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gulag2013http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FGqRPGw7egOct 13 04:40
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schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3165187Oct 13 07:41
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Does a Chromebook replace a laptop? http://www.tgdaily.com/mobility-brief/80646-does-a-chromebook-replace-a-laptop it runs #gnu #linuxOct 13 07:41
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schestowitz_bed2"And if I can't do anything I want with MY hardware I won't buy that hardware"Oct 13 07:41
schestowitz_bed2[16:36] <_Goblin> schestowitz: HI there! Yep if youre coming to London, make sure you visit! - Oh and btw 1984 not an insightful glimse of the future, an exercise in the bloody obvious for anyone who has studied any human culture from its roots....but thats another story....Oct 13 07:42
schestowitz_bed2Cool;.maybe my wife can come alsoOct 13 07:42
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DaemonFCMinceR, Apparently it's easier to commit odometer fraud with those new digital odometers.Oct 13 08:48
DaemonFCAll you have to do is hook up a device and reset it to whatever you want it to say.Oct 13 08:49
DaemonFC:POct 13 08:49
gulag2013Any Ubuntu users in the room?Oct 13 08:50
iophkgulag2013: not a fan of Unity.  What's up?Oct 13 08:52
gulag2013I'm just trying to figure the right way to purge Cinnamon desktop, now idea how it got installedOct 13 08:53
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iophkRemove the package "cinnamon" and then autoremove any leftovers?Oct 13 08:54
gulag2013should I use synaptic?Oct 13 08:55
iophkYes that would be an easy way.Oct 13 08:55
gulag2013Great thanks, The news on both Facebook and Google, I was very close to removing my gmailOct 13 08:57
iophkSomeone posted a reply from GMX online saying they couldn't guarantee non-US servers for their services.Oct 13 08:57
DaemonFCI keep getting idiots on Craigslist say they're interested in buying my Taurus.Oct 13 08:58
DaemonFCThen they either try to get it really cheap or never show up to look at it.Oct 13 08:58
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oiaohmgulag2013: do get to know aptitude as well.    Highly useful if anything majorally screwed up with graphical due to package install stuff up.Oct 13 09:02
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gulag2013iophk, that seemed to do the trick thanks for your help, all that is left is some gnome.Oct 13 09:05
iophkLots of people have moved to XFCE instead.  Oct 13 09:06
gulag2013I'm not to sure I liked that desktop. I will have to double check the disto I thought it was in.Oct 13 09:07
iophkIt's in Xubuntu if you are into the Ubuntu family of distros.  Oct 13 09:07
iophkIt comes prepackaged on others, too.Oct 13 09:07
gulag2013It's the global menu bar I like in Ubuntu, not DashOct 13 09:08
gulag2013Dash, is sort of waste of timeOct 13 09:08
iophkWhat about Cairo-dock then?  It's an add on.Oct 13 09:08
iophkThe Dash is like a lame reimplementation of bash-completion.Oct 13 09:09
iophkI don't see it as appropriate to the GUI paradigmOct 13 09:09
gulag2013It serves me now purpose, now if it would display the last installed package that would be usefulOct 13 09:09
iophkIf I wanted to type the names of a program to run it, I can already do that, and have done it, since the 1990'sOct 13 09:09
gulag2013Exactly, there a few ones that are not obvious. example Chromium-BrowserOct 13 09:10
gulag2013Once you know them, you are goldenOct 13 09:11
iophkless /var/log/apt/history.logOct 13 09:11
iophkThen scroll down to the end.Oct 13 09:12
gulag2013I have no problem typing to launch a program, but dash stutters on my machine. Terminal is just fasterOct 13 09:12
iophkThere might be a way to get it with grep if one is clever enough.Oct 13 09:12
gulag2013I will write down that path thanksOct 13 09:12
iophkbash completion is actually quite advanced and aware of the syntax and valid options and their accepted parameters.Oct 13 09:13
gulag2013It's fantastic, I'm learning as a go. I was doing tab tab and it was just filling in the whole path. Oct 13 09:14
iophkYep, it knows when to fill in paths and when not to.Oct 13 09:14
iophkI guess the structure of the APT history file is always a 4-line record separated by an empty line.Oct 13 09:15
iophkSo this should work to find the last one:Oct 13 09:15
iophktail -n 4 /var/log/apt/history.logOct 13 09:15
gulag2013That display all the cinnamon stuff I just removedOct 13 09:17
iophkYes, I see now.  There is a slight defect in how Synaptic logs to that file.  You can't just look at "Commandline:" to see if something was added or removed.Oct 13 09:20
gulag2013The first command you gave me is long list of everything. Can I use an -l flag somewhere, it looks like shit.Oct 13 09:20
iophkThe long lines get wrapped.  So that makes it look bad.Oct 13 09:20
gulag2013Can I cat it out and have listed/Oct 13 09:21
iophkYou could pipe it through a perl script which uses Text::WrapI18N Oct 13 09:22
iophkThat would allow you to do hanging indents, which should improve readabilityOct 13 09:22
gulag2013okay, so I'm looking through this list it looks like a bunch of dependencies, I can't really spot out programs in this mess.Oct 13 09:23
iophkUnfortunately the package manager doesn't really make a distinction between applications and their dependencies.Oct 13 09:24
gulag2013Ha ha, it's all good. I know that most of my stuff is in /usr/bin right?Oct 13 09:25
oiaohmgulag2013: do get to know aptitude as well.    Highly useful if anything majorally screwed up with graphical due to package install stuff up.Oct 13 09:25
gulag2013Okay. Can you explain Aptitude for me. just what you it is, not asking for lessons?Oct 13 09:27
oiaohmgulag2013: aptitude is a text base item like synapticOct 13 09:27
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gulag2013starting to ring a bell. how do work in it?Oct 13 09:28
gulag2013I don't even know if its something I have preinstalled.Oct 13 09:29
oiaohmgulag2013: if it installed aptitude will exist as at terminal option.Oct 13 09:29
gulag2013/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00aptitude, that came up first line using locateOct 13 09:30
oiaohmaptitude installed should be in /usr/bin/aptitudeOct 13 09:32
oiaohmgulag2013: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/images/install-snapshot.png aptitude has a fairly unque look.Oct 13 09:33
gulag2013That path isn't being displayed, maybe I need to install itOct 13 09:33
gulag2013Thanks that stand out like a sore thumbOct 13 09:34
gulag2013Okay I'm installing it.Oct 13 09:35
iophkI always had trouble from / with Aptitude.  I use apt-get straight up.Oct 13 09:35
iophkinsteadOct 13 09:35
gulag2013Nice and launches "aptitude"Oct 13 09:35
oiaohmiophk: aptitude has better broken package solving than apt-getOct 13 09:36
gulag2013Well, I take oiaohm's word on at least trying to learn it. I haven't gotten around to learning how to navigate in vim eitherOct 13 09:37
oiaohmgulag2013: Hey I have only used Linux and Unix for over 20 years and I still cannot use vim todo anything.Oct 13 09:37
oiaohmgulag2013: I use nano as my text editor on the terminal.Oct 13 09:38
gulag2013Ha ha, thanks that made me feel more at ease. I appreciate your suggestions. This is the most fun I have had in long time, as far as learning an O/S goesOct 13 09:38
iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/10/13/gnulinux-is-for-everyone/Oct 13 09:38
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | GNU/Linux Is For Everyone  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/fvpki ]Oct 13 09:38
oiaohmgulag2013: I have dyslexia emacs and vim are ways for me to screw up majorally.Oct 13 09:39
oiaohmgulag2013: so I like stuff with proper displayed memus.Oct 13 09:39
oiaohmWhats a few lines of screen space compare to making errors.Oct 13 09:40
gulag2013Are they sort of black sheep. I guess I mean, I get the hang of one thing, and I guess my way around another. So are they just both non intuitive Oct 13 09:40
iophkKnowing a little vi is useful since it is on all systems by default and nano or emacs have to be installed intentionally.Oct 13 09:42
gulag2013So emac is comparable to Vim? I'm embarrassed I have to ask that. Stalman created emac, is that right?Oct 13 09:42
iophkYes RMS wrote EmacsOct 13 09:42
iophkIt's a nice IDEOct 13 09:42
oiaohmI do have a cheat sheet for vim when desperate.Oct 13 09:42
oiaohmBut other wise I don't know how to use vim.Oct 13 09:43
gulag2013I didn't know that about nano.Oct 13 09:43
iophkThe syntax highlighting and other touches are very useful.  It has many modes, depending on what kind of file you are editing.Oct 13 09:43
iophknano is niceOct 13 09:43
oiaohmemacs is huge powerful and scary enough you could be using its internal irc client.Oct 13 09:43
gulag2013I use it for text, and it save me step or two Oct 13 09:43
oiaohmor even using to to play chess.Oct 13 09:43
iophkbut you need to set nowrap in nanorc  or launch it with -w to avoid wrapping long linesOct 13 09:44
oiaohmvim and vi were both designed to be compact still with lots of functionality.Oct 13 09:44
oiaohmAlso vim and vi are designed for the nightmare terminal from hell.Oct 13 09:45
iophkover 300 baud or slower...Oct 13 09:45
oiaohmYes that being a printer.Oct 13 09:45
oiaohmYes keyboard + printer you can get by with vi or vim.Oct 13 09:45
oiaohmYes vi and vim has some very warped output options.Oct 13 09:45
gulag2013That is the long term goal. it's hard to watch my system go down, and stare at a blank cursor feeling helpless.Oct 13 09:46
oiaohmgulag2013: basically if you have a interfacw where you cannot use vi or vim you are fairly much stuffed.Oct 13 09:46
gulag2013Sounds like the thing to practice, if it's almost everythingOct 13 09:47
iophkYou only need to know a few keystrokes to get a lot of mileage out of viOct 13 09:48
oiaohmgulag2013: there is a price for supporting every interface on earth.Oct 13 09:48
oiaohmgulag2013: don't know keystrokes vi/vim are paper weight is this the price for supporting every interface.Oct 13 09:48
gulag2013What is that exactly?Oct 13 09:48
oiaohmgulag2013: so I don't like remembering keystrokes.Oct 13 09:49
oiaohmThis is why I am a nano user.Oct 13 09:49
oiaohmI used a item called pico before nano.Oct 13 09:50
gulag2013Oh,well it scares me because I wasn't gifted with the best memory. I just keep trying new commands as I go. Oct 13 09:50
oiaohmgulag2013: so you are more like me.Oct 13 09:50
iophkwith pico and nano you can rely on the menus insteadOct 13 09:50
iophkIIRC pico came with pineOct 13 09:51
oiaohmiophk: pine was my first email client.Oct 13 09:51
iophk2nd for me, but it is very goodOct 13 09:51
gulag2013How far back are we talkingOct 13 09:51
iophk93Oct 13 09:51
oiaohm95 meOct 13 09:52
iophkpine's development has been a little less certain of lateOct 13 09:52
iophkthere is alpine and re-alpineOct 13 09:52
gulag2013Ah yes, I was just buying my first modem around that timeOct 13 09:52
_Goblingulag2013, I just wonder these days why people bother with the CLI...if you have need of the flexibility of the command line fine, but many people have spent many years making desktop linux intuitive and "one click" in order to concentrate on work and less on "working things out"....Oct 13 09:52
oiaohmBefore that I only had access to bbs before that.Oct 13 09:52
iophkbut none quite work with Google's IMAPSOct 13 09:52
oiaohmiophk: I was using Unix's 1991Oct 13 09:52
oiaohmiophk: without internet connection.Oct 13 09:52
iophkso no 'mail' program?Oct 13 09:53
_Goblinoiaohm, Dawn RaId BbS - The greatest scene BBS in the UKOct 13 09:53
_Goblinand that was 1989 for me.Oct 13 09:53
oiaohmiophk: cat mboxfile |lessOct 13 09:53
iophkewOct 13 09:53
oiaohmiophk: I don't call that my first email client.Oct 13 09:53
oiaohmiophk: but it worked for what was needed.Oct 13 09:54
gulag2013Goblin, I have spent me whole life using a Gui, feeling like things were being hidden from me. I'm interested in know how my system works more than beforeOct 13 09:54
oiaohmiophk: only thing being emailed on those systems was errors.Oct 13 09:54
oiaohmiophk: read email delete mailbox have it create new again.Oct 13 09:54
oiaohmNever ending cycle of ew until I found a email client.Oct 13 09:54
_Goblingulag2013, unless you have some very special requirements it all seems like creating work for yourself....although if its a hobby and you enjoy it, more power to you.Oct 13 09:54
_Goblinthe cat example I gave yesterday is a good one since in Avidemux you can use the append feature which is arguably quicker than a "CAT" command in the CLIOct 13 09:55
gulag2013It all depends on the task , I really could care less about learning every command to set up a firewall in a terminal, but know how and where I can fix things is niceOct 13 09:56
_GoblinI think the most important thing (for me anyway) was when I first came to Linux from a Windows background, knowing where the system put everything and then permissions, now the CLI is largely unused and if I have an issue a quick google usually gives me a cut and paste solution.Oct 13 09:57
gulag2013I guess that is what is holding linux back on the desktop. I freaked out the first couple crashes I had using linuxOct 13 09:57
iophkThe only thing holding Linux back on the desktop is the control of the OEMs.  People will use what is preinstalled.Oct 13 09:57
iophkNowadays few even change the default settings.Oct 13 09:58
_GoblinI think the thing that can hold Linux back is the idea some people promote that you need to use the CLI at all....Most of the linux installs I've done for people have never used the CLI since they started with LinuxOct 13 09:58
gulag2013Those are good points, yet Windows can be a little whacky where they hide tools alsoOct 13 09:58
oiaohm_Goblin: and iophk both kinda wrong.Oct 13 09:58
iophkThe shell is too easy to work with.Oct 13 09:58
oiaohm_Goblin: X11 being highly inscure forced command line to remain in high secure usage.Oct 13 09:58
_Goblintell that to someone who uses a PC as a tool, not as a hobby or has an interest in it.Oct 13 09:59
iophkTo walk someone through a GUI solution needs feeding a series of edited screen shots.Oct 13 09:59
iophkThat's slow and a lot of work.Oct 13 09:59
oiaohmiophk: OEM how can they ship with up stream hardware vendors rejecting Linux.Oct 13 09:59
iophkThe same solution can be done faster with a line or two.Oct 13 09:59
_Goblinyep but its more intiutive to someone with no interest in computing (other than as a tool)Oct 13 09:59
iophkoiaohm: M$ still has the control to lean on OEMs, though the grip is weakeningOct 13 09:59
oiaohmiophk and _Goblin we have had the problem 2 major road blocks.Oct 13 10:00
gulag2013I would say to that person to get a mac and a service plan. Oct 13 10:00
_Goblinyou really think a mainstream user the masses would favour text over a flashy GUI? even if it is slower.Oct 13 10:00
iophktoo bad they got restricted boot pushed throughOct 13 10:00
iophkthat basically prevents any casual experimentation or anything else by novicesOct 13 10:00
_Goblinit is all about OEM.....but those that venture away are also put off from the CLI fudOct 13 10:00
_Goblinabout linuxOct 13 10:00
oiaohm_Goblin: the CLI is not fud.Oct 13 10:00
_Goblinno....Oct 13 10:00
_Goblinbadly typed.Oct 13 10:00
iophkM$ makes it into FUDOct 13 10:01
oiaohm_Goblin: without fixing X11 the CLI was forced to remain.Oct 13 10:01
_GoblinI mean the FUD thats promoted about Linux = CLIOct 13 10:01
iophkbecause Windows lacks the capability they make fun of itOct 13 10:01
iophkand criticize it.Oct 13 10:01
_Goblinbut you think the mainstream are interested?Oct 13 10:01
_Goblinthey just want to use a computerOct 13 10:01
oiaohm_Goblin: X11 stuff ups made the requirement to use CLI so critical.Oct 13 10:01
_Goblinthey see a command line, they are not interested.Oct 13 10:01
iophkon the GUI side, Linux has been easier than Windows for over a decade.Oct 13 10:01
_GoblinagreedOct 13 10:01
iophkThat's when the KDE 3.x usability study came outOct 13 10:01
oiaohmI would say in some areas Linux is ahead in usablity.Oct 13 10:02
oiaohmX11 has been ruining all the great useablity work.Oct 13 10:02
gulag2013You can use the some of the same commands in Powershell I believe, so you have three things you can novice in. OSX, Linux, and even a WindowsOct 13 10:02
iophkoiaohm: agreed and it has been ahead for a whileOct 13 10:02
_GoblinIve had newbies on many DE's....all of which met with ease of use by the beginnerOct 13 10:02
oiaohmgulag2013: we have a better novice shell Oct 13 10:02
iophkUnity would be more tolerable if there were a graphical way of exploring which apps are installedOct 13 10:03
_GoblinUnity is the white elephant.Oct 13 10:03
gulag2013Is that right?Oct 13 10:03
iophkthat and it needs to be able to move the dock off the left side to where ever the user needs itOct 13 10:03
oiaohmgulag2013: http://fishshell.com/  this is a shell designed for novices.Oct 13 10:03
TechrightsBot-trfishshell.com | fish shellOct 13 10:03
gulag2013What makes it better? I mean that out of pure interstOct 13 10:03
_Goblinthat dock gets to be an issue when you have a google web app also with a vertical popout dock.Oct 13 10:03
oiaohmgulag2013: its automatically designed to bring up help data.Oct 13 10:03
oiaohmgulag2013: so you know what in heck you are asking the system todo.Oct 13 10:04
gulag2013Get out of town, really?Oct 13 10:04
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gulag2013Thank you so much for sharing that. Oct 13 10:05
oiaohmgulag2013: http://fishshell.com/assets/img/screenshots/man_completions.pngOct 13 10:05
gulag2013That's cool, I will be playing with that later in the day. Oct 13 10:06
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gulag2013I had no love for learning the command prompt in windows, but now if I use windows 7. I'm hunting for it and yelling that I'm forget to right click adminOct 13 10:08
iophkWindows is all-around useless and illogical, both the GUI and the text UI.Oct 13 10:13
iophk_Goblin: some functionality is not there in the GUI.  In Synaptic, how do you see the last app or two that was installed?  Oct 13 10:15
gulag2013I got used to where things were, until you can guess?Oct 13 10:15
iophkIt shows all of them but  not the latest ones to be addedOct 13 10:15
iophkgulag2013: yeah they changed the GUI so that people have to spend their time fussing with the GUI instead of leaving them free to do their work or worse test LinuxOct 13 10:15
gulag2013My mindset was where Goblin's was a two years ago, but now i like it. Somethings are faster, others aren't Oct 13 10:17
iophk_Goblin: found the history setting, but it is only for work done through Synaptic, not the overall historyOct 13 10:17
gulag2013If that suits him, I'm always willing to be taught a better way. Oct 13 10:19
Sosumihttp://macdailynews.com/2013/09/10/new-in-os-x-mavericks-opengl-4-1-brings-increased-performance-more-features/Oct 13 10:20
TechrightsBot-trmacdailynews.com | New in OS X Mavericks: OpenGL 4.1 brings increased performance, more features – MacDailyNews - Welcome Home  [ http://ur1.ca/fvpwe ]Oct 13 10:20
Sosumiand we're still in 2010, right?Oct 13 10:21
gulag2013Sosumi,  Whats that?Oct 13 10:21
Sosumijust a joke news about apple being in the past with their opengl specOct 13 10:22
Sosumi3 years or so behind and being outperformed by mesaOct 13 10:23
gulag2013I see, I don't know enough about opengl, I do know that Apple takes forever to get hardware up to date. Oct 13 10:23
gulag2013They keep repackaging the same products with some minor changes. Look what they did to the Mac Pro, what is that?Oct 13 10:24
Sosumithe mac pro was OK, they didn't need to change it an oversized dildoOct 13 10:25
Sosumi*intoOct 13 10:25
gulag2013That is what I meant, not specs wise. I guess they don't want you fixing it.Oct 13 10:26
oiaohmThe more deperate MS gets attempting to hold onto market share the more insane there interface will get.Oct 13 10:26
Sosuminor upgrading itOct 13 10:26
oiaohmWindows 8 was about MS losing control.Oct 13 10:26
gulag2013Microsoft just resorts to smear campaigns, bribes and corrupting the education systemOct 13 10:27
oiaohmRemember MS makes more income from android patent licenses than from Windows Phone sales.Oct 13 10:27
SosumiyeahOct 13 10:27
gulag2013I did hear thatOct 13 10:27
oiaohmgulag2013: bribes and corruption is how MS got into place.Oct 13 10:27
oiaohmgulag2013: and illegal dealing.Oct 13 10:27
oiaohmgulag2013: IBM invented FUDOct 13 10:28
gulag2013Take Goblin for example. I'm not meaning to use him for this example. I'm a victim also. If I had to learn Linux in elementary school, I would have a skill. Oct 13 10:28
oiaohmgulag2013: so why did I develop the skill.Oct 13 10:29
oiaohmgulag2013: It was not because my high school supported it.Oct 13 10:29
oiaohmgulag2013: mine was seeing my schools computer labs shut down due to software piracy.Oct 13 10:30
gulag2013This is true, you had a passion for it much early I suppose. I wanted nothing to do with, Windows 8 changed that. Oct 13 10:30
oiaohmgulag2013: No not exactly passion.Oct 13 10:30
oiaohmI required working computers.Oct 13 10:31
gulag2013Then you had a reason, and you are much better off now because of it. Oct 13 10:31
oiaohmgulag2013: my rating of dyslexia was at the level of non functional with out aids.Oct 13 10:32
iophkyou were lucky if that pushed you to F/OSS.  Usually M$ via the BSA is able to force new M$ contractsOct 13 10:33
iophkthey used the "piracy" excuse to purge Netware from the server rooms and replace it with non-functional M$ shitOct 13 10:33
gulag2013I did horrible in school. The way the force you to learn stuff that doesn't help you . Personal relationships skills, nope. Financial literacy, nopeOct 13 10:33
oiaohmiophk: think about it my dyslexia require spell checkers and other things.Oct 13 10:34
oiaohmiophk: having computer rooms shut down when needing to submit papers was a major problem.Oct 13 10:34
iophkYeah you got burned pretty bad.Oct 13 10:35
iophkTiming is a lotOct 13 10:35
gulag2013I took my Comptia A+ All Microsoft. Tell me that wasn't on purpose. Oct 13 10:35
gulag2013No Apple skills, nothing on Linux at allOct 13 10:35
iophkKind of confirms that Comptia is a total waste.Oct 13 10:36
gulag2013it truly is now. Oct 13 10:36
gulag2013PC repair, it's a good laughOct 13 10:36
oiaohmOld A+ exam stuff was good.Oct 13 10:37
oiaohmThe new stuff is horibleOct 13 10:37
gulag2013Why on earth would someone pay me $100 to fix a $300 dollar emachineOct 13 10:37
iophkthat's if it is even repairable.Oct 13 10:37
oiaohmgulag2013: data recoverable.Oct 13 10:37
oiaohmgulag2013: oppsOct 13 10:37
iophkMost things are single-board these days.Oct 13 10:37
oiaohmdata recovery.Oct 13 10:37
oiaohmYes I hate word swap I suffer from from time to time.Oct 13 10:37
iophkAbout the only thing removable is the SSD or HD and optical drive, if there is still one.Oct 13 10:38
oiaohmgulag2013: its not the price of the machine its the price of the data it contains these days.Oct 13 10:38
gulag2013Data recovery, maybe some forgotten password, but if the Motherboard goes, just go to Walmart and get a new oneOct 13 10:38
gulag2013What is that called "Planned Obsolescence"Oct 13 10:39
oiaohmReplacing a motherboard can be required as part of datarecovery.Oct 13 10:39
oiaohmie people using insane encryptioned with data stored in the board.Oct 13 10:40
gulag2013Valid pointOct 13 10:40
oiaohmNote you are not talking about a 100 dollar fix you are talking about a 1000 dollar fixOct 13 10:40
oiaohmSo the data better be worth something.Oct 13 10:40
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gulag2013I didn't get that kind of education either, that is way I'm unpleased with the Comptia peopleOct 13 10:41
gulag2013I got Printer questions, and how to be nice to people scenarios Oct 13 10:42
oiaohmgulag2013: you know something is wrong when do the exam have noted down 5 questiosn because they were sus.Oct 13 10:43
oiaohmgulag2013: then prove Comptia had them wrong.Oct 13 10:43
oiaohmgulag2013: like the year Windows NT was released.Oct 13 10:44
gulag2013Yes, I honestly brought one question up. The lady working told me to write to ComptiaOct 13 10:44
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gulag2013Don't get me wrong I passed with no worries, but the majority of the questions were on hardware so old, that you have a better chance of getting hit by a bus, than have your boss fire you over not know the amount of pins in scsi cableOct 13 10:46
oiaohmgulag2013: what age hardware do you have to perform data recovery on.Oct 13 10:47
oiaohmgulag2013: on adverage.Oct 13 10:47
oiaohmgulag2013: ?Oct 13 10:48
oiaohmYes I do ask some hard question.Oct 13 10:48
oiaohmThe answer is sub 1 year old and + 5 year old.Oct 13 10:48
oiaohmgulag2013: worst I have had todo data recovery was 3 years ago on a server build in the 1980sOct 13 10:49
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gulag2013I have been very lucky, it has never been that serious. I do have  a few discs in my tool bag. Oct 13 10:49
gulag2013The stuff, I have had it was easy enough to just get the data off, and replace the hdOct 13 10:50
oiaohmgulag2013: basically that old crap in the A+ exam make sense when you come accross somewhere that has done something stupid like put a server in a wall and forget about it.Oct 13 10:52
gulag2013Yet, I'm not working in the industry. This is mostly friends and family and i have built a level of trust. I"m not going to charge an arm and a leg for something simpleOct 13 10:52
oiaohmgulag2013: yes embed item in wall I have seen 8 times.Oct 13 10:52
oiaohmwhere is the scanner where is keyboard..... Where is computer....  Yes every time something different.Oct 13 10:53
gulag2013You are right, but bus typology really?Oct 13 10:53
oiaohmrenoviations and computer hardware can get bad.Oct 13 10:53
oiaohmgulag2013: lot of those bus typology of networks you use with fiber optic.Oct 13 10:54
oiaohmYes there is still ring typology in fiber optic.Oct 13 10:54
gulag2013ha ha, that is rough ride. I bet you are wondering, they had to know I was here to work right?Oct 13 10:54
gulag2013That is fiber, but memorizing what a bnc connector is, sort of sillyOct 13 10:56
oiaohmgulag2013: I still have 1 place still with some sections of bnc 10 mbs networking.Oct 13 10:56
oiaohmThe items on it don't need speed.Oct 13 10:56
gulag2013Oh my god. I stand corrected yet again. Oct 13 10:57
gulag2013They still use hubs to?Oct 13 10:57
oiaohmbnc ringOct 13 10:57
oiaohmNo hubsOct 13 10:57
oiaohmWhat is hubs.Oct 13 10:58
gulag2013it was before switchesOct 13 10:58
oiaohmPlease note bnc ring is highly evil.Oct 13 10:58
oiaohmThe distance of cable of the ring has to be longer than the max transimmsion distance.Oct 13 10:58
oiaohmOr horible things happen.Oct 13 10:59
gulag2013Why?Oct 13 10:59
gulag2013What is the distance in meters max?Oct 13 10:59
oiaohmThink for one min signal leaves from one point on a ring what happens at the crossing point on the other side.Oct 13 10:59
oiaohmThis is non terminated BNC 10 mbs networking.Oct 13 11:00
oiaohmAprox 150 meters gulag2013Oct 13 11:00
gulag2013Oh, darn those diagrams were supposed to be for illustration. IOct 13 11:00
oiaohmgulag2013: the ring lenth is 450 metres.Oct 13 11:01
oiaohmWith the one I am dealing with.Oct 13 11:01
oiaohmgulag2013: basically the fun job is replace it.Oct 13 11:02
gulag2013I only have a tiny grasp on Networking. Which reminds me I should be thinking about that Exam, but it's useless unless i can get some hands on experienceOct 13 11:02
oiaohmOnly posible replacement will be fiber something.Oct 13 11:02
oiaohmgulag2013: location 24/7 saw mill.Oct 13 11:03
oiaohmgulag2013: would you want to recable that place.Oct 13 11:03
gulag2013No thank youOct 13 11:03
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oiaohmgulag2013: seams to be the universal answer.Oct 13 11:03
gulag2013Oh goodness, do they even cover the nodes?Oct 13 11:03
oiaohmgulag2013: nothing in there can have vents.Oct 13 11:04
oiaohmOther than printers that do from time to time catch fire.Oct 13 11:04
oiaohmYes printer on fire is no joke in that place.Oct 13 11:04
gulag2013rofl fire seriouslyOct 13 11:04
oiaohmgulag2013: fine powered saw dust.Oct 13 11:04
oiaohmMeets hot printer equals big problems.Oct 13 11:05
oiaohmOk printer on fire is in fact a good outcome.Oct 13 11:05
oiaohmPrinter exploded is a bad outcome.Oct 13 11:05
oiaohmBoth do happen.Oct 13 11:05
gulag2013They should do that aquarium setup for there pc's in thereOct 13 11:05
oiaohmYes blast cage is around printers.Oct 13 11:05
oiaohmYes turn off printer open door get printed object close door.Oct 13 11:06
oiaohmTurn back on printer.Oct 13 11:06
oiaohmgulag2013: no you use vent less pcs in there.Oct 13 11:06
oiaohmgulag2013: look up fitpc some time.Oct 13 11:07
gulag2013i think i have seen thosesOct 13 11:07
gulag2013Sounds like you are underpaidOct 13 11:08
gulag2013So do you do all the admin stuff, plus cable management, etc..Oct 13 11:09
gulag2013Just you?Oct 13 11:09
oiaohmgulag2013: contract on call.Oct 13 11:10
oiaohmgulag2013: pay no one unless it breaks what totally suxs.Oct 13 11:10
gulag2013I'm sorry.Oct 13 11:12
oiaohmgulag2013: the real horible places are badly paid.Oct 13 11:14
oiaohmgulag2013: the well paying places normally have decent upgrade and replacement cycles.Oct 13 11:14
gulag2013what sucks is I was trying to move out of those environment.  I have worked in nasty warehouses my whole lifeOct 13 11:15
gulag2013Are you doing a lot of Windows 7 deployments?Oct 13 11:16
oiaohmNasty ware house can be cleaner than highrise cableing channels.Oct 13 11:16
oiaohmgulag2013: not really.Oct 13 11:16
oiaohmLot are looking at Windows MultipointOct 13 11:16
oiaohmBasically huge mother servers supporting 20 users each.Oct 13 11:17
oiaohmThen ipad and android tablets and Linux boxes on desktops.Oct 13 11:17
gulag2013Oh, okay. So do you have to break it to places, they need modern stuffOct 13 11:17
oiaohmgulag2013: windows stupid limits.Oct 13 11:18
oiaohmgulag2013: any more than 20 users on a server providing RDP things get bad with Windows.Oct 13 11:18
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oiaohmWhere if the box was linux you could support a few 100 users.Oct 13 11:18
gulag2013Wow, I didnt' know it was like that with WindowsOct 13 11:19
oiaohmThere are a lot weakness in windows.Oct 13 11:20
gulag2013Has Microsoft been raising pricesOct 13 11:20
oiaohmYes.Oct 13 11:20
oiaohmKSM in Linux kernel that does same page matching to reduce ram usage under Linux is protected by a vmware patent.   So windows does not have this feature.Oct 13 11:21
gulag2013Man,there are countries in Europe going open source, I'm not sure when it will reach the statesOct 13 11:21
oiaohmgulag2013: patents cripple Microsoft from supporting massive numbers of users.Oct 13 11:21
oiaohmOn a single machine.Oct 13 11:21
iophkI thought it was also M$ own architecture that failed in its design.Oct 13 11:22
gulag2013Oh, this is getting sticky. I had no idea it was this involved with patents Oct 13 11:22
oiaohmiophk: NT core design is solid.  What was done to it in the name of performace ruined it.Oct 13 11:22
iophkThere were other add ons that prevent the "official" security model from working IIRCOct 13 11:23
oiaohmiophk: Dave Cutler did the core design of OpenVMS and NT.  Both core designs are solid.Oct 13 11:25
oiaohmiophk: basically having a solid core design does not mean you cannot employ other idiots and ruin it.Oct 13 11:25
iophkYes, but that was in the 90's  Hasn't everything else been garbage since then? That was my impression.Oct 13 11:25
DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 13 11:26
DaemonFC4 minutes agoOct 13 11:26
DaemonFCGolden Graham treats and Diet Pepsi. Breakfast of champions. It's gonna be a good day.Oct 13 11:26
oiaohmiophk:Some things done to vista were correcting historic design faults.Oct 13 11:27
oiaohmiophk: mostly currect the modern stuff has garbage.  There have been handful of bright spark correct alteratiosn to the NT line.Oct 13 11:27
oiaohmiophk: compared to the Linux kernel that has many true bright spart correct alterations every year Windows is doing horible badly.Oct 13 11:28
DaemonFCI always wondered why old people drive their Crown Vics at 20 mph.Oct 13 11:28
DaemonFCI get it now.Oct 13 11:28
DaemonFCIt's so they can spend more time in their Crown Vics.Oct 13 11:28
DaemonFCDamned government CAFE standards killed the Vic.Oct 13 11:29
DaemonFCI don't know why Ford couldn't just put the DOHC 3.7 V6 in it.Oct 13 11:29
oiaohmDaemonFC: the other is not having the money to rebush the steering.Oct 13 11:30
DaemonFC?Oct 13 11:31
DaemonFCThe steering in this car is phenomenal!Oct 13 11:31
DaemonFCBest steering out of any car I've ever owned.Oct 13 11:31
DaemonFCRear wheel drive + power steering = best steering ever.Oct 13 11:31
MinceR122118 < oiaohm> KSM in Linux kernel that does same page matching to reduce ram usage under Linux is protected by a vmware patent.   So windows does not have this feature.Oct 13 11:32
DaemonFCI went to Walmart earlier to get some for sale signs for the Taurus and some odds and ends.Oct 13 11:32
MinceRthen they could support more users, they just needed more RAM, could they not?Oct 13 11:32
DaemonFCI was cruising through the parking lot steering with one finger.Oct 13 11:32
oiaohmDaemonFC: the steering is phenomenal until th car has bad muches.Oct 13 11:32
MinceRDaemonFC: how widespread is odometer fraud in the usa?Oct 13 11:32
oiaohmDaemonFC: muches/bushes on the control roods.Oct 13 11:32
DaemonFCMinceR, It's common enough that it's still a major problem.Oct 13 11:33
oiaohmMinceR: MS does not have the feature at all.   Result is massively more ram consumion per users.Oct 13 11:33
oiaohmMinceR: I am not talking a small difference.Oct 13 11:33
DaemonFCThe mechanical odometers were designed to break apart if people tried to roll them back with a drill/driver or something.Oct 13 11:33
MinceRDaemonFC: they say you can't sell a car in hungary without it so there's no point in looking at the odometerOct 13 11:33
MinceRoiaohm: icOct 13 11:33
oiaohmMinceR: Like you can fit over 100 users on Linux in 16 G of ram.Oct 13 11:33
DaemonFCThe only way to cheat those in late model cars is to disconnect them, which loses the speedometer too.Oct 13 11:33
DaemonFCSo most people don't do it.Oct 13 11:33
oiaohmMinceR: and most of the time not be using swap.Oct 13 11:33
DaemonFCThe digital ones can be faked in about five minutes by reprogramming the computer.Oct 13 11:34
DaemonFC:POct 13 11:34
MinceRDaemonFC: i thought they just rolled them forward until they overflowed to 0 and then someOct 13 11:34
oiaohmMinceR: windows you would be luckly with Window 7/8 to get 16 users in 16G of ram.Oct 13 11:34
DaemonFCMinceR, If you roll them forward and they pass 999999, they break apart.Oct 13 11:34
DaemonFCThen you have to get a title that says EXCEEDS MECHANICAL LIMITS.Oct 13 11:34
DaemonFC:)Oct 13 11:34
MinceRicOct 13 11:34
DaemonFCMinceR, It's so uncommon for a person to drive a vehicle past 999999 that it's not a major problem.Oct 13 11:35
DaemonFC:)Oct 13 11:35
MinceR:)Oct 13 11:35
oiaohmNot all odometers break when you cross the max.Oct 13 11:36
DaemonFCMy Crown Vic has 94,800 on it right now.Oct 13 11:36
oiaohmMost do.Oct 13 11:36
DaemonFCMy Precious!Oct 13 11:36
DaemonFCB-)Oct 13 11:36
DaemonFCMinceR, I'm not afraid of driving an older car as long as they've kept the maintenance logs and had it garaged.Oct 13 11:37
DaemonFCAs long as it's low miles for the year.Oct 13 11:37
DaemonFCThis is actually the lowest mileage of any vehicle I've ever bought.Oct 13 11:37
DaemonFCThe Taurus has 113,500 on it when I bought it in 2005.Oct 13 11:38
DaemonFC*hadOct 13 11:38
DaemonFCIt has 143,433 on it right now.Oct 13 11:38
DaemonFCI've only driven it about 30,000 miles in 8 years.Oct 13 11:38
DaemonFCbut those were some hard milesOct 13 11:38
DaemonFCI have kind of a lead foot.Oct 13 11:39
oiaohmDaemonFC: I had 1 truck that did end up wrong did not dispaly EXCEEDS MECHANICAL LIMITS jamed at 00000001Oct 13 11:39
DaemonFCand I've gone off the road onceOct 13 11:40
DaemonFCat like 70 mphOct 13 11:40
DaemonFCinto a fieldOct 13 11:40
DaemonFCand I've gone into the air a few times and landedOct 13 11:40
DaemonFCand driven into a buildingOct 13 11:40
DaemonFCand some....err....other stuffOct 13 11:40
oiaohmDaemonFC:  so you would be good fun to put in a bush basher.Oct 13 11:41
DaemonFCThe Taurus has held up quite well considering what I've done to it.Oct 13 11:41
DaemonFCIf I can find someone to buy it that has no idea how I drive, that would be great.Oct 13 11:41
DaemonFC:)Oct 13 11:41
oiaohmDaemonFC: http://www.rollaclub.com/board/uploads/1220080609/med_gallery_958_72_294332.jpg  << I guess it does not look like this yet.Oct 13 11:43
DaemonFCThere's no reason why we need to keep running vehicles on gasoline or move to crappy 4 cylinder engines.Oct 13 11:43
oiaohmDaemonFC: Australian bush bashers end of life for highly abused cars.Oct 13 11:43
DaemonFCThey made a natural gas version of the Crown Vic.Oct 13 11:43
DaemonFCWhy can't they just switch cars over to natural gas and keep making real cars?Oct 13 11:43
oiaohmDaemonFC: your driving would not worry them.Oct 13 11:43
oiaohmDaemonFC: how do most Australian bush bashers end life wrapped around tree.Oct 13 11:44
DaemonFCSome guy sent me an email from Craiglist about the Taurus.Oct 13 11:45
DaemonFC"trade you a mini van for it"Oct 13 11:45
DaemonFCuhhhm, noOct 13 11:45
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DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 13 12:00
DaemonFC2 seconds agoOct 13 12:00
DaemonFCTime to swap out your kittens for a big block Jabba Cat.Oct 13 12:00
DaemonFCWhat does the Jabba Cat eat? Anything it wants. He's the great white shark that never had to evolve.Oct 13 12:00
DaemonFCHe might look like a sweet kitten, but he will hunt your foot the second he thinks your not looking.Oct 13 12:00
DaemonFCBRRROWWW! Oct 13 12:00
DaemonFChttps://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1385043_154174731459233_1328209091_n.jpgOct 13 12:00
DaemonFChttps://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/s720x720/1394128_154173751459331_1205473283_n.jpgOct 13 12:00
DaemonFChttps://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/s720x720/1381915_154173901459316_2094136046_n.jpgOct 13 12:01
DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 13 12:10
DaemonFC2 seconds agoOct 13 12:10
DaemonFCSo I got a bunch of texts from a guy on Craigslist that says he wanted to come by yesterday morning to look at the Taurus. So I clean it really good, and he never shows.Oct 13 12:10
DaemonFCThen I got a email from a guy that wanted to trade me for a minivan that's had the crap beaten out of it.Oct 13 12:10
DaemonFCThen I get a bunch of emails from another guy on Craigslist that basically wants me to give him the car.Oct 13 12:10
DaemonFCFrom: Andrew Hamilton:Oct 13 12:11
DaemonFCTo: MeOct 13 12:11
DaemonFCSubject: 1995 Ford TaurusOct 13 12:11
DaemonFCWhat's the lowest you would go?Oct 13 12:11
DaemonFChttp://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4122237737.htmlOct 13 12:11
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | 1995 Ford Taurus GL with 143,433 miles  [ http://ur1.ca/fvqq4 ]Oct 13 12:11
DaemonFCSent from my iPadOct 13 12:11
DaemonFCFrom: MeOct 13 12:11
DaemonFCTo: Andrew HamiltonOct 13 12:11
DaemonFCMake me an offer.Oct 13 12:11
DaemonFCFrom: Andrew HamiltonOct 13 12:11
DaemonFCTo: MeOct 13 12:11
DaemonFC600Oct 13 12:11
DaemonFCSent from my iPhoneOct 13 12:11
DaemonFCFrom: MeOct 13 12:11
DaemonFCTo: Andrew HamiltonOct 13 12:11
DaemonFCSo you have an iPhone and an iPad, and you want my car for $600? Way to go dude. Next time, go with Android and you'll have enough money for more than a bicycle. Enjoy walking.Oct 13 12:11
DaemonFC------Oct 13 12:11
DaemonFC"The only thing worse than Apple is people who like their products."Oct 13 12:11
DaemonFCI have three cars right now, which is one more than I really want.Oct 13 12:11
DaemonFCI'm allowed two parking spots, so the crappiest vehicle I have is up for sale from in front of my mom's house.Oct 13 12:11
DaemonFCI'd like to get enough out of the Taurus GL to do a tune up on the Crown Vic and some minor repairs.Oct 13 12:12
DaemonFC(nothing major, just some odds and ends I noticed before I bought it)Oct 13 12:12
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DaemonFChttps://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/p480x480/165927_287699608039891_1675664425_n.jpgOct 13 12:42
DaemonFCewwwOct 13 12:42
DaemonFClolOct 13 12:42
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DaemonFCFirst Ford cancels all vehicles with a V8 and then they let Microsoft into the car.Oct 13 13:42
DaemonFC#whyidrivea1996Oct 13 13:42
DaemonFChttp://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/16200000/demotivational-random-16267135-1044-835.jpgOct 13 13:44
DaemonFChttps://lh3.ggpht.com/-WD__CWVkxTY/TadVoe3gkpI/AAAAAAAAA1Y/CqqYs_ERaRs/s400/demotivational+poster+Fat+Emo.jpgOct 13 13:45
DaemonFChttp://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/0905/travel-australia-australia-demotivational-poster-1242352192.jpgOct 13 13:49
DaemonFChttp://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/087/7/2/Dead_Pakistani_Demotivational_by_Joza1994.jpgOct 13 13:59
iophkMore smears : http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/10/13/0237210/could-snowden-have-been-stopped-in-2009Oct 13 14:01
TechrightsBot-tryro.slashdot.org | Could Snowden Have Been Stopped In 2009? - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/fvrfi ]Oct 13 14:02
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/doj-if-we-can-track-one-american-we-can-track-all-americans/Oct 13 14:09
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | DoJ: If we can track one American, we can track all Americans | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fvrhg ]Oct 13 14:09
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iophkMeego gets a mention, but otherwise a bit of revisionism going on, trying to shift blame off M$ ElopOct 13 15:33
iophkhttp://www.osnews.com/story/27370/This_is_how_a_Finnish_journalist_tried_to_save_NokiaOct 13 15:33
TechrightsBot-trwww.osnews.com | This is how a Finnish journalist tried to save Nokia  [ http://ur1.ca/fvrx8 ]Oct 13 15:33
Sosumiarrh Snowden, if only he had revealed something that wasn't already knownOct 13 15:40
Sosumiwell at least he gave the specific names of the programs/units, but mehOct 13 15:41
iophkSpecifics were valuable as was official confirmation.Oct 13 15:43
Sosumibut unfortunately it didn't change muchOct 13 15:46
Sosumiwell, anythingOct 13 15:46
Sosumippl are still trowing their private lifes on the snoopnetworksOct 13 15:46
Sosumiand using "zee" cloud services instead of being resposible for their dataOct 13 15:47
Sosumiand since we're nearing november...Oct 13 15:49
SosumiI wander how many'll buy the new M$ snoopboxOct 13 15:49
iophkFew.  The last batch went off to the recycling centers for reclamation.Oct 13 15:50
Sosumiwith it's always listening snoopcamera that can also be used to get info on many users are present in the room or measure reactions when playing games, detect heartbeat, etc, etcOct 13 15:51
Sosumi:)Oct 13 15:51
Sosumiat least $ony as much as I dislike them, didn't go that routeOct 13 15:52
iophkNo but their behavior hasn't been good.Oct 13 15:52
iophkThey went out of their way to reneg on the "other OS" capabilityOct 13 15:53
iophkSome people did actually buy PS3's because of that option.Oct 13 15:53
SosumiTOUCHÉOct 13 15:53
SosumiI actually wanted to build a small ps3 clusterOct 13 15:53
Sosumiback then, glad I didn't pull the triggerOct 13 15:53
iophkYes then there were institutional buyers that were building cellclustersOct 13 15:53
SosumiyepOct 13 15:54
Sosumithere are videos on MIT opencourseware showing thatOct 13 15:54
iophkAll kinds of computationally intensive research was starting to happen on PS3 clustrers.Oct 13 15:54
iophkThere were even some medical and physics breakthroughs.Oct 13 15:54
Sosumibut $sony decided to kill the functionality, very dumb, not to mention the other issuesOct 13 15:56
Sosumisending credit card and login credentials as plain testOct 13 15:56
iophkProbably had some from M$ on the inside to help push that decisinoOct 13 15:56
iophkYellow Dog seems to have been replaced by Fixstars, but the new site is corporate market babble http://www.fixstars.com/en/Oct 13 15:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.fixstars.com | Fixstars - A leading multi-core software development companyOct 13 15:58
SosumiI think it was mostly because ppl had found a way to get access to the gpu and the platform keys dealOct 13 15:59
Sosumiwell fixstars has always been behind yellowdogOct 13 16:02
Sosumieven before cell and the ps3Oct 13 16:02
Sosumiit's a power pc distro based on rhelOct 13 16:02
iophkhttps://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/discriminatory-procurement-specifications-widespreadOct 13 16:14
TechrightsBot-trjoinup.ec.europa.eu | 'Discriminatory procurement specifications widespread' | Joinup  [ http://ur1.ca/fvs5q ]Oct 13 16:14
Sosumithe Union of European Socialist States is in cahoots with big business anywaysOct 13 16:18
iophkThey've been doing illegal tenders for as long as they've been buying computers, maybe longerOct 13 16:18
Sosumiand that also aplies to regional governments thx to M$ bribes and what notsOct 13 16:20
iophkfrom top to bottom according to reports over the yearsOct 13 16:20
iophknothing has improved yetOct 13 16:20
Sosumilike the magalhães program here in portugalOct 13 16:20
Sosumiintel classmate + winblows+officeOct 13 16:20
Sosumiwith the taxpayer footing the billOct 13 16:21
iophkThe Australian government has been paying people to use WindowsOct 13 16:22
iophkhttp://www.lifehacker.com.au/2012/07/doing-tax-on-your-mac-you-could-claim-windows-as-a-deduction/Oct 13 16:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.lifehacker.com.au | Doing Tax On Your Mac? You Could Claim Windows As A Deduction | Lifehacker Australia  [ http://ur1.ca/fvs6o ]Oct 13 16:22
Sosumiall also thx to revolving door between private and public sector between the then minister mario lino and JP Sá CoutoOct 13 16:22
Sosumitechrights has articles about thatOct 13 16:22
Sosumihttp://techrights.org/2010/03/18/magalhaes-microsoft-corruption/Oct 13 16:24
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Magalhães + Microsoft = Corruption | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fvs6u ]Oct 13 16:24
Sosumialso as a note, magalhães may have provided dual boot, but no unit that I saw came with Caixa Mágica distroOct 13 16:24
Sosumihttp://techrights.org/2009/07/01/inci-procurement-microsoft/Oct 13 16:25
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Government of Portugal Ignores Procurement Rules and Gives Taxpayers’ Money to Microsoft | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fvs7b ]Oct 13 16:25
Sosumiyay, my money at workOct 13 16:25
Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-13/guest-post-they%E2%80%99re-coming-your-savingsOct 13 17:41
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | Guest Post: They’re Coming For Your Savings | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/fvsmv ]Oct 13 17:41
Sosumiin a perfect world, they are coming for your debtOct 13 17:42
Sosumidebt reset, yeppiii, not, lolOct 13 17:42
Sosumialthough I don't own anything to anyoneOct 13 17:43
Sosumibut that seems to be one of the ways to balance the systemOct 13 17:43
Sosumihave the big boys take a haircutOct 13 17:43
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DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 13 18:15
DaemonFC2 seconds agoOct 13 18:15
DaemonFCMicrosoft is getting rid of Ballmer and possibly Gates. Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. #usegnulinuxOct 13 18:15
DaemonFCGood time for another ode to the odious proprietary malware company.Oct 13 18:15
DaemonFCI've got an idea for the next BSOD.Oct 13 18:15
DaemonFC"Your computer has experienced a problem and needs to restart. Please wait a moment while we upload more of your files to the NSA. Thank you."Oct 13 18:15
DaemonFCI guess that's how they got a free pass from the DoJ to run their "illegal operation" that should have been "shut down".Oct 13 18:15
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Sosumi:)Oct 13 18:33
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MinceRhttp://www.devttys0.com/2013/10/reverse-engineering-a-d-link-backdoor/Oct 13 18:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.devttys0.com | Reverse Engineering a D-Link Backdoor   - /dev/ttyS0  [ http://ur1.ca/fvt2e ]Oct 13 18:54
DaemonFCRyan Farmerposted toFord Motor CompanyOct 13 19:42
DaemonFCa few seconds agoOct 13 19:42
DaemonFCDear Ford,Oct 13 19:42
DaemonFCPlease bring back the Crown Victoria and remove Microsoft from your cars.Oct 13 19:42
DaemonFCkthxbaiOct 13 19:42
MinceRthey'd also need to get rid of the idiots who thought putting m$ in a car was a good idea in the first placeOct 13 19:48
MinceRthose are not engineers.Oct 13 19:48
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Sosumijust give me a ford siera cosworthOct 13 19:49
Sosumiprobably my favourite fordOct 13 19:49
Sosumibut I didn't know ford had M$ in their cars :(Oct 13 19:50
Sosumipretty much all those integrated distraction centers in cars run gnu/linux with some car manufacturer shell on topOct 13 19:52
SosumiI think, lawlOct 13 19:52
Sosumiit'd be a mistake not toOct 13 19:52
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHQ-FB6lm68Oct 13 20:13
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | 2011 Ford Crown Victoria 0-60MPH!!! - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fvtic ]Oct 13 20:13
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtXb_tpa5tsOct 13 20:14
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | supercharged vic takeoff - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fvtii ]Oct 13 20:14
DaemonFC:)Oct 13 20:14
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzdI2vCW75oOct 13 20:15
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Decoy police car teardown and tow away...ONE guy! - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fvtin ]Oct 13 20:15
DaemonFCLOLOct 13 20:15
DaemonFChttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-occupancy_vehicle_laneOct 13 20:21
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | High-occupancy vehicle lane - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/fvtk1 ]Oct 13 20:22
DaemonFCIn January 2013, a motorist tried to claim that the Articles of Incorporation of his business — which had been placed unbuckled on the driver’s seat, constituted a person, citing the principle of corporate personhood and California's state Vehicle Code, which defines a person as “natural persons and corporations.” This argument was subsequently rejected in Traffic court, which commented thatOct 13 20:22
DaemonFC "Common sense says carrying a sheath of papers in the front seat does not relieve traffic congestion."[44]Oct 13 20:22
DaemonFCLOLOct 13 20:22
SosumilulzOct 13 20:23
MinceRlolOct 13 20:26
MinceRrepublicans do keep claiming that corporations are peopleOct 13 20:27
DaemonFCThe Crown Victoria is the Chuck Norris of cars.Oct 13 20:29
DaemonFCThey stopped improving them in 2004 because there was no way to make them better after that point.Oct 13 20:29
MinceRan overrated fundie?Oct 13 20:29
DaemonFCwell, there's the idiot and the meme.Oct 13 20:29
DaemonFCyou know?Oct 13 20:29
DaemonFC:)Oct 13 20:29
MinceRyes, there's the idiot and the meme about the idiotOct 13 20:30
DaemonFCWell, I was referring to the meme.Oct 13 20:30
DaemonFChttp://money.cnn.com/2011/09/15/autos/last_crown_victoria/index.htmOct 13 20:31
TechrightsBot-trmoney.cnn.com | Ford's last Crown Victoria rolls off the line - Sep. 15, 2011  [ http://ur1.ca/fvtle ]Oct 13 20:31
DaemonFCThen they fired everyone at the plant and told them to get their shit and go home.Oct 13 20:31
MinceRChuck Norris does not sleep. He's worrying about gay marriage. Oct 13 20:31
MinceRThere is no chin behind Chuck Norris’ beard. There is only the quivering fear of gay marriage. Oct 13 20:31
DaemonFCI don't see a reason why you discontinue something that's in demand like that.Oct 13 20:32
DaemonFCOther than the government regulations on fuel economy.Oct 13 20:32
MinceRchuck norris believes pi=3Oct 13 20:32
DaemonFCIn Indiana, Pi was 3.14 by law until someone realized that you couldn't fine or imprison a circle for refusing to turn itself into Pac Man.Oct 13 20:33
DaemonFCNot the brightest lawmakers, even by American standards.Oct 13 20:33
DaemonFCbut, they represent the public who voted them inOct 13 20:34
MinceRfundie lawmakers are never brightOct 13 20:34
MinceRif they were bright, they wouldn't be fundiesOct 13 20:34
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DaemonFChttp://www.snopes.com/autos/law/carpool.aspOct 13 21:20
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MinceRDaemonFC: https://ribanc.com/files/tumblr_mg5933T1O11rogwl3o1_1280.jpgOct 13 21:43
SosumihilariousOct 13 21:49
Sosumiwho did that deserves a medalOct 13 21:49
Sosumimust do one with balmer as the rancor monster dead under the metal doorOct 13 22:02
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Sosumior sebsebseb, riding a sandworm from Dune :POct 13 22:04
DaemonFChttp://boingboing.net/2013/10/11/vatican-spells-jesus-wrong-on.htmlOct 13 22:43
TechrightsBot-trboingboing.net | NO TITLE  [ http://ur1.ca/fvu6o ]Oct 13 22:43
DaemonFCMinceR, I just topped off the Vic.Oct 13 22:43
DaemonFCJust to see what mileage I was getting.Oct 13 22:43
DaemonFC22 mpgOct 13 22:43
DaemonFC:)Oct 13 22:43
MinceRlol @ vaticanOct 13 22:44
Sosumivalue added tax in a can?Oct 13 22:45
MinceR:)Oct 13 22:45
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3167704Oct 13 22:46
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: [![Image](https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1378466_770661752950797_683225737_n.jpg)](https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=770661752950797&set=a.715704285113211.1073741846.290897664260544&type=1&theater)<br> - <br><br>Oct 13 22:46
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MinceR:)Oct 13 22:46
MinceRDaemonFC: did you expect it to not guzzle gas? :>Oct 13 22:47
SosumimacosforgeOct 13 22:49
Sosumiit even tells you hot to stop smokingOct 13 22:49
Sosumihttp://darwinbuild.macosforge.org/trac/ticket/139Oct 13 22:49
TechrightsBot-trdarwinbuild.macosforge.org | #139 (How to quit smoking in a effective way)      – DarwinBuild  [ http://ur1.ca/fvu80 ]Oct 13 22:50
SosumifailOct 13 22:50
MinceRmaybe it's because crApple refuses warranty if you smoke near the idiot boxOct 13 22:50
Sosumimaybe :POct 13 22:50
MinceRor it's just spam :>Oct 13 22:50
Sosumibut it's nice to see some life in the wasteland called macosforgeOct 13 22:51
Sosumithat and the apparently defunct x11 portOct 13 22:53
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2963359Oct 13 22:53
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Silent Circle  is probably moving to #switzerland for #privacy http://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2013/08/09/e-mails-big-privacy-problem-qa-with-silent-circle-co-founder-phil-zimmermann/ trend: freedom fighters now escape the USOct 13 22:53
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.forbes.com | E-mail's Big Privacy Problem: Q&A With Silent Circle Co-Founder Phil Zimmermann - Forbes  [ http://ur1.ca/f3tp9 ]Oct 13 22:53
schestowitz_bed2"The Swiss will give up anything asked for if it comes to the crunch, it's the only reason they are still independent"Oct 13 22:53
Sosumimac in academia is finally dead = br00liant!Oct 13 22:54
DaemonFCRyan Farmer Without men, civilization would continue until the next oil change was needed.Oct 13 23:07
DaemonFCLike · Reply · a few seconds agoOct 13 23:07
DaemonFC<MinceR> DaemonFC: did you expect it to not guzzle gas? :>Oct 13 23:07
DaemonFCGuzzle gas? 21 mpg is awesome for mostly city driving with a 4.6 V8.Oct 13 23:08
DaemonFCIt's getting better mileage than my Taurus.Oct 13 23:08
MinceRwell yes, for a 4.6 V8Oct 13 23:08
DaemonFCMinceR, Smaller engines can actually be less efficient in some cases.Oct 13 23:08
MinceRyet apparently they aren't :>Oct 13 23:09
DaemonFCLike when you're trying to accelerate quickly and they're struggling to do it.Oct 13 23:09
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DaemonFCSold the Taurus.Oct 14 02:55
DaemonFCI have money now. Yay!Oct 14 02:55
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schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3170328Oct 14 08:28
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Size of Africa in perspective https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_50ec65581e66f2c000c2.pngOct 14 08:28
schestowitz_bed2"They could have left off Spain and France had they included Alaska."Oct 14 08:28
schestowitz_bed2But Alaska - like both Canada and Russia - is scarcely populated and barely inhabitable  half the year.Oct 14 08:29
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3165178Oct 14 08:30
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: You know the world is going in the wrong direction when 1984 is no longer fiction and people can no longer ridicule RMS without challenge.Oct 14 08:30
schestowitz_bed2"Sir... I challenge you to a duel of fisticuffs, behind the servants quarters, henceforth!"Oct 14 08:30
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MinceRr4wrOct 14 09:27
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iophkMaybe they've been hiring too many from M$Oct 14 10:43
iophkhttp://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2425512,00.aspOct 14 10:43
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iophkhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/iphone/10376845/iPhone-5s-users-report-Blue-Screen-Of-Death-crashes.htmlOct 14 10:49
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iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/fact-releases-video-of-file-sharing-site-home-visit-and-domain-grab-131014/Oct 14 10:53
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iophkThis is so much harder with T B-L on the wrong side of the fight.Oct 14 10:57
iophkhttp://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/10/tim-berners-lee-on-why-html5-needs-drm/index.htmOct 14 10:57
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iophkhttp://ia801008.us.archive.org/7/items/OhioLinuxfest2013/Oct 14 11:17
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iophkhttp://ia801008.us.archive.org/7/items/OhioLinuxfest2013/16-Ian_Santopietro-BIOS_UEFI.spxOct 14 12:03
iophkSeveral of the presentations seem to be practicing appeasement towards M$.  No one seems to learn from watching what has happened in the past to everyone else who tried that.Oct 14 12:04
MinceRhttp://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/2/6/0/209260_slide.jpgOct 14 12:04
iophkI once preached peaceful coexistence with Windows. You may laugh at my expense. I deserve it." Oct 14 12:05
iophkhttp://www.itpro.co.uk/624070/haiku-reason-to-believeOct 14 12:05
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iophkhttp://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/Oct 14 12:05
TechrightsBot-trwww.birdhouse.org | He Who Controls the Bootloader  [ http://ur1.ca/gdhk ]Oct 14 12:05
iophkThe guy from System76 should know better, especially given how little UEFI really does for actual security.Oct 14 12:06
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iophkhttp://ia801008.us.archive.org/7/items/OhioLinuxfest2013/19-Jon_maddog_Hall-GNU_Linux_Around_the_World.spxOct 14 13:06
iophkMaddog's talk is interesting but I can't help but notice that he misses RMS point on differentiating between trademark, copyright and patents.  Oct 14 13:08
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schestowitz_bed2Interewsting bio, CNET there a;sp" https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=5516664&authType=name&authToken=tCY-&trk=miniprofile-primary-view-buttonOct 14 13:43
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/hgfernan/status/389747753200254976Oct 14 14:45
TechrightsBot-tr@hgfernan: .@schestowitz The nomination of #techrights for https://t.co/WMkAutML93 is much deserved. Good luck !Oct 14 14:45
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iophkhttp://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-10/14/brazil-email-nsahttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2300375/edward-snowden-says-the-nsa-is-hurting-the-usOct 14 16:09
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iophkhttp://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-10/14/brazil-email-nsaOct 14 16:09
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iophkhttp://www.france24.com/en/20131014-radiation-experts-confirm-polonium-arafat-clothingOct 14 20:14
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MinceRhttp://op-co.de/blog/posts/android_ssl_downgrade/Oct 14 23:36
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DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 15 03:59
DaemonFCSaw the funniest thing in my life at Walmart tonight. Some guy in a NICE Ford F-350 was honking at Dave and me to get out of his way. When we got to the door, he revved up the engine, peeled out, and turned right into a parking lot post. I heard him shout "F***!".Oct 15 03:59
DaemonFCThen he backed up, and hit it again, and busted out his rear window.Oct 15 03:59
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amarsh04http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/10/a-necessary-evil-what-it-takes-for-democracy-to-survive-surveillance/Oct 15 04:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | Stallman: How Much Surveillance Can Democracy Withstand? | Wired Opinion | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fw4y7 ]Oct 15 04:58
Sosumihum? democracy?Oct 15 05:28
Sosumidemocracy is despostism, the majority vs the minorityOct 15 05:30
Sosuminothing beats the good old republicOct 15 05:30
DaemonFCThat guy that wrecked his truck at Walmart still has me giggling.Oct 15 05:32
SosumiwalwartOct 15 05:53
SosumilolOct 15 05:53
Sosumihttp://t.co/hZo2rN8QViOct 15 06:09
TechrightsBot-tr@jaredbkeller: This week's @BW cover: unmasking the identity of a Chinese hacker http://t.co/bGkHVY6K | http://t.co/k9JyGkyWOct 15 06:09
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.businessweek.com | A Chinese Hacker's Identity Unmasked - BusinessweekOct 15 06:09
Sosumimeanwhile in the real worldOct 15 06:10
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/yep-the-nsa-is-grabbing-your-address-book-contact-lists-too/Oct 15 06:10
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Yep, the NSA is grabbing your address book, contact lists too | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fw5ba ]Oct 15 06:10
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/govt-moves-to-keep-nsa-surveillance-lawsuit-away-from-supreme-court/Oct 15 06:11
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Gov’t moves to keep NSA surveillance lawsuit away from Supreme Court | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fw5bb ]Oct 15 06:11
DaemonFCSosumi, He actually hit that pole three different times in his $50,000 truck.Oct 15 07:00
DaemonFCbusted out a window and left a pile of glass next to the post.Oct 15 07:00
DaemonFCAt least a dozen people were staring at him and laughing.Oct 15 07:01
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iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/10/14/two-teats-on-ms-cash-cow-dry-up/Oct 15 07:19
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | Two Teats On M$’s Cash-cow Dry Up  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/fw5k9 ]Oct 15 07:19
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3174539Oct 15 07:19
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: UK Ministry of Defence seeks to counter growing opposition to war https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/10/14/mod-o14.html the threat of peace leads to war on peaceOct 15 07:19
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.wsws.org | UK Ministry of Defence seeks to counter growing opposition to war - World Socialist Web Site  [ http://ur1.ca/fw5ka ]Oct 15 07:19
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 15 07:21
schestowitz_bed2WAR - the Elites only means of grabbing other peoples land and resources.Oct 15 07:21
schestowitz_bed2Those other peoples land they grab are not just for 1000 elite though - the land should be divided among the many - but it goes to the few - who then sell it back at massive profits to bankers ...... who then distribute the gains as loans ....... demanding more profits on lands and resources stolen from the very people that together owned all of these lands and resources ..... what went wrong with how people let this happen ......Oct 15 07:21
schestowitz_bed2. the rule of law and force is still kicking people indigenous people off their own lands.Oct 15 07:21
schestowitz_bed2Look for any indigenous people left and look at how the elite seem to target them ....... not on our behalf surely ....... the only self sustaining people left on the planet and we need to move them on .... off their lands with any means possible ..........Oct 15 07:21
schestowitz_bed2The people are coming to realize that any WAR is actually now self destructive and just aims at lower class working people.Oct 15 07:21
schestowitz_bed2Just as it always did ....... but the History Cycles are slowly but surely showing a trend of transferring the wealth of our own lands to the very rich ........ who we now are starting to see their own GREED is endless ,,,,,,,, just one more war .........Oct 15 07:21
schestowitz_bed2Go on - we Billionaires cannot survive without one more WAROct 15 07:21
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 15 07:21
schestowitz_bed2War on war is terrorism now.Oct 15 07:21
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3172738Oct 15 07:22
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The only "Supreme" thing about the SCOTUS is that it protects the Supreme (multinational mega-corporations) from the majority.Oct 15 07:22
schestowitz_bed2"But none of that has anything to do with how SCOTUS operates: they aren't pro- or anti-Big Business; they interpret the law as it's written by congress. Congress is certainly pro-Big Business, but that's got nothing to do with SCOTUS, nor is SCOTUS in a position to fix it."Oct 15 07:22
schestowitz_bed2"Individual Justices certainly can be pro-Big business. Many of them have worked for America's biggest businesses. They're not super-people that don't have philosophical biases, otherwise there wouldn't be arguments over who is being nominated for the Supreme Court. There's arguments over nominations precisely because people know they will take that with them to the Court."Oct 15 07:22
schestowitz_bed2"Of course individual justices can have biases. But that's not what the OP said."Oct 15 07:23
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3172740Oct 15 07:23
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The world needs some good leaks from the SCOTUS and DOJ. Any whistleblowers to come forth?Oct 15 07:23
schestowitz_bed2"Brad, there have been a great number of leaks surrounding the Supreme Court in history. There have been many notable occasions in which decisions were leaked before they were officially made. Roe v. Wade, the recent Affordable Care Act decision, you just need to look for them and they are there. There is nothing special about the way the court "works" that makes it immune to leaks."Oct 15 07:24
iophkhttps://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/10/insecurities_in.htmlOct 15 07:24
TechrightsBot-trwww.schneier.com | Schneier on Security: Insecurities in the Linux /dev/random  [ http://ur1.ca/fw5l3 ]Oct 15 07:24
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 15 07:25
schestowitz_bed2I didn't say that there was anything in the court making it immune to leaks.Oct 15 07:25
schestowitz_bed2SCOTUS leaks about pending cases aren't the juicy gossip the OP was talking about, I suspect he means something more salacious, conspiratorial, or criminal. And the justices, while certainly colorful, don't work that way. They don't need to: They're lifetime appointee legal scholars; people don't come much duller. They have no remaining aspirations beyond writing decisions: they've achieved the pinnacle for their profession. ThereOct 15 07:25
schestowitz_bed2s not much to leak, and little value that hasn't been speculated to death ahead of time. What would a whistleblower uncover?Oct 15 07:25
schestowitz_bed2I've read biographies of half a dozen justices and a big day for most of them involves reading a different newspaper in the morning.Oct 15 07:25
schestowitz_bed2Maybe some of the clerks, but they're pretty uptight too. Insider trading is about the only thing that could come of it. Yawn.Oct 15 07:25
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 15 07:25
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 15 07:25
schestowitz_bed2Respectfully, I don't think you're thinking this through very well. A "bombshell" SCOTUS leak could, for instance, be a letter or email between a Justice and, say a past business associate whose company or a company they have an investment in that has a case before the Court.Oct 15 07:25
schestowitz_bed2Conflict of interest would be the biggest thing that comes to my mind. Or perhaps a Justice being lobbied, which is illegal. What if information was leaked about Justices writing private correspondence containing their opinions on the PATRIOT ACT, or the current state of the FISC? What if a Justice privately wrote a letter expressing their regret at having voted in the majority of Citizens United?Oct 15 07:25
schestowitz_bed2Information like that being made public would certainly have larger ramifications in the political discourse.Oct 15 07:25
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 15 07:25
schestowitz_bed2iophk: postedOct 15 07:28
schestowitz_bed2no randomness means no encryptionOct 15 07:28
iophkAnd trouble even with TCPOct 15 07:28
MinceRit's not exactly "no randomness", thoughOct 15 07:52
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3155208Oct 15 07:52
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Why did #Nvidia cripple its #Linux driver?  http://www.itworld.com/open-source/377696/why-did-nvidia-cripple-its-linux-driver #windowsOct 15 07:52
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.itworld.com | Why did Nvidia cripple its Linux driver?  | ITworld  [ http://ur1.ca/fuzuo ]Oct 15 07:52
schestowitz_bed2"@Dr. Roy Schestowitz: too bad, and shame on them. Really, Shame on them."Oct 15 07:53
MinceRit just means that it will recover relatively slowly from attacksOct 15 07:53
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3172587Oct 15 07:53
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![school](https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1378879_536906813060786_172615384_n.jpg)Oct 15 07:53
schestowitz_bed2"To answer the question above: we are living in such society. Even when what is written here is true, there are otherthings that are not learned unless we go to school. But, I like this. Resharing. :)"Oct 15 07:53
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3174539Oct 15 07:55
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: UK Ministry of Defence seeks to counter growing opposition to war https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/10/14/mod-o14.html the threat of peace leads to war on peaceOct 15 07:55
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.wsws.org | UK Ministry of Defence seeks to counter growing opposition to war - World Socialist Web Site  [ http://ur1.ca/fw5ka ]Oct 15 07:55
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 15 07:55
schestowitz_bed2It is going to take another 10 years to calm down and only then if people start to realize that it is not for the people.Oct 15 07:55
schestowitz_bed2Poor people die ........... poor people die ............ poor people die.Oct 15 07:55
schestowitz_bed2How many Billionaires does it take to screw in a light bulb ....... none ....... they pay others to do any job they want doing - with money they get from the very people doing the jobs in the first place.Oct 15 07:55
schestowitz_bed2Odd World ........Oct 15 07:55
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 15 07:55
MinceRrich people die too :>Oct 15 07:56
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iophkhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/15/gates_zuckerberg_to_offer_free_coding_lessons/Oct 15 08:10
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | Gates, Zuckerberg, to deliver free coding lesson • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/fw5st ]Oct 15 08:10
MinceRlike i wanted to learn coding from people who have no idea about itOct 15 08:11
MinceRthey should deliver free thieving lessons insteadOct 15 08:11
iophkit's about spreading the lock-inOct 15 08:11
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MinceRgeekingsOct 15 09:17
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iophkhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/15/snowden_nsa_snooping_hurts_our_economy/Oct 15 09:53
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | Snowden: NSA hits Americans in the WALLET – have I got your attention now? • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/fw6a6 ]Oct 15 09:53
iophkhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/15/oracle_says_open_source_has_no_place_in_military_apps/Oct 15 09:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | Oracle says open source has no place in military apps • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/fw6ab ]Oct 15 09:54
iophkDavid A Wheeler or someone else can easily rebut that.Oct 15 09:54
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MinceRno opposition candidates are allowed in a current intermediate election in hungaryOct 15 10:56
MinceRit's just like communismOct 15 10:56
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oiaohmhttp://news.slashdot.org/story/13/10/15/0243230/chinas-state-press-calls-for-building-a-de-americanized-world  This is not good.Oct 15 12:11
TechrightsBot-trnews.slashdot.org | China's State Press Calls For 'Building a De-Americanized World' - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/fw70m ]Oct 15 12:11
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iophkoiaohm: it's backlash from the last 2 administrationsOct 15 12:38
oiaohmiophk: this plan has been talked about for a while.Oct 15 12:39
oiaohmiophk: really its not about last 2 administrations.Oct 15 12:40
oiaohmiophk: China can win the War against the USA by money.Oct 15 12:40
oiaohmIf USD is removed from major international trades like oil.Oct 15 12:40
oiaohmUSD value can free fall.Oct 15 12:41
iophkWasn't oil threatened to move to the Euro a while back?Oct 15 12:41
oiaohmiophk: yes it was.Oct 15 12:42
oiaohmThe last major USA default.Oct 15 12:42
oiaohmYet the USA has not managed to pay back a single cent but now is even deeper in debt.Oct 15 12:42
iophkEventually there will be no new lenders, everyone will be maxed out.Oct 15 12:43
iophkThen the debt-based economy will implodeOct 15 12:43
iophkAlso, isn't the yuan still tied to the dollar?Oct 15 12:43
oiaohmiophk: there are no more lenders that can lend the USA enough money.Oct 15 12:43
oiaohmyuan is not tied to the dollar Oct 15 12:43
iophkwithout further lending the current system collapsesOct 15 12:43
iophkthere shouldn't have been unsustainable borrowing in the first placeOct 15 12:44
oiaohmiophk: the yuan was unlocked from the USD in 2010Oct 15 12:45
oiaohmYes the last debt screw up.Oct 15 12:45
iophkAnd too much money has been used to bail out unprofitable business modelsOct 15 12:45
oiaohmiophk: it was the EU that put forward the EURO for oil but did not get china support.Oct 15 12:46
iophkWhy does the government owe certain businesses a guaranteed profit regardless of performance or relevancy to the current market?Oct 15 12:46
oiaohmiophk: this is why I say not good.Oct 15 12:46
oiaohmWe now have the EU and China thinking something simlar.Oct 15 12:46
oiaohmNow if they can come up with a unified agreement USA is in the crapper.Oct 15 12:46
iophkBoth thinking something similar at the same time, nowOct 15 12:46
iophkBush's policies, continued by Obama, have been driving everything and everyone away. Oct 15 12:47
oiaohmThey are not in 100 percent agreement yet.Oct 15 12:47
iophkThat's a cut into research, which means 10 −20 years from now a cut in profits.Oct 15 12:47
oiaohmUSA will lose a lot of things.Oct 15 12:47
oiaohmThink about all the payments to farmers not to grow crops and other stupid things.Oct 15 12:48
iophkBy losing researchers they are losing research centers.Oct 15 12:48
oiaohmLike the massive unsold supplied of grains.Oct 15 12:48
iophkThat topples them from world dominance.Oct 15 12:48
oiaohmUSA could do quite a big firesale.Oct 15 12:48
oiaohmThat would cause a fairly large international mess.Oct 15 12:49
iophkThere are large groups intent on cultivating 3rd world-like conditions inside the US.Oct 15 12:49
iophkLargely they are succeedingOct 15 12:49
oiaohmEven doing the firesale the use cannot get enough money.Oct 15 12:49
iophkThen you have business ideologies built around tear-down and bankruptcy.Oct 15 12:49
oiaohmHeck 2012 the USA was 222 trillion in the read.Oct 15 12:49
iophkNow they are applied to governance, like in Detroit.Oct 15 12:49
oiaohmread/redOct 15 12:49
oiaohmJust paying 1 percent on 222 trillion is not simple.Oct 15 12:49
oiaohmiophk: $52,882.39 per USA citOct 15 12:51
iophkhttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/22/us/politics/us-median-income-rises-but-is-still-6-below-its-2007-peak.html?_r=0Oct 15 12:52
TechrightsBot-trmyaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times  [ http://ur1.ca/fw79l ]Oct 15 12:52
iophk"Although median annual household income rose to $52,100 in June"Oct 15 12:52
iophkThat debt is larger than the median annual income.Oct 15 12:52
iophkOf course there is also the issue of large corporations not paying much if anythingOct 15 12:53
oiaohmiophk: yep that is why it equals screwed.Oct 15 12:53
oiaohmAustralia is $17,165.49 per cit.Oct 15 12:53
oiaohmBad but workable.Oct 15 12:53
oiaohmIt would be possible to tax the hell out of Australia for a year and require all it debt.Oct 15 12:54
oiaohmiophk: basically the magic line in sand is adverage house hold income.Oct 15 12:55
iophkWhat if M$ payed tax?  Then schools and universities could be funded so that skilled engineers can be produced, ending the whine about the "need" for H1B1Oct 15 12:55
oiaohmiophk: Australia population dispoable income a year is $36 082 per person.Oct 15 12:56
MinceRm$ would still cause more damage than the tax it paysOct 15 12:56
oiaohmiophk: basically disposable being the ammount of income that you don't need to live.Oct 15 12:56
iophkagreedOct 15 12:56
iophkbut while it still exists it should be paying taxesOct 15 12:56
oiaohmiophk: so Australia debt level is still fine.Oct 15 12:57
oiaohmIts possible for us to pay it.Oct 15 12:57
oiaohmUSA cits so screwed not funny.Oct 15 12:57
oiaohmiophk: the debt level partly explains the massive work in the USA mil to move key systems off Windows to Linux.Oct 15 12:59
oiaohmiophk: once national debt is high enough governement cannot print more money unless it want to go into free fall.Oct 15 12:59
iophkAFAIK the government is buried deep into M$ and unable to get out.Oct 15 12:59
iophkYears ago the Navy was supposed to move to "open systems" but look where they are now still.Oct 15 13:00
MinceRthey could get out if they wantedOct 15 13:00
MinceRthey would eventually have their software rewritten anywayOct 15 13:00
oiaohmIn fact core systems are being rewritten.Oct 15 13:03
oiaohmProblem it they left it to the 11 hour ie last year.Oct 15 13:03
oiaohmTo start./Oct 15 13:03
oiaohmIn fact what is happening the USA should send a wake up call to a lot of countries.Oct 15 13:04
oiaohmCore systems cannot be dependant on payment to operation.Oct 15 13:04
iophkMoving away from M$ will save a hell of a lot in the server centers.  It will allow great consolidation of hardware.Oct 15 13:05
oiaohmiophk: read the write ups on the USA governement clouds.Oct 15 13:06
oiaohmiophk: Linux Linux and more LinuxOct 15 13:07
iophkAbout time.Oct 15 13:07
oiaohmiophk: desktops are still window ish with look at android.Oct 15 13:07
iophkMany areas could benefit from LTSPOct 15 13:07
oiaohmMicrosoft is dependant on MS Office holding.Oct 15 13:08
iophkeither with RaspberryPi desktops or with Userful's own hardware.Oct 15 13:08
oiaohmLinux is evolving.Oct 15 13:08
oiaohmwork on wayland will bring multiseat in as a standard feature.Oct 15 13:08
oiaohmNot a special feature.Oct 15 13:08
iophkmultiseat can be combined with LTSPOct 15 13:20
iophkcuts way back on noise and power consumption and maintenanceOct 15 13:21
oiaohmiophk: multiseat is many form factors.Oct 15 13:30
oiaohmall cut back power consumption and maintaince.Oct 15 13:31
oiaohmLTSP is only 1 of the many form factors.Oct 15 13:31
iophkYes even ditching Windows lowers CPU load (and probably GPU), which adds up for megasites.Oct 15 13:35
Sosumimeh nvidiaOct 15 14:35
Sosumithey even make it run the marathon to get cuda running with up to date releasesOct 15 14:36
Sosumiinstead of supporting the latest releases, like fedora 19Oct 15 14:36
Sosumior even back in the previous cuda toolkit, fedora 16 was the officialy supported releaseOct 15 14:37
Sosuminvidia has better CUDA support for OSX than it has for linux, despite that almost no mac, except the imac, comes with nvidia gpusOct 15 14:39
Sosuminot even the last 2 revisions came with nvidia by defaultOct 15 14:40
Sosumiso yeah, nvidia, FUOct 15 14:40
Sosumi*last 2 revisions of the mac proOct 15 14:42
Sosumiand RMS branding Steve Jobs a "malign influence" when he diedOct 15 14:46
Sosumiwell, just look at the general laptop before the crApple hype and look at them nowOct 15 14:46
Sosumiat exception of the gaming laptops/mobile workstationsOct 15 14:46
Sosumithe other machines, because they try to mimick the mackrook pro form factorOct 15 14:47
Sosumithey also get the problems of insuficient coolingOct 15 14:47
SosumiI didn't have that kind of problems on my compaq armada from 2000 and somethingsOct 15 14:48
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iophkhttp://source.android.com/source/licenses.htmlOct 15 15:29
TechrightsBot-trsource.android.com | Licenses | Android Developers  [ http://ur1.ca/3yq2t ]Oct 15 15:29
iophk"For userspace (that is, non-kernel) software, we do in fact prefer ASL2.0 (and similar licenses like BSD, MIT, etc.) over other licenses such as LGPL."Oct 15 15:46
MinceRnot newOct 15 15:48
iophkyes, it's old Oct 15 15:54
iophkThe more I see of Android the less open it seems to be.Oct 15 15:55
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Sosumihttp://www.autofans.pt/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Carro_GPL.jpgOct 15 16:01
SosumiGPL, the gold standardOct 15 16:01
MinceR:)Oct 15 16:02
MinceRknown elsewhere as "LPG"Oct 15 16:02
Sosumi:)Oct 15 16:02
schestowitz_bed2http://linuxlock.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/new-user-barrier-to-linux-i-think-i.htmlOct 15 17:13
TechrightsBot-trlinuxlock.blogspot.co.uk | The Blog of Helios: New User Barrier To Linux - I Think I Found The Problem....  [ http://ur1.ca/fw8mx ]Oct 15 17:13
schestowitz_bed2"Facebook...be there or be square."Oct 15 17:13
schestowitz_bed2And massive FB logoOct 15 17:13
schestowitz_bed2pro-Linux blog saying if you're not on FB (CIA informants) you're /"square"Oct 15 17:14
iophkAlso he should have stuck with packaged applications.Oct 15 17:50
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iophkThere's never a good reason to lead new users away from pre-packaged applications.  If it's not in the repository, then it's not available (for them)Oct 15 17:51
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MinceRi guess he'll be happy with an OS that couldn't get USB support right by 2013Oct 15 19:00
MinceRi guess that's good enough for himOct 15 19:00
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3174849Oct 15 19:03
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: The Poetterisation of GNU/Linux http://slated.org/the_poetterisation_of_gnu_linuxOct 15 19:03
TechrightsBot-tr-> slated.org | The Poetterisation of GNU/Linux | Slated  [ http://ur1.ca/fw9bv ]Oct 15 19:03
schestowitz_bed2"This character seems to want to get rid of all non-programming linux users and usher in a utopia of the True Unix Way by also getting rid of all developers who do not follow it. So basically he's a hipster."Oct 15 19:04
iophk"they not only bring with them their indoctrinated expectations, misguided ideologies and flawed methods, but worse still they actually implement them, thus destroying GNU/Linux from within."Oct 15 19:09
iophkReally afraid of LibreOffice and/or Chromebooks : http://www.informationweek.com/software/enterprise-applications/microsoft-free-office-365-for-students/240162633Oct 15 19:40
TechrightsBot-trwww.informationweek.com | Microsoft: Free Office 365 For Students - Software - Enterprise  [ http://ur1.ca/fw9j0 ]Oct 15 19:40
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Sosumiyes, yes someone talking sanity on that Slated articleOct 15 20:51
Sosumihttp://slated.org/a_fool_and_his_moneyOct 15 21:13
TechrightsBot-trslated.org | A Fool and His Money | SlatedOct 15 21:13
Sosumiare soon partedOct 15 21:13
Sosumi:)Oct 15 21:13
Sosumiactually, many games nowadays equals chasing a carrot on a stick while you being the horseOct 15 21:13
Sosumidlc, too much farming, unlocks...Oct 15 21:14
Sosumifree dlc in case of pre-ordering and the list goes onOct 15 21:15
Sosumibut anyways, the gods only need one game and that's quake 3Oct 15 21:15
MinceRi prefer xonoticOct 15 21:16
MinceR(and free software (code and assets) fps-es in general)Oct 15 21:17
Sosumiyeah, I'm seeing it nowOct 15 21:17
Sosumibut I really don't play any games at allOct 15 21:17
Sosumiuniversity gets the most out of meOct 15 21:17
MinceRnowadays i find little time to playOct 15 21:17
MinceRwork and personal projects take my energy :>Oct 15 21:18
SosumiI don't even have a single game here at my apartmentOct 15 21:19
Sosumibut I do like when I manage to go home at some special weekendOct 15 21:19
Sosumiyou know, like those preceded by an holydayOct 15 21:20
Sosumito fire my quad g5 and go blow thingsOct 15 21:20
Sosumion quake 3 or ut2k4Oct 15 21:21
Sosumibut outside of those fast paced games I really don't like anything elseOct 15 21:21
MinceR:)Oct 15 21:21
Sosumiand for storys, well I'd rather read a book, that is not fictionOct 15 21:22
Sosumialthough I have to admit that I enjoyed a lot Eternal Darkness on the game cubeOct 15 21:22
Sosumiand actually asked my grandparents the thing just to play that gameOct 15 21:22
SosumiI was 13 at the time -good times-Oct 15 21:23
Sosumiwell and got the original xbox just to play shemue 2Oct 15 21:24
Sosumishamefully, I should have gotten the dreamcast insteadOct 15 21:24
Sosumiat least I would have been able to play the first shemmueOct 15 21:25
MinceRi read both fiction and nonfictionOct 15 21:25
Sosumibut that is because I happen to enjoy bruce lee movies or those early ones with Van DammeOct 15 21:26
SosumiI tend to read nonfiction, but outside of math manuals and computer stuff I tend to go for filosofy and psychologyOct 15 21:26
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Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-15/meanwhile-real-world-americans-sell-hair-breast-milk-and-eggs-make-ends-meetOct 15 22:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | Meanwhile In The Real World, Americans Sell Hair, Breast Milk And Eggs To Make Ends Meet | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/fwaej ]Oct 15 22:48
Sosumi:(Oct 15 22:48
Sosumihopefully i wont end like in china, where ppl are hunted down and sold in partsOct 15 22:49
Sosumi*itOct 15 22:49
Sosumior maybe it will, in times of financial like these and with degeneracy creeping everywhere...Oct 15 22:50
SosumiI don't really knowOct 15 22:50
Sosumiit was just like 3 days ago, portuguese gov confiscating your 2nd pensionOct 15 22:51
Sosumiso if you worked your entire life and managed to accumulate 2 pensions, one of them goes away like the windOct 15 22:52
Sosumimeanwhile, politicians do a 3 full terms and they get a complete reformOct 15 22:53
Sosumilike if they had worked their entire lifeOct 15 22:53
Sosuminot to mention their sallary while occupying that "venerable" public postOct 15 22:54
Sosumiho and should mention, everything is ok, even through they just stole the damm, pensions, no one lifted a finger or said somethingOct 15 22:57
Sosumithe level of indiference in country is just nauseatingOct 15 22:57
Sosumihttp://davideubank.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/they_livex.jpgOct 15 22:58
Sosumijust as everyone believes what the man in between vomits (media=mediator)Oct 15 22:59
Sosumiin the real world, unemployment in portugal predicted to reach 23.3% by 2015Oct 15 23:00
Sosumikewl,Oct 15 23:00
Sosumiand I did alert some of the folks I knew, they'd be coming for the pensions hereOct 15 23:01
Sosumifollowed polland confiscating half of their pension fundsOct 15 23:01
Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-06/poland-confiscates-half-private-pension-funds-cut-sovereign-debt-loadOct 15 23:03
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | Poland Confiscates Half Of Private Pension Funds To "Cut" Sovereign Debt Load | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/fwahb ]Oct 15 23:03
Sosumiconfiscate funds -> cut debt to gdp -> issue more debtOct 15 23:03
Sosumibrooliant! who ever came up with that deserves a nobel piss prize in watheverOct 15 23:04
Sosumiwell, not to mention that former portuguese prime minister socrates sold government owned buildings and 3 public hospitalsOct 15 23:05
Sosumionly to rent them back, thus hiding the debt burdenOct 15 23:05
Sosumiagain another brooliant dealOct 15 23:06
Sosumimeanwhile the rich guys that the con man (politicians) always talks about taxing and this or thatOct 15 23:07
Sosumihas his money in non profit foundations, which can't be taxedOct 15 23:07
Sosumiso the rich guys paying for everything ends up being those earning the misery of 2000€ a month sallaryOct 15 23:08
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DaemonFCHave my car scheduled to go back into the shop tomorrow.Oct 16 01:19
DaemonFCTransmission flush and spark plugs and wires.Oct 16 01:19
DaemonFCI flushed the coolant and replaced a bad relay for the rear window defroster yesterday.Oct 16 01:20
DaemonFCAuto Zone had the coolant and flush solvents on sale.Oct 16 01:20
DaemonFCSo I used Peak Extended Life. It says 5 years/150,000 miles.Oct 16 01:21
DaemonFCWhen the car had been off for several hours, I took my garden hose sprayer and cleaned out the radiator grill. :POct 16 01:21
DaemonFCdead bugs and crap get in there over timeOct 16 01:21
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAUfJi8ijCoOct 16 03:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Lexx - 791 Dance - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fwbom ]Oct 16 03:20
DaemonFCLOLOct 16 03:20
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schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3174803Oct 16 09:18
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Elementary OS 0.2 Luna – now that’s more like it http://www.binarytides.com/elementary-os-luna-review/ #gnu #linuxOct 16 09:18
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.binarytides.com | Elementary OS 0.2 Luna – now that’s more like it  [ http://ur1.ca/fwdcs ]Oct 16 09:18
schestowitz_bed2I read "based on ubuntu" and stopped reading further... :)"77"Oct 16 09:18
schestowitz_bed2Ubuntu is based on Debian. You can take Ubuntu repos and not use Canonical's bad practices and tools.Oct 16 09:18
schestowitz_bed2"I use Elementary OS on my netbook (Asus F201) and I really like it."Oct 16 09:19
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3174840Oct 16 09:21
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ubuntu 13.10 Review: A great Linux desktop gets better http://www.zdnet.com/ubuntu-13-10-review-a-great-linux-desktop-gets-better-7000021825/ #ubuntu #gnu #linuxOct 16 09:21
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.zdnet.com | Ubuntu 13.10 Review: A great Linux desktop gets better | ZDNet  [ http://ur1.ca/fwdd5 ]Oct 16 09:21
schestowitz_bed2zdnet is so ironical..."7"Oct 16 09:21
schestowitz_bed2Excepting SJVN, zdnet is trollery and agenda disguised as news http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/ZDNetOct 16 09:21
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | ZDNet - Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/d50sx ]Oct 16 09:21
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3174833Oct 16 09:22
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ubuntu 13.10 vs. Fedora Linux CPU Benchmarks http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTQ4MTc #gnu #linux #fedora #ubuntuOct 16 09:22
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Ubuntu 13.10 vs. Fedora Linux CPU Benchmarks  [ http://ur1.ca/fwdda ]Oct 16 09:22
schestowitz_bed2Slackware+Ratpoison is faster.. :)"77"Oct 16 09:22
schestowitz_bed2Yet lacking some functionOct 16 09:22
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3174754Oct 16 09:26
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: GNU and Linux not dependent on Canonical http://fossforce.com/2013/10/disaster-ubuntu-ceased-exist/Oct 16 09:26
TechrightsBot-tr-> fossforce.com | Would It Be a Disaster If Ubuntu Ceased to Exist? - FOSS Force  [ http://ur1.ca/fwddw ]Oct 16 09:26
schestowitz_bed2Is that even a question? lol"77"Oct 16 09:26
MinceRgeekingsOct 16 09:34
schestowitz_bed2http://sphericalbullshit.wordpress.com/2013/10/16/an-uplifting-story-plz-share-lol/Oct 16 12:28
TechrightsBot-trsphericalbullshit.wordpress.com | An Uplifting Story! PLZ SHARE!! LOL! | Spherical Bullshit  [ http://ur1.ca/fwe8y ]Oct 16 12:28
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schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3178730Oct 16 14:38
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: SolusOS: A Linux Distro Stands Its Ground… http://fossforce.com/2013/10/solusos-linux-distro-stands-ground/ #SolusOS #gnu #linuxOct 16 14:38
TechrightsBot-tr-> fossforce.com | SolusOS: A Linux Distro Stands Its Ground… - FOSS Force  [ http://ur1.ca/fwey0 ]Oct 16 14:38
schestowitz_bed2"Worst Debian-based distribution I'd ever seen."Oct 16 14:38
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Sosumiubuntu and "Moronical" two things that need to be burned to the groundOct 16 14:46
MinceR:>Oct 16 14:47
Sosumibaby!Oct 16 14:48
Sosumihttps://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/10/iphone_sensor_s.htmlOct 16 14:50
TechrightsBot-trwww.schneier.com | Schneier on Security: iPhone Sensor Surveillance  [ http://ur1.ca/fwf1f ]Oct 16 14:50
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DaemonFCThe car is in the shop again. This time I'm having them drop the transmission pan and clean it out, replace the filter, replace the pan gasket, and then flush all the old fluid out and refill it.Oct 16 15:03
DaemonFCI'm doing new spark plugs and wires. I told them to use the 120,000 mile Iridium plugs.Oct 16 15:04
Sosumiwhich car did you get?Oct 16 15:04
DaemonFCand while it's in there anyway, I told them to replace the fuel filter. Could do it myself, but I don't feel like getting sprayed with gasoline.Oct 16 15:04
DaemonFCI had them fix the rear defroster and heated side mirrors on Monday ($40, bad relay), and flush and fill the coolant system.Oct 16 15:05
Sosumisecond had Abrams?Oct 16 15:05
Sosumi*handOct 16 15:05
DaemonFCSosumi, A 1996 Ford Crown Victoria LX with 94,000 miles on it.Oct 16 15:05
Sosuminever seen one of those here in portugalOct 16 15:06
DaemonFCeventually, I'm going to get all the paint blemishes buffed out or touched up, put in a new front grill, and pull out the factory radio and replace it with a touch screen one with navigation system, satellite radio, bluetooth, etc.Oct 16 15:06
DaemonFCIt'll look brand new by the time I'm finished next year.Oct 16 15:07
Sosumidon't do that, just yank the radioOct 16 15:07
Sosumiand enjoy silenceOct 16 15:07
DaemonFCI want the touch screen one with the navigation systemOct 16 15:07
MinceRSosumi: it can be turned off :>Oct 16 15:07
DaemonFCThat way I don't have to print out a map every time I go somewhere.Oct 16 15:07
Sosumi^^Oct 16 15:08
DaemonFCMinceR, Actually, it can't.Oct 16 15:08
MinceRi use a mobile phone holder for thatOct 16 15:08
DaemonFCWhen you push the button to turn it off, it comes right back on.Oct 16 15:08
MinceRoh, right, it's the one with the broken radioOct 16 15:08
DaemonFCSo I just turn the volume all the way down.Oct 16 15:08
DaemonFCNo big deal.Oct 16 15:08
DaemonFCRight now I'm just using a MP3 player to cassette adapter I got for like $6.Oct 16 15:08
DaemonFCyou just put it in the tape deck and plug the other end into the headphone jack on your mp3 player.Oct 16 15:09
DaemonFChttps://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1398794_154021488141224_995077278_o.jpgOct 16 15:12
DaemonFChttps://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/s720x720/1374910_154021581474548_2122539468_n.jpgOct 16 15:13
DaemonFChttps://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q74/s720x720/1384194_154021768141196_1070508783_n.jpgOct 16 15:14
DaemonFChttps://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ash3/q77/s720x720/1385621_154021928141180_627098852_n.jpgOct 16 15:14
DaemonFChttps://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/s720x720/1380844_154021524807887_45182308_n.jpgOct 16 15:14
DaemonFCSosumi, So there she is. :)Oct 16 15:14
DaemonFCI'm doing some catch up maintenance and a tune up at the moment.Oct 16 15:15
DaemonFCI'll have them do some paint repair and such later on.Oct 16 15:16
DaemonFCNobody ever changes their transmission fluid.Oct 16 15:16
Sosumidoesn't look badOct 16 15:16
DaemonFCYou're supposed to do a drain and fill every 30,000 miles, but people never do. So if you get a car near 100,000 miles, you need to do a flush.Oct 16 15:16
Sosumihow much did you pay?Oct 16 15:16
DaemonFC$2,200Oct 16 15:16
DaemonFCWhen you do a transmission drain and fill, you only get like 5-6 quarts of ATF fluid out. The system holds roughly 12-14 quarts on most vehicles.Oct 16 15:17
DaemonFCSo doing the service every 30,000 miles will keep the fluid fresh enough that you should never have to flush it.Oct 16 15:17
DaemonFCIf the last owner never did the drain and fills, you need to do a flush right away to force all of the old fluid out and replace it with all new fluid.Oct 16 15:18
DaemonFCThe procedure is very inefficient, so it costs more.Oct 16 15:18
DaemonFCThey end up using an additional 6-8 quarts of fluid during the process of flushing the old fluid out.Oct 16 15:19
DaemonFCThey should also drop the pan and clean it out, and replace the transmission filter and the pan gasket at this time.Oct 16 15:19
DaemonFCCopper spark plugs need replaced every 30,000 miles for optimal fuel efficiency and engine performance. This is another thing that almost nobody ever does.Oct 16 15:20
DaemonFCSo the original factory plugs are still on the car after more than 90,000 miles.Oct 16 15:20
DaemonFCI'm having them change the wires at the same time.Oct 16 15:20
DaemonFCI told them to put in the Iridium tipped plugs because those last 120,000 miles.Oct 16 15:20
DaemonFCThey're more expensive, but they save you from four scheduled spark plug changes, so they end up saving you alot more than they cost.Oct 16 15:21
DaemonFCMost shops will put in copper ones unless you tell them not to.Oct 16 15:21
DaemonFCSince changing the plugs is about $150 in the shop, you want the long life plugs to avoid going to the shop every 30,000 miles.Oct 16 15:22
DaemonFCIf they save you from $450 in shop parts and labor and they only cost an additional $5 per plug * 8, you're paying $40 to save $450.Oct 16 15:23
DaemonFCSo it's just good to use better plugs.Oct 16 15:23
DaemonFCI also took in one of their newspaper ads today. 10% off all shop labor charges.Oct 16 15:23
DaemonFCSosumi, It's a good car. The Ford 4.6 V8 is an outstanding engine.Oct 16 15:24
DaemonFCThey stopped making Crown Victorias a couple of years ago. They're pushing the Ford Taurus Police Interceptor now.Oct 16 15:25
DaemonFC3.7 liter DOHC engineOct 16 15:25
DaemonFCV6Oct 16 15:25
DaemonFCFord has these "EcoBoost" engines in everything now.Oct 16 15:26
DaemonFCSo they phased out the V8.Oct 16 15:26
MinceRwhy didn't you buy a Ford Taurus Police Interceptor? :>Oct 16 15:26
DaemonFCMinceR, They're too new.Oct 16 15:26
MinceRfinally you'd have something to intercept police with!Oct 16 15:26
DaemonFC:)Oct 16 15:26
DaemonFCThe police aren't phasing out older models yet, and you can't buy them with that equipment package directly from Ford.Oct 16 15:27
DaemonFCThey probably cost $60,000. So there's that. :)Oct 16 15:27
DaemonFCThe doors on the Taurus police interceptor are bulletproof now.Oct 16 15:28
MinceR:>Oct 16 15:28
DaemonFCI wonder why they weren't doing this before 2013.Oct 16 15:28
MinceRis the glass bulletproof too?Oct 16 15:28
DaemonFCNot sure.Oct 16 15:28
DaemonFCThe cops use the car doors as a shield. So Ford started making the doors bulletproof.Oct 16 15:28
iophkhttp://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/10/how-to-design-and-defend-against-the-perfect-backdoor/Oct 16 15:28
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | How to Design — And Defend Against — The Perfect Security Backdoor | Wired Opinion | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fwf7w ]Oct 16 15:28
DaemonFCMinceR, http://www.blogcdn.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2012/09/police-interceptor-sedan-630.jpegOct 16 15:30
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jc_q6Wa_esOct 16 15:30
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | NYPD Brand New Ford Taurus Police Interceptor - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fwf86 ]Oct 16 15:30
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/dexter-malware-infects-south-african-restaurants-costs-banks-millions/Oct 16 15:31
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | “Dexter” malware infects South African restaurants, costs banks millions | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fwf8d ]Oct 16 15:31
iophkPeople stupid enough to use Windows for point-of-saleOct 16 15:31
DaemonFCMinceR, Don't you love how the cops can park their car in the middle of a lane on the street during rush hour?Oct 16 15:31
iophkThe owner of the malware could snap up lots of cc info that way.Oct 16 15:32
MinceRDaemonFC: yeah, i love how laws don't apply to copsOct 16 15:33
DaemonFC"costs banks millions"Oct 16 15:35
DaemonFCSo? They can always print themselves more.Oct 16 15:35
iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/print/228862Oct 16 15:39
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | Scroogled my assOct 16 15:39
DaemonFCIt shocks me that people don't take better care of their cars.Oct 16 15:43
DaemonFCEven stuff like changing the spark plugs.Oct 16 15:43
DaemonFCThey're paying more for the loss in fuel economy than a set of plugs cost.Oct 16 15:43
DaemonFCOr the coolant systemOct 16 15:44
DaemonFCA flush costs $65 in a shop. A new radiator is $500, a new heater core is $600, a new water pump will cost about $200.Oct 16 15:45
DaemonFCA transmission service is $50 for your scheduled drain and fills. A rebuilt transmission is over $1,200,Oct 16 15:45
DaemonFCCommon sense says that paying $1 to save $10-20 later is a good decision.Oct 16 15:46
DaemonFCBut people are dumb and they just don't take care of what they have.Oct 16 15:46
DaemonFCThere's a joke that dentists use. Only floss the teeth you want to keep.Oct 16 15:47
DaemonFCBut it carries over to machinery. Only maintain what you want to keep.Oct 16 15:47
DaemonFCSkimping on maintenance is a very bad decision that WILL cost you alot more later.Oct 16 15:48
DaemonFCMaybe even your life.Oct 16 15:48
DaemonFCPeople neglect their brakes and drive around with the pads making that horrible screeching sound.Oct 16 15:48
DaemonFCWhat do they think happens when your brakes go out?Oct 16 15:48
DaemonFCWhere will you be and how fast will you be going when that happens? :)Oct 16 15:48
DaemonFCI see people driving around on bald tires all the time too.Oct 16 15:49
DaemonFCYou might get away with that if it's not raining or if there's no ice on the road.Oct 16 15:49
DaemonFCWalmart carries Goodyear Viva 2's for $70 each.Oct 16 15:50
DaemonFCThat's what I always use when I need new tires.Oct 16 15:50
DaemonFCI try to stay out of their TLE for oil changes, but tires are really expensive at other shops.Oct 16 15:50
DaemonFCThe cheapest tire that Wertenberger has is like $200 each.Oct 16 15:50
DaemonFCNothing wrong with cheap Goodyear tires. The more expensive ones are an immediate diminishing returns situation.Oct 16 15:51
DaemonFCYou could pay three times as much for a tire that's 10% better, but why?Oct 16 15:51
DaemonFCWhen I test drove that used Pontiac Montana van, I noticed that there was crap floating around the coolant reservoir, and the transmission had been neglected, but he had $1,000 worth of brand new tires on it.Oct 16 15:52
DaemonFCPeople are nuts.Oct 16 15:52
DaemonFCI would have gotten the Viva 2's and use the rest of the money to maintain the vehicle.Oct 16 15:53
DaemonFCThat Montana was ready for the junkyard at only 117,000 miles. What a waste.Oct 16 15:53
DaemonFCIf he had just taken care of it, it would have probably gone to at least 200-250.Oct 16 15:53
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=09o07bh0k-4Oct 16 15:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Dumb Things NOT To Do To Your Car - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fwfbt ]Oct 16 15:54
DaemonFCI like this guy.Oct 16 15:54
DaemonFCPeople also spend money on dumb things like "fuel saving" devices while they neglect their vehicle.Oct 16 15:55
DaemonFCThe US EPA tested like 125 of those devices, and concluded that only about 6 of them actually saved fuel.Oct 16 15:55
DaemonFCI'd be cautious about those even if they did. They're not a Ford authorized part, so there's no telling what other effects they may have on your car.Oct 16 15:55
DaemonFCoh, and car batteriesOct 16 15:56
DaemonFCI get those at Walmart.Oct 16 15:56
DaemonFCIt's dead simple to install those. I don't think they'll fuck that up.Oct 16 15:57
DaemonFC+1 on not letting your car run low/out of gas.Oct 16 15:58
DaemonFCIt puts strain on the fuel pump. It could overheat and fail. That's a $600 repair.Oct 16 15:58
DaemonFCThe shop will have to drop the gas tank to get to it.Oct 16 15:58
MinceRand then you get to figure out how to get gas to your carOct 16 15:58
DaemonFCIt also sucks in all of the crap that's floating on top of the gasoline and might plug up your fuel filter.Oct 16 15:59
DaemonFCMinceR, I have AAA.Oct 16 15:59
MinceRthough i guess some people carry an extra tank of gas with themOct 16 15:59
DaemonFCThey'd bring me a couple gallons of gas.Oct 16 15:59
MinceRAlcoholics Anonymous Assistance?Oct 16 15:59
DaemonFCBut letting your car run out of gas is by far the dumbest thing you could do.Oct 16 15:59
DaemonFCThere's a gauge, and even a light that comes on that says "LOW FUEL".Oct 16 15:59
DaemonFCSo it's impossible to miss.Oct 16 15:59
DaemonFCUnless you drive a GM vehicle and have one of their gas gauges that likes to bounce from full to empty at random.Oct 16 16:00
DaemonFC:)Oct 16 16:00
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DaemonFCBut GM sucks and anyone that pays alot of money for a GM vehicle is a fucking idiot to begin with.Oct 16 16:00
DaemonFCThey hardly ever build one that works right.Oct 16 16:00
MinceRhmOct 16 16:01
MinceRmaybe nokia hired that guy to do the battery meter for the n97Oct 16 16:01
DaemonFCMinceR, Almost every GM vehicle built since 1999 will have the gas gauge problem eventually.Oct 16 16:05
DaemonFCIt costs $600 to get it replaced in a shop. And the new one will start doing it too.Oct 16 16:05
MinceRand where does Chrysler stand?Oct 16 16:05
DaemonFCSo most people with a 5+ year old GM vehicle just use the trip odometer and guess.Oct 16 16:06
DaemonFC:)Oct 16 16:06
MinceR(we've discussed ford and gm, but not chrysler)Oct 16 16:06
DaemonFCChrysler/Dodge.... Uhhm. I wouldn't buy a vehicle from a company that puts the fuel filter INSIDE the gas tank.Oct 16 16:07
DaemonFC:)Oct 16 16:07
MinceRwhy?Oct 16 16:07
DaemonFCIt costs $40 to change the fuel filter on a Ford Crown Vic in the shop.Oct 16 16:07
DaemonFCIt costs about $150 to change it on a Chrysler.Oct 16 16:07
DaemonFC:)Oct 16 16:07
MinceRalso, it's funny that Dodge cars are marked with an instruction to pedestriansOct 16 16:07
MinceRon the frontOct 16 16:07
MinceRicOct 16 16:07
DaemonFCDodge it or get Rammed.Oct 16 16:08
DaemonFC:)Oct 16 16:08
MinceR:)Oct 16 16:08
DaemonFCFord makes excellent trucks, decent cars, and piss poor vans.Oct 16 16:08
DaemonFC:)Oct 16 16:08
DaemonFCGM doesn't make anything right.Oct 16 16:08
DaemonFCDodge/Chrysler has decent trucks, decent vans, and bad cars.Oct 16 16:09
DaemonFCThe main advantage to buying Ford is that their warranty and recall policies are the best out of the three, and after your car is out of warranty, it's easier and cheaper to have work done on it than the others.Oct 16 16:10
DaemonFCThe parts are less expensive and generally easier to get to, so you save on shop hours too.Oct 16 16:10
DaemonFCThe Crown Vic is a reliable car, but every car will have stuff that fails eventually. It's nice to know that you have a car that will require less shop hours for most repairs when something does happen.Oct 16 16:11
DaemonFCHonda makes reliable cars, but the reputation is exaggerated, so the price goes up.Oct 16 16:11
DaemonFCWay up.Oct 16 16:11
DaemonFCEven on used ones.Oct 16 16:11
DaemonFCThen you have to find a good independent mechanic that knows Hondas.Oct 16 16:12
DaemonFCThat's not uncommon, but it's more common to find one with a good working knowledge of Fords.Oct 16 16:12
MinceRi still prefer to not waste time on having my car serviced. :>Oct 16 16:13
DaemonFCAlot of Honda owners take it to the dealer, because shops that specialize in Honda/Toyota/Nissan vehicles typically charge more per hour than most independent mechanics would to work on a Ford.Oct 16 16:13
DaemonFCSo the price difference between the Honda Dealer and Import Doctors is not large.Oct 16 16:13
DaemonFC:)Oct 16 16:13
DaemonFCThey're both expensive.Oct 16 16:13
DaemonFCAlso, Honda doesn't have anything with a V8 to the best of my knowledge.Oct 16 16:14
DaemonFCThe Ford modular V8 is a damned good engine.Oct 16 16:14
DaemonFCMany of them make it to or exceed 300,000 miles with the scheduled maintenance being adhered to.Oct 16 16:14
DaemonFCIt's totally worth keeping your old Crown Vic going.Oct 16 16:15
DaemonFCThey put that 4.6 V8 in a lot of their vehicles.Oct 16 16:16
DaemonFCand it's not a gas guzzlerOct 16 16:16
DaemonFCEven with the worn out spark plugs and factory wires on my 96, I am getting almost 22 mpg.Oct 16 16:17
DaemonFCI suspect that will increase when they get done with that.Oct 16 16:17
DaemonFCI put platinum plugs in my Taurus right after I bought it.Oct 16 16:20
DaemonFCThe gas mileage did go up a little bit.Oct 16 16:20
DaemonFCI like the platinums because you can go 60,000-120,000 miles without replacing them again (depending on the brand).Oct 16 16:21
DaemonFCSo when your car has over 100,000 miles on it and you use platinums, you may only ever need to do it once.Oct 16 16:21
iophkhttp://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-10/16/facebook-third-worldOct 16 16:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.co.uk | Facebook is trying to buy its way into the developing world (Wired UK)  [ http://ur1.ca/fwfgg ]Oct 16 16:22
DaemonFCEach time the plug fires the cylinder, a little bit of the plug's head is worn away. Over time, your gas mileage drops, and so does the power output of your engine. If it gets really bad, you can start getting knocking and pinging. Your Service Engine light may even come on.Oct 16 16:23
DaemonFCPlatinum tips just don't wear down as fast as copper.Oct 16 16:23
MinceRstrange, platinum is a soft metal, afaikOct 16 16:24
DaemonFCAnother thing people neglect is the fuel filter.Oct 16 16:24
DaemonFCGasoline is not as clean as the oil companies would have you believe.Oct 16 16:24
DaemonFCEven though most owners manuals don't recommend a fuel filter change, you should do it at a minimum of 50,000 miles.Oct 16 16:25
DaemonFCIf you take one apart after 50,000, you'll see that the filter media is totally black.Oct 16 16:25
DaemonFCIf it gets bad enough, your car might not start, but even with partial blockage, you're putting increased wear on the fuel pump and your engine power output might drop noticeably, especially on the highway.Oct 16 16:26
DaemonFCSome fuel filters even have a bypass that gets used if they clog, so you're sending unfiltered gas to your engine and it'll eventually clog up your fuel injectors.Oct 16 16:26
DaemonFCIt costs a few hundred dollars on most cars to have a mechanic remove and clean the injectors.Oct 16 16:27
DaemonFCThose bottles that you pour in your fuel tank are not only worthless, they can dislodge some of the crap that's in your fuel tank and plug the filter.Oct 16 16:27
DaemonFCSo they're a waste of money at best, and might prevent your car from starting, which means you need to replace the filter anyway, like you should have done to start with.Oct 16 16:28
DaemonFCIf you replace the filter on time every time, your injectors should never be clogged in the first place.Oct 16 16:28
DaemonFCDon't use oil or fuel additives, ever.Oct 16 16:29
DaemonFCDon't ever get your engine "flushed". If you want to safely remove some varnish, just use Valvoline Maxlife Full Synthetic. It'll clean it up (or prevent the sludge and varnish to begin with) and it'll end up in your oil filter, where it belongs.Oct 16 16:30
DaemonFCThe filter gets changed with every oil change anyway.Oct 16 16:30
DaemonFCI hardly ever recommend a product by brand name, but I do with engine oil.Oct 16 16:31
DaemonFCThe shops that offer an engine flush should be avoided completely.Oct 16 16:33
DaemonFCThey're a dishonest shop that is selling an unnecessary and dangerous "service".Oct 16 16:33
DaemonFCIf you get an engine flush, what you're really asking for is a wallet flush.Oct 16 16:34
DaemonFCAt the very least, it was a waste of $100, but it could ruin your engine.Oct 16 16:34
DaemonFCMinceR, Does Dodge/Chrysler sell vehicles in Hungaristan?Oct 16 16:35
DaemonFC:)Oct 16 16:35
DaemonFCI drove a Dodge car once, but only because it was a rental.Oct 16 16:35
DaemonFCAt the time, it was a brand new '03 Dodge Stratus.Oct 16 16:35
DaemonFCThey're a nice car when they're new.Oct 16 16:35
DaemonFCBut you don't want to own one.Oct 16 16:35
DaemonFC:)Oct 16 16:35
DaemonFChttp://www.bobistheoilguy.com/forums/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=512660&page=allOct 16 16:50
TechrightsBot-trwww.bobistheoilguy.com | Question and thoughts on Transmission flushes - Bob Is The Oil Guy  [ http://ur1.ca/fwfm4 ]Oct 16 16:50
DaemonFC"Chris B. - A co-worker of mine said I should not have flushed it and guarantees that it will fail soon now with in 4,000 more miles."Oct 16 16:51
DaemonFCI had it flushed on the Taurus when it had 113,000 and I just sold it eight years later.Oct 16 16:51
DaemonFC:)Oct 16 16:51
DaemonFCThe flush is a "catch up" service when the last owner neglected the drain and fill procedure.Oct 16 16:51
DaemonFCI specifically asked the guy at Daniels if they drop the pan and replace the filter and gasket.Oct 16 16:54
DaemonFCSome shops use what's called a "T-Tech" machine.Oct 16 16:54
DaemonFCYou don't want that.Oct 16 16:54
MinceRDaemonFC: i think they doOct 16 16:54
MinceRi remember seeing a few pt cruisersOct 16 16:54
DaemonFCIt makes the bay technician's job easier, but it doesn't clean the pan or change the gasket and filter.Oct 16 16:54
DaemonFCMinceR, An alcoholic ran into the side of my Lumina with a PT Cruiser.Oct 16 16:55
DaemonFCTotaled the PT Cruiser.Oct 16 16:55
DaemonFCHis insurance company gave me a check for $2,000. I got some doors off a junkyard Lumina and installed them for about $200Oct 16 16:55
DaemonFC:)Oct 16 16:55
DaemonFCI had the estimate done at Pace Chevrolet so that the price would be astronomical, so they'd cut me a larger check.Oct 16 16:56
DaemonFCThen I replaced the doors with junkyard parts myself.Oct 16 16:56
DaemonFC:)Oct 16 16:56
DaemonFCI used the remaining $1,800 on a really nice vacation that summer.Oct 16 16:56
MinceR:>Oct 16 16:56
DaemonFCMinceR, My mom says that transmissions are unreliable. I told her that hers already had three strikes against them.Oct 16 17:00
DaemonFCShe drives a GM vehicle, SHE drives the GM vehicle, and she never gets them serviced on schedule.Oct 16 17:01
DaemonFCThey might survive any one of the three, but not all three.Oct 16 17:01
DaemonFC:)Oct 16 17:01
DaemonFCGM really makes some godawful crap.Oct 16 17:02
DaemonFCReally really bad cars.Oct 16 17:02
DaemonFCI will NEVER own one again.Oct 16 17:02
DaemonFCMinceR, Chevrolet is both a brand and a warning label.Oct 16 17:02
DaemonFCShe has this terrible habit of shifting gears while the car is still moving.Oct 16 17:03
MinceRthere are many of thoseOct 16 17:03
DaemonFCIt's a wonder that they last as long as they do with her driving.Oct 16 17:03
MinceRhm, i regularly shift gears while the car is movingOct 16 17:03
MinceRi thought it was normalOct 16 17:03
DaemonFCIt's an automatic and she shifts into REVERSE and PARK while the car is moving.Oct 16 17:04
MinceRi do press the clutch while doing so, though :>Oct 16 17:04
DaemonFC:)Oct 16 17:04
MinceRwell, that's different :>Oct 16 17:04
DaemonFCYeah, just a little.Oct 16 17:04
DaemonFC:)Oct 16 17:04
DaemonFCI keep yelling at her for it, and she keeps doing it.Oct 16 17:04
DaemonFCShe's had so many transmission rebuilds on so many cars, I've lost count.Oct 16 17:04
DaemonFCShe's a really horrible driver.Oct 16 17:04
DaemonFCYou do not shift into Park or Reverse until the vehicle has come to a full and complete stop....Oct 16 17:05
DaemonFCUnless you just like paying for rebuilt transmissions.Oct 16 17:05
DaemonFCI'm not sure if the last owner of my car did the drain and fill on the transmission.Oct 16 17:07
DaemonFCThe fluid was bright red, but I'm not taking any chances.Oct 16 17:08
DaemonFCEspecially not for an extra $30.Oct 16 17:08
DaemonFC:POct 16 17:08
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iophkhttp://www.chron.com/news/crime/article/NH-gas-clerk-fired-for-pulling-gun-on-robber-4900117.phpOct 16 18:44
TechrightsBot-trwww.chron.com | NH gas clerk fired for pulling gun on robber - Houston Chronicle  [ http://ur1.ca/fwg8f ]Oct 16 18:45
DaemonFCMinceR, My mom has punished that poor Impala.Oct 16 18:55
DaemonFCShe neglects all the maintenance and then replaced a lot of high dollar parts.Oct 16 18:55
DaemonFCIt's closing in on 300,000 miles, but she's put a lot of money into it that she wouldn't have had to if she got it serviced on time.Oct 16 18:55
DaemonFCWhen she's done with it, it will be fit for crushing.Oct 16 18:56
iophkhttp://opensource.com/life/13/10/interview-rudolf-streif-linux-carsOct 16 18:56
iophk"in-vehicle infotainment" ought to consist of a velcro strip where the tablet gets fastenedOct 16 18:56
TechrightsBot-tropensource.com | Interview with Rudolf Streif of The Linux Foundation  | opensource.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fwgaj ]Oct 16 18:56
DaemonFCAs far as I know, she's never even replaced the spark plugs.Oct 16 18:57
DaemonFCThat thing probably gets horrible gas mileage by this point.Oct 16 18:57
DaemonFCMy Crown Vic is actually getting the same mileage or better than the Taurus I got rid of.Oct 16 18:57
DaemonFCI'm impressed.Oct 16 18:57
DaemonFCThat Taurus was in rough shape when I bought it.Oct 16 18:58
DaemonFCIt's probably why I got it cheap.Oct 16 18:58
DaemonFCIt was a fleet vehicle to begin with.Oct 16 18:58
DaemonFCI was the third owner.Oct 16 18:58
MinceRiophk: a USB charger connector wouldn't hurt eitherOct 16 18:59
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/arduino-creator-explains-why-open-source-matters-in-hardware-too/Oct 16 18:59
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Arduino creator explains why open source matters in hardware, too | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fwgb0 ]Oct 16 18:59
iophkMinceR: it sometimes looks like they're less about adding benefit to the car and more about accelerating an already planned obsolescenceOct 16 19:01
MinceRindeedOct 16 19:02
iophkthe early attempts I saw a few years ago were simply wastes of space and distractionsOct 16 19:03
iophkwith the old UI you could use tactile feedbackOct 16 19:03
iophkit was not necessary to take your eyes off the road to adjust a knobOct 16 19:04
iophktouch screens are 100% visualOct 16 19:04
iophkcan't watch the road while you adjust a touch screen UIOct 16 19:04
DaemonFCI wonder when they'll be done with my car.Oct 16 19:18
*DaemonFC is glad he looked in the newspaper. It usually goes in the trash.Oct 16 19:18
DaemonFCEveryone in the county gets a free newspaper.Oct 16 19:18
DaemonFCIf I hadn't opened it, I would have missed that 10% off labor coupon.Oct 16 19:19
DaemonFCThat'll save me $13.60 off the spark plug and wire service by itself.Oct 16 19:19
DaemonFCI'll probably save like $25 in the end.Oct 16 19:20
DaemonFCEvery bit helps :)Oct 16 19:20
DaemonFCI had them write on the coolant overflow tank lid the date I had them flush that.Oct 16 19:21
DaemonFCSo I'll remember to do it again in three years.Oct 16 19:21
DaemonFCIt's always better to do the coolant flush near the end of the year, just before winter. All the shops start doing half price coolant flushes.Oct 16 19:21
DaemonFCYou save like $60.Oct 16 19:22
*DaemonFC is tempted to crank call Pace Chevrolet and tell them I'd like a Wallet Flush.Oct 16 19:23
DaemonFCB-)Oct 16 19:23
DaemonFCThey're so freaking expensive, it's unreal.Oct 16 19:23
DaemonFCTake whatever Daniels charges, and add like 80%, and then you have the dealer service department cost.Oct 16 19:24
DaemonFCIt can be difficult to find a good independent garage though.Oct 16 19:24
DaemonFCIf you do, then stick to that garage.Oct 16 19:24
DaemonFCIndependents are kind of hit or miss.Oct 16 19:25
DaemonFCSome of them hire idiots, and some are as good or better than the dealers at a much lower price.Oct 16 19:25
MinceR202027 < DaemonFC> Every bit helps :)Oct 16 19:26
MinceREvery Little Helps? :>Oct 16 19:26
DaemonFCexactly :)Oct 16 19:28
iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/mpaa-says-piracy-damages-cant-be-measured-131016/Oct 16 19:29
TechrightsBot-trtorrentfreak.com | MPAA Says Piracy Damages Can’t Be Measured | TorrentFreak  [ http://ur1.ca/fwgg7 ]Oct 16 19:29
DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 16 19:56
DaemonFC2 seconds agoOct 16 19:56
DaemonFCFor that matter, Pace Chevrolet should have ditched their Chevrolet lot and kept selling Fords. I've *_never_* owned a Chevrolet that worked right.Oct 16 19:56
DaemonFCMom's Impala is nearing 300,000, but it cost her a boatload of money to get it there. For what it cost her to fix that darned thing, she could have gone to Kerns Ford in Celina and had a '96 Crown Vic with 74,000 on it.Oct 16 19:56
DaemonFCI do not know what she sees in GM vehicles. I think they're all garbage. Her fuel gauge has that "Bounces up and down between F and E at random" problem that every GM vehicle since 1999 seems to develop at some point.Oct 16 19:56
DaemonFCThey said she would have to spend six hundred dollars to get the fuel gauge replaced, so she's been resetting the trip odometer and winging it.Oct 16 19:56
DaemonFCShe ran out of gas and asked her to me bring her some a few weeks ago.Oct 16 19:56
DaemonFCMy 1995 Ford Taurus didn't give me 10% of the problems as her stupid Chevrolet has given her. She even had to spend $800 on a new rack and pinion steering system. Really GM? REALLY!?Oct 16 19:56
DaemonFChttps://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/p480x480/1377144_155043454705694_45789965_n.jpgOct 16 19:56
DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 16 20:02
DaemonFC2 seconds agoOct 16 20:02
DaemonFCCome to think of it, after I do the minor body work on this Crown Vic, I might have them install one of those push bars off a police cruiser. That should save the bumper if I ever hit something.Oct 16 20:02
DaemonFCDoes anyone know how much a junkyard would charge me for one of those?Oct 16 20:02
MinceR:)Oct 16 20:02
DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 16 20:05
DaemonFC2 seconds agoOct 16 20:05
DaemonFCThe only downside to owning a Crown Vic is the temptation to actually get it up to 140. Oct 16 20:05
DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 16 20:08
DaemonFC2 seconds agoOct 16 20:08
DaemonFCBEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP Ka Alert!Oct 16 20:08
DaemonFC*Not sure if cop or stupid "Your Speed" sign they keep dragging around town.*Oct 16 20:08
DaemonFCRyan Farmer shared a link.Oct 16 20:19
DaemonFCa few seconds agoOct 16 20:19
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5S6s5dZXNMOct 16 20:19
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | TRON Legacy - The Grid (Long Version) - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fwgq3 ]Oct 16 20:19
DaemonFC:)Oct 16 20:19
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Sosumiever heard far cry 3 blood dragon ost?Oct 16 20:37
Sosumihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXv8JVbqwaoOct 16 20:37
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Far Cry 3: Blood Dragon (OST) - Full Soundtrack - YouTubeOct 16 20:37
Sosumione wordOct 16 20:37
SosumiawesomeOct 16 20:37
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/thanks-to-nsa-german-e-mail-providers-see-flood-of-new-customers/Oct 16 20:42
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Thanks to NSA, German e-mail providers see flood of new customers | Ars TechnicaOct 16 20:42
Sosumihey wasn't germany the one that got caught by some chaos computer group guy for state sponsored malwareOct 16 20:43
Sosumiderptechnica strikes againOct 16 20:43
Sosumimails in germany are as safe as they are in any other countryOct 16 20:45
Sosumieven in portugal, the SIS (serviços de informação de segurança) has a special room at main distribution centers where they install their snooping gearOct 16 20:47
Sosumihttp://www.smmp.pt/?p=24224Oct 16 20:49
TechrightsBot-trwww.smmp.pt | SMMP – Sindicato dos Magistrados do Ministério Público  » Arquivo   » 36 CIDADÃO SOB ESCUTA TODOS OS DIASOct 16 20:49
Sosumi36 citizens (randomly) put under surveillance every dayOct 16 20:50
Sosumiso much for the NSA - GCHQ - Echelon hypeOct 16 20:52
Sosumiwhen everyone is doing itOct 16 20:52
Sosumiwelcome to the real worldOct 16 20:53
Sosumibtw, after leaving intelligence services, or while still at it, why not become an information broker or insider trader?Oct 16 20:54
JimmyCartermoral integrity and patriotismOct 16 20:55
Sosumiwell that's what former SIS and SIED (serviços de informação estrategicas de defesa), they not only formed but keep filling the ranks of the Ongoing Investment GroupOct 16 20:55
Sosumilol @ patriotismOct 16 20:56
Sosumithe nation state is deadOct 16 20:56
Sosumihttp://expresso.sapo.pt/ex-diretor-do-sied-a-caminho-da-ongoing=f618306Oct 16 20:56
TechrightsBot-trexpresso.sapo.pt | Ex diretor do SIED a caminho da Ongoing - Expresso.ptOct 16 20:56
SosumiFormer SIED director joining OngoingOct 16 20:57
Sosumiand those revolving doors between SIS/SIED and Ongoing and the warrantless spying is nothing newOct 16 21:04
Sosumiit has been knows widelly since 2009Oct 16 21:04
Sosumiwell before the subject was killed by the mediaOct 16 21:05
Sosumiand replaced with triviaOct 16 21:05
Sosumias usualOct 16 21:05
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sebsebsebhiOct 16 21:06
Sosumiseb³Oct 16 21:07
sebsebsebSosumi: uh meant too be making another slide show or twoOct 16 21:08
sebsebsebSosumi: I plan too speak at http://oggcamp.org this weekendOct 16 21:08
TechrightsBot-troggcamp.org | OggCampOct 16 21:08
sebsebsebat least a five minutes Lightning TalkOct 16 21:08
sebsebsebmaybe my own room dependsOct 16 21:08
SosuminiceOct 16 21:08
sebsebsebSosumi: own room needs votesOct 16 21:08
sebsebsebvoted inOct 16 21:08
sebsebsebneed enough votes or no talkOct 16 21:09
sebsebsebalso if the vote sytem goes down on me like last year when  I need vvotes i guess not talk agianOct 16 21:09
Sosumi"Lightning TalksOct 16 21:10
Sosumi - This year the main stage will play host to a half-hour session of 5-minute lightning talks.  Sign-up details will be given on the day."Oct 16 21:10
Sosumino voting yetOct 16 21:10
Sosumibut I wonte forget to vote on you, no worriesOct 16 21:10
Sosumiseb³ for head of Mageia propaganda officeOct 16 21:11
Sosumisad that the event is also sponsored by MoronicalOct 16 21:12
Sosumiho and M$ has officially turned Mantle downOct 16 21:16
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Sosumimonopoly$oft trying to keep competition out of DXOct 16 21:27
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DaemonFC$400Oct 16 22:09
DaemonFCCar is running good though.Oct 16 22:09
Sosumihows the debt ceiling thing going?Oct 16 22:40
Sosumiwill blood run on the street? :)Oct 16 22:41
DaemonFCRyan Farmer shared a link.Oct 16 22:50
DaemonFC5 hours agoOct 16 22:50
DaemonFChttp://www.usatoday.com/story/news/2013/10/16/government-shutdown-debt-limit-congress-deal/2993181/Oct 16 22:50
DaemonFCThe Republicans seem to have come to their senses at the last minute and start behaving like grown ups (for the moment).Oct 16 22:50
DaemonFCFor now, they won't get the Social Security and Medicare cuts and middle class tax hikes (Chained CPI) that they wanted. The only thing they got through is something that I actually agree with. Income verification for people wanting health insurance on the new exchanges.Oct 16 22:50
TechrightsBot-trwww.usatoday.com | House agrees to move Senate debt ceiling deal  [ http://ur1.ca/fwh2t ]Oct 16 22:50
Sosumisounds to me like a mix of wag the dog and the death by a thousand cutsOct 16 22:53
DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 16 22:53
DaemonFC2 seconds agoOct 16 22:53
DaemonFCThe Weather Channel's website has really gotten annoying. Now they even have "Vista 8" style tiles.Oct 16 22:53
DaemonFC*barf*Oct 16 22:53
DaemonFCI need to switch my start page to Weather Underground. Last night, it was storming while the Weather Channel said "clear with 0% chance of rain". Fail.Oct 16 22:53
Sosumiyou know, 8 stands for infinity, literally, lolOct 16 22:55
Sosumiso vista 8 = infinite possibilities of disasterOct 16 22:55
Sosumiand now the new Vista 8.1 is the same thingOct 16 22:56
Sosumibecause 8.1=8Oct 16 22:56
Sosumimath never liesOct 16 22:56
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Sosumialthough, vista 8 is less than a disaster than OSXOct 16 23:06
SosumiLaunchpad? seriously...Oct 16 23:06
Sosumiwhat M$ did with the tiles thing was merge the Dashboard and LaunchpadOct 16 23:07
Sosumibasically, two jokes into a bigger jokeOct 16 23:07
Sosumibut at least they made it funccional with live tiles and bloatOct 16 23:08
Sosumithat's why it's better (like in comparing poop)Oct 16 23:08
Sosumiand I say it trullyOct 16 23:10
SosumiI don't like KDEOct 16 23:10
Sosumibut on my opinion it's the best GUI i've usedOct 16 23:11
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Sosumienlightned ranks there too,Oct 16 23:11
Sosumialso very nice to useOct 16 23:11
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Sosumihttp://news.firedoglake.com/2013/09/13/saudis-sending-deathrow-prisoners-to-fight-with-rebels-in-syria/Oct 16 23:12
TechrightsBot-trnews.firedoglake.com | Saudis Sending Death Row Prisoners To Fight With Rebels In Syria |  FDL News Desk  [ http://ur1.ca/fwh7b ]Oct 16 23:12
Sosumireality distorcion field -> got to love those peace loving middle eastern democraciesOct 16 23:13
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Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-16/keith-alexander-nsa-head-stepping-downOct 16 23:15
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | Keith Alexander, NSA Head, Stepping Down | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/fwh7y ]Oct 16 23:15
Sosumihe's going to spend the rest of is life as a "cutter", like in the 2004 film "The Final Cut"Oct 16 23:16
Sosumihttp://www.imdb.com/title/tt0364343/Oct 16 23:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.imdb.com | The Final Cut (2004) - IMDbOct 16 23:16
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DaemonFCI'm going to try to get the body parts I need for my car from a junkyard.Oct 17 00:44
DaemonFCHopefully I can find a '96 Crown Victoria that hasn't had any front end damage that's the same color.Oct 17 00:44
DaemonFCIf I can do that, I won't need to paint anything.Oct 17 00:45
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iophkhttp://www.zdnet.com/samba-4-1-brings-linux-desktop-and-mac-files-from-windows-8-server-2012-7000021945/Oct 17 07:53
TechrightsBot-trwww.zdnet.com | Samba 4.1 brings Linux desktop and Mac files from Windows 8, Server 2012 | ZDNet  [ http://ur1.ca/fwjjx ]Oct 17 07:53
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schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3178982Oct 17 09:17
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA Has Spurred Renewed Interest In Thorough Security Audits Of Popular 'Secure' Software http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131015/10040524884/nsa-has-spurred-renewed-interest-thorough-security-audits-popular-secure-software.shtml #truecryptOct 17 09:17
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techdirt.com | NSA Has Spurred Renewed Interest In Thorough Security Audits Of Popular 'Secure' Software | Techdirt  [ http://ur1.ca/fwfxb ]Oct 17 09:17
schestowitz_bed2"While I don't think TrueCrypt has been OSI-certified, I'm pretty sure the source is available and many of objections by the distro maintainers have been alleviated."Oct 17 09:17
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 17 09:21
schestowitz_bed2The problem is that people think they can run free software on top of non free software like Windows or OSX. That's transparently foolish, but people think they can somehow hide things from an OS that's logging their keystrokes and everything else they do.Oct 17 09:21
schestowitz_bed2The same problems happen when you put non free software, like Nvidia drivers or Flash, on top of GNU/Linux. Regardless of what the owners say, non free software always has the power to betray the user.Oct 17 09:21
schestowitz_bed2Techdirt and most of the tech press do not do enough to convince people this is true. This article leaves the reader with the impression that precompiled binaries for Windows can somehow be audited and then have some privacy on Windows. The tech press in general has failed badly to understand what's really at stake with software freedom. Most of it is infiltrated and subverted by Microsoft and other non free software companies Oct 17 09:21
schestowitz_bed2that won't allow them to say that non free software is immoral and impossible to trust or verify.Oct 17 09:21
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 17 09:21
iophkAlso the drivers have kernel-level access.Oct 17 09:21
schestowitz_bed2I agree with Will, except for the accusation of sorts against TechDirt, which should generally know better about FOSS (Mike Masnick usually does better than that and I had noticed his omission also).Oct 17 09:22
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 17 09:22
schestowitz_bed2Yes, I agree with you in that regard. Though I would add that if we take it to the extreme, even open-source binaries can't be trusted either as it's entirely possible to replace a file in transit.Oct 17 09:22
schestowitz_bed2If we let this logic run its course everyone should be using 100% GPL code that they compile themselves. The problem is, that's a reality in terms of technical feasibility for very, very few people in this world.Oct 17 09:22
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 17 09:22
schestowitz_bed2One of our clients in the UK govt. require us to have a formal build process with much auditing even for FOSS, for this very reason.Oct 17 09:23
brendynIt doesn't need to be GPL?Oct 17 09:23
iophkThe binaries can be replaced in transit if they are not signed.  AFAIK RPM and APT keep checksums and then the register of checksums is PGP signed.Oct 17 09:23
schestowitz_bed2*requiresOct 17 09:23
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3172412Oct 17 09:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Techrights Was Right About Skype All Along http://techrights.org/2013/10/14/techrights-on-skype/ #skype #privacyOct 17 09:24
schestowitz_bed2"Dr. Roy. I like your site. Lot of interesting reading. But you really need to give it a facelift , the layout looks awful. You have this transparent right margin going straight through the live news and pages boxes. I know it is all about content but... :-)"Oct 17 09:24
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | Techrights Was Right About Skype All Along | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fwjye ]Oct 17 09:24
schestowitz_bed2other people mentioned the same layout issue. It has been like this for nearly 7 years - layout has been preserved for consistency, unlikely to change in the near future but mightOct 17 09:25
schestowitz_bed2https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3181229Oct 17 09:33
TechrightsBot-trwww.joindiaspora.com | ### #Golf ball hitting #steel at 150mph, recorded at 70 000fps  [ http://ur1.ca/fwjzl ]Oct 17 09:33
MinceRr4wrOct 17 09:42
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3178996Oct 17 09:45
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Just because one way or another the NSA's cybercriminals can get your data doesn't justify giving up and making it easier for them.Oct 17 09:45
schestowitz_bed2"I have so many friends, friends who love their Android phones and their Kindle Fires, who constantly respond to continuing NSA revelations with "they're going to get it no matter what," "I have nothing to hide," etc. There's a lot of defeatists out there right now, unfortunately."Oct 17 09:45
schestowitz_bed2Defeatists are a real issue, but worse are those who ridicule those who aren;t.Oct 17 09:45
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3178718Oct 17 09:47
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Steve Ballmer's slogan is similar to that of another (think Godwin Law), but then again, Microsoft is saving the world, in its own mind.Oct 17 09:47
schestowitz_bed2"It was my impression that they would soon disappear, and that was in 1998. Why they still exist is a mystery to me."Oct 17 09:47
schestowitz_bed2In 1998 microsoft had massive losses it had hidden, but it continued to serve NSA by harvesting data on the whole world.Oct 17 09:47
MinceRsaving the world from itself? that would be nice, if a little overdueOct 17 09:48
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3178538Oct 17 09:48
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux only needs one 'killer' game to explode, says Battlefield director  http://www.polygon.com/2013/10/12/4826190/linux-only-needs-one-killer-game-to-explode-says-battlefield-director #gnu #linux #game #killerappOct 17 09:48
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.polygon.com | Linux only needs one 'killer' game to explode, says Battlefield director   | Polygon  [ http://ur1.ca/fwk21 ]Oct 17 09:48
schestowitz_bed2"And this has been true for the last 15 years."Oct 17 09:48
iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/10/16/laptop-computers-at-walmart-now-include-lots-of-linux/Oct 17 09:54
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | Laptop Computers At Walmart Now Include Lots Of */Linux  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/fwk39 ]Oct 17 09:54
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schestowitz_bed2http://www.yourfuturejob.com/job/linux-technical-expert-%E2%80%93-linux-format-fp00417/ http://tuxradar.com/content/linux-format-hiringOct 17 10:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.yourfuturejob.com | Linux Technical Expert – Linux Format | Job vacancy, posted: October 7, 2013 | Future Publishing Jobs  [ http://ur1.ca/fwk7z ]Oct 17 10:16
TechrightsBot-trtuxradar.com | Linux Format is hiring | TuxRadar Linux  [ http://ur1.ca/fwk80 ]Oct 17 10:16
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MinceRhttp://static.mellbimbo.eu/files/2013/10/17/acid_picdump_97.jpgOct 17 12:39
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schestowitz_bed2singling out android for security FUDOct 17 13:11
schestowitz_bed2http://www.av-test.org/en/about-the-institute/partners/Oct 17 13:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.av-test.org | AV-TEST - The Independent IT-Security Institute: Partners  [ http://ur1.ca/fwl5s ]Oct 17 13:11
schestowitz_bed2http://www.pcworld.com/article/2052810/security-to-go-three-tips-to-keep-your-mobile-data-safe.htmlOct 17 13:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.pcworld.com | Security to go: Three tips to keep your mobile data safe | PCWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fwl5t ]Oct 17 13:11
schestowitz_bed2https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3182128Oct 17 13:13
TechrightsBot-trwww.joindiaspora.com | The United States...  [ http://ur1.ca/fwl6h ]Oct 17 13:13
schestowitz_bed2https://www.joindiaspora.com/p/3182128Oct 17 13:13
TechrightsBot-trwww.joindiaspora.com | The United States...Oct 17 13:13
schestowitz_bed2More FUD http://www.itworld.com/open-source/378831/will-android-survive-chaos-google-samsung-and-htcOct 17 13:17
TechrightsBot-trwww.itworld.com | Will Android survive the chaos of Google, Samsung and HTC?  | ITworld  [ http://ur1.ca/fwl6y ]Oct 17 13:17
schestowitz_bed2along the same lines as yesterday'sOct 17 13:17
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Sosumiwell, gnu/linux needs a killer appOct 17 14:50
Sosumiwhy not release BF4 for it then?Oct 17 14:51
SosumiDICE and EA = jokeOct 17 14:51
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/windows-8-1-what-a-difference-a-year-makes/Oct 17 14:53
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Windows 8.1: What a difference a year makes | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fwljn ]Oct 17 14:53
Sosumipeter bright's review, sponsored by M$Oct 17 14:54
Sosumibecause damm, no words to describe the amount of failure vista isOct 17 14:54
Sosumiand the guy praises the thingOct 17 14:54
Sosumiit's a disaster, M$ should just scrap the entire metro interfaceOct 17 14:55
Sosumiwhich is just two failures (dashboard and launchpad) merged togetherOct 17 14:55
Sosumihttp://www.pcworld.com/article/2055640/apples-claim-of-unbreakable-imessage-encryption-basically-lies-researchers-say.htmlOct 17 15:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.macworld.com | Researchers challenge Apple's claim of unbreakable iMessage encryption | Macworld  [ http://ur1.ca/fwlna ]Oct 17 15:23
iophkbright and other shills seem to be in every publication now.Oct 17 15:36
iophkSome have several at the same time.Oct 17 15:36
iophkSome have many, like the BBCOct 17 15:36
iophkEven The Guardian has at least one.Oct 17 15:40
SosumiI'm surprised he didn't write 20 pages+ reviewOct 17 15:53
Sosumilike they do for OSX reviewsOct 17 15:53
iophkhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2301281/canonical-steals-windows-81s-thunder-with-ubuntu-1310-releaseOct 17 15:55
TechrightsBot-trwww.theinquirer.net | Canonical steals Windows 8.1's thunder with Ubuntu 13.10 release- The Inquirer  [ http://ur1.ca/fwlr5 ]Oct 17 15:55
iophk"Canonical is touting the Ubuntu 13.10 release as the "first step to mobile [and] PC convergence""Oct 17 15:56
iophkIIRC it still has the spyware issue by default.Oct 17 15:56
iophkXubuntu, Lubuntu, and Kubuntu don'tOct 17 15:56
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Sosumiyay moronicalOct 17 16:04
Sosumipraising M$ and supporting monoOct 17 16:05
Sosumiand ofc, sending searches by default to amazonOct 17 16:05
MinceRalso praising crAppleOct 17 16:06
MinceRand attacking other GNU/Linux distributionsOct 17 16:06
MinceRand demanding "respect" for all thisOct 17 16:06
SosumiyepOct 17 16:10
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Sosumihttp://www.cinemablend.com/games/crytek-admits-microsoft-had-rewrite-xbox-one-code-run-software-59912.htmlOct 17 16:26
TechrightsBot-trwww.cinemablend.com | Crytek Admits Microsoft Had To Rewrite Xbox One Code To Run Software  [ http://ur1.ca/fwlt7 ]Oct 17 16:26
Sosumialso, ps4 running BF4 at 900p, xbone at 700pOct 17 16:27
Sosumihopefully m$ gaming division finally dies this yearOct 17 16:27
SosumiI mean, this genOct 17 16:27
iophkit has been a money loser for a long time, they'll keep pouring money into it just to try to hurt Nintendo and Sony.Oct 17 16:30
iophkOuya might hurt them, too.Oct 17 16:30
iophkSame with Steambox.Oct 17 16:31
iophkThe market is getting even more competitive.Oct 17 16:31
Sosumiouya was kind of a failureOct 17 16:31
iophknot yetOct 17 16:31
Sosumiand nintendo is failing with their game gearOct 17 16:32
SosumiI mean wii u Oct 17 16:32
iophkyeahOct 17 16:32
iophkThe Wii is still doing ok though last I heard.Oct 17 16:32
Sosumiyeah kind of, among the casual pplOct 17 16:33
Sosumiand childrenOct 17 16:33
iophkSteam will cut into that part of the market.Oct 17 16:34
iophkThere's no place for the xbone, the high end is taken and the low end is taken and the middle is not bigOct 17 16:34
iophkthen there are all the drawbacks that scare away buyersOct 17 16:34
iophkToo bad Sony screwed so many people over badly with the rootkit and the OtherOS fiasco.Oct 17 16:35
Sosumiyep, I really hope the steambox actually succeedesOct 17 16:35
iophkSteambox can be a good low-end desktop for mail and surfing.Oct 17 16:35
Sosumialthough outside the console ppl, pc gaming as never been strongerOct 17 16:36
Sosumias it is nowOct 17 16:36
iophkAs more go back to OpenGL that could change.Oct 17 16:36
iophkMany gamers only what what is fastest.Oct 17 16:36
Sosumifastest and easiest to get the games runningOct 17 16:37
Sosumithat's why consoles are usually the go toOct 17 16:37
iophkCan't beat the graphical package managers in LinuxOct 17 16:37
iophkthose are very easy.Oct 17 16:37
Sosumibut PC gaming, you know those ppl that build their systems, is stronger than everOct 17 16:37
Sosumiyeah, well, let's hope nvidia doesn't screw things more than they already didOct 17 16:38
iophkThey're still not out of the woods.Oct 17 16:38
iophkold - http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/09/nvidia-seeks-peace-with-linux-pledges-help-on-open-source-driver/Oct 17 16:40
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Nvidia seeks peace with Linux, pledges help on open source driver (Updated) | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fwlug ]Oct 17 16:40
Sosumihelp...Oct 17 16:40
Sosumiand then they cripple their linux driver to keep parity with winblowsOct 17 16:40
iophkI'm surprised that with the nsa revelations there is not more outrage about the binary-only, proprietary blobs.  You can hide a lot of stuff in a few megs.Oct 17 16:40
Sosumino oficial support for cuda on latest releasesOct 17 16:41
Sosumino one cares about the NSAOct 17 16:41
iophkhttps://matt.ucc.asn.au/dropbear/dropbear.htmlOct 17 16:41
TechrightsBot-trmatt.ucc.asn.au | Dropbear SSH  [ http://ur1.ca/fwluh ]Oct 17 16:41
iophk"Dropbear can compile to a  110kB statically linked"Oct 17 16:41
Sosumiand if I mention it I easily get confronted with the typical dr. Goebbels kind of responseOct 17 16:42
Sosumiremember, if you have nothing to hide you also have nothing to fearOct 17 16:48
Sosumisheeple :(Oct 17 16:49
iophkhttp://chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127461/Oct 17 16:50
TechrightsBot-trCouldn't resolve host 'chronicle.com' ( status 0 @ http://chronicle.com/article/Why-Privacy-Matters-Even-if/127461/ )Oct 17 16:50
iophkhttp://www.infoworld.com/t/networking/your-next-network-operating-system-linux-228846Oct 17 17:02
TechrightsBot-trwww.infoworld.com | Your next network operating system is Linux | Networking - InfoWorld  [ http://ur1.ca/fwlvz ]Oct 17 17:02
iophkhttp://www.nanaimodailynews.com/business/former-nokia-ceo-ollila-concedes-mistakes-after-piloting-finnish-company-to-global-stature-1.662482Oct 17 17:52
iophkno comment there about the sell out to M$Oct 17 17:52
TechrightsBot-trwww.nanaimodailynews.com | Former Nokia CEO Ollila concedes mistakes after piloting  Finnish company to global stature - Business - Nanaimo Daily News  [ http://ur1.ca/fwm03 ]Oct 17 17:52
iophka bit of revisionism about Elop, claiming that he wasn't the trojan horse that he turned out to beOct 17 17:53
iophkThe summary misleads a little about the purchase which does not include the purchase of patents, only the lease of themOct 17 17:54
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Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/bittorrent-site-isohunt-will-shut-down-pay-mpaa-110-million/Oct 17 19:43
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | BitTorrent site IsoHunt will shut down, pay MPAA $110 million | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fwmdg ]Oct 17 19:43
Sosumi:(Oct 17 19:43
MinceR:(Oct 17 19:43
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sebsebsebhi ThistleWebOct 17 21:52
ThistleWebo/Oct 17 21:53
sebsebsebI am planning on doing a talkOct 17 21:54
sebsebsebat OGG Camp this weekend :)Oct 17 21:54
sebsebseb,but  still need to make some slides in that caseOct 17 21:54
sebsebsebI am thinking show them Mageia 2 with the control centre, on the other hand it's end of life in abut a month, but that first, then  got a intresetingfeature to show in the development version that looks like three as well since new artwork not implemented yetOct 17 21:55
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/390956393605656576 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/390956531501789184 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/390957245510721536Oct 17 22:49
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Ars Technica has its #Microsoft marketer Peter Bright paste an advert for #vista8 Rev 2 http://t.co/VlZ4sYNlEVOct 17 22:49
TechrightsBot-tr-> arstechnica.com | Windows 8.1: What a difference a year makes | Ars TechnicaOct 17 22:49
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Researchers challenge Apple's claim of 'unbreakable' iMessage encryption http://t.co/lqcsmn2zAP if it's Apple, it's insecureOct 17 22:49
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.macworld.com | Researchers challenge Apple's claim of unbreakable iMessage encryption | MacworldOct 17 22:49
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz: Your next network operating system is Linux http://t.co/Fu3TvDqczt #linuxOct 17 22:49
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3182109Oct 17 22:50
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Auditing #truecrypt would be like auditing #diebold machines. Can't if you don't see the source and control the build http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/new-effort-to-fully-audit-truecrypt-raises-over-16000-in-a-few-short-weeks/Oct 17 22:50
TechrightsBot-tr-> arstechnica.com | New effort to fully audit TrueCrypt raises $16,000+ in a few short weeks | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fwn20 ]Oct 17 22:50
schestowitz_bed2"Indeed. No such thing as an audit unless the binaries audited are the source audited, and audited publicly."Oct 17 22:50
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3182171Oct 17 22:51
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Cryptographer Adi Shamir Prevented from Attending NSA History ConferenceOct 17 22:51
TechrightsBot-tr-> blogs.fas.org | Cryptographer Adi Shamir Prevented from Attending NSA History Conference - Secrecy News  [ http://ur1.ca/fwn22 ]Oct 17 22:51
schestowitz_bed2"I could see video conferencing very beneficial in these kinds of situations."Oct 17 22:51
schestowitz_bed2"^ that is what I was thinking to myself the other day about free software in general how can you know if the compiled program actually is the same as the source (unless you compile it yourself ofc)"Oct 17 22:51
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DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 18 01:02
DaemonFCabout a minute ago · EditedOct 18 01:02
DaemonFCI told the guy at Pearson's about how hard it is to find a vehicle on Craiglist that isn't crap. I told him that one listing which really stuck in my mind was the one where a guy with a 2004 Cadillac with 175,000 miles on it wanted $8,000. So I e-mailed him and asked him why he wanted $8,000. He replied something to the effect of "The chameleon green metallic paint job cost me $6,000 and then there'Oct 18 01:02
DaemonFCs the chrome hood ornament of a naked woman.".Oct 18 01:02
DaemonFCGee, isn't that something all of us would be proud to own?Oct 18 01:02
DaemonFCEven if the paint job is good and the color isn't revolting (chameleon green?), you should never expect that it will make the resale value of the car equal to FMV + the entire cost of the paint job ($6,000? You can do showroom quality for about $3,500.). At most, you're looking at a $500-$800 addition to the FMV of the car. You should never do restoration work assuming that you'll come out ahead wheOct 18 01:02
DaemonFCn you go to sell it (at least until it's old enough to be considered a classic). You should do it because you like your car, and you want to be proud of what you have.Oct 18 01:02
DaemonFCRyan Farmer shared a link.Oct 18 01:22
DaemonFCa few seconds agoOct 18 01:22
DaemonFChttp://www.google.com/patents/US8254902Oct 18 01:22
DaemonFCApple patents a way for the police to turn off your cell phone camera while they beat you and your friends.Oct 18 01:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.google.com | Patent US8254902 - Apparatus and methods for enforcement of policies upon a wireless device - Google PatentsOct 18 01:22
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lirodonMicrosoft is using petty tactics to keep users in its secure boot trapOct 18 04:38
lirodonby branding the screens of people who dare disable secure boot on 8.1 http://t.co/X1upAPnc5VOct 18 04:40
TechrightsBot-tr@Nickedynick: Upgrade to Windows 8.1 today, and get a free (albeit hugely obnoxious) watermark on your desktop! http://t.co/X1upAPnc5VOct 18 04:40
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schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3183647Oct 18 08:19
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Empire Under Obama: Barack Obama's Global Terror Campaign http://truth-out.org/news/item/19466-empire-under-obama-barack-obamas-global-terror-campaign a war on terror can be terror sometimesOct 18 08:19
TechrightsBot-tr-> truth-out.org | Empire Under Obama: Barack Obama's Global Terror Campaign  [ http://ur1.ca/fwomi ]Oct 18 08:19
schestowitz_bed2http://diydrones.com/profiles/blogs/happy-droneoweenOct 18 08:19
TechrightsBot-trdiydrones.com | Happy Droneoween! - DIY Drones  [ http://ur1.ca/fwomj ]Oct 18 08:19
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3178982Oct 18 08:19
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA Has Spurred Renewed Interest In Thorough Security Audits Of Popular 'Secure' Software http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131015/10040524884/nsa-has-spurred-renewed-interest-thorough-security-audits-popular-secure-software.shtml #truecryptOct 18 08:19
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.techdirt.com | NSA Has Spurred Renewed Interest In Thorough Security Audits Of Popular 'Secure' Software | Techdirt  [ http://ur1.ca/fwfxb ]Oct 18 08:19
schestowitz_bed2"Divides we are helpless, Jesse. Community run distributions binaries are as good as we can get. No one has the time or ability to inspect everything, freedom must be a community effort. This is why software must have all four software freedoms."Oct 18 08:19
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3182109Oct 18 08:19
schestowitz_bed2"@Paul: You can't. See this short exchange on Bruce Schneider's blog."Oct 18 08:20
MinceRSchneierOct 18 08:59
MinceRgeekingsOct 18 09:05
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iophkhttps://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/10/nsa_harvesting.htmlOct 18 11:46
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iophkhttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/18/world/snowden-says-he-took-no-secret-files-to-russia.htmlOct 18 13:59
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XFaCEschestowitz: pharma patent extension in Canada as part of CETA: http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6975/125/Oct 18 16:06
TechrightsBot-trwww.michaelgeist.ca | Michael Geist - CETA Reached "In Principle", Part Four: Pharma Gets Patent Extension Despite Declining R&D in Canada  [ http://ur1.ca/fwpwu ]Oct 18 16:06
schestowitz_bed2thansOct 18 16:06
schestowitz_bed2tahnksOct 18 16:06
XFaCEnpOct 18 16:07
XFaCEschestowitz_bed2: other articles on the agreement: http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6972/125/ http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6973/125/ http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/6974/125/Oct 18 16:07
TechrightsBot-trwww.michaelgeist.ca | Michael Geist - Canada - EU Trade Agreement Reached "In Principle", Part One: Now Release the Text  [ http://ur1.ca/fwpwx ]Oct 18 16:07
TechrightsBot-trwww.michaelgeist.ca | Michael Geist - Canada - EU Trade Agreement Reached "In Principle", Part Two: The Intellectual Property Provisions  [ http://ur1.ca/fwpwy ]Oct 18 16:07
TechrightsBot-trwww.michaelgeist.ca | Michael Geist - CETA Reached "In Principle", Part Three: Meaningless Claims on Telecom & E-commerce  [ http://ur1.ca/fwpwz ]Oct 18 16:07
XFaCEschestowitz_bed2: and wouldn't you know, this was another opaque processOct 18 16:08
Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-17/janet-yellen-exposed-truth-behind-myth-0Oct 18 16:08
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | Janet Yellen Exposed - The Truth Behind The Myth | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/fwpx5 ]Oct 18 16:08
Sosumishe's Bilbo Bagins distant cousinOct 18 16:09
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lirodonso apparently Microsoft is now using a new method to shove secure boot down our throatsOct 18 16:29
lirodonanyone who upgrades to Windows 8.1 gets shamed by a desktop watermark if they have secure boot capable hardware (heck, some people who can't use it are getting it too) but have it disabledOct 18 16:31
MinceRindeedOct 18 16:33
MinceRa colleague got it tooOct 18 16:33
lirodonyeah, its not configured properly. They don't want you to run anything elseOct 18 16:34
XFaCEhttp://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/dn441535.aspxOct 18 16:38
TechrightsBot-trtechnet.microsoft.com | "Secure Boot isn't configured correctly" watermark on the desktop  [ http://ur1.ca/fwq0i ]Oct 18 16:38
XFaCEno way to turn it off officially eitherOct 18 16:38
XFaCEnot surprisedOct 18 16:38
MinceRoh, i know a wayOct 18 16:41
MinceRhttp://crunchbang.org/Oct 18 16:41
TechrightsBot-trcrunchbang.org | CrunchBang - a nimble Openbox Linux DistroOct 18 16:41
MinceR;)Oct 18 16:41
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SosumiM$ lolOct 18 16:49
MinceRhttp://blogs.hbr.org/2013/10/how-dilbert-practically-wrote-itself/Oct 18 16:52
TechrightsBot-trblogs.hbr.org | How "Dilbert" Practically Wrote Itself - Meghan Ennes - Harvard Business Review  [ http://ur1.ca/fwq22 ]Oct 18 16:52
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lirodonXFaCE: they're treating it like a "problem" to shamelessly tell people to turn it back onOct 18 17:01
XFaCElirodon: looks like a new build may fix this "bug"Oct 18 17:01
lirodonXFaCE: I heard the GA Rollup was supposed to fix itOct 18 17:01
lirodonPersonally, if I wanted to treat that as a problem, I'd put it as an Action Center notificationOct 18 17:02
lirodoni.e. "Your computer supports UEFI secure boot, but it is not enabled. Enable it in your UEFI firmware settings to improve system security // Turn off messages about secure boot"Oct 18 17:02
MinceRit's a problem for themOct 18 17:04
MinceRyour pc isn't locked into their crapOct 18 17:04
lirodon8.1 also tries to force you into using a Microsoft Account sign-in by using disturbing dark patternsOct 18 18:14
lirodonand sends all search data to Bing regardless of typeOct 18 18:14
Sosumiall of them?Oct 18 18:27
Sosuminot even crApple does that with SpotlightOct 18 18:28
lirodonhttp://www.computerworld.com/s/article/9241524/Steven_J._Vaughan_Nichols_Microsoft_Bing_bang_bungles_local_search?ref=1Oct 18 19:08
TechrightsBot-trwww.computerworld.com | Steven J. Vaughan-Nichols: Microsoft Bing-bang-bungles local search - Computerworld  [ http://ur1.ca/fwqd9 ]Oct 18 19:08
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3183656Oct 18 19:58
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ars Technica has its #Microsoft marketer Peter Bright paste an advert for #vista8 Rev 2 http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/windows-8-1-what-a-difference-a-year-makes/Oct 18 19:58
TechrightsBot-tr-> arstechnica.com | Windows 8.1: What a difference a year makes | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fwljn ]Oct 18 19:59
schestowitz_bed2"Microsoft hates everyone."Oct 18 19:59
schestowitz_bed2"Lol yes .... M$ only love $ ^^ Well there is a stupid but funny translation (as a joke) of "Windows from Microsoft by Bill Gates" in french : "Fenêtres de Minidou(x) par Guillaume Portail" And Minidou (without 'x') in France is minidou washing liquid"Oct 18 19:59
schestowitz_bed2"They hate themselves too. Everyone is a pawn to Bill Gates. One of the co founders left when he overheard Gates and another founder conspiring to rob his family if he died."Oct 18 20:00
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3185564Oct 18 20:05
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When Progress is OutlawedOct 18 20:05
TechrightsBot-tr-> techrights.org | When Progress is Outlawed | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fwqji ]Oct 18 20:05
schestowitz_bed2"I think things are so shrill because the usual method of control by jailing and economically ruining people has run into a fundamental limit. Information is spreading faster than the rich and powerful can eliminate people. There's some hope in that."Oct 18 20:05
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3184734Oct 18 20:06
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: SparkFun Ponders Women in STEM Fields http://hackaday.com/2013/10/17/sparkfun-ponders-women-in-stem-fields/ anomaly not found much in the EastOct 18 20:06
TechrightsBot-tr-> hackaday.com | SparkFun Ponders Women in STEM Fields  [ http://ur1.ca/fwqjk ]Oct 18 20:06
schestowitz_bed2"There was an interesting interview on NPR the other day about the dismal overall job market in the US. There are about 400,000 STEM graduates each year for about 200,000 new jobs. A country that has offshored most of it's manufacturing hasThere was an interesting interview on NPR the other day about the dismal overall job market in the US. There are about 400,000 STEM graduates each year for about 200,000 new jobs. A country thatOct 18 20:06
schestowitz_bed2has offshored most of it's manufacturing has little need for scientists and engineers. I wonder how many of the remaining jobs are weapons related." little need for scientists and engineers. I wonder how many of the remaining jobs are weapons related.Oct 18 20:06
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 18 20:11
schestowitz_bed2> Hi Roy,Oct 18 20:11
schestowitz_bed2> Oct 18 20:11
schestowitz_bed2> CMSWire is assembling a discussion point article that tackles theOct 18 20:11
schestowitz_bed2> question: /Will the decision by W3C to include encrypted mediaOct 18 20:11
schestowitz_bed2> extensions <http://www.w3.org/TR/encrypted-media/> into the HTML5.1Oct 18 20:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.w3.org | Encrypted Media ExtensionsOct 18 20:11
schestowitz_bed2> standard have a positive or negative effect on web experiences?/Oct 18 20:11
schestowitz_bed2> /Oct 18 20:11
schestowitz_bed2> /Oct 18 20:11
schestowitz_bed2> Below is a previous Discussion Point for reference:Oct 18 20:11
schestowitz_bed2> /Oct 18 20:11
schestowitz_bed2> /Oct 18 20:11
schestowitz_bed2> Discussion Point: Records Management Influenced by Cloud, CollaborationOct 18 20:11
schestowitz_bed2> TechnologiesOct 18 20:11
schestowitz_bed2> <http://www.cmswire.com/cms/information-management/discussion-point-records-management-influenced-by-cloud-collaboration-technologies-021518.php>/Oct 18 20:11
schestowitz_bed2> /Oct 18 20:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.cmswire.com | Discussion Point: Records Management Influenced by Cloud, Collaboration Technologies  [ http://ur1.ca/fwqky ]Oct 18 20:11
schestowitz_bed2> Oct 18 20:11
schestowitz_bed2> Would you be interested in providing your thoughts on this question? TheOct 18 20:11
schestowitz_bed2> response should be roughly 3-4 paragraphs. We will be including a shortOct 18 20:11
schestowitz_bed2> bio and photo in the article.Oct 18 20:11
schestowitz_bed2> Oct 18 20:12
schestowitz_bed2> Please let me know if you would like to contribute. We'd like to haveOct 18 20:12
schestowitz_bed2> responses in by October 22nd.Oct 18 20:12
schestowitz_bed2I would be happy to write a piece if it's guaranteed publication.Oct 18 20:12
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 18 20:12
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Sosumiso since M$ is collecting info on everyone for advertising starting vista 8.1Oct 18 20:30
Sosumithat means vista 8.1 is free?Oct 18 20:30
Sosumijust like the ObamaPhoneOct 18 20:30
SosumiM$ is like meth, not even onceOct 18 20:31
MinceRno, it would be too expensive even if it was gratisOct 18 20:32
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Sosumiso I guess I'll no longer be able to use global search to find the F35 drawingsOct 18 20:51
Sosumior the F22 flight manualsOct 18 20:51
Sosumino my improvised explovives and gerrilla warfare manualsOct 18 20:51
Sosumi:)Oct 18 20:51
Sosumior I'll get someone knocking at my doorOct 18 20:52
MinceRplus it's unlikely to work reliably anywayOct 18 20:55
Sosumiwho knows :)Oct 18 21:03
Sosumibut for certain, I don't want to test itOct 18 21:03
JimmyCartersome people like word excel and paintOct 18 21:04
Sosumiand IEOct 18 21:04
JimmyCartermostly just poor indoctrinated old dogsOct 18 21:04
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MinceRsome people are idiotsOct 18 21:09
MinceRalso, even excel got much worse latelyOct 18 21:09
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Sosumiyou mean this excel?Oct 18 21:10
Sosumihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L1Hdp3hRLCQOct 18 21:10
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Excel Saga Complete Opening - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fwqr5 ]Oct 18 21:10
SosumiI think it's awesomeOct 18 21:10
MinceRno, not that excelOct 18 21:12
Sosumi:)Oct 18 21:12
MinceRi meant the one that pretends to be a spreadsheet applicationOct 18 21:12
Sosumiit's much worse than it was before the amount of space the menus take vs the spreadsheet itselfOct 18 21:14
MinceRindeedOct 18 21:14
Sosumi*becauseOct 18 21:14
MinceRthe amounts of clicks necessary for an action also increasedOct 18 21:14
SosumiyesOct 18 21:14
MinceRthe organization of the ribbon is an illogical messOct 18 21:14
MinceRthe file format kept the problems of the old one and added a slew of new problemsOct 18 21:14
MinceRand the whole thing is even slower than it wasOct 18 21:14
MinceR(and they know it, since they've added another splash screen)Oct 18 21:15
Sosumiall that because of m$ wanting to make something touch/stylus friendlyOct 18 21:15
MinceRnopeOct 18 21:15
MinceRall that because m$ wants to get people used to a ui they own patents onOct 18 21:15
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MinceR(even though they didn't even invent it in the first place)Oct 18 21:15
Sosumiwell that I didn't knowOct 18 21:15
Sosumibut from my perspectibe ribbon only seems to work well on a tablet like surfaceOct 18 21:16
Sosumion the desktop it's plain badOct 18 21:16
Sosumiand even mathworks moved to itOct 18 21:16
SosumishamefullyOct 18 21:16
MinceRi don't see how it could work wellOct 18 21:16
MinceRyou still click on a top level menu item-sized (and shaped) item and then a buttonOct 18 21:17
MinceRand the buttons vary wildly in size and shapeOct 18 21:17
MinceRand some buttons pop up a menuOct 18 21:17
SosumiI just said that from the pictures I saw from the thingOct 18 21:17
MinceRicOct 18 21:17
Sosuminever used it nor I intend toOct 18 21:17
MinceRand they _know_ it sucks, as they've tried to compensate for it with an idiotic context-sensitive popup toolbarOct 18 21:18
MinceR(which mainly just manages to get in the way and fade in and out randomly)Oct 18 21:18
Sosumiit hides?Oct 18 21:18
MinceRsometimes it doesOct 18 21:18
SosumilulzOct 18 21:19
MinceRi think it depends on where the pointer isOct 18 21:19
MinceR(which of course wouldn't work on a tablet)Oct 18 21:19
Sosumiwhat is shamefull is that now you can't even expect privacy on what you do inside your machineOct 18 21:22
Sosumiubuntu started, now M$ is doingOct 18 21:23
Sosumiit tooOct 18 21:25
Sosumigoogle also does it on androidOct 18 21:25
MinceRhow?Oct 18 21:25
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Sosumiarticle said searches on android are sent to googleOct 18 21:26
MinceRusing the search widget?Oct 18 21:27
Sosumithink sopOct 18 21:32
Sosumialso, doesn't all website data get sent to google if you use chrome?Oct 18 21:34
MinceRi don't knowOct 18 21:36
MinceRi don't use chromeOct 18 21:36
Sosumithat was from what I readOct 18 21:37
Sosumiand ye I don't use chrome eitherOct 18 21:37
Sosumibut it only makes sense for google to do so since they're basically an advertising companyOct 18 21:48
Sosumi*thatOct 18 21:49
Sosumi"I'm not saying that this type of functionality is unprecedented. Google has long incorporated that kind of capability in Android and Google Instant search."Oct 18 21:49
Sosumithat's quoting the articleOct 18 21:50
Sosumihttp://android.stackexchange.com/questions/43361/what-information-does-stock-android-send-to-google-by-default-and-how-do-i-optOct 18 21:50
TechrightsBot-trandroid.stackexchange.com | privacy - What information does stock Android send to Google by default, and how do I opt-out? - Android Enthusiasts Stack Exchange  [ http://ur1.ca/fwqu1 ]Oct 18 21:50
MinceRicOct 18 21:50
Sosumiandroid is no better than the othersOct 18 21:52
Sosumiin the end it's like comparing poopOct 18 21:52
Sosumisaying that this one smells less bad than the otherOct 18 21:52
MinceRonly from a privacy standpointOct 18 21:52
Sosumiyep, but privacy is importantOct 18 21:53
MinceRindeedOct 18 21:53
MinceRbut that doesn't make a choice of mobile os meaninglessOct 18 21:54
Sosumiyou don't want all your private life to be open to whomever wants to buy it nor open for the intelligence agencies to profile youOct 18 21:54
Sosuminop, because android you can actually strip down the entire thingOct 18 21:55
Sosumion the others you can'tOct 18 21:55
Sosumiand on the case of the android forks for exampleOct 18 21:58
Sosumiyou don't know what aditional code samsung or any other company put in thereOct 18 21:58
Sosumithat is why I say, for getting a phoneOct 18 21:59
Sosumibetter get a nexusOct 18 21:59
Sosumibecause the thing comes with the bootloader unlockedOct 18 21:59
Sosumiso you don't lose the warranty in case things go badOct 18 21:59
MinceRmy problem with nexii is that they don't have a memory card slotOct 18 21:59
MinceRso if the phone breaks, all my data on it becomes inaccessibleOct 18 21:59
Sosumiyeah, it's badOct 18 21:59
MinceRotherwise i could just take the card out and keep using itOct 18 21:59
SosumiI have the issueOct 18 22:00
Sosumi*sameOct 18 22:00
MinceRi guess daily backup to one's own storage device (not someone else's cloud) is the next best thingOct 18 22:00
DaemonFChttp://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2013/10/toyota-is-recalling-more-than-800-000-cars-because-of-spiders/280694/Oct 18 22:00
TechrightsBot-trwww.theatlantic.com | Toyota Is Recalling More Than 800,000 Cars Because of Spiders - Megan Garber - The Atlantic  [ http://ur1.ca/fwquo ]Oct 18 22:00
DaemonFCSpiders are causing the airbags to deploy.Oct 18 22:01
MinceR:DOct 18 22:01
MinceRinvasion of the airbag-deploying spidersOct 18 22:02
SosumihilariousOct 18 22:02
DaemonFCMinceR, They also turn on the warning lights.Oct 18 22:06
DaemonFCUnfortunately, Toyota didn't equip their vehicles with a spider warning light.Oct 18 22:06
MinceRneither did anyone elseOct 18 22:06
DaemonFCSpiders don't deploy the airbags in a Ford.Oct 18 22:06
MinceRit wouldn't do anything anyway, as it's Found On Road Dead :>Oct 18 22:07
SosumilolOct 18 22:07
Sosumibut you see TOYota is toy car manufaturerOct 18 22:08
Sosumi*aOct 18 22:08
SosumiI haven't seen any european car commpanies doing racals for things like thatOct 18 22:08
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MinceRand here i was worrying about spiders climbing into the vents and fans of my laptopsOct 18 22:11
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Sosuminot that many spiders here, but, laptop fans tend to clog quicklyOct 18 22:15
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DaemonFCYeah, I had a guy in a Honda jump out in front of me earlier.Oct 18 22:37
DaemonFCA real car does not make a buzzing noise like that.Oct 18 22:37
DaemonFCThose things are annoying. You just want to drive right over them.Oct 18 22:38
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MinceRwhat buzzing noise? electric motor?Oct 18 22:41
DaemonFCNoOct 18 22:41
DaemonFCHe had a mid-90s Honda Oct 18 22:41
DaemonFCan Accord I thinkOct 18 22:42
MinceRthen the sound of a gas-non-guzzling engine?Oct 18 22:44
DaemonFCRyan Farmer shared a link.Oct 18 22:59
DaemonFC14 seconds agoOct 18 22:59
DaemonFChttp://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/human_genome/2013/10/analyze_your_child_s_dna_which_grandparents_are_most_genetically_related.htmlOct 18 22:59
DaemonFCWell, I haven't thrown a cheeseburger and a diet Coke at anyone lately, so it must not be my maternal grandmother. :)Oct 18 22:59
TechrightsBot-trwww.slate.com | Analyze your child’s DNA: Which grandparents are most genetically related?  [ http://ur1.ca/fwr05 ]Oct 18 22:59
DaemonFCMinceR, My engine is pretty quiet really.Oct 18 22:59
DaemonFCWhen I'm stopped, you can't even tell the engine is running.Oct 18 22:59
DaemonFCHonda's are really not as reliable as people like to claim they are.Oct 18 23:00
DaemonFCLike any other car, some are well-built, and some come from the factory as junk that keeps breaking down.Oct 18 23:00
DaemonFCSome have owners that invest in maintaining them, some have owners that don't even change the oil.Oct 18 23:00
DaemonFCThis myth that they're all reliable and well built has the resale value all jacked up, even for ones that are in a horrible state of disrepair.Oct 18 23:01
MinceRuh huhOct 18 23:01
DaemonFCThe first thing I did when I got my crown vic was take it to the shop and have them change all the fluids and filters, and swap out the spark plugs and wires.Oct 18 23:02
DaemonFCPut a little money in maintaining it, and it will save you from major repair work later.Oct 18 23:02
DaemonFCMy aunt (the one that died in August) had a Honda Prelude that she had all kinds of problems with.Oct 18 23:03
DaemonFCThe transmission even went out and had to be rebuilt.Oct 18 23:03
DaemonFCThe car only had 60,000 miles on it when that happened.Oct 18 23:03
DaemonFCShe sold it to my uncle. He put thousands of dollars into trying to fix it up into some kind of decent reliable car.Oct 18 23:04
DaemonFCHe eventually gave up and it started a huge fight between them before she eventually bought it back so there's be peace again.Oct 18 23:04
DaemonFCand it's been sitting out beside my grandmother's house rotting away for about the last 10 years.Oct 18 23:04
DaemonFCRight now he's driving a Buick Century that my grandmother gave him.Oct 18 23:05
DaemonFCI know it had over 200,000 miles on it the last time he was up here.Oct 18 23:05
DaemonFCHonda has their fair share of lemons.Oct 18 23:05
DaemonFCAnd anyone that says they don't is putting forth anecdotal evidence.Oct 18 23:06
DaemonFCWhen you look at Edmunds.com or other sites that tell you what tends to go wrong with a certain make/model/year of vehicle, you see that Hondas have expensive problems and fixing them is almost always going to cost you more than the same part on a Ford.Oct 18 23:07
DaemonFCMy neighbor has a Toyota Camry. She had a side impact in Walmart's parking lot the other day.Oct 18 23:08
DaemonFCa 10 mile an hour hit left a dent the size of a grapefruit.Oct 18 23:09
MinceRshouldn't be a surprise that fixing a more expensive car is more expensiveOct 18 23:12
MinceRand yes, camrys aren't APCs :>Oct 18 23:13
MinceRalso, was that dent in the passenger cell?Oct 18 23:13
DaemonFCThe rear of the driver side quarter panel.Oct 18 23:14
DaemonFCLooks terrible.Oct 18 23:14
MinceRwhat's a quarter panel?Oct 18 23:15
DaemonFChttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quarter_panelOct 18 23:15
TechrightsBot-tren.wikipedia.org | Quarter panel - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia  [ http://ur1.ca/fwr2g ]Oct 18 23:15
MinceRicOct 18 23:16
MinceRno surprise, thenOct 18 23:16
DaemonFCMine has some dings and scratches, but it's not all that bad.Oct 18 23:16
MinceRin modern cars, everything outside the passenger cell is supposed to deform and expend the energy of the collisionsOct 18 23:16
DaemonFCNext year, I'm going to have them pull and fill the dents and repaint the entire car.Oct 18 23:16
MinceRso that the passengers aren't crushed or flung against the carOct 18 23:16
DaemonFCYeah, well, I think my car is alot safer than her's.Oct 18 23:17
DaemonFCJust because it's a big solid car.Oct 18 23:17
MinceRsure, but just because the car stays intact doesn't mean you will too :>Oct 18 23:17
DaemonFCThose little economy cars might get a five star rating, but that's a five star rating for their "class".Oct 18 23:17
MinceRor more accurately, just because certain parts of the car stay intact doesn't mean you will tooOct 18 23:17
DaemonFCIt doesn't mean you'll be as safe as you would be in a larger car.Oct 18 23:17
MinceRyeah, large cars still have an advantageOct 18 23:18
MinceRi don't know how exactly this combines with issues in absorbing energy, thoughOct 18 23:18
MinceRor, say, if the drive wheel shaft stays intact and skewers the driver :>Oct 18 23:18
DaemonFChttp://www.edmunds.com/honda/accord/1998/reliability.html?style=14475Oct 18 23:19
TechrightsBot-trwww.edmunds.com | 1998 Honda Accord DX  2.3L 4-cyl. 5-speed Manual Reliability  [ http://ur1.ca/fwr3f ]Oct 18 23:19
DaemonFC An occasional problem on this vehicle is failure of the Automatic Transmission.Oct 18 23:19
DaemonFCThe cost to repair the Automatic Transmission is estimated at $3000.00 for a remanufactured Automatic Transmission and $429.00 for labor. Oct 18 23:19
DaemonFCB-)Oct 18 23:19
DaemonFCIn other words, if the transmission goes out, you should junk it and look for another car.Oct 18 23:20
DaemonFChttp://www.edmunds.com/honda/accord/1999/reliability.html?style=11976Oct 18 23:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.edmunds.com | 1999 Honda Accord DX  2.3L 4-cyl. 5-speed Manual Reliability  [ http://ur1.ca/fwr3t ]Oct 18 23:21
DaemonFChttp://www.edmunds.com/honda/accord/2000/reliability.html?style=2321Oct 18 23:21
TechrightsBot-trwww.edmunds.com | 2000 Honda Accord DX  2.3L 4-cyl. 5-speed Manual Reliability  [ http://ur1.ca/fwr3y ]Oct 18 23:21
DaemonFCSo they're a ticking timebomb.Oct 18 23:21
DaemonFCYou can get a pretty good idea of what shape the transmission is in by looking at the color of the automatic transmission fluid, and smelling it.Oct 18 23:22
DaemonFCIf it is brown or black or smells burned, you don't want the car.Oct 18 23:22
DaemonFCand of course, you're going to want to get it up to highway speeds and make sure it doesn't have any problem shifting through each gear.Oct 18 23:23
DaemonFCAlot of Pontiacs seem to develop a problem with shifting between second and third gear.Oct 18 23:23
DaemonFCI experienced that on several of their vans that I drove.Oct 18 23:23
DaemonFCAccording to Autowyse, if my car needed a transmission rebuild, I'd be looking at $900-$1,500, depending on what parts I wanted and where the work was done.Oct 18 23:25
DaemonFCI'd bet that Daniels could bring it in at around $1,000.Oct 18 23:25
DaemonFCIf I was starting out with a brand new car, I'd just get the transmission drained and filled like Ford says to do every 30,000 miles.Oct 18 23:27
DaemonFCAlot of people don't do that, so you have to get it power flushed and have the pan gasket and filter changed as soon as you buy it, to catch up.Oct 18 23:27
DaemonFCI use NAPA ATF fluid. It's just rebranded Valvoline.Oct 18 23:28
DaemonFCNAPA has decent parts. I wouldn't go to Auto Zone for anything other than maybe windshield wipers or something.Oct 18 23:28
DaemonFCMinceR, What's funny is that alot of these people go to Jiffy Lube and tell them to flush the transmission.Oct 18 23:29
DaemonFCand that's not the same as going to a dealer or most independent garagesOct 18 23:30
DaemonFCJiffy Lube hooks up a machine to the transmission's cooler line and flushes it through that.Oct 18 23:30
DaemonFCThey don't drop and clean the pan, or replace the pan gasket and filter.Oct 18 23:30
DaemonFCSo it's not uncommon for the transmission to fail soon after you have them do that.Oct 18 23:31
DaemonFCIt will loosen up some "gunk" in the system, that proceeds to clog the filter, and then the transmission fails because the fluid can't circulate.Oct 18 23:31
DaemonFCI trust Jiffy Lube with my car even less than I'd trust Walmart with my car.Oct 18 23:32
DaemonFC:)Oct 18 23:32
DaemonFCIf anything, Walmart has gotten so afraid of lawsuits, that they're really careful about what they let their bay technicians do now.Oct 18 23:32
DaemonFCIt's pretty much just oil, batteries, and tires now.Oct 18 23:32
DaemonFCThey used to do more.Oct 18 23:32
MinceRi've never trusted either of thoseOct 18 23:32
DaemonFCMinceR, Next time I need tires, I'm going to Daniels.Oct 18 23:33
MinceRwith my car, that isOct 18 23:33
DaemonFCThey are about $10 more per tire, but they have $50-$75 rebates all the time.Oct 18 23:33
DaemonFCand they throw in a free four wheel alignmentOct 18 23:33
DaemonFCThose usually cost $60-80 by themselves, depending on where you go.Oct 18 23:33
DaemonFCLots of undercover news channel investigations at Jiffy Lube revealed that they don't even do the transmission flush or change your oil filter most of the time.Oct 18 23:35
DaemonFCThey just bill you for it.Oct 18 23:35
DaemonFCIt's pretty easy to figure out whether they changed the oil filter.Oct 18 23:35
DaemonFCTake a sharpie marker and draw a line all the way around the old filter.Oct 18 23:35
DaemonFCIF the line is still on it when you come back, they didn't change it.Oct 18 23:36
DaemonFCThere was one Jiffy Lube I used to go to alot, but it was just because there was this big glass window that let you look out into the service bay.Oct 18 23:37
DaemonFCSo I could watch them drain the oil, change the filter, and pour the correct amount of oil in.Oct 18 23:37
DaemonFCMost of them aren't like that though. The one down in Marion is.Oct 18 23:37
DaemonFCWhen I lived in Muncie, I always took the car to Big-O Tires, because they always had a coupon for $14.99 oil changes.Oct 18 23:38
DaemonFC:POct 18 23:38
DaemonFCbut that was a long time ago.Oct 18 23:38
DaemonFCYou never see them cheaper than $23 now.Oct 18 23:38
DaemonFCThose shops don't make much money off of oil changes. The purpose of the cheap oil change is to get you in there so they can do a once over on your car and recommend other repairs.Oct 18 23:39
DaemonFCYou really can go there and get the oil change and just ignore them though. :)Oct 18 23:39
DaemonFCWith batteries, I go by age, not what the meter says.Oct 18 23:41
DaemonFCI've made that mistake before. The meter says it's good and then two weeks later, the car doesn't start.Oct 18 23:41
DaemonFCIf the guarantee is 3 years, change it after 3 years.Oct 18 23:41
DaemonFCBut the 5 year ones aren't much more expensive, so I get those.Oct 18 23:42
DaemonFChmmm, that's nice...Oct 18 23:52
DaemonFCAmazon had the air filter I wanted for $5.77 with a $2 MIR.Oct 18 23:53
DaemonFCAuto Zone had it for $7.99.Oct 18 23:53
*DaemonFC is a smart consumer that saved $2.Oct 18 23:53
DaemonFCB-)Oct 18 23:53
DaemonFChttp://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2149799Oct 19 00:02
TechrightsBot-trforums.anandtech.com | Air Filter Brand Make a Difference?? - AnandTech Forums  [ http://ur1.ca/fwrbw ]Oct 19 00:02
DaemonFCYes it does actually.Oct 19 00:02
DaemonFCAC DELCO and FRAM are both fine, but some people spend lots of money for a "permanent washable" K&N filter that lets all kinds of shit into the engine.Oct 19 00:02
DaemonFCand the "oiling" they require for the cleaning procedure tends to get into the MAF sensor, and that's going to cost $150.Oct 19 00:02
DaemonFCSo if you want to save money and your engine, you use the pleated paper filters and just check to see if they're dirty about once a year.Oct 19 00:04
DaemonFCIf it is, throw it away and buy a new one.Oct 19 00:04
DaemonFCI saw someone with an old beat up Honda with a lot of rust on it, that had spent over $100 putting a K&N cold air intake on their car.Oct 19 00:05
DaemonFC:)Oct 19 00:05
DaemonFCCraigslist, naturally.Oct 19 00:05
DaemonFChttp://www.f150online.com/forums/v8-engines/293233-why-motorcraft-air-filters-so-expensive.htmlOct 19 00:09
TechrightsBot-trwww.f150online.com | Why are MotorCraft Air Filters So Expensive? - F150online Forums  [ http://ur1.ca/fwrcw ]Oct 19 00:09
DaemonFC"any part you get at a dealer is way overpriced"Oct 19 00:09
DaemonFCnot always, just usually.Oct 19 00:09
DaemonFCAuto Zone had aftermarket keychain remotes that would work with my car for $49.99, but the Ford dealer had the OEM part for $56.Oct 19 00:10
DaemonFC$40 for a replacement air filter from a dealer is a bit much :)Oct 19 00:10
DaemonFCI've never used Motorcraft brand anything.Oct 19 00:12
DaemonFCFord recommends it, but it's not like you have to use it.Oct 19 00:12
DaemonFCOf course they recommend it, it's their brand. :)Oct 19 00:12
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DaemonFCI do use FRAM air filters, but not oil or fuel filters.Oct 19 00:15
DaemonFCI use NAPA oil and fuel filters, because that's where Daniels Automotive gets their parts.Oct 19 00:15
DaemonFCFRAM oil filters are not well made.Oct 19 00:15
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XRRgw4B7R-IOct 19 00:16
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | ( WARNING ) For You Fram Oil Filter Lover's.YouTube - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fwrdw ]Oct 19 00:16
DaemonFCThey're what Walmart uses.Oct 19 00:17
DaemonFCWalmart is just the wrong place to take your car to.Oct 19 00:18
DaemonFCI keep telling Dave that.Oct 19 00:18
DaemonFCHe asked me to take his '89 Buick Park Avenue to Walmart to get them to patch a tire for him.Oct 19 00:18
DaemonFCThey called me back to the TLE five minutes later because they couldn't figure out how to get the hubcaps off.Oct 19 00:18
DaemonFCI ended up going to Daniels and asking them to patch it. They didn't even charge me anything. They said that I've been such a good customer, that I didn't even need to worry about it.Oct 19 00:19
DaemonFCNow that's service.Oct 19 00:19
DaemonFCTaking your car to the dealer for anything that's not covered under the warranty or a recall is just stupid.Oct 19 00:20
DaemonFCbut don't take it to Walmart either.Oct 19 00:20
DaemonFCFind a local independent that you can trust.Oct 19 00:20
DaemonFCFRAM oil filters are OK if you like lubricating your engine with metal shavings.Oct 19 00:24
DaemonFCRyan Farmer shared a link.Oct 19 00:26
DaemonFC3 hours agoOct 19 00:26
DaemonFCVista 8.1 punishes users for turning off Restricted Boot.Oct 19 00:26
DaemonFChttp://forums.mydigitallife.info/threads/47485-quot-Secureboot-isn-t-configured-correctly-quot-Watermark-Windows-8-1-Core-activatedOct 19 00:26
DaemonFC"Secure" Boot is designed to make sure that the computer can only run Windows. Right now you can turn it off, but in the future, that might not be possible.Oct 19 00:26
TechrightsBot-trforums.mydigitallife.info | "Secureboot isn't configured correctly" Watermark. Windows 8.1 Core activated.  [ http://ur1.ca/fwrf3 ]Oct 19 00:26
DaemonFCI wouldn't want a PC that can only run Windows. If that happened, I'd quit using a PC.Oct 19 00:26
MinceRit wouldn't even be a pcOct 19 00:26
MinceRit would be a windows applianceOct 19 00:26
MinceRor a windows computerOct 19 00:27
MinceRbut not a pcOct 19 00:27
MinceRgnOct 19 00:27
DaemonFCyan Farmer shared a link via Slashdot.org.Oct 19 00:28
DaemonFC6 hours agoOct 19 00:28
DaemonFCDid someone say "Body Thetans"?Oct 19 00:28
DaemonFChttp://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/10/18/031208/scientologys-fraud-conviction-upheld-in-france?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=facebookOct 19 00:28
TechrightsBot-tryro.slashdot.org | Scientology's Fraud Conviction Upheld In France - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/fwrfh ]Oct 19 00:28
DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 19 00:38
DaemonFCToyota. Moving forward, uncontrollably, with airbag-deploying spiders. Hahahaha!Oct 19 00:38
DaemonFCBuy a Ford.Oct 19 00:38
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnZH26BWtYE&list=TLjTrlTU6pKBN2hlu0988zUllA5VC3OjgYOct 19 01:08
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | My 1995 Buick Century few month after maaco paint job - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fwris ]Oct 19 01:08
DaemonFCThat actually looks pretty good.Oct 19 01:08
DaemonFCI've been thinking about paying MAACO to sand down my car and fill in some dents, then prime, paint, and clearcoat it.Oct 19 01:09
DaemonFCNot sure what color I want, but it'll be a while before I have the money anyway.Oct 19 01:09
DaemonFCSo I have some time to think.Oct 19 01:09
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DaemonFCMinceR, I was thinking about having them paint it black.Oct 19 01:13
DaemonFCThe same color that the undercover police use.Oct 19 01:13
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p-KaVmjGePkOct 19 01:14
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Undercover 2010 Ford Crown Vic [EVI built] - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fwrix ]Oct 19 01:14
DaemonFCillegal to get the flashers, but not the paint job.Oct 19 01:14
DaemonFCmight have them tint the windows Oct 19 01:14
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yt_UML9I4MEOct 19 01:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | 2006 Ford Crown Victoria Police Interceptor - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fwrjg ]Oct 19 01:20
DaemonFCI want one of those touchscreen systems installed.Oct 19 01:20
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DaemonFChttps://fbcdn-sphotos-b-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/p480x480/1377082_10151631603521179_1286768339_n.jpgOct 19 01:45
DaemonFCMinceR will like that.Oct 19 01:45
DaemonFChttp://www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/10/18/furloughed-government-workers-could-be-paid-twice-in-oregon/Oct 19 02:33
TechrightsBot-trwww.foxnews.com | Furloughed government workers could be paid twice in Oregon | Fox News  [ http://ur1.ca/fwrok ]Oct 19 02:33
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DaemonFChttp://www.carrentingreviews.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/2013-Ford-Edge-Limited-AWD-Deep-Impact-Blue-Metallic_rear.jpgOct 19 02:51
DaemonFCDeep Impact Blue Metallic.Oct 19 02:51
DaemonFCI think I found the color I want them to repaint my Crown Vic.Oct 19 02:52
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DaemonFCRyan Farmer shared Daily Kos's photo.Oct 19 03:09
DaemonFC8 seconds agoOct 19 03:09
DaemonFCGood, Good, Good, Good, Excellent, Eww, Good, Eww, Eww, Eww.Oct 19 03:09
DaemonFCDon't be "that guy" that passes out candy corns. NOBODY likes candy corns. :)Oct 19 03:09
DaemonFChttps://fbcdn-sphotos-d-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/p480x480/1391623_10151921838384255_649165609_n.pngOct 19 03:09
DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 19 03:10
DaemonFC2 seconds agoOct 19 03:10
DaemonFC"Well they can't all be winners can they?" -Billy Bob Thornton as Bad Santa on candy corns.Oct 19 03:10
JimmyCarteri like candy cornOct 19 03:12
JimmyCarterwish i had someOct 19 03:12
DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 19 03:12
DaemonFC2 seconds agoOct 19 03:12
DaemonFCYou are stranded on a desert island. Your only provisions are candy corns and dog food.Oct 19 03:12
DaemonFC$> Eat dog food.Oct 19 03:12
DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 19 03:15
DaemonFC2 seconds agoOct 19 03:15
DaemonFC$> Go north.Oct 19 03:15
DaemonFCYou stumble upon a grue.Oct 19 03:15
DaemonFC$> Feed candy corns to grue.Oct 19 03:15
DaemonFCThe grue takes 1000 HP damage and dies.Oct 19 03:15
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MinceRbuy a ford, then you won't be moving forward, backward, or anywhereOct 19 07:26
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iophkhttp://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/1295Oct 19 08:11
TechrightsBot-trwww.markshuttleworth.com | Mark Shuttleworth  » Blog Archive   » Quantal, raring, saucy…Oct 19 08:11
iophk"Mir is really important work. When lots of competitors attack a project on purely political grounds..."Oct 19 08:12
iophkThere are a lot of reasons for and against mir, but dismissing the criticism as political is to dodge them and ultimately make the project worse off than if they had been adressed.Oct 19 08:14
JimmyCarterdidnt Mir crash alreadyOct 19 08:14
JimmyCarteror completely burnup on reentryOct 19 08:14
iophkhttps://www.google.com/images?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=mir+reentry&oe=utf-8&hl=enOct 19 08:15
TechrightsBot-trwww.google.com | mir reentry - Google Search  [ http://ur1.ca/fwsla ]Oct 19 08:15
iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/10/18/more-fud-bites-the-dust/Oct 19 08:19
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | More FUD Bites The Dust  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/fwsln ]Oct 19 08:19
MinceR:)Oct 19 08:20
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iophkhttp://www.businessweek.com/articles/2013-10-18/a-federal-it-contractor-makes-the-case-against-open-source-obamacareOct 19 09:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.businessweek.com | A Federal IT Contractor Makes the Case Against Open-Source Obamacare - Businessweek  [ http://ur1.ca/fwsu9 ]Oct 19 09:54
iophk"he questions the relationship between opening the code and improving the quality"Oct 19 09:54
iophkfree/libre open source is also a development model.Oct 19 09:55
oiaohmiophk: open source is a segement of a development model.Oct 19 10:00
oiaohmiophk: projects like wine are able to develop at insane rates due to huge test suites.Oct 19 10:00
oiaohmiophk: it is a bit hard to audit a program for quality if you don't have access to the source code.Oct 19 10:02
iophkI have run into proponents of black box auditing, they claimed with a straight face that it helped security and reliabilityOct 19 10:03
iophkClosed, proprietary systems have no business in publicly funded projects.Oct 19 10:03
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Sosumimark shuttleworm...Oct 19 11:44
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iophk"As the user types a search query in the Dash, the partial query is transmitted to Canonical’s servers"Oct 19 14:01
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/10/ubuntu-13-10-review-the-linux-os-of-the-future-remains-a-year-away/Oct 19 14:01
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Ubuntu 13.10 review: The Linux OS of the future remains a year away | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fwtk8 ]Oct 19 14:01
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iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/the-top-5-things-weve-learned-about-the-nsa-thanks-to-edward-snowden/Oct 19 19:53
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | The top 5 things we’ve learned about the NSA thanks to Edward Snowden | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fwul3 ]Oct 19 19:53
DaemonFCRyan Farmer via Slashdot.orgOct 19 20:10
DaemonFCOpenness doesn't need to mean walking around with a "kick me" sign on your back. If Wikipedia had the kind of peer review that the Linux kernel did, this kind of stuff wouldn't ever happen. If anyone tried it, it would be spotted and removed before the next iteration of the page was ever shown to the public.Oct 19 20:10
DaemonFCThe problem with trying to present a neutral point of view, is that it gives equal footing to crackpots. It's like having a debate about climate change, where you have to give the 1% of scientists that deny it (most of whom are on the oil company payroll) 50% of the airtime, or having a debate about the age of the Earth, where you have to give the people that say it's 5,000 years old (demonstrably fOct 19 20:10
DaemonFCalse) half of the airtime, or having a debate about the shape of the Earth, where you track down the one guy that says it's flat and give him equal footing.Oct 19 20:10
DaemonFCWikipedia and the news should stop trying to be "fair", and spend more time reporting accurately. When you give corporations and silly people half the debate time, you give them more credibility than they really deserve and a chance to influence people who are not knowledgeable about the subject.Oct 19 20:10
DaemonFCRyan Farmer via Bill MoyersOct 19 20:23
DaemonFCNobody is on a government program because they believe in the government. They're on them because the market has failed them.Oct 19 20:23
DaemonFCFood stamps are basically the glue that makes minimum wage employers such as Walmart and the fast food industry work.Oct 19 20:23
DaemonFCSocialists actually don't like programs like food stamps and medicaid, because we know that they make abusive employers just tolerable enough that people don't want to rock the boat. Without programs like this which just barely patch over the horrible nature of free market capitalism, there would be an uprising the likes of which has not been seen since the 1920s.Oct 19 20:23
DaemonFCAlso, if the free market works so great, take everyone over 65 off of Social Security and Medicare and watch what happens to them.Oct 19 20:23
DaemonFCWe have programs like that because people saw what was happening without them, said "Oh my God, that's horrible.", and decided to do something about it. In other words, they saw the cruelty of the free market, and corrected for it.Oct 19 20:23
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DaemonFChttp://www.huffingtonpost.com/nicholas-carroll/credit-card-maxandwalk-co_b_789793.htmlOct 19 20:52
TechrightsBot-trwww.huffingtonpost.com | Nicholas Carroll: Credit Card Max-and-Walk: Consumers Learn How to Game the Banks  [ http://ur1.ca/354wv ]Oct 19 20:53
DaemonFC"(I once had a card frozen in less than five minutes for buying gas and then using it at Walmart; my pattern had fit the profile of a stolen card -- testing the card at a gas station and then rushing to Walmart to max it out.)"Oct 19 20:53
DaemonFCI always use my credit card for gas and groceries.Oct 19 20:53
DaemonFCbut just so I can farm the cash back rewards.Oct 19 20:53
DaemonFCbanks don't like that, but they tolerate itOct 19 20:53
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DaemonFCMicrosoft released a broken Windows 8.1 update that started bricking Windows RT devices.Oct 19 23:57
DaemonFCSo they pulled the update.Oct 19 23:57
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gulag2013http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FGqRPGw7egOct 13 04:40
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schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3165187Oct 13 07:41
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schestowitz_bed2"And if I can't do anything I want with MY hardware I won't buy that hardware"Oct 13 07:41
schestowitz_bed2[16:36] <_Goblin> schestowitz: HI there! Yep if youre coming to London, make sure you visit! - Oh and btw 1984 not an insightful glimse of the future, an exercise in the bloody obvious for anyone who has studied any human culture from its roots....but thats another story....Oct 13 07:42
schestowitz_bed2Cool;.maybe my wife can come alsoOct 13 07:42
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DaemonFCMinceR, Apparently it's easier to commit odometer fraud with those new digital odometers.Oct 13 08:48
DaemonFCAll you have to do is hook up a device and reset it to whatever you want it to say.Oct 13 08:49
DaemonFC:POct 13 08:49
gulag2013Any Ubuntu users in the room?Oct 13 08:50
iophkgulag2013: not a fan of Unity.  What's up?Oct 13 08:52
gulag2013I'm just trying to figure the right way to purge Cinnamon desktop, now idea how it got installedOct 13 08:53
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iophkRemove the package "cinnamon" and then autoremove any leftovers?Oct 13 08:55
gulag2013should I use synaptic?Oct 13 08:55
iophkYes that would be an easy way.Oct 13 08:55
gulag2013Great thanks, The news on both Facebook and Google, I was very close to removing my gmailOct 13 08:57
iophkSomeone posted a reply from GMX online saying they couldn't guarantee non-US servers for their services.Oct 13 08:57
DaemonFCI keep getting idiots on Craigslist say they're interested in buying my Taurus.Oct 13 08:58
DaemonFCThen they either try to get it really cheap or never show up to look at it.Oct 13 08:58
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oiaohmgulag2013: do get to know aptitude as well.    Highly useful if anything majorally screwed up with graphical due to package install stuff up.Oct 13 09:02
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gulag2013iophk, that seemed to do the trick thanks for your help, all that is left is some gnome.Oct 13 09:05
iophkLots of people have moved to XFCE instead.  Oct 13 09:06
gulag2013I'm not to sure I liked that desktop. I will have to double check the disto I thought it was in.Oct 13 09:07
iophkIt's in Xubuntu if you are into the Ubuntu family of distros.  Oct 13 09:07
iophkIt comes prepackaged on others, too.Oct 13 09:07
gulag2013It's the global menu bar I like in Ubuntu, not DashOct 13 09:08
gulag2013Dash, is sort of waste of timeOct 13 09:08
iophkWhat about Cairo-dock then?  It's an add on.Oct 13 09:08
iophkThe Dash is like a lame reimplementation of bash-completion.Oct 13 09:09
iophkI don't see it as appropriate to the GUI paradigmOct 13 09:09
gulag2013It serves me now purpose, now if it would display the last installed package that would be usefulOct 13 09:09
iophkIf I wanted to type the names of a program to run it, I can already do that, and have done it, since the 1990'sOct 13 09:09
gulag2013Exactly, there a few ones that are not obvious. example Chromium-BrowserOct 13 09:10
gulag2013Once you know them, you are goldenOct 13 09:11
iophkless /var/log/apt/history.logOct 13 09:11
iophkThen scroll down to the end.Oct 13 09:12
gulag2013I have no problem typing to launch a program, but dash stutters on my machine. Terminal is just fasterOct 13 09:12
iophkThere might be a way to get it with grep if one is clever enough.Oct 13 09:12
gulag2013I will write down that path thanksOct 13 09:12
iophkbash completion is actually quite advanced and aware of the syntax and valid options and their accepted parameters.Oct 13 09:13
gulag2013It's fantastic, I'm learning as a go. I was doing tab tab and it was just filling in the whole path. Oct 13 09:14
iophkYep, it knows when to fill in paths and when not to.Oct 13 09:14
iophkI guess the structure of the APT history file is always a 4-line record separated by an empty line.Oct 13 09:15
iophkSo this should work to find the last one:Oct 13 09:15
iophktail -n 4 /var/log/apt/history.logOct 13 09:15
gulag2013That display all the cinnamon stuff I just removedOct 13 09:17
iophkYes, I see now.  There is a slight defect in how Synaptic logs to that file.  You can't just look at "Commandline:" to see if something was added or removed.Oct 13 09:20
gulag2013The first command you gave me is long list of everything. Can I use an -l flag somewhere, it looks like shit.Oct 13 09:20
iophkThe long lines get wrapped.  So that makes it look bad.Oct 13 09:20
gulag2013Can I cat it out and have listed/Oct 13 09:21
iophkYou could pipe it through a perl script which uses Text::WrapI18N Oct 13 09:22
iophkThat would allow you to do hanging indents, which should improve readabilityOct 13 09:22
gulag2013okay, so I'm looking through this list it looks like a bunch of dependencies, I can't really spot out programs in this mess.Oct 13 09:23
iophkUnfortunately the package manager doesn't really make a distinction between applications and their dependencies.Oct 13 09:24
gulag2013Ha ha, it's all good. I know that most of my stuff is in /usr/bin right?Oct 13 09:25
oiaohmgulag2013: do get to know aptitude as well.    Highly useful if anything majorally screwed up with graphical due to package install stuff up.Oct 13 09:26
gulag2013Okay. Can you explain Aptitude for me. just what you it is, not asking for lessons?Oct 13 09:27
oiaohmgulag2013: aptitude is a text base item like synapticOct 13 09:27
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gulag2013starting to ring a bell. how do work in it?Oct 13 09:28
gulag2013I don't even know if its something I have preinstalled.Oct 13 09:29
oiaohmgulag2013: if it installed aptitude will exist as at terminal option.Oct 13 09:29
gulag2013/etc/apt/apt.conf.d/00aptitude, that came up first line using locateOct 13 09:30
oiaohmaptitude installed should be in /usr/bin/aptitudeOct 13 09:32
oiaohmgulag2013: http://algebraicthunk.net/~dburrows/projects/aptitude/doc/en/images/install-snapshot.png aptitude has a fairly unque look.Oct 13 09:33
gulag2013That path isn't being displayed, maybe I need to install itOct 13 09:33
gulag2013Thanks that stand out like a sore thumbOct 13 09:34
gulag2013Okay I'm installing it.Oct 13 09:35
iophkI always had trouble from / with Aptitude.  I use apt-get straight up.Oct 13 09:35
iophkinsteadOct 13 09:35
gulag2013Nice and launches "aptitude"Oct 13 09:35
oiaohmiophk: aptitude has better broken package solving than apt-getOct 13 09:37
gulag2013Well, I take oiaohm's word on at least trying to learn it. I haven't gotten around to learning how to navigate in vim eitherOct 13 09:37
oiaohmgulag2013: Hey I have only used Linux and Unix for over 20 years and I still cannot use vim todo anything.Oct 13 09:37
oiaohmgulag2013: I use nano as my text editor on the terminal.Oct 13 09:38
gulag2013Ha ha, thanks that made me feel more at ease. I appreciate your suggestions. This is the most fun I have had in long time, as far as learning an O/S goesOct 13 09:38
iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/10/13/gnulinux-is-for-everyone/Oct 13 09:39
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | GNU/Linux Is For Everyone  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/fvpki ]Oct 13 09:39
oiaohmgulag2013: I have dyslexia emacs and vim are ways for me to screw up majorally.Oct 13 09:39
oiaohmgulag2013: so I like stuff with proper displayed memus.Oct 13 09:39
oiaohmWhats a few lines of screen space compare to making errors.Oct 13 09:40
gulag2013Are they sort of black sheep. I guess I mean, I get the hang of one thing, and I guess my way around another. So are they just both non intuitive Oct 13 09:40
iophkKnowing a little vi is useful since it is on all systems by default and nano or emacs have to be installed intentionally.Oct 13 09:42
gulag2013So emac is comparable to Vim? I'm embarrassed I have to ask that. Stalman created emac, is that right?Oct 13 09:42
iophkYes RMS wrote EmacsOct 13 09:42
iophkIt's a nice IDEOct 13 09:42
oiaohmI do have a cheat sheet for vim when desperate.Oct 13 09:43
oiaohmBut other wise I don't know how to use vim.Oct 13 09:43
gulag2013I didn't know that about nano.Oct 13 09:43
iophkThe syntax highlighting and other touches are very useful.  It has many modes, depending on what kind of file you are editing.Oct 13 09:43
iophknano is niceOct 13 09:43
oiaohmemacs is huge powerful and scary enough you could be using its internal irc client.Oct 13 09:43
gulag2013I use it for text, and it save me step or two Oct 13 09:43
oiaohmor even using to to play chess.Oct 13 09:43
iophkbut you need to set nowrap in nanorc  or launch it with -w to avoid wrapping long linesOct 13 09:44
oiaohmvim and vi were both designed to be compact still with lots of functionality.Oct 13 09:44
oiaohmAlso vim and vi are designed for the nightmare terminal from hell.Oct 13 09:45
iophkover 300 baud or slower...Oct 13 09:45
oiaohmYes that being a printer.Oct 13 09:45
oiaohmYes keyboard + printer you can get by with vi or vim.Oct 13 09:45
oiaohmYes vi and vim has some very warped output options.Oct 13 09:45
gulag2013That is the long term goal. it's hard to watch my system go down, and stare at a blank cursor feeling helpless.Oct 13 09:46
oiaohmgulag2013: basically if you have a interfacw where you cannot use vi or vim you are fairly much stuffed.Oct 13 09:46
gulag2013Sounds like the thing to practice, if it's almost everythingOct 13 09:47
iophkYou only need to know a few keystrokes to get a lot of mileage out of viOct 13 09:48
oiaohmgulag2013: there is a price for supporting every interface on earth.Oct 13 09:48
oiaohmgulag2013: don't know keystrokes vi/vim are paper weight is this the price for supporting every interface.Oct 13 09:49
gulag2013What is that exactly?Oct 13 09:49
oiaohmgulag2013: so I don't like remembering keystrokes.Oct 13 09:49
oiaohmThis is why I am a nano user.Oct 13 09:49
oiaohmI used a item called pico before nano.Oct 13 09:50
gulag2013Oh,well it scares me because I wasn't gifted with the best memory. I just keep trying new commands as I go. Oct 13 09:50
oiaohmgulag2013: so you are more like me.Oct 13 09:50
iophkwith pico and nano you can rely on the menus insteadOct 13 09:50
iophkIIRC pico came with pineOct 13 09:51
oiaohmiophk: pine was my first email client.Oct 13 09:51
iophk2nd for me, but it is very goodOct 13 09:51
gulag2013How far back are we talkingOct 13 09:51
iophk93Oct 13 09:51
oiaohm95 meOct 13 09:52
iophkpine's development has been a little less certain of lateOct 13 09:52
iophkthere is alpine and re-alpineOct 13 09:52
gulag2013Ah yes, I was just buying my first modem around that timeOct 13 09:52
_Goblingulag2013, I just wonder these days why people bother with the CLI...if you have need of the flexibility of the command line fine, but many people have spent many years making desktop linux intuitive and "one click" in order to concentrate on work and less on "working things out"....Oct 13 09:52
oiaohmBefore that I only had access to bbs before that.Oct 13 09:52
iophkbut none quite work with Google's IMAPSOct 13 09:52
oiaohmiophk: I was using Unix's 1991Oct 13 09:52
oiaohmiophk: without internet connection.Oct 13 09:53
iophkso no 'mail' program?Oct 13 09:53
_Goblinoiaohm, Dawn RaId BbS - The greatest scene BBS in the UKOct 13 09:53
_Goblinand that was 1989 for me.Oct 13 09:53
oiaohmiophk: cat mboxfile |lessOct 13 09:53
iophkewOct 13 09:53
oiaohmiophk: I don't call that my first email client.Oct 13 09:54
oiaohmiophk: but it worked for what was needed.Oct 13 09:54
gulag2013Goblin, I have spent me whole life using a Gui, feeling like things were being hidden from me. I'm interested in know how my system works more than beforeOct 13 09:54
oiaohmiophk: only thing being emailed on those systems was errors.Oct 13 09:54
oiaohmiophk: read email delete mailbox have it create new again.Oct 13 09:54
oiaohmNever ending cycle of ew until I found a email client.Oct 13 09:54
_Goblingulag2013, unless you have some very special requirements it all seems like creating work for yourself....although if its a hobby and you enjoy it, more power to you.Oct 13 09:55
_Goblinthe cat example I gave yesterday is a good one since in Avidemux you can use the append feature which is arguably quicker than a "CAT" command in the CLIOct 13 09:55
gulag2013It all depends on the task , I really could care less about learning every command to set up a firewall in a terminal, but know how and where I can fix things is niceOct 13 09:56
_GoblinI think the most important thing (for me anyway) was when I first came to Linux from a Windows background, knowing where the system put everything and then permissions, now the CLI is largely unused and if I have an issue a quick google usually gives me a cut and paste solution.Oct 13 09:57
gulag2013I guess that is what is holding linux back on the desktop. I freaked out the first couple crashes I had using linuxOct 13 09:57
iophkThe only thing holding Linux back on the desktop is the control of the OEMs.  People will use what is preinstalled.Oct 13 09:57
iophkNowadays few even change the default settings.Oct 13 09:58
_GoblinI think the thing that can hold Linux back is the idea some people promote that you need to use the CLI at all....Most of the linux installs I've done for people have never used the CLI since they started with LinuxOct 13 09:58
gulag2013Those are good points, yet Windows can be a little whacky where they hide tools alsoOct 13 09:58
oiaohm_Goblin: and iophk both kinda wrong.Oct 13 09:58
iophkThe shell is too easy to work with.Oct 13 09:58
oiaohm_Goblin: X11 being highly inscure forced command line to remain in high secure usage.Oct 13 09:59
_Goblintell that to someone who uses a PC as a tool, not as a hobby or has an interest in it.Oct 13 09:59
iophkTo walk someone through a GUI solution needs feeding a series of edited screen shots.Oct 13 09:59
iophkThat's slow and a lot of work.Oct 13 09:59
oiaohmiophk: OEM how can they ship with up stream hardware vendors rejecting Linux.Oct 13 09:59
iophkThe same solution can be done faster with a line or two.Oct 13 09:59
_Goblinyep but its more intiutive to someone with no interest in computing (other than as a tool)Oct 13 09:59
iophkoiaohm: M$ still has the control to lean on OEMs, though the grip is weakeningOct 13 10:00
oiaohmiophk and _Goblin we have had the problem 2 major road blocks.Oct 13 10:00
gulag2013I would say to that person to get a mac and a service plan. Oct 13 10:00
_Goblinyou really think a mainstream user the masses would favour text over a flashy GUI? even if it is slower.Oct 13 10:00
iophktoo bad they got restricted boot pushed throughOct 13 10:00
iophkthat basically prevents any casual experimentation or anything else by novicesOct 13 10:00
_Goblinit is all about OEM.....but those that venture away are also put off from the CLI fudOct 13 10:00
_Goblinabout linuxOct 13 10:00
oiaohm_Goblin: the CLI is not fud.Oct 13 10:00
_Goblinno....Oct 13 10:00
_Goblinbadly typed.Oct 13 10:01
iophkM$ makes it into FUDOct 13 10:01
oiaohm_Goblin: without fixing X11 the CLI was forced to remain.Oct 13 10:01
_GoblinI mean the FUD thats promoted about Linux = CLIOct 13 10:01
iophkbecause Windows lacks the capability they make fun of itOct 13 10:01
iophkand criticize it.Oct 13 10:01
_Goblinbut you think the mainstream are interested?Oct 13 10:01
_Goblinthey just want to use a computerOct 13 10:01
oiaohm_Goblin: X11 stuff ups made the requirement to use CLI so critical.Oct 13 10:01
_Goblinthey see a command line, they are not interested.Oct 13 10:01
iophkon the GUI side, Linux has been easier than Windows for over a decade.Oct 13 10:01
_GoblinagreedOct 13 10:01
iophkThat's when the KDE 3.x usability study came outOct 13 10:02
oiaohmI would say in some areas Linux is ahead in usablity.Oct 13 10:02
oiaohmX11 has been ruining all the great useablity work.Oct 13 10:02
gulag2013You can use the some of the same commands in Powershell I believe, so you have three things you can novice in. OSX, Linux, and even a WindowsOct 13 10:02
iophkoiaohm: agreed and it has been ahead for a whileOct 13 10:02
_GoblinIve had newbies on many DE's....all of which met with ease of use by the beginnerOct 13 10:02
oiaohmgulag2013: we have a better novice shell Oct 13 10:02
iophkUnity would be more tolerable if there were a graphical way of exploring which apps are installedOct 13 10:03
_GoblinUnity is the white elephant.Oct 13 10:03
gulag2013Is that right?Oct 13 10:03
iophkthat and it needs to be able to move the dock off the left side to where ever the user needs itOct 13 10:03
oiaohmgulag2013: http://fishshell.com/  this is a shell designed for novices.Oct 13 10:03
TechrightsBot-trfishshell.com | fish shellOct 13 10:03
gulag2013What makes it better? I mean that out of pure interstOct 13 10:03
_Goblinthat dock gets to be an issue when you have a google web app also with a vertical popout dock.Oct 13 10:03
oiaohmgulag2013: its automatically designed to bring up help data.Oct 13 10:04
oiaohmgulag2013: so you know what in heck you are asking the system todo.Oct 13 10:04
gulag2013Get out of town, really?Oct 13 10:04
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gulag2013Thank you so much for sharing that. Oct 13 10:05
oiaohmgulag2013: http://fishshell.com/assets/img/screenshots/man_completions.pngOct 13 10:05
gulag2013That's cool, I will be playing with that later in the day. Oct 13 10:06
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gulag2013I had no love for learning the command prompt in windows, but now if I use windows 7. I'm hunting for it and yelling that I'm forget to right click adminOct 13 10:08
iophkWindows is all-around useless and illogical, both the GUI and the text UI.Oct 13 10:13
iophk_Goblin: some functionality is not there in the GUI.  In Synaptic, how do you see the last app or two that was installed?  Oct 13 10:15
gulag2013I got used to where things were, until you can guess?Oct 13 10:15
iophkIt shows all of them but  not the latest ones to be addedOct 13 10:15
iophkgulag2013: yeah they changed the GUI so that people have to spend their time fussing with the GUI instead of leaving them free to do their work or worse test LinuxOct 13 10:16
gulag2013My mindset was where Goblin's was a two years ago, but now i like it. Somethings are faster, others aren't Oct 13 10:17
iophk_Goblin: found the history setting, but it is only for work done through Synaptic, not the overall historyOct 13 10:17
gulag2013If that suits him, I'm always willing to be taught a better way. Oct 13 10:20
Sosumihttp://macdailynews.com/2013/09/10/new-in-os-x-mavericks-opengl-4-1-brings-increased-performance-more-features/Oct 13 10:20
TechrightsBot-trmacdailynews.com | New in OS X Mavericks: OpenGL 4.1 brings increased performance, more features – MacDailyNews - Welcome Home  [ http://ur1.ca/fvpwe ]Oct 13 10:20
Sosumiand we're still in 2010, right?Oct 13 10:21
gulag2013Sosumi,  Whats that?Oct 13 10:21
Sosumijust a joke news about apple being in the past with their opengl specOct 13 10:22
Sosumi3 years or so behind and being outperformed by mesaOct 13 10:23
gulag2013I see, I don't know enough about opengl, I do know that Apple takes forever to get hardware up to date. Oct 13 10:23
gulag2013They keep repackaging the same products with some minor changes. Look what they did to the Mac Pro, what is that?Oct 13 10:24
Sosumithe mac pro was OK, they didn't need to change it an oversized dildoOct 13 10:25
Sosumi*intoOct 13 10:25
gulag2013That is what I meant, not specs wise. I guess they don't want you fixing it.Oct 13 10:26
oiaohmThe more deperate MS gets attempting to hold onto market share the more insane there interface will get.Oct 13 10:26
Sosuminor upgrading itOct 13 10:26
oiaohmWindows 8 was about MS losing control.Oct 13 10:26
gulag2013Microsoft just resorts to smear campaigns, bribes and corrupting the education systemOct 13 10:27
oiaohmRemember MS makes more income from android patent licenses than from Windows Phone sales.Oct 13 10:27
SosumiyeahOct 13 10:27
gulag2013I did hear thatOct 13 10:27
oiaohmgulag2013: bribes and corruption is how MS got into place.Oct 13 10:27
oiaohmgulag2013: and illegal dealing.Oct 13 10:27
oiaohmgulag2013: IBM invented FUDOct 13 10:28
gulag2013Take Goblin for example. I'm not meaning to use him for this example. I'm a victim also. If I had to learn Linux in elementary school, I would have a skill. Oct 13 10:29
oiaohmgulag2013: so why did I develop the skill.Oct 13 10:29
oiaohmgulag2013: It was not because my high school supported it.Oct 13 10:29
oiaohmgulag2013: mine was seeing my schools computer labs shut down due to software piracy.Oct 13 10:30
gulag2013This is true, you had a passion for it much early I suppose. I wanted nothing to do with, Windows 8 changed that. Oct 13 10:30
oiaohmgulag2013: No not exactly passion.Oct 13 10:30
oiaohmI required working computers.Oct 13 10:31
gulag2013Then you had a reason, and you are much better off now because of it. Oct 13 10:31
oiaohmgulag2013: my rating of dyslexia was at the level of non functional with out aids.Oct 13 10:32
iophkyou were lucky if that pushed you to F/OSS.  Usually M$ via the BSA is able to force new M$ contractsOct 13 10:33
iophkthey used the "piracy" excuse to purge Netware from the server rooms and replace it with non-functional M$ shitOct 13 10:33
gulag2013I did horrible in school. The way the force you to learn stuff that doesn't help you . Personal relationships skills, nope. Financial literacy, nopeOct 13 10:33
oiaohmiophk: think about it my dyslexia require spell checkers and other things.Oct 13 10:34
oiaohmiophk: having computer rooms shut down when needing to submit papers was a major problem.Oct 13 10:34
iophkYeah you got burned pretty bad.Oct 13 10:35
iophkTiming is a lotOct 13 10:35
gulag2013I took my Comptia A+ All Microsoft. Tell me that wasn't on purpose. Oct 13 10:35
gulag2013No Apple skills, nothing on Linux at allOct 13 10:35
iophkKind of confirms that Comptia is a total waste.Oct 13 10:36
gulag2013it truly is now. Oct 13 10:36
gulag2013PC repair, it's a good laughOct 13 10:36
oiaohmOld A+ exam stuff was good.Oct 13 10:37
oiaohmThe new stuff is horibleOct 13 10:37
gulag2013Why on earth would someone pay me $100 to fix a $300 dollar emachineOct 13 10:37
iophkthat's if it is even repairable.Oct 13 10:37
oiaohmgulag2013: data recoverable.Oct 13 10:37
oiaohmgulag2013: oppsOct 13 10:37
iophkMost things are single-board these days.Oct 13 10:37
oiaohmdata recovery.Oct 13 10:37
oiaohmYes I hate word swap I suffer from from time to time.Oct 13 10:38
iophkAbout the only thing removable is the SSD or HD and optical drive, if there is still one.Oct 13 10:38
oiaohmgulag2013: its not the price of the machine its the price of the data it contains these days.Oct 13 10:38
gulag2013Data recovery, maybe some forgotten password, but if the Motherboard goes, just go to Walmart and get a new oneOct 13 10:38
gulag2013What is that called "Planned Obsolescence"Oct 13 10:39
oiaohmReplacing a motherboard can be required as part of datarecovery.Oct 13 10:39
oiaohmie people using insane encryptioned with data stored in the board.Oct 13 10:40
gulag2013Valid pointOct 13 10:40
oiaohmNote you are not talking about a 100 dollar fix you are talking about a 1000 dollar fixOct 13 10:40
oiaohmSo the data better be worth something.Oct 13 10:40
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gulag2013I didn't get that kind of education either, that is way I'm unpleased with the Comptia peopleOct 13 10:41
gulag2013I got Printer questions, and how to be nice to people scenarios Oct 13 10:42
oiaohmgulag2013: you know something is wrong when do the exam have noted down 5 questiosn because they were sus.Oct 13 10:43
oiaohmgulag2013: then prove Comptia had them wrong.Oct 13 10:43
oiaohmgulag2013: like the year Windows NT was released.Oct 13 10:44
gulag2013Yes, I honestly brought one question up. The lady working told me to write to ComptiaOct 13 10:44
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gulag2013Don't get me wrong I passed with no worries, but the majority of the questions were on hardware so old, that you have a better chance of getting hit by a bus, than have your boss fire you over not know the amount of pins in scsi cableOct 13 10:46
oiaohmgulag2013: what age hardware do you have to perform data recovery on.Oct 13 10:47
oiaohmgulag2013: on adverage.Oct 13 10:47
oiaohmgulag2013: ?Oct 13 10:48
oiaohmYes I do ask some hard question.Oct 13 10:48
oiaohmThe answer is sub 1 year old and + 5 year old.Oct 13 10:48
oiaohmgulag2013: worst I have had todo data recovery was 3 years ago on a server build in the 1980sOct 13 10:49
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gulag2013I have been very lucky, it has never been that serious. I do have  a few discs in my tool bag. Oct 13 10:49
gulag2013The stuff, I have had it was easy enough to just get the data off, and replace the hdOct 13 10:50
oiaohmgulag2013: basically that old crap in the A+ exam make sense when you come accross somewhere that has done something stupid like put a server in a wall and forget about it.Oct 13 10:52
gulag2013Yet, I'm not working in the industry. This is mostly friends and family and i have built a level of trust. I"m not going to charge an arm and a leg for something simpleOct 13 10:52
oiaohmgulag2013: yes embed item in wall I have seen 8 times.Oct 13 10:52
oiaohmwhere is the scanner where is keyboard..... Where is computer....  Yes every time something different.Oct 13 10:53
gulag2013You are right, but bus typology really?Oct 13 10:53
oiaohmrenoviations and computer hardware can get bad.Oct 13 10:53
oiaohmgulag2013: lot of those bus typology of networks you use with fiber optic.Oct 13 10:54
oiaohmYes there is still ring typology in fiber optic.Oct 13 10:54
gulag2013ha ha, that is rough ride. I bet you are wondering, they had to know I was here to work right?Oct 13 10:55
gulag2013That is fiber, but memorizing what a bnc connector is, sort of sillyOct 13 10:56
oiaohmgulag2013: I still have 1 place still with some sections of bnc 10 mbs networking.Oct 13 10:56
oiaohmThe items on it don't need speed.Oct 13 10:57
gulag2013Oh my god. I stand corrected yet again. Oct 13 10:57
gulag2013They still use hubs to?Oct 13 10:57
oiaohmbnc ringOct 13 10:57
oiaohmNo hubsOct 13 10:57
oiaohmWhat is hubs.Oct 13 10:58
gulag2013it was before switchesOct 13 10:58
oiaohmPlease note bnc ring is highly evil.Oct 13 10:58
oiaohmThe distance of cable of the ring has to be longer than the max transimmsion distance.Oct 13 10:58
oiaohmOr horible things happen.Oct 13 10:59
gulag2013Why?Oct 13 10:59
gulag2013What is the distance in meters max?Oct 13 10:59
oiaohmThink for one min signal leaves from one point on a ring what happens at the crossing point on the other side.Oct 13 10:59
oiaohmThis is non terminated BNC 10 mbs networking.Oct 13 11:00
oiaohmAprox 150 meters gulag2013Oct 13 11:00
gulag2013Oh, darn those diagrams were supposed to be for illustration. IOct 13 11:00
oiaohmgulag2013: the ring lenth is 450 metres.Oct 13 11:01
oiaohmWith the one I am dealing with.Oct 13 11:01
oiaohmgulag2013: basically the fun job is replace it.Oct 13 11:02
gulag2013I only have a tiny grasp on Networking. Which reminds me I should be thinking about that Exam, but it's useless unless i can get some hands on experienceOct 13 11:02
oiaohmOnly posible replacement will be fiber something.Oct 13 11:02
oiaohmgulag2013: location 24/7 saw mill.Oct 13 11:03
oiaohmgulag2013: would you want to recable that place.Oct 13 11:03
gulag2013No thank youOct 13 11:03
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oiaohmgulag2013: seams to be the universal answer.Oct 13 11:03
gulag2013Oh goodness, do they even cover the nodes?Oct 13 11:03
oiaohmgulag2013: nothing in there can have vents.Oct 13 11:04
oiaohmOther than printers that do from time to time catch fire.Oct 13 11:04
oiaohmYes printer on fire is no joke in that place.Oct 13 11:04
gulag2013rofl fire seriouslyOct 13 11:04
oiaohmgulag2013: fine powered saw dust.Oct 13 11:05
oiaohmMeets hot printer equals big problems.Oct 13 11:05
oiaohmOk printer on fire is in fact a good outcome.Oct 13 11:05
oiaohmPrinter exploded is a bad outcome.Oct 13 11:05
oiaohmBoth do happen.Oct 13 11:05
gulag2013They should do that aquarium setup for there pc's in thereOct 13 11:05
oiaohmYes blast cage is around printers.Oct 13 11:06
oiaohmYes turn off printer open door get printed object close door.Oct 13 11:06
oiaohmTurn back on printer.Oct 13 11:06
oiaohmgulag2013: no you use vent less pcs in there.Oct 13 11:06
oiaohmgulag2013: look up fitpc some time.Oct 13 11:07
gulag2013i think i have seen thosesOct 13 11:07
gulag2013Sounds like you are underpaidOct 13 11:08
gulag2013So do you do all the admin stuff, plus cable management, etc..Oct 13 11:09
gulag2013Just you?Oct 13 11:09
oiaohmgulag2013: contract on call.Oct 13 11:10
oiaohmgulag2013: pay no one unless it breaks what totally suxs.Oct 13 11:10
gulag2013I'm sorry.Oct 13 11:12
oiaohmgulag2013: the real horible places are badly paid.Oct 13 11:14
oiaohmgulag2013: the well paying places normally have decent upgrade and replacement cycles.Oct 13 11:14
gulag2013what sucks is I was trying to move out of those environment.  I have worked in nasty warehouses my whole lifeOct 13 11:15
gulag2013Are you doing a lot of Windows 7 deployments?Oct 13 11:16
oiaohmNasty ware house can be cleaner than highrise cableing channels.Oct 13 11:16
oiaohmgulag2013: not really.Oct 13 11:16
oiaohmLot are looking at Windows MultipointOct 13 11:16
oiaohmBasically huge mother servers supporting 20 users each.Oct 13 11:17
oiaohmThen ipad and android tablets and Linux boxes on desktops.Oct 13 11:17
gulag2013Oh, okay. So do you have to break it to places, they need modern stuffOct 13 11:17
oiaohmgulag2013: windows stupid limits.Oct 13 11:18
oiaohmgulag2013: any more than 20 users on a server providing RDP things get bad with Windows.Oct 13 11:18
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oiaohmWhere if the box was linux you could support a few 100 users.Oct 13 11:18
gulag2013Wow, I didnt' know it was like that with WindowsOct 13 11:19
oiaohmThere are a lot weakness in windows.Oct 13 11:20
gulag2013Has Microsoft been raising pricesOct 13 11:20
oiaohmYes.Oct 13 11:20
oiaohmKSM in Linux kernel that does same page matching to reduce ram usage under Linux is protected by a vmware patent.   So windows does not have this feature.Oct 13 11:21
gulag2013Man,there are countries in Europe going open source, I'm not sure when it will reach the statesOct 13 11:21
oiaohmgulag2013: patents cripple Microsoft from supporting massive numbers of users.Oct 13 11:21
oiaohmOn a single machine.Oct 13 11:21
iophkI thought it was also M$ own architecture that failed in its design.Oct 13 11:22
gulag2013Oh, this is getting sticky. I had no idea it was this involved with patents Oct 13 11:22
oiaohmiophk: NT core design is solid.  What was done to it in the name of performace ruined it.Oct 13 11:22
iophkThere were other add ons that prevent the "official" security model from working IIRCOct 13 11:23
oiaohmiophk: Dave Cutler did the core design of OpenVMS and NT.  Both core designs are solid.Oct 13 11:25
oiaohmiophk: basically having a solid core design does not mean you cannot employ other idiots and ruin it.Oct 13 11:25
iophkYes, but that was in the 90's  Hasn't everything else been garbage since then? That was my impression.Oct 13 11:25
DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 13 11:26
DaemonFC4 minutes agoOct 13 11:26
DaemonFCGolden Graham treats and Diet Pepsi. Breakfast of champions. It's gonna be a good day.Oct 13 11:26
oiaohmiophk:Some things done to vista were correcting historic design faults.Oct 13 11:27
oiaohmiophk: mostly currect the modern stuff has garbage.  There have been handful of bright spark correct alteratiosn to the NT line.Oct 13 11:27
oiaohmiophk: compared to the Linux kernel that has many true bright spart correct alterations every year Windows is doing horible badly.Oct 13 11:28
DaemonFCI always wondered why old people drive their Crown Vics at 20 mph.Oct 13 11:28
DaemonFCI get it now.Oct 13 11:28
DaemonFCIt's so they can spend more time in their Crown Vics.Oct 13 11:28
DaemonFCDamned government CAFE standards killed the Vic.Oct 13 11:29
DaemonFCI don't know why Ford couldn't just put the DOHC 3.7 V6 in it.Oct 13 11:29
oiaohmDaemonFC: the other is not having the money to rebush the steering.Oct 13 11:30
DaemonFC?Oct 13 11:31
DaemonFCThe steering in this car is phenomenal!Oct 13 11:31
DaemonFCBest steering out of any car I've ever owned.Oct 13 11:31
DaemonFCRear wheel drive + power steering = best steering ever.Oct 13 11:31
MinceR122118 < oiaohm> KSM in Linux kernel that does same page matching to reduce ram usage under Linux is protected by a vmware patent.   So windows does not have this feature.Oct 13 11:32
DaemonFCI went to Walmart earlier to get some for sale signs for the Taurus and some odds and ends.Oct 13 11:32
MinceRthen they could support more users, they just needed more RAM, could they not?Oct 13 11:32
DaemonFCI was cruising through the parking lot steering with one finger.Oct 13 11:32
oiaohmDaemonFC: the steering is phenomenal until th car has bad muches.Oct 13 11:32
MinceRDaemonFC: how widespread is odometer fraud in the usa?Oct 13 11:32
oiaohmDaemonFC: muches/bushes on the control roods.Oct 13 11:32
DaemonFCMinceR, It's common enough that it's still a major problem.Oct 13 11:33
oiaohmMinceR: MS does not have the feature at all.   Result is massively more ram consumion per users.Oct 13 11:33
oiaohmMinceR: I am not talking a small difference.Oct 13 11:33
DaemonFCThe mechanical odometers were designed to break apart if people tried to roll them back with a drill/driver or something.Oct 13 11:33
MinceRDaemonFC: they say you can't sell a car in hungary without it so there's no point in looking at the odometerOct 13 11:33
MinceRoiaohm: icOct 13 11:33
oiaohmMinceR: Like you can fit over 100 users on Linux in 16 G of ram.Oct 13 11:33
DaemonFCThe only way to cheat those in late model cars is to disconnect them, which loses the speedometer too.Oct 13 11:33
DaemonFCSo most people don't do it.Oct 13 11:33
oiaohmMinceR: and most of the time not be using swap.Oct 13 11:34
DaemonFCThe digital ones can be faked in about five minutes by reprogramming the computer.Oct 13 11:34
DaemonFC:POct 13 11:34
MinceRDaemonFC: i thought they just rolled them forward until they overflowed to 0 and then someOct 13 11:34
oiaohmMinceR: windows you would be luckly with Window 7/8 to get 16 users in 16G of ram.Oct 13 11:34
DaemonFCMinceR, If you roll them forward and they pass 999999, they break apart.Oct 13 11:34
DaemonFCThen you have to get a title that says EXCEEDS MECHANICAL LIMITS.Oct 13 11:34
DaemonFC:)Oct 13 11:34
MinceRicOct 13 11:34
DaemonFCMinceR, It's so uncommon for a person to drive a vehicle past 999999 that it's not a major problem.Oct 13 11:35
DaemonFC:)Oct 13 11:35
MinceR:)Oct 13 11:35
oiaohmNot all odometers break when you cross the max.Oct 13 11:36
DaemonFCMy Crown Vic has 94,800 on it right now.Oct 13 11:36
oiaohmMost do.Oct 13 11:36
DaemonFCMy Precious!Oct 13 11:36
DaemonFCB-)Oct 13 11:36
DaemonFCMinceR, I'm not afraid of driving an older car as long as they've kept the maintenance logs and had it garaged.Oct 13 11:37
DaemonFCAs long as it's low miles for the year.Oct 13 11:37
DaemonFCThis is actually the lowest mileage of any vehicle I've ever bought.Oct 13 11:37
DaemonFCThe Taurus has 113,500 on it when I bought it in 2005.Oct 13 11:38
DaemonFC*hadOct 13 11:38
DaemonFCIt has 143,433 on it right now.Oct 13 11:38
DaemonFCI've only driven it about 30,000 miles in 8 years.Oct 13 11:38
DaemonFCbut those were some hard milesOct 13 11:39
DaemonFCI have kind of a lead foot.Oct 13 11:39
oiaohmDaemonFC: I had 1 truck that did end up wrong did not dispaly EXCEEDS MECHANICAL LIMITS jamed at 00000001Oct 13 11:39
DaemonFCand I've gone off the road onceOct 13 11:40
DaemonFCat like 70 mphOct 13 11:40
DaemonFCinto a fieldOct 13 11:40
DaemonFCand I've gone into the air a few times and landedOct 13 11:40
DaemonFCand driven into a buildingOct 13 11:40
DaemonFCand some....err....other stuffOct 13 11:40
oiaohmDaemonFC:  so you would be good fun to put in a bush basher.Oct 13 11:41
DaemonFCThe Taurus has held up quite well considering what I've done to it.Oct 13 11:41
DaemonFCIf I can find someone to buy it that has no idea how I drive, that would be great.Oct 13 11:41
DaemonFC:)Oct 13 11:41
oiaohmDaemonFC: http://www.rollaclub.com/board/uploads/1220080609/med_gallery_958_72_294332.jpg  << I guess it does not look like this yet.Oct 13 11:43
DaemonFCThere's no reason why we need to keep running vehicles on gasoline or move to crappy 4 cylinder engines.Oct 13 11:43
oiaohmDaemonFC: Australian bush bashers end of life for highly abused cars.Oct 13 11:43
DaemonFCThey made a natural gas version of the Crown Vic.Oct 13 11:43
DaemonFCWhy can't they just switch cars over to natural gas and keep making real cars?Oct 13 11:43
oiaohmDaemonFC: your driving would not worry them.Oct 13 11:44
oiaohmDaemonFC: how do most Australian bush bashers end life wrapped around tree.Oct 13 11:44
DaemonFCSome guy sent me an email from Craiglist about the Taurus.Oct 13 11:45
DaemonFC"trade you a mini van for it"Oct 13 11:45
DaemonFCuhhhm, noOct 13 11:45
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DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 13 12:00
DaemonFC2 seconds agoOct 13 12:00
DaemonFCTime to swap out your kittens for a big block Jabba Cat.Oct 13 12:00
DaemonFCWhat does the Jabba Cat eat? Anything it wants. He's the great white shark that never had to evolve.Oct 13 12:00
DaemonFCHe might look like a sweet kitten, but he will hunt your foot the second he thinks your not looking.Oct 13 12:00
DaemonFCBRRROWWW! Oct 13 12:00
DaemonFChttps://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1385043_154174731459233_1328209091_n.jpgOct 13 12:00
DaemonFChttps://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/s720x720/1394128_154173751459331_1205473283_n.jpgOct 13 12:00
DaemonFChttps://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/q71/s720x720/1381915_154173901459316_2094136046_n.jpgOct 13 12:01
DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 13 12:10
DaemonFC2 seconds agoOct 13 12:10
DaemonFCSo I got a bunch of texts from a guy on Craigslist that says he wanted to come by yesterday morning to look at the Taurus. So I clean it really good, and he never shows.Oct 13 12:10
DaemonFCThen I got a email from a guy that wanted to trade me for a minivan that's had the crap beaten out of it.Oct 13 12:10
DaemonFCThen I get a bunch of emails from another guy on Craigslist that basically wants me to give him the car.Oct 13 12:11
DaemonFCFrom: Andrew Hamilton:Oct 13 12:11
DaemonFCTo: MeOct 13 12:11
DaemonFCSubject: 1995 Ford TaurusOct 13 12:11
DaemonFCWhat's the lowest you would go?Oct 13 12:11
DaemonFChttp://fortwayne.craigslist.org/cto/4122237737.htmlOct 13 12:11
TechrightsBot-trfortwayne.craigslist.org | 1995 Ford Taurus GL with 143,433 miles  [ http://ur1.ca/fvqq4 ]Oct 13 12:11
DaemonFCSent from my iPadOct 13 12:11
DaemonFCFrom: MeOct 13 12:11
DaemonFCTo: Andrew HamiltonOct 13 12:11
DaemonFCMake me an offer.Oct 13 12:11
DaemonFCFrom: Andrew HamiltonOct 13 12:11
DaemonFCTo: MeOct 13 12:11
DaemonFC600Oct 13 12:11
DaemonFCSent from my iPhoneOct 13 12:11
DaemonFCFrom: MeOct 13 12:11
DaemonFCTo: Andrew HamiltonOct 13 12:11
DaemonFCSo you have an iPhone and an iPad, and you want my car for $600? Way to go dude. Next time, go with Android and you'll have enough money for more than a bicycle. Enjoy walking.Oct 13 12:11
DaemonFC------Oct 13 12:11
DaemonFC"The only thing worse than Apple is people who like their products."Oct 13 12:11
DaemonFCI have three cars right now, which is one more than I really want.Oct 13 12:11
DaemonFCI'm allowed two parking spots, so the crappiest vehicle I have is up for sale from in front of my mom's house.Oct 13 12:12
DaemonFCI'd like to get enough out of the Taurus GL to do a tune up on the Crown Vic and some minor repairs.Oct 13 12:12
DaemonFC(nothing major, just some odds and ends I noticed before I bought it)Oct 13 12:12
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DaemonFChttps://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/p480x480/165927_287699608039891_1675664425_n.jpgOct 13 12:42
DaemonFCewwwOct 13 12:42
DaemonFClolOct 13 12:42
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DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 13 13:42
DaemonFCFirst Ford cancels all vehicles with a V8 and then they let Microsoft into the car.Oct 13 13:42
DaemonFC#whyidrivea1996Oct 13 13:43
DaemonFChttp://images4.fanpop.com/image/photos/16200000/demotivational-random-16267135-1044-835.jpgOct 13 13:44
DaemonFChttps://lh3.ggpht.com/-WD__CWVkxTY/TadVoe3gkpI/AAAAAAAAA1Y/CqqYs_ERaRs/s400/demotivational+poster+Fat+Emo.jpgOct 13 13:45
DaemonFChttp://www.demotivationalposters.org/image/demotivational-poster/0905/travel-australia-australia-demotivational-poster-1242352192.jpgOct 13 13:49
DaemonFChttp://fc02.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2010/087/7/2/Dead_Pakistani_Demotivational_by_Joza1994.jpgOct 13 13:59
iophkMore smears : http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/10/13/0237210/could-snowden-have-been-stopped-in-2009Oct 13 14:02
TechrightsBot-tryro.slashdot.org | Could Snowden Have Been Stopped In 2009? - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/fvrfi ]Oct 13 14:02
iophkhttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/doj-if-we-can-track-one-american-we-can-track-all-americans/Oct 13 14:09
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | DoJ: If we can track one American, we can track all Americans | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fvrhg ]Oct 13 14:09
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iophkMeego gets a mention, but otherwise a bit of revisionism going on, trying to shift blame off M$ ElopOct 13 15:33
iophkhttp://www.osnews.com/story/27370/This_is_how_a_Finnish_journalist_tried_to_save_NokiaOct 13 15:33
TechrightsBot-trwww.osnews.com | This is how a Finnish journalist tried to save Nokia  [ http://ur1.ca/fvrx8 ]Oct 13 15:33
Sosumiarrh Snowden, if only he had revealed something that wasn't already knownOct 13 15:40
Sosumiwell at least he gave the specific names of the programs/units, but mehOct 13 15:41
iophkSpecifics were valuable as was official confirmation.Oct 13 15:43
Sosumibut unfortunately it didn't change muchOct 13 15:46
Sosumiwell, anythingOct 13 15:46
Sosumippl are still trowing their private lifes on the snoopnetworksOct 13 15:46
Sosumiand using "zee" cloud services instead of being resposible for their dataOct 13 15:47
Sosumiand since we're nearing november...Oct 13 15:49
SosumiI wander how many'll buy the new M$ snoopboxOct 13 15:49
iophkFew.  The last batch went off to the recycling centers for reclamation.Oct 13 15:50
Sosumiwith it's always listening snoopcamera that can also be used to get info on many users are present in the room or measure reactions when playing games, detect heartbeat, etc, etcOct 13 15:51
Sosumi:)Oct 13 15:52
Sosumiat least $ony as much as I dislike them, didn't go that routeOct 13 15:52
iophkNo but their behavior hasn't been good.Oct 13 15:52
iophkThey went out of their way to reneg on the "other OS" capabilityOct 13 15:53
iophkSome people did actually buy PS3's because of that option.Oct 13 15:53
SosumiTOUCHÉOct 13 15:53
SosumiI actually wanted to build a small ps3 clusterOct 13 15:53
Sosumiback then, glad I didn't pull the triggerOct 13 15:53
iophkYes then there were institutional buyers that were building cellclustersOct 13 15:53
SosumiyepOct 13 15:54
Sosumithere are videos on MIT opencourseware showing thatOct 13 15:54
iophkAll kinds of computationally intensive research was starting to happen on PS3 clustrers.Oct 13 15:54
iophkThere were even some medical and physics breakthroughs.Oct 13 15:54
Sosumibut $sony decided to kill the functionality, very dumb, not to mention the other issuesOct 13 15:56
Sosumisending credit card and login credentials as plain testOct 13 15:56
iophkProbably had some from M$ on the inside to help push that decisinoOct 13 15:57
iophkYellow Dog seems to have been replaced by Fixstars, but the new site is corporate market babble http://www.fixstars.com/en/Oct 13 15:58
TechrightsBot-trwww.fixstars.com | Fixstars - A leading multi-core software development companyOct 13 15:58
SosumiI think it was mostly because ppl had found a way to get access to the gpu and the platform keys dealOct 13 15:59
Sosumiwell fixstars has always been behind yellowdogOct 13 16:02
Sosumieven before cell and the ps3Oct 13 16:02
Sosumiit's a power pc distro based on rhelOct 13 16:02
iophkhttps://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/discriminatory-procurement-specifications-widespreadOct 13 16:14
TechrightsBot-trjoinup.ec.europa.eu | 'Discriminatory procurement specifications widespread' | Joinup  [ http://ur1.ca/fvs5q ]Oct 13 16:14
Sosumithe Union of European Socialist States is in cahoots with big business anywaysOct 13 16:18
iophkThey've been doing illegal tenders for as long as they've been buying computers, maybe longerOct 13 16:19
Sosumiand that also aplies to regional governments thx to M$ bribes and what notsOct 13 16:20
iophkfrom top to bottom according to reports over the yearsOct 13 16:20
iophknothing has improved yetOct 13 16:20
Sosumilike the magalhães program here in portugalOct 13 16:20
Sosumiintel classmate + winblows+officeOct 13 16:21
Sosumiwith the taxpayer footing the billOct 13 16:21
iophkThe Australian government has been paying people to use WindowsOct 13 16:22
iophkhttp://www.lifehacker.com.au/2012/07/doing-tax-on-your-mac-you-could-claim-windows-as-a-deduction/Oct 13 16:22
TechrightsBot-trwww.lifehacker.com.au | Doing Tax On Your Mac? You Could Claim Windows As A Deduction | Lifehacker Australia  [ http://ur1.ca/fvs6o ]Oct 13 16:22
Sosumiall also thx to revolving door between private and public sector between the then minister mario lino and JP Sá CoutoOct 13 16:22
Sosumitechrights has articles about thatOct 13 16:23
Sosumihttp://techrights.org/2010/03/18/magalhaes-microsoft-corruption/Oct 13 16:24
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Magalhães + Microsoft = Corruption | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fvs6u ]Oct 13 16:24
Sosumialso as a note, magalhães may have provided dual boot, but no unit that I saw came with Caixa Mágica distroOct 13 16:25
Sosumihttp://techrights.org/2009/07/01/inci-procurement-microsoft/Oct 13 16:25
TechrightsBot-trtechrights.org | Government of Portugal Ignores Procurement Rules and Gives Taxpayers’ Money to Microsoft | Techrights  [ http://ur1.ca/fvs7b ]Oct 13 16:25
Sosumiyay, my money at workOct 13 16:26
Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-13/guest-post-they%E2%80%99re-coming-your-savingsOct 13 17:41
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | Guest Post: They’re Coming For Your Savings | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/fvsmv ]Oct 13 17:41
Sosumiin a perfect world, they are coming for your debtOct 13 17:42
Sosumidebt reset, yeppiii, not, lolOct 13 17:42
Sosumialthough I don't own anything to anyoneOct 13 17:43
Sosumibut that seems to be one of the ways to balance the systemOct 13 17:43
Sosumihave the big boys take a haircutOct 13 17:43
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DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 13 18:15
DaemonFC2 seconds agoOct 13 18:15
DaemonFCMicrosoft is getting rid of Ballmer and possibly Gates. Rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic. #usegnulinuxOct 13 18:15
DaemonFCGood time for another ode to the odious proprietary malware company.Oct 13 18:15
DaemonFCI've got an idea for the next BSOD.Oct 13 18:15
DaemonFC"Your computer has experienced a problem and needs to restart. Please wait a moment while we upload more of your files to the NSA. Thank you."Oct 13 18:15
DaemonFCI guess that's how they got a free pass from the DoJ to run their "illegal operation" that should have been "shut down".Oct 13 18:15
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Sosumi:)Oct 13 18:33
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MinceRhttp://www.devttys0.com/2013/10/reverse-engineering-a-d-link-backdoor/Oct 13 18:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.devttys0.com | Reverse Engineering a D-Link Backdoor   - /dev/ttyS0  [ http://ur1.ca/fvt2e ]Oct 13 18:54
DaemonFCRyan Farmerposted toFord Motor CompanyOct 13 19:42
DaemonFCa few seconds agoOct 13 19:42
DaemonFCDear Ford,Oct 13 19:42
DaemonFCPlease bring back the Crown Victoria and remove Microsoft from your cars.Oct 13 19:42
DaemonFCkthxbaiOct 13 19:42
MinceRthey'd also need to get rid of the idiots who thought putting m$ in a car was a good idea in the first placeOct 13 19:48
MinceRthose are not engineers.Oct 13 19:48
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Sosumijust give me a ford siera cosworthOct 13 19:49
Sosumiprobably my favourite fordOct 13 19:49
Sosumibut I didn't know ford had M$ in their cars :(Oct 13 19:50
Sosumipretty much all those integrated distraction centers in cars run gnu/linux with some car manufacturer shell on topOct 13 19:52
SosumiI think, lawlOct 13 19:52
Sosumiit'd be a mistake not toOct 13 19:52
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHQ-FB6lm68Oct 13 20:13
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | 2011 Ford Crown Victoria 0-60MPH!!! - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fvtic ]Oct 13 20:13
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WtXb_tpa5tsOct 13 20:14
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | supercharged vic takeoff - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fvtii ]Oct 13 20:14
DaemonFC:)Oct 13 20:14
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mzdI2vCW75oOct 13 20:15
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Decoy police car teardown and tow away...ONE guy! - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fvtin ]Oct 13 20:15
DaemonFCLOLOct 13 20:15
DaemonFChttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High-occupancy_vehicle_laneOct 13 20:22
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DaemonFCIn January 2013, a motorist tried to claim that the Articles of Incorporation of his business — which had been placed unbuckled on the driver’s seat, constituted a person, citing the principle of corporate personhood and California's state Vehicle Code, which defines a person as “natural persons and corporations.” This argument was subsequently rejected in Traffic court, which commented thatOct 13 20:22
DaemonFC "Common sense says carrying a sheath of papers in the front seat does not relieve traffic congestion."[44]Oct 13 20:22
DaemonFCLOLOct 13 20:22
SosumilulzOct 13 20:23
MinceRlolOct 13 20:26
MinceRrepublicans do keep claiming that corporations are peopleOct 13 20:27
DaemonFCThe Crown Victoria is the Chuck Norris of cars.Oct 13 20:29
DaemonFCThey stopped improving them in 2004 because there was no way to make them better after that point.Oct 13 20:29
MinceRan overrated fundie?Oct 13 20:29
DaemonFCwell, there's the idiot and the meme.Oct 13 20:29
DaemonFCyou know?Oct 13 20:29
DaemonFC:)Oct 13 20:29
MinceRyes, there's the idiot and the meme about the idiotOct 13 20:30
DaemonFCWell, I was referring to the meme.Oct 13 20:30
DaemonFChttp://money.cnn.com/2011/09/15/autos/last_crown_victoria/index.htmOct 13 20:31
TechrightsBot-trmoney.cnn.com | Ford's last Crown Victoria rolls off the line - Sep. 15, 2011  [ http://ur1.ca/fvtle ]Oct 13 20:31
DaemonFCThen they fired everyone at the plant and told them to get their shit and go home.Oct 13 20:31
MinceRChuck Norris does not sleep. He's worrying about gay marriage. Oct 13 20:31
MinceRThere is no chin behind Chuck Norris’ beard. There is only the quivering fear of gay marriage. Oct 13 20:31
DaemonFCI don't see a reason why you discontinue something that's in demand like that.Oct 13 20:32
DaemonFCOther than the government regulations on fuel economy.Oct 13 20:32
MinceRchuck norris believes pi=3Oct 13 20:32
DaemonFCIn Indiana, Pi was 3.14 by law until someone realized that you couldn't fine or imprison a circle for refusing to turn itself into Pac Man.Oct 13 20:33
DaemonFCNot the brightest lawmakers, even by American standards.Oct 13 20:33
DaemonFCbut, they represent the public who voted them inOct 13 20:34
MinceRfundie lawmakers are never brightOct 13 20:34
MinceRif they were bright, they wouldn't be fundiesOct 13 20:34
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DaemonFChttp://www.snopes.com/autos/law/carpool.aspOct 13 21:20
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MinceRDaemonFC: https://ribanc.com/files/tumblr_mg5933T1O11rogwl3o1_1280.jpgOct 13 21:43
SosumihilariousOct 13 21:49
Sosumiwho did that deserves a medalOct 13 21:49
Sosumimust do one with balmer as the rancor monster dead under the metal doorOct 13 22:03
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Sosumior sebsebseb, riding a sandworm from Dune :POct 13 22:04
DaemonFChttp://boingboing.net/2013/10/11/vatican-spells-jesus-wrong-on.htmlOct 13 22:43
TechrightsBot-trboingboing.net | NO TITLE  [ http://ur1.ca/fvu6o ]Oct 13 22:43
DaemonFCMinceR, I just topped off the Vic.Oct 13 22:43
DaemonFCJust to see what mileage I was getting.Oct 13 22:43
DaemonFC22 mpgOct 13 22:43
DaemonFC:)Oct 13 22:43
MinceRlol @ vaticanOct 13 22:44
Sosumivalue added tax in a can?Oct 13 22:45
MinceR:)Oct 13 22:45
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3167704Oct 13 22:46
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MinceR:)Oct 13 22:46
MinceRDaemonFC: did you expect it to not guzzle gas? :>Oct 13 22:47
SosumimacosforgeOct 13 22:49
Sosumiit even tells you hot to stop smokingOct 13 22:49
Sosumihttp://darwinbuild.macosforge.org/trac/ticket/139Oct 13 22:50
TechrightsBot-trdarwinbuild.macosforge.org | #139 (How to quit smoking in a effective way)      – DarwinBuild  [ http://ur1.ca/fvu80 ]Oct 13 22:50
SosumifailOct 13 22:50
MinceRmaybe it's because crApple refuses warranty if you smoke near the idiot boxOct 13 22:50
Sosumimaybe :POct 13 22:50
MinceRor it's just spam :>Oct 13 22:50
Sosumibut it's nice to see some life in the wasteland called macosforgeOct 13 22:51
Sosumithat and the apparently defunct x11 portOct 13 22:53
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/2963359Oct 13 22:53
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Silent Circle  is probably moving to #switzerland for #privacy http://www.forbes.com/sites/parmyolson/2013/08/09/e-mails-big-privacy-problem-qa-with-silent-circle-co-founder-phil-zimmermann/ trend: freedom fighters now escape the USOct 13 22:53
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.forbes.com | E-mail's Big Privacy Problem: Q&A With Silent Circle Co-Founder Phil Zimmermann - Forbes  [ http://ur1.ca/f3tp9 ]Oct 13 22:53
schestowitz_bed2"The Swiss will give up anything asked for if it comes to the crunch, it's the only reason they are still independent"Oct 13 22:53
Sosumimac in academia is finally dead = br00liant!Oct 13 22:54
DaemonFCRyan Farmer Without men, civilization would continue until the next oil change was needed.Oct 13 23:07
DaemonFCLike · Reply · a few seconds agoOct 13 23:07
DaemonFC<MinceR> DaemonFC: did you expect it to not guzzle gas? :>Oct 13 23:07
DaemonFCGuzzle gas? 21 mpg is awesome for mostly city driving with a 4.6 V8.Oct 13 23:08
DaemonFCIt's getting better mileage than my Taurus.Oct 13 23:08
MinceRwell yes, for a 4.6 V8Oct 13 23:08
DaemonFCMinceR, Smaller engines can actually be less efficient in some cases.Oct 13 23:08
MinceRyet apparently they aren't :>Oct 13 23:09
DaemonFCLike when you're trying to accelerate quickly and they're struggling to do it.Oct 13 23:09
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DaemonFCSold the Taurus.Oct 14 02:55
DaemonFCI have money now. Yay!Oct 14 02:55
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schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3170328Oct 14 08:28
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Size of Africa in perspective https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_50ec65581e66f2c000c2.pngOct 14 08:28
schestowitz_bed2"They could have left off Spain and France had they included Alaska."Oct 14 08:28
schestowitz_bed2But Alaska - like both Canada and Russia - is scarcely populated and barely inhabitable  half the year.Oct 14 08:29
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3165178Oct 14 08:30
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: You know the world is going in the wrong direction when 1984 is no longer fiction and people can no longer ridicule RMS without challenge.Oct 14 08:30
schestowitz_bed2"Sir... I challenge you to a duel of fisticuffs, behind the servants quarters, henceforth!"Oct 14 08:30
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MinceRr4wrOct 14 09:27
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iophkMaybe they've been hiring too many from M$Oct 14 10:43
iophkhttp://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2425512,00.aspOct 14 10:43
TechrightsBot-trwww.pcmag.com | iPhone 5s Users Seeing 'Blue Screen of Death' | News & Opinion  | PCMag.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fvymj ]Oct 14 10:43
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iophkhttp://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/apple/iphone/10376845/iPhone-5s-users-report-Blue-Screen-Of-Death-crashes.htmlOct 14 10:49
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iophkhttp://torrentfreak.com/fact-releases-video-of-file-sharing-site-home-visit-and-domain-grab-131014/Oct 14 10:53
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iophkThis is so much harder with T B-L on the wrong side of the fight.Oct 14 10:57
iophkhttp://blogs.computerworlduk.com/open-enterprise/2013/10/tim-berners-lee-on-why-html5-needs-drm/index.htmOct 14 10:57
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iophkhttp://ia801008.us.archive.org/7/items/OhioLinuxfest2013/Oct 14 11:17
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iophkhttp://ia801008.us.archive.org/7/items/OhioLinuxfest2013/16-Ian_Santopietro-BIOS_UEFI.spxOct 14 12:03
iophkSeveral of the presentations seem to be practicing appeasement towards M$.  No one seems to learn from watching what has happened in the past to everyone else who tried that.Oct 14 12:04
MinceRhttp://i.crackedcdn.com/phpimages/photoshop/2/6/0/209260_slide.jpgOct 14 12:04
iophkI once preached peaceful coexistence with Windows. You may laugh at my expense. I deserve it." Oct 14 12:05
iophkhttp://www.itpro.co.uk/624070/haiku-reason-to-believeOct 14 12:05
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iophkhttp://www.birdhouse.org/beos/byte/30-bootloader/Oct 14 12:05
TechrightsBot-trwww.birdhouse.org | He Who Controls the Bootloader  [ http://ur1.ca/gdhk ]Oct 14 12:05
iophkThe guy from System76 should know better, especially given how little UEFI really does for actual security.Oct 14 12:06
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iophkhttp://ia801008.us.archive.org/7/items/OhioLinuxfest2013/19-Jon_maddog_Hall-GNU_Linux_Around_the_World.spxOct 14 13:06
iophkMaddog's talk is interesting but I can't help but notice that he misses RMS point on differentiating between trademark, copyright and patents.  Oct 14 13:08
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schestowitz_bed2Interewsting bio, CNET there a;sp" https://www.linkedin.com/profile/view?id=5516664&authType=name&authToken=tCY-&trk=miniprofile-primary-view-buttonOct 14 13:43
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schestowitz_bed2https://twitter.com/hgfernan/status/389747753200254976Oct 14 14:45
TechrightsBot-tr@hgfernan: .@schestowitz The nomination of #techrights for https://t.co/WMkAutML93 is much deserved. Good luck !Oct 14 14:45
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iophkhttp://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-10/14/brazil-email-nsahttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2300375/edward-snowden-says-the-nsa-is-hurting-the-usOct 14 16:09
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iophkhttp://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2300375/edward-snowden-says-the-nsa-is-hurting-the-usOct 14 16:09
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iophkhttp://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-10/14/brazil-email-nsaOct 14 16:09
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.co.uk | Brazilian President tweets about new national email, continues anti-NSA rhetoric (Wired UK)  [ http://ur1.ca/fw0ls ]Oct 14 16:09
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iophkhttp://www.france24.com/en/20131014-radiation-experts-confirm-polonium-arafat-clothingOct 14 20:14
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MinceRhttp://op-co.de/blog/posts/android_ssl_downgrade/Oct 14 23:36
TechrightsBot-trop-co.de | Why Android SSL was downgraded from AES256-SHA to RC4-MD5 in late 2010  [ http://ur1.ca/fw3c5 ]Oct 14 23:36
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DaemonFCRyan FarmerOct 15 03:59
DaemonFCSaw the funniest thing in my life at Walmart tonight. Some guy in a NICE Ford F-350 was honking at Dave and me to get out of his way. When we got to the door, he revved up the engine, peeled out, and turned right into a parking lot post. I heard him shout "F***!".Oct 15 03:59
DaemonFCThen he backed up, and hit it again, and busted out his rear window.Oct 15 03:59
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amarsh04http://www.wired.com/opinion/2013/10/a-necessary-evil-what-it-takes-for-democracy-to-survive-surveillance/Oct 15 04:59
TechrightsBot-trwww.wired.com | Stallman: How Much Surveillance Can Democracy Withstand? | Wired Opinion | Wired.com  [ http://ur1.ca/fw4y7 ]Oct 15 04:59
Sosumihum? democracy?Oct 15 05:29
Sosumidemocracy is despostism, the majority vs the minorityOct 15 05:30
Sosuminothing beats the good old republicOct 15 05:30
DaemonFCThat guy that wrecked his truck at Walmart still has me giggling.Oct 15 05:32
SosumiwalwartOct 15 05:53
SosumilolOct 15 05:53
Sosumihttp://t.co/hZo2rN8QViOct 15 06:09
TechrightsBot-tr@jaredbkeller: This week's @BW cover: unmasking the identity of a Chinese hacker http://t.co/bGkHVY6K | http://t.co/k9JyGkyWOct 15 06:09
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.businessweek.com | A Chinese Hacker's Identity Unmasked - BusinessweekOct 15 06:10
Sosumimeanwhile in the real worldOct 15 06:10
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/yep-the-nsa-is-grabbing-your-address-book-contact-lists-too/Oct 15 06:11
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Yep, the NSA is grabbing your address book, contact lists too | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fw5ba ]Oct 15 06:11
Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/govt-moves-to-keep-nsa-surveillance-lawsuit-away-from-supreme-court/Oct 15 06:11
TechrightsBot-trarstechnica.com | Gov’t moves to keep NSA surveillance lawsuit away from Supreme Court | Ars Technica  [ http://ur1.ca/fw5bb ]Oct 15 06:11
DaemonFCSosumi, He actually hit that pole three different times in his $50,000 truck.Oct 15 07:00
DaemonFCbusted out a window and left a pile of glass next to the post.Oct 15 07:01
DaemonFCAt least a dozen people were staring at him and laughing.Oct 15 07:01
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iophkhttp://mrpogson.com/2013/10/14/two-teats-on-ms-cash-cow-dry-up/Oct 15 07:19
TechrightsBot-trmrpogson.com | Two Teats On M$’s Cash-cow Dry Up  |   Robert Pogson  [ http://ur1.ca/fw5k9 ]Oct 15 07:19
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3174539Oct 15 07:19
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: UK Ministry of Defence seeks to counter growing opposition to war https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/10/14/mod-o14.html the threat of peace leads to war on peaceOct 15 07:19
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.wsws.org | UK Ministry of Defence seeks to counter growing opposition to war - World Socialist Web Site  [ http://ur1.ca/fw5ka ]Oct 15 07:19
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 15 07:21
schestowitz_bed2WAR - the Elites only means of grabbing other peoples land and resources.Oct 15 07:21
schestowitz_bed2Those other peoples land they grab are not just for 1000 elite though - the land should be divided among the many - but it goes to the few - who then sell it back at massive profits to bankers ...... who then distribute the gains as loans ....... demanding more profits on lands and resources stolen from the very people that together owned all of these lands and resources ..... what went wrong with how people let this happen ......Oct 15 07:21
schestowitz_bed2. the rule of law and force is still kicking people indigenous people off their own lands.Oct 15 07:21
schestowitz_bed2Look for any indigenous people left and look at how the elite seem to target them ....... not on our behalf surely ....... the only self sustaining people left on the planet and we need to move them on .... off their lands with any means possible ..........Oct 15 07:21
schestowitz_bed2The people are coming to realize that any WAR is actually now self destructive and just aims at lower class working people.Oct 15 07:21
schestowitz_bed2Just as it always did ....... but the History Cycles are slowly but surely showing a trend of transferring the wealth of our own lands to the very rich ........ who we now are starting to see their own GREED is endless ,,,,,,,, just one more war .........Oct 15 07:21
schestowitz_bed2Go on - we Billionaires cannot survive without one more WAROct 15 07:21
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 15 07:21
schestowitz_bed2War on war is terrorism now.Oct 15 07:21
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3172738Oct 15 07:22
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The only "Supreme" thing about the SCOTUS is that it protects the Supreme (multinational mega-corporations) from the majority.Oct 15 07:22
schestowitz_bed2"But none of that has anything to do with how SCOTUS operates: they aren't pro- or anti-Big Business; they interpret the law as it's written by congress. Congress is certainly pro-Big Business, but that's got nothing to do with SCOTUS, nor is SCOTUS in a position to fix it."Oct 15 07:22
schestowitz_bed2"Individual Justices certainly can be pro-Big business. Many of them have worked for America's biggest businesses. They're not super-people that don't have philosophical biases, otherwise there wouldn't be arguments over who is being nominated for the Supreme Court. There's arguments over nominations precisely because people know they will take that with them to the Court."Oct 15 07:23
schestowitz_bed2"Of course individual justices can have biases. But that's not what the OP said."Oct 15 07:23
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3172740Oct 15 07:24
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The world needs some good leaks from the SCOTUS and DOJ. Any whistleblowers to come forth?Oct 15 07:24
schestowitz_bed2"Brad, there have been a great number of leaks surrounding the Supreme Court in history. There have been many notable occasions in which decisions were leaked before they were officially made. Roe v. Wade, the recent Affordable Care Act decision, you just need to look for them and they are there. There is nothing special about the way the court "works" that makes it immune to leaks."Oct 15 07:24
iophkhttps://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/10/insecurities_in.htmlOct 15 07:24
TechrightsBot-trwww.schneier.com | Schneier on Security: Insecurities in the Linux /dev/random  [ http://ur1.ca/fw5l3 ]Oct 15 07:24
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 15 07:25
schestowitz_bed2I didn't say that there was anything in the court making it immune to leaks.Oct 15 07:25
schestowitz_bed2SCOTUS leaks about pending cases aren't the juicy gossip the OP was talking about, I suspect he means something more salacious, conspiratorial, or criminal. And the justices, while certainly colorful, don't work that way. They don't need to: They're lifetime appointee legal scholars; people don't come much duller. They have no remaining aspirations beyond writing decisions: they've achieved the pinnacle for their profession. ThereOct 15 07:25
schestowitz_bed2s not much to leak, and little value that hasn't been speculated to death ahead of time. What would a whistleblower uncover?Oct 15 07:25
schestowitz_bed2I've read biographies of half a dozen justices and a big day for most of them involves reading a different newspaper in the morning.Oct 15 07:25
schestowitz_bed2Maybe some of the clerks, but they're pretty uptight too. Insider trading is about the only thing that could come of it. Yawn.Oct 15 07:25
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 15 07:25
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 15 07:25
schestowitz_bed2Respectfully, I don't think you're thinking this through very well. A "bombshell" SCOTUS leak could, for instance, be a letter or email between a Justice and, say a past business associate whose company or a company they have an investment in that has a case before the Court.Oct 15 07:25
schestowitz_bed2Conflict of interest would be the biggest thing that comes to my mind. Or perhaps a Justice being lobbied, which is illegal. What if information was leaked about Justices writing private correspondence containing their opinions on the PATRIOT ACT, or the current state of the FISC? What if a Justice privately wrote a letter expressing their regret at having voted in the majority of Citizens United?Oct 15 07:25
schestowitz_bed2Information like that being made public would certainly have larger ramifications in the political discourse.Oct 15 07:25
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 15 07:25
schestowitz_bed2iophk: postedOct 15 07:28
schestowitz_bed2no randomness means no encryptionOct 15 07:28
iophkAnd trouble even with TCPOct 15 07:28
MinceRit's not exactly "no randomness", thoughOct 15 07:52
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3155208Oct 15 07:53
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Why did #Nvidia cripple its #Linux driver?  http://www.itworld.com/open-source/377696/why-did-nvidia-cripple-its-linux-driver #windowsOct 15 07:53
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.itworld.com | Why did Nvidia cripple its Linux driver?  | ITworld  [ http://ur1.ca/fuzuo ]Oct 15 07:53
schestowitz_bed2"@Dr. Roy Schestowitz: too bad, and shame on them. Really, Shame on them."Oct 15 07:53
MinceRit just means that it will recover relatively slowly from attacksOct 15 07:53
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3172587Oct 15 07:53
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![school](https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/1378879_536906813060786_172615384_n.jpg)Oct 15 07:53
schestowitz_bed2"To answer the question above: we are living in such society. Even when what is written here is true, there are otherthings that are not learned unless we go to school. But, I like this. Resharing. :)"Oct 15 07:53
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3174539Oct 15 07:55
TechrightsBot-tr@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: UK Ministry of Defence seeks to counter growing opposition to war https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013/10/14/mod-o14.html the threat of peace leads to war on peaceOct 15 07:55
TechrightsBot-tr-> www.wsws.org | UK Ministry of Defence seeks to counter growing opposition to war - World Socialist Web Site  [ http://ur1.ca/fw5ka ]Oct 15 07:55
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 15 07:55
schestowitz_bed2It is going to take another 10 years to calm down and only then if people start to realize that it is not for the people.Oct 15 07:55
schestowitz_bed2Poor people die ........... poor people die ............ poor people die.Oct 15 07:55
schestowitz_bed2How many Billionaires does it take to screw in a light bulb ....... none ....... they pay others to do any job they want doing - with money they get from the very people doing the jobs in the first place.Oct 15 07:55
schestowitz_bed2Odd World ........Oct 15 07:55
schestowitz_bed2"Oct 15 07:56
MinceRrich people die too :>Oct 15 07:56
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iophkhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/15/gates_zuckerberg_to_offer_free_coding_lessons/Oct 15 08:10
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | Gates, Zuckerberg, to deliver free coding lesson • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/fw5st ]Oct 15 08:10
MinceRlike i wanted to learn coding from people who have no idea about itOct 15 08:11
MinceRthey should deliver free thieving lessons insteadOct 15 08:11
iophkit's about spreading the lock-inOct 15 08:11
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MinceRgeekingsOct 15 09:17
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iophkhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/15/snowden_nsa_snooping_hurts_our_economy/Oct 15 09:53
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | Snowden: NSA hits Americans in the WALLET – have I got your attention now? • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/fw6a6 ]Oct 15 09:53
iophkhttp://www.theregister.co.uk/2013/10/15/oracle_says_open_source_has_no_place_in_military_apps/Oct 15 09:54
TechrightsBot-trwww.theregister.co.uk | Oracle says open source has no place in military apps • The Register  [ http://ur1.ca/fw6ab ]Oct 15 09:54
iophkDavid A Wheeler or someone else can easily rebut that.Oct 15 09:54
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MinceRno opposition candidates are allowed in a current intermediate election in hungaryOct 15 10:56
MinceRit's just like communismOct 15 10:56
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oiaohmhttp://news.slashdot.org/story/13/10/15/0243230/chinas-state-press-calls-for-building-a-de-americanized-world  This is not good.Oct 15 12:12
TechrightsBot-trnews.slashdot.org | China's State Press Calls For 'Building a De-Americanized World' - Slashdot  [ http://ur1.ca/fw70m ]Oct 15 12:12
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iophkoiaohm: it's backlash from the last 2 administrationsOct 15 12:38
oiaohmiophk: this plan has been talked about for a while.Oct 15 12:39
oiaohmiophk: really its not about last 2 administrations.Oct 15 12:40
oiaohmiophk: China can win the War against the USA by money.Oct 15 12:40
oiaohmIf USD is removed from major international trades like oil.Oct 15 12:41
oiaohmUSD value can free fall.Oct 15 12:41
iophkWasn't oil threatened to move to the Euro a while back?Oct 15 12:42
oiaohmiophk: yes it was.Oct 15 12:42
oiaohmThe last major USA default.Oct 15 12:42
oiaohmYet the USA has not managed to pay back a single cent but now is even deeper in debt.Oct 15 12:42
iophkEventually there will be no new lenders, everyone will be maxed out.Oct 15 12:43
iophkThen the debt-based economy will implodeOct 15 12:43
iophkAlso, isn't the yuan still tied to the dollar?Oct 15 12:43
oiaohmiophk: there are no more lenders that can lend the USA enough money.Oct 15 12:43
oiaohmyuan is not tied to the dollar Oct 15 12:43
iophkwithout further lending the current system collapsesOct 15 12:44
iophkthere shouldn't have been unsustainable borrowing in the first placeOct 15 12:44
oiaohmiophk: the yuan was unlocked from the USD in 2010Oct 15 12:45
oiaohmYes the last debt screw up.Oct 15 12:45
iophkAnd too much money has been used to bail out unprofitable business modelsOct 15 12:46
oiaohmiophk: it was the EU that put forward the EURO for oil but did not get china support.Oct 15 12:46
iophkWhy does the government owe certain businesses a guaranteed profit regardless of performance or relevancy to the current market?Oct 15 12:46
oiaohmiophk: this is why I say not good.Oct 15 12:46
oiaohmWe now have the EU and China thinking something simlar.Oct 15 12:46
oiaohmNow if they can come up with a unified agreement USA is in the crapper.Oct 15 12:46
iophkBoth thinking something similar at the same time, nowOct 15 12:47
iophkBush's policies, continued by Obama, have been driving everything and everyone away. Oct 15 12:47
oiaohmThey are not in 100 percent agreement yet.Oct 15 12:47
iophkThat's a cut into research, which means 10 −20 years from now a cut in profits.Oct 15 12:47
oiaohmUSA will lose a lot of things.Oct 15 12:48
oiaohmThink about all the payments to farmers not to grow crops and other stupid things.Oct 15 12:48
iophkBy losing researchers they are losing research centers.Oct 15 12:48
oiaohmLike the massive unsold supplied of grains.Oct 15 12:48
iophkThat topples them from world dominance.Oct 15 12:48
oiaohmUSA could do quite a big firesale.Oct 15 12:48
oiaohmThat would cause a fairly large international mess.Oct 15 12:49
iophkThere are large groups intent on cultivating 3rd world-like conditions inside the US.Oct 15 12:49
iophkLargely they are succeedingOct 15 12:49
oiaohmEven doing the firesale the use cannot get enough money.Oct 15 12:49
iophkThen you have business ideologies built around tear-down and bankruptcy.Oct 15 12:49
oiaohmHeck 2012 the USA was 222 trillion in the read.Oct 15 12:49
iophkNow they are applied to governance, like in Detroit.Oct 15 12:49
oiaohmread/redOct 15 12:49
oiaohmJust paying 1 percent on 222 trillion is not simple.Oct 15 12:50
oiaohmiophk: $52,882.39 per USA citOct 15 12:51
iophkhttp://www.nytimes.com/2013/08/22/us/politics/us-median-income-rises-but-is-still-6-below-its-2007-peak.html?_r=0Oct 15 12:52
TechrightsBot-trmyaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times  [ http://ur1.ca/fw79l ]Oct 15 12:52
iophk"Although median annual household income rose to $52,100 in June"Oct 15 12:52
iophkThat debt is larger than the median annual income.Oct 15 12:53
iophkOf course there is also the issue of large corporations not paying much if anythingOct 15 12:53
oiaohmiophk: yep that is why it equals screwed.Oct 15 12:53
oiaohmAustralia is $17,165.49 per cit.Oct 15 12:53
oiaohmBad but workable.Oct 15 12:54
oiaohmIt would be possible to tax the hell out of Australia for a year and require all it debt.Oct 15 12:54
oiaohmiophk: basically the magic line in sand is adverage house hold income.Oct 15 12:55
iophkWhat if M$ payed tax?  Then schools and universities could be funded so that skilled engineers can be produced, ending the whine about the "need" for H1B1Oct 15 12:55
oiaohmiophk: Australia population dispoable income a year is $36 082 per person.Oct 15 12:56
MinceRm$ would still cause more damage than the tax it paysOct 15 12:56
oiaohmiophk: basically disposable being the ammount of income that you don't need to live.Oct 15 12:56
iophkagreedOct 15 12:56
iophkbut while it still exists it should be paying taxesOct 15 12:57
oiaohmiophk: so Australia debt level is still fine.Oct 15 12:57
oiaohmIts possible for us to pay it.Oct 15 12:57
oiaohmUSA cits so screwed not funny.Oct 15 12:57
oiaohmiophk: the debt level partly explains the massive work in the USA mil to move key systems off Windows to Linux.Oct 15 12:59
oiaohmiophk: once national debt is high enough governement cannot print more money unless it want to go into free fall.Oct 15 13:00
iophkAFAIK the government is buried deep into M$ and unable to get out.Oct 15 13:00
iophkYears ago the Navy was supposed to move to "open systems" but look where they are now still.Oct 15 13:00
MinceRthey could get out if they wantedOct 15 13:00
MinceRthey would eventually have their software rewritten anywayOct 15 13:01
oiaohmIn fact core systems are being rewritten.Oct 15 13:03
oiaohmProblem it they left it to the 11 hour ie last year.Oct 15 13:03
oiaohmTo start./Oct 15 13:03
oiaohmIn fact what is happening the USA should send a wake up call to a lot of countries.Oct 15 13:04
oiaohmCore systems cannot be dependant on payment to operation.Oct 15 13:04
iophkMoving away from M$ will save a hell of a lot in the server centers.  It will allow great consolidation of hardware.Oct 15 13:05
oiaohmiophk: read the write ups on the USA governement clouds.Oct 15 13:07
oiaohmiophk: Linux Linux and more LinuxOct 15 13:07
iophkAbout time.Oct 15 13:07
oiaohmiophk: desktops are still window ish with look at android.Oct 15 13:07
iophkMany areas could benefit from LTSPOct 15 13:07
oiaohmMicrosoft is dependant on MS Office holding.Oct 15 13:08
iophkeither with RaspberryPi desktops or with Userful's own hardware.Oct 15 13:08
oiaohmLinux is evolving.Oct 15 13:08
oiaohmwork on wayland will bring multiseat in as a standard feature.Oct 15 13:08
oiaohmNot a special feature.Oct 15 13:08
iophkmultiseat can be combined with LTSPOct 15 13:20
iophkcuts way back on noise and power consumption and maintenanceOct 15 13:21
oiaohmiophk: multiseat is many form factors.Oct 15 13:30
oiaohmall cut back power consumption and maintaince.Oct 15 13:31
oiaohmLTSP is only 1 of the many form factors.Oct 15 13:31
iophkYes even ditching Windows lowers CPU load (and probably GPU), which adds up for megasites.Oct 15 13:35
Sosumimeh nvidiaOct 15 14:35
Sosumithey even make it run the marathon to get cuda running with up to date releasesOct 15 14:36
Sosumiinstead of supporting the latest releases, like fedora 19Oct 15 14:36
Sosumior even back in the previous cuda toolkit, fedora 16 was the officialy supported releaseOct 15 14:37
Sosuminvidia has better CUDA support for OSX than it has for linux, despite that almost no mac, except the imac, comes with nvidia gpusOct 15 14:39
Sosuminot even the last 2 revisions came with nvidia by defaultOct 15 14:40
Sosumiso yeah, nvidia, FUOct 15 14:40
Sosumi*last 2 revisions of the mac proOct 15 14:42
Sosumiand RMS branding Steve Jobs a "malign influence" when he diedOct 15 14:46
Sosumiwell, just look at the general laptop before the crApple hype and look at them nowOct 15 14:46
Sosumiat exception of the gaming laptops/mobile workstationsOct 15 14:47
Sosumithe other machines, because they try to mimick the mackrook pro form factorOct 15 14:47
Sosumithey also get the problems of insuficient coolingOct 15 14:47
SosumiI didn't have that kind of problems on my compaq armada from 2000 and somethingsOct 15 14:48
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iophkhttp://source.android.com/source/licenses.htmlOct 15 15:29
TechrightsBot-trsource.android.com | Licenses | Android Developers  [ http://ur1.ca/3yq2t ]Oct 15 15:29
iophk"For userspace (that is, non-kernel) software, we do in fact prefer ASL2.0 (and similar licenses like BSD, MIT, etc.) over other licenses such as LGPL."Oct 15 15:46
MinceRnot newOct 15 15:48
iophkyes, it's old Oct 15 15:54
iophkThe more I see of Android the less open it seems to be.Oct 15 15:55
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Sosumihttp://www.autofans.pt/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/Carro_GPL.jpgOct 15 16:01
SosumiGPL, the gold standardOct 15 16:01
MinceR:)Oct 15 16:02
MinceRknown elsewhere as "LPG"Oct 15 16:02
Sosumi:)Oct 15 16:02
schestowitz_bed2http://linuxlock.blogspot.co.uk/2013/10/new-user-barrier-to-linux-i-think-i.htmlOct 15 17:13
TechrightsBot-trlinuxlock.blogspot.co.uk | The Blog of Helios: New User Barrier To Linux - I Think I Found The Problem....  [ http://ur1.ca/fw8mx ]Oct 15 17:13
schestowitz_bed2"Facebook...be there or be square."Oct 15 17:13
schestowitz_bed2And massive FB logoOct 15 17:13
schestowitz_bed2pro-Linux blog saying if you're not on FB (CIA informants) you're /"square"Oct 15 17:14
iophkAlso he should have stuck with packaged applications.Oct 15 17:51
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iophkThere's never a good reason to lead new users away from pre-packaged applications.  If it's not in the repository, then it's not available (for them)Oct 15 17:51
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MinceRi guess he'll be happy with an OS that couldn't get USB support right by 2013Oct 15 19:00
MinceRi guess that's good enough for himOct 15 19:00
schestowitz_bed2https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3174849Oct 15 19:03
TechrightsBot-tr@linux@joindiaspora.com: The Poetterisation of GNU/Linux http://slated.org/the_poetterisation_of_gnu_linuxOct 15 19:03
TechrightsBot-tr-> slated.org | The Poetterisation of GNU/Linux | Slated  [ http://ur1.ca/fw9bv ]Oct 15 19:03
schestowitz_bed2"This character seems to want to get rid of all non-programming linux users and usher in a utopia of the True Unix Way by also getting rid of all developers who do not follow it. So basically he's a hipster."Oct 15 19:04
iophk"they not only bring with them their indoctrinated expectations, misguided ideologies and flawed methods, but worse still they actually implement them, thus destroying GNU/Linux from within."Oct 15 19:09
iophkReally afraid of LibreOffice and/or Chromebooks : http://www.informationweek.com/software/enterprise-applications/microsoft-free-office-365-for-students/240162633Oct 15 19:40
TechrightsBot-trwww.informationweek.com | Microsoft: Free Office 365 For Students - Software - Enterprise  [ http://ur1.ca/fw9j0 ]Oct 15 19:40
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Sosumiyes, yes someone talking sanity on that Slated articleOct 15 20:51
Sosumihttp://slated.org/a_fool_and_his_moneyOct 15 21:13
TechrightsBot-trslated.org | A Fool and His Money | SlatedOct 15 21:13
Sosumiare soon partedOct 15 21:13
Sosumi:)Oct 15 21:13
Sosumiactually, many games nowadays equals chasing a carrot on a stick while you being the horseOct 15 21:13
Sosumidlc, too much farming, unlocks...Oct 15 21:14
Sosumifree dlc in case of pre-ordering and the list goes onOct 15 21:15
Sosumibut anyways, the gods only need one game and that's quake 3Oct 15 21:15
MinceRi prefer xonoticOct 15 21:16
MinceR(and free software (code and assets) fps-es in general)Oct 15 21:17
Sosumiyeah, I'm seeing it nowOct 15 21:17
Sosumibut I really don't play any games at allOct 15 21:17
Sosumiuniversity gets the most out of meOct 15 21:17
MinceRnowadays i find little time to playOct 15 21:17
MinceRwork and personal projects take my energy :>Oct 15 21:18
SosumiI don't even have a single game here at my apartmentOct 15 21:19
Sosumibut I do like when I manage to go home at some special weekendOct 15 21:19
Sosumiyou know, like those preceded by an holydayOct 15 21:20
Sosumito fire my quad g5 and go blow thingsOct 15 21:20
Sosumion quake 3 or ut2k4Oct 15 21:21
Sosumibut outside of those fast paced games I really don't like anything elseOct 15 21:21
MinceR:)Oct 15 21:21
Sosumiand for storys, well I'd rather read a book, that is not fictionOct 15 21:22
Sosumialthough I have to admit that I enjoyed a lot Eternal Darkness on the game cubeOct 15 21:22
Sosumiand actually asked my grandparents the thing just to play that gameOct 15 21:22
SosumiI was 13 at the time -good times-Oct 15 21:23
Sosumiwell and got the original xbox just to play shemue 2Oct 15 21:24
Sosumishamefully, I should have gotten the dreamcast insteadOct 15 21:24
Sosumiat least I would have been able to play the first shemmueOct 15 21:25
MinceRi read both fiction and nonfictionOct 15 21:25
Sosumibut that is because I happen to enjoy bruce lee movies or those early ones with Van DammeOct 15 21:26
SosumiI tend to read nonfiction, but outside of math manuals and computer stuff I tend to go for filosofy and psychologyOct 15 21:26
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Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-10-15/meanwhile-real-world-americans-sell-hair-breast-milk-and-eggs-make-ends-meetOct 15 22:48
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | Meanwhile In The Real World, Americans Sell Hair, Breast Milk And Eggs To Make Ends Meet | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/fwaej ]Oct 15 22:48
Sosumi:(Oct 15 22:48
Sosumihopefully i wont end like in china, where ppl are hunted down and sold in partsOct 15 22:49
Sosumi*itOct 15 22:49
Sosumior maybe it will, in times of financial like these and with degeneracy creeping everywhere...Oct 15 22:50
SosumiI don't really knowOct 15 22:50
Sosumiit was just like 3 days ago, portuguese gov confiscating your 2nd pensionOct 15 22:51
Sosumiso if you worked your entire life and managed to accumulate 2 pensions, one of them goes away like the windOct 15 22:52
Sosumimeanwhile, politicians do a 3 full terms and they get a complete reformOct 15 22:53
Sosumilike if they had worked their entire lifeOct 15 22:53
Sosuminot to mention their sallary while occupying that "venerable" public postOct 15 22:54
Sosumiho and should mention, everything is ok, even through they just stole the damm, pensions, no one lifted a finger or said somethingOct 15 22:57
Sosumithe level of indiference in country is just nauseatingOct 15 22:57
Sosumihttp://davideubank.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/they_livex.jpgOct 15 22:58
Sosumijust as everyone believes what the man in between vomits (media=mediator)Oct 15 22:59
Sosumiin the real world, unemployment in portugal predicted to reach 23.3% by 2015Oct 15 23:00
Sosumikewl,Oct 15 23:00
Sosumiand I did alert some of the folks I knew, they'd be coming for the pensions hereOct 15 23:01
Sosumifollowed polland confiscating half of their pension fundsOct 15 23:02
Sosumihttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-09-06/poland-confiscates-half-private-pension-funds-cut-sovereign-debt-loadOct 15 23:03
TechrightsBot-trwww.zerohedge.com | Poland Confiscates Half Of Private Pension Funds To "Cut" Sovereign Debt Load | Zero Hedge  [ http://ur1.ca/fwahb ]Oct 15 23:03
Sosumiconfiscate funds -> cut debt to gdp -> issue more debtOct 15 23:03
Sosumibrooliant! who ever came up with that deserves a nobel piss prize in watheverOct 15 23:04
Sosumiwell, not to mention that former portuguese prime minister socrates sold government owned buildings and 3 public hospitalsOct 15 23:05
Sosumionly to rent them back, thus hiding the debt burdenOct 15 23:05
Sosumiagain another brooliant dealOct 15 23:06
Sosumimeanwhile the rich guys that the con man (politicians) always talks about taxing and this or thatOct 15 23:07
Sosumihas his money in non profit foundations, which can't be taxedOct 15 23:07
Sosumiso the rich guys paying for everything ends up being those earning the misery of 2000€ a month sallaryOct 15 23:08
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DaemonFCHave my car scheduled to go back into the shop tomorrow.Oct 16 01:19
DaemonFCTransmission flush and spark plugs and wires.Oct 16 01:19
DaemonFCI flushed the coolant and replaced a bad relay for the rear window defroster yesterday.Oct 16 01:20
DaemonFCAuto Zone had the coolant and flush solvents on sale.Oct 16 01:20
DaemonFCSo I used Peak Extended Life. It says 5 years/150,000 miles.Oct 16 01:21
DaemonFCWhen the car had been off for several hours, I took my garden hose sprayer and cleaned out the radiator grill. :POct 16 01:21
DaemonFCdead bugs and crap get in there over timeOct 16 01:21
DaemonFChttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RAUfJi8ijCoOct 16 03:20
DaemonFCLOLOct 16 03:20
TechrightsBot-trwww.youtube.com | Lexx - 791 Dance - YouTube  [ http://ur1.ca/fwbom ]Oct 16 03:20
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