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| schestowitz | not that I would try... | May 09 00:00 |
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| schestowitz | morbid songs | May 09 00:00 |
| icelogic_ | i think you mean alkselser in bread no? | May 09 00:00 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QEJ9HrZq7Ro&feature=related | May 09 00:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Tom Lehrer - Wernher von Braun - now on DVD .::. Size~: 116.03 KB | May 09 00:01 |
| cubezzz | tum tum tum tum TUMS! BOOM! | May 09 00:01 |
| Ziomatrix | icelogic_: yea, I you're right. Its been so long since I heard about killing pigeons | May 09 00:02 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm trying to get the input device set | May 09 00:03 |
| twitter1 | I don't think anything should try eating tums | May 09 00:03 |
| twitter1 | http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=swallow+alka+seltzer&aq=0&aqi=g7g-v1g-sv1g-v1&aql=&oq=swallow+al | May 09 00:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: swallow alka seltzer - Google Search .::. Size~: 86.96 KB | May 09 00:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @thp4: Today's hack: That Rabbit Game ported to #webOS: http://youtu.be/5YWSZCVY8Js / pure OpenGL ES 1.1 and SDL :) #trg | May 09 00:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Cluster bomb victim speaks out http://is.gd/nIZ3ph | May 09 00:06 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - That Rabbit Game webOS Port .::. Size~: 99.12 KB | May 09 00:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Afghan cluster bombs victim speaks out - Local News - News - General - The Canberra Times .::. Size~: 100.46 KB | May 09 00:06 |
| cubezzz | !google swallow alka selzer | May 09 00:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Why should no one ever attempt to swallow a fizzing antacid tablet ... | http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index%3Fqid%3D20100417130134AAYvqDg | May 09 00:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Google Answers: Alka-Seltzer makes Seagulls Explode? | http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview/id/217385.html | May 09 00:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - YouTube - Alka Seltzer swallowing | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DOyHD6npUx4s | May 09 00:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - The OFFICIAL Anti-Rave Site! : New Cocktails! | http://www.i-mockery.com/antirave/cocktails.php | May 09 00:07 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Just listening to !lo 205. !Unity did seem a lot more stable in the final version @methoddan but I still didn't really like it. All .. | May 09 00:10 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.goodbyemicrosoft.net/news.php?item.641.4 | May 09 00:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Goodbye, Microsoft®: Bravo, Barnes & Noble .::. Size~: 17.8 KB | May 09 00:13 |
| *msb_ (~msb@c-98-248-40-248.hsd1.ca.comcast.net) has joined #techrights | May 09 00:15 | |
| schestowitz | hi, msb_ | May 09 00:15 |
| msb_ | Hi Roy!!! | May 09 00:16 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Mark S Bilk here -- cosmicpenguin.com | May 09 00:16 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: A big fan of your former news service on c.o.l.a. It was the best thing on there! | May 09 00:16 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Er, you're not just a bot, are you? | May 09 00:18 |
| schestowitz | http://www.pcworld.com/article/227308/mozilla_refuses_to_help_censor_the_internet.html | May 09 00:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mozilla Refuses to Help Censor the Internet | PCWorld .::. Size~: 97.22 KB | May 09 00:20 |
| schestowitz | msb_: hi! | May 09 00:20 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, yes, I stopped in COLA last July | May 09 00:21 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Hey Roy! | May 09 00:21 |
| schestowitz | It was a lot of work bundling links | May 09 00:21 |
| schestowitz | I still post them daily in a site | May 09 00:21 |
| msb_ | I can imagine. But it was very good info! | May 09 00:21 |
| msb_ | in techrights.org? | May 09 00:22 |
| schestowitz | yes, let me get a link | May 09 00:23 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/category/news-roundup/ | May 09 00:23 |
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| schestowitz | over 1600 such posts so far | May 09 00:23 |
| schestowitz | We don't have a trolls problem | May 09 00:23 |
| msb_ | Excellent! | May 09 00:23 |
| schestowitz | And we're receptive to new ideas | May 09 00:23 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw shuts down next week | May 09 00:24 |
| msb_ | I think I've discovered something big -- Microsoft sabotaging Linux via KDE4. | May 09 00:24 |
| schestowitz | And we hpe to attract more followers | May 09 00:24 |
| schestowitz | msb_: via Nokia? | May 09 00:24 |
| msb_ | via Novell | May 09 00:24 |
| msb_ | Novell financed the development of KDE4. | May 09 00:25 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: I wonder if you can attract any writers from there too? | May 09 00:25 |
| schestowitz | msb_: part of it | May 09 00:25 |
| schestowitz | msb_: what did they do to kde4? | May 09 00:25 |
| schestowitz | start menu aside | May 09 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft probably has patents related to it | May 09 00:26 |
| schestowitz | SLAB is Novell's (2005 or 06) | May 09 00:26 |
| msb_ | The fundamental design philosophy of KDE4 was determined by focus groups populated by people off the street -- basically naive ms-windows users. | May 09 00:26 |
| schestowitz | like the registry? | May 09 00:26 |
| schestowitz | kde4 is more modualr than winodw | May 09 00:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Here's the thing: Windows 7, MacOSX Leopard, Gnome 3, KDE 4, Unity; I don' t like any of these Desktops, so I guess it must be my fault? | May 09 00:26 | |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: ironic as MS is known for their groundbreaking court case that stated you cannot make patents or sue based on the look and feel of software | May 09 00:26 |
| schestowitz | *windows | May 09 00:26 |
| msb_ | The result was, KDE4 emphasizes a very complex system of color themes, and de-emphasizes things needed by power users. | May 09 00:27 |
| cubezzz | msb_, I still ue KDE 3.5.10 | May 09 00:27 |
| cubezzz | use | May 09 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: Microsoft has an OS called Windows, so any program with windows in it must eb a ripoffs of Microsoft's great work /sarcasm | May 09 00:27 |
| msb_ | I'm using KDE3 also. | May 09 00:27 |
| cubezzz | which distro? | May 09 00:27 |
| schestowitz | *be *ripoff | May 09 00:27 |
| msb_ | I use 20 desktops, organized for tasks like Mail, Music, TV, NZB, etc. | May 09 00:28 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: the thing is though many posters of Groklaw are John Does. | May 09 00:28 |
| cubezzz | ok, but which distro with KDE 3+? | May 09 00:28 |
| msb_ | er, OpenSuse | May 09 00:28 |
| cubezzz | I keep a list of them... ah ok | May 09 00:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @mairin 20-something news reporter hanging around teenagers suspect enough; then you find out they are mutant turtles and it gets ver ... | May 09 00:28 | |
| schestowitz | msb_: what's missing in kde 4.6 which was in kde 3.5.x? | May 09 00:28 |
| cubezzz | speed :) | May 09 00:28 |
| msb_ | A desktop-pager (switcher) in which the desktop names are _readable_!!! | May 09 00:28 |
| schestowitz | they've sort of backported almost everything | May 09 00:28 |
| schestowitz | in some ways on my hardware kde feels faster than kde 3 on mancdriva 2008.1 | May 09 00:29 |
| cubezzz | right, but try KDE 4+ on older hardware and you'll see the slowness | May 09 00:29 |
| cubezzz | and on low memory machines, forget KDE altogether | May 09 00:30 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: hence XFCE | May 09 00:30 |
| msb_ | The buttons in the desktop-pager applet of KDE4 have dark text against dark backgrounds, and each button has multiple dark rectangles in it representing the shapes of the windows in that desktop. | May 09 00:30 |
| cubezzz | sure, lots of good DE's Ziomatrix | May 09 00:30 |
| msb_ | So the names of the desktops in the desktop-pager are utterly unreadable. This cripples KDE4 for power users. | May 09 00:31 |
| schestowitz | http://www.mercurynews.com/mike-cassidy/ci_18000876?source=rss&nclick_check=1 | May 09 00:31 |
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| schestowitz | msb_: change theme | May 09 00:32 |
| schestowitz | oxygen is good but there are bette | May 09 00:32 |
| msb_ | Also, all the BS about plasma, plasmoids, plasma-desktop etc. And weird ways to alter settings of things instead of the classic right-click. | May 09 00:32 |
| schestowitz | I like plasma | May 09 00:32 |
| schestowitz | It's polished since 4.4 | May 09 00:33 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: I tried lots of themes, helped by various opensuse people. We couldn't find one with a readable desktop-pager. | May 09 00:33 |
| schestowitz | shows me many meters and fun stuff with folderview (excellent innovation) | May 09 00:33 |
| schestowitz | pagers in kde3 were better | May 09 00:33 |
| schestowitz | notably kpager | May 09 00:33 |
| schestowitz | in kde4 it's tricky | May 09 00:33 |
| schestowitz | So I use scale plugin and other 3d stuff | May 09 00:34 |
| msb_ | Also, KDE4 insists on the phonon audio system, which doesn't work with my few years old Asus mobo. | May 09 00:34 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2011/04/23/effects-in-kde4/ | May 09 00:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » KWin Wall on Dual-Head Displays .::. Size~: 34.27 KB | May 09 00:34 |
| schestowitz | 3d is very fast in kde4 | May 09 00:34 |
| msb_ | So I'm using KDE3 and good old ALSA. | May 09 00:34 |
| schestowitz | kde3 with compiz sucks in comparison | May 09 00:34 |
| schestowitz | without 3d kde4 is slow | May 09 00:35 |
| schestowitz | windows re-rendered | May 09 00:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Upside down Beagle :) He looks like he was poured onto the couch. | May 09 00:35 | |
| msb_ | I never use compiz or desktop-effects. Wibble-wobble windows make me nauseous. | May 09 00:35 |
| schestowitz | sound in kde3 with pulseaudio sometimes gave me trouble | May 09 00:35 |
| cubezzz | same here | May 09 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Now its perfect | May 09 00:35 |
| cubezzz | re: compiz | May 09 00:35 |
| schestowitz | in mandriva I had to retsrt kde soemtimes due to audio issues | May 09 00:36 |
| msb_ | pulseaudio didn't work for me either, as of a couple months ago. | May 09 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Now I never restart kde | May 09 00:36 |
| schestowitz | I last restarted kde in March 29th | May 09 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Still running the same kde session | May 09 00:36 |
| schestowitz | msb_: go get fedora 15 kde spin | May 09 00:36 |
| msb_ | I use some kde4 apps, which have been improved -- konsole, klipper, the system-monitor | May 09 00:36 |
| schestowitz | maybe it's time to upgrade | May 09 00:37 |
| schestowitz | klipper improved? | May 09 00:37 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: what is kde spin? | May 09 00:37 |
| schestowitz | IIRC kde3 still had search as you type | May 09 00:37 |
| schestowitz | and system-monitor is just looking better now | May 09 00:37 |
| schestowitz | !google fedora 15 kde spin | May 09 00:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - [Fedora-spins] [spin-kickstarts] fedora-live-kde.ks (2G): Add ... | http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/spins/2011-March/001807.html | May 09 00:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Features/KDE46 - FedoraProject | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Features/KDE46 | May 09 00:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - YouTube - Fedora 14 (Laughlin) Final Release Screencast (KDE Spin) | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DsINshT2pP2k | May 09 00:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Fedora Spin: KDE Desktop – Jeff Duntemann's Contrapositive Diary | http://www.contrapositivediary.com/%3Fp%3D1749 | May 09 00:37 |
| schestowitz | kde4 does fast transluency http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/wp-content/uploads/2011/04/pca-modes.png | May 09 00:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/png type | May 09 00:38 |
| msb_ | It's very important to me to load the mouse clipboard with text. I used to do that with the xselection program, which no longer works. Now I can do it with a qdbus call to kde4 klipper. | May 09 00:39 |
| cubezzz | well I want trans-operating system network clipboard :) | May 09 00:39 |
| cubezzz | which I do with text files | May 09 00:39 |
| msb_ | I have a very simple but powerful script that loads the clipboard with the full pathname of a file in the current directory. This takes only a couple of keystrokes in the mc filemanager. | May 09 00:40 |
| msb_ | One can then go to any other directory and cp or mv that file. Text-mode drag and drop! | May 09 00:41 |
| msb_ | Very convenient and powerful! | May 09 00:41 |
| msb_ | In my various desktops I have lots of konsoles with mc running in them focused on various relevant directories for the work I do in each desktop. | May 09 00:43 |
| cubezzz | yeah konsole is good | May 09 00:46 |
| cubezzz | have ssh sessions with konsole tabs with a different colour for each machine | May 09 00:46 |
| msb_ | cubezzz: Nice! | May 09 00:46 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | May 09 00:46 |
| cubezzz | but I have to consider other operating systems as well | May 09 00:47 |
| schestowitz | [00:41] <msb_> One can then go to any other directory and cp or mv that file. Text-mode drag and drop! | May 09 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Sounds handy | May 09 00:47 |
| cubezzz | which do not have konsole or even ssh | May 09 00:47 |
| schestowitz | I try to get used to fish:// | May 09 00:47 |
| schestowitz | Too much CLIing is not good | May 09 00:48 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Yes, I use it many times a day. | May 09 00:48 |
| schestowitz | esp. when you wan to toggle prticular files to delete from a list | May 09 00:48 |
| schestowitz | CLI is very bad if there's no wildcard for it | May 09 00:48 |
| cubezzz | you can do that | May 09 00:48 |
| schestowitz | complemetary | May 09 00:48 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Correct. Fortunately there's no such thing as too much CLIing! | May 09 00:48 |
| cubezzz | I better get some exercise soon | May 09 00:49 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: well, can double click filenames, then middle button | May 09 00:49 |
| cubezzz | back in 1/2 hour | May 09 00:49 |
| schestowitz | to make the list of files to deal with. | May 09 00:49 |
| schestowitz | kde4 has a nicer item | May 09 00:49 |
| schestowitz | where you tick for selection | May 09 00:49 |
| schestowitz | rather than ctrl+shifting stuff | May 09 00:49 |
| schestowitz | so you don't easily lose selection (cannot be undone) | May 09 00:49 |
| msb_ | I just use the mc filemanager. It's very versatile. | May 09 00:49 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, rm !(test) | May 09 00:49 |
| schestowitz | i used norton commander | May 09 00:50 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | May 09 00:50 |
| schestowitz | but stopped aound win95 | May 09 00:50 |
| schestowitz | when they tried making it graphical | May 09 00:50 |
| cubezzz | shopt -s extglob | May 09 00:50 |
| cubezzz | anyways, back later | May 09 00:50 |
| schestowitz | I just use two konq windows | May 09 00:50 |
| msb_ | I used to use XTREE in DOS. Took it with me on a floppy wherever I went. | May 09 00:50 |
| schestowitz | my desktop is huge, I can do more than two side, but nom tabbing to shift windows | May 09 00:50 |
| cubezzz | btw the PC floppy controller sucks | May 09 00:51 |
| schestowitz | can alt+tab for same desktop | May 09 00:51 |
| cubezzz | ok, now I'm gone for sure :) | May 09 00:51 |
| schestowitz | heh | May 09 00:51 |
| msb_ | See ya cubezzz! | May 09 00:51 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz has to go to... | May 09 00:51 |
| schestowitz | Well.. | May 09 00:51 |
| schestowitz | he has to go | May 09 00:51 |
| schestowitz | :-) | May 09 00:51 |
| msb_ | I used to have dozens of great free DOS utilities in categories. I carried them around on floppies too when I went consulting. | May 09 00:54 |
| msb_ | Now Linux has everything like that. | May 09 00:54 |
| schestowitz | I still have some in ~/main/programs/something.. | May 09 00:54 |
| msb_ | The modular software erector set. | May 09 00:54 |
| schestowitz | I nevr use them, but they are small files | May 09 00:54 |
| schestowitz | ARJ.exe :-) | May 09 00:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/spin/2011/05/10697/faster-speeding-mainstream-media | May 09 00:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Faster Than a Speeding Mainstream Media | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 46.26 KB | May 09 00:55 |
| schestowitz | now they need a new boogeyman | May 09 00:56 |
| msb_ | Yah. I have a copy of my old huge 500MB DOS disk. Now smaller than a single movie. | May 09 00:56 |
| schestowitz | They still have Libya | May 09 00:56 |
| schestowitz | After they failed | May 09 00:56 |
| schestowitz | NATO bombed a bunch of kids | May 09 00:56 |
| msb_ | You know that Osama died in 2001, right? | May 09 00:56 |
| schestowitz | So they needed to bury the news with Osama hunting | May 09 00:56 |
| schestowitz | msb_: maybe | May 09 00:57 |
| schestowitz | I didn't see the claims of the body being fake | May 09 00:57 |
| msb_ | Pakistani newspapers said so -- complications of Marfan's Syndrome. | May 09 00:57 |
| msb_ | Madeline Albright -- Clinton's Secy of State -- said so a couple of years later. | May 09 00:57 |
| msb_ | The US govt put out at least two faked videos of OBL. One was a video of him talking at a wedding, but the sound -- threats of evil -- didn't match his lip movements. | May 09 00:58 |
| msb_ | Another used a guy who didn't look anything like him, but the lips matched the threats. | May 09 00:59 |
| msb_ | These were supposedly found in caves by our noble troops (i.e., invaders who murdered 1,000,000 people in this round alone). | May 09 01:00 |
| msb_ | If you think the planes that flew into the World Trade Center is what caused them to collapse, please read the 911 section in cosmicpenguin.com. | May 09 01:01 |
| msb_ | It was implanted explosives above-ground and thermite below. | May 09 01:02 |
| msb_ | We are living in The Matrix. | May 09 01:03 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: Don't blame the latest NATO efforts in Libya on US, you got Nicloean Sarkozy for that. | May 09 01:04 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good evening !Identiverse | May 09 01:05 | |
| msb_ | Wasn't Sarkozy known as an outright Fascist some years ago? | May 09 01:05 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | May 09 01:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Heh. Rose is telling Ian he needs to wash his face, as only Rose can. She's trying to lick his face clean :) | May 09 01:06 | |
| Ender2070 | Qaddafi funded him too | May 09 01:06 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: I don't know about fascist but he is one of the most right wing presidents elected in France since De Gaule. | May 09 01:07 |
| msb_ | Qaddafi funded Sarkozy??? | May 09 01:07 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: actually I can't say for sure Charles De Gaule was technically ellected | May 09 01:07 |
| Ziomatrix | Ender2070: its one of the East meets West love hate relationships like what Bush Sr had with Saddam | May 09 01:08 |
| Ziomatrix | Ender2070: I thought the current Italian premier has closer relations to Quadaffi and his family though | May 09 01:09 |
| Ziomatrix | Ender2070: his party proclaims to be outright fascist. | May 09 01:10 |
| Ziomatrix | btw, has anyone here tried WINE to run games? | May 09 01:11 |
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| msb_ | I was going to say, how can France and Italy go Fascist? But the U.S. has, so... | May 09 01:11 |
| msb_ | I ran utorrent with it once. | May 09 01:12 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: US suffers from acute cronism, I wouldn't call it fascist yet or else there would be no need for corporations to pay off politicians and lobby for the best descisions in court to begin with. | May 09 01:12 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: is there traces of imperialsm within American foriegn policy when it comes to support what politicians look at as large domestic business abroad, certainly. But that kind of activity has gone on in almost any powerful nations with a strong private economy. | May 09 01:13 |
| msb_ | Ziomatrix: It's much more than traces in this nation that claims to be the center of democracy of the World. Please look at the linked sites here: http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_Holocaust | May 09 01:15 |
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| msb_ | That's just post WWII. Then there's the fact that 75% of Hitler's financing for his military buildup came from wealthy businessmen in the U.S. | May 09 01:18 |
| schestowitz | msb_: some of those claims are exaggerated by the likes of the Evangelicals | May 09 01:19 |
| schestowitz | They are exploiting people's unrest to fight the class war | May 09 01:19 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: if you think the US is fascist then we have been so since the days of John D Rockafeller. The US utilizes the assets of large business when it comes to helping fund and even commit to foriegn as well as domestic policy when it saw fit. Once big business served its purpose officials were ellected and were able to carry out laws to break them up. It happened with standard oil, AT&T and it will probably bite Microsoft | May 09 01:19 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: can we go back to chatting about Linux now? | May 09 01:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @tiffanyreisz I want to wish a very special Happy Mother's Day to all moms of gay & transgender kids who support their kids 100% | May 09 01:20 | |
| schestowitz | I will post some Daily Links later | May 09 01:20 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/news/2011/05/10712/big-bank-backlash-coast-coast-people-are-moving-their-money | May 09 01:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Big Bank Backlash: From Coast to Coast People are Moving their Money | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 54.02 KB | May 09 01:20 |
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| Ziomatrix | msb_: IBM and others saw Hitler as a big customer. Just as Ford and GM were bidding to get the Empire of Japan to purchase their trucks as they saw they needed plenty to occupy China before Pearl Harbor. | May 09 01:21 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prwatch.org/spin/2011/05/10721/tobacco-companies-secretly-added-appetite-suppressants-cigarettes | May 09 01:22 |
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| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: that was before the war | May 09 01:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] RT @q4td “Your mobile phone has more computing power than all of NASA in 1969. NASA launched a man to the moon. We launch a bird into pi ... | May 09 01:23 | |
| msb_ | Mainly these US businessmen wanted to kill off socialism, social democracy, trade-unionism, and just plain democracy wherever they could in the world, so they could go in, take the natural resources, and use the population as slave labor, paying them very little. The fascist puppet dictators they set up in those countries would simply kill any workers who tried to organize. | May 09 01:23 |
| schestowitz | Based on what they knew at the time they did not help an enemy | May 09 01:23 |
| schestowitz | Same with the Bushes selling weapons | May 09 01:24 |
| schestowitz | and IBM's 'people-counting' machines | May 09 01:24 |
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| schestowitz | Goebbel even had chats with the US president/s IIRC | May 09 01:24 |
| schestowitz | That was before the war though | May 09 01:25 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: mind you the first automobile plant in China was built in 1913 by Ford thanks to the RoC opening up the doors to US companies in light of their support. | May 09 01:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Congress Bans Scientific Collaboration with China, Cites High Espionage Risks http://ur1.ca/44a25 !science | May 09 01:25 | |
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| msb_ | Socialism, social democracy, trade-unionism, and democracy were their enemies. And so they directed Hitler to attack those who organized these movements. | May 09 01:25 |
| schestowitz | the US also sold weapons to countries it later attacked (Iraq for example) | May 09 01:25 |
| schestowitz | Or to Osama's men when they fought the Soviets | May 09 01:25 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Absolutely! | May 09 01:26 |
| msb_ | The US fomented the Iran-Iraq war. | May 09 01:26 |
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| msb_ | Also, GHW Bush actually asked Saddam to attack Kuwait to get it to stop selling so much oil which was depressing the price. | May 09 01:27 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: Osama Bin Laden was a notable person among the Mujahadeen for his procurment, intelligence and other skills, but he wasn't the only leader. | May 09 01:27 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: the whole civil war after that resulted in the Taliban taking over was a result in the fact that there was no unity once the Soviets were gone. | May 09 01:28 |
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| schestowitz | [01:27] <msb_> Also, GHW Bush actually asked Saddam to attack Kuwait to get it to stop selling so much oil which was depressing the price. | May 09 01:29 |
| schestowitz | no | May 09 01:29 |
| schestowitz | they gave im permission maybe | May 09 01:29 |
| schestowitz | based on wikileaks | May 09 01:29 |
| schestowitz | but not asked him to | May 09 01:29 |
| msb_ | So a nation that had a decent secular government with full rights for women was replaced with one in which the women are forced to wear burqas and have no rights. | May 09 01:29 |
| schestowitz | so now GI Joes will come in parachutes | May 09 01:30 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: I think most Americans at that point wanted oil prices to go down. It was a matter of a power play in OPEC among the Sheiks and Baathists or Arab Nationalists. The US made their choice clear whose side we're on once a close ally of Saudi Arabia was invaded. | May 09 01:30 |
| schestowitz | To save human rights | May 09 01:30 |
| schestowitz | !google time cover aisha nose proapganda | May 09 01:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | No Google results | May 09 01:30 |
| schestowitz | !google time cover aisha nose propganda | May 09 01:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Afghan girl on Time cover a propaganda: Taliban | http://www.ndtv.com/article/world/afghan-girl-on-time-cover-a-propaganda-taliban-43297 | May 09 01:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - AFP: Taliban dismiss Time cover as 'desperate propaganda' | http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5hVyU2pZmx-oNvP0P3My43OZkMDjw | May 09 01:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Taliban dismiss Time cover as 'desperate propaganda' | http://www.ascertainthetruth.com/att/index.php%3Foption%3Dcom_content%26view%3Darticle%26id%3D312:taliban-dismiss-time-cover-as-desperate-propaganda%26catid%3D56:international-war-on-terror%26Itemid%3D109 | May 09 01:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Bibi Aisha, victim of the Taliban's political strategy | World ... | http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/05/bibi-aisha-afghanistan-disfigured-taliban | May 09 01:30 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: thats how we roll when our number one supplier and buyer in the ME happens to be one of the most oppressive government in the world. | May 09 01:31 |
| msb_ | Ziomatrix: Yup. | May 09 01:32 |
| msb_ | And Israel ain't much better. | May 09 01:32 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: I would consider it more to be the affects of the politics of a violtile region. You honestly think Saddam's rule over Iraq was all peaches and cream? | May 09 01:33 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: considering that Israel inheritted a hostile populace from Egypt and Jordan after 1967 who's refugees could not go anywhere because surrounding countries' regimes refused to take them didn't help. | May 09 01:34 |
| msb_ | Ziomatrix: Not at all. The US got rid of the democratic leader in Iraq and installed Saddam, a known torturer. | May 09 01:34 |
| msb_ | Ziomatrix: The Zionists had no right whatsoever to invade Palestine in 1948, and murder many thousands of Palestinians in that initial invasion alone. | May 09 01:36 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: lol the last guy before Saddam wasn't put in democratically, he killed the last man who helped murder a King who had some Imam blood in him but was still a British puppet. | May 09 01:36 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: don't tell me Iraq was ever democratic | May 09 01:36 |
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| msb_ | Bush asked Saddam to invade Kuwait: http://groups.google.com/group/alt.politics.usa.republican/msg/ad3b0528443f06d3 | May 09 01:39 |
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| Ziomatrix | msb_: Zionists have been in Palestine since before 1948 and Jews even longer. Perhaps you should ask why the oldest Jewish communities in the old city and Hebron were driven out prior? | May 09 01:39 |
| msb_ | Jews lived peacefully in Palestine before the Zionist invasion. | May 09 01:40 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: I guess the Jewish communities that settled in Mesopotamia since the times of Babylon were "invaders" too? | May 09 01:41 |
| msb_ | When the Palestinians found out that the Zionists were secretly buy up land from the Ottomans who had no right to claim it, some protests resulted. | May 09 01:41 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: Then why did the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem want to break that? | May 09 01:42 |
| msb_ | The original biblical migration of the Jews into Palestine, involving the slaughter of the Canaanites (IIRC) was an invasion. | May 09 01:42 |
| msb_ | Ziomatrix: Wanted to break what? | May 09 01:43 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: why were there Arab riots in Hebron and other places. What did the kibbutzes in Judea and Samaria do to deserve to be driven by Fedayeen in 1948? | May 09 01:43 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: The Grand Mufti of Jerusalem went to Nazi Germany in an attempt to procure arms with a dual purpose of helping arm Arab Nationalists against the British and also stated he wanted to wipe out all Jews within the Middle East. | May 09 01:44 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: Was there a UN and Human Rights Commission during those times? ie biblical? | May 09 01:45 |
| msb_ | Ziomatrix: By that time the Palestinians were aware that the Zionists were secretly buying up land in Palestine, and presumably knew this was the precursor of an armed invasion. | May 09 01:46 |
| msb_ | Ziomatrix: No, there wasn't. Does that make a genocidal invasion moral? | May 09 01:46 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: I guess the first Pharaoh who united Egypt must have done so in a truly humanitarian way. That Hamarabi code is something to marvel at too. | May 09 01:46 |
| msb_ | Ziomatrix: I guess I should ask: What does the "Zio" in Ziomatrix signify? | May 09 01:47 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: secretly? Many Zionists bought land to put up kibbutzes, farming communities. I don't think Tel Aviv was such a secret city. | May 09 01:47 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zion | May 09 01:48 |
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| msb_ | Ziomatrix: In any case, the 1948 invasion was totally evil. As was the subsequent and ongoing persecution of the Palestinians. | May 09 01:49 |
| schestowitz | there was no "invasion" | May 09 01:49 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_ and http://www.thefreedictionary.com/matrix: I just figure by removing the "n" it makes it sound catchier, its just a username. | May 09 01:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 200 OK | May 09 01:49 |
| schestowitz | Look into Balfour | May 09 01:49 |
| schestowitz | I don't know where you get your history facts | May 09 01:49 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: the most erronious definition of what transpired in 1948 would be sectarian violence. | May 09 01:50 |
| schestowitz | An invasion suggest suddently in one year it was like the European taking over First People | May 09 01:50 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Neither England nor the UN had any right to give any part of Palestine to anyone else. | May 09 01:50 |
| schestowitz | Right | May 09 01:50 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: who else could have, the long gone Ottoman Empire? | May 09 01:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Incredibly humid in #Boston. Going for a relaxing pint. | May 09 01:51 | |
| msb_ | All of Palestine belonged to the Palestinians, and still does. No one had the right to give any of it to the Zionists. | May 09 01:52 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: its interesting that who ever thought up the migration of Turks from Greece to Turkey and visa versa with the Greeks got the Noble Peace Prize even though today it would be considered ethnic cleansing. | May 09 01:52 |
| msb_ | So Balfour is irrelevant. | May 09 01:52 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: so it belongs to who ever was a Palestinian Jew too? | May 09 01:53 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: because that is what Zionists were pre-1948 | May 09 01:53 |
| msb_ | Yes, the Palestinian Jews who lived there peacefully before the Zionist invasion had the right to stay there. | May 09 01:54 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: ok, tell me where did this Zionist invasion come from? | May 09 01:54 |
| msb_ | No, the Zionists had planned from the beginning to expel or exterminate the Palestinians. | May 09 01:54 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: even those who did were living in what was considered the mandate of Palestine, thus were Palestinians as their Arab enemies. Where is the invasion? | May 09 01:55 |
| msb_ | Here's a good history of Zionism, written by a Jew: http://takingaimradio.com/hhz/index.htm | May 09 01:55 |
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| Ziomatrix | msb_: I just want to ask where was the invasion? | May 09 01:56 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: as in where did it come from? | May 09 01:56 |
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| msb_ | Ziomatrix: The Arab Palestinians, and a few Jews, were living there for at least 1,000 years. It was their country. Any "Mandate" was morally irrelevant. | May 09 01:57 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: so then according to you where did this "Zionist invasion" come from and when? | May 09 01:58 |
| msb_ | Ziomatrix: I'm looking it up. | May 09 01:59 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: I don't know enough about that | May 09 02:00 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: didn't we know for some time there were Mono boosters in Canonical? http://bit.ly/mTUUXA | May 09 02:00 |
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| schestowitz | [01:52] <msb_> All of Palestine belonged to the Palestinians, and still does. | May 09 02:01 |
| schestowitz | You conflate Palestinian with Arabs, I think | May 09 02:01 |
| schestowitz | Palestine is a land, not ethnicity | May 09 02:01 |
| msb_ | It was and is a country. It had people living in it for centuries. It belonged to those people. | May 09 02:02 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: indeed and he conflates Zionists with Jewish refugees from Europe. | May 09 02:02 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: yes, they try to use Ubuntu as a carrier | May 09 02:02 |
| schestowitz | Debian too | May 09 02:02 |
| schestowitz | msb_: my understanding is that it was always a mixes Semite region | May 09 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Where genetically there was also a relation | May 09 02:03 |
| schestowitz | Bar migrations fromm Europe | May 09 02:03 |
| schestowitz | These were increased after WW2 and just before that | May 09 02:04 |
| schestowitz | what you do here is several things, I guess | May 09 02:04 |
| schestowitz | Assume that there was a one-year surge | May 09 02:04 |
| schestowitz | Deny refuge to those who were hounded | May 09 02:04 |
| schestowitz | Mind you: | May 09 02:04 |
| msb_ | Looks like the invasion was non-military originally, until enough Zionists were present. Here's a good place to start, along with the chapters following: http://takingaimradio.com/hhz/ch03.htm | May 09 02:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ralph Schoenman: The Hidden History of Zionism - Chapter 3: Colonizing Palestine .::. Size~: 11.11 KB | May 09 02:04 |
| schestowitz | I agree with you re Balfour | May 09 02:04 |
| schestowitz | But you might not know that even a nation like Israel is about 25% Arab | May 09 02:05 |
| schestowitz | And people there speak Arabic as 2nd lang | May 09 02:05 |
| schestowitz | The 1967 border thing is another issue | May 09 02:05 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: the key problem with your logic is that if you considered Jewish refugees who simply wanted nothing more to do is leave from where their families and close relatives were killed behind for a better life in their opinion as invaders. Then what makes today's Palestinian refugees any less hostile? | May 09 02:05 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: you have to be careful when making broad gernalizations and stereotypes. | May 09 02:06 |
| cubezzz | the one thing we always agree on... is that Microsoft sux | May 09 02:06 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | May 09 02:06 |
| msb_ | Yes, and I think about 1.5 years ago the Israeli govt was bombarding the Palestinians they had crowded into the Gaza Strip with white phosphorus and other horrible weapons, killing 1,500 people, half of them children. | May 09 02:07 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: heh | May 09 02:07 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: indeed, you can't refute their dirty policies unless you have interest in their profit. And even in that case they end up losing more then they make for the sake of dominating marketshare. | May 09 02:07 |
| schestowitz | there's a crazy govt. there | May 09 02:07 |
| schestowitz | No left left :-) | May 09 02:07 |
| schestowitz | Just right wing zealots and religious extremists or centrists, who are weak. In a way, it's the same as the US situation.. | May 09 02:08 |
| schestowitz | Obama the "left" is bombing more than Bush, some say... | May 09 02:08 |
| cubezzz | I wouldn't say Obama is left | May 09 02:08 |
| schestowitz | Taking pride in killing a defenceless thug | May 09 02:08 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: exactly | May 09 02:09 |
| cubezzz | centralist maybe | May 09 02:09 |
| schestowitz | But in the US they are considered left (the Democrats) | May 09 02:09 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: well Labor is down but not out. They got former Defence Minister Gabi Ashkenazi as their charlatan. | May 09 02:09 |
| schestowitz | Ask liberals why they vote for him and they might mumble about "lost vote" | May 09 02:09 |
| schestowitz | Which means they don't really want "change" (not one we can believe in ;-) ) | May 09 02:09 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: don't know about that... poltiics in general | May 09 02:10 |
| schestowitz | I know British EU and US politics better | May 09 02:10 |
| schestowitz | But the impression I get is that the ME is now filled with zealots inn parties | May 09 02:10 |
| schestowitz | Based and hinged on religion and idealogy | May 09 02:10 |
| schestowitz | They need to recognise similarities | May 09 02:11 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: like I said its very muttled and in most cases politicians there make discision based more on the pragmatism of the moment then their political line. | May 09 02:11 |
| schestowitz | And bury these genocidal 'scriptures' of theirs | May 09 02:11 |
| cubezzz | tech issues seem simple by comparison to politics | May 09 02:11 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: its a Parliamentary system you know ;-) | May 09 02:11 |
| schestowitz | Maybe then they'll start using their brains and not prejudices | May 09 02:11 |
| schestowitz | So is Iran, no? | May 09 02:11 |
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| schestowitz | It doesn't mean it functions well | May 09 02:12 |
| JordiGH | schestowitz: Hey, Quad said you were interested in Octave. | May 09 02:12 |
| msb_ | The Zionists lobbied the US and England during WWII _not_ to accept Jewish refugees from Europe: http://takingaimradio.com/hhz/ch06.htm | May 09 02:12 |
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| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: well that goes for both sides, perhaps the fact that Hamas is finally reconsiling with Fatah means that they'll finally be a united Palestinian government to negotiate with. | May 09 02:12 |
| schestowitz | In the US the senate is 'run' by lobbyists of banks and other large fronts for the wealth of the nation (rich people) | May 09 02:12 |
| JordiGH | Oh, you guys are busy. | May 09 02:12 |
| *JordiGH waits his turn. | May 09 02:12 | |
| schestowitz | JordiGH: yes, octave is good | May 09 02:12 |
| schestowitz | But lacks a few features I need at the moment | May 09 02:13 |
| schestowitz | like PCA | May 09 02:13 |
| JordiGH | Someone was asking about that, actually. | May 09 02:13 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: thankfully many nations in the world embrace secularism | May 09 02:13 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: I wouldn't consider British Parliament so clean either. | May 09 02:13 |
| schestowitz | It's usually immigration that drives in superstition again | May 09 02:13 |
| cubezzz | separation of church and state is important | May 09 02:13 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: it's not | May 09 02:14 |
| schestowitz | not just church :-) | May 09 02:14 |
| JordiGH | schestowitz: I'd like to implement those missing features. | May 09 02:14 |
| schestowitz | Mosque too | May 09 02:14 |
| cubezzz | just like separation of education from microsoft is :) | May 09 02:14 |
| schestowitz | heh | May 09 02:14 |
| schestowitz | True | May 09 02:14 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is like a religion | May 09 02:14 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: Israel is basically secular, except for when it comes to Jewish marriages and family planning, in that regard a clique of rabbis run it with an iron fist. If an Israeli Jew wants to marry a non-Jew they would have to marry in Cyprus and have it considered as a "civil union" in Israel. | May 09 02:14 |
| schestowitz | defrag is a ritual | May 09 02:14 |
| JordiGH | schestowitz: Is it a matter of implementing missing Matlab functions? | May 09 02:14 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: at least Israel is one of the few countries in ME whose societies are largely tolderant to homosexuals. | May 09 02:15 |
| cubezzz | lol defrag | May 09 02:15 |
| JordiGH | lol | May 09 02:15 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: that's nonsense | May 09 02:15 |
| schestowitz | It's a religious country like the US | May 09 02:15 |
| schestowitz | With probably vast majority of people believing in sky daddies | May 09 02:15 |
| cubezzz | the defragists are attacking our hard drives! | May 09 02:15 |
| schestowitz | JordiGH: yes | May 09 02:15 |
| JordiGH | schestowitz: Which ones? | May 09 02:16 |
| schestowitz | stats toolbox | May 09 02:16 |
| *JordiGH will take a look. | May 09 02:16 | |
| cubezzz | just look at Yugoslavia and Ireland | May 09 02:16 |
| JordiGH | PCA shouldn't be too hard, I don't think? | May 09 02:16 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: well thats one of the outcomes of what starts out democratically endorsed law. Is anyone going to complain if the new republics of Tunisia and Egypt are still going to consider Islam their state religion? | May 09 02:16 |
| cubezzz | they got broken up | May 09 02:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @fontana Depending on what you use the computer for it might be of use; when writing original words having the computer anticopate is #fail | May 09 02:16 | |
| JordiGH | The hard work with svd was long ago implemented. | May 09 02:16 |
| msb_ | To me, except for some good teachings of Jesus, Judaism, Christianity and Islam are all the same religion -- the JCI religion. A murderous, vindictive male god in the sky who demands that people worship him, and that they murder anyone who won't worship him. | May 09 02:17 |
| cubezzz | sounds like Gates | May 09 02:17 |
| cubezzz | except he just wants your money | May 09 02:17 |
| cubezzz | pay forever | May 09 02:18 |
| JordiGH | Thor's kinda cool, though. | May 09 02:18 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: isn't that what communion is for in churches? | May 09 02:18 |
| cubezzz | Ziomatrix, it's similar in some ways, yes | May 09 02:18 |
| msb_ | Actually there's a great movie called Antitrust about a thinly-disguised Microsoft. | May 09 02:18 |
| schestowitz | [02:18] <JordiGH> Thor's kinda cool, though. | May 09 02:19 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: thats a good and dare I say quite funny movie, in a dark, parody kind of way | May 09 02:19 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | May 09 02:19 |
| schestowitz | They wield cool weapons, like x-men... | May 09 02:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] I challenge you to identify a single film that would not be improved by the appearance of time-traveling dwarfs. #timebandits | May 09 02:20 | |
| JordiGH | Thor isn't an x-man! | May 09 02:20 |
| cubezzz | msb_, except in the 10 commandments it _does_ say "Thou Shalt Not Kill" | May 09 02:20 |
| JordiGH | He's like... a god... but human... like Jesus... but with a hammer and a daddy complex. | May 09 02:20 |
| schestowitz | thank goodness for the commandments | May 09 02:20 |
| schestowitz | Without which people just went around slaughtering people | May 09 02:20 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: its "Thou Shalt Not Kill, in cold blood" basically. | May 09 02:20 |
| schestowitz | And engages in cannibalism :-) | May 09 02:20 |
| schestowitz | *ged | May 09 02:20 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: if the man or woman is an adulterer, stone em! ;-) | May 09 02:21 |
| schestowitz | The first three are all about serving invisible men and charlatans in 'famous' building | May 09 02:21 |
| cubezzz | yeah well, that part gets glossed over :) | May 09 02:21 |
| schestowitz | "First, my son, gimme all your money" | May 09 02:21 |
| schestowitz | Then.. | May 09 02:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @fontana so you only "used to love LaTeX" ? Why past tense? | May 09 02:21 | |
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| schestowitz | "Don't kill or steal from my other clients | May 09 02:22 |
| cubezzz | well to be fair, FSF asks for money too | May 09 02:22 |
| cubezzz | but Microsoft just takes it without asking | May 09 02:22 |
| schestowitz | church of emacs | May 09 02:22 |
| JordiGH | Oh, hey, that bot is doing identi.ca | May 09 02:22 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, with Dell as the clergyman | May 09 02:22 |
| *JordiGH subscribes | May 09 02:22 | |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: MS doesn't just take it, they shalt command it! >:-D | May 09 02:22 |
| schestowitz | JordiGH: you're on identica? | May 09 02:22 |
| JordiGH | Yeah. | May 09 02:22 |
| cubezzz | :-P | May 09 02:22 |
| JordiGH | Same nick. | May 09 02:22 |
| schestowitz | though shell not xterm | May 09 02:23 |
| schestowitz | though shall exterminate | May 09 02:23 |
| schestowitz | all vi users :-) | May 09 02:23 |
| JordiGH | GNU wills it! | May 09 02:24 |
| schestowitz | Driving the competition out of the market, so to speak.. | May 09 02:24 |
| cubezzz | heh heh | May 09 02:24 |
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| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: MS is the Vadican during the Renaisance while the OEMs are like the wealthy banking families such as the di Medici. | May 09 02:24 |
| cubezzz | the power of GNU compels you! Out. out evil microsoft! | May 09 02:24 |
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| quotemstr | Ziomatrix: You mean Dell and HP are sponsoring beautiful artwork while creating the bedrock social institutions that will allow Europe to leapfrog the rest of the world? | May 09 02:25 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: the OEMs don't want to but feel obligated to be extorted by licensing fees unless thou shalt be smitten. | May 09 02:25 |
| cubezzz | OEMs are so wimpy | May 09 02:25 |
| Ziomatrix | quotemstr: Apple is Islam | May 09 02:26 |
| Ziomatrix | lol | May 09 02:26 |
| cubezzz | Dell has to put "Dell recommends windows 7" on every damned web page, even the few with Ubuntu | May 09 02:26 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @larryrusswurm Soon the blondes will be marching in the streets. http://larryrusswurm.com/2011/05/08/blonde-jokes-are-racist/ | May 09 02:26 | |
| schestowitz | Don't insult Islam | May 09 02:26 |
| Ziomatrix | quotemstr: jk jk, I meant that in our analogy MS is the Catholic Church and Apple is a competing religion that has fast growing folowers but ultimate want the same goal. | May 09 02:26 |
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| schestowitz | Nobody deserves a comparison to Cult of Apple | May 09 02:27 |
| quotemstr | Ziomatrix: You mean Apple has a kingdom in Spain with a high literacy rate, scientific advancement, preservation of literature, reason-based medicine, and *streetlights*, all while the rest of Europe is arguing over how witches should burn and whether bathing causes the black death? | May 09 02:27 |
| cubezzz | ok, where is GNU+Linux in your religious analogy? | May 09 02:27 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: Actually Apple would be more like the Catholic Church while Microsoft rose to be that faster growing other religion. | May 09 02:27 |
| quotemstr | Ziomatrix: :-) | May 09 02:27 |
| cubezzz | I guess they're the free-thinkers | May 09 02:28 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft is like smallpox | May 09 02:28 |
| schestowitz | It spreads whether one tries to help it or not | May 09 02:28 |
| Ziomatrix | quotemstr: see where analogies can get really fuzzy. :-P | May 09 02:28 |
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| cubezzz | schestowitz, come on now, Microsoft is not that good :) | May 09 02:28 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: just scratching an itch | May 09 02:28 |
| cubezzz | they're more black plague | May 09 02:28 |
| quotemstr | No, Microsoft is most similar to a large 21st century technology company. | May 09 02:28 |
| Ziomatrix | quotemstr: you mean 20th century, because they seem to be falling behind the times and in revenue | May 09 02:29 |
| cubezzz | you can't assign tech badness to a particular time | May 09 02:29 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: dot com bubble? | May 09 02:29 |
| cubezzz | unless you count the launch of windows 95 :) | May 09 02:29 |
| cubezzz | ok, maybe that one | May 09 02:30 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: trust me Windows 95 was a heaven sent, it was Windows 98, 98 SE and ulitmately ME that truly trashed their reputation among customers. | May 09 02:30 |
| quotemstr | Or if you insist on an analogy, Microsoft is the Apollo program and GNU/Linux is the crowd of hippies outside in a meditation ring and talking about how Gaia will love us all --- between tokes. | May 09 02:30 |
| cubezzz | no smoking... only toking | May 09 02:30 |
| *JordiGH passes to the left. | May 09 02:31 | |
| cubezzz | some wit wrote that under a no smoking sign in HS :) | May 09 02:31 |
| Ziomatrix | quotemstr: does that make Apple the Soviets? | May 09 02:31 |
| cubezzz | Ziomatrix, interesting point of view | May 09 02:32 |
| quotemstr | Ziomatrix: Speaking of 20th century --- Microsoft shoudl be the least of your worries. | May 09 02:32 |
| cubezzz | except I remember hating computers in 1995 | May 09 02:32 |
| quotemstr | Ziomatrix: Except that in our timeline, the Soviets lost. | May 09 02:32 |
| quotemstr | Ziomatrix: Apple is the GOP. | May 09 02:32 |
| cubezzz | and Xerox would be....? | May 09 02:32 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: well you were fortunate enough to experience the likes of the Commodore Amiga, Atari Falcon among other GEM OS and Unix systems. | May 09 02:32 |
| cubezzz | the old man at the top of the mountain? :) | May 09 02:32 |
| quotemstr | cubezzz: I don't know --- Barry Goldwater? | May 09 02:32 |
| cubezzz | Ziomatrix, got a amiga 500 right here still | May 09 02:33 |
| cubezzz | some old school guy that couldn't adapt I guess | May 09 02:34 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: Or perhaps ahead of their time. | May 09 02:34 |
| cubezzz | Ziomatrix, Xerox did make computers but that kind of dried up in the late 80's | May 09 02:34 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: Xerox is the British Empire | May 09 02:34 |
| cubezzz | heh | May 09 02:34 |
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| quotemstr | Ziomatrix: Isn't that IBM? | May 09 02:35 |
| schestowitz | msb_: just released this: http://techrights.org/2011/05/08/simplymepis-release/ | May 09 02:35 |
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| cubezzz | IBM was Greece :) | May 09 02:35 |
| schestowitz | better organised than COLA | May 09 02:35 |
| Ziomatrix | quotemstr: good point, but wasn't the whole point that the Soviets and Americans were competing over nations that were former British colonies or domains? | May 09 02:36 |
| Ziomatrix | quotemstr: as Apple and MS were bickering over what was ultimately Xerox tech? | May 09 02:36 |
| schestowitz | Apple is Japan | May 09 02:36 |
| cubezzz | IBM did make good machines though | May 09 02:36 |
| schestowitz | small and wealthy | May 09 02:36 |
| schestowitz | Google is very new | May 09 02:36 |
| JordiGH | I prefer Matrix analogies myself. | May 09 02:36 |
| schestowitz | Singapore of sorts | May 09 02:37 |
| Ziomatrix | JordiGH: Mister Smith is the ultimate IBM man | May 09 02:37 |
| quotemstr | Ziomatrix: More like the Americans and Soviets fighting over Nazi scientists after WWII. | May 09 02:37 |
| *schestowitz codes a lot with matrices today | May 09 02:37 | |
| JordiGH | e.g. Microsoft is ill conditioned and Apple is full (of shit). | May 09 02:37 |
| cubezzz | Stallman makes a rather fat Neo | May 09 02:37 |
| cubezzz | ;-) | May 09 02:37 |
| Ziomatrix | quotemstr: Xerox didn't commit genocide but I suppose they were once a part of one of the most oppressive monopolies aka The Bell System once. | May 09 02:38 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RealHPT/status/67387856200536064 | May 09 02:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @RealHPT: @schestowitz Rather sad that the goal of the company continues to follow #Microsoft Evangelism, which is very much alive http://v.gd/kBwzSf | May 09 02:38 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #SimplyMEPIS in the Headlines http://is.gd/NDcQhv #mepis #debian !techrights | May 09 02:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] SimplyMEPIS in the Headlines http://is.gd/NDcQhv #techrights | May 09 02:38 | |
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| msb_ | schestowitz: Are you recommending SimplyMEPIS as a good alternative to OpenSuse? | May 09 02:39 |
| Ziomatrix | quotemstr: oppressive as in how they treated their customers monetarily. I think literally one of the most oppresive monopolies has to go to the British East India Company or America's United Fruit Co. | May 09 02:39 |
| cubezzz | in car analogy terms, Microsoft is a gas guzzling SUV and GNU+Linux is a pair of sneakers | May 09 02:39 |
| schestowitz | msb_: that too | May 09 02:39 |
| schestowitz | But I was just pointing out I had released new lump of news | May 09 02:40 |
| schestowitz | COLA without the news, one page only | May 09 02:40 |
| msb_ | cubezzz: I'd say GNU/Linux is at least a Prius. | May 09 02:40 |
| schestowitz | COLA without the trolls, too | May 09 02:40 |
| cubezzz | msb_, ok :) | May 09 02:40 |
| schestowitz | btw, mepis is deb-based | May 09 02:40 |
| cubezzz | GNU+Linux == the Leaf | May 09 02:40 |
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| schestowitz | I hope opensuse forks | May 09 02:41 |
| schestowitz | out of novell | May 09 02:41 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: then would Apple OS X be like the Chevy Volt? | May 09 02:41 |
| msb_ | I thought Novell had already sold Suse. | May 09 02:41 |
| schestowitz | separated by attachMSFT | May 09 02:41 |
| schestowitz | going back to run as separate in Germany | May 09 02:41 |
| cubezzz | actually GNU+Linux is more like a car kit you can build yourself | May 09 02:41 |
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| msb_ | cubezzz: And you can get already-assembled ones for free! | May 09 02:42 |
| cubezzz | anyways, comparing software to cars is probably silly | May 09 02:42 |
| cubezzz | you can't download a car | May 09 02:42 |
| quotemstr | Microsoft is like a metaphor. | May 09 02:42 |
| schestowitz | built similarly | May 09 02:42 |
| quotemstr | Apple is like an analogy. | May 09 02:42 |
| quotemstr | Are we done now? | May 09 02:42 |
| HisDudeness | quotemstr: NO UR WRONG | May 09 02:43 |
| HisDudeness | Microsoft is a metaphor and Apple is like an analogy. | May 09 02:43 |
| schestowitz | uruguary? :-) | May 09 02:43 |
| schestowitz | Uruguay? :-) | May 09 02:43 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: that reminds me of a great article I read comparing MS, Apple and Linux as airlines. Linux was considered a great airline, if you knew how to build the passenger seat yourself. ;-) | May 09 02:43 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft is a metaphor and GNU+Linux is a pataphor :-) | May 09 02:43 |
| quotemstr | I've seldom seen so many electrons used to say so little. | May 09 02:43 |
| cubezzz | the next level | May 09 02:43 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: build as in assemble | May 09 02:43 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: in fact here it is: http://kerneltrap.org/node/14763 | May 09 02:43 |
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| schestowitz | quotemstr: what's up? | May 09 02:44 |
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| schestowitz | You're here to promote FOSS? | May 09 02:44 |
| Ziomatrix | Air DOS is a halarious thought, even though it felt that way as one of the first computers I used. :-/ | May 09 02:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Most !disturbing degree of #pollinosis I can remember in many a year. | May 09 02:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] Thread-kill #google | May 09 02:45 | |
| schestowitz | quotemsftr would be a funny nick | May 09 02:45 |
| HisDudeness | QUOTEMSTR IS A MSFT EMPLOYEE | May 09 02:46 |
| HisDudeness | srsly | May 09 02:46 |
| quotemstr | And? | May 09 02:46 |
| HisDudeness | Sing it proudly, brother. | May 09 02:46 |
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| cubezzz | nah | May 09 02:46 |
| msb_ | Looks like good copies of _Antitrust_ in Usenet and BT, if anyone's interested. | May 09 02:55 |
| msb_ | I like 800MB xvid movies. The mplayer option -vf-add smartblur=1.0:-1.0:0 sharpens them up nicely. | May 09 02:57 |
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| Ziomatrix | msb_: should I spoil anything with remarks about the movie? | May 09 02:59 |
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| msb_ | Ziomatrix: No. It's a great movie. Very inspiring at the end! | May 09 02:59 |
| cubezzz | what year did Antitrust come out? | May 09 03:00 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: I wouldn't take it literally though as the real deal tends to be more subtle in its actions. | May 09 03:00 |
| msb_ | Really embodies the World Community basis of FOSS. | May 09 03:00 |
| msb_ | Ziomatrix: True. | May 09 03:00 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: it also makes Bill Gates seem like an axe murderer | May 09 03:00 |
| cubezzz | 2001, I should have guessed | May 09 03:00 |
| msb_ | I think he is financing vaccines to sterilize people. | May 09 03:01 |
| msb_ | And he just invested in Blackwater. | May 09 03:01 |
| cubezzz | Gary Winston thinly disguised Gates, lol | May 09 03:01 |
| cubezzz | even though it was a silly movie, I enjoyed Hackers | May 09 03:03 |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: I should state Bill Gates like character, since in that movie apparently this fictional character eclispes the other Gates in wealth. | May 09 03:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @aem76us Twitter & FB kill RSS. #WalledGarden http://www.staynalive.com/2011/05/twitter-and-facebook-both-quietly-kill.html | May 09 03:03 | |
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| cubezzz | Johnathon Young as Stinky? | May 09 03:05 |
| msb_ | "Human knowledge belongs to the World" -- Antitrust | May 09 03:05 |
| msb_ | It is a _very_ good movie. A Conscious movie. | May 09 03:06 |
| msb_ | It can help wake people up out of the Matrix. | May 09 03:06 |
| msb_ | LIke _Dune_, _The Matrix_, _My Dinner With Andre_, _The Golden Compass_ | May 09 03:10 |
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| Ziomatrix | msb_: it also played off the pop culture of the time that came to realize or see Microsoft's dominance in the PC market as a drawback rather then an attribute. It also came out less then a year after the inclusion of the indightment against Microsoft and while they were still deliberating on whether to break it up. | May 09 03:11 |
| msb_ | Waking people up is the most important thing! | May 09 03:11 |
| cubezzz | yeah but the thing is... I'm pre-Matrix | May 09 03:12 |
| cubezzz | some of the computers I own can't even run windows | May 09 03:12 |
| cubezzz | heh, I knew that person was American | May 09 03:15 |
| msb_ | I realized a few months ago that I'm sort of a cyborg, like the people in _Ghost In The Shell_ but without the implants. My computer with its data is a major part of my mind. My external memory. | May 09 03:15 |
| msb_ | So Linux is the OS of part of my mind. Wonderful that I can set it up and control it exactly how I want. | May 09 03:17 |
| msb_ | I love that episode of The X-Files where a couple of people upload themselves into the Net. | May 09 03:18 |
| cubezzz | it's an old idea, but it's utter fiction | May 09 03:20 |
| cubezzz | X-files is hardly the first example | May 09 03:20 |
| msb_ | "Kill Switch" | May 09 03:20 |
| msb_ | cubezzz: Fiction now, but the transhumanists think it will happen. | May 09 03:21 |
| cubezzz | msb_, it's long past 2001 and look around :) | May 09 03:21 |
| cubezzz | no HAL 9000 | May 09 03:21 |
| cubezzz | no moonbase | May 09 03:21 |
| cubezzz | some writers thought we could have talking computers by the 50's | May 09 03:22 |
| msb_ | Flying saucers are real. Thus low-energy transportation between the planets at least will come about. | May 09 03:23 |
| msb_ | If they money we've spent on internation mass murder had been spent on space travel we'd have a moon colony by now. | May 09 03:24 |
| msb_ | international | May 09 03:24 |
| msb_ | The new Millennium was hijacked by the 9-11 false-flag terror operation. | May 09 03:24 |
| cubezzz | 1984 example... | May 09 03:25 |
| msb_ | We should probably be glad there's no HAL 9000. Some idiot would put it in control of the ICBMs and we'd all be dead. | May 09 03:26 |
| cubezzz | Valentina: Soul in Sapphire | May 09 03:26 |
| msb_ | cubezzz: Ooh, I think I remember that. Who wrote it? | May 09 03:26 |
| cubezzz | Joseph Delaney and Mark Stiegler | May 09 03:26 |
| cubezzz | no Val, no HAL, and no ummm... MCP :) | May 09 03:29 |
| cubezzz | except there was really an MCP | May 09 03:29 |
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| cubezzz | Unisys/Burroughs operating system | May 09 03:31 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @q4td “Your mobile phone has more computing power than all of NASA in 1969. NASA launched a man to the moon. We launch a bird into pi ... | May 09 03:31 | |
| msb_ | Hot damn! It is in BT and coming in fast. | May 09 03:32 |
| cubezzz | lol, that book is on ebay for 1 buck | May 09 03:33 |
| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: I don't recall Antitrust ever did too well at the box office | May 09 03:34 |
| msb_ | Well, my Vuze is working again. It got whacked yesterday apparently by an "upgrade" of a library it uses, and took about six hours to fix. | May 09 03:34 |
| cubezzz | Ziomatrix, 13 million I think | May 09 03:35 |
| msb_ | Probably not. The vast majority of people are too deeply asleep to appreciate it. | May 09 03:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[icelogic/@icelogic] Our new web-cast about free software, gaming and tech freedom. http://webcast.icelogic.org | May 09 03:36 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | May 09 03:36 |
| cubezzz | yeah but I don't go to the movies much | May 09 03:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] Child: "Yes, why *do* we have to have evil?" Supreme Being: "Ah! I believe it has something to do with free will." #timebandits #theology | May 09 03:38 | |
| Ziomatrix | msb_: what do you like about Vuze? | May 09 03:39 |
| cubezzz | I use rtorrent | May 09 03:40 |
| msb_ | It has every feature I can think of. | May 09 03:40 |
| msb_ | rtorrent is curses, right? | May 09 03:40 |
| cubezzz | it's rather heavy | May 09 03:40 |
| cubezzz | yes | May 09 03:40 |
| msb_ | Vuze heavy? | May 09 03:40 |
| cubezzz | yes | May 09 03:41 |
| msb_ | I've got 8 gigs of RAM. What, me worry? | May 09 03:41 |
| cubezzz | I'm a minimalist universalist :) | May 09 03:41 |
| msb_ | I think gui is good in this case. | May 09 03:41 |
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| Ziomatrix | cubezzz: I have used uTorrent and Transmission the most. | May 09 03:42 |
| msb_ | After the apocalypse, that might be a good thing. | May 09 03:42 |
| cubezzz | one computer I use every day has 1 meg ram | May 09 03:42 |
| msb_ | USB toothbrush? | May 09 03:43 |
| cubezzz | and even that one can connect to the other boxes | May 09 03:43 |
| cubezzz | no, that's the amiga | May 09 03:43 |
| cubezzz | communicates via the parallel port | May 09 03:44 |
| cubezzz | msb_, I used to use vuze, but I found that rtorrent is uses less memory | May 09 03:44 |
| cubezzz | it can run in true text mode at 100x25 | May 09 03:46 |
| cubezzz | on a 19" monitor that's quite readable | May 09 03:46 |
| msb_ | I think it was an Amiga that produced a wonderful 3-D display at one of the West Coast Computer Faires many years ago. Used LCD shutter glasses. Looked like a 12" cube black "vision tank" (if that's the old scifi term) with bright objects moving around in it. Amazing! | May 09 03:47 |
| cubezzz | msb_, also the amiga had a better floppy controller | May 09 03:47 |
| cubezzz | the PC's don't follow the full spec | May 09 03:47 |
| msb_ | I know rtorrent is supposed to be very good. | May 09 03:49 |
| msb_ | But I like how, e.g., vuze can show you all the tracker sources for a given torrent, and you can select the one you want as the principal tracker. | May 09 03:50 |
| msb_ | Maybe rtorrent can do that too, but I think it'd be a bit clumsy in textmode. | May 09 03:50 |
| cubezzz | nah | May 09 03:51 |
| cubezzz | sometimes I even surf the web in text mode | May 09 03:51 |
| msb_ | I was once trying to fix my X server, I think when I first switched to Suse 11.4, and was getting help from the Suse irc channel, of course using a gui irc client. Then the X server croaked from what I was trying, and I had to find a textmode irc client and run it in a virtual text console! | May 09 03:52 |
| msb_ | I routinely use Lynx to view imdb.com -- quick and easy. | May 09 03:53 |
| cubezzz | and your torrent would continue downloading if you reset X if you used rtorrent in true text mode | May 09 03:53 |
| msb_ | Sure. But my X server is fixed now and works fine. | May 09 03:54 |
| msb_ | I always run mplayer in CLI. I have a script that allows you to position a rectangle over a TV station logo and write a position file, and another that uses that file to blur out the logo when playing the video | May 09 03:56 |
| msb_ | I have a script that takes a command file specifying video files and sections within them, and plays them at specified speeds. Good for watching nature videos. | May 09 03:57 |
| msb_ | A script uses mencoder to create xvid/mp3/avi videos on the fly from TV shows via a TV card. | May 09 03:58 |
| msb_ | cubezzz: I resisted gui initially. Heck I resisted transistors because tubes were much easier to understand and much more robust. | May 09 04:01 |
| msb_ | Superregeneration. Ah, those were the days! | May 09 04:01 |
| cubezzz | I think you might have a few years on me then | May 09 04:02 |
| msb_ | I'm 65. | May 09 04:02 |
| cubezzz | ok, 20 years | May 09 04:02 |
| cubezzz | so what computers have you worked on? | May 09 04:03 |
| cubezzz | IBM 701 perhaps? ;) | May 09 04:03 |
| msb_ | Some Royal McBee thingy with no RAM, just a drum memory. Did 60 instructions/second unless you spaced them properly around the drum. That was in high school. | May 09 04:04 |
| msb_ | DEC PDP-8, -12, 6. The predecessor to the -12, which I can't remember the name of. 1K core RAM. | May 09 04:05 |
| cubezzz | you might like #classiccmp then | May 09 04:05 |
| cubezzz | PDP talk is big over there | May 09 04:05 |
| msb_ | Beautiful console switches. | May 09 04:05 |
| msb_ | DG Nova and Eclipse. | May 09 04:06 |
| msb_ | Thanks! Although I think I'm too busy with the present and future to spend much time reminiscing. | May 09 04:06 |
| cubezzz | you own a PDP then? | May 09 04:06 |
| msb_ | No. | May 09 04:06 |
| Ender2070 | lol | May 09 04:07 |
| msb_ | Just a succession of PCs. 8088, 386, Pentium, now an AMD 5200 64bit dual core. | May 09 04:07 |
| cubezzz | those guys are a bit nuts, they run IBM mainframes in their basement | May 09 04:08 |
| cubezzz | well, some of them do | May 09 04:08 |
| cubezzz | and teletypewriters too :) | May 09 04:08 |
| Ender2070 | I think my cell phone could outpower their pcs then | May 09 04:08 |
| msb_ | They should race them, if that's possible. | May 09 04:08 |
| twitter1 | I had a teletype once. It was fun. | May 09 04:08 |
| cubezzz | see, a few years back, I wanted to break out of just using intel all the time | May 09 04:09 |
| cubezzz | so the retrocomputing got interesting again | May 09 04:09 |
| msb_ | A DEC LINC computer -- that's the predecessor of the PDP-12. | May 09 04:09 |
| cubezzz | a pity about Kildall | May 09 04:10 |
| cubezzz | and DEC too | May 09 04:10 |
| msb_ | I only use AMD. Intel collaborated with Microsoft on the "Palladium" system for total govt censorship of the Net. | May 09 04:10 |
| Ender2070 | you mean the failed TPM agenda | May 09 04:11 |
| cubezzz | still, you're stuck in x86-land... | May 09 04:11 |
| Ender2070 | cubezzz - stuff on x86 is worth it | May 09 04:11 |
| msb_ | The LINC was beautiful -- little metal toggle switches for address and data, lighted pushbuttons. | May 09 04:11 |
| cubezzz | so anyway, I tried to branch out | May 09 04:11 |
| msb_ | Ender2070: Yes. "Trusted" (treacherous) computing. | May 09 04:12 |
| Ender2070 | msb_ now its a bios option you can turn off or on | May 09 04:12 |
| Ender2070 | Linux supports it and you can use it to lock down your own PC | May 09 04:12 |
| twitter1 | you think you turn it off | May 09 04:13 |
| msb_ | Goody. I will still never use Microsoft or Intel. | May 09 04:13 |
| Ender2070 | hello sirs, im the conspiracy theorist and im not that stupid | May 09 04:13 |
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| cubezzz | msb_, I think the 8088 is safe :) | May 09 04:14 |
| Ender2070 | TPM failed, end of story | May 09 04:14 |
| msb_ | Some school system gave its kids laptops and was spying on them without their knowledge using the builtin webcams. | May 09 04:14 |
| twitter1 | Windows | May 09 04:14 |
| twitter1 | !google school webcam spy scandal | May 09 04:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Prosecutor: No Charges in Webcam Spy Scandal | Threat Level ... | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2010/08/webcamscandal/ | May 09 04:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - FBI probes Pennsylvania school district over webcam spy scandal ... | http://www.tgdaily.com/business-and-law-features/48537-fbi-probes-pennsylvania-school-district-over-webcam-spy-scandal | May 09 04:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - YouTube - Alex Jones on school webcam spying scandal in Philadelphia | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dlp9xWeT98zQ | May 09 04:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Student Webcam Spy Scandal Broadens - Digg | http://digg.com/news/technology/Student_Webcam_Spy_Scandal_Broadens | May 09 04:15 |
| Ender2070 | yeah that happened but it had nothing to do with TPM | May 09 04:15 |
| twitter1 | No charges, ha! | May 09 04:15 |
| Ender2070 | of course no charges | May 09 04:15 |
| msb_ | Not the end of story. The current COICA bill would permanently kill any website that even linked to a single copyrighted work. | May 09 04:15 |
| cubezzz | does RPC 4000 or 9000 ring a bell msb_? | May 09 04:15 |
| Ender2070 | its a government spying program | May 09 04:15 |
| twitter1 | they were charged with pedophilia | May 09 04:16 |
| msb_ | cubezzz: no... | May 09 04:16 |
| twitter1 | watching school kids in their bedrooms | May 09 04:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | [11:15:08] <msb_> Not the end of story. The current COICA bill would permanently kill any website that even linked to a single copyrighted work. | May 09 04:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | Go ahead, Im behind 7 proxies! | May 09 04:16 |
| cubezzz | hmm, maybe LGP-30 then | May 09 04:17 |
| cubezzz | or LGP-21 | May 09 04:17 |
| msb_ | Diablo-D3: Yes, but is your website? | May 09 04:17 |
| twitter1 | 7 computers mysteriously fail ... | May 09 04:17 |
| msb_ | cubezzz: Royal McBee? | May 09 04:17 |
| cubezzz | yes | May 09 04:17 |
| Ender2070 | Mafiaafire | May 09 04:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | I swear to god Im just going to start hosting sites behind tor | May 09 04:17 |
| Ender2070 | Freenet | May 09 04:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | [11:15:48] <Diablo-D3> [11:15:08] <msb_> Not the end of story. The current COICA bill would permanently kill any website that even linked to a single copyrighted work. | May 09 04:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | we have two problems | May 09 04:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | one | May 09 04:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | MY WORKS ARE COPYRIGHTED, IM LINKING TO THEM | May 09 04:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | two | May 09 04:18 |
| twitter1 | does that work, hosting behind TOR? | May 09 04:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | twitter1: slow as fuck, but you can generate a unqiue name tor will route without giving up your physical location | May 09 04:18 |
| cubezzz | just host in another country then | May 09 04:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | so, two | May 09 04:18 |
| twitter1 | that is cool | May 09 04:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | FUCK YOU, I HAVE A RIGHT TO LICENSE MY WORKS HOWEVER I WISH | May 09 04:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | we can shut itunes and amazon down | May 09 04:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | linking AND hosting to copyrighted works | May 09 04:18 |
| msb_ | No, of course it means somebody else's work. | May 09 04:18 |
| twitter1 | selling copyrighted works, the scandal! | May 09 04:19 |
| Ender2070 | its more likely to be used against those who speak against the government | May 09 04:19 |
| cubezzz | right and of course U.S.A != Entire World | May 09 04:19 |
| msb_ | What we really have to do is get rid of these NWO governments and have the actual democracy, and uncensored news media, that we're told that we have. | May 09 04:19 |
| twitter1 | of course, there's only one boss -> cubezzz: right and of course U.S.A != Entire World | May 09 04:20 |
| Ender2070 | msb_ :) | May 09 04:20 |
| msb_ | Ender2070: For sure! | May 09 04:20 |
| Ender2070 | msb_ I'd say the media can never be trusted | May 09 04:20 |
| twitter1 | of the 1%, by the 1% and for the .01% | May 09 04:20 |
| msb_ | Certainly not the mainstream media. | May 09 04:20 |
| msb_ | twitter1: Right! | May 09 04:21 |
| Ender2070 | msb_ its refreshing to see someone else in here talk about the NWO | May 09 04:21 |
| msb_ | Alex Jones is pretty good, except for his right-wing economics ideas. | May 09 04:21 |
| cubezzz | they can write whatever silly laws they want but who's going to enforce it? | May 09 04:21 |
| msb_ | Ender2070: Thanks! My website is cosmicpenguin.com | May 09 04:21 |
| Ender2070 | msb_ qubitarkhive.com | May 09 04:22 |
| Ender2070 | cubezzz - thousands of brainwashed militarized police | May 09 04:22 |
| cubezzz | I guess if the ISP cut you off though it would be a problem | May 09 04:23 |
| twitter1 | ha har, drama of weird Windows problem http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFdDC4ws2N4 | May 09 04:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: YouTube - Windows 7 Ultimate Problem .::. Size~: 118.96 KB | May 09 04:23 |
| twitter1 | I don't see so many Windows 7 sucks videos lately. I wonder if Microsoft is reporting all of the new ones. | May 09 04:25 |
| msb_ | Ender2070: All those principles of communism (are they really?) implemented, and none of the benefits of communism like housing and food for all! | May 09 04:25 |
| Ender2070 | the grandfather of those principles would be Moses Hess, and the great grandfather Adam Weishaupt | May 09 04:26 |
| twitter1 | The Soviet Union had a rabbit hutch for everyone. | May 09 04:26 |
| twitter1 | this one is relatively new http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ov053Wr6Yew | May 09 04:27 |
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| msb_ | This group seeks to wake up the police and military so they will refuse to attack the people: http://oathkeepers.org | May 09 04:27 |
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| Ender2070 | I had always wondered why communism needed a centralized bank | May 09 04:27 |
| cubezzz | twitter1, you convinced me already :) | May 09 04:28 |
| Ender2070 | its a banker invention, thats why | May 09 04:28 |
| Ender2070 | lol | May 09 04:28 |
| Ender2070 | the freemen are trying to wake up police and courts | May 09 04:28 |
| twitter1 | thanks, cubezzz, but I like to grow the collection with recent things | May 09 04:28 |
| msb_ | Obomber gave $28 TRILLION to the banking cartel. | May 09 04:29 |
| twitter1 | did you get your billion? | May 09 04:29 |
| Ender2070 | I just watched the Obama Deception | May 09 04:29 |
| msb_ | The now-even-more-ultra wealthy bankers got it. | May 09 04:29 |
| twitter1 | 28 trillion, that's like 28,000 new billionaires. how cool is that? | May 09 04:29 |
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| twitter1 | or 28,000 even richer people. | May 09 04:30 |
| msb_ | The freemen, yes! We need those weirding modules! | May 09 04:30 |
| twitter1 | I like that rolling stone article about the housewives that got something goofy like 250 million of government backed loans that they then used to buy student loans .... | May 09 04:31 |
| twitter1 | bought themselves fancy houses off the millions of trouble free, no can lose, income | May 09 04:31 |
| cubezzz | the world is crazy | May 09 04:31 |
| twitter1 | I don't need a billion. Just a few million. Where's my bailout? | May 09 04:31 |
| cubezzz | damn, even a few thou would be nice :) | May 09 04:32 |
| twitter1 | If everyone would just chip in a dollar or two, I'd be set with 300,000,000 | May 09 04:32 |
| Ender2070 | oh you can't top the generosity of the canadian government | May 09 04:32 |
| Ender2070 | every new immigrant who can't get a job gets free college | May 09 04:32 |
| twitter1 | no one else would miss it. why don't all of you send me a dollar today? | May 09 04:33 |
| msb_ | The world is run by a few thousand murderous sociopaths who use the mainstream media to create at totally false pseudoreality that most people think is real. | May 09 04:33 |
| Ender2070 | msb_ +1 | May 09 04:33 |
| cubezzz | Jones interviewed Stallman once I think | May 09 04:33 |
| tessier | schestowitz: Everything working well with the server lately? | May 09 04:33 |
| Ender2070 | he did | May 09 04:33 |
| msb_ | Cool! | May 09 04:34 |
| Ender2070 | http://youtu.be/kZWKXNo_vA0 | May 09 04:34 |
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| msb_ | Thanks! | May 09 04:34 |
| Ender2070 | np | May 09 04:34 |
| Ender2070 | msb_ I see it this way: secret societies -> Media -> Religion -> Corporations -> Politicians -> Us | May 09 04:36 |
| Ender2070 | exampels of religion being higher up than corps: http://www.soxfirst.com/50226711/nuns_sue_morgan_stanley_over_bad_investment_deal.php | May 09 04:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Sox First - Nuns sue Morgan Stanley over bad investment deal - Sarbanes-Oxley, management, compliance, IPO, enron, risk management, compliance management .::. Size~: 13.71 KB | May 09 04:39 |
| msb_ | Ender2070: I agree, but I think they're all interlocked rather than in a specific hierarchy. | May 09 04:39 |
| msb_ | Ender2070: Does Alex Jones ever find out that RMS is a total socialist? | May 09 04:39 |
| Ender2070 | I dont think he knows | May 09 04:41 |
| msb_ | Wow, youtube is buffering like crazy tonight. | May 09 04:41 |
| Ender2070 | I've had some interesting email exchanges with RMS regarding that topic | May 09 04:41 |
| Ender2070 | RMS is just as brainwashed as everyone else | May 09 04:42 |
| msb_ | Ender2070: At our current level of technology, when machines can do almost all the work, how is the average person going to make a living? | May 09 04:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] The Singapore Cabinet is PG-rated: http://wp.me/pj2fj-rQ #sgelection | May 09 04:43 | |
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| Ender2070 | msb_ they cant, there will be too many useless people - there will be a demand for depopulation | May 09 04:44 |
| Ender2070 | people will quote george bernard shaw as if hes a hero | May 09 04:44 |
| Ender2070 | by then people wil already be voluntarily sterilizing themselves to save the planet | May 09 04:45 |
| msb_ | Right. But with something like democratic socialism or populism with private property protected up to a few million dollars, we could have a successful life for everyone. | May 09 04:45 |
| Ender2070 | according to shaw, people will have to justify their own existence or be killed | May 09 04:46 |
| Ender2070 | yeah we could have that but it wouldnt be good for the elite | May 09 04:47 |
| Ender2070 | you're not allowed to own land anymore | May 09 04:47 |
| Ender2070 | Canada was never given property rights | May 09 04:47 |
| Ender2070 | there are plenty of reasons the government here can use to take your home | May 09 04:48 |
| Ender2070 | often they just use building codes to bankrupt people into constant compliance, people give up and rent within the city | May 09 04:49 |
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| msb_ | So, we have to wake up enough people that we can dethrone the elite, send them off with $10million each, and create a good society, economic system and govt. | May 09 04:49 |
| Ender2070 | the utopia :) | May 09 04:50 |
| Ender2070 | i've tried waking people up in this channel, doesnt work so well | May 09 04:50 |
| Ender2070 | thats why I said its refreshing to see you mention it | May 09 04:51 |
| msb_ | Hell, the US govt has decreed that it can kidnap, torture and murder anyone in the world they want to, just by declaring them to be a "terrorist". And I think the ADL has stated that 911 truth people are terrorists. | May 09 04:51 |
| Ender2070 | what happens if you change the definition of a terrorist and all these laws are still on the books | May 09 04:51 |
| msb_ | Ender2070: Thanks. Very glad to see you here. And others have been somewhat receptive. Unlike in #suse, for example. | May 09 04:52 |
| Ender2070 | I think one of the major things to do is to stop watching tv every day | May 09 04:53 |
| msb_ | All those laws are like declaring 1=0. Anything goes. We have to eliminate that whole insane system. The US Constitution is a pretty good foundation. | May 09 04:53 |
| Ender2070 | i have a few shows i watch, but not every day and being away from tv so long allows me to filter better when I do watch a show | May 09 04:53 |
| msb_ | Also, you have to turn down the sound when the commercials come on. They poison the mind. Rapidfire lies with full emotional enthusiasm. It turns people off to real human emotions. | May 09 04:54 |
| Ender2070 | yeah they do | May 09 04:55 |
| Ender2070 | i try to avoid commercials | May 09 04:55 |
| Ender2070 | rent or buy box seasons of shows I like | May 09 04:55 |
| Ender2070 | commercials are allowed to use subliminals | May 09 04:56 |
| Ender2070 | even some of the shows themselves should be avoided | May 09 04:56 |
| Ender2070 | NBC started putting behavior placement into its shows | May 09 04:56 |
| msb_ | If pregnant rats are fed the same amount of fluoride in their water as is put in US tapwater, the offspring all have rat ADD. | May 09 04:57 |
| Ender2070 | they figure of the characters in the shows follow certain parts of the agenda, people will go along with it | May 09 04:57 |
| Ender2070 | oh shit really? | May 09 04:57 |
| Ender2070 | I never heard of flouride to ADD | May 09 04:57 |
| msb_ | Oh yeah. I think one of the characters in NCIS is a Mossad agent, totally approved of. | May 09 04:58 |
| msb_ | Fluoride was given to prisoners by the Nazis and Communists to keep them docile. | May 09 04:58 |
| Ender2070 | yes totally | May 09 04:59 |
| msb_ | There's a huge connection between mercury and aluminum in vaccines and autism in children and Alzheimer's in adults. | May 09 04:59 |
| Ender2070 | theres aluminum in the air | May 09 05:00 |
| msb_ | Chemtrails. | May 09 05:00 |
| Ender2070 | yes | May 09 05:00 |
| Ender2070 | aluminum and barium | May 09 05:00 |
| Ender2070 | monsanto even started making aluminum-resistant gmo foods | May 09 05:00 |
| msb_ | Guess what. They spray fluoride on vegetables to kill the insects. And it soaks in and we eat it. | May 09 05:00 |
| Ender2070 | you take a shower in it, the heat opens your pores | May 09 05:01 |
| msb_ | Wow, I didn't know that. Aluminum kills plants? | May 09 05:01 |
| Ender2070 | yeah | May 09 05:01 |
| Ender2070 | its a poison | May 09 05:01 |
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| Ender2070 | fluoride is a byproduct of aluminum | May 09 05:02 |
| msb_ | I figure I probably don't absorb more than a couple of teaspoons of water through my skin when I take a shower, and you have to drink at least a cup a day to get brain damaged. | May 09 05:02 |
| msb_ | And a product of uranium isotope separation. | May 09 05:03 |
| Ender2070 | a glass of water is one application of toothpaste | May 09 05:03 |
| Ender2070 | 8oz | May 09 05:03 |
| msb_ | Iodine is good for you, and helps you to throw off fluoride. A couple of mg/day is good. | May 09 05:04 |
| Ender2070 | garlic too | May 09 05:04 |
| Ender2070 | garlic helps your body get rid of metals | May 09 05:04 |
| msb_ | Ah! | May 09 05:04 |
| msb_ | Cumin is anticancer. And I just found out that I like curry. | May 09 05:05 |
| Ender2070 | :) | May 09 05:06 |
| Ender2070 | yum | May 09 05:06 |
| Ender2070 | just found out I need to replace my brita | May 09 05:06 |
| msb_ | I don't think those eliminate fluoride. | May 09 05:06 |
| msb_ | Distillation is best. | May 09 05:07 |
| Ender2070 | they dont just read that on their website | May 09 05:07 |
| Ender2070 | in the faq | May 09 05:07 |
| msb_ | They say it does eliminate fluoride? | May 09 05:07 |
| msb_ | I was just talking in general about water filters. | May 09 05:08 |
| Ender2070 | no | May 09 05:12 |
| Ender2070 | they say it doesnt | May 09 05:12 |
| Ender2070 | they say flouride is good for you | May 09 05:12 |
| msb_ | http://www.brita.com/support/faq/misc-faq/ Right. Brita corp _likes_ fluoride. | May 09 05:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Brita Misc FAQ: Frequently Asked Questions about everything else | Brita .::. Size~: 11.18 KB | May 09 05:13 |
| msb_ | Some companies make an alumina filter that removes fluoride. Then I guess you have to remove the aluminum. | May 09 05:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @lstench @seeds The one major side effect. About to put myself back into Linux rehab and settled down with something this week. | May 09 05:15 | |
| msb_ | They are literally poisoning our air, food, and water. And media. | May 09 05:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @robsanchez #Apple, #Google to face lawmakers in !privacy tussle http://ur1.ca/44de1 | May 09 05:16 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Apple, Google to face lawmakers in privacy tussle | Reuters .::. Size~: 78.77 KB | May 09 05:16 |
| msb_ | Oh, then there's the Codex Alimentarius. The WTO agreement that would ban all vitamins and minerals in amounts greater than the FDA MDR, and totally ban all other nutrients, herbs, etc. | May 09 05:18 |
| msb_ | All herbs just got banned in England about a week ago, due to an EU agreement. | May 09 05:18 |
| msb_ | England, one of the countries where a lot of the medicinal plants were originally identified by the witches (wiccans). | May 09 05:19 |
| Ender2070 | :) | May 09 05:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] Submitted my first tiny patch to GNU !MediaGoblin. Excited to see where this project goes. | May 09 05:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] Wondering whether using sites/all/* is at all useful with a D7/git/drush/features deployment/upgrade process. Thoughts? !Drupal #lazyweb | May 09 05:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good morning @marjoleink | May 09 05:40 | |
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| msb_ | Ender2070: Wanna talk via skype? | May 09 05:44 |
| Ender2070 | im going to bed soon | May 09 05:45 |
| Ender2070 | tomorrow? | May 09 05:45 |
| msb_ | Sure! My skype id is markbilk | May 09 05:46 |
| msb_ | You're in Ontario? | May 09 05:46 |
| msb_ | What time is it there? | May 09 05:46 |
| msb_ | (sound of snoring) | May 09 05:47 |
| Ender2070 | 12:47AM | May 09 05:48 |
| Ender2070 | what timezone are you in? | May 09 05:49 |
| msb_ | Pacific 950PM | May 09 05:50 |
| msb_ | Mountain View, Calif., 50 miles south of San Francisco | May 09 05:50 |
| Ender2070 | ill be back home tomrrow around 8pm EST | May 09 05:50 |
| Ender2070 | i might be in the channel before that just chatting while @ work | May 09 05:51 |
| Ender2070 | ttyl | May 09 05:51 |
| msb_ | good night! | May 09 05:52 |
| Ender2070 | goodnight | May 09 05:52 |
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| DaemonFC | now I know my mom has a screw loose :P | May 09 06:06 |
| DaemonFC | she was complaining that her car stunk so I pop the trunk and she had forgotten to take a frozen chicken in | May 09 06:06 |
| DaemonFC | judging from the smell, I'd say a week or so | May 09 06:07 |
| DaemonFC | I was laughing so hard over that I could barely breathe | May 09 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | and she was driving back and forth to work like that | May 09 06:09 |
| *DaemonFC facepalms | May 09 06:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @mjjzf haHAha - www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/columns/bizarre_cathedral_97 - devious | May 09 06:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] goodnight !identiverse | May 09 06:10 | |
| msb_ | Well, at least it wasn't someone she whacked and forgot to bury. | May 09 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | I was telling my stepdad if a cop pulled her over he's probably get a whiff of that and point his gun at her and tell her to open the trunk | May 09 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 09 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | *he'd | May 09 06:26 |
| DaemonFC | she's the one driving around with a decomposing chicken in the trunk and I'm the one taking medication | May 09 06:30 |
| DaemonFC | right.... | May 09 06:30 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 09 06:30 |
| msb_ | Not only raw meat, but frozen and thawed so the cells are all broken and oozing slime even before the bacteria came along. | May 09 06:31 |
| msb_ | what are you taking medication for? | May 09 06:31 |
| DaemonFC | bipolar disorder B-) | May 09 06:31 |
| DaemonFC | I've never once driven around wondering why my car stinks to find out there's a week old dead chicken in the trunk | May 09 06:31 |
| msb_ | Do you think you really need it? | May 09 06:31 |
| DaemonFC | score another one for the mental patient | May 09 06:32 |
| DaemonFC | woohoo | May 09 06:32 |
| msb_ | It's a good idea to avoid psychiatric meds if at all possible. | May 09 06:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Lesson for today : Always keep mobile charger in your pocket.. | May 09 06:35 | |
| DaemonFC | she needs them more than I do | May 09 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | house demons and dead chickens | May 09 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 09 06:35 |
| msb_ | A friend of mine is on an SSRI, large doses of ativan, and gabapentin. And booze. | May 09 06:35 |
| msb_ | She has house demons? | May 09 06:35 |
| DaemonFC | she says she saw some weird stuff | May 09 06:36 |
| DaemonFC | lack of sleep will do that | May 09 06:36 |
| DaemonFC | combined with a predisposition to believing in superstitions | May 09 06:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @ml2mst (1) How to remove #mono including its apps on #ubuntu 11.04: sudo apt-get purge mono-runtime cli-common | May 09 06:36 | |
| msb_ | I think spirits are real. People have done astral travelling and report on stuff they couldn't have known otherwise. | May 09 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | my grandmother is nuts | May 09 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | she says she has "visions" | May 09 06:37 |
| DaemonFC | and Jesus told her she'll die when she's 88 | May 09 06:38 |
| msb_ | Nothing wrong with having visions. | May 09 06:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @fossmaniac Tomorrow is Adv. Java Practical exam and m reading http://is.gd/OQLaqT "Free but Shackled - The Java Trap" !faif | May 09 06:38 | |
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| DaemonFC | yeah, it means dementia | May 09 06:38 |
| DaemonFC | either that or she's a liar | May 09 06:39 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't figured out which yet | May 09 06:39 |
| DaemonFC | maybe both | May 09 06:39 |
| msb_ | Tsk tsk. Such reductionist thinking. | May 09 06:39 |
| DaemonFC | I think people who claim to have spiritual experiences are either lying attention whores | May 09 06:40 |
| DaemonFC | or have a mental illness | May 09 06:40 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 09 06:40 |
| DaemonFC | say 50/50 | May 09 06:40 |
| DaemonFC | my grandmother used to claim to speak to the devil | May 09 06:40 |
| DaemonFC | who said I *as in, me*, belonged to him | May 09 06:41 |
| DaemonFC | and to leave my video games alone | May 09 06:41 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 09 06:41 |
| DaemonFC | sounds like repackaged Pat Robertson to me | May 09 06:41 |
| DaemonFC | but I could see him as a devil | May 09 06:41 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 09 06:41 |
| DaemonFC | she watches the religious fruitloop channel all day long | May 09 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | and sends them her Social Security check | May 09 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | while the rest of the family pays her bills | May 09 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | I guess we're all just too nice to stick her in a home | May 09 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 09 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | (plus she'd go kicking and screaming and gouging for peoples eyeballs) | May 09 06:43 |
| DaemonFC | call in the exorcist | May 09 06:43 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 09 06:43 |
| DaemonFC | she also believes President Obama is the antichrist | May 09 06:44 |
| DaemonFC | and is going to herd us all into FEMA death camps | May 09 06:44 |
| DaemonFC | and take away her Medicare | May 09 06:44 |
| DaemonFC | and all kinds of horrible things | May 09 06:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 09 06:44 |
| DaemonFC | Yes, Grandma, he's a nigg....I mean, agent of Satan | May 09 06:44 |
| DaemonFC | such a nice old lady B-) | May 09 06:45 |
| msb_ | Anyhow, here's a great song about a vision: http://cosmicpenguin.com/tmp/Suzanne-Vega--Story-of-Isaac--Leonard-Cohen-24Kbs.mp3 | May 09 06:45 |
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| DaemonFC | She said "I bet you voted for him, didn't you?" | May 09 06:45 |
| DaemonFC | I said "Just as sure as your generation would have hung him from a tree" | May 09 06:46 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 09 06:46 |
| msb_ | I did. But I think he may be the Antichrist. | May 09 06:46 |
| DaemonFC | my family is nuts | May 09 06:46 |
| DaemonFC | some of them admit they are schizophrenics and bipolar or whatever and take their pills | May 09 06:47 |
| DaemonFC | the rest just claim to see Jesus and talk to the devil, about me | May 09 06:47 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 09 06:47 |
| DaemonFC | I think with the deck I was dealt from, I'm doing OK | May 09 06:48 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 09 06:48 |
| msb_ | Now I don't know if you should listen to that song after all. It might send you over the edge. | May 09 06:49 |
| DaemonFC | I think the line between mental illness and religion is fine, but I'd rather admit I'm mentally ill than religious | May 09 06:49 |
| msb_ | There are some good religions -- Buddhism, Wicca, ... | May 09 06:50 |
| DaemonFC | at least mental illness suggests a tangible cause for some of the problems, instead of blaming everything on Satan and demons | May 09 06:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] This is Tweet number 6000 and Dent Number 343, | May 09 06:50 | |
| msb_ | But Satan is the basis for a lot of good movies. | May 09 06:51 |
| DaemonFC | No, usually bad movies that nobody should see | May 09 06:51 |
| DaemonFC | not because they have Satan in them, but because they have shitty actors like Arnold Schwarzenegger | May 09 06:51 |
| msb_ | The Exorcist movies are good. | May 09 06:52 |
| DaemonFC | What a lovely day for an exorcism | May 09 06:52 |
| DaemonFC | I say that in a creepy voice whenever I see my grandmother | May 09 06:52 |
| DaemonFC | pisses her off | May 09 06:53 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=OTQxNg | May 09 06:54 |
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| DaemonFC | FGLRX has something like this, only it's complete crap | May 09 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | it requires restarting the X server | May 09 06:54 |
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| DaemonFC | that's probably why Nvidia didn't bother | May 09 06:54 |
| DaemonFC | the free drivers won't have that problem | May 09 06:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Hello Browser! Hello Gizmodo.com, I want article ... Cool, you are from germany! Here's gizmodo.de! No, err, where is my article? #fail | May 09 07:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Just flooded myhouse on accident :< | May 09 07:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Tesla was the man! Have you read any of his books? Way ahead of his time. | May 09 07:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Good morning !identiverse :) Seems although this group is present at !lxhica I can't actually ! it :( | May 09 07:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] A visual history of our website, as seen through svn code commits: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/code-commit-movie-our-website | May 09 07:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Does anybody have their own status.net intance and can subscribe to groups remotely? !identica #lazyweb | May 09 07:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @mwkn: #MeeGo & #Maemo Weekly News for Monday, 9 May 2011 out now: http://www.mwkn.net/ #n900 | May 09 07:40 | |
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| sebsebseb | hi | May 09 07:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !uds we are in the ballroom, where the keynote will be held. 12 minutes to the start. | May 09 07:50 | |
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| *DaemonFC just junked an old computer | May 09 07:55 | |
| DaemonFC | lets all have a moment of silence for my old Emachines W3107 | May 09 07:55 |
| DaemonFC | Motherboard failed, but not forgotten. | May 09 07:55 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 09 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | there's an overabundance of crap in here | May 09 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 09 07:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !uds jono is on the stage... | May 09 07:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] How funny would it be if Shuttleworth announces Ubuntu has been bought by Apple... :) #UDS #SteveNote | May 09 07:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] What will be the great announcement of the keynote? We will know it soon... !uds | May 09 07:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @csmart !Apple violating GPL requirement to release source code for Webkit, again? http://ur1.ca/44exe !Linux !FSF !GNU | May 09 08:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Jono started the keynote | May 09 08:05 | |
| DaemonFC | you know furniture is Sauder....when the only time you can't destroy it is when you're trying to | May 09 08:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Jaromir Jagr is still playing? Fuck me, that is amazing!!! | May 09 08:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] IP terrorism kills freedom. Sad story. http://gigaom.com/video/music-biz-blocks-youtube-video-musician-loses-award/ | May 09 08:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @jwildeboer IP terrorism kills freedom. Sad story. http://gigaom.com/video/music-biz-blocks-youtube-video-musician-loses-award/ | May 09 08:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Net result of http://ur1.ca/44f3p is that the organizers have removed the whole category "Free Music" from next years awards. | May 09 08:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !uds !u mark is on the stage | May 09 08:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Our goal: 200 million users in 4 years. !uds !u | May 09 08:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] my stuff shipped from canada arrives today! finally! i will have my stuff again! :) | May 09 08:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] Plasma Active built for MeeGo! some rough edges remain, but thanks to a heroic weekend effort, there will be packages for the meego conf! | May 09 08:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] It is kind of amazing to me that there still is a MeeGo Conf.... | May 09 08:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Packing my stuff again to leave for Göttingen and #SambaXP. | May 09 08:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @joshix @mo6020 We're bad. Put your sunglasses on. | May 09 08:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] "lottery is a tax on people who can't do math" http://comics.com/zoom/364584/ Quite true, in a way. ;) | May 09 08:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♻ @tante Take a random empty room and slap the badge on it. Instant MeeGo conf. | May 09 08:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] So, what's up at #UDS? Did Shuttleworth announce they are forking the kernel too? | May 09 08:43 | |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu forking the kernel, that would be amusing | May 09 08:45 |
| DaemonFC | if they did as well with that as they did with Unity, it would be a miracle if it even booted at all | May 09 08:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] How to pronounce oneiric | May 09 08:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @mdz Biggest announcement so far at !UDS is how to pronounce Oneiric #ubuntu | May 09 08:46 | |
| DaemonFC | I don't know why Fedora and OpenSuse were trying to copy bad design | May 09 08:47 |
| DaemonFC | possibly just because Ubuntu has it so they have to as well? | May 09 08:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Linaro is one year old... | May 09 08:50 | |
| msb_ | Has anyone forked the kernel? How could they do better than Linux and the kernel team? | May 09 08:51 |
| msb_ | Linux->Linus | May 09 08:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Just used #SoundHound to find Handel Hendrix House by Roberto Cacciapaglia http://bit.ly/imIjal #nowplaying | May 09 08:51 | |
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| DaemonFC | There's the Zen kernel, they carry some stuff that isn't official | May 09 08:52 |
| msb_ | That's for virtualizing? | May 09 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | no | May 09 08:52 |
| DaemonFC | there's a lot of stuff out there that is fairly stable and works well but isn't in the kernel because Linus doesn't agree with it | May 09 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | like Reiser4 or TuxOnIce | May 09 08:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Linaro working on !android and !ubuntu builds | May 09 08:53 | |
| DaemonFC | Linus prefers swsuspend instead, which works on less hardware and not as well | May 09 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | who knows? :) | May 09 08:54 |
| msb_ | So what is Zen? | May 09 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | they carry stuff like that | May 09 08:54 |
| msb_ | Is Zen a distro? | May 09 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | no | May 09 08:55 |
| msb_ | The sound of one hand clapping? | May 09 08:55 |
| msb_ | Two tons of flax? | May 09 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | I don't like software suspend because it means that whether or not your laptop suspends and resumes properly may just depend on which desktop environment you use | May 09 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 09 08:55 |
| DaemonFC | Linus probably likes it because it makes power management more the problem of other people and not Linux | May 09 08:56 |
| DaemonFC | and he can blame udev, HAL, or the stuff in KDE or GNOME that use them | May 09 08:56 |
| DaemonFC | when power management issues happen | May 09 08:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @Better_Software Tra una settimana termina lo sconto Early Bird. Affrettati! http://ow.ly/4GZdl | May 09 08:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ♻ @mdz Biggest announcement so far at !UDS is how to pronounce Oneiric #ubuntu | May 09 08:56 | |
| msb_ | But hardware suspend would just be a bios/firmware procedure, right? | May 09 08:56 |
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| DaemonFC | no, TuxOnIce takes suspend away from userspace utilities and moves it back into the kernel | May 09 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | it makes it possible to use a sort of Hybrid Suspend, like Windows has | May 09 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | like Hibernate, but the system starts back up quicker | May 09 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | and Reiser4 is an advanced file system that isn't in the kernel due mostly to politics and ongoing FUD at this point | May 09 08:58 |
| msb_ | Never having had a laptop I've ignored all this stuff. | May 09 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | Edward Shishken has fixed all the "problems" the kernel maintainers pointed out | May 09 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | and it's still not in :P | May 09 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | laptops are fun | May 09 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | you close the lid and maybe they go to sleep | May 09 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | and maybe they overheat because they didn't shut down | May 09 08:59 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 09 08:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @greve "lottery is a tax on people who can't do math" http://comics.com/zoom/364584/ Quite true, in a way< friend c... http://b1t.it/i3k | May 09 09:00 | |
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| msb_ | So does reiserfs do anything that other fs don't, justifying software from murderer in the kernel? | May 09 09:00 |
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| DaemonFC | of course that can happen on Windows too if the ACPI implementation is broken enough | May 09 09:00 |
| msb_ | Idiot Reiser. | May 09 09:00 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, in fact, there's some features that Reiser4 can't use in Linux because there's no VFS functionality to support them | May 09 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | it could be written, but they are off writing BtrFS from scratch instead | May 09 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | which has severe design problems | May 09 09:01 |
| msb_ | VFS = Virtual File System ? | May 09 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | like running out of inodes and saying the disk is ful when you have 100 GB or more left | May 09 09:01 |
| DaemonFC | yes | May 09 09:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Linaro will support arm15 as soon as it is released. !uds | May 09 09:01 | |
| DaemonFC | the VFS has most of the more generic filesystem functions, so they don't have to be implemented for every file system | May 09 09:02 |
| msb_ | Ah | May 09 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | it's why the XFS driver has gotten so small | May 09 09:03 |
| MinceR | geekings | May 09 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | they've tossed a lot of XFS-specific code and used the VFS instead | May 09 09:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♻ @diritto2punto0 Oggi inizia #forumpa 2011. Potete seguire i principali appuntamenti in streaming all'indirizzo http://bit.ly/k5Lmzk | May 09 09:03 | |
| msb_ | Good evening MinceR | May 09 09:03 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm worn out | May 09 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | I just junked a PC tower | May 09 09:04 |
| msb_ | Owie! | May 09 09:04 |
| DaemonFC | an old computer chair that was badly in need of replacement for some time | May 09 09:04 |
| DaemonFC | and an old comfortor and mattress pad | May 09 09:04 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 09 09:04 |
| *DaemonFC is kind of cheap, but eventually does break down and replace things | May 09 09:05 | |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 09 09:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] The Great Wall of LO is nearly completed: http://alain.sixgun.org/map/?x=245&y=64&z=-379&zoom=-5 !miners | May 09 09:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @mdz #Linaro CEO George Grey lays out the challenges of the ARM Linux ecosystem and how Linaro plans to address them !UDS | May 09 09:05 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | May 09 09:05 |
| msb_ | Wow that's enough to provide someone with an entire life! | May 09 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | I had holes in that comforter that I covered up with iron on denim patches | May 09 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 09 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, I just spent about $300 on bedding today :P | May 09 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | actually, more | May 09 09:06 |
| DaemonFC | my cat is busy sleeping on it and leaving fur there for me | May 09 09:07 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 09 09:07 |
| DaemonFC | but I love him | May 09 09:07 |
| msb_ | Improves the insulation! | May 09 09:07 |
| DaemonFC | iirc, MinceR likes cats | May 09 09:07 |
| DaemonFC | but believes dogs are the Axis of Evil | May 09 09:08 |
| MinceR | indeed | May 09 09:08 |
| msb_ | I quite agree. | May 09 09:08 |
| MinceR | well, i wouldn't say they're the Axis of Evil, they're just monsters created by humans | May 09 09:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] !GNU Compiler Collection has huge impact! ♻ @AJEnglish: Can the GCC play the role of mediator in regional conflicts? http://aje.me/iDl4Pi | May 09 09:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] just found out that the last incomplete wedding issue had already been arranged by the boat company. which means: we're done! | May 09 09:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ♻ @mdz #Linaro CEO George Grey lays out the challenges of the ARM Linux ecosystem and how Linaro plans to address them | May 09 09:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] I need to practice eating my leftovers. | May 09 09:08 | |
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| msb_ | Slobber, smell, shit all over. Yucko! | May 09 09:08 |
| DaemonFC | not all dogs are like that | May 09 09:08 |
| MinceR | also claw | May 09 09:08 |
| DaemonFC | I had an Australian Shepherd | May 09 09:09 |
| MinceR | and randomly attack, terrorize | May 09 09:09 |
| DaemonFC | she was very well behaved | May 09 09:09 |
| MinceR | if they think they have a chance, they'll try to terrorize anyone for a chance of a better standing in the pack, as far as they consider things | May 09 09:09 |
| DaemonFC | the dogs that piss me off are those little ones that bark all the time and jump up on you and scratch the shit out of your legs | May 09 09:09 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 09 09:09 |
| MinceR | plus they randomly learn behavior from humans around them, which is just as bad | May 09 09:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] "What is this Macintosh crap here" -- Kiko @ #UDS-O :D | May 09 09:10 | |
| DaemonFC | my cat knows when I have junk food and pesters me | May 09 09:10 |
| MinceR | they're much worse than wild animals and yet some people insist on keeping them in population centers | May 09 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | that's a learned behavior | May 09 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I wouldn't have any dog that was vicious or annoying | May 09 09:11 |
| msb_ | Wolves may be noble animals somehow, but the are best appreciated from hundreds of miles away, minimum. | May 09 09:11 |
| DaemonFC | I've had a few dogs, and they were good dogs | May 09 09:11 |
| DaemonFC | it's all in the breed | May 09 09:11 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen people with domesticated wolves as pets | May 09 09:11 |
| DaemonFC | and wolf-dog hybrids | May 09 09:12 |
| DaemonFC | and raccoons for that matter | May 09 09:12 |
| DaemonFC | they can be domesticated if they're around humans from an early age | May 09 09:12 |
| msb_ | Until one night they tear the baby's throat out. | May 09 09:13 |
| DaemonFC | My grandmother had a couple raccons in her garage, she has a freezer out there | May 09 09:13 |
| DaemonFC | they got into it and were tossing anything they didn't want behind them | May 09 09:13 |
| DaemonFC | people keep all kinds of weird things as pets | May 09 09:14 |
| msb_ | They have opposable thumbs? | May 09 09:14 |
| DaemonFC | hell if I know | May 09 09:14 |
| DaemonFC | I do know I went camping once and the raccoons stole a bag of oreos | May 09 09:15 |
| DaemonFC | I watched one of them make off with it :/ | May 09 09:15 |
| msb_ | It's the mask. They're just living up to their reputation. | May 09 09:15 |
| DaemonFC | I was thinking "Somewhere out there, there's a sick raccoon next to an empty Oreos bag" | May 09 09:16 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | May 09 09:16 |
| msb_ | A fat raccoon at least. | May 09 09:16 |
| DaemonFC | my cat has gotten so fat, he looks like a raccoon in the dark | May 09 09:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Portugal to Make #CC Licences Illegal? - http://bit.ly/lVHcy7 no more #Wikipedia there? | May 09 09:16 | |
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| DaemonFC | I switched his cat food to one that's supposed to make him lose weight | May 09 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | it's been a couple weeks, and he's still a fat cat | May 09 09:17 |
| DaemonFC | I think the vet cheated me | May 09 09:17 |
| msb_ | Like you said, he's busy sleeping. | May 09 09:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Samsung Galaxy S II pre-orders eclipse 3 million units worldwide - http://tnw.co/iHVvWQ impressive #android | May 09 09:18 | |
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| DaemonFC | the last thing I want is for him to become diabetic | May 09 09:18 |
| DaemonFC | I used to think it was funny to feed him doritos and ice cream | May 09 09:19 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 09 09:19 |
| msb_ | Feed him less. | May 09 09:19 |
| msb_ | Or get him a Speedy Gonzales mouse. | May 09 09:19 |
| MinceR | 101026 < msb_> Wolves may be noble animals somehow, but the are best appreciated from hundreds of miles away, minimum. | May 09 09:20 |
| MinceR | well said | May 09 09:20 |
| DaemonFC | wolves are awesome, they pick off children and the elderly | May 09 09:20 |
| MinceR | 101017 < DaemonFC> MinceR, I wouldn't have any dog that was vicious or annoying | May 09 09:20 |
| MinceR | all dogs are | May 09 09:20 |
| MinceR | you just might not know yet :> | May 09 09:20 |
| DaemonFC | it's rare that a wolf attacks a healthy adult human | May 09 09:21 |
| msb_ | My sister wanted me to read Never Cry Wolf, by Farley Mowat, some wolf guy. I told her I'd watch the movie. | May 09 09:21 |
| DaemonFC | very rare | May 09 09:21 |
| DaemonFC | What you have to look out for in Indiana is these fucking eco-terrorists | May 09 09:22 |
| MinceR | if you have to rely on being (and appearing) a healthy adult human, that should be a hint that you're doing it wrong | May 09 09:22 |
| DaemonFC | they introduced bobcats and coyotes | May 09 09:22 |
| schestowitz | [04:33] <tessier> schestowitz: Everything working well with the server lately? | May 09 09:22 |
| MinceR | do you really want a pet that will tear your throat out the moment you come down with sickness or old age? | May 09 09:22 |
| schestowitz | Yes, been having high loads at times :) | May 09 09:22 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, That's a wolf, I never said I would have a wolf as a pet | May 09 09:23 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 09 09:23 |
| MinceR | dogs have the same tendency | May 09 09:23 |
| DaemonFC | oh, my dog was the most mild mannered dog there ever was | May 09 09:23 |
| MinceR | was it dead? | May 09 09:23 |
| msb_ | Even when they like you they slobber all over you. | May 09 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | she died last year of old age | May 09 09:24 |
| MinceR | well, that's how a dog becomes mild-mannered | May 09 09:24 |
| MinceR | still, they continue to stink after they die | May 09 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | she never bit or snapped or even growled at anyone | May 09 09:24 |
| DaemonFC | and I had her since she was a puppy | May 09 09:24 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] European Commission comes clean on "anti-#piracy" talks - http://bit.ly/iUMLY6 "stakeholder" talks that never include the public | May 09 09:25 | |
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| DaemonFC | I like some dogs, key word is some | May 09 09:25 |
| msb_ | Friends of mine take in stray animals. They took in a dog and it ate one of their cats. | May 09 09:25 |
| MinceR | like i said, they're monsters | May 09 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, People who get Jack Russel Terriers need their head examined | May 09 09:25 |
| DaemonFC | a golden retreiver? that's a good dog | May 09 09:26 |
| msb_ | JRTs are nasty? | May 09 09:26 |
| DaemonFC | they're little, they're hyper, they shit all over the place, they hop up on people and scratch the hell out of them, they nip at you | May 09 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | they're annoying | May 09 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | nobody should keep one of those things as a pet | May 09 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 09 09:27 |
| msb_ | Maybe if you have cockroaches... | May 09 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I got Jabba professionally groomed today | May 09 09:28 |
| msb_ | Jabba is your cat??? | May 09 09:28 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | May 09 09:29 |
| msb_ | No wonder he's fat! | May 09 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | that's why he is Jabba | May 09 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | Rahsa Dabba Goa Nola Wookie Nipple Pinchy! Ho Ho Ho! | May 09 09:29 |
| msb_ | Maybe get him another cat to play with. | May 09 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | Bring me Solo, and a cookie! | May 09 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | landlord would kill me if he found out I had more than one cat | May 09 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | it's on my lease, one cat only | May 09 09:30 |
| MinceR | have Jabba kill him | May 09 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | and I'm his only tenant that's allowed to have a cat | May 09 09:30 |
| msb_ | Just what I was thinking! | May 09 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | because I told him I'd just find a landlord who let me keep Jabba, because I wasn't moving anywhere without him | May 09 09:31 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 09 09:31 |
| msb_ | Amazing how many landlords are evil. | May 09 09:31 |
| msb_ | Not that yours is necessarily. | May 09 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | evil, cheap | May 09 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | sends their son out to install things backwards | May 09 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | using duct tape | May 09 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | with a cigarette hanging out of the corner of his mouth | May 09 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 09 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | yes, mine is evil | May 09 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | even before the hating cats part | May 09 09:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] Even though I am getting much more involved with other #distros and one #distro in particular, !Ubuntu 's #UDS remotely for me again :)! | May 09 09:33 | |
| msb_ | Leave Jabba with friends for a week and get a cougar. Still just one cat. | May 09 09:34 |
| msb_ | Finish off the landlord and his backward son. | May 09 09:34 |
| MinceR | lol | May 09 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | May 09 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | a "cat" you say? | May 09 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't specify the breed | May 09 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | :D | May 09 09:35 |
| msb_ | I was in the healthfood store today and a woman came in with a bird on her head. Looked like a mini-parrot. She said it was a conyer or something like that. | May 09 09:35 |
| MinceR | or even the species | May 09 09:36 |
| msb_ | Funny thing was, her hair looked like a nest. | May 09 09:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] SchoolOS Digital Library - https://sourceforge.net/projects/schooloslibrary/files/v1.0/ | May 09 09:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] European Commission comes clean on "anti-#piracy" talks - http://bit.ly/iUMLY6 "stakeholder" talks that never include the public | May 09 09:38 | |
| msb_ | I had a cat once, that when I moved a door and it pushed a cardboard box on the floor the cat sprang upward two feet in the air. | May 09 09:38 |
| msb_ | Must have sounded like something big hissing. | May 09 09:39 |
| MinceR | :> | May 09 09:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Off to Göttingen. | May 09 09:40 | |
| msb_ | It was one of two sister cats. One day one of them was sleeping on the couch and her sister snuck up and pounced on her! | May 09 09:40 |
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| msb_ | Just for fun. | May 09 09:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Open Data: UK Engineering and Physical Sciences Research Council Adopts EPSRC Policy Framework - http://bit.ly/ioz34e #opendata | May 09 09:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] oh look kmem russian roulette! dd if=/dev/urandom of=/dev/kmem bs=1 count=1 seek=$RANDOM http://bash.org/?926695 !linux !gnu !ubuntu !debian | May 09 09:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] At the !unity 2d session. !uds | May 09 09:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Explaining to americans why they are americans wrt nationality/Demonym. #ignoranceIsBliss | May 09 09:51 | |
| msb_ | My favorite song: http://cosmicpenguin.com/tmp/Jefferson-Airplane--When-the-Earth-Moves-Again--Bark.mp3 | May 09 09:52 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Ok, bugger this, i'm gonna use identi.ca. can't get sttus.net to work properly, looks like a complete reinstall jobby :( | May 09 09:55 | |
| schestowitz | Heh. I'm quoted in this article http://universe.byu.edu/node/15863 | May 09 09:56 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @gotunandan I'd have taken the Nexus S (super amoled !!!). But I would personally wait right now and go for Galaxy S 2 or HTC Sensation | May 09 09:58 | |
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| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/73012605 | May 09 10:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 09-May-11 09:01:53 UTC - Identi.ca: @goforbes28 I'm finishing the "How Windows is used to suppress activists" article since it's undone for days now | May 09 10:02 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: That's a very good article. Descriptions of the layoffs, and then the CEO saying "we believe this is great news.” | May 09 10:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @goforbes28 I'm finishing the "How Windows is used to suppress activists" article since it's undone for days now | May 09 10:03 | |
| msb_ | schestowitz: If thoughts could kill, that guy would be in Hell right now! | May 09 10:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Unicode with Latex - http://aravindavk.in/view/kannada_in_latex | May 09 10:06 | |
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| MinceR | finally, you can do Look Of Disapproval in LaTeX ;) | May 09 10:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @jwildeboer: @sandersch Read the comments, exp. the red one ;-) http://i.imgur.com/dK29N.png | May 09 10:08 | |
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| msb_ | MinceR: What is Look Of Disapproval? | May 09 10:12 |
| MinceR | msb_: this: | May 09 10:13 |
| MinceR | ಠ_ಠ | May 09 10:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Radical #copyright law reform to boost #Ireland’s digital economy? - http://bit.ly/lhphS2 but how radical? (v @StelfoxIT @copyrightgirl) | May 09 10:13 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Radical copyright law reform to boost Ireland’s digital economy? - New Media - New Media | siliconrepublic.com - Ireland's Technology News Service .::. Size~: 69 KB | May 09 10:13 |
| msb_ | I see two squares and an underscore. Looks more neutral to me than disapproving. | May 09 10:14 |
| msb_ | Am I seeing it right? Should those squares be something else? | May 09 10:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Mobile Web & Application Best Practices 8-w online course early bird rate ends 20 May. 150+ already enrolled, more welcome! http://kwz.me/NK | May 09 10:15 | |
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| MinceR | it should be a certain Kannada character instead of the squares | May 09 10:15 |
| MinceR | msb_: http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/%E0%B2%A0%E0%B2%A0-look-of-disapproval | May 09 10:17 |
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| msb_ | That one I can see! Thanks. | May 09 10:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Keyboard shortcuts will be maintained in sync "manually" in !unity 3D and 2D by way of good documentation shared between the teams. !uds | May 09 10:23 | |
| schestowitz | [10:03] <msb_> schestowitz: That's a very good article. Descriptions of the layoffs, and then the CEO saying "we believe this is great news.h | May 09 10:24 |
| schestowitz | Hovsepian? | May 09 10:24 |
| schestowitz | He got $6 million in bonuses every year I think | May 09 10:24 |
| schestowitz | ?_? | May 09 10:24 |
| schestowitz | Odd. | May 09 10:25 |
| schestowitz | I think my charset changed | May 09 10:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @q4td “Your mobile phone has more computing power than all of NASA in 1969. NASA launched a man to the moon. We launch a bird into pi ... | May 09 10:25 | |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Jeff Hawn, CEO | May 09 10:26 |
| schestowitz | Ha | May 09 10:26 |
| schestowitz | !google jeff hawn kills bison | May 09 10:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Austin Man Due in Court for Bison Slaying ( Jeff Hawn ) | http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2098689/posts | May 09 10:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Attachmate CEO charged with killing 32 bison | Venture Capital ... | http://blog.seattlepi.com/venture/2008/05/09/attachmate-ceo-charged-with-killing-32-bison/ | May 09 10:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - 10 days in jail for bison killings - The Denver Post | http://www.denverpost.com/ci_11576537 | May 09 10:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Attachmate CEO Jeff Hawn faces sentencing in bison slaying case | http://www.techflash.com/seattle/2009/01/Attachmate_CEO_Jeff_Hawn_faces_sentencing_in_bison_slaying_case38521322.html | May 09 10:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | INTO PIGS DAMNIT | May 09 10:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | INTO | May 09 10:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | PIGS | May 09 10:26 |
| MinceR | wut | May 09 10:26 |
| schestowitz | WTH? | May 09 10:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | [05:24:30] -TRIdentica/#techrights- [wildcard/@wildcard] RT @q4td “Your mobile phone has more computing power than all of NASA in 1969. NASA launched a man to the moon. We launch a bird into pi ... | May 09 10:26 |
| schestowitz | I had Japanese set for fonts | May 09 10:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | PIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIIGGGGGGGSSSSSS | May 09 10:26 |
| schestowitz | No idea why it changed | May 09 10:27 |
| MinceR | :) | May 09 10:27 |
| schestowitz | ಠ_ಠ | May 09 10:27 |
| schestowitz | back to utf | May 09 10:27 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: Your remark about Microsoft was right on! | May 09 10:27 |
| schestowitz | just thought sending out the warning to others was important | May 09 10:27 |
| schestowitz | she asked me for comments | May 09 10:27 |
| msb_ | Didn't MS totally steal some company's disk encryption system that the company demo'ed for MS? | May 09 10:29 |
| MinceR | sounds like them | May 09 10:29 |
| schestowitz | That's their modus operandi, even in the i4i case | May 09 10:29 |
| schestowitz | they want to be 'partners' | May 09 10:29 |
| schestowitz | Then they get inside and see what to copy | May 09 10:29 |
| MinceR | they did it to Stacker too, iirc | May 09 10:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Proprietary Software Against Civil Rights http://is.gd/L7jbMR #windows #microsoft #nsa #privacy #activism | May 09 10:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Proprietary Software Against Civil Rights http://is.gd/L7jbMR #bbc #gamma #egypt #eavesdropping #civilrights #gnu #linux | May 09 10:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Mozilla building on Firefox's dominant share in #Indonesia - http://bit.ly/irymsd currently running at massive 75 to 80 percent | May 09 10:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] As a FYI - URIs with a #! in them (twitter, eg) are NOT URIs. They are fragmented crap that abuse the standard. | May 09 10:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @glynmoody Mozilla building on Firefox's dominant share in #Indonesia - http://bit.ly/irymsd currently running at massive 75 to 80 percent | May 09 10:33 | |
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| msb_ | KDE4 messed up, Sax2 dropped causing display problems for many, pulseaudio and phonon made the default over alsa when they don't work with lots of systems. All done by Novell after it partnered with Microsoft. | May 09 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | Sax2 caused display problems | May 09 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 09 10:34 |
| msb_ | I used to be able t recommend Suse to people without reservation. Now I don't know what to tell them. | May 09 10:34 |
| msb_ | The lack of Sax2 prevents many people from setting their display resolution properly. | May 09 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | both ATI and Nvidia have control panels that can do that | May 09 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | and as far as I know, the native KDE applet works for all the open source drivers | May 09 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | Sax2 was more distro NIH crap | May 09 10:36 |
| msb_ | DaemonFC: What do you mean? | May 09 10:37 |
| msb_ | It always worked great for me. | May 09 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | dropping Sax2 isn't the problem, the lack of good autoyast support for proprietary drivers + shipping ancient Mesa and free drivers is what makes video drivers work bad or not at all in OpenSuse 11.4 | May 09 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | Sax2 is not really needed | May 09 10:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @jwildeboer As a FYI - URIs with a #! in them (twitter, eg) are NOT URIs. They are fragmented crap that abuse the standard. | May 09 10:38 | |
| MinceR | xrandr works too (from command line) | May 09 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | getting rid of it lets the user figure out that they are supposed to use their card driver's setup program | May 09 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | which usually works right | May 09 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | I think OpenSuse 11.4 is still shipping Mesa 7.9 | May 09 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | which is unreasonable | May 09 10:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Unity lenses will both work in 2D and 3D !uds | May 09 10:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !unity 3D settings now in ccsm to move to gsettings !uds | May 09 10:40 | |
| DaemonFC | 7.10 was out and stable well in time for OpenSuse 11.4, and because they went with 7.9 instead, a lot of cards have no 3d support at all | May 09 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | even when they would in 7.10 | May 09 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | They also ship the ATI 6.13.1 driver, when 6.14 was out and supports Evergreen cards a lot better | May 09 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 09 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | boo | May 09 10:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Moving !Unity 2D to Compiz from Metacity: compiz can run on diffferent backends, including non accelerated ones, even based on QPainter !uds | May 09 10:41 | |
| DaemonFC | they're way too conservative when it comes to versions of major components | May 09 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | they still manage to have a lot of bugs but they ALSO don't support a lot of new-ish hardware | May 09 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | what a deal! | May 09 10:42 |
| msb_ | Sax2 filled in a lot of gaps when setup programs didn't work or monitors had unusual resolutions. There's nothing wrong with having multiple ways to do the same thing. | May 09 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | The quality of Suse releases has been getting steadily worse | May 09 10:43 |
| msb_ | Yes. | May 09 10:43 |
| MinceR | which is quite a feat | May 09 10:44 |
| MinceR | :> | May 09 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | what was hilarious was when they were competing with AIGLX and only allowed XGL by default | May 09 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | even though it didn't run well on anything and didn't run at all on a lot of cards | May 09 10:44 |
| schestowitz | [10:34] <msb_> I used to be able t recommend Suse to people without reservation. Now I don't know what to tell them. | May 09 10:44 |
| schestowitz | pclinuxos | May 09 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | XGL itself might run well, but even if that happens, load a game | May 09 10:45 |
| msb_ | Running xrandr after the DE is already up and objects are already sized doesn't do what's needed. | May 09 10:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @supertunaman: We're pleased to announce #FRAMED – A Platform for New Art Forms. By THA, A-Study, and Openmoko. Visit: http://frm.fm. | May 09 10:45 | |
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| DaemonFC | hope you like a 90% performance drop | May 09 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | XGL might have worked if every program that uses OpenGL was patched to account for XGL being in use | May 09 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | (yeah....) | May 09 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | XGL was sort of doing for X what Unity does for desktop environments | May 09 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | as long as you're willing to patch hundreds of applications, the inidcator scheme may work a little better | May 09 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | but there's always going to be a lot of things that never work right | May 09 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | XGL and Unity are the kind of shit you get when something is designed behind closed doors with no community input | May 09 10:47 |
| MinceR | the indicator scheme won't work better | May 09 10:48 |
| MinceR | they're trying to dictate what is allowed to use it | May 09 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | I'm saying in theory it could | May 09 10:48 |
| MinceR | they shoehorn multiple apps into one icon | May 09 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | just like in theory XGL coule work better than AIGLX | May 09 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | if the whole world changes to suit them | May 09 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | :P | May 09 10:48 |
| MinceR | and i don't even think it's consistent with the GUI in general | May 09 10:48 |
| MinceR | (right click to menu is correct) | May 09 10:48 |
| MinceR | indicator crapplets only make things worse, not better | May 09 10:48 |
| MinceR | even if you don't count that everything has to be rewritten to support it | May 09 10:49 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: DaemonFC Ubuntu Hype week | May 09 10:49 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: ^ | May 09 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, A lot of apps don't support it at all | May 09 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | and a lot of apps that do support it have broken support for it | May 09 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I call it the indicator crapplet | May 09 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | the state it is in now hasn't improved much since it was introduced | May 09 10:50 |
| MinceR | my point is that it's ill-conceived anyway | May 09 10:51 |
| MinceR | it's a crApple-ish attempt to break things and assume control | May 09 10:51 |
| MinceR | make it look and behave differently | May 09 10:51 |
| MinceR | and tell others what they're allowed to do | May 09 10:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] I hate (this is the right word) .docx and its implementation in Libreoffice. A simple document becomes a nightmare. #WTF | May 09 10:56 | |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Obey! | May 09 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | errr, I mean cooperate | May 09 10:57 |
| MinceR | :> | May 09 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | follow glorious leader to prosperity! | May 09 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | (and keep following, it could happen any time now) | May 09 10:57 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pv5jLsLoYcE | May 09 11:00 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] interview with Peter Troxler about #OpenDesign and Fab Labs - http://bit.ly/imyBVb interesting comments from practitioner (v @remixtures) | May 09 11:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] RT @floeff Who is a member of The Document Foundation already? http://www.documentfoundation.org/foundation/members/ !libo !tdf | May 09 11:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] As @fabsh always points out, applications that are made default in Ubuntu now, are already in Fedora for 6 months or more. eg: deja dup | May 09 11:03 | |
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| DaemonFC | Wine runs HALO now, with the free radeon drivers no less | May 09 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | the only passable game to ever run on the XBOX | May 09 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | (which of course also makes it a Platinum Hit) | May 09 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | :) | May 09 11:05 |
| *DaemonFC circles MinceR's base running him over repeatedly with the Warthog | May 09 11:06 | |
| DaemonFC | isn't this fun? :) | May 09 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | We could play Halo 2 for Vista if you want, it lets you score hits even if you miss! | May 09 11:07 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft is lucky they're only really competing with Sony | May 09 11:09 |
| DaemonFC | you get your choice of bad and worse (and I never can tell which is which) | May 09 11:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Irish Job Minister: “#Copyright Monopoly Is Bad For Our Businesses & Economy” - http://bit.ly/ksp6BA "unthinkable just 2 years ago" #ireland | May 09 11:10 | |
| DaemonFC | oh well, if the only thing PS3 and XBOX 360 do is keep all the idiots away from the Wii, I'm happy | May 09 11:10 |
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| DaemonFC | the last thing I want is for Nintendo to be pressured into releasing consoles with an 86% failure rate with mediocre games that make you buy the other half of the game online B-) | May 09 11:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] at the !UbuntuOne session !uds | May 09 11:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] New blag post: I don't have a problem http://ur1.ca/44gr7 | May 09 11:11 | |
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| DaemonFC | Ubuntu Developer Summit | May 09 11:12 |
| DaemonFC | is this where the Design Daleks go to figure out where all the remaining good software is and EXTERMINATE? | May 09 11:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 148 million downloads on 2011-05-09 10:12 UTC | May 09 11:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] Hmm from !listening to one !Ubuntu #UDS session online, to another that I am also not really interested in! | May 09 11:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] "it is in the nature of poetry to lend itself to innovation" - http://bit.ly/iS0td7 more thoughts on "radical copyright law reform" | May 09 11:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] the question of the !ubuntuone session is: how to collaborate on files !uds | May 09 11:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Awh, ur1.ca janked my URL. http://rix.si/index.php/I_Don't_Have_A_Problem | May 09 11:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Awh, ur1.ca janked my URL. http://rix.si/index.php/I_Don't_Have_a_Problem | May 09 11:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] I guess he wanted to step out for a cigarette. </sarcasm> http://ur1.ca/44h0r | May 09 11:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Omg! Ubuntu! : !Firefox to remain the default browser in !Ubuntu 11.10 #uds http://bit.ly/l6l2vd | May 09 11:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Please join us in welcoming our newest member, Ixonos! http://bit.ly/mMF5gQ #linux | May 09 11:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] So in that last story, we have a Gossip Mag, the @mailonline, moaning about another Gossip getting things wrong. That's funny | May 09 11:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] ♺ @glynmoody: Irish Job Minister: “#Copyright Monopoly Is Bad For Our Businesses & Economy” - http://bit.ly/ksp6BA "unthinkable 2 years ago" | May 09 11:45 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] TalkTalk may give customers the option of filtering malicious or offensive material out of their broadband service http://bit.ly/iv5Kzm | May 09 11:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] In a world of decentralization and federation, intellectual monopolies (copyright, patents) look like outdated relics from the past. | May 09 11:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] It has to be said, there a lot of Canonical refugees at the moment. This story at THINQhttp://bit.ly/jhzrGy | May 09 11:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @silner Omg! Ubuntu! : !Firefox to remain the default browser in !Ubuntu 11.10 #uds http://bit.ly/l6l2vd | May 09 11:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] #mustread http://ur1.ca/44h3h cc @neeliekroeseu @ccbuhr @jimmyschulz @marietjed66 | May 09 11:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tuxradar/@tuxradar] Your views wanted for our podcast open ballot: what is Linux's killer feature? http://tinyurl.com/3sebpnz | May 09 11:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Interesting. My horizontal brag layout looks fine in MicroB, but fails in !Firefox 4 Mobile. !n900 | May 09 12:05 | |
| MinceR | the coward has run away | May 09 12:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Financial Ties Bind Medical Societies to Drug and Device Makers - http://bit.ly/mrzEVd this is not a good idea | May 09 12:06 | |
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| *MinceR unpacks a Leviathan near the entrance and waits for DaemonFC | May 09 12:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] House GOP mark #BP spill anniversary with rush for new drilling - http://bit.ly/kQpCAa this stuff is a crime against the environment #energy | May 09 12:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Courts that issue {hyper,super} injunctions should be shamed as totalitarian regimes IMHO. cc @methoddan | May 09 12:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Google releases Honeycomb-optimized Google Earth, other apps coming soon http://bit.ly/ksHT2J | May 09 12:45 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google releases Honeycomb optimized Google Earth other apps - Online Best Latest Price Reviews | Features in India .::. Size~: 115.8 KB | May 09 12:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jordigh/@jordigh] On the final leg of my trip home after the !sagemath conference. | May 09 12:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @laurelrusswurm: "Dear Users of the AnonOps Network," http://message.anonops.in/ (via @carwinb) - heads up Anonymous | May 09 12:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Postscript to Singapore Elections http://t.co/rF2syi6 via @globalvoices #sgelection | May 09 12:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @BarrettBrownLOL: Why #Anonymous should decentralize into loose network of small, secure groups: http://message.anonops.in/ | May 09 12:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !OpenSource Reddit : Apple does not publish required source code... no surprise http://bit.ly/kO3R29 « not providing LGPL webkit source | May 09 13:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Destructoid : PlayStation Network to return by May 31 http://bit.ly/iLulJf « How many times has that date been pushed back now? | May 09 13:05 | |
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| *MinceR wonders what's the point of using bit.ly for a reddit url | May 09 13:05 | |
| MinceR | redd.it isn't short enough? | May 09 13:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Good Assange Cambridge WikiLeaks talk released (video) http://is.gd/G6IS3R | May 09 13:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Aewesome! http://libreprojects.net/ | May 09 13:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] The reason why the rearview mirror is small and the windshield is big. Where you're headed is more important than what you have left behind. | May 09 13:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] WP Press Release -http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/05/lets-strive-towards-a-first-world-parliament-wp/ #sgelection | May 09 13:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Linux.com !KDE SC 4.6.3 Released with Various Bug Fixes http://bit.ly/lbKlbR | May 09 13:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Great thank you note from NSP's Nicole Seah - http://theonlinecitizen.com/2011/05/thank-you-letter-from-nicole-seah/ #sgelection | May 09 13:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Frühling, Sommer, Herbst, Winter - und das sind nur di enatürlichen Feinde der #Bahn! http://ur1.ca/44hq0 | May 09 13:10 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Schwitzen im ICE: Bahn hat Klimaanlagen-Problem noch nicht gelöst - SPIEGEL ONLINE - Nachrichten - Reise .::. Size~: 56.13 KB | May 09 13:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] London, May 10: WikiLeaks to be awarded Sydney Peace Foundation Medal 4 courage http://is.gd/M2Rdqd | May 09 13:11 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Can #superinjunctions survive the internet? - http://bit.ly/kjCJuW good summary of an unfolding story #uk | May 09 13:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ♺ @glynmoody: Can #superinjunctions survive the internet? - http://bit.ly/kjCJuW good summary of an unfolding story #uk | May 09 13:25 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Can superinjunctions survive the internet? « Heather Brooke .::. Size~: 12.84 KB | May 09 13:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] ♺ @x1101: @jwildeboer and enemies of the very people/laws they are sworn to protect/uphold < Full ACK, time to protest? | May 09 13:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] La Nacion (Costa Rica): EUA: ‘la justicia se compra y se vende en Nicaragua’ | http://is.gd/GGkwb6 | May 09 13:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @richslxh @reality s/bloroll/blogroll/g | May 09 13:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Phoronix : Don't Look For SystemD On !Ubuntu Anytime Soon http://bit.ly/iFQ8TZ | May 09 13:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The Consumerist : #Sony: Our #Security Was Up To Date http://bit.ly/mDBUW7 | May 09 13:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] P Nev to G Nev : u should host top of the pops! G Nev to P Nev: ! Id rather host 'Top of the League' !mufc | May 09 13:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] SecurityWeek RSS Feed : Network Firewall Vendors Address #TCP Split Handshake #Vulnerability 1090 at http://bit.ly/jmBf2a | May 09 13:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Things are defintely rifting. No Wayland on !Fedora; No System D on !Ubuntu - it's more like root and branching than forking | May 09 13:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Phoronix : Just Announced: !Qt 5 To Be Released Next Year http://bit.ly/kT3AJP | May 09 13:45 | |
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| GoForbes28 | hi schestowitz: | May 09 13:48 |
| GoForbes28 | You didn't really have to credit me with the latest article, I was busy all weekend and didn't get the opportunity to really get involved | May 09 13:49 |
| GoForbes28 | Sorry about that | May 09 13:49 |
| GoForbes28 | *credit me in | May 09 13:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @jwildeboer: @x1101 Here's a plan: all UK citizens file 4 their own super injunction. On the same day. At the same court. #flashmob | May 09 13:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @hayleycampbelly: RT @ApocalypseHow: How wrong is it that we honor our mothers by bringing them embryos in bed? | May 09 13:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Carqueija rice, at O Cortiço, Viseu, Portugal. http://ur1.ca/44i1b | May 09 14:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Designing open collaboration in Red Hat Global Support Services by @samfw | http://red.ht/mbg6K9 #hackmanagement #silos | May 09 14:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #ScottishGas are incompetent wankers who don't want customers, blog post coming later | May 09 14:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Thoughts about QT 5 from Nokia http://lwn.net/Articles/442023/rss | May 09 14:03 | |
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| GoForbes28 | roy? | May 09 14:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Dear lazyweb - looking for a UK lawyer that can spell out the process of getting a {super, hyper} injunction - any pointers? | May 09 14:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Installing Gpodder. Thought I could manage with Liferea, but I couldn't slim down my podcasts enough, still grabbing 25 | May 09 14:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] greasemonkey/jquery #bugzilla mash-up for qa work is almost done #work; preparing to move from xml to json to communicate internally. | May 09 14:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] backend is refactored to only 20% of the code. but started experimenting with #node.js... I am sure I can replace #PHP completely! | May 09 14:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] "Life is async" | May 09 14:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @mlinksva RT @glynmoody Irish Job Minister: “#Copyright Monopoly Is Bad For Our Businesses & Economy” - http://bit.ly/ksp6BA "unthink ... | May 09 14:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Back from the lunch. The session I wanted to attend from 15:00 (Free Culture Showcase) has been canceled... :( | May 09 14:21 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Hanging out with @bkuhn at #SambaXP. | May 09 14:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Dear domainregrenew [dot] com. You are a #SCAM. | May 09 14:30 | |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: hi | May 09 14:30 |
| schestowitz | no worries | May 09 14:30 |
| schestowitz | thanks fot the opening paragraph | May 09 14:30 |
| schestowitz | let me know how it progresses usually, I didn't know if I could edit | May 09 14:31 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: wanna do a few now? | May 09 14:31 |
| schestowitz | I typed 5 posts down at the gym | May 09 14:31 |
| schestowitz | drafts | May 09 14:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] What the heck is going on at #UDS? Any news? Where is #OMGfailBuntu when you need them?? | May 09 14:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] As a rule, I don't like families. I prefer groups of people who choose each others company. !gop | May 09 14:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @Asher_Wolf @sethmnookin: #WSJ says uploaders to its Wikileaks-esque site must own #copyright to docs ht.ly/4PSIH >>clueless much? | May 09 14:33 | |
| GoForbes28 | I would like to accept any repercussions for my inactions here | May 09 14:33 |
| GoForbes28 | I should have tried harder | May 09 14:34 |
| GoForbes28 | I am disappointed with myself | May 09 14:34 |
| GoForbes28 | It would make me feel better if you removed the credits from that article | May 09 14:35 |
| GoForbes28 | I believe in reasonable effort for fair credit | May 09 14:35 |
| GoForbes28 | and I don't believe I put in that level of effort this time | May 09 14:36 |
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| Viper550 | I noticed a little error in the stepmania post | May 09 14:36 |
| GoForbes28 | the what post? | May 09 14:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @conservancy: RedMonk has an article about #Selenium joining #Conservancy. http://ur1.ca/44i4l | May 09 14:36 | |
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| Viper550 | on the recent news | May 09 14:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] ♺ @gbraad backend is refactored to only 20% of the code. but started experimenting with #node.js... I am sure I can replace #PHP completely! | May 09 14:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Some interesting GNOME Shell extensions http://lwn.net/Articles/442030/rss | May 09 14:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @copyrightgirl Google News ruling: they ruled it is not a 'passive intermediary' & took issue with cached pages linking to news articles | May 09 14:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] XKCD: Marie Curie http://xkcd.com/896/ | May 09 14:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] When in front of a hostile audience, you should begin by addressing them as "gentlemen". Opening with an insult puts them off guard. !gop | May 09 14:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @ubuntuone We’re making some changes to mobile contacts sync http://bit.ly/lTM9oZ | May 09 14:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] A software prototype for translating financial reports from the XBRL format into the OWL language (SemWeb): http://bit.ly/lHTy0G | May 09 14:50 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Consuming XBRL Financial Information: Semantic Web Prototype App Aims To Make It Easier, Faster, Automatic — And Socially Connected - semanticweb.com .::. Size~: 33.05 KB | May 09 14:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Conde Nast to offer iPad subscriptions for The New Yorker, Wired, six other magazines by month's end (Engadget): http://engt.co/kE9WNr | May 09 14:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Oracle starts work on MySQL 5.6 (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/mBJ3jA | May 09 14:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Steve Jobs On The Difference Between A Vice President And A Janitor (Business Insider): http://read.bi/jhMFGy | May 09 15:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] Despite the author's express intent, DFW's The Pale King's Author's Forward leaves me acutely titty-pinched. #agonizinglyinfluenced | May 09 15:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] Qt5 cometh! http://2tu.us/3bmy | May 09 15:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] At the cleaning up startup applications session... | May 09 15:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Threat of #Mono on Android and on #Ubuntu is Not Totally Gone Yet http://is.gd/LBJfft | May 09 15:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] New Blog Post | #ScottishGas Don't Want Customers http://is.gd/qcGauK | May 09 15:06 | |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Got the head set now :) | May 09 15:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] The Threat of !Mono on Android and on !Ubuntu is Not Totally Gone Yet http://is.gd/LBJfft #swpats #android #linux #gnu #tomboy | May 09 15:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Contact Sync is dead! Long live Contact Sync! (later this year, for now ... erm ... well ...) http://ur1.ca/44ifd #UbuntuOne | May 09 15:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] AMD and Coreboot http://lwn.net/Articles/442042/rss | May 09 15:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Journalist or not? Wrong question (Dave Winer): http://bit.ly/imEW5c (via @techmeme) | May 09 15:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] El PRO quiere imponer la censura en internet - http://bit.ly/jCbRiJ #argentina's censorship in the name of copyright (v @beabusaniche) | May 09 15:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Manchester, Manchester !United, A bunch of bouncing Busby babes, They deserve to be knighted. | May 09 15:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Copyright Maximalists Come Out Against New TLDs Because It Creates 'More Space' For Infringement - http://bit.ly/lxDTcQ if new, then bad | May 09 15:33 | |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: nice | May 09 15:34 |
| schestowitz | wanna record now? | May 09 15:34 |
| schestowitz | I think tim wants to be on at the same time | May 09 15:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ann Arbor library acquires lending, sharing and copying rights to Creative Commons music catalog - http://bit.ly/kHFa2W interesting #cc | May 09 15:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Season of Renames http://is.gd/SBY0UF #sco #novell #UnXis #unix #tsg #linux #mono #attachmate #microsoft #attachMSFT #suse | May 09 15:36 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Season of Renames http://is.gd/SBY0UF #sco #novell #UnXis #unix #tsg #linux #mono #attachmate #microsoft #opensuse | May 09 15:36 | |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: no not now | May 09 15:37 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: 1. I got it, but not set it up 2. I am listening to some of the Ubuntu Developer SUmmit stuff | May 09 15:38 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah | May 09 15:38 |
| sebsebseb | 3. I am not in a rush to record anyway | May 09 15:38 |
| sebsebseb | 4. probably for some other reasons today isn't really the best day as well, and so on | May 09 15:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Best iFixit teardown ever: FBI tracking bug - http://bit.ly/k9Rw56 clever: expose what they don't want exposed, and they might think twice | May 09 15:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] I feel very sleepy... I need #caffeine | May 09 15:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] Just backed the Arduino Project Board project on kickstarter. Just $10 for a really useful reward! http://kck.st/lgoC76 | May 09 15:45 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #TalkTalk offers centralised website blocking http://is.gd/wCw2dt with horrendous customer service, this will just add to their popularity | May 09 15:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] #Apple Makes Free/Open Source Software Look Bad, Illegal http://is.gd/3POKf8 #mac #opensource #webkit #kde #khtml #licensing #swpats | May 09 15:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Apple Makes Free/Open Source Software Look Bad, Illegal http://is.gd/3POKf8 #freesoftware #browser #security #hypeOS | May 09 15:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Starting the clock on DMCA takedown for ifixit's FBI tracking device teardown ... http://ur1.ca/44iqe #SaveThatPage | May 09 15:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana Well, she said it wasn't Canonical... | May 09 15:50 | |
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| schestowitz | !google microsoft florian | May 09 15:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - How Microsoft Florian 'Cooks' Spin | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/04/16/how-mobbyists-operate/ | May 09 15:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - It's SCO Tactics All Over Again: Microsoft Florian Caught Lying ... | http://techrights.org/2011/01/22/boosting-vista-phony-7-with-lies/ | May 09 15:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - The Provenance of Florian Müller – Updated | http://madhatter.ca/2011/01/26/the-provenance-of-florian-muller/ | May 09 15:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Oops: No copied Java code or weapons of mass destruction found in ... | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/burnette/oops-no-copied-java-code-or-weapons-of-mass-destruction-found-in-android/2162 | May 09 15:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] BTW - my pix are never photoshopped. They might be #gimped ;-) #FreeIsBetter | May 09 15:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Advanced animations in Aurora with CSS3 Animations http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/05/advanced-animations-in-aurora-with-css3-animations/ | May 09 15:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @fabsh Same question which you failed to ask. | May 09 15:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Mint #XFCE was a disaster on the netbook, far too clunky to be usable sadly :( I'm now installing #Crunchbang | May 09 15:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] catherinelim.sg » How GE 2011 proved me—oh, so wonderfully!—wrong http://bit.ly/kthA28 #sgelection | May 09 15:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Pirate Bay: “The Battle of Internets is About to Begin” - http://bit.ly/llKs5w the War on Sharing has been underway for a while | May 09 16:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Android überholt Apple iOS in Deutschland - http://bit.ly/jaQnii #android ahead of iPhone in #Germany too | May 09 16:01 | |
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| GoForbes28 | http://profit.ndtv.com/news/show/apple-topples-google-as-worlds-most-valuable-brand-153218 | May 09 16:04 |
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| GoForbes28 | Yeah, they do make very good kool-aid | May 09 16:05 |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo-D3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pjzpx_jUUA0 | May 09 16:06 |
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| Diablo-D3 | what the fuck | May 09 16:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | jeremy has hair! | May 09 16:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Outing myself (as I've already done): I've passively observed #Harmony drafters; #Chatham_House_Rule prevents saying more #Harmonygate | May 09 16:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fontana we have already proposed Statham House Rules for #Harmony - Put up or get hurt ;-) http://ur1.ca/44iw2 | May 09 16:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Revisit the question of the 700MiB CD limit !uds !ubuntu | May 09 16:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana There was a lot I failed to ask. I did give my best though and I'm totally happy to discuss some more with you on the show. | May 09 16:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] #IBM and #Google Still Not Committed to Crushing Software Patents http://is.gd/5M5VQK #swpats #policy #nortel #oin #linux #foss | May 09 16:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] IBM and Google Still Not Committed to Crushing Software Patents http://is.gd/5M5VQK #uspto #monopoly #law #patents #redhat | May 09 16:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] As British as Raspberry Pi? - http://bit.ly/lRTc9e could a BBC Micro 2.0 save school tech teaching, & revitalise the hi-tech sector? #uk | May 09 16:31 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU agency sued for #transparency on #toxic chemicals - http://bit.ly/iDzzQ4 commercial confidentiality trumps public safety, it seems | May 09 16:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana Believe me, I tried.... @allisonrandal has uncanny powers, I tell you.... ;) | May 09 16:38 | |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: interview, BBL | May 09 16:41 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Ziggo MODEM nog steeds niet geleverd, balen als een stekker :-( | May 09 16:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @fabsh I know, I just didn't think powers of @allisonrandal would work on you #sigh | May 09 16:41 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: What kind of questions would you ask me for Techbytes by the way? | May 09 16:42 |
| schestowitz | about the distro | May 09 16:43 |
| sebsebseb | that's the thing | May 09 16:43 |
| sebsebseb | I can't really say much about it | May 09 16:43 |
| schestowitz | I know you don't want personal quuestion | May 09 16:43 |
| sebsebseb | that's what the other guy would be on for | May 09 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Cool | May 09 16:43 |
| schestowitz | I remember how we first met here | May 09 16:43 |
| schestowitz | I thought you trolled us | May 09 16:43 |
| sebsebseb | I can say like about me and distro's, what I used and when and why, and how I ended up in #boycottnovell even yeah | May 09 16:44 |
| sebsebseb | and | May 09 16:44 |
| schestowitz | Cause you pasted to Bruce something about Penguin Pete's rant | May 09 16:44 |
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| schestowitz | Not sure if that was Bruce Byfield | May 09 16:44 |
| sebsebseb | and why I want to do Mageia stuff | May 09 16:44 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes, that would be good too | May 09 16:44 |
| schestowitz | tim should be on too | May 09 16:44 |
| sebsebseb | ,but for the proper stuff to do with Mageia, that's what the other guy will be on for after me sometime probably June. | May 09 16:44 |
| schestowitz | you two spoke before | May 09 16:44 |
| sebsebseb | yeah goblin can interview me as well ask questions | May 09 16:45 |
| sebsebseb | when we do it | May 09 16:45 |
| sebsebseb | probably not this week by the way | May 09 16:45 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: anyway one of the things was how you were oped, and I said not to show op on Freenode all the time, when I was new | May 09 16:46 |
| sebsebseb | and then you thought I may have been some troll as a result basicalley | May 09 16:46 |
| sebsebseb | ,because the anti Mono people would apparently do stuffl ike that, or whatever it was | May 09 16:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana I'm just a human as well. I'm sorry. :( | May 09 16:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #NVIDIA Optimus Unofficially Comes To #Linux http://is.gd/zJm3SI when will the company explain how it messes with the kernel though? Blobs. | May 09 16:47 | |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: so if it's done this way, it will be added into an episode? not be the whole episode? | May 09 16:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Plasma + #KWin = beautiful ! http://is.gd/vK1VCk !kde | May 09 16:50 | |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: yes, exactly | May 09 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Now we don't have real trolls here | May 09 16:51 |
| schestowitz | So no need for ops | May 09 16:51 |
| sebsebseb | uh? | May 09 16:51 |
| sebsebseb | now we don't have trolls here? | May 09 16:51 |
| schestowitz | It's better when everyone behaves reasonably well and everyone is equal | May 09 16:51 |
| MinceR | lol wut | May 09 16:51 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: I think.. | May 09 16:51 |
| schestowitz | nothing like MUTEX | May 09 16:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @sazius: @x1101 I'd love to hear @fontana's comments or rebuttals on !lo however, cc @kevingranade @fabsh | May 09 16:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Slackware 13.37 has been proven to be a stable and secure release." http://is.gd/AMFRTn #Slackware #kde | May 09 16:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Bad media: We can't even reject a low-level job application without it becoming a spin: http://is.gd/bfeV3C | May 09 16:52 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: sorry, I forgot *you* ;-) | May 09 16:52 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: you fail again | May 09 16:52 |
| sebsebseb | I think that Mageia guy when he comes on, will talk quite a long time like Jono :) need to chat to him about that again some time, but when I last did, it sounded like, he wanted to be more invovled with Mageia before doing that, because he's been busy with work and such | May 09 16:52 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: hint: there's the guy whose nick ends in a number | May 09 16:52 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: so yeah some time after the final, I guess I can probably get him to come on :) ,because he still wants to | May 09 16:53 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/73034852 | May 09 16:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 09-May-11 15:41:58 UTC - Identi.ca: #Amarok 2.4.1 "Resolution" released http://is.gd/fPm8yS top app, but #minirok is lighter and still supports global accelerators. !kde | May 09 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/73034704 | May 09 16:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 09-May-11 15:39:14 UTC - Identi.ca: Mark Shuttleworth Prefers GPL V3 http://is.gd/1ghz00 top man. #SteveofLinux #gplv3 !gnu | May 09 16:53 |
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| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/73034704 | May 09 16:53 |
| sebsebseb | we have trolls. Diablo-D3 at times and DeamonFC for exmaple | May 09 16:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Monday, 09-May-11 15:39:14 UTC - Identi.ca: Mark Shuttleworth Prefers GPL V3 http://is.gd/1ghz00 top man. #SteveofLinux #gplv3 !gnu | May 09 16:53 |
| sebsebseb | at times | May 09 16:53 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Ubuntu hype | May 09 16:53 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: those too | May 09 16:53 |
| sebsebseb | blah de blah | May 09 16:53 |
| *sebsebseb has been listening to some of the UDS stuff today even hmm | May 09 16:53 | |
| schestowitz | yeah | May 09 16:53 |
| MinceR | they just don't troll that much lately | May 09 16:53 |
| schestowitz | From the "Cult of Ubuntu" site | May 09 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Check out the site | May 09 16:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: fuck you dude. | May 09 16:54 |
| sebsebseb | Diablo-D3: well I meant you sometimes say troll like stuff | May 09 16:54 |
| ThistleWeb | oh, there's an "l" in that word, I read it wrong ;P | May 09 16:54 |
| sebsebseb | Can we fix it? Yes we can, uhmm listening to an old CD here, and that's what is playing now | May 09 16:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude, I just say ubuntu is a microsoft product | May 09 16:54 |
| sebsebseb | Bob The Builder song | May 09 16:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not like Im wrong | May 09 16:54 |
| sebsebseb | oh that was so popular, years ago | May 09 16:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | sebsebseb: "can we fix it?! no, its fucked!" | May 09 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: it has Microsoft code in mono | May 09 16:55 |
| schestowitz | But that's about it | May 09 16:55 |
| schestowitz | The kernel part probably doesn't have the hyperv Trojan | May 09 16:55 |
| ThistleWeb | listening to the latest techbytes, a couple of comments......1st I was increasingly rambling and off topic at times, my bad.....2nd Rusty REALLY needs to learn to use the mute button to move about, the noise if bad when he does that | May 09 16:56 |
| msb_ | Judging from the constant attacks on Ubuntu by the Microsoft anti-Linux propagandists in comp.os.linux.advocacy, Microsoft is very worried about Ubuntu catching on in a big way. | May 09 16:57 |
| sebsebseb | not listended to that Fedora episode just yet, but will of course | May 09 16:57 |
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| MinceR | must be sad for them, considering that ubuntu sometimes supports m$ agenda | May 09 16:57 |
| MinceR | (mono, bìng, etc.) | May 09 16:58 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: I am worried about that as well myself, when it comes to the whole of Desktop Linux, and the various competition | May 09 16:58 |
| sebsebseb | that's why I think Ubuntu could do with some proper competition right now from other distro's, sadly though there isn't anything porper to compete against it right now | May 09 16:58 |
| sebsebseb | no Fedora isn't it, and Linux Mint isn't it either, plus that has it's main verison based on Ubuntu anyway | May 09 16:58 |
| sebsebseb | so yeah hopefuly when Mageia is more developed, it can win enough users over, and give them some nice competition :) thing is that may not be for another year or two yet, hmm | May 09 16:59 |
| sebsebseb | as for Unity, well other distro's that want to have a big enough userbase on the desktop may actsaully have to provide that in their repo's in the future, to have any chance at being popular enough, if Unity gets popular enough | May 09 17:00 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: also I read last year or whatever, about how Microsoft put Canonical on their list of similar companies from the same industry, that they saw as a threat | May 09 17:00 |
| msb_ | I doubt that many experienced Linux users are switching to Ubuntu from some other distro. I think Ubuntu users are mostly new Linux users, thus coming from Microsoft Windows. Or in some impoverished countries, from no computer at all. | May 09 17:00 |
| ThistleWeb | ye gods, almost all of these death metal tunes used on techbytes are painful | May 09 17:01 |
| sebsebseb | oh and maybe Microsoft will have an advantage anyway, or not quite, but I mean Ubuntu still looks rather ugly by default realy, and Windows is starting to look better and better by default really since XP | May 09 17:01 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: nah there isn't that much metal on Techbytes really, and good to have that sometimes I guess, if people don't like it, skip it | May 09 17:01 |
| ThistleWeb | music is all taste, it's just noise to me | May 09 17:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Mark #Shuttleworth @sabdfl prefers !GPLv3 (apparently mainly due to patent provisions) http://is.gd/1ghz00 (via @schestowitz) | May 09 17:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Bah, was ik maar een n00b gebleven >:-( | May 09 17:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Do's and don'ts for your work's social platforms | http://red.ht/j56yaG #hackmanagement #community | May 09 17:02 | |
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| msb_ | sebsebseb: By "look" do you mean its actual appearance, or the metaphor meaning, e.g., "seem"? | May 09 17:02 |
| sebsebseb | Mark Shuttleworth prefers GPL v3, oh yeah, uhmm, but that's recent, after the stuff about him prefering Iphone to Android since what he said in Open Week | May 09 17:02 |
| sebsebseb | anyway that's what they do, the Ubuntu Community, hype up so called postive things, that Mark Shuttelworth said, and other people like that | May 09 17:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Just got ICP algorithms working today. Preparing for massive benchmarks soon, maybe resultant publications. #computervision | May 09 17:03 | |
| msb_ | I think when users gain any degree of computer literacy, their concern about visual appearance of the DE diminishes greatly, and they're interested in its functionality instead. | May 09 17:03 |
| sebsebseb | also Toros was hypeing up stuff they said in UDS earlier on Identica as well for example, and he's a Ubuntu Community Member anyway as I find out earlier, so no wonder he hypes up stuff | May 09 17:04 |
| ThistleWeb | "how efficient is this BSOD?" | May 09 17:04 |
| ThistleWeb | "could it appear with more frequency?" | May 09 17:04 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: well the Ubuntu base the under the hood stuff, well you know what I mean I guess, that's ok really still, but uhmm most Desktop Linux distro's have a great base | May 09 17:04 |
| sebsebseb | also why not have a good base if going to have the Ubuntu base, with stuff that is better on top, yep I am thinking Linux Mint | May 09 17:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #KDE 4.6.3 for #Slackware 13.37 http://is.gd/xvgTdR old distro, new desktop | May 09 17:05 | |
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| MinceR | "Mark Shuttleworth prefers GPL v3" -- that might be, but he also likes to have unconditional copyright assignments to his company | May 09 17:05 |
| MinceR | makes it more than a little suspicious | May 09 17:06 |
| sebsebseb | Oh yeah and people here's an example of today's Ubuntu hype! : http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/05/mark-shuttleworth-delivers-uds-keynote-address-sets-goal-for-200-million-ubuntu-users-in-4-years/ | May 09 17:06 |
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| sebsebseb | and I hope this does not happen by the way ^ | May 09 17:06 |
| sebsebseb | assuming that Ubuntu will keep on going down hill, for people who acstaully know about stuff, like us | May 09 17:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @csmart @rahulsundaram @gregkh How's the situation with non-free firmware for wireless drivers these days? | May 09 17:06 | |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/73035772 | May 09 17:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Richard Fontana (fontana)'s status on Monday, 09-May-11 15:57:25 UTC - Identi.ca: Mark #Shuttleworth @sabdfl prefers !GPLv3 (apparently mainly due to patent provisions) http://is.gd/1ghz00 (via @schestowitz) | May 09 17:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: Mark Shuttleworth Prefers GPL V3 | Muktware .::. Size~: 38.07 KB | May 09 17:07 |
| sebsebseb | also 200 million users of quite a few differnet Linux distributions that are popular, with the userbase of each being nearly the same amount of users, but a lot, well that would be better :) | May 09 17:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @michaellarabel: New @Phoronix codename: AMD 'Treebark' | May 09 17:08 | |
| msb_ | My idea of a good distro would be one that includes Sax2 functionality, ALSA not pulseaudio or phonon, and a forked-and-fixed KDE4 or a maintained KDE3 e.g. Trinity if that really gets going. This all would have the advantage that it would work on all computers and would be very functional for users and power-users. Of course it would need all the usual app and dev stuff. | May 09 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | and honestly ok so I may not like using Windows useually and espeasilly if forced to use it on a course or something, and the whole Microsoft playing dirty with patents thing and what not even, but uhmm I think these days, I would much rather have Windows being one of the most popular OS's in the world, and Ubuntu not being one of those at all :) | May 09 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | where as if we go back to 2008 | May 09 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | well there I was, wanting Ubuntu get really popular | May 09 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | to get really popular, but then I got even more educated about things and so on, and yeah times change | May 09 17:10 |
| msb_ | sebsebseb: You gotta be kidding! Ubuntu brings people into Linux, and then they can go into some better distro, especially if an all-around better one is available. | May 09 17:10 |
| *sebsebseb used to be quite a ignorant Ubuntu user for years, their second release in 2005, untill I became more and more knowledgable about things :) | May 09 17:10 | |
| sebsebseb | wasn't my first distro by the way :) | May 09 17:10 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: many stay as Ubuntu users for ages, and don't just move on to another distro, or some think they have moved on to another distro, but haven't really, because they moved on to Kubuntu or Xubuntu or Lubuntu for exmaple | May 09 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | and using Linux Mint hte Ubuntu based version, isn't really properly moving on from Ubuntu either | May 09 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | for example | May 09 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: also I used to help out loasd in that big Ubuntu channel, I know what kind of users it gets quite al ot of the time | May 09 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | and some of them are not very nice at all, and they demand support, and if you help and things don't quite work out, they get realy silly, and uh | May 09 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | and many you can spend hours with, and never get a proper thank you | May 09 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | back in a bit or something, going to eat food | May 09 17:13 |
| msb_ | sebsebseb: OK, they are new to being in a free community. So set them straight. | May 09 17:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Season of KDE: we need you, #KDE contributor, to get involved http://is.gd/fKySJV best desktop out there | May 09 17:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "someone who tried the #Fedora {mailing lists|forum|irc channel} and had a bad first impression" http://is.gd/A0BiHn #rant #gnu #linux | May 09 17:13 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Toscalix from the Canary Islands: Season of KDE: we need you, KDE contributor, to get involved .::. Size~: 50.39 KB | May 09 17:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The drive-by review « Kevin's musings .::. Size~: 33.23 KB | May 09 17:13 |
| msb_ | sebsebseb: They still think they're dealing with a corporation and they've paid for help. | May 09 17:14 |
| msb_ | I met a guy in #suse who was trying to use a professional tablet and couldn't get it to work in Suse. He went to Ubuntu and someone had already done it and created scripts or some kind of package and that tablet worked instantly. | May 09 17:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | erm | May 09 17:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | except if its usb | May 09 17:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | you can sort of just plug it in and it already works | May 09 17:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | you just have nothing to use it with | May 09 17:17 |
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| Diablo-D3 | gimp is the only app that supports tablet pressure/etc shit | May 09 17:17 |
| msb_ | Also, in one of the local Silicon Valley Linux groups, Ubuntu seems to be pretty popular, and these Linux users are mostly computer professionals. | May 09 17:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | and typically, linux users do NOT use the tablet as an X input source (ie, a mouse) | May 09 17:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | because its fucking retarded | May 09 17:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @schestowitz #Plasma + #KWin = beautiful ! http://is.gd/vK1VCk !kde | May 09 17:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The effect of #Microsoft pulling the anti-competitive malware switch (aka Windows Update) http://is.gd/KkOtGX #firefox | May 09 17:18 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Plasma + KWin = beautiful ! | kdedevelopers.org .::. Size~: 22.5 KB | May 09 17:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Asa Dotzler: Firefox and more: Just Wait Until Microsoft Turns On Windows Update .::. Size~: 31.04 KB | May 09 17:18 |
| msb_ | This guy is a professional 3D graphic artist. | May 09 17:19 |
| msb_ | He had a whole toolchain of graphics programs he was using. Did not include gimp. I think some had to run in WINE or a hosted MS-Windows. | May 09 17:19 |
| msb_ | Very high-level professional programs. | May 09 17:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] SCO Officially Changes Its Name to TSG (Groklaw): http://bit.ly/kh1Lc9 | May 09 17:20 | |
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| schestowitz | [17:06] <sebsebseb> and I hope this does not happen by the way ^ | May 09 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Why not? | May 09 17:23 |
| schestowitz | [17:10] <msb_> sebsebseb: You gotta be kidding! Ubuntu brings people into Linux, and then they can go into some better distro, especially if an all-around better one is available. | May 09 17:23 |
| schestowitz | +1 | May 09 17:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] The Flame Party Helsinki https://mozillalabs.com/blog/2011/05/the-flame-party-helsinki/ | May 09 17:23 | |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: you help the Microsoft trolls by saying what you did | May 09 17:23 |
| schestowitz | ubuntu is complementary | May 09 17:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] my coffee has already gone cold. http://coffee.jezra.net/coffee/20110509 #sip_and_click | May 09 17:25 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: coffee.jezra: a coffee a day photo project | 2011-05-09 .::. Size~: 3.85 KB | May 09 17:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @fabsh I will have an adequate answer on that shortly | May 09 17:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Открытие веб-сайта российского сообщества Creative Commons - http://bit.ly/lABJcK as #Portugal threatens to shut #cc, #russia opens it up | May 09 17:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Listening to Shuttleworth's #UDS keynote. http://blip.tv/file/5120112 | May 09 17:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] New policy: unsubscribing from life-is-good genre denters. Nothing personal, just can't deal | May 09 17:28 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Открытие веб-сайта российского сообщества Creative Commons | Creative Commons — Russia (Творческие Сообщества) .::. Size~: 14.08 KB | May 09 17:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ubuntu UDS O Jono Bacon Welcome - Ubuntu Developers - blip.tv .::. Size~: 35.15 KB | May 09 17:28 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: I meant I would rather have other distro's being popular, because Ubuntu is no longer what it used to be, a distro I realy, realy liked | May 09 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: ^ | May 09 17:31 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: really Ubuntu should be a first steping stone from Windows or Mac OS X, then yep move on to other distro's, but many Ubuntu people would disagree | May 09 17:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Crap... got a crappy bug in debbundle.. | May 09 17:32 | |
| sebsebseb | it seems in the LInux Mint IRC community though, people are very mcuh so for this idea, and that many use other distro's that help anyway | May 09 17:32 |
| sebsebseb | there | May 09 17:32 |
| msb_ | What exactly is so bad about Ubuntu? sudo? a crummy DE? People seem to like Mint, and that has KDE available. | May 09 17:33 |
| msb_ | Much better if KDE4 were fixed, or KDE3 were maintained. | May 09 17:34 |
| sebsebseb | the amount of ignorance sourrunding it, take omgubuntu for example and most of it's comments | May 09 17:34 |
| sebsebseb | the way Ubuntu doesn't work properly with upstream, and doesn't become one properly either with stuff like Unity | May 09 17:34 |
| sebsebseb | plus well more recently they try and lock people into their money making serivces really | May 09 17:35 |
| sebsebseb | in the distro itself | May 09 17:35 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu is a produc,t not a project | May 09 17:35 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: also for me it used to provide an absoutly great default expereince, that's what I really care about when it comes to distro's by the way | May 09 17:35 |
| sebsebseb | ,but then as of 9.04 and 9.10 that got ruined, but only little things, 10.04 was the big ah! and so on from there | May 09 17:36 |
| sebsebseb | also there people who think Ubuntu = Linux. and quite a lot of people think Ubuntu is the only distro that is worth running really as a Desktop OS, which is a load of rubbish really, but yep there will be people like that, in fact I used to be like that for years | May 09 17:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Marie Curie (XKCD): http://xkcd.com/896/ | May 09 17:37 | |
| msb_ | sebsebseb: What's wrong with the experience? (I've never used it myself.) | May 09 17:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: xkcd: Marie Curie .::. Size~: 8.08 KB | May 09 17:37 |
| sebsebseb | when I did loads of support for Ubuntu online, and tried to convert people to it, yep when I was doing that, I pretty much ignored other Desktop Linux distro's | May 09 17:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Can someone tell me what the fuck Shuttleworth is on about gardening? Did someone understand this keynote at all? #UDS | May 09 17:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft runs 500,000 servers-- Bob Kelly at last week's Wired cloud conference... | May 09 17:38 | |
| sebsebseb | msb_: I am saying stuff that is based on my expereince of using my opinions, and if you haven't used the versions since 8.10, well it's hard to explain | May 09 17:38 |
| sebsebseb | Desktop LInux is meant to be about choice | May 09 17:39 |
| msb_ | sebsebseb: But if whatever bothers you about it is serious enough, I would think you could explain it if you tried. | May 09 17:39 |
| sebsebseb | loads of people going for Ubuntu straight away, as their first distro, because of all the hype about ito n the Internet, well that's not choice | May 09 17:39 |
| msb_ | Sure. | May 09 17:39 |
| schestowitz | true | May 09 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | back in 2004, when I was new to Desktop Linux, I had to choose my own Linux distribution | May 09 17:40 |
| schestowitz | I find it UglyByDefault(R) | May 09 17:40 |
| schestowitz | But that's my opinion | May 09 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Their Debian base with patches is solid | May 09 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Which makes kubuntu quite neat | May 09 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | a guy got me into stuff like, Mozilla Suite :) no Firefox back then, when I got told about things | May 09 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | or well there was, but yeah no Firefox 0.8 yet | May 09 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | anyway, he got me using Mozilla Suite, and he got me to install Cygwin in Windows even :) and I had this dev c++ program installed, because of him, and when a family computer became mine, yeah Fedora Core 2 my first Linux distibution I coudn't use it online since this wireless device. | May 09 17:41 |
| sebsebseb | anyway I knew he used Slackware, but he woudn't recomend me a distro, so I had to pick my own | May 09 17:41 |
| sebsebseb | plus I know that Slackware wasn't really easy to use | May 09 17:41 |
| sebsebseb | and Mandrake (now Mandriva) and OpenSuse may have both been pretty popular back then, but for some reason, I didn't seem to know about them or whatever, so I ended up picking between Debian and Fedora Core | May 09 17:42 |
| msb_ | Maybe all the social-networking sites now available (which I never use) will help Ubuntu users find a better distro. Especially if an all-around good one existed! | May 09 17:42 |
| sebsebseb | and Fedora won me over, because it said everything was free or whatever, but yeah, I had to pick my own :) | May 09 17:43 |
| sebsebseb | even though I want to help more properly on the community side with a distro, I would still recommend a few distro's to people useually. why, because it's a good thing to do, plus that way don't lok like a fan boy :) | May 09 17:43 |
| sebsebseb | also once I was telling someone about other distro's on IRC, last year, and I recommended some and gave http://distrowatch.com I basically suggested he tried out Mandriva, but well he ended up trying OpenSuse out instead, which I guess was being promoted a bit on distrowatch at the time, since it had a new erlease, but well | May 09 17:44 |
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| sebsebseb | ,but ok OpenSuse not really what I wanted this person to try, but well at least that person made their own choice :) oh and this was someone who had already been using Ubuntu by the way | May 09 17:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lubuntu/@lubuntu] google8207fb3f4383a46b.html http://tinyurl.com/3pxdd22 | May 09 17:45 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: google8207fb3f4383a46b.html | lubuntu .::. Size~: 15.92 KB | May 09 17:45 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: no the Linux sites and Linux magazines mainly go on about Ubuntu and in a postive way, it's only more recently, so basicaly last year, and this year, that there seems to be a bit more negative stuff about it here and there on the web | May 09 17:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | man | May 09 17:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | the whole interests are full of trolls | May 09 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | also on the subject of Internet being full of trolls well | May 09 17:47 |
| msb_ | Not me. I want to find one really good distro and recommend it alone to everyone, since people naive to Linux don't know what to look for. That good distro used to be OpenSuse, but now, with no Sax2, and with pulseaudio/phonon by default, and the severely crudified KDE4, I don't know what to tell them. Roy just suggested PCLinuxOS, but it would have to have those 3 problems fixed. | May 09 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | it seems to me that, a lot of these LInux articles and blog enteries and yeah, get loads of comments from people being stupid these days | May 09 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | well there isn't a it seems, it's a it happens thing | May 09 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: have you seen what happens if you search Google for Linux by the way? | May 09 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | I assume it's still the case | May 09 17:47 |
| schestowitz | msb_: it's good for LInux n00bs | May 09 17:48 |
| schestowitz | Like my dad | May 09 17:48 |
| schestowitz | And it's KDE3-esque (hacked kde4) | May 09 17:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] I feel very exhausted... | May 09 17:48 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Linux Mint is much more user friendly than Ubuntu, as ThistleWeb would probably also agree | May 09 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | oh your on about Slax? | May 09 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | heh toros feels exhasted? maybe he's dented/tweeted a bit to much Ubuntu hype today, so he got exhasted :D | May 09 17:49 |
| msb_ | sebsebseb: Sax2 -- the program that can set up /etc/X11/xorg.conf when X.org automatic config doesn't work. | May 09 17:50 |
| *sebsebseb doesn't like meat as much as used to for a few reasons, but no not going vegaterian | May 09 17:50 | |
| sebsebseb | that may seem a bit random, but I was just eating something | May 09 17:51 |
| msb_ | schestowitz: "KDE3-esque (hacked kde4)" Hacked how? Details please! | May 09 17:51 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: Slax yeah it's apparnetly a good distro, but will it become really, really popular, uhmm rather unlikely | May 09 17:52 |
| sebsebseb | Tim recommended some distro on Techbytes not that long ago, I think that distro based on ArchLinux with a name staring with C | May 09 17:52 |
| sebsebseb | and he wanted whatever he was on about to become rather popular, and I was listening thinking, uh well that's not going to happen | May 09 17:53 |
| ThistleWeb | chackra | May 09 17:53 |
| sebsebseb | well I nearly typed chaka or whatever, but yeah that | May 09 17:53 |
| sebsebseb | read about that one before even | May 09 17:53 |
| sebsebseb | anyawy oh I know that, Mageia has a chance at becoming one of the most popular distro's, already quite a few people interested in it for an obvious reason, it's the new Mandriva fork, so of course :) | May 09 17:54 |
| msb_ | sebsebseb: Google search for Linux: Ubuntu, Linux.com, Wikipedia-Linux, Redhat, Distrowatch, Fedora, Debian. So? | May 09 17:54 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: yeah exactly, Ubuntu is still the first result? | May 09 17:54 |
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| ThistleWeb | any new distro has a long way to go to become popular | May 09 17:54 |
| ThistleWeb | something that appears to by hype and vapourware for so long, based on rpm when most of the top distros are deb is an uphill battle | May 09 17:55 |
| sebsebseb | well anywhere in the first 10 on distrowatch is popular really I guess, but distro's that want quite a lot of market share, would aim to be in the top 5 | May 09 17:55 |
| sebsebseb | uhmm Fedora is the second most used distro on the Desktop and that's RPM, and OpenSuse used to be rather poupular and yep that's RPM | May 09 17:55 |
| msb_ | sebsebseb: So what? BFD. People who only look at the first google hit are not thinking very effectively. | May 09 17:56 |
| ThistleWeb | yep, both with corporate backing / connections | May 09 17:56 |
| ThistleWeb | both with a long history of corporate releases | May 09 17:56 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: as for many distro's using DEB, well yes indeed, if we include all those Ubuntu based distro's, but if not, I guess not that many really | May 09 17:56 |
| ThistleWeb | those are just the community versions of those | May 09 17:56 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: what di you mean BFD? also remember how I was saying something about Ubuntu = Linux, well to go with this, go on the Ubuntu site, and look for the name Linux, good luck finding that, by the way | May 09 17:57 |
| ThistleWeb | a large part of why fedora and opensuse are popular is that they are free versions of stuff people use at work, to learn on, practice work skills on etc | May 09 17:57 |
| msb_ | I guess I should add a fourth criterion for a good distro, which is that wifi should almost always work out of the box. People come into #suse with lots of wifi problems. | May 09 17:58 |
| ThistleWeb | also the long, long history helps | May 09 17:58 |
| msb_ | sebsebseb: Sorry -- big fucking deal. | May 09 17:58 |
| schestowitz | [17:51] <msb_> schestowitz: "KDE3-esque (hacked kde4)" Hacked how? Details please! | May 09 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | and the big Ubuntu channel gets loads of people with wirelss not just working by default as well | May 09 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | here's the thing | May 09 17:58 |
| schestowitz | !google pclinuxos 20111 screenshots | May 09 17:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Mail Question: installed smf forum on centos perfect server setup ... | http://www.howtoforge.com/forums/showthread.php%3Ft%3D26085 | May 09 17:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Home - LinuxCommunity | http://www.linux-community.de/ | May 09 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | I have got Ubuntu users to try out Mandriva from a Live CD in the past, and where there wireless either just worked, or was much easier to have working | May 09 17:58 |
| schestowitz | !google pclinuxos 2011 screenshots | May 09 17:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - March Screenshots - PCLinuxOS | http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php%3Ftopic%3D87762.195 | May 09 17:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Linux Screenshots Forum • View topic - PCLinuxOS Phoenix 2011 | http://screenshotsfrlinux.freeforums.org/pclinuxos-phoenix-2011-t317.html | May 09 17:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - LinFX Gallery - Home | http://www.linfx.com/gallery/ | May 09 17:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - PCLinuxOS 2010.12 is released! | Screenshots | Unixmen | http://www.unixmen.com/software/1377-pclinuxos-201012-is-released | May 09 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | !google linux | May 09 17:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Ubuntu Linux | http://www.ubuntu.com/ | May 09 17:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Linux.com | The source for Linux information | http://www.linux.com/ | May 09 17:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Linux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linux | May 09 17:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - redhat.com | The World's Open Source Leader | http://www.redhat.com/ | May 09 17:59 |
| ThistleWeb | sebsebseb: whether we like it or not, if someone wants to install an app not in the repos, and there is a linux version, chances are there will be an ubuntu deb, / PPA, but nothing for any other distro | May 09 17:59 |
| sebsebseb | !google ubuntu = linux | May 09 17:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Ubuntu Linux | http://www.ubuntu.com/ | May 09 17:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Download | Ubuntu | http://www.ubuntu.com/download/ubuntu/download | May 09 17:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Ubuntu (operating system) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ubuntu_(operating_system) | May 09 17:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Ubuntu Linux Vs. Windows Vista: The Battle For Your Desktop ... | http://www.informationweek.com/news/software/operating_systems/199201179 | May 09 17:59 |
| ThistleWeb | same applies to tutorials | May 09 17:59 |
| sebsebseb | anyway I think Google pretty much ignores = like it does with and | May 09 17:59 |
| sebsebseb | the Deb's being availalbe, is, because of the Ubuntu hype, that's the main reason | May 09 18:00 |
| sebsebseb | not , beause of Debian | May 09 18:00 |
| schestowitz | msb_: I also used 2009 in 009 | May 09 18:00 |
| ThistleWeb | the more obscure the distro, the less reviews, less maintainers, less tutorials, less pre compiles means it's harder for the new user | May 09 18:00 |
| schestowitz | msb_: I also used 2009.1 in 2009 | May 09 18:00 |
| sebsebseb | unless we do the, well it is also, becsue of Debian, since Ubuntu is based on Debian, thing | May 09 18:00 |
| ThistleWeb | any new distro is entering that world, bleating about "it shouldn't be like that" won't change a damn thing | May 09 18:01 |
| ThistleWeb | it'll be a long slog to get people to switch | May 09 18:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laforge/@laforge] powered up + used my Siemens BS-11 for the first time in many months. Happy to see current #openbsc still working like a charm | May 09 18:01 | |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: exactly which is why Chackra probably doesn't have much of a chance at becoming rather popular really, plus it's based on Arch. altough acstauly if I remember correctly Chakra is meant to be like an easyer version of Arch. Also it seems that quite a few Ubuntu users go to Arch. | May 09 18:02 |
| ThistleWeb | think how many distors are out there that most people have never heard of, let alone tried in a VM or live cd | May 09 18:02 |
| ThistleWeb | to be taken seriously, distros have to build up some history of trust and competency, that doesn't happen overnight | May 09 18:03 |
| sebsebseb | none of the current distro's give Ubuntu proper competition like I was saying earlier, I do strongly belive that once Mageia is more developed, that it may start doing just that though :) ,but that before that happens it may be another year or two or so yet | May 09 18:03 |
| ThistleWeb | well, as long as you know it's an uphill battle, good luck to it | May 09 18:04 |
| sebsebseb | also Linux Mint keeps on getting more and more popular now which is good really, and Mint could probably eventaully drop the Ubuntu based version and go with only Debian based really eventualley | May 09 18:04 |
| schestowitz | it does to extent now | May 09 18:04 |
| schestowitz | !google mint 10 debian | May 09 18:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Main Page - Linux Mint | http://www.linuxmint.com/ | May 09 18:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Linux Mint 10 OR Linux Mint Debian? - Yahoo! Answers | http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index%3Fqid%3D20101114132917AArCRQB | May 09 18:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Linux Mint Debian Edition 10: Rolling Release Nirvana | Linux Magazine | http://www.linux-mag.com/id/7942/ | May 09 18:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Mint 10 XFCE Debian-based was just released - AnandTech Forums | http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D2155887 | May 09 18:04 |
| sebsebseb | yeah it needs marketting and all that, plus the first version uhmm well no Gnome 3, got to wait untill the next one for that | May 09 18:04 |
| ThistleWeb | oh, mint 11 rc should be out today | May 09 18:05 |
| ThistleWeb | jus' sayin' | May 09 18:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] MDN doc sprint, in-person and online, June 6 to 8 http://hacks.mozilla.org/2011/05/mdn-doc-sprint-in-person-and-online-june-6-to-8/ | May 09 18:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Still suffering from severe #pollinosis !problematic | May 09 18:05 | |
| ThistleWeb | watch out for Clem's post | May 09 18:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: MDN doc sprint, in-person and online, June 6 to 8 ✩ Mozilla Hacks – the Web developer blog .::. Size~: 23.59 KB | May 09 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | however for those that want a nice Gnome 2 set up, or a nice KDE set up, well yeah, give Magea 1 a try, and the final is expected on June 1st :) | May 09 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | and Mint isn't doing Gnome 3 for Mint 11 | May 09 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | which makes sense for them really, because if they wait they can put in the Ubuntu stuff for Mint 12 | May 09 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | for Gnome 3, and do Gnome Shell instead of Unity. | May 09 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | anyway later this year will be interseting, when more distro's start doing Gnome 3 | May 09 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu, and Mageia and so on | May 09 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | Mint | May 09 18:06 |
| ThistleWeb | right now it's the safe choice to stay gnome 2, they're taking a wait and see approach, and look at it again in maybe 5 months when they're more mature | May 09 18:06 |
| ThistleWeb | an easily pronouncable name also helps when people talk about it | May 09 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | exactly right now it's the safe choice to stay with Gnome 2 realy, however, instead of Ubuntu going Unity for 11.04, they could have worked closestly with upstream Gnome I expect, and get Gnome Shell in. as for Mint well there is what you just said, and what I just said, why no Gnome 3 for 11 I guess. as for Mageia even if loads of other distro's were already doing Gnome 3 they woudn't have done for their first release, because their first | May 09 18:08 |
| sebsebseb | release is very much so about being a re branded version of Mandriva with hardly any new features. Mageia 2 is where things will get more interesting :) | May 09 18:08 |
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| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: and we are in like Linux distro limbo land at the moment, having to wait untill the future for most of them, I mean yeah Gnome 3 for example | May 09 18:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] RT @apol Interested about !KDE and know spanish? Don't forget to visit http://kdeblog.com | May 09 18:10 | |
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| sebsebseb | hi hbons | May 09 18:10 |
| hbons | hi | May 09 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | Your new aren't you? | May 09 18:11 |
| schestowitz | not new | May 09 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | oh | May 09 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: anyway I ilke the idea of being invvled with a distro that I know is going to be pretty good and probably quite popular over time, from it's beginning :) | May 09 18:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @kfogel Help support Nina Paley's new booklet project on Kickstarter: http://questioncopyright.org/kickstarter-mimi-and-eunice-booklet | May 09 18:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Testing the Kickstarter waters: support Nina Paley's new booklet! | QuestionCopyright.org .::. Size~: 29.2 KB | May 09 18:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @fontana yeah CMOT Dibbler also works, dunno why I missed the obvious, my mind just threw the word "inhumed" which led to the Guild ;P | May 09 18:17 | |
| msb_ | schestowitz: This PCLinuxOS screenshot may have a desktop-pager at the top. If so, it is readable. http://www.pclinuxos.com/forum/index.php?topic=90609#msg759709 | May 09 18:18 |
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| msb_ | schestowitz: If that is KDE4 and the thing at the top is a desktop-pager, then they've kinda fixed it. | May 09 18:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] RT @kfogel Help support Nina Paley's new booklet project on Kickstarter: http://questioncopyright.org/kickstarter-mimi-and-eunice-booklet | May 09 18:20 | |
| msb_ | schestowitz: No, each rectangle in the thing at the top mentions amount of free space. I think it's a listing of partitions. | May 09 18:22 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | schestowitz: No, each rectangle in the thing at the top mentions amount of free space. I think it's a listing of partitions. | May 09 18:22 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Ubuntu Aims for 200 Million Users by 2015, Will Need a Miracle (ExtremeTech): http://bit.ly/iGTH9J | May 09 18:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Monday's security updates http://lwn.net/Articles/442049/rss | May 09 18:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Ubuntu cloud chief beats CTO to exit door (The Register) http://lwn.net/Articles/442077/rss | May 09 18:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Apple not providing LGPL webkit source code http://lwn.net/Articles/442082/rss | May 09 18:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] given the extra demand for the latest #Mint, it'd be nice if people chose the torrent option rather than direct download #meltingservers | May 09 18:30 | |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: MinceR msb_ ThistleWeb http://identi.ca/conversation/70660866 | May 09 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | oh the URL bot left | May 09 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | URL's title bot | May 09 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | well anyway that's a convo I just seen on there, to do with Marks Keynote | May 09 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | and copyright assignments | May 09 18:31 |
| MinceR | i haven't seen the self-appointed dictator's keynote | May 09 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I watched it live | May 09 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | however the stream also went down | May 09 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | for some of it | May 09 18:33 |
| msb_ | sebsebseb: Copyright what? Look and feel of Ubuntu? That would sure bring the Linux community down on his head big time. | May 09 18:33 |
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| schestowitz | [18:30] <sebsebseb> schestowitz: MinceR msb_ ThistleWeb http://identi.ca/conversation/70660866 | May 09 18:34 |
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| MinceR | no, copyright assignment on unity (& possibly others) source code | May 09 18:34 |
| MinceR | so novell2.0 can take your code and run with it, sell it in nonfree software | May 09 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: hmm I guess you haven't hanged around here long enough to know what copyright assignments is then, or been using sites like identica, or been reading enough Linux stuff online | May 09 18:34 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Canonical is not another Novell | May 09 18:34 |
| MinceR | it is not? | May 09 18:34 |
| msb_ | sebsebseb: I am only an egg. | May 09 18:34 |
| MinceR | how so? | May 09 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: What? | May 09 18:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Iterating on AwesomeBar HD with user studies http://mozillalabs.com/prospector/2011/05/09/iterating-on-awesomebar-hd-with-user-studies/ | May 09 18:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] If in #android services cannot stay on the SD card, why is Skype movable to it? #justasking | May 09 18:35 | |
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| MinceR | they promote m$ shit, just like novell did before it died | May 09 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: the keynote acstaully mentions how he refused Novell's copyright assignments for something | May 09 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | it's worth checking out | May 09 18:35 |
| *sebsebseb still hasn't since his keynote from the last UDS where he was going on about Unity, wow six months later, still not seen that, well that's not wow really | May 09 18:36 | |
| sebsebseb | ir just means, I haven't cared enough about Ubuntu to bother to see that already | May 09 18:36 |
| msb_ | sebsebseb: From Stranger in a Strange Land - Heinlein -- I think. Means I'm a beginner in the area you're talking about. Except that I do read a lot of Linux stuff online. But not about copyrights. | May 09 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | seen his last, above | May 09 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: ok well basically, if people contribute code to Unity the new interface for Ubuntu, the alternative to Gnome Shell which you can see here, http://gnome3.org | May 09 18:36 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] I didn't expect switching off ido-mode would make my life so much more enjoyable !emacs | May 09 18:37 | |
| sebsebseb | anyone who contribues code to that, well this is my undertanding from everything I have read on the Internet to do with it and that. anyway. if anyone contributes code, they hand all the rights to Canonical | May 09 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | this means Canonical could even re lisence their code and use in propritary software | May 09 18:37 |
| msb_ | sebsebseb: So Unity isn't GPL'ed? | May 09 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | now here's the thing, the Free Software Foundation also has copyright assignments, but well with them at least we can trust them pretty much 100% to not do something bad with it | May 09 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | where as Canonical we can't trust 100%, in fact only really a fool would trust Canonical anywhere near 100%, and quite simpalley, because they are a for profit company | May 09 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu is also a product really as a result, not a project | May 09 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: Unity is GPL yes, but Copyright Assignments is something that can go with the lisence of software | May 09 18:39 |
| MinceR | iirc FSF copyright assignments came with a condition | May 09 18:39 |
| msb_ | sebsebseb: So presumably he (ooh! initials are MS!) wants to make big bucks on Unity for phones? | May 09 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | no proper Ubuntu people say, that they want Ubuntu to make free software go main streame, yeah they call it free software not open source the proper ones. | May 09 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | anyway I guess that's true really Canonical would love to take Ubuntu to the masses to the main streame, but whilst most of the users are using their in distro services buying their stuff, and Canonical making a profit | May 09 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | Canonical still don't make a profit by the way, still Mark Shuttleworth bailing them out | May 09 18:41 |
| msb_ | sebsebseb: OK, that's starting to sound creepy. | May 09 18:41 |
| MinceR | unfortunately they try to pollute it with crApple-ish crap on the way there | May 09 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | well Mark Shuttleworth is a millionaire, and the first South African in space, as Linux articles used to love going on about | May 09 18:41 |
| MinceR | indicator crapplets, client-side decorations, unity | May 09 18:41 |
| MinceR | i wonder if they'll go far enough to break compatibility with sane distros and environments | May 09 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: I thought Ubuntu 8.10 was ready for the main streame with proper help, yeah thought this even though the ethernet woudn't just work on the other computer, but that needs a driver in XP for example | May 09 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | the ethernet worked in 8.04 and 9.04 and 9.10 and 10.04 though and such | May 09 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | and 7.10 I guess was in it even before, anyway uhmm. yeah I thought 8.10 with the correct help from someone was ready for the main streame | May 09 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | then 9.04 was in development, and there were little things I didn't really want, and it got released, and I finally bothere to upgrade the computer from 8.04 soon after that very soon, and the ethernet wuodn't work. so well I put 9.04 on. 9.04 was quite a good release, even though there were little user interface things in it that I didn't like by default | May 09 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | 9.10 I didn't like much at all when it was the latest, but when 10.04 came out or was being developed, oh yes 9.10 became better for me overall | May 09 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | however even so upgraded the other computer to 10.04, because I thought 10.04 may have actsauly been better, but then the Plymouth boot up issues, all this junk by default I didn't like, and it even refusing to let anyone log in all of a sudden, my older brother told me, and soon after I put a much more relible distro on it Mandriva, and it's stayed with Mandriva since :) | May 09 18:44 |
| hbons | MinceR: don't agree with most of their design decisions, but they have made ubuntu more usable as a desktop os | May 09 18:45 |
| MinceR | i don't think so | May 09 18:45 |
| MinceR | but then they're not alone with their efforts there | May 09 18:45 |
| MinceR | gnome 3 is pretty hideous too | May 09 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: as for Unity, uhmm not really aimed at me, but at least makes some of the Gnome patches I don't really like that much as Gnome patches, into something more ok, because now it's a proper alternative interface | May 09 18:45 |
| hbons | it's not a matter of opinion. you can measure these things | May 09 18:46 |
| msb_ | sebsebseb: Shuttleworth's space trip maps in my mind to the wealthy guy (played by John Hurt) in the movie Contact, who financed the second vehicle. This has been biasing me toward him. Have to readjust my thinking. | May 09 18:46 |
| MinceR | yes, i can measure that 0 systray applets will appear because they don't support them or have broken support for them :> | May 09 18:46 |
| hbons | it's not about that | May 09 18:46 |
| MinceR | and that there's a crApple-style global menubar | May 09 18:46 |
| MinceR | which was idiotic enough before multihead setups were common :> | May 09 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: the first South African in space stuff, is all part of the Ubuntu hype as well, not as much now though as it used to be in 2005 and 2006 and such | May 09 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | there are even people who use Ubuntu as their distro, because it has money behind it, I remember chatting to someone here on IRC, who said they were from India and basically told me, that they wanted a distro that had money behind it | May 09 18:47 |
| msb_ | Yii!!! | May 09 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: maybe worth you listening to the recent Techbytes interview with Jono Bacon, who is yeah the Ubuntu Community Manager which I hope you know already. so yeah he tells peole how great Ubuntu is, he's an alright guy really, and comes here sometimes even | May 09 18:49 |
| msb_ | The gold diaphragm joke. | May 09 18:49 |
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| msb_ | The profit motive can really mess things up! | May 09 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: oh and there IRC community could be even nicer, had quite a few expereinces with it | May 09 18:51 |
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| sebsebseb | msb_: Ubuntu 8.10 was nice and clean | May 09 18:51 |
| sebsebseb | altough there was some update for shut down on top right that was optional, but they would keep shut down and log out in system menu, yep I am talking Gnome patches | May 09 18:52 |
| msb_ | sebsebseb: their IRC community is nice, not nice? I don't understand. | May 09 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | anyway nice and clean, didn't have all this junk features aimed at newbies, that remove other features that are meant to be there really. | May 09 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | and like I said earlier I thought with help, from someone who knows how, it could go main streame | May 09 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | I read not that long ago about how someone finally replaced Windows on there computer properly with Ubuntu with 8.04 even. | May 09 18:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] #Canonical losing two executives, CTO #Zimmerman and VP of Corporate Services #Levine http://ur1.ca/44jyx | May 09 18:53 | |
| sebsebseb | and then Canonical got a design team, and well things started going down hill, just little things for 9.04 and 9.10, then well much more for 10.04 and so on from there, and yep most users have no idea | May 09 18:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ubuntu cloud chief beats CTO to exit door • The Register .::. Size~: 23.74 KB | May 09 18:53 |
| sebsebseb | also he woudn't say it publically, but maybe Zimmerman is leaving, because he thinks the same? | May 09 18:54 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: MinceR ^ | May 09 18:54 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: also wasn't Matt against having Mono in the distro? | May 09 18:54 |
| sebsebseb | anywah he isn't leaving properly, because he'll still be invovled with the community here and there | May 09 18:54 |
| msb_ | The question is, how good is it for power users? Easy to use multiple desktops, for example. Any distro will work for people with few requirements. | May 09 18:55 |
| MinceR | i don't think that mono bacon is "an alright guy" | May 09 18:55 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: i don't know | May 09 18:55 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: also it can be really annoying for me to read about Ubuntu at times, and yeah more about Ubuntu, and more, and more and more and more, because the amount of stuff there is about it on the web now. I mean a distro I used to think was really great for years, but then started going all well down hill | May 09 18:56 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: well power users aren't the target audiance of Ubuntu anymore | May 09 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | nisshh: wrong one, and your probably sleeping or osmething | May 09 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: yeah power users aren't the target audiance of Ubuntu anymore, the enthusisasts yeah. they used to be, but this really is no longer hte case | May 09 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | the | May 09 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | now it is about winning over the average consumer, you know people who just use a computer like a toaster, and don't really what they run | May 09 18:58 |
| hbons1 | you can always use fxce :) | May 09 18:58 |
| hbons1 | xfce | May 09 18:58 |
| sebsebseb | who go on Facebook and what not. for example | May 09 18:58 |
| sebsebseb | hbons1: I think if going to use, KDE, or XFCE, or LXDE, or anything that isn't what is given by default in Ubuntu, may as well use another distro :) | May 09 18:58 |
| hbons1 | sebsebseb: but you're pretty sure canonical won't touch those :P | May 09 18:59 |
| sebsebseb | with the exception of the Gnome 3 ppa of course | May 09 18:59 |
| sebsebseb | ,because right now loads of distro's can't just run that anyway, and so on, so Gnome 3 ppa can be useful, not the full experience though | May 09 18:59 |
| sebsebseb | hbons1: yep they pretty much leave KDE alone in Kubuntu for example, apparently only two of the developers are from Canonical | May 09 18:59 |
| msb_ | The foundational principle of GNU/Linux/FOSS is (as expressed in _Antitrust_): Human knowledge belongs to the World! Or as RMS has said, "Information wants to be free." That is incompatible with the profit motive, unless profit is made only from consulting, or donations freely given, etc. | May 09 19:00 |
| sebsebseb | Xubuntu with XFCE is basically left alone for the community to do. As for Lubuntu with LXDE, well that's not even an offidal dervarative yet, but recently Mark is sbasically saying how it may be ready to be soon, because it's in their repo's and so on. | May 09 19:00 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: also I mentioned stuff about first stepping stone distro's, striaght from Windows or Mac OS X, really Ubuntu like Linux Mint should be one of those, but here's the thing. Why would Canonical want people to move on from Ubuntu to other distro's? Right they woudn't really I guess | May 09 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | also didn't I mention vender lock in earlier? well maybe, not, well I did say how Ubuntu is a product. Anyway vender lock in. | May 09 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | !google vendor lock in | May 09 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Vendor lock-in - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vendor_lock-in | May 09 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Web 3.0, The Cloud, and Vendor Lock-In | http://www.readwriteweb.com/enterprise/2011/04/web-30-the-cloud-and-vendor-lo.php | May 09 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Vendor lock-in definition by The Linux Information Project (LINFO) | http://www.linfo.org/vendor_lockin.html | May 09 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Is vendor lock-in universally bad? | TechRepublic | http://www.techrepublic.com/article/is-vendor-lock-in-universally-bad/1058909 | May 09 19:02 |
| msb_ | sebsebseb: Not if they want to make a profit from the users! | May 09 19:02 |
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| sebsebseb | great wikipedia page about that, last time I went on it | May 09 19:03 |
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| sebsebseb | so yeah vender lock in, that's really meant to be for prpritary software, ok well I have thought of an example for Ubuntu, or two even | May 09 19:03 |
| msb_ | How does vendor lock-in work in Ubuntu? | May 09 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | I guess | May 09 19:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @sabdfl : Goal of #Canonical is 200 million #Ubuntu users in four years http://digitizor.com/2011/05/09/mark-shuttleworth-ubuntu/ | May 09 19:03 | |
| sebsebseb | maybe three even hmm | May 09 19:03 |
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| sebsebseb | ok so yeah the Ubuntu Software Centre | May 09 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | if people buy software from it, it's on Canonicals' cloud thing I think | May 09 19:04 |
| msb_ | They SELL software??? | May 09 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | and then I think always going to need Ubuntu Software Centre to run it really, not sure, because not bought anything from it, and not planning to either :) | May 09 19:04 |
| msb_ | What kind of software? | May 09 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | and yes as of 10.10 they sell software, propritary software | May 09 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | stuff that the average end user may want, so a game or two for example, and that kind of thing, oh and the DVD playing program | May 09 19:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 149 million downloads on 2011-05-09 18:02 UTC | May 09 19:05 | |
| sebsebseb | anyway if I am correct and it's true, that need the Ubuntu Software Centre, to use the bought apps from it, well there we go then, vender lock in I guess, vender lock in to the Ubuntu Software Centre | May 09 19:06 |
| sebsebseb | Ok well how about Ubuntu One then? 1GB or I think it may even be 2GB now,. and as they would say for all Ubuntu users. Uhmm right, but then yep it's pay if want more space, sounds ok? sure I guess it does really, but here's the thing. As far as I know Ubuntu One only works in Ubuntu and of course distro's based on it, except for a Windows port that I think they are making. | May 09 19:07 |
| sebsebseb | So in that case, if it doesn't work in loads of other distro's as well, it's an example of vender lock in really? Or is it? I don't know, I am just saying here. | May 09 19:08 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: see what I mean? ^ | May 09 19:08 |
| sebsebseb | also by the way the 100% community distro's are unlikely to have money making services in the distro itself | May 09 19:08 |
| sebsebseb | rather unlikely indeed | May 09 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: also just want to be clear about something. when it comes to Ubuntu, the software centre offering propritary software, the Ubuntu one thing I mentioned, and even Mono being in the distro by default. None of that bothers me that much, it's the default expereince that bothers me, the branding, the way things look, and all the ignorance that sourrounds Ubuntu from many people, when it comes to Desktop Linux as a whole how distro's | May 09 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | are made so upstream,s and about choice and why they should maybe use something else instead really. an that kind of thing | May 09 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | and choice is good, choice means competition, and competition = inovation | May 09 19:12 |
| msb_ | sebsebseb: Who needs a f-ing cloud when you can carry a USB thumbdrive in your pocket? Microcenter gave me a 4 or 8GB one just for joining their mailing-list or something. | May 09 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | well yeah indeecx | May 09 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | d | May 09 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | who needs the cloud really? mean to back up data yourself anyway, locally, external hard disk or USB stick, however your going to do it | May 09 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | plus cloud servers can go down, and there can be data security issues as well | May 09 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: The cloud is starting to become the thing more from for profit companies | May 09 19:14 |
| msb_ | sebsebseb: With my website -- cosmicpenguin.com -- the last place I'd put my data is with any corporation. | May 09 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | also quite a lot of people were annoyeed at Dropbox recently, not sure why, there was something though | May 09 19:15 |
| msb_ | sebsebseb: You can also burn a 5GB DVD-R for 20 cents. | May 09 19:15 |
| sebsebseb | well it's 4GB and a bit here | May 09 19:16 |
| msb_ | And that being the case, and the NWO being real, I'm wondering if the purpose of the cloud is spying and control. | May 09 19:16 |
| sebsebseb | or these dual layour DVD's for people who have a DVD burner that suports. Anyway this reminds me I bought a Linux Format magazine last year, that had one of these | May 09 19:16 |
| sebsebseb | ,but my computer isn't a dual layour DVD, so only side one worked in it | May 09 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | and as some people may say when on about Linux Format, well they may call it Ubuntu Format, because apparnatly it goes on about Ubuntu a lot | May 09 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu = Linux | May 09 19:18 |
| sebsebseb | uh no it doesn't, so let's change that, come on other distro's !:) | May 09 19:18 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Jono is a nice guy, however he gets paid to do stuff for Ubuntu | May 09 19:19 |
| msb_ | Just like, oh, by the way, Google videos is closing down "so we can do a better job as a search engine". There goes lots of important political videos, gone. And you can no longer get a director membership in Youtube that allows you to put up any videos longer than 15 minutes. So no political videos there. | May 09 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: I think the archive.org site, was getting some or many of those videos, not sure | May 09 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | right and Gnome 2 won't be in Ubuntu 11.10 | May 09 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | at all | May 09 19:20 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: he's nicer to m$ than to the free software community | May 09 19:21 |
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| sebsebseb | they will go Gnome 3 underneath, with Unity 3D as the default interface, Unity 2D as the fall back | May 09 19:21 |
| GoForbes28 | hello | May 09 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Mark Shuttleworth you mean? | May 09 19:21 |
| MinceR | no, i mean mono bacon | May 09 19:21 |
| GoForbes28 | hi seb*3 | May 09 19:21 |
| MinceR | but it's true of the self-appointed dictator too | May 09 19:21 |
| GoForbes28 | hi MinceR | May 09 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | and I asked earlier about the upstream Gnome 3 fall back, sounds like that will be available, but yep as a PPA | May 09 19:21 |
| MinceR | considering that he calls anyone who criticizes him "peanut gallery" | May 09 19:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Fellow identicans, I have concluded that I am !free to go on !lo cc: @bkuhn @fabsh @methoddan However, don't think I'll be installing #Skype | May 09 19:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @fontana Sorry !free that was a total abuse of identica group etiquette | May 09 19:22 | |
| ThistleWeb | that was a throwaway gag | May 09 19:22 |
| GoForbes28 | wait, mono bacon as in Jono? | May 09 19:22 |
| MinceR | yes | May 09 19:22 |
| GoForbes28 | Didn't we just have an interview with him? What happened? | May 09 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Canonical is so great, uh no it's not really, and useually finding companies great is a foolish thing to do | May 09 19:22 |
| MinceR | Roy probably had one, i haven't seen it yet | May 09 19:22 |
| GoForbes28 | Has Jono always been pro-mono? | May 09 19:23 |
| MinceR | i wonder if bacon tried to make Roy look bad again | May 09 19:23 |
| GoForbes28 | hi thistleweb | May 09 19:23 |
| ThistleWeb | o/ | May 09 19:23 |
| *sebsebseb is glad he didn't try and get loads of people in person to use Ubuntu. Online was hard enough at times. sadly I did lose a potential friend for promoting Ubuntu, and well probably a few other reasons as well really | May 09 19:23 | |
| msb_ | sebsebseb: archive.org does have The Power Of Nightmares, which I link to. Tells how Al-Qaida with the multi-storey underground fortresses was totally the bogus invention of some prisoner, who got released and even paid for it. | May 09 19:23 |
| GoForbes28 | so why does jono visit here? | May 09 19:24 |
| ThistleWeb | his point is that he'd rather they use some linux than none | May 09 19:24 |
| ThistleWeb | if that means bending ubuntu to cater more to that, so be it | May 09 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: who's point? | May 09 19:24 |
| ThistleWeb | jono | May 09 19:24 |
| MinceR | GoForbes28: if i wanted to assume the worst, i'd say for the same reason as benJIman visits #boycottnovell | May 09 19:24 |
| GoForbes28 | ah | May 09 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | Jono would like people using Ubuntu really, but he would make do (I think that's the correct thing to say) with people using other distro's as well | May 09 19:24 |
| GoForbes28 | or the same reason florian follows Roy on identi | May 09 19:25 |
| MinceR | preferring *ubuntu over winblows and OSuX doesn't mean i agree with most of the things canonical does | May 09 19:25 |
| GoForbes28 | To quote RMS | May 09 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: same here | May 09 19:25 |
| GoForbes28 | "No other GNU/Linux distribution has backslided so far away from freedom. Switching from MS Windows to Linspire does not bring you to freedom, it just gets you a different master." | May 09 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: altough in my case, uhmm, well I guess for me really when it comes to looks and only looks. XP by default would even look much nicer than Ubuntu since 10.04, unless maybe running Unity | May 09 19:26 |
| GoForbes28 | Hence why Jono's logic is flawed | May 09 19:26 |
| GoForbes28 | if you are correct Thistleweb | May 09 19:26 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: i'm not sure if they went that bad, considering the Fisher-Price default look of XP | May 09 19:26 |
| MinceR | :> | May 09 19:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] ♻ @c0y0t3: Ya no se respeta ni el Dominio Público ur1.ca/44jvs #vergonzoso #extorsion #mafia #atraso !eol | May 09 19:27 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: ok yeah maye not for XP, for this, but Vista by default, so yeah looks only, way better than Ubuntu since 10.04 really for me | May 09 19:27 |
| sebsebseb | plus that's dark as well like Ubuntu | May 09 19:27 |
| GoForbes28 | BS sebsebseb | May 09 19:27 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: no it's not | May 09 19:27 |
| GoForbes28 | Vista is ugly is so many places | May 09 19:27 |
| sebsebseb | I quite like the graphics VIsta comes with | May 09 19:27 |
| GoForbes28 | I've been running 7 against my will for months | May 09 19:28 |
| GoForbes28 | it's ugly where it counts | May 09 19:28 |
| GoForbes28 | And inefficient | May 09 19:28 |
| GoForbes28 | huge toolbars, wasted screenspace | May 09 19:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Openbox does tend to take longer to set up but so far, so good, will switch to a rolling #Crunchbang later | May 09 19:28 | |
| GoForbes28 | inconsistent looks | May 09 19:28 |
| GoForbes28 | I'd take practical, Ikea looks any day (XFCE) | May 09 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: Why does jono come here you asked earlier, I said something about jono coming here to msb_ before you came | May 09 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | as for why he comes here uhmm | May 09 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | well | May 09 19:29 |
| msb_ | brb | May 09 19:29 |
| ThistleWeb | freedom is great when it's comparable in quality, in the real world people don't care about freedom, they care about their stuff working, hence the comprimises | May 09 19:29 |
| MinceR | so he can keep an eye on us :> | May 09 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | I remember when I used to think it was, because he was some sort of online friend of schestowitz ,but no I don't think that's quite it | May 09 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah what MinceR said, that's basically what I was going to type | May 09 19:29 |
| ThistleWeb | there's a reason why the 100% free distros have very small techie only users | May 09 19:29 |
| GoForbes28 | thistleweb: Beyond that, they don't care about electing a gov't that promote Internet surveilance -_- | May 09 19:30 |
| ThistleWeb | one day they may be an option for regular people, but it won't be for ages | May 09 19:30 |
| GoForbes28 | Laurel uses Trisquel... | May 09 19:30 |
| GoForbes28 | She ain't techie | May 09 19:30 |
| ThistleWeb | good for her | May 09 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: anyway yeah he probably comes here at times, because he knows there's negative Ubuntu stuff in here sometimes. | May 09 19:30 |
| GoForbes28 | Indeed | May 09 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: indeed to what, what you wer sayigjn about laurel? | May 09 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | laurel wuss rum is an UBuntu user | May 09 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | and Windows user | May 09 19:31 |
| GoForbes28 | So Gordon, something I've been wanting to ask you, how's the political situation in Scotland? Also, I wanted to understand how the representation there works. | May 09 19:31 |
| ThistleWeb | sometimes? it's like a cheerleading echo chamber to blame ubuntu for everything sometimes | May 09 19:31 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: Switched to Trisquel after the font issues | May 09 19:31 |
| ThistleWeb | some of us think we count so we vote | May 09 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: on the subject of cheerleading, really Ubuntu has loads of cheer leaders, most people in it's community, saying how great it is all over the Internet | May 09 19:31 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: For her new book | May 09 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | and so on | May 09 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | or at leat the people I see on the Internet doing it | May 09 19:32 |
| ThistleWeb | it's bad FOR YOU | May 09 19:32 |
| ThistleWeb | it's not bad for many who use it | May 09 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | which is quite a lot | May 09 19:32 |
| GoForbes28 | Thistleweb: I mean, how exactly is Scotland a part of the UK? Is it like a province? Does it have it's own sub-gov't? | May 09 19:32 |
| ThistleWeb | it's a devolved parliment, Blair thoght he'd win lifelong labour control in scotland by giving us a reurendum on devolved govt, which we said yes to.....then went against his plan by deciding for ourselves who we wanted in charge | May 09 19:33 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: I still try it out sometimes, like I was doing recently, so actsauly uhmmm welll and I know what I might get called after saying this, but anyway. I put on the Beta 2. and my latest install is still on here, but this install is one where I installed the Gnome 3 ppa wrongly, and so got basically Gnome 2, with the Gnome 3 tools | May 09 19:33 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah when I bother I will re install give the final another try, Unity and Gnome 3 ppa, but I may even try out Fedora 15 Release Candidate before that or whatever, I mean it's meant to be coming out tommorow | May 09 19:34 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Is the party currently in charge pretty much going to do what the Parti Quebecois did her? | May 09 19:34 |
| ThistleWeb | labour didn't get a free "thanks for life" that they expected, they were part of a long coalition govt until the other day when the SNP got a large majority | May 09 19:34 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: The scottish nationalist party? | May 09 19:34 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: quite a lot of Scots want Scotland to become it's own country again, but also quite a lot want it to stay as part of the UK I guess | May 09 19:34 |
| ThistleWeb | GoForbes28: yep | May 09 19:34 |
| GoForbes28 | So there will be a separation referendum? | May 09 19:35 |
| ThistleWeb | sebsebseb: you're missing the point, it's not for you, if you don't like it fine, use something else | May 09 19:35 |
| ThistleWeb | fedora do great stuff, but it's not for me | May 09 19:35 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: tried Debian testing yet? ;) | May 09 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | sometimes I test software that isn't really aimed at me, like I have been with Unity. so with 10.10 on my desktop, with Ubuntu and Lubuntu. 11.04 alpha 1 with Unity, and yeah Beta 2 | May 09 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | and when I bother the final of 11.04 as well, after the rei nstall | May 09 19:36 |
| ThistleWeb | I try to keep my sarcastic comments about fedora to myself mostly because they do great stuff, it's just not for me | May 09 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: Fedora isn't realy for me either for a few reaosns, but anyway why not for you? | May 09 19:36 |
| GoForbes28 | He prefers Debian | May 09 19:37 |
| sebsebseb | no | May 09 19:37 |
| sebsebseb | he likes LInux Mint a lot | May 09 19:37 |
| GoForbes28 | As do I | May 09 19:37 |
| ThistleWeb | GoForbes28: sadly mint xfce was a total fail on the netbook, so I switched to crunchbang, I'm gonna flip the sources list from squeeze to testing later | May 09 19:37 |
| GoForbes28 | Debian | May 09 19:37 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok ThistleWeb is on Crunchbang | May 09 19:37 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: I meant Debian Testing literally | May 09 19:37 |
| ThistleWeb | mainly because testing has the glorious xfce 4.8 | May 09 19:37 |
| GoForbes28 | My testing right now has been Debian with testing repos on | May 09 19:38 |
| sebsebseb | right, but I think most distro's that provide XFCE have that now | May 09 19:38 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah the netbook went through a few distros over the last week or so, the plan was a rolling mint xfce but it was horrid | May 09 19:38 |
| GoForbes28 | with guidance from Diablo-D3 (thanks) | May 09 19:38 |
| ThistleWeb | unusually glitchy | May 09 19:38 |
| ThistleWeb | so it's crunchbang on openbox | May 09 19:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Finished #MadMen season 4; started out questionable, became good, then much of last episode had !disturbing qualities of end of #Lost | May 09 19:38 | |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: I think Mint rolling is based on Sid | May 09 19:38 |
| GoForbes28 | not testing | May 09 19:38 |
| ThistleWeb | nah it's testing | May 09 19:38 |
| GoForbes28 | I think it is more like aptosid | May 09 19:38 |
| *MinceR prefers debian stable | May 09 19:39 | |
| GoForbes28 | because testing isn't rolling all the time | May 09 19:39 |
| GoForbes28 | MinceR: As I learned from Diablo, testing is what other distros call stable | May 09 19:39 |
| ThistleWeb | whatever it is, it's not right, I had so many issues I'd never expect from mint | May 09 19:39 |
| MinceR | i prefer what that distro calls stable :> | May 09 19:39 |
| GoForbes28 | Diablo indicated that stable is more apporpriate for software testing | May 09 19:40 |
| GoForbes28 | like a science experiment where one variable must be held constant | May 09 19:40 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: anyway Ubuntu is like Windows, and well I do keep an eye on things that are popular here and there, espesially if they are something I could use really reasonably ok as in happyish, with some customising so yeah like Ubuntu for example. and customising could be changing from Unity to something else, or doing things with Unity even, depends. ,but yeah customising means changing something from the default | May 09 19:40 |
| ThistleWeb | sebsebseb: you're free to use whatever you want | May 09 19:40 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: My brother had no luck with regular Mint | May 09 19:40 |
| ThistleWeb | I liked unity, I also liked gnome 3 / gnome shell.....not enough that I'd feel at home, but both have good ideas there | May 09 19:41 |
| sebsebseb | yeah and I am alloweed to talk abad about Ubuntu in here sometimes even :D like other people also do who come here. However I am glad that I don't do negative blog posts about Ubuntu, but well it can be quite fun to read other people's at times :) | May 09 19:41 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Definitely good ideas, brought down by poor execution | May 09 19:41 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: In my opinion | May 09 19:42 |
| ThistleWeb | sebsebseb: you're one of a few who seem to get great pleasure from knocking ubuntu in here, even though you don't use it | May 09 19:42 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Every time I've tried Gnome, I last about 5 minutes | May 09 19:42 |
| MinceR | i don't do negative blog posts about anything :> | May 09 19:42 |
| GoForbes28 | I do, mostly about Harper | May 09 19:43 |
| GoForbes28 | if you count Identi as a blog service | May 09 19:43 |
| ThistleWeb | GoForbes28: they're not for everyone I agree, they're also very early projects that will improve with time, fix bugs, better hardware support etc | May 09 19:43 |
| schestowitz | HAARPer | May 09 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: well I am really using it at the moment, and explaiend why above. altough I did re install the Beta 2 after things went wrong before, specifically to try out the Gnome 3 ppa, but tha didn't quite go as planned either. I had isues with a lot of Live CD's with Gnome 3, so wanted to try the ppa. | May 09 19:43 |
| ThistleWeb | the hardware part seems to be a BIG issue with a lot of people with both gnome shell and unity | May 09 19:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] Que pasa cuando un "grande" infringe copyright,eh? http://losojosdeella.blogspot.com/2011/05/este-blog-pide-al-diario-abc-que-done.html !eol | May 09 19:43 | |
| GoForbes28 | Thistleweb: You were right about Mint being testing, sorry | May 09 19:43 |
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| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: My interview went well :) | May 09 19:43 |
| GoForbes28 | Thistleweb: Still, you should give regular Debian Testing a go | May 09 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | and I even here and there take part in some of the Ubuntu Community stuff still, so being clear, I have mixed feelngs when it comes to Ubuntu | May 09 19:44 |
| ThistleWeb | sebsebseb: what part of "Beta 2" made you assume you were installing a fully final and tested product? | May 09 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | yes yes, I know about the bugs and such, done development versions before | May 09 19:44 |
| GoForbes28 | Thistleweb: Has less extraneous "crap" (my opinion) that could cause problems | May 09 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | that's also why I should get round to re instaling with the final soon, and then give the ppa another try and such, but I haven't been bothered to just yet | May 09 19:45 |
| GoForbes28 | Schestowitz: Let me be clear about being clear | May 09 19:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Friends and members: What new company do YOU want to see in the "Who Has Your Back" privacy campaign? #standwithme https://eff.org/r.48R | May 09 19:45 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: We Want to Hear from You: Who Else Should Have Your Back? | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 19.25 KB | May 09 19:45 |
| ThistleWeb | don't get me wrong, neither are perfect, both are lacking features etc but neither are made by people who are trying to kill linux | May 09 19:45 |
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| ThistleWeb | my netbook has the drivers to do the 3d acel in both, so maybe I got lucky there, albeit with a small cpu etc so my experiences weren't too bad with either | May 09 19:46 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Well, not the technical part, but there is a threat to the culture and community surrounding it, though small right now | May 09 19:46 |
| GoForbes28 | For ex., the Ubuntu as the "one" GNU+Linux | May 09 19:46 |
| GoForbes28 | Which reminds me of the two-party system | May 09 19:47 |
| GoForbes28 | and rubs me the same way | May 09 19:47 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: Canonical want to spread Ubuntu, unfortuantly as a result, they are also making things much harder for other Linux distributions when it comes to getting a big userbase | May 09 19:47 |
| GoForbes28 | (Canada should not go in that direction if the US is the ideal example) | May 09 19:47 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: Not necessarily | May 09 19:48 |
| ThistleWeb | people who come to linux with ubuntu are not all the same, plenty don't care about what it is, they just wanna use it, other distros never had a chance with them | May 09 19:48 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: yes they are, and right now, there is no other distro that can comepte agaisnt it properly, not even Fedora | May 09 19:48 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: Ubuntu's position is conditional. Even Opensuse was very popular | May 09 19:48 |
| ThistleWeb | others who come to it, and gradually explore linux, FOSS etc will see there's plenty other options and try others as they get comfy | May 09 19:48 |
| ThistleWeb | some will prefer other distros, DE's etc | May 09 19:49 |
| GoForbes28 | Thistleweb: Hopefully yes | May 09 19:49 |
| ThistleWeb | some will prefer Ubuntu | May 09 19:49 |
| ThistleWeb | I'd rather they prefer ubuntu that windows or osx, it's still linux | May 09 19:49 |
| sebsebseb | in my expereince quite a lot of Ubuntu newbies, are up to being told about things, upstream, other DE's, other Linux distributions, and so on | May 09 19:49 |
| ThistleWeb | they may well contribute in other ways to other projects like libreoffice, gimp, scribus etc that we all benefit from | May 09 19:50 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: I don't want other distros to match Ubuntu in order to compete with it | May 09 19:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Linux Journal • by Michael Reed • Kdenlive 0.8 Relased http://ping.fm/ij2Co | May 09 19:50 | |
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| GoForbes28 | Ubuntu in many ways does things wrong | May 09 19:50 |
| GoForbes28 | stability for example | May 09 19:50 |
| GoForbes28 | No where near Debian | May 09 19:50 |
| GoForbes28 | Ubuntu hides this deficiency with non-essential features and eye-candy | May 09 19:51 |
| GoForbes28 | like how Windows does | May 09 19:51 |
| sebsebseb | I guess really most of the time I would still want them using Ubuntu really, instead or as well as, but then Ubuntu as main OS, instead of Windows or Mac OS X, but then again I really don't care as much about that as I used to, and also I would prefer that they used some other distro now instead, because of the direciton Ubuntu ahs been going in since 9.04, altough the new direction properly started with 10.04. | May 09 19:51 |
| GoForbes28 | Cerainly not to the same extent, but it's the same concept | May 09 19:51 |
| ThistleWeb | if people come to ubuntu and stay on it, it will swell ubuntu's numbers, helping make the case that linux is mainstream and should be treated as such by hardware vendors | May 09 19:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Canonical Blog: Canonical and Lenovo Collaboration http://ping.fm/H3Gql | May 09 19:52 | |
| sebsebseb | well yes and no to cthat | May 09 19:52 |
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| ThistleWeb | hopefully with retailers offering preinstalled ubuntu as well as windows | May 09 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | ,because the companies may start making for only Ubuntu, not more than one distro | May 09 19:52 |
| *ThistleWeb sighs | May 09 19:52 | |
| ThistleWeb | this is a pointless argument | May 09 19:52 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Problem is, what if that goal results in Ubuntu DRM or becoming overly proprietary? | May 09 19:52 |
| ThistleWeb | feel free to pour bile on ubuntu, you're gonna anyway | May 09 19:52 |
| sebsebseb | Windows, Mac OS X, and Ubuntu, that's what they may end up making their thing, since companies tend to care about most market share, and yep it will be Ubuntu | May 09 19:52 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: For example, when Toyota wanted to become #1, they sacrificed a lot of what the company stood for, allowing some negative American practices to distort the company's original mission | May 09 19:53 |
| sebsebseb | also something related to do with market share, well maybe it's a good thing that Firefox as of verison 4, and chrome/chromium soon or already, no longer say th Desktop Linux dsitro someone is on in the user agent string, instead just say Linux. However why would that be a good thing when on about market share? well, because all or most Desktop Linux distro's are pretty similar anyawy really, and how maybe people should Desktop Linux with | May 09 19:54 |
| sebsebseb | many distro's, not this distro, that distro, and that distro | May 09 19:54 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: It's all well and good to have an OEM Linux, but what have we won when so much compromise has taken place that the situation is just as RMS described it? | May 09 19:54 |
| ThistleWeb | it's stepping stones | May 09 19:54 |
| GoForbes28 | We will have transitioned from Coke to Pepsi, wipdee-doo | May 09 19:54 |
| GoForbes28 | It's the same cloud computing arguement I've heard around | May 09 19:55 |
| ThistleWeb | anyone holding out for a magical leap across the void from a closed world to a totally open one is gonna wait a LONG time | May 09 19:55 |
| GoForbes28 | Definitely | May 09 19:55 |
| ThistleWeb | it needs to be done in steps | May 09 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: Jono Bacon | May 09 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | well he says his thing about market share | May 09 19:55 |
| sebsebseb | it was in that audio cast episode as well | May 09 19:55 |
| GoForbes28 | It reminds me of the cloud computing articles | May 09 19:55 |
| GoForbes28 | *arguments | May 09 19:56 |
| ThistleWeb | if that means putting like flash player on so people can watch youtube, so be it | May 09 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | well not so much about market share, but about non technical users, and how over time, can get more and more of them using a distro | May 09 19:56 |
| ThistleWeb | in the meantime the pressure builds to make yooutube all html5 so it's not needed | May 09 19:56 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Luckly, flash is dying if all indications are correct | May 09 19:56 |
| ThistleWeb | it's not dying | May 09 19:56 |
| sebsebseb | Flash doesn't bother me that much, altoug yeah it can crash and make the computer run bad, but yeah I want Flash installed. and have it installed | May 09 19:56 |
| ThistleWeb | more and more are seeing html5 may be the better bet for stuff like videos | May 09 19:57 |
| GoForbes28 | Really, I don't want to put my trust in a company who's Reader product was sandboxed, and still is a poorly protected mess | May 09 19:57 |
| sebsebseb | anyway Richard Stallman for example would be like NO FLASH it's propritary | May 09 19:57 |
| GoForbes28 | Well, I moving away from Flash | May 09 19:57 |
| GoForbes28 | It has pissed me off one too many timies | May 09 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Don't say mono bacon, please | May 09 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Our enemies the mono trolls use that against us | May 09 19:57 |
| ThistleWeb | think of it like php apps, php may not be the best choice for some stuff, in many cases it isn't but what it does have is the sheer number of people who speak php | May 09 19:57 |
| schestowitz | And jono is not really pro-mono | May 09 19:58 |
| schestowitz | He's apathetic | May 09 19:58 |
| schestowitz | mono is money | May 09 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: who called him that just now? I don't see it | May 09 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Don't call jono a monkey | May 09 19:58 |
| schestowitz | It's not just true or respectful | May 09 19:58 |
| schestowitz | And MinceR, Canonical is not Novell 2.0 | May 09 19:58 |
| schestowitz | They are *very* different companies | May 09 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Canonical is all FOSS (almost) | May 09 19:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] heise security • Identity theft with !OpenID http://ping.fm/LhCRe | May 09 19:58 | |
| ThistleWeb | flash is the same, plenty of web devs have bought into that as a way to have visual pointy clicky websites and adverts | May 09 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | oh your replying to MinceR from earlier | May 09 19:58 |
| GoForbes28 | That's for sure | May 09 19:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Identity theft with OpenID - The H Security: News and Features .::. Size~: 43.01 KB | May 09 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Novell is a piece of rubbish | May 09 19:58 |
| schestowitz | It just bought Ximian and SUSE | May 09 19:58 |
| schestowitz | And Novell pays Microsoft for Linux | May 09 19:59 |
| ThistleWeb | mp3 is everywhere, so is h264 | May 09 19:59 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Yeah, the adverts are often malcious | May 09 19:59 |
| ThistleWeb | the point is a lot of people who make sites and stuff for sites use it | May 09 19:59 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: I wouldn't mind ads that were safe and unobtrusive | May 09 19:59 |
| ThistleWeb | they have to switch their skills to adapt, or keep doing what they do without retraining | May 09 19:59 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: good luck on the interview | May 09 20:00 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: It's done | May 09 20:00 |
| GoForbes28 | ... | May 09 20:00 |
| ThistleWeb | like windows, they may hate fighting with it's quirks, but they've got a lot of experience doing it | May 09 20:00 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: job interview? | May 09 20:00 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: That's why I object so strongly to the Excel course a part of my university | May 09 20:00 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: Yeah | May 09 20:00 |
| schestowitz | good luck re outcome | May 09 20:00 |
| GoForbes28 | I have the job | May 09 20:01 |
| GoForbes28 | *got the job | May 09 20:01 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: Ubuntu One Music Sotre, Software Cente offering propritary software, Ubuntu One pay for more space. Yes all that may be a bad thing really for quite a few of us from a technical freedom point of view and all tha. However this is stuff the average consumer may want to use and even pay for, so yep it's in Ubuntu. | May 09 20:01 |
| schestowitz | what area is it if I may ask? | May 09 20:01 |
| GoForbes28 | Community Service for disadvantaged kids | May 09 20:01 |
| schestowitz | nice | May 09 20:01 |
| GoForbes28 | thanks | May 09 20:01 |
| schestowitz | a friend's girlfriend does that | May 09 20:01 |
| ThistleWeb | congrats | May 09 20:01 |
| GoForbes28 | Thanks Gord | May 09 20:01 |
| schestowitz | *very* ethical job | May 09 20:01 |
| GoForbes28 | Definitely | May 09 20:02 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Do you mind the name "Gord" BTW? | May 09 20:02 |
| ThistleWeb | unless it's an offshoot of Foxconn where the "help" is "work experience ina sweat shop making iPads" | May 09 20:02 |
| ThistleWeb | I prefer Gordon | May 09 20:02 |
| schestowitz | it's not an unethical job | May 09 20:02 |
| schestowitz | They make products | May 09 20:02 |
| GoForbes28 | Thistleweb: Ok | May 09 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Those who abuse them have unethical jobs | May 09 20:02 |
| schestowitz | Those who put them in these conditions | May 09 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Most jobs are ethical | May 09 20:03 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: unethical conditions | May 09 20:03 |
| GoForbes28 | indeed, the core of the jobs is ethical | May 09 20:03 |
| schestowitz | But the minority that pays a lot of money has a lower proportion of ethical positiions | May 09 20:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !GNOME 3 versus GNOME 2 debates • by Smooge http://ping.fm/E2Q3z | May 09 20:03 | |
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| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: Just ask the Harper Party -_- | May 09 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | msb_: uhmmm this I should have sent to you as wel really, and it was in reply to ThistleWeb 's comment about Flash being in a distro so be it for more users: Ubuntu One Music Sotre, Software Cente offering propritary software, Ubuntu One pay for more space. Yes all that may be a bad thing really for quite a few of us from a technical freedom point of view and all tha. However this is stuff the average consumer may want to use and even pay for | May 09 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | so yep it's in Ubuntu. | May 09 20:04 |
| schestowitz | to clarify: The kid who builds a product for you=ethical job. But the company the kid works for is likely managed by shameless bastards | May 09 20:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Google linking Android to App Engine cloud (Computerworld): http://bit.ly/lQ2w2K | May 09 20:05 | |
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| sebsebseb | msb_: your away or whatever, but you may read that later :d ^ | May 09 20:05 |
| schestowitz | IOW, don't blame people who clean kitchen at McDonalds for McDonalds being a disgusting company | May 09 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | [19:47] <GoForbes28> sebsebseb: Ubuntu's position is conditional. Even Opensuse was very popular | May 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | The person most likely already knows his employer is a POS | May 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | or her | May 09 20:06 |
| sebsebseb | [19:49] <GoForbes28> sebsebseb: I don't want other distros to match Ubuntu in order to compete with it | May 09 20:06 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: Can you explain what you meant by this ^ properly? | May 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | The 'front end' staff in McDonalds gets most of the abuse though | May 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Which is sad | May 09 20:06 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: I cont'd afterwards | May 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | The monsters use them as human shields | May 09 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Fodder | May 09 20:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Installing !Fedora 15 for #PPC on an #IBM Power machine • by Dan Horák http://ping.fm/WiHeq | May 09 20:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Nice to see Fedora working on a broader range of hardware, even tho I'll never personally make use of it :) | May 09 20:07 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: sharkcz - Installing Fedora 15 for PPC on an IBM Power machine .::. Size~: 30.19 KB | May 09 20:07 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: well yeah sort of, but you didn't explain why you don't want another distro to compete agasinst it | May 09 20:07 |
| schestowitz | I recently set up a Linux server at a school for disabled children | May 09 20:07 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: why you don't want another to give it some nice proper comeptition :) | May 09 20:07 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: Thanks for pointing out the job ethics point out. I didn't think about that.:) | May 09 20:08 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: that reminds me, you thought about a mumble server to do techbytes? | May 09 20:08 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: I refered to Ubuntu's practice of hiding stability issue through the cloak of eye candy and non-essentially "gadget" features | May 09 20:08 |
| ThistleWeb | it's surprisingly decent | May 09 20:08 |
| ThistleWeb | may get a better, more consistent sound quality when more people are on | May 09 20:09 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: yeah Ubuntu is more about what is seen, than what is underneath, I guess | May 09 20:09 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: "Gadget" <> Widget or whatever | May 09 20:09 |
| GoForbes28 | Gadget in the more general sense | May 09 20:09 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: That I don't like | May 09 20:09 |
| GoForbes28 | I sacrifice looks for functionality | May 09 20:10 |
| sebsebseb | yeah, but it didn't used to be this way | May 09 20:10 |
| sebsebseb | that stuff started when 9.04 was in development | May 09 20:10 |
| GoForbes28 | I want Ikea furniture | May 09 20:10 |
| GoForbes28 | -kinda thing | May 09 20:10 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: Don't be so gloom. The derivatives seem to be practicing increased independence | May 09 20:10 |
| GoForbes28 | Xubuntu comes to mind | May 09 20:11 |
| sebsebseb | oh you think Ikea furniture is good? well ok I am half Swedish, but my English father would say to my Swedish mother at times maybe, about Ikea furtniture being cheap junk, or something like that | May 09 20:11 |
| GoForbes28 | The chair I'm sitting in is nice :) | May 09 20:11 |
| GoForbes28 | simple | May 09 20:11 |
| GoForbes28 | attractive | May 09 20:11 |
| GoForbes28 | but not flashy or over adorned | May 09 20:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @araceletorres: RT @falaflo Noam #Chomsky: My Reaction to Osama bin Laden’s Death http://is.gd/9UShvC #USAma | May 09 20:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The Pirate Bay: “The Battle of Internets is About to Begin” | TorrentFreak http://ping.fm/qpnQ9 | May 09 20:12 | |
| GoForbes28 | and you know how it is put together | May 09 20:12 |
| ThistleWeb | sebsebseb: we live in a "good enough" world | May 09 20:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Guernica / Noam Chomsky: My Reaction to Osama bin Laden’s Death .::. Size~: 19.74 KB | May 09 20:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Pirate Bay: “The Battle of Internets is About to Begin” | TorrentFreak .::. Size~: 26.21 KB | May 09 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | I had a nice wodden chair from Ikea, but well eventauly it broke, after about two years or something though | May 09 20:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/open-source/is-mono-dead-is-novell-dying/8821 | May 09 20:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Is Mono dead? Is Novell dying? | ZDNet .::. Size~: 136.45 KB | May 09 20:12 |
| schestowitz | [20:08] <ThistleWeb> schestowitz: that reminds me, you thought about a mumble server to do techbytes? | May 09 20:12 |
| schestowitz | yes | May 09 20:12 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: ok your trying to say basically, Ubuntu is a good enough Linux distro really? | May 09 20:13 |
| schestowitz | need to test it over the weekend | May 09 20:13 |
| ThistleWeb | I was very pleasantly surpriesd with mumble | May 09 20:13 |
| schestowitz | sebsebseb: me uses Ikea for lots of things | May 09 20:13 |
| ThistleWeb | sebsebseb: for most of it's users it is | May 09 20:13 |
| ThistleWeb | windows xp is also good enough for most, because they don't know better | May 09 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | well it still can be for me really, it's jsut I got to change much more now, than I used to have to do | May 09 20:14 |
| GoForbes28 | Gordon, what IM are you using now for TechBytes? Is it still Skype? | May 09 20:14 |
| sebsebseb | well if securty is done right, and no I don't mean anti virus, I mean limited acccounts, more secure brwoser, a sandbox possibly even. anwyay security done right and Windows XP isn't that bad really | May 09 20:15 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm only on the audio eps, and yes skype for that | May 09 20:15 |
| GoForbes28 | Sebsebseb: Adobe Reader has a sandbox and STILL has security problems | May 09 20:15 |
| GoForbes28 | Dang | May 09 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: thing is, many other Linux distributions would be better for most Ubuntu users, but yep they don't know that, or using your word, they don't know better | May 09 20:15 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Have you tried alternative clients in Windows? | May 09 20:15 |
| sebsebseb | GoForbes28: Chrome has a sandbox | May 09 20:16 |
| ThistleWeb | GoForbes28: I raraly use windows | May 09 20:16 |
| GoForbes28 | It also is more free software, | May 09 20:16 |
| ThistleWeb | I try to avoid it if I can | May 09 20:16 |
| sebsebseb | Adobe Reader has had a Linux version for well qutie a long time now | May 09 20:16 |
| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: Yeah, this is more for troubleshotting, see if it is an OS issue, hardware, or connection | May 09 20:16 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: I wouldn't use it either :P | May 09 20:17 |
| ThistleWeb | yes, and lots of other pdf readers work much better on linux | May 09 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | iwell yeah | May 09 20:17 |
| GoForbes28 | not to mention much smaller too | May 09 20:17 |
| ThistleWeb | all of them MUCH lighter than adobe's client | May 09 20:17 |
| GoForbes28 | 300+ MB for a F**king reader | May 09 20:17 |
| sebsebseb | I think I have had Adobe Reader installed in PC Linux OS maybe, but other then that, no don't think so for Linux | May 09 20:17 |
| ThistleWeb | the extra MB adds xtra importance to the words you read, making it a richer reading experience ;P | May 09 20:18 |
| sebsebseb | and if so it either came with it, probably not. actsaully I think I may have installe it from the repo. ,but anyway yeah whatever | May 09 20:18 |
| sebsebseb | and yep we got loads of good alternative PDF viewers | May 09 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | readers | May 09 20:19 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: Same thing | May 09 20:19 |
| ThistleWeb | not nessesarily, people double clicka pdf in linux, chances are it opens for them to read it, they don't care that it's not the official adobe client | May 09 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | yep same thing | May 09 20:19 |
| ThistleWeb | they only go looking if they try to open a file and it won't open | May 09 20:19 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: I run it right now | May 09 20:19 |
| schestowitz | The wizards are nice | May 09 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | and luckily, many Internet users, don't care that much abuot using the Blue E anymore as well these days :) | May 09 20:19 |
| sebsebseb | you nkow the offical Microsoft Windows browser | May 09 20:20 |
| GoForbes28 | Schestowitz: Run what? Adobe reader? | May 09 20:20 |
| schestowitz | no, nm | May 09 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | yeah the Blue E is the whole Internet :D | May 09 20:20 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: It's an OS component silly. Totally intergrated, unseparatablee | May 09 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | well there are some progrms that can disable IE or at least disable it more | May 09 20:20 |
| GoForbes28 | sebsebseb: Like how you can't remove a car radio with your hands | May 09 20:20 |
| sebsebseb | that was meant to be, remove IE or at least disable more | May 09 20:21 |
| GoForbes28 | Therefore, it isn't seperatable | May 09 20:21 |
| GoForbes28 | [/sarcasm] | May 09 20:21 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: lol, what did you mean? | May 09 20:21 |
| ThistleWeb | schestowitz: do you have a mumble server set up? | May 09 20:21 |
| GoForbes28 | Dumb me | May 09 20:21 |
| GoForbes28 | of course... | May 09 20:22 |
| schestowitz | ThistleWeb: not server | May 09 20:22 |
| schestowitz | client | May 09 20:22 |
| ThistleWeb | k | May 09 20:22 |
| schestowitz | and we would need recording | May 09 20:22 |
| GoForbes28 | !google mumble server | May 09 20:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Mumble | http://mumble.sourceforge.net/ | May 09 20:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Mumblevoice.com - Mumble voice hosting servers, probably better ... | http://www.mumblevoice.com/ | May 09 20:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Cheap Mumble Hosting from $2.00! | Mumble Server Host & Rental | http://www.gameservers.com/mumble_murmur/ | May 09 20:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Mumble (software) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mumble_(software) | May 09 20:22 |
| GoForbes28 | oh yeah! I remember that nwo | May 09 20:22 |
| GoForbes28 | now | May 09 20:23 |
| GoForbes28 | Think of it Roy, we could do TechBytes and play BZFlag at the same time | May 09 20:23 |
| GoForbes28 | :) | May 09 20:23 |
| GoForbes28 | :-D | May 09 20:23 |
| schestowitz | http://www.deseretnews.com/article/705372014/Overstock-looking-to-hire-some-of-those-fired-by-Novell.html | May 09 20:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Overstock looking to hire some of those fired by Novell | Deseret News .::. Size~: 63.78 KB | May 09 20:23 |
| ThistleWeb | MineBytes | May 09 20:23 |
| schestowitz | MineCraft | May 09 20:23 |
| GoForbes28 | There are no mines in BZFlag :( | May 09 20:23 |
| GoForbes28 | BZBytes? | May 09 20:24 |
| GoForbes28 | TechFlag? | May 09 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | MineBombs | May 09 20:24 |
| sebsebseb | MineBangs | May 09 20:24 |
| GoForbes28 | that reminds me | May 09 20:24 |
| GoForbes28 | !google xonotic | May 09 20:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Xonotic | http://www.xonotic.org/ | May 09 20:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Download | Xonotic | http://www.xonotic.org/download/ | May 09 20:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Xonotic Forums | http://forums.xonotic.org/ | May 09 20:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Xonotic - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xonotic | May 09 20:24 |
| ThistleWeb | MineCamp has the wrong image to it | May 09 20:25 |
| GoForbes28 | nope, no updates there | May 09 20:25 |
| GoForbes28 | TechFlag has a double meaning | May 09 20:25 |
| GoForbes28 | you are flagging bad tech | May 09 20:25 |
| GoForbes28 | Of course, it opens the door for unfortunate Freudian slips :P | May 09 20:25 |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: Are you using SIP or Ekiga for T-Bytes for the most part now? | May 09 20:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] ♺ [iFixit] just took apart an FBI tracking device. Want to see what's inside? http://www.ifixit.com/Teardown/Tracking-Device-Teardown/5250/1 | May 09 20:27 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Tracking Device Teardown - iFixit .::. Size~: 53.8 KB | May 09 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Asayroll: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/06/who_should_buy_skype/ | May 09 20:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Dear Google and Facebook: You don't want Skype • The Register .::. Size~: 24.82 KB | May 09 20:29 |
| schestowitz | BTW even red hat staff calls him asaytroll | May 09 20:29 |
| schestowitz | meaning asay troll | May 09 20:29 |
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| GoForbes28 | "him"? | May 09 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Yes! | May 09 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Judas! | May 09 20:30 |
| Ender_nothome | yo yo | May 09 20:30 |
| schestowitz | What's up? | May 09 20:30 |
| GoForbes28 | Judas? | May 09 20:30 |
| Ender_nothome | not much | May 09 20:31 |
| GoForbes28 | !google techrights judas | May 09 20:31 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: joke | May 09 20:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - ES: La Procedencia De Microsoft Florian | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/01/29/where-is-ms-florian-provenance-es/ | May 09 20:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Office Suites | Techrights | http://techrights.org/category/office-suites/ | May 09 20:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - GNOME-Mono Dependency Revisited (Updated) | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2007/11/05/gnome-mono-yelp/ | May 09 20:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - GNOME and Novell: The FUD Never Existed (Updatedx2) | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2007/11/26/the-novell-fud-never-existed/ | May 09 20:31 |
| Ender_nothome | lol | May 09 20:32 |
| schestowitz | some people called de Icaza Judas in the comments | May 09 20:32 |
| GoForbes28 | oh | May 09 20:32 |
| schestowitz | I didn't post such stuff in posts | May 09 20:32 |
| Ender_nothome | yeah | May 09 20:32 |
| GoForbes28 | Mikey | May 09 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Some commenters launched personal attacks | May 09 20:32 |
| GoForbes28 | Mikey Decal | May 09 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Like calling de Icaza gay and ridiculing his parents | May 09 20:32 |
| GoForbes28 | That goes a little far | May 09 20:32 |
| schestowitz | It does | May 09 20:33 |
| GoForbes28 | Even I wouldn't make a Harper insult like that in a blog post | May 09 20:33 |
| Ender_nothome | I did a little new-agy name analysis on Florian | May 09 20:33 |
| GoForbes28 | oh boy... | May 09 20:34 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: I'm in the news today: http://universe.byu.edu/node/15863 | May 09 20:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Job cutbacks not novel concept at Novell | Universe.byu.edu .::. Size~: 22.77 KB | May 09 20:34 |
| Ender_nothome | Flo = currency, orion = the hunter | May 09 20:34 |
| GoForbes28 | "Twitter user"? lol | May 09 20:34 |
| schestowitz | LOL | May 09 20:34 |
| Ender_nothome | hes a money hunter | May 09 20:34 |
| Ender_nothome | lol | May 09 20:34 |
| schestowitz | GoForbes28: yes, odd.. | May 09 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Since I was using identica | May 09 20:34 |
| schestowitz | And Twitter got a copy | May 09 20:34 |
| Ender_nothome | theres also a MULE in his last name | May 09 20:34 |
| schestowitz | Now I'm reduced to just "Twitter user" | May 09 20:35 |
| GoForbes28 | which the troll will reduce to just twit | May 09 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Roy Schestowitz (Dec 17 1981-2011), "Twitter user"... well, that's about it | May 09 20:35 |
| schestowitz | She could at least mention Boycott Novell | May 09 20:35 |
| GoForbes28 | Or your PHD | May 09 20:35 |
| schestowitz | I was always posting in identica fist | May 09 20:35 |
| schestowitz | first | May 09 20:36 |
| schestowitz | i only joined twitter later | May 09 20:36 |
| GoForbes28 | Twitter is pop culture, see | May 09 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Now I become another bird among millions | May 09 20:36 |
| GoForbes28 | Might as well described you as human | May 09 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Fry is on it | May 09 20:36 |
| schestowitz | He's awesome | May 09 20:36 |
| schestowitz | !google stephen fry atheism | May 09 20:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - I love you, Stephen Fry « The Good Atheist | http://www.thegoodatheist.net/2009/06/08/i-love-you-stephen-fry/ | May 09 20:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - YouTube - God Is Everywhere | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DoR5hWbfZsYs | May 09 20:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - The Atheist Handbook: Stephen Fry on god and gods | http://theatheisthandbook.blogspot.com/2010/01/stephen-fry-on-god-and-gods.html | May 09 20:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Stephen Fry - Celebrity Atheist List | http://www.celebatheists.com/wiki/Stephen_Fry | May 09 20:37 |
| GoForbes28 | !google Stephen Fry Hugh Laurie free software | May 09 20:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Stephen Fry - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stephen_Fry | May 09 20:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Stephen Fry Hugh Laurie Barmys Choice Dialogue - Free MP3 Download | http://www.mp3rocket.com/mp3/-1_00/Stephen-Fry-Hugh-Laurie-Barmys-Choice-Dialogue.htm | May 09 20:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Amazon.com: Jeeves & Wooster - The Complete Series: Stephen Fry ... | http://www.amazon.com/Jeeves-Wooster-Complete-Stephen-Fry/dp/B00006AVRK | May 09 20:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - YouTube - Stephen Fry talks about free software (GNU 25th Birthday) | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DYGbMbF0mdPU | May 09 20:37 |
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| GoForbes28 | ThistleWeb: You are still here, right? | May 09 20:38 |
| ThistleWind | yep | May 09 20:38 |
| GoForbes28 | What happened? | May 09 20:38 |
| ThistleWind | just checking my netbook xchat config | May 09 20:38 |
| GoForbes28 | I C | May 09 20:38 |
| ThistleWeb | copied across the config, had to tweak lil things like font size etc | May 09 20:38 |
| GoForbes28 | I continue to C | May 09 20:39 |
| *ThistleWind waves to the peanut gallery | May 09 20:39 | |
| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: Have you tried PSI+ yet? | May 09 20:39 |
| ThistleWeb | ThistleWind: | May 09 20:39 |
| ThistleWeb | k, the alerts ork | May 09 20:39 |
| GoForbes28 | I want an alerts ork | May 09 20:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] there should be a re-spin of #Twitter based on the comedy stylings of Frankie Howerd called #Titter with lot's of "ooooh's" | May 09 20:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Scientific Study Links Flammable Drinking Water to #Fracking - http://bit.ly/mRkkan no longer "anecdotal": it's in the PNAS | May 09 20:40 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Scientific Study Links Flammable Drinking Water to Fracking - ProPublica .::. Size~: 52.71 KB | May 09 20:40 |
| Ender_nothome | meg steven fry | May 09 20:40 |
| Ender_nothome | meh | May 09 20:40 |
| GoForbes28 | you've made a lot of slips with "Meg" | May 09 20:41 |
| GoForbes28 | Let's explore ths | May 09 20:41 |
| GoForbes28 | (Schestowitz: There's a conspiracy here!!) | May 09 20:41 |
| Ender_nothome | meh as in he doesn't impress me | May 09 20:43 |
| GoForbes28 | you said meg the first time | May 09 20:43 |
| Ender_nothome | yeah its a typo | May 09 20:43 |
| GoForbes28 | sure, it MIGHT be | May 09 20:43 |
| GoForbes28 | or maybe you are hiding something... | May 09 20:43 |
| Ender_nothome | are you smart enough to figure it out? | May 09 20:44 |
| GoForbes28 | Meg is your secret communist mistress? | May 09 20:44 |
| schestowitz | Mig? | May 09 20:44 |
| Ender_nothome | nope, meg energy is my employer | May 09 20:44 |
| Ender_nothome | an oil company in alberty | May 09 20:44 |
| schestowitz | !Google mig plane communist | May 09 20:44 |
| schestowitz | !google mig plane communist | May 09 20:45 |
| Ender_nothome | buahahhaahaa | May 09 20:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - The MiG-15 | http://www.plane-crazy.net/links/mig15.htm | May 09 20:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Mikoyan-Gurevich MiG-15 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mikoyan-Gurevich_MiG-15 | May 09 20:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Mikoyan-Gurevich Mig-15 | http://www.novacon.com.br/Mig15.htm | May 09 20:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Korean Air War | http://www.wio.ru/korea/korea-a.htm | May 09 20:45 |
| GoForbes28 | !google alberta gun nuts | May 09 20:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Canadian Gun Nutz | http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/ | May 09 20:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Online gun auction? - Alberta Outdoorsmen Forum | http://www.outdoorsmenforum.ca/showthread.php%3Ft%3D11106 | May 09 20:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - YouTube - gun nuts | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dr-hZYiAveiI | May 09 20:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - View topic - Alberta retiree arrested at Ottawa gun registry ... | http://www.freedominion.ca/phpBB2/viewtopic.php%3Fp%3D69642 | May 09 20:45 |
| Ender_nothome | or was it MEG, the NYSE symbol for Media General | May 09 20:46 |
| Ender_nothome | you'll never know | May 09 20:46 |
| GoForbes28 | Meg Griffin is your secret obsession? | May 09 20:46 |
| Ender_nothome | from Family Guy? | May 09 20:46 |
| GoForbes28 | I would think so | May 09 20:46 |
| Ender_nothome | shes hot | May 09 20:46 |
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| GoForbes28 | ... | May 09 20:47 |
| GoForbes28 | So Roy, have you tried PSI+ yet? (schestowitz) | May 09 20:47 |
| Ender_nothome | GoForbes28 - Look at the green book in the background: http://www.endalldisease.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/Family-Guy.jpg | May 09 20:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | May 09 20:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Meet EFF at our Members-Only Speakeasy in Washington DC on Thursday! https://eff.org/r.46W | May 09 20:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pmctechblog/@pmctechblog] Slow #Internet speeds in Washington, #DC: http://is.gd/vYz7Su | May 09 20:48 | |
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| GoForbes28 | illuminati, so what? | May 09 20:49 |
| GoForbes28 | !google Peter Gabriel big time illuminati | May 09 20:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - I Sold My Soul To Rock & Roll & Mind Control - Illuminati News ... | http://www.illuminati-news.com/art-and-mc/bob-geldolf.htm | May 09 20:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - YouTube - Peter Gabriel Using Illuminati Symbolism | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Daed8-Nkl--I | May 09 20:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - YouTube - Peter Gabriel - Big Time [PLAY-Version] | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DAOYK7sG5c2Q | May 09 20:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Peter Gabriel - Big Time, check symbolism/imagery - David Icke's ... | http://www.davidicke.com/forum/showthread.php%3Ft%3D149233 | May 09 20:49 |
| GoForbes28 | OH MY GODDDddddd. | May 09 20:49 |
| Ender_nothome | oh nice | May 09 20:49 |
| Ender_nothome | suprised to see roy link that stuff | May 09 20:49 |
| Ender_nothome | oh its google | May 09 20:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is thistleweb with 66 dents! | May 09 20:50 | |
| Ender_nothome | they invented communism to start the french revolution | May 09 20:50 |
| Ender_nothome | among other invasions/revolutions | May 09 20:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @mattl: Please help the Libre Graphics Meeting next week and donate a few dollars to the volunteer-run conference -- http://ur1.ca/3lsut | May 09 20:52 | |
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| Ender_nothome | I was actually talking to someone here yesterday who also knows what is going on | May 09 20:52 |
| schestowitz | [20:47] <GoForbes28> So Roy, have you tried PSI+ yet? (schestowitz) | May 09 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Not yet | May 09 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Ender_nothome: riddle me this | May 09 20:53 |
| schestowitz | what is it with the reptilian thing and Icke? | May 09 20:53 |
| schestowitz | Did he make claims as crazy as he's said to have made? | May 09 20:54 |
| schestowitz | There are his political opinions | May 09 20:54 |
| Ender_nothome | thats part of his disinformation | May 09 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Which are not crazy | May 09 20:54 |
| Ender_nothome | he mixes fact and fiction | May 09 20:54 |
| schestowitz | But I also heard him made fun of for other crazy balony | May 09 20:54 |
| schestowitz | *baloney | May 09 20:54 |
| Ender_nothome | he used to work for the media, as a sports broadcaster | May 09 20:54 |
| schestowitz | So the question is, what would he say in his defence? | May 09 20:54 |
| schestowitz | Ender_nothome: and.. | May 09 20:55 |
| Ender_nothome | im not sure, i dont really follow his crazy stuff | May 09 20:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Why The New Guy Can’t Code (TechCrunch): http://tcrn.ch/kjHeR9 | May 09 20:55 | |
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| schestowitz | And why would one mix fiction with facts? What would that achieve? | May 09 20:55 |
| Ender_nothome | i just happened to stumple upon him among others | May 09 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Ender_nothome: I saw that in youtube too | May 09 20:55 |
| Ender_nothome | he works for the government | May 09 20:55 |
| schestowitz | One case was a show he was on | May 09 20:55 |
| schestowitz | On TV... | May 09 20:55 |
| schestowitz | They ask him about reptile crocodile stuff | May 09 20:55 |
| Ender_nothome | his job is to make conspiracy theories seem crazy | May 09 20:55 |
| schestowitz | Which makes him look very dumb | May 09 20:56 |
| schestowitz | eIOW, controlled opposition? | May 09 20:56 |
| Ender_nothome | yes controlled opposition | May 09 20:56 |
| schestowitz | And where does it say he works for the govt? | May 09 20:56 |
| Ender_nothome | his latest book tries to say the moon is an alien space ship | May 09 20:56 |
| schestowitz | LOL | May 09 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Does it? | May 09 20:56 |
| schestowitz | Does it say that I mean? | May 09 20:57 |
| Ender_nothome | it doest say | May 09 20:57 |
| Ender_nothome | everyone thinks he does | May 09 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Maybe distortion | May 09 20:57 |
| schestowitz | I see people daemonised like this | May 09 20:57 |
| schestowitz | People say I said things I didn't too. Esp. the mono liars. | May 09 20:57 |
| schestowitz | Not sure how effective those lies about me are... | May 09 20:57 |
| schestowitz | They can invalidate people as sources if they succeed | May 09 20:58 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: well, there's one difference | May 09 20:58 |
| schestowitz | !google linus pauling crank vitamin d | May 09 20:58 |
| MinceR | novell didn't have a hardon for crApple :> | May 09 20:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Linus Pauling: Genius or Crank? « Thomas Hager | http://thomashager.net/linus-pauling-genius-or-crackpot/ | May 09 20:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Linus Pauling - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linus_Pauling | May 09 20:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - LINUS PAULING: CRANK OR GENIUS?(Accuracy in Media 1994) As an ... | http://www.math.buffalo.edu/mad/physics/Bransonrobbed.pdf | May 09 20:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Preventing Illnesses And Diseases With Vitamin C | http://wn.com/preventing_illnesses_and_diseases_with_vitamin_c | May 09 20:58 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: it did | May 09 20:59 |
| schestowitz | some execs there use Apple-branded PCs | May 09 20:59 |
| MinceR | well, at least they didn't make that much of a show out of it | May 09 20:59 |
| schestowitz | I think these were call McBooks or something | May 09 20:59 |
| schestowitz | *Called | May 09 20:59 |
| schestowitz | Not edible though | May 09 21:00 |
| schestowitz | it has toxins and breaks your teeth | May 09 21:00 |
| MinceR | :> | May 09 21:00 |
| schestowitz | the maker is called apples IIRC | May 09 21:00 |
| schestowitz | They don't sell food | May 09 21:00 |
| MinceR | well, ammonia+meat doesn't break your teeth | May 09 21:00 |
| schestowitz | And they don't feed the hungry | May 09 21:00 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: | May 09 21:01 |
| schestowitz | !google canonical meeting macbooks | May 09 21:01 |
| MinceR | see, canonical breaks your bot | May 09 21:01 |
| MinceR | :> | May 09 21:01 |
| schestowitz | ought to be something from around 2008 | May 09 21:01 |
| schestowitz | ought to be something from around 2008 | May 09 21:01 |
| schestowitz | !google canonical meeting macbooks | May 09 21:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Canonical Voices | http://voices.canonical.com/user/27/ | May 09 21:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - ec2 - Canonical Voices | http://voices.canonical.com/tag/ec2/ | May 09 21:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Canonical partners with AMI, Dell & Intel - Computerworld Blogs | http://blogs.computerworld.com/16983/canonical_partners_with_ami_dell_intel | May 09 21:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - New Macbook Pro's Only Support Windows 7 | IT Knowledge Hub | http://itknowledgehub.com/networking-infrastructure/security/new-macbook-pro%25E2%2580%2599s-only-support-windows-7/ | May 09 21:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Canonical Voices | http://voices.canonical.com/user/27/ | May 09 21:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - ec2 - Canonical Voices | http://voices.canonical.com/tag/ec2/ | May 09 21:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Canonical partners with AMI, Dell & Intel - Computerworld Blogs | http://blogs.computerworld.com/16983/canonical_partners_with_ami_dell_intel | May 09 21:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - New Macbook Pro's Only Support Windows 7 | IT Knowledge Hub | http://itknowledgehub.com/networking-infrastructure/security/new-macbook-pro%25E2%2580%2599s-only-support-windows-7/ | May 09 21:02 |
| schestowitz | lag | May 09 21:02 |
| schestowitz | maybe googlag | May 09 21:02 |
| schestowitz | goolag | May 09 21:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @diablod3: The Free Software Foundation is now accepting Bitcoin donations http://ur1.ca/43byu | May 09 21:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RD @bkuhn @sabdfl in keynote today: "I can't sell my house if your plant in my garden is under a license that prohibits it." | #Harmonygate | May 09 21:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] Very surprised at the lack of DRM tags and critical reviews on the PS3 -- we'll have to do something about this. http://ur1.ca/44khy !dbd | May 09 21:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] Okay, there are a few more on the http://www.amazon.com/PlayStation-3/dp/B0009VXAM0 entry, but still... !dbd | May 09 21:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] The Feuding Facebook Mansions of Palo Alto (Gawker): http://gaw.kr/j6jxhB | May 09 21:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @arnebab: Wonderful xkcd: Marie Curie → http://xkcd.com/896/ “You don’t become great by trying to be great” #q #science | May 09 21:20 | |
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| Ender_nothome | :) | May 09 21:20 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] EMC unveils Hadoop appliance, BI software (Computerworld): http://bit.ly/kaMfw4 | May 09 21:27 | |
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| GoForbes28 | "Many people criticise Apple a lot for being to ?locked down? to their own software. However many people aren?t actually aware that Apple does let you choose what you?re preferred operating system is." | May 09 21:28 |
| GoForbes28 | "It allows users to run Windows XP, Vista and Windows 7 on Macbooks. " | May 09 21:28 |
| GoForbes28 | Uh huh | May 09 21:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft TV ads to target old PCs with anti-'good enough' angle (Computerworld): http://bit.ly/lY3Vec | May 09 21:28 | |
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| GoForbes28 | Totally not restrained or locked-down at all | May 09 21:28 |
| GoForbes28 | nosiree | May 09 21:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Ok, time to go !identiverse, got my hands on Fast 5 ;) | May 09 21:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] IEEE seeks data on Ethernet bandwidth needs: terabit Ethernet on the way? (Computerworld): http://bit.ly/m8Ur0F | May 09 21:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] The great corporate tax swindle http://is.gd/bFnTJI | May 09 21:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] US attacks on New Zealand drug agency draw anger - http://bit.ly/mhdZ4R wonderfully robust response (v @jamie_love @joaocarapinha) #nz #tpp | May 09 21:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Liverpool on a blinder tonight | May 09 21:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] SimplyMEPIS 11 adds !LibreOffice and a faster !Firefox 4 http://goo.gl/mxgy3 | May 09 21:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Tonight: Trivia at The Haven -- http://ur1.ca/44klv -- @donaldrobertsoniii and @mattl from 8:30pm. @thehavenjp | May 09 21:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !LibreOffice is the future of Free Software Office suites by Michael Meeks | May 09 21:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Android Nabs Third Of #Smartphone Market, #BlackBerry Plummets - http://on.mash.to/jXLhqD when will it plateau? | May 09 21:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @glynmoody: US attacks on #NZ drug agency draw anger http://bit.ly/mhdZ4R wonderfully robust response v @jamie_love @joaocarapinha #tpp | May 09 21:40 | |
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| Ender_nothome | All hail Ira Einhorn? | May 09 21:42 |
| Ender_nothome | http://www.redicecreations.com/article.php?id=15277 | May 09 21:42 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Amazon Web Services Offers Customers On-Demand !RedHat Enterprise !Linux | WHIR http://ping.fm/oiLJ6 | May 09 21:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Court gagging orders unravel as #Twitter allegations ruffle feathers of celebrities - http://bit.ly/iSqhBa cracks in the edifice | May 09 21:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Skype for Mac requires manual update to fix security vulnerability « but why manual? http://ping.fm/lUbi0 | May 09 21:52 | |
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| schestowitz | GoForbes28: Apple rarely FORCES people to buy its garbage | May 09 21:52 |
| schestowitz | Not even imposing it on schoolchildren much of the time | May 09 21:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks Medal presentation live stream from London 2.30pm 10 May http://alturl.com/ggq4s | May 09 21:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @johnsu01: Very surprised at the lack of DRM tags and critical reviews on the PS3, [gotta] do something about this. http://ur1.ca/44khy | May 09 21:53 | |
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| schestowitz | from that POV, they just prey on ignorance and lack of confidence (people compensate for inferioty complex by getting lured as Apple makes false status promises) | May 09 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Apple does want to force Linux users to pay Aople | May 09 21:54 |
| schestowitz | With patent lawsuits | May 09 21:54 |
| schestowitz | And it harms some FOSS projects | May 09 21:54 |
| schestowitz | it also harms standards like ODF | May 09 21:54 |
| Ender_nothome | they just want everyones money | May 09 21:55 |
| Ender_nothome | steve jobs needs more body parts | May 09 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Apple does not seem to be lobbying much | May 09 21:55 |
| schestowitz | Unless you can prove otherwise | May 09 21:55 |
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| schestowitz | !apple lobbying | May 09 21:56 |
| schestowitz | !apple lobbyists | May 09 21:56 |
| schestowitz | !google apple lobbying | May 09 21:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Apple's D.C. Lobbying Efforts Get Fierce | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/02/04/apple-dc-lobbying-efforts-get-fierce_n_818874.html | May 09 21:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Apple secrecy is bitter fruit on Hill - USATODAY.com | http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-06-14-apple-secrecy-hill_N.htm | May 09 21:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Barack Obama's Ex-Lobbyist Appointees, Apple's iLobby and More in ... | http://www.opensecrets.org/news/2010/03/your-daily-dose-of-news-14.html | May 09 21:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Apple's Lobbying May Prove Deficient as Privacy Hearings Loom ... | http://about.bgov.com/2011/05/04/apple%25E2%2580%2599s-lobbying-may-prove-deficient-as-privacy-hearings-loom/ | May 09 21:56 |
| schestowitz | !google apple lobbyists | May 09 21:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Lobbying Spending Database - Apple Inc, 2010 | OpenSecrets | http://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/clientsum.php%3Fid%3DD000021754%26year%3D2010 | May 09 21:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Apple secrecy is bitter fruit on Hill - USATODAY.com | http://www.usatoday.com/news/washington/2010-06-14-apple-secrecy-hill_N.htm | May 09 21:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Apple hired lobbying firm in February | http://www.tuaw.com/2011/04/10/apple-lawyers-up-in-d-c-to-stave-off-antitrust-issues/ | May 09 21:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Mix: Apple lobbyists, NFL + iPad, NYT + iPhone, The Daily ... | http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/news/comments/mix-apple-lobbyists-nfl-ipad-nyt-iphone-the-daily/ | May 09 21:56 |
| Ender_nothome | think of the southpark christopher reeves joke about him eating fetuses | May 09 21:56 |
| Ender_nothome | replace reeves with jobs | May 09 21:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Ixonos Joins !Linux Foundation reported at marketwire http://ping.fm/QiErM | May 09 21:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] Looking forward to being @dotcarly's safety tonight when she spins fire poi for the first time. Well, also a little nervous. #crispyhippie | May 09 21:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Sony Ericsson posts details instructions for hacking their !Android phones by Kshitij Sobti http://ping.fm/HAfbE | May 09 21:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Sony are either doing a volte face or they're sucking up - it's hard to tell | May 09 22:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Do You Want To Know A Secret? - http://bit.ly/lXKTIr "Superinjunctions...are about power and the proletariat" | May 09 22:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Quickly switch searches with AwesomeBar HD http://mozillalabs.com/prospector/2011/05/09/quickly-switch-searches-with-awesomebar-hd/ | May 09 22:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Google Accused of using !Android Compatibility to Close Off Competition • by James DeRuvo http://ping.fm/Fx1s7 | May 09 22:05 | |
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| schestowitz | SCONY learns from Ericsson? | May 09 22:06 |
| schestowitz | This is so surreal | May 09 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Groklaw to have a break. | May 09 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Permanent | May 09 22:06 |
| schestowitz | After running _nonstop_ since like forever | May 09 22:06 |
| schestowitz | Since I was an undergraduate | May 09 22:06 |
| schestowitz | PJ didn't even go on holiday | May 09 22:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] We like busting prior restraints, but @superinjunction is a Scientific Journalism failure, hence Khan. Show us the docs. | May 09 22:07 | |
| *schestowitz back to work, a tad sad.. | May 09 22:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Do you have any user numbers for !identicurse @psquid? It may be coincidence, but I'm seeing the tagline a lot more often lately | May 09 22:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] French vulnerability research firm #VUPEN Cracks !Google Chrome Sandbox • by Larry Seltzer http://ping.fm/SX4by | May 09 22:15 | |
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| Ender_nothome | eeek | May 09 22:17 |
| Ender_nothome | time to run it in a vm | May 09 22:17 |
| *hemimaniac has quit (Quit: I got raided by CSIS and all i got to keep was this lousy QUIT message!!) | May 09 22:22 | |
| schestowitz | we need DB backups of Groklaw, as zoobab once suggested | May 09 22:24 |
| schestowitz | I don't remember the circumstances | May 09 22:24 |
| schestowitz | I think it's when Groklaw takes long breaks that people worry about preservation of key matetial | May 09 22:25 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] What’s up with SUMO – May 9 http://blog.mozilla.com/sumo/2011/05/09/whats-up-with-sumo-may-9/ | May 09 22:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @Develop4AppUp: Join us for the FIRST French MeeGo Application Lab during Solutions Linux in Paris! The Lab is b... http://fb.me/G6Vz1d0j | May 09 22:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @jukkaeklund Calling all hard-core #MeeGo coders. Join us fixing them bugs for the #MeeGoConf http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Status #N900 | May 09 22:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @Develop4AppUp Interested in #MeeGo? Plan a trip to San Francisco and attend a free #Intel #AppUp Application Lab! http://intel.ly/jEXwZV | May 09 22:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Droid X Gingerbread update approved • by James DeRuvo | !Android Community http://ping.fm/sUMPI | May 09 22:40 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Droid X Gingerbread update approved | Android Community .::. Size~: 41.89 KB | May 09 22:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @fontana You don't have to. We can use SIP. I'm glad to work the details out with you ASAP. CC @methoddan | May 09 22:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Today seems to be give @fabsh a hard time day. | May 09 22:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] ♻ @glynmoody Library of Congress builds record collection of century - http://lat.ms/jitcQD locked away by copyright | May 09 22:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I had an awesome day hanging out with the Samba development team at #SambaXP. Such a great group of people! :) | May 09 22:55 | |
| MinceR | gn | May 09 22:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] !listening to The Offspring - Americana | May 09 22:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] RD @mattl Day Against DRM -- Dreaming of doomsday for DRM -- http://ur1.ca/44ktq -- @joshuagay !dbd (@jrepin also quoted) | May 09 23:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @copiesofcopies interesting, but wasn't Jim #Messina usually beardless? | May 09 23:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I loved how @bkuhn was geniunely shocked when I showed him that I run Arch now. :) | May 09 23:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] @fontana Not as long as he had Kenny with him. | May 09 23:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] This made my day: Current print subscribers of the New Yorker can get digital versions on the iPad free! Even the back issues w/ their sub! | May 09 23:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Average size of the New Yorker in digital format seems to be around 125 megabytes. | May 09 23:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] Every time I tell Firefox "I understand the risks" I feel like I'm lying a little bit. | May 09 23:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Just read a very !Disturbing text message that will force me to read email no | May 09 23:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] Just read a very !disturbing text message that will force me to read email when I feel so fscking tired... :( | May 09 23:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] John Terpstra is quite a character. And he's been to Gympie, which is a bonus. :) #SambaXP | May 09 23:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh what shocked @bkuhn the most? Overpowering curiosity (shame on me, I know)... | May 09 23:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RT @gregkh Linux !kernel 2.6.38.6 now released, please go update. | May 09 23:30 | |
| *enthymeme (~kraken@rrcs-64-183-86-53.west.biz.rr.com) has joined #techrights | May 09 23:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Join us at our future home for a Geek Gathering on 5/20 with Tunisian activist Sami Ben Gharbia (@ifikra) https://eff.org/r.48V | May 09 23:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Stable kernel 2.6.38.6 http://lwn.net/Articles/442144/rss | May 09 23:48 | |
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