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| _Goblin | I think theres only train/plane spotting that are not on my list of things I do...... | Nov 16 00:00 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Good read for all :- Is there a difference between free software and open source software? http://ur1.ca/5umrg... http://b1t.it/VF1 | Nov 16 00:04 | |
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| Faither | is this a trick question? | Nov 16 00:06 |
| cubezzz | CRTC rules against Usage Based Billing | Nov 16 00:13 |
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| cubezzz | good news | Nov 16 00:14 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: is Andre Da Costa still shilling for laptop coasters? | Nov 16 00:14 |
| _Goblin | I don't think as much.... | Nov 16 00:15 |
| _Goblin | ive certainly seen very little from him.... | Nov 16 00:15 |
| schestowitz | maybe he has a new name | Nov 16 00:15 |
| schestowitz | like Luncy and mister dee | Nov 16 00:15 |
| schestowitz | *Lucy | Nov 16 00:15 |
| schestowitz | Because da costa is disgraced and possible catalyst for action by FTC | Nov 16 00:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] The brand new Mandriva Linux Powerpack 2011 is here http://is.gd/LLKmpu #mandriva #gnu #linux #russia | Nov 16 00:16 | |
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| schestowitz | http://mrpogson.com/2011/11/13/notebook-desktop-shipments-into-canada-flat-for-q3-2011/ | Nov 16 00:21 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.lenovoblogs.com/insidethebox/2007/09/linux-follow-up/ http://mrpogson.com/2011/11/14/69000-votes-and-counting/ | Nov 16 00:24 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Which sites would #SOPA endanger? We take a look at three big ones. https://eff.org/r.1Gx #blacklist | Nov 16 00:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] It's Wednesday on my side of the planet and time for some coffee - http://ur1.ca/5unps | Nov 16 00:39 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Barroso vai apresentar propostas para união económica mais profunda- Europa - Jornal negócios #ue #nwo #bankingsystem http://goo.gl/mhx7g | Nov 16 00:41 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 15/11/2011: Mandriva Linux Powerpack 2011, Fedora 16 Reviews http://ur1.ca/5untx #techrights | Nov 16 00:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #RedHat Stock Hits New 52-Week High http://ur1.ca/5unzb | Nov 16 00:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jankusanagi/@jankusanagi] Well, only basic initialization of libsensors right now, but I wanted to check if this gets posted automatically to htt http://ur1.ca/5uoeb | Nov 16 00:59 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Lenovo will launch an Android 4.0 Ice Cream Sandwich tablet this year http://is.gd/oPwkY9 #android #linux | Nov 16 01:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks libya inspired by WikiLeaks: purported docs, recordings http://t.co/fL20yCYT | Nov 16 01:01 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] UFO Religions » White House Responds to Petition on UFO Disclosure - #xfiles very well said! #obama http://goo.gl/22pN2 | Nov 16 01:04 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] PaleoBabble » More on the Noah’s Ark Fraud - #xfiles http://goo.gl/aWU8s | Nov 16 01:18 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] cryptogon.com » #Diaspora Co-Founder Ilya Zhitomirskiy Dead; Possible Suicide http://ur1.ca/5upg6 | Nov 16 01:34 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] In the last 24 hours, we've seen a huge new wave of opposition to the Internet #blacklist bill: https://eff.org/r.4Gy | Nov 16 02:13 | |
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| prurigro | not sure if anyone'd be interested, but I realized a project an online buddy of mine is working on might apply to the topic here in that it essentially imposes freedom of communication by nature https://github.com/cjdelisle/cjdns | Nov 16 02:19 |
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| XFaCE | Ahh... no Ender, much better | Nov 16 03:10 |
| XFaCE | hi prurigro, and cubezzz / cubefc1 I guess | Nov 16 03:10 |
| XFaCE | and tessier | Nov 16 03:10 |
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| XFaCE | oh and last but not least, msb__ | Nov 16 03:11 |
| msb__ | The one, the only! | Nov 16 03:11 |
| msb__ | How ya doon, goon? | Nov 16 03:11 |
| prurigro | hey XFaCE- how goes? | Nov 16 03:12 |
| prurigro | and msb__ too on that note | Nov 16 03:13 |
| msb__ | I was very excited earlier today watching the video "Thrive" about zero-point energy, NWO, etc. | Nov 16 03:14 |
| prurigro | youtube? | Nov 16 03:14 |
| msb__ | Until at the end it embraced Von Mises and said all govt was evil. | Nov 16 03:14 |
| msb__ | It is on youtube. | Nov 16 03:14 |
| msb__ | But I got it off bt -- http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-details.php?id=26263 2GB version or http://concen.org/tracker/torrents-details.php?id=26237 450MB version maybe almost as good. | Nov 16 03:16 |
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| prurigro | check this one-- its pretty fun :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pTSeDao3c9g&list=WLD99BF74B8B982F10&index=111&feature=plpp_video | Nov 16 03:16 |
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| prurigro | (part 1 of 9 or so, don't bother with 1080p, its just a barely 480i rip upscaled to waste your bandwidth) :) | Nov 16 03:17 |
| prurigro | and word, lets see how linode handles your 450mb version | Nov 16 03:18 |
| XFaCE | uhh, it goes good | Nov 16 03:18 |
| XFaCE | and I "doon" good | Nov 16 03:18 |
| prurigro | hmm, login? | Nov 16 03:18 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: Hurm? | Nov 16 03:18 |
| prurigro | got a direct torrent:// ? | Nov 16 03:18 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: Or a magnet... | Nov 16 03:19 |
| prurigro | @XFaCE: doon good errr, dat good, dat good | Nov 16 03:19 |
| prurigro | yea, magnet is what I was thinking actually-- 60 hours since last proper sleep and broca's region seems to be the first thing to go :) | Nov 16 03:20 |
| prurigro | thx | Nov 16 03:20 |
| tessier | XFaCE: Hello | Nov 16 03:20 |
| XFaCE | tessier: How is you? | Nov 16 03:20 |
| tessier | XFaCE: I am well. And you? | Nov 16 03:21 |
| XFaCE | Somewhat annoyed at my current assignment/work situation but no worse for wear | Nov 16 03:21 |
| msb__ | "cyberterrorism" and bin Laden??? | Nov 16 03:21 |
| msb__ | Since NATO just sicced "Al Qaeda" onto Libya, doesn't that tell us something? | Nov 16 03:22 |
| prurigro | XFaCE: whatchya working' on? | Nov 16 03:22 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: Too disgusted to share on a *Free* software channel (**hint) | Nov 16 03:23 |
| prurigro | lol, it might be acceptable if handled with adequate disdain :) | Nov 16 03:24 |
| prurigro | I'm guessing in the windows territory though? | Nov 16 03:24 |
| prurigro | and if so, there's no shame in running a virtual machine for experimenting on insecure systems | Nov 16 03:25 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: Yes, and it would be nice if it was exclusive to a VM... | Nov 16 03:26 |
| prurigro | you mean there's no hypervisor protecting your system at all :O | Nov 16 03:27 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: No even a sandbox | Nov 16 03:30 |
| msb__ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/linux/TuxWindows.gif | Nov 16 03:32 |
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| XFaCE | msb__: Nice one :) | Nov 16 03:37 |
| msb__ | Thanks! | Nov 16 03:37 |
| msb__ | He's so naughty! | Nov 16 03:37 |
| msb__ | Windows used to regularly kill itself. The only OS that habitually committed suicide. Now it's not supposed to anymore. | Nov 16 03:38 |
| prurigro | msb__: I picture windows like one of those hoarders in the hit TV show | Nov 16 03:40 |
| XFaCE | Like many other things, "Microsoft" and "supposed to" is paper-tiger combination | Nov 16 03:41 |
| msb__ | Spaghetti code up to the ceiling. | Nov 16 03:41 |
| msb__ | I think they leave it buggy to motivate people to buy the next version. | Nov 16 03:41 |
| prurigro | it's not necessarily trying to kill itself, but it keep its hideously unorganized mess where it lives, and eventually gets trapped underneath when it collapses and blocks the exit | Nov 16 03:42 |
| msb__ | 8^) | Nov 16 03:42 |
| prurigro | windows now has the choice of eating clippy or being eaten by clippy | Nov 16 03:42 |
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| prurigro | and while the rest of the story's a bit graphic for this forum, I'll say they both died with full stomachs :) | Nov 16 03:43 |
| msb__ | And there was much rejoicing! | Nov 16 03:43 |
| prurigro | a prof of mine explained once that a lot of window's horrendous bloat and general messyness has a lot to do with maintaining backwards compatibility | Nov 16 03:44 |
| msb__ | Right. It has to be compatible with being backwards. | Nov 16 03:44 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: A prof a mine explained that the bloat came from an inefficient program cycle | Nov 16 03:45 |
| prurigro | an inherit disadvantage to any OS that doesn't push timed obsolescence or pretty much exclusively compile from source :) | Nov 16 03:45 |
| prurigro | oh? do tell | Nov 16 03:45 |
| prurigro | its likely a number of things in the end, afterall | Nov 16 03:46 |
| prurigro | are you talking about scheduling? | Nov 16 03:46 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: He explained that each part is developed separately by teams in India, then cludged and clapped together | Nov 16 03:46 |
| XFaCE | The same way most university projects get done | Nov 16 03:46 |
| msb__ | Microsoft used to have secret faster APIs in Windows that, e.g., Word could use, but were not revealed publicly, so competitor apps ran poorly. | Nov 16 03:46 |
| prurigro | haha, interesting | Nov 16 03:47 |
| prurigro | I do know vista was written in C# before they realized it was completely impossible to get reasonable speeds that route | Nov 16 03:47 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: msb__ he also referenced the Windows-Lotus1-2-3 controversy | Nov 16 03:47 |
| prurigro | and they then had 30 days to port the entire thing to C | Nov 16 03:47 |
| prurigro | err C++ | Nov 16 03:47 |
| prurigro | rather | Nov 16 03:47 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: And as DaemonFC once pointed out, .NET C# is transparent | Nov 16 03:48 |
| prurigro | oh? | Nov 16 03:48 |
| msb__ | What was the Lotus deal --- I forget? | Nov 16 03:48 |
| XFaCE | Reverse engineering could be done by a kid | Nov 16 03:48 |
| prurigro | ohh, you mean generated binaries? | Nov 16 03:48 |
| XFaCE | yeha | Nov 16 03:48 |
| prurigro | I guess that's what you get for changing 'developing' into a series of importable modules | Nov 16 03:49 |
| XFaCE | msb__: Basically, Lotus 1-2-3 was the top spreadsheet software for DOS, then when Windows came out... | Nov 16 03:49 |
| XFaCE | ...it was bloated and slow, and Excel ran 100% correctly. | Nov 16 03:49 |
| XFaCE | 1+1=2 | Nov 16 03:50 |
| prurigro | oh I didn't know M$ did Lotus | Nov 16 03:50 |
| msb__ | I remember back in the MSDOS days, I always had to turn off all the optimizations in MS C compiler, or it wrote totally bad code. | Nov 16 03:51 |
| prurigro | lmao | Nov 16 03:51 |
| prurigro | don't forget throwing a few while(getchar()!= | Nov 16 03:51 |
| prurigro | '\n');s | Nov 16 03:51 |
| prurigro | in random spots near input | Nov 16 03:51 |
| prurigro | when you get segfaults | Nov 16 03:51 |
| XFaCE | msb__: That legacy lives on in Microsoft HTML programs: quality in, garbage out | Nov 16 03:52 |
| prurigro | visual studio web developer is actually one of the best web IDE's I've ever used | Nov 16 03:52 |
| prurigro | its unfortunate it doens't support PHP | Nov 16 03:52 |
| prurigro | but yea, I had to point out the exception (not arguing the rule!) | Nov 16 03:53 |
| XFaCE | Well, whatever our prof is using spits out lines and lines of all-over-the-place garbage | Nov 16 03:53 |
| msb__ | I've seen MS-written HTML pages that were a whole line of HTML for every character! | Nov 16 03:53 |
| XFaCE | Sharepoint Designer, shudder | Nov 16 03:53 |
| XFaCE | That's what he used | Nov 16 03:55 |
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| prurigro | msb__: is this before or after being rendered through an engine like asp? | Nov 16 03:55 |
| prurigro | or are you takling about WSYWIG? (which should be done away with like a bad religion) | Nov 16 03:56 |
| msb__ | I've seen them in html segments of e-mail. | Nov 16 03:56 |
| msb__ | I don't remember whether I tried to look at them with a graphic browser or just lynx. | Nov 16 03:58 |
| msb__ | I can imagine Firefox bursting into flames. | Nov 16 03:59 |
| prurigro | haha | Nov 16 04:00 |
| prurigro | well formatting isn't required by the browser | Nov 16 04:00 |
| prurigro | and if you code in certain styles, not accounting for \n's and what have you | Nov 16 04:00 |
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| prurigro | you might find the output is one long string, even if the source is exceptionally well formatted | Nov 16 04:01 |
| msb__ | Speaking of which, this was on Syphy this morning, but I missed it and can't find it anywhere: Fire Serpent -- A veteran firefighter tries to convince others about a creature spawned by the sun. | Nov 16 04:01 |
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| msb__ | I remember it was kinda fun. | Nov 16 04:02 |
| prurigro | lol, satire or real? | Nov 16 04:02 |
| msb__ | Real scifi. | Nov 16 04:04 |
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| prurigro | oh word, interesting | Nov 16 04:04 |
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| oiaohm | Hmm | Nov 16 04:16 |
| oiaohm | This has been fun | Nov 16 04:16 |
| oiaohm | the most unstable connection ever | Nov 16 04:17 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Kraken nibbling on the cable? | Nov 16 04:17 |
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| oiaohm | Now is this end end of the pest | Nov 16 04:20 |
| oiaohm | msb__: I seam to be taken a trip over a large section of the freenode network. | Nov 16 04:21 |
| msb__ | oiaohm: Isn't science wonderful! | Nov 16 04:23 |
| oiaohm | Could be worse freenode could be on mars. msb__ | Nov 16 04:24 |
| msb__ | How is Oz connected? Undersea fiber? | Nov 16 04:31 |
| prurigro | wouldn't freenode being on mars be awesome? if a little laggy | Nov 16 04:31 |
| oiaohm | msb__: issue is I was connect to every where else fine. | Nov 16 04:32 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Problem I was not connecting to the Australian based freenode servers for some reason. | Nov 16 04:32 |
| msb__ | So just that one server. | Nov 16 04:32 |
| oiaohm | So I was connecting to servers all over the place. | Nov 16 04:33 |
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| msb__ | With the old copper cables, you could zap 'em with high voltage and the Kraken would let go. | Nov 16 04:35 |
| oiaohm | Australia is connected by fiber and copper. | Nov 16 04:35 |
| oiaohm | There is a particular section of sea you cannot run fiber threw | Nov 16 04:36 |
| prurigro | salt? | Nov 16 04:36 |
| prurigro | (as the reason why?) | Nov 16 04:36 |
| oiaohm | For some reason the sharks in that area take offence to fiber cable with messages being sent. | Nov 16 04:36 |
| prurigro | haha sharks eh? | Nov 16 04:36 |
| prurigro | figured it woulda been giant squid if anything | Nov 16 04:36 |
| oiaohm | I am not kidding. | Nov 16 04:36 |
| prurigro | neither was I | Nov 16 04:36 |
| oiaohm | You can lay the fiber cable and sharks in that area don't give a rats. | Nov 16 04:37 |
| prurigro | sharks are pretty simple creatures-- maybe its how they're forced to swim around | Nov 16 04:37 |
| oiaohm | As soon as you start sending messages you have about 15 mins/ | Nov 16 04:37 |
| oiaohm | copper cable they completely ingore. | Nov 16 04:37 |
| msb__ | They picked up the ending of "Jaws" and got kinda peeved. | Nov 16 04:38 |
| oiaohm | Its warped. | Nov 16 04:38 |
| oiaohm | What ever the sharks are pickup up on most likely would allow you to tap into fiber cable without cutting it. | Nov 16 04:38 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: you in aussieland? | Nov 16 04:40 |
| oiaohm | Yep prurigro | Nov 16 04:40 |
| prurigro | msb__: they need another jaws sequel where disgruntled internet users have to deal with downtime | Nov 16 04:40 |
| prurigro | @oiaohm: I found a cool video on a new cult starting up over there, interested? | Nov 16 04:41 |
| oiaohm | Name of cult. | Nov 16 04:41 |
| msb__ | The Crocfockers? | Nov 16 04:42 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: there is only 20 I know of. | Nov 16 04:42 |
| prurigro | know of AJ Miller? | Nov 16 04:43 |
| prurigro | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ML2Oa4Oigvo | Nov 16 04:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Sunday Night - Inside Australia's Chilling New Cult (AJ Miller) - YouTube .::. Size~: 93.73 KB | Nov 16 04:43 |
| prurigro | I'm not 100% its been named yet | Nov 16 04:44 |
| prurigro | its a cool video even if you've heard of it though since it's at a much earlier stage than the majority of cults are when they get enough attention for interviews etc | Nov 16 04:44 |
| prurigro | you can see him structuring the people around him, and it almost seems experimental on his part, despite appearing to be going in the same direction as many a leader before him | Nov 16 04:45 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: on the nuts scale that is not the worse we have had. | Nov 16 04:46 |
| prurigro | haha yea, it's not completely insane so much as informative on more typical cults | Nov 16 04:47 |
| prurigro | there's a point when the interviewer's basically calling the leader out for starting a cult, and talks about all these things like how he's tearing families apart and isolating members etc | Nov 16 04:48 |
| prurigro | AJ Miller proceeds to point out that Jesus did all of those things as well, right there in the bible | Nov 16 04:48 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: His cult does have a name. | Nov 16 04:49 |
| oiaohm | But as with all australian cults the name seams like nothing. | Nov 16 04:49 |
| oiaohm | http://www.heraldsun.com.au/news/victoria/the-family-cults-secrets-exposed/story-e6frf7kx-1225761971443 | Nov 16 04:50 |
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| oiaohm | This is one of the worst. | Nov 16 04:50 |
| oiaohm | Aj Miller is the "church of jesus" as the cult name. More respectful really to use the founders name instead. prurigro | Nov 16 04:52 |
| prurigro | wow, talk about taking advantage of the impressionable young kids eh | Nov 16 04:54 |
| prurigro | and yea, not to mention that there are probably 300 "church of jesus"s | Nov 16 04:54 |
| prurigro | the hamilton-byrne cult doesn't seem too bad though | Nov 16 04:56 |
| prurigro | check out Canada's namesake https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_the_Solar_Temple | Nov 16 04:57 |
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| oiaohm | prurigro: of course some of our cults have been totally warpped. http://www.perthnow.com.au/wa-cult-reunites-on-tv/story-fna7dq6e-1111118890225 and safely imploded. | Nov 16 04:58 |
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| prurigro | I like how it finishes off by saying that public opinion of religious cults is down due to their ability to control people | Nov 16 05:01 |
| prurigro | yet that connection never seems to be extended to religion | Nov 16 05:01 |
| prurigro | especially considering how many 'cults' are actually just smaller christian sects with a more radicalized interpretation | Nov 16 05:02 |
| oiaohm | We do have some religions that are called cults. | Nov 16 05:02 |
| oiaohm | Note the Universal Brotherhood was not christian at core. prurigro | Nov 16 05:03 |
| oiaohm | No cult here will call them selves order of something normally. | Nov 16 05:03 |
| prurigro | yea, that one's an exception | Nov 16 05:04 |
| oiaohm | church of something is about as high as they dare reach. | Nov 16 05:04 |
| oiaohm | There is about 7 in the universal brotherhood class that have been in australia. prurigro | Nov 16 05:04 |
| prurigro | but all the cults people I've known have been in, a large number of the most popular ones and the majority of the ltitle ones I've read about | Nov 16 05:04 |
| oiaohm | Non christian. | Nov 16 05:05 |
| oiaohm | The key sign in australia of a cult by our rules is disconnection of comunication to the outside world. | Nov 16 05:05 |
| prurigro | universal brotherhood seems more in the direction of 'spirituality', or a heavy organizational twist on more Buddhist like followings | Nov 16 05:05 |
| oiaohm | Ie people leave and there family will not talk to them. | Nov 16 05:06 |
| prurigro | yea, the isolation | Nov 16 05:06 |
| prurigro | Jesus does demand this in the bible | Nov 16 05:06 |
| oiaohm | And that kind of behavour. | Nov 16 05:06 |
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| prurigro | which I think is why so many cults with that definition end up being christian | Nov 16 05:06 |
| prurigro | or at least a possible reason | Nov 16 05:06 |
| oiaohm | We have seen this with sects of islam, hindo and christian and faithless. | Nov 16 05:06 |
| prurigro | yup, but the prevailing them I mean | Nov 16 05:07 |
| prurigro | it could also be simply because christianity is so rampant | Nov 16 05:07 |
| oiaohm | The disconned in christian is only old testiment. | Nov 16 05:07 |
| prurigro | nadda | Nov 16 05:08 |
| prurigro | jesus is explicitly the reason for this | Nov 16 05:08 |
| oiaohm | You know the example in the people in the bible and the hurt person and christ ask what one of the three is the best christian. prurigro | Nov 16 05:08 |
| oiaohm | Remember the 3 person is in fact a pagon. | Nov 16 05:09 |
| prurigro | the old testament teaches more family promoting themes, which I believe jesus needed to undo to collect followers from the jewish faith without their parents stopping them | Nov 16 05:09 |
| oiaohm | So the best christian is how you act not how your worship. | Nov 16 05:09 |
| prurigro | hm? | Nov 16 05:10 |
| prurigro | that's one statement in one location | Nov 16 05:10 |
| oiaohm | Most people don't read the bible. | Nov 16 05:10 |
| oiaohm | It not only once in the modern bible. | Nov 16 05:10 |
| prurigro | I figured I'd give it a run through if I was gonna properly reject it | Nov 16 05:10 |
| oiaohm | Its also again in peter 2 | Nov 16 05:11 |
| oiaohm | it turns up in mark | Nov 16 05:11 |
| oiaohm | Its all over the place in the bible. | Nov 16 05:11 |
| oiaohm | That how good of christian you are is your actions. | Nov 16 05:11 |
| oiaohm | Most people who call themselves christian when you get down and read the bible they are not. | Nov 16 05:12 |
| prurigro | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Emphatic_Diaglott | Nov 16 05:12 |
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| oiaohm | buddhist are one group there there has never been a single recorded case of a cult. prurigro | Nov 16 05:13 |
| prurigro | oiaohm: all buddhist religions? theist and atheist? | Nov 16 05:14 |
| prurigro | not that I doubt it | Nov 16 05:15 |
| prurigro | buddhist is the only religion i feel comfortable with, though that might be in part because its not technically a religion in most instances | Nov 16 05:15 |
| prurigro | :) | Nov 16 05:15 |
| oiaohm | buddhist encourages free thought. | Nov 16 05:16 |
| oiaohm | Kinda self undermines the cult problem. | Nov 16 05:16 |
| msb__ | Wasn't there a cult of Japanese Buddhist suicide pilots in WW2? | Nov 16 05:16 |
| msb__ | kamikazis | Nov 16 05:17 |
| oiaohm | msb__: No that was the way of the samarii. | Nov 16 05:17 |
| oiaohm | msb__: It was honor based. Yes and one did miss and he still lives today. msb__ | Nov 16 05:18 |
| oiaohm | closet in buddhist to cult is like the sholine monks(I know that is spelt wrong). children without carers raised in a strict combat style live. They get a full normal education as well. And when they get 18 they have no problem getting jobs. | Nov 16 05:21 |
| oiaohm | Buddhist have the habit at times of being bruttle but effective. Ie buddhist cure to problem is not always the nicest path. | Nov 16 05:22 |
| prurigro | msb__: I think kamikaze was more of a government thing | Nov 16 05:24 |
| prurigro | your family was taken care of if you did it etc | Nov 16 05:24 |
| msb__ | prurigro: Wikipedia agrees. | Nov 16 05:24 |
| prurigro | good to know! | Nov 16 05:24 |
| prurigro | I'll file that in the sourced information part of my brain now ;) | Nov 16 05:25 |
| msb__ | Wicca is also a good religion. | Nov 16 05:25 |
| prurigro | as far as not getting into trouble? for sure | Nov 16 05:26 |
| prurigro | it can get a little new age at times I find though | Nov 16 05:26 |
| prurigro | most modern religions are a little silly at times like that tho | Nov 16 05:26 |
| oiaohm | msb__: Wicca depends on the form. | Nov 16 05:27 |
| msb__ | There are many variants, some ancient, some recent. | Nov 16 05:27 |
| msb__ | All Goddess oriented and life-positive. | Nov 16 05:28 |
| prurigro | msb__: I thought Wicca was 20th century? | Nov 16 05:28 |
| prurigro | albeit based off celtic religions | Nov 16 05:28 |
| oiaohm | Not all the ancient would be what you call good. msb__ | Nov 16 05:28 |
| oiaohm | Ie the ones requiring live sacfices 100 percent sure not good msb__ | Nov 16 05:29 |
| msb__ | There are caves with paintings, statues, etc, from thousands of years ago. | Nov 16 05:29 |
| prurigro | ancient to me just means likely less silly due to a lack of ridiculous deepak chopra like ideas | Nov 16 05:29 |
| msb__ | Witches never did that. Druids maybe. | Nov 16 05:29 |
| msb__ | Not all pagans are/were witches. | Nov 16 05:30 |
| oiaohm | Witches in the dark side have done life. | Nov 16 05:30 |
| oiaohm | Normally part of revenge. | Nov 16 05:30 |
| prurigro | druids were another religion, I believe | Nov 16 05:30 |
| oiaohm | Ie something a Wicca should not be attempting todo in the first place. | Nov 16 05:30 |
| oiaohm | druids are a mix bag of religions. | Nov 16 05:31 |
| prurigro | 'dark witches' seem more likely the concoction of some paranoid Christian than anything people would agree upon in the religions Christianity was using witches to attack | Nov 16 05:31 |
| oiaohm | Wicca it self admits the possiblity of dark witches. prurigro | Nov 16 05:32 |
| msb__ | There were (and are) people doing negative magic, but not in the Goddess life-positive religions. | Nov 16 05:32 |
| prurigro | hmm interesting yea-- I'd learned in an art course that druids transcribed their religion in code surrounding the text of christian bibles | Nov 16 05:32 |
| oiaohm | Its doing the negative magic | Nov 16 05:32 |
| oiaohm | Remember ever attack will come back on you 7 fold in wicca | Nov 16 05:33 |
| prurigro | but I guess a 'druid' was the person doing the transcription, morethan the associated religion being salvaged | Nov 16 05:33 |
| msb__ | And certainly "Christians" made up a lot of lies about witches, e.g. that they were devil worshippers. | Nov 16 05:33 |
| prurigro | they also stole all the pagan holidays | Nov 16 05:33 |
| oiaohm | So is not that advistable to be a dark witch basically prurigro | Nov 16 05:33 |
| prurigro | rebranded their god as jesus' mom | Nov 16 05:33 |
| msb__ | "Do what you wish if it harms none." | Nov 16 05:33 |
| oiaohm | You are kinda going to suffer. | Nov 16 05:33 |
| oiaohm | But its not that dark witches have not existed. | Nov 16 05:34 |
| oiaohm | Normally witches that have given up all hope. | Nov 16 05:34 |
| prurigro | systematic removal of old ideas and replacement with christianity | Nov 16 05:34 |
| prurigro | like a true virus | Nov 16 05:34 |
| prurigro | I heard about a 'dark witch' in africa via the radio a few months back | Nov 16 05:34 |
| prurigro | (they still have christian witch hunts in africa) | Nov 16 05:35 |
| oiaohm | In an envorment like that you might have a case of a dark witch. prurigro | Nov 16 05:35 |
| oiaohm | Ie they are hunted and they are going to die anyhow so what risk is the 7 times hit back. | Nov 16 05:35 |
| prurigro | she thought she was evil and had powers, but only because her entire village had pinned various items an insurance company might refer to as an act of god on her, and exiled her for them- after she refused to sleep with her accuser when propositioned | Nov 16 05:36 |
| oiaohm | Yes hunting them can cause the existance of the dark witch. | Nov 16 05:36 |
| prurigro | hmm, yea, the Wicca religion was started in the first half of the 1900s, and popularized in the 60s | Nov 16 05:38 |
| prurigro | according to wikipedia | Nov 16 05:38 |
| prurigro | rather new | Nov 16 05:38 |
| oiaohm | remember part of full wicca is a proper understanding of herbs. prurigro | Nov 16 05:38 |
| prurigro | which herbs? | Nov 16 05:38 |
| prurigro | or rather, I'm assuming they're basing their list of herbs on the ones used in the pagan faith? | Nov 16 05:39 |
| prurigro | since wicca seems to most resemble that | Nov 16 05:39 |
| oiaohm | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paganism_%28contemporary_religions%29 To be correct wicca is out of a particular subset of Paganism | Nov 16 05:40 |
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| prurigro | ahh yea, I'd figured it was something along those lines | Nov 16 05:41 |
| prurigro | the two share a lot in common | Nov 16 05:41 |
| prurigro | are you of a particular faith oiaohm? | Nov 16 05:42 |
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| prurigro | and on a side note, thinking about it, I think the most common religion out of the people I know migth be wicca- interesting | Nov 16 05:43 |
| oiaohm | I am kind odd Buddhist christian is my faith. prurigro | Nov 16 05:43 |
| prurigro | I konw at least 3 or 4 Wiccans vs one or two christians, and no buddhists I can think of | Nov 16 05:44 |
| prurigro | and word, that is a bit odd considering they have somewhat opposing messages :) | Nov 16 05:45 |
| prurigro | able to expand a bit? | Nov 16 05:45 |
| oiaohm | Really christian and Buddhist faiths don't fight. | Nov 16 05:45 |
| oiaohm | Buddhists you are not require to believe in anything. | Nov 16 05:46 |
| oiaohm | Its you actions that are important. | Nov 16 05:46 |
| prurigro | true, but you are encouraged against faith | Nov 16 05:46 |
| oiaohm | But faith is not forbin. | Nov 16 05:47 |
| prurigro | it isn't | Nov 16 05:47 |
| prurigro | its just leading you down a different path | Nov 16 05:47 |
| prurigro | a path where things are forbidden ;) | Nov 16 05:47 |
| oiaohm | exactly Buddhists are free to choose your own path. | Nov 16 05:47 |
| oiaohm | So there is no conflit from the buddhist side about being christian | Nov 16 05:48 |
| prurigro | well there's your path | Nov 16 05:48 |
| prurigro | but then there's like a meta-path | Nov 16 05:48 |
| oiaohm | Christian on the other hand make the mistake that to be buddhist I have to worship something. | Nov 16 05:49 |
| prurigro | and pretty typically leads towards a higher level understanding the universe, whether you've been told you'll be rewarded after death for it or not | Nov 16 05:49 |
| prurigro | yea, I think the % of atheist buddhists are higher than theist on that note | Nov 16 05:50 |
| prurigro | and the theist ones are using the god concept very loosely | Nov 16 05:50 |
| oiaohm | Most Christian cannot read buddhist alters. | Nov 16 05:50 |
| oiaohm | That they are about a real person trip. | Nov 16 05:50 |
| oiaohm | The stories today might be expanded and exadtrated for the fun of story. | Nov 16 05:51 |
| oiaohm | But there is a real story at the bottom. | Nov 16 05:51 |
| oiaohm | So you are not bowing to a idle but show respect for the dead. | Nov 16 05:51 |
| oiaohm | That is something the christian side is very light on. | Nov 16 05:52 |
| prurigro | yea | Nov 16 05:52 |
| prurigro | in fact, I believe theist buddhists are simply misunderstanding the teachings, to that respect | Nov 16 05:52 |
| oiaohm | Basically there are 3 buddhists. | Nov 16 05:52 |
| prurigro | buddha gathers everyone around to witness a flower | Nov 16 05:52 |
| prurigro | atheist interpretation: learn to appreciate beauty in the little things, theist interpretation: this must become a ritual! | Nov 16 05:53 |
| oiaohm | Ie buddhist with some other religion that is compadible. Buddhist that is atheist and Buddist folloing theist | Nov 16 05:53 |
| prurigro | well its not that bad, but that's the direction I see things going | Nov 16 05:53 |
| prurigro | well you can be a theist buddhists, and be only buddhist | Nov 16 05:54 |
| oiaohm | theist buddhist I find annoyly. | Nov 16 05:54 |
| oiaohm | They are like cathlick christians. | Nov 16 05:54 |
| prurigro | it depends on how you treat the teachings, from what I can gather (see my borderline sarcastic example) | Nov 16 05:54 |
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| prurigro | lol | Nov 16 05:54 |
| prurigro | Catholicism is actually leaps and bounds ahead of most other sects these days | Nov 16 05:55 |
| prurigro | or denominations, rather | Nov 16 05:55 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: other than repeativeness is forbin. | Nov 16 05:55 |
| oiaohm | And they do all the time. | Nov 16 05:55 |
| prurigro | forbin = forbidden? | Nov 16 05:56 |
| oiaohm | Yep prurigro | Nov 16 05:56 |
| oiaohm | Its covered in the how to worship bits in the christian bible. prurigro | Nov 16 05:56 |
| prurigro | btw, I'm curious why you'd choose such an illogical religion as Christianity to add to your repertoire? | Nov 16 05:56 |
| oiaohm | Maybe its not a illogical as it seams. prurigro | Nov 16 05:57 |
| prurigro | you would not have heard me complimenting Catholicism 15 years ago | Nov 16 05:57 |
| prurigro | and I'm pretty sure it is, but feel free to try me | Nov 16 05:57 |
| prurigro | :) | Nov 16 05:57 |
| oiaohm | I am from a different from of christian. | Nov 16 05:57 |
| oiaohm | My famaly still followed the basic beliefs of praying in open fields and air. | Nov 16 05:58 |
| prurigro | but if you include Christianity, you automatically include a collection of logical fallacies | Nov 16 05:58 |
| prurigro | so long as it can still be defined as christianity, at least | Nov 16 05:58 |
| oiaohm | It between you and god | Nov 16 05:58 |
| oiaohm | Not between your and a person standing up there speaking. | Nov 16 05:59 |
| oiaohm | So you can say my christianity is fairly strict. prurigro | Nov 16 05:59 |
| prurigro | yes, the less scary form of any religion: the non organized variety | Nov 16 05:59 |
| prurigro | still though | Nov 16 05:59 |
| prurigro | god is a pretty weak concept | Nov 16 06:00 |
| oiaohm | I can understand you thinking that. | Nov 16 06:00 |
| prurigro | unless you've contorted what a 'god' is as well to fit a more logical standponit? | Nov 16 06:00 |
| oiaohm | Praying to god in the open is way different to praying to god in a building on anything else. | Nov 16 06:01 |
| oiaohm | Really god does not exactly fit into logcal. | Nov 16 06:02 |
| prurigro | its assumed, since the default christian god as a pure concept sans any attached biblical teachings, is still a weakly defined concept | Nov 16 06:02 |
| oiaohm | That is the point. | Nov 16 06:02 |
| oiaohm | If you follow how you told to pray god does not exactly fell like a concept any more. | Nov 16 06:02 |
| prurigro | why would one desire such a point? | Nov 16 06:02 |
| prurigro | and are you referring to the joyfully emotional religious experience? | Nov 16 06:03 |
| oiaohm | Its hard to explain. After a while you seam to get answers to you praying. You feel it. | Nov 16 06:03 |
| oiaohm | You don't get that inside a building. | Nov 16 06:04 |
| prurigro | haha, well of course not | Nov 16 06:04 |
| prurigro | what you're referring to is how your subconscious operates when you give it free reign to communicate with you | Nov 16 06:04 |
| oiaohm | That is the thing. | Nov 16 06:04 |
| prurigro | I've trained myself to think like that almost completely | Nov 16 06:04 |
| oiaohm | This is not just subconscious | Nov 16 06:05 |
| prurigro | if I was following your beliefs, I'd say my entire thought process is a conversation with god | Nov 16 06:05 |
| oiaohm | Remember I a buddhist still I am still strained to use minds. | Nov 16 06:05 |
| prurigro | ok, how is it different? | Nov 16 06:05 |
| oiaohm | The answers are to stuff you don't know the answers to. | Nov 16 06:06 |
| prurigro | like? | Nov 16 06:06 |
| prurigro | facts? or solutions to issues? | Nov 16 06:06 |
| oiaohm | More in the class of weired. | Nov 16 06:06 |
| prurigro | continue | Nov 16 06:06 |
| oiaohm | You have asked of solution to X problem you get erge to be at a particular location. | Nov 16 06:07 |
| oiaohm | there you meet a person you have never meet before and they tell you. | Nov 16 06:07 |
| oiaohm | As I say wiered. | Nov 16 06:07 |
| prurigro | like, your questions are answered at a later point by another person after asking them? | Nov 16 06:07 |
| oiaohm | But you know to ask them. | Nov 16 06:09 |
| oiaohm | Ie wiered. | Nov 16 06:09 |
| oiaohm | sometimes you even ask the question of them without even think about saying anything. prurigro | Nov 16 06:10 |
| oiaohm | Basically its a releation of the old story of christians speaking in toungs prurigro | Nov 16 06:11 |
| prurigro | like another individual answers a question you either a) have in your head while around them but never mention, or b) that you've prayed for an answer to previously? | Nov 16 06:11 |
| oiaohm | Swap the or for and | Nov 16 06:12 |
| prurigro | ahh well | Nov 16 06:12 |
| oiaohm | But you know where to be. | Nov 16 06:12 |
| oiaohm | As well. | Nov 16 06:12 |
| oiaohm | So you know if you go there you will get the answer you are after. | Nov 16 06:12 |
| prurigro | first of all, you're making a pretty big logical fallacy | Nov 16 06:12 |
| oiaohm | This does not happen often. prurigro | Nov 16 06:13 |
| prurigro | in that you're experiencing effects attributed to an idea as the basis for that idea | Nov 16 06:13 |
| prurigro | in contrast, this happens all the time to me | Nov 16 06:13 |
| oiaohm | 90+ of what I pray for is not answered. | Nov 16 06:13 |
| prurigro | I find using social queues alone can direct someone to a particular area you're hoping to get them on | Nov 16 06:15 |
| oiaohm | That is only 1 form. | Nov 16 06:15 |
| prurigro | darren brown has it pretty well mastered though, if you've seen his videos | Nov 16 06:15 |
| oiaohm | The other strange is one I cannot explain. | Nov 16 06:15 |
| oiaohm | I have a few stuffed toyes and other wiered things over the years I have won. | Nov 16 06:16 |
| prurigro | he can actually have one strange guess an obscure term an other person they've never met is thinking about, as well as do it himself | Nov 16 06:16 |
| oiaohm | Issue is why its wiered is I have stated exactly what I would win. without knowing it. | Nov 16 06:16 |
| oiaohm | and paid for only 1 ticket. | Nov 16 06:16 |
| oiaohm | This is not exactly luck. | Nov 16 06:17 |
| prurigro | another direction I believe you're probably looking at, where answers you've asked for will start revealing themselves to you actually has a law describing why this appears to happen | Nov 16 06:17 |
| oiaohm | Each of these wins have caused other effects. | Nov 16 06:17 |
| prurigro | its essentially probability and attention though | Nov 16 06:17 |
| oiaohm | Remermber something here I don't play games of chance at all. prurigro | Nov 16 06:17 |
| prurigro | you mean purposefully? | Nov 16 06:18 |
| oiaohm | Its completely out of nature to buy a ticket in the first place. | Nov 16 06:18 |
| oiaohm | I will normally give cash not buy ticket. | Nov 16 06:18 |
| prurigro | cuz beyond this being a deterministic, or at best purely random universe, as far as we're able to observe the overall system, everything is a game of chance | Nov 16 06:18 |
| prurigro | I once went to a casino with 50 cents | Nov 16 06:19 |
| prurigro | chose like 12 random slot machines | Nov 16 06:19 |
| oiaohm | This is not like a casino and a game of chance. | Nov 16 06:19 |
| prurigro | and came out with 25 in my hands-- I don't gamble btw | Nov 16 06:19 |
| oiaohm | I normally would have not played at all. | Nov 16 06:19 |
| prurigro | how about how I for some unknown reason chose to sit in the front seat of a van for the first time in years when all the back seats were plowed into by a drunk driver? | Nov 16 06:20 |
| oiaohm | That is the same kind of thing. | Nov 16 06:20 |
| prurigro | or how my grandfather decided not to use the washroom at the time he did every other day during WW2 | Nov 16 06:21 |
| prurigro | and that particular day a bomb landed square on that building | Nov 16 06:21 |
| oiaohm | When it happens to you repeatedly. | Nov 16 06:21 |
| prurigro | see, if you're still alive | Nov 16 06:21 |
| oiaohm | Once good luck. | Nov 16 06:21 |
| prurigro | then you've survived every possible end you've come across | Nov 16 06:22 |
| prurigro | otherwise you'd be dead | Nov 16 06:22 |
| prurigro | and while you vary your behaviour all the time for millions of little things | Nov 16 06:22 |
| prurigro | its the ones that produce gains or avoid losses that you actually pay attention to | Nov 16 06:23 |
| prurigro | and attention is a key factor in memory formation | Nov 16 06:23 |
| oiaohm | I did not mention the cases of those games of chance. | Nov 16 06:23 |
| oiaohm | Properly I never wanted to play. | Nov 16 06:23 |
| prurigro | looking back, it would be statistically unlikely for anyone not to be able to say that some crazy lucky things have occured for them in their lives | Nov 16 06:24 |
| oiaohm | Since I had said it my friends pushed me into it. | Nov 16 06:24 |
| prurigro | and if you'd lost | Nov 16 06:24 |
| oiaohm | With the point of view prove it wrong. | Nov 16 06:24 |
| prurigro | you'd have reaffirmed your belief against gambling and gone on your way | Nov 16 06:24 |
| oiaohm | I have a collection of a 100 times prurigro | Nov 16 06:24 |
| prurigro | since you won, it now appears to be special | Nov 16 06:24 |
| oiaohm | zero losses | Nov 16 06:25 |
| prurigro | how is the game played, exactly? | Nov 16 06:25 |
| prurigro | I might be able to calculate the odds of that happening | Nov 16 06:25 |
| prurigro | and compare it against say, getting a royal flush :) | Nov 16 06:25 |
| prurigro | (1/649,739) | Nov 16 06:26 |
| oiaohm | Mixture the lowest was about 25 to 1. The higherst was infact 1 milllion to 1. | Nov 16 06:26 |
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| oiaohm | We are talking long odds here to pull it off prurigro | Nov 16 06:26 |
| prurigro | haha, yea, one of those variable questions eh | Nov 16 06:27 |
| prurigro | especially factoring in others | Nov 16 06:27 |
| prurigro | anyway | Nov 16 06:27 |
| oiaohm | Most annoy is the one I dicend not to buy the ticket. | Nov 16 06:27 |
| oiaohm | guess what friend bought the ticket and gifts it to me. | Nov 16 06:27 |
| prurigro | haha | Nov 16 06:27 |
| oiaohm | I thought I had it beat. | Nov 16 06:28 |
| prurigro | the human belief in luck is extremely irrational logically, yet if you look at how our brains are programmed, it's amazing we can see around these perceived relationships via random correlations | Nov 16 06:28 |
| oiaohm | See is not just the odds prurigro | Nov 16 06:28 |
| oiaohm | I am trying not to. | Nov 16 06:28 |
| prurigro | your intent is not taken into account | Nov 16 06:29 |
| prurigro | your friend had a perfectly logical reason for forcing it on you | Nov 16 06:29 |
| prurigro | in that they believe you're more likely to win based on past experience | Nov 16 06:29 |
| prurigro | you, in this particular situation, exist in most experiments though | Nov 16 06:30 |
| oiaohm | Normally its only short term. | Nov 16 06:31 |
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| prurigro | in an experiment testing the odds of winning/losing, you would simply be calculated out as a statistical outlier- | Nov 16 06:31 |
| oiaohm | Normally should be able to break it. prurigro | Nov 16 06:31 |
| prurigro | there's no such thing as normal without the much less common but always present abnormal | Nov 16 06:32 |
| prurigro | otherwise something simply is | Nov 16 06:32 |
| prurigro | this type of situation is actually a key focus point of schizophrenics | Nov 16 06:33 |
| oiaohm | Basically there are such a high outlier I have not been able to explain by odds. The thing that stuffs me is that I state exactly what I will win. prurigro | Nov 16 06:33 |
| prurigro | since they're keenly paying attention to all the details to a degree in which the bigger picture can't be taken into account | Nov 16 06:33 |
| prurigro | I betchya whatever the odds of someone, somewhere doing that correctly | Nov 16 06:34 |
| oiaohm | and worst part is were. This is the kill I am winning from stands and locations I have never seen. prurigro | Nov 16 06:34 |
| prurigro | is still lower than winning the lottery | Nov 16 06:34 |
| prurigro | which one couple in the province I live in did twice in a row | Nov 16 06:35 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: the killer to me is the information I have in advance. | Nov 16 06:35 |
| prurigro | hmm, rather than continue to debate whether or not chance alone would provide someone this glorious fate | Nov 16 06:36 |
| oiaohm | I have a stuffed 60 cm husty style dog that I got from a flying docs stand. When I got I I stated that I would win it to my sister when I was going to the show. Thing is that was the first year the flying docers ever had that on there stands. | Nov 16 06:37 |
| prurigro | I wanna propose that you do have a special hookup in what we'd currently consider the supernatural | Nov 16 06:37 |
| oiaohm | So my sister was laugh at me in the car for stating the insane. | Nov 16 06:37 |
| prurigro | and ask you why this has to be god, and couldn't be a product of the collective consciousness? | Nov 16 06:37 |
| oiaohm | Basically It has to be something. | Nov 16 06:38 |
| prurigro | I wouldn't never argue that it coudln't be something | Nov 16 06:38 |
| oiaohm | If its not god it some form of collective consciousous | Nov 16 06:38 |
| prurigro | I'd argue that it isn't necessarily something | Nov 16 06:38 |
| oiaohm | When You have something this wiered | Nov 16 06:39 |
| prurigro | and I'd say with almost complete certainty that you can't know what it is, in the end | Nov 16 06:39 |
| oiaohm | It feels better to pray to something. | Nov 16 06:39 |
| prurigro | well what you're talking about is sounding less and less like christianity | Nov 16 06:39 |
| prurigro | I was listening to this documentary on dogs a while ago | Nov 16 06:39 |
| prurigro | if you didn't know, they're more social than humans are | Nov 16 06:39 |
| oiaohm | I was a dog handler | Nov 16 06:40 |
| oiaohm | I know them very well. | Nov 16 06:40 |
| prurigro | they're capable of picking up on behaviours the precede a seizure based only on external cues before our most expensive brain scanning technology can | Nov 16 06:40 |
| prurigro | ok | Nov 16 06:40 |
| prurigro | well | Nov 16 06:40 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: what I am talking about with fate effects is also the holy spirt kind of effects. | Nov 16 06:40 |
| prurigro | I'm not sure if you've heard of this study | Nov 16 06:41 |
| prurigro | but stop me if you have | Nov 16 06:41 |
| oiaohm | I have | Nov 16 06:41 |
| prurigro | I haven't said it yet :) | Nov 16 06:41 |
| oiaohm | there are a lot of human cues | Nov 16 06:41 |
| prurigro | dogs get excited by the door before you come home | Nov 16 06:41 |
| oiaohm | Its like the horse that was a mind reader. | Nov 16 06:41 |
| prurigro | and they wanted to see what triggers it (smell, time etc) | Nov 16 06:41 |
| prurigro | so they took a bunch of dogs, and recorded them to see when they'd start getting excited by the door | Nov 16 06:42 |
| oiaohm | Did they test magnetics. | Nov 16 06:42 |
| prurigro | and what they found was that it couldn't possibly be the smell | Nov 16 06:42 |
| prurigro | since some owners worked across the city, and pretty much all the dogs would start getting excited around the same time as the owners made the decision to leave work | Nov 16 06:42 |
| prurigro | so they were fairly certain the dogs were just basing it on timing at that point | Nov 16 06:43 |
| oiaohm | Simplest way to stop that is stainless steal mesh earthed. prurigro | Nov 16 06:43 |
| prurigro | and to test, they got the owners to all shift when they'd leave work a few hours later in the day | Nov 16 06:43 |
| prurigro | and what they found, was that the dogs literally did not even seem to consider getting excited until long past their owners would have normally left | Nov 16 06:44 |
| prurigro | and only did when their owners made that mental decision to leave the office again | Nov 16 06:44 |
| oiaohm | Did they test magnetics with a faradays chage. | Nov 16 06:44 |
| prurigro | we're talking about you concluding that you're done for the day 20 miles away in a building | Nov 16 06:45 |
| oiaohm | Something we do with cattle working dogs. | Nov 16 06:45 |
| oiaohm | If you don't have them in a metal cage the will get worked up before you get there. | Nov 16 06:45 |
| prurigro | there's nothing in that spectrum beyond their owners thoughts | Nov 16 06:46 |
| oiaohm | I did not say I know how the dog is recieving it. | Nov 16 06:46 |
| prurigro | and the energy in your brain is not strong enough to reach that distance | Nov 16 06:46 |
| oiaohm | And I know it should not reach it. | Nov 16 06:46 |
| oiaohm | But I do know what blocks it. | Nov 16 06:46 |
| prurigro | well | Nov 16 06:47 |
| prurigro | say it is electro magnets | Nov 16 06:47 |
| oiaohm | Steal in a faradays cage setup blooks it as long as it prity fine mesh. prurigro | Nov 16 06:48 |
| prurigro | dogs would have needed to have evolved in a higher dimension than the 4th to be capable of connecting points to where they are at such huge distances | Nov 16 06:48 |
| prurigro | it blocks something that occurs in a room | Nov 16 06:48 |
| prurigro | as far as the activity level we output | Nov 16 06:49 |
| oiaohm | Basically your guess is as good as mime on fully how. | Nov 16 06:49 |
| prurigro | well | Nov 16 06:49 |
| oiaohm | I can only tell you what will stop it. | Nov 16 06:49 |
| oiaohm | You can guess why. | Nov 16 06:49 |
| prurigro | assuming that is what was causing it | Nov 16 06:49 |
| prurigro | even | Nov 16 06:49 |
| oiaohm | You don't want working dog half buggered because they were jupping up in down in a cage while you drove for 1 hour to where they are. | Nov 16 06:50 |
| prurigro | I mean, that's just as logical as having a direct connection to their owners quantum entangled brain at some higher dimension | Nov 16 06:50 |
| prurigro | neither operate in our understanding of the world | Nov 16 06:50 |
| oiaohm | But why would a fairdays cage block it prurigro | Nov 16 06:51 |
| prurigro | they block magnetic fields | Nov 16 06:51 |
| prurigro | but not necessarily the effect in this study | Nov 16 06:51 |
| oiaohm | Remember I am talking 1 hour drive at a 100 kms per hour. prurigro | Nov 16 06:51 |
| oiaohm | Most likely longer distance than the study you are talk about in that study. | Nov 16 06:52 |
| prurigro | since the conditions in that study were similar albeit different to the point where the same logic can't apply within our understanding of these systems | Nov 16 06:52 |
| oiaohm | The limit is about 100 kms. | Nov 16 06:52 |
| prurigro | what is your dog sensing though? | Nov 16 06:52 |
| prurigro | it could be any number of things | Nov 16 06:52 |
| oiaohm | That I don't know. | Nov 16 06:52 |
| oiaohm | I can tell you its about 100 kms from dog is there max. | Nov 16 06:52 |
| prurigro | you haven't found a seemingly reliable causal relationship | Nov 16 06:52 |
| oiaohm | A faradays cage blocks it. | Nov 16 06:53 |
| prurigro | you just know one of the frequencies the cage blocks bothers the dogs in a similar time period | Nov 16 06:53 |
| oiaohm | something electro magnetic is possible. | Nov 16 06:53 |
| oiaohm | but until you find exactly what it is there are stacks of other possiblities. | Nov 16 06:53 |
| prurigro | also consider: the cage might be enough of a change in environment to distract the dog from lower priority processes | Nov 16 06:53 |
| oiaohm | Thought of that. | Nov 16 06:54 |
| oiaohm | Not I said steal mess | Nov 16 06:54 |
| prurigro | those cages have seemingly fixed so called 'wifi' sensitive people | Nov 16 06:54 |
| oiaohm | I setup a equal with a meterial meshing. | Nov 16 06:54 |
| oiaohm | To be correct a non steal metal mesh. | Nov 16 06:55 |
| oiaohm | that had lower blocking effects | Nov 16 06:55 |
| prurigro | but I've heard of at least one case where it turned out they weren't actually exposed to wifi while they were 'suffering' prior to entering | Nov 16 06:55 |
| oiaohm | dog was detecting at about 50 kms instead of 100. | Nov 16 06:55 |
| oiaohm | Basically its area I have messed around with because it was part of my job to try to work it out. | Nov 16 06:56 |
| prurigro | are they outdoors? | Nov 16 06:56 |
| oiaohm | Cages are outdoors. | Nov 16 06:56 |
| prurigro | hmm | Nov 16 06:56 |
| oiaohm | Normal working dog cages. | Nov 16 06:56 |
| prurigro | seems very possible the cages are blocking the scent of their owners | Nov 16 06:57 |
| oiaohm | Not a 100 kms | Nov 16 06:57 |
| oiaohm | We had video suvalance. | Nov 16 06:57 |
| oiaohm | We knew exactly when the dogs started responding. | Nov 16 06:57 |
| prurigro | the best smelling human can know who enters an apartment building from their apartment many stories from the gorund | Nov 16 06:57 |
| prurigro | dogs can smell thousands of times better than the best smelling human | Nov 16 06:58 |
| oiaohm | 50 kms and 100 kms is kinda way too much. | Nov 16 06:58 |
| prurigro | as well as being able to isolate smells far better | Nov 16 06:58 |
| oiaohm | The chemicals will not last that long. | Nov 16 06:58 |
| prurigro | says who? | Nov 16 06:58 |
| prurigro | I can smell a pulp and paper factory 2 hours drive from my house every now and then | Nov 16 06:58 |
| prurigro | when the wind catches it in the right direction | Nov 16 06:58 |
| oiaohm | And the distance was the same no matter the weather. | Nov 16 06:58 |
| oiaohm | Ie wind direction was having no effect. | Nov 16 06:59 |
| prurigro | same time of day? | Nov 16 06:59 |
| oiaohm | This kind of work is all different times of day. | Nov 16 06:59 |
| prurigro | predetermined shifts? or whimsical> | Nov 16 07:00 |
| prurigro | ? | Nov 16 07:00 |
| oiaohm | More in the class of whimsical. | Nov 16 07:00 |
| prurigro | interesting | Nov 16 07:00 |
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| oiaohm | There was some predimerned those were people who would feed the dogs. | Nov 16 07:00 |
| oiaohm | But not take they out working. | Nov 16 07:00 |
| oiaohm | ie going out working is what excieted the dogs. | Nov 16 07:01 |
| oiaohm | getting to bite cattle is always fun for them. | Nov 16 07:01 |
| prurigro | lol | Nov 16 07:01 |
| prurigro | the farm honestly seems like the best place for a dog | Nov 16 07:01 |
| prurigro | dogs are a species that needs to feel useful, and we keep them around as decoration 90% of the time | Nov 16 07:02 |
| oiaohm | And you can understand why a working dog getting it self exected too soon would not be a good thing. | Nov 16 07:02 |
| oiaohm | So you spend a lot of time researching it. | Nov 16 07:02 |
| oiaohm | And the result kinda leaves you stuffed. | Nov 16 07:02 |
| prurigro | hmm, I found a really cool radio show on dogs that actually lead me to that study | Nov 16 07:02 |
| prurigro | rather | Nov 16 07:02 |
| prurigro | the radio show is on a completely different topic, and hosted by different people interested in that topic, each episode | Nov 16 07:03 |
| oiaohm | Because if dogs can pick up radio signal that weak. | Nov 16 07:03 |
| prurigro | but one particular episode was on dogs, and particularly the working dog | Nov 16 07:03 |
| prurigro | would you be interested in a link? | Nov 16 07:03 |
| oiaohm | Not really. | Nov 16 07:03 |
| oiaohm | Most likely stuff I had to read. | Nov 16 07:03 |
| oiaohm | By the ton. | Nov 16 07:03 |
| oiaohm | Being a dog handler is not a simple as job as it seams. | Nov 16 07:03 |
| prurigro | haha, well it was all the leading dog experts today | Nov 16 07:04 |
| oiaohm | Yes that is fine | Nov 16 07:04 |
| prurigro | and they were saying that as little as 10 years ago, everyone on the shelf of a bookstore was completely bs | Nov 16 07:04 |
| oiaohm | Until you find out there advice for cattle handling conflits with each other. | Nov 16 07:04 |
| prurigro | one of them owns a farm and has a single dog that pretty much exclusively manages it | Nov 16 07:05 |
| oiaohm | The quality of books on dogs has improved. | Nov 16 07:05 |
| oiaohm | But most of the books do not take into account the DNA effects. | Nov 16 07:05 |
| prurigro | species to species you mean? | Nov 16 07:06 |
| oiaohm | Dogs are born with particular temps that is what you have to work with. | Nov 16 07:06 |
| oiaohm | Work against it. The dog will not work with you at all. | Nov 16 07:06 |
| prurigro | the majority of the unwieldy ones being ones we've genetically engineered, of course | Nov 16 07:06 |
| oiaohm | Like half Australian dingo with kelppy | Nov 16 07:06 |
| oiaohm | Great endurance. | Nov 16 07:06 |
| oiaohm | Brian only works when food is on offer. | Nov 16 07:07 |
| oiaohm | Any other training method forget it. | Nov 16 07:07 |
| prurigro | haha, well food is pretty key for endurance | Nov 16 07:07 |
| oiaohm | I mean without food they can be that dumb they don't even know how to stop running. prurigro | Nov 16 07:07 |
| oiaohm | As soon as they see food common sence returns. | Nov 16 07:07 |
| oiaohm | Kelpy collee and black laborda cross. great strong dog will take a beating. | Nov 16 07:08 |
| oiaohm | This dog is majorally different. | Nov 16 07:09 |
| oiaohm | Food bribe don't even think about it. | Nov 16 07:09 |
| prurigro | oh interesting | Nov 16 07:09 |
| oiaohm | They are 100 percent loyal to there handler. | Nov 16 07:09 |
| oiaohm | As long as the handler does not attempt to bribe them. | Nov 16 07:10 |
| prurigro | so their rewards are purely based on the social spectrum then | Nov 16 07:10 |
| oiaohm | Petting them cooling them off with water and so on that bread likes. | Nov 16 07:10 |
| oiaohm | Yes dingo cross fastest way to piss them off is get them wet. | Nov 16 07:10 |
| prurigro | haha | Nov 16 07:11 |
| oiaohm | DNA of the dog really set how you must handle them. | Nov 16 07:11 |
| prurigro | true, they're much more spefic than the breeds humans have split off into | Nov 16 07:11 |
| oiaohm | It sets what they really hate and what they really like. | Nov 16 07:11 |
| prurigro | or their overall potential | Nov 16 07:11 |
| oiaohm | Basically its the mistake. | Nov 16 07:12 |
| prurigro | *terriers*cough | Nov 16 07:12 |
| oiaohm | Most books try treating all dogs the same. | Nov 16 07:12 |
| oiaohm | Now this is what gets people into really big trouble. | Nov 16 07:12 |
| prurigro | books also teach you to raise dogs like the dog whisperer corrects horrible dogs with | Nov 16 07:12 |
| prurigro | or the bad ones, at least | Nov 16 07:12 |
| oiaohm | Dog whispering also changes from bread to bread ab it. | Nov 16 07:13 |
| prurigro | ie: treating them like permanent children and acting as an authoritarian parent | Nov 16 07:13 |
| oiaohm | The tri cross I mentioned is the worse to attempt to dog whisper. | Nov 16 07:13 |
| prurigro | breeds? | Nov 16 07:14 |
| prurigro | you mean? | Nov 16 07:14 |
| oiaohm | Kelpy collee and black laborda cross This tri cross | Nov 16 07:14 |
| oiaohm | they are highly smart. | Nov 16 07:14 |
| prurigro | oh word | Nov 16 07:14 |
| oiaohm | They know the difference between good and bad. | Nov 16 07:15 |
| prurigro | and I suppose, like humans, the more intelligent, the less the authoritarian parent technique works? | Nov 16 07:15 |
| oiaohm | Yep | Nov 16 07:15 |
| oiaohm | They are more cooperation. | Nov 16 07:16 |
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| prurigro | hard not to draw a line to american politics from that one heh | Nov 16 07:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 16 07:16 |
| prurigro | and word, sounds like a good dog | Nov 16 07:16 |
| prurigro | I'm all for surrounding myself with as high an intelligence level as I can find | Nov 16 07:17 |
| prurigro | hmm, side note | Nov 16 07:17 |
| prurigro | www.youtube.com in firefox | Nov 16 07:17 |
| oiaohm | With working dogs you want ones with some brains when things go wrong. | Nov 16 07:18 |
| prurigro | does this redirect you to www.youtube.com/guide ? | Nov 16 07:18 |
| prurigro | and yea, no kidding | Nov 16 07:18 |
| prurigro | the guy on that show I was talking about | Nov 16 07:18 |
| prurigro | who owns the farm | Nov 16 07:18 |
| prurigro | said he was lying in a field at one point, unaware of a stampede heading towards him | Nov 16 07:18 |
| prurigro | and his dog, rather than manage the stampede like she was supposed to do, went and got him out of the way in the nick of time first | Nov 16 07:19 |
| oiaohm | No but I am using iceweasel the debain version of firefox not true firefox. | Nov 16 07:19 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: and a dingo cross in that case would have gone for the hills and said stuff you. | Nov 16 07:19 |
| prurigro | making a split second decision that could have made the end results of the physcial job for the worse, but saving the guy | Nov 16 07:19 |
| MinceR | prurigro: doesn't redirect | Nov 16 07:20 |
| prurigro | oh well, I'm not suing firefox either | Nov 16 07:20 |
| prurigro | in that respect | Nov 16 07:20 |
| prurigro | but yea, seems like the new google interface that everything's getting, except it doesn't let me login | Nov 16 07:20 |
| prurigro | and no other browsers seem to redirect here | Nov 16 07:20 |
| prurigro | weird | Nov 16 07:21 |
| prurigro | does youtube.com/guide work for you, on that note? | Nov 16 07:21 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: ie dingo cross great indurance not idea of keeping its master alive. | Nov 16 07:21 |
| prurigro | hmm, so the dingo woulda made a different decision on that instance? | Nov 16 07:21 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: the reason why you would never go out with just a pack of dingo crosses. | Nov 16 07:21 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: dingo crosses most likely would drive the cattle and not care about you who was fallen. | Nov 16 07:22 |
| prurigro | a pure dingo is wild correct? | Nov 16 07:22 |
| oiaohm | Not always | Nov 16 07:22 |
| prurigro | ahh hmm | Nov 16 07:22 |
| prurigro | interesting | Nov 16 07:22 |
| oiaohm | pure dingo not wild is harder to get. | Nov 16 07:22 |
| prurigro | I guess its just one of few dogs that 'can' be wild? | Nov 16 07:22 |
| oiaohm | You have to get the pup before its eyes open with a pure dingo. | Nov 16 07:23 |
| prurigro | hmm, similar to wolves the eh? | Nov 16 07:23 |
| oiaohm | First thing it sees it set loyity to. | Nov 16 07:23 |
| oiaohm | Pure dingo pup got that young is the most loyal dog you can get. | Nov 16 07:23 |
| prurigro | no kidding | Nov 16 07:23 |
| oiaohm | Will die before it will let harm happen to you. | Nov 16 07:24 |
| oiaohm | Yes this is what you call confusing. | Nov 16 07:24 |
| oiaohm | That the half bread basically has no clue of loyalty. | Nov 16 07:24 |
| prurigro | its just so imperative that you're there for that moment that it becomes a less frequent occurrence I guess? | Nov 16 07:24 |
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| oiaohm | prurigro: Yes that is why loyal dingos are rare. | Nov 16 07:25 |
| prurigro | it sounds like dingos are futher removed from the dog family than most dogs would be between eachother | Nov 16 07:25 |
| prurigro | if they operate like that | Nov 16 07:25 |
| prurigro | seems like mating would produce some pretty polarized results | Nov 16 07:25 |
| oiaohm | Note they are far enough way that all dingo crosses end up with a multated tail. | Nov 16 07:25 |
| prurigro | interesting | Nov 16 07:25 |
| oiaohm | A dingo has 1 less bone in a tail than a dog. | Nov 16 07:25 |
| prurigro | are they sterile too? | Nov 16 07:26 |
| oiaohm | No they can breed. | Nov 16 07:26 |
| prurigro | curious | Nov 16 07:26 |
| oiaohm | In a few generation the tail becomes normal dog. | Nov 16 07:26 |
| oiaohm | Ie dog dna is dominate. | Nov 16 07:26 |
| prurigro | well wait, are you talking about mating crosses with crosses? | Nov 16 07:26 |
| oiaohm | Its done hunting particular trates. | Nov 16 07:27 |
| oiaohm | Trying to get endurance and brains. | Nov 16 07:27 |
| oiaohm | And reduce the loyaty problem. | Nov 16 07:27 |
| oiaohm | Ie a pure dingo will only obey 1 master. | Nov 16 07:28 |
| oiaohm | For its complete life. | Nov 16 07:28 |
| prurigro | hmm | Nov 16 07:28 |
| prurigro | aren't they pack animals? | Nov 16 07:28 |
| prurigro | is the alpha female? | Nov 16 07:28 |
| prurigro | like wolves? | Nov 16 07:29 |
| oiaohm | Naturally they are not pack animals | Nov 16 07:29 |
| oiaohm | They will join up in temp packs to take down bigger creatures. | Nov 16 07:29 |
| prurigro | oh hm | Nov 16 07:29 |
| prurigro | but I could picture a family style chain of command going on in that respect | Nov 16 07:29 |
| prurigro | possibly closer to humans than even wolves | Nov 16 07:29 |
| prurigro | which I think is one of the species we're closest to | Nov 16 07:30 |
| oiaohm | Basically they are a different culture to dogs completely. | Nov 16 07:30 |
| oiaohm | Treating a dingo like a dog will get you into big trouble. | Nov 16 07:30 |
| prurigro | interesting | Nov 16 07:32 |
| oiaohm | And crossing them does bring dna culture shock.. | Nov 16 07:32 |
| prurigro | makes you wonder how much humans vary as to core social functioning | Nov 16 07:33 |
| oiaohm | More it makes me wonder is how much of a culture model is encoded in DNA. | Nov 16 07:33 |
| prurigro | well if you wanna talk about culture | Nov 16 07:34 |
| prurigro | apparently we're the only species that has event memory | Nov 16 07:34 |
| prurigro | which is likely the basis of all culture, for us | Nov 16 07:34 |
| prurigro | so, you could say 'very' for it in the same way dna encodes for language? | Nov 16 07:35 |
| oiaohm | I am not too sure of that with event memory. | Nov 16 07:35 |
| prurigro | no? | Nov 16 07:35 |
| oiaohm | Dogs seam to have prity good recall of any one that harmed them. | Nov 16 07:35 |
| prurigro | that's not event memory | Nov 16 07:35 |
| prurigro | that's fact memory | Nov 16 07:35 |
| prurigro | which can seem fairly similar until you start getting complex | Nov 16 07:35 |
| oiaohm | with the highly smart ones you can ask them where they were harmed and they can take you there. | Nov 16 07:36 |
| prurigro | that's also a fact | Nov 16 07:36 |
| oiaohm | The point I am making is a fact memory and event memory are releated. | Nov 16 07:36 |
| prurigro | fact memory, if recorded in the right way can get you pretty much all the important details of a situation without a virtual recording of that situation itself | Nov 16 07:36 |
| prurigro | even memory is a completely different structure | Nov 16 07:37 |
| prurigro | separate receptor type | Nov 16 07:37 |
| prurigro | that we've evolved to have | Nov 16 07:37 |
| oiaohm | Problem I have is how would you ask a dog a question to test event memory. | Nov 16 07:37 |
| prurigro | it gives us the ability to 'relive' a situation | Nov 16 07:37 |
| oiaohm | Dogs dream. prurigro | Nov 16 07:37 |
| prurigro | you check its brain to see if it has event neurons | Nov 16 07:37 |
| prurigro | dreams are generated experience | Nov 16 07:37 |
| prurigro | using information from memory | Nov 16 07:37 |
| prurigro | not memory itself | Nov 16 07:38 |
| prurigro | pictures are also memory | Nov 16 07:38 |
| oiaohm | My problem is that the receptor we have for event memory might not be the only way todo it. | Nov 16 07:38 |
| prurigro | you're right in that you can come up with something very similar | Nov 16 07:38 |
| prurigro | using purely factual memory | Nov 16 07:38 |
| prurigro | but we don't have to take dogs word for it | Nov 16 07:39 |
| oiaohm | Problem is you need a good way to ask creatures questions to test if they have event memory. | Nov 16 07:39 |
| prurigro | not all humans are born with this | Nov 16 07:39 |
| prurigro | though most are | Nov 16 07:39 |
| oiaohm | Of one form or another. | Nov 16 07:39 |
| prurigro | and if they lack the ability to remember like this, they also lack that receptor type | Nov 16 07:39 |
| prurigro | well in this case, we can ask another human :) | Nov 16 07:39 |
| prurigro | but touche | Nov 16 07:39 |
| oiaohm | prurigro: but its not always. | Nov 16 07:40 |
| prurigro | before I'd said that | Nov 16 07:40 |
| oiaohm | Even a person missing the receptor can sometimes pull it off using fact memory alone. | Nov 16 07:40 |
| prurigro | to reconstruct a scene and extrapolate additional information from it | Nov 16 07:40 |
| prurigro | you need event memory | Nov 16 07:40 |
| oiaohm | to be correct no. | Nov 16 07:40 |
| prurigro | fact memory only includes what you were able to take with you | Nov 16 07:40 |
| oiaohm | some people have used fact memory and short term memory to pull it off. | Nov 16 07:40 |
| prurigro | well in that respect, you'd never notice | Nov 16 07:41 |
| oiaohm | Ok not as good as quality as those with event memory. | Nov 16 07:41 |
| prurigro | someone who didn't have this ability | Nov 16 07:41 |
| prurigro | fact memory is more useful | Nov 16 07:41 |
| oiaohm | Problem is that it still works with fact memory that is common. | Nov 16 07:41 |
| prurigro | but event gives a tiny edge up, and a sense of connection to the past | Nov 16 07:41 |
| oiaohm | So having event memory does not make us special. | Nov 16 07:42 |
| prurigro | hmm example | Nov 16 07:42 |
| oiaohm | Just makes it simpler for us todo it. | Nov 16 07:42 |
| prurigro | how often do you know something, but have no idea when you learned it? | Nov 16 07:42 |
| oiaohm | Often. prurigro | Nov 16 07:42 |
| prurigro | it makes us special in that we romanticize past events, and therefore plan future events with how they'll be remembered after the fact in mind | Nov 16 07:43 |
| oiaohm | Remember I have like dyslexia in my memory at times. | Nov 16 07:43 |
| prurigro | makes time much more engrained in our behaviour than another species | Nov 16 07:43 |
| prurigro | I also have dyslexia in my memory | Nov 16 07:43 |
| prurigro | especially conceptually | Nov 16 07:43 |
| oiaohm | Its a pain in but. | Nov 16 07:43 |
| prurigro | two opposite concepts suddenly become euquivalent, or reversed | Nov 16 07:44 |
| prurigro | imperfections in thinking drive novel creativity though | Nov 16 07:44 |
| prurigro | so I'm glad for it | Nov 16 07:44 |
| oiaohm | Interesting one I did with a dingo cross was teaching it to carry out events based on time the dog was told. | Nov 16 07:44 |
| prurigro | anyway, yea, stuff you know, but can't remember how you know | Nov 16 07:44 |
| prurigro | is purely event memory | Nov 16 07:44 |
| oiaohm | Yes it could read a hand based clock. | Nov 16 07:44 |
| prurigro | stuff you know along with how you know it is both | Nov 16 07:45 |
| prurigro | remembering learning something, but not what it was you learned | Nov 16 07:45 |
| prurigro | is purely event :) | Nov 16 07:45 |
| oiaohm | Yes dog that can tell time because it was taught was funny. | Nov 16 07:45 |
| prurigro | cool | Nov 16 07:45 |
| oiaohm | Some of my dogs I taught some very strange things. | Nov 16 07:45 |
| prurigro | that's impressive | Nov 16 07:45 |
| prurigro | some humans can't do that lol | Nov 16 07:45 |
| oiaohm | This was my problem. | Nov 16 07:46 |
| oiaohm | Some of the things I got dogs doing humans had trouble with. | Nov 16 07:46 |
| oiaohm | Most of my dogs could count to about 20. | Nov 16 07:46 |
| prurigro | was that to keep track of animals? | Nov 16 07:46 |
| oiaohm | Could do addition and subtraction. | Nov 16 07:46 |
| oiaohm | Yep. prurigro | Nov 16 07:46 |
| prurigro | cool | Nov 16 07:46 |
| oiaohm | I would say I need 19 in X yard | Nov 16 07:47 |
| oiaohm | Or I would say I want 15 left in yard. | Nov 16 07:47 |
| oiaohm | and yes dog would get number corret. | Nov 16 07:47 |
| prurigro | arithmetic is frontal lobe stuff, so impressive on other species for handling that type of thing | Nov 16 07:47 |
| oiaohm | I could tell the dog 2 + 2 and do would get 4. | Nov 16 07:47 |
| oiaohm | And subtraction worked as well. | Nov 16 07:48 |
| prurigro | you probably made that dog's day | Nov 16 07:48 |
| oiaohm | divid and mult was out. | Nov 16 07:48 |
| oiaohm | Dog could not get the idea of divide or I just could not work out how to teach it a way dog would understand. | Nov 16 07:48 |
| prurigro | its funny, a lot of that documentary was talking about how we don't actually understand the full potential of what dogs are capable of yet | Nov 16 07:48 |
| prurigro | because we never expect them to be smart enough | Nov 16 07:49 |
| oiaohm | Proper dog handlers are like me. | Nov 16 07:49 |
| oiaohm | some humans make our dogs look bright. | Nov 16 07:49 |
| prurigro | sounds like you might be suitable for that movement | Nov 16 07:49 |
| prurigro | lol | Nov 16 07:49 |
| prurigro | those are always the ones who'd walk up to the dog and treat it like an idiot too | Nov 16 07:50 |
| oiaohm | Not always. | Nov 16 07:50 |
| oiaohm | I have had a few that treated dog with respect. | Nov 16 07:51 |
| oiaohm | Note up to 20 using verablal. | Nov 16 07:51 |
| prurigro | well, those people shouldn't remain dumb for too long | Nov 16 07:51 |
| oiaohm | Using sign laugage I have gone as high as 200. | Nov 16 07:51 |
| prurigro | nice | Nov 16 07:51 |
| prurigro | yea, apparently dogs are actually terrible at picking up audio cues | Nov 16 07:51 |
| oiaohm | And I cannot count cattle 100 percent correct in 200 lots. | Nov 16 07:52 |
| prurigro | (one of the other reasons we've yet to really know their potential) | Nov 16 07:52 |
| oiaohm | Yet the dogs could no trouble. | Nov 16 07:52 |
| prurigro | interesting | Nov 16 07:52 |
| prurigro | if you disabled your left hemisphere with an electromagnet | Nov 16 07:52 |
| oiaohm | Some areas they exceed us. | Nov 16 07:52 |
| prurigro | you'd be able to | Nov 16 07:52 |
| prurigro | our brain is powerful, but some parts end up limiting others | Nov 16 07:52 |
| oiaohm | That is the thing. | Nov 16 07:53 |
| oiaohm | Just because dog brain is more primative than ours does not mean particular areas of there brain is not limited | Nov 16 07:53 |
| prurigro | the limitations dogs have are likely an advantage | Nov 16 07:53 |
| prurigro | in other wasy | Nov 16 07:53 |
| oiaohm | where ours are limtied. | Nov 16 07:53 |
| prurigro | ways* | Nov 16 07:53 |
| prurigro | yea, like, we have the potential for everything | Nov 16 07:54 |
| prurigro | to some degree | Nov 16 07:54 |
| oiaohm | So we learn has handles to have respect for dogs. | Nov 16 07:54 |
| oiaohm | I had a dog that was smart enough to undo a his cage | Nov 16 07:54 |
| oiaohm | Let all the other dogs out | Nov 16 07:54 |
| oiaohm | Then lock himself back in. | Nov 16 07:54 |
| prurigro | haha | Nov 16 07:54 |
| oiaohm | and pretend he was the good dog. | Nov 16 07:55 |
| prurigro | tricky bastard | Nov 16 07:55 |
| cubezzz | rats can escape cages too | Nov 16 07:55 |
| oiaohm | He could also unlock padlocks with key. | Nov 16 07:55 |
| prurigro | damn | Nov 16 07:55 |
| oiaohm | Yes one very tricky dog. | Nov 16 07:55 |
| prurigro | almost sociopathic haha | Nov 16 07:55 |
| oiaohm | That was that tri cross breed. | Nov 16 07:55 |
| prurigro | oh interesting | Nov 16 07:55 |
| oiaohm | 100 percent had forwards planning. | Nov 16 07:56 |
| prurigro | did this happen more than once? | Nov 16 07:56 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Nov 16 07:56 |
| prurigro | not just forward planning | Nov 16 07:56 |
| prurigro | but theory of mind | Nov 16 07:56 |
| oiaohm | Until the dog was caught on video. | Nov 16 07:56 |
| prurigro | to an extremely complicated degree | Nov 16 07:56 |
| oiaohm | After caught he was locked in by padlock. | Nov 16 07:57 |
| prurigro | lol | Nov 16 07:57 |
| oiaohm | person had key lose in pocket | Nov 16 07:57 |
| prurigro | just like real evil geniuses | Nov 16 07:57 |
| oiaohm | and dog took key | Nov 16 07:57 |
| oiaohm | Without being noticed. | Nov 16 07:57 |
| prurigro | yo | Nov 16 07:57 |
| oiaohm | lets self out and repeated processed | Nov 16 07:57 |
| prurigro | just like hannibal! | Nov 16 07:57 |
| oiaohm | Failed to be able to put pad lock back on. | Nov 16 07:58 |
| oiaohm | but had hidden key so could get out next time. | Nov 16 07:58 |
| prurigro | this dog needs to help you catch the dog that wears female dog fur | Nov 16 07:58 |
| prurigro | hmmm | Nov 16 07:58 |
| prurigro | a stash | Nov 16 07:58 |
| prurigro | wow | Nov 16 07:58 |
| prurigro | smart is good | Nov 16 07:58 |
| prurigro | but smart and unloyal can be dangerous | Nov 16 07:59 |
| oiaohm | Also stubin. | Nov 16 07:59 |
| oiaohm | Almost killed self in a stare down competition with another dog. | Nov 16 07:59 |
| prurigro | lol | Nov 16 07:59 |
| prurigro | how so? | Nov 16 07:59 |
| oiaohm | Neither of them ate or drank for 3 days. | Nov 16 07:59 |
| prurigro | whaat | Nov 16 07:59 |
| oiaohm | Just stare and growl. | Nov 16 07:59 |
| prurigro | so the first to eat or drink was the unofficial competition loser? | Nov 16 08:00 |
| oiaohm | Yep. | Nov 16 08:00 |
| oiaohm | To be correct is the loser. | Nov 16 08:00 |
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| oiaohm | prurigro: way of sorting out rank without damaging each other basically. | Nov 16 08:02 |
| prurigro | interesting, I guess when you're a big dog you can't just be jumping and humping everything for power | Nov 16 08:02 |
| prurigro | I like big dogs for that reason | Nov 16 08:03 |
| prurigro | though pitt bulls are starting to move away from that | Nov 16 08:03 |
| prurigro | oh man, methinks its time to call it a night-- its been far too long since my last REM sleep session | Nov 16 08:04 |
| prurigro | good chat though, as I'm starting to know you for :) | Nov 16 08:05 |
| prurigro | so, that said- have a good night! @oiaohm | Nov 16 08:06 |
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| schestowitz | Any news? | Nov 16 14:34 |
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| schestowitz | He speaks to us mere peons :-) | Nov 16 14:37 |
| Faither | is this Clippy v2? xD | Nov 16 14:37 |
| MinceR | the correct term is "peanut gallery" | Nov 16 14:37 |
| Faither | it's nice that they already have a list of questions to pick from | Nov 16 14:38 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: WHAT are you talking about? Pass me some peants so I can toss em at cha! | Nov 16 14:41 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 16 14:41 |
| schestowitz | and jono] | Nov 16 14:41 |
| Faither | I'm still puzzled about the fact that the community needs a PR guy oO | Nov 16 14:42 |
| MinceR | the community doesn't | Nov 16 14:42 |
| Faither | well "community" in case of canonical ^^ | Nov 16 14:42 |
| MinceR | the company does | Nov 16 14:42 |
| MinceR | canonical has approximately nothing to do with any community | Nov 16 14:43 |
| MinceR | they have a vision, you see | Nov 16 14:43 |
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| Faither | and it's his job to sell the vision to its users | Nov 16 14:44 |
| schestowitz | Hmmm... Maybe I will buy a ticket for a birthday I'll be having along with a Xmas party at a hotel this year, the Midland Hotel. | Nov 16 14:45 |
| schestowitz | I turn 30 next month :-/ | Nov 16 14:45 |
| schestowitz | at least I don't lie (boo!) about my ages like some other people I know do | Nov 16 14:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | at least I don't lie (boo!) about my ages like some other people I know do | Nov 16 14:46 |
| schestowitz | Heh. Bug. | Nov 16 14:47 |
| schestowitz | Been a god day so far. Went to meet a professor who's a friend to help out with a charity he's setting up, then went to the Midland Hotel, then | Nov 16 14:47 |
| schestowitz | to UKFast and then met some friends, went practicing | Nov 16 14:47 |
| schestowitz | for the next rowing competition (I am most likely to win it unless some | Nov 16 14:47 |
| schestowitz | young talent emerges this year), then swimming for a while. It's still | Nov 16 14:47 |
| schestowitz | nice and sunny outside. | Nov 16 14:47 |
| Faither | nice ^^ we got pretty "Brittish" weather atm xD | Nov 16 14:48 |
| schestowitz | "looks cool. tryed lubuntu? ;) " | Nov 16 14:48 |
| schestowitz | http://joindiaspora.com/posts/826329 | Nov 16 14:48 |
| schestowitz | Faither: do you use kde? | Nov 16 14:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 16 14:48 |
| Faither | yes, I'm a kde user | Nov 16 14:48 |
| schestowitz | I used the latest lxde on Debian Squeeze. | Nov 16 14:48 |
| schestowitz | KDE rocks | Nov 16 14:48 |
| Faither | yes! | Nov 16 14:48 |
| schestowitz | I had a chance to drive a windows box for half an hour today | Nov 16 14:48 |
| schestowitz | It's so rubbish | Nov 16 14:49 |
| schestowitz | can't drag windows | Nov 16 14:49 |
| schestowitz | and they don't move smoothly | Nov 16 14:49 |
| schestowitz | It's like Linux ages ago | Nov 16 14:49 |
| schestowitz | like 10 years ago | Nov 16 14:49 |
| Faither | I'll have to fix another Winblows machine later.... | Nov 16 14:49 |
| Faither | And I'm not allowed to use the 14 minute fix of installing a distro xD | Nov 16 14:49 |
| schestowitz | "I was there and very pleased to see so many people interested in D* in Manchester." https://joindiaspora.com/posts/825298 | Nov 16 14:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 16 14:50 |
| Faither | is there a workable desktop client for D* yet? | Nov 16 14:51 |
| schestowitz | I lost track of the Manchester FOSS groups after the mailing lists folder had gotten buried too deep. Glad to be back... been on it for almost 10n years, on and off. | Nov 16 14:51 |
| Faither | you're 1 1/2 years older than I am btw xD | Nov 16 14:52 |
| Faither | anything planned? | Nov 16 14:52 |
| schestowitz | yeah, party | Nov 16 14:52 |
| schestowitz | Faither: good question about d* | Nov 16 14:53 |
| schestowitz | I asked this last night in a meeting | Nov 16 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Turns out that no, but... | Nov 16 14:53 |
| schestowitz | Any client using the standard interface could in theory, be configured to use the d* api | Nov 16 14:53 |
| Faither | telepathy is working on something I think | Nov 16 14:53 |
| schestowitz | And maybe there are mobile apps for it on their way | Nov 16 14:53 |
| schestowitz | cool, but isn't telepathy gtk-based? | Nov 16 14:54 |
| Faither | maybe on debian, not on arch we have telepathy for kde xD | Nov 16 14:54 |
| schestowitz | Italian ಠ_ಠ http://joindiaspora.com/posts/828194 | Nov 16 14:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 16 14:54 |
| schestowitz | Faither: aha | Nov 16 14:55 |
| Faither | ;-Þ | Nov 16 14:55 |
| schestowitz | http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-11-11/tech/30381380_1_credit-card-interchange-fees-paypal | Nov 16 14:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Empty reply from server ( http://articles.businessinsider.com/2011-11-11/tech/30381380_1_credit-card-interchange-fees-paypal ) | Nov 16 14:55 |
| schestowitz | strange idea those credit cards | Nov 16 14:55 |
| schestowitz | plastic for pay | Nov 16 14:55 |
| schestowitz | The other day I saw a card confiscated | Nov 16 14:55 |
| Faither | is paper any better? | Nov 16 14:56 |
| schestowitz | for credit card fraud | Nov 16 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Atb a phone shop | Nov 16 14:56 |
| Faither | lol | Nov 16 14:56 |
| schestowitz | Faither: elecronic means maybe | Nov 16 14:56 |
| schestowitz | or gold | Nov 16 14:56 |
| schestowitz | commodity :-) | Nov 16 14:56 |
| schestowitz | "I gives ya goat, you give me phone | Nov 16 14:56 |
| schestowitz | "No! one phone, 3 camel! ok?" | Nov 16 14:56 |
| schestowitz | and then they have a barn in the back | Nov 16 14:56 |
| schestowitz | their 'register[ | Nov 16 14:56 |
| schestowitz | With goats and camels | Nov 16 14:57 |
| Faither | ^^ | Nov 16 14:57 |
| schestowitz | alpacas | Nov 16 14:57 |
| *schestowitz spits | Nov 16 14:57 | |
| *Faither ducks | Nov 16 14:57 | |
| *MinceR lions and tigers | Nov 16 14:57 | |
| schestowitz | "hello, I'd like to buy a camel. I got 2 SIM cards... ok?" | Nov 16 14:57 |
| schestowitz | AT least a trade in real commodities | Nov 16 14:58 |
| schestowitz | Trading slaves, too | Nov 16 14:58 |
| schestowitz | That's how it used to go down | Nov 16 14:58 |
| Faither | ya.. | Nov 16 14:58 |
| schestowitz | The Dutch were "market leaders" | Nov 16 14:59 |
| schestowitz | So I heard | Nov 16 14:59 |
| schestowitz | From Jan W. | Nov 16 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Slave... made in China | Nov 16 14:59 |
| schestowitz | Literally | Nov 16 14:59 |
| schestowitz | All products are made there | Nov 16 14:59 |
| Faither | an Japan | Nov 16 14:59 |
| schestowitz | only fine stuff, I think | Nov 16 15:00 |
| schestowitz | are Japanese cars also still manufactured there? (all parts) | Nov 16 15:00 |
| Faither | You could exchange gold for silver for profit ^^ | Nov 16 15:00 |
| schestowitz | at what ratio? | Nov 16 15:00 |
| schestowitz | Heh. I have a gold ring, sitll | Nov 16 15:00 |
| Faither | don't know but silver was more expensive than gold in japan | Nov 16 15:00 |
| schestowitz | From my uncle Walter in Germany | Nov 16 15:01 |
| Faither | You have relatives in Germany? ^^ | Nov 16 15:01 |
| schestowitz | I think buying metals is now associated with loons | Nov 16 15:01 |
| schestowitz | People who are into apaocalyse | Nov 16 15:01 |
| schestowitz | and crazy theories | Nov 16 15:01 |
| schestowitz | And distrusting the government to the extreme | Nov 16 15:01 |
| schestowitz | BTW | Nov 16 15:01 |
| MinceR | metal jewelry still exists | Nov 16 15:01 |
| schestowitz | Big news here today is that youth unemployment reached new highs | Nov 16 15:01 |
| MinceR | many products are still made of metal :> | Nov 16 15:01 |
| schestowitz | Almost 1 million unemployed at ages 16-24 | Nov 16 15:02 |
| schestowitz | And some loomf or years... still on job seeking allowance (euphmism for welfare/benefit) | Nov 16 15:02 |
| schestowitz | Faither: passport too | Nov 16 15:03 |
| schestowitz | could swap for British, not much practical point to it | Nov 16 15:03 |
| Faither | xD | Nov 16 15:03 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: and minerals | Nov 16 15:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I hope it works for them. No composite client has ever worked really. Posty AIR client http://ur1.ca/5v48m became a mess too | Nov 16 15:03 | |
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| schestowitz | It's a way of connecting your body cells to something more scarce than flesh, then proclaim,"look at me! I'm worth so much!" | Nov 16 15:04 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 16 15:04 |
| schestowitz | Queen Viktor would understand | Nov 16 15:04 |
| schestowitz | Does he and his posse still rise around in Mercedes? | Nov 16 15:04 |
| MinceR | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/The_Six_Million_Dollar_Man | Nov 16 15:04 |
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| schestowitz | *ride | Nov 16 15:04 |
| MinceR | no, they always preferred audis, afaik | Nov 16 15:05 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Excellent talk about raising #children outside of any #religious or metaphysical system: #Parenting Beyond Belief http://ur1.ca/5v437 #CFI | Nov 16 15:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Kindle Fire source code released | !Android Central http://goo.gl/r6rUR | Nov 16 15:08 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Kindle Fire source code released | Android Central .::. Size~: 87.96 KB | Nov 16 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft Florian is mistakenly linked to in a Linux site :-) | Nov 16 15:15 |
| schestowitz | That first link points to a Microsoft lobbyist, who recently admitted Microsoft was paying him. His goal is simply to attack Android, smear IBM, he mass-mailed journalists to deceive them, and FOSS journalists learned to disregard him. | Nov 16 15:15 |
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| Faither | https://plus.google.com/u/0/110728175184575285439/posts/L3edE1huq8c | Nov 16 15:25 |
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| schestowitz | LOL | Nov 16 15:27 |
| schestowitz | editorial fail | Nov 16 15:27 |
| schestowitz | mother I would love to fail | Nov 16 15:27 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 16 15:28 |
| Faither | ^^ | Nov 16 15:28 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itwire.com/opinion-and-analysis/open-sauce/51150-linux-mint-chief-not-carried-away-by-success | Nov 16 15:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 16 15:29 |
| schestowitz | Linux Milf | Nov 16 15:29 |
| Kryczek | hah | Nov 16 15:29 |
| Kryczek | almost went "WHAT? WHERE?!" | Nov 16 15:30 |
| schestowitz | Or Mif 12 | Nov 16 15:30 |
| *Kryczek goes back to his Lesbian Linux | Nov 16 15:30 | |
| schestowitz | Or Milf gnome edition | Nov 16 15:30 |
| MinceR | that's Lesbian GNU/Linux | Nov 16 15:30 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 16 15:30 |
| Kryczek | MinceR: I considered writing it | Nov 16 15:30 |
| Kryczek | but I really, really cannot stand people adding GNU/ | Nov 16 15:30 |
| MinceR | isn't it a reference to Debian? | Nov 16 15:31 |
| MinceR | since they're both *bian | Nov 16 15:31 |
| schestowitz | Deb GNU/Linux | Nov 16 15:31 |
| Kryczek | yes I was talking about Debian | Nov 16 15:31 |
| schestowitz | :-) | Nov 16 15:31 |
| Kryczek | or whatever GNU/Linux usage | Nov 16 15:31 |
| MinceR | they do use "GNU/Linux" correctly | Nov 16 15:31 |
| schestowitz | DeDeb GNU/Linux | Nov 16 15:31 |
| Kryczek | MinceR: how so? | Nov 16 15:31 |
| schestowitz | The DebDeb OS is for a pair of the same | Nov 16 15:31 |
| MinceR | in that they do not only mention the name of the kernel in the name | Nov 16 15:31 |
| Kryczek | MinceR: but they don't mention Apache, MIT, BSD, Perl, ... | Nov 16 15:32 |
| schestowitz | GNU is not a licence | Nov 16 15:32 |
| Kryczek | so why confuse the general public who just came to realize that there was anything besides Windows on the PC | Nov 16 15:32 |
| MinceR | and you can probably install a working debian system without those | Nov 16 15:32 |
| Kryczek | with something impossible to pronounce | Nov 16 15:32 |
| schestowitz | Apache is not an OS | Nov 16 15:32 |
| Kryczek | schestowitz: yes sorry I was thinking of the GPL | Nov 16 15:32 |
| MinceR | so, since there's at least one person who couldn't tell the difference between m$ Word and m$ windows, we should call it Debian OpenOffice? | Nov 16 15:33 |
| Kryczek | but I stand my point | Nov 16 15:33 |
| Kryczek | not everything my Linux is made of is GNU | Nov 16 15:33 |
| MinceR | so? | Nov 16 15:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[aseigo/@aseigo] in Belgrade at the b-link conference. tonight starts small with about 25 people in the room .. more will arrive as the evening goes by. | Nov 16 15:33 | |
| Faither | -.- | Nov 16 15:33 |
| Kryczek | so why call it GNU? :) | Nov 16 15:33 |
| MinceR | because that's what it is | Nov 16 15:34 |
| Kryczek | I don't see why | Nov 16 15:34 |
| Faither | There have been entire novells written about this topic -.- | Nov 16 15:34 |
| Kryczek | 15:31 < MinceR> so, since there's at least one person who couldn't tell the difference between m$ Word and m$ windows, we should call it Debian OpenOffice | Nov 16 15:35 |
| Kryczek | I don't see how you get to OpenOffice but to follow your example | Nov 16 15:35 |
| Kryczek | MinceR: do you hear people saying Sun Java, Oracle Java etc? | Nov 16 15:36 |
| Kryczek | no, of course not, everybody calls it Java | Nov 16 15:36 |
| Faither | Yes, and GNU != Linux | Nov 16 15:36 |
| Kryczek | if somebody were to point out to me "you shouldnt say Java but Oracle Java" | Nov 16 15:36 |
| Kryczek | I'd think he's a jerk | Nov 16 15:36 |
| MinceR | Kryczek: actually, i do | Nov 16 15:37 |
| Kryczek | :> | Nov 16 15:37 |
| MinceR | Kryczek: but it's irrelevant | Nov 16 15:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !Fedora 16 Screenshots | Matias Kreder's Blog http://goo.gl/4gyZX !Xfce won't look that flash but I'll stick with it anyway :) | Nov 16 15:37 | |
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| MinceR | since in those cases it's a company name | Nov 16 15:37 |
| MinceR | a qualifier to "Java", for example | Nov 16 15:37 |
| Kryczek | Faither: if GNU != Linux then it should be GNU+Linux | Nov 16 15:37 |
| Kryczek | not / | Nov 16 15:37 |
| MinceR | in the case of GNU/Linux, GNU is not a qualifier for Linux | Nov 16 15:37 |
| Kryczek | with the / it looks like it | Nov 16 15:38 |
| MinceR | they did experiment with calling it GNU+Linux | Nov 16 15:38 |
| Kryczek | didnt know :) | Nov 16 15:38 |
| schestowitz | some still do | Nov 16 15:38 |
| schestowitz | but it became rare | Nov 16 15:38 |
| Kryczek | makes more sense | Nov 16 15:38 |
| MinceR | "/" was common in Unix names at a time and never meant a qualifier or company separator | Nov 16 15:38 |
| Faither | well you can also see the "/" as a part a part b | Nov 16 15:38 |
| Faither | or a+b | Nov 16 15:39 |
| Faither | whatever -.- | Nov 16 15:39 |
| Kryczek | for me it looks like Linux is a subset of GNU | Nov 16 15:39 |
| MinceR | in the case of "Sun Java", it's like this: "what kind of Java is it? Sun Java." but in the GNU/Linux, that does not stand. | Nov 16 15:39 |
| MinceR | it's not, it's just one of the kernels that you can use in GNU | Nov 16 15:39 |
| Kryczek | yes ok maybe my example was bad because indeed there are many Java's | Nov 16 15:39 |
| Kryczek | but anyway: VirtualBox | Nov 16 15:39 |
| MinceR | beside Mach or HURD and kFreeBSD | Nov 16 15:39 |
| MinceR | VirtualBox has many names now :> | Nov 16 15:40 |
| Kryczek | "Oracle VM VirtualBox" ? | Nov 16 15:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] What's On the Blacklist? Three Sites That SOPA Could Put at Risk | Electronic Frontier Foundation http://goo.gl/0Fxv4 | Nov 16 15:40 | |
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| Faither | but it's a product name; and you can call it by that | Nov 16 15:40 |
| MinceR | looks like they settled with "Oracle VM VirtualBox" | Nov 16 15:40 |
| Kryczek | anyway | Nov 16 15:40 |
| Kryczek | I guess we can only agree to disagree | Nov 16 15:41 |
| *MinceR shrugs | Nov 16 15:41 | |
| Kryczek | it's no big deal as long as people don't correct me (or other people) with "you should say *GNU/*Linux" | Nov 16 15:41 |
| Faither | Linux is nothing but a kernel and not a system, the system is in most cases GNU .... and this discussion is kind of pointless ^^ | Nov 16 15:41 |
| MinceR | it is more correct to say GNU/Linux | Nov 16 15:41 |
| Kryczek | it is more autistic | Nov 16 15:41 |
| MinceR | calling names isn't going to make you right, you know | Nov 16 15:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] If Etsy is at risk then the Internet really is Borked, because Etsy is the kind of service that gives the Internet its raison d'etre | Nov 16 15:42 | |
| Kryczek | I'm not calling you that :) | Nov 16 15:42 |
| Kryczek | I'm saying it's not helping Linux adoption | Nov 16 15:42 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter who you call "autistic", it does not apply | Nov 16 15:42 |
| Faither | Let's all agree to call it Bernd! | Nov 16 15:42 |
| MinceR | if you want to see why the GNU part is important, try using Android for the things you use GNU/Linux for :> | Nov 16 15:42 |
| Kryczek | MinceR: do you see yourself promoting an operating system so good you think everybody should switch to it | Nov 16 15:43 |
| Kryczek | but called PoopyPants OS ? | Nov 16 15:43 |
| MinceR | which part of "GNU" means "PoopyPants"? | Nov 16 15:43 |
| Kryczek | to me all of it | Nov 16 15:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] In fact, I really don't want to be part of an Internet that threatens Etsy. This has made me really angry. I'm close to swearing now | Nov 16 15:43 | |
| MinceR | you need to learn english, then | Nov 16 15:43 |
| MinceR | besides, nowadays i promote "Fedora" mostly | Nov 16 15:44 |
| MinceR | were it not for their mono dependence, i'd also promote "Debian GNU/Linux" | Nov 16 15:44 |
| MinceR | (note that's what they call their distro) | Nov 16 15:44 |
| Kryczek | why not just "Debian" ? :) | Nov 16 15:44 |
| MinceR | (and it distinguishes it from "Debian GNU/kFreeBSD") | Nov 16 15:44 |
| MinceR | i also promote GNU/Linux in general | Nov 16 15:44 |
| Kryczek | I know what you mean | Nov 16 15:45 |
| Kryczek | but I know that most people would have lost interest 1/3 into what you were saying | Nov 16 15:45 |
| MinceR | i'm sure their attention span depends on 3 letters and a slash (or plus) | Nov 16 15:46 |
| Kryczek | I'm happy when I get people to ask "oh wow it's so beautiful? Is that this Linux thing I keep hearing about?" | Nov 16 15:46 |
| MinceR | i guess for a user with such a short attention span it would be better to call out the distro | Nov 16 15:46 |
| MinceR | (so they can avoid stuff like suse and ubuntu :> ) | Nov 16 15:46 |
| Kryczek | "no actually it's Debian GNU/..." | Nov 16 15:46 |
| Kryczek | "Zzz" | Nov 16 15:46 |
| MinceR | "sort of" | Nov 16 15:47 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Who's Missing From Today's SOPA Hearing? A Short List | Electronic Frontier Foundation http://goo.gl/YIKuy | Nov 16 15:47 | |
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| MinceR | or "that's one thing people often call it, yes" | Nov 16 15:47 |
| Faither | the other thing | Nov 16 15:47 |
| Kryczek | your answer is correct | Nov 16 15:47 |
| Kryczek | but it would only confuse them more :) | Nov 16 15:47 |
| Kryczek | "yes" is simpler | Nov 16 15:47 |
| Kryczek | then maybe when they're really into it | Nov 16 15:47 |
| Kryczek | they'll learn what is kFreeBSD etc | Nov 16 15:48 |
| Faither | If i explain what system I'm running it's both, yes and the other thing xD | Nov 16 15:48 |
| MinceR | won't learning that Android is also Linux-based yet so different confuse them more? | Nov 16 15:48 |
| Faither | or no and the other thing xD | Nov 16 15:48 |
| Kryczek | MinceR: apparently not | Nov 16 15:48 |
| Faither | depending on how the conversation proceeds ^^ | Nov 16 15:48 |
| Kryczek | sometimes I even say the iPhone is based on Linux (yeah dont care about telling them the history of UNIX) | Nov 16 15:49 |
| MinceR | it won't necessarily pop up in the conversation, especially if you avoid mentioning GNU | Nov 16 15:49 |
| MinceR | that's even more wrong | Nov 16 15:49 |
| Kryczek | and then they say things like "oh wow Linux is really cool then! I should check it out on my computer too!" | Nov 16 15:49 |
| Kryczek | MinceR: I know, but imo it's helping better :) | Nov 16 15:49 |
| MinceR | i think it's lying and it can backfire | Nov 16 15:49 |
| Kryczek | true | Nov 16 15:49 |
| MinceR | (after all not everybody believes the hype about hypePhones and hypeOS) | Nov 16 15:50 |
| Kryczek | but the damage would be irrelevant once they like Linux | Nov 16 15:50 |
| Kryczek | MinceR: doesnt matter | Nov 16 15:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] #CC music curated w/online video producers in mind: Tracks to Sync, Nov 2011! at http://bit.ly/tIRj6w by @freemusicarchiv | Nov 16 15:50 | |
| Kryczek | "iPhone is Linux" "Android is Linux" "everything is Linux except Windows" | Nov 16 15:50 |
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| Faither | they might spread false information | Nov 16 15:50 |
| MinceR | might as well call windows "Linux" in case you know the user likes windows | Nov 16 15:50 |
| Kryczek | Faither: Microsoft does it so :) | Nov 16 15:50 |
| Kryczek | it's only fair | Nov 16 15:50 |
| Faither | Kryczek: good point ^^ | Nov 16 15:51 |
| MinceR | it might also discredit you in case the other person learns the truth later | Nov 16 15:51 |
| Kryczek | MinceR: no no, the idea is to show them that the world is not 99% Windows | Nov 16 15:51 |
| MinceR | you could say they're Unix-based | Nov 16 15:51 |
| Kryczek | MinceR: might or might not, but at least they'll have looked into Linux | Nov 16 15:51 |
| Kryczek | which is already a win | Nov 16 15:51 |
| Kryczek | since most people are just afraid of the unknown | Nov 16 15:51 |
| Kryczek | yes of course I say it's all Unix if the person is really interested | Nov 16 15:52 |
| MinceR | also, the dominance of Android means you don't even really need to refer to the hypePhone at all | Nov 16 15:52 |
| Kryczek | depends on the countries | Nov 16 15:52 |
| Kryczek | the iPhone is huge in France | Nov 16 15:52 |
| Kryczek | here in the UK it's the BlackBerry for some reason | Nov 16 15:52 |
| MinceR | you could say it's "Linux-based", like Android | Nov 16 15:52 |
| Kryczek | yeah | Nov 16 15:53 |
| Faither | cya l8r | Nov 16 15:57 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] What exactly is HMRC paying Capgemini billions for? - http://bit.ly/tmoJXS how do they get away with this? #uk | Nov 16 16:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #SOPA: All Your Internets Belong to US - http://bit.ly/tYlVKn fab headline, horrible truth | Nov 16 16:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @Tuinslak how's the hardware? | Nov 16 16:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @MarijkeRia Bedankt! Goed dat je terug bent :) | Nov 16 16:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @rubenslabbinck *knikt goedkeurend* | Nov 16 16:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: Daylight saving time only works for morning people. | Nov 16 16:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @t1mdp M-x wordt dan even je gsm naar achter hellen? | Nov 16 16:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @fs111 Pft. ;) | Nov 16 16:02 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 16 16:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Federico Mena-Quintero talks about the Document-Centric Desktop http://is.gd/VhR37D #gnome #gnu #linux | Nov 16 16:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Data Protection Directive revamp: UK looking sidelined? - http://bit.ly/tJV405 probably good #privacy | Nov 16 16:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Goodbye #Tibet? - http://bit.ly/uzC5Im a sad tale #china | Nov 16 16:22 | |
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| jono | hey schestowitz | Nov 16 16:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @normative Also <mumble mumble> counterfeits! Because firefighters! #SOPA | Nov 16 16:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Did the sponsors of the #SOPA #blacklist bill tell their staffers about its streaming provisions? https://eff.org/r.4G5 | Nov 16 16:38 | |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: hello | Nov 16 16:47 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: hi | Nov 16 16:47 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85365979 http://identi.ca/notice/85366384 http://identi.ca/notice/85366785 | Nov 16 16:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Nov-11 16:07:03 UTC - Identi.ca: Ilya Zhitomirskiy Online Tribute and Memorial Website http://ur1.ca/5u6v2 #diaspora | Nov 16 16:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] BTW if you want live tweeting of the crucial #SOPA hearing, follow @mmasnick | Nov 16 16:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Just learned that "Sopa" is the swedish word for "piece of garbage". #SOPA #apropos | Nov 16 16:50 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: Ilya Zhitomirskiy Online Tribute and Memorial Website | Respectance.com .::. Size~: 86.26 KB | Nov 16 16:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Nov-11 16:27:08 UTC - Identi.ca: As Zuccotti Park is Cleared, Congress Moves to Gut Financial Reform http://is.gd/Awc4Ir #economy #finance #us | Nov 16 16:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: As Zuccotti Park is Cleared, Congress Moves to Gut Financial Reform | Center for Media and Democracy .::. Size~: 51.24 KB | Nov 16 16:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Nov-11 16:34:51 UTC - Identi.ca: #Linux Market Share Majority http://is.gd/Z4XQmB #android | Nov 16 16:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: Android snaps up 52% of mobile phone market | News | TechRadar .::. Size~: 71.44 KB | Nov 16 16:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] November 16: American Censorship Day http://ur1.ca/5v6j9 | Nov 16 16:55 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @larryrusswurm Creation #humour comic. http://ur1.ca/5v6f7 | Nov 16 16:55 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: November 16: American Censorship Day [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 8.52 KB | Nov 16 16:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Creation Humour | The Many Rants of Larry Russwurm .::. Size~: 29.03 KB | Nov 16 16:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @StopActaNow @alexanderfowler MPAA rep tells Rep Lofgren #Mozilla and #Firefox should be regulated like drunk driving. #SOPA >>huh? | Nov 16 16:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Sonic the Hedgehog went OpenSource? http://ur1.ca/5v6mp #sonic #opensource | Nov 16 16:57 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Hippofield .::. Size~: 6.1 KB | Nov 16 16:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] ‘MyUnity’ Is a Small, Simple Unity Tweaking Tool http://ur1.ca/5ugkx #ubuntu | Nov 16 16:58 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: ‘MyUnity’ Is a Small, Simple Unity Tweaking Tool .::. Size~: 33.47 KB | Nov 16 16:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @laurelrusswurm Just learned that "Sopa" is the swedish word for "piece of garbage". #SOPA #apropos | Nov 16 17:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] ♺ @sazius: For non-USA people like me, one can at least sign this petition: http://ur1.ca/5ut2q | Nov 16 17:00 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Avaaz - Save the Internet .::. Size~: 31.38 KB | Nov 16 17:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Maximizing possibilities @CityCampMN by @denstill from @GovDelivery | http://red.ht/tbeBDI #citycamp | Nov 16 17:02 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Maximizing possibilities at CityCampMN | opensource.com .::. Size~: 48.86 KB | Nov 16 17:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] Indeed it is. I chuckle a bit almost every time. :-) | Nov 16 17:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody RT @StopActaNow @alexanderfowler MPAA rep tells Rep Lofgren #Mozilla and #Firefox should be regulated like drunk driving. ... | Nov 16 17:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody RT @StopActaNow @alexanderfowler MPAA rep tells Rep Lofgren #Mozilla and #Firefox should be regulated like drunk driving. ... | Nov 16 17:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody BTW if you want live tweeting of the crucial #SOPA hearing, follow @mmasnick | Nov 16 17:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MT @mmasnick Disappointed with Google's argument that the killing of Wikileaks is a good example of how to deal with rogue websites.>>#fail | Nov 16 17:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @eff Did the sponsors of the #SOPA #blacklist bill tell their staffers about its streaming provisions? https://eff.org/r.4G5 | Nov 16 17:12 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: dkesh comments on American Censorship Day - Stand up for ████ ███████ .::. Size~: 186.85 KB | Nov 16 17:12 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] RT @glynmoody 3.75 Million Lawbreaking Parents - http://bit.ly/ruIoEL great piece about a stupid law | Nov 16 17:13 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The Laboratorium: 3.75 Million Lawbreaking Parents .::. Size~: 28.16 KB | Nov 16 17:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] http://ur1.ca/5v79f | Nov 16 17:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody MT @mmasnick Disappointed with Google's argument that the killing of Wikileaks is a good example of how to deal with rogue ... | Nov 16 17:15 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: SOPA Gives Me Powers That I Don't Want | Techdirt .::. Size~: 255.13 KB | Nov 16 17:15 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Foraging with John Paterson, Elisabeth Luard, and René Redzepi : The New Yorker - #nature #food http://goo.gl/HM0Po | Nov 16 17:27 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Foraging with John Paterson, Elisabeth Luard, and René Redzepi : The New Yorker .::. Size~: 184.02 KB | Nov 16 17:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] MT @mmasnick @EFFLive: Google: If we are forced to block Russian and Chinese websites under #SOPA, they will retaliate & block ours. | Nov 16 17:33 | |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85367584 http://identi.ca/notice/85367561 http://identi.ca/notice/85367504http://identi.ca/notice/85367487 http://identi.ca/notice/85367487 | Nov 16 17:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Nov-11 16:54:43 UTC - Identi.ca: #Linux 3.2-rc2 Kernel Doesn't Bring Too Much Churn http://ur1.ca/5v4on #kernel | Nov 16 17:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: [Phoronix] Linux 3.2-rc2 Kernel Doesn't Bring Too Much Churn .::. Size~: 16.62 KB | Nov 16 17:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Nov-11 16:53:43 UTC - Identi.ca: Updated: Hollywood and Congress Target #Mozilla http://ur1.ca/5tza7 | Nov 16 17:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: Updated: Hollywood and Congress Target Mozilla - ReadWriteCloud .::. Size~: 48.74 KB | Nov 16 17:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a dent? | Nov 16 17:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Nov-11 16:51:30 UTC - Identi.ca: There's A Patent Issue With Open-Source #Doom 3 http://ur1.ca/5v6hf #swpats | Nov 16 17:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: [Phoronix] There's A Patent Issue With Open-Source Doom 3 .::. Size~: 19.14 KB | Nov 16 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | of course there's a patent issue with Doom 3, at least indirectly | Nov 16 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | it makes extensive use of s3tc | Nov 16 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | and the ati extensions to s3tc | Nov 16 17:39 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85367437 http://identi.ca/notice/85365052 http://identi.ca/notice/85364744 http://identi.ca/notice/85363608 http://identi.ca/notice/85363367 | Nov 16 17:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Nov-11 16:50:41 UTC - Identi.ca: Join the FSF on American #Censorship Day http://ur1.ca/5v6fx #fsf | Nov 16 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | "John Carmack, the founder of id Software and well known open-source advocate, tweeted tonight, "Lawyers are still skittish about the patent issue around "Carmack's reverse", so I am going to write some new code for the doom3 release." | Nov 16 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Identica is being a broken piece of garbage, still | Nov 16 17:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: Join the FSF on American Censorship Day | Ubuntu Manual .::. Size~: 48.16 KB | Nov 16 17:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Nov-11 15:32:43 UTC - Identi.ca: #LinuxMint Finds Success http://ur1.ca/5v4wd | Nov 16 17:39 |
| schestowitz | Very annoying | Nov 16 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | ok, so what's the problem? | Nov 16 17:39 |
| DaemonFC | It's nice of John Carmack to write new code so that he can open source an engine id has no further use of | Nov 16 17:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 16 17:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Nov-11 15:25:11 UTC - Identi.ca: Fav Distro (nov '11) http://ur1.ca/5v4rp vote now and see the results so far. #gnu #linux | Nov 16 17:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody MT @mmasnick @EFFLive: Google: If we are forced to block Russian and Chinese websites under #SOPA, they will retaliate & b ... | Nov 16 17:40 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: Fav Distro (nov '11) | tuxmachines.org .::. Size~: 29.22 KB | Nov 16 17:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Nov-11 14:41:09 UTC - Identi.ca: The Linux Foundation Announces Four New Members from Around the Globe http://is.gd/LZNbhO #linux #kernel | Nov 16 17:40 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Nov-11 14:32:31 UTC - Identi.ca: Mozilla Adopts Real Life Firefoxes to Celebrate 7th Birthday http://is.gd/gDmPsK #mozilla #firefox | Nov 16 17:40 |
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| DaemonFC | it shows he's serious about wanting to GPL his work, to the point where he'll do it even if it's more work than tossing a bundle of code over the wall | Nov 16 17:40 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85367561 | Nov 16 17:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Nov-11 16:53:43 UTC - Identi.ca: Updated: Hollywood and Congress Target #Mozilla http://ur1.ca/5tza7 | Nov 16 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | "The release of the Doom 3 / id Tech 4 source-code will immediately make it one of the most advanced open-source games available for Linux and other platforms. It's expected the code -- like earlier id Software code drops -- will be under the GNU GPL." | Nov 16 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | The engine itself is from 2004, but it was a very advanced engine by the standards of 2004 | Nov 16 17:42 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85367504 | Nov 16 17:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: Updated: Hollywood and Congress Target Mozilla - ReadWriteCloud .::. Size~: 49.14 KB | Nov 16 17:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Nov-11 16:52:06 UTC - Identi.ca: New Comments By Ryan Gordon On Linux Gaming, Drivers http://ur1.ca/5v5d0 #linux | Nov 16 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | only working at a playable frame rate under the very best GPUs of the time | Nov 16 17:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: [Phoronix] New Comments By Ryan Gordon On Linux Gaming, Drivers .::. Size~: 18.43 KB | Nov 16 17:42 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85367487 | Nov 16 17:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Nov-11 16:51:30 UTC - Identi.ca: There's A Patent Issue With Open-Source #Doom 3 http://ur1.ca/5v6hf #swpats | Nov 16 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | it still has issues running under pretend GPUs | Nov 16 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | like Intel | Nov 16 17:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: [Phoronix] There's A Patent Issue With Open-Source Doom 3 .::. Size~: 19.14 KB | Nov 16 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | last I heard, on Intel's "best" integrated GPUs, you're lucky to squeeze 25 fps out of Doom 3 | Nov 16 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | their hardware is only barely usable for gaming | Nov 16 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | it will run a modern composited desktop fine, just don't push it | Nov 16 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | that's why I mentioned on Phoronix that Intel advancing classic Mesa doesn't really help anyone | Nov 16 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of their code contributions are only usable on their own hardware, which is god awful crap | Nov 16 17:44 |
| DaemonFC | I have an idea that they don't actually want their code contributions to work for anyone else | Nov 16 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | which is why they won't use Gallium3D | Nov 16 17:45 |
| DaemonFC | if they did, some of their work may also benefit AMD customers | Nov 16 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | if they use junk that everyone else abandoned and extend it, the results are only useful to Intel customers | Nov 16 17:46 |
| DaemonFC | I think Classic Mesa is only still around at all due to political reasons in Intel's management | Nov 16 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | they bloat the entire Mesa stack by being the only users of Classic Mesa core code | Nov 16 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | and refusing to get rid of it | Nov 16 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | they hold back yet another free software project while claiming to support open source | Nov 16 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | this situation is hardly better than Microsoft, hv, and Linux | Nov 16 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | self serving crap that isn't useful to any users that haven't paid Intel for something | Nov 16 17:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[agentsmith/@agentsmith] Gr8!!! Open Sonic Gameplay!!! Btw, Sonic was always my favorite! http://bit.ly/sD9Uv7 | Nov 16 17:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @mmasnick Rep. Poe "stealin' is stealin' and we have to deal with that" #sopa >>oh, come *on*, Mr Sophisticated Analysis | Nov 16 17:48 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Open Sonic Gameplay - YouTube .::. Size~: 82.24 KB | Nov 16 17:48 |
| DaemonFC | Intel gets a lot of attention on Phoronix where they shouldn't | Nov 16 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | instead of being credited to improving Mesa, they should be credited with improving parts of it that only they use | Nov 16 17:49 |
| DaemonFC | the situation is so bad that Google is writing the next generation Intel open source driver with no help from Intel other than hardware documentation that has been around for a long time | Nov 16 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | Did I mention I really hate Intel? | Nov 16 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not sure I ever did | Nov 16 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 16 17:50 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: What's yours is ours and what's ours is ours. -Intel | Nov 16 17:53 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 16 17:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fedora/@fedora] Take a look at The Register's coverage of @Fedora 16: http://2tu.us/3lp4 @regvulture | Nov 16 17:53 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Fedora 16 goes final with cloud and virtualization • The Register .::. Size~: 26.87 KB | Nov 16 17:54 |
| schestowitz | Intel does worse crimes | Nov 16 17:54 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Intel_Crimes_and_Offences | Nov 16 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | It's good that Intel hardware works great with Linux, the more hardware that works great with Linux, the better, regardless what it is or whose it is | Nov 16 17:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Intel Crimes and Offences - Techrights .::. Size~: 16.28 KB | Nov 16 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | actively going out of your way to make sure nobody benefits from your open source code is petty and slimy | Nov 16 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Wow. Our pagerank is higher than http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=SourceWatch | Nov 16 17:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: SourceWatch .::. Size~: 50.08 KB | Nov 16 17:55 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Main_Page os PR7 | Nov 16 17:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Main Page - Techrights .::. Size~: 39.38 KB | Nov 16 17:55 |
| DaemonFC | if every company that committed code to open source had Intel's attitude, there wouldn't be any viable open source projects on the scale of Linux | Nov 16 17:55 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: Intel halps Linux so that Linux users (server admins) buy Intel and not others' products | Nov 16 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | right | Nov 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | That's how "altruistic" Intel is | Nov 16 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | but they have a scorched earth policy | Nov 16 17:56 |
| schestowitz | There are enoyg fools to fall for Intel PR | Nov 16 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | of "I'll be damned if anyone else will ever have a use for my stuff" | Nov 16 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | AMD doesn't | Nov 16 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of open source divisions in companies don't do that | Nov 16 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | Intel does | Nov 16 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | if I can't use it, nobody else will *torches it and walks away* | Nov 16 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | they've been known to do that occasionally too | Nov 16 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | it sets back progress for everyone, including Intel, when they duplicate effort like this | Nov 16 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | whether they want to admit it or not | Nov 16 17:59 |
| DaemonFC | when they make something like GEM, they have to take ownership of the whole thing because nobody else can use GEM | Nov 16 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | they designed GEM that way on purpose | Nov 16 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | even though it can't do much that TTM couldn't do already | Nov 16 18:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @SinkDeep follow the money approach? like… tracking who pays politicians for lie? I LIKE THAT! #sopa >>my thoughts exactly | Nov 16 18:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @StopActaNow SCORE! this REP just quote a chunk of early #ACTA version "aids, albeits, encourage…blah blah blah" #sopa #lobbytomy | Nov 16 18:00 | |
| DaemonFC | now whenever Intel wants to improve or maintain GEM, they have to have paid Intel employees do it all | Nov 16 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | if they had used TTM, the resources they would have to expend to maintain it would have been far smaller | Nov 16 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | Intel has a lot of money, they don't seem to think they need to care about efficiency or deduplication of effort in anything they do | Nov 16 18:02 |
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| DaemonFC | so it creates a proliferation of crap that only works on Intel | Nov 16 18:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I don't know. Different copyright laws did you use *this* link ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y_kkb2nPYVY | Nov 16 18:02 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 404 Not Found | Nov 16 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | even though it's entirely redundant | Nov 16 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | it also means that if Intel ever decides to pull its support for its own products on Linux, they have a danger of being dropped | Nov 16 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | because none of the code to support them was shared with anyone else's | Nov 16 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | they've managed to create an uncertainty with their open source stuff that typically only exists in proprietary software | Nov 16 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | *could* someone pick up maintainer status where Intel leaves off? sure | Nov 16 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | a better question is "who would?" | Nov 16 18:04 |
| DaemonFC | if AMD decided to call it quits, most of what it takes to run their cards is already part of the Gallium3D core anyway | Nov 16 18:05 |
| DaemonFC | it would stand a far better chance of at least remaining functional | Nov 16 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | The BSD attitude has already created a driver and framework soup that makes Linux look tidy in comparison | Nov 16 18:06 |
| DaemonFC | by encouraging companies to dump whatever they feel like on them whenever they want | Nov 16 18:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Wednesday's security updates http://ur1.ca/5v8un | Nov 16 18:07 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Wednesday's security updates [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 7.94 KB | Nov 16 18:07 |
| DaemonFC | if the BSD people don't do something soon, even the limited support they had for radeons will have to be scuttled | Nov 16 18:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Okay, good to know. There are many US sites that block Canadians #DRM ... i just assumed a YouTube takedown would be system wide. | Nov 16 18:12 | |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 16 18:16 |
| azalyn | BSD users think their stuff is superior. | Nov 16 18:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Occupy Wall Street is Another #NWO(NEW AGE) Uprising - YouTube #ows http://goo.gl/RvjHe | Nov 16 18:17 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Occupy Wall Street is Another NWO(NEW AGE) Uprising - YouTube .::. Size~: 95.68 KB | Nov 16 18:17 |
| DaemonFC | http://img714.imageshack.us/img714/6168/snapshot20m.png | Nov 16 18:17 |
| azalyn | they're quite arrogant in my limited experience with them. | Nov 16 18:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/png type | Nov 16 18:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] A fost creată bateria care ţine în viaţă telefonul pentru o săptămână http://ur1.ca/5v9q2 #mobile #hardware #power #romania | Nov 16 18:22 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: A fost creată bateria care ţine în viaţă telefonul pentru o săptămână dcnews.ro .::. Size~: 55.22 KB | Nov 16 18:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Occupy Newfoundland and Labrador: Bill !C11 Information Round-Up http://ur1.ca/5v9th !CDNpoli #OWS !CANADA !Copyright !BAD | Nov 16 18:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @evan Oh no. It's sad-Jimmy time again on #wikipedia. | Nov 16 18:27 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Occupy Newfoundland and Labrador: Bill C-11 Information Round-Up .::. Size~: 71.66 KB | Nov 16 18:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Internet Censorship: Not Today, Not Tomorrow http://ur1.ca/5va3c #us #censorship #freedom #politics #sopa #internet | Nov 16 18:32 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: SaveTheInternet.com | Internet Censorship: Not Today, Not Tomorrow .::. Size~: 11.67 KB | Nov 16 18:32 |
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| *_Goblin (~goblin@94-193-188-104.zone7.bethere.co.uk) has joined #techrights | Nov 16 18:35 | |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to _Goblin | Nov 16 18:36 | |
| schestowitz | Hi _Goblin | Nov 16 18:37 |
| _Goblin | hi! | Nov 16 18:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] American Censorship Day http://ur1.ca/5qk5a #us #censorship #freedom #politics #sopa #internet | Nov 16 18:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Hurricane Electric offering free online training courses for HTML, CSS, PHP, Ruby, Python, etc: http://code.he.net/ | Nov 16 18:37 | |
| schestowitz | How goes it? | Nov 16 18:37 |
| _Goblin | not bad.....got on a little earlier tonight! | Nov 16 18:37 |
| _Goblin | and had time to type out a post! | Nov 16 18:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: American Censorship Day November 16 - Join the fight to stop SOPA .::. Size~: 24.35 KB | Nov 16 18:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Hurricane Electric Interactive Programming .::. Size~: 5.15 KB | Nov 16 18:38 |
| _Goblin | B'rendan? | Nov 16 18:38 |
| _Goblin | seriously? | Nov 16 18:38 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, I saw... | Nov 16 18:38 |
| _Goblin | well.... | Nov 16 18:38 |
| _Goblin | on the basis that he can read the logs..... | Nov 16 18:38 |
| schestowitz | yesterday I went to a diaspora meetup | Nov 16 18:39 |
| schestowitz | Quit a few users around here | Nov 16 18:39 |
| schestowitz | *Quite | Nov 16 18:39 |
| schestowitz | you see https://joindiaspora.com/posts/828515 | Nov 16 18:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 16 18:39 |
| riddic-ArmBox | interesting read, IMO: https://plus.google.com/u/0/114765095157367281222/posts/ZqPvFwdDLPv | Nov 16 18:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Chris DiBona - Google+ - Sometimes I read an article about open source that drives… .::. Size~: 86.24 KB | Nov 16 18:40 |
| _Goblin | Seen about Socl | Nov 16 18:40 |
| _Goblin | ? | Nov 16 18:40 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] RT @fedora Take a look at The Register's coverage of @Fedora 16: http://2tu.us/3lp4 @regvulture | Nov 16 18:40 | |
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| _Goblin | Microsoft can't even run a blogging service..how does it hope to entice people to its latest scheme? | Nov 16 18:40 |
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| _Goblin | Sorry.....Apparently its masons only. | Nov 16 18:45 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/828194 "Do you not like italian?" | Nov 16 18:47 |
| schestowitz | How rude... | Nov 16 18:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 16 18:47 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/11/15/1821238/doj-violating-a-sites-tos-is-a-crime?utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed | Nov 16 18:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: DOJ: Violating a Site's ToS Is a Crime - Slashdot .::. Size~: 234.15 KB | Nov 16 18:49 |
| schestowitz | weird | Nov 16 18:49 |
| schestowitz | maybe good for the next episode to discuss | Nov 16 18:49 |
| _Goblin | theres quite a few topics to go over I think...... | Nov 16 18:50 |
| _Goblin | I'm aiming for a sunday show if thats ok with you | Nov 16 18:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] Last week's #LinuxTrivia winner is @fcambus. Congratulations! This week's question coming at you in about 15 min: http://bit.ly/vZrf23 | Nov 16 18:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Obfuscated code contest returns (Network World): http://bit.ly/uohCG0 | Nov 16 18:50 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 16 18:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Obfuscated code contest returns .::. Size~: 122.37 KB | Nov 16 18:50 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85370855 | Nov 16 18:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Nov-11 18:26:41 UTC - Identi.ca: #CentOS 6 Linux, A First Look http://ur1.ca/5v9yn #linux | Nov 16 18:51 |
| schestowitz | riddic-ArmBox: thanks. Shared.. http://identi.ca/notice/85371581 | Nov 16 18:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: CentOS 6 Linux, A First Look | ZDNet UK .::. Size~: 53.58 KB | Nov 16 18:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Wednesday, 16-Nov-11 18:45:15 UTC - Identi.ca: "Sometimes I read an article about open source that drives me nuts" http://is.gd/1RxO33 #malware #fud | Nov 16 18:51 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Android snaps up 52% of mobile phone market http://ur1.ca/5v65a #phone #mobile #android #gnu #linux #business | Nov 16 18:53 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Android snaps up 52% of mobile phone market | News | TechRadar .::. Size~: 71.48 KB | Nov 16 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | I got my revenge on the NPC that attacked me | Nov 16 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer destroyed an enemy base in War Commander! | Nov 16 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | The only good Rogue Faction is a dead Rogue Faction. | Nov 16 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 16 18:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9221776/AMD_s_16_core_Opteron_chips_arrive_after_wait | Nov 16 19:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: AMD's 16-core Opteron chips arrive after wait - Computerworld .::. Size~: 131.85 KB | Nov 16 19:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Articol scris de Tudor, în vârstă de 16 ani http://ur1.ca/5varq #romania #monarchy #europe #royal | Nov 16 19:00 | |
| schestowitz | that might be Vista 8-capable :-) | Nov 16 19:00 |
| schestowitz | to run Metro Tils 8 | Nov 16 19:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Articol scris de Tudor, în vârstă de 16 ani « Romania. Altfel .::. Size~: 8.7 KB | Nov 16 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | http://img580.imageshack.us/img580/1232/snapshot21c.png | Nov 16 19:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/png type | Nov 16 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/9553/snapshot22g.png | Nov 16 19:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/png type | Nov 16 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 16 19:01 |
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| ender2070 | I was unbanned | Nov 16 19:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] http://ur1.ca/5vavc #sip_and_click | Nov 16 19:02 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.marketwatch.com/story/penguin-computing-selects-dot-hill-storage-for-high-performance-computing-solutions-2011-11-14 | Nov 16 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Penguin Computing Selects Dot Hill Storage for High-Performance Computing Solutions - MarketWatch .::. Size~: 86.43 KB | Nov 16 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | now I'm sweaty like sweatyb | Nov 16 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 16 19:02 |
| schestowitz | But it's Indianan winter | Nov 16 19:03 |
| schestowitz | I bet you cat provides the Ballmer smell | Nov 16 19:03 |
| ender2070 | _goblin I told Roy yesterday I would be good in here, no personal attacks | Nov 16 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | even on the Reptilian Underground FreeMason Empire Shadow Government | Nov 16 19:04 |
| ender2070 | yes, even those people will be safe here | Nov 16 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Continuity_of_government#United_States | Nov 16 19:06 |
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| ender2070 | prurigro is really cool, good chap to talk with | Nov 16 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | A large part of Fallout 3 took place at a fictional representation of the Raven Rock compound | Nov 16 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | but such a place really exists | Nov 16 19:06 |
| schestowitz | http://ur1.ca/5qk5a | Nov 16 19:06 |
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| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Raven_Rock_Mountain_Complex | Nov 16 19:07 |
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| ender2070 | daemonfc - not surprising | Nov 16 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | a counterpart to Cheyenne Mountain, which is the operational center for NORAD and the SAC in time of war | Nov 16 19:08 |
| ender2070 | and where they keep the stargate | Nov 16 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Nov 16 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | and of course Area 51 where they keep confiscated alien technology | Nov 16 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | much of it stolen from the system lords | Nov 16 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 16 19:08 |
| ender2070 | heh | Nov 16 19:08 |
| ender2070 | the real area 51 imo is just advanced military tech | Nov 16 19:09 |
| ender2070 | im sure the alien stuff scared the pants off the public and their perceived enemies | Nov 16 19:09 |
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| ender2070 | "Our government is the most advanced in the world, we have alien tech" and "comrade, comrade, das capitalists has alien technology!" | Nov 16 19:10 |
| _Goblin | sorry I was afk | Nov 16 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | the "Area 51" "Groom Lake" facility is a research base for advanced military equipment | Nov 16 19:11 |
| *_Goblin has kicked ender2070 from #techrights (ender2070) | Nov 16 19:11 | |
| XFaCE | "And the meek shall inherit the earth" | Nov 16 19:11 |
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| DaemonFC | that does not mean they reverse engineer alien technology | Nov 16 19:11 |
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| *_Goblin sets ban on *!*czarbacon@d72-38-2-153.commercial1.cgocable.net | Nov 16 19:11 | |
| XFaCE | "WE ARE THE PRIESTS OF THE TEMPLES OF CERES!" | Nov 16 19:11 |
| *_Goblin sets ban on *!*czarbacon@*.commercial1.cgocable.net | Nov 16 19:11 | |
| *_Goblin has kicked ender2070 from #techrights (ender2070) | Nov 16 19:11 | |
| XFaCE | _Goblin: Thanks you | Nov 16 19:11 |
| _Goblin | How many times does he need to be told | Nov 16 19:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] American Censorship Day November 16 - Join the fight to stop #SOPA - #internet #usa #policestate http://ur1.ca/5qk5a | Nov 16 19:12 | |
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| DaemonFC | of course, various conspiracy theorists hold that the creation of the microprocessor was due to reverse engineering of alien technology from the Area 51 crash site | Nov 16 19:12 |
| XFaCE | _Goblin: He can't have desert until he eats his veggies? | Nov 16 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | it's stuff for the History Channel | Nov 16 19:12 |
| XFaCE | :) | Nov 16 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz agrees | Nov 16 19:12 |
| XFaCE | I think the bigger question beyond all this is... how does Ender keep comin' back? | Nov 16 19:13 |
| _Goblin | I banned an entire domain... | Nov 16 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | because the aliens give him a new IP address | Nov 16 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 16 19:13 |
| _Goblin | not aliens DaemonFC , neanderthals | Nov 16 19:14 |
| MinceR | because somebody keeps unbanning him | Nov 16 19:14 |
| XFaCE | _Goblin: God, he's like stuck on residue, reinforced by crazy glue. | Nov 16 19:14 |
| _Goblin | thats mason talk in his book ... ;) | Nov 16 19:14 |
| _Goblin | you must be with the neanderthals | Nov 16 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | XFaCE: There's actually somethign worse than superglue | Nov 16 19:14 |
| _Goblin | anyone who disagrees with Brandon is either stupid or working for the enemy. | Nov 16 19:14 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Yeah, ender. | Nov 16 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know the chemical name for it but it is sold under the brand name "Gorilla Glue" | Nov 16 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | that stuff is basically impossible to get off | Nov 16 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | don't get any on your hands :) | Nov 16 19:15 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: You see that for "brought to you by" promos on PBS workshop shows | Nov 16 19:15 |
| XFaCE | _Goblin: Brandon isn't even a Fedora cheerleader any more. What's his connection to Free software then? | Nov 16 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | I know it is basically impossible to get that stuff to break from whatever you've used it on | Nov 16 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | I repaired a bed frame with it once | Nov 16 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | and then tested it by laying down on the bed | Nov 16 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | I'm about 210 pounds | Nov 16 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | it held | Nov 16 19:16 |
| _Goblin | XFaCE: Ive got no idea.........I'll expect to see some posts in COLA soon outlining his latest grievance. | Nov 16 19:16 |
| XFaCE | _Goblin: What's funnier is when he and Michael act like bunk buddies, considering that their basic personalities and beliefs are incompatible. | Nov 16 19:17 |
| _Goblin | XFaCE: He said in COLA he was going to leave #techrights anyway....why he wants to come back is anyone's guess | Nov 16 19:17 |
| XFaCE | _Goblin: Another brilliant case of not realizing "the enemy of your enemy..." | Nov 16 19:17 |
| _Goblin | I think Mark has shown up Brandon's theories very well | Nov 16 19:17 |
| MinceR | "...is the enemy of your enemy. nothing more, nothing less." | Nov 16 19:17 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 16 19:17 |
| XFaCE | Mark? | Nov 16 19:18 |
| _Goblin | he made a point that if Brandon's neanderthals lived 10 miles under the earth...how would they cope with the pressure | Nov 16 19:18 |
| _Goblin | I'm sure that was Mark | Nov 16 19:18 |
| _Goblin | MSB | Nov 16 19:18 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Ender and Michael make you tolerable by comparison ;). | Nov 16 19:18 |
| MinceR | http://schlockmercenary.wikia.com/wiki/The_Seventy_Maxims_of_Maximally_Effective_Mercenaries | Nov 16 19:18 |
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| XFaCE | Ah right | Nov 16 19:18 |
| MinceR | maxim 29 | Nov 16 19:18 |
| XFaCE | cheers to you _msb. | Nov 16 19:18 |
| XFaCE | * msb_ | Nov 16 19:18 |
| MinceR | msb and ender seemed nearly reasonable when they were arguing with each other | Nov 16 19:19 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 16 19:19 |
| XFaCE | I thought that msb__ and ender were bunk buddies, but that was just a real distorted first impressionl | Nov 16 19:19 |
| XFaCE | msb__ proved himself worthy of the title "decent person", which I'm afraid ender/et al have not achieved | Nov 16 19:20 |
| msb__ | Well thank you! | Nov 16 19:20 |
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| ender2600 | :) | Nov 16 19:20 |
| XFaCE | FFS | Nov 16 19:20 |
| ender2600 | xface, don't talk about me behind my back | Nov 16 19:21 |
| msb__ | FFS? | Nov 16 19:21 |
| XFaCE | hey goblin, make me a chanop and we'll doubleteam | Nov 16 19:21 |
| *_Goblin sets ban on *!*blahblahe@d72-38-2-153.commercial1.cgocable.net | Nov 16 19:21 | |
| *_Goblin has kicked ender2600 from #techrights (ender2600) | Nov 16 19:21 | |
| XFaCE | msb__: Urban Dictionary | Nov 16 19:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] new #Dokuwiki released; following the #Discworld naming theme http://goo.gl/z80l3 #Angua \o/ | Nov 16 19:22 | |
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| *_Goblin gives channel operator status to XFaCE | Nov 16 19:22 | |
| XFaCE | merci boucoups | Nov 16 19:22 |
| _Goblin | XFaCE: there you go mate..... I'll leave it with you! | Nov 16 19:22 |
| XFaCE | This gonna be a fun threesome | Nov 16 19:22 |
| XFaCE | "don't talk about behind my back" | Nov 16 19:23 |
| _Goblin | You watch....he won't return now... | Nov 16 19:23 |
| XFaCE | Three times the charming? | Nov 16 19:23 |
| XFaCE | _Goblin: I admit, there are times when I can have a conversation with Ender which approaches civility | Nov 16 19:25 |
| XFaCE | About 3/8 | Nov 16 19:25 |
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| _Goblin | go for it xface | Nov 16 19:25 |
| ender2012 | tor is next | Nov 16 19:25 |
| *XFaCE sets ban on *!*goblin_is@*.commercial1.cgocable.net | Nov 16 19:25 | |
| *XFaCE has kicked ender2012 from #techrights (ender2012) | Nov 16 19:26 | |
| XFaCE | Hmm, Ender2112 next? | Nov 16 19:26 |
| _Goblin | For someone who said he wanted to leave #techrights anyway, he seems desperate to come back | Nov 16 19:26 |
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| XFaCE | prurigro: This is typical Ender behaviour FYI | Nov 16 19:27 |
| msb__ | So what did Enderxxxx do this morning worth banning? | Nov 16 19:28 |
| _Goblin | And for the record of the logs...the person Ender is actually BRANDON LOZZA. | Nov 16 19:28 |
| _Goblin | nothing...... | Nov 16 19:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Sibi Totique: The Free Online Survival Guide - #preppers #edc #bob | this site is so good that i keep resharing http://goo.gl/8U7vL | Nov 16 19:28 | |
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| _Goblin | his ban stands from when he was removed before | Nov 16 19:29 |
| XFaCE | msb__: Ask goblin, I'm just continuing the tradition | Nov 16 19:29 |
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| XFaCE | _Goblin: He's threatening Tor now, via PM | Nov 16 19:29 |
| _Goblin | lol | Nov 16 19:29 |
| Faither | Good evening! ( ; | Nov 16 19:29 |
| _Goblin | hi! | Nov 16 19:29 |
| MinceR | j0 | Nov 16 19:29 |
| XFaCE | Faither: You aren't ender in disguise are you? | Nov 16 19:29 |
| XFaCE | No you aren't | Nov 16 19:29 |
| XFaCE | good :) | Nov 16 19:29 |
| Faither | let me check xD | Nov 16 19:29 |
| Faither | no! ^^ | Nov 16 19:29 |
| _Goblin | Simple test... | Nov 16 19:30 |
| _Goblin | Do you believe in hairy humans living under the earth controlling the world? | Nov 16 19:30 |
| MinceR | humans _are_ hairy | Nov 16 19:30 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 16 19:30 |
| _Goblin | ok....hairier | Nov 16 19:30 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 16 19:30 |
| *XFaCE is now known as ender2112 | Nov 16 19:30 | |
| Faither | yes! errr no i mean xD | Nov 16 19:30 |
| ender2112 | preemptive protection | Nov 16 19:30 |
| msb__ | I believe hairy hippies above the earth should control the world! | Nov 16 19:30 |
| _Goblin | I think thats ok | Nov 16 19:30 |
| MinceR | i believe nobody should control the world | Nov 16 19:31 |
| *ender2112 is now known as XFaCE | Nov 16 19:31 | |
| _Goblin | as long as they wear tie dye tops | Nov 16 19:31 |
| schestowitz | hippies are cool | Nov 16 19:31 |
| Faither | lol | Nov 16 19:31 |
| _Goblin | yeah mannnnn | Nov 16 19:31 |
| schestowitz | peace man | Nov 16 19:31 |
| MinceR | pieces, man | Nov 16 19:31 |
| *schestowitz passes _Goblin blue pill | Nov 16 19:31 | |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Ender's PMing me | Nov 16 19:31 |
| _Goblin | He had a PM at me also..... | Nov 16 19:32 |
| XFaCE | Then again, why do I hate free speech so much? | Nov 16 19:32 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 16 19:32 |
| MinceR | isn't he free to start his own channels and/or irc networks? | Nov 16 19:32 |
| _Goblin | free speech is a fundamental right for everyone...unfortunately people like Ender abuse it and make a mockery of it | Nov 16 19:32 |
| _Goblin | Mincer...I wish he would | Nov 16 19:32 |
| Faither | to grow like minded minions? xD | Nov 16 19:33 |
| _Goblin | yep.... | Nov 16 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | most people who invoke freedom of speech are making a mockery of it | Nov 16 19:33 |
| Faither | groom | Nov 16 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | it doesn't invalidate the concept | Nov 16 19:33 |
| XFaCE | Ender time! | Nov 16 19:33 |
| XFaCE | "<ender2012> why do you hate freedom of speech so much? | Nov 16 19:33 |
| XFaCE | <ender2012> Is Roy afraid of banning me himself?" | Nov 16 19:33 |
| XFaCE | "ender2012> Do you want to officially ask me nicely not to come back?" | Nov 16 19:33 |
| MinceR | free speech is a fundamental right; listening to everyone is not a fundamental obligation | Nov 16 19:33 |
| msb__ | These are the Ender Times! | Nov 16 19:34 |
| MinceR | stop! endertime! | Nov 16 19:34 |
| XFaCE | lol | Nov 16 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAxNjA | Nov 16 19:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [Phoronix] New Comments By Ryan Gordon On Linux Gaming, Drivers .::. Size~: 18.54 KB | Nov 16 19:34 |
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| ender2060 | i tried to be nice | Nov 16 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | The same Ryan Gordon who opined that there's no reason to have free video drivers because due to the patent system, they can't play some of his games (without taking 10 seconds to install the infringing bits) | Nov 16 19:35 |
| ender2060 | this just shows the world that you're all intolerant | Nov 16 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | *yawn* | Nov 16 19:35 |
| *XFaCE removes voice from ender2060 | Nov 16 19:35 | |
| *_Goblin sets ban on *!*iambeingc@d72-38-2-153.commercial1.cgocable.net | Nov 16 19:35 | |
| *_Goblin has kicked ender2060 from #techrights (ender2060) | Nov 16 19:35 | |
| msb__ | But now, This Means War!!! | Nov 16 19:35 |
| _Goblin | :) | Nov 16 19:35 |
| _Goblin | beat you to it.... | Nov 16 19:35 |
| _Goblin | we can have a reactions test here... | Nov 16 19:35 |
| Faither | -.- | Nov 16 19:35 |
| _Goblin | beat the ender | Nov 16 19:36 |
| msb__ | I think you should let him in if he's nice. | Nov 16 19:36 |
| XFaCE | I think removing voice would be best | Nov 16 19:36 |
| _Goblin | msb__: No | Nov 16 19:36 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: is that what you call your monkey? | Nov 16 19:36 |
| XFaCE | We should make him a chanop, after some rum and cokes | Nov 16 19:36 |
| msb__ | Of course I'm a Communist Freemason. | Nov 16 19:36 |
| _Goblin | msb__: He had plenty of chances he's upset too many people.....and on top of that, when on a crusade again Roy when Roy had nothing to do with his ban | Nov 16 19:36 |
| MinceR | i didn't know msb__ was a freemason | Nov 16 19:37 |
| _Goblin | neither did I | Nov 16 19:37 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: We are all freemasons | Nov 16 19:37 |
| msb__ | I'm hairy, too. | Nov 16 19:37 |
| schestowitz | so is my wife! | Nov 16 19:37 |
| _Goblin | yep....apparently so | Nov 16 19:37 |
| schestowitz | hehe | Nov 16 19:37 |
| XFaCE | Free Software... freemason... CONSPIRACY | Nov 16 19:37 |
| MinceR | i'm hairy... on the top of my head | Nov 16 19:37 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: good one.....you got in first with the monty python | Nov 16 19:37 |
| schestowitz | I meant freemason | Nov 16 19:37 |
| schestowitz | not hairy ^_^ | Nov 16 19:37 |
| schestowitz | damn you, msb__!! | Nov 16 19:38 |
| msb__ | Too late! | Nov 16 19:38 |
| schestowitz | :// | Nov 16 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Think about it | Nov 16 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Software is like a mason | Nov 16 19:38 |
| msb__ | Besides, nothing wrong with hairy women... | Nov 16 19:38 |
| schestowitz | You do stuff with it | Nov 16 19:38 |
| schestowitz | Free.... mason... free software... SEE? | Nov 16 19:39 |
| schestowitz | It all maks sense now | Nov 16 19:39 |
| XFaCE | oh, jono is here | Nov 16 19:39 |
| schestowitz | like triangaes and circles | Nov 16 19:39 |
| XFaCE | jono: Got your kicks? | Nov 16 19:39 |
| schestowitz | ircles are flying saucers.. symbolism | Nov 16 19:39 |
| _Goblin | youre right......all this time roy...we've been supporting the evil neanderthals | Nov 16 19:39 |
| schestowitz | and triangles are illuminati pyramid... and they're _all around us_ | Nov 16 19:39 |
| Faither | »Ryan recommends game developers never give exclusive distribution rights to any independent entity. In fact, he doesn't recommend indie developers even use a game publishing company. "They'll only make your life miserable and eat your profits." « - Or delete your game xD | Nov 16 19:39 |
| schestowitz | [19:38] <msb__> Besides, nothing wrong with hairy women... | Nov 16 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Bald ones would be hard to rcognise | Nov 16 19:40 |
| XFaCE | jono: Please make an ender song. It would be excellent. | Nov 16 19:40 |
| *schestowitz admits he colluded with neanderthals | Nov 16 19:40 | |
| Faither | only got german source )= | Nov 16 19:40 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: How far did this collusion go...? | Nov 16 19:40 |
| schestowitz | 10 miles | Nov 16 19:40 |
| schestowitz | into the earth | Nov 16 19:40 |
| XFaCE | Damn, didn't think it could be that long | Nov 16 19:40 |
| schestowitz | I love my gravity! | Nov 16 19:40 |
| MinceR | XFaCE: even if he makes it with vista7? | Nov 16 19:41 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: err what? | Nov 16 19:41 |
| MinceR | the song | Nov 16 19:41 |
| XFaCE | Oooo | Nov 16 19:42 |
| XFaCE | Jono, tisk tisk | Nov 16 19:42 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 16 19:42 |
| Faither | lol, bold hairy neanderthals xD | Nov 16 19:42 |
| schestowitz | it's a well documented fact... and you can verify it in museums where you see that peple live underground... and they have big pitchforks... ewwww.... and they walk about nakes | Nov 16 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?64990-New-Comments-By-Ryan-Gordon-On-Linux-Gaming-Drivers&p=238854#post238854 | Nov 16 19:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: New Comments By Ryan Gordon On Linux Gaming, Drivers - Page 2 .::. Size~: 61.62 KB | Nov 16 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | my response | Nov 16 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | concerning Ryan Gordon himself | Nov 16 19:43 |
| XFaCE | powerword | Nov 16 19:43 |
| msb__ | "I'd rather laugh with the sinners than cry with the saints, the sinners have much more fun!" | Nov 16 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Can humans interbreed with Neanderthals? | Nov 16 19:43 |
| MinceR | Power Word, Kill? | Nov 16 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Or would it be sterile at fruition? | Nov 16 19:43 |
| _Goblin | You'll have to ask Brandon in COLA.... | Nov 16 19:43 |
| schestowitz | OK | Nov 16 19:43 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: His nae | Nov 16 19:43 |
| schestowitz | Cause some people believe our incestors are still around | Nov 16 19:43 |
| schestowitz | "If we came from monkeys, HOW COME THERE ARE STILL MONEYS AROUND?!?!" | Nov 16 19:44 |
| _Goblin | well yes I agree. | Nov 16 19:44 |
| _Goblin | the Microsoft CEO for starters is proof of that theory | Nov 16 19:44 |
| schestowitz | Some people just don't know we always evolved and 99%+ of the species are extinct | Nov 16 19:44 |
| schestowitz | or less maybe | Nov 16 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | and a lot of those are because of human activity | Nov 16 19:44 |
| schestowitz | depends on how species are defined | Nov 16 19:45 |
| schestowitz | The bible says "kinds" :-) | Nov 16 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | a lot are because of planetwide catastrophe or changes that made the environment unsuited for them | Nov 16 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Two of each "kind" | Nov 16 19:45 |
| schestowitz | On Noah's Linux Arch | Nov 16 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | pacman -s giraffes | Nov 16 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 16 19:45 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: ballmer came from apes | Nov 16 19:45 |
| schestowitz | but he didn't come so far along | Nov 16 19:46 |
| Faither | coudln't fit everyone on board, ticket prices must have ben exorbitant! | Nov 16 19:46 |
| _Goblin | no I have to challenge that.... | Nov 16 19:46 |
| *XFaCE gives channel operator status to MinceR | Nov 16 19:46 | |
| schestowitz | He still scratches the back of his head a lot | Nov 16 19:46 |
| _Goblin | I think it was slugs | Nov 16 19:46 |
| schestowitz | [19:40] <ender2060> hey | Nov 16 19:46 |
| schestowitz | [19:41] <ender2060> i promised to be good and your staff still removed me | Nov 16 19:47 |
| schestowitz | [19:46] <ender2060> it would have been nice if i had been asked to leave, not given the impression i had another chance | Nov 16 19:47 |
| schestowitz | staff?! | Nov 16 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: But the talking snakes with legs are out | Nov 16 19:47 |
| schestowitz | they exist | Nov 16 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | they forgot their tickets and told the lady to eat the apple | Nov 16 19:47 |
| schestowitz | but we don't call them snakes :-) | Nov 16 19:47 |
| Faither | we are all your minions xD you just never realized | Nov 16 19:47 |
| schestowitz | snakes came form fish | Nov 16 19:47 |
| Faither | and evolved into birds, so we got flying fish ^^ | Nov 16 19:48 |
| schestowitz | and later on some fins could develop, around the time of amphibians IIRC | Nov 16 19:48 |
| schestowitz | [19:48] <ender2060> also, the original cause of my first ban was goblin proving a point | Nov 16 19:48 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: the "promise" to be good, shows an admition of his past behaviour then...even he acknowleges it. | Nov 16 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | Faither: Which Mario shoots with fireballs | Nov 16 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | and then they fall from the sky | Nov 16 19:48 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Yes, staff roy! Uhh, you, me, spanish TR portal guy, other guy, and uh, goblin I guess | Nov 16 19:48 |
| Faither | ^^ | Nov 16 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | that's in the bible too I think | Nov 16 19:48 |
| schestowitz | he attacked me with false allegations of copyright violation | Nov 16 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | somewhere | Nov 16 19:48 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz: How old is Brandon Lozza???? "Promise to be good"???? | Nov 16 19:48 |
| schestowitz | and other flasehood | Nov 16 19:48 |
| XFaCE | _Goblin: My thoughts exactly | Nov 16 19:48 |
| schestowitz | even though I never did anything to him | Nov 16 19:48 |
| schestowitz | in fact, i helped him many times | Nov 16 19:48 |
| _Goblin | ironically Roy, he attacked you the most yet you probably would have let him stay.... | Nov 16 19:48 |
| XFaCE | _Goblin: The kinds of talk you expect in a Power Rangers episode | Nov 16 19:49 |
| schestowitz | even when the lunatic threatened to sue him | Nov 16 19:49 |
| schestowitz | _Goblin: I don't need enemies | Nov 16 19:49 |
| _Goblin | I think I'm your staff Roy.... | Nov 16 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | The Catholics didn't like the part about Mario, flying fish, and fireballs, and deleted it | Nov 16 19:49 |
| _Goblin | can I have the day off tomorrow? | Nov 16 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | so it wasn't there when the Protestants went on their deleting spree | Nov 16 19:49 |
| schestowitz | TBH, I want to just ignore this and move on with real issues, not toddlers like him | Nov 16 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | so it is in the bible, you just can't prove it | Nov 16 19:50 |
| schestowitz | whose bibble? | Nov 16 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | THE ZOMGBIBLE!!! | Nov 16 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | along with Sweet Zombie Jesus | Nov 16 19:50 |
| schestowitz | what language? | Nov 16 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Which version? | Nov 16 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | American | Nov 16 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Which scrolls? | Nov 16 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | 2.01 | Nov 16 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Which authors? | Nov 16 19:50 |
| Faither | the elder's | Nov 16 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Any female authors yet? | Nov 16 19:50 |
| schestowitz | No wonder the bible is so chauvinistic | Nov 16 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | No, they were all stoned | Nov 16 19:50 |
| schestowitz | Men had a monopoly on it | Nov 16 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | though why God tells them to smoke reefer, I'll never know | Nov 16 19:51 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: he also told Abraham to cook his son | Nov 16 19:51 |
| schestowitz | first step is the cutting | Nov 16 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | you cheat on your husband and then you have to go get stoned | Nov 16 19:51 |
| msb__ | There were bible books by women, at least by Mary Magdalen, found in the Dead Sea scrolls, I think. | Nov 16 19:51 |
| schestowitz | Maybe he lost his appetite | Nov 16 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | the reward for being without sin is apparently getting stoned first | Nov 16 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | -Jesus | Nov 16 19:52 |
| schestowitz | MS booster advertisements http://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2011/11/three-levels-of-intelligence-w.php | Nov 16 19:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Three Levels of 'Intelligence:' Windows v.Next to Preview in Q1 - ReadWriteCloud .::. Size~: 52.48 KB | Nov 16 19:52 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: they consider females like cattle | Nov 16 19:52 |
| Faither | Abra-ham was a vegetarian | Nov 16 19:52 |
| MinceR | not as individuals | Nov 16 19:52 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: you can trade one for another | Nov 16 19:52 |
| schestowitz | as they do | Nov 16 19:52 |
| msb__ | Among the books of the Gnostics -- the ones who knew. | Nov 16 19:53 |
| MinceR | yes, and if you break one, you have to buy her | Nov 16 19:53 |
| schestowitz | I guess they also had sex with both | Nov 16 19:53 |
| XFaCE | _Goblin: schestowitz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVV9ZByg2M8 | Nov 16 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: If Abraham was stoned, anything would have sounded good | Nov 16 19:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Bill Maher Goes Into Audience To Kick Out 9/11 Truther - YouTube .::. Size~: 93.62 KB | Nov 16 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | no Doritos, must cook son | Nov 16 19:53 |
| schestowitz | but hey, they know better, let's go by their book of fiction, who needs science anyway? | Nov 16 19:53 |
| msb__ | Bill Maher is a scumbag. | Nov 16 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | he's occasionally amusing though | Nov 16 19:54 |
| XFaCE | msb__: On the level of Gates, Ballmer, Billo the Clown, Sean Hannity, Rush Limbaugh, every republican nominee... | Nov 16 19:54 |
| XFaCE | ? | Nov 16 19:54 |
| msb__ | Pretty much. | Nov 16 19:54 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: he's clearly being disruptive | Nov 16 19:55 |
| XFaCE | I disagree | Nov 16 19:55 |
| schestowitz | shouting is not a right when you come to a studio | Nov 16 19:55 |
| XFaCE | Exactly, and this IRC channel is your "studio" ;) | Nov 16 19:55 |
| msb__ | I've never watched him again after he did his anti-911-truth show, and never will. | Nov 16 19:55 |
| schestowitz | I like some of his skits | Nov 16 19:55 |
| schestowitz | brb | Nov 16 19:55 |
| schestowitz | The video title is misleading | Nov 16 19:56 |
| schestowitz | should have said Maher and staff kick out shouting disruptor | Nov 16 19:56 |
| schestowitz | Fox should kick out Bill O'Reilly :-) | Nov 16 19:57 |
| XFaCE | DO IT LIVE!!! | Nov 16 19:57 |
| schestowitz | f it | Nov 16 19:57 |
| msb__ | Good for the "disruptor", since the 911 false-flag op was the excuse for murdering TWO MILLION PEOPLE. | Nov 16 19:57 |
| schestowitz | He thoght he was back with his wife doign pr0no tapes | Nov 16 19:57 |
| XFaCE | msb__: Err, you can still think the wars were unjust and not think that 911 was an inside job. | Nov 16 19:58 |
| schestowitz | msb__: _liberating_ | Nov 16 19:58 |
| schestowitz | It's a cruel world | Nov 16 19:58 |
| schestowitz | the drones liberate them from it | Nov 16 19:58 |
| msb__ | But it was. Read the thermite research. | Nov 16 19:58 |
| msb__ | We laugh and laugh. But some day it may be our turn. | Nov 16 19:59 |
| XFaCE | You laugh you lose | Nov 16 19:59 |
| schestowitz | according to ender, 7/7 in london was an "inside job" | Nov 16 19:59 |
| schestowitz | and he gets offended when people disagree | Nov 16 20:00 |
| msb__ | The explosives were planted underneath the floors of the trains or buses (I forget which) and could only have been planted in the service yards, which were well guarded. | Nov 16 20:01 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Dennis Ritchie: The Shoulders Steve Jobs Stood On http://ur1.ca/5fqsk #ritchie #jobs | Nov 16 20:03 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Dennis Ritchie: The Shoulders Steve Jobs Stood On | Wired Enterprise | Wired.com .::. Size~: 60.92 KB | Nov 16 20:04 |
| schestowitz | msb__: who by/? | Nov 16 20:12 |
| schestowitz | oh, by the way, this one is great | Nov 16 20:12 |
| schestowitz | !google sarkozy tells obama liar | Nov 16 20:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Sarkozy tells Obama Netanyahu is a liar | Reuters | http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/11/08/us-mideast-netanyahu-sarkozy-idUSTRE7A720120111108 | Nov 16 20:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Sarkozy tells Obama Netanyahu is a "liar" - Yahoo! News | http://news.yahoo.com/sarkozy-told-obama-fed-israeli-pm-092347721.html | Nov 16 20:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Netanyahu Is a Liar, Sarkozy Tells Obama - ABC News | http://abcnews.go.com/International/video/benjamin-netanyahu-is-a-liar-president-sarkozy-tells-president-obama-14904819 | Nov 16 20:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Sarkozy tells Obama Netanyahu is a "liar" - chicagotribune.com | http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/sns-rt-us-mideast-netanyahu-sarkozytre7a7201-20111108,0,7615869.story | Nov 16 20:12 |
| schestowitz | see Obama's reply | Nov 16 20:12 |
| schestowitz | priceless | Nov 16 20:12 |
| msb__ | Presumably someone in the Axis of Evil -- US, England, Israel. | Nov 16 20:13 |
| schestowitz | msb__: I know governments lie | Nov 16 20:13 |
| msb__ | oops, brb | Nov 16 20:13 |
| schestowitz | But you need to prove this properly | Nov 16 20:13 |
| schestowitz | msb__: explain "Presumably" | Nov 16 20:13 |
| msb__ | Nobody else co8uld have gotten into the yards. | Nov 16 20:13 |
| schestowitz | the rail stations here are easy to enter | Nov 16 20:13 |
| schestowitz | the tubes are not so much different | Nov 16 20:13 |
| msb__ | sorry brb#2 | Nov 16 20:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Adobe Flex SDK bombshell STUNS developers http://ur1.ca/5vcmj #adobe #flex #software | Nov 16 20:13 | |
| schestowitz | and some come outside to the open | Nov 16 20:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Adobe Flex SDK bombshell STUNS developers • The Register .::. Size~: 29.16 KB | Nov 16 20:14 |
| schestowitz | if someone wants to vandalise them, it's not hard | Nov 16 20:14 |
| schestowitz | in fact, the rail system here has little fencing | Nov 16 20:14 |
| schestowitz | so people could place a bomb on the rails here and set it off when major trains pass | Nov 16 20:14 |
| schestowitz | you don't need explanations like govt. conpiracy | Nov 16 20:14 |
| schestowitz | *conspiracy | Nov 16 20:15 |
| schestowitz | Just a terrorists' conspiracy | Nov 16 20:15 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Java EE 6 Application Servers creeping up to Tomcat, in terms of performance (DZone): http://bit.ly/rQV8sf | Nov 16 20:18 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: O Java EE 6 Application Servers, Where Art Thou? | Javalobby .::. Size~: 63.98 KB | Nov 16 20:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] First look: Oracle NoSQL Database is fast, flexible and ready for business (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/vx0jME | Nov 16 20:20 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: First look: Oracle NoSQL Database | Data Explosion - InfoWorld .::. Size~: 93.2 KB | Nov 16 20:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Fedora 16: Linux home for lost Ubuntu GNOMEs http://ur1.ca/5apfh #fedora #gnu #linux #gnome #ubuntu #software #microsoft #windows | Nov 16 20:22 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Fedora 16: Linux home for lost Ubuntu GNOMEs • The Register .::. Size~: 29.02 KB | Nov 16 20:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @marjoleink hunting around for 'hammocky' links I was inspired to write this: Addicted: http://www.43things.com/entries/view/5392947 | Nov 16 20:40 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] Awesome: A window manager that gets out of the way http://ur1.ca/5vdgt | Nov 16 20:40 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Addicted by iamback on sleep in a hammock on 43 Things .::. Size~: 27.32 KB | Nov 16 20:40 |
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| msb__ | schestowitz: But govt conspiracy is _more_ likely than "terrorist" conspiracy. | Nov 16 20:41 |
| msb__ | Where along the tracks did the bomb(s) go off? | Nov 16 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | http://store.mandriva.com/product_info.php?cPath=149&products_id=503 | Nov 16 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | this would piss RMS off a lot | Nov 16 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | they call proprietary software "commercial" | Nov 16 20:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mandriva Linux Powerpack 2011 - New! - Mandriva Store .::. Size~: 11.85 KB | Nov 16 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: at least they say what is in the Powerpack this time round :D | Nov 16 20:55 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: for the 2010 series I kept on wondering what was actsually in it | Nov 16 20:55 |
| DaemonFC | they have Crossover | Nov 16 20:55 |
| sebsebseb | yep :) | Nov 16 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | that's $40 by itself | Nov 16 20:56 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: anyway good luck to Mandriva selling add on stuff, but I think in general that doesn't work that well anymore with Desktop L inux | Nov 16 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | it's like web browsers | Nov 16 20:56 |
| sebsebseb | since Ubuntu and Fedora and PC Linux OS | Nov 16 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | they used to be for sale and now that's not possible | Nov 16 20:56 |
| sebsebseb | and smaller distros such as PC Linux OS and Mageia and so on | Nov 16 20:56 |
| DaemonFC | so they just build in spyware instead | Nov 16 20:57 |
| sebsebseb | just give everything away for free | Nov 16 20:57 |
| sebsebseb | as in price | Nov 16 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | pretty much every browser is essentially a keylogger for someone | Nov 16 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | Google or Microsoft usually | Nov 16 20:57 |
| sebsebseb | well Ubuntu ahs paid for services, but the software is still given away for free as in price | Nov 16 20:57 |
| MinceR | who is uzbl a keylogger for? | Nov 16 20:58 |
| MinceR | and links2? | Nov 16 20:58 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: every browser is a keylogger what? not sure about that | Nov 16 20:58 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: ,but yeah well like with any of these programs really, got to trust who made it | Nov 16 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | Mandriva was going to use the proprietary video drivers in their standard version | Nov 16 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | they backed them out citing problems | Nov 16 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | but the powerpack comes with them preinstalled | Nov 16 20:58 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Mandriva has a One version now for 2011 I think as well | Nov 16 20:58 |
| sebsebseb | so Free and One like before | Nov 16 20:59 |
| sebsebseb | don't really folllow Mandriva that much anymore | Nov 16 20:59 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia :D | Nov 16 20:59 |
| sebsebseb | and I wonder what's going on with Mageia 2 alpha 1, since that's meant to come out today | Nov 16 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.codeweavers.com/products/crossover/change_log/ | Nov 16 20:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: CrossOver - Change Log - CodeWeavers .::. Size~: 48.56 KB | Nov 16 20:59 |
| sebsebseb | actsually I never followed Mandriva that much in the first place | Nov 16 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | Pretty much all the bugs they fix are actually work arounds for Mac problems | Nov 16 20:59 |
| sebsebseb | anyway Mageia is the old Mandriva/Mandrake now, but done even more right as a 100% community distro with a non profit organisation behind it, and loads of the ex developers | Nov 16 21:00 |
| *iophk has quit (Quit: Leaving.) | Nov 16 21:00 | |
| sebsebseb | and Mandriva is quite different overall really since the new investors | Nov 16 21:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Stop #SOPA now.Seriously the Internet as we know it now, will be changed for the worse, much worse http://boingboing.n... http://b1t.it/Way | Nov 16 21:00 | |
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| DaemonFC | Russians | Nov 16 21:00 |
| sebsebseb | and sticking with Mandriva 2010.2 on the other computer, and well it will be installed on here for ages as well, even though I'll have other stuff as well | Nov 16 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | We had a Mars probe, but now it's just dead weight in a decaying Earth orbit filled with hazardous fuel | Nov 16 21:01 |
| sebsebseb | such as Mageia 1, and yeah Mageia 2 alpha 1 soon it should be :D | Nov 16 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | new sponsors of Mandriva, yikes | Nov 16 21:01 |
| DaemonFC | well, not a Mars probe as such, a probe to Phobos | Nov 16 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | but oh well | Nov 16 21:02 |
| DaemonFC | just before someone feels like being an ass and correcting that | Nov 16 21:02 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: also Mandriva 2011's new branding compared to Mandriva 2010.2, what the! | Nov 16 21:03 |
| sebsebseb | 2010 series I should say, since 2010.0 2010.1 and 2010.2 all had same branding of course | Nov 16 21:03 |
| DaemonFC | "Every CrossOver Standard purchase comes with 6 months of free Level 3 support and updates. Level 3 support covers installation and show stopping issues on problems reported against our supported applications. After the free support term has expired, you will still be able to download the latest update you were entitled to, but will not receive further updates or support." | Nov 16 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | $40 and you only get updates for 6 months? | Nov 16 21:04 |
| DaemonFC | that's a bit much | Nov 16 21:04 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: then of course the thing about Mandriva only supporting KDE offically from the company, with anything else from the community, that's a bit hmm, but I guess it does make sense for them from a business point of view, since I think most of their users use KDE nayway | Nov 16 21:04 |
| sebsebseb | ,but of course they have also been inovating KDE a bit, the new menu and so on | Nov 16 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | but if you Get Crossover Pro for $50, you get a year of updates | Nov 16 21:05 |
| DaemonFC | and an option to renew at half off next year if you renew within 30 days after the expiration | Nov 16 21:06 |
| DaemonFC | so Pro is obviously the one to get | Nov 16 21:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] off to see a fellow about an n900 | Nov 16 21:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Good article on how FSCKED up #SOPA is ! http://ur1.ca/5veev | Nov 16 21:10 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Stop Sopa now | Dan Gillmor | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 172.75 KB | Nov 16 21:11 |
| DaemonFC | sebsebseb: I don't blame them | Nov 16 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME is unsupportable | Nov 16 21:16 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: uh what? | Nov 16 21:16 |
| DaemonFC | and XFCE and LXDE are both good, but kind of niche | Nov 16 21:16 |
| sebsebseb | also what Linux Mint have done to Gnome Shell, that's interesting, still haven't tried it out for myself though | Nov 16 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | people forget that most distributions shipping GNOME 3 in its current state don't support it | Nov 16 21:17 |
| sebsebseb | what? | Nov 16 21:17 |
| sebsebseb | what you on abut? | Nov 16 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | there's nobody you can get official paid support from if GNOME 3 fucks up on you in Fedora | Nov 16 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | or OpenSuse | Nov 16 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | seems like Mandriva wasn't eager to take that on either | Nov 16 21:17 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: uh for most projects | Nov 16 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | they went after the one with fewer problems to provide paid incident support for | Nov 16 21:18 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: for most opensource/freesofware projects, there isn't really proper paid for offical support | Nov 16 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | sure there is | Nov 16 21:18 |
| sebsebseb | also no I don't think that's why Mandriva went KDE only | Nov 16 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | you can get paid support for Ubuntu | Nov 16 21:18 |
| sebsebseb | it's been mainly seen as a KDE distro for a long time anyway | Nov 16 21:18 |
| sebsebseb | with most of their paid cusotmers if not all using KDE probably as well | Nov 16 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | You can get paid support for Kubuntu | Nov 16 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | or Xubuntu | Nov 16 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | they just don't advertise that as much | Nov 16 21:19 |
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| sebsebseb | plus it makes it easier for a company with not as much resources as Canonical by a long way | Nov 16 21:19 |
| sebsebseb | to | Nov 16 21:19 |
| sebsebseb | only support one desktop and then let the community provide the rest | Nov 16 21:19 |
| sebsebseb | espesailly when most of their users are using KDE anyway | Nov 16 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | paid support options are important to have | Nov 16 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | if you target any kind of corporate acceptance | Nov 16 21:19 |
| sebsebseb | anyway food time, in fact that pizza was probably ready quite a while ago | Nov 16 21:19 |
| sebsebseb | erally | Nov 16 21:19 |
| sebsebseb | really | Nov 16 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | and some desktop systems have installation support you can buy | Nov 16 21:20 |
| sebsebseb | also one thing though | Nov 16 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu has an option for that | Nov 16 21:20 |
| sebsebseb | not all open source projects care about companies and such | Nov 16 21:20 |
| sebsebseb | take Mozilla for example | Nov 16 21:20 |
| sebsebseb | they are aimed at the home user | Nov 16 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu has an option now where you can buy a limited support package | Nov 16 21:20 |
| sebsebseb | and one of the developers basically said before that they don't care about companies | Nov 16 21:20 |
| DaemonFC | and it comes with installation support and 3 incidents post install | Nov 16 21:20 |
| sebsebseb | hence also this silly six weeks and a new version of FIrefox release cycle I expect | Nov 16 21:20 |
| sebsebseb | home users can upgrade quite easilly | Nov 16 21:20 |
| sebsebseb | ,but companies are slwo to upgrade their software, since their stupid IT policys even for browsers, or whatever it is, you know | Nov 16 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox is just a string of bad decisions lately | Nov 16 21:21 |
| sebsebseb | and now I am going away from the computer to eat ) | Nov 16 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | I can no longer tolerate it | Nov 16 21:21 |
| sebsebseb | to eat :) | Nov 16 21:21 |
| DaemonFC | I suspect the frequent upgrades that corrupt profiles often is a ploy | Nov 16 21:22 |
| DaemonFC | to get people to use their "cloud" service to spy on them for marketers and government agencies | Nov 16 21:22 |
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| DaemonFC | I may jump back over to Fedora | Nov 16 21:26 |
| DaemonFC | this month's Catalyst works with their X server apparently | Nov 16 21:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[stumbles/@stumbles] Melbourne Free Software Interest Group is on tonight. Come along and chat #freesoftware with us! http://identi.ca/url/11814649 | Nov 16 21:30 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Melbourne free software interest group .::. Size~: 4.6 KB | Nov 16 21:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[stumbles/@stumbles] "Melbourne Free Software Interest Group" Friday, 18-Nov-11 10:00:00 EST - Friday, 18-Nov-11 03:30:00 EST (VPAC Head Office): | Nov 16 21:38 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[stumbles/@stumbles] Ben Sturmfels is attending Melbourne Free Software Interest Group. | Nov 16 21:38 | |
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| schestowitz | "When I google this guy, it starts to look more complicated." http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/55613 | Nov 16 21:44 |
| Faither | <DaemonFC> to get people to use their "cloud" service to spy on them for marketers and government agencies | Nov 16 21:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Torvalds cries 'bogus' too often and too easily | tuxmachines.org .::. Size~: 30.81 KB | Nov 16 21:44 |
| Faither | YOU CAN ALWAYS SPREAD FALSE INFORMATION AND USE THE SAME SYSTEM AGAINST THEM | Nov 16 21:44 |
| Faither | sry casp | Nov 16 21:45 |
| Faither | casp -.- | Nov 16 21:45 |
| Faither | omg | Nov 16 21:45 |
| DaemonFC | I wish Rockbox could clobber this Sansa firmware permanently | Nov 16 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | it still uses it to sync files | Nov 16 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | and the shit is so annoying | Nov 16 21:46 |
| Faither | ^^ | Nov 16 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | RockBox is faster and less buggy | Nov 16 21:47 |
| schestowitz | I gathered many examples over the years at http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Florian_Müller | Nov 16 21:47 |
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| DaemonFC | and supports many more media codecs | Nov 16 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | I recommend Rockbox in any situation where your hardware supports it | Nov 16 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | it can even make ipods usable | Nov 16 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | which is an achievement to itself | Nov 16 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 16 21:48 |
| Faither | yes -.- | Nov 16 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | and hell, it can even let you play Doom if you have video abilities on your media player | Nov 16 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | :D | Nov 16 21:48 |
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| Faither | Florian Mueller is an award-winning intellectual property activist-turned-analyst [...] who wrtes something like this about himself? | Nov 16 21:51 |
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| schestowitz | Hehe | Nov 16 21:51 |
| schestowitz | He's a BS artist | Nov 16 21:51 |
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| Faither | I can understand the guy saying that he get's confused looking up this guy xD | Nov 16 21:53 |
| Faither | at least to some extend | Nov 16 21:54 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Links 16/11/2011: Linux 3.2 RC 2, Android Majority Market Share http://ur1.ca/5vfs0 #techrights | Nov 16 21:58 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Today is !NaNoWriMo #DonationDay... you don't have to be a writer - there are many good reasons to donate... http://ur1.ca/5vfrt | Nov 16 22:03 | |
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| MinceR | gn | Nov 16 22:06 |
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| Faither | gn MinceR | Nov 16 22:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @WLLegal RT @Atrios so if politicians play !copyright ed recordings at streamed campaign events could they be arrested under #SOPA? | Nov 16 22:10 | |
| schestowitz | thes are awesome http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/PandaBoard-runs-ICS/?kc=rss | Nov 16 22:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: PandaBoard demo'd running Android 4.0 - News - Linux for Devices .::. Size~: 57.22 KB | Nov 16 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Would let you run free/open source code on a programmable board, very versatile to hobbyist developers | Nov 16 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Android is really taking over the market right now, which is great because I've been rooting for it since 2007 and it helps Linux in general :-) | Nov 16 22:12 |
| Faither | I'm kind of sceptical if Android's success also helps along GNU/Linux. It's of course great that it spreads like a wildfire | Nov 16 22:20 |
| Faither | but then again most people use their devices like toasters | Nov 16 22:20 |
| Faither | they just don't care what's under the hood | Nov 16 22:21 |
| Faither | or am I missing a point here? | Nov 16 22:21 |
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| schestowitz | it's berter than hypeOS succeeding | Nov 16 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Android is not GNU/Linux | Nov 16 22:30 |
| schestowitz | But it's one foot in the door | Nov 16 22:30 |
| schestowitz | it also deprives MS of profits | Nov 16 22:30 |
| Faither | I agree with you on that | Nov 16 22:30 |
| schestowitz | which in turns knocks down some GNU/Linux rivals | Nov 16 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Android can help starve proprietary OSses like RIM's and Apple's | Nov 16 22:30 |
| schestowitz | we get the code back from Android | Nov 16 22:31 |
| schestowitz | just not its apps | Nov 16 22:31 |
| schestowitz | but if gnu/linux went mainstream | Nov 16 22:31 |
| schestowitz | games would be ported to oit | Nov 16 22:31 |
| schestowitz | proprietary | Nov 16 22:31 |
| schestowitz | autodesk | Nov 16 22:31 |
| schestowitz | proprietary | Nov 16 22:31 |
| schestowitz | so that's another issue | Nov 16 22:31 |
| Faither | ok in terms of developer interest it really is a huge plus | Nov 16 22:32 |
| schestowitz | like Linux Games (LGP) there would be some DRM | Nov 16 22:32 |
| schestowitz | or some "licensing" controller like Androids' | Nov 16 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Faither: yeah | Nov 16 22:32 |
| Faither | so what we need to get the developers interested through Android to contribute their efforts to GNU | Nov 16 22:34 |
| Faither | like the humble indie does for game developers | Nov 16 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Android doesn't really need out help either | Nov 16 22:34 |
| Faither | in a sense | Nov 16 22:34 |
| Faither | Android is successful as is | Nov 16 22:34 |
| schestowitz | It's growing past the point of dpeendence on community a la Ubuntu | Nov 16 22:34 |
| schestowitz | this gives Linux advocates a break | Nov 16 22:35 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Oracle v. !Google - Google Wins One and Has a Second Deferred http://ur1.ca/5vgr7 | Nov 16 22:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Amazing: @Tumblr is generating 3.6 calls per second to Congress opposing #SOPA! Let's keep helping them out: https://eff.org/r.4GB | Nov 16 22:43 | |
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| Faither | Okay, seems like I've seen things a bit to black&white. Good talk schestowitz ^^ And GN | Nov 16 22:45 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #RIAA Wants To Shutter Torrent Sites, And More - http://bit.ly/sBw0Av Russia’s VKontakte & Odnoklassniki too: Vlad will *love* that | Nov 16 22:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Funny how I always end up blogging *more* during !NaNoWriMo http://identi.ca/attachment/60339501 | Nov 16 23:12 | |
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| schestowitz | Ryahn stone oh ryan stone | Nov 16 23:24 |
| schestowitz | What a pretentious name for a blog http://blogs.the451group.com/information_management/2011/11/15/vc-funding-for-hadoop-and-nosql-tops-350m/ | Nov 16 23:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: VC funding for Hadoop and NoSQL tops $350m — Too much information .::. Size~: 52.02 KB | Nov 16 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Too much information? | Nov 16 23:26 |
| schestowitz | http://www.spoon.as/2011/adobe-announces-intention-to-donate-flex-sdk/ | Nov 16 23:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Adobe Announces Intention to Donate Flex SDK to the Apache Software Foundation | Open Spoon Foundation - Spoon Project .::. Size~: 23.46 KB | Nov 16 23:28 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.mozilla.org/sopa/ | Nov 16 23:30 |
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| DaemonFC | I see Mozilla doesn't like the blacklist bill either | Nov 16 23:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] My !NaNoWriMo wordcount stalled at 17106, today I should hit 26666 and tomorrow 28333. So,I will try to hang up the blogs 'til caught up. | Nov 16 23:32 | |
| schestowitz | yeah, I mentioned this earlier | Nov 16 23:34 |
| schestowitz | Mozilla takes an active role | Nov 16 23:34 |
| schestowitz | one day they lick ballmer's boot and another day they do something right :-) | Nov 16 23:35 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/rcweir/statuses/136110124770148355 | Nov 16 23:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @rcweir: Interesting discussion on OASIS ODF TC call today -- Considering ODF 1.3 support for inter/intra app data exchange via clipboard | Nov 16 23:36 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/rcweir/statuses/136112295108558848 | Nov 16 23:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @rcweir: With ODF support! RT @melsop74: Did I mention that #office tools in #N9 are made with 7 developers and offer ms support, pdf and #ODF? | Nov 16 23:36 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/rcweir/statuses/136156503127228416 http://twitter.com/rcweir/statuses/136157314880253952 | Nov 16 23:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @rcweir: @BartHanssens It is not clear to me that the ISO effort has any momentum. What we were discussing on the TC was much simpler. | Nov 16 23:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @rcweir: @melsop74 Down to 18MB? That is quite impressive. Is this related at all to freOffice? I saw a demo of that a while ago, also nice. | Nov 16 23:43 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/bfeld/status/136174299810762752 | Nov 16 23:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @bfeld: if you want to really understand how fucked up software patents are, read this. it's brutal. http://t.co/aC7IablW | Nov 16 23:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 16 23:46 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/zoobab/statuses/136185846570303488 | Nov 16 23:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @zoobab: Un programa de compresión de archivos o de cifrado puede patentarse en Europa (compression is patentable in Europe) http://t.co/fO2uhsrl | Nov 16 23:49 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/zoobab/statuses/136187191893299200 | Nov 16 23:49 |
| schestowitz | Florian uis smearing Google again | Nov 16 23:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 16 23:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @zoobab: @FOSSpatents @sai Shooting is the last thing to do, but the software patent debate has always been a deaf dialogue | Nov 16 23:49 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/zoobab/statuses/136190933447344128 | Nov 16 23:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @zoobab: Father Of The Internet Says "Shoot The Patent Lawyer", shooting might not be enough to get rid of those parasites http://t.co/09Pg8Ymz | Nov 16 23:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 16 23:50 |
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