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| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: so Ive heard. | Nov 15 00:00 |
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| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: but the problem is, its all caused by something rich people are putting in the water | Nov 15 00:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | so its all good | Nov 15 00:00 |
| prurigro | whose hungry? http://www.vice.com/read/whos-hungry-502-v16n1 the story of someone who got their sexual wires crossed slightly differently than a psychopath | Nov 15 00:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Who's Hungry? | VICE .::. Size~: 66.04 KB | Nov 15 00:00 |
| MinceR | why would those rich people want more of their kind in the world? | Nov 15 00:00 |
| MinceR | that theory doesn't make much sense | Nov 15 00:00 |
| cubezzz | Gates has talked about "population control" and vaccines in the same sentence | Nov 15 00:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: see the song gangstas paradice. | Nov 15 00:01 |
| cubezzz | I do think some people do have more empathy than others | Nov 15 00:01 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: currently, there is a criteria of behaviour a sociopath must have had during their teen years, but that criteria doesn't have the implication in the opposite direction | Nov 15 00:02 |
| prurigro | (maybe that's what you've been getting at?) | Nov 15 00:02 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: Have you heard about the magnet experiment, where high-powered magnets disrupted different parts of the brain temporarily, allow the testers to increase the likelihood for the subject to lie or tell the truth? | Nov 15 00:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: empathy is a liability | Nov 15 00:02 |
| prurigro | Diablo-D3: so there are sociopaths/psychopaths, but our understanding of the causes is what we have wrong? ;) | Nov 15 00:02 |
| XFaCE | !google magnets truth lie experiment | Nov 15 00:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Zapping the brain with magnets makes it IMPOSSIBLE to lie | Mail ... | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2035085/Zapping-brain-magnets-makes-IMPOSSIBLE-lie.html | Nov 15 00:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] It is interesting that after the thankless hard work done by a minority now the mainstream corporate media are becoming #swpats sceptics. | Nov 15 00:03 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Can magnets force you to tell the truth ? - Unexplained Mysteries | http://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/viewnews.php%3Fid%3D213814 | Nov 15 00:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - A well-placed magnet could make people more honest, study says ... | http://www.smartplanet.com/blog/science-scope/a-well-placed-magnet-could-make-people-more-honest-study-says/10211 | Nov 15 00:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Magnets Change How Much You Lie | Geekosystem | http://www.geekosystem.com/lying-magnets/ | Nov 15 00:03 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: Diablo-D3 cubezzz MinceR There we are | Nov 15 00:03 |
| MinceR | fucking magnets, how do they work? | Nov 15 00:03 |
| prurigro | cubezzz: definitely-- in fact, it almost seems like you can split those with the most and the least into categories along the lines of conservative and liberal | Nov 15 00:03 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: with magnetism. | Nov 15 00:03 |
| cubezzz | some older people seem especially empathic | Nov 15 00:03 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: flesh consuming and psychopath are two different things. | Nov 15 00:04 |
| cubezzz | maybe it increases with age | Nov 15 00:04 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: there are cultures were flesh consuming was normal. | Nov 15 00:04 |
| prurigro | XFaCE: yes! I think that's such an awesome study-- there's another one I might be able to dig up, if you're interested in that kinda thing, where they disable an entire hemisphere of a person's brain, and that person gains savant-like abilities | Nov 15 00:04 |
| cubezzz | prurigro, I'm not sure you can assume liberal or conservative has more empathy | Nov 15 00:04 |
| MinceR | i consume flesh often | Nov 15 00:05 |
| MinceR | it's the flesh of nonhuman animals, though | Nov 15 00:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: some cultures did not make the divide MinceR | Nov 15 00:05 |
| MinceR | i know | Nov 15 00:05 |
| MinceR | the other red meat | Nov 15 00:05 |
| oiaohm | There are criticial reason to make the divide. | Nov 15 00:05 |
| XFaCE | cubezzz: From which perspective? | Nov 15 00:05 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: psychopathy involves the figurative 'sexual wires' in the brain being crossed with regions in the brain associated with violence | Nov 15 00:05 |
| MinceR | "long pig" | Nov 15 00:05 |
| XFaCE | cubezzz: Liberal in Canada means centrist | Nov 15 00:06 |
| cubezzz | XFaCE, yeah those labels can be tricky | Nov 15 00:06 |
| prurigro | cannibalism like in this article is those same wires being crossed with regions associated with chowing down :) | Nov 15 00:06 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: Not always. There is more than 1 form of psychopathy. | Nov 15 00:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | [07:01:37] <prurigro> Diablo-D3: so there are sociopaths/psychopaths, but our understanding of the causes is what we have wrong? ;) | Nov 15 00:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | probably. | Nov 15 00:06 |
| XFaCE | cubezzz: Our parliamentary party standing is distorted now | Nov 15 00:06 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: cannibalistic societies are a completely different idea on that note | Nov 15 00:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: or rather, to merely say they are crossed is meaningless | Nov 15 00:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not a diagnosis. | Nov 15 00:07 |
| cubezzz | ot | Nov 15 00:07 |
| cubezzz | it's normal to have _some_ empathy | Nov 15 00:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | instead, either find the gene or the chemical that triggers it and get rid of it. | Nov 15 00:07 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: common in psychopath is lack of compassion and a drive to get more. Now that can be sex as a drive. More scary one is wealth as a drive ie hording. | Nov 15 00:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: like I said, empathy is a liability | Nov 15 00:07 |
| XFaCE | cubezzz: We used to have centre-left (Liberal), centre-right (Progressive Conservative), far-left (NDP), far-right (various parties) and specific mission parties Green) | Nov 15 00:07 |
| MinceR | Diablo-D3: well, if you get rid of carbon, you get rid of the behavior :> | Nov 15 00:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | MinceR: :| | Nov 15 00:08 |
| prurigro | cubezzz: I read a study that had a bunch of questions for participants, which was meant to measure whether they were more in the conservative or liberal spectrum without giving it away, and then social queues were tested; amazingly, 'conservatives' displayed a completely different system of interaction than those deemed liberals | Nov 15 00:08 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 15 00:08 |
| XFaCE | cubezzz: Now we have a stupid, quasi-right pro business party ("Conservatives"), a centrist party (Liberal), and far-left | Nov 15 00:08 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: yes the most dangrous psychopaths are not based sex but the nature to stock pile food. | Nov 15 00:08 |
| XFaCE | cubezzz: Connies are extremists now | Nov 15 00:08 |
| prurigro | for example, if the researcher looked away during conversation, the liberal would look to where they'd looked while the conservative would maintain eye contact | Nov 15 00:08 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, not sure what you mean. How is empathy a liability? | Nov 15 00:08 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: ie you can stop sex drive how do you stop food nature. | Nov 15 00:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: the study prurigro is quoting also found another thing | Nov 15 00:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | conservatives would gut you for a klondike bar. | Nov 15 00:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | never turn your back on a conservative. | Nov 15 00:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | thus, empathy is a liability | Nov 15 00:10 |
| cubezzz | What are conservatives conserving? | Nov 15 00:10 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: there are, but violence is a generic blanket that should cover them | Nov 15 00:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: nothing | Nov 15 00:10 |
| cubezzz | prurigro, do you think empathic behaviour can be taught? | Nov 15 00:12 |
| prurigro | Diablo-D3: that triggers psychopathy? | Nov 15 00:12 |
| cubezzz | or is it something you're born with? | Nov 15 00:12 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: psychopath share traders are interesting because they normally are food drive as as long as they can trade they are safe. Ie don't require physically violince while in that envorment. They loses there job they turn really bad realy quick.. | Nov 15 00:12 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: yes, their sex drive is crossed with these unfavourable tendencies, which is actually why men can be psychopaths while females are basically unheard of | Nov 15 00:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: what triggers it is either their genes or exposure to a chemical before they are born | Nov 15 00:12 |
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| prurigro | men and women both enjoy sex, but men are wired with a drive to seek it out, while women just enjoy it when it comes along | Nov 15 00:13 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: women psychopaths when they do happen are more often than not food drive. | Nov 15 00:13 |
| prurigro | cubezzz: it definitely can-- though you need some initial basis for it first | Nov 15 00:14 |
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| cubezzz | from wikipedia: | Nov 15 00:15 |
| cubezzz | "Empathy is the capacity to recognize and, to some extent, share feelings (such as sadness or happiness) that are being experienced by another sapient or semi-sapient being." | Nov 15 00:15 |
| prurigro | a friend of mine with aspergers actually developed a complete empathetic system with my help after jumpstarting it with the burst of oxytocin delivered by a few theraputic sessions of mdma | Nov 15 00:15 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: Interested in that study. Please share. :) [/belated] | Nov 15 00:15 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: tiggers are many for psychopaths. Brain damage even late in life can turn a person into one. | Nov 15 00:15 |
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| XFaCE | prurigro: Err what? are you a doctor or a scientist? | Nov 15 00:16 |
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| prurigro | oiaohm: a psychopath can be completely harmless if they've never experienced the pleasure associated with violence | Nov 15 00:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: yup | Nov 15 00:17 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: share traders are still experince the pleasure just in a electronic form. | Nov 15 00:17 |
| cubezzz | ok, so no empathy for bugs then | Nov 15 00:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | which leads me to believe the only way to cure psychopathy is to stop breeding humans | Nov 15 00:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | problem solved | Nov 15 00:17 |
| prurigro | once 'triggered' however, ie: they learn that pleasure association, they typically end up cultivating associated behaviours | Nov 15 00:17 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: if they know they can stop the re enforcement. | Nov 15 00:17 |
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| cubezzz | prurigro, are you a Psychologist? | Nov 15 00:18 |
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| oiaohm | prurigro: it only becomes a big problem when its fully enforced. | Nov 15 00:18 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: that is the problem with the share traders it enforced then they stop suddly o boy hell breaks less. | Nov 15 00:18 |
| oiaohm | less/loss | Nov 15 00:19 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: are you talking about female angel of death serial killers having the food-drive connection? Is that a theory of yours, or have you found a paper on it? (I'd be curious) | Nov 15 00:19 |
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| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: btw, theres another problem | Nov 15 00:19 |
| cubezzz | Share traders do seem to be an example of a sociopathic type of person | Nov 15 00:20 |
| prurigro | XFaCE: I'll quickly take a look now, hopefully its still up :) and psychology is one of my fields of study | Nov 15 00:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | what about those of us who dont find any of that pleasurable | Nov 15 00:20 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure not all are, of course | Nov 15 00:20 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: I did a lot of reasearch on no killing versions of psychopaths. | Nov 15 00:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | people love gambling, I think its stupid | Nov 15 00:20 |
| cubezzz | yes, gambling is stupid | Nov 15 00:20 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: for ever killer psychopath there is about 20 that don't. | Nov 15 00:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | there is nothing enjoyable in gambling | Nov 15 00:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you cant win every single time, whats the point? | Nov 15 00:20 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: You obviously must be in a position of some authority if you are able to authorize treatments | Nov 15 00:20 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: a pure psychopath wouldn't be interested in treatment though | Nov 15 00:21 |
| cubezzz | another interesting case was Ted Kaczynski | Nov 15 00:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: theres no such thing as treatment anyhow | Nov 15 00:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not like you can rewire the brain | Nov 15 00:21 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: Boss of share trades like to know what ones are the pyschopaths. | Nov 15 00:21 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: It also from the drugs that are used to treat psychopaths. | Nov 15 00:22 |
| cubezzz | Diablo-D3, LSD? | Nov 15 00:22 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: lot a stoped by sex drive subressess. But some only work against food drive. | Nov 15 00:22 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: having the sociopathic backbone that creates a true psychopath from someone with these crossed wires though, would suggest that their 'duty to society' or whatever you want to call it that would normally have them agreeable and attempting to fix themselves would be missing-- you sure you aren't talking about those who could have been psychopaths? | Nov 15 00:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | cubezzz: interestingly, that might work | Nov 15 00:23 |
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| Diablo-D3 | extreme ego death has fixed quite a few psychopaths | Nov 15 00:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: see, thats the thing | Nov 15 00:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | I never understood the duty to society | Nov 15 00:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | society has largely screwed me, why should I have any duty to it? | Nov 15 00:23 |
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| oiaohm | prurigro: psychopath has a drive. That a sociopathic does not. That is the hard part with sharetraders. 90 percent will have socipathic in there make up. | Nov 15 00:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: well jee, i must be a sociopath then | Nov 15 00:25 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: because to share trade effective compassion can get in way. | Nov 15 00:25 |
| prurigro | Diablo-D3: you might have not developed the reward-association between things like monetary gain that society's spent your entire life trying to create | Nov 15 00:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | since I have zero drive to waste my time on stupid shit | Nov 15 00:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: but there is no such thing as monetary gain | Nov 15 00:26 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: You do have compassion for others a little. | Nov 15 00:26 |
| XFaCE | bbl | Nov 15 00:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | what can you gain from money? more money? | Nov 15 00:26 |
| XFaCE | supper | Nov 15 00:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | can you eat money? can it make you happy? | Nov 15 00:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Nov 15 00:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | its more worthless trash | Nov 15 00:26 |
| cubezzz | it's just a way to pay your bills | Nov 15 00:26 |
| prurigro | or you could be wired for internal reward, rather than outside influences | Nov 15 00:26 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: problem is there have been many cases of fired share traders changing to a killer. | Nov 15 00:27 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: ie it kinda critcal it weed out what ones are the true problems. | Nov 15 00:27 |
| prurigro | XFaCE: I am not in a position to authorize treatments, sadly, but I am capable of providing them | Nov 15 00:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: that isnt really it either. | Nov 15 00:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: I just find society as a whole as a large waste of time | Nov 15 00:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | they have nothing to offer me that I really want. | Nov 15 00:28 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: there are no known drugs for treating psychopathy-- its a hardware issue, not something you can correct with software | Nov 15 00:28 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: It not exactly treat. It supress. | Nov 15 00:29 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: we can alter drivers by chemical a little. | Nov 15 00:29 |
| cubezzz | prurigro, surely there are drugs that calm people down? Make a psycho person a bit less psycho? | Nov 15 00:29 |
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| oiaohm | prurigro: that is how the cross with sex was first detected and the cross with food was later detected. | Nov 15 00:29 |
| prurigro | Diablo-D3: I'd wager that you wouldn't have consciously decided your duty for society, if you had any | Nov 15 00:29 |
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| oiaohm | prurigro: and off course there could be still other drives we don't know yet. Because we have not devolved a drug to supress that yet. | Nov 15 00:30 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: you can also compartmentalize working systems as well, to give you the ability to say, react sociopathically concerning trades despite being fully empathetic when with another person | Nov 15 00:30 |
| cubezzz | I agree somewhat, society could be better | Nov 15 00:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: dude, if that worked, then traders wouldnt beat prostitutes on their off days | Nov 15 00:31 |
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| cubezzz | Kind of hard to ignore that when the news feeds you negative energy all the time | Nov 15 00:31 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: if it just sociopathically it can be compartmentalized. If psychopath your treatment options are highly limited. Psychopath cannot be compartmentalized | Nov 15 00:32 |
| prurigro | Diablo-D3: I have the same feelings concerning money, and its hard to really motivate yourself to do things that will result in obtaining it as a result, I find | Nov 15 00:32 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: the drive is what undoes the compartmentalization process. | Nov 15 00:33 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: are you talking about chemical castration? that's the only thing I could picture having an effect | Nov 15 00:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | argh | Nov 15 00:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude | Nov 15 00:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | no talk about that kthx | Nov 15 00:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | my nuts just tried to retract into my body | Nov 15 00:33 |
| prurigro | cubezzz: the problem is that they're not out of control-- their motivations are completely different from how yours work, and if they're on a drug that reduces their drives, say, they'll probably just stop taking it | Nov 15 00:34 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: yep chemical castration was how they found the sex drive link. Some deit pills is how they found the food drive link. | Nov 15 00:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: you know | Nov 15 00:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats largely bullshit | Nov 15 00:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | we've always known those drives existed | Nov 15 00:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | its what makes us human, those stupid little flaws | Nov 15 00:34 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: you have a drive system, and you're prewired for sex food and a few other things from the start, but after that the sky's the limits on what drives are possible | Nov 15 00:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: I wonder if theres a "Ill do it when I goddamned feel like it" drive. | Nov 15 00:35 |
| prurigro | cubezzz: news in america is ridiculous in that respect, I can totally see it effecting culture more than any violent movie too since its perceived as real | Nov 15 00:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | ZOMG | Nov 15 00:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | MOVIES CAUSE VIOLENCE | Nov 15 00:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | AND VIDEO GAMES | Nov 15 00:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | AND MUSIC | Nov 15 00:36 |
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| Diablo-D3 | AND _FOOD_ | Nov 15 00:36 |
| *Diablo-D3 hits someone with a steak | Nov 15 00:36 | |
| Diablo-D3 | FOOD VIOLENCE | Nov 15 00:36 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: there is a classic difference. Other than our prewired drivers the others can be shutdown by treatment. | Nov 15 00:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | lets face it people | Nov 15 00:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | we fell out of the goddamned trees yesterday | Nov 15 00:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | we're fucking hairless monkies | Nov 15 00:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | violent and crude as ever | Nov 15 00:37 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: I meant someone who isn't a sociopath or a psychopath is perfectly capable of trading stocks guilt free through compartmentalization-- it doesn't really work in reverse though, like you say, because the motivations don't exist to get better | Nov 15 00:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | want proof? | Nov 15 00:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | religion. | Nov 15 00:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | the worship and codification of our monkey ways. | Nov 15 00:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | no logic. | Nov 15 00:37 |
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| prurigro | Diablo-D3: chemical castration != hot knife, we're talking about some kinda antiandrogen | Nov 15 00:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | dude, I dont care | Nov 15 00:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | call it something else then | Nov 15 00:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | I like my nuts where they are | Nov 15 00:38 |
| prurigro | Diablo-D3: human variability is the best thing we have going for us, but when a cell varies in the wrong way and becomes cancerous, it needs to be removed before it causes significant damage | Nov 15 00:39 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: really long term the non sociopath or psychopath starts having trouble. With the fact there actions put like 1000 of people out of work. | Nov 15 00:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: btw, you know how I know empathy exists? | Nov 15 00:39 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] No. There is a reason for it. | Nov 15 00:39 | |
| oiaohm | prurigro: share trading is one of those areas that a sociopath suites. | Nov 15 00:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | kick someone in the nuts, and watch the reaction of every guy who saw it. | Nov 15 00:39 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: does them less mental harm. | Nov 15 00:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: lets get to the root of the problem | Nov 15 00:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | Congress. | Nov 15 00:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | all insane fuckers | Nov 15 00:40 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: of course psychopaths also are the ones who are bad share traders because they make a lose and can end up spending more to recover from it. | Nov 15 00:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only group of people that can slaughter millions and get a round of applause for doing it | Nov 15 00:40 |
| prurigro | Diablo-D3: I think the "Ill do it when I goddamned feel like it" drive you're talking about might be a case of you not feeling a sense of autonomy in the things you're not getting done | Nov 15 00:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: you lost me. | Nov 15 00:41 |
| prurigro | autonomy is a huge factor in motivation | Nov 15 00:41 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: yes as wrong as it sounds for share trading you want someone with the right level of mental illness. | Nov 15 00:41 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: well you can remove 'all drives' to an extent, in a general sense | Nov 15 00:42 |
| prurigro | if you could completely shutdown a drive though, we'd have cure cocaine addiction | Nov 15 00:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | LSD could happily remove you from those drives. | Nov 15 00:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | you just wont like the resulting human. | Nov 15 00:42 |
| prurigro | Diablo-D3: its actually more likely that we're aquatic apes than tree swinging ones :) | Nov 15 00:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: the comment still stands. | Nov 15 00:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | and curing cocaine addiction is easy | Nov 15 00:43 |
| prurigro | and as far as your proof goes, I see people who seem further along the evolutionary scale than others when I apply your criteria of 'evolved' | Nov 15 00:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | treat anyone who makes it as terrorists and away we go. | Nov 15 00:43 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: bio based ones like food and sex are harder to stop since they were designed as a key to life. | Nov 15 00:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: yeah, but look at us who are farther along the scale than others get treated by the cavemen | Nov 15 00:44 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: this happens really long term because the sociopathic end of things usually gets grown out of around mid-life when the emotional centre in the brain finally develops | Nov 15 00:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, someone like me probably should be running the world | Nov 15 00:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know why? | Nov 15 00:44 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: Yep and that is why in sharetrading they normally get moved up to management at that point. | Nov 15 00:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | because I dont have a need to press all the fucking buttons | Nov 15 00:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] really? Is there anything I can do besides going back to windows? I'm considering just writing my novels in gedit. | Nov 15 00:44 | |
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| prurigro | Diablo-D3: empathy exists at a high level thanks to a specific set of mirror neurons that contain emotional data, along with other systems like the the modules that make up the so called 'monkey sphere' and the oxytocin system | Nov 15 00:45 |
| prurigro | of course, you need to be able to produce any feeling you're gonna be able to empathize with internally as a prereq | Nov 15 00:45 |
| prurigro | Diablo-D3: how do you know it exists though? | Nov 15 00:46 |
| prurigro | Diablo-D3: I'm like 10 messages behind both of you (just reading that I lost you now lol) | Nov 15 00:47 |
| prurigro | I feel like I'm responding to the stars in the sky that likely burnt out millions of years ago | Nov 15 00:47 |
| prurigro | :) | Nov 15 00:47 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: Really what gets me is why is sex the most common drive to be hooked up wrong for lots of mental illnees. | Nov 15 00:47 |
| prurigro | Diablo-D3: LSD is a chain reaction jump started by bonding with the very system that's flawed in a sociopath-- I've always been curious how one would react | Nov 15 00:48 |
| prurigro | (they never seem too enthralled with the experience after the fact on that note) | Nov 15 00:48 |
| prurigro | Diablo-D3: well if we're smarter, maybe we should be expected to be the ones who solve this issue? | Nov 15 00:49 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] The DMCA was a cakewalk... The #Internet was nice while it lasted... Americans: "STOP SOPA, SAVE THE INTERNET" !FreeSpeech !CDNpoli | Nov 15 00:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I would like to think floss was stable. If it is causing you problems this is cause for concern. | Nov 15 00:49 | |
| oiaohm | prurigro: I know there was a lot of forced experments with LSD on sociopath | Nov 15 00:49 |
| prurigro | Diablo-D3: you'd never put in the work to get there if you didn't have the drive to be there :) | Nov 15 00:49 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: I just cannot remember the research paper i was in. | Nov 15 00:49 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: ie back when LSD was new drug and its long term effects were not known. | Nov 15 00:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] STOP SOPA, SAVE THE INTERNET http://ur1.ca/5rl0s ...coincidence? Funny, Bill !C11 is supposed to pass by Xmas too. !CDNpoli | Nov 15 00:51 | |
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| prurigro | oiaohm: sexual drive influences behaviour heavily, so if a bunch of other systems go wrong, they're less likely to produce noteworthy results than the sexual drive system, since they're less involved in behaviour too right? | Nov 15 00:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I don't know that it is. It happened sometimes in Windows too. I'm thinking it's Open/Libre Office that is unstable, not FLOSS. | Nov 15 00:53 | |
| prurigro | oiaohm: I wouldn't be surprised haha, they seemed to have tested it on everything and everyone didn't they-- have you seen the cat video? | Nov 15 00:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: exactly, btw | Nov 15 00:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | we need to hire someone who doesnt want to be president to be president | Nov 15 00:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | anyone who wants to be president is automatically unqualified | Nov 15 00:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Me sleepy now. CU tmrw dear followsers and plusserses. :-) | Nov 15 00:54 | |
| oiaohm | prurigro: is the hording drive and food drive part of staying in the game both control many thing as well. I think sex drive is simple to detect. The other drives you cannot as simply trip in examination. | Nov 15 00:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @teirdes it appears i will soon be MEP. expecting to be inaugurated during strasbourg plenary in december. exciting! < congratulations! | Nov 15 00:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] David Rovics song "No Frackin' Way" #fracking #gas #drilling #hydraulic #poisontheland | Nov 15 00:56 | |
| oiaohm | prurigro: Ie I think sex drive might be over repesented a lot due to simpler testing. | Nov 15 00:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, I dont think those drives actually exist | Nov 15 00:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | they're just manifestations of the only real drive we have: staying alive | Nov 15 00:56 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: they are chemical based. | Nov 15 00:56 |
| schestowitz | when I was an undergrad I had a friend who later became an investment banker | Nov 15 00:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: that doesnt mean what you think it does | Nov 15 00:57 |
| schestowitz | i was not surprised cause he was all along arrogant and and sociopath.. and hardly hid it | Nov 15 00:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | evolution also changes what chemicals our brain uses. | Nov 15 00:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Well that is floss then. | Nov 15 00:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Partly. | Nov 15 00:58 | |
| oiaohm | evolution corrected created the drive chemicals. | Nov 15 00:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: yeah, but in different people chemicals act subtly different | Nov 15 00:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | but you're missing the point | Nov 15 00:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | evolution selects for traits that are most likely to survive | Nov 15 00:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | using the magic known as statistics, lies, and damned lies. | Nov 15 00:59 |
| oiaohm | To be correct they don't act differently. How they a processed by the wiring of brain. | Nov 15 00:59 |
| oiaohm | Is different. | Nov 15 00:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | now, what mother nature does, is she shakes her magic 8 ball | Nov 15 00:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | and goes | Nov 15 00:59 |
| oiaohm | The rest of the body processes them the same. | Nov 15 00:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] how much do you use it? I use LibreWriter and it crashes at least once a day (annoying when novelling) | Nov 15 00:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] What? | Nov 15 00:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Activist Post: #Iceland’s New Bank Disaster - #bankingsystem #imf #crooks http://goo.gl/659yO | Nov 15 00:59 | |
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| Diablo-D3 | hey, lets make 4 legged humans! | Nov 15 00:59 |
| Diablo-D3 | and thus bill gates was born. | Nov 15 01:00 |
| oiaohm | We have the same sex drive chemical as flees. | Nov 15 01:00 |
| oiaohm | Mother nature has not been that creative with these chemicals Diablo-D3 | Nov 15 01:00 |
| oiaohm | What brian wiring does in response is creative. | Nov 15 01:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Yes but not the whole floss universe. It could be you just need help from someone more knowledgeable than us :) | Nov 15 01:01 | |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: I think you're missing the point | Nov 15 01:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | a) Im trolling | Nov 15 01:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | b) Im tired of stupid people | Nov 15 01:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | c) I would be much happier of the plague of stupidity was cured | Nov 15 01:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | d)i we're all doomed anyways | Nov 15 01:01 |
| oiaohm | Have you really though threw what you have wished for. | Nov 15 01:02 |
| oiaohm | A world without stupid people. One day that may be possible. | Nov 15 01:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: dude, if you could see the world as how I wanted it | Nov 15 01:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | you would weep with joy | Nov 15 01:03 |
| oiaohm | Problem is I laugh at stupid people. | Nov 15 01:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | I used to | Nov 15 01:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | then stupid people just kept being stupid | Nov 15 01:03 |
| oiaohm | I don't think I would find your world fun. | Nov 15 01:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: imagine, a world where a mission to mars would not only be viable, but already underway, and cancer and aids and most major deceases would already be cured, and africa would be an economic powerhouse | Nov 15 01:04 |
| oiaohm | I have worked without stupid people at different times. | Nov 15 01:04 |
| oiaohm | And we would have nano machines by now Diablo-D3 | Nov 15 01:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | the middle east would no longer be at war with itself | Nov 15 01:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | or reality, even | Nov 15 01:05 |
| oiaohm | So now I am looking at living for ever. So having to work for ever. | Nov 15 01:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | and women would no longer believe that they... whatever the fuck it is they believe. | Nov 15 01:05 |
| oiaohm | I really don't see that as a fun idea. | Nov 15 01:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: yes, but is it really work if you enjoy it? | Nov 15 01:05 |
| schestowitz | what is "work"? | Nov 15 01:05 |
| schestowitz | people define this differently | Nov 15 01:06 |
| oiaohm | In a world where nano machines do all the lazy stuff. Diablo-D3 | Nov 15 01:06 |
| schestowitz | Some mothers will say that housework is a job or work | Nov 15 01:06 |
| prurigro | I can hardly wait for nano machines | Nov 15 01:06 |
| schestowitz | And that's fine | Nov 15 01:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | but seriously | Nov 15 01:06 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: I do like doing some manual work. | Nov 15 01:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | if the world isnt even going to try | Nov 15 01:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | why should I? | Nov 15 01:06 |
| prurigro | have them plugged directly into the neurons that process conscious experience | Nov 15 01:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | the world has nothing to offer me. | Nov 15 01:06 |
| prurigro | VR ftw | Nov 15 01:06 |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: It gave you life | Nov 15 01:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: Im still thinking that was a waste of my time. | Nov 15 01:07 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: really I fear that day. | Nov 15 01:07 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: the day nano machines can directly feed information into your mind is the day everyone might become clones. | Nov 15 01:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Seen bits of it have not got into it yet. | Nov 15 01:08 | |
| oiaohm | Diablo-D3: yes there is a chance without idiots we would all know everything at once. | Nov 15 01:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm: yes, and then you could all suffer like I do. | Nov 15 01:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | I like where this is going | Nov 15 01:08 |
| oiaohm | Also you would not be you either. | Nov 15 01:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | of course I wouldnt | Nov 15 01:09 |
| oiaohm | Think borg or worse. | Nov 15 01:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | that isnt it | Nov 15 01:09 |
| oiaohm | Ie you are still alive. | Nov 15 01:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | imagine me, but actually happy. | Nov 15 01:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | it wouldnt be me at all, now would it | Nov 15 01:09 |
| oiaohm | In a body you are not controlling. | Nov 15 01:09 |
| oiaohm | Yet you know you are being controlled. | Nov 15 01:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | isnt that called being a united states citizen? | Nov 15 01:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | do what you're told, or the cops come and beat you with nightsticks | Nov 15 01:10 |
| oiaohm | Except a USA cit can choose to go blow something up for fun. | Nov 15 01:10 |
| oiaohm | Basically unitied states citizen has more options. | Nov 15 01:10 |
| oiaohm | There is such thing as too smart for your own good. Diablo-D3 | Nov 15 01:11 |
| oiaohm | Once you start building tech directly linking to mind you are on a very risky slope. | Nov 15 01:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Homer Simpson, Stan Smith, Peter Griffiths, Sterling Archer. Blokes behaving like clowns are obviously funny. | Nov 15 01:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] cryptogon.com » Why Is #China Building These Gigantic Structures In the Middle of the Desert? #xfiles http://ur1.ca/5tzzk | Nov 15 01:13 | |
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| prurigro | oiaohm: once nano machines are released onto society, a badly programmed nanobot could potentially self replicate itself using other matter as a basis + energy until the entire universe was nothing but nanomachines | Nov 15 01:16 |
| prurigro | there are quite a few doomsday scenarios | Nov 15 01:16 |
| prurigro | but its also the potential for an unlimited amount of cool stuff too | Nov 15 01:16 |
| prurigro | Diablo-D3: define you :) | Nov 15 01:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | hrm? | Nov 15 01:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I will watch out for him. | Nov 15 01:18 | |
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| oiaohm | prurigro: also the question is if it will be gray goo nano or gray goo fake nature | Nov 15 01:18 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: Yes they are design a OS for a batteria of all things. | Nov 15 01:19 |
| prurigro | nano/fake nature? what is this grey goo? our brains? | Nov 15 01:21 |
| oiaohm | http://www.zmescience.com/research/cellular-operating-system-set-to-revolutionize-synthetic-biology/ prurigro | Nov 15 01:23 |
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| schestowitz | what is this musckle that pumps blood? | Nov 15 01:23 |
| oiaohm | Yes we humans are getting very scary. | Nov 15 01:23 |
| schestowitz | "it's where feelings are" | Nov 15 01:23 |
| schestowitz | and there there is the soul | Nov 15 01:24 |
| schestowitz | it's translucent | Nov 15 01:24 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: basically there were not enough natural creatures so we are now trying to design our own. | Nov 15 01:24 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: that could be trouble of course. | Nov 15 01:24 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: particularly take into account we know of bacteria that can live very happyly in a radioactive reactor core. | Nov 15 01:26 |
| schestowitz | e are creationists | Nov 15 01:26 |
| schestowitz | we reproduce evolution, creating species | Nov 15 01:26 |
| oiaohm | Not exactly we are after to produce creature that can evolve faster than evolution. schestowitz | Nov 15 01:27 |
| prurigro | we did create god in our own image, afterall | Nov 15 01:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Blow monkies... I am going off radio 6. | Nov 15 01:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Two star war films were rated in the 90% plus? Who did they ask? | Nov 15 01:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Two star wars films were rated in the 90% plus? Who did they ask? | Nov 15 01:39 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] We know where our letters are. | Nov 15 01:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Not having a pop. Just saying that most of us look at strange key orders and work them out. | Nov 15 01:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] "Burning Your House Down" The Jim Jones Revue. | Nov 15 01:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] If only most Rod Stewart records were as good as gasoline Alley. Some were better but the average was far below. | Nov 15 01:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @clacke @tomlegg @klanger Not 4, 1. search/email/youtube/docs ... spreading into Social Networks, building own browser, computers... #1ring | Nov 15 02:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] British Prime Minister says that the EU is devil personified but he does not want to be made pure just yet. | Nov 15 02:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk you mean they haven't? | Nov 15 02:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] !drwho new film announced let us hope it is not a car chase in the USA like the last one was. That was what killed Torchwood. | Nov 15 02:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] #nanoturtles needs no explanation, @Siri_Paulson :) #nanoturtles r us ..or me, anyway ;D !NaNoWriMo | Nov 15 02:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Do not speak ill of the dead they were tiny components in life as we are now. | Nov 15 02:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] He is a sound bloke. | Nov 15 02:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] You two are not weird just unusual which is why I subscribe. | Nov 15 02:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] I wonder which Mr Lee this is? http://ur1.ca/5u1gr | Nov 15 02:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] When someone goes along with you it is almost impossible to have an disagreement. | Nov 15 02:44 | |
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| XFaCE | schestowitz: Your channel has unexpected, positive consequences. Feel good about that. : | Nov 15 02:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] RT @cantosoft !joomla 1.7.3 released - this addresses a number of security bugs http://is.gd/MvSyOH | Nov 15 02:49 | |
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| XFaCE | :) | Nov 15 02:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Hello, @gomerx ... i'd love to chat but I am mega-behind on my !NaNoWriMo ms... later, dude :) !tzaf | Nov 15 03:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: @10comm To support facts-based BB policy? FAQ, privacy notice describe data collection. If you think proble http://p.ost.im/p/eSe2gd | Nov 15 03:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: my blog on the new IANA contract: encouraging news for the future of the Internet http:/ http://p.ost.im/p/eBgNu8 | Nov 15 03:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: Internet = Global resource. New IANA contract a clear step forward for global governance http://p.ost.im/p/eSFG6n | Nov 15 03:56 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @Cofluence: Help @NeelieKroesEU to find volunteers across Europe to collect real data on #broadband spee http://p.ost.im/p/eBveLF | Nov 15 03:56 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] I hope the real #Kindle is better than their apps for #Android and #webOS. App is no good for books longer than "Barney's bedtime stories". | Nov 15 03:58 | |
| ender_2070 | 18:16 < msb__> prurigro: Maybe. According to wikipedia, psychopathy may be genetic, and sociopathy learned. | Nov 15 04:15 |
| ender_2070 | the purpose of ultra wealthy inbreeding | Nov 15 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | freemasons? | Nov 15 04:15 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Nov 15 04:16 |
| prurigro | keeping in mind that pretty much everything is actually weighted %s of both | Nov 15 04:16 |
| ender_2070 | 18:53 < Diablo-D3> fucking neanderthals | Nov 15 04:17 |
| ender_2070 | +1 | Nov 15 04:17 |
| prurigro | also, I believe psychopathy doesn't fully develop unless sociopathy also develops, though don't quote me on that | Nov 15 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | I believe psychopathy is mostly genetic | Nov 15 04:21 |
| DaemonFC | just my guess based on the psychopaths I've seen | Nov 15 04:21 |
| prurigro | I've always wondered where wikipedia gets their info on psychopathy and sociopathy on that note, since neither's actually a recognized condition (though sociopathy is typicalyl considered antisocial personality disorder) | Nov 15 04:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Yeah. Pinned to an older Android version, from what I've read. I'm going to skip it. | Nov 15 04:23 | |
| prurigro | and hm, yea, I'd say genetic influences would at least need to be strong for a cross wiring to that degree | Nov 15 04:23 |
| ender_2070 | I would think the psychopaths don't want to be discovered | Nov 15 04:25 |
| ender_2070 | LOL | Nov 15 04:25 |
| ender_2070 | Since they rise to the top, I'm sure theres a few working on the DSM | Nov 15 04:26 |
| prurigro | they'd have to be pretty high functioning to have worked their way into the DSM staff to protect themselves haha | Nov 15 04:26 |
| ender_2070 | "Let's see... hmm.. children don't want to listen to me... oppositional defiant disorder! now I can sell drugs and deal with kids easier... buahahaha" | Nov 15 04:27 |
| prurigro | lol, yea, ODD seems like BS to me | Nov 15 04:27 |
| prurigro | of all disorders | Nov 15 04:27 |
| ender_2070 | same with ADD | Nov 15 04:27 |
| prurigro | actually ADD is a proven abnormality in the functioning of the dopamine system | Nov 15 04:27 |
| ender_2070 | isn't that ADHD? | Nov 15 04:28 |
| prurigro | ADHD and ADD are the same, its likely just slightly different areas that the dopamine system is operating incorrectly in | Nov 15 04:28 |
| ender_2070 | ADHD includes the hyperactivity | Nov 15 04:28 |
| ender_2070 | at least it did when I was misdiagnosed | Nov 15 04:29 |
| prurigro | it does | Nov 15 04:29 |
| prurigro | I wasn't trying to say they were the same in symptoms | Nov 15 04:29 |
| ender_2070 | I had ADD and they were wrong. | Nov 15 04:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] And http://identi.ca/url/59428322 | Nov 15 04:29 | |
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| ender_2070 | lol | Nov 15 04:29 |
| ender_2070 | they didn't do any medical tests | Nov 15 04:29 |
| ender_2070 | surprise! | Nov 15 04:30 |
| prurigro | I was saying ADD is just as legit as ADHD, and that the difference in effect is simply how your dopamine system is setup and where the issues are | Nov 15 04:30 |
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| prurigro | lol, there's no physical tests, just behavioural | Nov 15 04:30 |
| prurigro | the real test is whether the medication they prescribe helps or hurts | Nov 15 04:30 |
| ender_2070 | didn't you just say above that there is a proven abnormality in the dopamine system? | Nov 15 04:30 |
| prurigro | keeping in mind that certain individuals with an abnormally large number of D2 receptors in certain areas respond backwards to ritalin/cocaine | Nov 15 04:31 |
| ender_2070 | i don't judge the effectiveness of a drug as proof that the cause exists | Nov 15 04:31 |
| prurigro | there's a proven abnormality that can't be tested for, and has yet to be fully understood | Nov 15 04:32 |
| ender_2070 | that's because it doesn't exist | Nov 15 04:32 |
| ender_2070 | it's guesswork | Nov 15 04:32 |
| prurigro | well in this case, you have a reduced amount of dopamine in a particular area right | Nov 15 04:32 |
| ender_2070 | they have a drug that works to make kids follow orders better and they are finding ways to make it logical to use | Nov 15 04:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] ...apparently founded in Vermont, and made Colonial furniture at first. Thus the name! | Nov 15 04:33 | |
| prurigro | so rather than maintaining focus when engaged in a task, the brain keeps breaking free, unless there's an unusually high amount of reward associated with it (novel task for example) | Nov 15 04:33 |
| ender_2070 | perhaps the task in question is not interesting? | Nov 15 04:33 |
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| ender_2070 | I had always prioritized by mind on things I was interested in, which didn't work so well for schooling | Nov 15 04:34 |
| prurigro | if you add dopamine using amphetamine or methylphenidate, then the task becomes focused on, but if you did this to someone with the proper amount already, they're going to become manic because their focus is now being overloaded | Nov 15 04:34 |
| prurigro | well if the task isn't interesting, that's not ADD | Nov 15 04:34 |
| ender_2070 | do you know why their mind keeps breaking free? | Nov 15 04:34 |
| ender_2070 | boredom | Nov 15 04:34 |
| prurigro | its not boredom all the time though | Nov 15 04:35 |
| prurigro | and if it is, that's not add | Nov 15 04:35 |
| ender_2070 | of course, you pump speed through their veins and they become interested | Nov 15 04:35 |
| prurigro | its something that yesterday you enjoyed doing a lot and want to do again right now | Nov 15 04:35 |
| prurigro | but can't do because it doesn't have enough reward to sustain focus | Nov 15 04:35 |
| prurigro | even if you'd otherwise be enjoying it | Nov 15 04:36 |
| prurigro | or at least not clawing at your eyeballs | Nov 15 04:36 |
| prurigro | that said, boring situations become extremely boring | Nov 15 04:36 |
| prurigro | you know how schizophrenia works? | Nov 15 04:36 |
| ender_2070 | no | Nov 15 04:36 |
| prurigro | its overly sensitive dopamine receptors | Nov 15 04:37 |
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| ender_2070 | that might imply too much reward | Nov 15 04:38 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iq1rdnyE3Ko | Nov 15 04:38 |
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| prurigro | when a dopamine receptor is triggered, it sends a message to produce reward, long term memory formation or what have you | Nov 15 04:38 |
| ender_2070 | someone with ADHD would have bad memory? | Nov 15 04:38 |
| prurigro | it also initiates a process that eventually results in dopamine being released again | Nov 15 04:38 |
| prurigro | slightly less than before | Nov 15 04:38 |
| prurigro | to prevent the dopamine system from triggering itself indefinitely, or from an overactive system from doing the same, additional dopamine neurons grow, so next time the same quantity hits, less end up getting bonded with | Nov 15 04:40 |
| prurigro | in schizophrenia, tolerance doesn't occur somewhere along the lines here, and the system begins to self perpetuate, essentially giving the same effects as dexadrine without any drugs | Nov 15 04:41 |
| prurigro | and eventually, the system gets convoluted and overstressed, causing the negative effects to follow a few days of clarity and no need to sleep | Nov 15 04:41 |
| prurigro | now, I'm not gonna go too far in depth here, but the reason I brought this up is because schizophrenia and attention deficit are plieotropic | Nov 15 04:42 |
| ender_2070 | ooo, lack of sleep is fun | Nov 15 04:42 |
| prurigro | meaning the same gene is responsible for both | Nov 15 04:42 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=RviMdf7gng4 | Nov 15 04:42 |
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| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 04:42 |
| ender_2070 | I'm guessing it's the same gene, flipped one way gives ADD and flipped the other gives you schitzophrenia ? | Nov 15 04:43 |
| prurigro | and one of the more popular theories I've been exposed to as to exactly how the dopamine system works incorrectly in people with add, talks about a situation almost the opposite of how schizophrenia works | Nov 15 04:43 |
| prurigro | that's my best guess knowing what I know | Nov 15 04:43 |
| prurigro | autism is also in that gene | Nov 15 04:44 |
| ender_2070 | makes sense | Nov 15 04:44 |
| prurigro | and autism is a malfunction in the oxytocin system | Nov 15 04:44 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQcammV9G1Y&feature=related | Nov 15 04:45 |
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| ender_2070 | I read a story where there was a gene genetically engineered into a kid. What it was called was 'antons key' and what it did.. One way you would grow old and die stupid. The other way you would never stop growing, including your brain and you die a genius at the age of 20. | Nov 15 04:45 |
| prurigro | lol | Nov 15 04:47 |
| prurigro | that sounds horrible | Nov 15 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | "Let us pray" | Nov 15 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | "Let us do no such damned thing!" | Nov 15 04:47 |
| prurigro | like, as a situation, not the story | Nov 15 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | priceless | Nov 15 04:47 |
| ender_2070 | "Anton's Key" unlocks unlimited brain growth and continual formation of new neurons, allowing the person access to the intellectual miracles of infancy (language acquisition, physical dexterity and all other forms of learning) throughout their entire life. | Nov 15 04:47 |
| DaemonFC | how many times I've wanted to say that | Nov 15 04:47 |
| ender_2070 | The disadvantage of Anton's Key is that the body grows along with the brain, resulting in unstoppable giantism. | Nov 15 04:48 |
| ender_2070 | that's a better explanation | Nov 15 04:48 |
| ender_2070 | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Concepts_in_the_Ender's_Game_series#Anton.27s_Key | Nov 15 04:48 |
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| prurigro | haha, its funny though, because a smaller brain is actually more intelligent, in the end | Nov 15 04:48 |
| prurigro | relative to the body size | Nov 15 04:48 |
| ender_2070 | well, the neurons | Nov 15 04:49 |
| ender_2070 | if you have more, the better | Nov 15 04:49 |
| ender_2070 | much like a processor, smaller and more detailed circuitry | Nov 15 04:50 |
| prurigro | nadda | Nov 15 04:50 |
| prurigro | more neurons means more potential | Nov 15 04:50 |
| prurigro | more initial potential is better, true | Nov 15 04:50 |
| prurigro | but a child has some huge number like 70% more neurons than an adult | Nov 15 04:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Contest here! http://ur1.ca/5qewj | Nov 15 04:51 | |
| ender_2070 | yes but by the time they are an adult they no longer know how to think | Nov 15 04:51 |
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| prurigro | potential is slow and messy though | Nov 15 04:51 |
| prurigro | its reducing the number of available neurons that makes an adult so efficient in comparison | Nov 15 04:52 |
| ender_2070 | I argue they aren't more efficient | Nov 15 04:52 |
| ender_2070 | perhaps in the world we've made | Nov 15 04:52 |
| ender_2070 | society | Nov 15 04:52 |
| ender_2070 | people don't really 'think' anymore, very few do | Nov 15 04:52 |
| ender_2070 | most people just repeat something they've seen or have done a few times | Nov 15 04:52 |
| prurigro | well for example | Nov 15 04:53 |
| prurigro | we used to have bigger brains | Nov 15 04:53 |
| ender_2070 | neanderthals did | Nov 15 04:53 |
| prurigro | and as we evolved to become more intelligent, the size of our brains shrunk | Nov 15 04:53 |
| prurigro | them too | Nov 15 04:53 |
| ender_2070 | they were born with the same sized brains, and got bigger as they got older | Nov 15 04:53 |
| prurigro | neanderthals? | Nov 15 04:54 |
| ender_2070 | also you might not want to go down this route with me LOL | Nov 15 04:54 |
| prurigro | lol, well I studied this very topic in the biology of behaviour | Nov 15 04:54 |
| ender_2070 | let's just say pandra's box | Nov 15 04:55 |
| prurigro | and learned why this is the way it is right down to the cellular level | Nov 15 04:55 |
| prurigro | imo though | Nov 15 04:55 |
| ender_2070 | pandora's | Nov 15 04:55 |
| prurigro | if a larger brain was going to be more intelligent | Nov 15 04:55 |
| prurigro | it would need to belong to a species that lived longer than ours | Nov 15 04:56 |
| ender_2070 | yes exactly lol | Nov 15 04:56 |
| ender_2070 | neanderthals | Nov 15 04:56 |
| prurigro | did they live longer? | Nov 15 04:57 |
| ender_2070 | no idea, haven't met one | Nov 15 04:57 |
| prurigro | did I mention the adhd/autism/schizophrenia gene comes from Neanderthals? | Nov 15 04:57 |
| ender_2070 | I think you did above | Nov 15 04:57 |
| ender_2070 | guess what tho | Nov 15 04:57 |
| ender_2070 | did you know there is a race of people without the neanderthal gene? | Nov 15 04:57 |
| prurigro | didn't you say you had ADD? | Nov 15 04:57 |
| ender_2070 | err | Nov 15 04:58 |
| ender_2070 | I should say *without neanderthal dna* | Nov 15 04:58 |
| prurigro | don't a bunch of African locales lack it? | Nov 15 04:58 |
| ender_2070 | yes exactly | Nov 15 04:58 |
| prurigro | and Asia has a completely different species interbred | Nov 15 04:58 |
| ender_2070 | yes, but what I go into is ancient genetic engineering | Nov 15 04:59 |
| ender_2070 | which is why I say pandora's box | Nov 15 04:59 |
| prurigro | that seems to be the theme of evolution in general, for the most part | Nov 15 04:59 |
| ender_2070 | most believe pure evolution or pure creation | Nov 15 05:00 |
| prurigro | we've come at a very lucky time | Nov 15 05:00 |
| ender_2070 | i blieve a little bit of both | Nov 15 05:00 |
| ender_2070 | believe | Nov 15 05:00 |
| prurigro | in what respect? | Nov 15 05:00 |
| ender_2070 | evolution up to neanderthal, then the rest was genetically engineered | Nov 15 05:00 |
| ender_2070 | up to neanderthal and habilis | Nov 15 05:00 |
| ender_2070 | since they were seperate | Nov 15 05:01 |
| prurigro | wait, explain yourself? | Nov 15 05:01 |
| ender_2070 | from what I understand habilis was modified by the neanderthals and they made cro magnon | Nov 15 05:01 |
| ender_2070 | this will fly over your head | Nov 15 05:02 |
| prurigro | err I'm thinking more in the respect of creation | Nov 15 05:02 |
| ender_2070 | well thats the 'creation' part | Nov 15 05:02 |
| ender_2070 | genetic engineering | Nov 15 05:02 |
| ender_2070 | a lot of ancient civs have creation myths that sound the same | Nov 15 05:03 |
| ender_2070 | 'modified man in our image' | Nov 15 05:03 |
| prurigro | who did this genetic engineering? | Nov 15 05:03 |
| ender_2070 | the neanderthals | Nov 15 05:04 |
| prurigro | by interbreeding? | Nov 15 05:04 |
| ender_2070 | no, manipulating dna | Nov 15 05:04 |
| ender_2070 | litterally | Nov 15 05:04 |
| ender_2070 | like we would today | Nov 15 05:04 |
| ender_2070 | i'm not asking you to believe any of this but your gene info is very interesting | Nov 15 05:05 |
| ender_2070 | they used a biological quantum super computer | Nov 15 05:05 |
| ender_2070 | i've seen this type of mechanics done naturally by plants and I suspect certain insects use quantum entanglement | Nov 15 05:06 |
| ender_2070 | if there is any truth to psychics i suspect a quantum entanglement link | Nov 15 05:06 |
| prurigro | well see now, my foundation of reality essentially allows for ever logically structured possibility (the bible cannot work for example, because it contradicts itself) without accepting anything except for possibly an awareness of my own existence | Nov 15 05:07 |
| ender_2070 | as well, if neanderthals had larger brains and psychic type stuff is real - then it opens up a lot of stuff to think about | Nov 15 05:07 |
| ender_2070 | the bible has two purposes | Nov 15 05:07 |
| ender_2070 | 1) lead the masses | Nov 15 05:08 |
| ender_2070 | 2) encoded secret messages | Nov 15 05:08 |
| prurigro | so your idea is possible in my mind, but I'm curious what, to you, makes it more possible than an infinite number of other possible explanations | Nov 15 05:08 |
| prurigro | I think the bible has the ability to control people, and its purpose depends on whoever wields it | Nov 15 05:08 |
| prurigro | encoded secret messages were done at least by the druids | Nov 15 05:09 |
| ender_2070 | same people | Nov 15 05:09 |
| prurigro | as? | Nov 15 05:09 |
| ender_2070 | the same secret society down the ages who has gone by different names | Nov 15 05:09 |
| ender_2070 | most of the public names are for show | Nov 15 05:09 |
| ender_2070 | like the freemasons, they're for show | Nov 15 05:10 |
| ender_2070 | they have more power than most, but they are still puppets | Nov 15 05:10 |
| prurigro | I think you give people too much credit | Nov 15 05:10 |
| prurigro | secret societies come and go as the power structures and resources they control come and go | Nov 15 05:10 |
| ender_2070 | there is definately a lot to think about | Nov 15 05:11 |
| prurigro | the idea of a secret society in the first place is a story of the ages, but any additional conspiracy would have to be met with the question 'why?' | Nov 15 05:11 |
| ender_2070 | the goal? | Nov 15 05:11 |
| prurigro | yea | Nov 15 05:11 |
| ender_2070 | space flight | Nov 15 05:12 |
| prurigro | and hiding throughout all this time? | Nov 15 05:12 |
| ender_2070 | the best place to survive for a very long term would be underground | Nov 15 05:12 |
| ender_2070 | somewhere near a water body | Nov 15 05:13 |
| prurigro | and still, while an amusing possibility, I'm curious why you present this scenario as more possible than other possibilities? | Nov 15 05:13 |
| ender_2070 | prurigro - its something im working on | Nov 15 05:13 |
| prurigro | as a background for a story? | Nov 15 05:14 |
| ender_2070 | prurigro - i'm like alice, having gone down the rabbit hole | Nov 15 05:14 |
| ender_2070 | i've been researching conspiracy theories technically since I was 13 and interested in UFOs | Nov 15 05:14 |
| prurigro | been there- the answer to everything is everything :) | Nov 15 05:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Other away around for me. | Nov 15 05:14 | |
| ender_2070 | background for history | Nov 15 05:14 |
| prurigro | so you've read some of this stuff before? | Nov 15 05:15 |
| prurigro | or is this your own contribution to the collection? | Nov 15 05:15 |
| ender_2070 | I've read, watched, listened to this stuff | Nov 15 05:15 |
| ender_2070 | this theory I'm presenting in particular | Nov 15 05:15 |
| ender_2070 | it sounded insane at first, but it was more logical in my mind than reptilian aliens doing it | Nov 15 05:16 |
| prurigro | did they suggest why this might be more likely than the less fun explanation? | Nov 15 05:16 |
| ender_2070 | prurigro - well, if I didn't go back so far in time I would have been looking at the last 200 years | Nov 15 05:16 |
| ender_2070 | where Adam Weishapt and the Illuminati were planning shit | Nov 15 05:17 |
| ender_2070 | but they have bosses too | Nov 15 05:17 |
| prurigro | well we know there was a secret society | Nov 15 05:17 |
| prurigro | but its the "therefore this" that I can't understand the reasoning behind | Nov 15 05:18 |
| ender_2070 | they were involved in the french revolution, as well as funding and setting up Karl Marx and Engles | Nov 15 05:18 |
| ender_2070 | the same bankers involved in that setup the Fabian Society - its goal is a slow gradual conversion of the world to socialism - Fabias is their logo | Nov 15 05:18 |
| ender_2070 | coincidence theory - every labour MP in UK was a member of the Fabian Society | Nov 15 05:19 |
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| ender_2070 | one or two coincidences can be written off | Nov 15 05:20 |
| ender_2070 | but when you run into so many of them, its hard to | Nov 15 05:20 |
| prurigro | well I mean, think about it this way | Nov 15 05:20 |
| ender_2070 | its too easy to destroy evidence, sometimes that is all you have | Nov 15 05:20 |
| prurigro | you have a secret society of powerful people who can influence things | Nov 15 05:21 |
| oiaohm | http://applidium.com/en/news/cracking_siri/ Now this has a lot of issue. Phone bandwidth usage. Also idea of voice processing at some remote server. | Nov 15 05:21 |
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| ender_2070 | you have no secret people who can influence things too | Nov 15 05:21 |
| ender_2070 | non | Nov 15 05:21 |
| prurigro | like today's bilderberg group | Nov 15 05:21 |
| ender_2070 | yes | Nov 15 05:21 |
| ender_2070 | the content is secret | Nov 15 05:21 |
| ender_2070 | the fact the meetings take place isn't | Nov 15 05:21 |
| prurigro | the specifics are secret, but the big picture seems pretty clear to me | Nov 15 05:22 |
| oiaohm | And these days minutes of secret meets is only time before they are released to public. | Nov 15 05:22 |
| prurigro | money and power | Nov 15 05:23 |
| ender_2070 | Paul Martin used to go to bilderberg meetings | Nov 15 05:23 |
| ender_2070 | he is a Canadian politician | Nov 15 05:23 |
| oiaohm | Really no prurigro you are missing a factor. | Nov 15 05:23 |
| oiaohm | More and more jobs are being done by machine prurigro | Nov 15 05:23 |
| ender_2070 | it was there where they told him he had to fix the canadian economy | Nov 15 05:23 |
| ender_2070 | he was told to cut programs | Nov 15 05:23 |
| ender_2070 | etc | Nov 15 05:23 |
| ender_2070 | he almost cut healthcare but the official opposition used it against him | Nov 15 05:24 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: as more jobs are being done by machines, even more jobs of a more complex nature are opened up to people | Nov 15 05:24 |
| prurigro | I remember Paul Martin-- he actually saved us from what the US went through | Nov 15 05:24 |
| prurigro | by preventing the merger of the major banks | Nov 15 05:24 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: In fact no. | Nov 15 05:25 |
| ender_2070 | those major banks are still fucking us | Nov 15 05:25 |
| ender_2070 | pardon my french | Nov 15 05:25 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: there is a upper level to the number of complex jobs there are todo. | Nov 15 05:25 |
| ender_2070 | I would love it if Canada printed more of its own money | Nov 15 05:25 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: and there is a little on the numbers of people who can think at that level. | Nov 15 05:25 |
| prurigro | lol, yea, I wouldn't wish what those banks are doing on any country | Nov 15 05:25 |
| ender_2070 | 100% instead of 5% | Nov 15 05:25 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: we're not reducing the jobs though, we're jus tincreasing what we're able to accomplish | Nov 15 05:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] listening to #ThisAmericanLive, thanks !fsf for introducing me to it via the patents thing. | Nov 15 05:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @t1mdp al lang gedaan. | Nov 15 05:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @t1mdp is libreoffice eigenlijk nog niet geport naar android? #nieuwmasterproefonderwerp | Nov 15 05:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @Priang_el @Fiedelewie slapen is voor mensen met te weinig werk ;) | Nov 15 05:26 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @VincentVQ wat is er gebeurd? | Nov 15 05:26 | |
| prurigro | lost jobs are an economic issue | Nov 15 05:26 |
| prurigro | and if anything, introducing women into the work force was the biggest strain we've seen yet, technology simply renders certain people obsolete | Nov 15 05:27 |
| ender_2070 | nano machines :) | Nov 15 05:27 |
| prurigro | nano machines will change everything | Nov 15 05:27 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: fake nature will come first. | Nov 15 05:27 |
| prurigro | capable of engineering resources, noone will need to compete, and the race will be over, ideally | Nov 15 05:27 |
| ender_2070 | the problem is | Nov 15 05:27 |
| ender_2070 | most people don't work skilled jobs | Nov 15 05:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] BBC asks how widespread is male rape in African conflicts. Bluntly sodomy is easy to avoid if you do not want to bury your cock there. | Nov 15 05:28 | |
| ender_2070 | at least those I know, except my coworkers | Nov 15 05:28 |
| prurigro | everyone I know works skilled jobs | Nov 15 05:28 |
| oiaohm | And more and more non skilled jobs are going by by. | Nov 15 05:28 |
| prurigro | except for teenagers | Nov 15 05:28 |
| prurigro | who work at places like walmart and fast food | Nov 15 05:28 |
| prurigro | before going to university | Nov 15 05:28 |
| ender_2070 | when I was growing up I was pressured into taking *any* job, and my parents were mad that I was just applying for computer stuff | Nov 15 05:28 |
| prurigro | before or after starting your career? | Nov 15 05:29 |
| ender_2070 | before and during the beginning | Nov 15 05:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Poll: Is @bkuhn more like http://ur1.ca/5u3ik | Nov 15 05:29 | |
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| oiaohm | prurigro: the jobs that remain are the jobs we have not been able to replace with machines yet. | Nov 15 05:29 |
| prurigro | well I can't blame you for trying to stay on target with your career once it started | Nov 15 05:29 |
| oiaohm | Like fruit picking. | Nov 15 05:29 |
| prurigro | yo, I live in a reasonably big city | Nov 15 05:30 |
| ender_2070 | I knew people from school who could get computer store jobs and they were idiots | Nov 15 05:30 |
| prurigro | and noone picks fruit here | Nov 15 05:30 |
| ender_2070 | I wasn't going to settle for less | Nov 15 05:30 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: truck drivers will go by by. | Nov 15 05:31 |
| prurigro | I used to work for a guy who did shipping and receiving for a grocery store and he made like nothing | Nov 15 05:31 |
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| prurigro | like 16/hr | Nov 15 05:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] voted for "Joe Namath" | Nov 15 05:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Pack the polls in they are a pain in the arse. | Nov 15 05:31 | |
| oiaohm | Basically more and more jobs will cease to exist. prurigro | Nov 15 05:31 |
| prurigro | and he had a degree in chemistry | Nov 15 05:31 |
| prurigro | but had taken the first job that appeared and ended up too tired to apply for others for years | Nov 15 05:31 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - more and more will open up too | Nov 15 05:31 |
| oiaohm | Question is how long before shoping centre shelfs stack themselves. | Nov 15 05:31 |
| ender_2070 | prurigro - thats what I was afraid of | Nov 15 05:32 |
| oiaohm | ender_2070: If you look closer more are not opening up. | Nov 15 05:32 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - be a climate scientist, job 4 life | Nov 15 05:32 |
| oiaohm | They are not new jobs. ender_2070 | Nov 15 05:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @stav !Android #IceCream Sandwich source code now being pushed to git servers http://ur1.ca/5u3jj | Nov 15 05:33 | |
| ender_2070 | be a pure skeptic then | Nov 15 05:33 |
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| ender_2070 | murdoch will give you some cash | Nov 15 05:33 |
| oiaohm | This is the thing we have about hit a job devisity platu. ender_2070 | Nov 15 05:33 |
| ender_2070 | you're forgetting new technology will get invented which opens up jobs | Nov 15 05:33 |
| oiaohm | Really that is not what is happening. | Nov 15 05:34 |
| ender_2070 | we need to push technology further | Nov 15 05:34 |
| ender_2070 | got off this planet, and we can have a job for everyone | Nov 15 05:34 |
| oiaohm | Really to get off the planet we need to be able to take less. | Nov 15 05:35 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - Orwell solved your problem at the end of 1984 | Nov 15 05:35 |
| ender_2070 | lol | Nov 15 05:35 |
| oiaohm | This is the problem ender_2070 | Nov 15 05:35 |
| prurigro | wait, was this hate on climate science I heard? | Nov 15 05:35 |
| oiaohm | bio chemies adding OS to bacteria so they can be programed to make any chemical. | Nov 15 05:36 |
| ender_2070 | no | Nov 15 05:36 |
| prurigro | There's something computers will never replace btw | Nov 15 05:36 |
| ender_2070 | no hate on climate science | Nov 15 05:36 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: art? | Nov 15 05:37 |
| prurigro | not because they couldn't, but because creativity is enjoyed by others in part through understanding the person who created it | Nov 15 05:37 |
| prurigro | its humans bonding with humans | Nov 15 05:37 |
| ender_2070 | i concede there is warming, but i don't blame *us*, if anyone I blame corps and think they are doing it deliberately to kill us off (enacting oiaohm's job to person capita problem) | Nov 15 05:37 |
| prurigro | and art's in there | Nov 15 05:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Re British PM and the British in general wrt Europe. How long before the mainland Europeans loose patience with us and tell us to fuck off. | Nov 15 05:38 | |
| prurigro | even accounting | Nov 15 05:39 |
| ender_2070 | computers can create art and music, but need a human to make it good | Nov 15 05:39 |
| prurigro | not to mention, if a computer was the sole creator, that connection with the artist would be missing | Nov 15 05:39 |
| prurigro | but that's the extreme anyway | Nov 15 05:40 |
| oiaohm | ender_2070: Look at what is being research. Extend human live http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/09/110901142056.htm bio computers that can be intergrated into the human body. | Nov 15 05:40 |
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| prurigro | software development | Nov 15 05:40 |
| prurigro | product design | Nov 15 05:40 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - we won't get that | Nov 15 05:40 |
| prurigro | etc | Nov 15 05:40 |
| oiaohm | ender_2070: to travel to other worlds it the kind of tech we need. | Nov 15 05:41 |
| ender_2070 | ohhh | Nov 15 05:41 |
| oiaohm | Because you want to send the least number of people. | Nov 15 05:41 |
| ender_2070 | interesting, yes it could | Nov 15 05:41 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - that's the goal | Nov 15 05:41 |
| oiaohm | This is the problem we are facing. | Nov 15 05:41 |
| ender_2070 | also | Nov 15 05:41 |
| ender_2070 | they will solve that one | Nov 15 05:41 |
| prurigro | ender_2070: when you say you don't blame 'us', do you mean us in this room? | Nov 15 05:41 |
| ender_2070 | prurigro - us in this room, and normal people | Nov 15 05:41 |
| oiaohm | ender_2070: Exacty the goal is to be able to leave earth. | Nov 15 05:41 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - the goal of less people | Nov 15 05:42 |
| oiaohm | ender_2070: and in the process job requirements to do stuff | Nov 15 05:42 |
| oiaohm | drops massively. | Nov 15 05:42 |
| prurigro | if any of us are, we haven't been provided a way not to, and in that respect, I'd agree | Nov 15 05:42 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - they have already got a plan to drop the staff required in half | Nov 15 05:42 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - space colonizers will be hyrmaphrodites | Nov 15 05:42 |
| oiaohm | Also being able to fuse bio computer into human body | Nov 15 05:43 |
| prurigro | spreading our population out doesn't sound like a very permenant fix | Nov 15 05:43 |
| ender_2070 | i didn't spell that correctly | Nov 15 05:43 |
| oiaohm | would allow us to live in a more hositle envorment. | Nov 15 05:43 |
| oiaohm | Than what we currently can tollerate. | Nov 15 05:43 |
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| oiaohm | Maybe we have worked out we have stuffed everything up. | Nov 15 05:43 |
| prurigro | lol, wait wait, is this still the conspiracy theory? | Nov 15 05:43 |
| ender_2070 | end game is male and female in one body, with a computer link built in | Nov 15 05:43 |
| ender_2070 | for space colonization | Nov 15 05:44 |
| ender_2070 | yeah its a conspiracy | Nov 15 05:44 |
| prurigro | lol | Nov 15 05:44 |
| prurigro | kk | Nov 15 05:44 |
| ender_2070 | it makes sense though if you want to colonize space | Nov 15 05:44 |
| prurigro | hows it so specific? | Nov 15 05:44 |
| ender_2070 | less people if you only need 1 to reproduce | Nov 15 05:44 |
| prurigro | if you only need one to reproduce, your species dies off quickly | Nov 15 05:45 |
| prurigro | you need variability | Nov 15 05:45 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: bio computers | Nov 15 05:45 |
| prurigro | why reproduce at all then? | Nov 15 05:45 |
| oiaohm | the bugger can edit dna. prurigro | Nov 15 05:45 |
| ender_2070 | would you if you had genetic engineering ability and a planet full of samples ? | Nov 15 05:45 |
| oiaohm | Basically you could compress the complete human bio devesity to a single cell. prurigro | Nov 15 05:46 |
| prurigro | if my goal was to create a human alien hybrid | Nov 15 05:46 |
| ender_2070 | you send single pods everywhere and they can survive long enough to receive reinforcements | Nov 15 05:46 |
| prurigro | what's the strategy here though? to multiply and conquer? | Nov 15 05:47 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - my theory beind noah's ark is that it's a DNA storage bank, makes more sense than a boat containing EVERY pair of EVERY animal | Nov 15 05:47 |
| ender_2070 | just allegory | Nov 15 05:47 |
| ender_2070 | prurigo - multiply and conquer, assimilate other species | Nov 15 05:48 |
| ender_2070 | learn everything | Nov 15 05:48 |
| ender_2070 | the borg from star trek, allegory | Nov 15 05:49 |
| ender_2070 | this all sounds completely insane, but there is a method to the madness. | Nov 15 05:49 |
| prurigro | haven't we just turned into a more complex HIV if we decide to go that route? | Nov 15 05:49 |
| ender_2070 | interesting comparison | Nov 15 05:50 |
| ender_2070 | agent smith in the matrix | Nov 15 05:50 |
| ender_2070 | there is a book called 'The Third Eye' by Sophia Stewart | Nov 15 05:50 |
| prurigro | I like to think our purpose is to explore and understand; learn for the fun of it, and procreate only because that's as much of an experience as any other | Nov 15 05:50 |
| ender_2070 | it was plagariszed twice | Nov 15 05:50 |
| ender_2070 | Terminator, and The Matrix | Nov 15 05:51 |
| ender_2070 | the way her story went | Nov 15 05:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] 05.43 prayer for the day on radio 4 it is class not like those vicious nasty atheists trying to cause harm generally ;) | Nov 15 05:51 | |
| ender_2070 | it basicly starts off with terminator, and the end result is the matrix | Nov 15 05:51 |
| ender_2070 | as far as the plot goes, but john connor is in the matrix, not in the real world | Nov 15 05:52 |
| ender_2070 | its supposed to be an allegory for the second coming of christ, the author is a christian | Nov 15 05:52 |
| prurigro | what you're describing involves aggressively multiplying to conquer this place without even a need for what we'd gain | Nov 15 05:52 |
| ender_2070 | prurigro - isn't that the definition of our current system? | Nov 15 05:53 |
| prurigro | the majority of the philosophies in the matrix were taken from much older philosophy than anything written in the past 100 years | Nov 15 05:53 |
| ender_2070 | for sure | Nov 15 05:54 |
| ender_2070 | it goes back to at least Plato | Nov 15 05:54 |
| oiaohm | Serousally the tech we heading down make the borg from star trek look primitive. | Nov 15 05:54 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - yes it does | Nov 15 05:54 |
| prurigro | ender_2070: that's how certain, less desirable end of humanity prove we have the potential for | Nov 15 05:54 |
| oiaohm | Once you can build fully functional and programable bio computers | Nov 15 05:54 |
| prurigro | but we, right now, can decide what humanity is while we're in control, at least | Nov 15 05:54 |
| oiaohm | there is almost no limit. | Nov 15 05:55 |
| oiaohm | Remember you can extract iron and other metals using bacteria. | Nov 15 05:55 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - thats the problem with explaining my conspiracy theory with people | Nov 15 05:55 |
| prurigro | exactly-- so why use them to turn ourselves into some kind of virus? | Nov 15 05:55 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - i've assumed this has already occured in the past | Nov 15 05:55 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: simple fact here remember zombie insects exist. | Nov 15 05:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] voted for "George W. Bush" | Nov 15 05:56 | |
| ender_2070 | prurigo - hive mind bio computer took over from the neanderthals | Nov 15 05:56 |
| ender_2070 | like Hal, Skynet, countless other A.I systems in allegorical movies | Nov 15 05:56 |
| prurigro | well I mean, if you're talking about a horrific future that we haven't created for ourselves, sure, but I was under the impression this was somehow the logical thing to do | Nov 15 05:57 |
| prurigro | and while all logically consistent as far as I can tell so far | Nov 15 05:57 |
| prurigro | I think you've forgotten one important part | Nov 15 05:57 |
| ender_2070 | cheap economical and resource friendly space colonization requires less people | Nov 15 05:57 |
| ender_2070 | less food, etc | Nov 15 05:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Question.What do you call a mal functioning democracy? Not that it needs any help to be fucked up but the answer is constitutional monarchy. | Nov 15 05:58 | |
| prurigro | see, the Neanderthals aren't actually an ancient human like species | Nov 15 05:58 |
| oiaohm | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-1386717/Why-zombie-ants-infected-mind-controlling-fungus-kill-high-noon.html This is what nature can do prurigro | Nov 15 05:58 |
| prurigro | they're what we become once bio machines have modified us | Nov 15 05:58 |
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| oiaohm | Once you have bio computer you are not looking at always good outcomes. | Nov 15 05:59 |
| prurigro | and with this new age of technology, we're going to find outselves with the ability to travel to the past | Nov 15 05:59 |
| ender_2070 | it won't be the same past | Nov 15 05:59 |
| prurigro | which we'll realize is necessary when it becomes apparent that we are the species that travelled back in time originally to genetically modify human DNA | Nov 15 05:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Now this IS amazing - http://ur1.ca/5u3ya | Nov 15 05:59 | |
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| prurigro | it is the same past though | Nov 15 05:59 |
| ender_2070 | once you jump back it's another universe | Nov 15 06:00 |
| oiaohm | unless time turns out to be a loop ender_2070 | Nov 15 06:00 |
| oiaohm | Then the past is the future. | Nov 15 06:00 |
| prurigro | its not though | Nov 15 06:00 |
| ender_2070 | how do you loop when you can't go back | Nov 15 06:00 |
| prurigro | see, there are multiple universes, but they're all the same too | Nov 15 06:00 |
| prurigro | exactly oiaohm | Nov 15 06:00 |
| prurigro | maybe we triggered its beginning somewhere along the line, but as far as we're concerned at this point, we need to go back to sustain the future | Nov 15 06:01 |
| ender_2070 | the best theory i've researched says that there are parallel universes | Nov 15 06:01 |
| oiaohm | Really prurigro | Nov 15 06:01 |
| prurigro | here, listen to this | Nov 15 06:01 |
| oiaohm | Think once we can modify ourselfs what do we need to live. | Nov 15 06:01 |
| ender_2070 | time travel would make you jump into one of them, not your real past | Nov 15 06:01 |
| prurigro | they discovered a formula about two years back | Nov 15 06:02 |
| oiaohm | There are create on earth that we don't know how old they are. | Nov 15 06:02 |
| ender_2070 | how could you logically go somewhere you werent' before | Nov 15 06:02 |
| prurigro | that allows you to calculate before time | Nov 15 06:02 |
| prurigro | ie: prior to the big bang | Nov 15 06:02 |
| ender_2070 | hmmm | Nov 15 06:02 |
| prurigro | and what they found was that the was another universe with identical properties to ours | Nov 15 06:02 |
| ender_2070 | yes | Nov 15 06:02 |
| prurigro | however, the laws of physics operated in the opposite direction | Nov 15 06:02 |
| prurigro | meaning time travels the opposite direction | Nov 15 06:02 |
| ender_2070 | there would be one like that | Nov 15 06:02 |
| prurigro | yes | Nov 15 06:02 |
| ender_2070 | every conceivable possibility would have it's own universe | Nov 15 06:03 |
| prurigro | now, this universe mirroring ours | Nov 15 06:03 |
| prurigro | in every way except for its direction | Nov 15 06:03 |
| prurigro | is actually the same universe as ours | Nov 15 06:03 |
| ender_2070 | interesting | Nov 15 06:03 |
| ender_2070 | like a mirror copy | Nov 15 06:03 |
| prurigro | yea | Nov 15 06:04 |
| ender_2070 | why not | Nov 15 06:04 |
| prurigro | sustaining some kind of stability | Nov 15 06:04 |
| ender_2070 | if you have every possibility in it's own universe, why not the reverse | Nov 15 06:04 |
| prurigro | as possible outcomes attempt to break off | Nov 15 06:04 |
| ender_2070 | that makes sense | Nov 15 06:04 |
| prurigro | hmm, you brought up an interesting point actually | Nov 15 06:04 |
| prurigro | I was thinking about it in too few dimensions | Nov 15 06:04 |
| prurigro | and you're right, that still completely allows for a new universe to sprout up when you travel there | Nov 15 06:05 |
| ender_2070 | i've sure theres infinite in reverse | Nov 15 06:05 |
| prurigro | I stand corrected :) | Nov 15 06:05 |
| prurigro | have either of you seen the movie 'mr nobody'? | Nov 15 06:05 |
| ender_2070 | no | Nov 15 06:05 |
| prurigro | its jared leto haha | Nov 15 06:05 |
| prurigro | but yea | Nov 15 06:05 |
| ender_2070 | theres one that sounds similar to this | Nov 15 06:05 |
| ender_2070 | where a guy ages in reverse | Nov 15 06:05 |
| prurigro | its about a guy who lives the entire set of all possible versions of himself, including the null set | Nov 15 06:06 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: creatures exist that can age in reverse. | Nov 15 06:06 |
| ender_2070 | The Curious Case of Benjamin Button | Nov 15 06:06 |
| prurigro | and completely incoherent in respect to the flow of time | Nov 15 06:06 |
| oiaohm | bio make up has no requirement that we have to age in one direction. | Nov 15 06:06 |
| prurigro | well it sort of does | Nov 15 06:07 |
| oiaohm | Other than our dna being locked that way. | Nov 15 06:07 |
| prurigro | and sort of doesn't | Nov 15 06:07 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - perhaps there is truth in Satanic records being played backwards ;) | Nov 15 06:07 |
| ender_2070 | a time traveling demon would get to hear it properly | Nov 15 06:07 |
| ender_2070 | LOL | Nov 15 06:07 |
| oiaohm | en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_long-living_organisms prurigro read some of the top creatures here. | Nov 15 06:07 |
| prurigro | our telomeres shorten as we age, and while they can be restored with telomerase, the process of aging take place in whichever direction physics travels | Nov 15 06:07 |
| prurigro | we're the only species that I'm aware of that ages in the manner humans do | Nov 15 06:08 |
| ender_2070 | ??? | Nov 15 06:08 |
| oiaohm | Yes as insane as it sounds you could cycle between being a baby to adult and back again. | Nov 15 06:08 |
| prurigro | via telomeres? | Nov 15 06:08 |
| prurigro | haha | Nov 15 06:08 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: you'll really like mr nobody if you check it out :) | Nov 15 06:08 |
| prurigro | ironically, we've achieved eternal youth in any cell that becomes cancerous | Nov 15 06:09 |
| prurigro | otherwise its a tumour that grows itself to death | Nov 15 06:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] My car imitating @nybill's luggage http://ur1.ca/5u42w | Nov 15 06:09 | |
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| oiaohm | prurigro: reason for requiring bio computers to deal with cancerous | Nov 15 06:10 |
| oiaohm | The tech we are heading to is living for ever. | Nov 15 06:11 |
| oiaohm | I am not exactly sure if I want that. | Nov 15 06:11 |
| ender_2070 | david suzuki slipped something about a technology that could extend life to ~500 years, but take that one with a grain of salt | Nov 15 06:11 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: and for flicking the switch on telomerase in an extremely controlled manner, since processes like apoptosis are key to our functioning as well | Nov 15 06:11 |
| prurigro | I've seen a few actually | Nov 15 06:11 |
| prurigro | in fact, a friend of mine has built himself a lab to push forward in that direction | Nov 15 06:12 |
| oiaohm | ender_2070: bio computers promise more than that. | Nov 15 06:12 |
| oiaohm | The issue is will our minds take past 500 years. | Nov 15 06:12 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - I think the elite will get them | Nov 15 06:12 |
| ender_2070 | ironic, they keep doing things that are bad for them | Nov 15 06:13 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: we still need to understand the process before we start poking around in it too heavily, unless you're suggesting simply building a new body | Nov 15 06:13 |
| ender_2070 | inbreeding did a number, and now brain degradation | Nov 15 06:13 |
| ender_2070 | lol | Nov 15 06:13 |
| oiaohm | And the question is if we fuse perfectly with bio computers. | Nov 15 06:13 |
| prurigro | luckily, your memory is stored in your dna | Nov 15 06:13 |
| oiaohm | bio computers will be able to replace every cell in your body techically. | Nov 15 06:13 |
| oiaohm | 1 by 1 prurigro | Nov 15 06:14 |
| ender_2070 | prurigro - do you believe in genetic memory? | Nov 15 06:14 |
| prurigro | the question is though, are we our meat, or our energy? | Nov 15 06:14 |
| prurigro | ender_2070: I don't just believe, I've studied it in university | Nov 15 06:14 |
| oiaohm | Heck we could become part plant part human hybreds. | Nov 15 06:14 |
| prurigro | its not necessarily transfered in humans though | Nov 15 06:14 |
| prurigro | from mother to children | Nov 15 06:14 |
| ender_2070 | why not | Nov 15 06:14 |
| ender_2070 | not 'memories' | Nov 15 06:15 |
| prurigro | we haven't seen anything to suggest that we can, and despite it being possible, we might just not have evolved to take advantage of that | Nov 15 06:15 |
| prurigro | 'memories' could realistically be transferred actually | Nov 15 06:15 |
| prurigro | its not that ridiculous a concept | Nov 15 06:15 |
| oiaohm | Really you are not thinking the worse prurigro | Nov 15 06:15 |
| ender_2070 | what about grey matter in the spine? | Nov 15 06:15 |
| prurigro | the information in a memory is stored on the end of a DNA sequence | Nov 15 06:15 |
| prurigro | its possible we do transfer memories | Nov 15 06:16 |
| oiaohm | the worst option is the means to clone self. prurigro | Nov 15 06:16 |
| prurigro | we just haven't proven we do | Nov 15 06:16 |
| oiaohm | Ie make a exact copy of your self now. | Nov 15 06:16 |
| ender_2070 | i've heard some wild theories | Nov 15 06:16 |
| oiaohm | from a stack of bio computer matter you have laying around. | Nov 15 06:16 |
| prurigro | you can feed a rat another rat's brain matter, and it'll be able to solve a maze the dead rat had been taught more quickly than any other rat (without brain matter) | Nov 15 06:16 |
| ender_2070 | LOL and gruesome | Nov 15 06:17 |
| prurigro | actually | Nov 15 06:17 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: or just simple have the clone self. | Nov 15 06:17 |
| prurigro | I dunno if plants and humans could be hybrid | Nov 15 06:17 |
| prurigro | thinking about it | Nov 15 06:17 |
| prurigro | plants have a cell wall | Nov 15 06:17 |
| oiaohm | And where is that a problem. | Nov 15 06:17 |
| prurigro | making communicating with a system like ours incompatible | Nov 15 06:17 |
| oiaohm | cell wall would just make harder skin. | Nov 15 06:17 |
| prurigro | but our entire body is kind of like a brain in that it all communicates with everything else | Nov 15 06:18 |
| oiaohm | When you are talking bio computer controlled. | Nov 15 06:18 |
| prurigro | add a plant, and its the equivalent to adding a metal upgrade | Nov 15 06:18 |
| oiaohm | You are not talking full body hybreds. | Nov 15 06:18 |
| prurigro | but there's no input or output to control | Nov 15 06:18 |
| oiaohm | You can just do surface areas. | Nov 15 06:18 |
| prurigro | you'd be building something that's not a plant | Nov 15 06:18 |
| oiaohm | And its not animail either. prurigro | Nov 15 06:19 |
| prurigro | or you'd be using it like we have fingernails, maybe | Nov 15 06:19 |
| prurigro | it'd be something new | Nov 15 06:19 |
| prurigro | touche | Nov 15 06:19 |
| prurigro | you even made me say it :) | Nov 15 06:19 |
| oiaohm | It a hybred | Nov 15 06:19 |
| prurigro | a plant-animal HYBRID! | Nov 15 06:19 |
| prurigro | boo rah | Nov 15 06:19 |
| oiaohm | but its not like any hybred we have ever seen before. | Nov 15 06:19 |
| prurigro | I wasn't thinking on the micro level, but it makes sense | Nov 15 06:19 |
| prurigro | that said | Nov 15 06:20 |
| prurigro | why plant/animal | Nov 15 06:20 |
| prurigro | surely there's something more perfect than either | Nov 15 06:20 |
| oiaohm | plant cells are stronger to radition. | Nov 15 06:20 |
| ender_2070 | animal/amphibian | Nov 15 06:20 |
| prurigro | and cold, but they lose the ability to move around as easily for it | Nov 15 06:20 |
| oiaohm | amphidian has a hard time with radition. | Nov 15 06:20 |
| prurigro | not to mention, radiation isn't as huge a deal with nanobots | Nov 15 06:21 |
| oiaohm | But this is more harderning humans. | Nov 15 06:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] couldn't resist.....bkuhn == !gwb after all | Nov 15 06:21 | |
| oiaohm | nanobots are more limited at it than bio computers. | Nov 15 06:21 |
| prurigro | why not have the nanobots literally sitting on you, unseen | Nov 15 06:21 |
| oiaohm | Number they are nanobots | Nov 15 06:21 |
| ender_2070 | you could probably even engineer a type of skin that converts radiation into something else | Nov 15 06:21 |
| prurigro | and when something hits you hard, they quickly cluster together into a shield | Nov 15 06:21 |
| oiaohm | So radition can go around them. | Nov 15 06:22 |
| ender_2070 | is there any life that does that? | Nov 15 06:22 |
| prurigro | they could repair the damage though no? | Nov 15 06:22 |
| oiaohm | and if they do custer up to a point to be hard they will block you sence of touch anyhow. | Nov 15 06:22 |
| oiaohm | Basically cell wall you still have quite a resonable sence of touch. | Nov 15 06:22 |
| prurigro | or why not just replace your entire body with an equivalent cell made of a nanobot? | Nov 15 06:22 |
| oiaohm | You have to get the bio interface. | Nov 15 06:22 |
| oiaohm | nano machines and bio interfaces are uggly. | Nov 15 06:23 |
| prurigro | are they? | Nov 15 06:23 |
| ender_2070 | you could have the interface in your mind | Nov 15 06:23 |
| oiaohm | nano machines do not produce bio checemicals. prurigro | Nov 15 06:24 |
| oiaohm | You need bio chemcial to talk to nerve cells without damaging them. | Nov 15 06:24 |
| oiaohm | basically bio computer can talk bio simply. | Nov 15 06:24 |
| prurigro | I saw a video showing a nanobot that was capable of building any molecule, including itself | Nov 15 06:24 |
| ender_2070 | I thought a nano machine could rebuild anything at a sub atomic level | Nov 15 06:24 |
| prurigro | which had to be specifically programmed out of it | Nov 15 06:24 |
| prurigro | to prevent that particular doomsday scenario | Nov 15 06:24 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: problem is you need volume. | Nov 15 06:25 |
| prurigro | ender_2070: yea, that's what I understood as well | Nov 15 06:25 |
| oiaohm | 1 molecule is not going to cut it. | Nov 15 06:25 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: you use the same systems as currently exist | Nov 15 06:25 |
| ender_2070 | however, I thought that it left a grey goo behind | Nov 15 06:25 |
| ender_2070 | did they solve the grey goo problem? | Nov 15 06:25 |
| oiaohm | And once you start getting enough nano machines to produce enough volume you are now risking body own defence systems trying to stop it. | Nov 15 06:26 |
| prurigro | if your nanobots are effecient, and have the same quantity of precursors as your brain currently has available to it, why couldn't they produce the same result? | Nov 15 06:26 |
| prurigro | not sure about the grey goo, but that sounds problematic | Nov 15 06:26 |
| oiaohm | bio is simpler because we know how to coat cells so body systems leave them alone as well. | Nov 15 06:26 |
| prurigro | mind you, our own brains leave behind plaque | Nov 15 06:26 |
| prurigro | via reactions | Nov 15 06:26 |
| prurigro | which is another angle of aging ontop of the specifically programmed telomere route | Nov 15 06:27 |
| ender_2070 | the pineal gland gets calcified too | Nov 15 06:27 |
| prurigro | no kidding-- I wonder if that's partly why sleep becomes more difficult as you age | Nov 15 06:27 |
| ender_2070 | imo, part of it is flouride | Nov 15 06:27 |
| oiaohm | clean up some items nano machines will be good at. | Nov 15 06:27 |
| oiaohm | bio computers will be just simpler to interface into a human at first. | Nov 15 06:28 |
| oiaohm | Of course once body is completely replaced with bio computer parts converting to nano machine would not be a major problem. | Nov 15 06:28 |
| ender_2070 | nano machines are what will make the star trek shit possible | Nov 15 06:28 |
| prurigro | there's actually a compound we already know of that clears the plaques etc, so it'd just be a matter of getting the nanobots to release that compound and trigger the natural garbage collection process when required | Nov 15 06:28 |
| ender_2070 | you know that machine that turns air into whatever food you want | Nov 15 06:28 |
| oiaohm | ender_2070: star trek also had bio computers. | Nov 15 06:28 |
| prurigro | haha | Nov 15 06:29 |
| oiaohm | bio computers will be able to do the replacator thing. | Nov 15 06:29 |
| ender_2070 | the replicators | Nov 15 06:29 |
| prurigro | nanobots seem like they could fit the bill for that too no? | Nov 15 06:29 |
| oiaohm | For food and drink. | Nov 15 06:29 |
| ender_2070 | also, the Stargate "replicators" | Nov 15 06:29 |
| ender_2070 | dangerous | Nov 15 06:29 |
| oiaohm | nanobots will not make food with cells like we know. | Nov 15 06:29 |
| oiaohm | bio computers have many advantages. | Nov 15 06:30 |
| ender_2070 | i think theres enough bacteria germs and really tiny particles to make whatever food you want | Nov 15 06:30 |
| ender_2070 | via nano machines | Nov 15 06:30 |
| ender_2070 | in the air | Nov 15 06:30 |
| oiaohm | nano machines really not upto it. | Nov 15 06:30 |
| ender_2070 | maybe not on a space ship | Nov 15 06:31 |
| oiaohm | At least for the next 50 years. | Nov 15 06:31 |
| oiaohm | Bio computer might be able to offer it inside the next 15. | Nov 15 06:31 |
| ender_2070 | better enjoy your turkey, Geordi La Forge would be jealous | Nov 15 06:31 |
| oiaohm | Basically bio computers are a lot simpler tech to work with. | Nov 15 06:31 |
| oiaohm | Than nano machines. | Nov 15 06:32 |
| oiaohm | Because we are copying systems that already work. | Nov 15 06:32 |
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| prurigro | hmm, how are biocomputers directed, in that respect? | Nov 15 06:33 |
| ender_2070 | prurigro - I'm glad I met you, you're a very cool person to discuss random shit with | Nov 15 06:33 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: many different ways have been developed. | Nov 15 06:33 |
| prurigro | ender_2070: likewise, and oiaohm too :) | Nov 15 06:33 |
| oiaohm | flashes of light. | Nov 15 06:33 |
| ender_2070 | these types of subjects get me blank stares | Nov 15 06:34 |
| ender_2070 | lol | Nov 15 06:34 |
| oiaohm | entricity. | Nov 15 06:34 |
| oiaohm | ring dna bacteria uses. | Nov 15 06:34 |
| oiaohm | Nerve style interfaces. | Nov 15 06:34 |
| ender_2070 | neanderthals? genetic engineering? *whisper* did someone get out of the asylum?*whistper* | Nov 15 06:34 |
| ender_2070 | lol | Nov 15 06:34 |
| oiaohm | First task will be to make bio computers that can spit out medical drugs to order. | Nov 15 06:35 |
| prurigro | haha, they're my favourite types of things to talk about =D | Nov 15 06:35 |
| prurigro | and likewise | Nov 15 06:35 |
| oiaohm | So making the star trek universal neddle for everything possible., | Nov 15 06:36 |
| ender_2070 | McCoy can then give someone a pill that cures kidney dialasis | Nov 15 06:36 |
| prurigro | and yo, really, flashes of lights? | Nov 15 06:36 |
| ender_2070 | ;) | Nov 15 06:36 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: one of the proto types uses two different colors red to turn on and off different drugs produced from the cells. | Nov 15 06:37 |
| prurigro | oh man, big pharm is not going to like that | Nov 15 06:37 |
| ender_2070 | LOL | Nov 15 06:37 |
| oiaohm | And the drug produced is based on a binary code given to the cell. | Nov 15 06:37 |
| prurigro | the entire idea of copyright is going to have to go down the tubes actually | Nov 15 06:37 |
| prurigro | finally | Nov 15 06:37 |
| ender_2070 | it will | Nov 15 06:37 |
| oiaohm | Remember what I said about space travel. prurigro | Nov 15 06:37 |
| ender_2070 | except for art I think | Nov 15 06:38 |
| ender_2070 | art being music, movies, entertainment | Nov 15 06:38 |
| oiaohm | You think about how much cargo space taking the gear to make ever drug we need if something goes wrong will take up for mars. | Nov 15 06:38 |
| prurigro | haven't we already kinda broken that end of things down? | Nov 15 06:38 |
| prurigro | =D | Nov 15 06:38 |
| oiaohm | Then think mars is how long round trip. | Nov 15 06:38 |
| oiaohm | You can send data fairly quickly. | Nov 15 06:39 |
| oiaohm | sending physical drugs not a option once you are on mars. | Nov 15 06:39 |
| prurigro | hmm, if there's no limit to resources actually, then there's no need for money-- copyright ends when star trek begins! | Nov 15 06:39 |
| ender_2070 | the future of data communications is quantum entanglement | Nov 15 06:39 |
| ender_2070 | prurigro - resources might be unlimited but human creativity isn't | Nov 15 06:40 |
| ender_2070 | im sure people would still pay for art | Nov 15 06:40 |
| ender_2070 | the art would require to get better though | Nov 15 06:40 |
| prurigro | hmm yea, getting these on the market does seem like a pretty important step to travelling anywhere further than the moon doesn it | Nov 15 06:40 |
| oiaohm | O yes. | Nov 15 06:41 |
| oiaohm | Same with 3d printing prurigro | Nov 15 06:41 |
| prurigro | ender_2070: human creativity is incremental and based on whatever we have currently | Nov 15 06:41 |
| oiaohm | Basically space travel require compact. | Nov 15 06:41 |
| oiaohm | And very little in labor to produce stuff. | Nov 15 06:41 |
| ender_2070 | prurigro - im sure you'd still buy a ticket for a live concert | Nov 15 06:41 |
| prurigro | that to me says that its as infinite as anything | Nov 15 06:41 |
| ender_2070 | but | Nov 15 06:42 |
| oiaohm | Like idea would be not having to send a doctor | Nov 15 06:42 |
| ender_2070 | if money was gone, it would work | Nov 15 06:42 |
| prurigro | if the rock concert could live in a huge house and eat, drunk and do whatever drugs they might happen upon | Nov 15 06:42 |
| prurigro | without money | Nov 15 06:42 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4OrgF0hN1w | Nov 15 06:42 |
| ender_2070 | if resources were unlimited, no need for money either | Nov 15 06:42 |
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| DaemonFC | neat | Nov 15 06:42 |
| prurigro | yup | Nov 15 06:42 |
| prurigro | people would perform for others because they enjoy it | Nov 15 06:43 |
| ender_2070 | yes | Nov 15 06:43 |
| ender_2070 | there probably wouldn't be a need for government either | Nov 15 06:43 |
| prurigro | and we've already proven psychologically, that they'll enjoy it much more and produce a better product for it | Nov 15 06:43 |
| prurigro | if we could gentically modify our less evolved counterparts | Nov 15 06:43 |
| ender_2070 | change the time line? | Nov 15 06:44 |
| prurigro | imo, they're the only reason government is necessary beyond simply managing services | Nov 15 06:44 |
| ender_2070 | yup | Nov 15 06:44 |
| ender_2070 | imo, government goes far beyond anything we're told | Nov 15 06:45 |
| ender_2070 | its tyranny | Nov 15 06:45 |
| prurigro | yet completely lacks where they're actually needed | Nov 15 06:45 |
| ender_2070 | slavery with benefits | Nov 15 06:45 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: do you now see where the idea new tech producing new jobs is bit of a joke. | Nov 15 06:45 |
| prurigro | well slavery was the basis of the debt system | Nov 15 06:45 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: define 'job' | Nov 15 06:46 |
| prurigro | I mean | Nov 15 06:46 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - well, new tech could make money obsolete, and then jobs would be a joke | Nov 15 06:46 |
| oiaohm | Because the simple fact here is to leave this world you have to work out how to reduce numbers that you need. | Nov 15 06:46 |
| prurigro | some people will sit on their asses and do nothing with themselves | Nov 15 06:46 |
| prurigro | if they can | Nov 15 06:46 |
| oiaohm | Also you need to extend life. | Nov 15 06:46 |
| prurigro | but there are so many interesting yet completely pointless things I've wanted to do, let alone anyone else whose had to waste time taking care of less enjoyable things | Nov 15 06:47 |
| oiaohm | Now the other issue is the earth might be doomed to become human incompadible as well. | Nov 15 06:47 |
| oiaohm | Any time you are talking about survale the less humans the better. | Nov 15 06:47 |
| oiaohm | for resource problems. | Nov 15 06:48 |
| prurigro | resources aren't an issue | Nov 15 06:48 |
| prurigro | unless we're ejecting them into space | Nov 15 06:48 |
| prurigro | once you can turn anything into anything else | Nov 15 06:48 |
| oiaohm | Umm? | Nov 15 06:48 |
| oiaohm | The changes with world is going threw lot of food are going to become toxic to humans. | Nov 15 06:48 |
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| prurigro | I'm assuming you're thinking pre-biomachines | Nov 15 06:49 |
| prurigro | how so though? | Nov 15 06:49 |
| oiaohm | Higher C02 might make plants grow faster. | Nov 15 06:49 |
| oiaohm | It also makes them produce more toxins. | Nov 15 06:50 |
| prurigro | it makes more plants grow in general | Nov 15 06:50 |
| prurigro | what kind of toxins? | Nov 15 06:50 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - there you are blaming humans | Nov 15 06:50 |
| oiaohm | with less proteen and other materials as well. | Nov 15 06:50 |
| ender_2070 | what about ocean warming | Nov 15 06:50 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: natural plant toxins that have been there the complete time. | Nov 15 06:51 |
| oiaohm | Low dosage not a problem. | Nov 15 06:51 |
| ender_2070 | oiaohm - we would adapt | Nov 15 06:51 |
| prurigro | are you talking about overfarming soil? | Nov 15 06:51 |
| prurigro | and having plants pick less desirable things up from the ground? | Nov 15 06:51 |
| ender_2070 | prurigro - hes talking about the type of stuff that causes allergy but more general | Nov 15 06:51 |
| prurigro | pollen? that's an airborne issue | Nov 15 06:52 |
| prurigro | I thought you were talking about food | Nov 15 06:52 |
| prurigro | on that note though | Nov 15 06:52 |
| ender_2070 | more co2 = more mushrooms for example, more fungus in the air, which gets in your lungs | Nov 15 06:52 |
| prurigro | I usually get mild allergies in the spring | Nov 15 06:52 |
| ender_2070 | its a lot of steps to jump | Nov 15 06:52 |
| prurigro | and fall | Nov 15 06:52 |
| prurigro | but this spring I was walking with some friends outside | Nov 15 06:52 |
| prurigro | and literally went into anaphylactic shock | Nov 15 06:53 |
| prurigro | I could feel the pollen land on my tongue too, it couldn't have been anything else | Nov 15 06:53 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: I am not talking about soil problems. | Nov 15 06:53 |
| abeNd-org | "if the human race would just hurry up & end itself already, the environment can get back to normal" | Nov 15 06:54 |
| ender_2070 | I think hes talking about that kind of stuff | Nov 15 06:54 |
| oiaohm | I am talking about what cirso here did same soil same condidtions different co2 levels | Nov 15 06:54 |
| prurigro | my face was like twice the size-- like, you'd swear I was allergic to peanuts and ate a handful | Nov 15 06:54 |
| oiaohm | major difference in toxin levels. | Nov 15 06:54 |
| oiaohm | Worst effected was all the tuber stuff. | Nov 15 06:54 |
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| prurigro | toxin is pretty generic though | Nov 15 06:54 |
| prurigro | like for example, mushroom spores typically aren't bad | Nov 15 06:55 |
| ender_2070 | too many are | Nov 15 06:55 |
| oiaohm | It is generic but like the when pototos turn green the product a toxin so we don't eat those. | Nov 15 06:55 |
| oiaohm | Problem is what happen was normal non green pototos from high co2 areas had the toxin the same as the green ones from normal. | Nov 15 06:56 |
| prurigro | that's the growth of something that consumes a potato once its unable to sustain its protective layers | Nov 15 06:56 |
| ender_2070 | your bread would go stale faster probably | Nov 15 06:56 |
| oiaohm | Ie the same toxin level. prurigro | Nov 15 06:56 |
| prurigro | good thing I don't eat bread :) | Nov 15 06:56 |
| oiaohm | Basically it made it faster to the plant to grow prurigro | Nov 15 06:56 |
| oiaohm | It also makes it cheaper for the plant to make toxins. | Nov 15 06:56 |
| oiaohm | Ie its not just speed up plant growth. | Nov 15 06:57 |
| prurigro | so you're saying there'll be more dormant bacteria and mould spores etc waiting to crack open and ingest food at the rate food used to be broken down before preservatives etc? | Nov 15 06:57 |
| oiaohm | No these were natural planit toxins. prurigro | Nov 15 06:57 |
| prurigro | well keep in mind that typically evolution doesn't try a feature that has failed in the past | Nov 15 06:57 |
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| oiaohm | Yes it also reduced the bacteria and mould the plant was having to put up with. | Nov 15 06:58 |
| prurigro | and that plants have evolved away from expensive features like that to some degree already | Nov 15 06:58 |
| oiaohm | Note the word expensive to use. | Nov 15 06:58 |
| oiaohm | So plants normally use them sparingly. | Nov 15 06:58 |
| oiaohm | In a high co2 enverorment they don't have to be so sparing. | Nov 15 06:58 |
| prurigro | well if we're talking about pollen, that's an unintended side effect | Nov 15 06:59 |
| prurigro | so I don't picture them realizing and producing more, if anything they'll evolve away from that cuz we'll start cutting that particular plant down | Nov 15 06:59 |
| oiaohm | This was a very contained expermint. | Nov 15 06:59 |
| oiaohm | all the plants were clones. | Nov 15 06:59 |
| oiaohm | In each different enveroment. | Nov 15 06:59 |
| prurigro | if we're talking about psilocybe cubensis | Nov 15 06:59 |
| prurigro | small animals will die more easily, and humans will get a harder trip | Nov 15 07:00 |
| prurigro | rubarb and tomatoes may become inedible, if we follow this logic | Nov 15 07:00 |
| oiaohm | I am talking about normal toxins in the plant | Nov 15 07:00 |
| oiaohm | made by the plant cells themselfs prurigro | Nov 15 07:00 |
| oiaohm | No fungus or some other containinate. | Nov 15 07:01 |
| prurigro | rhubarb and tomatoes have poisons in the plant, wouldn't that be considered a toxin? | Nov 15 07:01 |
| prurigro | everything I mentioned is produced by the plant | Nov 15 07:01 |
| prurigro | and in support of your theory | Nov 15 07:01 |
| prurigro | no? | Nov 15 07:01 |
| oiaohm | Normal dosage of the poisons in rhubarb is harmless. | Nov 15 07:01 |
| oiaohm | But don't eat one form 10 co2 | Nov 15 07:01 |
| oiaohm | You will not be standing. | Nov 15 07:02 |
| prurigro | I think it can actually hurt you quite a bit if you eat its leaves | Nov 15 07:02 |
| prurigro | even now | Nov 15 07:02 |
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| oiaohm | Not that bad think ware talking a leaf from 10 percent co2 will harm you bad. That it might be the last thing you ever eat. | Nov 15 07:03 |
| oiaohm | That is the problem prurigro | Nov 15 07:03 |
| prurigro | the majority of plant toxins I can think of though, end up either working as drugs or are benign to humans though, since we've evolved in return | Nov 15 07:03 |
| oiaohm | Majority of plant toxins we can cope with while they are low doesage. | Nov 15 07:04 |
| oiaohm | The issue is rising co2 moves them from being low dosage to high dosage. | Nov 15 07:04 |
| oiaohm | Ie we evolved a tollernce not a perfect protection from them prurigro | Nov 15 07:05 |
| prurigro | well like psilocybe cubensis again, since its a good example, is quite poisonous to smaller animals, but humans can literally eat an unlimited amount, and the only way to die is from overeating | Nov 15 07:05 |
| oiaohm | Problem is a lot of our common foods like grains. | Nov 15 07:05 |
| prurigro | hrm? | Nov 15 07:06 |
| oiaohm | Contain chemicals we only have a tollerence to prurigro | Nov 15 07:06 |
| prurigro | I don't eat grains for that reason | Nov 15 07:06 |
| prurigro | well, unless you consider rice and what note | Nov 15 07:06 |
| prurigro | not* | Nov 15 07:06 |
| oiaohm | Where psilocybe cubensis we don't have the receptitor to the toxin so it can not work. | Nov 15 07:06 |
| prurigro | we do have the receptor | Nov 15 07:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | dear lord we're still talking about crazy people? | Nov 15 07:06 |
| prurigro | its just our systems are more complex | Nov 15 07:06 |
| oiaohm | No changed topic Diablo-D3 | Nov 15 07:07 |
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| prurigro | instead of talking about them, we decided to put on our sailor hats and join the singalong | Nov 15 07:08 |
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| prurigro | @oiaohm: I'm not challenging you because I don't believe, I'm actually curious but can't seem to find anything to back it up | Nov 15 07:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | [01:59:57] <prurigro> rhubarb and tomatoes have poisons in the plant, wouldn't that be considered a toxin? | Nov 15 07:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | potatoes. | Nov 15 07:10 |
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| prurigro | yea, I picked out the ones I could think of, but oiaohm was making it sound a little more wide scale | Nov 15 07:11 |
| prurigro | and are potatoes actually poisonous? | Nov 15 07:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | the plant is | Nov 15 07:11 |
| prurigro | I know they're the most vile things on earth once rotten | Nov 15 07:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | the root, ie what we call a potato, isnt | Nov 15 07:11 |
| prurigro | yea? | Nov 15 07:11 |
| prurigro | ohhh yea, I vaguely recall hearing about this back in the day | Nov 15 07:12 |
| prurigro | so the question then is, does the plant have the structures to send the poisons down to its root, if it has addional resources to play with | Nov 15 07:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | apparently not, or we'd be all dead. | Nov 15 07:12 |
| prurigro | (to become worse than it is now) | Nov 15 07:12 |
| prurigro | well yea, that's kinda what I'm thinking | Nov 15 07:13 |
| prurigro | so that wouldn't count-- and I'd assume similar things for rhubarb and tomatoes | Nov 15 07:13 |
| prurigro | surely there's existed optimal conditions at some time for a single tomato to do this and injure/kill someone | Nov 15 07:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | [02:02:28] <prurigro> the majority of plant toxins I can think of though, end up either working as drugs or are benign to humans though, since we've evolved in return | Nov 15 07:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, a toxin in a low enough dose IS a drug | Nov 15 07:14 |
| prurigro | well technically the 'toxin' in both marijuana and the ones in psilocybe cubensis have become so non toxic they can actually cause healing in response | Nov 15 07:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wouldnt say "has become" | Nov 15 07:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | because thats nonsensical | Nov 15 07:15 |
| prurigro | at that point I'd say it simply isn't toxic to us anymore | Nov 15 07:15 |
| prurigro | hrm? | Nov 15 07:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | the toxin didnt change, we did | Nov 15 07:15 |
| prurigro | well I'd meant it as the toxic had become while remaining static itself, thanks to our own evolution | Nov 15 07:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | and THC is hilarious | Nov 15 07:16 |
| prurigro | more than that | Nov 15 07:16 |
| prurigro | touche tho | Nov 15 07:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | its possibly the best anti-depressant we've discovered | Nov 15 07:16 |
| prurigro | 5-htp works pretty damn well too | Nov 15 07:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | er, which one is that? | Nov 15 07:17 |
| prurigro | the precursor to serotonin :) | Nov 15 07:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh. | Nov 15 07:17 |
| prurigro | works more often than ssris | Nov 15 07:17 |
| prurigro | in trials | Nov 15 07:17 |
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| prurigro | but comes from a seed extract, cannot be patented, and therefore is not even considered | Nov 15 07:18 |
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| prurigro | ever heard of piracetam? | Nov 15 07:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Nov 15 07:18 |
| prurigro | this stuffs amazing | Nov 15 07:18 |
| prurigro | it reverses the scarring alcohol does to your brain over time | Nov 15 07:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | so why isnt it being pushed in cults like AA? | Nov 15 07:19 |
| prurigro | it corrects the flow of acetacholine, essentially ending that part of cigarette addiction | Nov 15 07:19 |
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| prurigro | its effect on acetacholine and serotonin make it stop cravings for cocaine as well | Nov 15 07:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | so wheres the nobel for this? | Nov 15 07:20 |
| prurigro | it increases your serotonin receptor count by upregulation, resulting in a more balanced mood and better memory | Nov 15 07:20 |
| prurigro | its effects on nmda and acetacholine also significantly improve memory in that direction | Nov 15 07:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | better memory you say? | Nov 15 07:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wonder if I should go OD on that shit | Nov 15 07:20 |
| prurigro | it also effects your GABBA to reduce anxiety | Nov 15 07:20 |
| prurigro | you can't OD, its one of the safest chemicals we currently know | Nov 15 07:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | i think you missed the point | Nov 15 07:21 |
| prurigro | it also improves cognitive interconnectivity | Nov 15 07:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] oVirt.org is an example of moving out of a .Net environment and deploying it using Java/JBoss and open standards/source. | Nov 15 07:21 | |
| prurigro | =D | Nov 15 07:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have the worst goddamned memory sometimes | Nov 15 07:21 |
| prurigro | it increases glucose consumption in the brain as well as providing additional oxygen supply | Nov 15 07:21 |
| prurigro | so that the brain operates at a higher level with more clarity | Nov 15 07:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | let me guess, though, its borderline illegal? | Nov 15 07:22 |
| prurigro | haha, its completely legal actually | Nov 15 07:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | then why isnt it a common dietary supplement or something | Nov 15 07:22 |
| prurigro | because it can't be patented, and provides better and non addictive relief of both depression and anxiety than big pharma brands | Nov 15 07:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, people keep using that excuse. | Nov 15 07:23 |
| prurigro | who've been working to have it pulled from vendors selling it across the US despite being completely legal | Nov 15 07:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | if I was rich, I'd be running a company that would just mass produce it at the level they do | Nov 15 07:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | iyou know why? | Nov 15 07:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | because Im the goddamned batman. | Nov 15 07:24 |
| prurigro | lol | Nov 15 07:24 |
| prurigro | in russia | Nov 15 07:24 |
| prurigro | you can go to a pharmacy and pick it up | Nov 15 07:25 |
| prurigro | very popular among students | Nov 15 07:25 |
| prurigro | batman must live in russia :( | Nov 15 07:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | piracetam must be a miracle drug | Nov 15 07:25 |
| prurigro | it has more positive benefits than any other substances | Nov 15 07:25 |
| prurigro | and the only negative one is that exceptionally high levels of use might require choline suppliments every few weeks | Nov 15 07:26 |
| prurigro | (precusor to acetacholine) | Nov 15 07:26 |
| prurigro | its the original smart drug btw- if anyone's ever heard the term 'smart drug' referenced | Nov 15 07:27 |
| prurigro | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piracetam | Nov 15 07:27 |
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| Diablo-D3 | Im surprised Ive never heard of it though | Nov 15 07:27 |
| prurigro | everyone is when they find it | Nov 15 07:27 |
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| prurigro | if anyone does grab it | Nov 15 07:28 |
| prurigro | btw | Nov 15 07:28 |
| prurigro | get gel caps too | Nov 15 07:28 |
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| prurigro | it tastes like dying | Nov 15 07:28 |
| prurigro | also, ebay might be a good place to start looking | Nov 15 07:29 |
| prurigro | now that all the vendors have been forced to switch to other *cetams | Nov 15 07:29 |
| prurigro | and you'll wanna pay between $20-30 for 500-700 grams | Nov 15 07:30 |
| prurigro | oh, I forgot to add that it reverses general aging of the brain as well | Nov 15 07:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | "It is used by parents as a treatment for childhood autism" | Nov 15 07:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | son of a bitch. | Nov 15 07:31 |
| prurigro | and its shovelled into the mouths of down syndrome kids | Nov 15 07:31 |
| prurigro | it can also repair stroke damage | Nov 15 07:31 |
| prurigro | anyway, I'll stop plugging for that haha, I just wanted to add another thing to the list 5-htp and thc were on | Nov 15 07:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | excuse me while I become death, destroyer of the medical industry | Nov 15 07:32 |
| prurigro | actually lets continue that list-- psilocybin, one of the two main active ingredients in psilocybe cubensis, or magic mushrooms, seems to be the only thing capable of completely fixing a migraine, completely cures all histamine allergies and dramatically improves the capabilities of therapy | Nov 15 07:34 |
| prurigro | Diablo-D3: lol, lemme know when you're heading down and I'll join | Nov 15 07:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | prurigro: btw, re: migranes, no | Nov 15 07:35 |
| prurigro | hm? | Nov 15 07:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | LSD can do it as well | Nov 15 07:35 |
| prurigro | oh, sorry, yea, I meant that's been shown to do it | Nov 15 07:35 |
| prurigro | LSD also cures allergies quite nicely too :) | Nov 15 07:35 |
| prurigro | 2c-i too | Nov 15 07:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | they were doing clinical trails with the worst of the worst, the kind that even breath pure oxygen just to make it stop | Nov 15 07:35 |
| prurigro | and of course 4-aco-dmt | Nov 15 07:35 |
| prurigro | with LSD? | Nov 15 07:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | and theres a synthetic LSD relative that they were making thats has all the effects of LSD but not the trip | Nov 15 07:36 |
| prurigro | LDA? | Nov 15 07:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | and it worked perfectly every damned time | Nov 15 07:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | forget which one | Nov 15 07:36 |
| prurigro | there aren't many LSD analogs | Nov 15 07:36 |
| prurigro | since its got both a phenethylamine and trypitamine backbone | Nov 15 07:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | its been awhile since I read about it | Nov 15 07:36 |
| prurigro | despite being considered a tryptamine | Nov 15 07:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | but the thing is, they found a fucking drug that works | Nov 15 07:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | but the government wont have anything to do with it because they failed science in high school. | Nov 15 07:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, the entire government did. | Nov 15 07:37 |
| prurigro | if its LDA, its legal too, but you need to produce LSD to make LDA, which is why nothings been done with it, apparently | Nov 15 07:37 |
| prurigro | not to mention, in the US the analog law says "anything that does stuff like another thing that we say you can't have is illegal too" | Nov 15 07:37 |
| prurigro | meaning everything is illegal | Nov 15 07:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, even water. | Nov 15 07:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | its illegal. | Nov 15 07:38 |
| prurigro | ohh yea, I forgot about that structural tackon to the analog law lmao | Nov 15 07:38 |
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| Diablo-D3 | if it exists, its probably illegal | Nov 15 07:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | if its not yet illegal, the law banning it is probably being drafted as we speak | Nov 15 07:39 |
| prurigro | man I could not deal with living in a country that did that | Nov 15 07:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | welcome to post 9/11 USA. | Nov 15 07:39 |
| prurigro | technically, you'd need an entirely new class of drug | Nov 15 07:39 |
| prurigro | effects wise | Nov 15 07:39 |
| prurigro | cuz the analog law covers anything with similar effects | Nov 15 07:39 |
| prurigro | I wonder if bromo dragonfly would be considered an psychdelic analog on that note | Nov 15 07:40 |
| prurigro | well, I think I'm happy up here enjoying Canada while harper still hasn't blown it up | Nov 15 07:41 |
| prurigro | for now | Nov 15 07:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh dont worry | Nov 15 07:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | its in the process of that | Nov 15 07:43 |
| prurigro | Canada? Blow'd up? | Nov 15 07:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | the US wont leave canada alone and has been interfering with your internal politics for over a decade | Nov 15 07:43 |
| prurigro | true | Nov 15 07:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | soon you too will understand the phrase "post 9/11" | Nov 15 07:43 |
| prurigro | apparently it actually uses new zealand as a testing ground for pushing policy on us | Nov 15 07:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | s/new zealand/australia/ | Nov 15 07:44 |
| prurigro | lol, s/australia/australia|new zealand/ | Nov 15 07:44 |
| prurigro | ? | Nov 15 07:44 |
| Diablo-D3 | -_- | Nov 15 07:44 |
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| prurigro | depends on the policy type I think tbh | Nov 15 07:45 |
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| prurigro | new zealand is good for little trial runs, since its small | Nov 15 07:45 |
| prurigro | but australia is more closely comparable to Canada | Nov 15 07:45 |
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| Diablo-D3 | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/2-Bromo-LSD | Nov 15 07:45 |
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| prurigro | oh get out, the managed to attach a bromo group to LSD! | Nov 15 07:46 |
| prurigro | incredible | Nov 15 07:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | apparently all I had to do was wp for cluster headaches. | Nov 15 07:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | hurray for wp | Nov 15 07:47 |
| prurigro | I guess its too complex to bond to 5-HT2 receptors in the same way as LSD though | Nov 15 07:48 |
| prurigro | wp? | Nov 15 07:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | wikipedia | Nov 15 07:48 |
| prurigro | oh wow, apparently sleep makes thinking easier | Nov 15 07:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, yes it does. | Nov 15 07:49 |
| prurigro | or so my brain struggles to tell me before failing due to a lack of sleep :) | Nov 15 07:49 |
| prurigro | http://www.nickcannon.com/post/insane-sidewalk-chalk-art | Nov 15 07:50 |
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| prurigro | btw, if I offered to polish the site up here and there in a month or so when time is mine again, do you think this'd be a welcomed offer? | Nov 15 07:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | what site? | Nov 15 07:52 |
| prurigro | techrights | Nov 15 07:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | ask roy | Nov 15 07:53 |
| prurigro | well I wasn't gonna ask him until I had the time available to me | Nov 15 07:53 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes probably like TECHRIGHTS IS PERFECT, EVEN GODLIKE | Nov 15 07:54 |
| prurigro | but I was curious what kinda response you think I'd get before? | Nov 15 07:54 |
| prurigro | lol | Nov 15 07:54 |
| prurigro | but but, the js clears and redraws the tooltips via those black dots as the mouse moves | Nov 15 07:54 |
| prurigro | and the banner's compressed too heavily, leaving rainbow artifacts | Nov 15 07:55 |
| prurigro | and there's an overlay to make the main content softer that continues over and cuts into the content on the right | Nov 15 07:55 |
| prurigro | alas though, you're not the one to convince I'm sure :) | Nov 15 07:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | see, this is why I like my blog | Nov 15 07:57 |
| prurigro | ? | Nov 15 07:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | http://adterrasperaspera.com/ | Nov 15 07:57 |
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| prurigro | sick | Nov 15 07:58 |
| prurigro | I did not know you coudl do that with netcat | Nov 15 07:59 |
| prurigro | tho it makes perfect sense thinking abou tit | Nov 15 07:59 |
| prurigro | and yes, no immediate forehead vein for site design = A+ :) | Nov 15 08:00 |
| prurigro | ever used unison before? | Nov 15 08:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | no | Nov 15 08:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | what is it? | Nov 15 08:00 |
| prurigro | its like rsync, but syncs both directions | Nov 15 08:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | kind of sounds silly | Nov 15 08:01 |
| prurigro | and can do so completely without ports | Nov 15 08:01 |
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| Diablo-D3 | would rather use a distributed parallel file system instead | Nov 15 08:01 |
| prurigro | this is more for synchronizations when both devices are at some point the client | Nov 15 08:02 |
| prurigro | and at some point the server | Nov 15 08:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | do not want, too easy to fuck up | Nov 15 08:03 |
| prurigro | but yea, if I wanted a dropbox equivalent or something | Nov 15 08:03 |
| prurigro | well its interactive for conflicts, but fair enough :) | Nov 15 08:03 |
| prurigro | what distro you run? | Nov 15 08:04 |
| prurigro | and if you already told me the other night, my bad | Nov 15 08:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | would rather have app-driven git-like history and let the app merge it | Nov 15 08:04 |
| prurigro | git is the next logical step of unison | Nov 15 08:04 |
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| prurigro | its just much bigger | Nov 15 08:05 |
| prurigro | if you're dealing with something like a picture collection | Nov 15 08:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | metadata for such a collection would be gittable, the pictures wouldnt | Nov 15 08:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I use Debian, btw | Nov 15 08:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ive used it for over a decade | Nov 15 08:05 |
| prurigro | hmm, that's right, I was like 70% sure it'd been you | Nov 15 08:08 |
| prurigro | but wanted to double check | Nov 15 08:08 |
| prurigro | and hmm, one of the git docs I was reading explained that git version controls binaries | Nov 15 08:09 |
| prurigro | does it actually skip them? | Nov 15 08:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | it stores them | Nov 15 08:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | it cant diff them | Nov 15 08:09 |
| prurigro | oh, well yea, but you can recover a revision you mean? | Nov 15 08:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah | Nov 15 08:11 |
| prurigro | yea that'd make sense | Nov 15 08:11 |
| prurigro | unless it was using bindiff, but that just says if they're the same or different anyway I think | Nov 15 08:11 |
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| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?64915-Americas-neo-Nazi-leader-killed-by-his-10-year-old-son.&p=238613#post238613 | Nov 15 08:30 |
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| DaemonFC | It should be a defense at the boy's trial that he was raised by a criminally insane father who tried to indoctrinate the boy with a sick and twisted view of the world where minorities are responsible for everything bad and Christian terrorist extremists like the American Neo Nazis tend to be (Christian Identity crap and Timothy McVeigh-type cowards) are the "good guys". -me | Nov 15 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | of course that would make a big presumption that the justice system works | Nov 15 08:32 |
| prurigro | its better to let 10 guilty people go free than to put 1 innocent person away | Nov 15 08:34 |
| DaemonFC | All In The Family and South Park's Eric Cartman do a disservice to society in creating "lovable bigots" which are amusing because of how ineffective and stupid they are | Nov 15 08:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Planul cu care Băsescu vrea să câștige alegerile. Legea electorală, aranjată ca în 1946 http://ur1.ca/5u69j #romania #politics | Nov 15 08:34 | |
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| DaemonFC | when most of them are more like Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, David Duke, and Fred Phelps | Nov 15 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | people utterly devoid of any likable qualities who | Nov 15 08:35 |
| DaemonFC | *who draw in followers that are extremely stupid, yet tend to be violent and a danger to society | Nov 15 08:36 |
| prurigro | I suppose the alternative is what China does | Nov 15 08:36 |
| prurigro | where all organized institutions must be run through the state | Nov 15 08:37 |
| DaemonFC | unfortunately there's nothing stupid about these people, they're like little Hitlers | Nov 15 08:37 |
| DaemonFC | they get other people out on the street to be their band of armed thugs | Nov 15 08:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Vint Cerf: The government is going overboard in Internet copyright control http://ur1.ca/5u6av #cerf #internet #censorship #business | Nov 15 08:38 | |
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| prurigro | they're the scum of the earth | Nov 15 08:38 |
| prurigro | but they're also barely fringe society, unlike the almost absolute dominance these same types of people used to have | Nov 15 08:38 |
| prurigro | our job is to keep them in the fringe | Nov 15 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | right, there's a very small lunatic fringe on the extreme political left and right | Nov 15 08:38 |
| DaemonFC | and a broad spectrum that encompasses the remaining 95% | Nov 15 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | which are somewhere in between | Nov 15 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | even though not everyone likes Fred Phelps or Rush Limbaugh, a lot of them are just like them on certain issues | Nov 15 08:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Vinul Principesei, la Domeniul Coroanei Segarcea http://ur1.ca/5u6c6 #romania #segarcea #wine #monarchy #royal | Nov 15 08:39 | |
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| DaemonFC | just because the fringe groups are small doesn't mean their ideas aren't widespread | Nov 15 08:40 |
| DaemonFC | just means not everyone is a carbon copy of them | Nov 15 08:40 |
| DaemonFC | most people who hate minorities never let it boil over to the point where they go out and murder or leave flaming crosses in peoples yards | Nov 15 08:40 |
| DaemonFC | but their views have a more subtle impact on society | Nov 15 08:41 |
| DaemonFC | they vote for political candidates that agree to subvert groups they dislike | Nov 15 08:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] 6. None of the above | Nov 15 08:41 | |
| DaemonFC | they make hiring and firing decisions based on personal views and not facts | Nov 15 08:41 |
| DaemonFC | you don't have to pick up a bat or a gun to let your myopic view of fellow humans do harm to them | Nov 15 08:42 |
| prurigro | I used to debate people on fringe ideas by pulling out the otherside of the argument | Nov 15 08:42 |
| DaemonFC | only people with a very low intelligence level who can't harm the people they hate in legal ways tend to boil over like that | Nov 15 08:42 |
| prurigro | but I realized that this is exactly what these fringe groups want | Nov 15 08:42 |
| prurigro | since it makes the situation seem like radically left or right have nowhere inbetween | Nov 15 08:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | lol | Nov 15 08:43 |
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| DaemonFC | well, on the far right you have people saying we should kill Mexicans that try to cross the border | Nov 15 08:43 |
| prurigro | and yea, I think that's why 'intelligent people' have appeared to be left, to the right | Nov 15 08:43 |
| DaemonFC | and on the far left, we should make anyone that comes here a citizen and give them welfare even if they don't work | Nov 15 08:44 |
| DaemonFC | there's one issue I can name where they are both wrong | Nov 15 08:44 |
| prurigro | the right wing has targeted everyone with an IQ under a certain cutoff, and their tactics are unsettling | Nov 15 08:44 |
| DaemonFC | just in completely different ways | Nov 15 08:44 |
| DaemonFC | it's easy to get a band of unintelligent, violent followers who are mad at someone or some group of people | Nov 15 08:45 |
| prurigro | yea, I honestly agree with so little that gets proposed in pretty well any government except for a few awesome european ones | Nov 15 08:45 |
| DaemonFC | it's why violent radical Islam is spreading in US prisons | Nov 15 08:45 |
| DaemonFC | they target stupid violent people who may get out of prison some day with an ax to grind | Nov 15 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | very easy to shape and mold someone like that | Nov 15 08:46 |
| DaemonFC | and give them a target for their anger | Nov 15 08:46 |
| prurigro | or the aryan brotherhood for that matter | Nov 15 08:46 |
| prurigro | started in part by a native american | Nov 15 08:47 |
| prurigro | yup, it has nothing to do with the target except that it has one, and that this provides a mechanism of control | Nov 15 08:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | who are you talking to | Nov 15 08:52 |
| prurigro | DaemonFC | Nov 15 08:52 |
| prurigro | ? | Nov 15 08:52 |
| prurigro | can you see what he/she posted? | Nov 15 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Nov 15 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | it ignores me | Nov 15 08:54 |
| DaemonFC | or claims to | Nov 15 08:54 |
| prurigro | lol, so anyone who can't see you might be thinking I'm a crazy person at this point? | Nov 15 08:54 |
| prurigro | :) | Nov 15 08:54 |
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| schestowitz | there he goes again against Islam.. | Nov 15 09:00 |
| prurigro | it can be just as evil as Christianity | Nov 15 09:00 |
| schestowitz | he watches too much Fox | Nov 15 09:01 |
| prurigro | but its important to hate the religion, not the people practising | Nov 15 09:01 |
| schestowitz | where mister good chistian oreilly and his minions put those lines in Ryan's brain | Nov 15 09:01 |
| prurigro | ironic isn't it | Nov 15 09:01 |
| prurigro | well, the fact that O'Reilly's Christian and hates on Islam | Nov 15 09:02 |
| prurigro | rather, can't comment on the rest | Nov 15 09:02 |
| prurigro | but I can wish you all a good night-- good chatting all! | Nov 15 09:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] So True :-) http://ur1.ca/5u6sk | Nov 15 09:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] UK Judges Think US Makes It Too Hard To Get Patents, Lower Patentability Bar To Show How It's Done - http://bit.ly/vj4H36 insane | Nov 15 09:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] UK border checks were waived for travellers in private jets, emails reveal - http://bit.ly/sOZOdh impressive: #REAMDE spot on again... | Nov 15 09:26 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Adobe Donating Flex to Open Source Foundation; Continues Fire Sale on Formerly-Core Software - http://bit.ly/vuxjHL Open Spoon Foundation? | Nov 15 09:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] My ICT teacher can’t mark my homework - http://bit.ly/tTvzfA this is a national disgrace #uk | Nov 15 09:29 | |
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| DaemonFC | this coffee is still good, which is amazing | Nov 15 09:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Bulgaria, #Romania targeted for illegal caviar trade - http://bit.ly/uXA773 5-year ban needed now #eu | Nov 15 09:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #RIAA demands ReDigi stop selling used downloads - http://cnet.co/s27nJJ no surprise there #firstsale | Nov 15 09:33 | |
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| DaemonFC | it's been in my freezer for over a year | Nov 15 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | but I did vacuum seal it last time I used it :) | Nov 15 09:33 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Those rich people | Nov 15 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | Bogus Beluga is as serious crime | Nov 15 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | they paid $800 an ounce and they don't want the $400 an ounce raw fish eggs slipped in under counterfeit branding | Nov 15 09:34 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 15 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | they have a RIGHT to know that they are eating the right brand of raw fish egg | Nov 15 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | You remember Detective Briscoe in Law & Order? | Nov 15 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | I liked that character | Nov 15 09:35 |
| DaemonFC | some Russian guy gives him a free sample of caviar and he says "Crunchy, salty, I like it" | Nov 15 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | Russian guy says "$500 an ounce" | Nov 15 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | Briscoe says "I don't like it that much" | Nov 15 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 09:36 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 15 09:36 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lenny_Briscoe | Nov 15 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | ahhh | Nov 15 09:37 |
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| DaemonFC | he ruled | Nov 15 09:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Munch | Nov 15 09:39 |
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| DaemonFC | Detective Munch is a close second | Nov 15 09:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] First Listen: Kate Bush, '50 Words For Snow' - http://n.pr/vmkcqb all of it, online, free from #NPR; classic Bush (+ Stephen Fry) | Nov 15 09:39 | |
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| DaemonFC | If they had ever had Briscoe and Munch on the same episode, it would have been the best episode ever | Nov 15 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 15 09:39 |
| DaemonFC | hell, if the real New York Police Department was anything like these TV shows..... | Nov 15 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | I might have a certain respect for them | Nov 15 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | you know, fiction, cops that are concerned about doing the right thing | Nov 15 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | helping people | Nov 15 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | I think these TV shows are a form of submarine propaganda | Nov 15 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | you never have cops on Law & Order go up to a group of unarmed women that didn't threaten anyone and mace them all and laugh about it | Nov 15 09:42 |
| DaemonFC | no Tony Boloneys there :) | Nov 15 09:43 |
| DaemonFC | maybe I just read too much into it | Nov 15 09:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #W3C Announces First Draft of Standard for Online #Privacy - http://bit.ly/rYn33x they've been quiet recently... | Nov 15 09:44 | |
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| DaemonFC | maybe real life would make terrible TV and that's why we have TV | Nov 15 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | no Law & Order episodes where they go in and taser people for standing on a sidewalk they paid for because they're making rich people nervous | Nov 15 09:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Some thoughts on what might be #digitally #sustainable: http://is.gd/sYfv3n | Nov 15 09:46 | |
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| DaemonFC | Support Our Troops (unless they're with those Occupy people, then fracture their skulls along with everyone else's by shooting them with rubber bullets) | Nov 15 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | eh, Comrade MinceR? | Nov 15 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 15 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | the police remind me more of that deranged Android on Red Dwarf that is programmed not to harm humans | Nov 15 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | his targeting scanner says "Barely Human, what the hell?" and it opens fire on them | Nov 15 09:48 |
| *DaemonFC is bored and harassing another War Commander player | Nov 15 09:50 | |
| DaemonFC | I beam in, take out strategic buildings, beam out | Nov 15 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | he comes back, it takes hours to fix, he posts guards at the buildings I destroyed | Nov 15 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | I come back later and blow something else up he took protection away from earlier | Nov 15 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 09:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Why Google should buy Barnes & Noble - http://bit.ly/uIp5mp one way of supporting its anti-trust action against #Microsoft | Nov 15 09:51 | |
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| DaemonFC | this time I sent in two groups of my forces to take out his base power plants | Nov 15 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | now he can't do anything for hours | Nov 15 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | last time It was his war factory and tech center | Nov 15 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 15 09:51 |
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| DaemonFC | I smashed all the units he had that were a threat to my drones and then sent in an all out drone attack a few times over the last couple of days | Nov 15 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | all told, I made off with a few million units of his oil and metal | Nov 15 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | I just feel like fucking with this guy because he kept attacking my base | Nov 15 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | I've been hitting him back so much that he's barely been able to play the game much | Nov 15 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | too busy fixing his base to attack mine or anyone elses | Nov 15 09:53 |
| *DaemonFC holds a grudge, likes to retaliate by subverting others instead of attacking them outright and risk losing | Nov 15 09:53 | |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 15 09:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Giacomo #Puccini: Complete Operas and Other Works on #Spotify - http://bit.ly/rr57Vc a soundtrack for Italy's high drama | Nov 15 09:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] European Commission gives qualified thumbs-up to #IANA rebid - http://bit.ly/uiOYU4 good analysis | Nov 15 09:56 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: European Commission gives qualified thumbs-up to IANA rebid | News and analysis from .nxt .::. Size~: 48.8 KB | Nov 15 09:56 |
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| schestowitz | ""I think he said that both MonoDevelop and Visual Studio are serious threats to developers. " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/794998 | Nov 15 09:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 15 09:58 |
| DaemonFC | Mono has never been about making it easy to port Windows software to Linux | Nov 15 09:59 |
| DaemonFC | it's been about making it easier to port Linux software to Windows | Nov 15 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | every time there's been a notable port involving .NET <> Mono, it has always been Mono to .NET | Nov 15 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | like in the case of Banshee | Nov 15 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | or Pinta | Nov 15 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | while they were getting the Windows port of Banshee working, they decided that GTK 3 support wasn't a priority to them | Nov 15 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | 'and ended up hanging themselves when that was added to the list of reasons to remove Mono from Ubuntu | Nov 15 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | I see very little use for Banshee on any platform | Nov 15 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | on Linux there's Amarok and Rhythmbox and others | Nov 15 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | on Windows, there are neat ones like Foobar2000 and Winamp | Nov 15 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | either way, Banshee isn't going to give you an end user experience that does the platform you run it on justice | Nov 15 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | Banshee feels too non-native on Windows or anywhere really, that's not GNOME | Nov 15 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't even work 100% under KDE because they opted to use GNOME specific features instead of the more inter-operable Freedesktop.org equivalents | Nov 15 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | one of the Banshee developers got annoyed with me saying Mono was dangerous and Banshee was too | Nov 15 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | so I went back and listed all the practical reasons I could think of relating only to technical quality that made Mono crap, and Banshee too | Nov 15 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | at that point he simply stopped replying to me | Nov 15 10:05 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 15 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | the wonderful thing about Mono is that for any reason you hate it, you're probably right | Nov 15 10:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Viral video ‘Charlie bit my finger’ earned Charlie’s family £120,000 - http://tnw.co/sKKB3X new media | Nov 15 10:06 | |
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| MinceR | that's true of m$ products in general | Nov 15 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | I don't discriminate on technical grounds | Nov 15 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | I hate mono and java | Nov 15 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | but at least java is freely licensed and open for anyone to use | Nov 15 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | with the IcedTea project anyway | Nov 15 10:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Gates Foundation donates $30m towards rural Internet initiative in Vietnam - http://tnw.co/sxwyUJ + $3.6million MS sw to get them hooked... | Nov 15 10:08 | |
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| DaemonFC | just because it's not a legal danger doesn't mean I'm going to use it | Nov 15 10:08 |
| DaemonFC | I avoid anything that needs Java | Nov 15 10:08 |
| DaemonFC | just because I don't want Java on my system | Nov 15 10:08 |
| DaemonFC | SCOracle is pissed at Dalvik because it threatens to eat J2ME's lunch | Nov 15 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | by running better on the same devices | Nov 15 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | that's why they're lashing out at it | Nov 15 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | it's a threat to their J2ME licensing | Nov 15 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | if Google came up with something that was Java compatible but sucked as bad or worse from the user's point of view, SCOracle would have left them alone probably | Nov 15 10:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Firefox 10, What’s New? http://ur1.ca/5u7ul #mozilla | Nov 15 10:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | you find Microsoft, Apple, and Oracle on the same side a lot because they have one big thing in common | Nov 15 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | filing frivolous lawsuits against their competitors better products | Nov 15 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I hate to say it | Nov 15 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | but I more or less give up on Bloatzilla anything as my primary browser | Nov 15 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | they've fallen to a competition for second place with Chromium, on Linux, among the major browsers available on Linux | Nov 15 10:15 |
| DaemonFC | Opera used to be annoying, didn't fit in well with your desktop, didn't launch the right applications, brought its own private copy of GUI toolkits you may have already had....., etc. | Nov 15 10:16 |
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| DaemonFC | but now Firefox is more like that than Opera is | Nov 15 10:16 |
| DaemonFC | nothing bugs me more than the little and in the case of Firefox or old versions of Opera, HUGE inconsistencies and the feel of "huge bloated foreign application that makes no attempts to work like everything else I use" | Nov 15 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | or in some cases, even resemble the rest of the desktop | Nov 15 10:18 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox likes to do annoying shit like, using Oxygen icons no matter what you told KDE to use | Nov 15 10:18 |
| DaemonFC | or using GTK 2 file dialogs, in KDE | Nov 15 10:18 |
| DaemonFC | or not knowing how to open files | Nov 15 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | or not knowing what a Magnet link is even though you have at least KTorrent installed | Nov 15 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't even ASK what to do sometimes | Nov 15 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | just goes "herpa derp derp, what is a magnet:// url? derpity derp!!!" | Nov 15 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | "Duh, What do I do with a DEB? HERP DERP!!!" | Nov 15 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | Uhhhm, you're fucking running on a Debian system, figure it out! | Nov 15 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | shit! | Nov 15 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | At the very least, why can't they just throw it xdg-open's way and see what becomes of that | Nov 15 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | at the worst, it opens SOMETHING | Nov 15 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | oh, and my favorite | Nov 15 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | when the stupid fucking thing does ask what to do with a file, it makes you browse every file system and partition you have mounted to look for the right program | Nov 15 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | Opera says "Hey, you use KDE, I'll give you the options of what is in the KDE menu!" | Nov 15 10:22 |
| DaemonFC | gee, imagine that | Nov 15 10:22 |
| MinceR | you could just type it in :> | Nov 15 10:22 |
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| DaemonFC | it only took proprietary software to figure out it's on Linux and KDE and do the Linux and KDE things | Nov 15 10:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Fabio Erculiani, #Sabayon Linux http://ur1.ca/5u7yy awesome guy | Nov 15 10:23 | |
| DaemonFC | the open source one, Bloatzilla, sits there with its thumb up its ass over obvious things | Nov 15 10:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Missing content type. Ignoring. | Nov 15 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | and makes you browse /usr/bin to try to find something to use to open the obvious thing it can't open | Nov 15 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | oh, with the GTK file dialog I so hate | Nov 15 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | you can't can't hate Firefox, it's "Open source" | Nov 15 10:24 |
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| DaemonFC | that makes it immune from criticism | Nov 15 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | clearly you should bend over backwards when it does something entirely stupid and counterintuitive because it is open source | Nov 15 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | no thanks | Nov 15 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | I avoided Opera for years because it did the same shit that Firefox does now | Nov 15 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | they were equally terrible, the only deciding factor was that Opera was proprietary | Nov 15 10:25 |
| schestowitz | Opera is good | Nov 15 10:27 |
| schestowitz | technically | Nov 15 10:27 |
| schestowitz | but I can compromise for freedom | Nov 15 10:27 |
| schestowitz | unlike you, Harmonfarmer | Nov 15 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox isn't a compromise | Nov 15 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | it's admitting that no matter how bad it is or how many Microsoft deals they make involving it or how little they think of Linux | Nov 15 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | you will use it because it is nominally, open source | Nov 15 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | calling Firefox a compromise is like saying you compromise with your wife by doing whatever she wants to do | Nov 15 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | it means you've given up trying to do things the way you want them done and call it compromising to save face | Nov 15 10:29 |
| schestowitz | I look forward to the talk tonight... wanna see my old slides from these talks? ... back then I even had a guy from south America volunteer to translate the whole thing into Spanish. He later translated about 300 of my articles to Spanish as well, and distributed these in schools for increased impact. | Nov 15 10:30 |
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| DaemonFC | you can compromise your way all the way to Gnewsense if you want to | Nov 15 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | it's your system ;) | Nov 15 10:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] UK: Contact your MP now: On Thu Nov 24 Parliament debates Assange & other extradition cases http://t.co/XqzccOOH http://t.co/RAPXDhOv | Nov 15 10:31 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 15 10:31 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: right :-) | Nov 15 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | you can't compromise and be entirely one-sided at the same time | Nov 15 10:31 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Nov 15 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | it's just not how compromising works | Nov 15 10:31 |
| schestowitz | Took me ages catching up with last night's conversation | Nov 15 10:31 |
| schestowitz | This almost exceeded my scrolling buffer in konversation | Nov 15 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | nice | Nov 15 10:32 |
| schestowitz | I was at work all night last night, couldn't get involved | Nov 15 10:32 |
| MinceR | good thing that giving up dozens of features and extensions is "doing things the way i do" | Nov 15 10:32 |
| MinceR | in the world where everyone thinks like DaemonFC | Nov 15 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | mine seems to crash when it gets more stuff than its tiny little mind can handle | Nov 15 10:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] cool reasons to use the K Desktop Environment http://ur1.ca/5u84x #kde | Nov 15 10:33 | |
| MinceR | one people, one empire, one browser | Nov 15 10:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 2 cool reasons to use the K Desktop Environment .::. Size~: 123.1 KB | Nov 15 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | IE on Windows is the other side of one-sidedness | Nov 15 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | Icewhatever on Gnewsense is the other extreme | Nov 15 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | either one of those situations is bad | Nov 15 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | but don't let me stop you | Nov 15 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | Oh noez, it goes to the site that the site that used a missing plug in says the plug in is at! | Nov 15 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | Can't have that, the plug-in might not be free enough! | Nov 15 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | lets patch it to recommend ours that doesn't work but is free! | Nov 15 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 15 10:35 |
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| DaemonFC | it's the other side of extremism | Nov 15 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | we can't possibly trust the user to evaluate the situation, think for himself, and act on his own volition! | Nov 15 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | we must censor it with foreign patching | Nov 15 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | FREEDOM!!! | Nov 15 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Nov 15 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | it's possible to go entirely overboard and start tilting at windmills | Nov 15 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | Trisquel and Gnewsense are at that point | Nov 15 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | of course it doesn't stop them from claiming they influenced a company decision by changing the defaults on something of theirs you'd be insane to use | Nov 15 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | SGI agreed that there was a GLX licensing issue, fixed the issue, and thanked them | Nov 15 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | dropping GLX from Gnewsense didn't change the flow at all | Nov 15 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | it just allowed the FSF to swoop in after the fact and declare victory over the "evil software company" | Nov 15 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | Then I'm sitting here saying "Yeah, whatever. Thanks to SGI for putting up with these clowns and fixing the issue like they would have anyway if the FSF wasn't so overly dramatic about the whole process" | Nov 15 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 10:40 |
| MinceR | yes, everything is an extreme except opera | Nov 15 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | you could try asking nicely instead of barging in and making a complete ass out of yourself | Nov 15 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | or at least put that option on the back burner while you try asking politely | Nov 15 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | RMS never does this | Nov 15 10:41 |
| MinceR | except that's pretty much their modus operandi about GPL violations | Nov 15 10:41 |
| MinceR | for example | Nov 15 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | Why can't they ask nicely? | Nov 15 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | then when it doesn't work they can say "We tried being nice" | Nov 15 10:42 |
| MinceR | they can and they often do | Nov 15 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | btw, GLX was never a GPL violation | Nov 15 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | they just considered teh FreeB 1.0 license to not meet their FSF definition of free | Nov 15 10:42 |
| MinceR | it was an example | Nov 15 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | it passed the OSI open source definition and the DFSG | Nov 15 10:42 |
| MinceR | the OSD was derived from the DFSG, no surprise there | Nov 15 10:43 |
| MinceR | they're almost or entirely identical | Nov 15 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | if FSF had walked up and said something like "Excuse us, we noticed your license makes this impossible to distribute under our guidelines. Would you please consider fixing it?" it would have been OK' | Nov 15 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | instead, they deleted it from all "free" Linux distributions with no warning to SGI or their own users | Nov 15 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | and then did cartwheels around the whole issue, jumping up and down with their whole "Look at me, I'm an attention whore" show | Nov 15 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | and at the same time, they shipped stolen source code for AFIO that someone illegally relicensed 10 years ago | Nov 15 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | FREEDOM! | Nov 15 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | ;) | Nov 15 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | they do such bizarre and seemingly senseless things that it's harder to take them seriously the more you watch them | Nov 15 10:46 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] OpenOffice.org: Five Months of Incubation at ASF | Nov 15 10:46 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] How come no new releases of OOo in so long? #oracle #apache | Nov 15 10:46 | |
| DaemonFC | and now I noticed RPM Fusion's project is shipping stolen source code which was illegally relicensed | Nov 15 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | even after I warned them they were doing that and one of them even brought it up in their bugzilla entry about including this AAC codec software in question | Nov 15 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | so they ignore freedom and little things like illegal relicensing where it suits them | Nov 15 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | and make a big issue over minor problems like GLX | Nov 15 10:48 |
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| DaemonFC | I think the FSF's stated goals are admirable, but the way they operate is pretty slimy if you stop and think about it for a bit | Nov 15 10:49 |
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| schestowitz | examples? | Nov 15 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | so I think the OSI is actually better than they are in practical real world situations | Nov 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | OSI is useless now | Nov 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | They do nothing, not even blog | Nov 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | And one of them, http://www.linkedin.com/in/danesecooper , is not serving the Borg | Nov 15 10:50 |
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| schestowitz | She joined Gates' club | Nov 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | They offered her money to openwash Gates' empire of patents | Nov 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | For shame. | Nov 15 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Stop calling Microsoft the Borg | Nov 15 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | it's just wrong | Nov 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | Berg? | Nov 15 10:50 |
| schestowitz | Brag? | Nov 15 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | they're more like the Ferengi if you have to call them something Trekky | Nov 15 10:51 |
| schestowitz | Bong? | Nov 15 10:51 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Nov 15 10:51 |
| schestowitz | Good point, mate | Nov 15 10:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Westford encourages #RedHat to stay http://ur1.ca/5u8do #nc | Nov 15 10:51 | |
| schestowitz | But.. | Nov 15 10:51 |
| schestowitz | Why insult a whole species? | Nov 15 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | Borg implies that they are efficient | Nov 15 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | have solid plans for domination | Nov 15 10:51 |
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| schestowitz | They are not responsible for the action of the man who sweats like a pig | Nov 15 10:52 |
| schestowitz | In fact, they might take offence in that | Nov 15 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | are good at integrating other peoples things into their own | Nov 15 10:52 |
| schestowitz | And claim you generalise based on Ballmer, saying they look alike | Nov 15 10:52 |
| schestowitz | Or comparing them to black people | Nov 15 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | calling them Ferengi implies SweatyB dancing around in a Windows commercial | Nov 15 10:52 |
| schestowitz | Let's not stir up *that*& hornets' nest | Nov 15 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | 20 bars of Latinum, except in Nebraska! | Nov 15 10:52 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer had too much helium that day | Nov 15 10:53 |
| schestowitz | Explains his voice, too | Nov 15 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | calling them Borg is bordering on a compliment | Nov 15 10:53 |
| schestowitz | Yelping like a gurl | Nov 15 10:53 |
| schestowitz | and on a high | Nov 15 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | Ferengi implies they're con artists | Nov 15 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | and theives | Nov 15 10:53 |
| schestowitz | right.. | Nov 15 10:53 |
| schestowitz | But.. | Nov 15 10:53 |
| schestowitz | Even Ferengi did not engage in rackteering | Nov 15 10:54 |
| DaemonFC | and only guided by their own rules of acquisition | Nov 15 10:54 |
| schestowitz | It's like comparing Bush to Hitler | Nov 15 10:54 |
| schestowitz | You don't wanna do that /srcasm | Nov 15 10:54 |
| schestowitz | ohMy! Nazi humour! | Nov 15 10:54 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: BTW | Nov 15 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | Ballmer doesn't have really big ears | Nov 15 10:55 |
| schestowitz | Check out what OMGUbuntu'\s media company is called | Nov 15 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | but he does have a really fat ass | Nov 15 10:55 |
| DaemonFC | is that close enough? | Nov 15 10:55 |
| schestowitz | Something like "Oh" something | Nov 15 10:55 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: I don't think he has an arse actually | Nov 15 10:55 |
| schestowitz | overweight people don't always have an arse | Nov 15 10:55 |
| schestowitz | Ballmer is a slob | Nov 15 10:56 |
| schestowitz | His whole body type is that of a developed ape | Nov 15 10:56 |
| schestowitz | Not much more | Nov 15 10:56 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: some people sturggle to keep their pants on without belt or suspenders because their 'girth' is far sider than the hips | Nov 15 10:57 |
| schestowitz | *wider | Nov 15 10:57 |
| schestowitz | LOL http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAxNTE | Nov 15 10:58 |
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| schestowitz | Check out that foundation in fearonix | Nov 15 10:58 |
| schestowitz | Now, let me find you what BN has.. | Nov 15 10:59 |
| schestowitz | I man, fountain | Nov 15 10:59 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/novell-piss-partial.png | Nov 15 11:00 |
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| DaemonFC | lets see | Nov 15 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | how best to harass my enemy? | Nov 15 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | I think I will lure his tanks out and bomb them | Nov 15 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 11:02 |
| schestowitz | "Because all the real talent went to LibreOffice? I've used both, right after the fork, and it was obvious then that it was at least as stable, while lighter and subsequently faster. And in that short period of time, some improvements were already incorporated also, besides code base rejuvenation. Some things were left behind - templates for Impress, for example, but the older ones for OO Impress still fit. " http://joindiaspora.com/ | Nov 15 11:05 |
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| schestowitz | posts/820150 | Nov 15 11:05 |
| schestowitz | http://joindiaspora.com/posts/820150 | Nov 15 11:05 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: your parallel world again | Nov 15 11:05 |
| schestowitz | World of World of Ryanson | Nov 15 11:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 15 11:05 |
| schestowitz | I am getting an empty article on http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9221678/Linux_loses_its_luster_as_a_darling_among_developers | Nov 15 11:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux loses its luster as a darling among developers - Computerworld .::. Size~: 140.82 KB | Nov 15 11:18 |
| schestowitz | Anyone else? | Nov 15 11:18 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it's just like this on my browser | Nov 15 11:18 |
| schestowitz | Please do not download #OpenSUSE as it is helping Microsoft. http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2007/11/novell-piss-partial.png | Nov 15 11:18 |
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| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 15 11:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Is Ubuntu’s Dominance Slipping? http://ur1.ca/5u8wr #ubuntu | Nov 15 11:21 | |
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| schestowitz | "I don't like that. What about the community and payed devs doing a good job in all these foss projects? Don't blame them for politics they haven't deside. " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/820272 | Nov 15 11:22 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: I can see that (stupid) article in computerworld.com using Firefox 4.0. | Nov 15 11:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 15 11:22 |
| schestowitz | The point is, the community does not get to decide. Novell makes those decisions without it. Thus, Novell needs to be shunned. It's taking orders (and money) from Redmond. | Nov 15 11:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #PCLinuxOS is probably the most underrated GNU/Linux distribution these days. It's not all about Mint. | Nov 15 11:23 | |
| schestowitz | msb__: does it have a point? | Nov 15 11:23 |
| schestowitz | In Thunderbrowse I get an empty article div | Nov 15 11:23 |
| msb__ | "OS X is now the primary development platform of 7.9% of developers, the survey found, while only 5.6% of developers use Linux." | Nov 15 11:23 |
| schestowitz | I wonder, what is their contention based on? | Nov 15 11:23 |
| schestowitz | Many people I speak to here (non-techies) turn out to have used Linux | Nov 15 11:24 |
| schestowitz | And the UK is still relatively Linux-hostile | Nov 15 11:24 |
| schestowitz | msb__: what developers? | Nov 15 11:24 |
| schestowitz | who did the survey? | Nov 15 11:24 |
| schestowitz | Eclipse survey showed that most developers use Linux | Nov 15 11:24 |
| msb__ | You can read the article using lynx. 8^) | Nov 15 11:24 |
| schestowitz | and that like 80% of them deploy on Linux | Nov 15 11:24 |
| schestowitz | msb__: I think I'll pass | Nov 15 11:25 |
| schestowitz | The headline is a generalisation | Nov 15 11:25 |
| schestowitz | It doesn't tell the news | Nov 15 11:25 |
| schestowitz | THey could say what survey said about a group studies | Nov 15 11:25 |
| schestowitz | Instead they try to make it seem like asking a few *selected* devs is a thing to be extrapolated | Nov 15 11:25 |
| schestowitz | Typical IDG | Nov 15 11:25 |
| schestowitz | Remember it's paid by MS | Nov 15 11:25 |
| schestowitz | IDC | Nov 15 11:25 |
| msb__ | A lot more of the article shows up in lynx than in firefox. | Nov 15 11:25 |
| schestowitz | IDC spreads the fake anti-Linux stats | Nov 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | Where they only measure TOTAL REVENUE on PREINSTALLS | Nov 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | Real surveys work like a census, but Microsoft wouldn't contract IDC to do *that* | Nov 15 11:26 |
| schestowitz | “Analysts sell out - that’s their business model" --Microsoft Corporation http://techrights.org/wp-content/uploads/2008/08/comes-3096.pdf | Nov 15 11:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://itmanagement.earthweb.com/osrc/article.php/3687616/Can-Linux-Adoption-Ever-be-Accurately-Gauged.htm | Nov 15 11:31 |
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| schestowitz | There is some troll in TR who tries calling me a liahhh! :-) The trolls love doing that to discredit my message and get people to ignore the evidence. | Nov 15 11:33 |
| schestowitz | Typical tactics | Nov 15 11:33 |
| msb__ | I just got a bunch of objective-C books and it seems it's mostly used for Mac OSX and iphone programs. Obj-C is a much more friendly language than C++. How come we don't use it? | Nov 15 11:36 |
| DaemonFC | lol, I got all of that guys resources with 2 minutes left on the clock | Nov 15 11:41 |
| msb__ | There is a GNU compiler and library for it. Apparently it's closer to Smalltalk than C++ is. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Objective-C | Nov 15 11:41 |
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| DaemonFC | so I told the computer to fly my drones for the remaining 2 minutes and shoot at whatever they were closest too | Nov 15 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | and went to take a leak | Nov 15 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | it's going to be a while before he's back up and running B-) | Nov 15 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer destroyed Jonathan's base in War Commander! | Nov 15 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | Unstoppable war machine! | Nov 15 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | The Empire of Farmerstan grows larger B-) | Nov 15 11:42 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Is there any way you can do this stuff to Microsoft? | Nov 15 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | I started out the attack by having my tanks go after his anti-aircraft turrets | Nov 15 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | and while his tanks were busy responding, I ordered my drones in and told them to target the column of tanks | Nov 15 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | by that time the AA was destroyed so I told all ground units to fire on the lead tank | Nov 15 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 15 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | there's a pile of burned up tank remains on his map | Nov 15 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 15 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | I suspect he will be pissed | Nov 15 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | a most glorious victory for the Empire | Nov 15 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | wouldn't you say, schestowitz? :) | Nov 15 11:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @Coadec Ed Quilty: Approach to stopping revenue of pirate sites is internationally recognised #Hargreaves >>what's that? #SOPA | Nov 15 11:49 | |
| DaemonFC | I thought about exiting then I figured it would be a bad idea to leave anything standing | Nov 15 11:50 |
| DaemonFC | no reason to let him rebuild faster in order to threaten me B-) | Nov 15 11:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] I like the metaphor @ http://ur1.ca/5u5ba #gnu #linux | Nov 15 11:51 | |
| DaemonFC | looking at the game's AI, it seems to prioritize targets by level of threat they pose to friendly units in the area, and failing that, by the value they are to the enemy | Nov 15 11:51 |
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| schestowitz | Empire of Farmerstan? | Nov 15 11:52 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed once I switched on the AI, it ordered my drones to take out the mortar installations while my ground forces followed after the mortar threats were neutralized | Nov 15 11:52 |
| schestowitz | Did you really call it that? | Nov 15 11:52 |
| schestowitz | Did you liberate them by spreading communism? | Nov 15 11:53 |
| DaemonFC | then after all mortars were gone, the drones doubled back and assisted the ground forces by taking out building in order of importance | Nov 15 11:53 |
| DaemonFC | it's a good AI | Nov 15 11:53 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 15 11:53 |
| schestowitz | Each soldat according to his ability | Nov 15 11:53 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing left standing on his base is a radio tower and one heavily damaged power plant | Nov 15 11:54 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 15 11:54 |
| DaemonFC | time ran out | Nov 15 11:54 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85315876 | Nov 15 11:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Nov-11 11:35:33 UTC - Identi.ca: The State of Linux Gaming 2011 http://ur1.ca/5u95t #gnu #linux #games | Nov 15 11:54 |
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| msb__ | Democratic Socialism please! | Nov 15 11:54 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: you tun this under kubuntu? | Nov 15 11:54 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Nov 15 11:54 |
| schestowitz | DemSocs? | Nov 15 11:54 |
| schestowitz | GIVE me ma GODDAMN SOCK!! | Nov 15 11:54 |
| msb__ | Or Social Democracy. | Nov 15 11:55 |
| schestowitz | It's brunch soon... long day ahead... no contract work till Saturday | Nov 15 11:58 |
| schestowitz | night :-) | Nov 15 11:58 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: All these usage surveys regarding Linux are not nearly significant as making/keeping Linux compatible/friendly with the human mind doing complex and multiple tasks. | Nov 15 11:58 |
| msb__ | schestowitz: Which for a lot of people means KDE3/Trinity, not KDE4. | Nov 15 11:59 |
| schestowitz | http://joindiaspora.com/posts/820272 | Nov 15 12:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 15 12:00 |
| schestowitz | @Roy: Because they cooperate on VM-stuff you would escalate to taking orders of MS in general? But how does the business-level make any difference in the community-distro? Are they going propritary now? Or fighting fierce competition in MS-style against the other distros? - No | Nov 15 12:00 |
| schestowitz | So what is your point in demanding a boycott against a foss-community? Would you do it with Android because they're used for a business model not very privacy-friendly or Ubuntu cos they're used by a "benevolent dictator"? | Nov 15 12:00 |
| schestowitz | I wouldn't judge the valuable contribution of a whole community by business-deals the financier does. | Nov 15 12:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 15 12:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 15 12:00 |
| schestowitz | If you watch the OpenSUSE community closely (as I tend to do, reading almost every relevant post), you soon see that today's OpenSUSE is steered and operated by Attachmate people, who also run SUSE. SUSE helps Microsoft tax GNU/Linux, in exchange for a bribe. OpenSUSE is just the labelling. | Nov 15 12:01 |
| DaemonFC | The only thing I don't like about the organizational structure of Trinity is that only one person has SVN write access | Nov 15 12:03 |
| DaemonFC | projects like that typically don't turn out well | Nov 15 12:03 |
| schestowitz | SJVN? | Nov 15 12:03 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://img841.imageshack.us/img841/4826/snapshot19mv.png | Nov 15 12:04 |
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| schestowitz | What am I seeing? | Nov 15 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | those resource collectors double as some really sturdy obstacles | Nov 15 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | they have a lot of hit points | Nov 15 12:05 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Isn't Trinity switching to git? | Nov 15 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | at the same time the enemy is trying to destroy them, they'll be being shelled by my mortars | Nov 15 12:05 |
| DaemonFC | msb__: Hell if I know | Nov 15 12:06 |
| DaemonFC | the git switch with KDE was political, not technical in nature | Nov 15 12:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] LibreOffice has a DevRoom at FOSDEM. Here's our Call for Papers: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Marketing/Events/Fosdem2012 !libo !tdf | Nov 15 12:06 | |
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| DaemonFC | at least according to Rex Dieter and Kevin Kofler of Fedora | Nov 15 12:06 |
| DaemonFC | I suspect they might have just been pissed that the breakup of packages made their jobs harder | Nov 15 12:06 |
| DaemonFC | to maintain and package KDE for Fedora | Nov 15 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | used to be a couple dozen tarballs | Nov 15 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | the problem with that was if you wanted to remove Juk, it meant removing Amarok, which meant removing Dragon Player, which meant removing..... | Nov 15 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | now they're all their own packages, so it works out better for Fedora users | Nov 15 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | some distributions like Kubuntu broke the tarballs into their own packages downstream already anyway | Nov 15 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | but now it's like that upstream | Nov 15 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | and it means that you don't have to have all of, say, kde-multimedia to get Amarok | Nov 15 12:08 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | better for the user | Nov 15 12:09 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Trinity is having a developers meeting today in 5 hours -- 12noon EST -- in #trinity-desktop-meeting in irc.opensuse.org | Nov 15 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | better for the distributions that were bothering to break it up themselves | Nov 15 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | more work for Fedora, boo git | Nov 15 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | that's what I was sensing | Nov 15 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | "Boo, SVN worked fine!" (For us, because we packaged the RPMs like the couple dozen tarballs came and called it a day) | Nov 15 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | the Kubuntu people were happy with git, because the situation was reversed for them | Nov 15 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | causing less work | Nov 15 12:11 |
| DaemonFC | It reminds me of Indiana's governor promoting daylight savings time | Nov 15 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | which was never observed in Indiana until 2006 | Nov 15 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | One of his "arguments" was there would be fewer car crashes because of the "extra hour" of daylight | Nov 15 12:13 |
| DaemonFC | so I pointed out that there was no "extra hour" of daylight, and all this means is there will statistically be fewer morning car crashes now | Nov 15 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | and more in the late evening instead | Nov 15 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | politicians | Nov 15 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 15 12:14 |
| DaemonFC | arguments that only make sense in Politicianland | Nov 15 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | they give you the half of the argument that promotes whatever they're selling | Nov 15 12:16 |
| DaemonFC | I think he even phrased it to the effect of "There will be fewer people in car crashes during the morning commute" | Nov 15 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | so it's OK if they die coming home from work instead? | Nov 15 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | politicians are really the same thing as marketing people | Nov 15 12:18 |
| DaemonFC | someone else makes all the decisions | Nov 15 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | their job is to sell you on what has already been decided | Nov 15 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | I mention this because any time there's a "community" there are "politicians" | Nov 15 12:19 |
| DaemonFC | jono is the Ubuntu politician | Nov 15 12:21 |
| schestowitz | PR | Nov 15 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Well.. | Nov 15 12:21 |
| schestowitz | Same thing | Nov 15 12:22 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes Steve of Linux responds directly if you push the issue | Nov 15 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Politician is a PR person with legal background | Nov 15 12:22 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: among jono's linkedin connections there are some other Shuttleworths | Nov 15 12:22 |
| schestowitz | It's like another Rockefeller dynasty :-) :-) | Nov 15 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Jono is their front end :-p | Nov 15 12:23 |
| schestowitz | I kif anyway, I like jono | Nov 15 12:23 |
| schestowitz | *kid | Nov 15 12:23 |
| schestowitz | http://joindiaspora.com/posts/820688 | Nov 15 12:27 |
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| schestowitz | http://joindiaspora.com/posts/820681 | Nov 15 12:27 |
| schestowitz | there have been servr capacity issues since Ilya died | Nov 15 12:27 |
| schestowitz | Not sure if there is some indirect relationship between those events | Nov 15 12:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @opensourcerer Good ole #Microsoft. Such a nice company… Looks like B&N might have "kicked the hornet's nest" this time: is.gd/Al1Rk3 | Nov 15 12:28 | |
| schestowitz | They said they needed more servers | Nov 15 12:28 |
| schestowitz | And one co-founder in this tiny company died | Nov 15 12:28 |
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| MinceR | objective-C, friendly? muhahahaha. | Nov 15 12:30 |
| schestowitz | Must be a typo | Nov 15 12:31 |
| schestowitz | fiendly | Nov 15 12:32 |
| MinceR | that's more accurate | Nov 15 12:32 |
| schestowitz | ".. any links to share? " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/820272 | Nov 15 12:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 15 12:35 |
| schestowitz | I will definitely download #openSUSE to make sure that I get a distro which is completely and quite nicely translated into my language ... that's mainly because I do that translation myself :P | Nov 15 12:35 |
| schestowitz | And I think openSUSE is the best #KDE distro. | Nov 15 12:35 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 15 12:35 |
| schestowitz | Kubuntu and PCLOS are good for KDE. Mandriva used to be good, maybe Mageia still is. | Nov 15 12:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] RT @kaiblin: Flight to MEL is booked, #LCA2012, here I come. <-- Great to have you on board Kai! Looking forward to seeing you in January | Nov 15 12:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] alt+f2, "file" or "file associations", run the File Associations panel and change the settings to your preference. | Nov 15 12:44 | |
| DaemonFC | don't translations go upstream? :P | Nov 15 12:52 |
| schestowitz | supposed to | Nov 15 12:52 |
| schestowitz | KDE is not a suse project | Nov 15 12:52 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/821030 http://joindiaspora.com/posts/820060 " | Nov 15 12:58 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Nov 15 13:03 |
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| schestowitz | "" | Nov 15 13:06 |
| schestowitz | I somehow fail to see the cool points. I don't dislike KDE at all, but all those icon grid based interfaces get in my way too often. It's nothing new either, the GUI age started with big icons and big letters. What's wrong with displaying lots of information at once? | Nov 15 13:06 |
| schestowitz | The worst thing for us professionals is, that we actually have to use all those environments. One day a customer will cross my doorstep and ask questions about Gnome 3, KDE or Unity, waving his purse. Most of them will not start using Openbox or Herbstluftwm, just because that geek he paid told him to. | Nov 15 13:06 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 15 13:06 |
| schestowitz | "I do not download Suse for other reasons... " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/820272 | Nov 15 13:06 |
| schestowitz | "I wonder how long it will take for them to figure out it won't work. Or is there is another motive here? " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/821058 | Nov 15 13:07 |
| schestowitz | Perhaps more centralisation | Nov 15 13:07 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Time for Chimarrao | Nov 15 13:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] When will Oracle fix the Java Updater that is seemingly stuck in an endless installation loop on all my Windows 'puters? | Nov 15 13:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] New release of the RDFa 1.1 Distiller and Validator http://ow.ly/1fEWv1 | Nov 15 13:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Todd Park: New incentives (plus) Information liberation = Rocket fuel for innovation | http://red.ht/tnUOGt #openhealth | Nov 15 14:03 | |
| DaemonFC | I am sick | Nov 15 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | I just deployed a bunch of riflemen as breadcrumbs | Nov 15 14:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] House Judiciary Committee SOPA Hearings Stacked 5 To 1 In Favor Of Censoring The Internet - http://bit.ly/tj3MEW frightened of a fair fight | Nov 15 14:08 | |
| DaemonFC | the enemy tanks came up out of the base | Nov 15 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | killed the riflemen one by one until they reached the edge of the map | Nov 15 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | then I called in my drones and had them unload on all the tanks | Nov 15 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | then I sent in tanks to destroy his war factory from a safe distance | Nov 15 14:09 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 15 14:09 |
| DaemonFC | Oh look, a rifleman *boom boom boom* | Nov 15 14:11 |
| DaemonFC | Oh look, another rifleman *boom boom boom* | Nov 15 14:11 |
| DaemonFC | 10 more later "Well, we sure showed them, wait, what are those.....oh shit!" | Nov 15 14:11 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 14:11 |
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| DaemonFC | profitable? No | Nov 15 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | cheap entertainment | Nov 15 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | those riflemen are dirt cheap to build | Nov 15 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | his tanks weren't | Nov 15 14:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @johnalexwood Psychiatric disease labeling and drugging of children exposed as scam by non-profit group http://ow.ly/6YgsQ | Nov 15 14:16 | |
| DaemonFC | Why do they call this Sandy Bridge New Acceleration? | Nov 15 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | it works on my old GMA 3100 | Nov 15 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | Why would you use FAT? | Nov 15 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | It can't be technical merit unless this is 1982. | Nov 15 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | Seriously though, I think it's stupid to pay MS patent tax on FAT when these idiots at companies like Sandisk could just use Ext2, install a Windows userspace driver for it, and not owe SweatyB anything. | Nov 15 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | The only possible reasons you'd use FAT is if you care about Windows or that's all the device supports because the manufacturer is stupid. It's such an ancient pile of crap. So much overhead, so unreliable. Microsoft tax. | Nov 15 14:22 |
| DaemonFC | -me on FAT(16,32,64) | Nov 15 14:22 |
| MinceR | someone said ext2ifs doesn't work on vista7 | Nov 15 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | I have a feeling that if companies did install an Ext2 ICD on Windows to evade MS tax, the filesystem ICD would be suddenly removed with the next version of Windows with no explanation | Nov 15 14:23 |
| MinceR | then again, they could still use UDF | Nov 15 14:23 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, good luck getting that to work with Windows XP | Nov 15 14:24 |
| MinceR | then again, they could ship an up-to-date ext2/ext3 driver with their device | Nov 15 14:25 |
| MinceR | they already install all sorts of crap along with the "driver" on winblows | Nov 15 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | Windows Vista is the oldest version of Windows that has a complete UDF implementation | Nov 15 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | and knowing Microsoft, they probably did stuff to it to cause problems for Windows XP and Linux users so they'd give up and use Vista | Nov 15 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | well, I know UDF discs burned with Vista's built in disc burner usually don't work in XP | Nov 15 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | XP reports that you've inserted a blank CD | Nov 15 14:27 |
| MinceR | fun | Nov 15 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | or it doesn't recognize it at all | Nov 15 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | you'd have to go pretty damned far back to have that happen on Linux | Nov 15 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | nobody uses Linux that's old enough for that to happen | Nov 15 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | there's no upgrade charge | Nov 15 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | so there's no reason to keep a 10 year old OS | Nov 15 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | you'd have to be running Linux 2.4 to have the same problems with UDF discs Windows XP does | Nov 15 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | or OS X 10.4 | Nov 15 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | it had roughly the same UDF support as Windows XP | Nov 15 14:30 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 95 OSR 2 supported enough to know what a DVD was, provided you had DVD playback software | Nov 15 14:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] 100 links para clicar antes de morrer | Revista Bula - #interesting #books #music http://goo.gl/MY4Yp | Nov 15 14:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] [Dicas-L] Compilando o Nagios 3.2.3 e seu pacote de Plugins no #Debian Squeeze - #flosstools #tips http://goo.gl/VGTPL | Nov 15 14:31 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] New poll: Do you use @CreativeCommons licenses on YouTube? Why or why not? | http://red.ht/uFJmR0 #cc | Nov 15 14:31 | |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Live_File_System | Nov 15 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | victim of Microsoft rebranding | Nov 15 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | Compatibility issues | Nov 15 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | Older Windows versions do not have support reading the latest UDF versions.[2] If users create DVD/CDs in Windows Vista using UDF 2.50, these may not be readable on other systems, including Windows XP and older Apple systems unless a third-party UDF reader driver is installed. To ensure compatibility of disks created on Windows Vista, UDF 2.01 or lower should be selected. | Nov 15 14:32 |
| DaemonFC | so, new features you can't use unless you want most Windows users to not be able to read it | Nov 15 14:32 |
| MinceR | they could use the older version, then | Nov 15 14:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] What no one has told me about programming http://wp.me/pT1St-8W #sex_math_programming | Nov 15 14:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] GOLDMAN: Demand For The iPad Is Fading (Business Insider): http://read.bi/rv0Bm8 | Nov 15 14:41 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] UK Radioplayer launches new apps for PC, Mac or !Linux according to Media news http://goo.gl/P015P | Nov 15 14:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I was surprised to read that !Gwibber is by far the most popular µblogging client for !Linux - Can that be true, so many moans etc… | Nov 15 14:49 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] One thing !Hotot really needs is group support. Why can't we click on group names? It's so obviously useful | Nov 15 14:51 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Australia: Nov 17: Julian Assange + Bradley Manning global support day http://t.co/Omi0vFE6 | Nov 15 14:53 | |
| schestowitz | "@Olav that's true. In terms of KDE-presentation no other distro is on the same level (maybe beside of archlinux but theirs is vanilla). OpenSuSE is also contributing a lot to KDE upstream. @Roy I don't know PCLOS but Kubuntu has not much to offer, it is a lesser Ubuntu with a not well maintaint vanilla-KDE. I used them myself for a while.. but their community is too small and somehow they are just the tiny brother of Ubuntu. " | Nov 15 14:54 |
| schestowitz | http://joindiaspora.com/posts/820272 | Nov 15 14:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Big Brother is watching - and listening - in Oxford | Big Brother Watch - #uk #policestate http://goo.gl/kPw7Q | Nov 15 14:54 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Crafting an EV motocycle that can't fall and a folding moped - YouTube - #scitek http://ur1.ca/5uc48 | Nov 15 14:56 | |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 15 14:57 |
| schestowitz | In openSUSE the community decide what happens. There are a few full time SUSE developers who are working on openSUSE, but as a part of the community. You can't say that someone who doesn't contribute anything to the project can decide something while there are people who contribute a lot but because they are working for a Linux company they can't decide. If this would be the case, the distribution would already be dead. Not because the | Nov 15 14:57 |
| schestowitz | contributors may have no motivation to go on because some 12 year old kid don't want his work. All people want something else and that would be total chaos. | Nov 15 14:57 |
| schestowitz | Just read this and maybe you will understand how openSUSE works: http://blog.jospoortvliet.com/2011/10/discuss-here.html | Nov 15 14:57 |
| schestowitz | Although Novell/SUSE is working together is that not a criteria not to use openSUSE. Indeed, the cooperation of SUSE (not openSUSE) and Microsoft might be good for everybody else. Just think about Microsoft's contributions to Linux. That's a great thing. | Nov 15 14:57 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 15 14:57 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Nov 15 14:57 |
| schestowitz | contributions to Linux. | Nov 15 14:57 |
| schestowitz | The FUD | Nov 15 14:57 |
| schestowitz | and hooks for proprietary software from the company suing Linux | Nov 15 14:58 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 15 14:58 |
| MinceR | finally i can use the virtualization software i wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole, on an OS i avoid! | Nov 15 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Exactly | Nov 15 15:01 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft... the community ;-) | Nov 15 15:02 |
| schestowitz | If Microsoft was a community, it would be something between barbarism and pagan | Nov 15 15:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] South Korea proposes restricting all e-mail sending to official e-mail servers http://is.gd/M116xv "spam" against #privacy | Nov 15 15:08 | |
| schestowitz | odd claim http://english.vietnamnet.vn/en/science-technology/15288/open-source-software-development-companies-still-struggle-to-survive.html | Nov 15 15:10 |
| schestowitz | The data to back this is missing | Nov 15 15:11 |
| schestowitz | #Android Ice Cream Sandwich Source Released http://is.gd/ao8Ftz | Nov 15 15:11 |
| schestowitz | didn't take long. #linux #mobile | Nov 15 15:11 |
| schestowitz | Works fine for Google | Nov 15 15:11 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Making an open source software can be more profitable in the long term http://is.gd/MTn6Yb starts with bad analogy of... http://b1t.it/VtV | Nov 15 15:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody Why Google should buy Barnes & Noble - http://bit.ly/uIp5mp one way of supporting its anti-trust action against #Microsoft | Nov 15 15:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] What's so fiiiiiiiine about art? #old97s | Nov 15 15:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody #Adobe Donating Flex to Open Source Foundation; Continues Fire Sale on Formerly-Core Software - http://bit.ly/vuxjHL Open ... | Nov 15 15:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody UK Judges Think US Makes It Too Hard To Get Patents, Lower Patentability Bar To Show How It's Done - http://bit.ly/vj4H36 ... | Nov 15 15:16 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Why did Ilya Zhitomirskiy, a 22-year-old co-founder of the hyped Facebook rival Diaspora, commit suicide? (Gawker): http://gaw.kr/v9PZm2 | Nov 15 15:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fedora/@fedora] Linux.com Q&A with the @Fedora Project Leader ( @jsmith ) on @Fedora 16 and Beyond: http://2tu.us/3lnv | Nov 15 15:21 | |
| schestowitz | http://ostatic.com/blog/opensuse-12-1-gone-gold-release-wednesday | Nov 15 15:22 |
| schestowitz | meh | Nov 15 15:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Memcached 1.4.10 improves performance (H): http://bit.ly/uE1osA | Nov 15 15:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] PHP 5.4 approaches with first release candidate (H): http://bit.ly/tovi4R | Nov 15 15:24 | |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85322387 | Nov 15 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85322387 | Nov 15 15:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Nov-11 15:16:42 UTC - Identi.ca: #Mageia wiki finally online http://ur1.ca/5uchi #mandriva #gnu #linux | Nov 15 15:30 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/820397 "This is a great example of the Haemorrhaging Horse. http://blog.sighworld.com/2011/11/03/ubuntu-haemorrhaging-horse/" | Nov 15 15:39 |
| schestowitz | Canonical staff on disaspora | Nov 15 15:40 |
| schestowitz | Also some SUSE boosters | Nov 15 15:40 |
| schestowitz | It's funny | Nov 15 15:40 |
| schestowitz | major migration to it, I think | Nov 15 15:40 |
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| MinceR | yes, everyone will _have to_ move to unity, it's not like there are other desktop environments around | Nov 15 15:42 |
| MinceR | and it's not like gnome2 was forked already | Nov 15 15:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Please treat groups like you would mailing lists. You wouldn't cross-post an email to 4-5 mailing lists, would you? | Nov 15 15:43 | |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85292825 | Nov 15 15:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Luis Falcon (meanmicio)'s status on Monday, 14-Nov-11 21:51:35 UTC - Identi.ca: Article on GNU Health in Linux Magazine Brasil #gnuhealth #tryton !gnu !fsf http://bit.ly/qev7Nv | Nov 15 15:44 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fosspatents/@fosspatents] Linus Torvalds cries 'bogus' too often and too easily -- but the gullible believe him http://bit.ly/tC9PFC | Nov 15 15:44 | |
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| schestowitz | Blech | Nov 15 15:45 |
| schestowitz | the lobbyists uses identica again | Nov 15 15:45 |
| schestowitz | to bemoan Linux as usual | Nov 15 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Oh noes! | Nov 15 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Linus against swpats | Nov 15 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Florian to the rescure | Nov 15 15:45 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft pays him | Nov 15 15:45 |
| schestowitz | *resue | Nov 15 15:45 |
| schestowitz | cue even, I can't tyr right without proofreading | Nov 15 15:45 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com.au/all-bets-off-as-flex-put-out-to-pasture-339326102.htm?feed=rss | Nov 15 15:48 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Google will ignore your Wi-Fi router ... if you rename it • The Register http://goo.gl/rTK7h | Nov 15 15:56 | |
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| DaemonFC | Linus is a wuss. I mean, if he just admitted Microsoft owned Linux, we could all just pay $300 per copy of Ubuntu (to Microsoft) and co-exist peacefully | Nov 15 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 16:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Vladimir #Putin scoops Chinese peace award - http://bit.ly/t3XR3A you can't make this stuff up #china | Nov 15 16:03 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Vladimir Putin scoops Chinese peace award | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 105.36 KB | Nov 15 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Some lies from Florian were debunjked y Linus | Nov 15 16:03 |
| MinceR | and by "co-exist peacefully", you mean "die quickly" :> | Nov 15 16:03 |
| schestowitz | About android copyright IIRC | Nov 15 16:03 |
| schestowitz | Florian is a liar-for-sale | Nov 15 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Microsost hires him right now | Nov 15 16:04 |
| schestowitz | First to lie about TH | Nov 15 16:04 |
| schestowitz | Then Android | Nov 15 16:04 |
| schestowitz | IBM | Nov 15 16:04 |
| schestowitz | OIN.. | Nov 15 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: No | Nov 15 16:04 |
| schestowitz | He's comical but harmful | Nov 15 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft loves Linux when you pay them to use it | Nov 15 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | they didn't even have to write any of it | Nov 15 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | aside from hooks for their own proprietary software | Nov 15 16:04 |
| schestowitz | cause that eliminates Linux | Nov 15 16:04 |
| schestowitz | makes it expensive | Nov 15 16:04 |
| schestowitz | !google ballmer android not free | Nov 15 16:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Microsoft will be happy to hear that Google is to keep Android free ... | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/hardware/microsoft-will-be-happy-to-hear-that-google-is-to-keep-android-free/16087 | Nov 15 16:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Microsoft's Ballmer Knocks Android, Commends iPhone | PCWorld | http://www.pcworld.com/article/242199/microsofts_ballmer_knocks_android_commends_iphone.html | Nov 15 16:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Expect a bunch of new Nokia WP7 phones, Ballmer says, new ... | http://www.gsmarena.com/newscomm-3286p3.php | Nov 15 16:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Ballmer: Android's not free (because of license fees to Microsoft) | http://www.gottabemobile.com/2010/10/04/ballmer-androids-not-free-because-of-license-fees-to-microsoft/ | Nov 15 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Who wouldn't love a deal like that. | Nov 15 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | Say, you pay me a recurring fee | Nov 15 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | I don't have to do anything except threaten you if you don't | Nov 15 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | Profit! | Nov 15 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | so much easier to patent troll than to make better products | Nov 15 16:06 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: 1) it wouldn't be free software anymore and 2) m$ doesn't control it so they want to destroy it | Nov 15 16:06 |
| ender_2070 | What's wrong with openSUSE | Nov 15 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: There's a lot of free and open source software that violates patents | Nov 15 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | patent encumbrance does not make it nonfree | Nov 15 16:07 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: having to pay per installation does, though | Nov 15 16:07 |
| MinceR | it places restrictions on distribution | Nov 15 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | if you mean you have to pay the troll to use free software | Nov 15 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | that's the government's fault | Nov 15 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 16:07 |
| MinceR | who controls the government? | Nov 15 16:07 |
| schestowitz | a toll | Nov 15 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | the trolls | Nov 15 16:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Evidence, copyright enforcement & self-regulation - http://bit.ly/tZk208 UK gov confirms it doesn't really have any evidence #piracy #deact | Nov 15 16:08 | |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: LAME is free software | Nov 15 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | licensed under the GPL | Nov 15 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | a government mandated patent tax on it doesn't mean the software is nonfree | Nov 15 16:08 |
| MinceR | haven't the patents on mp3 expired already? | Nov 15 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | it means the government is acting as an enforcer for an outfit that didn't write the software and probably didn't come up with any actual inventions relating to it | Nov 15 16:09 |
| schestowitz | What would CHina say? | Nov 15 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: No | Nov 15 16:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: next year | Nov 15 16:09 |
| schestowitz | some | Nov 15 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | Decoding ones finish expiring December 2012 | Nov 15 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | All encoding related ones expire in 2017 | Nov 15 16:09 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: see, this is why many people advise against distributing audio encoded by mp3 | Nov 15 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | the world will end on the 21st though | Nov 15 16:09 |
| schestowitz | If you use *buntu don't worry | Nov 15 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | so blame the Mayans | Nov 15 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | MP3 will never be patent-free | Nov 15 16:10 |
| schestowitz | MarkS has already paid the troll Larry Horn (MPEG cartel) | Nov 15 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | the MP3 decode patents would expire on the 31st | Nov 15 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | but the damned history channel says the Mayans knew everything | Nov 15 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | and there are ghosts and psychics | Nov 15 16:10 |
| schestowitz | and the aliens! | Nov 15 16:10 |
| DaemonFC | and aliens making crop circles | Nov 15 16:10 |
| schestowitz | right! | Nov 15 16:10 |
| MinceR | the world will end in 2012 december just like it ended in 2000 | Nov 15 16:11 |
| schestowitz | and egypt was more advanced than us :-) | Nov 15 16:11 |
| schestowitz | If we really really want to believe fantasy and delusion | Nov 15 16:11 |
| MinceR | oh noes, a date element overflowed | Nov 15 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | they had some technology that was crude and novel, but beyond what you would expect of their level of advancement | Nov 15 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | such as batteries for electroplating | Nov 15 16:11 |
| schestowitz | History Channel will air fiction as valid theory | Nov 15 16:11 |
| schestowitz | Cause it gets em ratings | Nov 15 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: South Park dedicated all of last week's episode to mocking the history channel | Nov 15 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | it was some funny shit | Nov 15 16:12 |
| schestowitz | hehe | Nov 15 16:12 |
| ender_2070 | eventually technology will reach the point where it is basicly invisible and is bio degradable | Nov 15 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 16:12 |
| schestowitz | It's a miixture of history.. | Nov 15 16:12 |
| schestowitz | and "stuff" | Nov 15 16:12 |
| schestowitz | Which gets viewers | Nov 15 16:12 |
| schestowitz | Not history at all | Nov 15 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | "Stay tuned for Hairy Bikers" | Nov 15 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | "Errr, argh!!!" | Nov 15 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 15 16:12 |
| schestowitz | Stay tunes for BIGFOOT! | Nov 15 16:12 |
| schestowitz | *tuned | Nov 15 16:12 |
| MinceR | the monster truck? | Nov 15 16:12 |
| schestowitz | They broadcast pr0n too? | Nov 15 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | no stupid, the sub shop | Nov 15 16:13 |
| schestowitz | I guess it's good for their ratings | Nov 15 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | but now that you mention Monster, anyone else want a Pawn Stars approved energy drink? | Nov 15 16:13 |
| schestowitz | Like Rupe says | Nov 15 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | mmmm, tastes like moose piss | Nov 15 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | with as much caffeine as a cup of coffee | Nov 15 16:13 |
| schestowitz | ew... | Nov 15 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | wow | Nov 15 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 15 16:13 |
| schestowitz | how would you know? | Nov 15 16:13 |
| DaemonFC | because it's how I would expect moose piss to taste | Nov 15 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | much like Monster Energy Drink | Nov 15 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | only less carbonated | Nov 15 16:14 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Nov 15 16:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] finished a short story type thing I started last night, I think it weighs in @ about 1k words.. | Nov 15 16:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] also apparently I write like @doctorow. When I saw it I was more excited than I've been since like the scifi con... http://iwl.me/s/31398c21 | Nov 15 16:14 | |
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| DaemonFC | at some point in the future | Nov 15 16:15 |
| MinceR | isn't monster sweet? | Nov 15 16:15 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't expect moose piss to be sweet | Nov 15 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | PETA will go undercover at the Monster Energy Drink factory farm | Nov 15 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | full of moose that are being exploited for their urine | Nov 15 16:15 |
| MinceR | they'll tell the company "urine big trouble!" | Nov 15 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: They make them diabetic by feeding them the diet of a typical American 12 year old | Nov 15 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | duh | Nov 15 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | then their urine is sweet and fruity | Nov 15 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 16:16 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 15 16:16 |
| schestowitz | Cody does fantastic video editing. Check it out http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_ydyLluVaM&feature=digest_tue | Nov 15 16:16 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: opposite of Apple | Nov 15 16:17 |
| schestowitz | Their fruity is urine | Nov 15 16:17 |
| schestowitz | ANd they piss everyone off | Nov 15 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: The Java Monsters aren't bad though | Nov 15 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | jsut really expensive | Nov 15 16:17 |
| DaemonFC | $3 a can | Nov 15 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | marketing | Nov 15 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | strikes again | Nov 15 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | cold coffee with a tone of high fructose corn syrup and added caffeine | Nov 15 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | but it is oddly agreeable | Nov 15 16:18 |
| DaemonFC | I could make it myself | Nov 15 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | but I like the convenience | Nov 15 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 15 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | no, not really | Nov 15 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | the last time I got one of those I was about 50 miles from my house and dead tired | Nov 15 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | you know how it is, anything to stay awake | Nov 15 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | blast the stereo | Nov 15 16:19 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't work, just makes you feel like Guantanamo on wheels | Nov 15 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | must....keep....eyes...open | Nov 15 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | Java Monster, fucking rip off, too tired to care | Nov 15 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | gulp gulp gulp | Nov 15 16:20 |
| DaemonFC | can't sleep, clown will eat me as I crash into oncoming traffic | Nov 15 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | *snore.....snort!!!* I'm up! | Nov 15 16:21 |
| DaemonFC | was that a horn? | Nov 15 16:22 |
| schestowitz | "was that a horn or do you just find me sexy?" | Nov 15 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | it's one of those things where you're ashamed you did it, other people do it and it pisses you off | Nov 15 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | but everyone does it | Nov 15 16:23 |
| DaemonFC | it's like, reading a strip of bachelor frog | Nov 15 16:24 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Nov 15 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | and trying to find something you haven't done | Nov 15 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | just not possible | Nov 15 16:24 |
| schestowitz | The sun has set, h no more happy photos... I have a craving for cereal now. You like any? Which type? | Nov 15 16:25 |
| schestowitz | Ryan stone oh ryan stone... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIUPCfIihQ4 | Nov 15 16:26 |
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| schestowitz | THis is so old... 1967 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mUg5p3BncuQ&feature=related | Nov 15 16:27 |
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| schestowitz | This one is good... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QTfwcLdP5Xk&feature=related | Nov 15 16:27 |
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| schestowitz | Vietnam propaganda songs | Nov 15 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | http://my.opera.com/desktopteam/blog/2011/11/15/wahoo-returns | Nov 15 16:30 |
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| ender_2070 | 11:16 < DaemonFC> $3 a can | Nov 15 16:41 |
| ender_2070 | 11:16 < DaemonFC> marketing | Nov 15 16:41 |
| ender_2070 | I heard safety reasons | Nov 15 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | some states regulate how much caffeine can be in a can of that | Nov 15 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | so it's not like they reformulate it for each one | Nov 15 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | they just go by whatever state has the lowest limit | Nov 15 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | same reason why a TV set I buy in Indiana has to conform to California energy laws | Nov 15 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | they're not going to make one model to sell in California | Nov 15 16:53 |
| MinceR | except in Nebraska! | Nov 15 16:53 |
| schestowitz | Not anymore | Nov 15 16:54 |
| schestowitz | they caved | Nov 15 16:54 |
| schestowitz | Ryanstone sez so | Nov 15 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | huh? | Nov 15 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | who is that? | Nov 15 16:55 |
| schestowitz | Glenn Campbell | Nov 15 16:56 |
| schestowitz | Ryanstone oh ryanstone.. harmon farmer still aun't daaaayin' | Nov 15 16:56 |
| schestowitz | rednecky tune | Nov 15 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?7032-What-Is-AtomBIOS-amp-These-Different-Drivers&p=238671#post238671 | Nov 15 16:57 |
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| DaemonFC | http://edition.cnn.com/2011/11/15/us/new-york-occupy-eviction/index.html?eref=edition | Nov 15 17:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Judge orders New York to allow protesters, tents, in park - CNN.com .::. Size~: 65.9 KB | Nov 15 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | wow | Nov 15 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | apparently some judges aren't corrupt | Nov 15 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | " | Nov 15 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | The order from New York Supreme Court Judge Lucy Billings allows protesters to bring tents and other equipment back into the privately owned park where the now-global Occupy movement began. | Nov 15 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | Police, however, did not immediately let them in. | Nov 15 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | well, you can't have the police upholding the law | Nov 15 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | it might set a bad precedent | Nov 15 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | their job is to act as Pinkerton agents for the rich | Nov 15 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | It's always nice to see a government ignoring rulings from its own court system | Nov 15 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | it's the sign of a healthy functional system of checks and balances | Nov 15 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 15 17:03 |
| DaemonFC | When the judges rule against you, you get pwned by the state | Nov 15 17:04 |
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| DaemonFC | when the judges rule against the state, the state ignored the judge and pwns you anyway | Nov 15 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | *ignores | Nov 15 17:04 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.tmz.com/2011/11/15/school-district-porn-star-sasha-grey-entourage/ | Nov 15 17:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: School District: We Didn't Know Guest Was So Anal | TMZ.com .::. Size~: 107.42 KB | Nov 15 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | LMFAO!!!! | Nov 15 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | The school district that first denied to TMZ they allowed a hardcore porn star to read to first graders has now changed its tune, acknowledging she did indeed make an appearance, but they thought she was a mainstream actress -- not the winner of AVN's 2010 award for "Best Anal Sex Scene." | Nov 15 17:08 |
| DaemonFC | oh well, it was probably preferable to Bush and My Pet Goat | Nov 15 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | Her Bush wins awards legitimately | Nov 15 17:09 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 17:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] This Steve Job's piece from the BBC world service is is in two parts, switching channel. | Nov 15 17:11 | |
| DaemonFC | Awards | Nov 15 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | 2007 AVN Award for Best Three-Way Sex Scene – Fuck Slaves (with Sandra Romain and Manuel Ferrara)[16] | Nov 15 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | 2007 AVN Award for Best Group Sex Scene (Video) – Fashionistas Safado: The Challenge[16] | Nov 15 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | 2007 XRCO Award for Best New Starlet[76] | Nov 15 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | 2007 Adultcon Top 20 Adult Actresses[77] | Nov 15 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | 2008 AVN Award for Best Oral Sex Scene, Video – Babysitters[78] | Nov 15 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | 2008 AVN Award for Female Performer of the Year[78] | Nov 15 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | 2008 XRCO Award for Female Performer of the Year[79] | Nov 15 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | 2009 XRCO Award for Mainstream Adult Favorite[80] | Nov 15 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | 2009 Genesis Number One Pornstar of The Year[81] | Nov 15 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | 2010 AVN Award for Best Anal Sex Scene – Anal Cavity Search 6[82] | Nov 15 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | 2010 AVN Award for Best Oral Sex Scene – Throat: A Cautionary Tale[82] | Nov 15 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | 2010 AVN Award for The Jenna Jameson Crossover Star of the Year[82] | Nov 15 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | 2010 XBIZ Award for Crossover Star of the Year[83] | Nov 15 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | 2010 XRCO Award for Mainstream Adult Media Favorite[84] | Nov 15 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | 2010 F.A.M.E. Award – Favorite Oral Starlet[85] | Nov 15 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | 2011 Teaching First Graders To Read | Nov 15 17:13 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 17:13 |
| MinceR | oh noes, her presence must have corrupted the poor children | Nov 15 17:16 |
| MinceR | quick, call for a child-fucking priest to cleanse their souls | Nov 15 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | I am amused | Nov 15 17:17 |
| MinceR | cast out the demon of proximity to a porn actress | Nov 15 17:17 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 15 17:17 |
| DaemonFC | It's OK child, I'll forgive myself when we're done | Nov 15 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | neither of us are going to get in any trouble | Nov 15 17:18 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 15 17:18 |
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| MinceR | :> | Nov 15 17:25 |
| MinceR | just let me get the Aspergillum of Holy Purity | Nov 15 17:26 |
| MinceR | and you bend over | Nov 15 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Like it's a slace of prayer | Nov 15 17:35 |
| koolhead17 | hi all | Nov 15 17:36 |
| schestowitz | hey ke | Nov 15 17:36 |
| koolhead17 | wassup? | Nov 15 17:36 |
| schestowitz | goiny soon | Nov 15 17:47 |
| schestowitz | disapoa talk | Nov 15 17:47 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85325222 | Nov 15 17:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Nov-11 16:55:58 UTC - Identi.ca: Links – Anti-Trust and US Parasite Laws. http://ur1.ca/5txjy #techrights | Nov 15 17:49 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @LizzyM_TO Byron Sonne's Statement of Facts PDF: http://ur1.ca/5uem4 << Thanks! !FreeByron #g20report | Nov 15 17:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Testing, 1, 3, 2. | Nov 15 17:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] @evan roger! :D | Nov 15 17:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I think we had some jamups in the queue server; I think it's fixed now. | Nov 15 17:59 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Global crackdown on #Occupy? Mayor admits conf call with 18 other cities http://t.co/jSqEPsTq #ows | Nov 15 18:01 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 15 18:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Yes, we had a problem with our queue server. Not sure what it was, but the process was pegged. | Nov 15 18:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] !drwho film being planned. I hope it is not as bad as the last car chase one in the USA or recent series of Torchwood. http://ur1.ca/5ueux | Nov 15 18:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Recent study shows a majority of US internet users oppose #SOPA-style #blacklist of websites - https://eff.org/r.G9r | Nov 15 18:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Yeah, I think our queue server just wasn't distributing notices correctly. | Nov 15 18:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @digiphile MPAA & @USChamber aligned vs Internet companies on #SOPA: http://ur1.ca/5uetm Sound familiar? http://ur1.ca/4agp3 !CDNpoli | Nov 15 18:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Kernel prepatch 3.2-rc2 http://ur1.ca/5uewq | Nov 15 18:06 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @eff Recent study shows a majority of US internet users oppose #SOPA-style #blacklist of websites - https://eff.org/r.G9r | Nov 15 18:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] "W3Conf Live Video Stream" http://identi.ca/url/60269121 So cool. #w3c #web #dev #conf | Nov 15 18:08 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85326595 | Nov 15 18:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Nov-11 17:49:13 UTC - Identi.ca: Links 15/11/2011: Linux still Rules HPC http://ur1.ca/5ue36 #techrights | Nov 15 18:08 |
| schestowitz | hmmm... | Nov 15 18:08 |
| schestowitz | felll asleep | Nov 15 18:08 |
| schestowitz | nap.. | Nov 15 18:08 |
| schestowitz | better now than later though | Nov 15 18:09 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #techrights log #boycottnovell log #boycottnovell-social log #techbytes log Enter the IRC channels now | Nov 15 18:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] RT @ #techrights log #boycottnovell log #boycottnovell-social log #techbytes log Enter the IRC channels now | Nov 15 18:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] See two up I said not you. | Nov 15 18:18 | |
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| schestowitz | Hey, gordon | Nov 15 18:19 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: who? | Nov 15 18:19 |
| schestowitz | goh-DON | Nov 15 18:20 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: J/K | Nov 15 18:20 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: I assume you were talking to me | Nov 15 18:20 |
| schestowitz | no | Nov 15 18:20 |
| schestowitz | to goh-don | Nov 15 18:20 |
| XFaCE | and that is | Nov 15 18:20 |
| XFaCE | ... | Nov 15 18:20 |
| schestowitz | a British name | Nov 15 18:21 |
| XFaCE | *and this is... | Nov 15 18:21 |
| schestowitz | silent r :-) | Nov 15 18:21 |
| XFaCE | err I know | Nov 15 18:21 |
| XFaCE | but which user here, besides thistleweb, is gordon? | Nov 15 18:21 |
| XFaCE | or did thistleweb just leave when you sent that? | Nov 15 18:22 |
| schestowitz | no | Nov 15 18:22 |
| schestowitz | Rupert Fox came | Nov 15 18:22 |
| XFaCE | lol, seriously though, who were you talking to? | Nov 15 18:22 |
| schestowitz | You sound like you're lookin for a fight | Nov 15 18:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Get a #GNOME 2-like menu with Classicmenu Indicator in Ubuntu 11.10 http://ur1.ca/5tuel | Nov 15 18:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Kubuntu 12.04 LTS and #Lubuntu 12.04 Highlights http://is.gd/lQRBl0 #ubuntu | Nov 15 18:23 | |
| schestowitz | I'll elope | Nov 15 18:23 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: nope, just trying to figure out who's who | Nov 15 18:23 |
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| schestowitz | THe WHOS? | Nov 15 18:24 |
| XFaCE | No, I'm not talking about my generation. | Nov 15 18:24 |
| schestowitz | !google bizkit generation | Nov 15 18:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Limp Bizkit - My Generation - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DBE9CXWV1alg | Nov 15 18:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Limp Bizkit - My Generation Lyrics | http://www.lyrics007.com/Limp%2520Bizkit%2520Lyrics/My%2520Generation%2520Lyrics.html | Nov 15 18:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - LIMP BIZKIT LYRICS - My Generation | http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/limpbizkit/mygeneration.html | Nov 15 18:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - BizkitGeneration.net - české stránky o kapele Limp Bizkit | http://bizkitgeneration.net/ | Nov 15 18:25 |
| XFaCE | Or maybe I am, depending on who "gordon" is | Nov 15 18:25 |
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| XFaCE_ | that was annoinh | Nov 15 18:28 |
| XFaCE_ | annoying | Nov 15 18:28 |
| XFaCE_ | schestowitz: You rather disconnect my wireless connection then tell me who "Gordon" is? Bah! | Nov 15 18:29 |
| XFaCE_ | :) | Nov 15 18:29 |
| schestowitz | Who's Gordon? | Nov 15 18:30 |
| schestowitz | I said Goh-don | Nov 15 18:30 |
| schestowitz | Seriously now | Nov 15 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | "· Possible switch to the LightDM login manager;" | Nov 15 18:30 |
| schestowitz | I was pulling your leg | Nov 15 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | oh please no | Nov 15 18:30 |
| schestowitz | I need to go soon anyway | Nov 15 18:30 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: yeah | Nov 15 18:30 |
| schestowitz | old news | Nov 15 18:30 |
| XFaCE_ | 13:18 <schestowitz> Hey, gordon | Nov 15 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | "Kubuntu Active for tables" | Nov 15 18:30 |
| schestowitz | They have to be unique | Nov 15 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | Will Microsoft allow you to install it on their table? | Nov 15 18:30 |
| XFaCE_ | DaemonFC: SLim FTW | Nov 15 18:30 |
| schestowitz | To sppeal to weirdoes (sarcasm) | Nov 15 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | LightDM is really bad | Nov 15 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | they already broke XFCE with it | Nov 15 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | stay off my lawn! | Nov 15 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 18:31 |
| XFaCE_ | Is LightDM the LXDE DM, or that new Ubuntu one? | Nov 15 18:32 |
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| DaemonFC | no | Nov 15 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | LXDM is the official LXDE X display manager | Nov 15 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | GDM for GNOME and KDM for KDE of course | Nov 15 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | XFCE doesn't have one, but the "done thing" is to use GDM which works well with it | Nov 15 18:33 |
| XFaCE | Except it belches a bunch of GNOME crap | Nov 15 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | Xubuntu switched over to LightDM and now there are no themes, no respect for your power management settings | Nov 15 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | and they broke automatic logins | Nov 15 18:33 |
| XFaCE | Yeah, that's was my second though | Nov 15 18:33 |
| XFaCE | t | Nov 15 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | as if looking like you were logging in to Windows NT 4 wasn't bad enough | Nov 15 18:33 |
| XFaCE | So it is the new Ubuntu one | Nov 15 18:33 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: I applaud the decision not to use GDM, but there are better choices. | Nov 15 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | I don't buy the argument that it's OK to saddle users with broken crap because next year it might do what they expect of it | Nov 15 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | this isn't even beta quality | Nov 15 18:34 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] RT @sfslim Sick. But sadly unsurprising. #OWS RT @agpublic: New Yorkers: this is the true face of your police: http://t.co/kJ3AOKWA | Nov 15 18:34 | |
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| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Have Microsoft managers infiltrated Canonical? | Nov 15 18:34 |
| XFaCE | ;) | Nov 15 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know, probably | Nov 15 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | I hate LightDM | Nov 15 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing it sort of works with is Unity | Nov 15 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | which is not surprising | Nov 15 18:35 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Indeed | Nov 15 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | it's the only desktop environment they bothered to put any LightDM integration effort into | Nov 15 18:35 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: You should try LXDM or SLiM instead | Nov 15 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | I should do no such damned thing | Nov 15 18:36 |
| XFaCE | I remember talk about switching to LXDM for Fedora 16 XFCE, but I haven't seen this yet | Nov 15 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | and they should leave my functional KDM the hell alone | Nov 15 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 18:36 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: If you were using XFCE, obv. | Nov 15 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what they plan on doing to integrate LightDM into KDE | Nov 15 18:36 |
| XFaCE | "no such damned thing", what are you Picard? | Nov 15 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | or if they just plan to ship it broken there to | Nov 15 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | to save half a megabyte at the cost of breaking everything log in related | Nov 15 18:37 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Have you tried LXDM? | Nov 15 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | http://img830.imageshack.us/img830/7862/oag4vasvktk7fpym4w7et73.jpg | Nov 15 18:38 |
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| DaemonFC | I may have to reuse this if they ship LightDM in Kubuntu | Nov 15 18:38 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: I don't think they will | Nov 15 18:38 |
| XFaCE | Why not just use no DM at all? | Nov 15 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | they shouldn't, doesn't mean that has ever stopped them before | Nov 15 18:39 |
| XFaCE | Log in through the command line, old school! | Nov 15 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | just ship a broken display manager | Nov 15 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | ignore the fully functional one shipped by upstream | Nov 15 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | which is already 100% integrated | Nov 15 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | it saves half a megabyte which we can use for more pointless crap in the default setup | Nov 15 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | yay crap | Nov 15 18:40 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: GDM is bloated though | Nov 15 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | oh nonsense | Nov 15 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | Matthew Garrett already went over why LightDM is pointless | Nov 15 18:40 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Not saying this justifies LightDM | Nov 15 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | and why GDM is the size it is | Nov 15 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | and the only thing of "bloat" in there is a few lines to implement a clock | Nov 15 18:40 |
| XFaCE | GDM also requires GNOME libs, Do no want | Nov 15 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | unless you count a few lines of commenting that credit GNOME in part to the Queen of England | Nov 15 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 18:41 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Last time I checked though, there is other DMs other than Light | Nov 15 18:41 |
| XFaCE | Hmm | Nov 15 18:41 |
| XFaCE | SLiM, XDM, LXDM, WDM, No DM | Nov 15 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | they ship those libraries anyway! | Nov 15 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | what did they save exactly? | Nov 15 18:42 |
| XFaCE | Speed | Nov 15 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | it makes me want to go back to startx | Nov 15 18:42 |
| XFaCE | XFCE works best without GNOME libs | Nov 15 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | LightDM is truly awful | Nov 15 18:42 |
| XFaCE | Yes, "No DM" | Nov 15 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | it has undone every last bit of progress made in X display managers in 10 years | Nov 15 18:42 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Ok, if they used SLiM, I think that would be great | Nov 15 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | I don't see why you can't use LXDM in XFCE | Nov 15 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | there's no reason you can't | Nov 15 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | LightDM even has a webkit dependency | Nov 15 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | want to talk bloat? | Nov 15 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | lets make the DM need a web browser engine | Nov 15 18:43 |
| XFaCE | Again, I'm not in favour of light dm | Nov 15 18:43 |
| XFaCE | Stop approaching this like I am | Nov 15 18:44 |
| XFaCE | -_- | Nov 15 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | solving a problem shouldn't involve introducing more problems | Nov 15 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 18:44 |
| XFaCE | I agree | Nov 15 18:44 |
| XFaCE | ... | Nov 15 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | but that's frequently the way Canonical does things | Nov 15 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | they tried to graft Indicators onto KDE | Nov 15 18:44 |
| XFaCE | Hence why I have no current desire to run a 'buntu | Nov 15 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | which don't even work at all now | Nov 15 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | or better | Nov 15 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | kind of work and trap Kopete in the indicator applet so you have to use killall kopete to stop it | Nov 15 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | thankfully the widget, while broken and incredibly annoying even when it is working as intended, is easily disabled | Nov 15 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 18:45 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Since you don't use 'buntu, why are you so riled up? | Nov 15 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | I do :| | Nov 15 18:45 |
| XFaCE | Ok... don't. | Nov 15 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | ok, I'll go use something else where they find ways to piss me off | Nov 15 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 15 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | they all do it | Nov 15 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | I surrender | Nov 15 18:46 |
| XFaCE | Use Debian or Arch | Nov 15 18:46 |
| XFaCE | Be excellent to each other | Nov 15 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't think Windows Vista's GUI could get worse, until I tried to sit down and use Windows 7 | Nov 15 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | who designs GUIs anyway? | Nov 15 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | does anyone that design them actually sit and use them? | Nov 15 18:47 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Wow, you've gone astray | Nov 15 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | if so, how? | Nov 15 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | no, I mean, there's this thing called "end user experience" | Nov 15 18:48 |
| XFaCE | So all GNU/Linux distros have problems in your mind | Nov 15 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | 'where you try not to ship broken software and GUIs that don't make sense, and alpha quality code that doesn't do most of what it should when what was there before already worked | Nov 15 18:48 |
| XFaCE | So they aren't perfectly accomodating to you | Nov 15 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | I'd call what most GUI designers do weird or pointless | Nov 15 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | I think they do them this way so they can sell books that are several hundred pages long on how to use their messed up GUI | Nov 15 18:49 |
| XFaCE | Fair enough, that's why I like XFCE, simple, clean | Nov 15 18:49 |
| XFaCE | some problems, but not so much due to questionable usability decisions | Nov 15 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | it went from guides like using DOS, which were maybe 50 pages, to using Windows 3.1 which is a hundred or so, to using Windows 7, where they have a whole chapter on the start menu | Nov 15 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | and free software isn't doing a lot better lately | Nov 15 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | except XFCE and LXDE | Nov 15 18:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] The FORCE ! http://ur1.ca/5ufl7 | Nov 15 18:51 | |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Well, I think that's because of the noobishness of the users increasing over time | Nov 15 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | I think maybe the better software tends to be the stuff that has the least resources | Nov 15 18:51 |
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| DaemonFC | they can't afford to rewrite it every week | Nov 15 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | or add nonsense | Nov 15 18:51 |
| XFaCE | Back in the days of DOS, the computer users tended to be more advanced | Nov 15 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | or things that outweigh their importance | Nov 15 18:52 |
| XFaCE | LXDE is annoying | Nov 15 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing I really hate about LXDE is that is uses OpenBox | Nov 15 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | which I don't like | Nov 15 18:52 |
| XFaCE | OpenBox is Canadian, so I must kick your ass. | Nov 15 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | I know you "can" change it, but it has configuration stuff all over which is clearly designed on the assumption you use OpenBox | Nov 15 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | there's no excuse not to do compositing of some kind | Nov 15 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | even if it's only through Xrender | Nov 15 18:53 |
| XFaCE | which you can add yourself, duh | Nov 15 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | treating the entire desktop as a framebuffer is like something out of 1995 | Nov 15 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | it's not just about eye candy | Nov 15 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | stacking window managers are less reliable | Nov 15 18:54 |
| XFaCE | uh huh, and the main website explains how to fix this | Nov 15 18:54 |
| XFaCE | makes sense | Nov 15 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | if one application stops updating its window, it can cause the whole desktop to start doing weird things | Nov 15 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | or freeze entirely | Nov 15 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | you don't get that with compositors | Nov 15 18:55 |
| XFaCE | and as I have said, adding compositing to OpenBox is straightforward | Nov 15 18:56 |
| XFaCE | Just like adding it to Fluxbox or blackbox or JWM or IceWM | Nov 15 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, if you feel like fucking with xcompmgr | Nov 15 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | I don't | Nov 15 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | read the manpage | Nov 15 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | I think you'll agree | Nov 15 18:57 |
| XFaCE | The Arch page suggests the Cairo Comp instead | Nov 15 18:57 |
| XFaCE | xcompmgr is unmaintained | Nov 15 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | it's not unmaintained | Nov 15 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | it's just barely maintained | Nov 15 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | it was never meant to be anything more than an example of how you could use Xrender to enable compositing | Nov 15 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | as such it is basic and difficult to configure right | Nov 15 18:58 |
| XFaCE | Which is why they probably dont' recommend it anymore | Nov 15 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | you can use xcompmgr to enable desktop compositing | Nov 15 18:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] A million EU album downloads for Adele, but why has this iTunes first taken so long? - http://bit.ly/uir7An good question | Nov 15 18:59 | |
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| DaemonFC | you can use Dillo to browse the web | Nov 15 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | I hear it's quite small :) | Nov 15 19:00 |
| XFaCE | If you are using a Pentium without mmx, you don't have very much choice | Nov 15 19:00 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: https://wiki.archlinux.org/index.php/Cairo_Compmgr | Nov 15 19:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Cairo Compmgr - ArchWiki .::. Size~: 21.56 KB | Nov 15 19:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Anti-Hacking Law Criminalizes Most Computer Users, Former Prosecutor Says - http://bit.ly/tTOd3A they just don't think this stuff through... | Nov 15 19:01 | |
| DaemonFC | if you're using a Pentium without MMX, are you also using your 14.4K modem to connect to the internet? | Nov 15 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 19:01 |
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| XFaCE | good point | Nov 15 19:01 |
| XFaCE | still | Nov 15 19:01 |
| XFaCE | Many older computers can't handle compositing | Nov 15 19:01 |
| XFaCE | and it can be added to OpenBox for newer computers, which are in the majority | Nov 15 19:02 |
| XFaCE | opt-in rather than opt-out | Nov 15 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | nah | Nov 15 19:02 |
| XFaCE | yeah | Nov 15 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | r100 radeons from 2000 can use xrender for compositing | Nov 15 19:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Ericsson Eyes Sales From Mobile Industry’s Top Patents Trove - http://buswk.co/timutd pushes its way to the patent trough | Nov 15 19:03 | |
| XFaCE | Fluxbox doesn't have compositing either, it sucks too then? | Nov 15 19:03 |
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| DaemonFC | and do so at an acceptable speed | Nov 15 19:03 |
| XFaCE | Cairo Compmgr works well, easy to configure | Nov 15 19:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Pirate Party Gains Another Seat In EU - http://bit.ly/vQzxXQ hooray: @teirdes is a real gain for the EU parliament | Nov 15 19:04 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Google, Facebook, Twitter, AOL, eBay, Yahoo, Mozilla, LinkedIn, & Zynga tell Congress: oppose #blacklist bill! https://eff.org/r.4Gs [pdf] | Nov 15 19:04 | |
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| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Checkmate | Nov 15 19:05 |
| XFaCE | (the weakest way to "win" a conversation) | Nov 15 19:06 |
| XFaCE | lol | Nov 15 19:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Hacks and hackers gather to write the first Data Journalism Handbook - http://bit.ly/vtalvr nice #opencontent #datajournalism | Nov 15 19:06 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Hacks and hackers gather to write the first Data Journalism Handbook | Open Knowledge Foundation Blog .::. Size~: 66.03 KB | Nov 15 19:06 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: I do agree though that LightDM blows | Nov 15 19:06 |
| XFaCE | Could have done so many other things | Nov 15 19:07 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Ubuntu projects seem to be a do-first, think-later prospect | Nov 15 19:08 |
| XFaCE | of late | Nov 15 19:08 |
| XFaCE | I just noticed that ender_2070 is lurking here, like a centipede in the basement. | Nov 15 19:12 |
| XFaCE | bbl | Nov 15 19:13 |
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| ender_2070 | lol | Nov 15 19:13 |
| ender_2070 | daemonfc - I see your arguments over openbox | Nov 15 19:14 |
| ender_2070 | daemonfc - I simply cannot use a desktop that doesn't automount my usb hard drives | Nov 15 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | sorry, I was busy killing enemy tanks | Nov 15 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 19:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] RT @wlpress: US Ambassador: Outside observers agree Sri Lanka could have finished off LTTE more quickly. #WikiLeaks #Cablegate http:// ... | Nov 15 19:21 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] In post-Mubarak Egypt, free expression is still under threat. https://eff.org/r.5Gt | Nov 15 19:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Barnes & Noble Blows The Lid Off Microsoft's Android Patent Squeeze (Network World): http://bit.ly/tdEUGa | Nov 15 19:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] God help us... the revolution runs on Windows! - http://bit.ly/tIPVjq why Occupy LSX is doomed...#clueless | Nov 15 19:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is http://ur1.ca/5pp83 with 122 dents! | Nov 15 19:23 | |
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| DaemonFC | you can patent "displaying a loading icon in browser address bar"? | Nov 15 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | damn | Nov 15 19:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] DOJ: Violating a Site's ToS Is a Crime - Slashdot - #usa #policestate #internet http://goo.gl/zWOFx | Nov 15 19:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Barnes & Noble Names #Microsoft's Disputed #Android #Patents - Slashdot - #floss #dirtytricks #fud http://goo.gl/JKsFq | Nov 15 19:51 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Russia's MiG Aircraft Company develops 3D flight simulator for the MiG-29 Jet Fighter - #aeronautics #scitek http://goo.gl/jPoGw | Nov 15 19:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Security updates for Tuesday http://ur1.ca/5ugjn | Nov 15 19:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] W3C privacy workgroup issues first draft of Do Not Track standard (ars technica) http://ur1.ca/5uhba | Nov 15 20:36 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Flexible brain implant could treat epilepsy by Jesse Emspak http://tiny.tw/9AY !science | Nov 15 20:39 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Arbor-M1857/?kc=rss | Nov 15 20:41 |
| schestowitz | nice | Nov 15 20:41 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Gartner shows iOS lost smartphone share to !Android in Q3 2011 /by @Zionministries http://ur1.ca/5uhfu | Nov 15 20:41 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Gartner shows iOS lost smartphone share to Android in Q3 2011 | TUAW - The Unofficial Apple Weblog .::. Size~: 35.21 KB | Nov 15 20:41 |
| schestowitz | Just returned from a manchester meeting about diaspora and it was very pleasant. Nice people too! | Nov 15 20:42 |
| schestowitz | We are planning to get some server space and perhaps set up nodes here in Manchester for many people to use | Nov 15 20:43 |
| schestowitz | On the way there I was running the radio on the mobile while typing down a text with animation and stuff, so the phone went unstable and then reset itself. This Alcatel phone was not smart enough to save the message I was writing | Nov 15 20:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Get a #GNOME 2-like menu with Classicmenu Indicator in Ubuntu 11.10 http://ur1.ca/5uhh8... http://b1t.it/VBP | Nov 15 20:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links – Anti-Trust and US Parasite Laws. http://ur1.ca/5txjy #techrights | Nov 15 20:44 | |
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| schestowitz | "This post has appeared in my stream five times. " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/824044 | Nov 15 20:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 15 20:54 |
| schestowitz | "Yeah... join the not-so-elite club Brian ;) " | Nov 15 20:54 |
| schestowitz | "It was intended as a poke for him to delete the rest. :P " | Nov 15 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | the truly stupid thing about the "Carbon Tax" "debate" (There isn't much of one in Indiana, but it comes up sometimes) is that it assumes people do stupid things to waste electricity at 8 cents per kilowatt hour (where it is now) | Nov 15 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | like that makes it free just because it's not as expensive as business interests would like to make it with the carbon tax money laundering scam of theirs | Nov 15 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | it punishes the poor fro cooking their food and heating their home | Nov 15 20:56 |
| schestowitz | "The diaspora server went up and down. Every click on the button was posting dupes. Sorry about that. I couldn't see that." | Nov 15 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | while people like my grandmother who takes out mortgages to buy gaudy trinkets and for the accumulation of things are expected to just turn the heat below 100 degrees and I don't know, suddenly stop leaving the front door open while they do it | Nov 15 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | they people who are going to waste are going to waste | Nov 15 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | they're living on public pension systems, union retirement money, and loans to leave their kids anyway | Nov 15 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | you know who I mean, | Nov 15 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | old people | Nov 15 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | they need a V8 engine to go 10 miles an hour with their blinker on | Nov 15 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | and set the thermostat to 100 degrees | Nov 15 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | that whole generation is used to having shit handed to them on a platter | Nov 15 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | then they want to double my energy bill for cooking food and heating my home to a reasonable temperature | Nov 15 21:00 |
| MinceR | see, there's a part of the problem | Nov 15 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | somewhere between surface of the sun, and oh look, my arm just fell off and shattered on the floor | Nov 15 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | you know? reasonable? | Nov 15 21:00 |
| DaemonFC | these people know they don't have long to live and the mess they leave will be their children and grandchildrens problem anyway | Nov 15 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | they don't give a fuck | Nov 15 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | my grandmother will just her heat up to 100 and leave the door open and pay the bill with mortgage money | Nov 15 21:03 |
| MinceR | you don't seem to give much of a fuck either | Nov 15 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | why should I? | Nov 15 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | it's the people who are responsible that are getting screwed | Nov 15 21:03 |
| MinceR | i rest my case | Nov 15 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | for the sake of people like that | Nov 15 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | raise her fucking energy bill | Nov 15 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | leave mine alone until I set the heat at 100 and open the doors and windows | Nov 15 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: The only people building wind farms tend to be the oil companies | Nov 15 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | 1. It helps them greenwash | Nov 15 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | 2. When the subsidies and tax credits are over, they sell them to the government at profit | Nov 15 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | and taxpayers get to float all of the waste and fraud in the name of "clean energy" | Nov 15 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | what little, if any, comes from these projects at all | Nov 15 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | some of them get their tax credits and then shut the entire wind farm down | Nov 15 21:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The Private and Social Costs of Patent Trolls - Study Implies "Reduced Innovation Incentives" http://goo.gl/IKAMR | Nov 15 21:16 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Commodor OS Vision, a Linux distro for Commodore hardware (old and new) http://ur1.ca/5qqd4 | Nov 15 21:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #RedHat reveals that RHEL 6.2 will support AMD's Bulldozer power saving features http://is.gd/6j38g3 #gnu #linux | Nov 15 21:24 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Few hours left to buy tickets for EFF's 20th Pioneer Awards Ceremony. Otherwise see you at the door. http://ur1.ca/5ui7a | Nov 15 21:28 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The 20th Annual Pioneer Awards | Electronic Frontier Foundation .::. Size~: 47.25 KB | Nov 15 21:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] This is beyond stupid; it's dangerous http://goo.gl/s7NiG | Nov 15 21:29 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: DOJ: Lying on Match.com needs to be a crime | Privacy Inc. - CNET News .::. Size~: 72.76 KB | Nov 15 21:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Coming Fascist Internet http://ur1.ca/5uicc inevitable or avoidable? #internet | Nov 15 21:33 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.bioslevel.com/v/review/Lenovo_Multimedia_Remote_N5901/1 | Nov 15 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85332754 | Nov 15 21:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Nov-11 20:59:59 UTC - Identi.ca: Server went up and down. Every click on the button was posting dupes. Sorry about those duplicate posts. I couldn't see that at the time. | Nov 15 21:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] We know some of the best data center managers and know you do, too. Nominate the best in AFCOM's annual award: http://bit.ly/trIALx | Nov 15 21:38 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Data Center Manager of the Year « Data Center World .::. Size~: 35.54 KB | Nov 15 21:38 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #ArchBang 2011 Review http://ur1.ca/5uihl #GNU #Linux | Nov 15 21:39 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Google Programming Language is Go for 2012 launch http://ur1.ca/5uikw | Nov 15 21:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] .@AchieveInc & @iskme announce new tool for users to rate quality of OER for teaching & student learning in OER Commons bit.ly/ta8P2V | Nov 15 22:03 | |
| schestowitz | "rewinding! ' http://joindiaspora.com/posts/825466 | Nov 15 22:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 15 22:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I still think Apple are starting to make too many enemies, no matter how untouchable they might feel http://goo.gl/z9GbG | Nov 15 22:04 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Apple’s Ban On Carrier ‘Junkware’ Could Cost Largest Japan iPhone Partner | Cult of Mac .::. Size~: 60.98 KB | Nov 15 22:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.zdnet.com/blog/virtualization/whats-more-economical-than-a-web-based-desktop/4136?tag=mantle_skin;content | Nov 15 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Blech! | Nov 15 22:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: What's more economical than a web-based desktop? | ZDNet .::. Size~: 132.61 KB | Nov 15 22:07 |
| schestowitz | Remember eyeOS? | Nov 15 22:07 |
| schestowitz | And all that jazz around 2008? | Nov 15 22:07 |
| schestowitz | http://blogs.smithsonianmag.com/science/2011/11/examining-telecommuting-the-scientific-way/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=socialmedia&utm_campaign=20111110&utm_content=surprisingsciencetelecommuting | Nov 15 22:09 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAxNTc | Nov 15 22:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [Phoronix] AMD Catalyst 11.11 Brings Critical Linux Changes .::. Size~: 17.97 KB | Nov 15 22:12 |
| DaemonFC | "- X.Org Server 1.11 support! This means the recently-released Fedora 17 should now work." | Nov 15 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora 17 was recently released? | Nov 15 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | Does it have Butter FS? | Nov 15 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | and Bacon? | Nov 15 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 15 22:13 |
| DaemonFC | the Catalyst bundle gained over 20 MB this month | Nov 15 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | probably due to the OpenCL stuff | Nov 15 22:16 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 15 22:28 |
| schestowitz | It's getting chubby... like MS CEO | Nov 15 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Unlike Apple's former CEO | Nov 15 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | Setting up fglrx (2:8.911-0ubuntu1) ... | Nov 15 22:30 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 22:30 |
| MinceR | the world's thinnest, lightest ceo? | Nov 15 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but when Ballmer gains weight he doesn't come with OpenCL | Nov 15 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | so Catalyst wins | Nov 15 22:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @ravenman: Ilya Zhitomirskiy Online Tribute and Memorial Website http://ur1.ca/5u6v2. Share this tribute. !diaspora | Nov 15 22:31 | |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | hmmm... not many comments on http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2011111122291296 | Nov 15 22:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Groklaw - Barnes & Noble Exposes Microsoft's "Trivial" Patents and Strategy Against Android ~pj Updated .::. Size~: 238.99 KB | Nov 15 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Even though it got a lot of links | Nov 15 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | http://groups.google.com/group/android-building/msg/c0e01b4619a1455a?pli=1 | Nov 15 22:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: ICS is coming to AOSP - Android Building | Google Groups .::. Size~: 52.21 KB | Nov 15 22:34 |
| schestowitz | http://search.slashdot.org/story/11/11/14/2124219/google-makes-its-search-system-slightly-more-transparent | Nov 15 22:34 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.muktware.com/news/2934 | Nov 15 22:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Diaspora Co-Founder Ilya Zhitomirskiy Dead | Muktware .::. Size~: 27.99 KB | Nov 15 22:35 |
| schestowitz | They don't use euphemisms | Nov 15 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Like "pass away" | Nov 15 22:35 |
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| DaemonFC | OpenGL version string: 4.1.11251 Compatibility Profile Context | Nov 15 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | lets see what Bloatzilla Bloated Bloat: Lunix Edition does this month | Nov 15 22:38 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 22:38 |
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| DaemonFC | oh wow | Nov 15 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | I works, kind of | Nov 15 22:39 |
| DaemonFC | now it's only the Firefox menus that are messed up | Nov 15 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | the pages are legible | Nov 15 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | progress! | Nov 15 22:40 |
| DaemonFC | now if you just want to guess where the menu items are and where to type in urls and searches, it's just like Opera | Nov 15 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | only broken | Nov 15 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | :( | Nov 15 22:41 |
| Faither | lol | Nov 15 22:41 |
| Faither | what did you try to do? | Nov 15 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | turned OpenGL on in Firefox | Nov 15 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | watch it go insane and eventually crash or swell up to several GB in memory | Nov 15 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Black Duck got placement at ECT http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/73629.html | Nov 15 22:42 |
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| DaemonFC | depending on the driver | Nov 15 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | same time next month | Nov 15 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 22:42 |
| Faither | ^^ | Nov 15 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | Opera 12 works beautifully with full hardware acceleration | Nov 15 22:42 |
| schestowitz | "Once senior management becomes aware and accepts the fact that OSS plays a crucial role in the development process, the next logical step is to develop policies for usage, licensing, monitoring, reporting" | Nov 15 22:42 |
| schestowitz | Translation: buy our proprietary software with patent monopolies on it | Nov 15 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | Opera/9.80 (X11; Linux x86_64; U; Edition Next; en) Presto/2.10.229 Version/12.00 | Nov 15 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | Vega backend | Nov 15 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | OpenGL | Nov 15 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | OpenGL | Nov 15 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | Blocklist version | Nov 15 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | 1 | Nov 15 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | Blocklist status for 2D | Nov 15 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | Supported | Nov 15 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | Blocklist status for 3D | Nov 15 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | Supported | Nov 15 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | GL_VENDOR | Nov 15 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | ATI Technologies Inc. | Nov 15 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | GL_RENDERER | Nov 15 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | ATI Radeon HD 5670 | Nov 15 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | GL_VERSION | Nov 15 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | 4.1.11251 Compatibility Profile Context | Nov 15 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox needs a reboot | Nov 15 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 15 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | not the application, the people developing it need to go | Nov 15 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | somewhere else | Nov 15 22:44 |
| DaemonFC | and be replaced by those who know what they're doing | Nov 15 22:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: congrats to @euHVR who has now overtaken me to become the most Twitter-followed in EU in http://p.ost.im/p/eSJAVQ | Nov 15 22:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: @euHvR you're now most followed from EU institutions on Twitter! Congrats, you beat me b http://p.ost.im/p/eSJc4Q | Nov 15 22:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: Congratulations Adele! Imagine how much more with a digital single market... http://t.co http://p.ost.im/p/eBWkDR | Nov 15 22:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: Norwegian Minister calls for European ICT co-operation. http://t.co/hH7FqrNR [Nor]; http http://p.ost.im/p/eBbm22 | Nov 15 22:44 | |
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| Faither | 3123 ssh login attempts in 20 minutes xD | Nov 15 22:45 |
| Faither | was playing around with my firewall and deactivated fail2ban xD | Nov 15 22:45 |
| DaemonFC | Mozilla seems to be a lot like Eucalyptus | Nov 15 22:46 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/707506 | Nov 15 22:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 15 22:46 |
| schestowitz | "I guess that artificial languages will be a basic skill in the future, like a natural foreign #language. Those without #programming #skills may find themselves illiterate. If this is right, the cost of wasting time not using a computing device and/or learning computing skills by using paper+blackboard will be high. The problem is that traditional #education is frequently misplacing teaching skills in space and time, ahead or lagging | Nov 15 22:46 |
| schestowitz | student needs." | Nov 15 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | claims to be open source but rejects patches that make it work better because they don't quite jive with the Windows version | Nov 15 22:46 |
| schestowitz | students needs to learn methods. Later on they can specialise accordingly. | Nov 15 22:46 |
| schestowitz | "I believe that Bulldozer needs support in the performance area, from what I hear. " http://joindiaspora.com/posts/825617 | Nov 15 22:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 15 22:47 |
| schestowitz | Faither: fail2ban for crackers with many IPs? | Nov 15 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | better to use a veyr strng passowrd | Nov 15 22:48 |
| schestowitz | Except the typos ;-) | Nov 15 22:48 |
| Faither | schestowitz: 3123 login attempts from 82.246.79.12 | Nov 15 22:48 |
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| schestowitz | Waste of CPU | Nov 15 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Do what the US would do | Nov 15 22:49 |
| schestowitz | Send a drone out | Nov 15 22:49 |
| schestowitz | !google bomb em networkworld ddos | Nov 15 22:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Distributed denial of service attacks on root nameservers - Wikipedia ... | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_denial_of_service_attacks_on_root_nameservers | Nov 15 22:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Cyberterrorism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cyberterrorism | Nov 15 22:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - U.S. cyber counterattack: Bomb 'em one way or the ... - Network World | http://www.networkworld.com/news/2007/020807-rsa-cyber-attacks.html | Nov 15 22:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Global Risks 2011, Sixth Edition - Risk Response Network - World ... | http://riskreport.weforum.org/ | Nov 15 22:49 |
| schestowitz | see [3] | Nov 15 22:49 |
| Faither | Some French guy running debian xD | Nov 15 22:49 |
| schestowitz | maybe cracked host | Nov 15 22:50 |
| Faither | maybe | Nov 15 22:50 |
| Faither | or proxy | Nov 15 22:50 |
| schestowitz | France plotting to invvade Germany... | Nov 15 22:50 |
| Faither | xD | Nov 15 22:50 |
| schestowitz | and then Poland | Nov 15 22:50 |
| schestowitz | I remember UK rogue IPs | Nov 15 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Turned out it was hijacked IPs | Nov 15 22:51 |
| schestowitz | They are of good use for evading blacklists | Nov 15 22:51 |
| schestowitz | And the UK has many wintendo boxen to be hijacked | Nov 15 22:51 |
| Faither | ^^ | Nov 15 22:52 |
| schestowitz | srly tho | Nov 15 22:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] That would be good, unfortunately it hasn't happened yet. Too much to do, too little time | Nov 15 22:53 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Protesters at London student rally capture police "snatch squad" on video http://identi.ca/url/60279065 | Nov 15 22:58 | |
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| DaemonFC | I use lots of UAVs in my game | Nov 15 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | they are a valuable asset | Nov 15 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | Read: they move fast and most vehicles can't hit them | Nov 15 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 15 22:58 |
| DaemonFC | there's no such thing as cheating in war | Nov 15 22:59 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Did US cities coordinate crackdowns on #OWS? Oakland mayor's remarks suggest so http://identi.ca/url/60279089 | Nov 15 22:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] EFF mourns the passing of Ilya Zhitomirskiy https://eff.org/r.G9v | Nov 15 23:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] A Possible Constitutional Caveat to SOPA http://identi.ca/url/60279179 | Nov 15 23:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Inside Police lines at #Occupy Wall Street eviction: "Destroying things never felt so good" http://identi.ca/url/60279191 | Nov 15 23:03 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAxNTk | Nov 15 23:04 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/825298 "It was a fun event. Great to meet you and everyone else. The pub was good too :-)" | Nov 15 23:06 |
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| schestowitz | DaemonFC: http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/11/html5-games-video-get-boost-from-full-screen-api-in-firefox-nightly.ars | Nov 15 23:10 |
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| schestowitz | LOL https://joindiaspora.com/posts/626422 | Nov 15 23:12 |
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| Faither | The certificate expired on 15.11.2011 22:51. The current time is 16.11.2011 00:14. | Nov 15 23:16 |
| cubezzz | been reading about Edward Abbey lately | Nov 15 23:17 |
| cubezzz | interesting stuff | Nov 15 23:17 |
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| _Goblin | :) | Nov 15 23:20 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: Hi mate.... I take it the email was ok? I did offer direct contact if required.... | Nov 15 23:21 |
| schestowitz | Yeah :-) | Nov 15 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Thanks, I told you last week | Nov 15 23:22 |
| schestowitz | Maybe it was lost in the IRC noise | Nov 15 23:22 |
| _Goblin | Yeah you said it was recieved... | Nov 15 23:22 |
| schestowitz | I saw kevie invited you to the show | Nov 15 23:22 |
| _Goblin | I can't remember if you said anything else | Nov 15 23:22 |
| _Goblin | oh... | Nov 15 23:22 |
| _Goblin | yeah.... | Nov 15 23:22 |
| schestowitz | w can cross promote with him, I love kevie and those people | Nov 15 23:22 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Nov 15 23:22 |
| _Goblin | Its been a pretty mad two weeks..... | Nov 15 23:22 |
| schestowitz | I gather you've not been online much recently | Nov 15 23:23 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 15 23:23 |
| schestowitz | you beat me to it | Nov 15 23:23 |
| _Goblin | not as much as I'd have liked too | Nov 15 23:23 |
| _Goblin | all sorts going on... | Nov 15 23:23 |
| _Goblin | run up to xmas etc | Nov 15 23:23 |
| schestowitz | if you only come online at 23:23, it says a lot :-) | Nov 15 23:23 |
| schestowitz | are the kids okay? | Nov 15 23:23 |
| _Goblin | yeah.... I do try to come into the channel at least once a day even if its at a late hour | Nov 15 23:24 |
| _Goblin | yeah great thanks... | Nov 15 23:24 |
| _Goblin | we registered amy on friday | Nov 15 23:24 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 15 23:24 |
| _Goblin | Middle name elizabeth | Nov 15 23:24 |
| schestowitz | ID card yet? /mejokes | Nov 15 23:24 |
| _Goblin | lol.... | Nov 15 23:24 |
| schestowitz | elizabeth - i like the name | Nov 15 23:24 |
| schestowitz | IIRC it was one option for given name | Nov 15 23:24 |
| _Goblin | I thought they catelogued all children at birth by covert dna collecting | Nov 15 23:24 |
| _Goblin | ;) | Nov 15 23:24 |
| schestowitz | all children and neanderthals | Nov 15 23:25 |
| _Goblin | lol | Nov 15 23:25 |
| schestowitz | and hive computers | Nov 15 23:25 |
| schestowitz | brandon came back | Nov 15 23:25 |
| _Goblin | it was mark who made a valid point re that neanderthals theory..... | Nov 15 23:25 |
| _Goblin | did he? | Nov 15 23:25 |
| schestowitz | someone banned his ISP | Nov 15 23:25 |
| schestowitz | Which blocked other canadians | Nov 15 23:25 |
| _Goblin | ah...that would have been me....oops... | Nov 15 23:25 |
| cubezzz | which ISP? | Nov 15 23:26 |
| schestowitz | trmanco was blocked | Nov 15 23:26 |
| _Goblin | nothing against Canadians....just ones who think everyones a mason and hairy men control the world underground | Nov 15 23:26 |
| schestowitz | I didn't even know... till he told me. I wonder how many got blocked and insulted | Nov 15 23:26 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: can't remember | Nov 15 23:26 |
| schestowitz | one which opeprates in toronto area | Nov 15 23:26 |
| schestowitz | many nationally too | Nov 15 23:26 |
| schestowitz | not the big ones | Nov 15 23:26 |
| _Goblin | Blame Brandon's hairy people with large eyebrows | Nov 15 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Rogers/Bell | Nov 15 23:26 |
| cubezzz | well maybe it was rogers then | Nov 15 23:27 |
| schestowitz | nope | Nov 15 23:27 |
| schestowitz | neither of those two | Nov 15 23:27 |
| cubezzz | ah, I see | Nov 15 23:27 |
| schestowitz | bt owns plusnet iirc | Nov 15 23:27 |
| schestowitz | sometimes the big companies own the small ones too | Nov 15 23:27 |
| cubezzz | sorry, missed that line "not the big ones" | Nov 15 23:27 |
| schestowitz | like a controled opposition game | Nov 15 23:27 |
| schestowitz | you think you get the "anti" | Nov 15 23:27 |
| _Goblin | roy, you say Brandon came back? | Nov 15 23:27 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, I advocate free-nets | Nov 15 23:27 |
| schestowitz | like Coca Cola buying some companies that are supposedly the anti-Cola | Nov 15 23:27 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: yeah | Nov 15 23:28 |
| cubezzz | which is really 3rd party DSL (wholesale from Bell) | Nov 15 23:28 |
| _Goblin | he seems to have left COLA.... | Nov 15 23:28 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: no surpise | Nov 15 23:28 |
| schestowitz | he's like that | Nov 15 23:28 |
| schestowitz | playing friends, then stabs you in the back, ad infinitum | Nov 15 23:28 |
| _Goblin | I feel a little sorry for him.... | Nov 15 23:28 |
| _Goblin | but I shouldn't...... | Nov 15 23:29 |
| schestowitz | did he scare away all his twitter followers? | Nov 15 23:29 |
| _Goblin | not sure, haven't been checking his feeds....when he started talking hive mind computers my mind switched off | Nov 15 23:29 |
| schestowitz | some peple choose alienation by their claims or their behaviour. THen they end up selling pencils from a plastic cups | Nov 15 23:29 |
| _Goblin | what is a hive mind computer anyway? | Nov 15 23:29 |
| _Goblin | what DE can you run on that? | Nov 15 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | "Support for the HTML full-screen API was recently enabled in Firefox nightly builds. It allows Web applications to toggle the browser into full-screen mode and stretch a single page element so that it fills the user’s display." | Nov 15 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | advertisers will love it | Nov 15 23:30 |
| cubezzz | honeycomb? :) | Nov 15 23:30 |
| _Goblin | I hope MS doesn't hear about it | Nov 15 23:30 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz:: meh | Nov 15 23:30 |
| _Goblin | they'll bring out their patent portfolio | Nov 15 23:30 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: tru | Nov 15 23:30 |
| cubezzz | Hive Mind Windows 9.0 | Nov 15 23:30 |
| cubezzz | it's coming, I can feel it :) | Nov 15 23:30 |
| _Goblin | I don't think it will take over the world then | Nov 15 23:30 |
| _Goblin | it will be too busy BSOD'ing | Nov 15 23:31 |
| schestowitz | taking over just on world? | Nov 15 23:31 |
| Faither | DaemonFC: lol yeah! - haen't seen ads on the web in ages though xD | Nov 15 23:31 |
| schestowitz | how about a galaxy? | Nov 15 23:31 |
| schestowitz | And what does taking over even mean? | Nov 15 23:31 |
| _Goblin | all of reality? | Nov 15 23:31 |
| schestowitz | Faither: ads don't see YOU! | Nov 15 23:31 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure Gates would love that | Nov 15 23:31 |
| _Goblin | only if he can make a buck out of it, | Nov 15 23:31 |
| schestowitz | he said something to that effect | Nov 15 23:32 |
| _Goblin | get em sort of addicted | Nov 15 23:32 |
| schestowitz | so I heard... to a magazine in the 80s maybe | Nov 15 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Taking over the world | Nov 15 23:32 |
| cubezzz | so are people breaking away from Microsoft now? | Nov 15 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | the user should be in control of what goes fullscreen | Nov 15 23:32 |
| DaemonFC | not the web page | Nov 15 23:32 |
| _Goblin | ... | Nov 15 23:32 |
| schestowitz | A dork with no ethics... trying to make up by TELLING people what to do and telling children what to think | Nov 15 23:32 |
| schestowitz | Egomaniac | Nov 15 23:33 |
| cubezzz | schestowitz, yeah | Nov 15 23:33 |
| schestowitz | self-promotional megalomaniac | Nov 15 23:33 |
| _Goblin | we still dont seem to be any nearer to an answer of what a hive mind computer is though..... | Nov 15 23:33 |
| schestowitz | and the PR campaigns blind people to it | Nov 15 23:33 |
| _Goblin | I'm still not sure its not all a joke...... | Nov 15 23:33 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: hive computer with how many cores? | Nov 15 23:33 |
| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/11/mozilla-hatches-plan-to-tackle-memory-leaks-in-firefox-add-ons.ars | Nov 15 23:33 |
| _Goblin | god only knows | Nov 15 23:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mozilla hatches plan to tackle memory leaks in Firefox add-ons .::. Size~: 33.57 KB | Nov 15 23:33 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: maybe he was trolling with fiction | Nov 15 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Sure way to get attention... just not the /type/ of attentiion one really needs | Nov 15 23:34 |
| _Goblin | could be..... | Nov 15 23:34 |
| cubezzz | did you see the new Commodore OS on distowatch? | Nov 15 23:34 |
| _Goblin | I just can't understand how you go from Fedora ambassador to hairy people under the earth...... | Nov 15 23:34 |
| DaemonFC | I'm using Opera until someone open source does better | Nov 15 23:35 |
| _Goblin | no.....been guilty of not visiting over the last 2 weeks | Nov 15 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | so it might be a while | Nov 15 23:35 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85335512 http://identi.ca/notice/85336596 | Nov 15 23:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Nov-11 22:36:47 UTC - Identi.ca: #Adobe openwashes proprietary #Trash http://is.gd/q4Fkqb (Adobe moves Flex SDK to independent open source project) | Nov 15 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | I give up | Nov 15 23:35 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Nov-11 23:10:43 UTC - Identi.ca: #W3C #privacy workgroup issues first draft of Do Not Track standard http://is.gd/QRIug7 how many will obey though? #www | Nov 15 23:35 |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin: they're not so hairy... compared to gorillas | Nov 15 23:35 |
| schestowitz | they're just.. fluffy | Nov 15 23:35 |
| _Goblin | they have got bushy eyebrows though | Nov 15 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Adobe openwashes a lot of things | Nov 15 23:35 |
| _Goblin | and thats currently the fashion (fuller eyebrows) maybe a sign the takeover has started? | Nov 15 23:35 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: good, and yoy got two pistols | Nov 15 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | even Shockwave Flash crap | Nov 15 23:35 |
| schestowitz | end it now | Nov 15 23:35 |
| DaemonFC | by releasing partial specifications | Nov 15 23:36 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: Rupe! | Nov 15 23:36 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: we'll have to set up a recording when I next hit my rest days | Nov 15 23:36 |
| _Goblin | Sunday (unless Im mistaken) | Nov 15 23:36 |
| schestowitz | yeah, I can do almost any day | Nov 15 23:36 |
| cubezzz | I think I have Adobe beat | Nov 15 23:36 |
| schestowitz | tomorrow is busy for me though | Nov 15 23:37 |
| cubezzz | I can capture _any_ flash based video or audio now | Nov 15 23:37 |
| _Goblin | don't know when I'll fit tuxjam in though | Nov 15 23:37 |
| _Goblin | I hope its a time I can manage | Nov 15 23:37 |
| cubezzz | look at /proc/<process number/fd | Nov 15 23:37 |
| cubezzz | /proc/<process number>/fd | Nov 15 23:37 |
| _Goblin | I need to speak with Gordon....havent chatted to him for a while....hope he's doing good.... | Nov 15 23:38 |
| _Goblin | haven't even been able to keep up with his writing..... | Nov 15 23:39 |
| _Goblin | :( | Nov 15 23:39 |
| schestowitz | Turns out I'll meet my lecturer friend at MMU tomorrow at 9. I'll drop my gym gear at the Midland, then meet meet him at the office, then UKFast, then to the gym (can't take gym bag to interview). Busy day after all... starting a charity, I'm helping him out with some technical stuff :-) | Nov 15 23:39 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: he's here in the cnannel sometimes | Nov 15 23:39 |
| schestowitz | all in good fun | Nov 15 23:39 |
| _Goblin | yeah, I noticed..... | Nov 15 23:39 |
| _Goblin | but so often I'm off and on the PC I miss him | Nov 15 23:39 |
| schestowitz | One listener took offence | Nov 15 23:39 |
| schestowitz | in you saying "average users" | Nov 15 23:40 |
| _Goblin | why? | Nov 15 23:40 |
| schestowitz | saying it's an insult to her | Nov 15 23:40 |
| schestowitz | it reinforces the notion of hteir innate inferiority | Nov 15 23:40 |
| _Goblin | how do you describe the mainstream non-tech interested user? | Nov 15 23:40 |
| schestowitz | maybe mainstream | Nov 15 23:40 |
| _Goblin | Technically Challenged? | Nov 15 23:40 |
| schestowitz | no | Nov 15 23:40 |
| _Goblin | lol | Nov 15 23:40 |
| _Goblin | I jest | Nov 15 23:40 |
| schestowitz | but average means non-unique | Nov 15 23:40 |
| schestowitz | so I think she took offence | Nov 15 23:40 |
| cubezzz | non-technical? | Nov 15 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/business/news/2011/11/a-faster-web-server-ripping-out-apache-for-nginx.ars | Nov 15 23:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: A faster Web server: ripping out Apache for Nginx .::. Size~: 42.07 KB | Nov 15 23:40 |
| _Goblin | well they are.... they are consumers are they not? | Nov 15 23:40 |
| _Goblin | just like I am an average user of cars..... | Nov 15 23:41 |
| schestowitz | "people who spend less time with computers maybe" | Nov 15 23:41 |
| schestowitz | I don't think I ever say "Average users" | Nov 15 23:41 |
| _Goblin | I don't know or care about them, I just want want to work for me. | Nov 15 23:41 |
| schestowitz | Like ranking them | Nov 15 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | nginx is kicking the crap out of Apache for the things it can do | Nov 15 23:41 |
| schestowitz | want works for you | Nov 15 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | it's not as fully featured yet | Nov 15 23:41 |
| cubezzz | non-programmer? | Nov 15 23:41 |
| schestowitz | wehether you want it or not :-) | Nov 15 23:41 |
| _Goblin | so is that the first TB complaint? | Nov 15 23:42 |
| Faither | technically challenged xD | Nov 15 23:42 |
| schestowitz | informal | Nov 15 23:42 |
| schestowitz | lamer | Nov 15 23:42 |
| schestowitz | n00b | Nov 15 23:42 |
| schestowitz | STFUN00Ber | Nov 15 23:42 |
| cubezzz | dozer? :) | Nov 15 23:42 |
| _Goblin | well I thought "average" was a polite way of describing the mainstream user. | Nov 15 23:42 |
| schestowitz | lUser | Nov 15 23:43 |
| _Goblin | how about the.... | Nov 15 23:43 |
| _Goblin | Sheeple | Nov 15 23:43 |
| cubezzz | Wake up Sheeple! | Nov 15 23:43 |
| schestowitz | hehe | Nov 15 23:43 |
| schestowitz | associated with conpiracy theorists | Nov 15 23:43 |
| Faither | the people who operate their computers like toasters | Nov 15 23:43 |
| _Goblin | yep | Nov 15 23:43 |
| schestowitz | They use the word sheeple and ruined it by association | Nov 15 23:43 |
| schestowitz | smart people understand hive0-minded neanderthal | Nov 15 23:44 |
| _Goblin | ah.... | Nov 15 23:44 |
| _Goblin | oh dear..... | Nov 15 23:44 |
| Faither | xD | Nov 15 23:44 |
| schestowitz | the rest believe in feh..... sheep! | Nov 15 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2011/11/a-look-at-the-state-of-html5-parsing-and-the-opera-1160-beta.ars | Nov 15 23:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: A look at the state of HTML5 parsing and the Opera 11.60 beta .::. Size~: 36.32 KB | Nov 15 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | Why is Opera in their open source section? | Nov 15 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | Opera on a Mac no less | Nov 15 23:44 |
| _Goblin | Msb made a good point....how do these neanderthals live 10 miles underground....what about pressure? | Nov 15 23:44 |
| schestowitz | it RUNS ON LUNIX!! | Nov 15 23:44 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] more likely they'd have to disclose to mpeg if they licensed one of their codecs | Nov 15 23:44 | |
| Faither | because it's free software? xD LOL | Nov 15 23:44 |
| Faither | free as in free beer | Nov 15 23:44 |
| cubezzz | ok, what is this about 10 miles underground? | Nov 15 23:45 |
| cubezzz | the Grays? :) | Nov 15 23:45 |
| _Goblin | I think thats how deep the neanderthals live.... | Nov 15 23:45 |
| cubezzz | I'm up for ufo talk :) | Nov 15 23:45 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: they worry about the pressure later :-) | Nov 15 23:45 |
| _Goblin | you'll have to speak with Brandon to confirm | Nov 15 23:45 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: silly me...... Also pressure is a conspiracy made up by the masons to stop us digging to look for the hairy people. | Nov 15 23:45 |
| schestowitz | cubezzz: people in Afganstian see UFOs | Nov 15 23:46 |
| cubezzz | indeed | Nov 15 23:46 |
| schestowitz | When their weddings get hit by a missle they can identify those | Nov 15 23:46 |
| _Goblin | usually than land with a big bang on civilian targets | Nov 15 23:46 |
| schestowitz | *afgahanistan | Nov 15 23:46 |
| cubezzz | _Goblin, what do you think about C64X? | Nov 15 23:47 |
| schestowitz | suse is snot http://news.opensuse.org/2011/11/07/the-green-planet/ | Nov 15 23:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: openSUSE News .::. Size~: 32.64 KB | Nov 15 23:47 |
| _Goblin | Haven't had time to look properly at it....but since its a commodoresque solution....great! | Nov 15 23:47 |
| cubezzz | I'll have to look at Commodore OS but I fear my old computers will be too slow for it | Nov 15 23:48 |
| _Goblin | cubezzz: Years ago I postulated a project with real transparent UAE integration on the Linux desktop.....never did take it any further than a few hours thought.... | Nov 15 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://games.slashdot.org/story/11/11/15/208228/marios-raccoon-suit-enrages-peta | Nov 15 23:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mario's Raccoon Suit Enrages PETA - Slashdot .::. Size~: 141.08 KB | Nov 15 23:50 |
| _Goblin | as in copy/paste between platforms/apps.... | Nov 15 23:50 |
| _Goblin | etc etc | Nov 15 23:50 |
| cubezzz | looks like it supports 64-bit only o_0 | Nov 15 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | do these idiots have nothing better to bitch about? | Nov 15 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 23:50 |
| _Goblin | probably not... | Nov 15 23:50 |
| _Goblin | they should buy Skyrim instead... | Nov 15 23:50 |
| _Goblin | I intend to.. | Nov 15 23:50 |
| _Goblin | "Enrages" | Nov 15 23:51 |
| _Goblin | great word | Nov 15 23:51 |
| _Goblin | not angers | Nov 15 23:51 |
| _Goblin | not annoys | Nov 15 23:51 |
| _Goblin | Enrages..... | Nov 15 23:51 |
| _Goblin | like a hungry lion just kicked in the nackers. | Nov 15 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | http://entertainment.slashdot.org/story/11/11/15/1654214/doctor-who-to-become-hollywood-feature-film | Nov 15 23:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Doctor Who To Become Hollywood Feature Film - Slashdot .::. Size~: 154.92 KB | Nov 15 23:52 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: I said that over a year ago | Nov 15 23:52 |
| _Goblin | and apparently.....if my informants are correct.... | Nov 15 23:52 |
| _Goblin | Johnny Depp is Dr | Nov 15 23:52 |
| cubezzz | Tom Baker did those ads for Prime | Nov 15 23:52 |
| _Goblin | theres also a 50 years special coming..... | Nov 15 23:53 |
| cubezzz | _Goblin, looks like Commodore OS uses Gnome2 | Nov 15 23:53 |
| _Goblin | boo! | Nov 15 23:53 |
| cubezzz | but 64-bit only | Nov 15 23:53 |
| _Goblin | Ive been invited on Tuxjam to talk about moving from Gnome2 to xfce | Nov 15 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | Johnny Depp as Doctor Who? | Nov 15 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | that would be interesting | Nov 15 23:54 |
| cubezzz | icewm is worth a look too | Nov 15 23:54 |
| _Goblin | DaemonFC: Thats the rumour....... | Nov 15 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | http://apple.slashdot.org/story/11/11/15/0156240/siri-protocol-cracked | Nov 15 23:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Siri Protocol Cracked - Slashdot .::. Size~: 171.28 KB | Nov 15 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | Apple Penis uses Speex | Nov 15 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Nov 15 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | http://politics.slashdot.org/story/11/11/14/2010258/pirate-party-gains-another-seat-in-eu | Nov 15 23:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Pirate Party Gains Another Seat In EU - Slashdot .::. Size~: 150.55 KB | Nov 15 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 23:56 |
| _Goblin | oh....heres something I'm sure the trolls will love to make fun of..... | Nov 15 23:58 |
| _Goblin | I've got back into an old hobby of tabletop wargamming.... | Nov 15 23:58 |
| _Goblin | going to a local club next week | Nov 15 23:58 |
| _Goblin | Warhammer 40k of course | Nov 15 23:58 |
| _Goblin | I think where most men have a mid life crisis and buy a fast car....I'm going the other way and being as nerdy as possible. | Nov 15 23:59 |
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