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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] flash doesn't work in my midori, bug or feature? #midoritest | Dec 20 00:06 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[w3c/@w3c] NHK (Japan Broadcasting Corporation) joined W3C - NHK (Japan Broadcasting Corporation) joined as a new W3C Member. http://ow.ly/1ggGFu | Dec 20 00:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] @jezra fien? don't you mean fine? | Dec 20 00:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] "10 yrs would be enough for composers to earn fairly, then to share our music w/out fees attached." - A #CC xmas: http://bit.ly/rTrJM5 | Dec 20 00:33 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: A Creative Commons Christmas | Leanne Veitch .::. Size~: 52.51 KB | Dec 20 00:33 |
| MinceR | gn | Dec 20 00:44 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAzMDE | Dec 20 00:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [Phoronix] Oracle Solaris 11 Kernel Source-Code Leaked .::. Size~: 16.37 KB | Dec 20 00:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jezra/@jezra] listening to the second choice chimp | Dec 20 00:48 | |
| *balzac (~administr@rrcs-208-125-2-58.nyc.biz.rr.com) has joined #techrights | Dec 20 00:51 | |
| balzac | I'm back for a few minutes, and this time I'm not paranoid | Dec 20 00:51 |
| balzac | Last time I visited the irc channel, I had some kind of stress-induced conspiracy theory eating at me | Dec 20 00:52 |
| balzac | I figured social saboteurs were methodically attacking my reputation to my most trusted contacts... Not unheard of in the age of the Internet and social media... | Dec 20 00:53 |
| brendyn | i had no idea it was like this >.> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7P8mP5uuPw | Dec 20 00:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: North Koreans Mourn Death of Kim Il-Sung - YouTube .::. Size~: 113.63 KB | Dec 20 00:54 |
| balzac | Perhaps there is a department of the CIA which specializes in precisely that. | Dec 20 00:55 |
| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/notice/87376193 | Dec 20 00:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @George Hostler (ghostler)'s status on Tuesday, 20-Dec-11 00:46:42 UTC - Identi.ca: @Schestowitz Astonishing, thanks for sharing http://v.gd/M8hX7V ; USA is becoming a #police state. I see little concern for the tax payer. | Dec 20 00:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> Title: v.gd - Shortened URL .::. Size~: 3.47 KB | Dec 20 00:55 |
| balzac | On the other hand excessive paranoia can have the same results as one would expect from social saboteurs. | Dec 20 00:57 |
| schestowitz | brendyn: I saw something similar | Dec 20 00:57 |
| schestowitz | some people after Jobs died | Dec 20 00:58 |
| balzac | I know I've riled up some opposition elements and they've done their worst, but I was far too specific in my paranoid ramblings. | Dec 20 00:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Passos afirma-se?- Editorial - Jornal de negócios online #pt #boysgirls http://goo.gl/Ugkl8 | Dec 20 01:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Swiss launch Free Assange Now campaign http://t.co/zJG6H8Sp get involved https://t.co/xWcS5ckQ | Dec 20 01:01 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Passos afirma-se?- Editorial - Jornal de negócios online .::. Size~: 89.37 KB | Dec 20 01:01 |
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| brendyn | iit would be interesting to see how they achieved it. apaprently he was considered as a "minor deity" | Dec 20 01:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Strauss-Kahn: O euro é uma jangada prestes a afundar-se- Finanças Públicas - Jornal de negócios - #eu #collapse http://goo.gl/UBg1E | Dec 20 01:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] !Mageia 2 Alpha 2 got released last week: http://ur1.ca/6uyuq and tonight I will install it :)! #Mageia | Dec 20 01:03 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Strauss-Kahn: O euro é uma jangada prestes a afundar-se- Finanças Públicas - Jornal de negócios online .::. Size~: 85.12 KB | Dec 20 01:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Next step – Alpha 2 is ready to test | Mageia Blog (English) .::. Size~: 37.33 KB | Dec 20 01:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] New Photos Released of #Iraq Atrocity, With Documents and Video : Information Clearing House - #usa #mic http://goo.gl/UlFgh | Dec 20 01:04 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: New Photos Released of Iraq Atrocity, With Documents and Video : Information Clearing House .::. Size~: 29.04 KB | Dec 20 01:04 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] cryptogon.com » Programmers Win #DARPA Prize for Reconstructing Shredded Documents - #usa #policestate #surveillance http://goo.gl/AnuGX | Dec 20 01:08 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: cryptogon.com » Programmers Win DARPA Prize for Reconstructing Shredded Documents .::. Size~: 13.51 KB | Dec 20 01:08 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] RT @Anonymous_SA: Please join http://t.co/PT7fukv8 and create a local cell of organizing, activism, and all around good fun. | Dec 20 01:11 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 20 01:11 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[tekk/@tekk] RT @lnxwalt @x11r5 I believe in you, buddy. You and Optimus Prime. | Dec 20 01:14 | |
| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65737-X.Org-Server-1.11.3-Officially-Releasd&p=242578#post242578 | Dec 20 01:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: X.Org Server 1.11.3 Officially Releasd .::. Size~: 76.11 KB | Dec 20 01:19 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 20 01:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[noyesk/@noyesk] Five Last-Minute Gifts for Open Source Fans http://ur1.ca/6uzei #opensource | Dec 20 01:19 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Five Last-Minute Gifts for Open Source Fans | PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 84.16 KB | Dec 20 01:19 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] sr! kekyroxyhe UID 589826 Possibly automated posts | Dec 20 01:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] !sr xefexewesom UID 589857 Possibly automated posts. | Dec 20 01:23 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] LXDE and Xfce – the other desktops - The H Open Source #floss #gnulinux http://goo.gl/X6xSF | Dec 20 01:24 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: LXDE and Xfce – the other desktops - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 42.88 KB | Dec 20 01:24 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] !sr vyfibuquc UID 589906 Automated posts. | Dec 20 01:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] !sr qecuzure UID 573758 Automated posts. I think these are some weird kind of spam. | Dec 20 01:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] !sr rebyxodyhom UID 582381 | Dec 20 01:29 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] !sr rebyxodyhom UID 582381 Automated posts. | Dec 20 01:31 | |
| DaemonFC | http://vserver.13thfloor.at/Stuff/XBOX360/patch-2.6.38.8-xbox0.11.1.diff | Dec 20 01:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 type | Dec 20 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Dec 20 01:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] !sr Does anyone have an automated spam-reporting tool? Seems like there are dozens of auto-posters (no links, though). | Dec 20 01:36 | |
| *XFaCE gives channel operator status to DaemonFC | Dec 20 01:46 | |
| *XFaCE gives channel operator status to koolhead17|zzZZ | Dec 20 01:46 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lwnnet/@lwnnet] Yo Amazon: Please don't hijack the web on Kindle Fire (GigaOm) http://ur1.ca/6v0ai | Dec 20 02:01 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] Thanks. For some reason, I get error 401 with that. | Dec 20 02:01 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Yo Amazon: Please don't hijack the web on Kindle Fire (GigaOm) [LWN.net] .::. Size~: 7.91 KB | Dec 20 02:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | I wish people would quit repeating that "amazon hijacks the web" link | Dec 20 02:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | it doesnt | Dec 20 02:01 |
| Diablo-D3 | kindle doesnt have the android store | Dec 20 02:02 |
| *XFaCE watches Diablo-D3 sing "Oh I love traassh! Everything dirty..." | Dec 20 02:02 | |
| Diablo-D3 | it has an apk that has a dummy executable that loads the kindle store instead | Dec 20 02:02 |
| XFaCE | !google oscar the grouch trash | Dec 20 02:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Classic Sesame Street - Oscar sings "I Love Trash" (1970) - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DZ1SiSUrvUnk | Dec 20 02:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Oscar the Grouch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oscar_the_Grouch | Dec 20 02:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Oscar's Trash Collection . Games . Sesame Street | PBS KIDS | http://pbskids.org/sesame/games/oscar_trash_collection.html | Dec 20 02:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Oscar the Grouch - Muppet Wiki | http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Oscar_the_Grouch | Dec 20 02:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: see above. | Dec 20 02:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | want to install the android store? remove the dummy apk and install the real one. | Dec 20 02:03 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Or fucking replace the firmware | Dec 20 02:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | the hijack isnt done by the kindle custom browser and its not done by any evil means | Dec 20 02:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: or that. | Dec 20 02:03 |
| Diablo-D3 | but its still normal android under the kindle skin | Dec 20 02:03 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: And Drm... | Dec 20 02:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | the reason kindle cant ship the android store apk is because it doesnt have a cell phone | Dec 20 02:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | wifi only devices arent supposed to ship it unless they meet other requirements google has, and virtually none do | Dec 20 02:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | (which is fucking stupid because its causing a proliferation of OEM-specific stores) | Dec 20 02:05 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Hey, it's competition | Dec 20 02:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: which is bad in this case | Dec 20 02:05 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Decentralization is good | Dec 20 02:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | its causing android fragmentation | Dec 20 02:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: wrong | Dec 20 02:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | I do NOT trust oems to run legit stores | Dec 20 02:05 |
| XFaCE | it also doesn't give Google a monopoly in the app store | Dec 20 02:05 |
| Diablo-D3 | look at what apple did with their store | Dec 20 02:06 |
| XFaCE | And that, unlike the web search, would be a monopoly | Dec 20 02:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | its all useless chindia trash now | Dec 20 02:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: btw no | Dec 20 02:06 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: uh huh | Dec 20 02:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | android, by default, can load ANY apk | Dec 20 02:06 |
| XFaCE | ASUS <> Apple | Dec 20 02:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | you dont even need a store to load the apk | Dec 20 02:06 |
| XFaCE | Acer <> Applpe | Dec 20 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65756-Solaris-11-source-code-leaked&p=242585#post242585 | Dec 20 02:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Solaris 11 source code leaked? .::. Size~: 37.7 KB | Dec 20 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | my reply | Dec 20 02:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | the apk package manager is not part of the store, and all stores use it, or you can use it manaully | Dec 20 02:06 |
| Diablo-D3 | you cant do that with an iphone | Dec 20 02:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | and some android OEMs also chose to remove the non-store apk install option. | Dec 20 02:07 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: so see the problem? | Dec 20 02:07 |
| *XFaCE has kicked DaemonFC from #techrights (interupting a conversation) | Dec 20 02:07 | |
| Diablo-D3 | I mean, its fucking stupid to have to jailbreak an android device to install android on it. | Dec 20 02:08 |
| Diablo-D3 | why have linux if you have to fix it. | Dec 20 02:08 |
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| *XFaCE gives channel operator status to DaemonFC | Dec 20 02:08 | |
| *XFaCE gives voice to DaemonFC | Dec 20 02:08 | |
| *Diablo-D3 removes channel operator status from DaemonFC | Dec 20 02:09 | |
| Diablo-D3 | dude wtf, dont give him ops. | Dec 20 02:09 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: True, jailbreaking is pretty much stupid in 100% of the cases it is used | Dec 20 02:09 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: He has had ops for nearly an hour now... | Dec 20 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | open Solaris forks are not going anywhere | Dec 20 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | pick a reason | Dec 20 02:09 |
| Diablo-D3 | he shouldnt, roy doesnt trust him | Dec 20 02:09 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: I gave him ops when Roy was here... | Dec 20 02:09 |
| XFaCE | and Roy had no objections | Dec 20 02:09 |
| XFaCE | FFS, is this a public school? | Dec 20 02:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | roy wasnt paying attention then. | Dec 20 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | if I wanted to screw up the room I would have done it already, not that there would be any point to it | Dec 20 02:10 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: He commented on it | Dec 20 02:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: yes, some people in here need to be treated like kindergardeners | Dec 20 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | since I'm not in the owners list | Dec 20 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | it would be short lived | Dec 20 02:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | its rather depressing | Dec 20 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | If I'm the jester, that makes Diablo-D3 the hobgoblin that lives down in the sewer | Dec 20 02:11 |
| XFaCE | oh FFS | Dec 20 02:11 |
| XFaCE | Cut it out, the both of you | Dec 20 02:11 |
| XFaCE | It's like a freakin married couple | Dec 20 02:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | ? | Dec 20 02:11 |
| XFaCE | oh which one can't here the other | Dec 20 02:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | I cant hear him | Dec 20 02:12 |
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| XFaCE | abeNd-org: Finally! Give us relie | Dec 20 02:12 |
| *XFaCE gives channel operator status to abeNd-org | Dec 20 02:12 | |
| *XFaCE gives voice to abeNd-org | Dec 20 02:12 | |
| XFaCE | ok, where were we | Dec 20 02:13 |
| XFaCE | app store, right | Dec 20 02:13 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: You are correct | Dec 20 02:13 |
| XFaCE | I disagree though that different app stores are necessary a default "bad thing" | Dec 20 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | Diablo-D3 should be in Apple's app store so nobody could share him and they'd delete him when nobody was interested in paying the yearly rent | Dec 20 02:13 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: < < < < this is what you are doing | Dec 20 02:14 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: - - - - this is what we want you to do | Dec 20 02:14 |
| XFaCE | :) | Dec 20 02:14 |
| DaemonFC | (_(_) (_)_) | Dec 20 02:14 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 20 02:14 |
| XFaCE | sigh | Dec 20 02:16 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: So as I was saying | Dec 20 02:16 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] @evan !sr You may want to temporarily halt registration until this deluge of autoposters slows. And maybe add some more modhelpers. | Dec 20 02:16 | |
| XFaCE | I disagree though that different app stores are necessary a default "bad thing" | Dec 20 02:16 |
| XFaCE | ok, that convo died | Dec 20 02:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | do you realize what app stores are? | Dec 20 02:17 |
| XFaCE | so.. | Dec 20 02:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | its places to buy things. | Dec 20 02:17 |
| *XFaCE is now playing: Yes - Big Generator | Dec 20 02:17 | |
| DaemonFC | the concept of an app store is ridiculous | Dec 20 02:17 |
| XFaCE | BIG GENERATOR! | Dec 20 02:17 |
| XFaCE | LIVING OUT OF SIGHT | Dec 20 02:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | it also allows software on your machine | Dec 20 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | it's just a software repository with a payment system and DRM | Dec 20 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | and Apple suing anyone who calls it an app store | Dec 20 02:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: and you suck dick | Dec 20 02:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes has exactly one good song | Dec 20 02:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | its homeworld | Dec 20 02:18 |
| XFaCE | [21:17] <DaemonFC> it's just a software repository with a payment system and DRM | Dec 20 02:18 |
| XFaCE | [21:17] <DaemonFC> and Apple suing anyone who calls it an app store | Dec 20 02:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, he almost gets it | Dec 20 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not so sure why we should be supportive of this crap, when exactly did it become to burdensome to pay someone and then download a standalone installation package? | Dec 20 02:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | it allows people to slip shit on your box | Dec 20 02:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | and spy on you and steal shit from you | Dec 20 02:19 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Don't blame me. I never heard of Big Generator until the owner of my town's music store presented it to me | Dec 20 02:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | google takes apps down that do nasty shit | Dec 20 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, months later | Dec 20 02:19 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: I agree, app stores as implemented are bollocks | Dec 20 02:19 |
| XFaCE | completely idiotic | Dec 20 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | when the malicious payload has already ran on millions of devices | Dec 20 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | and the authors have new malware up to replace it already | Dec 20 02:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | who knows what toshiba does | Dec 20 02:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | and yes, toshiba has their own | Dec 20 02:19 |
| XFaCE | nothign more than gloried GNU-Linux package manager frontends | Dec 20 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | taking down malware is not effective when you approve more new malware every day without inspecting it | Dec 20 02:20 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: indeed | Dec 20 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | eventually people are going to need antivirus for Android | Dec 20 02:20 |
| *XFaCE is now playing: Yes - Owner Of A Lonely Heart | Dec 20 02:20 | |
| XFaCE | :) | Dec 20 02:20 |
| *XFaCE is now playing: Yes - Hold On | Dec 20 02:20 | |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: also | Dec 20 02:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | it makes it harder for people who sell apps | Dec 20 02:21 |
| XFaCE | 90125 is inarguably their best album EVAR!!!11 | Dec 20 02:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | all the sudden they have to deal with 50 different vendors | Dec 20 02:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | just to sell their app | Dec 20 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | How hard would it be for Google to run submitted apps in a sandboxed virtual machine to see what it will do when it is ran on a device? | Dec 20 02:21 |
| XFaCE | Looks like a job for,,, STANDARDS | Dec 20 02:21 |
| DaemonFC | and rejecting anything that behaves suspiciously | Dec 20 02:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | 50 different sets of rules, 50 different paychecks, 50 different ways to get a heart attack from stress | Dec 20 02:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes | Dec 20 02:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | and google has standards | Dec 20 02:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | even apple does in their screwy way | Dec 20 02:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: I mean, basically these companies _dont_ get open source | Dec 20 02:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | they just take it and run | Dec 20 02:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | and give nothing back | Dec 20 02:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | and fuck it up for everyone | Dec 20 02:22 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Except for ASUS | Dec 20 02:22 |
| XFaCE | ASUS has been cool of late | Dec 20 02:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | why do you keep bringing up asus? | Dec 20 02:22 |
| DaemonFC | "Your submission has been rejected due to unusual behavior. If you would like a human to review your submission, you may pay us to do so." :) | Dec 20 02:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | asus's android offerings are basically flat | Dec 20 02:22 |
| XFaCE | Flat? | Dec 20 02:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | unmodified | Dec 20 02:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] !Mageia #Mageia RD @mageia Server outage http://dlvr.it/11CzCg | Dec 20 02:23 | |
| Diablo-D3 | near-stock android combined with a $400 ipad killer tablet thats just like everyone else's | Dec 20 02:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Server outage | Mageia Blog (English) .::. Size~: 20.81 KB | Dec 20 02:23 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: With keyboard! | Dec 20 02:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | only if you get the slider | Dec 20 02:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | they have one without | Dec 20 02:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a better deal imo | Dec 20 02:23 |
| XFaCE | prurigro: Is this true? Is your ASUS transformer basically stock android? | Dec 20 02:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | 10" screen, just use the fucking onscreen keyboard | Dec 20 02:23 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: There's this nice thing called "tactile response" | Dec 20 02:24 |
| prurigro | XFaCE, until they release the source there's not much you can do for not being stock | Dec 20 02:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | toshiba's thrive is almost identical to asus's 10" and its almost identical to the wifi-only galaxy tab | Dec 20 02:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: so? I can turn that on | Dec 20 02:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | vibrate on keypress. | Dec 20 02:24 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: That's not the same | Dec 20 02:24 |
| prurigro | XFaCE, source arriving when ICS is ready | Dec 20 02:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not like Im doing serious typing on this thing. | Dec 20 02:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: seriously though | Dec 20 02:25 |
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| Diablo-D3 | why the fuck would asus or toshiba even NEED a fucking strore | Dec 20 02:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | its retarded | Dec 20 02:25 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: We don't live in the Star trek world yet | Dec 20 02:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: I think you failed in cognition somewhere | Dec 20 02:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | its a fucking portable tablet | Dec 20 02:25 |
| XFaCE | until we have people fluid with beeping touch consoles with numerical codes | Dec 20 02:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | why the fuck do I want a keyboard on it | Dec 20 02:25 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: And I prefer a fucking physical keyboard | Dec 20 02:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | if I want a keyboard I want the keyboard on a fucking desk so I can type on it | Dec 20 02:25 |
| XFaCE | That's the point of the fucking transformer! | Dec 20 02:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | I DONT want a keyboard when Im laying on my couch reading a book! | Dec 20 02:26 |
| XFaCE | Yeah, I get if you are standing up, you aren't liable to whip out your laptop and type | Dec 20 02:26 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Fine! Again, the point of the FUCKING TRANSFORMER | Dec 20 02:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: I mean, I have a fucking full sized keyboard, an expensive mouse, and a 26" monitor | Dec 20 02:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | the transoformer HAS NO POINT | Dec 20 02:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | moving parts BAD | Dec 20 02:27 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah, Apple takes 3 months to approve your app, charges $100 a year + 30% of gross sales for simply hosting it, lags so bad in updating it that you have security problems and crashers that you already fixed that Apple users have to deal with for months | Dec 20 02:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | especially when its $400 of moving parts! | Dec 20 02:27 |
| DaemonFC | and then right after Apple explains it's so low quality apps don't get in, you notice that they approved another fake degree generator or fart button app | Dec 20 02:27 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: It creates a crossover between a tablet and a laptop and combines the best of both worlds | Dec 20 02:27 |
| XFaCE | It's not worse than a netbook in that regard | Dec 20 02:27 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think Apple has standards, unless you call psychotic bipolar dictator control freak a standard | Dec 20 02:28 |
| XFaCE | and no worse than a tablet in that regard | Dec 20 02:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes but | Dec 20 02:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | I hate netbooks | Dec 20 02:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | I had anything less than fullsized keyboards | Dec 20 02:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | *hate | Dec 20 02:28 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Fair enough | Dec 20 02:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously, laptop keyboards? even smaller netbook keyboards? fuck that | Dec 20 02:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | I type 200 wpm | Dec 20 02:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | I crush keyboards with my might. | Dec 20 02:28 |
| *hemimaniac has quit (Client Quit) | Dec 20 02:28 | |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Lol, tough guy | Dec 20 02:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | not tough guy at all | Dec 20 02:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | I usually break WASD. | Dec 20 02:29 |
| *XFaCE is now playing: Genesis - Dance On A Volcano | Dec 20 02:29 | |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously, two keyboards, WASD wore out on both in the past 15 years | Dec 20 02:29 |
| XFaCE | See, I'm not a complete dick :) | Dec 20 02:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | WASD on one, WASD AND spacebar on the other | Dec 20 02:30 |
| XFaCE | Better start doing it right... LET THE DANCE BEGIN. | Dec 20 02:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | its kind of obvious what I do with my time. | Dec 20 02:30 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Rage? | Dec 20 02:30 |
| *scientes (478b0e6b@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.139.14.107) has joined #techrights | Dec 20 02:31 | |
| Diablo-D3 | no, quake | Dec 20 02:31 |
| scientes | scientes: where is the code for the TechrightsBot-tr ? | Dec 20 02:31 |
| scientes | does it do google searches? | Dec 20 02:31 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: ... | Dec 20 02:31 |
| XFaCE | 10 | Dec 20 02:31 |
| *DaemonFC is listening to Tits on the Radio by Scissor Sisters (eponymous) [Amarok] | Dec 20 02:31 | |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 20 02:31 |
| DaemonFC | I need to edit my tags to look less piratey | Dec 20 02:32 |
| scientes | dats annoying too | Dec 20 02:32 |
| scientes | lets make copies of all your cargo | Dec 20 02:32 |
| XFaCE | scientes: you usually come here right? | Dec 20 02:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | it does google searches | Dec 20 02:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | !google scientes is a troll | Dec 20 02:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Home | Troll Scientist | http://www.trollscientist.com/ | Dec 20 02:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Troll Scientists | Free Music, Tour Dates, Photos, Videos | http://www.myspace.com/trollscientists | Dec 20 02:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Troll Scientists - Disco Doctor - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DuYCWoLdapGQ | Dec 20 02:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Calvin's Dad: The Original Troll Scientist | Runt Of The Web | http://runt-of-the-web.com/post/1514224572/calvins-dad-the-original-troll-scientist | Dec 20 02:33 |
| XFaCE | !google "scientes" | Dec 20 02:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - scientes (scientes) on Twitter | http://twitter.com/scientes | Dec 20 02:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - scientes - Wiktionary | http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/scientes | Dec 20 02:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - 'Eritis sicut Deus, scientes bonum et malum': Information from ... | http://www.answers.com/topic/eritis-sicut-deus-scientes-bonum-et-malum | Dec 20 02:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Eristis sicut Deus, Scientes Benum et Malum - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DXduu_CeuL9U | Dec 20 02:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | theres a band called troll scientist?s? | Dec 20 02:33 |
| scientes | XFaCE: yes | Dec 20 02:33 |
| XFaCE | hmm, his twitter checks out | Dec 20 02:34 |
| XFaCE | he's good | Dec 20 02:34 |
| scientes | DaemonFC: or download SXSW music which it totally legit | Dec 20 02:34 |
| scientes | http://torrentfreak.com/sxsw-2009-on-bittorrent-6-gb-of-free-music-090312/ | Dec 20 02:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 20 02:34 |
| *XFaCE gives voice to scientes | Dec 20 02:34 | |
| *XFaCE is now playing: Rush - Dreamline | Dec 20 02:35 | |
| scientes | XFaCE: why? | Dec 20 02:35 |
| XFaCE | scientes: Troll policy. Suspicious behaviour is suspicious. | Dec 20 02:35 |
| scientes | wqhat was suspicious? | Dec 20 02:36 |
| XFaCE | Don't want the channel to be flooded by "THEBEST" | Dec 20 02:36 |
| scientes | web gateway? | Dec 20 02:36 |
| XFaCE | scientes: Your message addressed to yourself | Dec 20 02:36 |
| scientes | oh shit | Dec 20 02:36 |
| XFaCE | scientes: and then asking about the code of TechrightsBot-tr\ | Dec 20 02:36 |
| scientes | schestowitz: where is the code for the TechrightsBot-tr ? | Dec 20 02:36 |
| XFaCE | Kinda weird | Dec 20 02:36 |
| scientes | autocomplete | Dec 20 02:37 |
| XFaCE | doesn't matter | Dec 20 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | When you're walkin' down the street and a man tries to get your business, and the people that you meet want to open you up like Christmas..... | Dec 20 02:37 |
| DaemonFC | *cough* | Dec 20 02:37 |
| XFaCE | !google christmas at ground zero | Dec 20 02:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - "Weird Al" Yankovic - Christmas At Ground Zero - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Dt039p6xqutU | Dec 20 02:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Christmas at Ground Zero - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christmas_at_Ground_Zero | Dec 20 02:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - WEIRD AL YANKOVIC - CHRISTMAS AT GROUND ZERO LYRICS | http://www.sing365.com/music/lyric.nsf/Christmas-At-Ground-Zero-lyrics-Weird-Al-Yankovic/3AF4C0A89D8CA3094825690F0015F746 | Dec 20 02:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Weird Al Yankovic - Christmas At Ground Zero (Official Music Video ... | http://www.metacafe.com/watch/sy-336010677/weird_al_yankovic_christmas_at_ground_zero_official_music_video/ | Dec 20 02:37 |
| scientes | there are tons of quotes in techrights from me | Dec 20 02:37 |
| scientes | go through the logs | Dec 20 02:37 |
| scientes | as well | Dec 20 02:37 |
| XFaCE | scientes: it's cool man | Dec 20 02:37 |
| scientes | i've been here a long time | Dec 20 02:37 |
| *hemimaniac (~Hemi@dsle51.ody.ca) has joined #techrights | Dec 20 02:38 | |
| abeNd-org | hey kids | Dec 20 02:41 |
| XFaCE | abeNd-org: Dada! | Dec 20 02:42 |
| XFaCE | or Mama, I suppose you could be female | Dec 20 02:42 |
| XFaCE | that was uncomforatable | Dec 20 02:43 |
| *XFaCE is now playing: Genesis - Invisible Touch | Dec 20 02:43 | |
| XFaCE | All I have is Genesis, everywhere | Dec 20 02:43 |
| abeNd-org | nah, i even say that to groups of people far older to me | Dec 20 02:44 |
| abeNd-org | im betting with this crowd though I am probably the "elderly" one | Dec 20 02:45 |
| *DaemonFC is listening to Land Of Confusion by Disturbed on Ten Thousand Fists [Tour Edition] [Amarok] | Dec 20 02:46 | |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Dec 20 02:46 |
| XFaCE | Them's fighting words! | Dec 20 02:46 |
| *XFaCE is now playing: Genesis - Land Of Confusion | Dec 20 02:47 | |
| DaemonFC | the original was a dig on Ronald Reagan | Dec 20 02:47 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: It was a dig at a lot of people | Dec 20 02:47 |
| XFaCE | silly | Dec 20 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | trickle up poverty and military industrial complex | Dec 20 02:47 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: They even show the music video at the Canadian War Museum as an example of Cold War music | Dec 20 02:47 |
| XFaCE | The Canadian War Museum being an official, government-funded museum | Dec 20 02:48 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Isn't that awesome? The original music video, puppets sound effect et al | Dec 20 02:49 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: The Distrubed version is simply screaming, pounding dissonance | Dec 20 02:50 |
| XFaCE | on modern compressed cds and digital music files, it sounds even worse | Dec 20 02:50 |
| abeNd-org | both of those versions are great | Dec 20 02:50 |
| XFaCE | abeNd-org: Ah, the middle ground | Dec 20 02:50 |
| abeNd-org | im old enough to know the original version, still hip enough to appreciate the cover | Dec 20 02:51 |
| XFaCE | Funny though that I'm 20, and DaemonFC is in his late 20s and early 30s | Dec 20 02:51 |
| abeNd-org | mid30s here | Dec 20 02:51 |
| XFaCE | yet I prefer the earlier version made before I was born | Dec 20 02:51 |
| XFaCE | though it was on the radio | Dec 20 02:51 |
| XFaCE | I just remember first hearing the the Distrubed version in public school | Dec 20 02:51 |
| XFaCE | even then, 9-10 years old, I could tell that it sucks | Dec 20 02:52 |
| XFaCE | Even then, it made me want to dish out the Genesis versino | Dec 20 02:52 |
| XFaCE | Too bad the internet was in its infancy, so I could do that with the great speed I can | Dec 20 02:52 |
| XFaCE | now | Dec 20 02:52 |
| abeNd-org | heh | Dec 20 02:53 |
| XFaCE | abeNd-org: But since the Genesis version is played in the War Museum, it wins by default. :) | Dec 20 02:54 |
| abeNd-org | sometimes you just need a little angry motivational music, sometimes you actually want to be able to hear the words | Dec 20 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | http://openbenchmarking.org/embed.php?i=1112166-AR-1112153AR03&sha=4e7c238&p=2 | Dec 20 02:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting image/svg+xml type | Dec 20 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | Why I persist in saying Hyperthreading is useless | Dec 20 02:54 |
| XFaCE | bad news | Dec 20 02:54 |
| XFaCE | http://www.redmondpie.com/apple-succeeds-in-getting-htc-android-handsets-banned-in-u.s./ | Dec 20 02:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Apple Succeeds In Getting HTC Android Handsets Banned In U.S. | Redmond Pie .::. Size~: 35.14 KB | Dec 20 02:54 |
| DaemonFC | the 12 cores one is 6 cores when you have hyperthreading on | Dec 20 02:54 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Did you hear about the banning? | Dec 20 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | the 6 physical + 6 logical cores imposes so much overhead, that the performance is about the same as 4 physical cores | Dec 20 02:55 |
| DaemonFC | more Wintel marketing crap | Dec 20 02:55 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: HTC phones have just been BANNED in the US | Dec 20 02:56 |
| XFaCE | BANNED | Dec 20 02:56 |
| XFaCE | in the *US* | Dec 20 02:56 |
| abeNd-org | or the software isnt written to take advantage of it | Dec 20 02:56 |
| abeNd-org | they have until april 19th 2012 | Dec 20 02:56 |
| abeNd-org | besides, google could care less about High Tech Crap, they have motorola | Dec 20 02:57 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Can your old fuddy duudy gov't structure go ahead and die and be reborn now? | Dec 20 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Dec 20 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | we have to ZOMGPROTECTIP!!! | Dec 20 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Dec 20 02:57 |
| XFaCE | PIPA | Dec 20 02:57 |
| XFaCE | SOPA | Dec 20 02:57 |
| abeNd-org | SOPA GOOD! | Dec 20 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | FIRE BAD!!! | Dec 20 02:57 |
| XFaCE | Sounds like a skin wash | Dec 20 02:57 |
| DaemonFC | FIRE BAAAAAAD! | Dec 20 02:57 |
| brendyn | sopathetic teeheehee | Dec 20 02:57 |
| XFaCE | I like my sopa | Dec 20 02:57 |
| abeNd-org | lol | Dec 20 02:57 |
| brendyn | wash your money away with some high tech sopa | Dec 20 02:58 |
| abeNd-org | hey, don't worry, with the bandwidth caps that most ISPs are going to put in place, you couldn't pirate if you wanted to! | Dec 20 02:58 |
| brendyn | hey, i used to torrent on 32KiB/s for years | Dec 20 02:58 |
| brendyn | althought realspeeds were 20 | Dec 20 02:58 |
| abeNd-org | you are talking to the guy who's only alternative for an internet provider is "S.O.L. broadband" so i know slow :( | Dec 20 02:59 |
| XFaCE | abeNd-org: I disagree! | Dec 20 02:59 |
| XFaCE | We've had throttling in Canada for years, hasn't stopped anyone | Dec 20 02:59 |
| XFaCE | Maybe a few lamers, but still | Dec 20 02:59 |
| XFaCE | People get around the throttling | Dec 20 03:00 |
| XFaCE | It's funny, the work arounds sound like anti-Borg attacks | Dec 20 03:00 |
| XFaCE | Like randomizing Ports each startup | Dec 20 03:00 |
| abeNd-org | oh i dont think it will be throttling, i think they will just turn off your access completely | Dec 20 03:00 |
| XFaCE | but the Bell... er sorry... Borg... can adapt (partially) | Dec 20 03:00 |
| brendyn | if we can send packets we can send porn, don't stress | Dec 20 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Version-6-2-of-Oracle-Linux-and-CentOS-arriving-1398105.html | Dec 20 03:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Version 6.2 of Oracle Linux and CentOS arriving - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 39.14 KB | Dec 20 03:01 |
| abeNd-org | "sorry, you have reached your cap, no more internet this month for you" "but its only the 5th & I have a term paper due!" "sorry, don't care, you streamed an entire season of tv legally from netflix" | Dec 20 03:01 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Crappy and not so crap, meh | Dec 20 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | SCOracle Linux is a dog | Dec 20 03:02 |
| XFaCE | abeNd-org: That's harsh, the only thing they do here is charge you more | Dec 20 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | unless you ditch their kernel and use the RHEL compatible one | Dec 20 03:02 |
| XFaCE | infact my ISP is very leniant about going over | Dec 20 03:02 |
| XFaCE | though I haven't actually done so | Dec 20 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | Oracle's kenrel is optimized for their products at a tremendous cost to everything else | Dec 20 03:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] lol! http://ur1.ca/1eecv | Dec 20 03:03 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google Gravity .::. Size~: 205.36 KB | Dec 20 03:03 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @lovenemesis Multitouch comes to majority of #Linux. http://j.mp/vttvhV | Dec 20 03:04 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Google+: real life sharing, rethought for the web. .::. Size~: 39.68 KB | Dec 20 03:04 |
| *XFaCE is now playing: Genesis - Anything She Does | Dec 20 03:04 | |
| abeNd-org | well, this guy has to occupy work early tomorrow, nite | Dec 20 03:05 |
| XFaCE | abeNd-org: Occupy Wall Street? | Dec 20 03:05 |
| XFaCE | :) | Dec 20 03:06 |
| abeNd-org | no sorry, just my own job | Dec 20 03:06 |
| XFaCE | lol | Dec 20 03:08 |
| XFaCE | gn | Dec 20 03:08 |
| *XFaCE gives channel operator status to sebsebseb | Dec 20 03:08 | |
| *abeNd-org has quit (Quit: Leaving.) | Dec 20 03:09 | |
| DaemonFC | http://mirror.ncsa.illinois.edu/centos/6.2/isos/x86_64/ | Dec 20 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 20 03:10 |
| *XFaCE removes voice from DaemonFC | Dec 20 03:10 | |
| XFaCE | wait... | Dec 20 03:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Index of /centos/6.2/isos/x86_64 .::. Size~: 1.55 KB | Dec 20 03:10 |
| XFaCE | centos 6.*2*? | Dec 20 03:11 |
| *XFaCE gives voice to DaemonFC | Dec 20 03:11 | |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Explain | Dec 20 03:11 |
| XFaCE | pls. | Dec 20 03:11 |
| XFaCE | Beta? Alpha? | Dec 20 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | final | Dec 20 03:13 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: how? | Dec 20 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | apparently it is the actual CentOS 6.2 rebuild of RHEL 6.2 | Dec 20 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | and after a delay of only a week | Dec 20 03:13 |
| DaemonFC | wow | Dec 20 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | just, wow | Dec 20 03:14 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: How can they go from a year delay to a week delay? | Dec 20 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | fuck if I know | Dec 20 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | but there it is | Dec 20 03:14 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Is it real? | Dec 20 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Dec 20 03:14 |
| XFaCE | Have you tested? | Dec 20 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | signed and on the main CentOS server | Dec 20 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | no, I have not booted it yet | Dec 20 03:14 |
| DaemonFC | I'll get the Live CD when the server loads go down | Dec 20 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | no point downloading it at dial up speed | Dec 20 03:15 |
| XFaCE | lol dial-up | Dec 20 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | seriously, it's what you get when the server is being slammed | Dec 20 03:15 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: How do you know it;s final? | Dec 20 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | it's like the download day equivalent of Black Friday at Walmart | Dec 20 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | because the developers tweeted about it | Dec 20 03:16 |
| XFaCE | ugh, that was the most pitiful, embarrassing thing | Dec 20 03:16 |
| XFaCE | I've seen in awhile | Dec 20 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | https://twitter.com/#!/CentOS/status/148492003909443584 | Dec 20 03:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @CentOS: Update on CentOS-6.2, a few more machines need to sync up before were ready to open it up to external mirrors. | Dec 20 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | sweet | Dec 20 03:17 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Would you recommend CentOS? | Dec 20 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | I have never managed to crash a RHEL-based system | Dec 20 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | or Scientific Linux or CentOS clones | Dec 20 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | if that can be considered an endorsement | Dec 20 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | I read the RHEL 6.2 release notes the other day | Dec 20 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | exciting | Dec 20 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | which is rare | Dec 20 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | they have backported Mesa 7.11, as well as the newest ddx video card drivers | Dec 20 03:18 |
| XFaCE | it uses the 32 kernel though, seems pretty old | Dec 20 03:18 |
| DaemonFC | and the drm from Linux 3.1 | Dec 20 03:18 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: So how well do you think it would support modern Intel GMAs? | Dec 20 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | XFaCE: That says 2.6.32, but it's not 2.6.32 | Dec 20 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | they have backports from every kernel release up to what will be 3.2 in there | Dec 20 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | they wait until a feature is proven stable then rip it out of mainline and backport it | Dec 20 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | including, in 6.2, the delayed logging, scalability, and other improvements to the XFS file system driver | Dec 20 03:20 |
| DaemonFC | [22:18] <XFaCE> DaemonFC: So how well do you think it would support modern Intel GMAs? | Dec 20 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | roughly the level of video card support that Fedora 15 would have right now with all updates applied | Dec 20 03:21 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: nice | Dec 20 03:21 |
| XFaCE | Verrry tempting | Dec 20 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | It also backports a lot of bug fixes and stability improvements to the rest of the system | Dec 20 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | including their GNOME 2.28-based desktop and GTK | Dec 20 03:22 |
| XFaCE | well GNOME I could care less about | Dec 20 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | it also brings a series of bug fixes to their KDE 4.4.4-based desktop | Dec 20 03:22 |
| XFaCE | Apparently you can install XFCE 4.8 with a Fedora repo? | Dec 20 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | XFCE is fully supported on enterprise Linux through the Fedora EPEL project | Dec 20 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | latest versions of all components | Dec 20 03:23 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Starting to sound like a salesman. :) | Dec 20 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | obviously the official thing to do is take the GNOME desktop, but you can avoid installing GNOME in the first place | Dec 20 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | get the net installer, add the XFCE repo from EPEL to Anaconda, and select the XFCE desktop and all the software ytou want | Dec 20 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | then you would be running Enterprise Linux 6.2 with only XFCE | Dec 20 03:24 |
| DaemonFC | there's obviously a demand for XFCE | Dec 20 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | but Red Hat isn't interested in making it official | Dec 20 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | so Fedora EPEL provides it | Dec 20 03:25 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: One downside though, no rolling release | Dec 20 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | I can understand why Red Hat wants to dedeplicate the stack of software they have to support | Dec 20 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | but there's no reason you can't run XFCE | Dec 20 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | *deduplicate | Dec 20 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, there's updates | Dec 20 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | a repo of updates that are pulled from upstream tagged to go into the next RHEL release | Dec 20 03:27 |
| XFaCE | but don't you have to reinstall more often? | Dec 20 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | no | Dec 20 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | all you have to do is remove the 6.2 repos and add the 6.3 ones | Dec 20 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | and then run an update from yum | Dec 20 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | when the time comes | Dec 20 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | when RHEL 7 is out you probably want a clean install anyway | Dec 20 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | 6.x will be supported until Fall of 2017 | Dec 20 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | so 6 years before you need to reinstall everything is a good run | Dec 20 03:28 |
| XFaCE | [22:27] <DaemonFC> when RHEL 7 is out you probably want a clean install anyway | Dec 20 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | after 7 is out, they will still have a few releases of 6 left | Dec 20 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | they will likely go up to 6.9 | Dec 20 03:29 |
| XFaCE | But with say, Debian or Arch, I dont' have to worry about future releases at all | Dec 20 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | they release a major update to the current release series every 6 months | Dec 20 03:29 |
| XFaCE | even if I used Debian Stable, which tends to be release biased | Dec 20 03:29 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: who? | Dec 20 03:29 |
| DaemonFC | so RHEL 6.3 will be out next summer | Dec 20 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | Red Hat | Dec 20 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | predictable releases | Dec 20 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | frozen ABI | Dec 20 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | long term support | Dec 20 03:30 |
| DaemonFC | businesses love that | Dec 20 03:30 |
| XFaCE | Debian has that too | Dec 20 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | also, the officially supported AMD packages for Catalyst install and run on the clones | Dec 20 03:31 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Help us fight nearly a dozen legal cases: WikiLeaks legal defense fund needs you http://t.co/xARlyRWP https://t.co/OrcGw137 | Dec 20 03:31 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 20 03:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 20 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | AMD officially supports RHEL | Dec 20 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | they maintain the packages themselves | Dec 20 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | and do regression testing against RHEL | Dec 20 03:31 |
| DaemonFC | RHEL is pretty much the only platform they have that level of support for in Catalyst, so you won't run into regressions as long as you use RHEL or a RHEL clone | Dec 20 03:32 |
| DaemonFC | they also certify applications against Catalyst, but only guarantee those applications work if you use Catalyst on RHEL | Dec 20 03:33 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Err, I don't have AMD | Dec 20 03:33 |
| XFaCE | Does Intel officially support it? | Dec 20 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | yes | Dec 20 03:33 |
| DaemonFC | don't use PowerVR with it | Dec 20 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | and it will work out of the box | Dec 20 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 20 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | most Radeons have immediate support in open source with 6.2 | Dec 20 03:34 |
| DaemonFC | the only reason you'd want Catalyst for a Radeon in RHEL 6.2 is for the superior OpenGL support | Dec 20 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | the hardware will work fine as a workstation system either way | Dec 20 03:35 |
| XFaCE | [22:33] <DaemonFC> yes | Dec 20 03:35 |
| XFaCE | [22:33] <DaemonFC> don't use PowerVR with it | Dec 20 03:35 |
| XFaCE | [22:33] <DaemonFC> and it will work out of the box | Dec 20 03:35 |
| XFaCE | [22:33] <DaemonFC> :) | Dec 20 03:35 |
| XFaCE | yeah, what does this mean? | Dec 20 03:35 |
| DaemonFC | I'd probably use enterprise Linux on my main system if they backported new versions of KDE to it | Dec 20 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | it's basically the only reason I don't | Dec 20 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | PowerVR-based Intel GMAs are not supported with open source drivers, anywhere, at all | Dec 20 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | the proprietary blob from Intel would work on RHEL, but only the 32-bit version of RHEL | Dec 20 03:36 |
| DaemonFC | and the 32-bit RHEL 6.x does not support 32-bit x86 CPUs without PAE and NX support | Dec 20 03:37 |
| XFaCE | what intel proprietary blob? The GMA doesn't have/need one | Dec 20 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | so I'm not sure that it would boot on an Atom | Dec 20 03:37 |
| DaemonFC | ye, they have a proprietary blob for the GMA 500 | Dec 20 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | no open source support | Dec 20 03:38 |
| XFaCE | I don't have that, just an GMA HD via Intel I3 | Dec 20 03:38 |
| XFaCE | first generationi | Dec 20 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | that would work | Dec 20 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | the GMA 500 is the scandalous one with terrible Linux support | Dec 20 03:38 |
| XFaCE | 64-bit? | Dec 20 03:38 |
| DaemonFC | I think the rest work fine | Dec 20 03:38 |
| XFaCE | GMA HD and 64-bit? | Dec 20 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | SUPPORTED HARDWARE | Dec 20 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | intel supports the i810, i810-DC100, i810e, i815, i830M, 845G, 852GM, 855GM, 865G, 915G, 915GM, 945G, 945GM, 965G, 965Q, 946GZ, 965GM, 945GME, G33, | Dec 20 03:39 |
| DaemonFC | Q33, Q35, G35, GM45, G45, Q45, G43, G41 chipsets, and Pineview-M in Atom N400 series, Pineview-D in Atom D400/D500 series. | Dec 20 03:39 |
| *XFaCE ** WinSys ** Client: XChat-WDK 1498-4 (x86) ** OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional ** CPU: Intel(R) Core(TM) i3 CPU M 350 @ 2.27GHz (2.00 GHz) ** RAM: 3501 MB Total (1005 MB Free) ** VGA: Intel(R) HD Graphics ** Uptime: 125.12 Hours ** | Dec 20 03:39 | |
| DaemonFC | what type of motherboard? | Dec 20 03:40 |
| XFaCE | well that told shit all | Dec 20 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | the only board I have of theirs is a G33 | Dec 20 03:40 |
| XFaCE | also 125.12 hours on a laptop can't be good | Dec 20 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | Vista7? | Dec 20 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 20 03:40 |
| XFaCE | ugh yes | Dec 20 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | Sysinfo for 'ryan-MS-7501': Linux 3.2.0-5-generic running KDE Development Platform 4.7.4 (4.7.4), CPU: AMDPhenomIIX4945 at 800 MHz (5987 bogomips), HD: 14/923GB, RAM: 3089/7986MB, 183 proc's, 3.0h up | Dec 20 03:40 |
| XFaCE | I didn't buy it separately | Dec 20 03:40 |
| XFaCE | should have requested a refund | Dec 20 03:40 |
| DaemonFC | it is Linux 3.2-rc6 | Dec 20 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | today's Mesa 7.12-dev build | Dec 20 03:41 |
| XFaCE | fancy | Dec 20 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | KDE 4.7.4 | Dec 20 03:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] The great war over Assange (video) | John Pilger http://t.co/cpu0yaHb more: http://t.co/h3BcA4pC | Dec 20 03:41 | |
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| XFaCE | I'm actually fancying trinity of late | Dec 20 03:41 |
| DaemonFC | they've broken it too badly for me to be interested | Dec 20 03:42 |
| XFaCE | I just have such pleasant memories of Kubuntu 7.04 | Dec 20 03:42 |
| XFaCE | KDE 3 was nice | Dec 20 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | that TQ crap is just fucking stupid | Dec 20 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 20 03:42 |
| XFaCE | TQ? | Dec 20 03:42 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, they changed the namespaces for Qt3 and implemented an abstraction layer over it which maps to Qt3 and runs (albeit poorly) on Qt4 | Dec 20 03:42 |
| XFaCE | time for a winter song /winamp | Dec 20 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | it breaks binary and source compatibility with KDE 3.5.10 | Dec 20 03:43 |
| *XFaCE is now playing: Genesis - Snowbound | Dec 20 03:43 | |
| DaemonFC | completely breaks it | Dec 20 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | trashes it | Dec 20 03:43 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: That's a shame | Dec 20 03:43 |
| XFaCE | too bad one can't easily transfer the opensuse KDE 3 packages to other distros | Dec 20 03:43 |
| DaemonFC | I asked a OpenSuse developer why they are using KDE 3.5.10 with hundreds of patches | Dec 20 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | and not Trinity | Dec 20 03:44 |
| XFaCE | the only good thing about opensuse left as far as I can see | Dec 20 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | and that's part of the answer I got | Dec 20 03:44 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Well, in that case, maybe Trinity isn't so bad | Dec 20 03:44 |
| XFaCE | :) | Dec 20 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | well, it's also Fedora-KDE's answer to why KDE 3 will never be packaged by them again | Dec 20 03:44 |
| DaemonFC | and why Trinity won't either | Dec 20 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | no distribution with quality standards will ship Trinity | Dec 20 03:45 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 20 03:45 |
| XFaCE | oh | Dec 20 03:46 |
| XFaCE | dammit | Dec 20 03:46 |
| XFaCE | I hope they fix it soon | Dec 20 03:46 |
| DaemonFC | it would be nice if they drop TQ entirely | Dec 20 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | and start porting to Qt 4 | Dec 20 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | they could use the qt3support classes to aide in the port | Dec 20 03:47 |
| DaemonFC | and remove their dependencies on them at their own pace | Dec 20 03:48 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] !sr UID 590414 | Dec 20 03:48 | |
| DaemonFC | it would be a lot less work | Dec 20 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | they could drop a lot of patchsets against a toolkit with no upstream | Dec 20 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | and it would have many many fewer bugs | Dec 20 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | I don't trust Trinity | Dec 20 03:48 |
| DaemonFC | I was excited until I started learning more about it | Dec 20 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | the other option would be to port the features they liked about KDE 3 to KDE 4 as plasma applets | Dec 20 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | that would be a very small fraction of the work | Dec 20 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | and totally compatible with KDE 4 | Dec 20 03:49 |
| DaemonFC | Trinity is more of a zombie than a resurrection | Dec 20 03:50 |
| DaemonFC | GTK 3.3.6 is out | Dec 20 03:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] RT @m_cetera: This holidays don't let governments fuck you while your back is turned. #freebrad #SOPA #NDAA #ows https://t.co/xWcS5ckQ | Dec 20 03:51 | |
| DaemonFC | http://mail.gnome.org/archives/gnome-announce-list/2011-December/msg00018.html | Dec 20 03:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 20 03:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: GTK+ 3.3.6 .::. Size~: 6.22 KB | Dec 20 03:51 |
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| DaemonFC | hmmm, mesa improves more every day than Catalyst does in a month | Dec 20 03:53 |
| DaemonFC | what made me laugh when I read the output of glxinfo on Catalyst was that they are exporting WGL extensions on X11/Linux | Dec 20 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | WGL is what hooks up OpenGL to the display server on Windows | Dec 20 03:55 |
| XFaCE | why bother? | Dec 20 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | because their OpenGL driver is identical on Windows and Linux | Dec 20 03:58 |
| DaemonFC | they just pull whatever the current release is and pair it with fglrx | Dec 20 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | their ddx component uses dri1 | Dec 20 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | complete with memory management problems, broken composite, SAREA complexities | Dec 20 03:59 |
| DaemonFC | and setting hardware modes from userspace | Dec 20 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | they have their own userspace to kernel bridge so that they can do things like interrupt requests | Dec 20 04:00 |
| DaemonFC | it's a tinderbox | Dec 20 04:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] MT @JLLLOW: Via the #WikiLeaks case it is clear that Washington sees all independent journalists as 'enemy combatants' https://t.co/xWcS5ckQ | Dec 20 04:03 | |
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| DaemonFC | XFaCE: That's why they can only give decent support the RHEL | Dec 20 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | it's easier to make sure their tinderbox doesn't go up in flames with they don't have to juggle major platform updates | Dec 20 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | *the RHEL users | Dec 20 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | *when they | Dec 20 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | Dec 20 04:06 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] !sr makukuda UID 590417 Another autoposter | Dec 20 04:11 | |
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| beenz | DaemonFC - RHEL is nice | Dec 20 04:16 |
| DaemonFC | I wasn't saying RHEL is a tinderbox | Dec 20 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | I meant Catalyst is | Dec 20 04:17 |
| beenz | yes of course | Dec 20 04:17 |
| beenz | I was agreeing with you that RHEL is good stuff | Dec 20 04:17 |
| DaemonFC | it just works better on RHEL because RHEL isn't a moving target | Dec 20 04:17 |
| beenz | I was testing debian the other day and it sucks | Dec 20 04:18 |
| beenz | it was fast, but nothing worked very well | Dec 20 04:18 |
| DaemonFC | I need to port I Hate The Cashew to Kubuntu | Dec 20 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | that New Activity thing still manages to make an eyesore out of itself | Dec 20 04:20 |
| DaemonFC | and even bigger one than the cashew | Dec 20 04:20 |
| beenz | im using gnome 2.x still | Dec 20 04:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ghostler/@ghostler] Went back to #Linux #Ubuntu 10.04 LTS. Tried 11.10, but I didn't like Unity, changed to Gnome but menu wierd; best Unity was Netbook Remix. | Dec 20 04:23 | |
| XFaCE | beenz: Diablo-D3 has some pretty good Debian experience. | Dec 20 04:39 |
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| beenz | he might like debian but for me it sucks | Dec 20 04:42 |
| XFaCE | beenz: How did you install it? | Dec 20 04:42 |
| beenz | net install | Dec 20 04:43 |
| XFaCE | beenz: When did it go wrong? | Dec 20 04:43 |
| XFaCE | And where? | Dec 20 04:43 |
| beenz | it worked fine | Dec 20 04:43 |
| beenz | i just dont like it | Dec 20 04:43 |
| XFaCE | Anything in particular? | Dec 20 04:43 |
| beenz | apt get sucks, stable has old packages and unstable doesnt get priority security fixes | Dec 20 04:44 |
| XFaCE | beenz: unstable gets security fixes as a result of being the latest software | Dec 20 04:44 |
| XFaCE | it's a false problem | Dec 20 04:45 |
| beenz | not guaranteed | Dec 20 04:45 |
| beenz | you obviously missed the debian memo | Dec 20 04:45 |
| XFaCE | beenz: let's say 99% | Dec 20 04:45 |
| beenz | :) | Dec 20 04:45 |
| XFaCE | beenz: Diablo-D3's been using it for over 10 years, and he knows. :) | Dec 20 04:45 |
| XFaCE | beenz: Also, do you run Debian as a rolling release? | Dec 20 04:45 |
| beenz | i've been using redhat products for over 10 years | Dec 20 04:45 |
| beenz | i'd rather not | Dec 20 04:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | erm, has redhat even existed for ten years? | Dec 20 04:46 |
| beenz | lol diablo | Dec 20 04:46 |
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| XFaCE | Founded 1993, so yea | Dec 20 04:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | seriously, I remember when redhat put their first distro out | Dec 20 04:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | I was like, lol, debian > redhat | Dec 20 04:46 |
| beenz | im going to have to say the best distro is the one you're most comfortable with | Dec 20 04:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | technically yes | Dec 20 04:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | but theres someone out there thats going to say they're most comfortable with gentoo | Dec 20 04:47 |
| Diablo-D3 | those kind we toss out the airlock | Dec 20 04:48 |
| beenz | lol | Dec 20 04:48 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Gentoo attracts a special type of GNU+Linux user | Dec 20 04:48 |
| beenz | there is nothing wrong with gentoo | Dec 20 04:48 |
| XFaCE | who has way too much time | Dec 20 04:48 |
| Diablo-D3 | funroll loops. | Dec 20 04:48 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: One guy I know actually overheated and destroyed his wireless card as a result of improper Gentoo config | Dec 20 04:49 |
| XFaCE | I rest my case | Dec 20 04:49 |
| beenz | that's gentoo's fault? | Dec 20 04:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: ... | Dec 20 04:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | _wow_. | Dec 20 04:49 |
| beenz | or the dumbasses? | Dec 20 04:49 |
| XFaCE | beenz: both prob :P | Dec 20 04:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | protip: this is why you do not overclock your wifi. | Dec 20 04:49 |
| beenz | LOL | Dec 20 04:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | "Red Hat Linux 1.0 was released on November 3, 1994." | Dec 20 04:49 |
| Diablo-D3 | jesus I feel old | Dec 20 04:50 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Being less knowledgeable about GNU+Linux at the time, I actually thought that was a serious problem | Dec 20 04:50 |
| brendyn | just after i was release ;x | Dec 20 04:50 |
| beenz | I had to deal with this one punk at my store who fried 3 usb cards because of his idiotic overclocking | Dec 20 04:50 |
| XFaCE | Lol | Dec 20 04:50 |
| Diablo-D3 | you can overclock usb cards?! | Dec 20 04:50 |
| beenz | the pci bus | Dec 20 04:50 |
| beenz | BOOM! | Dec 20 04:50 |
| *Diablo-D3 looks at his usb3 ports, has bad ideas | Dec 20 04:50 | |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Dont' be silly | Dec 20 04:50 |
| beenz | usb pci cards | Dec 20 04:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | okay so, slink came out in 1999 | Dec 20 04:51 |
| beenz | overclocked his pci bus to bypass the locked multipliers | Dec 20 04:51 |
| XFaCE | beenz: So anyway, Debian has a lot of cool advantages, like rolling release. I find the idea of almost never reinstalling (save the occasional HW failure or personal fuckup) appealing | Dec 20 04:51 |
| beenz | or some dumb shit like that | Dec 20 04:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | Ive been using debian for almost 13 years. | Dec 20 04:51 |
| Diablo-D3 | wow. | Dec 20 04:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | I am old :< | Dec 20 04:52 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Lol, your so old, you don't know how old Red Hat is :S | Dec 20 04:52 |
| XFaCE | Memory's startin to go? | Dec 20 04:52 |
| XFaCE | j/k | Dec 20 04:52 |
| XFaCE | :) | Dec 20 04:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | XFaCE: apparently | Dec 20 04:52 |
| beenz | anyone running slackware? | Dec 20 04:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | it seems far less time than that | Dec 20 04:53 |
| XFaCE | beenz: I tried Salix once, meh | Dec 20 04:53 |
| XFaCE | and Salix isn't that far removed from Slackware | Dec 20 04:53 |
| beenz | no i mean *slackware* | Dec 20 04:53 |
| beenz | the man's os | Dec 20 04:53 |
| XFaCE | Salix~Slackware | Dec 20 04:54 |
| XFaCE | Salix is Slackware | Dec 20 04:54 |
| beenz | no | Dec 20 04:54 |
| XFaCE | more or less | Dec 20 04:54 |
| XFaCE | just a bit more user-friendly | Dec 20 04:54 |
| beenz | its a pussified slackware | Dec 20 04:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats like saying uh | Dec 20 04:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | shit | Dec 20 04:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | whats that sid-based distro? | Dec 20 04:54 |
| XFaCE | lol | Dec 20 04:54 |
| XFaCE | aptosid | Dec 20 04:54 |
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| Diablo-D3 | no the other one | Dec 20 04:54 |
| XFaCE | uhh | Dec 20 04:54 |
| XFaCE | aptosid | Dec 20 04:54 |
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| XFaCE | unless you want to say Ubuntu | Dec 20 04:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | NO THE OTHER ONE | Dec 20 04:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | sidux | Dec 20 04:54 |
| XFaCE | sidux is aptosid | Dec 20 04:55 |
| XFaCE | it's a name change | Dec 20 04:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | oh it changed names? | Dec 20 04:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | heh | Dec 20 04:55 |
| XFaCE | yeah | Dec 20 04:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | still, its like saying that is debian | Dec 20 04:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not | Dec 20 04:55 |
| XFaCE | the devs look a little volatile | Dec 20 04:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | and I will punch you in the dick for claiming it is | Dec 20 04:55 |
| beenz | NO THE OTHER OTHER APTOSID | Dec 20 04:55 |
| beenz | lol | Dec 20 04:55 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: It's Debian with eccentric crap | Dec 20 04:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | its like ubuntu for ricers | Dec 20 04:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | its gay | Dec 20 04:55 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: But it's more Debian than Dreamlinux, or Mepic | Dec 20 04:55 |
| XFaCE | mepis | Dec 20 04:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | dear lord | Dec 20 04:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | new rule | Dec 20 04:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | we only talk about the 5 largest distros | Dec 20 04:56 |
| Diablo-D3 | all others dont exist | Dec 20 04:56 |
| beenz | lol | Dec 20 04:56 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: That's silly | Dec 20 04:56 |
| beenz | rule 2, if you do think other distros exist its called 'mental illness' | Dec 20 04:56 |
| XFaCE | Mepis, Puppy, Kanotix | Dec 20 04:56 |
| XFaCE | Knoppix | Dec 20 04:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | and ubuntu is not linux | Dec 20 04:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | thus we dont talk about it | Dec 20 04:57 |
| XFaCE | Diablo-D3: Can handle that | Dec 20 04:57 |
| XFaCE | I used Xubuntu for years on a dell shittop, but meh | Dec 20 04:57 |
| beenz | ubuntu is linux for human beings, which is an oxymoron. human beings dont use linux. therefor its not. | Dec 20 04:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | beenz: ex...ac... wait what? | Dec 20 04:58 |
| beenz | if you can figure it out you win giving a punch to the nuts of an ubuntu user | Dec 20 04:59 |
| beenz | if they aren't sold on the ubuntu software store | Dec 20 04:59 |
| XFaCE | beenz: At least it's not called an app store | Dec 20 05:00 |
| beenz | ie, human beings aren't good enough for linux - you have to be a god | Dec 20 05:00 |
| Diablo-D3 | software store? oh, is that like apt-get? | Dec 20 05:01 |
| *Diablo-D3 runs | Dec 20 05:01 | |
| *XFaCE shoot Diablo-D3 | Dec 20 05:01 | |
| beenz | its like apt-get being pimped out as a prostitute for some dirty pimp | Dec 20 05:01 |
| XFaCE | oh wait, I don't have a gun | Dec 20 05:01 |
| XFaCE | I shot you with a super soaker | Dec 20 05:02 |
| XFaCE | beenz: Synaptic is the farthest it has to | Dec 20 05:02 |
| XFaCE | go | Dec 20 05:02 |
| XFaCE | Go farther than that and you get bloated crap | Dec 20 05:02 |
| beenz | its all bloated | Dec 20 05:03 |
| beenz | what more do you need than 'apt-get' or 'yum' | Dec 20 05:03 |
| XFaCE | Unfortunately, most reviewers I've seen pine for the ratings and other candy of the store model | Dec 20 05:03 |
| XFaCE | beenz: Well, a GUI I can get | Dec 20 05:03 |
| XFaCE | GUI frontends aren't a bad thing | Dec 20 05:03 |
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| XFaCE | typing shit gets tiring | Dec 20 05:03 |
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| beenz | real men command their computer using esoteric incantations via CLI | Dec 20 05:04 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Stop quitting yourself | Dec 20 05:04 |
| beenz | women point and click | Dec 20 05:04 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 20 05:05 |
| XFaCE | beenz: Real men as in weak nerds who are often fat? | Dec 20 05:05 |
| XFaCE | :) | Dec 20 05:05 |
| XFaCE | "real men" would probably smash the computer when faced with annoyance | Dec 20 05:05 |
| beenz | look at reiser | Dec 20 05:05 |
| beenz | hes not a weak nerd | Dec 20 05:06 |
| XFaCE | beenz: How about no? | Dec 20 05:06 |
| beenz | he murders people | Dec 20 05:06 |
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| XFaCE | OK. new topic | Dec 20 05:06 |
| XFaCE | beenz: Synaptic I think is an example of a GUI done well | Dec 20 05:06 |
| beenz | I know someone who could kill you using a vim keyboard shortcut | Dec 20 05:07 |
| XFaCE | beenz: Yeah well ok | Dec 20 05:07 |
| beenz | or | Dec 20 05:07 |
| XFaCE | I'm not alien to the CL btw | Dec 20 05:07 |
| XFaCE | I've used it a lot | Dec 20 05:07 |
| beenz | an emacs module, a perl script and a badly written C++ looping program | Dec 20 05:07 |
| XFaCE | and when the GUI is acting up, I find pulling away the layers so to speak via the CL works well | Dec 20 05:07 |
| brendyn | Real men wield axes https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Lumberjack | Dec 20 05:08 |
| XFaCE | I come from a DOS background, so bash was not alien at all | Dec 20 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 403 Forbidden | Dec 20 05:08 |
| beenz | you're alien enough to be speaking foreign tounge | Dec 20 05:08 |
| beenz | it's CLI | Dec 20 05:08 |
| XFaCE | !google monty python lumberjack | Dec 20 05:08 |
| beenz | not CL | Dec 20 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Monty Python - Lumberjack Song - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DxToPCaNxaow | Dec 20 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Lumberjack Song - Monty Python - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DmL7n5mEmXJo | Dec 20 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - The Lumberjack Song - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lumberjack_Song | Dec 20 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - MONTY PYTHON - LUMBERJACK SONG LYRICS | http://www.metrolyrics.com/lumberjack-song-lyrics-monty-python.html | Dec 20 05:08 |
| beenz | xface, do you shower in vodka? | Dec 20 05:08 |
| XFaCE | I've never had vodka | Dec 20 05:09 |
| *beenz rests his case | Dec 20 05:09 | |
| XFaCE | I only drink beer and wine alcohol wise | Dec 20 05:09 |
| XFaCE | good, refreshing CANADIAN beer | Dec 20 05:09 |
| beenz | what canadian beer | Dec 20 05:09 |
| XFaCE | unlike that wusey piss you Americans call beer | Dec 20 05:09 |
| beenz | we bought them all | Dec 20 05:09 |
| XFaCE | beenz: Still brewed here mostly | Dec 20 05:10 |
| beenz | with our recipe | Dec 20 05:10 |
| XFaCE | beenz: There's plenty | Dec 20 05:10 |
| XFaCE | Mill Street | Dec 20 05:10 |
| XFaCE | Cameron's | Dec 20 05:10 |
| XFaCE | Alexander Keith's | Dec 20 05:10 |
| XFaCE | Sleema's | Dec 20 05:10 |
| XFaCE | *Sleeman's | Dec 20 05:10 |
| DaemonFC | http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde3/2011-12/msg00028.html | Dec 20 05:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Re: [opensuse-kde3] Trinity and OpenSuse KDE3? .::. Size~: 8.54 KB | Dec 20 05:10 |
| XFaCE | Rickard's Red (technically Molson, but still quite independent) | Dec 20 05:11 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Dude, that conversation was an hour ago, why are linking that now? | Dec 20 05:11 |
| beenz | he seems to enjoy floggings | Dec 20 05:11 |
| DaemonFC | you know who really needs a war museum? The French. | Dec 20 05:13 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: lol | Dec 20 05:14 |
| XFaCE | BTW | Dec 20 05:14 |
| XFaCE | My Intel board uses a Havendale/Clarkdale Host Bridge | Dec 20 05:14 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: with an HM55 Southbridge | Dec 20 05:15 |
| XFaCE | Arrandale processor | Dec 20 05:15 |
| XFaCE | Socket 989 rPGA | Dec 20 05:15 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: So how well does that match up with centos? | Dec 20 05:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socket_G1 | Dec 20 05:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Socket G1 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 35.6 KB | Dec 20 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_HD_Graphics | Dec 20 05:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Intel HD Graphics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 70.49 KB | Dec 20 05:17 |
| DaemonFC | seems to be an Ironlake | Dec 20 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | it would work | Dec 20 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | it would work a lot better with SNA | Dec 20 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | which I don't know if anyone is using that yet | Dec 20 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAyOTE | Dec 20 05:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [Phoronix] Intel SNA Acceleration Performance On Ironlake .::. Size~: 20.9 KB | Dec 20 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | Xorg Edgers disabled SNA for now because it causes problems with Unity | Dec 20 05:20 |
| XFaCE | can it be renabled? | Dec 20 05:27 |
| XFaCE | also | Dec 20 05:28 |
| XFaCE | http://encyclopediadramatica.ch/File:GoodnightKramer.png | Dec 20 05:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: File:GoodnightKramer.png - Encyclopedia Dramatica .::. Size~: 19.96 KB | Dec 20 05:28 |
| DaemonFC | SNA is a compile time option for the X11 2d part of their driver | Dec 20 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | it makes their UXA 2d acceleration faster | Dec 20 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | it shouldn't affect 3d acceleration at all | Dec 20 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | but since XRender is what xfwm4's compositor uses, it runs on EXA or UXA | Dec 20 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | so SNA might lead to a huge performance improvement there | Dec 20 05:31 |
| XFaCE | how hard is it to do? | Dec 20 05:31 |
| DaemonFC | well, you would need to compile mesa yourself | Dec 20 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | then point everything to the version of Mesa you built | Dec 20 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | you can do that through environment variables | Dec 20 05:33 |
| XFaCE | sounds time consuming | Dec 20 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Dec 20 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 20 05:33 |
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| DaemonFC | the earliest you're likely to see SNA by default is MAYBE Ubuntu 12.04 and MAYBE Fedora 17 | Dec 20 05:34 |
| XFaCE | I'll wait then | Dec 20 05:38 |
| DaemonFC | http://distrowatch.com/table.php?distribution=redhat | Dec 20 05:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: DistroWatch.com: Red Hat Enterprise Linux .::. Size~: 80.54 KB | Dec 20 05:39 |
| XFaCE | It sounds like other DEs don't use EXA or UXA? | Dec 20 05:39 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: yes, your point here? | Dec 20 05:39 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EXA | Dec 20 05:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: EXA - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 26.53 KB | Dec 20 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UXA | Dec 20 05:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.0 403 Forbidden | Dec 20 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | UXA is a fork of EXA by Intel | Dec 20 05:40 |
| XFaCE | ah | Dec 20 05:41 |
| XFaCE | well, I must be getting to sleep now | Dec 20 05:43 |
| XFaCE | very fruitful conversation all, a pleasure talking toyou | Dec 20 05:43 |
| XFaCE | see yall later | Dec 20 05:44 |
| XFaCE | gn | Dec 20 05:44 |
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| DaemonFC | be fruity and multiply | Dec 20 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | live long and prosper | Dec 20 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | he was so......HUMAN! | Dec 20 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 20 05:52 |
| DaemonFC | KHAAAAAN!!!! | Dec 20 05:52 |
| Diablo-D3 | [12:38:33] <XFaCE> It sounds like other DEs don't use EXA or UXA? | Dec 20 06:13 |
| Diablo-D3 | you're at the wrong layer there | Dec 20 06:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | exa and uxa are apis so the driver can accelerate X apis | Dec 20 06:15 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u0EiI2eHnP0 | Dec 20 06:43 |
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| DaemonFC | I updated Wikipedia | Dec 20 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | for the CentOS 6.2 release | Dec 20 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | I booted the Live CD | Dec 20 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | they updated the X.org Server to 1.10.4 | Dec 20 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | and Mesa to 7.11 | Dec 20 08:06 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1065384 "I love this game (at least the first one). Their sense of humor is right up my alley (and possibly poking through my eyes...)" | Dec 20 08:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 20 08:36 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1065070 "It "cleans" the user interface of all that unnecessary clutter... like native pplications, other web browsers, the ability to see what's under the hood, 3d games...." | Dec 20 08:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 20 08:38 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1066900 "A friend of mine likes to use Puppylinux on our school's laptops. There's some command-work in the beginning, if I'm not mistaken? I need a distro for a total noob who just wants to manage his business on it." | Dec 20 08:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 20 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | anyone who recommends Ubuntu with Unity is playing a practical joke | Dec 20 08:46 |
| schestowitz | Just discovered some new plasma-desktop themes and a feature whereby wallpapers are chosen to fit current weather conditions. | Dec 20 08:48 |
| schestowitz | ij kDE | Dec 20 08:48 |
| DaemonFC | Seamonkey 2.6 final is released | Dec 20 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | not announced | Dec 20 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | ftp://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.org/seamonkey/releases/2.6/ | Dec 20 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | x86-64 Linux is in the contrib directory | Dec 20 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | this must be release your software unannounced day | Dec 20 08:57 |
| DaemonFC | first CentOS 6.2 and now this | Dec 20 08:58 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: CentOS 6.2 only lagged 12 days behind Red Hat this time | Dec 20 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | which is a record | Dec 20 09:03 |
| DaemonFC | normally you're waiting anywhere between 3-6 months | Dec 20 09:03 |
| schestowitz | identica is down for the count | Dec 20 09:04 |
| schestowitz | DB error | Dec 20 09:04 |
| DaemonFC | CentOS 6.2 looks good to me, I only poked around on the Live CD so far | Dec 20 09:04 |
| DaemonFC | very fast | Dec 20 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | that struck me immediately | Dec 20 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | way faster than I recall 6.0 being | Dec 20 09:05 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I used the Shadowed theme | Dec 20 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | very easy on the eyes | Dec 20 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | just the right amount of translucency | Dec 20 09:10 |
| DaemonFC | RHEL would be a perfect desktop if someone backported new versions of KDE to it | Dec 20 09:12 |
| DaemonFC | Build identifier: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:9.0) Gecko/20111219 Firefox/9.0 SeaMonkey/2.6 | Dec 20 09:14 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Dec 20 09:14 |
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| schestowitz | "Nice find. I've worked at a school that got Gates money and it was a mess. Want to know where all that shiny money ended up? Buying PC's so kids would grow up using M$ products. In a sense I think Gates is sincere in wanting to help education, but to him, education is about job training: produce kids able to work for M$, which has the added benefit of driving down the cost of educated labor. The idea that education is about humanity | Dec 20 09:28 |
| schestowitz | and actualization probably has never occurred to him. After all, how do you make money off actualizing?" | Dec 20 09:28 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1064654 | Dec 20 09:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 20 09:29 |
| schestowitz | It's actually worse than that because by tilting schools like that you also get taxpayers-funded trainers, namely the teachers, whose role becomes to help kids memorise Microsoft GUIs. | Dec 20 09:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: why seamonkey and not thunderbird with thunderbrowse? | Dec 20 09:30 |
| schestowitz | The latter might suit you better | Dec 20 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | I tried Thunderbrowse | Dec 20 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | I did not like it | Dec 20 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | it makes a neat little pared down browser for if you click on a link in an email message | Dec 20 09:31 |
| schestowitz | Heh. My cousin in Columbia is still posting FB nonsense | Dec 20 09:31 |
| schestowitz | That site is a disgrace | Dec 20 09:31 |
| DaemonFC | but it makes a very poor web browser | Dec 20 09:31 |
| schestowitz | it's good if you find pages via RSS/email | Dec 20 09:31 |
| schestowitz | in which case it keeps you in the same circle/loop | Dec 20 09:31 |
| schestowitz | Did you see the new YouTube BTW? | Dec 20 09:32 |
| schestowitz | They have a new 'easy' layout | Dec 20 09:32 |
| schestowitz | works ok with all browsers I truied, konq too | Dec 20 09:32 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, seen it | Dec 20 09:40 |
| DaemonFC | that host in the RMS video is an ass | Dec 20 09:41 |
| DaemonFC | I think that must have been the first time where I've felt sorry for RMS and not the interviewer | Dec 20 09:41 |
| schestowitz | Yes | Dec 20 09:43 |
| schestowitz | but it's good for RMS | Dec 20 09:43 |
| schestowitz | Usually it is him that viewers are irritated by | Dec 20 09:44 |
| schestowitz | I also loved his remark, "there is no God" | Dec 20 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | the question of control of property is an interesting thing | Dec 20 09:44 |
| schestowitz | Which for TV is considered something that's better (PC) to avoid saying | Dec 20 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | if you buy a car, most of the time there are aftermarket parts at more reasonable prices | Dec 20 09:44 |
| schestowitz | no | Dec 20 09:44 |
| schestowitz | oin my view | Dec 20 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | and they are made for years after the original manufacturer goes out of business | Dec 20 09:44 |
| schestowitz | as I tell people a lot | Dec 20 09:44 |
| schestowitz | you never own a car | Dec 20 09:44 |
| DaemonFC | or says your car is too old | Dec 20 09:44 |
| schestowitz | you have access to car keys | Dec 20 09:44 |
| schestowitz | that give you better access to that tin can | Dec 20 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | well, the discussion was when you buy something you own it | Dec 20 09:45 |
| schestowitz | and there is also documentation that allows you to assert control of the vehicle | Dec 20 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | which is not true for proprietary software | Dec 20 09:45 |
| schestowitz | Like, if someone else takes control of it ('owns' it) | Dec 20 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | when Microsoft says Windows is out of support, it is done | Dec 20 09:45 |
| schestowitz | you own what you eat | Dec 20 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | nobody else can give you "replacement parts" | Dec 20 09:45 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure Ford never designed my car to last for 17 years | Dec 20 09:46 |
| schestowitz | [until excerting it] | Dec 20 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | but parts are still made for it and I've kept it running | Dec 20 09:46 |
| schestowitz | cars are shells, they are not a surrogate for oneself | Dec 20 09:46 |
| DaemonFC | if Ford was like Microsoft, then after your car was 5 years old, you'd be on your own and nobody else would have parts for it | Dec 20 09:46 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Dec 20 09:47 |
| schestowitz | pretty much | Dec 20 09:47 |
| schestowitz | I thought that RMS vrging on politics there was not bad | Dec 20 09:47 |
| schestowitz | As it helped explained what FREE software is about and why it is valuable | Dec 20 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | I've kept my car going a long time past the "life expectancy" | Dec 20 09:47 |
| DaemonFC | just because I can get parts for it and replace them myself (most of the time) | Dec 20 09:48 |
| schestowitz | how much is it worth now? | Dec 20 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | maybe $1,000 | Dec 20 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | it's worth more than that to me | Dec 20 09:48 |
| schestowitz | cars often cost more to maintain than to buy (over say, one year's course) past some date | Dec 20 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | I'm sure I can keep it together for a few more years | Dec 20 09:48 |
| DaemonFC | car payments on anything halfway decent start at $250-300 a month | Dec 20 09:49 |
| schestowitz | So odd how cheap old cars can be, and yet how people use these as status symbols | Dec 20 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | and a lot of that is interest | Dec 20 09:49 |
| schestowitz | Same for phones, which you get free with contracts | Dec 20 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, it cost me $2,000 in 2005 | Dec 20 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | I've put maybe another $1,000 worth of parts into it | Dec 20 09:49 |
| schestowitz | Hey, ryan, today on the radio they said that crooks who claim no interest on loan and hide the commission in the exchange rates should be cracked down on in ENgland | Dec 20 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | $3,000 for 7 years so far | Dec 20 09:49 |
| schestowitz | About freakin' time | Dec 20 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | vs at least $3,600 a year in car payments | Dec 20 09:50 |
| schestowitz | 3k for 7 years is not too bad | Dec 20 09:50 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of people are simply too vain to be seen running around in a car that old | Dec 20 09:50 |
| schestowitz | you get your money's worth, still | Dec 20 09:50 |
| schestowitz | garage downtime is still costly, in terms of time for example | Dec 20 09:50 |
| schestowitz | +insurance | Dec 20 09:51 |
| schestowitz | just live close to work | Dec 20 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | I replaced the radiator, the coolant hoses, the water pump | Dec 20 09:51 |
| schestowitz | or negotiate working from home remotely, as I have | Dec 20 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | a couple of serpentine belts | Dec 20 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | the idler pulley | Dec 20 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | meh... | Dec 20 09:51 |
| DaemonFC | new set of tires | Dec 20 09:51 |
| schestowitz | maybe car-sharing, depending on who uses the car and when | Dec 20 09:51 |
| schestowitz | new tires? | Dec 20 09:52 |
| schestowitz | Worth more than the car? | Dec 20 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | no | Dec 20 09:52 |
| schestowitz | or 40% of it? | Dec 20 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | each tire was only $60 | Dec 20 09:52 |
| schestowitz | If I bought a car now, I would have to drive it around iust so that the battery doesn't go flat | Dec 20 09:52 |
| DaemonFC | people let themselves get upsold into a lot of worthless upgrades they don't need | Dec 20 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | that's where tires at $200 a tire come in | Dec 20 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 20 09:53 |
| schestowitz | in city centre where I live there's hardly any parking, I only have a spot where I live... parking in town is like 5 quid an hour sometimes | Dec 20 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | what am I going to do? | Dec 20 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | go offroading? | Dec 20 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Dec 20 09:53 |
| schestowitz | cheap tires won't last you long | Dec 20 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | sure they have | Dec 20 09:53 |
| DaemonFC | they still have over 60% of their tread on them | Dec 20 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | I replaced all four in 2006 | Dec 20 09:54 |
| schestowitz | oh, 5 years ago | Dec 20 09:54 |
| schestowitz | IIRC you lived in this car for a a while | Dec 20 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | I wouldn't run them bald | Dec 20 09:54 |
| schestowitz | I know people who use no PC or TV | Dec 20 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | but down to 25% is reasonable | Dec 20 09:54 |
| schestowitz | They live around their phone | Dec 20 09:54 |
| schestowitz | and they have no bradband either | Dec 20 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | people don't rotate their tires | Dec 20 09:55 |
| schestowitz | maybe they'll ust live around their bike soon, as well... weird economy | Dec 20 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | so eventually they get to where the front ones have like 20% of their tread | Dec 20 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | and the back ones are still at like 60 | Dec 20 09:55 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: which plasma theme do you use? | Dec 20 09:56 |
| DaemonFC | people let other people push them around entirely too much | Dec 20 09:56 |
| DaemonFC | shadowed | Dec 20 09:56 |
| DaemonFC | if you search for it in the theme picker, it will come up | Dec 20 09:56 |
| schestowitz | I grew tired of the current theme | Dec 20 09:56 |
| schestowitz | and for windows decorations there's nothing good | Dec 20 09:56 |
| schestowitz | other than the defaults | Dec 20 09:57 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed that | Dec 20 09:57 |
| DaemonFC | the rest are like, tacky | Dec 20 09:57 |
| schestowitz | you can make scroll bars animated blue | Dec 20 09:57 |
| schestowitz | and can make the windows titles tab-like and bevelled, but that's about it | Dec 20 09:57 |
| schestowitz | it's a bit like mac os, although you can fall back onto kde3-like qt themes, which look ugly | Dec 20 09:58 |
| schestowitz | Redmond for example | Dec 20 09:58 |
| schestowitz | Crux | Dec 20 09:58 |
| DaemonFC | Plastique is the only KDE3-ish one that looks alright | Dec 20 09:58 |
| schestowitz | I used that at the time | Dec 20 09:58 |
| schestowitz | que? | Dec 20 09:58 |
| schestowitz | not K? | Dec 20 09:58 |
| DaemonFC | but then your GTK applications don't match | Dec 20 09:58 |
| DaemonFC | the KDE 4 port of Plastik is called Plastique | Dec 20 09:59 |
| schestowitz | I have been with the same theme since Sept. 2009 | Dec 20 09:59 |
| schestowitz | When you advised me to take kubuntu alpha | Dec 20 09:59 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, when they're past feature freeze it's usually safe enough to use daily | Dec 20 09:59 |
| schestowitz | KDE makes it hard to install new windows decorators... same in KDE3 | Dec 20 09:59 |
| schestowitz | I think I tried once, it's sure to blow some stuff up | Dec 20 09:59 |
| DaemonFC | don't ever switch until after feature freeze | Dec 20 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | or there will be turbulence :) | Dec 20 10:00 |
| schestowitz | I have not had to restart since around March | Dec 20 10:00 |
| schestowitz | I had an outage some months ago, caused by me | Dec 20 10:00 |
| schestowitz | LTS is very stable | Dec 20 10:00 |
| schestowitz | no kernel panics, not even GPU-induced | Dec 20 10:00 |
| DaemonFC | I plan to move to 12.04 LTS after Alpha 2 | Dec 20 10:00 |
| schestowitz | One of our clients has a centos system that has been up for over 2 years | Dec 20 10:01 |
| schestowitz | 16 cores | Dec 20 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | I tend to start using a new version after Alpha 2 | Dec 20 10:01 |
| DaemonFC | that's the point where all the new feature work is settled down, usually | Dec 20 10:01 |
| schestowitz | 12.04 has no mono (but you mean kubuntu) | Dec 20 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | Kubuntu never came with Mono to begin with | Dec 20 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, Kubuntu | Dec 20 10:02 |
| schestowitz | IIRC, my current distro will last till 2013... works so well that there's no point changing | Dec 20 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | LTS to LTS is supported as an upgrade path | Dec 20 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | 12.04 will have 5 years on the desktop | Dec 20 10:03 |
| schestowitz | what are the benefits? | Dec 20 10:03 |
| schestowitz | newer kde | Dec 20 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | so if you upgrade, you're good until 2017 | Dec 20 10:03 |
| schestowitz | newer stuff in repos I guess | Dec 20 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, KDE 4.8 will be what it comes with | Dec 20 10:03 |
| schestowitz | boot might be slower, but I don't boot | Dec 20 10:03 |
| schestowitz | risk of some drivers not being compatible | Dec 20 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of stuff in KDE it being ported to Quick | Dec 20 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | including the applications menu and system monitor apparently | Dec 20 10:04 |
| schestowitz | I guess I could get newer rekonq and stuff without unofficial repos | Dec 20 10:04 |
| schestowitz | I still see just ff 3.6 in this LTS | Dec 20 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | rekonq is on version 0.8 right now | Dec 20 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | and using Qtwebkit 2.2 | Dec 20 10:04 |
| schestowitz | Canonical will need to upgrade FF for this | Dec 20 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | Firefox 9 is what's in the LTS branch right now | Dec 20 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | but they will ship with version 10 | Dec 20 10:05 |
| schestowitz | which LTS? | Dec 20 10:05 |
| schestowitz | 12.04? | Dec 20 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Dec 20 10:05 |
| schestowitz | right, vapourwarish | Dec 20 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | and their upgrade policy will follow new Firefox versions | Dec 20 10:05 |
| DaemonFC | I don't think Mark Shuttleworth was serious when he said they might use Chrome | Dec 20 10:06 |
| schestowitz | Hehe | Dec 20 10:06 |
| schestowitz | > Dear Sir | Dec 20 10:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 20 10:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 20 10:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 20 10:06 |
| schestowitz | > Greetings from Planet E-Com Solutions Pvt. Ltd. ( PECS ). | Dec 20 10:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 20 10:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 20 10:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 20 10:06 |
| schestowitz | > I am Mishi Mittal, Head - International Marketing for PECS. | Dec 20 10:06 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 20 10:06 |
| schestowitz | > We are a Microsoft Certified Partner and ISO 9001 certified Internet | Dec 20 10:06 |
| schestowitz | > Technology Company with over 10 years of experience. | Dec 20 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | I think Chromium is neat, but it's not what I would default to | Dec 20 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | if I had to give a user a web browser with the system | Dec 20 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | it just has too many gaps that are cumbersome to work around | Dec 20 10:07 |
| schestowitz | does it still look ugly in kde? | Dec 20 10:07 |
| schestowitz | I think they added qt | Dec 20 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | no | Dec 20 10:07 |
| schestowitz | you said so last week | Dec 20 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | still uses GTK+ | Dec 20 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | but the menus respect your GTK settings | Dec 20 10:07 |
| DaemonFC | and you can use any of the themes in their gallery | Dec 20 10:07 |
| schestowitz | It looks like a pile of plasticine on my desktop | Dec 20 10:08 |
| schestowitz | and the fonts are horrid and big | Dec 20 10:08 |
| schestowitz | I smell some bike rides coming around xmas time... weather permitting :-) | Dec 20 10:09 |
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| Diablo-D3 | uh roy | Dec 20 10:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | my entire screen is you | Dec 20 10:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | you are talking to yourself again | Dec 20 10:10 |
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| Diablo-D3 | infact, two and a half pages worth | Dec 20 10:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | about 50 lines per page | Dec 20 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/6765/snapshot4dt.png | Dec 20 10:12 |
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| schestowitz | http://identi.ca/ still kaput | Dec 20 10:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 500 Internal Server Error | Dec 20 10:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | LIKE A BAWS | Dec 20 10:12 |
| schestowitz | Diablo-D3: me and DaemonFC - the two hypas | Dec 20 10:12 |
| Diablo-D3 | why do you talk to him? | Dec 20 10:13 |
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| DaemonFC | http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/3487/snapshot5eb.png | Dec 20 10:14 |
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| Diablo-D3 | http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3368539 | Dec 20 10:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: I wish companies purporting to publish articles by legitimate journalists would ... | Hacker News .::. Size~: 4.73 KB | Dec 20 10:14 |
| Diablo-D3 | NEED MORE KARMA | Dec 20 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUJh7id0lK4 | Dec 20 10:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Computer On Drugs: Star Trek: TNG - YouTube .::. Size~: 123.46 KB | Dec 20 10:17 |
| DaemonFC | The Enterprise running Windows | Dec 20 10:17 |
| schestowitz | I guess I will just wait until identca is back before posting any news-related stuff | Dec 20 10:17 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: bnice plasma theme, but it has some of that new kde stuff | Dec 20 10:18 |
| schestowitz | I am on 4.4 and 4.5 on my two boxes right now | Dec 20 10:18 |
| schestowitz | in chromium, are these the right windows decorators | Dec 20 10:18 |
| schestowitz | for me they show up as ugly blue | Dec 20 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | you can use native window decorations | Dec 20 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | or Chromium's | Dec 20 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | Chromium's take less space | Dec 20 10:19 |
| schestowitz | probably a newer option then | Dec 20 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | it's not a lot of extra space to use KDE's window decorations | Dec 20 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | but it's some | Dec 20 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Dec 20 10:19 |
| schestowitz | What did you send Computer On Drugs: Star Trek for? | Dec 20 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | it made me giggle | Dec 20 10:20 |
| schestowitz | then title? | Dec 20 10:21 |
| schestowitz | the | Dec 20 10:21 |
| schestowitz | they can travel at warp speed | Dec 20 10:21 |
| schestowitz | but cannot stablise the space shuttle | Dec 20 10:21 |
| schestowitz | or use a belyt | Dec 20 10:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | why dont we just all go watch the gif of data banging on the console when it bsods | Dec 20 10:21 |
| schestowitz | manyh screwups happen when they fall around the brdidge | Dec 20 10:21 |
| schestowitz | You'd think they'd discover the belt | Dec 20 10:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | schestowitz: dude, the last TNG movie they made had a set that was on hydrolics | Dec 20 10:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | a first | Dec 20 10:21 |
| schestowitz | oh, new chromium uses the right window decorators now | Dec 20 10:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | no more camera guy tilting camera and everyone throwing themselves out of the chairs | Dec 20 10:22 |
| schestowitz | and qt menus | Dec 20 10:22 |
| schestowitz | nice | Dec 20 10:22 |
| schestowitz | version 12 | Dec 20 10:22 |
| schestowitz | plays webm | Dec 20 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | version 12? | Dec 20 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | add the stable PPA at least | Dec 20 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | it's on version 16 | Dec 20 10:23 |
| DaemonFC | next week, the dev channel will go to version 18 | Dec 20 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | and 17 will be bumped to the beta channel | Dec 20 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | version 16 has KDE file dialogs | Dec 20 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | not the GTK ones | Dec 20 10:24 |
| schestowitz | anyway, it works much better now | Dec 20 10:26 |
| DaemonFC | Chromium is updated frequently enough that nobody seems to even be attempting to make actual malware that targets it | Dec 20 10:26 |
| schestowitz | ubuntu kept it updated over time, I didn't use it for a long time | Dec 20 10:26 |
| schestowitz | depends on the malware | Dec 20 10:27 |
| schestowitz | if it relies on binary compat | Dec 20 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | Google seems to be interested in learning about and fixing security issues | Dec 20 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | no matter how small | Dec 20 10:27 |
| schestowitz | you could still make itfunction like a plugin and try to sneak it into Google's repo, even though Google requests payments to validate your address and personal details, for liability and all | Dec 20 10:27 |
| DaemonFC | I limit my extensions to ones that are widely used and under a free and open source license | Dec 20 10:28 |
| schestowitz | identica has been down since around 4am-5am | Dec 20 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | Chrome Adblock is under the GPL 3 for example | Dec 20 10:28 |
| schestowitz | I think I'll just go away to write some posts until it comes back | Dec 20 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | once you start extending your browser with nonfree extensions, you don't know what you're actually running | Dec 20 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | and there's plenty of those for Firefox too | Dec 20 10:29 |
| DaemonFC | Chrome has a built-in click to play for plug-ins | Dec 20 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | but you have to expose it through about:flags | Dec 20 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | I use that to keep flash content I don't want from loading | Dec 20 10:31 |
| DaemonFC | it's bad enough that Flash even has to be there | Dec 20 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | what's worse is that it has tons of security issues and anything can tell the browser to load it | Dec 20 10:32 |
| DaemonFC | "It looks like Apple's victory is relatively minor. They lost claims on all patents except for one, and HTC/Google can work on implementing similar functionality in a non-infringing way." | Dec 20 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | Their bark is worse than their bite | Dec 20 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | they take out patents on things that shouldn't be patentable and are obvious and trivial to begin with | Dec 20 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | and upon review, the courts or the USPTO tend to invalidate a lot of them as soon as they try harassing someone with them | Dec 20 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/11/12/19/139236/bt-sues-google-over-android | Dec 20 10:36 |
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| DaemonFC | http://idle.slashdot.org/story/11/12/19/1450204/man-changes-name-to-mark-zuckerberg-after-facebook-sues-him | Dec 20 10:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Man Changes Name to "Mark Zuckerberg" After Facebook Sues Him - Slashdot .::. Size~: 180.1 KB | Dec 20 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | I still wonder what is going to happen with RHEL 7 | Dec 20 10:42 |
| DaemonFC | there's no way they're going to make their customers use GNOME 3, is there? | Dec 20 10:43 |
| DaemonFC | if it wasn't for AMD Catalyst crashing X every time I played a video, I might very well be using Fedora 16 right now | Dec 20 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | but things like that happen in almost every release of that driver bundle | Dec 20 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | and the last version that wasn't doing any horribly nasty shit to me doesn't work in Fedora 16 | Dec 20 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 20 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | RPM Fusion just seems to like to chuck shit at their packaging system and hope it spits out packages that work | Dec 20 10:47 |
| DaemonFC | then if they don't, they still leave them there for a while for people to blunder into | Dec 20 10:48 |
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| DaemonFC | http://linuxblog.darkduck.com/2011/12/users-voted-for-best-xfce-based-linux.html | Dec 20 10:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Users voted for best XFCE-based Linux distribution - Linux notes from DarkDuck .::. Size~: 112.9 KB | Dec 20 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | I think Xubuntu still has trouble grasping that whole "light and fast" thing | Dec 20 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | or else they wouldn't use a package manager that takes upwards of 200 MB of RAM | Dec 20 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | I think someone at Canonical was leaning on them to get that shoved in | Dec 20 10:53 |
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| DaemonFC | The cat is in one of his "I have to fuck with everything just to piss you off" moods | Dec 20 11:21 |
| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65695-Qt-4.8-Draws-In-Platform-Abstraction-New-WebKit&p=242604#post242604 | Dec 20 11:31 |
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| sebsebseb | Who's libertybox_ ? | Dec 20 11:55 |
| MinceR | geekings | Dec 20 11:59 |
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| brendyn | http://youhavedownloaded.com | Dec 20 12:32 |
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| MinceR | what does that do? | Dec 20 12:39 |
| MinceR | crawl public trackers for ip addresses? | Dec 20 12:40 |
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| iophk | The WebM version plays now, thanks. | Dec 20 12:50 |
| iophk | http://techrights.org/2011/12/19/stallman-interview/ | Dec 20 12:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: New Richard Stallman Interview (Updated: WebM Version) | Techrights .::. Size~: 89.83 KB | Dec 20 12:50 |
| brendyn | i guess so | Dec 20 12:53 |
| brendyn | it has two of my friends torrents on their with his ip | Dec 20 12:53 |
| XFaCE | "Hi. We have no records on you." | Dec 20 12:53 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder why it is that everyone's anti-aliased fonts looks exactly like Microsoft GlaucomaVision | Dec 20 12:53 |
| XFaCE | giggle | Dec 20 12:53 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: I know, they should use Droid or something else FFS | Dec 20 12:54 |
| XFaCE | People like their verdana | Dec 20 12:54 |
| XFaCE | potrays classiness or some shit | Dec 20 12:54 |
| DaemonFC | I took the wrecking ball to xorg-edgers right now | Dec 20 12:54 |
| DaemonFC | going to slap in Catalyst long enough to get sick of Red Alert 3 | Dec 20 12:54 |
| DaemonFC | I switch back and forth depending on whether or not a game that needs Catalyst interests me | Dec 20 12:55 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Dec 20 12:55 |
| DaemonFC | great, it snowed on my car, then switched over, rained on top of that, and then froze | Dec 20 12:58 |
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| iophk | The interviewer was rather pathetic and it is a puzzle how he got or stays in the job. | Dec 20 13:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lnxwalt140/@lnxwalt140] !sr gifeheq UID 579074 Another autoposter. | Dec 20 13:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Yay! Back up. Happy about that. | Dec 20 13:24 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] It's no longer: can #Samsung can prevail over #Apple in the courts, but can Apple can survive the court of public opinion? #swpats | Dec 20 13:25 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Republican Presidential candidate, Ron Paul, WikiLeaks defender, moves into lead position http://t.co/U8JfdXFr | Dec 20 13:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] I'm on an airplane. Need help from moderators and modhelpers to silence all the new users. I'm going to close registration for now. | Dec 20 13:32 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/what-s-the-best-linux-desktop-environment--1045280?artc_pg=1 | Dec 20 13:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: What's the best Linux desktop environment? | News | TechRadar .::. Size~: 73.47 KB | Dec 20 13:39 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Yes, I'm a snake. | Dec 20 13:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Lead Republican candidate Ron Paul on WikiLeaks 1) https://t.co/hvl8Ktv5 2) http://t.co/W3refBD0 3) http://t.co/v1jchCKg | Dec 20 13:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] !identica mods and modhelpers please help clean up the public timeline! | Dec 20 13:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Watch for "<name> is <adjective>. [He|she] <verb> the <noun>." | Dec 20 13:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] !identica registration is closed for now. | Dec 20 13:45 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] RT @kgosztola: Here is video of my appearance on @TheAlyonaShow w/ @DanielEllsberg talking about #Manning hearing http://t.co/3tj1mRVC | Dec 20 13:50 | |
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| DaemonFC | If Opera detects you have an old display driver, they now give you the link to go download a new one | Dec 20 13:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @jenssegers allez, 2 boeken javascript dan. | Dec 20 13:52 | |
| DaemonFC | if they detect you're using Mesa older than 7.10.2, they simply say it's not supported and you should go find a newer version | Dec 20 13:52 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @dekaminski: #SIDA summarizes the #net4change conference http://t.co/qcaDROfW #juliagruppen | Dec 20 13:54 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Wikileaks is part of the history of human liberation. It is part of our emancipation from our own ignorance, and the ignorance imposed on us | Dec 20 14:02 | |
| DaemonFC | unfortunately these adblock plus lists that block facebook-like crap on sites that spies on you also breaks a lot of other things | Dec 20 14:05 |
| beenz | daemonfc - what distro do you run | Dec 20 14:07 |
| DaemonFC | Kubuntu | Dec 20 14:07 |
| beenz | you find it has no problems? | Dec 20 14:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] It's amazing how fast my email traffic slows down when classes end | Dec 20 14:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Apache: Members can not use the Apache trademark for fundraising efforts (ASF Blog): http://bit.ly/u1vgVB | Dec 20 14:09 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] RT @bkuhn #Apple manipulating #FreeBSD is not new news. I'll worry when !GPL'd projects start preferring LLVM. For now, it's just a poli ... | Dec 20 14:09 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] @fontana What's really going on here is lots of #Apple tags and #Google tags: who's behind that? | Dec 20 14:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] RT @JLLLOW: http://t.co/3OejSkpO poll shows 75% of readers agreed with Wikileaks publishing confidential material http://t.co/ZlTOQX1x | Dec 20 14:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[trashbird1240/@trashbird1240] Measures governments can use to promote free software http://bit.ly/vRXcKM | Dec 20 14:14 | |
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| DaemonFC | DaemonFC said, | Dec 20 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | December 20, 2011 at 9:13 am | Dec 20 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | I’m unaware of Richard Stallman making any perverse claims about children and sex. | Dec 20 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | What I’ve heard him say on the subject, which could only be misconstrued by an idiot, is something to the effect of… | Dec 20 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | Sexting (that is taking nude pictures of yourself and sending them to another person via a mobile phone) laws are overkill because they can put a teenager in prison for producing child pornography for taking a photo of THEMSELVES and sending it to a friend of theirs that is about the same age. | Dec 20 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | I agree. | Dec 20 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | He did not defend child pornographers, he simply said that someone should not be made a criminal for photographing themselves nude. | Dec 20 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | He went on to mention that most people by age 16 or 17 have had sex. Unless every survey I’ve ever seen on the subject is wrong, then that too is correct. I had sex at age 17. OK, throw me in jail for it. | Dec 20 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | It’s obviously not that RMS is a pervert, it’s that you are an idiot who is warping what he said to fit your ad hominem attacks. | Dec 20 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | in response to a commenter that tried to make RM sound like a sex pervert | Dec 20 14:14 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[gbraad/@gbraad] Eh, really?!??? "Nokia Lumia 800 Developer gift" | Dec 20 14:15 | |
| DaemonFC | sexting and the laws in response to it are just the product of a moral panic created by the media | Dec 20 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | what was a few isolated incidents of something that really wasn't all that wrong became sensationalized, which caused that activity to become widespread | Dec 20 14:16 |
| DaemonFC | even when people would have never thought of doing it before | Dec 20 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | which in turn, compelled states to start enacting laws which are worded such to where a teenager can be arrested and thrown in jail and forced to register as a sex offender for taking nude pictures of themselves | Dec 20 14:17 |
| DaemonFC | regardless of whether or not anyone ever saw them | Dec 20 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | or was offended by them | Dec 20 14:18 |
| DaemonFC | at the same time, the same states are promoting nonfree software on student laptops, which are taken home with them every evening, which has a remote control for the entire system installed as a back door | Dec 20 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | and there was at least one major scandal where the principal of a high school was using that remote trojan software to activate those cameras and watch children in their bedroom | Dec 20 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | you know, they sent that guy to prison, which is good | Dec 20 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | he belongs there | Dec 20 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | but they treated a symptom instead of curing a disease | Dec 20 14:20 |
| DaemonFC | as long as they don't stop using that proprietary software, nothing is stopping this from happening again and again, and I doubt they'll catch the pervert in every single case | Dec 20 14:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Bradley Manning case: Investigators claim evidence of WikiLeaks link, Assange chats | Washington Post http://t.co/APSEM2Gc | Dec 20 14:22 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Miguel de Icaza made fun of Black Duck | Dec 20 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | their code searching tool anyway | Dec 20 14:25 |
| DaemonFC | he said it was about as useful as setting your browser search engine to stumbleupon | Dec 20 14:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] In Divorce, Who Gets the Embryos? http://ping.fm/7df3A | Dec 20 14:25 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: @NeelieKroesEU and "Europe set up for 'no brainer' LED lighting push" http://t.co/nP73fHPD #photonics #KET http://p.ost.im/p/ey4BP5 | Dec 20 14:25 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.h-online.com/security/news/item/Highly-critical-zero-day-vulnerability-in-Windows-discovered-1398625.html | Dec 20 14:26 |
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| DaemonFC | It's groundhog day again | Dec 20 14:26 |
| DaemonFC | apparently the flaw is in the Windows kernel itself | Dec 20 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | and Safari just happens to make it really easy to exploit | Dec 20 14:28 |
| DaemonFC | http://jashkenas.github.com/coffee-script/ | Dec 20 14:29 |
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| DaemonFC | "an attempt to expose the good parts of JavaScript in a simple way." | Dec 20 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | things that make you go "bleh" | Dec 20 14:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ghostler/@ghostler] It may be time for me to try #LXDE again; I've used it in the past and it was a decent light #Linux #desktop interface. | Dec 20 14:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Web-based marketplaces (Etsy, AirBnB, etc) work because we now can see the counterparties on the Net (Chris Dixon): http://bit.ly/uEhaOt | Dec 20 14:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Setting examples of illigitimate government. Bradley Manning treatment | Salon http://t.co/mknMSUUu https://t.co/xWcS5ckQ | Dec 20 14:32 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] "Reading both the Shareware and the Creative Commons licenses, there was no confusion over whose rights where being reserved": key point | Dec 20 14:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ghostler/@ghostler] #Linux #Ubuntu 10.04 LTS is a decent distro worth considering. Few need cutting edge, one can selectively shoot for latest apps. by choice. | Dec 20 14:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Christine Assange speaks: US gov wants revenge on my son http://t.co/iMwNd2yd | Dec 20 14:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Apache: Members can not use the Apache trademark for fundraising efforts w/o prior approval from ASF (ASF Blog): http://bit.ly/u1vgVB | Dec 20 14:44 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] "On a ~160Mbps link, netflix peaks out between 30-50Mbps around 8-10PM each evening" (Nanog discussion): http://bit.ly/shgWst | Dec 20 14:49 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Only 800 more signatures needed on petition asking for UN Rapporteur on Torture access to Bradley #Manning! https://t.co/VTRrGiJh | Dec 20 14:50 | |
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| beenz | hi kari | Dec 20 14:57 |
| beenz | i am you, from the future | Dec 20 14:58 |
| beenz | don't buy the tylenol | Dec 20 14:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Summary of PFC Bradley Manning’s Pre-Trial Hearing, Dec 16-18 | WLCentral http://t.co/CGIb6zUU | Dec 20 15:02 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 20 15:02 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Pudding-Dispensing Robot Programmed to Threaten Children (Gawker): http://gaw.kr/tsGvXW | Dec 20 15:05 | |
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| schestowitz | [14:25] <DaemonFC> he said it was about as useful as setting your browser search engine to stumbleupon | Dec 20 15:07 |
| schestowitz | Placeboware? | Dec 20 15:07 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: where did he say this? Show me, I have a post about them coming... | Dec 20 15:07 |
| DaemonFC | http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2011/Nov-29.html | Dec 20 15:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Farewell to Google's CodeSearch - Miguel de Icaza .::. Size~: 21.95 KB | Dec 20 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | "Koders is part of Black Duck, and searching for the term renders a bunch of matches. Not a single one of the results displayed actually contain a single use of the kSecReturnData constant. And not a single one of the snippets actually show the kSecReturnData constant. It is as useful as configuring your browser to use StumbleUpon as your search engine" | Dec 20 15:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] MIT Software Allows Queries On Encrypted Databases - Slashdot http://bit.ly/rSFmk4 | Dec 20 15:10 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: MIT Software Allows Queries On Encrypted Databases - Slashdot .::. Size~: 150.2 KB | Dec 20 15:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] India's dangerous invisible censorship program | InfoJustice http://t.co/S3eyLBmh | Dec 20 15:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Former Pentagon Paper's NYT lawyer James Goodale hits back against anti-WikiLeaks article in WSJ http://t.co/oBJx1rSE | Dec 20 15:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] 1st Place in Rowing But No British Record http://is.gd/RQXldi finally I can concentrate on computer again, been away too much recently | Dec 20 15:29 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » 1st Place in Rowing But No British Record .::. Size~: 34.21 KB | Dec 20 15:29 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: thanks | Dec 20 15:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Sweden refuses to release CIA rendition flight records (unlike USA,Denmark,Finland,Norway,Ireland) | Reprieve http://t.co/DrGiRYdV | Dec 20 15:32 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] 5 reasons why IBM is full of FAIL (Computerworld): http://bit.ly/uWuvd5 | Dec 20 15:34 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Microsoft to seek dismissal of Novell suit (Computerworld): http://bit.ly/upWlj5 | Dec 20 15:34 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: 5 reasons why IBM is full of FAIL - Computerworld Blogs .::. Size~: 78.13 KB | Dec 20 15:34 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] Red Hat Q3 revenue growth driven by subscriptions - Computerworld http://bit.ly/v97tBg | Dec 20 15:35 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[joabj/@joabj] A flowchart to help you determine if you’re having a rational discussion (22 Words): http://bit.ly/udddHh | Dec 20 15:40 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: A flowchart to help you determine if you’re having a rational discussion - 22 Words .::. Size~: 102.96 KB | Dec 20 15:40 |
| schestowitz | So, I was about to wriute 7 new posts | Dec 20 15:42 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Wikileaks-supporters krijgen taakstraf | NOS http://t.co/pVB0jD94 | Dec 20 15:42 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 20 15:42 |
| schestowitz | After I did four a friend called me in for lunch, so I only got those done, will publish them in series now. | Dec 20 15:42 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: I assume one of those posts is for the absolutely insipid and stupid banning of HTC | Dec 20 15:44 |
| DaemonFC | Steve Jobs' legacy lives on | Dec 20 15:45 |
| DaemonFC | Apple as the walled garden and courtroom bully | Dec 20 15:45 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] the !identiverse is back! yay \o/ | Dec 20 15:45 | |
| XFaCE | "With an iPhone, you can do, pretty much anything." | Dec 20 15:46 |
| XFaCE | "Even download any application I want not in the App Store?" | Dec 20 15:46 |
| XFaCE | "No, when we say pretty much anything, you are bound by our rules." | Dec 20 15:46 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: BTW, yr gonna be jealous | Dec 20 15:47 |
| XFaCE | I have 1 mb/s download speeds right now | Dec 20 15:47 |
| XFaCE | 1200kb/s to be specific | Dec 20 15:47 |
| XFaCE | :) | Dec 20 15:47 |
| *XFaCE is now playing: Jeff Danna - Theme from Kung Fu | Dec 20 15:49 | |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: no, I didn't get to it | Dec 20 15:49 |
| schestowitz | It's still in drafts | Dec 20 15:49 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: I think that should be your priority. It's basically our worst case scenario realized | Dec 20 15:50 |
| XFaCE | or at least the harbinger of the worst case scenario | Dec 20 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | http://xfree86.org/pipermail/forum/2003-March/000128.html | Dec 20 15:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [forum] Some perspective from the cheap seats... .::. Size~: 14.85 KB | Dec 20 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | An America Online employee who used Windows criticizing Keith Packard | Dec 20 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | ok then.... | Dec 20 15:51 |
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| DaemonFC | (long time ago) | Dec 20 15:51 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: From 2003 | Dec 20 15:51 |
| XFaCE | -_- | Dec 20 15:51 |
| DaemonFC | happened upon it | Dec 20 15:52 |
| *XFaCE gives voice to amarsh04 | Dec 20 15:52 | |
| *XFaCE gives voice to beenz | Dec 20 15:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] WikiLeaks supporters (age 17, 20) get community service for protesting US banking blockade http://t.co/XHYtBsNw more: http://t.co/F2tkiaDj | Dec 20 15:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[harishpillay/@harishpillay] RT @sbanwart New features arriving in BoxGrinder Build 0.10.0 - http://goo.gl/IsA8I #boxgrinder !fedora | Dec 20 16:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] In the Western media, denouncing the dead Korean leader upon his death is popular, unlike Jobs'. One is a communist, another a capitalist. | Dec 20 16:05 | |
| beenz | Both are Authoritarians | Dec 20 16:06 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Dec 20 16:07 |
| schestowitz | but one is supposedly "ours" | Dec 20 16:07 |
| schestowitz | Not that many of us want him | Dec 20 16:07 |
| schestowitz | But Rupert says we should | Dec 20 16:07 |
| schestowitz | And the media insists we must love this "innovator" | Dec 20 16:08 |
| schestowitz | At least Kim did not say "thermonuclear" | Dec 20 16:08 |
| schestowitz | Steve did | Dec 20 16:08 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Kim did result in the deaths of several people though | Dec 20 16:08 |
| XFaCE | As negative as Jobs was, I don't think he did that | Dec 20 16:09 |
| schestowitz | !google iphone explodes | Dec 20 16:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Second iPhone 'explodes' - Telegraph | http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/8927926/Second-iPhone-explodes.html | Dec 20 16:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Ayla Mota's iPhone explodes: Device emits smoke and sparks while ... | http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2068638/Ayla-Motas-iPhone-explodes-Device-emits-smoke-sparks-charging.html | Dec 20 16:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - iPhone explodes in holiday sales as Nokia struggles to penetrate ... | http://www.slashgear.com/iphone-explodes-in-holiday-sales-as-nokia-struggles-to-penetrate-19203129/ | Dec 20 16:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - iPhone Explodes: Brazil Incident Is Apple's Second In Less Than A ... | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/12/01/iphone-explodes-brazil-in_n_1123647.html | Dec 20 16:09 |
| XFaCE | Even so | Dec 20 16:09 |
| schestowitz | and | Dec 20 16:09 |
| schestowitz | remember where these were made | Dec 20 16:09 |
| schestowitz | and the toll on life | Dec 20 16:09 |
| XFaCE | It think it's more of a case of apples and oranges | Dec 20 16:09 |
| schestowitz | wage slavery and child labour | Dec 20 16:09 |
| schestowitz | Apple covered it up | Dec 20 16:09 |
| schestowitz | Unlike some other companies | Dec 20 16:09 |
| XFaCE | yes, absolutely, it is terrible | Dec 20 16:09 |
| XFaCE | But I think we should judge the two men on separate scales | Dec 20 16:10 |
| schestowitz | A life of forced labour since childhood can be worse than death, which to some there is a reward ("damn those nets!!") | Dec 20 16:10 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: True | Dec 20 16:10 |
| schestowitz | We value life | Dec 20 16:10 |
| schestowitz | But not the injured | Dec 20 16:10 |
| schestowitz | unless they count as dead of vegetable | Dec 20 16:11 |
| XFaCE | I'm just saying that comparing Jobs to Kim is akin to comparing him to any other historical dictator | Dec 20 16:11 |
| schestowitz | So we convince ourselves that to be a slave is better than to not be born or to die | Dec 20 16:11 |
| XFaCE | I just don't it is necessary to place them in the same class, it just seems a little silly | Dec 20 16:11 |
| schestowitz | or that crimes of economic nature (like hedge funds) are not a big dead because "nobody dies" (actually, many do, but not directly) | Dec 20 16:11 |
| schestowitz | ask MinceR | Dec 20 16:11 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAzMDg | Dec 20 16:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [Phoronix] Phasing Out SysVInit In openSUSE Raises Concerns .::. Size~: 17.05 KB | Dec 20 16:12 |
| XFaCE | Oh, I don't underestimate what Jobs did negatively | Dec 20 16:12 |
| schestowitz | I think he has another perspective on worth of life relative to crimes that are committed that don't induce death | Dec 20 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | "Not until systemd can be proved to work correctly in all cases. So far, the track record is awful." "it is still alpha [quality] right now." "On one of my 64-bit systems, systemd would intermittently hang on boot and never succeed (I waited 2 hours one time.). The failure rate was about 2 in 5 tries." Etc... | Dec 20 16:12 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Dec 20 16:12 |
| schestowitz | it's an academic question really, not suitable for a one-minute slot in TV between commercials (concision) | Dec 20 16:13 |
| schestowitz | it's not about Jobs | Dec 20 16:13 |
| schestowitz | It's his culture | Dec 20 16:13 |
| schestowitz | And fellow billionaires who piggyback the cheap labour of others | Dec 20 16:13 |
| schestowitz | I chatted about this with a friend in a Chinese restaurant today... | Dec 20 16:13 |
| schestowitz | And how the staff is treated, how people like to exploit others, and the culture in his office (cliques) | Dec 20 16:14 |
| schestowitz | Society is a crazy place | Dec 20 16:14 |
| schestowitz | Be a Carlin | Dec 20 16:14 |
| schestowitz | Laugh at the bad things | Dec 20 16:14 |
| schestowitz | and take it easy | Dec 20 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65774-Phasing-Out-SysVInit-In-openSUSE-Raises-Concerns&p=242630#post242630 | Dec 20 16:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Phasing Out SysVInit In openSUSE Raises Concerns .::. Size~: 52.34 KB | Dec 20 16:14 |
| DaemonFC | he caught Phoronix lying by ommission again | Dec 20 16:14 |
| schestowitz | :/ | Dec 20 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTAyOTA | Dec 20 16:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: [Phoronix] Qt 4.8 Draws In Platform Abstraction, New WebKit .::. Size~: 16.42 KB | Dec 20 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | the other one I noticed was here | Dec 20 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | Digia, the firm handling the commercial version of this tool-kit, also announced the commercial version compared to the LGPL version of Qt 4.8; there's "108 improvements and bug fixes available in Qt Commercial 4.8.0 that are not part of the LGPL release." | Dec 20 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | you click the link and the real quote is | Dec 20 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | "I want to underline that this is not the intended way of differentiating our offering. Going forward I hope that we can be more aligned. I would like to see most of the current delta integrated to Qt by the time of 4.8.1, if it is possible." | Dec 20 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Dec 20 16:15 |
| DaemonFC | he's misrepresenting the truth | Dec 20 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | for what purpose, I don't know | Dec 20 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | but so far he's done it to make Qt and systemd look bad | Dec 20 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | he's made it seem like Qt is going open core and that the quality of systemd is crap | Dec 20 16:16 |
| DaemonFC | when neither one is true | Dec 20 16:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[zotz/@zotz] do the Free one's speak to the importance of the public's rights? All CC advertising I recall speaks to the creator's right to choose. | Dec 20 16:17 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://phoronix.com/forums/showthread.php?65774-Phasing-Out-SysVInit-In-openSUSE-Raises-Concerns&p=242635#post242635 | Dec 20 16:20 |
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| beenz | [11:07] <schestowitz> At least Kim did not say "thermonuclear" | Dec 20 16:25 |
| beenz | wrong lol | Dec 20 16:25 |
| beenz | kim jong ill has been threatening to nuke the united states and canada for years | Dec 20 16:25 |
| schestowitz | what were his exact words? | Dec 20 16:26 |
| beenz | ching choing ching bing chang choing ching | Dec 20 16:27 |
| schestowitz | "That's RACIST!!!" | Dec 20 16:27 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Dec 20 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | I love it | Dec 20 16:28 |
| DaemonFC | beenz: Did Microsoft offer him some expensive cognac while his people were starving to death for mentioning bing? | Dec 20 16:29 |
| beenz | yes | Dec 20 16:30 |
| beenz | he paid them with super dollars | Dec 20 16:30 |
| beenz | http://youtu.be/lxvsx4lMffk | Dec 20 16:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: North Korean Bodyguard Training for dictator Kim Jong-il - YouTube .::. Size~: 128.56 KB | Dec 20 16:32 |
| cubezzz | bing is going to be renamed to Ka-ching! | Dec 20 16:32 |
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| beenz | Bing Being Boeing Bang | Dec 20 16:36 |
| DaemonFC | SUPER dollars | Dec 20 16:37 |
| DaemonFC | isn't that what them Canadians are using? ;) | Dec 20 16:37 |
| beenz | no | Dec 20 16:49 |
| beenz | kim jong il stole a US money printing machine | Dec 20 16:49 |
| beenz | the products of that were termed super dollars | Dec 20 16:49 |
| beenz | perfect counterfeits | Dec 20 16:49 |
| schestowitz | He mass-printed with it | Dec 20 16:50 |
| schestowitz | to cause hyperinflation | Dec 20 16:50 |
| schestowitz | deflating the value of the USD :-) | Dec 20 16:50 |
| beenz | yup | Dec 20 16:50 |
| schestowitz | Biden would call it "high tech terrorism" | Dec 20 16:51 |
| beenz | exactly, his goal was to destroy capitalism but he wasn't smart enough to get around the UN | Dec 20 16:51 |
| beenz | the UN banned north korean exports and emmigration | Dec 20 16:51 |
| schestowitz | identica is down again | Dec 20 16:51 |
| MinceR | 172410 <@XFaCE> I'm just saying that comparing Jobs to Kim is akin to comparing him to any other historical dictator | Dec 20 16:51 |
| MinceR | it is what blow aspired to be, though | Dec 20 16:52 |
| beenz | diaspora isn't down | Dec 20 16:52 |
| MinceR | and given power he would have got there | Dec 20 16:52 |
| MinceR | and he was the dictator of an "ecosystem" | Dec 20 16:52 |
| beenz | he sure was a dictator | Dec 20 16:52 |
| beenz | authoritarian scum | Dec 20 16:53 |
| beenz | i jailbreak those ios devices for people | Dec 20 16:53 |
| beenz | civil disobedience | Dec 20 16:53 |
| MinceR | also, followers were brainwashed to worship their respective dictators as a god | Dec 20 16:54 |
| schestowitz | "Despicable. At the moment it seems that all that has happened in Egypt is the authorities removed the embarrassing figurehead, and all else has stayed the same." "god damn it, something is wrong with this world" https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1071996 | Dec 20 16:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 20 16:54 |
| beenz | what freaks me out the most is that microshaft will allow open source apps | Dec 20 16:54 |
| beenz | they must have an agenda | Dec 20 16:54 |
| beenz | perhaps, using a style from "Antitrust" the movie to steal code | Dec 20 16:55 |
| MinceR | they probably won't allow copyleft though | Dec 20 16:55 |
| beenz | OSI approved licenses | Dec 20 16:55 |
| beenz | GPL is one | Dec 20 16:56 |
| MinceR | they might simply be trying to move the community from GPL to BSDL | Dec 20 16:56 |
| MinceR | which platform are we talking about? :) | Dec 20 16:56 |
| beenz | the article I saw said OSI approved licenses | Dec 20 16:56 |
| beenz | which excludes free software licenses without lobbys | Dec 20 16:56 |
| MinceR | crApple-style crApp Stores often have language that effectively bans copyleft licenses, though usually not directly | Dec 20 16:56 |
| beenz | I couldn't invent my own license and use it on microsofts store | Dec 20 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/El-Masri_v._Tenet#Arson_incident_and_other_legal_troubles | Dec 20 16:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Khalid El-Masri - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 110.18 KB | Dec 20 16:57 |
| beenz | i would have to pick an authorized open source license | Dec 20 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | On May 17, 2007, El-Masri was arrested on suspicion of arson. According to Die Welt Online (in German) the problem arose over a dispute over an iPod that El-Masri had bought at a METRO warehouse club store back in April in the Bavarian city of Neu-Ulm.[46] He claimed the iPod malfunctioned just hours after purchase. When he tried to return it, the store refused, and the situation escalated into a shouting match. El-Masri spat in the face of a | Dec 20 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | female employee, and was barred from the store. On May 17, 2007, El-Masri kicked in a door of the Metro store and used gasoline to start a fire. The fire caused almost €90,000 in damages.[47] Nobody was hurt. El-Masri was arrested near the scene of the crime. After arrest, a judge ordered him held in a psychiatric hospital. | Dec 20 16:57 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't even want to target m$'s store at all | Dec 20 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | lol | Dec 20 16:57 |
| MinceR | they can go fuck themselves | Dec 20 16:57 |
| beenz | what if you're stuck using one for work? then all you get is shitty apps | Dec 20 16:58 |
| MinceR | DaemonFC: he should have just used the hypePod to start the fire instead :> | Dec 20 16:58 |
| MinceR | beenz: it depends | Dec 20 16:58 |
| beenz | vs apple, at least it will be VLC friendly | Dec 20 16:58 |
| MinceR | beenz: i can get away with doing most of my work on my own laptop which runs fedora :> | Dec 20 16:58 |
| beenz | good stuff | Dec 20 16:58 |
| MinceR | though i also have a virtualbox VM on the company-approved laptop running debian :> | Dec 20 16:59 |
| MinceR | (that is, debian is on the VM) | Dec 20 16:59 |
| beenz | i have a laptop running F16, netbook with jolios, server running centos 6.1 | Dec 20 16:59 |
| MinceR | i think i'll also have a 4.3" tablet running Angstrom GNU/Linux | Dec 20 17:00 |
| MinceR | :) | Dec 20 17:00 |
| beenz | debian is fast | Dec 20 17:00 |
| beenz | i was surprised | Dec 20 17:00 |
| beenz | it was also old | Dec 20 17:00 |
| schestowitz | Patents on Software, Life, or Both | Dec 20 17:00 |
| schestowitz | http://techrights.org/2011/12/20/us-nz-and-europe/ #swpats #patents #uspto #scotus | Dec 20 17:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Patents on Software, Life, or Both | Techrights .::. Size~: 83.92 KB | Dec 20 17:00 |
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| beenz | I think scientists would sequence the genome a lot faster without windows pc's | Dec 20 17:02 |
| beenz | which seems to be what they are using | Dec 20 17:02 |
| beenz | I think I will write rms an email about it, its a huge issue | Dec 20 17:03 |
| beenz | windows is bottlenecking genomics | Dec 20 17:04 |
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| beenz | I might setup a diaspora tor pod | Dec 20 18:09 |
| schestowitz | tor? as topic? | Dec 20 18:17 |
| schestowitz | or access protocol? | Dec 20 18:17 |
| schestowitz | "Many people believe SJ made their lives better, rightly or wrongly." https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1072040 | Dec 20 18:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 20 18:18 |
| schestowitz | For many children in China, Steve Jobs made life a living Hell, worse than death by some accounts (but they have nets to prevent suicides) Apple actively covered this up. | Dec 20 18:19 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1072772 "Bad for democracy as well as the individual." | Dec 20 18:29 |
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| schestowitz | Very cool http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diffusion_wavelets#cite_note-6 | Dec 20 18:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Diffusion wavelets - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 37.24 KB | Dec 20 18:38 |
| schestowitz | 2+-d wavelets | Dec 20 18:38 |
| MinceR | http://torrentfreak.com/riaa-and-homeland-security-caught-downloading-torrents-111217/ http://gizmodo.com/5869321/dear-recording-industry-pay-9-million-for-pirating-tv-shows-or-shut-up | Dec 20 18:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 20 18:41 |
| schestowitz | "North Korea has the fifth largest army in the world. The fourth must be Apple and Microsoft's TEs." https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1072314 | Dec 20 18:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The RIAA Pirated $9 Million Worth of TV Shows .::. Size~: 84.35 KB | Dec 20 18:41 |
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| schestowitz | "People in Korea believe that their government made things better. The parallels between cult grief for both leaders is striking." | Dec 20 18:42 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1070362 "It is nice to hear that feature is back. There was a theme for KDE 3.x that would download satellite photos. Has animated wallpaper gotten easier yet? The Elive people had some wonderful demonstrations years ago, but I never mastered it for myself." | Dec 20 18:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 20 18:44 |
| schestowitz | KDE has that globe-type background option as well | Dec 20 18:44 |
| schestowitz | #Identtca has been mostly down for the past 12 hours. DB issues and now just downtime. | Dec 20 18:47 |
| beenz | tor as in anonymity protocol | Dec 20 18:53 |
| schestowitz | better to make the pod anarchist-tolerant | Dec 20 19:00 |
| schestowitz | and with strong policy of data-shreding and no xss | Dec 20 19:00 |
| schestowitz | to welcome disucussion that is dodgy elsewhere | Dec 20 19:00 |
| schestowitz | *shredding | Dec 20 19:01 |
| schestowitz | when we are all kids we are taught not to even debate particular questions | Dec 20 19:01 |
| schestowitz | so most of us don't, even when the subject does merit debate and sometimes dissent | Dec 20 19:01 |
| schestowitz | The Web is becoming more hostile towards some views and tracking is on the rise, with wire-tapping made less cumbersome to perform | Dec 20 19:02 |
| schestowitz | We need more tor nodes | Dec 20 19:02 |
| schestowitz | to surf via nodes, like RMS does | Dec 20 19:02 |
| schestowitz | Then we cannot really be spied on, except when there's DPI | Dec 20 19:03 |
| schestowitz | So then we need to create our own ISPs and buy bandwidth or 'pipes' | Dec 20 19:03 |
| schestowitz | Someone recently gave a talk here on how to set up one's own ISP, using Free software | Dec 20 19:03 |
| schestowitz | One could use meshes | Dec 20 19:03 |
| schestowitz | but the govt. won't like it | Dec 20 19:04 |
| schestowitz | if you rallied to create a mesh in your neighbourhood and expand it | Dec 20 19:04 |
| schestowitz | they would probably label it "threat to national; security" or something | Dec 20 19:04 |
| schestowitz | Currently, personal communication means pen, paper, voice, and for that you have to meet in person. All the other stuff (tele-) is under heavy surveillance | Dec 20 19:05 |
| beenz | I saw a whitepaper on an idea of how to build something better than tor | Dec 20 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Which makes society more vulnerable to yet another Stasi, and one which has digital instruments to make its work more efficient | Dec 20 19:05 |
| schestowitz | Maybe when the govt. pulls a Mubarak people will understand it | Dec 20 19:06 |
| schestowitz | But by that point it will have been too late | Dec 20 19:06 |
| beenz | they pulled a mubarak and infiltrated the movement against him | Dec 20 19:06 |
| schestowitz | The infrastructure needs to be laid down before -- not after -- a state of "emergency" is declared and people are treated like cattle by cops or otherwise | Dec 20 19:06 |
| beenz | i fully agree | Dec 20 19:07 |
| schestowitz | all they have to do is pull the phone and Internet system and then we lose all control of our tools and cannot even communicate, let alone aorganise | Dec 20 19:07 |
| beenz | anarchy is a system that the bankers and governments can't co-opt because there is no replacement government to take over | Dec 20 19:07 |
| schestowitz | We gave a lot of power to them | Dec 20 19:07 |
| beenz | i believe it goes deeper than us just giving them power | Dec 20 19:08 |
| schestowitz | people are not good at letting power go | Dec 20 19:08 |
| schestowitz | People are good at gaining power | Dec 20 19:08 |
| beenz | all the revolutions of the past just brought us different controllers | Dec 20 19:08 |
| schestowitz | it's in their DNA | Dec 20 19:08 |
| schestowitz | Then they can pretend to give | Dec 20 19:08 |
| schestowitz | if it gives them more poer | Dec 20 19:08 |
| schestowitz | case of point: billG | Dec 20 19:08 |
| schestowitz | He 'gives' only to get powerful | Dec 20 19:09 |
| schestowitz | political, lobbying, PR, reputation laundering, electability... | Dec 20 19:09 |
| schestowitz | There's no giving there at all | Dec 20 19:09 |
| beenz | there are people who are hypocrites. they have no problem accepting lobbyists control politicians, then they go out and vote for different politicians who get purchased | Dec 20 19:09 |
| schestowitz | I can't recall who said it, but people don't let go of power once they get it | Dec 20 19:09 |
| schestowitz | they might substitute and exchange power sources | Dec 20 19:10 |
| beenz | power corrupts | Dec 20 19:10 |
| MinceR | power corrupts. absolute power is kind of neat. :> | Dec 20 19:10 |
| schestowitz | money-politician-PR-gold-state | Dec 20 19:10 |
| schestowitz | monkeys cannot gain power over 1 million apes | Dec 20 19:10 |
| beenz | the media used to report on the misdeeds of government and without a bias | Dec 20 19:10 |
| schestowitz | they're not organised like homo sapients are | Dec 20 19:11 |
| beenz | now they report on the misdeeds to promote other people who would do the same | Dec 20 19:11 |
| schestowitz | They also don't have clergy | Dec 20 19:11 |
| schestowitz | they have no media conglomerates and peers who run them | Dec 20 19:11 |
| schestowitz | So they can't manufacture consent or build a pyramid higher than alpha and non-alpha ,male | Dec 20 19:11 |
| MinceR | http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Nokia-with-Windows-Phone/Nokia-Lumia-800-Nokia-comments-on-battery-life-concerns/td-p/1250749 | Dec 20 19:12 |
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| schestowitz | idenrica is still down, so I don't want to go through news, the whole pipeline is broken | Dec 20 19:13 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: stick a new battery and the lumia is back to business | Dec 20 19:13 |
| MinceR | ur1.ca is down as well | Dec 20 19:13 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: at 65535% charge? :> | Dec 20 19:13 |
| beenz | I wonder if all of canada is down right now | Dec 20 19:13 |
| beenz | their fascist controller might have turned off the internets | Dec 20 19:14 |
| schestowitz | the lumia is made of plastic | Dec 20 19:14 |
| beenz | the lumina, runnings windoz | Dec 20 19:14 |
| schestowitz | it's not down down | Dec 20 19:14 |
| schestowitz | I think a DB issue | Dec 20 19:14 |
| schestowitz | I just do 'real' work (paid) in the mean time | Dec 20 19:15 |
| schestowitz | mostly research work | Dec 20 19:15 |
| schestowitz | Just read on Fourier | Dec 20 19:15 |
| schestowitz | and diffusion geometry | Dec 20 19:15 |
| schestowitz | we used heat kernels to compred surfaces in R^3 | Dec 20 19:16 |
| schestowitz | *compare | Dec 20 19:16 |
| schestowitz | mat1 = spdiags(ones(n_pt,1),0,n_pt,n_pt); | Dec 20 19:16 |
| schestowitz | mat1(:,i)=-ones(n_pt,1); | Dec 20 19:16 |
| schestowitz | mat1(i,i) = 0; | Dec 20 19:16 |
| schestowitz | dist = (mat1 * evecs).^2*exp(-2*t*evals); | Dec 20 19:16 |
| beenz | to what end is that research? | Dec 20 19:18 |
| schestowitz | nobody tried it before | Dec 20 19:18 |
| schestowitz | I tested feasibility on two 8-core ubuntu servers | Dec 20 19:18 |
| schestowitz | Some companies get better performance, but they have a lot more time to refine it and their algo is more sophisticated, with stuff that they patented heavily | Dec 20 19:19 |
| schestowitz | there are many US patents on appliesm geometry | Dec 20 19:20 |
| schestowitz | it's madness! | Dec 20 19:20 |
| schestowitz | *applied | Dec 20 19:20 |
| schestowitz | "3-D you can't use" | Dec 20 19:20 |
| schestowitz | Just label is "invention" and you're God.... owning what's universal across 100 million suns | Dec 20 19:21 |
| schestowitz | Drake Equation should be renamed Drek Equation because all it eventually quantifies is the number of rocks with ****ty lice like ourselves on it, pretending we're the centre of the universe, the most precious thing to ever exist, and superior to all other rock lice | Dec 20 19:23 |
| schestowitz | Planet Earth.... where STEVE JOBS is from. Shiiiny. To not be nihilistic is to admire strangers whom we never met and clamour for brand. :-) :-) | Dec 20 19:27 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1072040 | Dec 20 19:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 20 19:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 20 19:29 |
| schestowitz | I'm interested to know why, Apple stuff was bad when, say, MSI mobos (also made by Foxconn) aren't necessarily. I too read reports of attempted & successful suicides in the Foxconn factories over the last few years.Is there a lot more to this, and do you have substantiated evidence? | Dec 20 19:29 |
| schestowitz | I wonder if we're all somewhat guilty here in the west, of buying cheap Chinese products eagerly, rather than asking 'how can this be made so cheaply AND shipped all the way here for nothing'? | Dec 20 19:29 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 20 19:29 |
| schestowitz | Wonder this, like... now? | Dec 20 19:29 |
| schestowitz | it's the holiday of consumerism :-) | Dec 20 19:29 |
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| schestowitz | This is the time of the year when the most processed plastic with chunks of metal in it comes across the seas in massive containers | Dec 20 19:30 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1072040 | Dec 20 19:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 20 19:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 20 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Those things are bad, Toni, and trade policy should consider human rights issues. Slave labor degrades everyone. | Dec 20 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Apple's iProducts are worse than other general purpose computers because they directly attack the rights of the purchaser as well. The Windows 8 Logo program will bring such jails to the x86 world and those computers will be bad in the same way. | Dec 20 19:39 |
| schestowitz | " | Dec 20 19:39 |
| schestowitz | Single-purpose computing in general | Dec 20 19:39 |
| schestowitz | like xbox, ps3 | Dec 20 19:39 |
| schestowitz | disposable junk | Dec 20 19:39 |
| schestowitz | and planned obsolescence | Dec 20 19:39 |
| schestowitz | more purchasing and repurchasing of the same atoms restructured => more money changing hanss => more tax | Dec 20 19:40 |
| schestowitz | and more labour, too | Dec 20 19:40 |
| schestowitz | keeping people distracted and unable to fight class war | Dec 20 19:40 |
| cubezzz | we should all buy amigas | Dec 20 19:54 |
| cubezzz | I know I did | Dec 20 19:54 |
| MinceR | what for? | Dec 20 19:54 |
| cubezzz | For Great Computing | Dec 20 19:54 |
| cubezzz | also very repairable | Dec 20 19:55 |
| gnufreex | cubezzz: this new one http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AmigaOne_X1000 | Dec 20 19:57 |
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| gnufreex | ? | Dec 20 19:58 |
| cubezzz | hmmm, I haven't heard much about the X1000 lately | Dec 20 19:58 |
| MinceR | what's so great about it? | Dec 20 19:58 |
| cubezzz | gnufreex, yeah and there's the SAM boards, which appear on ebay | Dec 20 19:58 |
| gnufreex | It runs AmigaOS... and has PowerPC cpu | Dec 20 19:58 |
| MinceR | why not run GNU/Linux on a Lemote? | Dec 20 19:59 |
| gnufreex | So it is not x86, that made me interested. | Dec 20 19:59 |
| MinceR | instead | Dec 20 19:59 |
| MinceR | or on an ARM-based machine | Dec 20 19:59 |
| gnufreex | MinceR: That is also good idea | Dec 20 19:59 |
| MinceR | (tablet or Raspberry Pi or FXI (or what it's called)) | Dec 20 19:59 |
| cubezzz | you guys are missing one big point | Dec 20 19:59 |
| cubezzz | some of the amigas had almost every chip socketed | Dec 20 19:59 |
| MinceR | are they still making those chips? | Dec 20 20:00 |
| cubezzz | and _everything_ was documented | Dec 20 20:00 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't mind having the ability to make a free hw PC from scratch | Dec 20 20:01 |
| MinceR | but i can't make chips :> | Dec 20 20:01 |
| cubezzz | I doubt anyone is making those chips, so we would have to use old chips | Dec 20 20:01 |
| MinceR | you'll run out of old chips :> | Dec 20 20:01 |
| cubezzz | but Commodore make millions of amiga 500's | Dec 20 20:01 |
| cubezzz | so I should be ok for a long time | Dec 20 20:01 |
| cubezzz | made | Dec 20 20:01 |
| cubezzz | MinceR, there's reimplementions of amiga too | Dec 20 20:02 |
| MinceR | what are they called? | Dec 20 20:02 |
| cubezzz | Minimig is one | Dec 20 20:02 |
| gnufreex | MinceR: Is there any dual core lemote laptops? | Dec 20 20:03 |
| gnufreex | Or ARM | Dec 20 20:03 |
| cubezzz | and Natami | Dec 20 20:03 |
| cubezzz | probably Natami will be better | Dec 20 20:03 |
| cubezzz | but Minimig is available now | Dec 20 20:04 |
| cubezzz | MinceR, probably the best idea is to make your own computer but obviously that will take much more effort | Dec 20 20:04 |
| cubezzz | that's what micros were like in the mid-to-late 70's | Dec 20 20:05 |
| MinceR | gnufreex: i don't know about Lemote/Yeeloong/Loongson, but there are multicore ARM tablets | Dec 20 20:07 |
| cubezzz | I have a number of boring ol' p3 systems running different operating systems | Dec 20 20:07 |
| cubezzz | but really, the amiga 500 is a lot more fun to use | Dec 20 20:07 |
| gnufreex | MinceR: I don't like Tablets. I want full sized laptop | Dec 20 20:07 |
| MinceR | smartbooks seem to be very rare | Dec 20 20:08 |
| cubezzz | if you just want a well supported *nix laptop, I would suggest Panasonic Toughbook | Dec 20 20:08 |
| cubezzz | lots of used ones around | Dec 20 20:08 |
| cubezzz | the Dell D610 isn't bad either | Dec 20 20:09 |
| MinceR | gnufreex: https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Smartbook | Dec 20 20:09 |
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| MinceR | apparently there were plans to build ARM-based Chromebooks too | Dec 20 20:10 |
| cubezzz | you might even be able to run coreboot on X60 | Dec 20 20:10 |
| gnufreex | MinceR: That is still too small for me. I want normal Laptop, just with non-x86 CPU. | Dec 20 20:11 |
| cubezzz | ok, then you want sparcbook :) | Dec 20 20:11 |
| gnufreex | That would be nice | Dec 20 20:11 |
| gnufreex | But it is dead | Dec 20 20:11 |
| gnufreex | Larry killed it. | Dec 20 20:11 |
| cubezzz | amiga is sort of dead too, but I still use it | Dec 20 20:11 |
| MinceR | hm, there's the Eee Pad Transformer | Dec 20 20:12 |
| MinceR | which does have a keyboard | Dec 20 20:12 |
| MinceR | https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/ASUS_Eee_Pad_Transformer | Dec 20 20:12 |
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| MinceR | dual-core Nvidia Tegra 2 (ARM arch) | Dec 20 20:13 |
| cubezzz | getting away from x86 is hard | Dec 20 20:13 |
| iophk | Lemote makes some nice MIPS based units. | Dec 20 20:16 |
| zoobab | transformer has a signed bootloader | Dec 20 20:17 |
| zoobab | a pain to put your own kernel over there | Dec 20 20:17 |
| cubezzz | Thinkpad X60 is my next purchase I think | Dec 20 20:18 |
| MinceR | used? | Dec 20 20:18 |
| cubezzz | I realize it's still x86 based, but it's still pretty good | Dec 20 20:18 |
| cubezzz | yeah | Dec 20 20:18 |
| iophk | How will you avoid the Windows tax on the Thinkpad? | Dec 20 20:18 |
| cubezzz | used :) | Dec 20 20:19 |
| cubezzz | I'll find some X60 without a harddrive | Dec 20 20:19 |
| cubezzz | I have a couple of extra laptop drives | Dec 20 20:19 |
| schestowitz | hitachi? | Dec 20 20:22 |
| schestowitz | ibm used those at the time | Dec 20 20:22 |
| schestowitz | not sure what lenovo chooses | Dec 20 20:22 |
| beenz | there was a really good MIPS android 4 tablet | Dec 20 20:23 |
| MinceR | they still use hitachi | Dec 20 20:23 |
| cubezzz | the laptop drives are fairly interchangeable I've found | Dec 20 20:23 |
| MinceR | my X220i Tablet has one | Dec 20 20:23 |
| MinceR | yes, they're standard | Dec 20 20:23 |
| cubezzz | yeah one is hitachi | Dec 20 20:24 |
| cubezzz | there's SATA laptop drives now | Dec 20 20:24 |
| cubezzz | but I assume X60 must use the 2.5" IDE | Dec 20 20:25 |
| schestowitz | http://status.net/open-source is also down | Dec 20 20:31 |
| schestowitz | maybe not a DB issue after all | Dec 20 20:31 |
| schestowitz | http://twitter.com/statusnet | Dec 20 20:31 |
| schestowitz | No status message from sytatusnet :-) | Dec 20 20:31 |
| schestowitz | sites all b0rked | Dec 20 20:31 |
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| iophk | bugzilla.kernel.org is still down | Dec 20 20:37 |
| schestowitz | maybe suspect for holes? | Dec 20 20:37 |
| schestowitz | or maybe not restored after rebuilding from scratch | Dec 20 20:38 |
| iophk | It's probably one or the other or both. | Dec 20 20:38 |
| iophk | But it's been a very long time. | Dec 20 20:38 |
| schestowitz | !google microsoft attacks slated | Dec 20 20:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - When Microsoft Attacks | Slated | http://slated.org/when_microsoft_attacks | Dec 20 20:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Slated | You can run, but you can't hide | http://slated.org/ | Dec 20 20:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Marti van Lin - Google+ | https://plus.google.com/103234494632951147878 | Dec 20 20:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - M$ Attacks Slated at Robert Pogson | http://mrpogson.com/2011/12/16/m-attacks-slated/ | Dec 20 20:38 |
| schestowitz | MS workstations (IP is one ms way) hacking ms antagonists | Dec 20 20:39 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1072040 "I love Apple bashing as much as the next person, and I don't subscribe to the knee-jerk opinions prescribed by the Western Media, but I recommend "Nothing to Envy: Ordinary Lives in North Korea" by Barbara Demick to anyone who thinks that the vile nature of the North Korean regime is being exaggerated" | Dec 20 20:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 20 20:39 |
| schestowitz | hmm... MArti is on GooglePuss | Dec 20 20:40 |
| MinceR | "hacking" seems to be the wrong word there | Dec 20 20:40 |
| iophk | gtg | Dec 20 20:40 |
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| schestowitz | Re: I just got hacked by Microsoft | Dec 20 20:41 |
| schestowitz | > Seriously. | Dec 20 20:41 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 20 20:41 |
| schestowitz | > [quote] | Dec 20 20:41 |
| schestowitz | > Like many sites, Slated is under constant attack, mostly from bots | Dec 20 20:41 |
| schestowitz | > running on compromised Windows machines, but most of those attacks are | Dec 20 20:41 |
| schestowitz | > purely opportunistic and random, or in other words aren't actually | Dec 20 20:41 |
| schestowitz | > targeting Slated for any particular reason. But every now and then I | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > discover something in the server logs that suggests otherwise. | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > Today was one of those days. | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > What aroused my suspicion wasn't so much the nature of the attack, but | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > the source. | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > Typepage not found | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > DateSaturday, 10 December 2011 - 1:43pm | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > UserAnony Mouse | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > Location http://slated.org/xgl_on_fc5%3C/function.htmlspecialchars | Dec 20 20:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Error processing the URL: HTTP/1.1 404 Not Found | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > Referrer | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > Messagexgl_on_fc5</function.htmlspecialchars | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > Severity warning | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > Hostname 207.46.204.234 | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > The hack itself is a failed attempt at an XSS (Cross-Site Scripting) | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > injection, neutered by security mechanisms built into Drupal. | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > What I find far more interesting is the IP address of this hacker: | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > whois 207.46.204.234 | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > ... | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > OrgName: Microsoft Corp | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > OrgId: MSFT | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > Address: One Microsoft Way | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > City: Redmond | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > StateProv: WA | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > PostalCode: 98052 | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > Country: US | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > ... | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > Perhaps this "hack" is nothing more than yet another compromised Windows | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > PC inside Microsoft's Redmond HQ, or maybe it's something more sinister, | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > but either way someone or something on Microsoft's network just attacked | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > Slated. | Dec 20 20:42 |
| MinceR | that's "cracking" and "cracker" | Dec 20 20:42 |
| schestowitz | > [/quote] | Dec 20 20:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 20 20:43 |
| schestowitz | > http://slated.org/when_microsoft_attacks | Dec 20 20:43 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 20 20:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: When Microsoft Attacks | Slated .::. Size~: 20 KB | Dec 20 20:43 |
| schestowitz | > If this does turn out to be anything other than a Windows zombie in | Dec 20 20:43 |
| schestowitz | > Redmond HQ, then Microsoft is guilty of violating the US Computer Fraud | Dec 20 20:43 |
| schestowitz | > and Abuse Act. | Dec 20 20:43 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Dec 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz | > Because evil bastards enjoy sneering at their victims. | Dec 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz | > | Dec 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz | > Bloggers like me are a hot enough topic that Microsoft spends millions | Dec 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz | > every year on a "Perception Management" team, and "Guerilla Marketing" | Dec 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz | > companies like Burson-Marsteller, who employ thugs like him to harass, | Dec 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz | > stalk and attack anyone who dares criticise Microsoft's corruption, so | Dec 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz | > I wouldn't be surprised if they paid him to hack Websites too. | Dec 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz | i don't think it's MS | Dec 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz | not too likely | Dec 20 20:44 |
| schestowitz | but possible | Dec 20 20:44 |
| MinceR | i think the most likely explanation is winblows zombies at m$ | Dec 20 20:48 |
| schestowitz | Aren't they all? | Dec 20 20:49 |
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| schestowitz | Latest Examples of Patents Culture Takeover http://techrights.org/2011/12/20/parasites-and-trolls/ #swpats #uspto | Dec 20 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | OSChoice Addresses #Microsoft Bundling Against Choice http://techrights.org/2011/12/20/choice-and-unfair-competition/ #eu #linux | Dec 20 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | More Trouble for FOSS and the Presence of Former #Microsoft http://techrights.org/2011/12/20/ms-fud-with-a-straight-face/ #openlogic | Dec 20 21:03 |
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| schestowitz | Patents on Software, Life, or Both http://techrights.org/2011/12/20/us-nz-and-europe/ #nz #europe #us | Dec 20 21:04 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1072040 "The nastiness of tyranny is why we must oppose it where we live. The power non free software exerts over people enables bullies. Already, non free software has been used to throw elections and this is part of the reason the US is looking at SOPA and NDAA, bills that reduce us to a censored martial law." | Dec 20 21:44 |
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| schestowitz | #Pardus Wallpaper paradise http://is.gd/xymKNt #gnu #linux | Dec 20 21:47 |
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| schestowitz | What's the best Linux desktop environment? http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/what-s-the-best-linux-desktop-environment--1045280?artc_pg=1 #gnu #linux | Dec 20 21:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: What's the best Linux desktop environment? | News | TechRadar .::. Size~: 73.49 KB | Dec 20 21:52 |
| MinceR | the one that isn't mentioned in the article | Dec 20 21:53 |
| schestowitz | Open source exceeds Munich's expectations http://is.gd/yv5W2i #munich #gnu #linux | Dec 20 21:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Open source exceeds Munich's expectations - Penguin in our time | TechEye .::. Size~: 21.38 KB | Dec 20 21:54 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: which one? lxde? | Dec 20 21:55 |
| schestowitz | http://www.h-online.com/open/features/LXDE-and-Xfce-the-other-desktops-1392504.html | Dec 20 21:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: LXDE and Xfce – the other desktops - The H Open Source: News and Features .::. Size~: 43.09 KB | Dec 20 21:56 |
| schestowitz | Red Hat: ARM in Linux Is Not Ready for Prime Time http://is.gd/cKwJh4 #arm #linux | Dec 20 22:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Red Hat: ARM in Linux Is Not Ready for Prime Time - InternetNews. .::. Size~: 32.03 KB | Dec 20 22:07 |
| schestowitz | re identica: "It was my understanding they had been DDoSed? Maybe some has been exaggerating a bit ;-)" | Dec 20 22:10 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1072926 | Dec 20 22:10 |
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| schestowitz | "For me right now XFCE4! Change in this are should be gradual." https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1073889 | Dec 20 22:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 20 22:11 |
| schestowitz | "I'm using Unity right now (cause I hadn't much time when I installed my System) but I want to change from Ubuntu to Gentoo and from Unity to a minimal version of openbox in christmas holidays"https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1073889 | Dec 20 22:14 |
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| schestowitz | Firefox 9 unofficially released, JavaScript performance improved by 20-30% http://is.gd/QgLv5Z #mozilla #firefox | Dec 20 22:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Firefox 9 unofficially released, JavaScript performance improved by 20-30% | ExtremeTech .::. Size~: 48.28 KB | Dec 20 22:15 |
| schestowitz | User interface familiarity breeds contentment http://is.gd/iKLWVK #desktop #linux | Dec 20 22:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: User interface familiarity breeds contentment | Linux User .::. Size~: 51.2 KB | Dec 20 22:21 |
| schestowitz | Five Last-Minute Gifts for Open Source Fans http://is.gd/Br5x7U #foss #freedom | Dec 20 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Five Last-Minute Gifts for Open Source Fans | PCWorld Business Center .::. Size~: 83.68 KB | Dec 20 22:22 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: i meant XFCE. though LXDE is probably also more usable than the major ones | Dec 20 22:23 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1072040 "OK - put it another way - why is Apple hardware manufacturing by Foxconn evil when they make all kinds of other computer hardware too. The Apple walled garden model won't make employees commit suicide, even if the OS frustrates me so much that I want to hit my Macbook (I use OSX, windows and Linux on various machines - software is just code, and it's only people that use it for good or bad)." | Dec 20 22:27 |
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| *schestowitz listens to Ukranian rap to forget about identica DDOS/downtime | Dec 20 22:28 | |
| schestowitz | Stupid headlien http://www.linuxinsider.com/rsstory/74010.html | Dec 20 22:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Linux News: Security: Can Amazon Save Android From Malware Hell? .::. Size~: 60.92 KB | Dec 20 22:29 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1072040 "The American security services also use linux" | Dec 20 22:31 |
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| schestowitz | http://www.freesoftwaremagazine.com/articles/exploitation_entrepreneurship_capitalism_and_making_money_free_software | Dec 20 22:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Exploitation? Entrepreneurship, Capitalism, and Making Money on Free Software .::. Size~: 59.25 KB | Dec 20 22:32 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1073889 "KDE 4 for me. Best workflow management, best fonts, reliable, stable and helpful. Does what I need in a way that I like." word up | Dec 20 22:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @: | Dec 20 22:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.muktware.com/bitsnbytes/3118/amarok-25-released-can-run-windows-well | Dec 20 22:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Amarok 2.5 Released, Can Run On Windows As Well | Muktware .::. Size~: 34.25 KB | Dec 20 22:36 |
| *MinceR is listening to: Lewis Gray - Sanxion 2002 | Dec 20 22:37 | |
| schestowitz | Class War: Low Wages and Beggar Thy Neighbor http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFKzAAd_1W8 #economy #eu | Dec 20 22:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Class War: Low Wages and Beggar Thy Neighbor - YouTube .::. Size~: 128.97 KB | Dec 20 22:52 |
| schestowitz | Links 20/12/2011: Red Hat Results, Mageia 2.0 Alpha 2, Firefox 9 http://is.gd/2EuRjz #techrights | Dec 20 22:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Links 20/12/2011: Red Hat Results, Mageia 2.0 Alpha 2, Firefox 9 | Techrights .::. Size~: 106.26 KB | Dec 20 22:56 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1072314 "Interesting article in todays Times by someone who had travelled in North Korea. Assuming one is allowed to read and make your own mind up about articles in Rupe's organs, that is." | Dec 20 22:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Accedi .::. Size~: 8.71 KB | Dec 20 22:59 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1073889 "KDE Plasma ftw, no doubt :D" | Dec 20 22:59 |
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| schestowitz | "Very nice!. I have an Arch box with MythTV hooked up to the TV. But its XFCE desktop doesn't look as nice as you KDE desktop. " https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1074051 | Dec 20 23:20 |
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| schestowitz | "Too bad it's a CRT tv, not a Plasma TV... running KDE Plasma :P " | Dec 20 23:21 |
| schestowitz | :-0 | Dec 20 23:21 |
| schestowitz | gn | Dec 20 23:21 |
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| MinceR | gn | Dec 20 23:52 |
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