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DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UOL_a7uZLAU&feature=relatedNov 01 00:01
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Bill Maher - Occupy Wall Street       - YouTube .::. Size~: 94.89 KBNov 01 00:01
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84813128Nov 01 00:02
TechrightsBot-tr@Libreleaks.org (libreleaks)'s status on Monday, 31-Oct-11 23:49:25 UTC - Identi.ca: ♺ @inscius: RT @schestowitz Corporations are not people [IMG] http://ur1.ca/5idtvNov 01 00:02
DaemonFCwhy the hell does Jabber.org keep booting me?Nov 01 00:03
DaemonFCit won't let me log in for half an hour then it's fine again for a whileNov 01 00:03
TechrightsBot-tr@: Nov 01 00:03
DaemonFCIs there a stable XMPP server?Nov 01 00:03
DaemonFCYou'd think the official one would be, right?Nov 01 00:03
DaemonFCwell, this bitesNov 01 00:08
DaemonFCWindows Live Messenger is more reliable than thisNov 01 00:08
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XFaCEDaemonFC:Nov 01 00:09
XFaCE!google jabber hot-chilliNov 01 00:09
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Jabber/XMPP » Hot-Chilli | http://www.hot-chilli.net/jabber/Nov 01 00:09
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - jabber.hot-chilli.net | http://jabber.hot-chilli.net/Nov 01 00:09
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Jabber.hot-chilli.net - XMPP Wiki | http://wiki.xmpp.org/web/Jabber.hot-chilli.netNov 01 00:09
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Jabber/XMPP Server List | http://www.jabberes.org/servers/Nov 01 00:09
DaemonFCand of course Facebook XMPP doesn't allow federationNov 01 00:09
DaemonFCthey only want to use the protocol, not be interoperable with other serversNov 01 00:09
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gqbZXEg9wbI&feature=relatedNov 01 00:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Bill Maher - New Rules - Phony Maroni       - YouTube .::. Size~: 87.21 KBNov 01 00:13
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=62Y5uHcD_Ko&feature=relatedNov 01 00:17
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Bill Maher - The Word For Republicans These Days Is...       - YouTube .::. Size~: 101.25 KBNov 01 00:17
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DaemonFC1m 4s:Nov 01 00:56
DaemonFC8 Heavy Gunner and 12 Rifleman were deployed.Nov 01 00:56
DaemonFC1m 15s:Nov 01 00:56
DaemonFCA Shaped Charge exploded, killing 18 units.Nov 01 00:56
DaemonFCsweetNov 01 00:56
DaemonFChe deployed them right on top of a mineNov 01 00:56
schestowitzdoesn't sound so 'sweet'Nov 01 00:59
DaemonFCit i when I'm the one being attackedNov 01 01:00
DaemonFC:)Nov 01 01:00
DaemonFCand he deploys his units on top of one of MY minesNov 01 01:00
DaemonFCin that case it is very "sweet"Nov 01 01:00
schestowitzyou must be into wargames, colonel famrrerNov 01 01:00
DaemonFCSergeant MajorNov 01 01:00
DaemonFCcurrentlyNov 01 01:01
DaemonFC:)Nov 01 01:01
DaemonFCI need to upgrade my mine factoryNov 01 01:02
DaemonFCI can still make 6 more mines if I max it outNov 01 01:02
DaemonFCthese things do pretty well Nov 01 01:03
DaemonFCthey're cheap to make once you have the factory upgraded Nov 01 01:03
DaemonFCI just beamed in and blew up his war factoryNov 01 01:06
DaemonFCit won't make any more tanks until he fixes itNov 01 01:07
DaemonFCless resistance when I go back later to attackNov 01 01:07
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prurigrohey all, anyone around to hear an idea?Nov 01 07:03
msb__Sure, are you itching to talk about it?Nov 01 07:10
msb__I don't know where everyone went for the last six hours.Nov 01 07:11
msb__prurigro: Hello!Nov 01 07:11
schestowitzhey, prurigroNov 01 08:15
schestowitzApple's iPhone 4S runs out of power too soon, some users say http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_19234280Nov 01 08:35
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Apple's iPhone 4S runs out of power too soon, some users say - San Jose Mercury News .::. Size~: 79.55 KBNov 01 08:35
schestowitzAl Debarge has a new album, first one in 16 years. It is actually surprisingly good and has 2 Grammy nominations. Parts of it are available (promotional) in Youtube..Nov 01 08:40
schestowitz> Second chance is really good song...Nov 01 09:03
schestowitzIt is...Nov 01 09:03
schestowitzIdentica is still broken todayNov 01 09:03
schestowitzApple's iPhone 4S runs out of power too soon, some users say http://www.mercurynews.com/business/ci_19234280 #appleNov 01 09:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Apple's iPhone 4S runs out of power too soon, some users say - San Jose Mercury News .::. Size~: 79.5 KBNov 01 09:04
schestowitzThe Humble Voxatron Debut http://www.humblebundle.com/ another chance for #gnu #linux users show generosity and have fun.Nov 01 09:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Humble Voxatron Debut (pay what you want and help charity) .::. Size~: 110.89 KBNov 01 09:04
schestowitz#BeagleBone Runs #Linux http://www.pcworld.com/article/242863/new_89_opensource_hardware_runs_full_linux_os.html #embeddedNov 01 09:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: New $89 Open-source Hardware Runs Full Linux OS | PCWorld .::. Size~: 87.9 KBNov 01 09:04
schestowitz"There's a lot to like about Mandriva 2011.0." http://www.techquark.com/2011/10/mandriva-linux-20110.html #Mandriva #linuxNov 01 09:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Mandriva Linux 2011.0 ~ Tech Guru .::. Size~: 106.44 KBNov 01 09:04
schestowitz"For Windows 7 that same kind of PC is pretty slow, but for Linux it snaps right along." http://is.gd/TlsshN #gnu #linuxNov 01 09:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: BMC Communities: Blog: Adventures in Linux: Trying New Things: Ubuntu 11.10 Made Me Do It. .::. Size~: 146.2 KBNov 01 09:04
schestowitzShuttleworth Misses the Point Yet Again http://jeffhoogland.blogspot.com/2011/10/shuttleworth-misses-point-yet-again.html he wore all whiteNov 01 09:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Thoughts on Technology: Shuttleworth Misses the Point Yet Again .::. Size~: 64.27 KBNov 01 09:04
schestowitzThanks Kubuntu and Canonical! http://is.gd/TZVdD8 #Kubuntu is very good.Nov 01 09:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Thanks Kubuntu and Canonical! « Bangarang – a media player .::. Size~: 43.29 KBNov 01 09:04
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schestowitzhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=2ZcAzkWhw0QNov 01 09:12
TechrightsBot-trTitle: El Debarge is out of jail       - YouTube .::. Size~: 108.97 KBNov 01 09:12
schestowitzI didn't even know he was even _in_ jailNov 01 09:12
schestowitzDrug issues like his brothersNov 01 09:12
schestowitzQnection acquires LinuxForum.com http://lxer.com/module/newswire/view/157603/index.htmlI #linuxNov 01 09:38
TechrightsBot-trTitle: LXer: IQnection acquires LinuxForum.com .::. Size~: 13.89 KBNov 01 09:38
schestowitzMark Shuttleworth said some stuff, the journalists all blinked, published.  #SteveofLinux - only without all those #swpats "thermonuclear" warsNov 01 09:40
iophkWhat stuff did he say?  Was it the remark about users being "too cool" for Unity?  Technically that's an ad hominem response and shows he's out of reason.Nov 01 09:51
schestowitzIt reminds me of Jobs fluff talkNov 01 09:57
schestowitz"shiny.. magic.. amazing"Nov 01 09:57
schestowitzI see his followers using the same wordsNov 01 09:58
schestowitzA mate who phoned me last night quotes some manager who drew inspiration from Dean JobsNov 01 09:58
schestowitzAnd started talking in this immature language tooNov 01 09:58
iophkYeah but those power users that Shuttleworth is deriding are the very people that have been carrying Ubuntu for him all these years.  Nov 01 09:58
schestowitz"amazing".... you know those words. I noticed that jono too uses some of those adjectives sometimes -- the same as Mark'sNov 01 09:58
schestowitzGoogle likes to make its spyware also look like fun toysNov 01 09:59
schestowitzLike alll those colourful logoNov 01 09:59
schestowitzLikes like "Simon" -- the Chrome logoNov 01 09:59
schestowitziophk: right.Nov 01 09:59
schestowitzBut not ot's mono and banshee and stuffNov 01 09:59
schestowitzPoliticis not allowed in Ubuntu ForumaNov 01 09:59
schestowitzLike issues related to UEFINov 01 10:00
schestowitzWhat I don't like it that Canonical plays along with itNov 01 10:00
schestowitzLike saying it's UEFI-readyNov 01 10:00
schestowitzDSpitting in the face of Free(dom) soiftwareNov 01 10:00
schestowitzTiVoising UbuntuNov 01 10:00
iophkThat will only get it shut out of dual booting and lose a good portion of its current desktop position.Nov 01 10:00
schestowitzSam Dean isn beign an utter cockNov 01 10:04
schestowitzhttp://ostatic.com/blog/microsoft-attorney-expands-on-the-companys-android-position?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ostatic+%28OStatic%29Nov 01 10:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Microsoft Attorney Expands On the Company's Android Position .::. Size~: 38.39 KBNov 01 10:04
schestowitzNo wodner I dumped him from my RSS feedNov 01 10:04
schestowitz"Like it or not, Google is going to have tolerate patent and IP battles related to Android for the foreseeable future. "Nov 01 10:04
schestowitzOnce again taking MS' sideNov 01 10:04
schestowitzin a 'FOSS' blogNov 01 10:04
schestowitzI'd rather just ignore himNov 01 10:04
iophkUbuntu lost position relative to Fedora due to Mono.  This thing with Unity and Gnome 3 is sending many people looking.  Fortunately for Shuttle worth, many have found Xubuntu.Nov 01 10:05
iophkGoogle needs to fight back about the patent nonsense some time.  Same for it's Android-using partners.Nov 01 10:06
schestowitzand then this http://ostatic.com/blog/canonical-biting-off-more-than-it-can-chew-with-ubuntu?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+ostatic+%28OStatic%29Nov 01 10:07
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Canonical: Biting Off More Than it Can Chew with Ubuntu? .::. Size~: 40.98 KBNov 01 10:07
schestowitziophk: but fight what?Nov 01 10:07
schestowitzFAT patentsNov 01 10:07
schestowitzOr what?Nov 01 10:07
schestowitzIf it's done secretly, it's an extortionNov 01 10:07
schestowitzAnd the legal system's guardians need to step inNov 01 10:08
schestowitzMS runs a PR campaign to normalise crimeNov 01 10:08
schestowitzAnd people fall for this BSNov 01 10:08
iophkFight against allowing software patents at all.  Otherwise it is death by a thousand patent trolls.Nov 01 10:08
iophkAlso RICO should be brought in against MS methods.Nov 01 10:08
schestowitzPatent trolls usualyl name patentsNov 01 10:09
schestowitzUnless it's an extortion racket like IVNov 01 10:09
iophkThe small spin-off companies are disposable, so they can name the patent.Nov 01 10:09
schestowitzBut coming from the nation that allow corrupt military contractors to ruin the whole naiton, I don't expect much to be doneNov 01 10:09
iophkIV probably expects to be trolling for a while, same for M$Nov 01 10:10
schestowitzWhent he crooks dot heir thing, they get rich, wich in turn gives them power over government, so they take it on a leashNov 01 10:10
schestowitz#GoldmanSachs Sued By Hedge Fund For Knowingly Selling Toxic Mortgage-Backed Investments http://is.gd/IuB9Y6 #fraudNov 01 10:13
schestowitzAnother exampleNov 01 10:13
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Goldman Sachs Sued By Hedge Fund For Knowingly Selling Toxic Mortgage-Backed Investments .::. Size~: 312.35 KBNov 01 10:13
schestowitzCrimeNov 01 10:13
schestowitzBut too much influence in governmentNov 01 10:13
schestowitzThus no actionNov 01 10:13
schestowitzSell "shitty" loans (their word)Nov 01 10:13
schestowitzKnowing they can foreclose the houses and the government will force all Americans to cover up the lossesNov 01 10:14
schestowitzIOW, looting the public by cheating them wquite knowinglyNov 01 10:14
iophkIt was (is) banditry of sortsNov 01 10:14
schestowitzNo person put in jail for this, just given bigger bonusesNov 01 10:14
iophkThere's no recession on Wall Street if one looks at the salaries and bonuses.Nov 01 10:14
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schestowitzIf they control the economy to an extent, why inflict a recession on themselves?Nov 01 10:17
schestowitzhttp://www.readwriteweb.com/mobile/2011/10/mobius-accelerates-mobile-html.phpNov 01 10:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle: MobiUs Accelerates Mobile HTML5 Development, Aims to Kill Mobile Flash .::. Size~: 43.96 KBNov 01 10:18
schestowitzI think Mac Asay works for a company that does something similarNov 01 10:18
schestowitzhttp://twitter.com/WPDComm/status/131074963821178880Nov 01 10:29
TechrightsBot-tr@WPDComm: Westford Public Schools cancelled for Tuesday, November 1st.Nov 01 10:29
schestowitzCaution about latest spin from Microsoft lobbyists. They try to portray Google as a patents bully.Nov 01 10:32
schestowitzWhen people speak of their products in terms like "Cool", "Magic", "Amazing" etc. they don't sell technology but mere perception.Nov 01 10:34
schestowitz"How sharp is the picture on this TV set?" vs. "What will my friends think about this TV set?" Technical vs. perceptual.Nov 01 10:36
schestowitzNever say die: why HP should open up #webOS instead of killing it http://is.gd/OQxPkq things went wrong when Hurd was oustedNov 01 10:49
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Never say die: why HP should open up webOS instead of killing it .::. Size~: 36.28 KBNov 01 10:49
schestowitzI think identca is seriously negl;ectedNov 01 10:49
schestowitzbeen almost a week and the API is still borkedNov 01 10:49
iophkI neglect it. ;)Nov 01 10:49
schestowitzAnd I heard some rumours it was shutting downNov 01 10:50
schestowitzAlthough it's hard to see whyNov 01 10:50
iophkThe TouchPad would have been popular, I do not understand the motives behind cancelling Nov 01 10:51
schestowitzLeo got ejectedNov 01 10:51
schestowitzmaybe they realise they had dynamite as a CEONov 01 10:52
iophkNot soon enough.Nov 01 10:52
schestowitzHe needs to go back to his apotheker to get some medsNov 01 10:52
schestowitzHurd was OKNov 01 10:53
schestowitzcursed Vista, bought PalmNov 01 10:53
schestowitzPlanned WebOS as de facto OSNov 01 10:53
schestowitzalso worked on a Ubuntu flavourNov 01 10:53
schestowitzPeople don't remember itNov 01 10:53
schestowitzIt was called me or miNov 01 10:53
schestowitzand Microsoft put that in its SEC filing under threatsNov 01 10:53
schestowitzAlong with Mobblin and stuff (Intel), which is managed to kill using the Elop MoleNov 01 10:54
schestowitz*it,  *moblinNov 01 10:54
schestowitzDo you reckon that Katherine Noyes actually wrote this headline or was it the editor? http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/73626.htmlNov 01 10:55
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Linux News: Community: Android's Biggest Fan Is Microsoft, of Course .::. Size~: 72.04 KBNov 01 10:55
schestowitzRackteering is not a jokeNov 01 10:55
schestowitzand Microsoft is not a "fan"Nov 01 10:55
Diablo-D3I thought apple was android's biggest fan?Nov 01 10:56
schestowitzHehNov 01 10:57
schestowitzAndroid puts Steve near the CPU for coolingNov 01 10:57
schestowitzBiggest fanNov 01 10:57
schestowitz#LinuxFromScratch 7.0 is Out http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Linux-From-Scratch-Version-7-0-released-136886Nov 01 11:01
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schestowitzCanonica;/Ubuntu draws too much flak, but also gets too much publicity. The latter cause the former.Nov 01 11:04
schestowitz*CausesNov 01 11:04
schestowitzRuby prepares for proprietary derivatives http://is.gd/A4xfFyNov 01 11:09
schestowitzhttp://is.gd/CEG0uX Nov 01 11:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ruby project ditches GPL in favour of BSD | thinq_ .::. Size~: 26.12 KBNov 01 11:09
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Ruby 1.9.3 arrives with licence change - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 40.61 KBNov 01 11:09
schestowitzNew FUDNov 01 11:22
schestowitzNo evidence: http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/dan-wagner/open-source-software-the-_b_1067181.htmlNov 01 11:22
schestowitzFrom "Entrepreneur, investor and CEO"Nov 01 11:22
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Dan Wagner: Open Source Software: The Silent Threat at the Heart of the Cyber Security Crisis .::. Size~: 168.13 KBNov 01 11:22
schestowitzDoesn'\t say of whatNov 01 11:22
schestowitzSome dude says... hey, it's open source, thus not secureNov 01 11:22
schestowitzproof? None.Nov 01 11:22
iophkSame old M$ talking points, just a new voice.Nov 01 11:23
schestowitzHuff and PuffNov 01 11:23
iophkIt's a variation of the promotion of security by obscurity fallacylNov 01 11:23
schestowitzMicrosoft Skype Uses DMCA To Remove Reverse-Engineered Code http://www.tomsguide.com/us/skype-voip-phone-open-source-dmca,news-13049.htmlNov 01 11:24
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Skype Uses DMCA To Remove Reverse-Engineered Code .::. Size~: 102.19 KBNov 01 11:24
schestowitzchilling effectNov 01 11:25
iophkThat's the goal.  Skype is about lock-in.Nov 01 11:25
schestowitzGates-funded Seattle Times goes batting for Gates PR againNov 01 11:26
schestowitzhttp://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2016658843_apwacheaptextbooks1stldwritethru.htmlNov 01 11:26
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Local News | Students could save millions on open source texts      | Seattle Times Newspaper .::. Size~: 68.76 KBNov 01 11:26
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schestowitzGates and Ilk try to embrace the term "open source"Nov 01 11:27
schestowitzAin;t no PR chagrin high enoughNov 01 11:27
iophkEspecially when it is really referring to "open access"Nov 01 11:27
schestowitzyeahNov 01 11:28
schestowitzI noticed thatNov 01 11:28
iophkSaturate, Diffuse, Confuse.Nov 01 11:29
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wikileaks/status/131058507486212096Nov 01 11:30
TechrightsBot-tr@x7o: Google's new motto: Don't be evil. We're watching you.Nov 01 11:30
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schestowitzSo now Gates is "open source"Nov 01 11:32
schestowitzThey did the same with Khan AcademyNov 01 11:32
schestowitzTo whitewash both him and themNov 01 11:32
schestowitzThe "open source" label misuseNov 01 11:32
schestowitzhttp://tinyurl.com/3lwqh84Nov 01 11:35
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Forget the Hype: 10 Defects of Apple iPhone 4S That You Overlooked - International Business Times .::. Size~: 103.41 KBNov 01 11:35
schestowitzidentica still up and down todayNov 01 11:35
schestowitzmaybe they lost some physical resources, they had a server issueNov 01 11:35
schestowitzBut either way it takes them ages to return online and even then it's quite brokenNov 01 11:35
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schestowitzLinks 1/11/2011: OpenMAMA, Humble Voxatron Bundle http://techrights.org/2011/11/01/openmama/ #techrightsNov 01 12:05
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Links 1/11/2011: OpenMAMA, Humble Voxatron Bundle | Techrights .::. Size~: 112.65 KBNov 01 12:05
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amarsh04http://www.users.on.net/~arthur.marsh/etsa-utilities-takes-streetlight-fault-reporting-to-cloud.htmlNov 01 13:47
TechrightsBot-trTitle: ETSA takes streetlight fault reporting to Cloud .::. Size~: 3.93 KBNov 01 13:47
amarsh04I had previously asked ETSA Utilities to consider using fixmystreet.org and openstreetmap /-:Nov 01 13:56
iophkWhat was their response to the request to use fixmystreet?Nov 01 14:05
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amarsh04they said that they would look at itNov 01 14:25
DaemonFCOpera Next and Chromium have improved with this month's Catalyst buildNov 01 14:40
DaemonFCWebGL isn't as crashy and there are less rendering glitches as they draw the pages using OpenGLNov 01 14:40
DaemonFCkwin doesn't drop below 60 fpsNov 01 14:40
DaemonFCMy Oblivion install in Wine got fasterNov 01 14:41
DaemonFCand Fallout 3 no longer has rendering issues that make it unplayableNov 01 14:41
DaemonFCyay!Nov 01 14:41
amarsh04I'm still waiting on more radeon-related fixes in the post-3.1.0 kernel gitNov 01 14:41
DaemonFCDalek jono, you are ordered to take a hot pokey thingy to whoever maintains fglrx-updatesNov 01 14:41
DaemonFCOBEY!!Nov 01 14:41
DaemonFCOBEY!!!Nov 01 14:42
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DaemonFChttp://blog.linuxmint.com/?p=1818Nov 01 14:54
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Linux Mint Blog  » Blog Archive   » Linux Mint Debian 201109 (Gnome & Xfce) released! .::. Size~: 134.84 KBNov 01 14:54
DaemonFC"To guarantee compatibility with non-PAE processors, the 32-bit versions of Linux Mint Debian come with a 486 kernel by default. This kernel does not support SMP, and as a consequence is only able to detect one core and one CPU. If your CPU has multiple cores, or if you have more than one CPU, simply install the 686-PAE kernel and reboot your computer."Nov 01 14:54
DaemonFClolNov 01 14:54
DaemonFCI like how Linux Mint lists every donation on their blog so spammers can kick in small donations to get advertisedNov 01 14:58
DaemonFC"foobar2000 v1.1.9 beta 1 has been released. This version adds long-awaited tagging support for the WAV file format."Nov 01 15:05
DaemonFCHow do you tag a WAV file?Nov 01 15:05
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DaemonFCI like what Bill Maher said about Occupy OaklandNov 01 15:16
DaemonFC"It's Oakland, they should be glad anyone wants to occupy it"Nov 01 15:16
DaemonFC""There is going to be a crowd that is just too cool to use something that looks really slick and there is nothing we can do for them," Shuttleworth said. "Fortunately in Ubuntu there are tons of options and lots of choice and ways to skin the cat.""Nov 01 15:18
DaemonFCI wonder if he's actually used KDE or XFCE before taking swipes at themNov 01 15:18
DaemonFCbesides, "looking slick and cool" for 5 minutes in between window manager crashes and making sure applications that use the system tray are broken irreparably is all Unity is good forNov 01 15:19
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schestowitzIt's a beautiful day here, but #Identica is still barely working and I'm not the only one growing impatient. Evan has work to do...Nov 01 15:56
iophkEvan?Nov 01 15:57
schestowitzHe founded and runs the siteNov 01 15:57
iophkOk.Nov 01 15:57
schestowitzIt's run almost only by himNov 01 15:57
schestowitzHe's based in Canada, nice guyNov 01 15:58
schestowitzThe most prolific denter abandoned the platform and then sort of mocked it a bitNov 01 15:58
schestowitzI'm still one of those sticking up to him despite the chaos, but not sure how much longer I can...Nov 01 15:59
schestowitzMany people have fled the siteNov 01 15:59
schestowitzEven before the technical issuesNov 01 15:59
iophkThe usefulness of microblogging still eludes me.Nov 01 15:59
schestowitzAnd you are on the right side of thignsNov 01 15:59
schestowitzIt's not too usefulNov 01 16:00
schestowitzAnd it's veruy dependent on link shortenersNov 01 16:00
iophkhttp://www.inquisitr.com/22264/url-shorteners-the-herpes-of-the-web/Nov 01 16:00
schestowitzSo even those links which are the essence of micro-blogging (good for phone access) are going to expire in the futureNov 01 16:00
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schestowitzsome sites that are blogsl, like 451 Group, use link shortenersNov 01 16:00
schestowitzThey don't expand theseNov 01 16:01
zoobabtwitter has already a capNov 01 16:02
zoobabI was using i5.be, it diedNov 01 16:02
iophkAnd when it died, all the links are gone.Nov 01 16:02
schestowitzzoobab: I think fewer people read twitter nowNov 01 16:03
schestowitzPeople still participate thoughNov 01 16:03
amarsh04I like the fact that eff.org runs its own link shortenerNov 01 16:03
schestowitziophk: then it's just bits of random work lingoNov 01 16:03
schestowitz*wordNov 01 16:03
schestowitzamarsh04: even wotseNov 01 16:03
schestowitzworseNov 01 16:03
schestowitzless incentive for them to maintain it in the long runNov 01 16:03
schestowitziophk: one caveat:Nov 01 16:04
schestowitzif you get the page title from the linkNov 01 16:04
schestowitzin IRC for example we get thoseNov 01 16:04
schestowitzTHe same goes for academic publications, it's easy to find by titleNov 01 16:04
schestowitzSome people access my papers on my site by just copying and pasting titledNov 01 16:04
schestowitz*titlesNov 01 16:04
zoobabI contacted ur1.ca to have a copy of their DBNov 01 16:04
schestowitzFor articles it works tooNov 01 16:05
schestowitzAnd they have their title mirrored in lots of placeNov 01 16:05
amarsh04I don't depend on link shorteners for any archival purpose (usually I try to grab the entire html file if I save a link)Nov 01 16:05
zoobabhttp://ur1.ca/ur1.ca.txt.gz returns a Sorry, but that ur1 isn't in our database.Nov 01 16:05
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schestowitzThe title might be more important than the direct linkNov 01 16:05
schestowitzDirect links may expire, titles don'tNov 01 16:05
zoobabI made a script to drive a firefox+scrapbookNov 01 16:06
schestowitzamarsh04: I wrote a bot that makes lcal copies, but I no longer run itNov 01 16:06
zoobabso that I can scrap pagesNov 01 16:06
schestowitzone of our IRC bots still does itNov 01 16:06
zoobabwith wget?Nov 01 16:06
schestowitzBut I flush the pages periodically cause disk space fills up fastNov 01 16:06
schestowitzzoobab: yesNov 01 16:06
schestowitzgo to FFII site pre-2005Nov 01 16:06
schestowitzAnd see how many links to the outside actually workNov 01 16:06
zoobabheheNov 01 16:07
schestowitzIt's just history decimated, even just half a decade laterNov 01 16:07
schestowitzsome days ago I renewed the Boycott Novell site registrationNov 01 16:07
schestowitz45 quid for 2 yearsNov 01 16:07
zoobabthere is a need to rewrite archive.org with a decentralised file storeNov 01 16:07
schestowitzmany sites link to itNov 01 16:07
schestowitzzoobab: probably can.. copyright not much of an issue for Web content that's already publicly accessibleNov 01 16:08
amarsh04I wish that universities actually properly archived their own old web site content online e.g. foo.edu/archive/2011/...Nov 01 16:09
schestowitzzoobab: I'm wtiing 4 more posts about patents right nowNov 01 16:09
schestowitzPatents are a hot issue that matter a lot right nowNov 01 16:09
schestowitzWhat FFII does can make or break LinuxNov 01 16:09
schestowitzamarsh04: every 5 years a uni. would contract a new 'web designer'Nov 01 16:09
schestowitzAnd they would flush all the old pagesNov 01 16:09
schestowitzif there is no economic value in themNov 01 16:10
schestowitzOr if being out of date might deter applicantsNov 01 16:10
schestowitzThey're like businessesNov 01 16:10
schestowitzAnd after a while when old staff leaves no body bothers maintaining even the old Web archiesNov 01 16:10
schestowitzManchester University is like this too... they EVEN MOVED domains when two universities mergedNov 01 16:10
amarsh04I like to know what speakers and musicians my old uni had in previous yearsNov 01 16:11
schestowitzA MASSIVE amount of links (maybe millions broke)Nov 01 16:11
schestowitzAnd they didn't keep the old domain goingfNov 01 16:11
amarsh04not that there's much written about when linux.conf.au was held in Adelaide and Alan Cox and Linus Torvalds attendedNov 01 16:11
schestowitzfor copyright reasons the old pages might never see the light of day, eitherNov 01 16:12
schestowitzI can recall writing some manuals for the university sitesNov 01 16:12
schestowitzI still have these somewhereNov 01 16:12
amarsh04that's the idiocy of over restrictive copyright alsoNov 01 16:12
schestowitzLaurel wrote about this..Nov 01 16:12
schestowitzShe cars cause she wrote some scripts for TVNov 01 16:12
schestowitzand she wants to publish these but can'tNov 01 16:12
schestowitzThese were never published and yet she worked very hard on thoseNov 01 16:13
schestowitzIn academia I like how I cajn publish anything that I do, and often one is actively encouraged to do soNov 01 16:13
amarsh04like I couldn't get a picture of my step-daughter and her husband in their costumes for a production of Gilbert & Sullivan's The Mikado apparently because of copyright on the costumes - go figureNov 01 16:13
schestowitzMaybe the Hollywood folks would ssue the CEO of Anonymous !!Nov 01 16:14
amarsh04I liked how in .jp I could take photos in all the museums I visited, just a few items were not to be photographed and some places restricted flash photography, but existing light photos looked better anywayNov 01 16:15
amarsh04there was an article in the news section of animenewsnetwork.com about .jp being pushed towards .us style copyright and others saying that it would lead to an end to doujin works (where people build on each other's works)Nov 01 16:18
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amarsh04here's the link: http://www.animenewsnetwork.com.au/news/2011-10-31/negima-akamatsu-warns-against-changing-japan-copyright-lawNov 01 16:20
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amarsh04back soonNov 01 16:21
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schestowitzNew Zealand’s Software Industry is Against Software Patents http://techrights.org/2011/11/01/lobbyists-and-new-zealand/ #swpatsNov 01 16:31
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schestowitzThe End of SUSE Flavours http://techrights.org/2011/11/01/opensuse-medical-crisis/ #suse #opensuse #novell #linuxNov 01 16:40
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DaemonFCschestowitz, I noticed DuckDuckGo is inheriting Microsoft's censorshipNov 01 16:43
DaemonFCthe results are not terribly different from Bing in some casesNov 01 16:43
schestowitzany examples?Nov 01 16:43
schestowitzBTW, you spoke to its admins, didn't you?Nov 01 16:43
schestowitzDaemonFC: so make screenshots to show itNov 01 16:44
DaemonFCWhen you search for “open source office suite”, Bing deliberately omits references to LibreOffice.  DuckDuckGo does the same. Google links to LibreOffice on the first page. Nov 01 16:44
schestowitzAnd I'd post if it's true :-)Nov 01 16:44
DaemonFChttp://www.bing.com/search?q=open+source+office+suite&first=1&FORM=PQRENov 01 16:44
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DaemonFChttps://duckduckgo.com/?q=open+source+office+suiteNov 01 16:44
schestowitzeww..Nov 01 16:44
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schestowitzDon't link to b0ngNov 01 16:44
DaemonFChttps://encrypted.google.com/search?=fs&q=open+source+office+suiteNov 01 16:44
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schestowitztake screenshotsNov 01 16:44
DaemonFCWhen you search for “open source operating system” on Bing, they sink Linux and Linux distributions. DuckDuckGo does the same. But, Google returns uncensored results. Nov 01 16:44
schestowitzIt is About Patent Wars and Attribution, Not Death http://techrights.org/2011/11/01/steve-jobs-copied-badly/ #apple #swpatsNov 01 16:55
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cubezzzDaemonFC, how about "alternatives to microsoft windows"?Nov 01 17:04
cubezzz"why does windows suck so much"Nov 01 17:05
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cubezzzI have to say I'm not seeing any censorship on bingNov 01 17:06
schestowitzBong does do censorship businessNov 01 17:07
schestowitzSee China for startersNov 01 17:07
cubezzzI'll try DaemonFC's exact phraseNov 01 17:08
cubezzznot that I bother using bing normallyNov 01 17:09
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schestowitzHalf of Britain now owns a smartphone http://www.reghardware.com/2011/11/01/half_of_the_uk_owns_a_smartphone/ It makes everyone half normalNov 01 17:17
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schestowitzse first sentenceNov 01 17:17
schestowitzLinux phones: 70% Market Share in 2012? http://www.androidauthority.com/why-android-could-reach-70-market-share-in-2012-29926/Nov 01 17:17
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XFaCEcubezzz: It;s subtle.  More like gaming then censorship.Nov 01 17:22
XFaCEschestowitz: I want Debian or Trisquel running on a GNU+Linux phone :)Nov 01 17:22
cubezzzland line and I suppose a kobo for meNov 01 17:24
cubezzzby the way...Nov 01 17:32
cubezzzOpenBSD 5.0 was just released, still uses KDE 3.5.10Nov 01 17:33
cubezzzand Gnome 2.XX whatever it isNov 01 17:33
schestowitzXFaCE: you can do thatNov 01 17:34
XFaCEschestowitz: From a vendor. :)Nov 01 17:34
schestowitzyou'd still need all the hardware inc. touchscreen supportedNov 01 17:34
schestowitzand there's little point to it, the resolution and UI are inadequateNov 01 17:34
XFaCEOf course I could do it with time, patience, and reading.Nov 01 17:34
XFaCEI know, it's more of a funny thing to doNov 01 17:35
schestowitzThird quarter figures for U.S. smartphones: HTC (Linux) 6.4 million; Samsung (Linux) 4.9 million; Apple (hypeOS) 4.6 millionNov 01 17:35
schestowitzLinux kicks Apple's arseNov 01 17:35
XFaCEIf I wanted a portable device suitable, that would probably be the PandoraNov 01 17:35
XFaCEschestowitz: What's MS?  100k? less?Nov 01 17:35
schestowitzless i reckonNov 01 17:36
schestowitzmaybe channel-stuffing a bitNov 01 17:36
XFaCE!google openpandoraNov 01 17:36
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - OpenPandora | http://openpandora.org/Nov 01 17:36
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - OpenPandora Home | http://getopenpandora.appspot.com/Nov 01 17:36
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Pandora (console) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pandora_(console)Nov 01 17:36
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Open Pandora - Hands on. In HD. - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D1CaU9jQQJ1oNov 01 17:36
schestowitzThey already gave some to employees to inflate their numbersNov 01 17:36
Kryczekmeaning, some people still buy Windows phonesNov 01 17:36
*Kryczek roflNov 01 17:36
schestowitzmaybe their employers doNov 01 17:37
cubezzzactually OpenBSD has the option of KDE 3.5.10 or 4.4.5Nov 01 17:37
Kryczekerr, sorryNov 01 17:37
schestowitzLike some cultist MBAsNov 01 17:37
Kryczeks/meaning/meanwhileNov 01 17:37
XFaCEschestowitz:  So MS paid for their own phones.  HilariousNov 01 17:37
Kryczektime to put brain to sleepNov 01 17:37
schestowitzWith something adverse... not liking RIM or GoogleNov 01 17:37
XFaCEcubezzz: You are using OpenBSD?Nov 01 17:37
schestowitzXFaCE: yes, they bought from themselvesNov 01 17:37
DaemonFCthey can claim the phones to employees as tax deductionsNov 01 17:37
iophkkryczek: in the US the phone models are tied to carriers and the carriers are tied to geographic regions.  So in any given area there are only limited models to choose from.Nov 01 17:37
cubezzzXFaCE, yes on this box I amNov 01 17:37
DaemonFCmarketing expense Nov 01 17:37
schestowitzLike a shop keeper who makes his wife and son the first customersNov 01 17:38
XFaCEcubezzz: How hard to set up?Nov 01 17:38
Kryczekiophk: so you could be forced to buy a Windows Phone?Nov 01 17:38
schestowitzQAnd then brags about all those "Sales" he made when opening the storeNov 01 17:38
cubezzzXFaCE, it's not hardNov 01 17:38
XFaCEschestowitz: Or a guy watching his own youtube videos over and overNov 01 17:38
schestowitz:-)Nov 01 17:38
iophkkryczek: in princniple, but I am not familiar with the markets there.  You'd have to ask around to assess the risk of that happening.Nov 01 17:38
Kryczekah, maybe it's possible - in that case I wouldn't blame the people in that situationNov 01 17:39
schestowitzor a troll creaying sockpuppets to make a "conversation"Nov 01 17:39
cubezzzpkg_add blah_blahNov 01 17:39
DaemonFChttp://search.slashdot.org/story/11/11/01/1424207/google-maps-to-charge-for-api-usageNov 01 17:39
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KryczekI was laughing at the couple of people I met who strongly believe that Windows Phone 7 will beat the competitionNov 01 17:39
DaemonFCwho didn't see this one coming? :)Nov 01 17:39
schestowitzKryczek: with a legal stickNov 01 17:39
schestowitzMicrosoft already does thatNov 01 17:39
schestowitzObama srokes Jobs' furNov 01 17:39
Kryczekhah yeah, they earn a lot from the Android salesNov 01 17:40
schestowitzand caresses BallmerNov 01 17:40
schestowitzHe should beat up those gangsters :-)Nov 01 17:40
XFaCEcubezzz: What do you use it one?Nov 01 17:40
schestowitzin techbytes we covered wp7 when it was young and mentioned 'fans' of wp7Nov 01 17:40
cubezzzXFaCE, I run one box on OpenBSD, all the rest are various Linux distros and one experimental boxNov 01 17:41
cubezzzthe experimental box is running Plan 9 at the momentNov 01 17:41
DaemonFChttp://news.slashdot.org/story/11/11/01/028212/new-mac-os-trojan-produces-bitcoinsNov 01 17:42
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DaemonFCsomeone is using a Mac trojan to set up a bitcoin farming botnetNov 01 17:42
Kryczeksomeone is being very optimisticNov 01 17:43
XFaCEcubezzz: Would it make sense on a laptop?Nov 01 17:44
cubezzzdependsNov 01 17:44
cubezzzprobably Radeon based would be OKNov 01 17:45
cubezzzsome old chipsets aren't supported, but you can always use the vesa driver Nov 01 17:45
XFaCEcubezzz: Intel GMA?Nov 01 17:45
Kryczekare there drivers with 3D support for nVidia cards under OpenBSD now?Nov 01 17:45
DaemonFCsure, Nvidia's blob Nov 01 17:46
XFaCEcubezzz: Newer I3?Nov 01 17:46
cubezzzI'm not the best person to ask about thatNov 01 17:46
cubezzzI've only really ran openbsd on this one boxNov 01 17:46
XFaCEcubezzz: Thanks for the input you provided thoughNov 01 17:47
KryczekDaemonFC: ah cool - back when I was running OpenBSD as my desktop OS with a brand new GeForce3 Ti500 (dont ask :D ) they had barely started working on FreeBSD and had absolutely no plans of supporting OpenBSDNov 01 17:47
cubezzzIntel is well supported Nov 01 17:47
XFaCEcubezzz: What's the installation procedure like?Nov 01 17:47
Kryczekcubezzz: does your laptop have virtualization extensions?Nov 01 17:47
cubezzzuh, I'm not using a laptopNov 01 17:47
DaemonFCthe BSD people don't implement modern video driver APIsNov 01 17:47
XFaCEcubezzz: I assume it's text-based.Nov 01 17:48
cubezzzXFaCE, yesNov 01 17:48
Kryczekcubezzz: ah sorry, XFaCE Nov 01 17:48
cubezzzit's succinctNov 01 17:48
DaemonFCso they rely heavily on blobs, and Nvidia is the only one that makes a blob for themNov 01 17:48
XFaCEKryczek: Yeah, the Intel V or whatever extensionsNov 01 17:48
DaemonFCso if you're using a BSD without Nvidia+blob, chances are you've got an expensive framebufferNov 01 17:48
XFaCEKryczek: I assume that's what you meanNov 01 17:48
XFaCE!google definition succinctNov 01 17:49
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Succinct - Definition and More from the Free Merriam-Webster ... | http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/succinctNov 01 17:49
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - succinct - definition of succinct by the Free Online Dictionary ... | http://www.thefreedictionary.com/succinctNov 01 17:49
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - succinctly - definition of succinctly by the Free Online Dictionary ... | http://www.thefreedictionary.com/succinctlyNov 01 17:49
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Succinct | Define Succinct at Dictionary.com | http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/succinctNov 01 17:49
cubezzzI actually do run one closed source OSNov 01 17:49
cubezzzAmigaDOS 1.3Nov 01 17:49
cubezzzand uh, I guess VM/SP is closed tooNov 01 17:49
cubezzzso that's two :)Nov 01 17:49
KryczekXFaCE: not Intel vPro (just in case) but Intel VT-x (aka "vmx" in /proc/cpuinfo)Nov 01 17:49
KryczekXFaCE: I run Xen on my Dell Latitude E4310, works like a charm! :)Nov 01 17:50
XFaCEKryczek: Yep, I do have thatNov 01 17:50
cubezzzI'm shooting for low tdpNov 01 17:50
Kryczekthen you could have very-near-native performance with paravirtualized (PV) VMsNov 01 17:51
cubezzzTualatin was pretty decentNov 01 17:51
Kryczekand impressively good performance with PV-on-HVM for other OSs, like the XP I have to run for workNov 01 17:51
Kryczekin that regard it beats VMware Player (at least, dont have Workstation) hands downNov 01 17:52
Kryczekso much that I wonder if there might be something wrong with the VMware Player copy I haveNov 01 17:52
Kryczekwas hogging the disk so much that the rest of the computer would hang every now and then for a couple of secondsNov 01 17:52
XFaCEKryczek: So how does this relate to my questions about OpenBSD? :)Nov 01 17:53
Kryczekwhereas with Xen, PV-on-HVM'd Windows is so unnoticeable I often forget I have it running when I poweroff the PC :DNov 01 17:53
KryczekXFaCE: erm, what was your question about OpenBSD? :PNov 01 17:53
cubezzzthere's no reason why you can't try openbsd on one machineNov 01 17:54
cubezzzin fact, I recommend itNov 01 17:54
XFaCEKryczek: About Intel GMA support...Nov 01 17:54
KryczekXFaCE: if it's would it make sense on a laptop, my answer isNov 01 17:54
KryczekahNov 01 17:54
Kryczekwell, same thingNov 01 17:54
Kryczekdon't bother installing on the bare hardware, you can end up pulling your hairNov 01 17:54
XFaCEcubezzz: It's a Canadian BSD, so there's some national pride here as well. :)Nov 01 17:54
Kryczekwhat you could do however is run XenNov 01 17:55
Kryczekand then put whatever you want on top of thatNov 01 17:55
KryczekOpenBSD and Plan 9 if you want :)Nov 01 17:55
XFaCEschestowitz: Wasn't Xen Microsoft tainted?Nov 01 17:55
XFaCEI thought KVM was all the rage now.Nov 01 17:55
KryczekXFaCE: are you mixing up with Xenix perhaps?Nov 01 17:55
XFaCENope.Nov 01 17:56
cubezzzit's closer to the original Unix tooNov 01 17:56
KryczekI have yet to try KVMNov 01 17:56
Kryczeklast I checked it's not as performant as Xen, yetNov 01 17:56
cubezzzPentium 75 Mhz -> 8 watts Nov 01 17:56
cubezzzUnivac I -> 124.5 Kilowatts :)Nov 01 17:57
XFaCE!google techrights xen microsoftNov 01 17:57
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - How Microsoft 'Bought' Xen to Remove/Reduce Choice ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2009/02/25/xen-spit-it-out-strategy/Nov 01 17:57
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Xen | Techrights | http://techrights.org/category/xen/Nov 01 17:57
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Xen-pocalypse | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/07/10/ian-pratt-simon-crosby-leave/Nov 01 17:57
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Novell's SUSE: Xen Exclusive for Citrix and Microsoft | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2008/05/31/xen-exclusive-novell/Nov 01 17:57
XFaCE!google techrights xen microsoftNov 01 17:58
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - How Microsoft 'Bought' Xen to Remove/Reduce Choice ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2009/02/25/xen-spit-it-out-strategy/Nov 01 17:58
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Xen | Techrights | http://techrights.org/category/xen/Nov 01 17:58
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Xen-pocalypse | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2011/07/10/ian-pratt-simon-crosby-leave/Nov 01 17:58
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Novell's SUSE: Xen Exclusive for Citrix and Microsoft | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2008/05/31/xen-exclusive-novell/Nov 01 17:58
cubezzzMarvell Xscale 600 Mhz -> 0.5 wattNov 01 17:58
cubezzzPentium M was a big improvement on P4's tdpNov 01 18:00
cubezzzCore 2 Duo T9900 was 35 wattsNov 01 18:01
cubezzzpretty good reallyNov 01 18:01
XFaCEKryczek: So installing OpenBSD on this laptop will be a hair-pulling exercise eh?Nov 01 18:03
XFaCEschestowitz: This is hilarious.  The battery saving mode on this Windows laptop, when turned on, is actually more power-consuming than another setting.Nov 01 18:05
XFaCEwowNov 01 18:05
XFaCE"Running Windows 7 so you don't have to."Nov 01 18:06
iophkDid you check the lexicon to see what "saving" translates to in Microserf?Nov 01 18:06
XFaCEI'm the guinea pigNov 01 18:06
XFaCEiophk: Or bloat.Nov 01 18:06
XFaCEiophk: Saving costs?Nov 01 18:07
KryczekXFaCE: it would be much easier to run an OS with better hardware support like Linux, and then virtualize whatever on top of that :)Nov 01 18:07
cubezzzUnix v7 ran in 256K of memory Nov 01 18:07
cubezzznot much bloat thereNov 01 18:07
XFaCEKryczek: UnderstoodNov 01 18:07
XFaCEKryczek: If I get some details worked out, I hopefully soon will beNov 01 18:08
iophkXFaCE: an additional advantage of virtualization is that you can make snapshots and roll back to clean versions.  That is important if you are running the OS that suffers from bitrot.Nov 01 18:09
XFaCEiophk: IntriguingNov 01 18:09
XFaCEI have been using virtualization, but most Vbox testing, nothing major as you (and Kryczek)  have describedNov 01 18:09
cubezzzoops, time to upgrade your OS :)Nov 01 18:09
XFaCEcubezzz: Hell, I would "downgrade" at this point.  Same poison, but at least it takes up less space and resourcesNov 01 18:10
cubezzzthere's nothing wrong with running an older OSNov 01 18:10
XFaCEcubezzz: Of course not, ask Debian Stable usersNov 01 18:11
cubezzzmy original FC1 install still works fineNov 01 18:11
XFaCEbblNov 01 18:14
schestowitzGlimpse Into 11.10 Shell Edition http://blog.pinguyos.com/post/12070429470/glimpse-into-11-10-shell-edition #ubuntuNov 01 18:17
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schestowitz#Fedora 16 Release Candidate 1 Arrives Late http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAwNzc #redhatNov 01 18:22
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DaemonFChttp://img51.imageshack.us/img51/8476/snapshot20d.pngNov 01 18:32
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schestowitzDaemonFC: is this the game you have been gloating about?Nov 01 18:36
DaemonFCyeahNov 01 18:38
DaemonFCI sent a rifleman to have his tanks chase him all over the map while I destroyed his baseNov 01 18:39
DaemonFCthose are actually about a half dozen tanksNov 01 18:39
DaemonFCthey're just lined up to where it only shows oneNov 01 18:39
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schestowitzDaemonFC: sounds like you got some very energetic life thereNov 01 18:47
DaemonFCI was low on suppliesNov 01 18:49
schestowitzI'm inventing some new algos at the moment :-)Nov 01 18:49
DaemonFCso I built a small raiding party and distracted his tanks while they blew up whatever would get me the most oil and metalNov 01 18:49
schestowitzI love it. I get to be paid to code things nobody ever did before...Nov 01 18:49
schestowitzbetter than gamingNov 01 18:49
schestowitzDaemonFC: it looks like simcity meets warcraft IINov 01 18:49
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schestowitzor duneNov 01 18:50
schestowitznot the firstNov 01 18:50
DaemonFCit's like Warcraft or Command And ConquerNov 01 18:50
DaemonFCthe old ones from the 90sNov 01 18:50
schestowitzdid you play dune or were you too young? Man, I feel old.. :-(Nov 01 18:50
DaemonFCbut it is all done in FlashNov 01 18:50
DaemonFCso, yeahNov 01 18:50
DaemonFC:)Nov 01 18:50
schestowitzDid you play C&C?Nov 01 18:50
DaemonFCyesNov 01 18:50
DaemonFCand DuneNov 01 18:50
schestowitzyou were like 8Nov 01 18:50
DaemonFCrightNov 01 18:51
schestowitzI played snooker at 8Nov 01 18:51
schestowitzand alley catNov 01 18:51
DaemonFCI was playing Advanced Dungeons & Dragons games for the Commodore when I was 5Nov 01 18:51
schestowitzalthough it was getting long in the tooth by thenNov 01 18:51
schestowitzalley cat was still a classicNov 01 18:51
DaemonFCI beat the NES version of Final Fantasy when I was 4Nov 01 18:52
DaemonFC:)Nov 01 18:52
schestowitzI still remember my first computer... and the Mac that was at the shop when we went shopping for that DOS-based machineNov 01 18:52
DaemonFCI kicked that Chaos thing's assNov 01 18:52
schestowitz286Nov 01 18:52
schestowitzRemember anti-virus diskettes?Nov 01 18:52
schestowitzno hard drivesNov 01 18:52
schestowitzthey were a luxuryNov 01 18:52
DaemonFCmy dad saw me playing Final Fantasy and started his own game of itNov 01 18:52
DaemonFC:)Nov 01 18:52
schestowitzenter your nati-virus disketteNov 01 18:53
cubezzzcome now, my first XT clone had a hard drive in 1986Nov 01 18:53
schestowitzNow enter the disketter to scanNov 01 18:53
schestowitznow swipe againNov 01 18:53
schestowitzAnd again..Nov 01 18:53
schestowitz*SwapNov 01 18:53
DaemonFCyeah, I remember buying an antivirus shareware diskette at the grocery storeNov 01 18:53
DaemonFCfunNov 01 18:53
cubezzzfor no hard drives you have to go back to the CP/M eraNov 01 18:53
cubezzzor c64Nov 01 18:53
DaemonFCthey'd sell you them for like $1 and then if you wanted to register, it woud be like $30 plus shippingNov 01 18:54
schestowitzmy first HDD was 170 MBNov 01 18:54
schestowitzthen I bought another with 40MBNov 01 18:54
cubezzzeven my amiga 500 had a hd, and I paid $1360 for itNov 01 18:54
cubezzzvery painfulNov 01 18:54
DaemonFCmine was like 60 MBNov 01 18:54
schestowitzAnd I messed with it while the PC was onNov 01 18:54
schestowitzSo it blewNov 01 18:54
DaemonFCthey managed to load DR-DOS and Windows on itNov 01 18:54
DaemonFClolNov 01 18:54
schestowitz170 MB was enough for about 10 MB of PC version of SF2Nov 01 18:54
DaemonFCI deleted Windows because it was taking up 12 MB of spaceNov 01 18:54
DaemonFCand that's room enough for a decent DOS video game with some to spareNov 01 18:55
schestowitzPackard Bell had a startup menu, nice one to accomodateNov 01 18:55
schestowitzAnd Norton COmmander was the most handy appNov 01 18:55
DaemonFCI replaced the hard disk later onNov 01 18:55
DaemonFCwith one that held 300 MBNov 01 18:55
cubezzzall IBM clones... Amiga was more interestingNov 01 18:55
DaemonFCNorton desktop made Windows 3.1 almost usableNov 01 18:55
DaemonFCwell, it was Central Point Desktop at firstNov 01 18:56
schestowitzdid anyone use norton disk doctor (NDD)?Nov 01 18:56
cubezzzyes I used itNov 01 18:56
schestowitz:-DNov 01 18:56
DaemonFCthe Norton Desktop replaced the Program Manager with a more OS/2 like shellNov 01 18:56
DaemonFCmuch much betterNov 01 18:56
cubezzzanyone use Mince? :)Nov 01 18:56
schestowitzI can't remember all its parts nowNov 01 18:56
schestowitzBack then Win was optionalNov 01 18:56
cubezzzbonus points for understanding the referenceNov 01 18:56
schestowitzJust to run some junk sometimesNov 01 18:56
schestowitzDidn't take long to start eitherNov 01 18:56
schestowitzAnd didn't autostartNov 01 18:57
schestowitzUnless you had a reason toNov 01 18:57
schestowitzI had it in PB.EXENov 01 18:57
DaemonFCI always bought the DOS version of stuffNov 01 18:57
schestowitzThe packard bell menuNov 01 18:57
cubezzzbtw, the 8.3 stuff is from RT-11Nov 01 18:57
cubezzznot CP/MNov 01 18:57
DaemonFCit tended to be a lot faster than loading the overhead of WindowsNov 01 18:57
DaemonFCand then the Windows version of that programNov 01 18:57
DaemonFCa good word processor would run in DOS with no problems at allNov 01 18:58
DaemonFCthe same word processor in Windows would take 10 times the resourcesNov 01 18:58
cubezzzyou can see the Microsoft influence in here :-/Nov 01 18:58
DaemonFCthere weren't any real games for WindowsNov 01 18:58
*schestowitz feels 10 againNov 01 18:58
DaemonFCthe closest thing there was, was the Windows Entertainment PackNov 01 18:59
cubezzzwhen I was 10 there were minis and mainframesNov 01 18:59
cubezzzand typewriters :)Nov 01 18:59
DaemonFCChips Challenge and Netscape were probably the only reasons I had Windows installedNov 01 18:59
DaemonFCin the 3.11 eraNov 01 18:59
DaemonFCthere was a very short time when Windows was more usable than desktop unix/linux/whateverNov 01 19:00
DaemonFCit came and went really fastNov 01 19:00
cubezzznahNov 01 19:00
cubezzzlook at SGI's stuff sometimeNov 01 19:00
DaemonFCover a period of about 5 yearsNov 01 19:00
cubezzzit was _way_ better than windowsNov 01 19:00
cubezzzcompare IRIX to windows 2.0 :)Nov 01 19:01
DaemonFCas soon as GNOME and KDE came along, there was no comparisonNov 01 19:01
DaemonFCat least at the desktop shell levelNov 01 19:01
DaemonFCdrivers were still a big problemNov 01 19:01
cubezzzI'd even go as far as AmigaDOS > Windows 2.0Nov 01 19:02
DaemonFCIRIX and Windows 16-bit don't compare at allNov 01 19:02
DaemonFCIRIX was a professional high end operating system with many advanced features, and Windows 16-bit was sold by a bald guy promising ReversiNov 01 19:03
DaemonFCexcept in NebraskaNov 01 19:03
cubezzzmy pointNov 01 19:03
cubezzzand I have first hand experience with Windows 2.0Nov 01 19:04
DaemonFCThe XFS developers are not happy with Linux on ARMNov 01 19:04
DaemonFCback to small stacksNov 01 19:04
DaemonFCon Linux for mips or PowerPC or x86-64, this hasn't been a problem in yearsNov 01 19:04
cubezzzopen software beats closedNov 01 19:06
cubezzzjust like the open internet won in the endNov 01 19:06
DaemonFChttps://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/responsesNov 01 19:25
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DaemonFChttps://wwws.whitehouse.gov/petitions#!/response/promoting-innovation-and-competitive-markets-through-quality-patentsNov 01 19:26
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schestowitzApple is a fruit, Linux is an animal (Penguin/Gnu), Microsoft is... well,Nov 01 19:31
schestowitzlifeless. Apple derives its value from the expectation that people's Nov 01 19:31
schestowitzfriends would be jealous of one's i<something>. When the 'i' stuffNov 01 19:31
schestowitzis demonstrated to be of inferior quality, people will stop paying premiumsNov 01 19:31
schestowitzas it would no longer have the effect of attaining status.Nov 01 19:31
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DaemonFCBallmer is an animalNov 01 19:45
DaemonFCa rabid bald animalNov 01 19:45
DaemonFCscreaming about developers and sweating through his shirtNov 01 19:46
DaemonFCan iDevice is like a pet rockNov 01 19:46
DaemonFCyou can't make it do anything it can't do alreadyNov 01 19:47
DaemonFCschestowitz: Adobe did a very annoying thing with Flash 11.xNov 01 19:52
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DaemonFCthey made it impossible to override the player and force it to use hardware acceleration with open source driversNov 01 19:52
DaemonFCso now a lot of flash games are really CPU intensiveNov 01 19:52
DaemonFCand the only thing you can do is install proprietary video driversNov 01 19:53
prurigrohardware acceleration should reduce CPU usage?Nov 01 19:53
DaemonFCyesNov 01 19:53
DaemonFCif you're using GPU accelerated OpenGL, a lot of work is offloaded onto the GPUNov 01 19:54
DaemonFCwhich is what it is there forNov 01 19:54
sebsebsebDaemonFC: Just read something more about how it will run on tablets and such: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2011/10/ubuntu-heading-to-tvs-smartphones-and-tablets/Nov 01 19:57
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sebsebsebanyway no suprise there since UnityNov 01 19:57
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schestowitzI'll write a couple more blog pists...Nov 01 20:00
schestowitzposts tooNov 01 20:00
XFaCEDaemonFC: Microsoft did the same thing with GDI+.  Windows XP had hardware-accelerated GDI+, then removed it almost completely in Vista/7Nov 01 20:16
DaemonFCnoNov 01 20:19
DaemonFCGDI+ is still thereNov 01 20:19
DaemonFCthey wrapped it in the DWMNov 01 20:19
DaemonFCso older applications still get rendered with the 3d engineNov 01 20:19
DaemonFCeven if you run something from Windows 95 eraNov 01 20:20
schestowitzWatch Out for Microsoft Spin and Daemonisations Over UEFI Misuses http://techrights.org/2011/11/01/uefi-spin/ #uefi #linux #grubNov 01 20:21
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XFaCEExcellent RoyNov 01 20:26
XFaCEThough you could have mention more the Internet Explorer "integration" (chewing gum and duct tape) that almost exterminated web browser competitionNov 01 20:27
XFaCEDaemonFC: Incorrect: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay-gqx18UTMNov 01 20:28
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XFaCEhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ToFgYylqP_UNov 01 20:28
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XFaCEDaemonFC: They may be partially rendered (probably for dragging the window and seeing the contents), but it is most definitely not accelerated.Nov 01 20:33
XFaCEschestowitz: The TRIdentica is downNov 01 20:33
schestowitzhttp://identi.ca/notice/84828225Nov 01 20:33
TechrightsBot-tr@XFaCE (xface)'s status on Tuesday, 01-Nov-11 20:31:19 UTC - Identi.ca: It would be nice to figure what time period of laptops are affected. Anyone know about 2009 #ASUS laptops and #UEFI?Nov 01 20:33
schestowitzI think just new onesNov 01 20:33
XFaCEschestowitz: I think my laptop may have UEFI, but I'm not sureNov 01 20:34
XFaCEschestowitz: You're think Sandy Bridge era?Nov 01 20:34
schestowitzTRIdentica is now down, identica is just broken, stillNov 01 20:34
schestowitzI don't knowNov 01 20:34
schestowitzI thought the viiv one was infectedNov 01 20:34
XFaCE!google wikipedia uefiNov 01 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Unified Extensible Firmware Interface - Wikipedia, the free ... | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_InterfaceNov 01 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Unified EFI Forum - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unified_EFI_ForumNov 01 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - EFI System partition - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EFI_System_partitionNov 01 20:35
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Unified Extensible Firmware Interface - ArchWiki - Wiki - Arch Linux | https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Unified_Extensible_Firmware_InterfaceNov 01 20:35
zoobabthere is a neeNov 01 20:35
XFaCEschestowitz: What's interesting is that I have seen no mention of TPMs in relation to this, which is what was expected to implement Treacherous computingNov 01 20:35
XFaCEschestowitz: Are TPMs involved at all with this scheme?Nov 01 20:36
XFaCEschestowitz: "Microsoft introduced UEFI for x86-64 Windows operating systems with Windows Server 2008 and Windows Vista Service Pack 1, so the 64-bit versions of Windows 7 are compatible with EFI. Microsoft does not implement 32-bit UEFI since vendors did not have any interest in producing native 32-bit UEFI firmware because of the mainstream status of 64-bit computing."Nov 01 20:37
XFaCEschestowitz: "In 2008, more x86-64 systems have adopted UEFI. While many of these systems still allow booting only the BIOS-based OSes via the Compatibility Support Module (CSM) (thus does not appear to the user that the system is UEFI-based), other systems started to allow booting UEFI-based OSes. For example, IBM x3450 server, MSI motherboards with ClickBIOS, all HP EliteBook Notebook and Tablet PCs, newer HP Compaq Notebook PCs (e.g.Nov 01 20:38
XFaCE, 6730b, 6735b, etc.)."Nov 01 20:38
XFaCEschestowitz: Great, just greatNov 01 20:42
XFaCEDaemonFC: From the ASUS websiteNov 01 20:43
XFaCE"Buy Microsoft ® Office 2010 to use the full-featured Office software on this PC."Nov 01 20:43
XFaCEThat... makes absolutely no senseNov 01 20:43
XFaCEErr... how about I download LibreOffice to use the... oh never mind.Nov 01 20:44
XFaCEHey ThistleWebNov 01 20:45
ThistleWebheyNov 01 20:45
XFaCEThistleWeb: I think for your next show, Microsoft deserves four letters, and more.Nov 01 20:45
XFaCEFor thanks, of course.Nov 01 20:45
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XFaCEThistleWeb: This is insane, but really not unexpected.Nov 01 20:46
ThistleWeblolNov 01 20:46
XFaCEThistleWeb: Do you have new laptop with UEFI?Nov 01 20:48
ThistleWebnoNov 01 20:49
XFaCEThistleWeb: Darn, I wish it was easy to check.  BIOSse are often very vague and unhelpfulNov 01 20:51
ThistleWebwell, it may have, I never checkedNov 01 20:52
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DaemonFCthey have to make sure operating systems that are not uefi aware can bootNov 01 20:57
DaemonFCfor nowNov 01 20:57
DaemonFCthat will probably die with Windows XPNov 01 20:57
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schestowitzDaemonFC: have you tested Tiles 8?Nov 01 21:22
DaemonFC?Nov 01 21:24
XFaCE!google tiles 8Nov 01 21:24
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Sets that have 48288: Tile 8 x 16 | http://www.peeron.com/inv/parts/48288Nov 01 21:24
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Target:Nouveau Scroll Tiles (8 x 24") | http://www.target.com/p/Nouveau-Scroll-Tiles-8-x-24/-/A-13206294Nov 01 21:24
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Buy VIFAH Deck Tiles 8 Slat Diagonal 10 Tiles Box Premium ... | http://www.drugstore.com/vifah-deck-tiles-8-slat-diagonal-10-tiles-box-premium-plantation-teak/qxp222342Nov 01 21:24
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Amazon.com: Vifah Snapping Deck Tiles 8 Slat Straight - 100 Tiles ... | http://www.amazon.com/Vifah-Snapping-Deck-Tiles-Straight/dp/B002NHUFOYNov 01 21:24
schestowitzVista 8Nov 01 21:25
schestowitzwith the tiles-like BSNov 01 21:25
schestowitzWorse than UnityNov 01 21:25
XFaCEschestowitz: Screw tiles, since Windows is trying to look like a webpage since 98, just call it "Pages"Nov 01 21:28
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DaemonFCohNov 01 21:53
DaemonFCHONEY, COME LOOK AT THESE TILES!!!!Nov 01 21:53
DaemonFCDON'T YOU THINK THEY WOULD LOOK FABULOUS IN THE BATHROOM?Nov 01 21:54
DaemonFCB-)Nov 01 21:54
XFaCEI love how sophisticated the interface is marketed to beNov 01 21:54
XFaCEIt's 2-d, and looks like Star Trek LCARS from the 90s.  Worse than LCARS, those at least were squareNov 01 21:54
XFaCE*not just squareNov 01 21:55
cubezzzwe still can't talk to computersNov 01 21:57
XFaCEI meant the visual look of the interface onlyNov 01 21:58
DaemonFCDON'T YOU THINK THESE TILES LOOK SOPHISTICATED!?!?!?Nov 01 21:58
DaemonFCWE SHOULD INSTALL CERAMIC HEATERS UNDER THEM SO NOBODY WHO TAKES A SHIT IN OUR BATHROOM WILL BE COLD!!!Nov 01 21:59
DaemonFCWHILE THEY ADMIRE THE TILES!!!Nov 01 21:59
DaemonFCHOW MANY TILES SHOULD WE GET? THEY"Nov 01 22:00
DaemonFCTHEY'RE SO MODERN!!!Nov 01 22:00
DaemonFCMODERN TILES!Nov 01 22:00
DaemonFCAND WE CAN GET A MAGAZINE RACK TO GO NEXT TO THE TOILET AND CALL IT MODERN READER!!!Nov 01 22:00
DaemonFCAND THE TOILET CAN BE MODERN SHITTER!!!Nov 01 22:00
DaemonFCWITH MANDATORY INTERNET EXPLORER WHICH WILL NEVER BE MODERN!Nov 01 22:01
cubezzzthere's SpeechGear, but INov 01 22:01
cubezzz'm not sure how good it isNov 01 22:01
cubezzzsimple stuff like "run word processor" should be possibleNov 01 22:02
schestowitzSonic and TailsNov 01 22:02
schestowitzBallmer and TilesNov 01 22:03
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DaemonFCChromium daily with latest Catalyst is like Warp Factor 10Nov 01 22:05
DaemonFCzomg!Nov 01 22:05
DaemonFC:)Nov 01 22:05
DaemonFCseriously, I'm happyNov 01 22:05
DaemonFChappy happy joy joy, happy happy joy joy!!!Nov 01 22:05
XFaCEDaemonFC: Calm down, calm downNov 01 22:08
DaemonFCYOU'RE STILL NOT HAPPY!?!?! I'LL TEACH YOU TO BE HAPPY!!!Nov 01 22:09
DaemonFCI'LL TEACH YOUR GRANDMOTHER TO SUCK EGGS WHILE DAWN IS SHAVING YOUR BACK!!!!Nov 01 22:09
XFaCEChromium spies on you.Nov 01 22:09
DaemonFCB-)Nov 01 22:09
XFaCEIntellectual checkmateNov 01 22:10
sebsebsebhttp://www.pcworld.com/businesscenter/article/242940/is_ubuntu_linux_too_late_to_the_mobile_game.htmlNov 01 22:15
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sebsebsebthat's a great link about thatNov 01 22:16
sebsebseband I think if  they succede well more choice for consumers and thatNov 01 22:16
XFaCEsebsebseb: lol "market as well).Nov 01 22:17
XFaCEAssuming Ubuntu/Unity doesn't infringe on Apple/MS patents, it would also benefit Google by not having to fight those patent battles anymore."Nov 01 22:17
XFaCEFat chanceNov 01 22:17
XFaCEMicrosoft patented the ability to breathNov 01 22:17
sebsebsebXFaCE: what was that about market?Nov 01 22:17
sebsebsebalso Unity might break some patents yeahNov 01 22:17
XFaCEsebsebseb: Copypasta mistakeNov 01 22:17
sebsebsebplus Microsoft may be after Canonical if thisNov 01 22:18
sebsebsebLinux kernel breaks loads of their patents etc etcNov 01 22:18
sebsebsebyou knowNov 01 22:18
sebsebsebXFaCE: however if this words out, and Ubuntu, because quite known as a device for tablets and smart phones and suchNov 01 22:18
sebsebsebwell more choice for consumers reallyNov 01 22:18
sebsebsebplus this would be  much more open than Android really :DNov 01 22:18
XFaCEsebsebseb: More baskets for more eggsNov 01 22:19
sebsebsebWhat you mean?Nov 01 22:19
sebsebsebexactlyNov 01 22:19
sebsebsebnot that good at sayings at timesNov 01 22:19
sebsebsebor a lot of the time, but I seem to know some :DNov 01 22:19
XFaCEcompetition is great, something sorely lacking in the PC market for, well pretty much foreverNov 01 22:19
sebsebsebXFaCE: yeah, but tablets, netbooks, smartphonesNov 01 22:19
sebsebsebTV stuff etcNov 01 22:19
sebsebsebis like the new computingNov 01 22:19
XFaCEThe baskets are the mobile operating systems and the eggs are the devices.Nov 01 22:20
XFaCEthe PC market by comparison would be eggs in one basket.Nov 01 22:20
sebsebsebXFaCE: I read some quite negative comments on Linux TodayNov 01 22:21
sebsebseball of htem were really :DNov 01 22:21
sebsebsebto some Ubuntu article thoughNov 01 22:21
sebsebsebabout Unity and yeahNov 01 22:21
sebsebsebXFaCE: anyway I guess if want a proper Desktop OS, well yeah Unity isn't realy the thing to be using with it Nov 01 22:22
XFaCEsebsebseb: I'm not a fan of unity for desktop usage, for sureNov 01 22:22
sebsebsebXFaCE: When do you want to go on Techbytes with me, to talk about well this kind of stuff I guess?Nov 01 22:22
sebsebsebI thought it would be  general, like my one?Nov 01 22:23
XFaCEsebsebseb: When university stops for the holidays, maybeNov 01 22:23
sebsebsebXFaCE: ah right yeah you mean Christmas holidays?Nov 01 22:23
XFaCE:DNov 01 22:23
XFaCEsebsebseb: I use the PC term, but yeahNov 01 22:23
sebsebsebnot yet, but also going to have one of the Mageia founders on it :)Nov 01 22:23
sebsebsebPC term???Nov 01 22:23
XFaCEyeahNov 01 22:23
sebsebsebXFaCE: yeah I think December should be a good month for being on Techbytes again :DNov 01 22:24
XFaCEI thinks it's more encompassing.  Just a personal view.Nov 01 22:24
sebsebsebdepending on them as well Nov 01 22:24
sebsebsebschestowitz and TimNov 01 22:24
XFaCEyepNov 01 22:25
XFaCEI also have to talk to msb_ using IOU and look more into ThistleWeb 's showNov 01 22:25
XFaCEVery busy on the VOIP podcast/coversation front. Nov 01 22:25
XFaCE:)Nov 01 22:25
sebsebsebXFaCE: what you mean emcompassing, fits in well?Nov 01 22:25
sebsebsebas for ThistleWeb 's show, I saw something on Identic or whatever him and Kevie I thinkNov 01 22:26
XFaCE...yesNov 01 22:26
sebsebseb,but I don't have a link for that or anythingNov 01 22:26
sebsebseb,but yaeh I would so listen to that as well :)Nov 01 22:26
XFaCEI do, and I have the RSS feedNov 01 22:26
XFaCECrivinsNov 01 22:26
XFaCEhttp://unseenstudio.co.uk/sites/default/files/casts/crivins/Crivins_0.oggNov 01 22:26
sebsebsebThistleWeb was great when he used to be on Techbytes and  well only listended to the first maybe second as well of Kevie 's Tuxjam so far, but yeah that's good, so a show with both of them is bound to be good :DNov 01 22:27
sebsebsebXFaCE: not really into audio casts that much though, since mainly listen to music when on computer :DNov 01 22:27
TechrightsBot-trNot a web page! Aborting application/ogg typeNov 01 22:27
sebsebsebin fact still not listended to a Lnux Outlaws, but been in the group on Identica for ages, and well not much happens now with that, since they moved to GooglehypeNov 01 22:27
msb__XFaCE: Hi!Nov 01 22:30
XFaCEhelloNov 01 22:30
XFaCE(_msb)Nov 01 22:30
msb__The VOIP program we could talk with is IHU    http://ihu.sourceforge.net/Nov 01 22:31
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sebsebsebXFaCE: ok thanks for the link :)Nov 01 22:31
sebsebseb,but not going to listen nowNov 01 22:31
XFaCEmsb_: rightNov 01 22:32
XFaCEwow, I must be tired today :PNov 01 22:32
msb__sebsebseb: It's a VOIP program to talk with someone, like ekiga but much simpler to set up.  Not a show to listen to.Nov 01 22:32
XFaCEmsb__: Seb was talking about the link I posted to Crivin, the ThistleWeb showNov 01 22:33
msb__Oops!Nov 01 22:33
XFaCEschestowitz: msb__ et al.: Good news about FOSS and my universityNov 01 22:35
msb__They're going with it?Nov 01 22:36
XFaCE"...has selected Moodle as the replacement for WebCT. Select courses will be available in Moodle beginning Spring 2012.Nov 01 22:36
XFaCE For more information, please visit [link removed]"Nov 01 22:36
XFaCEhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebctNov 01 22:37
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XFaCEhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MoodleNov 01 22:37
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XFaCEschestowitz: I thought of this after reading the Blackboard section in the latest post.Nov 01 22:37
XFaCEmsb__: There was a trial of different CMSs, and through a fairly democratic process Moodle was preferred overall over Blackboard, WebCT, and I think one other alternativeNov 01 22:39
XFaCEHorray!Nov 01 22:39
msb__That's great!Nov 01 22:39
XFaCEmsb_: Still a long way to go, but a step in the right directionNov 01 22:40
XFaCEmsb__: I unfortunately had to trial Blackboard.  What a POs.Nov 01 22:43
DaemonFChttp://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAwOTgNov 01 22:50
TechrightsBot-trTitle: [Phoronix] Mono, Banshee Will Still Be Loved In Ubuntu 12.04 .::. Size~: 16.2 KBNov 01 22:50
XFaCEDaemonFC: They must love Shit Creek.Nov 01 22:50
XFaCEDaemonFC: Please leave a witty comment.Nov 01 22:51
XFaCE:)Nov 01 22:51
DaemonFC[18:49] <DaemonFC> "Concerns over this Mono and GTK#-using application were raised since Banshee has had some problems on ARM (the application freezing with a white screen) and Mono issues on ARM in general."Nov 01 22:54
DaemonFC[18:50] <DaemonFC> Because .NET languages are so portable, dontcha know?Nov 01 22:54
DaemonFC[18:50] <DaemonFC> " There hasn't been any attention from upstream Mono about these issues under ARM"Nov 01 22:54
DaemonFC[18:50] <DaemonFC> of course there hasn't, they're not TRYING to sell the open core Mono crap on anything that uses ARMNov 01 22:54
DaemonFC[18:51] <DaemonFC> "It was also raised that Banshee is still using GTK2"Nov 01 22:54
DaemonFC[18:52] <DaemonFC> That's because it's a lot of work to port GTK# to it and honestly, it can't even use all the features of GTK+2 with the Mono bindingsNov 01 22:54
DaemonFC[18:52] <DaemonFC> they need to flush that turd and just use a native Linux application that is really free software and doesn't have patent issuesNov 01 22:54
DaemonFC[18:52] <DaemonFC> will they? noNov 01 22:54
DaemonFCit=GTK 3, sorryNov 01 22:54
XFaCENon-troll approves.Nov 01 22:55
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DaemonFChttp://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?64422-Trinity-Does-New-Release-To-Let-KDE-3.5-Live-Om&p=236631&posted=1#post236631Nov 01 23:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Trinity Does New Release To Let KDE 3.5 Live Om .::. Size~: 32.31 KBNov 01 23:18
sebsebsebDaemonFC: XFaCE msb__  Nince one Portugal :) http://mrpogson.com/2011/10/30/government-of-portugal-is-cutting-funding-to-m/  Now if only the UK would follow.Nov 01 23:19
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Government of Portugal is Cutting Funding to M$ at  Robert Pogson .::. Size~: 64.41 KBNov 01 23:19
XFaCEDaemonFC: Troll!Nov 01 23:20
XFaCElolNov 01 23:20
XFaCEsebsebseb: Good to know.  If only every country on the planet followed suit.Nov 01 23:21
sebsebsebXFaCE: yep also in the comments got a guy who comes here, it seemsNov 01 23:23
sebsebsebI assume it's himNov 01 23:23
sebsebsebanyway that's one way to save money, stop giving millions to MicrosoftNov 01 23:23
XFaCEsebsebseb: Let the "free market" decide its fateNov 01 23:23
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DaemonFChttp://www.trinitydesktop.org/wiki/bin/view/Documentation/Releases_3_5_13Nov 01 23:24
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schestowitzManipulating Image Sequences and Making Animations http://schestowitz.com/Weblog/archives/2011/11/01/making-animations/ #linuxNov 01 23:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: schestowitz.com  » Blog Archive   » Manipulating Image Sequences and Making Animations .::. Size~: 34.51 KBNov 01 23:25
schestowitzLatest Analysis of Patent Assault on LinuxNov 01 23:25
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2011/11/01/giants-collude-against-linux/ #swpats #linuxNov 01 23:25
schestowitzLatest Analysis of Patent Assault on LinuxNov 01 23:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Latest Analysis of Patent Assault on Linux | Techrights .::. Size~: 92.9 KBNov 01 23:25
schestowitzhttp://techrights.org/2011/11/01/giants-collude-against-linux/ #swpats #linuxNov 01 23:25
schestowitzoopsNov 01 23:25
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Latest Analysis of Patent Assault on Linux | Techrights .::. Size~: 92.9 KBNov 01 23:25
XFaCEschestowitz: It's ok roy.  I think the post deserves two mentions. :)Nov 01 23:27
schestowitzEvan Prodromou explains some of the latest #identica cockup (lasting about a week now) http://is.gd/ubpPeC #server #databaseNov 01 23:28
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Scheduled downtime 30 Oct 2011 22:00 EDT | StatusNet .::. Size~: 13.63 KBNov 01 23:28
schestowitzI\'m trying to keep updates hereNov 01 23:29
schestowitzWhile identi.ca gets its knickers back togetherNov 01 23:29
schestowitzif everNov 01 23:29
schestowitzI've nearly lost hopeNov 01 23:29
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XFaCEschestowitz: http://www.donotgiveup.net/hope%20stone.jpgNov 01 23:49
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XFaCEthat suckedNov 01 23:49
XFaCEschestowitz: http://images.fastcompany.com/upload/uncommon_sense_hope.jpgNov 01 23:49
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schestowitzBruce Byfield feeling trollish today (or maybe the editor), Headline "Is the Linux Desktop Dead?" ("are we there yet?!?!") #sighNov 01 23:57
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