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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/nagekineko/status/102685088692699137 | Aug 15 00:03 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @nagekineko: for real? RT @rsandu: Romania bans #GPL http://t.co/VFeiZBL #fsfe #linux #windows #gnu #fsf #fsfe | Aug 15 00:03 |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/jan_bernadyn/statuses/102699631800090624 | Aug 15 00:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @jan_bernadyn: Schlimme Lage der Free and open source software in Rumänien http://t.co/Rx6KgzL | Aug 15 00:03 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @dwa: @eebrah ahh ... that's the ticket. Thanks. -- Your welcome! | Aug 15 00:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @sandersch: Goodnight !identiverse | Aug 15 00:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Kernel prepatch 3.1-rc2 http://lwn.net/Articles/454956/rss | Aug 15 00:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Kernel prepatch 3.1-rc2 [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 7.89 KB | Aug 15 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Wow, I'm finding some cool kde 4stuff I never knew I can disable | Aug 15 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Like animated scroolbar effects | Aug 15 00:27 |
| schestowitz | And animated tab transitions | Aug 15 00:27 |
| schestowitz | subtle menu highlightd.. | Aug 15 00:27 |
| schestowitz | Etc. | Aug 15 00:27 |
| schestowitz | These ought to b enabled by default on decent computer gear | Aug 15 00:27 |
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| _Goblin | boom | Aug 15 01:22 |
| _Goblin | back | Aug 15 01:22 |
| _Goblin | ... | Aug 15 01:22 |
| _Goblin | After Ive fought off the overwhelming welcome back from the channel...Ive got an important announcement..... | Aug 15 01:23 |
| _Goblin | its my birthday | Aug 15 01:23 |
| DrumScum | hey, have a nice one :-) | Aug 15 01:35 |
| _Goblin | :) | Aug 15 01:35 |
| _Goblin | at least someone is here! | Aug 15 01:36 |
| DrumScum | wb btw | Aug 15 01:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Help! Please VOTE! aka The Writing Comic Top Twelve: http://is.gd/oXz5cQ #amwriting #MyWANA | Aug 15 02:00 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Help! Please VOTE! aka The Writing Comic Top Twelve « Busy Writing .::. Size~: 36.82 KB | Aug 15 02:00 |
| _Goblin | Sorry thanks...was distracted there..... So everyone else is away.... | Aug 15 02:01 |
| _Goblin | Came back after 5/6 days, glanced into COLA, still bickering between themselves I see.... | Aug 15 02:01 |
| _Goblin | God help the COLA posters when the NG does go the journey....what will they have in their lives? For the most part it seems their "advocacy" is limited to the wibbly wobbly world of COLA....I don't expect their petty squables will be welcome on G+, Diaspora or the comments of any site... | Aug 15 02:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Where are you traveling from this week to attend #linuxcon? #linux20th | Aug 15 02:12 | |
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| _Goblin | doh | Aug 15 02:13 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Nice bit of censorship, MediaCorp. Now MP Penny not seen SMS/tweeting/whatever. http://ur1.ca/4x1ek #fb #sgpolitics | Aug 15 02:47 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: MediaCorp censors segment of Penny Low looking down at her HP in replay of National Day Parade « Editorial « TEMASEK REVIEW EMERITUS .::. Size~: 108.55 KB | Aug 15 02:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] #Wikipedia deleted article on Peter #MacDonald, founder of 1st #Linux distro in modern sense, #SLS. !disturbing #deletionism | Aug 15 03:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @fontana: #Wikipedia deleted article on Peter #MacDonald, founder of 1st #Linux distro in modern sense, #SLS. #disturbing #deletionism | Aug 15 03:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RD @NASAcio Less than 24 hrs until the #nasait Summit! Kick-off Mon at 8amPT: http://t.co/NcBkIpd | Aug 15 03:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @fontana #Wikipedia deleted article on Peter #MacDonald, founder of 1st #Linux distro in modern sense, #SLS. !disturbing #deletionism | Aug 15 03:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[stumbles/@stumbles] Received my GNU Buck, valued at π for reporting a non-free package (mame) in #Trisquel. Great concept @FSF! | Aug 15 03:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @threethirty ♻ @fontana: #Wikipedia deleted article on Peter #MacDonald, founder of 1st #Linux distro in modern sense, #SLS. #disturb ... | Aug 15 03:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] @fontana Probably. #Friendika seems to be picking up speed in its stead. | Aug 15 03:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Morning Twietnam, United StatusNets. | Aug 15 03:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Fine AM in Nairobi. | Aug 15 03:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Tempus with his right-side Companion Niko.mov: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zTaDPNWAtHk #amreading | Aug 15 04:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Messinary tales. | Aug 15 04:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Haven't had time to catch up with my feeds lately. | Aug 15 04:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Wait, subscribable tags? Me likey. | Aug 15 04:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Core i3s for paper pushers #fail http://ur1.ca/4x1sh | Aug 15 04:43 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: https://file.status.net/i/identica/nj3ma-20110815T033933-pg7rt98.jpeg - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 10.42 KB | Aug 15 04:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] The sticker says SLED, but of course was chucked in favour of stupid Windows 7. http://ur1.ca/4x1sl | Aug 15 04:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] No traffic jams, this trip is too fast, too boring. | Aug 15 04:45 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: https://file.status.net/i/identica/nj3ma-20110815T034108-lqkttyx.jpeg - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 10.28 KB | Aug 15 04:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] And another word enters the political glossary of the US of A. Female reactionary #palin #bachmann | Aug 15 04:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Palin and Bachmann together ==Pacmann | Aug 15 04:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] !Kenya embassies face cash crisis http://b1t.it/v9j #dollar #shilling | Aug 15 04:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] It’s a battle of titans as Banda meets Sata in Zambia election http://b1t.it/v9l !Africa | Aug 15 05:02 | |
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| ziggyfish | http://peertopatent.org.uk/patent/2459907/overview - nearly every application I have seen does this in one form or another | Aug 15 05:02 |
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| ziggyfish | in fact every application, including XChat does this. | Aug 15 05:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Tea two floors down from work. | Aug 15 05:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] A big ass ndazi, [some sorta short bread] http://ur1.ca/4x1xs | Aug 15 05:25 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: https://file.status.net/i/identica/nj3ma-20110815T042029-29njg3h.jpeg - Identi.ca .::. Size~: 10.25 KB | Aug 15 05:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Hate in your eyes. | Aug 15 05:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Identica sneaks past every corporate firewall. Hurray for StatusNet! | Aug 15 05:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Chrome is the official browser here. Feeling slighted cc @eebrah | Aug 15 05:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Where's the download button? On the sixgun site,where do I click to download stuff ? !lo cc@eebrah | Aug 15 05:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @nj3ma for podcast episodes you have to select the show name from the top menu, then click on an episode, there's ogg and mp3 download links | Aug 15 05:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Nice HP widescreen TFT. | Aug 15 05:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Why oh why,are folks afraid to ask bout stuff they don't understand? | Aug 15 05:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Meetings, a practical alternative to work. Another NY Times bestseller. | Aug 15 06:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] RT @zoowar I wonder if Shelly uses the same plastic surgeon as Mick Jagger? #BigBrother | Aug 15 06:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Monday's !InconstantMoon installment is now online http://ur1.ca/4x262 !SelfPub | Aug 15 06:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk Not a peep yet. Give it time. | Aug 15 06:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] #Linux 3.1-rc2 is out http://bit.ly/qLqQmY "Hey, nice calm first week after the merge window." He named it "Wet Seal" http://bit.ly/nD6cyA | Aug 15 06:45 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] From @gregkh: "Future of the -longterm kernel releases (i.e. how we pick them)." http://bit.ly/nC3ano (now on #lkml) | Aug 15 06:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] #lkml #qotd http://bit.ly/pZeKi7 "I'm currently 35,000 feet above Chicago […], so what better time to benchmark this patchset on my […]" | Aug 15 07:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @cer Quote of the Day: David Cameron doesn't get it http://b1t.it/v9w | Aug 15 07:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @x11r5 does tinyurl pose an accessibility issue itself? | Aug 15 07:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] myself, I prefer ur1.ca @x11r5 :) | Aug 15 07:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @carlbildt 64th anniversary of the independence of India today. We congratulate. A great country with a great future. http://ur1.ca/4x2b0 | Aug 15 07:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] On a whim, I went to orkut DOT com and remembered all those crazy days :) | Aug 15 07:12 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Text of PM's Independence Day speech at Red Fort - The Times of India .::. Size~: 132.61 KB | Aug 15 07:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] China looked at Seal Team 6 stealth helicopter, act of war http://ur1.ca/4x2bd | Aug 15 07:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] #Anonymous hacks BART after wireless shutdown; protests planned for Monday http://ur1.ca/4x2bz | Aug 15 07:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: UPDATE 1-Pakistan let China see crashed US stealth copter-FT | Reuters .::. Size~: 93.28 KB | Aug 15 07:15 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Tell PM Cameron to shove it up his ass and quit attacking his own citizens http://ur1.ca/4x2c6 | Aug 15 07:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Fed Gov forces North Carolina to close mental hospitals due to GOP-lead privatization of health care http://ur1.ca/4x2cd | Aug 15 07:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] MIT research proves UN climate report is full of bullshit http://ur1.ca/4x2cn | Aug 15 07:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good morning @mcnalu | Aug 15 07:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Astronaut Photographs Perseid Meteor... From Space http://ur1.ca/4x2d2 | Aug 15 07:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Illinois plans to ban Westboro from all local military funerals http://ur1.ca/4x2d8 | Aug 15 07:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] #linux #kernel 3.1-rc1-git9: Reported #regressions 2.6.39 -> 3.0 http://bit.ly/otVlfZ (19 unresolved) | Aug 15 07:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Interesting crypto. Can we add this to status.net please? http://pidgin-encrypt.sourceforge.net/ #fb | Aug 15 07:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Long Beach Police Chief will detain all photographers as if they were trying to acquire weaponized smallpox http://ur1.ca/4x2dy #terrorist | Aug 15 07:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Hamilton Copwatch: "cooperative sources of protection against police abuse" http://ur1.ca/4x2dp via @alexhundert !freebyron | Aug 15 07:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !freebradley | Aug 15 07:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] How one Holocaust survivor survived http://ur1.ca/4x2e9 | Aug 15 07:33 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Who's Streets? Our Streets! An Interview with Hamilton CopWatch | Linchpin - website of Ontario anarchist organization Common Cause .::. Size~: 34.7 KB | Aug 15 07:33 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] AJEnglish Video: "Riots cast shadow over UK tourism " http://ur1.ca/4x2ef | Aug 15 07:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good morning @marjoleink | Aug 15 07:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] The 6 Dumbest Things Schools Are Doing in the Name of Safety http://ur1.ca/4x2f4 | Aug 15 07:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] #YoSGPresident will you be brave and do a live TV/web debate? #fb | Aug 15 08:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Florian Mueller ofcourse did not ask the FSF, FSFE or SFLC for any kind of opinion before blasting his "opinion". He di... http://b1t.it/wae | Aug 15 08:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - Florian Mueller ofcourse did not ask the FSF, FSFE or SFLC… .::. Size~: 36.3 KB | Aug 15 08:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Last Journey Of A Genius - http://bit.ly/q6lZ6j final days of Richard #Feynman and his obsession with traveling to Tannu #Tuva | Aug 15 08:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Clicking on a URL thinking it leads to an article only to find it is to the Google+ version of the dent could become tiresome. | Aug 15 08:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] typed that reasonably well for someone who ought to be sleeping. time for sleeping.... | Aug 15 08:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] g'night !Identiverse zzzzzzzzzzzzzz | Aug 15 08:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Spot on. #nuffsaid https://plus.google.com/112435942355572461782/posts/9BapsbsTFiS | Aug 15 08:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @jwildeboer: Spot on. #nuffsaid https://plus.google.com/112435942355572461782/posts/9BapsbsTFiS | Aug 15 09:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Buffet: Please tax me more. I am willing to pay. And my rich friends are too. https://plus.google.com/11026004324068571... http://b1t.it/wat | Aug 15 09:07 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - I admire Warren Buffet, and today's opinion piece only… .::. Size~: 40.24 KB | Aug 15 09:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Jevons' coal question: Why the UK Coal Peak wasn't as bad as expected - http://bit.ly/mY189E fascinating discussion #energy | Aug 15 09:10 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Oil Drum | Jevons' coal question: Why the UK Coal Peak wasn't as bad as expected .::. Size~: 42.56 KB | Aug 15 09:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] further to Feynman's obsession with #Tuva, here's olpctuva: One Laptop Per Child Tuva - http://bit.ly/qyzfjr (v @sameerverma) #olpc | Aug 15 09:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] If looters wish to continue; they should do what elites do and use contacts & influence to have law changed. #spottheflawinmyplan | Aug 15 09:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @jwildeboer Spot on. #nuffsaid https://plus.google.com/112435942355572461782/posts/9BapsbsTFiS | Aug 15 09:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Is the !Linux Desktop "On Par" With Mac and Windows? No Way! http://ur1.ca/4x2y8 | Aug 15 09:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] "Seit Einführung des absoluten Rauchverbotes blieben 30 Prozent der Gäste weg, zwei Drittel verweilten kürzer und St... http://b1t.it/waE | Aug 15 09:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] that they have to ask shows how fucked up things are http://is.gd/KHnZZ3 everyone in that tax bracket evades paying ANY tax | Aug 15 09:47 | |
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| schestowitz | [05:02] <ziggyfish> http://peertopatent.org.uk/patent/2459907/overview - nearly every application I have seen does this in one form or another | Aug 15 09:51 |
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| schestowitz | hi ziggyfish | Aug 15 09:52 |
| schestowitz | I see P2Patent is doing its thing in the UK | Aug 15 09:52 |
| schestowitz | Those things should bem invalidated based on the fact they are software | Aug 15 09:52 |
| schestowitz | Abstract ideas | Aug 15 09:52 |
| schestowitz | Not that there is prior art, which there is | Aug 15 09:52 |
| schestowitz | "70 days left" | Aug 15 09:53 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Aug 15 09:53 |
| schestowitz | and if nothing is done, then the patentor assumed it's all fine (the patent) | Aug 15 09:53 |
| schestowitz | Which is ain't | Aug 15 09:53 |
| schestowitz | Peer2Patent passes money from IBM to yet more patent lawyers | Aug 15 09:54 |
| schestowitz | To run this project | Aug 15 09:54 |
| schestowitz | And validate some software patents | Aug 15 09:54 |
| schestowitz | zoobab would tell you the same | Aug 15 09:54 |
| schestowitz | [02:06] <_Goblin> God help the COLA posters when the NG does go the journey....what will they have in their lives? For the most part it seems their "advocacy" is limited to the wibbly wobbly world of COLA....I don't expect their petty squables will be welcome on G+, Diaspora or the comments of any site... | Aug 15 09:55 |
| schestowitz | Some people actually post straight facts into COLA and don't squabble | Aug 15 09:56 |
| schestowitz | And increase signal in the forum | Aug 15 09:56 |
| schestowitz | The trolls' intent is to cause the loss of focus | Aug 15 09:56 |
| ziggyfish | schestowitz, agreed, | Aug 15 09:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] just found #Gimli Gloin's son in an ep of #Voyager as #DaVinci - will keep an eye out for #TomHanks #StarTrek #LOTR | Aug 15 10:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] "Rise of the apes" - in a cinema near you or in London on the streets. | Aug 15 10:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Ubuntu In The Wild: Have You Seen ‘Ubuntu’ In Public? http://ur1.ca/4x36x #canonical #gnu #linux #publicity | Aug 15 10:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New video: E17 #Enlightment Rocks http://ur1.ca/4x378 (works as HTML5/WebM too) | Aug 15 10:18 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: E17 Enlightment Rocks - YouTube .::. Size~: 101.99 KB | Aug 15 10:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Which languages are people writing Plasmoids in? http://blogs.kde.org/node/4469 "Python 46% C++ 44% QML 6% Javascript 4%" | Aug 15 10:22 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Which languages are people writing Plasmoids in? | blogs.kde.org .::. Size~: 11.76 KB | Aug 15 10:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] 'Where is she?', 'She? There is no girl'... 'Oh he, Did she leave?'. 'He left'... 'Left? She?'... 'Make up your mind?! He left. End of day!' | Aug 15 10:23 | |
| schestowitz | http://linuxmoose.wordpress.com/2011/08/14/wattos-r4-an-alternative-to-lubuntu/ | Aug 15 10:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: WattOS R4 – An alternative to Lubuntu « linuxmoose .::. Size~: 31.21 KB | Aug 15 10:25 |
| schestowitz | It has always been like that | Aug 15 10:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #WattOS R4 – An alternative to #Lubuntu http://ur1.ca/4x37o #ubuntu #canonical #gnu #linux | Aug 15 10:25 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: WattOS R4 – An alternative to Lubuntu « linuxmoose .::. Size~: 31.21 KB | Aug 15 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I've never seen many interesting desktop applets regardless the platform | Aug 15 10:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Open Source: Multitasking with X and Linux http://ur1.ca/4x21x #gnu #linux | Aug 15 10:28 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Open Source: Multitasking with X and Linux « The ERACC Web Log .::. Size~: 100.97 KB | Aug 15 10:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Found yesterday in KDE4 (hard-to-find options) - animated scrollbar, animated tab switching. Should be enabled by default on good h/w. !kde | Aug 15 10:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Choosing a Desktop (#noapple) http://ur1.ca/4x392 "So that left Fedora and Ubuntu." Dumping #OSuX for #gnu #linux | Aug 15 10:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Someone who had been robbed by Steve Jobs (his invention) mailed me proof over the past week, alleging Microsoft and Apple bribed lawyers | Aug 15 10:33 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Adventures in Open Source » Blog Archive » Choosing a Desktop (#noapple) .::. Size~: 19.26 KB | Aug 15 10:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The broken dreams of a #Linux system administrator http://ur1.ca/4wywb "have 1 distribution at the same level on all servers" | Aug 15 10:37 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: » Linuxaria – Everything about GNU/Linux and Open source The broken dreams of a Linux system administrator .::. Size~: 61.63 KB | Aug 15 10:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] New Releases of the week you need to watch http://ur1.ca/4x3a7 "Monomaxos...dyne:bolic, Plop Linux, Toorox and Network Security Toolkit" | Aug 15 10:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] +glyn moody will love this :-) https://plus.google.com/110937404525422912753/posts/9AFK2fNLXDo | Aug 15 10:42 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Aug 15 10:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Gijs Hillenius - Google+ .::. Size~: 37.5 KB | Aug 15 10:42 |
| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/80872091 | Aug 15 10:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Nikolai Maziashvili (nmaziashvili)'s status on Monday, 15-Aug-11 09:37:26 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz I'm interested in some eyecandy right now. Where did you find it? | Aug 15 10:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Did GNOME Shell Miss the Mark? http://ur1.ca/4x3ab "Having played with a couple of tablets...Android tablets, HP webOS... | Aug 15 10:43 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux, BSD, and everything else...: Did GNOME Shell Miss the Mark? .::. Size~: 100.16 KB | Aug 15 10:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/koolhead17/status/103036299929333760 | Aug 15 10:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @koolhead17: @schestowitz We knew it from ages :) | Aug 15 10:46 |
| schestowitz | That "Someone who had been robbed by Steve Jobs (his invention) mailed me proof over the past week, alleging Microsoft and Apple bribed lawyers" | Aug 15 10:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] .@nmaziashvili !KDE SyS> Appearance > Applications > Configure (Oxygen) > General > Enable animations, Scrollbars > Colourful, Menu > Subtle | Aug 15 10:47 | |
| schestowitz | But this one is a unique story. Apple is not banning Linux devices, e.g. in Europe, using patents it took from Linux proponents fraudulently | Aug 15 10:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 15 10:49 |
| schestowitz | http://www.bbspot.com/news/2000/4/MS_Buys_Evil.html | Aug 15 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBspot - Microsoft Purchases Evil From Satan .::. Size~: 20.1 KB | Aug 15 10:49 |
| schestowitz | Redmond, WA - Microsoft purchased evil from Satan for $2.7 billion after | Aug 15 10:49 |
| schestowitz | many months of tough negotiations. | Aug 15 10:49 |
| schestowitz | "We've been after Satan for some time," said CEO Steve Ballmer. | Aug 15 10:49 |
| schestowitz | "Negotiations were tough, but I think both Microsoft and the Prince of | Aug 15 10:49 |
| schestowitz | Darkness are happy with this deal." | Aug 15 10:49 |
| schestowitz | " | Aug 15 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.newswithviews.com/Daubenmire/dave247.htm | Aug 15 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Dave Daubenmire -- There’s a Muslim in the White House .::. Size~: 30.88 KB | Aug 15 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | that was on Google News just now | Aug 15 10:49 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 15 10:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] British opposition leader says it's not just the poor behaving badly but also the rich and powerful. #aftermath of #riots | Aug 15 11:03 | |
| schestowitz | What is Muslim? | Aug 15 11:04 |
| schestowitz | I reckon it meant follower of the so-called prophet of so-called Allah | Aug 15 11:04 |
| schestowitz | aka "the voice in people's heads" | Aug 15 11:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] Custom #DOM events in !Javascript .... I must be a sucker for pain, otherwise why would I even attempt this? | Aug 15 11:05 | |
| schestowitz | Does Obama bother with it? To tell you the truth, based on what I saw and read all these years, I rekon Obama is a closet atheist or agnostic, but he cannot show this as being religious is a prerequisite to being US politician, not just president | Aug 15 11:06 |
| schestowitz | I think there was only one openly atheist (yes, sounds like gay) in the US Senate or something. That's what I keep hearing. | Aug 15 11:06 |
| schestowitz | In the US, you are better off (from the public's POV) being a Muslim than without faith | Aug 15 11:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] "Operation is not supported, code: 9" | Aug 15 11:07 | |
| schestowitz | As long as you're belonging to one of the monotheistic religions, you are assume to have a moral compass... see? That's why US politicians are so honest :-) :-) | Aug 15 11:07 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: but anyway, you God-fearing son of a Gun!, you've distracted the channel with topics that belong in #boycottnovell-social | Aug 15 11:09 |
| schestowitz | Have you yet considered giving Debian Squeeze a spin? | Aug 15 11:10 |
| schestowitz | It's quite good so far, based on what I see | Aug 15 11:10 |
| *DrumScum has quit (Quit: Lost terminal) | Aug 15 11:10 | |
| DaemonFC | tried it | Aug 15 11:10 |
| DaemonFC | if anything I'd be using testing right now | Aug 15 11:10 |
| *DrumScum (~tommy@d54C39583.access.telenet.be) has joined #techrights | Aug 15 11:10 | |
| DaemonFC | since the KDE is stable is ancient | Aug 15 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | *in | Aug 15 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | it looks like Ubuntu is going to be keeping an old X server version so the folks at Nvidia and AMD don't have to make any effort on their drivers | Aug 15 11:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Oprah and the philanthropy that chokes http://gu.com/p/3x8vy | Aug 15 11:13 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Oprah and the philanthropy that chokes | Priyamvada Gopal | Comment is free | The Guardian .::. Size~: 244.89 KB | Aug 15 11:13 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, You're wrong actually, btw | Aug 15 11:14 |
| DaemonFC | it's better to be Muslim than gay, because the average American trusts gay people less than Muslims | Aug 15 11:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] getting prepped for the event in Taiwan and my many meetings that follow. probably not going to get much hacking done today | Aug 15 11:15 | |
| DaemonFC | must be because gay people hijack planes and fly them into buildings | Aug 15 11:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 15 11:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Dear Google. Why no share function in your mobile googleplus apps? Adn why no huddle in the browser? Limiting functiona... http://b1t.it/wbn | Aug 15 11:18 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - Dear Google. Why no share function in your mobile… .::. Size~: 42.94 KB | Aug 15 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | why the other day someone shouted "fag!", but I sure showed him, I strapped a bomb on myself and shouted ALALALALALALALALA!!!! and ran into his place of business and blew him up and now I;m sitting here in the afterlife surrounded by young men feeding me grapes | Aug 15 11:18 |
| DaemonFC | true story | Aug 15 11:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Defra to publish fishing rights register after widespread anger - http://bit.ly/mSZncd "commercial confidentiality" cop-out is pathetic | Aug 15 11:22 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Defra to publish fishing rights register after widespread anger | Environment | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 120.23 KB | Aug 15 11:22 |
| amarsh04 | mesh networking for android: http://www.servalproject.org/archives/743 | Aug 15 11:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Prototype Release – Software and User Manual available NOW!! | The Serval Project .::. Size~: 9.93 KB | Aug 15 11:22 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: LOL | Aug 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | Well said | Aug 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | But that's a US issue | Aug 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | Religons favour other religions | Aug 15 11:27 |
| schestowitz | They're adhering to similar policiies | Aug 15 11:27 |
| schestowitz | In some nation, one ultra-religious group would really vote for a religious group of anotrher faith | Aug 15 11:27 |
| schestowitz | Cause they lobby for similar lazws | Aug 15 11:27 |
| DaemonFC | true | Aug 15 11:27 |
| schestowitz | Like increased welfare+ for families with 10 kids | Aug 15 11:27 |
| DaemonFC | they agree to hate gay people for example | Aug 15 11:27 |
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| schestowitz | And they recognise lack of religion as the bigger threat than ANOTHER religion gaining market share (payments through places of worship) | Aug 15 11:28 |
| schestowitz | Atheism is like Linux to them | Aug 15 11:28 |
| schestowitz | It means you eliminate value | Aug 15 11:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] @nj3ma Is there any #Chrome specific bullshit they are running? or are you just "encouraged" to use it? | Aug 15 11:28 | |
| schestowitz | In the OS space | Aug 15 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | they all lose if people reject them both | Aug 15 11:28 |
| schestowitz | Or worship space | Aug 15 11:28 |
| DaemonFC | so they agree to keep each other in power | Aug 15 11:28 |
| schestowitz | They need their clients who pay a portion of their wage to "faith" | Aug 15 11:29 |
| schestowitz | Like with OS | Aug 15 11:29 |
| schestowitz | And Linux is usually gratis | Aug 15 11:29 |
| DaemonFC | makes sense | Aug 15 11:29 |
| schestowitz | And it teaches people how to think | Aug 15 11:29 |
| schestowitz | e.g. how to troubleshoot | Aug 15 11:29 |
| DaemonFC | even in Iran, the Christians are guaranteed seats in their legislative branch | Aug 15 11:29 |
| schestowitz | not how to call some call ccentre | Aug 15 11:29 |
| DaemonFC | most people don't know that | Aug 15 11:29 |
| schestowitz | Or reinstall Windows | Aug 15 11:29 |
| schestowitz | Or memorising menus | Aug 15 11:29 |
| schestowitz | PEople start to actually understand how the system/world works | Aug 15 11:30 |
| schestowitz | Becuase they have no cult to lean on | Aug 15 11:30 |
| schestowitz | Like Apple or Microsoft or Pat Robertson | Aug 15 11:30 |
| DaemonFC | call centers..... | Aug 15 11:30 |
| DaemonFC | it's usually quicker to give up and reinstall Windows than to call one of those | Aug 15 11:30 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Aug 15 11:30 |
| DaemonFC | half the time that's their official answer anyway | Aug 15 11:30 |
| DaemonFC | after being on hold | Aug 15 11:30 |
| schestowitz | make an image with host | Aug 15 11:31 |
| schestowitz | And hope it doesn't already have malware 'bolted on' :-) | Aug 15 11:31 |
| schestowitz | Like those... | Aug 15 11:31 |
| schestowitz | !google hard drive coems with malware | Aug 15 11:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Warning - ALDI External 4-in-1 Hard Drive Contains Built In Malware | http://www.hoax-slayer.com/aldi-4-in-1-hard-drive-malware-warning.shtml | Aug 15 11:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Does leaving my external hard drive connected put its contents at ... | http://ask-leo.com/does_leaving_my_external_hard_drive_connected_put_its_contents_at_risk_from_malware.html | Aug 15 11:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Security Forums :: View topic - Nasty malware deletes all files on ... | http://www.security-forums.com/viewtopic.php%3Ft%3D56441 | Aug 15 11:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Malware Removal Instructions | http://deletemalware.blogspot.com/ | Aug 15 11:31 |
| DaemonFC | so many parts of Windows phone home to Microsoft that it comes with spyware even if it's otherwise "clean" | Aug 15 11:31 |
| schestowitz | !google hard drive preinstalled malware | Aug 15 11:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Preinstalled Malware - Mark Ciampa's Blog (Security+ 3ed ... | http://community.cengage.com/Infosec/blogs/mark_ciampa/archive/2011/07/12/preinstalled-malware.aspx | Aug 15 11:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Hard drive recalled in Australia | http://www.bitdefender.com/security/hard-drive-recalled-in-australia.html | Aug 15 11:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - windows 7 bootmgr is missing-- resolved using WinRE - Microsoft ... | http://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/forum/windows_7-system/windows-7-bootmgr-is-missing-resolved-using-winre/8bb148bc-8035-4847-9696-888f7a0a9720 | Aug 15 11:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Warning - ALDI External 4-in-1 Hard Drive Contains Built In Malware | http://www.hoax-slayer.com/aldi-4-in-1-hard-drive-malware-warning.shtml | Aug 15 11:31 |
| DaemonFC | for example, it tells them all the software you have installed every time it checks for updates | Aug 15 11:31 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Media Player/Center tells them your music library and what shows you watch | Aug 15 11:32 |
| DaemonFC | IE tells them things like what you download | Aug 15 11:32 |
| DaemonFC | Activation tells them all the hardware you have | Aug 15 11:33 |
| DaemonFC | crash reports are sent without asking by default and could contain anything | Aug 15 11:33 |
| DaemonFC | this is just off the top of my head | Aug 15 11:33 |
| DaemonFC | and they have been cause breaking their own privacy policies before | Aug 15 11:34 |
| DaemonFC | their response was to amend the policy to allow what they had already been doing | Aug 15 11:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/books/8695102/Disastrous-inventions-they-said-it-would-never-work...and-they-were-right.html | Aug 15 11:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Disastrous inventions: they said it would never work...and they were right - Telegraph .::. Size~: 90.18 KB | Aug 15 11:34 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: | Aug 15 11:34 |
| schestowitz | !google softpedia 20 spyware vista | Aug 15 11:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Free Windows Downloads - Softpedia | http://win.softpedia.com/ | Aug 15 11:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Forget about the WGA! 20 Windows Vista Features ... - News - Softpedia | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Forget-about-the-WGA-20-Windows-Vista-Features-and-Services-Harvest-User-Data-for-Microsoft-58752.shtml | Aug 15 11:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Download Popup / Ad/ Spyware Blockers - page 1 ... - Softpedia | http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Popup-Ad-Spyware-Blockers/ | Aug 15 11:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Download XP-Antispy 3.98 Beta / 3.97-11 Free ... - Softpedia | http://www.softpedia.com/get/Internet/Popup-Ad-Spyware-Blockers/XPAntispy.shtml | Aug 15 11:35 |
| schestowitz | see [2] | Aug 15 11:35 |
| DaemonFC | it's probably easier to tell you what Windows isn't sending back to Microsoft | Aug 15 11:35 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Aug 15 11:35 |
| schestowitz | And wait.. | Aug 15 11:35 |
| DaemonFC | and even that may not be accurate (most of it is encrypted) | Aug 15 11:35 |
| schestowitz | Don't forget MSIE | Aug 15 11:35 |
| schestowitz | Since IE7 they send MS a trail of pages you visit | Aug 15 11:35 |
| schestowitz | For them to 'secure' you | Aug 15 11:35 |
| schestowitz | And now they track you in Google too | Aug 15 11:35 |
| schestowitz | !google bing sting | Aug 15 11:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Google: Bing Is Cheating, Copying Our Search Results | http://searchengineland.com/google-bing-is-cheating-copying-our-search-results-62914 | Aug 15 11:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Bing Sting. | MetaFilter | http://www.metafilter.com/100127/Bing-Sting | Aug 15 11:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Google's Bing Sting - NYTimes.com | http://pogue.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/02/02/on-googles-bing-sting/ | Aug 15 11:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Google: Sting proves Bing copied search results - CNN | http://articles.cnn.com/2011-02-02/tech/google.bing.sting_1_experian-hitwise-google-engineers-search-engine%3F_s%3DPM:TECH | Aug 15 11:35 |
| DaemonFC | right, they scrape Google, and then they indirectly admitted it | Aug 15 11:36 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Aug 15 11:36 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Aug 15 11:36 |
| schestowitz | They use diversion tactics | Aug 15 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | something like "we use many sources of information to enhance our results" | Aug 15 11:36 |
| schestowitz | Trying to make Google seem villaneous | Aug 15 11:36 |
| schestowitz | For showing Microsoft's bad conduct | Aug 15 11:36 |
| schestowitz | And then Microsoft boosters like DrPizza needed to play along | Aug 15 11:37 |
| DaemonFC | Google is at least no worse than Microsoft | Aug 15 11:37 |
| schestowitz | And change tghe controversy | Aug 15 11:37 |
| schestowitz | Trying to make it seem like there was balance | Aug 15 11:37 |
| DaemonFC | Asa Dotzler is not trustworthy | Aug 15 11:37 |
| schestowitz | "Evil" Google shows Microsoft is cheating | Aug 15 11:37 |
| schestowitz | How dare it!?! | Aug 15 11:37 |
| DaemonFC | he spoke out against Google and in favor of Bing over privacy policies a while back | Aug 15 11:37 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Aug 15 11:37 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Aug 15 11:37 |
| schestowitz | He was taken a bit out of context | Aug 15 11:37 |
| schestowitz | !google asa techrights | Aug 15 11:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - The Advertising Standards Authority to Receive ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/02/14/asa-and-microsoft/ | Aug 15 11:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft's Chokehold is Gradually Coming to Its End | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/02/11/unable-to-force-windows/ | Aug 15 11:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Novell Leeching More, Creating Less | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/04/02/leech-pov/ | Aug 15 11:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Notes For The Last Several Weeks | Wayne Borean | http://madhatter.ca/2010/04/04/notes-for-the-last-several-weeks/ | Aug 15 11:37 |
| schestowitz | !google Dotzler techrights | Aug 15 11:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - 2011 July 19 | Techrights - Part 2 | http://techrights.org/2011/07/19/page/2/ | Aug 15 11:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Links 17/5/2011: More GNOME 3 Mockups, Groklaw Interviews | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/05/17/more-gnome-3-mockups/ | Aug 15 11:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - 2011 May 17 | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/05/17/ | Aug 15 11:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: July 8th, 2011 | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/07/irc-log-techrights-08072011.html | Aug 15 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Hmm.. maybe I didn't include him name there.. | Aug 15 11:38 |
| DaemonFC | I've seen a few people freak out that Bing is one of the sources Duck Duck Go scrapes | Aug 15 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Never mind. | Aug 15 11:38 |
| DaemonFC | I don't really see anything wrong with that | Aug 15 11:38 |
| schestowitz | Anywya, I explained his remarks in context, as he later clarified a bit too | Aug 15 11:38 |
| schestowitz | In think it was /. which at the time was sort of inciting against him | Aug 15 11:39 |
| schestowitz | or some site which was then /.ed | Aug 15 11:39 |
| DaemonFC | slashdot's quality has dropped a lot over the years | Aug 15 11:39 |
| DaemonFC | 10 years ago it was a great site | Aug 15 11:39 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, I worte about DDG using b0ng | Aug 15 11:39 |
| DaemonFC | it has gradually been drifting to the side of promotion of Apple and Microsoft | Aug 15 11:40 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yes, even 7 years ago | Aug 15 11:40 |
| schestowitz | That's when I read it regularly | Aug 15 11:40 |
| schestowitz | DiBona left it | Aug 15 11:40 |
| schestowitz | As did others.. | Aug 15 11:40 |
| schestowitz | It's based in Detroit | Aug 15 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Which says a lot :-) | Aug 15 11:40 |
| schestowitz | [11:40] <DaemonFC> it has gradually been drifting to the side of promotion of Apple and Microsoft | Aug 15 11:40 |
| DaemonFC | the incredible shrinking city | Aug 15 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Yes, cause it got hijacked | Aug 15 11:40 |
| schestowitz | The Linux proponents left | Aug 15 11:40 |
| schestowitz | In anger sometimes | Aug 15 11:40 |
| schestowitz | And the PR orf Apple and Microsoft gamed the site | Aug 15 11:41 |
| schestowitz | Told me one of the editors | Aug 15 11:41 |
| schestowitz | And now they tamed a once-decent site | Aug 15 11:41 |
| DaemonFC | so the Microsoft/Apple fanboys and paid promoters rushed in to fill a void? | Aug 15 11:41 |
| schestowitz | To shove just 'tech news' | Aug 15 11:41 |
| schestowitz | and thre comments too are not forthcoming of the people there used to be there, inc. Bruce Perens | Aug 15 11:41 |
| schestowitz | !google slashdot techrights | Aug 15 11:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Microsoft Critique: Resources | Techrights | http://techrights.org/microsoft-critique-resources/ | Aug 15 11:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Slashdot: World's Third-Largest Population Appeals ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2008/05/30/brazil-ooxml-appeal/ | Aug 15 11:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Why IDG and Slashdot Let Microsoft Attack Dogs Call ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2010/10/18/attack-piece-from-strohmeyer/ | Aug 15 11:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Techrights' IRC (boycottnovell) on Twitter | http://twitter.com/boycottnovell | Aug 15 11:41 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.chicagonow.com/blogs/whats-a-boy-to-do/gay%20terrorist.jpg | Aug 15 11:44 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/conversation/78250135#notice-80872354 http://identi.ca/notice/80872354 | Aug 15 11:45 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Adesuyan Bobby (bigbrovar)'s status on Monday, 15-Aug-11 09:47:53 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz thanks for the tip :) | Aug 15 11:45 |
| cubezzz | guess I'll do all shows < 15 mins from now on | Aug 15 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, Motorola is now going ahead with Android patent tax of their own | Aug 15 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.unwiredview.com/2011/08/11/motorolas-sanjay-jha-openly-admits-they-plan-to-collect-ip-royalties-from-other-android-makers/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+UnwiredView+%28Unwired+View%29&utm_content=Google+Reader | Aug 15 11:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Motorola’s Sanjay Jha openly admits they plan to collect IP royalties from other Android makers » Unwired View .::. Size~: 46.83 KB | Aug 15 11:46 |
| schestowitz | Not sure | Aug 15 11:47 |
| schestowitz | Sladhdot made an error | Aug 15 11:47 |
| schestowitz | With a deceiving headline | Aug 15 11:47 |
| schestowitz | see my post about it | Aug 15 11:47 |
| schestowitz | Motorola did not say it intends to do this yet | Aug 15 11:47 |
| schestowitz | It was merely a remark about a possibility | Aug 15 11:48 |
| DaemonFC | KDE 4.7 is a bit screwy | Aug 15 11:48 |
| schestowitz | Someone shove a scary FUD headlien | Aug 15 11:48 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: how so? | Aug 15 11:48 |
| DaemonFC | some of these packages have been rebuilt 5 times already | Aug 15 11:48 |
| DaemonFC | http://apt.kde-redhat.org/apt/kde-redhat/fedora/15/x86_64/unstable/repoview/ | Aug 15 11:48 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Linux 3.1-rc2 Is A Fairly Calm Release http://ur1.ca/4x3kn "There isn't too much to see and Linus notes that this is a fairly calm release" | Aug 15 11:50 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [Phoronix] Linux 3.1-rc2 Is A Fairly Calm Release .::. Size~: 16.22 KB | Aug 15 11:50 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, it breaks the kde printer applet too, on Fedora at least | Aug 15 11:51 |
| DaemonFC | I had to bring the GTK version of system-config-printer in | Aug 15 11:51 |
| DaemonFC | according to Rex Dieter, they may end up just using that version eventually | Aug 15 11:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @dkeats: The saddest thing about patents and today's "intellectual property" is their devastating effect on those who are not yet born. + | Aug 15 11:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] This. Is. Bullshit! | Aug 15 11:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @jargon: looking at java code,i can't help but feel sorry for people who have to code in java | Aug 15 11:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @FFII: We leave in place, and reinforce with #ACTA, low-volume high-profit strategies http://t.co/VBG2JyQ access to medicine | Aug 15 12:00 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/davidgerard/status/102821943522234368 | Aug 15 12:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Sarah_Stierch: I deleted my Google+ a few weeks ago after the big stink. Happy to see others join the "it's not all that" "google fail" club! @nicoles | Aug 15 12:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @ceciliatan Can't help but notice a bunch of my friends have changed their Google+ profile names to Spartacus. Brilliant. #nymwars | Aug 15 12:02 | |
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| cubezzz | schestowitz, you might find this humourous: | Aug 15 12:06 |
| cubezzz | http://i.imgur.com/ZGmZc.jpg | Aug 15 12:06 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @qu1j0t3: The plutocracy is effectively a parallel society. We know nothing about them and they know everything about us, the expendable. | Aug 15 12:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @quakerpen Mother of 2 young children gets 4 month sentence for picking up a bag of clothes dropped by looters. This is not justice | Aug 15 12:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @davidgerard ♻ @karlpro You can also be arrested for mapping. This time in UK. http://t.co/PpiNZvE | Aug 15 12:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @zoobab: A hostile campaign against Android by Microsoft, Oracle, Apple and others, using patents http://t.co/Y6afRGR | Aug 15 12:12 | |
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| schestowitz | hi _Goblin | Aug 15 12:14 |
| schestowitz | It seems like quite the riot in COLA :-) | Aug 15 12:14 |
| schestowitz | But the trolls are mostly the vile type, not the ones we need to compete with | Aug 15 12:15 |
| _Goblin | :) | Aug 15 12:15 |
| _Goblin | hi mate! | Aug 15 12:15 |
| _Goblin | COLA thrives on conflict... | Aug 15 12:16 |
| _Goblin | theres no advocacy there in the main. | Aug 15 12:16 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: yesterday I got retweeted by Wikileaks :-) | Aug 15 12:16 |
| _Goblin | hey! good effort! | Aug 15 12:16 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: ask /who/ causes the conflict | Aug 15 12:16 |
| _Goblin | both sides shamefully | Aug 15 12:16 |
| schestowitz | It's tilted in this direction by trolls | Aug 15 12:16 |
| _Goblin | some Linux users enjoy the bickering as much as the troll | Aug 15 12:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @schestowitz: ♻ @ceciliatan Can't help but notice a bunch of my friends have changed their Google+ profile names to Spartacus. Brilliant | Aug 15 12:17 | |
| schestowitz | and pretend "Linux" people who don't even use Linux | Aug 15 12:17 |
| _Goblin | and its all futile.... | Aug 15 12:17 |
| schestowitz | Pretending to use Debian and Gentoo | Aug 15 12:17 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft MVPs | Aug 15 12:17 |
| schestowitz | And guess what? | Aug 15 12:17 |
| schestowitz | Remember Manish? | Aug 15 12:17 |
| schestowitz | The troll who trolled this channel? | Aug 15 12:17 |
| _Goblin | the audience cola has is not the mainstream audience......its people who have already made their minds up.....How can anyone advocate to advocates in COLA? | Aug 15 12:17 |
| schestowitz | I've just found out he was a Microsoft intern | Aug 15 12:17 |
| schestowitz | Like Collier | Aug 15 12:17 |
| schestowitz | Many of the Mono boosters come from the same pit | Aug 15 12:18 |
| schestowitz | This is why Mono is such an abrasive subject | Aug 15 12:18 |
| schestowitz | Cause you need to confront pro-Microsoft people | Aug 15 12:18 |
| schestowitz | Pretending to be FOSS/Linux folks | Aug 15 12:18 |
| _Goblin | I think in terms of COLA its good for Microsoft.....all those vocal people caged in one area, an area which the mainstream buying public don't visit. | Aug 15 12:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Obama is raising the cost of cars by $6k each to support 56 MPG by 2025... too bad electric cars already won http://ur1.ca/4x3pd | Aug 15 12:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] In any !capitalist system some will always do well. Many in this group cannot comprehend why others can't do just like them. | Aug 15 12:18 | |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: COLA breeds some ideas | Aug 15 12:18 |
| _Goblin | really? | Aug 15 12:19 |
| _Goblin | like what? | Aug 15 12:19 |
| schestowitz | I stick around because I filter out the garbage | Aug 15 12:19 |
| schestowitz | And then it's a nicer forum with smart posters like HPT and Homer | Aug 15 12:19 |
| schestowitz | You need to foilter it | Aug 15 12:19 |
| schestowitz | same with /. | Aug 15 12:19 |
| _Goblin | agreed about HPT and Homer completely....however what else is there? | Aug 15 12:19 |
| schestowitz | Rasker.. | Aug 15 12:19 |
| oiaohm | I have run into some idiots recently. | Aug 15 12:19 |
| _Goblin | and I'd love to know any idea that cola has bred..... | Aug 15 12:20 |
| schestowitz | Gruff.. | Aug 15 12:20 |
| oiaohm | but most likely you guys don't know it either. | Aug 15 12:20 |
| schestowitz | If they're idiots, why confront them? | Aug 15 12:20 |
| cubezzz | hmm? | Aug 15 12:20 |
| schestowitz | oh, oops | Aug 15 12:20 |
| schestowitz | I read that as _Goblin saying "idiots" | Aug 15 12:20 |
| oiaohm | Mostly because they were saying Linux could become less secure quickly because someone added a repo. | Aug 15 12:21 |
| oiaohm | Something I do to prevent this is setup preferences. | Aug 15 12:21 |
| oiaohm | apt preferences file. | Aug 15 12:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Norman Tebbit. To paraphrase "These people are feckless spongers they have it too easy. We need more individualism and capitalism" | Aug 15 12:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] there should be a #Microsoft #Twitter account called @ILoveReboots | Aug 15 12:22 | |
| oiaohm | apt you can black list with preferences any added repos from working. | Aug 15 12:22 |
| oiaohm | Most Linux package systems have some way to black list repos. | Aug 15 12:22 |
| cubezzz | or use something so old that there are no repos :) | Aug 15 12:22 |
| cubezzz | wow, schestowitz has over 600 videos | Aug 15 12:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Warren Buffet tells fellow rich people to suck it up and pay their fucking taxes http://ur1.ca/4x3qe | Aug 15 12:27 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Missing content type. Ignoring. | Aug 15 12:27 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Aug 15 12:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Inuit (a Microsoft company) basically fucks Mac users, why no FOSS banking solution backed by banks? http://ur1.ca/4x3qn !fsf | Aug 15 12:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Freakin awesome! Red Hat Openshift rulez! Love da costume! https://plus.google.com/114682255328371246824/posts/GnCBnCiWWDu | Aug 15 12:30 | |
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| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: Warren is the same thief who pays no taxes | Aug 15 12:30 |
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| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: and bitches very loudly about it | Aug 15 12:30 |
| schestowitz | He joined Gates' out-of-the-loop club | Aug 15 12:30 |
| schestowitz | Now they can invest tax-free | Aug 15 12:30 |
| schestowitz | SOBs | Aug 15 12:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude, he INVENTED the out of the loop club | Aug 15 12:30 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Aug 15 12:30 |
| schestowitz | You guys have a rogue system | Aug 15 12:31 |
| schestowitz | But in the UK it's not much better | Aug 15 12:31 |
| schestowitz | And Ireland is a tax haven too | Aug 15 12:31 |
| schestowitz | Canonical is based in Isle of Man | Aug 15 12:31 |
| schestowitz | Pretending to be there | Aug 15 12:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | its just that Warren _has_ bitched about that even if he WANTS to pay extra taxes, it just invites IRS investigations | Aug 15 12:31 |
| schestowitz | For tax reasons | Aug 15 12:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | so something is seriously fucking wrong | Aug 15 12:31 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Aug 15 12:31 |
| schestowitz | People should be hopping MAD | Aug 15 12:31 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Aug 15 12:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | and when the richest man alive is bitching about not being able to pay taxes, its time to take back the government | Aug 15 12:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | because Warrent is very smart, he knows that if the US sinks, _everybody is fucked_ | Aug 15 12:32 |
| schestowitz | Maybe Warren wants toi propr up the market to make more profit before the tax system collapses because of people like him | Aug 15 12:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: no | Aug 15 12:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | he actually wants to fix this | Aug 15 12:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | he has the most to lose. | Aug 15 12:32 |
| schestowitz | And he with his Swiss bank account (I reckon) will hopefulyl be put in jail thanks to Wikileaks and Elmer | Aug 15 12:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: dude, look at his investing record | Aug 15 12:32 |
| schestowitz | no, he doesn't want to fix it | Aug 15 12:32 |
| schestowitz | He pays no tax | Aug 15 12:32 |
| schestowitz | Remember.. | Aug 15 12:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | of all the rich investors, he keeps the largest portion of it in the US | Aug 15 12:32 |
| schestowitz | He pretends to do the charity thing | Aug 15 12:33 |
| schestowitz | Calling on politicians to license patents | Aug 15 12:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes required to do the charity thing. | Aug 15 12:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | you dont get that, do you? | Aug 15 12:33 |
| schestowitz | Taxpayers' expsnse | Aug 15 12:33 |
| schestowitz | Steal and be praised for it | Aug 15 12:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | if he doesnt do everything he can, then hes not considered a good investor | Aug 15 12:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is exactly what he bitched about | Aug 15 12:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | so has the heads of google | Aug 15 12:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Romanian Unreasonableness - http://bit.ly/nGwj3i #romania offers daft reasons for excusing #opensource from project | Aug 15 12:33 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | no one should be able to _force_ you to use tax loopholes | Aug 15 12:33 |
| schestowitz | Investment is based ojn inside info | Aug 15 12:33 |
| schestowitz | So he gains at someone's expense | Aug 15 12:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | uh | Aug 15 12:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats investing | Aug 15 12:34 |
| schestowitz | Based on inside knowlede others don't have | Aug 15 12:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | any gains comes at someone's expense. | Aug 15 12:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | and btw, schestowitz | Aug 15 12:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | he knows everything. | Aug 15 12:34 |
| schestowitz | Thre's no "Good" in that | Aug 15 12:34 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: sure he knows everythingt | Aug 15 12:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | he cant take a piss without filing SEC forms in triplicate. | Aug 15 12:34 |
| schestowitz | he's tich | Aug 15 12:34 |
| schestowitz | Therefore he's smart | Aug 15 12:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes a very good investor | Aug 15 12:34 |
| schestowitz | Cause only rich people are ever smart | Aug 15 12:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | probably the only good true investor alive | Aug 15 12:34 |
| schestowitz | "If you're so smart, how come you're not LOADED!! dudhhhhhehshshs"| | Aug 15 12:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | he has a very very useful skill | Aug 15 12:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | he can tell what a company is actually worth, no matter what the market says | Aug 15 12:35 |
| DaemonFC | I had the state of Indiana come after me over a miscalculation of $18 once | Aug 15 12:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | that does take intelligence | Aug 15 12:35 |
| schestowitz | does he know its products? | Aug 15 12:35 |
| schestowitz | Look at Apple | Aug 15 12:35 |
| DaemonFC | but they never audit the millionaires | Aug 15 12:35 |
| schestowitz | Just a brand | Aug 15 12:35 |
| schestowitz | Overvalued | Aug 15 12:35 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder why.... | Aug 15 12:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | he passed on apple | Aug 15 12:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | he doesnt understand modern computer shit, so he wont invest. | Aug 15 12:35 |
| schestowitz | !google warren buffett gates ipod | Aug 15 12:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | he wont invest in companies whos business plans he doesnt get. | Aug 15 12:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Charlie Rose - An hour with Warren Buffett, Bill Gates & Melinda Gates | http://www.charlierose.com/view/content/345 | Aug 15 12:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Charlie Rose - Warren Buffett, Bill Gates, and Melinda Gates | http://www.charlierose.com/view/content/11063 | Aug 15 12:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - digits: Could Bill Gates Succeed Warren Buffett? - MarketWatch Video | http://www.marketwatch.com/video/asset/digits-could-bill-gates-succeed-warren-buffett/C494BAD2-4DE3-4F4A-A0CE-97CEDE06B011 | Aug 15 12:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - The World's Billionaires - Forbes.com | http://www.forbes.com/wealth/billionaires | Aug 15 12:36 |
| schestowitz | Meh | Aug 15 12:36 |
| schestowitz | It's SEO-spammed by their PR operation | Aug 15 12:36 |
| schestowitz | Gates was envious and upset that Buffett had used an iPod | Aug 15 12:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, gates let his personal life interfere with his buisness life | Aug 15 12:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | this is why I think gates is not good at his job. | Aug 15 12:36 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: you're really sunk into that all 'ubermench' illusion.. | Aug 15 12:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: not really. | Aug 15 12:37 |
| schestowitz | This guy is no magician | Aug 15 12:37 |
| schestowitz | He probably just surrounds himself with informants | Aug 15 12:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | nope, hes not | Aug 15 12:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | _not_ investing in apple was a mistake. | Aug 15 12:37 |
| schestowitz | e.g. "Dan is going to sell him company Sunday... buy shares now" | Aug 15 12:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: _duh_. | Aug 15 12:37 |
| schestowitz | This is what EWall Street is | Aug 15 12:37 |
| schestowitz | Fraud Street | Aug 15 12:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | his job IS information. | Aug 15 12:37 |
| schestowitz | Knowing how to game others | Aug 15 12:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | but you know what his skill is? | Aug 15 12:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | not investing in dead companies before anyone else has a chance not to. | Aug 15 12:37 |
| schestowitz | At the expense of those fololish enough to get the champagne glass and enter the casino | Aug 15 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, I was having a discussion with a friend who had this silly notion that the state doesn't own everyone | Aug 15 12:38 |
| schestowitz | Thinking it associates them with rich culture | Aug 15 12:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | no one has to tell him to sell shares in a company, he never owned them in the company to begin with. | Aug 15 12:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: he doesnt belong to the rich culture. | Aug 15 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | I said "The tax your labor, don't they?" Yeah | Aug 15 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | "It's illegal to kill yourself?" Yeah | Aug 15 12:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | and you can say "oh thats just a put on", its not. | Aug 15 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | "They can decide to kill you" Yeah | Aug 15 12:38 |
| DaemonFC | And you think they don't own you... | Aug 15 12:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | he doesnt get driven around in a limo, he doesnt own a mansion, he didnt even own a plane for years | Aug 15 12:39 |
| schestowitz | people can kill themselves | Aug 15 12:39 |
| schestowitz | They won't fo to jail for it | Aug 15 12:39 |
| schestowitz | And in the US the state can kill | Aug 15 12:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyhow, roy, _you're_ not an investor | Aug 15 12:39 |
| schestowitz | Executions don't occur in Europe anymore | Aug 15 12:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | rule number one: understand thy enemy. | Aug 15 12:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | and unlike you, I do. | Aug 15 12:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have read almost every major text on investing there is. | Aug 15 12:39 |
| schestowitz | [12:39] <Diablo-D3> he doesnt get driven around in a limo, he doesnt own a mansion, he didnt even own a plane for years | Aug 15 12:39 |
| schestowitz | Neither do I | Aug 15 12:39 |
| schestowitz | Your point is... | Aug 15 12:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | warren buffet isnt the enemy | Aug 15 12:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | people like bill gates are. | Aug 15 12:40 |
| schestowitz | maybe more so | Aug 15 12:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | and the problem is, theere isnt just one bill | Aug 15 12:40 |
| schestowitz | But it's all PR | Aug 15 12:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, its not PR | Aug 15 12:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | warren is the real deal | Aug 15 12:40 |
| schestowitz | And I think it got to you | Aug 15 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, you pay taxes whether you want to or not | Aug 15 12:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | now, if I was warren, I'd basically dump bill as a bad investment | Aug 15 12:40 |
| schestowitz | What about Carlos Obese? | Aug 15 12:40 |
| schestowitz | fair or scum? | Aug 15 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | I assume that your government has laws that if you're planning to kill yourself, they have to commit you | Aug 15 12:41 |
| _Goblin | Sec 136 Mental health Act. | Aug 15 12:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: oh ha ha | Aug 15 12:41 |
| schestowitz | heh | Aug 15 12:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | but yeah, he really should lose a few pounds | Aug 15 12:41 |
| schestowitz | suicide associated with mental HEALTH | Aug 15 12:41 |
| schestowitz | Now they make that a symptom | Aug 15 12:41 |
| DaemonFC | so how do you figure your life is your life if the government says you can't end it? | Aug 15 12:41 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Aug 15 12:41 |
| schestowitz | Associating desperation with disease | Aug 15 12:41 |
| _Goblin | its not that... | Aug 15 12:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | carlos slim made a few interesting investments, but not what people claim he did | Aug 15 12:42 |
| schestowitz | Like they did homosexuality | Aug 15 12:42 |
| _Goblin | its duty of care. | Aug 15 12:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes another bill gates, imo | Aug 15 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | Indiana used to sterilize the mentally ill | Aug 15 12:42 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: there is no "mental health per se | Aug 15 12:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | he basically repeated an existing, well documented, and perfectly functional business plan | Aug 15 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | under a "mental hygeine" law | Aug 15 12:42 |
| schestowitz | Unless you have a tmour in the brain | Aug 15 12:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | its called the ma bell plan | Aug 15 12:42 |
| schestowitz | It's just a catchphrase,a sound bite | Aug 15 12:42 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, the Nazis referred to laws such as that in the US in their propaganda | Aug 15 12:42 |
| schestowitz | He has...."mental health" problems | Aug 15 12:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | (although ma bell didnt invent it, ma standard oil did, but hey) | Aug 15 12:42 |
| schestowitz | --> ie. send him to a doctor | Aug 15 12:43 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: no, it comes down to duty of care....empowering the public services to honour the oath of "saving life or limb" | Aug 15 12:43 |
| schestowitz | and shrink (medical bills) | Aug 15 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz, my psychiatrist is only barely competent | Aug 15 12:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | he built an entire telecommunications empire by influencing people willing to be influenced for the right price | Aug 15 12:43 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: and lets be fair, if you are at the stage of wanting to kill yourself, we cannot say that everyone is of sound mind. | Aug 15 12:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | because, see Roy, everyone has their price. the smart ones simply know what it is. | Aug 15 12:43 |
| DaemonFC | I think he took the job to get his kicks out of belittling people | Aug 15 12:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | I know what mine is. Microsoft could even hire me right this second. | Aug 15 12:43 |
| schestowitz | [12:42] <Diablo-D3> hes another bill gates, imo | Aug 15 12:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | They just are unwilling to expend that much money on any single person. | Aug 15 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | same reason pedophiles like to become priests | Aug 15 12:44 |
| DaemonFC | easy access to their prey | Aug 15 12:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | You may claim you don't have a price, but you do. | Aug 15 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Yes, but big boyz billionaire club daemonises him for not pretending to donate as much | Aug 15 12:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | The reason Bill Gateses exist is because they understand this simple fact. | Aug 15 12:44 |
| oiaohm | _Goblin: there is a problem here. If you are wanting to blow something up to kill others you don't have to legally commit yourself first. | Aug 15 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Gates loves to bully other billionairs | Aug 15 12:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: of course, it highlights their scam. | Aug 15 12:44 |
| schestowitz | Making them look bad and himself look good | Aug 15 12:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | even Warren lols at it | Aug 15 12:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | because hes admitted its a very tiny fraction of what he owns. | Aug 15 12:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a tiny fraction of what he _makes_ | Aug 15 12:44 |
| schestowitz | He;'s the biggest scum of all of them, making oprofit, attacking his rivals, pretending to be an angel, buying newspapers | Aug 15 12:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | its pocket change | Aug 15 12:45 |
| DaemonFC | hmmmm, I wonder how good a monitor that 40" TV would make :) | Aug 15 12:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | and hes like the second largest donator to the gates foundation | Aug 15 12:45 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: the alternative is to say " Ok you can kill yourself, but you can't..." Better to have someone assessed......How many suicides have been drug induced? Thats why, its better to assess.... John Smith may not want to die, merely is acting out a sideeffect of an external factor (drug) | Aug 15 12:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | but, whatever. | Aug 15 12:45 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: then it's a drug issue | Aug 15 12:45 |
| schestowitz | I mean, under those circumstances | Aug 15 12:45 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: John Smith may go on to kill himself later, but at least all efforts have been made to save his life. | Aug 15 12:45 |
| schestowitz | And should be treated on that basis | Aug 15 12:46 |
| schestowitz | Like drug addicts who are not suicidal | Aug 15 12:46 |
| _Goblin | but how do you know? | Aug 15 12:46 |
| _Goblin | public services are expected to make a split second decision.... | Aug 15 12:46 |
| _Goblin | life or death..... | Aug 15 12:46 |
| schestowitz | My gripe was different though | Aug 15 12:46 |
| schestowitz | It was an after-the-act thing | Aug 15 12:46 |
| _Goblin | better to have sec 136 and give everyone the benefit of assesment. | Aug 15 12:47 |
| schestowitz | like if someone tries to commit suicide | Aug 15 12:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Google buys Motorola. Eat that, @fosspatent, Apple, Microsoft et al :-) | Aug 15 12:47 | |
| schestowitz | And then classed as having "hea;th"-related problems | Aug 15 12:47 |
| schestowitz | There is no mental health | Aug 15 12:47 |
| _Goblin | I'd suggest that if someone is trying to end their life, they are not mentally healthy. | Aug 15 12:47 |
| schestowitz | Unless the neurons are squeezed in by some tumour or other atrophy | Aug 15 12:47 |
| schestowitz | mentally healthy as a term is mileading | Aug 15 12:47 |
| schestowitz | it implies the connection and contents of the minds are subjected to pathology | Aug 15 12:48 |
| _Goblin | not to me it doesn't | Aug 15 12:48 |
| schestowitz | But they do just what they are supposed to do, which is to carry memory and thoughts | Aug 15 12:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] RT @jwildeboer Google buys Motorola. Eat that, @fosspatent, Apple, Microsoft et al :-) | Aug 15 12:48 | |
| schestowitz | So it needs a different word | Aug 15 12:48 |
| _Goblin | mentally healthy for me means ensuring that somone is in the position of making a rational decision. | Aug 15 12:48 |
| schestowitz | A person is no mentally "ill" for wanting to loot a shop | Aug 15 12:49 |
| schestowitz | A person's values are mal-adjusted | Aug 15 12:49 |
| _Goblin | agreed | Aug 15 12:49 |
| schestowitz | Same for someone wanting to end one's own life | Aug 15 12:49 |
| schestowitz | So you want to change how they perceive thoughts and ideas | Aug 15 12:49 |
| _Goblin | no...I'd suggest not... | Aug 15 12:49 |
| schestowitz | Some memory scars (like abuse in family) might contribute to despair | Aug 15 12:50 |
| _Goblin | morals, values are very different to say for example depression. | Aug 15 12:50 |
| schestowitz | But it's not an illness | Aug 15 12:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Google Motorola deal announcement to be made at 8.30 am ET | Aug 15 12:50 | |
| _Goblin | and depression manifests itself in physical symptoms, so I'd disagree | Aug 15 12:50 |
| schestowitz | And calling such people ill is an insult which doesn't help. people assume they have something wrong with their body, when in fact it's all in the mind and fixable | Aug 15 12:50 |
| _Goblin | but as I say, it manifests in physical symptoms | Aug 15 12:51 |
| _Goblin | morals and values don't. | Aug 15 12:51 |
| _Goblin | wieghtloss, sleeplessness, short temper, apathetic.....all symptoms of a mental illness. | Aug 15 12:51 |
| _Goblin | last time I checked, peoples views of right and wrong didn't affect their physical well-being. | Aug 15 12:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ruiseabra/@ruiseabra] RT @lilbernie Eating is a lot funnier with a little bit of Shaun the Sheep | Aug 15 12:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] ♻ @glynmoody: http://bit.ly/nGwj3i #romania offers daft rationale for #opensource exclusion > Possible #3rdlaw #fail? http://is.gd/Ah0Znn | Aug 15 12:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @satipera: Google Motorola deal announcement to be made at 8.30 am ET | Aug 15 12:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @jwildeboer: Google buys Motorola. Eat that, @fosspatent, Apple, Microsoft et al :-) | Aug 15 12:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @jwildeboer Google buys Motorola. Eat that, @fosspatents, #Apple, Microsoft et al :-) < for as little as $12.5 Billion | Aug 15 12:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @jwildeboer Google buys Motorola. Eat that, @fosspatent, Apple, Microsoft et al :-) | Aug 15 12:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Google comprou a Motorola... CARACA... Come essa massinha Ballmer... | Aug 15 13:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Google bought Motorola... Holy cow... Eat that Ballmer | Aug 15 13:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Google, in a bold move, buys Motorola http://ur1.ca/4x3un | Aug 15 13:02 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google Buying Handset Maker Motorola Mobility For $12.5 Billion .::. Size~: 132.92 KB | Aug 15 13:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Google, num ato surpreendente, compra a Motorola http://ur1.ca/4x3un | Aug 15 13:03 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google Buying Handset Maker Motorola Mobility For $12.5 Billion .::. Size~: 133.25 KB | Aug 15 13:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Wow. #impressed. https://plus.google.com/104849340488933629464/posts/FkPBs7YxpF6 | Aug 15 13:05 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mario Sixtus - Google+ - Wow! Google erklärt Apple offen den Krieg. … .::. Size~: 69.3 KB | Aug 15 13:05 |
| oiaohm | Ok wow Google is now a phone hardware maker in there own right. | Aug 15 13:05 |
| oiaohm | Motorola has some of the best patents that even apple has to pay Motorola for. | Aug 15 13:06 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: have you tried out G+ yet? Or do you not intend to? | Aug 15 13:06 |
| oiaohm | _Goblin: I have enough information on line | Aug 15 13:06 |
| oiaohm | without leaking more. | Aug 15 13:06 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: (Sorry) a little off topic....but just looking for any #techrights chatters who are on it. | Aug 15 13:06 |
| schestowitz | [12:51] <_Goblin> wieghtloss, sleeplessness, short temper, apathetic.....all symptoms of a mental illness. | Aug 15 13:07 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: but then is it leaking...in my case there is nothing of note there, its merely my views on whatever news is being discussed or talking about great FOSS Ive found. | Aug 15 13:07 |
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| schestowitz | But it's not an illness | Aug 15 13:07 |
| schestowitz | It can affect the immune system | Aug 15 13:07 |
| schestowitz | But that gives way to illness | Aug 15 13:07 |
| oiaohm | _Goblin: Places like this are fun. | Aug 15 13:07 |
| schestowitz | It's not in itself the illness | Aug 15 13:08 |
| _Goblin | I'd suggest if your mental state results in symptoms like wieghloss et al, then it is an illness....you are unwell as a result | Aug 15 13:08 |
| _Goblin | when you have a cold your nose runs.... | Aug 15 13:08 |
| _Goblin | when you are depressed you can suffer side effects that physically manifest themselves. | Aug 15 13:08 |
| oiaohm | G+ just brings a stack of temptations to post images and other data. | Aug 15 13:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "stopping sites that enable the plotting of criminality" http://is.gd/JmmveI - careful now, that'd be a VERY wide net #lobbyists | Aug 15 13:08 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: BBC News - Home to a social media crackdown? .::. Size~: 96.35 KB | Aug 15 13:08 |
| oiaohm | _Goblin: I avoid temptations. | Aug 15 13:08 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: very true....but then I only post what I am happy to loose.... | Aug 15 13:09 |
| cubezzz | did google just buy Motorola? | Aug 15 13:09 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: to be correct Motorola Mobility | Aug 15 13:09 |
| oiaohm | cubezzz: Yep google just did. | Aug 15 13:10 |
| _Goblin | oiaohm: the main draw of G+ for me is the ability to engage in conversation individuals which normally I wouldn't have the same opportunity to do. | Aug 15 13:10 |
| eebrah | cubezzz: seems like it [ Motorola mobility ] | Aug 15 13:10 |
| oiaohm | 61% above market price. cubezzz | Aug 15 13:10 |
| cubezzz | huh | Aug 15 13:10 |
| oiaohm | Question is if nokia falls far enough will Google buy Nokia. | Aug 15 13:10 |
| oiaohm | The game has now got interesting. | Aug 15 13:11 |
| eebrah | :oiaohm>Question is if nokia falls far enough will Google buy Nokia. | Aug 15 13:11 |
| eebrah | <oiaohm>Question is if nokia falls far enough will Google buy Nokia. | Aug 15 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | then Microsoft has to go find someone else to pay to carry Windows Phone | Aug 15 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder how Microsoft makes money when they have to pay the retailers and device makers to carry products nobody wants | Aug 15 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | (such as Zune) | Aug 15 13:11 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: Remember Nokia has a great patent list. | Aug 15 13:12 |
| oiaohm | DaemonFC: and nokia would be a good target just to get that list. | Aug 15 13:12 |
| DaemonFC | didn't Microsoft give the libmtp people a free Zune at one point? | Aug 15 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | but support for Zune never happened | Aug 15 13:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Dad, will you run a marathon with me? And a Triathlon? Stunning. Wonderful. Brilliant. https://plus.google.com/11762810... http://b1t.it/wcl | Aug 15 13:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Supercharging #Android: #Google to Acquire #Motorola Mobility by Larry Page http://is.gd/cRsJr8 | Aug 15 13:22 | |
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| DrumScum | G+ means Google+ I suppose? | Aug 15 13:22 |
| DrumScum | Perhaps I should get myself an account too... | Aug 15 13:22 |
| schestowitz | [13:09] <oiaohm> cubezzz: to be correct Motorola Mobility | Aug 15 13:23 |
| schestowitz | Ah, I toid you.. | Aug 15 13:23 |
| schestowitz | So the FUD was in vain indeed | Aug 15 13:23 |
| DrumScum | Mhh... | Aug 15 13:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Google to buy #Motorola for $12.5B - http://cnet.co/n3JPor but do they get all the relevant patents? #android | Aug 15 13:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Google, congrats. It's a shame the patent wars force you to spend 12.5B on this instead of investing in more and be... http://b1t.it/wcq | Aug 15 13:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google to buy Motorola for $12.5B | Wireless - CNET News .::. Size~: 62.98 KB | Aug 15 13:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - Google, congrats. It's a shame the patent wars force you to… .::. Size~: 43.24 KB | Aug 15 13:23 |
| DrumScum | Not possible to 'just get an account' :-( | Aug 15 13:24 |
| DrumScum | Anyone an 'invite' to spare? | Aug 15 13:24 |
| DrumScum | oh, the G+ home page insists on asking this politely... | Aug 15 13:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @glynmoody: !Google to buy #Motorola for $12.5B - http://cnet.co/n3JPor but do they get all the relevant patents? !android | Aug 15 13:27 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google to buy Motorola for $12.5B | Wireless - CNET News .::. Size~: 61.86 KB | Aug 15 13:27 |
| _Goblin | DrumScum: sorry was afk | Aug 15 13:27 |
| DrumScum | Does anyone, pretty please with whipped cream and a cherry on top, has a G+ invite to spare :-p | Aug 15 13:27 |
| DrumScum | hehe | Aug 15 13:27 |
| schestowitz | Many people think they break the news about Moto | Aug 15 13:27 |
| _Goblin | DrumScum: I thought G+ was now public beta....if you want an invite I can send you one. | Aug 15 13:27 |
| schestowitz | now there will be a postduluge | Aug 15 13:27 |
| schestowitz | *deluge | Aug 15 13:27 |
| DrumScum | _Goblin: that would be very much appreciated! | Aug 15 13:27 |
| DrumScum | tommy@drumscum.be | Aug 15 13:28 |
| _Goblin | DrumScum: np...give me two seconds... | Aug 15 13:28 |
| DrumScum | what's up with moto, schestowitz ? | Aug 15 13:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Google+ Goes Malware at least for !Android users http://bit.ly/p70Bs7 | Aug 15 13:28 | |
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| _Goblin | DrumScum: there...done. | Aug 15 13:28 |
| DrumScum | whiii | Aug 15 13:29 |
| _Goblin | DrumScum: check your inbox...should be there. | Aug 15 13:29 |
| DrumScum | thanks ;-) | Aug 15 13:29 |
| _Goblin | np | Aug 15 13:29 |
| *DrumScum checks inbox | Aug 15 13:29 | |
| schestowitz | DrumScum: it sells patent monopolies | Aug 15 13:30 |
| DrumScum | okay, it's there :-) | Aug 15 13:30 |
| schestowitz | <And Google joins the patent game | Aug 15 13:30 |
| schestowitz | Rather than try to eliminate patents | Aug 15 13:30 |
| _Goblin | cool...see you on G+ | Aug 15 13:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] @gbraad @glynmoody this is Motorola Mobility, infra stuff was already sold to NSN. | Aug 15 13:30 | |
| DrumScum | oh, no surprise there | Aug 15 13:30 |
| schestowitz | Google will now have loads of patents... so goign against patents would be hypocritical | Aug 15 13:30 |
| schestowitz | Google failed us | Aug 15 13:30 |
| DrumScum | of course google will joint the game | Aug 15 13:30 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: I think they have no choice..... | Aug 15 13:30 |
| DrumScum | the entire industry does it | Aug 15 13:31 |
| _Goblin | I don't think Google has failed anyone though...... | Aug 15 13:31 |
| schestowitz | They didn't even try to antagonise it much | Aug 15 13:31 |
| DrumScum | they simply must follow | Aug 15 13:31 |
| cubezzz | can't wait for Googonalds to appear :-/ | Aug 15 13:31 |
| cubezzz | j/k I hope | Aug 15 13:31 |
| _Goblin | its a little like nuclear weapons, we shouldn't have them but we do. | Aug 15 13:31 |
| schestowitz | There's a difference | Aug 15 13:32 |
| schestowitz | We know how to make them | Aug 15 13:32 |
| schestowitz | Patents are just a made up thing | Aug 15 13:32 |
| schestowitz | We can just eliminate all of them overnight | Aug 15 13:32 |
| schestowitz | and ensure nobody else gets any | Aug 15 13:32 |
| schestowitz | Not the same with nuclear weapons | Aug 15 13:32 |
| schestowitz | So with patents, the dilemma is much simpler | Aug 15 13:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Symbian and MeeGo axed in UK and US http://bit.ly/oUwgKx | Aug 15 13:33 | |
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| _Goblin | schestowitz: it was a rather vague comparison I made....However can we really blame Google for using any advantage it can....after all everyone else is at it. | Aug 15 13:34 |
| DrumScum | okay, G+ is in the pocket | Aug 15 13:35 |
| DrumScum | thanks again, _Goblin | Aug 15 13:35 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: do you think any company isn't willing to sacrifice morality for the sake of its business? | Aug 15 13:35 |
| _Goblin | DrumScum: no problem, pleasure. | Aug 15 13:35 |
| schestowitz | Wow. What an annoying blog banner. Too distracting to read http://raspburryb.tumblr.com/post/8718454346 | Aug 15 13:35 |
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| schestowitz | DrumScum: now you need to collect 'friends' in another network | Aug 15 13:36 |
| schestowitz | and give google this data | Aug 15 13:36 |
| _Goblin | but what data is G+ getting? | Aug 15 13:36 |
| schestowitz | So that Google knows who you met in real life, who you're a relative of, etc. | Aug 15 13:37 |
| _Goblin | from me its merely my views on tech news | Aug 15 13:37 |
| schestowitz | and watch you if you organise something | Aug 15 13:37 |
| _Goblin | and the conversations Im haivng with likeminded people. | Aug 15 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Luike it does with Gmail | Aug 15 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Even if you're European | Aug 15 13:37 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: whats from stopping people being watched here? | Aug 15 13:37 |
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| schestowitz | And gives the US govt. (sppoks) data on what European people have searched for and visited | Aug 15 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Remote spying | Aug 15 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Stati globalised | Aug 15 13:37 |
| schestowitz | *Statsi | Aug 15 13:37 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: you provide logs of all conversations, so whats to stop the government reading those and monitoriing people? | Aug 15 13:38 |
| schestowitz | it's different cause we know this is public | Aug 15 13:38 |
| schestowitz | When people have private convos they assume there to be privacy | Aug 15 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Like one E-mail I got today | Aug 15 13:38 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: but how do you know who is reading them? | Aug 15 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Where thre is confidentiallity | Aug 15 13:38 |
| schestowitz | but the person uses a Yahoo account | Aug 15 13:38 |
| schestowitz | Yahoo also lets the Chinese govt. get copies | Aug 15 13:38 |
| schestowitz | And this person is of Asian origin | Aug 15 13:39 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: lets look at this another way.... | Aug 15 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | "We're just obeying the law" | Aug 15 13:39 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: who is your ISP? | Aug 15 13:39 |
| schestowitz | BT | Aug 15 13:39 |
| _Goblin | Right. | Aug 15 13:39 |
| schestowitz | I can encrypt | Aug 15 13:39 |
| schestowitz | Which I do | Aug 15 13:39 |
| schestowitz | They use Phorn AFAIK | Aug 15 13:39 |
| _Goblin | how do you know that your telephone conversations are not being listened to by BT? | Aug 15 13:39 |
| schestowitz | So I know I cannot surf privately | Aug 15 13:39 |
| schestowitz | But U sort of can if I try | Aug 15 13:39 |
| cubezzz | ok I got a couple of shows up: | Aug 15 13:40 |
| cubezzz | http://www.youtube.com/my_videos?feature=mhee | Aug 15 13:40 |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: they are and I presume so | Aug 15 13:40 |
| schestowitz | I know when I have privacy and when I don't | Aug 15 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Telephone I assume to be recorded always | Aug 15 13:40 |
| _Goblin | but what makes BT different from say G+ or Skype? | Aug 15 13:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Google, congrats. It's a shame the patent wars force you to spend 12.5B on this instead of investing in more and be... http://b1t.it/wcq | Aug 15 13:40 | |
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| schestowitz | Face to face converstions in the gym are not | Aug 15 13:40 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: it's not different | Aug 15 13:40 |
| _Goblin | ok... | Aug 15 13:40 |
| schestowitz | but it's a necessary evil | Aug 15 13:40 |
| schestowitz | Whereas I don't need Google+ | Aug 15 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Or Skype | Aug 15 13:41 |
| schestowitz | I have alternatives | Aug 15 13:41 |
| schestowitz | BT owns the lines here | Aug 15 13:41 |
| _Goblin | right... so then you can't be sure that BT isn't monitoring your calls....therefore as long as people are aware of implications of say G+, where is the problem? | Aug 15 13:41 |
| schestowitz | there's no problem for me | Aug 15 13:41 |
| schestowitz | Cause I'm not on it | Aug 15 13:41 |
| schestowitz | I do ighlight the dangers for others who may wish to klnow | Aug 15 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Like someone I know who doesn't want to give out full name, just "Tom OpenBytes' :-) | Aug 15 13:42 |
| schestowitz | *Tim | Aug 15 13:42 |
| _Goblin | yes but thats for a different reason | Aug 15 13:42 |
| schestowitz | Some peple now quit G+ ovet this | Aug 15 13:42 |
| schestowitz | The #nymwar as its hastagged | Aug 15 13:42 |
| schestowitz | *hashtegged | Aug 15 13:42 |
| schestowitz | *tagged | Aug 15 13:43 |
| schestowitz | meg | Aug 15 13:43 |
| _Goblin | its not some governent observation I fear, its malicious and vulgar people online | Aug 15 13:43 |
| schestowitz | meh | Aug 15 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Maybe | Aug 15 13:43 |
| schestowitz | But a lot of innocent people are hurt by what Google does in + | Aug 15 13:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] "War on innovation" a.k.a. software patent carousel spinning ever faster: Google buys Motorola as shield against Apple: http://is.gd/4SKUDg | Aug 15 13:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Google to Acquire Motorola Mobility - http://bit.ly/pVaHvq google press release (v @tlhote) #android #swpats | Aug 15 13:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Cost of this shield: 12.5B USD. But what about SMEs which create >99% of all jobs in Europe and typically do not have 35B USD to burn? | Aug 15 13:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Larry Page has already mentioned Motorola intellectual property which will protect Android from MS and Apple. | Aug 15 13:43 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google Buying Handset Maker Motorola Mobility For $12.5 Billion .::. Size~: 177.78 KB | Aug 15 13:43 |
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| _Goblin | I am quite happy to be monitored by government.....Its individuals with no sense of personal responsibility that I don't want association with.... | Aug 15 13:43 |
| schestowitz | Which is also spammed by SEO ***** I'm sure... | Aug 15 13:43 |
| cubezzz | oops, lets try that again :) | Aug 15 13:43 |
| cubezzz | http://www.youtube.com/user/cube1024?feature=mhsn | Aug 15 13:44 |
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| schestowitz | Those networks are a mess to manage | Aug 15 13:44 |
| schestowitz | I saw how it works, they'd need full-time cleanup staff | Aug 15 13:44 |
| _Goblin | I think the wrongs of a social network (i.e the harm) is caused by silly users not the system itself. If you are going to say slag off your employer on G+, then you can expect trouble. | Aug 15 13:44 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: nice the shows are up | Aug 15 13:44 |
| _Goblin | I think the people who have been hurt by social networking are the ones who had no regard for what they were doing. | Aug 15 13:45 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: use tags | Aug 15 13:45 |
| cubezzz | a couple of them at least | Aug 15 13:45 |
| cubezzz | I thought I did | Aug 15 13:45 |
| schestowitz | oh, you did | Aug 15 13:45 |
| schestowitz | the channel view hides these | Aug 15 13:45 |
| _Goblin | stalking, harassment and bullying are not created by the social networking sites themselves, they are created by the users. Its just in this day and age its always someone elses fault...nobody seems to take personal responsibility any more. | Aug 15 13:46 |
| cubezzz | that's true | Aug 15 13:48 |
| cubezzz | tech is neutral | Aug 15 13:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] I guess one person will try to stop this Motorola/Google deal, he already tried once to stop the Oracle/SUN deal with s... http://b1t.it/wcD | Aug 15 13:48 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - I guess one person will try to stop this Motorola/Google… .::. Size~: 38.07 KB | Aug 15 13:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] First two questions to Google Motorola conference call are on patents. | Aug 15 13:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Austria adopts CKAN and CC-BY as nation-wide defaults - http://bit.ly/nzKIgB nice #at #cc | Aug 15 13:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] Custom #SVG #DOM events working! \o/ \o/ \o/ Now to get the game logic down. #Javascript rocks! | Aug 15 13:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Motorola mobility have 17,000 issued patents and 7,000 pending. | Aug 15 13:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @satipera: #Motorola mobility have 17,000 issued patents and 7,000 pending. | Aug 15 13:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @glynmoody: Austria adopts CKAN and CC-BY as nation-wide defaults - http://bit.ly/nzKIgB nice #at #cc | Aug 15 13:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @greve "War on innovation" a.k.a. software patent carousel spinning ever faster: Google buys Motorola as shield against Apple: http:/ ... | Aug 15 13:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @greve Cost of this shield: 12.5B USD. But what about SMEs which create >99% of all jobs in Europe and typically do not have 35B USD ... | Aug 15 13:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Supercharging Android: Google to Acquire Motorola Mobility - http://bit.ly/nkvpLG Larry Page adds his tupporth... #android #swpats | Aug 15 13:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Google Motorola conf call asked if this will remove the need to pay licensing fees. Question was sidestepped. | Aug 15 13:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] What? FOSSpatents has no blog entry available on the Motorola/Google deal? Did his sources fail to tell him? Oh my! | Aug 15 13:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @unhosted Last chance to become a Crowd Angel for our project is now! http://unhosted.org/ | Aug 15 14:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @jukkaeklund How about taking another look at !MeeGo now, after Google/Moto deal.. | Aug 15 14:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] #OSCON round-up: Open source isn't declining. It's maturing. by @webmink | http://t.co/7LCwg9x #opensource oscon | Aug 15 14:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @opensourceway #OSCON round-up: Open source isn't declining. It's maturing. by @webmink | http://t.co/7LCwg9x #opensource oscon | Aug 15 14:05 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: OSCON round-up: Open source isn't declining. It's maturing. | opensource.com .::. Size~: 48.29 KB | Aug 15 14:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RD RD RD @glynmoody: Supercharging Android: Google to Acquire Motorola Mobility - http://bit.ly/nkvpLG #android #swpats | Aug 15 14:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] It is just a rumour that Ballmer is throwing chairs around right now. It is also just a rumour that Steve Jobs didn'... http://b1t.it/wcS | Aug 15 14:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @jrobertson: the CIA has never had it so good. #google | Aug 15 14:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Are software patents the "scaffolding of the tech industry"? - http://bit.ly/mP5VMk er, no, actually... #swpats | Aug 15 14:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Attack targeting open-source web app keeps growing • The Register http://ping.fm/HZjPr | Aug 15 14:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @eebrah @psquid True, but I've always like #Javascript even when I am tearing my hair out in frustration :) | Aug 15 14:12 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Attack targeting open-source web app keeps growing • The Register .::. Size~: 26.25 KB | Aug 15 14:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The BBC and #Copyright - http://bit.ly/pQfOIb interesting: more complex than you might think (v @dheadshot) | Aug 15 14:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Seems the statements by other Android licensees were quite coordinated, to put it friendly. Not that I am surprised, I ... http://b1t.it/wcZ | Aug 15 14:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I wonder how the #BBC would accurately attribute a fantastic image from an account named SkullFucker on daytime TV | Aug 15 14:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Will hardware makers trust Google after Motorola buy? (GigaOm): http://bit.ly/oa7969 | Aug 15 14:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] it'd be funny to see the broadcasters dying to use that image but not able to properly attribute it before the watershed | Aug 15 14:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Google, can we haz patent promise for your arsenal for Open Source at least? | Aug 15 14:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Microsoft's 'Linux Threat Level': Down to Green or Redder Than Ever? http://tinyurl.com/444yamw | Aug 15 14:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Indonesia: Military docs reveal unlawful spying in Papua | HRW http://t.co/oxFDXNo | Aug 15 14:28 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux News: Community: Microsoft's 'Linux Threat Level': Down to Green or Redder Than Ever? .::. Size~: 62.75 KB | Aug 15 14:28 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Breaking news this morning: Google's bid for Motorola: http://t.co/xDpkMZ3 What's your take? | Aug 15 14:30 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google Goes Soup-To-Nuts On Android With Bid For Motorola | TechCrunch .::. Size~: 54.38 KB | Aug 15 14:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @jwildeboer Seems the statements by other Android licensees were quite coordinated, to put it friendly. Not that I am surprised, I .. ... | Aug 15 14:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Google buys Motorola Mobility for $12.5B (Computerworld): http://bit.ly/o0FyA9 | Aug 15 14:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @joabj Google buys Motorola Mobility for $12.5B (Computerworld): http://bit.ly/o0FyA9 | Aug 15 14:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @portenkirchner Supercharging Android: Google to Acquire Motorola Mobility http://goo.gl/A03Lx | Aug 15 14:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @jwildeboer: Google, can we haz patent promise for your arsenal for Open Source at least? | Aug 15 14:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Google to buy Motorola mobility http://lwn.net/Articles/454983/rss | Aug 15 14:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @eebrah RD: @jwildeboer: Google, can we haz patent promise for your arsenal for Open Source at least? | Aug 15 14:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @jpope I'm loving the faenza icons on my !android. ADW theme | Faenza - Android Market - http://b1t.it/wcP | Aug 15 14:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] C++0x is unanimously approved (Herb Sutter): http://bit.ly/n5J8lS | Aug 15 14:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RO: Interoperability requirements force Ministry to block open source — http://tinyurl.com/3jk73dc #romania #foss #gnu #gpl #fsfe # | Aug 15 14:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] UN invites budding creators to enter competition on technology innovation - http://bit.ly/ra9SMa but what will metric be? (v @VenessaMiemis) | Aug 15 14:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @mohanpram Oh so this is all the fuss is about, Google to by Motorola's hardware business! http://yhoo.it/niHI1F | Aug 15 14:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Shared a post "Supercharging Android: Google to Acquire Motorola Mobility Since its launch in November 2007, Android h... http://b1t.it/wds | Aug 15 14:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] I knew it was photoshopped :-) https://plus.google.com/103886450128333300031/posts/S7BSjVokuJF | Aug 15 14:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] HP updates dependency mapping software (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/pSbczI | Aug 15 14:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Chinese Gaming Company Recognizes That 'Pirates' Are Underserved Customers - http://bit.ly/rhDDTz #china ahead of the game again... | Aug 15 14:52 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] When in Romania... http://tinyurl.com/3glf8ac #gnu #linux #opensource #egovt #romania | Aug 15 14:52 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Chinese Gaming Company Recognizes That 'Pirates' Are Underserved Customers | Techdirt .::. Size~: 30.02 KB | Aug 15 14:52 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Via +Jürgen Geuter - Seems Apple's lawyer worked a bit on the aspect ratio of an imported picture to "strengthen" ... http://b1t.it/wdC | Aug 15 14:58 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - Via +Jürgen Geuter - Seems Apple's lawyer worked a bit on… .::. Size~: 44.05 KB | Aug 15 14:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @greve Political equivalent of Clarke's 3rd law http://ur1.ca/1w24: "Any sufficiently advanced corruption is indistinguishable from i ... | Aug 15 15:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] Five levels of ISP evil, right here in the USA. http://corp.sonic.net/ceo/2011/08/11/the-five-levels-of-isp-evil/ #tor #sonicnet | Aug 15 15:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] What happens if your web series doesn’t hit it big? (GigaOm): http://bit.ly/ogZvhG | Aug 15 15:02 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: What happens if your web series doesn’t hit it big? — Online Video News .::. Size~: 149.49 KB | Aug 15 15:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Debunking popular open source myths http://tinyurl.com/4xgd354 #opensource | Aug 15 15:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] +Jan Stedehouder might be interested in this. https://plus.google.com/110139382669917044155/posts/PWWXBHf1uVD | Aug 15 15:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @zotz: well, copies certainly exist for some of those... | Aug 15 15:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 15/8/2011: Dumping Mac OS X, Linux 3.1 RC2 http://techrights.org/2011/08/15/links-1582011-dumping-mac-os-x-linux-3-1-rc2-arrives/ | Aug 15 15:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] RT @swedenvsassange: Assange Judgement expected in October: http://t.co/eTvWN3A #wljul #wikileaks | Aug 15 15:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] “Lei Azeredo” só pode ser vetada pela presidenta - http://bit.ly/nIWSGV things looking bad in #brazil (v @ncruz77) | Aug 15 15:10 | |
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| amarsh04 | http://www.abc.net.au/4corners/stories/2011/08/15/3291474.htm | Aug 15 15:10 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] drinking hot ginger | Aug 15 15:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] It's time to switch to free and open source software http://tinyurl.com/3asarxv #opensource | Aug 15 15:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] This is cute. Thanks to all our followers #PresidentAssange http://t.co/wWuYenG | Aug 15 15:13 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Its time to switch to free and open source software : Abhik Sen: India Today .::. Size~: 28.42 KB | Aug 15 15:13 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] MPL 2.0-rc1 http://lwn.net/Articles/454993/rss | Aug 15 15:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] O prințesă pentru copiii României http://tinyurl.com/3b8ovp7 #romania #monarchy #children | Aug 15 15:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @freedomboxfndn Reminder: FreedomBox IRC meeting is today 9am UTC-6 (in 1 hour) http://is.gd/OlyUDY !freedombox #fb | Aug 15 15:15 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] A simulation of the Neolithic transition in Western Eurasia http://arxiv.org/abs/1104.1905 !science !biology | Aug 15 15:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @meegoexperts Integral Calculating Mathematical Integrals – #Maemo http://mge.bz/jk #Nokia #N900 | Aug 15 15:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Poll: How big a player will Microsoft's Windows be in the future? http://tinyurl.com/3e9vzbn | Aug 15 15:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @glynmoody “Lei Azeredo” só pode ser vetada pela presidenta - http://bit.ly/nIWSGV things looking bad in #brazil (v @ncruz77) | Aug 15 15:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @sudaraka !Firefox 6.0 hits FTP ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/firefox/releases/6.0/ (http://t.co/Nnh68aF /via @mashable) | Aug 15 15:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @eightyeight so, thoughts on #google acquiring #motorola mobility for $12.5 billion? i'll admit it, i'm a fan. http://goo.gl/GXz0v !a ... | Aug 15 15:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Andrew Boff "They are not their kids they are the communities". A politician struggles with his collective and individualist tendencies. | Aug 15 15:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Wäre mal spannend wie +Udo Vetter und +Thomas Stadler das bewerten. Apple hat wohl in seinem Antrag auf eV das Bild vo... http://b1t.it/wdS | Aug 15 15:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - Wäre mal spannend wie +Udo Vetter und +Thomas Stadler das… .::. Size~: 41.49 KB | Aug 15 15:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] I can't believe I accidentally went to Ikea on no-sales-tax weekend. Such chaos mine eyes have ne'er seen. | Aug 15 15:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] "will.i.am...says that the vessel capsized and sank in a crowd friday around 10:30 local time sunday." @x11r5 You are my one news source! | Aug 15 15:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @christopheradam If you want to control your destiny, you have to go into hardware. (À propos Google × Motorola) | Aug 15 15:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Spiegel on the 11 month failure to return over 3000 stolen WikiLeaks submissions http://t.co/wpSw8LE | Spiegel | Aug 15 15:28 | |
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| DrumScum | Mhh, | Aug 15 15:29 |
| DrumScum | a good alternate name for Google+ would've been Facebook+ | Aug 15 15:29 |
| DrumScum | :-p | Aug 15 15:29 |
| oiaohm | DrumScum: so by that google is doing a good job. | Aug 15 15:29 |
| DrumScum | I must say that I like Google's take on social networking way better than Facebook's | Aug 15 15:30 |
| DrumScum | never could grok facebook | Aug 15 15:30 |
| DrumScum | sooo chaotic | Aug 15 15:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Google pays 12.5bn USD for Motorola Mobility - has it become this expensive to be allowed to play in the software business? #swpat !fsfe | Aug 15 15:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Dutch court will not decide on Samsung v Apple case before october 13th and allows selling of the galaxy tab 10.1 witho... http://b1t.it/wd3 | Aug 15 15:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @karsten Google pays 12.5bn USD for Motorola Mobility - has it become this expensive to be allowed to play in the software business? ... | Aug 15 15:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks: Is Russia about to Annex the North Pole? http://t.co/hjcz91c | Aug 15 15:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Good morning Internets. | Aug 15 15:37 | |
| _Goblin | DrumScum: I can't really comment RE: Facebook as Ive only glanced at it and refused to use....that being said, evil or not Google has created a great tech discussion forum. | Aug 15 15:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] █████ ████ everything ███ █████ is█████ ████ fine ████ ███ ██████ love █████ █ your █ ████ government #wikileaks | Aug 15 15:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Rotten to the Core - http://bit.ly/oaixVw not just #Apple behaving badly with Community #designs: they are a huge future threat #eu | Aug 15 15:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] In light of recent events, we repeat our sole statement about Daniel Domschiet-Berg http://t.co/uPaYs4E | Aug 15 15:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @lwnnet MPL 2.0-rc1 http://lwn.net/Articles/454993/rss | Aug 15 15:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Here's hoping that Google will make Motorola patents available for implementation in #freesoftware incl GPL - defensive acquisition, right? | Aug 15 15:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @glynmoody: Rotten to the Core - http://bit.ly/oaixVw not just #Apple behaving badly with Community #designs they are a huge future threat | Aug 15 15:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] To all googleplus newbs, please do fill out some basic info on your profile and upload a profile picture before you sta... http://b1t.it/wec | Aug 15 15:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Happy liberation day, India & Korea! | Aug 15 15:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Building a Civic Commons | http://t.co/Lbhx6hL #opensource #opengov #gov20 #collaboration | Aug 15 15:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] gotta love the people whose dent's end with a shortened link......which takes you to a webpage with that same dent + a few extra words | Aug 15 16:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] RD @karsten Here's hoping that Google will make Motorola patents available for implementation in #freesoftware incl GPL... | Aug 15 16:05 | |
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| GoForbes28 | schestowitz: you were right: http://www.cbc.ca/fp/story/2011/08/15/5256332.html | Aug 15 16:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google snaps up Motorola Mobility for $12.5B - Business - CBC News .::. Size~: 49.87 KB | Aug 15 16:07 |
| GoForbes28 | Well, that ends all nonsense rumours about Motorola joining the Thug Cartel, no? | Aug 15 16:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] ISP CEO Slams Copyright Law and Outdated Business Models - http://bit.ly/rjr8sd somebody who knows what he is talking about #nz | Aug 15 16:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Jim Zemlin on 20 Years of Linux: http://t.co/rWKuZwM < via @techcrunch @smerrill #linux20th #linuxcon | Aug 15 16:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @glynmoody ISP CEO Slams Copyright Law and Outdated Business Models - http://bit.ly/rjr8sd somebody who knows what he is talking .. | Aug 15 16:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD .. about #nz | Aug 15 16:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Stealing Isn't Saving, But Sharing Isn't Stealing - http://bit.ly/pfzFiE #MPAA is a broken record - maybe they think they are the #RIAA? | Aug 15 16:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] http://aprogrammerslife.info/2011/08/04/moments-of-a-programmers-life/ | Aug 15 16:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] The Five - Fifteen Rule Redux - Sarah Hoyt and The Speed of Writing: http://wayneborean.ca/?p=83 #amwriting #MyWANA | Aug 15 16:15 | |
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| Ziomatrix | has Google validated Apple & MS. closed ecosystem or is it more a matter of the real threat their software patents possess? http://tinyurl.com/3d282zv | Aug 15 16:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google buying Motorola for $12.5 billion, proving vertical integration is the way to go | The #1 HP webOS, TouchPad, Pre, and Veer Community | PreCentral.net .::. Size~: 73.46 KB | Aug 15 16:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Motorola acquisition means !Google gets 17,000 patents, 3 times Nortel’s, with 7,500 pending • by Paul Sawers http://ping.fm/5BSm6 | Aug 15 16:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Media gave Domscheit-Berg platform to smear WikiLeaks while Washington attacked. Will they now report his exposure as a fraud? | Aug 15 16:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Motorola acquisition means Google gets 17,000 patents, 3 times Nortel's .::. Size~: 93.79 KB | Aug 15 16:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Suck on it, AppleSoft — Google pulls a rope-a-dope - http://bit.ly/qUH0mu shrewd analysis of why #google big pi billion for Nortel patents | Aug 15 16:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Outlook Business India feature on copyleft http://ur1.ca/4x4g3 with @rms, @ninapaley, me. Love the archery story. | Aug 15 16:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] there needs to be a giant statue in #Minecraft of #IanDury #Blockheads | Aug 15 16:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] VISA helps people join the KKK. But VISA won't let you donate to Wikileaks http://t.co/jtoZV4n | Aug 15 16:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Open and Transparent Government - Declaration by NZ government - http://bit.ly/nLxcik good to see (v @petersuber) #ogov #transparency | Aug 15 16:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] New blog post: Apple seemingly photoshopped to make its point in Samsung case http://ur1.ca/4x4he | Aug 15 16:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] SmartOS (based on IllumOS) released - with KVM http://lwn.net/Articles/455008/rss | Aug 15 16:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] "Patents are the new basketball cards" (Gizmodo): http://gizmo.do/p6vuL3 | Aug 15 16:35 | |
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| DaemonFC | The process firefox-bin (with pid 11903) is using approximately 2.4 GB of memory. | Aug 15 16:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Romanian government tender prohibits open source http://tinyurl.com/3logd3t #opensource | Aug 15 16:38 | |
| DaemonFC | you just can't make this shit up | Aug 15 16:38 |
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| DaemonFC | The process firefox-bin (with pid 11903) is using approximately 2.4 GB of memory. | Aug 15 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | It is using 2.4 GB privately, and a further 14.0 MB that is, or could be, shared with other programs. | Aug 15 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | Dividing up the shared memory between all the processes sharing that memory we get a reduced shared memory usage of 3.6 MB. Adding that to the private usage, we get the above mentioned total memory footprint of 2.4 GB. | Aug 15 16:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Has Google wasted $12bn on a dud patent poker-chip? (El Reg): http://bit.ly/o1CV9Q | Aug 15 16:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @jwildeboer: New blog post: Apple seemingly photoshopped to make its point in Samsung case http://ur1.ca/4x4he | Aug 15 16:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The "#Tiger State" loses its sobriquet - http://bit.ly/qKpM91 can you imagine a world without tigers? you won't have to soon... #india | Aug 15 16:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Busted: US+PayPal are still stopping you from donating to WikiLeaks http://t.co/NrQZ4jv http://t.co/jtoZV4n | Aug 15 16:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] With the release of Muse, Adobe automates website design for arty Luddites (Register): http://bit.ly/nGlUca | Aug 15 16:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] HTML5 offers powerful new features, but spec limitations may prevent it from unseating native apps (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/owRBDH | Aug 15 16:45 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] IAB Calls on #ICANN to Withdraw Controversial Plan for New Top-Level Domains - http://tcrn.ch/qrDEuY if even *they* are against it... | Aug 15 16:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Morning folks! How are you all doing today? Hope all is well! | Aug 15 16:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] The Vancouver Ubuntu LoCo Team do an excellent job in writing a Unity book - http://is.gd/U9cNQ5 #ubuntu #unity | Aug 15 16:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] just figured out how to use !duckduckgo for search in !gnome-shell, possible blog post on how to do it later... | Aug 15 16:57 | |
| DaemonFC | Google has switched from Clang to GCC for binary builds of Chrome and Chromium | Aug 15 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | as of the 15 series | Aug 15 16:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] Mark has an interesting blog entry on Corporate Desktops and Ubuntu - http://is.gd/JIa8w4 #ubuntu | Aug 15 16:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Pew: 13% of cell owners have pretended to use their phone in order to avoid interacting with people http://tinyurl.com/3oumg4a | Aug 15 16:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] RT @jwildeboer New blog post: Apple seemingly photoshopped to make its point in Samsung case http://ur1.ca/4x4he | Aug 15 16:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] any plans to integrate the personal menu in !gnome3 with !empathy in 3.2? the available/away thing is currently, you know, useless.. !gnome3 | Aug 15 17:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Do you believe in MD ... Malevolent Design? http://www.smbc-comics.com.nyud.net/index.php?db=comics&id=2309#comic | Aug 15 17:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Building a personal data locker - http://bit.ly/q6D4Wh with code... #privacy | Aug 15 17:10 | |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qubitarkhive/status/103105762007580672 | Aug 15 17:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @qubitarkhive: @schestowitz perhaps we can fork IBM's open office and gain the patent coverage http://t.co/VwOe4HC | Aug 15 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/qubitarkhive/status/103107628720336896 | Aug 15 17:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @qubitarkhive: @schestowitz #GPL *is* viral (Wikipedia) http://t.co/iXnpKpR http://t.co/PUZawrR | Aug 15 17:11 |
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| schestowitz | nope | Aug 15 17:12 |
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| schestowitz | trolls | Aug 15 17:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Very glad to see Google buy Motorola Mobility. The can take the patents, sell off the hardware to someone & extend patent protection. #fb | Aug 15 17:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] yet again the #Mint forums time out, this is getting pathetic | Aug 15 17:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Links 15/8/2011: Dumping Mac OS X, Linux 3.1 RC2 http://techrights.org/2011/08/15/links-1582011-dumping-mac-os-x-linux-3-1-rc2-arrives/ | Aug 15 17:12 | |
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| schestowitz | [16:08] <GoForbes28> Well, that ends all nonsense rumours about Motorola joining the Thug Cartel, no? | Aug 15 17:12 |
| schestowitz | yes | Aug 15 17:12 |
| schestowitz | In said so | Aug 15 17:12 |
| schestowitz | that it was gonna happen | Aug 15 17:12 |
| schestowitz | [16:07] <GoForbes28> schestowitz: you were right: http://www.cbc.ca/fp/story/2011/08/15/5256332.html | Aug 15 17:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google snaps up Motorola Mobility for $12.5B - Business - CBC News .::. Size~: 50.12 KB | Aug 15 17:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Google buys Motorola for patents. i said so yesterday :-) | Aug 15 17:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] holy crap! the !n810 booted up and I'm quite the happy camper | Aug 15 17:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] I've been told folks familiar with DMERI that Patrick Tan never spent time at DMERI (contrary to his CV). Come clean, Tony. #sgpolitics #fb | Aug 15 17:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Hey, #google didn't lose Nortel because it bid a silly amount. It lost because the other guys bid *more*. | Aug 15 17:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Motorola counter-sued #Microsoft to defend Android. Google has some case to inherit and pump lawyers (money hole) into. http://ur1.ca/4x4oq | Aug 15 17:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] lol! PAP MP Penny Low's NDP foopah - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdMufsn9SLs #fb | Aug 15 17:23 | |
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| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/80888530 | Aug 15 17:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @agentsmith's status on Monday, 15-Aug-11 16:21:00 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz It will be a nice fight to see now. Now it's Google Vs Micro$haft... No more Goliath Vs Davi, but Goliath Vs imbecile Ballmer. | Aug 15 17:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] GNU: A new fragrance by RMS: http://i.imgur.com/3QwYF.jpg | Aug 15 17:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Guess the web browser game http://i.imgur.com/H4lcN.jpg | Aug 15 17:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Sunny Days of GNU/Linux http://ur1.ca/4x4qk #gnu #linux | Aug 15 17:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] http://coffee.jezra.net/coffee/20110815 #sip_and_click | Aug 15 17:37 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] RT @opentrends From Linux Today: How Linux handles hardware problems http://bit.ly/r8EXc9 | Aug 15 17:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Motorola Dumps Windows, Opposite of Nokia http://techrights.org/2011/02/16/motorola-sanity/ | Aug 15 17:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] I guess +Loic Le Meur remembers this moment very well at LeWeb. https://plus.google.com/107169881344097643176/posts/9BkpZa7CqAu | Aug 15 17:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Riots Are Over, Problems Are Not http://ur1.ca/4x4tx #uk #riots #unrest #economy | Aug 15 17:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] 3044 Authors, one article. Publish or Perish, they say :-) https://plus.google.com/112435942355572461782/posts/gfdRjWZ4861 | Aug 15 17:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Riots Are Over, Problems Are Not http://ur1.ca/4x4tx #povertyAsACrime #england #london #manchester | Aug 15 17:47 | |
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| schestowitz | https://identi.ca/notice/80888998 | Aug 15 17:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Danny (tekk)'s status on Monday, 15-Aug-11 16:29:46 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz firefox/chrome/opera/safari/IE9 (More fun games maybe?) | Aug 15 17:48 |
| schestowitz | http://i.imgur.com/H4lcN.jpg | Aug 15 17:48 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @jeffjarvis Google/Motorola deal is sad commentary on waste created by our screwed-up patent system. So much capital going to defense... | Aug 15 17:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @anivar: LARRY PAGE: This Is Why We're Spending $12.5 Billion On Motorola http://t.co/65Q7mxY | Aug 15 17:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @johndrinkwater interesting. Google gets: defensive patents for Android, JavaME licence, another WebM HW supporter, and HW R&D branch ... | Aug 15 17:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @einfeldt: ♻ @davidrdesign: Debt increase by presidents: Reagan 186%, Bush 54% Clinton 41% Bush II 72% Obama 23%. Source CBO | Aug 15 17:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Don't look now, but there is a big 800 kg Googorola in the room :-). #fb | Aug 15 17:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] RT @johndrinkwater interesting. Google gets: defensive patents for Android, JavaME licence, another WebM HW supporter, and HW R&D branch ... | Aug 15 17:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #BBC: Use of photographs from social media in our output - http://bbc.in/qY9FcW the official response: sounds reasonable (v @heatherAtaylor) | Aug 15 17:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @wikileaks Media gave Domscheit-Berg platform to smear WikiLeaks while Washington attacked. Will they now report his exposure as a fraud? | Aug 15 17:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @wikileaks In light of recent events, we repeat our sole statement about Daniel Domschiet-Berg http://t.co/uPaYs4E | Aug 15 17:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @jonobacon: Mark has an interesting blog entry on Corporate Desktops and Ubuntu - http://t.co/JIGw20c #ubuntu | Aug 15 17:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] RT @harishpillay Don't look now, but there is a big 800 kg Googorola in the room :-). #fb | Aug 15 18:02 | |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: what's up? Can you posts some fun blog posts? :-) | Aug 15 18:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] RT @freedomboxfndn they're all the same: Google+ pulls a Facebook too, shares data with 3rd party without your consent http://is.gd/cAMC ... | Aug 15 18:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Can Windows Phone 7 survive Google buying Motorola? http://tinyurl.com/3pp3ve8 #windows #microsoft #motorola #google #swpats #romania | Aug 15 18:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @freedomboxfndn they're all the same: Google+ pulls a Facebook too, shares data with 3rd party without your consent http://is.gd/cAMC ... | Aug 15 18:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @harishpillay Don't look now, but there is a big 800 kg Googorola in the room :-). #fb | Aug 15 18:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] In #Boston? Come join me for trivia tonight at The Haven in JP -- http://thehavenjp.com/2011/08/trivia/ | Aug 15 18:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] A technical talk on #freedombox http://bit.ly/rsBBc9 | Aug 15 18:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Our next webcast w/ @MITOCW & Cecilia d'Oliveira: What's next for MIT's OpenCourseWare? Register at http://red.ht/npP5pj #oywf | Aug 15 18:13 | |
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| ender2070 | ohhhhhhh | Aug 15 18:15 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] One day he says"But in general, it's true that Motorola is in a far better position than HTC -- and most other Andr... http://b1t.it/wfd | Aug 15 18:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @opensourceway Our next webcast w/ @MITOCW & Cecilia d'Oliveira: What's next for MIT's OpenCourseWare? Register at http://red.ht/npP5 ... | Aug 15 18:22 | |
| ender_33_ | schestowitz - not saying viral is bad, but it doesn't work for everyone and some want more freedom (those using permissive licenses don't care about 'code theft') | Aug 15 18:24 |
| ender_33_ | Digsby, a terrible IM client loaded with spyware is an example | Aug 15 18:24 |
| ender_33_ | I asked the webkit devs if they cared that digsby was using their code | Aug 15 18:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Quotes from !Android partners Facts about !Google's acquisition of #Motorola http://t.co/DTilNfP | Aug 15 18:25 | |
| ender_33_ | digsby is proprietary | Aug 15 18:25 |
| *amarsh04_ is now known as amarsh04 | Aug 15 18:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Latest Entrant Into The Economically Clueless, Luddite 'Internet Is Evil' Book Category - http://bit.ly/qnGiU3 @mmasnick does the necessary | Aug 15 18:28 | |
| schestowitz | webkit LOL | Aug 15 18:32 |
| schestowitz | Apple... | Aug 15 18:32 |
| schestowitz | long weekend... I had a troubling one... messed up my server with Puppy on it... Not my own fault... rebuilt it yesterday... I want to test some work-related code I work on, on this server.. From some mistakes we learn. In this case, the mistake was trying to install something additional on Puppy. But eventually it was a happy story cause I got something much better: Debian with KDE4. | Aug 15 18:32 |
| schestowitz | khtml is nice | Aug 15 18:32 |
| schestowitz | I use konqueror almost all the time now | Aug 15 18:32 |
| ender_33_ | meh webkit gets the best acid score | Aug 15 18:38 |
| ender_33_ | it *is* open source | Aug 15 18:38 |
| ender_33_ | I was looking at the apache license today and when I read your article on IBM it got me thinking | Aug 15 18:39 |
| ender_33_ | LibreOffice should re-fork | Aug 15 18:39 |
| ender_33_ | Cause, when IBM contributes apache licensed code they give up their patents with it | Aug 15 18:40 |
| ender_33_ | just like they would under GPLv3 | Aug 15 18:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Now installing !Debian on my laptop; this is freakin' easy !fs | Aug 15 18:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] New beowulf cluster at EDF (200 Tflops) based on !Debian 6.0 Squeeze http://bit.ly/oGp8JO | Aug 15 18:40 | |
| ender_33_ | the issue I think you have is that the code *could* be used in a proprietary office suite | Aug 15 18:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @johndrinkwater interesting. Google gets: defensive patents for Android, JavaME licence, another WebM HW supporter, and HW R&D branch ... | Aug 15 18:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] Android and the GPLv2 death penalty http://lwn.net/Articles/455013/rss | Aug 15 18:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Micro$haft is really a comedic company: Microsoft declares victory over Linux http://ur1.ca/4x523 | Aug 15 18:43 | |
| amarsh04 | schestowitz - this package just entered Debian unstable: circos http://circos.ca | Aug 15 18:47 |
| amarsh04 | it's a configuration file driven visualisation tool | Aug 15 18:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Swindon fans got into Oxfords ground and stained STFC on the grass. Funny if people were not likely to get hurt over it. #localrivalry | Aug 15 18:50 | |
| schestowitz | nice | Aug 15 18:50 |
| schestowitz | i'm talking to a client today about an error tracking tool | Aug 15 18:50 |
| schestowitz | which invoked auto-failover | Aug 15 18:51 |
| amarsh04 | as seen publications such as Science and Nature | Aug 15 18:51 |
| amarsh04 | as seen in | Aug 15 18:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @schestowitz ♻ @einfeldt: ♻ @davidrdesign: Debt increase by presidents: Reagan 186%, Bush 54% Clinton 41% Bush II 72% Obama 23%. Sour ... | Aug 15 19:00 | |
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| Blueshift | Hi there! | Aug 15 19:00 |
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| schestowitz | Hi | Aug 15 19:01 |
| schestowitz | Are you moving away from our planet, blueshift? | Aug 15 19:01 |
| Blueshift | I am researcher with blue shit and I was wondering if I could talk to someone about the IP industry | Aug 15 19:02 |
| Blueshift | er blue shift | Aug 15 19:02 |
| Blueshift | Not really no | Aug 15 19:02 |
| Blueshift | I am trying to move more into it | Aug 15 19:02 |
| schestowitz | hehe | Aug 15 19:02 |
| schestowitz | That typo could get you flegged as a troll :-) | Aug 15 19:02 |
| schestowitz | *flagged | Aug 15 19:02 |
| Blueshift | I know right! | Aug 15 19:02 |
| Blueshift | It's unfortunate. But, what can one do? | Aug 15 19:03 |
| schestowitz | anyway, what in particular do you wish to know? | Aug 15 19:03 |
| schestowitz | We're mostlly s/w developers AFIK | Aug 15 19:03 |
| schestowitz | The lawyers are mostly in sites like Groklaw AFAIK, although they have geeks too | Aug 15 19:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @harishpillay Don't look now, but there is a big 800 kg Googorola in the room :-). #fb | Aug 15 19:03 | |
| Blueshift | Well I have about seven questions regarding IP valuation, an over view of the industry and the intel auction | Aug 15 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Intel? | Aug 15 19:04 |
| Blueshift | Intel had a giant patent auction that was valued at 1.5 mil and the patents wound up going for 4.5 billion | Aug 15 19:04 |
| Blueshift | My company is trying to a market evaluation with a focus on Acacia Research corp about the implications of all that | Aug 15 19:05 |
| Blueshift | You got an email and about ten minutes schestowitz? | Aug 15 19:06 |
| schestowitz | let's see... | Aug 15 19:06 |
| schestowitz | Which address did you send this to? | Aug 15 19:07 |
| schestowitz | [i have 22 addresses] | Aug 15 19:07 |
| schestowitz | I can't find any | Aug 15 19:07 |
| Blueshift | I didn't. I pressed contact and it got me the IRC | Aug 15 19:07 |
| Blueshift | I am not finding a direct email. Perhaps my observational skills need improvement. Tell you what. I 'll give you mine and if you're interested I'l bounce back the interview questions. Sound fair? | Aug 15 19:09 |
| Blueshift | kwieler @ att <dot> net | Aug 15 19:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Guess who else wanted to buy #Motorola? - http://bit.ly/phRZTv #Microsoft, so the rumour goes; now that would have been, er, interesting | Aug 15 19:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Monday's security updates http://lwn.net/Articles/455015/rss | Aug 15 19:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @boycottnovell European Procurement Rules Need Review for Built-in Bias http://ur1.ca/4v1cm #eu #romania #italy HT @rsandu | Aug 15 19:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] The term "cyberwar" is still not very well defined, even by the DoD (Slate): http://slate.me/r3zpNv | Aug 15 19:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Despite the British PM calling for "An all out war on gangs" The Met (London police) have not found a link with gangs so far. #riots | Aug 15 19:13 | |
| *schestowitz catches up | Aug 15 19:14 | |
| schestowitz | [19:13] <Blueshift> hey you still there? | Aug 15 19:14 |
| schestowitz | yes, but multitasking. Hang on.. | Aug 15 19:14 |
| schestowitz | I'm compling some code of mine. | Aug 15 19:14 |
| Blueshift | right on. Take your time. I am in no particular hurry. | Aug 15 19:14 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] After North Sea Oil Spill, #Shell Prepares to Drill in Arctic Where There is ‘No Infrastructure’ for Clean-Up - http://bit.ly/p1835V mad | Aug 15 19:15 | |
| schestowitz | hi jono | Aug 15 19:18 |
| schestowitz | jono: in your 2nd ed of the book, maybe you should consider a chapter on entryism | Aug 15 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Namely, how companies like your opposition send minions into your project to stir up trouble in the community | Aug 15 19:19 |
| schestowitz | Like Manish from Microsoft | Aug 15 19:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Government should sell ad space on dot-gov websites, entrepreneur says (NextGov): http://bit.ly/oTkNtW | Aug 15 19:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Giving Jolicloud another run after being very unimpressed in the past.....Lets see how it goes on a underpowered netbook. | Aug 15 19:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] RT @glynmoody Guess who else wanted to buy #Motorola? - http://bit.ly/phRZTv #Microsoft, so the rumour goes; now that would have been, e ... | Aug 15 19:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Oh and yes....I'm back..... Surrender your booty! | Aug 15 19:20 | |
| schestowitz | [19:05] <Blueshift> My company is trying to a market evaluation with a focus on Acacia Research corp about the implications of all that | Aug 15 19:20 |
| schestowitz | what is the focus on wrt acacia? | Aug 15 19:20 |
| schestowitz | how does it relate to Intel's patent sales? | Aug 15 19:21 |
| Blueshift | I meant to type Nortel I am very sorry,. Acacia is one of the largest patent protection firms who has recently aquired more that 30000 patents | Aug 15 19:22 |
| Blueshift | what we are trying to figure out is the basic state of the industry and how to fairly valuate this company. | Aug 15 19:22 |
| schestowitz | [19:09] <Blueshift> I am not finding a direct email. Perhaps my observational skills need improvement. Tell you what. I 'll give you mine and if you're interested I'l bounce back the interview questions. Sound fair? | Aug 15 19:22 |
| schestowitz | Interview? | Aug 15 19:22 |
| Blueshift | one of the ways of doing that is to get color from industry experts and enginiers | Aug 15 19:22 |
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| schestowitz | [19:22] <Blueshift> I meant to type Nortel I am very sorry,. Acacia is one of the largest patent protection firms who has recently aquired more that 30000 patents | Aug 15 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Acacis is a patent troll | Aug 15 19:23 |
| Blueshift | It's about seven general survay questions | Aug 15 19:23 |
| schestowitz | And its parented by another | Aug 15 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Something like Global IP or something like that (can't remember offhand) | Aug 15 19:23 |
| schestowitz | It's another massive racket | Aug 15 19:23 |
| Blueshift | well that's a strong concencus. But, I need industry experts to say that none the less | Aug 15 19:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft also wanted to buy Motorola (GigaOm): http://bit.ly/nJOWHV | Aug 15 19:23 | |
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| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Acacia | Aug 15 19:24 |
| schestowitz | These are also used by companies against their rivals, passing on patents to them so that they can pretend not to use patent offensively while they continue to hoard these | Aug 15 19:25 |
| schestowitz | For instance, Intel can pass some patents to a troll who then sued AMD | Aug 15 19:25 |
| Blueshift | Our reasearch is saying that it's not parented by global IP but rather has 3 sperate LLC's one being the publically traded company. is it possible I could send you an email so that you can see what I am looking for? | Aug 15 19:26 |
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| Blueshift | right and IBM does that with Aca and has a number of insular licencing agrements with them | Aug 15 19:26 |
| schestowitz | [19:22] <Blueshift> what we are trying to figure out is the basic state of the industry and how to fairly valuate this company. | Aug 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | For what purpose? | Aug 15 19:27 |
| schestowitz | And what can AT&T do to help techrights reverse/revert the patent system to a sane state" | Aug 15 19:28 |
| Blueshift | To see if we can recomend investing in it or not. It's basically that simple. We need to know if this is a viable model or if it's just ambulance chasing and therefore subject to being shut down by legislation | Aug 15 19:28 |
| schestowitz | [19:26] <Blueshift> Our reasearch is saying that it's not parented by global IP but rather has 3 sperate LLC's one being the publically traded company. is it possible I could send you an email so that you can see what I am looking for? | Aug 15 19:29 |
| schestowitz | We are hoping to put an end to patent troll | Aug 15 19:29 |
| Blueshift | because the other pressure is that it seems like how IP or more specifically tech patents are going to be redefined. | Aug 15 19:29 |
| schestowitz | So what do these questions do to help? | Aug 15 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Those valuations of patents, post-Nortel and post-Motorola, only make the problem worse | Aug 15 19:30 |
| schestowitz | They raise the market value of patents | Aug 15 19:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @Valleywag: Google Is Reborn Creepier and Meaner http://t.co/34Tz1M1 | Aug 15 19:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @wikileaks: Security flaws in OpenLeaks (note, also, GoDaddy is US controlled) http://t.co/l0QyDKg | Aug 15 19:30 | |
| Blueshift | I don't know if it ultimatly helps or not. What you get from this is an industry wide report to see what the tempature is. What we get is a fair valuation of the company. | Aug 15 19:30 |
| schestowitz | For recommendation? | Aug 15 19:31 |
| schestowitz | I mean, valuations alone can help validate rogue operations | Aug 15 19:31 |
| Blueshift | If this company is just a patent troll then we report back and say "No this isn't a viable model" That gets some coverage. People don't want to put long term investments in that | Aug 15 19:31 |
| schestowitz | There is growing pressure to change the US patent system | Aug 15 19:32 |
| schestowitz | it marginalises entrants | Aug 15 19:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Future of The Internet (And How to Stop It) - A Dialog with Jonathan Zittrain Updating His 2008 Book - http://bit.ly/rb3h0A good stuff | Aug 15 19:32 | |
| schestowitz | I am more interested in explaining what Acacia does and not what is is worth | Aug 15 19:32 |
| Blueshift | Ac isn't "rouge' it's publically traded. I mean imagine being able to say "MCI/World Com is crap" 9-10 months before that. That's what this valuation potentially is. | Aug 15 19:32 |
| Blueshift | Anyway its just a few questions you can be as anon as you want. You can say whatever you want. I will just report it back. Can we do this? | Aug 15 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Who is being approached for an assessment? | Aug 15 19:33 |
| schestowitz | Nobody would buy Acacia | Aug 15 19:33 |
| schestowitz | It's just a pile of patents | Aug 15 19:33 |
| schestowitz | And a part of clusters of them | Aug 15 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Intelelctual Ventures is said to have exceeded 1300 proxies (LLCs) | Aug 15 19:34 |
| Blueshift | So far I have interviewed around 7 lawyers and the guy at awaken IP . IF you have other souces I am happy to have them | Aug 15 19:34 |
| schestowitz | Lawyers.. | Aug 15 19:34 |
| schestowitz | That's no good | Aug 15 19:34 |
| schestowitz | They are biased | Aug 15 19:34 |
| schestowitz | They make money from this stuff | Aug 15 19:34 |
| schestowitz | That's why I asked | Aug 15 19:35 |
| schestowitz | I know Awaken IP | Aug 15 19:35 |
| schestowitz | Your survey will be tilted | Aug 15 19:35 |
| schestowitz | If you ask the wrong population subset | Aug 15 19:35 |
| schestowitz | and some approach lobbyists, too, like FlorianM | Aug 15 19:35 |
| Blueshift | It's part of the segment. Also licence companies and so forth. I mean really the people who potentially invest here don't understand how the industry works. You do. Let us know what's up. That's what's on the table | Aug 15 19:35 |
| Blueshift | right so I am aproaching you because people like you are part of our evaluation subset | Aug 15 19:36 |
| schestowitz | I think the survey that you mentioned is already being skewed by selection | Aug 15 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Allow me to ask this | Aug 15 19:36 |
| schestowitz | As a bit of a statistician | Aug 15 19:36 |
| schestowitz | How many non-lawyers have you approached? | Aug 15 19:36 |
| schestowitz | How many agreed to answer questions | Aug 15 19:36 |
| schestowitz | How many of those who agreed were lawyers? | Aug 15 19:36 |
| schestowitz | Cause you can end up with a selection bias | Aug 15 19:37 |
| Blueshift | So far I have aproached about 15 inventors/enginers and about 10 licencing companies. I have looked at 5-7 industry pages. I am in the early stages here. Like I said if you have better valuation metrics let me know | Aug 15 19:37 |
| schestowitz | And then issue some report that merely reflects the opinion of those who are enthusiastic about Acacia's racketeering operations (pardon the reality of it) | Aug 15 19:37 |
| schestowitz | So you got 7 lawyers/similar from licensing companies? | Aug 15 19:38 |
| schestowitz | How many of the engineers agreed to particularity? | Aug 15 19:38 |
| schestowitz | I am trying to help here | Aug 15 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Cause if you do a study, make sure it's balanced based on the real population | Aug 15 19:39 |
| schestowitz | For example, there are far more engineers than lawyers specuialising in patents | Aug 15 19:39 |
| schestowitz | And you need to take that into account | Aug 15 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Otherwise, even a survey of 1000 people would be invalid, as it doesn't assimilate with the real distribution of assessments | Aug 15 19:40 |
| schestowitz | I see IDC playing those dirty games all the time | Aug 15 19:40 |
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| schestowitz | In fact, almost all analysts do that. It's done for clients. | Aug 15 19:40 |
| schestowitz | And then you need to ask who commissions those surveys | Aug 15 19:40 |
| Blueshift_ | I missed a bunch of what you just said. | Aug 15 19:40 |
| schestowitz | [19:39] <schestowitz> Cause if you do a study, make sure it's balanced based on the real population | Aug 15 19:40 |
| schestowitz | [19:39] <schestowitz> For example, there are far more engineers than lawyers specuialising in patents | Aug 15 19:40 |
| schestowitz | [19:39] <schestowitz> And you need to take that into account | Aug 15 19:41 |
| schestowitz | [19:40] <schestowitz> Otherwise, even a survey of 1000 people would be invalid, as it doesn't assimilate with the real distribution of assessments | Aug 15 19:41 |
| schestowitz | [19:40] <schestowitz> I see IDC playing those dirty games all the time | Aug 15 19:41 |
| Blueshift_ | can we move to the phone or email please? | Aug 15 19:41 |
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| schestowitz | [19:40] <schestowitz> In fact, almost all analysts do that. It's done for clients. | Aug 15 19:41 |
| schestowitz | [19:40] <schestowitz> And then you need to ask who commissions those surveys | Aug 15 19:41 |
| Blueshift_ | Roy, | Aug 15 19:41 |
| schestowitz | OK, but first I need to find out who commissions this study | Aug 15 19:41 |
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| Blueshift_ | I don't know who commisioned this. I can give you the name of my project lead | Aug 15 19:42 |
| schestowitz | Can you ask him who pays for this survey? It's important. | Aug 15 19:42 |
| Blueshift_ | my company etc. | Aug 15 19:42 |
| schestowitz | In my field of academia it affects outcomes; it would be the same with industry | Aug 15 19:43 |
| Blueshift_ | Well I yes I can. But the truth is this might just be an idea that someone had | Aug 15 19:43 |
| schestowitz | but who is the client that's after this survey\? | Aug 15 19:43 |
| schestowitz | the one who asked your company to conduct it? | Aug 15 19:43 |
| Blueshift_ | that then they are going to either recommend or based on the initial feedback | Aug 15 19:43 |
| Blueshift_ | What I am saying to you is that this might not even be how this project came to be | Aug 15 19:44 |
| schestowitz | recommend to whom though? | Aug 15 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Who asked your company to do this survey? | Aug 15 19:44 |
| schestowitz | It matters to me | Aug 15 19:44 |
| Blueshift_ | Generally speaking investment groups. What I am saying is that this company was slected by evaluation due to some idea from a project lead. Someone in the company wants to look at IP | Aug 15 19:45 |
| schestowitz | So it's peripheral investors then.. | Aug 15 19:45 |
| schestowitz | I guess | Aug 15 19:45 |
| Blueshift_ | No one hired us to do this per se. IT's possible and I can find out. But, the truth is that I am likely not working for anyone other than my lead. These aren't people knowledgable about the industry so the questions are very basic. | Aug 15 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Well, then I would like to participate | Aug 15 19:46 |
| Blueshift_ | ecellent | Aug 15 19:46 |
| schestowitz | But it's conditional upon the survey being fair | Aug 15 19:46 |
| schestowitz | I.e. not just asking 'IP' people | Aug 15 19:46 |
| schestowitz | BTW, there is no such thing as IP | Aug 15 19:46 |
| schestowitz | There ae patents, copyrights, | Aug 15 19:46 |
| schestowitz | And trademarks | Aug 15 19:46 |
| schestowitz | those are actual laws | Aug 15 19:46 |
| schestowitz | IP is a buzzword | Aug 15 19:46 |
| Blueshift_ | now would like my email or phone and I can send you slightly more details. It's all very brief. Honestly, if you know people I should be talking to I will talk to them too | Aug 15 19:46 |
| schestowitz | Like I said, it's based upon it being a balanced survey | Aug 15 19:47 |
| schestowitz | So if, as you say, you had a turnout of mostly lawyers, then I'd consider it to be an invalid survey | Aug 15 19:47 |
| schestowitz | And thus not cooperate with it | Aug 15 19:47 |
| Blueshift_ | Roy, I just want to move to phone or email. I am not looking to get married | Aug 15 19:47 |
| schestowitz | So it ought to be shown that it's done properly | Aug 15 19:47 |
| schestowitz | The 'IP' people would tell you to up the money in so-called 'protection' of IP firms | Aug 15 19:48 |
| schestowitz | It's a patent troll | Aug 15 19:48 |
| schestowitz | To IP people it's a gold mine | Aug 15 19:48 |
| schestowitz | Something to leech with | Aug 15 19:48 |
| schestowitz | And they oughtn't be massively present in the survey | Aug 15 19:48 |
| Blueshift_ | They may. But, Blueshift doesn't see that as a viable long term investment. | Aug 15 19:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Apple's evidence may be flawed in European Samsung case - http://bit.ly/pEWyZc "aspect ratio of the alleged Galaxy Tab is clearly distorted" | Aug 15 19:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Lawsuit dismissal removes cloud over #Alzheimer's research - http://bit.ly/nbykum more #genepatents threatening science (v @wilbanks) | Aug 15 19:48 | |
| schestowitz | Blueshift_: we can do that here in IRC | Aug 15 19:49 |
| schestowitz | And not in E-mail | Aug 15 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Unless it's a secretive survey | Aug 15 19:49 |
| schestowitz | I.e. secret question | Aug 15 19:49 |
| Blueshift_ | no | Aug 15 19:49 |
| schestowitz | Possible push-polling | Aug 15 19:49 |
| Blueshift_ | But then I can't send you the report. This all very peliminary smal scale stuff you. | Aug 15 19:49 |
| schestowitz | why is it secretive | Aug 15 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Studies are better done openly | Aug 15 19:50 |
| schestowitz | So that people canaudit tghem | Aug 15 19:50 |
| schestowitz | For example | Aug 15 19:50 |
| Blueshift_ | It's not secret. i | Aug 15 19:50 |
| schestowitz | to check who was surveyed | Aug 15 19:50 |
| schestowitz | The background | Aug 15 19:50 |
| schestowitz | And what was aksed | Aug 15 19:50 |
| schestowitz | i.e. was there an attempt to phrase questions so as to get particular answers | Aug 15 19:50 |
| Blueshift_ | The end report, what we do with it is propriatary, We might do nothing with it | Aug 15 19:50 |
| schestowitz | why should I conrtribute to proprietary surveys? | Aug 15 19:51 |
| schestowitz | I can see what's in it for your company | Aug 15 19:51 |
| Blueshift_ | but if we do then someone has to pay for the information. When you participate you get the collective infor for free. YOu want it public I don't mind that my comapny doesn't either. | Aug 15 19:51 |
| schestowitz | For me--free labour for some else's study that I cannot show in public | Aug 15 19:51 |
| Blueshift_ | You can show it in public | Aug 15 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Oh, information for free | Aug 15 19:51 |
| schestowitz | I have a 100 Mbit Ethernet | Aug 15 19:52 |
| Blueshift_ | There is nothing saying you can't | Aug 15 19:52 |
| schestowitz | I get _lots_ of info for free :-) | Aug 15 19:52 |
| schestowitz | PubMed is good | Aug 15 19:52 |
| Blueshift_ | well it might not mean anything to you then. | Aug 15 19:52 |
| Blueshift_ | But it's what we offer | Aug 15 19:52 |
| Blueshift_ | shall we start? | Aug 15 19:52 |
| schestowitz | in IRC? | Aug 15 19:52 |
| schestowitz | Causr you said: | Aug 15 19:52 |
| schestowitz | in IRC?[19:51] <Blueshift_> You can show it in public | Aug 15 19:53 |
| schestowitz | So I guess it means we can start | Aug 15 19:53 |
| Blueshift_ | Industry Specialists. 1.What is your opinion of the intellectual property industry? 2.How has the IP industry changed since the Nortel patent auction? 3.What is your opinion or thoughts of the Acacia business model? Is it viable? Is it simply a vehicle to promote litigation? 4.What are your thoughts on Acacia’s revenue sharing split of 50% - 50%? How does that compare to industry standards or other leading paten | Aug 15 19:53 |
| schestowitz | maybe we can answer as a group, too :-) :-) | Aug 15 19:53 |
| Blueshift_ | That's fair but I would like everyone's name, if possible | Aug 15 19:53 |
| schestowitz | > 1.What is your opinion of the intellectual property industry? | Aug 15 19:54 |
| schestowitz | Blueshift_: sure | Aug 15 19:54 |
| Blueshift_ | 5.Why do customers select Acacia to represent their patents? What strengths do they demonstrate that their competitors do not? 6.Do you have any idea of the patent portfolio value of Acacia? (They report over 180 patent portfolios) How might one get a handle on the value of the patent portfolio? | Aug 15 19:54 |
| Blueshift_ | These are the questions | Aug 15 19:54 |
| schestowitz | The industry of patents, copyrights, and trademarks is a curious phenomenon that uses monopolies on knowledge or works | Aug 15 19:54 |
| Blueshift_ | Let's go with 1 1.What is your opinion of the intellectual property industry? | Aug 15 19:54 |
| schestowitz | It is based on the taking of ideas or works (code, poems, etc.) from the public and then selling them back for a fee | Aug 15 19:55 |
| schestowitz | I think it's an industry that brings a lot of resentment | Aug 15 19:55 |
| schestowitz | The public increasingly realises that this industry offers nothing to it | Aug 15 19:55 |
| schestowitz | And it wants reform | Aug 15 19:55 |
| schestowitz | Copyright trolls like righthaven and patent trolls like IV further validate this opinion | Aug 15 19:55 |
| schestowitz | > 2.How has the IP industry changed since the Nortel patent auction? | Aug 15 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Nortel was sold for monopolies it had on particular ideas | Aug 15 19:56 |
| schestowitz | 20-yea monopolies | Aug 15 19:56 |
| schestowitz | It was sold into a cartel comprising foes of Android in particular | Aug 15 19:56 |
| schestowitz | To exert pressure and extort money from a successful rival | Aug 15 19:57 |
| schestowitz | through samsung, motorola, etc. | Aug 15 19:57 |
| Blueshift_ | Why would you call it a cartel? | Aug 15 19:57 |
| schestowitz | A cartel is a joining of several groups... | Aug 15 19:57 |
| schestowitz | To achieve a goal that harms their surroundings | Aug 15 19:57 |
| schestowitz | E.g. price-fixing cartels | Aug 15 19:57 |
| schestowitz | A conspiracy to defraud the public | Aug 15 19:57 |
| schestowitz | Or to make phones expensive | Aug 15 19:58 |
| Blueshift_ | Right but if what you are saying is correct wouldn't this be illeagal? | Aug 15 19:58 |
| schestowitz | The high cost for which nortel was sold shows that the use of patents to impede rivals is a valuable new instrument for competition | Aug 15 19:58 |
| schestowitz | Blueshift_: many things that are done are illegal | Aug 15 19:58 |
| schestowitz | And I could give example | Aug 15 19:58 |
| Blueshift_ | indeed. I am just asking if you think something criminal occured here | Aug 15 19:59 |
| schestowitz | But their prevalence and politics surrounding them keep them out of federal intervention -- for now | Aug 15 19:59 |
| schestowitz | CPTN, built around Novell's sold patents, came under US DOJ inteevention | Aug 15 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Action was taken | Aug 15 19:59 |
| schestowitz | As it was seen as anti-compeitive | Aug 15 19:59 |
| schestowitz | And the sale was limited | Aug 15 19:59 |
| schestowitz | Canadian regulars and US regulators alike reacted similarly to the Nortel affair | Aug 15 20:00 |
| Blueshift_ | Fair enough. Is this you full answer to 2? | Aug 15 20:00 |
| schestowitz | It's work in progress | Aug 15 20:00 |
| Blueshift_ | okay | Aug 15 20:00 |
| schestowitz | !google patents nortel compire | Aug 15 20:00 |
| schestowitz | !google patents nortel andrid | Aug 15 20:00 |
| Blueshift_ | I have. I need your opinion. Nobody really is looking for mine here. | Aug 15 20:00 |
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| schestowitz | !google patents nortel andrid | Aug 15 20:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Nortel patent portfolio buyers face Justice ... - Android Central | http://www.androidcentral.com/nortel-patent-portfolio-buyers-face-justice-department-investigation | Aug 15 20:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Justice Department Making Sure Nortel Patents Weren't Purchased ... | http://www.droid-life.com/2011/08/01/justice-department-making-sure-nortel-patents-werent-purchased-simply-to-hobble-smartphones-running-android/ | Aug 15 20:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Google's Rivals Win Nortel Patents, May Target Android - Mobiledia | http://www.mobiledia.com/news/96431.html | Aug 15 20:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Google loss in Nortel patent bids undermines Android, analyst says ... | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9218096/Google_loss_in_Nortel_patent_bids_undermines_Android_analyst_says | Aug 15 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | Blueshift_: ok, just defending my claim | Aug 15 20:01 |
| Ziomatrix | and Applegate continues: http://bit.ly/rlkg11 | Aug 15 20:01 |
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| schestowitz | hi, Ziomatrix, wb | Aug 15 20:01 |
| schestowitz | 3.What is your opinion or thoughts of the Acacia business model? Is it viable? Is it simply a vehicle to promote litigation? | Aug 15 20:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] @eebrah "Strongly encouraged" is more like it | Aug 15 20:02 | |
| schestowitz | It depends on federal actions | Aug 15 20:02 |
| schestowitz | I suggest you consider: | Aug 15 20:02 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: cleaning | Aug 15 20:02 |
| schestowitz | !google life npr patents | Aug 15 20:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Intellectual Ventures And The War Over Software Patents : Planet - NPR | http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/07/26/138576167/when-patents-attack | Aug 15 20:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The Tuesday Podcast: The Patent War : Planet Money : NPR | http://www.npr.org/blogs/money/2011/08/05/138934689/the-tuesday-podcast-the-patent-war | Aug 15 20:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Podcast: When Patents Attack! - This American Life (NPR ... | http://www.directionsmag.com/podcasts/when-patents-attack-this-american-life-npr/191973 | Aug 15 20:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - When Patents Attack! | This American Life | http://www.thisamericanlife.org/radio-archives/episode/441/when-patents-attack | Aug 15 20:02 |
| schestowitz | The public was outraged after this recent broadcast | Aug 15 20:02 |
| schestowitz | About IV | Aug 15 20:02 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: it is but it's distructive | Aug 15 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Whose business model strongly resembles Acacia's | Aug 15 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: yes | Aug 15 20:03 |
| schestowitz | very | Aug 15 20:03 |
| schestowitz | Thankfully, I'm not in the US | Aug 15 20:03 |
| schestowitz | So Acacia's business model is volatile... upon the government's attitude towards patent reofrm | Aug 15 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Either patent scope or patent trolls (NPEs) | Aug 15 20:04 |
| schestowitz | Acacia is a non-practising entity (NPE) | Aug 15 20:04 |
| schestowitz | The public now understands those bring nothing of value to the public | Aug 15 20:04 |
| schestowitz | And calls for abolishment | Aug 15 20:04 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: But considering the US is still the first collumn in world commerce and most countries follow one another through the WTO.. | Aug 15 20:05 |
| schestowitz | But IMHO, the US economy does so badly that this whole suicidal fawning for patent trolls is just going to escalate | Aug 15 20:05 |
| schestowitz | And China too is hoarding patents | Aug 15 20:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] The day the bank came home. Another one of my NY Times best-selling business books. | Aug 15 20:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] The days are long and dull. 8 days to go. | Aug 15 20:05 | |
| schestowitz | So it's a lost cause on an intl' basis | Aug 15 20:05 |
| schestowitz | When the US market loses its luster (e.g. due to debt), companies can stop exporting to the US | Aug 15 20:05 |
| schestowitz | And thus avoid the wrath of US-based patent trolls | Aug 15 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Whose patents are valid within USPTO/ITC scope | Aug 15 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: but who's behind WTO? | Aug 15 20:06 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: China doesn't follow trademarks as far as foreign companies are concerned. Note all the fraudulent Apple stores. | Aug 15 20:06 |
| schestowitz | Apple is a trademark company | Aug 15 20:06 |
| schestowitz | !google Apple brand value | Aug 15 20:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Apple Brand Value at $153 Billion Overtakes Google for Top Spot ... | http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-05-09/apple-brand-value-at-153-billion-overtakes-google-for-top-spot.html | Aug 15 20:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Apple Brand Value at $153 Billion Overtakes Google for Top Spot ... | http://www.businessweek.com/news/2011-05-09/apple-brand-value-at-153-billion-overtakes-google-for-top-spot.html | Aug 15 20:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Apple's brand value hits $153B, lands top spot ahead of Google ... | http://venturebeat.com/2011/05/09/apple-brand-value-153b/ | Aug 15 20:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Apple Brand Experience | http://www.slideshare.net/korhan/apple-brand-experience-presentation | Aug 15 20:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Slipped off identica's all time list. | Aug 15 20:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Reminder: Half a dozen new pairs of socks. | Aug 15 20:07 | |
| schestowitz | Now Apple's brand is not enough | Aug 15 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Androuid is gaining | Aug 15 20:07 |
| schestowitz | So it becomes more of a patents company too | Aug 15 20:07 |
| schestowitz | Its copyrights are used too | Aug 15 20:07 |
| schestowitz | !google psystar apple copyright eula | Aug 15 20:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Psystar Corporation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psystar_Corporation | Aug 15 20:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Apple v. Psystar and the undying EULA question | http://www.yalelawtech.org/eulas-clickwrap/apple-v-psystar-and-the-undying-eula-question/ | Aug 15 20:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Psystar Says Apple EULA is BS | http://www.tomsguide.com/us/Psystar-Apple-Copyright-EULA-OSX,news-3206.html | Aug 15 20:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Apple Scores Big in Case Against Psystar | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/apple-psystar-copyright-infringement,9080.html | Aug 15 20:07 |
| schestowitz | 4.What are your thoughts on Acacia’s revenue sharing split of 50% - 50%? How does that compare to industry standards or other leading patent | Aug 15 20:08 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: Sony also uses it's EULA for legal action. | Aug 15 20:08 |
| schestowitz | I do not know of other companies' in this field and how they deal their cards for investors | Aug 15 20:08 |
| ender_33_ | 14:57 < schestowitz> [i have 22 addresses] | Aug 15 20:08 |
| ender_33_ | lol | Aug 15 20:08 |
| schestowitz | 5.Why do customers select Acacia to represent their patents? What strengths do they demonstrate that their competitors do not? | Aug 15 20:08 |
| schestowitz | Acacia is a proxy that cannot be sued back | Aug 15 20:09 |
| schestowitz | Patent trolls or NPEs are a way of suing indirectly and not risking a countersuit | Aug 15 20:09 |
| schestowitz | It shatters their competitors | Aug 15 20:09 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: Is that Acacia "Research" Corp? | Aug 15 20:09 |
| schestowitz | 6.Do you have any idea of the patent portfolio value of Acacia? (They report over 180 patent portfolios) How might one get a handle on the value of the patent portfolio? | Aug 15 20:09 |
| schestowitz | They merely buy patents from others | Aug 15 20:10 |
| schestowitz | And announce this in press releases | Aug 15 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Then they go around extorting companies without fear of being sued back | Aug 15 20:10 |
| schestowitz | The public can see that | Aug 15 20:10 |
| schestowitz | And then they have reputation damage | Aug 15 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Like (V | Aug 15 20:10 |
| schestowitz | IV | Aug 15 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Despite using 1300+ proxies (LLCs) | Aug 15 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Acacia itself is a proxy too | Aug 15 20:10 |
| schestowitz | They use these as bad PR absorption mechanisms | Aug 15 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Like RIAA for Sony | Aug 15 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Or BSA for Microsoft | Aug 15 20:11 |
| schestowitz | And even if they use thousands of many small 'shells', people can join the dota | Aug 15 20:11 |
| schestowitz | *dots | Aug 15 20:11 |
| schestowitz | And then they get the public coming after them with metaphorical pitchforks | Aug 15 20:11 |
| schestowitz | So no matter what Acacia does not | Aug 15 20:12 |
| schestowitz | *now | Aug 15 20:12 |
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| schestowitz | Reputable companies would not want to buy it | Aug 15 20:12 |
| schestowitz | It's bad for one's image | Aug 15 20:12 |
| schestowitz | To buy and pay a troll | Aug 15 20:12 |
| schestowitz | And Acacia's extortion can be impeded by corrective legislation | Aug 15 20:12 |
| schestowitz | Which, IMHO, seems increasingly likely and imminent in the US | Aug 15 20:12 |
| Blueshift_ | Other than the proxy sistuation, why else would someone want to use Acacia? | Aug 15 20:13 |
| schestowitz | "IP" people would tell you what they hope | Aug 15 20:13 |
| schestowitz | In tell you what the public thinks in general | Aug 15 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Other people are apathetic because they just don't understand this debate exist at all | Aug 15 20:13 |
| schestowitz | *exists | Aug 15 20:13 |
| schestowitz | [20:13] <Blueshift_> Other than the proxy sistuation, why else would someone want to use Acacia? | Aug 15 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Some people might do asset sales | Aug 15 20:14 |
| schestowitz | And run out of physical things to offload | Aug 15 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Then they throw out there old patents | Aug 15 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Which patents-hoarding companies might buy | Aug 15 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Not for much | Aug 15 20:14 |
| schestowitz | I spoke to one over the past week via E-mail | Aug 15 20:15 |
| schestowitz | These people are left poor | Aug 15 20:15 |
| Blueshift_ | Who else do you think I should be talking to about this? | Aug 15 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Acacia goes after large companies from which they can claim high 'damages' | Aug 15 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Blueshift_: several... | Aug 15 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Hold on.. | Aug 15 20:15 |
| Blueshift_ | okay | Aug 15 20:15 |
| Ziomatrix | anyway back to cleaning | Aug 15 20:16 |
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| schestowitz | "Webbink, Mark" <Mark.Webbink@nyls.edu> | Aug 15 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Pamela Jones <pj2@groklaw.net> | Aug 15 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Pieter <ph@imatix.com> | Aug 15 20:16 |
| schestowitz | Benjamin Henrion <bhenrion@ffii.org> | Aug 15 20:17 |
| schestowitz | Alberto Barrionuevo <abarrio@ffii.org> | Aug 15 20:17 |
| schestowitz | André Rebentisch <andre@openstandards.de> | Aug 15 20:17 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: can you record a show tomorrow? | Aug 15 20:18 |
| Blueshift_ | Is it alright if I tell them you recomended them to me and enclose a copy of this log? | Aug 15 20:18 |
| _Goblin | Hopefully ..but it will be later. | Aug 15 20:18 |
| schestowitz | Blueshift_: that would be OK | Aug 15 20:18 |
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| Blueshift_ | Who do think Acacia's real customers are? | Aug 15 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Some of them are leading figures on the side of s/w developers | Aug 15 20:19 |
| Blueshift_ | I am as interested as I can be in that | Aug 15 20:19 |
| schestowitz | Webbink knows David Kappos | Aug 15 20:19 |
| Ziomatrix | Google's aqusitions may have been also to stave off further Android extortion? http://bit.ly/oYvUql | Aug 15 20:19 |
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| schestowitz | Acacia can have several customers | Aug 15 20:20 |
| Blueshift_ | frankly I have had a tough time talking to anyone who isn't essentially pro thier buisnes model | Aug 15 20:20 |
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| schestowitz | Either companies that want it to wage legal wars on competitors of the client | Aug 15 20:20 |
| schestowitz | See Acacia vs Novell, Red Hat | Aug 15 20:20 |
| schestowitz | But Acacia's business model might not be client-based | Aug 15 20:20 |
| schestowitz | It's based on extorting whoever will pay to settle | Aug 15 20:21 |
| schestowitz | If the cost of litigation is too great to bear | Aug 15 20:21 |
| schestowitz | This is why it'sometimes called blackmail | Aug 15 20:21 |
| schestowitz | [20:20] <Blueshift_> frankly I have had a tough time talking to anyone who isn't essentially pro thier buisnes model | Aug 15 20:21 |
| schestowitz | Even _we_ were not too keen on it. I was reluctant to answer at first because it seemed like it was possibly a self-validating study from IP people for IP people | Aug 15 20:22 |
| schestowitz | To pat themselves on the back on a job well done exerting money from people like us who actually write software | Aug 15 20:22 |
| Blueshift_ | Yeah what my company tries to do is cut down the signal to noise ratio on that | Aug 15 20:23 |
| Blueshift_ | it's an effort to do reality based buisness models. That can be tough. | Aug 15 20:24 |
| schestowitz | you need to classify your answerers | Aug 15 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Into sides | Aug 15 20:24 |
| schestowitz | whether their business is _like_ Acacia or _unlike_ it | Aug 15 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Or.. | Aug 15 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Whether it's an IP firm or not IP firm | Aug 15 20:25 |
| schestowitz | IP firms are maybe less than 1% of all firms | Aug 15 20:25 |
| schestowitz | You cannot poll just based on them | Aug 15 20:25 |
| schestowitz | It's like asking people of one tiny religion what they think of it and then extrapolate and say that the population at large agrees on the subject | Aug 15 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Based on a fringe group | Aug 15 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Ip people help other IP people, it's an echo chamber that's self-sustaining | Aug 15 20:26 |
| Blueshift_ | We agree which is why we have several catagories of people who we try to ask | Aug 15 20:28 |
| Blueshift_ | This is why I am asking you and hoefully obtaining a better idea who to ask and what the correct questions are to ask | Aug 15 20:29 |
| Blueshift_ | We aren't specifically intellectual property industry experts. | Aug 15 20:29 |
| Blueshift_ | If I have some follow up questions is it alright to come back to you with them? | Aug 15 20:30 |
| Blueshift_ | Here's one that I should probaly ask now 4.What are your thoughts on Acacia’s revenue sharing split of 50% - 50%? How does that compare to industry standards or other leading patent management firms? | Aug 15 20:31 |
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| schestowitz | Blueshift_: that's a question for "IP" people who are after financial interests | Aug 15 20:35 |
| schestowitz | I cannot compare one to another based on it | Aug 15 20:35 |
| schestowitz | maybe someone else here knows | Aug 15 20:35 |
| schestowitz | Atypically quiet in this channel today... | Aug 15 20:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Wow...its been 10 days since the last TechBytes episode...time I think to sort that out, now Im almost back to norm... | Aug 15 20:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Spring, Asshole, Autumn, Winter. That's 2011 I guess :-) | Aug 15 20:37 | |
| *amarsh04 is reading with interest... it reminds me of the days when I thought it was worth spending money on non-free software | Aug 15 20:38 | |
| Blueshift_ | lol | Aug 15 20:38 |
| schestowitz | or patents? | Aug 15 20:38 |
| Blueshift_ | Thanks so much for your time Ray. I apreciate it | Aug 15 20:39 |
| schestowitz | some of my colleagues go after patents, but few | Aug 15 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Cause they don't quite know how to turn their work into money | Aug 15 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Patents are not the way | Aug 15 20:39 |
| schestowitz | esp. not if filed in another country | Aug 15 20:39 |
| schestowitz | Blueshift_: Roy | Aug 15 20:39 |
| Blueshift_ | I am sorry it was a typo | Aug 15 20:40 |
| Blueshift_ | please accept my apology | Aug 15 20:40 |
| Blueshift_ | what do you think the way is for a developer? | Aug 15 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Better than "Toy" as a typo | Aug 15 20:40 |
| schestowitz | I make that typo sometimes | Aug 15 20:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] WiMAX is Dead (Network World): http://bit.ly/oaqqW8 | Aug 15 20:40 | |
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| Blueshift_ | I think that depends on who you are flirting with, sir | Aug 15 20:40 |
| schestowitz | Blueshift_: developers market themselves and their work based on merit | Aug 15 20:40 |
| Blueshift_ | fair enough | Aug 15 20:41 |
| schestowitz | It their work gains wide acceptance, then their skill (the real scarcity) will be paid for | Aug 15 20:41 |
| schestowitz | patents are an artificial scarcity | Aug 15 20:41 |
| schestowitz | More so than copyrights | Aug 15 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Software gets copyrights automatically | Aug 15 20:41 |
| Blueshift_ | Do thinks that's true for patents that are based on more traditional consumer goods? like say a new type of agraculture thersher? | Aug 15 20:43 |
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| Blueshift_ | Roy would you like some contact information for me or are you good? | Aug 15 20:45 |
| amarsh04 | Blueshift_ - are you familiar with how patents impeded the progress of the steam engine or development of aircraft in early 20th century USA? | Aug 15 20:46 |
| Blueshift_ | In the general Eli Whitney didn't actually invent to cotton gin type way | Aug 15 20:46 |
| Blueshift_ | Why? what's up? | Aug 15 20:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Check out the @openrightsgroup petition opposing UK Prime Minister's investigation into social media censorship: https://eff.org/r.2Ab | Aug 15 20:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] So we have 4.5 billion USD for the Nortel patents, now some 12.5 billion USD for the Motorola patents and an economy th... http://b1t.it/wgB | Aug 15 20:47 | |
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| amarsh04 | or closer to your thresher, would the stump-jump plough have been as useful in Australia if its inventor had tried to maximise his income from the invention | Aug 15 20:47 |
| schestowitz | [20:43] <Blueshift_> Do thinks that's true for patents that are based on more traditional consumer goods? like say a new type of agraculture thersher? | Aug 15 20:48 |
| schestowitz | That's hardware patents | Aug 15 20:48 |
| schestowitz | A real mechanism that can be presented and demonstrated to the examiner from the patent office | Aug 15 20:48 |
| schestowitz | The way patents used to be ages ago | Aug 15 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Notice what type of patents Acacia uses | Aug 15 20:49 |
| Blueshift_ | Right. This is why I am asking about the distinction. Because, it seems clear these are two differnet things | Aug 15 20:49 |
| schestowitz | If In Re Bilski was to eliminate business method and software patents, Acacia would be kaput | Aug 15 20:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Security flaws in OpenLeaks (note, also, GoDaddy is US controlled) http://t.co/l0QyDKg | Aug 15 20:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is sandersch with 100 dents! | Aug 15 20:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Google turned its business partners into creepy sock puppets today (Valleywag): http://gaw.kr/nCFy7H | Aug 15 20:50 | |
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| schestowitz | A recent study I came across (not sure of source/validity) says that 40% of patents used by patent trolls like Acacia are on software | Aug 15 20:50 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, out of nearly 8 million patents granted over time, only about 150k can be classified as ones on software | Aug 15 20:51 |
| schestowitz | So see how dependent Acacia is on this criteria of patents staying valid | Aug 15 20:51 |
| schestowitz | *these | Aug 15 20:51 |
| schestowitz | Software patents have only been around since around the 1980s | Aug 15 20:51 |
| *amarsh04 wonders if Blueshift_ has seen the video "Patent Absurdity" | Aug 15 20:52 | |
| Blueshift_ | I have noy | Aug 15 20:52 |
| schestowitz | Some guy who 'invented' something relating to tire manufacturing | Aug 15 20:52 |
| Blueshift_ | I have not | Aug 15 20:52 |
| schestowitz | !google patent absurdity | Aug 15 20:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Patent Absurdity — How software patents broke the system | http://patentabsurdity.com/ | Aug 15 20:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - download - Patent Absurdity — How software patents broke the system | http://patentabsurdity.com/download.html | Aug 15 20:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Watch - Patent Absurdity — How software patents broke the system | http://patentabsurdity.com/watch.html | Aug 15 20:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Patent Absurdity Part 1 - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DKa4L0jGF_-Q | Aug 15 20:52 |
| Blueshift_ | This sounds like CC security system with Ware. | Aug 15 20:52 |
| Blueshift_ | I have heard that | Aug 15 20:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] When knowledge is outlawed only outlaws will have knowledge: Obama Crafts New Anti-WikiLeaks Law http://t.co/QdbR8D7 | Aug 15 20:53 | |
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| schestowitz | "[Y]ou're creating a new 20-year monopoly for no good reason." -David Kappos, Director of the USPTO | Aug 15 20:54 |
| Blueshift_ | That's an interesting quote | Aug 15 20:55 |
| Blueshift_ | Alright people, esp you Roy thanks so much for your time. I will likely be back. Again if you all want contact info for me just let me know | Aug 15 20:56 |
| schestowitz | please do come back if you see it as necessary | Aug 15 20:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] If Only They'd Actually Help Enforce #GPL - http://bit.ly/oNd1tg indeed: until then, it's #fud #android | Aug 15 20:57 | |
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| schestowitz | we do try to explain those issues to those who are on the fence, so to speak | Aug 15 20:57 |
| schestowitz | We write a lot on the subject of software patents, e.g. http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Software_Patents_in_New_Zealand | Aug 15 20:57 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] New Plans For !Linux Long-Term Kernel Releases from Phoronix http://goo.gl/6Ub32 | Aug 15 20:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Mozilla Readies Its New Public License from Phoronix http://goo.gl/XHfGg | Aug 15 20:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] The future: Roving bands of armed sages hiding from imperialists in the third world, defending the last copy of...Wikileaks? | Aug 15 20:58 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [Phoronix] New Plans For Linux Long-Term Kernel Releases .::. Size~: 16.31 KB | Aug 15 20:58 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] 'Major' C++ revision receives standards blessing (Register): http://bit.ly/qPAeSN | Aug 15 21:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] False Alarm: XSS Vulnerability in !Wordpress 3.2.1 | Hacking Truths http://ping.fm/PjT2F | Aug 15 21:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Mobile Earthquake - GPL Compliance, Google Acquisitions, etc. - http://bit.ly/nZrl4O and this is *why* it's all #fud | Aug 15 21:00 | |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: i can do a show any day (morning, evening) this week, lots of stuff we can cover too! For episode 58... | Aug 15 21:01 |
| schestowitz | Mind you, Snit has been uncivilised here and in USENET while you were away | Aug 15 21:01 |
| Snit | By all means, do quote my being so, | Aug 15 21:02 |
| Snit | Please. | Aug 15 21:02 |
| *schestowitz installing krb5 | Aug 15 21:02 | |
| Snit | I welcome such support for your insults and accusations. | Aug 15 21:02 |
| schestowitz | 1927 installed on the new server so far.. | Aug 15 21:02 |
| schestowitz | packages.. | Aug 15 21:03 |
| Snit | LOL! Right: you make insults and accusations and when questioned about them you are busy. So, fair enough, set a time when you think you can actually support your claims. | Aug 15 21:03 |
| schestowitz | cyrus wants krb4 | Aug 15 21:03 |
| schestowitz | debian doesn't have it | Aug 15 21:03 |
| Snit | I mean, I asked you about your public accusations of my being dishonest in terms of KDE experience, and you were busy... and not only did you never get around to supporting your accusation - because it was false - you never admitted that. | Aug 15 21:03 |
| schestowitz | not squeeze anyway | Aug 15 21:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Apple Offers Flawed Evidence in LaApple Offers Flawed Evidence in Lawsuit against Samsung By Andreas Udo de Haes,wsuit against Samsung By An | Aug 15 21:03 | |
| Snit | So let us pick a time when you are willing to support your accusations. Clearly *now* is not a good time for you to do so. | Aug 15 21:04 |
| schestowitz | I wasn't always busy, I did answer you on that | Aug 15 21:04 |
| schestowitz | In length | Aug 15 21:04 |
| schestowitz | And then you changed the subject | Aug 15 21:04 |
| Snit | Fine... so pick a time when you can. | Aug 15 21:04 |
| schestowitz | Moving goalposts | Aug 15 21:04 |
| Snit | Nope. I did no such thing. The goal is the same: for you to support your accusation. | Aug 15 21:04 |
| schestowitz | I already picked a time when I answered you | Aug 15 21:04 |
| Snit | And you cannot. Face it, you simple cannot do so | Aug 15 21:04 |
| schestowitz | The time was a week ago | Aug 15 21:04 |
| Snit | So quote it. But you will not - because your accusation is false. | Aug 15 21:05 |
| schestowitz | You can read the log if you forgot this exchange | Aug 15 21:05 |
| Snit | But by all means, if you are busy now pick a time when you can support it. | Aug 15 21:05 |
| schestowitz | I have better things to do then merely REPEAT what I already wrote to you | Aug 15 21:05 |
| Snit | LOL! You will dodge until you turn green... I have read our exchanges and that is why I know you never supported your accusation. | Aug 15 21:05 |
| schestowitz | You used deflection | Aug 15 21:05 |
| Snit | You accused: "On the show he also said that he had tried KDE. Later it turned out that he lied because he said he had only judged it based on videos and/or screenshots.a | Aug 15 21:06 |
| Snit | There is nothing for me to "deflect"... there is your accusation which you cannot back up. | Aug 15 21:06 |
| Snit | You accused me of lying - but you cannot quote where I did so. | Aug 15 21:06 |
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| Snit | And when I called you on this you claimed I was trolling you. Poor you: when you make public accusations of dishonesty you are asked to actually quote the person you accuse being, you know, *dishonest*. | Aug 15 21:07 |
| schestowitz | brb | Aug 15 21:07 |
| Snit | But pick your time: if you are busy now maybe you can quote this "lie" of mine later today? Tomorrow? Next week? When... when are you going to quote this alleged lie of mine? | Aug 15 21:08 |
| Snit | Fair enough... but then I want a timeframe when you think you can find this quote where I, as you accuse, lied. | Aug 15 21:08 |
| Snit | No dodging or side issues... just a time when you can actually back your accusation. | Aug 15 21:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] This 2005 cable from the US emb. in Ankara questioning Turkey-Syria relations seems very appropriate today: http://t.co/A3nlxOt | Aug 15 21:08 | |
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| Snit | And we both know the answer: never. You made a false accusation and were called on it. And then whined you were being "trolled" to be called on your false accusation. That it was an "aggravation" to you to actually have to back your claims. | Aug 15 21:10 |
| Snit | Utter rubbish. | Aug 15 21:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @eff: Check out the @openrightsgroup petition opposing UK Prime Minister's investigation into social media censorship: eff.org/r.2Ab | Aug 15 21:12 | |
| ender_33_ | Ziomatrix - I think Google is acting like sun but instead of filing patents themselves they are buying them | Aug 15 21:13 |
| ender_33_ | To act defensively | Aug 15 21:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How Getting A #Patent Can Actually Be Detrimental To A Startup's Long Term Success - http://bit.ly/oLePHQ perceptive point | Aug 15 21:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Rixstep a series of articles loking into the Domscheit-OpenLeaks issue http://t.co/NbRQ0rV | Aug 15 21:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Did Apple Tamper With Evidence In German Apple v Samsung Case? http://bit.ly/rghg4x | Aug 15 21:15 | |
| ender_33_ | Blueshift_ you should also make a distinction between companies that claim they have products and advertise them vs ones who pretend to have a product lineup and sue for business income (SCO) | Aug 15 21:15 |
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| schestowitz | Snit: e already had that discussion | Aug 15 21:15 |
| schestowitz | Look that up | Aug 15 21:15 |
| schestowitz | You ask me to provide the same argument again | Aug 15 21:15 |
| schestowitz | I tell you that I gave it before | Aug 15 21:16 |
| amarsh04 | Blueshift_ left about 10 minutes ago | Aug 15 21:16 |
| schestowitz | And then you dance with your hands in the air claiming I don't respond | Aug 15 21:16 |
| Snit | We have had this discussion - and you cannot produce this "lie" of mine. | Aug 15 21:16 |
| schestowitz | amarsh04: his survey is tilted in favour of lawyers | Aug 15 21:16 |
| Snit | So I am asking you when you will be able to. | Aug 15 21:16 |
| schestowitz | So the question is, embargo it or try to strike more balance | Aug 15 21:17 |
| Snit | Today? Tomorrow? Next week? A month from now? | Aug 15 21:17 |
| schestowitz | now | Aug 15 21:17 |
| schestowitz | look in the IRC logs | Aug 15 21:17 |
| Snit | Poor you - you make false accusations you cannot back up... so you are being "trolled". | Aug 15 21:17 |
| schestowitz | We had this discussion before | Aug 15 21:17 |
| Snit | OK, quote the "lie" | Aug 15 21:17 |
| schestowitz | I did | Aug 15 21:17 |
| schestowitz | Look it up | Aug 15 21:17 |
| schestowitz | I need to compile some stuff right now | Aug 15 21:18 |
| Snit | So you quoted this "lie" sometime in your IRC channel without telling me and now want me to look it up. Utter BS deflection. | Aug 15 21:18 |
| schestowitz | Not have to do another annoying debate I already had with you | Aug 15 21:18 |
| Snit | Of course you are busy... no doubt. So pick a time when you will back up your accusation and quote this claimed "lie" from me. | Aug 15 21:18 |
| schestowitz | you further validated this lie | Aug 15 21:18 |
| schestowitz | that it was untrue from you | Aug 15 21:18 |
| amarsh04 | very good of you to point that out too schestowitz | Aug 15 21:19 |
| schestowitz | and then ran to other topics | Aug 15 21:19 |
| Snit | LOL! Poor you... it is "annoying" to have your accusations questioned. Poor mean Snit is asking you to actually quote the "lie" you accused him of telling. | Aug 15 21:19 |
| schestowitz | You already know damn well where we had this discussion and how to find it, verbatim | Aug 15 21:19 |
| Snit | Poor Schestowitz... called on his BS accusations. | Aug 15 21:19 |
| schestowitz | No | Aug 15 21:19 |
| Snit | I know we have had this discussuon and you ran... just as you are running now. And will run again. | Aug 15 21:19 |
| schestowitz | Called on having better things to do than defend the allegation he already defended last week | Aug 15 21:19 |
| _Goblin | wow.....back... | Aug 15 21:19 |
| _Goblin | whats happened whilst Ive been away for the past week? | Aug 15 21:20 |
| Snit | The reason: I did not lie. Heck, I even went so far as to quote ever comment I made about KDE in the show. None say or imply what you accuse. | Aug 15 21:20 |
| _Goblin | is it a full moon or something? | Aug 15 21:20 |
| _Goblin | a zombie appocalpse? | Aug 15 21:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] When Are #Patents Obvious? - http://bit.ly/o33q3s because of inventive #abundance (alternative way of saying this: http://bit.ly/rlXG6L | Aug 15 21:20 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] Warren Buffet sez "tax me harder, plz": http://www.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/opinion/stop-coddling-the-super-rich.html | Aug 15 21:20 | |
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| Snit | Hi Goblin: Roy brought up my name saying I was "uncivilised" | Aug 15 21:20 |
| Snit | I then jumped in to ask how... he has no answer for that | Aug 15 21:21 |
| _Goblin | Cool. | Aug 15 21:21 |
| _Goblin | Im uncivilised too | Aug 15 21:21 |
| _Goblin | I don't stand by convention. | Aug 15 21:21 |
| Snit | I also have asked him to quote the "lie" he accused me of telling when he said "On the show he also said that he had tried KDE. Later it turned out that he lied because he said he had only judged it based on videos and/or screenshots." | Aug 15 21:21 |
| Snit | And Roy, for some reason, cannot find the lie... nor will he commit to being able to quote it later today, tomorrow, next week or even a month from now. | Aug 15 21:21 |
| _Goblin | I suppose its too late to say....... | Aug 15 21:22 |
| Snit | He claims he told me already but, oddly enough, he cannot find it now. And, of course, I do not recall him ever quoting this "lie" from me. | Aug 15 21:22 |
| Snit | Anyway... that is what you are missing. I simply want Roy to back up his accusation or admit he made an error. | Aug 15 21:22 |
| Snit | Simple as that. | Aug 15 21:22 |
| _Goblin | Agree to differ? - I like you here Michael. I also like Roy.... puts me in a position I don't like, stuck in middle. | Aug 15 21:22 |
| Snit | And he is "deflecting | Aug 15 21:23 |
| Snit | I suspect if you were to ask Roy for the quote he might actually do something other than dodge... but not asking you to get in the middle. | Aug 15 21:23 |
| _Goblin | what I can say is that I judge you on my experience of you. I have no issues with you whatsoever and enjoy talking with you. | Aug 15 21:24 |
| _Goblin | and ofcourse you are very welcome here. (as far as Im concerned.) | Aug 15 21:24 |
| Snit | I do tend to harp on folks when they make accusations and then deflect... | Aug 15 21:24 |
| Snit | Thank you | Aug 15 21:24 |
| Snit | Just irks me that Roy would not only make an accusation but then start bad mouthing me because I simply want him to back up the accusation or admit it was made in error. | Aug 15 21:25 |
| _Goblin | You know what...I should have my own show Jerry Springer style........ | Aug 15 21:25 |
| _Goblin | :) | Aug 15 21:25 |
| Snit | LOL! | Aug 15 21:25 |
| Snit | Could be fun | Aug 15 21:25 |
| _Goblin | anyway, we need to set a wedding date (according to COLA).....what do you think a December wedding? ;) | Aug 15 21:26 |
| amarsh04 | back in a minute, restarting ipv6 tunnel... | Aug 15 21:26 |
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| Snit | I thought more about my own "Circus" show. I think it would fail - none of the "advocates" would be willing to be on it and actually have to defend their views. Which is sad. | Aug 15 21:26 |
| Snit | Oh and Happy Birthday! | Aug 15 21:26 |
| _Goblin | You'd get many listeners though... | Aug 15 21:26 |
| _Goblin | cheers! | Aug 15 21:26 |
| Snit | I will have to go ask my wife. :) | Aug 15 21:26 |
| _Goblin | you know come december, I'll be making that joke on Techbytes. | Aug 15 21:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Google/Android Patent Wars Highlight Need for Compulsory Licensing of #Patents - http://huff.to/qT3Uoq or #abolition... | Aug 15 21:27 | |
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| Snit | Well, it would be just me making points... but I might do that anyway. Heck, since it would be more tied to COLA, I could quote folks, offer a rebuttal (or agreement) and then offer to let them be on in case I was not fair to their view. | Aug 15 21:27 |
| Snit | Whoops... brb | Aug 15 21:27 |
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| Snit | Ok... back | Aug 15 21:29 |
| amarsh04 | yes, adsl dropped out earlier and the tunnel software became confused | Aug 15 21:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Passing through Seattle now on the LinuxCon or Bust bus! Almost there! (Can we bring penguins through customs?) #LinuxCon | Aug 15 21:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Good night cruel world. | Aug 15 21:42 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Mbeo yacha seji wawedumwa!! | Aug 15 21:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Feet hurt. | Aug 15 21:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Even when Arnold Rimmer contracted the holo virus, he still knew Linux was the better platform. http://ur1.ca/4x5rj | Aug 15 21:48 | |
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| ender_33_ | Hey Snit if you're still there - I'm on your side of this - I've watched Roy slip away a few times | Aug 15 21:56 |
| Snit | I am here | Aug 15 21:57 |
| Snit | He repeatedly runs. And then says he already quoted this "lie" but, for some odd reason, never seems to be able to find where he did so. | Aug 15 21:57 |
| Snit | I will be asking him about this on the show. | Aug 15 21:57 |
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| Snit | That and some of our predictions about how the new PCLOS would stand up against OS X in terms of metrics we agreed on... and how the older PCLOS actually looked... which he denied but which I can easily show is accurate. | Aug 15 21:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Survey: Millennials OK with fixing their own gear (Network World): http://bit.ly/qARNNb | Aug 15 21:58 | |
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| Snit | In other words: he uses desktop Linux more than I do, but my recollection of how it was has been shown to be better (in those areas) and my guesses as to what will be found in distros he uses and I do not have proved to be better than his (again, in the areas we talked about). | Aug 15 21:59 |
| ender_33_ | schestowitz - last time you asked him you gave a bs answer and ran off, that isnt you defending your accusation | Aug 15 21:59 |
| Snit | I think he finds this a bit embarrassing and is now on the attack | Aug 15 21:59 |
| Snit | Oh, and Roy also talked about the MS patents on the Ribbon. But as far as I can tell, and according to Wikipedia, there are none | Aug 15 22:00 |
| Snit | Pretty much he was wrong on every major topic we talked about. | Aug 15 22:00 |
| Snit | Snit: When you have "Save" on the left and "Save" on the right - people click on the wrong button. And it's user error - that's what it's called - but it's not; it's an error of the system. [About older PCLOS] looking at its default programs ... and there is a mish mash [quit/exit, save dialog with "Save" on left or right] | Aug 15 22:01 |
| Snit | Roy: I've used it before and I don't think it's true what you are saying now. | Aug 15 22:01 |
| Snit | But I have now shown him where he was wrong about this. http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS-OSX-comparison.pdf | Aug 15 22:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting application/pdf type | Aug 15 22:02 |
| Snit | And wrong about the current PCLOS. | Aug 15 22:02 |
| Snit | I suspect he is just a bit confused as to how to react to this... he was | Aug 15 22:02 |
| Snit | he was "shown up" by someone he considers an enemy of Linux. | Aug 15 22:02 |
| Snit | brb | Aug 15 22:02 |
| ender_33_ | Snit - im not sure Roy really cares about the truth, I caught him over his lies about opensuse | Aug 15 22:03 |
| ender_33_ | ever since I started asking tough questions i've been ignored or been accused of working for microsoft or other people | Aug 15 22:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Its coming to a point where I need to consider which social networking services I really need.....I think I may need to trim the fat. | Aug 15 22:05 | |
| ender_33_ | or im 'trolling' | Aug 15 22:08 |
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| Snit | Sorry... was gone for a while | Aug 15 22:25 |
| Snit | Yes: he runs when asked questions about his claims or when faced with ideas he does not agree with. | Aug 15 22:26 |
| Snit | In each of the cases I am talking about he is demonstrably wrong... if there is an "other side" he is completely unable to present it. | Aug 15 22:26 |
| Snit | But, to his credit, he is willing to face me again on his show. I respect him for that... and, frankly, did not expect him to be willing to face me. | Aug 15 22:27 |
| DiabloD3 | http://rss.slashdot.org/~r/Slashdot/slashdot/~3/oKwPNUQp2Nc/Does-Android-Violate-the-GPL-Not-So-Fast | Aug 15 22:32 |
| DiabloD3 | bam | Aug 15 22:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Does Android Violate the GPL? Not So Fast - Slashdot .::. Size~: 99.88 KB | Aug 15 22:32 |
| schestowitz | I saw that | Aug 15 22:33 |
| schestowitz | proposed by Naughton | Aug 15 22:33 |
| schestowitz | !google Naughton microsoft | Aug 15 22:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - John Naughton: Microsoft first - then Google wants world ... | http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/feb/25/comment.newmedia | Aug 15 22:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - John Naughton: Microsoft makes Facebook a club you don't want to ... | http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/2007/oct/28/5 | Aug 15 22:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Lawyer behind Android infringement claim has Microsoft ties | http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/lawyer-behind-android-infringement-claim-has- | Aug 15 22:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Edith Naughton | LinkedIn | http://www.linkedin.com/in/edithnaughton | Aug 15 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Florian and him love talking | Aug 15 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Part of the same group Microsoft PR can bief | Aug 15 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Throwing more lies into the blogsphere | Aug 15 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Then Microsoft can try to validate it and spam journalists to talk about it | Aug 15 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Arianna will publish in Huff & Puff | Aug 15 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Even if it's false | Aug 15 22:35 |
| schestowitz | And months after it was proven to be false, as PJ from Groklaw pointed out the last time he lied about Android and got caught | Aug 15 22:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @ludost RT @klang67: How Bad Security Arguments Are Undermining Our #Privacy Rights http://bit.ly/ou6HQE | Aug 15 22:37 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Q&A with Daniel Solove on How Bad Security Arguments Are Undermining Our Privacy Rights » Blog of Rights: Official Blog of the American Civil Liberties Union .::. Size~: 49.61 KB | Aug 15 22:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The properties of property | tante's blog http://bit.ly/nc0KYw | Aug 15 22:42 | |
| Snit | ah, Schestowitz, you are back. Have you decided how long it is likely to take you to quote this alleged "lie" of mine... or do you prefer to be asked to quote it on the show? | Aug 15 22:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The properties of property | tante's blog .::. Size~: 32.97 KB | Aug 15 22:42 |
| Snit | You can hold it out as a big surprise to spring on me in real time. That would be cool! | Aug 15 22:42 |
| schestowitz | the lie is in the show | Aug 15 22:44 |
| schestowitz | in audio | Aug 15 22:44 |
| schestowitz | And the explanation of it is in the IRC log | Aug 15 22:44 |
| Snit | But you cannot find it/ | Aug 15 22:44 |
| schestowitz | feel free to transcribe the show | Aug 15 22:44 |
| Snit | The quote is completely lost to you. No. You are just dodging. There is no such lie on the show... | Aug 15 22:44 |
| Snit | Hey, I did quote what I said about KDE... | Aug 15 22:45 |
| Snit | And I said nothing like what you claimed I did | Aug 15 22:45 |
| Snit | Get this straight: YOU MADE IT UP. | Aug 15 22:45 |
| schestowitz | no, you said you had properly used kde4 | Aug 15 22:45 |
| schestowitz | touy hadn't | Aug 15 22:45 |
| schestowitz | Until AFTER the show | Aug 15 22:45 |
| schestowitz | and then you moved the goalposts | Aug 15 22:45 |
| Snit | There is no lie from me... you claimed I lied. Maybe you were, at first, merely mistaken - but now you know you are wrong. Flat out wrong | Aug 15 22:45 |
| schestowitz | and we discussed this | Aug 15 22:45 |
| Snit | Give the time code. | Aug 15 22:45 |
| schestowitz | So I'm not going to just repeat this, it's pointless to do so | Aug 15 22:46 |
| Snit | Yes: and you run from it every time. There is no such quote from me on the show. Again: YOU MADE IT UP | Aug 15 22:46 |
| schestowitz | I did not | Aug 15 22:46 |
| Snit | Sure, it is pointless to have you try to back up your claim... because you are flat our wrong. | Aug 15 22:46 |
| schestowitz | You contradicted yourself | Aug 15 22:46 |
| schestowitz | I asked a question | Aug 15 22:46 |
| schestowitz | You didn't give an honest answer | Aug 15 22:46 |
| Snit | Snit: 8:47 I don't use KDE that much... | Aug 15 22:46 |
| Snit | Roy: 9:42 | Aug 15 22:47 |
| Snit | ----- | Aug 15 22:47 |
| Snit | Have you had a chance to use KDE3 before? | Aug 15 22:47 |
| Snit | ----- | Aug 15 22:47 |
| Snit | Snit: 9:43 | Aug 15 22:47 |
| Snit | ----- | Aug 15 22:47 |
| Snit | I have - I mean I have mostly used Gnome - but I have used | Aug 15 22:47 |
| Snit | KDE. | Aug 15 22:47 |
| Snit | ----- | Aug 15 22:47 |
| Snit | Roy: 9:47 | Aug 15 22:47 |
| Snit | ----- | Aug 15 22:47 |
| Snit | What did you find very confusing about it? | Aug 15 22:47 |
| Snit | ----- | Aug 15 22:47 |
| Snit | Snit: 9:52 | Aug 15 22:47 |
| Snit | If you think otherwise quote it and give the approx. time code | Aug 15 22:47 |
| Snit | Or just freaking admit you were wrong. | Aug 15 22:47 |
| _Goblin | ender_33: in answer to your G+ question...it was chromium build 12.0.742.112 (90304) | Aug 15 22:47 |
| schestowitz | I asked about KDE4 at one stage | Aug 15 22:48 |
| Snit | Your claim is in error, Roy... you *accusation* is in error | Aug 15 22:48 |
| Snit | Roy: if you think so then *quote* it. Give a rough time code... as I did. | Aug 15 22:48 |
| Snit | Do not just make things up | Aug 15 22:48 |
| Snit | Please, it just is foolish of you. Completely dishonest, too. | Aug 15 22:48 |
| schestowitz | quote on | Aug 15 22:48 |
| schestowitz | You don't show the contradictive part | Aug 15 22:49 |
| Snit | I have been asking for some time for you to support your public accusation... and you just run every time | Aug 15 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Just like you take RMS quotes out of their context | Aug 15 22:49 |
| Snit | And then claim you already did quote it - even though you did not | Aug 15 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Which is either hypothetical of humourous | Aug 15 22:49 |
| Snit | Roy: and here you go changing topics and making *more* accusations you cannot support. | Aug 15 22:49 |
| Snit | Which is utterly dishonest of you. | Aug 15 22:49 |
| Snit | I am asking you to merely support your accusation or to admit you were mistaken. Easy. But you will do neither. | Aug 15 22:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @AJELive: Banner at #Syria women demo says "The father killed our fathers, the son is killing our sons" http://aje.me/jlCqCU #Douma | Aug 15 22:50 | |
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| Snit | At this point even you *must* know your accusation is false - if you did not you would have quoted this alleged lie. | Aug 15 22:50 |
| Snit | Above I quote all of my comments about KDE - at least all I heard in a skimming of the audio show after you made your accusation. | Aug 15 22:51 |
| schestowitz | I've just listened to it, it's just as I remembered it | Aug 15 22:53 |
| ender_33_ | 18:38 < schestowitz> Just like you take RMS quotes out of their context | Aug 15 22:53 |
| ender_33_ | no | Aug 15 22:53 |
| ender_33_ | *you* are just saying they are | Aug 15 22:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] finally heading off to bed. so much done, and lots more for tomorrow. at least life is full and exciting, right? g'nite world. | Aug 15 22:53 | |
| schestowitz | So show those screenshots and videos you produced, as I asked the last time when you dodged | Aug 15 22:54 |
| ender_33_ | if you quote the entire thing its *still terrible* | Aug 15 22:54 |
| ender_33_ | of course, pedophilia apologism | Aug 15 22:54 |
| ender_33_ | thats what RMS does | Aug 15 22:54 |
| ender_33_ | just like the leader of a church | Aug 15 22:54 |
| Snit | Schestowitz: ah, I have the sound file here... if you just heard it give the approx time code! | Aug 15 22:54 |
| Snit | That would be great! | Aug 15 22:54 |
| Snit | There, file is opened... if you just heard it you should have the approx time code | Aug 15 22:55 |
| Snit | My prediction... be prepared for a *big* dodge from Roy in 3... 2... 1... | Aug 15 22:55 |
| Snit | Ohhhhh Roy.... | Aug 15 22:55 |
| Snit | Time to make me eat crow... just give this time code. | Aug 15 22:56 |
| Snit | Man, Roy, if you are right just imagine the big apology I will owe you... | Aug 15 22:56 |
| Snit | and you can get it now... just give the time code. Snicker. | Aug 15 22:56 |
| Snit | But there is no such quote... is there. | Aug 15 22:56 |
| Snit | You just flat out lied. | Aug 15 22:56 |
| schestowitz | 9:58 | Aug 15 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Stop spewing junk | Aug 15 22:57 |
| Snit | Give me a moment... | Aug 15 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Pretending to be faster at IRC | Aug 15 22:57 |
| schestowitz | You're like a kid hoppinh | Aug 15 22:57 |
| schestowitz | hopping | Aug 15 22:57 |
| Snit | Roy: 9:42 | Aug 15 22:57 |
| Snit | Have you had a chance to use KDE3 before? | Aug 15 22:57 |
| Snit | Snit: 9:43 | Aug 15 22:57 |
| Snit | I have - I mean I have mostly used Gnome - but I have used | Aug 15 22:57 |
| Snit | KDE. | Aug 15 22:57 |
| Snit | Roy: 9:47 | Aug 15 22:57 |
| Snit | What did you find very confusing about it? | Aug 15 22:57 |
| Snit | Snit: 9:52 | Aug 15 22:57 |
| Snit | Well, in the past I've had screenshots and even some videos | Aug 15 22:57 |
| Snit | online - I don't know if you've seen some of those... | Aug 15 22:57 |
| Snit | You mean that part of the discussion? | Aug 15 22:57 |
| schestowitz | where are those videos? | Aug 15 22:57 |
| Snit | Where we are talking about KDE3 | Aug 15 22:57 |
| schestowitz | and see? We're back to the old debare | Aug 15 22:58 |
| Snit | I already showed them to you many times - http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS-OSX-comparison.pdf | Aug 15 22:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting application/pdf type | Aug 15 22:58 |
| schestowitz | And you avoid answering me again | Aug 15 22:58 |
| Snit | they are linked in the PDF | Aug 15 22:58 |
| schestowitz | So look back | Aug 15 22:58 |
| schestowitz | NO! | Aug 15 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Silly git | Aug 15 22:58 |
| Snit | Look back where? | Aug 15 22:58 |
| schestowitz | Don't show me 2011 stuff | Aug 15 22:58 |
| schestowitz | You did this AFTER the show | Aug 15 22:58 |
| Snit | We are talking about KDE3 and you claimed I was talking about KDE4 | Aug 15 22:58 |
| Snit | Nope... the PDF is after the show... the linked media is all from *before* the show. | Aug 15 22:59 |
| schestowitz | So it's back to the old goalpost changing from you | Aug 15 22:59 |
| Snit | <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/ PCLOS-menu.pdf>, <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS.pdf>, <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS2.pdf> and <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS.mov>). | Aug 15 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | And here it ends | Aug 15 22:59 |
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| Snit | No moving of goal posts by me | Aug 15 22:59 |
| Snit | There... that is a direct copy and paste from the PDF. All from before the show | Aug 15 22:59 |
| schestowitz | Cause you're disingenuous | Aug 15 22:59 |
| Snit | But feel free to run | Aug 15 22:59 |
| *schestowitz back to coding | Aug 15 22:59 | |
| Snit | Poor Roy... I am "disingenuous" for calling you out on your lies. | Aug 15 22:59 |
| Snit | <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/ PCLOS-menu.pdf>, <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS.pdf>, <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS2.pdf> and <http://tmp.gallopinginsanity.com/PCLOS.mov>). | Aug 15 22:59 |
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| Snit | All from before the show. | Aug 15 23:00 |
| Snit | No matter what you say... | Aug 15 23:00 |
| Snit | But feel free to run away like you always do. | Aug 15 23:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @ludost "You save the world with the people you've got, not the people you want." (via @kotope @Gelada) !q #qt4d | Aug 15 23:00 | |
| Snit | You just failed to find a quote to back your claims about my "lie". You just made more accusations about me and Stallman... and you just claimed that those linked files, above, were from after the show when they were not. | Aug 15 23:01 |
| Snit | And when this is pointed out you call *me* disingenuous and run off. | Aug 15 23:01 |
| Snit | What utter scum. | Aug 15 23:01 |
| Snit | Really... how cowardly of you. | Aug 15 23:01 |
| Snit | Anyway enough ... you have run off to lick your wounds. You know you were busted lying... | Aug 15 23:02 |
| Snit | Well, at least the next show should be fun. I *really* look forward to it. | Aug 15 23:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] @zotz this matches my understanding of the situation, yeah | Aug 15 23:03 | |
| *DrumScum (~tommy@d54C39583.access.telenet.be) has joined #techrights | Aug 15 23:04 | |
| Snit | Hi TomB. You just missed the fun. :) | Aug 15 23:04 |
| Snit | Roy was accusing me of all sorts of things and failing to support any of them... he could have really used your support. :) | Aug 15 23:05 |
| Snit | So, how are you? | Aug 15 23:05 |
| DrumScum | eh? | Aug 15 23:07 |
| Snit | I just saw in COLA where you, again, are accusing me of lying. Sigh... then you deny you are a part of the "herd". Amazing. | Aug 15 23:07 |
| *DrumScum eats a sandwich | Aug 15 23:07 | |
| ender_33_ | Snit - again, I believe you | Aug 15 23:07 |
| Snit | Thank you. | Aug 15 23:07 |
| DrumScum | yes, i am not part of a 'herd' | Aug 15 23:07 |
| ender_33_ | the so called 'herd' takes everything roy says as fact | Aug 15 23:08 |
| DrumScum | my opinion on you is my own | Aug 15 23:08 |
| Snit | Drum: then why spread lies about me being dishonest when you know you cannot back it? | Aug 15 23:08 |
| DrumScum | my precioussss | Aug 15 23:08 |
| ender_33_ | any questioning of roy is trolling | Aug 15 23:08 |
| Snit | And why not call Roy and the like on their lies? | Aug 15 23:08 |
| Snit | Exactly. | Aug 15 23:08 |
| Snit | The funny thing with Roy is he just admitted the very part of the show I guessed he did not understand is exactly right... he pointed to the same section of the conversation. The same section I just quoted and proved his accusation false | Aug 15 23:09 |
| ender_33_ | its not *just* that they believe it, they *want* to believe it | Aug 15 23:09 |
| DrumScum | i have no beef with roy | Aug 15 23:09 |
| ender_33_ | they make up excuses in order to believe the lies | Aug 15 23:09 |
| ender_33_ | 'that critic works for microsoft or a proprietary software development firm' | Aug 15 23:09 |
| DrumScum | actually, i've only recently started reading his posts | Aug 15 23:09 |
| ender_33_ | 'works for microsoft in some way' | Aug 15 23:09 |
| Snit | Drum: so you accuse me of lying and have a beef with me over it... but no beef with Roy openly lying about people | Aug 15 23:09 |
| Snit | As I said: you are a part of the herd. | Aug 15 23:09 |
| ender_33_ | 'the press (which is controlled by Microsoft) etc....' | Aug 15 23:09 |
| DrumScum | blah blah | Aug 15 23:09 |
| DrumScum | whatever you like :-p | Aug 15 23:10 |
| Snit | Seriously: why make false accusations against me as you ignore the lies of Roy and RonB and Chris A. and the like? | Aug 15 23:10 |
| Snit | If you are not a part of their silly little herd, why do you back them? | Aug 15 23:10 |
| Snit | Though - to give you credit, you did stand up against HTP and Peter K. and tell them they were wrong to claim I had forged videos and images. | Aug 15 23:11 |
| Snit | I grant you that and thank you for it | Aug 15 23:11 |
| DrumScum | i'm not backing anyone | Aug 15 23:11 |
| DrumScum | really | Aug 15 23:11 |
| DrumScum | i'm on friendly foot with most of the cola GNU/Linux users | Aug 15 23:11 |
| Snit | But you play silly little games - like when you freaked out over my misrepresenting your misrepresentation of my views. You noted I had done so and I apologized. | Aug 15 23:12 |
| Snit | But you will not rise to that level | Aug 15 23:12 |
| Snit | I am a GNU/Linux user. | Aug 15 23:12 |
| DrumScum | i said 'most' :-p | Aug 15 23:12 |
| ender_33_ | im sure when you're not around people will say you're an apple user | Aug 15 23:12 |
| Snit | So why not state that RonB is flat out wrong when he keeps babbling about me being anti-choice? | Aug 15 23:12 |
| Snit | Why not call him on that obvious lie of his? | Aug 15 23:13 |
| _Goblin | I'd say the views in COLA are unread by the masses....I don't see Jono or anyone of any significance reading COLA...infact I don't even think the mainstream linux users would go there, its just bickering between people...what does COLA offer? Its certainly not up to date news, its certainly not polite conversation, its merely a few users now who have been there so long its part of their lives. | Aug 15 23:13 |
| Snit | I am an OS X user, too. | Aug 15 23:13 |
| ender_33_ | Snit - in fact right now Roy is in another channel discussing how avater is a pinnacle of americanism | Aug 15 23:13 |
| ender_33_ | even though it illustrates how military thinking is wrong | Aug 15 23:13 |
| ender_33_ | he must not have watched it all | Aug 15 23:13 |
| Snit | Anyway, TomB, I will say sorry for my tone right now - Roy, I admit, got me riled up a bit before you came in. | Aug 15 23:13 |
| DrumScum | eh? | Aug 15 23:13 |
| DrumScum | nothing wrong with your tone imo | Aug 15 23:14 |
| Snit | ender: that is "programming" to him. :) | Aug 15 23:14 |
| DrumScum | you've not called me an asshole or so | Aug 15 23:14 |
| Snit | Drum - ok. I think I am coming off a bit aggressive. Not my intention to "attack" you... you came in here and did not say a single word against me. | Aug 15 23:14 |
| DrumScum | ah, i see | Aug 15 23:14 |
| jono | _Goblin, I used to read COLA every day in the late ninetees | Aug 15 23:14 |
| Snit | Though you did just post accusations against me in COLA. | Aug 15 23:14 |
| jono | but it has turned into a cesspit | Aug 15 23:15 |
| DrumScum | well, i did post to cola how i think you're a troll :-p | Aug 15 23:15 |
| Snit | The "advocates" just lash out at anyone who is not blindly following them. | Aug 15 23:15 |
| Snit | And there are jerks there who just want to mess with people. | Aug 15 23:15 |
| DrumScum | and i mean that, and it has nothing to do with being part of a herd | Aug 15 23:15 |
| Snit | You not only said I was a troll, you made specific accusations you cannot back up. | Aug 15 23:15 |
| _Goblin | jono: lol.... | Aug 15 23:15 |
| Snit | You claimed I am one of those who is "constantly spewing lies and FUD". | Aug 15 23:16 |
| ender_33_ | snit - nah I say it is programming. he would say its 'dirty capitalism' | Aug 15 23:16 |
| Snit | Now, you know that is not true. If you really believed it you would back it up. You simply said that to please the herd. | Aug 15 23:16 |
| _Goblin | jono: I wish I'd last looked at it in 1999 its a insidious pool of bickering which sucks you in without knowing it.... | Aug 15 23:16 |
| Snit | Ender: Roy ran off saying he had to go program. The reality is he realized his time code pointed to the same part of the conversation where I had already done as he asked and given him a transcript. And it did not say what he claimed it did. | Aug 15 23:17 |
| Snit | BRB | Aug 15 23:17 |
| DrumScum | sorry snit, but i'm done 'backing up' to you | Aug 15 23:17 |
| *DrumScum is now known as Tom[B] | Aug 15 23:18 | |
| ender_33_ | Ahhhh | Aug 15 23:18 |
| Tom[B] | haha | Aug 15 23:18 |
| ender_33_ | thats what you meant by programming | Aug 15 23:18 |
| Tom[B] | this is better | Aug 15 23:18 |
| Tom[B] | i'm me again! | Aug 15 23:18 |
| ender_33_ | I thought you meant some form of mind control or social engineering. | Aug 15 23:18 |
| ender_33_ | For the Movie | Aug 15 23:18 |
| *Tom[B] still has to adapt his irssi config | Aug 15 23:18 | |
| _Goblin | irssi? Ohhh you l337 user you ;) | Aug 15 23:18 |
| Tom[B] | of course | Aug 15 23:19 |
| ender_33_ | ctcp me | Aug 15 23:19 |
| ender_33_ | I'm even more 1337 | Aug 15 23:19 |
| Tom[B] | i'm so 1337 i have a root terminal open all the time | Aug 15 23:19 |
| Tom[B] | ;-) | Aug 15 23:19 |
| ender_33_ | CTCP VERSION reply from ender_33_: irssi v0.8.15 - running on SunOS i86pc | Aug 15 23:19 |
| _Goblin | Definition of l337 - To make everything as difficult and unattractive as possible...... ;) | Aug 15 23:19 |
| Tom[B] | eh, sunos? | Aug 15 23:19 |
| ender_33_ | _Goblin - keeps out the noobs | Aug 15 23:19 |
| ender_33_ | Tom, yeah - Openindiana | Aug 15 23:20 |
| Tom[B] | meh, don't know that | Aug 15 23:20 |
| Tom[B] | is that like solaris? | Aug 15 23:20 |
| ender_33_ | yes | Aug 15 23:20 |
| _Goblin | want to be l337 and write a quick Identi.ca app? Don't use Curl....use assembly language blindfolded whilst hanging upside down on a keyboard with half the keys missing....now thats l337. | Aug 15 23:20 |
| ender_33_ | its a fork of solaris | Aug 15 23:20 |
| Tom[B] | ah right | Aug 15 23:20 |
| Tom[B] | i heard of that | Aug 15 23:20 |
| Tom[B] | so it's called indiana then | Aug 15 23:20 |
| ender_33_ | yeah im using it for the most advanced filesystem | Aug 15 23:20 |
| ender_33_ | openindiana | Aug 15 23:21 |
| Tom[B] | NTFS? | Aug 15 23:21 |
| Tom[B] | :-p | Aug 15 23:21 |
| ender_33_ | ZFS | Aug 15 23:21 |
| Tom[B] | hehe | Aug 15 23:21 |
| Tom[B] | obviously | Aug 15 23:21 |
| Tom[B] | i'm cool with XFS | Aug 15 23:21 |
| Tom[B] | and EXT4 | Aug 15 23:21 |
| Tom[B] | never tried ZFS | Aug 15 23:21 |
| ender_33_ | I use ZFS for a 3 drive RAID-Z array | Aug 15 23:21 |
| ender_33_ | which is like a raid5 | Aug 15 23:22 |
| ender_33_ | no write hole | Aug 15 23:22 |
| Tom[B] | that's in software, right? | Aug 15 23:22 |
| ender_33_ | the operating system knows everything about the drives, even what files will be damaged if there is any problems | Aug 15 23:22 |
| ender_33_ | it is software yes | Aug 15 23:22 |
| jono | _Goblin, I know what you mean, pal | Aug 15 23:22 |
| ender_33_ | might be slower than hardware raid but I get a lot more control and features which would be extremely expensive if you had to buy it in hardware | Aug 15 23:23 |
| jono | you are bigger than the schoolboyish bickering on COLA | Aug 15 23:23 |
| ender_33_ | I got free Deduplication as a ZFS update | Aug 15 23:23 |
| ender_33_ | all the ZFS utilities integrate nicely with the kernel CIFS server | Aug 15 23:23 |
| ender_33_ | creating filesystems and sharing them all in one command | Aug 15 23:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Canadian Political Party Threatens Widow For Using Its Logo In Ad Criticizing Canadian Government: http://is.gd/0ggk9S #cdnpoli | Aug 15 23:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Canadian Political Party Threatens Widow For Using Its Logo In Ad Criticizing Canadian Government | Techdirt .::. Size~: 68.36 KB | Aug 15 23:24 |
| Tom[B] | sounds good | Aug 15 23:24 |
| _Goblin | jono: be careful....you'll be labelled a troll by an anon nick for that sort of talk!!!! ;) | Aug 15 23:24 |
| ender_33_ | if I even had to look at LVM I would throw up | Aug 15 23:24 |
| Tom[B] | <l | Aug 15 23:24 |
| Tom[B] | LVM is quite nice | Aug 15 23:24 |
| ender_33_ | not when you've used ZFS | Aug 15 23:24 |
| ender_33_ | I gotta jet! im already leaving 1 hour late | Aug 15 23:24 |
| Tom[B] | that remains to be seen ;-) | Aug 15 23:24 |
| ender_33_ | just try it out or look at the commands | Aug 15 23:25 |
| ender_33_ | :) | Aug 15 23:25 |
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| *Tom[B] plans to look into ZFS in the near to distant future | Aug 15 23:25 | |
| Tom[B] | perhaps even very distant :-p | Aug 15 23:25 |
| jono | _Goblin, maybe, but then again, my give-a-shit would still be broken :-) | Aug 15 23:26 |
| Tom[B] | point is: as long as something works for me, i don't switch | Aug 15 23:26 |
| _Goblin | lol... | Aug 15 23:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] The new issue of Linux Format - it has my article on podcasting in it and lots of other awesome content - http://www.linuxformat.com/ | Aug 15 23:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] @jonobacon Not in my newsagent yet (I looked today on the way home) | Aug 15 23:27 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux Format | The #1 source for Linux .::. Size~: 33.67 KB | Aug 15 23:27 |
| *Tom[B] should clip his nails | Aug 15 23:27 | |
| Tom[B] | (typing is getting hard) | Aug 15 23:27 |
| Tom[B] | wtf | Aug 15 23:29 |
| Snit | Even when something works for me I like to tinker and see what else there is. | Aug 15 23:29 |
| Tom[B] | oh, same her | Aug 15 23:29 |
| Tom[B] | e | Aug 15 23:29 |
| Tom[B] | fsck | Aug 15 23:29 |
| Snit | That is why I use OS X, Windows and Linux... why I have tried a number of different screencasting solutions, headphones, etc. | Aug 15 23:29 |
| Tom[B] | i really need to clip those nails | Aug 15 23:29 |
| Tom[B] | i'm all over the place here | Aug 15 23:30 |
| Tom[B] | ugh | Aug 15 23:30 |
| Snit | I am always in the same place - with the truth. :) | Aug 15 23:30 |
| Snit | [Just kidding about the implication there... that was meant as a joke, not an insult] | Aug 15 23:30 |
| Tom[B] | sure :-p | Aug 15 23:30 |
| Tom[B] | anyway | Aug 15 23:31 |
| Tom[B] | to get back to my wtf | Aug 15 23:31 |
| Snit | By all means | Aug 15 23:31 |
| Snit | Then I have a proposal for you... | Aug 15 23:31 |
| Tom[B] | i just typed a line, entered... | Aug 15 23:31 |
| Tom[B] | and it DISAPPEARED! | Aug 15 23:31 |
| Tom[B] | no snit, i don't want to marry you :-p | Aug 15 23:31 |
| _Goblin | snit....youre supposed to be marrying me (according to cola)....you hussy. | Aug 15 23:31 |
| Tom[B] | rogl | Aug 15 23:32 |
| Tom[B] | argh | Aug 15 23:32 |
| Tom[B] | ROFL | Aug 15 23:32 |
| Tom[B] | although... rolling on ground laughing | Aug 15 23:32 |
| Tom[B] | yeah that works | Aug 15 23:32 |
| Tom[B] | henceforth i'll use ROGL | Aug 15 23:32 |
| _Goblin | good effort. | Aug 15 23:33 |
| _Goblin | enjoying G+? | Aug 15 23:33 |
| Snit | Well, I have one wife already... why not collect a number of spouses? | Aug 15 23:33 |
| _Goblin | exactly. | Aug 15 23:33 |
| Tom[B] | _Goblin: yeah | Aug 15 23:33 |
| Tom[B] | looks nice | Aug 15 23:33 |
| _Goblin | and if you have a windows, mac and linux one you will be beyond critisism.. | Aug 15 23:33 |
| Tom[B] | just tool a quick look | Aug 15 23:33 |
| _Goblin | cool... | Aug 15 23:33 |
| _Goblin | if you are after a diaspora invite, let me knwo | Aug 15 23:34 |
| _Goblin | *know | Aug 15 23:34 |
| _Goblin | that goes for anyone here too. | Aug 15 23:34 |
| Snit | I would like one. Know almost nothing of it, | Aug 15 23:34 |
| _Goblin | standby....one coming. | Aug 15 23:34 |
| Snit | Oh, and if you missed it before: Happy belated bday | Aug 15 23:34 |
| Tom[B] | nah, no diaspora for now | Aug 15 23:35 |
| Snit | If more than one mouse is "mice", is more than one spouse "spice"? | Aug 15 23:35 |
| _Goblin | snit: PM me your email add again....my thunderbird is being silly. | Aug 15 23:36 |
| Snit | That's what we say at my hice. | Aug 15 23:36 |
| Snit | OK, TomB... can I make an offer to you. Help build a truce between us. | Aug 15 23:37 |
| _Goblin | Snit: sent....should be in your inbox now....enjoy! | Aug 15 23:37 |
| Snit | Though it means building a bit of a temporary "coalition", though a completely open one. | Aug 15 23:37 |
| Snit | Thanks | Aug 15 23:37 |
| Snit | So nothing hidden from anyone. | Aug 15 23:37 |
| _Goblin | I used the computer guy email. | Aug 15 23:38 |
| Snit | OK. | Aug 15 23:38 |
| Tom[B] | Snit: shoot | Aug 15 23:38 |
| Snit | Goblin: got the email | Aug 15 23:38 |
| _Goblin | :) cool see you there! | Aug 15 23:38 |
| Snit | For one week you and I will, on the others request, ask those we disagree with to offer support for any accusation they make. | Aug 15 23:38 |
| Snit | So if Hadron claims you are lying about X, I will ask him about it and make it very clear if he backs down. | Aug 15 23:39 |
| Snit | But if RonB claims, for example, I am anti-choice, you will ask him to back it up. Of course, we would have to give each other heads up on these things... I am not asking either of us to read very frickin' post. | Aug 15 23:39 |
| Snit | Just ask those who hound us to back up their claims. We are generally seen as being on "opposite" sides, so maybe we can get better results from our "friends". But no letting people have any easy outs. If Hadron says you said "X" and does not back it up I will be *very* clear with that. | Aug 15 23:41 |
| Tom[B] | just to make sure: i don't /have/ any friends in cola | Aug 15 23:42 |
| Snit | Nor I. I am not saying I am on Hadron's "side"... I am merely noting that is often the claim. | Aug 15 23:42 |
| Snit | So you do not have to worry about upsetting any "friends" - you do not have any to start off with. | Aug 15 23:43 |
| Tom[B] | hehe right | Aug 15 23:43 |
| Tom[B] | but that brings us to issue #2... | Aug 15 23:43 |
| Snit | OK... though I want to get back to this offer. If you say no, so be it... but I think it would be eye opening. You would get to see how many bizarre accusations are made against me. Maybe I will see the same toward you. | Aug 15 23:44 |
| Tom[B] | when eg RonB says you seem to be 'against choice'... well, i kind of agree with that... | Aug 15 23:44 |
| Tom[B] | honestly | Aug 15 23:44 |
| Tom[B] | i mean... | Aug 15 23:44 |
| Tom[B] | wait, before this gets ugly... | Aug 15 23:44 |
| Snit | But I am not. I want *more* choice. This does not mean I do not see the downside of, say, many distros, but I am not against it - I certainly do not want any force to get rid of any. | Aug 15 23:45 |
| Snit | No, as long as you work to defend your view I do not mind disagreement... | Aug 15 23:45 |
| Snit | I look forward to your case | Aug 15 23:45 |
| Tom[B] | okay, great example there to get to my point | Aug 15 23:45 |
| Tom[B] | you consider the huge amount of distros a weakness, while i (and many others in cola with me) consider it one of its biggest strenghts | Aug 15 23:46 |
| Snit | I type miserably and I think I type faster than most in COLA ... or at least here. :) Anyway... | Aug 15 23:46 |
| Snit | Wait: I see that it has both good and bad to it. That does not mean I think it is a "weakness". | Aug 15 23:46 |
| Snit | It hinders some things and benefits others. That is certainly not an anti-choice stance. | Aug 15 23:47 |
| Tom[B] | well, i see the 'good' and the 'bad' of it too | Aug 15 23:47 |
| Snit | But RonB usually applies this to the desktop experience, like I want everyone to have the same one. Which is complete rubbish. | Aug 15 23:47 |
| Tom[B] | but i don't care about the bad, as - to me at least - it is outweighted by the good | Aug 15 23:47 |
| Tom[B] | by *far* | Aug 15 23:47 |
| Snit | I can pull up quotes - but he has made up a story where I want your desktop and mine to be the same. Which could no be further from the truth. | Aug 15 23:47 |
| Snit | Which is fine... we can have some disagreement on that. That does not mean I think you are, for example, "pro confusion" or whatever you agree are the down sides. | Aug 15 23:48 |
| Snit | What choice do you think I am against? | Aug 15 23:49 |
| Tom[B] | any :-p | Aug 15 23:49 |
| Snit | Remember: I am for *more* choice on the desktop... I want Ubuntu and Mint and Debian to be able to differentiate their experiences more than they can now. | Aug 15 23:49 |
| Tom[B] | nah, just kidding of course | Aug 15 23:49 |
| Snit | Well, I am against you having choice... but I meant for most people. :) | Aug 15 23:49 |
| Snit | Yes... I took it that way. And responded in kind. :) | Aug 15 23:49 |
| Snit | Back to choice: not only do I want the distros to be able to differentiate themselves more, I want the user to have more control once they get the distro in their hands. | Aug 15 23:50 |
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| Tom[B] | but Debian, Ubuntu, Mint... already can differentiate /without limits/ | Aug 15 23:50 |
| Snit | So I want a whole new level of choice... | Aug 15 23:50 |
| Snit | As has been noted many times, the apps and such are pretty much the same no matter what distro they are on. | Aug 15 23:51 |
| Tom[B] | pretty much, yeah | Aug 15 23:51 |
| Snit | But with my "vision" they would not be as similar - Debian could have Debian save and open and print dialogs... Mint can have the same... all can have their own color selectors and .... you (I hope) get the idea. | Aug 15 23:52 |
| Tom[B] | yes, i do get that idea | Aug 15 23:52 |
| Snit | So, sure, the program itself would not be that different (though the placement and naming of some common menu items and the like might be different from one distro to the next). | Aug 15 23:52 |
| Tom[B] | you've stated that desire many times | Aug 15 23:52 |
| Snit | More differentiation. More choice. More control by the distro managers and the users. | Aug 15 23:52 |
| Snit | And hard as can be to get to. :) | Aug 15 23:52 |
| Tom[B] | impossible I say | Aug 15 23:53 |
| Snit | Right - and yet the repeated lie from RonB is I want all desktops to be the same. The exact *opposite* of my views... which, as you note, I have stated many, many times. | Aug 15 23:53 |
| Tom[B] | it would require a degree of coordination that's simply not possible in F/OSS | Aug 15 23:54 |
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| Snit | And it is fine you think it is not possible... we need not agree. But for the "advocates" to just flat out lie about me is, well, dishonest (hello, I come from the department of redundancy department) | Aug 15 23:54 |
| Snit | So, TomB, what do you say about my request. | Aug 15 23:54 |
| Tom[B] | let's see | Aug 15 23:54 |
| Snit | And nothing hidden from anyone (heck, this is being recorded and will be posted by Roy... I do not care if you or others post this to COLA) | Aug 15 23:55 |
| Tom[B] | if i understand correctly, i wouldn't have to reply to you in cola right? | Aug 15 23:55 |
| Tom[B] | because that i won't do anymore | Aug 15 23:55 |
| Snit | Hmmm... no. | Aug 15 23:55 |
| Tom[B] | okay, you've got yourself a deal then | Aug 15 23:55 |
| Snit | OK... though you would have to read my posts or give me some other way to ask you to take someone to task. | Aug 15 23:55 |
| Snit | I could even start the posts with Ping: TomB... so you do not have to read all of my posts. And ask you to do the same... | Aug 15 23:56 |
| Snit | Or some other way to get my attention on it. | Aug 15 23:56 |
| Tom[B] | nah, too disruptive | Aug 15 23:56 |
| Snit | Thank you for accepting this... I did not expect you to. | Aug 15 23:56 |
| Snit | OK, so how can we "alert" each other? | Aug 15 23:57 |
| Snit | I do not mind email | Aug 15 23:57 |
| Snit | But that seems "sneaky"... not trying to do anything behind anyone's back. | Aug 15 23:57 |
| Tom[B] | nah, to much work (i'm lazy) | Aug 15 23:57 |
| Snit | LOL! Fair enough... so what do you suggest? | Aug 15 23:57 |
| Snit | I have my client set to show me when my name is mentioned - so if you just ask "Snit, can you ask so-and-so to support that claim" I should see it. | Aug 15 23:58 |
| Snit | Oh and I would say it is not fair for either of us to pull up an old claim and ask the other to get involved with an old debate. Though it would be fun if I did that. :) | Aug 15 23:59 |
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