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Diablo-D3prurigro: so Ive heard.Nov 15 00:00
Diablo-D3prurigro: but the problem is, its all caused by something rich people are putting in the waterNov 15 00:00
Diablo-D3so its all goodNov 15 00:00
prurigrowhose hungry? the story of someone who got their sexual wires crossed slightly differently than a psychopathNov 15 00:00
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MinceRwhy would those rich people want more of their kind in the world?Nov 15 00:00
MinceRthat theory doesn't make much senseNov 15 00:00
cubezzzGates has talked about "population control" and vaccines in the same sentenceNov 15 00:01
Diablo-D3MinceR: see the song gangstas paradice.Nov 15 00:01
cubezzzI do think some people do have more empathy than othersNov 15 00:01
prurigrooiaohm: currently, there is a criteria of behaviour a sociopath must have had during their teen years, but that criteria doesn't have the implication in the opposite directionNov 15 00:02
prurigro(maybe that's what you've been getting at?)Nov 15 00:02
XFaCEprurigro: Have you heard about the magnet experiment, where high-powered magnets disrupted different parts of the brain temporarily, allow the testers to increase the likelihood for the subject to lie or tell the truth?Nov 15 00:02
Diablo-D3cubezzz: empathy is a liabilityNov 15 00:02
prurigroDiablo-D3: so there are sociopaths/psychopaths, but our understanding of the causes is what we have wrong? ;)Nov 15 00:02
XFaCE!google magnets truth lie experimentNov 15 00:03
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XFaCEprurigro: Diablo-D3 cubezzz MinceR There we areNov 15 00:03
MinceRfucking magnets, how do they work?Nov 15 00:03
prurigrocubezzz: definitely-- in fact, it almost seems like you can split those with the most and the least into categories along the lines of conservative and liberalNov 15 00:03
XFaCEMinceR: with magnetism.Nov 15 00:03
cubezzzsome older people seem especially empathicNov 15 00:03
oiaohmprurigro: flesh consuming and psychopath are two different things.Nov 15 00:04
cubezzzmaybe it increases with ageNov 15 00:04
oiaohmprurigro: there are cultures were flesh consuming was normal.Nov 15 00:04
prurigroXFaCE: yes! I think that's such an awesome study-- there's another one I might be able to dig up, if you're interested in that kinda thing, where they disable an entire hemisphere of a person's brain, and that person gains savant-like abilitiesNov 15 00:04
cubezzzprurigro, I'm not sure you can assume liberal or conservative has more empathyNov 15 00:04
MinceRi consume flesh oftenNov 15 00:05
MinceRit's the flesh of nonhuman animals, thoughNov 15 00:05
oiaohmMinceR: some cultures did not make the divide MinceRNov 15 00:05
MinceRi knowNov 15 00:05
MinceRthe other red meatNov 15 00:05
oiaohmThere are criticial reason to make the divide.Nov 15 00:05
XFaCEcubezzz: From which perspective?Nov 15 00:05
prurigrooiaohm: psychopathy involves the figurative 'sexual wires' in the brain being crossed with regions in the brain associated with violenceNov 15 00:05
MinceR"long pig"Nov 15 00:05
XFaCEcubezzz: Liberal in Canada means centristNov 15 00:06
cubezzzXFaCE, yeah those labels can be trickyNov 15 00:06
prurigrocannibalism like in this article is those same wires being crossed with regions associated with chowing down :)Nov 15 00:06
oiaohmprurigro: Not always.  There is more than 1 form of psychopathy.Nov 15 00:06
Diablo-D3[07:01:37] <prurigro> Diablo-D3: so there are sociopaths/psychopaths, but our understanding of the causes is what we have wrong? ;)Nov 15 00:06
Diablo-D3probably.Nov 15 00:06
XFaCEcubezzz: Our parliamentary party standing is distorted nowNov 15 00:06
prurigrooiaohm: cannibalistic societies are a completely different idea on that noteNov 15 00:06
Diablo-D3prurigro: or rather, to merely say they are crossed is meaninglessNov 15 00:07
Diablo-D3its not a diagnosis.Nov 15 00:07
cubezzzotNov 15 00:07
cubezzzit's normal to have _some_ empathyNov 15 00:07
Diablo-D3instead, either find the gene or the chemical that triggers it and get rid of it.Nov 15 00:07
oiaohmprurigro: common in psychopath is lack of compassion and a drive to get more.  Now that can be sex as a drive.  More scary one is wealth as a drive ie hording.Nov 15 00:07
Diablo-D3cubezzz: like I said, empathy is a liabilityNov 15 00:07
XFaCEcubezzz: We used to have centre-left (Liberal), centre-right (Progressive Conservative), far-left (NDP), far-right (various parties) and specific mission parties Green)Nov 15 00:07
MinceRDiablo-D3: well, if you get rid of carbon, you get rid of the behavior :>Nov 15 00:07
Diablo-D3MinceR: :|Nov 15 00:08
prurigrocubezzz: I read a study that had a bunch of questions for participants, which was meant to measure whether they were more in the conservative or liberal spectrum without giving it away, and then social queues were tested; amazingly, 'conservatives' displayed a completely different system of interaction than those deemed liberalsNov 15 00:08
MinceRgnNov 15 00:08
XFaCEcubezzz: Now we have a stupid, quasi-right pro business party ("Conservatives"),  a centrist party (Liberal), and far-leftNov 15 00:08
oiaohmprurigro: yes the most dangrous psychopaths are not based sex but the nature to stock pile food.Nov 15 00:08
XFaCEcubezzz: Connies are extremists nowNov 15 00:08
prurigrofor example, if the researcher looked away during conversation, the liberal would look to where they'd looked while the conservative would maintain eye contactNov 15 00:08
cubezzzDiablo-D3, not sure what you mean. How is empathy a liability?Nov 15 00:08
oiaohmprurigro: ie you can stop sex drive how do you stop food nature.Nov 15 00:09
Diablo-D3cubezzz: the study prurigro is quoting also found another thingNov 15 00:09
Diablo-D3conservatives would gut you for a klondike bar.Nov 15 00:09
Diablo-D3never turn your back on a conservative.Nov 15 00:09
Diablo-D3thus, empathy is a liabilityNov 15 00:10
cubezzzWhat are conservatives conserving?Nov 15 00:10
prurigrooiaohm: there are, but violence is a generic blanket that should cover themNov 15 00:10
Diablo-D3cubezzz: nothingNov 15 00:10
cubezzzprurigro, do you think empathic behaviour can be taught?Nov 15 00:12
prurigroDiablo-D3: that triggers psychopathy?Nov 15 00:12
cubezzzor is it something you're born with?Nov 15 00:12
oiaohmprurigro: psychopath share traders are interesting because they normally are food drive as as long as they can trade they are safe.  Ie don't require physically violince while in that envorment.  They loses there job they turn really bad realy quick..Nov 15 00:12
prurigrooiaohm: yes, their sex drive is crossed with these unfavourable tendencies, which is actually why men can be psychopaths while females are basically unheard ofNov 15 00:12
Diablo-D3prurigro: what triggers it is either their genes or exposure to a chemical before they are bornNov 15 00:12
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prurigromen and women both enjoy sex, but men are wired with a drive to seek it out, while women just enjoy it when it comes alongNov 15 00:13
oiaohmprurigro: women psychopaths when they do happen are more often than not food drive.Nov 15 00:13
prurigrocubezzz: it definitely can-- though you need some initial basis for it firstNov 15 00:14
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cubezzzfrom wikipedia:Nov 15 00:15
cubezzz"Empathy is the capacity to recognize and, to some extent, share feelings (such as sadness or happiness) that are being experienced by another sapient or semi-sapient being."Nov 15 00:15
prurigroa friend of mine with aspergers actually developed a complete empathetic system with my help after jumpstarting it with the burst of oxytocin delivered by a few theraputic sessions of mdmaNov 15 00:15
XFaCEprurigro: Interested in that study.  Please share. :) [/belated]Nov 15 00:15
oiaohmDiablo-D3: tiggers are many for psychopaths.  Brain damage even late in life can turn a person into one.Nov 15 00:15
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XFaCEprurigro: Err what?  are you a doctor or a scientist?Nov 15 00:16
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prurigrooiaohm: a psychopath can be completely harmless if they've never experienced the pleasure associated with violenceNov 15 00:16
Diablo-D3oiaohm: yupNov 15 00:17
oiaohmprurigro: share traders are still experince the pleasure just in a electronic form.Nov 15 00:17
cubezzzok, so no empathy for bugs thenNov 15 00:17
Diablo-D3which leads me to believe the only way to cure psychopathy is to stop breeding humansNov 15 00:17
Diablo-D3problem solvedNov 15 00:17
prurigroonce 'triggered' however, ie: they learn that pleasure association, they typically end up cultivating associated behavioursNov 15 00:17
oiaohmprurigro: if they know they can stop the re enforcement.Nov 15 00:17
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cubezzzprurigro, are you a Psychologist?Nov 15 00:18
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oiaohmprurigro: it only becomes a big problem when its fully enforced.Nov 15 00:18
oiaohmprurigro: that is the problem with the share traders it enforced then they stop suddly o boy hell breaks less.Nov 15 00:18
oiaohmless/lossNov 15 00:19
prurigrooiaohm: are you talking about female angel of death serial killers having the food-drive connection? Is that a theory of yours, or have you found a paper on it? (I'd be curious)Nov 15 00:19
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Diablo-D3oiaohm: btw, theres another problemNov 15 00:19
cubezzzShare traders do seem to be an example of a sociopathic type of personNov 15 00:20
prurigroXFaCE: I'll quickly take a look now, hopefully its still up :) and psychology is one of my fields of studyNov 15 00:20
Diablo-D3what about those of us who dont find any of that pleasurableNov 15 00:20
cubezzzI'm sure not all are, of courseNov 15 00:20
oiaohmprurigro: I did a lot of reasearch on no killing versions of psychopaths.Nov 15 00:20
Diablo-D3people love gambling, I think its stupidNov 15 00:20
cubezzzyes, gambling is stupidNov 15 00:20
oiaohmprurigro: for ever killer psychopath there is about 20 that don't.Nov 15 00:20
Diablo-D3there is nothing enjoyable in gamblingNov 15 00:20
Diablo-D3if you cant win every single time, whats the point?Nov 15 00:20
XFaCEprurigro: You obviously must be in a position of some authority if you are able to authorize treatmentsNov 15 00:20
prurigrooiaohm: a pure psychopath wouldn't be interested in treatment thoughNov 15 00:21
cubezzzanother interesting case was Ted KaczynskiNov 15 00:21
Diablo-D3prurigro: theres no such thing as treatment anyhowNov 15 00:21
Diablo-D3its not like you can rewire the brainNov 15 00:21
oiaohmprurigro: Boss of share trades like to know what ones are the pyschopaths.Nov 15 00:21
oiaohmprurigro: It also from the drugs that are used to treat psychopaths.Nov 15 00:22
cubezzzDiablo-D3, LSD?Nov 15 00:22
oiaohmprurigro: lot a stoped by sex drive subressess.  But some only work against food drive.Nov 15 00:22
prurigrooiaohm: having the sociopathic backbone that creates a true psychopath from someone with these crossed wires though, would suggest that their 'duty to society' or whatever you want to call it that would normally have them agreeable and attempting to fix themselves would be missing-- you sure you aren't talking about those who could have been psychopaths?Nov 15 00:22
Diablo-D3cubezzz: interestingly, that might workNov 15 00:23
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Diablo-D3extreme ego death has fixed quite a few psychopathsNov 15 00:23
Diablo-D3prurigro: see, thats the thingNov 15 00:23
Diablo-D3I never understood the duty to societyNov 15 00:23
Diablo-D3society has largely screwed me, why should I have any duty to it?Nov 15 00:23
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oiaohmprurigro: psychopath has a drive.  That a sociopathic does not.  That is the hard part with sharetraders.  90 percent will have socipathic in there make up.Nov 15 00:25
Diablo-D3oiaohm: well jee, i must be a sociopath thenNov 15 00:25
oiaohmprurigro: because to share trade effective compassion can get in way.Nov 15 00:25
prurigroDiablo-D3: you might have not developed the reward-association between things like monetary gain that society's spent your entire life trying to createNov 15 00:25
Diablo-D3since I have zero drive to waste my time on stupid shitNov 15 00:25
Diablo-D3prurigro: but there is no such thing as monetary gainNov 15 00:26
oiaohmDiablo-D3: You do have compassion for others a little.Nov 15 00:26
XFaCEbblNov 15 00:26
Diablo-D3what can you gain from money? more money?Nov 15 00:26
XFaCEsupperNov 15 00:26
Diablo-D3can you eat money? can it make you happy?Nov 15 00:26
Diablo-D3noNov 15 00:26
Diablo-D3its more worthless trashNov 15 00:26
cubezzzit's just a way to pay your billsNov 15 00:26
prurigroor you could be wired for internal reward, rather than outside influencesNov 15 00:26
oiaohmprurigro: problem is there have been many cases of fired share traders changing to a killer.Nov 15 00:27
oiaohmprurigro: ie it kinda critcal it weed out what ones are the true problems.Nov 15 00:27
prurigroXFaCE: I am not in a position to authorize treatments, sadly, but I am capable of providing themNov 15 00:27
Diablo-D3prurigro: that isnt really it either.Nov 15 00:28
Diablo-D3prurigro: I just find society as a whole as a large waste of timeNov 15 00:28
Diablo-D3they have nothing to offer me that I really want.Nov 15 00:28
prurigrooiaohm: there are no known drugs for treating psychopathy-- its a hardware issue, not something you can correct with softwareNov 15 00:28
oiaohmprurigro: It not exactly treat.  It supress.Nov 15 00:29
oiaohmprurigro: we can alter drivers by chemical a little.Nov 15 00:29
cubezzzprurigro, surely there are drugs that calm people down? Make a psycho person a bit less psycho?Nov 15 00:29
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oiaohmprurigro: that is how the cross with sex was first detected and the cross with food was later detected.Nov 15 00:29
prurigroDiablo-D3: I'd wager that you wouldn't have consciously decided your duty for society, if you had anyNov 15 00:29
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oiaohmprurigro: and off course there could be still other drives we don't know yet.  Because we have not devolved a drug to supress that yet.Nov 15 00:30
prurigrooiaohm: you can also compartmentalize working systems as well, to give you the ability to say, react sociopathically concerning trades despite being fully empathetic when with another personNov 15 00:30
cubezzzI agree somewhat, society could be betterNov 15 00:31
Diablo-D3prurigro: dude, if that worked, then traders wouldnt beat prostitutes on their off daysNov 15 00:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] #tzagNov 15 00:31
cubezzzKind of hard to ignore that when the news feeds you negative energy all the timeNov 15 00:31
oiaohmprurigro: if it just sociopathically it can be compartmentalized.  If psychopath your treatment options are highly limited.  Psychopath cannot be compartmentalizedNov 15 00:32
prurigroDiablo-D3: I have the same feelings concerning money, and its hard to really motivate yourself to do things that will result in obtaining it as a result, I findNov 15 00:32
oiaohmprurigro: the drive is what undoes the compartmentalization process.Nov 15 00:33
prurigrooiaohm: are you talking about chemical castration? that's the only thing I could picture having an effectNov 15 00:33
Diablo-D3arghNov 15 00:33
Diablo-D3dudeNov 15 00:33
Diablo-D3no talk about that kthxNov 15 00:33
Diablo-D3my nuts just tried to retract into my bodyNov 15 00:33
prurigrocubezzz: the problem is that they're not out of control-- their motivations are completely different from how yours work, and if they're on a drug that reduces their drives, say, they'll probably just stop taking itNov 15 00:34
oiaohmprurigro: yep chemical castration was how they found the sex drive link.  Some deit pills is how they found the food drive link.Nov 15 00:34
Diablo-D3oiaohm: you knowNov 15 00:34
Diablo-D3thats largely bullshitNov 15 00:34
Diablo-D3we've always known those drives existedNov 15 00:34
Diablo-D3its what makes us human, those stupid little flawsNov 15 00:34
prurigrooiaohm: you have a drive system, and you're prewired for sex food and a few other things from the start, but after that the sky's the limits on what drives are possibleNov 15 00:35
Diablo-D3prurigro: I wonder if theres a "Ill do it when I goddamned feel like it" drive.Nov 15 00:35
prurigrocubezzz: news in america is ridiculous in that respect, I can totally see it effecting culture more than any violent movie too since its perceived as realNov 15 00:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Listening to Rovics song about Francis Hughes we are from the same pod but David has talent.Nov 15 00:36
Diablo-D3AND _FOOD_Nov 15 00:36
*Diablo-D3 hits someone with a steakNov 15 00:36
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oiaohmprurigro: there is a classic difference.  Other than our prewired drivers the others can be shutdown by treatment.Nov 15 00:36
Diablo-D3lets face it peopleNov 15 00:36
Diablo-D3we fell out of the goddamned trees yesterdayNov 15 00:36
Diablo-D3we're fucking hairless monkiesNov 15 00:37
Diablo-D3violent and crude as everNov 15 00:37
prurigrooiaohm: I meant someone who isn't a sociopath or a psychopath is perfectly capable of trading stocks guilt free through compartmentalization-- it doesn't really work in reverse though, like you say, because the motivations don't exist to get betterNov 15 00:37
Diablo-D3want proof?Nov 15 00:37
Diablo-D3religion.Nov 15 00:37
Diablo-D3the worship and codification of our monkey ways.Nov 15 00:37
Diablo-D3no logic.Nov 15 00:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] S.O.S... Is it just me? Or does !LibreOffice (like #Open Office) just spontaneously crash *all the time*? Suggestions? !docufoundationNov 15 00:38
prurigroDiablo-D3: chemical castration != hot knife, we're talking about some kinda antiandrogenNov 15 00:38
Diablo-D3dude, I dont careNov 15 00:38
Diablo-D3call it something else thenNov 15 00:38
Diablo-D3I like my nuts where they areNov 15 00:38
prurigroDiablo-D3: human variability is the best thing we have going for us, but when a cell varies in the wrong way and becomes cancerous, it needs to be removed before it causes significant damageNov 15 00:39
oiaohmprurigro: really long term the non sociopath or psychopath starts having trouble.  With the fact there actions put like 1000 of people out of work.Nov 15 00:39
Diablo-D3prurigro: btw, you know how I know empathy exists?Nov 15 00:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I swear !LibreOffice crashes worse (daily) in Linux ( !Ubuntu on netbook *and* in !Trisquel on desktop) Suggestions? Help? !docufoundationNov 15 00:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] No. There is a reason for it.Nov 15 00:39
oiaohmprurigro: share trading is one of those areas that a sociopath suites.Nov 15 00:39
Diablo-D3kick someone in the nuts, and watch the reaction of every guy who saw it.Nov 15 00:39
oiaohmprurigro: does them less mental harm.Nov 15 00:40
Diablo-D3oiaohm: lets get to the root of the problemNov 15 00:40
Diablo-D3Congress.Nov 15 00:40
Diablo-D3all insane fuckersNov 15 00:40
oiaohmprurigro: of course psychopaths also are the ones who are bad share traders because they make a lose and can end up spending more to recover from it.Nov 15 00:40
Diablo-D3the only group of people that can slaughter millions and get a round of applause for doing itNov 15 00:40
prurigroDiablo-D3: I think the "Ill do it when I goddamned feel like it" drive you're talking about might be a case of you not feeling a sense of autonomy in the things you're not getting doneNov 15 00:41
Diablo-D3prurigro: you lost me.Nov 15 00:41
prurigroautonomy is a huge factor in motivationNov 15 00:41
oiaohmprurigro: yes as wrong as it sounds for share trading you want someone with the right level of mental illness.Nov 15 00:41
prurigrooiaohm: well you can remove 'all drives' to an extent, in a general senseNov 15 00:42
prurigroif you could completely shutdown a drive though, we'd have cure cocaine addictionNov 15 00:42
Diablo-D3LSD could happily remove you from those drives.Nov 15 00:42
Diablo-D3you just wont like the resulting human.Nov 15 00:42
prurigroDiablo-D3: its actually more likely that we're aquatic apes than tree swinging ones :)Nov 15 00:42
Diablo-D3prurigro: the comment still stands.Nov 15 00:42
Diablo-D3and curing cocaine addiction is easyNov 15 00:43
prurigroand as far as your proof goes, I see people who seem further along the evolutionary scale than others when I apply your criteria of 'evolved'Nov 15 00:43
Diablo-D3treat anyone who makes it as terrorists and away we go.Nov 15 00:43
oiaohmprurigro: bio based ones like food and sex are harder to stop since they were designed as a key to life.Nov 15 00:43
Diablo-D3prurigro: yeah, but look at us who are farther along the scale than others get treated by the cavemenNov 15 00:44
prurigrooiaohm: this happens really long term because the sociopathic end of things usually gets grown out of around mid-life when the emotional centre in the brain finally developsNov 15 00:44
Diablo-D3I mean, someone like me probably should be running the worldNov 15 00:44
Diablo-D3you know why?Nov 15 00:44
oiaohmprurigro: Yep and that is why in sharetrading they normally get moved up to management at that point.Nov 15 00:44
Diablo-D3because I dont have a need to press all the fucking buttonsNov 15 00:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] really? Is there anything I can do besides going back to windows? I'm considering just writing my novels in gedit.Nov 15 00:44
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prurigroDiablo-D3: empathy exists at a high level thanks to a specific set of mirror neurons that contain emotional data, along with other systems like the the modules that make up the so called 'monkey sphere' and the oxytocin systemNov 15 00:45
prurigroof course, you need to be able to produce any feeling you're gonna be able to empathize with internally as a prereqNov 15 00:45
prurigroDiablo-D3: how do you know it exists though?Nov 15 00:46
prurigroDiablo-D3: I'm like 10 messages behind both of you (just reading that I lost you now lol)Nov 15 00:47
prurigroI feel like I'm responding to the stars in the sky that likely burnt out millions of years agoNov 15 00:47
prurigro:)Nov 15 00:47
oiaohmprurigro: Really what gets me is why is sex the most common drive to be hooked up wrong for lots of mental illnees.Nov 15 00:47
prurigroDiablo-D3: LSD is a chain reaction jump started by bonding with the very system that's flawed in a sociopath-- I've always been curious how one would reactNov 15 00:48
prurigro(they never seem too enthralled with the experience after the fact on that note)Nov 15 00:48
prurigroDiablo-D3: well if we're smarter, maybe we should be expected to be the ones who solve this issue?Nov 15 00:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I would like to think floss was stable. If it is causing you problems this is cause for concern.Nov 15 00:49
oiaohmprurigro: I know there was a lot of forced experments with LSD on sociopathNov 15 00:49
prurigroDiablo-D3: you'd never put in the work to get there if you didn't have the drive to be there :)Nov 15 00:49
oiaohmprurigro: I just cannot remember the research paper i was in.Nov 15 00:49
oiaohmprurigro: ie back when LSD was new drug and its long term effects were not known.Nov 15 00:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] STOP SOPA, SAVE THE INTERNET ...coincidence? Funny, Bill !C11 is supposed to pass by Xmas too. !CDNpoliNov 15 00:51
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prurigrooiaohm: sexual drive influences behaviour heavily, so if a bunch of other systems go wrong, they're less likely to produce noteworthy results than the sexual drive system, since they're less involved in behaviour too right?Nov 15 00:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I don't know that it is. It happened sometimes in Windows too. I'm thinking it's Open/Libre Office that is unstable, not FLOSS.Nov 15 00:53
prurigrooiaohm: I wouldn't be surprised haha, they seemed to have tested it on everything and everyone didn't they-- have you seen the cat video?Nov 15 00:53
Diablo-D3prurigro: exactly, btwNov 15 00:53
Diablo-D3we need to hire someone who doesnt want to be president to be presidentNov 15 00:53
Diablo-D3anyone who wants to be president is automatically unqualifiedNov 15 00:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Me sleepy now. CU tmrw dear followsers and plusserses. :-)Nov 15 00:54
oiaohmprurigro: is the hording drive and food drive part of staying in the game both control many thing as well.   I think sex drive is simple to detect.  The other drives you cannot as simply trip in examination.Nov 15 00:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @teirdes it appears i will soon be MEP. expecting to be inaugurated during strasbourg plenary in december. exciting! < congratulations!Nov 15 00:56
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] David Rovics song "No Frackin' Way" #fracking #gas #drilling #hydraulic #poisonthelandNov 15 00:56
oiaohmprurigro: Ie I think sex drive might be over repesented a lot due to simpler testing.Nov 15 00:56
Diablo-D3btw, I dont think those drives actually existNov 15 00:56
Diablo-D3they're just manifestations of the only real drive we have: staying aliveNov 15 00:56
oiaohmDiablo-D3: they are chemical based.Nov 15 00:56
schestowitzwhen I was an undergrad I had a friend who later became an investment bankerNov 15 00:57
Diablo-D3oiaohm: that doesnt mean what you think it doesNov 15 00:57
schestowitzi was not surprised cause he was all along arrogant and and sociopath.. and hardly hid itNov 15 00:57
Diablo-D3evolution also changes what chemicals our brain uses.Nov 15 00:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Well that is floss then.Nov 15 00:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Partly.Nov 15 00:58
oiaohmevolution corrected created the drive chemicals.Nov 15 00:58
Diablo-D3oiaohm: yeah, but in different people chemicals act subtly differentNov 15 00:58
Diablo-D3but you're missing the pointNov 15 00:58
Diablo-D3evolution selects for traits that are most likely to surviveNov 15 00:58
Diablo-D3using the magic known as statistics, lies, and damned lies.Nov 15 00:59
oiaohmTo be correct they don't act differently.  How they a processed by the wiring of brain.Nov 15 00:59
oiaohmIs different.Nov 15 00:59
Diablo-D3now, what mother nature does, is she shakes her magic 8 ballNov 15 00:59
Diablo-D3and goesNov 15 00:59
oiaohmThe rest of the body processes them the same.Nov 15 00:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] how much do you use it? I use LibreWriter and it crashes at least once a day (annoying when novelling)Nov 15 00:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] What?Nov 15 00:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Activist Post: #Iceland’s New Bank Disaster - #bankingsystem #imf #crooks 15 00:59
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Diablo-D3hey, lets make 4 legged humans!Nov 15 00:59
Diablo-D3and thus bill gates was born.Nov 15 01:00
oiaohmWe have the same sex drive chemical as flees.Nov 15 01:00
oiaohmMother nature has not been that creative with these chemicals Diablo-D3Nov 15 01:00
oiaohmWhat brian wiring does in response is creative.Nov 15 01:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Yes but not the whole floss universe. It could be you just need help from someone more knowledgeable than us :)Nov 15 01:01
Diablo-D3oiaohm: I think you're missing the pointNov 15 01:01
Diablo-D3a) Im trollingNov 15 01:01
Diablo-D3b) Im tired of stupid peopleNov 15 01:01
Diablo-D3c) I would be much happier of the plague of stupidity was curedNov 15 01:01
Diablo-D3d)i we're all doomed anywaysNov 15 01:01
oiaohmHave you really though threw what you have wished for.Nov 15 01:02
oiaohmA world without stupid people.  One day that may be possible.Nov 15 01:03
Diablo-D3oiaohm: dude, if you could see the world as how I wanted itNov 15 01:03
Diablo-D3you would weep with joyNov 15 01:03
oiaohmProblem is I laugh at stupid people.Nov 15 01:03
Diablo-D3I used toNov 15 01:03
Diablo-D3then stupid people just kept being stupidNov 15 01:03
oiaohmI don't think I would find your world fun.Nov 15 01:04
Diablo-D3oiaohm: imagine, a world where a mission to mars would not only be viable, but already underway, and cancer and aids and most major deceases would already be cured, and africa would be an economic powerhouseNov 15 01:04
oiaohmI have worked without stupid people at different times.Nov 15 01:04
oiaohmAnd we would have nano machines by now Diablo-D3Nov 15 01:05
Diablo-D3the middle east would no longer be at war with itselfNov 15 01:05
Diablo-D3or reality, evenNov 15 01:05
oiaohmSo now I am looking at living for ever.  So having to work for ever.Nov 15 01:05
Diablo-D3and women would no longer believe that they... whatever the fuck it is they believe.Nov 15 01:05
oiaohmI really don't see that as a fun idea.Nov 15 01:05
Diablo-D3oiaohm: yes, but is it really work if you enjoy it?Nov 15 01:05
schestowitzwhat is "work"?Nov 15 01:05
schestowitzpeople define this differentlyNov 15 01:06
oiaohmIn a world where nano machines do all the lazy stuff.  Diablo-D3Nov 15 01:06
schestowitzSome mothers will say that housework is a job or workNov 15 01:06
prurigroI can hardly wait for nano machinesNov 15 01:06
schestowitzAnd that's fineNov 15 01:06
Diablo-D3but seriouslyNov 15 01:06
oiaohmDiablo-D3: I do like doing some manual work.Nov 15 01:06
Diablo-D3if the world isnt even going to tryNov 15 01:06
Diablo-D3why should I?Nov 15 01:06
prurigrohave them plugged directly into the neurons that process conscious experienceNov 15 01:06
Diablo-D3the world has nothing to offer me.Nov 15 01:06
prurigroVR ftwNov 15 01:06
oiaohmDiablo-D3: It gave you lifeNov 15 01:07
Diablo-D3oiaohm: Im still thinking that was a waste of my time.Nov 15 01:07
oiaohmprurigro: really I fear that day.Nov 15 01:07
oiaohmprurigro: the day nano machines can directly feed information into your mind is the day everyone might become clones.Nov 15 01:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Seen bits of it have not got into it yet.Nov 15 01:08
oiaohmDiablo-D3: yes there is a chance without idiots we would all know everything at once.Nov 15 01:08
Diablo-D3oiaohm: yes, and then you could all suffer like I do.Nov 15 01:08
Diablo-D3I like where this is goingNov 15 01:08
oiaohmAlso you would not be you either.Nov 15 01:09
Diablo-D3of course I wouldntNov 15 01:09
oiaohmThink borg or worse.Nov 15 01:09
Diablo-D3that isnt itNov 15 01:09
oiaohmIe you are still alive.Nov 15 01:09
Diablo-D3imagine me, but actually happy.Nov 15 01:09
Diablo-D3it wouldnt be me at all, now would itNov 15 01:09
oiaohmIn a body you are not controlling.Nov 15 01:09
oiaohmYet you know you are being controlled.Nov 15 01:09
Diablo-D3isnt that called being a united states citizen?Nov 15 01:10
Diablo-D3do what you're told, or the cops come and beat you with nightsticksNov 15 01:10
oiaohmExcept a USA cit can choose to go blow something up for fun.Nov 15 01:10
oiaohmBasically unitied states citizen has more options.Nov 15 01:10
oiaohmThere is such thing as too smart for your own good.   Diablo-D3Nov 15 01:11
oiaohmOnce you start building tech directly linking to mind you are on a very risky slope.Nov 15 01:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Homer Simpson, Stan Smith, Peter Griffiths, Sterling Archer. Blokes behaving like clowns are obviously funny.Nov 15 01:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] » Why Is #China Building These Gigantic Structures In the Middle of the Desert? #xfiles 15 01:13
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prurigrooiaohm: once nano machines are released onto society, a badly programmed nanobot could potentially self replicate itself using other matter as a basis + energy until the entire universe was nothing but nanomachinesNov 15 01:16
prurigrothere are quite a few doomsday scenariosNov 15 01:16
prurigrobut its also the potential for an unlimited amount of cool stuff tooNov 15 01:16
prurigroDiablo-D3: define you :)Nov 15 01:17
Diablo-D3hrm?Nov 15 01:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I will watch out for him.Nov 15 01:18
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oiaohmprurigro: also the question is if it will be gray goo nano or gray goo fake natureNov 15 01:18
oiaohmprurigro: Yes they are design a OS for a batteria of all things.Nov 15 01:19
prurigronano/fake nature? what is this grey goo? our brains?Nov 15 01:21
oiaohm  prurigroNov 15 01:23
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schestowitzwhat is this musckle that pumps blood?Nov 15 01:23
oiaohmYes we humans are getting very scary.Nov 15 01:23
schestowitz"it's where feelings are"Nov 15 01:23
schestowitzand there there is the soulNov 15 01:24
schestowitzit's translucentNov 15 01:24
oiaohmprurigro: basically there were not enough natural creatures so we are now trying to design our own.Nov 15 01:24
oiaohmprurigro: that could be trouble of course.Nov 15 01:24
oiaohmprurigro: particularly take into account we know of bacteria that can live very happyly in a radioactive reactor core.Nov 15 01:26
schestowitze are creationistsNov 15 01:26
schestowitzwe reproduce evolution, creating speciesNov 15 01:26
oiaohmNot exactly we are after to produce creature that can evolve faster than evolution.  schestowitzNov 15 01:27
prurigrowe did create god in our own image, afterallNov 15 01:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Blow monkies... I am going off radio 6.Nov 15 01:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Two star war films were rated in the 90% plus? Who did they ask?Nov 15 01:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Two star wars films were rated in the 90% plus? Who did they ask?Nov 15 01:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] We know where our letters are.Nov 15 01:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Not having a pop. Just saying that most of us look at strange key orders and work them out.Nov 15 01:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] "Burning Your House Down" The Jim Jones Revue.Nov 15 01:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] If only most Rod Stewart records were as good as gasoline Alley. Some were better but the average was far below.Nov 15 01:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @clacke @tomlegg @klanger Not 4, 1. search/email/youtube/docs ... spreading into Social Networks, building own browser, computers... #1ringNov 15 02:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] British Prime Minister says that the EU is devil personified but he does not want to be made pure just yet.Nov 15 02:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk you mean they haven't?Nov 15 02:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] !drwho new film announced let us hope it is not a car chase in the USA like the last one was. That was what killed Torchwood.Nov 15 02:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] #nanoturtles needs no explanation, @Siri_Paulson :) #nanoturtles r us ..or me, anyway ;D !NaNoWriMoNov 15 02:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Do not speak ill of the dead they were tiny components in life as we are now.Nov 15 02:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] He is a sound bloke.Nov 15 02:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] You two are not weird just unusual which is why I subscribe.Nov 15 02:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] I wonder which Mr Lee this is? 15 02:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] When someone goes along with you it is almost impossible to have an disagreement.Nov 15 02:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Hello, @gomerx ... i'd love to chat but I am mega-behind on my !NaNoWriMo ms... later, dude :) !tzafNov 15 03:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] I hope the real #Kindle is better than their apps for #Android and #webOS. App is no good for books longer than "Barney's bedtime stories".Nov 15 03:58
ender_207018:16 < msb__> prurigro: Maybe.  According to wikipedia, psychopathy may be  genetic, and sociopathy learned.Nov 15 04:15
ender_2070the purpose of ultra wealthy inbreedingNov 15 04:15
DaemonFCfreemasons?Nov 15 04:15
DaemonFC;)Nov 15 04:16
prurigrokeeping in mind that pretty much everything is actually weighted %s of bothNov 15 04:16
ender_207018:53 < Diablo-D3> fucking neanderthalsNov 15 04:17
ender_2070+1Nov 15 04:17
prurigroalso, I believe psychopathy doesn't fully develop unless sociopathy also develops, though don't quote me on thatNov 15 04:20
DaemonFCI believe psychopathy is mostly geneticNov 15 04:21
DaemonFCjust my guess based on the psychopaths I've seenNov 15 04:21
prurigroI've always wondered where wikipedia gets their info on psychopathy and sociopathy on that note, since neither's actually a recognized condition (though sociopathy is typicalyl considered antisocial personality disorder)Nov 15 04:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Yeah. Pinned to an older Android version, from what I've read. I'm going to skip it.Nov 15 04:23
prurigroand hm, yea, I'd say genetic influences would at least need to be strong for a cross wiring to that degreeNov 15 04:23
ender_2070I would think the psychopaths don't want to be discoveredNov 15 04:25
ender_2070LOLNov 15 04:25
ender_2070Since they rise to the top, I'm sure theres a few working on the DSMNov 15 04:26
prurigrothey'd have to be pretty high functioning to have worked their way into the DSM staff to protect themselves hahaNov 15 04:26
ender_2070"Let's see... hmm.. children don't want to listen to me... oppositional defiant disorder! now I can sell drugs and deal with kids easier... buahahaha"Nov 15 04:27
prurigrolol, yea, ODD seems like BS to meNov 15 04:27
prurigroof all disordersNov 15 04:27
ender_2070same with ADDNov 15 04:27
prurigroactually ADD is a proven abnormality in the functioning of the dopamine systemNov 15 04:27
ender_2070isn't that ADHD?Nov 15 04:28
prurigroADHD and ADD are the same, its likely just slightly different areas that the dopamine system is operating incorrectly inNov 15 04:28
ender_2070ADHD includes the hyperactivityNov 15 04:28
ender_2070at least it did when I was misdiagnosedNov 15 04:29
prurigroit doesNov 15 04:29
prurigroI wasn't trying to say they were the same in symptomsNov 15 04:29
ender_2070I had ADD and they were wrong.Nov 15 04:29
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ender_2070lolNov 15 04:29
ender_2070they didn't do any medical testsNov 15 04:29
ender_2070surprise!Nov 15 04:30
prurigroI was saying ADD is just as legit as ADHD, and that the difference in effect is simply how your dopamine system is setup and where the issues areNov 15 04:30
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prurigrolol, there's no physical tests, just behaviouralNov 15 04:30
prurigrothe real test is whether the medication they prescribe helps or hurtsNov 15 04:30
ender_2070didn't you just say above that there is a proven abnormality in the dopamine system?Nov 15 04:30
prurigrokeeping in mind that certain individuals with an abnormally large number of D2 receptors in certain areas respond backwards to ritalin/cocaineNov 15 04:31
ender_2070i don't judge the effectiveness of a drug as proof that the cause existsNov 15 04:31
prurigrothere's a proven abnormality that can't be tested for, and has yet to be fully understoodNov 15 04:32
ender_2070that's because it doesn't existNov 15 04:32
ender_2070it's guessworkNov 15 04:32
prurigrowell in this case, you have a reduced amount of dopamine in a particular area rightNov 15 04:32
ender_2070they have a drug that works to make kids follow orders better and they are finding ways to make it logical to useNov 15 04:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] ...apparently founded in Vermont, and made Colonial furniture at first. Thus the name!Nov 15 04:33
prurigroso rather than maintaining focus when engaged in a task, the brain keeps breaking free, unless there's an unusually high amount of reward associated with it (novel task for example)Nov 15 04:33
ender_2070perhaps the task in question is not interesting?Nov 15 04:33
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ender_2070I had always prioritized by mind on things I was interested in, which didn't work so well for schoolingNov 15 04:34
prurigroif you add dopamine using amphetamine or methylphenidate, then the task becomes focused on, but if you did this to someone with the proper amount already, they're going to become manic because their focus is now being overloadedNov 15 04:34
prurigrowell if the task isn't interesting, that's not ADDNov 15 04:34
ender_2070do you know why their mind keeps breaking free?Nov 15 04:34
ender_2070boredomNov 15 04:34
prurigroits not boredom all the time thoughNov 15 04:35
prurigroand if it is, that's not addNov 15 04:35
ender_2070of course, you pump speed through their veins and they become interestedNov 15 04:35
prurigroits something that yesterday you enjoyed doing a lot and want to do again right nowNov 15 04:35
prurigrobut can't do because it doesn't have enough reward to sustain focusNov 15 04:35
prurigroeven if you'd otherwise be enjoying itNov 15 04:36
prurigroor at least not clawing at your eyeballsNov 15 04:36
prurigrothat said, boring situations become extremely boringNov 15 04:36
prurigroyou know how schizophrenia works?Nov 15 04:36
ender_2070noNov 15 04:36
prurigroits overly sensitive dopamine receptorsNov 15 04:37
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ender_2070that might imply too much rewardNov 15 04:38
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prurigrowhen a dopamine receptor is triggered, it sends a message to produce reward, long term memory formation or what have youNov 15 04:38
ender_2070someone with ADHD would have bad memory?Nov 15 04:38
prurigroit also initiates a process that eventually results in dopamine being released againNov 15 04:38
prurigroslightly less than beforeNov 15 04:38
prurigroto prevent the dopamine system from triggering itself indefinitely, or from an overactive system from doing the same, additional dopamine neurons grow, so next time the same quantity hits, less end up getting bonded withNov 15 04:40
prurigroin schizophrenia, tolerance doesn't occur somewhere along the lines here, and the system begins to self perpetuate, essentially giving the same effects as dexadrine without any drugsNov 15 04:41
prurigroand eventually, the system gets convoluted and overstressed, causing the negative effects to follow a few days of clarity and no need to sleepNov 15 04:41
prurigronow, I'm not gonna go too far in depth here, but the reason I brought this up is because schizophrenia and attention deficit are plieotropicNov 15 04:42
ender_2070ooo, lack of sleep is funNov 15 04:42
prurigromeaning the same gene is responsible for bothNov 15 04:42
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ender_2070I'm guessing it's the same gene, flipped one way gives ADD and flipped the other gives you schitzophrenia ?Nov 15 04:43
prurigroand one of the more popular theories I've been exposed to as to exactly how the dopamine system works incorrectly in people with add, talks about a situation almost the opposite of how schizophrenia worksNov 15 04:43
prurigrothat's my best guess knowing what I knowNov 15 04:43
prurigroautism is also in that geneNov 15 04:44
ender_2070makes senseNov 15 04:44
prurigroand autism is a malfunction in the oxytocin systemNov 15 04:44
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ender_2070I read a story where there was a gene genetically engineered into a kid. What it was called was 'antons key' and what it did.. One way you would grow old and die stupid. The other way you would never stop growing, including your brain and you die a genius at the age of 20.Nov 15 04:45
prurigrololNov 15 04:47
prurigrothat sounds horribleNov 15 04:47
DaemonFC"Let us pray"Nov 15 04:47
DaemonFC"Let us do no such damned thing!"Nov 15 04:47
prurigrolike, as a situation, not the storyNov 15 04:47
DaemonFCpricelessNov 15 04:47
ender_2070"Anton's Key" unlocks unlimited brain growth and continual formation of new neurons, allowing the person access to the intellectual miracles of infancy (language acquisition, physical dexterity and all other forms of learning) throughout their entire life.Nov 15 04:47
DaemonFChow many times I've wanted to say thatNov 15 04:47
ender_2070 The disadvantage of Anton's Key is that the body grows along with the brain, resulting in unstoppable giantism.Nov 15 04:48
ender_2070that's a better explanationNov 15 04:48
ender_2070's_Game_series#Anton.27s_KeyNov 15 04:48
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prurigrohaha, its funny though, because a smaller brain is actually more intelligent, in the endNov 15 04:48
prurigrorelative to the body sizeNov 15 04:48
ender_2070well, the neuronsNov 15 04:49
ender_2070if you have more, the betterNov 15 04:49
ender_2070much like a processor, smaller and more detailed circuitryNov 15 04:50
prurigronaddaNov 15 04:50
prurigromore neurons means more potentialNov 15 04:50
prurigromore initial potential is better, trueNov 15 04:50
prurigrobut a child has some huge number like 70% more neurons than an adultNov 15 04:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Contest here! 15 04:51
ender_2070yes but by the time they are an adult they no longer know how to thinkNov 15 04:51
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prurigropotential is slow and messy thoughNov 15 04:51
prurigroits reducing the number of available neurons that makes an adult so efficient in comparisonNov 15 04:52
ender_2070I argue they aren't more efficientNov 15 04:52
ender_2070perhaps in the world we've madeNov 15 04:52
ender_2070societyNov 15 04:52
ender_2070people don't really 'think' anymore, very few doNov 15 04:52
ender_2070most people just repeat something they've seen or have done a few timesNov 15 04:52
prurigrowell for exampleNov 15 04:53
prurigrowe used to have bigger brainsNov 15 04:53
ender_2070neanderthals didNov 15 04:53
prurigroand as we evolved to become more intelligent, the size of our brains shrunkNov 15 04:53
prurigrothem tooNov 15 04:53
ender_2070they were born with the same sized brains, and got bigger as they got olderNov 15 04:53
prurigroneanderthals?Nov 15 04:54
ender_2070also you might not want to go down this route with me LOLNov 15 04:54
prurigrolol, well I studied this very topic in the biology of behaviourNov 15 04:54
ender_2070let's just say pandra's boxNov 15 04:55
prurigroand learned why this is the way it is right down to the cellular levelNov 15 04:55
prurigroimo thoughNov 15 04:55
ender_2070pandora'sNov 15 04:55
prurigroif a larger brain was going to be more intelligentNov 15 04:55
prurigroit would need to belong to a species that lived longer than oursNov 15 04:56
ender_2070yes exactly lolNov 15 04:56
ender_2070neanderthalsNov 15 04:56
prurigrodid they live longer?Nov 15 04:57
ender_2070no idea, haven't met oneNov 15 04:57
prurigrodid I mention the adhd/autism/schizophrenia gene comes from Neanderthals?Nov 15 04:57
ender_2070I think you did aboveNov 15 04:57
ender_2070guess what thoNov 15 04:57
ender_2070did you know there is a race of people without the neanderthal gene?Nov 15 04:57
prurigrodidn't you say you had ADD?Nov 15 04:57
ender_2070errNov 15 04:58
ender_2070I should say *without neanderthal dna*Nov 15 04:58
prurigrodon't a bunch of African locales lack it?Nov 15 04:58
ender_2070yes exactlyNov 15 04:58
prurigroand Asia has a completely different species interbredNov 15 04:58
ender_2070yes, but what I go into is ancient genetic engineeringNov 15 04:59
ender_2070which is why I say pandora's boxNov 15 04:59
prurigrothat seems to be the theme of evolution in general, for the most partNov 15 04:59
ender_2070most believe pure evolution or pure creationNov 15 05:00
prurigrowe've come at a very lucky timeNov 15 05:00
ender_2070i blieve a little bit of bothNov 15 05:00
ender_2070believeNov 15 05:00
prurigroin what respect?Nov 15 05:00
ender_2070evolution up to neanderthal, then the rest was genetically engineeredNov 15 05:00
ender_2070up to neanderthal and habilisNov 15 05:00
ender_2070since they were seperateNov 15 05:01
prurigrowait, explain yourself?Nov 15 05:01
ender_2070from what I understand habilis was modified by the neanderthals and they made cro magnonNov 15 05:01
ender_2070this will fly over your headNov 15 05:02
prurigroerr I'm thinking more in the respect of creationNov 15 05:02
ender_2070well thats the 'creation' partNov 15 05:02
ender_2070genetic engineeringNov 15 05:02
ender_2070a lot of ancient civs have creation myths that sound the sameNov 15 05:03
ender_2070'modified man in our image'Nov 15 05:03
prurigrowho did this genetic engineering?Nov 15 05:03
ender_2070the neanderthalsNov 15 05:04
prurigroby interbreeding?Nov 15 05:04
ender_2070no, manipulating dnaNov 15 05:04
ender_2070litterallyNov 15 05:04
ender_2070like we would todayNov 15 05:04
ender_2070i'm not asking you to believe any of this but your gene info is very interestingNov 15 05:05
ender_2070they used a biological quantum super computerNov 15 05:05
ender_2070i've seen this type of mechanics done naturally by plants and I suspect certain insects use quantum entanglementNov 15 05:06
ender_2070if there is any truth to psychics i suspect a quantum entanglement linkNov 15 05:06
prurigrowell see now, my foundation of reality essentially allows for ever logically structured possibility (the bible cannot work for example, because it contradicts itself) without accepting anything except for possibly an awareness of my own existenceNov 15 05:07
ender_2070as well, if neanderthals had larger brains and psychic type stuff is real - then it opens up a lot of stuff to think aboutNov 15 05:07
ender_2070the bible has two purposesNov 15 05:07
ender_20701) lead the massesNov 15 05:08
ender_20702) encoded secret messagesNov 15 05:08
prurigroso your idea is possible in my mind, but I'm curious what, to you, makes it more possible than an infinite number of other possible explanationsNov 15 05:08
prurigroI think the bible has the ability to control people, and its purpose depends on whoever wields itNov 15 05:08
prurigroencoded secret messages were done at least by the druidsNov 15 05:09
ender_2070same peopleNov 15 05:09
prurigroas?Nov 15 05:09
ender_2070the same secret society down the ages who has gone by different namesNov 15 05:09
ender_2070most of the public names are for showNov 15 05:09
ender_2070like the freemasons, they're for showNov 15 05:10
ender_2070they have more power than most, but they are still puppetsNov 15 05:10
prurigroI think you give people too much creditNov 15 05:10
prurigrosecret societies come and go as the power structures and resources they control come and goNov 15 05:10
ender_2070there is definately a lot to think aboutNov 15 05:11
prurigrothe idea of a secret society in the first place is a story of the ages, but any additional conspiracy would have to be met with the question 'why?'Nov 15 05:11
ender_2070the goal?Nov 15 05:11
prurigroyeaNov 15 05:11
ender_2070space flightNov 15 05:12
prurigroand hiding throughout all this time?Nov 15 05:12
ender_2070the best place to survive for a very long term would be undergroundNov 15 05:12
ender_2070somewhere near a water bodyNov 15 05:13
prurigroand still, while an amusing possibility, I'm curious why you present this scenario as more possible than other possibilities?Nov 15 05:13
ender_2070prurigro - its something im working onNov 15 05:13
prurigroas a background for a story?Nov 15 05:14
ender_2070prurigro - i'm like alice, having gone down the rabbit holeNov 15 05:14
ender_2070i've been researching conspiracy theories technically since I was 13 and interested in UFOsNov 15 05:14
prurigrobeen there- the answer to everything is everything :)Nov 15 05:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Other away around for me.Nov 15 05:14
ender_2070background for historyNov 15 05:14
prurigroso you've read some of this stuff before?Nov 15 05:15
prurigroor is this your own contribution to the collection?Nov 15 05:15
ender_2070I've read, watched, listened to this stuffNov 15 05:15
ender_2070this theory I'm presenting in particularNov 15 05:15
ender_2070it sounded insane at first, but it was more logical in my mind than reptilian aliens doing itNov 15 05:16
prurigrodid they suggest why this might be more likely than the less fun explanation?Nov 15 05:16
ender_2070prurigro - well, if I didn't go back so far in time I would have been looking at the last 200 yearsNov 15 05:16
ender_2070where Adam Weishapt and the Illuminati were planning shitNov 15 05:17
ender_2070but they have bosses tooNov 15 05:17
prurigrowell we know there was a secret societyNov 15 05:17
prurigrobut its the "therefore this" that I can't understand the reasoning behindNov 15 05:18
ender_2070they were involved in the french revolution, as well as funding and setting up Karl Marx and EnglesNov 15 05:18
ender_2070the same bankers involved in that setup the Fabian Society - its goal is a slow gradual conversion of the world to socialism - Fabias is their logoNov 15 05:18
ender_2070coincidence theory - every labour MP in UK was a member of the Fabian SocietyNov 15 05:19
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ender_2070one or two coincidences can be written offNov 15 05:20
ender_2070but when you run into so many of them, its hard toNov 15 05:20
prurigrowell I mean, think about it this wayNov 15 05:20
ender_2070its too easy to destroy evidence, sometimes that is all you haveNov 15 05:20
prurigroyou have a secret society of powerful people who can influence thingsNov 15 05:21
oiaohm  Now this has a lot of issue.  Phone bandwidth usage.  Also idea of voice processing at some remote server.Nov 15 05:21
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ender_2070you have no secret people who can influence things tooNov 15 05:21
ender_2070nonNov 15 05:21
prurigrolike today's bilderberg groupNov 15 05:21
ender_2070yesNov 15 05:21
ender_2070the content is secretNov 15 05:21
ender_2070the fact the meetings take place isn'tNov 15 05:21
prurigrothe specifics are secret, but the big picture seems pretty clear to meNov 15 05:22
oiaohmAnd these days minutes of secret meets is only time before they are released to public.Nov 15 05:22
prurigromoney and powerNov 15 05:23
ender_2070Paul Martin used to go to bilderberg meetingsNov 15 05:23
ender_2070he is a Canadian politicianNov 15 05:23
oiaohmReally no prurigro you are missing a factor.Nov 15 05:23
oiaohmMore and more jobs are being done by machine prurigroNov 15 05:23
ender_2070it was there where they told him he had to fix the canadian economyNov 15 05:23
ender_2070he was told to cut programsNov 15 05:23
ender_2070etcNov 15 05:23
ender_2070he almost cut healthcare but the official opposition used it against himNov 15 05:24
prurigrooiaohm: as more jobs are being done by machines, even more jobs of a more complex nature are opened up to peopleNov 15 05:24
prurigroI remember Paul Martin-- he actually saved us from what the US went throughNov 15 05:24
prurigroby preventing the merger of the major banksNov 15 05:24
oiaohmprurigro: In fact no.Nov 15 05:25
ender_2070those major banks are still fucking usNov 15 05:25
ender_2070pardon my frenchNov 15 05:25
oiaohmprurigro: there is a upper level to the number of complex jobs there are todo.Nov 15 05:25
ender_2070I would love it if Canada printed more of its own moneyNov 15 05:25
oiaohmprurigro: and there is a little on the numbers of people who can think at that level.Nov 15 05:25
prurigrolol, yea, I wouldn't wish what those banks are doing on any countryNov 15 05:25
ender_2070100% instead of 5%Nov 15 05:25
prurigrooiaohm: we're not reducing the jobs though, we're jus tincreasing what we're able to accomplishNov 15 05:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] listening to #ThisAmericanLive, thanks !fsf for introducing me to it via the patents thing.Nov 15 05:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @t1mdp al lang gedaan.Nov 15 05:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @t1mdp is libreoffice eigenlijk nog niet geport naar android? #nieuwmasterproefonderwerpNov 15 05:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @Priang_el @Fiedelewie slapen is voor mensen met te weinig werk ;)Nov 15 05:26
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @VincentVQ wat is er gebeurd?Nov 15 05:26
prurigrolost jobs are an economic issueNov 15 05:26
prurigroand if anything, introducing women into the work force was the biggest strain we've seen yet, technology simply renders certain people obsoleteNov 15 05:27
ender_2070nano machines :)Nov 15 05:27
prurigronano machines will change everythingNov 15 05:27
oiaohmprurigro: fake nature will come first.Nov 15 05:27
prurigrocapable of engineering resources, noone will need to compete, and the race will be over, ideallyNov 15 05:27
ender_2070the problem isNov 15 05:27
ender_2070most people don't work skilled jobsNov 15 05:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] BBC asks how widespread is male rape in African conflicts. Bluntly sodomy is easy to avoid if you do not want to bury your cock there.Nov 15 05:28
ender_2070at least those I know, except my coworkersNov 15 05:28
prurigroeveryone I know works skilled jobsNov 15 05:28
oiaohmAnd more and more non skilled jobs are going by by.Nov 15 05:28
prurigroexcept for teenagersNov 15 05:28
prurigrowho work at places like walmart and fast foodNov 15 05:28
prurigrobefore going to universityNov 15 05:28
ender_2070when I was growing up I was pressured into taking *any* job, and my parents were mad that I was just applying for computer stuffNov 15 05:28
prurigrobefore or after starting your career?Nov 15 05:29
ender_2070before and during the beginningNov 15 05:29
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oiaohmprurigro: the jobs that remain are the jobs we have not been able to replace with machines yet.Nov 15 05:29
prurigrowell I can't blame you for trying to stay on target with your career once it startedNov 15 05:29
oiaohmLike fruit picking.Nov 15 05:29
prurigroyo, I live in a reasonably big cityNov 15 05:30
ender_2070I knew people from school who could get computer store jobs and they were idiotsNov 15 05:30
prurigroand noone picks fruit hereNov 15 05:30
ender_2070I wasn't going to settle for lessNov 15 05:30
oiaohmprurigro: truck drivers will go by by.Nov 15 05:31
prurigroI used to work for a guy who did shipping and receiving for a grocery store and he made like nothingNov 15 05:31
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prurigrolike 16/hrNov 15 05:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] voted for "Joe Namath"Nov 15 05:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Pack the polls in they are a pain in the arse.Nov 15 05:31
oiaohmBasically more and more jobs will cease to exist.  prurigroNov 15 05:31
prurigroand he had a degree in chemistryNov 15 05:31
prurigrobut had taken the first job that appeared and ended up too tired to apply for others for yearsNov 15 05:31
ender_2070oiaohm - more and more will open up tooNov 15 05:31
oiaohmQuestion is how long before shoping centre shelfs stack themselves.Nov 15 05:31
ender_2070prurigro - thats what I was afraid ofNov 15 05:32
oiaohmender_2070: If you look closer more are not opening up.Nov 15 05:32
ender_2070oiaohm - be a climate scientist, job 4 lifeNov 15 05:32
oiaohmThey are not new jobs.  ender_2070Nov 15 05:32
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ender_2070be a pure skeptic thenNov 15 05:33
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ender_2070murdoch will give you some cashNov 15 05:33
oiaohmThis is the thing we have about hit a job devisity platu.  ender_2070Nov 15 05:33
ender_2070you're forgetting new technology will get invented which opens up jobsNov 15 05:33
oiaohmReally that is not what is happening.Nov 15 05:34
ender_2070we need to push technology furtherNov 15 05:34
ender_2070got off this planet, and we can have a job for everyoneNov 15 05:34
oiaohmReally to get off the planet we need to be able to take less.Nov 15 05:35
ender_2070oiaohm - Orwell solved your problem at the end of 1984Nov 15 05:35
ender_2070lolNov 15 05:35
oiaohmThis is the problem ender_2070Nov 15 05:35
prurigrowait, was this hate on climate science I heard?Nov 15 05:35
oiaohmbio chemies adding OS to bacteria so they can be programed to make any chemical.Nov 15 05:36
ender_2070noNov 15 05:36
prurigroThere's something computers will never replace btwNov 15 05:36
ender_2070no hate on climate scienceNov 15 05:36
oiaohmprurigro: art?Nov 15 05:37
prurigronot because they couldn't, but because creativity is enjoyed by others in part through understanding the person who created itNov 15 05:37
prurigroits humans bonding with humansNov 15 05:37
ender_2070i concede there is warming, but i don't blame *us*, if anyone I blame corps and think they are doing it deliberately to kill us off (enacting oiaohm's job to person capita problem)Nov 15 05:37
prurigroand art's in thereNov 15 05:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Re British PM and the British in general wrt Europe. How long before the mainland Europeans loose patience with us and tell us to fuck off.Nov 15 05:38
prurigroeven accountingNov 15 05:39
ender_2070computers can create art and music, but need a human to make it goodNov 15 05:39
prurigronot to mention, if a computer was the sole creator, that connection with the artist would be missingNov 15 05:39
prurigrobut that's the extreme anywayNov 15 05:40
oiaohmender_2070: Look at what is being research.  Extend human live  bio computers that can be intergrated into the human body.Nov 15 05:40
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prurigrosoftware developmentNov 15 05:40
prurigroproduct designNov 15 05:40
ender_2070oiaohm - we won't get thatNov 15 05:40
prurigroetcNov 15 05:40
oiaohmender_2070: to travel to other worlds it the kind of tech we need.Nov 15 05:41
ender_2070ohhhNov 15 05:41
oiaohmBecause you want to send the least number of people.Nov 15 05:41
ender_2070interesting, yes it couldNov 15 05:41
ender_2070oiaohm - that's the goalNov 15 05:41
oiaohmThis is the problem we are facing.Nov 15 05:41
ender_2070alsoNov 15 05:41
ender_2070they will solve that oneNov 15 05:41
prurigroender_2070: when you say you don't blame 'us', do you mean us in this room?Nov 15 05:41
ender_2070prurigro - us in this room, and normal peopleNov 15 05:41
oiaohmender_2070: Exacty the goal is to be able to leave earth.Nov 15 05:41
ender_2070oiaohm - the goal of less peopleNov 15 05:42
oiaohmender_2070: and in the process job requirements to do stuffNov 15 05:42
oiaohmdrops massively.Nov 15 05:42
prurigroif any of us are, we haven't been provided a way not to, and in that respect, I'd agreeNov 15 05:42
ender_2070oiaohm - they have already got a plan to drop the staff required in halfNov 15 05:42
ender_2070oiaohm - space colonizers will be hyrmaphroditesNov 15 05:42
oiaohmAlso being able to fuse bio computer into human bodyNov 15 05:43
prurigrospreading our population out doesn't sound like a very permenant fixNov 15 05:43
ender_2070i didn't spell that correctlyNov 15 05:43
oiaohmwould allow us to live in a more hositle envorment.Nov 15 05:43
oiaohmThan what we currently can tollerate.Nov 15 05:43
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oiaohmMaybe we have worked out we have stuffed everything up.Nov 15 05:43
prurigrolol, wait wait, is this still the conspiracy theory?Nov 15 05:43
ender_2070end game is male and female in one body, with a computer link built inNov 15 05:43
ender_2070for space colonizationNov 15 05:44
ender_2070yeah its a conspiracyNov 15 05:44
prurigrololNov 15 05:44
prurigrokkNov 15 05:44
ender_2070it makes sense though if you want to colonize spaceNov 15 05:44
prurigrohows it so specific?Nov 15 05:44
ender_2070less people if you only need 1 to reproduceNov 15 05:44
prurigroif you only need one to reproduce, your species dies off quicklyNov 15 05:45
prurigroyou need variabilityNov 15 05:45
oiaohmprurigro: bio computers Nov 15 05:45
prurigrowhy reproduce at all then?Nov 15 05:45
oiaohmthe bugger can edit dna.  prurigroNov 15 05:45
ender_2070would you if you had genetic engineering ability and a planet full of samples ?Nov 15 05:45
oiaohmBasically you could compress the complete human bio devesity to a single cell.  prurigroNov 15 05:46
prurigroif my goal was to create a human alien hybridNov 15 05:46
ender_2070you send single pods everywhere and they can survive long enough to receive reinforcementsNov 15 05:46
prurigrowhat's the strategy here though? to multiply and conquer?Nov 15 05:47
ender_2070oiaohm - my theory beind noah's ark is that it's a DNA storage bank, makes more sense than a boat containing EVERY pair of EVERY animalNov 15 05:47
ender_2070just allegoryNov 15 05:47
ender_2070prurigo - multiply and conquer, assimilate other speciesNov 15 05:48
ender_2070learn everythingNov 15 05:48
ender_2070the borg from star trek, allegoryNov 15 05:49
ender_2070this all sounds completely insane, but there is a method to the madness.Nov 15 05:49
prurigrohaven't we just turned into a more complex HIV if we decide to go that route?Nov 15 05:49
ender_2070interesting comparisonNov 15 05:50
ender_2070agent smith in the matrixNov 15 05:50
ender_2070there is a book called 'The Third Eye' by Sophia StewartNov 15 05:50
prurigroI like to think our purpose is to explore and understand; learn for the fun of it, and procreate only because that's as much of an experience as any otherNov 15 05:50
ender_2070it was plagariszed twiceNov 15 05:50
ender_2070Terminator, and The MatrixNov 15 05:51
ender_2070the way her story wentNov 15 05:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] 05.43 prayer for the day on radio 4 it is class not like those vicious nasty atheists trying to cause harm generally ;)Nov 15 05:51
ender_2070it basicly starts off with terminator, and the end result is the matrixNov 15 05:51
ender_2070as far as the plot goes, but john connor is in the matrix, not in the real worldNov 15 05:52
ender_2070its supposed to be an allegory for the second coming of christ, the author is a christianNov 15 05:52
prurigrowhat you're describing involves aggressively multiplying to conquer this place without even a need for what we'd gainNov 15 05:52
ender_2070prurigro - isn't that the definition of our current system?Nov 15 05:53
prurigrothe majority of the philosophies in the matrix were taken from much older philosophy than anything written in the past 100 yearsNov 15 05:53
ender_2070for sureNov 15 05:54
ender_2070it goes back to at least PlatoNov 15 05:54
oiaohmSerousally the tech we heading down make the borg from star trek look primitive.Nov 15 05:54
ender_2070oiaohm - yes it doesNov 15 05:54
prurigroender_2070: that's how certain, less desirable end of humanity prove we have the potential forNov 15 05:54
oiaohmOnce you can build fully functional and programable bio computersNov 15 05:54
prurigrobut we, right now, can decide what humanity is while we're in control, at leastNov 15 05:54
oiaohmthere is almost no limit.Nov 15 05:55
oiaohmRemember you can extract iron and other metals using bacteria.Nov 15 05:55
ender_2070oiaohm - thats the problem with explaining my conspiracy theory with peopleNov 15 05:55
prurigroexactly-- so why use them to turn ourselves into some kind of virus?Nov 15 05:55
ender_2070oiaohm - i've assumed this has already occured in the pastNov 15 05:55
oiaohmprurigro: simple fact here remember zombie insects exist.Nov 15 05:56
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ender_2070prurigo - hive mind bio computer took over from the neanderthalsNov 15 05:56
ender_2070like Hal, Skynet, countless other A.I systems in allegorical moviesNov 15 05:56
prurigrowell I mean, if you're talking about a horrific future that we haven't created for ourselves, sure, but I was under the impression this was somehow the logical thing to doNov 15 05:57
prurigroand while all logically consistent as far as I can tell so farNov 15 05:57
prurigroI think you've forgotten one important partNov 15 05:57
ender_2070cheap economical and resource friendly space colonization requires less peopleNov 15 05:57
ender_2070less food, etcNov 15 05:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Question.What do you call a mal functioning democracy? Not that it needs any help to be fucked up but the answer is constitutional monarchy.Nov 15 05:58
prurigrosee, the Neanderthals aren't actually an ancient human like speciesNov 15 05:58
oiaohm  This is what nature can do prurigroNov 15 05:58
prurigrothey're what we become once bio machines have modified usNov 15 05:58
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oiaohmOnce you have bio computer you are not looking at always good outcomes.Nov 15 05:59
prurigroand with this new age of technology, we're going to find outselves with the ability to travel to the pastNov 15 05:59
ender_2070it won't be the same pastNov 15 05:59
prurigrowhich we'll realize is necessary when it becomes apparent that we are the species that travelled back in time originally to genetically modify human DNANov 15 05:59
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prurigroit is the same past thoughNov 15 05:59
ender_2070once you jump back it's another universeNov 15 06:00
oiaohmunless time turns out to be a loop ender_2070Nov 15 06:00
oiaohmThen the past is the future.Nov 15 06:00
prurigroits not thoughNov 15 06:00
ender_2070how do you loop when you can't go backNov 15 06:00
prurigrosee, there are multiple universes, but they're all the same tooNov 15 06:00
prurigroexactly oiaohmNov 15 06:00
prurigromaybe we triggered its beginning somewhere along the line, but as far as we're concerned at this point, we need to go back to sustain the futureNov 15 06:01
ender_2070the best theory i've researched says that there are parallel universesNov 15 06:01
oiaohmReally prurigroNov 15 06:01
prurigrohere, listen to thisNov 15 06:01
oiaohmThink once we can modify ourselfs what do we need to live.Nov 15 06:01
ender_2070time travel would make you jump into one of them, not your real pastNov 15 06:01
prurigrothey discovered a formula about two years backNov 15 06:02
oiaohmThere are create on earth that we don't know how old they are.Nov 15 06:02
ender_2070how could you logically go somewhere you werent' beforeNov 15 06:02
prurigrothat allows you to calculate before timeNov 15 06:02
prurigroie: prior to the big bangNov 15 06:02
ender_2070hmmmNov 15 06:02
prurigroand what they found was that the was another universe with identical properties to oursNov 15 06:02
ender_2070yesNov 15 06:02
prurigrohowever, the laws of physics operated in the opposite directionNov 15 06:02
prurigromeaning time travels the opposite directionNov 15 06:02
ender_2070there would be one like thatNov 15 06:02
prurigroyesNov 15 06:02
ender_2070every conceivable possibility would have it's own universeNov 15 06:03
prurigronow, this universe mirroring oursNov 15 06:03
prurigroin every way except for its directionNov 15 06:03
prurigrois actually the same universe as oursNov 15 06:03
ender_2070interestingNov 15 06:03
ender_2070like a mirror copyNov 15 06:03
prurigroyeaNov 15 06:04
ender_2070why notNov 15 06:04
prurigrosustaining some kind of stabilityNov 15 06:04
ender_2070if you have every possibility in it's own universe, why not the reverseNov 15 06:04
prurigroas possible outcomes attempt to break offNov 15 06:04
ender_2070that makes senseNov 15 06:04
prurigrohmm, you brought up an interesting point actuallyNov 15 06:04
prurigroI was thinking about it in too few dimensionsNov 15 06:04
prurigroand you're right, that still completely allows for a new universe to sprout up when you travel thereNov 15 06:05
ender_2070i've sure theres infinite in reverseNov 15 06:05
prurigroI stand corrected :)Nov 15 06:05
prurigrohave either of you seen the movie 'mr nobody'?Nov 15 06:05
ender_2070noNov 15 06:05
prurigroits jared leto hahaNov 15 06:05
prurigrobut yeaNov 15 06:05
ender_2070theres one that sounds similar to thisNov 15 06:05
ender_2070where a guy ages in reverseNov 15 06:05
prurigroits about a guy who lives the entire set of all possible versions of himself, including the null setNov 15 06:06
oiaohmprurigro: creatures exist that can age in reverse.Nov 15 06:06
ender_2070The Curious Case of Benjamin ButtonNov 15 06:06
prurigroand completely incoherent in respect to the flow of timeNov 15 06:06
oiaohmbio make up has no requirement that we have to age in one direction.Nov 15 06:06
prurigrowell it sort of doesNov 15 06:07
oiaohmOther than our dna being locked that way.Nov 15 06:07
prurigroand sort of doesn'tNov 15 06:07
ender_2070oiaohm - perhaps there is truth in Satanic records being played backwards ;)Nov 15 06:07
ender_2070a time traveling demon would get to hear it properlyNov 15 06:07
ender_2070LOLNov 15 06:07  prurigro read some of the top creatures here.Nov 15 06:07
prurigroour telomeres shorten as we age, and while they can be restored with telomerase, the process of aging take place in whichever direction physics travelsNov 15 06:07
prurigrowe're the only species that I'm aware of that ages in the manner humans doNov 15 06:08
ender_2070???Nov 15 06:08
oiaohmYes as insane as it sounds you could cycle between being a baby to adult and back again.Nov 15 06:08
prurigrovia telomeres?Nov 15 06:08
prurigrohahaNov 15 06:08
prurigrooiaohm: you'll really like mr nobody if you check it out :)Nov 15 06:08
prurigroironically, we've achieved eternal youth in any cell that becomes cancerousNov 15 06:09
prurigrootherwise its a tumour that grows itself to deathNov 15 06:09
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oiaohmprurigro: reason for requiring bio computers to deal with cancerousNov 15 06:10
oiaohmThe tech we are heading to is living for ever.Nov 15 06:11
oiaohmI am not exactly sure if I want that.Nov 15 06:11
ender_2070david suzuki slipped something about a technology that could extend life to ~500 years, but take that one with a grain of saltNov 15 06:11
prurigrooiaohm: and for flicking the switch on telomerase in an extremely controlled manner, since processes like apoptosis are key to our functioning as wellNov 15 06:11
prurigroI've seen a few actuallyNov 15 06:11
prurigroin fact, a friend of mine has built himself a lab to push forward in that directionNov 15 06:12
oiaohmender_2070: bio computers promise more than that.Nov 15 06:12
oiaohmThe issue is will our minds take past 500 years.Nov 15 06:12
ender_2070oiaohm - I think the elite will get themNov 15 06:12
ender_2070ironic, they keep doing things that are bad for themNov 15 06:13
prurigrooiaohm: we still need to understand the process before we start poking around in it too heavily, unless you're suggesting simply building a new bodyNov 15 06:13
ender_2070inbreeding did a number, and now brain degradationNov 15 06:13
ender_2070lolNov 15 06:13
oiaohmAnd the question is if we fuse perfectly with bio computers.Nov 15 06:13
prurigroluckily, your memory is stored in your dnaNov 15 06:13
oiaohmbio computers will be able to replace every cell in your body techically.Nov 15 06:13
oiaohm1 by 1 prurigroNov 15 06:14
ender_2070prurigro - do you believe in genetic memory?Nov 15 06:14
prurigrothe question is though, are we our meat, or our energy?Nov 15 06:14
prurigroender_2070: I don't just believe, I've studied it in universityNov 15 06:14
oiaohmHeck we could become part plant part human hybreds.Nov 15 06:14
prurigroits not necessarily transfered in humans thoughNov 15 06:14
prurigrofrom mother to childrenNov 15 06:14
ender_2070why notNov 15 06:14
ender_2070not 'memories'Nov 15 06:15
prurigrowe haven't seen anything to suggest that we can, and despite it being possible, we might just not have evolved to take advantage of thatNov 15 06:15
prurigro'memories' could realistically be transferred actuallyNov 15 06:15
prurigroits not that ridiculous a conceptNov 15 06:15
oiaohmReally you are not thinking the worse prurigroNov 15 06:15
ender_2070what about grey matter in the spine?Nov 15 06:15
prurigrothe information in a memory is stored on the end of a DNA sequenceNov 15 06:15
prurigroits possible we do transfer memoriesNov 15 06:16
oiaohmthe worst option is the means to clone self.  prurigroNov 15 06:16
prurigrowe just haven't proven we doNov 15 06:16
oiaohmIe make a exact copy of your self now.Nov 15 06:16
ender_2070i've heard some wild theoriesNov 15 06:16
oiaohmfrom a stack of bio computer matter you have laying around.Nov 15 06:16
prurigroyou can feed a rat another rat's brain matter, and it'll be able to solve a maze the dead rat had been taught more quickly than any other rat (without brain matter)Nov 15 06:16
ender_2070LOL and gruesomeNov 15 06:17
prurigroactuallyNov 15 06:17
oiaohmprurigro: or just simple have the clone self.Nov 15 06:17
prurigroI dunno if plants and humans could be hybridNov 15 06:17
prurigrothinking about itNov 15 06:17
prurigroplants have a cell wallNov 15 06:17
oiaohmAnd where is that a problem.Nov 15 06:17
prurigromaking communicating with a system like ours incompatibleNov 15 06:17
oiaohmcell wall would just make harder skin.Nov 15 06:17
prurigrobut our entire body is kind of like a brain in that it all communicates with everything elseNov 15 06:18
oiaohmWhen you are talking bio computer controlled.Nov 15 06:18
prurigroadd a plant, and its the equivalent to adding a metal upgradeNov 15 06:18
oiaohmYou are not talking full body hybreds.Nov 15 06:18
prurigrobut there's no input or output to controlNov 15 06:18
oiaohmYou can just do surface areas.Nov 15 06:18
prurigroyou'd be building something that's not a plantNov 15 06:18
oiaohmAnd its not animail either.  prurigroNov 15 06:19
prurigroor you'd be using it like we have fingernails, maybeNov 15 06:19
prurigroit'd be something newNov 15 06:19
prurigrotoucheNov 15 06:19
prurigroyou even made me say it :)Nov 15 06:19
oiaohmIt a hybredNov 15 06:19
prurigroa plant-animal HYBRID!Nov 15 06:19
prurigroboo rahNov 15 06:19
oiaohmbut its not like any hybred we have ever seen before.Nov 15 06:19
prurigroI wasn't thinking on the micro level, but it makes senseNov 15 06:19
prurigrothat saidNov 15 06:20
prurigrowhy plant/animalNov 15 06:20
prurigrosurely there's something more perfect than eitherNov 15 06:20
oiaohmplant cells are stronger to radition.Nov 15 06:20
ender_2070animal/amphibianNov 15 06:20
prurigroand cold, but they lose the ability to move around as easily for itNov 15 06:20
oiaohmamphidian has a hard time with radition.Nov 15 06:20
prurigronot to mention, radiation isn't as huge a deal with nanobotsNov 15 06:21
oiaohmBut this is more harderning humans.Nov 15 06:21
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oiaohmnanobots are more limited at it than bio computers.Nov 15 06:21
prurigrowhy not have the nanobots literally sitting on you, unseenNov 15 06:21
oiaohmNumber they are nanobotsNov 15 06:21
ender_2070you could probably even engineer a type of skin that converts radiation into something elseNov 15 06:21
prurigroand when something hits you hard, they quickly cluster together into a shieldNov 15 06:21
oiaohmSo radition can go around them.Nov 15 06:22
ender_2070is there any life that does that?Nov 15 06:22
prurigrothey could repair the damage though no?Nov 15 06:22
oiaohmand if they do custer up to a point to be hard they will block you sence of touch anyhow.Nov 15 06:22
oiaohmBasically cell wall you still have quite a resonable sence of touch.Nov 15 06:22
prurigroor why not just replace your entire body with an equivalent cell made of a nanobot?Nov 15 06:22
oiaohmYou have to get the bio interface.Nov 15 06:22
oiaohmnano machines and bio interfaces are uggly.Nov 15 06:23
prurigroare they?Nov 15 06:23
ender_2070you could have the interface in your mindNov 15 06:23
oiaohmnano machines do not produce bio checemicals.  prurigroNov 15 06:24
oiaohmYou need bio chemcial to talk to nerve cells without damaging them.Nov 15 06:24
oiaohmbasically bio computer can talk bio simply.Nov 15 06:24
prurigroI saw a video showing a nanobot that was capable of building any molecule, including itselfNov 15 06:24
ender_2070I thought a nano machine could rebuild anything at a sub atomic levelNov 15 06:24
prurigrowhich had to be specifically programmed out of itNov 15 06:24
prurigroto prevent that particular doomsday scenarioNov 15 06:24
oiaohmprurigro: problem is you need volume.Nov 15 06:25
prurigroender_2070: yea, that's what I understood as wellNov 15 06:25
oiaohm1 molecule is not going to cut it.Nov 15 06:25
prurigrooiaohm: you use the same systems as currently existNov 15 06:25
ender_2070however, I thought that it left a grey goo behindNov 15 06:25
ender_2070did they solve the grey goo problem?Nov 15 06:25
oiaohmAnd once you start getting enough nano machines to produce enough volume you are now risking body own defence systems trying to stop it.Nov 15 06:26
prurigroif your nanobots are effecient, and have the same quantity of precursors as your brain currently has available to it, why couldn't they produce the same result?Nov 15 06:26
prurigronot sure about the grey goo, but that sounds problematicNov 15 06:26
oiaohmbio is simpler because we know how to coat cells so body systems leave them alone as well.Nov 15 06:26
prurigromind you, our own brains leave behind plaqueNov 15 06:26
prurigrovia reactionsNov 15 06:26
prurigrowhich is another angle of aging ontop of the specifically programmed telomere routeNov 15 06:27
ender_2070the pineal gland gets calcified tooNov 15 06:27
prurigrono kidding-- I wonder if that's partly why sleep becomes more difficult as you ageNov 15 06:27
ender_2070imo, part of it is flourideNov 15 06:27
oiaohmclean up some items nano machines will be good at.Nov 15 06:27
oiaohmbio computers will be just simpler to interface into a human at first.Nov 15 06:28
oiaohmOf course once body is completely replaced with bio computer parts converting to nano machine would not be a major problem.Nov 15 06:28
ender_2070nano machines are what will make the star trek shit possibleNov 15 06:28
prurigrothere's actually a compound we already know of that clears the plaques etc, so it'd just be a matter of getting the nanobots to release that compound and trigger the natural garbage collection process when requiredNov 15 06:28
ender_2070you know that machine that turns air into whatever food you wantNov 15 06:28
oiaohmender_2070: star trek also had bio computers.Nov 15 06:28
prurigrohahaNov 15 06:29
oiaohmbio computers will be able to do the replacator thing.Nov 15 06:29
ender_2070the replicatorsNov 15 06:29
prurigronanobots seem like they could fit the bill for that too no?Nov 15 06:29
oiaohmFor food and drink.Nov 15 06:29
ender_2070also, the Stargate "replicators"Nov 15 06:29
ender_2070dangerousNov 15 06:29
oiaohmnanobots will not make food with cells like we know.Nov 15 06:29
oiaohmbio computers have many advantages.Nov 15 06:30
ender_2070i think theres enough bacteria germs and really tiny particles to make whatever food you wantNov 15 06:30
ender_2070via nano machinesNov 15 06:30
ender_2070in the airNov 15 06:30
oiaohmnano machines really not upto it.Nov 15 06:30
ender_2070maybe not on a space shipNov 15 06:31
oiaohmAt least for the next 50 years.Nov 15 06:31
oiaohmBio computer might be able to offer it inside the next 15.Nov 15 06:31
ender_2070better enjoy your turkey, Geordi La Forge would be jealousNov 15 06:31
oiaohmBasically bio computers are a lot simpler tech to work with.Nov 15 06:31
oiaohmThan nano machines.Nov 15 06:32
oiaohmBecause we are copying systems that already work.Nov 15 06:32
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prurigrohmm, how are biocomputers directed, in that respect?Nov 15 06:33
ender_2070prurigro - I'm glad I met you, you're a very cool person to discuss random shit withNov 15 06:33
oiaohmprurigro: many different ways have been developed.Nov 15 06:33
prurigroender_2070: likewise, and oiaohm too :)Nov 15 06:33
oiaohmflashes of light.Nov 15 06:33
ender_2070these types of subjects get me blank staresNov 15 06:34
ender_2070lolNov 15 06:34
oiaohmentricity.Nov 15 06:34
oiaohmring dna bacteria uses.Nov 15 06:34
oiaohmNerve style interfaces.Nov 15 06:34
ender_2070neanderthals? genetic engineering? *whisper* did someone get out of the asylum?*whistper*Nov 15 06:34
ender_2070lolNov 15 06:34
oiaohmFirst task will be to make bio computers that can spit out medical drugs to order.Nov 15 06:35
prurigrohaha, they're my favourite types of things to talk about =DNov 15 06:35
prurigroand likewiseNov 15 06:35
oiaohmSo making the star trek universal neddle for everything possible.,Nov 15 06:36
ender_2070McCoy can then give someone a pill that cures kidney dialasisNov 15 06:36
prurigroand yo, really, flashes of lights?Nov 15 06:36
ender_2070;)Nov 15 06:36
oiaohmprurigro: one of the proto types uses two different colors red to turn on and off different drugs produced from the cells.Nov 15 06:37
prurigrooh man, big pharm is not going to like thatNov 15 06:37
ender_2070LOLNov 15 06:37
oiaohmAnd the drug produced is based on a binary code given to the cell.Nov 15 06:37
prurigrothe entire idea of copyright is going to have to go down the tubes actuallyNov 15 06:37
prurigrofinallyNov 15 06:37
ender_2070it willNov 15 06:37
oiaohmRemember what I said about space travel.  prurigroNov 15 06:37
ender_2070except for art I thinkNov 15 06:38
ender_2070art being music, movies, entertainmentNov 15 06:38
oiaohmYou think about how much cargo space taking the gear to make ever drug we need if something goes wrong will take up for mars.Nov 15 06:38
prurigrohaven't we already kinda broken that end of things down?Nov 15 06:38
prurigro=DNov 15 06:38
oiaohmThen think mars is how long round trip.Nov 15 06:38
oiaohmYou can send data fairly quickly.Nov 15 06:39
oiaohmsending physical drugs not a option once you are on mars.Nov 15 06:39
prurigrohmm, if there's no limit to resources actually, then there's no need for money-- copyright ends when star trek begins!Nov 15 06:39
ender_2070the future of data communications is quantum entanglementNov 15 06:39
ender_2070prurigro - resources might be unlimited but human creativity isn'tNov 15 06:40
ender_2070im sure people would still pay for artNov 15 06:40
ender_2070the art would require to get better thoughNov 15 06:40
prurigrohmm yea, getting these on the market does seem like a pretty important step to travelling anywhere further than the moon doesn itNov 15 06:40
oiaohmO yes.Nov 15 06:41
oiaohmSame with 3d printing prurigroNov 15 06:41
prurigroender_2070: human creativity is incremental and based on whatever we have currentlyNov 15 06:41
oiaohmBasically space travel require compact.Nov 15 06:41
oiaohmAnd very little in labor to produce stuff.Nov 15 06:41
ender_2070prurigro - im sure you'd still buy a ticket for a live concertNov 15 06:41
prurigrothat to me says that its as infinite as anythingNov 15 06:41
ender_2070butNov 15 06:42
oiaohmLike idea would be not having to send a doctorNov 15 06:42
ender_2070if money was gone, it would workNov 15 06:42
prurigroif the rock concert could live in a huge house and eat, drunk and do whatever drugs they might happen uponNov 15 06:42
prurigrowithout moneyNov 15 06:42
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ender_2070if resources were unlimited, no need for money eitherNov 15 06:42
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prurigropeople would perform for others because they enjoy itNov 15 06:43
ender_2070yesNov 15 06:43
ender_2070there probably wouldn't be a need for government eitherNov 15 06:43
prurigroand we've already proven psychologically, that they'll enjoy it much more and produce a better product for itNov 15 06:43
prurigroif we could gentically modify our less evolved counterpartsNov 15 06:43
ender_2070change the time line?Nov 15 06:44
prurigroimo, they're the only reason government is necessary beyond simply managing servicesNov 15 06:44
ender_2070yupNov 15 06:44
ender_2070imo, government goes far beyond anything we're toldNov 15 06:45
ender_2070its tyrannyNov 15 06:45
prurigroyet completely lacks where they're actually neededNov 15 06:45
ender_2070slavery with benefitsNov 15 06:45
oiaohmprurigro: do you now see where the idea new tech producing new jobs is bit of a joke.Nov 15 06:45
prurigrowell slavery was the basis of the debt systemNov 15 06:45
prurigrooiaohm: define 'job'Nov 15 06:46
prurigroI meanNov 15 06:46
ender_2070oiaohm - well, new tech could make money obsolete, and then jobs would be a jokeNov 15 06:46
oiaohmBecause the simple fact here is to leave this world you have to work out how to reduce numbers that you need.Nov 15 06:46
prurigrosome people will sit on their asses and do nothing with themselvesNov 15 06:46
prurigroif they canNov 15 06:46
oiaohmAlso you need to extend life.Nov 15 06:46
prurigrobut there are so many interesting yet completely pointless things I've wanted to do, let alone anyone else whose had to waste time taking care of less enjoyable thingsNov 15 06:47
oiaohmNow the other issue is the earth might be doomed to become human incompadible as well.Nov 15 06:47
oiaohmAny time you are talking about survale the less humans the better.Nov 15 06:47
oiaohmfor resource problems.Nov 15 06:48
prurigroresources aren't an issueNov 15 06:48
prurigrounless we're ejecting them into spaceNov 15 06:48
prurigroonce you can turn anything into anything elseNov 15 06:48
oiaohmUmm?Nov 15 06:48
oiaohmThe changes with world is going threw lot of food are going to become toxic to humans.Nov 15 06:48
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prurigroI'm assuming you're thinking pre-biomachinesNov 15 06:49
prurigrohow so though?Nov 15 06:49
oiaohmHigher C02 might make plants grow faster.Nov 15 06:49
oiaohmIt also makes them produce more toxins.Nov 15 06:50
prurigroit makes more plants grow in generalNov 15 06:50
prurigrowhat kind of toxins?Nov 15 06:50
ender_2070oiaohm - there you are blaming humansNov 15 06:50
oiaohmwith less proteen and other materials as well.Nov 15 06:50
ender_2070what about ocean warmingNov 15 06:50
oiaohmprurigro: natural plant toxins that have been there the complete time.Nov 15 06:51
oiaohmLow dosage not a problem.Nov 15 06:51
ender_2070oiaohm - we would adaptNov 15 06:51
prurigroare you talking about overfarming soil?Nov 15 06:51
prurigroand having plants pick less desirable things up from the ground?Nov 15 06:51
ender_2070prurigro - hes talking about the type of stuff that causes allergy but more generalNov 15 06:51
prurigropollen? that's an airborne issueNov 15 06:52
prurigroI thought you were talking about foodNov 15 06:52
prurigroon that note thoughNov 15 06:52
ender_2070more co2 = more mushrooms for example, more fungus in the air, which gets in your lungsNov 15 06:52
prurigroI usually get mild allergies in the springNov 15 06:52
ender_2070its a lot of steps to jumpNov 15 06:52
prurigroand fallNov 15 06:52
prurigrobut this spring I was walking with some friends outsideNov 15 06:52
prurigroand literally went into anaphylactic shockNov 15 06:53
prurigroI could feel the pollen land on my tongue too, it couldn't have been anything elseNov 15 06:53
oiaohmprurigro: I am not talking about soil problems.Nov 15 06:53
abeNd-org"if the human race would just hurry up & end itself already, the environment can get back to normal"Nov 15 06:54
ender_2070I think hes talking about that kind of stuffNov 15 06:54
oiaohmI am talking about what cirso here did same soil same condidtions different co2 levelsNov 15 06:54
prurigromy face was like twice the size-- like, you'd swear I was allergic to peanuts and ate a handfulNov 15 06:54
oiaohmmajor difference in toxin levels.Nov 15 06:54
oiaohmWorst effected was all the tuber stuff. Nov 15 06:54
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prurigrotoxin is pretty generic thoughNov 15 06:54
prurigrolike for example, mushroom spores typically aren't badNov 15 06:55
ender_2070too many areNov 15 06:55
oiaohmIt is generic but like the when pototos turn green the product a toxin so we don't eat those.Nov 15 06:55
oiaohmProblem is what happen was normal non green pototos from high co2 areas had the toxin the same as the green ones from normal.Nov 15 06:56
prurigrothat's the growth of something that consumes a potato once its unable to sustain its protective layersNov 15 06:56
ender_2070your bread would go stale faster probablyNov 15 06:56
oiaohmIe the same toxin level.  prurigroNov 15 06:56
prurigrogood thing I don't eat bread :)Nov 15 06:56
oiaohmBasically it made it faster to the plant to grow prurigroNov 15 06:56
oiaohmIt also makes it cheaper for the plant to make toxins.Nov 15 06:56
oiaohmIe its not just speed up plant growth.Nov 15 06:57
prurigroso you're saying there'll be more dormant bacteria and mould spores etc waiting to crack open and ingest food at the rate food used to be broken down before preservatives etc?Nov 15 06:57
oiaohmNo these were natural planit toxins.  prurigroNov 15 06:57
prurigrowell keep in mind that typically evolution doesn't try a feature that has failed in the pastNov 15 06:57
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oiaohmYes it also reduced the bacteria and mould the plant was having to put up with.Nov 15 06:58
prurigroand that plants have evolved away from expensive features like that to some degree alreadyNov 15 06:58
oiaohmNote the word expensive to use.Nov 15 06:58
oiaohmSo plants normally use them sparingly.Nov 15 06:58
oiaohmIn a high co2 enverorment they don't have to be so sparing.Nov 15 06:58
prurigrowell if we're talking about pollen, that's an unintended side effectNov 15 06:59
prurigroso I don't picture them realizing and producing more, if anything they'll evolve away from that cuz we'll start cutting that particular plant downNov 15 06:59
oiaohmThis was a very contained expermint.Nov 15 06:59
oiaohmall the plants were clones.Nov 15 06:59
oiaohmIn each different enveroment.Nov 15 06:59
prurigroif we're talking about psilocybe cubensisNov 15 06:59
prurigrosmall animals will die more easily, and humans will get a harder tripNov 15 07:00
prurigrorubarb and tomatoes may become inedible, if we follow this logicNov 15 07:00
oiaohmI am talking about normal toxins in the plantNov 15 07:00
oiaohmmade by the plant cells themselfs prurigroNov 15 07:00
oiaohmNo fungus or some other containinate.Nov 15 07:01
prurigrorhubarb and tomatoes have poisons in the plant, wouldn't that be considered a toxin?Nov 15 07:01
prurigroeverything I mentioned is produced by the plantNov 15 07:01
prurigroand in support of your theoryNov 15 07:01
prurigrono?Nov 15 07:01
oiaohmNormal dosage of the poisons in rhubarb is harmless.Nov 15 07:01
oiaohmBut don't eat one form 10 co2Nov 15 07:01
oiaohmYou will not be standing.Nov 15 07:02
prurigroI think it can actually hurt you quite a bit if you eat its leavesNov 15 07:02
prurigroeven nowNov 15 07:02
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oiaohmNot that bad think ware talking a leaf from 10 percent co2 will harm you bad.  That it might be the last thing you ever eat.Nov 15 07:03
oiaohmThat is the problem prurigroNov 15 07:03
prurigrothe majority of plant toxins I can think of though, end up either working as drugs or are benign to humans though, since we've evolved in returnNov 15 07:03
oiaohmMajority of plant toxins we can cope with while they are low doesage.Nov 15 07:04
oiaohmThe issue is rising co2 moves them from being low dosage to high dosage.  Nov 15 07:04
oiaohmIe we evolved a tollernce not a perfect protection from them prurigroNov 15 07:05
prurigrowell like psilocybe cubensis again, since its a good example, is quite poisonous to smaller animals, but humans can literally eat an unlimited amount, and the only way to die is from overeatingNov 15 07:05
oiaohmProblem is a lot of our common foods like grains.  Nov 15 07:05
prurigrohrm?Nov 15 07:06
oiaohmContain chemicals we only have a tollerence to prurigroNov 15 07:06
prurigroI don't eat grains for that reasonNov 15 07:06
prurigrowell, unless you consider rice and what noteNov 15 07:06
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oiaohmWhere psilocybe cubensis we don't have the receptitor to the toxin so it can not work.Nov 15 07:06
prurigrowe do have the receptorNov 15 07:06
Diablo-D3dear lord we're still talking about crazy people?Nov 15 07:06
prurigroits just our systems are more complexNov 15 07:06
oiaohmNo changed topic Diablo-D3Nov 15 07:07
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prurigroinstead of talking about them, we decided to put on our sailor hats and join the singalongNov 15 07:08
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prurigro@oiaohm: I'm not challenging you because I don't believe, I'm actually curious but can't seem to find anything to back it upNov 15 07:10
Diablo-D3[01:59:57] <prurigro> rhubarb and tomatoes have poisons in the plant, wouldn't that be considered a toxin?Nov 15 07:10
Diablo-D3potatoes.Nov 15 07:10
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prurigroyea, I picked out the ones I could think of, but oiaohm was making it sound a little more wide scaleNov 15 07:11
prurigroand are potatoes actually poisonous?Nov 15 07:11
Diablo-D3the plant isNov 15 07:11
prurigroI know they're the most vile things on earth once rottenNov 15 07:11
Diablo-D3the root, ie what we call a potato, isntNov 15 07:11
prurigroyea?Nov 15 07:11
prurigroohhh yea, I vaguely recall hearing about this back in the dayNov 15 07:12
prurigroso the question then is, does the plant have the structures to send the poisons down to its root, if it has addional resources to play withNov 15 07:12
Diablo-D3apparently not, or we'd be all dead.Nov 15 07:12
prurigro(to become worse than it is now)Nov 15 07:12
prurigrowell yea, that's kinda what I'm thinkingNov 15 07:13
prurigroso that wouldn't count-- and I'd assume similar things for rhubarb and tomatoesNov 15 07:13
prurigrosurely there's existed optimal conditions at some time for a single tomato to do this and injure/kill someoneNov 15 07:13
Diablo-D3[02:02:28] <prurigro> the majority of plant toxins I can think of though, end up either working as drugs or are benign to humans though, since we've evolved in returnNov 15 07:14
Diablo-D3btw, a toxin in a low enough dose IS a drugNov 15 07:14
prurigrowell technically the 'toxin' in both marijuana and the ones in psilocybe cubensis have become so non toxic they can actually cause healing in responseNov 15 07:15
Diablo-D3I wouldnt say "has become"Nov 15 07:15
Diablo-D3because thats nonsensicalNov 15 07:15
prurigroat that point I'd say it simply isn't toxic to us anymoreNov 15 07:15
prurigrohrm?Nov 15 07:15
Diablo-D3the toxin didnt change, we didNov 15 07:15
prurigrowell I'd meant it as the toxic had become while remaining static itself, thanks to our own evolutionNov 15 07:16
Diablo-D3and THC is hilariousNov 15 07:16
prurigromore than thatNov 15 07:16
prurigrotouche thoNov 15 07:16
Diablo-D3its possibly the best anti-depressant we've discoveredNov 15 07:16
prurigro5-htp works pretty damn well tooNov 15 07:17
Diablo-D3er, which one is that?Nov 15 07:17
prurigrothe precursor to serotonin :)Nov 15 07:17
Diablo-D3heh.Nov 15 07:17
prurigroworks more often than ssrisNov 15 07:17
prurigroin trialsNov 15 07:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Cool. Taking for a spin - 15 07:18
prurigrobut comes from a seed extract, cannot be patented, and therefore is not even consideredNov 15 07:18
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prurigroever heard of piracetam?Nov 15 07:18
Diablo-D3noNov 15 07:18
prurigrothis stuffs amazingNov 15 07:18
prurigroit reverses the scarring alcohol does to your brain over timeNov 15 07:18
Diablo-D3so why isnt it being pushed in cults like AA?Nov 15 07:19
prurigroit corrects the flow of acetacholine, essentially ending that part of cigarette addictionNov 15 07:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Room with a view :-) 15 07:19
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prurigroits effect on acetacholine and serotonin make it stop cravings for cocaine as wellNov 15 07:19
Diablo-D3so wheres the nobel for this?Nov 15 07:20
prurigroit increases your serotonin receptor count by upregulation, resulting in a more balanced mood and better memoryNov 15 07:20
prurigroits effects on nmda and acetacholine also significantly improve memory in that directionNov 15 07:20
Diablo-D3better memory you say?Nov 15 07:20
Diablo-D3I wonder if I should go OD on that shitNov 15 07:20
prurigroit also effects your GABBA to reduce anxietyNov 15 07:20
prurigroyou can't OD, its one of the safest chemicals we currently knowNov 15 07:20
Diablo-D3i think you missed the pointNov 15 07:21
prurigroit also improves cognitive interconnectivityNov 15 07:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] is an example of moving out of a .Net environment and deploying it using Java/JBoss and open standards/source.Nov 15 07:21
prurigro=DNov 15 07:21
Diablo-D3I have the worst goddamned memory sometimesNov 15 07:21
prurigroit increases glucose consumption in the brain as well as providing additional oxygen supplyNov 15 07:21
prurigroso that the brain operates at a higher level with more clarityNov 15 07:22
Diablo-D3let me guess, though, its borderline illegal?Nov 15 07:22
prurigrohaha, its completely legal actuallyNov 15 07:22
Diablo-D3then why isnt it a common dietary supplement or somethingNov 15 07:22
prurigrobecause it can't be patented, and provides better and non addictive relief of both depression and anxiety than big pharma brandsNov 15 07:23
Diablo-D3yeah, people keep using that excuse.Nov 15 07:23
prurigrowho've been working to have it pulled from vendors selling it across the US despite being completely legalNov 15 07:23
Diablo-D3if I was rich, I'd be running a company that would just mass produce it at the level they doNov 15 07:24
Diablo-D3iyou know why?Nov 15 07:24
Diablo-D3because Im the goddamned batman.Nov 15 07:24
prurigrololNov 15 07:24
prurigroin russiaNov 15 07:24
prurigroyou can go to a pharmacy and pick it upNov 15 07:25
prurigrovery popular among studentsNov 15 07:25
prurigrobatman must live in russia :(Nov 15 07:25
Diablo-D3piracetam must be a miracle drugNov 15 07:25
prurigroit has more positive benefits than any other substancesNov 15 07:25
prurigroand the only negative one is that exceptionally high levels of use might require choline suppliments every few weeksNov 15 07:26
prurigro(precusor to acetacholine)Nov 15 07:26
prurigroits the original smart drug btw- if anyone's ever heard the term 'smart drug' referencedNov 15 07:27
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Diablo-D3Im surprised Ive never heard of it thoughNov 15 07:27
prurigroeveryone is when they find itNov 15 07:27
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prurigroif anyone does grab itNov 15 07:28
prurigrobtwNov 15 07:28
prurigroget gel caps tooNov 15 07:28
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prurigroit tastes like dyingNov 15 07:28
prurigroalso, ebay might be a good place to start lookingNov 15 07:29
prurigronow that all the vendors have been forced to switch to other *cetamsNov 15 07:29
prurigroand you'll wanna pay between $20-30 for 500-700 gramsNov 15 07:30
prurigrooh, I forgot to add that it reverses general aging of the brain as wellNov 15 07:31
Diablo-D3"It is used by parents as a treatment for childhood autism"Nov 15 07:31
Diablo-D3son of a bitch.Nov 15 07:31
prurigroand its shovelled into the mouths of down syndrome kidsNov 15 07:31
prurigroit can also repair stroke damageNov 15 07:31
prurigroanyway, I'll stop plugging for that haha, I just wanted to add another thing to the list 5-htp and thc were onNov 15 07:32
Diablo-D3excuse me while I become death, destroyer of the medical industryNov 15 07:32
prurigroactually lets continue that list-- psilocybin, one of the two main active ingredients in psilocybe cubensis, or magic mushrooms, seems to be the only thing capable of completely fixing a migraine, completely cures all histamine allergies and dramatically improves the capabilities of therapyNov 15 07:34
prurigroDiablo-D3: lol, lemme know when you're heading down and I'll joinNov 15 07:34
Diablo-D3prurigro: btw, re: migranes, noNov 15 07:35
prurigrohm?Nov 15 07:35
Diablo-D3LSD can do it as wellNov 15 07:35
prurigrooh, sorry, yea, I meant that's been shown to do itNov 15 07:35
prurigroLSD also cures allergies quite nicely too :)Nov 15 07:35
prurigro2c-i tooNov 15 07:35
Diablo-D3they were doing clinical trails with the worst of the worst, the kind that even breath pure oxygen just to make it stopNov 15 07:35
prurigroand of course 4-aco-dmtNov 15 07:35
prurigrowith LSD?Nov 15 07:36
Diablo-D3and theres a synthetic LSD relative that they were making thats has all the effects of LSD but not the tripNov 15 07:36
prurigroLDA?Nov 15 07:36
Diablo-D3and it worked perfectly every damned timeNov 15 07:36
Diablo-D3forget which oneNov 15 07:36
prurigrothere aren't many LSD analogsNov 15 07:36
prurigrosince its got both a phenethylamine and trypitamine backboneNov 15 07:36
Diablo-D3its been awhile since I read about itNov 15 07:36
prurigrodespite being considered a tryptamineNov 15 07:37
Diablo-D3but the thing is, they found a fucking drug that worksNov 15 07:37
Diablo-D3but the government wont have anything to do with it because they failed science in high school.Nov 15 07:37
Diablo-D3yes, the entire government did.Nov 15 07:37
prurigroif its LDA, its legal too, but you need to produce LSD to make LDA, which is why nothings been done with it, apparentlyNov 15 07:37
prurigronot to mention, in the US the analog law says "anything that does stuff like another thing that we say you can't have is illegal too"Nov 15 07:37
prurigromeaning everything is illegalNov 15 07:38
Diablo-D3yes, even water.Nov 15 07:38
Diablo-D3its illegal.Nov 15 07:38
prurigroohh yea, I forgot about that structural tackon to the analog law lmaoNov 15 07:38
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Diablo-D3if it exists, its probably illegalNov 15 07:39
Diablo-D3if its not yet illegal, the law banning it is probably being drafted as we speakNov 15 07:39
prurigroman I could not deal with living in a country that did thatNov 15 07:39
Diablo-D3welcome to post 9/11 USA.Nov 15 07:39
prurigrotechnically, you'd need an entirely new class of drugNov 15 07:39
prurigroeffects wiseNov 15 07:39
prurigrocuz the analog law covers anything with similar effectsNov 15 07:39
prurigroI wonder if bromo dragonfly would be considered an psychdelic analog on that noteNov 15 07:40
prurigrowell, I think I'm happy up here enjoying Canada while harper still hasn't blown it upNov 15 07:41
prurigrofor nowNov 15 07:41
Diablo-D3oh dont worryNov 15 07:42
Diablo-D3its in the process of thatNov 15 07:43
prurigroCanada? Blow'd up?Nov 15 07:43
Diablo-D3the US wont leave canada alone and has been interfering with your internal politics for over a decadeNov 15 07:43
prurigrotrueNov 15 07:43
Diablo-D3soon you too will understand the phrase "post 9/11"Nov 15 07:43
prurigroapparently it actually uses new zealand as a testing ground for pushing policy on usNov 15 07:43
Diablo-D3s/new zealand/australia/Nov 15 07:44
prurigrolol, s/australia/australia|new zealand/Nov 15 07:44
prurigro?Nov 15 07:44
Diablo-D3-_-Nov 15 07:44
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prurigrodepends on the policy type I think tbhNov 15 07:45
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prurigronew zealand is good for little trial runs, since its smallNov 15 07:45
prurigrobut australia is more closely comparable to CanadaNov 15 07:45
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prurigrooh get out, the managed to attach a bromo group to LSD!Nov 15 07:46
prurigroincredibleNov 15 07:46
Diablo-D3apparently all I had to do was wp for cluster headaches.Nov 15 07:47
Diablo-D3hurray for wpNov 15 07:47
prurigroI guess its too complex to bond to 5-HT2 receptors in the same way as LSD thoughNov 15 07:48
prurigrowp?Nov 15 07:48
Diablo-D3wikipediaNov 15 07:48
prurigrooh wow, apparently sleep makes thinking easierNov 15 07:49
Diablo-D3yes, yes it does.Nov 15 07:49
prurigroor so my brain struggles to tell me before failing due to a lack of sleep :)Nov 15 07:49
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prurigrobtw, if I offered to polish the site up here and there in a month or so when time is mine again, do you think this'd be a welcomed offer?Nov 15 07:52
Diablo-D3what site?Nov 15 07:52
prurigrotechrightsNov 15 07:52
Diablo-D3ask royNov 15 07:53
prurigrowell I wasn't gonna ask him until I had the time available to meNov 15 07:53
Diablo-D3hes probably like TECHRIGHTS IS PERFECT, EVEN GODLIKENov 15 07:54
prurigrobut I was curious what kinda response you think I'd get before?Nov 15 07:54
prurigrololNov 15 07:54
prurigrobut but, the js clears and redraws the tooltips via those black dots as the mouse movesNov 15 07:54
prurigroand the banner's compressed too heavily, leaving rainbow artifactsNov 15 07:55
prurigroand there's an overlay to make the main content softer that continues over and cuts into the content on the rightNov 15 07:55
prurigroalas though, you're not the one to convince I'm sure :)Nov 15 07:57
Diablo-D3see, this is why I like my blogNov 15 07:57
prurigro?Nov 15 07:57
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prurigrosickNov 15 07:58
prurigroI did not know you coudl do that with netcatNov 15 07:59
prurigrotho it makes perfect sense thinking abou titNov 15 07:59
prurigroand yes, no immediate forehead vein for site design = A+ :)Nov 15 08:00
prurigroever used unison before?Nov 15 08:00
Diablo-D3noNov 15 08:00
Diablo-D3what is it?Nov 15 08:00
prurigroits like rsync, but syncs both directionsNov 15 08:01
Diablo-D3kind of sounds sillyNov 15 08:01
prurigroand can do so completely without portsNov 15 08:01
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Diablo-D3would rather use a distributed parallel file system insteadNov 15 08:01
prurigrothis is more for synchronizations when both devices are at some point the clientNov 15 08:02
prurigroand at some point the serverNov 15 08:03
Diablo-D3do not want, too easy to fuck upNov 15 08:03
prurigrobut yea, if I wanted a dropbox equivalent or somethingNov 15 08:03
prurigrowell its interactive for conflicts, but fair enough :)Nov 15 08:03
prurigrowhat distro you run?Nov 15 08:04
prurigroand if you already told me the other night, my bad Nov 15 08:04
Diablo-D3would rather have app-driven git-like history and let the app merge itNov 15 08:04
prurigrogit is the next logical step of unisonNov 15 08:04
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prurigroits just much biggerNov 15 08:05
prurigroif you're dealing with something like a picture collectionNov 15 08:05
Diablo-D3metadata for such a collection would be gittable, the pictures wouldntNov 15 08:05
Diablo-D3and I use Debian, btwNov 15 08:05
Diablo-D3Ive used it for over a decadeNov 15 08:05
prurigrohmm, that's right, I was like 70% sure it'd been youNov 15 08:08
prurigrobut wanted to double checkNov 15 08:08
prurigroand hmm, one of the git docs I was reading explained that git version controls binariesNov 15 08:09
prurigrodoes it actually skip them?Nov 15 08:09
Diablo-D3it stores themNov 15 08:09
Diablo-D3it cant diff themNov 15 08:09
prurigrooh, well yea, but you can recover a revision you mean?Nov 15 08:11
Diablo-D3yeahNov 15 08:11
prurigroyea that'd make senseNov 15 08:11
prurigrounless it was using bindiff, but that just says if they're the same or different anyway I thinkNov 15 08:11
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DaemonFCIt should be a defense at the boy's trial that he was raised by a criminally insane father who tried to indoctrinate the boy with a sick and twisted view of the world where minorities are responsible for everything bad and Christian terrorist extremists like the American Neo Nazis tend to be (Christian Identity crap and Timothy McVeigh-type cowards) are the "good guys". -meNov 15 08:31
DaemonFCof course that would make a big presumption that the justice system worksNov 15 08:32
prurigroits better to let 10 guilty people go free than to put 1 innocent person awayNov 15 08:34
DaemonFCAll In The Family and South Park's Eric Cartman do a disservice to society in creating "lovable bigots" which are amusing because of how ineffective and stupid they areNov 15 08:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Planul cu care Băsescu vrea să câștige alegerile. Legea electorală, aranjată ca în 1946 #romania #politicsNov 15 08:34
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DaemonFCwhen most of them are more like Alex Jones, Rush Limbaugh, David Duke, and Fred PhelpsNov 15 08:35
DaemonFCpeople utterly devoid of any likable qualities whoNov 15 08:35
DaemonFC*who draw in followers that are extremely stupid, yet tend to be violent and a danger to societyNov 15 08:36
prurigroI suppose the alternative is what China doesNov 15 08:36
prurigrowhere all organized institutions must be run through the stateNov 15 08:37
DaemonFCunfortunately there's nothing stupid about these people, they're like little Hitlers Nov 15 08:37
DaemonFCthey get other people out on the street to be their band of armed thugsNov 15 08:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Vint Cerf: The government is going overboard in Internet copyright control #cerf #internet #censorship #businessNov 15 08:38
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prurigrothey're the scum of the earthNov 15 08:38
prurigrobut they're also barely fringe society, unlike the almost absolute dominance these same types of people used to haveNov 15 08:38
prurigroour job is to keep them in the fringeNov 15 08:38
DaemonFCright, there's a very small lunatic fringe on the extreme political left and rightNov 15 08:38
DaemonFCand a broad spectrum that encompasses the remaining 95%Nov 15 08:39
DaemonFCwhich are somewhere in betweenNov 15 08:39
DaemonFCeven though not everyone likes Fred Phelps or Rush Limbaugh, a lot of them are just like them on certain issuesNov 15 08:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Vinul Principesei, la Domeniul Coroanei Segarcea #romania #segarcea #wine #monarchy #royalNov 15 08:39
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DaemonFCjust because the fringe groups are small doesn't mean their ideas aren't widespreadNov 15 08:40
DaemonFCjust means not everyone is a carbon copy of themNov 15 08:40
DaemonFCmost people who hate minorities never let it boil over to the point where they go out and murder or leave flaming crosses in peoples yardsNov 15 08:40
DaemonFCbut their views have a more subtle impact on societyNov 15 08:41
DaemonFCthey vote for political candidates that agree to subvert groups they dislikeNov 15 08:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] 6. None of the aboveNov 15 08:41
DaemonFCthey make hiring and firing decisions based on personal views and not factsNov 15 08:41
DaemonFCyou don't have to pick up a bat or a gun to let your myopic view of fellow humans do harm to themNov 15 08:42
prurigroI used to debate people on fringe ideas by pulling out the otherside of the argumentNov 15 08:42
DaemonFConly people with a very low intelligence level who can't harm the people they hate in legal ways tend to boil over like thatNov 15 08:42
prurigrobut I realized that this is exactly what these fringe groups wantNov 15 08:42
prurigrosince it makes the situation seem like radically left or right have nowhere inbetweenNov 15 08:43
Diablo-D3lolNov 15 08:43
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DaemonFCwell, on the far right you have people saying we should kill Mexicans that try to cross the borderNov 15 08:43
prurigroand yea, I think that's why 'intelligent people' have appeared to be left, to the rightNov 15 08:43
DaemonFCand on the far left, we should make anyone that comes here a citizen and give them welfare even if they don't workNov 15 08:44
DaemonFCthere's one issue I can name where they are both wrongNov 15 08:44
prurigrothe right wing has targeted everyone with an IQ under a certain cutoff, and their tactics are unsettlingNov 15 08:44
DaemonFCjust in completely different waysNov 15 08:44
DaemonFCit's easy to get a band of unintelligent, violent followers who are mad at someone or some group of peopleNov 15 08:45
prurigroyea, I honestly agree with so little that gets proposed in pretty well any government except for a few awesome european onesNov 15 08:45
DaemonFCit's why violent radical Islam is spreading in US prisonsNov 15 08:45
DaemonFCthey target stupid violent people who may get out of prison some day with an ax to grindNov 15 08:46
DaemonFCvery easy to shape and mold someone like thatNov 15 08:46
DaemonFCand give them a target for their angerNov 15 08:46
prurigroor the aryan brotherhood for that matterNov 15 08:46
prurigrostarted in part by a native americanNov 15 08:47
prurigroyup, it has nothing to do with the target except that it has one, and that this provides a mechanism of controlNov 15 08:47
Diablo-D3who are you talking toNov 15 08:52
prurigroDaemonFCNov 15 08:52
prurigro?Nov 15 08:52
prurigrocan you see what he/she posted?Nov 15 08:53
DaemonFCyeahNov 15 08:53
DaemonFCit ignores meNov 15 08:54
DaemonFCor claims toNov 15 08:54
prurigrolol, so anyone who can't see you might be thinking I'm a crazy person at this point?Nov 15 08:54
prurigro:)Nov 15 08:54
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schestowitzthere he goes again against Islam..Nov 15 09:00
prurigroit can be just as evil as ChristianityNov 15 09:00
schestowitzhe watches too much FoxNov 15 09:01
prurigrobut its important to hate the religion, not the people practisingNov 15 09:01
schestowitzwhere mister good chistian oreilly and his minions put those lines in Ryan's brainNov 15 09:01
prurigroironic isn't itNov 15 09:01
prurigrowell, the fact that O'Reilly's Christian and hates on IslamNov 15 09:02
prurigrorather, can't comment on the restNov 15 09:02
prurigrobut I can wish you all a good night-- good chatting all!Nov 15 09:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] So True :-) 15 09:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] UK border checks were waived for travellers in private jets, emails reveal - impressive: #REAMDE spot on again...Nov 15 09:26
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Adobe Donating Flex to Open Source Foundation; Continues Fire Sale on Formerly-Core Software - Open Spoon Foundation?Nov 15 09:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] My ICT teacher can’t mark my homework - this is a national disgrace #ukNov 15 09:29
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DaemonFCthis coffee is still good, which is amazingNov 15 09:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Bulgaria, #Romania targeted for illegal caviar trade - 5-year ban needed now #euNov 15 09:33
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #RIAA demands ReDigi stop selling used downloads - no surprise there #firstsaleNov 15 09:33
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DaemonFCit's been in my freezer for over a yearNov 15 09:33
DaemonFCbut I did vacuum seal it last time I used it :)Nov 15 09:33
DaemonFCschestowitz: Those rich peopleNov 15 09:34
DaemonFCBogus Beluga is as serious crimeNov 15 09:34
DaemonFCthey paid $800 an ounce and they don't want the $400 an ounce raw fish eggs slipped in under counterfeit brandingNov 15 09:34
DaemonFCB-)Nov 15 09:35
DaemonFCthey have a RIGHT to know that they are eating the right brand of raw fish eggNov 15 09:35
DaemonFCYou remember Detective Briscoe in Law & Order?Nov 15 09:35
DaemonFCI liked that characterNov 15 09:35
DaemonFCsome Russian guy gives him a free sample of caviar and he says "Crunchy, salty, I like it"Nov 15 09:36
DaemonFCRussian guy says "$500 an ounce"Nov 15 09:36
DaemonFCBriscoe says "I don't like it that much"Nov 15 09:36
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 09:36
MinceR:>Nov 15 09:36
DaemonFC 15 09:37
DaemonFCahhhNov 15 09:37
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DaemonFChe ruledNov 15 09:37
DaemonFC 15 09:39
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DaemonFCDetective Munch is a close secondNov 15 09:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] First Listen: Kate Bush, '50 Words For Snow' - all of it, online, free from #NPR; classic Bush (+ Stephen Fry)Nov 15 09:39
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DaemonFCIf they had ever had Briscoe and Munch on the same episode, it would have been the best episode everNov 15 09:39
DaemonFCB-)Nov 15 09:39
DaemonFChell, if the real New York Police Department was anything like these TV shows.....Nov 15 09:41
DaemonFCI might have a certain respect for themNov 15 09:41
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 09:41
DaemonFCyou know, fiction, cops that are concerned about doing the right thing Nov 15 09:41
DaemonFChelping peopleNov 15 09:41
DaemonFCI think these TV shows are a form of submarine propagandaNov 15 09:41
DaemonFCyou never have cops on Law & Order go up to a group of unarmed women that didn't threaten anyone and mace them all and laugh about itNov 15 09:42
DaemonFCno Tony Boloneys there :)Nov 15 09:43
DaemonFCmaybe I just read too much into itNov 15 09:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #W3C Announces First Draft of Standard for Online #Privacy - they've been quiet recently...Nov 15 09:44
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DaemonFCmaybe real life would make terrible TV and that's why we have TVNov 15 09:44
DaemonFCno Law & Order episodes where they go in and taser people for standing on a sidewalk they paid for because they're making rich people nervousNov 15 09:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Some thoughts on what might be #digitally #sustainable: 15 09:46
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DaemonFCSupport Our Troops (unless they're with those Occupy people, then fracture their skulls along with everyone else's by shooting  them with rubber bullets)Nov 15 09:46
DaemonFCeh, Comrade MinceR?Nov 15 09:47
DaemonFCB-)Nov 15 09:47
DaemonFCthe police remind me more of that deranged Android on Red Dwarf that is programmed not to harm humansNov 15 09:48
DaemonFChis targeting scanner says "Barely Human, what the hell?" and it opens fire on themNov 15 09:48
*DaemonFC is bored and harassing another War Commander playerNov 15 09:50
DaemonFCI beam in, take out strategic buildings, beam outNov 15 09:50
DaemonFChe comes back, it takes hours to fix, he posts guards at the buildings I destroyedNov 15 09:50
DaemonFCI come back later and blow something else up he took protection away from earlierNov 15 09:51
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 09:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Why Google should buy Barnes & Noble - one way of supporting its anti-trust action against #MicrosoftNov 15 09:51
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DaemonFCthis time I sent in two groups of my forces to take out his base power plantsNov 15 09:51
DaemonFCnow he can't do anything for hoursNov 15 09:51
DaemonFClast time It was his war factory and tech centerNov 15 09:51
DaemonFCB-)Nov 15 09:51
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DaemonFCI smashed all the units he had that were a threat to my drones and then sent in an all out drone attack a few times over the last couple of daysNov 15 09:52
DaemonFCall told, I made off with a few million units of his oil and metalNov 15 09:52
DaemonFCI just feel like fucking with this guy because he kept attacking my baseNov 15 09:52
DaemonFCI've been hitting him back so much that he's barely been able to play the game muchNov 15 09:53
DaemonFCtoo busy fixing his base to attack mine or anyone elsesNov 15 09:53
*DaemonFC holds a grudge, likes to retaliate by subverting others instead of attacking them outright and risk losingNov 15 09:53
DaemonFC:DNov 15 09:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Giacomo #Puccini: Complete Operas and Other Works on #Spotify - a soundtrack for Italy's high dramaNov 15 09:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] European Commission gives qualified thumbs-up to #IANA rebid - good analysisNov 15 09:56
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schestowitz""I think he said that both MonoDevelop and Visual Studio are serious threats to developers. " 15 09:58
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DaemonFCMono has never been about making it easy to port Windows software to LinuxNov 15 09:59
DaemonFCit's been about making it easier to port Linux software to WindowsNov 15 10:00
DaemonFCevery time there's been a notable port involving .NET <> Mono, it has always been Mono to .NETNov 15 10:00
DaemonFClike in the case of BansheeNov 15 10:00
DaemonFCor PintaNov 15 10:00
DaemonFCwhile they were getting the Windows port of Banshee working, they decided that GTK 3 support wasn't a priority to themNov 15 10:01
DaemonFC'and ended up hanging themselves when that was added to the list of reasons to remove Mono from UbuntuNov 15 10:01
DaemonFCI see very little use for Banshee on any platformNov 15 10:02
DaemonFCon Linux there's Amarok and Rhythmbox and othersNov 15 10:02
DaemonFCon Windows, there are neat ones like Foobar2000 and WinampNov 15 10:02
DaemonFCeither way, Banshee isn't going to give you an end user experience that does the platform you run it on justiceNov 15 10:02
DaemonFCBanshee feels too non-native on Windows or anywhere really, that's not GNOMENov 15 10:03
DaemonFCit doesn't even work 100% under KDE because they opted to use GNOME specific features instead of the more inter-operable equivalents Nov 15 10:04
DaemonFCone of the Banshee developers got annoyed with me saying Mono was dangerous and Banshee was tooNov 15 10:04
DaemonFCso I went back and listed all the practical reasons I could think of relating only to technical quality that made Mono crap, and Banshee tooNov 15 10:05
DaemonFCat that point he simply stopped replying to meNov 15 10:05
MinceRlolNov 15 10:05
DaemonFCthe wonderful thing about Mono is that for any reason you hate it, you're probably rightNov 15 10:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Viral video ‘Charlie bit my finger’ earned Charlie’s family £120,000 - new mediaNov 15 10:06
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MinceRthat's true of m$ products in generalNov 15 10:06
DaemonFCI don't discriminate on technical groundsNov 15 10:07
DaemonFCI hate mono and javaNov 15 10:07
DaemonFCbut at least java is freely licensed and open for anyone to useNov 15 10:07
DaemonFCwith the IcedTea project anywayNov 15 10:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Gates Foundation donates $30m towards rural Internet initiative in Vietnam - + $3.6million MS sw to get them hooked...Nov 15 10:08
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DaemonFCjust because it's not a legal danger doesn't mean I'm going to use itNov 15 10:08
DaemonFCI avoid anything that needs JavaNov 15 10:08
DaemonFCjust because I don't want Java on my systemNov 15 10:08
DaemonFCSCOracle is pissed at Dalvik because it threatens to eat J2ME's lunchNov 15 10:10
DaemonFCby running better on the same devicesNov 15 10:10
DaemonFCthat's why they're lashing out at itNov 15 10:10
DaemonFCit's a threat to their J2ME licensingNov 15 10:10
DaemonFCif Google came up with something that was Java compatible but sucked as bad or worse from the user's point of view, SCOracle would have left them alone probablyNov 15 10:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Firefox 10, What’s New? #mozillaNov 15 10:13
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DaemonFCyou find Microsoft, Apple, and Oracle on the same side a lot because they have one big thing in commonNov 15 10:13
DaemonFCfiling frivolous lawsuits against their competitors better productsNov 15 10:14
DaemonFCschestowitz: I hate to say itNov 15 10:14
DaemonFCbut I more or less give up on Bloatzilla anything as my primary browserNov 15 10:14
DaemonFCthey've fallen to a competition for second place with Chromium, on Linux, among the major browsers available on LinuxNov 15 10:15
DaemonFCOpera used to be annoying, didn't fit in well with your desktop, didn't launch the right applications, brought its own private copy of GUI toolkits you may have already had....., etc.Nov 15 10:16
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DaemonFCbut now Firefox is more like that than Opera isNov 15 10:16
DaemonFCnothing bugs me more than the little and in the case of Firefox or old versions of Opera, HUGE inconsistencies and the feel of "huge bloated foreign application that makes no attempts to work like everything else I use"Nov 15 10:17
DaemonFCor in some cases, even resemble the rest of the desktopNov 15 10:18
DaemonFCFirefox likes to do annoying shit like, using Oxygen icons no matter what you told KDE to useNov 15 10:18
DaemonFCor using GTK 2 file dialogs, in KDENov 15 10:18
DaemonFCor not knowing how to open filesNov 15 10:19
DaemonFCor not knowing what a Magnet link is even though you have at least KTorrent installedNov 15 10:19
DaemonFCit doesn't even ASK what to do sometimesNov 15 10:19
DaemonFCjust goes "herpa derp derp, what is a magnet:// url? derpity derp!!!"Nov 15 10:20
DaemonFC"Duh, What do I do with a DEB? HERP DERP!!!"Nov 15 10:20
DaemonFCUhhhm, you're fucking running on a Debian system, figure it out!Nov 15 10:20
DaemonFCshit!Nov 15 10:20
DaemonFCAt the very least, why can't they just throw it xdg-open's way and see what becomes of thatNov 15 10:21
DaemonFCat the worst, it opens SOMETHINGNov 15 10:21
DaemonFCoh, and my favoriteNov 15 10:21
DaemonFCwhen the stupid fucking thing does ask what to do with a file, it makes you browse every file system and partition you have mounted to look for the right programNov 15 10:22
DaemonFCOpera says "Hey, you use KDE, I'll give you the options of what is in the KDE menu!"Nov 15 10:22
DaemonFCgee, imagine thatNov 15 10:22
MinceRyou could just type it in :>Nov 15 10:22
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DaemonFCit only took proprietary software to figure out it's on Linux and KDE and do the Linux and KDE things Nov 15 10:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Fabio Erculiani, #Sabayon Linux awesome guyNov 15 10:23
DaemonFCthe open source one, Bloatzilla, sits there with its thumb up its ass over obvious thingsNov 15 10:23
TechrightsBot-trMissing content type. Ignoring.Nov 15 10:23
DaemonFCand makes you browse /usr/bin to try to find something to use to open the obvious thing it can't openNov 15 10:23
DaemonFCoh, with the GTK file dialog I so hateNov 15 10:23
DaemonFCyou can't can't hate Firefox, it's "Open source"Nov 15 10:24
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DaemonFCthat makes it immune from criticismNov 15 10:24
DaemonFCclearly you should bend over backwards when it does something entirely stupid and counterintuitive because it is open sourceNov 15 10:24
DaemonFCno thanksNov 15 10:24
DaemonFCI avoided Opera for years because it did the same shit that Firefox does nowNov 15 10:25
DaemonFCthey were equally terrible, the only deciding factor was that Opera was proprietaryNov 15 10:25
schestowitzOpera is goodNov 15 10:27
schestowitztechnicallyNov 15 10:27
schestowitzbut I can compromise for freedomNov 15 10:27
schestowitzunlike you, HarmonfarmerNov 15 10:27
DaemonFCFirefox isn't a compromiseNov 15 10:27
DaemonFCit's admitting that no matter how bad it is or how many Microsoft deals they make involving it or how little they think of LinuxNov 15 10:28
DaemonFCyou will use it because it is nominally, open sourceNov 15 10:28
DaemonFCcalling Firefox a compromise is like saying you compromise with your wife by doing whatever she wants to doNov 15 10:29
DaemonFCit means you've given up trying to do things the way you want them done and call it compromising to save faceNov 15 10:29
schestowitzI look forward to the talk tonight... wanna see my old slides from these talks? ... back then I even had a guy from south America volunteer to translate the whole thing into Spanish. He later translated about 300 of my articles to Spanish as well, and distributed these in schools for increased impact.Nov 15 10:30
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DaemonFCyou can compromise your way all the way to Gnewsense if you want toNov 15 10:30
DaemonFCit's your system ;)Nov 15 10:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] UK: Contact your MP now: On Thu Nov 24 Parliament debates Assange & other extradition cases 15 10:31
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schestowitzDaemonFC: right :-)Nov 15 10:31
DaemonFCyou can't compromise and be entirely one-sided at the same timeNov 15 10:31
schestowitzBTWNov 15 10:31
DaemonFCit's just not how compromising worksNov 15 10:31
schestowitzTook me ages catching up with last night's conversationNov 15 10:31
schestowitzThis almost exceeded my scrolling buffer in konversationNov 15 10:32
DaemonFCniceNov 15 10:32
schestowitzI was at work all night last night, couldn't get involvedNov 15 10:32
MinceRgood thing that giving up dozens of features and extensions is "doing things the way i do"Nov 15 10:32
MinceRin the world where everyone thinks like DaemonFC Nov 15 10:32
DaemonFCmine seems to crash when it gets more stuff than its tiny little mind can handleNov 15 10:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] cool reasons to use the K Desktop Environment #kdeNov 15 10:33
MinceRone people, one empire, one browserNov 15 10:33
TechrightsBot-trTitle: 2 cool reasons to use the K Desktop Environment .::. Size~: 123.1 KBNov 15 10:33
DaemonFCIE on Windows is the other side of one-sidednessNov 15 10:33
DaemonFCIcewhatever on Gnewsense is the other extremeNov 15 10:33
DaemonFCeither one of those situations is badNov 15 10:34
DaemonFCbut don't let me stop youNov 15 10:34
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 10:34
DaemonFCOh noez, it goes to the site that the site that used a missing plug in says the plug in is at!Nov 15 10:34
DaemonFCCan't have that, the plug-in might not be free enough!Nov 15 10:34
DaemonFClets patch it to recommend ours that doesn't work but is free!Nov 15 10:35
DaemonFCB-)Nov 15 10:35
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DaemonFCit's the other side of extremismNov 15 10:35
DaemonFCwe can't possibly trust the user to evaluate the situation, think for himself, and act on his own volition!Nov 15 10:36
DaemonFCwe must censor it with foreign patchingNov 15 10:36
DaemonFCFREEDOM!!!Nov 15 10:36
DaemonFC;)Nov 15 10:36
DaemonFCit's possible to go entirely overboard and start tilting at windmillsNov 15 10:37
DaemonFCTrisquel and Gnewsense are at that pointNov 15 10:37
DaemonFCof course it doesn't stop them from claiming they influenced a company decision by changing the defaults on something of theirs you'd be insane to useNov 15 10:38
DaemonFCSGI agreed that there was a GLX licensing issue, fixed the issue, and thanked themNov 15 10:38
DaemonFCdropping GLX from Gnewsense didn't change the flow at allNov 15 10:38
DaemonFCit just allowed the FSF to swoop in after the fact and declare victory over the "evil software company"Nov 15 10:39
DaemonFCThen I'm sitting here saying "Yeah, whatever. Thanks to SGI for putting up with these clowns and fixing the issue like they would have anyway if the FSF wasn't so overly dramatic about the whole process"Nov 15 10:40
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 10:40
MinceRyes, everything is an extreme except operaNov 15 10:40
DaemonFCyou could try asking nicely instead of barging in and making a complete ass out of yourselfNov 15 10:40
DaemonFCor at least put that option on the back burner while you try asking politelyNov 15 10:41
DaemonFCRMS never does thisNov 15 10:41
MinceRexcept that's pretty much their modus operandi about GPL violationsNov 15 10:41
MinceRfor exampleNov 15 10:41
DaemonFCWhy can't they ask nicely?Nov 15 10:41
DaemonFCthen when it doesn't work they can say "We tried being nice"Nov 15 10:42
MinceRthey can and they often doNov 15 10:42
DaemonFCbtw, GLX was never a GPL violationNov 15 10:42
DaemonFCthey just considered teh FreeB 1.0 license to not meet their FSF definition of freeNov 15 10:42
MinceRit was an exampleNov 15 10:42
DaemonFCit passed the OSI open source definition and the DFSGNov 15 10:42
MinceRthe OSD was derived from the DFSG, no surprise thereNov 15 10:43
MinceRthey're almost or entirely identicalNov 15 10:43
DaemonFCif FSF had walked up and said something like "Excuse us, we noticed your license makes this impossible to distribute under our guidelines. Would you please consider fixing it?" it would have been OK'Nov 15 10:44
DaemonFCinstead, they deleted it from all "free" Linux distributions with no warning to SGI or their own usersNov 15 10:44
DaemonFCand then did cartwheels around the whole issue, jumping up and down with their whole "Look at me, I'm an attention whore" showNov 15 10:45
DaemonFCand at the same time, they shipped stolen source code for AFIO that someone illegally relicensed 10 years agoNov 15 10:45
DaemonFCFREEDOM!Nov 15 10:45
DaemonFC;)Nov 15 10:45
DaemonFCthey do such bizarre and seemingly senseless things that it's harder to take them seriously the more you watch themNov 15 10:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Five Months of Incubation at ASFNov 15 10:46
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] How come no new releases of OOo in so long? #oracle #apacheNov 15 10:46
DaemonFCand now I noticed RPM Fusion's project is shipping stolen source code which was illegally relicensedNov 15 10:47
DaemonFCeven after I warned them they were doing that and one of them even brought it up in their bugzilla entry about including this AAC codec software in questionNov 15 10:48
DaemonFCso they ignore freedom and little things like illegal relicensing where it suits themNov 15 10:48
DaemonFCand make a big issue over minor problems like GLXNov 15 10:48
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DaemonFCI think the FSF's stated goals are admirable, but the way they operate is pretty slimy if you stop and think about it for a bitNov 15 10:49
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schestowitzexamples?Nov 15 10:50
DaemonFCso I think the OSI is actually better than they are in practical real world situationsNov 15 10:50
schestowitzOSI is useless nowNov 15 10:50
schestowitzThey do nothing, not even blogNov 15 10:50
schestowitzAnd one of them, , is not serving the BorgNov 15 10:50
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schestowitzShe joined Gates' clubNov 15 10:50
schestowitzThey offered her money to openwash Gates' empire of patentsNov 15 10:50
schestowitzFor shame.Nov 15 10:50
DaemonFCschestowitz: Stop calling Microsoft the BorgNov 15 10:50
DaemonFCit's just wrongNov 15 10:50
schestowitzBerg?Nov 15 10:50
schestowitzBrag?Nov 15 10:51
DaemonFCthey're more like the Ferengi if you have to call them something Trekky Nov 15 10:51
schestowitzBong?Nov 15 10:51
schestowitzLOLNov 15 10:51
schestowitzGood point, mateNov 15 10:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Westford encourages #RedHat to stay #ncNov 15 10:51
schestowitzBut..Nov 15 10:51
schestowitzWhy insult a whole species?Nov 15 10:51
DaemonFCBorg implies that they are efficientNov 15 10:51
DaemonFChave solid plans for dominationNov 15 10:51
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Westford encourages Red Hat to stay  - Westford, MA - Westford Eagle .::. Size~: 103.09 KBNov 15 10:51
schestowitzThey are not responsible for the action of the man who sweats like a pigNov 15 10:52
schestowitzIn fact, they might take offence in thatNov 15 10:52
DaemonFCare good at integrating other peoples things into their ownNov 15 10:52
schestowitzAnd claim you generalise based on Ballmer, saying they look alikeNov 15 10:52
schestowitzOr comparing them to black peopleNov 15 10:52
DaemonFCcalling them Ferengi implies SweatyB dancing around in a Windows commercialNov 15 10:52
schestowitzLet's not stir up *that*& hornets' nestNov 15 10:52
DaemonFC20 bars of Latinum, except in Nebraska!Nov 15 10:52
schestowitzBallmer had too much helium that dayNov 15 10:53
schestowitzExplains his voice, tooNov 15 10:53
DaemonFCcalling them Borg is bordering on a complimentNov 15 10:53
schestowitzYelping like a gurlNov 15 10:53
schestowitzand on a highNov 15 10:53
DaemonFCFerengi implies they're con artistsNov 15 10:53
DaemonFCand theivesNov 15 10:53
schestowitzright..Nov 15 10:53
schestowitzBut..Nov 15 10:53
schestowitzEven Ferengi did not engage in rackteeringNov 15 10:54
DaemonFCand only guided by their own rules of acquisition Nov 15 10:54
schestowitzIt's like comparing Bush to HitlerNov 15 10:54
schestowitzYou don't wanna do that /srcasmNov 15 10:54
schestowitzohMy! Nazi humour!Nov 15 10:54
schestowitzDaemonFC: BTWNov 15 10:55
DaemonFCBallmer doesn't have really big earsNov 15 10:55
schestowitzCheck out what OMGUbuntu'\s media company is calledNov 15 10:55
DaemonFCbut he does have a really fat assNov 15 10:55
DaemonFCis that close enough?Nov 15 10:55
schestowitzSomething like "Oh" somethingNov 15 10:55
schestowitzDaemonFC: I don't think he has an arse actuallyNov 15 10:55
schestowitzoverweight people don't always have an arseNov 15 10:55
schestowitzBallmer is a slobNov 15 10:56
schestowitzHis whole body type is that of a developed apeNov 15 10:56
schestowitzNot much moreNov 15 10:56
schestowitzDaemonFC: some people sturggle to keep their pants on without belt or suspenders because their 'girth' is far sider than the hipsNov 15 10:57
schestowitz*widerNov 15 10:57
schestowitzLOL 15 10:58
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schestowitzCheck out that foundation in fearonixNov 15 10:58
schestowitzNow, let me find you what BN has..Nov 15 10:59
schestowitzI man, fountainNov 15 10:59
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DaemonFClets seeNov 15 11:02
DaemonFChow best to harass my enemy?Nov 15 11:02
DaemonFCI think I will lure his tanks out and bomb themNov 15 11:02
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 11:02
schestowitz"Because all the real talent went to LibreOffice? I've used both, right after the fork, and it was obvious then that it was at least as stable, while lighter and subsequently faster. And in that short period of time, some improvements were already incorporated also, besides code base rejuvenation. Some things were left behind - templates for Impress, for example, but the older ones for OO Impress still fit. " 15 11:05
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schestowitzDaemonFC: your parallel world againNov 15 11:05
schestowitzWorld of World of RyansonNov 15 11:05
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schestowitzI am getting an empty article on 15 11:18
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Linux loses its luster as a darling among developers - Computerworld .::. Size~: 140.82 KBNov 15 11:18
schestowitzAnyone else?Nov 15 11:18
schestowitzMaybe it's just like this on my browserNov 15 11:18
schestowitzPlease do not download #OpenSUSE as it is helping Microsoft. 15 11:18
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schestowitz:-)Nov 15 11:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Is Ubuntu’s Dominance Slipping? #ubuntuNov 15 11:21
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schestowitz"I don't like that. What about the community and payed devs doing a good job in all these foss projects? Don't blame them for politics they haven't deside. " 15 11:22
msb__schestowitz: I can see that (stupid) article in using Firefox 4.0.Nov 15 11:22
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schestowitzThe point is, the community does not get to decide. Novell makes those decisions without it. Thus, Novell needs to be shunned. It's taking orders (and money) from Redmond.Nov 15 11:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #PCLinuxOS is probably the most underrated GNU/Linux distribution these days. It's not all about Mint.Nov 15 11:23
schestowitzmsb__: does it have a point?Nov 15 11:23
schestowitzIn Thunderbrowse I get an empty article divNov 15 11:23
msb__"OS X is now the primary development platform of 7.9% of developers, the survey found, while only 5.6% of developers use Linux."Nov 15 11:23
schestowitzI wonder, what is their contention based on?Nov 15 11:23
schestowitzMany people I speak to here (non-techies) turn out to have used LinuxNov 15 11:24
schestowitzAnd the UK is still relatively Linux-hostileNov 15 11:24
schestowitzmsb__: what developers?Nov 15 11:24
schestowitzwho did the survey?Nov 15 11:24
schestowitzEclipse survey showed that most developers use LinuxNov 15 11:24
msb__You can read the article using lynx.  8^)Nov 15 11:24
schestowitzand that like 80% of them deploy on LinuxNov 15 11:24
schestowitzmsb__: I think I'll passNov 15 11:25
schestowitzThe headline is a generalisationNov 15 11:25
schestowitzIt doesn't tell the newsNov 15 11:25
schestowitzTHey could say what survey said about a group studiesNov 15 11:25
schestowitzInstead they try to make it seem like asking a few *selected* devs is a thing to be extrapolatedNov 15 11:25
schestowitzTypical IDGNov 15 11:25
schestowitzRemember it's paid by MSNov 15 11:25
schestowitzIDCNov 15 11:25
msb__A lot more of the article shows up in lynx than in firefox.Nov 15 11:25
schestowitzIDC spreads the fake anti-Linux statsNov 15 11:26
schestowitzWhere they only measure TOTAL REVENUE on PREINSTALLSNov 15 11:26
schestowitzReal surveys work like a census, but Microsoft wouldn't contract IDC to do *that*Nov 15 11:26
schestowitz“Analysts sell out - that’s their business model" --Microsoft Corporation 15 11:27
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schestowitzThere is some troll in TR who tries calling me a liahhh! :-) The trolls love doing that to discredit my message and get people to ignore the evidence.Nov 15 11:33
schestowitzTypical tacticsNov 15 11:33
msb__I just got a bunch of objective-C books and it seems it's mostly used for Mac OSX and iphone programs.  Obj-C is a much more friendly language than C++.  How come we don't use it?Nov 15 11:36
DaemonFClol, I got all of that guys resources with 2 minutes left on the clockNov 15 11:41
msb__There is a GNU compiler and library for it.  Apparently it's closer to Smalltalk than C++ is. 15 11:41
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DaemonFCso I told the computer to fly my drones for the remaining 2 minutes and shoot at whatever they were closest tooNov 15 11:42
DaemonFCand went to take a leakNov 15 11:42
DaemonFCit's going to be a while before he's back up and running B-)Nov 15 11:42
DaemonFCRyan Farmer destroyed Jonathan's base in War Commander!Nov 15 11:42
DaemonFCUnstoppable war machine!Nov 15 11:42
DaemonFCThe Empire of Farmerstan grows larger B-)Nov 15 11:42
msb__DaemonFC: Is there any way you can do this stuff to Microsoft?Nov 15 11:42
DaemonFCI started out the attack by having my tanks go after his anti-aircraft turretsNov 15 11:44
DaemonFCand while his tanks were busy responding, I ordered my drones in and told them to target the column of tanksNov 15 11:44
DaemonFCby that time the AA was destroyed so I told all ground units to fire on the lead tankNov 15 11:44
DaemonFCB-)Nov 15 11:44
DaemonFCthere's a pile of burned up tank remains on his mapNov 15 11:44
DaemonFC:DNov 15 11:44
DaemonFCI suspect he will be pissed Nov 15 11:45
DaemonFCa most glorious victory for the EmpireNov 15 11:45
DaemonFCwouldn't you say, schestowitz? :)Nov 15 11:45
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @Coadec Ed Quilty: Approach to stopping revenue of pirate sites is internationally recognised #Hargreaves >>what's that? #SOPANov 15 11:49
DaemonFCI thought about exiting then I figured it would be a bad idea to leave anything standingNov 15 11:50
DaemonFCno reason to let him rebuild faster in order to threaten me B-)Nov 15 11:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] I like the metaphor @ #gnu #linuxNov 15 11:51
DaemonFClooking at the game's AI, it seems to prioritize targets by level of threat they pose to friendly units in the area, and failing that, by the value they are to the enemyNov 15 11:51
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schestowitzEmpire of Farmerstan?Nov 15 11:52
DaemonFCI noticed once I switched on the AI, it ordered my drones to take out the mortar installations while my ground forces followed after the mortar threats were neutralizedNov 15 11:52
schestowitzDid you really call it that?Nov 15 11:52
schestowitzDid you liberate them by spreading communism?Nov 15 11:53
DaemonFCthen after all mortars were gone, the drones doubled back and assisted the ground forces by taking out building in order of importanceNov 15 11:53
DaemonFCit's a good AINov 15 11:53
DaemonFCB-)Nov 15 11:53
schestowitzEach soldat according to his abilityNov 15 11:53
DaemonFCthe only thing left standing on his base is a radio tower and one heavily damaged power plant Nov 15 11:54
DaemonFC:DNov 15 11:54
DaemonFCtime ran outNov 15 11:54
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msb__Democratic Socialism please!Nov 15 11:54
schestowitzDaemonFC: you tun this under kubuntu?Nov 15 11:54
DaemonFCyeahNov 15 11:54
schestowitzDemSocs?Nov 15 11:54
schestowitzGIVE me ma GODDAMN SOCK!!Nov 15 11:54
msb__Or Social Democracy.Nov 15 11:55
schestowitzIt's brunch soon... long day ahead... no contract work till SaturdayNov 15 11:58
schestowitznight :-)Nov 15 11:58
msb__schestowitz: All these usage surveys regarding Linux are not nearly significant as making/keeping Linux compatible/friendly with the human mind doing complex and multiple tasks.Nov 15 11:58
msb__schestowitz: Which for a lot of people means KDE3/Trinity, not KDE4.Nov 15 11:59
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schestowitz"Nov 15 12:00
schestowitz@Roy: Because they cooperate on VM-stuff you would escalate to taking orders of MS in general? But how does the business-level make any difference in the community-distro? Are they going propritary now? Or fighting fierce competition in MS-style against the other distros? - NoNov 15 12:00
schestowitzSo what is your point in demanding a boycott against a foss-community? Would you do it with Android because they're used for a business model not very privacy-friendly or Ubuntu cos they're used by a "benevolent dictator"?Nov 15 12:00
schestowitzI wouldn't judge the valuable contribution of a whole community by business-deals the financier does.Nov 15 12:00
schestowitz"Nov 15 12:00
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schestowitzIf you watch the OpenSUSE community closely (as I tend to do, reading almost every relevant post), you soon see that today's OpenSUSE is steered and operated by Attachmate people, who also run SUSE. SUSE helps Microsoft tax GNU/Linux, in exchange for a bribe. OpenSUSE is just the labelling.Nov 15 12:01
DaemonFCThe only thing I don't like about the organizational structure of Trinity is that only one person has SVN write accessNov 15 12:03
DaemonFCprojects like that typically don't turn out wellNov 15 12:03
schestowitzSJVN?Nov 15 12:03
DaemonFCschestowitz: 15 12:04
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DaemonFCthose resource collectors double as some really sturdy obstaclesNov 15 12:05
DaemonFCthey have a lot of hit pointsNov 15 12:05
msb__DaemonFC: Isn't Trinity switching to git?Nov 15 12:05
DaemonFCat the same time the enemy is trying to destroy them, they'll be being shelled by my mortarsNov 15 12:05
DaemonFCmsb__: Hell if I knowNov 15 12:06
DaemonFCthe git switch with KDE was political, not technical in natureNov 15 12:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[docufoundation/@docufoundation] LibreOffice has a DevRoom at FOSDEM. Here's our Call for Papers: !libo !tdfNov 15 12:06
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DaemonFCat least according to Rex Dieter and Kevin Kofler of FedoraNov 15 12:06
DaemonFCI suspect they might have just been pissed that the breakup of packages made their jobs harderNov 15 12:06
DaemonFCto maintain and package KDE for FedoraNov 15 12:07
DaemonFCused to be a couple dozen tarballsNov 15 12:07
DaemonFCthe problem with that was if you wanted to remove Juk, it meant removing Amarok, which meant removing Dragon Player, which meant removing.....Nov 15 12:07
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 12:07
DaemonFCnow they're all their own packages, so it works out better for Fedora usersNov 15 12:08
DaemonFCsome distributions like Kubuntu broke the tarballs into their own packages downstream already anywayNov 15 12:08
DaemonFCbut now it's like that upstreamNov 15 12:08
DaemonFCand it means that you don't have to have all of, say, kde-multimedia to get AmarokNov 15 12:08
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 12:09
DaemonFCbetter for the userNov 15 12:09
msb__DaemonFC: Trinity is having a developers meeting today in 5 hours -- 12noon EST  -- in #trinity-desktop-meeting  in   irc.opensuse.orgNov 15 12:09
DaemonFCbetter for the distributions that were bothering to break it up themselvesNov 15 12:09
DaemonFCmore work for Fedora, boo gitNov 15 12:09
DaemonFCthat's what I was sensingNov 15 12:09
DaemonFC"Boo, SVN worked fine!" (For us, because we packaged the RPMs like the couple dozen tarballs came and called it a day)Nov 15 12:10
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 12:10
DaemonFCthe Kubuntu people were happy with git, because the situation was reversed for themNov 15 12:11
DaemonFCcausing less workNov 15 12:11
DaemonFCIt reminds me of Indiana's governor promoting daylight savings timeNov 15 12:13
DaemonFCwhich was never observed in Indiana until 2006Nov 15 12:13
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 12:13
DaemonFCOne of his "arguments" was there would be fewer car crashes because of the "extra hour" of daylightNov 15 12:13
DaemonFCso I pointed out that there was no "extra hour" of daylight, and all this means is there will statistically be fewer morning car crashes nowNov 15 12:14
DaemonFCand more in the late evening insteadNov 15 12:14
DaemonFCpoliticiansNov 15 12:14
DaemonFC:DNov 15 12:14
DaemonFCarguments that only make sense in PoliticianlandNov 15 12:15
DaemonFCthey give you the half of the argument that promotes whatever they're sellingNov 15 12:16
DaemonFCI think he even phrased it to the effect of "There will be fewer people in car crashes during the morning commute"Nov 15 12:18
DaemonFCso it's OK if they die coming home from work instead?Nov 15 12:18
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 12:18
DaemonFCpoliticians are really the same thing as marketing peopleNov 15 12:18
DaemonFCsomeone else makes all the decisionsNov 15 12:19
DaemonFCtheir job is to sell you on what has already been decidedNov 15 12:19
DaemonFCI mention this because any time there's a "community" there are "politicians"Nov 15 12:19
DaemonFCjono is the Ubuntu politicianNov 15 12:21
schestowitzPR Nov 15 12:21
schestowitzWell..Nov 15 12:21
schestowitzSame thingNov 15 12:22
DaemonFCsometimes Steve of Linux responds directly if you push the issueNov 15 12:22
schestowitzPolitician is a PR person with legal backgroundNov 15 12:22
schestowitzDaemonFC: among jono's linkedin connections there are some other ShuttleworthsNov 15 12:22
schestowitzIt's like another Rockefeller dynasty :-) :-)Nov 15 12:22
schestowitzJono is their front end :-pNov 15 12:23
schestowitzI kif anyway, I like jonoNov 15 12:23
schestowitz*kidNov 15 12:23
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schestowitzthere have been servr capacity issues since Ilya diedNov 15 12:27
schestowitzNot sure if there is some indirect relationship between those eventsNov 15 12:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] RT @opensourcerer Good ole #Microsoft. Such a nice company… Looks like B&N might have "kicked the hornet's nest" this time: 15 12:28
schestowitzThey said they needed more serversNov 15 12:28
schestowitzAnd one co-founder in this tiny company diedNov 15 12:28
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MinceRobjective-C, friendly? muhahahaha.Nov 15 12:30
schestowitzMust be a typoNov 15 12:31
schestowitzfiendlyNov 15 12:32
MinceRthat's more accurateNov 15 12:32
schestowitz".. any links to share? " 15 12:35
schestowitz"Nov 15 12:35
schestowitzI will definitely download #openSUSE to make sure that I get a distro which is completely and quite nicely translated into my language ... that's mainly because I do that translation myself :PNov 15 12:35
schestowitzAnd I think openSUSE is the best #KDE distro.Nov 15 12:35
schestowitz"Nov 15 12:35
schestowitzKubuntu and PCLOS are good for KDE. Mandriva used to be good, maybe Mageia still is.Nov 15 12:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxconfau/@linuxconfau] RT @kaiblin: Flight to MEL is booked, #LCA2012, here I come. <-- Great to have you on board Kai! Looking forward to seeing you in JanuaryNov 15 12:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] alt+f2, "file" or "file associations", run the File Associations panel and change the settings to your preference.Nov 15 12:44
DaemonFCdon't translations go upstream? :PNov 15 12:52
schestowitzsupposed toNov 15 12:52
schestowitzKDE is not a suse projectNov 15 12:52
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schestowitz""Nov 15 13:06
schestowitzI somehow fail to see the cool points. I don't dislike KDE at all, but all those icon grid based interfaces get in my way too often. It's nothing new either, the GUI age started with big icons and big letters. What's wrong with displaying lots of information at once?Nov 15 13:06
schestowitzThe worst thing for us professionals is, that we actually have to use all those environments. One day a customer will cross my doorstep and ask questions about Gnome 3, KDE or Unity, waving his purse. Most of them will not start using Openbox or Herbstluftwm, just because that geek he paid told him to.Nov 15 13:06
schestowitz"Nov 15 13:06
schestowitz"I do not download Suse for other reasons... " 15 13:06
schestowitz"I wonder how long it will take for them to figure out it won't work. Or is there is another motive here? " 15 13:07
schestowitzPerhaps more centralisationNov 15 13:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[greve/@greve] Time for ChimarraoNov 15 13:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] When will Oracle fix the Java Updater that is seemingly stuck in an endless installation loop on all my Windows 'puters?Nov 15 13:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Todd Park: New incentives (plus) Information liberation = Rocket fuel for innovation | #openhealthNov 15 14:03
DaemonFCI am sickNov 15 14:07
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 14:07
DaemonFCI just deployed a bunch of riflemen as breadcrumbsNov 15 14:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] House Judiciary Committee SOPA Hearings Stacked 5 To 1 In Favor Of Censoring The Internet - frightened of a fair fightNov 15 14:08
DaemonFCthe enemy tanks came up out of the baseNov 15 14:08
DaemonFCkilled the riflemen one by one until they reached the edge of the mapNov 15 14:08
DaemonFCthen I called in my drones and had them unload on all the tanksNov 15 14:08
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 14:08
DaemonFCthen I sent in tanks to destroy his war factory from a safe distanceNov 15 14:09
DaemonFCB-)Nov 15 14:09
DaemonFCOh look, a rifleman *boom boom boom*Nov 15 14:11
DaemonFCOh look, another rifleman *boom boom boom*Nov 15 14:11
DaemonFC10 more later "Well, we sure showed them, wait, what are those.....oh shit!"Nov 15 14:11
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 14:11
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DaemonFCprofitable? NoNov 15 14:13
DaemonFCcheap entertainmentNov 15 14:13
DaemonFCthose riflemen are dirt cheap to buildNov 15 14:13
DaemonFChis tanks weren'tNov 15 14:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @johnalexwood Psychiatric disease labeling and drugging of children exposed as scam by non-profit group 15 14:16
DaemonFCWhy do they call this Sandy Bridge New Acceleration?Nov 15 14:17
DaemonFCit works on my old GMA 3100Nov 15 14:17
DaemonFCWhy would you use FAT?Nov 15 14:22
DaemonFC It can't be technical merit unless this is 1982. Nov 15 14:22
DaemonFC Seriously though, I think it's stupid to pay MS patent tax on FAT when these idiots at companies like Sandisk could just use Ext2, install a Windows userspace driver for it, and not owe SweatyB anything.Nov 15 14:22
DaemonFC The only possible reasons you'd use FAT is if you care about Windows or that's all the device supports because the manufacturer is stupid. It's such an ancient pile of crap. So much overhead, so unreliable. Microsoft tax.Nov 15 14:22
DaemonFC-me on FAT(16,32,64)Nov 15 14:22
MinceRsomeone said ext2ifs doesn't work on vista7Nov 15 14:23
DaemonFCI have a feeling that if companies did install an Ext2 ICD on Windows to evade MS tax, the filesystem ICD would be suddenly removed with the next version of Windows with no explanation Nov 15 14:23
MinceRthen again, they could still use UDFNov 15 14:23
DaemonFCyeah, good luck getting that to work with Windows XPNov 15 14:24
MinceRthen again, they could ship an up-to-date ext2/ext3 driver with their deviceNov 15 14:25
MinceRthey already install all sorts of crap along with the "driver" on winblowsNov 15 14:25
DaemonFCWindows Vista is the oldest version of Windows that has a complete UDF implementationNov 15 14:25
DaemonFCand knowing Microsoft, they probably did stuff to it to cause problems for Windows XP and Linux users so they'd give up and use VistaNov 15 14:26
DaemonFCwell, I know UDF discs burned with Vista's built in disc burner usually don't work in XPNov 15 14:26
DaemonFCXP reports that you've inserted a blank CDNov 15 14:27
MinceRfunNov 15 14:27
DaemonFCor it doesn't recognize it at allNov 15 14:27
DaemonFCyou'd have to go pretty damned far back to have that happen on LinuxNov 15 14:27
DaemonFCnobody uses Linux that's old enough for that to happen Nov 15 14:27
DaemonFCthere's no upgrade chargeNov 15 14:28
DaemonFCso there's no reason to keep a 10 year old OSNov 15 14:28
DaemonFCyou'd have to be running Linux 2.4 to have the same problems with UDF discs Windows XP doesNov 15 14:29
DaemonFCor OS X 10.4Nov 15 14:30
DaemonFCit had roughly the same UDF support as Windows XPNov 15 14:30
DaemonFCWindows 95 OSR 2 supported enough to know what a DVD was, provided you had DVD playback softwareNov 15 14:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] 100 links para clicar antes de morrer | Revista Bula - #interesting #books #music 15 14:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] [Dicas-L] Compilando o Nagios 3.2.3 e seu pacote de Plugins no #Debian Squeeze - #flosstools #tips 15 14:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] New poll: Do you use @CreativeCommons licenses on YouTube? Why or why not? | #ccNov 15 14:31
DaemonFC 15 14:31
DaemonFCvictim of Microsoft rebranding Nov 15 14:31
DaemonFCCompatibility issuesNov 15 14:31
DaemonFCOlder Windows versions do not have support reading the latest UDF versions.[2] If users create DVD/CDs in Windows Vista using UDF 2.50, these may not be readable on other systems, including Windows XP and older Apple systems unless a third-party UDF reader driver is installed. To ensure compatibility of disks created on Windows Vista, UDF 2.01 or lower should be selected.Nov 15 14:32
DaemonFCso, new features you can't use unless you want most Windows users to not be able to read itNov 15 14:32
MinceRthey could use the older version, thenNov 15 14:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] What no one has told me about programming #sex_math_programmingNov 15 14:38
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] GOLDMAN: Demand For The iPad Is Fading (Business Insider): 15 14:41
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] UK Radioplayer launches new apps for PC, Mac or !Linux according to Media news 15 14:43
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I was surprised to read that !Gwibber is by far the most popular µblogging client for !Linux - Can that be true, so many moans etc…Nov 15 14:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Australia: Nov 17: Julian Assange + Bradley Manning global support day 15 14:53
schestowitz"@Olav that's true. In terms of KDE-presentation no other distro is on the same level (maybe beside of archlinux but theirs is vanilla). OpenSuSE is also contributing a lot to KDE upstream. @Roy I don't know PCLOS but Kubuntu has not much to offer, it is a lesser Ubuntu with a not well maintaint vanilla-KDE. I used them myself for a while.. but their community is too small and somehow they are just the tiny brother of Ubuntu. "Nov 15 14:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Big Brother is watching - and listening - in Oxford | Big Brother Watch - #uk #policestate 15 14:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Crafting an EV motocycle that can't fall and a folding moped - YouTube - #scitek 15 14:56
schestowitz"Nov 15 14:57
schestowitzIn openSUSE the community decide what happens. There are a few full time SUSE developers who are working on openSUSE, but as a part of the community. You can't say that someone who doesn't contribute anything to the project can decide something while there are people who contribute a lot but because they are working for a Linux company they can't decide. If this would be the case, the distribution would already be dead. Not because the Nov 15 14:57
schestowitzcontributors may have no motivation to go on because some 12 year old kid don't want his work. All people want something else and that would be total chaos.Nov 15 14:57
schestowitzJust read this and maybe you will understand how openSUSE works: 15 14:57
schestowitzAlthough Novell/SUSE is working together is that not a criteria not to use openSUSE. Indeed, the cooperation of SUSE (not openSUSE) and Microsoft might be good for everybody else. Just think about Microsoft's contributions to Linux. That's a great thing.Nov 15 14:57
schestowitz"Nov 15 14:57
schestowitzLOLNov 15 14:57
schestowitzcontributions to Linux.Nov 15 14:57
schestowitzThe FUDNov 15 14:57
schestowitzand hooks for proprietary software from the company suing LinuxNov 15 14:58
MinceRlolNov 15 14:58
MinceRfinally i can use the virtualization software i wouldn't touch with a ten foot pole, on an OS i avoid!Nov 15 14:58
schestowitzExactlyNov 15 15:01
schestowitzMicrosoft... the community ;-)Nov 15 15:02
schestowitzIf Microsoft was a community, it would be something between barbarism and paganNov 15 15:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] South Korea proposes restricting all e-mail sending to official e-mail servers "spam" against #privacyNov 15 15:08
schestowitzodd claim 15 15:10
schestowitzThe data to back this is missingNov 15 15:11
schestowitz#Android Ice Cream Sandwich Source Released 15 15:11
schestowitzdidn't take long. #linux #mobileNov 15 15:11
schestowitzWorks fine for GoogleNov 15 15:11
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody Why Google should buy Barnes & Noble - one way of supporting its anti-trust action against #MicrosoftNov 15 15:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] What's so fiiiiiiiine about art? #old97sNov 15 15:16
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody #Adobe Donating Flex to Open Source Foundation; Continues Fire Sale on Formerly-Core Software - Open ...Nov 15 15:16
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schestowitz "This is a great example of the Haemorrhaging Horse."Nov 15 15:39
schestowitzCanonical staff on disasporaNov 15 15:40
schestowitzAlso some SUSE boostersNov 15 15:40
schestowitzIt's funnyNov 15 15:40
schestowitzmajor migration to it, I thinkNov 15 15:40
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MinceRyes, everyone will _have to_ move to unity, it's not like there are other desktop environments aroundNov 15 15:42
MinceRand it's not like gnome2 was forked alreadyNov 15 15:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Please treat groups like you would mailing lists. You wouldn't cross-post an email to 4-5 mailing lists, would you?Nov 15 15:43
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schestowitzBlechNov 15 15:45
schestowitzthe lobbyists uses identica againNov 15 15:45
schestowitzto bemoan Linux as usualNov 15 15:45
schestowitzOh noes!Nov 15 15:45
schestowitzLinus against swpatsNov 15 15:45
schestowitzMicrosoft Florian to the rescureNov 15 15:45
schestowitzMicrosoft pays himNov 15 15:45
schestowitz*resueNov 15 15:45
schestowitzcue even, I can't tyr right without proofreadingNov 15 15:45
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TechrightsBot-trTitle: All bets off as Flex put out to pasture - Null Pointer - Blogs - ZDNet Australia .::. Size~: 109.5 KBNov 15 15:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Google will ignore your Wi-Fi router ... if you rename it • The Register 15 15:56
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DaemonFCLinus is a wuss. I mean, if he just admitted Microsoft owned Linux, we could all just pay $300 per copy of Ubuntu (to Microsoft) and co-exist peacefullyNov 15 16:02
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 16:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Vladimir #Putin scoops Chinese peace award - you can't make this stuff up #chinaNov 15 16:03
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Vladimir Putin scoops Chinese peace award | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 105.36 KBNov 15 16:03
schestowitzSome lies from Florian were debunjked y LinusNov 15 16:03
MinceRand by "co-exist peacefully", you mean "die quickly" :>Nov 15 16:03
schestowitzAbout android copyright IIRCNov 15 16:03
schestowitzFlorian is a liar-for-saleNov 15 16:04
schestowitzMicrosost hires him right nowNov 15 16:04
schestowitzFirst to lie about THNov 15 16:04
schestowitzThen AndroidNov 15 16:04
schestowitzIBMNov 15 16:04
schestowitzOIN..Nov 15 16:04
DaemonFCMinceR: NoNov 15 16:04
schestowitzHe's comical but harmfulNov 15 16:04
DaemonFCMicrosoft loves Linux when you pay them to use itNov 15 16:04
DaemonFCthey didn't even have to write any of itNov 15 16:04
DaemonFCaside from hooks for their own proprietary softwareNov 15 16:04
schestowitzcause that eliminates LinuxNov 15 16:04
schestowitzmakes it expensiveNov 15 16:04
schestowitz!google ballmer android not freeNov 15 16:04
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Microsoft will be happy to hear that Google is to keep Android free ... | 15 16:04
TechrightsBot-tr[2] - Microsoft's Ballmer Knocks Android, Commends iPhone | PCWorld | 15 16:04
TechrightsBot-tr[3] - Expect a bunch of new Nokia WP7 phones, Ballmer says, new ... | 15 16:04
TechrightsBot-tr[4] - Ballmer: Android's not free (because of license fees to Microsoft) | 15 16:04
DaemonFCschestowitz: Who wouldn't love a deal like that.Nov 15 16:05
DaemonFCSay, you pay me a recurring feeNov 15 16:05
DaemonFCI don't have to do anything except threaten you if you don'tNov 15 16:05
DaemonFCProfit!Nov 15 16:05
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 16:05
DaemonFCso much easier to patent troll than to make better productsNov 15 16:06
MinceRDaemonFC: 1) it wouldn't be free software anymore and 2) m$ doesn't control it so they want to destroy itNov 15 16:06
ender_2070What's wrong with openSUSENov 15 16:06
DaemonFCMinceR: There's a lot of free and open source software that violates patentsNov 15 16:06
DaemonFCpatent encumbrance does not make it nonfreeNov 15 16:07
MinceRDaemonFC: having to pay per installation does, thoughNov 15 16:07
MinceRit places restrictions on distributionNov 15 16:07
DaemonFCif you mean you have to pay the troll to use free softwareNov 15 16:07
DaemonFCthat's the government's faultNov 15 16:07
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 16:07
MinceRwho controls the government?Nov 15 16:07
schestowitza tollNov 15 16:07
DaemonFCthe trollsNov 15 16:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Evidence, copyright enforcement & self-regulation - UK gov confirms it doesn't really have any evidence #piracy #deactNov 15 16:08
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DaemonFCMinceR: LAME is free softwareNov 15 16:08
DaemonFClicensed under the GPLNov 15 16:08
DaemonFCa government mandated patent tax on it doesn't mean the software is nonfreeNov 15 16:08
MinceRhaven't the patents on mp3 expired already?Nov 15 16:08
DaemonFCit means the government is acting as an enforcer for an outfit that didn't write the software and probably didn't come up with any actual inventions relating to itNov 15 16:09
schestowitzWhat would CHina say?Nov 15 16:09
DaemonFCMinceR: NoNov 15 16:09
schestowitzMinceR: next yearNov 15 16:09
schestowitzsomeNov 15 16:09
DaemonFCDecoding ones finish expiring December 2012Nov 15 16:09
DaemonFCAll encoding related ones expire in 2017Nov 15 16:09
MinceRDaemonFC: see, this is why many people advise against distributing audio encoded by mp3Nov 15 16:09
DaemonFCthe world will end on the 21st thoughNov 15 16:09
schestowitzIf you use *buntu don't worryNov 15 16:09
DaemonFCso blame the MayansNov 15 16:10
DaemonFCMP3 will never be patent-freeNov 15 16:10
schestowitzMarkS has already paid the troll Larry Horn (MPEG cartel)Nov 15 16:10
DaemonFCthe MP3 decode patents would expire on the 31stNov 15 16:10
DaemonFCbut the damned history channel says the Mayans knew everythingNov 15 16:10
DaemonFCand there are ghosts and psychicsNov 15 16:10
schestowitzand the aliens!Nov 15 16:10
DaemonFCand aliens making crop circlesNov 15 16:10
schestowitzright!Nov 15 16:10
MinceRthe world will end in 2012 december just like it ended in 2000Nov 15 16:11
schestowitzand egypt was more advanced than us :-)Nov 15 16:11
schestowitzIf we really really want to believe fantasy and delusionNov 15 16:11
MinceRoh noes, a date element overflowedNov 15 16:11
DaemonFCthey had some technology that was crude and novel, but beyond what you would expect of their level of advancementNov 15 16:11
DaemonFCsuch as batteries for electroplatingNov 15 16:11
schestowitzHistory Channel will air fiction as valid theoryNov 15 16:11
schestowitzCause it gets em ratingsNov 15 16:11
DaemonFCschestowitz: South Park dedicated all of last week's episode to mocking the history channelNov 15 16:12
DaemonFCit was some funny shitNov 15 16:12
schestowitzheheNov 15 16:12
ender_2070eventually technology will reach the point where it is basicly invisible and is bio degradableNov 15 16:12
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 16:12
schestowitzIt's a miixture of history..Nov 15 16:12
schestowitzand "stuff"Nov 15 16:12
schestowitzWhich gets viewersNov 15 16:12
schestowitzNot history at allNov 15 16:12
DaemonFC"Stay tuned for Hairy Bikers"Nov 15 16:12
DaemonFC"Errr, argh!!!"Nov 15 16:12
DaemonFCB-)Nov 15 16:12
schestowitzStay tunes for BIGFOOT!Nov 15 16:12
schestowitz*tunedNov 15 16:12
MinceRthe monster truck?Nov 15 16:12
schestowitzThey broadcast pr0n too?Nov 15 16:13
DaemonFCno stupid, the sub shopNov 15 16:13
schestowitzI guess it's good for their ratingsNov 15 16:13
DaemonFCbut now that you mention Monster, anyone else want a Pawn Stars approved energy drink?Nov 15 16:13
schestowitzLike Rupe saysNov 15 16:13
DaemonFCmmmm, tastes like moose pissNov 15 16:13
DaemonFCwith as much caffeine as a cup of coffeeNov 15 16:13
schestowitzew...Nov 15 16:13
DaemonFCwowNov 15 16:13
DaemonFC:DNov 15 16:13
schestowitzhow would you know?Nov 15 16:13
DaemonFCbecause it's how I would expect moose piss to tasteNov 15 16:14
DaemonFCmuch like Monster Energy DrinkNov 15 16:14
DaemonFConly less carbonatedNov 15 16:14
schestowitzLOLNov 15 16:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] finished a short story type thing I started last night, I think it weighs in @ about 1k words..Nov 15 16:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] also apparently I write like @doctorow. When I saw it I was more excited than I've been since like the scifi con... 15 16:14
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DaemonFCat some point in the futureNov 15 16:15
MinceRisn't monster sweet?Nov 15 16:15
MinceRi wouldn't expect moose piss to be sweetNov 15 16:15
DaemonFCPETA will go undercover at the Monster Energy Drink factory farmNov 15 16:15
DaemonFCfull of moose that are being exploited for their urineNov 15 16:15
MinceRthey'll tell the company "urine big trouble!"Nov 15 16:16
DaemonFCMinceR: They make them diabetic by feeding them the diet of a typical American 12 year oldNov 15 16:16
DaemonFCduhNov 15 16:16
DaemonFCthen their urine is sweet and fruityNov 15 16:16
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 16:16
MinceRlolNov 15 16:16
schestowitzCody does fantastic video editing. Check it out 15 16:16
TechrightsBot-trTitle: A Vidblog! Bryce Z! Nalani Proctor! Wren!       - YouTube .::. Size~: 107.35 KBNov 15 16:16
schestowitzDaemonFC: opposite of AppleNov 15 16:17
schestowitzTheir fruity is urineNov 15 16:17
schestowitzANd they piss everyone offNov 15 16:17
DaemonFCschestowitz: The Java Monsters aren't bad thoughNov 15 16:17
DaemonFCjsut really expensiveNov 15 16:17
DaemonFC$3 a canNov 15 16:18
DaemonFCmarketingNov 15 16:18
DaemonFCstrikes againNov 15 16:18
DaemonFCcold coffee with a tone of high fructose corn syrup and added caffeineNov 15 16:18
DaemonFCbut it is oddly agreeableNov 15 16:18
DaemonFCI could make it myselfNov 15 16:19
DaemonFCbut I like the convenienceNov 15 16:19
DaemonFCB-)Nov 15 16:19
DaemonFCno, not reallyNov 15 16:19
DaemonFCthe last time I got one of those I was about 50 miles from my house and dead tiredNov 15 16:19
DaemonFCyou know how it is, anything to stay awakeNov 15 16:19
DaemonFCblast the stereoNov 15 16:19
DaemonFCdoesn't work, just makes you feel like Guantanamo on wheelsNov 15 16:20
DaemonFCmust....keep....eyes...openNov 15 16:20
DaemonFCJava Monster, fucking rip off, too tired to careNov 15 16:20
DaemonFCgulp gulp gulpNov 15 16:20
DaemonFCcan't sleep, clown will eat me as I crash into oncoming trafficNov 15 16:21
DaemonFC*snore.....snort!!!* I'm up!Nov 15 16:21
DaemonFCwas that a horn?Nov 15 16:22
schestowitz"was that a horn or do you just find me sexy?"Nov 15 16:23
DaemonFCit's one of those things where you're ashamed you did it, other people do it and it pisses you offNov 15 16:23
DaemonFCbut everyone does itNov 15 16:23
DaemonFCit's like, reading a strip of bachelor frogNov 15 16:24
schestowitzLOLNov 15 16:24
DaemonFCand trying to find something you haven't doneNov 15 16:24
DaemonFCjust not possibleNov 15 16:24
schestowitzThe sun has set, h no more happy photos... I have a craving for cereal now. You like any? Which type?Nov 15 16:25
schestowitzRyan stone oh ryan stone... 15 16:26
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Glen Campbell Galveston       - YouTube .::. Size~: 95.03 KBNov 15 16:26
schestowitzTHis is so old... 1967 15 16:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Glen Campbell - By The Time I Get To Phoenix       - YouTube .::. Size~: 95.4 KBNov 15 16:27
schestowitzThis one is good... 15 16:27
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Glen Campbell - Wichita Lineman       - YouTube .::. Size~: 130.1 KBNov 15 16:27
schestowitzVietnam propaganda songsNov 15 16:27
DaemonFC 15 16:30
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ender_207011:16 < DaemonFC> $3 a canNov 15 16:41
ender_207011:16 < DaemonFC> marketingNov 15 16:41
ender_2070I heard safety reasonsNov 15 16:41
DaemonFCsome states regulate how much caffeine can be in a can of thatNov 15 16:51
DaemonFCso it's not like they reformulate it for each oneNov 15 16:51
DaemonFCthey just go by whatever state has the lowest limitNov 15 16:51
DaemonFCsame reason why a TV set I buy in Indiana has to conform to California energy lawsNov 15 16:53
DaemonFCthey're not going to make one model to sell in CaliforniaNov 15 16:53
MinceRexcept in Nebraska!Nov 15 16:53
schestowitzNot anymoreNov 15 16:54
schestowitzthey cavedNov 15 16:54
schestowitzRyanstone sez soNov 15 16:55
DaemonFChuh?Nov 15 16:55
DaemonFCwho is that?Nov 15 16:55
schestowitzGlenn CampbellNov 15 16:56
schestowitzRyanstone oh ryanstone.. harmon farmer still aun't daaaayin'Nov 15 16:56
schestowitzrednecky tuneNov 15 16:57
DaemonFC 15 16:57
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DaemonFC 15 17:00
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DaemonFCwowNov 15 17:00
DaemonFCapparently some judges aren't corruptNov 15 17:00
DaemonFC"Nov 15 17:01
DaemonFCThe order from New York Supreme Court Judge Lucy Billings allows protesters to bring tents and other equipment back into the privately owned park where the now-global Occupy movement began.Nov 15 17:01
DaemonFCPolice, however, did not immediately let them in.Nov 15 17:01
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 17:01
DaemonFCwell, you can't have the police upholding the lawNov 15 17:01
DaemonFCit might set a bad precedentNov 15 17:01
DaemonFCtheir job is to act as Pinkerton agents for the richNov 15 17:01
DaemonFCIt's always nice to see a government ignoring rulings from its own court systemNov 15 17:03
DaemonFCit's the sign of a healthy functional system of checks and balancesNov 15 17:03
DaemonFCB-)Nov 15 17:03
DaemonFCWhen the judges rule against you, you get pwned by the stateNov 15 17:04
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DaemonFCwhen the judges rule against the state, the state ignored the judge and pwns you anywayNov 15 17:04
DaemonFC*ignoresNov 15 17:04
DaemonFC 15 17:07
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DaemonFCLMFAO!!!! Nov 15 17:07
DaemonFCThe school district that first denied to TMZ they allowed a hardcore porn star to read to first graders has now changed its tune, acknowledging she did indeed make an appearance, but they thought she was a mainstream actress -- not the winner of AVN's 2010 award for "Best Anal Sex Scene."Nov 15 17:08
DaemonFCoh well, it was probably preferable to Bush and My Pet GoatNov 15 17:09
DaemonFCHer Bush wins awards legitimatelyNov 15 17:09
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 17:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] This Steve Job's piece from the BBC world service is is in two parts, switching channel.Nov 15 17:11
DaemonFCAwardsNov 15 17:13
DaemonFC2007 AVN Award for Best Three-Way Sex Scene – Fuck Slaves (with Sandra Romain and Manuel Ferrara)[16]Nov 15 17:13
DaemonFC2007 AVN Award for Best Group Sex Scene (Video) – Fashionistas Safado: The Challenge[16]Nov 15 17:13
DaemonFC2007 XRCO Award for Best New Starlet[76]Nov 15 17:13
DaemonFC2007 Adultcon Top 20 Adult Actresses[77]Nov 15 17:13
DaemonFC2008 AVN Award for Best Oral Sex Scene, Video – Babysitters[78]Nov 15 17:13
DaemonFC2008 AVN Award for Female Performer of the Year[78]Nov 15 17:13
DaemonFC2008 XRCO Award for Female Performer of the Year[79]Nov 15 17:13
DaemonFC2009 XRCO Award for Mainstream Adult Favorite[80]Nov 15 17:13
DaemonFC2009 Genesis Number One Pornstar of The Year[81]Nov 15 17:13
DaemonFC2010 AVN Award for Best Anal Sex Scene – Anal Cavity Search 6[82]Nov 15 17:13
DaemonFC2010 AVN Award for Best Oral Sex Scene – Throat: A Cautionary Tale[82]Nov 15 17:13
DaemonFC2010 AVN Award for The Jenna Jameson Crossover Star of the Year[82]Nov 15 17:13
DaemonFC2010 XBIZ Award for Crossover Star of the Year[83]Nov 15 17:13
DaemonFC2010 XRCO Award for Mainstream Adult Media Favorite[84]Nov 15 17:13
DaemonFC2010 F.A.M.E. Award – Favorite Oral Starlet[85]Nov 15 17:13
DaemonFC2011 Teaching First Graders To ReadNov 15 17:13
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 17:13
MinceRoh noes, her presence must have corrupted the poor childrenNov 15 17:16
MinceRquick, call for a child-fucking priest to cleanse their soulsNov 15 17:16
DaemonFCI am amusedNov 15 17:17
MinceRcast out the demon of proximity to a porn actressNov 15 17:17
MinceR:>Nov 15 17:17
DaemonFCIt's OK child, I'll forgive myself when we're doneNov 15 17:18
DaemonFCneither of us are going to get in any trouble Nov 15 17:18
DaemonFC:DNov 15 17:18
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MinceR:>Nov 15 17:25
MinceRjust let me get the Aspergillum of Holy PurityNov 15 17:26
MinceRand you bend overNov 15 17:26
schestowitzLike it's a slace of prayerNov 15 17:35
koolhead17hi allNov 15 17:36
schestowitzhey keNov 15 17:36
koolhead17wassup?Nov 15 17:36
schestowitzgoiny soonNov 15 17:47
schestowitzdisapoa talkNov 15 17:47
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Nov-11 16:55:58 UTC - Links – Anti-Trust and US Parasite Laws. #techrightsNov 15 17:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @LizzyM_TO Byron Sonne's Statement of Facts PDF: << Thanks! !FreeByron #g20reportNov 15 17:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Testing, 1, 3, 2.Nov 15 17:58
TechrightsBot-trNot a web page! Aborting application/pdf typeNov 15 17:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] @evan roger! :DNov 15 17:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I think we had some jamups in the queue server; I think it's fixed now.Nov 15 17:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Global crackdown on #Occupy? Mayor admits conf call with 18 other cities #owsNov 15 18:01
TechrightsBot-tr@: Nov 15 18:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Yes, we had a problem with our queue server. Not sure what it was, but the process was pegged.Nov 15 18:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] !drwho film being planned. I hope it is not as bad as the last car chase one in the USA or recent series of Torchwood. 15 18:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Recent study shows a majority of US internet users oppose #SOPA-style #blacklist of websites - 15 18:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Yeah, I think our queue server just wasn't distributing notices correctly.Nov 15 18:04
TechrightsBot-trTitle: The Copy Culture Survey: Infringement and Enforcement in the US | Media Piracy in Emerging Economies | A Report by the Social Science Research Council .::. Size~: 41.84 KBNov 15 18:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @digiphile MPAA & @USChamber aligned vs Internet companies on #SOPA: Sound familiar? !CDNpoliNov 15 18:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Kernel prepatch 3.2-rc2 15 18:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @eff Recent study shows a majority of US internet users oppose #SOPA-style #blacklist of websites - 15 18:06
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] "W3Conf Live Video Stream" So cool. #w3c #web #dev #confNov 15 18:08
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Nov-11 17:49:13 UTC - Links 15/11/2011: Linux still Rules HPC #techrightsNov 15 18:08
schestowitzhmmm...Nov 15 18:08
schestowitzfelll asleepNov 15 18:08
schestowitznap..Nov 15 18:08
schestowitzbetter now than later thoughNov 15 18:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #techrights log #boycottnovell log #boycottnovell-social log #techbytes log Enter the IRC channels nowNov 15 18:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] RT @ #techrights log #boycottnovell log #boycottnovell-social log #techbytes log Enter the IRC channels nowNov 15 18:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] See two up I said not you.Nov 15 18:18
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schestowitzHey, gordonNov 15 18:19
XFaCEschestowitz: who?Nov 15 18:19
schestowitzgoh-DONNov 15 18:20
XFaCEschestowitz: J/KNov 15 18:20
XFaCEschestowitz: I assume you were talking to meNov 15 18:20
schestowitznoNov 15 18:20
schestowitzto goh-donNov 15 18:20
XFaCEand that isNov 15 18:20
XFaCE...Nov 15 18:20
schestowitza British nameNov 15 18:21
XFaCE*and this is...Nov 15 18:21
schestowitzsilent r :-)Nov 15 18:21
XFaCEerr I knowNov 15 18:21
XFaCEbut which user here, besides thistleweb, is gordon?Nov 15 18:21
XFaCEor did thistleweb just leave when you sent that?Nov 15 18:22
schestowitznoNov 15 18:22
schestowitzRupert Fox cameNov 15 18:22
XFaCElol, seriously though, who were you talking to?Nov 15 18:22
schestowitzYou sound like you're lookin for a fightNov 15 18:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Get a #GNOME 2-like menu with Classicmenu Indicator in Ubuntu 11.10 15 18:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Kubuntu 12.04 LTS and #Lubuntu 12.04 Highlights #ubuntuNov 15 18:23
schestowitzI'll elopeNov 15 18:23
XFaCEschestowitz: nope, just trying to figure out who's whoNov 15 18:23
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schestowitzTHe WHOS?Nov 15 18:24
XFaCENo, I'm not talking about my generation.Nov 15 18:24
schestowitz!google bizkit generationNov 15 18:25
TechrightsBot-tr[1] - Limp Bizkit - My Generation - YouTube | 15 18:25
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TechrightsBot-tr[3] - LIMP BIZKIT LYRICS - My Generation | 15 18:25
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XFaCEOr maybe I am, depending on who "gordon" isNov 15 18:25
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XFaCE_that was annoinhNov 15 18:28
XFaCE_annoyingNov 15 18:28
XFaCE_schestowitz: You rather disconnect my wireless connection then tell me who "Gordon" is? Bah!Nov 15 18:29
XFaCE_:)Nov 15 18:29
schestowitzWho's Gordon?Nov 15 18:30
schestowitzI said Goh-donNov 15 18:30
schestowitzSeriously nowNov 15 18:30
DaemonFC"· Possible switch to the LightDM login manager;"Nov 15 18:30
schestowitzI was pulling your legNov 15 18:30
DaemonFCoh please noNov 15 18:30
schestowitzI need to go soon anywayNov 15 18:30
schestowitzDaemonFC: yeahNov 15 18:30
schestowitzold newsNov 15 18:30
XFaCE_13:18 <schestowitz> Hey, gordonNov 15 18:30
DaemonFC"Kubuntu Active for tables"Nov 15 18:30
schestowitzThey have to be uniqueNov 15 18:30
DaemonFCWill Microsoft allow you to install it on their table?Nov 15 18:30
XFaCE_DaemonFC: SLim FTWNov 15 18:30
schestowitzTo sppeal to weirdoes (sarcasm)Nov 15 18:30
DaemonFCLightDM is really badNov 15 18:31
DaemonFCthey already broke XFCE with itNov 15 18:31
DaemonFCstay off my lawn!Nov 15 18:31
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 18:31
XFaCE_Is LightDM the LXDE DM, or that new Ubuntu one?Nov 15 18:32
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DaemonFCnoNov 15 18:32
DaemonFCLXDM is the official LXDE X display managerNov 15 18:32
DaemonFCGDM for GNOME and KDM for KDE of courseNov 15 18:32
DaemonFCXFCE doesn't have one, but the "done thing" is to use GDM which works well with itNov 15 18:33
XFaCEExcept it belches a bunch of GNOME crapNov 15 18:33
DaemonFCXubuntu switched over to LightDM and now there are no themes, no respect for your power management settingsNov 15 18:33
DaemonFCand they broke automatic loginsNov 15 18:33
XFaCEYeah, that's was my second thoughNov 15 18:33
XFaCEtNov 15 18:33
DaemonFCas if looking like you were logging in to Windows NT 4 wasn't bad enoughNov 15 18:33
XFaCESo it is the new Ubuntu oneNov 15 18:33
XFaCEDaemonFC: I applaud the decision not to use GDM, but there are better choices.Nov 15 18:34
DaemonFCI don't buy the argument that it's OK to saddle users with broken crap because next year it might do what they expect of itNov 15 18:34
DaemonFCthis isn't even beta qualityNov 15 18:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] RT @sfslim Sick. But sadly unsurprising. #OWS RT @agpublic: New Yorkers: this is the true face of your police: 15 18:34
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XFaCEDaemonFC: Have Microsoft managers infiltrated Canonical?Nov 15 18:34
XFaCE;)Nov 15 18:35
DaemonFCI don't know, probablyNov 15 18:35
DaemonFCI hate LightDMNov 15 18:35
DaemonFCthe only thing it sort of works with is UnityNov 15 18:35
DaemonFCwhich is not surprisingNov 15 18:35
XFaCEDaemonFC: IndeedNov 15 18:35
DaemonFCit's the only desktop environment they bothered to put any LightDM integration effort intoNov 15 18:35
XFaCEDaemonFC: You should try LXDM or SLiM insteadNov 15 18:35
DaemonFCI should do no such damned thingNov 15 18:36
XFaCEI remember talk about switching to LXDM for Fedora 16 XFCE, but I haven't seen this yetNov 15 18:36
DaemonFCand they should leave my functional KDM the hell aloneNov 15 18:36
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 18:36
XFaCEDaemonFC: If you were using XFCE, obv.Nov 15 18:36
DaemonFCI wonder what they plan on doing to integrate LightDM into KDENov 15 18:36
XFaCE"no such damned thing", what are you Picard?Nov 15 18:36
DaemonFCor if they just plan to ship it broken there toNov 15 18:37
DaemonFCto save half a megabyte at the cost of breaking everything log in relatedNov 15 18:37
XFaCEDaemonFC: Have you tried LXDM?Nov 15 18:37
DaemonFC 15 18:38
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DaemonFCI may have to reuse this if they ship LightDM in KubuntuNov 15 18:38
XFaCEDaemonFC: I don't think they willNov 15 18:38
XFaCEWhy not just use no DM at all?Nov 15 18:39
DaemonFCthey shouldn't, doesn't mean that has ever stopped them beforeNov 15 18:39
XFaCELog in through the command line, old school!Nov 15 18:39
DaemonFCjust ship a broken display managerNov 15 18:39
DaemonFCignore the fully functional one shipped by upstream Nov 15 18:39
DaemonFCwhich is already 100% integratedNov 15 18:39
DaemonFCit saves half a megabyte which we can use for more pointless crap in the default setupNov 15 18:40
DaemonFCyay crapNov 15 18:40
XFaCEDaemonFC: GDM is bloated thoughNov 15 18:40
DaemonFCoh nonsenseNov 15 18:40
DaemonFCMatthew Garrett already went over why LightDM is pointlessNov 15 18:40
XFaCEDaemonFC: Not saying this justifies LightDMNov 15 18:40
DaemonFCand why GDM is the size it isNov 15 18:40
DaemonFCand the only thing of "bloat" in there is a few lines to implement a clockNov 15 18:40
XFaCEGDM also requires GNOME libs, Do no wantNov 15 18:41
DaemonFCunless you count a few lines of commenting that credit GNOME in part to the Queen of EnglandNov 15 18:41
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 18:41
XFaCEDaemonFC: Last time I checked though, there is other DMs other than LightNov 15 18:41
XFaCEHmmNov 15 18:41
XFaCESLiM, XDM, LXDM, WDM, No DMNov 15 18:41
DaemonFCthey ship those libraries anyway!Nov 15 18:41
DaemonFCwhat did they save exactly?Nov 15 18:42
XFaCESpeedNov 15 18:42
DaemonFCit makes me want to go back to startxNov 15 18:42
XFaCEXFCE works best without GNOME libsNov 15 18:42
DaemonFCLightDM is truly awfulNov 15 18:42
XFaCEYes, "No DM"Nov 15 18:42
DaemonFCit has undone every last bit of progress made in X display managers in 10 yearsNov 15 18:42
XFaCEDaemonFC: Ok, if they used SLiM, I think that would be greatNov 15 18:43
DaemonFCI don't see why you can't use LXDM in XFCENov 15 18:43
DaemonFCthere's no reason you can'tNov 15 18:43
DaemonFCLightDM even has a webkit dependencyNov 15 18:43
DaemonFCwant to talk bloat?Nov 15 18:43
DaemonFClets make the DM need a web browser engineNov 15 18:43
XFaCEAgain, I'm not in favour of light dmNov 15 18:43
XFaCEStop approaching this like I amNov 15 18:44
XFaCE-_-Nov 15 18:44
DaemonFCsolving a problem shouldn't involve introducing more problemsNov 15 18:44
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 18:44
XFaCEI agreeNov 15 18:44
XFaCE...Nov 15 18:44
DaemonFCbut that's frequently the way Canonical does thingsNov 15 18:44
DaemonFCthey tried to graft Indicators onto KDENov 15 18:44
XFaCEHence why I have no current desire to run a 'buntuNov 15 18:44
DaemonFCwhich don't even work at all nowNov 15 18:44
DaemonFCor betterNov 15 18:45
DaemonFCkind of work and trap Kopete in the indicator applet so you have to use killall kopete to stop itNov 15 18:45
DaemonFCthankfully the widget, while broken and incredibly annoying even when it is working as intended, is easily disabledNov 15 18:45
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 18:45
XFaCEDaemonFC: Since you don't use 'buntu, why are you so riled up?Nov 15 18:45
DaemonFCI do :|Nov 15 18:45
XFaCEOk... don't.Nov 15 18:46
DaemonFCok, I'll go use something else where they find ways to piss me off Nov 15 18:46
DaemonFC:DNov 15 18:46
DaemonFCthey all do itNov 15 18:46
DaemonFCI surrenderNov 15 18:46
XFaCEUse Debian or ArchNov 15 18:46
XFaCEBe excellent to each otherNov 15 18:46
DaemonFCI didn't think Windows Vista's GUI could get worse, until I tried to sit down and use Windows 7Nov 15 18:47
DaemonFCwho designs GUIs anyway?Nov 15 18:47
DaemonFCdoes anyone that design them actually sit and use them?Nov 15 18:47
XFaCEDaemonFC: Wow, you've gone astrayNov 15 18:47
DaemonFCif so, how?Nov 15 18:47
DaemonFCno, I mean, there's this thing called "end user experience"Nov 15 18:48
XFaCESo all GNU/Linux distros have problems in your mindNov 15 18:48
DaemonFC'where you try not to ship broken software and GUIs that don't make sense, and alpha quality code that doesn't do most of what it should when what was there before already workedNov 15 18:48
XFaCESo they aren't perfectly accomodating to youNov 15 18:48
DaemonFCI'd call what most GUI designers do weird or pointlessNov 15 18:49
DaemonFCI think they do them this way so they can sell books that are several hundred pages long on how to use their messed up GUINov 15 18:49
XFaCEFair enough, that's why I like XFCE, simple, cleanNov 15 18:49
XFaCEsome problems, but not so much due to questionable usability decisionsNov 15 18:50
DaemonFCit went from guides like using DOS, which were maybe 50 pages, to using Windows 3.1 which is a hundred or so, to using Windows 7, where they have a whole chapter on the start menuNov 15 18:51
DaemonFCand free software isn't doing a lot better latelyNov 15 18:51
DaemonFCexcept XFCE and LXDENov 15 18:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] The FORCE ! 15 18:51
XFaCEDaemonFC: Well, I think that's because of the noobishness of the users increasing over timeNov 15 18:51
DaemonFCI think maybe the better software tends to be the stuff that has the least resourcesNov 15 18:51
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DaemonFCthey can't afford to rewrite it every weekNov 15 18:51
DaemonFCor add nonsenseNov 15 18:51
XFaCEBack in the days of DOS, the computer users tended to be more advancedNov 15 18:51
DaemonFCor things that outweigh their importanceNov 15 18:52
XFaCELXDE is annoyingNov 15 18:52
DaemonFCthe only thing I really hate about LXDE is that is uses OpenBoxNov 15 18:52
DaemonFCwhich I don't likeNov 15 18:52
XFaCEOpenBox is Canadian, so I must kick your ass.Nov 15 18:53
DaemonFCI know you "can" change it, but it has configuration stuff all over which is clearly designed on the assumption you use OpenBoxNov 15 18:53
DaemonFCthere's no excuse not to do compositing of some kindNov 15 18:53
DaemonFCeven if it's only through XrenderNov 15 18:53
XFaCEwhich you can add yourself, duhNov 15 18:54
DaemonFCtreating the entire desktop as a framebuffer is like something out of 1995Nov 15 18:54
DaemonFCit's not just about eye candyNov 15 18:54
DaemonFCstacking window managers are less reliableNov 15 18:54
XFaCEuh huh, and the main website explains how to fix thisNov 15 18:54
XFaCEmakes senseNov 15 18:55
DaemonFCif one application stops updating its window, it can cause the whole desktop to start doing weird thingsNov 15 18:55
DaemonFCor freeze entirelyNov 15 18:55
DaemonFCyou don't get that with compositors Nov 15 18:55
XFaCEand as I have said, adding compositing to OpenBox is straightforwardNov 15 18:56
XFaCEJust like adding it to Fluxbox or blackbox or JWM or IceWMNov 15 18:56
DaemonFCyeah, if you feel like fucking with xcompmgrNov 15 18:57
DaemonFCI don'tNov 15 18:57
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 18:57
DaemonFCread the manpageNov 15 18:57
DaemonFCI think you'll agreeNov 15 18:57
XFaCEThe Arch page suggests the Cairo Comp insteadNov 15 18:57
XFaCExcompmgr is unmaintainedNov 15 18:58
DaemonFCit's not unmaintainedNov 15 18:58
DaemonFCit's just barely maintained Nov 15 18:58
DaemonFCit was never meant to be anything more than an example of how you could use Xrender to enable compositing Nov 15 18:58
DaemonFCas such it is basic and difficult to configure rightNov 15 18:58
XFaCEWhich is why they probably dont' recommend it anymoreNov 15 18:59
DaemonFCyou can use xcompmgr to enable desktop compositingNov 15 18:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] A million EU album downloads for Adele, but why has this iTunes first taken so long? - good questionNov 15 18:59
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DaemonFCyou can use Dillo to browse the webNov 15 18:59
DaemonFCI hear it's quite small :)Nov 15 19:00
XFaCEIf you are using a Pentium without mmx, you don't have very much choiceNov 15 19:00
XFaCEDaemonFC: 15 19:01
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Anti-Hacking Law Criminalizes Most Computer Users, Former Prosecutor Says - they just don't think this stuff through...Nov 15 19:01
DaemonFCif you're using a Pentium without MMX, are you also using your 14.4K modem to connect to the internet?Nov 15 19:01
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 19:01
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XFaCEgood pointNov 15 19:01
XFaCEstillNov 15 19:01
XFaCEMany older computers can't handle compositingNov 15 19:01
XFaCEand it can be added to OpenBox for newer computers, which are in the majorityNov 15 19:02
XFaCEopt-in rather than opt-outNov 15 19:02
DaemonFCnahNov 15 19:02
XFaCEyeahNov 15 19:02
DaemonFCr100 radeons from 2000 can use xrender for compositingNov 15 19:03
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Ericsson Eyes Sales From Mobile Industry’s Top Patents Trove - pushes its way to the patent troughNov 15 19:03
XFaCEFluxbox doesn't have compositing either, it sucks too then?Nov 15 19:03
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DaemonFCand do so at an acceptable speedNov 15 19:03
XFaCECairo Compmgr works well, easy to configureNov 15 19:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Pirate Party Gains Another Seat In EU - hooray: @teirdes is a real gain for the EU parliamentNov 15 19:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Google, Facebook, Twitter, AOL, eBay, Yahoo, Mozilla, LinkedIn, & Zynga tell Congress: oppose #blacklist bill! [pdf]Nov 15 19:04
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XFaCEDaemonFC: CheckmateNov 15 19:05
XFaCE(the weakest way to "win" a conversation)Nov 15 19:06
XFaCElolNov 15 19:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Hacks and hackers gather to write the first Data Journalism Handbook - nice #opencontent #datajournalismNov 15 19:06
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XFaCEDaemonFC: I do agree though that LightDM blowsNov 15 19:06
XFaCECould have done so many other thingsNov 15 19:07
XFaCEDaemonFC: Ubuntu projects seem to be a do-first, think-later prospectNov 15 19:08
XFaCEof lateNov 15 19:08
XFaCEI just noticed that ender_2070 is lurking here, like a centipede in the basement.Nov 15 19:12
XFaCEbblNov 15 19:13
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ender_2070lolNov 15 19:13
ender_2070daemonfc - I see your arguments over openboxNov 15 19:14
ender_2070daemonfc - I simply cannot use a desktop that doesn't automount my usb hard drivesNov 15 19:14
DaemonFCsorry, I was busy killing enemy tanksNov 15 19:20
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 19:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] RT @wlpress: US Ambassador: Outside observers agree Sri Lanka could have finished off LTTE more quickly. #WikiLeaks #Cablegate http:// ...Nov 15 19:21
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] In post-Mubarak Egypt, free expression is still under threat. 15 19:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Barnes & Noble Blows The Lid Off Microsoft's Android Patent Squeeze (Network World): 15 19:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] God help us... the revolution runs on Windows! - why Occupy LSX is doomed...#cluelessNov 15 19:23
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is with 122 dents!Nov 15 19:23
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DaemonFCyou can patent "displaying a loading icon in browser address bar"?Nov 15 19:40
DaemonFCdamnNov 15 19:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] DOJ: Violating a Site's ToS Is a Crime - Slashdot - #usa #policestate #internet 15 19:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Barnes & Noble Names #Microsoft's Disputed #Android #Patents - Slashdot - #floss #dirtytricks #fud 15 19:51
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Russia's MiG Aircraft Company develops 3D flight simulator for the MiG-29 Jet Fighter - #aeronautics #scitek 15 19:58
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Security updates for Tuesday 15 19:58
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] W3C privacy workgroup issues first draft of Do Not Track standard (ars technica) 15 20:36
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Flexible brain implant could treat epilepsy by Jesse Emspak !scienceNov 15 20:39
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schestowitzniceNov 15 20:41
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Gartner shows iOS lost smartphone share to !Android in Q3 2011 /by @Zionministries 15 20:41
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schestowitz Just returned from a manchester meeting about diaspora and it was very pleasant. Nice people too!Nov 15 20:42
schestowitzWe are planning to get some server space and perhaps set up nodes here in Manchester for many people to useNov 15 20:43
schestowitzOn the way there I was running the radio on the mobile while typing down a text with animation and stuff, so the phone went unstable and then reset itself. This Alcatel phone was not smart enough to save the message I was writingNov 15 20:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Get a #GNOME 2-like menu with Classicmenu Indicator in Ubuntu 11.10 15 20:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links – Anti-Trust and US Parasite Laws. #techrightsNov 15 20:44
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schestowitz"This post has appeared in my stream five times. " 15 20:54
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schestowitz"Yeah... join the not-so-elite club Brian ;) "Nov 15 20:54
schestowitz"It was intended as a poke for him to delete the rest. :P "Nov 15 20:55
DaemonFCthe truly stupid thing about the "Carbon Tax" "debate" (There isn't much of one in Indiana, but it comes up sometimes) is that it assumes people do stupid things to waste electricity at 8 cents per kilowatt hour (where it is now)Nov 15 20:55
DaemonFClike that makes it free just because it's not as expensive as business interests would like to make it with the carbon tax money laundering scam of theirsNov 15 20:55
DaemonFCit punishes the poor fro cooking their food and heating their homeNov 15 20:56
schestowitz"The diaspora server went up and down. Every click on the button was posting dupes. Sorry about that. I couldn't see that."Nov 15 20:57
DaemonFCwhile people like my grandmother who takes out mortgages to buy gaudy trinkets and for the accumulation of things are expected to just turn the heat below 100 degrees and I don't know, suddenly stop leaving the front door open while they do itNov 15 20:57
DaemonFCthey people who are going to waste are going to waste Nov 15 20:58
DaemonFCthey're living on public pension systems, union retirement money, and loans to leave their kids anywayNov 15 20:58
DaemonFCyou know who I mean,Nov 15 20:58
DaemonFCold peopleNov 15 20:58
DaemonFCthey need a V8 engine to go 10 miles an hour with their blinker onNov 15 20:58
DaemonFCand set the thermostat to 100 degreesNov 15 20:59
DaemonFCthat whole generation is used to having shit handed to them on a platterNov 15 20:59
DaemonFCthen they want to double my energy bill for cooking food and heating my home to a reasonable temperatureNov 15 21:00
MinceRsee, there's a part of the problemNov 15 21:00
DaemonFCsomewhere between surface of the sun, and oh look, my arm just fell off and shattered on the floorNov 15 21:00
DaemonFCyou know? reasonable?Nov 15 21:00
DaemonFCthese people know they don't have long to live and the mess they leave will be their children and grandchildrens problem anywayNov 15 21:02
DaemonFCthey don't give a fuckNov 15 21:02
DaemonFCmy grandmother will just her heat up to 100 and leave the door open and pay the bill with mortgage moneyNov 15 21:03
MinceRyou don't seem to give much of a fuck eitherNov 15 21:03
DaemonFCwhy should I?Nov 15 21:03
DaemonFCit's the people who are responsible that are getting screwedNov 15 21:03
MinceRi rest my caseNov 15 21:03
DaemonFCfor the sake of people like thatNov 15 21:03
DaemonFCraise her fucking energy billNov 15 21:03
DaemonFCleave mine alone until I set the heat at 100 and open the doors and windowsNov 15 21:04
DaemonFCMinceR: The only people building wind farms tend to be the oil companiesNov 15 21:04
DaemonFC1. It helps them greenwashNov 15 21:05
DaemonFC2. When the subsidies and tax credits are over, they sell them to the government at profitNov 15 21:05
DaemonFCand taxpayers get to float all of the waste and fraud in the name of "clean energy"Nov 15 21:05
DaemonFCwhat little, if any, comes from these projects at allNov 15 21:05
DaemonFCsome of them get their tax credits and then shut the entire wind farm downNov 15 21:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The Private and Social Costs of Patent Trolls - Study Implies "Reduced Innovation Incentives" 15 21:16
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Commodor OS Vision, a Linux distro for Commodore hardware (old and new) 15 21:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #RedHat reveals that RHEL 6.2 will support AMD's Bulldozer power saving features #gnu #linuxNov 15 21:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Few hours left to buy tickets for EFF's 20th Pioneer Awards Ceremony. Otherwise see you at the door. 15 21:28
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] This is beyond stupid; it's dangerous 15 21:29
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The Coming Fascist Internet inevitable or avoidable? #internetNov 15 21:33
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] We know some of the best data center managers and know you do, too. Nominate the best in AFCOM's annual award: 15 21:38
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #ArchBang 2011 Review #GNU #LinuxNov 15 21:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Google Programming Language is Go for 2012 launch 15 21:43
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] .@AchieveInc & @iskme announce new tool for users to rate quality of OER for teaching & student learning in OER Commons 15 22:03
schestowitz"rewinding! ' 15 22:03
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I still think Apple are starting to make too many enemies, no matter how untouchable they might feel 15 22:04
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schestowitzBlech!Nov 15 22:07
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schestowitzRemember eyeOS?Nov 15 22:07
schestowitzAnd all that jazz around 2008?Nov 15 22:07
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DaemonFC"- X.Org Server 1.11 support! This means the recently-released Fedora 17 should now work."Nov 15 22:13
DaemonFCFedora 17 was recently released?Nov 15 22:13
DaemonFCDoes it have Butter FS?Nov 15 22:13
DaemonFCand Bacon?Nov 15 22:13
DaemonFC:DNov 15 22:13
DaemonFCthe Catalyst bundle gained over 20 MB this monthNov 15 22:15
DaemonFCprobably due to the OpenCL stuffNov 15 22:16
MinceRgnNov 15 22:28
schestowitzIt's getting chubby... like MS CEONov 15 22:30
schestowitzUnlike Apple's former CEONov 15 22:30
DaemonFCSetting up fglrx (2:8.911-0ubuntu1) ...Nov 15 22:30
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 22:30
MinceRthe world's thinnest, lightest ceo?Nov 15 22:31
DaemonFCyeah, but when Ballmer gains weight he doesn't come with OpenCLNov 15 22:31
DaemonFCso Catalyst winsNov 15 22:31
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @ravenman: Ilya Zhitomirskiy Online Tribute and Memorial Website Share this tribute. !diasporaNov 15 22:31
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 22:31
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schestowitzEven though it got a lot of linksNov 15 22:32
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schestowitzThey don't use euphemismsNov 15 22:35
schestowitzLike "pass away"Nov 15 22:35
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DaemonFCOpenGL version string: 4.1.11251 Compatibility Profile ContextNov 15 22:37
DaemonFClets see what Bloatzilla Bloated Bloat: Lunix Edition does this monthNov 15 22:38
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 22:38
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DaemonFCoh wowNov 15 22:39
DaemonFCI works, kind ofNov 15 22:39
DaemonFCnow it's only the Firefox menus that are messed upNov 15 22:40
DaemonFCthe pages are legible Nov 15 22:40
DaemonFCprogress!Nov 15 22:40
DaemonFCnow if you just want to guess where the menu items are and where to type in urls and searches, it's just like OperaNov 15 22:41
DaemonFConly brokenNov 15 22:41
DaemonFC:(Nov 15 22:41
FaitherlolNov 15 22:41
Faitherwhat did you try to do?Nov 15 22:41
DaemonFCturned OpenGL on in FirefoxNov 15 22:42
DaemonFCwatch it go insane and eventually crash or swell up to several GB in memoryNov 15 22:42
schestowitzBlack Duck got placement at ECT 15 22:42
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DaemonFCdepending on the driverNov 15 22:42
DaemonFCsame time next monthNov 15 22:42
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 22:42
Faither^^Nov 15 22:42
DaemonFCOpera 12 works beautifully with full hardware accelerationNov 15 22:42
schestowitz"Once senior management becomes aware and accepts the fact that OSS plays a crucial role in the development process, the next logical step is to develop policies for usage, licensing, monitoring, reporting"Nov 15 22:42
schestowitzTranslation: buy our proprietary software with patent monopolies on itNov 15 22:43
DaemonFCOpera/9.80 (X11; Linux x86_64; U; Edition Next; en) Presto/2.10.229 Version/12.00Nov 15 22:43
DaemonFCVega backendNov 15 22:43
DaemonFCOpenGL Nov 15 22:43
DaemonFCOpenGLNov 15 22:43
DaemonFCBlocklist versionNov 15 22:43
DaemonFC1 Nov 15 22:43
DaemonFCBlocklist status for 2DNov 15 22:43
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DaemonFCBlocklist status for 3DNov 15 22:43
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DaemonFCGL_VENDORNov 15 22:43
DaemonFCATI Technologies Inc. Nov 15 22:43
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DaemonFCATI Radeon HD 5670 Nov 15 22:43
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DaemonFC4.1.11251 Compatibility Profile ContextNov 15 22:43
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 22:43
DaemonFCFirefox needs a rebootNov 15 22:44
DaemonFC:PNov 15 22:44
DaemonFCnot the application, the people developing it need to goNov 15 22:44
DaemonFCsomewhere elseNov 15 22:44
DaemonFCand be replaced by those who know what they're doingNov 15 22:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: congrats to @euHVR who has now overtaken me to become the most Twitter-followed in EU in 15 22:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: @euHvR you're now most followed from EU institutions on Twitter! Congrats, you beat me b 15 22:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: Congratulations Adele! Imagine how much more with a digital single market... 15 22:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: Norwegian Minister calls for European ICT co-operation. [Nor]; http 15 22:44
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Faither3123 ssh login attempts in 20 minutes  xDNov 15 22:45
Faitherwas playing around with my firewall and deactivated fail2ban xDNov 15 22:45
DaemonFCMozilla seems to be a lot like Eucalyptus Nov 15 22:46
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schestowitz"I guess that artificial languages will be a basic skill in the future, like a natural foreign #language. Those without #programming #skills may find themselves illiterate. If this is right, the cost of wasting time not using a computing device and/or learning computing skills by using paper+blackboard will be high. The problem is that traditional #education is frequently misplacing teaching skills in space and time, ahead or lagging Nov 15 22:46
schestowitzstudent needs."Nov 15 22:46
DaemonFCclaims to be open source but rejects patches that make it work better because they don't quite jive with the Windows versionNov 15 22:46
schestowitzstudents needs to learn methods. Later on they can specialise accordingly.Nov 15 22:46
schestowitz"I believe that Bulldozer needs support in the performance area, from what I hear. " 15 22:47
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schestowitzFaither: fail2ban for crackers with many IPs?Nov 15 22:48
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schestowitzbetter to use a veyr strng passowrdNov 15 22:48
schestowitzExcept the typos ;-)Nov 15 22:48
Faitherschestowitz: 3123 login attempts from 15 22:48
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schestowitzWaste of CPUNov 15 22:49
schestowitzDo what the US would doNov 15 22:49
schestowitzSend a drone outNov 15 22:49
schestowitz!google bomb em networkworld ddosNov 15 22:49
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schestowitzsee [3]Nov 15 22:49
FaitherSome French guy running debian xDNov 15 22:49
schestowitzmaybe cracked hostNov 15 22:50
FaithermaybeNov 15 22:50
Faitheror proxyNov 15 22:50
schestowitzFrance plotting to invvade Germany...Nov 15 22:50
FaitherxDNov 15 22:50
schestowitzand then PolandNov 15 22:50
schestowitzI remember UK rogue IPsNov 15 22:51
schestowitzTurned out it was hijacked IPsNov 15 22:51
schestowitzThey are of good use for evading blacklistsNov 15 22:51
schestowitzAnd the UK has many wintendo boxen to be hijackedNov 15 22:51
Faither^^Nov 15 22:52
schestowitzsrly thoNov 15 22:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] That would be good, unfortunately it hasn't happened yet. Too much to do, too little timeNov 15 22:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Protesters at London student rally capture police "snatch squad" on video 15 22:58
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DaemonFCI use lots of UAVs in my gameNov 15 22:58
DaemonFCthey are a valuable asset Nov 15 22:58
DaemonFCRead: they move fast and most vehicles can't hit themNov 15 22:58
DaemonFC:DNov 15 22:58
DaemonFCthere's no such thing as cheating in warNov 15 22:59
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schestowitz "It was a fun event. Great to meet you and everyone else. The pub was good too :-)"Nov 15 23:06
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schestowitzLOL 15 23:12
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FaitherThe certificate expired on 15.11.2011 22:51. The current time is 16.11.2011 00:14.Nov 15 23:16
cubezzzbeen reading about Edward Abbey latelyNov 15 23:17
cubezzzinteresting stuffNov 15 23:17
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_Goblin:)Nov 15 23:20
_Goblinschestowitz: Hi mate.... I take it the email was ok?  I did offer direct contact if required....Nov 15 23:21
schestowitzYeah :-)Nov 15 23:22
schestowitzThanks, I told you last weekNov 15 23:22
schestowitzMaybe it was lost in the IRC noiseNov 15 23:22
_GoblinYeah you said it was recieved...Nov 15 23:22
schestowitzI saw kevie invited you to the showNov 15 23:22
_GoblinI can't remember if you said anything elseNov 15 23:22
_Goblinoh...Nov 15 23:22
_Goblinyeah....Nov 15 23:22
schestowitzw can cross promote with him, I love kevie and those peopleNov 15 23:22
schestowitzBTWNov 15 23:22
_GoblinIts been a pretty mad two weeks.....Nov 15 23:22
schestowitzI gather you've not been online much recentlyNov 15 23:23
schestowitzyeahNov 15 23:23
schestowitzyou beat me to itNov 15 23:23
_Goblinnot as much as I'd have liked tooNov 15 23:23
_Goblinall sorts going on...Nov 15 23:23
_Goblinrun up to xmas etcNov 15 23:23
schestowitzif you only come online at 23:23, it says a lot :-)Nov 15 23:23
schestowitzare the kids okay?Nov 15 23:23
_Goblinyeah.... I do try to come into the channel at least once a day even if its at a late hourNov 15 23:24
_Goblinyeah great thanks...Nov 15 23:24
_Goblinwe registered amy on fridayNov 15 23:24
schestowitz:-)Nov 15 23:24
_GoblinMiddle name elizabethNov 15 23:24
schestowitzID card yet? /mejokesNov 15 23:24
_Goblinlol....Nov 15 23:24
schestowitzelizabeth - i like the nameNov 15 23:24
schestowitzIIRC it was one option for given nameNov 15 23:24
_GoblinI thought they catelogued all children at birth by covert dna collectingNov 15 23:24
_Goblin;)Nov 15 23:24
schestowitzall children and neanderthalsNov 15 23:25
_GoblinlolNov 15 23:25
schestowitzand hive computersNov 15 23:25
schestowitzbrandon came backNov 15 23:25
_Goblinit was mark who made a valid point re that neanderthals theory.....Nov 15 23:25
_Goblindid he?Nov 15 23:25
schestowitzsomeone banned his ISPNov 15 23:25
schestowitzWhich blocked other canadiansNov 15 23:25
_Goblinah...that would have been me....oops...Nov 15 23:25
cubezzzwhich ISP?Nov 15 23:26
schestowitztrmanco was blockedNov 15 23:26
_Goblinnothing against Canadians....just ones who think everyones a mason and hairy men control the world undergroundNov 15 23:26
schestowitzI didn't even know... till he told me. I wonder how many got blocked and insultedNov 15 23:26
schestowitzcubezzz: can't rememberNov 15 23:26
schestowitzone which opeprates in toronto areaNov 15 23:26
schestowitzmany nationally tooNov 15 23:26
schestowitznot the big onesNov 15 23:26
_GoblinBlame Brandon's hairy people with large eyebrowsNov 15 23:26
schestowitzRogers/BellNov 15 23:26
cubezzzwell maybe it was rogers thenNov 15 23:27
schestowitznopeNov 15 23:27
schestowitzneither of those twoNov 15 23:27
cubezzzah, I seeNov 15 23:27
schestowitzbt owns plusnet iircNov 15 23:27
schestowitzsometimes the big companies own the small ones tooNov 15 23:27
cubezzzsorry, missed that line "not the big ones"Nov 15 23:27
schestowitzlike a controled opposition gameNov 15 23:27
schestowitzyou think you get the "anti"Nov 15 23:27
_Goblinroy, you say Brandon came back?Nov 15 23:27
cubezzzschestowitz, I advocate free-netsNov 15 23:27
schestowitzlike Coca Cola buying some companies that are supposedly the anti-ColaNov 15 23:27
schestowitz_Goblin: yeahNov 15 23:28
cubezzzwhich is really 3rd party DSL (wholesale from Bell)Nov 15 23:28
_Goblinhe seems to have left COLA....Nov 15 23:28
schestowitz_Goblin: no surpiseNov 15 23:28
schestowitzhe's like thatNov 15 23:28
schestowitzplaying friends, then stabs you in the back, ad infinitumNov 15 23:28
_GoblinI feel a little sorry for him....Nov 15 23:28
_Goblinbut I shouldn't......Nov 15 23:29
schestowitzdid he scare away all his twitter followers?Nov 15 23:29
_Goblinnot sure, haven't been checking his feeds....when he started talking hive mind computers my mind switched offNov 15 23:29
schestowitzsome peple choose alienation by their claims or their behaviour. THen they end up selling pencils from a plastic cupsNov 15 23:29
_Goblinwhat is a hive mind computer anyway?Nov 15 23:29
_Goblinwhat DE can you run on that?Nov 15 23:30
DaemonFC"Support for the HTML full-screen API was recently enabled in Firefox nightly builds. It allows Web applications to toggle the browser into full-screen mode and stretch a single page element so that it fills the user’s display."Nov 15 23:30
DaemonFCadvertisers will love itNov 15 23:30
cubezzzhoneycomb? :)Nov 15 23:30
_GoblinI hope MS doesn't hear about itNov 15 23:30
schestowitzcubezzz:: mehNov 15 23:30
_Goblinthey'll bring out their patent portfolioNov 15 23:30
schestowitzDaemonFC: truNov 15 23:30
cubezzzHive Mind Windows 9.0Nov 15 23:30
cubezzzit's coming, I can feel it :)Nov 15 23:30
_GoblinI don't think it will take over the world thenNov 15 23:30
_Goblinit will be too busy BSOD'ingNov 15 23:31
schestowitztaking over just on world?Nov 15 23:31
FaitherDaemonFC: lol yeah! - haen't seen ads on the web in ages though xDNov 15 23:31
schestowitzhow about a galaxy?Nov 15 23:31
schestowitzAnd what does taking over even mean?Nov 15 23:31
_Goblinall of reality?Nov 15 23:31
schestowitzFaither: ads don't see YOU!Nov 15 23:31
cubezzzI'm sure Gates would love that Nov 15 23:31
_Goblinonly if he can make a buck out of it,Nov 15 23:31
schestowitzhe said something to that effectNov 15 23:32
_Goblinget em sort of addictedNov 15 23:32
schestowitzso I heard... to a magazine in the 80s maybeNov 15 23:32
schestowitzTaking over the worldNov 15 23:32
cubezzzso are people breaking away from Microsoft now?Nov 15 23:32
DaemonFCthe user should be in control of what goes fullscreenNov 15 23:32
DaemonFCnot the web pageNov 15 23:32
_Goblin...Nov 15 23:32
schestowitzA dork with no ethics... trying to make up by TELLING people what to do and telling children what to thinkNov 15 23:32
schestowitzEgomaniacNov 15 23:33
cubezzzschestowitz, yeahNov 15 23:33
schestowitzself-promotional megalomaniacNov 15 23:33
_Goblinwe still dont seem to be any nearer to an answer of what a hive mind computer is though.....Nov 15 23:33
schestowitzand the PR campaigns blind people to itNov 15 23:33
_GoblinI'm still not sure its not all a joke......Nov 15 23:33
schestowitz_Goblin: hive computer with how many cores?Nov 15 23:33
DaemonFC 15 23:33
_Goblingod only knowsNov 15 23:33
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schestowitz_Goblin: maybe he was trolling with fictionNov 15 23:34
schestowitzSure way to get attention... just not the /type/ of attentiion one really needsNov 15 23:34
_Goblincould be.....Nov 15 23:34
cubezzzdid you see the new Commodore OS on distowatch?Nov 15 23:34
_GoblinI just can't understand how you go from Fedora ambassador to hairy people under the earth......Nov 15 23:34
DaemonFCI'm using Opera until someone open source does betterNov 15 23:35
_Goblinno.....been guilty of not visiting over the last 2 weeksNov 15 23:35
DaemonFCso it might be a whileNov 15 23:35
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DaemonFCI give upNov 15 23:35
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TechrightsBot-tr@Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Tuesday, 15-Nov-11 23:10:43 UTC - #W3C #privacy workgroup issues first draft of Do Not Track standard how many will obey though? #wwwNov 15 23:35
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schestowitz_Goblin: they're not so hairy... compared to gorillasNov 15 23:35
schestowitzthey're just.. fluffyNov 15 23:35
_Goblinthey have got bushy eyebrows thoughNov 15 23:35
DaemonFCschestowitz: Adobe openwashes a lot of thingsNov 15 23:35
_Goblinand thats currently the fashion (fuller eyebrows) maybe a sign the takeover has started?Nov 15 23:35
schestowitzDaemonFC: good, and yoy got two pistolsNov 15 23:35
DaemonFCeven Shockwave Flash crapNov 15 23:35
schestowitzend it nowNov 15 23:35
DaemonFCby releasing partial specificationsNov 15 23:36
schestowitz_Goblin: Rupe!Nov 15 23:36
_Goblinschestowitz: we'll have to set up a recording when I next hit my rest daysNov 15 23:36
_GoblinSunday (unless Im mistaken)Nov 15 23:36
schestowitzyeah, I can do almost any dayNov 15 23:36
cubezzzI think I have Adobe beatNov 15 23:36
schestowitztomorrow is busy for me thoughNov 15 23:37
cubezzzI can capture _any_ flash based video or audio nowNov 15 23:37
_Goblindon't know when I'll fit tuxjam in thoughNov 15 23:37
_GoblinI hope its a time I can manageNov 15 23:37
cubezzzlook at /proc/<process number/fd Nov 15 23:37
cubezzz/proc/<process number>/fdNov 15 23:37
_GoblinI need to speak with Gordon....havent chatted to him for a while....hope he's doing good....Nov 15 23:38
_Goblinhaven't even been able to keep up with his writing.....Nov 15 23:39
_Goblin:(Nov 15 23:39
schestowitz Turns out I'll meet my lecturer friend at MMU tomorrow at 9. I'll  drop my gym gear at the Midland, then meet meet him at the office, then  UKFast, then to the gym (can't take gym bag to interview). Busy day  after all... starting a charity, I'm helping him out with some technical stuff :-)Nov 15 23:39
schestowitz_Goblin: he's here in the cnannel sometimesNov 15 23:39
schestowitzall in good funNov 15 23:39
_Goblinyeah, I noticed.....Nov 15 23:39
_Goblinbut so often I'm off and on the PC I miss himNov 15 23:39
schestowitzOne listener took offenceNov 15 23:39
schestowitzin you saying "average users"Nov 15 23:40
_Goblinwhy?Nov 15 23:40
schestowitzsaying it's an insult to herNov 15 23:40
schestowitzit reinforces the notion of hteir innate inferiorityNov 15 23:40
_Goblinhow do you describe the mainstream non-tech interested user?Nov 15 23:40
schestowitzmaybe mainstreamNov 15 23:40
_GoblinTechnically Challenged?Nov 15 23:40
schestowitznoNov 15 23:40
_GoblinlolNov 15 23:40
_GoblinI jestNov 15 23:40
schestowitzbut average means non-uniqueNov 15 23:40
schestowitzso I think she took offenceNov 15 23:40
cubezzznon-technical?Nov 15 23:40
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_Goblinwell they are.... they are consumers are they not?Nov 15 23:40
_Goblinjust like I am an average user of cars.....Nov 15 23:41
schestowitz"people who spend less time with computers maybe"Nov 15 23:41
schestowitzI don't think I ever say "Average users"Nov 15 23:41
_GoblinI don't know or care about them, I just want want to work for me.Nov 15 23:41
schestowitzLike ranking themNov 15 23:41
DaemonFCnginx is kicking the crap out of Apache for the things it can doNov 15 23:41
schestowitzwant works for youNov 15 23:41
DaemonFCit's not as fully featured yetNov 15 23:41
cubezzznon-programmer?Nov 15 23:41
schestowitzwehether you want it or not :-)Nov 15 23:41
_Goblinso is that the first TB complaint?Nov 15 23:42
Faithertechnically challenged xDNov 15 23:42
schestowitzinformalNov 15 23:42
schestowitzlamerNov 15 23:42
schestowitzn00b Nov 15 23:42
schestowitzSTFUN00BerNov 15 23:42
cubezzzdozer? :)Nov 15 23:42
_Goblinwell I thought "average" was a polite way of describing the mainstream user.Nov 15 23:42
schestowitzlUserNov 15 23:43
_Goblinhow about the....Nov 15 23:43
_GoblinSheepleNov 15 23:43
cubezzzWake up Sheeple!Nov 15 23:43
schestowitzheheNov 15 23:43
schestowitzassociated with conpiracy theoristsNov 15 23:43
Faitherthe people who operate their computers like toastersNov 15 23:43
_GoblinyepNov 15 23:43
schestowitzThey use the word sheeple and ruined it by associationNov 15 23:43
schestowitzsmart people understand hive0-minded neanderthalNov 15 23:44
_Goblinah....Nov 15 23:44
_Goblinoh dear.....Nov 15 23:44
FaitherxDNov 15 23:44
schestowitzthe rest believe in feh..... sheep!Nov 15 23:44
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DaemonFCWhy is Opera in their open source section?Nov 15 23:44
DaemonFCOpera on a Mac no lessNov 15 23:44
_GoblinMsb made a good do these neanderthals live 10 miles underground....what about pressure?Nov 15 23:44
schestowitzit RUNS ON LUNIX!!Nov 15 23:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] more likely they'd have to disclose to mpeg if they licensed one of their codecsNov 15 23:44
Faitherbecause it's free software? xD LOLNov 15 23:44
Faitherfree as in free beerNov 15 23:44
cubezzzok, what is this about 10 miles underground?Nov 15 23:45
cubezzzthe Grays? :)Nov 15 23:45
_GoblinI think thats how deep the neanderthals live....Nov 15 23:45
cubezzzI'm up for ufo talk :)Nov 15 23:45
schestowitz_Goblin: they worry about the pressure later :-)Nov 15 23:45
_Goblinyou'll have to speak with Brandon to confirmNov 15 23:45
_Goblinschestowitz: silly me...... Also pressure is a conspiracy made up by the masons to stop us digging to look for the hairy people.Nov 15 23:45
schestowitzcubezzz: people in Afganstian see UFOsNov 15 23:46
cubezzzindeedNov 15 23:46
schestowitzWhen their weddings get hit by a missle they can identify thoseNov 15 23:46
_Goblinusually than land with a big bang on civilian targetsNov 15 23:46
schestowitz*afgahanistanNov 15 23:46
cubezzz_Goblin, what do you think about C64X?Nov 15 23:47
schestowitzsuse is snot 15 23:47
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_GoblinHaven't had time to look properly at it....but since its a commodoresque solution....great!Nov 15 23:47
cubezzzI'll have to look at Commodore OS but I fear my old computers will be too slow for itNov 15 23:48
_Goblincubezzz: Years ago I postulated a project with real transparent UAE integration on the Linux desktop.....never did take it any further than a few hours thought....Nov 15 23:49
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_Goblinas in copy/paste between platforms/apps....Nov 15 23:50
_Goblinetc etcNov 15 23:50
cubezzzlooks like it supports 64-bit only o_0Nov 15 23:50
DaemonFCdo these idiots have nothing better to bitch about?Nov 15 23:50
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 23:50
_Goblinprobably not...Nov 15 23:50
_Goblinthey should buy Skyrim instead...Nov 15 23:50
_GoblinI intend to..Nov 15 23:50
_Goblin"Enrages"Nov 15 23:51
_Goblingreat wordNov 15 23:51
_Goblinnot angersNov 15 23:51
_Goblinnot annoysNov 15 23:51
_GoblinEnrages.....Nov 15 23:51
_Goblinlike a hungry lion just kicked in the nackers.Nov 15 23:52
DaemonFC 15 23:52
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Doctor Who To Become Hollywood Feature Film - Slashdot .::. Size~: 154.92 KBNov 15 23:52
_GoblinDaemonFC: I said that over a year agoNov 15 23:52
_Goblinand apparently.....if my informants are correct....Nov 15 23:52
_GoblinJohnny Depp is DrNov 15 23:52
cubezzzTom Baker did those ads for PrimeNov 15 23:52
_Goblintheres also a 50 years special coming.....Nov 15 23:53
cubezzz_Goblin, looks like Commodore OS uses Gnome2Nov 15 23:53
_Goblinboo!Nov 15 23:53
cubezzzbut 64-bit onlyNov 15 23:53
_GoblinIve been invited on Tuxjam to talk about moving from Gnome2 to xfceNov 15 23:53
DaemonFCJohnny Depp as Doctor Who?Nov 15 23:54
DaemonFCthat would be interestingNov 15 23:54
cubezzzicewm is worth a look tooNov 15 23:54
_GoblinDaemonFC: Thats the rumour.......Nov 15 23:55
DaemonFC 15 23:55
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DaemonFCApple Penis uses SpeexNov 15 23:55
DaemonFChehNov 15 23:55
DaemonFC 15 23:56
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Pirate Party Gains Another Seat In EU - Slashdot .::. Size~: 150.55 KBNov 15 23:56
DaemonFC:)Nov 15 23:56
_Goblinoh....heres something I'm sure the trolls will love to make fun of.....Nov 15 23:58
_GoblinI've got back into an old hobby of tabletop wargamming....Nov 15 23:58
_Goblingoing to a local club next weekNov 15 23:58
_GoblinWarhammer 40k of courseNov 15 23:58
_GoblinI think where most men have a mid life crisis and buy a fast car....I'm going the other way and being as nerdy as possible.Nov 15 23:59

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