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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Over on Diaspora: My continuing opinions of Skyrim (PS3) I've just finished my second sitting with it http://ur1.ca/60y16 | Nov 24 00:17 | |
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| schestowitz | sebsebseb: "Article is cool, but can't find anything on the site but the RC. Maybe it'll be posted later? " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/874526 | Nov 24 00:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 24 00:20 |
| schestowitz | It seems as though this site jumped the gun and the release is not final yet. | Nov 24 00:21 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: exactly | Nov 24 00:28 |
| schestowitz | Some sun tomorrow :-) http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2643123 | Nov 24 00:29 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Anon "leaks" Facebook's 2010 law enforcement guidelines, which have been available on the EFF website since Jan: https://eff.org/r.H7t #foia | Nov 24 00:38 | |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/85661510 http://identi.ca/notice/85661896 http://identi.ca/notice/85661906 | Nov 24 00:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Thursday, 24-Nov-11 00:01:56 UTC - Identi.ca: Fox News Blames Pepper Spray on Students Not Police? http://ur1.ca/60xp8 #fox #murdoch | Nov 24 00:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: Fox News Blames Pepper Spray on Students Not Police? - YouTube .::. Size~: 126.89 KB | Nov 24 00:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Thursday, 24-Nov-11 00:17:54 UTC - Identi.ca: Links 23/11/2011: SeaMonkey 2.5, Google To Kill Knol http://ur1.ca/60y3c #techrights | Nov 24 00:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: Links 23/11/2011: SeaMonkey 2.5, Google To Kill Knol | Techrights .::. Size~: 133.47 KB | Nov 24 00:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Schestowitz (schestowitz)'s status on Thursday, 24-Nov-11 00:18:22 UTC - Identi.ca: PhDs Becoming Worthless in America http://ur1.ca/60y42 generalises to other fields, too | Nov 24 00:43 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[nhi/@nhi] ♺ @EFF: Dutch Parliament says no to #ACTA secrecy! It won't consider ACTA unless all negotiation texts are public - http://t.co/ZHw5HOcl | Nov 24 01:32 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2127253/nokia-lumia-800-sales-forecast-chopped> | Nov 24 01:56 |
| schestowitz | <quote> | Nov 24 01:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Nokia Lumia 800 sales forecast gets chopped - The Inquirer .::. Size~: 68.33 KB | Nov 24 01:57 |
| schestowitz | FINNISH PHONE FIRM Nokia's flagship Lumia 800 smartphone sales | Nov 24 01:57 |
| schestowitz | forecast has been cut in half. | Nov 24 01:57 |
| schestowitz | Nokia has finally launched its flagship Lumia 800 Windows Phone 7.5 | Nov 24 01:57 |
| schestowitz | smartphone recently, but things aren't looking all that great. Initial | Nov 24 01:57 |
| schestowitz | forecasts for sales of the handset have been slashed from two million | Nov 24 01:57 |
| schestowitz | to less than one million, according to The Guardian. | Nov 24 01:57 |
| schestowitz | James Faucette, analyst at Pacific Coast said, "We believe that | Nov 24 01:57 |
| schestowitz | shipments of Nokia's new Windows Phone 7 have been lower than we had | Nov 24 01:57 |
| schestowitz | previously anticipated." | Nov 24 01:57 |
| schestowitz | "We had expected that the company could ship as many as 2 [million] | Nov 24 01:57 |
| schestowitz | units into the six targeted markets for the holidays; however, we now | Nov 24 01:57 |
| schestowitz | believe that those shipments are likely to be less than 1 [million] | Nov 24 01:57 |
| schestowitz | for the quarter." | Nov 24 01:57 |
| schestowitz | </quote> | Nov 24 01:57 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] A college student offers his perspective on the UC Davis #OWS pepper spray incident. http://head4.me/1 | Nov 24 03:35 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: A call for moral leadership | Global Constant .::. Size~: 18.91 KB | Nov 24 03:35 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] Planning gradual nonuse of identi.ca apart from possible occasional #troll'ing of @bkuhn. See you on the other side (G+). !heehaw | Nov 24 03:45 | |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WWi3jGyyfRY&feature=related | Nov 24 04:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: I'M 15 AND I'VE SLEPT WITH MEN OVER 300 TIMES! - YouTube .::. Size~: 96.82 KB | Nov 24 04:49 |
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| Diablo-D3 | someone ban whoever pasted that url | Nov 24 04:53 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] They arrested Mona Eltahawy at #tahrir some three hours ago. She is a true hero. Please all, help to #FreeMona. | Nov 24 05:53 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/11/23/210241/osha-app-costs-govt-200k | Nov 24 06:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: OSHA App Costs Gov't $200k - Slashdot .::. Size~: 206.24 KB | Nov 24 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | Government Android Your Rights Online | Nov 24 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | OSHA App Costs Gov't $200k | Nov 24 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | Posted by samzenpus on Wednesday November 23, @04:52PM | Nov 24 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | from the money-well-spent dept. | Nov 24 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | itwbennett writes "How much does it cost to make a phone app to tell local temperature and suggest how not to get heatstroke, such as drink water and avoid alcohol? If you're the U.S. Government, it'll cost you a pretty penny. Using MuckRock to file a Freedom of Information Act, Rich Jones of GUN.IO discovered the Department of Labor, Occupational Safety and Health Administration paid $106,467 for the Android version; $96,000 for the iPhone | Nov 24 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | version, and an additional $40,000 for a BlackBerry app that never got distributed." | Nov 24 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 24 06:24 |
| Brendan_T | uhuh... | Nov 24 06:27 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] stav That's a hoot. Good advertising. Of course, now I wish I'd waited :) | Nov 24 06:27 | |
| DaemonFC | http://it.slashdot.org/story/11/11/23/193213/police-encrypt-radios-to-tune-out-public | Nov 24 06:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Police Encrypt Radios To Tune Out Public - Slashdot .::. Size~: 218.29 KB | Nov 24 06:28 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I'm betting the one month old isn't going to be interested in what's on the table. Happy thanksgiving :) | Nov 24 06:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] you mean television? | Nov 24 06:28 | |
| Brendan_T | thats pretty funny | Nov 24 06:28 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.nytimes.com/2011/11/24/us/7-arrested-in-hair-cutting-attacks-on-amish-in-ohio.html?_r=1 | Nov 24 06:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Missing content type. Ignoring. | Nov 24 06:33 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[clacke/@clacke] RT @lovenemesis Come to !China: Learn How #SOPA Will Ruin Your #Internet Life in a Hard Way. http://is.gd/fb4i32 | Nov 24 06:43 | |
| Brendan_T | Diablo-D3: http://fuckbluray.com/ | Nov 24 06:43 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Blu-Ray Sucks, Boycott Blu-ray, BluRay, BlueRay, Blue Ray | fuckbluray.com .::. Size~: 14.92 KB | Nov 24 06:43 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] The pepper-spraying cop gets Photoshop justice http://gu.com/p/33t3c | Nov 24 06:52 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The pepper-spraying cop gets Photoshop justice | Xeni Jardin | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 246.09 KB | Nov 24 06:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] wow, 20yrs since #FreddieMercury died, didn't think it was that long #Queen | Nov 24 06:57 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] rd @krystalline_k #OccupyToronto rally with the #OFL THURSDAY. March from St. James Park at 11am Meet at city hall at 11:45 am #Toronto | Nov 24 07:05 | |
| DaemonFC | https://imgur.com/r/pics/VuecB | Nov 24 07:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Not a single fuck... - Imgur .::. Size~: 9.25 KB | Nov 24 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | https://imgur.com/r/pics/pWrX9 | Nov 24 07:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: So I guess its not made out of fish. - Imgur .::. Size~: 9.34 KB | Nov 24 07:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | Brendan_T: meh, when you can crack the drm, who cares | Nov 24 07:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | it no longer matters if hollywood cant even buy technology that works | Nov 24 07:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im used to their incompetence | Nov 24 07:14 |
| DaemonFC | http://i.imgur.com/M9nO8.jpg | Nov 24 07:15 |
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| Brendan_T | It matters because the money is still going to them | Nov 24 07:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | Brendan_T: btw | Nov 24 07:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | that page is rather ad-tastic | Nov 24 07:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | and has a lot of technical flaws | Nov 24 07:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | and no, my money isnt going to them | Nov 24 07:15 |
| Diablo-D3 | do you think they honestly profit off of someone who owns like 10 blurays? | Nov 24 07:16 |
| Brendan_T | probably, but i was sold after `fuckblueray' | Nov 24 07:16 |
| Brendan_T | i have no idea | Nov 24 07:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | most of their movies just arent worth _watching_ | Nov 24 07:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | let alone owning | Nov 24 07:16 |
| DaemonFC | https://imgur.com/gallery/HI8Oo | Nov 24 07:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Ladies and Gentleman, cat with cat pattern. - Imgur .::. Size~: 71.28 KB | Nov 24 07:16 |
| Brendan_T | im not arguing against that | Nov 24 07:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | a lot of these arguments about this kind of shit is greatly undermined when the content sucks to begin with | Nov 24 07:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | the only movies I buy are the extremely few, the 1% of the 1%, that are worth repeat watching | Nov 24 07:17 |
| Brendan_T | i dont see how that undermines anything | Nov 24 07:17 |
| DaemonFC | https://imgur.com/gallery/ZZoB2 | Nov 24 07:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Kid smacks cat. - Imgur .::. Size~: 137.6 KB | Nov 24 07:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | because they spent all this money making billions of discs and thousands of players and all this fucking shit... | Nov 24 07:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | for movies no one gives a shit about | Nov 24 07:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | Brendan_T: for the most extreme and inflammatory argument I can think of | Nov 24 07:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | would anyone know who hitler was if he only killed ten jews? | Nov 24 07:19 |
| Brendan_T | i still dont get it, your handing over money... which means they get money? | Nov 24 07:19 |
| Brendan_T | in this case, there are a lot of hitlers | Nov 24 07:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, whats 6 magnitudes between friends? | Nov 24 07:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | Brendan_T: dude, the average price I've paid for a bluray is around $10 give or take. | Nov 24 07:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://img600.imageshack.us/img600/4240/picture3sj.png | Nov 24 07:20 |
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| DaemonFC | my cat :P | Nov 24 07:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | Brendan_T: congress has recently passed a law that anything less than several million cannot constitute actual currency | Nov 24 07:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | and must be referred to as "pocket change" | Nov 24 07:21 |
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| Diablo-D3 | so, yes, like a begger on the street, I gave them my pocket change. | Nov 24 07:21 |
| Brendan_T | DaemonFC: does this make any sense to you? | Nov 24 07:22 |
| Brendan_T | typically beggers will just go from person to person asking for more money | Nov 24 07:22 |
| Brendan_T | or ask for money whilst smoking a cigarette | Nov 24 07:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | Brendan_T: when I bought a bluray from them, it was the most important day of their lives, but to me, it was just a tuesday | Nov 24 07:22 |
| Brendan_T | right..? | Nov 24 07:23 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] I am thankful for my family - wife & 2 sons. Thankful for Mom. Miss you Dad. Thanks also to my wonderful Sister & her family! Friends+++ | Nov 24 07:23 | |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, everyone has DaemonFC on ignore | Nov 24 07:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes our local troll | Nov 24 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | everyone being him | Nov 24 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | he the local fucktard | Nov 24 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 24 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | he clearly can't count | Nov 24 07:25 |
| Brendan_T | fight fight fight? | Nov 24 07:25 |
| DaemonFC | 29 people in the room - 1 = everyone has me on ignore | Nov 24 07:25 |
| Brendan_T | Diablo-D3: he called you a stinky nose | Nov 24 07:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | hes said worse things. | Nov 24 07:26 |
| Brendan_T | there are worse? | Nov 24 07:27 |
| DaemonFC | he has a stinky nose, but it's not that bad if you've smelled his stinky vagina | Nov 24 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 24 07:28 |
| Brendan_T | do you have him on ignore in return? | Nov 24 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | no | Nov 24 07:29 |
| DaemonFC | https://imgur.com/gallery/jTe09 | Nov 24 07:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Dangit. - Imgur .::. Size~: 46.11 KB | Nov 24 07:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | night all | Nov 24 07:36 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @dekaminski: State Dept is aware of apparent arrest & beating of @MonaEltahawy and says it's on the case. #FreeMona | Nov 24 08:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] The short user manual for new #Tor users is now available in Arabic: https://www.torproject.org/dist/manual/short-user-manual_ar.xhtml | Nov 24 08:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] French government tenders for open source support http://ur1.ca/60g1k #france #europe #software #gnu #opensource #tender #microsoft #windows | Nov 24 08:30 | |
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| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/fcassia/statuses/139571944549908480 | Nov 24 08:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @fcassia: A cloud computing evangelist now follows me after I said "fog computing" -I've a feeling we're not in Kansas any more ;) cc/@schestowitz ;-) | Nov 24 08:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Linux syslog may be on way out http://ur1.ca/61bdp #linux #gnu #syslog | Nov 24 08:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Sarkozy Worried About The Internet 'Stealing Audience Share' From 'Regulated' TV Services - http://bit.ly/v2sHaI </facepalm> #france | Nov 24 09:23 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[kernellogauthor/@kernellogauthor] #Linux #kernel 3.2-rc3 - "just in time for Thanksgiving" http://bit.ly/t7tXQb "[…] most of the commits are pretty small and reasonable […]" | Nov 24 09:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Dutch parliament refuses #ACTA secrecy - http://bit.ly/tWa1Xk kudos; so who else has the guts to do this? #nl #transparency | Nov 24 09:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #China’s ‘water army’ of paid-to-post web commenters analysed in new report - http://tnw.co/tbIBI2 fascinating glimpse of this huge effect | Nov 24 09:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] ISPA, LINX and ORG insist on Court Orders for #Nominet's domain suspensions - http://bit.ly/tTxy8Y update on bad stuff in #uk | Nov 24 09:43 | |
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| MinceR | geekings | Nov 24 09:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] UNDP Open Data site - http://bit.ly/t9fd1v this is good to see #opendata #un | Nov 24 09:48 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/874625 "I would not rely to much on page hits on Distrowatch anyway. The Google Insights graph is interesting, though, but only scratches the surface, too." | Nov 24 09:51 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] "a dyslexic man walks into a bra" and other #AntiJokes http://anti-joke.com/ !lol | Nov 24 09:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Minister: UK music industry a huge success - http://bit.ly/vznRn9 thus confirming piracy "damage" still unproven by #evidence | Nov 24 09:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Failure to catch climate email hacker is the real scandal - http://bit.ly/t1GRkX come on, people, *somebody* out there must know | Nov 24 09:58 | |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Failure to catch climate email hacker is the real scandal | Damian Carrington | Environment | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 262.95 KB | Nov 24 09:58 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Indian Government To Popularise Use Of Open Source - http://bit.ly/tpjRsn let's hope - hugely important market #opensource #india | Nov 24 10:08 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W7RDMGf5uAs | Nov 24 10:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Violations of human rights as a result of #GM soy - http://bit.ly/rRgpaC now that's an original approach | Nov 24 10:12 | |
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| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfEtywGAR0o | Nov 24 10:35 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Govt of India drafting policy on device drivers for hardware procurement http://ur1.ca/61f1y (pdf) Great step forward. !fsfe | Nov 24 11:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @NeelieKroesEU: Hello India! Here to learn more about India's incredible ICT sector. Meetings w/ industr http://p.ost.im/p/eSnC4q | Nov 24 11:08 | |
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| schestowitz | http://broadcast.oreilly.com/2011/06/one-year-later-adobe-abandons.html | Nov 24 11:26 |
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| schestowitz | " | Nov 24 11:26 |
| schestowitz | Last year Bruce Byfield, in an article for Datamation, quoted KDE's | Nov 24 11:26 |
| schestowitz | Aaron Seigo placing Linux desktop adoption at anywhere between 8% and | Nov 24 11:26 |
| schestowitz | 12%. My own research and analysis lead me to write an article last | Nov 24 11:26 |
| schestowitz | September that also put the number at 8% or more. | Nov 24 11:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 24 11:26 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Sure it's not perfect, but look at the general situation out there. Most govts I know are nowhere near as enlightened. | Nov 24 11:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] I get kernel panics daily, it happens when I wake up! | Nov 24 12:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] !tzag Identizens. Bill Gates, Novell attorney spar in heated courtroom testimony. http://ur1.ca/61gor | Nov 24 12:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Sympathetic judge frees WikiLeaks truck | AtlanticWire http://t.co/r6hcxpzq | Nov 24 12:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Today: UK Parliament debate on Assange + other extradition abuses, live 2.30 pm GMT http://t.co/Y5Lm9gHC | Nov 24 12:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Michael Geist - Dutch Parliament Refuses #ACTA Secrecy http://goo.gl/k27mo !copyright | Nov 24 13:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Dear #Diaspora - when you send a notification concerning an item (like a post) *please* send a *link* to that item alon http://ur1.ca/61hcq | Nov 24 13:13 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] RT @clacke China uses protectionist censorship? http://is.gd/70TbcI No worries, US catching up. https://www.mozilla.org/sopa/ /via @gbra ... | Nov 24 13:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Samsung "Next Big Thing" Galaxy S II Commercial - YouTube - LOL dedicated to all the iphony fanboys out there! http://ur1.ca/61ib7 | Nov 24 13:33 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/874625 "I prefer Pixar when it comes to animation. A GUI should not draw attention to itself, Xfce to the rescue. " | Nov 24 13:39 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] it was a joke about an insect farting on the power cable, bringing the server down | Nov 24 13:43 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] French government tenders for open source support - The H Open Source - #france #flossfiles http://goo.gl/Bm1Dz | Nov 24 13:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Watch the replay: Lessons learned for building open source communities | http://red.ht/t6m0Qp #drupal #linux | Nov 24 14:07 | |
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| cubezzz | tch, I can't get BBC 5 live radio | Nov 24 14:41 |
| schestowitz | you can get bbc word (video) live | Nov 24 14:42 |
| schestowitz | *world | Nov 24 14:42 |
| schestowitz | bbl, off for swim... should back back in about 3 hours and online | Nov 24 14:46 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Gnome tip: yum install gpointing-device-settings. gives you two finger scrolling on a touchpad. Nice, very nice. | Nov 24 15:43 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good luck! | Nov 24 16:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] Indian Government To Popularise Use Of Open Source http://ur1.ca/5vxmz #gnu #linux #software #india #egovt | Nov 24 16:48 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Graphic: how national income has shrunk for the poorest. http://ur1.ca/61n00 | Nov 24 17:42 | |
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| koolhead17 | hi all | Nov 24 17:42 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rsandu/@rsandu] European Court of Justice rejects ‘SOPA-like’ online piracy filter http://ur1.ca/61p6w #sopa #europe #censorship #internet #law | Nov 24 19:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Lauren Ipsum, a book about CompSci for kids http://identi.ca/url/60805478 | Nov 24 19:08 | |
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| DaemonFC | The KDE 4.8 alpha is packaged for Fedora 17 | Nov 24 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | err, beta I mean | Nov 24 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | alpha is .7x | Nov 24 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | beta is .8x | Nov 24 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.kde.org/announcements/announce-4.8-beta1.php | Nov 24 19:19 |
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| prurigro | DaemonFC: Yo, I'm looking for a quality, yet user friendly distro to setup on my step dad's box so he can run VMs ontop, would you recommend Fedora? and can you think of any reasons it might not be the best choice? | Nov 24 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora GNOME would probably have him throwing the computer out of the window | Nov 24 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 24 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora KDE is great if you have the system for it (most anything since 2005 or so runs it without a hitch) | Nov 24 19:21 |
| DaemonFC | if it's old or a mobile system with low specs, XFCE and LXDE work | Nov 24 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | I prefer XFCE since it has a better window manager | Nov 24 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | among other things | Nov 24 19:22 |
| prurigro | lol, their gnome build isn't the best? | Nov 24 19:22 |
| prurigro | I was thinking more in the direction of kde or xfce tbh | Nov 24 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME 3.x is stable enough | Nov 24 19:22 |
| prurigro | he's an old school windows user | Nov 24 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | it's just that the GUI makes absolutely no sense at all | Nov 24 19:22 |
| DaemonFC | KDE is stable and has pretty much anything a power user would want | Nov 24 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | a Windows user would immediately know more or less what they were doing | Nov 24 19:23 |
| prurigro | lol, I was forced to get used to the gnome3 gui thanks to a 90hr/week job at a startup, and now I swear by it, but yea, I'm not gonna subject him to the learning curve | Nov 24 19:23 |
| prurigro | but yea, KDE seemed like the best choice | Nov 24 19:23 |
| prurigro | I just wasn't sure if fedora would be a good distro to setup and leave someone with | Nov 24 19:24 |
| prurigro | who hadn't really used linux before | Nov 24 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | GNOME 3.x is Big Ass Phone Linux Edition | Nov 24 19:24 |
| prurigro | last time I used 'fedora' it was still redhat | Nov 24 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 8 is Big Ass Phone Microsoft Edition | Nov 24 19:24 |
| prurigro | gnome 3.x is more than that, if you give it a chance | Nov 24 19:24 |
| DaemonFC | I don't like the layout of these new desktops that pretend a PC is a really big phone | Nov 24 19:24 |
| prurigro | I'd argue Unity is Big Ass Phone Linux Edition | Nov 24 19:24 |
| prurigro | Gnome3 still runs document orientation | Nov 24 19:25 |
| prurigro | as well as app | Nov 24 19:25 |
| MinceR | i agree with the Ass part ;) | Nov 24 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | Half Assed | Nov 24 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 24 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | a GUI made for a small touchscreen doesn't scale well to a 26" monitor | Nov 24 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | and a mouse and keyboard | Nov 24 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | KDE has a netbook interface and a desktop one | Nov 24 19:26 |
| prurigro | Gnome3 wouldn't work on a small touch screen | Nov 24 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | and with Plasma Active, it will have one for tablets too | Nov 24 19:26 |
| prurigro | it barely works on my 10.5 inch laptop | Nov 24 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | instead of reducing it to one desktop built for the least common denominator | Nov 24 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | it's not hard for them to maintain | Nov 24 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | each desktop uses the same toolkit and the same KDE technologies | Nov 24 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | Unity is done up with Qt and GTK+ depending on which version of it you use | Nov 24 19:27 |
| prurigro | oh I didn't know that | Nov 24 19:27 |
| prurigro | sounds like a bluecurve attempt | Nov 24 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | so there is a lot of duplication, not as much code reuse, and lots of discrepancies | Nov 24 19:27 |
| DaemonFC | the Qt version uses the deprecated window manager Metacity | Nov 24 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | with a bunch of Ubuntu patching | Nov 24 19:28 |
| prurigro | I find Unity's setup the wrong way at the core | Nov 24 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | and the GTK+ version uses Compiz Broken | Nov 24 19:28 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 24 19:28 |
| prurigro | like, gnome3 can be made much more similar to the way people want it via extensions, and KDE can be setup more tablet-oriented via extensions as well according to you | Nov 24 19:29 |
| MinceR | i preferred the desktop version of kde even on the netbook | Nov 24 19:29 |
| prurigro | but I can't picture anything bringing unity to the way I'd want it | Nov 24 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | Bluecurve was never as bad as Unity | Nov 24 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | Bluecurve was only trying to blend two different toolkits that don't map well to one another | Nov 24 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | Unity is doing it with three toolkits | Nov 24 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | Qt 4, GTK+ 3, and GTK+2 | Nov 24 19:30 |
| prurigro | I think Bluecurve was a good initiative minus the actual desktop UI part | Nov 24 19:30 |
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| prurigro | a common theme was much needed at that time | Nov 24 19:30 |
| DaemonFC | prurigro: I think Oxygen-GTK is a good initiative :) | Nov 24 19:30 |
| prurigro | well there are a number of excellent options now days | Nov 24 19:31 |
| prurigro | on that note | Nov 24 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | the newer versions also take care of putting dialogs in the right order | Nov 24 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | Yes No | Nov 24 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | OK Cancel | Nov 24 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | whereas GTK prefers | Nov 24 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | No Yes | Nov 24 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | Cancel OK | Nov 24 19:31 |
| DaemonFC | like Mac does | Nov 24 19:31 |
| prurigro | haha, you don't say | Nov 24 19:31 |
| prurigro | I never go with default toolkit layouts myself | Nov 24 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | the only thing Oxygen-GTK doesn't fix are GNOME file dialogs | Nov 24 19:32 |
| prurigro | so I haven't run into that issue | Nov 24 19:32 |
| prurigro | oh? | Nov 24 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | biggest difference is GTK's uses double clicks | Nov 24 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | while KDE's uses single clicks like its file managers do | Nov 24 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | kgtk-wrapper can fix that | Nov 24 19:32 |
| DaemonFC | it was dropped from Fedora 16 though for lack of a maintainer | Nov 24 19:33 |
| DaemonFC | prurigro: I also recommend oxygen-KDE for Firefox | Nov 24 19:34 |
| DaemonFC | it makes Firefox look like a native KDE web browser | Nov 24 19:35 |
| prurigro | is that the default in Fedora? | Nov 24 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | no | Nov 24 19:35 |
| prurigro | is it available? | Nov 24 19:35 |
| DaemonFC | but you can get it from Mozilla add ons | Nov 24 19:35 |
| prurigro | oh, no kidding- completely separate extension eh? | Nov 24 19:35 |
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| DaemonFC | it's two extensions installed in one package | Nov 24 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | one is a theme and one is to configure the theme options unique to it | Nov 24 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox without it looks like half KDE and half GNOME application | Nov 24 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | truly bizarre | Nov 24 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | without it it still picks up on yourKDE color scheme and icon set | Nov 24 19:37 |
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| DaemonFC | but the menu and borders and stuff it draws don't look like KDE's | Nov 24 19:37 |
| prurigro | hmm, I know what you say-- interesting | Nov 24 19:38 |
| prurigro | I guess the only other option is to use that kde theme that makes kde look like gnome, which might be defeating the purpose at that point eh? :) | Nov 24 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | there's still a qtcurve port to GTK 2 and QT 3 and 4 | Nov 24 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | if you make that your theme in all of them, your applications all look the same | Nov 24 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | but I like Oxygen better | Nov 24 19:39 |
| prurigro | yea, I'd tend to agree | Nov 24 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | there was Oxygen Molecule for a while | Nov 24 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | but it's unmaintained | Nov 24 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | still works | Nov 24 19:40 |
| prurigro | a fork? | Nov 24 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | GTK has problems with it though | Nov 24 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | no | Nov 24 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | it predates Oxygen-GTK | Nov 24 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | no reason to use it in preference now | Nov 24 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | Molecule made GTK widgets render slowly in some cases | Nov 24 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | Oxygen-GTK doesn't | Nov 24 19:41 |
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| prurigro | ahh word, sounds like oxygen-gtk is the way to go | Nov 24 19:42 |
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| DaemonFC | QtCurve is not terrible | Nov 24 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | Oxygen is better | Nov 24 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | either one of them beats having an unmatched GTK theme in KDE | Nov 24 19:43 |
| prurigro | totally | Nov 24 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QtCurve | Nov 24 19:45 |
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| prurigro | its funny, qt matches up with gnome so easily | Nov 24 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | no support for GTK 3 at all either way, yet | Nov 24 19:46 |
| prurigro | the other way around | Nov 24 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | Oxygen-GTK has a GTK 3 port but it's currently alpha quality | Nov 24 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | they asked Fedora not to package it | Nov 24 19:46 |
| prurigro | you don't use konqueror anymore I guess btw? | Nov 24 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | since most of the GTK applications a KDE user is likely to use are still on GTK 2 it's not much of an issue | Nov 24 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | I use Firefox an Opera | Nov 24 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | depending on what mood I'm in | Nov 24 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | one makes me mad and I use the other for a while | Nov 24 19:47 |
| prurigro | is opera opensource these days? | Nov 24 19:47 |
| prurigro | I can't remember | Nov 24 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | no | Nov 24 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | it has open source components though | Nov 24 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | for which Opera contributes to and makes source available for | Nov 24 19:48 |
| prurigro | hmm, ala virtualbox? or do you need the closed parts? | Nov 24 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | their layout engine is proprietary | Nov 24 19:48 |
| prurigro | ahh | Nov 24 19:48 |
| prurigro | you'd think they'd focus on their server backend as the proprietary end | Nov 24 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | I only use Virtualbox to open an instance of Windows XP that I don't want installed on bare metal | Nov 24 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | and not often | Nov 24 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | I already had a retail Windows XP license from way back | Nov 24 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | not many people know it, but Microsoft will let you deactivate a retail license on one system | Nov 24 19:49 |
| MinceR | well, Bluecurve led to QtCurve and that's good stuff :> | Nov 24 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | and reactivate it on a new one | Nov 24 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | OEM licenses don't let you do that | Nov 24 19:50 |
| MinceR | the overwhelming majority of winblows licenses are OEM | Nov 24 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | Virtualbox counts as one installation of XP | Nov 24 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | right | Nov 24 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | they don't have to deal with people reusing their Windows licenses a lot because most buy OEM licenses over and over | Nov 24 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | and they're use it once and burn it licenses | Nov 24 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | you save like $20 and you only get to use it once | Nov 24 19:51 |
| MinceR | well, they don't get to not buy an OEM license and buy a retail license instead | Nov 24 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | so if you went through 2-3 PCs over the span of XP, you bought XP three times if you went with OEM | Nov 24 19:51 |
| MinceR | the m$ tax strikes m$ users as well | Nov 24 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | right, if you buy a PC that comes with Windows, then the OEM version of the EULA says that Windows license is a part of that computer | Nov 24 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | if you get a retail license, you can deactivate and reactivate as many times as you want | Nov 24 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | as long as it's only on one PC at a time | Nov 24 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | you're not saving money buying an OEM license | Nov 24 19:53 |
| prurigro | DaemonFC: yea, you have to call them- though, OEM licenses don't you say eh? | Nov 24 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | you're just paying more when you get a new system later | Nov 24 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | OEM licenses state Microsoft doesn't support it, the OEM does | Nov 24 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | if you bought and installed the OEM version, you are tech support | Nov 24 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 24 19:53 |
| prurigro | apparently its actually cheaper to get windows these days, on that note | Nov 24 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | the retail version includes three support incidents from Microsoft | Nov 24 19:54 |
| prurigro | than nothing | Nov 24 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | by phone or email | Nov 24 19:54 |
| prurigro | since they cram so much crapware in with the install | Nov 24 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | you can buy an OEM license yourself | Nov 24 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | it jsut means you can only use the license once | Nov 24 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | and you don't get tech support | Nov 24 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | if that's worth saving $20 for you, go right ahead | Nov 24 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | if you have to buy Windows, get the Professional edition, retail | Nov 24 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | then you have a Windows license you can reuse on newer machines for the next 10 years | Nov 24 19:55 |
| schestowitz | enjoying thanksgiving, DaemonFC? Either way, have a happy one | Nov 24 19:55 |
| MinceR | or you could download it illegally, not pay anything, install on any number of PCs and not get tech support :> | Nov 24 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Dinner is at 5 :) | Nov 24 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | still at my house | Nov 24 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | the version of XP I have in Virtualbox now is the same license I bought in 2001 | Nov 24 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | it's not a pirate copy | Nov 24 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | and I've used it on several machines and now a virtual machine | Nov 24 19:57 |
| prurigro | DaemonFC: I've been using the like 10 licenses I got through my university for the last ~5 years haha | Nov 24 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | I have used some remastering tools to integrate Service Pack 3, IE 8, Windows Media Player 11, and I redo it every several months | Nov 24 19:57 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: cool... just found https://joindiaspora.com/posts/880248 | Nov 24 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | to add new DIrectX runtime releases | Nov 24 19:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 24 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | and hotfixes | Nov 24 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | it includes over 100 fixes that were not made available to the public | Nov 24 19:58 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/880241 LOL, reminds me of Sega Gamegear... I had one | Nov 24 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | sometimes Microsoft only passes out fixes to people with an MSDN or Technet subscription or enterprise customers | Nov 24 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | the idea is it might be a broken hotfix and they don't want to support a general release of it | Nov 24 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | usually an updated version of the fix is bundled into a service pack later | Nov 24 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | but since there are not going to be any more service packs for XP... | Nov 24 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 24 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Mega Pegasus or Reindeer? | Nov 24 20:00 |
| prurigro | yup, they finally got 7 to catch on | Nov 24 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | (old Sega commercial where the dad couldn't remember what his kids wanted) | Nov 24 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 24 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | prurigro: They claim they did | Nov 24 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | most Windows 7 corporate licenses are still downgraded to XP | Nov 24 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | more than half of them | Nov 24 20:01 |
| prurigro | that's because of product support though | Nov 24 20:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 24 20:01 |
| prurigro | apps work in 7, but aren't supported | Nov 24 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | it's because businesses don't consider XP Mode an option | Nov 24 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | and if you've used it, you'd know why | Nov 24 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | the thing is dead slow and opens up your Windows 7 to attack by malware that works in Windows XP | Nov 24 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of Windows XP malware works in Windows 7 too, but this way you can get all of it | Nov 24 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | hooray | Nov 24 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 24 20:02 |
| prurigro | lol you don't say | Nov 24 20:02 |
| prurigro | so basically, same shit but slower | Nov 24 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | it also opens up Windows 7 64-bit to Windows 16-bit malware | Nov 24 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 7 x64 can't run any 16-bit software | Nov 24 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | but that virtual copy of XP with access to your Windows 7 filesystem can | Nov 24 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | it keeps Windows XP malware alive forever | Nov 24 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | and so Microsoft recommends running antivirus on the Host Windows 7 system | Nov 24 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | and inside the Windows XP Guest system | Nov 24 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 24 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, not making this up | Nov 24 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | prurigro: Microsoft Virtual PC is the worst virtualization option out there | Nov 24 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | almost anything else that is still maintained by anyone outperforms it and has more features | Nov 24 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | and that's what XP Mode is based on | Nov 24 20:05 |
| prurigro | it seems like its either xen or vmware for server setups, and vbox/vmware for desktop setups | Nov 24 20:06 |
| prurigro | never heard of anyone using virtual PC, and they give it away for free | Nov 24 20:06 |
| prurigro | go figure eh | Nov 24 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | there's kvm | Nov 24 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | qemu can tap into that | Nov 24 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | so does spice | Nov 24 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | through qemu-kvm | Nov 24 20:07 |
| prurigro | qemu is good, but not hardware accelerated last I used it | Nov 24 20:07 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: old sega days remind me when I was at the shop (Nintendo days, pre-Super Nintendo) and the shelf for PC games had Dune, the console of choice was the Sega... and expensive | Nov 24 20:07 |
| prurigro | kvm is just a kernel extension no? | Nov 24 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kernel-based_Virtual_Machine | Nov 24 20:08 |
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| prurigro | to offer a passthrough and turn the kernel into a mini hypervisor? | Nov 24 20:08 |
| schestowitz | And Police Quest was just about to come out... I played the first view versions... lost interest after 3 | Nov 24 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | it's a hypervisor layer for any CPU with hardware assisted virtualization | Nov 24 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | AMD-V works fine with it | Nov 24 20:08 |
| schestowitz | prurigro: yes, Red Hat put it there | Nov 24 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | my CPU supports that | Nov 24 20:08 |
| schestowitz | around 2.6.38 | Nov 24 20:09 |
| prurigro | If I understand correctly, xen uses kvm too though? | Nov 24 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | VirtualBox also uses AMD-V if you have it | Nov 24 20:09 |
| schestowitz | maybe earlier even | Nov 24 20:09 |
| prurigro | and word, that's actually fairly recently | Nov 24 20:09 |
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| prurigro | I think you could add it into the kernel yourself earlier | Nov 24 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X86_virtualization#AMD_virtualization_.28AMD-V.29 | Nov 24 20:09 |
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| schestowitz | KVM is awesome | Nov 24 20:09 |
| schestowitz | we moved to it on clients' 300+ machine cluster | Nov 24 20:09 |
| schestowitz | from vmware | Nov 24 20:09 |
| schestowitz | and the web GUI, proxmon, makes it easy to manage, plus other nice tools | Nov 24 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | I'm using all AMD lately | Nov 24 20:10 |
| schestowitz | proxmox | Nov 24 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | they're more open source friendly than Intel or Nvidia are | Nov 24 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | they could stand to be better than they are | Nov 24 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | but some support beats some that only their hardware can use (Intel) or go fuck yourself (Nvidia) | Nov 24 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | Nvidia sometimes submits bug fixes to X.org | Nov 24 20:11 |
| DaemonFC | but only when it's blocking something they want to do with their proprietary driver | Nov 24 20:11 |
| prurigro | schestowitz: I'm gonna have to tell my friend that, who took the vmware cert and swears by it | Nov 24 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | it's better than nothing but only slightly | Nov 24 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | out of the typical 500-600 bugs fixed in a server release, about 1% of them are from Nvidia | Nov 24 20:12 |
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| DaemonFC | they dropped nv, nv was actually working worse than vesa | Nov 24 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | by the time the layers of obfuscated code Nvidia put in nv had all taken their toll, it was slower than vesa | Nov 24 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | so now they ignore nouveau totally and recommend using vesa long enough to install their proprietary driver | Nov 24 20:14 |
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| DaemonFC | they obfuscated everything, even the code to represent a constant was obfuscated | Nov 24 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | and there were a grand total of zero comments | Nov 24 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | and no documentation ever released to anyone to describe their hardware | Nov 24 20:15 |
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| DaemonFC | X11's maintainers have never been free software people | Nov 24 20:16 |
| DaemonFC | they've always been open source as you can possibly get | Nov 24 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | they've all been total whores that have allowed broken code from any company with a device to accumulate | Nov 24 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | no matter what it ended up doing to the user | Nov 24 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of the "Linux" netbooks and such out there have Nvidia Ion GPUs | Nov 24 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | you'll want to avoid those | Nov 24 20:18 |
| DaemonFC | in fact, avoid anything mobile with Intel in it, because a lot of it has Ion or Poulsbo, which is even worse | Nov 24 20:19 |
| prurigro | hmm no kidding | Nov 24 20:19 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Poulsbo has no support anywhere except a 32-bit only blob | Nov 24 20:20 |
| prurigro | I guess I'm stuck with nvidia then eh | Nov 24 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | which last worked with Ubuntu 10.04 | Nov 24 20:20 |
| schestowitz | not sure | Nov 24 20:20 |
| schestowitz | They had a release some days ago | Nov 24 20:20 |
| schestowitz | and IIRC that outht to work with more recent versions of X and the respective distros | Nov 24 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | for some reason Stallman has gone crazy and is recommending Nvidia now | Nov 24 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | which is ridiculous | Nov 24 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | he should treat Nouveau like he has LAME or Mono | Nov 24 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | "It should exist, but you shouldn't use it" | Nov 24 20:21 |
| schestowitz | prurigro: the mgration away from vsphere can take a while, but easier with some practice and experience. Then you can shave off massive vmware fees. | Nov 24 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | if you have an Nvidia card already, use Nouveau, but don't buy a new one and expect it to just work | Nov 24 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | and you're funding a company that is not helping things at all | Nov 24 20:22 |
| schestowitz | MS boycotted ATI for a long tim | Nov 24 20:23 |
| schestowitz | *RMS | Nov 24 20:23 |
| schestowitz | *time | Nov 24 20:23 |
| schestowitz | I should really not recline on the couch when I type, but hey, it's Thanksgiving | Nov 24 20:23 |
| prurigro | schestowitz: I honestly believe that open source is the best long term answer for anything, free software or not | Nov 24 20:24 |
| prurigro | schestowitz: are you in the US of A? | Nov 24 20:24 |
| schestowitz | http://www.fsf.org/blogs/community/rms-ati-protest.html | Nov 24 20:24 |
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| DaemonFC | The reason RMS says free software MP3 and .NET stuff should exist is because there's people that already have MP3s or programs written in .NET | Nov 24 20:24 |
| prurigro | DaemonFC: how well does nouveau work? | Nov 24 20:24 |
| prurigro | .NET *shudders* | Nov 24 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | but he says new MP3s shouldn't be made and neither should new programs that use .NET | Nov 24 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | I feel the same way about Nouveau and Nvidia | Nov 24 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | prurigro: on a Geforce 9800 or lower, it works quite well | Nov 24 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | rivaling their proprietary driver in many cases | Nov 24 20:25 |
| prurigro | including acceleration? | Nov 24 20:25 |
| prurigro | I'm on a 8800 GTX | Nov 24 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | on newer than Geforce 9, some things work badly, or not at all | Nov 24 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | oh yeah | Nov 24 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | 8800 would work fine | Nov 24 20:26 |
| prurigro | interesting, and its free software? | Nov 24 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | it's why I said never buy a new Nvidia card and expect it will work, like a new AMD card would | Nov 24 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | because Nouveau is reverse engineered | Nov 24 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | and the lag time to a working driver can be a year or two for new hardware | Nov 24 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | yes, it's free software | Nov 24 20:26 |
| DaemonFC | "What's your problem? We have a perfectly fine blob that taints your kernel and could do anything " | Nov 24 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | "We aren't obligated to support it forever" | Nov 24 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | "Just use that, damned freetard" | Nov 24 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | -Nvidia | Nov 24 20:28 |
| prurigro | tbh, the lag time for a working nvidia driver can take a bit | Nov 24 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | if a company points you to a blob, go find another company to buy from | Nov 24 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | you don't want to depend on a blob | Nov 24 20:30 |
| prurigro | haha | Nov 24 20:30 |
| prurigro | unfortunately, intel graphics are the only truly free company | Nov 24 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | wit ha blob, you can end up with hardware from Avermedia which last worked on Ubuntu 8.04 | Nov 24 20:30 |
| prurigro | and you need an intel proc | Nov 24 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | there goes your $300 TV tuner | Nov 24 20:30 |
| prurigro | its good to know nouveau will continue to support my card indefinitely :) | Nov 24 20:31 |
| MinceR | not that there's any PC TV tuner that doesn't suck | Nov 24 20:31 |
| MinceR | even with an antenna amplifier they're horribly insensitive | Nov 24 20:32 |
| prurigro | schestowitz: are a lack of fees the only advantage? | Nov 24 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | hey _Goblin | Nov 24 21:04 |
| schestowitz | it's Thanksgiving (US), got some holidays? Some sun tomorrow :-) http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/2643123 | Nov 24 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | prurigro: I guess so | Nov 24 21:05 |
| _Goblin | Hi mate! | Nov 24 21:05 |
| schestowitz | How goes it? | Nov 24 21:06 |
| _Goblin | Sorry been a little off and on over the last few weeks.... | Nov 24 21:06 |
| schestowitz | that's ok :-) | Nov 24 21:06 |
| _Goblin | been busy at home and at work | Nov 24 21:06 |
| schestowitz | been 3 weeks since last show.. hiatus :-) | Nov 24 21:06 |
| _Goblin | :) we'll be coming back with a bang! | Nov 24 21:06 |
| _Goblin | in the next few days if youre around | Nov 24 21:06 |
| schestowitz | yeah, sure... | Nov 24 21:07 |
| schestowitz | I got too much spare time | Nov 24 21:07 |
| schestowitz | and got bored | Nov 24 21:07 |
| schestowitz | news in the US will resume Tuesday | Nov 24 21:07 |
| schestowitz | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Doom-3-Game-Has-Been-Open-Sourced-236148.shtml | Nov 24 21:08 |
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| schestowitz | worth reviewing? | Nov 24 21:08 |
| schestowitz | I played it | Nov 24 21:08 |
| schestowitz | scary s* | Nov 24 21:08 |
| schestowitz | Don't play it alone in total darkness and high volumne | Nov 24 21:09 |
| _Goblin | At the minute Ive been looking at Skyrim | Nov 24 21:09 |
| _Goblin | most disappointed. | Nov 24 21:09 |
| _Goblin | mind you it does highlight the electronic and computing industry very well | Nov 24 21:10 |
| _Goblin | everything is getting dumbed down...... from coding to gaming.....its all "accessable to all" | Nov 24 21:10 |
| _Goblin | I doubt we will ever see a David Braben again | Nov 24 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Did someone here grow up on the Alone in The Dark series? 1-3? | Nov 24 21:12 |
| schestowitz | they jumped the shark after that, but the game spooked me as a young lad | Nov 24 21:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://thomasaknight.com/blog.php?id=14 | Nov 24 21:26 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.digitimes.com/news/a20111123PD214.html | Nov 24 21:29 |
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| schestowitz | http://mrpogson.com/2011/11/23/calculating-ms-attach-rate-for-that-other-os/ "We know Apple shipped 16.7 million in the last year so the GNU/Linux units are likely (360 – 360*.85 – 16.7 = 37.3 million)/360 = 10.3%. They are selling somewhere." | Nov 24 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | prurigro: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2011-11-21/microsoft-intel-inside-suffer-as-governments-cut-spending-tech.html | Nov 24 21:32 |
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| schestowitz | _Goblin mentioned this too | Nov 24 21:33 |
| prurigro | schestowitz: god to hear cisco is being pushed away from in places | Nov 24 21:35 |
| prurigro | good* | Nov 24 21:35 |
| schestowitz | Mentioned them earlier to a neighbour | Nov 24 21:35 |
| schestowitz | How is cico doing? Vyatta just got a lot o f funding | Nov 24 21:35 |
| schestowitz | They are based off RHEL and make routing wares | Nov 24 21:36 |
| prurigro | Cisco appears to be doing fine, but they're in a lot of sectors | Nov 24 21:36 |
| schestowitz | This neighbour of mine is moving towards software and he wondered which fields are in need of skillful people, so I told him unix/Linux admins and mnetwork admins inc. cisco stuff | Nov 24 21:36 |
| schestowitz | CIsco has jabber now | Nov 24 21:36 |
| schestowitz | and they will make Linux tablets more widely used | Nov 24 21:37 |
| prurigro | cisco is picking up a lot of stuff | Nov 24 21:37 |
| schestowitz | the cash cow must still be routers | Nov 24 21:37 |
| prurigro | and does support linux, in an open source direction | Nov 24 21:37 |
| schestowitz | they violated GPL until recently | Nov 24 21:37 |
| schestowitz | Probably still do, but more carefully | Nov 24 21:37 |
| prurigro | their routers are subpar at best, but they offer support, hence being big for the same reason vmware is big over kvm (support) | Nov 24 21:37 |
| schestowitz | vmware was there early | Nov 24 21:38 |
| prurigro | I know some of the people involved | Nov 24 21:38 |
| schestowitz | and it has a strong brand | Nov 24 21:38 |
| prurigro | and the way they work, there's almost certainly gpl violation, but that's of course speculation | Nov 24 21:38 |
| prurigro | if there was a reason to violate it and a way to get away with it | Nov 24 21:38 |
| prurigro | then they have | Nov 24 21:38 |
| prurigro | lets put it that way | Nov 24 21:39 |
| prurigro | they also have database stuff like peoplesoft | Nov 24 21:40 |
| prurigro | and yea, vmware has that as well, true, but right now if you have a company considering both equally as options, they'll go with vmware because it has support | Nov 24 21:40 |
| schestowitz | wait, not Oracle? | Nov 24 21:40 |
| prurigro | oh, shit, haha, you're right- that head injury at soccer last night must have been worse than I thought lol | Nov 24 21:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.oracle.com/us/products/applications/peoplesoft-enterprise/index.html | Nov 24 21:41 |
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| prurigro | cisco != oracle | Nov 24 21:41 |
| prurigro | nm- though I still dislike their routers :) | Nov 24 21:41 |
| schestowitz | ah, ok, cross-wired | Nov 24 21:41 |
| schestowitz | but cisco bought many companies, st9ill | Nov 24 21:41 |
| schestowitz | oiaohm gets cisco cert right now | Nov 24 21:41 |
| schestowitz | maybe he finished | Nov 24 21:41 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cisco.com/web/about/doing_business/corporate_development/acquisitions/ac_year/about_cisco_acquisition_years_list.html | Nov 24 21:42 |
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| prurigro | yea, what I was saying about cisco being used above open source stuff in terms of router backends or what have you still stands for the most part | Nov 24 21:42 |
| schestowitz | I don't know any of those companies | Nov 24 21:42 |
| schestowitz | This year it seems to have bought only obscure ones | Nov 24 21:43 |
| prurigro | their gpl violation likeliness I have no experience with though | Nov 24 21:43 |
| schestowitz | brb | Nov 24 21:43 |
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| prurigro | schestowitz: kk- and I bet at least a number of these purchases have as much to do with patents as they do with the technology they come with | Nov 24 21:44 |
| schestowitz | yeah, it's a sick world | Nov 24 21:45 |
| schestowitz | I saw some of those | Nov 24 21:45 |
| schestowitz | And some colleagues' ones | Nov 24 21:45 |
| schestowitz | a site with just some words and lists of patents | Nov 24 21:45 |
| prurigro | lol! | Nov 24 21:46 |
| prurigro | as if eh | Nov 24 21:46 |
| prurigro | that whole system seriously needs to go | Nov 24 21:46 |
| prurigro | but I feel like it's gonna send a shockwave through the economic playing field in the US at the same time if it does | Nov 24 21:47 |
| prurigro | since so much money exists purely in the investment into patents | Nov 24 21:47 |
| schestowitz | Yeah | Nov 24 21:48 |
| schestowitz | I need to bite my lip next to some people at work | Nov 24 21:48 |
| schestowitz | and not call them "pile of patents" or "trying to sell/market patents" | Nov 24 21:48 |
| schestowitz | I use disrty language | Nov 24 21:49 |
| schestowitz | People are not used to it being expressed like this, patent=monopoly, inspiration, etc. | Nov 24 21:49 |
| prurigro | lol, yea, there are an awful lot of corporate types who talk about patents as though there a law of nature aren't there | Nov 24 21:49 |
| schestowitz | yeah, but they are not in science | Nov 24 21:49 |
| prurigro | its as ingrained as a religion | Nov 24 21:49 |
| schestowitz | They don't understand how scientirts work | Nov 24 21:49 |
| schestowitz | They see stuff they like in some papers and borrow ideas from these, trying to see how concepts fit together | Nov 24 21:50 |
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| prurigro | haha seriously | Nov 24 21:50 |
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| prurigro | there's a derren brown short where he essentially engineers a seemingly 100% original marketing concept | Nov 24 21:51 |
| prurigro | that two marketers produce | Nov 24 21:51 |
| schestowitz | Imagine having to give one-hour talks full of euphemisms.. "going forward, our investment in r&d and patent innovation will maximise shareholder value and we shall make "staff adjustments" and perception management to meet our goals. | Nov 24 21:51 |
| prurigro | by planting ideas around them | Nov 24 21:51 |
| prurigro | throughout their day | Nov 24 21:51 |
| prurigro | lol, that sounds like hell :) | Nov 24 21:52 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 24 21:52 |
| schestowitz | and the crowd loves it | Nov 24 21:52 |
| schestowitz | the suits | Nov 24 21:52 |
| prurigro | my brain is designed to have fun coming up with ideas, and there's a completely different style of thinking that enjoys these comforting notions that belongs to a group you've just referred to as 'suits' | Nov 24 21:53 |
| prurigro | I think they're necessary, but only for guiding creativity | Nov 24 21:53 |
| prurigro | not controlling it | Nov 24 21:53 |
| prurigro | and not creating a framework of ownership over them that works against how ideas are actually produced | Nov 24 21:54 |
| schestowitz | no | Nov 24 21:54 |
| schestowitz | the suits are needed for aplplying pressure | Nov 24 21:54 |
| schestowitz | breathing down people's necjs | Nov 24 21:54 |
| schestowitz | However, this works fine for certain jobs | Nov 24 21:54 |
| schestowitz | Not once that are creative | Nov 24 21:54 |
| schestowitz | where working under pressure makes bad results | Nov 24 21:54 |
| schestowitz | I hardly have bossing in my jobs, unless something goes amiss or progress is much slower than it ought to be | Nov 24 21:55 |
| prurigro | well that said | Nov 24 21:55 |
| prurigro | I think you can have a suit like steve jobs inspire some really good things | Nov 24 21:55 |
| prurigro | just someone whose gonna like or dislike your final product | Nov 24 21:56 |
| prurigro | and who wants something cool in a certain framework | Nov 24 21:56 |
| prurigro | suits who apply pressure don't know what they're doing | Nov 24 21:56 |
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| prurigro | off to grab a haircut-- I'll bbl | Nov 24 21:58 |
| schestowitz | prurigro: they do know what they do | Nov 24 21:58 |
| schestowitz | But it's questionable... depending on how they do it | Nov 24 21:58 |
| schestowitz | recently i had a public discussion about bosses the demoralise employees | Nov 24 21:58 |
| prurigro | I suppose if they don't mind a terrible end result | Nov 24 21:59 |
| schestowitz | And put them down and belittle their work so that their self esteem is hurt and they become apologetic, overworked, obedient | Nov 24 21:59 |
| prurigro | and lol | Nov 24 21:59 |
| schestowitz | A bit like boot camp... ego and alpha-male games | Nov 24 21:59 |
| schestowitz | my gf had that done to her | Nov 24 21:59 |
| prurigro | I had a manager try that one on me | Nov 24 21:59 |
| schestowitz | many of them do that | Nov 24 21:59 |
| schestowitz | it's antisocial | Nov 24 21:59 |
| prurigro | eventually I just smiled in his face and quit | Nov 24 21:59 |
| schestowitz | and I see the consequences | Nov 24 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Can take ages to undo | Nov 24 22:00 |
| prurigro | and he was flabbergasted | Nov 24 22:00 |
| schestowitz | (if ever) | Nov 24 22:00 |
| schestowitz | a mental scar | Nov 24 22:00 |
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| prurigro | hmm yea, my coworker at the time does seem to be dealing with self esteem issues still for it, on that note | Nov 24 22:00 |
| schestowitz | [21:58] <prurigro> off to grab a haircut-- I'll bbl | Nov 24 22:00 |
| schestowitz | Don't get the Moheecan | Nov 24 22:00 |
| prurigro | lol | Nov 24 22:00 |
| prurigro | just a trim :) | Nov 24 22:01 |
| schestowitz | cool | Nov 24 22:01 |
| prurigro | ciao for now | Nov 24 22:01 |
| schestowitz | k | Nov 24 22:01 |
| schestowitz | http://www.goldmansachs666.com/2011/11/goldman-sachs-is-participant-in.html | Nov 24 22:02 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: if you make a Hungarian diaspora pod, do you need to apply for permission from Orbanos? | Nov 24 22:05 |
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| schestowitz | XFaCE: is this kobo renamed? http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Kyobo-eReader/?kc=rss | Nov 24 22:09 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: if i do, the server won't be in hungaristan | Nov 24 22:09 |
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| schestowitz | It was canadian IIRC | Nov 24 22:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I have a better suggestion. Put the server at home and send Orban abroad (one-way ticket). | Nov 24 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Like they did to charlatan Napoleon. | Nov 24 22:10 |
| schestowitz | Nyet problema | Nov 24 22:10 |
| MinceR | if only i could | Nov 24 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Petition Orban for it | Nov 24 22:11 |
| MinceR | it would be nice to send him to the moon and leave him there | Nov 24 22:11 |
| MinceR | or into the sun | Nov 24 22:11 |
| schestowitz | he won't make it | Nov 24 22:11 |
| MinceR | i don't mind | Nov 24 22:11 |
| schestowitz | Orban will melt far away from it | Nov 24 22:11 |
| MinceR | he'd still outlast a lot of things | Nov 24 22:12 |
| MinceR | like freedom of speech in hungary | Nov 24 22:12 |
| schestowitz | There are better things to spend energy on. Launching orban into orbit takes a lot of fuel | Nov 24 22:13 |
| MinceR | i know | Nov 24 22:13 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: I | Nov 24 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: I reckon, the man is so cold maybe he'll just extinguish the sun and bring nuclear winter here | Nov 24 22:15 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: if you don't adore your leader, you are a traitor :-) | Nov 24 22:16 |
| schestowitz | !google harper orban | Nov 24 22:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Tamás Androvich | Facebook | http://www.facebook.com/tamas.androvich | Nov 24 22:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Humanity+ | Board Of Directors | http://humanityplus.org/about/board/ | Nov 24 22:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Phil Orban (@8SportsPhil) on Twitter | http://twitter.com/8sportsphil | Nov 24 22:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Orban T D & Maynard D S - Doctors-Medical Practitioners - Dee Why ... | http://www.yellowpages.com.au/nsw/dee-why/orban-t-d-maynard-d-s-11999032-listing.html | Nov 24 22:16 |
| schestowitz | !google kroes orban | Nov 24 22:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - FT.com / Europe - EU presses Hungary on media law | http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/6408bc8a-0f65-11e0-b336-00144feabdc0.html | Nov 24 22:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - EUobserver.com / Political Affairs / Kroes gives Hungary an ... | http://euobserver.com/9/31701 | Nov 24 22:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Viktor Orbán, a latter day Kuruc | Presseurop (English) | http://www.presseurop.eu/en/content/article/484791-viktor-orban-latter-day-kuruc | Nov 24 22:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Hungary's media law: A Fidesz retreat | The Economist | http://www.economist.com/blogs/easternapproaches/2011/01/hungarys_media_law | Nov 24 22:16 |
| XFaCE | dfdsfsorry, i can't see what I'm typing | Nov 24 22:18 |
| XFaCE | Xchat update didn't work | Nov 24 22:18 |
| XFaCE | :( | Nov 24 22:18 |
| schestowitz | move to konversation, it's better | Nov 24 22:19 |
| schestowitz | I use both, one always shaded | Nov 24 22:19 |
| schestowitz | sudo apt-get install konversation | Nov 24 22:19 |
| schestowitz | or sudo yum install | Nov 24 22:19 |
| MinceR | or to irssi, or kvirc | Nov 24 22:20 |
| XFaCE | This is w7 unfortunately | Nov 24 22:20 |
| XFaCE | ick | Nov 24 22:21 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/880587 | Nov 24 22:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 24 22:21 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: meh | Nov 24 22:21 |
| schestowitz | fix it | Nov 24 22:21 |
| schestowitz | !google download feodra | Nov 24 22:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Fedora Project - Download Fedora and try it. | http://get.fedoraproject.org/ | Nov 24 22:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Fedora Project Homepage | http://fedoraproject.org/ | Nov 24 22:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Download Fedora | http://download.fedora.redhat.com/ | Nov 24 22:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - MediaInfo - Download | http://mediainfo.sourceforge.net/Download/Fedora | Nov 24 22:21 |
| XFaCE | lol | Nov 24 22:22 |
| schestowitz | run in a VM at least | Nov 24 22:22 |
| schestowitz | !google virtualbox oracle download | Nov 24 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - VM VirtualBox - VirtualBox Downloads | http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/server-storage/virtualbox/downloads/index.html | Nov 24 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Oracle VM VirtualBox | VIrtualization | Oracle | http://www.oracle.com/us/technologies/virtualization/oraclevm/061976.html | Nov 24 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Downloads - VirtualBox | https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads | Nov 24 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - VirtualBox | https://www.virtualbox.org/ | Nov 24 22:22 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/880591 | Nov 24 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 24 22:22 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: as for the kyobo, I know kobo was sold off from chapters-indigo | Nov 24 22:22 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kyobo_Book_Centre | Nov 24 22:24 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/878122 | Nov 24 22:25 |
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| abushcrafter | How evil are AMD? all I know is there web server is windows because there webpages have the ext of .asp | Nov 24 22:26 |
| abushcrafter | Have wintel improved? though they are still have a ad clause cus in pc manufacturers ads (yuck) they have a ad wintel at the end. | Nov 24 22:30 |
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| abushcrafter | and what about VIA. there good is that they help CoreBoot and where they going to use it in all future products? I know AMD are. | Nov 24 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | hi abushcrafter | Nov 24 22:32 |
| schestowitz | abushcrafter: MS offers companies like Intel money or favours to host with MS junkwares | Nov 24 22:33 |
| schestowitz | We have Comes vs Microsoft evidence showing it | Nov 24 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Email from E Rudder to Intel | Nov 24 22:33 |
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| abushcrafter | Comes? never did under stand that. should do a search I guess. Did the evil ones in charge get the sack? is wintel better now or are they still the same. | Nov 24 22:36 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/880548 "Article not available." "I use both of them (home Fedora, office Ubuntu) , my favorite is Fedora." | Nov 24 22:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Nov 24 22:37 |
| schestowitz | abushcrafter: hang on, I'll find it | Nov 24 22:37 |
| abushcrafter | I guess that includes AMD :( | Nov 24 22:37 |
| abushcrafter | :'( | Nov 24 22:37 |
| schestowitz | Not this... http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Bill_Gates:_how_Intel_screwed_us | Nov 24 22:37 |
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| schestowitz | "I also have a personal ask that if we do the 64bit work that we get INTEL.COM to be a 64bit ASP.NET sites." | Nov 24 22:38 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2009/01/12/bill-gates-jihad-vs-linux/ | Nov 24 22:38 |
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| abushcrafter | so AMD = evil. Intel = not so evil as there not running windows server | Nov 24 22:56 |
| schestowitz | Both can be evil | Nov 24 22:56 |
| schestowitz | It's not a zero-sum game | Nov 24 22:56 |
| abushcrafter | which is the least | Nov 24 22:56 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Intel_Crimes_and_Offences | Nov 24 22:56 |
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| schestowitz | AMD | Nov 24 22:56 |
| abushcrafter | amd = least/ | Nov 24 22:57 |
| schestowitz | yeah, among those two | Nov 24 22:58 |
| abushcrafter | what about VIA | Nov 24 22:58 |
| abushcrafter | I guess there are lot better. | Nov 24 22:58 |
| Ziomatrix | HP losses on WebOS kind of fishy as they post a $3.3 billion loss on WebOS in its Quarterly earnings: http://bit.ly/rBFskt After they claim that WebOS suffered an $885 million impairment on top of the Palm acquisition due to R&D expenses and shutting production: http://bit.ly/vGPfP6 Which is strange considering one of these numbers is not like the other and HP didn't seem to alter the product roadmap laid out by Palm. Co | Nov 24 23:05 |
| Ziomatrix | their accountants maybe using the opportunity to jettison other expenses with the closing of WebOS. | Nov 24 23:05 |
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| Ziomatrix | abushcrafter: how is HTC evil besides paying MS "royalties" for patents? | Nov 24 23:15 |
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| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: has Leo ever had a history of conjuring sales figures or managing to cover up losses while at SAP, even if it was not that long. | Nov 24 23:16 |
| Ziomatrix | even throwing in a $780 million expense to wind down WebOS device hardware development and production it doesn't quite add up: http://bit.ly/ufDrXw | Nov 24 23:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: HP Spends Over $780 Million to Wind Down webOS Hardware Business | News |webOSroundup .::. Size~: 35.98 KB | Nov 24 23:19 |
| abushcrafter | How evil are Lenovo? According to a non evil word that begins with "e" which I can't spell magazine the runs windows server! They are not angels. eg. Bad worker conditions. | Nov 24 23:22 |
| Ziomatrix | abushcrafter: that would apply to any company that contracts with Foxconn or another Chinese electronics producing OEM. | Nov 24 23:23 |
| schestowitz | There was a giant netsplit | Nov 24 23:24 |
| schestowitz | I'll paste the missing bits (on one side of the split) | Nov 24 23:24 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: thanks I was wondering if I had to repeat myself | Nov 24 23:25 |
| schestowitz | [23:06] <Ziomatrix> abushcrafter: HTC may acquire VIA if they can win on appeal in an ITC patent dispute with Apple. | Nov 24 23:25 |
| schestowitz | [23:06] <abushcrafter> you see I am struggling to sort out a 100% Free Software netbook (My current plain is to go DIY). including the BOIS. and was hoping things had changed. but never mined. I believe AMD are going CoreBoot for every thing. With VIA I know to have done some work on CoreBoot but not the same commitment are AMD. | Nov 24 23:25 |
| schestowitz | [23:06] <abushcrafter> dam | Nov 24 23:25 |
| schestowitz | [23:06] <abushcrafter> HTC = evil | Nov 24 23:25 |
| schestowitz | [23:06] <schestowitz> Ziomatrix: maybe | Nov 24 23:25 |
| schestowitz | [23:07] <schestowitz> abushcrafter: I don't like VIA | Nov 24 23:25 |
| schestowitz | [23:07] <abushcrafter> Any other manufactors that will/plan to do FOSS BOIS/ | Nov 24 23:25 |
| schestowitz | [23:07] <abushcrafter> ? | Nov 24 23:25 |
| schestowitz | [23:08] <schestowitz> BIOS? | Nov 24 23:25 |
| schestowitz | [23:08] <schestowitz> Ask cubezzz | Nov 24 23:25 |
| schestowitz | [23:08] <schestowitz> He's the guru | Nov 24 23:25 |
| schestowitz | [23:09] <abushcrafter> Why don't you like VIA? I am not awar of any evil but non-free BIOS's. | Nov 24 23:26 |
| schestowitz | [23:09] <-- abeNd-org has left this server (Max SendQ exceeded). | Nov 24 23:26 |
| schestowitz | [23:09] <abushcrafter> What. why did they all leave? | Nov 24 23:26 |
| schestowitz | [23:10] <Ziomatrix> schestowitz: I just have a hunch along with another user who posted in one of those threads that HP accounting maybe using it as an opportunity to cook the books to save shares from falling further. Perhaps this was Leo's plan all along. Also HP sent a satisfaction survey for the Touchpad (a canceled product) and alludes to a possible Windows 8 tablet in the near future: http://bit.ly/vF9Dml | Nov 24 23:26 |
| schestowitz | [23:11] <Ziomatrix> abushcrafter: net split, problems with Freenode | Nov 24 23:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: HP's TouchPad satisfaction survey for everybody | The #1 HP webOS, TouchPad, Pre, and Veer Community | PreCentral.net .::. Size~: 74.39 KB | Nov 24 23:26 |
| schestowitz | [23:11] <abushcrafter> Oh and thanks for the spelling reminder. | Nov 24 23:26 |
| schestowitz | [23:11] <abushcrafter> I should read more mans. | Nov 24 23:26 |
| schestowitz | [23:14] <Ziomatrix> abushcrafter: how is HTC evil besides paying MS "royalties" for patents? | Nov 24 23:26 |
| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: don't know enough about Leo.. | Nov 24 23:27 |
| abushcrafter | just read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Netsplit | Nov 24 23:29 |
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| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: perhaps since it totals $2.865 billion in total WebOS gross losses, perhaps $3.3 billion is a result of further taxes and regulatory hurdles resulting in the total net operating loss. I still think its strange that HP still lost so much in R&D as it doesn't seem they laid out a roadmap past what Palm established. | Nov 24 23:30 |
| Ziomatrix | At least for XBox360 users they had to be semi-voluntarily conned Sony's PSN was not even secure and ever since Sony has been releasing patches that have done nothing more then making users accept an ever more draconian EULA and further rootkitting. | Nov 24 23:34 |
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| schestowitz | Ziomatrix: I don't know HP better than you do | Nov 24 23:42 |
| schestowitz | it's just not my area (hardware) | Nov 24 23:43 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: I only keep track of it because I have one of their products or at least inadvertently what they acquired. It seems that the Todd Bradley or the sole exec, who has not left or been fired for an alleged scandal, for continued internal support for WebOS is a mere voice in the wind. Even though he went onto Bloomberg, a popular financial media conglomerate founded by current NYC mayor: http://bloom.bg/vc6qOD to | Nov 24 23:49 |
| Ziomatrix | HP is flat out not going to drop support for WebOS. Perhaps rumors of him leaving the company are not as unfounded as one may think. | Nov 24 23:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: WebOS Report `Unfounded Rumor,' HP's Bradley Says - Video - Bloomberg .::. Size~: 101.4 KB | Nov 24 23:49 |
| Ziomatrix | schestowitz: at least I think HP bombed the tablet market and exposed how overpriced these inflated touchscreen smartphones and PMPs really are. | Nov 24 23:51 |
| Ziomatrix | actually a better description would be stretched as they stress keeping the form factor thin while many sacrifice connectivity and battery to do it. | Nov 24 23:52 |
| Ziomatrix | I see people use these things in public transit in NYC among other places. Much of it for functions which certain phones can do just as well. It has become a 21st century equivalent in hipness and status to riding around with a boombox in the 1980s. With the detracted benefit of not even having a hi-fi device in any sort of way and unable to know what they're listening to, even if that could be a benefit. | Nov 24 23:56 |
| Ziomatrix | while like boomboxes in the 1980s, Walkmen and other portables offered benefits to personal listening without disturbing anyway. I'm not certain though the fidelity in listening to a cassette through a boombox is that much different to a portable, there is base though. As for tablets these things don't have any difference or at least a minor one hardware as well as feature wise to their cellular counterparts. | Nov 24 23:58 |
| Ziomatrix | Its obvious much of the market is dumbing down much of computing towards the average user | Nov 24 23:59 |
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