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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Hey #KitWat : TODAY @ 7:00 catch Indie @PeterDavisKW at Social Planning & Housing All Candidate Debate @ St. Marks, 825 King St !OntPoliSep 16 00:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Don't forget! Early bird registrations are now open for #LCA2012 linux.conf.au! bit.ly/pw29oC #linux #opensource #conference #AUSep 16 00:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] there needs to be a law that states if a corp change their TOS or T&C to include an illegal clause, it invalidates the whole thing #SonySep 16 00:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @wayneborean It doesn't matter if they care. *I* care. #roarSep 16 00:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] MSFT’s “Relationship With the Government” and Pressure for Countries to Adopt Intellectual Monopolies Using Shame Lists http://ur1.ca/53fsvSep 16 00:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] sleep well @kevieSep 16 00:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] MSFT’s “Relationship With the Government” and Pressure for Countries http://ur1.ca/53fsv #wlfind #cablegate !wl #microsoft #billgatesSep 16 00:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @x11r5 @gomerx Next on the content pages for new blood! Sending 'funny' emails is not goodSep 16 00:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Cablegate: Microsoft’s “Relationship With the Government” and Pressure for Countries to Adopt Intellectual Monopolies Using Shame Lists | Techrights .::. Size~: 196.3 KBSep 16 00:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Cablegate: Microsoft’s “Relationship With the Government” and Pressure for Countries to Adopt Intellectual Monopolies Using Shame Lists | Techrights .::. Size~: 196.3 KBSep 16 00:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] There is definitely something to be said for funny email, @x11r5Sep 16 00:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @schestowitz MSFT’s “Relationship With the Government” and Pressure for Countries to Adopt Intellectual Monopolies Using Shame Lists ...Sep 16 00:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] How I Was Taught to Obey Men, Birth 8 Kids and Do Battle Against Secular America http://is.gd/PNdxfH #TeaParty #FarRightSep 16 00:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: My Life as a Daughter in the Christian Patriarchy Movement -- How I Was Taught to Obey Men, Birth 8 Kids and Do Battle Against Secular America |  Tea Party and the Right | AlterNet .::. Size~: 108.59 KBSep 16 00:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Five Reasons to Try Joomla for Content Management http://tinyurl.com/3j38q5r #opensourceSep 16 00:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Five Reasons to Try Joomla for Content Management | PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 68.59 KBSep 16 00:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Nice HuffPo piece on Democracy Day (and why !Canada needs electoral reform) !DemocracyWeek !Fairvote http://ur1.ca/53fug !CdnPoliSep 16 00:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @karsten European Commission buys Microsoft for 20 years without competition http://ur1.ca/53dvm Disgrace, if you ask me #procurement ...Sep 16 00:15
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mark Crowley: Happy Democracy Day, Canada! Or Is it? .::. Size~: 230.16 KBSep 16 00:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle: European Commission buys Microsoft for 20 years without competition - 9/15/2011 - Computer Weekly .::. Size~: 70.25 KBSep 16 00:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] UBS Blames $2 Billion Loss on Rogue Trader http://ur1.ca/53fw7 http://ur1.ca/53fwi #ubs #fraud #crimeSep 16 00:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: UBS Blames $2 Billion Loss on Rogue Trader - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 64.59 KBSep 16 00:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Associated Press News - ReviewJournal.com .::. Size~: 56.52 KBSep 16 00:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] John Mack Stepping Down as Chairman of Morgan Stanley http://ur1.ca/53fwqSep 16 00:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] US: Deficit panel senses 'historic' moment http://ur1.ca/53fwt Questions and answers about the crisis in Greece http://ur1.ca/53fwwSep 16 00:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: John Mack Stepping Down as Chairman of Morgan Stanley - NYTimes.com .::. Size~: 61.31 KBSep 16 00:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Deficit panel senses 'historic' moment - Scott Wong and Manu Raju - POLITICO.com .::. Size~: 109.78 KBSep 16 00:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Oakland Tribune (AP) Online .::. Size~: 73.84 KBSep 16 00:24
DaemonFC(07:23:43 PM) aliva: beer tastes like piss. :DSep 16 00:25
DaemonFC(07:24:00 PM) aliva: I think they sell their piss instead of beerSep 16 00:25
DaemonFC(07:24:25 PM) aliva: warning: never buy beer here!Sep 16 00:25
DaemonFC(07:25:04 PM) DaemonFC: Canada?Sep 16 00:25
DaemonFC(07:25:06 PM) DaemonFC: :)Sep 16 00:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Lehman Brother Anniversary Bailout! http://ur1.ca/53fwy did not have enough cronies to force the public to subsidise its rescue(looting)Sep 16 00:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Lehman Brother Anniversary Bailout! | The Big Picture .::. Size~: 44.64 KBSep 16 00:26
DaemonFCthe Diginotar shitfest continues Sep 16 00:28
DaemonFCOpenSSL just got updated to blacklist themSep 16 00:28
schestowitzHuh?Sep 16 00:28
schestowitzamerican brand?Sep 16 00:29
schestowitzDaemonFC: if you want to uopset a mactroll, don't insult itSep 16 00:30
schestowitzJust say something about their prophet job, prefrably something malicious, and see them hopping madSep 16 00:30
schestowitzIt's quite amusing to see their reactions, I've tested that a bit recentlySep 16 00:30
schestowitzFunny thing is how even Microsoft trolls back Jobs because he serves the same interestSep 16 00:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Study: Privatizing government doesn’t actually save money http://ur1.ca/53fxc un-spinning 'franchisation'Sep 16 00:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] am I missing something, or has blip.tv stopped the ability to upload .ogv?Sep 16 00:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Study: Privatizing government doesn’t actually save money - The Washington Post .::. Size~: 103.45 KBSep 16 00:34
DaemonFCit lowers your taxes and then you end up paying more to some company to do the same thingSep 16 00:35
DaemonFCat least with public utilitiesSep 16 00:35
DaemonFCthen the politicians say "Hey, look how much we lowered your taxes!"Sep 16 00:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻@forteller Congrats to our Danish sisters and brothers for voting out the right wing racist government and voting in their first female PM!Sep 16 00:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I used to upload the mp4 as the master as it converts better, then the ogv as HD, there's no other option than master #bliptvSep 16 00:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻@forteller Congrats to our Danish sisters and brothers for voting out the right wing racist government and voting in their first female PM!Sep 16 00:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @bramalab: #CC #Summit Live #Streaming load test underway - please join in! http://wklej.org/id/594650/Sep 16 00:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] How NOT to Push a New Open Source License, Part 1 http://ur1.ca/53g81 by "barbie" from #GroklawSep 16 00:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Wklejka #594650 | Wklej.org .::. Size~: 22.48 KBSep 16 00:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Linux News: Legal: How NOT to Push a New Open Source License, Part 1 .::. Size~: 63.79 KBSep 16 00:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @Carolyn_Bennett Our son Ben's review of "Death of a Super Hero" http://ur1.ca/53gaa << sounds like a great film #TIFFSep 16 00:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Review: Death of a Superhero - TIFF 2011 | Toronto Film Scene .::. Size~: 50.33 KBSep 16 00:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Zenwalk – A Distro For Zen Computing http://ur1.ca/53gbf #gnu #linuxSep 16 00:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Zenwalk – A Distro For Zen Computing [Linux] .::. Size~: 40.51 KBSep 16 00:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Facepalm - the sound of one hand clapping!Sep 16 00:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Site builders: #Drupal vs. #Joomla vs. #WordPress http://ur1.ca/53gc4Sep 16 01:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Site builders: Drupal vs. Joomla vs. WordPress - Web services development, software, open source, content management, applications, application development - Computerworld .::. Size~: 114.91 KBSep 16 01:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @qu1j0t3 govt set 2 ram thru new electronic surveillance laws allowing authorities to access yr private information http://t.co/RS7VVkyCSep 16 01:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] New on our contributor spotlight: @paulbooker, contributor to #mozilla | http://opensource.comSep 16 01:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #BodhiLinux Powered Tablet/Netbook Give Away http://ur1.ca/53gdh or: Single-Developer Distro Climbs to Top of DistroWatchSep 16 01:02
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: opensource.com | Where Open Source Multiplies .::. Size~: 54.19 KBSep 16 01:02
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Thoughts on Technology: Bodhi Linux Powered Tablet/Netbook Give Away .::. Size~: 116.84 KBSep 16 01:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] What is The HeliOS Project? http://ur1.ca/53geu great project, spreads freedom to those in need. #gnu #linux a bonus.Sep 16 01:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Blog of Helios: What is The HeliOS Project? .::. Size~: 66.09 KBSep 16 01:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] #Tor relays and bridges must upgrade to help users in Iran circumvent govt. censorship: https://eff.org/r.1CdSep 16 01:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Iran blocks Tor; Tor releases same-day fix | The Tor Blog .::. Size~: 39.55 KBSep 16 01:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] » @eff: #Tor relays and bridges must upgrade to help users in Iran circumvent govt. censorship: https://eff.org/r.1CdSep 16 01:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Iran blocks Tor; Tor releases same-day fix | The Tor Blog .::. Size~: 39.55 KBSep 16 01:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @eff: #Tor relays and bridges must upgrade to help users in Iran circumvent govt. censorship: https://eff.org/r.1CdSep 16 01:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Iran blocks Tor; Tor releases same-day fix | The Tor Blog .::. Size~: 39.55 KBSep 16 01:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] U.S. border deal could compromise Canadian privacy: report http://ur1.ca/53gig on the Web, #privacy is already fully compromisedSep 16 01:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: U.S. border deal could compromise Canadian privacy: report | News | National Post .::. Size~: 67.25 KBSep 16 01:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Top 10 Career Choices for Yahoo's Ex-CEO Carol Bartz http://ur1.ca/53gm0 Christine owns Carol, Ballmer's henchwomanSep 16 01:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] now encoding: WarGamesSep 16 01:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Top 10 Career Choices for Yahoo&#8217;s Ex-CEO Carol Bartz « FOSS Force .::. Size~: 82.4 KBSep 16 01:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Number of US poor hit record 46 million in 2010 http://ur1.ca/53grn "poor" in the US is not the same as poor in African though. Trends show.Sep 16 01:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Number of poor hit record 46 million in 2010 | Reuters .::. Size~: 99.64 KBSep 16 01:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] be careful what you ask of @telecomix - we just got 1000 peers testing our servers. PURE AWESOME. <3 ~~~:) #ccsummitSep 16 01:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Four F's [IMG] http://i.imgur.com/m5ss1.jpgSep 16 01:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Software Freedom Day, Team Christchurch http://ur1.ca/53h3q !fsfSep 16 01:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Software Freedom Day, Team Christchurch | Scoop News .::. Size~: 72.49 KBSep 16 01:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Finally read through all of #MPL 2.0 in one sitting. Good work, #Mozilla & @tieguy. Wondering if possible alternative to !LGPL for #JBoss.Sep 16 01:51
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFg5s7cqD2A&feature=digest_refresh_monSep 16 01:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: *E*A*R*T*H*Q*U*A*K*E* JESUS!       - YouTube .::. Size~: 98.39 KBSep 16 01:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Circumbinary planet, Nice Kepler discovery. http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/kepler/news/kepler-16b.html #fbSep 16 01:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: NASA -  NASA’s Kepler Mission Discovers a World Orbiting Two Stars .::. Size~: 24.42 KBSep 16 01:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Wife says Beagle has taken a double dose of stupid pills today. Kleo appears to be trying to prove her right. Sigh. #dogsSep 16 02:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @TheTechScribe: Google stockpiles weapons of patent destruction http://ow.ly/6vSww Android creator picks up 1,023 IBM patentsSep 16 02:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 15/9/2011: Linux 3.1 RC6, X Server Newsfest http://ur1.ca/53hms !techrightsSep 16 02:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Links 15/9/2011: Linux 3.1 RC6, X Server Newsfest http://ur1.ca/53hms #techrightsSep 16 02:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Google stockpiles weapons of patent destruction | ITworld .::. Size~: 109.21 KBSep 16 02:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Links 15/9/2011: Linux 3.1 RC6, X Server Newsfest | Techrights .::. Size~: 122.28 KBSep 16 02:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Links 15/9/2011: Linux 3.1 RC6, X Server Newsfest | Techrights .::. Size~: 122.28 KBSep 16 02:07
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/83994821Sep 16 02:08
TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Friday, 16-Sep-11 00:25:44 UTC - Identi.ca: The Government Might Know You're Reading This  http://ur1.ca/53gq5 total tracking leads to totalitySep 16 02:08
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: The Government Might Know You're Reading This » Blog of Rights: Official Blog of the American Civil Liberties Union .::. Size~: 41.75 KBSep 16 02:08
schestowitzxjasonx: hiSep 16 02:08
xjasonxMONO pushers are having a field day today at my schoolSep 16 02:08
xjasonxhttp://www.slashgear.com/sony-playstation-suite-sdk-means-one-game-for-all-ps-certified-devices-15179995/Sep 16 02:08
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Sony PlayStation Suite SDK means one game for all PS Certified devices - SlashGear .::. Size~: 48.79 KBSep 16 02:08
xjasonxapparently PSP is going C#Sep 16 02:09
xjasonxand they are claiming it must be MONOSep 16 02:09
xjasonxwhat's up schestowitz? :)Sep 16 02:09
xjasonxkeep missing you when I log in here in the morningsSep 16 02:09
xjasonxgotta remember you are here at night :)Sep 16 02:09
xjasonx(well, night for me)Sep 16 02:10
schestowitzYes, was about to go to bedSep 16 02:10
xjasonxahSep 16 02:10
schestowitzthen you enteredSep 16 02:10
xjasonxso I gotta get online at night, but not too late ;)Sep 16 02:10
xjasonx(getting kinda late here actually)Sep 16 02:10
xjasonxaren't you in the UK? must be *really* late thereSep 16 02:11
xjasonxI was really hoping MONO was dead in the waterSep 16 02:11
xjasonx(still might be, maybe Sony is not using MONO - I can't find anything to say it is)Sep 16 02:12
xjasonxjust says they are moving to C# for their playstation devicesSep 16 02:12
schestowitzMono is nearly deadSep 16 02:12
schestowitzIt's irrlevamnt to Linux nowSep 16 02:12
schestowitzIt's just someting proprietarySep 16 02:12
schestowitzwith some 'open' in the coreSep 16 02:12
xjasonxstill, I was hoping the project itself would dieSep 16 02:13
xjasonxproprietary or notSep 16 02:13
xjasonxopen source or notSep 16 02:13
xjasonxnow I might need to worry about my video games using MONOSep 16 02:14
schestowitzno noSep 16 02:14
xjasonxugh, and contaminating Android:Sep 16 02:15
xjasonx"This will also mean that there will be more games available for Android devices that are PS Certified. Sony notes that it is working on expanding the list of current PS Certified devices to allow more bang for the buck when developing using the new SDK."Sep 16 02:15
xjasonxno no what?Sep 16 02:15
schestowitzjust too tired to typeSep 16 02:16
xjasonxahSep 16 02:17
xjasonxbtw, I read on omgugbuntu^H^Hmono that apparently someone picked up development of pintaSep 16 02:17
schestowitzI shall read the log in the monringSep 16 02:17
xjasonxokSep 16 02:17
schestowitzpaste if you find useful linksSep 16 02:17
xjasonxwill doSep 16 02:17
schestowitzI can organise those in the morningSep 16 02:17
schestowitzI have some cables to go throughj tooSep 16 02:18
schestowitzBNeed to meet a cluient in the afternoonSep 16 02:18
xjasonxokSep 16 02:18
schestowitzgnSep 16 02:18
xjasonxnightSep 16 02:18
xjasonxMinceR: you awake?Sep 16 02:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] @fontana why? Why is MPL 2.0 better than LGPL for JBoss?Sep 16 02:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻@bramalab thanks to @mczyzewski we have a script detecting browser capabilities and serving videostream the best way http://194.29.160.132/Sep 16 02:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WIKILEAKS PRESS RELEASESep 16 03:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good morning, @lohang !tzagSep 16 03:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] a good reminder from the not too distant past. "More Than A Customer" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gq-BPZ-Haj8 #fbSep 16 03:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: More than a customer       - YouTube .::. Size~: 74.75 KBSep 16 03:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Ziua Libertății Programelor (Software Freedom Day) în #București și #Arad http://softwarefreedomday.org #sfd #romania #software #computerSep 16 03:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] De de să deveniți membru Diaspora* http://tinyurl.com/5sv4nc4 #diaspora #romania #software #facebook #googleplusSep 16 03:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Why You Should Join Diaspora Now, Like Your Freedom Depends On It .::. Size~: 47.04 KBSep 16 03:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Why You Should Join Diaspora Now, Like Your Freedom Depends On It http://tinyurl.com/5sv4nc4 #diaspora #freedom #software #facebookSep 16 03:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @schestowitz ♻ @TheTechScribe: Google stockpiles weapons of patent destruction http://ow.ly/6vSww Android creator picks up 1,023 IBM ...Sep 16 03:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Why You Should Join Diaspora Now, Like Your Freedom Depends On It .::. Size~: 47.04 KBSep 16 03:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Google stockpiles weapons of patent destruction | ITworld .::. Size~: 109.15 KBSep 16 03:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Since Lee Hsien Loong said that SG would abolish ISA if Malaysia does, now that Malaysia Boleh, need to deliver! http://ur1.ca/53k2r #fbSep 16 04:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Lee Hsien Loong: Singapore “will consider scrapping ISA if KL does so” | The Online Citizen .::. Size~: 51.75 KBSep 16 04:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Happy 88th, Mr Lee Kuan Yew and it is fitting that Malaysia is abolishing the ISA! http://ur1.ca/53k35 #fbSep 16 04:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] US House 'Creator' of TSA Wants To Kill It http://is.gd/qEoXcrSep 16 04:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Feds wrongly raid home of CBS correspondent http://is.gd/D2NSLTSep 16 04:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: US House 'Creator' of TSA Wants To Kill It - Slashdot .::. Size~: 159.68 KBSep 16 04:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Feds wrongly raid home of CBS correspondent – Boing Boing .::. Size~: 20.98 KBSep 16 04:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] New species of dolphin discovered http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-14921665Sep 16 04:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BBC News - New species of dolphin discovered .::. Size~: 64.12 KBSep 16 04:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Dinosaur Feathers Found in Amber Reinforce Evolution Theories http://is.gd/CsaOEZSep 16 04:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Love this: Git for Computer Scientists - http://eagain.net/articles/git-for-computer-scientists/ #fbSep 16 04:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Dinosaur Feathers Found in Amber Reinforce Evolution Theories - Hans Villarica - Life - The Atlantic .::. Size~: 112.51 KBSep 16 04:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Git for Computer Scientists .::. Size~: 13.34 KBSep 16 04:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Mexico: two tortured, murdered as warning to those using Twitter and blogs to report narco-crime http://is.gd/GdH3UTSep 16 04:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mexico: two tortured, murdered as warning to those using Twitter and blogs to report narco-crime – Boing Boing .::. Size~: 26.36 KBSep 16 04:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Anonymous to launch more effective site-attack tool Saturday, when it occupies Wall Street http://is.gd/cofNAgSep 16 04:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Anonymous to launch more effective site-attack tool Saturday, when it occupies Wall Street | ITworld .::. Size~: 119.6 KBSep 16 04:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] FBI teaching agents that “Mainstream” Muslims are “Violent, Radical” http://is.gd/8ZsTT2Sep 16 04:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: FBI teaching agents that “Mainstream” Muslims are “Violent, Radical” – Boing Boing .::. Size~: 21.87 KBSep 16 04:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] Do I really want to disassemble the shisho odoshi on my kitchen counter? It's only been there for 2½ monthsSep 16 05:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] install, stupid !debian, install!(5th install try, hoping it doesn't freeze on me this time, maybe expert mode helps..)Sep 16 05:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] "Susan Lim: Transplant cells, not organs" - great TED talk by Singaporean doctor - http://www.ted.com/talks/susan_lim.html #fbSep 16 05:06
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Susan Lim: Transplant cells, not organs | Video on TED.com .::. Size~: 84.81 KBSep 16 05:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] RT @tr0n Los organizadores del #SFD han publicado un texto que debe colocarse en los CDs de GNU/Linux con componentes privativos: http:/ ...Sep 16 05:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] Software Freedom Day organizers, please print and share this SFD note: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Resources/CdNoticeSep 16 06:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Resources/CdNotice - Software Freedom Day Wiki .::. Size~: 11.16 KBSep 16 06:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] Organizadores do Dia da Liberdade de Software, favor distribuir essa nota do SFD: http://wiki.softwarefreedomday.org/Resources/CdNotice-ptSep 16 06:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] Organizadores del Día de la Libertad de Software, favor imprimir y distribuir esa nota del SFD: http://ur1.ca/53exsSep 16 06:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] !debian #fail'ed. perhaps I can do a qemu install then copy image to flash drive & dd over?Sep 16 06:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Friday's !InconstantMoon posted: http://ur1.ca/53ls4 "...he's holding the screwdriver wrong. Maggie didn't think that was possible."Sep 16 06:54
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DaemonFChttp://www.reghardware.com/2011/09/07/apple_mac_os_x_lion_the_nanny_os/Sep 16 07:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] too many blog posts, too many elections, too much government erosion of freedom... too many directions. Too tired, time to sleep.Sep 16 07:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good night !identiverse !tzafSep 16 07:04
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MinceRlolSep 16 07:20
MinceR"Lion by default locks files that haven't been touched for two weeks. Generally, you don't track that time, so you open an old file, start typing only to find that Lion is asking to unlock the file or create a duplicate."Sep 16 07:20
MinceRi wonder if osx is deliberately this user-hostileSep 16 07:20
DaemonFCbut not before a few keystrokes hit the screen anywaySep 16 07:20
DaemonFC:)Sep 16 07:20
DaemonFCUbuntu is turning into OS XSep 16 07:22
DaemonFCbugsSep 16 07:22
DaemonFCbad GUISep 16 07:22
DaemonFCDRMSep 16 07:22
DaemonFCit doesn't lock files yet though, but it does run a lot of unnecessary services related to file managementSep 16 07:23
DaemonFCdeja dup, even if you don't use itSep 16 07:23
DaemonFCUbuntu One, even if you don't need itSep 16 07:24
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MinceRyay, you scared monobacon away :>Sep 16 07:27
DaemonFChttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter#Buying_softwareSep 16 07:33
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DaemonFCMinceR would like to deauthorize his computer Sep 16 07:34
DaemonFC:)Sep 16 07:34
DaemonFCso that he can install UltraEdit on another systemSep 16 07:34
DaemonFC:DSep 16 07:34
MinceRwhat do i need UltraEdit for?Sep 16 07:35
DaemonFChttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=deauthorize-list.jpgSep 16 07:35
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DaemonFChttps://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareCenter?action=AttachFile&do=get&target=installed-software-wine.pngSep 16 07:36
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DaemonFCMinceR: World of Warcraft! ZOMG!Sep 16 07:36
DaemonFCMinceR: One thing I noticed is that in Unity, they use Nautilus to manage the desktop like GNOME used toSep 16 07:39
DaemonFCwhich their global bar picks up onSep 16 07:39
DaemonFCand if you click on the desktop, the global bar will treat it as if it were a Nautilus windowSep 16 07:39
DaemonFConly if you accidentally click new tab or press ctrl+t, it will try to open a new tabSep 16 07:40
DaemonFCwhich causes your desktop to go blankSep 16 07:40
DaemonFC:)Sep 16 07:40
MinceR:)Sep 16 07:40
DaemonFCbut just underneath the top bar, almost out of reach, is a tab close button which will take you back to your desktopSep 16 07:40
MinceRdoes unity let you change the focus policy?Sep 16 07:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovruni/@ovruni] Cables de WikiLeaks revelan que Al Jazeera elimina contenidos que molestan a EEUU: http://ur1.ca/53m2b !wikileaksSep 16 07:41
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DaemonFConly if you install compizconfig settings managerSep 16 07:41
DaemonFCand now, all changes to compiz require you to log out and back in before they take effectSep 16 07:41
MinceRyou could set it up so that if any window doesn't touch the top bar, you can't access its menu :>Sep 16 07:42
DaemonFCso without logging out and in, there's no way to see what whatever you've done will look likeSep 16 07:42
DaemonFCUnity is a cobbled together messSep 16 07:42
DaemonFCwith integrated DRM storeSep 16 07:42
MinceRjust like its role model, osxSep 16 07:43
DaemonFCI think I'll file some bugs on itSep 16 07:44
DaemonFCjust to see what they saySep 16 07:44
DaemonFCMinceR: https://bugs.launchpad.net/unity/+bug/851623Sep 16 07:49
DaemonFC:)Sep 16 07:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @bobduffy: The Daily Mobile Awesome is out! http://t.co/JLp4dHJm ▸ Top stories today via @johnproano @inteldevtools @geek8ive @johnflurrySep 16 08:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[meegoportal/@meegoportal] RT @Develop4AppUp Need AppUp training? Check our new on-demand training area for tips on SDKs, validation, marketing opps http://ow.ly/6qoxoSep 16 08:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @bramalab: seems we're back up - please test the !cc summit stream: ur1.ca/53dzg | bugs, features at @bramalab and #cc on freenode IRCSep 16 08:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] just met @lessig - oh glorious day! !cc ;)Sep 16 08:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Livestream for CC Global Summit in Warsaw starting soon! at http://creativecommons.pl/stream #ccsummit2011Sep 16 08:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] Fio(Flexible I/O tester) 1.58 has been tagged http://bit.ly/oNWyiz "Seems to be a fairly even mix between bug fixes and features" #benchmarkSep 16 08:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Find the #ccsummit2011 program and details at http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Global_Summit_2011Sep 16 08:41
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schestowitzhttp://www.cablegatesearch.net/cable.php?id=05SANJOSE2231Sep 16 08:53
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Cable reference id: #05SANJOSE2231 .::. Size~: 35.61 KBSep 16 08:53
schestowitz"harmonization of laws. "Sep 16 08:53
schestowitzEuhemism for making law more like the USSep 16 08:53
schestowitzNot the other way aroundSep 16 08:53
iophkAbout the Firefox downloads from MSIE users — the mantra "reformat, reinstall" ensures that all 3rd party apps get wiped.Sep 16 08:53
iophkThat leaves only MSIE available to retrieve FFSep 16 08:54
iophk.Sep 16 08:54
schestowitzhttp://www.cablegatesearch.net/cable.php?id=10KINSHASA92Sep 16 08:54
schestowitz"rganization for the Harmonization of Business Laws"Sep 16 08:54
schestowitzhttp://www.cablegatesearch.net/search.php?q=patent+harmonization&qorigin=0&sort=1Sep 16 08:54
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DaemonFChttp://fossplanet.com/f13/re-fedora-16-feels-slow-192833/Sep 16 09:07
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DaemonFCit isn't just meSep 16 09:07
DaemonFCapparently they have enabled some debugging crap on the kernel which kills performanceSep 16 09:08
iophkWhy did they leave that turned on?Sep 16 09:08
DaemonFCI'm not sureSep 16 09:08
DaemonFCI tried the rc6 kernel and it improved, but only slightlySep 16 09:08
MinceRdid you try building your own? :>Sep 16 09:09
DaemonFCthat defeats the point of a distributionSep 16 09:09
DaemonFC"Sep 16 09:09
DaemonFCAlso with the debug kernels my machine used to go in thermal shutdownSep 16 09:09
DaemonFC2/3 times a day while compiling or yum installing."Sep 16 09:09
DaemonFCI got a couple of thoseSep 16 09:09
DaemonFCif they want people to test it you'd think being able to use it would be a prerequisite Sep 16 09:10
DaemonFCUbuntu has cornered the market on the devolving Linux desktopSep 16 09:12
DaemonFCFedora will no doubt fix this before they declare it releasedSep 16 09:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RT @evan Identi.ca and other StatusNet cloud sites will be upgrading to 1.0.0 over the weekend. Significant downtime expected. http://ur ...Sep 16 09:12
DaemonFCone guy suggests installing the 2.6.40 (3.0 with different release number to make Fedora 15 happy) kernel from F15 as a work aroundSep 16 09:13
DaemonFCAdam Williamson 2011-09-09 20:21:56 EDTSep 16 09:15
DaemonFCFor the lulz, here's the numbers from 2.6.40.4-5.fc15, the current F15 kernelSep 16 09:15
DaemonFC(so should be quite similar to 3.0.1-3 but without debugging code). It's twiceSep 16 09:15
DaemonFCas fast as 3.0.1-3 on 100x100. So it seems debugging code has a definiteSep 16 09:15
DaemonFCimpact, but is not the whole story.Sep 16 09:15
DaemonFC*sigh*Sep 16 09:15
MinceRDaemonFC: no, building one of the packages from source does not defeat the point of a distribution :>Sep 16 09:17
schestowitzhttp://www.prurgent.com/2011-09-15/pressrelease195798.htmSep 16 09:20
TechrightsBot-trTitle: NoMachine Sponsor of 2011 Ohio LinuxFest .::. Size~: 20.38 KBSep 16 09:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] oh, and in case anybody is wondering - @lessig's keynote starts tomorrow at 17:00 (5PM) CEST. and it will be streamed, too. !ccSep 16 09:21
DaemonFCthe GNOME 3 desktop ISO is ending up being smaller than the XFCE one latelySep 16 09:25
DaemonFCI wonder how that happenedSep 16 09:25
DaemonFCugghSep 16 09:26
*DaemonFC goes back to fanboys listsSep 16 09:26
DaemonFCsick of seeing those stupid +1 buttonsSep 16 09:26
DaemonFCseems they're on every site nowSep 16 09:27
DaemonFCgreat for Google tracking youSep 16 09:27
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MinceRperhaps the XFCE ISO takes a lot of GNOME stuff with itSep 16 09:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Five Reasons to Try #Joomla for Content Management http://is.gd/bfiVJq #gpl #cmsSep 16 09:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] GNOME Shell 3.1.91.1 Released With One-Click Installation Support For Extensions http://is.gd/PMpbBI #gnome #desktop #gnu #linuxSep 16 09:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Five Reasons to Try Joomla for Content Management | PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 68.11 KBSep 16 09:29
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DaemonFCit doesSep 16 09:29
DaemonFCthe GNOME Packagekit and Cheese to name a coupleSep 16 09:29
DaemonFCseems lately that almost every distro is putting GNOME 3 crap in XFCESep 16 09:30
DaemonFCand we're back to seeing how we can best bloat a "light" desktopSep 16 09:30
MinceRindeedSep 16 09:31
MinceRbut at least the plumbing fuckups are kept outSep 16 09:31
MinceRunconfigurable power managers, window managers and desktop managers and panels that keep crashing, and the likeSep 16 09:31
DaemonFCI like how they shove Pulseaudio in even though xfce's mixer can't really configure itSep 16 09:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #ALTLinux 6 Simply review http://is.gd/ngy0L6 "This article is a review of ALT Linux 6 Simply"Sep 16 09:32
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DaemonFCand you end up needing tools that upstream declared deprecated because GNOME and KDE support that stuffSep 16 09:32
MinceRat least if it's deprecated, they won't turn it into crap :>Sep 16 09:33
MinceRupstream, that isSep 16 09:33
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/mayank_a/status/114580619316576256Sep 16 09:36
TechrightsBot-tr@mayank_a: With all the patent wars going on.. maybe it is time we have something similar to GNU & GPL for patents @schestowitz @FOSSpatents Comments?Sep 16 09:36
DaemonFCyou are hereby entitled to pay us for these patentsSep 16 09:37
DaemonFCand to share this freedom with your friendsSep 16 09:37
DaemonFCI kind of wonder when someone will make a proper GNOME 3 spin of UbuntuSep 16 09:40
DaemonFCthe GNOME Shell they have works well enough, aside from all the Ubuntu crap it's saddled with, like overlay scrollbarsSep 16 09:40
DaemonFChttp://ubuntuforums.org/showpost.php?p=11250661&postcount=7Sep 16 09:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ubuntu Forums - View Single Post -  How to disable Unity? .::. Size~: 9.31 KBSep 16 09:41
DaemonFCUbuntu Forums is as helpful as everSep 16 09:42
DaemonFCMinceR, If you don't like Unity, go use Windows or MacSep 16 09:42
DaemonFC:)Sep 16 09:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Google is not guilty of violating copyright on the names of the APIs." http://is.gd/9z0nwISep 16 09:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Google Wins a Part of Its Motion for Summary Judgment at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 41.48 KBSep 16 09:42
MinceRwell, at least they pretend they don't want you to just use windows or osx anywaySep 16 09:42
DaemonFCit's funny that they let *some* users run around insulting others and being an assSep 16 09:43
DaemonFCas long as it's in defense of whatever Canonical is up to latelySep 16 09:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Don't forget to also check out the http://wiki.creativecommons.org/Global_Summit_2011/Unconference in addition to #ccsummit2011 program!Sep 16 09:46
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Unconference - CC Wiki .::. Size~: 25.39 KBSep 16 09:46
DaemonFCI might try it on....ahemSep 16 09:46
DaemonFCZOMG MINCER, UNITY IS PERFECT! IF YOU ARE INCAPABLE OF GRASPING THIS, GO USE WINDOWS! IT EVEN HAS BANSHEE AND METRO NOW!Sep 16 09:47
DaemonFCB-)Sep 16 09:47
MinceR:>Sep 16 09:47
MinceRyou need a sockpuppet who advertises osx with a similar line :>Sep 16 09:47
MinceRin preparation for the next step, in which the official stance will be "don't use gnu/linux, use windows and/or osx, preferably both"Sep 16 09:48
DaemonFCZOMG, OS X LOCKS YOUR DOCUMENTS FOR NO REASON, AND ITS A FEATURE CUZ I ASKED THE *GENIUS* AND THEY SAID IT WAS A FEATURE AND SO IS NOT LETTING YOU DELETE YOUR DOCUMENTS! WINDOZE AND LUNIX DONT PROTECT YOU FROM YOURSELF LIKE THAT! ZOMG TIME MACHINE IM GONNA CUM!!!!Sep 16 09:49
MinceR:>Sep 16 09:49
KryczekughSep 16 09:50
DaemonFCpreferably both at the same timeSep 16 09:50
DaemonFCget OS X Lion and run Windows 8 in Parallels Sep 16 09:50
DaemonFC:DSep 16 09:50
Kryczekreminds me of a Windows Server that for some reason, even though I was full admin, had decided that I didn't have the right to kill processes anymoreSep 16 09:50
MinceR:>Sep 16 09:50
MinceRor run osx in hype-v?Sep 16 09:50
DaemonFCTHATS LIKE ZOMG ILLEGAL AND STUFF BECAUSE OF THE APPLE EULA!!!Sep 16 09:50
DaemonFCYOU CRIMINAL!!!Sep 16 09:50
MinceR:DSep 16 09:51
DaemonFC:DSep 16 09:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] AP Review Finds No WikiLeaks Sources Threatened http://is.gd/lrY0Oe more cables to be released in !techrights tonightSep 16 09:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @einfeldt: RT @SenatorSanders: Must Read: The Limping Middle Class - @RBReich http://t.co/Kz51QwMvSep 16 09:51
*Kryczek loves the obedience of LinuxSep 16 09:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: AP Review Finds No WikiLeaks Sources Threatened | Common Dreams .::. Size~: 50.18 KBSep 16 09:51
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Kryczek# kill -9 -1Sep 16 09:51
Kryczek<linux> sir! yes sir!Sep 16 09:51
Kryczek* linux commits suicideSep 16 09:51
DaemonFCI ran sudo rm -rf / on a bunch of demo Macs onceSep 16 09:52
DaemonFCthey obey itSep 16 09:52
Kryczekgood :)Sep 16 09:52
DaemonFCtheir password was even pretty tough to crackSep 16 09:52
DaemonFCwho would have guessed applestore?Sep 16 09:52
DaemonFCright? :DSep 16 09:53
MinceR:>Sep 16 09:53
KryczekhahahaSep 16 09:53
MinceRsadly, their POSIX compliance is otherwise not so great, according to an ex-coworkerSep 16 09:53
schestowitzIt isSep 16 09:53
schestowitzExcept the the IX (UNIX)Sep 16 09:53
Kryczekalso, that reminds me of an attendee to a Linux training a friend of mine was attendingSep 16 09:53
DaemonFCso what's the deal with cdrtools and cdrkit?Sep 16 09:54
Kryczekguy ended up deleting system files, dont remember how exactlySep 16 09:54
Kryczekthen was surprised it didnt work well anymoreSep 16 09:54
DaemonFCthe cdrtools guy still claims cdrkit is both broken and illegal to distributeSep 16 09:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @SenatorSanders: More Americans are living in poverty today than any other time on record. Currently, 22% of our children live in povertySep 16 09:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Slashdot is still advertising #Microsoft today (even an hour ago). This is news for geeks?Sep 16 09:54
Kryczekand declared "Linux is not that stable"Sep 16 09:54
DaemonFCI'm burning a Fedora 16 nightly with GNOME 3.2Sep 16 09:54
DaemonFCsince they claim that this latest kernel fixes those freeze upsSep 16 09:54
schestowitzisn't 3.2 due by the 28th?Sep 16 09:55
schestowitzyou're usign a betaSep 16 09:55
DaemonFCI'd like to be able to at least poke around GNOME 3.2 without the entire desktop freezing and needing a hard resetSep 16 09:55
schestowitzbeta 2 iircSep 16 09:55
DaemonFCit's the RC I thinkSep 16 09:55
DaemonFCor whateverSep 16 09:55
DaemonFCit's feature completeSep 16 09:55
schestowitzso?Sep 16 09:55
schestowitzIt might still have bugsSep 16 09:55
schestowitzand then you'll blame "3.2"Sep 16 09:55
schestowitzGNOME NEVER had bugs (sarcasm)Sep 16 09:56
DaemonFCGNOME 3.1.91 will have bugsSep 16 09:56
DaemonFCbut so will GNOME 3.2Sep 16 09:56
DaemonFCKDE 4.7.1 has bugsSep 16 09:56
schestowitzthose are features !Sep 16 09:56
DaemonFCall nontrivial software will have bugsSep 16 09:56
DaemonFCthe only differentiator is a bug that's understandable vs. a "Holy shit, how the hell did this get into a RELEASE?"Sep 16 09:57
DaemonFC:)Sep 16 09:57
DaemonFCI ran into several of the latter with Windows 7Sep 16 09:58
DaemonFCstuff that anyone who used it for half an hour would have likely ran intoSep 16 09:58
DaemonFCMicrosoft ships releases with bugs you'd expect to find in beta quality softwareSep 16 09:58
DaemonFCthis isn't a new thing, more of a traditionSep 16 09:58
DaemonFCUbuntu seems to be developing the same oneSep 16 09:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Software Freedom Day is tomorrow! http://softwarefreedomday.sg/ Starts at 9 at NLB, Victoria Street. #fbSep 16 09:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Software Freedom Day is tomorrow! http://softwarefreedomday.sg/ Starts at 9 at NLB, Victoria Street. #fb #sfds2011Sep 16 09:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] Giorgos Cheliotis giving talk on "Assessing CC growth" at #ccsummit2011 http://creativecommons.pl/streamSep 16 09:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: softwarefreedomday.sg | Celebrating free and open source software in Singapore .::. Size~: 24.58 KBSep 16 09:59
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DaemonFCanyway, CD is done, lets see how this ends up :PSep 16 09:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] http://linux.com/ is down, but Slashdot too has been compromised. Their content section is filled with ads. :-)Sep 16 10:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Does HTC Have Its Sights Set on Acquiring #webOS from HP? http://is.gd/oW7Tcq #hp #linux #htcSep 16 10:02
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MinceRgeekingsSep 16 10:03
Kryczekgeekings gentlemanSep 16 10:03
MinceRhow are you gentlemen !!Sep 16 10:04
schestowitzrawr!Sep 16 10:04
KryczekMinceR: I was saying you are, but ok, sorry :DSep 16 10:05
MinceRi know, but it reminded me of this line from zero wingSep 16 10:05
MinceRwhich i sometimes use as a greeting on ircSep 16 10:05
MinceR:>Sep 16 10:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Even Apple’s extremely dumbed-down operating system failed. OS2 failed. Windows failed. Linux failed." http://is.gd/0JUdYW caution: #zdnetSep 16 10:06
Kryczekah, sorry, failed to spot the reference :)Sep 16 10:06
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KryczekI really hope we don't end up with desktop iPhonesSep 16 10:08
MinceRsame hereSep 16 10:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #MSBBC plays ball for #MPAA by labelling service and its users "Web pirates" http://is.gd/tPeZqM very shallow, BBC. See http://is.gd/um5tvzSep 16 10:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BBC News - Web pirates ready block-busting software .::. Size~: 61.05 KBSep 16 10:09
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Kryczekwhich unfortunately, seeing where OS X and Windows 8 are going, could very well happen :|Sep 16 10:09
MinceRthis is what i feared when obstacle came up with the "NC"Sep 16 10:12
MinceRthankfully that didn't fulfill the dreamSep 16 10:12
Kryczekcan't find obstacle nc on google... what is it? :)Sep 16 10:13
MinceRi call oracle "obstacle"Sep 16 10:13
MinceRothers call it "SCOracle"Sep 16 10:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Try #BodhiLinux for beauty and customizability http://is.gd/xPbnSE a rising star perhaps?Sep 16 10:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Kolab Groupware Solution wins CH Open Source “Community Award” 2011 http://is.gd/8nzMIG gateway drug to Free software enterpriseSep 16 10:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Try Bodhi Linux for beauty and customizability - unix, software, operating systems, open source, non-Windows, Linux - Good Gear Guide .::. Size~: 49.41 KBSep 16 10:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ICFOSS launches open access journal http://is.gd/LRT1Rz Open Access rising. #OpenAccessSep 16 10:16
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schestowitziophk:  http://is.gd/8nzMIG Sep 16 10:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Kolab Groupware Solution wins CH Open Source “Community Award” 2011 | SourceWire .::. Size~: 33.13 KBSep 16 10:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] Attention programmers! #CfP for open programming miniconf at #LCA2012 linux.conf.au now open! http://bit.ly/nTSWCz // cc @chrisjrnSep 16 10:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Open Programming Miniconf 2012 -- Submit A Proposal .::. Size~: 8.09 KBSep 16 10:41
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iophkschestowitz: thanksSep 16 10:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] There is a #ballot #vote for #OpenDocument at #OASIS going on #ODF http://tinyurl.com/6dnauav #officeSep 16 10:49
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DaemonFCMinceR, I had thought about following the 3.1 kernel with my own builds on KubuntuSep 16 10:53
DaemonFCjust because I canSep 16 10:53
DaemonFCbut I really don't know if I want to round up the patches neededSep 16 10:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 'Open Courses, Open Teaching, This Is Dangerous' http://is.gd/HHXz6r "I can have my own version that works the way that I want it to."Sep 16 10:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ‘Fenix’-like rise into open source profits http://is.gd/ndMN6Z \Sep 16 10:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Tyee – 'Open Courses, Open Teaching, This Is Dangerous' .::. Size~: 75.42 KBSep 16 10:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: ‘Fenix’-like rise into open source profits - Opinion - Ottawa Business Journal .::. Size~: 48.89 KBSep 16 10:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Explaining Open Source to students in 2015 http://is.gd/9knL9O explaining secret code is hardSep 16 10:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Explaining Open Source to students in 2015 - Spannerman's Edublog .::. Size~: 72.28 KBSep 16 10:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Three reasons I love #Android http://is.gd/9xuuBK "Android is proudly open source"Sep 16 11:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Three reasons I love Android | Gearburn .::. Size~: 66.39 KBSep 16 11:04
DaemonFCschestowitz, that Fedora CD is so wonky that I didn't feel comfortable trying to install itSep 16 11:07
DaemonFC:PSep 16 11:07
DaemonFCit still has their 3.1 rc5 with debug crapSep 16 11:07
DaemonFCif that wasn't bad enough, I noticed the volume icon kept disappearing and reappearing and everytime it does, the shell freezesSep 16 11:08
DaemonFC:)Sep 16 11:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Anti-Piracy Group Will Sue Pay Processors If They Don’t Name Site Admins - http://bit.ly/pqhzVY will just lead to clever workaroundsSep 16 11:09
TechrightsBot-tr@: Sep 16 11:09
DaemonFCYou have asked Aurora to connectSep 16 11:10
DaemonFCsecurely to www.torrentfreak.com, but we can't confirm that your connection is secure.Sep 16 11:10
DaemonFChehSep 16 11:10
DaemonFCwww.torrentfreak.com uses an invalid security certificate.Sep 16 11:10
DaemonFCThe certificate is not trusted because no issuer chain was provided.Sep 16 11:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Study Proves Gulf War Syndrome is Nerve Gas-Induced Brain Damage - http://gaw.kr/o15b1Q gosh, what a surpriseSep 16 11:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Study Proves Gulf War Syndrome is Nerve Gas-Induced Brain Damage .::. Size~: 165.88 KBSep 16 11:11
DaemonFChttp://torrentfreak.com/canadian-police-issue-file-sharing-scam-letters-fraud-warning-110915/Sep 16 11:13
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iophkhttp://blogs.dallasobserver.com/unfairpark/2011/09/gulf_war_syndrome_is_brain_dam.phpSep 16 11:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Gulf War Syndrome Is Brain Damage Caused By Nerve Gas, Not Psychological Issues, UT Southwestern Study Proves - Dallas News - Unfair Park .::. Size~: 129.15 KBSep 16 11:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Mike Shaver Leaves Mozilla, again http://is.gd/flDvts #mozillaSep 16 11:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Gulf War Syndrome Is Brain Damage Caused By Nerve Gas, Not Psychological Issues, UT Southwestern Study Proves http://is.gd/QeooS3 #war #gasSep 16 11:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mike Shaver Leaves Mozilla, again - InternetNews. .::. Size~: 32.73 KBSep 16 11:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Gulf War Syndrome Is Brain Damage Caused By Nerve Gas, Not Psychological Issues, UT Southwestern Study Proves - Dallas News - Unfair Park .::. Size~: 129.23 KBSep 16 11:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] how popular is the name Sue for daughters of lawyers working for #patent trolls?Sep 16 11:19
abushcrafterI sent the bbc a complaint/link about the incorrect android articles and to follow the links in the article that I linked to. There is there reply: Dear Audience MemberSep 16 11:19
abushcrafterReference CAS-978441-LF553RSep 16 11:19
abushcrafterThanks for contacting the BBC.Sep 16 11:19
abushcrafterI understand that you have concerns with the BBC's reports on technology, as seen in the techrights.orgSep 16 11:19
abushcrafteryour provided a link to.Sep 16 11:19
abushcrafterWhilst I appreciate your concerns, we cannot comment on articles published online or in the media.Sep 16 11:19
abushcrafterNevertheless, we’re guided by the feedback we receive and I can assure you I've registered your complaint on our audience log. This is a daily report of audience feedback that's made available to all BBC staff, including members of the BBC Executive Board, channel controllers and other senior managers.Sep 16 11:19
abushcrafterThe audience logs are seen as important documents that can help shape decisions about future programming and content.Sep 16 11:19
abushcrafterThanks for taking the time to contact us.Sep 16 11:19
abushcrafterKind RegardsSep 16 11:19
abushcrafterMark RobertsSep 16 11:19
abushcrafterBBC ComplaintsSep 16 11:19
schestowitzeyHey, abushcrafterSep 16 11:21
abushcrafterhelloSep 16 11:21
DaemonFCno comment!Sep 16 11:21
DaemonFC:)Sep 16 11:21
schestowitzYes, they cannot commentSep 16 11:21
schestowitzAbout anything but the BBCSep 16 11:22
schestowitzSo it's a circular feedback mechanismSep 16 11:22
schestowitzIt's like those buttons that make the user feel like he/she is in control, but has no real effect (Windows updates for example)Sep 16 11:22
abushcrafterI hope it's not like that. I guess we will see...Sep 16 11:23
schestowitzI'm sure the BBC will cover Android soon... if something goes wrong with AndroidSep 16 11:23
DaemonFCschestowitz, the last time I went to put together a custom Windows XP x64 disc, it needed SP2 + almost 1,000 individual hotfixes, and directx runtime updates, and IE and Windows Media Player updates....and much moreSep 16 11:24
DaemonFCit took me hours just to gather the updates Sep 16 11:24
DaemonFC:PSep 16 11:24
DaemonFCnow you can't even make yourself an updated discSep 16 11:25
abushcrafterperhaps I should say "I will see" not "we will see".Sep 16 11:25
DaemonFCyou have to install the original version, install the service packs on top of that, then install each update on top of thatSep 16 11:25
DaemonFCbut Microsoft does release integrated SP discs to MSDN subscribers :)Sep 16 11:25
abushcrafterbut then xp is 6 years old... but it is still rubbishSep 16 11:26
DaemonFCbut everyone else gets to wait several hours to install updates to each installation of Vista or 7Sep 16 11:26
DaemonFCabushcrafter, I counted the number of Windows XP updates if you broke up the service packs and hotfixes (including the ones you need to have a software assurance account to get)Sep 16 11:26
DaemonFCbetween the original Windows XP from 2001 and now there's over 4,000 patchesSep 16 11:27
DaemonFChave fun managing thatSep 16 11:27
DaemonFC:)Sep 16 11:27
iophkHow many of those patches actually work?  :PSep 16 11:27
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abushcrafterlolSep 16 11:27
DaemonFCwell, most of themSep 16 11:27
DaemonFCbut XP always finds another way to piss you offSep 16 11:27
DaemonFCit is WindowsSep 16 11:27
DaemonFC:)Sep 16 11:27
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DaemonFCsome end up breaking something elseSep 16 11:28
abushcrafterOne of the things I want to do is blow up a windows disc and/or other windows junk, like packaging.Sep 16 11:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] On Lehman Day,Elizabeth Warren Runs Against “Wall Street’s Favorite” http://is.gd/zlVBUH she'll be their nightmare if she does her job rightSep 16 11:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: On Lehman Day, Elizabeth Warren Runs Against “Wall Street’s Favorite” | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 51.09 KBSep 16 11:29
schestowitz[11:26] <abushcrafter> but then xp is 6 years old... but it is still rubbishSep 16 11:29
abushcrafterI have the gu powder :)Sep 16 11:29
schestowitzVista is 6 years oldSep 16 11:29
schestowitzNov 2006 RTMSep 16 11:29
abushcrafterohSep 16 11:29
schestowitzXP is 10 years oldSep 16 11:29
schestowitzVIsta is 5Sep 16 11:29
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abushcrafterthanksSep 16 11:29
schestowitzis vista sp2 ever coming?Sep 16 11:30
schestowitzor is it just called vista7?Sep 16 11:30
DaemonFCthere is a Vista SP2Sep 16 11:30
schestowitzfre upgrade?Sep 16 11:30
abushcraftervista7!Sep 16 11:30
DaemonFCand a Platform Update to install over thatSep 16 11:30
DaemonFCwhich backports some Windows 7 stuffSep 16 11:30
DaemonFCincluding DirectX 11Sep 16 11:30
iophkI though it was up to Vista 8 alreadySep 16 11:30
DaemonFCno, that's Big Ass PhoneSep 16 11:31
DaemonFCwith Optional Vista7 Classic DesktopSep 16 11:31
abushcrafterSo anything for me to blow up with pyroSep 16 11:31
abushcrafter?Sep 16 11:32
abushcrafterthats win rubbish that isSep 16 11:32
DaemonFCapparently the default is Big Ass PhoneSep 16 11:32
DaemonFCand the Classic desktop is presented as one of its appsSep 16 11:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Mike Shaver moving on from #mozilla - http://bit.ly/oTEAI7 being interesting to see where he goes nextSep 16 11:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Schlechte Aussichten: Netzneutralität im Europäischen Parlament - http://bit.ly/pHdeJQ things looking bad #netneutrality #euSep 16 11:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Archos G9 Tablets up for Pre-Sale on September 20 http://is.gd/18jWq4 running #linuxSep 16 11:36
TechrightsBot-trTitle: shaver » moving on .::. Size~: 39.51 KBSep 16 11:36
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Schlechte Aussichten: Netzneutralität im Europäischen Parlament » Von Kirsten » netzpolitik.org .::. Size~: 49.53 KBSep 16 11:36
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MinceRhttp://www.dilbert.com/2011-04-04/Sep 16 11:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The official Dilbert website with Scott Adams' color comic strips, animation, mashups and more! .::. Size~: 29.24 KBSep 16 11:38
abushcrafterany thoughts on the Touch Book by AISep 16 11:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Linux-powered Vigor Has 720x1280 Pixels Display http://is.gd/xkabsaSep 16 11:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] This Guy Stuffed Almost a Kilo of Cocaine Down His Throat - http://gaw.kr/rklSCr how sad can you get?Sep 16 11:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: HTC Vigor: First Press Shot .::. Size~: 47.72 KBSep 16 11:39
TechrightsBot-trTitle: This Guy Stuffed Almost a Kilo of Cocaine Down His Throat .::. Size~: 167.46 KBSep 16 11:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ave/@ave] RT @glynmoody This Guy Stuffed Almost a Kilo of Cocaine Down His Throat - http://gaw.kr/rklSCr how sad can you get?Sep 16 11:41
TechrightsBot-trTitle: This Guy Stuffed Almost a Kilo of Cocaine Down His Throat .::. Size~: 165.32 KBSep 16 11:41
MinceRthe first tablet pc with dockable keyboard?Sep 16 11:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #EclipseCon Europe celebrates tenth anniversary of #Eclipse http://is.gd/z3xwJfSep 16 11:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle: EclipseCon Europe celebrates tenth anniversary of Eclipse - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 38.45 KBSep 16 11:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] all plasma active related branches in kde-workspace are merged and gone. this means that vanilla master or KDE/4.7 builds are enough nowSep 16 11:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] What is #CORS @yamatt ?Sep 16 11:49
*DaemonFC gets MinceR an Origami with Windows XPSep 16 11:50
DaemonFC:)Sep 16 11:50
*MinceR accepts and disinfects itSep 16 11:50
schestowitzTurns out this one is fake.. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aBO1rNx7YBwSep 16 11:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: World's Most Embarassing News Blooper?       - YouTube .::. Size~: 85.56 KBSep 16 11:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Federal Courts Making It More Expensive To Access Records, Even As They're Swimming In Cash - http://bit.ly/nR04Ny + #opensource #FUDSep 16 11:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @metztli: …nothing wrong with media organizations spinning world events to suit their masters' interest$ —just don't call it #journalismSep 16 11:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Federal Courts Making It More Expensive To Access Records, Even As They're Swimming In Cash | Techdirt .::. Size~: 32.54 KBSep 16 11:56
schestowitzDaemonFC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I_gw_pOC6HUSep 16 11:57
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mačak mantra ženi s knjigom na glavi       - YouTube .::. Size~: 84.54 KBSep 16 11:57
sosmanThe cat is making a call to prayerSep 16 11:58
schestowitz:-)Sep 16 11:59
MinceR"meow"Sep 16 11:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] on screen keyboard .. 1982 style: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQoA9Ul-YS0 .. ah, apple ][, i still <3 you.Sep 16 11:59
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Apple IIe switched on after 15 years       - YouTube .::. Size~: 85.21 KBSep 16 11:59
schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VhnVQizc69c&NR=1Sep 16 12:00
TechrightsBot-trTitle: かんべんしてよぉ~       - YouTube .::. Size~: 88.35 KBSep 16 12:00
iophkOn the Apple ][e, the ctrl key is in the correct position on the keyboardSep 16 12:01
MinceRwhich is the "correct" position? and why is it the "correct" position?Sep 16 12:03
iophkIt's immediately to the left of the A keySep 16 12:03
iophkThat's most ergonomicSep 16 12:03
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iophkThe position on the same row as the space bar is bad ergonomicsSep 16 12:04
iophkconsidering how frequently it must be used in many desktopsSep 16 12:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] New computer programming in schools project reflects Royal Society concerns - http://bit.ly/qPfNke but will open source figure much?Sep 16 12:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Lib Dems get a chance to vote on #copyright reform - http://bit.ly/mT4jrx #libdem intellectual & moral decline continues (v @copyrightgirl)Sep 16 12:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: New computer programming scheme in schools reflects Royal Society concerns | Royal Society .::. Size~: 41.07 KBSep 16 12:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Lib Dems get a chance to vote on copyright reform | Technology | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 152.85 KBSep 16 12:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 16/9/2011: Unity Contributor Report, Archos G9 Linux Tablets http://is.gd/e1Pzp6 !techrightsSep 16 12:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Links 16/9/2011: Unity Contributor Report, Archos G9 Linux Tablets http://is.gd/e1Pzp6 #techrightsSep 16 12:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @evan Identi.ca and other StatusNet cloud sites will be upgrading to 1.0.0 over the weekend. Significant downtime expected. http://ur ...Sep 16 12:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @thistleweb: how popular is the name Sue for daughters of lawyers working for #patent trolls?Sep 16 12:09
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schestowitzhttp://gawker.com/5840900/study-proves-gulf-war-syndrome-is-nerve-gas+induced-brain-damage Study Proves Gulf War Syndrome is Nerve Gas-Induced Brain DamageSep 16 12:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Study Proves Gulf War Syndrome is Nerve Gas-Induced Brain Damage .::. Size~: 165.82 KBSep 16 12:09
schestowitzFrom GlynSep 16 12:09
schestowitzI have a friend who fought thereSep 16 12:10
schestowitzThen there's enriched uraniumSep 16 12:10
iophkEnriched uranium is going to be another problem.Sep 16 12:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Insurer: music-festival tragedy caused by illegal downloading - http://bit.ly/pAQJiZ clutching at straws a little, perhaps?Sep 16 12:11
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Insurer: music-festival tragedy caused by illegal downloading – Boing Boing .::. Size~: 20.53 KBSep 16 12:11
iophkI meant Depleted uraniumSep 16 12:11
iophkDU dust contaminated a lot of areas where the military was activeSep 16 12:11
iophk!google depleted uranium gulfSep 16 12:12
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - HEALTH EFFECTS OF DEPLETED URANIUM ON EXPOSED GULF ... | http://www.pdhealth.mil/downloads/EHEffects_DU.pdfSep 16 12:12
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Depleted Uranium Health ... - U.S. Government Accountability Office | http://www.gao.gov/new.items/ns00070.pdfSep 16 12:12
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Depleted Uranium/Gulf War Syndrom - International Action Center | http://www.iacenter.org/images/du_snafu.pdfSep 16 12:12
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Gulf War Veterans and Depleted Uranium | http://www.ccnr.org/du_hague.htmlSep 16 12:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @glynmoody: Anti-Piracy Group Will Sue Pay Processors If They Don’t Name Site Admins - http://bit.ly/pqhzVYSep 16 12:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @thistleweb many minimum wage schmucks will be out of work losing billions to the economy if people fix things instead of buy new thingsSep 16 12:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @aseigo: all plasma active related branches in kde-workspace are merged and gone. this means that vanilla master or KDE/4.7 builds are...Sep 16 12:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @aseigo: on screen keyboard .. 1982 style: http://is.gd/tE8rkI .. ah, apple ][, i still <3 you.Sep 16 12:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Open Data in Portugal - http://bit.ly/p2ROOl muito bom #opendata #portugalSep 16 12:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Apple IIe switched on after 15 years       - YouTube .::. Size~: 85.06 KBSep 16 12:16
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DaemonFCunfortunately AMD's proprietary driver team never lets anyone in on what's coming up in the next versionSep 16 12:21
DaemonFCyou know what it has when it appearsSep 16 12:21
DaemonFCthere's rumors from that guy that runs Phoronix that Catalyst 11.9 will run GNOME ShellSep 16 12:22
DaemonFCbut he also said Steam was coming to Linux for three years in a rowSep 16 12:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] New WikiLeaks book in Italy Absurdistan with introduction by Julian Assange http://t.co/3eCVRyxzSep 16 12:31
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DaemonFChttp://www.h-online.com/open/features/Kernel-Log-Coming-in-3-1-Part-2-Storage-and-filesystems-1338160.htmlSep 16 12:34
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Kernel Log: Coming in 3.1 (Part 2) - Storage and filesystems - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 44.04 KBSep 16 12:34
DaemonFC"Like Ext4, the Ext3 filesystem will in future use write barriers by default. This adversely affects speed, but improves robustness in the event of a crash."Sep 16 12:34
DaemonFCso remember to disable thoseSep 16 12:34
DaemonFC:PSep 16 12:34
MinceR...if you like losing dataSep 16 12:35
DaemonFCit's been running without them for 10 yearsSep 16 12:35
DaemonFC:)Sep 16 12:35
DaemonFCbesides, the last thing Ext3 needs is something making it slowerSep 16 12:35
MinceRand it's well known that data loss can only happen in the first 10 years of operation :>Sep 16 12:35
MinceRwhen are they going to release the tools for btrfs?Sep 16 12:37
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DaemonFCmost of them already are releasedSep 16 12:37
DaemonFCincluding fsck which can't currently repair anythingSep 16 12:37
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MinceRthat's hardly usefulSep 16 12:37
DaemonFCall it can do is tell you the file system is corruptSep 16 12:37
DaemonFCthen it can't fix itSep 16 12:37
MinceRwhat about the tool that lets you delete snapshots? :>Sep 16 12:37
DaemonFCnot sureSep 16 12:38
DaemonFCI didn't use it long enough to make anySep 16 12:38
DaemonFCit's way too damned slowSep 16 12:38
MinceRsnapshots are the feature i want btrfs forSep 16 12:38
DaemonFCI tend to go with XFSSep 16 12:38
MinceRXFS has no support for snapshots, afaikSep 16 12:39
DaemonFChttps://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/XFS#SnapshotsSep 16 12:39
TechrightsBot-trError processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 403 ForbiddenSep 16 12:39
MinceRdoing snapshots via LVM requires reserving space for the snapshot volumeSep 16 12:40
MinceRletting the FS do it means using the FS area on disk for this featureSep 16 12:40
DaemonFCyes, it's clunky, but so is every current Linux file system when it comes to thisSep 16 12:40
MinceRthat's why btrfs needs to be completedSep 16 12:41
DaemonFCwhen I feel it surpasses XFS, I'll switchSep 16 12:41
DaemonFCI don't right nowSep 16 12:41
DaemonFCXFS is fast, it is stableSep 16 12:42
DaemonFCExt4 is stable, but not very fastSep 16 12:42
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DaemonFCExt3 is stable, and very very slowSep 16 12:42
DaemonFC:PSep 16 12:42
MinceRnopeSep 16 12:42
DaemonFCReiserFS is basically abandonedSep 16 12:42
DaemonFCso is JFSSep 16 12:42
iophkHow is JFS identified as abandoned?Sep 16 12:43
DaemonFCit's basically getting the same maintenance that Reiser isSep 16 12:43
DaemonFCit's there, they have to support it for legacy reasons, but it's not being improvedSep 16 12:43
iophkokSep 16 12:43
DaemonFCExt4, Ext3, and XFS are probably the most used in orderSep 16 12:44
DaemonFCand I think in order of usefulness to me, it goes XFS, Ext4, Ext3Sep 16 12:44
DaemonFChard disks are slow enough without the overhead of a bad file systemSep 16 12:45
DaemonFCI'm not sure BtrFS will soon overtake the speed of XFS or Ext4 for common desktop use casesSep 16 12:46
DaemonFCthere's a few database benchmarks it murders them in, but other than that it is still very slowSep 16 12:46
DaemonFCyou want to use a SQL database, warp speedSep 16 12:48
DaemonFCyou want to install an RPM, get ready for some slowSep 16 12:48
DaemonFC:)Sep 16 12:48
DaemonFCyou need to unpack a kernel tarball, slowSep 16 12:48
DaemonFCyou need to delete tons of small files, like what comes in a kernel tarball, slowSep 16 12:48
DaemonFCXFS , especially in recent kernels, is a pretty well balanced file system, but since it has been in development for 16 years and was created with limitations that still far exceed modern storage, you'd kind of expect it to be better than something that was written from scratch a couple years agoSep 16 12:50
DaemonFCI'll make an example using something I know MinceR hatesSep 16 12:51
DaemonFCChromium renders web pages very fastSep 16 12:51
DaemonFCunfortunately it misses a lot of other features and does many stupid thingsSep 16 12:51
DaemonFCso MinceR uses Firefox insteadSep 16 12:52
MinceRthe benchmarks i've seen all showed ext3 as being faster than XFSSep 16 12:52
MinceRplus ext3 has always been reliable, whereas XFS used to destroy data (which might be fixed already)Sep 16 12:52
DaemonFCwell, you're probably seeing old onesSep 16 12:53
DaemonFCbenchmark a recent kernelSep 16 12:53
DaemonFCthe XFS trashing files on crash thing has been fixed for a long timeSep 16 12:54
MinceRin fact, they showed ext3 being faster than all the more complicated FS-es, including JFS and ReiserFS, iircSep 16 12:54
DaemonFCit used to mount with no write barriers by default because that's what it did on IRIX because on systems like that you probably have some fail safes or a backup power supplySep 16 12:54
DaemonFCthe last kernel that did that was 2.6.17Sep 16 12:55
DaemonFChttp://jfs.sourceforge.net/Sep 16 12:57
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DaemonFCthere's the JFS siteSep 16 12:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cablegate: Government Uses Google Earth, Blames Google Earth http://is.gd/y80lrs #wlfind !wikileaks #cablegateSep 16 12:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Cablegate: Government Uses Google Earth, Blames Google Earth http://is.gd/y80lrs #google #privacy #mapping #tunisia #usSep 16 12:59
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DaemonFChttp://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?forum_name=jfs-commit&max_rows=25&style=ultimate&viewmonth=201006Sep 16 13:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] J. Assange'dan Türkçe mesaj | #ymd2011 http://t.co/P7VdkVtESep 16 13:01
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DaemonFChttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Oracle-adds-commercial-extensions-to-MySQL-1344611.htmlSep 16 13:02
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DaemonFCit's interesting they can say Java Community Process when the "community" is mostly companies like Goldman Sachs, Intel, Oracle, IBM, Credit Suisse.....Sep 16 13:05
DaemonFCGoogleSep 16 13:05
DaemonFChttps://github.com/fpletz/kernelrollSep 16 13:06
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DaemonFC:)Sep 16 13:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Cablegate: “IBM Have Advocated That High Quality Software Patents Would Also Have Significant Value” http://is.gd/8aSIp3 #swpats !wlSep 16 13:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cablegate: “IBM Have Advocated That High Quality Software Patents Would Also Have Significant Value” http://is.gd/8aSIp3 #wlfind #ibmSep 16 13:07
DaemonFCKDE is filling up my xsession errors pretty fastSep 16 13:08
schestowitzGoogle is part of the advertising communitySep 16 13:08
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DaemonFCschestowitz,  Want to make an easy $10? :)Sep 16 13:10
DaemonFCI bet you Fedora 16 can't stay running long enough to install Sep 16 13:10
DaemonFCI never realized the impact of every debug option in the kernel being on Sep 16 13:11
DaemonFC:)Sep 16 13:11
DaemonFCLinus Torvalds joked that he wants to call kernel 3.11 "Linux for Workgroups." Sep 16 13:15
DaemonFChehSep 16 13:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] . @glynmoody That's hilarious! Imagine the headline "insurance companies suffer losses when outdoor sports replaces video gaming".Sep 16 13:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] ANNOUNCE: WikiLeaks fundraising auction now live: http://t.co/xSYsJf80Sep 16 13:16
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iophkGoogle *is* an advertising company above all elseSep 16 13:19
schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/84101559Sep 16 13:19
TechrightsBot-tr@agentsmith's status on Friday, 16-Sep-11 12:14:33 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz Indeed, Mr. Ken Starks is a commendable and awesome guy!Sep 16 13:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RIAA Label Used In Massive Cocaine Trafficking Ring - http://bit.ly/nN1WZ8 that's nothing compared to file sharing, of course (v @airvpn)Sep 16 13:21
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iophkhttp://www.ausbt.com.au/boeing-chooses-android-for-787-dreamliner-s-entertainment-systemSep 16 13:23
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Cablegate: Microsoft’s Tax Dodge http://is.gd/X4veFD #finance #ireland #microsoft #tax #wlfind #cablegate !wlSep 16 13:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Cablegate: Microsoft’s Tax Dodge http://is.gd/X4veFD #ecnomy #taxevasion #cronyism #governmentSep 16 13:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Boeing Chooses #Linux http://is.gd/DqFy7g (Boeing chooses Android for 787 Dreamliner's entertainment system)Sep 16 13:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @wikileaks: ANNOUNCE: WikiLeaks fundraising auction now live: http://t.co/xSYsJf80Sep 16 13:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Funding the #KKK is easier than funding !wikileaksSep 16 13:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Taser inquiry into police incident involving teenager - http://bit.ly/nxog0J next: tase-ing deadly toddlers...Sep 16 13:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Google, the best tech company. No, it will not become " The next Micro$oft" http://ur1.ca/530eqSep 16 13:29
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schestowitzMinceR: https://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/114660891034779648Sep 16 13:30
TechrightsBot-tr@wikileaks: New WikiLeaks book in Italy "Absurdistan" with introduction by Julian Assange http://t.co/3eCVRyxzSep 16 13:30
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schestowitzAbsurdistanSep 16 13:30
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iophkhttp://www.computerweekly.com/Articles/2011/09/15/247907/European-Commission-buys-Microsoft-for-20-years-without.htmSep 16 13:30
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schestowitzthw author used techrightsSep 16 13:30
schestowitzand I have a post coming about itSep 16 13:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] wut? there is more than 1 version of GPL #ccsummit2011Sep 16 13:31
iophkgoodSep 16 13:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] Fuduntu Becomes A Rolling Release Distribution, Continues With GNOME 2 http://ur1.ca/53pveSep 16 13:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @bramalab: we're back with the stream for you. sorry for the glitch: ur1.ca/53dzg #cc #ccsummit2011Sep 16 13:31
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iophkCanonical and Red Hat ought to be among the options evaluated.Sep 16 13:32
MinceRschestowitz: :)Sep 16 13:32
iophkIllegal tenders have been a problem for longer than previously thought.Sep 16 13:32
MinceRthe word has been in use for a while though: https://duckduckgo.com/?q=absurdistanSep 16 13:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Alles über #Wikipedia - http://bit.ly/pejoDn looks interesting, cc-by-sa; er, can't seem to find the digital download, chaps...Sep 16 13:37
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iophk"the Microsoft deals prevented European institutions from using open standards that would promote competition."Sep 16 13:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lubuntu/@lubuntu] Lubuntu Screencast: Alsamixer http://tinyurl.com/6ccuntbSep 16 13:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @Mark_Antony Due to continuous expansion of our Open Source managed services and support, we are hiring AGAIN bit.ly/o9uAgbSep 16 13:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Studies On Cultural Sector In The File Sharing Era - http://bit.ly/royGY5 studies "File sharing is not a problem that needs to be solved"Sep 16 13:42
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schestowitzgotta go meet a client, back at nightSep 16 13:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Google compra mais 1023 patentes da IBM - http://bit.ly/oyDicL even if you can't read the text, look at the pic...Sep 16 13:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] The Vatican cables revisited: How the Guardian censored Jewish-Catholic conflict http://t.co/pQHMH4rPSep 16 13:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #EU seeks limited upgrade of Palestinians' UN status - http://bit.ly/rd8b86 pusillanimous casuistry #palestineSep 16 13:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Saying thanks—in person—to our Google Top Contributors - http://bit.ly/pONOHz gosh, these people have strange real names (v +Paul N)Sep 16 13:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Why one-size-fits-all could save public education by @Johntspencer | http://ow.ly/6whiW #edreform #freedomSep 16 14:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Windows 8 on ARM won't run x86 apps Microsoft admits http://tinyurl.com/42nr8n4Sep 16 15:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Five Reasons to Try Joomla for Content Management http://tinyurl.com/3j38q5r #opensourceSep 16 15:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Microsoft drops support for Flash in Windows 8 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-14949869Sep 16 15:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Arch #Linux – "It is what you make it" http://tinyurl.com/4xyzjf2 Looks increasingly appealing, IMHOSep 16 15:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] How NOT to Push a New Open Source License, Part 1 http://tinyurl.com/3u67yvd Part 2: http://tinyurl.com/4xjnwdx #opensourceSep 16 15:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webupd8/@webupd8] HTC-Like Clock / Weather Conky Configuration http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/webupd8/~3/cnkQ7A7NOTM/htc-like-clock-weather-conky.htmlSep 16 15:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] C'mon folks, why on earth would Oracle need Java, except 4 the patents to sue later ? Worse yet, Sun made it open source. What a scam...Sep 16 15:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good morning !identiverse !tzagSep 16 15:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] ♺ @NixiePixel: Video: Turtle Runs From Evil Daleks - http://t.co/Ve9XtC7j (via @Azsunyx)Sep 16 15:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] yay! "IPA (Identity Policy Audit) will GA with RHEL 6.2 later this year". Finally *everything* you need to replace AD etc. #fbSep 16 15:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @liddlethought Next month, !Canada will negotiate the selling of our info to US #Article12 http://ur1.ca/53qqzSep 16 15:44
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iophkSaturday, September 17th - Software Freedom Day Sep 16 15:48
iophkhttp://softwarefreedomday.org/Sep 16 15:48
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XFaCEschestowitz: 53 unread RSS articles from Techrights... ahhh!Sep 16 15:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz interesting idea but I doubt it will get traction for the same reason other valiant efforts to compete with !WikiPedia didn't...Sep 16 15:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz !wikipedia is a destination; everyone knows where to go and find it. On its own it provides google juice.Sep 16 15:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Wikileaks on PAP's view of opposition et al - http://wikileaks.org/cable/2009/06/09SINGAPORE520.html#fb #sgpoliticsSep 16 15:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @fredmanglis: ...on irc -- No, you are *NOT*Sep 16 15:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @laurelrusswurm: @wayneborean It doesn't matter if they care. *I* care. #roarSep 16 15:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[webmink/@webmink] Sony to ban gamers from PlayStation Network unless they waive rights to collectively sue over security breaches: http://wmk.me/p2Cg79Sep 16 15:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Mozilla: A study in organizational openness | http://ow.ly/6wmruSep 16 16:01
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mozilla: A study in organizational openness | opensource.com .::. Size~: 45.88 KBSep 16 16:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @webmink: Sony 2 ban gamers from PlayStation Network unless they waive rights 2 collectively sue over security gaps: http://wmk.me/p2Cg79Sep 16 16:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz !Wikipedia *has* credibility. What is notable today may not be tomorrow; "notability" has become censorship :(Sep 16 16:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Ain't that great. Give up your rights, or #sony won't let you play. My suggestion is don't by the bastards gear. #BoycottSony !Sep 16 16:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @lohang !photo365 day 47: some greens, among other things http://photoblog-lohangunaweera.blogspot.com/2011/09/some-greens-among-othe ...Sep 16 16:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @wayneborean that's one reason for yesterday's #DemocracyDay and !DemocracyWeek *now* Most people know something's wrong, not what !fairvoteSep 16 16:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @wayneborean Ain't that great. Give up your rights, or #sony won't let you play. My suggestion is don't by the bastards gear. #Boycot ...Sep 16 16:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] CC Board-Affiliate meeting is being livestreamed now! http://creativecommons.pl/stream #ccsummit2011Sep 16 16:11
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XFaCEhey mincer, want some room operator help?Sep 16 16:13
XFaCEender_2600: Where were you yesterday, the channel was empty without your extremist manifesto ramblings.Sep 16 16:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @wayneborean: Ain't that great. Give up your rights or #sony won't let you play. My suggestion's don't buy their gear. #BoycottSony !Sep 16 16:16
ibrah:)Sep 16 16:16
iophkSony's waivers are probably not valid in many jurisdictions.Sep 16 16:18
iophkThat won't stop them from trying though.Sep 16 16:18
MinceRXFaCE: i suppose i could use someSep 16 16:18
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MinceRas for the ramblings, i think we could do without them :>Sep 16 16:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] #HTTP, the new #TCP... #WebSocketSep 16 16:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @stickster You can lead someone to email, but you can't make them read. #bagoclichesSep 16 16:21
iophkNo reporters addressed, but twitter used:Sep 16 16:29
iophkhttp://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/marine-hero-of-afghanistan-receives-medal-of-honor-in-white-house-ceremony/2011/09/15/gIQAD0EuVK_story.htmlSep 16 16:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Marine hero of Afghanistan receives Medal of Honor in White House ceremony - The Washington Post .::. Size~: 119.57 KBSep 16 16:29
iophk"Meyer did not comment to reporters, but on his Twitter account, he wrote…"Sep 16 16:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] @clacke: yes, pretty incredibleSep 16 16:36
ender_2600diablo-d3 you there?Sep 16 16:37
ender_260012:05 < XFaCE> ender_2600: Where were you yesterday, the channel was empty without your extremist manifesto ramblings.Sep 16 16:38
ender_2600I'm the extremist?Sep 16 16:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How NOT to Push a New Open Source License, Part 1 - http://bit.ly/of9Tjp interseting points about Software Covenant idea (v @Copycense)Sep 16 16:39
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ender_2600I'm going to wish everyone an early Software Freedom DaySep 16 16:39
ender_2600I probably won't be around tomorrowSep 16 16:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @x11r5: My published novel, sharene, differs markedly from an understanding of natural, rather than just a bad network -- O_oSep 16 16:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] New patent reform law could reduce lawsuits by non-practicing entity | http://ow.ly/6wrTT #swpatsSep 16 16:46
TechrightsBot-trTitle: New patent reform law could reduce lawsuits by non-practicing entity  | opensource.com .::. Size~: 48.06 KBSep 16 16:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Phone hacking: Met use Official Secrets Act to force Guardian to reveal sources - http://bit.ly/qOHQFa outrageous use of outrageous lawSep 16 16:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Phone hacking: Met use Official Secrets Act to force Guardian to reveal sources | Media | The Guardian .::. Size~: 101.29 KBSep 16 16:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @monkchips this is the #Met's #Trafigura moment. it really must not stand.>>yup & yupSep 16 16:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] RD @smaffulli: Better ban Sony Playstation from your home: keep the right to sue them if they don't protect your data http://is.gd/GWzqMoSep 16 16:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Microsoft’s web server is losing ground: IIS market share back to 1997 levels - http://bit.ly/rhh3fl #apache, #nginx thrive #opensourceSep 16 16:59
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iophkhttp://act2.freepress.net/sign/investigate_murdochSep 16 16:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Mr Bean appears in the new Avatar film: http://goo.gl/Ts57E #avatar #mrbeanSep 16 17:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Publishers lobbying legislature to make copying textbooks indictable offense - http://bit.ly/pDVMYA really good use of police (v @Copycense)Sep 16 17:01
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ender_2600lulz, this is HILARIOUS https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/F14/FEDORA-2011-12302Sep 16 17:07
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ender_2600THIS ERRATA IS CLASSIFIED MAGINOT BLUE STARS. YOU DO NOT POSSESS NECESSARY CLEARANCE TO VIEW FULL ERRATA. VIEW REDACTED ERRATA (Y/N)? YSep 16 17:07
ender_2600QLOGIC 2400 FIRMWARE CODE NAME ... ...... ...... AND QLOGIC 2500 FIRMWARE CODE NAME ........ ...... HAVE BEEN UPDATED TO 5.06.01. THIS CHANGE WAS NECESSARY BECAUSE OF ...... MOVEMENT IN ... ...... AND UNEXPECTED EVOLUTION ON PHASE .... OF SCORPION STARE. ALSO, MINOR CHANGES DUE TO ....... DISCOVERY AT ........ BUILDING OF GROOM LAKE (SEE .......-.......... ERRATA FOR DETAILS).Sep 16 17:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @headphonica "How Much Does A Band Make From Various Music Platforms?" http://nd.gd/wm | Uniform Motion !ccmusic [by-nc / by-nc-sa / ...Sep 16 17:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody Publishers lobbying legislature to make copying textbooks indictable offense - http://bit.ly/pDVMYA really good use of pol ...Sep 16 17:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @wwwwolf Blog: Finally! A longish babble on !wikipedia processes. (thanks to @laurelrusswurm for inspiration) http://ur1.ca/53qycSep 16 17:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @GregMitch Breaking: Abbas says Palestinians will demand full UN membership after all. >>quite right...should be fun to watchSep 16 17:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Good arguments that can apply to the mess of the education system in Singapore as well - http://ur1.ca/53rb3 #fbSep 16 17:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft previews compiler-as-a-service software (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/mVfWFNSep 16 17:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Required reading to understand KVM vs Xen vs VMware and type 1 vs type 2 hypervisors - http://code.ncultra.org/Sep 16 17:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @carwinb US Day of Rage - Non Violent Civil Disobedience Training Talks http://ur1.ca/53rc9 #sept17 #occupywallstreet #usdorSep 16 17:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] @tekk I work across the street from sushi shop, and I did find a bunch of StatusNet stickers on my desk when I was tidying up.Sep 16 17:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Must Read: " !Copyright Theft " by @glynmoody http://ur1.ca/53rdi !CdnPoli !publicdomain !FreeCultureSep 16 17:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Microsoft Source: We're Talking About Buying #Yahoo - http://read.bi/qDD2mv probably talking about *not* buying it, too...Sep 16 17:24
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XFaCEoopsSep 16 17:27
XFaCEsorry mincerSep 16 17:27
XFaCEI had to go before you could answerSep 16 17:27
XFaCEOr rather, before I could read your answerSep 16 17:27
XFaCEWould you sill like some help?Sep 16 17:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Bob Stanley " !Copyright extension Good for Cliff and the Beatles, bad for the little guys?" via @Glinner !CdnPoli !PublicDomainSep 16 17:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] #NotW Phone hacking: Scotland Yard seeks Official Secrets Act court order 2 force Guardian 2 reveal sources http://ur1.ca/53reh #1984Sep 16 17:31
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iophkSo Scotland Yard is acting on behalf of Murdoch?Sep 16 17:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] RT @laurelrusswurm Must Read: " !Copyright Theft " by @glynmoody http://ur1.ca/53rdi !CdnPoli !publicdomain !FreeCultureSep 16 17:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] China’s Baidu Makes Its Global Move - http://bit.ly/nVNdS6 and so it begins... #china #baidu #empireSep 16 17:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Priceless⇒Eric Swett: "A Man's Work Is Never Done http://ur1.ca/53rfc < you mDE MY FRIDAYSep 16 17:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Priceless⇒Eric Swett: "A Man's Work Is Never Done http://ur1.ca/53rfc < you made my Friday!Sep 16 17:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Peruvian Commission Confirms Oil Contamination by #MapleEnergy in the Amazon - http://bit.ly/pXYVq4 shameful stuff; World Bank involved tooSep 16 17:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Open Source Drug Discovery for Malaria - http://bit.ly/q6I64Y a bit old, but important; don't miss the "6 laws" at the end (v @petersuber)Sep 16 17:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Ada Lovelace Day is coming, women and tech events in London - http://bit.ly/mYf4L3 "Ada Lovelace Day #Android Extravaganza" - coolSep 16 17:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] SAP Offers Lip Service to Red Hat But Continues to Pay Microsoft for GNU/Linux, Thanks to SUSE http://is.gd/VYt9ik #suse #sapSep 16 18:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] SAP Offers Lip Service to Red Hat But Continues to Pay Microsoft for GNU/Linux, Thanks to SUSE http://is.gd/VYt9ik #novell #swpats #ballnuxSep 16 18:06
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ender_2600xface - dudeSep 16 18:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Samsung drops Epic 4G Touch Source code, Now the real fun Begins - http://bit.ly/oS1sAf nicely clueful move #androidSep 16 18:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] @evan !Identica !StatusNet See you all after the upgrade!Sep 16 18:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] @evan !Identica !StatusNet See you all after the upgrade!Sep 16 18:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @laurelrusswurm #NotW Phone hacking: Scotland Yard seeks Official Secrets Act court order 2 force Guardian 2 reveal sources http://ur ...Sep 16 18:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @glynmoody #Microsoft Source: We're Talking About Buying #Yahoo - http://read.bi/qDD2mv probably talking about *not* buying it, too...Sep 16 18:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @glynmoody #Microsoft’s web server is losing ground: IIS market share back to 1997 levels - http://bit.ly/rhh3fl #apache, #nginx thri ...Sep 16 18:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Researchers failing to make raw data public - http://bit.ly/qAUSRI long way to go #openscience #opendataSep 16 18:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @CACHCA_RCACCS: FYI, next week we'll be releasing responses from Ontario's political parties re their commitments to healthcare. !OntPoliSep 16 18:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Bali becoming a haven for #drugs gangs, warn officials - http://bit.ly/oCgBuD </sigh> another paradise lost #indonesiaSep 16 18:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Pls send us your amazing proposals for #linuxconbrazil (http://bit.ly/oPz660) Email: cfp@linuxfoundation.org by Oct 1.Sep 16 18:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Improper Conduct Identified as Cause for Disappointing Acceptance of FOSS in EU Authorities http://is.gd/lNyHbj #eu #uk #microsoftSep 16 18:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Improper Conduct Identified as Cause for Disappointing Acceptance of FOSS in EU Authorities http://is.gd/lNyHbj #procurementSep 16 18:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Identi.ca is going down any moment now (maintenance/upgrade). I'll post in Twitter for a change... until it comes back.Sep 16 18:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @schestowitz Identi.ca is going down any moment now (maintenance/upgrade). I'll post in Twitter for a change... until it comes back.Sep 16 18:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Health Care should be an Important issue for the Ontario Election... what party do *you* think actually FIX it? !ONelxn !CdnPoli !OntPoliSep 16 18:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] Anyone suffering from #Wikipedia deletionism should try #Distripedia: http://zotzbro.blogspot.com/2009/11Sep 16 18:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Security advisories for Friday http://lwn.net/Articles/459209/rssSep 16 18:41
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twitterhi ho!Sep 16 18:43
twitterlots and lots of cable gate.  look at all those TR articles in my feed.Sep 16 18:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jonobacon/@jonobacon] My birthday tomorrow, some thoughts - http://is.gd/ZSn4B2 - Amazon Wishlist? Sure, thanks for asking - http://is.gd/GSFrR2 :-PSep 16 18:44
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twitterI got busy for one day and see 22 articles today, wow.Sep 16 18:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Patent Systems: So Inherently Corrupt That They Must be Kept Secret From the Public http://is.gd/uUitAg #uspto #epoSep 16 18:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] Patent Systems: So Inherently Corrupt That They Must be Kept Secret From the Public http://is.gd/uUitAg #swpats #mosaidSep 16 18:47
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schestowitzMinceR: too much too fast?Sep 16 18:49
schestowitztwitter: ^^Sep 16 18:49
twitternah, it's all good stuff.Sep 16 18:49
schestowitzI'll make a wiki index at the endSep 16 18:50
schestowitzlike comes oneSep 16 18:50
twittermore dots to connect, an index would be good.Sep 16 18:50
schestowitzjono: happy be-earlied birthdaySep 16 18:50
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/114757295077986304Sep 16 18:50
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: @jonobacon happy birthday. Rock on.Sep 16 18:50
jonothanks schestowitzSep 16 18:51
jono:-)Sep 16 18:51
schestowitzmono people feel the heat today... https://twitter.com/fastchicken/status/114735150721531905Sep 16 18:51
TechrightsBot-tr@fastchicken: Still wondering if @migueldeicaza and co molested @boycottnovell 's mother or something. The dude has some serious paranoia issuesSep 16 18:51
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wbm/status/114735813316706306Sep 16 18:51
TechrightsBot-tr@wbm: @fastchicken shhhhhh, I occassionally get page views from his site to one of my mono 4 android articles. // @migueldeicaza @boycottnovellSep 16 18:51
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/rgdacosta/status/114750385255747584Sep 16 18:52
TechrightsBot-tr@rgdacosta: @boycottnovell those german's stick together ... Dealt with BMW this week and they *will* never move from SuSESep 16 18:52
twitterlol, BMW is so M$ Pownt Sep 16 18:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @jonobacon happy birthday. Rock on.Sep 16 18:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @jonobacon happy birthday :DSep 16 18:52
twitterthe mono people are foul Sep 16 18:53
twitterpun intended Sep 16 18:53
schestowitzFord tooSep 16 18:55
twitterMono people always have their heads in the gutter.  Microsoft probably encourages them to be rude as part of their smear on the community. Sep 16 18:56
_Goblinhow long has it been since the word mono was mentioned.Sep 16 18:56
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/slashdot/status/114692686048538624Sep 16 18:56
TechrightsBot-trNot a tweet?Sep 16 18:56
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twittermentioned by who?Sep 16 18:56
schestowitz\G_it's hardly mentioned these daysSep 16 18:56
_GoblinanyoneSep 16 18:56
schestowitzBut Jason x was here last nightSep 16 18:56
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schestowitzhe mentioned some issues with monoSep 16 18:56
_Goblinmissed that...Sep 16 18:56
schestowitzabout psp supporting itSep 16 18:57
_Goblinshame.....?????Sep 16 18:57
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schestowitzhttp://bit.ly/o6P1JaSep 16 18:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Another day goes by and #Slashdot is still advertising vapourware with 2013 expected release. Very disappointing, lost respect for /.Sep 16 18:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Arch Linux - "It is what you make it" (The H) http://lwn.net/Articles/459227/rssSep 16 18:57
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twitterpsp supporting mono, is that how they announce a port, by claiming official vendor support or is Sony really sucking down mono? Sep 16 18:58
_GoblinI would doubt Sony would suck down mono...have you a link?Sep 16 19:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @zotz I get "page not found" for your linkSep 16 19:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Green leader slams Harper's proposed internet spying laws http://is.gd/ivK9gj #privacy #canadaSep 16 19:01
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twitterno, roy says jason x mentioned this in irc.  it probably means nothing.Sep 16 19:01
_Goblinoh and Mono folk have always had their heads in the gutter...vulgarity and rudeness are the only things that get them noticed.....nobody else cares nor is interested in their tat.... Sep 16 19:01
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schestowitzhttps://identi.ca/notice/84139419Sep 16 19:02
TechrightsBot-tr@Danny (tekk)'s status on Friday, 16-Sep-11 17:59:44 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz I'm preeeeeetty sure that slashdot articles are, you know, user submitted...Sep 16 19:02
schestowitz@tekk the site got hijacked and gamed a long time ago. /. admitted this to me.Sep 16 19:02
_GoblinWhy would the PSP need to support Mono? Last time I checked it had its dev tools/platform of its own and the last thing they want to do (unless I've missed it) would be to open dev up to the "common man"Sep 16 19:02
schestowitz<_Goblin> I would doubt Sony would suck down mono...have you a link?Sep 16 19:03
schestowitzNoSep 16 19:03
_GoblinMind you.....sony tech has always been a bugger to code for.....Sep 16 19:03
schestowitz[02:08] <xjasonx> MONO pushers are having a field day today at my schoolSep 16 19:03
schestowitz[02:08] <xjasonx> http://www.slashgear.com/sony-playstation-suite-sdk-means-one-game-for-all-ps-certified-devices-15179995/Sep 16 19:03
schestowitz[02:08] <TechrightsBot-tr> Title: Sony PlayStation Suite SDK means one game for all PS Certified devices - SlashGear .::. Size~: 48.79 KBSep 16 19:03
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schestowitz[02:09] <xjasonx> apparently PSP is going C#Sep 16 19:03
schestowitz[02:09] <xjasonx> and they are claiming it must be MONOSep 16 19:03
schestowitz[02:09] <xjasonx> what's up schestowitz? :)Sep 16 19:03
schestowitz[02:09] <xjasonx> keep missing you when I log in here in the morningsSep 16 19:03
schestowitz[02:09] <xjasonx> gotta remember you are here at night :)Sep 16 19:03
schestowitz[02:10] <xjasonx> (well, night for me)Sep 16 19:03
schestowitz[02:10] <schestowitz> Yes, was about to go to bedSep 16 19:03
_Goblinits why ps3 has to settle for so many badly ported 360 rubbish.Sep 16 19:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @Mark_Antony Due to continuous expansion of our Open Source managed services and support, we are hiring AGAIN bit.ly/o9uAgbSep 16 19:04
twitterwell, I've got work to do.  bblSep 16 19:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @qu1j0t3: "#Skype for Mac Gets Facebook Integration & Ads" — yeah! That's exactly what it was lacking... #donotwant #MicrosoftSep 16 19:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Open government communities survey--be counted via @debbryant | http://ow.ly/6wvF1 #opengov #gov20 #opendata #goscon #osuoslSep 16 19:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @einfeldt: RT @HugoAhlberg: What? — Fox news: Norway's police don't carry guns, therefore it isn't a democracy http://t.co/SsXowKHcSep 16 19:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @nearyd: I am fascinated with humanitarian FOSS, open data enabling citizen empowerment and green tech. Less and less with tech.Sep 16 19:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] @tekk the site got hijacked and gamed a long time ago. /. admitted this to me.Sep 16 19:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @qu1j0t3: 'Good programmers use macros to bring the language up to the level of the problem they are solving.'—Andy Wingo #fp #guileSep 16 19:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @SenatorSanders: The top six financial institutions in this country own assets equal to more than 60% of our GDP. http://ow.ly/6vSumSep 16 19:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @mims the Solyndra story is basically that solar panel technology became so cheap so quickly they couldn't compete. I.e., humanity wins.Sep 16 19:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] You have 17 unread calls http://i.imgur.com/xdZqX.jpgSep 16 19:21
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @techdirt: Congress Debating If Putting A Fake Name On Facebook Should Be A Felony http://t.co/ZAU1jYi1Sep 16 19:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @schestowitz ♻ @mims the Solyndra story is basically that solar panel technology became so cheap so quickly they couldn't compete. I. ...Sep 16 19:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @schestowitz ♻ @einfeldt: RT @HugoAhlberg: What? — Fox news: Norway's police don't carry guns, therefore it isn't a democracy http:// ...Sep 16 19:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @einfeldt: Stop the Execution of Troy Davis http://t.co/INvuICHM #signonSep 16 19:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Death cancels out another death like slap cures another slap.Sep 16 19:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] I love downtown #Toronto, best city in the world!Sep 16 19:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Regarding death penalty: deterrence=many murderers *prefer* dying; vengeance=victims' families regret achieving yet another death=doublingSep 16 19:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Death for death/eye for an eye is, IMHO, very medieval and biblically-inspired. Making matters worse, #CorpMedia makes murderers *famous*.Sep 16 19:27
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_GoblinSo after reading all the hype and sold words by the few who have got hold on Win8 so far.....Sep 16 19:38
_Goblincan I assume its merely Windows 7 tablet version......that is, Windows 7 overlayed with a cheap and tacky UI to convince people its tablet suitable?Sep 16 19:39
_GoblinSort of a Gnome shell affair?Sep 16 19:39
_Goblinexcept cheapSep 16 19:39
iophkVista 8 in other wordsSep 16 19:39
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_Goblinwhat struck me as strange....was the attitude..."Yeah its great but you can revert to Windows 7 "Classic" if you want.Sep 16 19:40
schestowitzLOLSep 16 19:40
_Goblinso it is merely a UI plastered over the top of 7....Sep 16 19:40
schestowitzKLike it could do win2000 themeSep 16 19:40
schestowitzBasically removing some lipstickSep 16 19:40
schestowitzIt's not a featureSep 16 19:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #RedHat going green, but not SUSE green http://is.gd/J4fH0S (Solar panels are a go for convention center)Sep 16 19:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @wayneborean: @schestowitz #Skype for #Mac got just what it needs, a reason for users to abandon it.Sep 16 19:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Personal story: how greedy bankers cause deaths http://is.gd/99jPPNSep 16 19:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @A_Rampersaud Unemployed man died a week or 2 ago from infected wisdom tooth. No $ for drugs/extraction. Same could happen here !OnPoliSep 16 19:41
schestowitzIt's a conditional statement of some variable that;s booleanSep 16 19:41
_Goblinyou could achieve the same effect now with Windows 7, using a few lines of Python code and a few bindings...Sep 16 19:41
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: Goldman Sachs Information, Comments, Opinions and Facts: Goldman Sachs---Litton Loan---Ocwen:  YOU are ALL Guilty! .::. Size~: 209.24 KBSep 16 19:41
schestowitzif {use+old_code... thenSep 16 19:41
schestowitz_Goblin: Sep 16 19:41
schestowitz!google kde for WindowsSep 16 19:41
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - KDE Windows Initiative - KDE | http://windows.kde.org/Sep 16 19:41
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Projects/KDE on Windows/Installation - KDE TechBase | http://techbase.kde.org/Projects/KDE_on_Windows/InstallationSep 16 19:41
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - KDE Windows Initiative - Download Information | http://windows.kde.org/download.phpSep 16 19:41
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - KDE on Windows | Download KDE on Windows software for free at ... | http://sourceforge.net/projects/kde-windows/Sep 16 19:41
MinceR_Goblin: no, it has to be IE and .net!Sep 16 19:41
schestowitzin Comes vs Microsoft you can see that OEM wanted to make their own shellSep 16 19:42
MinceRotherwise it would be too usable and efficientSep 16 19:42
_Goblinoh yes, I forget......sory about that...Sep 16 19:42
schestowitzMicrosoft disallolwed itSep 16 19:42
schestowitzAnd they were righyly upsetSep 16 19:42
schestowitzHP later make a shell for LinuxSep 16 19:42
schestowitzAnd then it bought PalmSep 16 19:42
schestowitzThen it got intruded by idiots and some Microsoft lackeysSep 16 19:42
schestowitzAnd it commited suicide, shouted, Alla Ballmer!"Sep 16 19:42
_GoblinI think next time I hear a MS advocate talk about Unity....I might tell them about Windows 8.....Sep 16 19:42
schestowitzunity is awesome, ask jonoSep 16 19:43
iophkVista 8 is copying Unity?Sep 16 19:43
schestowitzand kde4Sep 16 19:43
_Goblinanyway...its moot....by the time windows 8 flops onto the scene, everyone will be moved on.Sep 16 19:43
schestowitz!google kde4 progress vista 8 techrightsSep 16 19:43
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Vista 8 | Techrights | http://techrights.org/category/vista-8/Sep 16 19:43
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Links 26/8/2011: Twenty Years of Linux Celebrated, KDE SC 5.0 ... | http://techrights.org/2011/08/26/kde-sc-5-0-foreseen/Sep 16 19:43
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Links 25/5/2011: KDE 4.7 Beta, China Gets Debian Mirror | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/05/25/china-has-debian-mirror/Sep 16 19:43
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Links 7/8/2011: Red Eclipse Released, KDE 4.7 Praises | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/08/07/kde-4-7-praises/Sep 16 19:43
schestowitz:/Sep 16 19:43
schestowitzgot it.Sep 16 19:44
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2011/08/26/microsoft-copies-kde4/Sep 16 19:44
schestowitzAlso with the tablet videoSep 16 19:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Tomorrow’s Windows is Yesterday’s Computing, a GNU/Linux Catchup Job | Techrights .::. Size~: 93.81 KBSep 16 19:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz The reality is that when I have something to add to !Wikipedia I usually consider & decide there are better uses for my time.Sep 16 19:44
schestowitzvista8 might do in 2013 what kde did in 2007Sep 16 19:44
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2011/08/26/microsoft-copies-kde4/http://techrights.org/category/vista-8/Sep 16 19:44
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/category/vista-8/Sep 16 19:44
TechrightsBot-trTitle: There is No Windows 8, It is Vista With New Tweaks | Techrights .::. Size~: 100.73 KBSep 16 19:44
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schestowitzToday I checked some web domains related to techrightsSep 16 19:45
schestowitzthe bn domain needs renewing soonSep 16 19:45
schestowitzAll the domain are US basedSep 16 19:46
schestowitzSo the ICE "immigration" mafia can just pull them off DNS is they feel like it, no due processSep 16 19:46
iophkCan you move them to an EU registrar for better safety?Sep 16 19:47
schestowitzwyane ffer to help set up the .ca oneSep 16 19:47
schestowitzas did tobySep 16 19:47
schestowitziophk: but people would still visit through the standard tldSep 16 19:47
schestowitzunless they know of anotherSep 16 19:47
iophkstd tld is fineSep 16 19:47
schestowitzwikileaks.org was at some later stage restoredSep 16 19:47
iophkor did you want a new tld?Sep 16 19:48
schestowitzAfter the US govt hijacked itSep 16 19:48
schestowitzAnd then some Russian gorup got itSep 16 19:48
schestowitzthen they use the swedish  suffixSep 16 19:48
iophkIt's not the first to get hijacked.Sep 16 19:48
schestowitziophk: I meant for backupSep 16 19:48
iophkBackup how?Sep 16 19:48
schestowitziophk: this one was not over copyright allegationsSep 16 19:48
schestowitzbut for purely political reasonsSep 16 19:48
schestowitziophk: if there's DNS oopsie Sep 16 19:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nsisodiya/@nsisodiya] You can hire me on ODesk https://www.odesk.com/users/~~8bfc0856a4d8f826 #odeskSep 16 19:49
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iophkIt's not the first to get hijacked for purely political reasons.  opendocumentfellowship.org got hijacked, first by squatters but now who knows?Sep 16 19:51
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84142128\Sep 16 19:51
TechrightsBot-trNot a dent?Sep 16 19:52
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84142128Sep 16 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr@Sayed Hashem Masoud (hashemmasoud)'s status on Friday, 16-Sep-11 18:35:26 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz @tekk Quit slashdot http://www.cs.washington.edu/homes/klee/misc/slashdot.htmlSep 16 19:52
TechrightsBot-tr-> Title: Quit Slashdot.org Today! .::. Size~: 36.1 KBSep 16 19:52
schestowitzI never saw this page beforeSep 16 19:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] http://coffee.jezra.net/coffee/20110916 #sip_and_clickSep 16 19:52
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schestowitzbah... that Microsofter again https://twitter.com/keithccurtis/status/114767882860244992Sep 16 19:55
TechrightsBot-tr@keithccurtis: @schestowitz @mims Solyndra also has to do with Obama giving money to his friends, causing the US gov't to waste $500M. Win?!Sep 16 19:55
schestowitzHe has sent me like 20 messages in a row without me respondingSep 16 19:55
schestowitzHe just wanted to argueSep 16 19:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] PC-BSD 9.0 on its Way http://is.gd/bI6Xre #bsd #unix #pcbsdSep 16 19:56
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iophkhttp://twit.tv/show/floss-weekly/182Sep 16 19:59
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iophkIt's about PC-BSD but good luck getting at the audio nowadaysSep 16 19:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] RT @linuxaria [RT] Open source tools for #audio editing with !linux #Ardour #Jamim #Rosegarden http://goo.gl/B8ikjSep 16 20:01
TechrightsBot-trTitle: » Often when I suggest Linux as an alternative I hear, yes i like it unfortunate that there is nothing as software for processing digital audio, so I must stay with Windows. .::. Size~: 60.96 KBSep 16 20:01
koolhead17jono: birthday wishes!! :)Sep 16 20:02
*koolhead17 bows to schestowitzSep 16 20:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] If my work in !Wikipedia falls victim to deletion because someone deems it un-noteworthy, the readership plummets to nil, @Jan_AinaliSep 16 20:02
jonothanks koolhead17!Sep 16 20:02
koolhead17jono: and yes beers!! not cheers!! :PSep 16 20:03
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schestowitzjono doesn't need beer, he has a shot of jaqSep 16 20:04
koolhead17schestowitz howdy?Sep 16 20:06
*koolhead17 trying to move one MSFT user to LinuxSep 16 20:07
Kryczekkoolhead17: heeeeeeeySep 16 20:07
Kryczekfinally :DSep 16 20:07
*schestowitz trying to move MSFT to /dev/null/Sep 16 20:08
koolhead17Kryczek: where have you been all this ages man?Sep 16 20:08
Kryczekgot all your hi messages when I was away, and you were offline everytime I wanted to answerSep 16 20:08
koolhead17schestowitz hi5Sep 16 20:08
koolhead17:DSep 16 20:08
Kryczeksent you a message via memoserv thoughSep 16 20:08
koolhead17Kryczek: yeah got it :DSep 16 20:08
Kryczekwell, what timezone are you in? I'm GMTSep 16 20:08
schestowitzKryczek: even /dev/null/ doesn't want itSep 16 20:09
schestowitzthat was meant to be addressed to koolhead17Sep 16 20:09
Kryczekschestowitz: because it's not a directory :PSep 16 20:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] 60k people have taken a stand against online spying in Canada. Now is your chance to join them! http://t.co/bk0S2hIQ via @cippicSep 16 20:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Release for #CentOS 5.7 i386 and x86_64 http://is.gd/mdpEkPSep 16 20:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @eff: 60k people have taken a stand against online spying in Canada. Now is your chance to join them! http://t.co/bk0S2hIQ via @cippicSep 16 20:09
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Kryczekbesides, MSFT people say "folders" - hate thatSep 16 20:10
schestowitzKryczek: at /dev/null/ gravity is so high that even MSFT can't escapeSep 16 20:10
schestowitzKryczek: yesSep 16 20:10
koolhead17Kryczek: am in ISTSep 16 20:10
schestowitzSome Linux people say so tooSep 16 20:10
schestowitzIn try to gentle correct themSep 16 20:10
schestowitzSome mail clients say folder, but that's potentially differentSep 16 20:10
MinceRi don't mindSep 16 20:11
MinceRi don't find the "directory" metaphor so much better :>Sep 16 20:11
koolhead17schestowitz sorry for not moving ahead with blog i promisedSep 16 20:11
koolhead17MinceR: heySep 16 20:11
MinceRhaySep 16 20:11
MinceRthen again, they're a both better than the hungarian "konyvtar" ("library") name...Sep 16 20:12
KryczekheheSep 16 20:12
Kryczekalso I wince when people say "forward slash"Sep 16 20:13
Kryczeklike people who have websites with backslashes in their URLsSep 16 20:13
koolhead17Happy software freedom day!! #sfd11Sep 16 20:13
ender_260015:38 < schestowitz> wyane ffer to help set up the .ca oneSep 16 20:13
Kryczekthanks, happy sfd to you tooSep 16 20:13
ender_260015:38 < schestowitz> as did tobySep 16 20:13
ender_2600that's illegal and you can have your domain taken away because techrights is not canadianSep 16 20:13
Kryczekkoolhead17: how do we celebrate it?Sep 16 20:14
KryczekI meanSep 16 20:14
KryczekI already did apt-get upgrade todaySep 16 20:14
ender_260015:35 < TechrightsBot-tr> Title: There is No Windows 8, It is Vista With New Tweaks | Techrights .::. Size~: 100.73 KBSep 16 20:14
koolhead17;-)Sep 16 20:14
schestowitzhttp://www.tuxradar.com/content/lxf-150-sale-today LXF 150 On Sale Today!Sep 16 20:14
koolhead17am going to take a workshop in engg college early morning tommorowSep 16 20:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: LXF 150 On Sale Today! | TuxRadar Linux .::. Size~: 17 KBSep 16 20:14
koolhead17:DSep 16 20:14
ender_2600There is no Vista, it's just NT4 (or OS/2) with a LOT of changesSep 16 20:14
koolhead17its raining like hell since evening thoughSep 16 20:14
ender_260015:33 < schestowitz> in Comes vs Microsoft you can see that OEM wanted to make their own shellSep 16 20:16
ender_2600packard bell did and it sucked assSep 16 20:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @SYMCanada Thanks to all for the #Healthcare Twitter Chat today. Next is Wed Sept 21 from 12-1pm. Subject: Education. Hashtag #chatsymSep 16 20:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Active play and test http://is.gd/pRp0HK !kdeSep 16 20:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #KDE4 (and Plasma) does _today_ what Microsoft says it *might* do in 2 years from now.Sep 16 20:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] As if malware and Microsoft products are strangers....more woe for the "giant" Microsoft... http://goo.gl/mQokb #microsoft #mvp #mvpbuzzSep 16 20:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] LINK: RIAA Label Used In Massive Cocaine Trafficking Ring http://goo.gl/5Mkow #riaa #piracy #tpbSep 16 20:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #ArchLinux – "It is what you make it" http://is.gd/Fkl2Yq a rising distroSep 16 20:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] @fontana thanks: http://zotzbro.blogspot.com/2009/11/distripedia.htmlSep 16 20:32
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*DrumScum cleaning out packages installed from Gentoo overlaysSep 16 20:34
DrumScumand re-emeging them from the portage treeSep 16 20:35
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DrumScumbit of a silly n00b mistake to get up-to-date versions of certain packages from overlays, while simply unmasking them would've done the trick tooSep 16 20:36
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DrumScumin the meantime reading up on some list mailSep 16 20:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] read @KenyonWallace liveblog of "Tim Hudak at the Toronto Star" http://ur1.ca/53sa1 I remember what Harris Tories did to education !OnPoliSep 16 20:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] T-Mobile can give me a faster connection speed on a tethered HTC than my landline ISP (provided by O2).. Shocking service #o2 #failSep 16 20:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] Anyone suffering from #Wikipedia deletionism should try #Distripedia: http://zotzbro.blogspot.com/2009/11/distripedia.htmlSep 16 20:41
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DrumScumschestowitz: i think clogwog has a point in cola about the subject line mentioning linux while the article is about androidSep 16 20:42
DrumScumi wish people would stop referring to android as linuxSep 16 20:43
DrumScumjust call it android, and make it very clear it's android you're talking aboutSep 16 20:43
DrumScum(just my opinion of course)Sep 16 20:43
DrumScumsame thing goes for the 'wintrolls' of courseSep 16 20:43
DrumScumdon't say 'malware is an issue on linux' but say 'malware is an issue on android'Sep 16 20:44
DrumScumthat's a bit sad about android...Sep 16 20:45
MinceRthey keep referring to gnu/linux as "linux"Sep 16 20:45
MinceRwhy not refer to android as "linux", then?Sep 16 20:45
DrumScummostly open source OS, but the entire ecosystem around it is pretty much closed :-(Sep 16 20:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz yes, that seems to be standard, deletionists kill start-up stubs people begin b/c a need is identified in another !Wikipedi articleSep 16 20:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz I'm sorry, what is a "steakout" ?Sep 16 20:46
DrumScumugh, just say 'linux' when you mean the kernelSep 16 20:46
DrumScumgnu/linux or the distros name when you're talking about typical distrosSep 16 20:46
DrumScumand anroid when you're talking about the phone osSep 16 20:46
DrumScumit's quite simpleSep 16 20:46
DrumScumbut no... it's all just 'linux'Sep 16 20:47
DrumScumblehSep 16 20:47
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ender_260016:36 <@MinceR> they keep referring to gnu/linux as "linux"Sep 16 20:49
ender_2600that's their rightSep 16 20:49
schestowitzDrumScum: the newsgroup is about linuxSep 16 20:49
schestowitzso it's fair to emphasise the linux bitSep 16 20:49
ender_2600I've thought for a long time that if we must append gnu to linux, then we should append everything else tooSep 16 20:50
schestowitzboeing did choose a linux-based platformSep 16 20:50
MinceRender_2600: that's still as much a fallacy as it ever wasSep 16 20:50
ender_2600GNU/Redhat/Linux would be more accurateSep 16 20:50
ender_2600since Redhat contributes a lot more than GNUSep 16 20:50
MinceRGNU is not a person, it's a projectSep 16 20:50
ender_2600the fallacy is having to put GNU in the nameSep 16 20:50
MinceRLinux is not a person eitherSep 16 20:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz Agreed. The only way to become repository for sum of all human knowledge is to welcome ALL knowledge. !Wikipedia cc @SuePGardnerSep 16 20:51
sebsebsebhiSep 16 20:51
MinceRender_2600: so you argue that Android should be called Linux as well. i see.Sep 16 20:51
MinceRhay sebsebseb Sep 16 20:51
ender_2600Do I really?Sep 16 20:51
ender_2600Nice putting words in my mouthSep 16 20:51
MinceReither that or you're just illogical as usual. :)Sep 16 20:51
ender_2600Actually i'm surprised RMS isn't bitching about it not being called GNU/Linux/AndroidSep 16 20:51
MinceRwhere's the GNU in Android?Sep 16 20:51
sebsebsebMinceR: hiSep 16 20:52
MinceRdo you happen to have any idea what you're talking about?Sep 16 20:52
ender_2600where is the GNU in the linux kernel source code?Sep 16 20:52
sebsebsebMinceR: or the LinuxSep 16 20:52
ender_2600im not going to fucking name it something based on the compilerSep 16 20:52
schestowitz[20:51] <MinceR> Linux is not a person eitherSep 16 20:52
MinceRender_2600: since when do GNU/Linux distros consist solely of the kernel?Sep 16 20:52
schestowitzthere is a ssedish babyc alled LinuxSep 16 20:52
schestowitzI'd show you the siteSep 16 20:52
ender_2600Mincer - exactlySep 16 20:52
MinceRender_2600: funny, the compiler is GNU tooSep 16 20:52
schestowitzBut it was published in Limnux.com, which is down ATMSep 16 20:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] How to Turn Your Nook Color into an !Android Tablet http://bit.ly/pxZPiH [pcmag]Sep 16 20:52
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ender_2600Mincer - lets call it GNU/X/GRUB/KDE (or Gnome)/LinuxSep 16 20:52
MinceRwell, call it that, thenSep 16 20:53
ender_2600orSep 16 20:53
MinceRbut don't forget a slash-delimited package listSep 16 20:53
ender_2600let the person or people who make the distro make up their own nameSep 16 20:53
MinceRor let's just call things like they areSep 16 20:53
ender_2600since its their work to put it all togetherSep 16 20:53
schestowitzfedora. ubuntu, etc.Sep 16 20:53
schestowitzThese are OS namesSep 16 20:53
MinceRyeah, only canonical's work countsSep 16 20:53
schestowitzAndroid, WeboS...Sep 16 20:53
ender_2600exactly schestowitzSep 16 20:53
ender_2600Fedora, UbuntuSep 16 20:54
MinceRi'm not taking issue with calling a distro by its official name, hereSep 16 20:54
ender_2600you can't compile a linux kernel without GNU?Sep 16 20:54
ender_2600that's hard to believeSep 16 20:54
MinceRbut "GNU/Linux" is not one distro, it's a term that covers all the distrosSep 16 20:54
sebsebsebschestowitz: Don't you find this a bit hmm, that he requests to @support to be an admin of some groups and becomes it? http://identi.ca/notice/82379730  well at least Mageia group has a logo now, but nope he's not cleared out the fake accounts from it.Sep 16 20:54
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MinceRender_2600: ok, time to tell me which distro ships only the kernelSep 16 20:54
MinceR(no glibc, etc.)Sep 16 20:54
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schestowitz`kernel.orgSep 16 20:55
ender_2600Can you still do that when they start shipping LLVM/Linux distros?Sep 16 20:55
ender_2600Mincer - Does Android?Sep 16 20:55
MinceRdoes LLVM replace GNU entirely? i don't think it doesSep 16 20:55
MinceRAndroid is a distro now?Sep 16 20:55
ender_2600sureSep 16 20:55
MinceRand it consists only of the kernel?Sep 16 20:55
MinceRso what is Dalvik, then?Sep 16 20:55
schestowitzSlavian-sounding nameSep 16 20:56
ender_2600anything you bundle up with the linux kernel could be called a distroSep 16 20:56
DrPizzaMinceR: no, but you could probably take LLVM + BSD userland + Linux kernelSep 16 20:56
DrPizzaMinceR: and if you can't now, you probably can soonSep 16 20:56
MinceRDrPizza: funny thing, none of the distros do that :>Sep 16 20:56
MinceRbut you're welcome to do itSep 16 20:56
schestowitzDebianSep 16 20:56
schestowitzAlmostSep 16 20:56
ender_2600Mincer - when it works well im sure some willSep 16 20:56
MinceRthen it won't be GNU/LinuxSep 16 20:56
DrPizzano, LLVM has only become usable in the past few yearsSep 16 20:56
MinceRschestowitz: no, Debian has a GNU/kFreeBSD versionSep 16 20:56
MinceRquite the oppositeSep 16 20:56
ender_2600GNU/Linux is a fallacySep 16 20:57
ender_2600its RMS ego trip gone to the extremeSep 16 20:57
DrPizza^Sep 16 20:57
MinceRender_2600 can't disagree without being provocativeSep 16 20:57
schestowitzMinceR: the point was, it mises licencesSep 16 20:57
schestowitz*mixesSep 16 20:57
schestowitzbsd married to gplSep 16 20:57
ender_2600I've actually sent RMS an email about this years ago before I jumped on the FSF bandwagon, and then off againSep 16 20:57
DrPizzaI'd swtich to an RMS-free Linux distroSep 16 20:58
schestowitzI haven't heard about/from Peter Brown in agesSep 16 20:58
MinceRDrPizza: just stay with windows and shut upSep 16 20:58
ender_2600The FSF should make its own distro and shut up, then it can name it whatever it wants and dictate to itself what it can includeSep 16 20:58
DrPizzaMinceR: herp derpSep 16 20:59
schestowitzDrPizza: distros don't include peopleSep 16 20:59
MinceRender_2600 woke the other trollSep 16 20:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] August 2011 Progress Report: https://blog.torproject.org/blog/august-2011-progress-reportSep 16 20:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] GSoC 2011: tails-greeter - boot menu for TAILS - https://blog.torproject.org/blog/gsoc-2011-tails-greeter-boot-menu-tailsSep 16 20:59
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schestowitzMicrosoft likes BSDSep 16 20:59
schestowitzUsing it to devalue GNUSep 16 20:59
schestowitzAnd make it easier to exploit codeSep 16 20:59
schestowitzAnd not give backSep 16 21:00
ender_260016:48 <@MinceR> ender_2600 can't disagree without being provocativeSep 16 21:00
ender_2600he finally admits thisSep 16 21:00
schestowitzSee its compatriot AppleSep 16 21:00
ender_2600I can't disagree without being considered 'provacative'Sep 16 21:00
ender_2600ie, a trollSep 16 21:00
MinceRender_2600: i "finally admit" that you're a trollSep 16 21:00
MinceR?Sep 16 21:00
MinceRlet's see what you said in the other channelSep 16 21:00
MinceR220019 < ender_2600> I think this means that he purposely writes stuff to anger people because it increases his hits or somethingSep 16 21:00
ender_2600I'm not writing an article trying to attract readers with my opinionsSep 16 21:00
MinceR220132 <@MinceR> in other words, he's a trollSep 16 21:00
MinceR220201 < ender_2600> or a standard journalistSep 16 21:00
MinceR220210 < ender_2600> they're all trollsSep 16 21:00
ender_2600I'm disagreeing with something you wroteSep 16 21:01
MinceRno, you're trying to stir up a flamewar on an irc channelSep 16 21:01
ender_2600no im notSep 16 21:01
MinceRbut of course it's OK if you do itSep 16 21:01
MinceRjust not if your fellow microsoft worshiper does itSep 16 21:01
schestowitzMinceR: I don't think he triesSep 16 21:02
schestowitzHe just doesSep 16 21:02
schestowitzBut IMHO, it's not a fruitless "Flamewar"Sep 16 21:02
schestowitzIt's a silly flameewar when you start talking about people and stuff that's irrelevantSep 16 21:03
schestowitzlike RMSSep 16 21:03
schestowitzor particular trollsSep 16 21:03
ender_2600im not trying to start a fight, i would like it much better if you would agree with me insteadSep 16 21:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is mfat with 130 dents!Sep 16 21:04
schestowitzRight... I'm getting back to reading and denting some Linux news :-)Sep 16 21:04
ender_2600:)Sep 16 21:07
ender_2600EntanglementOS will be targeting F16 nowSep 16 21:07
ender_2600They are making the KDE more modular so I'll be able to pack it smallerSep 16 21:08
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ender_2600Plus, its out in 2 months. No point in releasing something F15 based now.Sep 16 21:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RT @privacyint: South Korea using DPI on gmail apparently http://bit.ly/pIQi1RSep 16 21:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Oracle adds proprietary./nonfree extensions to #MySQL http://is.gd/F1URQD Ellison's cheeky planSep 16 21:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Omaha 3: Updating Google style http://is.gd/ZUZV0kSep 16 21:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @tracyrreed: Come with me to this Meetup for Kernel-Panic Linux User's Group (KPLUG)! http://t.co/4xHPqCGFSep 16 21:19
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schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/Omar_S_Hafez/status/114792775974797312Sep 16 21:22
TechrightsBot-tr@Omar_S_Hafez: @schestowitz PGSQl has always been better the MySQL anyway. #imhoSep 16 21:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @zoowar: If piracy means stealing, shouldn't anti-piracy mean giving rather than suing? #fs #floss #dbdSep 16 21:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @mgeist ITU ranks UK, Korea, NZ, Holland, Germany, Denmark, Finland, Iceland, Lux, Norway, Sweden & Swiss.. net usageSep 16 21:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] "Every year in Europe, about 35,000 people are killed in road accidents, and about 1.5 million people are injured" http://is.gd/HUAQMDSep 16 21:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] In the WarOnCarAccidents, police officers compile a CarTerrorist WatchList and eavesdrop on these drivers' GPS, phone records, diet (drink)Sep 16 21:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] In the WarOnCancer, policemen arrest people who smoke in public, ban cellphones, restrict the use of wi-fi, and illegalise unhealthy foodsSep 16 21:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Maybe it would be good to have a #WarOnWars (especially those which politicians exploit to criminalise the oppressed).. http://is.gd/gAVxp6Sep 16 21:36
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ♻ @mgeist: RT @Copycense: Professor: UK #copyright term extension will cost the public 1 billion euros http://t.co/rNPCLrX2Sep 16 21:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Open source tool enables security tests for chip cards http://is.gd/kFyaVn #opensource #securitySep 16 21:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Onxshop #CMS goes fully open source http://is.gd/zOVzFc "eager4other developers who find Onxshop useful to contribute to the source code."Sep 16 21:41
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twitterahhhhh!  http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2011/09/guinness-world-records-tongue.html?track=icymiSep 16 21:44
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ender_260017:27 -TRIdentica:#techrights- [schestowitz/@schestowitz] In the WarOnCancer, policemen arrest people who smoke in public, ban cellphones, restrict the use of wi-fi, and illegalise unhealthy foodsSep 16 21:49
ender_2600A shame for someSep 16 21:49
ender_2600the world health organization did declare wi-fi unsafeSep 16 21:49
ender_2600like asbestos, it took a long timeSep 16 21:50
ender_2600not quite as long thoughSep 16 21:50
ender_2600im sure the arguements about it being 'safe' will continue for decades thoughSep 16 21:50
ender_2600illegalise unhealthy foods? LOLSep 16 21:51
ender_2600Canada did ban cell phones while driving, and smoking in buildings where people workSep 16 21:51
ender_2600You can smoke outside in publicSep 16 21:52
ender_260050 feet away from any entranceSep 16 21:52
ender_2600No arrests, just ticketsSep 16 21:52
ender_2600tickets: a more sophisticated form of being a HighwaymanSep 16 21:53
ender_2600http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/HighwaymanSep 16 21:53
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schestowitzender_2600: trueSep 16 21:53
ender_2600cops are just highwaymen, or road agents, or bushrangersSep 16 21:53
ender_2600working for the government instead of independantlySep 16 21:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] Awesomeness: Bukowski in #Boston had "fried pickles" listed under "Vegetable of the Day".Sep 16 21:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @zoowar If piracy means stealing, shouldn't anti-piracy mean giving rather than suing? !fs !floss !dbdSep 16 21:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wildcard/@wildcard] RT @arkblitz Professional photographer releases a set of famous-people photos as !CreativeCommons BY as an experiment: http://is.gd/i89w ...Sep 16 21:57
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schestowitzMono Planet on Linux http://www.sdtimes.com/blog/post/2011/09/16/Youre-doin-it-wrong.aspxSep 16 21:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Thunderstorm? [IMG] http://i.imgur.com/P2Xm2.jpg Let the HAARP conspiracists harpSep 16 22:04
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_Goblinender_2600: "working for the government instead of independantly" - if then this was the case, who would they be accountable too?Sep 16 22:04
_Goblinregardless of if politicians live up to their promises...they are voted in by the public in a democracy to lead the country.  If the government fails, then after the blame has rested on those making the decisions, it rests squarely on those who voted them in....Sep 16 22:06
_Goblinpresumably law and order (and a politicians ideas on it) are one of the things that makes the voter vote for them.Sep 16 22:07
schestowitzthe media can subvert the voting processSep 16 22:07
_Goblinthen thats the fault of the media and those who buy into it.Sep 16 22:08
schestowitzIt can daemonise or promote candidatesSep 16 22:08
*schestowitz is now known as inSep 16 22:08
*in is now known as schestowitzSep 16 22:08
schestowitzIn this genrration maybe people are stuck to tubesSep 16 22:08
schestowitzread-onlySep 16 22:08
_Goblinmaybe...Sep 16 22:08
_GoblinI'm not...Sep 16 22:08
schestowitzAnd a lot of the information they receive is centralisedSep 16 22:08
_Goblinneither would I suggest many people who are here.Sep 16 22:08
schestowitzThis gives a lot of power to media owners who sell influence and perceptionSep 16 22:09
_Goblinwe are not special and to think otherwise would be arrogant....if we can consider the misleading media and false promises, I'm sure many others can.Sep 16 22:09
_Goblinthats then a campaign against the media, not the law or politicians.Sep 16 22:11
_Goblinthe worse possible world would be one which law is dealt with "independently"...can you imagine...what one was punished for another would go free, discretion would be taken to extremes and corruption could be rife.Sep 16 22:12
_Goblinthe example ender_2600 gave of highway man, would be exactly what would happen if the law enforcement agencies were allowed to work independently.Sep 16 22:13
_Goblinand you cannot put the responsibility of the monitoring in the hands of the general public, because as you say Roy, they can be influenced by the media...again, a nightmare world to live in.Sep 16 22:14
schestowitzthere's media regulation bodiesSep 16 22:14
_Goblinand where were they with the phone hacking?Sep 16 22:15
_Goblinor the harassing of Princess DianaSep 16 22:15
_Goblinor the doorstep camping of victims of crime?Sep 16 22:15
schestowitzofcom, mediamatters, etc.Sep 16 22:15
_Goblintoothless...we don't even need to debate that.Sep 16 22:15
_Goblinlook at todays news.Sep 16 22:15
schestowitznews of the UK os news of the world?Sep 16 22:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] !FSF speaks against patent and DRM provisions at Trans-Pacific Partnership negotiators' meeting http://ur1.ca/53t1a !gnu #tppSep 16 22:16
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_Goblinwe can only speak for the UK here but its strange how when the article in the press in anti-establishment its ok....if its pro then its called bias....Sep 16 22:16
_GoblinOfficer found innocent of assault = Bias, incorrect, lies.....     Officer found guilty = Truthful, good reporting...Sep 16 22:17
ender_260017:57 <@_Goblin> regardless of if politicians live up to their promises...theySep 16 22:17
ender_2600                 are voted in by the public in a democracy to lead the country.Sep 16 22:17
ender_2600                 If the government fails, then after the blame has rested onSep 16 22:17
ender_2600                 those making the decisions, it rests squarely on those whoSep 16 22:17
ender_2600                 voted them in....Sep 16 22:18
ender_2600says the son of a freemasonSep 16 22:18
ender_2600the media decides who wins buddySep 16 22:18
_Goblinyep...and Ive had no contact at all with that organizationSep 16 22:18
ender_2600I should believe a freemasons son?Sep 16 22:18
_GoblinI don't even know when they meet or what they doSep 16 22:18
_Goblinwell yes you shouldSep 16 22:18
_GoblinI didn't have to tell you in the first placeSep 16 22:18
ender_2600i wouldn't trust a freemason to sell me a used carSep 16 22:18
_Goblinand I wouldn't trust you....you've changed your tune so many times over the years, I don't even know your viewpoint.Sep 16 22:19
_Goblinwhat happened to your Microsoft training courses shortly after you spent years ranting at MS employee's?Sep 16 22:19
ender_2600im sure he knows all about ecclesiastic freemasonrySep 16 22:19
ender_2600hes just a goon, he knows nothingSep 16 22:19
_Goblincan't answer ender?Sep 16 22:19
ender_2600my viewpoint hasn't changed muchSep 16 22:19
_Goblinoh dearSep 16 22:19
_GoblinlolSep 16 22:19
_GoblinlolSep 16 22:19
ender_260018:10 <@_Goblin> what happened to your Microsoft training courses shortly after you spent years ranting at MS employee's?Sep 16 22:20
_Goblinyes it has, you have more faces than mount rushmoreSep 16 22:20
ender_2600I spent the entire day browsing the web and got a 90%Sep 16 22:20
_Goblinfirst you were agreeing with Roy, then you attacked him, then you appologized, then you slagged him off.Sep 16 22:20
_GoblinI could go on...Sep 16 22:20
ender_2600my opinion changes, yesSep 16 22:20
_Goblinit sure doesSep 16 22:20
ender_2600the sign of a thinking human beingSep 16 22:20
_Goblinlike the windSep 16 22:20
_Goblinyou are two faced.Sep 16 22:21
_Goblinsorry, no your notSep 16 22:21
ender_2600when new evidence arrives that destroys your previous world view, your opinion changesSep 16 22:21
_Goblinas I say you have more faces than Mount RushmoreSep 16 22:21
_Goblinlol.Sep 16 22:21
_Goblinno you just don't understandSep 16 22:21
_Goblinyou are confusedSep 16 22:21
schestowitzCondell nis now mocking the left and right in America http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0jBRY_Aki9s&feature=digest_refresh_monSep 16 22:21
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_Goblinand your opinion means nothing because you can't even make your mind up which side you are on.Sep 16 22:21
_Goblinlike the masons thing....Sep 16 22:21
_Goblinwhy should I mention it ?Sep 16 22:22
ender_2600what side i'm on?Sep 16 22:22
_Goblinbecause, it was a topical point.  I had nothing to hide, no involvement,Sep 16 22:22
_Goblinof the argument enderSep 16 22:22
ender_2600what side do you think I'm on?Sep 16 22:22
_GoblinIve got no clue...Sep 16 22:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[johnsu01/@johnsu01] RD @fsf #FSF speaks against patent and DRM provisions at Trans-Pacific Partnership negotiators' meeting http://ur1.ca/53t1a #tppSep 16 22:22
_Goblinwhen a topic is brought up you change your mind so many times, I wouldn't like to saySep 16 22:22
_Goblinjust like with your Microsoft courses.Sep 16 22:23
_Goblinyou intentionally flameSep 16 22:23
ender_2600I advocate real freedom and I hate government and moneySep 16 22:23
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_Goblinyou can't argue...Sep 16 22:23
_Goblinand you annoy 90% of the people here.Sep 16 22:23
ender_2600the microsoft courses were forced upon me by the government who paid for itSep 16 22:23
_GoblinlolSep 16 22:23
_Goblinthats not what you said on your blogSep 16 22:23
_Goblinwould you like me to dig out the screen grabs?Sep 16 22:23
ender_2600sureSep 16 22:23
ender_2600cause im sure i said it was a government programSep 16 22:24
_GoblinlolSep 16 22:24
_GoblinliarSep 16 22:24
_GoblintrollSep 16 22:24
_GoblinnoSep 16 22:24
_Goblinsorry not trollSep 16 22:24
ender_2600also during the program at TriOS I often came in here telling about how they were lying about linuxSep 16 22:24
_Goblinender....I'm not interested....ive tollerated you only as a politeness to Roy, who seems to think everyone, including you should be welcome.Sep 16 22:24
ender_2600you take screengrabs of my site?Sep 16 22:24
ender_2600how often?Sep 16 22:25
ender_2600thats kind of creepySep 16 22:25
_GoblinWhen you posted about Microsoft courses yes.  It struck me as strange as you posted the last few years attacking Microsoft.Sep 16 22:25
_Goblinand also me (which you deleted)Sep 16 22:25
_GoblinYou are one step away from a ban here.Sep 16 22:25
ender_2600ban for what?Sep 16 22:25
_Goblingetting under my skin with your dishonest implication and numerous faces for starters.Sep 16 22:26
_Goblinyou could even argue back with the comment you made about idependant law enforcement.Sep 16 22:26
_Goblin*couldn'tSep 16 22:26
ender_2600huhSep 16 22:26
_Goblinlet me remind you....Sep 16 22:26
_Goblin"I should believe a freemasons son?"Sep 16 22:27
_Goblinin the last 10 minutesSep 16 22:27
_Goblininsulting, rude, and stupid.Sep 16 22:27
ender_2600yeah you were arguing my highwayman pointSep 16 22:27
_Goblinoh so you counter by being insulting.Sep 16 22:27
ender_2600the government passes laws just to extract money from peopleSep 16 22:27
ender_2600the government works with freemasonrySep 16 22:27
_Goblinoh God....I give up....Sep 16 22:27
ender_2600they ticket people for all sorts of stupid bullshitSep 16 22:28
ender_2600things that shouldn't be illegalSep 16 22:28
ender_2600things that don't hurt othersSep 16 22:28
_Goblinso says you.Sep 16 22:28
_Goblinvote them outSep 16 22:28
ender_2600that doesnt workSep 16 22:28
ender_2600its never worked in ALL OF HISTORYSep 16 22:28
_Goblinthen why moan in techrights.? what do you want us to do about it?Sep 16 22:29
ender_2600find me an example of one government that truely worked for the peopleSep 16 22:29
_Goblinthe fact that society stays relatively stable without total anarchy.....Sep 16 22:29
_Goblintake away law...see what happensSep 16 22:29
ender_2600i'd rather have anarchySep 16 22:29
ender_2600than tyrannySep 16 22:29
_GoblinIm sure you would....Sep 16 22:29
_Goblinyou would last 5 minutes.Sep 16 22:29
ender_2600you're just a slave with benefitsSep 16 22:29
_Goblinyou would be the first casualty...mainly because you seem to have no clue about how the real world works.Sep 16 22:30
ender_2600i'd learn some isreali Krav MagaSep 16 22:30
ender_2600and fend for myselfSep 16 22:30
_GoblinlolSep 16 22:30
_Goblincan I change what I just said...Sep 16 22:30
_GoblinI'd give you 2 minutesSep 16 22:30
ender_2600and i'd have gunsSep 16 22:30
ender_2600you can't have guns in canada without going to a government gun storeSep 16 22:30
ender_2600where you have to be in a registrySep 16 22:30
_Goblindon't care....Sep 16 22:30
_GoblinI wouldn't want you to own a gun.Sep 16 22:31
ender_2600so the government knows who has guns, and how to deal with you when the new world order takes overSep 16 22:31
_GoblinlolSep 16 22:31
_Goblinnot the BorgSep 16 22:31
_Goblin?Sep 16 22:31
ender_2600i've always talked about this stuffSep 16 22:31
_Goblinno you haven't.....Sep 16 22:31
ender_2600yes I haveSep 16 22:31
_GoblinI don't remember you ever talking about guns and NWO...Sep 16 22:32
ender_2600i was linking anti-nwo stuff while i was still worshiping RMSSep 16 22:32
_GoblinlolSep 16 22:32
_Goblinmind change againSep 16 22:32
ender_2600right, a learning mind changesSep 16 22:32
_Goblinagreed.....Sep 16 22:32
_Goblinbut youve made a mockery of yourself in doing it.Sep 16 22:32
_Goblinand you go from one extreme to the other.Sep 16 22:32
ender_2600not reallySep 16 22:33
ender_2600can you provide examples?Sep 16 22:33
ender_2600also email me that screenshotSep 16 22:33
ender_2600brandon at qubitarkhive.comSep 16 22:33
_Goblinre: grab....you'll have to wait, its on a disk...I'll post it.Sep 16 22:33
ender_2600you'll post it?Sep 16 22:33
_Goblinanarchy remember? No rules?Sep 16 22:33
ender_2600good :)Sep 16 22:33
ender_2600yes, anarchy also means I have no rules eitherSep 16 22:33
_Goblinyou don'tSep 16 22:34
_Goblinyou say anything just to get reaction, then when you get bored with a certain view you change again.Sep 16 22:34
ender_2600im not the one who thinks slavery with permissions and benefits is a good thingSep 16 22:34
_Goblinand niether am I.Sep 16 22:34
ender_260018:25 <@_Goblin> you say anything just to get reaction, then when you get bored with a certain view you change again.Sep 16 22:34
ender_2600examples?Sep 16 22:34
ender_2600'when you get bored with a certain view you change again'Sep 16 22:34
_Goblinlook back at the logs, maybe you can't understand, but you wind people up...you can't converse like an adult thats why most people here don't have time for you.Sep 16 22:35
ender_2600i dont have the patience to look at the logsSep 16 22:35
ender_2600provide your own evidenceSep 16 22:35
_GoblinI wont argue the point....ok....lets do a test...Sep 16 22:35
_GoblinWho thinks Ender actually has a real opinion?Sep 16 22:35
_GoblinI'll repeat it until we get someone....Sep 16 22:35
MinceRmaybe he has one, but he won't tellSep 16 22:35
_Goblin,kSep 16 22:36
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ender_2600a real opinion of whatSep 16 22:36
_GoblinlolSep 16 22:36
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MinceRhe always expresses the "opinion" he thinks is most inflammatory at the momentSep 16 22:36
_GoblinyepSep 16 22:36
_Goblinbut Ender wont agree...Sep 16 22:36
ender_2600LOLSep 16 22:36
_Goblinif you said grass was green he would say it was blueSep 16 22:36
MinceRof course he won'tSep 16 22:36
ender_2600so now that I won't agree with that I don't have an opinion?Sep 16 22:36
MinceRthat would be the end of the flameSep 16 22:36
ender_2600if you can't figure out my opinion; no wonderSep 16 22:37
_Goblinender_2600: nobody is interested anymore in your opinion Ender. You are a nasty little individual who has more faces than mount Rushmore.Sep 16 22:37
ender_2600well then perhaps I won't come backSep 16 22:38
_Goblinother adults here can disagree and be civil....you ender cannot...thats your problem, not anyone elses..... Why not try to find your "NWO" and come back when you are ready to take over the world.Sep 16 22:38
_Goblinwe'll be waiting....Sep 16 22:38
_Goblinand do a few insulting blog posts on your echo chamber....get it off your chest....Sep 16 22:38
_Goblinyou'll be back in a few months time with a different viewpoint anyway.Sep 16 22:38
ender_2600i have plenty of readersSep 16 22:38
_Goblinyeah, ok Ender.....Sep 16 22:39
ender_2600i haven't really had a different viewpointSep 16 22:39
ender_2600if anything i'm the true freedom advocateSep 16 22:39
_GoblinlolSep 16 22:39
ender_2600no rules = freedomSep 16 22:39
_Goblinby making false implication and being insultingSep 16 22:39
MinceRyes, freedom from facts, reality and sanitySep 16 22:39
ender_2600gpl has rules = non freedomSep 16 22:39
_GoblinSo we can do what we want ender?Sep 16 22:39
_Goblinyou are happy for everyone to do as they please?Sep 16 22:39
ender_2600sureSep 16 22:39
_GoblingreatSep 16 22:39
*_Goblin sets ban on *!*brandon@d72-38-2-153.commercial1.cgocable.netSep 16 22:40
*_Goblin has kicked ender_2600 from #techrights (ender_2600)Sep 16 22:40
MinceR\o/Sep 16 22:40
_GoblinWell he did say we can do as we please.Sep 16 22:40
MinceR:>Sep 16 22:40
_GoblinI'm exercising his freedomSep 16 22:40
_Goblinand mineSep 16 22:40
MinceRlolSep 16 22:40
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_Goblinit feels good......maybe theres something in this NWO ;)Sep 16 22:41
_GoblinI am fed up with him offending people with his silly and ever changing rants.Sep 16 22:41
_GoblinI am fed up with the way he smiles sweetly here and then stabs people in the back elsewhere...Sep 16 22:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♻ @boycottnovell: Links 16/9/2011: Boeing Goes With Android, Oracle Splits MySQL http://is.gd/nN4sqM #techrightsSep 16 22:42
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twitterwhy would they agree with you when they could could correct you instead? -> ender_2600: im not trying to start a fight, i would like it much better if you would agree with me insteadSep 16 22:43
schestowitzthe anti-govt. opinion is not making the channel look too goodSep 16 22:43
schestowitzit's what gets police visitng people's homesSep 16 22:43
MinceRthe government is not making the pro-government opinion look too goodSep 16 22:43
MinceRthe government is not making itself look too goodSep 16 22:43
schestowitzender suggests overthrowing itSep 16 22:44
schestowitzthese are dangerous statements to makeSep 16 22:44
schestowitzLike people whom I hear threatening to hurt bank(er)sSep 16 22:44
_Goblinschestowitz: I don't think its the anti-government opinion, its just Ender's opinion that makes the channel look bad.Sep 16 22:44
_Goblinunless you agree with a government 100% theres always something to be anti about.Sep 16 22:45
_Goblinand I'd be highly suspicious of someone if they didn't have something to be critical about.Sep 16 22:45
_GoblinEnder has been a parasite for too long...his opinion is so weak and his mind so slow, he couldn't even see the blatant ban he was headed for...Sep 16 22:46
_GoblinI am sorry Roy, I know you are all for freedom of speech, but Im also a supporter of freedom of expression.  I expressed my opinion and hopefully he won't be able to ruin any further conversations of others.....Sep 16 22:47
_Goblinas Dr Spock said:Sep 16 22:47
_Goblin"The needs of the many, out-wiegh the needs of the few"Sep 16 22:48
_GoblinI'm sure Ender can find another forum to satisfy his "needs" whatever they may be.Sep 16 22:48
_Goblin....Sep 16 22:48
_GoblinI am now waiting for mandatory onslaught of emails that you get when the Ender starts his ranting.Sep 16 22:49
twitterI'm sure he's got a number of nyms here.Sep 16 22:49
schestowitzyeahSep 16 22:49
schestowitzatlasSep 16 22:49
twitterbullshit, drama, nothing interesting. Sep 16 22:49
schestowitzhe got very angry with me when I did not accept his allegation that the govt. was being the 7/7 bombing of the London TubeSep 16 22:50
twitterDid you see where 50 US planes were raided to celebrate 9/11?Sep 16 22:50
_GoblinI have learnt something tonight.....Sep 16 22:50
schestowitztwitter: I heard about itSep 16 22:50
schestowitzsomeone blogged it, I linkedSep 16 22:51
twitterPolice overreactions to "suspicious behavior"  glad you linked it.Sep 16 22:51
_Goblinthat New World Order means something other than the WCW wrestling group headed by Hulk Hogan.....Sep 16 22:51
twitterGot it from RMS.Sep 16 22:51
schestowitz_Goblin: Hulk Hogan controls the govt :-)Sep 16 22:52
twitterSome brown skinned person used the bathroom, so goon squads come trooping in and point guns ah 116 people.Sep 16 22:52
twitterIt's absurd and stupid.Sep 16 22:52
_Goblin"Whatcha gonna do when I wrap these pythons around you" - Classic HoganSep 16 22:52
twitterI'm told the corporate media did damage control already making the suspicious behavior sound scarier than swat raids.Sep 16 22:52
_Goblintwitter: Its very easy for you to say that, unless you were witness to it though, you are reliant on the very thing myself and Roy have just been saying misleads people...the media.Sep 16 22:54
_GoblinI'd say the best position to be in critical of both sides.....Sep 16 22:54
twitterI trust the blogger.Sep 16 22:54
twitterShe's my neighbor.Sep 16 22:55
_Goblinhindsight is a wonderful thing.....would it have been so stupid if they had found suspicious intent?Sep 16 22:55
twitterYes, it would.Sep 16 22:55
twitterThe plane was on the ground.  No swat team was required to control three suspicious people.Sep 16 22:56
_GoblinSo you are saying if the suspicion was correct and they had prevented a disaster, that would be stupid?Sep 16 22:56
twitterNo disaster could have been prevented by the raid.Sep 16 22:56
twitteror the interrogations or the strip searchesSep 16 22:56
_Goblintwitter: You just don't know what could have happened...hindsight is great....I think you would be singing a different tune if the suspicions had been ignored and there was a disaster...Sep 16 22:57
_Goblinthe difficulty is...Sep 16 22:57
_Goblinwe are dealing with peoples fears....Sep 16 22:57
_Goblinrightly or wrongly they have themSep 16 22:57
_Goblinhowever...Sep 16 22:57
twitterpolice reactions need to be reasonableSep 16 22:57
_Goblineveryone has a different threshold.......you were not there...Sep 16 22:57
_Goblinpolice reactions need to be reasonable - Completely agree....Sep 16 22:58
_Goblinwhats reasonable.Sep 16 22:58
_Goblin?Sep 16 22:58
twitterwhat's the reasonable reaction to an accusation?  investigation.Sep 16 22:58
twittersomething strange happened in the toilet? look at the toilet.Sep 16 22:58
twitternothing there?  never mind.Sep 16 22:58
_Goblinand if the person has an intent of say a detonation...you think they will sit back whilst you conduct your investigation?Sep 16 22:58
twitterno, you get all the people off the plane in a normal way that won't tip off the suspected bomber.Sep 16 22:59
_Goblinhow can you be sure? Is the bomber amongst them? Is it a remote detonation device?Sep 16 22:59
twitterrunning down the runway with police escort is really stupidSep 16 22:59
twitterit tips them off, boomSep 16 22:59
_Goblinbut you don't know the deployment means....Sep 16 23:00
_Goblinit could be remote...Sep 16 23:00
_Goblinit could be a passenger....Sep 16 23:00
_Goblinit could be the pilot....Sep 16 23:00
twitterand the crisis was largely over once the plane was on the groundSep 16 23:00
_Goblinit could be nobody at allSep 16 23:00
sebsebseb_Goblin: Ender probably didn't realy care or probably didn't care that much that he was going to posbily get bannedSep 16 23:00
sebsebsebjust been reading scroll backSep 16 23:01
_Goblinits very easy for you to sit there and make decisions, but if a hard stop has even the remotest chance of preventing disaster and saving life, I'm all for it.Sep 16 23:01
twitterYou are making me nervous, let me call the police.Sep 16 23:01
twitterYou are all for it.Sep 16 23:01
_Goblinthats fine...but then the confines of a plane are very different to an anon person on an IRC channelSep 16 23:02
sebsebseb_Goblin: anyway yeah these NWO belivers can make online communites look bad at times, by many othersSep 16 23:02
_Goblinlets not take this to extremes.Sep 16 23:02
MinceRsebsebseb: if he remains banned, it doesn't matterSep 16 23:02
_Goblin"threat of immediate harm" is very different on the mindset that 1000's of miles separated on an IRC channel.Sep 16 23:02
_Goblin*thanSep 16 23:02
twitteryou went to the bathroom.  I was afraid you would blow up your neighbor's houses.Sep 16 23:03
_Goblineh?Sep 16 23:03
_Goblinbut thats not you.Sep 16 23:03
_Goblinlike i say......Sep 16 23:03
twitterit's not supposed to make sense, but the police reaction should.Sep 16 23:03
_Goblinthe confines of a plane, introduce a whole different environment.Sep 16 23:03
twitterno one is confined on the ground.Sep 16 23:03
_Goblinno twitter, because on the balance of probabilty my visit to the bathroom involves nothing more than using the loo..... on a plane (rightly or wrongly) it puts people in a different mindset.Sep 16 23:04
_Goblinif you are looking to blame.....blame the person who reported it.....who forced the authorities to act.Sep 16 23:04
_GoblinIf they were as reasonable as I'm sure you would have been in the same circumstance, then the Police would never have arrived.Sep 16 23:05
_Goblinyou need to take your complaint to the mindset of the public.... I quite agree that its silly that a male going to the toilet creates suspicion....I can't say what my opinion of it would be though since I was never there....what I would say is that you need to change the mind of the people making these reports, not the authorities for using everything in their power to prevent disaster when they recieve a report.Sep 16 23:06
twitterwe disagree about this.  you think the response was correct.  I think it would have been better to get the passengers away from the supposed danger than it was to make them sit on it and have a swat team break in.Sep 16 23:09
_Goblinno I don't think the response was correct in hindsight....however.Sep 16 23:09
_GoblinI don't blame the authorities for doing everything to ensure there was no threat after the report had been made....Sep 16 23:09
twitteryou don't but you doSep 16 23:10
_Goblinand if scaring my parents on a plane means that its 100% certain they are in no danger, then reluctantly, I am happy for them to use those methods.Sep 16 23:10
_Goblinno what I mean is that the response has to be hard, in this instance the report was wrong.  I don't blame the authorities for using every means....like I say, your arguement is with the mindset of the public who make the reports.Sep 16 23:11
_Goblinno report = no action.Sep 16 23:11
_Goblinhowever once a report is made....authorites have a duty of care to ensure there is no threat..... you can't comment on their techniques since I assume you have no training...Sep 16 23:11
_Goblinwe cannot second guess what decisions were made and why because neither of us were privvy to the info at the time.Sep 16 23:12
twitteryou say that every report must be escalated to a swat raid?  nuts.Sep 16 23:12
_Goblineven the blogger won't be in posession of all facts...there could have been numerous reports, it could have been malicious, it could have been exagerated......we just don't know.Sep 16 23:12
MinceRi can comment on whether an egg tastes good without being able to lay one :>Sep 16 23:13
_Goblintwitter: I'd say in terms of personal safety in an environment which has been scene of an attack, then yes....and btw just because you have read about one swat raid, don't imagine they are all swat raids.Sep 16 23:13
_Goblinyou haven't even considered a command error by the officer in charge.Sep 16 23:14
sebsebseb_Goblin: MinceR schestowitz  Old, but interesting scanned through  a bit and just started watching properly, altough paused for this message: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=dr9jpntQoC0Sep 16 23:14
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Windows 8 Ultimate Leaked Best OS Yet!  - see Download Link In Description!       - YouTube .::. Size~: 115.97 KBSep 16 23:14
MinceRmore vista8 hype? yawn.Sep 16 23:14
sebsebsebMinceR: no not quiteSep 16 23:14
sebsebsebMinceR: this is a joke thing from last year :DSep 16 23:14
twittermore hypeSep 16 23:14
sebsebsebtwitter: no not at allSep 16 23:14
MinceRoh.Sep 16 23:14
sebsebsebthis is from a Linux userSep 16 23:14
sebsebsebsee for your selvesSep 16 23:15
*MinceR watchesSep 16 23:15
MinceRonce i fix my headphones, that isSep 16 23:15
twitterSchestowitz is right.  There's no reason to even talk about Vista part 3.Sep 16 23:16
twitterit's not even worthy of ridiculeSep 16 23:16
sebsebsebI think Windows 8 will sell quite wellSep 16 23:16
_Goblintwitter: There isn't much comedy in the world of Tech....for that reason, its always good to talk about Microsoft.Sep 16 23:16
sebsebseband most of the worlds computers need to run Windows 8, that people are using, so yep not XP anymoreSep 16 23:17
sebsebsebor yep WIndows 8 is yet another failure, like Vista and Windows 7Sep 16 23:17
sebsebsebI was saying this kind of thing to my little brother earlier, after showing him a WIndows 8 videoSep 16 23:17
twitterit's going to be another failure.Sep 16 23:17
sebsebsebhe didn't quite understand why they need to compete against their own stuff, but now I think he does pretty muchSep 16 23:17
twitterVista was a failure, Vista 7 was worse, Vista 8 will hardly be noticed. Sep 16 23:18
sebsebsebhowever the plan is to get him a lap top with Windows 8, and also to put Mageia on it :DSep 16 23:18
sebsebsebhe wants a lap top when he starts seondary school of his own, or around then, so yeahSep 16 23:18
twitterWhy chose a version to pave over?Sep 16 23:18
sebsebsebtwitter: no poitn buying Windows 7 now, when 8 is coming out next yearSep 16 23:18
twitterjust buy something cheap with good hardware and kill it.Sep 16 23:18
_Goblinsebsebseb: I think earlier today I proclaimed it Windows 7 with new UI.....sort of a Gnome-Shell for Windows 7.....sort of....Sep 16 23:18
sebsebseb_Goblin: and 8 can run the old interface as well the Windows 7 GUISep 16 23:19
twitterVista 8 will come out with some sort of hype price, you will be wasting your money if you seek it out rather than a fire sale 7 or Vista modelSep 16 23:19
sebsebsebtwitter: fire sale 7 or Vista model what you mean?Sep 16 23:20
sebsebsebno I think Vista 8 will come outSep 16 23:20
sebsebsebandSep 16 23:20
sebsebsebthe OEM's will have loads of Windows 8 deals, for not that muchSep 16 23:20
sebsebsebto begin withSep 16 23:20
sebsebsebalso I think 8 is probably best with a touch screen reallySep 16 23:20
twitterAs soon as Vista 8 hits the market, Vista 7 crippled hardware will be worthless.Sep 16 23:20
sebsebsebapparnatly 8 will run on loads of stuff though,  net books, tablets, lap tops, desktopsSep 16 23:21
twitterretailers will dump it like last year's hamburgers Sep 16 23:21
sebsebsebdump what,  7?Sep 16 23:21
twitterthe same stupid things were said of Vista and Vista 7 but it never ran on anything.Sep 16 23:21
_GoblinThe one thing I'll say about what Ive seen so far...... Since they've had difficulty getting people from XP to 7.....I cannot see anything about Windows 8 which will have enterprise even remotely interested......Sep 16 23:21
twitterretailers will dump any and all computers with Vista 7 just as soon as Vista 8 is launched.Sep 16 23:22
sebsebseb_Goblin: yep WIndows 8 needs to be a XP killerSep 16 23:22
sebsebsebor it's a failureSep 16 23:22
sebsebsebsimple as that reallySep 16 23:22
sebsebsebmost of the worlds computers that are  still being used at the time, need to be running 8,  or it's a failureSep 16 23:22
sebsebsebreallySep 16 23:22
sebsebsebor maybe nearly most, but you know hardly any XP still being usedSep 16 23:22
twitterVista has failed twice.  What's changed?Sep 16 23:22
twitterXP is still king for legacy desktops.Sep 16 23:23
sebsebseb8 is meant to be a XP killer for many people,  and if it's not yep Micrsooft have failed, and like I said to my little brother earlier, Apple Mac's will become much more popular, but also  Desktop Linux here and thereSep 16 23:23
twitterMicrosoft has failedSep 16 23:23
sebsebsebI don't think many people will be off to the shop to buy WIndows 8 espesailySep 16 23:23
sebsebseb,but yes it will be pre installed on most of the new computersSep 16 23:23
twitterOSX, gnu/linux, android, chrome OS.  all of these things are better and easier than Vista XSep 16 23:24
sebsebsebthing is a lot of computers will still be working by then, that have XP running ok on themSep 16 23:24
_Goblinwell they have 12 months to wait....Sep 16 23:24
sebsebsebhowever come 2014Sep 16 23:24
sebsebsebwhen XP runs out of it's extended supportSep 16 23:24
twitterMicrosoft will implode before then.Sep 16 23:24
_Goblinadd to that baking time, where MS fixes the things they should have done for release....its going to be 2 years before its even ready.Sep 16 23:24
sebsebsebwell my little brother thought, that's when 8 would get popular, but I said to him, well no since there will be another one by thenSep 16 23:24
sebsebseb_Goblin: some people only get a new version of Windows when  at least SP1 has come outSep 16 23:25
_GoblinApple and Goog won't stand still.....and will have very mature products by the time 8 flops onto the scene.Sep 16 23:25
twitterApple, Google and gnu/linux already have mature products...Sep 16 23:25
_Goblinyep....Sep 16 23:25
_Goblinhence my use of the word "very"Sep 16 23:25
_Goblinmature now..... "very" in the future.Sep 16 23:26
twittergnu/linux has been very mature for a decadeSep 16 23:26
MinceRsebsebseb: funny. (the video)Sep 16 23:26
twitterbblSep 16 23:26
sebsebsebMinceR: yep seems so :)Sep 16 23:26
sebsebsebMinceR: ,but only like a bit over three minutes inSep 16 23:27
sebsebsebanyway looks like it's Linux really?Sep 16 23:27
sebsebsebsince the compiz effect?Sep 16 23:27
_Goblintwitter: I was talking Android.Sep 16 23:27
MinceRsebsebseb: my first clue was the wobbly windows effectSep 16 23:29
sebsebsebMinceR: yep same for meSep 16 23:30
sebsebsebMinceR: altough if look cloesly enough on the page as well it does say JULINUX videoSep 16 23:31
sebsebsebwhich is probably also a made up distribuitonSep 16 23:31
MinceRthere's the download linkSep 16 23:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Congresswoman Zoe Lofgren (D-CA): Protect IP provisions are a mess https://eff.org/r.C7f #pipa #copyfightSep 16 23:42
TechrightsBot-trTitle: US Rep: Copyright has actually been an "impediment" to rightsholders .::. Size~: 34.1 KBSep 16 23:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] it has been quite a while since I've looked at hardware prices. /me thinks a new machine may be in orderSep 16 23:47
schestowitz[23:16] <twitter> Schestowitz is right.  There's no reason to even talk about Vista part 3.Sep 16 23:49
schestowitzno blog about itSep 16 23:49
schestowitznothing till 2013, ifat allSep 16 23:49
schestowitze already have a wiki page about itSep 16 23:49
schestowitz5 years of vapourwar (*they started mentioning vista 8 in 2008)Sep 16 23:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @fairvotewrc Democracy Cafe, part of !DemocracyWeek: @fairvotewrc, #CAPP and First Unitarian Church, tonight 7:00pm in Kitchener, ON ...Sep 16 23:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Why Twitter doesn’t care what your real name is — (GigaOm): http://bit.ly/nrVAXOSep 16 23:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Fave part of the Microsoft BUILD party: being accosted for wearing a Camel Perl Shirt: "Dude, I don't write scripts, I COMPILE!"Sep 16 23:51
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schestowitzI see that once you brought it up sebsebseb turned it into bubblefsck in the logsSep 16 23:51
sebsebsebschestowitz: What?Sep 16 23:52
sebsebsebschestowitz: What you on about?Sep 16 23:52
schestowitzfelt like /.Sep 16 23:52
schestowitzimaginary products with no imminent release don't matter Sep 16 23:52
schestowitzThese are distractionsSep 16 23:52
schestowitzfor people like DrPizza to confuse people and talk about stuff that doesn't existSep 16 23:53
sebsebsebwhat you on about WIndows 8? and what did you mean by bubblefsck?Sep 16 23:53
schestowitzInstead of Linux, Android, WebOS...Sep 16 23:53
DrPizzalolSep 16 23:53
schestowitzMicrosoft BobSep 16 23:53
schestowitzbrbSep 16 23:53
DrPizzaI'm sure Win8 will materialize before linux on the desktopSep 16 23:55
MinceRwhat, m$ has a time machine?Sep 16 23:55
MinceRor you'll let them use yours?Sep 16 23:55
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84149206Sep 16 23:55
TechrightsBot-tr@Qubit ArkHive (qubitarkhive)'s status on Friday, 16-Sep-11 21:41:05 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz - The war is onSep 16 23:55
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84149770Sep 16 23:55
TechrightsBot-tr@Qubit ArkHive (qubitarkhive)'s status on Friday, 16-Sep-11 22:12:12 UTC - Identi.ca: @schestowitz you can fix this by unbanning and making goblin apologizeSep 16 23:55
schestowitzHehSep 16 23:55
MinceRlolSep 16 23:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] How can you tell an extroverted software engineer? he is stares at YOUR shoes...Sep 16 23:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] #Leafs are in training camp! The Game is about to start. Forget that sucky #football & #basketball, #hockey is #thesportSep 16 23:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Oracle further commercializes MySQL database | (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/nTq1TDSep 16 23:56
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schestowitzmaybe he'll launch another techrights antagonism siteSep 16 23:56
schestowitzwe already have a few...Sep 16 23:56
DrPizza"m$", christ you're childish.Sep 16 23:56
MinceRschestowitz: oh noes, he'll call you "communist"!Sep 16 23:56
schestowitzthe $ is like a "s", kidSep 16 23:56
MinceRDrPizza: you don't have to visitSep 16 23:56
schestowitzDrekPizza: Sep 16 23:57
schestowitz:-)Sep 16 23:57
schestowitzLet's all be adultSep 16 23:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] RT @brashley46 RT @gillianshaw: Advocates, politicians campaign against Conservatives' proposed 'snooping law' http://ow.ly/6wwnW #ND ...Sep 16 23:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Virtualization: Microsoft cracks live VM migration problem (Network World): http://bit.ly/nt93rZSep 16 23:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[appelond/@appelond] I did some cleaning up with my #OpenSource homepage http://appelond.appelon.net and some color changing #CSS3 #Joomla #HTML5Sep 16 23:57
schestowitzMinceR: so anywaySep 16 23:57
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schestowitzI reckon he'll just obsesess over this rejectionSep 16 23:58
schestowitzBTW, it surprised me that he was bannedSep 16 23:58
schestowitzI was about to write to him and i didn't auto-completeSep 16 23:58
MinceR:>Sep 16 23:58
schestowitzsay hi befoee it's 00:00Sep 16 23:58
schestowitzThen there's a cutoffSep 16 23:58
schestowitzand he needs to wait anorher day to  read the logSep 16 23:58
schestowitzhi brandonSep 16 23:59
MinceRif this keeps up, we'll run out of trolls and we'll have no noise :>Sep 16 23:59
schestowitzjust checksum-anulled network noiseSep 16 23:59
schestowitzannulled Sep 16 23:59

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