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| schestowitz | wrong paste | Sep 10 02:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/koolhead17/status/374749799179759617 | Sep 10 02:13 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/koolhead17/status/374749799179759617 | Sep 10 02:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @koolhead17: @schestowitz So all your predication were came true. :) | Sep 10 02:15 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/376330901312897025 https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/376739479811153921 | Sep 10 02:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @gnutelephony: http://t.co/sqbpkFCJNv "..privacy is a fundamental right and necessary for basic human dignity.." @schestowitz #UDHR #voip #zrtp #gnu | Sep 10 02:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> planet.gnu.org | GNU Telephony » Blog Archive » Antisipate and sipwitch progress update | Sep 10 02:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @gnutelephony: sipwitch 1.8 is now out. I think we will do very early packaging for antisipate. This software store is going to war @schestowitz | Sep 10 02:15 |
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| sebsebseb | schestowitz: oh your back | Sep 10 02:22 |
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| MisterE | schestowitz!! | Sep 10 05:14 |
| MisterE | ping! | Sep 10 05:14 |
| MisterE | I have a question about: http://techrights.org/2013/06/28/eff-should-refocus/ | Sep 10 05:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) Ought to Refocus on Crushing Software Patents, Not Patent Trolls or “Stupid Patents” | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/egrej ] | Sep 10 05:15 |
| MisterE | someone said the open source gang might have taken you out heh | Sep 10 05:16 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: mind if i take +i off #boycottnovell? | Sep 10 07:14 |
| schestowitz | yes | Sep 10 07:18 |
| schestowitz | it was an error | Sep 10 07:18 |
| schestowitz | no idea how or why this happened | Sep 10 07:18 |
| schestowitz | MisterE: hi | Sep 10 07:19 |
| MisterE | hey schestowitz | Sep 10 07:19 |
| MisterE | got a few min? | Sep 10 07:19 |
| schestowitz | sure | Sep 10 07:19 |
| schestowitz | just got back hours ago | Sep 10 07:19 |
| MisterE | I'm structuring a large donation (upper 5 figures) for EFF | Sep 10 07:20 |
| MisterE | so I read your article | Sep 10 07:20 |
| schestowitz | and my HDD went read-only whilst away | Sep 10 07:20 |
| MisterE | and *totally* agree about playing whack-a-mole with "bad" patent and trolls | Sep 10 07:20 |
| schestowitz | which really sucked, I didn't aggregate a lot of useful news | Sep 10 07:20 |
| MisterE | oh how does that happen? | Sep 10 07:20 |
| schestowitz | probably my magnetic disk is f*ed | Sep 10 07:20 |
| MisterE | JimmyCarter said you were abducted by the FOSS mafia?!?! | Sep 10 07:20 |
| schestowitz | I got a new laptop now, I'm setting it up | Sep 10 07:21 |
| MisterE | ahh yea, shit happens | Sep 10 07:21 |
| MisterE | I'm so lucks with my disks | Sep 10 07:21 |
| MisterE | lucky | Sep 10 07:21 |
| schestowitz | How does one define "FOSS mafia"? | Sep 10 07:21 |
| MisterE | I use the smartmontools | Sep 10 07:21 |
| MisterE | dunno | Sep 10 07:21 |
| MisterE | maybe he was joking | Sep 10 07:21 |
| MisterE | sec | Sep 10 07:21 |
| schestowitz | I'm neither FS nor OSS | Sep 10 07:21 |
| MisterE | [17:33:01] JimmyCarter: schestowitz disappeared recently | Sep 10 07:22 |
| MisterE | [17:37:56] JimmyCarter: assuming anti opensource operatives took him out | Sep 10 07:22 |
| MisterE | heh ok I read it wrong | Sep 10 07:22 |
| MisterE | anyways, back to the article you wrote | Sep 10 07:22 |
| schestowitz | OSS is ill-defined now | Sep 10 07:22 |
| schestowitz | MSFt claims to be OSS | Sep 10 07:22 |
| MisterE | yea dna Apple too :/ | Sep 10 07:22 |
| schestowitz | I see tat Groklaw is still going | Sep 10 07:23 |
| MisterE | oh? | Sep 10 07:23 |
| schestowitz | PJ posts links, as she did 2 years ago after she had shut down the site | Sep 10 07:23 |
| MisterE | did PJ hand over the reigns? | Sep 10 07:23 |
| MisterE | she's such an addict | Sep 10 07:23 |
| MisterE | and a bit of drama queen for as much as I like her | Sep 10 07:23 |
| MinceR | done | Sep 10 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Freedom fighters just don't due | Sep 10 07:24 |
| schestowitz | *die | Sep 10 07:24 |
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| MisterE | ahh yea, shit happens | Sep 10 07:21 |
| MisterE | I'm so lucks with my disks | Sep 10 07:21 |
| MisterE | lucky | Sep 10 07:21 |
| schestowitz | How does one define "FOSS mafia"? | Sep 10 07:21 |
| MisterE | I use the smartmontools | Sep 10 07:21 |
| MisterE | dunno | Sep 10 07:21 |
| MisterE | maybe he was joking | Sep 10 07:21 |
| MisterE | sec | Sep 10 07:21 |
| schestowitz | I'm neither FS nor OSS | Sep 10 07:21 |
| MisterE | [17:33:01] JimmyCarter: schestowitz disappeared recently | Sep 10 07:22 |
| MisterE | [17:37:56] JimmyCarter: assuming anti opensource operatives took him out | Sep 10 07:22 |
| MisterE | heh ok I read it wrong | Sep 10 07:22 |
| MisterE | anyways, back to the article you wrote | Sep 10 07:22 |
| schestowitz | OSS is ill-defined now | Sep 10 07:22 |
| schestowitz | MSFt claims to be OSS | Sep 10 07:22 |
| MisterE | yea dna Apple too :/ | Sep 10 07:22 |
| schestowitz | I see tat Groklaw is still going | Sep 10 07:23 |
| MisterE | oh? | Sep 10 07:23 |
| schestowitz | PJ posts links, as she did 2 years ago after she had shut down the site | Sep 10 07:23 |
| MisterE | did PJ hand over the reigns? | Sep 10 07:23 |
| MisterE | she's such an addict | Sep 10 07:23 |
| MisterE | and a bit of drama queen for as much as I like her | Sep 10 07:23 |
| MinceR | done | Sep 10 07:23 |
| schestowitz | Freedom fighters just don't due | Sep 10 07:24 |
| schestowitz | *die | Sep 10 07:24 |
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| MisterE | well Che might disagree | Sep 10 07:25 |
| MisterE | btu his tactics were questionable | Sep 10 07:26 |
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| MisterE | you're only a freedom fighter if you win heh | Sep 10 07:26 |
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| MisterE | anyways, about this: http://i.imgur.com/2pKsuW2.jpg?1 | Sep 10 07:26 |
| MisterE | oops, paste fail | Sep 10 07:26 |
| MisterE | well it's funny | Sep 10 07:26 |
| MisterE | this: http://techrights.org/2013/06/28/eff-should-refocus/ | Sep 10 07:26 |
| MinceR | "your move, creep" | Sep 10 07:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) Ought to Refocus on Crushing Software Patents, Not Patent Trolls or “Stupid Patents” | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/egrej ] | Sep 10 07:26 |
| MisterE | “That’s the difference between organisations such as the EFF and organisations like FFII. The latter is run and managed by technical people.” | Sep 10 07:26 |
| MisterE | so if you look at the board makeup the BOD are largely techies | Sep 10 07:27 |
| MisterE | 6 out of 8 | Sep 10 07:27 |
| MisterE | thought the advisory board is heavily weighted with lawyers | Sep 10 07:27 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.computerandvideogames.com/428338/gog-rules-out-linux-support-due-to-platform-disparity/ | Sep 10 07:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerandvideogames.com | News: GoG rules out Linux support due to platform disparity - ComputerAndVideoGames.com [ http://ur1.ca/fghx6 ] | Sep 10 07:27 |
| MisterE | you think the AB does most of the heavy listing per say? | Sep 10 07:27 |
| DaemonFC | "We can support just one (which is how Steam is doing it)" | Sep 10 07:28 |
| schestowitz | So OSS has gone political | Sep 10 07:28 |
| schestowitz | Unlike GNU and FSF | Sep 10 07:28 |
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| MisterE | you're only a freedom fighter if you win heh | Sep 10 07:26 |
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| MisterE | anyways, about this: http://i.imgur.com/2pKsuW2.jpg?1 | Sep 10 07:26 |
| MisterE | oops, paste fail | Sep 10 07:26 |
| MisterE | well it's funny | Sep 10 07:26 |
| MisterE | this: http://techrights.org/2013/06/28/eff-should-refocus/ | Sep 10 07:26 |
| MinceR | "your move, creep" | Sep 10 07:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) Ought to Refocus on Crushing Software Patents, Not Patent Trolls or “Stupid Patents” | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/egrej ] | Sep 10 07:26 |
| MisterE | “That’s the difference between organisations such as the EFF and organisations like FFII. The latter is run and managed by technical people.” | Sep 10 07:26 |
| MisterE | so if you look at the board makeup the BOD are largely techies | Sep 10 07:27 |
| MisterE | 6 out of 8 | Sep 10 07:27 |
| MisterE | thought the advisory board is heavily weighted with lawyers | Sep 10 07:27 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.computerandvideogames.com/428338/gog-rules-out-linux-support-due-to-platform-disparity/ | Sep 10 07:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerandvideogames.com | News: GoG rules out Linux support due to platform disparity - ComputerAndVideoGames.com [ http://ur1.ca/fghx6 ] | Sep 10 07:27 |
| MisterE | you think the AB does most of the heavy listing per say? | Sep 10 07:27 |
| DaemonFC | "We can support just one (which is how Steam is doing it)" | Sep 10 07:28 |
| schestowitz | So OSS has gone political | Sep 10 07:28 |
| schestowitz | Unlike GNU and FSF | Sep 10 07:28 |
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| DaemonFC | Oddly enough, Steam runs fine on several other distributions, most of which are very different from Ubuntu. | Sep 10 07:28 |
| DaemonFC | It's not like what Good Old Games decides to do really matters anyway. | Sep 10 07:29 |
| DaemonFC | They aren't DRM-infected and the newest games are 2003-2004. | Sep 10 07:29 |
| DaemonFC | Wine seems to run almost all of them. | Sep 10 07:29 |
| schestowitz | Valve might make its own distro | Sep 10 07:29 |
| DaemonFC | If they really wanted to, they could ship a custom version of the game inside its own private copy of Wine. | Sep 10 07:30 |
| schestowitz | (if it hasn't already) | Sep 10 07:30 |
| schestowitz | Gentoo-based maybe | Sep 10 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | It wouldn't be that much larger. | Sep 10 07:30 |
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| MisterE | back | Sep 10 07:35 |
| MisterE | schestowitz: I'm trying to structure how I want this donation used | Sep 10 07:36 |
| MisterE | The only patent work I'll allow it to be used for is lobbying for elimination of all software patents | Sep 10 07:36 |
| MisterE | but what about the issue comparison with FFII? | Sep 10 07:37 |
| iophk | MisterE: are they using donation money to play wack-a-mole by going after the patents one at a time? | Sep 10 07:52 |
| MisterE | indeed | Sep 10 07:52 |
| iophk | They'll run out of money then, no matter how large their budget. | Sep 10 07:53 |
| MisterE | this guy Cuban gabe then 500,000 to go after "bad" patents | Sep 10 07:53 |
| MisterE | and I've yet to see a good software patent | Sep 10 07:53 |
| MisterE | yep | Sep 10 07:53 |
| MisterE | Julie Samuels is the point person it seems | Sep 10 07:54 |
| iophk | So 50,000 to get them to spin their wheels and get stuck in the mud. | Sep 10 07:54 |
| MisterE | https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2013/06/mesh-networking-good-overbroad-patents-bad | Sep 10 07:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.eff.org | Mesh Networking, Good. Overbroad Patents, Bad. Help Us Protect Mesh Networking. | Electronic Frontier Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/eecoz ] | Sep 10 07:54 |
| MisterE | yea I think it's a retarded waste of resources | Sep 10 07:55 |
| MisterE | I wonder though if tech companies would resist | Sep 10 07:55 |
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| MisterE | I mean their value will drop significantly if those patents they hold are suddenly not worth the paper they are printed on | Sep 10 07:56 |
| iophk | probably not | Sep 10 07:56 |
| iophk | sw patents are a small part of the game | Sep 10 07:56 |
| MisterE | Google boughtMOT mainly for its patents | Sep 10 07:56 |
| MisterE | true design patents are big | Sep 10 07:56 |
| MisterE | and any important sw patents become standards patents anyways | Sep 10 07:57 |
| iophk | or are based on standards :P | Sep 10 07:57 |
| MisterE | :D | Sep 10 07:57 |
| iophk | Can the money given by Cuban be used to fight patents themselves? | Sep 10 07:58 |
| iophk | Or must it be used fighting symptoms rather than the cause? | Sep 10 07:58 |
| MisterE | i think so | Sep 10 07:58 |
| MisterE | I saw eff citing how the patents apple used against samsung had been invalidated | Sep 10 07:59 |
| iophk | They'll just change a constant in the formula and reapply for the same patent. | Sep 10 07:59 |
| iophk | For many of them it seems that USPTO does not even read the application. | Sep 10 08:00 |
| MisterE | "At the same time, another part of the EFF is going after patents one at a time rather than work to eliminate software patents as a whole. Very ambivalent over there. It is Julie Samuels again (part of a long-observed pattern [1, 2, 3, 4, 5]) and she says:" from: http://techrights.org/2013/06/28/eff-should-refocus/ | Sep 10 08:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | The Electronic Frontier Foundation (EFF) Ought to Refocus on Crushing Software Patents, Not Patent Trolls or “Stupid Patents” | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/egrej ] | Sep 10 08:00 |
| MisterE | yea I think USPTO is in bed with the companies like Wall Street with the regulators and oil companies with regulators and big pharma companies are with regulators | Sep 10 08:01 |
| iophk | Or the reviewers get evaluated on volume approved. | Sep 10 08:01 |
| MisterE | this government sees it's job is to serve the corps | Sep 10 08:01 |
| iophk | yes | Sep 10 08:01 |
| MisterE | ofc they do a corp can throw millions at your, or your opponents campaign. What does my little voice mean, not even a chance! | Sep 10 08:02 |
| MisterE | if congress has any spine at all they would legislate away citizens united and ban any elected official from serving in any lobbying capacity for at least 5-years after leaving office | Sep 10 08:03 |
| MisterE | also publicly fund elections that have only 6-week election cycles | Sep 10 08:03 |
| iophk | Campaign finance reform has been on the table for years. | Sep 10 08:04 |
| iophk | But that is what it would take. | Sep 10 08:04 |
| MisterE | the founding fathers extracted the church from government | Sep 10 08:04 |
| MisterE | they could not have imagined the scale of corps today | Sep 10 08:04 |
| MisterE | and computers | Sep 10 08:04 |
| iophk | The 5-year waiting period before moving from gov to lobbying would help. | Sep 10 08:04 |
| MisterE | Canada has that, very sensible | Sep 10 08:05 |
| iophk | What there is now is more like delayed payment bribery. | Sep 10 08:05 |
| MisterE | exactly | Sep 10 08:05 |
| iophk | The payment is held for a year or two. | Sep 10 08:05 |
| MisterE | vote on this and when you leave office we will hook you up on easy street | Sep 10 08:05 |
| MisterE | there's not a single office on K Street to represent the people | Sep 10 08:06 |
| schestowitz | [07:53] <MisterE> this guy Cuban gabe then 500,000 to go after "bad" patents | Sep 10 08:18 |
| schestowitz | Cuban also invested in vringo | Sep 10 08:18 |
| schestowitz | !google vringo techrights | Sep 10 08:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Microsoft is Giving More Patents for Patent Trolls to ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2013/06/05/vringo-feeding-frenzy/ | Sep 10 08:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Boycott Nokia! Vringo, an Anti-Android/Linux Proxy for ... - Techrights | http://techrights.org/2012/11/07/boycott-nokia/ | Sep 10 08:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Microsoft-Led Nokia Continues to Feed Patent Trolls | Techrights | http://techrights.org/2012/08/12/nokia-feeds-vringo/ | Sep 10 08:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Nokia - Techrights | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Nokia | Sep 10 08:18 |
| iophk | so leading them on a wild goose chase may have been intentional | Sep 10 08:20 |
| iophk | even if he was paying | Sep 10 08:20 |
| MisterE | wow | Sep 10 08:28 |
| MisterE | the rabbit hole goes deep | Sep 10 08:28 |
| DaemonFC | http://heraldbulletin.com/breakingnews/x789525549/Indiana-judge-finds-right-to-work-unconstitutional | Sep 10 08:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | heraldbulletin.com | Indiana judge finds right-to-work unconstitutional » Breaking News » The Herald Bulletin [ http://ur1.ca/fgijc ] | Sep 10 08:31 |
| MisterE | http://i.imgur.com/43hDUpQ.png | Sep 10 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | (Right To Work is a euphemism for dismantling unions and dramatically lowering wages.) | Sep 10 08:31 |
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| the_user_formerl | schestowitz are you around? | Sep 10 08:39 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Sep 10 09:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/377342836687269888https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/377342862268309504 | Sep 10 09:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: NSA and banks https://t.co/14aWfKVl3G | Sep 10 09:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/377342836687269888 | Sep 10 09:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Back home, will take a while to catch up with #techrights input/articles, might post vacation photos soon. #Nokia officially dead now. | Sep 10 09:10 |
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| DaemonFC | It's supposed to reach almost 100 degrees outside today. | Sep 10 11:41 |
| *DaemonFC is glad for air conditioning. | Sep 10 11:42 | |
| iophk | Sometime between jan 2012 and Apr 2012, use.perl lost some material http://web.archive.org/web/*/http://use.perl.org/~merlyn/journal/17094 | Sep 10 11:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | web.archive.org | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/fgk70 ] | Sep 10 11:42 |
| iophk | Keeping archives of the old sites is starting to become a real issue. | Sep 10 11:43 |
| iophk | A difficulty is that maintenance is dependent on the original hoster (usually) unlike old print media where the end recipient can keep an archive copy. | Sep 10 11:43 |
| DaemonFC | It costs a lot to run and maintain the archive, and copyright trolls don't make the job any easier. | Sep 10 11:44 |
| iophk | It costs something, yes, but the site can be made static. | Sep 10 11:44 |
| iophk | That reduces maintenance costs to just the monthly fees. | Sep 10 11:44 |
| iophk | Fees can be shared, in theory, with other sites. | Sep 10 11:44 |
| iophk | Then there are the registrar fees, too. | Sep 10 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | I'm surprised that copyright trolls haven't been a larger problem for the Internet Archive than they have been. | Sep 10 11:45 |
| iophk | Those are more dangerous because if the host drops the ball on registration, used domains usually end up quickly in the hands of squatters who won't let go. | Sep 10 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | The United States has the worst copyright laws in the world, and the United Nations is globalizing them. | Sep 10 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | There's fewer and fewer places that things can be freely hosted every year. | Sep 10 11:46 |
| DaemonFC | It's getting to be a major problem. | Sep 10 11:46 |
| iophk | "To promote the Progress of Science and useful Arts, by securing for limited Times..." | Sep 10 11:46 |
| iophk | http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92preface.html | Sep 10 11:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.copyright.gov | U.S. Copyright Office - Copyright Law: Preface [ http://ur1.ca/fgk8e ] | Sep 10 11:46 |
| iophk | Limited now means indefinite. | Sep 10 11:46 |
| MinceR | limited means unlimited | Sep 10 11:47 |
| MinceR | war is peace, freedom is slavery, ignorance is strength | Sep 10 11:48 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, Forever, minus one day. | Sep 10 11:48 |
| iophk | http://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/articlei#section8 | Sep 10 11:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.law.cornell.edu | Article I | U.S. Constitution | LII / Legal Information Institute [ http://ur1.ca/fgk93 ] | Sep 10 11:48 |
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| DaemonFC | Jabba has been sleeping for hours. The vet told me that he probably would... | Sep 10 11:51 |
| DaemonFC | I might go join him here in a moment. :P | Sep 10 11:51 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, I was panicking while the cat was having a seizure. I ended up going to the vet's office wearing a set of pajamas that didn't match because they were the closest clothes to put on. | Sep 10 11:52 |
| MinceR | :) | Sep 10 11:52 |
| MinceR | what did the vet find out? | Sep 10 11:52 |
| DaemonFC | He inspected the cat and said everything seemed alright but that he definitely had a seizure. He said that it's fairly common in cats this age and that I should keep an eye on him. | Sep 10 11:54 |
| DaemonFC | If it starts getting worse, he'll need to go on some anti-seizure meds and there will be more tests to run, and so on. | Sep 10 11:54 |
| MinceR | ic | Sep 10 11:54 |
| DaemonFC | Well, Jabba is going on 9 years old. He's in decent health. | Sep 10 11:55 |
| DaemonFC | I hope he makes it to 20. | Sep 10 11:56 |
| DaemonFC | I read that the record for a house cat was actually 36 years. | Sep 10 11:56 |
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| iophk | It'll be a really small statue: http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/let-s-build-a-statue-of-steve-jobs | Sep 10 12:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.indiegogo.com | Let's build a statue of Steve Jobs! | Indiegogo [ http://ur1.ca/fgkeg ] | Sep 10 12:06 |
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| MinceR | let's build something worthwhile instead | Sep 10 12:07 |
| iophk | For $742 ? | Sep 10 12:07 |
| MinceR | for any amount of value, i can think of better uses than to contribute to the worship of a dead con man | Sep 10 12:07 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR, For $742, you only get the Steve Mini. | Sep 10 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | Bring your own head, arms, and legs. | Sep 10 12:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Sep 10 12:15 |
| MinceR | and let crApple sell it and claim they invented them all? :> | Sep 10 12:15 |
| MinceR | and then proceed to sue everyone else who has head, arms or legs? | Sep 10 12:15 |
| iophk | https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/open-source-group-basque-region-save-14-million-year | Sep 10 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | joinup.ec.europa.eu | Open source group: Basque Region to save 14 million per year | Joinup [ http://ur1.ca/fgkho ] | Sep 10 12:18 |
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| JimmyCarter | anyone here have FOSS tats? | Sep 10 12:24 |
| iophk | regular or day-glo? | Sep 10 12:25 |
| iophk | Most articles give a much larger figure by including the leased patents, but the Nokia division was purchased for only EUR 3.79 billion | Sep 10 12:26 |
| iophk | http://press.nokia.com/2013/09/02/microsoft-to-acquire-nokias-devices-services-business-license-nokias-patents-and-mapping-services/ | Sep 10 12:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | press.nokia.com | Microsoft to acquire Nokia’s Devices & Services business, license Nokia’s patents and mapping services » Nokia – Press [ http://ur1.ca/fgkk0 ] | Sep 10 12:26 |
| iophk | That's not much for one that was valued in the hundreds of billions not long ago. | Sep 10 12:26 |
| JimmyCarter | zerohedge used Nokia as example for how monopoly leads to incompetency and therefore USA will argmageddon soon | Sep 10 12:27 |
| iophk | In the M$ case, the monopoly has simply allowed incompetency to flourish. | Sep 10 12:28 |
| iophk | Not much skill is needed to leverage an existing monopoly. | Sep 10 12:28 |
| iophk | That's been their core business model since near the beginning. | Sep 10 12:29 |
| iophk | Anything that is not core has been sidelined along with any non-core people. | Sep 10 12:29 |
| JimmyCarter | nokia phone market subsumed by smartphone market they didnt transition to | Sep 10 12:29 |
| iophk | They were starting a successful transition with the Meego based phone, but Elop killed that as it was rising. | Sep 10 12:30 |
| JimmyCarter | i really dont know anything about it, but that is contention of article i read | Sep 10 12:30 |
| iophk | I expect that they'll lay off quite a few more people as soon as the press quiets down. | Sep 10 12:30 |
| iophk | Few articles cover Nokia's Linux phone. | Sep 10 12:31 |
| iophk | Tomi Ahonen has brought it up more than a few times. | Sep 10 12:31 |
| iophk | It was looking like the foundation of a solid new line of phones. | Sep 10 12:32 |
| iophk | Probably put M$ in panic mode,though. | Sep 10 12:32 |
| iophk | It's amazing that the Nokia board helped M$ get their trojan horse in the door. | Sep 10 12:33 |
| JimmyCarter | https://www.google.com/finance?q=NYSE:NOK&sa=X&ei=PgQvUpC9AqiziQLq-YC4Dg&ved=0CDoQ2AE | Sep 10 12:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.google.com | Nokia Corporation (ADR): NYSE:NOK quotes & news - Google Finance [ http://ur1.ca/fgkmi ] | Sep 10 12:37 |
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| iophk | It's selling for about 5-ish now. A few years ago it was selling at 20-ish | Sep 10 12:39 |
| JimmyCarter | market cap 20B and they got 7B in cash | Sep 10 12:40 |
| JimmyCarter | seems pretty good to me | Sep 10 12:40 |
| JimmyCarter | but yeah with faith maybe they couldve turned comp around | Sep 10 12:40 |
| JimmyCarter | got back to their high etc | Sep 10 12:41 |
| iophk | It did get turned around. Elop was able to pull a 180 | Sep 10 12:41 |
| iophk | If you mean turn around again, there was too much gutted under his tenure. | Sep 10 12:41 |
| iophk | The only way to go was down unless he and the board were removed and a lot of people hired back in. | Sep 10 12:42 |
| iophk | A lot was outsourced. They even sold off their headquarters. | Sep 10 12:42 |
| iophk | No point in keeping a headquarters if the company won't be around long. | Sep 10 12:42 |
| iophk | There's been no press coverage of Newkia or Jolla, but that's where the Finns can possibly expect growth. | Sep 10 12:43 |
| iophk | I would have chosen 'Yeskia' instead of 'Newkia' for a name though. | Sep 10 12:43 |
| iophk | It still remains to be seen how serious a product Newkia can make. | Sep 10 12:44 |
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| MinceR | Nukia | Sep 10 12:44 |
| MinceR | with a mushroom cloud logo | Sep 10 12:44 |
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| MinceR | and/or radioactivity trefoil | Sep 10 12:44 |
| iophk | from orbit, it's the only way to be sure | Sep 10 12:44 |
| MinceR | indeed. | Sep 10 12:45 |
| iophk | Jolla is off to a decent start, selling out in their pre-orders: http://www.telecoms.com/173582/jolla-smartphones-sell-out/ | Sep 10 12:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.telecoms.com | Jolla smartphones sell out » Telecoms.com [ http://ur1.ca/fgknp ] | Sep 10 12:45 |
| iophk | I would have liked to see the Ubuntu Edge meet its funding goal but they set the bar way too high. | Sep 10 12:45 |
| JimmyCarter | bb says deal price as % of annual revenue is cheap copared to goog's acquisition of motorola | Sep 10 12:45 |
| iophk | bb? | Sep 10 12:46 |
| JimmyCarter | bloomberg | Sep 10 12:46 |
| iophk | ic | Sep 10 12:46 |
| iophk | But revenue has also been in freefall. | Sep 10 12:46 |
| JimmyCarter | they sold at a low | Sep 10 12:47 |
| iophk | see http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/09/the-do-it-yourself-elop-analysis.html | Sep 10 12:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: The Do-It-Yourself Elop Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/fedou ] | Sep 10 12:47 |
| iophk | Yes, Nokia was at a low, but with no real way back upwards again. | Sep 10 12:48 |
| iophk | What are they going to do? Sell Windows Phones? | Sep 10 12:48 |
| JimmyCarter | what if there was a way to save Nokia with open source? | Sep 10 12:52 |
| iophk | It looked like there was. | Sep 10 12:53 |
| iophk | Meego was FOSS | Sep 10 12:53 |
| MinceR | there definitely was | Sep 10 12:53 |
| JimmyCarter | lobby anyone rich enough to be an activist investor to influence next Nokia | Sep 10 12:54 |
| MinceR | but the board of directors appointed a m$ mole as CEO, who killed nokia (and prevented it from being saved) | Sep 10 12:54 |
| MinceR | nokia stopped being relevant then | Sep 10 12:54 |
| MinceR | it doesn't matter where they go anymore | Sep 10 12:54 |
| JimmyCarter | juts another dinosaur fight imho | Sep 10 12:55 |
| iophk | Factories were closed. | Sep 10 12:56 |
| iophk | Staff were fired. | Sep 10 12:56 |
| iophk | Activities were outsourced. | Sep 10 12:57 |
| iophk | There's not really much left. | Sep 10 12:57 |
| iophk | As mentioned, even the headquarters is gone. | Sep 10 12:57 |
| JimmyCarter | our super organisms merge and liquidate one another regularly | Sep 10 12:57 |
| iophk | They'll probably move some things to Redmond and then close most of what's left. | Sep 10 12:57 |
| JimmyCarter | you can tell the giants worms on dune to "cd pls" | Sep 10 12:58 |
| MinceR | what does "cd pls" mean in Fremen? :> | Sep 10 12:58 |
| iophk | http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/struggling-nokia-sells-headquarters-building-300892 | Sep 10 12:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | gadgets.ndtv.com | Struggling Nokia sells headquarters building | NDTV Gadgets [ http://ur1.ca/fgks4 ] | Sep 10 12:59 |
| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/sep/03/nokia-microsoft-deal-explained-graphs | Sep 10 13:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Microsoft and Nokia's problems - explained in three graphs | Technology | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fgksk ] | Sep 10 13:00 |
| JimmyCarter | now those people and that building is free to be rented to other enterprises etc | Sep 10 13:00 |
| oiaohm | JimmyCarter: what was saveable of nokia with open source is sailfish os backer. | Sep 10 13:00 |
| iophk | oiaohm: that's over at Jolla now | Sep 10 13:01 |
| oiaohm | JimmyCarter: people forget about the Jolla split off from Nokia. | Sep 10 13:01 |
| oiaohm | iophk: Jolla is the old Nokia Open Source team. | Sep 10 13:01 |
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| oiaohm | iophk: Jolla is founded by the Open Source team of Nokia selling their shares in Nokai. | Sep 10 13:02 |
| oiaohm | They truly got out at the right time. | Sep 10 13:02 |
| iophk1 | A little earlier would have been even better. | Sep 10 13:02 |
| iophk1 | But then the shares were not worth much. | Sep 10 13:03 |
| iophk1 | They were below 2 for a while. | Sep 10 13:03 |
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| oiaohm | JimmyCarter: the big catch people miss you cannot go FOSS without a developer core team. | Sep 10 13:04 |
| oiaohm | JimmyCarter: the day Nokia lost there developer core team was the day they were doomed to be aquired by someone. | Sep 10 13:05 |
| iophk | 52 week | Sep 10 13:08 |
| iophk | 2.48 - 5.58 | Sep 10 13:08 |
| iophk | http://www.google.com/finance?ei=6govUrCxFO3DwAOyDw&q=NASDAQ%3ANOK | Sep 10 13:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.google.com | Nokia Corporation (ADR): NYSE:NOK quotes & news - Google Finance [ http://ur1.ca/fgkvn ] | Sep 10 13:08 |
| iophk | http://www.google.com/finance/historical?cid=657729&startdate=Sep+11%2C+2008&enddate=Sep+10%2C+2013 | Sep 10 13:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.google.com | Nokia Corporation (ADR): NYSE:NOK historical prices - Google Finance [ http://ur1.ca/fgkw6 ] | Sep 10 13:09 |
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| JimmyCarter | well 4.0 before the acquisition surge | Sep 10 13:14 |
| JimmyCarter | i take your point that it was Nokia was on a rally... but its all relative. | Sep 10 13:16 |
| iophk | makes you wonder how much was known about the impending sale | Sep 10 13:16 |
| JimmyCarter | http://finance.yahoo.com/q/hp?s=NOK+Historical+Prices | Sep 10 13:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | finance.yahoo.com | NOK Historical Prices | Nokia Corporation Sponsored Ame Stock - Yahoo! Finance [ http://ur1.ca/fgl3g ] | Sep 10 13:23 |
| iophk | Isn't Elop one of the top ten shareholders of M$ ? | Sep 10 13:24 |
| JimmyCarter | notice the volume spike and drastic difference between next open and aug30 close | Sep 10 13:24 |
| iophk | Yes the volume spike is quite noteworthy | Sep 10 13:26 |
| iophk | But then the news was out by then | Sep 10 13:27 |
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| iophk | http://www.mobiletechworld.com/2011/02/12/former-microsoft-corporate-vice-president-appointed-president-of-nokia-inc-us/ | Sep 10 13:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.mobiletechworld.com | Former Microsoft Corporate Vice President appointed President of Nokia Inc (US) | MobileTechWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fglav ] | Sep 10 13:34 |
| iophk | old | Sep 10 13:34 |
| JimmyCarter | an algo can recognize that headline increases chances of merger | Sep 10 13:36 |
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| iophk | http://dilbert.com/1998-06-20/ — http://dilbert.com/1998-06-27/ | Sep 10 13:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | dilbert.com | The official Dilbert website with Scott Adams' color comic strips, animation, mashups and more! | Sep 10 13:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | dilbert.com | The official Dilbert website with Scott Adams' color comic strips, animation, mashups and more! | Sep 10 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: next Tuesday then! | Sep 10 13:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: sending them emails to do with installfest doesnt' seem to do much good in general | Sep 10 13:44 |
| sebsebseb | espeically when they are long! | Sep 10 13:44 |
| iophk | short e-mails are better | Sep 10 13:44 |
| iophk | one topic per mail | Sep 10 13:44 |
| sebsebseb | yeah, but the one I sent I was mentioning like three differnet things in it | Sep 10 13:44 |
| sebsebseb | hence why it became long | Sep 10 13:44 |
| sebsebseb | ,but sent another email, todo with venues I had contacted a bit, and reffering back to my other email to | Sep 10 13:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I guess I send a update email tommorow of some sort, when a venue has got back to me properly | Sep 10 13:46 |
| sebsebseb | and that's probably it really untill the meeting, unless getting some other message | Sep 10 13:46 |
| iophk | what else besides the hotel are you considering? | Sep 10 13:46 |
| iophk | Or are you getting bids from several hotels? | Sep 10 13:46 |
| sebsebseb | there's this uhmm pub basically, with like proper studios etc | Sep 10 13:46 |
| sebsebseb | that I was contacting yesterday | Sep 10 13:46 |
| sebsebseb | however it's not that cheap to book them, but may be able to get sponswership through them if sending off a proper popossal | Sep 10 13:47 |
| sebsebseb | and then the event gets mentioend in their program to | Sep 10 13:47 |
| sebsebseb | there's also a musuem, that this mini makers faire was at | Sep 10 13:47 |
| sebsebseb | ,but that really isn't cheap | Sep 10 13:47 |
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| sebsebseb | also I thought of another place as a maybe, but probably not really the best place for this etc | Sep 10 13:48 |
| sebsebseb | not that suitable probably really | Sep 10 13:48 |
| iophk | cheaper is probably better | Sep 10 13:48 |
| sebsebseb | another two places didn't get back to me | Sep 10 13:48 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: hotel is cheap | Sep 10 13:48 |
| sebsebseb | and good what we get :) | Sep 10 13:48 |
| sebsebseb | plus I guess times won't be an issue, no having to get out at 6pm for exmple or having to pay more :d | Sep 10 13:48 |
| sebsebseb | I think at the moment the hotel is the best option | Sep 10 13:49 |
| sebsebseb | unless can get that pub I was just on about with stuido etc maybe | Sep 10 13:49 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: next Tuesday we can talk about this in person :) | Sep 10 13:50 |
| sebsebseb | this stuff | Sep 10 13:50 |
| sebsebseb | that should be good :) | Sep 10 13:50 |
| iophk | It'd be good to have all the bids in by then | Sep 10 13:51 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Sep 10 13:51 |
| sebsebseb | I am not going to contact any universites or colleges (differnt from USA in UK) myself though | Sep 10 13:51 |
| sebsebseb | or not any time soon | Sep 10 13:51 |
| sebsebseb | and as I put before, I think the issue of having the event at those places, is how people may think it's aimed at students, even though it's aimed at the general public | Sep 10 13:51 |
| sebsebseb | plus it seems universites may want us to like promote them as well, if going with them | Sep 10 13:52 |
| JimmyCarter | its cool noone need baptize me to handout promotional business-cards/flyers saying Linux | Sep 10 13:54 |
| JimmyCarter | pretty good way to raise awareness/enthusiasm and meet people | Sep 10 13:55 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: hmm what was that? | Sep 10 13:56 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: doing the event I am on about for next year with some people, if can market it right, and a good venue and such | Sep 10 13:57 |
| sebsebseb | oh that should be a great way to get more Linux out there etc around here :) | Sep 10 13:57 |
| JimmyCarter | do venues know what linux is? | Sep 10 13:58 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: probably not for most of them | Sep 10 13:59 |
| sebsebseb | iwth the exception of universits and colleges I guess, but see above what I put about students etc | Sep 10 13:59 |
| JimmyCarter | venues suck you into capitalism | Sep 10 14:00 |
| sebsebseb | heh heh sounds about right, most want to be paid! | Sep 10 14:00 |
| sebsebseb | if that's what you mean | Sep 10 14:00 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: ,but with say a hotel venue for an event, they will know how to look after people in a professional type way | Sep 10 14:00 |
| sebsebseb | and this event is aimed at the general public | Sep 10 14:01 |
| sebsebseb | the average consumer etc | Sep 10 14:01 |
| sebsebseb | those who use computers, but that don't know much etc | Sep 10 14:01 |
| oiaohm | capitalism is for sure most Australian Uni's. | Sep 10 14:01 |
| sebsebseb | capitailsm in what context? | Sep 10 14:02 |
| oiaohm | No matter what 50 percent failure rate for first years. | Sep 10 14:02 |
| oiaohm | Then the same repeated for second years. | Sep 10 14:02 |
| sebsebseb | here the schools etc have their littlle legague tables and compete against each other like that, it's about those who get the top grades | Sep 10 14:02 |
| sebsebseb | in general so what, about those with low grades | Sep 10 14:02 |
| sebsebseb | or who are likely to get | Sep 10 14:02 |
| JimmyCarter | http://themetapicture.com/media/funny-metal-aluminium-Mac.jpg | Sep 10 14:02 |
| sebsebseb | and they put people in sets on ability or so they say abiilty uh right | Sep 10 14:02 |
| sebsebseb | so basically those with learning difficultes get put in the bottom groups with those that don't really care about education who can still get reasoanble grades if they bother easilly enough | Sep 10 14:03 |
| oiaohm | JimmyCarter: tenically it should be tinfill. | Sep 10 14:03 |
| sebsebseb | and then those who don't care much about education, tend to bully those with learning difficulties, or at least someone who has etc | Sep 10 14:03 |
| sebsebseb | and the groups become a nightmare | Sep 10 14:03 |
| sebsebseb | to teach or be in as a person in general | Sep 10 14:03 |
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| oiaohm | sebsebseb: I know that bulling first hand I have dylexia. | Sep 10 14:04 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: top grades in maths poor grades in english and german. | Sep 10 14:04 |
| sebsebseb | and then those in the top groups or middle groups sometimes even think those in the bottom groups with support assitants, have a load easier of a time at school, because they have in class support, but in reality no not at all, support assitant = bullying simple as that | Sep 10 14:04 |
| sebsebseb | a lot of the time | Sep 10 14:04 |
| sebsebseb | espeically if a guy it seems | Sep 10 14:04 |
| JimmyCarter | yeah right on im for classless installfest | Sep 10 14:04 |
| oiaohm | Yes it was a big disappointment thinking I work out to be about 50 percent german blood. | Sep 10 14:04 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: yeah I am talking from expereince here to hmm | Sep 10 14:04 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: yes it's meant to be aimed at everyone this event :) the general public | Sep 10 14:05 |
| sebsebseb | familes with kids the lot etc | Sep 10 14:05 |
| oiaohm | Mind you I was feared in highschool. | Sep 10 14:05 |
| sebsebseb | average people who go down the street | Sep 10 14:05 |
| sebsebseb | hence why I am a bit hmm to the whole thing about how we may be able to get a sponswer for example, if the event is aimed at the poor! | Sep 10 14:05 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: fast way to be feared is doing very scary sicnence. | Sep 10 14:05 |
| sebsebseb | it's meant to be aimed at everyone the genral public | Sep 10 14:06 |
| oiaohm | Year 9 I almost did me and the teacher in. | Sep 10 14:06 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: what was the high light? | Sep 10 14:06 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: I used entrapment prism to take a normal red lazer up to some that could fire for 4 pulse of laser strong enough to cut threw brick wall. | Sep 10 14:07 |
| sebsebseb | I am not understanding | Sep 10 14:07 |
| oiaohm | Yes sience lab ended up with 4 holes 1 in each of the outer walls. | Sep 10 14:08 |
| oiaohm | All from the entrapment crystal. | Sep 10 14:08 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: oiaohm iophk and a college is a kind of business to or run like one, that's about money and such to, same thing for a univeristy | Sep 10 14:08 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: basically highschool I did some very high risk experments. | Sep 10 14:08 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: oiaohm iophk in the case of colleges in UK, they have have low level courses for those with low grades, and have them re taking GCSE's and such to, so that's more general, aimed at everyone really, but in the case of a university uh no, it's li;ke the schools, they only care about those with the top grades, in fact to get into a good course need certain grades first, plus there's high tuition fee's for England and Wales, | Sep 10 14:09 |
| sebsebseb | where as Scotland get it free | Sep 10 14:09 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: oiaohm iophk i have no interset in promotiong a univeristy or college, and not all of these Linux type events have to be at one :) | Sep 10 14:09 |
| JimmyCarter | You know how chess players sit with a board waiting for challengers? What about people waiting for challengers for game of Linux H-O-R-S-E? | Sep 10 14:10 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: we have two levels. | Sep 10 14:10 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: you proved that you were clever at school, or what do you mean? | Sep 10 14:10 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: clever I would not call that almost killing self on a miss calcuation. | Sep 10 14:11 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: highschool I pushed my skills to the insane. | Sep 10 14:11 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | Sep 10 14:12 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: I didn't understand what you put | Sep 10 14:12 |
| oiaohm | You place a crystal on a table you point a lazer to it gets trapped inside the crystal. So now the power is increasing inside the crytal the materal of the crystal changes the freq of the lazer. | Sep 10 14:13 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: at some point it melts. | Sep 10 14:13 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: that kind of experment is highly stupid to be in the same room watching it. | Sep 10 14:13 |
| oiaohm | year 9 I was that stupid so was the teacher. | Sep 10 14:13 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: now would it be wise to pick on a person that insane. | Sep 10 14:14 |
| JimmyCarter | The game would be played as this: 1. Player with control announces Linux task, ie "List the largest file in the current directory.", 2. The challenged player then has 1 chance execute satisfying command. ie "du -a". If it succeeds control passes to other player. If fails it goes back to challenging player: "du -a | sort -nr | head", it fails again, back to other player. "du -a | sort -nr | head -2 | tail -1". succeeds. If player with contro | Sep 10 14:14 |
| oiaohm | Yes I was builed over my dyslexia up to that point sebsebseb | Sep 10 14:14 |
| JimmyCarter | so the losing player would get letter H, then O, then R. and when H O R S E is spelled out. you lose | Sep 10 14:15 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: you did something dangerous, and people thought it was cool, or what do you mean? | Sep 10 14:15 |
| JimmyCarter | its a linuxization of american basketball game also called H-O-R-S-E | Sep 10 14:16 |
| oiaohm | sebsebseb: No it was a list I had done most just feared. | Sep 10 14:16 |
| sebsebseb | oiaohm: I am not really following, but ok | Sep 10 14:16 |
| JimmyCarter | with slight difference in that in horse youre usally required to make the shot first, and in this variant you challenege people to tasks that you only attempt after their failure | Sep 10 14:16 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: I don't understand your game idea, probably since I don't play Chess and don't really know how to play it as well at the moent actsauly, yeah that could be it | Sep 10 14:16 |
| JimmyCarter | ok sebsebseb lets try playing a round | Sep 10 14:17 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: idea is to do installs, with them doing the clicking and mouse, and demonostration computers etc :) | Sep 10 14:17 |
| sebsebseb | and iophk came up with a great idea to use the TV's yesterday, Blender movies :d | Sep 10 14:17 |
| sebsebseb | if having TV's at one of the venues that considering | Sep 10 14:17 |
| sebsebseb | and then I emailed etd about that, and tought Synfig, and yep they got some videos could use to | Sep 10 14:18 |
| sebsebseb | and I guess can turn the projectecter itno a movie screen at the end to, instead of it showing the side show | Sep 10 14:18 |
| sebsebseb | Linux is for everyone! | Sep 10 14:18 |
| sebsebseb | opensource/freesoftware is for everyone! | Sep 10 14:18 |
| sebsebseb | basically | Sep 10 14:18 |
| sebsebseb | and that's the message we wnat to get out there :) | Sep 10 14:18 |
| sebsebseb | it seems yeah :) | Sep 10 14:19 |
| JimmyCarter | sebsebseb, im going to ask you for a Linux command, and you tell me off the top of your head the command, no testing in your own terimnal! | Sep 10 14:19 |
| sebsebseb | i might not know that Linux command | Sep 10 14:19 |
| sebsebseb | I don't actasuly know the commands that well | Sep 10 14:19 |
| sebsebseb | after nearly 10 years Linux distribution useage as well :d | Sep 10 14:19 |
| sebsebseb | ,because I been usign distros that in general don't need to use commands usauly and edit script files and such | Sep 10 14:19 |
| sebsebseb | for standard useage | Sep 10 14:20 |
| JimmyCarter | how do you find files under current directory with penguin in name | Sep 10 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | which brings up another point, the idea that to use Linux need to know loads of command, that's total rubbish, for most LInux cistributions | Sep 10 14:20 |
| JimmyCarter | ? | Sep 10 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | penguin in name ? | Sep 10 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | ls ? | Sep 10 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | cd /home/user/penguin | Sep 10 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | ls ? | Sep 10 14:20 |
| JimmyCarter | you only get 1 cmd | Sep 10 14:21 |
| sebsebseb | ls | Sep 10 14:21 |
| JimmyCarter | ls isnt accepted because isnt recursive and finds things not penguin | Sep 10 14:21 |
| JimmyCarter | my turn | Sep 10 14:22 |
| sebsebseb | no your game will probably just show, that I don't know that many Linux commands hmm | Sep 10 14:22 |
| JimmyCarter | i try "find -name *penguin*" but it fails | Sep 10 14:22 |
| JimmyCarter | find: illegal option -- n | Sep 10 14:22 |
| JimmyCarter | back to you sebsebseb | Sep 10 14:22 |
| sebsebseb | am I meant to ask a question? | Sep 10 14:22 |
| JimmyCarter | youre to correct or replace the command line | Sep 10 14:23 |
| JimmyCarter | still trying to find files under current dir that has penguin in filename | Sep 10 14:23 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: can't play this game with people who don't know about this stuff, coming to the event by the way | Sep 10 14:23 |
| JimmyCarter | "ls" failed, "find -name *penguin*" also failed | Sep 10 14:23 |
| sebsebseb | nope not playing anymore | Sep 10 14:23 |
| JimmyCarter | yeah hehe maybe doesnt work so good. anyway was an idea | Sep 10 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: idea is to conver tpeople with old XP intalls hopefuly | Sep 10 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | over to Linux | Sep 10 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | those kind of people | Sep 10 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | people who don't know about this stuff | Sep 10 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | people who don't know about the options | Sep 10 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | or don't know enough about etc | Sep 10 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | average people in other words yeah | Sep 10 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: Windows users! | Sep 10 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | average people | Sep 10 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | so yeah the event isn't aimed at geeks | Sep 10 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | who are already using LInux distributions | Sep 10 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: also the target audiance won't care about learning any commands I expect to | Sep 10 14:26 |
| sebsebseb | they would just want it to work, for their computer tasks, you know | Sep 10 14:26 |
| JimmyCarter | they might like watching the action | Sep 10 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: the action what? | Sep 10 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: they might like watching movies made with Blender and Synfig :) | Sep 10 14:28 |
| JimmyCarter | of two geeks playing Linux command H-O-R-S-E | Sep 10 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | nopt not having that | Sep 10 14:29 |
| JimmyCarter | The NBC/WSJ poll also shows that a whopping 74 percent agree with the statement that it’s time for the United States to do less around the world and focus more on domestic problems. That compares with 22 percent who agree that America must promote democracy and freedom across the globe, because those efforts would make the U.S. more secure. | Sep 10 14:40 |
| sebsebseb | JimmyCarter: where are you from? | Sep 10 14:40 |
| JimmyCarter | the infinite intergalactic abyss | Sep 10 14:46 |
| JimmyCarter | i currently reside in an apartment sized eastern bloc in sillicon valley | Sep 10 14:47 |
| JimmyCarter | silicon | Sep 10 14:48 |
| MinceR | SillyCon | Sep 10 14:48 |
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| MinceR | (nsfw) http://24.media.tumblr.com/219fa235c65fee0ab4c730958b423ec0/tumblr_msww0wM0CF1raw1oio1_1280.jpg | Sep 10 15:09 |
| iophk | http://www.wired.com/business/2013/09/patent-trolls-versus-startups/ | Sep 10 15:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | Patent Trolls Are Killing Startups — Except When They're Saving Them | Wired Business | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/fgnbg ] | Sep 10 15:14 |
| iophk | no direct mention of sw patents | Sep 10 15:14 |
| iophk | just misdirection about 'trolls' and imaginary property | Sep 10 15:15 |
| iophk | http://gigaom.com/2013/09/09/pgp-inventor-phil-zimmermann-open-source-legislative-judicial-actions-needed-to-pushback-surveillance-state/ | Sep 10 15:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | gigaom.com | PGP inventor Phil Zimmermann: Open source, Legislative & judicial actions needed to pushback surveillance state — Tech News and Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/fgnnf ] | Sep 10 15:30 |
| iophk | "There is open source router software and it is time to perhaps build open source routing platforms for large scale routers as well." | Sep 10 15:33 |
| iophk | Though that won't help much if those maintaining the routers are complicit with the NSA or similar agencies. | Sep 10 15:33 |
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| sebsebseb | iophk: MinceR interesting: http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/09/intel-remove-xmir-support-in-xorg-video-driver | Sep 10 18:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Intel Remove XMir Support From Xorg Driver | OMG! Ubuntu! [ http://ur1.ca/fgs5a ] | Sep 10 18:33 |
| iophk | Yeah, they're going Wayland | Sep 10 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | they don't like Mir | Sep 10 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Sep 10 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | Intel but they have a whatever in Wayland going by that blog post | Sep 10 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think we'll find that all distros are going Wayland that are still made | Sep 10 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | except for Ubuntu and distros based on it of course | Sep 10 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | ,but even there, Kubuntu watn to go Wayland to for example it seems | Sep 10 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so yeah maybe even Mint will go Wayland to | Sep 10 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | and Mir will become like Unity | Sep 10 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | a Ubuntu only or pretty much thing | Sep 10 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | at least jono will be happy to know, that at the install fest aimed at general public, going to have Ubuntu as well, because of Unity | Sep 10 18:35 |
| iophk | X is overdue for a rewrite there are a lot of (unfixable) problems with it. | Sep 10 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | yes and the X community them selves have started Wayland | Sep 10 18:36 |
| iophk | I just hope that Wayland does not end up being over-engineered | Sep 10 18:36 |
| iophk | like IPv6 and other things | Sep 10 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | over enginnereed how so? | Sep 10 18:36 |
| iophk | overly complex for what it does | Sep 10 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | That's apparnatly what Canonical were worrying about to it seems | Sep 10 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | hence Mir | Sep 10 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | Wayland is for like everything | Sep 10 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | ,but with Mir they could do something more specific for Unity and Ubuntu etc | Sep 10 18:37 |
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| iophk | sebsebseb: http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/09/nsa-backdoored-and-stole-keys/ | Sep 10 18:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | NSA's Decade-Long Plan to Undermine Encryption Includes Backdoors, Stolen Keys, Manipulating Standards | Threat Level | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/fecba ] | Sep 10 18:54 |
| iophk | Some standards can be made too complex to safely / conveniently implement | Sep 10 18:54 |
| iophk | In practice the mistakes become backdoors. | Sep 10 18:55 |
| iophk | It can happen even to established standards: | Sep 10 18:56 |
| iophk | http://marc.info/?l=openbsd-cvs&m=137162163212109&w=2 | Sep 10 18:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | marc.info | 'Re: CVS: cvs.openbsd.org: src' - MARC [ http://ur1.ca/fgst2 ] | Sep 10 18:56 |
| iophk | But garbage like OOXML are that way from the beginning. In that case, the complexity helps prevent interoperability of 3rd party tools. | Sep 10 18:56 |
| iophk | But the problem is the same. | Sep 10 18:56 |
| MinceR | i'm hoping Mir can provide an X Server on any Android device | Sep 10 19:16 |
| MinceR | but maybe that's futile | Sep 10 19:16 |
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| iophk | I don't know enough about either one to know which one to choose. For whatever reasons, all except Canonical are going for Wayland | Sep 10 19:18 |
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| Sosumi | yay, iphone 5s, now with a fingerprint scanner and a motion co-processor and all fine tuned for zee powa of zee cloud | Sep 10 20:44 |
| Sosumi | all co-sponsored by zee NSA and affiliates | Sep 10 20:44 |
| MinceR | :> | Sep 10 20:45 |
| MinceR | and fingerprint scanning is still security theater | Sep 10 20:45 |
| Sosumi | also kiss those fingers goodbye in case someone tries to steal your "precious" | Sep 10 20:45 |
| MinceR | especially when done by a device that is fully covered in fingerprint-collecting surfaces | Sep 10 20:46 |
| MinceR | extra fun :> | Sep 10 20:46 |
| Sosumi | new homeland security PR | Sep 10 20:46 |
| Sosumi | if you say someone with a cigar cutter, say something | Sep 10 20:46 |
| Sosumi | he may be out to steal your iphone and deprive you from your fingers | Sep 10 20:47 |
| Sosumi | :) | Sep 10 20:47 |
| MinceR | :D | Sep 10 20:47 |
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| Sosumi | but I'll be holding out for the iphone 6, which I'll come with urine/blood analizer | Sep 10 20:50 |
| Sosumi | so I can see if I've contracted cancer from Fuk-u-shima | Sep 10 20:50 |
| Sosumi | since all tepco is doing is incenerating radioactive debris | Sep 10 20:51 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 10 20:51 |
| MinceR | but will it come with a random radioactive relic from fukushima built into it? | Sep 10 20:51 |
| Sosumi | a steve jobs shapped dakimakura for zee campers | Sep 10 20:52 |
| Sosumi | made in japan ofc | Sep 10 20:52 |
| MinceR | lol | Sep 10 20:53 |
| Sosumi | not surprisingly apple stock hasn't reached 500 | Sep 10 20:55 |
| Sosumi | investors not pleased with helvetica neue and lsd colors | Sep 10 20:56 |
| MinceR | :D | Sep 10 20:56 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2996209 | Sep 10 21:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "comparing the release of classified information about government spying to the assassination of Martin Luther King" http://www.fair.org/blog/2013/08/26/jeffrey-toobin-expert-on-bizarre-analogies/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=jeffrey-toobin-expert-on-bizarre-analogies | Sep 10 21:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.fair.org | Jeffrey Toobin, Expert on Bizarre Analogies [ http://ur1.ca/fgvzd ] | Sep 10 21:09 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 10 21:09 |
| schestowitz | Didn't Toobin get known through the OJ Simpson trial? | Sep 10 21:10 |
| schestowitz | Defending the US government conduct he writes: | Sep 10 21:10 |
| schestowitz | "In this debate, Snowden himself says, those who followed the law were nothing better than Nazis: "I believe in the principle declared at Nuremberg, in 1945: 'Individuals have international duties which transcend the national obligations of obedience. Therefore individual citizens have the duty to violate domestic laws to prevent crimes against peace and humanity from occurring.'"… It is simply grotesque that Snowden compares these | Sep 10 21:10 |
| schestowitz | thousands of government workers–all doing their jobs to protect the United States–to the Nazi war criminals at Nuremberg." | Sep 10 21:10 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 10 21:10 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2998736 | Sep 10 21:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Just had another look around at #identica - Evan never sent the data he had promised (my site data), many people I followed there quit. Sad. | Sep 10 21:10 |
| schestowitz | "I was thinking about trying identica but seems like it's not a good idea... :/" | Sep 10 21:10 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2995349 | Sep 10 21:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Schools that use 'cloud' like Microsoft/Google for #email help the #nsa spy on 10 y-o who in 10 years will work or enter politics [1/2] | Sep 10 21:17 |
| schestowitz | "It's also important to teach our kids to not let themselves be bullied. The teacher had no idea and was happy that I told her. The service did not work well for most of the students and I never had to deal with it again." | Sep 10 21:17 |
| schestowitz | "Schools, as in state institutions anyway?" | Sep 10 21:17 |
| schestowitz | ""This year's teacher is using Moodle. ;-}" | Sep 10 21:21 |
| schestowitz | I am going to release some long docs I wrote about Moodle, having worked with it (daytime job) | Sep 10 21:21 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: identi.ca my detns went over to pump.io | Sep 10 21:22 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: ,but no groups now so uh | Sep 10 21:22 |
| sebsebseb | also no time line that I could just follow before for your dents etc | Sep 10 21:22 |
| sebsebseb | so uh | Sep 10 21:23 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: means I got more time for other things though :D | Sep 10 21:23 |
| sebsebseb | not followig my time line going through all 52 pages means more time for other things | Sep 10 21:23 |
| sebsebseb | not getting annoyed about Mfageia blog posts getting announced, but them not going to the group, means something less to think about ti to really | Sep 10 21:23 |
| sebsebseb | well ok apparntly there are groups, but not on the website itself | Sep 10 21:23 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: also yeah it's a bit hmm, quite a few went to like other status.net sites etc | Sep 10 21:24 |
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| schestowitz | Heh | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | My name not spelled correctly | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-journal-readers-choice-awards-2013 | Sep 10 21:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.linuxjournal.com | Linux Journal Readers' Choice Awards 2013 | Linux Journal [ http://ur1.ca/fgwnk ] | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | 63. Best Linux/OSS Advocate/Evangelist | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Jono Bacon | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Zack Brown | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Eric Christensen | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Jonathan Corbet | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Cory Doctorow | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Dodeimedo | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Freecode | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | GitHub | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Jon "Maddog" Hall | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Thomas S. Hatch | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Jupiter Broadcasting | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Don Marti | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Shawn Powers | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Roy Schestovitz | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Carla Schroder | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Doc Searls | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Sarah Sharp | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Mark Shuttleworth | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Richard Stallman | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Linus Torvalds | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | Jim Zemlin | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | " | Sep 10 21:43 |
| schestowitz | "Voted <a data-hovercard='/people/da68a1f811b0f71e' href="/u/schestowitz" class='mention hovercardable' >Dr. Roy Schestowitz (罗伊)</a> as the best FOSS advocate :) http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/linux-journal-readers-choice-awards-2013" | Sep 10 21:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.linuxjournal.com | Linux Journal Readers' Choice Awards 2013 | Linux Journal [ http://ur1.ca/fgwnk ] | Sep 10 21:43 |
| jono | schestowitz wow | Sep 10 21:46 |
| jono | I don't deserve to be on that list | Sep 10 21:47 |
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| sebsebseb | jono: yeah maybe not since you get paid to do your thing, heh heh :d | Sep 10 21:54 |
| jono | sebsebseb, most of those others are paid too :-) | Sep 10 21:55 |
| sebsebseb | jono: oh yeah I am going to California next week, can we arrange a meet? heh heh, no not really going there next week, would be interesting to meet you one day though I think :) | Sep 10 21:59 |
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| sebsebseb | hi _Goblin | Sep 10 22:02 |
| _Goblin | :) | Sep 10 22:02 |
| _Goblin | bonjour | Sep 10 22:02 |
| sebsebseb | hej | Sep 10 22:02 |
| sebsebseb | guten abend | Sep 10 22:02 |
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| _Goblin | Hows things? It's been a while. | Sep 10 22:04 |
| MinceR | hay | Sep 10 22:06 |
| _Goblin | :) | Sep 10 22:06 |
| sebsebseb | _Goblin: okish | Sep 10 22:08 |
| _Goblin | Seems the channel is pretty quiet today.... :( | Sep 10 22:08 |
| sebsebseb | you? | Sep 10 22:08 |
| _Goblin | yeah good...been very busy... | Sep 10 22:09 |
| sebsebseb | jobwise? | Sep 10 22:09 |
| _Goblin | not just my "normal" job but I'm also going through the editing phase of my book.... | Sep 10 22:09 |
| _Goblin | publisher's want 4000 more words gone | Sep 10 22:09 |
| sebsebseb | you have written a book oh? | Sep 10 22:09 |
| sebsebseb | about? | Sep 10 22:09 |
| _Goblin | yep. Had it accepted on the basis of the first three chapters. | Sep 10 22:10 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Sep 10 22:10 |
| sebsebseb | what's it about? | Sep 10 22:10 |
| _Goblin | Its a sci-fi comedy novel set 300 years in the future | Sep 10 22:10 |
| sebsebseb | naughtey _Goblin instead of doing Techbytes you been wriing a book | Sep 10 22:10 |
| sebsebseb | we'll you'll have to tell us it's name etc | Sep 10 22:10 |
| sebsebseb | so we can buy it :d | Sep 10 22:10 |
| sebsebseb | once published | Sep 10 22:10 |
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| _Goblin | In october (allegedly) the final ver gets sent.....my synopsis is on g+ | Sep 10 22:11 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Sep 10 22:11 |
| sebsebseb | ,but it won't be a Creative Commons type book I guess | Sep 10 22:11 |
| sebsebseb | so the publisher getting a big cut off any profits? | Sep 10 22:11 |
| _Goblin | I would give it a title and publisher details here, but the last thing I want is the Microsoft advocates who lurk here bombarding my publisher with filth.... | Sep 10 22:11 |
| sebsebseb | yeah fair enough | Sep 10 22:11 |
| sebsebseb | and I wasn't really expecting you to just give name here or whatever | Sep 10 22:12 |
| _Goblin | They've done it to others workplaces etc, so they can find out when its released...then they can do what they want | Sep 10 22:12 |
| _Goblin | As in big cut? | Sep 10 22:12 |
| _Goblin | hmmm | Sep 10 22:12 |
| sebsebseb | they will take lots of profit | Sep 10 22:12 |
| _Goblin | contractually I'm not allowed to say | Sep 10 22:12 |
| sebsebseb | I guess | Sep 10 22:12 |
| sebsebseb | depending on the publisher | Sep 10 22:12 |
| _Goblin | lol. | Sep 10 22:12 |
| _Goblin | to be fair, when all is considered, I have a better chance at making more with a publisher than self publishing on Amazon or anywhere else. | Sep 10 22:13 |
| _Goblin | the only thing I don't like is that I lose a little control since I'm having to cull words... | Sep 10 22:14 |
| _Goblin | if it was me, I'd have had the original 95k words.... | Sep 10 22:14 |
| _Goblin | they want around 65k so its been painful over the last few months. | Sep 10 22:14 |
| _Goblin | had it down to around 69k words...they wanted more... | Sep 10 22:14 |
| _Goblin | In other news...... | Sep 10 22:15 |
| _Goblin | I've been researching into the theories of David Icke. | Sep 10 22:15 |
| _Goblin | I'm doing a piece on his reality theories..... | Sep 10 22:15 |
| _Goblin | and no for the record I buy none of his "work" | Sep 10 22:16 |
| _Goblin | Some of it though makes hellishly good Sci-fi material though. | Sep 10 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | =oh ok | Sep 10 22:18 |
| MinceR | gn | Sep 10 22:23 |
| _Goblin | gn | Sep 10 22:27 |
| _Goblin | sorry bout that had a smoke.... | Sep 10 22:28 |
| _Goblin | oh and I've bought a chromebook..... | Sep 10 22:28 |
| _Goblin | very handy since I've been using GoogleDocs extensively. | Sep 10 22:29 |
| _Goblin | As for TechBytes I think Roy is doing a sterling job running the show...there's been many interesting episodes of late. | Sep 10 22:36 |
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