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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] We are who we are, but why do so many people who are not representatives or leaders get involved in politics?Dec 12 00:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] I don't make omelets, I make fritatas :DDec 12 00:12
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I want someone to discover the lost episode of Columbo where the murderer got away with it.Dec 12 00:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] James Bond films the biggest joke in cinema history.Dec 12 00:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] kindness and trust often work against you, especially by those you loved. "pre-tend friends"Dec 12 00:47
DaemonFCFixed +q Type A channel modes (Freenode's "quiet bans") being reported as awarding channel owner privileges.Dec 12 00:47
DaemonFClolDec 12 00:47
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] mythdroid - A #MythTV remote control system for #Android - #flosstools http://goo.gl/92jpHDec 12 00:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] I have just seen the episode of South Park where Bill Gates is shot. I can't support this but a prison sentence would be appropriate.Dec 12 00:55
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Plasma Active on #Archos G9 tablet | KDE.news - #kde #floss http://goo.gl/ONlmSDec 12 00:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Activist Post: Survival and The Survival Knife: Everything You Need to Know and More - #knives #bushcraft #preppers http://goo.gl/9CQJODec 12 01:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] 'Goldman Sachs dictatorship - Hitler's dream' - YouTube #goldmansachs #eu #ivreich http://ur1.ca/6m4xnDec 12 01:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] Take a break and holidaying with the family in Hanoi. Yay!Dec 12 01:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Many people who have broken laws have not done anything wrong. The law should be seen as a snapshot of an evolving process.Dec 12 01:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] New Video Game Lets You Kill and Torture Bankers. How Cool is That!!! - Max #Keiser http://goo.gl/2M1AZDec 12 01:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] If #Silver Goes Down All Hell Will Break Loose... http://ur1.ca/6m5j2 #Gold Could Send Silver to $250 http://goo.gl/XBUqxDec 12 01:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Back to Basics: #Indian Nation looks to the past to create healthier future | COLLAPSENET - #food #preppers http://goo.gl/1NbS1Dec 12 01:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Satellite Pictures Of Chinese Ghost Cities - #china #collapse http://goo.gl/liAdBDec 12 01:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] parlementum is down, this isn't goodDec 12 01:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ piratepartyca: Come to "Hamilton Hangout" Saturday, 21 January 2012 from 13:00 to 16:00. Scott Elcomb (psema) will be h http://ur1. ...Dec 12 02:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] Jayme Gutierrez http://ur1.ca/6m6ye Solid piano pop. !jamendo !ccmusic #BY-NDDec 12 02:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @Choisissez niks mee te maken.Dec 12 02:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @Choisissez: Staat in brand! I'm on fire! Het klinkt duidelijk beter in het Engels.Dec 12 02:59
prurigrohey allDec 12 03:26
XFaCEheyDec 12 03:27
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prurigroahh, been a while since I caught you online XFaCE! How goes?Dec 12 03:28
XFaCEbusynessDec 12 03:28
prurigroend of school fun?Dec 12 03:28
XFaCEyhaDec 12 03:28
prurigrohows exam season looking?Dec 12 03:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] Just finished putting together this list of all free culture and free software !Reddit sections: http://redd.it/n97bw !GNU !LP !SFCDec 12 03:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] zone file is updated and subdomains seems to be working again? who wants today's coffee?Dec 12 03:29
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XFaCEyou?Dec 12 03:29
prurigrolol, yup- lotsa fun work to be had, and thx for the op :)Dec 12 03:30
XFaCEno probDec 12 03:30
prurigrohow much more do you have btw?Dec 12 03:32
XFaCE3Dec 12 03:32
prurigroouchDec 12 03:32
prurigroall next week?Dec 12 03:32
prurigroXFaCE: btw, if any of them involve memorization, this is a pretty sweet app I've been playing around with http://ankisrs.net/Dec 12 03:35
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Anki - friendly, intelligent flashcards .::. Size~: 14.68 KBDec 12 03:35
prurigrototally cross platform and syncs between tooDec 12 03:36
amarsh04back in 1981 I had 7 exams at the end of the year for first year universityDec 12 03:36
prurigrooh dear lord- no semester system?Dec 12 03:36
XFaCE1 this week, 2 nextDec 12 03:36
prurigroXFaCE: ahh, that's not too badDec 12 03:37
XFaCEnot at allDec 12 03:37
amarsh04in my case, some subjects had multiple examsDec 12 03:39
prurigroamarsh04: what program?Dec 12 03:40
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amarsh04was first year electrical engineering... I dropped out of that courseDec 12 04:00
prurigroahh, yea, that one's a bit of a bitch in the small amount I saw via highschoolDec 12 04:02
amarsh04one of the exams was engineering drawingDec 12 04:04
prurigrolike autocad type stuff but by hand?Dec 12 04:06
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] "Copyright (C) 2008 <Your Name> See COPYING for license details." #smhDec 12 04:07
amarsh04yes, drawing diagrams on a drawing board with ruller etcDec 12 04:08
amarsh04ruler evenDec 12 04:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] "Banana Boat Ben" wants power to the bankers. http://is.gd/H1tzHG #federalReserve #power #richesDec 12 04:39
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prurigroamarsh04: haha, I have one of those technical drawing boards in my basement along with my commodore 64 and atari :)Dec 12 04:42
amarsh04hehehe Dec 12 04:42
amarsh04in the next room there is a cassette drive for a vic-20 and a radio so old that it uses an "80" rectifier thermionic valveDec 12 04:43
prurigroohh man, you win 5 internet points for that oneDec 12 04:45
prurigrogot be beat with your hands tied behind your back =DDec 12 04:45
prurigroradios used to use thermionic valves?Dec 12 04:45
amarsh04there is a candlestick telephone and a carbide lamp on the shelf behind me (-:Dec 12 04:45
amarsh04transister radios only entered the market in the late 50's and early 60'sDec 12 04:46
amarsh04transistor ratherDec 12 04:46
amarsh04and a kerosene lampDec 12 04:47
prurigrono kidding- I guess I can't imagine what else they'd use, and I suppose that'd account for their size back then too eh?Dec 12 04:47
prurigrokerosene lamp!Dec 12 04:47
prurigronow that's just classy =DDec 12 04:47
prurigro(I have one of those too)Dec 12 04:48
amarsh04yes, and stuff like capacitors made of two layers of paper with aluminium foil on them rolled togetherDec 12 04:48
amarsh04must go or I'll be late for workDec 12 04:49
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prurigroamarsh04: I wonder if that's how those new printers that can print transistors work :)Dec 12 04:58
prurigrokk tho, ttyl!Dec 12 04:58
XFaCEprurigro: are you on diaspora?Dec 12 05:22
prurigrolol, nadda- everyone's been asking me that lately thoughDec 12 05:22
prurigrois it time for another social network?Dec 12 05:22
XFaCEprurigro: One that can be peer-to-peer? absolutDec 12 05:23
XFaCEit is p2p tho, I was refering to hosting diaspora youself vs an external providerDec 12 05:24
XFaCEprurigro: I've used it, and it seems goodDec 12 05:26
XFaCEI am using it, that isDec 12 05:26
prurigrooh really, how exactly does it work?Dec 12 05:28
prurigroto make it peer to peerDec 12 05:28
XFaCE"Diaspora (stylized DIASPORA*) is a free personal web server[3] that implements a distributed social networking service. Installations of the software form nodes (termed "pods") which make up the distributed Diaspora social network."Dec 12 05:30
XFaCEsounds TOR-ishDec 12 05:30
prurigrooh hmm interestingDec 12 05:33
prurigroso you connect your 'pod' to the networkDec 12 05:34
prurigroor just join any number of other people's pods?Dec 12 05:34
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XFaCEI'm not sureDec 12 05:44
XFaCEyou'll need to research more, haven't looked into it beyond more basic detailsDec 12 05:44
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prurigroXFaCE: interesting, yea, I'll have to give it a better look- I do like the idea of p2p social networking :)Dec 12 05:46
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] if you take bus, everything in Beijing feels further away! today it took me almost 1h and 30 mins to get from 十里河 to 双井Dec 12 05:50
XFaCEp2p anything is pretty cool nowadaysDec 12 06:03
XFaCEdecentralization ftwDec 12 06:03
prurigrodamn straight =DDec 12 06:03
eebrahXFaCE tried yacy? p2p search engine?Dec 12 06:04
eebrahalso prurigro tried yacy?Dec 12 06:04
prurigroone of the guys involved came into #cjdns the other dayDec 12 06:04
prurigroand I had it bookmarked, kinda forgot about it till now thoDec 12 06:04
XFaCEeebrah: FascinatingDec 12 06:05
eebrahXFaCE indeed! fascinatingDec 12 06:07
eebrahcan't wait for p2p DNS, I think there's a roject for that tooDec 12 06:07
eebrah*projectDec 12 06:07
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XFaCEeebrah: seems that project has died down unfortunatelyDec 12 06:08
XFaCEeebrah: unless there is another project other than dotp2pDec 12 06:08
eebrahbummer :(Dec 12 06:09
eebrahIf it is a good idea then something will replace itDec 12 06:09
eebrahgood ideas never dieDec 12 06:09
prurigrohmm, if everyone used unixDec 12 06:09
prurigroit would be easyDec 12 06:09
prurigrojust have a p2p setup that syncs with /etc/host :)Dec 12 06:09
eebrahprurigro yes sigh! if everyone used UNIXDec 12 06:10
prurigroits not far offDec 12 06:11
MinceRsyncing /etc/hosts wouldn't scale wellDec 12 06:11
prurigroits like every OS but windowsDec 12 06:11
prurigrooh no?Dec 12 06:11
prurigroI've often wondered about thatDec 12 06:11
MinceRalso, winblows has /etc/hosts too, in /windows/system32/drivers/etc or something like thatDec 12 06:11
prurigroa lot of the ad solutions use /etc/hostsDec 12 06:11
prurigrofor android/iosDec 12 06:11
MinceR(probably came with the BSD code they ripped off :> )Dec 12 06:12
prurigroand get outDec 12 06:12
prurigrowell, interesting!Dec 12 06:12
XFaCEMinceR: lol, Vista 7 does have an etc folder in the place you mentionedDec 12 06:16
XFaCEMinceR: What's the point? Faux-compatiblity?Dec 12 06:17
MinceRsomething like thatDec 12 06:17
MinceRin practice, only malware use it thoughDec 12 06:17
MinceRto redirect some pages to their own stuff or to nowhereDec 12 06:17
prurigrohahaDec 12 06:18
prurigrowell malware used their old equiv to /etc/hosts beforeDec 12 06:19
prurigroso I'd prefer the compatibility over the notDec 12 06:19
MinceRi prefer having it to not having it tooDec 12 06:19
MinceRbut then i avoid winblows anywahDec 12 06:19
MinceRs/.$/y/Dec 12 06:19
XFaCEI have no idea what to use it forDec 12 06:20
XFaCE*Most GTK application have their own etc folderDec 12 06:21
MinceRaccessing computers on your LAN quickly, ad blockingDec 12 06:21
XFaCEfor windowsDec 12 06:21
XFaCEahDec 12 06:21
XFaCEI didn't know the etc folder did that on WindowsDec 12 06:21
XFaCEthought it had its own hosts file somewhere elseDec 12 06:21
XFaCEand now for something light-hearted. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8Ow1nlafOg&hd=1Dec 12 06:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] just discoveered C-a C-a in !screen, very niceDec 12 06:30
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XFaCEgn allDec 12 06:38
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scientesMinceR, interesting comment about the bsd/hosts, never thought about it that way, but makes senseDec 12 06:41
scientesbut adblock is WAY betterDec 12 06:41
MinceRindeedDec 12 06:42
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XFaCEMinceR et al. GNDec 12 06:45
MinceRo/Dec 12 06:46
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scientesseen this: http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/5552.html ?Dec 12 08:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Patriotyzm ponad wszystko! Oh, wait... ur1.ca/6mdww !PolskaDec 12 08:32
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scientesI think this is pure awesome: https://lwn.net/Articles/458789/Dec 12 08:47
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scienteslinux keeps getting harder, better, faster, stronger.. you know? more than hour after never ever after work is over, etcDec 12 08:49
scientesgetting rid of gnome-session-daemonDec 12 08:51
Diablo-D3goddamnitDec 12 08:52
Diablo-D3daft punk timeDec 12 08:52
scientesand cleaning up gdm (is gdm2 good?)Dec 12 08:52
prurigroaha!Dec 12 08:52
prurigroI was worried I was wrongDec 12 08:52
prurigrowhen I read thatDec 12 08:52
prurigro:)Dec 12 08:52
Diablo-D3scientes: slimDec 12 08:52
Diablo-D3slim > *Dec 12 08:52
scientesis there a good selection of gdm2 themes now?Dec 12 08:54
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scientesand will systemd become integral with gdm2?Dec 12 08:54
Diablo-D3gdm2 is deadDec 12 08:55
Diablo-D3seriously, use slimDec 12 08:55
Diablo-D3and who cares what its themed asDec 12 08:56
Diablo-D3its not like you reboot oftenDec 12 08:56
scientesbut you ofter login to a new userDec 12 08:56
scientesas in a multi-user systemDec 12 08:56
Diablo-D3yeah but if you're fucking with that, you use gdm3 and gnome3Dec 12 08:56
scientesoh, there is another gdm, didn't know thatDec 12 08:56
scienteshold shitDec 12 08:57
Diablo-D3its all "the same" gdmDec 12 08:57
Diablo-D3its just paired with a specific gnome releaseDec 12 08:57
Diablo-D3gdm3 is what you use with gnome3 to enable all the bullshit featuresDec 12 08:57
scientesoh, not another rewrite (sign of relief)Dec 12 08:57
sebsebsebscientes: yep three versions of GDMDec 12 08:57
sebsebsebscientes: the old GDM,  GDM 2, and Gnome 3's GDMDec 12 08:57
Diablo-D3partial rewrite, it uses gtk3 natively, supports user switching, etcDec 12 08:57
scientesoh, a forkDec 12 08:57
sebsebsebalso SLim uhmmDec 12 08:57
sebsebsebtreid thatDec 12 08:57
sebsebsebnot really for meDec 12 08:57
Diablo-D3sebsebseb: wellDec 12 08:58
sebsebsebtried wit ha few themes evenDec 12 08:58
Diablo-D3slim is the smallest dm of allDec 12 08:58
sebsebsebyou sure what about XDM?Dec 12 08:58
Diablo-D3slim is faster than xdmDec 12 08:58
Diablo-D3which is surprising as fuckDec 12 08:58
sebsebsebwhat about LXDM?Dec 12 08:58
Diablo-D3lxdm sucksDec 12 08:58
sebsebsebLXDM seems ok to meDec 12 08:58
scienteslxde has a manager now?Dec 12 08:58
Diablo-D3the very few lxde users I know use slimDec 12 08:58
sebsebsebso does KDMDec 12 08:58
Diablo-D3scientes: yeah, dunno whyDec 12 08:58
scienteswhen i was using lxde they just said use gdm or write a scriptDec 12 08:58
sebsebsebscientes: yep LXDMDec 12 08:58
Diablo-D3and all the xfce users use slimDec 12 08:58
sebsebsebDiablo-D3: What about LightDM?Dec 12 08:58
scientesso its newDec 12 08:58
Diablo-D3sebsebseb: dunno, never heard of itDec 12 08:59
sebsebsebDiablo-D3: that's the  one Ubuntu ues by default as of 11.10Dec 12 08:59
scienteslxde is a really cool project, same guy that made the "ie tab" firefox add-on before switching to linux, a taiwanese guyDec 12 08:59
sebsebsebLXDE and XFCE are ok, but not really for me, it's  Gnome 2,  KDE, or Gnome 3, for meDec 12 09:00
sebsebseboh and if I bothered the Trinity KDE 3 fork even would be for meDec 12 09:00
Diablo-D3yeah fuck thatDec 12 09:01
Diablo-D3xfce or nothingDec 12 09:01
scientesi dont like xfce, im not sure whyDec 12 09:07
scientesI dont use lxde for desktopDec 12 09:07
scientesbut have installed it a number of times for kiosk stationsDec 12 09:07
Diablo-D3xfce is extremely configurableDec 12 09:07
Diablo-D3if you dont like it, then you merely havent found the look you likeDec 12 09:08
scientesI just started using unity like a month ago and I am actually liking it quite a bitDec 12 09:09
scientesvery mac-likeDec 12 09:09
Diablo-D3yeah, I dont use the dock-like thingDec 12 09:09
Diablo-D3I have mine configured that it looks like windowsDec 12 09:10
scientesi like its full-screen modeDec 12 09:10
Diablo-D3I do that to every DE lawlzDec 12 09:10
scientesbut i probably would prefer an application switcher more like gnome2Dec 12 09:10
scientesbut that is really just from habitDec 12 09:10
Diablo-D3honestly, you cant beat taskbar at the bottom, systray at the right, start bar at the leftDec 12 09:10
Diablo-D3its the minimum you can go while still having a DEDec 12 09:11
Diablo-D3the only thing I throw in is a workspace switcher to the left of the start barDec 12 09:11
scientesi honestly think an....that all-windows mac thing---expose---would be the most usable switcherDec 12 09:11
scientesor actuallyDec 12 09:11
scientesa search that searches all my open tabsDec 12 09:11
Diablo-D3I hate exposeDec 12 09:11
scientes^^^^Dec 12 09:11
Diablo-D3the whole desktop metaphor is wrong anyhowDec 12 09:11
scienteslike alt-f2 for apen thingsDec 12 09:11
scientesincluding all your tabsDec 12 09:12
scientesthat would be niceDec 12 09:12
scientesim always searching for the right tabDec 12 09:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Cambridge Digital Library - http://bit.ly/uChfh3 #Newton's paper first, lots of other good stuff to come #digitisationDec 12 09:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[torproject/@torproject] Nathan from @guardianproject on using Orbot to upload videos: https://lists.torproject.org/pipermail/tor-dev/2011-December/003111.htmlDec 12 09:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Why Networked Resilient Communities won't need #China - http://bit.ly/w07Rhf good point #resilienceDec 12 09:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @Choisissez hoera!Dec 12 09:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @hochstenbach: Waiting for some great news about open data, open source and open knowledge at Europe http://ur1. ...Dec 12 09:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Death of a simile - http://bit.ly/rO4UQF truly the end of an era #language #cultureDec 12 09:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Why Spotify can never be profitable: The secret demands of record labels - http://bit.ly/rL8le8 staggering abuse of power; maybe illegal?Dec 12 09:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Copyright Regime vs. Civil Liberties - bit.ly/v7KLK1 choose any oneDec 12 09:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The Week In Data - http://bit.ly/vhFTmc more good stuff in world of #opendata and #visualisationsDec 12 09:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] If you want to add content to google currents, it only works with Chrome. #fail #justsayin http://ur1.ca/6mfeaDec 12 09:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] pic of the week: Tower Bridge at Dawn - http://bit.ly/tEwWbi a peaceful start to the week #london #pixDec 12 09:45
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*prurigro gives voice to cubezzz cubezzz3Dec 12 09:57
MinceRgeekingsDec 12 09:58
prurigrololDec 12 09:58
MinceRwhatDec 12 09:59
prurigrogeekings = geek greetings?Dec 12 09:59
MinceRindeedDec 12 09:59
prurigroor simply the verb to geek?Dec 12 09:59
prurigroahh kkDec 12 09:59
prurigroI like it =DDec 12 09:59
prurigrohear about that new gaming platform via chrome?Dec 12 10:00
MinceRNaCl isn't new :>Dec 12 10:01
prurigrosodium chloride?Dec 12 10:01
prurigrorather, did they really call it that? hahaDec 12 10:01
MinceRi think they didDec 12 10:02
MinceRnot sureDec 12 10:02
prurigroI wonder if they were thinking about getting back to the 'basics' =DDec 12 10:02
MinceRanyway, i meant the native code plugin for crasheDec 12 10:02
prurigrocrashe?Dec 12 10:02
MinceRchromeDec 12 10:02
prurigrolol purposeful typo?Dec 12 10:03
prurigroohh, native clientDec 12 10:03
prurigrowordDec 12 10:03
prurigrohmm I think this might be slightly differentDec 12 10:03
MinceRthe browser that does not only crash itself often, it also crashes the OS in some casesDec 12 10:03
prurigrono kiddin'Dec 12 10:03
prurigrowould that include chromium?Dec 12 10:03
prurigroI've had fairly good luck so farDec 12 10:04
prurigrothough I don't use it too oftenDec 12 10:04
prurigroeither way though, its not new in the dev world, but apparently they're just about to release it to the public?Dec 12 10:07
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prurigroI hadn't realized it was open source though-- this is goodDec 12 10:07
prurigromeans we won't necessarily need chrome on topDec 12 10:07
MinceRyes, it includes crashium as wellDec 12 10:08
prurigrolol, not a fan?Dec 12 10:08
MinceRnot a fanDec 12 10:08
prurigrobad experience? or are there principles at stake?Dec 12 10:08
MinceRever since it was the first thing that caused a kernel panic on my netbook, i'm not  afaDec 12 10:08
MinceRs/  .*/ a fan/Dec 12 10:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Will we soon find out more about the Nokia - Microsoft deal? http://ur1.ca/6mfsc Elop, Nokia execs to testify in Barnes & Noble caseDec 12 10:09
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prurigrotouche lolDec 12 10:09
prurigrowhen was this?Dec 12 10:09
prurigroI had much better experience with chromium btwDec 12 10:09
prurigroat least the arch buildDec 12 10:09
MinceRi think it was this yearDec 12 10:09
prurigrochrome would crash if I'd select anything in the save as dialog (typically done to replace or get a similar name as)Dec 12 10:10
MinceRit happened when i quit itDec 12 10:10
prurigrochromium has been going solid for more than a yearDec 12 10:10
prurigroand hmmDec 12 10:10
MinceRand happened again when i tried againDec 12 10:10
prurigrothat sounds sketchyDec 12 10:10
prurigrobad garbage cleaning?Dec 12 10:10
MinceRthen i uninstalled itDec 12 10:10
MinceRprobably a bug in the sandboxDec 12 10:10
MinceR(it's the only part that's setuid root)Dec 12 10:10
prurigrono kiddingDec 12 10:10
prurigroahh so it isDec 12 10:11
prurigroI dunno if I like that...Dec 12 10:11
prurigrosomething running setuid root that browses web pagesDec 12 10:11
prurigro:/Dec 12 10:11
MinceRit's only part of the browser, but it's still stupidDec 12 10:13
prurigroyea, I mean, I'd assume they've carefully protected it, but everything has bugsDec 12 10:13
prurigroand anything setuid root has a potential machine rootDec 12 10:13
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] RT @NeelieKroesEU Practising what we preach: Commission's own data will be available free, open, easily , single portal, from 1st half 2012Dec 12 10:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] A long overdue and very welcome discussion. http://ur1.ca/6mf0o #CC (via @headphonica)Dec 12 10:17
scienteswhat about the chromium in ubuntuDec 12 10:17
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scientesit is still dependancy/static hellDec 12 10:17
scientesi am using itDec 12 10:17
MinceRi used it on kubuntuDec 12 10:17
MinceR(same thing)Dec 12 10:18
prurigroI checked its /proc/#/maps in arch and it had quite a few dynamic libs in playDec 12 10:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Someone should combine minecraft and bitcoin, so that mining in minecraft results in bitcoins to be used anywhere. #justsayinDec 12 10:19
scientesas the mainline chrome has some pretty wacked out features adblockplus.org/blog/google-chrome-and-pre-installed-web-appsDec 12 10:19
scientesgosh, google even mangles links for "copy link location": these daysDec 12 10:19
scientesPITADec 12 10:19
MinceRlolDec 12 10:20
MinceRat least it can be disabled in firefoxDec 12 10:20
scienteswhat disabled?Dec 12 10:20
prurigrolol I disliked how they started doing thisDec 12 10:21
MinceRurl manglingDec 12 10:21
prurigroMinceR: I'd be curious how to do thisDec 12 10:21
MinceR(removing the http:// part)Dec 12 10:21
MinceRhttp://dottech.org/tipsntricks/23803/how-to-force-firefox-7-and-higher-to-show-http-in-urls/Dec 12 10:22
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Diablo-D3MinceR: the funny part isDec 12 10:22
Diablo-D3its just hiddenDec 12 10:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] Distinction between #CC license requirements (#BY, #SA) versus restrictions (#NC, #ND) would be a step in the right direction.Dec 12 10:22
Diablo-D3copying the url out of the bar still copies the http://Dec 12 10:22
MinceRit still annoys meDec 12 10:22
prurigrooh, I thought you meant the part in google search resultsDec 12 10:22
MinceRas i happen to know what it means :>Dec 12 10:22
scientesMinceR, no, i copied that from the google search results cause right clicking on the link and "copy location " resulted in the evil google redirectDec 12 10:23
prurigroand yea, that's kind of lame considering https:// is so important these daysDec 12 10:23
scientesif you copy from the location bar you always end up with the whole thingDec 12 10:23
scientesthats just ctrl-l, ctrl-cDec 12 10:23
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scientesbut i didn't want to wait for the page ive already seen to load, i just wanted to ref itDec 12 10:24
scientes^^^oryrigro got itDec 12 10:24
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prurigroboth are issues, but yea, the one scientes is talking about has been more annoying to meDec 12 10:25
prurigroin part because the difference between http and https is still shown visuallyDec 12 10:25
prurigro(though the other does still bug me via web dev, so I might have to follow MinceR's instructions for that one)Dec 12 10:25
scientesi just hate the google redirectDec 12 10:27
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] EU Digital Agenda: Turning government data into gold - http://bit.ly/rwIoZ7 #EU #opendata policy: looks hopeful at first glance...Dec 12 10:27
scientesslows things downDec 12 10:27
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scientesalthough i guess they can fit it into the already open socket connection with google on the same server?Dec 12 10:27
prurigroand record where you're going with or without javascript?Dec 12 10:28
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] Cultural equivalents of both free software and shareware shouldn't be labeled (nearly) identically no matter which #CC license is "right".Dec 12 10:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] 10x more money is used for financial market stuff as money used for real world stuff. Why must the 99% suffer from the... http://b1t.it/aajxDec 12 10:29
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prurigroMinceR: apparently it has setuid root to create its own chroot environmentDec 12 10:29
scientesbefore they just patched it with javascript when you clicked it so that the mouseover was goodDec 12 10:29
prurigroyea, but then you could disable javascriptDec 12 10:29
scientesbut thats not most usersDec 12 10:29
prurigrowhat good are stats if they arem'Dec 12 10:30
prurigroaren't* randomDec 12 10:30
prurigrorather, if your population isn't randomDec 12 10:30
scientesthey sure do alot to rebuild cookies from flash cookies...Dec 12 10:30
prurigrooh?Dec 12 10:30
scientesthey definitely want as much data as they can getDec 12 10:31
scientesyeah, if you clear your google cookie, it can rebuild it from your youtube flash cookieDec 12 10:31
prurigrohahaDec 12 10:31
scientesyou have to clear both at the same timeDec 12 10:31
prurigroor any google calendars on any websitesDec 12 10:31
prurigroor google analyticsDec 12 10:31
prurigroetcetcDec 12 10:31
prurigroddg ftwDec 12 10:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The London Nobody Sings ... - http://bit.ly/suPzD5 176 songs about #London; splendid stuff (v @rupertg)Dec 12 10:32
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prurigrohttp://code.google.com/p/chromium/wiki/LinuxSUIDSandboxDec 12 10:34
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MinceRthey could just use SELinuxDec 12 10:34
prurigroin the chroot?Dec 12 10:35
MinceRnot sure if it needs chrootDec 12 10:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] Web and TV IG note on Home Networking Scenarios published http://ow.ly/1g7TdoDec 12 10:37
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MinceRprobably yesDec 12 10:38
prurigrowell otherwise you'd need to have SELinux on the actual systemDec 12 10:38
prurigromanaged by the systemDec 12 10:38
prurigroetcDec 12 10:38
MinceRwell, that's what i meantDec 12 10:38
MinceRwhere the distro has SELinuxDec 12 10:38
prurigroahh, touche- I wonder how difficult that'd be to get goingDec 12 10:38
prurigrolike by a distroDec 12 10:39
prurigroor energetic user :)Dec 12 10:39
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scienteswhat is an easy way to restart your session from the command line now?Dec 12 10:44
scientescause gdm restart didn't do jackDec 12 10:44
scientesit was really gross, i think session dbus crashedDec 12 10:45
scientesusually when i get a wierd input error restarting compiz or starting up metacity works, but not this time---compiz spit out a bunch of errors when restarted tooDec 12 10:45
scienteslike facebook connectDec 12 10:47
scientesI block it in adblock with "facebook.com$third-party"Dec 12 10:47
scientesreason i dont plan on signing up for google+ any time soonDec 12 10:48
prurigrohmm, compiz had facebook errors?Dec 12 10:48
scientesno i changed back to the old topicDec 12 10:48
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @NeelieKroesEU: Proud today to present #OpenData package-more possibilities for web entrepreneurs;bu http://ur1. ...Dec 12 10:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @NeelieKroesEU: #opendata revolution: fees limited to marginal costs, not high chargesDec 12 10:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @NeelieKroesEU: this is not coffee money - €70 bn of economic activity from public sector informat http://ur1.ca ...Dec 12 10:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @iRail: Real-time traffic information mentioned in @NeelieKroesEU 's press release on open data. Goo http://ur1. ...Dec 12 10:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @TheDataTank: Europe urges public services to open data - http://t.co/PLtoU4EN - Turning government data into goldDec 12 10:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @NeelieKroesEU: Press release with details of today's revolutionary #opendata package: http://ur1.ca http://ur1. ...Dec 12 10:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @NeelieKroesEU: Practising what we preach: Commission's own data will be available free, open, easil http://ur1. ...Dec 12 10:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @NeelieKroesEU: #opendata revolution: automatic right to re-use, no need for complicated authorisationsDec 12 10:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @NeelieKroesEU: #opendata revolution: to include new, valuable cultural material, from libraries, archives, museums.Dec 12 10:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @NeelieKroesEU: best way to get value from data is to give it away. #opendataDec 12 10:50
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scientesfloodDec 12 10:51
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @Miel_vds: Live streaming of EC press conference by @NeelieKroesEU http://t.co/Rt5A9lhLDec 12 10:52
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prurigroscientes: ahh kk, yea, there's actually a really good plugin that gets stops everything from being able to track you + records how many times things have been blockedDec 12 10:53
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Shared a post "Listening to +Neelie Kroes , proposing the Open Data Strategy for the European Commission. So good to ... http://b1t.it/aakxDec 12 10:54
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prurigrothough you'd be surprised at how much functionality disappears to meet this goalDec 12 10:54
scientesi use easyprivacy on adblockplusDec 12 10:55
scientesquite niceDec 12 10:55
scientesI use to use noscript extensivelyDec 12 10:55
scientesand turn of referrels, which breaks a noticable amount of the webDec 12 10:55
scientesand have like 3 firefox profiles to make it all workDec 12 10:56
prurigrohttp://disconnect.me/Dec 12 10:56
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scientesall running at the same timeDec 12 10:56
prurigrolol thoughDec 12 10:56
prurigrosounds like you're pretty coveredDec 12 10:56
scientesand my own email serverDec 12 10:56
scientesand XMPP server, was going to set up openIDDec 12 10:56
prurigrohaha, no kiddin' ehDec 12 10:56
scientesyeah, on a sheevaplugDec 12 10:57
scientesthose things are pretty coolDec 12 10:57
prurigrosheevaplug?Dec 12 10:57
scienteshttp://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/100-Linux-wallwart-launches/Dec 12 10:57
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scientes<3W at 5VDec 12 10:58
scienteswas also my router, cause the stock qwest routers constantly crash due to a memory leak in the web interface(or at least the one I had)Dec 12 10:59
scientescorrect...NAT providerDec 12 10:59
prurigrooh interesting-- arm9 too ehDec 12 11:02
scientesnoscript and cookie add-on, to blacklist cookies by defaultDec 12 11:02
scientesyeah, thats a nice deviceDec 12 11:02
prurigrohttp://archlinuxarm.org/Dec 12 11:02
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scientesthe new version has dual-ethernet and eSATADec 12 11:02
scientesI used emdebian on itDec 12 11:02
prurigrocoolDec 12 11:02
prurigroup to date n' all that?Dec 12 11:02
scienteswhich is identical to debian but with all the man pages and documentation strippedDec 12 11:02
scientesand if you put ubifs on it it has filesystem compression, you would be suprised what you can fir on 512 NANDDec 12 11:03
scientesI even installed rails on there at one point, with plenty of space left overDec 12 11:03
prurigroahh funDec 12 11:04
prurigrogets it quite a bit smaller I'm guessing ehDec 12 11:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] BRUHAHAHAH!@neeliekroeseu: KTzG: clear necessity to share experiences, avoid duplications - #Guttenberg and avoiding d... http://b1t.it/aakODec 12 11:04
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prurigrodamn, not badDec 12 11:04
prurigroand your local net has pretty good uptime I'm guessing?Dec 12 11:04
scientesyou can fit like a gig of software on there, which is about the same as a 2 gigs of debianDec 12 11:04
scientestoo into upgrading kernels for thatDec 12 11:05
prurigrolol, word- no expandable mem I'm guessing tho eh?Dec 12 11:05
scientesbut yeah I had like half a year at one point, there is a little uptimed program that is coolDec 12 11:06
scientesprurigro, not at allDec 12 11:06
scientesi had a usb 1.5 TB driveDec 12 11:06
scientesalthought the new ones have esata which is way betterDec 12 11:06
scientesrunning apt-cacher-ng, torrents, etcDec 12 11:07
scientesdeluge torrent program is client/serverDec 12 11:07
scientesand emailDec 12 11:07
prurigrodeluge eh?Dec 12 11:07
prurigroI'd forgotten about that oneDec 12 11:07
scienteseSata is way better though, cause then the hard drive can spool down when not is useDec 12 11:08
scientesthat doesn't happen in USB 2.0Dec 12 11:08
prurigrodoes it do rss these days?Dec 12 11:08
prurigrotrueDec 12 11:08
scienteswhat forDec 12 11:08
prurigrostarting torrents automagicallyDec 12 11:08
prurigroand do you run moblock by any chance?Dec 12 11:08
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Dear +Neelie Kroes - Open Data plan is a good thing. Appointing Guttenberg however a big fail.Dec 12 11:09
prurigroutorrent for linux is pretty sweet these daysDec 12 11:09
prurigroon a side noteDec 12 11:09
scientesreally, didn't know that existedDec 12 11:09
prurigroits web-gui onlyDec 12 11:10
scientesi used it way back when i first switched to linux in wine, and that sucked assDec 12 11:10
prurigrobut supports what seems to be a full feature setDec 12 11:10
prurigroand the web gui looks just like the actual appDec 12 11:10
scientesquickly switched to the old memory-leeching version of deluge, which then got much betterDec 12 11:10
prurigrorss feed downloading n' allDec 12 11:10
scientesubuntu switched to qBTDec 12 11:10
prurigroyea, you don't want a service running through wineDec 12 11:10
prurigroqbt eh?Dec 12 11:10
prurigroI like transmissionDec 12 11:11
prurigrohas a nice webgui for mobile devicesDec 12 11:11
scientesI think it uses the same bittorrent library as delugeDec 12 11:11
scienteswhich transmission might also use...., idkDec 12 11:11
scientesprob notDec 12 11:11
prurigrohmm, I think it might have its own backendDec 12 11:12
prurigrosince its the only one that seems to have all these apps designed to run through its web api layerDec 12 11:13
scientesdeluge has a really nice web uiDec 12 11:14
scienteshttp://packages.debian.org/search?keywords=libtorrentDec 12 11:14
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scientesknow how to reverse dependancy search?Dec 12 11:14
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @devworx Red Hat's Harish Pillay on the Cloud, enterprise, apps and more...... fb.me/1hhV2NpeP // @nashpdDec 12 11:15
scienteshttp://libtorrent.rakshasa.no/wiki/UtilsListDec 12 11:16
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scientesway too much choiceDec 12 11:16
prurigrooh word, based off rtorrent ehDec 12 11:16
scientesi dont really careDec 12 11:16
prurigroapparently that has its own web frontend these days tooDec 12 11:16
prurigrodoes it have a p2p filtering mode?Dec 12 11:17
scientesyesDec 12 11:17
scienteshttp://dev.deluge-torrent.org/wiki/AboutDec 12 11:17
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prurigroala http://list.iblocklist.com/?list=bt_level1&fileformat=p2p&archiveformat=gzDec 12 11:17
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scientesyes yes yesDec 12 11:18
prurigrowordDec 12 11:18
prurigrodoes rss again tooDec 12 11:18
prurigrosounds like pretty good competition for utorrent these daysDec 12 11:18
*prurigro gives voice to scientesDec 12 11:18
scientesis utorrent stil like 99% of traffic?Dec 12 11:18
prurigrohaha good questionDec 12 11:18
scientesi know it use to beDec 12 11:19
scientespirate bay has been suggesting miro for a long timeDec 12 11:19
scienteswhich is a kinda cool way to do itDec 12 11:20
prurigroahh yea, I used miro way backDec 12 11:20
prurigroit wasn't exactly resource friendly thoughDec 12 11:20
prurigroand tried to do everything for youDec 12 11:20
prurigrobut I don't want a video playing application loaded when I'm not playing videos, you know?Dec 12 11:20
scientesyoutube support html5 video, but only if you manually opt-inDec 12 11:25
scientesNO FLASHDec 12 11:25
prurigrohaha, and it doesn't seem to support html5 video on firefox for androidDec 12 11:26
prurigrono matter what you manage to agree toDec 12 11:26
prurigronot to mention how it opts you out randomly tooDec 12 11:26
scientesyou go to youtube.com/html5?Dec 12 11:27
prurigroyupDec 12 11:27
scienteshmm, what about with webkit?Dec 12 11:27
prurigrogood questionDec 12 11:27
scientesalso, does firefox for android support video?Dec 12 11:27
prurigroit says it does on /html5Dec 12 11:28
scienteshttp://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2382512,00.aspDec 12 11:29
TechrightsBot-trTitle: Firefox 5 (for Android) Review & Rating | PCMag.com .::. Size~: 112.63 KBDec 12 11:29
scientessays here no videoDec 12 11:29
prurigroI use firefox nightlyDec 12 11:29
prurigroits like version 11Dec 12 11:29
prurigrowebkit works with the video tag it seems thoughDec 12 11:29
scientesi use to use thatDec 12 11:29
scienteswhen i was all multi-profilingDec 12 11:29
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prurigrolol, how so?Dec 12 11:30
scientesyou just download from mozillaDec 12 11:30
scientesand it upgrades itsself on startupDec 12 11:30
scientesjust like on windowsDec 12 11:30
scienteseither the beta channel or the close-to-nightly channelDec 12 11:31
prurigrowhat do you mean by multi profiling though?Dec 12 11:31
scientesi ran 3 profiles at onceDec 12 11:32
prurigrooh hrm, to what ends?Dec 12 11:32
scientesone mega decked out with noscipt and cs lite to NO by default and tons of custom adblock so all the internet news sites you get linked to where article only (no nav, or anything else)Dec 12 11:32
scientesi would gut whole sections of websites out to make them cleanerDec 12 11:33
prurigrohaha, interestingDec 12 11:33
scientesthen element hiding of adblockplus is awesomeDec 12 11:33
prurigroand yea, trueDec 12 11:33
scientesall there are so many trashy internet enws sitesDec 12 11:33
prurigrolol, you browse internet news sites?Dec 12 11:33
Brendan_Tword. it makes me feel dirty that i actually want to read their materialDec 12 11:34
scientesthat i was geting linked to from this site and reddit etcDec 12 11:34
scientesslashdotDec 12 11:34
prurigroahh toucheDec 12 11:34
scientesidk, that was just where it took the most effort to make them usable and decent on the eyeDec 12 11:34
scienteslots of stylish and userscriptsDec 12 11:34
scientesbut then another profile for google loginDec 12 11:34
scientesand facebookDec 12 11:34
scienteswell facebook would work on the same since i blocked out facebook connectDec 12 11:35
scientesmainly the second profile was for sites that break when you block referrer headerDec 12 11:35
scientescause that is a huge privacy holeDec 12 11:35
prurigrohaha, yea no kidding ehDec 12 11:35
prurigrogood reason not to use google, once again :)Dec 12 11:36
scientesgoogle works fine with referrers turned offDec 12 11:36
scientesnever had a problemDec 12 11:36
prurigrobut on principle yo ukonwDec 12 11:36
prurigroknow*Dec 12 11:36
scientesof courseDec 12 11:36
scientesahh, second profile for editing wikipediaDec 12 11:37
prurigrohaha no kiddingDec 12 11:37
scientesnot worried about them tracking, but....well i forget why i did thatDec 12 11:38
scientesbut i did quite a bit of wikipedia editingDec 12 11:38
scienteslove that siteDec 12 11:38
prurigrohaha, yea, wikipedia is greatDec 12 11:38
prurigroand word, to avoid getting tracked myself, I have various users, each with their own luks encrypted hard disk image, who handle various types of thingsDec 12 11:39
prurigro:)Dec 12 11:40
prurigroyours sounds easier to move between thoughDec 12 11:40
scienteshttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:ScientusDec 12 11:40
TechrightsBot-trError processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 ForbiddenDec 12 11:40
scientesyucjDec 12 11:40
scienteswut forbiddenDec 12 11:40
prurigroit workedDec 12 11:40
scientesyou only have to protect from what THEY seeDec 12 11:41
prurigrolol yupDec 12 11:41
scientesencryption is pointless from a privacy standpointDec 12 11:41
prurigroit has full browser history and what have youDec 12 11:41
scienteshard disk that isDec 12 11:41
prurigroan identity if you willDec 12 11:41
scientesthats a security thingDec 12 11:41
prurigrotrueDec 12 11:41
scientescause to software its allways unencryptedDec 12 11:41
scientesahhhDec 12 11:41
scientesyou paranoid about rootkits and the likeDec 12 11:42
prurigrohaha, you never know until you go through all the source, and even thenDec 12 11:42
prurigrorootkitsDec 12 11:42
prurigroetcDec 12 11:42
scientesi am not worried about linux softwareDec 12 11:42
prurigronot that I have anything to be too paranoid aboutDec 12 11:42
scientes*open source that isDec 12 11:42
prurigrome neither for the most part, but holes and what have you are in there tooDec 12 11:42
scientesI actually really switched from windows because windows hardware support out of the box is crapDec 12 11:43
prurigroI figure its a good habit to get into for things like online shoppingDec 12 11:43
prurigroand haha, it is isn't itDec 12 11:43
scientesand then after a month of pain couldn't stand windows any moreDec 12 11:43
prurigrostep one is always download all the driversDec 12 11:43
prurigrowhen was this?Dec 12 11:43
scientesthey didn't existDec 12 11:43
scienteshard my hardware didn't workDec 12 11:43
scienteswith the newly released vistaDec 12 11:43
prurigroahh good ol' vistaDec 12 11:43
scientesit was a brand new computer tooDec 12 11:44
prurigrono kiddin'Dec 12 11:44
prurigrotoo new, perhapsDec 12 11:44
scientesand after like a week i had a rootkitDec 12 11:44
prurigrooh manDec 12 11:44
prurigrothat's pretty good for vista j/kDec 12 11:44
scientesnah, it was like 6 months old at that pointDec 12 11:44
prurigrowindows 7 did a much better jobDec 12 11:44
prurigrobut its still insecureDec 12 11:44
scientesso i was like fuck this, im moving to linuxDec 12 11:44
prurigrohaha, good plan =DDec 12 11:44
prurigrowhen I started using it, it was more in the direction of hobbyist, but now days its more than a viable alternative if you're technically oriented in any wayDec 12 11:45
scientesit wasn't easy like it is for non-usersDec 12 11:45
scientesit was a month of pain, but then you realize how much easier everything is once you get use to itDec 12 11:46
prurigronon-users?Dec 12 11:46
scientespeople that just use firefoxDec 12 11:46
scientesi've seen them sit down with linux and not even realize it is a diffen;t operating systemDec 12 11:46
prurigroand haha yea, once you give in and let yourself warm up to the idea of being competent in cliDec 12 11:46
prurigroand hahaDec 12 11:46
scientesthey just click on that firefox logo and they are offDec 12 11:46
prurigroyea, with windows vista and 7 they think its just another windows a lot of the time, I've foundDec 12 11:47
prurigrosince everything's changing so drastically these daysDec 12 11:47
prurigronew devices coming out and getting people used to the idea of different interfaces etcDec 12 11:47
prurigroit was a stale decade, the 2000sDec 12 11:47
prurigrofor the general publicDec 12 11:47
prurigrolove or hate apple, you gotta admit that they changed a lotDec 12 11:48
prurigro(with the iphone)Dec 12 11:48
scientesvista 7, undoing vista's attempt to emulate (poorely) 30 year old multi-user security that every other operating system seems to work fine with http://www.pretentiousname.com/misc/win7_uac_whitelist2.htmlDec 12 11:49
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prurigrohaha, basically: don't run in xp mode?Dec 12 11:49
scienteswtfDec 12 11:49
prurigro?Dec 12 11:50
scientesprurigro, vista 7 IS xp modeDec 12 11:50
prurigrooh, hrm- I figured it was a cute name for both OS'Dec 12 11:50
scientesand they are trying to bring back TC for 8, google "secure uefi windows 8"Dec 12 11:51
prurigroI hate secure uefiDec 12 11:51
prurigroit made installing fedora on my step dad's computer take a day instead of an hourDec 12 11:51
scientesdo you know if it had true-TV or not?Dec 12 11:51
scientes*TCDec 12 11:51
prurigroTC being?Dec 12 11:52
scientesor if the bios chips are flashable (even if only by physically removing them, and then only in theory)Dec 12 11:52
prurigrogood question, though isn't uefi an alternative to bios?Dec 12 11:52
prurigroie: not something you can flash a bios over?Dec 12 11:53
scienteswww.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.htmlDec 12 11:53
prurigrooh, trusted computingDec 12 11:53
prurigrotoucheDec 12 11:53
prurigroyea- I can't say for sureDec 12 11:53
scientes*trecherousDec 12 11:53
prurigrobut linux did not load easilyDec 12 11:53
prurigroand lolDec 12 11:53
prurigrothen againDec 12 11:54
scientesoh, you really saw itDec 12 11:54
prurigroI suppose if it was TC it would have needed an encrypted startDec 12 11:54
prurigroits hard to sayDec 12 11:54
scienteswhat took a whole day?Dec 12 11:54
prurigrothere was no disable switch in the uefi config screenDec 12 11:54
scientesholy shit, i didn't realize this stuff was liveDec 12 11:54
scientesguess i have to watch out when i buy my next computerDec 12 11:54
prurigrodon't quote me on this-- uefi definitely isDec 12 11:54
prurigrothoughDec 12 11:54
prurigroand its a pain in the arseDec 12 11:54
scientesuefi is grossDec 12 11:55
scientesway grossDec 12 11:55
prurigroyupDec 12 11:55
scientesits like anotyher OSDec 12 11:55
scientesIntel is also launched a remote rootkit things that they market to big companies that runs in BIOSDec 12 11:55
scientesor efi or whatnotDec 12 11:55
scientespardon my grammerDec 12 11:56
prurigrohmmDec 12 11:56
scientesCoreboot FTWDec 12 11:56
prurigrofunDec 12 11:56
prurigrohahaDec 12 11:56
scientes(havn't used)Dec 12 11:56
prurigromaybe I should look into flashing uefi, if alternatives existDec 12 11:56
prurigrothough I'd imagine each device is gonna have its own setupDec 12 11:56
scientesi said *in theory* for a reasonDec 12 11:56
prurigrowell, sony's rootkit allowed them to access your computer 'in theory' too :)Dec 12 11:57
scientesi guess it probably is just like the tivoDec 12 11:57
scientesno the intheory was flashing the uefiDec 12 11:57
prurigrooh yea, well I'm sure upgrades are possibleDec 12 11:57
scientesas i understand it you cant flash a uefi secure bios with a non-signed firmwareDec 12 11:57
scientesas it stores the keys on a romDec 12 11:57
scientesor something like thatDec 12 11:58
prurigroala psp, iphone etc?Dec 12 11:58
prurigro:)Dec 12 11:58
scientesyeahDec 12 11:58
scientesPS3, which removed otherOSDec 12 11:58
scientesyeah, thinking of thatDec 12 11:58
prurigrops3 got hacked tooDec 12 11:58
scientesit seems much more likely that uefi "secure"bios will succeedDec 12 11:58
prurigroits just sony updates lock you out of network features if you don't have emDec 12 11:58
prurigroso there's two ends of a custom firmware needed to be thought aboutDec 12 11:59
scientesexcept due to pressure by the EU....Dec 12 11:59
prurigroif they do, I'd say it only would because of how many hackers would need to patchDec 12 11:59
scientesso maybe only in US, lolDec 12 11:59
prurigrolol, I wonder how Canada's gonna play into thingsDec 12 11:59
scientesbut you said you already had it, how did you get linux installed eventually?Dec 12 11:59
scientesand how did it work in the first place-----waitDec 12 12:00
prurigrowell I can't guarantee trusted computing was built inDec 12 12:00
scientesthis was just normal efi you encounteredDec 12 12:00
prurigrouefiDec 12 12:00
scientesyeah but non-"secure"Dec 12 12:00
scientescause that wouldn't even be able to boot vista 7Dec 12 12:00
prurigrolikely not, if I didn't have any 'key' to break in withDec 12 12:00
prurigroeven without thoughDec 12 12:01
prurigroits something that's barely been hacked to workDec 12 12:01
prurigroand things like lvm don't work at all in itDec 12 12:01
scientesthats just a engineering problem, its how PITA it was to install non-OSX on mac hardwareDec 12 12:01
scienteswut, no lvm?Dec 12 12:01
prurigroyupDec 12 12:01
scientesthat it totally differn't Dec 12 12:01
prurigrono grubDec 12 12:02
scientescause it doesn't mess with MBRDec 12 12:02
prurigrono liloDec 12 12:02
prurigroand it does mess with your hard disksDec 12 12:02
prurigroyour disk isn't a 'hard disk'Dec 12 12:02
prurigroits a 'uefi device'Dec 12 12:02
scientesyou can still use lvmDec 12 12:02
scientesyou just have to use kexecDec 12 12:02
prurigronot any way I triedDec 12 12:02
scienteslinux to another linuxDec 12 12:02
prurigroit was fedora I was trying with, so I didn't get to see things at too low a levelDec 12 12:03
scientesor a differn't boot diskDec 12 12:03
prurigrobut whatever interface they used to have it bootDec 12 12:03
scientescause the uefi doesn't support lvmDec 12 12:03
prurigroseemed like it was in the direction of 'linux to another linux'Dec 12 12:03
scientesman kexecDec 12 12:03
prurigronot installed on this boxDec 12 12:03
scientesjust read an article in lvm about replacing grub with kexec/linuxDec 12 12:03
scientesi.e. move all x86 boot-strap into kernelDec 12 12:04
scientesand then just kexec into the "main" kernel if desiredDec 12 12:04
scientesbut yeah, i dont really deal with that low-level stuffDec 12 12:05
scientesbut uefi is a giant boondoggle, its basically yet another badly-written OSDec 12 12:05
prurigrodont bother till you need to right?Dec 12 12:05
scientesthat needs a new driver for every deviceDec 12 12:06
scientesthats the impetus to move stuff into kernlDec 12 12:06
prurigroand lol is it a single os? or does each company have their own?Dec 12 12:06
scientesAFAIK there is one, but there is also a free version used by coreboot, that is only half of the specDec 12 12:07
scientes*half of the implamentationDec 12 12:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] "RIM execs chewed through restraints after in-flight fracas" http://ur1.ca/6mi5i Gotta admire their persistenceDec 12 12:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] A China já tem seu próprio PS Vita, e ele roda #Android - http://bit.ly/t6WXiJ this portable game console looks strangely familiar...Dec 12 12:07
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prurigrohmm in a good way?Dec 12 12:07
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scientesyesDec 12 12:07
scientescoreboot does the other halfDec 12 12:07
scientesthe hardware initilizationDec 12 12:07
scientes*basic initilizationDec 12 12:08
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] [Steve Jobs] never liked the idea of people being able to open things. ‘would just allow people to screw things up.’ http://ur1.ca/6mi8gDec 12 12:09
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prurigroahh but none of the locking out stuff?Dec 12 12:09
scientesi have no ideaDec 12 12:10
scientesprob not, its GPLDec 12 12:10
scientes(not that that means anything.........actuallyDec 12 12:10
MinceRapparently Blow could screw things up without opening them up just fineDec 12 12:10
MinceRit's funny to hear such an attack on open stuff from someone whose company could never come up with anything betterDec 12 12:11
scienteswhat are you talking about?Dec 12 12:11
MinceR131843 -TRIdentica:#techrights- [karsten/@karsten] [Steve Jobs] never liked the idea of people being able to open things. ‘would just allow people to Dec 12 12:11
MinceR          screw things up.’ http://ur1.ca/6mi8gDec 12 12:11
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MinceRbut then we've always known Blow to be a pompous assholeDec 12 12:11
scienteslol, yes Apple is like thatDec 12 12:11
iophkAt least the design includes live trees.Dec 12 12:11
scientesinfamous for closed hardware designsDec 12 12:11
MinceRnot sufficiently infamous for broken hardware designsDec 12 12:12
scientesand anemic user choiceDec 12 12:12
MinceRstarting with the crApple IIIDec 12 12:12
iophkThe III sucked.Dec 12 12:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] Dann geh ich jetzt einen Kaffee trinken. #nadannisjagutDec 12 12:12
scientes*I mean closed hardware INTERFACESDec 12 12:12
scientesIOW, the PC model worked really wellDec 12 12:13
scientesits survived every attempt to monopolize it so farDec 12 12:13
scienteshardware wiseDec 12 12:14
scientesi hate appleDec 12 12:15
scientesi really doDec 12 12:15
scientesbut i use their keyboard, its niceDec 12 12:15
MinceRi use Cherry's keyboard, it's better :>Dec 12 12:16
scientesshitty software, over-priced and rediculous (ECC ram on the desktops) hardwareDec 12 12:16
scientesand its ironic that all those hipsters with iPods that are stereotyped as eco-conscience are carrying around a big pile of cadmium, barium, mercury, PVC and BFRsDec 12 12:18
prurigrohaha true thatDec 12 12:18
scientesI dislike those things, I like to hear what is going around me when i am outsideDec 12 12:19
scientesbut that just is my luddite speaking i guessDec 12 12:19
scientesbut apple is marketing geniusDec 12 12:20
scientesso good at marketingDec 12 12:20
MinceRare exploding/superheating phones considered "green"? :>Dec 12 12:21
scientesMinceR, YESDec 12 12:21
MinceRis wasting CPU/GPU cycles on useless bling considered "green"? :>Dec 12 12:21
scientesMinceR, YESDec 12 12:21
MinceRok thenDec 12 12:21
scientes"Green Coa;"Dec 12 12:21
Diablo-D3woah woah woahDec 12 12:22
Diablo-D3rewind there a bitDec 12 12:22
Diablo-D3ECC ram on desktops is perfectly fineDec 12 12:22
Diablo-D3too bad you'll never see it on Intel hardwareDec 12 12:22
prurigrosuperheating phones?Dec 12 12:22
scientesprurigro, the ones that blow up, like those dellsDec 12 12:22
prurigroand to be fair, linux got bling tooDec 12 12:22
MinceRprurigro: recently within one week two hypePhones overheated so far they glowedDec 12 12:22
MinceRyes, but on GNU/Linux, it's optionalDec 12 12:23
prurigrowhich model?Dec 12 12:23
Diablo-D3MinceR: wasnt a hypephoneDec 12 12:23
MinceRo rly.Dec 12 12:23
Diablo-D3wasnt it one of the samsung ones?Dec 12 12:23
Diablo-D3I swear it wasDec 12 12:23
MinceRnopeDec 12 12:23
Diablo-D3THEY ALL LOOK ALIKE ANYHOWDec 12 12:23
Diablo-D3dohohohohohoDec 12 12:23
scienteslinux is cutting so much cruftDec 12 12:23
Diablo-D3scientes: you have it backwardsDec 12 12:23
scienteslike systemd and complete elimination of BKLDec 12 12:23
Diablo-D3linux never had cruftDec 12 12:23
scientesDiablo-D3, trueDec 12 12:24
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jrepin/@jrepin] jlp@enterprise ~ $ play -n -c1 synth whitenoise lowpass -1 120 lowpass -1 120 lowpass -1 120 gain +14Dec 12 12:24
MinceRDiablo-D3: http://mashable.com/2011/11/29/could-your-iphone-blow-up/   http://mashable.com/2011/11/30/iphone-issue-in-brazil-too/?WT.mc_id=obinsiteDec 12 12:24
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Diablo-D3MinceR: huh maybe it wasDec 12 12:24
scientesbut compared to new kernel, old looks cruftyDec 12 12:24
Diablo-D3scientes: kernel source is about 45 megs uncompressedDec 12 12:24
Diablo-D3it used to be under 5.Dec 12 12:24
scientesthats all driversDec 12 12:24
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scientesas wellDec 12 12:25
MinceR"oh my god, it's full of drivers"Dec 12 12:25
scientesdefinitely not cruftDec 12 12:25
scienteslolDec 12 12:25
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Diablo-D3noDec 12 12:25
scientesbut it is just getting so much awesomerDec 12 12:25
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Diablo-D3I swear to god theres like 20 megs of fixup listsDec 12 12:25
scienteshmmDec 12 12:25
prurigro4 megs compiled seems a minimum for a compiled udev pluggable kernel these days, Id say that's not badDec 12 12:25
Diablo-D3I mean, sure, fixup lists are part of the drivers, but its not codeDec 12 12:26
scientesIf you have ever made it through a vista bootup....Dec 12 12:27
prurigroare they in the source?Dec 12 12:27
Diablo-D3prurigro: as pages of stringsDec 12 12:27
Diablo-D3strings are not codeDec 12 12:27
MinceRsome strings are :>Dec 12 12:27
scienteswhat is it, what is the purpose of the lists?Dec 12 12:27
Diablo-D3seriously, if I needed the USB shit to only work on running hardware, the kernel source would be 20 megs smallerDec 12 12:28
Diablo-D3that, and ac97 and hdaDec 12 12:28
scientesi have looked at some of the code and i dont know what you are talking aboutDec 12 12:28
prurigroDiablo-D3: yea, that seems like unnecessary bloat for a purely for use versionDec 12 12:28
MinceR"#include <iostream>\nusing namespace std;\nint main() {cout << \"Hello World!\" << endl;}"Dec 12 12:28
Diablo-D3scientes: you have a hardware specification and NO ONE FUCKING IMPLEMENTS IT RIGHTDec 12 12:28
scientesMinceR, lolDec 12 12:28
Diablo-D3and by no one, I mean there is a serious lack of correct implementationsDec 12 12:28
scientesahhhh, gotchaDec 12 12:28
Diablo-D3USB is fucking full of itDec 12 12:28
prurigrolol I'm not sure that's what Diablo-D3 meantDec 12 12:28
scientesthats cause they cause just patch it up with the embedded driver system of USBDec 12 12:29
scientesright?Dec 12 12:29
Diablo-D3scientes: yup, thus reams of fixups.Dec 12 12:29
scientescause linux cant use the included windows driversDec 12 12:29
Diablo-D3noDec 12 12:30
Diablo-D3on USB, you dont get that on windows, windows knows a shitload of fixupsDec 12 12:30
scientesohDec 12 12:30
Diablo-D3on ac97 and hda? yes, every sound card has its own driver even though they all use the same fucking driverDec 12 12:30
scientesI thought it was like PCI initilization, that the hardware itself had a rom of its own driverDec 12 12:30
Diablo-D3scientes: oh hell noDec 12 12:30
Diablo-D3that would be entirely too cleverDec 12 12:30
Diablo-D3hardware still comes with fucking CDs with fucking windows drivers on themDec 12 12:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Rick Perry Thinks “Solynda” Is a Country (Really) - http://bit.ly/ue8p1Z huh?Dec 12 12:30
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scientesDiablo-D3, I watched a video of the coreboot devs quoting stuff they heard about bios developersDec 12 12:31
scientesthat had never heard of source controlDec 12 12:31
scientesand thought their own indepentant and archaic invention of it was awesomeDec 12 12:32
Diablo-D3they haventDec 12 12:32
Diablo-D3bios development isnt even done by programmersDec 12 12:32
Diablo-D3its done by caged monkeys, ie, the chinese.Dec 12 12:32
Diablo-D3slip a pack of skittles in there now and then, keeps em quietDec 12 12:32
MinceRlolDec 12 12:32
prurigrolol skittlesDec 12 12:33
scientestaste the rainbowDec 12 12:33
scientesi think its funny that windows has this rep of being hardware compatibleDec 12 12:35
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prurigromy /usr/src/linux dir is 53.7 megsDec 12 12:35
MinceRindeedDec 12 12:35
MinceRespecially since vista came out and broke so many thingsDec 12 12:35
MinceRand no drivers came out for xp for new hwDec 12 12:36
scientesbut when i tried to install on a brand new system, and went to all the hardware ppl and got drivers and stuff, and half of it doesnt exist, sound card ppl wont release driver buy new hardware pls, etcDec 12 12:36
prurigroand lol yea, only because they bully compat inDec 12 12:36
scientesand in linux it "Just Works"Dec 12 12:36
prurigrolinux has been doing it the right way from the startDec 12 12:36
scientesbinary drivers in insaneDec 12 12:36
scientespurely insaneDec 12 12:36
scientesthere is like 3 USB stacks in XPDec 12 12:37
oiaohmscientes: You have miss counted.Dec 12 12:37
prurigrounless you support the planned obsoletion modelDec 12 12:37
oiaohmscientes: by about 12Dec 12 12:37
scientesdamnDec 12 12:37
scientesi had no ideaDec 12 12:37
prurigrololDec 12 12:37
oiaohmscientes: Lot of motherboards chipset makers have done there own so called optimised usb stacks.Dec 12 12:38
oiaohmthere is advantages to the Linux model for driver development.Dec 12 12:38
scientesthat is something horrible about windows, all that custom hardware crap every vendor releases, madness, pure madnessDec 12 12:38
prurigrobackwards compatibility will eventually have terrabytes of previous versions of windows compacted against eachotherDec 12 12:38
oiaohmscientes: I have printers that still work fine as long as they are connected to a Linux box and provided by cups to windows.Dec 12 12:39
oiaohmYes its wrong when you have to use a Linux middle layer.Dec 12 12:40
prurigromy dad uses a virtual machine running xp to use his printerDec 12 12:40
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oiaohmprurigro: what is the horried cursed thing.Dec 12 12:40
scientesoiaohm, cups is greatDec 12 12:41
scientessomething quality that apple didDec 12 12:41
oiaohmUmmDec 12 12:41
oiaohmcups predates appleDec 12 12:41
scientesright>Dec 12 12:41
scientes?Dec 12 12:41
prurigrooiaohm the OS? Win7Dec 12 12:41
scientesyesDec 12 12:41
oiaohmprurigro: I do business supportDec 12 12:41
scientesthey took it over throughDec 12 12:41
scientesbut yeah, i said it wrongDec 12 12:41
prurigroor the printer- some business printer by HPDec 12 12:41
oiaohmscientes: apple aquire cups because they could not get printer drivers any more.Dec 12 12:42
scientesoh reallyDec 12 12:42
scienteslolDec 12 12:42
oiaohmprurigro: Ie the time frame when apple was less than 4 percent market share.Dec 12 12:42
prurigrooiaohm: business support?Dec 12 12:42
oiaohmOpps scientesDec 12 12:43
oiaohmprurigro: I support many businesses networks.Dec 12 12:43
scientesi need workDec 12 12:43
prurigrooiaohm: ahh so you mighta run into it eh?Dec 12 12:43
oiaohmI keep them running with Linux Windows basically I glue there networks into something working any ways possible.Dec 12 12:43
scientes(as does everyone else) BUTDec 12 12:43
scientesoiaohm, lots of samba?Dec 12 12:43
oiaohmWorst was having to work out how to make windows 3.11 print to a modern day printer.Dec 12 12:43
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scientesi remember printing from windows 3.11Dec 12 12:44
prurigrolol! win3.11? why?Dec 12 12:44
scientesto a dot matrixDec 12 12:44
oiaohmBecauset the POS (point of sale but the other meaning could be equally right)  was windows 3.11Dec 12 12:44
scientesthose were the days.....Dec 12 12:44
oiaohmYes 2 weeks ago its a 386 that still works.Dec 12 12:45
scientesoiaohm, Fry's POS is DOS or 3.1Dec 12 12:45
prurigrolol, wow- and I just finished working on a POS, definitely the joke of the teamDec 12 12:45
prurigro=DDec 12 12:45
scientesand their market is the tech-savvyDec 12 12:45
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oiaohmThey live by the moto it is not broke don't fix it.Dec 12 12:46
scientesa good friend of mine built their own POS system for scratch for their businessDec 12 12:46
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scientesoiaohm, and if your employees already know how to use it...Dec 12 12:46
oiaohmOf course that POS is on my list of terminate with extream pain.Dec 12 12:46
prurigroits much easier to dev s targetted POSDec 12 12:47
scientesalot of businesses use ancient POS and supplychain stuffDec 12 12:47
prurigroshame everyone doesn't know how to devDec 12 12:47
oiaohmIt is a custom made POS.Dec 12 12:47
prurigrodb backdnd?Dec 12 12:47
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oiaohmprurigro: what is a database basically.Dec 12 12:48
prurigro(otherwise no wonder)Dec 12 12:48
scientesaccess backend :PDec 12 12:48
oiaohmprurigro: ie it geneates stacks of cvs files.Dec 12 12:48
scientesoh goshDec 12 12:48
prurigroa database with export tools that can have any number of apps plug into itDec 12 12:48
prurigroand oh gosh indeedDec 12 12:48
prurigroat least it's 'a' usable formatDec 12 12:49
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oiaohmTo be correct it was developed for windows 2.0Dec 12 12:49
oiaohmI guess you guys never used that.Dec 12 12:49
prurigrolol, pushing its luck on 3.12 then oyDec 12 12:49
scientesdata:image/jpeg;base64,/9j/4AAQSkZJRgABAQAAAQABAAD/2wBDAAkGBwgHBgkIBwgKCgkLDRYPDQwMDRsUFRAWIB0iIiAdHx8kKDQsJCYxJx8fLT0tMTU3Ojo6Iys/RD84QzQ5Ojf/2wBDAQoKCg0MDRoPDxo3JR8lNzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzc3Nzf/wAARCABsAPEDASIAAhEBAxEB/8QAHAAAAQUBAQEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAwABAgQFBgcI/8QAQRAAAQMDAwIEAwYBCAsBAAAAAQACAwQRIQUSMUFRBhMiYXGBkQcUIzKhscEVM0JDUmJy8BYkJVNjgpLC0dLh8f/EABgBAQEBAQEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAABAgMF/8QAHxEBAQACAwADAQEAAADec 12 12:49
scientesAAAAAAAAECERIhMQNBURMi/9oADAMBAAIRAxEAPwDjg/0+kKZdZuOqCDtxyn3FuT9F5rseQEN2g45Qnv2WstHTdOqtTP4DLRjDpH8fLuuiovDenRWM7DUyD+0fSPktSDiDKXFw69kzXAYxfuvUG0tG1oY2ljaB0DAP4JpdJoKgfi08Lv8AFE0rWl415l5oGE7Zs4K7es8H6bK133dslO49YpC4fR11zup+Gq3TGOl2iohb/WRA3aP7w5HyuE0jMdLuBCI0+kKu0XvbIPCQceOyyi3G6ymXlCjBLL4RGcG/ZQFBuLqIw4KAeA0ElRbJknugMDYj2TscSENxs2/cKMUjr26ILbWgDcVIhoG4Ed1XPc/RSaBYh3XhQEYXG4JupB5PpKgCA3aDlQe5wwMD+kmwYX3H1YScTbBuVWa4l5AKmHEZVB434KTiEFhBuL8Dec 12 12:49
prurigronaw, I jumped from c64 to win3.11Dec 12 12:49
scientes9VInr2UAjlxRDYsAHKHuJBt1TMJIyVQUus5pCg+TITE7SD7obvzBAe5c0lDjNnWRGHbg8cpOAsXcZwgncpKv5hSQAbtYPVYlW9KjoJ6jdqVQIo2WIbe2834v0VCQgKrK5wCRXrNHDTT0gGnywSRNFg2nkBDfojspnMZZzbW9l4uKiamkEsL3xPB/PG4tcPmF3HgbxzPVV8Wj629sxndsp6l9gd54Y7vfgFdNbamWnXGAk3uisgkPUFvxsVqfdW3ta3tdSjpnX9LchZ1W+SgKcgXI+iZzSLHaR7rV8p7QbsCo1sjYhd5Y0HuQFYlu3BeKfDzIQ6toIyxnMsQ4H94dvguXY1ubZPuvWWSQzgt3scCLYcCvOfEWn/wAlakWRgCCUbo+ze4Usc1CMDaeFIfFVxJa9upuiB/F/ish3Dp26KEXqueU7neonoUogWm/QDec 12 12:49
scientesoLUZaWgOPRN5Qb6uFEEXAHCk9xJt0WQwdk7ibIgIcbA8IJTb9uQcq0HHJOcJ3Bxb6uD+qQtYHvyme+4xwoB2PmcFTa1znWILfimadzhbGVYBA/MDdVFct2Z9+qUst8DqizPaG4F/YqsQdw+CQM19m82TtcbqJb0RNu2xOLqhnG+CltJPXCi8gc9eFKJxu6+EBbFzQAc4SeC7tjsk17Wi46BQa64OTlAth90k/l/8Q/VJBnuBNlB1nelEd6Wi6ETY36KtA1Ufpt3WYyR1LX08sRtLHMx7PiHAhd/oTtAqY4ovulPLqW0N8mtqXwCd/ADHbizdkWB23W7ENP06omin8Fx0MkjwPN2h9mkm5a4jNxcYK6Y3SadnT61HUUzJJtu5zQTi6sRVMEhuxwv7FZdJF4c1KEmBlRAA7YSLizrXt7qy3www2dp+plxIuGSj/Dec 12 12:50
scientesJWdt9ML7SfFrvDmlRNodpr6txbEXeoMAtudbryBbuV4bWVdZqEzp9QnlqZSbl0ry76DovS/tK8JeJanVYqptA6qpY4BG10Lmnbkk3be/UfRedVdHPFN5ckMjHN5a5tiPkusykjnZahTN2kFrQ09wLLT8+d4b5k0j9vG5xNlVhaACSMKw0tJDRwVi3ZFuI72Y5ByiOdcAdeEGL02HskXEm65qK67QB3RcFgHZU3yKRnuB6QEsF1os03Nk8b7tNuip/eC4WKlG839lDec 12 12:50
oiaohmI think somone oppsedDec 12 12:50
scientesoh geezeDec 12 12:50
scientesi view-sourced an inline jpegDec 12 12:50
scientesgo firefox didn't give me a link, but raw dataDec 12 12:50
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scientesoh, it was ajax generatedDec 12 12:51
oiaohmPardon my LOL but that was good scientes after today.Dec 12 12:51
scienteshttp://gallery.audioreview.com/data/audio//500/AX882433_Executioners_Axe.jpgDec 12 12:51
TechrightsBot-trNot a web page! Aborting image/jpeg typeDec 12 12:51
oiaohmDos based POS was what I was expecting.Dec 12 12:51
prurigroof an axe no lessDec 12 12:51
oiaohmThey are fairly simple to deal with.Dec 12 12:51
oiaohmBut this thing is pure wiered.Dec 12 12:51
scientesprurigro, google images aparently send the images across ajax socket, not as sep filesDec 12 12:52
oiaohmYou know you have a problem when the backup tape is a normal audio tape.Dec 12 12:52
prurigrolol thats ridiculous, tho I can see the logicDec 12 12:53
prurigroand lolDec 12 12:53
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prurigroanalog!Dec 12 12:53
scienteslolDec 12 12:53
oiaohmVHS tape is also a problem these days.Dec 12 12:53
oiaohmBut at least it a decnet ammount per tape.Dec 12 12:53
scientesif it was custom they really should move to axe itDec 12 12:54
scientescause it probably doesnt even have a decent UIDec 12 12:54
prurigroyea, tho how to they export that beast?Dec 12 12:54
oiaohmscientes: thinking it interface makes blenders old interface look sane.Dec 12 12:54
oiaohmSo yes I am planing to do it in.Dec 12 12:54
prurigrololDec 12 12:54
prurigromigration?Dec 12 12:55
scientesI have seen ancient interfaces that are actually really good consideringDec 12 12:55
scientesbut this obviously wouldnt be one of themDec 12 12:55
oiaohmI know some ancient interfaces that are good.Dec 12 12:55
oiaohmTo be nice this is not one of those.Dec 12 12:55
oiaohmLets say this looks like the person first attempt at gui programming.Dec 12 12:56
oiaohmYou have more windows coming up than you need.Dec 12 12:56
oiaohmThey end up in the wrong order.Dec 12 12:56
oiaohmAnd you must enter data into windows in the right order or it basically jams.Dec 12 12:56
oiaohmBasically welcome to padlock centeral the POS is out to get you.Dec 12 12:56
prurigronice hahaDec 12 12:56
oiaohmMine you the cvs idea seams insane at first.Dec 12 12:57
oiaohmBut they have never had a database failure.Dec 12 12:57
oiaohmThink how often you need to delete records from a POS.Dec 12 12:57
scientesimpressiveDec 12 12:58
oiaohmBasically GUI need to be killed.Dec 12 12:58
oiaohmsome backend stuff could be a very valid way todo it.Dec 12 12:58
scienteslulz if that breaks on a differnt processor thouDec 12 12:58
oiaohmIn fact not.Dec 12 12:58
oiaohmIf the software would work.Dec 12 12:58
oiaohmthe CVS record design is arch netueral.Dec 12 12:59
scientescause dealing with flat files you have gazillions of race conditions AMIRITE?Dec 12 12:59
oiaohmReally the source code of all thing is pascal turbo something.Dec 12 12:59
oiaohmscientes: its a posDec 12 13:00
scientesits turbo pascalDec 12 13:00
scientespardon my frenchDec 12 13:00
prurigroI take it there's a single terminal?Dec 12 13:00
oiaohmscientes: how many operations should you be running at the same time.Dec 12 13:00
scientesahhhDec 12 13:00
scienteswhat type of businessDec 12 13:00
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oiaohmprurigro: each operates as a single terminal dumps a record to be taken to back offer were its merged.Dec 12 13:01
oiaohmscientes: case of protect the gulity will not say.Dec 12 13:01
scientesokDec 12 13:01
scientesfair enoughDec 12 13:01
scientesjust saying if it were a restraunt or something the story might be differntDec 12 13:01
scienteslots more transactionsDec 12 13:01
prurigrolikely some small storeDec 12 13:01
prurigroId guessDec 12 13:02
oiaohmEven in a restraunt the sync is end of day.Dec 12 13:02
scientesnot the one I know ofDec 12 13:02
oiaohmThe design is very sold in the form that any single machine fails.Dec 12 13:02
prurigrounless its networked from the startDec 12 13:02
scientesyou mean supply sync?Dec 12 13:02
scienteswell then IDKDec 12 13:02
oiaohmI will give a kind of hint.  Think place selling many non eatable items.Dec 12 13:03
oiaohmThat there is really no need for sync on anything instantly.Dec 12 13:03
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oiaohmAs long as you are inside 24 hours of correct its fine.Dec 12 13:03
oiaohmIts interesting of course.Dec 12 13:04
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scientesshit, all it was was my touchpad mouse button getting stuckDec 12 13:04
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oiaohmRapid catchup::]I will give a kind of hint.  Think place selling many non eatable items.That there is really no need for sync on anything instantly.  As long as you are inside 24 hours of correct its fine.  Its interesting of course.Dec 12 13:06
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oiaohmscientes: I guess there are a lot of POS locations that don't need the high speed syncing between locations.Dec 12 13:06
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oiaohmSometimes you want to kick TechrightsBot-tr bot where it hurts.Dec 12 13:09
scientesoiaohm, do you do any data analysisDec 12 13:09
scientesof the logs/historyDec 12 13:09
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scientes^^^^^agreedDec 12 13:10
oiaohmscientes: here no.Dec 12 13:10
oiaohmscientes: working out how a computer got infected hell yes.Dec 12 13:10
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oiaohmReally its a sportDec 12 13:11
scientesoh i was wondering about business analyticsDec 12 13:11
scientesalso, infection windows 3.11, really?Dec 12 13:12
oiaohmstone virus.Dec 12 13:12
oiaohmyes the most common infection of it age.Dec 12 13:12
oiaohmbusiness analytics I don't find any fun in.Dec 12 13:13
oiaohmDesigning networks I do enjoy.Dec 12 13:13
oiaohmI have design the most virus resistant network possible.Dec 12 13:13
oiaohmNow its making it user friendly.Dec 12 13:13
oiaohmNote I said possible.Dec 12 13:13
oiaohmI cannot work out how to prevent bios virus issues yet.Dec 12 13:14
oiaohmI have got a full network reinstall down to under 6 hours.  scientesDec 12 13:15
scientesgeezeDec 12 13:15
oiaohmGets worseDec 12 13:15
scientescant you just firewall off the POS system?Dec 12 13:15
oiaohmI don't just deal with that system.Dec 12 13:15
oiaohmI design networks for many businessDec 12 13:15
oiaohmthe largest I run solo is 100 machines.Dec 12 13:16
oiaohmAnd yes I can get that network fully reinstalled in 6 hours.Dec 12 13:16
oiaohmScary enough 1 hour down time.Dec 12 13:16
oiaohmscientes: Now can you work out how I hide 5 hours.Dec 12 13:17
scientesset up a cron job that uses cpu and mem while browsing reddit in the janitor closet?Dec 12 13:17
scientesalong with a script that removes linuxgenuineadvantage? :PDec 12 13:18
oiaohmI mean all 100 users at there machines scientesDec 12 13:18
oiaohmLinux thin clients are magic.Dec 12 13:18
scientestmpfs?Dec 12 13:19
scientesno ideaDec 12 13:19
oiaohmLInux dvd providing  LTSPDec 12 13:19
oiaohmSo allowing all the computers in the network to access that.Dec 12 13:20
scientesbut what about the server?Dec 12 13:20
scientesnetboot?Dec 12 13:20
oiaohmThat goes in the server.Dec 12 13:20
scientesare these cilent windows or linux?Dec 12 13:20
oiaohmBoth.Dec 12 13:20
scienteslinux client with windows being usedDec 12 13:20
oiaohmThey run Linux as backup.Dec 12 13:20
scientesahhhDec 12 13:21
scientesjust for webDec 12 13:21
scientesso people can still get shit doneDec 12 13:21
scientes?Dec 12 13:21
oiaohmweb and libreoffice and a few other things by ltspDec 12 13:21
scienteswhy do they need windows in the first place?Dec 12 13:21
oiaohmBackground of course clean installing Linux.Dec 12 13:21
oiaohmOn serverDec 12 13:21
oiaohmWhile that is going on you can pull the back up images from the back records for windows.Dec 12 13:22
oiaohmAnd have the alt boot Linux installing clean on the client machines.Dec 12 13:22
scientesto provide you with tons of work?Dec 12 13:22
oiaohmBasically everything is going flat stack.Dec 12 13:22
scientesbut i thought they usually use windows?Dec 12 13:23
oiaohmReally about 30 to 50 mins of me having todo stuff.Dec 12 13:23
oiaohmAnd 5 hours of waiting.Dec 12 13:23
scientesat my HS they whiped the hard drives like once a weekDec 12 13:23
scienteswith a fresh imageDec 12 13:23
*amarsh04 is back at homeDec 12 13:24
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scientessounds like what you are doingDec 12 13:24
oiaohmThink I am imaging while the machine can web browser do documents and other things.Dec 12 13:24
scientesahhh, i gotchaDec 12 13:24
scientesthat makes senseDec 12 13:24
oiaohmAt the same time.Dec 12 13:24
scienteslots of senseDec 12 13:24
scientesagain however, why do they need windows?Dec 12 13:24
*amarsh04 wonders how things will pan out with .gov.au migrating a health minister to attorney-generalDec 12 13:24
oiaohmscientes: blame australian goverment.Dec 12 13:25
oiaohmscientes: Yes you have to use windows software.Dec 12 13:25
scienteslike korea with ActiveX?Dec 12 13:25
oiaohmscientes: I get a free copy of windows each year to submit tax return.Dec 12 13:25
scientesholy shitDec 12 13:25
scientes.gov.au releases tax software that is windows-onlyDec 12 13:25
oiaohmscientes: yepDec 12 13:25
scienteseven the US gov of all things can get that one right with a web-appDec 12 13:26
scientesand its mandatory over all thigns, no paper allowedDec 12 13:26
oiaohmNote it is windows only.Dec 12 13:26
scientesin the US its all turbo-tax, but the IRS finially launched its ownDec 12 13:26
oiaohmThere is no Linux or OS X support.Dec 12 13:26
oiaohmMind you its worseDec 12 13:26
scientesand also a web-service to interact with turbotax, and the competorDec 12 13:26
oiaohmThey will pay for a copy of vmware and an expensive enough copy of windows to run in that.Dec 12 13:27
scientesuse to be the programs just printed out the paper forms to then later be read by OCRDec 12 13:27
oiaohmJust so you can run the tax program.Dec 12 13:27
scientesthey need to design a https siteDec 12 13:27
scientesI mean tax software of all things is easy to designDec 12 13:27
scientesits just a bunch of set formulasDec 12 13:27
oiaohmBiggest Linux super computer in AustraliaDec 12 13:27
oiaohmThe tax officeDec 12 13:27
scientesbased on set dataDec 12 13:28
oiaohmI am not kidding.Dec 12 13:28
scientesits just one big wizardDec 12 13:28
oiaohmInternally they run LinuxDec 12 13:28
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scientesoh courseDec 12 13:28
oiaohmBut you cannot interface with them with Linux.Dec 12 13:28
scientesyou have to to process that type of dataDec 12 13:28
scientesbut seriously, they should do a web appDec 12 13:28
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scienteshell, why cant the just use winelib?Dec 12 13:29
scientesand package it up the way google packaged picasaDec 12 13:29
oiaohmscientes: read http://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/content.aspx?doc=/content/73931.htmDec 12 13:29
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scientesso it looks native on linux and osxDec 12 13:29
oiaohmscientes: Might work if the thing was not writing in what I suspect is visual basic and used IE to downlaod and interface with crap.Dec 12 13:30
scientes"Those recommended have been tested and comply with our security and privacy requirements."Dec 12 13:30
scientesepic lulzDec 12 13:30
oiaohmNote they do mention wineDec 12 13:31
scientes"Some Linux users have reported success using 'Wine', but we have not tested this."Dec 12 13:31
scientesmore lulzDec 12 13:31
scientesthey should just package it with winelib, and then nobody would knowDec 12 13:31
oiaohmNow its not the only goverment department that is insane like this.Dec 12 13:31
scientesit would only take like one programmer a day or soDec 12 13:32
scientesand they have already put in that much effortDec 12 13:32
scientesyou should email them about the existance of winelibDec 12 13:32
scientesbecuase winelib runs on OSX tooDec 12 13:33
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oiaohmscientes: the current contact for etax software ends in 2012Dec 12 13:33
scientesthat move to intel gives wine a much bigger marketDec 12 13:33
oiaohmAnd yes the ATO is going to run it to the end.Dec 12 13:33
oiaohmThe annoying buggers.Dec 12 13:33
scientesmakes all those windows games work on macDec 12 13:33
*amarsh04 is waiting on mesa 7.11.2 to installDec 12 13:34
oiaohmscientes: If they stick to plan in either 2012 or 2013 they will kill the etax program out right.Dec 12 13:36
scientesand prob switch to webDec 12 13:36
scienteslike every other sane entityDec 12 13:36
*amarsh04 hasn't had to deal with the ATO on software issues since 1989 and still feels owed an apology over their non-conforming kermit implementation back thenDec 12 13:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[gotunandan/@gotunandan] Shared a post "Think your torrenting habits are private and secure? You Have Downloaded thinks otherwise, and it's mak... http://b1t.it/aaoSDec 12 13:39
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oiaohmscientes: You wish.Dec 12 13:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #HADOPI Wants To Research File Downloads: Shouldn't It Have Done That First? - http://bit.ly/rq5WJf who needs evidence?Dec 12 13:40
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oiaohmscientes: switch to web and add own custom identification module.Dec 12 13:41
scientesok, they will move to .NETDec 12 13:41
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oiaohmhttps://www.auskey.abr.gov.au/CredentialRequest/AUSkeySoftwareDownload.aspx?Task=36d10e64-f668-4479-801b-0df8855279fc&NavGraph=AUSkeySoftwareDownload&View=AUSkeySoftwareDownload&pid=71&js=1Dec 12 13:41
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oiaohmscientes: we managed to get it to java.Dec 12 13:41
scientesyou mean an applet?Dec 12 13:42
oiaohmno you are thinking too simple.Dec 12 13:43
scientesyou mean sanelyDec 12 13:44
scientesthey should launch their own linux live CD distribution, wait, for the lulzDec 12 13:45
scientesTaxOSDec 12 13:45
scientesand have it have no web browser by default, and no support for ntfsDec 12 13:46
oiaohmThey have added extra API to java.Dec 12 13:46
scientesso you have to manually write down all your figures, and then reboot back into your main OS if you forgot something from your accounting softwareDec 12 13:46
MinceRno, i can just use a sane filesystem :>Dec 12 13:46
oiaohmFor the pure reason of storing the encrypt id.Dec 12 13:46
MinceRand run the liveCD in a VM :>Dec 12 13:46
scientesit just boot directly to Clippy and a wizardDec 12 13:47
oiaohmscientes: Note ATO here I have given up on the idea of sane.Dec 12 13:47
oiaohmscientes: THink they have added there own API to java.Dec 12 13:47
oiaohmNot a applet or anything.Dec 12 13:47
scientesMinceR, they will prevent VM loading MWAHAHAHADec 12 13:47
oiaohmscientes: then uses javascript to java to access it.Dec 12 13:48
oiaohmscientes: to confirm ID.Dec 12 13:48
scientesyes client-side scripted securityDec 12 13:49
scientestotally a featureDec 12 13:49
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] ROTFL http://ur1.ca/6mjngDec 12 13:49
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oiaohmscientes: its cpu netural at leastDec 12 13:49
MinceRscientes: they only wish they couldDec 12 13:49
oiaohmfor small mercyes.Dec 12 13:49
oiaohmit was going to be .netDec 12 13:49
oiaohmuntil Linux Australia got up ATO ribs and threated to take them for desrimination.Dec 12 13:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Megaupload to Sue Universal, Joins Fight Against #SOPA - http://bit.ly/swKeLE striking backDec 12 13:50
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scientesMinceR, it wont have graphics drivers for vms and wont scroll properly in VESA HAHAHAHAHADec 12 13:51
oiaohmscientes: its fully one time keybased.Dec 12 13:51
MinceRscientes: what GPU will it require then?Dec 12 13:51
scienteswith a 2 minute timeout...Dec 12 13:51
scientesso if you have to get your files you have to enter everything over againDec 12 13:52
oiaohmMinceR: I guess you don't deal with Tax office pick on Linux stuff.Dec 12 13:52
scientesMinceR, wait can you iommu a graphics card to a vm now?Dec 12 13:52
oiaohmscientes: You will love this.Dec 12 13:53
MinceRscientes: probably notDec 12 13:54
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oiaohmLinux auskey is about 7 megs windows auskey is 26.5 megsDec 12 13:56
oiaohmQuestion what is hidding in there.Dec 12 13:56
scientescause that would be sweetDec 12 13:57
MinceRspyware?Dec 12 13:57
MinceRbackdoor?Dec 12 13:57
scienteswhat is auskey?Dec 12 13:57
MinceRthe whole gnu/linux version of the software with OS and a virtualizer for winblows? :>Dec 12 13:57
oiaohmauskey is the software you have to install to get into many tax office sites to do business reporting in australia.  scientesDec 12 13:58
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oiaohmMinceR:  the software is java.Dec 12 13:58
MinceRso? :>Dec 12 13:58
oiaohmMinceR: fully java extention to java.Dec 12 13:58
scienteshow often do you have to report? quarterly? monthly?Dec 12 13:58
MinceRwell, maybe they include the JRE thenDec 12 13:58
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MinceRor the JDKDec 12 13:58
scientesthey have to do that in linux tooDec 12 13:59
MinceRnot reallyDec 12 13:59
oiaohmscientes: depends on how much money you make.Dec 12 13:59
scientesbut they must not if its only 7 mbDec 12 13:59
MinceRthat's what the package repo is for :>Dec 12 13:59
oiaohmscientes: yearly quaterly and monthly are all australian options.Dec 12 13:59
scientesif it runs with the open source javaDec 12 13:59
oiaohmand it based on income.Dec 12 13:59
oiaohmscientes: Yes it works with open source java.Dec 12 13:59
MinceRthey may think winblows users are too stupid to install the JRE for themselvesDec 12 13:59
scientesputin did the flat tax, how did that work?Dec 12 13:59
oiaohmMinceR: there is a portable version for windows as well.Dec 12 14:00
oiaohmThat really has me wondering.Dec 12 14:00
oiaohmand its about the same size.Dec 12 14:00
MinceRfunny misuse of the word "portable", thatDec 12 14:00
oiaohmMinceR: windows has two versions,.Dec 12 14:00
scientesits the fact that in windows everything always has every library again and againDec 12 14:00
scientesbloating your ramDec 12 14:01
MinceRwell yesDec 12 14:02
scientesooo, .app 's in OSX are niceDec 12 14:02
scientesin terms of usabilityDec 12 14:02
MinceRthey've failed at implementing shared librariesDec 12 14:02
MinceROSX fails tooDec 12 14:02
scientesuserspace install should be supported in linuxDec 12 14:02
MinceRthere probably are lots of solutions for thatDec 12 14:02
scientesbut i guess you have to standardize package management first, which isn't going to happen any time soonDec 12 14:02
scientesif you want a Right Way to Do It solutionDec 12 14:03
MinceRindependently of the distro thoughDec 12 14:03
scientesthat isn't shittly like windows or OSX'sDec 12 14:03
MinceRfor proprietary crap, i can accept the monolithic OSX style packagingDec 12 14:03
scientes^agreedDec 12 14:03
MinceRespecially if there's a method to override included libraries with system onesDec 12 14:03
oiaohmMinceR: there is worse.Dec 12 14:03
MinceRi knowDec 12 14:03
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scientesi just think its cool from a user-interface POVDec 12 14:04
oiaohmMinceR: http://portablelinuxapps.org/ ever used thesesDec 12 14:04
scientescause windows still has all thesew stupid OK buttons, that would be funny if they wernt so annoyingDec 12 14:04
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scientesi'm talking apt-get install for usersDec 12 14:05
scienteslike apt-user firefoxDec 12 14:05
scienteslike apt-user ppa://mozilla/firefox-nightly*Dec 12 14:05
scientesor something like thatDec 12 14:05
MinceRoiaohm: how does this one work?Dec 12 14:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] Kdenlive part 4: Color correction | http://red.ht/rYI6kn #opensource #GNU #kde #videoDec 12 14:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How Do You Explain A Child Like Justin? - http://bit.ly/vqxl6G this is what real education looks likeDec 12 14:05
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oiaohmMinceR: basically bundle everything it needs and places in a directory with the application.Dec 12 14:06
MinceRso the usual method :>Dec 12 14:06
MinceRXonotic's binary package worked well enoughDec 12 14:06
oiaohmYep the usual I am ugly method.Dec 12 14:06
MinceRunpack to /opt, run the binary :>Dec 12 14:06
MinceRactually, the wrapper scriptDec 12 14:06
oiaohmYes Universal install on Linux is possible.Dec 12 14:06
oiaohmBut boy it starts looking very quickly like windows MSI files.Dec 12 14:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Jamming Jamhuri Day to everyone in the .ke! Long live Uhuru! Long Live The Republic! Viva Africa!Dec 12 14:07
scientesyeah, agreed, in the end linux way is bestDec 12 14:08
oiaohmscientes: Not really there is a weakness.Dec 12 14:08
scienteswaitDec 12 14:08
oiaohmI would love to be able to say give my a zip... of a application with all it dependances to install at home.Dec 12 14:08
scientesyou could integrate source with something like thatDec 12 14:08
oiaohmFrom what ever OS I am on.Dec 12 14:09
scientesnahDec 12 14:09
scientesits hard to do it cleanDec 12 14:09
oiaohmOne day I might work out how todo this Dec 12 14:09
oiaohmscientes: really not.Dec 12 14:09
oiaohmThink installed packages on USB key.Dec 12 14:09
scientesas in user-interface-wise as wellDec 12 14:09
oiaohmLittle web/java program of someform.Dec 12 14:09
oiaohmThat does not care about OS but can get the files you need.Dec 12 14:10
scientesin linux you just have to learn a little bit moreDec 12 14:10
scientesand you can do any of this stuffDec 12 14:10
scientesdid you notice ubuntu's software center has propritary programs and gamesDec 12 14:11
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[timbl/@timbl] Excellent! RT @NeelieKroesEU: Unlocking the goldmine : NK on new #opendata proposals http://ur1.ca/6mjx7Dec 12 14:12
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[timbl/@timbl] EU #opendata press release http://ur1.ca/6mgjhDec 12 14:12
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scientesclean is command-not-found handler that tell you what to install with a specific commandDec 12 14:13
scientesnow that is spiffynessDec 12 14:13
scientes"Install X to process yours command [Y/n]?Dec 12 14:14
scienteshahaDec 12 14:14
MinceRi don't like itDec 12 14:14
MinceRafter each mistyped command, long seconds of thrashingDec 12 14:14
scientesahhDec 12 14:14
scientesit does take a few secondsDec 12 14:15
MinceRand a lot of extra cruft output that i don't needDec 12 14:15
scientesi guess i havn't used it withoutDec 12 14:15
MinceRiirc yum can be asked to find the package for a command anywayDec 12 14:15
scientesand the spelling correction is overkillDec 12 14:15
scientesit could be cleaned up to be much fasterDec 12 14:15
scientesbut still be thereDec 12 14:16
scientesdpkg -S IIFCDec 12 14:17
scientesshould be rewritten in C with a strict dictionaryDec 12 14:18
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] cryptogon.com » Beyond Guantánamo, a Web of Prisons for Terrorism Inmates - #obama #usa #stateterrorism http://ur1.ca/6mk0uDec 12 14:19
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scientesthat is autogen from repository update informationDec 12 14:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Iran Military Practicing Straits Of Hormuz Closure | ZeroHedge - #nato #stateterrorism #wwiii http://goo.gl/Ye3qQDec 12 14:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] If you ar ein Munich on thursday - here's a tip: http://ur1.ca/6mk3gDec 12 14:24
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scienteswell gNightDec 12 14:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Viellecht sollte #Guttenberg mal den Kimvestor AKA Kim Schmitz in sein Beraterteam berufen. Megaupload for Open Data.Dec 12 14:34
*prurigro gives voice to Brendan_T cubezzzDec 12 14:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Updated my journal over at http://ur1.ca/6mkb6 . P.s: @eebrah Also, phpfied it.Dec 12 14:44
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oiaohmhttp://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Firefox-is-bursting-at-the-seams-1393772.html  LOLDec 12 14:44
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MinceRcan't they just cross-compile it?Dec 12 14:46
oiaohmThat requires using mingwDec 12 14:46
oiaohminstead of Microsoft complier.Dec 12 14:46
MinceRsounds like a good thing to me :>Dec 12 14:46
MinceR(especially if visual c/c++ can't even cross-compile)Dec 12 14:47
oiaohmMinceR: 16 mb resulting binary max.Dec 12 14:47
oiaohmAnd it cannot build it in 3 gb of memory.Dec 12 14:47
oiaohmthis is not good.Dec 12 14:47
MinceRindeedDec 12 14:47
MinceRin fact, it should be sufficient to just run the linker in a 64bit environment...Dec 12 14:48
oiaohmNoDec 12 14:49
oiaohmThey are using profile guided optimisation.Dec 12 14:49
oiaohmSo complier needs to run and process results over and over again.Dec 12 14:50
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oiaohmAlso due to MS horid build envorment design MinceRDec 12 14:52
oiaohm32 bit code is produce by 32 bit linker and complier sharing same address space.Dec 12 14:52
MinceRlolDec 12 14:52
oiaohmgoing up to 64 bit only gives you a max of 4gb of memory.Dec 12 14:52
oiaohmSo a temp putt off of doom.Dec 12 14:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Kenya is 17532 days old today ! http://ur1.ca/6mkju cc @eebrah @kelzokoDec 12 14:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Will !Linux's Hardware Requirements Stifle Its Acceptance? | The VAR Guy http://goo.gl/7MPuWDec 12 14:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] The definitive answer to the question "How old are you now?" http://ur1.ca/6mkkcDec 12 14:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] "So teach us to number our days" A nifty little app I made over at Netivity Apps that gives you your age to the precise secondsDec 12 15:00
MinceRVAR guy spreading FUD as usualDec 12 15:01
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] "So teach us to number our days" A nifty little app I made over at Netivity Apps that gives you your days http://ur1.ca/6mkkcDec 12 15:02
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*amarsh04 is running kernel 3.2.0-rc5 just fine on this pii-266Dec 12 15:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Also, Kenya attained Independence on a Thursday http://ur1.ca/6mkkcDec 12 15:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] Putting up the code for DayOld on Github, once I bring my Git chops up to speed!Dec 12 15:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] ANNOUNCE: Before Xmas WikiLeaks will launch the beta test of its new mass defence system that bootstraps large networks from shared values.Dec 12 15:10
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prurigrohttp://mislav.uniqpath.com/2011/12/vim-revisited/ (not trying to start an editor war!)Dec 12 15:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lamm/@lamm] Web devs, please, oh, pretty please don't make users manually fill forms if the info is already in your database. !webdev #justsayingDec 12 15:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @doctorow: After 10+ yrs writing columns, I've FINALLY written something that triggered a prepublication chat with the legal dept! #proudDec 12 15:17
prurigroamarsh04: arch uses xz as well these days- it's the new thing isn't it? Dec 12 15:18
amarsh04I suppose soDec 12 15:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] RT @EFF: Our heroes! @BoingBoing @wikileaks @doctorow push us over k. Not too late to get your name on the charts: http://t.co/5ix5diarDec 12 15:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsfe/@fsfe] !fsfe provides input to EU's 80 billion EUR R & D funding program http://www.2tu.us/3mipDec 12 15:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] @nj3ma Ithough ulikuwa ushaget #Fedora 16 DVD? Hakikisha #mageia DVD umewahi na tutakua poa.Dec 12 15:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] dear !debian !lazyweb - I need to *urgently* make exim4 halt outgoing e-mails for a given user for review before sending. is there a way?Dec 12 15:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] December #CC Newsletter: Public Discussion Launches for Version 4.0 of the CC Licenses http://ur1.ca/6mlkeDec 12 15:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[nj3ma/@nj3ma] "In a Foobar Mitzvah ceremony, you chant lines from the GNU/Linux system source code. How to chant them is up to you. " http://stallman.orgDec 12 15:47
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MinceRlolDec 12 15:48
amarsh04back in a few, doing init 1 to restart programs with new glibcDec 12 15:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] I am not sure the NC stuff is akin to shareware. You can use shareware for commercial purposes. Just expected to pay after a time.Dec 12 15:59
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] I have been suggesting at least a #FreeCC brand for years now. #CC #BYSADec 12 16:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] Volgend jaar weer #paarsevrijdag maar dan voor alle leeftijden? #gk #gay #gaykrantDec 12 16:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @metztli: RT @jameselian On the second day of unix-mas, my sysadmin gave to me, two ssh ports, and a new user idDec 12 16:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Having someone who has ignored copyright in his own thesis by using pages and pages of copy/pasted content without att... http://b1t.it/aatuDec 12 16:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Open Data: Europe Starts to Get It - http://bit.ly/uLZhNa #EU promises on #opendata look good, but more details neededDec 12 16:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Police to test 'anti-riot' laser that can temporarily blind - http://bbc.in/vDtxMU what could possibly go wrong? (v @doctorow @Scunner666)Dec 12 16:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[karsten/@karsten] RT @bako !fsfe provides input to EU's 80 billion EUR R & D funding program http://www.2tu.us/3mipDec 12 16:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Loja do Mato | #Bushcraft e sobrevivência - #pt http://ur1.ca/6mnmeDec 12 16:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] The pirates of YouTube - http://bit.ly/tV00jK good piece on an overlooked problem: copyfraud #publicdomainDec 12 16:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] The @dublab & Creative Commons art & music project - Into Infinity - debuts remixes from Dntel, Jonwayne, Take & others: http://is.gd/05GRq6Dec 12 16:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Congressional Investigations Into Dajaz1.com Censorship Begin - http://bit.ly/rPqNg4 good to see #sopaDec 12 16:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] One in five parents use gadgets as in-home intercom with kids - http://bit.ly/uVoQgZ well, of course: you'd be daft not to...Dec 12 16:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] How is the download session going?Dec 12 16:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Highly unusual UK Supreme Court decision for Assange on Monday, Dec 19 http://t.co/jocxe2rADec 12 16:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Overbroad Censorship & Users - http://bit.ly/s7Ygeu good post by Twitter's general counsel on why #SOPA is a v blunt instrument (v @WLLegal)Dec 12 16:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks #SpyFiles video special: mass global interception part1: http://t.co/Q0tZWw1Y part2: http://t.co/BmwlNSUqDec 12 17:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] Sweating the small stuffDec 12 17:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] I'm with you, @evan. Safe corporate language tends to obscure that free software is radical, to the point that even we forget.Dec 12 17:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] "How do genes associated with homosexuality avoid being weeded out by Darwinian evolution?" http://ow.ly/7WwCDDec 12 17:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @jezra nope. You didn't submit the changes properly. Have fun trying to get your email now you lazy bum.Dec 12 17:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] #Daalhof telt schijnbaar niet meer mee in #Maastricht Je zal er maar wonen - zoals ik - #achterstandswijkDec 12 17:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] CC is looking for a Director of Strategic Partnerships: http://ur1.ca/6mtla #jobsDec 12 17:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[dpic/@dpic] RT @mediagoblin !GNU !MediaGoblin 0.2.0, "Our Tubes" released! Now with html5 video hosting! http://ur1.ca/6mrr1Dec 12 17:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Moodys sobre cimeira europeia não foram tomadas medidas decisivas - Expresso.pt - #euro #bankingsystem #crooks http://goo.gl/gAXPmDec 12 17:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] 96% of Congressmen Agree: Bad Legislation Is Easier To Craft In Secret http://goo.gl/ad2SRDec 12 17:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] RT @NeelieKroesEU Press release with details of today's revolutionary #opendata package: ow.ly/7Wfm3. Turning govt data into gold.Dec 12 17:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] C Arrays Basics Explained with 13 Examples - #programming #tips http://ur1.ca/6mtsfDec 12 17:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[opensourceway/@opensourceway] "Shakespeare goes social:" how open video is revolutionizing learning by @openmatt | http://red.ht/sh0B88 #mozilla #html5Dec 12 18:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Week in review: Facebook bug gives access to private photos, zero-day exploited in ongoing attacks - #security http://goo.gl/uMc3hDec 12 18:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Facebook bug allows users to access private photos - #privacy http://goo.gl/WaOtTDec 12 18:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Only U.S. customers targeted with #CarrierIQ? http://goo.gl/Gpxy8Dec 12 18:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Delivering banking Trojan via malicious boot loaders - #security #brazil http://goo.gl/ByYhMDec 12 18:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !linuxlibre 3.1.5-libre-lemote, 3.0.13-libre-lemote and 2.6.32.50-libre2-lemote binaries for !gnewsense/mipsel !yeeloong are now availableDec 12 18:20
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] RT @communia_eu: 1 January 2012 is Public Domain Day. @demartin explains why this is important: http://goo.gl/Z0rTQDec 12 18:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #IT pros can't resist peeking at privileged information - #privacy http://goo.gl/dmkbfDec 12 18:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] #iFreedom Conference 2011: Noting state leaders' comments on the future of free expression online - https://eff.org/r.5JE #freespeechDec 12 18:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD @fredmanglis: On the 3rd day of unix-mas, my sysadmin gave to me 3X lvm quota, 2 ssh ports & a new user id @nj3ma @kelzOKO @DennisMungaiDec 12 18:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] I am cool with the non-Free being "de-branded" as CC licneses but can that be done? And what about old ones?Dec 12 19:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @copiesofcopies As radical as other bourgeois social phenomena, yes. #trulynotatrollDec 12 19:15
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @evan I think you're right; "community" was skunked long ago. OTOH I'm not sure there's really a !freesoftware "movement" as such.Dec 12 19:17
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] @fontana Bourgeois or middle-class? And does that make it less radical, less important, both, or neither?Dec 12 19:19
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] !disturbing #Sun copy of !LGPL 2.1 with "That's all there is to it!" elided http://ur1.ca/6n1e4Dec 12 19:19
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @copiesofcopies Same thing (not really). I make fun of @bkuhn for use of "middle class" references in his talks about software freedom.Dec 12 19:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @copiesofcopies I think #freesoftware has long term importance *despite* current active control by social and economic elites.Dec 12 19:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] @fontana I agree. Do you think #revolution is necessary?Dec 12 19:25
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] EFF calls for release of Syrian blogger Razan Ghazzawi https://eff.org/r.J7G #freerazanDec 12 19:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] @copiesofcopies We are the revolution. Let's chase @bkuhn with pitchforks.Dec 12 19:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[linuxfoundation/@linuxfoundation] NEW paper available today: OSS compliance considerations for app developers and app stores: http://bit.ly/sA9FPa #oss #appstoresDec 12 19:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is jpope from micro.jpope.org with 90 dents!Dec 12 19:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @stav: Hmm. So sad :-( nothing happened !onthisdate..... -- Today is Jamhuri [ Independence ] Day in !Kenya /cc @nj3ma @kelzOKODec 12 19:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @slackusr: Should a rooted Nook be called a 'Nookie '?Dec 12 19:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #MPAA Boss Chris Dodd Then & Now Concerning Google #Censorship In China - http://bit.ly/vint90 well, look at thatDec 12 19:34
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] CentOS 6.1 released, now on par with RHEL 6.1 (H): http://bit.ly/tLLuvbDec 12 19:37
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Steig Larson & Sweden's raping, pimping, women's rights defending, Police Chief http://t.co/IB6MRPvzDec 12 19:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[copiesofcopies/@copiesofcopies] I was responding to two posts: that quote was the condescending part. (@evan, sorry for polluting your thread.)Dec 12 19:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Platform 21 - STOP RECYCLING and START REPAIRING! - #preppers #fixrecycle http://goo.gl/AAoJiDec 12 19:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Security advisories for Monday http://ur1.ca/6n252Dec 12 19:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @stav: Perhaps "freedom guerrillas" should #occupy_proprietary as a way to promote change? -- Have you heard of http://occupyflash.org?Dec 12 19:52
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @timberners_lee: Excellent! RT @NeelieKroesEU: Unlocking the goldmine : NK on new #opendata proposals h http://p.ost.im/p/eUDStdDec 12 20:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @SiimKallasEU: RT @NeelieKroesEU #OpenData package could also help boost transport and travel related se http://p.ost.im/p/eU5B3MDec 12 20:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] New Open Source Laser Cutter Hits Market - http://onforb.es/vQABYd niceDec 12 20:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RD: @glynmoody: New Open Source Laser Cutter Hits Market - http://onforb.es/vQABYd niceDec 12 20:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] good afternoon !identica !tzagDec 12 20:29
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] that means... waving hello ...?Dec 12 20:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] "!tzag identiverse" .. he said as he went of to hit the sack.Dec 12 20:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Congressional Research Service Shows Hollywood Is Thriving - http://bit.ly/uQqRGN fab; "So why do we need massive legal changes again?"Dec 12 20:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] okay, I'm lost. why does my !clementine stop after just a few seconds of playback? :/Dec 12 20:37
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @tekk true. But a very large power to give volunteers. (near as bad as allowing !wikipedia editors to delete what they deem unimportant)Dec 12 20:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] danny bonnaducci on the amanda show...oookayDec 12 20:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Britain's press are fighting a class war, defending the elite they belong to http://gu.com/p/343jvDec 12 20:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joshuagay/@joshuagay] RT @fsf Heard about printer security bugs? For real security, we need freedom to fix them, not more restrictions: http://ur1.ca/6jnf7 !f ...Dec 12 20:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] I am smart, I am smart, s, m, r t, s, m, r t...Dec 12 20:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] OK, now you don't. I downgraded you from moderator to modhelper. HTH.Dec 12 21:00
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I find that frustrating, too. I should probably debug that.Dec 12 21:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @evan I wasn't going to nuke you, really :)Dec 12 21:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] downloading RIP, anyone know of other data recovery distros? !linux !gnuDec 12 21:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] By memory, me, @hex, @zach, @csarven, @millette, @brionv, @walkah, @sammy@status.net.Dec 12 21:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I don't remember now.Dec 12 21:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] hey everybody, guess who's going to actually start backing up his files?Dec 12 21:04
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Understood. We have a UI for setting up moderators but not modhelpers, so it's a few seconds longer. I should be more disciplined.Dec 12 21:04
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] McCollum memo - Wikipedia - #wwii #usa #japan http://goo.gl/dQc8VDec 12 21:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] The Neoconservative Agenda to Sacrifice the Fifth Fleet | The New Pearl Harbor - #ich #usa #wwiii #mic http://goo.gl/xIE7aDec 12 21:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: @stankov @NeelieKroesEU & spokesman @ECspokesRyan have answered many questions about this today. Do you hav http://p.ost.im/p/eUmsV6Dec 12 21:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joshuagay/@joshuagay] A colourful uprising in Damascus http://ur1.ca/6n45i #syria #revolutionDec 12 21:14
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @evan no worries. we all have our little foibles.Dec 12 21:17
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft Azure now hosts Hadoop, Node.js., other open source apps (InfoWorld): http://bit.ly/tRPu1gDec 12 21:24
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Stand up and fight: A week of action against censorship. https://eff.org/r.4JW #blacklist #SOPADec 12 21:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Comment: Is #webOS the new Plan B for mobile? - The H Open Source #floss http://goo.gl/XoqNBDec 12 21:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Reader’s Picks Operating Systems Matter More Than Ever people still need and want small cheap computers and havin http://ur1.ca/6n4n5Dec 12 21:35
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] RT @ Reader’s Picks Operating Systems Matter More Than Ever people still need and want small cheap computers and havin http://ur1. ...Dec 12 21:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] #Wikipedia Mulls Total Blackout to Oppose #SOPA - http://bit.ly/uGDuLL but how will students do their homework...?Dec 12 21:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @glynmoody #Wikipedia Mulls Total Blackout to Oppose #SOPA - http://bit.ly/uGDuLL but how will students do their homework...?Dec 12 21:47
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #FBI says #CarrierIQ files used for "law enforcement purposes" - Boing Boing vi@cw #usa #policestate #surveillance http://goo.gl/GgdeFDec 12 21:49
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Huawei says it will not pursue new business in Iran where authorities use its products to track dissidents https://eff.org/r.J7XDec 12 21:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Security problem in PuTTY #SSH client fixed - The H Open Source #floss http://goo.gl/g6UNqDec 12 21:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] @zotz You're right, shareware is merely a "free trial" version of non-freeDec 12 21:52
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Awe-inspiring Digital Art & Illustration | INSIC DESIGNS #dai #wallpapers http://goo.gl/AJtSgDec 12 21:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] The Linaro Community Contributor Process http://ur1.ca/6n50mDec 12 21:55
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Stunning Illustrations of Female Game Character (CAUTION: They are HOT!) | INSIC DESIGNS #dai #wallpapers http://goo.gl/DP0LBDec 12 21:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] http://ur1.ca/3bu0t: Two #Libertarian Cities On the Drawing Boards - #libcities http://goo.gl/rP9TmDec 12 21:59
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Heirloom Of The Future: Kanye West’s Tweets, Embroidered (Jezebel): http://bit.ly/rujjqYDec 12 22:00
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] seriously, anyone know of a data recovery distro? I'm afraid that RIP may be too heavy, guess I'll find out..Dec 12 22:02
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] @tekk yep, RIP requires PAE, come on, I need options..Dec 12 22:05
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Univention Corporate Server 3 released - The H Open Source - #floss #distros #server #debian #gnulinux http://goo.gl/xBYR1Dec 12 22:07
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Ubuntu Software Centre to support PayPal - The H Open Source http://goo.gl/LkNcIDec 12 22:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: RT @glynmoody: RT @NeelieKroesEU Practising what we preach: EC's own data will be available free, open, single portal in 2012Dec 12 22:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: RT @DrRimmer: The contradictions of Hillary Clinton's doctrine of internet freedom - http://t.co/6HorTSkXDec 12 22:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: Canada’s online beehive: @dtapscott on the future of the CBC and what the public broadcaster should be doing http://t.co/Oo ...Dec 12 22:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: RT @CRTCgcca: CRTC finds Bell Mobility in breach of rules over exclusive programming rights http://t.co/WNd1vicFDec 12 22:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: Daily Digital Lock Dissenter, Day 49: Union des consommateurs on digital locks & privacy & freedom of speech http://t.co/gR ...Dec 12 22:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: Why Spotify can never be profitable: The secret demands of record labels http://t.co/Tf6iypV3Dec 12 22:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: .@relkatz has a great post on fair dealing, copyright, and the Passover Haggadah http://t.co/HQuHt3D9Dec 12 22:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] NYPD shred kids' paper hearts commemorating #Occupy arrestees before their very eyes http://identi.ca/url/62278710Dec 12 22:22
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[xface/@xface] RT @ mgeist: Why The Govt's Lawful Access Claims Stand on a Shaky Foundation - my column on Toews' deceptive claims http://t.co/wO5v5DZNDec 12 22:22
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] The Encyclopedia of Sci-fi Goes Live Online - Slashdot http://goo.gl/OdqoL - #scifi - http://ur1.ca/6n5p5Dec 12 22:27
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] The Internet Speculative Fiction Database - #scifi http://goo.gl/1j3GDec 12 22:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joshuagay/@joshuagay] Updated the #MythTV entry on the FS Directory ur1.ca/6n5qr and linked to it on !DBD Holiday Buying Guide ur1.ca/6701t !fsf !gnuDec 12 22:32
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !RedHat forecasts double-digit growth in Latin America in fiscal 2012, Regional, Info. Technology, news http://goo.gl/QJhQgDec 12 22:32
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @stav I agree. Nothing more predictably boring than reading a 300 page predictable formulaic book.Dec 12 22:34
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Site Offers History of Torrent Downloads By IP - Slashdot - #p2p #mafiaa http://goo.gl/eIt73 http://goo.gl/3X7ccDec 12 22:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fontana/@fontana] RT @mediagoblin !GNU !MediaGoblin 0.2.0, "Our Tubes" released! Now with html5 video hosting! http://ur1.ca/6mrr1Dec 12 22:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[joshuagay/@joshuagay] RT @sudoman I just added a "featured projects" list to the Free Software Directory. Check it out! http://ur1.ca/2gzcw !gnu !free !f ...Dec 12 22:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] so, how many do YOU know? http://ur1.ca/2rhqh !freesoftwareDec 12 22:40
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Gamasutra - News - Judge Dismisses PlayStation 3 'Other OS' Removal Class Action Suit http://ur1.ca/6n5xr « Seems like http://ur1.ca/6n5xsDec 12 22:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] [Phoronix] New Features Approved For !Fedora 17 http://goo.gl/tIVpADec 12 22:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Quoth @Evan: How will professors do their homework? [if there's a Wikipedia blackoutDec 12 22:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[fsf/@fsf] RT @sudoman I just added a "featured projects" list to the Free Software Directory. Check it out! http://ur1.ca/2gzcw !gnu !free !f ...Dec 12 22:44
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !CC Version 4.0 – Public Discussion Launches - Creative Commons http://goo.gl/gYisr v @fabshDec 12 22:44
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @stav I just wrote to my Congresswoman to ask her to oppose the Stop Online Piracy Act #SOPADec 12 22:50
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[eff/@eff] Attention @Wikipedia editors: Stand with @jimmy_wales in protesting censorship. https://eff.org/r.5JZ #blacklist #SOPADec 12 22:54
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] I tried to put the "no censorship" on my tumblr blog following their directions but it broke the CSSDec 12 22:54
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I've linked @omgubuntu's !Mint swap !Banshee discussion before, but I think some of the latest comments warrant a revis http://ur1.ca/6n697Dec 12 22:57
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I want to hold my tongue because I have a soft spot for !Mint, but I confess, I am concerned :(Dec 12 23:02
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] sweet dreams @pensadorlouco !tzafDec 12 23:07
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] aaaghhhh, why must filenames be unrecoverable. well, off to cat and grep another few thousand files for my school work..(keeping in .txt ftwDec 12 23:09
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] "Shakespeare goes social:" how open video is revolutionizing learning | opensource.com http://goo.gl/HNsQjDec 12 23:09
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[jwildeboer/@jwildeboer] Shared a post "New WebID Authentication spec out! Improved language. Looking for feedback from security specialists!" ... http://b1t.it/aaG3Dec 12 23:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] aaand it's gone D': At least this will do wonders for my privacy(try to get my browser history NOW)Dec 12 23:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] have a good night @mvdan !tzafDec 12 23:10
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] New John Pilger video on WikiLeaks http://t.co/yNyYTKL0Dec 12 23:10
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] The video's "password protected". Do I need to buy the Guardian to watch it? ☺Dec 12 23:15
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Assange 370 días preso sem acusação, WikiLeaks 373 días sob bloqueio a doações,Manning 567 dias na prisão sem processo http://t.co/OrcGw137Dec 12 23:20
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] My God the pope uses !Android http://goo.gl/5qsNzDec 12 23:25
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] [$] WebOS reborn? http://ur1.ca/6n70hDec 12 23:30
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Assange:370 giorni di arresti,senza condanna;WikiLeaks:373 blocco finanziario,s/causa; Manning:567 prigione s/processo http://t.co/OrcGw137Dec 12 23:30
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Yes, academia runs even more poorly than the corporate world. Like the song says, "if you can make it there, you can make it anywhere..." :)Dec 12 23:35
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] WordPress 3.3 released http://ur1.ca/6n77vDec 12 23:39
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @glynmoody: Open Data: Europe Starts to Get It - http://t.co/TXFjukgp #EU promises on #opendata look goo http://p.ost.im/p/eUVGkpDec 12 23:39
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Assange: 370 days detained-no charge; WikiLeaks: 373 days banking blockade-no process; Manning: 567 days jail-no trial http://t.co/OrcGw137Dec 12 23:40
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] RT @brashley46 Forget the mile-high club - not safe for work or children - http://bit.ly/uACBvs http://b1t.it/aaHJDec 12 23:42
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] sounds like Rogers is having a good old fashioned ho ho ho :oDec 12 23:42
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Assange:370 Tage Arrest-ohne Anklage; #WikiLeaks:373 Tage Bankenblockade-kein Prozess;Manning:567 Haft-kein Verfahren http://t.co/OrcGw137Dec 12 23:50
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-TRIdentica/#techrights-[freemjd/@freemjd] @fontana !OMGA You're right. It's so easy to imagine @rms singing "Lydia the Tattooed Lady".Dec 12 23:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] anyone know of a pager(like less, more, etc.) that lets you delete the file being paged?Dec 12 23:57
-TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Oh !Canada : Why Canada Needs the #Senate: #Omnibus Crime Bill http://ur1.ca/6n7kj #C10 !CDNpoli #CruelCrimeBill #saynotoameanerCanadaDec 12 23:57
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