kinda cool, though.May 09 02:18
Ziomatrixcubezzz: isn't that what communion is for in churches?May 09 02:18
cubezzzZiomatrix, it's similar in some ways, yesMay 09 02:18
msb_Actually there's a great movie called Antitrust about a thinly-disguised Microsoft.May 09 02:18
schestowitz[02:18] <JordiGH> Thor's kinda cool, though.May 09 02:19
Ziomatrixmsb_: thats a good and dare I say quite funny movie, in a dark, parody kind of wayMay 09 02:19
schestowitzYeahMay 09 02:19
schestowitzThey  wield cool weapons, like x-men...May 09 02:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] I challenge you to identify a single film that would not be improved by the appearance of time-traveling dwarfs. #timebanditsMay 09 02:20
JordiGHThor isn't an x-man!May 09 02:20
cubezzzmsb_, except in the 10 commandments it _does_ say "Thou Shalt Not Kill"May 09 02:20
JordiGHHe's like... a god... but human... like Jesus... but with a hammer and a daddy complex.May 09 02:20
schestowitzthank goodness for the commandmentsMay 09 02:20
schestowitzWithout which people just went around slaughtering peopleMay 09 02:20
Ziomatrixcubezzz: its "Thou Shalt Not Kill, in cold blood" basically.May 09 02:20
schestowitzAnd engages in cannibalism :-)May 09 02:20
schestowitz*gedMay 09 02:20
Ziomatrixcubezzz: if the man or woman is an adulterer, stone em! ;-)May 09 02:21
schestowitzThe first three are all about serving invisible men and charlatans in 'famous' buildingMay 09 02:21
cubezzzyeah well, that part gets glossed over :)May 09 02:21
schestowitz"First, my son, gimme all your money"May 09 02:21
schestowitzThen..May 09 02:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @fontana so you only "used to love LaTeX" ? Why past tense?May 09 02:21
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schestowitz"Don't kill or steal from my other clientsMay 09 02:22
cubezzzwell to be fair, FSF asks for money tooMay 09 02:22
cubezzzbut Microsoft just takes it without askingMay 09 02:22
schestowitzchurch of emacsMay 09 02:22
JordiGHOh, hey, that bot is doing identi.caMay 09 02:22
schestowitzYeah, with Dell as the clergymanMay 09 02:22
*JordiGH subscribesMay 09 02:22
Ziomatrixcubezzz: MS doesn't just take it, they shalt command it! >:-DMay 09 02:22
schestowitzJordiGH: you're on identica?May 09 02:22
JordiGHYeah.May 09 02:22
cubezzz:-PMay 09 02:22
JordiGHSame nick.May 09 02:22
schestowitzthough shell not xtermMay 09 02:23
schestowitzthough shall exterminateMay 09 02:23
schestowitzall vi users :-)May 09 02:23
JordiGHGNU wills it!May 09 02:24
schestowitzDriving the competition out of the market, so to speak..May 09 02:24
cubezzzheh hehMay 09 02:24
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Ziomatrixschestowitz: MS is the Vadican during the Renaisance while the OEMs are like the wealthy banking families such as the di Medici.May 09 02:24
cubezzzthe power of GNU compels you! Out. out evil microsoft!May 09 02:24
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quotemstrZiomatrix: You mean Dell and HP are sponsoring beautiful artwork while creating the bedrock social institutions that will allow Europe to leapfrog the rest of the world?May 09 02:25
Ziomatrixschestowitz: the OEMs don't want to but feel obligated to be extorted by licensing fees unless thou shalt be smitten.May 09 02:25
cubezzzOEMs are so wimpyMay 09 02:25
Ziomatrixquotemstr: Apple is IslamMay 09 02:26
ZiomatrixlolMay 09 02:26
cubezzzDell has to put "Dell recommends windows 7" on every damned web page, even the few with UbuntuMay 09 02:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] Shelley Duvall : Mary Steenburgen :: John the Baptist : Jesus ChristMay 09 02:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @larryrusswurm Soon the blondes will be marching in the streets. 09 02:26
schestowitzDon't insult IslamMay 09 02:26
Ziomatrixquotemstr: jk jk, I meant that in our analogy MS is the Catholic Church and Apple is a competing religion that has fast growing folowers but ultimate want the same goal.May 09 02:26
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schestowitzNobody deserves a comparison to Cult of AppleMay 09 02:27
quotemstrZiomatrix: You mean Apple has a kingdom in Spain with a high literacy rate, scientific advancement, preservation of literature, reason-based medicine, and *streetlights*, all while the rest of Europe is arguing over how witches should burn and whether bathing causes the black death?May 09 02:27
cubezzzok, where is GNU+Linux in your religious analogy?May 09 02:27
Ziomatrixschestowitz: Actually Apple would be more like the Catholic Church while Microsoft rose to be that faster growing other religion.May 09 02:27
quotemstrZiomatrix: :-)May 09 02:27
cubezzzI guess they're the free-thinkersMay 09 02:28
schestowitzMicrosoft is like smallpoxMay 09 02:28
schestowitzIt spreads whether one tries to help it or notMay 09 02:28
Ziomatrixquotemstr: see where analogies can get really fuzzy. :-PMay 09 02:28
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cubezzzschestowitz, come on now, Microsoft is not that good :)May 09 02:28
schestowitzZiomatrix: just scratching an itchMay 09 02:28
cubezzzthey're more black plagueMay 09 02:28
quotemstrNo, Microsoft is most similar to a large 21st century technology company.May 09 02:28
Ziomatrixquotemstr: you mean 20th century, because they seem to be falling behind the times and in revenueMay 09 02:29
cubezzzyou can't assign tech badness to a particular timeMay 09 02:29
Ziomatrixcubezzz: dot com bubble?May 09 02:29
cubezzzunless you count the launch of windows 95 :)May 09 02:29
cubezzzok, maybe that oneMay 09 02:30
Ziomatrixcubezzz: trust me Windows 95 was a heaven sent, it was Windows 98, 98 SE and ulitmately ME that truly trashed their reputation among customers.May 09 02:30
quotemstrOr if you insist on an analogy, Microsoft is the Apollo program and GNU/Linux is the crowd of hippies outside in a meditation ring and talking about how Gaia will love us all --- between tokes.May 09 02:30
cubezzzno smoking... only tokingMay 09 02:30
*JordiGH passes to the left.May 09 02:31
cubezzzsome wit wrote that under a no smoking sign in HS :)May 09 02:31
Ziomatrixquotemstr: does that make Apple the Soviets?May 09 02:31
cubezzzZiomatrix, interesting point of viewMay 09 02:32
quotemstrZiomatrix: Speaking of 20th century --- Microsoft shoudl be the least of your worries.May 09 02:32
cubezzzexcept I remember hating computers in 1995May 09 02:32
quotemstrZiomatrix: Except that in our timeline, the Soviets lost.May 09 02:32
quotemstrZiomatrix: Apple is the GOP.May 09 02:32
cubezzzand Xerox would be....?May 09 02:32
Ziomatrixcubezzz: well you were fortunate enough to experience the likes of the Commodore Amiga, Atari Falcon among other GEM OS and Unix systems.May 09 02:32
cubezzzthe old man at the top of the mountain? :)May 09 02:32
quotemstrcubezzz: I don't know --- Barry Goldwater?May 09 02:32
cubezzzZiomatrix, got a amiga 500 right here stillMay 09 02:33
cubezzzsome old school guy that couldn't adapt I guessMay 09 02:34
Ziomatrixcubezzz: Or perhaps ahead of their time.May 09 02:34
cubezzzZiomatrix, Xerox did make computers but that kind of dried up in the late 80'sMay 09 02:34
Ziomatrixcubezzz: Xerox is the British EmpireMay 09 02:34
cubezzzhehMay 09 02:34
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quotemstrZiomatrix: Isn't that IBM?May 09 02:35
schestowitzmsb_: just released this: 09 02:35
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cubezzzIBM was Greece :)May 09 02:35
schestowitzbetter organised than COLAMay 09 02:35
Ziomatrixquotemstr: good point, but wasn't the whole point that the Soviets and Americans were competing over nations that were former British colonies or domains?May 09 02:36
Ziomatrixquotemstr: as Apple and MS were bickering over what was ultimately Xerox tech?May 09 02:36
schestowitzApple is JapanMay 09 02:36
cubezzzIBM did make good machines thoughMay 09 02:36
schestowitzsmall and wealthyMay 09 02:36
schestowitzGoogle is very newMay 09 02:36
JordiGHI prefer Matrix analogies myself.May 09 02:36
schestowitzSingapore of sortsMay 09 02:37
ZiomatrixJordiGH: Mister Smith is the ultimate IBM manMay 09 02:37
quotemstrZiomatrix: More like the Americans and Soviets fighting over Nazi scientists after WWII.May 09 02:37
*schestowitz codes a lot with matrices todayMay 09 02:37
JordiGHe.g. Microsoft is ill conditioned and Apple is full (of shit).May 09 02:37
cubezzzStallman makes a rather fat NeoMay 09 02:37
cubezzz;-)May 09 02:37
Ziomatrixquotemstr: Xerox didn't commit genocide but I suppose they were once a part of one of the most oppressive monopolies aka The Bell System once.May 09 02:38
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TechrightsBot-tr@RealHPT: @schestowitz Rather sad that the goal of the company continues to follow #Microsoft Evangelism, which is very much alive 09 02:38
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msb_schestowitz: Are you recommending SimplyMEPIS as a good alternative to OpenSuse?May 09 02:39
Ziomatrixquotemstr: oppressive as in how they treated their customers monetarily. I think literally one of the most oppresive monopolies has to go to the British East India Company or America's United Fruit Co.May 09 02:39
cubezzzin car analogy terms, Microsoft is a gas guzzling SUV and GNU+Linux is a pair of sneakersMay 09 02:39
schestowitzmsb_: that tooMay 09 02:39
schestowitzBut I was just pointing out I had released new lump of newsMay 09 02:40
schestowitzCOLA without the news, one page onlyMay 09 02:40
msb_cubezzz: I'd say GNU/Linux is at least a Prius.May 09 02:40
schestowitzCOLA without the trolls, tooMay 09 02:40
cubezzzmsb_, ok :)May 09 02:40
schestowitzbtw, mepis is deb-basedMay 09 02:40
cubezzzGNU+Linux == the LeafMay 09 02:40
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schestowitzI hope opensuse forksMay 09 02:41
schestowitzout of novellMay 09 02:41
Ziomatrixcubezzz: then would Apple OS X be like the Chevy Volt?May 09 02:41
msb_I thought Novell had already sold Suse.May 09 02:41
schestowitzseparated by attachMSFTMay 09 02:41
schestowitzgoing back to run as separate in GermanyMay 09 02:41
cubezzzactually GNU+Linux is more like a car kit you can build yourselfMay 09 02:41
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msb_cubezzz: And you can get already-assembled ones for free!May 09 02:42
cubezzzanyways, comparing software to cars is probably sillyMay 09 02:42
cubezzzyou can't download a car May 09 02:42
quotemstrMicrosoft is like a metaphor.May 09 02:42
schestowitzbuilt similarlyMay 09 02:42
quotemstrApple is like an analogy.May 09 02:42
quotemstrAre we done now?May 09 02:42
HisDudenessquotemstr: NO UR WRONGMay 09 02:43
HisDudenessMicrosoft is a metaphor and Apple is like an analogy.May 09 02:43
schestowitzuruguary? :-)May 09 02:43
schestowitzUruguay? :-)May 09 02:43
Ziomatrixcubezzz: that reminds me of a great article I read comparing MS, Apple and Linux as airlines. Linux was considered a great airline, if you knew how to build the passenger seat yourself. ;-)May 09 02:43
cubezzzMicrosoft is a metaphor and GNU+Linux is a pataphor :-)May 09 02:43
quotemstrI've seldom seen so many electrons used to say so little.May 09 02:43
cubezzzthe next levelMay 09 02:43
Ziomatrixcubezzz: build as in assembleMay 09 02:43
Ziomatrixcubezzz: in fact here it is: 09 02:43
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schestowitzquotemstr: what's up?May 09 02:44
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schestowitzYou're here to promote FOSS?May 09 02:44
ZiomatrixAir DOS is a halarious thought, even though it felt that way as one of the first computers I used. :-/May 09 02:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Most !disturbing degree of #pollinosis I can remember in many a year.May 09 02:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] Thread-kill #googleMay 09 02:45
schestowitzquotemsftr would be a funny nickMay 09 02:45
HisDudenesssrslyMay 09 02:46
quotemstrAnd?May 09 02:46
HisDudenessSing it proudly, brother.May 09 02:46
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msb_Looks like good copies of _Antitrust_ in Usenet and BT, if anyone's interested.May 09 02:55
msb_I like 800MB xvid movies.  The mplayer option   -vf-add smartblur=1.0:-1.0:0  sharpens them up nicely.May 09 02:57
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Ziomatrixmsb_: should I spoil anything with remarks about the movie?May 09 02:59
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msb_Ziomatrix: No.  It's a great movie.  Very inspiring at the end!May 09 02:59
cubezzzwhat year did Antitrust come out?May 09 03:00
Ziomatrixmsb_: I wouldn't take it literally though as the real deal tends to be more subtle in its actions.May 09 03:00
msb_Really embodies the World Community basis of FOSS.May 09 03:00
msb_Ziomatrix: True.May 09 03:00
Ziomatrixmsb_: it also makes Bill Gates seem like an axe murdererMay 09 03:00
cubezzz2001, I should have guessedMay 09 03:00
msb_I think he is financing vaccines to sterilize people.May 09 03:01
msb_And he just invested in Blackwater.May 09 03:01
cubezzzGary Winston thinly disguised Gates, lolMay 09 03:01
cubezzzeven though it was a silly movie, I enjoyed HackersMay 09 03:03
Ziomatrixmsb_: I should state Bill Gates like character, since in that movie apparently this fictional character eclispes the other Gates in wealth.May 09 03:03
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cubezzzJohnathon Young as Stinky?May 09 03:05
msb_"Human knowledge belongs to the World"  -- AntitrustMay 09 03:05
msb_It is a _very_ good movie.  A Conscious movie.May 09 03:06
msb_It can help wake people up out of the Matrix.May 09 03:06
msb_LIke _Dune_, _The Matrix_, _My Dinner With Andre_, _The Golden Compass_May 09 03:10
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Ziomatrixmsb_: it also played off the pop culture of the time that came to realize or see Microsoft's dominance in the PC market as a drawback rather then an attribute. It also came out less then a year after the inclusion of the indightment against Microsoft and while they were still deliberating on whether to break it up.May 09 03:11
msb_Waking people up is the most important thing!May 09 03:11
cubezzzyeah but the thing is... I'm pre-MatrixMay 09 03:12
cubezzzsome of the computers I own can't even run windowsMay 09 03:12
cubezzzheh, I knew that person was AmericanMay 09 03:15
msb_I realized a few months ago that I'm sort of a cyborg, like the people in _Ghost In The Shell_ but without the implants.  My computer with its data is a major part of my mind.  My external memory.May 09 03:15
msb_So Linux is the OS of part of my mind.  Wonderful that I can set it up and control it exactly how I want.May 09 03:17
msb_I love that episode of The X-Files where a couple of people upload themselves into the Net.May 09 03:18
cubezzzit's an old idea, but it's utter fictionMay 09 03:20
cubezzzX-files is hardly the first exampleMay 09 03:20
msb_"Kill Switch"May 09 03:20
msb_cubezzz: Fiction now, but the transhumanists think it will happen.May 09 03:21
cubezzzmsb_, it's long past 2001 and look around :)May 09 03:21
cubezzzno HAL 9000May 09 03:21
cubezzzno moonbaseMay 09 03:21
cubezzzsome writers thought we could have talking computers by the 50'sMay 09 03:22
msb_Flying saucers are real.  Thus low-energy transportation between the planets at least will come about.May 09 03:23
msb_If they money we've spent on internation mass murder had been spent on space travel we'd have a moon colony by now.May 09 03:24
msb_internationalMay 09 03:24
msb_The new Millennium was hijacked by the 9-11 false-flag terror operation.May 09 03:24
cubezzz1984 example...May 09 03:25
msb_We should probably be glad there's no HAL 9000.  Some idiot would put it in control of the ICBMs and we'd all be dead.May 09 03:26
cubezzzValentina: Soul in SapphireMay 09 03:26
msb_cubezzz: Ooh, I think I remember that.  Who wrote it?May 09 03:26
cubezzzJoseph Delaney and Mark StieglerMay 09 03:26
cubezzzno Val, no HAL, and no ummm... MCP :)May 09 03:29
cubezzzexcept there was really an MCPMay 09 03:29
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cubezzzUnisys/Burroughs operating systemMay 09 03:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @q4td “Your mobile phone has more computing power than all of NASA in 1969. NASA launched a man to the moon. We launch a bird into pi ...May 09 03:31
msb_Hot damn!  It is in BT and coming in fast.May 09 03:32
cubezzzlol, that book is on ebay for 1 buckMay 09 03:33
Ziomatrixcubezzz: I don't recall Antitrust ever did too well at the box officeMay 09 03:34
msb_Well, my Vuze is working again.  It got whacked yesterday apparently by an "upgrade" of a library it uses, and took about six hours to fix.May 09 03:34
cubezzzZiomatrix, 13 million I thinkMay 09 03:35
msb_Probably not.  The vast majority of people are too deeply asleep to appreciate it.May 09 03:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[icelogic/@icelogic] Our new web-cast about free software, gaming and tech freedom. http://webcast.icelogic.orgMay 09 03:36
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cubezzzyeah but I don't go to the movies much May 09 03:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] Child: "Yes, why *do* we have to have evil?" Supreme Being: "Ah! I believe it has something to do with free will." #timebandits #theologyMay 09 03:38
Ziomatrixmsb_: what do you like about Vuze?May 09 03:39
cubezzzI use rtorrentMay 09 03:40
msb_It has every feature I can think of.May 09 03:40
msb_rtorrent is curses, right?May 09 03:40
cubezzzit's rather heavyMay 09 03:40
cubezzzyesMay 09 03:40
msb_Vuze heavy?May 09 03:40
cubezzzyesMay 09 03:41
msb_I've got 8 gigs of RAM.  What, me worry?May 09 03:41
cubezzzI'm a minimalist universalist :)May 09 03:41
msb_I think gui is good in this case.May 09 03:41
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Ziomatrixcubezzz: I have used uTorrent and Transmission the most.May 09 03:42
msb_After the apocalypse, that might be a good thing.May 09 03:42
cubezzzone computer I use every day has 1 meg ramMay 09 03:42
msb_USB toothbrush?May 09 03:43
cubezzzand even that one can connect to the other boxesMay 09 03:43
cubezzzno, that's the amigaMay 09 03:43
cubezzzcommunicates via the parallel portMay 09 03:44
cubezzzmsb_, I used to use vuze, but I found that rtorrent is uses less memoryMay 09 03:44
cubezzzit can run in true text mode at 100x25May 09 03:46
cubezzzon a 19" monitor that's quite readableMay 09 03:46
msb_I think it was an Amiga that produced a wonderful 3-D display at one of the West Coast Computer Faires many years ago.  Used LCD shutter glasses.  Looked like a 12" cube black "vision tank" (if that's the old scifi term) with bright objects moving around in it.  Amazing!May 09 03:47
cubezzzmsb_, also the amiga had a better floppy controllerMay 09 03:47
cubezzzthe PC's don't follow the full specMay 09 03:47
msb_I know rtorrent is supposed to be very good.May 09 03:49
msb_But I like how, e.g., vuze can show you all the tracker sources for a given torrent, and you can select the one you want as the principal tracker.May 09 03:50
msb_Maybe rtorrent can do that too, but I think it'd be a bit clumsy in textmode.May 09 03:50
cubezzznahMay 09 03:51
cubezzzsometimes I even surf the web in text modeMay 09 03:51
msb_I was once trying to fix my X server, I think when I first switched to Suse 11.4, and was getting help from the Suse irc channel, of course using a gui irc client.  Then the X server croaked from what I was trying, and I had to find a textmode irc client and run it in a virtual text console!May 09 03:52
msb_I routinely use Lynx to view -- quick and easy.May 09 03:53
cubezzzand your torrent would continue downloading if you reset X if you used rtorrent in true text modeMay 09 03:53
msb_Sure.  But my X server is fixed now and works fine.May 09 03:54
msb_I always run mplayer in CLI.  I have a script that allows you to position a rectangle over a TV station logo and write a position file, and another that uses that file to blur out the logo when playing the videoMay 09 03:56
msb_I have a script that takes a command file specifying video files and sections within them, and plays them at specified speeds.  Good for watching nature videos.May 09 03:57
msb_A script uses mencoder to create xvid/mp3/avi videos on the fly from TV shows via a TV card.May 09 03:58
msb_cubezzz: I resisted gui initially.  Heck I resisted transistors because tubes were much easier to understand and much more robust.May 09 04:01
msb_Superregeneration.  Ah, those were the days!May 09 04:01
cubezzzI think you might have a few years on me thenMay 09 04:02
msb_I'm 65.May 09 04:02
cubezzzok, 20 years May 09 04:02
cubezzzso what computers have you worked on?May 09 04:03
cubezzzIBM 701 perhaps? ;)May 09 04:03
msb_Some Royal McBee thingy with no RAM, just a drum memory.  Did 60 instructions/second unless you spaced them properly around the drum.  That was in high school.May 09 04:04
msb_DEC PDP-8, -12, 6.  The predecessor to the -12, which I can't remember the name of.  1K core RAM.May 09 04:05
cubezzzyou might like #classiccmp thenMay 09 04:05
cubezzzPDP talk is big over thereMay 09 04:05
msb_Beautiful console switches.May 09 04:05
msb_DG Nova and Eclipse.May 09 04:06
msb_Thanks!  Although I think I'm too busy with the present and future to spend much time reminiscing.May 09 04:06
cubezzzyou own a PDP then?May 09 04:06
msb_No.May 09 04:06
Ender2070lolMay 09 04:07
msb_Just a succession of PCs.  8088, 386, Pentium, now an AMD 5200 64bit dual core.May 09 04:07
cubezzzthose guys are a bit nuts, they run IBM mainframes in their basementMay 09 04:08
cubezzzwell, some of them doMay 09 04:08
cubezzzand teletypewriters too :)May 09 04:08
Ender2070I think my cell phone could outpower their pcs thenMay 09 04:08
msb_They should race them, if that's possible.May 09 04:08
twitter1I had a teletype once.  It was fun.May 09 04:08
cubezzzsee, a few years back, I wanted to break out of just using intel all the timeMay 09 04:09
cubezzzso the retrocomputing got interesting againMay 09 04:09
msb_A DEC LINC computer -- that's the predecessor of the PDP-12.May 09 04:09
cubezzza pity about Kildall May 09 04:10
cubezzzand DEC tooMay 09 04:10
msb_I only use AMD.  Intel collaborated with Microsoft on the "Palladium" system for total govt censorship of the Net.May 09 04:10
Ender2070you mean the failed TPM agendaMay 09 04:11
cubezzzstill, you're stuck in x86-land...May 09 04:11
Ender2070cubezzz - stuff on x86 is worth itMay 09 04:11
msb_The LINC was beautiful -- little metal toggle switches for address and data, lighted pushbuttons.May 09 04:11
cubezzzso anyway, I tried to branch out May 09 04:11
msb_Ender2070: Yes.  "Trusted" (treacherous) computing.May 09 04:12
Ender2070msb_ now its a bios option you can turn off or onMay 09 04:12
Ender2070Linux supports it and you can use it to lock down your own PCMay 09 04:12
twitter1you think you turn it offMay 09 04:13
msb_Goody.  I will still never use Microsoft or Intel.May 09 04:13
Ender2070hello sirs, im the conspiracy theorist and im not that stupidMay 09 04:13
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cubezzzmsb_, I think the 8088 is safe :)May 09 04:14
Ender2070TPM failed, end of storyMay 09 04:14
msb_Some school system gave its kids laptops and was spying on them without their knowledge using the builtin webcams.May 09 04:14
twitter1WindowsMay 09 04:14
twitter1!google school webcam spy scandal May 09 04:15
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Ender2070yeah that happened but it had nothing to do with TPMMay 09 04:15
twitter1No charges, ha!May 09 04:15
Ender2070of course no chargesMay 09 04:15
msb_Not the end of story.  The current COICA bill would permanently kill any website that even linked to a single copyrighted work.May 09 04:15
cubezzzdoes RPC 4000 or 9000 ring a bell msb_?May 09 04:15
Ender2070its a government spying programMay 09 04:15
twitter1they were charged with pedophilia May 09 04:16
msb_cubezzz: no...May 09 04:16
twitter1watching school kids in their bedrooms May 09 04:16
Diablo-D3[11:15:08] <msb_> Not the end of story.  The current COICA bill would permanently kill any website that even linked to a single copyrighted work.May 09 04:16
Diablo-D3Go ahead, Im behind 7 proxies!May 09 04:16
cubezzzhmm, maybe LGP-30 thenMay 09 04:17
cubezzzor LGP-21May 09 04:17
msb_Diablo-D3: Yes, but is your website?May 09 04:17
twitter17 computers mysteriously fail ... May 09 04:17
msb_cubezzz: Royal McBee?May 09 04:17
cubezzzyesMay 09 04:17
Ender2070MafiaafireMay 09 04:17
Diablo-D3I swear to god Im just going to start hosting sites behind torMay 09 04:17
Ender2070FreenetMay 09 04:17
Diablo-D3[11:15:48] <Diablo-D3> [11:15:08] <msb_> Not the end of story.  The current COICA bill would permanently kill any website that even linked to a single copyrighted work.May 09 04:17
Diablo-D3we have two problemsMay 09 04:17
Diablo-D3oneMay 09 04:17
Diablo-D3twoMay 09 04:18
twitter1does that work, hosting behind TOR?May 09 04:18
Diablo-D3twitter1: slow as fuck, but you can generate a unqiue name tor will route without giving up your physical locationMay 09 04:18
cubezzzjust host in another country thenMay 09 04:18
Diablo-D3so, twoMay 09 04:18
twitter1that is coolMay 09 04:18
Diablo-D3we can shut itunes and amazon downMay 09 04:18
Diablo-D3linking AND hosting to copyrighted worksMay 09 04:18
msb_No, of course it means somebody else's work.May 09 04:18
twitter1selling copyrighted works, the scandal!May 09 04:19
Ender2070its more likely to be used against those who speak against the governmentMay 09 04:19
cubezzzright and of course U.S.A != Entire WorldMay 09 04:19
msb_What we really have to do is get rid of these NWO governments and have the actual democracy, and uncensored news media, that we're told that we have.May 09 04:19
twitter1of course, there's only one boss -> cubezzz: right and of course U.S.A != Entire WorldMay 09 04:20
Ender2070msb_ :)May 09 04:20
msb_Ender2070: For sure!May 09 04:20
Ender2070msb_ I'd say the media can never be trustedMay 09 04:20
twitter1of the 1%, by the 1% and for the .01%May 09 04:20
msb_Certainly not the mainstream media.May 09 04:20
msb_twitter1: Right!May 09 04:21
Ender2070msb_ its refreshing to see someone else in here talk about the NWOMay 09 04:21
msb_Alex Jones is pretty good, except for his right-wing economics ideas.May 09 04:21
cubezzzthey can write whatever silly laws they want but who's going to enforce it?May 09 04:21
msb_Ender2070: Thanks!  My website is cosmicpenguin.comMay 09 04:21
Ender2070msb_  qubitarkhive.comMay 09 04:22
Ender2070cubezzz - thousands of brainwashed militarized policeMay 09 04:22
cubezzzI guess if the ISP cut you off though it would be a problemMay 09 04:23
twitter1ha har, drama of weird Windows problem 09 04:23
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twitter1I don't see so many Windows 7 sucks videos lately.  I wonder if Microsoft is reporting all of the new ones. May 09 04:25
msb_Ender2070: All those principles of communism (are they really?) implemented, and none of the benefits of communism like housing and food for all!May 09 04:25
Ender2070the grandfather of those principles would be Moses Hess, and the great grandfather Adam WeishauptMay 09 04:26
twitter1The Soviet Union had a rabbit hutch for everyone. May 09 04:26
twitter1this one is relatively new 09 04:27
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msb_This group seeks to wake up the police and military so they will refuse to attack the people:  http://oathkeepers.orgMay 09 04:27
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Ender2070I had always wondered why communism needed a centralized bankMay 09 04:27
cubezzztwitter1, you convinced me already :)May 09 04:28
Ender2070its a banker invention, thats whyMay 09 04:28
Ender2070lolMay 09 04:28
Ender2070the freemen are trying to wake up police and courtsMay 09 04:28
twitter1thanks, cubezzz, but I like to grow the collection with recent things May 09 04:28
msb_Obomber gave $28 TRILLION to the banking cartel.May 09 04:29
twitter1did you get your billion?May 09 04:29
Ender2070I just watched the Obama DeceptionMay 09 04:29
msb_The now-even-more-ultra wealthy bankers got it.May 09 04:29
twitter128 trillion, that's like 28,000 new billionaires.  how cool is that?May 09 04:29
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twitter1or 28,000 even richer people.May 09 04:30
msb_The freemen, yes!  We need those weirding modules!May 09 04:30
twitter1I like that rolling stone article about the housewives that got something goofy like 250 million of government backed loans that they then used to buy student loans .... May 09 04:31
twitter1bought themselves fancy houses off the millions of trouble free, no can lose, incomeMay 09 04:31
cubezzzthe world is crazyMay 09 04:31
twitter1I don't need a billion.  Just a few million.  Where's my bailout? May 09 04:31
cubezzzdamn, even a few thou would be nice :)May 09 04:32
twitter1If everyone would just chip in a dollar or two, I'd be set with 300,000,000 May 09 04:32
Ender2070oh you can't top the generosity of the canadian governmentMay 09 04:32
Ender2070every new immigrant who can't get a job gets free collegeMay 09 04:32
twitter1no one else would miss it.  why don't all of you send me a dollar today?May 09 04:33
msb_The world is run by a few thousand murderous sociopaths who use the mainstream media to create at totally false pseudoreality that most people think is real.May 09 04:33
Ender2070msb_ +1May 09 04:33
cubezzzJones interviewed Stallman once I thinkMay 09 04:33
tessierschestowitz: Everything working well with the server lately?May 09 04:33
Ender2070he didMay 09 04:33
msb_Cool!May 09 04:34
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msb_Thanks!May 09 04:34
Ender2070npMay 09 04:34
Ender2070msb_ I see it this way:    secret societies -> Media -> Religion -> Corporations -> Politicians -> UsMay 09 04:36
Ender2070exampels of religion being higher up than corps: 09 04:39
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msb_Ender2070: I agree, but I think they're all interlocked rather than in a specific hierarchy.May 09 04:39
msb_Ender2070: Does Alex Jones ever find out that RMS is a total socialist?May 09 04:39
Ender2070I dont think he knowsMay 09 04:41
msb_Wow, youtube is buffering like crazy tonight.May 09 04:41
Ender2070I've had some interesting email exchanges with RMS regarding that topicMay 09 04:41
Ender2070RMS is just as brainwashed as everyone elseMay 09 04:42
msb_Ender2070: At our current level of technology, when machines can do almost all the work, how is the average person going to make a living?May 09 04:43
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Ender2070msb_ they cant, there will be too many useless people - there will be a demand for depopulationMay 09 04:44
Ender2070people will quote george bernard shaw as if hes a heroMay 09 04:44
Ender2070by then people wil already be voluntarily sterilizing themselves to save the planetMay 09 04:45
msb_Right.  But with something like democratic socialism or populism with private property protected up to a few million dollars, we could have a successful life for everyone.May 09 04:45
Ender2070according to shaw, people will have to justify their own existence or be killedMay 09 04:46
Ender2070yeah we could have that but it wouldnt be good for the eliteMay 09 04:47
Ender2070you're not allowed to own land anymoreMay 09 04:47
Ender2070Canada was never given property rightsMay 09 04:47
Ender2070there are plenty of reasons the government here can use to take your homeMay 09 04:48
Ender2070often they just use building codes to bankrupt people into constant compliance, people give up and rent within the cityMay 09 04:49
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msb_So, we have to wake up enough people that we can dethrone the elite, send them off with $10million each, and create a good society, economic system and govt.May 09 04:49
Ender2070the utopia :)May 09 04:50
Ender2070i've tried waking people up in this channel, doesnt work so wellMay 09 04:50
Ender2070thats why I said its refreshing to see you mention itMay 09 04:51
msb_Hell, the US govt has decreed that it can kidnap, torture and murder anyone in the world they want to, just by declaring them to be a "terrorist".  And I think the ADL has stated that 911 truth people are terrorists.May 09 04:51
Ender2070what happens if you change the definition of a terrorist and all these laws are still on the booksMay 09 04:51
msb_Ender2070: Thanks.  Very glad to see you here.  And others have been somewhat receptive.  Unlike in #suse, for example.May 09 04:52
Ender2070I think one of the major things to do is to stop watching tv every dayMay 09 04:53
msb_All those laws are like declaring 1=0.  Anything goes.  We have to eliminate that whole insane system.  The US Constitution is a pretty good foundation.May 09 04:53
Ender2070i have a few shows i watch, but not every day and being away from tv so long allows me to filter better when I do watch a showMay 09 04:53
msb_Also, you have to turn down the sound when the commercials come on.  They poison the mind.  Rapidfire lies with full emotional enthusiasm.  It turns people off to real human emotions.May 09 04:54
Ender2070yeah they doMay 09 04:55
Ender2070i try to avoid commercialsMay 09 04:55
Ender2070rent or buy box seasons of shows I likeMay 09 04:55
Ender2070commercials are allowed to use subliminalsMay 09 04:56
Ender2070even some of the shows themselves should be avoidedMay 09 04:56
Ender2070NBC started putting behavior placement into its showsMay 09 04:56
msb_If pregnant rats are fed the same amount of fluoride in their water as is put in US tapwater, the offspring all have rat ADD.May 09 04:57
Ender2070they figure of the characters in the shows follow certain parts of the agenda, people will go along with itMay 09 04:57
Ender2070oh shit really?May 09 04:57
Ender2070I never heard of flouride to ADDMay 09 04:57
msb_Oh yeah.  I think one of the characters in NCIS is a Mossad agent, totally approved of.May 09 04:58
msb_Fluoride was given to prisoners by the Nazis and Communists to keep them docile.May 09 04:58
Ender2070yes totallyMay 09 04:59
msb_There's a huge connection between mercury and aluminum in vaccines and autism in children and Alzheimer's in adults.May 09 04:59
Ender2070theres aluminum in the airMay 09 05:00
msb_Chemtrails.May 09 05:00
Ender2070yesMay 09 05:00
Ender2070aluminum and bariumMay 09 05:00
Ender2070monsanto even started making aluminum-resistant gmo foodsMay 09 05:00
msb_Guess what.  They spray fluoride on vegetables to kill the insects.  And it soaks in and we eat it.May 09 05:00
Ender2070you take a shower in it, the heat opens your poresMay 09 05:01
msb_Wow, I didn't know that.  Aluminum kills plants?May 09 05:01
Ender2070yeahMay 09 05:01
Ender2070its a poisonMay 09 05:01
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Ender2070fluoride is a byproduct of aluminumMay 09 05:02
msb_I figure I probably don't absorb more than a couple of teaspoons of water through my skin when I take a shower, and  you have to drink at least a cup a day to get brain damaged.May 09 05:02
msb_And a product of uranium isotope separation.May 09 05:03
Ender2070a glass of water is one application of toothpasteMay 09 05:03
Ender20708ozMay 09 05:03
msb_Iodine is good for you, and helps you to throw off fluoride.  A couple of mg/day is good.May 09 05:04
Ender2070garlic tooMay 09 05:04
Ender2070garlic helps your body get rid of metalsMay 09 05:04
msb_Ah!May 09 05:04
msb_Cumin is anticancer.  And I just found out that I like curry.May 09 05:05
Ender2070:)May 09 05:06
Ender2070yumMay 09 05:06
Ender2070just found out I need to replace my britaMay 09 05:06
msb_I don't think those eliminate fluoride.May 09 05:06
msb_Distillation is best.May 09 05:07
Ender2070they dont just read that on their websiteMay 09 05:07
Ender2070in the faqMay 09 05:07
msb_They say it does eliminate fluoride?May 09 05:07
msb_I was just talking in general about water filters.May 09 05:08
Ender2070noMay 09 05:12
Ender2070they say it doesntMay 09 05:12
Ender2070they say flouride is good for youMay 09 05:12
msb_  Right.  Brita corp _likes_ fluoride.May 09 05:13
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msb_Some companies make an alumina filter that removes fluoride.  Then I guess you have to remove the aluminum.May 09 05:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @lstench @seeds The one major side effect. About to put myself back into Linux rehab and settled down with something this week.May 09 05:15
msb_They are literally poisoning our air, food, and water.  And media.May 09 05:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @robsanchez #Apple, #Google to face lawmakers in !privacy tussle 09 05:16
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msb_Oh, then there's the Codex Alimentarius.  The WTO agreement that would ban all vitamins and minerals in amounts greater than the FDA MDR, and totally ban all other nutrients, herbs, etc.May 09 05:18
msb_All herbs just got banned in England about a week ago, due to an EU agreement.May 09 05:18
msb_England, one of the countries where a lot of the medicinal plants were originally identified by the witches (wiccans).May 09 05:19
Ender2070:)May 09 05:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] Submitted my first tiny patch to GNU !MediaGoblin. Excited to see where this project goes.May 09 05:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] Wondering whether using sites/all/* is at all useful with a D7/git/drush/features deployment/upgrade process. Thoughts? !Drupal #lazywebMay 09 05:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good morning @marjoleinkMay 09 05:40
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msb_Ender2070: Wanna talk via skype?May 09 05:44
Ender2070im going to bed soonMay 09 05:45
Ender2070tomorrow?May 09 05:45
msb_Sure!  My skype id is markbilkMay 09 05:46
msb_You're in Ontario?May 09 05:46
msb_What time is it there?May 09 05:46
msb_(sound of snoring)May 09 05:47
Ender207012:47AMMay 09 05:48
Ender2070what timezone are you in?May 09 05:49
msb_Pacific  950PMMay 09 05:50
msb_Mountain View, Calif., 50 miles south of San FranciscoMay 09 05:50
Ender2070ill be back home tomrrow around 8pm ESTMay 09 05:50
Ender2070i might be in the channel before that just chatting while @ workMay 09 05:51
Ender2070ttylMay 09 05:51
msb_good night!May 09 05:52
Ender2070goodnightMay 09 05:52
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DaemonFCnow I know my mom has a screw loose :PMay 09 06:06
DaemonFCshe was complaining that her car stunk so I pop the trunk and she had forgotten to take a frozen chicken inMay 09 06:06
DaemonFCjudging from the smell, I'd say a week or soMay 09 06:07
DaemonFCI was laughing so hard over that I could barely breathe May 09 06:09
DaemonFCand she was driving back and forth to work like thatMay 09 06:09
*DaemonFC facepalmsMay 09 06:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @mjjzf haHAha - - deviousMay 09 06:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] goodnight !identiverseMay 09 06:10
msb_Well, at least it wasn't someone she whacked and forgot to bury.May 09 06:24
DaemonFCI was telling my stepdad if a cop pulled her over he's probably get a whiff of that and point his gun at her and tell her to open the trunkMay 09 06:26
DaemonFC:)May 09 06:26
DaemonFC*he'dMay 09 06:26
DaemonFCshe's the one driving around with a decomposing chicken in the trunk and I'm the one taking medicationMay 09 06:30
DaemonFCright....May 09 06:30
DaemonFC:PMay 09 06:30
msb_Not only raw meat, but frozen and thawed so the cells are all broken and oozing slime even before the bacteria came along.May 09 06:31
msb_what are you taking medication for?May 09 06:31
DaemonFCbipolar disorder B-)May 09 06:31
DaemonFCI've never once driven around wondering why my car stinks to find out there's a week old dead chicken in the trunkMay 09 06:31
msb_Do you think you really need it?May 09 06:31
DaemonFCscore another one for the mental patientMay 09 06:32
DaemonFCwoohooMay 09 06:32
msb_It's a good idea to avoid psychiatric meds if at all possible.May 09 06:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Lesson for today : Always keep mobile charger in your pocket..May 09 06:35
DaemonFCshe needs them more than I doMay 09 06:35
DaemonFChouse demons and dead chickensMay 09 06:35
DaemonFC:)May 09 06:35
msb_A friend of mine is on an SSRI, large doses of ativan, and gabapentin.  And booze.May 09 06:35
msb_She has house demons?May 09 06:35
DaemonFCshe says she saw some weird stuffMay 09 06:36
DaemonFClack of sleep will do thatMay 09 06:36
DaemonFCcombined with a predisposition to believing in superstitions May 09 06:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @ml2mst (1) How to remove #mono including its apps on #ubuntu 11.04: sudo apt-get purge mono-runtime cli-commonMay 09 06:36
msb_I think spirits are real.  People have done astral travelling and report on stuff they couldn't have known otherwise.May 09 06:37
DaemonFCmy grandmother is nuts May 09 06:37
DaemonFCshe says she has "visions"May 09 06:37
DaemonFCand Jesus told her she'll die when she's 88May 09 06:38
msb_Nothing wrong with having visions.May 09 06:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @fossmaniac Tomorrow is Adv. Java Practical exam and m reading "Free but Shackled - The Java Trap" !faifMay 09 06:38
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DaemonFCyeah, it means dementia May 09 06:38
DaemonFCeither that or she's a liar May 09 06:39
DaemonFCI haven't figured out which yetMay 09 06:39
DaemonFCmaybe bothMay 09 06:39
msb_Tsk tsk.  Such reductionist thinking.May 09 06:39
DaemonFCI think people who claim to have spiritual experiences are either lying attention whoresMay 09 06:40
DaemonFCor have a mental illnessMay 09 06:40
DaemonFC:)May 09 06:40
DaemonFCsay 50/50May 09 06:40
DaemonFCmy grandmother used to claim to speak to the devilMay 09 06:40
DaemonFCwho said I *as in, me*, belonged to himMay 09 06:41
DaemonFCand to leave my video games aloneMay 09 06:41
DaemonFC:)May 09 06:41
DaemonFCsounds like repackaged Pat Robertson to meMay 09 06:41
DaemonFCbut I could see him as a devil May 09 06:41
DaemonFCB-)May 09 06:41
DaemonFCshe watches the religious fruitloop channel all day longMay 09 06:42
DaemonFCand sends them her Social Security checkMay 09 06:42
DaemonFCwhile the rest of the family pays her billsMay 09 06:42
DaemonFCI guess we're all just too nice to stick her in a homeMay 09 06:42
DaemonFC:)May 09 06:42
DaemonFC(plus she'd go kicking and screaming and gouging for peoples eyeballs)May 09 06:43
DaemonFCcall in the exorcist May 09 06:43
DaemonFC:DMay 09 06:43
DaemonFCshe also believes President Obama is the antichrist May 09 06:44
DaemonFCand is going to herd us all into FEMA death campsMay 09 06:44
DaemonFCand take away her MedicareMay 09 06:44
DaemonFCand all kinds of horrible thingsMay 09 06:44
DaemonFC:)May 09 06:44
DaemonFCYes, Grandma, he's a nigg....I mean, agent of SatanMay 09 06:44
DaemonFCsuch a nice old lady B-)May 09 06:45
msb_Anyhow, here's a great song about a vision: 09 06:45
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DaemonFCShe said "I bet you voted for him, didn't you?"May 09 06:45
DaemonFCI said "Just as sure as your generation would have hung him from a tree"May 09 06:46
DaemonFC:)May 09 06:46
msb_I did.  But I think he may be the Antichrist.May 09 06:46
DaemonFCmy family is nuts May 09 06:46
DaemonFCsome of them admit they are schizophrenics and bipolar or whatever and take their pillsMay 09 06:47
DaemonFCthe rest just claim to see Jesus and talk to the devil, about meMay 09 06:47
DaemonFC:PMay 09 06:47
DaemonFCI think with the deck I was dealt from, I'm doing OKMay 09 06:48
DaemonFC:)May 09 06:48
msb_Now I don't know if you should listen to that song after all.  It might send you over the edge.May 09 06:49
DaemonFCI think the line between mental illness and religion is fine, but I'd rather admit I'm mentally ill than religiousMay 09 06:49
msb_There are some good religions -- Buddhism, Wicca, ...May 09 06:50
DaemonFCat least mental illness suggests a tangible cause for some of the problems, instead of blaming everything on Satan and demonsMay 09 06:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] This is Tweet number 6000 and Dent Number 343,May 09 06:50
msb_But Satan is the basis for a lot of good movies.May 09 06:51
DaemonFCNo, usually bad movies that nobody should seeMay 09 06:51
DaemonFCnot because they have Satan in them, but because they have shitty actors like Arnold Schwarzenegger May 09 06:51
msb_The Exorcist movies are good.May 09 06:52
DaemonFCWhat a lovely day for an exorcismMay 09 06:52
DaemonFCI say that in a creepy voice whenever I see my grandmotherMay 09 06:52
DaemonFCpisses her offMay 09 06:53
DaemonFC 09 06:54
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DaemonFCFGLRX has something like this, only it's complete crapMay 09 06:54
DaemonFCit requires restarting the X serverMay 09 06:54
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DaemonFCthat's probably why Nvidia didn't bother May 09 06:54
DaemonFCthe free drivers won't have that problem May 09 06:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Hello Browser! Hello, I want article ... Cool, you are from germany! Here's! No, err, where is my article? #failMay 09 07:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Just flooded myhouse on accident :<May 09 07:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Tesla was the man! Have you read any of his books? Way ahead of his time.May 09 07:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Good morning !identiverse :) Seems although this group is present at !lxhica I can't actually ! it :(May 09 07:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] A visual history of our website, as seen through svn code commits: 09 07:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Does anybody have their own intance and can subscribe to groups remotely? !identica #lazywebMay 09 07:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @mwkn: #MeeGo & #Maemo Weekly News for Monday, 9 May 2011 out now: #n900May 09 07:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !uds we are in the ballroom, where the keynote will be held. 12 minutes to the start.May 09 07:50
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*DaemonFC just junked an old computerMay 09 07:55
DaemonFClets all have a moment of silence for my old Emachines W3107May 09 07:55
DaemonFCMotherboard failed, but not forgotten.May 09 07:55
DaemonFC:PMay 09 07:56
DaemonFCthere's an overabundance of crap in hereMay 09 07:56
DaemonFC:PMay 09 07:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !uds jono is on the stage...May 09 07:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] How funny would it be if Shuttleworth announces Ubuntu has been bought by Apple... :) #UDS #SteveNoteMay 09 07:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] What will be the great announcement of the keynote? We will know it soon... !udsMay 09 07:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @csmart !Apple violating GPL requirement to release source code for Webkit, again? !Linux !FSF !GNUMay 09 08:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Jono started the keynoteMay 09 08:05
DaemonFCyou know furniture is Sauder....when the only time you can't destroy it is when you're trying toMay 09 08:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Jaromir Jagr is still playing? Fuck me, that is amazing!!!May 09 08:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] IP terrorism kills freedom. Sad story. 09 08:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @jwildeboer IP terrorism kills freedom. Sad story. 09 08:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Net result of is that the organizers have removed the whole category "Free Music" from next years awards.May 09 08:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !uds !u mark is on the stageMay 09 08:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Our goal: 200 million users in 4 years. !uds !uMay 09 08:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] my stuff shipped from canada arrives today! finally! i will have my stuff again! :)May 09 08:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] Plasma Active built for MeeGo! some rough edges remain, but thanks to a heroic weekend effort, there will be packages for the meego conf!May 09 08:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] It is kind of amazing to me that there still is a MeeGo Conf....May 09 08:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Packing my stuff again to leave for Göttingen and #SambaXP.May 09 08:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @joshix @mo6020 We're bad. Put your sunglasses on.May 09 08:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] "lottery is a tax on people who can't do math" Quite true, in a way. ;)May 09 08:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @tante Take a random empty room and slap the badge on it. Instant MeeGo conf.May 09 08:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] So, what's up at #UDS? Did Shuttleworth announce they are forking the kernel too?May 09 08:43
DaemonFCUbuntu forking the kernel, that would be amusing May 09 08:45
DaemonFCif they did as well with that as they did with Unity, it would be a miracle if it even booted at allMay 09 08:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] How to pronounce oneiricMay 09 08:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @mdz Biggest announcement so far at !UDS is how to pronounce Oneiric #ubuntuMay 09 08:46
DaemonFCI don't know why Fedora and OpenSuse were trying to copy bad designMay 09 08:47
DaemonFCpossibly just because Ubuntu has it so they have to as well?May 09 08:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Linaro is one year old...May 09 08:50
msb_Has anyone forked the kernel?  How could they do better than Linux and the kernel team?May 09 08:51
msb_Linux->LinusMay 09 08:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Just used #SoundHound to find Handel Hendrix House by Roberto Cacciapaglia #nowplayingMay 09 08:51
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DaemonFCThere's the Zen kernel, they carry some stuff that isn't official May 09 08:52
msb_That's for virtualizing?May 09 08:52
DaemonFCnoMay 09 08:52
DaemonFCthere's a lot of stuff out there that is fairly stable and works well but isn't in the kernel because Linus doesn't agree with itMay 09 08:53
DaemonFClike Reiser4 or TuxOnIceMay 09 08:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Linaro working on !android and !ubuntu buildsMay 09 08:53
DaemonFCLinus prefers swsuspend instead, which works on less hardware and not as wellMay 09 08:53
DaemonFCwho knows? :)May 09 08:54
msb_So what is Zen?May 09 08:54
DaemonFCthey carry stuff like thatMay 09 08:54
msb_Is Zen a distro?May 09 08:55
DaemonFCnoMay 09 08:55
msb_The sound of one hand clapping?May 09 08:55
msb_Two tons of flax?May 09 08:55
DaemonFCI don't like software suspend because it means that whether or not your laptop suspends and resumes properly may just depend on which desktop environment you useMay 09 08:55
DaemonFC:PMay 09 08:55
DaemonFCLinus probably likes it because it makes power management more the problem of other people and not LinuxMay 09 08:56
DaemonFCand he can blame udev, HAL, or the stuff in KDE or GNOME that use themMay 09 08:56
DaemonFCwhen power management issues happenMay 09 08:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @Better_Software Tra una settimana termina lo sconto Early Bird. Affrettati! 09 08:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ♻ @mdz Biggest announcement so far at !UDS is how to pronounce Oneiric #ubuntuMay 09 08:56
msb_But hardware suspend would just be a bios/firmware procedure, right?May 09 08:56
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DaemonFCno, TuxOnIce takes suspend away from userspace utilities and moves it back into the kernelMay 09 08:57
DaemonFCit makes it possible to use a sort of Hybrid Suspend, like Windows hasMay 09 08:57
DaemonFClike Hibernate, but the system starts back up quicker May 09 08:57
DaemonFCand Reiser4 is an advanced file system that isn't in the kernel due mostly to politics and ongoing FUD at this pointMay 09 08:58
msb_Never having had a laptop I've ignored all this stuff.May 09 08:58
DaemonFCEdward Shishken has fixed all the "problems" the kernel maintainers pointed outMay 09 08:59
DaemonFCand it's still not in :PMay 09 08:59
DaemonFClaptops are funMay 09 08:59
DaemonFCyou close the lid and maybe they go to sleepMay 09 08:59
DaemonFCand maybe they overheat because they didn't shut downMay 09 08:59
DaemonFC:)May 09 08:59
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msb_So does reiserfs do anything that other fs don't, justifying software from murderer in the kernel?May 09 09:00
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DaemonFCof course that can happen on Windows too if the ACPI implementation is broken enoughMay 09 09:00
msb_Idiot Reiser.May 09 09:00
DaemonFCyeah, in fact, there's some features that Reiser4 can't use in Linux because there's no VFS functionality to support themMay 09 09:01
DaemonFCit could be written, but they are off writing BtrFS from scratch insteadMay 09 09:01
DaemonFCwhich has severe design problemsMay 09 09:01
msb_VFS = Virtual File System ?May 09 09:01
DaemonFClike running out of inodes and saying the disk is ful when you have 100 GB or more leftMay 09 09:01
DaemonFCyesMay 09 09:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Linaro will support arm15 as soon as it is released. !udsMay 09 09:01
DaemonFCthe VFS has most of the more generic filesystem functions, so they don't have to be implemented for every file systemMay 09 09:02
msb_AhMay 09 09:03
DaemonFCit's why the XFS driver has gotten so smallMay 09 09:03
MinceRgeekingsMay 09 09:03
DaemonFCthey've tossed a lot of XFS-specific code and used the VFS insteadMay 09 09:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @diritto2punto0 Oggi inizia #forumpa 2011. Potete seguire i principali appuntamenti in streaming all'indirizzo 09 09:03
msb_Good evening MinceRMay 09 09:03
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DaemonFCI'm worn outMay 09 09:03
DaemonFCI just junked a PC towerMay 09 09:04
msb_Owie!May 09 09:04
DaemonFCan old computer chair that was badly in need of replacement for some time May 09 09:04
DaemonFCand an old comfortor and mattress pad May 09 09:04
DaemonFC:PMay 09 09:04
*DaemonFC is kind of cheap, but eventually does break down and replace thingsMay 09 09:05
DaemonFC:)May 09 09:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] The Great Wall of LO is nearly completed: !minersMay 09 09:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @mdz #Linaro CEO George Grey lays out the challenges of the ARM Linux ecosystem and how Linaro plans to address them !UDSMay 09 09:05
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msb_Wow that's enough to provide someone with an entire life!May 09 09:05
DaemonFCI had holes in that comforter that I covered up with iron on denim patches May 09 09:05
DaemonFC:PMay 09 09:05
DaemonFCyeah, I just spent about $300 on bedding today :PMay 09 09:06
DaemonFCactually, moreMay 09 09:06
DaemonFCmy cat is busy sleeping on it and leaving fur there for meMay 09 09:07
DaemonFC:)May 09 09:07
DaemonFCbut I love himMay 09 09:07
msb_Improves the insulation!May 09 09:07
DaemonFCiirc, MinceR likes catsMay 09 09:07
DaemonFCbut believes dogs are the Axis of EvilMay 09 09:08
MinceRindeedMay 09 09:08
msb_I quite agree.May 09 09:08
MinceRwell, i wouldn't say they're the Axis of Evil, they're just monsters created by humansMay 09 09:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] !GNU Compiler Collection has huge impact! ♻ @AJEnglish: Can the GCC play the role of mediator in regional conflicts? 09 09:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] just found out that the last incomplete wedding issue had already been arranged by the boat company. which means: we're done!May 09 09:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ♻ @mdz #Linaro CEO George Grey lays out the challenges of the ARM Linux ecosystem and how Linaro plans to address themMay 09 09:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] I need to practice eating my leftovers.May 09 09:08
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msb_Slobber, smell, shit all over.  Yucko!May 09 09:08
DaemonFCnot all dogs are like thatMay 09 09:08
MinceRalso clawMay 09 09:08
DaemonFCI had an Australian Shepherd May 09 09:09
MinceRand randomly attack, terrorizeMay 09 09:09
DaemonFCshe was very well behavedMay 09 09:09
MinceRif they think they have a chance, they'll try to terrorize anyone for a chance of a better standing in the pack, as far as they consider thingsMay 09 09:09
DaemonFCthe dogs that piss me off are those little ones that bark all the time and jump up on you and scratch the shit out of your legsMay 09 09:09
DaemonFC:)May 09 09:09
MinceRplus they randomly learn behavior from humans around them, which is just as badMay 09 09:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] "What is this Macintosh crap here" -- Kiko @ #UDS-O :DMay 09 09:10
DaemonFCmy cat knows when I have junk food and pesters meMay 09 09:10
MinceRthey're much worse than wild animals and yet some people insist on keeping them in population centersMay 09 09:10
DaemonFCthat's a learned behaviorMay 09 09:10
DaemonFCMinceR, I wouldn't have any dog that was vicious or annoying May 09 09:11
msb_Wolves may be noble animals somehow, but the are best appreciated from hundreds of miles away, minimum.May 09 09:11
DaemonFCI've had a few dogs, and they were good dogsMay 09 09:11
DaemonFCit's all in the breed May 09 09:11
DaemonFCI've seen people with domesticated wolves as petsMay 09 09:11
DaemonFCand wolf-dog hybrids May 09 09:12
DaemonFCand raccoons for that matterMay 09 09:12
DaemonFCthey can be domesticated if they're around humans from an early ageMay 09 09:12
msb_Until one night they tear the baby's throat out.May 09 09:13
DaemonFCMy grandmother had a couple raccons in her garage, she has a freezer out thereMay 09 09:13
DaemonFCthey got into it and were tossing anything they didn't want behind themMay 09 09:13
DaemonFCpeople keep all kinds of weird things as petsMay 09 09:14
msb_They have opposable thumbs?May 09 09:14
DaemonFChell if I knowMay 09 09:14
DaemonFCI do know I went camping once and the raccoons stole a bag of oreosMay 09 09:15
DaemonFCI watched one of them make off with it :/May 09 09:15
msb_It's the mask.  They're just living up to their reputation.May 09 09:15
DaemonFCI was thinking "Somewhere out there, there's a sick raccoon next to an empty Oreos bag"May 09 09:16
DaemonFCB-)May 09 09:16
msb_A fat raccoon at least.May 09 09:16
DaemonFCmy cat has gotten so fat, he looks like a raccoon in the darkMay 09 09:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Portugal to Make #CC Licences Illegal? - no more #Wikipedia there?May 09 09:16
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DaemonFCI switched his cat food to one that's supposed to make him lose weightMay 09 09:17
DaemonFCit's been a couple weeks, and he's still a fat catMay 09 09:17
DaemonFCI think the vet cheated meMay 09 09:17
msb_Like you said, he's busy sleeping.May 09 09:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Samsung Galaxy S II pre-orders eclipse 3 million units worldwide - impressive #androidMay 09 09:18
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DaemonFCthe last thing I want is for him to become diabetic May 09 09:18
DaemonFCI used to think it was funny to feed him doritos and ice creamMay 09 09:19
DaemonFC:PMay 09 09:19
msb_Feed him less.May 09 09:19
msb_Or get him a Speedy Gonzales mouse.May 09 09:19
MinceR101026 < msb_> Wolves may be noble animals somehow, but the are best appreciated from hundreds of miles away, minimum.May 09 09:20
MinceRwell saidMay 09 09:20
DaemonFCwolves are awesome, they pick off children and the elderlyMay 09 09:20
MinceR101017 < DaemonFC> MinceR, I wouldn't have any dog that was vicious or annoyingMay 09 09:20
MinceRall dogs areMay 09 09:20
MinceRyou just might not know yet :>May 09 09:20
DaemonFCit's rare that a wolf attacks a healthy adult humanMay 09 09:21
msb_My sister wanted me to read Never Cry Wolf, by Farley Mowat, some wolf guy.  I told her I'd watch the movie.May 09 09:21
DaemonFCvery rareMay 09 09:21
DaemonFCWhat you have to look out for in Indiana is these fucking eco-terroristsMay 09 09:22
MinceRif you have to rely on being (and appearing) a healthy adult human, that should be a hint that you're doing it wrongMay 09 09:22
DaemonFCthey introduced bobcats and coyotes May 09 09:22
schestowitz[04:33] <tessier> schestowitz: Everything working well with the server lately?May 09 09:22
MinceRdo you really want a pet that will tear your throat out the moment you come down with sickness or old age?May 09 09:22
schestowitzYes, been having high loads at times :)May 09 09:22
DaemonFCMinceR, That's a wolf, I never said I would have a wolf as a petMay 09 09:23
DaemonFC:)May 09 09:23
MinceRdogs have the same tendencyMay 09 09:23
DaemonFCoh, my dog was the most mild mannered dog there ever wasMay 09 09:23
MinceRwas it dead?May 09 09:23
msb_Even when they like you they slobber all over you.May 09 09:24
DaemonFCshe died last year of old age May 09 09:24
MinceRwell, that's how a dog becomes mild-manneredMay 09 09:24
MinceRstill, they continue to stink after they dieMay 09 09:24
DaemonFCshe never bit or snapped or even growled at anyoneMay 09 09:24
DaemonFCand I had her since she was a puppyMay 09 09:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] European Commission comes clean on "anti-#piracy" talks - "stakeholder" talks that never include the publicMay 09 09:25
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DaemonFCI like some dogs, key word is someMay 09 09:25
msb_Friends of mine take in stray animals.  They took in a dog and it ate one of their cats.May 09 09:25
MinceRlike i said, they're monstersMay 09 09:25
DaemonFCMinceR, People who get Jack Russel Terriers need their head examinedMay 09 09:25
DaemonFCa golden retreiver? that's a good dogMay 09 09:26
msb_JRTs are nasty?May 09 09:26
DaemonFCthey're little, they're hyper, they shit all over the place, they hop up on people and scratch the hell out of them, they nip at youMay 09 09:27
DaemonFCthey're annoyingMay 09 09:27
DaemonFCnobody should keep one of those things as a petMay 09 09:27
DaemonFC:)May 09 09:27
msb_Maybe if you have cockroaches...May 09 09:27
DaemonFCschestowitz, I got Jabba professionally groomed todayMay 09 09:28
msb_Jabba is your cat???May 09 09:28
DaemonFCyeahMay 09 09:29
msb_No wonder he's fat!May 09 09:29
DaemonFCthat's why he is JabbaMay 09 09:29
DaemonFCRahsa Dabba Goa Nola Wookie Nipple Pinchy! Ho Ho Ho!May 09 09:29
msb_Maybe get him another cat to  play with.May 09 09:29
DaemonFCBring me Solo, and a cookie!May 09 09:29
DaemonFClandlord would kill me if he found out I had more than one catMay 09 09:30
DaemonFCit's on my lease, one cat onlyMay 09 09:30
MinceRhave Jabba kill himMay 09 09:30
DaemonFCand I'm his only tenant that's allowed to have a catMay 09 09:30
msb_Just what I was thinking!May 09 09:30
DaemonFCbecause I told him I'd just find a landlord who let me keep Jabba, because I wasn't moving anywhere without himMay 09 09:31
DaemonFC:)May 09 09:31
msb_Amazing how many landlords are evil.May 09 09:31
msb_Not that yours is necessarily.May 09 09:32
DaemonFCevil, cheapMay 09 09:32
DaemonFCsends their son out to install things backwardsMay 09 09:32
DaemonFCusing duct tape May 09 09:32
DaemonFCwith a cigarette hanging out of the corner of his mouthMay 09 09:32
DaemonFC:PMay 09 09:32
DaemonFCyes, mine is evilMay 09 09:32
DaemonFCeven before the hating cats partMay 09 09:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] Even though I am getting much more involved with other #distros and one #distro in particular, !Ubuntu 's #UDS remotely for me again :)!May 09 09:33
msb_Leave Jabba with friends for a week and get a cougar.  Still just one cat.May 09 09:34
msb_Finish off the landlord and his backward son.May 09 09:34
MinceRlolMay 09 09:34
DaemonFChmmmMay 09 09:35
DaemonFCa "cat" you say?May 09 09:35
DaemonFCdoesn't specify the breedMay 09 09:35
DaemonFC:DMay 09 09:35
msb_I was in the healthfood store today and a woman came in with a bird on her head.  Looked like a mini-parrot.  She said it was a conyer or something like that.May 09 09:35
MinceRor even the speciesMay 09 09:36
msb_Funny thing was, her hair looked like a nest.May 09 09:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] SchoolOS Digital Library - 09 09:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] European Commission comes clean on "anti-#piracy" talks - "stakeholder" talks that never include the publicMay 09 09:38
msb_I had a cat once, that when I moved a door and it pushed a cardboard box on the floor the cat sprang upward two feet in the air.May 09 09:38
msb_Must have sounded like something big hissing.May 09 09:39
MinceR:>May 09 09:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to Göttingen.May 09 09:40
msb_It was one of two sister cats.  One day one of them was sleeping on the couch and her sister snuck up and pounced on her!May 09 09:40
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msb_Just for fun.May 09 09:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Open Data: UK Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council Adopts EPSRC Policy Framework - #opendataMay 09 09:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] oh look kmem russian roulette! dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/kmem bs=1 count=1 seek=$RANDOM !linux !gnu !ubuntu !debianMay 09 09:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] At the !unity 2d session. !udsMay 09 09:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Explaining to americans why they are americans wrt nationality/Demonym. #ignoranceIsBlissMay 09 09:51
msb_My favorite song: 09 09:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Ok, bugger this, i'm gonna use can't get to work properly, looks like a complete reinstall jobby :(May 09 09:55
schestowitzHeh. I'm quoted in this article 09 09:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @gotunandan I'd have taken the Nexus S (super amoled !!!). But I would personally wait right now and go for Galaxy S 2 or HTC SensationMay 09 09:58
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 09-May-11 09:01:53 UTC - @goforbes28  I'm finishing the "How Windows is used to suppress activists" article since it's undone for days nowMay 09 10:02
msb_schestowitz: That's a very good article.  Descriptions of the layoffs, and then the CEO saying "we believe this is great news.”May 09 10:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @goforbes28 I'm finishing the "How Windows is used to suppress activists" article since it's undone for days nowMay 09 10:03
msb_schestowitz:  If thoughts could kill, that guy would be in Hell right now!May 09 10:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Unicode with Latex - 09 10:06
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MinceRfinally, you can do Look Of Disapproval in LaTeX ;)May 09 10:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @jwildeboer: @sandersch Read the comments, exp. the red one ;-) 09 10:08
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msb_MinceR: What is Look Of Disapproval?May 09 10:12
MinceRmsb_: this:May 09 10:13
MinceRಠ_ಠMay 09 10:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Radical #copyright law reform to boost #Ireland’s digital economy? - but how radical? (v @StelfoxIT @copyrightgirl)May 09 10:13
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msb_I see two squares and an underscore.  Looks more neutral to me than disapproving.May 09 10:14
msb_Am I seeing it right?  Should those squares be something else?May 09 10:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Mobile Web & Application Best Practices 8-w online course early bird rate ends 20 May. 150+ already enrolled, more welcome! 09 10:15
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MinceRit should be a certain Kannada character instead of the squaresMay 09 10:15
MinceRmsb_: 09 10:17
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msb_That one I can see!  Thanks.May 09 10:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Keyboard shortcuts will be maintained in sync "manually" in !unity 3D and 2D by way of good documentation shared between the teams. !udsMay 09 10:23
schestowitz[10:03] <msb_> schestowitz: That's a very good article.  Descriptions of the layoffs, and then the CEO saying "we believe this is great news.hMay 09 10:24
schestowitzHovsepian?May 09 10:24
schestowitzHe got $6 million in bonuses every year I thinkMay 09 10:24
schestowitz ?_?May 09 10:24
schestowitzOdd.May 09 10:25
schestowitzI think my charset changedMay 09 10:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @q4td “Your mobile phone has more computing power than all of NASA in 1969. NASA launched a man to the moon. We launch a bird into pi ...May 09 10:25
msb_schestowitz: Jeff Hawn, CEOMay 09 10:26
schestowitzHaMay 09 10:26
schestowitz!google jeff hawn kills bisonMay 09 10:26
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Austin Man Due in Court for Bison Slaying ( Jeff Hawn ) | 09 10:26
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Diablo-D3INTO PIGS DAMNITMay 09 10:26
Diablo-D3INTOMay 09 10:26
Diablo-D3PIGSMay 09 10:26
MinceRwutMay 09 10:26
schestowitzWTH?May 09 10:26
Diablo-D3[05:24:30] -TRIdentica/#techrights- [wildcard/@wildcard] RT @q4td “Your mobile phone has more computing power than all of NASA in 1969. NASA launched a man to the moon. We launch a bird into pi ...May 09 10:26
schestowitzI had Japanese set for fontsMay 09 10:26
schestowitzNo idea why it changedMay 09 10:27
MinceR:)May 09 10:27
schestowitzಠ_ಠMay 09 10:27
schestowitzback to utfMay 09 10:27
msb_schestowitz: Your remark about Microsoft was right on!May 09 10:27
schestowitzjust thought sending out the warning to others was importantMay 09 10:27
schestowitzshe asked me for commentsMay 09 10:27
msb_Didn't MS totally steal some company's disk encryption system that the company demo'ed for MS?May 09 10:29
MinceRsounds like themMay 09 10:29
schestowitzThat's their modus operandi, even in the i4i caseMay 09 10:29
schestowitzthey want to be 'partners'May 09 10:29
schestowitzThen they get inside and see what to copyMay 09 10:29
MinceRthey did it to Stacker too, iircMay 09 10:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Proprietary Software Against Civil Rights #windows #microsoft #nsa #privacy #activismMay 09 10:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Proprietary Software Against Civil Rights #bbc #gamma #egypt #eavesdropping #civilrights #gnu #linuxMay 09 10:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Mozilla building on Firefox's dominant share in #Indonesia - currently running at massive 75 to 80 percentMay 09 10:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] As a FYI - URIs with a #! in them (twitter, eg) are NOT URIs. They are fragmented crap that abuse the standard.May 09 10:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @glynmoody Mozilla building on Firefox's dominant share in #Indonesia - currently running at massive 75 to 80 percentMay 09 10:33
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msb_KDE4 messed up, Sax2 dropped causing display problems for many, pulseaudio and phonon made the default over alsa when they don't work with lots of systems.  All done by Novell after it partnered with Microsoft.May 09 10:33
DaemonFCSax2 caused display problemsMay 09 10:34
DaemonFC:)May 09 10:34
msb_I used to be able t recommend Suse to people without reservation.  Now I don't know what to tell them.May 09 10:34
msb_The lack of Sax2 prevents many people from setting their display resolution properly.May 09 10:35
DaemonFCboth ATI and Nvidia have control panels that can do thatMay 09 10:35
DaemonFCand as far as I know, the native KDE applet works for all the open source driversMay 09 10:36
DaemonFCSax2 was more distro NIH crapMay 09 10:36
msb_DaemonFC: What do you mean?May 09 10:37
msb_It always worked great for me.May 09 10:37
DaemonFCdropping Sax2 isn't the problem, the lack of good autoyast support for proprietary drivers + shipping ancient Mesa and free drivers is what makes video drivers work bad or not at all in OpenSuse 11.4May 09 10:38
DaemonFCSax2 is not really needed May 09 10:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @jwildeboer As a FYI - URIs with a #! in them (twitter, eg) are NOT URIs. They are fragmented crap that abuse the standard.May 09 10:38
MinceRxrandr works too (from command line)May 09 10:38
DaemonFCgetting rid of it lets the user figure out that they are supposed to use their card driver's setup programMay 09 10:38
DaemonFCwhich usually works rightMay 09 10:39
DaemonFCI think OpenSuse 11.4 is still shipping Mesa 7.9May 09 10:39
DaemonFCwhich is unreasonable May 09 10:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Unity lenses will both work in 2D and 3D !udsMay 09 10:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !unity 3D settings now in ccsm to move to gsettings !udsMay 09 10:40
DaemonFC7.10 was out and stable well in time for OpenSuse 11.4, and because they went with 7.9 instead, a lot of cards have no 3d support at allMay 09 10:40
DaemonFCeven when they would in 7.10May 09 10:40
DaemonFCThey also ship the ATI 6.13.1 driver, when 6.14 was out and supports Evergreen cards a lot betterMay 09 10:41
DaemonFC:PMay 09 10:41
DaemonFCbooMay 09 10:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Moving !Unity 2D to Compiz from Metacity: compiz can run on diffferent backends, including non accelerated ones, even based on QPainter !udsMay 09 10:41
DaemonFCthey're way too conservative when it comes to versions of major componentsMay 09 10:42
DaemonFCthey still manage to have a lot of bugs but they ALSO don't support a lot of new-ish hardwareMay 09 10:42
DaemonFCwhat a deal!May 09 10:42
msb_Sax2 filled in a lot of gaps when setup programs didn't work or monitors had unusual resolutions.  There's nothing wrong with having multiple ways to do the same thing.  May 09 10:43
DaemonFCThe quality of Suse releases has been getting steadily worseMay 09 10:43
msb_Yes.May 09 10:43
MinceRwhich is quite a featMay 09 10:44
MinceR:>May 09 10:44
DaemonFCwhat was hilarious was when they were competing with AIGLX and only allowed XGL by defaultMay 09 10:44
DaemonFCeven though it didn't run well on anything and didn't run at all on a lot of cardsMay 09 10:44
schestowitz[10:34] <msb_> I used to be able t recommend Suse to people without reservation.  Now I don't know what to tell them.May 09 10:44
schestowitzpclinuxosMay 09 10:44
DaemonFCXGL itself might run well, but even if that happens, load a gameMay 09 10:45
msb_Running xrandr after the DE is already up and objects are already sized doesn't do what's needed.May 09 10:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @supertunaman: We're pleased to announce #FRAMED – A Platform for New Art Forms. By THA, A-Study, and Openmoko. Visit: 09 10:45
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DaemonFChope you like a 90% performance dropMay 09 10:45
DaemonFCXGL might have worked if every program that uses OpenGL was patched to account for XGL being in useMay 09 10:45
DaemonFC(yeah....)May 09 10:46
DaemonFCXGL was sort of doing for X what Unity does for desktop environmentsMay 09 10:46
DaemonFCas long as you're willing to patch hundreds of applications, the inidcator scheme may work a little betterMay 09 10:46
DaemonFCbut there's always going to be a lot of things that never work rightMay 09 10:47
DaemonFCXGL and Unity are the kind of shit you get when something is designed behind closed doors with no community inputMay 09 10:47
MinceRthe indicator scheme won't work betterMay 09 10:48
MinceRthey're trying to dictate what is allowed to use itMay 09 10:48
DaemonFCI'm saying in theory it couldMay 09 10:48
MinceRthey shoehorn multiple apps into one iconMay 09 10:48
DaemonFCjust like in theory XGL coule work better than AIGLX May 09 10:48
DaemonFCif the whole world changes to suit themMay 09 10:48
DaemonFC:PMay 09 10:48
MinceRand i don't even think it's consistent with the GUI in generalMay 09 10:48
MinceR(right click to menu is correct)May 09 10:48
MinceRindicator crapplets only make things worse, not betterMay 09 10:48
MinceReven if you don't count that everything has to be rewritten to support itMay 09 10:49
sebsebsebMinceR: DaemonFC Ubuntu Hype weekMay 09 10:49
sebsebsebschestowitz: ^May 09 10:49
DaemonFCMinceR, A lot of apps don't support it at allMay 09 10:50
DaemonFCand a lot of apps that do support it have broken support for itMay 09 10:50
DaemonFCthat's why I call it the indicator crapplet May 09 10:50
DaemonFCthe state it is in now hasn't improved much since it was introducedMay 09 10:50
MinceRmy point is that it's ill-conceived anywayMay 09 10:51
MinceRit's a crApple-ish attempt to break things and assume controlMay 09 10:51
MinceRmake it look and behave differentlyMay 09 10:51
MinceRand tell others what they're allowed to doMay 09 10:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] I hate (this is the right word) .docx and its implementation in Libreoffice. A simple document becomes a nightmare. #WTFMay 09 10:56
DaemonFCMinceR, Obey!May 09 10:57
DaemonFCerrr, I mean cooperate May 09 10:57
MinceR:>May 09 10:57
DaemonFCfollow glorious leader to prosperity!May 09 10:57
DaemonFC(and keep following, it could happen any time now)May 09 10:57
DaemonFC 09 11:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] interview with Peter Troxler about #OpenDesign and Fab Labs - interesting comments from practitioner (v @remixtures)May 09 11:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] RT @floeff Who is a member of The Document Foundation already? !libo !tdfMay 09 11:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] As @fabsh always points out, applications that are made default in Ubuntu now, are already in Fedora for 6 months or more. eg: deja dupMay 09 11:03
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DaemonFCWine runs HALO now, with the free radeon drivers no lessMay 09 11:04
DaemonFCthe only passable game to ever run on the XBOX May 09 11:05
DaemonFC(which of course also makes it a Platinum Hit)May 09 11:05
DaemonFC:)May 09 11:05
*DaemonFC circles MinceR's base running him over repeatedly with the WarthogMay 09 11:06
DaemonFCisn't this fun? :)May 09 11:06
DaemonFCWe could play Halo 2 for Vista if you want, it lets you score hits even if you miss!May 09 11:07
DaemonFCMicrosoft is lucky they're only really competing with SonyMay 09 11:09
DaemonFCyou get your choice of bad and worse (and I never can tell which is which)May 09 11:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Irish Job Minister: “#Copyright Monopoly Is Bad For Our Businesses & Economy” - "unthinkable just 2 years ago" #irelandMay 09 11:10
DaemonFCoh well, if the only thing PS3 and XBOX 360 do is keep all the idiots away from the Wii, I'm happy May 09 11:10
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DaemonFCthe last thing I want is for Nintendo to be pressured into releasing consoles with an 86% failure rate with mediocre games that make you buy the other half of the game online B-)May 09 11:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] at the !UbuntuOne session !udsMay 09 11:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] New blag post: I don't have a problem 09 11:11
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DaemonFCUbuntu Developer SummitMay 09 11:12
DaemonFCis this where the Design Daleks go to figure out where all the remaining good software is and EXTERMINATE?May 09 11:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 148 million downloads on 2011-05-09 10:12 UTCMay 09 11:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] Hmm from !listening to one !Ubuntu #UDS session online, to another that I am also not really interested in!May 09 11:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] "it is in the nature of poetry to lend itself to innovation" - more thoughts on "radical copyright law reform"May 09 11:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] the question of the !ubuntuone session is: how to collaborate on files !udsMay 09 11:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Awh, janked my URL.'t_Have_A_ProblemMay 09 11:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Awh, janked my URL.'t_Have_a_ProblemMay 09 11:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] I guess he wanted to step out for a cigarette. </sarcasm> 09 11:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Omg! Ubuntu! : !Firefox to remain the default browser in !Ubuntu 11.10 #uds 09 11:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Please join us in welcoming our newest member, Ixonos! #linuxMay 09 11:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] So in that last story, we have a Gossip Mag, the @mailonline, moaning about another Gossip getting things wrong. That's funnyMay 09 11:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] ♺ @glynmoody: Irish Job Minister: “#Copyright Monopoly Is Bad For Our Businesses & Economy” - "unthinkable 2 years ago"May 09 11:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] TalkTalk may give customers the option of filtering malicious or offensive material out of their broadband service 09 11:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] In a world of decentralization and federation, intellectual monopolies (copyright, patents) look like outdated relics from the past.May 09 11:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] It has to be said, there a lot of Canonical refugees at the moment. This story at THINQ 09 11:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @silner Omg! Ubuntu! : !Firefox to remain the default browser in !Ubuntu 11.10 #uds 09 11:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] #mustread cc @neeliekroeseu @ccbuhr @jimmyschulz @marietjed66May 09 11:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tuxradar/@tuxradar] Your views wanted for our podcast open ballot: what is Linux's killer feature? 09 11:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Interesting. My horizontal brag layout looks fine in MicroB, but fails in !Firefox 4 Mobile. !n900May 09 12:05
MinceRthe coward has run awayMay 09 12:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Financial Ties Bind Medical Societies to Drug and Device Makers - this is not a good ideaMay 09 12:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] House GOP mark #BP spill anniversary with rush for new drilling - this stuff is a crime against the environment #energyMay 09 12:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Courts that issue {hyper,super} injunctions should be shamed as totalitarian regimes IMHO. cc @methoddanMay 09 12:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Google releases Honeycomb-optimized Google Earth, other apps coming soon 09 12:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jordigh/@jordigh] On the final leg of my trip home after the !sagemath conference.May 09 12:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @laurelrusswurm: "Dear Users of the AnonOps Network," (via @carwinb) - heads up AnonymousMay 09 12:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Postscript to Singapore Elections via @globalvoices #sgelectionMay 09 12:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @BarrettBrownLOL: Why #Anonymous should decentralize into loose network of small, secure groups: 09 12:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !OpenSource Reddit : Apple does not publish required source code... no surprise « not providing LGPL webkit sourceMay 09 13:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Destructoid : PlayStation Network to return by May 31 « How many times has that date been pushed back now?May 09 13:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Good Assange Cambridge WikiLeaks talk released (video) 09 13:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Aewesome! 09 13:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] The reason why the rearview mirror is small and the windshield is big. Where you're headed is more important than what you have left behind.May 09 13:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] WP Press Release - #sgelectionMay 09 13:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !KDE SC 4.6.3 Released with Various Bug Fixes 09 13:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Great thank you note from NSP's Nicole Seah - #sgelectionMay 09 13:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Frühling, Sommer, Herbst, Winter - und das sind nur di enatürlichen Feinde der #Bahn! 09 13:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] London, May 10: WikiLeaks to be awarded Sydney Peace Foundation Medal 4 courage 09 13:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Can #superinjunctions survive the internet? - good summary of an unfolding story #ukMay 09 13:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @glynmoody: Can #superinjunctions survive the internet? - good summary of an unfolding story #ukMay 09 13:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] ♺ @x1101: @jwildeboer and enemies of the very people/laws they are sworn to protect/uphold < Full ACK, time to protest?May 09 13:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] La Nacion (Costa Rica): EUA: ‘la justicia se compra y se vende en Nicaragua’ | 09 13:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @richslxh @reality s/bloroll/blogroll/gMay 09 13:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Phoronix : Don't Look For SystemD On !Ubuntu Anytime Soon 09 13:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The Consumerist : #Sony: Our #Security Was Up To Date 09 13:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] P Nev to G Nev : u should host top of the pops! G Nev to P Nev: ! Id rather host 'Top of the League' !mufcMay 09 13:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] SecurityWeek RSS Feed : Network Firewall Vendors Address #TCP Split Handshake #Vulnerability 1090 at 09 13:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Things are defintely rifting. No Wayland on !Fedora; No System D on !Ubuntu - it's more like root and branching than forkingMay 09 13:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Phoronix : Just Announced: !Qt 5 To Be Released Next Year 09 13:45
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GoForbes28hi schestowitz:May 09 13:48
GoForbes28You didn't really have to credit me with the latest article, I was busy all weekend and didn't get the opportunity to really get involvedMay 09 13:49
GoForbes28Sorry about thatMay 09 13:49
GoForbes28*credit me inMay 09 13:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @jwildeboer: @x1101 Here's a plan: all UK citizens file 4 their own super injunction. On the same day. At the same court. #flashmobMay 09 13:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @hayleycampbelly: RT @ApocalypseHow: How wrong is it that we honor our mothers by bringing them embryos in bed?May 09 13:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Carqueija rice, at O Cortiço, Viseu, Portugal. 09 14:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Designing open collaboration in Red Hat Global Support Services by @samfw | #hackmanagement #silosMay 09 14:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #ScottishGas are incompetent wankers who don't want customers, blog post coming laterMay 09 14:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Thoughts about QT 5 from Nokia 09 14:03
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GoForbes28roy?May 09 14:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Dear lazyweb - looking for a UK lawyer that can spell out the process of getting a {super, hyper} injunction - any pointers?May 09 14:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Installing Gpodder. Thought I could manage with Liferea, but I couldn't slim down my podcasts enough, still grabbing 25May 09 14:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] greasemonkey/jquery #bugzilla mash-up for qa work is almost done #work; preparing to move from xml to json to communicate internally.May 09 14:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] backend is refactored to only 20% of the code. but started experimenting with #node.js... I am sure I can replace #PHP completely!May 09 14:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] "Life is async"May 09 14:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @mlinksva RT @glynmoody Irish Job Minister: “#Copyright Monopoly Is Bad For Our Businesses & Economy” - "unthink ...May 09 14:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Back from the lunch. The session I wanted to attend from 15:00 (Free Culture Showcase) has been canceled... :(May 09 14:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Hanging out with @bkuhn at #SambaXP.May 09 14:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Dear domainregrenew [dot] com. You are a #SCAM.May 09 14:30
schestowitzGoForbes28: hiMay 09 14:30
schestowitzno worriesMay 09 14:30
schestowitzthanks fot the opening paragraphMay 09 14:30
schestowitzlet me know how it progresses usually, I didn't know if I could editMay 09 14:31
schestowitzGoForbes28: wanna do a few now?May 09 14:31
schestowitzI typed 5 posts down at the gymMay 09 14:31
schestowitzdraftsMay 09 14:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] What the heck is going on at #UDS? Any news? Where is #OMGfailBuntu when you need them??May 09 14:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] As a rule, I don't like families. I prefer groups of people who choose each others company. !gopMay 09 14:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @Asher_Wolf @sethmnookin: #WSJ says uploaders to its Wikileaks-esque site must own #copyright to docs >>clueless much?May 09 14:33
GoForbes28I would like to accept any repercussions for my inactions hereMay 09 14:33
GoForbes28I should have tried harderMay 09 14:34
GoForbes28I am disappointed with myselfMay 09 14:34
GoForbes28It would make me feel better if you removed the credits from that articleMay 09 14:35
GoForbes28I believe in reasonable effort for fair creditMay 09 14:35
GoForbes28and I don't believe I put in that level of effort this timeMay 09 14:36
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Viper550I noticed a little error in the stepmania postMay 09 14:36
GoForbes28the what post?May 09 14:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @conservancy: RedMonk has an article about #Selenium joining #Conservancy. 09 14:36
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Viper550on the recent newsMay 09 14:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] ♺ @gbraad backend is refactored to only 20% of the code. but started experimenting with #node.js... I am sure I can replace #PHP completely!May 09 14:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Some interesting GNOME Shell extensions 09 14:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @copyrightgirl Google News ruling: they ruled it is not a 'passive intermediary' & took issue with cached pages linking to news articlesMay 09 14:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] XKCD: Marie Curie 09 14:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] When in front of a hostile audience, you should begin by addressing them as "gentlemen". Opening with an insult puts them off guard. !gopMay 09 14:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @ubuntuone We’re making some changes to mobile contacts sync 09 14:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] A software prototype for translating financial reports from the XBRL format into the OWL language (SemWeb): 09 14:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Conde Nast to offer iPad subscriptions for The New Yorker, Wired, six other magazines by month's end (Engadget): 09 14:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Oracle starts work on MySQL 5.6 (InfoWorld): 09 14:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Steve Jobs On The Difference Between A Vice President And A Janitor (Business Insider): 09 15:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] Despite the author's express intent, DFW's The Pale King's Author's Forward leaves me acutely titty-pinched. #agonizinglyinfluencedMay 09 15:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] Qt5 cometh! 09 15:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] At the cleaning up startup applications session...May 09 15:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Threat of #Mono on Android and on #Ubuntu is Not Totally Gone Yet 09 15:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] New Blog Post | #ScottishGas Don't Want Customers 09 15:06
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sebsebsebschestowitz: Got the head set now :)May 09 15:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] The Threat of !Mono on Android and on !Ubuntu is Not Totally Gone Yet #swpats #android #linux #gnu #tomboyMay 09 15:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Contact Sync is dead! Long live Contact Sync! (later this year, for now ... erm ... well ...) #UbuntuOneMay 09 15:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] AMD and Coreboot 09 15:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Journalist or not? Wrong question (Dave Winer): (via @techmeme)May 09 15:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] El PRO quiere imponer la censura en internet - #argentina's censorship in the name of copyright (v @beabusaniche)May 09 15:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Manchester, Manchester !United, A bunch of bouncing Busby babes, They deserve to be knighted.May 09 15:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Copyright Maximalists Come Out Against New TLDs Because It Creates 'More Space' For Infringement - if new, then badMay 09 15:33
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schestowitzsebsebseb: niceMay 09 15:34
schestowitzwanna record now?May 09 15:34
schestowitzI think tim wants to be on at the same timeMay 09 15:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ann Arbor library acquires lending, sharing and copying rights to Creative Commons music catalog - interesting #ccMay 09 15:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Season of Renames #sco #novell #UnXis #unix #tsg #linux #mono #attachmate #microsoft #attachMSFT #suseMay 09 15:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Season of Renames #sco #novell #UnXis #unix #tsg #linux #mono #attachmate #microsoft #opensuseMay 09 15:36
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sebsebsebschestowitz: no not nowMay 09 15:37
sebsebsebschestowitz: 1.  I got it, but not set it up  2. I am listening to some of the Ubuntu Developer SUmmit stuffMay 09 15:38
sebsebseband yeahMay 09 15:38
sebsebseb3. I am not in a rush to record anywayMay 09 15:38
sebsebseb4. probably for some other  reasons today isn't really the best day as well, and so onMay 09 15:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Best iFixit teardown ever: FBI tracking bug - clever: expose what they don't want exposed, and they might think twiceMay 09 15:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] I feel very sleepy... I need #caffeineMay 09 15:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] Just backed the Arduino Project Board project on kickstarter. Just $10 for a really useful reward! 09 15:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #TalkTalk offers centralised website blocking with horrendous customer service, this will just add to their popularityMay 09 15:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] #Apple Makes Free/Open Source Software Look Bad, Illegal #mac #opensource #webkit #kde #khtml #licensing #swpatsMay 09 15:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Apple Makes Free/Open Source Software Look Bad, Illegal #freesoftware #browser #security #hypeOSMay 09 15:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Starting the clock on DMCA takedown for ifixit's FBI tracking device teardown ... #SaveThatPageMay 09 15:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana Well, she said it wasn't Canonical...May 09 15:50
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schestowitz!google microsoft florianMay 09 15:53
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - How Microsoft Florian 'Cooks' Spin | Techrights | 09 15:53
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - It's SCO Tactics All Over Again: Microsoft Florian Caught Lying ... | 09 15:53
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - The Provenance of Florian Müller – Updated | 09 15:53
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Oops: No copied Java code or weapons of mass destruction found in ... | 09 15:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] BTW - my pix are never photoshopped. They might be #gimped ;-) #FreeIsBetterMay 09 15:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Advanced animations in Aurora with CSS3 Animations 09 15:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @fabsh Same question which you failed to ask.May 09 15:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Mint #XFCE was a disaster on the netbook, far too clunky to be usable sadly :( I'm now installing #CrunchbangMay 09 15:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] » How GE 2011 proved me—oh, so wonderfully!—wrong #sgelectionMay 09 15:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Pirate Bay: “The Battle of Internets is About to Begin” - the War on Sharing has been underway for a whileMay 09 16:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Android überholt Apple iOS in Deutschland - #android ahead of iPhone in #Germany tooMay 09 16:01
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GoForbes28Diablo-D3: 09 16:06
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Diablo-D3what the fuckMay 09 16:06
Diablo-D3jeremy has hair!May 09 16:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Outing myself (as I've already done): I've passively observed #Harmony drafters; #Chatham_House_Rule prevents saying more #HarmonygateMay 09 16:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fontana we have already proposed Statham House Rules for #Harmony - Put up or get hurt ;-) 09 16:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Revisit the question of the 700MiB CD limit !uds !ubuntuMay 09 16:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana There was a lot I failed to ask. I did give my best though and I'm totally happy to discuss some more with you on the show.May 09 16:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] #IBM and #Google Still Not Committed to Crushing Software Patents #swpats #policy #nortel #oin #linux #fossMay 09 16:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] IBM and Google Still Not Committed to Crushing Software Patents #uspto #monopoly #law #patents #redhatMay 09 16:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] As British as Raspberry Pi? - could a BBC Micro 2.0 save school tech teaching, & revitalise the hi-tech sector? #ukMay 09 16:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU agency sued for #transparency on #toxic chemicals - commercial confidentiality trumps public safety, it seemsMay 09 16:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana Believe me, I tried.... @allisonrandal has uncanny powers, I tell you.... ;)May 09 16:38
GoForbes28schestowitz: interview, BBLMay 09 16:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Ziggo MODEM nog steeds niet geleverd, balen als een stekker :-(May 09 16:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @fabsh I know, I just didn't think powers of @allisonrandal would work on you #sighMay 09 16:41
sebsebsebschestowitz: What kind of questions would you ask me for Techbytes by the way?May 09 16:42
schestowitzabout the distroMay 09 16:43
sebsebsebthat's the thingMay 09 16:43
sebsebsebI can't really say much about itMay 09 16:43
schestowitzI know you don't want personal quuestionMay 09 16:43
sebsebsebthat's what the other guy would be on forMay 09 16:43
schestowitzCoolMay 09 16:43
schestowitzI remember how we first met hereMay 09 16:43
schestowitzI thought you trolled usMay 09 16:43
sebsebsebI can say like about me and distro's,  what I used and when and why, and how I ended up in #boycottnovell even yeahMay 09 16:44
sebsebsebandMay 09 16:44
schestowitzCause you pasted to Bruce something about Penguin Pete's rantMay 09 16:44
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schestowitzNot sure if that was Bruce ByfieldMay 09 16:44
sebsebseband why I want to do Mageia stuffMay 09 16:44
schestowitzsebsebseb: yes, that would be good tooMay 09 16:44
schestowitztim should be on tooMay 09 16:44
sebsebseb,but for the proper stuff to do with Mageia, that's what the other guy will be on for after me sometime probably June.May 09 16:44
schestowitzyou two spoke beforeMay 09 16:44
sebsebsebyeah goblin can interview me as well ask questionsMay 09 16:45
sebsebsebwhen we do itMay 09 16:45
sebsebsebprobably not this week by the wayMay 09 16:45
sebsebsebschestowitz: anyway one of the things was how you were oped, and I said not to show op on Freenode all the time, when I was newMay 09 16:46
sebsebseband then you thought I may have been some troll as a result basicalleyMay 09 16:46
sebsebseb,because the anti Mono people would apparently do stuffl ike that, or whatever it wasMay 09 16:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana I'm just a human as well. I'm sorry. :(May 09 16:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #NVIDIA Optimus Unofficially Comes To #Linux when will the company explain how it messes with the kernel though? Blobs.May 09 16:47
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sebsebsebschestowitz: so if it's done this way, it will be added into an episode?  not be the whole episode?May 09 16:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Plasma + #KWin = beautiful ! !kdeMay 09 16:50
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schestowitzsebsebseb: yes, exactlyMay 09 16:50
schestowitzNow we don't have real trolls hereMay 09 16:51
schestowitzSo no need for opsMay 09 16:51
sebsebsebuh?May 09 16:51
sebsebsebnow we don't have trolls here?May 09 16:51
schestowitzIt's better when everyone behaves reasonably well and everyone is equalMay 09 16:51
MinceRlol wutMay 09 16:51
schestowitzsebsebseb: I think..May 09 16:51
schestowitznothing like MUTEXMay 09 16:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @sazius: @x1101 I'd love to hear @fontana's comments or rebuttals on !lo however, cc @kevingranade @fabshMay 09 16:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Slackware 13.37 has been proven to be a stable and secure release." #Slackware #kdeMay 09 16:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Bad media: We can't even reject a low-level job application without it becoming a spin: 09 16:52
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schestowitzMinceR: sorry, I forgot *you* ;-)May 09 16:52
MinceRschestowitz: you fail againMay 09 16:52
sebsebsebI think that Mageia guy when he comes on, will talk quite a long time like Jono :)  need to chat to him about that again some time, but when I last did, it sounded like, he wanted to be more invovled with Mageia before doing that,  because he's been busy with work and suchMay 09 16:52
MinceRschestowitz: hint: there's the guy whose nick ends in a numberMay 09 16:52
sebsebsebschestowitz: so yeah some time after the final,  I guess I can probably get him to come on :) ,because he still wants toMay 09 16:53
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 09-May-11 15:39:14 UTC - Mark Shuttleworth Prefers GPL V3 top man. #SteveofLinux #gplv3 !gnuMay 09 16:53
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sebsebsebwe have trolls.  Diablo-D3 at times and DeamonFC for exmapleMay 09 16:53
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 09-May-11 15:39:14 UTC - Mark Shuttleworth Prefers GPL V3 top man. #SteveofLinux #gplv3 !gnuMay 09 16:53
sebsebsebat timesMay 09 16:53
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sebsebsebschestowitz: Ubuntu hypeMay 09 16:53
MinceRsebsebseb: those tooMay 09 16:53
sebsebsebblah de blahMay 09 16:53
*sebsebseb has been listening to some of the UDS stuff today even hmmMay 09 16:53
schestowitzyeahMay 09 16:53
MinceRthey just don't troll that much latelyMay 09 16:53
schestowitzFrom the "Cult of Ubuntu" siteMay 09 16:54
schestowitzCheck out the siteMay 09 16:54
Diablo-D3sebsebseb: fuck you dude.May 09 16:54
sebsebsebDiablo-D3: well I meant you sometimes say troll like stuffMay 09 16:54
ThistleWeboh, there's an "l" in that word, I read it wrong ;PMay 09 16:54
sebsebsebCan we fix it?  Yes we can, uhmm listening to an old CD here, and that's what is playing nowMay 09 16:54
Diablo-D3dude, I just say ubuntu is a microsoft productMay 09 16:54
sebsebsebBob The Builder songMay 09 16:54
Diablo-D3its not like Im wrongMay 09 16:54
sebsebseboh that was so popular, years agoMay 09 16:54
Diablo-D3sebsebseb: "can we fix it?! no, its fucked!"May 09 16:55
schestowitzDiablo-D3: it has Microsoft code in monoMay 09 16:55
schestowitzBut that's about itMay 09 16:55
schestowitzThe kernel part probably doesn't have the hyperv TrojanMay 09 16:55
ThistleWeblistening to the latest techbytes, a couple of comments......1st I was increasingly rambling and off topic at times, my bad.....2nd Rusty REALLY needs to learn to use the mute button to move about, the noise if bad when he does thatMay 09 16:56
msb_Judging from the constant attacks on Ubuntu by the Microsoft anti-Linux propagandists in comp.os.linux.advocacy, Microsoft is very worried about Ubuntu catching on in a big way.May 09 16:57
sebsebsebnot listended to that Fedora episode just yet, but will of courseMay 09 16:57
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MinceRmust be sad for them, considering that ubuntu sometimes supports m$ agendaMay 09 16:57
MinceR(mono, bìng, etc.)May 09 16:58
sebsebsebmsb_: I am worried about that as well myself, when it comes to the whole of Desktop Linux, and the various competitionMay 09 16:58
sebsebsebthat's why I think Ubuntu could do with some proper competition right now from other distro's, sadly though there isn't anything porper to compete against  it right nowMay 09 16:58
sebsebsebno Fedora isn't it, and Linux Mint isn't it either, plus that has it's main verison based on Ubuntu anywayMay 09 16:58
sebsebsebso yeah hopefuly when Mageia is more developed, it can win enough users over, and give  them some nice competition :)  thing is that may not be for another year or two yet, hmmMay 09 16:59
sebsebsebas for Unity, well other distro's that want to have a big enough userbase on the desktop may actsaully have to provide that in their repo's in the future,  to have any chance at being popular enough, if Unity gets popular enoughMay 09 17:00
sebsebsebmsb_: also I read last year or whatever, about how Microsoft put Canonical on their list of similar companies  from the same industry, that they saw as a threatMay 09 17:00
msb_I doubt that many experienced Linux users are switching to Ubuntu from some other distro.  I think Ubuntu users are mostly new Linux users, thus coming from Microsoft Windows.  Or in some impoverished countries, from no computer at all.May 09 17:00
ThistleWebye gods, almost all of these death metal tunes used on techbytes are painfulMay 09 17:01
sebsebseboh and maybe Microsoft will have an advantage anyway,  or not quite, but I mean Ubuntu still looks rather ugly by default realy, and Windows is starting to look better and better by default really since XPMay 09 17:01
sebsebsebThistleWeb: nah there isn't that much metal on Techbytes really,  and good to have that sometimes I guess, if people don't like it, skip itMay 09 17:01
ThistleWebmusic is all taste, it's just noise to meMay 09 17:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Mark #Shuttleworth @sabdfl prefers !GPLv3 (apparently mainly due to patent provisions) (via @schestowitz)May 09 17:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Bah, was ik maar een n00b gebleven >:-(May 09 17:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Do's and don'ts for your work's social platforms | #hackmanagement #communityMay 09 17:02
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msb_sebsebseb: By "look" do you mean its actual appearance, or the metaphor meaning, e.g., "seem"?May 09 17:02
sebsebsebMark Shuttleworth prefers GPL v3, oh yeah,  uhmm, but that's recent, after the stuff about him prefering  Iphone to Android since what he said in Open WeekMay 09 17:02
sebsebsebanyway that's what they do, the Ubuntu Community, hype up so called postive things, that Mark Shuttelworth said, and other people like thatMay 09 17:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Just got ICP algorithms working today. Preparing for massive benchmarks soon, maybe resultant publications. #computervisionMay 09 17:03
msb_I think when users gain any degree of computer literacy, their concern about visual appearance of the DE diminishes greatly, and they're interested in its functionality instead.May 09 17:03
sebsebsebalso Toros was hypeing up stuff they said in UDS earlier on Identica  as well for example,  and he's a Ubuntu  Community Member anyway as I find out earlier, so no wonder he hypes up stuffMay 09 17:04
ThistleWeb"how efficient is this BSOD?"May 09 17:04
ThistleWeb"could it appear with more frequency?"May 09 17:04
sebsebsebmsb_: well the Ubuntu base the under the hood stuff, well you know what I mean I guess, that's ok really still,  but uhmm most Desktop Linux distro's have a great baseMay 09 17:04
sebsebsebalso why not have a good base if going to have the Ubuntu base,  with stuff that is better on top, yep I am thinking Linux MintMay 09 17:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #KDE 4.6.3 for #Slackware 13.37 old distro, new desktopMay 09 17:05
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MinceR"Mark Shuttleworth prefers GPL v3" -- that might be, but he also likes to have unconditional copyright assignments to his companyMay 09 17:05
MinceRmakes it more than a little suspiciousMay 09 17:06
sebsebsebOh yeah and people here's an example of today's Ubuntu hype! : 09 17:06
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sebsebseband I hope this does not happen by the way ^May 09 17:06
sebsebsebassuming that Ubuntu  will keep on going down hill, for people who acstaully know about stuff, like usMay 09 17:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @csmart @rahulsundaram @gregkh How's the situation with non-free firmware for wireless drivers these days?May 09 17:06
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TechrightsBot-tr@Richard Fontana (fontana)'s status on Monday, 09-May-11 15:57:25 UTC - Mark #Shuttleworth @sabdfl prefers !GPLv3 (apparently mainly due to patent provisions) (via @schestowitz)May 09 17:07
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sebsebsebalso 200 million users of quite a few differnet Linux distributions that are popular, with the userbase of each being nearly the same amount of users, but a lot, well that would be better :)May 09 17:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @michaellarabel: New @Phoronix codename: AMD 'Treebark'May 09 17:08
msb_My idea of a good distro would be one that includes Sax2 functionality, ALSA not pulseaudio or phonon, and a forked-and-fixed KDE4 or a maintained KDE3 e.g. Trinity if that really gets going.  This all would have the advantage that it would work on all computers and would be very functional for users and power-users.  Of course it would need all the usual app and dev stuff.May 09 17:09
sebsebseband honestly ok so I may not like using Windows useually and espeasilly if forced to use it on a course or something, and the whole Microsoft playing dirty with patents thing and what not even, but uhmm  I think these days, I would much rather have Windows being one of the most popular OS's in the world, and Ubuntu not being one of those at all :)May 09 17:09
sebsebsebwhere as if we go back to 2008May 09 17:09
sebsebsebwell there I was, wanting Ubuntu get really popularMay 09 17:09
sebsebsebto get really popular,  but then I got even more educated about things and so on, and yeah times changeMay 09 17:10
msb_sebsebseb: You gotta be kidding!  Ubuntu brings people into Linux, and then they can go into some better distro, especially if an all-around better one is available.May 09 17:10
*sebsebseb used to be quite a ignorant Ubuntu user for years, their second release in 2005, untill I became more and more knowledgable about things :)May 09 17:10
sebsebsebwasn't my first distro by the way :)May 09 17:10
sebsebsebmsb_: many stay as Ubuntu users for ages, and don't just move on to another distro, or some think they have moved on to another distro, but haven't really, because they moved on to Kubuntu or Xubuntu or Lubuntu for exmapleMay 09 17:11
sebsebseband using Linux Mint hte Ubuntu based version, isn't really properly moving on from Ubuntu eitherMay 09 17:11
sebsebsebfor exampleMay 09 17:11
sebsebsebmsb_: also I used to help out loasd in that big Ubuntu channel, I know what kind of users it gets quite al ot of the timeMay 09 17:12
sebsebseband some of them are not very nice at all, and they demand  support, and if you help and things don't quite work out, they get realy silly, and uhMay 09 17:12
sebsebseband many you can spend hours with, and never get a proper thank youMay 09 17:12
sebsebsebback in a bit or something, going to eat foodMay 09 17:13
msb_sebsebseb: OK, they are new to being in a free community.  So set them straight.May 09 17:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Season of KDE: we need you, #KDE contributor, to get involved best desktop out thereMay 09 17:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "someone who tried the #Fedora {mailing lists|forum|irc channel} and had a bad first impression" #rant #gnu #linuxMay 09 17:13
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msb_sebsebseb: They still think they're dealing with a corporation and they've paid for help.May 09 17:14
msb_I met a guy in #suse who was trying to use a professional tablet and couldn't get it to work in Suse.  He went to Ubuntu and someone had already done it and created scripts or some kind of package and that tablet worked instantly.May 09 17:16
Diablo-D3ermMay 09 17:17
Diablo-D3except if its usbMay 09 17:17
Diablo-D3you can sort of just plug it in and it already worksMay 09 17:17
Diablo-D3you just have nothing to use it withMay 09 17:17
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Diablo-D3gimp is the only app that supports tablet pressure/etc shitMay 09 17:17
msb_Also, in one of the local Silicon Valley Linux groups, Ubuntu seems to be pretty popular, and these Linux users are mostly computer professionals.May 09 17:18
Diablo-D3and typically, linux users do NOT use the tablet as an X input source (ie, a mouse)May 09 17:18
Diablo-D3because its fucking retardedMay 09 17:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @schestowitz #Plasma + #KWin = beautiful ! !kdeMay 09 17:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The effect of #Microsoft pulling the anti-competitive malware switch (aka Windows Update) #firefoxMay 09 17:18
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msb_This guy is a professional 3D graphic artist.May 09 17:19
msb_He had a whole toolchain of graphics programs he was using.  Did not include gimp.  I think some had to run in WINE or a hosted MS-Windows.May 09 17:19
msb_Very high-level professional programs.May 09 17:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] SCO Officially Changes Its Name to TSG (Groklaw): 09 17:20
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schestowitz[17:06] <sebsebseb> and I hope this does not happen by the way ^May 09 17:22
schestowitzWhy not?May 09 17:23
schestowitz[17:10] <msb_> sebsebseb: You gotta be kidding!  Ubuntu brings people into Linux, and then they can go into some better distro, especially if an all-around better one is available.May 09 17:23
schestowitz+1May 09 17:23
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schestowitzsebsebseb: you help the Microsoft trolls by saying what you didMay 09 17:23
schestowitzubuntu is complementaryMay 09 17:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] my coffee has already gone cold. #sip_and_clickMay 09 17:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @fabsh I will have an adequate answer on that shortlyMay 09 17:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Открытие веб-сайта российского сообщества Creative Commons - as #Portugal threatens to shut #cc, #russia opens it upMay 09 17:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Listening to Shuttleworth's #UDS keynote. 09 17:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] New policy: unsubscribing from life-is-good genre denters. Nothing personal, just can't dealMay 09 17:28
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sebsebsebschestowitz: I meant I would rather have other distro's being popular, because Ubuntu is no longer what it used to be, a distro I realy, realy likedMay 09 17:30
sebsebsebmsb_: ^May 09 17:31
sebsebsebmsb_: really Ubuntu should be a first steping stone from Windows or Mac OS X, then yep move on to other distro's, but many Ubuntu people would disagreeMay 09 17:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Crap... got a crappy bug in debbundle..May 09 17:32
sebsebsebit seems in the LInux Mint IRC community though, people are very mcuh so for this idea, and that many use other distro's that help anywayMay 09 17:32
sebsebsebthereMay 09 17:32
msb_What exactly is so bad about Ubuntu?  sudo?  a crummy DE?  People seem to like Mint, and that has KDE available.May 09 17:33
msb_Much better if KDE4 were fixed, or KDE3 were maintained.May 09 17:34
sebsebsebthe amount of ignorance sourrunding it,  take omgubuntu for example and most of it's commentsMay 09 17:34
sebsebsebthe way Ubuntu  doesn't work properly with upstream, and doesn't become one properly either  with stuff like UnityMay 09 17:34
sebsebsebplus well more recently  they try and lock people into their money making serivces reallyMay 09 17:35
sebsebsebin the distro itselfMay 09 17:35
sebsebsebUbuntu is a produc,t not a projectMay 09 17:35
sebsebsebmsb_: also for me it used to provide an absoutly great default expereince, that's what I really care about when it comes to distro's by the wayMay 09 17:35
sebsebseb,but then as of 9.04 and 9.10 that got ruined, but only little things,  10.04 was the big ah! and so on from thereMay 09 17:36
sebsebsebalso there people who think Ubuntu = Linux. and  quite a lot of people think Ubuntu is the only distro that is worth running really as a Desktop OS, which is a load of rubbish really, but yep there will be people like that,  in fact I used to be like that for yearsMay 09 17:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Marie Curie (XKCD): 09 17:37
msb_sebsebseb: What's wrong with the experience?  (I've never used it myself.)May 09 17:37
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sebsebsebwhen I did loads of support for Ubuntu online, and tried to convert people to it, yep when I was doing that, I pretty much ignored other Desktop Linux distro'sMay 09 17:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Can someone tell me what the fuck Shuttleworth is on about gardening? Did someone understand this keynote at all? #UDSMay 09 17:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft runs 500,000 servers-- Bob Kelly at last week's Wired cloud conference...May 09 17:38
sebsebsebmsb_: I am saying stuff that is based on my expereince of using my opinions,  and if you haven't used the versions since 8.10,  well it's hard to explainMay 09 17:38
sebsebsebDesktop LInux is meant to be about choiceMay 09 17:39
msb_sebsebseb: But if whatever bothers you about it is serious enough, I would think you could explain it if you tried.May 09 17:39
sebsebsebloads of people going for Ubuntu straight away, as their first distro, because of all the hype about ito n the Internet, well that's not choiceMay 09 17:39
msb_Sure.May 09 17:39
schestowitztrueMay 09 17:40
sebsebsebback in 2004, when I was new to Desktop Linux, I had to choose my own Linux distributionMay 09 17:40
schestowitzI find it UglyByDefault(R)May 09 17:40
schestowitzBut that's my opinionMay 09 17:40
schestowitzTheir Debian base with patches is solidMay 09 17:40
schestowitzWhich makes kubuntu quite neatMay 09 17:40
sebsebseba guy got me into stuff like,  Mozilla Suite :)  no Firefox back then,  when I  got told about thingsMay 09 17:40
sebsebsebor  well there was, but yeah no Firefox 0.8 yetMay 09 17:40
sebsebsebanyway,  he got me using Mozilla Suite, and he got me to install Cygwin in Windows even :)  and I  had this dev c++ program installed, because of him, and when a family computer became mine,  yeah Fedora Core 2 my first Linux distibution I coudn't use it online since this wireless device.May 09 17:41
sebsebsebanyway I knew he used Slackware, but he woudn't recomend me a distro, so I had to pick my ownMay 09 17:41
sebsebsebplus I know that Slackware wasn't really easy to useMay 09 17:41
sebsebseband Mandrake (now Mandriva)  and OpenSuse may have both been pretty popular back then, but for some reason, I didn't seem to know about them or whatever, so I ended up picking between Debian and Fedora CoreMay 09 17:42
msb_Maybe all the social-networking sites now available (which I never use) will help Ubuntu users find a better distro.  Especially if an all-around good one existed!May 09 17:42
sebsebseband  Fedora won me over, because it said everything was free or whatever, but yeah, I had to pick my own :)May 09 17:43
sebsebsebeven though I want to help more properly on the community side with a distro,  I would still recommend a few distro's to people useually.  why, because it's a good thing to do, plus that way don't lok like a fan boy :)May 09 17:43
sebsebsebalso once I was telling someone about  other distro's on IRC, last year, and I recommended some and gave  I  basically suggested he tried out Mandriva, but well he ended up trying OpenSuse out instead, which I guess was being promoted a bit on distrowatch at the time, since  it had a new erlease, but wellMay 09 17:44
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sebsebseb,but ok OpenSuse not really what I wanted this person to try, but well at least that person  made their own choice :)  oh and this was someone who had already been using Ubuntu by the wayMay 09 17:45
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sebsebsebmsb_: no the Linux sites and Linux magazines mainly go on about Ubuntu and in a postive way,  it's only more recently,  so basicaly last year, and this year, that there seems to be a bit more negative stuff about it  here and there on the webMay 09 17:46
Diablo-D3manMay 09 17:46
Diablo-D3the whole interests are full of trollsMay 09 17:46
sebsebsebalso on the subject of Internet being full of trolls wellMay 09 17:47
msb_Not me.  I want to find one really good distro and recommend it alone to everyone, since people naive to Linux don't know what to look for.  That good distro used to be OpenSuse, but now, with no Sax2, and with pulseaudio/phonon by default, and the severely crudified KDE4, I don't know what to tell them.  Roy just suggested PCLinuxOS, but it would have to have those 3 problems fixed.May 09 17:47
sebsebsebit seems to me that, a lot of these LInux articles and blog enteries and yeah,  get loads of comments from people being stupid these daysMay 09 17:47
sebsebsebwell there isn't a it seems, it's a it happens thingMay 09 17:47
sebsebsebmsb_: have you seen what happens if you search Google for Linux by the way?May 09 17:47
sebsebsebI assume it's still the caseMay 09 17:47
schestowitzmsb_: it's good for LInux n00bsMay 09 17:48
schestowitzLike my dadMay 09 17:48
schestowitzAnd it's KDE3-esque (hacked kde4)May 09 17:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] I feel very exhausted...May 09 17:48
sebsebsebschestowitz: Linux Mint is much more user friendly than Ubuntu, as ThistleWeb would probably also agreeMay 09 17:48
sebsebseboh your on about Slax?May 09 17:48
sebsebsebheh toros feels exhasted?  maybe he's dented/tweeted a bit to much Ubuntu hype today, so he got exhasted :DMay 09 17:49
msb_sebsebseb: Sax2 -- the program that can set up /etc/X11/xorg.conf when automatic config doesn't work.May 09 17:50
*sebsebseb doesn't like meat as much as used to for a few reasons, but no not going vegaterianMay 09 17:50
sebsebsebthat may seem a bit random, but I was  just eating somethingMay 09 17:51
msb_schestowitz: "KDE3-esque (hacked kde4)"  Hacked how?  Details please!May 09 17:51
sebsebsebmsb_: Slax yeah it's apparnetly a good distro, but will it become really, really popular, uhmm rather unlikelyMay 09 17:52
sebsebsebTim recommended some distro on  Techbytes not that long ago, I think that distro based on ArchLinux  with a name staring with CMay 09 17:52
sebsebseband he wanted whatever he was on about to become rather popular, and I was listening thinking, uh well that's not going to happenMay 09 17:53
ThistleWebchackraMay 09 17:53
sebsebsebwell I nearly typed chaka or whatever, but yeah thatMay 09 17:53
sebsebsebread about that one before evenMay 09 17:53
sebsebsebanyawy oh I know that,  Mageia has a chance at becoming one of the most popular distro's,  already quite a few people interested in it for an obvious reason,  it's the new Mandriva fork, so of course :)May 09 17:54
msb_sebsebseb: Google search for Linux:  Ubuntu,, Wikipedia-Linux, Redhat, Distrowatch, Fedora, Debian.  So?May 09 17:54
sebsebsebmsb_: yeah exactly, Ubuntu is still the first result?May 09 17:54
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ThistleWebany new distro has a long way to go to become popularMay 09 17:54
ThistleWebsomething that appears to by hype and vapourware for so long, based on rpm when most of the top distros are deb is an uphill battleMay 09 17:55
sebsebsebwell  anywhere in the first 10 on distrowatch is popular really I guess,  but distro's that want quite a lot of market share, would aim to be in the top 5May 09 17:55
sebsebsebuhmm Fedora is the second most used distro on the Desktop and that's RPM,  and OpenSuse used to be rather poupular and yep that's RPMMay 09 17:55
msb_sebsebseb: So what?  BFD.  People who only look at the first google hit are not thinking very effectively.May 09 17:56
ThistleWebyep, both with corporate backing / connectionsMay 09 17:56
ThistleWebboth with a long history of corporate releasesMay 09 17:56
sebsebsebThistleWeb: as for many distro's using DEB, well yes indeed, if we include all those Ubuntu based distro's, but if not,  I guess not that many reallyMay 09 17:56
ThistleWebthose are just the community versions of thoseMay 09 17:56
sebsebsebmsb_: what di you mean BFD?  also remember how I was saying something about Ubuntu =  Linux, well to go with this,  go on the Ubuntu site, and look for the name Linux, good luck finding that, by the wayMay 09 17:57
ThistleWeba large part of why fedora and opensuse are popular is that they are free versions of stuff people use at work, to learn on, practice work skills on etcMay 09 17:57
msb_I guess I should add a fourth criterion for a good distro, which is that wifi should almost always work out of the box.  People come into #suse with lots of wifi problems.May 09 17:58
ThistleWebalso the long, long history helpsMay 09 17:58
msb_sebsebseb: Sorry -- big fucking deal.May 09 17:58
schestowitz[17:51] <msb_> schestowitz: "KDE3-esque (hacked kde4)"  Hacked how?  Details please!May 09 17:58
sebsebseband the big Ubuntu channel gets loads of people with wirelss not just working by default as wellMay 09 17:58
sebsebsebhere's the thingMay 09 17:58
schestowitz!google pclinuxos 20111 screenshotsMay 09 17:58
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Mail Question: installed smf forum on centos perfect server setup ... | 09 17:58
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sebsebsebI have got Ubuntu users to try out Mandriva from a Live CD in the past, and where there wireless either just worked, or was much easier to have workingMay 09 17:58
schestowitz!google pclinuxos 2011 screenshotsMay 09 17:58
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - March Screenshots - PCLinuxOS | 09 17:58
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sebsebseb!google linuxMay 09 17:59
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Ubuntu Linux | 09 17:59
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - | The source for Linux information | 09 17:59
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Linux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | 09 17:59
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ThistleWebsebsebseb: whether we like it or not, if someone wants to install an app not in the repos, and there is a linux version, chances are there will be an ubuntu deb, / PPA, but nothing for any other distroMay 09 17:59
sebsebseb!google ubuntu = linuxMay 09 17:59
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Ubuntu Linux | 09 17:59
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Download | Ubuntu | 09 17:59
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Ubuntu (operating system) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | 09 17:59
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ThistleWebsame applies to tutorialsMay 09 17:59
sebsebsebanyway I think Google pretty much ignores =  like it does with andMay 09 17:59
sebsebsebthe Deb's being availalbe, is, because of the Ubuntu hype, that's the main reasonMay 09 18:00
sebsebsebnot , beause of DebianMay 09 18:00
schestowitzmsb_: I also used 2009 in 009May 09 18:00
ThistleWebthe more obscure the distro, the less reviews, less maintainers, less tutorials, less pre compiles means it's harder for the new userMay 09 18:00
schestowitzmsb_: I also used 2009.1 in 2009May 09 18:00
sebsebsebunless we do the, well it is also, becsue of Debian, since Ubuntu is based on Debian, thingMay 09 18:00
ThistleWebany new distro is entering that world, bleating about "it shouldn't be like that" won't change a damn thingMay 09 18:01
ThistleWebit'll be a long slog to get people to switchMay 09 18:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laforge/@laforge] powered up + used my Siemens BS-11 for the first time in many months. Happy to see current #openbsc still working like a charmMay 09 18:01
sebsebsebThistleWeb: exactly which is why Chackra probably doesn't have much of a chance at  becoming rather popular really,  plus it's based on Arch.  altough acstauly if I remember correctly Chakra is meant to be like an easyer version of Arch.  Also it seems that quite a few Ubuntu users go to Arch.May 09 18:02
ThistleWebthink how many distors are out there that most people have never heard of, let alone tried in a VM or live cdMay 09 18:02
ThistleWebto be taken seriously, distros have to build up some history of trust and competency, that doesn't happen overnightMay 09 18:03
sebsebsebnone of  the current distro's give Ubuntu proper competition like I was saying earlier,  I do strongly belive that once Mageia is more developed,  that it may start doing just that though :) ,but that before that happens it may be another year or two or so yetMay 09 18:03
ThistleWebwell, as long as you know it's an uphill battle, good luck to itMay 09 18:04
sebsebsebalso Linux Mint keeps on getting more and more popular now which is good really,  and Mint  could probably eventaully drop the Ubuntu based version and go  with only Debian based really eventualleyMay 09 18:04
schestowitzit does to extent nowMay 09 18:04
schestowitz!google mint 10 debian May 09 18:04
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Main Page - Linux Mint | 09 18:04
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sebsebsebyeah it needs marketting and all that,  plus the first version uhmm well no Gnome 3, got to wait untill the next one for thatMay 09 18:04
ThistleWeboh, mint 11 rc should be out todayMay 09 18:05
ThistleWebjus' sayin'May 09 18:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] MDN doc sprint, in-person and online, June 6 to 8 09 18:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Still suffering from severe #pollinosis !problematicMay 09 18:05
ThistleWebwatch out for Clem's postMay 09 18:05
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sebsebsebhowever for those that want a nice Gnome 2 set up, or  a nice KDE set up, well yeah, give Magea 1 a try,  and the final is expected on June 1st :)May 09 18:05
sebsebseband Mint isn't doing Gnome 3 for Mint 11May 09 18:05
sebsebsebwhich makes sense for them really, because if they wait they can put in the Ubuntu stuff for Mint 12May 09 18:05
sebsebsebfor Gnome 3,  and do Gnome Shell instead of Unity.May 09 18:06
sebsebsebanyway later this year will be interseting, when more distro's start doing Gnome 3May 09 18:06
sebsebsebUbuntu, and Mageia and so onMay 09 18:06
sebsebsebMintMay 09 18:06
ThistleWebright now it's the safe choice to stay gnome 2, they're taking a wait and see approach, and look at it again in maybe 5 months when they're more matureMay 09 18:06
ThistleWeban easily pronouncable name also helps when people talk about itMay 09 18:07
sebsebsebexactly right now it's the safe choice to stay with Gnome 2 realy, however,  instead of Ubuntu going Unity for 11.04, they could have worked closestly with upstream Gnome I expect, and get  Gnome Shell in.  as for Mint well there is what you just said, and what I just said, why no Gnome 3 for 11 I guess.  as for Mageia even if loads of other distro's were already doing Gnome 3 they woudn't have done for their first release,  because their firstMay 09 18:08
sebsebsebrelease is very much so about being a re branded version of Mandriva  with hardly any new features.  Mageia 2 is where things will get more interesting :)May 09 18:08
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sebsebsebThistleWeb: and we are in like Linux distro limbo land at the moment,  having to wait untill the future for most of them,  I mean yeah Gnome 3 for exampleMay 09 18:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] RT @apol Interested about !KDE and know spanish? Don't forget to visit http://kdeblog.comMay 09 18:10
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sebsebsebhi hbonsMay 09 18:10
hbonshiMay 09 18:11
sebsebsebYour new aren't you?May 09 18:11
schestowitznot newMay 09 18:12
sebsebsebohMay 09 18:12
sebsebsebThistleWeb: anyway I ilke the idea of being invvled with a distro that I know is going to be pretty good and probably quite popular over time, from it's beginning :)May 09 18:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @kfogel Help support Nina Paley's new booklet project on Kickstarter: 09 18:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @fontana yeah CMOT Dibbler also works, dunno why I missed the obvious, my mind just threw the word "inhumed" which led to the Guild ;PMay 09 18:17
msb_schestowitz: This PCLinuxOS screenshot may have a desktop-pager at the top.  If so, it is readable. 09 18:18
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msb_schestowitz: If that is KDE4 and the thing at the top is a desktop-pager, then they've kinda fixed it.May 09 18:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] RT @kfogel Help support Nina Paley's new booklet project on Kickstarter: 09 18:20
msb_schestowitz: No, each rectangle in the thing at the top mentions amount of free space.  I think it's a listing of partitions.May 09 18:22
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TechrightsBot-trschestowitz: No, each rectangle in the thing at the top mentions amount of free space.  I think it's a listing of partitions.May 09 18:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Ubuntu Aims for 200 Million Users by 2015, Will Need a Miracle (ExtremeTech): 09 18:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Monday's security updates 09 18:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Ubuntu cloud chief beats CTO to exit door (The Register) 09 18:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Apple not providing LGPL webkit source code 09 18:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] given the extra demand for the latest #Mint, it'd be nice if people chose the torrent option rather than direct download #meltingserversMay 09 18:30
sebsebsebschestowitz: MinceR msb_ ThistleWeb 09 18:30
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sebsebsebwell anyway that's a convo I just seen on there, to do with Marks KeynoteMay 09 18:31
sebsebseband copyright assignmentsMay 09 18:31
MinceRi haven't seen the self-appointed dictator's keynoteMay 09 18:32
sebsebsebMinceR: I watched it liveMay 09 18:33
sebsebsebhowever the stream also went downMay 09 18:33
sebsebsebfor some of itMay 09 18:33
msb_sebsebseb: Copyright what?  Look and feel of Ubuntu?  That would sure bring the Linux community down on his head big time.May 09 18:33
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MinceRno, copyright assignment on unity (& possibly others) source codeMay 09 18:34
MinceRso novell2.0 can take your code and run with it, sell it in nonfree softwareMay 09 18:34
sebsebsebmsb_: hmm I guess you haven't hanged  around here long enough to know what copyright assignments is then,  or been using sites like identica, or been reading enough Linux stuff onlineMay 09 18:34
schestowitzMinceR: Canonical is not another NovellMay 09 18:34
MinceRit is not?May 09 18:34
msb_sebsebseb: I am only an egg.May 09 18:34
MinceRhow so?May 09 18:34
sebsebsebmsb_: What?May 09 18:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Iterating on AwesomeBar HD with user studies 09 18:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] If in #android services cannot stay on the SD card, why is Skype movable to it? #justaskingMay 09 18:35
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MinceRthey promote m$ shit, just like novell did before it diedMay 09 18:35
sebsebsebMinceR: the keynote acstaully mentions how he refused Novell's copyright assignments for somethingMay 09 18:35
sebsebsebit's worth checking outMay 09 18:35
*sebsebseb still hasn't since his keynote from the last UDS where he was going on about Unity, wow six months later, still not seen that, well that's not wow reallyMay 09 18:36
sebsebsebir just means, I haven't cared enough about Ubuntu to bother to see that alreadyMay 09 18:36
msb_sebsebseb: From Stranger in a Strange Land - Heinlein -- I think.  Means I'm a beginner in the area you're talking about.  Except that I do read a lot of Linux stuff online.  But not about copyrights.May 09 18:36
sebsebsebseen his last, aboveMay 09 18:36
sebsebsebmsb_: ok well basically, if people contribute code to Unity the new interface for Ubuntu, the alternative to Gnome Shell which you can see here,  http://gnome3.orgMay 09 18:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] I didn't expect switching off ido-mode would make my life so much more enjoyable !emacsMay 09 18:37
sebsebsebanyone who contribues code to that, well this is my undertanding from everything I have read on the Internet to do with it and that. anyway.  if anyone contributes code,  they hand all the rights to CanonicalMay 09 18:37
sebsebsebthis means Canonical could even re lisence their code  and use  in propritary softwareMay 09 18:37
msb_sebsebseb: So Unity isn't GPL'ed?May 09 18:38
sebsebsebnow here's the thing, the Free Software Foundation also has copyright assignments,  but well with them at least we can trust them pretty much 100% to not do something bad with itMay 09 18:38
sebsebsebwhere as Canonical we can't trust 100%, in fact only really a fool would trust Canonical anywhere near 100%,  and quite simpalley, because they are a for profit companyMay 09 18:38
sebsebsebUbuntu is also a product really as a result, not a projectMay 09 18:38
sebsebsebmsb_: Unity is GPL yes, but Copyright Assignments is something that can go with the lisence of softwareMay 09 18:39
MinceRiirc FSF copyright assignments came with a conditionMay 09 18:39
msb_sebsebseb: So presumably he (ooh!  initials are MS!) wants to make big bucks on Unity for phones?May 09 18:39
sebsebsebno proper Ubuntu people say, that  they want Ubuntu to make free software go main streame,  yeah they call it free software not open source the proper ones.May 09 18:40
sebsebsebanyway I guess that's true really Canonical would love to take Ubuntu to the masses to the main streame, but whilst most of the users are using their in distro services buying their stuff, and Canonical making a profitMay 09 18:40
sebsebsebCanonical still don't make a profit by the way,  still Mark Shuttleworth bailing them outMay 09 18:41
msb_sebsebseb: OK, that's starting to sound creepy.May 09 18:41
MinceRunfortunately they try to pollute it with crApple-ish crap on the way thereMay 09 18:41
sebsebsebwell Mark Shuttleworth is a millionaire, and the first South African in space, as Linux articles used to love going on aboutMay 09 18:41
MinceRindicator crapplets, client-side decorations, unityMay 09 18:41
MinceRi wonder if they'll go far enough to break compatibility with sane distros and environmentsMay 09 18:42
sebsebsebmsb_: I thought Ubuntu 8.10 was ready for the main streame with proper help,  yeah thought this even though the ethernet woudn't just work on the other computer, but that needs a driver in XP for exampleMay 09 18:42
sebsebsebthe ethernet worked in 8.04 and 9.04 and 9.10 and 10.04 though and suchMay 09 18:42
sebsebseband 7.10 I guess was in it even before, anyway uhmm.  yeah I thought 8.10 with the correct help from someone was ready for the main streameMay 09 18:42
sebsebsebthen 9.04  was in development, and there were little things I didn't really want, and  it got released, and I finally bothere to upgrade the computer from 8.04 soon after that very soon,  and the ethernet wuodn't work. so well I put 9.04 on.  9.04  was quite a good release, even though there were little user interface things in it that I didn't like by defaultMay 09 18:43
sebsebseb9.10 I didn't like much at all when it was the latest, but when 10.04 came out or was being developed, oh yes 9.10 became better for me overallMay 09 18:44
sebsebsebhowever even so upgraded the other computer to 10.04,  because I thought 10.04 may have actsauly been better, but then the Plymouth boot up issues, all this junk by default I didn't like, and it even refusing to let anyone log in all of a sudden, my older brother told me, and soon after I put a much more relible distro on it Mandriva, and it's stayed with Mandriva since :)May 09 18:44
hbonsMinceR: don't agree with most of their design decisions, but they have made ubuntu more usable as a desktop osMay 09 18:45
MinceRi don't think soMay 09 18:45
MinceRbut then they're not alone with their efforts thereMay 09 18:45
MinceRgnome 3 is pretty hideous tooMay 09 18:45
sebsebsebmsb_: as for Unity, uhmm not really aimed at me, but at least makes some of the Gnome patches I don't really like that much as Gnome patches, into something more ok, because now it's a proper alternative interfaceMay 09 18:45
hbonsit's not a matter of opinion. you can measure these thingsMay 09 18:46
msb_sebsebseb: Shuttleworth's space trip maps in my mind to the wealthy guy (played by John Hurt) in the movie Contact, who financed the second vehicle.  This has been biasing me toward him.  Have to readjust my thinking.May 09 18:46
MinceRyes, i can measure that 0 systray applets will appear because they don't support them or have broken support for them :>May 09 18:46
hbonsit's not about thatMay 09 18:46
MinceRand that there's a crApple-style global menubarMay 09 18:46
MinceRwhich was idiotic enough before multihead setups were common :>May 09 18:47
sebsebsebmsb_: the first South African in space stuff, is all part of the Ubuntu hype as well, not as much now though as it used to be in 2005 and 2006 and suchMay 09 18:47
sebsebsebthere are even people who use Ubuntu as their distro, because it has money behind it, I remember chatting to someone here on IRC, who said they were from India and basically told me, that they wanted a distro that had money behind itMay 09 18:47
msb_Yii!!!May 09 18:49
sebsebsebmsb_: maybe worth you listening to the recent Techbytes interview with Jono Bacon,  who is yeah the Ubuntu Community Manager which I hope you know already. so yeah he tells peole how great Ubuntu is, he's an alright guy really, and comes here sometimes evenMay 09 18:49
msb_The gold diaphragm joke.May 09 18:49
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msb_The profit motive can really mess things up!May 09 18:50
sebsebsebmsb_: oh and there IRC community could be even nicer, had quite a few expereinces with itMay 09 18:51
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sebsebsebmsb_: Ubuntu 8.10 was nice and cleanMay 09 18:51
sebsebsebaltough there  was some update for shut down on top right that was optional, but  they would keep shut down and log out in system menu,  yep I am talking Gnome patchesMay 09 18:52
msb_sebsebseb: their IRC community is nice, not nice?  I don't understand.May 09 18:52
sebsebsebanyway nice and clean,  didn't have all this junk features aimed at newbies, that remove other features that are meant to be there really.May 09 18:52
sebsebseband like I said earlier I thought with help,  from someone who knows how, it could go main streameMay 09 18:52
sebsebsebI read not that long ago about how someone finally replaced Windows on there computer properly with Ubuntu with 8.04 even.May 09 18:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] #Canonical losing two executives, CTO #Zimmerman and VP of Corporate Services #Levine 09 18:53
sebsebseband then Canonical got a design team, and well things started going down hill, just little things for 9.04 and 9.10,  then well much more for 10.04 and so on from  there, and yep most users have no ideaMay 09 18:53
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sebsebsebalso he woudn't say it publically, but maybe Zimmerman is leaving, because he thinks the same?May 09 18:54
sebsebsebschestowitz: MinceR ^May 09 18:54
sebsebsebschestowitz: also wasn't Matt against having Mono in the distro?May 09 18:54
sebsebsebanywah he isn't leaving properly, because he'll still be invovled with the community here and thereMay 09 18:54
msb_The question is, how good is it for power users?  Easy to use multiple desktops, for example.  Any distro will work for people with few requirements.May 09 18:55
MinceRi don't think that mono bacon is "an alright guy"May 09 18:55
MinceRsebsebseb: i don't knowMay 09 18:55
sebsebsebmsb_: also it can be really annoying for me to read about Ubuntu at times, and yeah more about Ubuntu, and more, and more and more and more, because the amount of stuff there is about it on the web now.  I mean a distro I used to think was really great for years, but then started going all well down hillMay 09 18:56
sebsebsebnisshh: well power users aren't the target audiance of Ubuntu anymoreMay 09 18:57
sebsebsebnisshh: wrong one, and your probably sleeping or osmethingMay 09 18:57
sebsebsebmsb_: yeah power users aren't the target audiance of Ubuntu anymore,   the enthusisasts yeah.  they used to be, but this really is no longer hte caseMay 09 18:57
sebsebsebtheMay 09 18:57
sebsebsebnow it is about winning over the average consumer, you know people who just use a computer like a toaster, and don't really what they runMay 09 18:58
hbons1you can always use fxce :)May 09 18:58
hbons1xfceMay 09 18:58
sebsebsebwho go on Facebook and what not. for exampleMay 09 18:58
sebsebsebhbons1: I think if going to use, KDE, or XFCE, or LXDE, or anything that isn't what is given by default in Ubuntu, may as well use another distro :)May 09 18:58
hbons1sebsebseb: but you're pretty sure canonical won't touch those :PMay 09 18:59
sebsebsebwith the exception of the Gnome 3 ppa of courseMay 09 18:59
sebsebseb,because right now loads of distro's can't just run that anyway,  and so on, so Gnome 3 ppa can be useful, not the full experience thoughMay 09 18:59
sebsebsebhbons1: yep they pretty much leave KDE alone in Kubuntu for example,  apparently only two of the developers are from CanonicalMay 09 18:59
msb_The foundational principle of GNU/Linux/FOSS is (as expressed in _Antitrust_):  Human knowledge belongs to the World!  Or as RMS has said, "Information wants to be free."  That is incompatible with the profit motive, unless profit is made only from consulting, or donations freely given, etc.May 09 19:00
sebsebsebXubuntu with XFCE is basically left alone for the community to do.  As for Lubuntu with LXDE, well that's not even an offidal dervarative yet, but recently Mark is sbasically saying how it may be ready to be soon,  because it's in their repo's and so on.May 09 19:00
sebsebsebmsb_: also I mentioned stuff about first stepping stone distro's,  striaght from Windows or Mac OS X,  really Ubuntu like Linux Mint should be one of those, but here's the thing.  Why would Canonical want people to move on from Ubuntu to other distro's?  Right they woudn't really I guessMay 09 19:01
sebsebsebalso didn't I mention vender lock in earlier? well maybe, not, well I did say how Ubuntu is a product.  Anyway vender lock in.May 09 19:02
sebsebseb!google vendor lock inMay 09 19:02
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Vendor lock-in - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | 09 19:02
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Web 3.0, The Cloud, and Vendor Lock-In | 09 19:02
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Vendor lock-in definition by The Linux Information Project (LINFO) | 09 19:02
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Is vendor lock-in universally bad? | TechRepublic | 09 19:02
msb_sebsebseb: Not if they want to make a profit from the users!May 09 19:02
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sebsebsebgreat wikipedia page about that, last time I went on itMay 09 19:03
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sebsebsebso yeah vender lock in, that's really meant to be for prpritary software,  ok well I have thought of an example for Ubuntu, or two evenMay 09 19:03
msb_How does vendor lock-in work in Ubuntu?May 09 19:03
sebsebsebI guessMay 09 19:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @sabdfl : Goal of #Canonical is 200 million #Ubuntu users in four years 09 19:03
sebsebsebmaybe three even hmmMay 09 19:03
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sebsebsebok so yeah the Ubuntu Software CentreMay 09 19:03
sebsebsebif people buy software from it,  it's on Canonicals' cloud thing I thinkMay 09 19:04
msb_They SELL software???May 09 19:04
sebsebseband then I think always going to need Ubuntu Software Centre to run it really, not sure, because not bought anything from it, and not planning to either :)May 09 19:04
msb_What kind of software?May 09 19:04
sebsebseband yes as of 10.10 they sell software, propritary softwareMay 09 19:04
sebsebsebstuff that the average end user may want, so a game or two for example, and that kind of thing, oh and the DVD playing programMay 09 19:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 149 million downloads on 2011-05-09 18:02 UTCMay 09 19:05
sebsebsebanyway if I am correct and it's true, that need the Ubuntu Software Centre, to use the bought apps from it, well there we go then, vender lock in I guess,  vender lock in to the Ubuntu Software CentreMay 09 19:06
sebsebsebOk well how about Ubuntu One then? 1GB or I think it may even be 2GB now,. and as they would say for all Ubuntu users.  Uhmm right, but then yep it's pay if want more space, sounds ok?  sure I guess it does really, but here's the thing.  As far as I know Ubuntu One only works in Ubuntu and of course distro's based on it,  except for a Windows port that I think they are making.May 09 19:07
sebsebsebSo in that case,  if it doesn't work in loads of other distro's as well, it's an example of vender lock in really?  Or is it?  I don't know, I am just saying here.May 09 19:08
sebsebsebmsb_: see what I mean? ^May 09 19:08
sebsebsebalso by the way the 100% community distro's  are unlikely to have money making services in the distro itselfMay 09 19:08
sebsebsebrather unlikely indeedMay 09 19:09
sebsebsebmsb_: also just want to be clear about something.  when it comes to Ubuntu, the software centre offering propritary software,  the Ubuntu one thing I mentioned,  and even Mono being in the distro by default.  None of that bothers me that much,  it's the default expereince that bothers me,  the branding,  the way things look,  and all the ignorance that sourrounds Ubuntu from many people, when it comes to Desktop Linux as a whole how distro's May 09 19:11
sebsebsebare made so upstream,s and about choice  and why they should maybe use something else instead really. an that kind of thingMay 09 19:11
sebsebseband choice is good, choice  means competition, and competition = inovationMay 09 19:12
msb_sebsebseb: Who needs a f-ing cloud when you can carry a USB thumbdrive in your pocket?  Microcenter gave me a 4 or 8GB one just for joining their mailing-list or something.May 09 19:13
sebsebsebwell yeah indeecxMay 09 19:13
sebsebsebdMay 09 19:13
sebsebsebwho needs the cloud really?  mean to back up data yourself anyway,  locally, external hard disk or USB stick, however your going to do itMay 09 19:13
sebsebsebplus cloud servers can go down, and there can be data security issues as wellMay 09 19:14
sebsebsebmsb_: The cloud is  starting to become the thing more from for profit companiesMay 09 19:14
msb_sebsebseb: With my website -- -- the last place I'd put my data is with any corporation.May 09 19:14
sebsebsebalso quite a lot of people were annoyeed at Dropbox recently, not sure why, there was something thoughMay 09 19:15
msb_sebsebseb: You can also burn a 5GB DVD-R for 20 cents.May 09 19:15
sebsebsebwell it's 4GB and a bit hereMay 09 19:16
msb_And that being the case, and the NWO being real, I'm wondering if the purpose of the cloud is spying and control.May 09 19:16
sebsebsebor  these dual layour DVD's for people who have a DVD burner that suports.  Anyway this reminds me I bought  a Linux Format magazine last year,  that had one of theseMay 09 19:16
sebsebseb,but my computer isn't a dual layour DVD, so only side one worked in itMay 09 19:17
sebsebseband as some people may say when on about Linux Format, well they may call it Ubuntu Format, because apparnatly it goes on about Ubuntu a lotMay 09 19:17
sebsebsebUbuntu = LinuxMay 09 19:18
sebsebsebuh no it doesn't, so let's change that, come on other distro's !:)May 09 19:18
sebsebsebMinceR: Jono is a nice guy,  however he gets paid to do stuff for UbuntuMay 09 19:19
msb_Just like, oh, by the way, Google videos is closing down "so we can do a better job as a search engine".  There goes lots of important political videos, gone.  And you can no longer get a director membership in Youtube that allows you to put up any videos longer than 15 minutes.  So no political videos there.May 09 19:19
sebsebsebmsb_: I think the site, was getting some or many of those videos, not sureMay 09 19:20
sebsebsebright and Gnome 2 won't be in Ubuntu 11.10May 09 19:20
sebsebsebat allMay 09 19:20
MinceRsebsebseb: he's nicer to m$ than to the free software communityMay 09 19:21
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sebsebsebthey will go Gnome 3 underneath, with Unity 3D as the default interface,  Unity 2D as the fall backMay 09 19:21
GoForbes28helloMay 09 19:21
sebsebsebMinceR: Mark Shuttleworth you mean?May 09 19:21
MinceRno, i mean mono baconMay 09 19:21
GoForbes28hi seb*3May 09 19:21
MinceRbut it's true of the self-appointed dictator tooMay 09 19:21
GoForbes28hi MinceRMay 09 19:21
sebsebseband I asked earlier about the  upstream Gnome 3 fall back,  sounds like that will be available, but yep as a PPAMay 09 19:21
MinceRconsidering that he calls anyone who criticizes him "peanut gallery"May 09 19:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Fellow identicans, I have concluded that I am !free to go on !lo cc: @bkuhn @fabsh @methoddan However, don't think I'll be installing #SkypeMay 09 19:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @fontana Sorry !free that was a total abuse of identica group etiquetteMay 09 19:22
ThistleWebthat was a throwaway gagMay 09 19:22
GoForbes28wait, mono bacon as in Jono?May 09 19:22
MinceRyesMay 09 19:22
GoForbes28Didn't we just have an interview with him?  What happened?May 09 19:22
sebsebsebMinceR: Canonical is so great, uh no it's not really, and useually finding companies great is a foolish thing to doMay 09 19:22
MinceRRoy probably had one, i haven't seen it yetMay 09 19:22
GoForbes28Has Jono always been pro-mono?May 09 19:23
MinceRi wonder if bacon tried to make Roy look bad againMay 09 19:23
GoForbes28hi thistlewebMay 09 19:23
ThistleWebo/May 09 19:23
*sebsebseb is glad he didn't try and get loads of people in person to use Ubuntu. Online was hard enough at times. sadly I did lose a potential friend for promoting Ubuntu, and well probably a few other reasons as well reallyMay 09 19:23
msb_sebsebseb: does have The Power Of Nightmares, which I link to.  Tells how Al-Qaida with the multi-storey underground fortresses was totally the bogus invention of some prisoner, who got released and even paid for it.May 09 19:23
GoForbes28so why does jono visit here?May 09 19:24
ThistleWebhis point is that he'd rather they use some linux than noneMay 09 19:24
ThistleWebif that means bending ubuntu to cater more to that, so be itMay 09 19:24
sebsebsebThistleWeb: who's point?May 09 19:24
ThistleWebjonoMay 09 19:24
MinceRGoForbes28: if i wanted to assume the worst, i'd say for the same reason as benJIman visits #boycottnovell May 09 19:24
GoForbes28ahMay 09 19:24
sebsebsebJono would like people using Ubuntu really, but he would make do (I think that's the correct thing to say) with people using other distro's as wellMay 09 19:24
GoForbes28or the same reason florian follows Roy on identiMay 09 19:25
MinceRpreferring *ubuntu over winblows and OSuX doesn't mean i agree with most of the things canonical doesMay 09 19:25
GoForbes28To quote RMSMay 09 19:25
sebsebsebMinceR: same hereMay 09 19:25
GoForbes28"No other GNU/Linux distribution has backslided so far away from freedom. Switching from MS Windows to Linspire does not bring you to freedom, it just gets you a different master."May 09 19:25
sebsebsebMinceR: altough in my case, uhmm, well  I guess for me really when it comes to looks and only looks.  XP by default would even look much nicer than Ubuntu since 10.04,  unless maybe running UnityMay 09 19:26
GoForbes28Hence why Jono's logic is flawedMay 09 19:26
GoForbes28if you are correct ThistlewebMay 09 19:26
MinceRsebsebseb: i'm not sure if they went that bad, considering the Fisher-Price default look of XPMay 09 19:26
MinceR:>May 09 19:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] ♻ @c0y0t3: Ya no se respeta ni el Dominio Público #vergonzoso #extorsion #mafia #atraso !eolMay 09 19:27
sebsebsebMinceR: ok yeah maye not for XP, for this, but  Vista by default, so yeah looks only,  way better than Ubuntu since 10.04 really for meMay 09 19:27
sebsebsebplus that's dark as well like UbuntuMay 09 19:27
GoForbes28BS sebsebsebMay 09 19:27
sebsebsebGoForbes28: no it's notMay 09 19:27
GoForbes28Vista is ugly is so many placesMay 09 19:27
sebsebsebI quite like the graphics VIsta comes withMay 09 19:27
GoForbes28I've been running 7 against my will for monthsMay 09 19:28
GoForbes28it's ugly where it countsMay 09 19:28
GoForbes28And inefficientMay 09 19:28
GoForbes28huge toolbars, wasted screenspaceMay 09 19:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Openbox does tend to take longer to set up but so far, so good, will switch to a rolling #Crunchbang laterMay 09 19:28
GoForbes28inconsistent looksMay 09 19:28
GoForbes28I'd take practical, Ikea looks any day (XFCE)May 09 19:29
sebsebsebGoForbes28: Why does jono come here you asked earlier, I said something about jono coming here to msb_ before you cameMay 09 19:29
sebsebsebas for why he comes here uhmmMay 09 19:29
sebsebsebwellMay 09 19:29
msb_brbMay 09 19:29
ThistleWebfreedom is great when it's comparable in quality, in the real world people don't care about freedom, they care about their stuff working, hence the comprimisesMay 09 19:29
MinceRso he can keep an eye on us :>May 09 19:29
sebsebsebI remember when I used to think it was, because he was some sort of online friend of schestowitz ,but no I don't think that's quite itMay 09 19:29
sebsebseband yeah what MinceR said, that's basically what I was going to typeMay 09 19:29
ThistleWebthere's a reason why the 100% free distros have very small techie only usersMay 09 19:29
GoForbes28thistleweb: Beyond that, they don't care about electing a gov't that promote Internet surveilance -_-May 09 19:30
ThistleWebone day they may be an option for regular people, but it won't be for agesMay 09 19:30
GoForbes28Laurel uses Trisquel...May 09 19:30
GoForbes28She ain't techieMay 09 19:30
ThistleWebgood for herMay 09 19:30
sebsebsebMinceR: anyway yeah he probably comes here at  times, because he knows there's negative Ubuntu stuff in here sometimes.May 09 19:30
GoForbes28IndeedMay 09 19:30
sebsebsebGoForbes28: indeed to what, what you wer sayigjn about laurel?May 09 19:31
sebsebseblaurel wuss rum is an UBuntu userMay 09 19:31
sebsebseband Windows userMay 09 19:31
GoForbes28So Gordon, something I've been wanting to ask you, how's the political situation in Scotland?  Also, I wanted to understand how the representation there works.May 09 19:31
ThistleWebsometimes? it's like a cheerleading echo chamber to blame ubuntu for everything sometimesMay 09 19:31
GoForbes28sebsebseb: Switched to Trisquel after the font issuesMay 09 19:31
ThistleWebsome of us think we count so we voteMay 09 19:31
sebsebsebThistleWeb: on the subject of cheerleading, really Ubuntu has loads of cheer leaders, most people in it's community, saying how great it is all over the InternetMay 09 19:31
GoForbes28sebsebseb: For her new bookMay 09 19:32
sebsebseband so onMay 09 19:32
sebsebsebor at leat the people I see on the Internet doing itMay 09 19:32
ThistleWebit's bad FOR YOUMay 09 19:32
ThistleWebit's not bad for many who use itMay 09 19:32
sebsebsebwhich is quite a  lotMay 09 19:32
GoForbes28Thistleweb: I mean, how exactly is Scotland a part of the UK?  Is it like a province?  Does it have it's own sub-gov't?May 09 19:32
ThistleWebit's a devolved parliment, Blair thoght he'd win lifelong labour control in scotland by giving us a reurendum on devolved govt, which we said yes to.....then went against his plan by deciding for ourselves who we wanted in chargeMay 09 19:33
sebsebsebThistleWeb: I still try it out sometimes, like I was doing recently, so actsauly uhmmm welll and I know what I might get called after saying this, but anyway.  I put on the Beta 2.  and my latest install is still on here, but this install is one where I installed the Gnome 3 ppa wrongly, and so got basically Gnome 2, with the Gnome 3 toolsMay 09 19:33
sebsebseb,but yeah when I bother I will re install give the final another try, Unity and Gnome 3 ppa, but I may even try out Fedora 15 Release Candidate before that or whatever, I mean it's meant to be coming out tommorowMay 09 19:34
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: Is the party currently in charge pretty much going to do what the Parti Quebecois did her?May 09 19:34
ThistleWeblabour didn't get a free "thanks for life" that they expected, they were part of a long coalition govt until the other day when the SNP got a large majorityMay 09 19:34
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: The scottish nationalist party?May 09 19:34
sebsebsebGoForbes28: quite a lot of Scots want Scotland to become it's own country again, but also quite a lot want it to stay as part of the UK I guessMay 09 19:34
ThistleWebGoForbes28: yepMay 09 19:34
GoForbes28So there will be a separation referendum?May 09 19:35
ThistleWebsebsebseb: you're missing the point, it's not for you, if you don't like it fine, use something elseMay 09 19:35
ThistleWebfedora do great stuff, but it's not for meMay 09 19:35
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: tried Debian testing yet? ;)May 09 19:36
sebsebsebsometimes I test software that isn't really aimed at me, like I have been with Unity. so  with 10.10 on my desktop, with Ubuntu and Lubuntu.   11.04 alpha 1 with Unity, and yeah Beta 2May 09 19:36
sebsebseband when I bother the final of 11.04 as well, after the rei nstallMay 09 19:36
ThistleWebI try to keep my sarcastic comments about fedora to myself mostly because they do great stuff, it's just not for meMay 09 19:36
sebsebsebThistleWeb: Fedora isn't  realy for me either for a few reaosns, but anyway why not for you?May 09 19:36
GoForbes28He prefers DebianMay 09 19:37
sebsebsebnoMay 09 19:37
sebsebsebhe likes LInux Mint a lotMay 09 19:37
GoForbes28As do IMay 09 19:37
ThistleWebGoForbes28: sadly mint xfce was a total fail on the netbook, so I switched to crunchbang, I'm gonna flip the sources list from squeeze to testing laterMay 09 19:37
GoForbes28DebianMay 09 19:37
sebsebseboh ok ThistleWeb is on CrunchbangMay 09 19:37
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: I meant Debian Testing literallyMay 09 19:37
ThistleWebmainly because testing has the glorious xfce 4.8May 09 19:37
GoForbes28My testing right now has been Debian with testing repos onMay 09 19:38
sebsebsebright, but I think most distro's that provide XFCE have that nowMay 09 19:38
ThistleWebyeah the netbook went through a few distros over the last week or so, the plan was a rolling mint xfce but it was horridMay 09 19:38
GoForbes28with guidance from Diablo-D3 (thanks)May 09 19:38
ThistleWebunusually glitchyMay 09 19:38
ThistleWebso it's crunchbang on openboxMay 09 19:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Finished #MadMen season 4; started out questionable, became good, then much of last episode had !disturbing qualities of end of #LostMay 09 19:38
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: I think Mint rolling  is based on SidMay 09 19:38
GoForbes28not testingMay 09 19:38
ThistleWebnah it's testingMay 09 19:38
GoForbes28I think it is more like aptosidMay 09 19:38
*MinceR prefers debian stableMay 09 19:39
GoForbes28because testing isn't rolling all the timeMay 09 19:39
GoForbes28MinceR: As I learned from Diablo, testing is what other distros call stableMay 09 19:39
ThistleWebwhatever it is, it's not right, I had so many issues I'd never expect from mintMay 09 19:39
MinceRi prefer what that distro calls stable :>May 09 19:39
GoForbes28Diablo indicated that stable is more apporpriate for software testingMay 09 19:40
GoForbes28like a science experiment where one variable must be held constantMay 09 19:40
sebsebsebThistleWeb: anyway Ubuntu is like Windows,  and well I do keep an eye on things that are popular here and there,  espesially if they are  something I could use really reasonably ok as in happyish, with some customising so yeah like Ubuntu for example.  and customising could be changing from Unity to something else,  or doing things with Unity even, depends.  ,but yeah customising means changing something  from the defaultMay 09 19:40
ThistleWebsebsebseb: you're free to use whatever you wantMay 09 19:40
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: My brother had no luck with regular MintMay 09 19:40
ThistleWebI liked unity, I also liked gnome 3 / gnome shell.....not enough that I'd feel at home, but both have good ideas thereMay 09 19:41
sebsebsebyeah and I am alloweed to talk abad about Ubuntu in here sometimes even :D like other people also do who come here.  However I am glad that I don't do negative blog posts about Ubuntu, but well it can be quite fun to read other people's at times :)May 09 19:41
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: Definitely good ideas, brought down by poor executionMay 09 19:41
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: In my opinionMay 09 19:42
ThistleWebsebsebseb: you're one of a few who seem to get great pleasure from knocking ubuntu in here, even though you don't use itMay 09 19:42
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: Every time I've tried Gnome, I last about 5 minutesMay 09 19:42
MinceRi don't do negative blog posts about anything :>May 09 19:42
GoForbes28I do, mostly about HarperMay 09 19:43
GoForbes28if you count Identi as a blog serviceMay 09 19:43
ThistleWebGoForbes28: they're not for everyone I agree, they're also very early projects that will improve with time, fix bugs, better hardware support etcMay 09 19:43
schestowitzHAARPerMay 09 19:43
sebsebsebThistleWeb: well I am really using it at the moment, and explaiend why above.  altough I did re install the Beta 2 after  things went wrong before, specifically to try out the Gnome 3 ppa, but tha didn't quite go as planned either.   I had isues with a lot of Live CD's with Gnome 3,  so wanted to try the ppa.May 09 19:43
ThistleWebthe hardware part seems to be a BIG issue with a lot of people with both gnome shell and unityMay 09 19:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] Que pasa cuando un "grande" infringe copyright,eh? !eolMay 09 19:43
GoForbes28Thistleweb: You were right about Mint being testing, sorryMay 09 19:43
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GoForbes28schestowitz: My interview went well :)May 09 19:43
GoForbes28Thistleweb: Still, you should give regular Debian Testing a goMay 09 19:44
sebsebseband I even here and there take part in some of the Ubuntu Community stuff still, so being clear, I have mixed feelngs when it comes to UbuntuMay 09 19:44
ThistleWebsebsebseb: what part of "Beta 2" made you assume you were installing a fully final and tested product?May 09 19:44
sebsebsebyes yes, I know about the bugs and such, done development versions beforeMay 09 19:44
GoForbes28Thistleweb: Has less extraneous "crap" (my opinion) that could cause problemsMay 09 19:44
sebsebsebthat's also why I should get round to re instaling with the final soon, and then give the ppa another try and such, but I haven't been bothered to just yetMay 09 19:45
GoForbes28Schestowitz: Let me be clear about being clearMay 09 19:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Friends and members: What new company do YOU want to see in the "Who Has Your Back" privacy campaign? #standwithme 09 19:45
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ThistleWebdon't get me wrong, neither are perfect, both are lacking features etc but neither are made by people who are trying to kill linuxMay 09 19:45
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ThistleWebmy netbook has the drivers to do the 3d acel in both, so maybe I got lucky there, albeit with a small cpu etc so my experiences weren't too bad with eitherMay 09 19:46
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: Well, not the technical part, but there is a threat to the culture and community surrounding it, though small right nowMay 09 19:46
GoForbes28For ex., the Ubuntu as the "one" GNU+LinuxMay 09 19:46
GoForbes28Which reminds me of the two-party systemMay 09 19:47
GoForbes28and rubs me the same wayMay 09 19:47
sebsebsebThistleWeb: Canonical want to spread Ubuntu,  unfortuantly as a result, they are also making things much harder for other Linux distributions when it comes to getting a big userbaseMay 09 19:47
GoForbes28(Canada should not go in that direction if the US is the ideal example)May 09 19:47
GoForbes28sebsebseb: Not necessarilyMay 09 19:48
ThistleWebpeople who come to linux with ubuntu are not all the same, plenty don't care about what it is, they just wanna use it, other distros never had a chance with themMay 09 19:48
sebsebsebGoForbes28: yes they are, and right now, there is no other distro that can comepte agaisnt it properly, not even FedoraMay 09 19:48
GoForbes28sebsebseb: Ubuntu's position is conditional.  Even Opensuse was very popularMay 09 19:48
ThistleWebothers who come to it, and gradually explore linux, FOSS etc will see there's plenty other options and try others as they get comfyMay 09 19:48
ThistleWebsome will prefer other distros, DE's etcMay 09 19:49
GoForbes28Thistleweb: Hopefully yesMay 09 19:49
ThistleWebsome will prefer UbuntuMay 09 19:49
ThistleWebI'd rather they prefer ubuntu that windows or osx, it's still linuxMay 09 19:49
sebsebsebin my expereince quite a lot of Ubuntu newbies, are up to being told about things, upstream,  other DE's, other Linux distributions, and so onMay 09 19:49
ThistleWebthey may well contribute in other ways to other projects like libreoffice, gimp, scribus etc that we all benefit fromMay 09 19:50
GoForbes28sebsebseb: I don't want other distros to match Ubuntu in order to compete with itMay 09 19:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Linux Journal • by Michael Reed • Kdenlive 0.8 Relased 09 19:50
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GoForbes28Ubuntu in many ways does things wrongMay 09 19:50
GoForbes28stability for exampleMay 09 19:50
GoForbes28No where near DebianMay 09 19:50
GoForbes28Ubuntu hides this deficiency with non-essential features and eye-candyMay 09 19:51
GoForbes28like how Windows doesMay 09 19:51
sebsebsebI guess really most of the time I would still want them using Ubuntu really, instead or as well as, but then Ubuntu as main OS, instead of Windows or Mac OS X, but then again I really don't care as much about that as I used to,  and also I would prefer that they used some other distro now instead, because of the direciton Ubuntu ahs been going in since 9.04, altough the new direction properly started with 10.04.May 09 19:51
GoForbes28Cerainly not to the same extent, but it's the same conceptMay 09 19:51
ThistleWebif people come to ubuntu and stay on it, it will swell ubuntu's numbers, helping make the case that linux is mainstream and should be treated as such by hardware vendorsMay 09 19:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Canonical Blog: Canonical and Lenovo Collaboration 09 19:52
sebsebsebwell yes and no to cthatMay 09 19:52
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ThistleWebhopefully with retailers offering preinstalled ubuntu as well as windowsMay 09 19:52
sebsebseb,because the companies may start making for only Ubuntu, not  more than one distroMay 09 19:52
*ThistleWeb sighsMay 09 19:52
ThistleWebthis is a pointless argumentMay 09 19:52
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: Problem is, what if that goal results in Ubuntu DRM or becoming overly proprietary?May 09 19:52
ThistleWebfeel free to pour bile on ubuntu, you're gonna anywayMay 09 19:52
sebsebsebWindows, Mac OS X, and Ubuntu, that's what they may end up making their thing,  since companies tend to care about most market share, and yep it will be UbuntuMay 09 19:52
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: For example, when Toyota wanted to become #1, they sacrificed a lot of what the company stood for, allowing some negative American practices to distort the company's original missionMay 09 19:53
sebsebsebalso something related to do with market share, well maybe it's  a good thing that Firefox as of verison 4, and chrome/chromium soon or already, no longer say  th Desktop Linux dsitro someone is on in the user agent string, instead just say Linux.  However why would that be a good thing when on about market share?  well, because all or most Desktop Linux distro's are pretty similar anyawy really,  and how maybe people should  Desktop Linux withMay 09 19:54
sebsebsebmany distro's,   not this distro, that distro, and that distroMay 09 19:54
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: It's all well and good to have an OEM Linux, but what have we won when so much compromise has taken place that the situation is just as RMS described it?May 09 19:54
ThistleWebit's stepping stonesMay 09 19:54
GoForbes28We will have transitioned from Coke to Pepsi, wipdee-dooMay 09 19:54
GoForbes28It's the same cloud computing arguement I've heard aroundMay 09 19:55
ThistleWebanyone holding out for a magical leap across the void from a closed world to a totally open one is gonna wait a LONG timeMay 09 19:55
GoForbes28DefinitelyMay 09 19:55
ThistleWebit needs to be done in stepsMay 09 19:55
sebsebsebThistleWeb: Jono BaconMay 09 19:55
sebsebsebwell he says his thing about market shareMay 09 19:55
sebsebsebit was in that audio cast episode as wellMay 09 19:55
GoForbes28It reminds me of the cloud computing articlesMay 09 19:55
GoForbes28*argumentsMay 09 19:56
ThistleWebif that means putting like flash player on so people can watch youtube, so be itMay 09 19:56
sebsebsebwell not so much about market share, but about non technical users, and how over time, can get more and more of them using a distroMay 09 19:56
ThistleWebin the meantime the pressure builds to make yooutube all html5 so it's not neededMay 09 19:56
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: Luckly, flash is dying if all indications are correctMay 09 19:56
ThistleWebit's not dyingMay 09 19:56
sebsebsebFlash doesn't bother me that much, altoug yeah it can crash and  make the computer  run bad, but yeah I want Flash installed. and have it installedMay 09 19:56
ThistleWebmore and more are seeing html5 may be the better bet for stuff like videosMay 09 19:57
GoForbes28Really, I don't want to put my trust in a company who's Reader product was sandboxed, and still is a poorly protected messMay 09 19:57
sebsebsebanyway Richard Stallman for example would be like NO FLASH  it's propritaryMay 09 19:57
GoForbes28Well, I moving away from FlashMay 09 19:57
GoForbes28It has pissed me off one too many timiesMay 09 19:57
schestowitzDon't say mono bacon, pleaseMay 09 19:57
schestowitzOur enemies the mono trolls use that against usMay 09 19:57
ThistleWebthink of it like php apps, php may not be the best choice for some stuff, in many cases it isn't but what it does have is the sheer number of people who speak phpMay 09 19:57
schestowitzAnd jono is not really pro-monoMay 09 19:58
schestowitzHe's apatheticMay 09 19:58
schestowitzmono is moneyMay 09 19:58
sebsebsebschestowitz: who called him that just now? I don't see itMay 09 19:58
schestowitzDon't call jono a monkeyMay 09 19:58
schestowitzIt's not just true or respectfulMay 09 19:58
schestowitzAnd MinceR, Canonical is not Novell 2.0May 09 19:58
schestowitzThey are *very* different companiesMay 09 19:58
schestowitzCanonical is all FOSS (almost)May 09 19:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] heise security • Identity theft with !OpenID 09 19:58
ThistleWebflash is the same, plenty of web devs have bought into that as a way to have visual pointy clicky websites and advertsMay 09 19:58
sebsebseboh your replying to MinceR from earlierMay 09 19:58
GoForbes28That's for sureMay 09 19:58
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schestowitzNovell is a piece of rubbishMay 09 19:58
schestowitzIt just bought Ximian and SUSEMay 09 19:58
schestowitzAnd Novell pays Microsoft for LinuxMay 09 19:59
ThistleWebmp3 is everywhere, so is h264May 09 19:59
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: Yeah, the adverts are often malciousMay 09 19:59
ThistleWebthe point is a lot of people who make sites and stuff for sites use itMay 09 19:59
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: I wouldn't mind ads that were safe and unobtrusiveMay 09 19:59
ThistleWebthey have to switch their skills to adapt, or keep doing what they do without retrainingMay 09 19:59
schestowitzGoForbes28: good luck on the interviewMay 09 20:00
GoForbes28schestowitz: It's doneMay 09 20:00
GoForbes28...May 09 20:00
ThistleWeblike windows, they may hate fighting with it's quirks, but they've got a lot of experience doing itMay 09 20:00
schestowitzGoForbes28: job interview?May 09 20:00
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: That's why I object so strongly to the Excel course a part of my universityMay 09 20:00
GoForbes28schestowitz: YeahMay 09 20:00
schestowitzgood luck re outcomeMay 09 20:00
GoForbes28I have the jobMay 09 20:01
GoForbes28*got the jobMay 09 20:01
sebsebsebThistleWeb: Ubuntu One Music Sotre, Software Cente offering propritary software, Ubuntu One pay for more space.  Yes all that may be a bad thing really for quite a few of us from a technical freedom point of view and all tha.  However this is stuff the average consumer may want to use and even pay for, so yep it's in Ubuntu.May 09 20:01
schestowitzwhat area is it if I may ask?May 09 20:01
GoForbes28Community Service for disadvantaged kidsMay 09 20:01
schestowitzniceMay 09 20:01
GoForbes28thanksMay 09 20:01
schestowitza friend's girlfriend does thatMay 09 20:01
ThistleWebcongratsMay 09 20:01
GoForbes28Thanks GordMay 09 20:01
schestowitz*very* ethical jobMay 09 20:01
GoForbes28DefinitelyMay 09 20:02
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: Do you mind the name "Gord" BTW?May 09 20:02
ThistleWebunless it's an offshoot of Foxconn where the "help" is "work experience ina sweat shop making iPads"May 09 20:02
ThistleWebI prefer GordonMay 09 20:02
schestowitzit's not an unethical jobMay 09 20:02
schestowitzThey make productsMay 09 20:02
GoForbes28Thistleweb: OkMay 09 20:02
schestowitzThose who abuse them have unethical jobsMay 09 20:02
schestowitzThose who put them in these conditionsMay 09 20:03
schestowitzMost jobs are ethicalMay 09 20:03
GoForbes28schestowitz: unethical conditionsMay 09 20:03
GoForbes28indeed, the core of the jobs is ethicalMay 09 20:03
schestowitzBut the minority that pays a lot of money has a lower proportion of ethical positiionsMay 09 20:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !GNOME 3 versus GNOME 2 debates • by Smooge 09 20:03
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GoForbes28schestowitz: Just ask the Harper Party -_-May 09 20:04
sebsebsebmsb_: uhmmm this I should have sent to you as wel really, and it was in reply to ThistleWeb 's comment about Flash being in a distro so be it for more users: Ubuntu One Music Sotre, Software Cente offering propritary software, Ubuntu One pay for more space.  Yes all that may be a bad thing really for quite a few of us from a technical freedom point of view and all tha.  However this is stuff the average consumer may want to use and even pay forMay 09 20:04
sebsebseb so yep it's in Ubuntu.May 09 20:04
schestowitzto clarify: The kid who builds a product for you=ethical job. But the company the kid works for is likely managed by shameless bastardsMay 09 20:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Google linking Android to App Engine cloud (Computerworld): 09 20:05
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sebsebsebmsb_: your away or whatever, but you may read that later :d ^May 09 20:05
schestowitzIOW, don't blame people who clean kitchen at McDonalds for McDonalds being a disgusting companyMay 09 20:05
sebsebseb[19:47] <GoForbes28> sebsebseb: Ubuntu's position is conditional.  Even Opensuse was very popularMay 09 20:06
schestowitzThe person most likely already knows his employer is a POSMay 09 20:06
schestowitzor herMay 09 20:06
sebsebseb[19:49] <GoForbes28> sebsebseb: I don't want other distros to match Ubuntu in order to compete with itMay 09 20:06
sebsebsebGoForbes28: Can you explain what you meant by this ^ properly?May 09 20:06
schestowitzThe 'front end' staff in McDonalds gets most of the abuse thoughMay 09 20:06
schestowitzWhich is sadMay 09 20:06
GoForbes28sebsebseb: I cont'd afterwardsMay 09 20:06
schestowitzThe monsters use them as human shieldsMay 09 20:06
schestowitzFodderMay 09 20:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Installing !Fedora 15 for #PPC on an #IBM Power machine • by Dan Horák 09 20:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Nice to see Fedora working on a broader range of hardware, even tho I'll never personally make use of it :)May 09 20:07
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sebsebsebGoForbes28: well yeah sort of, but you didn't explain why you don't want another distro to compete agasinst itMay 09 20:07
schestowitzI recently set up a Linux server at a school for disabled childrenMay 09 20:07
sebsebsebGoForbes28: why you don't want another to give it some nice proper comeptition :)May 09 20:07
GoForbes28schestowitz: Thanks for pointing out the job ethics point out.  I didn't think about that.:)May 09 20:08
ThistleWebschestowitz: that reminds me, you thought about a mumble server to do techbytes?May 09 20:08
GoForbes28sebsebseb: I refered to Ubuntu's practice of hiding stability issue through the cloak of eye candy and non-essentially "gadget" featuresMay 09 20:08
ThistleWebit's surprisingly decentMay 09 20:08
ThistleWebmay get a better, more consistent sound quality when more people are onMay 09 20:09
sebsebsebGoForbes28: yeah Ubuntu is more about what is seen, than what is underneath, I guessMay 09 20:09
GoForbes28sebsebseb: "Gadget" <> Widget or whateverMay 09 20:09
GoForbes28Gadget in the more general senseMay 09 20:09
GoForbes28sebsebseb: That I don't likeMay 09 20:09
GoForbes28I sacrifice looks for functionalityMay 09 20:10
sebsebsebyeah, but it didn't used to be this wayMay 09 20:10
sebsebsebthat stuff started when 9.04 was in developmentMay 09 20:10
GoForbes28I want Ikea furnitureMay 09 20:10
GoForbes28-kinda thingMay 09 20:10
GoForbes28sebsebseb: Don't be so gloom.  The derivatives seem to be practicing increased independenceMay 09 20:10
GoForbes28Xubuntu comes to mindMay 09 20:11
sebsebseboh you think Ikea furniture is good?  well ok I am half Swedish, but my  English father would say  to my Swedish mother at times maybe, about Ikea furtniture being cheap junk,  or something like thatMay 09 20:11
GoForbes28The chair I'm sitting in is nice :)May 09 20:11
GoForbes28simpleMay 09 20:11
GoForbes28attractiveMay 09 20:11
GoForbes28but not flashy or over adornedMay 09 20:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @araceletorres: RT @falaflo Noam #Chomsky: My Reaction to Osama bin Laden’s Death #USAmaMay 09 20:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The Pirate Bay: “The Battle of Internets is About to Begin” | TorrentFreak 09 20:12
GoForbes28and you know how it is put togetherMay 09 20:12
ThistleWebsebsebseb: we live in a "good enough" worldMay 09 20:12
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sebsebsebI had a nice wodden chair from Ikea, but well eventauly it broke, after  about two years or something thoughMay 09 20:12
schestowitz 09 20:12
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schestowitz[20:08] <ThistleWeb> schestowitz: that reminds me, you thought about a mumble server to do techbytes?May 09 20:12
schestowitzyesMay 09 20:12
sebsebsebThistleWeb: ok your trying to say basically,  Ubuntu is a good enough Linux distro really?May 09 20:13
schestowitzneed to test it over the weekendMay 09 20:13
ThistleWebI was very pleasantly surpriesd with mumbleMay 09 20:13
schestowitzsebsebseb: me uses Ikea for lots of thingsMay 09 20:13
ThistleWebsebsebseb: for most of it's users it isMay 09 20:13
ThistleWebwindows xp is also good enough for most, because they don't know betterMay 09 20:14
sebsebsebwell it still can be for me really,  it's jsut I got to change much more now,  than I used to have to doMay 09 20:14
GoForbes28Gordon, what IM are you using now for TechBytes?  Is it still Skype?May 09 20:14
sebsebsebwell if securty is done right, and no I don't mean anti virus,  I mean limited acccounts, more secure brwoser, a sandbox possibly even.  anwyay security done right and Windows XP isn't that bad reallyMay 09 20:15
ThistleWebI'm only on the audio eps, and yes skype for thatMay 09 20:15
GoForbes28Sebsebseb: Adobe Reader has a sandbox and STILL has security problemsMay 09 20:15
GoForbes28DangMay 09 20:15
sebsebsebThistleWeb: thing is, many other Linux distributions would be better for most Ubuntu users, but yep they don't know that, or using your word, they don't know betterMay 09 20:15
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: Have you tried alternative clients in Windows?May 09 20:15
sebsebsebGoForbes28: Chrome has a  sandboxMay 09 20:16
ThistleWebGoForbes28: I raraly use windowsMay 09 20:16
GoForbes28It also is more free software,May 09 20:16
ThistleWebI try to avoid it if I canMay 09 20:16
sebsebsebAdobe Reader has had a Linux version for well qutie  a long time nowMay 09 20:16
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: Yeah, this is more for troubleshotting, see if it is an OS issue, hardware, or connectionMay 09 20:16
GoForbes28sebsebseb: I wouldn't use it either :PMay 09 20:17
ThistleWebyes, and lots of other pdf readers work much better on linuxMay 09 20:17
sebsebsebiwell yeahMay 09 20:17
GoForbes28not to mention much smaller tooMay 09 20:17
ThistleWeball of them MUCH lighter than adobe's clientMay 09 20:17
GoForbes28300+ MB for a F**king readerMay 09 20:17
sebsebsebI think I have had Adobe Reader installed in PC Linux OS maybe, but other then that, no don't think so for LinuxMay 09 20:17
ThistleWebthe extra MB adds xtra importance to the words you read, making it a richer reading experience ;PMay 09 20:18
sebsebseband if so it either came with it, probably not.  actsaully I think I may have installe it from the repo.  ,but anyway yeah whateverMay 09 20:18
sebsebseband yep we got loads of good alternative PDF  viewersMay 09 20:19
sebsebsebreadersMay 09 20:19
GoForbes28sebsebseb: Same thingMay 09 20:19
ThistleWebnot nessesarily, people double clicka pdf in linux, chances are it opens for them to read it, they don't care that it's not the official adobe clientMay 09 20:19
sebsebsebyep same thingMay 09 20:19
ThistleWebthey only go looking if they try to open a file and it won't openMay 09 20:19
schestowitzThistleWeb: I run it right nowMay 09 20:19
schestowitzThe wizards are niceMay 09 20:19
sebsebseband luckily,  many Internet users, don't care that much abuot using the Blue E anymore as well these days :)May 09 20:19
sebsebsebyou nkow the offical Microsoft Windows browserMay 09 20:20
GoForbes28Schestowitz: Run what?  Adobe reader?May 09 20:20
schestowitzno, nmMay 09 20:20
sebsebsebyeah the Blue E is the whole Internet :DMay 09 20:20
GoForbes28sebsebseb: It's an OS component silly.  Totally intergrated, unseparatableeMay 09 20:20
sebsebsebwell there are some progrms that can disable IE or at least disable it moreMay 09 20:20
GoForbes28sebsebseb: Like how you can't remove a car radio with your handsMay 09 20:20
sebsebsebthat was meant to be, remove IE or at least disable moreMay 09 20:21
GoForbes28Therefore, it isn't seperatableMay 09 20:21
GoForbes28[/sarcasm]May 09 20:21
GoForbes28schestowitz: lol, what did you mean?May 09 20:21
ThistleWebschestowitz: do you have a mumble server set up?May 09 20:21
GoForbes28Dumb meMay 09 20:21
GoForbes28of course...May 09 20:22
schestowitzThistleWeb: not serverMay 09 20:22
schestowitzclientMay 09 20:22
ThistleWebkMay 09 20:22
schestowitzand we would need recordingMay 09 20:22
GoForbes28!google mumble serverMay 09 20:22
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Mumble | 09 20:22
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - - Mumble voice hosting servers, probably better ... | 09 20:22
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Cheap Mumble Hosting from $2.00! | Mumble Server Host & Rental | 09 20:22
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Mumble (software) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | 09 20:22
GoForbes28oh yeah!  I remember that nwoMay 09 20:22
GoForbes28nowMay 09 20:23
GoForbes28Think of it Roy, we could do TechBytes and play BZFlag at the same timeMay 09 20:23
GoForbes28:)May 09 20:23
GoForbes28:-DMay 09 20:23
schestowitz 09 20:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Overstock looking to hire some of those fired by Novell | Deseret News .::. Size~: 63.78 KBMay 09 20:23
ThistleWebMineBytesMay 09 20:23
schestowitzMineCraftMay 09 20:23
GoForbes28There are no mines in BZFlag :(May 09 20:23
GoForbes28BZBytes?May 09 20:24
GoForbes28TechFlag?May 09 20:24
sebsebsebMineBombsMay 09 20:24
sebsebsebMineBangsMay 09 20:24
GoForbes28that reminds meMay 09 20:24
GoForbes28!google xonoticMay 09 20:24
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Xonotic | 09 20:24
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Download | Xonotic | 09 20:24
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Xonotic Forums | 09 20:24
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Xonotic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | 09 20:24
ThistleWebMineCamp has the wrong image to itMay 09 20:25
GoForbes28nope, no updates thereMay 09 20:25
GoForbes28TechFlag has a double meaningMay 09 20:25
GoForbes28you are flagging bad techMay 09 20:25
GoForbes28Of course, it opens the door for unfortunate Freudian slips :PMay 09 20:25
GoForbes28schestowitz: Are you using SIP or Ekiga for T-Bytes for the most part now?May 09 20:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] ♺ [iFixit] just took apart an FBI tracking device. Want to see what's inside? 09 20:27
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schestowitzAsayroll: 09 20:29
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schestowitzBTW even red hat staff calls him asaytrollMay 09 20:29
schestowitzmeaning asay trollMay 09 20:29
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GoForbes28"him"?May 09 20:30
schestowitzYes!May 09 20:30
schestowitzJudas!May 09 20:30
Ender_nothomeyo yoMay 09 20:30
schestowitzWhat's up?May 09 20:30
GoForbes28Judas?May 09 20:30
Ender_nothomenot muchMay 09 20:31
GoForbes28!google techrights judasMay 09 20:31
schestowitzGoForbes28: jokeMay 09 20:31
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - ES: La Procedencia De Microsoft Florian | Techrights | 09 20:31
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Ender_nothomelolMay 09 20:32
schestowitzsome people called de Icaza Judas in the commentsMay 09 20:32
GoForbes28ohMay 09 20:32
schestowitzI didn't post such stuff in postsMay 09 20:32
Ender_nothomeyeahMay 09 20:32
GoForbes28MikeyMay 09 20:32
schestowitzSome commenters launched personal attacksMay 09 20:32
GoForbes28Mikey DecalMay 09 20:32
schestowitzLike calling de Icaza gay and ridiculing his parentsMay 09 20:32
GoForbes28That goes a little farMay 09 20:32
schestowitzIt doesMay 09 20:33
GoForbes28Even I wouldn't make a Harper insult like that in a blog postMay 09 20:33
Ender_nothomeI did a little new-agy name analysis on FlorianMay 09 20:33
GoForbes28oh boy...May 09 20:34
schestowitzGoForbes28: I'm in the news today: 09 20:34
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Ender_nothomeFlo = currency, orion = the hunterMay 09 20:34
GoForbes28"Twitter user"? lolMay 09 20:34
schestowitzLOLMay 09 20:34
Ender_nothomehes a money hunterMay 09 20:34
Ender_nothomelolMay 09 20:34
schestowitzGoForbes28: yes, odd..May 09 20:34
schestowitzSince I was using identicaMay 09 20:34
schestowitzAnd Twitter got a copyMay 09 20:34
Ender_nothometheres also a MULE in his last nameMay 09 20:34
schestowitzNow I'm reduced to just "Twitter user"May 09 20:35
GoForbes28which the troll will reduce to just twitMay 09 20:35
schestowitzRoy Schestowitz (Dec 17 1981-2011), "Twitter user"... well, that's about itMay 09 20:35
schestowitzShe could at least mention Boycott NovellMay 09 20:35
GoForbes28Or your PHDMay 09 20:35
schestowitzI was always posting in identica fistMay 09 20:35
schestowitzfirstMay 09 20:36
schestowitzi only joined twitter laterMay 09 20:36
GoForbes28Twitter is pop culture, seeMay 09 20:36
schestowitzNow I become another bird among millionsMay 09 20:36
GoForbes28Might as well described you as humanMay 09 20:36
schestowitzFry is on itMay 09 20:36
schestowitzHe's awesomeMay 09 20:36
schestowitz!google stephen fry atheismMay 09 20:36
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - I love you, Stephen Fry « The Good Atheist | 09 20:37
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - YouTube - God Is Everywhere | 09 20:37
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - The Atheist Handbook: Stephen Fry on god and gods | 09 20:37
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Stephen Fry - Celebrity Atheist List | 09 20:37
GoForbes28!google Stephen Fry Hugh Laurie free softwareMay 09 20:37
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Stephen Fry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | 09 20:37
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Stephen Fry Hugh Laurie Barmys Choice Dialogue - Free MP3 Download | 09 20:37
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Jeeves & Wooster - The Complete Series: Stephen Fry ... | 09 20:37
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - YouTube - Stephen Fry talks about free software (GNU 25th Birthday) | 09 20:37
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GoForbes28ThistleWeb: You are still here, right?May 09 20:38
ThistleWindyepMay 09 20:38
GoForbes28What happened?May 09 20:38
ThistleWindjust checking my netbook xchat configMay 09 20:38
GoForbes28I CMay 09 20:38
ThistleWebcopied across the config, had to tweak lil things like font size etcMay 09 20:38
GoForbes28I continue to CMay 09 20:39
*ThistleWind waves to the peanut galleryMay 09 20:39
GoForbes28schestowitz: Have you tried PSI+ yet?May 09 20:39
ThistleWebThistleWind: May 09 20:39
ThistleWebk, the alerts orkMay 09 20:39
GoForbes28I want an alerts orkMay 09 20:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] there should be a re-spin of #Twitter based on the comedy stylings of Frankie Howerd called #Titter with lot's of "ooooh's"May 09 20:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Scientific Study Links Flammable Drinking Water to #Fracking - no longer "anecdotal": it's in the PNASMay 09 20:40
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Ender_nothomemeg steven fryMay 09 20:40
Ender_nothomemehMay 09 20:40
GoForbes28you've made a lot of slips with "Meg"May 09 20:41
GoForbes28Let's explore thsMay 09 20:41
GoForbes28(Schestowitz: There's a conspiracy here!!)May 09 20:41
Ender_nothomemeh as in he doesn't impress meMay 09 20:43
GoForbes28you said meg the first timeMay 09 20:43
Ender_nothomeyeah its a typoMay 09 20:43
GoForbes28sure, it MIGHT beMay 09 20:43
GoForbes28or maybe you are hiding something...May 09 20:43
Ender_nothomeare you smart enough to figure it out?May 09 20:44
GoForbes28Meg is your secret communist mistress?May 09 20:44
schestowitzMig?May 09 20:44
Ender_nothomenope, meg energy is my employerMay 09 20:44
Ender_nothomean oil company in albertyMay 09 20:44
schestowitz!Google mig plane communistMay 09 20:44
schestowitz!google mig plane communistMay 09 20:45
Ender_nothomebuahahhaahaaMay 09 20:45
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - The MiG-15 | 09 20:45
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | 09 20:45
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Mikoyan-Gurevich Mig-15 | 09 20:45
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Korean Air War | 09 20:45
GoForbes28!google alberta gun nutsMay 09 20:45
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Canadian Gun Nutz | 09 20:45
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Online gun auction? - Alberta Outdoorsmen Forum | 09 20:45
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - YouTube - gun nuts | 09 20:45
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - View topic - Alberta retiree arrested at Ottawa gun registry ... | 09 20:45
Ender_nothomeor was it MEG, the NYSE symbol for Media GeneralMay 09 20:46
Ender_nothomeyou'll never knowMay 09 20:46
GoForbes28Meg Griffin is your secret obsession?May 09 20:46
Ender_nothomefrom Family Guy?May 09 20:46
GoForbes28I would think soMay 09 20:46
Ender_nothomeshes hotMay 09 20:46
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GoForbes28...May 09 20:47
GoForbes28So Roy, have you tried PSI+ yet? (schestowitz)May 09 20:47
Ender_nothomeGoForbes28 - Look at the green book in the background: 09 20:48
TechrightsBot-trNot a web page! Aborting image/jpeg typeMay 09 20:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Meet EFF at our Members-Only Speakeasy in Washington DC on Thursday! 09 20:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pmctechblog/@pmctechblog] Slow #Internet speeds in Washington, #DC: 09 20:48
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GoForbes28illuminati, so what?May 09 20:49
GoForbes28!google Peter Gabriel big time illuminatiMay 09 20:49
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - I Sold My Soul To Rock & Roll & Mind Control - Illuminati News ... | 09 20:49
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - YouTube - Peter Gabriel Using Illuminati Symbolism | 09 20:49
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - YouTube - Peter Gabriel - Big Time [PLAY-Version] | 09 20:49
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Peter Gabriel - Big Time, check symbolism/imagery - David Icke's ... | 09 20:49
GoForbes28OH MY GODDDddddd.May 09 20:49
Ender_nothomeoh niceMay 09 20:49
Ender_nothomesuprised to see roy link that stuffMay 09 20:49
Ender_nothomeoh its googleMay 09 20:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is thistleweb with 66 dents!May 09 20:50
Ender_nothomethey invented communism to start the french revolutionMay 09 20:50
Ender_nothomeamong other invasions/revolutionsMay 09 20:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @mattl: Please help the Libre Graphics Meeting next week and donate a few dollars to the volunteer-run conference -- 09 20:52
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Ender_nothomeI was actually talking to someone here yesterday who also knows what is going onMay 09 20:52
schestowitz[20:47] <GoForbes28> So Roy, have you tried PSI+ yet? (schestowitz)May 09 20:52
schestowitzNot yetMay 09 20:52
schestowitzEnder_nothome: riddle me thisMay 09 20:53
schestowitzwhat is it with the reptilian thing and Icke?May 09 20:53
schestowitzDid he make claims as crazy as he's said to have made?May 09 20:54
schestowitzThere are his political opinionsMay 09 20:54
Ender_nothomethats part of his disinformationMay 09 20:54
schestowitzWhich are not crazyMay 09 20:54
Ender_nothomehe mixes fact and fictionMay 09 20:54
schestowitzBut I also heard him made fun of for other crazy balonyMay 09 20:54
schestowitz*baloneyMay 09 20:54
Ender_nothomehe used to work for the media, as a sports broadcasterMay 09 20:54
schestowitzSo the question is, what would he say in his defence?May 09 20:54
schestowitzEnder_nothome: and..May 09 20:55
Ender_nothomeim not sure, i dont really follow his crazy stuffMay 09 20:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Why The New Guy Can’t Code (TechCrunch): 09 20:55
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schestowitzAnd why would one mix fiction with facts? What would that achieve?May 09 20:55
Ender_nothomei just happened to stumple upon him among othersMay 09 20:55
schestowitzEnder_nothome: I saw that in youtube tooMay 09 20:55
Ender_nothomehe works for the governmentMay 09 20:55
schestowitzOne case was a show he was onMay 09 20:55
schestowitzOn TV...May 09 20:55
schestowitzThey ask him about reptile crocodile stuffMay 09 20:55
Ender_nothomehis job is to make conspiracy theories seem crazyMay 09 20:55
schestowitzWhich makes him look very dumbMay 09 20:56
schestowitzeIOW, controlled opposition?May 09 20:56
Ender_nothomeyes controlled oppositionMay 09 20:56
schestowitzAnd where does it say he works for the govt?May 09 20:56
Ender_nothomehis latest book tries to say the moon is an alien space shipMay 09 20:56
schestowitzLOLMay 09 20:56
schestowitzDoes it?May 09 20:56
schestowitzDoes it say that I mean?May 09 20:57
Ender_nothomeit doest sayMay 09 20:57
Ender_nothomeeveryone thinks he doesMay 09 20:57
schestowitzMaybe distortionMay 09 20:57
schestowitzI see people daemonised like thisMay 09 20:57
schestowitzPeople say I said things I didn't too. Esp. the mono liars.May 09 20:57
schestowitzNot sure how effective those lies about me are...May 09 20:57
schestowitzThey can invalidate people as sources if they succeedMay 09 20:58
MinceRschestowitz: well, there's one differenceMay 09 20:58
schestowitz!google linus pauling crank vitamin dMay 09 20:58
MinceRnovell didn't have a hardon for crApple :>May 09 20:58
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Linus Pauling: Genius or Crank? « Thomas Hager | 09 20:58
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Linus Pauling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | 09 20:58
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schestowitzMinceR: it didMay 09 20:59
schestowitzsome execs there use Apple-branded PCsMay 09 20:59
MinceRwell, at least they didn't make that much of a show out of itMay 09 20:59
schestowitzI think these were call McBooks or somethingMay 09 20:59
schestowitz*CalledMay 09 20:59
schestowitzNot edible thoughMay 09 21:00
schestowitzit has toxins and breaks your teethMay 09 21:00
MinceR:>May 09 21:00
schestowitzthe maker is called apples IIRCMay 09 21:00
schestowitzThey don't sell foodMay 09 21:00
MinceRwell, ammonia+meat doesn't break your teethMay 09 21:00
schestowitzAnd they don't feed the hungryMay 09 21:00
schestowitzMinceR: May 09 21:01
schestowitz!google canonical meeting macbooksMay 09 21:01
MinceRsee, canonical breaks your botMay 09 21:01
MinceR:>May 09 21:01
schestowitzought to be something from around 2008May 09 21:01
schestowitzought to be something from around 2008May 09 21:01
schestowitz!google canonical meeting macbooksMay 09 21:01
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Canonical Voices | 09 21:01
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - ec2 - Canonical Voices | 09 21:01
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Canonical partners with AMI, Dell & Intel - Computerworld Blogs | 09 21:01
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - New Macbook Pro's Only Support Windows 7 | IT Knowledge Hub | 09 21:01
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Canonical Voices | 09 21:02
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - ec2 - Canonical Voices | 09 21:02
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Canonical partners with AMI, Dell & Intel - Computerworld Blogs | 09 21:02
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - New Macbook Pro's Only Support Windows 7 | IT Knowledge Hub | 09 21:02
schestowitzlagMay 09 21:02
schestowitzmaybe googlagMay 09 21:02
schestowitzgoolagMay 09 21:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @diablod3: The Free Software Foundation is now accepting Bitcoin donations 09 21:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RD @bkuhn @sabdfl in keynote today: "I can't sell my house if your plant in my garden is under a license that prohibits it." | #HarmonygateMay 09 21:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] Very surprised at the lack of DRM tags and critical reviews on the PS3 -- we'll have to do something about this. !dbdMay 09 21:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] Okay, there are a few more on the entry, but still... !dbdMay 09 21:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] The Feuding Facebook Mansions of Palo Alto (Gawker): 09 21:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @arnebab: Wonderful xkcd: Marie Curie → “You don’t become great by trying to be great” #q #scienceMay 09 21:20
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Ender_nothome:)May 09 21:20
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GoForbes28"Many people criticise Apple a lot for being to ?locked down? to their own software. However many people aren?t actually aware that Apple does let you choose what you?re preferred operating system is."May 09 21:28
GoForbes28"It allows users to run Windows XP, Vista and Windows 7 on Macbooks. "May 09 21:28
GoForbes28Uh huhMay 09 21:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft TV ads to target old PCs with anti-'good enough' angle (Computerworld): 09 21:28
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GoForbes28Totally not restrained or locked-down at allMay 09 21:28
GoForbes28nosireeMay 09 21:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Ok, time to go !identiverse, got my hands on Fast 5 ;)May 09 21:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] IEEE seeks data on Ethernet bandwidth needs: terabit Ethernet on the way? (Computerworld): 09 21:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] The great corporate tax swindle 09 21:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] US attacks on New Zealand drug agency draw anger - wonderfully robust response (v @jamie_love @joaocarapinha) #nz #tppMay 09 21:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Liverpool on a blinder tonightMay 09 21:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] SimplyMEPIS 11 adds !LibreOffice and a faster !Firefox 4 09 21:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Tonight: Trivia at The Haven -- -- @donaldrobertsoniii and @mattl from 8:30pm. @thehavenjpMay 09 21:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !LibreOffice is the future of Free Software Office suites by Michael MeeksMay 09 21:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Android Nabs Third Of #Smartphone Market, #BlackBerry Plummets - when will it plateau?May 09 21:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @glynmoody: US attacks on #NZ drug agency draw anger wonderfully robust response v @jamie_love @joaocarapinha #tppMay 09 21:40
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Ender_nothomeAll hail Ira Einhorn?May 09 21:42
Ender_nothome 09 21:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Amazon Web Services Offers Customers On-Demand !RedHat Enterprise !Linux | WHIR 09 21:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Court gagging orders unravel as #Twitter allegations ruffle feathers of celebrities - cracks in the edificeMay 09 21:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Skype for Mac requires manual update to fix security vulnerability « but why manual? 09 21:52
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schestowitzGoForbes28: Apple rarely FORCES people to buy its garbageMay 09 21:52
schestowitzNot even imposing it on schoolchildren much of the timeMay 09 21:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks Medal presentation live stream from London 2.30pm 10 May 09 21:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @johnsu01: Very surprised at the lack of DRM tags and critical reviews on the PS3, [gotta] do something about this. 09 21:53
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schestowitzfrom that POV, they just prey on ignorance and lack of confidence  (people compensate for inferioty complex by getting lured as Apple makes false status promises)May 09 21:53
schestowitzApple does want to force Linux users to pay AopleMay 09 21:54
schestowitzWith patent lawsuitsMay 09 21:54
schestowitzAnd it harms some FOSS projectsMay 09 21:54
schestowitzit also harms standards like ODFMay 09 21:54
Ender_nothomethey just want everyones moneyMay 09 21:55
Ender_nothomesteve jobs needs more body partsMay 09 21:55
schestowitzApple does not seem to be lobbying muchMay 09 21:55
schestowitzUnless you can prove otherwiseMay 09 21:55
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schestowitz!apple lobbyingMay 09 21:56
schestowitz!apple lobbyistsMay 09 21:56
schestowitz!google apple lobbyingMay 09 21:56
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Apple's D.C. Lobbying Efforts Get Fierce | 09 21:56
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Apple secrecy is bitter fruit on Hill - | 09 21:56
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Barack Obama's Ex-Lobbyist Appointees, Apple's iLobby and More in ... | 09 21:56
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Apple's Lobbying May Prove Deficient as Privacy Hearings Loom ... | 09 21:56
schestowitz!google apple lobbyistsMay 09 21:56
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Lobbying Spending Database - Apple Inc, 2010 | OpenSecrets | 09 21:56
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Apple secrecy is bitter fruit on Hill - | 09 21:56
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Apple hired lobbying firm in February | 09 21:56
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Mix: Apple lobbyists, NFL + iPad, NYT + iPhone, The Daily ... | 09 21:56
Ender_nothomethink of the southpark christopher reeves joke about him eating fetusesMay 09 21:56
Ender_nothomereplace reeves with jobsMay 09 21:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Ixonos Joins !Linux Foundation reported at marketwire 09 21:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] Looking forward to being @dotcarly's safety tonight when she spins fire poi for the first time. Well, also a little nervous. #crispyhippieMay 09 21:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Sony Ericsson posts details instructions for hacking their !Android phones by Kshitij Sobti 09 21:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Sony are either doing a volte face or they're sucking up - it's hard to tellMay 09 22:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Do You Want To Know A Secret? - "Superinjunctions...are about power and the proletariat"May 09 22:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Quickly switch searches with AwesomeBar HD 09 22:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Google Accused of using !Android Compatibility to Close Off Competition • by James DeRuvo 09 22:05
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schestowitzSCONY learns from Ericsson?May 09 22:06
schestowitzThis is so surrealMay 09 22:06
schestowitzGroklaw to have a break.May 09 22:06
schestowitzPermanentMay 09 22:06
schestowitzAfter running _nonstop_ since like foreverMay 09 22:06
schestowitzSince I was an undergraduateMay 09 22:06
schestowitzPJ didn't even go on holidayMay 09 22:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] We like busting prior restraints, but @superinjunction is a Scientific Journalism failure, hence Khan. Show us the docs.May 09 22:07
*schestowitz back to work, a tad sad..May 09 22:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Do you have any user numbers for !identicurse @psquid? It may be coincidence, but I'm seeing the tagline a lot more often latelyMay 09 22:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] French vulnerability research firm #VUPEN Cracks !Google Chrome Sandbox • by Larry Seltzer 09 22:15
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Ender_nothomeeeekMay 09 22:17
Ender_nothometime to run it in a vmMay 09 22:17
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schestowitzwe need DB backups of Groklaw, as zoobab once suggestedMay 09 22:24
schestowitzI don't remember the circumstancesMay 09 22:24
schestowitzI think it's when Groklaw takes long breaks that people worry about preservation of key matetialMay 09 22:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @Develop4AppUp: Join us for the FIRST French MeeGo Application Lab during Solutions Linux in Paris! The Lab is b... 09 22:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @jukkaeklund Calling all hard-core #MeeGo coders. Join us fixing them bugs for the #MeeGoConf #N900May 09 22:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @Develop4AppUp Interested in #MeeGo? Plan a trip to San Francisco and attend a free #Intel #AppUp Application Lab! 09 22:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Droid X Gingerbread update approved • by James DeRuvo | !Android Community 09 22:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana You don't have to. We can use SIP. I'm glad to work the details out with you ASAP. CC @methoddanMay 09 22:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Today seems to be give @fabsh a hard time day.May 09 22:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @glynmoody Library of Congress builds record collection of century - locked away by copyrightMay 09 22:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I had an awesome day hanging out with the Samba development team at #SambaXP. Such a great group of people! :)May 09 22:55
MinceRgnMay 09 22:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] !listening to The Offspring - AmericanaMay 09 22:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] RD @mattl Day Against DRM -- Dreaming of doomsday for DRM -- -- @joshuagay !dbd (@jrepin also quoted)May 09 23:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @copiesofcopies interesting, but wasn't Jim #Messina usually beardless?May 09 23:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I loved how @bkuhn was geniunely shocked when I showed him that I run Arch now. :)May 09 23:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] @fontana Not as long as he had Kenny with him.May 09 23:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] This made my day: Current print subscribers of the New Yorker can get digital versions on the iPad free! Even the back issues w/ their sub!May 09 23:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Average size of the New Yorker in digital format seems to be around 125 megabytes.May 09 23:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] Every time I tell Firefox "I understand the risks" I feel like I'm lying a little bit.May 09 23:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Just read a very !Disturbing text message that will force me to read email noMay 09 23:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Just read a very !disturbing text message that will force me to read email when I feel so fscking tired... :(May 09 23:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] John Terpstra is quite a character. And he's been to Gympie, which is a bonus. :) #SambaXPMay 09 23:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh what shocked @bkuhn the most? Overpowering curiosity (shame on me, I know)...May 09 23:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @gregkh Linux !kernel now released, please go update.May 09 23:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Join us at our future home for a Geek Gathering on 5/20 with Tunisian activist Sami Ben Gharbia (@ifikra) 09 23:47
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