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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @Choisissez @jenssegers @hannesvdvreken en ik ben nu al moe! | Mar 24 00:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @hannesvdvreken @Choisissez @jenssegers idem! | Mar 24 00:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @ahtanu dus ge komt af? | Mar 24 00:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @ahtanu Verkeerd antwoord. Wacht, ik probeer nog eens: Dus, ge komt af? // @tmdpw | Mar 24 00:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @ahtanu ze me niet dat jij dat niet hebt zien passeren op twitter ;) // @tmdpw | Mar 24 00:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @tmdpw nopes! Op 14 studenten, daar sluiten we de inschrijvingen af | Mar 24 00:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @JozefColpaert: Meet me at LEARNING THROUGH SHARING: OPEN RESOURCES, PRACTICES & COMMUNICATION U http://ur1. ... | Mar 24 00:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @RenzoVerleysen @tmdpw Had eigenlijk wel nog eens een student-ondernemer willen ontmoeten. Ik vind dat http://ur1. ... | Mar 24 00:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @RenzoVerleysen Wacht dan maar tot je geen student meer bent en toch nog ondernemer. Het wordt alleen m http://ur1. ... | Mar 24 00:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @JozefColpaert Zo roepen | Mar 24 00:05 | |
| formic_ | Noob | Mar 24 00:06 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @tmdpw Je wordt toch heel erg bedankt, maar een nieuwe lumia zit er niet in ;-) | Mar 24 00:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @LastGunky hey! @bramus zei dat jij wel eens geïnteresseerd zou kunnen zijn in studentenjob/stagecontract? | Mar 24 00:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @tmdpw aww | Mar 24 00:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @RenzoVerleysen @tmdpw ha! En hij heeft toch jou niet kunnen overhalen? | Mar 24 00:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @RenzoVerleysen Over sociale bijdragen zagen, dat vind ik maar flauw eigenlijk. Er zijn leukere dingen http://ur1. ... | Mar 24 00:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[creativecommons/@creativecommons] CC is looking for a summer intern! For those with a passion for open culture and community http://ur1.ca/8sczs | Mar 24 00:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Google patents advertising tailored to the background sounds in phone calls | Mail Online http://goo.gl/Oyj1f #privacy | Mar 24 00:28 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Fidel Castro: The Burial Of Our Species. The Roads Leading to Disaster : Information Clearing House http://goo.gl/wKYGT | Mar 24 00:47 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !gnu !linuxlibre 3.2.13-gnu and 3.0.26-gnu sources are now available | Mar 24 01:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !gnu !linuxlibre I also fixed a thinko in deblob-main that caused interrupts before signing to wipe everything out | Mar 24 01:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] !gnu !linuxlibre and also a few mis-updated false positive rules that caused earlier releases to fail deblob-check | Mar 24 01:02 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: @p_vanostaeyen joa zenne | Mar 24 01:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] 10 Most Obscene Lifestyles Choices of America's 1% Elite | Economy | AlterNet http://goo.gl/8DZo1 #crooks and #criminals | Mar 24 01:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] !Listening to Jimmy Buffett's "Bob Roberts Society Band" (too bad Jimmy doesn't use !cc ) #parrothead | Mar 24 01:22 | |
| *XFaCE gives voice to DaemonFC fewt schestowitz scientes | Mar 24 01:24 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTA3NjM | Mar 24 01:32 |
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| DaemonFC | Steam is coming to Linux again | Mar 24 01:32 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 24 01:33 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: Steam has come to GNU+Linux, by not coming | Mar 24 01:33 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: source engine this time. | Mar 24 01:33 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: in fact there is a steam for Linux is just not that useful. | Mar 24 01:33 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: only having game servers is not exactly what people want. | Mar 24 01:34 |
| XFaCE | oiaohm_: good point | Mar 24 01:34 |
| oiaohm_ | source engine + steam for Linux we might have something useful. | Mar 24 01:34 |
| XFaCE | and proprietary! Weee | Mar 24 01:35 |
| XFaCE | "No Linux client guys. | Mar 24 01:38 |
| XFaCE | I work at a game company, and we recently met with guys from Steam about integrating the Steam Workshop in a game. | Mar 24 01:38 |
| XFaCE | And we asked whether a Linux client for Steam would be released. | Mar 24 01:38 |
| XFaCE | The answer is no. Not enough players, a wide range of configurations to support, each having intrinsic differences... | Mar 24 01:38 |
| XFaCE | So NO. And NOT IN THE COMING YEARS. | Mar 24 01:38 |
| XFaCE | Michael, when will you stop with those stupid assumptions?" | Mar 24 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | apparently that Catalyst OpenCL 1.2 test driver is from their 12.4 branch | Mar 24 01:38 |
| DaemonFC | still no idea if it works on X.org Server 1.12 and I don't feel like finding out | Mar 24 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | I'll wait for someone to mention what that does | Mar 24 01:39 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: A bunch of Phoronix forum posters still use the idiot 1% GNU+linux usage number | Mar 24 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | that would be fewt and the cheesecake trolls | Mar 24 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | the ones that were beaten by their parents and secretly want to be little girls and that's why most of them use my little ponies avatars | Mar 24 01:41 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Brian Cox moves into an area he does not understand. See the latest BBC Click #antieducation | Mar 24 01:42 | |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: srsly | Mar 24 01:44 |
| XFaCE | ole fewt here is one of those trolls? | Mar 24 01:45 |
| DaemonFC | he's the head pony there | Mar 24 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | the other ponies want to be just like him | Mar 24 01:46 |
| DaemonFC | http://forums.fedoraforum.org/showthread.php?t=277966 | Mar 24 01:47 |
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| DaemonFC | https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Current_Release_Blockers | Mar 24 01:50 |
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| DaemonFC | most of these are GNOME Shell problems | Mar 24 01:50 |
| DaemonFC | they don't seem to test other desktops as thoroughly but KDE is currently working fine for me | Mar 24 01:50 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ml2mst/@ml2mst] I wonder why #EU doesn't invest in European companies like #Canonical in stead of playing lapdog to US #Microsoft Racket #taxwaste | Mar 24 01:52 | |
| DaemonFC | I guess they figure I can't hold out forever | Mar 24 01:53 |
| DaemonFC | tempting me with Web 3.4 | Mar 24 01:53 |
| DaemonFC | where I only have Web 2.0 | Mar 24 01:53 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[lxoliva/@lxoliva] ♻ @octaviotron: RT @debiansick Haz un lsof a tu vida y ve quiénes te están usando #ConsejoGeek | Mar 24 01:53 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.h-online.com/open/news/item/Glibc-2-15-released-with-optimisations-and-new-locales-1479196.html | Mar 24 01:55 |
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| DaemonFC | This release also adds four new locales, including support for the Native American Unami language, which, according to Wikipedia, is extinct. | Mar 24 01:55 |
| DaemonFC | If they have nothing better to do, then I'm sure Hurd could use some help | Mar 24 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 24 01:56 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] What really annoys me about George Bush jnr apart from the normalisation of torture is the parrot use of "folks" for people. | Mar 24 01:57 | |
| fewt | DaemonFC you realize I'm here right? | Mar 24 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Mar 24 01:57 |
| fewt | XFaCE DaemonFC is smoking something interesting tonight lol. | Mar 24 01:57 |
| *DaemonFC hands fewt and his pretty pretty princess ponies some hair brushes | Mar 24 01:58 | |
| DaemonFC | according to the commercials, that distracts them for a while | Mar 24 01:58 |
| fewt | uhh | Mar 24 01:58 |
| fewt | You haven't done all of your homework | Mar 24 01:59 |
| fewt | the only good MLP is a dead MLP. | Mar 24 01:59 |
| fewt | :) | Mar 24 01:59 |
| fewt | The 1% stat is actually around 1.5-2% now | Mar 24 01:59 |
| fewt | but hardly more than that | Mar 24 01:59 |
| fewt | Why you trollin, bro? | Mar 24 02:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] U.S. v. WikiLeaks: espionage and the First Amendment | MSNBC http://t.co/4i9eqSDT | Mar 24 02:00 | |
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| DaemonFC | with tablets and phones it does a lot better | Mar 24 02:00 |
| fewt | Tablets and Phones aren't Linux distributions though, they are Linux embedded devices and count as a different statistic | Mar 24 02:02 |
| fewt | That number is far beyond 1%, I'd honestly argue close to 50% of that space | Mar 24 02:02 |
| fewt | Desktop numbers aren't doing so well, Canonical doesn't publish them meaning whatever they say can't be fact-checked. The published stats are probably accurate within a small margin. | Mar 24 02:03 |
| fewt | Few to none of us change the user agent because we haven't had any reason to do so in 5 years. | Mar 24 02:03 |
| fewt | Anyone that says 5-10% or more is high on something | Mar 24 02:04 |
| fewt | the market penetration just isn't there | Mar 24 02:04 |
| fewt | That's not a "troll", it is a fact. | Mar 24 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | http://gs.statcounter.com/#browser-ww-monthly-200807-201203 | Mar 24 02:08 |
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| DaemonFC | that blue line is IE | Mar 24 02:08 |
| DaemonFC | doesn't seem like the IE 9 lie campaign has hurt the competition any | Mar 24 02:08 |
| DaemonFC | they even buy commercials on TV for that turd | Mar 24 02:09 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Protect your friends, protect Julian Assange | Stallman http://t.co/g5PtrZ6l | Mar 24 02:10 | |
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| DaemonFC | and IE is overrepresented on stat sites | Mar 24 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | I'd argue that even 20% might be too fair to them at this point | Mar 24 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | a lot of things lie and say they're IE, including antivirus link scanners that click on millions of links | Mar 24 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | and IE has no ad blocking that most people are going to find, configure, or use (none at all on IE 8 or older) | Mar 24 02:11 |
| DaemonFC | they probably paid AVG to create that linkscanner botnet to inflate IE numbers | Mar 24 02:12 |
| DaemonFC | since they have a hard time convincing real people to use IE | Mar 24 02:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] The Blair decade is on another channel now. I can't watch it in the same way I can't watch WW1 histories. | Mar 24 02:18 | |
| fewt | most people have smartened up and stopped using IE. That isn't a pro-Linux stat though | Mar 24 02:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[satipera/@satipera] Cliche alert "focussed" | Mar 24 02:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Good morning @lohang !tzag | Mar 24 02:57 | |
| XFaCE | fewt: Are you the maintainer of Fuduntu? | Mar 24 02:59 |
| XFaCE | are you Andrew Wyatt? | Mar 24 02:59 |
| XFaCE | well you are | Mar 24 02:59 |
| XFaCE | learn something new everyday | Mar 24 03:00 |
| DaemonFC | He's the maintainer of ZOMGPinkPoniesFudbuntuspireOS | Mar 24 03:00 |
| XFaCE | DaemonFC: It doesn't look THAT bad | Mar 24 03:01 |
| XFaCE | fewt: Except no XFCE, what's up wit dat? | Mar 24 03:01 |
| XFaCE | fewt: If you switched to XFCE, the GNOME 2 maintaining (future) issue would disapear! | Mar 24 03:01 |
| XFaCE | :) | Mar 24 03:01 |
| DaemonFC | he still clings to zombie GNOME 2 with some weird dock thing as the world moves on | Mar 24 03:02 |
| DaemonFC | XFaCE: The former CEO of Linspire is supporting Mitt Romney if anyone cares | Mar 24 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | they have much in common | Mar 24 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | dismantling companies and firing everyone | Mar 24 03:03 |
| XFaCE | Your right, I don't care. | Mar 24 03:03 |
| DaemonFC | I looked at his blog, nobody even comments there anymore | Mar 24 03:04 |
| XFaCE | What can he comment about? | Mar 24 03:04 |
| XFaCE | *blog about? | Mar 24 03:04 |
| DaemonFC | how is it possible for someone to never have one successful product and always have millions of dollars? | Mar 24 03:04 |
| DaemonFC | he's little more than a Ponzi scammer | Mar 24 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | "Oh look, I have something new for you to throw your investment money into!" | Mar 24 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | then he pays himself a truckload of money and eventually shuts the project down | Mar 24 03:05 |
| XFaCE | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Robertson_(businessman) ? | Mar 24 03:05 |
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| DaemonFC | there's too many people like that | Mar 24 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | no, Carmony | Mar 24 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | they're just as bad but they hate each others guts and have spent hundreds of thousands of dollars suing each other repeatedly | Mar 24 03:06 |
| fewt | XFaCE xfce 4.8 is in our repo, yum groupinstall xfce | Mar 24 03:06 |
| fewt | and yes, I am. | Mar 24 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | Jerry Jerry Jerry!!!! | Mar 24 03:06 |
| fewt | DaemonFC you seem to be on the good meds tonight. :) | Mar 24 03:07 |
| XFaCE | fewt: A) Is that XFCE package been changed at all to better fit in with Fuduntu or is just a generic package? | Mar 24 03:07 |
| XFaCE | fewt: B) You ARE transitioning to XFCE? | Mar 24 03:07 |
| fewt | A: it has been changed to fit with Fuduntu | Mar 24 03:07 |
| fewt | B: No, we'll be pulling patches down from RHEL for GNOME 2 | Mar 24 03:07 |
| XFaCE | I just realized, if you did, that would make a good successor or alternative to Dream Linux | Mar 24 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | I stayed with Mandrake during that time period but Linspire sent me a "free" CD to review | Mar 24 03:08 |
| fewt | since almost 100% of the software (that isn't GNOME base) still builds against GTK2 :) | Mar 24 03:08 |
| fewt | I spent a couple of weeks working on making sure XFCE was smooth on Fuduntu | Mar 24 03:08 |
| XFaCE | fewt: XFCE uses GTK2, better excuse pls :) | Mar 24 03:08 |
| fewt | but the community at large and the team decided against switching to it | Mar 24 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | I did send them back an email telling them they really didn't want me to review that | Mar 24 03:09 |
| XFaCE | fewt: darn | Mar 24 03:09 |
| XFaCE | You gotta give it a chance | Mar 24 03:09 |
| fewt | lol I wasn't making an excuse for that, we just like GNOME more than XFCE | Mar 24 03:09 |
| fewt | but XFCE is there and everyone can use it. :) | Mar 24 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | more C# in GNOME | Mar 24 03:09 |
| fewt | C#? | Mar 24 03:09 |
| XFaCE | mono | Mar 24 03:09 |
| fewt | DaemonFC I'm not even sure what that means | Mar 24 03:09 |
| XFaCE | fewt: rly? | Mar 24 03:10 |
| fewt | I'm familiar with C#, just not DaemonFCs reference lol | Mar 24 03:10 |
| XFaCE | m | Mar 24 03:10 |
| XFaCE | o | Mar 24 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | they were trying to kill off Rhythmbox and replace it with Banshee as an official GNOME program | Mar 24 03:10 |
| XFaCE | n | Mar 24 03:10 |
| XFaCE | o | Mar 24 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | until Red Hat stepped up and saved Rhythmbox | Mar 24 03:10 |
| fewt | lol I know what Mono is | Mar 24 03:10 |
| fewt | I wrote Jupiter ;) | Mar 24 03:10 |
| fewt | which is now Python lol | Mar 24 03:10 |
| fewt | was C# though | Mar 24 03:10 |
| XFaCE | Picard: You have commited an act of utter barbarity! | Mar 24 03:10 |
| fewt | I prefer Banshee to Rhythmbox | Mar 24 03:10 |
| DaemonFC | at least that takes care of the legal problems you were asking people to entangle themselves in to use it | Mar 24 03:11 |
| fewt | and Tomboy to gnote | Mar 24 03:11 |
| XFaCE | Sure, slow and bloated | Mar 24 03:11 |
| fewt | naah | Mar 24 03:11 |
| XFaCE | yeaah | Mar 24 03:11 |
| XFaCE | more memory usage | Mar 24 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | Banshee is freaking bloated | Mar 24 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | and it crashes a lot | Mar 24 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | and GTK# is barely maintained | Mar 24 03:11 |
| XFaCE | having used Windows for years, I can complain about ,NET, cause it really is crap | Mar 24 03:11 |
| fewt | You'd be surprised to find out that the Jupiter applet Python port is about 10MB more memory hungry than the C# applet | Mar 24 03:11 |
| DaemonFC | there hasn't been a major update to it since Novellsoft tanked | Mar 24 03:11 |
| fewt | same feature set too | Mar 24 03:12 |
| XFaCE | fewt: Err, doesn't take into acount the mono back end | Mar 24 03:12 |
| fewt | it does | Mar 24 03:12 |
| fewt | believe me, it does | Mar 24 03:12 |
| fewt | 12MB applet (c#) vs 21MB applet (Python) | Mar 24 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: That depends on a lot of things | Mar 24 03:12 |
| DaemonFC | but mainly the version of Python you use | Mar 24 03:12 |
| fewt | true, I wouldn't imply otherwise | Mar 24 03:12 |
| XFaCE | That's like me saying "Oooo, this .Net alternative is smaller! Oh, and here's your 100mb framework" | Mar 24 03:12 |
| fewt | My Banshee package is stable | Mar 24 03:12 |
| fewt | XFaCE I was including everything | Mar 24 03:13 |
| fewt | the whole in memory footprint | Mar 24 03:13 |
| fewt | Mono gets a bad rap. Sure, it's patent encumbered, I get that. | Mar 24 03:14 |
| fewt | but the technology is pretty sound | Mar 24 03:14 |
| fewt | anyway, I don't expect to convince you guys, just commenting is all. :) | Mar 24 03:15 |
| DaemonFC | telling people to use Mono is like a company saying their Linux port uses Wine | Mar 24 03:15 |
| fewt | I didn't tell anyone to use Mono | Mar 24 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | it's a copout to avoid having to write a proper port | Mar 24 03:16 |
| fewt | nor imply that it was ok | Mar 24 03:16 |
| fewt | DaemonFC you don't get to define what is a "proper port", unless you are the author. | Mar 24 03:16 |
| fewt | ;) | Mar 24 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | Google Picasa isn't | Mar 24 03:16 |
| DaemonFC | Google Earth most definitely isn't | Mar 24 03:16 |
| fewt | In your opinion | Mar 24 03:16 |
| fewt | also in your opinion | Mar 24 03:17 |
| fewt | and in mine too | Mar 24 03:17 |
| fewt | neither of which matter | Mar 24 03:17 |
| fewt | because we aren't the authors. | Mar 24 03:17 |
| DaemonFC | just the victim of something that nobody but Google can fix | Mar 24 03:18 |
| XFaCE | fewt: out of curiosity, does fuduntu include mono by default? | Mar 24 03:18 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wikileaks2/@wikileaks2] Great! How to survive interrogations http://t.co/RPRlBXht http://t.co/d2uO5gtl | Mar 24 03:18 | |
| fewt | It does because I include Tomboy and Banshee by default | Mar 24 03:18 |
| fewt | If something comes along that I feel is on par with Tomboy and Banshee, I'll replace them | Mar 24 03:19 |
| fewt | but I have no issue shipping Mono | Mar 24 03:19 |
| DaemonFC | that's what yum erase banshee tomboy --remove-leaves is for | Mar 24 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | or just installing Fedora in the first place | Mar 24 03:21 |
| fewt | DaemonFC sure, that's why there isn't a one distro fits all | Mar 24 03:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting audio/ogg type | Mar 24 03:22 |
| fewt | No one twists anyones arm and says use Fuduntu or we'll break your legs.. | Mar 24 03:22 |
| fewt | ;) | Mar 24 03:22 |
| DaemonFC | https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/Fedora/14/html/Software_Management_Guide/ch06s17.html | Mar 24 03:22 |
| XFaCE | fewt: "Re: Linux alternative to foobar player? | Mar 24 03:23 |
| XFaCE | DeadBeef, soon to be default on Lubuntu, seems like a good choice: | Mar 24 03:23 |
| XFaCE | http://lubuntu.net/blog/lubuntu-screencast-deadbeef | Mar 24 03:23 |
| XFaCE | http://deadbeef.sourceforge.net/" | Mar 24 03:23 |
| fewt | There is also nothing there that says you can't remove Mono. | Mar 24 03:23 |
| fewt | XFaCE I'll take a look at it. | Mar 24 03:23 |
| XFaCE | fewt: or http://code.google.com/p/quodlibet/ | Mar 24 03:23 |
| fewt | I'm not opposed to changing anything, as long as I find it provides value | Mar 24 03:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a web page! Aborting audio/ogg type | Mar 24 03:24 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: quodlibet - audio library tagger, manager, and player for GTK+ - Google Project Hosting .::. Size~: 13.56 KB | Mar 24 03:24 |
| fewt | actually I already ship deadbeef | Mar 24 03:24 |
| XFaCE | fewt: As for Tomboy, I don't do notes anyway | Mar 24 03:25 |
| fewt | latest version too | Mar 24 03:25 |
| fewt | I use Tomboy like crazy | Mar 24 03:25 |
| fewt | especially the note sync | Mar 24 03:25 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @x11r5: @sandersch Death is the latest | Mar 24 03:25 | |
| XFaCE | gnote is tomboy no? | Mar 24 03:25 |
| fewt | gnote is a clone that doesn't have all of the same features | Mar 24 03:25 |
| fewt | like note sync | Mar 24 03:25 |
| fewt | It wasn't created as a tomboy replacement | Mar 24 03:25 |
| fewt | (actually, the author blogged that it angered him that people implied that it was) | Mar 24 03:26 |
| XFaCE | well, I never thought it was a replacement | Mar 24 03:26 |
| XFaCE | He clearly said alternative | Mar 24 03:26 |
| fewt | ahh | Mar 24 03:26 |
| fewt | agreed | Mar 24 03:26 |
| fewt | well I'm out for the night, DaemonFC go easy on me. :P | Mar 24 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | ohhh, thunder | Mar 24 03:59 |
| *DaemonFC is listening to Thunderstruck by AC-DC on The Razors Edge [Amarok] | Mar 24 03:59 | |
| DaemonFC | why not? | Mar 24 03:59 |
| formic_ | [23:22] <fewt> No one twists anyones arm and says use Fuduntu or we'll break your legs.. | Mar 24 04:01 |
| formic_ | DaemonFC said Fuduntu fried his AMD graphics | Mar 24 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | no I didn't | Mar 24 04:01 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't used Fudbuntu | Mar 24 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | and I don't plan to | Mar 24 04:02 |
| formic_ | whats wrong with Fuduntu | Mar 24 04:02 |
| DaemonFC | the official distro of "Linsux" | Mar 24 04:02 |
| formic_ | that pretty much guarantee it doesn't have the issues they complain about | Mar 24 04:04 |
| formic_ | maybe thats why the linsux site is dead now | Mar 24 04:05 |
| formic_ | then you're just a hater | Mar 24 04:06 |
| DaemonFC | it's not dead | Mar 24 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | they changed their name to Cheesecake or something | Mar 24 04:08 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: mostly died when MS pulled funding. | Mar 24 04:08 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.readwriteweb.com/cloud/2012/03/oracle-takes-another-dig-at-re.php | Mar 24 04:11 |
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| DaemonFC | I asked Oracle for an Oracle Linux DVD back when they were offering them | Mar 24 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | they never sent one | Mar 24 04:12 |
| DaemonFC | they sent me Solaris 10 and OpenSolaris and a Solaris 11 DVD | Mar 24 04:13 |
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| DaemonFC | Lawsuit Larry does free SCOracle Linux | Mar 24 04:27 |
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| *prurigro gives voice to Diablo-D3 | Mar 24 04:29 | |
| *DaemonFC is listening to Shot Of Love by AC-DC on The Razors Edge [Amarok] | Mar 24 04:32 | |
| *DaemonFC is listening to The Way You Like It by Adema (eponymous) [Amarok] | Mar 24 04:43 | |
| *DaemonFC is listening to Jars by Chevelle on Sci-Fi Crimes [Amarok] | Mar 24 04:44 | |
| DaemonFC | bleh | Mar 24 04:44 |
| *DaemonFC is bored | Mar 24 04:44 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] Huh…just tried to log into !Tumblr but was stopped with a modified TOS for approval…say what? Tumblr notifies users when things change! ha! | Mar 24 04:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[laurelrusswurm/@laurelrusswurm] "When you make something publicly available on the Internet, it becomes practically impossible to take down all copies of it."~Tumblr TOS !q | Mar 24 04:52 | |
| scientes | https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SoftwareAndUpdatesSettings#drivers | Mar 24 05:02 |
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| scientes | "Each device in the list should have an indicator light: red if no driver is being used for the device, yellow if an open-source driver is in use but a proprietary driver is available, or green if a proprietary driver is in use. Below the device name should be a caption reflecting this state: “This device is not working.”, “This device may work poorly without a proprietary driver.”, or “This device is using a proprietary driver.” | Mar 24 05:02 |
| scientes | , respectively. " | Mar 24 05:02 |
| scientes | what a horrible amount of FUD coming directly from canonical | Mar 24 05:02 |
| scientes | esp as the ATI radeon driver is faster than fglrx in alot of situations | Mar 24 05:03 |
| scientes | schestowitz, ^^ what do you think of this | Mar 24 05:03 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm running badblocks | Mar 24 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | SMART claims I have a few bad sectors but I don't really believe it | Mar 24 05:12 |
| DaemonFC | scientes: Green means your system will probably become unstable and crash and lose data | Mar 24 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | and yellow means Caution: System might just work | Mar 24 05:13 |
| DaemonFC | makes sense to me | Mar 24 05:14 |
| DaemonFC | scientes: Users should be warned about possible system stability | Mar 24 05:16 |
| DaemonFC | and cautioned to use FGLRX so they aren't shocked by Linux actually working better than Windows | Mar 24 05:16 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: Smart has a section of space it can swap out dead sectors. | Mar 24 05:18 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: when that runs out then you are in trouble. | Mar 24 05:18 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: or is getting close you are in trouble. | Mar 24 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | SMART says I have 7 bad sectors | Mar 24 05:19 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: smart a sneaky method it to ship defective harddrives and not get them returned. | Mar 24 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | in the GNOME Disks tool | Mar 24 05:19 |
| DaemonFC | but according to Fedora, that has false positives | Mar 24 05:20 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: min is about 500 per drive. | Mar 24 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | nothing else seems to find them | Mar 24 05:20 |
| oiaohm_ | So still fairly safe. | Mar 24 05:20 |
| oiaohm_ | Of course nothing else can find them. | Mar 24 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | so my disk is safe to keep using? | Mar 24 05:20 |
| oiaohm_ | Do you know how smart works. | Mar 24 05:20 |
| oiaohm_ | I guess not. | Mar 24 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | unless we get into the hundreds? | Mar 24 05:20 |
| DaemonFC | no, not really | Mar 24 05:21 |
| DaemonFC | I know it's supposed to monitor your hard drive for an impending crash or something | Mar 24 05:21 |
| oiaohm_ | Smart is in the controller of your harddrive. | Mar 24 05:21 |
| oiaohm_ | Yes its physically part of the harddrive | Mar 24 05:21 |
| oiaohm_ | When you get a disk with smart there is a preallocated section of disc the OS cannot access. | Mar 24 05:22 |
| oiaohm_ | This section of disk is to be used to replace any other sector found on the disk that is hard to read hopefully before it fails. | Mar 24 05:22 |
| oiaohm_ | So the disk to OS looks perfect. | Mar 24 05:22 |
| oiaohm_ | But in reality there can be a few hundred failed sectors that smart is hiding. | Mar 24 05:23 |
| oiaohm_ | One of my old drives only has 100 smart sectors. | Mar 24 05:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | s/smart/the drive firmware/ | Mar 24 05:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | and this is why disks have redundant sectors | Mar 24 05:24 |
| Diablo-D3 | just in case they are about to fail | Mar 24 05:24 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: smartctl -a /dev/<drive> would be a good idea. | Mar 24 05:25 |
| oiaohm_ | Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - 0 << this is from one one my drives. | Mar 24 05:25 |
| oiaohm_ | old drives | Mar 24 05:25 |
| oiaohm_ | Tells me the drive has 100 possible sectors. | Mar 24 05:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know whats even better? | Mar 24 05:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | raid. | Mar 24 05:26 |
| oiaohm_ | And that the drive maker considers 36 failed something to worry about. | Mar 24 05:26 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: even with raid you want to remove drive before smart fails. | Mar 24 05:26 |
| oiaohm_ | It infact it very important with a lot of raids | Mar 24 05:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm_: not quite | Mar 24 05:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | on almost every drive Ive seen | Mar 24 05:27 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: basically 7 is most likely still healthy but you should still keep a eye on it case it gets worse. | Mar 24 05:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | the drive failed with no smart indiciation. | Mar 24 05:27 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: when you run out of smart replacement sectors you get bad sectors. | Mar 24 05:28 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: when you have a dumb raid like mirror it can replicate bad sectors to good drive so ruining your day. | Mar 24 05:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, but theres no indication on how many I have left. | Mar 24 05:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm_: yes/no. | Mar 24 05:28 |
| Diablo-D3 | depends on your raid impl | Mar 24 05:28 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: so yes a drive failing out right can be less harmful than smart failure. | Mar 24 05:29 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: there is a indication how many is lift. | Mar 24 05:29 |
| oiaohm_ | Reallocated_Sector_Ct in smart. | Mar 24 05:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | if your drive has it | Mar 24 05:29 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: what drives don't have it. | Mar 24 05:30 |
| oiaohm_ | I am very interested since my complete collection of drives have it. | Mar 24 05:31 |
| oiaohm_ | That is 8 different brands. | Mar 24 05:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - 0 | Mar 24 05:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 083 083 000 Old_age Always - 15646 | Mar 24 05:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - 0 | Mar 24 05:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 083 083 000 Old_age Always - 15653 | Mar 24 05:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - 0 | Mar 24 05:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 075 075 000 Old_age Always - 22001 | Mar 24 05:32 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm_: The drive is more than 3 years old | Mar 24 05:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - 0 | Mar 24 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | and it's seen daily heavy use | Mar 24 05:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 075 075 000 Old_age Always - 22006 | Mar 24 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | I doubt 7 is something to get worked up over | Mar 24 05:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - 0 | Mar 24 05:33 |
| DaemonFC | I'll just keep an eye on it | Mar 24 05:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 076 076 000 Old_age Always - 21716 | Mar 24 05:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | 5 Reallocated_Sector_Ct 0x0033 100 100 036 Pre-fail Always - 0 | Mar 24 05:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | 9 Power_On_Hours 0x0032 069 069 000 Old_age Always - 27621 | Mar 24 05:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | there all of my drives. | Mar 24 05:34 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: that is most normaly. | Mar 24 05:34 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: its the odd drive here or there that has a production defect that shows a few errors. | Mar 24 05:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | first are es2 750s baed on 7200.12s | Mar 24 05:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | er first two | Mar 24 05:34 |
| oiaohm_ | So far those drives are health. | Mar 24 05:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | second two are es2 750s based on 7200.11s | Mar 24 05:35 |
| oiaohm_ | One of my drives got to 130000+ hours before it showed it first. | Mar 24 05:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | and last two are two 7200.10 400gbs, and not a matched set | Mar 24 05:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | one died and got replaced with another 7200.10 | Mar 24 05:35 |
| oiaohm_ | Inside a few days it had gone from one to almost 100 | Mar 24 05:35 |
| Diablo-D3 | and then two of the es2s died and got replaced | Mar 24 05:36 |
| oiaohm_ | Smart really does not predict death. | Mar 24 05:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | the es2s that died died weird | Mar 24 05:36 |
| oiaohm_ | Smart just predicts you might have data trouble. | Mar 24 05:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | you know the molex plugs that make the tabs the sata plugs sit on? | Mar 24 05:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | it turned to granular plastic bits. | Mar 24 05:36 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, as if the plastic was made wrong | Mar 24 05:37 |
| Diablo-D3 | the drives themselves didnt actually fail | Mar 24 05:37 |
| oiaohm_ | See that some of those drives have a product recall on them. | Mar 24 05:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | I ended up supergluing the sata cables to them very carefully to rebuild the raid5 | Mar 24 05:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm_: /me shrugs | Mar 24 05:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | seagate never notified me of one | Mar 24 05:38 |
| oiaohm_ | There was a batch with defective plastic. | Mar 24 05:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | at any rate, they were replaced | Mar 24 05:38 |
| Diablo-D3 | the other two never developed the problem | Mar 24 05:38 |
| oiaohm_ | One of the drives here I have got a notification about defective. | Mar 24 05:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | the 400gb that died died normally | Mar 24 05:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | the usual chuga chuga chuga death | Mar 24 05:39 |
| oiaohm_ | Contacted seagate and they and sent it out wrong because mine was not in the batch. | Mar 24 05:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm_: also, btw | Mar 24 05:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have an external backup as well | Mar 24 05:40 |
| oiaohm_ | exactly right. | Mar 24 05:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | a seagate 2tb 5400rpm drive in a usb3 enclusre | Mar 24 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | SMART reports my drive as Healthy | Mar 24 05:40 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: I have drives that are about 5 year old that still report healthy. | Mar 24 05:40 |
| DaemonFC | badblocks is 30% into it and hasn't had any read errors | Mar 24 05:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm_: btw, I also have smartctl setup | Mar 24 05:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | that | Mar 24 05:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | it does a short test once a day and a extended test once a week | Mar 24 05:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | and emails me if theres any results | Mar 24 05:41 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: only one smart runs out of replacement blocks do you see bad blocks. | Mar 24 05:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | drives have more and more replacement blocks as they shrink | Mar 24 05:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | and also more and more ecc | Mar 24 05:41 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: smart is why bad blocks have disappeared from filesystems. | Mar 24 05:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm_: btw no | Mar 24 05:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | smart is just an api to the drive | Mar 24 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | Work at Google on over 100,000 drives found correlations between certain S.M.A.R.T. information and actual failure rates. In the 60 days following the first scan error on a drive, the drive was, on average, 39 times more likely to fail than it would have been had if no such error occurred. First errors in reallocations, offline reallocations and probational counts were also strongly correlated to higher probabilities of failure. Conversely, | Mar 24 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | little correlation was found for increased temperature and no correlation for usage level. However, a large proportion of the failed drives failed without giving any S.M.A.R.T. warnings at all, meaning that S.M.A.R.T. data alone was of limited usefulness in anticipating failures.[2] | Mar 24 05:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | drives that had strong ecc and replacement strategies existed long before smart | Mar 24 05:42 |
| DaemonFC | so basically with SMART, you're waving a chicken over it to try to predict failure | Mar 24 05:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | smart just gives you the ability to query the drive on stats maintained by the drive | Mar 24 05:42 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: Note that google study was about drive stopping. | Mar 24 05:43 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: not about drive damaging data. | Mar 24 05:43 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed that Windows Home doesn't have smartmon | Mar 24 05:43 |
| DaemonFC | that's nice | Mar 24 05:43 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: Ie smart is good about removing drives before it becomes hostile. | Mar 24 05:44 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: to be correct Windows Home does have a smart monitoring. | Mar 24 05:44 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: it just writes every message into the event log. | Mar 24 05:44 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: where no user will normally look. | Mar 24 05:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, good raid controllers will shut drives down on smart failure and use a spare | Mar 24 05:45 |
| oiaohm_ | Exactly. | Mar 24 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | so it will be warning that your disk is becoming janky | Mar 24 05:45 |
| oiaohm_ | Smart is about locating hostile drives. | Mar 24 05:45 |
| oiaohm_ | Not failing drives. | Mar 24 05:45 |
| DaemonFC | and users won't notice | Mar 24 05:45 |
| oiaohm_ | Yep why so many windows users lose data DaemonFC | Mar 24 05:45 |
| Diablo-D3 | noi | Mar 24 05:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | windows users lose data because they dont backup. | Mar 24 05:46 |
| oiaohm_ | They don't get told when there drives are becoming non trust worthy. | Mar 24 05:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | they have dvd burners, they have external drives | Mar 24 05:46 |
| Diablo-D3 | USE THEM | Mar 24 05:46 |
| oiaohm_ | And that too | Mar 24 05:46 |
| oiaohm_ | Smart is good to know that backup drive is stuffed. | Mar 24 05:46 |
| oiaohm_ | for placing trustable data on. | Mar 24 05:46 |
| oiaohm_ | I deal with proper businesses that back up. | Mar 24 05:47 |
| oiaohm_ | But at times stupidly buy drives of all the same batch. | Mar 24 05:47 |
| oiaohm_ | So all there data is on drives of all the same batch. | Mar 24 05:47 |
| oiaohm_ | so pray that batch don't have a defect. | Mar 24 05:47 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: I have done recovery on business who do the right things bar sourcing of drives. | Mar 24 05:51 |
| oiaohm_ | Every part of the process is critical to protecting data. | Mar 24 05:51 |
| scientes | <DaemonFC> scientes: Green means your system will probably become unstable and crash and lose data | Mar 24 06:07 |
| scientes | <DaemonFC> scientes: Users should be warned about possible system stability | Mar 24 06:07 |
| scientes | indeed | Mar 24 06:07 |
| scientes | <DaemonFC> and cautioned to use FGLRX so they aren't shocked by Linux actually working better than Windows | Mar 24 06:07 |
| scientes | i just had huge btrfs filesystem corruption problems | Mar 24 06:08 |
| scientes | largely caused by hard reset | Mar 24 06:09 |
| scientes | but the only way to fix them these days is make a new filesystem and copy all you can over | Mar 24 06:09 |
| DaemonFC | yeah which is why you should be using Ext4 or even better | Mar 24 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | XFS | Mar 24 06:17 |
| DaemonFC | those are the only two file systems anyone should be using on a hard disk | Mar 24 06:17 |
| scientes | well im sticking to btrfs for the moment, cause i want transparent compression | Mar 24 06:18 |
| scientes | and the only other BLOCK filesystem that has that is reiser4 | Mar 24 06:18 |
| scientes | ...yeah right | Mar 24 06:18 |
| scientes | and then, no LZO | Mar 24 06:18 |
| oiaohm_ | Double space all over again. | Mar 24 06:19 |
| scientes | oiaohm_, ? | Mar 24 06:19 |
| scientes | o i c | Mar 24 06:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | [02:07:45] <scientes> <DaemonFC> and cautioned to use FGLRX so they aren't shocked by Linux actually working better than Windows | Mar 24 06:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | wait is he agaisnt fglrx or not? | Mar 24 06:23 |
| scientes | he's saying that fglrx makes Linux crash | Mar 24 06:23 |
| scientes | I've had more experience with nvidia crashing Xorg, but i also havn't had alot of exposure with fglrx | Mar 24 06:24 |
| scientes | cause the radeon driver is progressing so much | Mar 24 06:24 |
| scientes | ...and the fglrx driver is still slow as balls... | Mar 24 06:24 |
| oiaohm_ | scientes: when MS first released doublespace the disc compression on fat everyone went nuts for it. | Mar 24 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | if you want Linux to crash more than Windows 98, install FGLRX | Mar 24 06:24 |
| oiaohm_ | scientes: lot of people got burnt. | Mar 24 06:24 |
| scientes | oiaohm_, you mean corruption? | Mar 24 06:25 |
| oiaohm_ | scientes: doublespace was known for it. | Mar 24 06:25 |
| scientes | hmmm, ntfs has transparent compression | Mar 24 06:25 |
| oiaohm_ | scientes: so bad that when MS fixed the bugs they renamed it drivespace | Mar 24 06:25 |
| scientes | and if you try to turn it on system wide it will fuck up your system | Mar 24 06:25 |
| oiaohm_ | scientes: to avoid the assocation. | Mar 24 06:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | scientes: the fglrx driver isnt slow | Mar 24 06:25 |
| *Diablo-D3 uses it exclusively | Mar 24 06:25 | |
| Diablo-D3 | and fglrx doesnt make linux crash | Mar 24 06:25 |
| scientes | Diablo-D3, maybe bad hardware | Mar 24 06:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | yeah, Im thinking this is just end user stupidity | Mar 24 06:26 |
| scientes | cause i only got like 3 fps in Wow | Mar 24 06:26 |
| scientes | even in opengl mode | Mar 24 06:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | okay, so? | Mar 24 06:26 |
| oiaohm_ | scientes: glgears runs? | Mar 24 06:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | wow doesnt have a native linux client | Mar 24 06:26 |
| scientes | while old-ass nvidia propritary will get me 20+fps | Mar 24 06:26 |
| scientes | oiaohm_, yes | Mar 24 06:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | when they do, I will give a fuck | Mar 24 06:26 |
| scientes | and compositing osff | Mar 24 06:26 |
| oiaohm_ | oiaohm_: how badly. | Mar 24 06:26 |
| oiaohm_ | Opps | Mar 24 06:26 |
| oiaohm_ | scientes: how badly. | Mar 24 06:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | scientes: and btw, do NOT use opengl in wine | Mar 24 06:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | wine's opengl layer is fucked | Mar 24 06:26 |
| scientes | Diablo-D3, Wow runs great in wine | Mar 24 06:26 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: no it is not. | Mar 24 06:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes it is | Mar 24 06:27 |
| *Diablo-D3 uses wine frequently | Mar 24 06:27 | |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: wine opengl layer is not that stuffed. | Mar 24 06:27 |
| scientes | also Civilization 4, which is DX9 works great in wine, but only 1-core | Mar 24 06:27 |
| scientes | Civilization V in DX9 mode was a bit slow | Mar 24 06:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm_: its gotten better, but its far from perfect | Mar 24 06:27 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: I do support for wine frequently and use it. | Mar 24 06:27 |
| scientes | and Wow on nvidia works WAY better in opengl mode than DX9 mode | Mar 24 06:27 |
| Diablo-D3 | scientes: portal 2 runs perfectly in wine and gets a higher fps under fglrx than in real windows | Mar 24 06:28 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: direct x layer can be far worse than the opengl layer in wine. | Mar 24 06:28 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: it is a choice between devils. | Mar 24 06:28 |
| scientes | but i've never gotten good gps with wow on ati | Mar 24 06:28 |
| scientes | also, out of the box opengp+ati you get horrible corruption, you have to turn something off | Mar 24 06:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm_: the problem with the wine ogl layer is it tries to fix it up to do what windows app expect | Mar 24 06:29 |
| scientes | maybe it is jsut crappy hardware however | Mar 24 06:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | instead of actually just 32erizing the 64bit calls. | Mar 24 06:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | scientes: I get no corruption | Mar 24 06:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | you must be using an ancient version of wine | Mar 24 06:29 |
| Diablo-D3 | I use unstable versions only (which, atm, is 1.5.0) | Mar 24 06:29 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: that is one of those uggly cases. | Mar 24 06:30 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: if we fix wine opengl we break applications. | Mar 24 06:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | but this is why I develop for linux exclusively | Mar 24 06:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | so it runs on all platforms well | Mar 24 06:31 |
| DaemonFC | Wine is full of ugly hacks | Mar 24 06:31 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: Now of course there could be a switch option done if someone submitted a bug report with an application provening the current action. | Mar 24 06:31 |
| DaemonFC | and it's a danger to your system security too | Mar 24 06:31 |
| scientes | well its not really corruption, its this wierd trangle problem | Mar 24 06:31 |
| scientes | i cant quite explain it | Mar 24 06:31 |
| DaemonFC | if you try to contain it, then Windows apps start failing | Mar 24 06:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, wine should just let the native opengl impl handle it | Mar 24 06:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | with minimal 32 bit fixups | Mar 24 06:32 |
| scientes | DaemonFC, of course wine is a security problem, if you run under the same user | Mar 24 06:32 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: each fix up is todo with bug to bug compadiblity. | Mar 24 06:32 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: so applications work. | Mar 24 06:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm_: yes, and I have no interest in bug compatibility | Mar 24 06:32 |
| scientes | (and even if not, because X11 security is borked in general, but that is a whole other problem)( | Mar 24 06:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | not for gl apps. | Mar 24 06:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | for d3d ones? sure, go ahead | Mar 24 06:32 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: if you can prove a fix is wrong for a particular windows application there is a case for a switch not todo it. | Mar 24 06:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm_: yes but | Mar 24 06:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | all my gl apps | Mar 24 06:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | have native linux clients. | Mar 24 06:33 |
| scientes | Diablo-D3, so stop whining | Mar 24 06:33 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: basically I could get the change done if I have a bug report and a effected application. | Mar 24 06:33 |
| scientes | some windows developers even use wine so that they can profile with Valgrind | Mar 24 06:33 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: no bug report no way I can get it changed. | Mar 24 06:33 |
| scientes | wine has alot of uses | Mar 24 06:33 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: opengl key space for settings exist just no one has made a case for what you want. | Mar 24 06:35 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: in the form of a bug report. | Mar 24 06:35 |
| oiaohm_ | Mind you with the thrid party opengl patch up library requesting emulation of that would be another way around the problem Diablo-D3 | Mar 24 06:37 |
| scientes | that sounds crazy oiaohm_ | Mar 24 06:53 |
| scientes | the program should just be able to ask wine to enable strict mode | Mar 24 06:53 |
| scientes | instead of quirk mode | Mar 24 06:53 |
| scientes | just like browsers do | Mar 24 06:53 |
| scientes | thats the sensible way to handle it | Mar 24 06:54 |
| oiaohm_ | Wine use to implement a strict mode | Mar 24 06:54 |
| oiaohm_ | Problem is nothing run. | Mar 24 06:54 |
| scientes | precisely why you are right, while Diablo-D3 seems misinformed | Mar 24 06:54 |
| scientes | but its a good idea to offer it, if programs ask for it | Mar 24 06:54 |
| Diablo-D3 | Im not misinformed at all | Mar 24 06:54 |
| oiaohm_ | The issue is I have no case of an application asking for it. | Mar 24 06:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | I merely do not give a fuck about windows | Mar 24 06:55 |
| scientes | yeah, i dont either | Mar 24 06:55 |
| oiaohm_ | If I have that I can get implemented what Diablo-D3 asks. | Mar 24 06:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | no, what I am asking is for windows devs to quit writing shit code | Mar 24 06:55 |
| Diablo-D3 | that will NEVER happen | Mar 24 06:55 |
| scientes | ahhhhhh | Mar 24 06:56 |
| oiaohm_ | There is a library that wraps over windows opengl and makes it sane. | Mar 24 06:56 |
| oiaohm_ | Now that might be able to be intergrated into while as the sane verison of opengl interface | Mar 24 06:56 |
| scientes | well considering that microsoft is hostile to opengl | Mar 24 06:56 |
| oiaohm_ | while/wine | Mar 24 06:56 |
| scientes | i don't think that will happen any time soon | Mar 24 06:56 |
| scientes | they ban it from default drivers for gods sake | Mar 24 06:56 |
| oiaohm_ | scientes: this is a third party. | Mar 24 06:56 |
| oiaohm_ | Providing services to people like Diablo-D3 | Mar 24 06:57 |
| scientes | well, i don't think Diablo-D3 see that wine as a API platform is actually reasonable | Mar 24 06:57 |
| Diablo-D3 | scientes: I dont strictly. | Mar 24 06:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | I see it as a way to run windows apps. | Mar 24 06:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | I have zero interest in using it for winelib to native compile apps | Mar 24 06:58 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you're going to do that, just write your code correctly to begin with | Mar 24 06:59 |
| oiaohm_ | TitaniumGL that was the one I was thinking of. | Mar 24 06:59 |
| oiaohm_ | http://titaniumgl.tk/ | Mar 24 07:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: titaniumgl.tk .::. Size~: 1.02 KB | Mar 24 07:01 |
| oiaohm_ | So someone makes an application dependent on titaniumgl and it fixes the hack will be able to make the case for what you want Diablo-D3 | Mar 24 07:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | I think you misunderstand what opengl | Mar 24 07:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | its an API specification | Mar 24 07:02 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: wine policy of bug for bug compadiblity is a pain in but. | Mar 24 07:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | an OS agnostic API specification | Mar 24 07:02 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: wine goal is not to be a platform | Mar 24 07:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | either your app uses GL correctly, or it doesnt | Mar 24 07:02 |
| oiaohm_ | But to make windows applications work. | Mar 24 07:02 |
| Diablo-D3 | so w/e | Mar 24 07:03 |
| oiaohm_ | There is a different point of view here. | Mar 24 07:03 |
| oiaohm_ | I would like wine to provide to opengl standard but there is no point if no application will use it. | Mar 24 07:03 |
| oiaohm_ | If I have a use case I can get it Diablo-D3 | Mar 24 07:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | wine can ONLY provide opengl | Mar 24 07:04 |
| Diablo-D3 | there is no alternate version of the standard | Mar 24 07:05 |
| oiaohm_ | Windows applications think otherwise. | Mar 24 07:06 |
| scientes | Diablo-D3, that just isn't true | Mar 24 07:07 |
| scientes | of alot of "standards" | Mar 24 07:07 |
| oiaohm_ | Opengl did not define how to interface with the windowing system. | Mar 24 07:08 |
| oiaohm_ | So MS went nuts there. | Mar 24 07:08 |
| oiaohm_ | And a lot of other strange things come from undefined sections of the standard MS could extend how they so pleased. | Mar 24 07:08 |
| scientes | Diablo-D3, ndard MS could extend how they so pleased. | Mar 24 07:10 |
| scientes | Diablo-D3, https://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git;a=commit;h=90597b6cfc1fc9926a4d54f09bbf5b3254b1b028 | Mar 24 07:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: git.kernel.org - linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux.git/commit .::. Size~: 9.54 KB | Mar 24 07:10 |
| Diablo-D3 | scientes: its 100% true. | Mar 24 07:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm_: yes, it didnt define one, because, honestly, it shouldnt | Mar 24 07:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | wgl, agl, and glx are rather identical | Mar 24 07:11 |
| scientes | tons of standards are not fallowed | Mar 24 07:11 |
| Diablo-D3 | scientes: I dont care about people who dont follow the standard | Mar 24 07:11 |
| scientes | this was AHCI | Mar 24 07:11 |
| scientes | more hardware is non-corformant that conformant | Mar 24 07:12 |
| DaemonFC | most things most BIOSes expose end up being buggy or outright lies | Mar 24 07:15 |
| DaemonFC | don't trust it | Mar 24 07:15 |
| DaemonFC | ever | Mar 24 07:15 |
| DaemonFC | they do up some hack job that seems to work with the current Windows | Mar 24 07:15 |
| DaemonFC | and then they ship it | Mar 24 07:15 |
| DaemonFC | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/seamonkey/addon/adblock_lite/?src=hp-dl-upandcoming | Mar 24 07:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Adblock Lite :: Add-ons for SeaMonkey .::. Size~: 31.14 KB | Mar 24 07:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | AHCI, as a specification, was broken | Mar 24 07:17 |
| scientes | Recent tests give widely varying error rates with over 7 orders of magnitude difference, ranging from 10−10−10−17 error/bit·h, roughly one bit error, per hour, per gigabyte of memory to one bit error, per century, per gigabyte of memory.[7][8][9] | Mar 24 07:18 |
| scientes | thats why regular desktops dont need ECC | Mar 24 07:18 |
| Diablo-D3 | scientes: except | Mar 24 07:18 |
| scientes | how about using a bigger block, like 128 bit blocks? | Mar 24 07:18 |
| scientes | or evern bigger | Mar 24 07:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | it costs nothing to put ECC RAM in. | Mar 24 07:19 |
| scientes | if its so rare | Mar 24 07:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | or did you mean something else | Mar 24 07:19 |
| scientes | well one bit, per hour, per gigabyte | Mar 24 07:19 |
| scientes | which is WOORSE CASE there, doesn't really seem that bad | Mar 24 07:19 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats pretty horrible | Mar 24 07:19 |
| scientes | what percent of manufactured RAM is ECC-enabled | Mar 24 07:20 |
| scientes | by usable capacity | Mar 24 07:20 |
| Diablo-D3 | wrong question | Mar 24 07:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | they make ECC RAM DIMMs by putting one more chip on it | Mar 24 07:21 |
| Diablo-D3 | so its 9 instead of 8 | Mar 24 07:21 |
| scientes | ahh | Mar 24 07:21 |
| scientes | they why isn't it 8-bit correcting | Mar 24 07:22 |
| scientes | ahhhh cause CORRECTING | Mar 24 07:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | yes, its correcting | Mar 24 07:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | it can correct 1 bit and detect 2 | Mar 24 07:22 |
| scientes | thats why it becomes ^2, aka 64-bit | Mar 24 07:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | ddr2/ddr3 can detect 1 | Mar 24 07:22 |
| scientes | Diablo-D3, oh, cool | Mar 24 07:22 |
| scientes | Diablo-D3, how do i get those stats? | Mar 24 07:22 |
| Diablo-D3 | ask the kernel | Mar 24 07:23 |
| scientes | whats the user-space program? | Mar 24 07:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | although you cant detect them on normal machines | Mar 24 07:23 |
| Diablo-D3 | anything that doesnt have ECC sticks in it will never issue events | Mar 24 07:23 |
| scientes | oh, thats stupid | Mar 24 07:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | its not stupid, 1 bit detection is useless | Mar 24 07:25 |
| Diablo-D3 | it also is unreliable on such hardware | Mar 24 07:25 |
| scientes | i guess you just use memtest86 and call it done | Mar 24 07:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | there is no checksum bit | Mar 24 07:26 |
| Diablo-D3 | with ecc there IS a checksum bit | Mar 24 07:26 |
| oiaohm_ | scientes: I guess Diablo-D3 knows this. As chips can smaller the ammount of background noice required to make a bit flip reduces. | Mar 24 07:29 |
| oiaohm_ | So in a few years ECC or better will be mandory. | Mar 24 07:30 |
| scientes | yeah just read that | Mar 24 07:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | well, the fun part is | Mar 24 07:30 |
| scientes | wait no oiaohm_ | Mar 24 07:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | all AMD 700, 800, and 900 northbridges ALREADY support it | Mar 24 07:30 |
| scientes | "Recent studies[7] show that single event upsets due to cosmic radiation have been dropping dramatically with process geometry and previous concerns over increasing bit cell error rates are unfounded." | Mar 24 07:30 |
| Diablo-D3 | scientes: yes/no | Mar 24 07:31 |
| oiaohm_ | Note I said background noise not cosmic radiation. | Mar 24 07:31 |
| Diablo-D3 | newer designs are better at being error free | Mar 24 07:31 |
| oiaohm_ | background noise can be power not being as stable as it should. Heat from other ram sticks. | Mar 24 07:32 |
| oiaohm_ | The cooling fan putting out some Electromagnicts more than normal. | Mar 24 07:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | oiaohm_: yes, but memory power usage has been dropping | Mar 24 07:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | and also, this is why you should never use naked dimms imo | Mar 24 07:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | like, ddr2-800 @ 1.8v and ddr3-1333 @ 1.5v doesnt need a heatsink at all | Mar 24 07:33 |
| Diablo-D3 | but I prefer to still buy ones with metal heatsinks just to drown out the noise | Mar 24 07:33 |
| oiaohm_ | Lower voltate only gets you so far. | Mar 24 07:33 |
| oiaohm_ | When we get down to a few atoms for storage. | Mar 24 07:34 |
| oiaohm_ | Heat will become a very big factor. | Mar 24 07:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | well the real problem is many CPUs are not optimized for memory | Mar 24 07:34 |
| Diablo-D3 | AMD finally is turning around on that, but Intel isnt | Mar 24 07:34 |
| oiaohm_ | So yes cosmic radiation effects are dropping but everything else that can cause a bit flip is increasing. | Mar 24 07:35 |
| scientes | NUMA baby | Mar 24 07:35 |
| oiaohm_ | NUMA does not solve the problem completely. | Mar 24 07:35 |
| oiaohm_ | In fact NUMA creates some. | Mar 24 07:35 |
| scientes | NUMA creates tons of problems | Mar 24 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | there's someone in the alley behind my house stumbling around drunk screaming | Mar 24 07:36 |
| scientes | but its kinda inevitable | Mar 24 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | I called the police and they said they'd send a squad car out to investigate | Mar 24 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Mar 24 07:36 |
| DaemonFC | weirdos | Mar 24 07:36 |
| oiaohm_ | scientes: there is a different option to NUMA | Mar 24 07:36 |
| oiaohm_ | scientes: cpus being able to change the memory manager they are talking to. | Mar 24 07:37 |
| scientes | yuck yuck yuck | Mar 24 07:37 |
| oiaohm_ | So avoiding the NUMA issue of having to replicate data between cpus. | Mar 24 07:37 |
| scientes | all sorts of mutex problems that sounds like | Mar 24 07:37 |
| oiaohm_ | Look inside an Arm cpu designs. | Mar 24 07:37 |
| scientes | anw hat do you do? round-robin it? | Mar 24 07:37 |
| oiaohm_ | some are down right scary. | Mar 24 07:37 |
| scientes | then you are back to the origional problem, slow ram access | Mar 24 07:37 |
| DaemonFC | cops are out there now | Mar 24 07:38 |
| oiaohm_ | Not realy scientes | Mar 24 07:38 |
| DaemonFC | heh | Mar 24 07:38 |
| oiaohm_ | I am talking able to use like a fpga to rewrite while running what memory control the cpu is connected to. | Mar 24 07:38 |
| oiaohm_ | scientes: | Mar 24 07:38 |
| oiaohm_ | Yes down right scary. | Mar 24 07:38 |
| scientes | oh shiiii | Mar 24 07:39 |
| scientes | like IOMMU for processors | Mar 24 07:39 |
| scientes | on top of the already existing MMU | Mar 24 07:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | thats called "DMA" ;) | Mar 24 07:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | btw, re NUMA | Mar 24 07:39 |
| Diablo-D3 | AMD already has desktop NUMA. | Mar 24 07:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | has for like a decade | Mar 24 07:40 |
| scientes | <Diablo-D3> thats called "DMA" ;) | Mar 24 07:40 |
| scientes | haha yes | Mar 24 07:40 |
| scientes | but AMD NUMA isn't nearly the orgers that older-style NUMAs had | Mar 24 07:40 |
| scientes | *orders | Mar 24 07:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | multi-core (not just multi-socket, applies to single socket also) K8 and up are sufficiently NUMA to be considered as such | Mar 24 07:40 |
| Diablo-D3 | you just dont see the the power of it until you have multiple memory banks | Mar 24 07:41 |
| Diablo-D3 | (such as multiple sockets, generally wired as one bank per socket, or G34 shit which is 2 banks per socket with each socket having two HTX memory controllers per die) | Mar 24 07:41 |
| scientes | but its almost impossible to actually use NUMA right | Mar 24 07:41 |
| scientes | with current Linux | Mar 24 07:42 |
| scientes | you have to custom programm your application | Mar 24 07:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | scientes: wrong | Mar 24 07:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | HW accelerated numa is invisible to software | Mar 24 07:42 |
| Diablo-D3 | HTX memory controllers synchronize themselves across the cluster | Mar 24 07:43 |
| scientes | i mean scheduling | Mar 24 07:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | cpu cores are NOT tied to the memory controller | Mar 24 07:43 |
| scientes | and memory moving | Mar 24 07:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | they issue htx messages to the controller | Mar 24 07:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | so any core can talk to any memory controller anywhere | Mar 24 07:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | no matter how far away | Mar 24 07:43 |
| Diablo-D3 | and its almost like native speed | Mar 24 07:43 |
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| scientes | so people write their math libraries in FORTRAN? | Mar 24 08:01 |
| scientes | cause gcc sucks too much ???!?!?! whaaa | Mar 24 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | it's not just GCC | Mar 24 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | GCC is actually one of the few maintained compilers with decent fortran support | Mar 24 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | C and C++ make up well over half of the packages in a typical Linux distribution | Mar 24 08:06 |
| DaemonFC | after that, it's a real steep drop off | Mar 24 08:06 |
| scientes | <DaemonFC> C and C++ make up well over half of the packages in a typical Linux distribution | Mar 24 08:09 |
| scientes | not really | Mar 24 08:09 |
| scientes | there is alot of perl, python, and now, hell even javascript is core | Mar 24 08:10 |
| oiaohm_ | That would be right. | Mar 24 08:10 |
| oiaohm_ | perl python and javascript only totals up to about 25 percent. | Mar 24 08:10 |
| oiaohm_ | The C and C++ are mountains. | Mar 24 08:10 |
| scientes | and then ruby, lua, haskell, erlang, | Mar 24 08:10 |
| scientes | java | Mar 24 08:10 |
| oiaohm_ | Look at gnome and kde | Mar 24 08:11 |
| oiaohm_ | For percentages. | Mar 24 08:11 |
| scientes | granted, java and ruby are horribly packaged in GNU/linux | Mar 24 08:11 |
| scientes | oiaohm_, gnome-shell is written in javascript for gods sake | Mar 24 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | parts of it | Mar 24 08:11 |
| oiaohm_ | But the rest of the applications. | Mar 24 08:11 |
| scientes | also, Vala now | Mar 24 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | Vala is just a preprocessor for C | Mar 24 08:11 |
| scientes | which is a wierd case, cause it compiles to C | Mar 24 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | you may as well call it C | Mar 24 08:11 |
| oiaohm_ | Vala converts into C | Mar 24 08:11 |
| scientes | is it really a strict preprocessor? | Mar 24 08:12 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Mar 24 08:12 |
| scientes | or does it have cases where it take exponential time? | Mar 24 08:12 |
| oiaohm_ | Vala is a very wired preprocessor. | Mar 24 08:12 |
| scientes | or is that not a requirement for pre-processors? | Mar 24 08:12 |
| oiaohm_ | Gnome shell is more C than javascript | Mar 24 08:12 |
| oiaohm_ | This is the problem scripting lanaguges require more supporting native code. | Mar 24 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | looking it over, it's basically a way to use C that is safer from memory leaks and in a syntax which resembles C# | Mar 24 08:13 |
| scientes | what about tree interpreters? | Mar 24 08:13 |
| scientes | nah, OT | Mar 24 08:13 |
| oiaohm_ | QT applications use little bits of java script bit is less than 10 percent of the code base of KDE | Mar 24 08:14 |
| oiaohm_ | This is the problem scripting languages do register but they are not the dominate force. | Mar 24 08:14 |
| scientes | C applications often bring in tone of crap into their binaries that they dont need | Mar 24 08:14 |
| scientes | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 22896 Nov 20 09:42 /bin/true | Mar 24 08:14 |
| scientes | seriously WTF | Mar 24 08:14 |
| oiaohm_ | scientes: that is more complier issues. | Mar 24 08:14 |
| oiaohm_ | scientes: Yes I agree WTF | Mar 24 08:15 |
| scientes | I wonder what the minimum size of /bin/true could be with ELF overhead requirements | Mar 24 08:15 |
| oiaohm_ | scientes: 100 bytes | Mar 24 08:16 |
| Diablo-D3 | less | Mar 24 08:16 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: that is without breaking elf headers | Mar 24 08:16 |
| scientes | $ /bin/true --version | Mar 24 08:17 |
| scientes | true (GNU coreutils) 8.13 | Mar 24 08:17 |
| scientes | Copyright (C) 2011 Free Software Foundation, Inc. | Mar 24 08:17 |
| scientes | License GPLv3+: GNU GPL version 3 or later <http://gnu.org/licenses/gpl.html>. | Mar 24 08:17 |
| scientes | This is free software: you are free to change and redistribute it. | Mar 24 08:17 |
| scientes | There is NO WARRANTY, to the extent permitted by law. | Mar 24 08:17 |
| oiaohm_ | Diablo-D3: if you are willing to break elf headers 47 bytes. | Mar 24 08:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Page Not Found - GNU Project .::. Size~: 1.36 KB | Mar 24 08:17 |
| scientes | Written by Jim Meyering. | Mar 24 08:17 |
| scientes | now, that seems pretty idiotic | Mar 24 08:17 |
| oiaohm_ | scientes: gcc complier addes a stack of stupid things. | Mar 24 08:17 |
| scientes | i mean, can you seriously claim copyright over something so simple? I guess AT&T did | Mar 24 08:17 |
| oiaohm_ | Like internalation support multi threading ..... And the list goes on. | Mar 24 08:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you do it legitimately, its about 150 bytes | Mar 24 08:17 |
| scientes | even when their bash script that did the same thing was strictly 0 lines | Mar 24 08:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | if you do it hackily | Mar 24 08:17 |
| Diablo-D3 | its below 50 | Mar 24 08:17 |
| oiaohm_ | Items like true show the bug in gcc | Mar 24 08:18 |
| oiaohm_ | Gcc does not check out if a program is multi threaded or not before binding in multi threaded initing. | Mar 24 08:18 |
| oiaohm_ | Gcc does not check out if application processes arguements or not before binding in arguement support. | Mar 24 08:18 |
| oiaohm_ | And the list goes on for about 100 more lines of stuff gcc binds in without checking. | Mar 24 08:19 |
| scientes | the optput of true doesn't change when i change my LANG env... | Mar 24 08:19 |
| oiaohm_ | Yep international support is glued in there. | Mar 24 08:19 |
| oiaohm_ | Some of these bits are many KB | Mar 24 08:19 |
| schestowitz | scientes: to what? | Mar 24 08:20 |
| scientes | oh i'll have to dig up what i said | Mar 24 08:21 |
| scientes | ahhh, i remember | Mar 24 08:21 |
| oiaohm_ | schestowitz: true the program | Mar 24 08:21 |
| oiaohm_ | Opps. | Mar 24 08:21 |
| scientes | it was about ubuntu and propritary drivers | Mar 24 08:21 |
| oiaohm_ | schestowitz: I though you came in half way through. | Mar 24 08:21 |
| scientes | its past my scrollback, sorry | Mar 24 08:23 |
| scientes | and googling isn't being fruitful | Mar 24 08:23 |
| scientes | basically, yellow == FOSS, and only propritary gets green | Mar 24 08:23 |
| scientes | which is FUD in ref to , e.g. radeon driver | Mar 24 08:24 |
| DaemonFC | scientes: We were discussing that yesterday | Mar 24 08:28 |
| DaemonFC | Canonical claims that their apparmor profiles are under the GPL | Mar 24 08:28 |
| DaemonFC | but there's only so many ways you could write an apparmor profile that works that I'm not even sure why you should get to copyright it at all | Mar 24 08:29 |
| oiaohm_ | selinux profiles are under GPL as well. | Mar 24 08:29 |
| oiaohm_ | So its not strange. | Mar 24 08:29 |
| DaemonFC | that's different | Mar 24 08:29 |
| scientes | YEAH, BUT SELINUX PROFiles are like | Mar 24 08:29 |
| scientes | ...are like shooting yourself in the foot | Mar 24 08:29 |
| DaemonFC | there's a difference between something that is basically a computer language | Mar 24 08:30 |
| scientes | ...and then doing it again cause you missed the pani | Mar 24 08:30 |
| DaemonFC | and something where you write lines like | Mar 24 08:30 |
| oiaohm_ | scientes: I use selinux | Mar 24 08:30 |
| DaemonFC | /bin/bash ix, | Mar 24 08:30 |
| oiaohm_ | scientes: it don't hurt me. | Mar 24 08:30 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Free-textbooks project helps South Africa - http://bit.ly/GJU5Xj great development | Mar 24 08:30 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Finding Success In A Wasteland By Being Open, Human And Awesome - http://bit.ly/GJ4m3C nice story | Mar 24 08:30 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Free-textbooks project helps SA - Times LIVE .::. Size~: 148.37 KB | Mar 24 08:30 |
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| oiaohm_ | scientes: there are nice tools to manage it these days. | Mar 24 08:30 |
| *scientes has only messed around with TOMOYO | Mar 24 08:30 | |
| scientes | it has cool auto-learning functionailty | Mar 24 08:30 |
| scientes | but could use some work on the user-space | Mar 24 08:30 |
| oiaohm_ | So does selinux today. | Mar 24 08:30 |
| oiaohm_ | If you have the right tools. | Mar 24 08:31 |
| oiaohm_ | You can run audit allow all patch that kinda undermines selinux perfect. | Mar 24 08:31 |
| scientes | but you have to relable everything... | Mar 24 08:31 |
| scientes | hmm label vs pathname-based | Mar 24 08:31 |
| scientes | its a big argument | Mar 24 08:31 |
| oiaohm_ | selinux has both. | Mar 24 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | scientes: AppArmor has learning | Mar 24 08:31 |
| scientes | ubuntu breaks if your home directory is a symlink | Mar 24 08:31 |
| *scientes found that out very recently | Mar 24 08:32 | |
| DaemonFC | and after you run it through that you put it in complain mode | Mar 24 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | and in complain mode, it helps you work out the remaining kinks | Mar 24 08:32 |
| DaemonFC | then you can put it in enforce | Mar 24 08:32 |
| *scientes needs to change that to a bind mount.... | Mar 24 08:32 | |
| scientes | so that ssh login with public key works again, etc | Mar 24 08:32 |
| Diablo-D3 | symlinks for home is bad anyhow | Mar 24 08:33 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Of genies and bottles and wishing for shoehorns - http://bit.ly/GKpdUH & let's not forget #SOPA and #ACTA | Mar 24 08:33 | |
| scientes | well it really should just be changed in /etc/passwd | Mar 24 08:33 |
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| scientes | maybe then ubuntu would be fine....not sure | Mar 24 08:33 |
| oiaohm_ | http://wiki.centos.org/HowTos/SELinux#head-faa96b3fdd922004cdb988c1989e56191c257c01 scientes | Mar 24 08:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: HowTos/SELinux - CentOS Wiki .::. Size~: 52.28 KB | Mar 24 08:34 |
| oiaohm_ | If you get really evil you can plug audit2allow into auditd to update selinux profiles in realtime | Mar 24 08:34 |
| oiaohm_ | Basically it says it enforcing but in that mode is really not. | Mar 24 08:35 |
| oiaohm_ | https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/all-icelands-public-administrations-moving-towards-open-source | Mar 24 08:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: All of Iceland's public administrations moving towards open source | Joinup .::. Size~: 26.48 KB | Mar 24 08:36 |
| oiaohm_ | This is interesting. | Mar 24 08:36 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] ISOC Hires #MPAA Executive Paul Beringer - http://bit.ly/GLfP7b #ISOC just lost any credibility it may have had | Mar 24 08:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] RT @ #techrights log #boycottnovell log #boycottnovell-social log #techbytes log Enter the IRC channels now | Mar 24 08:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[boycottnovell/@boycottnovell] RT @ #techrights log #boycottnovell log #boycottnovell-social log #techbytes log Enter the IRC channels now | Mar 24 08:37 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: ISOC Hires MPAA Executive Paul Beringer - Slashdot .::. Size~: 163.67 KB | Mar 24 08:37 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] "What's an open standard?" says ISO - http://bit.ly/GVdTTe #ISO is a joke (v @jwildeboer) #openstandards | Mar 24 08:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Tomorrow, March 25, Germany votes Pirate again - http://bit.ly/GLZ2uY will be an interesting test for them #de | Mar 24 08:43 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Tomorrow March 25, Germany Votes Pirate Again - Falkvinge on Infopolicy .::. Size~: 217.59 KB | Mar 24 08:43 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] http://on.mash.to/GLHuzH | Mar 24 08:50 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] Surveillance System Can Recognize a Face From 36 Million Others in One Second - http://on.mash.to/GLHuzH this will end in tears | Mar 24 08:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] ValCom sues Megaupload for up to $900 million in damages - http://tnw.co/GVkl1S based on #copyright maths, of course# | Mar 24 08:52 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[glynmoody/@glynmoody] How will the government promote rights online? - http://bit.ly/GKT1B5 assuming "promote" can take negative values... | Mar 24 08:53 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: How will the government promote rights online? | Open Rights Group .::. Size~: 20.56 KB | Mar 24 08:53 |
| DaemonFC | https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/mafiaafire-redirector/ | Mar 24 08:55 |
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| DaemonFC | one star from me | Mar 24 08:56 |
| DaemonFC | Rated 1 out of 5 stars | Mar 24 08:56 |
| DaemonFC | by Ryan on March 24, 2012 · permalink | Mar 24 08:56 |
| DaemonFC | The terms of this license are ridiculous and make it proprietary and closed source software. | Mar 24 08:56 |
| DaemonFC | Three nonfree non-open source clauses and attempts to make a contract with God. | Mar 24 08:56 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] 5 years of iPhone innovation: bit.ly/GVW4Gv !lol | Mar 24 09:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @lnxwalt: @x11r5 Is @thistleweb your “rebound” after @nathan rejected you? | Mar 24 09:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] !tzaf speeddefrost, !tzag !identiverse! | Mar 24 09:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RT @glynmoody "Free-textbooks project helps South Africa - http://bit.ly/GJU5Xj great development" /cc @nj3ma @debelzie @mtotowajirani | Mar 24 09:20 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] !tzaf @speeddefrost, !tzag !identiverse! | Mar 24 09:22 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] hey there @expatpaul, just barely afternoon here | Mar 24 09:27 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @ElbaZostaje: ZAPRASZAMY WSZYSTKICH NA SOBOTNIĄ KONFERENCJĘ PRASOWĄ O GODZINIE 14:00, POD ADRESEM SKORUPKI 6A (ŚRÓDMIEŚCIE) | Mar 24 09:30 | |
| DaemonFC | http://it.slashdot.org/story/12/03/23/1857243/isps-sign-on-to-fcc-anti-botnet-code-of-conduct | Mar 24 09:51 |
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| DaemonFC | shit | Mar 24 09:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Scientific !Linux, the great distribution with the wrong name http://goo.gl/udesX | Mar 24 10:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] I must admit, the name Scientific #Linux did put me off in the early days, when it was all I had to go on | Mar 24 10:03 | |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Barracuda-3-5-Inch-Internal-ST2000DL003/dp/B004CCS266/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1332583949&sr=1-3 | Mar 24 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | thoughts? | Mar 24 10:12 |
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| DaemonFC | if it's nearly time to replace my drive, I might as well get a 2 TB one | Mar 24 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | they're not much more expensive than 1 TB | Mar 24 10:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] How dare !Firefox bin support for 2000 the only Windows system I still use http://goo.gl/R88D9 albeit in Virtualbox :) | Mar 24 10:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Play On !Linux 4.0.16 now can start exe from terminal, support for #Desura and more | Unixmen http://goo.gl/sOIsj | Mar 24 10:13 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] The Compiler That Changed the World Turns 25 http://ping.fm/k2nuo | Mar 24 10:13 | |
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| DaemonFC | oiaohm_: Why are these 5900 RPM drives benchmarking as good or better than my 7200 RPM drive? | Mar 24 10:32 |
| *DaemonFC is confused | Mar 24 10:32 | |
| oiaohm_ | Density. | Mar 24 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | Advanced Format? | Mar 24 10:33 |
| oiaohm_ | No simple density. | Mar 24 10:33 |
| oiaohm_ | They most likely have the data in a smaller area of platter. | Mar 24 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | access time is a bit slower | Mar 24 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | but everything else seems to be a pretty decent match in speed | Mar 24 10:34 |
| oiaohm_ | Exactly. | Mar 24 10:34 |
| schestowitz | schestowitz: you upset garret | Mar 24 10:34 |
| oiaohm_ | 5900 to seek is going to be slower. | Mar 24 10:34 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: ^\ | Mar 24 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | if I was to swap for one of these would I notice any performance problems? | Mar 24 10:34 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: depends on your work load out of it. | Mar 24 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | some work loads seem a fair bit faster on the newer 5900 RPM drives than on my older 7200 | Mar 24 10:35 |
| oiaohm_ | And others will be slightly slower. | Mar 24 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | it uses less power, but were talking only a few watts | Mar 24 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | bleh :P | Mar 24 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | I know, every little bit helps and the hard drive is always running, so it probably adds up over the life time | Mar 24 10:36 |
| oiaohm_ | Again me doing blender movie renders as a drop drive form the final video good. | Mar 24 10:36 |
| oiaohm_ | For a data source drive. | Mar 24 10:36 |
| oiaohm_ | Where I am kinda random seeking all over it. | Mar 24 10:36 |
| oiaohm_ | Not so good. | Mar 24 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/barracuda_green_2tb/4.htm | Mar 24 10:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Seagate Barracuda Green 2TB Hard Drive Review » Page 4 - Testing: HD Tune 3.50 - Overclockers Club .::. Size~: 46.58 KB | Mar 24 10:36 |
| oiaohm_ | Now a 7200 the new tech is going to rock our socks off. | Mar 24 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | look at the 4k read and write | Mar 24 10:36 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, but it's like twice as expensive | Mar 24 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | so I don't think it's worth it | Mar 24 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | I just don't want something slower than what I have | Mar 24 10:37 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not displeased by the performance of this drive | Mar 24 10:37 |
| oiaohm_ | The 4k bit you will want to use a 4k aligned format. | Mar 24 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | faster is better but it's not painfully slow | Mar 24 10:38 |
| oiaohm_ | On 4k drives not aligned hurts big time | Mar 24 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | so if I slap the drive in and format it XFS | Mar 24 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | what does that give me? | Mar 24 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | what do you mean alignment? | Mar 24 10:38 |
| oiaohm_ | XFS formated for 4k will be good. | Mar 24 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | am I going to have to fuck with the shit beyond slap it in and format? | Mar 24 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Mar 24 10:38 |
| oiaohm_ | The partitions on it and the filesystem have to be aligned. | Mar 24 10:38 |
| oiaohm_ | If your format tools are fairly new you should be right. | Mar 24 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | oh, they're new enough | Mar 24 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | most distributions have recent XFS tools | Mar 24 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | so that's not going to be a problem | Mar 24 10:39 |
| oiaohm_ | It would be still worth checking to make sure you do pass in the right options. | Mar 24 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | XFS never lets me down | Mar 24 10:39 |
| oiaohm_ | So the drive does give its best. | Mar 24 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | no matter what I have, it's never close to exceeding the specs XFS can handle | Mar 24 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | a 1 TB hard drive is less than 1/10th of 1% of the maximum partition size that XFS can make | Mar 24 10:40 |
| DaemonFC | that's......impressive | Mar 24 10:41 |
| DaemonFC | at the rate the average hard drive capacity is expanding, XFS would be sufficient well into the 22nd century | Mar 24 10:42 |
| oiaohm_ | Really 1TB is nothing to the people are the project leads of XFS | Mar 24 10:43 |
| oiaohm_ | 1TB is computer ram number. | Mar 24 10:43 |
| oiaohm_ | Yes that is a scary fact. | Mar 24 10:43 |
| oiaohm_ | they have multi systems with 1 tb of ram each. | Mar 24 10:43 |
| cubezzz | 640 TB's is all you need | Mar 24 10:43 |
| oiaohm_ | cubezzz: that have that spreed across about that number of systems. | Mar 24 10:44 |
| oiaohm_ | Yes eep. | Mar 24 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | XFS's maximum partition size is 8 Exbibytes on 32-bit Linux and 16 Exbibytes on 64-bit Linux | Mar 24 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | according to Wikipedia | Mar 24 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | but if you go above 1 TB you should set the inode64 mount option | Mar 24 10:44 |
| oiaohm_ | They are currently redesign XFS because they have hit that for 64 bit. | Mar 24 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | according to the documentation | Mar 24 10:44 |
| cubezzz | DaemonFC, yes but did you know that the Sinclair ZX80 had 1K of ram? :) | Mar 24 10:44 |
| DaemonFC | or it could start running out of inodes to allocate at some point | Mar 24 10:45 |
| oiaohm_ | Lets just say they have large storage. | Mar 24 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | oiaohm_: is inode64 to be specified at creation time? | Mar 24 10:45 |
| oiaohm_ | 16 Exbibytes is not enough | Mar 24 10:45 |
| DaemonFC | or can you just set it later? | Mar 24 10:45 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: at create. | Mar 24 10:45 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: xfs is a very solid filesystem that way. | Mar 24 10:46 |
| oiaohm_ | You cannot shrink a xfs file system either. | Mar 24 10:46 |
| cubezzz | I sure it must be fun to defrag multi-terabyte hard drives | Mar 24 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | so I'd need to mess around with the advanced formatting options | Mar 24 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | in Anaconda | Mar 24 10:46 |
| oiaohm_ | You can only make it larger. | Mar 24 10:46 |
| DaemonFC | or use the alternate installer for Ubuntu | Mar 24 10:46 |
| oiaohm_ | cubezzz: part of xfs natural operations it defrags | Mar 24 10:46 |
| oiaohm_ | cubezzz: and has a while mounted defrag tool. | Mar 24 10:46 |
| cubezzz | it will need that :) | Mar 24 10:46 |
| oiaohm_ | Define of XFS is the file system when you need lots and large. | Mar 24 10:47 |
| cubezzz | oiaohm_, what does IBM use on it's mainframes? | Mar 24 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Mar 24 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | I used it originally because the performance of Ext3 with large files is pathetic | Mar 24 10:48 |
| DaemonFC | Ext4 mproved on that a lot | Mar 24 10:48 |
| oiaohm_ | Ext4 still looks pathetic next to XFS | Mar 24 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | access time is really the only win my drive has over this 2 TB Barracuda Green | Mar 24 10:50 |
| oiaohm_ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FegjLbCnoBw Good video of one of the XFS leads picking on Ext and Btrfs | Mar 24 10:50 |
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| DaemonFC | Ext3 is terrible | Mar 24 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | it's unusable | Mar 24 10:51 |
| DaemonFC | trying to allocate space for a file spanning even hundreds of MB can take a long time | Mar 24 10:51 |
| oiaohm_ | You should see btrfs when pushed to limit. | Mar 24 10:51 |
| oiaohm_ | Xfs guys have developed at lot of tools to pick on filesystems. | Mar 24 10:52 |
| oiaohm_ | and I really do mean pick on filesystems. | Mar 24 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's no surprise that Andrew Morton fought enabling write barriers on Ext3 | Mar 24 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | those make it about 20% slower than it already was | Mar 24 10:52 |
| DaemonFC | it's hard to find benchmarks that don't involve Windows | Mar 24 10:53 |
| DaemonFC | but at least it gives me an idea of one model vs. the other | Mar 24 10:53 |
| oiaohm_ | Really watch the Dave Chinner | Mar 24 10:54 |
| oiaohm_ | his bench marking method is down right impressive. | Mar 24 10:54 |
| oiaohm_ | Right down to faking the harddrive and watching every operating the filesystem drive does. | Mar 24 10:54 |
| cubezzz | I've been using ext3 on my server for 9 years now | Mar 24 10:55 |
| oiaohm_ | 9 years ago it was the right choice. | Mar 24 10:55 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Leaving Montreal for !libreplanet. See you all there! (A little bothered I'm going to miss most of Day 1, but that's how it goes sometimes.) | Mar 24 10:55 | |
| oiaohm_ | XFS had issues back then. | Mar 24 10:55 |
| *DaemonFC is listening to Lift Me Up by Moby on Go: The Very Best Of Moby [Amarok] | Mar 24 10:57 | |
| DaemonFC | *sigh* | Mar 24 10:57 |
| cubezzz | zfs ftw :) | Mar 24 10:59 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.seagate.com/ww/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=c9d88cf6a794b110VgnVCM100000f5ee0a0aRCRD | Mar 24 10:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: ST31000333AS Barracuda 7200.11 SATA 3Gb/s 1-TB Hard Drive | Seagate .::. Size~: 63.51 KB | Mar 24 10:59 |
| DaemonFC | there's what I am using now | Mar 24 10:59 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Did you delete already? I'll do an offline backup. | Mar 24 11:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Thanks! | Mar 24 11:00 | |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Barracuda-3-5-Inch-Internal-ST2000DL003/dp/B004CCS266/ref=sr_1_3?s=pc&ie=UTF8&qid=1332583949&sr=1-3 | Mar 24 11:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Amazon.com: Seagate Barracuda Green 2TB SATA 6Gb/s 64MB Cache 3.5-Inch Internal Bare Drive ST2000DL003: Computers & Accessories .::. Size~: 502.74 KB | Mar 24 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | well, this one does also have twice the cache | Mar 24 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | that probably has a large impact | Mar 24 11:00 |
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| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to MinceR | Mar 24 11:27 | |
| oiaohm_ | Scary part is seagate is planing 60T plus harddrives in a few years. | Mar 24 11:27 |
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| DaemonFC | I'm going to see if I can get Seagate to cover this under warranty | Mar 24 11:40 |
| DaemonFC | someone said they managed to | Mar 24 11:40 |
| DaemonFC | hmmm | Mar 24 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | they have Seatools for DOS on a FreeDOS-based bootable ISO | Mar 24 11:42 |
| DaemonFC | lets burn that and see what that has to say about my drive | Mar 24 11:43 |
| DaemonFC | something tells me that diagnostic tools from the manufacturer are probably in a better position to perform a proper diagnosis than something written for GNOME | Mar 24 11:44 |
| oiaohm_ | DaemonFC: really smartctl and Seatools basically work the same. | Mar 24 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | brb | Mar 24 11:45 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Anybody else has his Cookie Monster forget the settings between !firefox restarts in !linux? extremely annoying! #WTF | Mar 24 11:45 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Intel Assures Monopoly Through Patents http://ur1.ca/8sj9o #swpats #intel | Mar 24 11:45 | |
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| fewt | quick change the locks! /joke | Mar 24 11:45 |
| MinceR | :) | Mar 24 11:52 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft Bribes, Anti-competitive Tactics http://ur1.ca/8sjbr #uefi #antitrust #eu #fsfe | Mar 24 11:57 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft Forbids Competition http://ur1.ca/8sjft #apple | Mar 24 12:08 | |
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| DaemonFC | it actually did end up telling me what the Disks utility did | Mar 24 12:09 |
| DaemonFC | but according to Seagate, a few bad sectors is "normal and doesn't mean the drive is about to fail" and they say that this drive has several thousand left for reallocation | Mar 24 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | thousands | Mar 24 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | must happen quite a bit and they really don't want drives being returned | Mar 24 12:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] #Microsoft Proxies Controlling the Open Source Message http://ur1.ca/8sjih #opensource #osi | Mar 24 12:22 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: @10comm of course. @NeelieKroesEU's department happens to fund #GEANT we think it is a crown-jewel of Euro http://p.ost.im/p/e4r4J8 | Mar 24 12:33 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: @herr_arendt there will be a proposal related to this later in the year. A little more detail is at http:// http://p.ost.im/p/e4UYd2 | Mar 24 12:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[schestowitz/@schestowitz] Despite Moles, Patents, and Lawsuits, Linux-based Platforms Rule Mobility http://ur1.ca/8sjmz #swpats #android | Mar 24 12:40 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Facebook set to change its #privacy policy again http://goo.gl/4gy47 we can do what we want with your info in our walled garden | Mar 24 13:27 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] 10 Funny And Useless !Linux Commands http://ow.ly/9PTaL including the legendary #cowsay | Mar 24 13:42 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[jra/@jra] At LibrePlanet2012 in Boston. University filters all ports except 80 and 443. This is not Internet access, this is Facebook access.. | Mar 24 13:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Idiotic Idea of the Day: Jailing Lurkers of Terror Websites | Wired http://goo.gl/TtAH8 #sarkonazi | Mar 24 14:07 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Sarkozy Seeks To Criminalize 'Habitually Visiting' Websites About Violence | Techdirt http://goo.gl/bSg4B #sarkonazi | Mar 24 14:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] #Gaddafi 'contributed €50m to Sarkozy's 2007 presidential election fund' | World news | The Guardian http://goo.gl/onTJt #libya #sarkonazi | Mar 24 14:10 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Gaddafi 'contributed €50m to Sarkozy's 2007 presidential election fund' | World news | The Guardian .::. Size~: 112.39 KB | Mar 24 14:10 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[diablod3/@diablod3] Layers of temp agencies allow WalMart's supply chain to shave pennies through illegal working conditions http://identi.ca/url/68323417 | Mar 24 14:17 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] The French Connection: Are we watching Gladio-style electioneering by terror? | End the Lie http://goo.gl/tA2TQ #sarkonazi #psyops | Mar 24 14:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] !LibreOffice Cloud version releasing in April, !Android version soon http://ping.fm/KQe8O | Mar 24 15:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Could governments recognise ANYONE instantly via #CCTV? Japanese camera can scan 36 million faces per second http://goo.gl/1xEms #nwo | Mar 24 15:05 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Mystery solved? Turin Shroud linked to Resurrection of Christ - Telegraph http://goo.gl/2uv9K #xfiles | Mar 24 15:05 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Could governments recognise ANYONE instantly via CCTV? Japanese camera can scan 36 million faces per second | Mail Online .::. Size~: 102.62 KB | Mar 24 15:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Mystery solved? Turin Shroud linked to Resurrection of Christ - Telegraph .::. Size~: 79.68 KB | Mar 24 15:05 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] The ex-FBI informant with a change of heart: 'There is no real hunt. It's fixed' http://gu.com/p/368z9 | Mar 24 15:13 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The ex-FBI informant with a change of heart: 'There is no real hunt. It's fixed' | World news | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 108.54 KB | Mar 24 15:13 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] The shocking thing about the Mail Online's sidebar of shame http://gu.com/p/36d86 | Mar 24 15:17 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: The shocking thing about the Mail Online's sidebar of shame | Andrew Brown | Comment is free | guardian.co.uk .::. Size~: 268.95 KB | Mar 24 15:17 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Esta Semana (2012/12) – Hospital do Porto instala OpenOffice; Sarkonazi e os atentados; NSA em força « O Vigia http://goo.gl/ENtjO #blog | Mar 24 15:37 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Esta Semana (2012/12) – Hospital do Porto instala OpenOffice; Já nem as moscas mudam neste país; TGV acabou?; Sarkonazi e os atentados; NSA em força « O Vigia .::. Size~: 132.77 KB | Mar 24 15:37 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] in #denial http://goo.gl/hltet #Whitney is to blame for her decision to buy the coke she was on when she died, nobody else #addiction | Mar 24 15:45 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] a sick and disrespectful way to respond would be to exhume #Whitney and point to her "there you go, there's your coke fiend" | Mar 24 15:47 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] "shall we arrest her now? I doubt she'll resits, I could also confidently say she's not a flee risk after she's tested for zombie DNA" | Mar 24 15:48 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Thanks to @jpope for the clarification on the *unforthcoming* !LibreOffice Cloud version http://ur1.ca/8skk7 | Mar 24 15:50 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Some negative impressions of !OpenOffice Impress http://ur1.ca/8skmy | Mar 24 15:55 | |
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| DaemonFC | [11:57] <Discordian> I can't grok gnome3 | Mar 24 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | [11:58] <DaemonFC> What don't you get? You just install GNOME Tweak Tool and pile on extensions until it crashes and gives you a frowny face | Mar 24 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | [11:59] <DaemonFC> clearly for geniuses only | Mar 24 16:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Microsoft #Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger http://goo.gl/ChGmT | Mar 24 16:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Classical music is good for the soul and maybe the heart too http://goo.gl/ZJHjv | Mar 24 16:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #T-Mobile's Optional #Censorship Falls Down http://goo.gl/NXT9O | Mar 24 16:00 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Unsafe? Oh yeah that must be it⸮ RD @thistleweb #Microsoft #Censors Pirate Bay Links in Windows Live Messenger http://goo.gl/ChGmT | Mar 24 16:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Massive Conflict Of Interests In #ICANN Called Out By CEO, Start To Get Some Attention http://goo.gl/Vou2D | Mar 24 16:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] People with autism have a greater ability to process information http://goo.gl/eoTeS | Mar 24 16:03 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] #Facebook Says That If You Use The Site You Agree To Its #Bogus Claim To Hold A Trademark On 'Book' http://goo.gl/DLJgx #fb | Mar 24 16:03 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Finding Success In A Wasteland By Being Open, Human And Awesome http://goo.gl/qFRh1 | Mar 24 16:05 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] ♻ @doctorow: You want to do *what* with my internets? - http://t.co/y86eHuNE | Mar 24 16:07 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Cory: You want to do *what* with my internets? | Flickr - Photo Sharing! .::. Size~: 134.49 KB | Mar 24 16:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] We Don't Want Everything For Free. We Just Want Everything http://goo.gl/CtV3S | Mar 24 16:08 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] RD @thistleweb #Facebook Says That If You Use The Site You Agree To Its #Bogus Claim To Hold A Trademark On 'Book' http://goo.gl/DLJgx #fb | Mar 24 16:08 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Nodding off in class may not be such a bad idea after all http://goo.gl/qScfT | Mar 24 16:10 | |
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| XFaCE | http://feedproxy.google.com/~r/Torrentfreak/~3/sf7wNEUrKIY/story01.htm | Mar 24 16:54 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] Downloading a !cyanogenmod ROM for the second time in 2 days. @orangekenya don't screw with me again | Mar 24 16:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Who knew? A !Reddit essay proved the best way to tackle a bully http://goo.gl/4hZlx | Mar 24 17:00 | |
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| formic_ | Chakra linux is awesome | Mar 24 17:06 |
| formic_ | I'm going to try it for a while but I think I found a keeper | Mar 24 17:06 |
| DaemonFC | one more reason to stop using MSN/WLM | Mar 24 17:07 |
| DaemonFC | if they don't like what you say, they just block it from ever being sent | Mar 24 17:07 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] RT @lnxwalt280 @reality How are you? Are you and Google a couple? | Mar 24 17:08 | |
| DaemonFC | https://torrentfreak.com/judge-bittorrent-downloads-are-protected-anonymous-speech-120321/ | Mar 24 17:10 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ccbuhr/@ccbuhr] ccbuhr: RT @Joscelyn: Ben White from British Library says that BL similar are tasked funded as if the Internet di http://p.ost.im/p/e4qSPF | Mar 24 17:10 | |
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| DaemonFC | “[These suits are].. used to extort settlements from defendants who are neither subject to the courts’ personal jurisdiction nor guilty of copyright infringement, but who are fearful of the consequences of being publicly named as a defendant in a suit that seeks disclosure of the contents of their personal computers.” | Mar 24 17:10 |
| DaemonFC | uggh | Mar 24 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | Update: Shortly after this article was published we learned that the order in question has been vacated. | Mar 24 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | It turns out that the order was drafted by a defense attorney and Judge Schumacher apparently signed it by mistake, assuming all parties agreed on it. This is bad news for the defendants and means that the mass-BitTorrent lawsuits in Florida state courts are very much alive for now. | Mar 24 17:12 |
| DaemonFC | https://torrentfreak.com/criminals-target-megaupload-users-with-fake-settlement-demands-120321/ | Mar 24 17:13 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[eebrah/@eebrah] Why is !identica chucking a wobbly about accepting my new avatar? it is PNG. what more does it want? | Mar 24 17:15 | |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: You should post that in your links, the Windows Live Messenger censorship | Mar 24 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | side not being it's damned creepy | Mar 24 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | *note | Mar 24 17:16 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.howtoforge.com/introduction-to-the-linux-mint-cinnamon-desktop | Mar 24 17:22 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Batoning with our Survival Edge - YouTube http://goo.gl/3Uf0R #coldsteel #preppers #bushcraft | Mar 24 17:30 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Currently reading: Galactic Alliance Book 2: http://goo.gl/6x9St #kindle #ebook - Its a great series! Support the indi author! | Mar 24 17:38 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] New Cyber Security Bills Open Door To Gov't, Corporate Abuse http://goo.gl/GmOXt | Mar 24 17:55 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] cryptogon » Intelligence Community Can Keep Data On Americans With No Ties To Terrorism For Up To 5 Years http://goo.gl/VeBlD #surveillance | Mar 24 17:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Not a happy bunny here...Built up a large range of Citadel paints, only to find that they are releasing a whole new revised set, of sorts. | Mar 24 17:58 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: cryptogon.com » Intelligence Community Can Keep Data On Americans With No Ties To Terrorism For Up To 5 Years .::. Size~: 12.21 KB | Mar 24 17:58 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] 10 Reasons Why Nothing You Do On The Internet Will EVER Be Private Again http://goo.gl/SISDq #usa #surveillance #policestate | Mar 24 18:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[openbytes/@openbytes] Yeah..... Here's a WIP (A Grey Knight) picture is bad...taken with webcam (no macro) http://ur1.ca/8slea | Mar 24 18:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] JOSEPH KONY, AMERICA'S PRETEXT TO INVADE AFRICA: US Marines Dispatched to Five African Countries http://goo.gl/EFrgq #usa #mic | Mar 24 18:10 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] How do I find out screen resolution of my Linux desktop? http://goo.gl/wTRl5 #gnulinux #tips #cli | Mar 24 18:10 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] U.S. Gov't To Keep Data On Non-Terrorist Citizens For 5 Years - Slashdot http://goo.gl/h7bvQ #usa #policestate | Mar 24 18:15 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] New Cyber Security Bills Open Door To Gov't, Corporate Abuse - Slashdot http://goo.gl/O6CUK #usa #policestate | Mar 24 18:15 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1454103 | Mar 24 18:29 |
| schestowitz | "Is that a tear gas...gun? " | Mar 24 18:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a Diaspora post? | Mar 24 18:29 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[wayneborean/@wayneborean] Canadian Party Politics - The NDP Convention http://wp.me/p1gQ8u-Yl #cdnpoli #ndp #ndpldr | Mar 24 18:32 | |
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| schestowitz | it's summer-like weather here today | Mar 24 18:57 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Didn't notice @evan had arrived! #lp2012 | Mar 24 18:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Feeling pretty great about #lp2012 | Mar 24 18:58 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Brett Smith: Southern Gentleman dropping a "you alls" #lp2012 | Mar 24 19:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] Matt Lee is attending FOO272: The FooBar. | Mar 24 19:07 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] RT @davexunit Can't be at #lp2012 today, but being able to listen to the live stream is nice. | Mar 24 19:12 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Evan Prodromou is attending FOO272: The FooBar. | Mar 24 19:17 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[evan/@evan] Uh... so this means there's a bar somewhere on premise I can get to right now? | Mar 24 19:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] Tweet seats deserve to be booed out of the theater http://goo.gl/ewY5F | Mar 24 19:18 | |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Just got back from my LUG for a first time, that was fun. | Mar 24 19:32 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Israeli Spying in the United States » http://goo.gl/R4X5o + An Israeli Trojan Horse http://goo.gl/eWg6q | Mar 24 19:33 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] @evan shhh, I'm trying to corrupt @x11r5 with deviant thoughts :) :D | Mar 24 19:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] I gotta say #Tesco #LightChoices soup is fantastic; found two real nice flavours, #Tomato & #ThreeBeansAndVegetable :D | Mar 24 19:37 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Did #Obama sign a martial law executive order? — RT http://goo.gl/b7b36 #usa #policestate #martiallaw | Mar 24 19:42 | |
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| scientes | java jive | Mar 24 19:51 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] #Kickstarter project seeks to flush #SOPA and #PIPA http://goo.gl/2SDEu | Mar 24 20:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] And it looks like that project will need our help because the #SOPA #PIPA maniacs are still at it http://goo.gl/aqUMb | Mar 24 20:08 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: With SOPA shelved, anti-piracy advocates take new approaches - CNN.com .::. Size~: 47.38 KB | Mar 24 20:08 |
| schestowitz | "anti-piracy advocates" | Mar 24 20:09 |
| schestowitz | CNN, how much can you SUCK? | Mar 24 20:09 |
| schestowitz | "SOPA appears to be dead. But the battle over Internet piracy is not." | Mar 24 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Internet piracy | Mar 24 20:10 |
| schestowitz | LOL WOT? | Mar 24 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Well, who can possibly NOT be against "piracy"? | Mar 24 20:10 |
| schestowitz | Wgar just journalism | Mar 24 20:10 |
| schestowitz | "Supporters said they expect most Web users will stop downloading copyrighted material once they realize it's not legal." | Mar 24 20:11 |
| schestowitz | "downloading copyrighted material " | Mar 24 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Oh, that sounds to sound more reasonable | Mar 24 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Not so much like "piracy" | Mar 24 20:11 |
| schestowitz | gah | Mar 24 20:11 |
| schestowitz | When I visit CNN is downloade copyrighted materia | Mar 24 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Their articles | Mar 24 20:11 |
| schestowitz | Logos, graphics, etc,. | Mar 24 20:12 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mrdenticator/@mrdenticator] Yesterday top #statustician is thistleweb from identi.ca with 102 dents! | Mar 24 20:12 | |
| schestowitz | Copyrighted material is downloaded all the time, or viewed (Downloaded to brain) | Mar 24 20:12 |
| schestowitz | my .kde directory has a copy of the CNN article in cache now | Mar 24 20:12 |
| schestowitz | It's copyrighted material | Mar 24 20:12 |
| schestowitz | gee, I'm SO naughty | Mar 24 20:13 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] But the #TPP maniacs are even worse http://goo.gl/jzzTM | Mar 24 20:18 | |
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| MinceR | 211116 < schestowitz> "downloading copyrighted material " | Mar 24 20:19 |
| MinceR | almost all material that is downloaded is copyrighted | Mar 24 20:19 |
| MinceR | since it's copyrighted by default | Mar 24 20:19 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: they meant "uploading" | Mar 24 20:20 |
| schestowitz | but they don\t understand the subject | Mar 24 20:20 |
| schestowitz | and the MAFIAA wants download to be illegal too | Mar 24 20:20 |
| MinceR | and if that's not legal, then i'm sure that people will stop watching CNN once they realize it's copyrighted and they haven't signed a license agreement. | Mar 24 20:20 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Would I be the only one to leave !Twitter if Apple bought them, I wonder http://goo.gl/iAfQ4 | Mar 24 20:22 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Should Apple Buy Twitter? - Businessweek .::. Size~: 54.11 KB | Mar 24 20:22 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] A drop in the ocean, surely? » Oracle to ask around $100 million from !Google over the !Android / !Java lawsuit http://goo.gl/gNaj0 | Mar 24 20:23 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Oracle to receive around $100 million from Google over the Android / Java lawsuit. .::. Size~: 55.97 KB | Mar 24 20:23 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1432303 | Mar 24 21:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @darkvador@joindiaspora.com: #shark #horror #gif | Mar 24 21:10 |
| MinceR | the legendary hashtag-eating shark? | Mar 24 21:11 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1413895 | Mar 24 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @darkvador@joindiaspora.com: #starwars He cannot escape his destiny... | Mar 24 21:12 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: big fish https://joindiaspora.com/posts/1383526 | Mar 24 21:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @darkvador@joindiaspora.com: | Mar 24 21:13 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[mattl/@mattl] @evan talking about pudding or something #lp2012 | Mar 24 21:14 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @x11r5: @morpheus Currently trying to be a heating chair day, i love it << #hotwaterbot | Mar 24 21:15 | |
| schestowitz | test | Mar 24 21:20 |
| MinceR | schestowitz: http://darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0033.html | Mar 24 21:20 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: also, http://www.darthsanddroids.net/episodes/0208.html | Mar 24 21:20 |
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| schestowitz | freenode lag | Mar 24 21:20 |
| schestowitz | blech | Mar 24 21:21 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I didn't know there was a shark meme | Mar 24 21:21 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] ♺ @psquid: @thistleweb Isn't that called an enema? << lol | Mar 24 21:28 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: Ik moet stoppen met coden. Ik ben te oud geworden. #appsforghent #themissingh | Mar 24 22:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: En nu eens zien naar team @iRail #AppsForGhent | Mar 24 22:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: Een brand in het datacenter heeft ervoor gezorgd dat de app nu niet toonbaar is: databank offline. Als http://ur1. ... | Mar 24 22:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: Best onder de indruk van de app van Arteveldestudenten! #appsforghent | Mar 24 22:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @vanherbruggen: Students ready to rock #appsforghent | Mar 24 22:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: RT @hannesvdvreken: Wil iedereen die zich ooit in Gent heeft ingecheckt op foursquare eens inloggen op http://ur1. ... | Mar 24 22:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[pietercolpaert/@pietercolpaert] RT @ pietercolpaert: It's a bright cold Saturday and the clocks are strikings 8 am. I'm on a tram towards #AppsForGhent. Ghent, you owe ... | Mar 24 22:00 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Chrome OS coming to ARM? http://ping.fm/BwAtw | Mar 24 22:00 | |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Title: Chrome OS coming to ARM? -- Engadget .::. Size~: 77.58 KB | Mar 24 22:00 |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[silner/@silner] Apparently !Chrome OS is coming to ARM? http://ping.fm/ZrUJ1 | Mar 24 22:02 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] !tzag Good evening !Identiverse :). | Mar 24 22:18 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[sebsebseb/@sebsebseb] Today I went to the #LUG for my 1st time & met people for a 1st time, that was fun :). Gave out official !Mageia 1 CD's as well :). #Mageia | Mar 24 22:30 | |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: today went to LUG for first time that was fun :) | Mar 24 22:30 |
| schestowitz | BLUG BLUG BLUG | Mar 24 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: WHAT WHAT WHAT ????????? | Mar 24 22:33 |
| *MinceR helps schestowitz out of the water | Mar 24 22:34 | |
| schestowitz | blag | Mar 24 22:37 |
| MinceR | blogoblag! | Mar 24 22:37 |
| MinceR | http://xkcd.com/181/ | Mar 24 22:41 |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[rysiek/@rysiek] Wybijmy Okna! Czyli Patyczak w najlepszej formie! :D bit.ly/GWzqkG !linux !fs !polska !fwioo | Mar 24 23:12 | |
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| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] watched #JackieBrown the other night for the 1st time in yrs, that movie is class, fantastic performances all round | Mar 24 23:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[thistleweb/@thistleweb] got #WayOfTheGun and #Ronin on the "#rewatch cool movie" list | Mar 24 23:35 | |
| -TRIdentica/#techrights-[ovigia/@ovigia] Sepuh Crafts http://goo.gl/EWKyc interesting blades #bushcraft #preppers | Mar 24 23:57 | |
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