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schestowitzViper550: is it really their own fault\?May 17 00:00
DaemonFCViper550, CentOS isn't a community, it's ISOs that are punted over a wall now and thenMay 17 00:00
schestowitzIt's just Microsoft ,marketingMay 17 00:00
schestowitzDaemonFC: you have n clueMay 17 00:00
Viper550whose only "bugs" are "OMG THERE'S A RED HAT LOGO HERE, ERASE IT!"May 17 00:00
DaemonFCScientific Linux is MUCH betterMay 17 00:00
schestowitzDaemonFC: did you ever run linux servers?May 17 00:00
*schestowitz connected to 5 servers at the momentMay 17 00:00
DaemonFCno, but I use Scientific Linux May 17 00:01
schestowitzvoip, web, computatin, monitoring..May 17 00:01
schestowitzDaemonFC: now?May 17 00:01
Viper550I'm at least helping to make the next release more "presentable", looks-wiseMay 17 00:01
DaemonFCit's basically the only thing you can get as far as a RHEL 6 clone May 17 00:01
DaemonFCyes, other systemMay 17 00:01
schestowitzother OS?May 17 00:01
Viper550CentOS 6 is turning into the Duke Nukem Forever of Linux distrosMay 17 00:01
DaemonFCon my Intel box, I use SLMay 17 00:01
schestowitz 17 00:01
TechrightsBot-trTitle: openSUSE 11.4 Arrives in San Diego | Bryen's Blog and Beyond .::. Size~: 19.08 KBMay 17 00:01
DaemonFCit makes a pretty decent desktopMay 17 00:01
DaemonFCthough not one of those one click idiot distros May 17 00:02
DaemonFCB-)May 17 00:02
schestowitzThey made a green cakeMay 17 00:02
Viper550DaemonFC, though, one other thing, SL 6 even has a desktop CD like the Fedora ones (well, JUST like the Fedora ones, they used the same build scripts)May 17 00:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] An army of ants attacked our territory and invaded the kitchen. We repulsed the first wave, but I'm affraid they will try the assault again.May 17 00:03
schestowitz 17 00:03
DaemonFCI used the DVD installer May 17 00:03
TechrightsBot-trTitle: iTunes on openSUSE 11.4 | azouhr .::. Size~: 27.89 KBMay 17 00:03
schestowitzmono team must be excitedMay 17 00:03
*gnufreex has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)May 17 00:03
*Real-Rusty is now known as Real-Rusty|AFKMay 17 00:04
DaemonFCThe distributions that claim to be easy to use usually turn out to be unstable, trying to emulate the behavior of proprietary operating systems, and exploitative of the userMay 17 00:04
DaemonFClike Linspire and UbuntuMay 17 00:04
schestowitz 17 00:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: openSUSE News .::. Size~: 27.58 KBMay 17 00:05
schestowitzcheck out the pictureMay 17 00:05
schestowitzsmoked on coffeeMay 17 00:05
DaemonFCUbuntu is basically turning into something more like Linspire in every release May 17 00:05
Viper55011.04 isn't that bad. Just rip out Unity and Mononuclaic Acid and put XFCE in, and you got a great desktop for a pair of laptops to run your silly BASIC Stamp IDE in Wine onMay 17 00:05
schestowitzReal-Rusty|AFK: nice new episodeMay 17 00:05
schestowitzseen it todayMay 17 00:05
DaemonFCLinspire was probably better thoughMay 17 00:05
DaemonFCat least they chose to use KDE May 17 00:06
DaemonFC:)May 17 00:06
Viper550and my aforementioned school web server: 17 00:06
TechrightsBot-trNot a web page! Aborting image/jpeg typeMay 17 00:06
schestowitzwin server?May 17 00:07
Viper550as much as you'd hate using MS protocols to connect to a Linux system, Xrdp is quite a useful service when you're in a area landlocked by Windows workstations needing to connect to a Linux clientMay 17 00:07
schestowitzLOLMay 17 00:07
schestowitzLooks like a desktopMay 17 00:07
schestowitzMicrosoft just doesn't get serversMay 17 00:07
Viper550actually that's just a Scientific Linux minimal desktop running Apache+SQLite and the Habari CMS (and the OpenSolaris theme for good measure)May 17 00:08
schestowitzSometimes it thinks, hey, we'll remove the Aero thing, that's "Server" nowMay 17 00:08
schestowitzAnd it still has just like media player running aroundMay 17 00:08
schestowitzLike an admin would log in remotely to watch pr0n on itMay 17 00:08
Viper550minimal desktop on SL is pretty muich just Gnome base and FirefoxMay 17 00:08
DaemonFCYou could install Server Core May 17 00:09
DaemonFCI guess they didn't RTFMMay 17 00:09
DaemonFC:PMay 17 00:10
sebsebsebViper550: uhmm Ubuntu Classic Desktop in 11.04, they actsaully unmessed something up :) something that used to get at me as well quite a lotMay 17 00:10
Viper550I actually installed just what I needed (and SELinux is easier to wrangle through in GUI mode)May 17 00:10
schestowitz[root@techrights boycottn]# uname -aMay 17 00:10
schestowitzLinux 2.6.18-194.8.1.el5xen #1 SMP Thu Jul 1 19:41:05 EDT 2010 x86_64 x86_64 x86_64 GNU/LinuxMay 17 00:10
schestowitz[root@techrights boycottn]# ls /bin/ | grep gno | wc -lMay 17 00:10
schestowitz0May 17 00:10
DaemonFCsebsebseb, I don't know why they're being so dishonest about "Use the Classic GNOME if you hate Unity"May 17 00:11
DaemonFCsure it works nowMay 17 00:11
DaemonFCnot after October May 17 00:11
schestowitz 17 00:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: STFU Indian Media « Sysbyte Technologies .::. Size~: 34.38 KBMay 17 00:11
schestowitzunity=brillliant nameMay 17 00:12
Viper550don't worry, there's a respin being worked on with Gnome 3May 17 00:12
schestowitzYou can't say you "hate unity" without riaising some brows"May 17 00:12
schestowitz"Unity sucks!"May 17 00:12
sebsebsebViper550: Gnome 2 you mean?May 17 00:12
Viper550no, Gnome 3.May 17 00:12
schestowitz"We must find a final solution to UNITY!"May 17 00:12
schestowitzlet's make a package called peaceMay 17 00:12
schestowitzHehMay 17 00:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Hunting ants at 1 AM is no fun... :(May 17 00:13
schestowitzLet's rename our site ""May 17 00:13
schestowitz"Don't insult the site. You're insulting MY FAITH AND RELIGIOUS, you insensitive clot!"May 17 00:13
schestowitz*ReligionMay 17 00:13
Viper550and for some reason, the SL6 window border looks like a mod of SonarMay 17 00:14
DaemonFCit's insensitive clod you insensitive clodMay 17 00:14
sebsebsebViper550: Scientific Linux 6?May 17 00:14
DaemonFC-God of correcting people May 17 00:14
Viper550yeahMay 17 00:14
Viper550or EL6 if you wanna be generalMay 17 00:14
sebsebsebschestowitz: listening to the Brandon Fedora 15 interviewMay 17 00:14
sebsebsebschestowitz: anyway Mageia 1 release candidate this Wednesday :)May 17 00:15
schestowitz 17 00:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Bolton Linux: 26 Sales, Gnome 3, Lets Party!! .::. Size~: 52.82 KBMay 17 00:15
schestowitzDaemonFC: yeahMay 17 00:15
schestowitzsebsebseb: with unity ;-)?May 17 00:16
schestowitzBecause everyone likes unityMay 17 00:16
sebsebsebbe sorted out with a microphone, and yeah maybe i'll talk on there before June 1st,  depends on when get this microphone sorted out, so yeah either go shopping for real, or get onlineMay 17 00:16
schestowitzNot the binary, the termMay 17 00:16
Viper550 looks like thisMay 17 00:16
TechrightsBot-trNot a web page! Aborting image/jpeg typeMay 17 00:16
schestowitzsebsebseb: ok, goodMay 17 00:16
schestowitzViper550: is that gnote?May 17 00:17
sebsebsebschestowitz: I kind of like the idea of before June 1st, because around June 1st, I want to start building up my  UK community again, and the Swedish a bit, and suchMay 17 00:17
Viper550uhh?May 17 00:17
Viper550it was labeled as "Slider"May 17 00:17
schestowitzsebsebseb: Sweden=pirtae Bay!! :-)May 17 00:17
sebsebsebwell yeah June 1st is when things should get more interesting again, more people should come to the IRC channels and so on :DMay 17 00:17
schestowitzIn the Americans' mindMay 17 00:17
schestowitzViper550: in the tray?May 17 00:18
Viper550looks like it. it's based off stuff froum around Fedora 12 apparentlyMay 17 00:18
Viper550(and yes, its got Plymouth)May 17 00:18
schestowitzsebsebseb: but first we cover the gnu version of monad, it's called gonad and it's quite barbaric. Even Ryan's mom has got it going bone.May 17 00:19
sebsebsebschestowitz: hmm PC World,  The Mall, quite a few shops I could get a microphone  from really,  don't think there's anything local though unless the supermarkets sell themMay 17 00:19
sebsebsebschestowitz: gnu version of monad ???May 17 00:19
schestowitzsebsebseb: Maplin maybeMay 17 00:19
schestowitzsebsebseb: jokMay 17 00:19
schestowitzDaemonFC jokeMay 17 00:19
schestowitzhe pretends he broke gonad's ARMMay 17 00:20
sebsebsebMaplin yeah there's one in the city, a bit outside the centre or whateverMay 17 00:20
sebsebsebschestowitz: well this Brandon talk isn't that much about Fedora realyMay 17 00:20
schestowitzNot reallyMay 17 00:20
Viper550 is what I'm working on for SL 6.1May 17 00:21
TechrightsBot-trNot a web page! Aborting image/png typeMay 17 00:21
schestowitzHe didn't give detailed answers eitherMay 17 00:21
schestowitzViper550: SilverLie?May 17 00:21
Viper550uhh? whatMay 17 00:21
sebsebsebschestowitz: ,but when I go on, yep talk generally about distro's and such,  distro's I been running and when,  maybe even about how I got into Techrights IRC channel and why I decided to stay, and well you know, but I like the idea of Tim interviewing me as wellMay 17 00:21
Viper550thought red hat effectively banned itMay 17 00:21
sebsebsebschestowitz: no Gordon or anyone like that, just you and TImMay 17 00:21
schestowitzViper550: Microsoft calls SilverLie "SL"May 17 00:22
Viper550scientific linuxMay 17 00:22
sebsebseband I  probably just high lighted you a bit really but oh well :dMay 17 00:22
sebsebseba bit to much, aboveMay 17 00:22
schestowitzViper550: yes, which is why I asked about the notepad icon in yellowMay 17 00:22
schestowitztomboy/monoMay 17 00:23
sebsebsebViper550: yep Scientif Linux is apparnaetly pretty good, and CentOS is uhmm some issues or whatever, so many people using that it seems, going by what one person has told me on IRCMay 17 00:23
Viper550yeah. I'm just trying to make its artwork look less slapdashMay 17 00:23
schestowitzGood for CERN/Fermilab..May 17 00:23
schestowitzsplashtop....May 17 00:23
schestowitzWhat ever happened with it?May 17 00:23
schestowitzDoes it still ship with many mobos/May 17 00:24
DaemonFCschestowitz, It's kind of sad when you have to get an installed user base by trojaning your products tentacles into your competitors products using plug-ins that the user never asked for, making sure that they don't know you did it lest they would remove them (Most Microsoft products lately do this to Firefox and Chrome)May 17 00:24
GoForbes28hi againMay 17 00:24
schestowitzM0ono team blogs, bangers. 17 00:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: A Moment of Zen: Low-Fat Turkey Sausage Recipe .::. Size~: 66.79 KBMay 17 00:24
schestowitzDaemonFC: they add a removal :-)May 17 00:25
schestowitzThey add an anti-virus feature to remove the WebM 'malware'May 17 00:25
GoForbes28schestowitz: really?May 17 00:25
GoForbes28joke?May 17 00:25
schestowitz!google internet explorer webm microsoft removesMay 17 00:25
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Overview of Web Folders in Internet Explorer 5 | 17 00:25
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Internet Explorer Enhanced Security Configuration changes the ... | 17 00:25
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Some Web sites may not behave as expected in Internet Explorer | 17 00:25
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Internet Explorer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | 17 00:25
schestowitz!google internet explorer satanMay 17 00:26
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Twitter / RAINBOW SATAN: HULU. INTERNET EXPLORER AD ... | 17 00:26
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Encyclopaedia Metallum: The Metal Archives - Satan | 17 00:26
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - The Devil & Bill Gates Talk | 17 00:26
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Sun Sea & Satan WATCH TRAILER Haut de la Garenne, Jersey |,%2BJersey%3Fuserid%3D15715May 17 00:26
GoForbes28we're not having luck with google today it seemsMay 17 00:26
DaemonFC[3] - Some Web sites may not behave as expected in Internet Explorer May 17 00:26
DaemonFChehMay 17 00:26
DaemonFCthey're honest?May 17 00:26
schestowitz!google "internet exploder"May 17 00:26
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Why IE Sucks | 17 00:26
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Internet Explorer - Microsoft Windows | 17 00:26
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Internet Exploder | 17 00:26
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - No Internet Exploder! | 17 00:26
GoForbes28http://crashie.comMay 17 00:26
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Crash Internet Explorer just by visiting this page! .::. Size~: 4.61 KBMay 17 00:26
Viper550they switched to Bing tooMay 17 00:27
schestowitz!google webbink groklawMay 17 00:27
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - As of Today, It's Mark Webbink's Groklaw 2.0 - Groklaw | 17 00:27
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Linux Today - As of Today, It's Mark Webbink's Groklaw 2.0 | 17 00:27
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Law - As of Today, It's Mark Webbink's Groklaw 2.0 | 17 00:27
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - As of Today, It's Mark Webbink's Groklaw 2.0 | 17 00:27
GoForbes28!google toastytech internet explorerMay 17 00:27
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Internet Explorer is EVIL! | 17 00:27
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - New Internet Explorer Errors | 17 00:27
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Nathan's Toasty Technology Page | 17 00:27
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Anti-IE Buttons | 17 00:27
schestowitzViper550: who did?May 17 00:27
Viper550 17 00:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Getting Started with Splashtop OS : Splashtop OS - Support .::. Size~: 22.21 KBMay 17 00:27
sebsebsebschestowitz: hmm seems like Brandon didn't know about quite a lot of stuff you were asking about in the interview :D still listening to itMay 17 00:27
schestowitzLOL 17 00:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Law - As of Today, It's Mark Webbink's Groklaw 2.… .::. Size~: 13.08 KBMay 17 00:27
schestowitzMurdoch complaints about 'stealing' his RSSMay 17 00:28
schestowitzAnd watch him do this to othersMay 17 00:28
schestowitzWhat a joke of a personMay 17 00:28
GoForbes28Hey RoyMay 17 00:28
GoForbes28I stole your RSSMay 17 00:28
GoForbes28WTF does that even mean?May 17 00:28
schestowitzViper550: mehMay 17 00:28
schestowitzGoForbes28: I can't access mineMay 17 00:29
DaemonFC!google toastytech gui gallery windows vistaMay 17 00:29
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Windows | 17 00:29
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Windows Vista (NT 6.0) | 17 00:29
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Graphical User Interface Timeline | 17 00:29
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Windows Oddities: 25 Years of Microsoft Weirdness | PCWorld | 17 00:29
schestowitzYou took a copy and destoryed my copyMay 17 00:29
GoForbes28Viper550: Splashtop is a joke anywayMay 17 00:29
schestowitz 17 00:30
TechrightsBot-trTitle: openSUSE Lizards .::. Size~: 64.71 KBMay 17 00:30
schestowitzSplashtop sounds like a type of bathing suitMay 17 00:30
GoForbes28it doesMay 17 00:30
GoForbes28they use the IE icon to represent the internetMay 17 00:31
schestowitzcould be worseMay 17 00:31
schestowitz!google linpusMay 17 00:31
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Linpus Technologies | The leader and pioneer in the field of open ... | 17 00:31
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Linpus Download | 17 00:31
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Linpus Linux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | 17 00:31
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Linpus Linux | 17 00:31
schestowitz"Linpus Linux is a commercial, Fedora-based distribution developed by Linpus Technologies, a Linux company with headquarters in Taipei, Taiwan and a development office in Shanghai, China. The product's main features are support for both traditional and simplified Chinese, LSB 2.0 certification, support for Unicode character sets, friendly KDE desktop, and compatibility with a wide range of computer hardware."May 17 00:31
schestowitzI thought they renamed to LinplusMay 17 00:31
GoForbes28lolMay 17 00:33
GoForbes28that would have made such a differenceMay 17 00:33
schestowitzMono boosters develop with real p/ls and pointers? 17 00:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: A Moment of Zen: Optimizing Merge Sort .::. Size~: 94.64 KBMay 17 00:33
GoForbes28Where did you get the Murdoch RSS "stealing" article?May 17 00:33
schestowitz"She asked me to fsck her hard-drive, instead I downloaded and mounted Linpus"May 17 00:34
schestowitzGoForbes28: old newsMay 17 00:34
schestowitz!google techdirt murdoch rss stealMay 17 00:34
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - A Look At All The Sites Owned By Rupert Murdoch That 'Steal ... | 17 00:34
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - And I Thought Rupert Murdoch Thought Copying Stories From Other ... | 17 00:34
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Fox News Sued For Copyright Infringement - Techdirt | 17 00:34
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Murdoch's NY Post Continues To Source Articles From Bloggers With ... | 17 00:34
GoForbes28ohMay 17 00:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @fabsh My response to OMG Ubuntu: Let's help the people that are helping us instead of worrying about Adobe! !fedor ...May 17 00:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] An army of ants attacked our territory and invaded the kitchen. We repulsed the first wave, but I'm afraid they will try the assault again.May 17 00:36
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Adobe Has No Plans to Offer Creative Suite on Linux .::. Size~: 28.64 KBMay 17 00:36
GoForbes28OMG!  Adobe, not in my Linux?  How can I adapt?May 17 00:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @jonobacon are you part of that 'some'? Yes or no? Do you subscribe the view that proprietary software that is popular should be ported? Y/NMay 17 00:38
DaemonFCI don't see why anyone caresMay 17 00:40
DaemonFCit runs fine in Crossover May 17 00:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #ScottishGas are spammers too, despite explicitly stating NOT to use my email for sales emails, I got one tonight #spammersMay 17 00:41
GoForbes28[/sarcasm]May 17 00:42
GoForbes28I can live without those adobe productsMay 17 00:46
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sebsebsebschestowitz: I assume you already know that he has started his own company for Mono, but anyway: 17 00:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Conversation - .::. Size~: 14.91 KBMay 17 00:50
walterbyrdUnXis, Inc Claims to Own The UNIX and UnixWare Trademarks   " APPLICANT’S REPLY IN SUPPORT OF HIS COMBINED MOTION AND BRIEF TO RESUME OPPOSITION PROCEEDING AND RESET AND EXTEND THE SCHEDULE"    "UnXis, Inc. ('UnXis') SCO's successor, now states it, not X/Open, lawfully owns the UNIX and UnixWare trademarks. SCO just completed the bankruptcy sale of its UNIX and UMay 17 00:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: USPTO TTABVUE. Proceeding Number 91122524 .::. Size~: 0.42 KBMay 17 00:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Did another US agency lie to the court in a FOIA case? 17 00:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Another Agency May Have Lied to Court in a FOIA Case | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 25.69 KBMay 17 00:54
GoForbes28yep sebsebsebMay 17 00:57
GoForbes28we also know that the site is operating out of Bellevue, WAMay 17 00:57
GoForbes28sadlyMay 17 00:57
GoForbes28but unsurprisinglyMay 17 00:57
sebsebsebGoForbes28: Beeleuve WA?  what about it?May 17 00:59
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cubezzzevidently there are derivatives of opensolarisMay 17 00:59
cubezzzanyone know of one offhand?May 17 00:59
sebsebsebalso what's WA anyway, yes it's a US state, but uhmm don't expect non Americans to know the names of  all your states and all the short names for them eitherMay 17 00:59
cubezzzah, there's tonsMay 17 01:00
GoForbes28!google Bellevue Washington Intellectual VenturesMay 17 01:00
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Intellectual Ventures Home | 17 01:00
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Contact Us - Intellectual Ventures | 17 01:00
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Intellectual Ventures Jobs, Employment in Bellevue, WA | |,-WA-jobs.htmlMay 17 01:00
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Intellectual Ventures Jobs in Bellevue, WA - BusinessWeek |,%2BwaMay 17 01:00
cubezzzStormOS looks interestingMay 17 01:00
GoForbes28sebsebseb: tada!May 17 01:00
sebsebsebTechrightsBot-tr: google stormosMay 17 01:00
sebsebsebTechrightsBot-tr: !google stormosMay 17 01:01
sebsebsebstupid botMay 17 01:01
GoForbes28brbMay 17 01:01
cubezzzhttp://www.stormos.orgMay 17 01:01
TechrightsBot-trTitle: StormOS .::. Size~: 18.45 KBMay 17 01:01
GoForbes28!google stormosMay 17 01:01
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - StormOS | 17 01:01
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Downloads | StormOS | 17 01:01
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - About StormOS | StormOS | 17 01:01
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Storm OS Discussion - BlackBerry Forums at | 17 01:01
Viper550stormos seems like a re-brandMay 17 01:01
GoForbes28sebsebseb: You don't need to put "TechrightsBot-tr:" at the frontMay 17 01:01
GoForbes28brbMay 17 01:01
sebsebsebcubezzz: I  think I might have read before about StormOS not sure quite thoughMay 17 01:02
sebsebsebGoForbes28:  schestowitz cubezzz  Hmm ( and he's in the channel right now )May 17 01:05
TechrightsBot-tr@Jono Bacon (jonobacon)'s status on Monday, 16-May-11 21:31:55 UTC - Congratulations to @migueldeicaza on the creation of Xamarin - 17 01:05
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Xamarin .::. Size~: 2.6 KBMay 17 01:05
schestowitzI've allocated a whole desktop to ssh recentlyMay 17 01:08
schestowitzdesktop 10May 17 01:08
schestowitzdesktop 10 just had many connections to problematic servers that get angry quite often and need quick access.May 17 01:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] This Week in Internet Censorship: Here's what's happening in Tunisia, Turkey, and Pakistan 17 01:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle: This Week in Internet Censorship | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 23.05 KBMay 17 01:16
ThistleWebsebsebseb: and this surprises you how exactly?May 17 01:18
ThistleWebjono has made it clear over and over again he doesn't share the same views on miguel or mono as most in hereMay 17 01:19
sebsebsebThistleWeb: not so much supriseMay 17 01:20
sebsebsebThistleWeb: just another example of jono trying to be open minded about things, it seems,  which is good reallyMay 17 01:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] I am !listening to !TechBytes Episode 45 about #Microsoft #Skype and other things! 17 01:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: TechBytes Episode 45: Skype, Facebook, and Weekly Musings | Techrights .::. Size~: 102.71 KBMay 17 01:21
schestowitzsebsebseb: a colleague of mine listens now too. I told her about it.May 17 01:22
schestowitzsame episodeMay 17 01:22
sebsebsebshe's listening to it right now and 45?May 17 01:22
sebsebsebschestowitz: I thought I would add a link in, because I sent that to the !listening group as well, and people are lazy, when it comes to Google'ing things, or going to another group on identica and then from there on to things :DMay 17 01:23
schestowitz 17 01:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Groklaw 2.0 :: :: Open Source, Linux News & Software .::. Size~: 29.88 KBMay 17 01:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] blogged... Oh !Canada " Free Byron !" It's his 329th day in custody... !cdnpoli #G20 #G20report !freebyron #BAILMay 17 01:28
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Free Byron ! «  Oh! Canada .::. Size~: 42.94 KBMay 17 01:28
sebsebsebschestowitz: only thing with songs in another langauge ilke in that episode,  well we won't just know what they are saying, but  Spannish and so on songs, tend to sound nice I find, when not knowing what they are sayingMay 17 01:32
ThistleWebyou think everyone who listens only speaks english?May 17 01:33
sebsebsebThistleWeb: noMay 17 01:33
ThistleWebmusic transcends languageMay 17 01:33
schestowitzsebsebseb: yes, I like those songsMay 17 01:34
schestowitzEp. 46 had good tracks IMHOMay 17 01:34
schestowitzbetter than 45May 17 01:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] "The Quiet Revolution in Open Learning," via 17 01:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Quiet Revolution in Open Learning - Commentary - The Chronicle of Higher Education .::. Size~: 41.53 KBMay 17 01:34
ThistleWebI gotta say, the tunes on the last few eps are rather good, better that sore throat screaming death metalMay 17 01:35
sebsebsebschestowitz: uhmm I looked episdoe 46 is just over an hour, so quite a lot of music in that as well then? goodMay 17 01:35
sebsebsebwell death metal and such can be alright to have in the show, and I quite like metal really, but I also like other types of music,  and it's nice to have differnet things in the showMay 17 01:36
schestowitzThistleWeb: thanks :-)May 17 01:36
ThistleWebeclectic is goodMay 17 01:36
schestowitzsebsebseb: inc. one I listened to all day today (Iguana)May 17 01:37
sebsebsebI want to listen to more open music, but well,  well yeah can get onto stuff from the Jamendo group on Identica for a start, but I don't have any torrents yet with open music for exampleMay 17 01:37
ThistleWebwhen I listen back I always skip passed the metal tunesMay 17 01:37
ThistleWebthe rest are at least worth a shotMay 17 01:38
sebsebsebWhy don't you like metal by the way?May 17 01:38
ThistleWebI just don'tMay 17 01:38
ThistleWebI don't see any musicianship in itMay 17 01:38
sebsebsebhaving music in TechBytes is one thing that I like about it,  listen to music I haven't heard before :) and useauly music that I quite like as wellMay 17 01:39
sebsebsebwhat you mean, you don't see any musicianship in it?May 17 01:39
ThistleWebI mean I play the guitar, metal is just noise to meMay 17 01:39
sebsebseboh okMay 17 01:39
schestowitzThistleWeb: same hereMay 17 01:40
sebsebsebschestowitz: oh you play the guitar?May 17 01:40
schestowitznoMay 17 01:40
schestowitzthe metal stuff doesn't appeal to meMay 17 01:40
schestowitzjono's is OKMay 17 01:40
schestowitzSome of his are softerMay 17 01:40
sebsebsebstill havent' bothered downloading Jono 's music properly and listen to that, even though I ilke metal, hmmMay 17 01:41
schestowitzsome metal I quite like, if there's something melodic somewhereMay 17 01:41
ThistleWebdon't like jono's music either for the same reasons, but wish him well with itMay 17 01:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] !heybuddy would be nothing without input from it's uncle @nybillMay 17 01:41
sebsebsebI think metal is probably mainly quite popular with younger people, teenagers and early 20's, but eh what do I know?May 17 01:42
ThistleWebthere's as much musicianship in death metal as dance music to me, even if they play real instrumentsMay 17 01:42
ThistleWebthe effect is the same, headache inducerMay 17 01:42
schestowitzThis one is good, but not metal 17 01:42
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sebsebsebyeah dance music, I don't tend to like that muchMay 17 01:42
ThistleWebI like heavy stuff, just stuff with some musicianship to itMay 17 01:42
sebsebsebalso sometimes can dance on own a bit :D  to rock or metal even, depending on what it isMay 17 01:43
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ThistleWebsebsebseb: check out radiohead on youtube, tunes called Just, and The Bends if you want examplesMay 17 01:43
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sebsebsebyeah I know about Radiohead and NirvanaMay 17 01:44
sebsebsebschestowitz: yep thats a good song, and smell's like teen spirtMay 17 01:44
ThistleWebsteve vai's the audience is listeningMay 17 01:44
ThistleWebor a lot of Extreme stuff, like midnite expressMay 17 01:44
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sebsebsebif your not in the episode do you still listen, so episode 45 for example?May 17 01:45
ThistleWebI have radiohead almost on perma-repeat on my mp3 player for a while nowMay 17 01:46
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schestowitzthey're goodMay 17 01:46
sebsebsebThistleWeb: schestowitz Oh yeah now I remember, latest Click recommended some sort of security audio cast, with the guy who came up with the name Spyware,  I was thinking something like, that's probably very Windows orientated (I think that's the word)May 17 01:47
ThistleWebI love the early radiohead, the guitar stuff, these fellas can rawk out with the best of themMay 17 01:47
sebsebsebblah de blah, this is an anti virus you can get, blah de blahMay 17 01:47
sebsebseband yeah I think it was the guy who came up with the name Spyware doing it, may be worth a listen though at least once for a laugh or something,   assuming that it will be  aimed at people who are pretty ignorant at computer security.May 17 01:48
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sebsebsebschestowitz: oh from pcpro well that's interesting then, because they had their Ubuntu dayMay 17 01:49
schestowitzsebsebseb: oriented?May 17 01:49
schestowitzThistleWeb: took me while to 'discover' themMay 17 01:49
sebsebsebyeah I mean, as in aimed at WIndows usersMay 17 01:49
sebsebsebmainly at themMay 17 01:49
schestowitzKnew about them since I was a kid, but didn't care until I heard Nom SurprisesMay 17 01:49
schestowitz*NoMay 17 01:49
ThistleWebradiohead are an aqquired taste, I'd heard stuff from the bends, and pablo honey at lots of house parties, but never found out who it wasMay 17 01:50
ThistleWebuntil Paranoid Android, and OK Computer, then all the other parts slotted into place as "oh, this is all that same band, yeah I like them"May 17 01:51
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ThistleWebtook quite a few listens to "get" radiohead, for ages I thought "great band, need a different singer"May 17 01:51
ThistleWebI eventually absorbed the radiohead experienceMay 17 01:52
sebsebsebschestowitz: just started reading that,  they say it's not the Ubuntu they hoped it would become,  uhmm well it hasn't been mine really since 9.04 was in development, but just little things for 9.04 and 9.10, then the big ah for 10.04 and so on from there, and I have typed this kind of thing loads of times on IRC.  However saying that I am still going to run Ubuntu 11.04 Classic Desktop as my desktop envrionment for quite a while for various May 17 01:52
sebsebsebreasons, including how they unmessed something up :) something that got at me a lot when it got messed up with 10.04May 17 01:52
ThistleWebwhat stunned me, is that UK bands find it notoriously difficult to crack the US, only the Beatles managed it before......until RadioheadMay 17 01:52
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schestowitzradiohead experienceMay 17 01:53
schestowitzMac experience?May 17 01:53
sebsebsebschestowitz: and I can  work around by not using things I don't like in Ubuntu or pretty much ignore them.  For me I ran Gnome 2 in Ubuntu for years, so uhmmm this last release of Gnome 2 even though it also has their changes, but something that really got at me when they introduced the changes fixed.  well it means this last version is kind of special,  espesailly since I am running it with the old brown theme :DMay 17 01:54
schestowitzThistleWeb: and CanadaMay 17 01:54
sebsebsebaltough that hasn't canged the icons,  just the bar in Gnome, but yeahMay 17 01:54
ThistleWebyeah I've been visitng a few radiohead vids on youtube a lot, one of them is no surprisesMay 17 01:54
schestowitzMy girlfriend's sister from Canada likes Radiohead A LOTMay 17 01:54
schestowitzBut they don't play it thereMay 17 01:54
schestowitzThe US MAFIAA keeps their own labels afloatMay 17 01:54
ThistleWebdid you see paranoid android from jools holland?May 17 01:54
schestowitzThey have little to gain by putting foreign music on their MTV and stuffMay 17 01:54
schestowitzThistleWeb: weird oneMay 17 01:55
schestowitzThe cartoon?May 17 01:55
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schestowitzeDpressingMay 17 01:56
schestowitzIt used to be on MTV when I was about 15May 17 01:56
schestowitzAndroid is paranoid.. because of Ballmer's astroturfersMay 17 01:56
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ThistleWebthink that's the oneMay 17 01:57
schestowitzeverything is seen as an astroturferMay 17 01:57
ThistleWeblater with jools holland, liveMay 17 01:57
ThistleWebblistering performanceMay 17 01:57
ThistleWebthe cartoon is the music promo vidMay 17 01:57
sebsebsebschestowitz: hmm that blog post is a load babble really most of it, altough yeah they have a point Canonical haven't really been doing anything properly inovative when it comes to the desktopMay 17 01:58
*ThistleWeb saw that live at a party when it was broadcastMay 17 01:59
sebsebseband they basically said that they hired professioanl designers, but we didn't really end up with anything that great a dock down the left and such, well indeed at that realyMay 17 01:59
ThistleWebthe guitar work by radiohead is phenomenalMay 17 02:00
sebsebsebschestowitz: however on the other hand this is a good thing,  after all Unity is having Copyright Assignment,  other distro's many of them, won't be that keen on providing it even as a an option I guess,  and other distro developers most of them are unlikely to contribute code to it, because  of the CA, and so on.  Plus Gnome is the real upstream :)May 17 02:00
schestowitzThere were doing a show here when a neighbour of mine at the time kept the ticket like it was memorabiliaMay 17 02:00
sebsebsebUnity has to be rather popular, before most other Desktop Linux distro's provide it as an option it seems.May 17 02:01
schestowitzThistleWeb: has coldplay vanished?May 17 02:01
ThistleWebno ideaMay 17 02:01
schestowitzsebsebseb: find out whyMay 17 02:01
schestowitzmaybe for tabletsMay 17 02:01
ThistleWebburned out with the pressure to compete with radiohead maybeMay 17 02:01
sebsebsebplus right now there are technical issues when it comes to others providing it, or at least Fedora and OpenSuse and so on, but I did read about one of the Ubuntu based distros having it, but right yeah, well that's based on Ubuntu,  so that shoudn't be much of a problemMay 17 02:02
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ThistleWebI love thom yorke's complete disdain for the media, all he wants to do is playMay 17 02:02
ThistleWebsaw him one night by chance on jonathon ross, had to do the interview, didn't wanna be there at soon as ross said "right go get rea-" he was up and over the sofa to get to his playground, the stageMay 17 02:03
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msb_I DL'ed the 32bit Jitsi (sip-communicator) rpm.  zypper said it was malformed and wouldn't load it.  I DL'ed the source and made it with ANT.  Failed -- 16 errors.May 17 02:06
GoForbes28!google rushMay 17 02:06
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ThistleWeb  << fancy a catchy little chilled number?May 17 02:06
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GoForbes28!google rush roll the bonesMay 17 02:06
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GoForbes28All you need is rushMay 17 02:06
oiaohmschestowitz: seen this yet 17 02:06
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oiaohmYep the complete mono staff was fired.May 17 02:06
sebsebsebHow does that changing host hting work?  So  oiaohm just now, and jono every now and again I see it in here.  They join with their host name showing, but then in  part message it says  Changing host, and they are back wit the cloakMay 17 02:07
sebsebseboiaohm: yeah well nice one Attachmate I guessMay 17 02:07
GoForbes28schestowitz: you have an article to edit?May 17 02:08
schestowitzGoForbes28: severalMay 17 02:08
msb_Ekiga sometimes does, sometimes doesn't, see my alsa audio out (speakers) channel.  Mostly doesn't.May 17 02:08
sebsebseboiaohm: also that's clever of them to move Suse to Germany as it's own company, or pretty much it's own companyMay 17 02:08
sebsebsebin fact I read something recently from SJVN about who may buy SuseMay 17 02:08
schestowitzbut we would have to do them quicklyMay 17 02:09
oiaohmsebsebseb: Attachmate wanted Suse.  Infact they wanted it when Novell aquired it.May 17 02:09
GoForbes28I could do a couple tonightMay 17 02:09
sebsebseboiaohm: right, but now it's moved to Germany or going to as it's own company or uhmm sort of,  there person will report back to AttachmateMay 17 02:09
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oiaohmsebsebseb: so we could see Suse return to its pre Novell days.May 17 02:09
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msb_When SuSE was in Germany it all worked.May 17 02:09
schestowitzHeh. Didn't know they did this..May 17 02:09
GoForbes28msb_: When Suse wasn't a corporate pawn, it all workedMay 17 02:10
msb_GoForbes28: That too.May 17 02:10
sebsebsebGoForbes28: before Canonical started to properly try and make Ubuntu go man streame, it was greatMay 17 02:10
oiaohmUnder attachmate Suse will be given quite free rain.May 17 02:10
sebsebsebI used to think 8.10 was ready for the avearge consumer with proper help for exampleMay 17 02:11
oiaohmAttachmate has already stated all software selections and so on will be done in gemery head office of SuseMay 17 02:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 5 Truly Bizarre But Handy Uses of #Linux it's quite ubiquitousMay 17 02:11
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GoForbes28oiaohm: I though Suse was being spun offMay 17 02:11
sebsebsebit seems to me that once Canonical got it's design team, and  they started doing to it, Ubuntu started going down hillMay 17 02:11
oiaohmOnly thing Attachmate will be doing is seeing if it making a profit or not.May 17 02:11
sebsebsebyeah 9.04  and the Canonical design team, both from  about the same time I thinkMay 17 02:11
sebsebseb9.04 is the start of the Gnome 2 patchingMay 17 02:12
oiaohmGoForbes28: Might not fully spin off.  Mind end up a sub company funding AttachmateMay 17 02:12
msb_When OpenSuse dumped kde3 and substituted kde4, which they admitted mostly didn't work at the time, that was the beginning of the slide into the toilet.May 17 02:12
sebsebsebor uhmm features that are seen by the user anyway,  I mean maybe they patched stuff before thatMay 17 02:12
oiaohmmsb_: kde4 was kinda regretable.May 17 02:14
sebsebsebhowever it's interesting how things work out,  now  I don't mind  that much with the Gnome 2 patching  in 11.04 classic desktp that much, because it no longer messes around with the system menu and my log out and shut down, and automatic shut down after a minute feautreMay 17 02:14
sebsebsebyes little things like that matterMay 17 02:14
oiaohmmsb_: but the change to kde4 internals had to happen.  kde3.5 looked ok to the user but was falling apart internally in the code base.May 17 02:14
sebsebsebwhen  used for years as in shutting down and re booting from the system menu, and it also matters when that's the upstream wayMay 17 02:15
msb_oiaohm: Still is, for power-users who want multiple desktops.May 17 02:15
sebsebsebfor some of usMay 17 02:15
sebsebsebno DeamonFC at the moment, that's ashameMay 17 02:15
sebsebseboh he's in the channel  DaemonFCMay 17 02:15
oiaohmmsb_: I was one of those power usages  I have got use to the new kde 4 activities system instead.May 17 02:16
sebsebsebanyway as schestowitz basically said in TechBytes 44,  it's not a very good thing to have one big vendor as the big one, well indeed at thatMay 17 02:16
msb_oiaohm: So they said, but was it really?  How did that require the useless but enormously development intensive super complex "themes" system?  Or renaming everything "plasma" BS?May 17 02:16
oiaohmmsb_: Yes feature wise early kde 4.x was lacking did cause major problems.  But that was the result of completely rewriting the core that had to hapen.May 17 02:16
sebsebsebnot a good thing having loads of people thinking Ubuntu is the only one that is properly worth bothering about, when it comes to Desktop LinuxMay 17 02:16
oiaohmmsb_: Really its not renaming everything plasma.May 17 02:17
oiaohmmsb_: plasma is the name of one of the new engine parts.May 17 02:17
msb_oiaohm: Then Suse should have kept kde3 until kde4 was fully functional.  (which it still isn't).May 17 02:17
sebsebsebas for OpenSuse uhmmMay 17 02:17
sebsebsebI guess it went the way of Mandriva reallyMay 17 02:17
oiaohmmsb_: I find kde 4.4 equally functional to 3.5May 17 02:18
sebsebsebnot that relivent anymore, because things are mainly about Ubuntu and Fedora instead these  yearsMay 17 02:18
sebsebsebthese days/years aboveMay 17 02:18
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sebsebsebhowever if they can get OpenSuse sorted out, and it giving Ubuntu some nice proper competition I am up for that I guess,  even though I am hoping Mageia will be doing this when things are a bit more developed their distro itself and communityMay 17 02:19
oiaohmmsb_: and when you do a core engine.  The complex theme system comes out of making sure the new engines are not going to be nailed to wall.May 17 02:19
msb_oiaohm: Is there a small activities pager showing in every activity that can show the names of 20 activities, and can switch to any one with a single click?May 17 02:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @goforbes28 :)May 17 02:19
sebsebseband  I feel like I am talking to a brick wall,  typing a load of stuff, that probably no one else is really ready properly or at all right nowMay 17 02:19
sebsebsebreading, not ready, aboveMay 17 02:20
sebsebsebmsb_: oiaohm  Ubuntu needs proper competition, come on Mageia  and OpenSuse :)May 17 02:20
msb_oiaohm: Please explain this, I don't understand:  <oiaohm> msb_: and when you do a core engine.  The complex theme system comes out of making sure the new engines are not going to be nailed to wall.May 17 02:21
sebsebsebmsb_: oiaohm Ubuntu is starting to get to big/popular and I am worried about that, since the direciton it has been going in since 9.04, and the direciton it seems to be going in now as well  to an extentMay 17 02:21
GoForbes28schestowitz: so can we do some articles?May 17 02:21
oiaohm  msb_   Yes the old functionality of different desktop per virtual desktop can be reenabled.May 17 02:21
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sebsebseband I think schestowitz thinks something similar really these days at times, but still links to lods of Ubuntu stuff on identica and so on hmmMay 17 02:22
oiaohmmsb_: could be in KDE 4.0 infact if you dug into config files.May 17 02:22
sebsebseboiaohm: msb_  Qt 5 expected next year, so rpobably KDE 5 as wellMay 17 02:23
oiaohmKDE 5 is not going to be a interface change.May 17 02:23
oiaohmKDE5 will be more working with Qt4 to do in more KDE particular libs.May 17 02:23
oiaohmOpps QT5May 17 02:23
sebsebsebwell yeah probablyMay 17 02:24
sebsebseb,but KDE 5 will also have changes to the interfaceMay 17 02:24
oiaohmDevelopers already stated it going to be like KDE 2 to KDE 3May 17 02:24
sebsebsebwell I don't know what that's likeMay 17 02:24
sebsebsebnot used KDE 2May 17 02:24
oiaohmWhat was basically almost nil on interface change.May 17 02:24
oiaohmYou put both in screen and most people cannot not pick from look what is kde 2 and what is kde 3May 17 02:25
oiaohmIe changes in the status of minor.May 17 02:25
schestowitz[02:17] <oiaohm> msb_: Really its not renaming everything plasma.May 17 02:26
schestowitzI love plasmaMay 17 02:26
schestowitzplasma-desktop and plasma-netbooks are great envsMay 17 02:26
msb_Is there a small activities pager showing in every activity that can show the names of 20 activities, and can switch to any one with a single click?May 17 02:26
schestowitzGoForbes28: yesMay 17 02:26
schestowitzHold onMay 17 02:26
schestowitzI'll put some upMay 17 02:26
GoForbes28!google youtube microwave plasmaMay 17 02:27
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DaemonFCschestowitz, Great fast environments that don't crash and work the way you would expect them toMay 17 02:27
schestowitzSun :-)May 17 02:27
DaemonFChooray!May 17 02:27
schestowitzaka "God"May 17 02:27
oiaohmmsb_: the way I use it is named virtual desktops.  So yes the virtual desktop paperMay 17 02:27
DaemonFCschestowitz, If the Sun is God......what does that make Arcturus?May 17 02:27
schestowitzDaemonFC: plasma does not crash anymoreMay 17 02:27
oiaohmmsb_: so yes change in a single click.May 17 02:27
schestowitzfor me, it becomes sphere when I hit bottom cornersMay 17 02:28
msb_The desktop names in the the virtual desktop paper are not clearly readable.May 17 02:28
DaemonFC 17 02:28
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msb_The desktop names in the the virtual desktop pager are not clearly readable.May 17 02:28
DaemonFCI'm gonna pray to Arcturus May 17 02:28
DaemonFCit looks like is could squash your GodMay 17 02:28
oiaohmmsb_: The popup does come up if you cannot remember what one you are going to.  Saves on screen space.May 17 02:29
DaemonFCEarth is less than one pixel? HERESY!!!!!! BURN THE NONBELIEVER!!!!May 17 02:29
oiaohmmsb_: there is the activities explorer as well.   But I have no need for more than 8 so pager is more than good enough.May 17 02:30
msb_oiaohm: I use 20 desktops.  I want a desktop-pager app that has readable desktop names.  Sliding the cursor over all of them and reading the popup tooltips is absurdly time-consuming.May 17 02:31
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msb_is the activities explorer a small applet in every activity that can show 20 readable activity names?May 17 02:32
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msb_...and lets me switch to any of the 20 named activities with a single mouse click?May 17 02:33
oiaohmactivities exploror is a pop up window.  That can display a few 100May 17 02:34
oiaohmonce its displayed its a single click to go where ever.May 17 02:34
msb_oiaohm: what makes it pop up?May 17 02:34
oiaohmIts also possible to dock the activities explorer May 17 02:34
msb_Does the activities exploror just show activity names or does it show pictures/windows?May 17 02:36
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msb_oiaohm: Please explain this, I don't understand:  <oiaohm> msb_: and when you do a core engine.  The complex theme system comes out of making sure the new engines are not going to be nailed to wall.May 17 02:38
oiaohmactivities switcher comes in 4.5 kde but there is the old explorer in 4.4  msb_May 17 02:39
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schestowitzThat's the firstMay 17 02:40
schestowitzcan you ACK?May 17 02:40
msb_is the activities switcher a small applet in every activity that can show 20 readable activity names?May 17 02:40
schestowitzNeeds to be ready tonight BTWMay 17 02:40
msb_...and lets me switch to any of the 20 named activities with a single mouse click?May 17 02:40
schestowitzcause it's time-sensitiveMay 17 02:40
oiaohmmsb_: Its a pop up window design.  20 is not an issue.  Few 100.  You can also icon you activitiesMay 17 02:41
msb_oiaohm: what makes it pop up?May 17 02:42
oiaohmmsb_: 2 clicks plasma icon activities.  Then select what you want.May 17 02:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @seananmcguire: Friends help you move. Good friends help you move bodies. True friends help you bring bodies back from the dead.May 17 02:43
oiaohmmsb_: that is default setting.May 17 02:43
oiaohmmsb_: but it can be bound in a location so mouse can go to bottom of screen an trigger it to pop up.May 17 02:43
oiaohmIt can also be bound displayed as well.May 17 02:44
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oiaohmKDE and their love for configruablity.May 17 02:44
GoForbes28ACK?May 17 02:44
msb_KDE4 devs were/are controlled by focus-groups populated by computer-naive MS-Windows users off the street.  All they cared about was pretty themes.May 17 02:46
oiaohmmsb_: noMay 17 02:46
oiaohmmsb_: I know the kde developers.May 17 02:46
msb_That's what I was told by someone on the inside.May 17 02:46
msb_If they wanted to simplify the code, why have multiple desktops AND multiple activities?May 17 02:47
msb_And you have not explained the need for the super-complex useless theme crap.May 17 02:47
oiaohmInfact the pager in KDE 4 is fake.May 17 02:47
msb_Meaning?May 17 02:47
oiaohmIt their for people like me.May 17 02:48
oiaohmOld kde users who kinda expect it.May 17 02:48
oiaohmReally its just a front end to activities engine.May 17 02:48
GoForbes28schestowitz: ACK?May 17 02:48
oiaohmmsb_: to code base it basically almost nothing.May 17 02:49
msb_oiaohm: So why put the background noise in each button to make the names unreadable?May 17 02:49
oiaohmmsb_: more that discourge ment from using it in the hope we move over to the activities system proper.May 17 02:50
DaemonFCKDE's goal is to bring a modern usable desktop to unix-like systems, which have been traditionally plagued by crapMay 17 02:50
DaemonFCif you want to tell me that a desktop environment built with MOTIF suits you, OK, go use that. That's what was around before KDEMay 17 02:50
oiaohmmsb_: since activities control systems can stop and pause widgets and applications on those desktops.May 17 02:50
msb_The KDE3 desktop system was very easy to understand and very usable.May 17 02:50
oiaohmmsb_: where the old pager cannot.May 17 02:50
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oiaohmpager has a feature weaknessMay 17 02:51
oiaohmWhen it comes to running a laptop or equal power effective.May 17 02:51
oiaohmNone of the changes they are trying to force on you are not without techical reasons.May 17 02:51
msb_There is no need to stop apps in desktops not in use.  They are paused waiting for a key or click and using very few cycles,May 17 02:52
oiaohmHmm so those weather applets downloading weather on the other desktops in background while you are not using them are not going to worry you.May 17 02:53
oiaohmOther equal background tasks some applications like performing while they are open.May 17 02:53
oiaohmIts not just about GUI.  msb_May 17 02:53
oiaohmCan you now see why the pause and stop features become very important.  msb_May 17 02:54
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msb_That could be added to the kde3 desktop system without all the new enormous complexity.May 17 02:55
oiaohmSorry no it could not.May 17 02:56
msb_Why not?May 17 02:56
oiaohmThe engine inside kde 3 did not seperate desktops.May 17 02:56
oiaohmIt was one engine processing them all.May 17 02:56
DaemonFCKDE 3 was a big bloated unmaintainable messMay 17 02:56
DaemonFCI doubt they would do a major rewrite just because they couldMay 17 02:57
oiaohmInternally KDE 3.x was fully assessed to try to design a plan to repair it.May 17 02:57
DaemonFCTrinity is more hacks than actually fixing thingsMay 17 02:57
oiaohmAfter 2 years of study the developers worked out it would take about 10 to 15 years to repair it.May 17 02:57
DaemonFCit's not going to last much longer at this rateMay 17 02:57
oiaohmFull time work.May 17 02:57
msb_Then the code should have been redone properly without adding all the new bloat of super-complex themes and activities+desktops.May 17 02:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Rumour: Microsoft to Take Over Nokia’s Mobile Unit Thanks to Entryism #rumor #hardware #phone #skypeMay 17 02:58
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DaemonFCKDE 4 isn't all that bloated really May 17 02:58
DaemonFClook at GNOME 3May 17 02:58
msb_The page explaining the themes shows over 100 theme elements.May 17 02:58
oiaohmmsb_: Really kde 4 themes are supper complex but they do cover everything and mostly why its harder to use is that is QT 4 theme engine.May 17 02:58
DaemonFCthe requirements are far less reasonableMay 17 02:58
oiaohmWith really very lttile kde particular stuff added.May 17 02:59
oiaohmKde 4 is a lot thinner than Kde 3 engine.May 17 02:59
DaemonFCGNOME 3 requires not only modern graphics hardware, but particular versions of particular driversMay 17 02:59
DaemonFCand if you don't have that you get the craptastic fallback desktopMay 17 02:59
msb_I do not believe that the KDE4 developers were the same people who made KDE3.May 17 03:00
oiaohmAlso if you use plasma for netbooks there is no paging.May 17 03:00
oiaohmmsb_: lead developers of KDE is the same one who coded KDE 2.0May 17 03:00
oiaohmmsb_: Yes they are the same people.May 17 03:00
oiaohmmsb_: last lead developer change was KDE 1.0 to KDE 2.0May 17 03:01
DaemonFCIf you're going to pick on something, at least pick on the craptastic bloated desktops that have mandatory compositing for no reason at allMay 17 03:01
DaemonFClike Unity and GNOME 3May 17 03:01
msb_I never use compositing.May 17 03:01
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oiaohmKDE 4 was designed on the idea that DRI2 would be on time.May 17 03:02
oiaohmThat was a techical mistake.May 17 03:02
oiaohmIe KDE 4.0 was not half bad with compositing on.May 17 03:02
msb_What is DRI2?May 17 03:02
oiaohmBut with compoisting off it suxed.May 17 03:02
DaemonFCoiaohm, It works fine on newer FGLRX May 17 03:03
oiaohmDRI1 and DRI2 are you two X11 driver systems.May 17 03:03
DaemonFColder FGLRX and Nvidia is a nightmareMay 17 03:03
msb_How does compositing make kde4 not suck?May 17 03:03
oiaohmDaemonFC: Ie older FGLRX and Nvidia that existed when when 4.0 was released.May 17 03:03
oiaohmmsb_: Number 1 you gpu is at least 16 times faster than you cpu at image alterations.May 17 03:04
oiaohmmsb_: .4.0 off loaded image processing for desktop to the GPU.May 17 03:04
DaemonFCnewer FGLRX handles compositing fine May 17 03:04
msb_My old graphic card is plenty fast for moving windows around and playing movies.May 17 03:05
oiaohmmsb_: compositing is a very effective way to off load.May 17 03:05
oiaohmmsb_: since the gpu can take the data you want to display process it and put it on screen where you want it without having to talk many times to the cpu.May 17 03:05
oiaohmIe cpu send gpu set of instructions and it does it.May 17 03:05
oiaohmThat is what compositing allowed.May 17 03:06
oiaohmNow kde 4.0 big mistake was they stripped all the software rendering options out completely.May 17 03:06
oiaohmso if gpu could not do it you end up with windows just poping into existance and other horid things.May 17 03:07
oiaohmReason is with dri2 kde should not have need to keep the software rendering code.  Since there would be a provided software fall back.May 17 03:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] I'm going to stab something. hard.May 17 03:08
oiaohmThings move slower than expected and all hell breaks lose.May 17 03:08
msb_Playing a full-screen movie takes about 20% of my 5-year-old dual-core CPU.  Windows popping into existence are fine with me.  I don't want them swooshing and wiggling.  I just want to get work done.May 17 03:08
msb_...And my 5-year-old display card that cost $120 when I bought it.May 17 03:09
oiaohmNote this was about clean code base msb_May 17 03:09
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oiaohmThey over cleaned KDE 4.0May 17 03:09
msb_I'm running kde3.May 17 03:09
oiaohmAlso depending on gpu 20% on you cpu  can be almost nothing on the gpu and cost less power using the GPU.May 17 03:10
schestowitzGoForbes28: and the second (and last) one: 17 03:10
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schestowitzGoForbes28: urgent to doMay 17 03:10
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oiaohmYes very big power effectiveness drive.  msb_May 17 03:10
oiaohmIs behind kde 4.XMay 17 03:10
oiaohmOf course not all those moves have good as planned.May 17 03:11
oiaohmAnd most of the nastiest issues are where they did not.May 17 03:11
msb_Using the gpu is a matter for the video drivers, not the DE.May 17 03:11
oiaohmNoMay 17 03:11
oiaohmThat is your mistake.May 17 03:11
oiaohmKDE 4.x puts it in the video drivers hands instead of the DEMay 17 03:12
oiaohmKDE 3.x and before has it strictly in the DE hands.May 17 03:12
msb_Moving windows around requires far less cycles than showing movies.  There's no need to optimize power for moving windows around.May 17 03:12
oiaohmLOLMay 17 03:13
oiaohmIf you move windows fast in KDE 3.5 you will find it can burn more cpu time than running a movie.May 17 03:13
msb_But moving windows is very infrequent compared to showing movie frames.May 17 03:14
DaemonFCoiaohm, You can use Compiz as your window manager in KDE 3May 17 03:14
oiaohmCompositing also reduces the ammount of image processing that has be done.May 17 03:14
DaemonFC:)May 17 03:14
oiaohmCompositing also means you can move a video while it playing and not have it break up on screen msb_May 17 03:15
oiaohmBreakup is because the 2d software rendering engine in kde 3.5 does not keep up.May 17 03:15
msb_That is also done very infrequently, so is not a necessary feature.May 17 03:15
oiaohmBy you maybe.May 17 03:15
oiaohmBy me video editing little more frequently.May 17 03:16
msb_So plug in your laptop while you are editing videos on it.May 17 03:16
oiaohmIt not just power usage.May 17 03:16
oiaohmIts image not being displayed correctly.May 17 03:17
msb_Don't fuck up the entire DE just so you can edit videos on battery.May 17 03:17
oiaohmKDE 4.x really has not screwed the DE up.May 17 03:17
oiaohmYes its different.May 17 03:17
oiaohmBut why is that bad.May 17 03:17
oiaohmReally msb_ you are like a windows user.  They learn a stack of habits so they don't cause windows to have issues.May 17 03:18
msb_It doesn't have a readable desktop-pager.  You can't slide back the panels by clicking on a little thingy at one edge.May 17 03:18
msb_It now forces on everyone phonon which doesn't work with old mobos, so I'm told to buy a new computer so it will work.  Just like Microsoft.May 17 03:19
oiaohmmsb_: how old of motherboard are you talking about.  phonon here is on a 12 year old board.May 17 03:19
oiaohmReally what in F are you talking about.May 17 03:20
msb_My "habit" is to have a simple readable desktop pager in my bottom panel so I can switch between desktops with a single click.  That his simple optimal human-computer interface.May 17 03:20
oiaohmI am talking to you from a very old machine running KDE 4 and all its parts.May 17 03:20
msb_Asus M2N-EMay 17 03:20
oiaohmInfact same boardMay 17 03:21
oiaohmThat a Linux kernel driver issueMay 17 03:21
oiaohmDon't run Ubuntu no matter what.May 17 03:21
msb_Alsa works on it, pulseaudio doesn't.  Phonon doesn't.May 17 03:21
oiaohmThey have the wrong firmwares.May 17 03:21
oiaohmAlsa running wine and a audio editing software don't work eitherMay 17 03:22
oiaohmjackaudio don't work either.May 17 03:22
oiaohmwith the wrong firmwareMay 17 03:22
oiaohmBasic Alsa works somehow.May 17 03:22
msb_I run audacity audio editor all the time.  I've run utorrent in wine.May 17 03:22
oiaohmI said audio editores in wineMay 17 03:22
oiaohmNot utorrent.May 17 03:23
oiaohmaudacity works because it don't ask for real-time features.May 17 03:23
msb_What exactly are you saying has wrong firmware?May 17 03:23
oiaohmAs soon as you ask for real-time features from alsa the firmware takes a wrong turn lossing all audio from then on.May 17 03:23
msb_Firmware in mobo ROM ?May 17 03:24
oiaohmSo causing the effect of jackaudio Phonon(can be made work with some options to change its request to alsa) and pulseaudio to fail.May 17 03:24
oiaohmmsb_: firmware blob with kernel.May 17 03:24
oiaohmEasisty way is to tell Phonon to back onto vlc and gstreamer.May 17 03:25
msb_So pulseaudio/phonon drivers have wrong firmware blob?May 17 03:25
oiaohmNo the Linux kernel drive for the sound card.May 17 03:25
oiaohmis failing.May 17 03:25
oiaohmSide effect pulseaudio and phonon fail.May 17 03:26
oiaohmBasically alsa is going splat under everything.May 17 03:26
oiaohmYou have been blaming the wrong thing.  May 17 03:27
oiaohmOk I don't run pulseaudio with KDE 4 at all.May 17 03:27
oiaohmBecause I find it a waste of cpu time.May 17 03:27
oiaohmThis is what I am talking about.  There is a bug lets just avoid it.  Not find out why and have it fixed.May 17 03:29
msb_Other people with other sound systems say pulseaudio fails for them too.  I guess their sound drivers are also bad.May 17 03:30
cubezzzI use kde 3.5.10May 17 03:30
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oiaohmpulseaudio is buggy as hell.  msb_May 17 03:30
oiaohmphonon on the other hand is not that buggy.May 17 03:30
cubezzzoiaohm, so which new distros do not use pulseaudio?May 17 03:31
oiaohmIt does not have to go threw pulseaudioMay 17 03:31
cubezzzbsd?May 17 03:31
msb_Maybe the pulseaudio devs  should have tried their system out with lots of sound chips and made sure it works.May 17 03:31
cubezzzmsb_, what are you using?May 17 03:31
oiaohmcubezzz: I don't care I strip it out of my custom debian disks.May 17 03:31
cubezzzdon't think lenny had pulseMay 17 03:32
msb_KDE 3.5.10 also.May 17 03:32
msb_With alsa.  It all works.May 17 03:32
cubezzzI use alsa for sound, even for mplayerMay 17 03:32
cubezzzyepMay 17 03:32
oiaohmReally its not just alsa with kde 3.5May 17 03:33
cubezzzvector linux classic or freebsdMay 17 03:33
oiaohmyou will have artd sound server as well msb_May 17 03:33
cubezzzyou can turn off artsdMay 17 03:33
cubezzzI don't want sound effects in the DE anywayMay 17 03:33
msb_Me either.May 17 03:34
oiaohmThat was the big change over to phononMay 17 03:34
oiaohmThat sound effects from DE no longer depended on existance of a sound serverMay 17 03:34
oiaohmAnd could go direct to alsaMay 17 03:34
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msb_I think it's a lie to claim that it would have taken 10 to 15 years to rewrite kde3 in good code with the same functionality.May 17 03:35
cubezzzmsb_, have you looked at project trinity?May 17 03:35
msb_Not much yet, but I will.May 17 03:35
oiaohmThe simple thing is how much of a prickly mess it is.May 17 03:35
oiaohmIf you try reworking the code of KDE 3 and keeping it able to run stuff from the past.May 17 03:36
oiaohmLot of the structs and that are incorrectly designed for what you need.May 17 03:36
cubezzzjust have one kde 3.5.10 machine...May 17 03:36
oiaohmThat brings many times work.May 17 03:36
cubezzzolder OS for older hardware, newer OS for newer hardwareMay 17 03:36
oiaohmBasically it would be faster to take the KDE 4.x base engineMay 17 03:36
cubezzzI like some things about KDE 4+ but...May 17 03:37
oiaohmAnd layer a KDE 3.5 look over the top.May 17 03:37
cubezzzit's sloooow on older hardwareMay 17 03:37
oiaohmHave you tried the netbook form.May 17 03:37
cubezzze.g. kcharselect is way better May 17 03:37
cubezzzoiaohm, hmm don't think I have May 17 03:37
msb_I use kde4 konsole.  And kde4 klipper because I can load the mouse clipboard from a bash script using qdbust.May 17 03:38
oiaohmSee there are things kde 4 has got right.  msb_May 17 03:38
oiaohmThere are still things KDE 4 needs to fix.May 17 03:39
cubezzzoiaohm, kde4 is too.... it's got too much F/X or somethingMay 17 03:39
oiaohmLike simpler ways to ajust sizes of particular.May 17 03:39
cubezzztoo elaborateMay 17 03:39
oiaohmnetbook form cuts that stuff to a bone.  cubezzzMay 17 03:39
oiaohmThat is why I asked if you had tried it.May 17 03:40
cubezzzoiaohm, how much ram would you say is necessary if you want kde 4?May 17 03:40
cubezzzto run well...May 17 03:40
oiaohmPlasma netbook the cut to bone 128 megMay 17 03:41
cubezzzhmmm, I guess I'll have to try that sometimeMay 17 03:41
oiaohmthe full normal kde desktop 512 to 1GMay 17 03:41
oiaohm512 is dependant on gpu.May 17 03:41
oiaohmBasically you are right on the too much F/X stuffMay 17 03:42
msb_KDE3 has simple, easy to understand GUI.  KDE4 with themes, "plasma", cashews, unreadable desktop-pager has very badly designed UI, at least for power-users who want to get work done.May 17 03:42
cubezzzoiaohm, amazing how amigados 1.3 ran in 512k  :)May 17 03:42
oiaohmmsb_: Remember I am a power user who does get work done.May 17 03:42
msb_.. and dashboard, activities, and folder-view.May 17 03:42
oiaohmdesktop-pager I do agree adjusting its fonts should be simpler.May 17 03:43
cubezzzeven KDE 3 is a bit heavyMay 17 03:43
oiaohmactivities I do find highly usefulMay 17 03:43
cubezzzbut I really like konsoleMay 17 03:43
msb_desktop-pager needs to lose the window outlines in background of buttons, which make name unreadable.May 17 03:44
oiaohmmsb_: that is mostly better theming control over it.May 17 03:44
msb_konsole, system monitor, and klipper are improved in kde4, and I use them in kde3.May 17 03:45
oiaohmmsb_: basically complete rewirte there is always something broken.May 17 03:45
oiaohmBut for me just theming in one area broken I can live with.May 17 03:45
msb_oiaohm: But this "something" is extremely vital.May 17 03:45
msb_You can't read the goddamn desktop names in the pager buttons!!!!!May 17 03:45
cubezzzwell we will write our own DE :)May 17 03:46
oiaohmThinking we are ment to stop using the pager and switch over to the activities replacement.May 17 03:46
oiaohmI can understand them not making it pleasent.May 17 03:46
cubezzzoiaohm, how do I get the Pi symbol on Linux?May 17 03:46
cubezzzI was trying to do that the other day....May 17 03:47
msb_Linux is about the user having control of the computer, not some goddamn devs somewhere forcing their ideas on people.May 17 03:47
oiaohmHave you used 4.5 with the activities popup.May 17 03:47
cubezzzthere's pilcrow but no pi symbolMay 17 03:47
msb_No.  I am not going to use at least twice as much effort and time to switch desktops as I do now.  May 17 03:48
oiaohmmsb_: so take mouse to bottom of screen and select?May 17 03:49
oiaohmToo much effort?May 17 03:49
msb_Show me a screen shot of it set up that way.May 17 03:49
msb_oiaohm: Will there be an activity pager applet in the bottom panel with buttons showing the readable names of the activities?May 17 03:54
msb_Like the kde3 desktop-pager?May 17 03:54
msb_brbMay 17 03:56
oiaohm  That is the panel.  Hmm looks like I have had a widget for activity changing.May 17 04:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @jonobacon choosing a master isn't freedom of choice, that's a logic #fail. And sorry but no, those people won't be your customers anyway.May 17 04:08
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msb_oiaohm: Which is the activity pager?  The thing that says "Writing / Search and Launch / News" ?May 17 04:14
sebsebsebcubezzz: msb_ oiaohm Hmm was just reading about how some countries aren't meant to download FedoraMay 17 04:20
msb_sebsebseb: China and Iraq?May 17 04:20
cubezzzwhich ones?May 17 04:21
sebsebsebIraq yes, China noMay 17 04:21
sebsebsebI meant China is alloweed, but Iraq noMay 17 04:21
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cubezzzeven Yarrow is on the listMay 17 04:22
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sebsebsebwhat's Yarrow?May 17 04:22
cubezzzyou know.... FC1May 17 04:23
sebsebsebit has a list next to versions yesMay 17 04:23
sebsebseb,butMay 17 04:23
sebsebsebI don't understand what's next to them, what's yarrow?May 17 04:23
sebsebseba country I haevn't heard of?May 17 04:23
cubezzzYarrow is just a code name for FC1 :)May 17 04:23
cubezzzlike LaughlinMay 17 04:24
sebsebseboh rightMay 17 04:24
sebsebsebanyway these banned counteries could have their own distros I guess?May 17 04:24
sebsebsebor what is the Linux kernel  located in the USA, and now not alloweed to download that either?May 17 04:24
cubezzznot sure, but I assume Iraq has some sort of internetMay 17 04:25
msb_Cuba, Iran, Iraq, North Korea, Sudan or Syria. Countries that have never attacked the U.S.  But the U.S. and Israeli govts -- that blew up the World Trade Center -- they can have it.May 17 04:25
cubezzzassuming that, they could download some kind of distroMay 17 04:25
sebsebsebmsb_: Where you from by the way?May 17 04:25
msb_USAMay 17 04:25
sebsebsebah yes see in your host nameMay 17 04:25
sebsebsebuhmm your saying the US goverment blew up the world trade centre?  those were remours years agoMay 17 04:25
msb_My site: cosmicpenguin.comMay 17 04:25
sebsebsebI thought USA doesn't like Cuba, because it's communist and illegal drugs can come from there and such?May 17 04:26
msb_sebsebseb: Absolute scientific proof.  See my 9/11 page.May 17 04:26
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sebsebsebI don't really understand the  US export laws stuff, but from what I know about it, it seems stupidMay 17 04:27
msb_sebsebseb: Right, unlike Mexico, which is where the drugs actually come from, and with which we pretty much have an open border, and 30,000,000 of their citizens here.May 17 04:27
sebsebsebwell yeah that's true, loads of drugs come from Mexico into the US, most of them evenMay 17 04:27
DaemonFCok, tell me what's wrong with this pictureMay 17 04:27
DaemonFCthe US has reached its legal debt limitMay 17 04:27
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DaemonFCThe Democrats want to just raise itMay 17 04:28
DaemonFCthe Republicans are saying, not without some cutsMay 17 04:28
Chips_B_MalroyHi allMay 17 04:28
DaemonFCand between the two, everything that could be cut is off the tableMay 17 04:28
Chips_B_Malroyyou guys here about mono?May 17 04:28
*DaemonFC loves theater May 17 04:28
msb_Last year, Pres. Obomber gave the international banking cartel 28 TRILLION dollars.May 17 04:28
*cubezzz doesn't use monoMay 17 04:28
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Chips_B_MalroyMiguel is not saying who is behind the funding if anyoneMay 17 04:29
Chips_B_Malroybut we can guessMay 17 04:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk I love "The Princess Bride", but it is much younger than I, although it's author, William Goldman, is much older.May 17 04:29
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sebsebsebanyway I think the Fedora re spins are located in other counteries, two come to mindMay 17 04:30
sebsebsebI know one is in another country for sure, the other not sureMay 17 04:30
sebsebsebI guess these banned counteries can download Fedora re spins from all or most other counteries?May 17 04:30
cubezzzmsb, I don't understandMay 17 04:30
cubezzzhow could the Pres give them 28 trillion?May 17 04:30
cubezzzis there even that much money in the whole world?May 17 04:33
sebsebsebcubezzz: msb_ Ah yes now I remember, Microsoft aren't aloweed to sell Windows in those banned counteries apparantlyMay 17 04:33
Chips_B_MalroyIran is one I believe bannedMay 17 04:33
sebsebseb,but I guess they got loads of pirate copies instead of WIndows for exampleMay 17 04:33
DaemonFCRepublicans :Oh no, we can't possibly stop paying for the wars, how will we kill brown people without wars? Democrats: Well it's not like we can stop paying for Medicare, how will some 83 year old man in Anytown, USA get his Viagra then? Both: RABBLERABBLERABBLERABBLE!!!!!! May 17 04:33
sebsebsebI don't really understand this stuff like I was saying, but export laws seem a bit raceist to meMay 17 04:33
cubezzzsebsebseb, lol lucky IraqMay 17 04:33
DaemonFCB-)May 17 04:33
Chips_B_MalroyIf you build it they will come.  If you ban it the price will go down.  Iran $1 windowsMay 17 04:33
sebsebsebthere was a link on one of those sites, to some sort of US goverment document about it though, hmmMay 17 04:33
sebsebsebone of those pages, aboveMay 17 04:33
sebsebsebon Fedora siteMay 17 04:33
sebsebsebanyway if Fedora is going to be banned from these counteries, hmm maybe they need to ban all US based websites,  I mean virtually they are being exported to the countryMay 17 04:33
msb_Obviously any country can download Redhat as Fedora or the distros based on it.May 17 04:34
sebsebseband if they do that, that would be most of the websites on the Internet I guess, except for Chinese websites maybeMay 17 04:34
sebsebsebyep bye bye Facebook :)May 17 04:34
sebsebsebbye bye Twitter :)May 17 04:34
sebsebsebbye bye YoutubeMay 17 04:34
sebsebsebetcMay 17 04:34
DaemonFC 17 04:34
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sebsebsebbye bye GoogleMay 17 04:34
cubezzzbye bye Facebook, no problem thereMay 17 04:34
GoForbes28Chips_B_Malroy: "Xamarin" is operating in no other than Bellevue, WashingtonMay 17 04:34
sebsebsebcubezzz: well yeah Facebook :(May 17 04:34
GoForbes28Chips_B_Malroy: At least according to WhoIsMay 17 04:35
Chips_B_Malroythen M$ is still the source of money for Mono/MiguelMay 17 04:35
GoForbes28seems to be, TR article to come sooonMay 17 04:35
sebsebsebI tend to keep out of polotics ,  but uhmm seems to me that quite a lot of people don't really trust the US goverment much, including many who live thereMay 17 04:35
Chips_B_Malroythere is other news links on it, in one Miguel describes "angel funding" as the sourceMay 17 04:36
msb_sebsebseb: Well, when the US govt gets to murdering 2,000,000 in Afghanistan and Iraq, based on a false-flag terror attack that the US govt itself did, that's worth paying attention to.May 17 04:37
sebsebsebmsb_: hmm are you one of these people who belive in NWO by the way?May 17 04:37
DaemonFCIt was the JEWSMay 17 04:37
DaemonFCJUDEN!!!!May 17 04:37
DaemonFCRound them all up I say!May 17 04:37
msb_2,000,000 people!  And a lot more injured and crippled.May 17 04:37
DaemonFCPry them away from their JEW GOLD!May 17 04:37
DaemonFCand make them wear pajamas in campsMay 17 04:37
DaemonFC:PMay 17 04:37
GoForbes28sebsebseb: I don't trust the Harper Gov't because it lies and deceitful; how can anyone trust that?May 17 04:38
GoForbes28sebsebseb: I assume the same is the case for the USMay 17 04:39
msb_I am Jewish, in fact, although I don't believe in the religion.  As to the NWO, check out some of the videos linked near the top of my website.  Our politicians sure believe in the NWO.  They talk about it.May 17 04:39
DaemonFC:PMay 17 04:39
cubezzzevery generation seems to talk about the NWOMay 17 04:40
GoForbes28msb_: I'm terribly bad with the terminologyMay 17 04:40
GoForbes28msb_: I understand one can become Jewish through adopting the religion, but is one born in Israel born Jewish?May 17 04:41
cubezzzhow about OPEC lolMay 17 04:41
DaemonFCcubezzz, this NWO crap is just recruitment tools for rednecks who wear army fatigues they bought on surplus and get together to compare guns :PMay 17 04:41
GoForbes28cubezzz: combined with inflation, screwed up the 1970s for mostly everyoneMay 17 04:41
Chips_B_MalroyMad Ballmer is on a buying spree right now.  First Skype and now rumor has it he wants to actually buy Nokia phones, just the phone part.May 17 04:41
cubezzzjust buy electric cars... it's way past timeMay 17 04:42
Chips_B_Malroyquestion is, why buy the cow when you already paid for the milk?May 17 04:42
*DaemonFC sends some black helicopters for cubezzz May 17 04:42
GoForbes28cubezzz: Though it was largely a gov't blunder, the OPEC actions were just the salt on the woundsMay 17 04:42
*cubezzz runs NorthMay 17 04:42
msb_There seem to be about 6,000 people at the tops of the banking, media, weapons, pharma, etc. industries who control the US and many other governments.  In various fora, some of them have said they want a "new world order".May 17 04:42
GoForbes28msb_: No seriously, I am always confused by the termsMay 17 04:42
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GoForbes28Is this a Seinfeld episode?May 17 04:43
Chips_B_MalroyBeen struggling to figure out why Ballmer paid so much money for Skype (other than he is an moron)May 17 04:43
DaemonFCThat kid is going to be so screwed up, I bet he blocks both of them for thisMay 17 04:43
GoForbes28Add to his patent pool?  Ego?May 17 04:43
cubezzzBallmer's like Gates, always trying to control everythingMay 17 04:43
Chips_B_MalroyyesMay 17 04:43
cubezzzif you can't beat them, buy themMay 17 04:43
Chips_B_Malroyboth anwsers are goodMay 17 04:43
GoForbes28DaemonFC: Seriously, it's like the Seinfeld episode with the suggested names of Soda and SevenMay 17 04:44
msb_"Jewish" is an ethnicity and a religion.  One can have either or both.  Zionism is basically the Jewish form of fascism.May 17 04:44
Chips_B_Malroybut you have to think like a monopolist to understand the skype dealMay 17 04:44
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GoForbes28msb_: Thanks for clearing that up. :)May 17 04:44
Chips_B_MalroySkype is "the" voip appMay 17 04:44
GoForbes28Like how MSOffice is a "standard"May 17 04:45
Chips_B_Malroyits the most widely used voip app out thereMay 17 04:45
Chips_B_MalroyIt is used by most platformsMay 17 04:45
GoForbes28source?May 17 04:45
msb_Skype is sure much easier to set up and use than ekiga, linphone, sip-communicator.  I still can't get those to work.May 17 04:45
Chips_B_Malroyconsider skype as a killer application, its how Ballmer thinks of itMay 17 04:45
Chips_B_MalroyyesMay 17 04:46
cubezzzI think I have Ekiga workingMay 17 04:46
GoForbes28msb_ Sip communitcator worked for meMay 17 04:46
GoForbes28PSI+ tooMay 17 04:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] RD @mlinksva 80% of hackers agree: abolish all software patents !fsf !gnu !espMay 17 04:46
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Chips_B_Malroygmail chat video here as I need to get some xp users to use it. May 17 04:46
msb_Tried Sip communitcator (Jitsi) today. The rpm was malformed and rejected, and the source had a dozen errors when built.May 17 04:47
GoForbes28Chips_B_Malroy: PSI+ works with GMAIL accounts and has video/voiceMay 17 04:47
GoForbes28msb_ it's a java appMay 17 04:47
GoForbes28msb_ if that helpsMay 17 04:48
Chips_B_MalroyBallmer thinks of skype as a killer application, and he might be partly correct.  In that it will be hard for some folks to give up skype and move to another platform in the future other than windows.May 17 04:48
msb_PSI+ ?May 17 04:48
GoForbes28no, sip communicator is javaMay 17 04:48
cubezzzso someone writes an open source skpeMay 17 04:48
GoForbes28PSI+ is QtMay 17 04:48
cubezzzor another one :)May 17 04:48
GoForbes28cubezzz protocol yesMay 17 04:48
oiaohmReally for me Skype is worthless.May 17 04:49
GoForbes28cubezzz a client using the skype network would be pointlessMay 17 04:49
oiaohmIf it don't support jabber and sip it cannot connect to businesses I deal with.May 17 04:49
Chips_B_MalroyBallmer buying skype is mainly about lock in.  He sees the lock in of Office, which is now becoming worthless must be replaced with another killer app.May 17 04:49
GoForbes28oiaohm: good point, jabber is definite standardMay 17 04:50
Chips_B_MalroyOffice365 is going to kill the Office lockin thanks to OpenOffice/LibreOffice and Google Docs.May 17 04:50
Chips_B_MalroyThe price of MS Office has been coming down and this trend will continue thanks to the excellent competition.May 17 04:51
cubezzzbah, Microsoft just wants $$$ as alwaysMay 17 04:51
msb_I've talked with people all over the world using Skype.  It works great!May 17 04:51
msb_Does PSI+ do SIP?May 17 04:51
oiaohm I am more interested in.May 17 04:51
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Chips_B_Malroycubezz> yes they want the $, but how to keep em down on the farm?May 17 04:51
Chips_B_Malroymore lock inMay 17 04:51
Chips_B_MalroyskypeMay 17 04:51
oiaohmmsb_: Remember I deal with bussiness that run their own internal telephone systems.May 17 04:52
oiaohmThat skype does not bolt to well.May 17 04:52
Chips_B_Malroyof course they also want the patents, and they want a skype port to WP7May 17 04:52
Chips_B_MalroyWP7 was dead without skypeMay 17 04:52
msb_Well, skype sure works great person to person.May 17 04:52
Chips_B_Malroythe killer appMay 17 04:52
GoForbes28msb_: PSI+ is a jabber client, so I don't think so, one secMay 17 04:52
Chips_B_Malroysupposedly Elop made that part of the deal according to one link I seen, that MS had to aquire skype for windows phoneMay 17 04:53
oiaohmGoForbes28: I can forward from asterisk to jabber.May 17 04:53
oiaohmGoForbes28: as long as the client support jabber audioMay 17 04:54
oiaohmGoForbes28: I can sip link it.May 17 04:54
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Chips_B_Malroythere should be no question that MS will hose the linux port of skype or completely abandon itMay 17 04:54
GoForbes28msb_: as this page and oiaohm indicated, with some work, yesMay 17 04:54
Chips_B_Malroyits just standard MS playbookMay 17 04:55
oiaohmsipwitch interests me for location to locaction linking.May 17 04:55
GoForbes28oiaohm: Can you elaborate further?May 17 04:55
oiaohmwithout depending on a centeral server.May 17 04:56
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GoForbes28oiaohm: Have you tried (this with) PSI+?May 17 04:56
oiaohmGoForbes28: Yes.May 17 04:56
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msb_GoForbes28: I can't even get ekiga to work.  Sometimes it can do audio output, usually it can't.  This in the same invocation of ekiga.May 17 04:56
Chips_B_MalroyGoForbes28> I will try out psi+ and others, but for now google chat will work for all my contacts soon as I can convert themMay 17 04:56
oiaohmBecause most open source sip servers like asterisk support jabber as a plugin.May 17 04:56
GoForbes28oiaohm: Service discovery?May 17 04:57
oiaohmnot exactly.May 17 04:57
oiaohmI can register a jabber account just the same as registering a sip phone.May 17 04:57
oiaohmIn most of the sip servers.May 17 04:57
oiaohmSo call comes in for X lineMay 17 04:58
oiaohmX line is assigned to X jabber account.May 17 04:58
GoForbes28oiaohm: Could I like the Gmail account in PSI+ to SIP?May 17 04:58
oiaohmSo user on that jabber accout gets notified of incoming voice message request.May 17 04:58
GoForbes28I also have a account I could useMay 17 04:58
oiaohmAnd the reverse is possible connect to the servers jabber accout.May 17 04:58
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oiaohmmessage it the number you want to call.May 17 04:59
oiaohmAnd it makes the call on the asterisk server.May 17 04:59
oiaohmBut yes the server has to have a interface jabber account.May 17 04:59
GoForbes28so no gmailMay 17 04:59
Chips_B_Malroy"The plan was Xamarian, and it already includes angel funding and a "couple of" engineering contracts to keep it afloat before the first products arrive."May 17 05:00
GoForbes28or yes?May 17 05:00
oiaohmWe can use any jabber server with voice support.May 17 05:00
oiaohmThat does include gmail.May 17 05:00
Chips_B_Malroythe angel funding quoteMay 17 05:00
GoForbes28I would like to test this furtherMay 17 05:00
GoForbes28...will be in the articleMay 17 05:00
oiaohmThing is calling users can only be approved from jabber of course.May 17 05:00
oiaohmThis is ideal for business.May 17 05:01
oiaohmWe need to connect staff we don't need to connect everyone.May 17 05:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Wondering how many #Czech !RedHat employees are named "Jiri"May 17 05:01
GoForbes28oiaohm: Makes senseMay 17 05:01
Chips_B_Malroynobody really wants mono, except for M$, Miguel, and some in UbuntuMay 17 05:01
GoForbes28msb_ has a sip account thoughMay 17 05:02
oiaohmsipwitch also suites better into business needs as well.May 17 05:02
oiaohmIe no server that is not ours.May 17 05:02
GoForbes28It would be great for me since I could just use PSI+ and connect to Roy and the othersMay 17 05:02
GoForbes28but msb_ can't use his sip account with PSI+ AFAIKMay 17 05:03
oiaohmBut allows multi server locationsMay 17 05:03
msb_GoForbes28: Yes I do.  And the ekiga echo test works sometimes and not others, even in the same invocation of ekiga.  I have no idea why.May 17 05:03
oiaohmThat can go down seperately.May 17 05:03
oiaohmsip is not exactly light.May 17 05:03
msb_With skype, if the test call works, it works consistently.  And if it works, you know you're on the air and can initiate and receive calls.May 17 05:04
GoForbes28I have to go now unfortunately, will be you be online oiaohm tomorrow?May 17 05:04
oiaohmGoForbes28: Most likely no.May 17 05:04
oiaohmI have to get a new powersupply and other things for my laptop.May 17 05:05
GoForbes28gotchaMay 17 05:05
Chips_B_MalroyMagicJack is not free.  And only works with windows and mac.  They promised a linux port and have never delivered on it.  Its only for voice calls, but does that very well.May 17 05:05
GoForbes28well, I'll try the PSI+ - SIP test on my ownMay 17 05:05
oiaohmmsb_: Really no.May 17 05:05
oiaohmmsb_: speekx protocal works needing lower network requirements than skypeMay 17 05:05
msb_oiaohm: Yeah, well if I could get it to work I'd use it.May 17 05:06
oiaohmskype is really not the best thing out there.May 17 05:06
oiaohmRemember I get it to work all the time.May 17 05:06
msb_Lots of people do I'm sure.May 17 05:07
Chips_B_Malroygmail chat is better than skype.May 17 05:07
Chips_B_Malroyonly you cannot send filesMay 17 05:07
GoForbes28see you all tomorrow (hopefully)!May 17 05:07
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oiaohmmsb_: You think of skype as free.May 17 05:08
msb_And just like that, he was gone.May 17 05:08
msb_oiaohm: skype is free.May 17 05:08
oiaohm  Point is.  Its 66 USD per line to an asterisk server.May 17 05:08
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oiaohmNo its not free.May 17 05:08
oiaohmFree for home usersMay 17 05:08
oiaohmExpensive prick to business.May 17 05:08
oiaohmAnd that is a per year fee.May 17 05:09
DaemonFCmehMay 17 05:09
DaemonFCSkype is going to bleed cashMay 17 05:09
DaemonFCno matter what Microsoft does with itMay 17 05:09
msb_If there were a voip app that was as easy to install, configure, and use as skype, I'd tell everyone to use it.  But apparently there is not.May 17 05:10
Chips_B_Malroyit doesn't bleed much cash right now, but give ballmer a little time and it willMay 17 05:11
oiaohmmsb_: Really I do for business.May 17 05:11
Chips_B_Malroymsb> use gmail chatMay 17 05:11
oiaohmmsb_: Were I do server side.May 17 05:11
oiaohmmsb_: Really its not that hard.May 17 05:11
msb_Chips_B_Malroy: gmail chat does voice?May 17 05:11
DaemonFCGoogle Talk is easy to use and cross platform May 17 05:11
Chips_B_Malroyyes, and videoMay 17 05:11
DaemonFCI haven't used Skype in yearsMay 17 05:11
Chips_B_Malroyyou have to sign up for an gmail accountMay 17 05:12
oiaohmmsb_: gmail chat does voice video any shared screens ..... List goes on.May 17 05:12
Chips_B_Malroyand then in the chat window install the voice and video plugin.  its an deb or rpm downloadMay 17 05:12
DaemonFC:PMay 17 05:13
DaemonFCno, not reallyMay 17 05:13
Chips_B_Malroy   Adrian says gmail chat is good.  The UI is better than skypeMay 17 05:14
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oiaohm  Also for me I don't have to install clients in the machines all the time either.  msb_May 17 05:14
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Chips_B_Malroynot that I would stop with gmailMay 17 05:15
oiaohmmsb_: ie user goes to webpage logins in from there they can voice message.May 17 05:15
oiaohmor video message.May 17 05:15
Chips_B_Malroybe it is easy, and I need easy from some of the folks that are my contacts to ween off skypeMay 17 05:15
oiaohmFor business this is really nice.May 17 05:15
msb_I'm investigating google voice now.May 17 05:15
oiaohmSo chromeos support I already have. msb_May 17 05:16
Chips_B_Malroynotice Adrian has a picture of gmail video working in Mepis linuxMay 17 05:16
Chips_B_Malroymsb> believe it only works inside of your gmail email account webpageMay 17 05:17
oiaohmmsb_: I can see the attraction for home users of skype.May 17 05:17
Chips_B_Malroybut the chat once it goes will pop upMay 17 05:17
Chips_B_MalroyI use it in firefoxMay 17 05:17
oiaohmmsb_: but business were we must use our own servers complete none at all.May 17 05:17
oiaohmGoogle voice and video chat can be done from a client or web browser.May 17 05:18
oiaohmJust like we do in business.May 17 05:18
oiaohmmsb_: If you have to install a client to use it.  Someone is making the process too hard.May 17 05:21
Chips_B_MalroySkype is a killer application at least to Ballmer.  Consider what people use computers for, surfing, getting there email, chats.  Just like MS bought Hotmail because it was the larger email service they could own, they now buy skype for the lockin.May 17 05:22
Chips_B_Malroyjust use it from the your gmail web pageMay 17 05:23
Chips_B_MalroyI think the mepis link I posted says the same thingMay 17 05:24
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Chips_B_MalroyNot sure that this is the really free alternative for now, or just another freerer alternative than skype.May 17 05:25
Chips_B_Malroywill keep checking out the free ones thoughMay 17 05:25
Chips_B_MalroyHow often have we heard people say I cannot use Linux because I need MS Office or Photoshop?  In the future it might be Skype.May 17 05:27
Chips_B_MalroyAnd that is why Ballmer bought Skype.May 17 05:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] NSA CS Man: My Tracking Algorithm Was 'Twisted' By the Government 17 05:29
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Chips_B_MalroyWell, I have ranted on to long, so I say GN and let you folks carry on your good work here.May 17 05:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @ubuntutwo NEW: "Disturbing Topics With @bkuhn & @fontana" podcast launches; sponsored by Canonical LTDMay 17 05:36
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msb_OK, I have google gmail voice or whatever and it passed the audio tests.  It insists on using video from my TV card, so that's what you'll see.  Anybody want to talk with me?  My ID is markbilk  .May 17 05:47
msb_I had to download and install an rpm for this thing!May 17 05:48
oiaohmA pluginMay 17 05:50
oiaohmNote I use that stuff for work.May 17 05:51
cubezzzaha finally got the degree symbol in konsoleMay 17 05:51
oiaohmmsb_: Intime with the expands of html5 that will not be required.May 17 05:51
oiaohmReally skype sold it self at the right time.May 17 05:52
oiaohmBecause the future is not what you call rosy for it.May 17 05:52
oiaohmI just remember something important.May 17 05:58
oiaohmThe new mono company will not be protected by Novell and MS deal.May 17 05:58
msb_I had a test screen for google voice but now I can't get it back again.  would someone please call me at ID markbilk?May 17 06:01
msb_oiaohm: Would you please call me in google-talk?  ID markbilkMay 17 06:10
oiaohmmsb_: Cannot.  One of the thing I have to replace is mic.  I run over it last night.May 17 06:25
oiaohmThis is also the reason why we have instant messing back up.May 17 06:25
msb_Did it scream?May 17 06:25
oiaohmNoMay 17 06:26
oiaohmI am not exactly light.May 17 06:26
oiaohmI am 110 kgMay 17 06:26
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oiaohmSo me on a chair with wheels running over something kinda equals dead item.May 17 06:26
msb_Chair temporary or permanent?May 17 06:27
msb_Probably nothing I can do to help, but I do know some alternative medicine.May 17 06:29
oiaohmJust your normal deskchair on wheelsMay 17 06:29
msb_Oh, good!May 17 06:30
oiaohmBut I am not a light person.May 17 06:30
msb_Me 305lbs.  I have a lot to lose!May 17 06:30
oiaohmI have a higher than adverage bone denistyMay 17 06:30
oiaohmSo I am not exactly that fat.May 17 06:31
msb_I should tell people that too!May 17 06:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Amidst all og Giggsy's 12 times, we forget "That boy Scholesy, he's won it 10 times" too :) !MUFCMay 17 06:31
oiaohmI have never broken a bone.May 17 06:31
oiaohmAnd I am not going to.May 17 06:32
oiaohmSide effect is I have great trouble swimming.May 17 06:32
msb_Sounds like a good plan!May 17 06:32
oiaohmBecause I sink.May 17 06:32
oiaohmAny less than half my lungs full of air I am going to bottom.May 17 06:32
oiaohmYes kinda stuffs people up if I put on dive gear.May 17 06:33
oiaohmIts not add weight to me its add floation.May 17 06:33
msb_I have some triple-stranded alien DNA.  Was born in the year of the first A-bomb.May 17 06:33
cubezzzthat would just be mutated DNA not alien DNA :)May 17 06:34
oiaohmTriple and quad strand does exist in nature.May 17 06:34
oiaohmJust extreamly rare.May 17 06:34
msb_So I guess the antennae and tentacles are just a coincidence, eh?May 17 06:35
cubezzzuv light can damage DNAMay 17 06:36
cubezzzx-rays tooMay 17 06:36
msb_Don't worry, we don't find you folks tasty except with black bean sauce, and even then we can take it or leave it alone.May 17 06:37
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msb_But we actually have found a way to weaponize Linux.  It really is a munition!  Bwa-ha-ha!!!May 17 06:38
msb_Soon, we will give Gates and Ballmer an anal probe they will never forget!May 17 06:41
oiaohmmsb_: I have used Linux for a demolution control terminal.May 17 06:41
msb_Very good!May 17 06:41
cubezzzlol May 17 06:42
cubezzzand they deserve it tooMay 17 06:42
oiaohmI have also seen it controlling a metal storm area dinial system.May 17 06:42
oiaohmYes the australian equal to a do not go mine field.May 17 06:42
oiaohmSet of auto guns that target and fire on anything that enters the area.May 17 06:43
msb_Everyone should have those!  Keep life interesting!May 17 06:43
msb_Whatever happened to those battle robots that used to be on TV?  With the chainsaws and such.May 17 06:45
cubezzzrobot wars?May 17 06:46
cubezzzdon't think that's on the air any moreMay 17 06:46
msb_Yes!  That was fun.  Much better than "professional wrestling".May 17 06:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Groklaw to continue with former Red Hat general counsel in charge 17 06:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] First Habitable Exoplanet? Climate Simulation Reveals New Candidate That Could Support Earth-Like Life !scienceMay 17 06:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] New bill upgrades unauthorized Internet streaming to a felony 17 06:56
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oiaohmrobot wars is not on air any moreMay 17 07:01
oiaohmBut there is still robot war comps May 17 07:02
oiaohm  So far none this year.May 17 07:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Spent the evening re-designing and building - pretty pleased with the results, more to do yet, but happy. :-)May 17 07:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nisshh/@nisshh] I have become a bit of a fan of indie rock music lately, i just find it so cool.May 17 07:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] I think, now a days requirement of php developer in Delhi is very High..May 17 07:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @rgunjan: Reading: A cheat sheet for App Store pricing by @ttscoffMay 17 07:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Renegades Of Funk by Rage Against The Machines never stops being awesome - 17 07:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoConference: Have something new that you want to present at #MeeGoConf? Submit a Late Breaking News session: 17 07:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoConference: Bringing a partner to #MeeGoConf? We have a wiki page to organize sightseeing during the day 17 07:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: Nepcal - Nepali Calendar for the N900: #N900 #MaemoMay 17 07:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: Gngeo - Neo Geo emulator and frontend for the Nokia N900: #N900 #MaemoMay 17 07:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @goforbes28 thanks!May 17 07:44
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TechrightsBot-tr@jdub: Wow, didn't realise Boycott Boy had turned the whole Banshee / GNOME / Canonical thing into a Novell / Mono conspiracy. *boggle*May 17 07:54
TechrightsBot-tr@keybuk: Gosh, I do hope that Boycott Novell don't find out that I'm the angel behind Xamarin's funding! #MonoForeverMay 17 07:54
schestowitzScott Remnant?May 17 07:54
schestowitzHim too promoting mono?May 17 07:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] At last I've got Unity to work on my desktop (GeForce FX5500) I think it's Unity 2D. None the less I love it #ubuntu #unity Thanks @sabdflMay 17 07:56
oiaohmReally the problem with Xamarins moves at this stage its all sounding like short term funding.May 17 08:01
oiaohmSo without long term funding progress will slow.May 17 08:02
oiaohmschestowitz: the big thing now is Xamarins does not have the Novell MS deal.May 17 08:03
MinceRmaybe they'll make another dealMay 17 08:13
MinceRschestowitz: well, he was a canonical employee...May 17 08:16
schestowitzMinceR: I klnowMay 17 08:21
schestowitzHe's in Google now IIRCMay 17 08:21
schestowitz"The people behind <a href="" title="Mono">Mono</a> and <a href="" title="Moonlight">Moonlight</a> recently lost their jobs. AttachMSFT was not interested. Bullying is Mono modus operandi and to popularise .NET is their goal."May 17 08:21
schestowitz"As expected, nobody picked Mono up, so the developers try to regroup in <a href="" title="De Icaza announces new Mono-centric company - Xamarin">a type of post-Ximian order</a>. They register a domain while masking identity, just like Microsoft lobbyists ([cref 6803 e.g. Zuck/ACT]) often do because there is something rogue to hide. May 17 08:21
schestowitzWell, guess where the Mono cultists got its privacy? A company in Bellevue, apparently. That's where a lot of the Microsoft executives live. It's not Boston or Provo. How come? Maybe it's a bit like Outercurve, which needs to pretend to be isolated from Microsoft [[cref 40073 1], [cref 39657 2]] and originally [cref 18050 had Miguel de Icaza on board]. From the domain's <code>whois</code> lookup:"May 17 08:21
schestowitz"We need to keep a close eye on whoever funds Xamarin. Previously, those people did damage to SUSE. The .NET mentality they have promoted in SUSE carried on in the planet recently..."May 17 08:22
schestowitzI am doing a postMay 17 08:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Mono Company Registered Near #Microsoft (Bellevue) #dotnet #novell #moonlightMay 17 08:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Mono Company Registered Near #Microsoft (Bellevue) #swpats #gnu #linux #trojanMay 17 08:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Working on news for !LO....May 17 08:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] I remember thinking they borked PhotoShop ♺ @fabsh: @alisonchaiken Ahahahaha! Yeah.... and Creative Suite isn't bloated??? Come on....May 17 08:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] 19.4% of (EU)GDP is ICT related. A whopping 660 B € - Blatchford from OpenForumEurope at #dorsclusMay 17 08:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] (1) @sandervdmeijs: indien je Unity nog eens op je netbook wilt proberen, adviseer ik je Unity2d eens te installeren.May 17 08:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 165 million downloads on 2011-05-17 07:27 UTCMay 17 08:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] (2)sandervdmeijs: ik heb het nu op mijn desktop draaien (begon te zeuren dat ik niet over de hardware beschik om Unity te draaien).May 17 08:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh and anti money forgery code too!May 17 08:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] (2) @sandervdmeijs: heb het nu op mijn desktop draaien (Ubuntu begon te zeuren dat ik niet over de hardware beschik om Unity te draaien).May 17 08:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] PhotoShop restricts creativity with anti-money forgery too ♺ @fabsh I think Photoshop now officially has more DRM than image-editing code...May 17 08:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Google Adopts Arduino for Android@Home 17 08:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] (3) @sandervdmeijs: GeForce FX5500 met Nvidia Binary Blob 173. Verschil met 3D versie is marginaal. Have Fun ;-)May 17 08:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] It’s All Down to Patents Now #swpats #bedrock #linux #groklaw #yahoo #uspto #scoMay 17 08:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] It’s All Down to Patents Now #monopoly #microsoftMay 17 08:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Another piece of Gnome being chipped out of #Ubuntu: !loMay 17 08:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Lubuntu Now Official Ubuntu Derivative 17 08:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @lxnews hope that doesn't mean LXDE code submissions have mandatory !disturbing CAA to #Canonical :)May 17 08:51
cubezzzwow, that was longer than I thought, 24 minsMay 17 08:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] ♻@mirkoboehm: Newsflash: The world is not desperately waiting for .NET for Android and iOS. Sorry, Miguel. > Too much Kool-Aid, I presume ;)May 17 08:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh sorry? was a bit of a stab at #harm-ony style CAAs :) Imagine if they convinced LXDE to become Canonical sponsored :)May 17 09:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Tor Project Decides to Fork Firefox 17 09:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Boot #Linux In Your Browser - lovely bit of geekeryMay 17 09:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @fabsh the non-appearance so far, of any flame-fests (blog posts, discussions) related to this topic has disappointed me ;)May 17 09:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] @fabsh yay ! just saw the link to mjg59 's blogpost :)May 17 09:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Blake Krikorian's Next Act Is Live: $99 Home Automation App For Android - key point: switched from #iPhone to #androidMay 17 09:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Announcing Xamarin - open source never dies (what happened to #mono...)May 17 09:24
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schestowitzBlechMay 17 09:25
schestowitzIt's not open sourceMay 17 09:25
schestowitzIt's open core Microsoft wareMay 17 09:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Did #LimeWire Shutdown Increase Music Sales? Part II - probably notMay 17 09:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] LyX 2.0 Released 17 09:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Groklaw correctly points out that some years ago there was a sense of urgency as #Linux was under attack. But it won, now we can relax.May 17 09:28
MinceRgeekingsMay 17 09:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] HTTP Protocol for RDF Stores 17 09:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻@mirkoboehm: Newsflash: The world is not desperately waiting for .NET for Android and iOS. Sorry, Miguel. > Too much Kool-Aid, I presume ;)May 17 09:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Cool article #Lx 17 09:33
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MinceRmiguel is desperately waiting for a job at m$, though :>May 17 09:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] My new router looks so cool 17 09:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Leahy’s Protect IP Act: Why Internet content wars will never end - surprisingly deep analysis (v @mmasnick)May 17 09:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Google Pushes More "Chromebooks" 17 09:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] French 3 Strikes Suspended Due To Anti-Piracy Security Alert - the French farce continues #hadopiMay 17 09:39
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cubezzznew episode:May 17 09:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ES: Exclusiva: Las Maquinaciones de Microsoft de Patentes de las Que Nadie Sabe Nada #microsoft #apple #swpatsMay 17 09:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Knowledge as Sacrilege: The Criminalizing of Links and Search Engines - Imhotep, Boris Karloff and #censorshipMay 17 09:46
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schestowitzcubezzz: addedMay 17 09:49
cubezzzthanks dudeMay 17 09:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @tante: Patente sind super! (Ich muss immer lachen, wenn SAP auf den Sack bekommt, die kleinen Freuden im Leben)May 17 09:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Launch of the German Open Source Integration Initiative - "modular ‘stack’ solution for #opensource business solutions"May 17 09:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Los Defensa de los Cárteles de Patentes vs. La Total Supresión de Patentes de Software #dpl #swpats #oin #linuxMay 17 09:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Perl 5.14 Released 17 09:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Craigslist Adopting #MongoDB - another loss for #mysql?May 17 09:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh I know...May 17 09:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxnews/@lxnews] Matthew Garrett on LightDM 17 10:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !lo ♺ @lxnews: Matthew Garrett on LightDM 17 10:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ofcom chief: DE Act kick-off delayed by a year - always wrong, increasingly irrelevant #deact #copyrightMay 17 10:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @jonaso Our @fscons teams need help. Check out to see if you can join as an assistant.May 17 10:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @glynmoody Knowledge as Sacrilege: The Criminalizing of Links and Search Engines - Imhotep, Boris Karloff and #c ...May 17 10:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Firefox 4 races further ahead of IE9 17 10:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Geolocating #Bribery - novel, certainly, but useful? #androidMay 17 10:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Mythbuntu: MythTV 0.24.1 has been released 17 10:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] My new #Ubuntu-flavoured ThinkPad is computing heaven - nice upgeat piece from @doctorowMay 17 10:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft is Bad for the Economy #finance #swpats #skype #nokiaMay 17 10:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Now have @jordanc and my host's support team looking into why Lxhica gets errors for remote connections with *fingers-crossed*May 17 10:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Microsoft is Bad for the Economy #tax #usMay 17 10:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #China’s Internet Population Powers Ahead of US, Hits 477 Million - serious numbersMay 17 10:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @mdz Weirdest idea of the morning (so far): an x86 PC emulator written in Javascript: (via @colinianking)May 17 10:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] My new Ubuntu-flavoured ThinkPad is computing heaven v. @glynmoody #gnu #linux #freedomMay 17 10:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] The new Xing is like Facebook in green? 17 10:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Canonical will keep changing things in !Ubuntu but how long before we have #Gnomebuntu? Probably the way it should beMay 17 10:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] 72.2% not basing software choice on TCO study. Dr. Maha Shaikh at #dorsclucMay 17 10:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @glynmoody Leahy’s Protect IP Act: Why Internet content wars will never end - surprisingly deep analysis (v @ ...May 17 10:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Which OSS saved your organization money? Numbers are all in the 70-80% range. Wow. #dorsclucMay 17 10:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Custom !Unity launcher to boot in another OS 17 10:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Biggest reason for FOSS: Reduce Vendor lock-in on #1, Value fur money #2, Open Standards on #3. Impressive results #dorsclucMay 17 10:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Uh-huh. Now we know a meltdown *did* happen in #Fukushima. I remember I said that on the first day of the catastrophe. Colour me surprised.May 17 10:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Dr. Maha Shaikh: "Framing the Conundrum of Total Cost of Ownership of Open Source Software" + Q&A at #dorscluc - really interesting content.May 17 10:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] BTW - follow @open_sourcing - she is presenting ATM at #dorscluc with really interesting numbers of FOSS TCOMay 17 10:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Mozilla force-upgrading !Firefox 3.5 users, new Aurora channel now available9 to 5 Mac|Christian Zibreg 17 10:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Jono Bacon: Explaining !UDS Sponsorship !ubuntuMay 17 10:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Phone users' location should be protected data, say watchdogs OUT-LAW News 17 10:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #WebUpd8: #Zeitgeist Activity Log Manager Now Available In A !PPA !uMay 17 10:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] When you hear the word "mono" and the word "angle" in the same sentence you just know someone is deluded or just a good liar.May 17 10:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] MT @WiredUK: 9flats in UK, lets you rent your spare room to the web by @Olivia_Solon « This won't work. So many reasonsMay 17 10:34
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schestowitz!/NOVELL "Making IT Work As One"May 17 10:35
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schestowitzLOLMay 17 10:35
schestowitzas MicrosoftMay 17 10:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] UK #communications law review - underpinned by "wider public interest": yeah, if you believe that... (v @copyrightgirl)May 17 10:36
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MinceROne Microsoft WayMay 17 10:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] So will Mark Webbink now wear teh red dress? #groklaw ;-)May 17 10:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Chuck Short: The big !UDS-O !uMay 17 10:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Reasons I'm Healthy - wonderful tribute to the UK's irreplaceable NHSMay 17 10:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #France in 'crisis situation' as drought deepens - just the weather, non? #climatechangeMay 17 10:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @glynmoody: The Reasons I'm Healthy - wonderful tribute to the UK's irreplaceable #NHSMay 17 10:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @mlinksva 80% of hackers agree: abolish all software patents 17 10:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Open Services Innovation - basically, applying #redhat's business model elsewhere #openinnovationMay 17 10:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @ludost "We need librarians more than we ever did. What we don't need are mere clerks who guard dead paper." @thisissethsblog (via @ ...May 17 10:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] CC @methoddan ♺ @corenominal: New blog post: Hello from France - 17 10:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @lxnews Google Pushes More "Chromebooks" 17 10:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Gibraltars geleugnete Katastrophe - schändlich #uk #gibraltarMay 17 11:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Der Spiegel is making me sick. They totally bought the city's story about #Duisburg21 and blame the police. And Sauerland is still major.May 17 11:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I do not understand how people still think Der Spiegel is good journalism. It's been utter crap since Leinemann left.May 17 11:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] "funny" in an unsettling way #privacy, #fictional #dystopiaMay 17 11:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Video: Microsoft, Which Sues Linux, Infiltrates Another Linux Conference and Gets Heckled #microsoft #linuxsolutionsMay 17 11:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Video: Microsoft, Which Sues Linux, Infiltrates Another Linux Conference and Gets Heckled #GCUSQUAD #linux #swpatsMay 17 11:19
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schestowitzRe: You Don't have MailMay 17 11:20
schestowitz> Apologies if I sent this already:May 17 11:20
schestowitz> May 17 11:20
schestowitz>   "The problem isn't e-mail, it's Microsoft Exchange"May 17 11:20
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schestowitz> He talks about the poor usability.  I found the high rate of lost andMay 17 11:20
schestowitz> delayed messages intolerable.May 17 11:20
schestowitzSeveral years ago I still used one mail account that relied on Exchange. May 17 11:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] -- these are good people, buy their music!May 17 11:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] In a bid to stay trim, no cheese n bacon baguette today. Instead wife gave me a tupperware with about a kilo of spaghetti *facepalm*May 17 11:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] !sr Lol! Even the #procrastination tag is getting spammed :P I'm going to make a #cupoftea instead of silencing them :) #ironyMay 17 11:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #PuppyLinux : Top Dog of the Lightweight Distros #gnu #linuxMay 17 11:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] RT @bognarandras "Design/Whiteboards/Menus - GNOME Live!" May 17 11:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Some colleagues of mine began listening to !techbytes and that's nice. I know the same goes for @openbytesMay 17 11:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Almost 4,000 non-cached audio downloads of !techbytes in the past two days alone.May 17 11:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I love the guitar on this song: -- reminds me of !Knopfler a bitMay 17 11:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Not Saving but Building Bletchley Park - "It is official! Bletchley Park is saved!!" great news (v @jackschofield)May 17 11:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 6 Important Changes in Next #Ubuntu 11.10 Oneiric Ocelot everyone wonders about #unity now... mostly negative feedbackMay 17 11:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 9 #Slackware Based Live Distributions Slackware: Remember your roots #gnu #linuxMay 17 11:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @methoddan: We have an early rescheduled Linux Outlaws today. 2pm UK. Not ideal time for people at work I know but if you're free comeMay 17 11:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Firefox 6 Gets URL Bar Upgrade I'm still on 3.6 and they talk about 6...May 17 11:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The #Mono #scientology -like cult is out at full force this week, berating people like me privately and publicly. #microsoft #thugs #dotnotMay 17 11:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] If #dotnot was really that good, it would not need #mono people acting like its #pr agents. #java does not need such tactics, it sells self.May 17 11:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Mozilla Plans End to #Firefox 3.5 With Firefox 5 Beta on Horizon "company is also working on phasing out Firefox 3.5."May 17 11:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Open-source software, #Linux to save Santos $2.5m "by using open-source software and Linux-based systems."May 17 11:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] is the latest site to have become totally inaccessible to people without JavaScript, following footsteps of Gawker #disturbingMay 17 11:53
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TechrightsBot-tr@silner (silner)'s status on Tuesday, 17-May-11 10:48:49 UTC - @schestowitz .. overrated. Now OpenBSD; that was painful, for me. They need cleverer users than me :)May 17 11:55
TechrightsBot-tr@silner (silner)'s status on Tuesday, 17-May-11 10:48:48 UTC - @schestowitz I tried slackware. There was nothing wrong with it and the Slackbuilds are areally smart idea. Rumours of its "pain" are ..May 17 11:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @graziano Dropbox employees can access YOUR files! When will you learn? Keep your data on YOUR !freedombox !fsf !lp !lpit http://ur1. ...May 17 11:56
schestowitz openbsd for desktop!?May 17 11:56
oiaohmI have used openbsd as a desktopMay 17 11:57
oiaohmMostly because I was too lazy to format it.May 17 11:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] @richslxh If you reply to this post, you should see the 500 error.May 17 11:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @vinc17 When pasting a URL with garbage in #Firefox address bar, a search is done on Google. Bad for security as a URL can contain ..May 17 11:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD .. private info < That's a good point and I've not seen it made beforeMay 17 11:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @HNPbrussel: Tweet je vragen voor @NeelieKroesEU met #askneelie, morgen om 2 uur krijg je antwoord in haar Twitterspreekuur. #Digital ...May 17 11:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] This version of !identicurse (updated in Fedora 14 testing this am) seems a little more crashy, especially when posting long (split) postsMay 17 11:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] RT @carlchenet Nagstamon, a Nagios&co status monitor for the desktop, is now available in !Debian Sid ...May 17 12:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Case Of #LibreOffice And CD Space Restriction At UDS-O Canonical should get rid of #Microsoft #Mono and not #OOoMay 17 12:13
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TechrightsBot-tr@silner (silner)'s status on Tuesday, 17-May-11 11:06:00 UTC - @schestowitz well I tried it - I use OpenBSD for my file server and that was easy - ,aybe it's just not designed for DT use?May 17 12:14
schestowitzhi, Real-Rusty|AFKMay 17 12:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Now, a technology-laden Robot that does all household work yes, it runs that typical OS that every robot runs. #linuxMay 17 12:14
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TechrightsBot-tr@fcassia: @schestowitz I beleive its called Javascript, not to be confused with #Java :)May 17 12:14
schestowitzindeedMay 17 12:14
schestowitzDoes anybody here know how to check the registration details of a US-based company, such as the Mono startup?May 17 12:16
schestowitzis there some sites where one scan look it up?May 17 12:16
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TechrightsBot-tr@silner (silner)'s status on Tuesday, 17-May-11 11:15:08 UTC - @schestowitz I thought they were just swapping out OO for Libreoffice?May 17 12:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] !Mageia abroad "...he was a representative of RosaLabs, the company who invented this new menu style! :)"May 17 12:21
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schestowitzThey have also pondered excluding LO/OOO by default, to make room for what I consider to be junk, like mono runtimeMay 17 12:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Quelitu #Linux "This is based on Lubuntu -- Ubuntu with the LXDE desktop environment"May 17 12:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @jontheniceguy: As heard on - Skype + Microsoft .Net = UHOH! Terminator was only a few months out!!! #loMay 17 12:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #MythTV 0.24.1 has been released busting the myth of #gnu #linux not being good for entertainmentMay 17 12:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @nybill: I hope you're not going to be effected by these flood waters they are spilling into Louisiana, @jonkulp.May 17 12:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Goodbye Gnome 2! #gnome3 looks rather good. #KDE 4 is like a dream.May 17 12:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Gnome 3 Menu Mockups 17 12:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] When I speak to friends who still stick with KDE3 it usually turns out that they just don't know *how* to customise KDE4. It's possible.May 17 12:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] One of the useful features in KDE: window-specific settings, e.g. always initially open windows of type /X/ in desktop /Y/ with size /Z/...May 17 12:29
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oiaohmschestowitz: just did my first check Xamarin does not have a trademark registration yet.May 17 12:30
schestowitzwhat else can be checked?May 17 12:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Most ppl: half of all software spend over next 5 years will be FOSS Microsoft tries spinning it (more on that later)May 17 12:31
schestowitzI expect to maybe seen a name of the backerMay 17 12:31
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schestowitzLike sometimes we'd find Microsoft Licensing peopleMay 17 12:31
schestowitzIn Novell's deal for exampleMay 17 12:31
schestowitz 17 12:32
TechrightsBot-tr@silner (silner)'s status on Tuesday, 17-May-11 11:23:44 UTC - @schestowitz I don't think !LibreOffice should be left off the !ubuntu CD - defintely notMay 17 12:32
schestowitzPeople in Africa get Ubuntu *because* it gives them stuff like office suite where Internet infrastructure is poor. Same for GIMP.May 17 12:33
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TechrightsBot-tr@silner (silner)'s status on Tuesday, 17-May-11 11:27:10 UTC - @schestowitz I must admit I still prefer Gnome 2 - which is gonna give an issue eventually - likely solved by moving to KDE or Xfce - ..May 17 12:33
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TechrightsBot-tr@silner (silner)'s status on Tuesday, 17-May-11 11:27:14 UTC - @schestowitz .. choice is absolutely necessary sometimes :)May 17 12:33
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TechrightsBot-tr@agentsmith's status on Tuesday, 17-May-11 11:28:02 UTC - @schestowitz Is there any1 still using KDE 3 ???May 17 12:33
schestowitzcubezzz and msb_ from the IRC channel doMay 17 12:33
oiaohmschestowitz: trademarks for usa search is here 17 12:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: United States Patent and Trademark Office .::. Size~: 40.64 KBMay 17 12:34
schestowitzoiaohm: is there no other form/registry for companies?May 17 12:34
oiaohmschestowitz: I have done  as well no filling here.May 17 12:34
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schestowitzWhy won't the funders be identified?May 17 12:34
schestowitzThey often take pride in givign capitalMay 17 12:34
oiaohmschestowitz: My problem is I don't know where the usa equal to australian ABR.  Australian bussness registeryMay 17 12:35
schestowitzYeahMay 17 12:36
schestowitzThat's why I askedMay 17 12:36
schestowitzBut maybe it's premature to checkMay 17 12:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The #Mono company has no Patent and Trademark Office mentions, let alone SEC or any other form of paperwork. Why is the funder a secret?May 17 12:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft used #Novell 2 funnel money into #mono development and other such Microsoft-favourable projects #ooxml #bribeMay 17 12:43
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oiaohmschestowitz: o crud. 17 12:44
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TechrightsBot-tr@silner (silner)'s status on Tuesday, 17-May-11 11:38:01 UTC - @schestowitz I agree. I personally don't use OO or LO, preferring Abiword and Lyx - but then I have the bandwidth to get whatever ..May 17 12:44
schestowitzSame hereMay 17 12:44
oiaohmschestowitz: I just pulled up how to register a company in the usa.May 17 12:44
schestowitz 17 12:44
TechrightsBot-tr@silner (silner)'s status on Tuesday, 17-May-11 11:38:02 UTC - @schestowitz .. software I want - taking large apps from the CD isn't fairMay 17 12:44
oiaohmschestowitz: each god darn state is different.May 17 12:44
oiaohmschestowitz: and some don't require it at all.May 17 12:44
schestowitzThey ought to survey the userbase. When they removed GIMP over 70% of those polled were against. Canonical ignored, put Mono app in.May 17 12:44
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schestowitzoiaohm: typicalMay 17 12:45
schestowitzFragmented nationMay 17 12:45
schestowitzTry finding out in Bellevue WashingtonMay 17 12:45
schestowitzOr Boston Mass.May 17 12:45
oiaohmAustralia we have 3 centeral registrations to check.May 17 12:45
schestowitzIt'll be one of those two statesMay 17 12:46
oiaohmStock exchange.May 17 12:46
oiaohmABN and ABRMay 17 12:46
schestowitzMiguel and chums live in Boston but travel to Microsoft a lotMay 17 12:46
oiaohmBoston is MassachusettsMay 17 12:47
oiaohmMassachusetts requires anyone who is conducting business under an alias (i.e., any name other than their own), including corporations, to file a business certificate ("doing business as") in the city or town where the business is principally headquartered.May 17 12:48
oiaohmNice no searchable index.  schestowitzMay 17 12:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @jeremyscahill: RT @marcambinder: The AP's Kim Dozier has what appears to be a copy of the UBL raid hotwash. 17 12:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Sources: Raiders knew mission a one-shot deal - Navy News | News from Afghanistan & Iraq - Navy Times .::. Size~: 35.65 KBMay 17 12:49
oiaohmWashington does have a indexMay 17 12:50
schestowitzniceMay 17 12:51
schestowitzbut must they have registered it by now?May 17 12:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺@schestowitz The #Mono company has no Patent and Trademark Office mentions, SEC or any other form of paperwork. Why is the funder a secret?May 17 12:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @schestowitz: Goodbye Gnome 2! #gnome3 looks rather good. #KDE 4 is like a dream.May 17 12:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @schestowitz: #MythTV 0.24.1 has been released busting the myth of #gnu #linux not being good for entertainmentMay 17 12:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] ♺ @schestowitz: #Quelitu #Linux "This is based on Lubuntu -- Ubuntu with the LXDE desktop environment"May 17 12:51
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schestowitzAfter two weeksMay 17 12:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: MythTV 0.24.1 has been released | Mythbuntu .::. Size~: 15.65 KBMay 17 12:51
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schestowitzAnd if so, will the site DB have been updated?May 17 12:51
oiaohmNo list in WashingtonMay 17 12:52
oiaohmAnd washingon is like australia the record is with their tax department.May 17 12:52
oiaohmI would guess registered in MassachusettsMay 17 12:52
oiaohmAnd failed to take out the require trademark.May 17 12:52
oiaohmIn theory someone else could take out the trademark and shut them down.May 17 12:53
oiaohmBasically what has been done is legally risky and I am not supprised from the lead developer of mono schestowitzMay 17 12:53
oiaohmBefore annoyance a trading name to the world you really should hold the trademark.May 17 12:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Another reason to run !google chrome over Chromium 17 12:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh "almost all players are geeks" could be a more valid proposition than "all the geeks play it" :)May 17 12:54
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TechrightsBot-tr@agentsmith's status on Tuesday, 17-May-11 11:46:22 UTC - @schestowitz How do they deal with updates is what I wonder.May 17 12:57
schestowitzKDE3...May 17 12:57
schestowitzcubezzz: maybe you know?May 17 12:57
schestowitzTrinity?May 17 12:57
oiaohmschestowitz:  I think you missed something.May 17 12:57
oiaohmschestowitz: The date the domain name was taken out.  May 15, 2011 08:45:11 PMMay 17 12:58
schestowitzwowMay 17 12:58
schestowitzSo recentMay 17 12:58
oiaohmschestowitz:  Exactly what day was the mono project lead fired.May 17 12:58
schestowitz3rdMay 17 12:58
schestowitzircMay 17 12:58
schestowitziircMay 17 12:58
schestowitz2nd maybeMay 17 12:58
oiaohmSo why so many days delay.May 17 12:59
oiaohmTo holding the domain name.May 17 12:59
schestowitzlet me try betterwhoisMay 17 12:59
oiaohm 17 12:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Whois Lookup - Domain Whois Search, Availability, and Information | eNom .::. Size~: 23.07 KBMay 17 12:59
MinceRoiaohm: probably all those days were spent groveling at m$ :>May 17 12:59
oiaohmI am reading the registars of the domain record.May 17 12:59
MinceRthat or coming up with another x* nameMay 17 13:00
schestowitz 17 13:01
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Security Validation .::. Size~: 1.12 KBMay 17 13:01
schestowitzdoesn't reveal additional infoMay 17 13:01
schestowitz"May 17 13:01
schestowitzWhois Privacy Protection Service, Inc.May 17 13:01
schestowitz   Whois Agent ( 17 13:01
schestowitz   +1.4252740657May 17 13:01
schestowitz   Fax: +1.4259744730May 17 13:01
schestowitz"May 17 13:01
schestowitzIt's a proxyMay 17 13:02
schestowitzTheir site seems bogus 17 13:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Sex Video | Expired Domain Name | Bbw Chat | Whois Privacy at .::. Size~: 8.32 KBMay 17 13:02
schestowitzlike parked domainMay 17 13:02
schestowitz"May 17 13:02
schestowitz    * Asian GirlsMay 17 13:02
schestowitz    * PrivacyMay 17 13:02
schestowitz    * Expired Domain NameMay 17 13:02
schestowitz    * Domain RegistrarMay 17 13:02
schestowitzthree business peopleMay 17 13:02
schestowitz"May 17 13:02
oiaohmschestowitz: I know it does not reveil that much information.May 17 13:04
oiaohmschestowitz: Project lead of mono makes out that he was trying to break mono away for over a year.May 17 13:05
oiaohmschestowitz: so why did a domain/trademark need taking out at the last min.May 17 13:05
schestowitz 17 13:05
TechrightsBot-tr@agentsmith's status on Tuesday, 17-May-11 11:48:16 UTC - @schestowitz Jos Portvliet dented these "news" yesterday, and I replied to him: We all know where the money i$ coming from...May 17 13:05
schestowitzLOLMay 17 13:05
schestowitzyeah, I saw Jos denting itMay 17 13:05
schestowitz 17 13:06
TechrightsBot-tr@agentsmith's status on Tuesday, 17-May-11 12:00:48 UTC - @schestowitz I would like to try it, just to see how Qt4 behaves with Qt3 running the show.May 17 13:06
oiaohm  Also take a close look at the moonlight logo.  schestowitzMay 17 13:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The service that #xamarin .com is registered via is a non-existent Whois Agent with a sex site ( 17 13:06
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oiaohmschestowitz: they don't even have there own logo yet either.May 17 13:07
oiaohmschestowitz: little bit of observence is showing major problems.May 17 13:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The company that carries #Microsoft #Mono was announced just one day after the domain was registered.It's all rather odd 17 13:08
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oiaohmschestowitz: If you where breaking away you would think names and icons for a split away company would be designed.May 17 13:08
oiaohmParticularly if this was planned 12 months go.May 17 13:08
oiaohmTo me all the evidence points to a last min attempt to save tails.May 17 13:09
oiaohmThe angel funding might be the employees own seperation pay.May 17 13:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !Miners I guess we have to wait for the host people to wake up before the server comes back.... :/May 17 13:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] @fabsh freedom !neckbeards, please ;)May 17 13:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] Sigh, @smithnigelw is right, I meant pg 23 in (mixed up the URLs and Page :-/; sorry for that); fixed tweet followsMay 17 13:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] "Majority of -rt to be upstream by 2.6.42" (Pg 23 in - MRG PDF from #redhat summit) Wonder if tglx and mingo know that?May 17 13:09
TechrightsBot-trNot a web page! Aborting application/pdf typeMay 17 13:09
TechrightsBot-trNot a web page! Aborting application/pdf typeMay 17 13:09
schestowitzoiaohm: I knowMay 17 13:10
schestowitzMiguel has a lot of moneyMay 17 13:10
schestowitzthey still look for more fundingMay 17 13:10
schestowitzAnd they might actually find itMay 17 13:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] If #Mono gets packaged up as a company, then it can be acquired.Double-dipping the #Ximian "red carpet"? #novell #dotnotMay 17 13:11
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SolbuYey. Groklaw is Not closing. PF has assigned another lawyer to continue the blog. May 17 13:11
Solbu*PJMay 17 13:11
oiaohmschestowitz: legal shield is gone.May 17 13:11
oiaohmschestowitz: the Novell MS deal is not transferable.  Neither is the sale agreements of NovellMay 17 13:12
oiaohmschestowitz: so unless Mono can get MS backing they are basically a complete legal sitting duck now.May 17 13:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft Florian retweets #Mono news... twice. Gotta keep those Microsoft #swpats in circulation, eh @fosspatents ;-)?May 17 13:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "[L]egal shield is gone. the Novell MS deal is not transferable. Neither is the sale agreements of Novell" ~oiaohmMay 17 13:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] " unless Mono can get MS backing they are basically a complete legal sitting duck now. " ~oiaohm #swpats #mono #TrojanMay 17 13:16
MinceR140859 < schestowitz> Miguel has a lot of moneyMay 17 13:17
MinceRhe's going to burn it :>May 17 13:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] According to @jwildeboer Mr. @fosspatents develops in .NET. He also follows #Barca which #ManUtd will beat on the 28th in Wembley ;-)May 17 13:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Pork n Beans 17 13:18
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TechrightsBot-tr@Rui Seabra (ruiseabra)'s status on Tuesday, 17-May-11 12:14:01 UTC - @schestowitz so now there's a company behind #mono but without the patent racket protection scheme conducted 'tween Microsoft and Novell? :)May 17 13:20
schestowitz 17 13:21
TechrightsBot-tr@agentsmith's status on Tuesday, 17-May-11 12:14:14 UTC - @schestowitz Oh, oh, a turkey so lousy no one wanted to touch it, with a mile long stick...May 17 13:21
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TechrightsBot-tr@agentsmith's status on Tuesday, 17-May-11 12:17:11 UTC - @schestowitz Oh, for his football preferences, he's ok. Only his programming preferences are lousy. ;-)May 17 13:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @MarietjeD66: Binnenkort: Nerds in the Parliament, initiatief voor meer kennis bij collega's over #ICT 17 13:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] International alarm rings over UK ICT policy - wrong: the alarm is from the monopolists & dinosaurs #openstandardsMay 17 13:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Mueller has been ... launching “fatwas”... while refusing to address the very big elephant in the room: Microsoft." 17 13:21
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TechrightsBot-tr@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Why do you take issue with Mono-related ones out of many tweets? I had reported on the Novell deal and this is related to it.May 17 13:21
schestowitzHow so?May 17 13:21
oiaohmThis is not the Novell sale this is after the sale.May 17 13:22
schestowitzyes, exactlyMay 17 13:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft Florian has been entering "polite mode" w/ #Groklaw and I hear it's because of the #Facebook #lobbying expose. He must be nervous.May 17 13:23
oiaohmattachmate is starting to make a new home for itself.May 17 13:23
oiaohmAlso attachmate has not shut down the mono project sites.May 17 13:23
oiaohmSo their could be more hell to come yet.May 17 13:23
oiaohmI would not put it past attachmate to allow mono developers to setup shop by themselfs then patent black mail them for free labour.May 17 13:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ed #Vaizey’s response to being most met minister in 2010 - you don't meet people, you meet industries #lobbyingMay 17 13:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Saw 'The Doctor's Wife' last night. Wonderful episode. Neil Gaiman is an incredible writer, and Mat Smith is a great Doctor.May 17 13:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] My guess is that Florian will quietly vanish just like Microsoft's lobbyist Jonathan Zuck (ACT) when he's close to getting too sloppy.May 17 13:24
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schestowitzHmm... never thought about the siteMay 17 13:24
schestowitzI guess these could be shut downMay 17 13:25
oiaohmBut at this stage attachmate has not.May 17 13:25
oiaohmWhy fire the staff and leave the site up.May 17 13:25
oiaohmBasically something is badly off here.May 17 13:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #xamarin .com registered for just one year. So much of a future, eh? (for comparison, I registered for 10 years in 2004)May 17 13:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Attachmate still owns all the #mono sites/domains. Will it bother paying the hosting bill? Will it relinquish control?May 17 13:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Govt OSS Policy: resilient as a snowflake in June - bad news if this turns out to be correct #openstandards #rf #frandMay 17 13:29
TechrightsBot-tr@: May 17 13:29
schestowitz 17 13:30
TechrightsBot-tr@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz I like the .NET API and I own Visual Studio, but if it were up to me, Microsoft would not own even one .NET-related patent.May 17 13:30
schestowitz 17 13:30
TechrightsBot-tr@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz I look forward to the CL final. I would have liked Real Madrid to win its 10th European cup but in this case I support Barça.May 17 13:30
oiaohmFOSSpatents has to get it that MS does that is the problem.May 17 13:30
schestowitz@FOSSpatents Barça has a good chance, but after the Schalke game, who knows?May 17 13:30
oiaohmDoes not matter how much you like the language.May 17 13:31
schestowitz 17 13:31
TechrightsBot-tr@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Just to clarify, I formally worked for Real Madrid on broadcasting rights but Barça and indirectly Milan supported my efforts.May 17 13:31
oiaohmIf you legally cannot not use it end of matter.May 17 13:31
schestowitz 17 13:31
TechrightsBot-tr@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz I encourage you to also take note of my efforts in covering the Lodsys mess and the critical article I linked to regarding IV.May 17 13:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] features a lot of proprietary software (no access to source code, sometimes #opencore ) marketed as "open source"May 17 13:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @wayneborean Just installed Ubuntu 8.04 on an older system, going to strip #mono out as soon as updates complete. Who needs it?May 17 13:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @wayneborean Not meMay 17 13:31
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schestowitzI see no criticism of IV in the "foss patents" blogMay 17 13:31
schestowitz 17 13:31
TechrightsBot-tr@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Because post-acquisition Attachmate laid off most or all of the Mono staff. That project lookedl ike the 1st victim of the dealMay 17 13:31
schestowitz 17 13:32
TechrightsBot-tr@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz According to Jonathan Zuck just testified at a congressional hearing. I disagree with him on software patents.May 17 13:32
schestowitz 17 13:32
TechrightsBot-tr@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz If you saw my Mono-related tweets, you might also have seen that I seconded and recommended PJ's "nails" comments on Lodsys.May 17 13:32
schestowitz 17 13:33
TechrightsBot-tr@tank6b: @schestowitz OMG! that site... you own that? What is this 1998?May 17 13:33
oiaohmWorst thing would be for mono would be two project leads.May 17 13:33
schestowitzIt was mostly built 8 years agoMay 17 13:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Installing BugZilla. Never done this before.....May 17 13:33
schestowitz 17 13:33
TechrightsBot-tr@wayneborean: @schestowitz Yeah, well @fosspatents isn't all that bright. If you bet against his predictions you'd make money.May 17 13:33
oiaohmIe one at SUSE and the old dog.May 17 13:33
oiaohmThe one at SUSE would still have the patent shield until end of year.May 17 13:34
schestowitzoh, that...May 17 13:34
oiaohmWith a option to renew that shield.May 17 13:34
oiaohmBasically we really don't fully know what in heck attachmate is really upto.May 17 13:34
oiaohmJust because you layed off all staff in one country does that you are giving up on the project completely.May 17 13:35
oiaohmI could not see mono project lead fitting in at SUSE head office.May 17 13:35
schestowitztrueMay 17 13:35
schestowitzThey are also distantMay 17 13:35
schestowitzSUSE is LinuxMay 17 13:36
schestowitzMono is .NETMay 17 13:36
schestowitzCross-platformMay 17 13:36
schestowitzAnd it's based in Boston mostlyMay 17 13:36
schestowitzSUSE is still more German than AmericanMay 17 13:36
oiaohmThe point.May 17 13:36
oiaohmNet need to ship in a distribution.May 17 13:36
oiaohmSo moving that all to one place would be ideal.May 17 13:37
oiaohmYes the mono project was setup in the wrong place from one point of view.May 17 13:37
MinceR 17 13:37
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oiaohmWe need more time to know exactly what attachmate is upto.May 17 13:37
schestowitz 17 13:39
TechrightsBot-tr@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz The only article I link to concerning them is Gene Quinn's article that says IV is obscene abuse of the patent system.May 17 13:39
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TechrightsBot-tr@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz Barça did not play too well in recent months. And when the same 2 teams play another final so soon again, 1st loser often wins.May 17 13:40
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TechrightsBot-tr@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz On my own blog I just make it clear that my focus is on Lodsys, so I refer to Gene Quinn for a detailed discussion of IV.May 17 13:40
schestowitz"@FOSSpatents Gene is a booster of #swpats because he makes money from them. He is just envious of #IV which made blackmail systemic"May 17 13:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] That Sound in the Distance Is Skype's Funeral Dirge @noyesk on the imminent death of VOIP? #swpatsMay 17 13:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Why is this fucking compiler showing me warnings that immediately scroll off the screen? How is that good interaction design??May 17 13:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "Mixing compilers is not supported" WTF!? BUT WHAT DOES IT MEAN?? I NO GUD WITH COMPUTORS OH MY GOD HOW DID I GET HERE HELPMay 17 13:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Jesus fucking Perl is compiling the whole universe. I hate this language! OoMay 17 13:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] By George, Have They Finally Got It? (Er, No...) - UK gov makes right noises, but still doesn't fully get it #opennessMay 17 13:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "Please wait while pulling Cosmos::LawsOfPhysics from CPAN. This will only take a million years... Feel free to have a coffee." Gah!!May 17 13:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Can't decide what is worse.... CPAN or CSPAN....May 17 13:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] Important question, interesting post: How many copies for digital archives etc. to be safe? #Europeana 17 13:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Transparency for all, until It affects me | #gov20 #politicsMay 17 14:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Android handsets 'leak' personal data - #Google is known to be on the case, very different from #Microsoft & #AppleMay 17 14:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @Vickyontowit: At Moores with @_the_mad_hatter and came across a fire fly fan working at here! He likes dads brown coat.May 17 14:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Video: Street Dance in Paris pretty amazing. #paris #robotdanceMay 17 14:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @Chevenga: Philosopher in Arms 476 tser : My hands smack me down. #amwriting #Chevenga #weblitMay 17 14:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Links 17/5/2011: More GNOME 3 Mockups, Groklaw Interviews #techrightsMay 17 14:16
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TechrightsBot-tr@FOSSpatents: @schestowitz I think he and many other IP pros may be concerned about the political backlash that a growing IV's activities may provoke.May 17 14:16
MinceRInitialization Vector?May 17 14:16
schestowitz 17 14:18
TechrightsBot-tr@fcassia: @schestowitz seen this? the forkers must be proud... 17 14:18
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schestowitzForrester (which Microsoft paid to attack Linux) and Kurt at the Microsoft press are not a reliable source IMHOMay 17 14:18
schestowitz 17 14:19
TechrightsBot-tr@RealHPT: @schestowitz Amazing. I had a motorcycle riding blog using Geocities. It was very user friendly to create web pages, learn HTML. Since dead.May 17 14:19
schestowitzKilled by Microsoft entryismMay 17 14:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @alexhundert: RT @timmcsorley: Byron Sonne granted bail; Crown to challenge his release | Media Co-op #g20report #g20May 17 14:19
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Diablo-D3whatMay 17 14:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @sixgun: The Linux Outlaws are live with an Afternoon Special: !LinuxOutlawsMay 17 14:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @ghostler Killed by Microsoft entryismMay 17 14:21
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MinceRDiablo-D3: blogs aren't exactly a new invention, just the buzzword is relatively new :>May 17 14:21
Diablo-D3man, geocities was... I dunnoMay 17 14:22
MinceRlame? :>May 17 14:23
Diablo-D3yes/noMay 17 14:24
Diablo-D3but back when no one used the internet, everyone had a site on geocitiesMay 17 14:24
MinceRi didn'tMay 17 14:25
MinceRi had a site on :>May 17 14:25
Diablo-D3who?May 17 14:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] @wayneborean That makes us 2, twitter is full of spam and ads.May 17 14:28
MinceRa gratis web hostMay 17 14:28
MinceRlike geocities, only with less ugly ads and less ugly urlsMay 17 14:28
MinceRat least back thenMay 17 14:28
MinceRthey might have turned into a news site since thenMay 17 14:28
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schestowitzMinceR: what was your site about?May 17 14:35
MinceRi can't rememberMay 17 14:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #PR firms need to be regulated, with felony offences for breaking the rules for all involvedMay 17 14:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Doing stuff and podcasting at the same time... OoMay 17 14:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] #lo try #hotot it is a cool app for Linux gnome 3 to do identi.caMay 17 14:43
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oiaohmGeocities the 1 page only sites.   It was the one that caused me to find my first major fault in internet explorer.May 17 14:48
schestowitz < mono boosterMay 17 14:48
TechrightsBot-tr@Luís Souto Graña (spectrumgomas)'s status on Tuesday, 17-May-11 13:34:29 UTC - Cuando @schestowitz agarra una presa no la suelta: 17 14:48
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oiaohmWhen I was trying to fit as many pages into 1 page as able using javascript trasnformations.May 17 14:48
schestowitz[13:06] <oiaohm>  Also take a close look at the moonlight logo.  schestowitzMay 17 14:48
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schestowitzWhat about it?May 17 14:48
MinceRsame as the new xwhatever logo?May 17 14:50
oiaohmschestowitz: same logo as what is dominate on the new mono site.May 17 14:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !miners Server back up!May 17 14:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft volume licensing to let you swap iron for clouds, And back again should you so desire (Register): 17 14:53
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oiaohmschestowitz:  It was just a observence thing.  interesting not there now.May 17 14:54
oiaohm  still on the blog post.  schestowitzMay 17 14:55
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oiaohmNot part of the company any more you should not be using the logos.May 17 14:55
MinceR:>May 17 14:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @windigo: I love this podcast. "So I built a cart system from spawn, but all the carts had chickens in them." #theshaft !minersMay 17 15:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Fixing two servers and fucking podcasting live at the same time, that's how I roll.... :DMay 17 15:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] >Barnes & Noble Brings Periodicals to Android Tablets #linux #android #drmMay 17 15:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @QSpotN900 #QSpot 0.9.1-1 now available from extras-devel/garage. Introduces e.g., automatic login changelog: #n900May 17 15:19
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schestowitzoiaohm: good pointMay 17 15:24
schestowitzI think Novell sold the TMs and logos to attachMSFTMay 17 15:24
oiaohmYep.May 17 15:28
oiaohmAll Novell trademarks and the like are attachmates.May 17 15:28
oiaohmThis include the name MonoMay 17 15:28
oiaohmYes the old project lead of mono is about to be in a legal crap storm.May 17 15:29
schestowitzgood pointMay 17 15:30
schestowitzwill raise it laterMay 17 15:30
schestowitzI've got to go now, I'll take the keyboard to make some posts in the gymMay 17 15:30
MinceRmaybe they'll rebrand it to "Stereo" :>May 17 15:31
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xjasonxschestowitz: keybuk Scott James Remnant Gosh, I do hope that Boycott Novell don't find out that I'm the angel behind Xamarin's funding! #MonoForeverMay 17 15:38
xjasonx!/keybuk/status/70305299457773569May 17 15:38
TechrightsBot-tr@keybuk: Gosh, I do hope that Boycott Novell don't find out that I'm the angel behind Xamarin's funding! #MonoForeverMay 17 15:38
xjasonxI guess we know who is funding them nowMay 17 15:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @andyc: Doing stuff with outer joins. This always makes my head hurt.May 17 15:39
xjasonxanyone here?May 17 15:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] On the second can of Monster during this show.... !LOMay 17 15:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] "A good legal agreement is like a virus...."May 17 15:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Interview: Tim Ferriss - am I the only person who finds this man's answers utterly incomprehensible?May 17 15:44
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koolhead17hi allMay 17 15:45
xjasonxhi koolheadMay 17 15:45
xjasonxwhat do you think of this new mono company?May 17 15:46
xjasonxugh, final exam in 15 minutesMay 17 15:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] Mark Shuttleworth on companies and free software 17 16:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #ScottishGas add your email to their lists despite telling them not to, they also don't include unsubscribe links, use a temp email for themMay 17 16:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Greetings !IdentiverseMay 17 16:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @x11r5 i still have the same difference between veronica and betty. And i'm fine with the upgrades. Total makeover!May 17 16:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @lamm Tell President @BarackObama: End the #war in #Afghanistan. 17 16:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Asasinarea Papei Ioan Paul al II-la, comandată de sovietici #pope #politicsMay 17 16:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] [VIDEOP] Filmul sărbătorilor regale din zilele de 9-13 mai 2011 #romania #monarchy #mihaiMay 17 16:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Another !LO in the can. Great fun as always. :DMay 17 16:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @jaffa2: RT @markguim: whoa.. how did pocketnow score this? Nokia N9 teaser! 17 16:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @BritishMonarchy: Gallery of images of The Queen and The Duke of Edinburgh in Ireland #QueensVisit #Ireland: 17 16:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Prezentari si imagini de la conferinta AGORA despre Software Liber #agora #foss #romaniaMay 17 16:41
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GoForbes28good morning all!May 17 16:43
GoForbes28schestowitz: Just caught two minor grammar mistakes in each of the artclesMay 17 16:43
GoForbes28schestowitz: "We at Techrights have repeatedly drove this point home." should be "We at Techrights have repeatedly driven this point home."May 17 16:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] #Pollinosis seems to be subsiding somewhatMay 17 16:44
GoForbes28schestowitz: "We at Techrights of course do not celebrate that fact " should be "the fact"May 17 16:45
GoForbes28good morning thistlewebMay 17 16:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @jabz: "Freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose." !qMay 17 16:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Homeland Open Security Technology (HOST) - DHS+Open Technology Research Consortium: rather a nice vote for #opennessMay 17 16:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] That Sound in the Distance Is Skype's Funeral Dirge #skype #microsoft #voipMay 17 16:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Beyond Skype: VoIP Alternatives #voip #skype #microsoftMay 17 16:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] sometimes Identica is annoying when you can't remember how to spell someone's nick :( there's no tab completion / buddly list etcMay 17 17:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Climate Science-Defying Paper Yanked for Plagiarism - never a dull moment in this fieldMay 17 17:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] tab completion of nicks you follow / in the same group as / who @ you would be a fantastic feature @support #identicaMay 17 17:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Netflix Now The Largest Single Source of Internet Traffic In North America (TechCrunch): 17 17:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @HPLinux: Red Hat Achieves Industry-Leading Virtualization Results with HP: #redhat #hp #linux #gnuMay 17 17:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @psep: RD @aurele: Free Software Foundation has the Software Freedom Activism Guide 17 17:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] NewStatesman: Why I signed the !WikiLeaks NDA 17 17:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Most Interesting People in the Room Launches - nice: an elitist version of #quora: "non-paying folk are Puerto Rico"May 17 17:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Oh !Canada : Finally time to "Free Byron!" !freeByron !cdnpoli #g20 #democracyMay 17 17:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MacroWikinomics: nonthreatening web theory primer for business - witty, thorough reviewMay 17 17:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Looks like next week's hearing at the General Court will be fun, but not as fun as the one in APR 2006. Surely I'm more tired now.May 17 17:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] To all student... Please do hard work because next tome you will get time when your son will marry..May 17 17:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] RT @rsandu Beyond Skype: VoIP Alternatives #voip #skype #microsoftMay 17 17:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] New York release road map to becoming a digital city - handy summary for those of us too lazy to read the whole thingMay 17 17:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] #Nintendo: We'll brick your device if we don't like your software choices, you have no privacy, we own your photos !dbdMay 17 17:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Things you can do with HTML5 - My two HTML5 project got highlighted.. 17 17:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] What the Internet is hiding from you (Ted video): 17 17:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] BMJ bewirbt Urheberrechts-Propaganda für Schüler - won't someone think of the children? #copyright #propagandaMay 17 17:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] e-#G8: la balcanización del Internet - "¿Quién representa a los ciudadanos?"May 17 17:46
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DaemonFCExport laws on software are ridiculous May 17 17:51
DaemonFCall it means is that if I give restricted software to someone in Cuba, for example, I am breaking the lawMay 17 17:51
DaemonFCbut if I give a copy to someone in Canada who turns around and gives it to someone in Cuba, that's legalMay 17 17:51
DaemonFC:)May 17 17:51
DaemonFCSo the law isn't stopping me from "exporting" anything, I just have to give it to an intermediary outside of US jurisdiction May 17 17:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Bitcoin scepticism - and #bitcoin says to this...? (v @newsbrooke) #digitalmoneyMay 17 17:53
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DaemonFCThe main reason for that to exist is so a company like Red Hat couldn't sell software such as that to a an embargoed country, but even there it's pointless because the embargo makes it illegal to do any kind of business with such a countryMay 17 17:54
DaemonFC:)May 17 17:54
DaemonFCthis just means they would be breaking two laws with one actMay 17 17:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Ordered complete DVD collection of Moonlighting. Willis/Shepherd at their best. #80sMay 17 17:54
DaemonFCThe US Federal code is so bloated that there's over 30,000 things you could do leading to prison time May 17 17:55
DaemonFCand that's before you even get to any state or local lawsMay 17 17:56
DaemonFCall factored in, I'm probably breaking a law somewhere by doing anything May 17 17:57
DaemonFCschestowitz, Lawyers love a complex mess of a legal system that is impossible for any person to understand in its entirety May 17 17:57
DaemonFCLawyers are fighting the same-sex marriage ban pro bono, I think, to drum up more divorce business later onMay 17 17:58
DaemonFCThere's this billboard out on a highway just outside of town, rented by the "Indiana Family Coalition" that says "Marriage - Unique by design. Vote your values."May 17 17:59
DaemonFCI agree, Marriage is defective by design, vote Republican and keep the 70% divorce rate for the breedersMay 17 17:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Scotland Yard fights to keep Jack the Ripper files secret - cites Judas Iscariot as reason (v @vickeegan)May 17 17:59
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DaemonFCeveryone is equal under the glorious codified legal system, just some more than othersMay 17 18:00
DaemonFCright Comrade MinceR? :)May 17 18:00
SolbuUnless you can't afford a lawyer. ;-)=May 17 18:01
Solbu*hiding*May 17 18:01
DaemonFCThe purpose of marriage is to reproduce, a lot, you know, like thisMay 17 18:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] The People Who Support #Linux: Jared Blouse Talks About Unbridled Play, Uncompromising Innovation: 17 18:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Tramps like us, baby we were born to run!May 17 18:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Software freedom and the cloud: Cloud computing is not just disruptive to the software market; it’s also disrupt... 17 18:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] oooh @telecomix #datalove @agent23 follows me! <3 ~~~:) (:~~~May 17 18:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Fight modern terrorism by keeping Jack The Ripper documents secret. That's Scotland Yard, not Monty Python. 17 18:08
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SolbuSpeaking of the law. I remember watching a documentary in the late 1990-s about insurance fraud in the US.May 17 18:08
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SolbuOne of the cases involved  buss passengers.May 17 18:08
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SolbuThey have set up a hidden camera inside the bus, and 5 cameras outside in a crossing.May 17 18:10
SolbuThe bus stoped at a red light, and a car, who was in on the undercover operation, just barely bumped the bus from behind. The passengers knew nothing untill the two drivers got out of their weicles, into a store, allegedly to fill out papers.May 17 18:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @NeelieKroesEU: Help me with your experience and insight to get the European #CloudComputing Strategy right! Link to questionnaire at...May 17 18:11
Solbu6 people then boarded the bus. 7 people later filed insurance claims for medical expenses, relating to the accident.May 17 18:12
SolbuThe lowest clain was 1,2 million dollars.May 17 18:12
SolbuThey where fined in court, the ammount they have sought in their claims. ;-)=May 17 18:13
DaemonFCyeah, swoop and squat is a similar scamMay 17 18:13
DaemonFCtwo cars are involved, not counting the 3rd, which is the victimMay 17 18:13
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DaemonFCone car gets to the left or right of the victim, blocking the other lane and the one in front hits the brakes, leaving the victim nowhere to go except slamming into the back of the car in frontMay 17 18:14
DaemonFCit is designed to exploit laws that some states have where all rear end collisions are the fault of the person driving the car in backMay 17 18:14
SolbuI loved that court case. Hehe. The one who claimed 1,2 million dollars in damages, where fined 1,2 million. ;-)=May 17 18:15
DaemonFCthen the scammers say they have "soft tissue damage", usually vouched for by a chiropractor in on the dealMay 17 18:15
DaemonFCthe insurance companies usually settle to keep it out of court cause those injuries are tough to prove either wayMay 17 18:15
DaemonFCobviously the scam is dangerousMay 17 18:16
DaemonFCboth perpetrator and victim have wound up dead when it goes wrong :)May 17 18:16
SolbuYea. I've heard that sometimes people have actually died in these scams, due to unforseen events during the accident scams.May 17 18:17
DaemonFCthe laws are how they are because the insurance companies want someone to blame, and someone to blame quickly May 17 18:17
SolbuUsually a pedestrian.May 17 18:17
DaemonFCthe longer these things drag on, the more they end up paying May 17 18:17
DaemonFCso by statue, it's your fault even if it's really notMay 17 18:18
DaemonFC*statuteMay 17 18:18
DaemonFCnot all states have those laws, Indiana does :PMay 17 18:19
DaemonFCmakes it real bad to be the last car in a pile upMay 17 18:19
SolbuTWo years ago old insurance scams where unravelled here in Norway due to a drowning and a mini sub where enroled to search for the victim. The mini subs camera then revealed some 20 cars on the bottom of the lake.May 17 18:20
DaemonFCif the law was simple, to the point, easy to understand, and meant to punish wrong doers, lawyers would be out of business and white collar criminals would all be behind barsMay 17 18:20
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DaemonFC20 cars?May 17 18:21
Solbuyea.May 17 18:21
DaemonFCis ditching cars in a lake a local custom that I am not aware of? :)May 17 18:21
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DaemonFC"Hey, what's that lake called?" Car Lake. "That doesn't sound all that impressive. "It's what you don't see..."May 17 18:22
DaemonFC:DMay 17 18:22
SolbuPeople strip cars and dump them in lakes in order to later file insurance claims, claming the car is stolen.May 17 18:22
DaemonFCright, but then the car is there waiting to be found at some pointMay 17 18:23
DaemonFCleading to fraud chargesMay 17 18:23
SolbuSome even pay people to steal their cars to do this.May 17 18:23
DaemonFCthat's a really crappy planMay 17 18:23
Solbuthen they don't know where the car is and it was actuallt stolen. ;-)=May 17 18:23
Solbu*actuallyMay 17 18:24
DaemonFCheh, pay a friend to burglarize your house isn't exactly a new one either May 17 18:24
Solbu:-)=May 17 18:24
DaemonFCthose are the people who document everything they ownMay 17 18:24
DaemonFCwhat a coincidence May 17 18:24
DaemonFC"And a jar of peanut butter in the cupboard, half eaten. You're claiming $2?"May 17 18:25
DaemonFC:PMay 17 18:25
SolbuIt's not easy being legal either. I once witnesed a fire in a house a block away, in the street I lived som 13 years ago, and called the fire department when I noticed black smoke.May 17 18:28
SolbuThe police found it suspicious that I called in the fire before anyone else. ;-)=May 17 18:28
SolbuThe next week they called me in for an interview. ;-)=May 17 18:29
DaemonFC"Fine, next time I'll wait until it spreads to 2-3 more houses so you'll believe me. Is that better?"May 17 18:29
DaemonFC(What I would have said)May 17 18:29
SolbuI think they dropped it when it was revealed that i lived practically next door, and my livingroom windows where in th edirection of the fire. ;-)=May 17 18:30
DaemonFCwell, sometimes the person who calsl it in is the person who did itMay 17 18:30
DaemonFChelps to deflect suspicions May 17 18:30
SolbuYea, they said as much.May 17 18:30
DaemonFC"I found the dead guy, just laying there"May 17 18:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @x11r5 @ubuntutwo Is annoyed at paying $11 for a turing test :dMay 17 18:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 166 million downloads on 2011-05-17 17:27 UTCMay 17 18:31
SolbuAnd guilty people can come up with the most unbelivable explanations, trying to avoid sentencing. May 17 18:32
DaemonFCRight, that's why the police interview a suspect over and overMay 17 18:32
DaemonFCguilt causes them to forget their story and change detailsMay 17 18:32
SolbuI once read in a paper that a guy who where prosecuted for rape, claimed the girl "fell on him".... ;-)=May 17 18:32
DaemonFCover and over?May 17 18:33
DaemonFCwas she clumsy or did she have Parkinson's?May 17 18:33
DaemonFC:PMay 17 18:33
DaemonFCSolbu, That's guilty conscience, nervousness, and stupidity all in oneMay 17 18:34
DaemonFCthe police eat those people for breakfastMay 17 18:34
SolbuHehe.May 17 18:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Yay! ♺ @vk7hse: The Southern end of the Great Wall is now complete \o/ !minersMay 17 18:34
SolbuI even vitnessed how stupid someone can be in a police interview.May 17 18:35
DaemonFCSolbu, The best thing you can do is just shut up and don't say anything your lawyer doesn't tell you toMay 17 18:35
DaemonFCnothing you say to the police can help youMay 17 18:35
DaemonFCbut it can come back to hurt you in ways you did not anticipateMay 17 18:35
DaemonFC:)May 17 18:35
SolbuIn college we where 5 people who stole a car. May 17 18:35
Solbuit was discovered the next day, and we where interviewd all 5 together, in the principles office. This is 20 years ago.May 17 18:36
DaemonFCthe police have psychologists because a lot of crimes are committed by people with the same mental profile May 17 18:36
SolbuOne of the two officers aske me something, don't remember what, and I answered.May 17 18:37
DaemonFCserial killers almost always share a lot of psychological traits May 17 18:37
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GoForbes28hi schestowitzMay 17 18:37
SolbuThen one of the others threatend me right there, in front for the police...May 17 18:37
MinceRDaemonFC: yesMay 17 18:37
MinceRfour legs good, two legs better!May 17 18:37
GoForbes28dangit, he still isn't hereMay 17 18:37
GoForbes28There are two grammar mistakes in the latest articles we did that I would to correctMay 17 18:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Matthew #Garrett: If I've only been loaning my patches to #Canonical, can I ask for them back now? 17 18:38
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DaemonFCSolbu, When the police threaten you with something they can't legally make good on, you'll notice there's only one of them in the room with youMay 17 18:38
DaemonFCthat way there's nobody else that heard itMay 17 18:38
DaemonFCwhen they want a witness, there's two of them in thereMay 17 18:38
SolbuDaemonFC: It one of my fellow criminals who threatend me. during the police interview. Hehe.May 17 18:39
Solbu*it wasMay 17 18:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @fontana: Matthew #Garrett: If I've only been loaning my patches to #Canonical, can I ask for them back now? 17 18:39
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DaemonFCdon't send me to jail or I'll come pay you a visit when I get out?May 17 18:40
DaemonFC:DMay 17 18:40
SolbuHe said something like that, yes. hehe.May 17 18:40
SolbuOne of the officers then asked him if that was a threat, and he said they could take it as they whished. And I believe they did.. ;-)=May 17 18:41
SolbuI think he was jailed. I was the only one who confessed, and was fined some $300,-.May 17 18:42
DaemonFCwhat a stupid thing to say to a police officerMay 17 18:42
DaemonFCB-)May 17 18:42
SolbuYea, That was genious. ;-)=May 17 18:42
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GoForbes28hi daemonFCMay 17 18:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Just renewed my LWN subscription. Thanks Matthew Garrett! ;)May 17 18:43
DaemonFCSolbu, I used to work with an off duty police officer when I was a manager at Walmart :PMay 17 18:44
DaemonFChe worked there as a second jobMay 17 18:44
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DaemonFChe pulled me over for speeding and I told him I think we had a conflict of interest May 17 18:44
DaemonFCand he gave me a warning May 17 18:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @reality "No one ever pokes me on Facebook" - Quote of the day. OMG I can't believe I heard thisMay 17 18:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Ubuntu one syncs on one comp but not on the other though it says it is. I would not want to rely on this. This error goes way back #failMay 17 18:44
SolbuMy brother had a similar experience, 15 years ago.May 17 18:45
DaemonFCwarnings don't mean anything unless you get like 8 of them inside 2 years, which is hard to do :)May 17 18:45
DaemonFCthen it turns into a reckless driving citation May 17 18:45
DaemonFC$500 fineMay 17 18:46
Solbuhe was driving for 10 years without a license, and was once stopped in a routine traffic stop.May 17 18:46
DaemonFCoh, that won't go over well here May 17 18:46
Solbuhe recogniced them from erlier on the day, when they came to a crossing at a red light. THen turned on the lights and siren, crosed the intersection, and turned the siren and lights off.May 17 18:47
DaemonFCThat'a an A Misdemeanor for the driving without a license which carries up to 1 year in jail / $5,000 fine, then there's the no insurance part which is another $1,000 fineMay 17 18:47
SolbuWhen he threatend to tell the police commissioner, they relweased him with a warning.May 17 18:47
Solbu;-)=May 17 18:47
DaemonFCand automatic revocation of your driver's license for 2 yearsMay 17 18:47
DaemonFCeven if nothing else happens to youMay 17 18:48
DaemonFCso you can't even get one for 2 years if you tryMay 17 18:48
DaemonFCthere was a guy I used to know that made fake auto insurance cardsMay 17 18:49
DaemonFCthat's brilliantMay 17 18:49
DaemonFCrisk a D Felony to save $30 a month on minimum car insuranceMay 17 18:49
SolbuYea, untill you need it. ;-)=May 17 18:49
DaemonFC:DMay 17 18:49
DaemonFCFraudMay 17 18:49
DaemonFCoh, if he gets pulled over with that, it's fraudMay 17 18:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Big ECPA reform news: RT @SenatorLeahy Introducing bill to update electronic #privacy laws today...want to bring law into digital age.May 17 18:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Record⇒Libraries shelved as school boards look for cutbacks < how to grow an educated workforce, Mr. McGuinty? #ontpoliMay 17 18:49
DaemonFChe goes to prison (not jail) for up to 5 yearsMay 17 18:49
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DaemonFCI told him that if he insisted on using a phony insurance card to get his registration and plates, he should shred the phony card right after thatMay 17 18:50
DaemonFCthat way if he gets pulled over, he doesn't get caught with forged documentsMay 17 18:51
DaemonFCin that case it's *only* the $1,000 civil fine for driving without insuranceMay 17 18:51
DaemonFCnot that $1,000 is chump change May 17 18:51
DaemonFCI'd rather just get 4 years of insurance with that and not worry about a citationMay 17 18:52
DaemonFCyou know it's likely that you'll get pulled over at least once in that 4 years anywayMay 17 18:52
DaemonFCthere's some laws that are too petty to be worth breakingMay 17 18:53
DaemonFCthat's kind of one of them IMOMay 17 18:53
SolbuIn Norway it's not possible to register vehicles without a valid isnurance. The authority who issiues car licenses are linked to a national insurance register, which is updated in real time.May 17 18:53
DaemonFCit's not like you're robbing Fort Knox, you're saving a few hundred dollars a year and risking your ass if you get pulled overMay 17 18:53
DaemonFCThere's a provision in Indiana law that says if you had a non-compliant license for the federal REAL ID Act already, you can renew your license for another non-compliant oneMay 17 18:54
DaemonFCI believe I will invoke that right when my license expires next year May 17 18:55
DaemonFCI don't feel like carrying a national ID around with me if I really don't have toMay 17 18:55
DaemonFCI'll print out a copy of that provision to cite when I go talk to some idiot state employee at the DMV about itMay 17 18:55
DaemonFC:DMay 17 18:55
SolbuI have never understood the reason for requirering ID to get an insurance.May 17 18:56
DaemonFCThey also tried giving me one of those "In God We Trust" plates last time I was in thereMay 17 18:56
SolbuIn norway I don't remember having to show my ID wen I have applied for various insurances.May 17 18:56
DaemonFCI pitched such a fit about it, they gave me a pickup truck plate with the state flag on it to make me shut up and go awayMay 17 18:56
DaemonFC:PMay 17 18:56
SolbuHeheMay 17 18:57
DaemonFCI showed them my ACLU member card and said I'd be in touch with them about it if I had to stick one of those things on my carMay 17 18:57
DaemonFC:)May 17 18:57
DaemonFCthis state is so corrupt it's not even funnyMay 17 18:58
DaemonFCprivatize everything, contract toll roads and prisons to foreign companiesMay 17 18:59
DaemonFCtry to sell them the state lottery tooMay 17 18:59
DaemonFCgive IBM a no bid $2 billion contract to run the state welfare programMay 17 18:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @NeelieKroesEU: Reminder: tomorrow 2pm Brussels time, we'll talk and you can #AskNeelie questions.May 17 18:59
DaemonFCyank it back a year later halfway into the implementation because IBM did such a crappy jobMay 17 18:59
DaemonFCsit on the news agencies so they won't report the prisoners taking over one of those privatized prisons that had one guard per 50 inmatesMay 17 19:00
DaemonFC:)May 17 19:00
DaemonFCre-elect the guy who did all of thatMay 17 19:00
DaemonFCcause he promotes God on our license platesMay 17 19:01
DaemonFC:DMay 17 19:01
SolbuObviously. :-)=May 17 19:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] ♺ @jwildeboer: Fight modern terrorism, keep Jack The Ripper documents secret. That's Scotland Yard, not Monty Python. 17 19:04
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_Goblinhi all....posting to you via natty.....May 17 19:06
_Goblingiving it a run for the first timeMay 17 19:07
ThistleWeb_Goblin: the windows key is your freindMay 17 19:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Security advisories for Tuesday 17 19:08
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ThistleWebon the logout menu at the top left, there's a shortcut to the settings tooMay 17 19:08
ThistleWebtop right evenMay 17 19:08
_Goblin?May 17 19:10
ThistleWebyour name, at th top right, with logout, restart etc......has a link to the system settingsMay 17 19:10
ThistleWebsaves a few clicks to get through to it normallyMay 17 19:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] #Chickenpox rules! NOT! 17 19:11
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ThistleWebto open apps, click the windows key and start typing, the windows key is the same as clicking the ubuntu logo in the top leftMay 17 19:11
ThistleWebI assume you mean Unity, when you say NattyMay 17 19:12
MinceRdoes it also work as a modifier key?May 17 19:13
_GoblinahMay 17 19:13
_Goblinsee what you mean!May 17 19:13
DaemonFCUnity!May 17 19:13
DaemonFCMinceR, Press the Windows keyMay 17 19:14
_GoblinMy hand was forced since I had a failure with SabayonMay 17 19:14
DaemonFCB-)May 17 19:14
MinceRDaemonFC: what? it's unity with winblows... and with macos.May 17 19:14
_Goblinso I thought what better time than to check 11.04 on my main rigMay 17 19:14
MinceRs/time/way to waste &/May 17 19:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I fucking hate CGI! Gah!!!!May 17 19:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] Code Documentation will attract Developer and Demo will attract User. Trick for good FOSS development..May 17 19:14
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MinceRfinally i can start trying distros out in VM-sMay 17 19:15
_Goblincpu usage is much higher than sabayonMay 17 19:15
ThistleWebunity is better than many say, but it's not brilliantMay 17 19:15
DaemonFCMinceR uses Hyper-V with CentOS May 17 19:15
DaemonFCB-)May 17 19:15
MinceRguess againMay 17 19:15
DaemonFCHyper-V with SUSE?May 17 19:15
DaemonFCB-)May 17 19:15
MinceRguess againMay 17 19:16
DaemonFCHyper-V with RHEL?May 17 19:16
MinceRguess againMay 17 19:16
DaemonFCI know Hyper-V works with Ubuntu, so you're a Hyper-V with Ubuntu guy, who uses Unity on Windows ServerMay 17 19:16
DaemonFCahhhMay 17 19:16
MinceRnot even closeMay 17 19:17
_Goblinits going to take some getting used too but I think the wife will love UnityMay 17 19:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Thanks Abhishek Singh, your blog rocks! 17 19:18
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DaemonFCMinceR virtualizes his Linux pirateware so he can run fake .NET with ASP.NET through Mono on SLES with Microsoft AND Novell support May 17 19:18
DaemonFC:DMay 17 19:18
MinceRwhat is "Linux pirateware"?May 17 19:19
MinceRalso, what is "Microsoft support" and "Novell support"?May 17 19:19
DaemonFCYou didn't pay Ballmer for the 300 bazillion Windows patentsMay 17 19:19
_Goblinmy biggest issue is that minmised packages don't appear on my bottom task bar.....years of Sabayon use I suppose....I could change but I think Im going to see if I can get used to this.May 17 19:19
DaemonFCLinux is really made from stolen Windows XP source codeMay 17 19:19
DaemonFC 17 19:19
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DaemonFCPeople's Exhibit AMay 17 19:19
DaemonFCheheMay 17 19:19
MinceRhello there, Mr. McBrideMay 17 19:19
MinceRPeople's Exhibit for the People's Republic?May 17 19:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] I've been rocking out with my !Trisquel USB card from !FSF for a week now. Didn't have to haul my old, beat-up laptop to Puerto Rico. :)May 17 19:21
ThistleWeb_Goblin: some appear on the top bar, but that means a new API that not all apps have adapted yetMay 17 19:22
ThistleWebI got annoyed with xchat not being there, well the icon / notification area thingMay 17 19:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Yes! Got Bugzilla running! Thanks Aks!May 17 19:23
MinceRthat's the canonical way.May 17 19:23
DaemonFCThistleWeb, same May 17 19:23
ThistleWebthe windows do appear on the side launcher but in a kinda odd and not very intuitive wayMay 17 19:23
MinceRand that came from OSuXMay 17 19:23
ThistleWebarguably the most annoying part of unity that I found was the global menu hiding the drop down menus until you mouse over themMay 17 19:25
DaemonFCUbuntu is counterintuitive May 17 19:26
ThistleWebI like the space saving, specially on the small screen but that is an annoying additionMay 17 19:26
DaemonFCthey take stuff that worked fine and change it just to look differentMay 17 19:26
DaemonFCit's how proprietary software worksMay 17 19:26
ThistleWebwhere you have to make a window active to get the menu to change to be able to use itMay 17 19:26
MinceRi wouldn't say that the global (crApple-style) menu worked fine everMay 17 19:26
MinceR:>May 17 19:26
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_GoblinCurrently theres two issues for me.....May 17 19:27
_Goblin1. the running apps are shown merely as arrows pointing to icons on the side bar...May 17 19:27
_Goblin2. the cpu usage even when idle....massive compared to showing an average of 10% on all four processors....May 17 19:28
_Goblinsabayon I'd be lucky to scrape 5% on twoMay 17 19:28
_Goblinmind you, customization might sort that out...Ive only been running it for around 30mins on my main rigMay 17 19:29
ThistleWebunity is very limited with customisation, partly because it's new, and partly because canonical don't want itMay 17 19:29
MinceRit's the crApple way :>May 17 19:29
ThistleWebname calling always makes people look matureMay 17 19:30
ThistleWebat least that's how I thought at age 5May 17 19:30
MinceRand that's how you add customization options to unity.May 17 19:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] AWWWW GOD!!!!!! Augmented reality on CSI. Shoot me now!May 17 19:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @Lionelsola: Demain à 14h le Commissaire Européen pour la politique numérique @NeelieKroesEU répondra aux questions posées sur twitte ...May 17 19:33
_GoblinI'm right in thinking Evolution has no newsgroups feature...?May 17 19:34
MinceRas far as i can tell, it has noneMay 17 19:35
_GoblinI do like the app store....May 17 19:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] EFF weighs in on Lodsys v. Apple patent infringement accusations in @engadget 17 19:36
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_Goblinclicking around....very easy to find exactly what I want.May 17 19:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] Harald Sitter: !Kubuntu 11.10 Sneak Peak 17 19:38
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GoForbes28hi _goblinMay 17 19:38
schestowitz 17 19:39
TechrightsBot-tr@fcassia: @infoworld arrives only 6hs late to the news that @schestowitz broke earlier todayMay 17 19:39
TechrightsBot-tr@fcassia: @infoworld Just trying to boost the morale of @schestowitz dont take it too personal. Keep up the good work :o), you guys rule, too.May 17 19:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Crowdsourcing Links some !techrights newsMay 17 19:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Crowdsourcing Links some #techrights newsMay 17 19:39
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TechrightsBot-tr@dmacvicar: @c_farrell @schestowitz just need an enemy. I wonder how he will keep the MS conspiration theory now.May 17 19:40
MinceRm$ perspiration theoryMay 17 19:40
schestowitznot to worry, I haven't forgotten SUSE guys ;-)May 17 19:40
schestowitz 17 19:41
TechrightsBot-tr@G. Forbes (goforbes28)'s status on Tuesday, 17-May-11 17:40:46 UTC - @schestowitz Two minor but apparent grammar mistakes in the two articles we didMay 17 19:41
schestowitzMinceR: blame BallmerMay 17 19:41
MinceR:>May 17 19:41
schestowitzGoForbes28: what are these mistakes?May 17 19:41
schestowitzThis is why we needed a second personMay 17 19:41
GoForbes28schestowitz: In the mono article, "drove" should be drivenMay 17 19:42
schestowitzto also help proofread, both sidesMay 17 19:42
schestowitzI didn't catch the typosMay 17 19:42
schestowitzand the second?May 17 19:42
schestowitzfirs fixedMay 17 19:42
schestowitz*fristMay 17 19:42
schestowitzveen firstMay 17 19:43
schestowitzevenMay 17 19:43
schestowitzmehMay 17 19:43
_Goblinhi RoyMay 17 19:43
schestowitzHi, _GoblinMay 17 19:43
schestowitzvideo today? :-)May 17 19:43
_Goblinwell....May 17 19:43
GoForbes28in the mono article, we actually have twoMay 17 19:43
GoForbes28duplicate "the"sMay 17 19:43
_Goblinmy rig has just had natty put on it...firstly for a proper look but secondly I hosed my sabayon (my faultMay 17 19:43
GoForbes28and "of course do not celebrate that fact" should be "the fact"May 17 19:44
GoForbes28"the the Mono cultists"May 17 19:44
GoForbes28not major mistakes, just noticeable onesMay 17 19:44
GoForbes28I wish I had time to go through them with a pen and paerMay 17 19:45
GoForbes28paperMay 17 19:45
schestowitzGoForbes28: ok, doneMay 17 19:45
GoForbes28goodMay 17 19:46
GoForbes28I didn't spot any other obvious onesMay 17 19:46
GoForbes28the article turned out very well :)May 17 19:46
schestowitz_Goblin: doesn't sound too badMay 17 19:46
GoForbes28*articlesMay 17 19:46
schestowitzNow you can have a fresh systemMay 17 19:46
schestowitzAnd try a new distroMay 17 19:46
GoForbes28I can?May 17 19:46
schestowitzthe THE mono clutistsMay 17 19:46
schestowitzNot typo << kiddingMay 17 19:46
schestowitzThey think they're THEMay 17 19:47
schestowitz"you're so vain..."May 17 19:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] ... e dagli amici mi guardi iddio. :-((May 17 19:47
MinceRMr. VainMay 17 19:47
GoForbes28lolMay 17 19:47
GoForbes28don't get the jokeMay 17 19:47
GoForbes28ok, so you mean I have time to format my computer now?May 17 19:47
schestowitz[16:45] <GoForbes28> schestowitz: "We at Techrights of course do not celebrate that fact " should be "the fact"May 17 19:47
schestowitzI see nowMay 17 19:47
GoForbes28goodMay 17 19:48
GoForbes28The Borg cultistsMay 17 19:48
GoForbes28The THE Borg cultists :)May 17 19:49
DaemonFCThe clitorists evenMay 17 19:49
DaemonFC:PMay 17 19:49
GoForbes28schestowitz: all mistakes are fixed for sure now?May 17 19:49
DaemonFCschestowitz, Is there much khtml development going on anymore?May 17 19:50
DaemonFCtheir CVS mailing list is deadish unless you count TrinityMay 17 19:50
schestowitzGoForbes28: check to be sureMay 17 19:50
GoForbes28DaemonFC: I think KHTML is slowly being abadoned if it hasn't been alreadyMay 17 19:50
DaemonFCit would be nice if the webkit kpart integrated better with Konqueror May 17 19:51
GoForbes28I think it's too late now, Apple has gone too farMay 17 19:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Gary Hamel: Reinventing the Technology of Human Accomplishment | #innovation #hackmanagementMay 17 19:53
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GoForbes28Though Google's stake in WebKit does present some hopeMay 17 19:53
DaemonFCWebkit is bloatedMay 17 19:54
DaemonFCand it doesn't integrate with Konqueror's Adblock properlyMay 17 19:54
DaemonFCand it doesn't trigger KDE protocol handlers May 17 19:55
GoForbes28how well does it work with GTK DEs?May 17 19:55
GoForbes28Midori (XFCE) uses webkit and so does Epiphany nowMay 17 19:55
DaemonFCEpiphany is EPIC FAILMay 17 19:56
DaemonFCMidori is kind of nice May 17 19:56
DaemonFC:)May 17 19:56
GoForbes28Midori is like an a Free-Software OperaMay 17 19:56
GoForbes28:)May 17 19:56
DaemonFCThe only part of Epiphany that works well is Webkit May 17 19:57
GoForbes28Was Epiphany always an epic failure in your opinion, even during the Gecko years?May 17 19:57
DaemonFCthe browser itself just totally bitesMay 17 19:57
GoForbes28Galeon?May 17 19:57
DaemonFCWebkit works better than GekoMay 17 19:57
DaemonFCbut the problem is the Epiphany interface conforms to GNOME's stupid HIGMay 17 19:58
DaemonFCstripped down, uselessMay 17 19:58
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DaemonFCthe ad blocker uses an obsolete filter format that NOBODY uses anymoreMay 17 19:58
DaemonFC:)May 17 19:58
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DaemonFCthere's plenty of browsers that use Webkit and have plenty of power user options, extensions, proper ad blockingMay 17 19:58
DaemonFCthe only reason for Epiphany to exist is the kind of morons that use GNOME 3May 17 19:59
DaemonFCtelling people to fix GNOME 3 to work sanely using unsupported extensions that will break the first time you upgrade GNOME is not an answerMay 17 19:59
DaemonFC:)May 17 19:59
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GoForbes28Thanks for the rantMay 17 20:03
GoForbes28lolMay 17 20:03
GoForbes28So Midori isn't so bad?May 17 20:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Setting up a Bugzilla instance for Sixgun Productions.May 17 20:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] RegExShmegExMay 17 20:03
GoForbes28Can you elaborate?May 17 20:03
GoForbes28I mean, your experience with Midori?  I love it, but I would like to here your perspective DaemonFCMay 17 20:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] My new Ubuntu-flavoured ThinkPad is computing heaven (Guardian/Cory Doctorow): 17 20:06
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DaemonFCMidori is small, it's got all the extensions most people will need, it's fastMay 17 20:07
DaemonFCuhhh, it doesn't spy on youMay 17 20:07
DaemonFCit has optionsMay 17 20:07
DaemonFCit's so not Epiphany :PMay 17 20:07
DaemonFCor ChromiumMay 17 20:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] ♺ @mtrichtaktueel: Een roze poëziemiddag #Maastricht #gk #gaykrantMay 17 20:08
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DaemonFClike I said, I'd like to see the webkit kpart improve May 17 20:08
DaemonFCthe problem with Webkit for qt is that nokia maintains itMay 17 20:08
DaemonFCso it's broken in a number of very important ways that will probably not be fixed until Nokia gets rid of it and if someone else picks it upMay 17 20:09
MinceRmidori also likes to block if it wants to play a sound effect and the audio device happens to be busyMay 17 20:09
MinceRfun.May 17 20:09
GoForbes28MinceR: What?May 17 20:12
GoForbes28What do you mean "block"?May 17 20:12
DaemonFCMinceR isn't using Pulseaudio I guessMay 17 20:13
MinceRindeedMay 17 20:13
DaemonFCproblems like that are common if you aren't using Pulseaudio because ALSA sucksMay 17 20:13
MinceRGoForbes28: it freezes until the device frees upMay 17 20:13
MinceRDaemonFC: PA sucks harderMay 17 20:13
GoForbes28DaemonFC: MinceR: He said, she saidMay 17 20:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Facebook Likes #Microsoft A look at Facebook’s sheer hypocrisy and close ties with Microsoft (which tighten further)May 17 20:14
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GoForbes28They both suck it sounds likeMay 17 20:15
GoForbes28is there a third option?May 17 20:15
DaemonFCOSS 4May 17 20:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Facebook Likes Microsoft A look at Facebook’s sheer hypocrisy and close ties with Microsoft (which tighten further)May 17 20:16
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MinceRALSA probably doesn't suck so much if it's properly configured and no broken apps that try to use the low-level API are runningMay 17 20:16
DaemonFCif you want to patch that into your kernel, Ubuntu blocks the DEBs May 17 20:16
DaemonFCthey install, the modules won't load thoughMay 17 20:17
MinceR(i suspect that midori was trying to do just that)May 17 20:17
MinceRi've also heard of something called roaraudio, not sure if it's any goodMay 17 20:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ye Gods gnome-look is horrendous without an adblockerMay 17 20:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @lryan98245 Supreme Court OKs warrantless searches " Constitution ok to ignore completely at this point #FAILMay 17 20:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Ok, so its being a little funny with my at the moment. I blame Gwibber.May 17 20:23
GoForbes28What does Debian use by default?May 17 20:23
GoForbes28ThistleWeb: You are still using Crunchbang?May 17 20:23
MinceRprobably alsaMay 17 20:24
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ThistleWebno, I just replaced it with xubuntu 11.04May 17 20:25
GoForbes28Thistleweb: Upgrade didn't work out? :(May 17 20:26
_Goblinschestowitz, thistleweb forgot to say.....was contacted by the developers of GTC today....they will come on the show for an interviewMay 17 20:26
GoForbes28!google GTCMay 17 20:27
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TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Good 'Til Canceled (GTC) Definition | 17 20:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Groklaw - "The blog that made a difference" 17 20:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] ♺ @koenvervloesem: RT @JeanPaulKeulen: Tuurlijk Word, 'hogeropgeleiden' is geen woord, maar 'hongeropgeleiden' en 'hoeropgeleiden' wel. LOLMay 17 20:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #OpenSUSE Status: Not Good 17 20:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[richslxh/@richslxh] Just want to big-up @jordanc and the ICDSoft SureSupport team for helping get my instance working. Bloody amazing support :)May 17 20:31
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GoForbes28_goblin: What is GTC?May 17 20:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Removed Mono from fresh installed Gnome on desktop, Skype and quit Facebook account. Zero tolerance! No MS Gestapoware on my rigs :-pMay 17 20:34
_GoblinGoForbes28: Greedy Car ThievesMay 17 20:35
_Goblin 17 20:36
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DaemonFCOpenSuse seems to be in a position to make a comeback from the piss poor Novell crap that went in itMay 17 20:36
DaemonFClike MonoMay 17 20:36
MinceRit can go back to plain, regular crap? :>May 17 20:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] AT&T whistleblower Mark Klein, #EFF's witness in NSA cases, quoted by @NewYorker on whistleblower witchhunts 17 20:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @ActiveIngreds Bloggers want to read content written by those who mirror their position/role, not celebritiesMay 17 20:43
GoForbes28schestowitz: Have we any luck with LiberalViewer?May 17 20:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] So #Shuttleworth's grand vision for !freesoftware is that every project will become an #opencore company? Cf. 17 20:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Gwibber sorted, must admit I can't see yet what the anti-Unity is about...It just takes getting used to.May 17 20:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @eff AT&T whistleblower Mark Klein, #EFF's witness in NSA cases, quoted by @NewYorker on whistleblower witchhunts 17 20:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] FIVE TIMES IN A FUCKING ROW now, I've had to kill #Firefox when it begins because it eats all my RAM & CPU, I'm losing patience with itMay 17 20:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] OpenSUSE Status: Not Good #suse #novell #gnu #linux #microsoft #swpats #selloutMay 17 20:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] “We are witnessing the bipartisan normalization and legitimization of a national-surveillance state,” New Yorker #1984May 17 20:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I was gonna check a site about 30mins ago, but had to spend all that time fighting fucking #Firefox, I forgot what I intended to doMay 17 20:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #IDG Helps Sell the Illusion of #Microsoft as ‘Friend’ of Open Source #infoworld #networkworld #spin #pr #osbcMay 17 20:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] IDG Helps Sell the Illusion of Microsoft as ‘Friend’ of Open Source #idc #fakenews #propaganda #centos #linux #gnuMay 17 20:53
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GoForbes28thistleweb: so what happened with Crunchbang?May 17 20:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] G'night @nj3maMay 17 20:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is fabsh with 292 dents!May 17 20:58
ThistleWebGoForbes28: it didn't play well with pulse audio in switching devicesMay 17 20:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] @fontana @bkuhn's ideas about public companies may ultimately derive from a disfavored reading of Dodge v. Ford: 17 20:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @kuro Exploding watermelons put spotlight on Chinese farming practices (Guardian) !fawMay 17 21:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @copiesofcopies I know that, but I'm trying to troll @bkuhn :-) Although, I note that @bkuhn did not limit his statement to public companiesMay 17 21:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Eight-year-old Botox user taken into care in America 17 21:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I realize that it's a !bad thing, but I'd kind of like to see a field of exploding watermelons explode #entertainmentMay 17 21:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] @fontana put another way: companies cite DvF ideas as "law" excusing antisocial behavior, and the public has bought it without fact-checkingMay 17 21:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] @fontana I'm being generous. (Also, I know you know. I'm just trolling @bkuhn indirectly.)May 17 21:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] #Shuttleworth: "radical faction" made lives of #OOo devs "hell" by refusing to contribute under #Sun agmt (see )May 17 21:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @copiesofcopies I sometimes think we are all trolling @bkuhn in some way or otherMay 17 21:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Don't American citizens have a problems with "warrantless domestic spying by the N.S.A."~NewYorker !WikiLeaks #1984May 17 21:06
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GoForbes28thistleweb: And Xubuntu doesn't use Pulseaudio?May 17 21:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Why is it a/ I can never remember passwords and b/ when I request a reset, they never seem to come?May 17 21:08
_Goblindamn skypeMay 17 21:08
_Goblincan never remember the password and can never seem to get a replacementMay 17 21:08
ThistleWebI mean I couldn't get crunchbang to respect devices in pulse audioMay 17 21:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Everybody is praising #Bellard's JavaScript x86 emulator but ignoring that it is #nonfree which strikes me as somewhat !disturbingMay 17 21:11
GoForbes28ohMay 17 21:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Today is Day 330 of incarceration ... Tomorrow is !FreeByron day ... ... 9:30 a.m at 361 University Ave. TorontoMay 17 21:13
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GoForbes28I was actually going to give it a try myself :PMay 17 21:13
GoForbes28see you later all!May 17 21:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @expatpaul Words fail me ♺ @thistleweb: 8-year-old Botox user taken into care in America << some kids need rescuingMay 17 21:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] RD @cwebber @jzb writes another article about #GNU #MediaGoblin; why AGPL is a good choice for the project 17 21:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good night, @richslxh02May 17 21:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @stephwho: The Impact of Microblogging on Corporate Communication - please help by answering a couple of questions: 17 21:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] I have just assented to the enlightened and progressive !Fedora Project Contributor Agreement 17 21:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Goodnight @kuroMay 17 21:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] G'night to you too ;) @sanderschMay 17 21:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joshuagay/@joshuagay] RT @dbd @johnsu01 writes a good BoingBoing submission -- Only 50 more to go to Brick Nintendo: ! ...May 17 21:38
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_Goblinschestowitz, you there?May 17 21:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @reality @x11r5 Why the fuck are you speaking senseMay 17 21:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @eff AT&T whistleblower Mark Klein, #EFF's witness in NSA cases, quoted by @NewYorker on whistleblower witchhunts 17 21:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jargon/@jargon] i would like to share with u this wallpaper !wikileaksMay 17 21:48
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TechrightsBot-tr@dmacvicar: @schestowitz one day you will realize how many people and FOSS projects got hurt with your illness. Get help.May 17 21:50
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schestowitz_Goblin: ysMay 17 21:50
schestowitzare we recording then?May 17 21:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @copiesofcopies @bkuhn you're talking so abstractly that ∄ logical way to respond. ∄ a universal rule on the point you raise. (h/t @b ...May 17 21:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @reality "Suddenly Identicurse"May 17 21:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Open letter to Pamela Jones #groklaw #techrightsMay 17 21:51
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koolhead17hi allMay 17 21:52
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_Goblinschestowitz, can we give sip a go quicklyMay 17 21:57
schestowitzsure!May 17 21:58
_Goblinyou'll have to remind me your sip addresss.May 17 21:58
schestowitzI'm connctedMay 17 21:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @nj3ma "@HuffPostArts: Artists won't see a penny of the RIAA-Limewire settlement" < it's *never* been for the artistsMay 17 21:58
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schestowitz24/7May 17 21:58
_Goblinwhat is the sip address again?May 17 21:58
schestowitzschestowitz at ekiga netMay 17 21:59
DaemonFCschestowitz@SKYPE.SKYPE.SKYPE.developersMay 17 21:59
DaemonFCB-)May 17 21:59
schestowitzpatents patent patentsMay 17 22:00
schestowitzBallmer doesn't care about developersMay 17 22:00
schestowitzNot even edvrtidsersMay 17 22:00
_Goblinyeah....thought soMay 17 22:00
_Goblinno joy at all with Ubuntu and LinphoneMay 17 22:00
DaemonFCschestowitz, What are your thoughts on Chrome May 17 22:00
DaemonFCEvil privacy invading spyware?May 17 22:01
cubezzzsorry what was that? I was compiling icecat :)May 17 22:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !Copyright is not for artists, it's for those who live off the artists: RIAA, Record Labels Win $105M; Artists To See $0 17 22:01
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schestowitz_Goblin: and wkiga?May 17 22:02
schestowitzI use ekigaMay 17 22:02
_Goblinwhat port do you use?May 17 22:02
schestowitzport? default one.May 17 22:02
_Goblinfor some reason 5060 is being hoggedMay 17 22:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Join EFF in the SF Mission Friday to discuss social media and the Arab Spring! 17 22:03
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schestowitz_Goblin: i have not changed any settingsMay 17 22:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] "The Bush people have been let off. The telecom companies got immunity. The only people Obama has prosecuted are the whistle-blowers." !qMay 17 22:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Xamarin Analysed #mono #moonlight #microsoft #novell #swpats #trojarinMay 17 22:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] #Xamarin Analysed #dotnot #development #monotouch #monodroid attachmateMay 17 22:09
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schestowitz[20:26] <_Goblin> schestowitz, thistleweb forgot to say.....was contacted by the developers of GTC today....they will come on the show for an interviewMay 17 22:10
schestowitzNiceMay 17 22:10
schestowitzI think cubezzz might be worth having onMay 17 22:10
schestowitz[20:45] <GoForbes28> schestowitz: Have we any luck with LiberalViewer?May 17 22:11
schestowitzHaven't hard anythingMay 17 22:11
schestowitzBut thanks for trying so farMay 17 22:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] #Xamarin sounds like the name of some patented pharmaceutical productMay 17 22:11
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schestowitz[21:08] <_Goblin> can never remember the password and can never seem to get a replacementMay 17 22:12
schestowitzaSK ClippyMay 17 22:12
schestowitzMicrosoft added it, no?May 17 22:12
cubezzzthere are rumours of a clippy comeback :)May 17 22:12
schestowitz[22:00] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, What are your thoughts on Chrome May 17 22:13
schestowitzdidn't use it enoughMay 17 22:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Version control is my lifeMay 17 22:13
schestowitzcubezzz: he'll be called clappyMay 17 22:13
DaemonFCClippy is running the company. He put on some weight though.May 17 22:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @rysiek "The Bush people have been let off. The telecom companies got immunity. The only people Obama has prosecuted are the whistle- ...May 17 22:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @laurelrusswurm !Copyright is not for artists, it's for those who live off the artists: RIAA, Record Labels Win $105M; Artists To See ...May 17 22:14
cubezzz"Looks like you're running a major corporation. Would you like some help?"May 17 22:15
DaemonFCLooks like you can't figure out what anything is worth, want some help?May 17 22:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♺ @ml2mst Removed Mono from fresh installed Gnome on desktop, Skype and quit Facebook account. Zero tolerance! No MS Gestapoware ...May 17 22:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @Develop4AppUp: Check out the new AppUp MSI packager plus more in new program releases... 17 22:16
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DaemonFCLooks like you're trying to destroy Linux, want some help? Have you tried: Calling it a patent infringement. Signing up washed up proprietary UNIX companies to insert your APIs into it. Calling Windows "Shared Source".May 17 22:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @smokku: #GNOME Power Manager running as #Cordia #Hildon StatusMenu plugin 17 22:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoConference Don't forget to register if you want to attend the Intel App lab during #MeeGoConf on Sunday 17 22:19
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DaemonFCLooks like you're trying to clone Google, want some help? Have you tried: Plagiarizing their search results/ Partnering with a search engine nobody uses anymore anyway. Spending millions of dollars on Superbowl ads. May 17 22:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @Develop4AppUp: The guys at TGC are cooking up some cool tools, check this out 17 22:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoConference: If you can't attend, we will have live streaming & will provide video online after #MeeGoConf 17 22:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @johnsu01 #Nintendo Boss Sent Bricks in #DRM Protest: !dbdMay 17 22:23
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DaemonFCLooks like you're trying to revive Internet Explorer, want some help? Have you tried: Realizing that most of your users still have the version of Windows you're not supporting. Realizing that nobody cares if it looks like Chrome if it has no extensions. Realizing that Windows itself is about like being on vacation with a group of Germans.May 17 22:23
schestowitzok, time to do some programming, then I'll see if I can dent news at the same timeMay 17 22:24
DaemonFCschestowitz, It looks like you need some help.May 17 22:25
DaemonFCWant some help? :DMay 17 22:25
schestowitzspent 3 hours in the gym today, typing between setsMay 17 22:25
schestowitzDaemonFC: with what part?May 17 22:25
schestowitzWe always can use some help in the siteMay 17 22:25
DaemonFC:)May 17 22:25
DaemonFCyou know, stuffMay 17 22:25
_Goblinschestowitz, SIP is completely no go with Ubuntu...May 17 22:27
_Goblinschestowitz, shame because the webcam was detected flawlessly (Unlike Sabayon)May 17 22:27
DaemonFC_Goblin, that's because Ubuntu just worksMay 17 22:27
_Goblinfor everything else its very goodMay 17 22:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[piracy/@piracy] We're doing a little revolution here in Spain. We need your support. Please RT #YesWeCamp #NoNosVamos #NoLesVotesMay 17 22:28
DaemonFCit crashes real elegantly May 17 22:28
DaemonFCit starts corrupting bits of the screen to let you know to save your workMay 17 22:28
_GoblinOnce the test is over I wont be keeping....shame because I could have liked this release...... SIP is the only real hurdle so far, but its a big oneMay 17 22:28
DaemonFCvery classyMay 17 22:28
_GoblinIts been rock solid so farMay 17 22:29
_GoblinUbuntu is the only distro where Ive had a working twitter/dent client....all the rest let me down when installed.....May 17 22:29
DaemonFC_Goblin, sandstone maybe May 17 22:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Done enough work for today and #needseep. No more #WTF moments please. Had more 'n my share :-(May 17 22:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @dbs The !Fedora Project Contributor Agreement process is _slick_ (and the terms of the CA are very agreeable). Well done!May 17 22:29
_Goblinand it integrates well into the taskbar....shame the mail client is Evolution....its god awfulMay 17 22:30
_Goblinand its got less features than the Windows 7 starter editionMay 17 22:30
_Goblin(evolution that is)May 17 22:31
DaemonFCUnity you meanMay 17 22:31
DaemonFC:DMay 17 22:31
_GoblinUnity is actually very good......May 17 22:31
_Goblinfor those not used to a set up similar to my previous oneMay 17 22:31
_Goblinthe wife loves the side barMay 17 22:31
DaemonFCespecially the pancakesMay 17 22:31
DaemonFC?May 17 22:31
DaemonFC :DMay 17 22:31
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_Goblinand I love the way the icons wobble alerts Zookeeper styleMay 17 22:31
_Goblinalthough, blink and you miss them....not good for IRC alertsMay 17 22:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Unity, Unity, Unity....what on earth is the fuss about? Sure it needs adapting to, but hey, its quite good. The wife is comfortable with it.May 17 22:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Kubuntu 11.10 Sneak Peak "Muon is developed by one of the Kubuntu Developers and uses,unlike KPackageKit, the native.."May 17 22:44
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DaemonFC_Goblin, One does not simply wobble into Mordor May 17 22:46
DaemonFCB-)May 17 22:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Free Software Foundation campaigns against Nintendo 3DS #drm #NintendoMay 17 22:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @liotier: Any dataset with enough information on people to be interesting also has enough to be de-anonymized: #privacyMay 17 22:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Dual-Monitor Setups Are Ideal for Open Source Enthusiasts "In my experience,developers can definitely benefit from this"May 17 22:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] EFF Applauds New Electronic #Privacy Bill That Tells the Government: Come Back With a Warrant! 17 22:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @roningirl: Share yr ideas about the Digital Agenda & showcase yr video talents! Best videos shown at #DAA2011,16-17 June in Bxl! htt ...May 17 22:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @davidherzog: Data paradox: Government agencies collect volumes but analyze little, survey says #openmo #data #g ...May 17 22:59
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_GoblinDaemonFC, I think if you gave 11.04 a run you might change your mindMay 17 23:02
DaemonFCI didMay 17 23:03
DaemonFCand it only confirmed Unity was crapMay 17 23:03
DaemonFCand worse than I expectedMay 17 23:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] BBC writes about #Linux !! Wait, why is it always bad news there in the #msbbc taxpayers pay for it?May 17 23:04
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DaemonFC/home/ryan/Music/Disturbed/Believe/04-Believe.oggMay 17 23:06
DaemonFCfor some reason I like this crap when I've had too much coffee :PMay 17 23:07
_GoblinDaemonFC, see this is the problem....everytime a product with a change at distracting the massing away from the MS monopoly comes along, theres a plethora of reasons and people to knock it down....May 17 23:08
schestowitz 17 23:08
_GoblinDaemonFC, why doesn't everybody just say fair enough, lets all just use windows.May 17 23:08
TechrightsBot-tr@Alexandre Oliva (lxoliva)'s status on Tuesday, 17-May-11 22:00:09 UTC - @schestowitz of course, it's all your fault that Attachmate didn't want MonoMay 17 23:08
TechrightsBot-tr@Alexandre Oliva (lxoliva)'s status on Tuesday, 17-May-11 22:00:44 UTC - @schestowitz important question is whether the new Mono business somehow inherited Novell's special permissionsMay 17 23:08
DaemonFC_Goblin, If all Linux distributions were crashy unstable garbage like Ubuntu, I might say thatMay 17 23:09
DaemonFC:)May 17 23:09
schestowitzIt takes only 2 brain cells to realise mono addresses a market that hardly exists and poses too much risk. It's about ideology, not coding.May 17 23:09
schestowitz If it was about coding easily, they would not use the Microsoft menace.May 17 23:10
DaemonFCschestowitz, anyone who really wants .NET that bad is using Windows and is probably a lost cause to convince otherwise May 17 23:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @lxoliva It takes only 2 brain cells to realise mono addresses a market that hardly exists and poses too much risk.May 17 23:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @lxoliva It's about ideology, not coding. If it was about coding easily, they would not use the Microsoft menace.May 17 23:11
_GoblinDaemonFC, but then I havent found 11.04 crashy or unstable, so that either makes me very lucky (in which case Ive been very lucky with all Ubuntu vers since 8.04) or I'm a liar.May 17 23:12
schestowitzDaemonFC exaggeratesMay 17 23:13
DaemonFCyou're very lucky or a liar May 17 23:13
schestowitznoMay 17 23:13
DaemonFCI had it garble the screenMay 17 23:13
schestowitzDaemonFC: what's your sample set?May 17 23:13
schestowitzOne box?May 17 23:13
DaemonFCand barely leave me enough time to log outMay 17 23:13
DaemonFCbefore it frozeMay 17 23:13
_Goblinso because you had difficulty Ubuntu is a failure for everyone?May 17 23:13
DaemonFCit would start with the top barMay 17 23:13
schestowitzyesMay 17 23:13
schestowitzhe's thickMay 17 23:13
DaemonFCit would become unreadable May 17 23:13
_GoblinI had issues with Vista and 7, are they complete failures too?May 17 23:13
DaemonFCsoftware that bad can't possibly work well for most peopleMay 17 23:14
DaemonFCas evidenced by all the people with similar experiencesMay 17 23:14
schestowitz!google vista 7 reality logMay 17 23:14
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TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Windows Mobile Reality Log - Techrights | 17 23:14
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Microsoft Reality Log - Techrights | 17 23:14
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Team Ratcliffe - McMillin Realty - Chula Vista - Chula Vista, CA | 17 23:14
_GoblinInfact on every os ive used Ive had issues....why don't we just dump computers all together, they obviously dont work.May 17 23:14
DaemonFCthere's a difference between crashing and doing little but crashingMay 17 23:14
DaemonFC:)May 17 23:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Finally got Bugzilla to send emails as well. Yay! Now off to bed....May 17 23:14
schestowitzfrankly though, many people do complain about unityMay 17 23:14
schestowitzI read many reviewsMay 17 23:15
schestowitzAnd some people whom I know as ubuntu-sympathetic don't like unity. Some do like it.May 17 23:15
_GoblinIts a big departure from the way I am used to working......May 17 23:15
_Goblinmaybe the critisism stems from that.May 17 23:15
schestowitzIf Ubuntu stayed with gnome upstream, they would be less backlash for sureMay 17 23:15
schestowitz_Goblin: do it with ubuntuMay 17 23:15
schestowitz_Goblin: do it like jono ;-)May 17 23:16
schestowitzHe posted some unity video IIRCMay 17 23:16
_GoblinThe wife likes Unity.....for her its spot onMay 17 23:16
schestowitzcool!May 17 23:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "Whereas wiretap surveillance reqs human operators, data mining automated, meaning entire country can be watched"~ #1984May 17 23:16
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schestowitzYou should blog itMay 17 23:16
_GoblinI am.May 17 23:16
_Goblin:)May 17 23:16
schestowitz\0/May 17 23:16
_Goblinshame about SIP....theres something funny going on with 11.04 and it taking over port 5060....May 17 23:17
_Goblinits locked it down.....can't work out whyMay 17 23:17
_Goblinhardware wise though you can tell its Ubuntu.....everything works without fiddling.May 17 23:18
DaemonFCyour wife doesn't use XChat and fight and fumble with Unity's counter-intuitive GUI May 17 23:18
DaemonFCI'm guessingMay 17 23:18
DaemonFC:DMay 17 23:18
_Goblinits not that counter productive and I can see where Canonical is going with Unity....May 17 23:19
DaemonFCWindows 95 is an improvement over UnityMay 17 23:19
_GoblinI think they are appealing to the mobile phone generation who want to use a desktop and trying to keep the mainstream Linux user happy too.May 17 23:19
MinceR_Goblin: to cupertino?May 17 23:19
_Goblinits got a very "mobilly" feel to it.....May 17 23:19
DaemonFCI want to use my real computer with huge screen as a real computer with a huge screenMay 17 23:19
DaemonFCKDE can do itMay 17 23:20
DaemonFCGNOME 3 and Unity are retarded and evilMay 17 23:20
DaemonFCand stupidMay 17 23:20
DaemonFC:)May 17 23:20
ThistleWebDaemonFC: then don't use themMay 17 23:20
ThistleWebthey're not for you, that's fineMay 17 23:20
_GoblinI'd say different......evil is pushing it, stupid is your opinion and retarded is not applicable until Ubuntu reaches sentience.May 17 23:20
DaemonFCthat kind of a design methodology says if you have a triple digit IQ, go use something elseMay 17 23:20
DaemonFCOKMay 17 23:20
DaemonFCI don't want your crappy Fisher Price desktopMay 17 23:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #attachmate already had #mono users, traffic, trademarks, etc. and it decided, "meh. It's not good. Let's throw it." How telling. #dotnotMay 17 23:21
DaemonFCI find their design to be condescending to the userMay 17 23:21
_GoblinDaemonFC, of course the counter to that would be a tripple digit IQ might want to get on with other things rather than worry about their desktop.May 17 23:21
DaemonFCit's like they expect that most users really are dumbMay 17 23:21
DaemonFCand confused by featuresMay 17 23:22
DaemonFCthey're probably right, but still...May 17 23:22
_Goblinand thats been the issue with computers.May 17 23:22
_Goblinany osMay 17 23:22
DaemonFCI think it's more like, if you can't be good, then look differentMay 17 23:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] I have seen #attachmate described as a "liquidator", just like #Elliot , which communicated w/ Attachmate months before Elliot's bid! #novlMay 17 23:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #mono was liquidated for $0 which is more than this liability is worth. There ought to be more to this story.May 17 23:24
schestowitz 17 23:25
TechrightsBot-tr@suprfluo: @schestowitz That piece is tuned for max negative effect + inaccurate (auth token != login), and is followed by a Bill Gates story.May 17 23:25
schestowitzTypical. It is hard to find Microsoft criticism in the BBC, just praise and excuses.May 17 23:25
_GoblinDaemonFC, I think the 1000 Ubuntu derivatives would disagree.May 17 23:26
DaemonFCI don't know why a person would buy a $1,000 PC to use it as a really big tabletMay 17 23:26
DaemonFCyeah, 90% of Ubuntu's problems are their damned desktopMay 17 23:26
DaemonFCif you fork it and fix it, of course it worksMay 17 23:27
_GoblinDaemonFC, really? Ive deployed alot of Ubuntu.....never had an issue....May 17 23:27
MinceRgnMay 17 23:28
_GoblinDaemonFC, #!CBL has been returned to me for something else, as has several other distros...Ive had 3 Ubuntu returns and they were due to wanting to run Windows binaries....not Ubuntu issues.May 17 23:28
DaemonFCtheir work is substandard, they haven't done a single thing to make Linux more usefulMay 17 23:28
DaemonFCthey should all go kill themselvesMay 17 23:28
ThistleWebDaemonFC will find any reason to troll about ubuntu, no matter what it isMay 17 23:28
DaemonFCthere, my opinion, the endMay 17 23:28
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ThistleWebapparently he'd changedMay 17 23:28
ThistleWebseems notMay 17 23:28
_GoblinDaemonFC, So they should give up on making ubuntu and maybe come and rant in an IRC room?  That would be better?May 17 23:29
DaemonFCit would be an improvementMay 17 23:29
DaemonFCUbuntu would no longer exist :DMay 17 23:29
_GoblinDaemonFC, when considering who to take more stock in, I look at the Canonical team and users the world over using Ubuntu, then I look at you complaining in #techrights......I think I know where my money on credibility would go.May 17 23:29
DaemonFCyeah, people are dumb, some of them eat raw fish eggsMay 17 23:30
_Goblinand if Ubuntu was so bad, was does it have any users at all?May 17 23:30
DaemonFCa few throw themselves off the golden gate bridgeMay 17 23:30
DaemonFCwhy does Windows have hundreds of users for every Ubuntu user?May 17 23:31
DaemonFCit must be greatMay 17 23:31
DaemonFCgo use thatMay 17 23:31
_GoblindifferentMay 17 23:31
_GoblinOEMMay 17 23:31
_Goblinand no choice (or little) at time of purchaseMay 17 23:31
_Goblinpeople have to proactively want to install Ubuntu...its forced on them with WindowsMay 17 23:31
_Goblinwhen you see how many Ubuntu users there are and consider that, then the Canonical team are not doing bad at all.May 17 23:32
DaemonFCright, ok, if they want to put Windows on their system, they paid for the system, you don't have to agree with them, it's their property May 17 23:32
DaemonFCsame with anything reallyMay 17 23:32
DaemonFCI'm just saying I think this trend towards dumbing things down is disturbingMay 17 23:32
_Goblinyep...but 9/10 windows is pre-loaded....its alot easier to get people to use your OS if its included at purchase.May 17 23:33
DaemonFCthere's only one major desktop that doesn't do thatMay 17 23:33
DaemonFCthat's KDEMay 17 23:33
_GoblinDaemonFC, the dumbing down has been happening ever since the A500May 17 23:33
DaemonFCok, people have to choose to buy a MacMay 17 23:33
DaemonFCthere's dozens of Mac users to every Ubuntu userMay 17 23:33
_Goblinyep they doMay 17 23:33
_Goblinand Apple has managed the previously impossible....May 17 23:33
_Goblinturning the Geeky into the fashionableMay 17 23:33
_Goblin(rightly or wrongly)May 17 23:34
_GoblinDaemonFC, if you are against dumbing down, then I assume you are an ASM coder?May 17 23:34
DaemonFCI don't see why a computer should be fashionable if it doesn't work wellMay 17 23:34
DaemonFCbut again, maybe I'm missing somethingMay 17 23:35
_Goblinneither do I, but people buy macs and are happyMay 17 23:35
_Goblinwho are we to say otherwiseMay 17 23:35
_Goblinand I ask again....Are you an ASM coder?May 17 23:35
DaemonFCnopeMay 17 23:35
_Goblinwhats your tipple then?May 17 23:35
_GoblinC#?May 17 23:35
_GoblinRuby?May 17 23:36
_GoblinAMOSMay 17 23:36
_Goblin(thats for cubez) ;)May 17 23:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] US hits credit limit "$14.3 trillion limit on federal borrowing .. risk a financial panic or another recession."May 17 23:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] AP says "another recession", as if the recession from 2008 is magically over. When did the public get the memo? #bailout #fraud #bank #theftMay 17 23:36
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DaemonFCcubezzz claims to use Fedora 1 for some reasonMay 17 23:36
schestowitz_Goblin: we will need to verify SIP recording works for us. I've been leaving RMS waiting for too long.May 17 23:36
_GoblinI can tell you SIP here.May 17 23:37
_Goblinnot until I finish my run with 11.04May 17 23:37
schestowitzwhich application/s?May 17 23:37
_GoblinEkiga, LinphoneMay 17 23:37
_Goblinand another I can't remember....May 17 23:38
schestowitzI got recording to work with a friendMay 17 23:38
schestowitzBut I need to test with you as wellMay 17 23:38
schestowitzand do a show with it, hopefully, to verify there is none of that minute limitMay 17 23:38
DaemonFCschestowitz, The Republicans are just rehashing a stunt they pulled on ClintonMay 17 23:39
DaemonFCback in '94May 17 23:39
_GoblinIt will have to wait (with SIP) until I can either work out why the port keeps getting locked down or I install something else.May 17 23:39
DaemonFCthe Federal government had to shut down for a few days so they could beat some concessions out of himMay 17 23:39
DaemonFCpeople send these clowns to office to pull stunts like this that really don't help anyone except the agenda of some special interest groupsMay 17 23:40
schestowitzYAY!May 17 23:40
schestowitzMy program starts plotting ROC OKMay 17 23:40
schestowitz_Goblin: npMay 17 23:41
DaemonFCthey'll bitch about it back and forth, they might even let some old farts miss their social security check for a week to get them all riled upMay 17 23:41
schestowitzthanks for doing two episodes this weekendMay 17 23:41
DaemonFCand then they'll extract concessions after embarrassing the presidentMay 17 23:41
schestowitzThistleWeb and Rusty tooMay 17 23:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Future female engineers come together in the Technovation Challenge • by A Googler 17 23:41
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schestowitz_Goblin: my colleagues and mates start listeningMay 17 23:41
ThistleWeb?May 17 23:41
schestowitzthey are not all into tech, so what they hear on the show (Linux, copyrights) becomes what they view as normalMay 17 23:42
schestowitzThistleWeb: thanks for being on the show I meantMay 17 23:42
ThistleWebahhMay 17 23:42
schestowitzwe did more than usualMay 17 23:42
schestowitz4000+ requests for oggsMay 17 23:42
schestowitzIn 2 daysMay 17 23:42
schestowitzwhich is unusualMay 17 23:43
schestowitz90% of reqs are for oggMay 17 23:43
schestowitzthe non-caches onesMay 17 23:44
schestowitz10% for mp3May 17 23:44
_Goblindid you see my earlier about the devs from GCT?May 17 23:44
schestowitz*cachedMay 17 23:44
ThistleWebyepMay 17 23:44
schestowitzyes, and I respondedMay 17 23:44
schestowitzThat's greatMay 17 23:44
schestowitzWe can do exclusive coveragesMay 17 23:44
_GoblinI got the mail today.....only had time for a quick replyMay 17 23:44
schestowitzand then become references to themMay 17 23:44
DaemonFCHow many requested cassette tapes?May 17 23:44
ThistleWeb_Goblin: so you're having no luck with sip on the buntu's too huhMay 17 23:44
DaemonFC:DMay 17 23:44
schestowitzThistleWeb: it's young in the networkMay 17 23:45
schestowitzBut if we can get more people in the ntwork, devs will improve itMay 17 23:45
schestowitzI'm getting family to join SIP more and more... 8 people in my SIP list nowMay 17 23:45
_GoblinThistleWeb, none whatsoeverMay 17 23:47
_Goblinfor some reason its locking down any port I try to useMay 17 23:47
_Goblinnot sure the problem.May 17 23:47
ThistleWebI even tried allowing the ports with gufw, still nuttinMay 17 23:47
_GoblinI'm going to have a fiddle.....if SIP was a goer I would have kept natty on here longerMay 17 23:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Spurned By Yahoo!, Hacker Puts Account-Stealing Worm Up For Sale • by Andy Greenberg 17 23:49
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_GoblinI think the biggest thing for me to get my head around is that when an app is maximised your menu/minimise/maximise et al are in the task bar.....I have a big issue getting used to that.May 17 23:50
_Goblinand also when an app is running, its pull down menu is put to the taskbar.......hard to get used to that too.May 17 23:51
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_GoblinIf I was to agree with DaemonFC , I'd say thats the one thing I find counter productive....not good if like me you have several apps open on the desktop then giving focus to the relevant app and then moving to the taskbar to get to the menu....can be a pain and involve excess mouse movement.May 17 23:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @aurele: Free Software Foundation has the Software Freedom Activism Guide #lp #FSF #Hacktivism #ftkMay 17 23:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] submitted a Slashdot story about Startup Weekend Warsaw: #swwawMay 17 23:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] IRONY: "And Watergate... taught him “that no one is above the law.” ...brings new meaning to "And justice for all."May 17 23:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @lxoliva ♻ @aurele: Free Software Foundation has the Software Freedom Activism Guide #lp #FSF #Hacktivism #ftkMay 17 23:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] An evening with Unity - Yes. Its good. No - It doesn't deserve the harsh words by some. IMOMay 17 23:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Who Gets to Decide How the Cloud Works? • by Richard Adhikari 17 23:59
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