Techrights logo

IRC: #boycottnovell @ FreeNode: June 17th, 2013

Join us now at the IRC channel.

*libertyboxes has quit (Ping timeout: 245 seconds)Jun 17 01:51
*libertyboxes (~liberty@host86-180-249-56.range86-180.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellJun 17 01:51
*cubelog has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)Jun 17 01:53
*schestowitz has quit (Read error: Connection reset by peer)Jun 17 01:57
*schestowitz (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovellJun 17 01:57
*ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitzJun 17 01:57
*cubelog (~cubeman@maxhost.org) has joined #boycottnovellJun 17 02:01
*puppywatch has quit (Ping timeout: 264 seconds)Jun 17 02:17
*puppywatch (~PuppyWatc@host86-180-249-56.range86-180.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellJun 17 02:18
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2699695Jun 17 02:24
TechrightsBot@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Crappy tech tabloid #zdnet http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/ZDNet is deceiving readers by giving US-only numbers from MS partner http://www.zdnet.com/comscore-apple-remains-smartphone-king-android-reigns-over-os-market-7000016387/Jun 17 02:24
TechrightsBot-> Title: ZDNet - Techrights .::. Size~: 19.32 KBJun 17 02:24
TechrightsBot-> Title: comScore: Apple remains smartphone king; Android reigns over OS market | ZDNet .::. Size~: 57.12 KBJun 17 02:24
schestowitz"true!"Jun 17 02:24
*pidgin_log has quit (Quit: Leaving.)Jun 17 04:25
*pidgin_log (~roy@host86-180-249-56.range86-180.btcentralplus.com) has joined #boycottnovellJun 17 04:26
*schestowitz has quit (Quit: Konversation term)Jun 17 04:35
-NickServ-schestowitz!~schestowi@host86-180-249-56.range86-180.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz)Jun 17 04:35
*schestowitz (~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz) has joined #boycottnovellJun 17 04:35
*ChanServ gives channel operator status to schestowitzJun 17 04:35
*MinceR has quit (Ping timeout: 248 seconds)Jun 17 07:23
*MinceR (~mincer@62-165-215-236.pool.digikabel.hu) has joined #boycottnovellJun 17 07:24
*MinceR has quit (Changing host)Jun 17 07:24
*MinceR (~mincer@unaffiliated/mincer) has joined #boycottnovellJun 17 07:24
*ChanServ gives channel operator status to MinceRJun 17 07:29
schestowitz> I'll look for it.Jun 17 10:28
schestowitz> Jun 17 10:28
schestowitz> Back then the sentiment of the *entire* IT sector was what would beJun 17 10:28
schestowitz> nowadays called 'anti-Microsoft'  Not a few hours went by during theJun 17 10:28
schestowitz> day without a new behavior coming to light.  Here's one:Jun 17 10:28
schestowitz> Jun 17 10:28
schestowitz> 4 December: Microsoft modified some of the software itJun 17 10:28
schestowitz> used as part of Windows Update, with the result thatJun 17 10:28
schestowitz> there was incompatibility between the new version ofJun 17 10:28
schestowitz> Windows 98 and Felten's program.Jun 17 10:28
schestowitz> Jun 17 10:28
schestowitz> http://www.theregister.co.uk/1999/02/04/allchin_heads_for_video_remix/Jun 17 10:28
schestowitz> Jun 17 10:28
TechrightsBotTitle: Allchin heads for video remix • The Register .::. Size~: 41.36 KBJun 17 10:28
schestowitz> Sun (or whoever worked on the ODF-Reader program) kept a tight lid onJun 17 10:28
schestowitz> pre-release versions so that M$ could not pull that same trick.  IfJun 17 10:28
schestowitz> the reader got out early, M$ could have made an 'update' to WindowsJun 17 10:28
schestowitz> which broke the reader.Jun 17 10:28
schestowitzMicrosoft now provides its own broken ODF 'support' - now it can say ODF is "flawed" and you will "risk losing data" if you don't use 'Open' XML.Jun 17 10:28
schestowitzGot this from RMSJun 17 19:23
schestowitz> I think what we crucially need is a way to pay anonymously to use anJun 17 19:23
schestowitz> Internet service.Jun 17 19:23
schestowitzThis is possible to a degree. A year ago I wrote about all sorts of hotspots (wireless access points) being used anonymously in Manchester. This is getting rare now due to new (ish) laws that seek to ban anonimity on the Web  and require registration under the guise of security ("terrorism"), copyright, and protecting children ("porn"). In First Class rail travel (express trains to London for instance) anonymity is possible; for "Jun 17 19:23
schestowitzcoach" (standard) it is not, but you would have to pay with cash for a First Class ticket. Weird but true. Internet cafes with your own device, assuming your MAC address isn't recognised by companies like Google that harvest these (with NSA/GCHQ tapping point), is also still possible. Over time I noted that anonymous payments are becoming harder to make; most recently, when flying from Manchester Airport, Boots (newspapers and Jun 17 19:23
schestowitzsnacks chain, among other things) insisted that I hand over my boarding pass to purchase a pack of chewing gum. Ironically, that was the same days Lords were lobbying for the Snoopers' Charter. Incentives/awards cards help companies like Tesco and Sainsbury's convince people to give their ID even when paying with cash (they then pass this data of yours around, as recently revealed by The Guardian).Jun 17 19:23
schestowitzAnonymity relates to free speech and conversely censorship. It also relates to privacy and indirectly to Free software, which can overcome behaviour that's a disservice to use.Jun 17 19:23
schestowitzWhen will you be at the FSF's office in Boston and how can I reach you through SIP? Is Debbie or someone else the suitable person to approach for arranging a call?Jun 17 19:23
schestowitz>> This is possible to a degree. A year ago I wrote about all sortsJun 17 19:33
schestowitz>> of hotspots (wireless access points) being used anonymously in Jun 17 19:33
schestowitz>> Manchester. This is getting rare now ...Jun 17 19:33
schestowitz> Jun 17 19:33
schestowitz> Oulu, Finland has (or at least used to have) open wireless throughoutJun 17 19:33
schestowitz> the whole downtown.  That ought to be a useful case study if you canJun 17 19:33
schestowitz> find someone from there.  In other towns, less tech oriented, likeJun 17 19:33
schestowitz> Rovaniemi, there aren't any open hot spots.Jun 17 19:33
schestowitzSome might be honeypots (after the latest explosive revelations about UK spying). Sometimes my tablet catches an open Wi-Fi in Town centre and throws some E-mails through it without me intending for it to happen (with TLS enabled). Maybe they're just access points that are open on people's phone or some Internet cafe, who knows... but I generally distrust the intel. community here, esp. after what we found out about NSA (I knew NSA Jun 17 19:33
schestowitzwas bad, but not that GCHQ was so complicit).Jun 17 19:33
schestowitz>     NSA admits listening to U.S. phone calls without warrantsJun 17 19:44
schestowitz>     http://news.cnet.com/8301-13578_3-57589495-38/nsa-admits-listening-to-u.s-phone-calls-without-warrants/Jun 17 19:44
TechrightsBotTitle: NSA spying flap extends to contents of U.S. phone calls | Politics and Law - CNET News .::. Size~: 92.08 KBJun 17 19:44
schestowitz> Jun 17 19:44
schestowitz> I have read that that story was based on misunderstanding.Jun 17 19:44
schestowitzUntil Glenn Greenwald releases the remainder of the details (he holds on to technical aspects and sits on most of the leaked documents, despite Snowden asking for full release) or copies them for Wikileaks to publish in full, there is room for plausible deniability. I called on him about half a dozen times to bypass The Guardian's editors by passing the documents to those who would refute damage control by showing the gory details. Jun 17 19:44
schestowitzUncertainty has long been exploited by the NSA, which chooses its words carefully (although Clapper was already caught lying -- an impeachable offence).Jun 17 19:44
schestowitz>     On my desktop I have half a dozen SIP clients; my favourite is jitsi,Jun 17 19:44
schestowitz>     which I first tried 2+ years ago while it was in beta. I use it moreJun 17 19:44
schestowitz>     than 10 hours a day. On Android, which most of my family uses,Jun 17 19:44
schestowitz>     Linphone (Free software) does SIP (with TLS).Jun 17 19:44
schestowitz> Jun 17 19:44
schestowitz> I didn't know they did encryption.  I will try to see if one of themJun 17 19:44
schestowitz> can work on this machine.Jun 17 19:44
schestowitzJitsi may require nonfree Java (maybe OpenJDK), but I have had the best experiences with it features-wise. It's also the one Appelbaum  (of Tor and Wikileaks) recommends.Jun 17 19:45
schestowitzNoise cancellation and other features make Jitsi in many ways superior to the proprietary counterparts from Microsoft and Google. It's not perfect, but it is cross-platform (so everyone should be able to use it) and it is Free/libre. Many other SIP clients that I tried were simply not reliable enough for persistent use.Jun 17 19:45
schestowitzBy the way, I searched stallman.org for your PGP keys, but was unable to find anything, so I assume our E-mails are subjected to retention.Jun 17 19:45
schestowitz> The one downtown Oulu was arranged by the business community and city.Jun 17 20:01
schestowitz> I guess it could be in part a honeypot.  Then again so could some ofJun 17 20:01
schestowitz> the closed ones, too.Jun 17 20:01
schestowitz> Jun 17 20:01
schestowitz> Wireless security, even WPA2, is mostly non-existent and anything overJun 17 20:01
schestowitz> wireless ought to be tunneled over a secure VPN or SSH.Jun 17 20:01
schestowitz> Jun 17 20:01
schestowitz> Rovaniemi just doesn't have the community spirit that many otherJun 17 20:01
schestowitz> regions have.  Tromso was really good in that department.  On theJun 17 20:01
schestowitz> network side, it manifested in a fibre ring circumnavigating theJun 17 20:01
schestowitz> downtown and immediate suburbs.  The whole island was covered by wifiJun 17 20:01
schestowitz> by 2004.Jun 17 20:01
schestowitzMaybe they can set up city-wide wireless mesh networking. There were attempts to make that happen in Manchester a decade ago (I subscribed to the list relating to it). Centralisation by those in power helps depress such efforts and choke them.Jun 17 20:01
schestowitzhttps://joindiaspora.com/posts/2732005Jun 17 20:02
TechrightsBot@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Booz Allen Hamilton Holding Corp is strongly connected to the notorious Carlyle Group. For the uninitiated: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlyle_Group#DocumentariesJun 17 20:02
TechrightsBot-> Title: Carlyle Group - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia .::. Size~: 169.35 KBJun 17 20:02
schestowitz"Don't fool yourself; Zbigniew Brzezinski is a master brain for both parties. He's a Globalist (neo-Liberal). Where on Earth did you get the idea that he's a partisan figure?"Jun 17 20:02

Generated by irclog2html.py 2.6 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!