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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Or, be absorbed into Libre Office... ;-DJun 02 00:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joindiaspora/@joindiaspora] Diaspora's first year, with graphs! http://bit.ly/jzUisc #graphsJun 02 00:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Being overrun by pigs...Jun 02 00:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @fabsh I face copyright issues as a creator from a family of creators, in art, music, words and code and as a member of culture & humanityJun 02 00:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] The #TorChallenge has added its 100th relay to the Tor network! Congrats to dotIS!Jun 02 00:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @fabsh My reality is plenty real, thanks. Perhaps your narrow view provides your feeling of entitlement to dictate the future of !copyrightJun 02 00:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @fabsh you indicated your interest in copyright issues was based on the fact you "produce audio and am interested in software"Jun 02 00:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @fabsh I am looking for answers; you are busy telling me what I may ask and dismissing any views contrary to your own in a knee-jerk fashionJun 02 00:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @fabsh Perhaps you should listen and consider what others say sometimes; it is amazing how much there is to learn.Jun 02 00:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @lstench @mohanpram according to this you should be boycotting Sony http://www.defectivebydesign.org/apology-not-accepted-sony-boycot ...Jun 02 00:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Ada Initiative "Seed 100" donation campaign opens http://lwn.net/Articles/445718/rssJun 02 00:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Update: Spread Firefox is taking a breather http://chickswhoclick.wordpress.com/2011/06/01/update-spread-firefox-is-taking-a-breather/Jun 02 00:58
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Update:  Spread Firefox is taking a breather « Chicks Who Click .::. Size~: 26.7 KBJun 02 00:58
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twitterThere's an interesting story evolving about Microsoft and ARM.Jun 02 01:07
twitterPogson blogged about it today and now comes the exclusion of Taiwanese companies.Jun 02 01:08
twitter->  Microsoft has invited chip vendors, including Intel, AMD, Nvidia, Texas Instruments and Qualcomm, as well as a few PC vendors to participate in the program. However, Taiwan-based vendors Acer, Asustek Computer and HTC are locked out, arousing considerable controversy in Taiwan. Microsoft may hope to set rules on its own and the invitation to chip vendors is to save possible trouble, Wang said. But from the point of view of Taiwan-baseJun 02 01:08
twitterfrom http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20110531PD213.htmlJun 02 01:08
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft should set rules from viewpoint of ecosystem, says Acer chairman .::. Size~: 74.31 KBJun 02 01:08
twittervia http://mrpogson.com/2011/05/31/microsoft-squeaks-no-one-listens/Jun 02 01:08
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Squeaks. No One Listens. at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 66.02 KBJun 02 01:08
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/#!/tachyondecay/status/52162987741560832Jun 02 01:09
TechrightsBot-tr@tachyondecay: Nice, Google lets you know when it's removed search results owing to a DMCA notice and links to it on @ChillingEffects!Jun 02 01:09
twitterha, they did that kind of thing in China tooJun 02 01:10
schestowitzWe are CHinaJun 02 01:10
schestowitzChina is usJun 02 01:10
twitterowned by China ... meet your new bossJun 02 01:12
twitterhe's not the same as your old bossJun 02 01:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Way too late. Made some good progress on !LO 210, now I'm off to bed...Jun 02 01:21
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GoForbes28schestowitz: I just of the perfect parody term to describe the Microsoft patent deals!Jun 02 01:23
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GoForbes28*thought ofJun 02 01:24
GoForbes28will tell you laterJun 02 01:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Oh yeah... the reason I popped in was to announce: "Inconstant Moon" serialization segment #4 is online :) http://ur1.ca/4bhks !Jun 02 01:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I learned the data backup lesson on computers the hard way and unfortunately had to relearn the lesson for phones.Jun 02 01:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Hmm, I'm hearing some !disturbing rumors of #tornado warnings and state of emergency for #MassachusettsJun 02 01:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @speeddefrost @fabsh The problem with "legal frameworks" is that they don't even equally protect people anymore. They're only there f ...Jun 02 01:41
schestowitzGoForbes28: yoJun 02 01:45
schestowitzI'm back, what's the deal?Jun 02 01:46
schestowitzYou needn't PM me BTWJun 02 01:46
schestowitzIt's just leads to clutter on my desktopJun 02 01:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Pressure is Mounting for All Software Patents to be Tossed Out, Even in the United States http://is.gd/Uv8bQR #swpats #eu #uspto #epoJun 02 01:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Pressure is Mounting for All Software Patents to be Tossed Out, Even in the United States http://is.gd/Uv8bQR #patent #monopoly #patenttrollJun 02 01:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @Crosbie: @fabsh 'control my code' => 'control what other people do with my published work' => unnatural power => privilege.Jun 02 01:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @bkuhn @laurelrusswurm,If you show me a lobbying org that's working on © abolition w/ a solution that protects software freedom, I'll ...Jun 02 01:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @haris !shared Dylan: What's Yours Is Mine, And What's Mine Is Mine, Too http://b1t.it/lICJun 02 01:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Dylan: What's Yours Is Mine, And What's Mine Is Mine, Too | Techdirt .::. Size~: 71.84 KBJun 02 01:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] FUD of the Day http://is.gd/K42ReX always such provocative insinuationsJun 02 01:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Four tweaks to bring back missing functionality in #GNOME 3.0 http://is.gd/5cMXln #gnu #linuxJun 02 01:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Four tweaks to bring back missing functionality in GNOME 3.0 .::. Size~: 39.22 KBJun 02 01:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Statement about Oracle’s move to donate OpenOffice.org assets to the Apache Foundation http://is.gd/JXLEYY #ooo #libreoffice #odf #ibmJun 02 01:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Severe thunderstorm warnings in #Boston and elsewhere in #Massachusetts #feelslikerichmondindiana !disturbingJun 02 01:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Statement about Oracle’s move to donate OpenOffice.org assets to the Apache Foundation « The Document Foundation Blog .::. Size~: 61.65 KBJun 02 01:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Skype Out - Pidgin In http://is.gd/1CF36b 'Tis the season to dump #Microsoft #skypeJun 02 02:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @crosbie @fabsh 'control my code' => 'control what other people do with my published work' => unnatural power => privilege.Jun 02 02:01
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Skype Out - Pidgin In | Linux Journal .::. Size~: 60.78 KBJun 02 02:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Review of #Xubuntu 11.04 http://is.gd/P1XvU6 "Rating: 4/5" #xfce #ubuntu #gnu #linuxJun 02 02:06
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sebsebsebschestowitz: Got a working headset now, however it's a USB headset, so may have to use WIndows for itJun 02 02:11
sebsebsebschestowitz: Ubuntu 11.04 well no luck here,  not tried Mandriva 2010.2 on other computer with it yetJun 02 02:12
sebsebseba lap top with XP though,  after changing a setting in XP, well yep works there :)Jun 02 02:12
sebsebseb,but yeah it's great can record voice :)Jun 02 02:12
DaemonFCsebsebseb, Most of those actually work on Linux but you may need to configure Pulseaudio for itJun 02 02:13
DaemonFCI couldn't get mine to work without Pulseaudio installed and configured Jun 02 02:13
sebsebsebDaemonFC: yeah exactly, it can probably work on Linux as well, just needs  some configuringJun 02 02:14
sebsebsebDaemonFC: had to buy a new ethernet cable earlier as well, and get the socket sorted outJun 02 02:14
sebsebsebsince problems with thatJun 02 02:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Wow, IBM really hates The Document Foundation - read the comments: http://www.robweir.com/blog/2011/06/apache-openoffice.htmlJun 02 02:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: An Invitation to Apache OpenOffice .::. Size~: 65.87 KBJun 02 02:14
sebsebsebDaemonFC: been shopping with my brothersJun 02 02:15
sebsebsebspent a lot of money as wellJun 02 02:15
sebsebsebI mean in the day I wentJun 02 02:15
sebsebsebDVD's, clothes,  a game for my little brotherJun 02 02:15
sebsebsebnew PS3 game so pretty expensiveJun 02 02:15
DaemonFCthe Phony DRMstation 3Jun 02 02:18
DaemonFCnow without LUNIXJun 02 02:18
DaemonFC:PJun 02 02:18
sebsebsebDaemonFC: PS3 game for my little brotherJun 02 02:20
sebsebsebhis birthday is soonJun 02 02:20
DaemonFCyep, all good drug dealers know how to market to kidsJun 02 02:20
sebsebsebDaemonFC: ,but he was there as well, so he knew what was boughtJun 02 02:20
DaemonFCget the Sony and Microsoft crap into the house while they're youngJun 02 02:20
DaemonFC:)Jun 02 02:20
sebsebseband thatJun 02 02:20
sebsebseb,but most expensive presant I have  bought anyoneJun 02 02:21
DaemonFCthen DRM is just a fact of life Jun 02 02:21
sebsebseband yeah I know what you meanJun 02 02:21
sebsebseband why so expensive,  and the cheaper newer games only about £2 lessJun 02 02:21
sebsebsebanyway why so expensive? simpleJun 02 02:21
sebsebseb,because kids wiill beg their parants and so on to buy the games for themJun 02 02:21
DaemonFCthere's a lot of reasons why video games are really expensive. Artificial scarcity, plus passing along costs of licensing crap like MP3 that they don't need.Jun 02 02:22
DaemonFCThen the retailer takes a cut.Jun 02 02:22
sebsebsebDaemonFC: he's going to be 10 soon, and I look forward to the day, where I can hopefuly explain to him about software freedom and such,  and explain why that's one reason why it's a good idea to use Linux most of the time instead of WindowsJun 02 02:22
sebsebsebI mean at the moemnt he doesn't understand, and I can't explain to him or try to, without him switching off or not understanding and all that you know.  I mean earlier he was basically saying when I said like well might have to use the headset with Windows, and he's like what's wrong with Windows anyway?Jun 02 02:23
DaemonFCthe actual disc and packaging for a video game costs about $2 maybeJun 02 02:23
sebsebsebwell yeahJun 02 02:23
DaemonFCthe rest of that $58 is profit for various peopleJun 02 02:23
DaemonFCand then there's state sales taxJun 02 02:23
DaemonFCwhich here is 7%Jun 02 02:23
sebsebsebstate sales tax? well I am from UK, but we got VATJun 02 02:24
sebsebsebValue Added TaxJun 02 02:24
sebsebsebwhich is part of the price for that kind of stuffJun 02 02:24
DaemonFCwell, hehJun 02 02:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] Congrats to the !PiTiVi team on 0.14 "No longer kills kittens" with effects from !GStreamer and !Kdenlive and more! http://redd.it/hpjf2Jun 02 02:24
sebsebsebalso yeah PSP3 pftJun 02 02:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: PiTiVi 0.14 "No longer kills kittens" released with effects from GStreamer and Kdenlive and more! via reddit.com .::. Size~: 1.73 KBJun 02 02:24
sebsebsebseems Sony are in a right mess now anywayJun 02 02:25
DaemonFCfirst the feds take tax out of your paycheck, then they hit you again for Social Security and FICA (which is Medicare, free health insurance for old people)Jun 02 02:25
DaemonFCthen the state hits you upJun 02 02:25
sebsebsebI mean I read it came back online, and then another attackJun 02 02:25
DaemonFCthen the county you live inJun 02 02:25
DaemonFCthen you pay sales tax on whatever you buy with whatever you have leftJun 02 02:25
enthymemeschestowitz: thanks again for the link. Quittin' time for me!Jun 02 02:26
DaemonFCbasically every time you get paid they take a hue chunk out of your check and use it to pay old people to sit at home on their ass and get free health care that you're also paying forJun 02 02:26
DaemonFC:)Jun 02 02:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] waitin' for the partaybus to leave while @huertanix reads IEEE spectrum. #heatsyncstatus #imcominghomeeveryoneJun 02 02:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @stav Marilyn Monroe was born 85 years ago !onthisdateJun 02 02:26
DaemonFCthen the old people elect the politicians that promise to take more from you to give to themJun 02 02:26
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DaemonFCso every few years, the tax rate goes upJun 02 02:27
sebsebsebDaemonFC: exactly though with these gamesJun 02 02:27
sebsebsebmost of it is profit for various people or companiesJun 02 02:27
DaemonFCor the stateJun 02 02:27
sebsebsebthe packaging and disc hardly costs anything to make as you sayJun 02 02:27
DaemonFCyou can get around state sales tax by buying from an out of state companyJun 02 02:27
sebsebseband the software itself, well it's propritary software, they make it onceJun 02 02:27
DaemonFClegally you're required to declare thatJun 02 02:27
sebsebseband keep on selling the same thingJun 02 02:27
DaemonFCI don'tJun 02 02:27
DaemonFCthey get enough of my damned money alreadyJun 02 02:27
DaemonFC:)Jun 02 02:28
sebsebseband you just copy software to sell again, you knowJun 02 02:28
sebsebsebso yeah it's mainly profitJun 02 02:28
sebsebseband they sell millions of the game or whatever, so yep a lot of profitJun 02 02:28
sebsebsebDaemonFC: ,but yeah exactly, lock kids in to this kind of stuff when youngJun 02 02:28
sebsebsebget them locked in when young, and they may be for lifeJun 02 02:29
sebsebsebthat's to game consoles, mobile phones,  even social networking sitesJun 02 02:29
sebsebseband of course the usual, WIndows, Microsoft OfficeJun 02 02:29
sebsebsebto some extent even fast food places, like Macdonals or Burger King or KFC, have it once, and likely to want to go there again another time, for moreJun 02 02:29
DaemonFCthere's so many ways for the government to abuse cell phones to spy on you withJun 02 02:29
DaemonFCthey love themJun 02 02:29
DaemonFCwell, fast food and cigarettes kind of bring the problem of socialized healthcare front and centerJun 02 02:30
DaemonFCthe sickest people are getting the most out of such a systemJun 02 02:31
DaemonFCand a lot of the reasons for people being sick are self-inflicted Jun 02 02:31
sebsebsebwell yeah to much of that, not healthey at all by farJun 02 02:31
sebsebseb,but a few times a year,  not that bad for most of us really I guessJun 02 02:32
DaemonFCa lot of the fast food companies in the US are trying to spin doctor their imagesJun 02 02:32
DaemonFCwho the hell goes to McDonalds for a salad and a fruit parfait?Jun 02 02:32
DaemonFC:)Jun 02 02:32
sebsebsebDaemonFC: well yeah you don't go there for healthey foodJun 02 02:33
abeNd-orgbesides, it is the dressing that gets youJun 02 02:35
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sebsebsebabeNd-org: it's the milkshakes that get meJun 02 02:36
abeNd-orgmmmJun 02 02:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] It's too bad this isn't the NFL so the #Bruins could decline the penalties -- they might actually score.Jun 02 02:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @vanden ♻ @millette: The largest Canadian #copyright class action suit has been settled for $50 million. http://ur1.ca/4bqqhJun 02 02:36
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Statut de Robin Millette (millette) sur Wednesday, 01-Jun-11 20:24:58 EDT - Robin Millette .::. Size~: 10.58 KBJun 02 02:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Funny, the how the worst !copyright infringers don't go to jail and commit suicide.Jun 02 02:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] Helluva storm, is this the Lightning's revenge?Jun 02 02:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] "next time you meet a !Free Software lawyer, please - shake their hand" http://people.gnome.org/~michael/blog/2011-06-01.html #MeeksJun 02 02:53
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Stuff Michael Meeks is doing .::. Size~: 12.36 KBJun 02 02:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @noyesk: Oracle To Give OpenOffice.org To Apache Incubator http://bit.ly/mT4tne Wow.Jun 02 02:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Oracle To Give OpenOffice.org To Apache Incubator - Slashdot .::. Size~: 134.16 KBJun 02 02:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @glynmoody: Ditching Copyleft to Compete with a Fork? http://bit.ly/lSTF0t analysis of licensing implications OpenOffice move to apacheJun 02 02:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ditching Copyleft to Compete with a Fork? - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) .::. Size~: 25.69 KBJun 02 02:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @wayneborean Yes. Tragically lost far too young.Jun 02 03:11
DaemonFCit's been nothing but sour grapes from OOo latelyJun 02 03:14
DaemonFCtheir office suite sucked, the reasons were largely political and/or due to the copyright assignment requirement, and it failedJun 02 03:15
DaemonFCnow they're throwing all of the code out there as a free for all so that all the vultures like IBM and Softmaker can just simply rip it off in total and give nothing back (or anyone else that didn't already have a GPL exception from SCOracle)Jun 02 03:16
DaemonFCMost Linux distributions that were shipping OOo really didn't ship OOo, it was really Go-OO which had most of the pile of patches that went into LibreOffice, and that's why they worked so wellJun 02 03:17
DaemonFCone of the things I think Oracle is afraid of is LibreOffice becoming faster and less dependent on Java, which is already mostly irrelevant on a desktopJun 02 03:20
DaemonFCOOo is a trojan horse to get Java onto your system, and Java-based malware on Windows at least is responsible for quite a lot of a pie chart Jun 02 03:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] ♺ @lessig From the wildly-cool-news dept: YouTube now gives users ability to CC license vids. http://t.co/C2S5QSx !CC !LP !FreeCulture !sfcJun 02 03:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle: YouTube Now Lets You License Videos Under Creative Commons (Remixers, Rejoice) .::. Size~: 52.15 KBJun 02 03:23
DaemonFCschestowitz, http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/06/microsoft-joins-pre-emptive-patent-protection-program.arsJun 02 03:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft joins pre-emptive patent protection program .::. Size~: 31.98 KBJun 02 03:27
DaemonFChehJun 02 03:27
twittertell me about Solaris malware that uses java and I might think there's a problem that's not Windows or Microsoft's perverted java. (07:25:08 PM) DaemonFC: OOo is a trojan horse to get Java onto your system, and Java-based malware on Windows at least is responsible for quite a lot of a pie chart Jun 02 03:31
DaemonFCtwitter, The problem is Oracle's Java VMJun 02 03:31
DaemonFCMicrosoft doesn't have oneJun 02 03:31
twitterMicrosoft lost an anti-trust case over java manipulation. Jun 02 03:33
twitterthe idiots still hate java and thwart it on WindowsJun 02 03:33
twitterthey also still FUD it, which mostly goes to show that the company is still lost in some kind of mid 90s war of conquestJun 02 03:34
twitterAs most of the world shifts off desktops to Android, which uses java extensively, the microtards are busy recycling java fud.  Jun 02 03:35
twitteronly idiots use their replacement, C# and notNETJun 02 03:36
twitterI have to agree with Khun, " relicensing part of the codebase out from under LibreOffice may actually be the most insidious attack Oracle and IBM could make on the project.  Unilateral relicense is the single most destabilizing action you can take against a Free Software community, particularly if the relicense comes from wholly outside the community"Jun 02 03:43
twitterbad mojoJun 02 03:43
twitterjust the same, Oracle and Sun had already given themselves the ability to make non free garbage for Open Office.Jun 02 03:45
twitterthe best thing Libre Office can do is go gpl3Jun 02 03:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] YouTube offering Creative Commons licensing option (attribution only): http://ur1.ca/4brtgJun 02 03:53
TechrightsBot-trTitle: YouTube Now Lets You License Videos Under Creative Commons (Remixers, Rejoice) .::. Size~: 51.96 KBJun 02 03:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @dpic ♺ @lessig From the wildly-cool-news dept: YouTube now gives users ability to CC license vids. http://t.co/C2S5QSx !CC !LP !Free ...Jun 02 03:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: YouTube Now Lets You License Videos Under Creative Commons (Remixers, Rejoice) .::. Size~: 51.96 KBJun 02 03:59
DaemonFCLibreOffice can't go GPL 3Jun 02 04:07
DaemonFCthey have the same issue Linux does where they couldn't relicense it if they wanted toJun 02 04:08
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DaemonFCanyone know where I could get a Miro 4 RPM?Jun 02 04:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] http://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/legal/2011-June/001654.html !AGPL #iText !disturbingJun 02 04:28
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [Fedora-legal-list] itext AGPL licensing (round 2) .::. Size~: 3.97 KBJun 02 04:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] summary of the backlash against #Unity & #GnomeShell - "there's no place like Gnome"Jun 02 04:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @fontana isn't any ©'d material copied from iText to the PDF it outputs?Jun 02 04:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] hey, why doesn't Apache welcome !LibreOffice developers by offering to maintain Oracle code under its original license?Jun 02 04:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] /me wonders how many followers #Jesus would get if he came back, and joined #TwitterJun 02 05:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] A conversation with Linus at LinuxCon Japan http://lwn.net/Articles/445687/rssJun 02 05:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Worthwhile 1hr20m video of James Gosling talking about Apple, Apache, Google, Oracle etc - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ei-rbULWoAJun 02 05:43
TechrightsBot-trTitle: YouTube         - ‪James Gosling on Apple, Apache, Google, Oracle and the Future of Java‬‏ .::. Size~: 118.37 KBJun 02 05:43
DaemonFCThistleWeb, He could feed them all with a loaf of bread and a fail whaleJun 02 05:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Glad to see a positive note from The Document Foundation about OO.o being donated to ASF - http://ur1.ca/4bnocJun 02 05:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Statement about Oracle’s move to donate OpenOffice.org assets to the Apache Foundation « The Document Foundation Blog .::. Size~: 65.46 KBJun 02 05:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Yes, yes, yes. I'm really excited about Lawyers in Hell/ I've been sending updates to @bsookman regularly. I know Janet Morris, the editor.Jun 02 05:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @laurelrusswurm: Funny, the how the worst !copyright infringers don't go to jail and commit suicide.Jun 02 05:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] U.S. #P2P Lawsuit Shows Signs of a ‘Pirate Honeypot’ http://is.gd/kh3HKKJun 02 05:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @lxoliva I suppose that might change the answer, but the discussion on debian-legal didn't lead me to believe this is so.Jun 02 05:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Talking About Why The PROTECT IP Act Is Bad News... http://is.gd/FWZvZ9Jun 02 06:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #MedicalJustice Caught Posting Happy Reviews Of Doctors; Claims It's Just Helping Patients http://is.gd/zFIt9WJun 02 06:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] guess it's safe to assume every doctor who hires #MedicalJustice is incompetent, someone to avoid like the plagueJun 02 06:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Detailed response on #iText issue by me on !fedora -legal-list: http://ur1.ca/4bsmu !AGPL !GPLJun 02 06:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [Fedora-legal-list] itext AGPL licensing (round 2) .::. Size~: 11 KBJun 02 06:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Another Artificial Market Created Thanks To Copyright: Download Insurance? http://is.gd/9Y8MyE can only exist with consumer hostile #DRMJun 02 06:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Why PROTECT IP Breaks The Internet http://is.gd/IVcbRMJun 02 06:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Work on a Free Software GPRS/EDGE stack! http://is.gd/4kWyXm #mobile #telephony #gnu #linux #softwareJun 02 06:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Work on a free software GPRS/EDGE stack! — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software .::. Size~: 28.48 KBJun 02 06:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Microsoft Skype http://is.gd/mq2L9P #microsoft #skype #voip #softwareJun 02 06:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Skype — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software .::. Size~: 28.3 KBJun 02 06:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ♺ @iurie: Încă o distribuție complet liberă: #Parabola GNU/Linux http://ur1.ca/4bpd5 #ceata #fiiliber #gnu #linux #fsfJun 02 06:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Încă o distribuție complet liberă: Parabola GNU/Linux! | Fii liber! Folosește programe libere! .::. Size~: 27.65 KBJun 02 06:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Samba case hearing: How Microsoft’s gamble backfired http://is.gd/U8B6EB #samba #microsoft #trial #software #gnu #fsfe #linux #windowsJun 02 06:28
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Karsten on Free Software  » Samba case hearing: How Microsoft’s gamble backfired .::. Size~: 44.15 KBJun 02 06:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] I had to make another bikey bag http://www.jezra.net/blog/bikey_bag_part_two #shamelessselfpromotionJun 02 06:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Desktop Linux: a full Xubuntu 11.04 review http://is.gd/P1XvU6 #gnu #linux #desktop #software #microsoft #windowsJun 02 06:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Jezra.net: bikey bag part two .::. Size~: 30.08 KBJun 02 06:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] #Git 1.7.5.4 announced http://bit.ly/j5uMqaJun 02 06:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] The new GNU mailing list server http://is.gd/h6264m #hardware #email #gnu #linux #fsfJun 02 06:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk you'll have to explain what you mean when we're both awake (me especially or it'll be a waste :)Jun 02 07:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good night !identiverseJun 02 07:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @v4ibhav: [Blog] Demo Of Digia’s eBook Application From The MeeGo Conference http://bit.ly/mBhSuOJun 02 08:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Demo Of Digia’s eBook Application From The MeeGo Conference | The Handheld Blog .::. Size~: 38.77 KBJun 02 08:04
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/75128056Jun 02 08:20
TechrightsBot-tr@agentsmith's status on Thursday, 02-Jun-11 00:55:29 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz I don't think they(Oracle & IBM) will succeed. But, with friends like these, FLOSS doesn't need enemies. :-)Jun 02 08:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] Tweed Suit - A heavy weight twitter client has reached extra-devel with version 0.7.7-1 http://is.gd/nykTj1 #N900Jun 02 08:26
TechrightsBot-trTitle: maemo.org - Talk - View Single Post -  [Announce] Tweed Suit - A heavy weight twitter client + .::. Size~: 16.91 KBJun 02 08:26
schestowitz[03:27] <DaemonFC> schestowitz, http://arstechnica.com/microsoft/news/2011/06/microsoft-joins-pre-emptive-patent-protection-program.arsJun 02 08:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft joins pre-emptive patent protection program .::. Size~: 32.18 KBJun 02 08:27
schestowitzseen that. Let's pretend the biggest patent troll 'fights' trollsJun 02 08:27
DaemonFCthey do when it suits themJun 02 08:27
DaemonFCa human flesh search engine for patent-related prior art. You save Microsoft from a $5 million dollar lawsuit and the reward is only $5,000?Jun 02 08:29
DaemonFChahJun 02 08:29
DaemonFCthis won't work Jun 02 08:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[carlopiana/@carlopiana] Today is National Holiday in #Italy. Proclamation of the Republic. Cheers!Jun 02 08:33
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DaemonFCthat Javascript Doom is just pointless except as a noveltyJun 02 08:41
DaemonFCI don't get what the fascination is with Javascript latelyJun 02 08:42
DaemonFC"Oh look, we can take your Phenom II X4 and emulate a mostly functional 486!"Jun 02 08:42
DaemonFCYes, but can you take that mostly functional 486 and use another layer of Javascript to emulate an 8088?Jun 02 08:43
DaemonFCB-)Jun 02 08:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Intel touts 'ultrabooks'; Highlights #Android Honeycomb Atom-based tablet http://is.gd/eOwLKl #MIPS too http://is.gd/slCR2w #linuxJun 02 08:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Intel uses monopoly it bribed for to overcharge people http://is.gd/g6p2mP http://is.gd/BsF3pZJun 02 08:46
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: Think PCs will drop in price? Think again, warns Intel • Channel Register .::. Size~: 20.3 KBJun 02 08:46
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schestowitzhttp://mrpogson.com/2011/05/31/reaping-the-whirlwind/Jun 02 08:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Reaping the Whirlwind at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 50.21 KBJun 02 08:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "According to #Nvidia CEO Huang Jen-Hsun, #Android is the fastest growing operating system in computing history" http://is.gd/yyzZB8 #linuxJun 02 08:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Computex buzz: ARM vs Intel keeps people talking .::. Size~: 80.53 KBJun 02 08:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "IBM’s Kevin Cavanaugh, VP of Collaboration Solutions., which lobbied for Oracle to spin #OpenOffice off" http://is.gd/yIhgbQJun 02 08:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Oracle gives OpenOffice to Apache | ZDNet .::. Size~: 139.6 KBJun 02 08:51
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/fcassia/status/76192277411807232Jun 02 08:55
TechrightsBot-tr@fcassia: @schestowitz don´t forget to turn company names into hashtags whenever possible, will bring more exposure to your tweets :)Jun 02 08:55
schestowitzSometimes I forgetJun 02 08:55
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DaemonFCschestowitz: Maybe Calligra Suite is betterJun 02 09:00
DaemonFCLibreOffice and what's left of OOo are in this knock down drag out fight over something that never really worked that well anywayJun 02 09:00
DaemonFCLibreOffice works better than OOo, but they inherit a lot of problems from itJun 02 09:01
DaemonFCfor one, Oracle still has copyright assignment on a lot of the code, so they can't just relicense it as they see fitJun 02 09:02
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DaemonFCto relicense means they'd have to rebase off the Apache licensed OOoJun 02 09:02
DaemonFCanother problem is that it's huge for what it does, not MS Office huge, but hugeJun 02 09:02
DaemonFCit would be nice to see them just bury this OOo mess for good and go work on CalligraJun 02 09:03
DaemonFCthe people who want OOo licensed permissively are the ones who want to build proprietary software out of it and not give anything backJun 02 09:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #NATO report threatens to 'persecute' Anonymous http://is.gd/2Pr2jx what can they do? Bomb everyone?Jun 02 09:14
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schestowitzMaybe IBM wants it licensed in a way that makes Symphony even more proprietaryJun 02 09:17
DaemonFCschestowitz: I've used Symphony before, it's laid out a bit better than OOoJun 02 09:17
DaemonFCthat's about the only difference I noticedJun 02 09:18
DaemonFClike, you can use tabs and have a spreadsheet in one, and a text document in the other, and then you can click a hyperlink on a document and it spawns another tab that is a web browser for that Jun 02 09:18
DaemonFCit keeps your workflow in one main window, which is niceJun 02 09:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] migration to !mageia: complete :DJun 02 09:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Mageia 1 is out http://goo.gl/pgpSxJun 02 09:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] U.S. #P2P Lawsuit Shows Signs of a ‘Pirate #Honeypot’ - wow, this could get *really* nastyJun 02 09:34
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DaemonFCactually, a huge scan they're doing now is posting gay porn torrents and threatening to sue anyone who downloads them unless they pay them $5,000 to shut up and go awayJun 02 09:36
DaemonFC"What would your wife think if she knew you were watching that?"Jun 02 09:36
DaemonFChehJun 02 09:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Underground Website Where You Can Buy Any Drug Imaginable - http://gaw.kr/jLJBPS & so the demonisation of #bitcoin beginsJun 02 09:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Magic is Born -> Mageia 1 Released - http://bit.ly/jpoZZl cool: another fork of a #fork (mandrake/mandriva was a fork of #redhat)Jun 02 09:36
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DaemonFC*scamJun 02 09:36
DaemonFCthanks to our legal system being as stacked as it is, they can sue you for downloading something THEY (or an agent of theirs) posted in the first placeJun 02 09:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] mclasen: Of wrapping and windows in !GNOME: http://goo.gl/vfV5DJun 02 09:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Klout introduces +K peer verification for social influence - http://tnw.co/lYvQvw now that's what I call a social currencyJun 02 09:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] I started the day with a #Nescafé Dolce Gusto Cappuccino... I love our coffee machine!Jun 02 09:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] UK undermining Europe's #tarsands ban, say campaigners - http://bit.ly/jpR2mK hey, Dave, what about those #green credentials? #shameJun 02 09:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] U.S. #P2P Lawsuit Shows Signs of a ‘Pirate #Honeypot’ - http://bit.ly/l1ba9v wow, this could get *really* nastyJun 02 09:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: UK undermining Europe's tar sands ban, say campaigners | Environment | The Guardian .::. Size~: 237.37 KBJun 02 09:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ES: Intercambio de Patentes: ‘Una Solución a un Problema de Abogados’ http://is.gd/rMG6XI #swpats #euJun 02 09:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Decriminalise possession of #drugs, celebrities urge government - http://bit.ly/jMNgiK UK gov gives usual moronic replyJun 02 09:46
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MinceRyawningsJun 02 09:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The laugh-a-minute reign of Italy’s clown prince - http://bit.ly/j7Klhg if you need cheering up, try this... (v @LifeinSicily) #berlusconiJun 02 09:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @glynmoody: The Underground Website Where You Can Buy Any Drug Imaginable - http://gaw.kr/jLJBPS & so the demonisation of #bitcoin beginsJun 02 09:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Silvio Berlusconi: Il Cavaliere di Commedia | Politics | Vanity Fair .::. Size~: 104.38 KBJun 02 09:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Five Similarities between Collaborative Consumption and #OpenSource Technology - http://bit.ly/kI9BS3 nicely done #collconsJun 02 09:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Give Me Orwell Or Give Me Cyber-Crime - http://onforb.es/kxdz19 rehash of Blair's "ID cards strengthen civil liberties" doublespeakJun 02 09:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Alki David #Copyright Suit Against CNET Has Only One Movie, Five Songs - http://bit.ly/ivA8Bz even more ridiculousJun 02 09:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Give Me Orwell Or Give Me Cyber-Crime    - Bill Davidow - Overconnected - Forbes .::. Size~: 86.55 KBJun 02 09:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Alki David Copyright Suit Against CNET Has Only One Movie, Five Songs                                                    |  paidContent .::. Size~: 40.92 KBJun 02 09:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #YouTube Now Lets You License Videos Under Creative Commons (Remixers, Rejoice) - http://tcrn.ch/kGht80 it's taken *this* long? #ccJun 02 09:58
TechrightsBot-trTitle: YouTube Now Lets You License Videos Under Creative Commons (Remixers, Rejoice) .::. Size~: 51.93 KBJun 02 09:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Song for all you !miners today: Mark Knopfler & Emmylou Harris - I Dug Up A DiamondJun 02 10:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] I can do this :-)! http://ur1.ca/4btf5Jun 02 10:03
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Meet Ruby, the record-breaking robot that solves Rubik's Cube .::. Size~: 141.41 KBJun 02 10:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Nigeria 'baby farm' girls rescued by Abia state police http://is.gd/k6L8R8Jun 02 10:08
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BBC News - Nigeria 'baby farm' girls rescued by Abia state police .::. Size~: 58.68 KBJun 02 10:08
DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6m5TuxdkfkEJun 02 10:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: YouTube         - ‪Kids Sing Portal "Still Alive"‬‏ .::. Size~: 118.2 KBJun 02 10:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Spain: Open Source software widely used by the regional government of Extremadura - http://bit.ly/kynNbb reviewing great work #esJun 02 10:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @glynmoody Spain: Open Source software widely used by the regional government of Extremadura - http://bit.ly/kynNbb reviewing great w ...Jun 02 10:11
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DaemonFChttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fz2_NkyTv8E&feature=relatedJun 02 10:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] A pivotal moment for #Microsoft as it attempts to escape its #Windows legacy - http://bit.ly/lg18FS good analysis of MS's difficult taskJun 02 10:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Putting a price on nature can't be worse than giving it all away for free - http://bit.ly/lQDPxQ time to account for externalitiesJun 02 10:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Putting a price on nature can't be worse than giving it all away for free | Damian Carrington | Environment | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 113.15 KBJun 02 10:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Microsoft joins pre-emptive #patent protection program - http://bit.ly/in1UsN "startup that pays cash rewards to discoverers of prior art"Jun 02 10:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How #Nokia Didn’t Listen To Itself - http://bit.ly/jrySHZ lovely historical analysisJun 02 10:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @copyrightgirl Images & #Copyright: what would you like to know? Help me crowdsource questions/info & I can write a blog post on it :-)Jun 02 10:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Reine Werbung IMHO. Liebe FAZ, wie tief wollt Ihr noch fallen? Das soll ein redaktioneller Beutrag sein? http://ur1.ca/4btigJun 02 10:31
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Black & Decker Elektrogeräte: Es gibt immer etwas zu tun - Umwelt & Technik - Technik & Motor - FAZ.NET .::. Size~: 107.04 KBJun 02 10:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] A2K Standards Proposed for UN Consumer Guidelines - http://bit.ly/mMinna great stuff - so it will never catch on #copyrightJun 02 10:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Lodsys Sues Developers Ahead Of The Deadline It Gave Developers To Pay Up http://is.gd/GWAI5k #PatentTrollJun 02 10:36
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schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/75152692Jun 02 10:37
TechrightsBot-tr@Fabian Scherschel (fabsh)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jun-11 08:51:10 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz You as an FSF supporter should especially understand what I mean. You disappoint me.Jun 02 10:37
schestowitzI did not disagree with thisJun 02 10:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @fabsh I did not disagree with thisJun 02 10:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @fabsh I actually agree on most things and to describe me as an FSF supporter is to assume I merely inherit my values from elsewhere.Jun 02 10:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #ArchLinux Enables Mesa Floating Point Textures http://is.gd/rwzivd #linuxJun 02 10:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] You Can Run #Ubuntu On Your HTC Desire HD http://is.gd/hevd4Q still, must pay #Microsoft to buy the phone. #swpats #extortion #htcJun 02 10:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Muwhahahahah! :D ♺ @opensourcegeek: showed @Ilka #minecraft last night, bwuhahahahaJun 02 10:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Darkness on the Edge of Town - one of the best songs in Rock'n'Roll historyJun 02 10:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Mageia 1 Released http://is.gd/AnpBTh "100+ contributors [...] * 2 × 14.226 binary packages" ... #Mandriva out shortly http://is.gd/YLivHQJun 02 10:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU #DNA database ruled out 'in the short term' - http://bit.ly/iiMApH we all know what *that* means (v @PoliceStateUK) #surveillanceJun 02 10:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Bitcoin Money rejected by !EFF - Why? http://ping.fm/nj4fwJun 02 10:54
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/75155926Jun 02 10:56
TechrightsBot-tr@Fabian Scherschel (fabsh)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jun-11 09:43:32 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz From all I've read from you, you always struck me in line with most things that come out of FSF.Jun 02 10:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Oracle gives !OpenOffice to the !Apache Foundation -- should we care? http://ping.fm/pxfyGJun 02 10:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Tenn. passes Web entertainment theft bill - http://yhoo.it/lIB86G are there no limits to maximalists' desire to control our lives?Jun 02 11:01
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schestowitzHabitual Linux basher -> http://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/229187/30_days_withubuntu_linux.htmlJun 02 11:03
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schestowitzWait for him to FUD itJun 02 11:03
schestowitzhttp://i.imgur.com/66eWa.jpgJun 02 11:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Hopefully the SKA will be built in WA - gives me a good reason to visit Perth. http://ur1.ca/4bto1Jun 02 11:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !WebOS could come to non-HP gadgets - CNET UK http://ping.fm/OiF47Jun 02 11:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Touche' [IMG] http://imgur.com/HZKniJun 02 11:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @patcito Google open sourcing voice and video engine for the web, p2p voip and video in Chrome and Firefox! http://ur1.ca/4bgxs #scre ...Jun 02 11:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @silner: !Bitcoin Money rejected by !EFF - Why? http://ping.fm/nj4fwJun 02 11:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Pro-Mono ex-Microsofter to Torvalds et al.: here. Do it like I tell you. http://is.gd/KgQWq7Jun 02 11:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Shoddy Apple products" [IMG] http://i.imgur.com/Fwxkx.pngJun 02 11:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ditching #Copyleft to Compete with a Fork? http://is.gd/6AEk39 "I was disturbed today to read that Oracle will seek to relicense all OOo..."Jun 02 11:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ditching Copyleft to Compete with a Fork? - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) .::. Size~: 25.69 KBJun 02 11:14
DaemonFCschestowitz: Ubuntu is alright, but it would be nicer if it had a browser with the hardware accelerated goodness of DirectXJun 02 11:16
DaemonFC:PJun 02 11:16
DaemonFCthat's my guessJun 02 11:17
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DaemonFC"I have been an avid, loyal Windows user since Windows 3.0"Jun 02 11:18
DaemonFCIs that with or without the multimedia extensions?Jun 02 11:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] IBM: Move over, community. Thanks for all the hard work. We'll take it from here...Jun 02 11:18
DaemonFC:)Jun 02 11:18
DaemonFCthis Skyline movie isn't that great so farJun 02 11:19
DaemonFCYou look at the light and the human eating giant aliens control youJun 02 11:19
DaemonFCso what does everyone keep doing?Jun 02 11:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "I am a big advocate of Open Source and Open Standards. [..] But at home? Eh, not so much." http://is.gd/uyBblf So how does that work? x-|Jun 02 11:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Why I've been throwing Open Standards under the bus | ZDNet .::. Size~: 141.42 KBJun 02 11:21
oiaohmDaemonFC: define under.Jun 02 11:22
oiaohmDaemonFC: OppsJun 02 11:22
schestowitzI remember when FLOSS Weekly was a show from dibona and leo... big namesJun 02 11:22
oiaohmschestowitz: define under.  Lot of computer controlled bus engines use a open standard.Jun 02 11:23
schestowitznow it's the guy from Linux Outlaws and guests I don't know http://twit.tv/floss168Jun 02 11:23
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The TWiT Netcast Network with Leo Laporte .::. Size~: 28.42 KBJun 02 11:23
oiaohmschestowitz: so in one they are under a bus.Jun 02 11:23
DaemonFC"in the last year, I’ve purchased two iPads, a Macintosh, and two Kindles"Jun 02 11:23
DaemonFCglad he likes themJun 02 11:23
DaemonFCglad it's his money being wastedJun 02 11:23
DaemonFCglad its his music and books and movies that can be remotely deleted and may stop working at any timeJun 02 11:24
schestowitzoiaohm: he makes up dramaJun 02 11:24
DaemonFCglad he likes living in 2006 wrt OpenGL (Macs can't even use OpenGL 3, haha)Jun 02 11:24
schestowitzDaemonFC: he shows off consumerismJun 02 11:25
schestowitzshopping list-speak :-)Jun 02 11:25
schestowitz"i've done her... and here... and those two at the same time" :-)Jun 02 11:25
DaemonFCschestowitz: Apple is technologically inferior even to WindowsJun 02 11:25
DaemonFCaside from the fact of being totally proprietary Jun 02 11:25
schestowitzApple is a brandJun 02 11:25
schestowitzit's not a proiductJun 02 11:26
DaemonFCerr, you know what I mean, OS XJun 02 11:26
schestowitzThe products are inside an Apple-branded PCJun 02 11:26
DaemonFCit's a jokeJun 02 11:26
schestowitzIntel chipsets, hard-drives from Korea/Singapore, whetever..Jun 02 11:26
DaemonFCit's so bad, it's actually worse than WindowsJun 02 11:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] I love it that a notice with "fucking" in it can reach Popular Notices on identica. People on Twitter would shit their pants.... :DJun 02 11:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @dickturpin: Big Ron (Wolves Lug) says he will transport at least 5 of us to !oggcamp other lifts TBA. The Wolves Massive is comingJun 02 11:26
schestowitzactually, I should dent itJun 02 11:26
DaemonFCthe only argument that they had for it was that there was no malware, but now we see that MAC DEFENDER and variants have no trouble at all getting on a Mac, without the administrator password, and can rely on Safari to download and execute the installer without asking the userJun 02 11:27
DaemonFCwhat the hell kind of a web browser downloads and runs random executables from the internet?Jun 02 11:28
schestowitzHeheJun 02 11:28
schestowitzNot reallyJun 02 11:28
schestowitzYou need to put passwords inJun 02 11:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Apple/Mac is a brand, not a product. The products are contained within "Mac"- or "Apple"-branded PCs (motherboard, hard-drive/s, etc.)Jun 02 11:28
DaemonFCeven IE doesn't do THATJun 02 11:28
schestowitzThe press overplayed that FUDJun 02 11:28
DaemonFCSafari sounds like a malware writer's wet dreamJun 02 11:29
DaemonFCit just runs whatever it's asked toJun 02 11:29
DaemonFCthat's so incredibly stupid it had to be an Apple productJun 02 11:30
DaemonFCschestowitz: I cringe whenever people compare KDE to OS X, first of all, it's not much like OS X's GUI at all, so I don't know where they got thatJun 02 11:31
DaemonFCand OS X would have to improve the GUI a lot to take on KDEJun 02 11:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Behind the scenes: a community workshop for Red Hatters http://is.gd/5cYnkH #redhat #gnu #linuxJun 02 11:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) End of Life http://is.gd/3iUUPx the odd one with the "6" at the end (June)Jun 02 11:31
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DaemonFCI don't think Ubuntu LTS releases make a proper desktop if what you're looking for is not having to upgrade that oftenJun 02 11:32
DaemonFCyou use RHEL or clones and get 7 years before you have to seriously consider upgradingJun 02 11:33
DaemonFCyou use an Ubuntu LTS and you get 3Jun 02 11:33
DaemonFCI think "stable" software is for old ladies though, at least on my main systemJun 02 11:34
DaemonFCI look at it as "If this adds a bunch of major new features that I care about, I'll risk having a bug crop up now and then"Jun 02 11:35
DaemonFCFedora is made out to be way more wicked than it isJun 02 11:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] After a Few Short Months, #Firefox 4 Is Mozilla's Leading Browser Version http://is.gd/E9D7qa #Linux 3 with Firefox 5 is on the horizon...Jun 02 11:36
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schestowitzhttp://imgur.com/sSqvbJun 02 11:37
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DaemonFCschestowitz: Lets all throw open standards under the bus and use software that the legal right to use can be taken away at any time, which spits out files that only it understands, that it uses to compel "upgrades" to new versions without any substantial improvements.Jun 02 11:37
DaemonFCMicrosoft Office running on Windows? Mission accomplished?Jun 02 11:38
DaemonFCB-)Jun 02 11:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] No comment needed [IMG] http://i.imgur.com/VhfsH.jpgJun 02 11:38
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schestowitzhttp://i.imgur.com/BJIwn.pngJun 02 11:38
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DaemonFCschestowitz: One way I've noticed to make it so Windows users with MS Office can't corrupt the documents I've sent them.Jun 02 11:39
DaemonFCSend it as XHTMLJun 02 11:39
DaemonFCthat way all they can do is open it in their web browserJun 02 11:39
DaemonFCMS Office completely fails to parse itJun 02 11:40
DaemonFCTripping Balls is a medical diagnosis?Jun 02 11:40
DaemonFCI think I've suffered that before, but it was always acute, not chronicJun 02 11:41
DaemonFC:)Jun 02 11:41
DaemonFCschestowitz: Uhhhm, no child molesters allowed is what I think the second one means.Jun 02 11:42
schestowitzYou have lots of medical conditionsJun 02 11:42
schestowitzDaemonFC: duhJun 02 11:42
DaemonFCIf you go there to molest children, they can cite you for trespassing?Jun 02 11:42
DaemonFChmmmJun 02 11:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] ars technica: #Microsoft gives the first official look of #Windows8 touch interface http://goo.gl/Qoov7Jun 02 11:43
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft gives the first official look of Windows 8 touch interface .::. Size~: 37.08 KBJun 02 11:43
DaemonFCright now all the touchscreen systems end up shipping with OEM software to make Windows 7 more touchscreen-awareJun 02 11:44
DaemonFCwithout that it works about as well as Vista voice recognition Jun 02 11:44
schestowitzgtgJun 02 11:47
MinceRhttp://www.splitreason.com/product/1091Jun 02 11:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Xubuntu 11.04 Review • by Jim Lynch http://ping.fm/sVavVJun 02 11:51
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DaemonFCMinceR?Jun 02 11:52
DaemonFCthere was a point to that?Jun 02 11:52
DaemonFC:)Jun 02 11:52
MinceRi think it's funnyJun 02 11:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoExperts: Nook Color gets Hacked again – Now its MeeGo http://mge.bz/by #Nook #Color #MeeGo #Hack #Port #AndroidJun 02 11:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !Canonical Blog: Family Farm game in !Ubuntu http://goo.gl/lTXxUJun 02 12:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] !OMG !Ubuntu reviewed the System76 Serval Pro: Is it the best Ubuntu laptop ever? http://goo.gl/JwchTJun 02 12:03
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Family Farm game in Ubuntu «  Canonical Blog .::. Size~: 20.56 KBJun 02 12:03
TechrightsBot-trTitle: We review the System76 Serval Pro: Is it the best Ubuntu laptop ever? .::. Size~: 69.75 KBJun 02 12:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] LibreOffice keeps boasting with all the doe they raised. Makes me kinda sceptical to read that stuff.... :/Jun 02 12:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh We can hope :)Jun 02 12:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] libass needs to be updated again. ROFLJun 02 12:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] lol! "To mess up a Linux box, you need to work at it; to mess up your Windows box, you just need to work on it." - Scott GrannemanJun 02 12:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Got about half way through the edit on LO 210. Now getting ready to head out for some swimming.Jun 02 12:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] RT @patcito Google open sourcing voice and video engine for the web, p2p voip and video in Chrome and Firefox! http://ur1.ca/4bgxs #scre ...Jun 02 12:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Script to speed up #mobile internet connexion in !Linux http://goo.gl/XQ0blJun 02 12:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @linuxcanuck: Distribution Release: #Kororaa #Linux 14 http://distrowatch.com/6705 !fedoraJun 02 13:01
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DaemonFCmy bank offers Justin Bieber checksJun 02 13:03
*DaemonFC orders some for schestowitzJun 02 13:03
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DaemonFChttp://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?55127-KDE-Qt-amp-LightDM-Progress-MadeJun 02 13:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: KDE, Qt & LightDM: Progress Made .::. Size~: 31.36 KBJun 02 13:06
DaemonFCActually, I saw Matthew Garrett's take on LightDM and wondered if he ever noticed the inconsistencies in KDM and GDM if you use one of them for other desktopsJun 02 13:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @thp4: A little #Mong gameplay update, our #MeeGo Tablet pong game: http://youtu.be/7k2i9lFiWuY - menu, about, sound effects, packagin...Jun 02 13:10
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DaemonFCWhile MinceR discounts the odd behavior of using KDE apps in GNOME or GTK+ apps in KDE, I find it maddening Jun 02 13:10
DaemonFCof course with the KDM/GDM mess that can start immediately, before there's even a user logged onJun 02 13:10
DaemonFChow convenient :)Jun 02 13:10
oiaohmReally gtk apps skin better for kde than the reverse.Jun 02 13:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @nizarus Ubuntu 6.06 LTS (Dapper Drake) Server release End of Life http://ur1.ca/4btrn !ubuntuJun 02 13:11
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oiaohmBut it still a failure to make a common theme standard.Jun 02 13:11
DaemonFCthere's been entirely too much of this "We're over in our world, you can go do whatever you like in yours" because sometimes no matter what environment you use, something made for the other is the best at that taskJun 02 13:11
DaemonFCso suddently you're using KDE but you have a GTK+ app following GNOME's hig, and the cancel and OK buttons are swappedJun 02 13:12
MinceRand that's where QtCurve comes in :>Jun 02 13:12
DaemonFCand the file selector makes you double clickJun 02 13:12
MinceRas for GNOME's HIG, that just needs to die in a fireJun 02 13:12
DaemonFCand takes Natuilus style key combosJun 02 13:12
DaemonFCinstead of KDE onesJun 02 13:12
MinceRdoes the GNOME file selector require double click if Nautilus is set to single click?Jun 02 13:12
oiaohmNatuilus key map in gconf can be altered to a more KDE friendly one.Jun 02 13:13
oiaohmSo effecting down stream apps.Jun 02 13:13
DaemonFChmmm, I should probably try ticking something with gconf-editor Jun 02 13:13
DaemonFCthat still doesn't mean the other points are invalidJun 02 13:13
DaemonFCand a new user wouldn't know to download gconf-editor and how to tick that preference Jun 02 13:13
oiaohmReally the Hig suff some of that can be override by QtCurveJun 02 13:14
DaemonFCI use oxygen-gtkJun 02 13:14
DaemonFCOpera gave up trying to use either toolkit and made their own Jun 02 13:15
DaemonFCit works right no matter where you are using itJun 02 13:15
oiaohmhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QtCurveJun 02 13:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: QtCurve - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 25.7 KBJun 02 13:15
oiaohmMost logactions of the HIG caused button order differences QTCurve cures.Jun 02 13:16
oiaohmWhere themes like oxygen-gtk don't.Jun 02 13:16
DaemonFCwhy not?Jun 02 13:16
oiaohmQTCurve altered sections of the gtk engine.Jun 02 13:16
oiaohmIe we cure it by mugging the engine.Jun 02 13:16
DaemonFChehJun 02 13:18
DaemonFCbeat some sense into itJun 02 13:18
oiaohmThe Gtk3 release has been removed, as the Gtk theme API has changed! << this is a problem at the moment.Jun 02 13:18
oiaohmQTCurve has not caught up to GTK3 apps yet.Jun 02 13:18
DaemonFCFedora no longer packages qtcurve for GTKJun 02 13:18
DaemonFCwell, they do but only i686?Jun 02 13:19
DaemonFCwhat's up with that?Jun 02 13:19
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ender_33http://listserv.fnal.gov/scripts/wa.exe?A2=ind1106&L=scientific-linux-devel&T=0&P=74Jun 02 13:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: SCIENTIFIC-LINUX-DEVEL Archives -- June 2011 (#1) .::. Size~: 14.84 KBJun 02 13:21
ender_33SL 6.1 AlphaJun 02 13:21
ender_33where is centos 6.0Jun 02 13:21
ender_33lolJun 02 13:21
DaemonFCender_33: They're still biting people's heads off in their forum for asking that I supposeJun 02 13:21
ender_33heheJun 02 13:22
DaemonFCwhen we SAY it's ready!Jun 02 13:22
DaemonFCThis ain't no god damn democracah!!!!!Jun 02 13:23
DaemonFC:PJun 02 13:23
ender_33when asked if the redhat kernel policy change will effect them they replied "no, we hardly do updates anyways"Jun 02 13:23
DaemonFCAnd.....We're NOT here to tell you how to build it yourself, so gfyJun 02 13:23
DaemonFCB-)Jun 02 13:23
oiaohmender_33: also redhat is not like Ubuntu.  A stock kernel off kernel.org works on redhat.Jun 02 13:24
DaemonFCanyone still using CentOS is fucked in the headJun 02 13:24
ender_33oiaohm - yesJun 02 13:24
oiaohmender_33: so if redhat does not tell you there secret mix of patches its not the end of world.Jun 02 13:24
ender_33oiaohm - I never said it was, the code is thereJun 02 13:24
DaemonFCoiaohm: You have to apply 5 patches to it for AppArmor to work in Ubuntu, and 1 patch for trace points for ureadaheadJun 02 13:24
ender_33:)Jun 02 13:24
oiaohmDaemonFC: exactly.Jun 02 13:25
DaemonFCa kernel.org kernel will work fine on Fedora with no patches appliedJun 02 13:25
ender_33im not one of those people who adds a working cvs/svn/git/whatever as a requirement to an open source licenseJun 02 13:25
oiaohmDaemonFC: redhat SL centos debian arch.  Ok most major distributions  will run with stock.Jun 02 13:25
oiaohmOnly two major exceptions.Jun 02 13:25
oiaohmUbuntu and AndroidJun 02 13:25
DaemonFCbuilding a kernel for Ubuntu is a pain in the ass because eventually one of those files will get changed and you have to go digging around for a new patchJun 02 13:26
DaemonFCyeah, Debian runs without any patchingJun 02 13:26
oiaohmBut android is getting closer to main line Linux kernel that Ubuntu is.Jun 02 13:26
DaemonFCtechnically Ubuntu willJun 02 13:26
ender_33ubuntu is terribadJun 02 13:26
DaemonFCif you don't mind the ureadahead daemon crashingJun 02 13:26
DaemonFCand AppArmor not workingJun 02 13:26
ender_33Slackware is very good for doing your own thing tooJun 02 13:27
oiaohmDaemonFC: and the other many other strange events caused by those not working.Jun 02 13:27
DaemonFCOpenSuse and Mandriva both work fine with vanilla kernelJun 02 13:27
ender_33http://distrowatch.com/?newsid=06709Jun 02 13:27
DaemonFCI assume that means Mageia would tooJun 02 13:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Development Release: openSUSE 12.1 Milestone 1 (DistroWatch.com News) .::. Size~: 137.33 KBJun 02 13:27
ender_33speaking of opensuseJun 02 13:27
ender_33since NOBODY mentions it in the news anymore (Source: Roy)Jun 02 13:27
DaemonFCare there any distributions other than Ubuntu that need kernel patches just to work right?Jun 02 13:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] So how long is Amamzon now selling DRM-free MP3s? That are not traceable to the costumer? And did it kill the music industry?Jun 02 13:28
ender_33DaemonFC - ubuntu clonesJun 02 13:28
DaemonFCender_33: I think schestowitz just wants to speak that into existence. (The OpenSuse is dying part)Jun 02 13:28
DaemonFCit's notJun 02 13:28
ender_33I know it's notJun 02 13:28
oiaohmDaemonFC: android still at this stage requires custom patches.  But you would call it a highly custom distribution.Jun 02 13:29
DaemonFCAndroid is Google OSJun 02 13:29
DaemonFCit's not really even what you'd consider a Linux systemJun 02 13:29
DaemonFCthe userland is all GoogleJun 02 13:30
DaemonFCand the kernel is patched to deathJun 02 13:30
oiaohmReally Google is putting more time into working better with upstream and playing by upstream rules than Ubuntu is.Jun 02 13:30
DaemonFCnot surprisingJun 02 13:30
DaemonFCUbuntu is really ghetto Jun 02 13:30
oiaohmOver time lot of the patches have been disappearing out of the android kernel as Linux kernel gets equal functionallity done other ways.Jun 02 13:30
ender_33I discovered another example of doublespeakJun 02 13:31
oiaohmYes Google has rewriten sections of their userland to line up with mainline Linux kernel.Jun 02 13:31
ender_33"unity"Jun 02 13:31
DaemonFCender_33: You mean you don't use HilarityJun 02 13:31
DaemonFCI mean, Unity?Jun 02 13:31
DaemonFC:)Jun 02 13:31
oiaohmMost of the Android patches were features Linux kernel has had not match to.Jun 02 13:31
ender_33Fragmentity?Jun 02 13:31
DaemonFCDepravityJun 02 13:32
DaemonFCStupidityJun 02 13:32
ender_33SpunityJun 02 13:32
oiaohmUbuntu is still pushing the idea that copyright assignment is OK.Jun 02 13:32
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oiaohmThe very trigger of the Libreoffice was copyright assignment.Jun 02 13:32
DaemonFCnobody cares enough about Depravity to fork itJun 02 13:33
ender_33http://youtu.be/iA9zaBZysfIJun 02 13:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[firefoxmilestones/@firefoxmilestones] #Firefox4 reached 194 million downloads on 2011-06-02 12:27 UTCJun 02 13:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft unveils touch-oriented Windows 8 (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/iE8KE6Jun 02 13:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @eebrah: RD: @bigbrovar: skype-open-source: Skype protocol reverse engineered, source available... http://t.co/S0qfhNj via @m48813Jun 02 13:43
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ender_33mageia came out tooJun 02 13:44
oiaohmThat skype source is not touchable.Jun 02 13:48
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oiaohmThe person has disreguarded basic ideas of reversing.Jun 02 13:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Skype offers interface for running Skype clients on devices (Skype): http://bit.ly/lHcv8HJun 02 13:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Skype - Developer blog - Breaking down the barriers, one standard at a time .::. Size~: 54.3 KBJun 02 13:51
MinceRreversing?Jun 02 13:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[serk01/@serk01] Making of the Hobbit - on set http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6nQq1NsVZLQ&feature=relatedJun 02 13:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] It's rainingJun 02 14:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Socrates, social media and the new dialectic http://red.ht/iPlTC2 #healthcare #HCSMgate #openstandardsJun 02 14:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] Thos who cheared for Mubarak to leave Egypt. You might want to check the news now. 2tu.us/3cq5 2tu.us/3cq6 Copts are persecuted more now.Jun 02 14:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #UN Human Right Council told UK’s #DEAct is “alarming” violation of #HumanRights - http://bit.ly/jzVJM8 pretty shameful, huh?Jun 02 14:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 3D model for reproducing house-keys - http://bit.ly/k7BZ5G cue moral panic about #3dprintingJun 02 14:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gnufreex/@gnufreex] Egypt’s Christians Fear Violence as Changes Embolden Islamists http://www.nytimes.com/2011/05/31/world/middleeast/31coptic.html?_r=1Jun 02 14:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #YouTube pushes for strong European content with €20k grants - http://tnw.co/j5IyMJ smart move: bypass the film studiosJun 02 14:13
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ender_33oiaohm - Remember yesterday regarding scientific linux?Jun 02 14:14
ender_33it turns out I was right and SL 6.1 will be out soonJun 02 14:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Just tried to print the Satipatthana Sutta and got twelve blank pages; is Nagarjuna a Firefox developer? #buddhism http://bit.ly/lMaZLrJun 02 14:16
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oiaohmender_33: and I had been following the updates and comparing to what is in 6.0 updated to redhat 6.1Jun 02 14:17
oiaohmender_33: And I trully don't see much difference.Jun 02 14:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] lol! "Q. Where did the names “C” and “C++” come from? A. They were grades." - Jerry LeichterJun 02 14:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Researcher reverse-engineers #Skype, makes code available publicly - http://tnw.co/jiZc6z wonder how #Microsoft will respond to that?Jun 02 14:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] #Outbackzack 's Legal Beagle hasn't responded yet. I've been doing some additional research on him and his client...Jun 02 14:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @alexhundert: Toronto police G20 probe a ‘cat and mouse’ game, lawyer warns - The Globe and Mail: http://t.co/xXeGpnf #g20reportJun 02 14:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Linux's 'Killer Feature': Impossible to Choose Just One http://bit.ly/jB2OKp #linuxJun 02 14:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Sprint to release Tegra 2 on June 9? (Engadget): http://engt.co/jIQCqZJun 02 14:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Why Play Matters More than Ever http://bit.ly/lOFDHa #gamificationJun 02 14:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] The end of the #Linux desktop wars http://www.itworld.com/mobile-wireless/170155/end-linux-desktop-warsJun 02 14:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Asus to ship Ubuntu netbooks http://www.pcpro.co.uk/news/367768/asus-to-ship-ubuntu-netbooks #linuxJun 02 14:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Arguments Over the Future of OpenOffice.org http://bit.ly/m7oi7eJun 02 15:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] When The Going Gets Tough, Call On Open Source http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/74514 #opensourceJun 02 15:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] First openSUSE 12.1 milestone arrives http://bit.ly/jBPFdDJun 02 15:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Apparently was adaptation of Billy #Crystal standup routine but can't find any video online. #disappointingJun 02 15:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @zotz: thanks, I've passed them onJun 02 15:14
schestowitzArghh... advice of the day. If sugar bag gets wet at the kitchen, treat it like a bio-hazard, don't try to salvage ANY of it becuase it's sticky business that spreads like a used diaperJun 02 15:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Good morning !IdentiverseJun 02 15:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] After reading about Anne Muir I can't really think of it as a "good" morning anymore http://ur1.ca/4buts (via @Crosbie)Jun 02 15:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @zotz @crosbie And what will happen when the penalties for shoplifting are less than those for sharing?Jun 02 15:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @crosbie Prepare for torture & execution as penalties for #copyright infringement. Only then will people call for abolition. http://b ...Jun 02 15:18
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[toros/@toros] #Androinica: Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1 confirmed for June 8: $499-$599 http://goo.gl/3tuuO !androidJun 02 15:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Odd that #Microsoft markets the new #Vista7 (aka "8") as device-/touch-aware when it was the same bogus 'selling point' of "7"Jun 02 15:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] By integrating fotos directly, twitter tells its ecosystem that they can start looking for better opportunities.Jun 02 15:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Bonus points to Microsoft proponents who can name /one/ *compelling* feature in Windows since XP. Aero is just lipstick on a pig, UAC is badJun 02 15:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] That would be nice [IMG] http://is.gd/PRyQlGJun 02 15:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @N900: RT @Travellwebs: Wlan Driver Selector Applet - Switch easily between stock and bleeding edge drivers http://bit.ly/lp7IO2 #N900...Jun 02 15:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Real Legacy of the #Hargreaves Report? - http://bit.ly/lpMYgn not what you might think #economics #lobbying #copyrightJun 02 15:29
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schestowitzToday a the sauna the Daily Express was put down Jun 02 15:34
schestowitzLeft behindJun 02 15:34
schestowitzWhich is fun because I like to show people how the paper is contructedJun 02 15:34
schestowitzAnd I always righytly predict what will go whereJun 02 15:34
schestowitzIncluding ad placementsJun 02 15:34
schestowitzSame formula each day, indoctrinating the massesJun 02 15:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 5 Reasons why #opensource will shake the #CMS establishment - http://tnw.co/myMZz4 short but sweetJun 02 15:36
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schestowitzDO you guys teach other people to be sceptical of public/private newspapersJun 02 15:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] ‘Torrent’ Becomes A Dirty Word As Site Admin Fined $29,000 - http://bit.ly/lHZW2u "destabilization of the economy of artistic creation”Jun 02 15:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] I'm enjoying "The Very Best of Slade" DVD ATM #fun #tolerance #nostalgiaJun 02 15:41
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Will2@schestowitz:  So Microsoft has demonstrated Windows 8.  Sounds like it's basically WIndows Phone 7 on a PC.  More worrisome is the noise about MS trying to exert greater influence over how hardware makers design their machines.  Jun 02 15:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Two Open Source Ideologies That Are Just Wrong - http://bit.ly/lfyMKH more interesting thoughts on the #apache/#OpenOffice moveJun 02 15:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laforge/@laforge] *lol* a law firm with 'innocent' in their name: http://www.fsilaw.com/ - nomen est omen.Jun 02 15:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Just received this mail: " @BobSutor deleting my comments on his blog. I am telling him many are trying to unite LO and OOo communities."Jun 02 15:45
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Will2@schestowitz:  Some of it is innocent enough.  They want to ensure a minimum screen resolution.  They want attention to be paid to screen edges and bevels to make using the touchscreen features easier.  Jun 02 15:46
Will2@schestowitz:  Nothing in that is harmful to Linux.  But, well, this is Microsoft, and they have a decades-long track record.  I have a magic 8 ball wearing a tin-foil hat that predicts the possibility of nteresting times ahead for kernel devs.Jun 02 15:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Dr. @BobSutor was also deleting my comments which politely addressed IBM's #swpats situationJun 02 15:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @kletskous Three arrested, accused of "illegally feeding homeless" at Lake Eola #huh? #policestate #usa #foodnotbombs via @anonymousJun 02 15:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] RD @cwebber #GNU #MediaGoblin 0.0.2 Released: We can haz pages http://ur1.ca/4but9Jun 02 15:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fedora/@fedora] Are you interested in encrypting your btrfs file system? Check out this tutorial: http://2tu.us/3cqdJun 02 15:50
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MinceRi hope the hw makers will tell m$ to go design their own hw instead of sticking their nose into itJun 02 15:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #IBM is becoming extremely arrogant again. Don't take its friendship w/ FOSS w/o a grain of salt. http://is.gd/EUjWc2 http://is.gd/HGORdbJun 02 15:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] It is most likely that #IBM wants copyrights of OOo at #Apache in order to Apachify code and reinforce Symphony's status as proprietary S/W.Jun 02 15:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] What I learned today: treat wet sugar bag like a bio-hazard, don't try to salvage any because it's sticky business that spreads endlessly.Jun 02 15:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] RT @matux @openattitude And the winner of the !Linux desktop wars is... HTML 5? | ITworld http://ur1.ca/4buqw ||@bazza vos no querias ha ...Jun 02 15:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Gotta love those who think that Republicans beat Democrats beat Republicans beat Democrats is "Change".Jun 02 15:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] To assume that dethroning Microsoft & elevating Apple/IBM/Oracle is somehow a "solution" is to adhere to fantasies from the corporate mediaJun 02 15:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Windows 8 Tablet OS Is Just Windows 7 With a New Skin (Wired): http://bit.ly/mu0wF5Jun 02 15:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The real competition is the battle of philosophies, not the battles between separate teams playing by same rule, swapping the same staff.Jun 02 16:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "So Microsoft has demonstrated Windows 8. Sounds like it's basically Windows Phone 7 on a PC. " ~Will at !techrightsJun 02 16:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Windows 8 Tablet OS Is Just Windows 7 With a New Skin (Wired): http://bit.ly/mu0wF5 yes, well... and Windows 7 is just Mojave/VistaJun 02 16:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Vista is Edsel. http://is.gd/c8Pj8b Windows "7" is Edsel with a 5th wheel. "8" has a 6th wheel. Innovation?Jun 02 16:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] MysqlPasswordAuditor 1.0 released, recover lost MySQL passwords : http://securityxploded.com/mysql-password-auditor.phpJun 02 16:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mozilla/@mozilla] Design Jam Oxford #1: Time To Wrap-Up A Fast & Furious Jam Session http://mozillalabs.com/conceptseries/2011/06/02/design-jam-oxford-1-time-Jun 02 16:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] Reading large conversations here in context brings my poor system to a grinding halt.Jun 02 16:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Three Web Performance Drafts Published: Visibility, Timing Control for Script-Based Animations, Navigation Timin http://ow.ly/1d0IbvJun 02 16:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Battery Status Event Specification Updated http://ow.ly/1d0IbuJun 02 16:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #xkcd as educator - one for the bookmarks now that we have a lively discussion on the topic http://xkcd.com/radiation/Jun 02 16:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Back from a swim. That was nice. :)Jun 02 16:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] U.K. government drops plan to build private cloud, citing high start-up costs (IT Pro): http://bit.ly/mBzwnXJun 02 16:45
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Opgedragen aan @EricVerberne en @MarnixAmsterdam http://ur1.ca/4bv7s yum!Jun 02 16:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @vinzv: 150 dents in der letzten Woche? Da geht noch was...Jun 02 16:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Advertising Discovery http://xkcd.com/906/ #xkcd #humor #wikipediaJun 02 16:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Being flooded with notices telling me all the bugs I filed in F13 will now never get fixed. Sad really..... !FedoraJun 02 16:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] question: why does twitter.com crash in a chromium tab? I'm using fedora 15 64-bit. need to file bugzilla.Jun 02 17:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @fabsh IIRC, RMS thinks Free Software does not need copyright.Jun 02 17:03
asdfas2wefwTRIdentica: the GPL depends on strong copyrightJun 02 17:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @zotz Does he? I doubt that. In any case, I'm specifically talking copyleft here. I don't believe in non-copyleft F/OSS much.Jun 02 17:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @fabsh I am talking copyleft too. iirc, he thinks that software should not be copyrightable. ie. no copyright protection for any software.Jun 02 17:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @fabsh iirc, the copyleft gpl is his attempt to bring that state about without needing to fight the battle to get the law changed.Jun 02 17:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @zotz Once again: Explain to me how we assure FaiFness without copyright?Jun 02 17:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Ich ess dann ma ne Prinzenrolle. Da sind ja keinen Gurken, Tomaten oder Gammelfleisch drin. Wegen #ehec und so ;-)Jun 02 17:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] My sincere apologies to @BobSutor whom my source accused of censoring when in fact Bob was away from the Net (too long for moderation)Jun 02 17:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] You may have heard... YouTube launches support for CC BY and a CC library featuring 10,000 videos! http://bit.ly/jqUFDjJun 02 17:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Someone suggested Windows 8 features as an LXnews topic? OoJun 02 17:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Bereits 1997 hatten Kernkraftbetreiber Rückstellungen im Gesamtwert von 59,8 Mrd DM für Endlagerung etc. #Ichsagjanur http://ur1.ca/4bvf8Jun 02 17:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @vinzv: RT @jospoortvliet congrats to @mageia !linux for the first release!!!Jun 02 17:28
arianitHi, I'm trying to understand OOo relicensing. Kohn states:"Oracle is relicensing to undermine a successful Free Software project that relies on its copyrighted code." -- what does this mean, how can copyrighted code be used against LibreOffice and why this risk gets less as more code is added, as he claims later. Jun 02 17:35
arianitCorrection, name of the author is Kuhn.Jun 02 17:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Nokia Stuck in Limbo Waiting for Windows 7 Phones http://is.gd/BTn3VJ #Microsoft & #Elop the mole put all benefits @MSFT , all risk @NokiaJun 02 17:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Remember what the bankers did prior to 2008: they put all the risk at the public's hand, took all the massive (trillions?) benefits/bonusesJun 02 17:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] http://coffee.jezra.net/coffee/20110602 #sip_and_clickJun 02 17:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Californian dolphin gang caught killing porpoises - http://bit.ly/mO7Tu3 sobering stuff #ethology #testosteroneJun 02 17:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Julian Assange scoops top journalism prize - http://tnw.co/j7b2Oj remember him? #secrecy #wikileaksJun 02 17:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Bodhi 1.1.0 Screenshots http://is.gd/0mcY68 derivative of #Ubuntu - what's with the name though? Buddha?Jun 02 17:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Spannend. Finnland. #Websperre http://www.edri.org/edrigram/number9.11/blocking-case-finland-court cc @netzpolitik @alvar_fJun 02 17:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Finland piut w3.org on their secret blacklist? I mean, serious?!? http://ur1.ca/4bvi9 cc @glynmoodyJun 02 17:41
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arianitschestowitz,  I'm trying to understand OOo relicensing. Kuhn states:"Oracle is re-licensing to undermine a successful Free Software project that relies on its copyrighted code." -- what does this mean, how can copyrighted code be used against LibreOffice and why this risk gets less as more code is added, as he claims later? Jun 02 17:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Why #YouTube Adopting Creative Commons Is a Big Deal - http://bit.ly/mPAyY1 because they're using cc-by (which I'd missed before) #ccJun 02 17:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] PiTiVi #opensource #video editor brings new effects - http://bit.ly/jbr5Ld new to me: anyone use it?Jun 02 17:45
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ender_33pitivi is awesomeJun 02 17:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] 6 Factors Behind the Mobile Photo #Sharing Boom - http://on.mash.to/jIbmDW missed the most important: people love to shareJun 02 17:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] note to self: follow @lostnbronx's suggestion and sing "Oh Canada" whenever filling up the Canada coffee cupJun 02 17:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Finland: Blocking of domestic websites ruled illegal - http://bit.ly/iLXOMO interesting ruling (v @jwildeboer)Jun 02 17:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Atomwende soll 22 Mrd € kosten. Bei knapp 27 Mrd € Rückstellungen bleiben dann ja 5 Mrd € für erneuerbare Energie und Steuerzahler zahlt nixJun 02 17:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Github Has Surpassed #Sourceforge and Google Code in Popularity - http://rww.to/kMer5f #Linus triumphs againJun 02 17:53
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schestowitz[17:36] <arianit> Correction, name of the author is Kuhn.Jun 02 17:55
schestowitzTey want apache licenceJun 02 17:55
schestowitzSo that IBM does not need to give changes backJun 02 17:55
schestowitzIt's more like BSD styleJun 02 17:55
schestowitzRight now it's LGPL mostly (v3), in current versionJun 02 17:55
schestowitzIf they can move it to Apache licence, then Symphony will have an easier time stomping on OOo while not giving back the changesJun 02 17:56
schestowitzThus copyleft gets screwedJun 02 17:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @glynmoody: #Github Has Surpassed #Sourceforge and Google Code in Popularity - http://rww.to/kMer5f #Linus triumphs againJun 02 17:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Subjective experience & the law: should fMRI evidence of high punishment tolerance affect sentencing? - http://bit.ly/lnqFhm don't go thereJun 02 17:56
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schestowitzBut we don't know IBM's intentions for sure, not yet anywayJun 02 17:56
schestowitzSymphony was always a hack around "Open Source"Jun 02 17:56
schestowitzLotus in general is as proprietary (but standards-compliant) as can beJun 02 17:57
arianitwhat about copyrights though, how do those play outJun 02 17:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellog2/@kernellog2] Hardware and "3.0" difficulties http://h-online.com/-1254308 #linux #kernel #inbrief #uefi #reboot #stable #lkml #amd #driverJun 02 17:58
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arianitand how come only IBM was able to get this deal from SUN/OracleJun 02 17:58
arianitschestowitz, Jun 02 17:59
gnufreexOracle will destroy OpenOffice, there will be 100 of incompatable forksJun 02 18:00
gnufreexMost proprietary.Jun 02 18:00
gnufreexEverybody will try to make easy moneyJun 02 18:00
gnufreexSince it is only office suite to compete with MSFTJun 02 18:00
gnufreexAnd MSFT can easier sue against Apache licenseJun 02 18:01
gnufreexSince there are no libery or death claueJun 02 18:01
gnufreexclauseJun 02 18:01
gnufreexSo paying royalties is legitJun 02 18:01
gnufreexSo there will be some MSFT drones that will pay royalty for MSFT for distributing OpenOffice.Jun 02 18:02
gnufreex*to MSFTJun 02 18:02
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/75184694Jun 02 18:03
TechrightsBot-tr@Billy (seeds)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jun-11 16:37:09 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz bodhisattva :)Jun 02 18:03
gnufreexAlso, Most Apache projects are raw material for geeksJun 02 18:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Skype Protocol Was Reverse-Engineered http://is.gd/YnToGI will Ballmer and the patent bullies weld an axe? We shall see... SIP bridge?Jun 02 18:03
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gnufreexThey don't make consumer stuffJun 02 18:03
gnufreexThey wont bother to polish OOoJun 02 18:03
gnufreexThey will just make good raw material that proprietary companies will use to base thier proprietary productJun 02 18:04
gnufreexApache does that for years.Jun 02 18:04
gnufreexThat is how they workJun 02 18:04
gnufreexOut of 100 projects, most are not usable right away.Jun 02 18:05
gnufreexIn fact, only HTTPD and handful of others are really usableJun 02 18:05
gnufreexOthers are just alternatives to GPL'd solutions. Jun 02 18:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #IBM cross-licenses #swpats with Microsoft. It can now make a proprietary OOo (Symphony) *legally* and be the 'safe' OOo version.Jun 02 18:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @fabsh I am not making that arguement, just giving a data point. getting rid of copyright but leaving patents will not help except less timeJun 02 18:06
schestowitzJust got this:Jun 02 18:07
schestowitz> Is this true Roy?:Jun 02 18:07
schestowitz>  Jun 02 18:07
schestowitz> "This means IBM and any other Apache OpenOffice.org project member canJun 02 18:07
schestowitz> innovate the heck out the source code and not be obligated to give backJun 02 18:07
schestowitz> to the mainline OpenOffice.org code, since the ASL is a non-copyleftJun 02 18:07
schestowitz> license. IBM and other OpenOffice.org contributors will also be able toJun 02 18:07
schestowitz> re-license OpenOffice.org code under any license they want, including aJun 02 18:07
schestowitz> proprietary license, should they wish."Jun 02 18:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] 40% chance of rain is a 60% chance of a nice motorcycle ride to work.Jun 02 18:08
gnufreexschestowitz: did you say "yes" ? :-)Jun 02 18:08
gnufreexBecause that is correct answerJun 02 18:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] YouTube encourages creators by adding built-in Creative Commons licensing option. https://eff.org/r.26cJun 02 18:10
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ender_33msb_ whats upJun 02 18:10
ender_33msb_ you rang?Jun 02 18:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] RT @eff YouTube encourages creators by adding built-in Creative Commons licensing option. https://eff.org/r.26cJun 02 18:11
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msb_ Hello Brandon.Jun 02 18:12
schestowitzgnufreex: yesJun 02 18:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Made some more progress on !LO. Now off to a BBQ party.Jun 02 18:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Guy parked like a jackass. We taught him a lesson he will remember. http://imgur.com/9qFLq whoa. Forgot to write posts today... distracted.Jun 02 18:13
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/75186484Jun 02 18:14
TechrightsBot-tr@agentsmith's status on Thursday, 02-Jun-11 17:02:08 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Well, very welcomed move. Now, we Linuxers can talk with msn, skype, Gtalk, etc...Jun 02 18:14
schestowitzDoesn't gaim handle MSN?Jun 02 18:14
schestowitzPidgin..Jun 02 18:14
schestowitzthe sun is finally back to manchesterJun 02 18:16
schestowitzAfter many weeksJun 02 18:16
schestowitzhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/weather/forecast/9Jun 02 18:16
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schestowitzgnufreex: about the war criminalJun 02 18:17
schestowitzThere was a paper lying around todayJun 02 18:17
schestowitzNot that I trust itJun 02 18:17
schestowitzI think Murdoch ownedJun 02 18:17
schestowitzIs there any "other side" to it?Jun 02 18:17
gnufreexschestowitz: West don't let other side speak at all. Jun 02 18:17
schestowitzLOL http://tinyogg.com/watch/KfK27/Jun 02 18:17
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schestowitzgnufreex: but does he have a defence?Jun 02 18:18
schestowitzI read his family says he's unfit to testifyJun 02 18:18
schestowitzBut Hague folks says he was extremely cooperativeJun 02 18:18
schestowitzAnd thet he ordered genocideJun 02 18:18
schestowitzDon't know why and who started what or any contextJun 02 18:18
gnufreexI will give one article about bosnian war, read it when you have timeJun 02 18:18
schestowitzThe West does not like to give too much contextJun 02 18:18
schestowitzgnufreex: thanksJun 02 18:19
gnufreexIt will blow your mind, just wait till I find it.Jun 02 18:19
gnufreexHere it is http://www.hirhome.com/yugo/ihralija1.htm schestowitzJun 02 18:20
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/75187368Jun 02 18:20
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TechrightsBot-tr@agentsmith's status on Thursday, 02-Jun-11 17:14:44 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Yes, Pidgin, Mess, Kopete, the point is: Yes, WE CAN talk and text in those closed proprietary networks. Now, even in skype.Jun 02 18:20
schestowitzgnufreex: is it politically charged?Jun 02 18:20
gnufreexschestowitz: It is writen by the Jew who was disgusted to see what happened to Serbia. And he is a little pro SerbJun 02 18:21
schestowitzhttp://www.google.com/search?hl=&q=Francisco+Gil-White&sourceid=navclient-ff&rlz=1B5GGGL_enGB315GB316&ie=UTF-8Jun 02 18:21
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Francisco Gil-White - Google Search .::. Size~: 91.58 KBJun 02 18:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Choose Ubuntu (new video, not an endorsement) http://is.gd/z98i1K !playoggJun 02 18:21
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schestowitzhttp://genocideinbosnia.blogspot.com/2005/07/rebuttal-of-francisco-gil-whites-gross.htmlJun 02 18:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Genocide in Bosnia: Rebuttal of Francisco Gil-White's Gross Misrepresentation of the Bosnian War .::. Size~: 88.58 KBJun 02 18:22
schestowitzhe seems to have opponentsJun 02 18:22
schestowitzAnd this.. http://emperor.vwh.net/icdsm/Jun 02 18:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Jared Israel on Francisco Gil-White's Slander of Rabbi Stephen Wise as  Wanting the Holocaust .::. Size~: 45.84 KBJun 02 18:22
schestowitzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francisco_Gil-WhiteJun 02 18:22
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ender_33msb_ gotta use my handle or I won't see itJun 02 18:23
schestowitzHe's a political writerJun 02 18:23
schestowitzHow can one trust it?Jun 02 18:24
msb_Jared Israel is a zionist.  -- nastyJun 02 18:24
schestowitzHe does seem to provokeJun 02 18:24
ender_33schestowitz - sounds like a wankerJun 02 18:24
schestowitz"Francisco Gil-White (born July 1969) is an anthropologist who was Assistant Professor of Psychology at the University of Pennsylvania from 2001 to 2006 and lecturer at the Solomon Asch Centre for Study of Ethnopolitical Conflict."Jun 02 18:24
schestowitzWhere is he now?Jun 02 18:24
ender_33msb_ What about Jacob Frank?Jun 02 18:25
msb_ender_33: Never heard of Jacob Frank.Jun 02 18:25
ender_33leader of FrankismJun 02 18:25
schestowitzThat's his personal site http://www.hirhome.com/Jun 02 18:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: :: HiR Historical and Investigative Research :: .::. Size~: 123.94 KBJun 02 18:25
schestowitzSo the summary is one man's opinionJun 02 18:26
schestowitzOh, and he plays a role in the climate science now?Jun 02 18:26
schestowitzWaitJun 02 18:26
schestowitzWhat's his research again?Jun 02 18:26
schestowitzPolitics?Jun 02 18:26
schestowitzClimate?Jun 02 18:26
gnufreexschestowitz: Thing is, west is aware that they did wrong to Serbian interests with meddling it the war, and instead of corecting that, they try to justify it by inventing war crimes and teling that to people. They don't want to admit. Jun 02 18:26
schestowitzhe's not a scientistJun 02 18:26
schestowitzAnd I'm not sure he still works in academiaJun 02 18:26
ender_33He holds a Masters Degree in Social Sciences from the University of Chicago and a PhD in Biological and Cultural Anthropology from UCLA.Jun 02 18:27
schestowitzThat's not a scienceJun 02 18:27
schestowitzNot an exact scienceJun 02 18:27
gnufreexschestowitz: What I know about the war says that he is right. Jun 02 18:27
ender_33I get itJun 02 18:27
schestowitzSocial science is like "nuclear homoeopathy"Jun 02 18:27
gnufreexI read that article recentlyJun 02 18:27
ender_33That's why people say ALL SCIENTISTS AGREE: Climate Change is realJun 02 18:27
ender_33because if you disagree, you are discreditedJun 02 18:27
schestowitzThey have the tools to checkJun 02 18:28
gnufreexThat article didn't take part in forming my opinionJun 02 18:28
schestowitzData, method, knowledge..Jun 02 18:28
schestowitzOthers politicise itJun 02 18:28
schestowitzAgainst papers and politiciansJun 02 18:28
schestowitzI'm trying to find out if he was disgraced from academiaJun 02 18:28
schestowitzFront page: "Jun 02 18:28
schestowitzJun 02 18:28
schestowitz Jun 02 18:28
schestowitzJun 02 18:28
schestowitzIs this website doingJun 02 18:28
ender_33"HE DIDN'T USE A GOVERNEMENT APPROVED SYSTEM FRIENDLY METHOD ALONG WITH PEER REVIEWED RESULTS - HE IS A CHARLETON!!!!"Jun 02 18:28
schestowitz‘conspiracy theory’?Jun 02 18:28
schestowitz"Jun 02 18:28
schestowitzWhy would he even state this?Jun 02 18:29
schestowitz"Am I a paedophile?" "Did I stop beating my wife?"Jun 02 18:29
gnufreexI read the "Islamic Declaration" of Alia Izetbegovic, and it is evil. He wanted the war.Jun 02 18:29
ender_33msb_ I get the picture from your site that you believe the nwo conspiracy is a result of american capitalistsJun 02 18:29
schestowitzNot many people seem to read his site, eitherJun 02 18:30
schestowitztepid ranksJun 02 18:30
schestowitzSo not many citations of itJun 02 18:30
schestowitzgnufreex: not sure I can trust just this one man's opinion as the truthJun 02 18:30
ender_33brain power is not enoughJun 02 18:31
ender_33intuition is requiredJun 02 18:31
schestowitzHe was an RA at the University of PennsylvaniaJun 02 18:31
schestowitzBut apparently got pushed out Jun 02 18:31
schestowitzhttp://www.hirhome.com/aboutus.htmJun 02 18:31
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schestowitz"Francisco Gil-White on FOX-NEWS (Hannity & Colmes)"Jun 02 18:32
schestowitzLOLJun 02 18:32
schestowitzWay to discredit oenselfJun 02 18:32
schestowitzHannityJun 02 18:32
schestowitzIs that before or after some Hannity segment on why Hitler was an atheist and Obama was bon in Kenya to bringm Islamic Revolution to the Land of the Brace?Jun 02 18:33
schestowitz*BraveJun 02 18:33
enthymemeprobably both before and after.Jun 02 18:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Canonical Launches #Ubuntu-Ready Hardware Certification - http://bit.ly/ki3TnQ handy #compatibilityJun 02 18:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fedora/@fedora] We're now accepting bids for a FUDCon in the Asia-Pacific region. http://2tu.us/3cqlJun 02 18:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] ♺ @schestowitz: Choose Ubuntu (new video, not an endorsement) http://is.gd/z98i1K #playogg #ubuntu #gnu #linuxJun 02 18:35
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ender_33I actually like FOX sometimesJun 02 18:36
ender_33I always try not to accept the opinion of the mass publicJun 02 18:36
gnufreexschestowitz: I read his articles about Kosovo and bosina and both are true based on what I knew before. You would need to read lots and lots of history and books to understand situation yourself and form an opinion. What CNN and like are saying is just garbage. Jun 02 18:36
schestowitznot matter of  liksJun 02 18:36
schestowitzaCCURACYJun 02 18:37
ender_33Glen Beck has his biases too but hes not stupidJun 02 18:37
gnufreexIt was VERY complex situationJun 02 18:37
schestowitz*LIKESJun 02 18:37
*schestowitz eatsJun 02 18:37
schestowitzsorry for typosJun 02 18:38
schestowitzender_33: not a matter of wisdomJun 02 18:38
schestowitzBut accuracyJun 02 18:38
schestowitzBeck is manipulativeJun 02 18:38
schestowitzMurdoch and the skanks are using him to rally the rednecks against the DemocratsJun 02 18:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Google Introducing schema.org: #Search engines come together for a richer web - http://bit.ly/kCTHN0 hmm, wonder what this will doJun 02 18:40
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ender_33rednecks?Jun 02 18:40
ender_33so anyone whos not left wing is one?Jun 02 18:40
schestowitz!google beck waltersJun 02 18:41
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Barbara Walters Interviews Glenn Beck: Fox Host on Sarah Palin ... | http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/barbara-walters-interviews-glenn-beck/story%3Fid%3D9269778Jun 02 18:41
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - YouTube - Beck vs. Walter/Whoopi | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DMYqQ9xaGvlgJun 02 18:41
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Barbara Walters Tells Bill O'Reilly: You're Jealous Of Glenn Beck ... | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/12/09/barbara-walters-tells-bil_n_386619.htmlJun 02 18:41
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Walter Beck - The Fable Wiki - Fable, Fable 2, Fable 3, and more | http://fable.wikia.com/wiki/Walter_BeckJun 02 18:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @Copycense We are live Tweeting the @copyrightoffice hearings on federalizing law for pre-1972 sound recordings #usco72 #copyrightJun 02 18:41
schestowitz[18:40] <ender_33> so anyone whos not left wing is one?Jun 02 18:41
schestowitznoJun 02 18:41
schestowitzMan 1: "sound was so loud even dogs could hear it"Jun 02 18:42
schestowitzMan 2: "are you calling me a dog?"Jun 02 18:42
schestowitzYour logic there leaps inductionsJun 02 18:43
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/75187714Jun 02 18:43
TechrightsBot-tr@Danny (tekk)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jun-11 17:19:42 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz you're sending out more dents than anyone else ;PJun 02 18:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @fedora: We're now accepting bids for a FUDCon in the Asia-Pacific region. http://2tu.us/3cqlJun 02 18:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @tekk I don't try to. I just share when I find something worth sharing.Jun 02 18:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @glynmoody @Copycense We are live Tweeting the @copyrightoffice hearings on federalizing law for pre-1972 sound recordings #usco72 ..Jun 02 18:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD .. #copyrightJun 02 18:45
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enthymemeMmm, Glenn Beck. >_OJun 02 18:46
enthymemeI remember the show where he denoucned Net Neutrality as a liberal conspiracy to censor your blog.Jun 02 18:47
gnufreexschestowitz: Thing is, you won't ever hear other side from western media. They created atmosphere where anybody defending Serb side is like defending Hitler. And everybody would end up discredited. Today, even RTS (Serbian national TV) is going by American story, because "we need to get into europe".  I can give you other articles but I find them to have some crazy claims I don't agree with. (like vatican helping muslims and Jun 02 18:50
gnufreexsuch) Jun 02 18:50
schestowitzOK, but the truth might be somehwere in betweenJun 02 18:51
gnufreexIt might.Jun 02 18:52
gnufreexBut I think we'll never knowJun 02 18:52
gnufreexI mean for sureJun 02 18:52
gnufreexSince west media sprading so much lies that it is crazy.Jun 02 18:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] We're coming home! @heatsynclabs gets a new home http://ur1.ca/4bw0j !hackerspacesJun 02 18:53
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schestowitzLet;'s annoy ender_33 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8nrvrkVBt24Jun 02 18:53
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schestowitzIt's all a media conpiracyJun 02 18:53
schestowitz:-)Jun 02 18:53
schestowitzBut Fox tells us the truthJun 02 18:53
schestowitzFox is not the mediaJun 02 18:53
schestowitzIt's unbiased :0)Jun 02 18:53
schestowitz /sarcasmJun 02 18:53
ender_33the best actors in the world are the ones who read the newsJun 02 18:55
ender_33the media is always biased towards the systemJun 02 18:55
ender_33they're all biased in one wayJun 02 18:56
ender_33hegelian dialecticJun 02 18:56
ender_33us vs themJun 02 18:57
gnufreexRuder finn was doing a spin jobJun 02 18:57
gnufreexThat is company that set up public opinion by US abot that waerJun 02 18:58
gnufreexwarJun 02 18:58
gnufreexA PR companyJun 02 18:58
gnufreexAnd later media pick upJun 02 18:58
schestowitz!google fox leak global warming denialJun 02 19:00
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Leaked E-mail Shows Fox News Slanted Coverage of Climate Change on ... | http://www.ethicsdaily.com/leaked-e-mail-shows-fox-news-slanted-coverage-of-climate-change-cms-17225Jun 02 19:00
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Fox News: Drowning in global warming lies | http://act.credoaction.com/campaign/fire_sammon/%3Frc%3Dtw2Jun 02 19:00
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Fox News « Watching the Deniers | https://watchingthedeniers.wordpress.com/category/fox-news/Jun 02 19:00
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Climate Depot's Morano on Fox News Global Warming Coverage: 'It's ... | http://www.climatedepot.com/a/9133/Climate-Depots-Morano-on-Fox-News-Global-Warming-Coverage-Its-an-inspiration-for-journalism-and-its-a-beacon-of-hope-that-Fox-News-gets-itJun 02 19:00
gnufreexI don't worry about global warmingJun 02 19:00
gnufreexThere are things that will kill us beforeJun 02 19:01
schestowitzWe have to worry about these tooJun 02 19:03
schestowitzNot "instead"Jun 02 19:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Tara is doing a ustream.tv videocast about Novacut, the next-gen video platform, in a few mins at http://is.gd/g3T8Bi - join her!Jun 02 19:03
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schestowitzLike stockpile of megaton bombsJun 02 19:03
schestowitzThey could affect the weatjer to the point of killing half of human civilisation after a short afternoonJun 02 19:04
schestowitzAll it takes is some psychopaths like Palin or an accidentJun 02 19:04
schestowitzAccident being more likelyJun 02 19:05
schestowitzIt almost happened some years ago because the Soviet systems are crapJun 02 19:05
schestowitzIn the US IBM handles some of the systems... if that doesn't make you nervous.Jun 02 19:05
schestowitzGuy parked like a jackass. We taught him a lesson he will remember. http://imgur.com/9qFLq Jun 02 19:06
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/75189601Jun 02 19:06
TechrightsBot-tr@Øyvind A. Holm (sunny256)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jun-11 17:44:49 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Awesome. Pretty risky, though. If he's the type that parks like that, he'd probably ram his way out again. How did it turn out?Jun 02 19:06
ender_33thats fine I already know climate scientists are lying to keep their jobsJun 02 19:07
*GoForbes28 (~freakazoi@bas2-kanata16-2925498889.dsl.bell.ca) has joined #techrightsJun 02 19:07
ender_33climategateJun 02 19:07
ender_33im not listening to the media which will tell me to disregard and ignore climategateJun 02 19:07
GoForbes28you listen to media?Jun 02 19:11
GoForbes28lolJun 02 19:12
ender_33I try to avoid it but its nearly impossibleJun 02 19:12
ender_33tecnically speaking, Roy is the mediaJun 02 19:12
ender_33alternative media thoughJun 02 19:12
ender_33which is okJun 02 19:12
ender_33mainstream media is the enemy of truthJun 02 19:13
GoForbes28RMS is alternative media and gave good reasons why to ignore climategateJun 02 19:13
GoForbes28though as I said beforeJun 02 19:14
GoForbes28It's ironic that most competent news agency in Canada is the CBCJun 02 19:14
GoForbes28Then again, low standards beget easy barriers to breakJun 02 19:14
GoForbes28You know, the way our government is set up, it isn't such a bad ideaJun 02 19:15
ender_33even the CBC isn't perfectJun 02 19:15
ender_33they at least told us that BPA is bad for youJun 02 19:15
GoForbes28oh certainly notJun 02 19:15
ender_33"The Disappearing Male"Jun 02 19:15
ender_33a documentary about the decline in male births and the sperm countJun 02 19:16
GoForbes28and they were totally silent on the Wikileaks against Harper involving American influenceJun 02 19:16
GoForbes28But I listen to CBC radio more than I watch TV during the dayJun 02 19:16
GoForbes28A lot of the entertainment shows are quite interestingJun 02 19:16
ender_33I'd rather listen to coast to coast amJun 02 19:16
GoForbes28what's that?Jun 02 19:17
GoForbes28!google coast to coast amJun 02 19:18
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Home - Coast to Coast AM | http://www.coasttocoastam.com/Jun 02 19:18
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Shows - Coast to Coast AM | http://www.coasttocoastam.com/showsJun 02 19:18
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Upcoming Shows - Coast to Coast AM | http://www.coasttocoastam.com/shows/upcomingJun 02 19:18
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Coast to Coast AM - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coast_to_Coast_AMJun 02 19:18
GoForbes28ahhJun 02 19:18
GoForbes28well, I was talking about entertainment showsJun 02 19:18
GoForbes28on CBC radioJun 02 19:18
GoForbes28like the Russell Peters oneJun 02 19:19
GoForbes28hilariousJun 02 19:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] What is organizational health? | http://red.ht/iL9mxH #hackmanagement #cultureJun 02 19:23
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msb_ender_33: " <ender_33> msb_ I get the picture from your site that you believe the nwo conspiracy is a result of american capitalists"Jun 02 19:23
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msb_ender_33: I think NWO leadership are various ultra-wealthy capitalists in banking, weapons, pharma, media, etc, in various countries -- US, England, Israel, and others, and also some very powerful politicians, e.g., the Bush family.Jun 02 19:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Friday's security advisories http://lwn.net/Articles/445828/rssJun 02 19:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Damned In Black by Immortal never stops being an awesome tune. All hail the badgers of black metal.Jun 02 19:26
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msb_ender_33: But you derive very erroneous conclusions about my website and me.Jun 02 19:27
gnufreexmsb_: what is NWO?Jun 02 19:28
msb_ender_33: You say it is "pure communism" because one site I link to has one page with an anti-business recommendation.Jun 02 19:28
msb_gnufreex: New World Order -- a concept for fascist world govt put forth by GHW Bush and various others.Jun 02 19:29
gnufreexOh, that. Is it that still New? Jun 02 19:29
msb_gnufreex: Not very new, but that's what they call it.Jun 02 19:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Great to see my dad, @darkrye still tweeting up a storm. Love him to bits. :-)Jun 02 19:31
msb_This is a very good talk about the NWO.  Good idea to download it, as googlevideo is going away.  http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-4788106431016278751Jun 02 19:32
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ender_33msb_ you claim its entirely the goal of american capitalists then?Jun 02 19:33
msb_This one is also good: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NO24XmP1c5EJun 02 19:34
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ender_33msb_ you ignore the british elite and secret societies such as freemasonry and the illuminati? as well as the ancient orders?Jun 02 19:34
ender_33thats what I call disinfoJun 02 19:35
ender_33lies through omissionJun 02 19:35
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ender_33msb_ the illuminati was exposed hundreds of years ago of trying to do the exact same thing communism achievesJun 02 19:37
msb_ender_33: I don't know how much influence "the british elite and secret societies such as freemasonry and the illuminati as well as the ancient orders" have today.  But the ones I mentioned have a lot.Jun 02 19:38
ender_33you won't find that out in todays socialistic school systemJun 02 19:38
ender_33the people you mention on your site have bossesJun 02 19:38
ender_33it doesnt end at capistalistsJun 02 19:38
ender_33these people control them and the communistsJun 02 19:38
ender_33left and right are parts of the same birdJun 02 19:39
msb_ender_33: You have said labor unions are communist.Jun 02 19:40
ender_33that was based on my researchJun 02 19:41
ender_33they still seem communistJun 02 19:41
msb_ender_33: So how should workers organize in order to have power equal to the corporations and wealthy capitalists?  Or do you think they shouldn't?Jun 02 19:41
ender_33im still against unionsJun 02 19:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Did @fosspatents inform that the lodsys patent was formerly owned by Intellectual Ventures? Whereever there's a #swpat case, MSFT is close.Jun 02 19:41
ender_33i dont see how a union solves that problem by adding another layer of bureaucracyJun 02 19:42
ender_33i've seen unions cause other issues, like poor customer serviceJun 02 19:43
ender_33damaging the education systemJun 02 19:43
ender_33a union makes sure that the worker is the most important part of the business, not the customers or the work itselfJun 02 19:44
msb_With a union, workers can bargain collectively, refusing to work unless they get a good wage.  Individually, workers can't do that, since the employer simply fires them and hires someone else.Jun 02 19:44
ender_33yeah so they go on strike so I can't get my stuff doneJun 02 19:44
ender_33as a customerJun 02 19:44
ender_33with a union, if you have a bad employee the union protects them and keeps them working at their jobJun 02 19:45
msb_So complain to the employer and tell him to pay his workers well.Jun 02 19:45
ender_33they've kept teachers working who shouldn't be teachersJun 02 19:45
ender_33msb_ i shouldn't receive bad customer service because the worker is disgruntled, thats selfishness on the workers partJun 02 19:45
ender_33hes not doing his job if hes a fucking assholeJun 02 19:46
msb_As with all types of organizations, some are honest and rational, and some are corrupt.Jun 02 19:46
ender_33perhaps I believe I should be paid more than my peersJun 02 19:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Why @fosspatents claims Apple should license again with Lodsys fails me. They already had a license for that patent b4 it was sold to lodsysJun 02 19:46
ender_33based on a skill set they dont haveJun 02 19:46
ender_33why should I make the same money as someone who doesntJun 02 19:47
msb_If workers are getting only a small percentage of the company profits, then they are right to refuse to work until they get more.Jun 02 19:47
ender_33msb_ no they are right to do the job they are being paid to do, or quit and go find something betterJun 02 19:47
ender_33dont work a job you hateJun 02 19:47
ender_33thats retardedJun 02 19:47
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ender_33how do you solve the problem of a company just firing everyone who is in a unionJun 02 19:48
ender_33what if you want to work somewhere that has a union, and you don't want to be included because the laws are better?Jun 02 19:48
msb_Sometimes that is not a solution.  All coal mining companies may pay the same unfair low wage, for example.Jun 02 19:48
ender_33then grow a brain and stop being a coal minerJun 02 19:49
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ender_33for the more intelligent, work has become a careerJun 02 19:49
ender_33people pick their careers based on income it may provideJun 02 19:49
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ender_33unintelligent people just do joe jobs to put food on their table and get a roof over their headJun 02 19:50
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ender_33also, careers are picked based on hobbies leading to enjoymentJun 02 19:51
msb_So  you think that the capitalists should set the wage rates and workers should only choose from among those offers. Jun 02 19:51
ender_33workers set the wage rates by quitting if its too lowJun 02 19:52
msb_You think workers should not pressure capitalists to pay a fair percentage of the profits to the workers?Jun 02 19:52
ender_33msb_ you seem to think they are entitled?Jun 02 19:52
ender_33not every business is the same you knowJun 02 19:52
msb_I think they are entitled to a fair percentage of the business profits.Jun 02 19:53
ender_33im sure the unintelligent front line staff have no idea what it takes to run a businessJun 02 19:53
ender_33they're just doing manual labourJun 02 19:53
ender_33msb_ if that is part of their contractJun 02 19:53
ender_33if you have the right skill you can get any job you wantJun 02 19:54
msb_I think that is part of the implied contract of all people born on Earth.Jun 02 19:54
ender_33thats your bargaining chipJun 02 19:54
ender_33msb_ so if I wash windows for microsoft im entitled to a percentage of their profit?Jun 02 19:54
ender_33just by being an earthlingJun 02 19:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Five Things Every Windows User Should Know http://bit.ly/jde4Qh #linux #windows8 #opensourceJun 02 19:55
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ender_33riddle me this thenJun 02 19:55
ender_33if every employee gets a fair share of the profit:Jun 02 19:55
msb_YesJun 02 19:55
ender_331) what happens if I hire 20000000 people, just so I can pay them 0.20 centsJun 02 19:55
ender_332) What incentive does the owner and brains behind the operation get for wanting to even start a company in the first place?Jun 02 19:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fosspatents your TL;DR stuff elegantly avoids the fact that Apple, Google *have* a license for the lodsys paptent B4 it became lodsys ownedJun 02 19:56
ender_33when I worked in salesJun 02 19:57
ender_33people got pissed at the idea of splitting up comission amongst the entire staffJun 02 19:57
msb_1) that makes no sense  2) the owner can take, e.g., 10 or 20 times the money per hour that he pays his workers, but no more.Jun 02 19:57
ender_33because not everyone puts in the same effort on the jobJun 02 19:57
ender_33msb_ 1) you make no senseJun 02 19:57
ender_33if I hire twenty thousand people and I only have to pay them a percentage of profit, what do they get if profit is only $1000 a yearJun 02 19:58
ender_33lolJun 02 19:58
ender_33or any other small number for profitJun 02 19:58
ender_33when there are too many employeesJun 02 19:58
msb_Then you business is malfunctioning.Jun 02 19:59
msb_yourJun 02 19:59
ender_33it will malfunction if you have to expend all your profitsJun 02 19:59
ender_33towards your 'entitled' staffJun 02 19:59
ender_33If I make 50 billion selling a movie, I gotta pay the bus boy a few million dollars?Jun 02 20:00
ender_33even though nothing he did is worth thatJun 02 20:00
ender_33anyways, im not convincedJun 02 20:01
msb_If the movie -- not you -- made 50 billion, you could afford to.Jun 02 20:01
ender_33im not convincedJun 02 20:03
ender_33I could afford to give to all sorts of charitiesJun 02 20:03
ender_33im not going toJun 02 20:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #IBM Needs to Explain Office Suite Patents (and How #BillGates Was Attacking Interoperability With Lotus) http://is.gd/CIqP8m #swpats #odfJun 02 20:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] IBM Needs to Explain Office Suite Patents (and How Bill Gates Was Attacking Interoperability With Lotus) http://is.gd/CIqP8m #symphony #oooJun 02 20:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Why Oracle’s donation of !OpenOffice disappoints "miscommunication and mismanagement of the project" http://ping.fm/2r0UTJun 02 20:03
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msb_ender_33: I think that your ideas are fixed, and you ignore any evidence that people give you, like what I said about coal miners.  So I don't think you will ever be convinced to change your mind about anything.  You will go on thinking that my website -- cosmicpenguin.com -- is "pure communism", and that unions are too.Jun 02 20:05
ender_33anyways im going for lunch, but before I go I must say what I have on my mind and if you want to discuss it further via e-mail you may go ahead. I suggest your site is dangerous because it lures people in who are researching conspiracy; if they stay long enough they will get the impression its all being orchestrated by 'western capitalists' instead of being the agenda that is thousands of years old. Then you redirect them towJun 02 20:06
msb_ender_33: You have several times called me a "shape shifter", presumably because I link to a talk by David Icke, even though it doesn't mention aliens at all.Jun 02 20:06
ender_33that was poking fun of reptiliansJun 02 20:07
ender_33David Icke is an agent tooJun 02 20:07
ender_33the fact you link to him and other new age stuff is scaryJun 02 20:07
msb_ender_33: Your "thinking" methods are scary.Jun 02 20:07
ender_33at least im not working for anyone but myselfJun 02 20:08
ender_33I have to defend my mind against socialist ideology, I was brainwashed by it before.Jun 02 20:09
ender_33anyways, this channel isnt the placeJun 02 20:09
ender_33email if you wantJun 02 20:09
msb_I am working to help the people of the world to have a more kind and cooperative society instead of all the violence, domination and war we have now.Jun 02 20:09
ender_33you're leading people into the world government agendaJun 02 20:09
ender_33thats the only way your utopia COULD workJun 02 20:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] it would appear that the 40% was just a few miles south of PetalumaJun 02 20:10
msb_Absolutely not.Jun 02 20:10
ender_33the entire would would have to do it all at onceJun 02 20:10
ender_33otherwise an enemy country would obliterate youJun 02 20:10
ender_33but anyways, lunch timeJun 02 20:10
ender_33rebut in emailJun 02 20:10
ender_33byeJun 02 20:10
msb_ender_33: I have better things to do.Jun 02 20:10
ender_33msb_ of course, the ark ilk has many tasks for its agentsJun 02 20:11
MinceRsuch as lunch? >:Jun 02 20:12
MinceR:>Jun 02 20:12
msb_ender_33: you are an idiot.Jun 02 20:13
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Securizarea Internetului prin cenzură http://tinyurl.com/68mhg54 #net #eu #censorship #web #romania #internet #politics #securityJun 02 20:16
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Chips_B_MalroyHi all!  Anyone every see this site:  http://www.dwheeler.com/innovation/microsoft.htmlJun 02 20:20
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Chips_B_Malroyits old, but goodJun 02 20:20
Chips_B_MalroyAnybody seen the stories about the Microsoft buying out Nokia rumors?Jun 02 20:22
Chips_B_Malroywhich is what I came here to discuss mostlyJun 02 20:22
Chips_B_MalroyA fellow Linux user told me at the time that Elop made the deal for WP7, that the idea was to destroy Nokia enough for MS to pick it up cheaply.Jun 02 20:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] Thanks to !YouTube for finally supporting a !FreeCulture license, but what about the !copyleft !CC BY-SA license? http://redd.it/hq54jJun 02 20:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Browser Wars: Chrome winning, IE losing http://is.gd/nOJvdZ #microsoft #google #web #software #internet #firefox #mozilla #ie #safariJun 02 20:25
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Chips_B_MalroyI did not believe that at the time, but after looking at the stock price and how they are not profitable now since Elop set the sail for the heart of the iceburg (with the WP7), maybe.Jun 02 20:26
Chips_B_MalroyOf course they will deny MS is trying to buy them.  Part of any deal is non disclosure.  Elop being a Trojan Mole type of CEO, he knows where the bread and butter comes from.Jun 02 20:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] ASUS new EeePC now available with Ubuntu operating system http://is.gd/LNASqP #asus #eepc #microsoft #windows #software #ubuntu #gnu #linuxJun 02 20:28
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Chips_B_MalroyWhy buy the cow when you already bought a supply of the milk for years?   Because the price of the cow just might becomming less than the price of the milk.Jun 02 20:29
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Chips_B_MalroyAlso, look at the timing.   MS just paid 8.5 billion for Skype.  Is Nokia worth 19.5 billion to MS.Jun 02 20:29
Chips_B_MalroyBy next quarter Nokia will be worth even less.Jun 02 20:30
Chips_B_MalroyAnd MS will not have DOJ Antitrust Oversite to contend with which makes this sale easier for them.Jun 02 20:31
Chips_B_MalroyMS just came out of that and turned around and bought Skype.Jun 02 20:31
Chips_B_MalroyIf MS money is being sheltered mostly overseas as to avoid taxes in the USA, then Nokia is a good cheap buy for MS, as Nokia is a foreign company based in Finland.Jun 02 20:33
Chips_B_MalroySome links:  http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/jun/02/nokia-chief-denies-microsoft-takeoverJun 02 20:34
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Chips_B_Malroy"A number of bloggers speculated that a deal with Microsoft had either already been done ? with some quoting a figure of $19bn (£11.6bn) ? or that it was being prepared for some time in the next month or so."Jun 02 20:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] “Windows 8 Sounds Like It’s Basically Windows Phone 7 on a PC” http://is.gd/BgmJWv #windows #spin #tablet #gnu #linuxJun 02 20:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fedora/@fedora] .@arstechnica reviews Fedora 15 "Lovelock" with Gnome 3 and systemd: http://2tu.us/3cqqJun 02 20:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] “Windows 8 Sounds Like It’s Basically Windows Phone 7 on a PC” http://is.gd/BgmJWv #android #spin #pr #wp7Jun 02 20:36
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/02/nokia_crisis_do_not_shoot_the_pianist/Jun 02 20:37
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Chips_B_Malroy"And while we are certainly watching a dramatic destruction of shareholder value ? this will be a terrible year for Nokia ? it's worth remembering that three bad quarters are not necessarily fatal to a company."Jun 02 20:38
schestowitz[20:31] <Chips_B_Malroy> And MS will not have DOJ Antitrust Oversite to contend with which makes this sale easier for them.Jun 02 20:39
Chips_B_Malroy"Elop was forced to rip up the revenue and margins forecasts he made for the entire year in February, announcing Nokia's "big switch" away from developing its own Meego and Symbian platforms, to paying royalties to use Windows Phone. Sales would be significantly lower, and margins weaker, than the company had predicted back then. Nokia said it wouldn't make any more forecasts for the year, which is very unusual. In other words, it was already Jun 02 20:39
schestowitzMicrosoft wants Nokia's patentsJun 02 20:39
Chips_B_Malroyover the cliff edge, but didn't know when it would hit the ground."Jun 02 20:39
schestowitzWith them, Microsoft can extort Android and hypePhone more easilyJun 02 20:39
Chips_B_Malroythat tooJun 02 20:39
schestowitzOh, I promised not to type hypePhoneJun 02 20:39
schestowitzAnyway, to them it's about taxing OSesJun 02 20:39
schestowitzMicrosoft is a tax companyJun 02 20:39
schestowitzIf not their own making, then others'Jun 02 20:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Get Ready for LibreOffice 3.4 http://is.gd/1NAqvv #odf #lo #ooo #libreoffice #software #office #microsoft #msoffice #gnu #linuxJun 02 20:40
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schestowitzLOLJun 02 20:40
schestowitzWho said it, Elop?Jun 02 20:40
schestowitzHe IS the Microsoft takeoverJun 02 20:40
Chips_B_MalroyBut it also wants to control the market and create another monopoly.  That is the thing that Bill and his apprentise Stevie B always try to get first.Jun 02 20:40
schestowitzBill Gates says he's not heading the Gates FloundationJun 02 20:40
schestowitzFloudering the world..Jun 02 20:41
Chips_B_MalroyBill has no problem with the truthJun 02 20:41
Chips_B_Malroyhe simply avoids itJun 02 20:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is fabsh with 215 dents!Jun 02 20:41
Chips_B_MalroyNokia is almost ripe for the pickingJun 02 20:41
schestowitzNovell wasJun 02 20:42
schestowitzNot pickedJun 02 20:42
schestowitzYahoo..Jun 02 20:42
schestowitzAdd to the listJun 02 20:42
schestowitzA company of thugs assimilates the oppositionJun 02 20:42
schestowitzI can't think of any other company which does thisJun 02 20:42
schestowitzMicrosoft has to spend almost no money to acehieve thisJun 02 20:42
schestowitzBought Novell for a mere 300mkJun 02 20:42
schestowitzAnd Nokia maybe at 2bnJun 02 20:43
schestowitzYahoo at no cost other than timeJun 02 20:43
Chips_B_MalroyThe ecomony is tanking and everyone (consumers and stockholders) are abandoning Nokia.  Thanks to the brillant tactors of Trojan Elop of using WP7, the phone OS that is selling in about last place.Jun 02 20:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Mangalia, Constanța și Medgidia, 2 iunie 2011 http://is.gd/Jz3wsI #romania #monarchyJun 02 20:43
schestowitzAnd got away without any Microsoft exec in jailJun 02 20:43
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schestowitzProxy fights are legal in the USJun 02 20:43
schestowitzAnd bribery too, if you call it incentive or somethingJun 02 20:43
schestowitzEuphemism a day keeps the regulators a bay :-)Jun 02 20:43
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: it doesn't need to sellJun 02 20:44
schestowitzSee, this is what I was trying to explainJun 02 20:44
schestowitzWP7 does not NEED TO SELLJun 02 20:44
Chips_B_MalroyYou can bet that MS at the very least will buy in "to support" Nokia when the price further drops on next quarters results.  At the very least if not an buyout.Jun 02 20:44
schestowitzIt's there so that Microsoft doesn't get called "patent troll"Jun 02 20:44
schestowitzWhile it's extorting the competitionJun 02 20:44
schestowitzMicrosoft makes more money when HTC sells an Android phone than when it sells WP7Jun 02 20:44
schestowitzSame for Samsung, LG and othersJun 02 20:45
Chips_B_MalroyyesJun 02 20:45
schestowitzMicrosoft is changing business practices... not its ownJun 02 20:45
schestowitzIt's distorting what business in phones meamnsJun 02 20:45
schestowitzIt means distributing taxes to Microsoft's trolls and MicrosoftJun 02 20:45
schestowitzInc. IVJun 02 20:45
schestowitzNathan the criminal who smiles cause the law is not enough to arrest him for what he does to the worldJun 02 20:45
Chips_B_MalroyHow about Motorolla?  They continue to fight MS on the lawsuit over Android?Jun 02 20:45
schestowitzYes, they doJun 02 20:45
schestowitzB&N tooJun 02 20:46
schestowitzMicrosoft extorts and suesJun 02 20:46
schestowitzHopefully the government will step inJun 02 20:46
schestowitzBut don't count on itJun 02 20:46
Chips_B_MalroyIf MS loses that one, then their trolling and racketeering scams are in danger.Jun 02 20:46
schestowitzMaybe the USPTO will be thrown in the binJun 02 20:46
schestowitzAnd the cases and "royalties" on Android wiyth it...Jun 02 20:46
schestowitzBut Microosft wants NokiaJun 02 20:46
schestowitzNokia has HJARDWARE patentsJun 02 20:46
schestowitzNot just in the USJun 02 20:46
Chips_B_MalroyThe gov, is in Bills pocket here.Jun 02 20:46
schestowitzSo even if swpats did, Microsoft and its mole Elop can assure more trollincomeJun 02 20:47
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: of courseJun 02 20:47
schestowitzBill bought the pressJun 02 20:47
schestowitzSaint BIlliaJun 02 20:47
Chips_B_Malroythe gov, jumps to another string just like puppet StevieJun 02 20:47
schestowitz!gogle clinton bill gatesJun 02 20:47
schestowitz!ogogle clinton bill gatesJun 02 20:47
schestowitz!google clinton bill gatesJun 02 20:47
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Exclusive: Bill Clinton and Bill Gates on AIDS - TODAY.com | http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/13910240/ns/today/t/exclusive-bill-clinton-bill-gates-aids/Jun 02 20:47
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Bill Clinton, Bill Gates Press US Congress for More Spending on ... | http://www.voanews.com/english/news/health/Bill-Clinton-Bill-Gates-Press-US-Congress-for-More-Spending-on-Global-Health-87266432.htmlJun 02 20:47
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - YouTube - Bill Clinton, Bill Gates Push Spending for Global Health | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Djdl_eog2ixwJun 02 20:47
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Caption Contest: Bill Gates and Bill Clinton | http://www.consumerismcommentary.com/caption-contest-bill-gates-and-bill-clinton/Jun 02 20:47
Chips_B_MalroyThe Press, another stringJun 02 20:47
schestowitzYesJun 02 20:47
schestowitzFor influenceJun 02 20:47
schestowitzLobbyist #1Jun 02 20:47
schestowitzMicrosoft is a movementJun 02 20:48
schestowitzLed by BillJun 02 20:48
Chips_B_MalroySo, question?Jun 02 20:48
schestowitzMicrosoft is one of his gamepiecesJun 02 20:48
schestowitzHe has othersJun 02 20:48
schestowitzThat's why he spends less time with MicrosoftJun 02 20:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Acolo unde nu-i durere, nici întristare, nici eroare de paritate http://is.gd/qNoL8x #romania #cemetery #software #egovtJun 02 20:48
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schestowitzFor world domination he needs more piecesJun 02 20:48
schestowitz!google goldman sachs bill gatesJun 02 20:48
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Microsoft, Goldman Sachs and IQ -- Thursday, July 29, 2004 | http://archives.emergic.org/archives/indi/009435.phpJun 02 20:48
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Gates Foundation Buys Ecolab Inc., Goldman Sachs, Monsanto Company ... | http://www.gurufocus.com/news/104835/Jun 02 20:48
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Op-Ed Contributor - Big Profits, Big Questions - NYTimes.com | http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/15/opinion/15cohan.htmlJun 02 20:48
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Bill Gates Dumps His Microsoft Shares and Buys Shares Of Goldman ... | http://techrights.org/2010/08/23/gates-foundation-financial-contributions/Jun 02 20:48
schestowitz!google bp bill gatesJun 02 20:48
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - What BP Can Teach Bill Gates About Sustainability | http://www.triplepundit.com/2011/05/bp-could-teach-bill-gates-about-sustainability/Jun 02 20:48
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - BP totally owns Bill Gates – istartedsomething | http://www.istartedsomething.com/20060728/bp-totally-owns-bill-gates/Jun 02 20:48
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - “The Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation Owns Over 7 Million Shares ... | http://techrights.org/2010/06/07/bp-gates-foundation-numbers/Jun 02 20:48
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Bill Gates Top Holdings (ABT, AN, BRK-A, BP, CNI, CAT, KO, COST ... | http://247wallst.com/2009/02/17/bill-gates-top-holdings-abt-an-brk-a-bp-cni-cat-ko-cost-cci-ek-xom-fmx-jnj-mcd-ottr-rsg-sgp-wmt-wmi/Jun 02 20:48
schestowitz!google exxonbill gatesJun 02 20:48
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Khosla Calls Exxon Algae Project 'Pipe Dream' - Let's Have a ... | http://seekingalpha.com/instablog/378432-bill-paul/74620-khosla-calls-exxon-algae-project-pipe-dream-let-s-have-a-contestJun 02 20:48
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Sep 30, 2008 Paying to learn seems odd - BAEO - Black Alliance for ... | http://ohio.baeo.org/%3Fnews_section_id%3D1%26news_id%3D1422Jun 02 20:48
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Walmart's contributions? | http://www.lompocrecord.com/news/opinion/mailbag/article_228bbba2-2290-11e0-83d4-001cc4c03286.htmlJun 02 20:48
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Bill and Melinda Gates Foundation Trust Portfolio - 2011 Stock ... | http://stockpickr.com/link/2531Jun 02 20:48
schestowitz!google walmart bill gatesJun 02 20:48
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TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Bill & Melinda Gates Foundation Buys Expedia Inc., Walmart Stores ... | http://www.gurufocus.com/news/94844/Jun 02 20:48
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schestowitz!google coca cola bill gatesJun 02 20:49
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Bill Gates - Coke Commercial (Coca-Cola) | http://video.google.com/videoplay%3Fdocid%3D2428643356101239067Jun 02 20:49
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Bill Gates acquires 29.9% of Mexico's Coca-Cola Femsa – Mexico ... | http://www.mexico.vg/businesses/bill-gates-acquires-mexicos-coca-cola-femsa/3492Jun 02 20:49
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Bill Gates Just Spent $51 Million on this Stock | TopStockAnalysts.com | http://www.topstockanalysts.com/index.php/2011/05/26/bill-gates-just-spent-51-million-on-this-stock/Jun 02 20:49
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - YouTube - COCA COLA BILL GATES | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DhB01jN-xes4Jun 02 20:49
schestowitz!google monsanto cola bill gatesJun 02 20:49
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Gates Foundation Helps Bring Coca-Cola and Monsanto (GMO) to ... | http://techrights.org/2010/06/28/neocolonialism-by-famous-capitalists/Jun 02 20:49
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Bill Gates, big money, and dubious philanthropy | eats shoots 'n ... | http://richardbrenneman.wordpress.com/2011/05/15/bill-gates-big-money-and-dubious-philanthropy/Jun 02 20:49
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Why is the Gates foundation investing in GM giant Monsanto? | John ... | http://www.guardian.co.uk/global-development/poverty-matters/2010/sep/29/gates-foundation-gm-monsantoJun 02 20:49
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Deadline Live • View topic - Bill Gates buys 500000 stock shares ... | http://www.jackbloodforum.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php%3Ff%3D2%26t%3D26853Jun 02 20:49
schestowitzFood Jun 02 20:49
schestowitzDrinksJun 02 20:49
schestowitzCropsJun 02 20:49
schestowitzFuelJun 02 20:49
schestowitzEnergyJun 02 20:49
schestowitzSoftwareJun 02 20:49
schestowitzWhat else?Jun 02 20:49
schestowitzBilly gets aroundJun 02 20:49
schestowitzHe buys the press to suppress criticismJun 02 20:49
schestowitzEven those who did his PR turned against him once they realised how he had manipulated themJun 02 20:50
Chips_B_MalroyWhat do you think the worth of Nokia will be in 4 more months?  As fast as Elop is destroying Nokia, it is still vastly undervalued if MS buys it and chops it and sells most of it.  Or goes in with others and splits parts of it up.  Saving only the parts they want.Jun 02 20:50
schestowitzBut they are out of the job nowJun 02 20:50
schestowitzThey didn't play by his rules, so the Gates-funded media dumped themJun 02 20:50
schestowitzChips_B_Malroy: doesn't matterJun 02 20:50
schestowitzElop will put patents in a cracker saleJun 02 20:50
schestowitz!google elop nokia patentsJun 02 20:50
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Elop Says Nokia Deal is About Patents | http://lxnews.org/2011/02/21/elop-says-nokia-deal-is-about-patents/Jun 02 20:50
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Exclusive: Nokia's Stephen Elop Talks About How He Made His Big OS ... | http://allthingsd.com/20110210/exclusive-nokias-stephen-elop-talks-about-how-he-made-his-big-os-decision/Jun 02 20:50
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Elop-led Nokia and Bill Gates Lobby Europe Amid New Push Ushering ... | http://techrights.org/2011/04/13/elop-led-nokia-and-bill-gates-lobby-europe-amid-new-push-ushering-in-software-patents/Jun 02 20:50
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Microsoft's Nokia 'Deal' is More Like a Takeover, Patents Pose a ... | http://techrights.org/2011/02/11/elop-pours-gasoline/Jun 02 20:50
schestowitzGuess who gets precedence in case of the sale?Jun 02 20:51
schestowitzMaybe CPTNJun 02 20:51
schestowitzMaybe IVJun 02 20:51
schestowitzQuite likely MicrosoftJun 02 20:51
Chips_B_MalroyLikelyJun 02 20:51
Chips_B_MalroyveryJun 02 20:51
schestowitzAnd Stephen nElop will have another chance to smile on stage like a boy with candy, with Stephen Ballmer his bossJun 02 20:51
schestowitzDid he actually buy some Nokia shares at the endJun 02 20:52
schestowitz?Jun 02 20:52
schestowitzKnowing it was about to nosedive as pat of the plan..?Jun 02 20:52
schestowitzOur predictions are usually corectJun 02 20:52
schestowitzWatch this log in one yearJun 02 20:52
Chips_B_MalroyEither way you look at it, Nokia is fast becoming, if not already, a target for a hostile takeover.Jun 02 20:53
Chips_B_MalroyThat is if MS does not already have a deal with themJun 02 20:53
schestowitzI should dent this tooJun 02 20:53
schestowitzJust in caseJun 02 20:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Microsoft wants to destroy #Nokia and get its *hardware* patents cheaply (not just #swpats ) to extort *all* Android sellers. #tax MicrosoftJun 02 20:55
Chips_B_MalroyAs the price of Nokia Stock is likely to continue to drop with the help of the brillant leadership of Elop, a takeover becomes more and more a logical outcome.Jun 02 20:55
Chips_B_MalroyRoy, while I never believed that MS would buy the whole cow (Nokia) at the time, now I am not so sure.Jun 02 20:56
Chips_B_MalroyMS has always wanted to move into producing its own computers, and owning a hardware company.  Xbox does not count, someone in China makes that for them.Jun 02 20:57
Chips_B_MalroyMS has been prevented from doing this because of DOJ oversite.Jun 02 20:58
Chips_B_Malroywas just expiredJun 02 20:58
Chips_B_MalroyNokia is a phone hardware/software company.  But I believe they were making a netbook as well?Jun 02 20:59
Chips_B_MalroyBut think of the smartphone more as a small computer.Jun 02 20:59
Chips_B_MalroyIt would put MS more into the catagory of what Apple does.Jun 02 21:00
Chips_B_MalroyA takeover by someone else other than MS of Nokia would not be as bad prehaps.Jun 02 21:01
Chips_B_MalroyNokia thanks to the efforts of the Trojan Elop, has become like a pair of Soviet aria made shoes, worth more for the parts used than the finished pair of shoes.Jun 02 21:03
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/75198645Jun 02 21:04
TechrightsBot-tr@Claudio (claudiom)'s status on Thursday, 02-Jun-11 19:51:50 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz That wouldn't surprise me in the least.Jun 02 21:04
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/conversation/72756341#notice-75198645Jun 02 21:04
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schestowitz[20:56] <Chips_B_Malroy> Roy, while I never believed that MS would buy the whole cow (Nokia) at the time, now I am not so sure.Jun 02 21:05
schestowitzNokia also makes tires and boots, IIRCJun 02 21:05
schestowitzOhJun 02 21:05
schestowitzYou mentioned thisJun 02 21:05
schestowitz[21:03] <Chips_B_Malroy> Nokia thanks to the efforts of the Trojan Elop, has become like a pair of Soviet aria made shoes, worth more for the parts used than the finished pair of shoes.Jun 02 21:06
Chips_B_Malroywell then, maybe I should have changed my ananology from shoes to boots?Jun 02 21:06
Chips_B_Malroyspelling on 'aria'  please feel free to change anything I misspellJun 02 21:06
Chips_B_Malroyor typoJun 02 21:06
schestowitzI saw thatJun 02 21:07
schestowitzcontext helps fix it mentallyJun 02 21:07
Chips_B_MalroyI am not the best speller Jun 02 21:07
Chips_B_MalroysorryJun 02 21:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Nokia thanks to the efforts of the Trojan Elop, has become like a pair of Soviet aria made shoes..."Jun 02 21:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "... worth more for the parts used than the finished pair of shoes." ~MalroyJun 02 21:08
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Chips_B_MalroyThis might be too big a fish for Paul Singer to eat.Jun 02 21:10
Chips_B_Malroy19 billionJun 02 21:10
Chips_B_Malroybut the price is going downJun 02 21:10
schestowitzEwww...Jun 02 21:11
schestowitzSingerJun 02 21:11
schestowitzMake a jail cell for him in the CaymanJun 02 21:11
ender_3315:09 < msb_> ender_33: you are an idiot.Jun 02 21:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Ethical Software: A Proposal http://is.gd/gOPpIu promoting ethics through softwareJun 02 21:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Ethical Software: A Proposal http://is.gd/gOPpIu !techrightsJun 02 21:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Thank you @vinzveg for adding the 200th relay to the Tor network for the #TorChallenge!Jun 02 21:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] So much spam in Twitter this week (fake users with dodgy URLs)... it makes the experience there agonising at times.Jun 02 21:11
ender_33A Genuine Thanks!!! :)Jun 02 21:11
Chips_B_MalroyNovell went cheap.  something like 2.6billion, and Novell already had 900 million in cash reservesJun 02 21:11
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Chips_B_Malroyagreed on Singer.  same on IcahnJun 02 21:12
Chips_B_MalroyQuestion is, is this too big a buy for some of the corporate raiders to go after, Nokia has to be looking tasty to them now.Jun 02 21:13
schestowitz[21:12] <Chips_B_Malroy> agreed on Singer.  same on IcahnJun 02 21:13
schestowitzwhy did they last this longJun 02 21:13
schestowitzThey did so much damage to so many peopleJun 02 21:13
schestowitzAnd they are still out there like serial killersJun 02 21:13
schestowitzThey killl with debtJun 02 21:13
schestowitzNot with knivesJun 02 21:13
Chips_B_Malroymore like parasitesJun 02 21:13
schestowitzAnd make families lose their incomeJun 02 21:13
schestowitzWhat some do in silocon vally by innovating these hawks just dismantleJun 02 21:14
schestowitzTo innovation they are like the "anti-Christ" to borrow a metaphorJun 02 21:14
schestowitz"Investor-activist" LOLJun 02 21:14
schestowitzGiving a bad name to activismJun 02 21:15
GoForbes28schestowitz: CBC had additional information on gov't computer hacking last dec.Jun 02 21:15
Chips_B_MalroyThere is no end to greed it seems for the very rich.Jun 02 21:15
GoForbes28don't have link, but you should keep your eyes out for the story; good Windows <> gov't evidenceJun 02 21:15
Chips_B_MalroyNokia is going down so fast, and it has not hit the bottom yet, someone or MS will do it.Jun 02 21:17
GoForbes28will be back sunday at the latestJun 02 21:17
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ender_33Microsoft should be charged for giving source code to ChinaJun 02 21:20
Chips_B_MalroyReally believe that the only way the patent issue in going be solved (outlawed) here in the USA is if the lawsuits quickly muliply to the point that 1. the tv press covers it all the time  2. the court system becomes so overworked with it that the supreme court strikes down software patents.Jun 02 21:21
Chips_B_Malroyender> yesJun 02 21:21
Chips_B_Malroyand for many other abuses as wellJun 02 21:21
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Chips_B_MalroyRoy>  You been following the economic news here in the USA?  Its very bad.Jun 02 21:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Having a nice Médoc to end a nice, sunny day with....Jun 02 21:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @Copycense Pariser, RIAA: "there is [virtually] zero value to a sound recording in the public domain." except to humanity #copyrightJun 02 21:30
Chips_B_Malroymore from the last link:  http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/06/02/nokia_crisis_do_not_shoot_the_pianist/page2.htmlJun 02 21:35
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Chips_B_Malroysecond pageJun 02 21:35
Chips_B_Malroy"This week Elop pledged to bring a Windows Phone to market sooner rather than later, suggesting it would most likely appear in 2011 after all. But why rush? Nokia will have two more bad quarters in 2011, and this may turn into three or four. In the 1990s, Apple saw its revenue halve, and in one year endured losses of 15 per cent of revenues. A company can crawl back from the brink. But a poorly differentiated or buggy range of new products Jun 02 21:35
Chips_B_Malroywill have much direr consequences for Nokia, and make it very difficult to tell any kind of "comeback story"."Jun 02 21:35
Chips_B_MalroyYes, get WP7 out there on Nokia right away Mr. Elop, as custermers just can't wait to buy WP7.  Just ask MS for its sales figures, err, whoops, what sales?Jun 02 21:37
Chips_B_Malroyrant overJun 02 21:37
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Chips_B_MalroyJust reading your WP8 storyJun 02 21:40
Chips_B_MalroyI have been thinking of what the user interface looks like on WP7 and W8, which we know know is the same one.Jun 02 21:41
Chips_B_MalroyWhile MS claims it came from Zune software development, I think its origins go but much further.Jun 02 21:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Copyright Office joins in: let's make illegal #streaming a felony - http://bit.ly/j5UQAa surely quicker just to arrest everyone under 35?Jun 02 21:43
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Chips_B_MalroyGo back further paste the tiles, past the touch screen and what do you have?Jun 02 21:43
Chips_B_MalroyYou have Microsoft Bob, repackaged.Jun 02 21:44
Chips_B_MalroyWell ok, the tiles do slide, wow.Jun 02 21:45
Chips_B_MalroyBut in many ways Bob and Wp7 menu work similarlyJun 02 21:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Civic #Commons taps tech to make government work better and cost less - http://oreil.ly/jubsX8 "$250,000 of funding from Omidyar Network"Jun 02 21:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] This Médoc is fucking amazing.Jun 02 21:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #HTC Opens Sense UI to Developers with OpenSense & New HTCDev Program - http://rww.to/jBwjDN but not #opensource, methinksJun 02 21:48
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @andyc: This is more like it. I have 'Mint on pillow'!Jun 02 21:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Lodsys Patent Attacks on #Android (Linux) Developers Come From Microsoft’s Former CTO http://is.gd/8ktzjz #linux #swpats #extortionJun 02 21:53
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Chips_B_MalroyMS still has some big companies left to buyJun 02 21:53
Chips_B_Malroyif it true they have as much money sitting around as they claim to.Jun 02 21:54
Chips_B_Malroyok later allJun 02 21:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Lodsys Patent Attacks on Android (Linux) Developers Come From Microsoft’s Former CTO http://is.gd/8ktzjz #patents #apple #patenttroll #usptoJun 02 21:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @eff Thank you @vinzveg for adding the 200th relay to the Tor network for the #TorChallenge!Jun 02 22:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] #SCOTUS Helps the Monopolists, Not the Citizens of the United States (Again) http://is.gd/a9utVc impatient with so-called 'justice'Jun 02 22:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] SCOTUS Helps the Monopolists, Not the Citizens of the United States (Again) http://is.gd/a9utVc #swpats #bilski #microsoft #googleJun 02 22:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks wins top UK journalism prize http://bit.ly/kA39VTJun 02 22:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] The Houuuuuur of Slaaaaaack #1311. !subgeniusJun 02 22:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Photoshop isn't free" http://i.imgur.com/YX1ji.gif A lighter side (non-news, but new) #Photoshop makes you a bad personJun 02 22:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Kudos to Peter Jaszi and @paufder for helping spread the word on fair use. https://eff.org/r.56f #FairUseJun 02 22:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] For all my graphics work I use http://www.gimp.org/ - made/edited about 10,000 images in it since ~2001. #gimp #gnu #graphics #freedomJun 02 22:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @reality: Also after the exam I became drunk, sat on the beach and then coded a lot of Javascript. #todayinadentJun 02 22:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] 2008 Château de Panigon is #WIN :)Jun 02 22:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @wikileaks2 WikiLeaks wins top UK journalism prize http://bit.ly/kA39VT >> power to Julian. Fight for us, the real people.Jun 02 22:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] If #Assange gets enough awards, it will become hard for the sociopaths and warmongers to harm him. See #Pauling #Pinter #Stallman and othersJun 02 22:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @x11r5 @fendus Correct me if you want someJun 02 22:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @evan Have a safe flight. Hope you enjoy Germany. :)Jun 02 22:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] ♻ @ElNushio: I have to admit that the new #FPCA is extremely clear and easy to understand. Thanks to all who wrote it!Jun 02 22:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh I can believe that. One of the reasons I always buy second hand is they're actually more reliable, and Greener of course; win winJun 02 22:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I've posted 2ce about belief; what an odd coincidenceJun 02 22:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @rrix ♻ @ElNushio: I have to admit that the new #FPCA is extremely clear and easy to understand. Thanks to all who wrote it!Jun 02 22:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @ghotir 1st time I've seen a #Bitcoin address (for donation) in an #Android market app description http://status.ghotir.us/attachment/704Jun 02 22:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @eff Kudos to Peter Jaszi and @paufder for helping spread the word on fair use. https://eff.org/r.56f #FairUseJun 02 22:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] This kid selling his kidney for an ipad http://goo.gl/ESBxu is still disturbing me. I can't get rid a sad feeling about it.Jun 02 22:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Ask Ars: Do solid-state drives cause problems with sleep mode? (Ars): http://bit.ly/iEFGAQJun 02 22:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] I think I must have #rhinovirus or #bronchitisJun 02 22:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @meegoblog: Watch Acer Demo Their First MeeGo Tablet The 10-inch Acer Iconia Tab M500 http://nowskip.to/kyXvtVJun 02 22:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] @fontana You rock, good sir!Jun 02 22:31
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Spoofing Locations Made Easy By Robert Vamosi http://bit.ly/jeId7BJun 02 22:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fosspatents I don't need your TL;DR exactly *because* I understand what's going on.Jun 02 22:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @fosspatents even after reading your TL;DR I still fail to see whzere you mentioned that Apple/GOOG licensed *before* Lodsys bougth itJun 02 22:48
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Chips_B_Malroyhttp://www.dwheeler.com/essays/software-patents.html   A lot of good stuff you can useJun 02 22:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Does anyone have any recommendations for a 2nd hand !Android phone? (yr old ot so) I like buying 2nd hand. Thinking of Samsung Galaxy?Jun 02 22:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Asus to ship #Ubuntu netbooks http://is.gd/bd13LY finding a unity with OEMsJun 02 22:51
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Chips_B_MalroyMr. Wheeler did a lot of documentationJun 02 22:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #PCLinuxOS 2011 Preview Graphics http://is.gd/WdyaLZ another #mandriva /riva derivativeJun 02 22:53
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] A quantum take on certainty : Nature News "iconic double-slit experiment, uncertainty can be eased" http://ping.fm/Yv0dfJun 02 22:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @windigo: @fabsh @jonkulp is in a whale? Outlaws, ASSEMBLE!Jun 02 22:56
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Early women had wanderlust left home after adolescence but their men lived and died near their birthplace http://ping.fm/fEL52Jun 02 23:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] o/ RT @sdtimes: Congratulations to W3C (@w3c) – recognized in the #SDTimes100 Influencer category. http://ow.ly/58WUuJun 02 23:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Fedora 15 #LXDE review http://is.gd/Vf5KT6 "It is usable by all, but not yet at the level of a #KDE desktop."Jun 02 23:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Why +1 Could Crush Facebook http://bit.ly/ix9hNyJun 02 23:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @fabsh @silner Buying HDDs second hand is madness IMHO. They don't travel well.Jun 02 23:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Bill Keller has stepped down as editor in chief of the New York Times to concentrate on writing about Julian Assange's dirty socks (again).Jun 02 23:05
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @fabsh I meant I buy 2nd hand devices; computers, phones etc, always have done, all except food and shoes in factJun 02 23:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Review: #LinuxMint 11 "Katya" GNOME "Linux Mint is currently my favorite Linux distribution of all"Jun 02 23:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "seems that IBM and the ASF are encouraging individuals from the LibreOffice world to sign on as 'Initial Committers'" http://is.gd/OqUDNfJun 02 23:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @jezra: @windigo This is a great excuse for MS/skype to change the protocol and only release an updated Win/Mac client.Jun 02 23:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Linux's 'Killer Feature': Impossible to Choose Just One http://is.gd/zg1bp5 #gnu #linuxJun 02 23:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Kernel Log: Hardware and "3.0" difficulties http://is.gd/jFTJX7 #linux #development #kernelJun 02 23:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @schestowitz Linux's 'Killer Feature': Impossible to Choose Just One http://is.gd/zg1bp5 #gnu #linuxJun 02 23:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @ashcrow: @bkuhn YES! People skirt around the spirit of the GPL on the web. Long live #AGPL!Jun 02 23:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] RT @NeelieKroesEU: Admirable. BBC News - Japan pensioners volunteer to tackle nuclear crisis - http://bbc.in/lB5GGmJun 02 23:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] LBE Privacy Guard Monitors and Controls What Permissions Your !Android Apps Have http://ping.fm/RO8gkJun 02 23:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] ♺ @reality: need to stay awakeJun 02 23:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] Houdini Roadshow is the shits!Jun 02 23:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Why YouTube Adopting Creative Commons Is a Big Deal http://ping.fm/35f7IJun 02 23:53
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