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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Cyber Weapons: The New Arms Race - BusinessWeek http://j.mp/pKtvaj | Jul 23 00:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @fontana Important to someone's bottom line? Or important to everyone's Freedom? | Jul 23 00:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Server 500's, no logs ANYWHERE. #thingsihateaboutwebdevelopment | Jul 23 00:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Facts: Lives have been lost, more lives have been changed, for the worse, forever. This is no time to profiteer from propaganda | Jul 23 00:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @muungwana: and what would you say if they did? another round of world wide colonialism? :-) -- Wow you are *great* at sidestepping | Jul 23 00:07 | |
| Richard Stallman condemned the charges against Aaron | Jul 23 00:07 | |
| http://stallman.org/archives/2011-may-aug.html#22_July_2011_(Aaron_Swartz_and_JSTOR) | Jul 23 00:07 | |
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| -> Aaron Swartz has been charged with many federal crimes for downloading many articles from JSTOR. The only wrongdoers here are JSTOR and the journals it hosts. They ought to make the articles available to the general public, with freedom to redistribute. And if they don't do this voluntarily, society should impose it. | Jul 23 00:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Open-Source Graphics Driver Comparison http://ur1.ca/4rhiu "article presents these Linux graphics results for eight configurations." | Jul 23 00:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] @eebrah Still on IRC. | Jul 23 00:20 | |
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| schestowitz | twitter: those journals use free labour | Jul 23 00:21 |
| schestowitz | Like thoise who contribute papers and review them | Jul 23 00:21 |
| schestowitz | outragous | Jul 23 00:21 |
| schestowitz | then they put a $13000 paywall on articles | Jul 23 00:21 |
| schestowitz | It's a form of cartel | Jul 23 00:21 |
| schestowitz | The large universities participate in an agreement | Jul 23 00:21 |
| schestowitz | They help write the papers | Jul 23 00:22 |
| schestowitz | And pay the journal | Jul 23 00:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Tonight's true tragedy is that thousands of Norwegian Muslims will wake up tomorrow to a hostile world, thanks to @CNN ,and their ilk. | Jul 23 00:22 | |
| schestowitz | There are people who can explain how this cartel work better than I can | Jul 23 00:22 |
| I know, thanks. | Jul 23 00:22 | |
| schestowitz | knowledge/access monopolies | Jul 23 00:22 |
| schestowitz | I saw people explain this years ago, I didn;t memorise/internalise the key arguments | Jul 23 00:23 |
| My professors explained the rip off to me from their perspective. They provide all of the labor, review and editing, then have to pay for access to their own work which is restricted rather than published. | Jul 23 00:23 | |
| schestowitz | someone also explained this to me in USENET | Jul 23 00:23 |
| schestowitz | he had worked for an academic library | Jul 23 00:23 |
| ml2mst_ | Hehe, nice to see Fabsh's dents in here ;-) very nice dude IMHO | Jul 23 00:24 |
| schestowitz | I spent 10 hours this month reviewing a paper for Springer{c} | Jul 23 00:24 |
| The whole point of publishing is to share research. Current "publishers" provide the opposite. | Jul 23 00:24 | |
| schestowitz | In 10 hours of actual work I could make decent money | Jul 23 00:24 |
| schestowitz | But the editor is someone I work with, so I agreed | Jul 23 00:24 |
| I have called them the "anti-publishers" | Jul 23 00:24 | |
| Snit | So what is stopping you? | Jul 23 00:24 |
| schestowitz | and remember who funds universities | Jul 23 00:25 |
| schestowitz | I.e. who funds everyone that actually makes the journals | Jul 23 00:25 |
| schestowitz | It's the public | Jul 23 00:25 |
| schestowitz | call them punishers | Jul 23 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, here's how I see it work | Jul 23 00:25 |
| Snit: academic progress is measured in terms of how many articles you publish in these obnoxious journals. | Jul 23 00:25 | |
| schestowitz | People now put their own papers on teir site | Jul 23 00:25 |
| schestowitz | Maybe not the camera-ready | Jul 23 00:26 |
| schestowitz | but the same raw text | Jul 23 00:26 |
| schestowitz | And so they feel like they also asemble their own portfolio in an easily accessible place | Jul 23 00:26 |
| Snit | Which does not make them peer reviewed in the same way | Jul 23 00:26 |
| pre prints are nice | Jul 23 00:26 | |
| schestowitz | Sadly for them, though, the older ones don't have electronic version, or merely scanned ones | Jul 23 00:26 |
| schestowitz | So it sort of loses the advantage | Jul 23 00:26 |
| schestowitz | pre-prints also have less page contraints | Jul 23 00:27 |
| schestowitz | So they can be easier to read | Jul 23 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Unless you choose to print them | Jul 23 00:27 |
| schestowitz | LLNCS is a mess | Jul 23 00:27 |
| schestowitz | They just toss miles of text onto thousands of volumes | Jul 23 00:27 |
| there have been studies showing pre print publishing does a better job of publishing the work - more people cite papers that have preprints. | Jul 23 00:27 | |
| schestowitz | And then sa, LNCS vol. 3634... oh yeah ... that's Proceedings of Stupid Crap | Jul 23 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Give us "Content"!! | Jul 23 00:28 |
| schestowitz | twitter: provided they keep the same title, a google brings up the PDF right away | Jul 23 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Sometimes Google also has scans of the books, with OCR | Jul 23 00:29 |
| schestowitz | One way or another you usually find the paper you look for, usually under author's/co-author's homepage | Jul 23 00:29 |
| schestowitz | which is why the publshing cartels will due out | Jul 23 00:29 |
| everyone should be allowed to scan, index and publish books and journals | Jul 23 00:29 | |
| schestowitz | They can't DMCA people's own work that they themselves wrote | Jul 23 00:29 |
| schestowitz | But IEEE make you sign some nasty contract | Jul 23 00:30 |
| schestowitz | So you agree (IIRC) to basically not publish the final version | Jul 23 00:30 |
| actually, they can DMCA people's work if they have assigned copyright as the big publishers demand. | Jul 23 00:30 | |
| schestowitz | I used to index some | Jul 23 00:30 |
| schestowitz | Let me give you examples | Jul 23 00:30 |
| hopefully a change of guards at universities will fix things. this battle has been on the way a long, long time. | Jul 23 00:31 | |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Research/Links/journals.htm | Jul 23 00:32 |
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| schestowitz | For example... | Jul 23 00:32 |
| schestowitz | See "indexing" | Jul 23 00:32 |
| The first step is to create new journals, which people already have done. The next step is to liberate the last 100 years of journals. It's absurd that copyright lasts 100 years. | Jul 23 00:32 | |
| schestowitz | I did it on Mac OS 9 IIRC | Jul 23 00:32 |
| schestowitz | At work | Jul 23 00:32 |
| schestowitz | ALso http://schestowitz.com/Research/Links/conf.htm | Jul 23 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Research/Links/conftext.htm | Jul 23 00:33 |
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| OS 9. I have an OS 9 image. I wonder if it will work in a PPC virtual box. I'll have to try that out this weekend. | Jul 23 00:33 | |
| schestowitz | Back then I needed to publish as a requirement http://schestowitz.com/Research/Links/target.htm | Jul 23 00:33 |
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| schestowitz | I haven't submitted a single paper since later 2005 or 2006 | Jul 23 00:33 |
| You've created a tremendous body of work since 2006. | Jul 23 00:34 | |
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| schestowitz | It's just time consuming... I might be asked to submit soon, but I keep saying that I would rather publsh stuff on my site, as it gets more exposure this way | Jul 23 00:34 |
| schestowitz | Just cannot be added to Bib | Jul 23 00:34 |
| schestowitz | twitter: academic is slow | Jul 23 00:34 |
| schestowitz | I do more on techrights, USENET, Digg, etc. | Jul 23 00:35 |
| schestowitz | It's more up to date, anfd peer rveiew is immediatee | Jul 23 00:35 |
| schestowitz | Not taking months for each stage | Jul 23 00:35 |
| Yeah, the whole electronic publication thing is magic. | Jul 23 00:35 | |
| schestowitz | This page is very out of date.. http://schestowitz.com/Research/resindex.htm | Jul 23 00:36 |
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| schestowitz | mostly from 6-8 years ago | Jul 23 00:36 |
| schestowitz | it's a lot more multimedia rich than paper | Jul 23 00:36 |
| schestowitz | Had 3d datasets for download, videos, imags, papers, posters, blogs, etc. | Jul 23 00:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @SeaStormPress The SeaStorm Press Daily is out! http://t.co/m8z5LF4 ▸ Top stories today ebooks epub via @SeaStormPress #epubchat | Jul 23 00:37 | |
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| schestowitz | I'd rather do this: http://techrights.org/2010/02/04/bbc-net-propaganda/ | Jul 23 00:37 |
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| schestowitz | Takes a lot less time, gets thousands of views | Jul 23 00:37 |
| Science is fun, if slow and painstaking, but solving small problems is less rewarding when larger social issues rob everyone of the benefit of the result. | Jul 23 00:38 | |
| In other words, it's not fun to solve problems for bullies who screw your neighbors. | Jul 23 00:39 | |
| This is a problem the rich and powerful have had for more than a century - how to make an economy work for them that requires the cooperation of millions of people who are much smarter than they are. | Jul 23 00:40 | |
| schestowitz | in science, saving large problems doesn't exist | Jul 23 00:40 |
| schestowitz | It's a set of small problems put together | Jul 23 00:40 |
| schestowitz | But when the publication cycle is motnhs then you have long time to assemble pieces and piece together more pertinent progress items (e.g. different stages) | Jul 23 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Whereas if you blogged, you'd end up with -- say-- 100 blog items | Jul 23 00:41 |
| schestowitz | Each describing each step the same day you achieved it | Jul 23 00:42 |
| schestowitz | And that too can be agregated to be a good paper | Jul 23 00:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] KDE Plasma Desktop Introduction http://ur1.ca/4rhv4 What I love most about !kde 4. Also v @aseigo : http://ur1.ca/4rhvx http://ur1.ca/4rhvy | Jul 23 00:42 | |
| true | Jul 23 00:42 | |
| schestowitz | When I do reports now, about progress I do every day in computer vision, I add that to latex at the end | Jul 23 00:42 |
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| schestowitz | So I have a tail on a file that's now 200 pags long | Jul 23 00:42 |
| schestowitz | But to those who appraise my work and make suggestions it's a torrent of micro-progress | Jul 23 00:43 |
| schestowitz | In the past: | Jul 23 00:43 |
| schestowitz | snail mail; | Jul 23 00:43 |
| schestowitz | OPresentation only in coference (face to face) | Jul 23 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Communication by phone | Jul 23 00:43 |
| schestowitz | No computer simulations | Jul 23 00:43 |
| schestowitz | Needing access to instruments | Jul 23 00:43 |
| One of my professors had the good fortune to work on some interesting problems for more than 30 years. Small parts of those problems are rolled off into Masters and PhD level work. | Jul 23 00:43 | |
| schestowitz | Or those who know how to build them and have the materials | Jul 23 00:43 |
| schestowitz | So everything was slow | Jul 23 00:44 |
| schestowitz | The pace in publicatiomn may have been suitable for that time | Jul 23 00:44 |
| Others have made great stuff from his work. | Jul 23 00:44 | |
| schestowitz | And you could exhausitivly read at least absrrwacts about work in your area | Jul 23 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Now in journals too there is Information Overload | Jul 23 00:44 |
| schestowitz | And you won't get anything done by just looking at what others so | Jul 23 00:44 |
| schestowitz | Peer review is one way of getting work done (reading work early) while learning | Jul 23 00:45 |
| His progress would have been about the same with electronic publications. Each step takes a lot of work. | Jul 23 00:45 | |
| schestowitz | yes, same with most | Jul 23 00:45 |
| schestowitz | exchange of benefits | Jul 23 00:46 |
| schestowitz | One gets a degree | Jul 23 00:46 |
| schestowitz | The other gets almost free labour | Jul 23 00:46 |
| schestowitz | And the professor gets most of the glory | Jul 23 00:46 |
| schestowitz | And usually the work is just stringing along previous work, building upon it like it's a sequel project | Jul 23 00:46 |
| schestowitz | The successful ones bulld groups around it | Jul 23 00:47 |
| schestowitz | And then they have post-docs too calling shots and helping grad students | Jul 23 00:47 |
| Information Overload is why open access is the future. The overload comes from a greater number of papers being produced. Those papers would all be of better quality if information was free and we could all index them and harvest them better if we could. | Jul 23 00:47 | |
| schestowitz | Right. | Jul 23 00:47 |
| schestowitz | The argumens of OS sceptics is eak | Jul 23 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Can be able quality of work | Jul 23 00:48 |
| schestowitz | But that's nonsense | Jul 23 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Papers heavily cited get prioritised | Jul 23 00:48 |
| schestowitz | Let the public decide, so to speak | Jul 23 00:48 |
| schestowitz | The public that is targetted is specialised anyway, not a bunch of trolls | Jul 23 00:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @nj3ma: @muungwana "Millions of it's people" Do you know how many protesters were killed in Libya this year? | Jul 23 00:48 | |
| schestowitz | The H-Index of people I work with is in the high 30s | Jul 23 00:49 |
| Google has better search mechanisms than that. Even I could do a better search than most journals provide. | Jul 23 00:49 | |
| schestowitz | Meaning they get thousands of cittaions | Jul 23 00:49 |
| schestowitz | twitter: if you had thre serve capacity | Jul 23 00:49 |
| schestowitz | Even one server is expensive | Jul 23 00:49 |
| schestowitz | Some of the bigger ones can be $100k | Jul 23 00:50 |
| schestowitz | get a mortgage on those | Jul 23 00:50 |
| Why do I need a server to search two or three journals? | Jul 23 00:50 | |
| schestowitz | BTW, Obama raises the loan limit for the US now, or debates it | Jul 23 00:50 |
| I can fit 15 years worth on a laptop from 1998. | Jul 23 00:50 | |
| schestowitz | When will the US start paying back the debt and bringing the troops home (aka "Support the Troops")? | Jul 23 00:50 |
| my current laptop can do a full text search in a few seconds | Jul 23 00:50 | |
| schestowitz | The troops work hard | Jul 23 00:51 |
| schestowitz | And in tough conditions | Jul 23 00:51 |
| Elsiveirs search tools suck. | Jul 23 00:51 | |
| schestowitz | They could kick CHina's arse in factories and actually produce goods | Jul 23 00:51 |
| grep does better. | Jul 23 00:51 | |
| schestowitz | Nobody uses journalls' own search | Jul 23 00:51 |
| schestowitz | It's improperly imple,emtd | Jul 23 00:51 |
| schestowitz | People just GOogle stuff now | Jul 23 00:52 |
| schestowitz | Someitmes it lands on Elsevier | Jul 23 00:52 |
| schestowitz | They make not like it | Jul 23 00:52 |
| well, from what I've been reading, everyone just downloads the journals to do their own searching | Jul 23 00:52 | |
| schestowitz | But if people paid a forturne (though tuition) for EXPENSIVE (THUS QUALITY! FEH!) oruanls they want the search restruicted to it | Jul 23 00:52 |
| schestowitz | Getting one's money's worth | Jul 23 00:52 |
| schestowitz | why search locally? | Jul 23 00:53 |
| schestowitz | I don't see the purpose? | Jul 23 00:53 |
| because you can | Jul 23 00:53 | |
| schestowitz | WIth stringi? | Jul 23 00:53 |
| schestowitz | Better let someone else index it | Jul 23 00:53 |
| schestowitz | And only download the most vital paper | Jul 23 00:53 |
| I don't know what tools they use, but that is one of the things that's come to the front in the Aaron case. | Jul 23 00:53 | |
| schestowitz | collecting PDF is generally crap | Jul 23 00:54 |
| schestowitz | It's hard to organise PDFs | Jul 23 00:54 |
| schestowitz | THeir filenames are usually meaningless | Jul 23 00:54 |
| schestowitz | even with pdf reviews in kde it's not enougn to classify | Jul 23 00:54 |
| Meta researchers especially prone to downloading lots of journals to research things like citations themselves - how else would you be able to know what ideas are influential? | Jul 23 00:55 | |
| schestowitz | the laws here re copyrights are even more Draconian (remember where copyrights came from), so I wouldn't tease like Aaron did | Jul 23 00:55 |
| schestowitz | Seems like it's just a bad move from them | Jul 23 00:55 |
| schestowitz | They incited people against the publishers | Jul 23 00:55 |
| schestowitz | !google pirtate bay protest aaron schwartz | Jul 23 00:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Copied Academic Papers Appear on Pirate Bay to Protest Arrest ... | http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2011/07/stolen-academic-papers-appear-pirate-bay-protest-arrest/40259/ | Jul 23 00:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Stolen Academic Papers Appear on Pirate Bay to Protest Arrest ... | http://news.yahoo.com/stolen-academic-papers-appear-pirate-bay-protest-arrest-183903737.html | Jul 23 00:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Thousands of scientific papers uploaded to the Pirate Bay — Tech ... | http://gigaom.com/2011/07/21/pirate-bay-jstor/ | Jul 23 00:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Prosecution of Aaron Swartz for downloading documents triggers ... | http://boston.com/Boston/metrodesk/2011/07/prosecution-aaron-swartz-for-downloading-documents-triggers-apparent-cyber-protest/5hXa4XE0KiiKc2z5I8PJ9M/index.html | Jul 23 00:55 |
| Aaron was not teasing. | Jul 23 00:56 | |
| schestowitz | pushing the envelope | Jul 23 00:56 |
| His research typically involves looking at who publishes what. | Jul 23 00:56 | |
| schestowitz | WIth or without intention | Jul 23 00:56 |
| He has to download the documents to see all the citations. | Jul 23 00:56 | |
| schestowitz | what does he research? | Jul 23 00:56 |
| Let me see if I can find a good article explaining it for you and quote it. | Jul 23 00:57 | |
| schestowitz | citeseer type work? | Jul 23 00:57 |
| one second please | Jul 23 00:57 | |
| schestowitz | Maybe studies how to index many docs? | Jul 23 00:57 |
| schestowitz | it would be funny if they hunted him down over it | Jul 23 00:57 |
| schestowitz | Like security researchers getting hunted for just doign what they are supposed to do in order to harden real systems and not experimental ones | Jul 23 00:58 |
| schestowitz | But the BBC gets away with it | Jul 23 00:58 |
| schestowitz | !google bbc botnets illegal | Jul 23 00:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - BBC Botnet Experiment IS Illegal, No Matter What They Say ... | http://www.informationweek.com/blog/229207173 | Jul 23 00:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - BBC's Click botnet special was irresponsible and illegal ... | http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/editors-blog/2009/03/bbcs-click-botnet-special-was.html | Jul 23 00:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - BBC's Click botnet special was irresponsible and illegal - 3/17 ... | http://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2009/03/17/235291/BBC39s-Click-botnet-special-was-irresponsible-and-illegal.htm | Jul 23 00:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - The BBC acquired a botnet, but was it legal? - Update - The H ... | http://www.h-online.com/news/item/The-BBC-acquired-a-botnet-but-was-it-legal-Update-740506.html | Jul 23 00:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Google Music Manager Finally Launches On #Linux http://ur1.ca/4ribd #music #gnu | Jul 23 01:00 | |
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| OK, here's someone familiar with the work http://blogs.reuters.com/mediafile/2011/07/20/the-difference-between-google-and-aaron-swartz/ | Jul 23 01:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] [Technical Review of] The changes in #RedHat Enterprise Linux 5.7 http://ur1.ca/4riem #rhel | Jul 23 01:05 | |
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| cubezzz | lol, bing just indexed my microsoft dirty tricks file | Jul 23 01:05 |
| -> [of the charges] I was also reminded of my own attempts at similar work, collecting and analyzing journal articles, patents, and various forms of metadata. I’ve lost count of how many hours I’ve spent sitting in basements of academic buildings, breaking federal laws in the pursuit of answers. And I was reminded of my colleagues who still spend their days painstakingly scraping data off the web–sometimes legally sometimes not– | Jul 23 01:05 | |
| they probably scraped it from Google, cubezzz | Jul 23 01:06 | |
| cubezzz | nope, the bingbot just accessed my server | Jul 23 01:06 |
| the scraper is kind of mindless, goes by the keystrokes of Windows users. | Jul 23 01:07 | |
| Cutts proved how it worked. | Jul 23 01:07 | |
| -> " for those of us interested in meta-analysis–these questions about questions that people like Aaron and myself are forced to pursue from basement wiring cabinets, scraping large swaths of text from the web–the hobbled and clunky tools for downloading PDFs through research library proxy servers, one poorly OCR’ed page at a time, simply do not work." | Jul 23 01:09 | |
| cubezzz | right | Jul 23 01:09 |
| an example of a metadata study is one looking at publishing by think tank funded lawyers | Jul 23 01:09 | |
| PJ had such a study just the other day. | Jul 23 01:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks shows Norway rejected UK assistance monitoring suspected al-Quada cell http://t.co/tLdopLl | Jul 23 01:10 | |
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| cubezzz | a study of a study eh? | Jul 23 01:11 |
| cubezzz | where does it all end? :) | Jul 23 01:11 |
| no, it was a study of influence | Jul 23 01:11 | |
| cubezzz | ah I see | Jul 23 01:11 |
| I can't put my finger on it | Jul 23 01:11 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RT @nj3ma @muungwana Get your facts right about Yemen. | Jul 23 01:12 | |
| but you can see how the raw material in such a study is the journals themselves and you need thousands of articles to make your point with good statistics | Jul 23 01:12 | |
| crap like web of knowledge and publisher searches don't come close to reasonable tools and Google can't see all the articles and that creates an unacceptable selection bias. | Jul 23 01:13 | |
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| schestowitz | [01:11] <twitter> I can't put my finger on it | Jul 23 01:14 |
| schestowitz | Try a toe | Jul 23 01:14 |
| ugh techcrunch publishes a "google is doomed article" http://techcrunch.com/2011/07/03/google-six-front-war/?utm_source=Triggermail | Jul 23 01:15 | |
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| schestowitz | ys, GOogle's celection bias is a real risk | Jul 23 01:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Wikileaks-Logo ist ein beliebtes Tattoo http://t.co/K5EqvTC | Jul 23 01:15 | |
| cubezzz | google is doomed? | Jul 23 01:15 |
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| schestowitz | AOLcrunch? | Jul 23 01:15 |
| schestowitz | I thought they were 'dead' | Jul 23 01:15 |
| schestowitz | !google arington dennounced aol | Jul 23 01:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Rebeldia 2011: A desarrollar la RESISTENCIA CIVIL contra el ... | http://larebeldiadelosinmigrantes.blogspot.com/2010/04/blog-post_26.html | Jul 23 01:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Now that China Is the New Israel…What's Israel? | http://techcrunch.com/2009/03/25/now-that-china-is-the-new-israelwhats-israel/ | Jul 23 01:15 |
| applies law of averages instead of ethics or thought to conclude that Google's gotta lose at lease one "battle" | Jul 23 01:15 | |
| cubezzz | they say everything is doomed | Jul 23 01:15 |
| PJ quoted them in news picks | Jul 23 01:16 | |
| cubezzz | the only thing that was truly doomed was 8-track :) | Jul 23 01:16 |
| schestowitz | !google arrington aol ruined techcrunch | Jul 23 01:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Michael Arrington Says Someone Is Ruining His Blog | http://gawker.com/5743354/michael-arrington-says-someone-is-ruining-his-blog | Jul 23 01:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Did TechCrunch's Arrington Just Invest in an AOL Exit Strategy ... | http://www.bnet.com/blog/technology-business/did-techcrunchs-arrington-just-invest-in-an-aol-exit-strategy-update/10321 | Jul 23 01:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - NEXT QUESTION FOR AOL: Will You Now Fire TechCrunch And Engadget ... | http://www.businessinsider.com/aol-techcrunch-engadget-2011-1 | Jul 23 01:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - What the TechCrunch Deal Means to Me | http://www.readwriteweb.com/archives/what_the_techcrunch_deal_means_to_me.php | Jul 23 01:16 |
| !google Michael Arrington idiot | Jul 23 01:17 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Radio Host To Mike Arrington: "Screw You, Asshole" (CLIP) | http://www.businessinsider.com/radio-host-to-mike-arrington-screw-you-asshole-clip-2009-6 | Jul 23 01:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Leo Laporte Blows up at Mike Arrington on the Gillmor Gang Dvorak ... | http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/06/07/leo-laporte-blows-up-at-mike-arrington-on-the-gillmor-gang/ | Jul 23 01:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Thanks Mike Arrington for taking us off the rails into Twitter ... | http://scobleizer.com/2008/12/28/twitter-idiot-land/ | Jul 23 01:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - New Music Strategies: Michael Arrington is NOT an idiot | http://newmusicstrategies.com/2008/03/23/michael-arrington-is-not-an-idiot/ | Jul 23 01:17 |
| schestowitz | see [2] | Jul 23 01:17 |
| schestowitz | It's good | Jul 23 01:17 |
| schestowitz | Leo also brought Arrington up when I was on his show | Jul 23 01:17 |
| schestowitz | He said that Arrington had accused him os siccing crowds at him | Jul 23 01:18 |
| schestowitz | The context being me mentioning people who are abrasive opretending to speak for us | Jul 23 01:18 |
| schestowitz | I have one post which has arrington giivng the finger | Jul 23 01:18 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/02/07/michael-arrington-microsoft-bribes/ | Jul 23 01:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Michael Arrington a Hypocrite: Bribed by Microsoft Yet Fires Bribed Bloggers | Techrights .::. Size~: 107.38 KB | Jul 23 01:19 |
| schestowitz | And see what he did to Bartz | Jul 23 01:19 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2010/06/01/carol-bartz-says-fu-k-off/ | Jul 23 01:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Carol Bartz is Acting Like Ballmer #2 | Techrights .::. Size~: 103.63 KB | Jul 23 01:19 |
| schestowitz | http://techcrunch.com/2010/05/24/carol-bartz-talkes-with-michael-arrington-at-techcrunch-disrupt/ | Jul 23 01:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Carol Bartz To Michael Arrington: "F*ck Off!" | TechCrunch .::. Size~: 63.56 KB | Jul 23 01:20 |
| schestowitz | She got baited | Jul 23 01:20 |
| schestowitz | Siegler used to be with me on Digg IIRC | Jul 23 01:20 |
| schestowitz | ParisLemon? | Jul 23 01:20 |
| Woops -> " journals are only partly about communicating. They’re also about controlling academic discourse. The editorial power held by journals and those that run them (quite different from those that own them) shapes most academic careers and the very structure of disciplines." | Jul 23 01:22 | |
| schestowitz | "> Long time no hear. I have written before about Microsoft infestation into my workplace. It's bad enough that most people use Windows client side without the administration here demanding that we implement a Microsoft e-mail server as well. That is still proceeding apace. I am curious. A further development that's occurred here is that we are using a so-called "best practice" called ITIL, which is from the UK. It is proprietary and | Jul 23 01:24 |
| schestowitz | expensive to acquire the full set of documentation. I have only been to an overview training session, but someone asked whether we could access the material after the presentation for review. The answer was "I don't know. It depends on the contract you have signed." I was agape at that answer. How are we supposed to have confidence in our understanding if we can't review the material? Needless to say, we did not receive access to the | Jul 23 01:24 |
| schestowitz | material afterwards. It seems a bit like Scientology. If you pay for further training, then further access and levels of accreditation will be granted. Have you heard of ITIL before? My comment is "just what the world needs - a proprietary best practices system." Best, Roy" | Jul 23 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Has someone haard of it? | Jul 23 01:24 |
| schestowitz | I haven't heard of it, but it would be possible to ask around | Jul 23 01:24 |
| If it recommends Microsoft, it's obviously fraudulent and probably written by Microsoft. I'm sorry to hear of the predicament. | Jul 23 01:28 | |
| I think this is what I was looking for about the Aaron story -> " There are many, many research applications, including mine, that are still not possible with approved means of accessing data. This essentially means that if you want to understand the collaborative nature of a specific field or follow the trajectory of and idea across disciplines, a reference librarian can’t help you. Instead, you have to become a felon." | Jul 23 01:29 | |
| schestowitz | not mine | Jul 23 01:29 |
| schestowitz | it's a different roy | Jul 23 01:29 |
| I'm sorry for their predicament and did not know their name way Roy. | Jul 23 01:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Democracy Now! "Murdoch Empire "Pummeled" by Phone-Hacking Scandal Exposed by Guardian Journalist Nick Davies" http://ur1.ca/4rivc #NotW WOW | Jul 23 01:33 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Murdoch Empire "Pummeled" by Phone-Hacking Scandal Exposed by Guardian Journalist Nick Davies .::. Size~: 80.23 KB | Jul 23 01:33 |
| A Windows 7 infestation visited the place I work. The competition was basically a contest between two or three Microsoft partners. One was less competent than the other but both have the same kind of roll out. It has not had much of an effect on my office specifically, because they can't touch the vendor systems, but my competent IT guy was a casualty. He cared too much. | Jul 23 01:35 | |
| cubezzz | he cared too much about...? | Jul 23 01:36 |
| Yeah, he got emotionally involved and fought like that instead of biding his time. | Jul 23 01:36 | |
| stood up to the incompetent administrator, who was also fired a few months later for being an idiot | Jul 23 01:37 | |
| cubezzz | oh so the competent guy was advocating Linux? | Jul 23 01:38 |
| cubezzz | or was everyone just using Microsoft? | Jul 23 01:38 |
| He had several gnu/linux services in house | Jul 23 01:38 | |
| The Microsoft idiots, of course, wanted those ripped out and replaced with expensive garbage | Jul 23 01:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] http://packet-in.org/repo/user_drewRoberts/11Jul/dR11Jul.txt | Jul 23 01:38 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting text/plain type | Jul 23 01:38 |
| The IT guy said that was silly. | Jul 23 01:38 | |
| cubezzz | it sound silly | Jul 23 01:39 |
| cubezzz | sounds | Jul 23 01:39 |
| *abeNd-org has quit (Quit: Leaving.) | Jul 23 01:39 | |
| with the administrator went the incompetent initial winning Microsoft partner and the second one stepped in | Jul 23 01:39 | |
| they are more professional and less aggressive but they are doing most of the same stuff | Jul 23 01:39 | |
| the first partner had the nerve to install some really nasty spyware on everyone's computer as part of their "audit" | Jul 23 01:40 | |
| schestowitz | http://i.imgur.com/CkUzN.jpg | Jul 23 01:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Jul 23 01:40 |
| schestowitz | blech | Jul 23 01:40 |
| schestowitz | he's in films now? | Jul 23 01:40 |
| cubezzz | ugh, sounds like a bad place to work | Jul 23 01:40 |
| It's a small business. | Jul 23 01:41 | |
| I'm happy working here. | Jul 23 01:41 | |
| cubezzz | doesn't anyone run Linux there, then the spyware wouldn't work | Jul 23 01:41 |
| then again, I'm happy most of the time | Jul 23 01:41 | |
| cubezzz | that's good | Jul 23 01:41 |
| schestowitz | excellent | Jul 23 01:42 |
| schestowitz | in this economy | Jul 23 01:42 |
| schestowitz | and in the US | Jul 23 01:42 |
| well, of course, the spyware did not get onto my system or the IT guy's | Jul 23 01:42 | |
| schestowitz | Land of MSFT :-) | Jul 23 01:42 |
| cubezzz | right, he's up against it | Jul 23 01:42 |
| cubezzz | still, a job's a job | Jul 23 01:42 |
| schestowitz | spyware is a securuity risk | Jul 23 01:42 |
| but it did goof up some pretty critical vendor systems | Jul 23 01:42 | |
| schestowitz | More room for sabotage from the audiotor('s machin) | Jul 23 01:43 |
| The IT guy was right but the administrator put their ego behind it and made a big effort to run him off. | Jul 23 01:43 | |
| All of that wasted effort burnt them both. | Jul 23 01:43 | |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, you might like The Thirtheenth Floor | Jul 23 01:44 |
| cubezzz | I just saw that | Jul 23 01:44 |
| The IT guy could have survived if he had kept his head down a little better. | Jul 23 01:44 | |
| and not been baited. | Jul 23 01:44 | |
| this place would be much better if he had not been tossed out | Jul 23 01:44 | |
| cubezzz | well you run a ton of different OSes you can achieve OS agnosticism | Jul 23 01:45 |
| the new guy is friendly but has no free software clue | Jul 23 01:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] And.... he falls. http://i.imgur.com/iY6ZQ.gif | Jul 23 01:45 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/gif type | Jul 23 01:45 |
| the Microsoft people work like robots. | Jul 23 01:45 | |
| cubezzz | well the old schools know Unix so it's pretty easy to adapt for them | Jul 23 01:45 |
| cubezzz | old schoolers | Jul 23 01:46 |
| there's none of that around here | Jul 23 01:46 | |
| zero | Jul 23 01:46 | |
| cubezzz | where is here? | Jul 23 01:46 |
| cubezzz | you in Redmond?? | Jul 23 01:47 |
| cubezzz | j/k | Jul 23 01:47 |
| The IT guy? He finally got another job . | Jul 23 01:47 | |
| but not in IT | Jul 23 01:47 | |
| The Microsoft people probably thought of this place as a "Linux infestation" to be stamped out. | Jul 23 01:47 | |
| the first Microsoft partner has been trying to land this place as an account for a decade or so | Jul 23 01:48 | |
| had personal animosity against the IT guy | Jul 23 01:48 | |
| ugly | Jul 23 01:48 | |
| There is no such thing as agnostics when it comes to OS. Windows sucks, flat out. Performance, money, features even looks. Anyone familiar with more than Windows knows this. | Jul 23 01:49 | |
| it's only run because vendor systems come with it. | Jul 23 01:50 | |
| Snit | I use OS X, Windows and Linux... all quite happily. | Jul 23 01:50 |
| Snit | I tend to prefer OS X to the others - but there are things from each I appreciate. | Jul 23 01:50 |
| cubezzz | Plan 9 beats them all | Jul 23 01:50 |
| cubezzz | no applications though :) | Jul 23 01:50 |
| Snit | The idea people run Windows only because that is what comes with the machine is true for some, but as a general statement - no. | Jul 23 01:50 |
| What is there to appreciate in Windows, besides Microsoft's abilty to make sure some things only come on Windows? | Jul 23 01:51 | |
| Snit | What would people move to from Windows? | Jul 23 01:51 |
| knowledge, experience, freedom | Jul 23 01:51 | |
| cubezzz | uh malware | Jul 23 01:51 |
| Snit | OS X - for many it is too expensive and it is missing many biz apps | Jul 23 01:51 |
| common sense | Jul 23 01:51 | |
| Snit | Desktop Linux - not mature enough and lacking *many* app categories. | Jul 23 01:51 |
| criminal justice | Jul 23 01:51 | |
| Snit ... what's missing? | Jul 23 01:52 | |
| Snit | Screencasting, high end image editing, screen reading (such as something like Tofu)... I could go on. | Jul 23 01:52 |
| I've been using desktop gnu/linux for nearly 15 years. | Jul 23 01:53 | |
| Snit | Even presentation software on the same level as Keynote (OO.o does not do). | Jul 23 01:53 |
| Snit | twitter: OK. | Jul 23 01:53 |
| cubezzz | lol, major movies are rendered on linux | Jul 23 01:53 |
| Gnome's got desktop sharing | Jul 23 01:53 | |
| Snit | Oh, sure - Linux does a lot of great things. | Jul 23 01:53 |
| click and drool | Jul 23 01:53 | |
| Snit | twitter - who mentioned desktop sharing/ | Jul 23 01:54 |
| You said "screencasting" | Jul 23 01:54 | |
| I'm not sure what that is | Jul 23 01:54 | |
| cubezzz | we write what we need | Jul 23 01:54 |
| but gtk-recordmydesktop works well for me | Jul 23 01:54 | |
| and I'm not sure what "high end image manipulation" is | Jul 23 01:55 | |
| cubezzz | with source code you can port anything anyway | Jul 23 01:55 |
| Snit | Recording and editing screen - the best I know of is ScreenFlow. http://blogs.telestream.net/screenflow/ | Jul 23 01:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Screening Room - The Official ScreenFlow Blog for screencasting software by Telestream .::. Size~: 102.75 KB | Jul 23 01:55 |
| Snit | Twitter: things like GIMP but with more. Photoshop, for the most part | Jul 23 01:55 |
| gtk-recordmydesktop does just fine | Jul 23 01:55 | |
| Snit | Smart layers, layer groups, etc. | Jul 23 01:55 |
| Photoshop is bullshit | Jul 23 01:55 | |
| cubezzz | recordmydesktop is fine | Jul 23 01:55 |
| cubezzz | you don't need the gtk part | Jul 23 01:56 |
| Snit | twitter: that is screen recording... but not a full screencasting solution | Jul 23 01:56 |
| Snit | cubezz - for screenrecording, sure. | Jul 23 01:56 |
| Snit | But I am talking doing a lot more: http://blogs.telestream.net/screenflow/ | Jul 23 01:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Screening Room - The Official ScreenFlow Blog for screencasting software by Telestream .::. Size~: 102.75 KB | Jul 23 01:56 |
| Snit | check out the videos there to get an idea. | Jul 23 01:56 |
| what do you need, something to edit, like the three or four excellent movie editors ? | Jul 23 01:56 | |
| I don't like do it all packages | Jul 23 01:57 | |
| Snit | When you use desktop Linux you end up not even being aware of whole classes of software... and get the idea things like GIMP and OO.o are high end. | Jul 23 01:57 |
| cubezzz | lol | Jul 23 01:57 |
| cubezzz | you missed my point dude | Jul 23 01:57 |
| Snit | So what would use use to replace a cursor in post processing | Jul 23 01:57 |
| cubezzz | I don't even care to debate apps | Jul 23 01:57 |
| as a guy who did an imaging thesis, I don't know what you are talking about | Jul 23 01:58 | |
| cubezzz | I write them | Jul 23 01:58 |
| Snit | cubezzz: right - desktop Linux users who think the apps there are in the same class *never* want to discuss apps in detail. | Jul 23 01:58 |
| Snit | That is sorta my point. | Jul 23 01:58 |
| I asked for the categories, snit, and you have not done much to tell me | Jul 23 01:58 | |
| cubezzz | yeah whatever | Jul 23 01:58 |
| Snit | cubezzz: desktop Linux is great for developers and for those with very basic needs. | Jul 23 01:58 |
| Snit | But for many, many people they do not work well | Jul 23 01:58 |
| actually, there have been some pretty good feature comparisons of things like Microsoft Outlook, Kontact and Evolution. | Jul 23 01:59 | |
| The details are there if you really know what's important and what you are talking about. | Jul 23 01:59 | |
| Snit | And even for those they do work for, they still do not benefit from a well coordinated environment. Heck, most distros do not even get the basic things right such as figuring out if the term for ending a program should be "Quit" or "Exit". | Jul 23 01:59 |
| cubezzz | Snit, the world worked fine before windows ever existed | Jul 23 02:00 |
| cubezzz | Unix is a better designed OS | Jul 23 02:00 |
| Snit | OK: email. Which client allows for looking at attachments built into the email client - things such as slide shows for pics people send? | Jul 23 02:00 |
| The Windows desktop is the most fragmented piece of crap ever. | Jul 23 02:00 | |
| Snit | cubezzz: so? Just changing the topic for the fun of it? | Jul 23 02:00 |
| Snit | twitter - it far behind OS X, but ahead of at least most Linux distros | Jul 23 02:01 |
| no, he's picking a silly detail, where Microsoft has done something stupid and he's saying it's a virtue | Jul 23 02:01 | |
| cubezzz | Snit, go away | Jul 23 02:01 |
| Snit | cubezzz: great - OS X is a version of Unix. Hmmm, neither Windows nor Linux based OSs are. | Jul 23 02:01 |
| Snit | cubezzz: great support for your views. LOL! | Jul 23 02:02 |
| Snit | twitter: please explain... what do you mean? | Jul 23 02:02 |
| a mail client that auto loads files that mix media and code is brain dead | Jul 23 02:02 | |
| Snit | Actually I was not talking about Windows at all, twitter. | Jul 23 02:02 |
| cubezzz | I don't have anything more to say | Jul 23 02:02 |
| Snit | What is the problem with the way OS X Mail does it? | Jul 23 02:02 |
| That's what Outlook does instead of having reasonable sorting, search, etc. | Jul 23 02:02 | |
| Snit | Works great and serves people very, very well. | Jul 23 02:02 |
| it's a security problem and you know it. | Jul 23 02:03 | |
| Snit | OS X Mail has some weaknesses in that area - though the Lion version improves it quite a bit | Jul 23 02:03 |
| reasonable mail programs display email ... text. | Jul 23 02:03 | |
| it gives you the option to look at things if you know and trust the sender | Jul 23 02:03 | |
| Snit | twitter - OK, I'll bite... what risk does QuickLook bring? | Jul 23 02:03 |
| Snit | Can you find a single example of it *ever* causing a security problem? | Jul 23 02:03 |
| I don't know QuickLook | Jul 23 02:03 | |
| but if QuickLook loads flash, you are doomed. | Jul 23 02:04 | |
| Snit | twitter: but you "know" it is a security risk? Huh? | Jul 23 02:04 |
| Snit | Hmmm, I do not think it does. | Jul 23 02:04 |
| Snit | But if it does, it likely would do so in a sandboxed area. | Jul 23 02:04 |
| I know it's a security risk to auto load things | Jul 23 02:04 | |
| Snit | With Lion, at least - much better sandboxing than before | Jul 23 02:04 |
| Snit | twitter - but you have *no* example of this actually causing a problem. Ever. | Jul 23 02:05 |
| What I look for in a mail client is mail archiving, contact integration, encryption support | Jul 23 02:05 | |
| Snit | twitter - good... others have higher demands. Including myself. | Jul 23 02:05 |
| Those core demands are very high demands. | Jul 23 02:05 | |
| Snit | I want to be able to *view* the emails I get - including the ones with images or other attachments. | Jul 23 02:05 |
| Snit | twitter: for 1980, sure. :) | Jul 23 02:05 |
| I can look at images from my email, thanks | Jul 23 02:06 | |
| Snit | what! security risk! | Jul 23 02:06 |
| Snit | LOL! | Jul 23 02:06 |
| Kmail has a right click view. | Jul 23 02:06 | |
| Snit | So can you view them with a slide show? | Jul 23 02:06 |
| Snit | Full screen slide shows? | Jul 23 02:06 |
| Snit | I will be honest - I do not know if you can. | Jul 23 02:06 |
| I'm not sure about that, but I don't want a full screen slide show, I generally like to use gqview | Jul 23 02:06 | |
| Snit | To view images in an email? | Jul 23 02:07 |
| I like little thumbnails that I can look at and chose the ones I like. | Jul 23 02:07 | |
| Snit | You can do that with OS X Mail, too. | Jul 23 02:07 |
| Yes, I can drag and drop images from kmail into gqview | Jul 23 02:07 | |
| and it opens them. | Jul 23 02:07 | |
| and I think I can right click open them with gqview, but it's been a while since I've done that. | Jul 23 02:08 | |
| Snit | Well you can drag images to any program! Geeez | Jul 23 02:08 |
| In the 21st century, where I live, people host their images on web sites instead of emailing them as they did on the ARPA net. | Jul 23 02:08 | |
| Snit | twitter: great excuse. Thanks! | Jul 23 02:09 |
| Snit | In the end: I have just pointed to all sorts of things that desktop Linux lacks - things from Photoshop, ScreenFlow, Tofu, OS X Mail, etc. | Jul 23 02:09 |
| In the world of free software, people run their own web servers with gnu/linux and an application called Apache. Have you heard of that in OSX land? | Jul 23 02:09 | |
| Snit | And that is not even touching on things that affect the whole system: proxy icons, universal color selector, media browsers, etc. | Jul 23 02:10 |
| I have to admit, a full screen slide show for images in email has a retro charm to it. | Jul 23 02:10 | |
| Snit | OS X comes with Apache... but Linux is a great tool for that. No doubt! | Jul 23 02:10 |
| Snit | Retro? | Jul 23 02:10 |
| You have something nicer than VLC? | Jul 23 02:10 | |
| Yeah, retro. Kind of like projecting somehing snazzy on the past. | Jul 23 02:10 | |
| the very clumsy past of email sharing when normal people run websites and wikis | Jul 23 02:11 | |
| Snit | So what does it on Linux... or did? | Jul 23 02:11 |
| Snit | Better than VLC? Well, I use VLC... and QuickTime. Both have benefits. | Jul 23 02:11 |
| There are plenty of slideshow programs | Jul 23 02:11 | |
| Snit | twistter: you are showing how out of touch you are. But great... people can upload stuff from OS X and view it from OS X. So what/ | Jul 23 02:11 |
| I think there's one in Digikam | Jul 23 02:12 | |
| Digikam also uploads to everyone's favorite hosting sites | Jul 23 02:12 | |
| Facebook blocked it for a while but relented when people complained | Jul 23 02:12 | |
| Snit | I think iPhoto does - but if not Picassa has a number of options. | Jul 23 02:12 |
| Picassa does not do as much as Digikam | Jul 23 02:13 | |
| I do like the OSX movie editor. It's so cute. | Jul 23 02:13 | |
| it has very poor format export options but it's interface is nifty | Jul 23 02:14 | |
| Snit | iMovie is pretty good - though I tend to use some other tools for the type things I do. Still, it is excellent. | Jul 23 02:14 |
| I think OSX has started to experiment with multiple virtual desktops called "spaces" .... only 20 years behind X11 | Jul 23 02:14 | |
| Snit | It exports to all sorts of formats - anything QuickTime can handle... and with Perian that is quite a lot. | Jul 23 02:14 |
| does it doe ogg theora? | Jul 23 02:15 | |
| the format Jobs wants to sue? | Jul 23 02:15 | |
| Snit | I do not believe so. But then again, who does? A few people on desktop Linux. | Jul 23 02:15 |
| and also the format of choice for Wikipedia and the Internet Archive | Jul 23 02:15 | |
| eebrah | Snit: What bout WebM? | Jul 23 02:16 |
| Snit | In the end: OS X, Windows and Linux all favor different formats - and then the Linux folks brag that they handle their own formats more commonly than other OSs do. | Jul 23 02:16 |
| no theora is stone age | Jul 23 02:16 | |
| VLC does all formats | Jul 23 02:16 | |
| Snit | WebM... not sure. I think Perian has added that but I am not sure. | Jul 23 02:16 |
| Snit | I do not see it listed: http://perian.org/#detail | Jul 23 02:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Perian - The swiss-army knife of QuickTime® components .::. Size~: 27.78 KB | Jul 23 02:16 |
| Ultimately though, OSX is digital handcuffs | Jul 23 02:16 | |
| Snit | twitter: huh? | Jul 23 02:17 |
| Snit | What? | Jul 23 02:17 |
| Richard Stallman noticed Apple's nasty patent on cameras that don't take pictures if they receive a shutdown signal. | Jul 23 02:17 | |
| Snit | There is a WebM QuickTime component for the three people who want it. :) | Jul 23 02:17 |
| Snit | Oh no! A patent! | Jul 23 02:17 |
| Snit | So? | Jul 23 02:17 |
| eebrah | Snit: You mean all of Youtube? | Jul 23 02:18 |
| Snit | Anyway... need to run. This has been fun. Better luck next time finding. | Jul 23 02:18 |
| He noted that non free software that won't let you watch and share other people's pictures and videos is similar to software that won't let you take and share your own pictures. | Jul 23 02:18 | |
| That's the problem with OSX | Jul 23 02:18 | |
| Snit | I can upload to YouTube just fine from OS X, thank you very much. | Jul 23 02:18 |
| It's owned by assholes | Jul 23 02:18 | |
| Snit | You can share just fine with OS X. I mean, really, where do you get this stuff? | Jul 23 02:18 |
| and you might not be able to upload to YouTube if Jobs decides not to let you | Jul 23 02:19 | |
| Snit | Anyway, really do need to run. But you are amusing... thanks. | Jul 23 02:19 |
| It's apple's patent, that's where I get it, thanks | Jul 23 02:19 | |
| ;-) | Jul 23 02:19 | |
| eebrah | Snit: Never said you couldn't | Jul 23 02:19 |
| He's gone to a better place, where Jobs says everything is cool. | Jul 23 02:20 | |
| I have work to do myself. | Jul 23 02:20 | |
| It has been fun, but the Jobs is strong in people who look to nifty features at the expense of their freedom, so it is frustrating talk. | Jul 23 02:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @forteller RT @mimirk: Disgusting frontpage by The Sun (Rupert Murdoch). Shame! http://j.mp/oe2dwx #osloexpl | Jul 23 02:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: skynews : THE SUN FRONT PAGE: Norway's 9/11 #skypapers http://twitpic.com/5u6n2l | Twicsy, the Twitter Pics Engine .::. Size~: 31.87 KB | Jul 23 02:23 |
| Snit | Back for a minute | Jul 23 02:26 |
| Snit | So you have no answer for the idea that Linux apps lack many classes / features / productivity / coherence... and you counter with a paranoid rant about how some guy in a black turtle neck is going to bang down my door and take my computer from me. Great! | Jul 23 02:28 |
| the idea is in your head | Jul 23 02:28 | |
| Snit | twitter: what idea? | Jul 23 02:28 |
| your ignorance -> Snit: So you have no answer for the idea that Linux apps lack many classes / features / productivity / coherence | Jul 23 02:29 | |
| great! | Jul 23 02:29 | |
| Snit | twitter: as Shuttleworth says - if you value OSS as a philosophy then desktop Linux is great... but if you are looking for a better experience, it is not there yet. | Jul 23 02:29 |
| I won't use an OS that won't give me at least 27 virutal desktops ... and my freedom, thanks. | Jul 23 02:30 | |
| Snit | twitter: you mean the things I just talked about and you had no counter to. Those things. You disagree. Lovely. But you have no counter to my comments. Nothing about what I said in terms of Photoshop and ScreenFlow and Tofu and proxy icons and color selectors and media browsers and ... etc. | Jul 23 02:30 |
| I countered you but I don't think you understood. | Jul 23 02:30 | |
| Snit | Just... oh no! Let's just say it is all in Snit's head and be done with it! | Jul 23 02:30 |
| Snit | twitter: so please repeat yourself. My apologies for missing it. | Jul 23 02:31 |
| Does OSX have virtual desktops yet? | Jul 23 02:31 | |
| Snit | Has for a couple versions. | Jul 23 02:31 |
| Snit | They are altered in Lion... some good and some bad. | Jul 23 02:31 |
| Snit | But for most people that is a non-issue. | Jul 23 02:31 |
| Show me a screen shot and I'll consider surrendering my freedom ... har har. | Jul 23 02:31 | |
| Snit | What? | Jul 23 02:31 |
| Snit | Again: you focus on the idea that Linux is OSS and that trumps all for you. I have no problem with that. My focus is more on productivity and ease of use. | Jul 23 02:32 |
| show me a screen shot of OSX virtual desktops. I think they are pathetic and that the interface would never meet my needs. | Jul 23 02:32 | |
| Snit | We look at things from different angles - so from your angle Linux is a better fit and for me, mostly, OS X is. I have no problem with that. | Jul 23 02:32 |
| freedom does trump all, but it does so by giving me exactly the features I want | Jul 23 02:33 | |
| I don't see that screen shot | Jul 23 02:33 | |
| Snit | first video on it I found - have not even seen it: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WSL1kkOy4G4 | Jul 23 02:33 |
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| Snit | Wait... that is not Lion. | Jul 23 02:33 |
| Snit | Well, not the final one. | Jul 23 02:34 |
| Snit | This looks more like the final one: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kgH1xjrK4kI | Jul 23 02:34 |
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| Snit | It is different than how most handle it... | Jul 23 02:34 |
| Snit | Lacking some things (like naming "spaces") and offering more coherence with things like Exposé. | Jul 23 02:35 |
| what do you mean? | Jul 23 02:35 | |
| Snit | Watch the video and you will see how it works. | Jul 23 02:35 |
| I like E16 pagers. | Jul 23 02:35 | |
| I like to see thumbnails of as many virtual desktops as I like. | Jul 23 02:35 | |
| Snit | You can have 16 desktops on OS X... though that is the max. | Jul 23 02:35 |
| Snit | Wait... let me double check that. | Jul 23 02:36 |
| and to be able to manipulate the desktops through the thumbnails ... this is decade + old tech. | Jul 23 02:36 | |
| Snit | Yup... max of 16 | Jul 23 02:36 |
| sad | Jul 23 02:36 | |
| Snit | And OS X does it just fine... though differently than the Linux solutions I have seen | Jul 23 02:37 |
| I am actually watching, thanks | Jul 23 02:37 | |
| Snit | It lacks showing some of the features... but gives the basic idea. | Jul 23 02:38 |
| Snit | You can, of course, assign apps to any "space" or have them show on all, give each "space" its own desktop image, etc. | Jul 23 02:38 |
| sliding desktops? That's it? that is really pathetic. | Jul 23 02:38 | |
| Snit | Ah, here come the nits. | Jul 23 02:39 |
| No nits, it's simply shit. | Jul 23 02:39 | |
| Snit | No combiz craziness... so it must suck, eh | Jul 23 02:39 |
| No, it's space inefficient. You can't see all of your work. | Jul 23 02:39 | |
| Snit | twitter - in some ways it is less than what you can get on Linux... but can you even find those things? | Jul 23 02:39 |
| Snit | I mentioned one. | Jul 23 02:39 |
| Dude, desktop management is fundamental. | Jul 23 02:40 | |
| kind of like journaling file systems does OSX have those yet? | Jul 23 02:40 | |
| Snit | what does that have to do with virtual desktops? | Jul 23 02:41 |
| or do OSX filesystems need defragging and all that shit before they lose your work? | Jul 23 02:41 | |
| Snit | I mean, really... you have nothing to say there so you just change the topic. | Jul 23 02:41 |
| I'm talking about fundamentals. | Jul 23 02:41 | |
| Snit | Amazing. | Jul 23 02:41 |
| Snit | But, yes, OS X has a journaled file system. | Jul 23 02:41 |
| What do you want me to say about Expose other than it is not as functional as E16 or as featured as Compiz or KDE's window manager? | Jul 23 02:41 | |
| Snit | twitter - you are using the pasta form of complaining... just keep tossing things around and hope one sticks. | Jul 23 02:42 |
| Snit | How about actually list something it lacks? | Jul 23 02:42 |
| Snit | You know... support your view. As I did with my list (though I can offer more details if you want). | Jul 23 02:42 |
| Uh no, that's what you did with your intial and bogus list of lacks | Jul 23 02:42 | |
| Snit | See: I like to give details to support my view... but with you it is like pulling teeth and then you change the topic. | Jul 23 02:43 |
| you never pointed to anything specific like I did | Jul 23 02:43 | |
| tell me something specific that gnu/linux desktops lack | Jul 23 02:43 | |
| Snit | You have no real points... just a philosophical preference for desktop Linux and a poor understanding of the competition. So you have no real comparison basis. | Jul 23 02:43 |
| Snit | And this shows. | Jul 23 02:43 |
| Snit | Well, you mean other than the things I have listed... or do you want that list again? | Jul 23 02:44 |
| well, no, I'm letting you have some time so that the window manager pasta will slide off your face | Jul 23 02:44 | |
| Snit | I can list them and go into more detail if you like. Or even show examples, at least in some case | Jul 23 02:44 |
| I don't want your list, it was general and bogus | Jul 23 02:44 | |
| I want something specific, like a "high end image feature" that's worth my freedom | Jul 23 02:44 | |
| Snit | So pick one and ask for details. I am open to that. Unlike you I do not try to change the topic to journaled file systems. :) | Jul 23 02:44 |
| otherwise, I'm going to thing your a fanboy. | Jul 23 02:44 | |
| Snit | OK, Photoshop: smart filters, smart layers, layer sets, | Jul 23 02:45 |
| smart filters? like the GIMP magic wand? | Jul 23 02:45 | |
| Snit | No. Nothing like that at all! | Jul 23 02:45 |
| you know, something that plays with color and phase space? | Jul 23 02:45 | |
| Snit | The magic wand is a selection tool... isn't it? | Jul 23 02:46 |
| yes | Jul 23 02:46 | |
| what is a "smart filter" and why do I want it? | Jul 23 02:46 | |
| Snit | Then nothing like smart layers at all. Not even close. | Jul 23 02:46 |
| Snit | But you have no idea what is being discussed. | Jul 23 02:46 |
| Snit | A smart filter is a non-destructive filter applied to a smart layer. | Jul 23 02:46 |
| Snit | But you do not know what a smart layer is. It is, essentially, a file within a file... but that gives you a *lot* of power. | Jul 23 02:47 |
| get more descriptive please | Jul 23 02:47 | |
| a powerful layer | Jul 23 02:47 | |
| Snit | And what about adjustment layers? | Jul 23 02:47 |
| wow | Jul 23 02:47 | |
| 1.3 giggawats! | Jul 23 02:47 | |
| you are wasting my time with bullshit | Jul 23 02:47 | |
| Snit | LOL! | Jul 23 02:48 |
| Snit | What else do you want to know? Smart layers allow you to have a whole separate file embedded... one where you can resize and rotate and the like and not lose any data. | Jul 23 02:48 |
| that's like empty rhetoric with a *lot* of power | Jul 23 02:48 | |
| Snit | And you can apply filters - with masking and the like. | Jul 23 02:48 |
| layers always have rotation, so what? | Jul 23 02:49 | |
| Snit | Hold on: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wnPrZZ1e0Zg | Jul 23 02:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Basics of Smart Objects :: Photoshop Tutorial - YouTube .::. Size~: 145.41 KB | Jul 23 02:49 |
| Snit | LOL! | Jul 23 02:49 |
| and layers are always like a separate image | Jul 23 02:49 | |
| Snit | You are lost. | Jul 23 02:49 |
| Snit | Not a separate image... a separate file. | Jul 23 02:49 |
| oh wowser! | Jul 23 02:49 | |
| I'm sold | Jul 23 02:50 | |
| I'll do what you say for a *lot* of power! | Jul 23 02:50 | |
| Snit | It allows for far more editing options - and non-destructive editing in ways GIMP simply does not. | Jul 23 02:50 |
| all GIMP editing is non destructive | Jul 23 02:50 | |
| name one editing option | Jul 23 02:51 | |
| Snit | Aha... here is a good video for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l309y6i9azc | Jul 23 02:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: You Suck at Photoshop - #11: Smart Objects - YouTube .::. Size~: 149.37 KB | Jul 23 02:51 |
| just name it | Jul 23 02:51 | |
| Snit | You mean other than the ones I just did: smart objects... smart filters... layer groups... full CMYK support (though I do not use that)... video layers... history brush... | Jul 23 02:52 |
| what on Earth can I not do with GIMP that can be done with Photoshop? | Jul 23 02:52 | |
| Snit | Refine edges... vibrance layer effects... | Jul 23 02:52 |
| Snit | You mean other than the things I have been listing. | Jul 23 02:52 |
| Snit | OK, let me turn this around on you: what does GIMP have that is similar to smart objects? | Jul 23 02:53 |
| Snit | The video, above, I believe explains it well: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l309y6i9azc | Jul 23 02:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: You Suck at Photoshop - #11: Smart Objects - YouTube .::. Size~: 150.01 KB | Jul 23 02:53 |
| that's the same link, thanks | Jul 23 02:53 | |
| Snit | Yes... very good! | Jul 23 02:54 |
| Snit | And here is another one: http://tv.adobe.com/watch/russell-brown-at-photoshop-world-2011-orlando/smart-object-design-techniques/ | Jul 23 02:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Russell Brown at Photoshop World 2011 - Orlando - Smart Object Design Techniques | Adobe TV .::. Size~: 117.28 KB | Jul 23 02:54 |
| Snit | So do you get it yet? | Jul 23 02:54 |
| Snit | Anyway... I need to run. | Jul 23 02:54 |
| Snit | Have fun denying these things exist. :) | Jul 23 02:54 |
| this video is insulting | Jul 23 02:55 | |
| Snit | And keep in mind - this is your hand picked example from my list. | Jul 23 02:55 |
| Snit | The one you thought you had the best chance with, presumably. | Jul 23 02:55 |
| Snit | Of course it is... it is meant as a joke. | Jul 23 02:55 |
| he he, photo shops mac OS gui is almost like GIMP's | Jul 23 02:55 | |
| Snit | But try the Russell Brown one if that offends you. | Jul 23 02:55 |
| Snit | Um, no. Not at all. | Jul 23 02:55 |
| Snit | Though GIMP is heading toward a better UI. | Jul 23 02:56 |
| I'm patient | Jul 23 02:56 | |
| Snit | OK, I need to run... will talk later. This has been fun. | Jul 23 02:56 |
| No, GIMP's full screen GUI sucks, thanks. | Jul 23 02:56 | |
| This video is stupid. | Jul 23 02:56 | |
| Snit | GIMP's UI in general does. Sure. | Jul 23 02:56 |
| I'm not impressed | Jul 23 02:56 | |
| Snit | LOL! OK, explain what you learned in your own words. | Jul 23 02:57 |
| Snit | This ought to be goooood. | Jul 23 02:57 |
| Really, I'm not impressed. | Jul 23 02:57 | |
| Snit | But I really do need to go... so I might not see your response for a bit | Jul 23 02:57 |
| I'm still watching but don't see much of interest | Jul 23 02:57 | |
| Snit | I will wait for your comments on what you learned about smart objects. | Jul 23 02:57 |
| Snit | Of course not - it is, no offense, over your head. Completely outside of your experience. | Jul 23 02:58 |
| Snit | OK, I will let you watch and I will get my other work done. | Jul 23 02:58 |
| no, a hierarchical layer tool is just not interesting to me | Jul 23 02:58 | |
| Snit | That is layer sets... not smart objects. | Jul 23 02:59 |
| Snit | And of course it is not of interest to you - what interests you is the philosophy and not the productivity. No argument here. | Jul 23 02:59 |
| Really, there are other ways to do those things and work just as fast that GIMP uses. | Jul 23 02:59 | |
| Snit | Nope. | Jul 23 02:59 |
| Really. | Jul 23 03:00 | |
| Snit | And those ways exist in Photoshop... and are not as good. | Jul 23 03:00 |
| I just don't think you know how to use GIMP. | Jul 23 03:00 | |
| Snit | But by all means, do list them. | Jul 23 03:00 |
| I'm not going to recreate that image for you, but it's easy to do with the simple selection stamp and rotate tools GIMP has. | Jul 23 03:00 | |
| Snit | We are not talking selection and rotate. I mean, really... are you really that lost? | Jul 23 03:01 |
| and the subject matter of the video is very non free software like - one night stand uglyness | Jul 23 03:02 | |
| Snit | LOL! | Jul 23 03:02 |
| I'm really that good. | Jul 23 03:02 | |
| Snit | In other words: you claimed GIMP had something similar, and when you realized you were wrong you tried to change the topic. Got it. | Jul 23 03:02 |
| I don't need a tool that costs thousands of dollars to get my work done in less time than the asshole did. | Jul 23 03:02 | |
| Thanks for sharing but I'm really not impressed. | Jul 23 03:03 | |
| Snit | Um, he was *demoing*, not racing. | Jul 23 03:03 |
| Snit | But, sure, you focus on OSS and cost... not on productivity. I agree. | Jul 23 03:03 |
| Snit | And I have no problem with that. | Jul 23 03:03 |
| I think you don't know how to use the GIMP | Jul 23 03:04 | |
| Snit | And for many things I deal with inferior but cheaper tools, too. Heck, my table saw *sucks*, but I use it because it was free (given to me). | Jul 23 03:04 |
| that you have wasted your time and money on inferior and expensive tools | Jul 23 03:04 | |
| and I think you are afraid to admit that | Jul 23 03:04 | |
| Snit | My knowledge of GIMP is good enough to let me know neither you nor I can find any examples of something like the features I listed for GIMP. | Jul 23 03:04 |
| then you don't know enough | Jul 23 03:05 | |
| Snit | You can think what you want and make all the excuses you wish... but the fact remains, GIMP is quite primitive in comparison to Photoshop. | Jul 23 03:05 |
| Snit | As I have shown. | Jul 23 03:05 |
| and I think you lack an understanding of the fundamentals of imaging | Jul 23 03:05 | |
| Snit | Ah, and here you are: no comments on Photoshop and its features, so you start making grade school insults. | Jul 23 03:06 |
| Snit | I am not trying to be rude when I note that when you limit yourself to OSS you limit your productivity. | Jul 23 03:06 |
| actually, you have tried to be rude as well as stubborn | Jul 23 03:07 | |
| Snit | Well, I have responded to your dodging and silliness... but so be it. | Jul 23 03:07 |
| Snit | And in the end, you have nothing but insults. | Jul 23 03:07 |
| Snit | Anyway... later. | Jul 23 03:07 |
| What do you want, a movie of someone using layers? | Jul 23 03:08 | |
| I've told you that I could build the interface as quickly as that with the tools I have and know how to use. If a fancy tool does not give you an increase in productivity, I'm not sure what it's worth. | Jul 23 03:09 | |
| image, not interface | Jul 23 03:09 | |
| I'm not interested in that interface, though I'm sure someone will copy it somewhere. | Jul 23 03:09 | |
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| Snit | In the end, I have shown *lots* of areas where desktop Linux is lacking... and you have hinted that there might be some virtual desktop setting which OS X lacks (though you cannot name them) which might be a problem | Jul 23 03:10 |
| Snit | And I have agreed - they might... though OS X has some benefits in its "spaces", too. | Jul 23 03:10 |
| Snit | So use MS Paint. LOL! | Jul 23 03:10 |
| I've told you that I'm not going to move to an inferior window manager just so I can spend thousands of dollars on tools that don't do me any good and put me under the power of non free software owners | Jul 23 03:11 | |
| Snit | I mean, really... you are claiming a tool you are completely ignorant about is not of value. What a silly claim by you! | Jul 23 03:11 |
| You refuse to respect that opinion. | Jul 23 03:11 | |
| I've told you that I can get the work done better and faster with free tools. | Jul 23 03:11 | |
| but you don't want to believe it | Jul 23 03:12 | |
| Snit | I respect your valuing of OSS over productivity. I have no problem with that. I even respect it. You have a strong philosophical view and you stand behind it, even if it costs you. | Jul 23 03:12 |
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| Snit | I think that is great. | Jul 23 03:12 |
| you don't have any respect for me at all, thanks | Jul 23 03:12 | |
| Snit | But you cannot... it is like saying you can go as fast on a pogo stick as you can in a car. | Jul 23 03:12 |
| Snit | You can repeat that all you want, but you have nothing to back it up. | Jul 23 03:12 |
| that's why you try to phrase my argument when I'm telling you it's something different | Jul 23 03:12 | |
| Snit | I get it: you think you can be as productive on others even when you are using tools that do not support that productivity as well. Lovely. But this is not about the environments - and not supported at all | Jul 23 03:13 |
| I do not see GIMP as a pogo stick to your non free car. That's silly and wrong. | Jul 23 03:13 | |
| Snit | It is an exageration, for sure. | Jul 23 03:14 |
| Snit | But to think GIMP is in the same class as Photoshop is naive and a bit silly, | Jul 23 03:14 |
| Snit | It simply is not | Jul 23 03:14 |
| The environment is everything to me. I can't organize myself with less and the productivity decline in Windows or OSX is tremendous for me. | Jul 23 03:14 | |
| Snit | I have given you some of the reasons... and you just say that GIMP can rotate images. LOL! | Jul 23 03:14 |
| Snit | I mean, really... that is just silly. | Jul 23 03:14 |
| Snit | OK, need to run again. | Jul 23 03:14 |
| I need desktop stability and the ability to lay my work out. OSX and Windows don't give me those things. | Jul 23 03:15 | |
| GIMP rotates images, objects and groups of objects. | Jul 23 03:15 | |
| but really, I can get the job done with different and better tools in GIMP. | Jul 23 03:16 | |
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| msb | schestowitz: Some Microsoft sociopath forged a message in Roy's name to COLA: http://tinyurl.com/3s3vnyw | Jul 23 04:14 |
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| nothing new about that, thanks | Jul 23 04:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I wish. Its kind of like a tax, but unlike a real tax there is no oversight... the money is paid to a shadowy private org @whistlewright | Jul 23 04:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] "Roddenberry had the wisdom to realize that 'advanced' didn't mean 'more complicated.'" Okuda http://is.gd/S6X2lx | Jul 23 04:28 | |
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| snit 's little advertisement for non free software was really insulting | Jul 23 04:29 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Last Call: Page Visibility http://ow.ly/1dVGGU | Jul 23 04:30 | |
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| he basically alternated between calling me ignorant and calling me an impractical idealist | Jul 23 04:30 | |
| of course there are things I don't know about non free software - I don't use it or need it. | Jul 23 04:31 | |
| so I asked him for features that I might really like or need and he come up with nothing so wonderful it would lead me out of the happy world of free software | Jul 23 04:32 | |
| when he cured me of my ignorance, he did not respect my estimation of ability or needs and claimed zealotry kept me from admitting that I needed some nifty but rather pointless part of photoshop. | Jul 23 04:33 | |
| the advertisement itself was insulting, some dude drawing sperms and shirking child support payments | Jul 23 04:34 | |
| so icky | Jul 23 04:34 | |
| he was also insulting about the requirements I had for the base system | Jul 23 04:35 | |
| I had a look at their window manager and found it vastly inferior and inadequate for my needs. again he called me ignorant, impractical and idealistic for rejecting something that sucks. | Jul 23 04:36 | |
| Then he had the nerve to say I was rude. oh well | Jul 23 04:37 | |
| Snit | twitter: I did not speak of your needs. | Jul 23 04:38 |
| I think I'll hop on over to a OSX board and tell them that their favorite software lacks important features and is behind the time. | Jul 23 04:38 | |
| Snit | I accept your needs likely do not require anything as, well, not to sound rude, but as advanced as most of what I talked about. | Jul 23 04:38 |
| Snit | Though many of the things are pretty basic and help pretty much any user. | Jul 23 04:38 |
| Snit | twitter: if you have a list of such things I am happy to hear it. | Jul 23 04:39 |
| heh | Jul 23 04:39 | |
| I gave you my list | Jul 23 04:39 | |
| Snit | Such as with virtual desktops - I openly admit Spaces is somewhat limited for some | Jul 23 04:39 |
| Snit | You did? You listed things like a journaled file system. Which OS X has. | Jul 23 04:39 |
| Snit | What else? | Jul 23 04:39 |
| decent window management, stability and the tens of thousands of specialized free applications I have | Jul 23 04:39 | |
| Snit | Explain what you mean by "decent window management"... what do you think OS X lacks? | Jul 23 04:40 |
| Snit | And what makes you think OS X - a certified Unix - is not stable? | Jul 23 04:40 |
| Snit | And what apps? | Jul 23 04:40 |
| OSX lacks enough space to organize my work | Jul 23 04:40 | |
| Snit | Enough space? What? Get a bigger hard drive. | Jul 23 04:40 |
| desktop real estate | Jul 23 04:41 | |
| Snit | I mean, really, what the heck are you talking about? | Jul 23 04:41 |
| Snit | Get a bigger monitor. Or use two or more. | Jul 23 04:41 |
| I routinely use about 27 virtual desktops | Jul 23 04:41 | |
| Snit | And with VD you said you need 16. Which OS X has. | Jul 23 04:41 |
| I've got three or four projects open all the time | Jul 23 04:41 | |
| Snit | I see your number went up from the 16 you listed | Jul 23 04:41 |
| 16 is your number, 27 is mine | Jul 23 04:42 | |
| Snit | Well, 27 is your new number... | Jul 23 04:42 |
| Snit | Hold on, let me find the quote from you. | Jul 23 04:42 |
| I run a 3x3 screen virtual desktop for each of my projects | Jul 23 04:42 | |
| hint, search for the number 27 | Jul 23 04:42 | |
| I've usually got three or four projects going on, so I typically run 27 virtual screens. | Jul 23 04:43 | |
| I use dual monitors most of the time I'm at work, so I've got that kind or space. What OSX would not give me is the virtual real estate to organize things. | Jul 23 04:44 | |
| Snit | Ah, you spoke of E16. My mistake. | Jul 23 04:45 |
| Snit | So, yup, if you want more than 16 "spaces" and that is key to your work, OS X lets you down. | Jul 23 04:46 |
| Snit | LOL! | Jul 23 04:46 |
| I said this right after you tried to tell me that Mark Shuttleworth does not think gnu/linux is adequate. -> (06:38:23 PM) twitter: I won't use an OS that won't give me at least 27 virutal desktops ... and my freedom, thanks. | Jul 23 04:46 | |
| Snit | If you cannot figure out how to organize you work in 16 spaces that is a bit of a problem, eh? But to each their own. | Jul 23 04:46 |
| Yes, OSX lets me down like that. | Jul 23 04:47 | |
| Snit | As I noted: your focus is philosophy and cost... mine is productivity. | Jul 23 04:47 |
| and in vcf and ics formats | Jul 23 04:47 | |
| Snit | No big deal | Jul 23 04:47 |
| and in sftp support | Jul 23 04:47 | |
| Snit | SFTP. As a big deal. Really? | Jul 23 04:47 |
| Snit | LOL! | Jul 23 04:47 |
| and in many other little details that show that non free software is rather restrictive | Jul 23 04:47 | |
| yeah, integrated sftp is a big deal for me | Jul 23 04:48 | |
| Snit | Ah, now it has to be integrated... into what? | Jul 23 04:48 |
| Snit | The file browser on your desktop/ | Jul 23 04:48 |
| I want to be able to share my files with myself and my friends securely | Jul 23 04:48 | |
| it is integrated throughout KDE | Jul 23 04:48 | |
| Snit | I know what SFTP is. Geeeeez. | Jul 23 04:49 |
| Snit | Give an example of how you can use it better on KDE. Again: not saying you cannot - just want an example. | Jul 23 04:49 |
| as a browser protocol, in file dialogs in drag and drop, the works | Jul 23 04:49 | |
| Snit | Hmmm, I can see how it might be nice in a file dialog. Sure. | Jul 23 04:49 |
| when I tried to browse my network with an OSX box, I got an advertisement telling me that for the low, low price of $40 I could have an application | Jul 23 04:50 | |
| Snit | See: if you are given enough time you can come up with advantages for desktop Linux. Granted, things like more than 16 desktops is a bit silly (or at least esoteric), but so be it. | Jul 23 04:50 |
| Snit | Um, no you did not. | Jul 23 04:50 |
| this was really insulting on my friend's $2000 laptop | Jul 23 04:50 | |
| Snit | I mean, really... who do you think you are fooling. | Jul 23 04:50 |
| Snit | But you are back to price and philosophy - your focus. Mine is productivity and efficiency. | Jul 23 04:51 |
| I'm not trying to fool anyone, I'm just telling you the reasons OSX won't work for me. | Jul 23 04:51 | |
| Snit | You, it sounds like, might also be a programmer... where desktop Linux does well | Jul 23 04:51 |
| msb | "Snit"s main assignment from Microsoft is to constantly post in COLA that Linux is difficult to use because the various apps don't conform to one single UI style. | Jul 23 04:51 |
| Snit | Oh, it might not - but no need to make up stories about it pushing software on you. I mean, come on, that is silly. | Jul 23 04:51 |
| lol | Jul 23 04:52 | |
| Snit | msb: what does that even mean? | Jul 23 04:52 |
| Snit | assignment from MS? What? | Jul 23 04:52 |
| msb | Snit: It means that you are a sociopath working for Microsoft. | Jul 23 04:52 |
| Snit | What is it with you folks who have nothing to counter arguments you do not like so you make up weird stories. | Jul 23 04:52 |
| Snit | msb: OK, so you are a bit paranoid about MS. I get that. Says nothing about me. | Jul 23 04:53 |
| msb | Snit: You harm others in order to benefit yourself and you have no conscience. That is the hallmark of a sociopath. | Jul 23 04:53 |
| the one time I bothered to look at OSX, it was feature and format poor | Jul 23 04:53 | |
| Snit | But, since you bring up consistency, sure - desktop Linux does not follow basic UI guidelines. KDE apps might. Gnome apps might. But desktop Linux - pick your distro - does not. | Jul 23 04:53 |
| if you don't understand that, it's because you don't use a gnu/linux desktop to get things done | Jul 23 04:53 | |
| Snit | twitter: such details. Really shows you know your stuff! | Jul 23 04:54 |
| Snit | LOL! | Jul 23 04:54 |
| Snit | twitter - and you fold. Got it. | Jul 23 04:54 |
| eh? | Jul 23 04:54 | |
| Snit | I mean, really, I gave you a pretty good list. | Jul 23 04:54 |
| Snit | Here is more for you... hold on. | Jul 23 04:54 |
| no you didn't | Jul 23 04:54 | |
| msb | Snit: Here your assignment is to push as much anti-Linux BS as you can fabricate, and waste people's time. | Jul 23 04:55 |
| waste of time is right | Jul 23 04:55 | |
| the comparison is pretty obvious to anyone who's used a free software desktop | Jul 23 04:55 | |
| Snit | Things I value in a Mac... some of which exist on Linux, and some of which are not that universal... but many of which are common and not available on desktop Linux: | Jul 23 04:55 |
| Snit | 1) Screencasting: I do a lot of this. I need to be able to record the screen and edit it, including changing the cursor in post processing (mentioned because this is fairly rare in such software), adding arrows and shapes of my own making (PNG images with support for transparency), being able to speed up and slow down clips and do trimming and the like. Multiple tracks are also needed as well as transitions, etc. The software I now use | Jul 23 04:55 |
| Snit | 2) Presentations / presentation-style videos: sorta "PowerPoint" style, but better: more professional transitions, easier to control movement, etc. I use Keynote on OS X - nothing I know of on Windows or Linux comes close. No: OpenOffice and MS Office will not do here (they would be distant seconds, at best). | Jul 23 04:55 |
| Snit | 3) Web development: Any OS can offer a decent text editor, so that is not really that "special" with OS X (I use TextWrangler). But I also use Dreamweaver - and this is the most advanced WYSIWYG-ish web development tool you can get. Not only does it serve me well, but given that I teach students to use it, I need it for that as well. | Jul 23 04:55 |
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| lol | Jul 23 04:56 | |
| crap flood | Jul 23 04:56 | |
| msb | Snit: Then you or some other Microsoft propaganda agent will point to your crap in the log of this channel and claim that you won the argument. | Jul 23 04:56 |
| he can say that, but it's hollow | Jul 23 04:56 | |
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| Snit | Oops... too much info. Here, one at a time. | Jul 23 04:57 |
| OO is not good enough a presentation for him. that's funny. | Jul 23 04:57 | |
| save it. | Jul 23 04:57 | |
| I was not moved the first time and I won't be the second. | Jul 23 04:57 | |
| Snit | Why is that "funny"? | Jul 23 04:57 |
| Snit | Here is an example: | Jul 23 04:57 |
| Snit | http://prescottcomputerguy.com/dw/Units/Unit_02/DWCS402A.mov | Jul 23 04:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting video/quicktime type | Jul 23 04:58 |
| Snit | Show me an example of something similar made with OO.o | Jul 23 04:58 |
| it's funny because you are an unreasonable perfectionist | Jul 23 04:58 | |
| msb | twitter: They post those claims in COLA, e.g., DrPizza beat Roy -- when of course he didn't. | Jul 23 04:58 |
| Snit | perfectionist... maybe... I demand high quality. | Jul 23 04:58 |
| Snit | But here is my list | Jul 23 04:58 |
| I can show you a fantastic presentation made with Google Office if you have the time | Jul 23 04:58 | |
| Snit | 1) Screencasting: I do a lot of this. I need to be able to record the screen and edit it, including changing the cursor in post processing (mentioned because this is fairly rare in such software), adding arrows and shapes of my own making (PNG images with support for transparency), being able to speed up and slow down clips and do trimming and the like. Multiple tracks are also needed as well as transitions, etc. The software I now use | Jul 23 04:58 |
| Snit | twitter... I need to leave in a bit, but make one and show it to me later. That would be great | Jul 23 04:59 |
| you sacrifice your freedom for details that don't matter and ignore interface features that are huge | Jul 23 04:59 | |
| Snit | 2) Presentations / presentation-style videos: sorta "PowerPoint" style, but better: more professional transitions, easier to control movement, etc. I use Keynote on OS X - nothing I know of on Windows or Linux comes close. No: OpenOffice and MS Office will not do here (they would be distant seconds, at best). | Jul 23 04:59 |
| Google it snit | Jul 23 04:59 | |
| Snit | Ah, back to philosophy... got it. Yes, that and price are your focus. And I have nothing against that. | Jul 23 04:59 |
| Snit | 3) Web development: Any OS can offer a decent text editor, so that is not really that "special" with OS X (I use TextWrangler). But I also use Dreamweaver - and this is the most advanced WYSIWYG-ish web development tool you can get. Not only does it serve me well, but given that I teach students to use it, I need it for that as well. | Jul 23 04:59 |
| Snit | Google what... your attempts to support your claims? | Jul 23 04:59 |
| Snit | Huh? | Jul 23 04:59 |
| Snit | No thanks. | Jul 23 04:59 |
| no the big details are not ideological | Jul 23 04:59 | |
| Snit | 4) Running Windows in a VM: with the ability to set "screen" size for recording. This includes having mouse drivers that allow for the post-processing change with screencasting - not sure if all options have that. Also need decent video drivers and the like, but I do not need to be able to play high end games and the like in the VM. | Jul 23 04:59 |
| they are very practical | Jul 23 04:59 | |
| Snit | 5) Reading text on screen: there is nothing like Tofu on any OS other than OS X... not that I know of anyway. <http://amarsagoo.info/tofu/> | Jul 23 05:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found | Jul 23 05:00 |
| heh, I do 4 all the time | Jul 23 05:00 | |
| Snit | Give me an example of this practicality | Jul 23 05:00 |
| Snit | Yeah... some are pretty easy on desktop Linux. Though I do not know the state of the video cards on VMs with Windows. And the integration. Might be good though. | Jul 23 05:00 |
| what do you mean? Just use virtual box and recordmydesktop and see for yourself | Jul 23 05:00 | |
| Snit | 6) Image editing. I use Photoshop and, frankly, GIMP will not do. No smart objects is just a starter as to why. I have gone into more detail elsewhere. | Jul 23 05:00 |
| Snit | I have... | Jul 23 05:00 |
| Snit | by why recordmydesktop when I have ScreenFlow which is not just screen recording but a screencasting tools? | Jul 23 05:01 |
| well then, you know it works and you are yanking my chain | Jul 23 05:01 | |
| Snit | 7) Integrated color selector: so I can have swatches that I can share between programs as well as having multiple color selection techniques... and add my own if needed / desired (I have). | Jul 23 05:01 |
| now you are just full of hot air | Jul 23 05:01 | |
| Snit | twitter: nope. last time I used virtual box it was pretty bad in comparison - but it may have improved. | Jul 23 05:01 |
| Snit | 8) "Advanced" window controls: ability to get a path from almost any file (makes it easier to find... and move up the path on websites), proxy icons with their ability to move files as well as attach them to emails, etc.) | Jul 23 05:01 |
| Snit | 9) Better email program: including ability to quickly view attachments without saving and opening them, even having a slideshow of images if you want. | Jul 23 05:01 |
| Snit | Lacking anything of value to say, twitter tosses in insults. Got it! | Jul 23 05:02 |
| Snit | 10) Relatively consistent hot keys and menu items (for common items!). For example, I can quickly get to the prefs of any app from the same place. Even a new app I have never seen before. | Jul 23 05:02 |
| msb | One of the great things about free software is that I can try any program or set of programs that I want, use them however I want without having to worry about licensing, and I can describe the process and anyone in the world can follow it and improve it whether they're rich or poor. | Jul 23 05:02 |
| Snit | 11) System services: ability to do ROT13 or all-cap and a lot more from almost any program. | Jul 23 05:02 |
| Snit | 12) PDF Services: I can easily "print" a PDF to a receipts folder or a recipe folder or my desktop or whatever without having to even dig through files... just set up my common areas. Can also "print" like this to other programs or even over a network. | Jul 23 05:02 |
| "screencasting" is a marketing term, not a feature | Jul 23 05:02 | |
| Snit | twitter: nope. Screencasting is a pretty specific thing. You just have no Linux software to counter with. | Jul 23 05:02 |
| Snit | I showed you the links to the program, with demos. | Jul 23 05:03 |
| I was not really impressed, thanks | Jul 23 05:03 | |
| and those things are not what I need. | Jul 23 05:03 | |
| Snit | msb: no, you cannot use any program on Linux. As I am noting, there are many classes of software where it is lacking. | Jul 23 05:03 |
| Snit | twitter: you are not the world. Now you know! | Jul 23 05:03 |
| Snit | 14) Easier troubleshooting: pref files in a easy to find place with a common file format, can be tossed and recreated without hurting the program. Simple program like YASU to handle almost all maintenance tasks. | Jul 23 05:03 |
| I'm happy with the gnu/linux pdf printing subsystem, thanks | Jul 23 05:03 | |
| Snit | 15) iWeb - for super-simple and quick sites. | Jul 23 05:04 |
| Snit | You mean CUPS... owned by Apple? | Jul 23 05:04 |
| Snit | But that has nothing to do with PDF Services. | Jul 23 05:04 |
| Snit | 16) Screen with a glass covering. Big advantage. Huge. | Jul 23 05:04 |
| Snit | 17) Integrated wireless networking without having a "dongle" sticking out that is too easy to break. | Jul 23 05:04 |
| there are several that I've been using before Apple put their trademark on cups | Jul 23 05:04 | |
| Snit | Sure. Apple only got CUPS fairly recently. | Jul 23 05:04 |
| and cups is free software, owned by no one or I would not use it | Jul 23 05:05 | |
| Snit | But it is not like OS X does not use it. | Jul 23 05:05 |
| msb | Snit: What I've found, since I started using Unix around 1980, is that almost anything I can think of in the way of software, someone has already programmed it and put it out for public use. Previously in Usenet, now on the Web. | Jul 23 05:05 |
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| Snit | CUPS is the standards-based, open source printing system developed by http://www.apple.com/ for Mac OS® X and other UNIX®-like operating systems. | Jul 23 05:05 |
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| Snit | Well, currently developed by. | Jul 23 05:05 |
| Snit | It is not like they created it. | Jul 23 05:05 |
| oh come on, they invented printing, right? | Jul 23 05:06 | |
| Snit | twitter: what? Where did you even come up with that? | Jul 23 05:06 |
| I've seen that movie where the guy with the really boring corporate font tells us all about it. | Jul 23 05:06 | |
| Snit | But now that you mention it... Apple did pretty much invent desktop publishing. | Jul 23 05:06 |
| Snit | But I was not even thinking about that. | Jul 23 05:06 |
| Xerox | Jul 23 05:06 | |
| Snit | What about Xerox? | Jul 23 05:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] Oh god, win. I just made a plymouth theme that matches my kdm, ksplash and plasma wallpaper, so I have the same image from boot to desktop | Jul 23 05:07 | |
| go look up a quote about robbing Xerox | Jul 23 05:07 | |
| Snit | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desktop_publishing: Desktop publishing began in 1985 with the introduction of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacPublisher, the first http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WYSIWYG layout program, which ran on the original 128K http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Macintosh computer. | Jul 23 05:07 |
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| Snit | brb | Jul 23 05:08 |
| I would have pointed to Aldus Page Maker for Apple stuff, but I'm sure there were other publishing programs around http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_PageMaker | Jul 23 05:08 | |
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| he he, the Desktop publishing page has an image of scribus up front | Jul 23 05:10 | |
| -> The term "desktop publishing" is attributed to Aldus Corporation founder Paul Brainerd,[2] who sought a marketing catch-phrase to describe the small size and relative affordability of this suite of products in contrast to the expensive commercial phototypesetting equipment of the day. | Jul 23 05:11 | |
| dope, there's that Aldus guy. | Jul 23 05:11 | |
| msb | CUPS was invented by Michael Sweet in 1997, and first published in 1999 and quickly adopted by various Linux distros including Red Hat. Apple adopted it for OSX in 2002, and bought the source code and hired Sweet in 2007. | Jul 23 05:11 |
| msb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/CUPS | Jul 23 05:12 |
| Snit | The DTP market exploded in 1985 with the introduction in January of the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_Inc. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LaserWriter printer, and later in July with the introduction of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adobe_PageMaker software from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aldus_Corporation which rapidly became the DTP industry standard software. | Jul 23 05:12 |
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| Hey, but Apple invented publishing.... | Jul 23 05:12 | |
| Snit | msb: right... and twitter said he would stop using it if it was owned by Apple. | Jul 23 05:12 |
| it's hard to own free software, even if you are sneaky enough to get your branding all over it. | Jul 23 05:13 | |
| Snit | So, hmmm... Apple has owned CUPS for over half its life... I had not thought of that. I was thinking it was more recently acquired by them. Interesting. | Jul 23 05:13 |
| I think I'll remove all of the apple branding from my nice free software | Jul 23 05:13 | |
| but this is going nowhere fast | Jul 23 05:14 | |
| Snit | twitter: enjoy. And it fits your focus. I have no problem with that. | Jul 23 05:14 |
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| msb | Desktop publishing does not have an exact definition. People used to publish complete documents with covers, etc., using word processors. | Jul 23 05:14 |
| Snit | twitter: right - you can point to oodles of desktops and SFTP in save dialogs (which can be sorta cool - you got me on that one)... and I can show you where DT Linux is simply far, far behind in many other areas. | Jul 23 05:15 |
| msb | Snit: | Jul 23 05:15 |
| Snit | msb: you can redefine things if you want to help you feel better. I am OK with that. | Jul 23 05:15 |
| msb | Snit: So says Microsoft. | Jul 23 05:15 |
| Like Scribus is "far behind" what? | Jul 23 05:15 | |
| Snit | I never said it was. But good try! | Jul 23 05:15 |
| or Inkscape? | Jul 23 05:15 | |
| Snit | I do not know Scribus or InkScape well enough to say. | Jul 23 05:16 |
| Snit | But I gave many other examples in areas I am familiar with. | Jul 23 05:16 |
| or browsers, email clients, window managers, and most of the software that most people want to use daily? | Jul 23 05:16 | |
| msb | Of course Apple got the entire WIMP GUI paradigm from Xerox PARC. | Jul 23 05:16 |
| msb | Did they pay for it, or just copy it? | Jul 23 05:16 |
| Snit | msb: you can tell yourself that if it makes you feel better. It is, of course, not true, but whatever | Jul 23 05:17 |
| BBC has a 1950's demo of a mouse, pointer interface | Jul 23 05:17 | |
| Snit | Heck, the Xerox machine did not have double clicking, overlapping windows, etc. | Jul 23 05:17 |
| it's kinda .... obvious | Jul 23 05:17 | |
| Snit | But Xerox was very influential... no doubt. | Jul 23 05:17 |
| Snit | LOL! Obvious now that everyone is doing it. | Jul 23 05:17 |
| obvious when some researcher carved a 2 wheel mouse back in 1950 something | Jul 23 05:18 | |
| Snit | I was in the industry at the time as everyone was speaking about how absurd it was for Apple to make the *first* consumer mouse-driven GUI interface. | Jul 23 05:18 |
| yeah, obvious | Jul 23 05:18 | |
| Snit | twitter: and desktop Linux still cannot get it right. :) | Jul 23 05:18 |
| I remember the Microsoft people saying how stupid Apple's interface was. | Jul 23 05:18 | |
| some things never change, do they snit? | Jul 23 05:19 | |
| Snit | But for someone fairly new to the industry I can see why they would think that. It has become the norm. | Jul 23 05:19 |
| Snit | twitter: yup - MS and all the tech journals. | Jul 23 05:19 |
| the Microsoft tech journalists | Jul 23 05:19 | |
| Snit | Heck, I used to teach WP 5.1 and then moved to the Mac. Even using those horrid little 9 inch screens I could see it was much better. | Jul 23 05:19 |
| I remember them polluting Byte and turning into a Windows magazine | Jul 23 05:19 | |
| Snit | And other tech journals... not just from MS or even just about MS. | Jul 23 05:20 |
| it's time for me to go to bed | Jul 23 05:20 | |
| msb | The Xerox Alto and Star computers. | Jul 23 05:20 |
| this conversation is pointless and insulting | Jul 23 05:20 | |
| gn | Jul 23 05:20 | |
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| msb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xerox_PARC#Adoption_by_Apple | Jul 23 05:21 |
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| Snit | twitter: of course it is... you make all sorts of claims you cannot support and just run from facts you do not like. | Jul 23 05:22 |
| Snit | But I enjoy such "debates". Call it a weakness. | Jul 23 05:22 |
| Snit | Looking at Scribus info... they are bragging about kerning. LOL! | Jul 23 05:22 |
| Snit | That is funny. | Jul 23 05:23 |
| Snit | Apple has built in kerning and ligatures and the like - available to almost all apps | Jul 23 05:23 |
| msb | Snit: It's not a "weakness", it's a job you're paid to do. To run down Linux to try to prevent people from trying it. | Jul 23 05:23 |
| Snit | And you need to install other software to export to PDF. | Jul 23 05:23 |
| Snit | msb: your paranoia is showing again. Really... when you make up such stories you just show you are not able to face reality. | Jul 23 05:24 |
| Snit | But what makes you think I try to prevent people from using it? Heck, I have been very vocal about using it in schools and having set up some customers with it. | Jul 23 05:24 |
| msb | Snit: Yeah? Tell us your actual identity, and your actual sources of income. | Jul 23 05:25 |
| Snit | Use what serves you best. But on the desktop, Linux is rarely it. Well, unless you consider external things such as cost, which is a big deal in many settings. | Jul 23 05:25 |
| Snit | Not putting that down at all | Jul 23 05:25 |
| Snit | It is well known in COLA. | Jul 23 05:25 |
| Snit | But why don't you go first? Who are you? What do you do? | Jul 23 05:25 |
| Snit | And even if I do not... so? It is not like I have some obligation to counter your fantasies. | Jul 23 05:26 |
| Snit | But, if you care: I teach at some colleges (online ones mostly, though I do have some face to face classes some semesters) and I have my own tech biz | Jul 23 05:26 |
| msb | People have installed Linux on library computers and the public just goes in and uses it with no problems. | Jul 23 05:26 |
| Snit | msb: and for those types of things where you need access to a DB and the web, I would likely go with Linux, too. Great solution for that... and libraries are often strapped for money, so even if it is not *as good* it is good enough. Would need to know the particulars, though. | Jul 23 05:27 |
| msb | Snit: You've been FUDding about Linux for years in COLA. By trying to prevent people from using it you are harming them. You are obviously benefitting from this somehow. That makes you a sociopath. | Jul 23 05:28 |
| Snit | Heck, I am in the midst of setting up a local small museum with Ubuntu... maybe. I am volunteering but there are politics as to who they can "hire". Silly. | Jul 23 05:28 |
| Snit | msb: you can make up stories about me if it makes you feel better. | Jul 23 05:28 |
| Snit | Does not speak well of you though. | Jul 23 05:28 |
| DrPizza | Some people might benefit from not using Linux. | Jul 23 05:28 |
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| DrPizza | People who need to do useful work with their computers, for example. | Jul 23 05:28 |
| Snit | Anyway... need to run. | Jul 23 05:29 |
| Snit | Been fun. Might come back later depending on what is going on here. Might not. At least tonight. | Jul 23 05:29 |
| Snit | Have fun. | Jul 23 05:29 |
| msb | Snit: Yeah your sociopath tag-team partner has come in. | Jul 23 05:29 |
| DrPizza | lol! | Jul 23 05:29 |
| Snit | And, msb and twitter, try not to tell too many lies about me - remember, the conversation is logged. Your lies will be easy to call out if I care to look at them. | Jul 23 05:30 |
| Snit | DrPizza... yeah, I called you and asked you to join the conversation. You are on my speed dial. | Jul 23 05:30 |
| Snit | That is what the paranoia makes msb think. I did not whine when he entered the conversation with twitter and I. | Jul 23 05:30 |
| msb | Snit: Actually you've not said that you aren't compensated by Microsoft in some way. | Jul 23 05:30 |
| DrPizza | 1-900-TROLLS4U | Jul 23 05:30 |
| Snit | OK, later | Jul 23 05:30 |
| Snit | msb: I am not. MS has never paid me a penny. | Jul 23 05:31 |
| Snit | How about you? | Jul 23 05:31 |
| Snit | Oh, and you never asked you silly paranoid fool/ | Jul 23 05:31 |
| msb | Snit: Or given you anything? | Jul 23 05:31 |
| Snit | Yeah, I sank to calling you names. | Jul 23 05:31 |
| Snit | msb: hmmmm.... I think I have gotten mail from them. Ads. | Jul 23 05:31 |
| Snit | Wait... no, that would be Dell an the like. | Jul 23 05:31 |
| Snit | I have bought an MS mouse... | Jul 23 05:31 |
| msb | Snit: Not denying that yet. | Jul 23 05:31 |
| Snit | But no, they have not sent me a computer or bright me dancing women. | Jul 23 05:32 |
| Snit | msb: your paranoia is amusing. | Jul 23 05:32 |
| Snit | Ok, later | Jul 23 05:32 |
| DrPizza | How exactly does one get on the MS payroll? | Jul 23 05:32 |
| DrPizza | How does it work? | Jul 23 05:32 |
| DrPizza | Do you have to fulfil quotas? | Jul 23 05:32 |
| DrPizza | Annoy X number of Linux trolls per day? | Jul 23 05:32 |
| Snit | msb: oh, in case you did not know - MS has all of the light bulb makers under their control... wherever there is a lightbulb, MS is watching you. | Jul 23 05:32 |
| msb | You have to be a sociopath like the Microsoft top management. | Jul 23 05:33 |
| Snit | So get rid of all the bulbs in your house. Now. Or MS will know what you are doing. And they will tell me. | Jul 23 05:33 |
| DrPizza | Right, because it's certainly sociopathic giving billions to charity and trying to eradicate communicable diseases. | Jul 23 05:33 |
| Snit | I am sure you believe that... right? :) | Jul 23 05:33 |
| Snit | MS gives out light bulbs, too. They just do not make it public. They hide that so people will not know. | Jul 23 05:34 |
| Snit | But msb has light bulbs in his house. MS knows all. | Jul 23 05:34 |
| msb | It's very sociopathic to finance SCO with $100,000,000 to perpetrate a totally fraudulent lawsuit against Linux distributors and users. | Jul 23 05:34 |
| msb | Also to pay big bucks to PR companies to send totally fraudulent letters to editors, etc., in favor of Microsoft -- http://articles.latimes.com/1998/apr/10/news/mn-38008 | Jul 23 05:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Empty reply from server ( http://articles.latimes.com/1998/apr/10/news/mn-38008 ) | Jul 23 05:36 |
| msb | And to coerce magazines to not run articles favorable to Linux, by threatening to withdraw the Microsoft advertising. | Jul 23 05:37 |
| msb | Microsoft is viciously evil. | Jul 23 05:38 |
| msb | And to bribe columnists like Rob Enderle and half a dozen others. | Jul 23 05:40 |
| msb | And kill OS/2 and BeOS by manipulating Windows licensing against any companies that sold computers with those OS's preloaded. | Jul 23 05:41 |
| msb | You're awfully quiet "DrPizza". | Jul 23 05:42 |
| DrPizza | Viciously evil? | Jul 23 05:42 |
| DrPizza | lol | Jul 23 05:42 |
| DrPizza | Again: how do I get in on these bribes? | Jul 23 05:42 |
| DrPizza | They sound great. | Jul 23 05:42 |
| DrPizza | Or are you just full of shit? | Jul 23 05:42 |
| msb | Think you can laugh off all the evidence I just cited? | Jul 23 05:42 |
| DrPizza | Evidence of bribes? | Jul 23 05:43 |
| DrPizza | Please go ahead and present some. | Jul 23 05:43 |
| msb | Your lies and deception don't work with anyone who thinks. | Jul 23 05:43 |
| DrPizza | What "lies and deception"? I'm just asking to see the evidence. | Jul 23 05:44 |
| msb | You already have the LA Times article. http://groklaw.net/ provides detailed coverage of the fraudulent SCO lawsuit. | Jul 23 05:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Groklaw - Digging for Truth .::. Size~: 60.32 KB | Jul 23 05:46 |
| DrPizza | Huh? | Jul 23 05:46 |
| DrPizza | That doesn't provide any evidence of bribing journalists. | Jul 23 05:46 |
| msb | DrPizza: So you're going to ignore the lying PR and the SCO suit until I give evidence on Enderle? | Jul 23 05:52 |
| DrPizza | Enderle and "half a dozen others". | Jul 23 05:52 |
| msb | Well, ignore away -- stick your head in the ground. It won't deter people who think from reading what I already posted. | Jul 23 05:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] ah, i see you caught my reference :) @whistlewright | Jul 23 05:53 | |
| msb | Propaganda methods don't work on people who think. | Jul 23 05:53 |
| DrPizza | No, it'll show them that you make claims without a shred of proof. | Jul 23 05:54 |
| msb | Enderle attacks free software -- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Enderle#Comments | Jul 23 05:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Rob Enderle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 51.37 KB | Jul 23 05:55 |
| DrPizza | So? | Jul 23 05:55 |
| DrPizza | That isn't evidence that he's been bribed. | Jul 23 05:56 |
| msb | http://macdailynews.com/2008/10/29/bbc_blows_it_calls_rob_enderle_independent_during_windows_7_demo_failure/ | Jul 23 05:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC blows it: Calls Rob Enderle ‘independent’ during Windows 7 demo failure – MacDailyNews - Welcome Home .::. Size~: 120.68 KB | Jul 23 05:57 |
| msb | He has worked for Microsoft. | Jul 23 05:57 |
| DrPizza | You specifically claimed that he had been bribed. | Jul 23 05:57 |
| DrPizza | Where is your evidence? | Jul 23 05:57 |
| msb | They gave him money. | Jul 23 05:57 |
| DrPizza | Not every cash transaction is a bribe. | Jul 23 05:58 |
| DrPizza | The word has a particular meaning. | Jul 23 05:58 |
| DrPizza | Where is your evidence? | Jul 23 05:58 |
| msb | So it's just a coincidence that they paid him for something and he published vicious lies against Linux? | Jul 23 05:58 |
| DrPizza | I am not talking about that or interested in that. | Jul 23 05:59 |
| DrPizza | You specifically claimed that he had been bribed. | Jul 23 05:59 |
| DrPizza | Where is your evidence? | Jul 23 05:59 |
| msb | MS paid him money, and he wrote lots of lies about Linux (just like you do). Lots of them are listed in the Wiki article. | Jul 23 06:00 |
| DrPizza | Where is the evidence that they bribed him? | Jul 23 06:00 |
| DrPizza | What lies do I write about Linux? | Jul 23 06:00 |
| DrPizza | Actually never mind that, let's stick to the bribes. | Jul 23 06:00 |
| DrPizza | Let's not get distracted. | Jul 23 06:00 |
| DrPizza | Where is your evidence specifically of bribes? | Jul 23 06:00 |
| msb | There are pages of them in the logs of this irc channel. | Jul 23 06:00 |
| msb | MS pays him and he lies for them. That is the evidence. | Jul 23 06:01 |
| DrPizza | But that is not evidence. | Jul 23 06:01 |
| msb | To someone who isn't a sociopath hooked up with Microsoft, it is. | Jul 23 06:01 |
| DrPizza | I'm starting to think you do not know what a bribe even is. | Jul 23 06:01 |
| msb | I'm starting to think you will waste my time and continue to ignore the evidence as long as I let you. | Jul 23 06:03 |
| DrPizza | You haven't provided any evidence. | Jul 23 06:03 |
| msb | So goodbye, and I'm sure you will eventually meet a well-deserved fate. | Jul 23 06:03 |
| DrPizza | lol. | Jul 23 06:03 |
| msb | To anybody reading this, if you are tempted to believe DrPizza's lie that I haven't provided any evidence, here it is again: | Jul 23 06:06 |
| msb | http://articles.latimes.com/1998/apr/10/news/mn-38008 | Jul 23 06:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Empty reply from server ( http://articles.latimes.com/1998/apr/10/news/mn-38008 ) | Jul 23 06:07 |
| msb | http://groklaw.net/ | Jul 23 06:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Groklaw - Digging for Truth .::. Size~: 60.14 KB | Jul 23 06:07 |
| DrPizza | The LA Times story does not mention Enderle at all. | Jul 23 06:07 |
| msb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rob_Enderle#Comments | Jul 23 06:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Rob Enderle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 51.37 KB | Jul 23 06:08 |
| DrPizza | How is that evidence that Microsoft has bribed Enderle and "half a dozen others"? | Jul 23 06:08 |
| msb | http://macdailynews.com/2008/10/29/bbc_blows_it_calls_rob_enderle_independent_during_windows_7_demo_failure/ | Jul 23 06:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC blows it: Calls Rob Enderle ‘independent’ during Windows 7 demo failure – MacDailyNews - Welcome Home .::. Size~: 120.68 KB | Jul 23 06:08 |
| DrPizza | The word "Bribe" isn't mentioned once in the Wikipedia article. | Jul 23 06:08 |
| msb | Microsoft paid Enderle and he lied for Microsoft. | Jul 23 06:09 |
| cubezzz | paid-for analyst does shilling for Microsoft | Jul 23 06:09 |
| DrPizza | cubezzz: But being paid to espouse a viewpoint is not bribery. | Jul 23 06:09 |
| msb | It is if you don't reveal that you've been paid -- if you pretend to be an honest tech analyst! | Jul 23 06:10 |
| cubezzz | well... | Jul 23 06:10 |
| msb | That's what Enderle did! | Jul 23 06:10 |
| cubezzz | I'd disregard what Enderle says | Jul 23 06:10 |
| DrPizza | msb: When? What payments were made, and when? By whom? How much was paid? What was the arrangement made between payer and payee? | Jul 23 06:11 |
| cubezzz | a paid shill, full-stop | Jul 23 06:11 |
| cubezzz | he works for microsoft, what do you expect | Jul 23 06:11 |
| cubezzz | he's hardly impartial | Jul 23 06:12 |
| msb | Enderle and "DrPizza" both. | Jul 23 06:12 |
| DrPizza | wait what? | Jul 23 06:12 |
| DrPizza | I get paid by Microsoft too? | Jul 23 06:12 |
| DrPizza | When did this happen? | Jul 23 06:12 |
| cubezzz | no, I didn't say that | Jul 23 06:12 |
| cubezzz | I was referring only to Enderle | Jul 23 06:12 |
| msb | I say it though. | Jul 23 06:12 |
| DrPizza | And your evidence for that is...? | Jul 23 06:13 |
| msb | He, or his wife, or somebody is getting paid somehow by MS, in money, goods, services. | Jul 23 06:13 |
| msb | It's easy to hide bribery. | Jul 23 06:13 |
| DrPizza | I don't have a wife. | Jul 23 06:13 |
| msb | Whatever. | Jul 23 06:13 |
| DrPizza | Yes, that does rather seem to be your attitude when faced with facts. | Jul 23 06:14 |
| DrPizza | Facts are totally irrelevant to you. | Jul 23 06:14 |
| DrPizza | Your beliefs are not reality-based. | Jul 23 06:14 |
| msb | There are Superior Court judges in California who took out big mortgages on their expensive homes, which were then paid off by anonymous entities. | Jul 23 06:14 |
| DrPizza | I'm not sure how that relates to me. | Jul 23 06:15 |
| msb | They're still serving on the courts. | Jul 23 06:15 |
| DrPizza | It's possible. | Jul 23 06:15 |
| msb | It's an example of how easy it is to launder bribes to unscrupulous sociopaths like you, "DrPizza". | Jul 23 06:15 |
| DrPizza | I'm failing to see what relevance it has to me. | Jul 23 06:15 |
| DrPizza | So your evidence that I take bribes is your assertion that it's "easy" and that I'm an "unscrupulous sociopath", and that's good enough for you? | Jul 23 06:18 |
| DrPizza | Actual facts are totally unnecessary for your judgement? | Jul 23 06:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good morning @mcnalu | Jul 23 06:20 | |
| abeNd-org | if the facts point to you taking bribes in one form or fashion.. | Jul 23 06:22 |
| DrPizza | abeNd-org: ... which they don't. | Jul 23 06:23 |
| DrPizza | And implication is not evidence. | Jul 23 06:23 |
| DrPizza | No matter how unbelievable you may think it is that someone has a preference other than Linux. | Jul 23 06:24 |
| cubezzz | I use Plan 9 and BSD | Jul 23 06:24 |
| cubezzz | VM/CMS was also a good OS | Jul 23 06:25 |
| abeNd-org | it is amazing how many school districts ive seen around here switch from novl to ms since some bigwig suddenly got a new pool, and he just so happens to have golfbuddies who just so happen to work at ms...but no one ever wants to see that as a bribe | Jul 23 06:25 |
| DrPizza | So an operating system in which everything really _is_ a file. | Jul 23 06:25 |
| cubezzz | the problem is closed source for those of us who want source code | Jul 23 06:25 |
| DrPizza | cubezzz: But not everybody has that desire, and even the people who do have that desire don't necessarily make it their top priority. | Jul 23 06:26 |
| cubezzz | the general idea of a portable open source OS is pretty important | Jul 23 06:28 |
| DrPizza | cubezzz: I mean, I've made contributions to open source projects, forked open source projects, and released open source code of my own; I do understand the value of having the source. But I also enjoy various benefits that arise from allowing companies to sell licenses to their software. | Jul 23 06:28 |
| abeNd-org | if those closed sourced companies that you pay high dollar for programs actually worked & had support worth a darn | Jul 23 06:29 |
| cubezzz | oh they usually work | Jul 23 06:29 |
| DrPizza | abeNd-org: But they do. | Jul 23 06:29 |
| cubezzz | the problem is if you become dependent on them, you're paying a never-ending tax | Jul 23 06:29 |
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| cubezzz | here's the new windows, etc etc | Jul 23 06:30 |
| cubezzz | now buy a new computer for it | Jul 23 06:30 |
| cubezzz | I want choices | Jul 23 06:30 |
| DrPizza | cubezzz: Sure, but there's no shortage of operating systems to choose from. | Jul 23 06:30 |
| DrPizza | So why shouldn't some of those choices be proprietary, if people find that useful? | Jul 23 06:31 |
| cubezzz | 1 year license on a virus scanner, that's a good business for the software company | Jul 23 06:31 |
| cubezzz | not for the user though | Jul 23 06:31 |
| cubezzz | dare I call it tax for the stupid? | Jul 23 06:31 |
| msb | DrPizza: How is it exactly that for ten years Microsoft sold version after version of Windows that were all susceptible to viruses -- millions of them eventually -- which cost US businessess tens of billions of dollars. | Jul 23 06:31 |
| DrPizza | Virus scanners have on-going active maintenance requirements. | Jul 23 06:31 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: I partly agree and disagree. | Jul 23 06:32 |
| cubezzz | I don't advocate that much actually | Jul 23 06:32 |
| cubezzz | people use whatever | Jul 23 06:32 |
| msb | When Linux was resistant to viruses from the beginning, by adhering to simple Unix design principles. | Jul 23 06:32 |
| DrPizza | msb: Any operating system is "susceptible to viruses". Or what, you gonna claim that Linux has never had arbitrary code execution flaws, privilege escalation flaws? | Jul 23 06:32 |
| oiaohm | chromeos demos what can be done to a OS to prevent infection. | Jul 23 06:32 |
| DrPizza | And most importantly: stupid user flaws | Jul 23 06:32 |
| oiaohm | It kinda the max you can do. | Jul 23 06:32 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: and yet, it's still flawed. | Jul 23 06:32 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: People can still brake into ChromeOS. | Jul 23 06:32 |
| DrPizza | er | Jul 23 06:32 |
| DrPizza | break | Jul 23 06:32 |
| DrPizza | :o | Jul 23 06:32 |
| cubezzz | DrPizza, never saw any o that on OpenBSD | Jul 23 06:33 |
| oiaohm | Infact ChromeOS has a switch that lets you in. | Jul 23 06:33 |
| cubezzz | or Plan 9 for that matter | Jul 23 06:33 |
| DrPizza | cubezzz: OpenBSD has certainly had flaws even in its default install | Jul 23 06:33 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: you try infect a chrome OS machine that lives past a reboot. | Jul 23 06:33 |
| DrPizza | cubezzz: and rather more as you add software to make it useful | Jul 23 06:33 |
| oiaohm | If the switch is not changed DrPizza | Jul 23 06:33 |
| oiaohm | It don't happen. | Jul 23 06:33 |
| cubezzz | and a live cd is pretty much unbreakable | Jul 23 06:33 |
| oiaohm | chromeos and livecd are kinda the max you can do. | Jul 23 06:34 |
| oiaohm | Windows not even close. | Jul 23 06:34 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: I don't know the specifics of the ChromeOS attacks, but they're sufficient to compromise all your private data, steal all your passwords, etc. | Jul 23 06:34 |
| oiaohm | To what can be done without antivirus. | Jul 23 06:34 |
| cubezzz | I've been running fc1 + my own patches for 7 years | Jul 23 06:34 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: Only the data that was in the machine at time of comproimise can be taken from a chrome os machine. | Jul 23 06:34 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: In any case, are the compromises that ChromeOS forces really worth the additional (but not perfect) protection from malicious software? | Jul 23 06:34 |
| DrPizza | I don't think so | Jul 23 06:35 |
| cubezzz | anywas, honey-pots are fun | Jul 23 06:35 |
| cubezzz | I like it when they attack those | Jul 23 06:35 |
| oiaohm | An anti-virus don't protect you from zero day infections either. DrPizza | Jul 23 06:35 |
| msb | I think Microsoft did it to induce their victim-customers to buy each new version in the hopes that it would fix the problem. Which it never did. | Jul 23 06:35 |
| oiaohm | Thing is long term infection is a worse risk. DrPizza | Jul 23 06:36 |
| cubezzz | imagine I had my own CPU, no one could attack me then | Jul 23 06:36 |
| DrPizza | msb: Of course you do. | Jul 23 06:36 |
| cubezzz | as in a unique CPU | Jul 23 06:36 |
| oiaohm | Ie infection can wait around for you to use items like credit cards. DrPizza | Jul 23 06:36 |
| oiaohm | With a windows machine. | Jul 23 06:36 |
| cubezzz | they wouldn't even know my instruction set :) | Jul 23 06:36 |
| msb | DrPizza: Then you tell me why they didn't fix it. | Jul 23 06:36 |
| oiaohm | Since infectiction live past boot ups. | Jul 23 06:37 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: Yes, but ChromeOS is susceptible to "long-term" infections, just as long as you don't reboot. | Jul 23 06:37 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: 8 hours. | Jul 23 06:37 |
| DrPizza | It forces you to reboot every 8 hors? | Jul 23 06:37 |
| DrPizza | That's awful | Jul 23 06:37 |
| DrPizza | msb: You can't fix user stupidity. | Jul 23 06:37 |
| oiaohm | genernally. | Jul 23 06:37 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: with no way to even prevent it? | Jul 23 06:37 |
| oiaohm | the lock is 24 hours. DrPizza | Jul 23 06:37 |
| DrPizza | You can be in the middle of doing something and it'll just reboot? | Jul 23 06:37 |
| DrPizza | wtf | Jul 23 06:37 |
| oiaohm | When it will power down. | Jul 23 06:37 |
| oiaohm | Most users will never see that. | Jul 23 06:38 |
| DrPizza | Well, yet another reason to never use it. | Jul 23 06:38 |
| oiaohm | As I said chromeos devices are designed to the max. | Jul 23 06:38 |
| oiaohm | for a laptop there is no reason not to shut it down. | Jul 23 06:38 |
| oiaohm | thinkignt aht chrome os starts in 8 seconds. | Jul 23 06:38 |
| DrPizza | Really? | Jul 23 06:38 |
| DrPizza | I never shut mine down. | Jul 23 06:38 |
| DrPizza | I'd miss out on IM and e-mail notifications, Skype calls, etc. | Jul 23 06:38 |
| abeNd-org | most users would be perfectly fine with osx-lion in kiosk mode, really, pretty much most *users* just browse the internet & use webmail | Jul 23 06:39 |
| oiaohm | How long does yours take to start. | Jul 23 06:39 |
| oiaohm | And not like you can avoid sleeping. | Jul 23 06:39 |
| msb | That's a great quote -- "DrPizza" blames Microsoft Windows vulnerability to millions of viruses on "user stupidity". | Jul 23 06:39 |
| cubezzz | the embedded controller is undocumented | Jul 23 06:39 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: irrelevant, unless the Chromebooks can log in and start programs unattended. | Jul 23 06:39 |
| cubezzz | you can't get the documentation for it | Jul 23 06:39 |
| DrPizza | (whihc I wouldn't want) | Jul 23 06:39 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: Hello | Jul 23 06:39 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: how many programs do you think chrome os run locally. | Jul 23 06:39 |
| DrPizza | It would still have to log in and fire up the various extensions and Web pages that you use | Jul 23 06:40 |
| DrPizza | it amounts to the same thing. | Jul 23 06:40 |
| oiaohm | chromeos no extentions are allowed. | Jul 23 06:40 |
| abeNd-org | user stupidity causes most of the virus activity i see in the corporate/school/small business clients i have | Jul 23 06:40 |
| oiaohm | Everthing in chrome os is html 5 stuff. | Jul 23 06:40 |
| oiaohm | So most things you would run unattended would be running from a server box somewhere. | Jul 23 06:41 |
| oiaohm | Not the chrome os device. | Jul 23 06:41 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: ???? Google calls them extensions | Jul 23 06:41 |
| cubezzz | hold on, I've _never_ seen OpenBSD get infected no matter who the user was | Jul 23 06:41 |
| DrPizza | That's how the recent security flaws were devised. | Jul 23 06:41 |
| DrPizza | Through trusted extensions. | Jul 23 06:41 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: that allowed storage access. | Jul 23 06:41 |
| abeNd-org | most openbsd users are security crazy to begin with | Jul 23 06:41 |
| DrPizza | That allowed access to sensitive data. | Jul 23 06:41 |
| oiaohm | Not a long term infection or back ground running. | Jul 23 06:41 |
| cubezzz | just run Sparc or non-x86 | Jul 23 06:42 |
| oiaohm | Its was very much like cross site scripting attack DrPizza | Jul 23 06:42 |
| abeNd-org | pine, lynx, vi are probably not going to be large targets for attacks | Jul 23 06:42 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: Who cares? It compromised data. | Jul 23 06:42 |
| cubezzz | put your data on removable media | Jul 23 06:43 |
| cubezzz | it's a good idea anyway | Jul 23 06:43 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: the point is the compromise was temp. | Jul 23 06:43 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: The point is that for all the horrible restrictions ChromeOS has, it still doesn't keep your data secure. | Jul 23 06:43 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: All new systems have a few flaws. | Jul 23 06:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !Trisquel doesn't support Flash at all (my desktop OS). I'm running !Ubuntu on my netbook for when i'm forced to use flash @mcnalu | Jul 23 06:43 | |
| cubezzz | tell me what is better than OpenBSD for security? | Jul 23 06:43 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: newere chromeos versions are gaining better acl over data. | Jul 23 06:44 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: that will render attacks done non operational. | Jul 23 06:44 |
| oiaohm | It will not be just make a version that can sneak past scanners and do the same thing again like most windows viruses are. | Jul 23 06:45 |
| DrPizza | cubezzz: Qubes OS probably offers the best compromise between general-purpose usability on the desktop and systematic security. | Jul 23 06:45 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: we'll see. | Jul 23 06:45 |
| cubezzz | DrPizza, open source? | Jul 23 06:45 |
| DrPizza | yup | Jul 23 06:45 |
| DrPizza | I think so | Jul 23 06:45 |
| oiaohm | Qubes has a few major issues. | Jul 23 06:45 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: IMO it's the most promising concept for a reasonably general-purpose operating system that anyone's devised so far | Jul 23 06:46 |
| cubezzz | I like Plan 9 a lot, but it's just for experimenting for me | Jul 23 06:46 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: really they need to work more with wayland | Jul 23 06:46 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: the current problem is there dependance on highly secuirty flawed X11 | Jul 23 06:47 |
| DrPizza | yes, I'm not really sure what the best option is there. | Jul 23 06:47 |
| cubezzz | well i suppose you could just not run X | Jul 23 06:47 |
| cubezzz | text only server | Jul 23 06:47 |
| oiaohm | Also Xen it self has a issue | Jul 23 06:48 |
| DrPizza | Especially if you ultimately want to be able to do e.g. high performance 3D | Jul 23 06:48 |
| oiaohm | kvm can compress memory between images. | Jul 23 06:48 |
| oiaohm | applcitions. | Jul 23 06:48 |
| oiaohm | Xen is not good at that. | Jul 23 06:48 |
| oiaohm | Idea good | Jul 23 06:48 |
| DrPizza | That's just optimization, though, it doesn't alter correctness. | Jul 23 06:48 |
| oiaohm | two chosen parts really not good enough. | Jul 23 06:48 |
| DrPizza | Is kvm actually any good at that with 64-bit platforms? | Jul 23 06:49 |
| DrPizza | I know use of 64-bit and large pages tends to ruin VMware's page sharing | Jul 23 06:49 |
| oiaohm | ksm linux page sharing that kvm can use since it runs inside a linux kernel. Works perfectly with 64 bit platforms. | Jul 23 06:49 |
| DrPizza | The issue VMware has is simply that there aren't generally that many shareable pages | Jul 23 06:50 |
| DrPizza | I'm not sure how kvm would get around that. | Jul 23 06:50 |
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| oiaohm | Its not kvm that gets around it. | Jul 23 06:51 |
| oiaohm | ksm in the Linux kernel can see large pages as a stack of small pages. | Jul 23 06:51 |
| oiaohm | So be able to merge them when vmware is unable to. | Jul 23 06:51 |
| DrPizza | Is there documentation of that anywhere? | Jul 23 06:51 |
| oiaohm | In the source code of the Linux kernel. | Jul 23 06:52 |
| oiaohm | ksm dealing with large page allocations. | Jul 23 06:52 |
| oiaohm | ksm is a normalish Linux kernel memory mangement thing. | Jul 23 06:52 |
| DrPizza | When did ksm gain the ability to merge large pages? | Jul 23 06:53 |
| oiaohm | When it was found enabling huge pages in the Linux kernel would lead to ksm not merging anything. | Jul 23 06:54 |
| oiaohm | That was a few versions ago. | Jul 23 06:54 |
| oiaohm | That bug also effected compcache | Jul 23 06:54 |
| DrPizza | So the guest OS page tables can use a different structure from the host? | Jul 23 06:55 |
| DrPizza | (large in guest, small in host) | Jul 23 06:56 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Jul 23 06:56 |
| DrPizza | And what does that do to performance? | Jul 23 06:56 |
| oiaohm | Normally not much. | Jul 23 06:56 |
| abeNd-org | the issue vmware has now with vsphere5 is they just priced themselves out of the market | Jul 23 06:56 |
| DrPizza | There's a reason people switched to large pages | Jul 23 06:56 |
| abeNd-org | microsoft just won with hyperv, vmware just handed them the market.... | Jul 23 06:57 |
| DrPizza | abeNd-org: it's incredible, frankly. | Jul 23 06:57 |
| DrPizza | hyper-v and xenserver stand to make big gains. | Jul 23 06:57 |
| abeNd-org | and dont give me any of this "XEN" stuff, no one actually uses it :P | Jul 23 06:57 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: reason memory maps are mostly virtual anyhow. | Jul 23 06:57 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: that you enable huge pages | Jul 23 06:57 |
| DrPizza | ugh the sun is up | Jul 23 06:58 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: does not mean that huge page is truely a unbroken page on the ram sticks. | Jul 23 06:58 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: huge pages reduce the number of instructions the OS has to send to the memory controller. | Jul 23 06:58 |
| oiaohm | ie memory controllers can do a whole stack of voodoo | Jul 23 06:59 |
| DrPizza | The main thing it does is reduce the memory usage of the page tables, by requiring one 512th the number of PTEs. | Jul 23 06:59 |
| DrPizza | (typically) | Jul 23 06:59 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly. | Jul 23 07:00 |
| oiaohm | Evil part here. | Jul 23 07:00 |
| oiaohm | You can have a huge page table that is mapped over a small page size tables. | Jul 23 07:00 |
| oiaohm | memory controller basically does that lifting. | Jul 23 07:00 |
| DrPizza | In general, or when you are virtualized? | Jul 23 07:01 |
| oiaohm | Can be both. | Jul 23 07:01 |
| oiaohm | OS can choose if it wants them layered or not. | Jul 23 07:01 |
| DrPizza | Why would you even do that? It means making your page tables huge again. | Jul 23 07:01 |
| oiaohm | Also you can have a mix of huge in particular areas with small pages stacked inside particular huge pages. | Jul 23 07:03 |
| oiaohm | When you need to compress and you cannot due to the pages being huge sometimes you need todo evil things DrPizza | Jul 23 07:04 |
| DrPizza | then don't overcommit :p | Jul 23 07:04 |
| oiaohm | When you have small pages you are in huge page mode. | Jul 23 07:04 |
| oiaohm | You really don't need to be allocating them a full huge page either. | Jul 23 07:04 |
| oiaohm | So for memory usage being able to controllably use both side by side is useful | Jul 23 07:05 |
| oiaohm | Basically memory controller has a few more tricks up it selve that people guess | Jul 23 07:06 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: also there is a nasty old bug in Linux. | Jul 23 07:09 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: swap disk devices still have no clue what a huge page is. | Jul 23 07:09 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: so when they go to swap they have to be converted back to normalish size pages. | Jul 23 07:10 |
| DrPizza | so you do a bunch of 4 kb I/Os each time you page to disk? | Jul 23 07:10 |
| oiaohm | No that have to be recored as a stack of 4kb blocks. | Jul 23 07:10 |
| oiaohm | In a drive IO operation. | Jul 23 07:11 |
| oiaohm | Ie how they are recorded as used space on the swapdrive. | Jul 23 07:11 |
| DrPizza | oic | Jul 23 07:11 |
| oiaohm | I don't know if Microsoft swap system is huge page aware | Jul 23 07:12 |
| oiaohm | I suspect not. | Jul 23 07:12 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: think about it. Smaller tables and unable to compress stuff. Or large tables and being able to compress large ammounts. | Jul 23 07:15 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: 4 kb block holds a lot of table enteries. | Jul 23 07:16 |
| DrPizza | Sure, I understand the trade-off... | Jul 23 07:18 |
| oiaohm | Also remember Linux has KSM because they have patent approval from vmware | Jul 23 07:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Star Trek Girl? "You and I'll grab our phasers and have a blast" "We'll go to Vulcan and we'll Mind meld tonight" "be your Number one"? WTF! | Jul 23 07:18 | |
| oiaohm | Microsoft does not have anything like KSM because they would have to pay vmware for it. | Jul 23 07:19 |
| DrPizza | Why VMware? | Jul 23 07:19 |
| oiaohm | Because VMware developed the tech to allow page table to be overlap transpartly. | Jul 23 07:20 |
| oiaohm | Right down to the silcon inside the memory controller. | Jul 23 07:20 |
| DrPizza | Then how can Linux do it? | Jul 23 07:21 |
| DrPizza | Did VMware contribute the code? | Jul 23 07:21 |
| oiaohm | A non VMware coder created the code. Then it was a case of getting patent usage approval. | Jul 23 07:22 |
| oiaohm | What the Linux kernel did get. | Jul 23 07:22 |
| oiaohm | Since vmware does use the Linux kernel in some of there products. | Jul 23 07:22 |
| oiaohm | Ok have to go for a bit something is smelling hot only recently fited some new parts to this case. | Jul 23 07:24 |
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| DaemonFC | http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/europe/07/23/norway.explosion/ | Jul 23 07:33 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I know how that goes, @mcnalu I confess an attachment to Photoshop because of what i can do with it (ancient version kind of runs in Wine) | Jul 23 07:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Copyright Protection Still a Possibility for the #Fashion Industry - http://bit.ly/nT2yqX how to make a v successful industry dysfunctional | Jul 23 07:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] "most of human history and art can be expressed in 'Star Trek' plots." - @stephenfry !q http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hn6WEl1q5xk | Jul 23 07:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] last link v @jamie_love | Jul 23 07:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Ouch! back pain... :-( | Jul 23 07:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Android Jobs to Surpass #iPhone Jobs by Year-End, Report Finds - http://rww.to/pibAas another interesting indicator | Jul 23 07:50 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.freep.com/article/20110723/NEWS07/107230410/Obama-enacts-end-Don-t-Ask-Don-t-Tell | Jul 23 07:52 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Who Kills 80 Teenagers, One By One? - http://bit.ly/p39iyi chilling but horribly plausible analysis #oslo | Jul 23 07:53 | |
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| MinceR | that's one of the reasons it's important to allow citizens to keep and bear arms | Jul 23 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: correct me if I'm wrong, but I would assume Norway has typical European "gun control" | Jul 23 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | which is why things like this can't happen | Jul 23 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | the criminals always get them no matter what the law is | Jul 23 07:59 |
| MinceR | that's what "gun control" proponents say, yes | Jul 23 07:59 |
| MinceR | according to them, this just didn't happen | Jul 23 07:59 |
| MinceR | because criminals obey the law, too | Jul 23 08:00 |
| DaemonFC | right, for the law to work, criminals would have to obey the law | Jul 23 08:00 |
| DaemonFC | which means they wouldn't be criminals | Jul 23 08:00 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 23 08:00 |
| DaemonFC | the flow of fully automatic assault rifles (which are illegal in the US for civilians) is predominately FROM the Mexican side of the border and TO the US side | Jul 23 08:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] More Americans Are On Facebook Than Have A Passport - http://tcrn.ch/nhyPJ9 only 37% have passport? explains a lot... | Jul 23 08:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Is There A Difference Between Inspiration And Copying? - http://bit.ly/r30F5Y this is where #copyright madness takes us | Jul 23 08:02 | |
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| DaemonFC | there's a small amount of arms smuggling going the other way, but it tends to be handguns and shotguns | Jul 23 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | the government in Mexico is both corrupt and ineffective, even at enforcing their own laws | Jul 23 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | so I doubt it matters what the laws are in the US, you'll get plenty of arms smuggling from Mexico | Jul 23 08:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Oracle scrubs site of embarrassing Java blog - http://cnet.co/nGD8He classy #google #android | Jul 23 08:03 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: I keep trying to tell schestowitz that if I was a criminal I wouldn't obey the stack of gun ownership laws that I do | Jul 23 08:04 |
| DaemonFC | there's easy ways to get unregistered handguns | Jul 23 08:04 |
| DaemonFC | and illegally carry and conceal them without a permit | Jul 23 08:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rrix/@rrix] RT @glynmoody More Americans Are On Facebook Than Have A Passport - http://tcrn.ch/nhyPJ9 only 37% have passport? explains a lot... | Jul 23 08:05 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: there's even a quirk in the federal firearms law that lets you make guns yourself and sell them to people without any government regulation at all | Jul 23 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | you just sell them a mostly-finished but nonfunctional firearm | Jul 23 08:06 |
| DaemonFC | and give them plans on how to finish it themselves | Jul 23 08:06 |
| DaemonFC | there's a guy in Montana that does this | Jul 23 08:06 |
| MinceR | :) | Jul 23 08:06 |
| DaemonFC | it's not illegal but he had the ATF and FBI surround his house at one point over it | Jul 23 08:06 |
| DaemonFC | in the end they went away and he still does it | Jul 23 08:06 |
| DaemonFC | the federal firearms dealership laws only come into play if you sell someone a working firearm | Jul 23 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | and in a lot of states, you can go to gun shows and buy unlimited firearms in cash without even showing them ID | Jul 23 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | so there's plenty of dealers that get together and call themselves a gun show instead of a firearms dealer | Jul 23 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | the laws are so weak and are such a patchwork that compliance with them is effectively optional | Jul 23 08:09 |
| DaemonFC | about the only thing that's always illegal are fully automatic firearms, silencers, and flash suppressors | Jul 23 08:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !linuxlibre 3.0.0-libre-lemote now available for !gnewsense/mipsel !yeeloong; Freed-ora 3.0.0-*.fc16 builds also in place | Jul 23 08:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Copyright and Me - http://bit.ly/n1aKC4 great but sad personal tale of how #copyright hurts aspiring creators (v http://bit.ly/ofaU8n) | Jul 23 08:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @bkuhn: this rhetoric ("frees the giver from responsibility of ownership") is so pathetic it's hard to believe Shuttleworth is using it. | Jul 23 08:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] 2243 Patches for #linux #kernel 3.1 have been merged already (among them is the realtek wlan driver rtl8192de) | Jul 23 08:38 | |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: Yep lucky I stopped before. Flat ribbon cable was sitting on a heat sink. | Jul 23 08:40 |
| DrPizza | heh | Jul 23 08:40 |
| DrPizza | so turns out that KSM is almost certainly not patented, and that the patent is almost certainly not valid anyway | Jul 23 08:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @lxoliva :D | Jul 23 08:42 | |
| DrPizza | and now, I sleep | Jul 23 08:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @jargon: one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter. mandela was branded terrorist by the apartheid regime. | Jul 23 08:43 | |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: Sorry the patent exists. If it is valid that is another problem. | Jul 23 08:44 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: yes the patent exists, but the broad result can be achieved in other ways | Jul 23 08:45 |
| DrPizza | For example if you don't hash pages to compare them, you can avoid almost all the claims the patent makes | Jul 23 08:45 |
| DrPizza | There are a handful of other claims that must be worked around | Jul 23 08:45 |
| DrPizza | but simply not hashing avoids most of it. | Jul 23 08:45 |
| oiaohm | http://www.google.com/patents?vid=USPAT6789156 | Jul 23 08:45 |
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| DrPizza | Plus, someone proposed a patch, including the hashing, in 1998. | Jul 23 08:45 |
| oiaohm | Other than the fact that that someone went to work at vmware | Jul 23 08:46 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: notice how if youdon't use hashes in a hash table you avoid most of the claims right off the bat | Jul 23 08:46 |
| oiaohm | So the 1998 bit that looks like pior art is not. | Jul 23 08:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] I'm starting to think that the Left might actually be right - http://tgr.ph/nm4DVW surprising analysis (v @offmessage @mikebutcher) | Jul 23 08:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @lxoliva is GNASH that the flash replacement thingie? | Jul 23 08:47 | |
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| oiaohm | DrPizza: hashtable is quite a major performance gain. | Jul 23 08:47 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: Linux kernel does not have to bother about trying to fight it. | Jul 23 08:48 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: yes,but ksm uses red-black trees instead | Jul 23 08:48 |
| DrPizza | instead o fthe hashtable | Jul 23 08:48 |
| oiaohm | Because the trees are faster. | Jul 23 08:49 |
| oiaohm | There are sections of that patent that are a real prick. | Jul 23 08:49 |
| oiaohm | Since they are linked directly to the way intel did vt mode. | Jul 23 08:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @lxoliva My point is i don't want to *have* to use flash. Annoys me corporations deliberately impede usability & interoperability. | Jul 23 08:50 | |
| DrPizza | in any case, the 1998 patch is prior art | Jul 23 08:51 |
| DaemonFC | http://images.4chan.org/jp/src/1311405125531.jpg | Jul 23 08:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/jpeg type | Jul 23 08:51 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: from memory that patch you are refering to is this. http://www.google.com/patents/about?id=lWogAAAAEBA Ie did not cover merging of pages. | Jul 23 08:52 |
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| oiaohm | Yes too many patents. | Jul 23 08:53 |
| DrPizza | 6789156 doesn't cover merging pages | Jul 23 08:54 |
| oiaohm | The 1998 patch I saw was not using the MMU to protect pages from writing. | Jul 23 08:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @lxoliva Okay, thanks, I didn't realize that. Good to know but I still prefer to not take on any new non-free sw. | Jul 23 08:55 | |
| oiaohm | But when attempting to write a new page be allocated. | Jul 23 08:55 |
| DrPizza | http://groups.google.com/group/muc.lists.linux-kernel/browse_thread/thread/387af278089c7066?ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 | Jul 23 08:55 |
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| DrPizza | pte = pte_wrprotect(*pte1); | Jul 23 08:55 |
| DrPizza | so they're protected | Jul 23 08:56 |
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| DrPizza | doesn't look like it's enabling COW though | Jul 23 08:56 |
| DrPizza | though I don't know how the VM works | Jul 23 08:57 |
| DrPizza | maybe that happens anyway | Jul 23 08:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @arnebab: a writer, the copyfight and internet freedom: “how copyright law has hurt me” ur1.ca/4r77m by @laurelrusswurm | Jul 23 08:57 | |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: ifyou look at the rest of the thread, they suggest it does actually COW | Jul 23 08:58 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: Its not enabling the deceptive cow. | Jul 23 08:58 |
| oiaohm | Ie if application asks the the page is read only with 1998 one it will be told its read only. | Jul 23 08:58 |
| oiaohm | With the vmware one if you ask if the page is read only you will be told no its read write if that was it state before. | Jul 23 08:59 |
| DrPizza | oiaohm: http://groups.google.com/group/muc.lists.linux-kernel/msg/a2a7fcbba0aa52a4 | Jul 23 08:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: mergemem: announce & design issues - muc.lists.linux-kernel | Google Groups .::. Size~: 52.04 KB | Jul 23 08:59 |
| oiaohm | Yes its a minor difference. | Jul 23 08:59 |
| oiaohm | And its enough of a minor difference that is not prior art. | Jul 23 08:59 |
| DrPizza | ??? | Jul 23 08:59 |
| DrPizza | the thread says it's writable | Jul 23 08:59 |
| oiaohm | Yes it writable. Using Linux normal cow over read only file. | Jul 23 09:00 |
| oiaohm | Not that if the application asks if the page is read only being lied to. | Jul 23 09:00 |
| DrPizza | which the VMware patent does | Jul 23 09:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] GNU Parallel 20110722 ('Murdoch') released http://ur1.ca/4rmmo wait, did they say #murdoch | Jul 23 09:00 | |
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| oiaohm | VMware patent also does the lieing. | Jul 23 09:00 |
| oiaohm | The lieing is the tricky bit. | Jul 23 09:01 |
| DrPizza | which claim is the lying? | Jul 23 09:01 |
| DrPizza | the patent describes COW | Jul 23 09:02 |
| oiaohm | Not quite cow. | Jul 23 09:07 |
| oiaohm | 41. is any context of write. | Jul 23 09:08 |
| oiaohm | This includes evily looking if a block of memory is writable. DrPizza | Jul 23 09:08 |
| DrPizza | no, that's just COW | Jul 23 09:09 |
| oiaohm | Cow is attempting to write. | Jul 23 09:09 |
| DrPizza | and this is a request by any context to write | Jul 23 09:10 |
| DrPizza | in other words, it's a request from any process which has a shared page to write to the memoery | Jul 23 09:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Linux by the numbers http://ur1.ca/4rmqp "which would have been 2.6.40 for the kernel today" | Jul 23 09:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @schestowitz: GNU Parallel 20110722 ('Murdoch') released http://ur1.ca/4rmmo wait, did they say murdoch | Jul 23 09:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] McDonald's http://i.imgur.com/m6AvG.png | Jul 23 09:10 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/png type | Jul 23 09:10 |
| oiaohm | DrPizza: also evily by intel cpu books requesting if a block is writable is requesting a context to write | Jul 23 09:11 |
| oiaohm | Yes its evil little wording. | Jul 23 09:11 |
| DrPizza | what do you mean? | Jul 23 09:11 |
| DrPizza | you make no sense | Jul 23 09:11 |
| DrPizza | this is saying that for the N different VM contexts, any one of them could attempt to write and generate a copy | Jul 23 09:11 |
| oiaohm | The intel cpu books when you request if a memory block is writeable. | Jul 23 09:11 |
| DrPizza | that's COW | Jul 23 09:12 |
| oiaohm | You get your answer by getting a context to write. | Jul 23 09:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Not Your Average Linux Distribution: DOD's Flavor http://ur1.ca/4rmra #government #dod #gnu #linux | Jul 23 09:12 | |
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| DrPizza | ??? | Jul 23 09:12 |
| DrPizza | What do you mean? | Jul 23 09:12 |
| oiaohm | Its the way the memory management unit is designed. | Jul 23 09:13 |
| oiaohm | If was arm. | Jul 23 09:13 |
| DrPizza | all this is saying that any one of the contexts (defined in claim 37) can attempt to write to the shared page | Jul 23 09:13 |
| oiaohm | You request the flags on the memory and don't get a context back. | Jul 23 09:13 |
| DrPizza | and will cause copying toa private page | Jul 23 09:13 |
| DrPizza | no,a context isn't a thing on the memory | Jul 23 09:13 |
| DrPizza | it's a virtual address space | Jul 23 09:13 |
| DrPizza | read claim 37 | Jul 23 09:13 |
| DrPizza | oic, linux does COW when the PTE denies writes but the mapping allows them, that's how it's doing COW. | Jul 23 09:18 |
| DrPizza | anyway | Jul 23 09:20 |
| DrPizza | sleep time | Jul 23 09:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] finds it a tad #disturbing that #shuttleworth speaks of code from the angle of "ownership" like it's physical "property" http://ur1.ca/4rmy7 | Jul 23 09:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] This is how my E-Mail reader often looks during the #linux #kernel merge window http://bit.ly/nhgn9c | Jul 23 09:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] RT @schestowitz KDE Plasma Desktop Introduction http://ur1.ca/4rhv4 What I love most about !kde 4. Also v @aseigo : http://ur1.ca/4rhvx ... | Jul 23 09:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Write it, share it, ensure it brings maximal benefit (and impact). That's how teachers do it. | Jul 23 09:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Like the monetary system -- which is largely based on loans/prospective labour -- ownership largely misunderstood. Lasts only a lifetime. | Jul 23 09:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Thoughts about Right and Left http://tinyurl.com/3b9455k #politics #uk #romania #pnl #psd #pdl | Jul 23 09:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @lxoliva at the moment i'm okay with !ubuntu netbook. Too much happening to be messing around with tech right now. | Jul 23 09:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good morning @sandersch | Jul 23 09:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Not Your Average #Linux Distribution: #DOD's Flavor http://www.informationweek.com/news/government/security/231002431 #gnu #security | Jul 23 09:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] HTML5 to Create New Wave of Opportunities in Mobile Landscape http://tinyurl.com/3ungtkx #html #web #html5 #mobile | Jul 23 09:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Microsoft Windows fizzles as PC fears loom http://tinyurl.com/4474ess #microsoft #windows #software #office #pc #romania | Jul 23 09:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] IBM Steps Up Its OpenOffice Commitment with Symphony Donation http://tinyurl.com/3w6ouk6 #ibm #lotus #ooo #lo #symphony #apache #libreoffice | Jul 23 09:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] #Google execs discussed #Java #license before #Oracle filed suit http://www.mercurynews.com/ci_18525231 | Jul 23 10:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Don't Panic! It's only Linux 3.0 http://tinyurl.com/3euop4l #gnu #linux #software #microsoft #kernel | Jul 23 10:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] 5 More !Dropbox Alternatives for !Linux suggested at Tech Drive-in http://ping.fm/Gi6Pg | Jul 23 10:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] #archcon2011 !poland 2011 underway, we have wifi, we have SSH tunnel, we have statistics. we're up! | Jul 23 10:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Virgin unveils 'world's fastest' cable broadband - Telegraph.co.uk http://ping.fm/sL1lc | Jul 23 10:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Video #Surveillance and Its Impact on the Right to #Privacy - http://bit.ly/neiKv9 interesting comparison of different countries' laws | Jul 23 10:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @MeeGoExperts: MeeGo IVI on ExoPC http://mge.bz/gO #MeeGo #IVI #Developer #Linux #Intel #Tablet #OpenSource | Jul 23 10:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @bobduffy: Just posted - AIR for AppUp packaging & submission migrating from Adobe InMarket to Intel's AppUp de... http://intel.ly/q9n32Y | Jul 23 10:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] TT @vgrade: RT @Reffyyyy: Aerofy released - http://t.co/PgghV7s I'll get an updated video up when I can find a semi-decent camera (HTC W ... | Jul 23 10:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @qole An open letter to the decision-makers in the Nokia Harmattan project: Please Remove Harmattan Platform Secu... http://t.co/SF4Uigj | Jul 23 10:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: Word Search Mobile - word puzzle game for the N900: http://My-Maemo.com/?p=7384 #N900 #Maemo | Jul 23 10:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: Eagle - Whispers of the Moon: WiFi walkie-talkie game for the N900: http://My-Maemo.com/?p=7385 #N900 #Maemo | Jul 23 10:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: Islamic Date Converter for Nokia N900: http://My-Maemo.com/?p=7386 #N900 #Maemo | Jul 23 10:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: Facemap for Nokia N900 - find new friends on the map: http://My-Maemo.com/?p=7387 #N900 #Maemo | Jul 23 10:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: Darhon Finance - personal finance program for the N900: http://My-Maemo.com/?p=7388 #N900 #Maemo | Jul 23 10:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] 8 Free Apps To Make Free Calls On !Android • by Glenn Santos http://ping.fm/BL9nE | Jul 23 10:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @mjjzf ♺ @chromatic: My patch is not a gift to a copyright holder. It's a gift to EVERYONE: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/687 | Jul 23 10:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: Flare Elite - action packed space shoot'em up for Nokia N900: http://My-Maemo.com/?p=7389 #N900 #Maemo | Jul 23 10:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: FlowPlayer - small music player with cover flow for the Nokia N900: http://My-Maemo.com/?p=7391 #N900 #Maemo | Jul 23 10:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @My_Maemo: QtLockscreen - highly configurable N900 lockscreen replacement: http://My-Maemo.com/?p=7392 #N900 #Maemo | Jul 23 10:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @JayMontano: Video: YouTube in Browser on MeeGo-Harmattan Nokia N950 http://t.co/EF6Ybwp #N950 #MeeGo | Jul 23 10:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !winehq | Wine 1.3.25 Presents Rewritten Audio Support via Lxer http://ping.fm/FbYZP | Jul 23 10:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "I have no words" ... http://falkvinge.net/2011/07/23/who-kills-80-teenagers-one-by-one/ | Jul 23 10:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Internet Visionary Paul Otlet: Networked Knowledge, Decades Before Google - SPIEGEL By Meike Laaff http://ping.fm/vfXlU | Jul 23 10:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] "If the House of Lords is full of the great and the good then most of us got in under the wire" (there are some outstanding people there) | Jul 23 10:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] » @glynmoody: Video #Surveillance and Its Impact on the Right to #Privacy - http://ur1.ca/4rnp9 comparison of different countries' laws | Jul 23 10:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] slate: Does the infamous "Happy Birthday to You" copyright hold up to scrutiny? http://ping.fm/OU1by | Jul 23 10:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Now playing : mm/msync.c" http://www.linux.fm/ | Jul 23 10:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Improving KDE's Plasma Performance http://ur1.ca/4rnqz !kde #plasma performs better since ~4.4 | Jul 23 10:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Evolution of Asterisk (or: How We Arrived at Asterisk 10) http://ur1.ca/4rnrl #asterisk #foss #telephony | Jul 23 10:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Google Toolbar drops support for Firefox. Why now? http://ur1.ca/4rntd Is IE next? And should one trust Chrome? | Jul 23 10:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Virtualboxes.org Helps You Discover Your New Favorite !Linux Flavor with Tons of Virtualbox Images http://ping.fm/wcaev | Jul 23 11:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Sounds a bit similar to Thoughtpolice, but that site uses Vmware images instead | Jul 23 11:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] One of the perverse results of "democracy" is that our representatives have become practised in misdirection. | Jul 23 11:05 | |
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| schestowitz | Links xx/7/2011: Links for the day | Jul 23 11:10 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5.7 is Out | Jul 23 11:10 |
| schestowitz | <div style="background: url(/images/boycott-novell-links.jpg)"> | Jul 23 11:10 |
| schestowitz | <p><img src="/wp-content/uploads/2008/03/120px-Gartoon-Bluefish-icon.png" border="0" align="right" hspace="20" vspace="4" alt="GNOME bluefish" /> | Jul 23 11:10 |
| schestowitz | <h3>Contents</h3> | Jul 23 11:11 |
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| schestowitz | Tales of fox http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdJ_Xn163iU&feature=digest | Jul 23 11:12 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] On Norway, a possible yet frightening reason for the massacre http://is.gd/4AWzJr via @glynmoody | Jul 23 11:20 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Who Kills 80 Teenagers, One By One? - Falkvinge on Infopolicy .::. Size~: 74.41 KB | Jul 23 11:20 |
| DaemonFC | a Norwegian who doesn't follow gun control laws | Jul 23 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | and a bunch of citizens who have been disarmed by their government | Jul 23 11:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] automated foobar mitzvah ♻ @schestowitz: "Now playing : mm/msync.c" http://www.linux.fm/ | Jul 23 11:23 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I was watching a thing on TV where this guy opened fire on a restaurant in Texas and a woman who happened to have a revolver fired back and killed him | Jul 23 11:24 |
| DaemonFC | probably saving many lives | Jul 23 11:24 |
| DaemonFC | possibly her own among them | Jul 23 11:24 |
| DaemonFC | I do think more people should have guns, it might put a second thought into these maniacs who figure they'll just gun down a bunch of helpless unarmed people like lambs for the slaughter | Jul 23 11:25 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Speaking of which, the constitution of my state implies that citizens have limited law enforcement powers, the Supreme Court has upheld this | Jul 23 11:26 |
| DaemonFC | it was clarified by statute that a citizen may detain and arrest someone after witnessing or to prevent commission of a felony or violent misdemeanor | Jul 23 11:26 |
| DaemonFC | you have to watch out with that though, the way lawsuits go, you don't have a shield from frivolous lawsuits like police officers would | Jul 23 11:27 |
| DaemonFC | I have made a citizen's arrest before | Jul 23 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | and held the person until the police got there | Jul 23 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | a drunk driver that wrecked into my car and then attempted to flee | Jul 23 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | I ended up testifying against him in court | Jul 23 11:29 |
| DaemonFC | he got a year in prison and permanent revocation of his drivers license | Jul 23 11:29 |
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| DaemonFC | Indiana has a graduated response for OWI, even if you didn't hurt anyone and even if you didn't destroy property, by the third time it is mandatory prison sentence | Jul 23 11:32 |
| DaemonFC | I think even that is too lenient | Jul 23 11:32 |
| DaemonFC | I think if they catch you driving sufficiently over legal intoxication once, it should be mandatory prison sentence | Jul 23 11:32 |
| DaemonFC | like, not "I had a beer an hour ago and blew a .01" | Jul 23 11:33 |
| DaemonFC | but if you're at a 0.2 you should go to prison | Jul 23 11:33 |
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| DaemonFC | the law is lenient on you if you're only endangering the lives and property of other people | Jul 23 11:35 |
| DaemonFC | but if you annoy rich people, you go to federal pound me in the ass prison | Jul 23 11:35 |
| schestowitz | [11:22] <DaemonFC> and a bunch of citizens who have been disarmed by their government | Jul 23 11:37 |
| schestowitz | Like them having guns would have helped much | Jul 23 11:37 |
| DaemonFC | sure, shoot the son of a bitch | Jul 23 11:38 |
| DaemonFC | he stops killing people | Jul 23 11:38 |
| DaemonFC | what's the part that doesn't compute? :) | Jul 23 11:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Links 23/7/2011: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5.7 is Out; Linux Distribution From DoD http://ur1.ca/4ro5v #techrights | Jul 23 11:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] USe at your own risk RT @vgrade: ExoPC IVI for Meego . http://t.co/CyqACsT #MeeGo #IVI | Jul 23 11:38 | |
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| schestowitz | 80 teenagers | Jul 23 11:40 |
| DaemonFC | standing there helpless isn't going to do anything | Jul 23 11:40 |
| DaemonFC | instead you get people that had to play dead and hope he went away after killing only most of them | Jul 23 11:41 |
| schestowitz | I missed that one | Jul 23 11:41 |
| schestowitz | !google 80 teenagers | Jul 23 11:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Who Kills 80 Teenagers, One By One? - Falkvinge on Infopolicy | http://falkvinge.net/2011/07/23/who-kills-80-teenagers-one-by-one/ | Jul 23 11:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - BREAKING NEWS: The terror in norway. 80(!!!) teenagers confirmed ... | http://forum.bodybuilding.com/showthread.php%3Ft%3D136627251 | Jul 23 11:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - BOUNCE 80's Teenagers Movie Night | Facebook | http://www.facebook.com/event.php%3Feid%3D124906867593051%26ref%3Dnf | Jul 23 11:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Terror in Norway - The Times | http://www.thetimes.co.uk/tto/news/world/europe/article3103286.ece | Jul 23 11:42 |
| schestowitz | [2] got censored? | Jul 23 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | your government is one of those ones that spreads propaganda that if you want to defend yourself instead of waiting a half hour for the police to get there after you're already dead you're some kind of a maniac | Jul 23 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | I don't buy that and I never will | Jul 23 11:43 |
| schestowitz | attention taken away from Murdoch's crimes now | Jul 23 11:43 |
| DaemonFC | governments only disarm citizens to remove a threat to the government | Jul 23 11:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] "80 percent of software engineers say the patent system actually hinders innovation." - http://is.gd/z5PAPy #nuffsaid #swpat | Jul 23 11:43 | |
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| schestowitz | http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Main_Page doesnt' have it yet | Jul 23 11:45 |
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| schestowitz | I don't need Murdoch press coverage | Jul 23 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | Murdoch is God | Jul 23 11:46 |
| schestowitz | http://en.wikinews.org/wiki/Three_arrested_in_al-Qaeda_bomb_plot | Jul 23 11:46 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QH4cYyTv434 | Jul 23 11:47 |
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| schestowitz | "Norwegian and United States officials say that this bombing plot is linked to last year's failed New York subway bombing scheme and another failed plot to bomb Manchester, England. These failed schemes also involved peroxide bombs." | Jul 23 11:47 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/10145737 | Jul 23 11:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC News - Norway 'al-Qaeda' bomb plot: Three arrested in Oslo .::. Size~: 57.39 KB | Jul 23 11:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhPaWIeULKk&ob=av3e | Jul 23 11:48 |
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| schestowitz | but this time too they learned that racial profiling re TERROR~1 is utterly stupid | Jul 23 11:51 |
| schestowitz | !google white supremacist bomb plot maine | Jul 23 11:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Maine – Report of Neo-Nazi, White Supremacist Dirty Bomb Plot ... | http://www.realcourage.org/2009/03/maineplot/ | Jul 23 11:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Maine: No Prison for Battered Wife who Killed White Supremacist ... | http://www.realcourage.org/2010/01/maine-trial-amber-cummings/ | Jul 23 11:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - White supremacist arrested in MLK bomb plot - Spokesman.com ... | http://www.spokesman.com/stories/2011/mar/10/arrest-in-bomb-plot/ | Jul 23 11:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - The scope of Rep. - The American Muslim (TAM) | http://www.theamericanmuslim.org/tam.php/features/articles/the_scope_of_rep._kings_hearings_creates_homeland_insecurity/0018455 | Jul 23 11:51 |
| DaemonFC | Muslims and Nazis | Jul 23 11:53 |
| DaemonFC | and Muslim Nazis | Jul 23 11:53 |
| DaemonFC | and Canadians | Jul 23 11:53 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Jul 23 11:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14259356 | Jul 23 11:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC News - Norway police say 84 killed in island youth camp attack .::. Size~: 76.68 KB | Jul 23 11:54 |
| schestowitz | Canadians? | Jul 23 11:54 |
| schestowitz | Wot? | Jul 23 11:54 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Jul 23 11:54 |
| schestowitz | But notice how the press first leapt at racial profiling | Jul 23 11:54 |
| schestowitz | When the bomb was set off | Jul 23 11:54 |
| DaemonFC | Muslim is a race? | Jul 23 11:55 |
| DaemonFC | interesting | Jul 23 11:55 |
| DaemonFC | I did not know that | Jul 23 11:55 |
| DaemonFC | tell me more :) | Jul 23 11:55 |
| schestowitz | The BBC adversies him | Jul 23 11:55 |
| schestowitz | Which is what he wanted | Jul 23 11:56 |
| schestowitz | It's very stupid | Jul 23 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Same when the idiot did the shooting and killed a little girl too | Jul 23 11:56 |
| schestowitz | can't recall his name | Jul 23 11:56 |
| schestowitz | BBC dedicates pages to him http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-14259989 | Jul 23 11:56 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] !China's #Alibaba to launch mobile operating system next week http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-07-china-alibaba-mobile.html | Jul 23 11:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Leaping onto racial profiling every time a bomb goes off isn't the way to go @CNN. Reeks of ignorance | Jul 23 11:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 23/7/2011: Red Hat Enterprise Linux 5.7 is Out; Linux Distribution From DoD http://ur1.ca/4ro5v !techrights | Jul 23 11:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Someone actively perpetuates a stereotype, then goes on to tell me how he thinks stereotyping is wrong. Shit head! | Jul 23 11:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The corporate media gives the Norwegian shooter exactly what he wanted. It makes him famous. How would that suppress future attacks? | Jul 23 11:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT @gbraad !China's #Alibaba to launch mobile operating system next week http://www.physorg.com/news/2011-07-china-alibaba-mobile.html | Jul 23 12:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT @bigbrovar two News reports: 1. (Christian) "Man crashes car into gas station" | Jul 23 12:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT @bigbrovar 2. (Muslim) "Black islamist al-qaeda terrorist launches attack on highly inflammable petrol storage facility". | Jul 23 12:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @jwildeboer "80 percent of software engineers say the patent system actually hinders innovation." - http://is.gd/z5PAPy #nuffsaid #swpat | Jul 23 12:07 | |
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| schestowitz | bbl | Jul 23 12:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] #GNU / #Linux vs. Mac: Why Apple will not dominate? | Nuxified.org - http://ur1.ca/4rog1 | Jul 23 12:10 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Angry Birds is too addictive :P | Jul 23 12:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @laurelrusswurm "I have no words" ... http://falkvinge.net/2011/07/23/who-kills-80-teenagers-one-by-one/ | Jul 23 12:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] interesting is to compare/contrast two diversities in the 2 continents: geo versus cultural. between the two, they are nearly inverse :) | Jul 23 12:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] RT @afiestas Display Configuration in KDE-Workspace 4.7.1: http://goo.gl/cCQNl | Jul 23 12:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] Why do you choose GNU/Linux over #Mac OSX ? #GNU !lo I choose #Linux because of freedom, #OpenSource and stability... #FLOSS | Jul 23 13:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @jwildeboer "80 percent of software engineers say the patent system actually hinders innovation." - http://is.gd/z5PAPy #nuffsaid #swpat | Jul 23 13:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Internet bad! they should start counting it in #China as connection-loss rate | Jul 23 13:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[hisdudeness/@hisdudeness] !Wikileaks: #Assange lawyer hacked by #Murdoch http://url9.de/dTj | Jul 23 13:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Jul 23 13:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #SundayMirror phone-hacking claim revealed by #Newsnight http://is.gd/pMxRT5 #NOTW will very likely be the tip of a much wider iceberg | Jul 23 13:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #AndyCoulson investigated for #perjury while working at No 10 http://is.gd/qQWgAG the cespit thickens | Jul 23 13:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] seems I'll have to do the Fedora #FAmSCo meeting using my phone connection... *sighs* | Jul 23 13:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT @dmaphy RT @jwildeboer "80 percent of software engineers say the patent system actually hinders innovation." - http://is.gd/z5PAPy #n ... | Jul 23 13:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] A 19 second call costs me KES 1. What the fuck? !kenya #expensivemobilecosts | Jul 23 13:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] #POSSE begins today in Raleigh, NC! And it's sporting a new logo, chosen by our #community | http://red.ht/qfboaR | Jul 23 13:30 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Logo creation the open source way: New POSSE logo announced | opensource.com .::. Size~: 43.97 KB | Jul 23 13:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] /me is am supposed to have a meeting with @frostbite, but this connection is terrible! | Jul 23 13:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] /me is supposed to have a meeting with @frostbite, but this connection is terrible! | Jul 23 13:35 | |
| DaemonFC | hmmm, running low on coffee | Jul 23 13:36 |
| DaemonFC | :( | Jul 23 13:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] New Fellowship Interview with Bernhard Reiter on funding Free Software development and the evolution of FSFE: http://link.fsfe.org/BaulaN | Jul 23 13:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Nothing says douche like Twitter for Mac. Feel free to be offended. | Jul 23 13:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] And nothing says gangster like "mobile web" | Jul 23 13:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] "Highway to Hell" live-rendered from sound sample on !linux, here at #ArchCon2011 - #win! | Jul 23 13:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] White in laws tend to treat you like some sort of slacker. "You musta hooked up with our daughter for money" | Jul 23 13:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT @jargon norwegian police describes terrorist as christian fundamentalist ur1.ca/4roei | Jul 23 14:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] /me watching the contemporary remake of Sherlock, http://www.bbc.co.uk/sherlock :-D | Jul 23 14:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] there's a wiki page about #FUD http://is.gd/Sx3PNC never knew that, although it shoulda been obvious | Jul 23 14:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Don't let #FUD kill your business goals http://is.gd/QW09yU | Jul 23 14:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] "a right-winger with anti- Muslim views but no known links to hardcore extremists" http://b1t.it/sHz | Jul 23 14:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @_tomash: if you trust the Cloud, the Cloud will fuck you tenfolds. http://t.co/NFGehTh (and how does Google+ looks like now?) | Jul 23 14:22 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://seattleseconds.wordpress.com/2011/07/09/is-cursive-obsolete/ | Jul 23 14:27 |
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| DaemonFC | of all the stupid things | Jul 23 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | here, we won't teach you how to write, use this ipad instead | Jul 23 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | it's only $700 | Jul 23 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | [09:32] <DaemonFC> Indiana has decided to stop teaching cursive handwriting. | Jul 23 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | [09:32] <DaemonFC> I've already lampooned this decision. | Jul 23 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | [09:32] <DaemonFC> "Here, we won’t teach you how to write with a 20 cent pen and a 1 cent piece of paper, use this $700 ipad instead." | Jul 23 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | [09:32] <DaemonFC> :) | Jul 23 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | [09:33] <DaemonFC> they cited how important these new digital devices are. I'm sure they'll continue fleecing the tax payers and misappropriating tax revenue to Apple for obscenely overpriced vanity gadgets. | Jul 23 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | [09:34] <DaemonFC> the OLPC is only $100 per and is built with free software, instead they go find enslavementware that costs seven times too much | Jul 23 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | [09:36] <DaemonFC> we're in a budget crunch you see. Quick! Waste more money! | Jul 23 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | [09:36] <DaemonFC> Tell the people it's for "education" | Jul 23 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | [09:37] <DaemonFC> we'll teach kids how to use devices that artificially restrict them and quash their individuality! | Jul 23 14:37 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Really with my hands I had to type. | Jul 23 14:38 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: I cannot cursive write to save myself. | Jul 23 14:38 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Heck I can barely print write to save self. | Jul 23 14:38 |
| oiaohm | Teaching to type on a proper keyboard is not that restrictive. | Jul 23 14:38 |
| DaemonFC | [09:38] <DaemonFC> it's a skill that every child should learn | Jul 23 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | [09:38] <DaemonFC> to call it obsolete because we have expensive vanity devices like ipad is fucking stupid | Jul 23 14:39 |
| DaemonFC | [09:38] <DaemonFC> here little Timmy, you can grow up to be a wage slave and put things like this on your credit card! | Jul 23 14:39 |
| oiaohm | ipad biggest problem is that you cannot jack in a proper keyboard simply. | Jul 23 14:39 |
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| xjasonx | I can't believe Linux Journal is sponsoring MONO | Jul 23 14:49 |
| xjasonx | http://monospace.us/ | Jul 23 14:51 |
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| xjasonx | who would even buy this shit? | Jul 23 14:53 |
| xjasonx | srsly. | Jul 23 14:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Wanted: A JavaScript app that calculates compound interest. | Jul 23 14:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] @eebrah Wanted: A JavaScript app that calculates compound interest. | Jul 23 14:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] "The person who has made the biggest change to the world in our lifetimes - the most powerful man on Earth" - http://bit.ly/rq9kDE who...? | Jul 23 14:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] US-Forscher entdecken gigantisches Wasserreservoir im All - http://bit.ly/qERyFo 140 billion times the volume of the Earth's oceans | Jul 23 15:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @nj3ma: @eebrah Wanted: A JavaScript app that calculates compound interest. -- Okay | Jul 23 15:00 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 12 Milliarden Lichtjahre entfernt: US-Forscher entdecken gigantisches Wasserreservoir im All - SPIEGEL ONLINE - Nachrichten - Wissenschaft .::. Size~: 53.72 KB | Jul 23 15:00 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] In Britain our elite are educated in that competition is good. They go on to make decisions for us all. #survivalofthugs | Jul 23 15:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] At a rate of 14% p.a compounded, KES 100 becomes KES 927.64 over 16 years. | Jul 23 15:03 | |
| schestowitz | hi, xjasonx | Jul 23 15:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ Bush, 9/11: "We're gonna hunt you down." Stoltenberg 22/7: "We will retaliate with more democracy" Im proud to be Norwegian | Jul 23 15:05 | |
| xjasonx | hey schestoiwtz! | Jul 23 15:05 |
| xjasonx | how are things? | Jul 23 15:05 |
| schestowitz | bbl[13:36] <DaemonFC> hmmm, running low on coffee | Jul 23 15:05 |
| xjasonx | er, schestowitz | Jul 23 15:05 |
| schestowitz | You need Ritalin, not Caffeine | Jul 23 15:05 |
| xjasonx | haha | Jul 23 15:06 |
| schestowitz | [14:49] <xjasonx> I can't believe Linux Journal is sponsoring MONO | Jul 23 15:06 |
| schestowitz | not too shocking | Jul 23 15:06 |
| schestowitz | LJ was never saying negative things about mono | Jul 23 15:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] !Diaspora at #ArchCon2011 :) http://www.diaspora.pl/ and http://archcon.pl/ - hand in hand. | Jul 23 15:07 | |
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| schestowitz | heh. I've spent ours listening to the music from the photo presentation from a friend's vacation. My Web browser is now like my music player... | Jul 23 15:07 |
| xjasonx | I didn't know that about LJ | Jul 23 15:09 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/76936707#notice-79518919 | Jul 23 15:09 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/79518919 | Jul 23 15:09 |
| xjasonx | why are they so pro-MONO? | Jul 23 15:09 |
| schestowitz | did you see that? | Jul 23 15:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Srinivas V (srini)'s status on Saturday, 23-Jul-11 12:20:47 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz total, absolute, stretched, wretched, corporate cacophonical, bullshit. Thats the summary of marks loooooooong essay. | Jul 23 15:10 |
| schestowitz | they are not PRO-Mono | Jul 23 15:10 |
| schestowitz | They are not touching that | Jul 23 15:10 |
| schestowitz | more like agnostic, except the sponsorship | Jul 23 15:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Jacob Rees-Mogg. Born at least a century too late. | Jul 23 15:10 | |
| schestowitz | Last monospace was run by a Microsoft MVP (not Miguel) | Jul 23 15:10 |
| xjasonx | I dunno, sponsoring MONO seems pretty pro-MONO to me | Jul 23 15:10 |
| schestowitz | ask them | Jul 23 15:10 |
| schestowitz | #linuxjournal | Jul 23 15:11 |
| xjasonx | thx | Jul 23 15:12 |
| Snit | Schestowitz: any topics you want me to focus on tomorrow - or any you want me to avoid? | Jul 23 15:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT @mbjunior #Wine tasting description's such a dull thing. I don't care about what you imagine this liquid's history may be. Just drink ... | Jul 23 15:13 | |
| Snit | Also, how long is the show... I never asked. I have been assuming about an hour. | Jul 23 15:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] How to work as a Graphic Designer without sleeping with Adobe http://bit.ly/q0u7mG | Jul 23 15:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @glynmoody "The person who has made the biggest change to the world in our lifetimes - the most powerful man on Earth" - http://bit.l ... | Jul 23 15:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[xtarwars/@xtarwars] !wikileaks !news Grupo de hackers revela datos de la OTAN tras redadas http://www.democracynow.org/es/2011/7/22/titulares#10 | Jul 23 15:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Google's strategy puts Oracle in a difficult position http://bit.ly/p97jjy vulnerable in reexamination | Jul 23 15:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] !Fedora #FAmSCo meeting to be skipped for this week(end) due to connectivity issues/availability. rescheduling is discussed at the moment | Jul 23 15:27 | |
| schestowitz | be yourself | Jul 23 15:31 |
| schestowitz | I won't be rude | Jul 23 15:31 |
| schestowitz | we're a friendly show | Jul 23 15:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] being online on IRC using a phone is not the most pleasant situation (phew, glad this has a hardware keyboard) | Jul 23 15:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Setting up a !Diaspora pod on #ArchCon, on-stage, right now. #warchcon @ freenode, join nao! | Jul 23 15:35 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz is very rude | Jul 23 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | jsut ask him about the gonad the barbarian jokes involving my mother | Jul 23 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Jul 23 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | http://consumerist.com/2011/07/chinas-hypergrowth-fueled-by-building-giant-cities-no-one-lives-in.html | Jul 23 15:46 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] @nj3ma http://eebrah.netivity.co.ke/interest.html/ | Jul 23 15:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @cer @harishpillay @patrickniedzielski the journey begins: http://2tu.us/3eyi #Linux #kernel 3.0 !gnu | Jul 23 15:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I maintain my previous opinion Rory Stewart is an interesting character. | Jul 23 15:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] is there a #SuSE recovery app called "Wake Up Little SuSE"? #PaulSimon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1NGH9OuJTM | Jul 23 15:52 | |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: your defence of guns was stupid | Jul 23 15:54 |
| schestowitz | I did some further reading, it was on an island | Jul 23 15:54 |
| schestowitz | Based on your stupid gun propaganda that exploits this, kids should have had handguns to shoot him in the shoulder or something | Jul 23 15:55 |
| schestowitz | So you want it both way | Jul 23 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | they said there were people in their 20s and 30s there | Jul 23 15:55 |
| schestowitz | When the jarred dude shot many people a girl we call for less guns | Jul 23 15:55 |
| DaemonFC | thise aren't kids | Jul 23 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | *those | Jul 23 15:56 |
| schestowitz | When the shooter goes mad in a nation with fewer guns then you want more guns | Jul 23 15:56 |
| schestowitz | So either way you get your propaganda | Jul 23 15:56 |
| DaemonFC | well, the only thing that made this possible was pacifism | Jul 23 15:56 |
| schestowitz | No | Jul 23 15:57 |
| schestowitz | It was extremism | Jul 23 15:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @jonaso https://creativecommons.org/weblog/entry/28403 - Announcing new Creative Commons Regional Managers (and I'm one of 'em!) | Jul 23 15:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] What do fashion houses expect to get from #fashion #copyright? - http://bit.ly/nT7yhF good question; great analysis #reputation | Jul 23 15:57 | |
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| schestowitz | This only rationalises MORE gun CONTROL | Jul 23 15:57 |
| schestowitz | And you turn this into pro-gun propaganda | Jul 23 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | it's a mass psychological phenomenon | Jul 23 15:57 |
| schestowitz | The man had several firearms | Jul 23 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | terrorist is outnumbered 10-1 with a box cutter | Jul 23 15:57 |
| schestowitz | I.e. too much in weaponry | Jul 23 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | passengers let them take the plane anyway | Jul 23 15:58 |
| schestowitz | On the plane nobody has weapons | Jul 23 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | fuck weapons | Jul 23 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | a box cutter? | Jul 23 15:58 |
| schestowitz | it's a lousy one | Jul 23 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | a box cutter? | Jul 23 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | really? | Jul 23 15:58 |
| schestowitz | 10 passengers with fists beat that easily | Jul 23 15:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Podcasts: Who still listens to them? http://is.gd/XVH3wU - by legacy broadcaster #BBC - like social media, its about WHO you follow | Jul 23 15:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] #ArchCon2011 ends, people moving to the afterparty venue... time to clean-up! no wifi downtime, no technical problems, I'm amazed! !arch | Jul 23 15:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @glynmoody: wht do fashion houses expect 2 get from #fashion #copyright? - http://bit.ly/nT7yhF gd question; gr8 analysis #reputation | Jul 23 15:58 | |
| DaemonFC | gang up on him and kick his fucking ass | Jul 23 15:59 |
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| DaemonFC | what do they do? nothing | Jul 23 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | how does one man shoot and kill 80 people without being stopped? | Jul 23 15:59 |
| schestowitz | anyway, media plays right into the monster's hands | Jul 23 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | people are busy running in random directions and only worries about themselves | Jul 23 16:00 |
| schestowitz | He set up Facebok opage, more like "Media Enquires" | Jul 23 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | and so their numerical advantage means nothing | Jul 23 16:00 |
| schestowitz | "Here, there I have some nice photo and list of interests for your articles about me" | Jul 23 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, and he's in pansy land | Jul 23 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | so no death sentence | Jul 23 16:01 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: it's dufferent in a plane | Jul 23 16:01 |
| schestowitz | What would death sentence achieve? | Jul 23 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | Norway will pay for him to live out a long life in prison | Jul 23 16:02 |
| schestowitz | You're so ignorant about these issues that you don't think about what more guns would do and the little deterrence a death penalty would bring | Jul 23 16:02 |
| schestowitz | It makes it more like a "nothing-to-lose scenario | Jul 23 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | I don't care if it's a deterrent | Jul 23 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | he should be executed | Jul 23 16:02 |
| schestowitz | it won't bring back the dead | Jul 23 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | that doesn't mean he should be allowed to live | Jul 23 16:03 |
| schestowitz | You just cause more death with the death penalty | Jul 23 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, the guy who deserves it | Jul 23 16:03 |
| schestowitz | andn his family that suffers the loss | Jul 23 16:03 |
| schestowitz | They didn't do it | Jul 23 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | he should not be allowed to live | Jul 23 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | if his parents had raised him better he might not have done this | Jul 23 16:04 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @bjoern New Fellowship interview is online. This time with Bernhard @Reiter - founder and Executive Director of Intevation GmbH http: ... | Jul 23 16:05 | |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/76880592#notice-79526616 http://identi.ca/notice/79526616 | Jul 23 16:08 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @unixclubhouse (unixclubhouse)'s status on Saturday, 23-Jul-11 14:55:49 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz yes they dropped support for HP-UX Itanium systems also. It's all a ploy to boost their new lagging Sun/Solaris servers. | Jul 23 16:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Hackathon. | Jul 23 16:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Microsoft case: #FSFE in European Court of Justice hearing - http://bit.ly/k3chLY important stuff, even if no one is paying much attention | Jul 23 16:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] @eebrah Headed thine way. Afraid I will not be keynoting any of my recent acquisitions. | Jul 23 16:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @sandersch: @carlopiana what's twitter? | Jul 23 16:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] @eebrah Headed thine way. Afraid I will not be keynoting any of my recent acquisitions. | Jul 23 11:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @sandersch: @carlopiana what's twitter? | Jul 23 11:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] A Fifteenth Century Technopanic About The Horrors Of The Printing Press - http://bit.ly/o3Ii88 three views #copyright #mercantilism | Jul 23 11:20 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.themilitant.com/2011/7528/752803.html | Jul 23 11:23 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Prableen Kaur: Hell on #Utøya (@PrableenKaur translated by @kyrah) - http://bit.ly/pOUXig extraordinary eye-witness account | Jul 23 11:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] #Linux #kernel 3.0-rt1 http://bit.ly/rmuTFf was quickly followed by 3.0-rt2 http://bit.ly/nR57h9 #realtime | Jul 23 11:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] St Helens the only rugby league team that held out against idiot marketing names. Hopefully cricket county teams will follow. | Jul 23 11:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsmag/@fsmag] From now on, we will post to both Twitter and identi.ca at the same time. Thanks! | Jul 23 11:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT @sandersch @jargon in Greece it was the rich upperclass that are to blame and the normal people again suffer. | Jul 23 11:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT @jargon @sandersch usually is that way. unfortunately,the rich have figured out best way to keep the poor busy it to turn poor agains ... | Jul 23 11:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT @davidmn Motherfuckers! Who calls "port forwarding" "services" and doesn't put it in "advanced settings". Fucking netgear. Die. | Jul 23 11:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] ♻ @TweetChina: Express train derailment in China http://bbc.in/pKCgbu - BBC | Jul 23 11:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] @gbraad Got an on screen keyboard, and crappy net. Think how pleasant my IRC experiences must be | Jul 23 11:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] "Anders Behring Breivik Identified As Suspect In Norway Shooting" http://ur1.ca/4rqg9 #oslobomb | Jul 23 12:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] if anyone is interested in !rmsgnulinux 2.0, a live !slax based distro, join #rmsgnulinux on freenode. We want ideas for the new release | Jul 23 12:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MT @VisaePatentes @zoobab New German Approach To Examination of Software Inventions confirmed http://goo.gl/fb/qXg8w >>looks bad: is it? | Jul 23 12:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] #TopGear ode to the #Shuttle; Reliant Challenge http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pJdrlWR-yFM More is needed than just a good idea! Thanks NASA | Jul 23 12:23 | |
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| schestowitz | router went bad | Jul 23 12:46 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/explodingwalrus/status/94730820677410816 | Jul 23 12:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @explodingwalrus: Who the hell uses the Google Toolbar? http://ur1.ca/4rntd cc @schestowitz | Jul 23 12:53 |
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| schestowitz | I was using it until quite recently, after Googlebar was decimated pretty much | Jul 23 12:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] In Defence of Publication Reform http://ur1.ca/4rqpf finally posted, after 1.5 hours struggling with this #BT connection | Jul 23 12:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #gmo http://j.mp/pXnXQU | Jul 23 12:53 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I knew you write & post as you go, I didn't know you wrote live in IRC @zotz, wow | Jul 23 12:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good afternoon !identiverse | Jul 23 12:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good morning @marjoleink :) | Jul 23 13:00 | |
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| Snit | Schestowitz: what OS does your router use? | Jul 23 13:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good afternoon @sandersch :) | Jul 23 13:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] imdb.com doesn't work without the www. part, an intentional statement on how the #movie industry doesn't understand the internet? | Jul 23 13:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good morning @mcnalu :) | Jul 23 13:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @lxoliva ♻ @arnebab: a writer, the copyfight and internet freedom: “how copyright law has hurt me” ur1.ca/4r77m by @laurelrusswurm | Jul 23 13:10 | |
| schestowitz | Snit: Linux | Jul 23 13:10 |
| schestowitz | I don't know if it's a router issue | Jul 23 13:10 |
| schestowitz | It's a hub aactually | Jul 23 13:10 |
| schestowitz | See my tweet | Jul 23 13:10 |
| schestowitz | This coincided with real BT issues | Jul 23 13:10 |
| Snit | Ok | Jul 23 13:11 |
| schestowitz | so I'm not sure what resolved this | Jul 23 13:11 |
| Snit | Fair enough | Jul 23 13:11 |
| schestowitz | It was resolved while I was on BT's line... speaking to a rep from India | Jul 23 13:11 |
| schestowitz | The important thing is that it's back and this was the first such incident ever. | Jul 23 13:11 |
| schestowitz | First power-cycle of the hub since March | Jul 23 13:12 |
| Snit | My ISP is a bit flakey... but the neighbor has another ISP and we act as backup providers for each other. | Jul 23 13:12 |
| Snit | Rarely are they both down at the same time. | Jul 23 13:12 |
| schestowitz | I planned for contengencies | Jul 23 13:12 |
| schestowitz | So did some offline work in the mean time | Jul 23 13:12 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2011/07/18/downtime-thoughts/ | Jul 23 13:12 |
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| schestowitz | Got the house clean, put new music on the PMP, etc. | Jul 23 13:13 |
| Snit | Hey, changing topics: for tomorrow - any topics you want to cover or avoid. I am trying to do *some* planning (though frankly I will not be doing much). | Jul 23 13:13 |
| Snit | Yeah, I just did some house cleaning | Jul 23 13:13 |
| schestowitz | I know someone who pays two ISPs because the connection is flaky so fallbacks are essential | Jul 23 13:13 |
| schestowitz | I have a fallback too | Jul 23 13:13 |
| schestowitz | A wireless connection (cellular) | Jul 23 13:13 |
| schestowitz | But it's expensive if I open it, this is for emergency if there's downtime while I do work | Jul 23 13:14 |
| Snit | Makes sense. I get my backup for free... well, the neighbor pays for it... but I am her backup, so it all works out. | Jul 23 13:14 |
| schestowitz | Snit: I think Goblin has topics | Jul 23 13:14 |
| schestowitz | The trolls in COLA already try to create a rift | Jul 23 13:14 |
| schestowitz | I mean, the ?*rude* trolls | Jul 23 13:14 |
| Snit | And at least my provider knows about it and has no problem... | Jul 23 13:14 |
| schestowitz | The libellous stalker esp. | Jul 23 13:15 |
| Snit | :) | Jul 23 13:15 |
| Snit | I can deal with the name calling and such... even if I do not like it... but the tracking people down BS is crossing a line | Jul 23 13:15 |
| schestowitz | Arizona is not densely populated, so.. | Jul 23 13:15 |
| Snit | Goblin has made it clear he does not want to be tracked - I know you know who he is, and that is fine. Why would I want to track him down? | Jul 23 13:15 |
| Snit | I just do not get it | Jul 23 13:15 |
| schestowitz | to intimidate | Jul 23 13:16 |
| Snit | And I am in a fairly small town... and as trolls have shown, I can be found on the *public* tax records - so my address is easy to find... as are the names of my neigbors. | Jul 23 13:16 |
| Snit | And addresses and even their phone numbers. | Jul 23 13:16 |
| Snit | With stuff like that out there I can see where people can get paranoid... it is just scary what people can find about you in fairly trivial ways. | Jul 23 13:17 |
| Snit | Well, yes... they intimidate because they do not have faith in their ability to support their claims | Jul 23 13:17 |
| schestowitz | Not really | Jul 23 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Their goal is not to make claims | Jul 23 13:18 |
| Snit | You and I might disagree, but I have *never* seen you come close to crossing such a line. And I guarantee you that you have never seen me do so, either. | Jul 23 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Not the mad trolls | Jul 23 13:18 |
| schestowitz | Their goal is to kill forums | Jul 23 13:18 |
| Snit | Oh, sure... some are there just to mess with people | Jul 23 13:18 |
| Snit | Make insane claims to see who they can get riled up. | Jul 23 13:18 |
| Snit | And there are people on both " | Jul 23 13:19 |
| Snit | sides" who do that | Jul 23 13:19 |
| Snit | Flatfish, 7 and Peter K., for example | Jul 23 13:19 |
| schestowitz | COLA is more sane and family-friendly, except for the abuse from the criminal troll http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/topics?lnk=srg | Jul 23 13:19 |
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| Snit | They offer essentially nothing of value to COLA. | Jul 23 13:19 |
| Snit | Just insults | Jul 23 13:19 |
| schestowitz | Peter is OK | Jul 23 13:21 |
| Snit | Ok, you would be amused - just found a bug in Apple's virtual desktops with Lion. I clicked on the link and it opened Lion on a desktop I had since closed... so, essentially, opened it nowhere. | Jul 23 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Maybe impatient with some people | Jul 23 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Those who defame him | Jul 23 13:21 |
| schestowitz | Or try... | Jul 23 13:21 |
| Snit | Peter just spews insults and accusations | Jul 23 13:21 |
| Snit | And makes up stories about people's families. | Jul 23 13:21 |
| schestowitz | The trolls' tactic of defamation is not effective cause people do not take random forumsseriously | Jul 23 13:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] downloading !gcc 4.6.1 to build for !rmsgnulinux | Jul 23 13:22 | |
| Snit | Or anyone who has shown him to be wrong. | Jul 23 13:22 |
| schestowitz | If anything, it may give the impression that those whom they defame are influential enough to merit such libel | Jul 23 13:22 |
| schestowitz | Which is turn can actually legitimise those whom they defame | Jul 23 13:22 |
| Snit | To some extent, but Peter tries anyway... and seeds Google with his attacks. | Jul 23 13:22 |
| schestowitz | Like when they stalk people | Jul 23 13:22 |
| schestowitz | The stalkers read it later | Jul 23 13:23 |
| Snit | How often does Peter seen Google with his lies about me and my business name. It is insane. | Jul 23 13:23 |
| schestowitz | Maybe even now, but their sockpuppets don't seem to be here right now | Jul 23 13:23 |
| schestowitz | Business? | Jul 23 13:23 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I know | Jul 23 13:23 |
| schestowitz | Some Prscott Store.. | Jul 23 13:23 |
| Snit | It is why I mostly ignore Steve Carroll (mostly of CSMA). He was an *extreme* stalker. Tracked me down to where I work and threatened to contact my employer... and, it seems, did so on a couple of occasions | Jul 23 13:24 |
| Snit | Well, the Prescott home business. I run it from my home. | Jul 23 13:24 |
| schestowitz | what does it do | Jul 23 13:24 |
| Snit | Hmmm, well, I tend not to point people to it, but here: http://prescottcomputerguy.com | Jul 23 13:24 |
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| schestowitz | if you enter advocacy groups to argue against them, then you ask for trouble | Jul 23 13:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] wow, just checked and !rmsgnulinux has !icecat 3.6 I had pretty good timing for such a flat number :P | Jul 23 13:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] That's very sad, but I find it evil that the Mail is reporting on her death before her father even knows about it. Sick. @lstench | Jul 23 13:25 | |
| Snit | Web development (pretty basic - nothing too fancy), computer software setup and repair, training, video and photography work... | Jul 23 13:25 |
| schestowitz | " the computer technician, has more than 20 years of experience helping people to best use their DOS/Windows PCs, Apple Macintosh computers and the web." | Jul 23 13:26 |
| Snit | Hey... looking at my site reminded me of a task I forgot to add to my "todo" list today... update some info on Tofu. :) | Jul 23 13:26 |
| schestowitz | No Linux coverage, yet you troll their users | Jul 23 13:26 |
| schestowitz | Nice site | Jul 23 13:27 |
| schestowitz | Clean layout, decent content | Jul 23 13:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @zack new blog post: «harmonious agreements» http://ur1.ca/4rqbm #harmony | Jul 23 13:27 | |
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| Snit | I used to list Linux. I would have people ask what it was but never show interest. | Jul 23 13:27 |
| schestowitz | I haven't updated my site much since 2004 or 2005 | Jul 23 13:27 |
| schestowitz | All sites are always out of date | Jul 23 13:27 |
| Snit | But I might try adding it again - though I cannot claim to have 20 years of experience with Linux | Jul 23 13:27 |
| schestowitz | The bigger the sites become, the more likely they are to stay out of date | Jul 23 13:27 |
| Snit | Yes... mine is. | Jul 23 13:27 |
| schestowitz | I just datestamp them to serve as disclaimer | Jul 23 13:27 |
| Snit | Agreed. Mine is small, but I try to make it look fairly professional without being "corporate". | Jul 23 13:28 |
| schestowitz | Mine is work in progress | Jul 23 13:28 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/c/ | Jul 23 13:28 |
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| schestowitz | I have two clients coming | Jul 23 13:28 |
| Snit | I should clean up my home page to focus less on me and more on people's needs... been meaning to for, um, a few years now. :) | Jul 23 13:28 |
| schestowitz | And two people who will help out, they want me to tutor them | Jul 23 13:28 |
| Snit | Looks good... but a bit "template-y" if you know what I mean. Still, there is something to be said for having a fairly common look and feel - people feel comfortable. | Jul 23 13:29 |
| schestowitz | http://prescottcomputerguy.com/blog/ | Jul 23 13:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Prescott Computer Guy Blog .::. Size~: 11.18 KB | Jul 23 13:30 |
| Snit | Where with my site I have a small bear fixing parenthesis... might make people get a bit confused. :) | Jul 23 13:30 |
| schestowitz | So you use Linux and FOSS (WP) | Jul 23 13:30 |
| schestowitz | Yet you also mock it | Jul 23 13:30 |
| schestowitz | Pick your sides | Jul 23 13:30 |
| Snit | BRB... on phone | Jul 23 13:30 |
| schestowitz | That's a Linux GUI too | Jul 23 13:30 |
| schestowitz | It's called WordPress, it's a GUI layer made of HTML | Jul 23 13:30 |
| schestowitz | XHTML actually | Jul 23 13:30 |
| schestowitz | and JS | Jul 23 13:30 |
| schestowitz | "<meta name="generator" content="WordPress 3.2" />" | Jul 23 13:31 |
| schestowitz | You're out of date | Jul 23 13:31 |
| schestowitz | There;'s a hosting bug patch | Jul 23 13:32 |
| schestowitz | Not security related though | Jul 23 13:32 |
| Snit | Ok, back | Jul 23 13:33 |
| Snit | Wait... what are you talking about/ | Jul 23 13:34 |
| Snit | A Linux GUI? | Jul 23 13:34 |
| Snit | My comment about the parenthesis? | Jul 23 13:34 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/palmerv0r/status/94786589540093952 | Jul 23 13:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @palmerv0r: @lgladdy @ohnorosco China is the world's superpower, The US has already defaulted on the debt and China now owns the nation. | Jul 23 13:34 |
| schestowitz | How true | Jul 23 13:34 |
| schestowitz | China will probably buy US estate | Jul 23 13:34 |
| schestowitz | And then rent to people the houses they once owned | Jul 23 13:35 |
| schestowitz | That's my opinion anyway, as I explained to a friend last night (who has a mortgage to worry about) | Jul 23 13:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] if the #Murdochs lie to the MPs on the select committee, what makes anyone believe they don't lie to MPs over everything else? #NOTW | Jul 23 13:35 | |
| Snit | Schestowitz: I think you misunderstood my comment about the parenthesis. I was talking about my site... the graphic at the top. | Jul 23 13:35 |
| schestowitz | Nothing about the content | Jul 23 13:35 |
| schestowitz | Page source | Jul 23 13:35 |
| Snit | On my site or yours? | Jul 23 13:35 |
| schestowitz | Your wordpress install is out of date | Jul 23 13:36 |
| Snit | Ah, yes... I should update it. | Jul 23 13:36 |
| Snit | and I like Wordpress... running on a Linux server. | Jul 23 13:36 |
| schestowitz | I've been a wordpress hacker (not cracker) since 2004, I saw that quickly | Jul 23 13:36 |
| Snit | Think it is great | Jul 23 13:36 |
| schestowitz | it has a GI | Jul 23 13:36 |
| schestowitz | GI | Jul 23 13:36 |
| schestowitz | GUI | Jul 23 13:36 |
| schestowitz | Called WordPress | Jul 23 13:36 |
| MinceR | GUI Joe | Jul 23 13:36 |
| schestowitz | And it keeps getting more user-friendly yet versatile | Jul 23 13:36 |
| schestowitz | Drupal too | Jul 23 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Plasma is also a GUI | Jul 23 13:37 |
| Snit | Have not used Drupal much either. | Jul 23 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Based on similar APIs | Jul 23 13:37 |
| Snit | Or I should say "much". | Jul 23 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Similar to Apple's implementation although Apple imitated Linux | Jul 23 13:37 |
| Snit | Well, hardly an expert in WordPress either. | Jul 23 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Linux is a kernel | Jul 23 13:37 |
| Snit | Imitated Linux with what? | Jul 23 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Android is an OS | Jul 23 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Linux is a kernel | Jul 23 13:37 |
| schestowitz | WordPress is an App | Jul 23 13:38 |
| Snit | Yes. | Jul 23 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Linux is a kernel | Jul 23 13:38 |
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| Snit | Are you talking to me or is there someone else in the room who I do not see? | Jul 23 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Apache is a powerful framework that serves pages very weell | Jul 23 13:38 |
| schestowitz | *Well | Jul 23 13:38 |
| schestowitz | The kernel is also very good for my work that I am paid for | Jul 23 13:38 |
| Snit | I have no problem with that. | Jul 23 13:38 |
| Snit | You claim I should "pick sides" - as though I should support Linux all or nothing | Jul 23 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Which may sometimes include doing sites for people, yet you dismiss it in a way that makes you look like a technophob | Jul 23 13:39 |
| schestowitz | *e | Jul 23 13:39 |
| Snit | Where I find it excellent in many areas but lacking in others. | Jul 23 13:39 |
| schestowitz | My point was, you use Linux | Jul 23 13:39 |
| Snit | Sure I do. Of course. | Jul 23 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Yet you troll a Linux newsgroup | Jul 23 13:39 |
| Snit | Huh? | Jul 23 13:39 |
| schestowitz | That's like gay priests preaching hatred against gays | Jul 23 13:39 |
| Snit | I think Linux is great on routers and servers and developers desktops (at least some), etc. | Jul 23 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Right. | Jul 23 13:40 |
| schestowitz | It's not a desktop | Jul 23 13:40 |
| Snit | You seem to think I am against Linux or something... when I am not. | Jul 23 13:40 |
| schestowitz | It's a kernel | Jul 23 13:40 |
| schestowitz | And you're fine using it a lot | Jul 23 13:40 |
| Snit | Sure. | Jul 23 13:40 |
| Snit | No argument here. | Jul 23 13:40 |
| schestowitz | If you have a problem with KDE or GNOME, take it to them | Jul 23 13:40 |
| schestowitz | They're not Linux | Jul 23 13:40 |
| schestowitz | KDE can run on Windows and OS X | Jul 23 13:40 |
| Snit | I am not a kernel person (know little of them) but the Linux kernel seems fine and serves my needs very well in multiple settings. | Jul 23 13:40 |
| schestowitz | and KDE on Windows would still be better than the restricted Windows default, which is a shell Microsoft forces on people | Jul 23 13:41 |
| Snit | Well, in COLA I mostly talk about *desktop* Linux... | Jul 23 13:41 |
| schestowitz | there is no "desktop Linux" | Jul 23 13:41 |
| Snit | which is the main topic there anyway. And what Linus cares about most (or cared - he might now include tablets and smart phones and other consumer devices - would make sense). | Jul 23 13:41 |
| schestowitz | there is no desktop scheduler for Linux, either | Jul 23 13:41 |
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| schestowitz | There are Free DEs | Jul 23 13:41 |
| schestowitz | There is no "Linux kernel" either | Jul 23 13:41 |
| Snit | You might not like the term, but sure there is. Ubuntu, for example, is a desktop Linux. | Jul 23 13:41 |
| schestowitz | It's just Linux | Jul 23 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Linux is a kernel | Jul 23 13:42 |
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| **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jul 23 17:44:26 2011 | ||
| *Now talking on #techrights | Jul 23 17:44 | |
| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org | Free Software Sentry – watching and reporting maneuvers of those who oppose software freedom | Jul 23 17:44 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Wed Sep 22 21:19:38 2010 | Jul 23 17:44 | |
| -NickServ-You are now identified for schestowitz. | Jul 23 17:44 | |
| schestowitz | router went bad | Jul 23 17:47 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/explodingwalrus/status/94730820677410816 | Jul 23 17:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @explodingwalrus: Who the hell uses the Google Toolbar? http://ur1.ca/4rntd cc @schestowitz | Jul 23 17:53 |
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| schestowitz | I was using it until quite recently, after Googlebar was decimated pretty much | Jul 23 17:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] In Defence of Publication Reform http://ur1.ca/4rqpf finally posted, after 1.5 hours struggling with this #BT connection | Jul 23 17:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #gmo http://j.mp/pXnXQU | Jul 23 17:54 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » In Defence of Publication Reform .::. Size~: 36.28 KB | Jul 23 17:54 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I knew you write & post as you go, I didn't know you wrote live in IRC @zotz, wow | Jul 23 17:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good afternoon !identiverse | Jul 23 17:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good morning @marjoleink :) | Jul 23 18:00 | |
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| Snit | Schestowitz: what OS does your router use? | Jul 23 18:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good afternoon @sandersch :) | Jul 23 18:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] imdb.com doesn't work without the www. part, an intentional statement on how the #movie industry doesn't understand the internet? | Jul 23 18:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good morning @mcnalu :) | Jul 23 18:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @lxoliva ♻ @arnebab: a writer, the copyfight and internet freedom: “how copyright law has hurt me” ur1.ca/4r77m by @laurelrusswurm | Jul 23 18:10 | |
| schestowitz | Snit: Linux | Jul 23 18:10 |
| schestowitz | I don't know if it's a router issue | Jul 23 18:10 |
| schestowitz | It's a hub aactually | Jul 23 18:10 |
| schestowitz | See my tweet | Jul 23 18:10 |
| schestowitz | This coincided with real BT issues | Jul 23 18:11 |
| Snit | Ok | Jul 23 18:11 |
| schestowitz | so I'm not sure what resolved this | Jul 23 18:11 |
| Snit | Fair enough | Jul 23 18:11 |
| schestowitz | It was resolved while I was on BT's line... speaking to a rep from India | Jul 23 18:11 |
| schestowitz | The important thing is that it's back and this was the first such incident ever. | Jul 23 18:11 |
| schestowitz | First power-cycle of the hub since March | Jul 23 18:12 |
| Snit | My ISP is a bit flakey... but the neighbor has another ISP and we act as backup providers for each other. | Jul 23 18:12 |
| Snit | Rarely are they both down at the same time. | Jul 23 18:12 |
| schestowitz | I planned for contengencies | Jul 23 18:12 |
| schestowitz | So did some offline work in the mean time | Jul 23 18:12 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2011/07/18/downtime-thoughts/ | Jul 23 18:12 |
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| schestowitz | Got the house clean, put new music on the PMP, etc. | Jul 23 18:13 |
| Snit | Hey, changing topics: for tomorrow - any topics you want to cover or avoid. I am trying to do *some* planning (though frankly I will not be doing much). | Jul 23 18:13 |
| Snit | Yeah, I just did some house cleaning | Jul 23 18:13 |
| schestowitz | I know someone who pays two ISPs because the connection is flaky so fallbacks are essential | Jul 23 18:13 |
| schestowitz | I have a fallback too | Jul 23 18:13 |
| schestowitz | A wireless connection (cellular) | Jul 23 18:13 |
| schestowitz | But it's expensive if I open it, this is for emergency if there's downtime while I do work | Jul 23 18:14 |
| Snit | Makes sense. I get my backup for free... well, the neighbor pays for it... but I am her backup, so it all works out. | Jul 23 18:14 |
| schestowitz | Snit: I think Goblin has topics | Jul 23 18:14 |
| schestowitz | The trolls in COLA already try to create a rift | Jul 23 18:14 |
| schestowitz | I mean, the ?*rude* trolls | Jul 23 18:15 |
| Snit | And at least my provider knows about it and has no problem... | Jul 23 18:15 |
| schestowitz | The libellous stalker esp. | Jul 23 18:15 |
| Snit | :) | Jul 23 18:15 |
| Snit | I can deal with the name calling and such... even if I do not like it... but the tracking people down BS is crossing a line | Jul 23 18:15 |
| schestowitz | Arizona is not densely populated, so.. | Jul 23 18:15 |
| Snit | Goblin has made it clear he does not want to be tracked - I know you know who he is, and that is fine. Why would I want to track him down? | Jul 23 18:16 |
| Snit | I just do not get it | Jul 23 18:16 |
| schestowitz | to intimidate | Jul 23 18:16 |
| Snit | And I am in a fairly small town... and as trolls have shown, I can be found on the *public* tax records - so my address is easy to find... as are the names of my neigbors. | Jul 23 18:16 |
| Snit | And addresses and even their phone numbers. | Jul 23 18:16 |
| Snit | With stuff like that out there I can see where people can get paranoid... it is just scary what people can find about you in fairly trivial ways. | Jul 23 18:17 |
| Snit | Well, yes... they intimidate because they do not have faith in their ability to support their claims | Jul 23 18:17 |
| schestowitz | Not really | Jul 23 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Their goal is not to make claims | Jul 23 18:18 |
| Snit | You and I might disagree, but I have *never* seen you come close to crossing such a line. And I guarantee you that you have never seen me do so, either. | Jul 23 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Not the mad trolls | Jul 23 18:18 |
| schestowitz | Their goal is to kill forums | Jul 23 18:18 |
| Snit | Oh, sure... some are there just to mess with people | Jul 23 18:18 |
| Snit | Make insane claims to see who they can get riled up. | Jul 23 18:19 |
| Snit | And there are people on both " | Jul 23 18:19 |
| Snit | sides" who do that | Jul 23 18:19 |
| Snit | Flatfish, 7 and Peter K., for example | Jul 23 18:19 |
| schestowitz | COLA is more sane and family-friendly, except for the abuse from the criminal troll http://groups.google.com/group/comp.os.linux.advocacy/topics?lnk=srg | Jul 23 18:19 |
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| Snit | They offer essentially nothing of value to COLA. | Jul 23 18:19 |
| Snit | Just insults | Jul 23 18:19 |
| schestowitz | Peter is OK | Jul 23 18:21 |
| Snit | Ok, you would be amused - just found a bug in Apple's virtual desktops with Lion. I clicked on the link and it opened Lion on a desktop I had since closed... so, essentially, opened it nowhere. | Jul 23 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Maybe impatient with some people | Jul 23 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Those who defame him | Jul 23 18:21 |
| schestowitz | Or try... | Jul 23 18:21 |
| Snit | Peter just spews insults and accusations | Jul 23 18:21 |
| Snit | And makes up stories about people's families. | Jul 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | The trolls' tactic of defamation is not effective cause people do not take random forumsseriously | Jul 23 18:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] downloading !gcc 4.6.1 to build for !rmsgnulinux | Jul 23 18:22 | |
| Snit | Or anyone who has shown him to be wrong. | Jul 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | If anything, it may give the impression that those whom they defame are influential enough to merit such libel | Jul 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Which is turn can actually legitimise those whom they defame | Jul 23 18:22 |
| Snit | To some extent, but Peter tries anyway... and seeds Google with his attacks. | Jul 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Like when they stalk people | Jul 23 18:22 |
| schestowitz | The stalkers read it later | Jul 23 18:23 |
| Snit | How often does Peter seen Google with his lies about me and my business name. It is insane. | Jul 23 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Maybe even now, but their sockpuppets don't seem to be here right now | Jul 23 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Business? | Jul 23 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Oh, I know | Jul 23 18:23 |
| schestowitz | Some Prscott Store.. | Jul 23 18:24 |
| Snit | It is why I mostly ignore Steve Carroll (mostly of CSMA). He was an *extreme* stalker. Tracked me down to where I work and threatened to contact my employer... and, it seems, did so on a couple of occasions | Jul 23 18:24 |
| Snit | Well, the Prescott home business. I run it from my home. | Jul 23 18:24 |
| schestowitz | what does it do | Jul 23 18:24 |
| Snit | Hmmm, well, I tend not to point people to it, but here: http://prescottcomputerguy.com | Jul 23 18:25 |
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| schestowitz | if you enter advocacy groups to argue against them, then you ask for trouble | Jul 23 18:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] wow, just checked and !rmsgnulinux has !icecat 3.6 I had pretty good timing for such a flat number :P | Jul 23 18:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] That's very sad, but I find it evil that the Mail is reporting on her death before her father even knows about it. Sick. @lstench | Jul 23 18:25 | |
| Snit | Web development (pretty basic - nothing too fancy), computer software setup and repair, training, video and photography work... | Jul 23 18:25 |
| schestowitz | " the computer technician, has more than 20 years of experience helping people to best use their DOS/Windows PCs, Apple Macintosh computers and the web." | Jul 23 18:26 |
| Snit | Hey... looking at my site reminded me of a task I forgot to add to my "todo" list today... update some info on Tofu. :) | Jul 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | No Linux coverage, yet you troll their users | Jul 23 18:26 |
| schestowitz | Nice site | Jul 23 18:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @zack new blog post: «harmonious agreements» http://ur1.ca/4rqbm #harmony | Jul 23 18:27 | |
| schestowitz | Clean layout, decent content | Jul 23 18:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: harmonious assignments .::. Size~: 11.08 KB | Jul 23 18:27 |
| Snit | I used to list Linux. I would have people ask what it was but never show interest. | Jul 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | I haven't updated my site much since 2004 or 2005 | Jul 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | All sites are always out of date | Jul 23 18:27 |
| Snit | But I might try adding it again - though I cannot claim to have 20 years of experience with Linux | Jul 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | The bigger the sites become, the more likely they are to stay out of date | Jul 23 18:27 |
| Snit | Yes... mine is. | Jul 23 18:27 |
| schestowitz | I just datestamp them to serve as disclaimer | Jul 23 18:28 |
| Snit | Agreed. Mine is small, but I try to make it look fairly professional without being "corporate". | Jul 23 18:28 |
| schestowitz | Mine is work in progress | Jul 23 18:28 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/c/ | Jul 23 18:28 |
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| schestowitz | I have two clients coming | Jul 23 18:28 |
| Snit | I should clean up my home page to focus less on me and more on people's needs... been meaning to for, um, a few years now. :) | Jul 23 18:28 |
| schestowitz | And two people who will help out, they want me to tutor them | Jul 23 18:28 |
| Snit | Looks good... but a bit "template-y" if you know what I mean. Still, there is something to be said for having a fairly common look and feel - people feel comfortable. | Jul 23 18:29 |
| schestowitz | http://prescottcomputerguy.com/blog/ | Jul 23 18:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Prescott Computer Guy Blog .::. Size~: 11.18 KB | Jul 23 18:30 |
| Snit | Where with my site I have a small bear fixing parenthesis... might make people get a bit confused. :) | Jul 23 18:30 |
| schestowitz | So you use Linux and FOSS (WP) | Jul 23 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Yet you also mock it | Jul 23 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Pick your sides | Jul 23 18:30 |
| Snit | BRB... on phone | Jul 23 18:30 |
| schestowitz | That's a Linux GUI too | Jul 23 18:30 |
| schestowitz | It's called WordPress, it's a GUI layer made of HTML | Jul 23 18:30 |
| schestowitz | XHTML actually | Jul 23 18:30 |
| schestowitz | and JS | Jul 23 18:30 |
| schestowitz | "<meta name="generator" content="WordPress 3.2" />" | Jul 23 18:31 |
| schestowitz | You're out of date | Jul 23 18:32 |
| schestowitz | There;'s a hosting bug patch | Jul 23 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Not security related though | Jul 23 18:32 |
| Snit | Ok, back | Jul 23 18:33 |
| Snit | Wait... what are you talking about/ | Jul 23 18:34 |
| Snit | A Linux GUI? | Jul 23 18:34 |
| Snit | My comment about the parenthesis? | Jul 23 18:34 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/palmerv0r/status/94786589540093952 | Jul 23 18:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @palmerv0r: @lgladdy @ohnorosco China is the world's superpower, The US has already defaulted on the debt and China now owns the nation. | Jul 23 18:34 |
| schestowitz | How true | Jul 23 18:34 |
| schestowitz | China will probably buy US estate | Jul 23 18:35 |
| schestowitz | And then rent to people the houses they once owned | Jul 23 18:35 |
| schestowitz | That's my opinion anyway, as I explained to a friend last night (who has a mortgage to worry about) | Jul 23 18:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] if the #Murdochs lie to the MPs on the select committee, what makes anyone believe they don't lie to MPs over everything else? #NOTW | Jul 23 18:35 | |
| Snit | Schestowitz: I think you misunderstood my comment about the parenthesis. I was talking about my site... the graphic at the top. | Jul 23 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Nothing about the content | Jul 23 18:35 |
| schestowitz | Page source | Jul 23 18:36 |
| Snit | On my site or yours? | Jul 23 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Your wordpress install is out of date | Jul 23 18:36 |
| Snit | Ah, yes... I should update it. | Jul 23 18:36 |
| Snit | and I like Wordpress... running on a Linux server. | Jul 23 18:36 |
| schestowitz | I've been a wordpress hacker (not cracker) since 2004, I saw that quickly | Jul 23 18:36 |
| Snit | Think it is great | Jul 23 18:36 |
| schestowitz | it has a GI | Jul 23 18:36 |
| schestowitz | GI | Jul 23 18:36 |
| schestowitz | GUI | Jul 23 18:36 |
| schestowitz | Called WordPress | Jul 23 18:36 |
| MinceR | GUI Joe | Jul 23 18:36 |
| schestowitz | And it keeps getting more user-friendly yet versatile | Jul 23 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Drupal too | Jul 23 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Plasma is also a GUI | Jul 23 18:37 |
| Snit | Have not used Drupal much either. | Jul 23 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Based on similar APIs | Jul 23 18:37 |
| Snit | Or I should say "much". | Jul 23 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Similar to Apple's implementation although Apple imitated Linux | Jul 23 18:37 |
| Snit | Well, hardly an expert in WordPress either. | Jul 23 18:37 |
| schestowitz | Linux is a kernel | Jul 23 18:37 |
| Snit | Imitated Linux with what? | Jul 23 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Android is an OS | Jul 23 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Linux is a kernel | Jul 23 18:38 |
| schestowitz | WordPress is an App | Jul 23 18:38 |
| Snit | Yes. | Jul 23 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Linux is a kernel | Jul 23 18:38 |
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| Snit | Are you talking to me or is there someone else in the room who I do not see? | Jul 23 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Apache is a powerful framework that serves pages very weell | Jul 23 18:38 |
| schestowitz | *Well | Jul 23 18:38 |
| schestowitz | The kernel is also very good for my work that I am paid for | Jul 23 18:38 |
| Snit | I have no problem with that. | Jul 23 18:38 |
| Snit | You claim I should "pick sides" - as though I should support Linux all or nothing | Jul 23 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Which may sometimes include doing sites for people, yet you dismiss it in a way that makes you look like a technophob | Jul 23 18:39 |
| schestowitz | *e | Jul 23 18:39 |
| Snit | Where I find it excellent in many areas but lacking in others. | Jul 23 18:39 |
| schestowitz | My point was, you use Linux | Jul 23 18:39 |
| Snit | Sure I do. Of course. | Jul 23 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Yet you troll a Linux newsgroup | Jul 23 18:39 |
| Snit | Huh? | Jul 23 18:39 |
| schestowitz | That's like gay priests preaching hatred against gays | Jul 23 18:39 |
| Snit | I think Linux is great on routers and servers and developers desktops (at least some), etc. | Jul 23 18:40 |
| schestowitz | Right. | Jul 23 18:40 |
| schestowitz | It's not a desktop | Jul 23 18:40 |
| Snit | You seem to think I am against Linux or something... when I am not. | Jul 23 18:40 |
| schestowitz | It's a kernel | Jul 23 18:40 |
| schestowitz | And you're fine using it a lot | Jul 23 18:40 |
| Snit | Sure. | Jul 23 18:40 |
| Snit | No argument here. | Jul 23 18:40 |
| schestowitz | If you have a problem with KDE or GNOME, take it to them | Jul 23 18:40 |
| schestowitz | They're not Linux | Jul 23 18:40 |
| schestowitz | KDE can run on Windows and OS X | Jul 23 18:40 |
| Snit | I am not a kernel person (know little of them) but the Linux kernel seems fine and serves my needs very well in multiple settings. | Jul 23 18:40 |
| schestowitz | and KDE on Windows would still be better than the restricted Windows default, which is a shell Microsoft forces on people | Jul 23 18:41 |
| Snit | Well, in COLA I mostly talk about *desktop* Linux... | Jul 23 18:41 |
| schestowitz | there is no "desktop Linux" | Jul 23 18:41 |
| Snit | which is the main topic there anyway. And what Linus cares about most (or cared - he might now include tablets and smart phones and other consumer devices - would make sense). | Jul 23 18:41 |
| schestowitz | there is no desktop scheduler for Linux, either | Jul 23 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | There are Free DEs | Jul 23 18:41 |
| schestowitz | There is no "Linux kernel" either | Jul 23 18:42 |
| Snit | You might not like the term, but sure there is. Ubuntu, for example, is a desktop Linux. | Jul 23 18:42 |
| schestowitz | It's just Linux | Jul 23 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Linux is a kernel | Jul 23 18:42 |
| Snit | Right/ | Jul 23 18:42 |
| schestowitz | And it's the kernel of Android | Jul 23 18:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[faither/@faither] Smooth move by !GNOME. So will we get a unified settings application across the desktops at last? !kde | Jul 23 18:42 | |
| schestowitz | The kernel of WebOS | Jul 23 18:42 |
| schestowitz | ...TomTom | Jul 23 18:42 |
| schestowitz | And lots more | Jul 23 18:42 |
| Snit | I was clarrifying to let you know I did not disagree - you seemed to think I did. | Jul 23 18:42 |
| Snit | Which is odd. | Jul 23 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Their GUIs are good | Jul 23 18:42 |
| schestowitz | Palm/HP make a good tablet with it | Jul 23 18:42 |
| Snit | Right: many good GUIs have been made on top of Linux. | Jul 23 18:42 |
| schestowitz | And Linux-based tablets are gaining share, Apple tries to sue them for competitng | Jul 23 18:42 |
| Snit | But let's get back to your accusations about me. :) | Jul 23 18:43 |
| Snit | Phone... | Jul 23 18:43 |
| schestowitz | Which shows that the "Aooke exoeruiebce" is not enough to compete with | Jul 23 18:43 |
| schestowitz | *Apple xperience | Jul 23 18:43 |
| MinceR | i think gnu/linux is great on desktops | Jul 23 18:43 |
| *schestowitz agrees | Jul 23 18:43 | |
| schestowitz | It needs more games built for it | Jul 23 18:43 |
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| schestowitz | graphics performance on Linux is good with the right gear, it just needs companies to make binaries for that (they keep their code proprietary, so only they can do this) | Jul 23 18:44 |
| MinceR | or they could make free drivers | Jul 23 18:45 |
| Snit | My complaints with desktop Linux include things such as a lack of top-level software in many categories (which is not to say there is no good software for desktop Linux!) | Jul 23 18:46 |
| Snit | Also, a lack of a coordinated environment... which means a lot of features cannot be implemented (or implemented well) and you end up having a desktop that follows basic usability guidelines even less well than the competition. | Jul 23 18:47 |
| MinceR | except all the competition is much worse | Jul 23 18:47 |
| MinceR | with no support for operating on windows of frozen apps on one side and no support for maximizing windows on the other, for example | Jul 23 18:48 |
| MinceR | uncontrollable focus stealong on one side, stupid global menu on the other | Jul 23 18:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @mcnalu @x11r5 Easy. Scott Joplin's "The Entertainer". Got any more? | Jul 23 18:49 | |
| Snit | MinceR: How so? Look at OS X with its proxy icons and path from any window and media browser and universal color selector, etc. You do not have these on any desktop distro because of inherent developmental properties. | Jul 23 18:49 |
| MinceR | look at osx with its inability to maximize windows, its lack of support for mouse focus, its forcing the user to move all over the place to reach the menu in a multihead setup | Jul 23 18:49 |
| Snit | OK, I get that you do not like the global menu. And in today's world of large and dual (and more) screens, the research that showed that as being more efficient is outdated. Sure. | Jul 23 18:50 |
| MinceR | also, you'll either have heterogenous toolkits or you'll lock out certain applications | Jul 23 18:50 |
| Snit | I maximize just fine with OS X. | Jul 23 18:50 |
| MinceR | there are portable apps using gtk+, qt, java/swing, tk, many others | Jul 23 18:50 |
| MinceR | funny, the guy i know couldn't maximize | Jul 23 18:50 |
| MinceR | it just resizes the window to whatever size it feels like | Jul 23 18:50 |
| MinceR | as for that research, it was probably misinterpreted in the first place | Jul 23 18:51 |
| Snit | http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/resizing.mov | Jul 23 18:51 |
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| Snit | MinceR: what makes you think that? | Jul 23 18:52 |
| Snit | I mean... wow... are you just going to make things up? | Jul 23 18:52 |
| MinceR | Fitts' Law is usually quoted | Jul 23 18:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @x11r5 @mcnalu Trivia q: what seminal 1902 ragtime hit reached no. 3 On the site | Jul 23 18:52 | |
| MinceR | but people like to ignore that the top-level menu items themselves have a finite width | Jul 23 18:52 |
| MinceR | so you are aiming for something after all | Jul 23 18:52 |
| Snit | Um, no, they are effectively infinite. That is sorta the point. You cannot go above them. | Jul 23 18:53 |
| MinceR | uh, they're infinite in one direction but not in the other | Jul 23 18:53 |
| MinceR | and the mouse just happens to move in two dimensions | Jul 23 18:53 |
| Snit | I used to do UI studies for Intuit. Well, help with them. | Jul 23 18:53 |
| Snit | Hence why corners are important. | Jul 23 18:53 |
| MinceR | sure, you'll hit the menu bar, but not the menu you're looking for | Jul 23 18:53 |
| Snit | I do not follow. You are saying things that are not in contention but not related. | Jul 23 18:54 |
| MinceR | another thing that's overlooked here is the extra time it takes to move to the top of the screen at all | Jul 23 18:54 |
| Snit | It is not like the OS knows what menu you want and has a magnet to pull you there. | Jul 23 18:54 |
| MinceR | of course | Jul 23 18:54 |
| Snit | MinceR: See my comments about larger and multiple screens. | Jul 23 18:54 |
| MinceR | that's why the menu is easier to use if it's closer to the application window | Jul 23 18:54 |
| Snit | Can you point to the study that supports your view? | Jul 23 18:54 |
| MinceR | it applies even with a single small screen | Jul 23 18:55 |
| MinceR | no | Jul 23 18:55 |
| Snit | Have you partaken in any such studies? | Jul 23 18:55 |
| MinceR | i can point to my personal experience | Jul 23 18:55 |
| Snit | MinceR: it is an interesting idea. But the data does not back it. | Jul 23 18:55 |
| MinceR | i can also point to common sense | Jul 23 18:55 |
| MinceR | you're misinterpreting the data | Jul 23 18:55 |
| Snit | Ok, so you have a personal perception that does not match with testable and repeatable data. Which should take precidence? | Jul 23 18:55 |
| MinceR | the user's preference? | Jul 23 18:55 |
| Snit | An interesting claim of yours - but, again, you have no support. | Jul 23 18:55 |
| MinceR | and what support do you have? | Jul 23 18:56 |
| Snit | I would love to see an OS that offers such a preference... but none does well. But, sure, esp. with modern screens that would make sense. | Jul 23 18:56 |
| Snit | I have no problem with it. | Jul 23 18:56 |
| MinceR | actually, gnu/linux already offers it, as some desktop environments can support the global menu as an option, or could at one point | Jul 23 18:56 |
| Snit | I have partaken in studies looking at this and have read multiple studies from others on this very topic. | Jul 23 18:56 |
| schestowitz | KDE can do OS X-style menus | Jul 23 18:56 |
| MinceR | though i prefer the arthur/risc os way, which is very rarely seen | Jul 23 18:57 |
| schestowitz | It gives choice | Jul 23 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Mac OS X does not | Jul 23 18:57 |
| schestowitz | That's why it's behind | Jul 23 18:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] maybe @x11r5 was just looking for someone who could answer its question, @davidmarsden | Jul 23 18:57 | |
| Snit | Though, as I keep saying, they are outdated in my view given the current screen sizes | Jul 23 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Sam for focus policies and just about anything where the user should be given more control to suit the workflow (people work differently, not like Jobs) | Jul 23 18:57 |
| MinceR | another way in which the gnu/linux desktop is ages ahead of all others is its mature support for virtual desktops | Jul 23 18:57 |
| Snit | Ah, so you look at this choice and make that conclusion... and not at the overall focus on usability. Ok. | Jul 23 18:57 |
| MinceR | well, if crApple claims an overall focus on usability, i call bullshit | Jul 23 18:57 |
| Snit | Jobs require different work, too. Not sure what you mean by that. | Jul 23 18:58 |
| schestowitz | usability is not "less choice" | Jul 23 18:58 |
| Snit | MinceR: calling things names does no diminish them... though it does mke you look bad. | Jul 23 18:58 |
| MinceR | they got too many things wrong to be all snooty about it | Jul 23 18:58 |
| schestowitz | Removing what the user actually WANTS is not usability | Jul 23 18:58 |
| schestowitz | It's tyranny | Jul 23 18:58 |
| Snit | Usability is also not "more choice". Sure. | Jul 23 18:58 |
| MinceR | Snit: no, the RDF makes me look bad. | Jul 23 18:58 |
| MinceR | actually, it's an aspect of usability | Jul 23 18:58 |
| Snit | And desktop Linux lacks many, many choices. As I have noted. | Jul 23 18:58 |
| MinceR | sure, and osx and winblows lack even more choices | Jul 23 18:58 |
| Snit | MinceR: what? You are the one posting these things. Do not blame others. | Jul 23 18:59 |
| schestowitz | what's desktop Linux? GNONE? | Jul 23 18:59 |
| schestowitz | *ME | Jul 23 18:59 |
| Snit | I am not going to debate with you what desktop Linux is. I mean, really... let us not play silly games. | Jul 23 18:59 |
| schestowitz | KDE is still more powerful and versatile than GNOME | Jul 23 18:59 |
| Snit | Lovely. | Jul 23 18:59 |
| schestowitz | No, you need to be specific | Jul 23 18:59 |
| schestowitz | You said "desktop Linux" | Jul 23 18:59 |
| Snit | But how is it relevant. | Jul 23 18:59 |
| schestowitz | There is no such thing | Jul 23 18:59 |
| schestowitz | Linux is not a desktop | Jul 23 18:59 |
| MinceR | how is what relevant? | Jul 23 19:00 |
| schestowitz | It's just a program that connects to hardware | Jul 23 19:00 |
| Snit | Well, then, pick a desktop Linux distro and we can be specific with it. Sounds great to me. | Jul 23 19:00 |
| Snit | But to pretend you do not even know what is meant - I mean, come on, that is silly. | Jul 23 19:00 |
| MinceR | most distros can use most desktop environments and most major window managers | Jul 23 19:00 |
| Snit | MinceR: right! | Jul 23 19:00 |
| Snit | So? | Jul 23 19:00 |
| MinceR | so what you're trying to make seem so relevant isn't | Jul 23 19:00 |
| schestowitz | say what it cannot achieve | Jul 23 19:00 |
| Snit | MinceR: I think you are a bit lost on the conversation. | Jul 23 19:01 |
| schestowitz | funactionality | Jul 23 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Don't say "it can't run iTunes" | Jul 23 19:01 |
| MinceR | Snit: i think you're lost on the conversation | Jul 23 19:01 |
| Snit | Ok, again, some things it cannot achieve. | Jul 23 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Brands don't matter | Jul 23 19:01 |
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| MinceR | another thing osx cannot achieve: bring one window of an application to front while leaving the others in their place | Jul 23 19:02 |
| Snit | No distro I can find has anything like proxy icons, path from any folder, media browser, universal color selector, universal font grouping, PDF services, system services.. etc. | Jul 23 19:02 |
| schestowitz | KDE does that. Next....? | Jul 23 19:02 |
| MinceR | and a random usability issue in osx: windowless applications | Jul 23 19:02 |
| MinceR | Snit: what are those things? | Jul 23 19:02 |
| Snit | MinceR: where the heck did you get that idea? That was true of OS 9 before 2000! But *never* true of OS X. | Jul 23 19:03 |
| MinceR | most toolkits provide a universal color selector | Jul 23 19:03 |
| MinceR | Snit: from trying osx out and from reading about it | Jul 23 19:03 |
| Snit | MinceR: let's take them one at a time... but focus... I cannot keep up with multiple conversations at once. | Jul 23 19:03 |
| Snit | MinceR: point me to a *distro* with a universal color selector ... has to work in the vast majority of software included with the distro (notice I did not even say all). | Jul 23 19:04 |
| *MinceR points at any distro which focuses on one desktop environment | Jul 23 19:04 | |
| MinceR | say, ubuntu | Jul 23 19:04 |
| MinceR | and i'll assume meant "vast majority of GUI software" | Jul 23 19:05 |
| Snit | MinceR: show me anything in writing which says you cannot pull a single window forward. That is just absurd. And if you have such little experience with it you do not know better than you know essentially nothing of OS X. | Jul 23 19:05 |
| Snit | Yes... GUI software. | Jul 23 19:05 |
| Snit | Hold on... let me loud Ubuntu now. Let's look at the color selectors. | Jul 23 19:05 |
| MinceR | then again, stuff like kcolorchooser lets you copy and paste even into command lines | Jul 23 19:05 |
| MinceR | ubuntu uses the gtk+ color selector | Jul 23 19:06 |
| Snit | Give me a couple minutes to take some screen shots for you and upload them. | Jul 23 19:06 |
| MinceR | http://changedmy.name/2011/03/24/on-the-inconsistency-of-the-osx-focus-model.html | Jul 23 19:06 |
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| MinceR | it's even worse than i thought :> | Jul 23 19:07 |
| Snit | Here: on the color selector on OS X: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZJPGTf9t8w | Jul 23 19:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Using the Color Picker in OS X (shown in Pages) - YouTube .::. Size~: 126.11 KB | Jul 23 19:07 |
| Snit | A bit outdated... but so be it. | Jul 23 19:07 |
| Snit | Sigh.. off to look at your link - have yet to get to Ubuntu. | Jul 23 19:07 |
| MinceR | do java/swing apps use that color picker? | Jul 23 19:07 |
| MinceR | do flash apps use that color picker? | Jul 23 19:07 |
| MinceR | do webapps use that color picker? | Jul 23 19:07 |
| MinceR | does osx come with a rootless x server, btw? | Jul 23 19:08 |
| Snit | Would have to test... | Jul 23 19:08 |
| MinceR | they almost certainly don't use it | Jul 23 19:08 |
| Snit | Pretty much all OS X software used it. Hence "universal". Apps can opt to make their own, but users do not stand for that. | Jul 23 19:08 |
| MinceR | in GUIs, you get to choose one of uniformity and support for a wide set of applications. | Jul 23 19:09 |
| Snit | Anyway, off to go look at Ubuntu. | Jul 23 19:09 |
| MinceR | just like pretty much all GTK+ software use the GTK+ color chooser | Jul 23 19:09 |
| MinceR | and just like pretty much all KDE applications use the KDE color chooser | Jul 23 19:10 |
| Snit | gedit does not even use a color picker - you pick from preselected colors. | Jul 23 19:10 |
| *schestowitz doesn't champion gnome | Jul 23 19:11 | |
| MinceR | don't you mean preselected color schemes? | Jul 23 19:11 |
| schestowitz | http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2011/05/29/from-kde3-to-kde4/ | Jul 23 19:11 |
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| Snit | LibreOffice also has a very limited set of options to pick from. | Jul 23 19:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] A great singer tragically lost: Amy Winehouse, you deserved so much more happiness. RIP http://is.gd/AZmnfE | Jul 23 19:12 | |
| *schestowitz off to make coffee http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2011/05/16/tray-as-a-cupholder/ | Jul 23 19:12 | |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jul 23 19:12 |
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| MinceR | afaik LibreOffice still tries to be toolkit-independent, doing many things on their own | Jul 23 19:12 |
| MinceR | a lot like the mozilla applications | Jul 23 19:12 |
| Snit | And LibreOffice Draw is different than its word processor! | Jul 23 19:12 |
| MinceR | and of course OOo | Jul 23 19:12 |
| Snit | So where do I find this universal color selector for Ubuntu that no app seems to use? | Jul 23 19:13 |
| Snit | LOL! | Jul 23 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Amy whitehouse dead | Jul 23 19:13 |
| schestowitz | And it's important cause she's 'famous' | Jul 23 19:13 |
| schestowitz | White house | Jul 23 19:13 |
| MinceR | for example, in gnumeric (of gnome office), set background color for a cell: custom color | Jul 23 19:13 |
| schestowitz | Alcohol issues | Jul 23 19:13 |
| Snit | Even TextEdit... the gedit of OS X... lets you use the system color selector. Including access to all the color selection tools, swatches, plugins, etc. | Jul 23 19:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @ghostdancer When a Muslim commits terror, every Muslim in the world somehow shares responsibility. When it's a white Christian, he's ... | Jul 23 19:14 | |
| MinceR | same thing in abiword | Jul 23 19:14 |
| MinceR | what if you run LO, OOo or firefox on osx? | Jul 23 19:14 |
| MinceR | what if you run gimp on osx? | Jul 23 19:15 |
| MinceR | also, do you really think osx can guarantee that no application can implement its own color chooser? | Jul 23 19:15 |
| Snit | Of course OS X does not guarantee that. What a goofy thing for you to ask (no offense)... but it is silly! | Jul 23 19:16 |
| MinceR | so osx does not in fact do what you claimed it did | Jul 23 19:16 |
| MinceR | next please. | Jul 23 19:16 |
| Snit | Huh? OS X does what I said it does. | Jul 23 19:17 |
| MinceR | i'll ask again | Jul 23 19:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @alextootchie: RT @smashpop: Nokia N9 Sample Photos And Video | discovrpOp http://is.gd/wpDvfb #N9 #MeeGo | Jul 23 19:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @quimgil GNU Chess 6 isn't available for MeeGo Harmattan yet it seems. Any volunteer willing to package it? #EASYFIX http://sgp.cm/36e053 | Jul 23 19:17 | |
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| MinceR | do all of gimp, LO, OOo and firefox use the same color selector on osx as that video shows? | Jul 23 19:17 |
| Snit | You are now just running... you have no counter so you just deny. Like the BS about OS X not letting you pull windows forward. Just made up gibberish from a version of Mac OS from a decade ago. | Jul 23 19:17 |
| Snit | I mean, really... | Jul 23 19:17 |
| MinceR | and now, the victory speech from the crApple fanboy | Jul 23 19:17 |
| Snit | Firefox I am sure does... but let me double check. | Jul 23 19:18 |
| MinceR | you didn't even answer most of the issues | Jul 23 19:18 |
| MinceR | oh wow, one of them do | Jul 23 19:18 |
| MinceR | btw, why not check if gedit on osx uses the coveted osx color selector? :> | Jul 23 19:18 |
| Snit | I do not have all of these installed - but why would I? | Jul 23 19:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @bobduffy: RT @aidandelaney: #Meego app design guidelines http://intel.ly/pjm6vw | Jul 23 19:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @bobduffy: RT @mommyblogfeed: Netbooks For Back To School And What’s Up With Intel AppUp http://j.mp/nO7hoR #mommyblog | Jul 23 19:19 | |
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| Snit | Why compare standard apps on Linux with anything but the standard apps on OS X. | Jul 23 19:19 |
| Snit | Unless you are trying to push your bias? | Jul 23 19:19 |
| MinceR | i'm not trying to push a bias, i'm trying to point out that what you claimed osx does is in fact not true | Jul 23 19:19 |
| Snit | In other words you are trying to make an incorrect statement. Got it. | Jul 23 19:19 |
| MinceR | for any color chooser, you can select a subset of applications that only use them | Jul 23 19:19 |
| MinceR | so you don't understand english. got it. | Jul 23 19:20 |
| Snit | Please stop being silly: OS X has a universal color selector - it is used by all software that ships with OS X and almost all native software. | Jul 23 19:20 |
| Snit | This is not the case for Ubuntu. | Jul 23 19:20 |
| Snit | This is not a debatable concept... it is simply the facts. | Jul 23 19:21 |
| MinceR | well, many gnu/linux distros also conform to that criterion | Jul 23 19:21 |
| Snit | You claim to disagree, but you make it clear you come from a place of ignorance - your BS about wanting to use non-standard apps on OS X shows this, as do your complaints which are more than a decade out of date (not being able to pull windows forward) | Jul 23 19:21 |
| Snit | OK, so point to one! | Jul 23 19:21 |
| MinceR | ubuntu server, for example | Jul 23 19:22 |
| Snit | Ubuntu failed horribly. | Jul 23 19:22 |
| MinceR | try to re-read that line again | Jul 23 19:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] !LO ♺ @sixgun: Just released Linux Outlaws 219 - Summer LULZ: http://sixgun.org/linuxoutlaws/219 -- includes Fab's review of the Xoom | Jul 23 19:22 | |
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| Snit | Wait: are you saying Ubuntu *Server* is a desktop distro? | Jul 23 19:22 |
| MinceR | no, i'm saying it's a gnu/linux distro | Jul 23 19:22 |
| Snit | Or are you changing the topic? | Jul 23 19:22 |
| MinceR | i'm not changing the topic | Jul 23 19:22 |
| Snit | Ah, just leaving the topic of desktop distro behind... because your example there failed you. Got it. | Jul 23 19:23 |
| schestowitz | <Snit> Please stop being silly: OS X has a universal color selector - it is used by all software that ships with OS X and almost all native software. < /s/OS X/KDE/ | Jul 23 19:23 |
| Snit | KDE is not a desktop distro! | Jul 23 19:23 |
| MinceR | Snit: if you stopped trying to claim victory on childish bases every moment and tried to understand what i'm telling you... | Jul 23 19:23 |
| Snit | I mean, really, did you not know that? | Jul 23 19:24 |
| schestowitz | 0_0 | Jul 23 19:24 |
| schestowitz | )-o | Jul 23 19:24 |
| MinceR | what now? | Jul 23 19:24 |
| MinceR | who said KDE was a desktop distro? | Jul 23 19:24 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Jul 23 19:24 |
| Snit | That is like saying all Adobe software uses X so it is the same as all of a desktop system. Silly and disingenuous. | Jul 23 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Ewww... | Jul 23 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Adobe ... | Jul 23 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Use Okular | Jul 23 19:24 |
| schestowitz | It's better | Jul 23 19:24 |
| Snit | MinceR: Schestowitz compared it to a full system. It was a silly comparison | Jul 23 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Lighter | Jul 23 19:24 |
| schestowitz | More reliable | Jul 23 19:24 |
| MinceR | i don't think all adobe software uses X | Jul 23 19:24 |
| schestowitz | consistent UI | Jul 23 19:24 |
| schestowitz | drag and drop etc. | Jul 23 19:25 |
| Snit | You can add Olkular to the OS X color slector. | Jul 23 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Why use Adobe's junk? | Jul 23 19:25 |
| MinceR | sure, the gnu/linux versions of the few things they do port | Jul 23 19:25 |
| Snit | BRB | Jul 23 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Okular also supports annottaions and stuff | Jul 23 19:25 |
| MinceR | i guess kubuntu would have been a better example anyway | Jul 23 19:25 |
| schestowitz | Adobe's stuff is not part of KDE and KDE does not need it. | Jul 23 19:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] @greve some glossies and tv programs had mentioned it could happen one day, but I am sure they never thought it would. unfortunate | Jul 23 19:25 | |
| schestowitz | Its default PDF handler is okular | Jul 23 19:25 |
| MinceR | there's less of a push for minimal functionality there | Jul 23 19:25 |
| MinceR | or at least was | Jul 23 19:25 |
| schestowitz | use a KDE-based distro | Jul 23 19:25 |
| Snit | I have looked at them in the past, but can do so again. Maybe they have improved, | Jul 23 19:26 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: but he's then say only one distro does this | Jul 23 19:26 |
| Snit | Kubuntu work for you? | Jul 23 19:26 |
| schestowitz | When in fact one can reassue that hundreds that come with KDE do | Jul 23 19:26 |
| schestowitz | I don't know about other DEs, as I only rarely use them | Jul 23 19:26 |
| Snit | I will try it before our interview and we can discuss how correct your view of it is. | Jul 23 19:26 |
| schestowitz | to the extent where I check all their options | Jul 23 19:27 |
| Snit | I suspect it will be quite inconsistent in many areas... | Jul 23 19:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @ghostdancer When a Muslim commits terror, every Muslim in the world somehow shares responsibility. When it's a white Christian, he's ... | Jul 23 19:27 | |
| Snit | but I will first focus on color selection | Jul 23 19:27 |
| *schestowitz uses kubuntu right now | Jul 23 19:27 | |
| schestowitz | Can change theme in ALL running apps | Jul 23 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Consistentyly | Jul 23 19:27 |
| schestowitz | Plasma theme, browser (Konq), Konversation.. | Jul 23 19:27 |
| MinceR | funny thing, osx doesn't let you change themes at all, without third-party apps | Jul 23 19:27 |
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| Snit | downloading now | Jul 23 19:27 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: LOL | Jul 23 19:27 |
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| MinceR | but they graciously allow you to change the color of selected text | Jul 23 19:28 |
| schestowitz | I thought so.. | Jul 23 19:28 |
| MinceR | i laughed when i tried it | Jul 23 19:28 |
| schestowitz | In OS 9 it wasn't like that | Jul 23 19:28 |
| Snit | MinceR: not 100% true, but pretty close (pretty much a nit to call you wrong, so, sure, you are right) | Jul 23 19:28 |
| schestowitz | I can recall playing with many Mac OS 9 themes | Jul 23 19:28 |
| schestowitz | And they were part of the eMac | Jul 23 19:28 |
| schestowitz | No payware needed | Jul 23 19:28 |
| MinceR | as for consistency, one of the osx versions used randomly the white or the brushed-metal look for windows | Jul 23 19:28 |
| schestowitz | So Apple just further retartdefd the OS since.. | Jul 23 19:28 |
| Snit | Schestowitz: those were third party, too. Kaleidoscope was the big name in that area. | Jul 23 19:28 |
| MinceR | even within one application | Jul 23 19:28 |
| MinceR | even in the finder! | Jul 23 19:28 |
| MinceR | none of GTK+ or Qt or Tk or Swing did that | Jul 23 19:29 |
| Snit | MinceR: while there were problems with that, can you show where that was a usability problem? | Jul 23 19:29 |
| MinceR | i suppose it can be a usability problem where the mouse having more than one button can be a usability problem | Jul 23 19:29 |
| Snit | I am happy, however, that Apple stopped that... and got rid of the ugly pin striping. | Jul 23 19:29 |
| schestowitz | what's with your "usability" schtick? | Jul 23 19:29 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: crApple fans like to go "usability, usability, usability" without knowing what it means. | Jul 23 19:30 |
| Snit | Huh? What mouse has one button? Are you going back 10 years again? Wait... even OS 9 supported multibutton mice | Jul 23 19:30 |
| schestowitz | it's like "freedom" to FSFers | Jul 23 19:30 |
| MinceR | Snit: the original crApple mouse and most of its successors | Jul 23 19:30 |
| MinceR | and yes, they claimed it's because of a study | Jul 23 19:30 |
| MinceR | you said you like studies | Jul 23 19:30 |
| schestowitz | OS 9 had one button | Jul 23 19:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fabsh/@fabsh] @rrix It's servercraft.co -- they are running Xen on Ubuntu, AFAICT. | Jul 23 19:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Blue Oyster Cult - (Don't Fear) The Reaper http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ClQcUyhoxT | Jul 23 19:30 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 404 Not Found | Jul 23 19:30 |
| schestowitz | In the Mac I had at work | Jul 23 19:30 |
| schestowitz | One mighty button | Jul 23 19:30 |
| schestowitz | The whole mouse was just a button | Jul 23 19:30 |
| Snit | Nope. OS 9 supported mutliple buttons. You are simply wrong. | Jul 23 19:30 |
| schestowitz | No scroller | Jul 23 19:30 |
| schestowitz | No second and third button | Jul 23 19:31 |
| Snit | Ah, now you have moved to hardware that came with it. Got it. | Jul 23 19:31 |
| schestowitz | My current mouse in Linux also does sidewats scrolling | Jul 23 19:31 |
| MinceR | Snit: once more, i'm not talking about what the software supports, i'm talking about what the hardware they handed their users supports | Jul 23 19:31 |
| schestowitz | So it had7 signals | Jul 23 19:31 |
| MinceR | and why | Jul 23 19:31 |
| Snit | Linux does not make mice! | Jul 23 19:31 |
| schestowitz | *has 7 | Jul 23 19:31 |
| Snit | brb | Jul 23 19:31 |
| schestowitz | And that's a fairly standard mouse | Jul 23 19:31 |
| MinceR | most X Window toolkits (starting from Xt) make use of 3 mouse buttons by default | Jul 23 19:31 |
| Snit | My mouse has 8. I win! :) | Jul 23 19:31 |
| Snit | Mx518 | Jul 23 19:32 |
| MinceR | i have a G9x | Jul 23 19:32 |
| Snit | Logitech makes great mice | Jul 23 19:32 |
| MinceR | indeed | Jul 23 19:32 |
| Snit | I do use a third party driver... SteerMouse | Jul 23 19:32 |
| MinceR | i use the driver that comes with X | Jul 23 19:32 |
| Snit | Makes it so I can program the mouse differently for each program | Jul 23 19:33 |
| Snit | That way my "next" and "prev" buttons work as next and prev tabs or messages or whatever... and my middle mouse button is set differently for a lot of programs. | Jul 23 19:33 |
| Snit | Mostly show and hide stuff... but the details of what that means change from program to program | Jul 23 19:34 |
| Snit | Actually, had one wear out - so I just got a new one yesterday. | Jul 23 19:34 |
| Snit | Though by the time it came I had cleaned out the old one and the buttons now all work... so maybe I could have saved $35. So be it. | Jul 23 19:34 |
| Snit | Anyway, shall we move to proxy icons and path in the title bar? | Jul 23 19:35 |
| MinceR | sure | Jul 23 19:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] "I've got a fever... and the only prescription is 'more cowbell'" - !q Christopher 'Bruce' Walken http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uKV3iCOlOMw | Jul 23 19:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Amy Winehouse is brown bread. | Jul 23 19:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] #GNOME 3 is growing on me. You have to give it about a month or so. | Jul 23 19:35 | |
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| Snit | I am told Kubuntu will give me a universal color selector and, presumably, relative consistency (not looking for perfection, but it should at least get the basics right - no mixing of "Quit" and "Exit" for example) | Jul 23 19:35 |
| schestowitz | alt+F4 is universal | Jul 23 19:36 |
| Snit | Ok, first: do you have any idea what a proxy icon is? | Jul 23 19:36 |
| schestowitz | I know | Jul 23 19:36 |
| schestowitz | you can drag the icon of open document to move it around | Jul 23 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Rather than save as | Jul 23 19:36 |
| schestowitz | and hold down the 'Apple' 'key | Jul 23 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Silly and hidden | Jul 23 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Cause it's silly | Jul 23 19:37 |
| Snit | Is there anything similar on Linux... where I can drag the current document from its window to, say, an email message or the desktop? | Jul 23 19:37 |
| MinceR | drag-and-drop saving, like in risc os? that's nice | Jul 23 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it's better left as hidden | Jul 23 19:37 |
| schestowitz | And how many apps open windows per file? | Jul 23 19:37 |
| MinceR | i think only ROX Desktop supports that, sadly | Jul 23 19:37 |
| MinceR | it is their main mode of saving, though | Jul 23 19:37 |
| schestowitz | Maybe for Office users | Jul 23 19:37 |
| Snit | Great for images, office docs, videos... pretty much anything. | Jul 23 19:37 |
| Snit | Anything you might want to email, move or make a link to. | Jul 23 19:37 |
| schestowitz | you can drag files into mail clients | Jul 23 19:38 |
| Snit | Yes. | Jul 23 19:38 |
| schestowitz | treating a window as a file assumes a weird way of working | Jul 23 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Kate does not correspond to a file | Jul 23 19:38 |
| schestowitz | It has a set of giles | Jul 23 19:38 |
| schestowitz | In tabs | Jul 23 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Or in a list of documents | Jul 23 19:38 |
| Snit | Same with some OS X programs. | Jul 23 19:38 |
| schestowitz | The corresponding file dialogue supports drag and drop | Jul 23 19:38 |
| Snit | So how do you drag that file - from its tab - to an email message? | Jul 23 19:38 |
| MinceR | often you can just drag the tab | Jul 23 19:39 |
| schestowitz | it sends the location to the program | Jul 23 19:39 |
| Snit | Hey, pet peeve of OS X Lion - they *took away* the ability to drag and drop in save and open dialogs. Unbelievably stupid decision. | Jul 23 19:39 |
| schestowitz | file manager/mail program/etc | Jul 23 19:39 |
| MinceR | or an object in a window, such as an image | Jul 23 19:39 |
| Snit | Location of the *program* or the file? | Jul 23 19:39 |
| MinceR | there was a page on osx usability issues somewhere | Jul 23 19:39 |
| schestowitz | And they can interpet this as "attach" or give dialogue for "copy"/"move/"cancel" | Jul 23 19:39 |
| Snit | Schestowitz: can you show me a reference to this so I can learn more about it... or make a quick video? And how universal is it? | Jul 23 19:40 |
| schestowitz | if your window corresponds to a file, you must be doing something wrong or using GIMP | Jul 23 19:40 |
| schestowitz | You want to group files under windows | Jul 23 19:40 |
| schestowitz | and then have a lister of open file | Jul 23 19:40 |
| schestowitz | Which in KDE would be a kpart | Jul 23 19:41 |
| schestowitz | and you can do whatever you want with that | Jul 23 19:41 |
| Snit | Dreamweaver and Photoshop have tabs... but you can still use the proxy icon. | Jul 23 19:41 |
| schestowitz | drag and drop support has been expansive in KDE for a decade | Jul 23 19:41 |
| Snit | Schestowitz: can you show me a reference to this so I can learn more about it... or make a quick video? And how universal is it? | Jul 23 19:41 |
| MinceR | not what i looked for, but still insightful >> http://mac.elated.com/2008/08/14/10-usability-lows-of-mac-os-x/ | Jul 23 19:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 10 usability lows of Mac OS X -- Reality Distortion: Macs, Mac OS X, and Apple stuff .::. Size~: 76.11 KB | Jul 23 19:41 |
| schestowitz | I can't make a video now | Jul 23 19:41 |
| schestowitz | I am not inclined to pollute my channel with it, either | Jul 23 19:42 |
| Snit | MinceR: before I even click on that - does it deal with the topic here of proxy icons or are you changing topics? | Jul 23 19:42 |
| MinceR | it does deal with open/save dialogs | Jul 23 19:42 |
| MinceR | which you mentioned | Jul 23 19:42 |
| Snit | Pollute? With an educational film about Linux? Huh? | Jul 23 19:42 |
| MinceR | so accuse yourself of changing topics | Jul 23 19:42 |
| Snit | MinceR: actually Roy did. | Jul 23 19:42 |
| MinceR | 204349 < Snit> Hey, pet peeve of OS X Lion - they *took away* the ability to drag and drop in save and open dialogs. Unbelievably stupid decision. | Jul 23 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Snit: I was planning to do some research tonight | Jul 23 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Until 2am | Jul 23 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Snit: tell you what, when the time is right I might do a little series on KDE tips | Jul 23 19:43 |
| Snit | BRB | Jul 23 19:44 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/user/schestowitz | Jul 23 19:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: schestowitz's Channel - YouTube .::. Size~: 98.6 KB | Jul 23 19:44 |
| MinceR | http://www.techenclave.com/operating-systems/must-read-mac-os-x-flaws-128354.html | Jul 23 19:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Must Read - Mac OS X Flaws : Not User Friendly! .::. Size~: 135.12 KB | Jul 23 19:47 |
| schestowitz | Must be a long article :-) | Jul 23 19:47 |
| *schestowitz doesn't click | Jul 23 19:47 | |
| MinceR | it is | Jul 23 19:48 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Jul 23 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Many flaws | Jul 23 19:48 |
| Snit | Ok, back... sorry... had a call | Jul 23 19:48 |
| MinceR | in fact it's not the original source | Jul 23 19:48 |
| MinceR | but the original source seems to be down | Jul 23 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Apple unleashed the LA police on the original :-) | Jul 23 19:48 |
| schestowitz | !google applesecret shut down | Jul 23 19:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Apple's Secret Weapon Against Amazon | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/20/apple_n_880566.html | Jul 23 19:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Is Apple's secret SIM plan dead? Plus Googley-eyed at Groupon and ... | http://blogs.siliconvalley.com/gmsv/2010/11/is-apples-secret-sim-plan-dead-plus-googley-eyed-at-groupon-and-more.html | Jul 23 19:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Apple's Secret Cloud Weapon Is Already Inside Your Phone ... | http://technews.am/conversations/gizmodo-us/apples_secret_cloud_weapon_is_already_inside_your_phone | Jul 23 19:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Apple's secret location tracker: An "ominous development" - Apple ... | http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2011/04/21/apple_tracking_implications | Jul 23 19:48 |
| Snit | If you are looking to have me say OS X is perfect I will not... I do not support the status quo. | Jul 23 19:49 |
| schestowitz | or was it called Mac Secrets? | Jul 23 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Around 2007 it shut down, I think after threats | Jul 23 19:49 |
| Snit | That is what I argue against - the support of the status quo of Linux (in COLA). | Jul 23 19:49 |
| Snit | desktop Linux could grow to have the best of both worlds. | Jul 23 19:49 |
| Snit | BRb | Jul 23 19:49 |
| MinceR | good to know | Jul 23 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Snit: you go as far as trolling a Linux forum (COLA) to extol the virtues you now doubt of Mac 0SUX | Jul 23 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Android is becoming a desktop Linux distro | Jul 23 19:50 |
| schestowitz | It already takes good share in some non-phone merchandise | Jul 23 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Chrome OS is still an experiment | Jul 23 19:51 |
| MinceR | android is getting GNU? | Jul 23 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Testing to see if there are Apple-like drones willing to buy machines without "Apple" logos on them | Jul 23 19:51 |
| schestowitz | So far the findings suggest that hardly any | Jul 23 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Although it seems like good seller on Amazon (Samsung chromebook) | Jul 23 19:52 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: hehe | Jul 23 19:52 |
| schestowitz | it's like asking if Jobs is getting cured | Jul 23 19:52 |
| Snit | Schestowitz: what the heck are you talking about? Extol the virtues? Trolling? Now doubting something... what? | Jul 23 19:52 |
| Snit | Really... what do you mean? | Jul 23 19:52 |
| schestowitz | it's a Linux forum | Jul 23 19:52 |
| schestowitz | The L in COLA is Linux | Jul 23 19:53 |
| Snit | Right. | Jul 23 19:53 |
| Snit | So what are you talking about? | Jul 23 19:53 |
| schestowitz | you troll it | Jul 23 19:53 |
| schestowitz | !google wikipedia trolling | Jul 23 19:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Troll (Internet) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(Internet) | Jul 23 19:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Troll (disambiguation) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll_(disambiguation) | Jul 23 19:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Troll - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Troll | Jul 23 19:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Wikipedia - The Art of Trolling: Yahoo Answers, Chatroullette, Omegle | http://artoftrolling.memebase.com/category/wikipedia-2/ | Jul 23 19:53 |
| Snit | All that BS about trolling and doubting and extolling the virtues... | Jul 23 19:53 |
| schestowitz | don't troll. Trollers gonna troll. | Jul 23 19:53 |
| Snit | In other words: I do not worship the status quo. That is "trolling" in your view. | Jul 23 19:53 |
| Snit | Got it. | Jul 23 19:53 |
| Snit | BRB again. Busy/1 | Jul 23 19:53 |
| Snit | Back... ish. | Jul 23 19:54 |
| Snit | So I do not back the status quo of Linux and see where it has some severe weaknesses... and this makes me a "troll" in your view. | Jul 23 19:54 |
| Snit | Even though I speak well of Linux in those places it does well and even on the desktop have brought it to many people | Jul 23 19:55 |
| Snit | And then you think it is fine to make up claims about my views... which is weird. | Jul 23 19:55 |
| Snit | I do not mind disagreement - but please do not make up claims about my views. | Jul 23 19:56 |
| Snit | Ok, I need to run. And it seems you two have left, also... which makes sense. Down to pretty much name calling and making things up. | Jul 23 19:57 |
| MinceR | no, i haven't left | Jul 23 19:58 |
| Snit | Schestowitz: wait... one last question: what is an "apple drone"? | Jul 23 19:58 |
| MinceR | but i have no comments on what you do on usenet, since i don't read usenet | Jul 23 19:58 |
| Snit | Just a derogatory term you like to use for people who appreicate their products? | Jul 23 19:58 |
| Snit | MinceR: fair enough. Thanks. | Jul 23 19:58 |
| Snit | Nor does Roy... he has no comments because he makes accusations and just freezes when asked about them. | Jul 23 19:59 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Jul 23 19:59 |
| MinceR | funny you try to smear people for being silent after a conversation you went "BRB" during on multiple occasions | Jul 23 19:59 |
| MinceR | hay sebsebseb | Jul 23 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Hej | Jul 23 19:59 |
| MinceR | i guess the idea is "Snit goes silent = he's busy. someone else goes silent = Snit wins!" | Jul 23 20:00 |
| Snit | My basic view is that there are many strengths Linux has which make it great for many situations, even on the desktop it has strengths which are unique to it (at least in comparison with OS X and Windows). But it also has a lot of weaknesses on the desktop ... and these need to be acknowledged and addressed if you want desktop Linux to be of great value to many people | Jul 23 20:00 |
| Snit | MinceR: nope. Again, please do not make up things about my views. | Jul 23 20:00 |
| MinceR | here's the point: _every_ deskopt OS has weaknesses | Jul 23 20:01 |
| MinceR | s/opt/top/ | Jul 23 20:01 |
| Snit | When you and Schestowitz simply are making things up about me and about my views, you clearly have no way to counter what I am really saying. | Jul 23 20:01 |
| MinceR | that fact by itself does not make all of them not "ready for the desktop" | Jul 23 20:01 |
| MinceR | that's not at all what happened | Jul 23 20:01 |
| Snit | MinceR: sure... but the ones on desktop Linux are big enough where even though it is free people - in general - do not want it. | Jul 23 20:01 |
| Snit | And that is a pretty big problem if you want to see desktop Linux do well in the world. | Jul 23 20:02 |
| MinceR | most people don't even know about it | Jul 23 20:02 |
| MinceR | thanks to m$'s dirty OEM deals | Jul 23 20:02 |
| MinceR | of course, crApple sells their own PCs so they have a channel in which to push their own OS | Jul 23 20:02 |
| Snit | Sure: even if desktop Linux were to become "good enough" now, it would take time. No doubt. | Jul 23 20:02 |
| Snit | But it is not like Dell and HP and the like have not sold machines with it. | Jul 23 20:02 |
| MinceR | it has been "good enough" for over a decade | Jul 23 20:02 |
| Snit | Nobody owes pushing Linux on people. | Jul 23 20:02 |
| MinceR | dHell only makes a show | Jul 23 20:03 |
| MinceR | SJVN had an article on it | Jul 23 20:03 |
| Snit | MinceR: what is your evidence for this... and why do you have no counter to my list of significant weaknesses (in terms of features, focus, software, etc.) | Jul 23 20:03 |
| MinceR | dHell had at most 3 gnu/linux offers at one time | Jul 23 20:03 |
| MinceR | 3 models, that is | Jul 23 20:04 |
| MinceR | none of them high-end | Jul 23 20:04 |
| Snit | Ok, I need to run... but I look forward to your deep analysis of why those significant weaknesses do not matter in your world. | Jul 23 20:04 |
| MinceR | on a page that was not reachable via links from the main site | Jul 23 20:04 |
| MinceR | SJVN tried to order one and dHell refused to ship them | Jul 23 20:04 |
| MinceR | usually they have 1 or 0 offer, actually | Jul 23 20:04 |
| MinceR | as for your "list", you'll have to define the items properly | Jul 23 20:04 |
| MinceR | most likely all the features are there, you just don't know about them | Jul 23 20:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #FIFA bans Mohamed Bin Hammam for life over attempted bribery claims http://is.gd/dJOjql !football | Jul 23 20:07 | |
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| MinceR | in hungary, even PCs that are generally offered with gnu+linux are only available with winblows | Jul 23 20:07 |
| MinceR | Eee PCs, for example. | Jul 23 20:07 |
| schestowitz | [20:04] <MinceR> SJVN tried to order one and dHell refused to ship them | Jul 23 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Dell didn't advertise these either | Jul 23 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft has secret deals with Dell | Jul 23 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Dell needs to pretend to "recommend <current Windows version>" | Jul 23 20:09 |
| MinceR | m$ has secret deals with almost all major PC makers | Jul 23 20:09 |
| schestowitz | I leaked evidence of this | Jul 23 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Actually, I published a leak | Jul 23 20:09 |
| MinceR | "don't offer linux or we hike your winblows license prices" | Jul 23 20:10 |
| schestowitz | yes | Jul 23 20:10 |
| schestowitz | But they put it differently | Jul 23 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Like the many ways of passing a bribe | Jul 23 20:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @fontana: yes, certainly for some; but what about nearby countries - Canada, Mexico etc? | Jul 23 20:10 | |
| schestowitz | We "give you secret discounts", but with conditions | Jul 23 20:10 |
| schestowitz | And then comes the anti-competitve clauses | Jul 23 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Like those tbat got Intel exposed for crimes against competitors | Jul 23 20:11 |
| schestowitz | It's a way to starve the competitor using one's wealth to bribe against diversity | Jul 23 20:11 |
| schestowitz | But the US doesn't enforce that much | Jul 23 20:11 |
| schestowitz | It takes a sane nation like South Korea of EU to do this | Jul 23 20:11 |
| schestowitz | The US had something done by what General Attorny from NY... it never got off the ground, maybe Intel derailed it somehow | Jul 23 20:12 |
| schestowitz | See the Majoras' conflict of interests (her husband) in the FTC amid Intel crimes investigations | Jul 23 20:12 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, she moved to work for P&G | Jul 23 20:12 |
| schestowitz | License: | Jul 23 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Jul 23 20:15 | |
| schestowitz | ANY ACADEMIC USE OF THIS CODE MUST CITE THE ABOVE REFERENCES. | Jul 23 20:15 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 23 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Must. | Jul 23 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Code that I look at and use ^^ | Jul 23 20:15 |
| schestowitz | MUST | Jul 23 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Makes you wonder they they can garner many citations... | Jul 23 20:16 |
| schestowitz | and they give THREE refs | Jul 23 20:16 |
| schestowitz | to boost their #s | Jul 23 20:16 |
| schestowitz | I've seen it put more gently in other code, from other people. No "MUST" or three refs | Jul 23 20:16 |
| schestowitz | IEEE Trans. | Jul 23 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Visualization and Computer Graphics. | Jul 23 20:17 |
| schestowitz | SIAM Journal of | Jul 23 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Scientific Computing, | Jul 23 20:17 |
| MinceR | ugly | Jul 23 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Proc. National Academy of Sciences (PNAS) | Jul 23 20:17 |
| MinceR | how common is that? | Jul 23 20:17 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: never seen it before | Jul 23 20:17 |
| schestowitz | it's a "we publish code, so you must link to our publications" licence | Jul 23 20:18 |
| schestowitz | and... | Jul 23 20:18 |
| schestowitz | ANY COMMERCIAL USE PROHIBITED. PLEASE CONTACT THE AUTHORS FOR | Jul 23 20:18 |
| schestowitz | LICENSING TERMS. PROTECTED BY INTERNATIONAL INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY | Jul 23 20:18 |
| schestowitz | LAWS AND PATENTS PENDING. | Jul 23 20:18 |
| schestowitz | " | Jul 23 20:18 |
| schestowitz | licensing=patents | Jul 23 20:18 |
| schestowitz | =pay us to use this freely-available s/w | Jul 23 20:19 |
| schestowitz | I don't like s/w patents | Jul 23 20:19 |
| schestowitz | This one is all about matrices | Jul 23 20:19 |
| schestowitz | i.e. maths | Jul 23 20:19 |
| schestowitz | "maths you can't use" | Jul 23 20:19 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: are Orban's goons going to end term? | Jul 23 20:23 |
| schestowitz | It seems like they might be the NaziLite of .hu, just like UKIP here | Jul 23 20:23 |
| MinceR | one more thing about the "market share/installed base" bullshit: according to ballmer, gnu/linux already had a larger share than crApple on the desktop in 2009 >> http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/ballmer-macs-linux.png | Jul 23 20:23 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: what do you mean? | Jul 23 20:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] some more Star Wars crap http://coffee.jezra.net/coffee/20110723 #sip_and_click | Jul 23 20:24 | |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: IIRC | Jul 23 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Orban.. | Jul 23 20:24 |
| schestowitz | He said.. | Jul 23 20:24 |
| MinceR | will they hold real elections or will all his flunkies stay in government under him? | Jul 23 20:24 |
| schestowitz | That he should be thanked for keeping far right out | Jul 23 20:24 |
| MinceR | yes, that's his talking point to foreigners | Jul 23 20:24 |
| schestowitz | the "I may be radical, but not like THEY are" defence | Jul 23 20:24 |
| schestowitz | careful of those | Jul 23 20:24 |
| schestowitz | They feed off the "equally evil" pattern | Jul 23 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft uses that too | Jul 23 20:25 |
| schestowitz | A lot | Jul 23 20:25 |
| MinceR | because you see it's preferable to live in a totalitarian fundie nazi dictatorship if the governing party is called fidesz, not jobbik | Jul 23 20:25 |
| MinceR | for some reason i can't conceive of | Jul 23 20:25 |
| schestowitz | does jobbik have a meaning? | Jul 23 20:25 |
| schestowitz | the word? | Jul 23 20:25 |
| schestowitz | I know a Jobian clan that's quite radical | Jul 23 20:26 |
| MinceR | no, no "equally evil" -- according to fidesz/kdnp party line, they're the good guys and everyone else is commie/unhungarian/evil/whatever | Jul 23 20:26 |
| schestowitz | JobiKKK | Jul 23 20:26 |
| MinceR | the word "jobbik" means "better", as in the better of two things | Jul 23 20:26 |
| MinceR | iirc it was also an acronym, maybe it still is | Jul 23 20:26 |
| schestowitz | who would it be better for? | Jul 23 20:26 |
| MinceR | for themselves, obviously | Jul 23 20:26 |
| schestowitz | yeah, buyt.. | Jul 23 20:27 |
| schestowitz | That's a given | Jul 23 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Like all parties | Jul 23 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Who else? | Jul 23 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Their cronies in enterrprises? | Jul 23 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Multinationals? | Jul 23 20:27 |
| schestowitz | White Hungarians? | Jul 23 20:27 |
| MinceR | also, it is customary to call these parties "right" here -- "jobb" means better and also right | Jul 23 20:27 |
| schestowitz | riight | Jul 23 20:27 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if they have many cronies | Jul 23 20:27 |
| schestowitz | it's like saying micro soft | Jul 23 20:27 |
| schestowitz | it's micro and it's soft | Jul 23 20:28 |
| schestowitz | they do have a Linux distro | Jul 23 20:28 |
| schestowitz | maybe they saw a niuche voter base in that | Jul 23 20:28 |
| MinceR | i guess they have people and corporations who for some reason couldn't cozy up to orban as cronies | Jul 23 20:28 |
| schestowitz | *niche | Jul 23 20:28 |
| MinceR | (kdnp is irrelevant and they seem to know it too) | Jul 23 20:28 |
| schestowitz | Jobban | Jul 23 20:29 |
| schestowitz | From you I get a picture of how enlightened people view Hungary | Jul 23 20:29 |
| schestowitz | It was once part of an empire | Jul 23 20:29 |
| schestowitz | Then a colony, I think (of the Soviets) | Jul 23 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Now it's struggling for identity. Is that correct? | Jul 23 20:30 |
| MinceR | it was a great power in europe a long time ago | Jul 23 20:30 |
| schestowitz | The UK too used to be an empire | Jul 23 20:30 |
| MinceR | then it became part of one empire | Jul 23 20:30 |
| schestowitz | Not it's a stooge of the US | Jul 23 20:30 |
| MinceR | and then it went from being part of one empire to being a part of another | Jul 23 20:30 |
| schestowitz | *Now | Jul 23 20:30 |
| MinceR | then it was somewhat free for about 20 years | Jul 23 20:31 |
| MinceR | (at least not a part of only one empire anyway) | Jul 23 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Germany has ironically emerged as the superpower of Europe again | Jul 23 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Maybe France does OK too | Jul 23 20:31 |
| MinceR | i don't know what's coming next | Jul 23 20:31 |
| schestowitz | But Sarko annoys people with pension plans | Jul 23 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Italy seems quite on these economic issues, they probably still enjoy tourism | Jul 23 20:31 |
| schestowitz | Germany has a strong steel industry again, unlikeBritian | Jul 23 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Would be an issue in case of conflicts | Jul 23 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Even the US has retained /some/ heavy production | Jul 23 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Just that which cannot be economically sent over from China | Jul 23 20:32 |
| schestowitz | Including some cars | Jul 23 20:32 |
| schestowitz | All that can be put in containers in large quantities had been offshorn | Jul 23 20:33 |
| schestowitz | [20:31] <MinceR> i don't know what's coming next | Jul 23 20:33 |
| schestowitz | My friend asked me yestrrday, "when is the end?" | Jul 23 20:33 |
| schestowitz | Like there's an "End" | Jul 23 20:33 |
| schestowitz | I told him, the Earth wiill keep evolving | Jul 23 20:33 |
| schestowitz | revolving | Jul 23 20:33 |
| schestowitz | And the demise of the West started long ago, we're already in it, not feeling the spiral just like we can't feel our 3 motions round the sun, self, plus the angular thing of Earth (taking 22,000 year cycle to complete) | Jul 23 20:34 |
| MinceR | the earth won't keep revolving forever | Jul 23 20:35 |
| MinceR | or even existing | Jul 23 20:35 |
| schestowitz | I start seeing more who are willing to acknowledge public debt without being called k00ks | Jul 23 20:35 |
| schestowitz | And yesterday morning I heard it on national radio | Jul 23 20:35 |
| schestowitz | My friend doubted it | Jul 23 20:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is laurelrusswurm with 97 dents! | Jul 23 20:35 | |
| MinceR | unless we can and want to save it with science and technology we don't have today :> | Jul 23 20:35 |
| schestowitz | I told him they now say it on the "official" wire/waves too | Jul 23 20:35 |
| schestowitz | And he told me about PIGS | Jul 23 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Didn't know what he means | Jul 23 20:36 |
| schestowitz | It's like BRIC | Jul 23 20:36 |
| schestowitz | An acronym | Jul 23 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Portugal Ireland Greeze Spain | Jul 23 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Bandkrupt states | Jul 23 20:36 |
| schestowitz | Hungary had someone try to wave this flag too | Jul 23 20:36 |
| schestowitz | States are inter-dependent | Jul 23 20:36 |
| schestowitz | WWI, IIRC, started after some Hungariajn bank was bailed out and led to domino reaction, then leading to a chain of events devalusing the currency | Jul 23 20:37 |
| schestowitz | [20:35] <MinceR> the earth won't keep revolving forever | Jul 23 20:37 |
| schestowitz | In human terms it will | Jul 23 20:37 |
| MinceR | no, forever means forever even in human terms | Jul 23 20:37 |
| schestowitz | It's very imporobably we'll be here until the sun expands | Jul 23 20:37 |
| MinceR | and even protons will decompose over time | Jul 23 20:37 |
| schestowitz | The very least because of asteroid collisiions | Jul 23 20:37 |
| MinceR | and then this universe will eventually reach top entropy | Jul 23 20:38 |
| MinceR | and then it will stop expanding and it will contract | Jul 23 20:38 |
| schestowitz | and shhrink? | Jul 23 20:38 |
| MinceR | yes | Jul 23 20:38 |
| MinceR | at least it seems to be a widely accepted theory with lots of evidence anyway | Jul 23 20:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] This could get interesting !kde !gnome http://lists.kde.org/?l=kde-core-devel&m=131132292207915&w=2 | Jul 23 20:42 | |
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| schestowitz | "it justa a theory!" | Jul 23 20:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] extra! amy winehouse killed at US fed debt meeting on jekyll island off norway. or something like that. busy news day | Jul 23 20:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Will Project #Harmony Bring Harmony to #Linux? by Sean #Kerner http://ur1.ca/4rrt7 | Jul 23 21:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] RT @afiestas First draft of what will become "Display Management" for KDE-Workspace 4.8: http://goo.gl/hEFrQ | Jul 23 21:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] #Harmony's curiously flat tune http://www.h-online.com/open/features/Harmony-s-curiously-flat-tune-1283369.html | Jul 23 21:12 | |
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| schestowitz | tuxmachines.org keeping steady http://www.tuxmachines.org/stats/index.html | Jul 23 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | I thought they would have seen a decline, but no... good. | Jul 23 21:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] @lxoliva Careful, you'll tweak those who prefer their celebrities clinging to the edge of death... | Jul 23 21:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] RT @schestowitz ♻ @nj3ma Does anyone know/Has anyone bothered to find out how many children under 5 have been killed by NATO strikes in ... | Jul 23 21:19 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @forteller #Etherpad Lite is soon upon us, and they would like your help to spread the good news! http://ur1.ca/4r6kz !2o !autonomous | Jul 23 21:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Today's chapter of !InconstantMoon posted ... running a bit late due to illustration selection http://ur1.ca/4rrxb !SelfPub | Jul 23 21:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] the secret project is taking shape just grand, still lots of dummy content at this stage, but the framework is lookin' good | Jul 23 21:44 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @duanedesign apt-get, aptitude, … pick the right !Debian package manager for you http://bit.ly/noG8n8 !Linux !Ubuntu | Jul 23 21:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Sadly Ice Cat is also absent from the !Trisquel repository... have to look at figuring how to get that later. | Jul 23 21:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] just I don't know how to get there from here @gomerx :) | Jul 23 21:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] if you were to create a #CreativeCommons #torrent site, what name would you give it? !lo | Jul 23 21:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] RT @aurele @lxoliva 3.0 all pushed on !fsfla server. you can refresh now. !linuxlibre Good works ;-D | Jul 23 22:04 | |
| schestowitz | Mac Asay: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/07/13/google_plus/ | Jul 23 22:11 |
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| schestowitz | Does make some valid points | Jul 23 22:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Great photo Julian+Kristinn at London's High Court of Appeal http://t.co/ffvAUEq | Jul 23 22:25 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.thevarguy.com/2006/11/02/microsoft-novell-the-hidden-agenda/comment-page-1/ | Jul 23 22:35 |
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| schestowitz | just seen that | Jul 23 22:35 |
| schestowitz | VAR Guy seems to be keyword spamming/stuffing Google News | Jul 23 22:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] RT @rms trash vortex in North Pacific is now twice as large as the continental US, <http://ur1.ca/4rs8p> may hold 100 mln tons of plastic | Jul 23 22:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] RT @rms #WalMart is America's chief corporate #poverty creator, according to the SEIU union. <http://ur1.ca/4rs8v> | Jul 23 22:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] RT @rms US media cover up civilian deaths caused by Bush's occupation of Iraq—pretend it was only "tens of thousands". <http://ur1.ca/4rs91> | Jul 23 22:37 | |
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| schestowitz | "The official Microsoft earnings release didn’t mention Windows Phone 7 at all… a sure sign that Microsoft continues to struggle in the smartphone market. Also, no mention of tablets. Oh, and come to think of it: No mention of Hyper-V virtualization. Considering Hyper-V’s relatively small base in the market, shouldn’t sales be growing sharply? Hmmm…" | Jul 23 22:37 |
| schestowitz | --Vary Guy Joe | Jul 23 22:37 |
| schestowitz | *Var | Jul 23 22:37 |
| cubezzz | 100 min tons? | Jul 23 22:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] RT @rms Bush regime blanked 28 pages of 9/11 report, apparently to hide evidence tying Saudi princes to attack. <http://ur1.ca/4l1wj> | Jul 23 22:39 | |
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| cubezzz | oh mln tons | Jul 23 22:39 |
| cubezzz | I hate over-abbreviation | Jul 23 22:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] RT @rms tell US Airways it is not acceptable to kick someone off a flight for having sagging pants. <http://ur1.ca/4rs9f> | Jul 23 22:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] RT @rms Instead of austerity, Greece could cut weapons spending. <http://ur1.ca/4rs9i> But US & Germany won't allow it | Jul 23 22:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] RT @rms sign this petition telling world leaders, cut nuclear weapons, not things people need. <http://cutnukes.globalzero.org/> | Jul 23 22:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk what's !qt ? | Jul 23 23:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk strings of letters are easier to remember if i kn ow the words they represent; to me qt = quiet, i suspect not what you mean | Jul 23 23:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] i think my brain may just explode under this alphabet infusion 8o | Jul 23 23:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] in my world, KD = "Kraft Dinner" which is dried noodles and cheese stuff reduced to powder | Jul 23 23:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good answer @speeddefrost :) | Jul 23 23:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Boehner intentionally halts debt talks because of a personal beef with Obama http://ur1.ca/4rsky | Jul 23 23:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Now 31 Murdoch news outlets are under investigation for phone hacking http://ur1.ca/4rsli | Jul 23 23:39 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Murdoch-detector browser add-ons warn you when you're reading Murdoch-tainted news http://ur1.ca/4rsmb | Jul 23 23:44 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Bullet train derails in China because they're held together with duct tape and no safety oversight http://ur1.ca/4rsmk | Jul 23 23:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[qu1j0t3/@qu1j0t3] MT @diablo-d3 Bullet train derails in China—they're held together w duct tape& no safety regs http://ur1.ca/4rsmk # <http://ff.im/IjKRJ> | Jul 23 23:50 | |
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