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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer "I like my beer cold...my TV loud...and my homosexuals flaming." --Homer Simpson | Nov 10 01:08 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer That's another thing we desperately need to evict from the Democratic Party. Copyright lobbyists. If Biden and his buddies had their way, we'd have "forever minus one day" already. It's bad enough that their jackbooted thugs are stealing websites and harassing people like Kim Dotcom and Aaron Swartz. This copyright monster has only been getting worse since the DMCA was passed. | Nov 10 01:20 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Nov 10 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | 26 seconds ago · Edited | Nov 10 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | Not only is AXE body spray not a shower in a can, it creates an overpowering stench all by itself. It's like spraying yourself down with urinal cake. | Nov 10 01:41 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 10 02:08 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3268274 | Nov 10 03:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Upgrading on a budget: Running Linux on a refurbished laptop and docking station http://www.zdnet.com/upgrading-on-a-budget-running-linux-on-a-refurbished-laptop-and-docking-station-7000022747/ #gnu #linux | Nov 10 03:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.zdnet.com | Upgrading on a budget: Running Linux on a refurbished laptop and docking station | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/g0brh ] | Nov 10 03:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 10 03:25 |
| schestowitz | Yes, that's how I bought my last two laptops and docking stations rock. He's going to love discovering that you can attach and detatch without rebooting and have all the hardware recognized. My docking station has a button for detatch that sends the OS a signal, but attach is as easy as opening the laptop to wake it up from sleep and cramming it on. KRandRtray does a good job of managing screens and KDE is supposed to remember your | Nov 10 03:25 |
| schestowitz | preferences for particular external monitors. Docking stations are something I only really started using and appreciating when I took my current job that requires me to migrate between two offices. They worked for my X30 and for my X61s. | Nov 10 03:25 |
| schestowitz | http://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/desktop/2011_08_19-saving_the_right_deskspace/index.html http://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/desktop/2012_01_23-e16_multi_monitor_howto/index.html http://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/2013/2013_11_04-krandrtray-left_hand_big_screen/ | Nov 10 03:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | 173.20.223.180 | Tall Screen [ http://ur1.ca/g0brk ] | Nov 10 03:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 10 03:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | 173.20.223.180 | Multiple Monitors with E16 in Wheezy [ http://ur1.ca/g0brl ] | Nov 10 03:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | 173.20.223.180 | Index of pictures [ http://ur1.ca/g0brm ] | Nov 10 03:25 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3206441 | Nov 10 03:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Introducing Kwheezy 1.2 http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20131021#feature #kde #kwheezy #gnu #linux | Nov 10 03:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. [ http://ur1.ca/fxlgs ] | Nov 10 03:26 |
| schestowitz | 'Kwheezy didn't work for me on Hp notebook." | Nov 10 03:26 |
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| DaemonFC | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Pear-OS-8-Could-Arrive-on-Microsoft-Surface-Tablet-398758.shtml | Nov 10 07:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | news.softpedia.com | Pear OS 8 Could Arrive for Microsoft Surface Tablet [ http://ur1.ca/g0ces ] | Nov 10 07:16 |
| DaemonFC | How do you get that to work? Don't those have Restricted Boot. | Nov 10 07:16 |
| DaemonFC | err ? | Nov 10 07:16 |
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| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/11/09/dutch-cyber-security-centre-points-to-gnulinux-to-replace-xp/ | Nov 10 07:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | Dutch Cyber Security Centre Points To GNU/Linux To Replace XP | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/g0chh ] | Nov 10 07:39 |
| DaemonFC | Why Debian? | Nov 10 07:43 |
| iophk | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/11/msg00410.html | Nov 10 07:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | lists.debian.org | Why Debian [ http://ur1.ca/g0chz ] | Nov 10 07:44 |
| iophk | ? | Nov 10 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | Too conservative. They also have too many derivatives that are detracting from the GNU/Linux one. | Nov 10 07:45 |
| iophk | stack ranking now at Yahoo. The damage continues. | Nov 10 07:54 |
| iophk | http://allthingsd.com/20131108/because-marissa-said-so-yahoos-bristle-at-mayers-new-qpr-ranking-system-and-silent-layoffs/ | Nov 10 07:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | allthingsd.com | "Because Marissa Said So" -- Yahoos Bristle at Mayer's New QPR Ranking - Kara Swisher - News - AllThingsD [ http://ur1.ca/g0cix ] | Nov 10 07:54 |
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| iophk | oldish - http://conferences.sigcomm.org/imc/2011/docs/p171.pdf | Nov 10 08:21 |
| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/european-parliament-considers-decriminalizing-file-sharing-131109/ | Nov 10 10:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | European Parliament Members Explore Decriminalizing File-Sharing | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/g08ah ] | Nov 10 10:08 |
| DaemonFC | "Giving the Linus Torvalds Award to the Free Software Foundation is a bit like giving the Han Solo Award to the Rebel Fleet. " | Nov 10 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Nov 10 10:34 |
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| Sosumi | the problem is that Han Solo doesn't need any award | Nov 10 11:05 |
| Sosumi | he got the princess | Nov 10 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | and a bunch of money | Nov 10 11:11 |
| Sosumi | yep, that too | Nov 10 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz has a problem with Lennart Poettering? | Nov 10 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | systemd and pulseaudio are free | Nov 10 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://techrights.org/2013/11/09/linux-foundation-focus/ | Nov 10 11:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Emphasises Technical Aspects, Not Freedom | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g0d6s ] | Nov 10 11:23 |
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| iophk | http://www.itwire.com/your-it-news/home-it/62189-pc-sales-in-spiralling-death-dive | Nov 10 11:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itwire.com | PC sales in spiralling death dive [ http://ur1.ca/g0da8 ] | Nov 10 11:55 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr9tfPowsMI | Nov 10 12:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Sheldon talks about Raj's pinworms - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/f6h5t ] | Nov 10 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGvKhhuc7BQ | Nov 10 12:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Daft Punk - Get Lucky (Karaoke) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g0ddc ] | Nov 10 12:14 |
| iophk | An interesting take. If tablets and smartphones count as computers, then the media will have to admit to Linux taking off. | Nov 10 12:36 |
| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/11/10/the-pc-industry-is-thriving/ | Nov 10 12:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | The PC Industry Is Thriving | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/g0dg1 ] | Nov 10 12:36 |
| iophk | df -h | Nov 10 12:45 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265565 | Nov 10 12:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ikey Doherty Gets a Great Job by Developing GNU/Linux, But What Does That Mean to Free Software? http://techrights.org/2013/11/08/solusos/ #gnu #linux | Nov 10 12:47 |
| schestowitz | "I'm talking about firmware, drivers and such, Will. Software that enables my computer to do stuff like - turn on, display stuff on the screen, accept input from a keyboard and mouse, etc. My next computer won't need any proprietary software to make it work (I'll get a "Linux-friendly" one), but I don't appreciate being treated like a leper in the FOSS community because I happen to have a machine that requires a few proprietary drivers | Nov 10 12:47 |
| schestowitz | and stuff. Stallman can polish my bat-pole if he doesn't like it." | Nov 10 12:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Ikey Doherty Gets a Great Job by Developing GNU/Linux, But What Does That Mean to Free Software? | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g05he ] | Nov 10 12:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 10 12:48 |
| schestowitz | @Robin - point your aggression into the right direction. | Nov 10 12:48 |
| schestowitz | RMS wants you to have all of your drivers free, open, available, stable and embedded in a GNU/Linux kernel. | Nov 10 12:48 |
| schestowitz | Hardware vendors don't want to open it all up, so they can still control where and to whom they give the specs - and pardon me, but the specs are really the most basic things you can give away. It doesn't hurt anyone to give out the specs. It's just about working together under many different OSs. They can give you the drivers, but they can't give you the specs? something isn't right here. Go figure what. | Nov 10 12:48 |
| schestowitz | So, keeping long things short - blame the bad guys - vendors - and not the good guys - RMS and Co. | Nov 10 12:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 10 12:48 |
| schestowitz | RMS is an important target for those who abuse their power, suggests experience. | Nov 10 12:48 |
| DaemonFC | People in tipped professions should be paid a fair hourly wage by their employer, and the cost should be built into the cost of the goods and/or services. The nature of the tipping system is such that prejudice can be used as excuse for the theft of someone's labor. I tip when it's expected, but I don't like the practice. | Nov 10 12:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/10/25/anti-gay-note-left-restaurant-check-lieu-tip?cmpid=tp-ptnr-alternet | Nov 10 12:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.takepart.com | Anti-Gay Note Left on Restaurant Check in Lieu of Tip [ http://ur1.ca/g0di3 ] | Nov 10 12:49 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3271981 | Nov 10 12:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Linus was asked if the US government ever wanted a backdoor added to Linux. He nodded "yes" while saying "no"." http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/life-forked-road?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+linuxjournalcom+%28Linux+Journal+-+The+Original+Magazine+of+the+Linux+Community%29 | Nov 10 12:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.linuxjournal.com | Life on the Forked Road | Linux Journal [ http://ur1.ca/g0dic ] | Nov 10 12:50 |
| iophk | RMS is a target because of the tradition of attacking the messenger. | Nov 10 12:50 |
| schestowitz | "Just don't use SELinux and other weird stuff and you're basically ok. That's the best advice I can give to people right now when it comes to GNU/Linux and NSA thing." | Nov 10 12:50 |
| schestowitz | iophk: yup | Nov 10 12:51 |
| schestowitz | gtg, bbl | Nov 10 12:51 |
| schestowitz | Got all your links in my browser now | Nov 10 12:51 |
| iophk | ok | Nov 10 12:51 |
| schestowitz | gotta rrush though, wife at the door waiting to leave.. | Nov 10 12:51 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/09/1254476/--15-Minimum-Wage-WINS-by-43-VOTES | Nov 10 14:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.dailykos.com | Daily Kos: $15 Minimum Wage WINS by 43 VOTES [ http://ur1.ca/g0dre ] | Nov 10 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | There's no reason why a $15 an hour minimum wage couldn't work. It's the law in Australia. Somehow, small business exists there. Go figure. In fact, the US has the lowest minimum wage of any country until you start counting the Third World. | Nov 10 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN9FPKai3Ik | Nov 10 14:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Bill Maher New Rules - When Did Christian Values Change From Love Thy Neighbor to F*ck Off & Die - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g0drz ] | Nov 10 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | "It looks like an actual $10, so you get the benefit of giving poor people hope and then crushing it, but on the back it says 'Some things are worth more than money, like your eternal salvation that was bought and paid for by Jesus going to the cross.'. Yeah, well, Jesus didn't have to put gas in the donkey." | Nov 10 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 10 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | "And beyond that, someone needs to tell these people that not tipping a gay waiter will not make him want to put his penis in a woman. It'll make him want to put his penis in your pasta primavera. " | Nov 10 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Nov 10 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. I'd have to say that if I was a waiter and someone left me a nasty note calling me a faggot and telling me that I wasn't getting a tip, I'd remember them and bring them something "special" next time. | Nov 10 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | I'll never forget the time I pwned my dad in an argument over marriage. | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | It's been about 10 years or so, so I'm a little fuzzy on the exact wording. | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | Dad: "Marriage is designed for a man and a woman so they can have children." | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | Me: "So, you and Jan should get cracking on that." | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | Dad: "Uhhh.... That's not what I meant. You know what I meant!" | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | Me: "Yes, I know you're grasping at straws there, but let's go to the next point. Does the world really need more people?" | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | Dad: "Well, it's not America that's the problem! It's those *OTHER* countries!" | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | Me: "Oh. You mean the undeveloped ones where it takes about twenty people to pollute the world as much each year as one American?" | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | It turns out that people that live primitively don't actually create much garbage or carbon dioxide emissions! It takes a country like the United States, where everyone has a car or two, central air, televisions, computers, etc. and the food is so overpackaged that you create a couple pounds of non-biodegradable trash every time you cook a meal. If I'm capable of figuring this out, wouldn't you suppose that a man with nine patents and a few | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | advanced college degrees could? | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not one of the people that's responsible for keeping this insanity going. When I die, there won't be anyone to replace me, and there doesn't need to be, because the human race will never be in danger of not reproducing quickly enough, on the whole, to surpass the death rate. | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | And I think that's where the conversation ended. | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | Now, there are those on the far right that really strongly oppose equal marriage rights, but it's because they're hoping that not being able to get married will sabotage LGBT relationships and cause them to fail. Then they can point to LGBT people and say "See! It never works out!". It probably does help people make a split second decision to break up when there's fewer things stopping them from doing it. That's a really wicked thing to do to | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | someone though. If that's what someone is up to, they should be ashamed of themselves. | Nov 10 14:49 |
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| iophk | A little old - http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg220a29415.700-an-oil-crash-is-on-its-way-and-we-should-be-ready.html | Nov 10 15:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.newscientist.com | There has been an error - New Scientist [ http://ur1.ca/g0e1g ] | Nov 10 15:20 |
| MinceR | geekings | Nov 10 15:29 |
| MinceR | what happened to the-source.com? | Nov 10 16:01 |
| iophk | what was it? | Nov 10 16:01 |
| MinceR | a useful blog | Nov 10 16:04 |
| MinceR | for example, it had this: https://web.archive.org/web/20121008021207/http://www.the-source.com/2010/12/mono-unsafe-at-any-speed/ | Nov 10 16:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | web.archive.org | Mono: Unsafe At Any Speed « The-Source.com [ http://ur1.ca/g0e7t ] | Nov 10 16:04 |
| iophk | netcraft has no historic data for it. It seems quite gone. | Nov 10 16:05 |
| MinceR | indeed. | Nov 10 16:05 |
| iophk | http://laboratory.zentyal.org/install-configure-zentyals-technology-preview-of-native-ms-exchange-replacement/ | Nov 10 16:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | laboratory.zentyal.org | Part I: Install & configure Zentyal’s Technology Preview of native MS Exchange replacement | Zentyal Labs [ http://ur1.ca/g0e8y ] | Nov 10 16:12 |
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| DaemonFC | They decided to bulldoze the Sandy Hook Elementary School and build a new one. It got me wondering if they'll do it again if there's a repeat shooting there. There haven't been any changes that will discourage gun violence. It may not happen there again, but it will happen somewhere. I used to own a gun when I lived somewhere that was not safe, but I sold it because I no longer wanted it in my house. I understand why people would want one | Nov 10 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | considering how much the police suck. I don't understand how anyone could *like* having one. | Nov 10 16:43 |
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| iophk | http://blog.feedly.com/2013/11/07/google-authentication/ | Nov 10 18:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | blog.feedly.com | Google+ Authentication [Rolled back!] | Building Feedly [ http://ur1.ca/g0eqa ] | Nov 10 18:17 |
| iophk | "The main lesson we learned here is that user should control how they want to login to login " | Nov 10 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/399612623869988864 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/399612222957441024 | Nov 10 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Tablets and smartphones are PCs!" http://t.co/tmEMbTNZq2 http://t.co/gEWCHFBh9e and they usually come with #linux | Nov 10 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> mrpogson.com | The PC Industry Is Thriving | Robert Pogson | Nov 10 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.itwire.com | PC sales in spiralling death dive | Nov 10 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Dutch Cyber Security Centre Points To GNU/Linux To Replace XP https://t.co/oyVeA96dJq http://t.co/X8L1WSKsD0 | Nov 10 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> joinup.ec.europa.eu | Dutch cyber security centre: Linux suitable for businesses | Joinup | Nov 10 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> mrpogson.com | Dutch Cyber Security Centre Points To GNU/Linux To Replace XP | Robert Pogson | Nov 10 19:02 |
| schestowitz | [16:12] <iophk> http://laboratory.zentyal.org/install-configure-zentyals-technology-preview-of-native-ms-exchange-replacement/ | Nov 10 19:06 |
| schestowitz | thanks, but it's not nre | Nov 10 19:06 |
| schestowitz | *nre | Nov 10 19:06 |
| schestowitz | *new | Nov 10 19:06 |
| iophk | not new but nearing release | Nov 10 19:06 |
| schestowitz | [16:01] <MinceR> what happened to the-source.com? | Nov 10 19:06 |
| schestowitz | ana mono-nono | Nov 10 19:06 |
| schestowitz | I last checked months ago and it had banished | Nov 10 19:07 |
| schestowitz | vanished | Nov 10 19:07 |
| MinceR | :/ | Nov 10 19:07 |
| schestowitz | what remains is in the Web Archive (except the stuff that burned in last week's fire) | Nov 10 19:07 |
| schestowitz | and some blockquotes in techrights | Nov 10 19:07 |
| schestowitz | and jason's hard-drive presumably... | Nov 10 19:07 |
| schestowitz | [14:14] <DaemonFC> There's no reason why a $15 an hour minimum wage couldn't work. It's the law in Australia. Somehow, small business exists there. Go figure. In fact, the US has the lowest minimum wage of any country until you start counting the Third World. | Nov 10 19:08 |
| schestowitz | If ou pay people more, you increase spendings, too | Nov 10 19:08 |
| schestowitz | You can't make an economy work in a vaccum of just credit (debt) cards | Nov 10 19:09 |
| schestowitz | but then again, Australia is also one of the richest Western nations | Nov 10 19:09 |
| MinceR | i had at least one MAFF saved from the-source.com | Nov 10 19:09 |
| MinceR | obviously not everything, though :> | Nov 10 19:09 |
| schestowitz | I think Switzerland is #1, close to tiny nations like Monaco and Luxembourg | Nov 10 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the Vatican, which like the Swiss economy just benefits from a large scam | Nov 10 19:10 |
| iophk | http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/08/youtube-cofounders-first-public-comment-in-8-years-why-the-f-do-i-need-a-google-account-to-comment-on-a-video/ | Nov 10 20:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | venturebeat.com | YouTube cofounder’s first public comment in 8 years: ‘why the f*** do i need a google+ account to comment on a video?’ | VentureBeat [ http://ur1.ca/g0f4z ] | Nov 10 20:02 |
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| Sosumi | I knew it | Nov 10 20:28 |
| Sosumi | portugal's second bailout in being discussed (in secret) | Nov 10 20:28 |
| Sosumi | *is | Nov 10 20:28 |
| Sosumi | way too many excuses and seet talk paving the way | Nov 10 20:29 |
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| Sosumi | to make the announcement not come as a shock | Nov 10 20:29 |
| Sosumi | that or they'll pull a cyprus | Nov 10 20:30 |
| Sosumi | since they're already telling retired to drop dead | Nov 10 20:31 |
| Sosumi | it'll also come as no surprise | Nov 10 20:31 |
| Sosumi | meanwhile bread a circus (beer and football) | Nov 10 20:31 |
| Sosumi | and when few have too much money | Nov 10 20:35 |
| Sosumi | http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1088275_3-4-million-lykan-hypersport-debuts-in-production-trim-at-dubai-motor-show | Nov 10 20:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.motorauthority.com | $3.4 Million Lykan Hypersport Debuts In Production Trim At Dubai Motor Show [ http://ur1.ca/g0f8d ] | Nov 10 20:35 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-10/bitcoin-plunges-25-government-scrutiny-first-btc-fair-value-reco-has-stunning-price- | Nov 10 22:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zerohedge.com | As Bitcoin Plunges 25% On Government Scrutiny, The First BTC "Fair Value" Reco Has A Stunning Price Target | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/g0fmz ] | Nov 10 22:53 |
| Sosumi | and I said it | Nov 10 22:53 |
| Sosumi | it'd go down as fast as it went up | Nov 10 22:53 |
| Sosumi | and to diversify while it was high | Nov 10 22:53 |
| Sosumi | but article is crap | Nov 10 22:54 |
| Sosumi | it's just volatile | Nov 10 22:55 |
| Sosumi | the intelligent move is when it's high, trade it for something else like gold (or toilet paper) | Nov 10 22:55 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 10 23:14 |
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| Sosumi | gn | Nov 11 00:09 |
| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/uk-spies-continue-quantum-insert-attack-via-linkedin-slashdot-pages/#p3 | Nov 11 00:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | November | 2013 | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g0fwh ] | Nov 11 00:10 |
| Sosumi | spoofed linkedin and slashdot sites to serve malware | Nov 11 00:11 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265676 | Nov 11 01:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When it Comes to Trademarks, Canonical is Even Worse Than Novell http://techrights.org/2013/11/08/trademarks-canonical/ #ubuntu #canonical | Nov 11 01:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | When it Comes to Trademarks, Canonical is Even Worse Than Novell | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g05th ] | Nov 11 01:21 |
| schestowitz | "Excuse me? First you are angry because you thought they didn't have a legal ground, now you are angry because they did have one? Do I get you right? Just what should they have done in order to protect their brand? I think we both agree that it would have been better just to do nothing because of the shit storm. But, just for the sake of the argument, what would have been the best way to handle this? What would have been better than a | Nov 11 01:21 |
| schestowitz | polite email?" | Nov 11 01:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 01:23 |
| schestowitz | Jan, fixubuntu.com isn't a product. It's entirely non-profit. This is an important distinction you are ignoring. | Nov 11 01:23 |
| schestowitz | What do you expect Fix Ubuntu to be called, anyway? | Nov 11 01:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 01:23 |
| schestowitz | | | Nov 11 01:23 |
| schestowitz | 'It is not a commercial product but nevertheless it is a ‘product’ name from a trade mark position. I don't know a better name. It a good name. Just not a wise one if you want to be on the save side." | Nov 11 01:23 |
| schestowitz | http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2013/11/08/trademark-aggression.html | Nov 11 01:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ebb.org | Canonical, Ltd.'s Trademark Aggression - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) [ http://ur1.ca/g03rx ] | Nov 11 01:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Bradley Kuhn answered most of what you are saying, Jan P. It's insulting of Canonical to act like a letter from lawyers is "friendly", it's a threat from a well funded company that can make life hard. We can be angry that any court would allow a company to waste people's time and money with a frivolous lawsuit without surrendering the basics of trademark law. Kuhn walks through how the letter asks for something that's not right and how | Nov 11 01:25 |
| schestowitz | they could have asked for it to be fixed in case the world is really filled with idiots. | Nov 11 01:25 |
| schestowitz | It would have been better for Canonical not to bother, not because of the shitstorm but because it was wrong. The world is not full of idiots and no real harm has come to the Ubuntu trademark from this website. Canonical should apologize for the letter and make a change in management that will prevent similar bad decisions in the future. Someone was given responsibility they should not have had and needs oversight. | Nov 11 01:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 01:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 01:26 |
| schestowitz | @Will: Okay, I didn't read all of the linked text, so no comment about that. I am bored by this discussion by now. I don't like it how some people seem to try very hard to see some evil. | Nov 11 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, in reply to what you wrote: Mark Shuttleworth wrote on Google plus: ‘This was a bit silly on our part, sorry.’ He continues: ‘In this case we should just have said “you may use the mark if you say that you are doing so with permission”. I guess a new guy made a bad call, but that happens and there's no point in beating Canonical up over an inadvertent slip.’ In a reply on his post he also writes: ‘Yes, it was one | Nov 11 01:26 |
| schestowitz | person just taking what they thought was a routine action. They are new to Canonical and open source, and our policy on this is unusually open minded, and they were not aware of that in this case. I believe it was an accident and it is unlikely to happen again given the publicity .’ | Nov 11 01:26 |
| schestowitz | So, the trademark has been removed, they have a note saying they are not connected with Canonical, they may keep their domain, shit storm continues. I am tired of this. | Nov 11 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Oh, and this world is full of idiots, don't you ever watch TV? | Nov 11 01:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Even Canonical expresses regrets, and not just because of the backlash. | Nov 11 01:28 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265636 | Nov 11 01:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/canonical-abused-trademark-law-to-target-a-site-critical-of-ubuntu-privacy/ #ubuntu #canonical #privacy | Nov 11 01:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g01vv ] | Nov 11 01:39 |
| schestowitz | "Yes they did, Jan. Since you seem to be unable to read the effing email yourself instead of just repeating Canonical talking points I'll quote it for you: It has been brought to our attention that your website: https://fixubuntu.com/ is using Canonical’s trademarks including Ubuntu logo on your website and *Ubuntu word in your domain name... So, whilst we are very happy for you to write about Ubuntu, we request you to remove Ubuntu | Nov 11 01:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fixubuntu.com | Fix Ubuntu | Nov 11 01:39 |
| schestowitz | word from you domain name and Ubuntu logo from your website.*" | Nov 11 01:39 |
| schestowitz | me: | Nov 11 01:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 01:47 |
| schestowitz | Rogue bots are eating up bandwidth in my site. It has been just 10 days this month and already 20 GB have been eaten up. Looking into AWStats, I see: | Nov 11 01:47 |
| schestowitz | Unknown robot (identified by empty user agent string)77,116+968.51 GB10 Nov 2013 - 03:18 | Nov 11 01:47 |
| schestowitz | So some bots that don't identify themselves are just piling up almost 1 GB per day. Can they be blocked based on user agent string? At this current pace I'll need to pay extra charges for bandwidth. No idea as to whether these are Windows zombie PCs, but over the years I have had to pay high costs for such Swiss cheese software running amok with NSA back doors..... | Nov 11 01:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 01:47 |
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| DaemonFC | Walmart. | Nov 11 07:05 |
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| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/uk-spies-continue-quantum-insert-attack-via-linkedin-slashdot-pages/ | Nov 11 08:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | UK spies continue “quantum insert” attack via LinkedIn, Slashdot pages | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g0hq6 ] | Nov 11 08:48 |
| MinceR | geekings | Nov 11 08:59 |
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| schestowitz | bots are hammering on the site | Nov 11 09:26 |
| iophk | :( | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | about 1 GB a day from some empty user string bots | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | Captain's log. We received a signal from Lee Scarf on StarDate 11/11/13 08:24. Translated to English it stated:> Hi Roy, | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > These bots will likely be innocent crawlers from one of the many search | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > engines out there, I know it's annoying but as you have 4.8gb of content | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > in the domain's public web space bots will use alot of bandwidth | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > spidering all that. I notice Googlebot uses 1-2gb of bw every month so | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > other crawlers will likely use a similar amount each. | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > If you're happy for the site to potentially not be aswell indexed in | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > some search engines then you can try adding a comprehensive robots.txt | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > which will allow/deny certain bots from crawling your site, some | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > unscrupulous crawlers may well ignore it but the respectable search | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > engines will take note. Visit this link to compile a custom robots.txt | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > and then add it to your site and see how it goes | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.mcanerin.com/EN/search-engine/robots-txt.asp | Nov 11 09:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.mcanerin.com | Robots.txt Generator - McAnerin International Inc. [ http://ur1.ca/g0hxe ] | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > In addition to a robots.txt you can specifically configure the googlebot | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > crawler to limit the amount of times it crawls your webspace, that's | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > done via your Google Webmaster Tools account, more info at | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/48620?hl=en | Nov 11 09:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | support.google.com | Changing Google's crawl rate - Webmaster Tools Help [ http://ur1.ca/g0hxf ] | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > If you know the IP/IP range of any the bots/crawlers, you can add them | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > into cPanel under 'IP Deny Manage'. | Nov 11 09:26 |
| iophk | IIRC you can specify rate or freq in robots.txt | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > Best regards | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > Lee | Nov 11 09:27 |
| schestowitz | Hi Lee, | Nov 11 09:27 |
| schestowitz | Thanks so much for the detailed suggestions. I will consider each in turn and later today I'll do some IP range analysis to recognise the source of the suspicious crawling. Google is worth the cost of bandwidth; other unnamed spiders just put load on your server and cost me in b/w addons. Like I've said, I need to look into this later today and resolve it myself. Thanks for the kind and helpful reply. | Nov 11 09:27 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 09:27 |
| iophk | of the ones that misbehave, hit them with iptables | Nov 11 09:27 |
| iophk | do you have the User Agent header in the logs? That will help a lot for the bots that self-identify. | Nov 11 09:30 |
| schestowitz | I can't do that with robots.txt | Nov 11 09:30 |
| schestowitz | and I don't have access to iptables | Nov 11 09:30 |
| schestowitz | it's not VPS | Nov 11 09:30 |
| schestowitz | it's a shared server with a host that only exposes cpanel | Nov 11 09:30 |
| schestowitz | that's for my personal site, not techrights | Nov 11 09:31 |
| iophk | ok | Nov 11 09:31 |
| schestowitz | I have lots of posts coming today, working on tuxmachines.org layout is another task | Nov 11 09:31 |
| schestowitz | it's already modified somewhat | Nov 11 09:31 |
| schestowitz | http://tuxmachines.org | Nov 11 09:31 |
| iophk | Some robots will obey the unofficial 'crawl-delay' entry in robots.txt | Nov 11 09:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tuxmachines.org | tuxmachines.org | Do you waddle the waddle? | Nov 11 09:32 |
| schestowitz | those that obey rules are not the issue | Nov 11 09:32 |
| schestowitz | The problem is those which don't give a damn about rule and just scrape the site greedily | Nov 11 09:32 |
| iophk | but the other ones can't be dealt with except with iptables AFAIK | Nov 11 09:32 |
| schestowitz | and I pay for the bandwidth they devour | Nov 11 09:32 |
| schestowitz | I already lost a lot of money due to Windows zombies doing this | Nov 11 09:32 |
| iophk | yes | Nov 11 09:32 |
| schestowitz | e.g. hammering on wikis with spam | Nov 11 09:32 |
| schestowitz | brb | Nov 11 09:33 |
| schestowitz | iophk: I put almost all your links in refs for future posts | Nov 11 09:42 |
| iophk | ok | Nov 11 09:42 |
| schestowitz | so pasting them basically assured their inclusion later on | Nov 11 09:42 |
| schestowitz | Might take days/week for related stuff to pile up and make up a story | Nov 11 09:42 |
| schestowitz | I have 20 drafts now | Nov 11 09:42 |
| schestowitz | I think i'll cross-post in tuxmachines for Linux-related posts only | Nov 11 09:42 |
| iophk | Sometimes it can take a few days for related sources to surface. | Nov 11 09:43 |
| schestowitz | and maybe vary the title depending on the audience | Nov 11 09:43 |
| iophk | Yes, keep tuxmachines as it is. | Nov 11 09:43 |
| iophk | The posts in Tuxmachines can be the top three linux-related links from the daily links. They don't need much summary. | Nov 11 09:54 |
| iophk | Or a little summary but not much analysis. | Nov 11 09:54 |
| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-release-group-has-been-spying-on-downloaders-for-9-months-131111/ | Nov 11 11:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Piracy Release Group Has Been Spying on Downloaders For 9 Months | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/g0inw ] | Nov 11 11:19 |
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| iophk | The questions remains, what was Windows doing in there at all? | Nov 11 13:13 |
| iophk | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2306151/kaspersky-claims-stuxnet-infected-a-russian-nuclear-plant | Nov 11 13:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theinquirer.net | Kaspersky claims Stuxnet infected a Russian nuclear plant- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/g0jeb ] | Nov 11 13:14 |
| iophk | M$ BBC for xbone http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-11/11/iplayer-xbox-one | Nov 11 13:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.co.uk | BBC to bring iPlayer to Xbox One 'in the future' (Wired UK) [ http://ur1.ca/g0jkf ] | Nov 11 13:36 |
| iophk | But not linux | Nov 11 13:36 |
| iophk | http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/install | Nov 11 13:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bbc.co.uk | BBC iPlayer - Install BBC iPlayer Downloads | Nov 11 13:36 |
| iophk | What was wrong with MPEG? | Nov 11 13:36 |
| iophk | Too many patents? | Nov 11 13:36 |
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| Sosumi | BBC = Bulsh!t Beyond Compreension | Nov 11 14:54 |
| Sosumi | so, nothing lost | Nov 11 14:54 |
| Sosumi | also for the folks in the UK, don't forget to pay your BBC tax | Nov 11 14:55 |
| Sosumi | lol | Nov 11 14:55 |
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| XFaCE | [09:53:53 AM]<Sosumi> BBC = Bulsh!t Beyond Compreension | Nov 11 15:30 |
| XFaCE | except for Dr. Who | Nov 11 15:30 |
| MinceR | Brown, Boveri & Cie | Nov 11 15:32 |
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| Sosumi | I really don't fancy dr. who | Nov 11 16:33 |
| Sosumi | http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/521246/20131111/international-space-station-infected-malware-russian-astronaut.htm | Nov 11 16:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.ibtimes.co.uk | International Space Station Infected With USB Stick Malware Carried on Board by Russian Astronauts - IBTimes UK [ http://ur1.ca/g0klq ] | Nov 11 16:33 |
| iophk | http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/521246/20131111/international-space-station-infected-malware-russian-astronaut.htm | Nov 11 16:36 |
| iophk | "As these systems are based on Linux, they are open to infection." | Nov 11 16:36 |
| iophk | Interesting that the OS is named. | Nov 11 16:36 |
| iophk | I thought it was infection that caused them to move to Linux. | Nov 11 16:38 |
| Sosumi | you noticed | Nov 11 16:45 |
| Sosumi | the rethoric is made as if linux is the problem | Nov 11 16:45 |
| Sosumi | maybe if it was based on ios it'd be safer | Nov 11 16:46 |
| Sosumi | or on DOS, who knows | Nov 11 16:46 |
| Sosumi | I know it, maybe if it was based on vista 8.1 | Nov 11 16:47 |
| Sosumi | if it was based on vista 8.1 the astronauts'd be able to play solitaire while up there in their stay | Nov 11 16:49 |
| MinceR | the whole thing is fishy | Nov 11 16:50 |
| Sosumi | it's like I said, the article is done as if linux was the problem | Nov 11 16:50 |
| iophk | I would think that the PR people for all the major distros would be all over that article correcting it and demanding a retraction. | Nov 11 16:50 |
| MinceR | if they could afford armies of lawyers | Nov 11 16:51 |
| iophk | PR people not lawyers | Nov 11 16:51 |
| iophk | they have marketing people | Nov 11 16:51 |
| MinceR | there's not much force behind a demand if they can't threaten with lawsuits, is there? | Nov 11 16:51 |
| Sosumi | yep, they do | Nov 11 16:51 |
| Sosumi | but you really never see any contrapropaganda from them | Nov 11 16:52 |
| iophk | no need to jump right to threats of lawsuits | Nov 11 16:52 |
| Sosumi | it's usually just promotion | Nov 11 16:52 |
| iophk | yeah some contrapropaganda is needed | Nov 11 16:52 |
| Sosumi | well, it's actually "counterpropaganda" | Nov 11 16:53 |
| iophk | well it's needed regardless of name. :) | Nov 11 16:53 |
| Sosumi | the former is how it's written in portuguese | Nov 11 16:53 |
| Sosumi | yep | Nov 11 16:54 |
| Sosumi | let's all go make a world war two linux company | Nov 11 16:55 |
| Sosumi | I can be FDR | Nov 11 16:55 |
| Sosumi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyB7dYexozc | Nov 11 16:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Steve Jobs plays FDR in Apple internal sales video (1984) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g0kqb ] | Nov 11 16:57 |
| Sosumi | well it's a classic | Nov 11 16:57 |
| Sosumi | lawl | Nov 11 16:57 |
| iophk | so were the astronauts mounting and executing binaries? | Nov 11 16:57 |
| iophk | No distro autoexecs that I've heard of. | Nov 11 16:57 |
| Sosumi | they didn't say | Nov 11 16:57 |
| Sosumi | you know, "good" journalism never tells the details | Nov 11 16:58 |
| iophk | I think there might be something worth investigating in that article. They probably have their "facts" mixed up. | Nov 11 16:59 |
| iophk | But companies like Red Hat and Canonical have a bit to lose of their reputation if that goes uncorrected for too many hours. | Nov 11 16:59 |
| iophk | That translates to money. | Nov 11 16:59 |
| Sosumi | indeed | Nov 11 17:00 |
| schestowitz | http://fossforce.com/2013/11/chrome-clamps-bitcoin-vulnerability/ | Nov 11 17:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fossforce.com | Chrome Clamps Down, Bitcoin Vulnerability & More… - FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/g0d82 ] | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | First PJ calls it quits and now Susan. Dont get me wrong, I really admire Roy’s work even though I dont agree with all he says. But Tuxmachines and Groklaw were with Techrights my 3 must go to site. I cant figure out how Roy has a job, a wife and still get around to doing what he doee (his links page is simpy the best. the days he releases him links of the week, I have enough free software, open source, linux, unix, freedom, rights | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | links to last me a week.) so I think running a site like Tuxmachines on top will prove too much. | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Anyways, its better having 3 writers than 1 left. | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | I guess its good for you unintentionally and like Carla Shroeder did a few years ago, you are on the periphery of my regular writers I make sure to visit. People like Glyn Moody and Matt Hartley and even Sam Varghese and SJVN sometimes. | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | As for Bubuntu, for a group that has been all about community building and all that crowd control stuff, they really have seemed over the past 2 yrs to go out of their way to antagonize people in how they approach things. Its almost as if they were doing it on purpose, which honestly would be less embarassing than being told that they lack complete understanding how to work with the myriads of different communities of FLOSS. | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | I think the fact they picked on Micah from the freaking EFF is simply priceless. As much as that previous episode where the leader supremo came out with his classic “haters are gonna hate.” attack filled with juvenile name calling. | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Like someone mentioned on G+, the choice of the word canonical for a FLOSS company name is making more and more sense nowadays than it did when the company was created. | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | The Forbes article offers no proof or explanation, not even a bogus attempt at explaining how they got their numbers. | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Considering that the Microsoft racketeering/extortion business is protected by NDA’s between MS and the various extorted parties, the author would have to have had access to all these protected agreements. At best it was an extrapolation based on finding out about on NDA which is very likely. | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Its amazing how this extortion business is considered a legitimiate business practice. Then again the mafia works the exact same (it would be a shame something happens to your business/family) and they are revered in myriads of TV series and movies. | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Not sure why anyone thought SteamOS guys would use Ubuntu (instead of Debian) since they have specific needs for their OS and none for many of the userland services. | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | The beauty on GNU-Linux is that everything outside the kernel is interchangeable. I still find the number of Steam clients reported worldwide much higher than I thought there were. | Nov 11 17:03 |
| schestowitz | SteamOS will BE the biggest Linux distro around. | Nov 11 17:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 17:03 |
| Sosumi | I really don't trust valve | Nov 11 17:06 |
| MinceR | neither do i | Nov 11 17:06 |
| Sosumi | steam outside of colectting all the info about the computer | Nov 11 17:06 |
| MinceR | but it can still be a boost for GNU/Linux | Nov 11 17:06 |
| Sosumi | their client can be used to hyjack the computer | Nov 11 17:06 |
| Sosumi | well, if it's the same publicity as moronical and ubuntu gets | Nov 11 17:08 |
| Sosumi | not even worth it | Nov 11 17:08 |
| Sosumi | plus I doubt steam os will be designed as full fledged OS | Nov 11 17:08 |
| Sosumi | it'll probably just be steam big picture and nothing more | Nov 11 17:08 |
| Sosumi | and I don't blizzard either | Nov 11 17:10 |
| Sosumi | and their warden anticheat | Nov 11 17:10 |
| Sosumi | just like I don't trust punkbuster | Nov 11 17:10 |
| Sosumi | all those can be snooping and attack vectors | Nov 11 17:10 |
| MinceR | if it brings more games to GNU/Linux, that could generate some network effects | Nov 11 17:19 |
| iophk | http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/155392-international-space-station-switches-from-windows-to-linux-for-improved-reliability | Nov 11 17:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.extremetech.com | International Space Station switches from Windows to Linux, for improved reliability | ExtremeTech [ http://ur1.ca/drxhh ] | Nov 11 17:20 |
| iophk | old | Nov 11 17:20 |
| iophk | "Switching to Linux will essentially immunize the ISS against future infections." | Nov 11 17:20 |
| Sosumi | yep | Nov 11 17:21 |
| iophk | So the Linux Foundation or someone (Debian?) ought to have some review about how well this has turned out and made the station immune. | Nov 11 17:22 |
| Sosumi | probably some reporter's ass needs to meet the boot | Nov 11 17:22 |
| iophk | and an editor | Nov 11 17:22 |
| iophk | it got past the editors, probably on purpose | Nov 11 17:22 |
| iophk | editors often use bait headlines anyway | Nov 11 17:24 |
| iophk | http://phys.org/news/2013-05-international-space-station-laptop-migration.html | Nov 11 17:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | phys.org | International Space Station making laptop migration from Windows XP to Debian 6 [ http://ur1.ca/du3pn ] | Nov 11 17:27 |
| iophk | old, too | Nov 11 17:27 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> @Senficon Microsoft rep Beltz: Open Source is less safe | Nov 11 17:32 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> retweeted by than „controlled software“ cause bad guys can | Nov 11 17:32 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> @glynmoody see the source code! #EPInquiry | Nov 11 17:32 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/g0kwm | Nov 11 17:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Senficon: Microsoft rep Beltz: Open Source is less safe than „controlled software“ cause bad guys can see the source code! #EPInquiry | Nov 11 17:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | (Re-tweeted by glynmoody) | Nov 11 17:32 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> @matildasisatto #EPInquiry is turning into a farce... The | Nov 11 17:32 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> retweeted by companies on the podium have their tongues so | Nov 11 17:32 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> @glynmoody tied that they are turning blue... | Nov 11 17:32 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/g0kwq | Nov 11 17:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @matildasisatto: #EPInquiry is turning into a farce... The companies on the podium have their tongues so tied that they are turning blue... | Nov 11 17:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | (Re-tweeted by glynmoody) | Nov 11 17:32 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> @matildasisatto #EPInquiry Microsoft: If there was a back door, | Nov 11 17:32 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> retweeted by I could not talk about it as I would be under a | Nov 11 17:32 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> @glynmoody legal security order not to. | Nov 11 17:32 |
| Sosumi | lol micro$haft | Nov 11 17:51 |
| Sosumi | but talking about backdoors | Nov 11 17:52 |
| Sosumi | what if x86 chips have one? and everytime single time a program compiled on the platform puts adds a backdoor or some explotable line to the code? | Nov 11 17:53 |
| Sosumi | well, to support the suspicion of a cabal at play we see that there aren't any choices now | Nov 11 17:54 |
| Sosumi | no more power pc | Nov 11 17:54 |
| Sosumi | no more sparc | Nov 11 17:54 |
| Sosumi | unless you get them on servers | Nov 11 17:54 |
| Sosumi | rack mountable servers | Nov 11 17:54 |
| Sosumi | ibm powerstations just like the powermac got killed in 2006 | Nov 11 17:55 |
| Sosumi | and oracle isn't bringing sparcstations back anytime soon | Nov 11 17:55 |
| Sosumi | a backdoor could be built in the southbridge too, so who knows | Nov 11 17:57 |
| Sosumi | and even if that was the case and the user applied an airgap | Nov 11 17:59 |
| Sosumi | what about those dirty emissions that could be picked up by someone doing signals on the electricity wire | Nov 11 18:00 |
| Sosumi | paranoia :) | Nov 11 18:00 |
| Sosumi | faraday cage and an off the grid power suply = win | Nov 11 18:01 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3261197 | Nov 11 18:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @darth_azrael@diasp.org: And this was the reason for the #2ndAmendment | Nov 11 18:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by darth_azrael@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_c1a900dbc72f7ede443a.jpg | Nov 11 18:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by darth_azrael@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_c1a900dbc72f7ede443a.jpg | Nov 11 18:01 |
| schestowitz | "No, at the time the vast majority of the people living in the thirteen British colonies considered themselves British and were British citizens. There were native tribes here of course before European colonization but that had nothing to do with the Revolution of 1776. This was a group of people separating from what they considered their home country due to a variety of grievances (taxation without representation, troops being | Nov 11 18:02 |
| schestowitz | quartered in private homes, the attempted seizure of weapons among others). There was not an existing American government that was 'occupied' by the British government. It was always part of the British government. It is much more comparable to the American civil war (only slavery was involved and the South failed)." | Nov 11 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Interesting insight. Well, I'm all for change in the US, so I'm hardly the opposition here. | Nov 11 18:02 |
| Sosumi | it's the brightish empire | Nov 11 18:03 |
| Sosumi | because the sun never sets on british empire | Nov 11 18:03 |
| Sosumi | john dee coined that term | Nov 11 18:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265636 | Nov 11 18:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/canonical-abused-trademark-law-to-target-a-site-critical-of-ubuntu-privacy/ #ubuntu #canonical #privacy | Nov 11 18:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g01vv ] | Nov 11 18:04 |
| schestowitz | ';Jesse, yes. The domain name is a different thing. What I meant was, they did not complain about the usage of the word Ubuntu on the website. That is a legal use of a trade mark. The domain name is sort of a ‘product‘ name and can therefore not use the trade mark without permission. Anyway, I would be grateful if you would not allege that I am ‘unable to read the email’. If something is not clear from the context, just ask. | Nov 11 18:04 |
| schestowitz | Thank you." | Nov 11 18:04 |
| Sosumi | and it still holds it's value today | Nov 11 18:04 |
| schestowitz | [18:01] <s-534> @glynmoody Journalists Reportedly Banned From Smartphone | Nov 11 18:04 |
| schestowitz | [18:01] <s-534> Photography At Olympics In Russia - | Nov 11 18:04 |
| schestowitz | [18:01] <s-534> http://t.co/Ty7obwpDMI shoudl be fun to watch | Nov 11 18:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techcrunch.com | Journalists Reportedly Banned From Smartphone Photography At Olympics In Russia | TechCrunch | Nov 11 18:04 |
| schestowitz | [18:01] <s-534> this clash | Nov 11 18:04 |
| Sosumi | they can go photograph putin making obozo his biatch | Nov 11 18:05 |
| Sosumi | that was a reference to john romero and daikatana | Nov 11 18:05 |
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| fewt | \o | Nov 11 18:07 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265676 | Nov 11 18:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When it Comes to Trademarks, Canonical is Even Worse Than Novell http://techrights.org/2013/11/08/trademarks-canonical/ #ubuntu #canonical | Nov 11 18:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | When it Comes to Trademarks, Canonical is Even Worse Than Novell | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g05th ] | Nov 11 18:09 |
| schestowitz | "See what I mean?" | Nov 11 18:09 |
| fewt | I found a couple of Ubuntu fanboys on muktware still defending Canonical after Mark said Canonical was wrong. It filled me with lols. | Nov 11 18:10 |
| Sosumi | lol moronical | Nov 11 18:10 |
| Sosumi | and it's morons | Nov 11 18:10 |
| XFaCE | fewt: He hasn't mastered the reality distortion field yet | Nov 11 18:32 |
| fewt | + | Nov 11 18:32 |
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| sebsebseb | iophk: Open Suse | Nov 11 18:35 |
| iophk | :P | Nov 11 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: eve the Ubuntu guy as part of his propsal has done Open Suse KDE | Nov 11 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | not Mageia anything | Nov 11 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | maybe he just copied the oleder guy I don't know | Nov 11 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think Magiea is getting out voted though | Nov 11 18:36 |
| iophk | Should talk with him. | Nov 11 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I guess I don't have friends there | Nov 11 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | any of them | Nov 11 18:36 |
| iophk | Find out for sure. | Nov 11 18:36 |
| iophk | "build bridges" as the phrase was. | Nov 11 18:37 |
| iophk | Any work with SCADA at all? | Nov 11 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | what's that? | Nov 11 18:37 |
| iophk | industrial control | Nov 11 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe I am not liked by them as such as well | Nov 11 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: after disagreeing with having a vote and stuff ike that | Nov 11 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | and here's why I disageed | Nov 11 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | since I had a feeling things would be like this and yep | Nov 11 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: its not a fair vote either | Nov 11 18:39 |
| iophk | no it's not | Nov 11 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | someone hsoud be bought in from outside to be part of the voting I think | Nov 11 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: everyone has their own personal prefered distro's out of the ones we had | Nov 11 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | even those who say they don't really care what distro is used | Nov 11 18:40 |
| iophk | voting is usually proposed when the outcome is know in advance and favors those proposing the vote... | Nov 11 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: everyone wants thier own distro | Nov 11 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | evne thoe who say they don't really care what distro is used | Nov 11 18:40 |
| iophk | yeah but they should be able to agree on the DE's first. | Nov 11 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | and event co ordnater is a Mint guy as well really, he wanted Mint all along for hte event | Nov 11 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | yes he may have not sid let's have Fedora a distro he uses | Nov 11 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | ,bt he wants Mint | Nov 11 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think the De's have been sort of agred already | Nov 11 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | Cinnamon and KDE | Nov 11 18:41 |
| iophk | Mint is just a copy of ubuntu with nasty proprietary bits added and mono | Nov 11 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I know | Nov 11 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | and Cinnamon and Mate by default | Nov 11 18:42 |
| iophk | what about XFCE? | Nov 11 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | there's the idea of having something for really old computers | Nov 11 18:42 |
| fewt | sebsebseb: everyone should create their own distro | Nov 11 18:42 |
| iophk | Cinnamon and Mate ar kind of fringe. | Nov 11 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | I guess that may be sme OPen Suse based thing with XFCE maybe | Nov 11 18:42 |
| fewt | Cinnamon and MATE are definitely fringe | Nov 11 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | oh fewt is in here | Nov 11 18:42 |
| *fewt looks around | Nov 11 18:43 | |
| fewt | no he isn't | Nov 11 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | fewt: I am meant to be helping orgaies an event for next March | Nov 11 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | I am thinking about quiting maybe | Nov 11 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | or saying something | Nov 11 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe it isn't so bad, if only certan distros are used o the demonostratio computers and the remasters, if well can have a tale with genrea Liux sutff | Nov 11 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | put some Fedora CD's on there I am thinking | Nov 11 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | and Mageia if it loses | Nov 11 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | and pens for distr's and you know | Nov 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/renepieters/status/399970292875149312 | Nov 11 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: a free swag table | Nov 11 18:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @renepieters: Interessant cloudproject: host je spullen zelf. Op een Rasperry Pi. http://t.co/lCqX7vDlJ7 via @schestowitz en @meneer | Nov 11 18:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> venturebeat.com | This 23-year-old’s open-source project, a server running on Raspberry Pi, gives the middle finger to Google | VentureBeat | Nov 11 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Mageia is getting rejected for Open SUse, for htis event :( | Nov 11 18:44 |
| schestowitz | hi fewt, wb | Nov 11 18:44 |
| fewt | hi schestowitz, thanks | Nov 11 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: the vote hasn't even happended properly yet, but I can see from the proposed stuff etc | Nov 11 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | and how everyone wants their own distor | Nov 11 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: this vote is rubbish | Nov 11 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe I shoud just well get out voted and then say something after | Nov 11 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | how I had a feeling things would be like that, and that's why I didn't want the vote in the first place | Nov 11 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | since it wan't a fair vote etc | Nov 11 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe then I say to the, so uhmm, who actsaly wants me to stil help out with this event and why? | Nov 11 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | or Uh I don't know | Nov 11 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think if I can have a load of Mageia CD's on a tablbe soe where, for those that want it, that isn't too bad then | Nov 11 18:46 |
| iophk | That might be ok | Nov 11 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | event co ordinater has an idea too get a load of old magazine or whatever Linux Format will give us | Nov 11 18:46 |
| iophk | better if you could also show it | Nov 11 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | for a waiting area | Nov 11 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well I guess I can stil o my own netbook at least | Nov 11 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Nov 11 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | I was thinking, it's ok to have Fedora and Magiea CD's and offial Ubuntu and such some where | Nov 11 18:47 |
| iophk | again, what about the computers. That is one of the first things to settle, then the DEs | Nov 11 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: at least three computers | Nov 11 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | only be a few | Nov 11 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | not that many | Nov 11 18:47 |
| iophk | Three is not much for a whole room | Nov 11 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: it's quite a small room | Nov 11 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | actualy | Nov 11 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: can fit about 24 people in it at once | Nov 11 18:48 |
| iophk | oh | Nov 11 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | they gone with a much smaller room, than what we lookd at etc | Nov 11 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | ,because the smaller room is free | Nov 11 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | and also central | Nov 11 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | slap bang in the centre of the city | Nov 11 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | in a pub cafe etc, type buidig with acinema etc a w | Nov 11 18:49 |
| iophk | I'd see if you could get 5 or 6 computers to demo | Nov 11 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | as wlel, that like everyone knows | Nov 11 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think an probaby get about 5 yeah | Nov 11 18:49 |
| iophk | That should be decided soon. | Nov 11 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I did end the eail about that | Nov 11 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | he replied | Nov 11 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | sounds ike ony about 3 or so | Nov 11 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: sounds ike he'll find out more once distors' are cofired etc | Nov 11 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | some stuff he is doing the wrong way rund I think in a wayy | Nov 11 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: also instead of just beig so focussed on getting a venue in the first place andsuch | Nov 11 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | I think we shoud have done the technial decisions proery early on | Nov 11 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | instead of just having a genreal idea of what people wante,d and then this stupid vote stuff now | Nov 11 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so basically everone thinks, oh my thing wil probably be in and then moeone else joins us and wants hi thing as wlel | Nov 11 18:51 |
| sebsebseb | and then we get four distro's and now this uh | Nov 11 18:51 |
| sebsebseb | when the idea from the begining was to ony have 2 or 3 | Nov 11 18:51 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: now he wants Grub 2 to have a customied theme for the event as well if possible | Nov 11 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: a bit ike your suggesiton for a background for the event in the demo's I think | Nov 11 18:53 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well jjust over a week to go untill that thing | Nov 11 18:54 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: still need to put my propsal into the document, but yeah | Nov 11 18:54 |
| iophk | Grub? distracted by the wrong things. There is little return on the effort. | Nov 11 18:56 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: wel he had been playing around with Grub 2 themes on Sunday or whatever he siad | Nov 11 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: not sure quite how I am going to react, if I go to that meeting on the Tuesdya | Nov 11 18:58 |
| sebsebseb | and it does indeed get out voted as I am expecting | Nov 11 18:58 |
| iophk | A common desktop image might be ok. Helps the demo machines look similar and brings focus to the DE itself maybe. Though it is really hard to explain the benefits of KDE to people that have never customized their DE. | Nov 11 18:58 |
| iophk | before. | Nov 11 18:59 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I know what I might have done a few years ago, when quite a bit younger and I didn't get my way, when something happended that I realy wanted to do at the time, since I was so passionate about it, and had gone to the city too do that, but was told I coudn't, since I kept on being late | Nov 11 18:59 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: it won't be that | Nov 11 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | it's just the choosen diistro remasterd | Nov 11 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I guess even if I don't quite get my way, but it brings some people into the Linux User Group meeting | Nov 11 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | that's good | Nov 11 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: can try and get htem to go Mageia after the event if so as well :d | Nov 11 19:02 |
| iophk | You could have all 6 stations with KDE with different configurations to look and feel quite different. | Nov 11 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: nice idea, but nope they won't have that | Nov 11 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | since they want Cinnamon | Nov 11 19:02 |
| iophk | even fewt agrees that Cinnamon is fringe | Nov 11 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | what do you mean by that? | Nov 11 19:03 |
| fewt | It's value add to Mint, but fringe in that it's limited to Mint. | Nov 11 19:03 |
| iophk | It's not a mainstream DE | Nov 11 19:03 |
| fewt | ^ | Nov 11 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | well Magiea 4 will get it into the rep's as an option | Nov 11 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah exactly | Nov 11 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | it's not really that main stremae | Nov 11 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I am dealin with people who want to convert Windows uesrs to Linux | Nov 11 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | and so want similar to WIndows DE's | Nov 11 19:04 |
| fewt | well, even then Clem has said it's designed for Mint | Nov 11 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | they like Cinnamon at least two of them a ot | Nov 11 19:04 |
| iophk | If you stick to the big DEs then it matters a little less which distro is demoed. | Nov 11 19:04 |
| fewt | and he doesn't seem to care about it on other distros | Nov 11 19:04 |
| fewt | which isn't bad | Nov 11 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | fewt: where has he said that? | Nov 11 19:04 |
| fewt | but it limits its usefulness | Nov 11 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | seems Mint is in fro this event | Nov 11 19:04 |
| iophk | If they want similar to Windows the XFCE is suppose to be good for that. | Nov 11 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | and Open Suse uh | Nov 11 19:04 |
| fewt | on the internet sebsebseb :P | Nov 11 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | bye bye Mageia and Ubuntu | Nov 11 19:04 |
| fewt | I'll have to google it | Nov 11 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | bye ye Ubuntu since most of them don't like Uinity | Nov 11 19:05 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think XFCE might get used in the thing for really old computers I don't know | Nov 11 19:05 |
| iophk | For really old you want lighter weight. LXDE | Nov 11 19:05 |
| iophk | I haven't asked for a while, but what about brochures? | Nov 11 19:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't think they have given any of that much thought, and will go with Open Suse guy's own mae custom thing | Nov 11 19:06 |
| sebsebseb | for old PC's | Nov 11 19:06 |
| sebsebseb | that will of course be based on Open SUse in that case I expect | Nov 11 19:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: brouchers for what, explaining about distros or interfaces, I tink that's all been suggeted to them as well I don't remember | Nov 11 19:07 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I am feeing like this is "their" event | Nov 11 19:07 |
| sebsebseb | and not "my" event already | Nov 11 19:07 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and the I have the optio of being ike I don't care, so what about LIux going more main strame | Nov 11 19:07 |
| sebsebseb | so what about distor's they are al similar | Nov 11 19:07 |
| sebsebseb | there's a guy like this from our LUG group who's quite knowledagble | Nov 11 19:07 |
| fewt | Just use Windows, geez! | Nov 11 19:08 |
| *fewt is kidding | Nov 11 19:08 | |
| sebsebseb | I could be ike him, and so not hep with the event anymore in that case to, well he neer heped in the first place, since he oesn't care about getting ore users | Nov 11 19:08 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: or I could be ike, yeah that's ashame Magiea got voted out and Ubuntu, but peole running | Nov 11 19:08 |
| sebsebseb | Open Suse and Mint is still better than WIndows really eseialy XP once it's unsupported | Nov 11 19:08 |
| sebsebseb | espeicaly XP above | Nov 11 19:09 |
| iophk | Those are the worst distros though. :( | Nov 11 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I Think quite a few of them have the attitude that distro's don't matter that much | Nov 11 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yet they stlll want hteir own choosen ones out of our options | Nov 11 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: indeed Mint is quite pointless now, except for it having CInnamon and Mate by defualt | Nov 11 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | ,but those are coing to more other distors now | Nov 11 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | Mint was mainly for those that found it hard to install codecs ito Ubuntu in like 2006 | Nov 11 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | and then more recetly it seems to be mainly for the Unity dislikers/haers | Nov 11 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | haters | Nov 11 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | and I Would like Ubuntu to be there for Uity, so can find out if Canonical were right or not | Nov 11 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | about non technial users likeing it or not | Nov 11 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | apparnatly quite a few non technial users don't like it, that used GNOME 2 before | Nov 11 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: really Linux is meant to replace Unix and yeah | Nov 11 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | just happens to be goodenough to use instead of Wndows for most stuff foryears, that's all | Nov 11 19:12 |
| fewt | I'm still struggling to use GNOME 2 | Nov 11 19:13 |
| fewt | w/ CentOS | Nov 11 19:13 |
| fewt | I'll probably shift to Arch or another distribution soon. | Nov 11 19:13 |
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| fewt | Probably have to bite the GNOME 3 bullet too | Nov 11 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | fewt: GNOME Shell isn't that bad really | Nov 11 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | not now | Nov 11 19:14 |
| fewt | yeah, I've heard it's more usable now | Nov 11 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | fewt: GNOM3 3 make that with the apps as well | Nov 11 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | I always liked it | Nov 11 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | ,but had issues trying to run it at first | Nov 11 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | annoyingy for a year or two, so I was stuck with a old GNOEM preview on top of GNOME 2 | Nov 11 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | fewt: Do you think Ubuntu and Mint are the worst distros? | Nov 11 19:15 |
| sebsebseb | and guess Ubuntu to maybe? | Nov 11 19:15 |
| fewt | I don't have an opinion of Mint | Nov 11 19:16 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | Nov 11 19:16 |
| fewt | or Ubuntu for that matter | Nov 11 19:16 |
| sebsebseb | what about for Open Suse then? | Nov 11 19:17 |
| fewt | I don't give them enough of a thought to care about them. | Nov 11 19:17 |
| fewt | same with openSUSE | Nov 11 19:17 |
| fewt | or most all distros these days | Nov 11 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | ok what about Cinnamon | Nov 11 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | you dont like Cinnamon? | Nov 11 19:17 |
| fewt | don't care about it | Nov 11 19:18 |
| fewt | I neither like nor dislike | Nov 11 19:18 |
| Sosumi | kde? | Nov 11 19:18 |
| fewt | I don't like KDE | Nov 11 19:18 |
| Sosumi | enlightnment? | Nov 11 19:19 |
| fewt | It's too fat | Nov 11 19:19 |
| fewt | too ancient | Nov 11 19:19 |
| fewt | :P | Nov 11 19:19 |
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| Sosumi | you're calling me old :( | Nov 11 19:19 |
| fewt | naah | Nov 11 19:19 |
| Sosumi | I kid :P | Nov 11 19:19 |
| fewt | :) | Nov 11 19:19 |
| MinceR | what DEs count as "major"? kde, gnome, unity? | Nov 11 19:28 |
| Sosumi | I think that only ubuntu uses unity as default | Nov 11 19:29 |
| fewt | MinceR: twm | Nov 11 19:29 |
| MinceR | twm is not a DE | Nov 11 19:30 |
| fewt | that makes it more major | Nov 11 19:30 |
| Sosumi | but in terms of fully featured | Nov 11 19:30 |
| Sosumi | kde wins | Nov 11 19:30 |
| fewt | MinceR: I know TWM is a WM and not a DE. :P | Nov 11 19:30 |
| MinceR | all three of those suck, imo | Nov 11 19:31 |
| fewt | I agree, TWM, WM, and DE all suck | Nov 11 19:31 |
| fewt | lmao | Nov 11 19:31 |
| fewt | I don't like KDE, GNOME, or Unity very much | Nov 11 19:32 |
| Sosumi | we don't need DEs nor X or wayland | Nov 11 19:32 |
| Sosumi | bash all the way | Nov 11 19:32 |
| fewt | but I can't really fairly have an opinion since I haven't used them in a while. | Nov 11 19:32 |
| fewt | Sosumi: WindowMaker | Nov 11 19:32 |
| Sosumi | windowmaker........ | Nov 11 19:33 |
| Sosumi | never had heard of it | Nov 11 19:34 |
| Sosumi | and it looks just like nextstep | Nov 11 19:34 |
| Sosumi | I guess that I'm poisoned to give it a try | Nov 11 19:35 |
| MinceR | afaik it's the wm of afterstep or gnustep | Nov 11 19:36 |
| fewt | ^ | Nov 11 19:36 |
| fewt | gnustep | Nov 11 19:36 |
| fewt | also: sawfish | Nov 11 19:36 |
| fewt | (for those who have been around a while) hah | Nov 11 19:36 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 11 19:38 |
| fewt | I just run explorer.exe in WINE | Nov 11 19:38 |
| fewt | and collect my M$ paycheck | Nov 11 19:39 |
| Sosumi | I knew gnustep as an efford to bring objective c to gnu/linux | Nov 11 19:39 |
| fewt | I was accused of that again a few days ago lol | Nov 11 19:39 |
| Sosumi | lol | Nov 11 19:39 |
| fewt | It had been a while since someone accused me of being a Microsoft employee | Nov 11 19:39 |
| fewt | really took me back to the good old days | Nov 11 19:39 |
| fewt | lol | Nov 11 19:39 |
| Sosumi | nothing wrong with being a M$ employee | Nov 11 19:40 |
| Sosumi | you can be an insider and blow the whistle on stuff | Nov 11 19:40 |
| fewt | lol except that I'm not :) | Nov 11 19:41 |
| Sosumi | well, I'm not either | Nov 11 19:42 |
| Sosumi | but I don't discard the possibility of infiltration if the opurtunity arises | Nov 11 19:42 |
| fewt | oh sure | Nov 11 19:43 |
| Sosumi | probably to confirm what is already known | Nov 11 19:44 |
| Sosumi | backdoors, etc | Nov 11 19:45 |
| Sosumi | lousy code | Nov 11 19:45 |
| fewt | number of Canonical employees on the books | Nov 11 19:50 |
| fewt | I mean! | Nov 11 19:50 |
| iophk | http://techrights.org/2013/05/15/ubuntu-and-microsoft-veteran/ | Nov 11 19:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | Man From Microsoft Runs the Ubuntu Project Now | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/dv9od ] | Nov 11 19:51 |
| Sosumi | infiltrate moronical? | Nov 11 19:51 |
| iophk | happened | Nov 11 19:51 |
| Sosumi | yeah | Nov 11 19:51 |
| Sosumi | it did | Nov 11 19:51 |
| iophk | might explain some of the decisions and attitudes | Nov 11 19:52 |
| Sosumi | but it was also allowed to happen by shutleworm | Nov 11 19:52 |
| Sosumi | I actually think that ubuntu was from the beggining a hook for M$ to push crap like Mono into gnu/linux | Nov 11 19:53 |
| fewt | iophk: it definitely does | Nov 11 19:53 |
| fewt | I've never had an issue with Mono historically but after the patent attack on Android that's changed. | Nov 11 19:54 |
| Sosumi | and try to fragment the community | Nov 11 19:54 |
| Sosumi | like on the Mir vs wayland | Nov 11 19:54 |
| iophk | With Mir vs Wayland, it is more about how they are interacting (or not) than anything else | Nov 11 19:55 |
| iophk | they've explained their position poorly | Nov 11 19:55 |
| Sosumi | I kind of made a mistake back there | Nov 11 20:05 |
| Sosumi | it wasn't the ibm powerstation the IBM killed | Nov 11 20:06 |
| Sosumi | it was the intellistation | Nov 11 20:06 |
| Sosumi | last models used the same ppc 970 that was used on the powermac | Nov 11 20:07 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3277200 | Nov 11 20:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This 23-year-old’s open-source project, a server running on Raspberry Pi, gives the middle finger to Google http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/10/arkos-secure-google-alternative/ | Nov 11 20:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> venturebeat.com | This 23-year-old’s open-source project, a server running on Raspberry Pi, gives the middle finger to Google | VentureBeat [ http://ur1.ca/g0fnr ] | Nov 11 20:24 |
| schestowitz | "Here's the projects D* account cznweb@joindiaspora.com https://joindiaspora.com/people/f4aefef1c70c5a0a " | Nov 11 20:24 |
| schestowitz | iophk: didn't they start with wayland? | Nov 11 20:25 |
| iophk | yes | Nov 11 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Fedora would not have much issue with that | Nov 11 20:25 |
| iophk | then hopped off | Nov 11 20:26 |
| schestowitz | But then they decided to go it alone | Nov 11 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Watyland doesn't bother me much and neither does Mir | Nov 11 20:26 |
| schestowitz | But then again, I'm not Martin and i'm not the one having to waste my life because of these splots | Nov 11 20:27 |
| schestowitz | *splits | Nov 11 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Canonical has much bigger mistakes (or 'mistakes') worth addressing | Nov 11 20:27 |
| schestowitz | I actually defended Mir the other day (without naming it) on the ground that it's just more free code you're not obliged to use but can | Nov 11 20:28 |
| schestowitz | That;'s not the same as a company like Novell bringing patent heat from Microsoft to Red Hat and Canonical, which is divisive in another way. And patent agreements don't extend to communities like GPLv3+ requires | Nov 11 20:29 |
| iophk | gtg | Nov 11 20:37 |
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| Sosumi | and it's going despite the rethoric of the nsa spying | Nov 11 20:51 |
| Sosumi | ofc "we" knew that EU governments like france for example were in cahoots with the US and UK | Nov 11 20:52 |
| Sosumi | the free exploitation treaty seems to be going on | Nov 11 20:52 |
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| Sosumi | also I've been looking at alex jones as of late | Nov 11 20:58 |
| Sosumi | and his operation as turned into a kind of litter | Nov 11 20:59 |
| Sosumi | no really good or actually usefull info after he kicked Tarpley out of there | Nov 11 21:00 |
| Sosumi | for not supporting mr derregulation Ron Paul | Nov 11 21:00 |
| Sosumi | and last sunday, supporting the jon birch society?? | Nov 11 21:01 |
| Sosumi | totally laughable | Nov 11 21:01 |
| Sosumi | and was the only guy adressing the derivatives trade | Nov 11 21:10 |
| Sosumi | jonesi other guests were all crap and about putting folks walking around in circles | Nov 11 21:10 |
| Sosumi | pretty much like those brand X truthers around on the internet | Nov 11 21:11 |
| Sosumi | actually, alex jones outside of a few decent guests like the Gunderson guy from Fairewinds (fukushima) and wayne madsen | Nov 11 21:15 |
| Sosumi | ho, well and celente | Nov 11 21:15 |
| Sosumi | pretty much everything else is two steps below excrement | Nov 11 21:15 |
| Sosumi | and can actually be considered disinfo | Nov 11 21:16 |
| Sosumi | even them one must be aware of hellen caldicot, which for some reason comes attached to gunderson | Nov 11 21:16 |
| Sosumi | according to her we'd be living in pre-industrial revolution | Nov 11 21:17 |
| Sosumi | dam neo-malthusian | Nov 11 21:18 |
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| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/samsung-nokia-say-they-dont-know-how-to-track-a-powered-down-phone/ | Nov 11 21:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Samsung, Nokia say they don’t know how to track a powered-down phone | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g0mhj ] | Nov 11 21:36 |
| MinceR | i can find my phone even if it's turned off | Nov 11 21:39 |
| MinceR | using my eyes | Nov 11 21:39 |
| MinceR | also, i suspect that the malware could merely fake powering down | Nov 11 21:40 |
| MinceR | and keep the radio going | Nov 11 21:40 |
| Sosumi | exactly | Nov 11 21:40 |
| Sosumi | that's why the battery should be taken | Nov 11 21:40 |
| Sosumi | but no mention to backdoors | Nov 11 21:41 |
| MinceR | http://xkcd.com/1289/ | Nov 11 21:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | xkcd.com | xkcd: Simple Answers | Nov 11 21:48 |
| Sosumi | so I got a hypePhone 5 | Nov 11 21:54 |
| Sosumi | and installed linux on it | Nov 11 21:54 |
| Sosumi | but since I don't have the touchscreen driver | Nov 11 21:54 |
| Sosumi | I ssh into it from my nokia communicator | Nov 11 21:54 |
| Sosumi | epic win | Nov 11 21:54 |
| Sosumi | I was joking ofc :) | Nov 11 21:55 |
| MinceR | yeah, if you had a nokia communicator, you'd have no use for a hypePhone :> | Nov 11 21:59 |
| Sosumi | I got the 2008 model | Nov 11 22:00 |
| Sosumi | but it's kind of getting wasted | Nov 11 22:00 |
| MinceR | e90? | Nov 11 22:01 |
| Sosumi | yeah | Nov 11 22:01 |
| Sosumi | getting wasted no, it's actually wasted | Nov 11 22:10 |
| Sosumi | and the hinge doesn't have any strenght anymore | Nov 11 22:10 |
| Sosumi | at this point I'm just holding for the nexus 5 to be available | Nov 11 22:11 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 11 22:12 |
| Sosumi | but since I don't normally use a cellphone, it's really not that much of a problem | Nov 11 22:12 |
| Sosumi | laptop + 4g access = any cell phone | Nov 11 22:12 |
| Sosumi | and I'm not the only guy who does that | Nov 11 22:26 |
| Sosumi | I have 2 teachers who exactly the same | Nov 11 22:26 |
| Sosumi | *do | Nov 11 22:26 |
| Sosumi | no cell phones | Nov 11 22:26 |
| Sosumi | you can call their landline and mail them | Nov 11 22:27 |
| Sosumi | but cell phones are something that stays inside the car for emergencies | Nov 11 22:27 |
| Sosumi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU | Nov 11 22:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Prototype Quadrotor with Machine Gun! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g0mw9 ] | Nov 11 22:30 |
| Sosumi | because the nsa may want to stalk them (or me) with one of those | Nov 11 22:31 |
| Sosumi | :) | Nov 11 22:33 |
| Sosumi | it wouldn't be the first time ppl die "accidently" | Nov 11 22:34 |
| Sosumi | micheal hastings was one of the last to die | Nov 11 22:35 |
| Sosumi | that I can remember | Nov 11 22:35 |
| MinceR | looks like we'll need power armor and guns | Nov 11 22:40 |
| Sosumi | don't worry, that's why I took physics | Nov 11 22:45 |
| Sosumi | and with 3d printers now able to do metal | Nov 11 22:48 |
| Sosumi | I don't think it'll be a problem in say 5 years to build weapons | Nov 11 22:49 |
| Sosumi | and armor | Nov 11 22:49 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 11 22:52 |
| Sosumi | gn | Nov 11 22:53 |
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| DaemonFC | Facebook recommended that I like Kevin Sorbo. He's a registered Republican that donated $500 to the worst president ever. (George W. Bush) | Nov 12 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | I did like his acting work on Hercules: The Legendary Journeys and Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda though, so I clicked the Like button. At least he gave us some good Saturday morning TV to watch while Bush was ****ing us over. | Nov 12 01:41 |
| Snowleaksange | just heard raspbiani sa pos that fails apt-get install chromium out of box | Nov 12 01:42 |
| Snowleaksange | raspbian | Nov 12 01:42 |
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| DaemonFC | My computer is getting pretty old, but I just can't bring myself to replace it. Every piece of hardware in it is supported by a Free (as in Freedom) driver, including the graphics card's 3d acceleration. The kernel Linux is performing better, the data libraries and compiler toolchain have been optimized, and KDE 4.11 is running using fewer resources than KDE 4.0 did in 2008. How do you replace a computer that is getting faster? I might have | Nov 12 03:55 |
| DaemonFC | to pull out the sledgehammer and give myself an excuse. *Bang bang bang* Well, I've been wanting a laptop anyway, and that desktop would have left me waiting another five years. | Nov 12 03:55 |
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| *Now talking on #techrights | Nov 12 05:29 | |
| *Topic for #techrights is: TechRights.org | Channel #techrights for http://TechRights.org :: please also join channels #boycottnovell-social #techbytes and #boycottnovell | Nov 12 05:29 | |
| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Nov 12 05:29 | |
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| Sosumi | my suggestion | Nov 12 05:39 |
| Sosumi | turn it into a server | Nov 12 05:40 |
| Sosumi | or keep it around for an emergency | Nov 12 05:41 |
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| iophk | tizen camera: | Nov 12 07:36 |
| iophk | http://linuxgizmos.com/tizen-camera-released-mobile-lite-version-coming-phones-delayed/ | Nov 12 07:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | linuxgizmos.com | Tizen camera debuted, Lite tipped, phone delayed · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/g0ps5 ] | Nov 12 07:36 |
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| iophk | Portland is already way ahead and should be used as a model. | Nov 12 08:58 |
| iophk | http://www.oregonlive.com/hillsboro/index.ssf/2013/11/hillsboro_school_district_cons_1.html | Nov 12 08:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.oregonlive.com | Hillsboro School District considering open-source solutions in wake of failed bond measure | OregonLive.com [ http://ur1.ca/g0qa2 ] | Nov 12 08:58 |
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| iophk | http://gigaom.com/2013/11/11/facebooks-hardware-vp-says-were-very-close-to-open-source-switches/ | Nov 12 08:59 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | gigaom.com | Facebook’s hardware VP says we’re very close to open source switches — Tech News and Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/g0qaa ] | Nov 12 08:59 |
| DaemonFC` | On OKCupid. | Nov 12 09:00 |
| DaemonFC` | "Are you smarter than most people?" | Nov 12 09:00 |
| DaemonFC` | Why yes, yes I am. | Nov 12 09:00 |
| DaemonFC` | Do I have to qualify this? OK. Here's a homework assignment. Go to Walmart sometime and observe "most people", and then get back to me. | Nov 12 09:00 |
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| DaemonFC` | http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/100000/00000/5000/800/105824/105824.strip.gif | Nov 12 10:00 |
| DaemonFC` | Healthcare.gov | Nov 12 10:00 |
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| iophk | http://gizmodo.com/googles-going-to-start-sticking-your-face-and-name-in-1443861985/1462317340/@ace | Nov 12 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | gizmodo.com | Your Face and Name Will Appear in Google Ads Starting Today [ http://ur1.ca/g0qt6 ] | Nov 12 10:04 |
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| DaemonFC | Someone that I was talking to the other day said "I think someone likes you.", I said "and who would that be?". He pointed to this individual (as much as you can "point" to someone on the internet, that is). | Nov 12 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | I said "I don't know about that. I think that there could be some clash of personality there.". He asked me why that was. I said "Well, he's an activist that works to further the Democratic Party, and they're just the less right-wing party, for the most part, of the two party system we have in the United States." | Nov 12 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | Not only is he an activist, he says they're paying him too. I can't say I'm completely shocked. You can buy a lot of friends when you can't make enough of them naturally. Microsoft sometimes does this to "evangelize" Windows and other nasty proprietary Microsoft technologies. Fox News (the infamous hard-right news channel that you can tell is lying whenever one of their reporters has their lips moving) also uses this strategy. They send out | Nov 12 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | paid sockpuppets to carry out hit pieces against people that oppose their agenda. | Nov 12 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | I've never made any big secret of the fact that I am pretty far to the left on the left/right political spectrum. And from here, it's pretty easy to see what the establishment Democratic Party really is. About an inch to the left of the far right. They have a few decent social policies. Their fiscal policy is basically to save Capitalism from its own excesses. They are a business party though. They exist to serve Capitalism, whether some | Nov 12 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | capitalists realize this or not. Free Market Capitalism will kill itself with its own excesses. It will always get a little bit too greedy for its own good, and take down the entire system with it. This usually happens when workers get tired of literally being exploited to death for pennies and stage a revolt, followed by a unionization drive, like what happened in the United States in the early 20th century. | Nov 12 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | The Democrats were swept to power in the 1930s, and they immediately set to work extinguishing some of the fires that runaway Capitalism had set. They made some mild-to-moderate social reforms, like Social Security, the 40 hour work week, and some worker safety laws. | Nov 12 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | But that's all they've ever done. They're certainly not pro-labor, and they're certainly not in favor of the welfare state. (Where the government makes sure that its citizens have support mechanisms and living wages, so that their needs are not going unmet). | Nov 12 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | The goal of the Democratic Party establishment is to let people suffer, but not so much that it threatens to destabilize the entire system that is exploiting them. | Nov 12 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | And in a way, that makes them more of a menace to society than the Republican Party. If we had let the Republicans keep control for several more years, they would have finished ripping down the mild-to-moderate social reforms. Most of the people would go from having very little, back to not having a pot to piss in, and there would have been an uprising followed by far more extensive reforms, when people finally realized what they had done. | Nov 12 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | About the only major thing that Obama has suggested that I actually agree with, that is currently pending is that they need to raise the minimum wage. | Nov 12 12:47 |
| DaemonFC | $10.10 would be modest. It would bring it up to where it actually buys something again, but it would not be a comfortable lifestyle. | Nov 12 12:48 |
| yang | daemonfc interesting thoughts. i am an european and minimum hourly rate here is 3 eur. | Nov 12 12:54 |
| yang | maybe switzerland adopts the undetermined basic income as the first european country | Nov 12 12:55 |
| yang | like alaska has | Nov 12 12:56 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/08/walmart-arrests_n_4227411.html | Nov 12 12:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.huffingtonpost.com | Largest Civil Disobedience In Walmart History Leads To More Than 50 Arrests [ http://ur1.ca/g0s35 ] | Nov 12 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | I support the striking Walmart workers. | Nov 12 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart has the United States in a death spiral. Most people (more than half of the population of the United States) work for next to nothing, so they need discounts, so they shop at Walmart, and Walmart makes everyone a little bit poorer, and wages go down some more, and people need more discounts. It's like crack. | Nov 12 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart has an "intelligence" operation that keeps detailed files on all of their employees, that makes what the East German Stasi was doing look like amateur hour. That's kept Walmart's employees from unionizing, demanding fair wages and a little bit of health insurance, and other basic needs of survival, so far. | Nov 12 12:57 |
| yang | we have some kind of fund for nonemployed, however its only about 200 eur that cant really save you from misery | Nov 12 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | Right. Minimal social programs that keep people staring into the abyss. | Nov 12 12:58 |
| yang | i think scandinavian social model is the best | Nov 12 12:59 |
| yang | doesnt this wallmart has some kibd of coupons that people who get welfare have to use in their stores? | Nov 12 13:01 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I pointed out earlier that people in prison in Sweden have a higher standard of living than 40% of the non-imprisoned population of the United States. | Nov 12 13:01 |
| yang | yes | Nov 12 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | That's how bad things have gotten here. It only took about five years to get to this point. | Nov 12 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | When things took a turn for the worst, they pulled out almost all the stops. | Nov 12 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | This is hardly the same country it was in 2008. | Nov 12 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | There's more total wealth now than there was then, but it's distributed differently. The poor are very poor. The rich are very rich. | Nov 12 13:03 |
| yang | same gets here | Nov 12 13:04 |
| yang | middle class slowly dissapearing | Nov 12 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | The only thing that hasn't been cut, yet, is Social Security. | Nov 12 13:04 |
| yang | large unemployments | Nov 12 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | They'll get there. They just haven't figured out quite how to do it yet. | Nov 12 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | There's a large number of people on Social Security. About 60 million. | Nov 12 13:05 |
| DaemonFC | Actually, more than that. | Nov 12 13:05 |
| DaemonFC | So the number of people that would be very angry is very large. | Nov 12 13:05 |
| fewt | DaemonFC: why would you want to strike walmart workers? What have they done to you? | Nov 12 13:10 |
| fewt | also \o | Nov 12 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 12 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | I think you'd have to be pretty brave to strike if you work at Walmart. | Nov 12 13:11 |
| fewt | I agree | Nov 12 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | They're such an oppressive employer. | Nov 12 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | They're even worse now than when I worked there. | Nov 12 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | Almost nobody hired in the last couple of years is full time. | Nov 12 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | So you can't even get enough hours in to make the low wages work out. | Nov 12 13:12 |
| DaemonFC | You'd have to take on a second part time job. | Nov 12 13:12 |
| DaemonFC | And this person that was basically breathing down my neck the other day begging me to come over "for dinner" is now running for the hills. | Nov 12 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | Because he's found out that I'm not one of those single-issue gay activists that will follow the Democrats around like a dog on a leash. | Nov 12 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdrcOGoszlE | Nov 12 13:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Bill Hicks - Aids! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g0sa8 ] | Nov 12 13:22 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Nov 12 13:22 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/m4m/4186654805.html | Nov 12 13:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | Trying some more. Seeking LTR. [ http://ur1.ca/g0sch ] | Nov 12 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | Every time you think you have your bases covered... | Nov 12 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | Half this ad has turned into "Do not contact me, if...." | Nov 12 13:31 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3277280 | Nov 12 13:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: New leaks about #GCHQ teach us that running one's own DNS server might not be so paranoid after all. #nsa #malware #slashdot | Nov 12 13:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Heh, I don't know anything really. I just run bind and point my local computers to it. apt-get install bind 9, and you are up and running because the defaults seem sane. It works very well, but I don't know if it avoids interference from the ISP. I've got a cable modem, a nasty non free computer that works against me, between me and the internet. It might be able to reroute my recursive DNS requests to malicious servers. | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | You can use your computer to block your ISP's spam promoting DNS servers, | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | http://hackercodex.com/guide/how-to-stop-isp-dns-server-hijacking/ | Nov 12 13:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | hackercodex.com | How to Stop Your ISP from Hijacking Your DNS Servers | Hacker Codex [ http://ur1.ca/g0se7 ] | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | I don't have any records to manage and my ISP would thwart me if I did because they name every lease with the address with underlines instead of dots. This creates a conflicting record that I don't think I can do anything about. | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | I've basically given up on DNS and share things with my IP address like this, | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | http://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/2013/2013_11_10-courthouse_field/slide_6.html | Nov 12 13:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | 173.20.223.180 | Another Spitfire Crash [ http://ur1.ca/g0sea ] | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, we used to be with $LOCALMONOPOLYISP and discovered one day that all of a sudden when things were typed into the Firefox addressbar that didn't validate as a known domain, that we'd be redirected to a $LOCALMONOPOLYISP page with ads on it. | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Unbelievable. | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Needless to say, we are no longer with $LOCALMONOPOLYISP, although I never did find a decent, cheap router available locally that could easily be confirmed to run one of the libre firmwares. :-/ | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265636 | Nov 12 13:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/canonical-abused-trademark-law-to-target-a-site-critical-of-ubuntu-privacy/ #ubuntu #canonical #privacy | Nov 12 13:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g01vv ] | Nov 12 13:38 |
| schestowitz | "Well, you may use any trade mark with the permission of the owner. I don't see why OMG! Ubuntu! shouldn't have asked for the permission beforehand. Anyway, Fix Ubuntu has added the disclaimer, removed the logo, and got the permission to use the name in the domain name. I agree that the email was not, as we say in Germany, ‘exactly the fine English way’ to approach the matter, but I got really angry how the FLOSS community seemed | Nov 12 13:38 |
| schestowitz | to treat Canonical like the evil empire. :/' | Nov 12 13:38 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3277964 | Nov 12 13:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Windows zombies are hardly a problem to the owner of the zombied computers; they often deserve this. Innocent people are their victims. | Nov 12 13:39 |
| schestowitz | No one deserves the injustice of non free software, even if they think they want it."77'; | Nov 12 13:39 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3277261 | Nov 12 13:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA espionage is not just against other nations but against people all around the world http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130823/09375924294/did-new-zealand-spooks-tap-into-prism-to-spy-dotcom.shtml #nsa | Nov 12 13:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.techdirt.com | Did New Zealand Spooks Tap Into PRISM To Spy On Dotcom? | Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/g0sf2 ] | Nov 12 13:39 |
| schestowitz | "It may even be the first indication that PRISM's global surveillance system is also being deployed in areas that have nothing to do with terrorism or serious threats to the US or its citizens. " Surprise. Surprise."77" | Nov 12 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Comcast used to do that. | Nov 12 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | You had to call them to opt out. | Nov 12 13:41 |
| DaemonFC | So many people did that, that they stopped doing it. | Nov 12 13:41 |
| MinceR | http://partiallyclips.com/comics/2013-11-11_programmer_at_desk.jpg | Nov 12 14:15 |
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| Sosumi | staring today on google adds | Nov 12 14:51 |
| Sosumi | me | Nov 12 14:52 |
| Sosumi | google add: "Sosumi is an owl and recommends these night vision googles" | Nov 12 14:53 |
| MinceR | :D | Nov 12 14:53 |
| Sosumi | I admit that I had once a facebook profile of me under the name of "midnight commander" | Nov 12 14:59 |
| Sosumi | with a fake profile and everything | Nov 12 15:00 |
| Sosumi | which I used to spy | Nov 12 15:00 |
| Sosumi | now I'm more sufisticated | Nov 12 15:00 |
| Sosumi | bots do it for me | Nov 12 15:00 |
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| MinceR | was your profile image a screenshot of a blue two-pane file manager? | Nov 12 15:01 |
| Sosumi | yes | Nov 12 15:01 |
| Sosumi | lawl, it was as if the file manager had gone sentient | Nov 12 15:02 |
| MinceR | and the opposite of "lawl" is "chaosl" | Nov 12 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | From a 23 year old: "Like, you're old enough to be my uncle, dude." | Nov 12 15:03 |
| *DaemonFC is 29 | Nov 12 15:03 | |
| DaemonFC | Gee, like, let me fire up the old rusty van that says "Free Candy" on the side. | Nov 12 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | Shit. | Nov 12 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 12 15:04 |
| Sosumi | lol | Nov 12 15:04 |
| Sosumi | uncle is too much, you'd have to be in 40s to be one | Nov 12 15:05 |
| Sosumi | *your | Nov 12 15:05 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 12 15:05 |
| Sosumi | but big bro DaemonFC, that'd cut it | Nov 12 15:05 |
| *MinceR demands the recipes of the candy | Nov 12 15:06 | |
| Sosumi | or aniki or sempai in case you're into japanese stuff | Nov 12 15:06 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 12 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | Gee, that movie starts at 7? That's awful late. That's my bedtime. I don't know. I guess I might make it if my arthritis and bad hip don't stop me. | Nov 12 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 12 15:09 |
| Sosumi | which movie? | Nov 12 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know, I was just being sarcastic. | Nov 12 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I could start lying about my age, or win the lottery. | Nov 12 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | Money never hurts. | Nov 12 15:11 |
| Sosumi | it does | Nov 12 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | I could probably say I was 25. | Nov 12 15:12 |
| Sosumi | when it gets stollen from you | Nov 12 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | It's not like any of my relationships last long enough for them to find out. | Nov 12 15:12 |
| Sosumi | let me suggest one thing | Nov 12 15:12 |
| Sosumi | enroll into some course at an university | Nov 12 15:12 |
| iophk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stollen | Nov 12 15:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Stollen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Nov 12 15:12 |
| Sosumi | and look out for the hot teachers | Nov 12 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | Well, there was this guy that has been hitting on me all week. | Nov 12 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | Then he drops the bomb and says "Oh, and I have HIV, and I occasionally use crystal meth." | Nov 12 15:13 |
| Sosumi | ouch | Nov 12 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | "Hold on a minute, I need to get some cigarettes." | Nov 12 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | "That doesn't bother you, does it?" | Nov 12 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | Well, no, not at all. I'm glad you didn't start with that. | Nov 12 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 12 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | But that's the one that's the paid shill for the Democrats. | Nov 12 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | Which I find significantly annoying in and of itself. | Nov 12 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | Not that I'm angry that there are employment opportunities for middle aged meth-smoking men with HIV. I see the Democrats are quite picky about who represents them. | Nov 12 15:16 |
| DaemonFC | He gets quite hateful when you say anything bad about any Democrat. | Nov 12 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | Even the very worst ones, like Erskine Bowles. | Nov 12 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | I agree that the Republicans are the devil. We're on the same page there. | Nov 12 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | The Democrats are like the devil that missed his coffee that morning and isn't quite so good at fucking with people that day. | Nov 12 15:20 |
| Sosumi | I though they were all bad | Nov 12 15:20 |
| Sosumi | and were all sellouts | Nov 12 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. Here's the political map. | Nov 12 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1401210_161770030699703_508635135_o.jpg | Nov 12 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | Notice "You"? That's me. | Nov 12 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | and then up in the right hand corner, there's Obama and Romney. | Nov 12 15:21 |
| Sosumi | I don't believe into libertarianism | Nov 12 15:24 |
| Sosumi | nor on the austrian school of killer austerity and derregulation | Nov 12 15:24 |
| Sosumi | and diminished roles of the state | Nov 12 15:24 |
| Sosumi | my position is right at the origin of the axis | Nov 12 15:25 |
| Sosumi | (0,0) | Nov 12 15:25 |
| Sosumi | perfect balance | Nov 12 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | Sosumi: That's social libertarianism. | Nov 12 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-libertarianism | Nov 12 15:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Left-libertarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g0tc9 ] | Nov 12 15:27 |
| Sosumi | nop | Nov 12 15:28 |
| Sosumi | it's called common sense | Nov 12 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | I'll vote for Bernie Sanders if he is in the primary election. | Nov 12 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know if he will be. The establishment Democrats will do everything they can to crush him. | Nov 12 15:29 |
| Sosumi | not being bound by any school of economics nor any pre-conceived idea | Nov 12 15:29 |
| Sosumi | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_School_%28economics%29 | Nov 12 15:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | American School (economics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g0tdt ] | Nov 12 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | Every time I shake the tree, more mean people, control freaks, weirdos, and legends in their own mind fall out. | Nov 12 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | When you look back, and all the warning signs were there, and you realize just how many things you had to overlook, you really feel stupid. | Nov 12 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | (from my Facebook wall) | Nov 12 15:30 |
| Sosumi | that is what you at least should be supporting | Nov 12 15:30 |
| Sosumi | control freaks and weirdos are all over the place | Nov 12 15:32 |
| Sosumi | actually, there has always been tirany | Nov 12 15:32 |
| Sosumi | but it happened because there were no opposing forces strong enough | Nov 12 15:32 |
| Sosumi | and by the will of the ppl | Nov 12 15:33 |
| Sosumi | and by the exploitation of the "mass man" | Nov 12 15:33 |
| Sosumi | if ppl actually had, sometimes, grey matter inside their brains | Nov 12 15:33 |
| Sosumi | they wouldn't fall for the politricks | Nov 12 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | That comment was actually aimed at that guy. | Nov 12 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 12 15:36 |
| Sosumi | it's like bill cooper used to say | Nov 12 15:36 |
| Sosumi | the price of freedom is eternal vigilance | Nov 12 15:36 |
| Sosumi | if you're not vigilant, you give tyrany a chance to creep in | Nov 12 15:37 |
| fewt | DaemonFC: you shook the tree again, that's why I'm here. You rang? | Nov 12 15:59 |
| fewt | :P | Nov 12 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: I didn't realize you felt that way about me. | Nov 12 16:01 |
| fewt | DaemonFC: I was joking | Nov 12 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | I was being sarcastic. | Nov 12 16:04 |
| fewt | no wai | Nov 12 16:05 |
| fewt | :) | Nov 12 16:06 |
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| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/quantum-of-pwnness-how-nsa-and-gchq-hacked-opec-and-others/ | Nov 12 18:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Quantum of pwnness: How NSA and GCHQ hacked OPEC and others | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g0urz ] | Nov 12 18:11 |
| Sosumi | remember when the nsa hacked airbus to steal info for boeing? | Nov 12 18:12 |
| Sosumi | yay industrial espionage | Nov 12 18:12 |
| Sosumi | and real one | Nov 12 18:12 |
| Sosumi | no trash sniffing | Nov 12 18:12 |
| iophk | Marketing for Bill over at Wired | Nov 12 18:24 |
| iophk | http://www.wired.com/business/2013/11/bill-gates-wired-essay/all/ | Nov 12 18:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | Bill Gates: Here's My Plan to Improve Our World — And How You Can Help | Wired Business | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/g0uu6 ] | Nov 12 18:24 |
| MinceR | i know of a way he could improve the world, but he won't do that | Nov 12 18:25 |
| iophk | :> | Nov 12 18:25 |
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| iophk | What's the status of identi.ca or pump.io? Is the latter a replacement for the former? | Nov 12 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | " | Nov 12 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Gizmodo is conflating things to make Google look as bad as or worse than Facebook. Facebook uses your name and face as they please to create endorsements you had nothing to do with and might object to. Facebook is completely unethical, founded by a vile person who sold out his friends as "dumb fucks" for trusting him, then promoted by Microsoft as the spy implement of the future. Google is nothing like that. | Nov 12 18:55 |
| schestowitz | I don't think Google is not really doing anything wrong to add your reviews and likes to their search results. What you did was public and you might want your friends to find it. If you don't want that to happen, you can turn it off. It might have been better for Google to make this opt in, but the nature of search is not usually like that. Search engines are supposed to find the things you publish and share them in a relevant way. | Nov 12 18:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 12 18:55 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3280073 | Nov 12 18:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Your Face and Name Will Appear in Google Ads Starting Today http://gizmodo.com/googles-going-to-start-sticking-your-face-and-name-in-1443861985/1462317340/@ace advertisers get more aggressive over time | Nov 12 18:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> gizmodo.com | Your Face and Name Will Appear in Google Ads Starting Today [ http://ur1.ca/g0qt6 ] | Nov 12 18:55 |
| schestowitz | "The problem with Google is that it's becoming slowly like Facebook, I remember that Facebook was not so bad a few years ago, therefore Google might become what Facebook is now in a few years more. It's so simple that there is nothing free, therefore if Google (or Facebook or whatever) charge you nothing for its services then they have to have another way of getting money. Companies are in the business of making money after all." | Nov 12 18:56 |
| schestowitz | The question is, what is the product and who is the buyer? | Nov 12 18:56 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3277867 | Nov 12 18:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Less Than 20% Of Americans Believe That There's Adequate Oversight Of The NSA http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131103/23113025112/less-than-20-americans-believe-that-theres-adequate-oversight-nsa.shtml similar to belief against global warming | Nov 12 18:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.techdirt.com | Less Than 20% Of Americans Believe That There's Adequate Oversight Of The NSA | Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/g0p60 ] | Nov 12 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Making the world safe for "democracy"."77" | Nov 12 18:57 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3280072 | Nov 12 18:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hillsboro School District considering open-source solutions in wake of failed bond measure http://www.oregonlive.com/hillsboro/index.ssf/2013/11/hillsboro_school_district_cons_1.html #gnu #linux | Nov 12 18:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.oregonlive.com | Hillsboro School District considering open-source solutions in wake of failed bond measure | OregonLive.com [ http://ur1.ca/g0qa2 ] | Nov 12 18:57 |
| schestowitz | "There will be more of this, depending on how free and honest local governments are." | Nov 12 18:57 |
| Sosumi | Mincer, seppuku | Nov 12 19:01 |
| MinceR | also, he could use his wealth to compensate the people he has harmed | Nov 12 19:01 |
| Sosumi | yep | Nov 12 19:02 |
| MinceR | his total wealth is probably less than the damage caused, but he could still improve the world | Nov 12 19:02 |
| Sosumi | wasn't he also the guy who was advocating vaccines for the porpuses of reducing population? | Nov 12 19:02 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure how vaccines are supposed to do that | Nov 12 19:03 |
| MinceR | but i agree both with vaccination and reducing population | Nov 12 19:03 |
| Sosumi | by including mercury and alluminium adjuvants | Nov 12 19:03 |
| Sosumi | aluminum | Nov 12 19:04 |
| Sosumi | and some don't work at all | Nov 12 19:04 |
| Sosumi | like the HPV vaccine | Nov 12 19:04 |
| Sosumi | welcome to the pharma industrial complex | Nov 12 19:05 |
| Sosumi | as for population reduction | Nov 12 19:05 |
| Sosumi | only of the wrong kind | Nov 12 19:05 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 12 19:05 |
| Sosumi | but then, what would distinguish me from the shickleguber guy | Nov 12 19:05 |
| Sosumi | the final solution to prevent global warming | Nov 12 19:05 |
| Sosumi | start colonizing the solar system | Nov 12 19:06 |
| Sosumi | and the (inexisting) overpopulation problem goes away | Nov 12 19:07 |
| Sosumi | and it isn't that hard, stop the wars, funnel the money to the space program | Nov 12 19:08 |
| Sosumi | and all that new tech will find it's way in a way or another to the public | Nov 12 19:08 |
| Sosumi | like it did in the 60s | Nov 12 19:08 |
| Sosumi | also, use the money to decomission those old nuclear plants and build new and better ones | Nov 12 19:09 |
| Sosumi | instead of waiting for a fukushima in the US | Nov 12 19:09 |
| Sosumi | and helen caldicot is a nincompoop | Nov 12 19:10 |
| Sosumi | :) | Nov 12 19:10 |
| Sosumi | actually she should merge her foundation with billy and melinda jobs foundation | Nov 12 19:12 |
| Sosumi | and call it thomas malthus effin' rules! | Nov 12 19:13 |
| MinceR | what makes you think that the overpopulation problem doesn't exist? | Nov 12 19:14 |
| Sosumi | because it doesn't exist | Nov 12 19:14 |
| MinceR | uh huh | Nov 12 19:14 |
| Sosumi | all you see is too much concentration of ppl in a single place | Nov 12 19:14 |
| MinceR | not just that | Nov 12 19:15 |
| Sosumi | the other areas, specially the interior more rural zones are going desert as the oldies die | Nov 12 19:15 |
| MinceR | there's also the additional space used to support all those people | Nov 12 19:15 |
| Sosumi | well ofc | Nov 12 19:16 |
| MinceR | also, it seems to me that people do feel the pressure from that concentration | Nov 12 19:16 |
| Sosumi | as the population concentrates just in one area, sure | Nov 12 19:16 |
| schestowitz | [18:50] <iophk> What's the status of identi.ca or pump.io? Is the latter a replacement for the former? | Nov 12 19:16 |
| schestowitz | One of the software, one an instance of it running | Nov 12 19:16 |
| schestowitz | same with statusnet, now GNU Social | Nov 12 19:16 |
| MinceR | unless it's just the hungarian surliness some visitors report... | Nov 12 19:16 |
| schestowitz | iophk: Gates got some Wired ads before | Nov 12 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Wired is not credible | Nov 12 19:17 |
| MinceR | also, if one promotes spreading out the population from the current concentrated regions, that will take its toll on currently less bothered areas | Nov 12 19:17 |
| schestowitz | it did some dubious things amid the fight against leakers | Nov 12 19:17 |
| MinceR | i.e. they'll cut down forests and the suffocate | Nov 12 19:17 |
| MinceR | s/the /then / | Nov 12 19:17 |
| Sosumi | it's called realocation | Nov 12 19:17 |
| Sosumi | as the other zones go desert | Nov 12 19:18 |
| Sosumi | nature will simply take over | Nov 12 19:18 |
| Sosumi | and the balance is maintained | Nov 12 19:18 |
| MinceR | i don't see much in the way of zones going deserted | Nov 12 19:18 |
| Sosumi | I see | Nov 12 19:18 |
| Sosumi | here in portugal | Nov 12 19:18 |
| Sosumi | the interior of the country is going desert | Nov 12 19:18 |
| Sosumi | with the population concentrating in the big cities and perifery | Nov 12 19:19 |
| Sosumi | because that's were the jobs are | Nov 12 19:19 |
| Sosumi | and europe is going old and dying, so is japan | Nov 12 19:20 |
| Sosumi | and the population isn't growing at all | Nov 12 19:20 |
| Sosumi | and the only reason the US is growing is thx to the migrants coming in fromm another countries | Nov 12 19:20 |
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| Sosumi | just like in the UK | Nov 12 19:25 |
| Sosumi | in london natives are becoming a minority | Nov 12 19:25 |
| Sosumi | but then again, for those who do believe in overpopulation | Nov 12 19:26 |
| Sosumi | go protest to stop the wars | Nov 12 19:26 |
| Sosumi | and demand the money to be funneled into the space program | Nov 12 19:27 |
| Sosumi | and solar system colonization | Nov 12 19:27 |
| schestowitz | [19:19] <s-534> @Asher_Wolf "Corporate power is a scourge on democracy", | Nov 12 19:27 |
| schestowitz | [19:19] <s-534> retweeted by writes Victoria Rollison. Its why we have to | Nov 12 19:27 |
| schestowitz | [19:19] <s-534> @Thomas_Drake1 stop the #TPPA http://t.co/n4p0GXl1RV | Nov 12 19:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | theaimn.com | An Open Letter to George Monbiot « The Australian Independent Media Network | Nov 12 19:27 |
| Sosumi | which would in fact work very well as pretest for a post war scenario | Nov 12 19:27 |
| Sosumi | much better than that presented by the club of rome | Nov 12 19:28 |
| Sosumi | in which the global warming drama is based and making humanity itself the enemy | Nov 12 19:28 |
| Sosumi | because hey, the planet is going to blow one day, | Nov 12 19:28 |
| MinceR | do you think such protests would do anything? :> | Nov 12 19:29 |
| Sosumi | the sun will also do funy stuff | Nov 12 19:29 |
| MinceR | yeah, in a couple billion years | Nov 12 19:29 |
| MinceR | humanity is destroying itself on a much faster scale | Nov 12 19:29 |
| Sosumi | well if they're occupy wallstreet like | Nov 12 19:29 |
| Sosumi | with no demands | Nov 12 19:29 |
| Sosumi | no organization | Nov 12 19:29 |
| MinceR | did occupy accomplish anything? | Nov 12 19:30 |
| Sosumi | just anarchysm and the promotion of survival of the fittest (libertarianism, corps preying on the folks with no oversight) | Nov 12 19:30 |
| Sosumi | ofc they wont accomplish anything | Nov 12 19:30 |
| Sosumi | and who cares if it's a million of years away, start working on it now | Nov 12 19:31 |
| Sosumi | or we can just all go party like it's 1999 and when stuff happen, well though luck | Nov 12 19:36 |
| Sosumi | if you're one of the unwashed masses, because the big boys have bunkers and complete underground systems | Nov 12 19:37 |
| Sosumi | as planed and advised by the rand corporation back during the days of MAD | Nov 12 19:37 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 12 19:38 |
| Sosumi | but hey war is kewl | Nov 12 19:39 |
| Sosumi | let's go make a B52 go rogue | Nov 12 19:39 |
| Sosumi | drop a nuke in LA | Nov 12 19:39 |
| Sosumi | and blame it on iRan | Nov 12 19:39 |
| Sosumi | or syria | Nov 12 19:40 |
| Sosumi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_United_States_Air_Force_nuclear_weapons_incident | Nov 12 19:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | 2007 United States Air Force nuclear weapons incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g0vav ] | Nov 12 19:41 |
| Sosumi | https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/11/cryptographic_b.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter | Nov 12 20:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.schneier.com | Schneier on Security: Cryptographic Blunders Revealed by Adobe's Password Leak [ http://ur1.ca/g0vfx ] | Nov 12 20:02 |
| Sosumi | adobe should start using concrete | Nov 12 20:02 |
| Sosumi | it's more "resilient" | Nov 12 20:02 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 12 20:22 |
| MinceR | adobe should start looking for a job they're qualified for | Nov 12 20:22 |
| MinceR | software development is clearly not it | Nov 12 20:22 |
| Sosumi | http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/adobe-construction1.jpg | Nov 12 20:45 |
| Sosumi | maybe that would halve the housing bubble | Nov 12 20:46 |
| Sosumi | since housing prices are still beyond the real price | Nov 12 20:47 |
| Sosumi | actually the best way to buy house at this moment is to get one of those foreclosed houses/apartments | Nov 12 20:48 |
| iophk | or abandoned ones | Nov 12 20:48 |
| iophk | you can get some for 4 figures, low | Nov 12 20:48 |
| Sosumi | for example, my mother's cost 50000€ while the normal price is 125000€ | Nov 12 20:49 |
| iophk | still in ok shape | Nov 12 20:49 |
| Sosumi | just move to detroit :P | Nov 12 20:49 |
| iophk | that would be the downside | Nov 12 20:49 |
| Sosumi | I haven't exactly seen abandoned apartments around here | Nov 12 20:50 |
| Sosumi | although most apartments here at my block (I live with my mother aka the laundry lady) | Nov 12 20:50 |
| Sosumi | are empty | Nov 12 20:50 |
| Sosumi | or on rental for students | Nov 12 20:50 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if adobes are a good fit for various climates, though | Nov 12 20:51 |
| Sosumi | adobes are only good for dry climate | Nov 12 20:51 |
| Sosumi | that's why you see them mostly in africa | Nov 12 20:52 |
| Sosumi | and arabia too | Nov 12 20:52 |
| Sosumi | adobes are also good for earthquake prone areas | Nov 12 20:53 |
| Sosumi | you can easily get out of the rumble | Nov 12 20:54 |
| Sosumi | maybe helen caldicott is going to advise that for japan next time she spills some poison | Nov 12 20:56 |
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| Sosumi | http://slashdot.org/topic/datacenter/nsa-specs-cybersecurity-curriculum-for-21st-century/ | Nov 12 21:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | slashdot.org | NSA Specs Cybersecurity Curriculum for 21st Century [ http://ur1.ca/g0vxi ] | Nov 12 21:17 |
| Sosumi | raytheon, grumman | Nov 12 21:18 |
| Sosumi | two tentacles of the military and intelligence industrial complex | Nov 12 21:19 |
| Sosumi | didn't Eisenhower alert that the military industrial complex would rob "us" of our geniuses? | Nov 12 21:20 |
| Sosumi | and actually, many of the geniuses are recruited from the universities | Nov 12 21:22 |
| Sosumi | it's common practice for the "partners" to have an eye on grades and projects | Nov 12 21:22 |
| Sosumi | and actually if there was something that cliff stoll's cucku egg teached me was that if you're looking into information or trying to infiltrate into military systems | Nov 12 21:24 |
| Sosumi | the best place is to go through an university | Nov 12 21:24 |
| Sosumi | *way, not place | Nov 12 21:25 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3277280 | Nov 12 21:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: New leaks about #GCHQ teach us that running one's own DNS server might not be so paranoid after all. #nsa #malware #slashdot | Nov 12 21:33 |
| schestowitz | "I think I totally got the wrong end of the stick, which almost implies ineptitude, seriously! I understand now that we're talking about running a local DNS server for client resolves, rather than for maintaining one's own public DNS records for local services/etc." | Nov 12 21:34 |
| Sosumi | it's just like some folks say | Nov 12 21:37 |
| Sosumi | just because you're not paranoid, doesn't mean that they aren't out there to get you | Nov 12 21:37 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 12 21:37 |
| Sosumi | https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_aBJyZwt1wE/Un_MBTzXbWI/AAAAAAAAAME/P2T46x0PVy0/w720-h529-no/iLinux.gif | Nov 12 21:46 |
| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/ | Nov 12 21:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | paidcontent.org | paidContent | Nov 12 21:47 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3281627 | Nov 12 21:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Quantum of pwnness: How NSA and GCHQ hacked OPEC and others http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/quantum-of-pwnness-how-nsa-and-gchq-hacked-opec-and-others/ crimes of authorities | Nov 12 21:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | Quantum of pwnness: How NSA and GCHQ hacked OPEC and others | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g0urz ] | Nov 12 21:47 |
| schestowitz | "It must be quite sad to realize that UK became second USA ..." | Nov 12 21:47 |
| Sosumi | wrong | Nov 12 21:48 |
| schestowitz | used to be the opposite.Now the tail wags the dog. | Nov 12 21:48 |
| Sosumi | british intelligence is still the best | Nov 12 21:48 |
| schestowitz | meh | Nov 12 21:48 |
| Sosumi | it's like a teacher of mine used to say | Nov 12 21:48 |
| Sosumi | britain provides the intelligence | Nov 12 21:48 |
| Sosumi | america the bodies | Nov 12 21:49 |
| schestowitz | \ | Nov 12 21:49 |
| Sosumi | *and maerica provides the bodies | Nov 12 21:49 |
| schestowitz | !google africa iraq british intel | Nov 12 21:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Niger uranium forgeries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries | Nov 12 21:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - List of intelligence agencies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_intelligence_agencies | Nov 12 21:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Iraq did not seek to acquire yellowcake uranium - Leading To War ... | http://www.leadingtowar.com/claims_facts_yellowcake.php | Nov 12 21:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - New Fight Over Iraq Nuke Claim - CBS News | http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500257_162-560449.html | Nov 12 21:49 |
| Sosumi | or in other words, the cannon fodder | Nov 12 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Israel does that too | Nov 12 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Both ways | Nov 12 21:49 |
| MinceR | Sosumi: is that a GNU/Linux distribution using Gnome and an OSuX skin? | Nov 12 21:49 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 12 21:49 |
| schestowitz | US supplies the arms | Nov 12 21:50 |
| Sosumi | yep | Nov 12 21:50 |
| Sosumi | MinceR, just found it fun | Nov 12 21:50 |
| MinceR | still better than any version of macos | Nov 12 21:50 |
| schestowitz | and sometimes the US Army comes over with carriers for some oil agenda with a bit of Zionist agenda | Nov 12 21:50 |
| Sosumi | that is true too | Nov 12 21:51 |
| Sosumi | MinceR, osx is dead | Nov 12 21:51 |
| Sosumi | DEAD, kaput | Nov 12 21:51 |
| MinceR | not dead enough | Nov 12 21:51 |
| MinceR | yet | Nov 12 21:51 |
| Sosumi | it died in 2011 | Nov 12 21:52 |
| MinceR | or at least not as dead as i'd like it to be | Nov 12 21:52 |
| Sosumi | when crApple released 10.7 | Nov 12 21:52 |
| Sosumi | let the fools have their shiny junk | Nov 12 21:52 |
| Sosumi | and bath in limitation | Nov 12 21:52 |
| Sosumi | just like they did when they were school children or lived under the oversight of a guardian | Nov 12 21:53 |
| MinceR | so long as there aren't too many of them, to distract hardware and application developers | Nov 12 21:54 |
| MinceR | and to legitimize DRM | Nov 12 21:54 |
| MinceR | and to fund crApple's war on freedom | Nov 12 21:54 |
| Sosumi | for that there's windows already | Nov 12 21:54 |
| Sosumi | and M$ | Nov 12 21:54 |
| MinceR | yeah, winblows isn't as dead as it needs to be, either | Nov 12 21:54 |
| Sosumi | and probably never will, that's a fact | Nov 12 21:55 |
| Sosumi | this is like 2nd phase WWI | Nov 12 21:55 |
| Sosumi | man the trenches and hope for the best | Nov 12 21:55 |
| Sosumi | and attack when disaster hits the enemy | Nov 12 21:56 |
| Sosumi | which so far hasn't been that explored | Nov 12 21:57 |
| schestowitz | [21:14] <s-534> @PTiberias @Thomas_Drake1 We used to wonder how an entire | Nov 12 21:57 |
| schestowitz | [21:14] <s-534> retweeted by nation could fall under the spell of Hitler and | Nov 12 21:57 |
| schestowitz | [21:14] <s-534> @Thomas_Drake1 how his SS could do such evil. I know now. | Nov 12 21:57 |
| Sosumi | like the snowden "confirmations" | Nov 12 21:57 |
| Sosumi | has red hat actually said something or the fedora guys | Nov 12 21:58 |
| Sosumi | nah | Nov 12 21:58 |
| Sosumi | all quiet | Nov 12 21:58 |
| Sosumi | only the advocacy folks seem to actually care | Nov 12 21:58 |
| Sosumi | and who says windows can say facebook and google | Nov 12 21:59 |
| Sosumi | for example, google on a propaganda piece said they were going to encrypt their internal networking | Nov 12 22:03 |
| Sosumi | like if that had any effect | Nov 12 22:04 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3277280 | Nov 12 22:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: New leaks about #GCHQ teach us that running one's own DNS server might not be so paranoid after all. #nsa #malware #slashdot | Nov 12 22:04 |
| schestowitz | "It's the same bind for both, thanks. The IT guy who used to work here had set all that up with ISPConfig on top of Debian and it worked very well for public records and dhcp as well." | Nov 12 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Sosumi: lol | Nov 12 22:05 |
| schestowitz | I encrypt my synapses | Nov 12 22:05 |
| Sosumi | I do airgapping | Nov 12 22:06 |
| Sosumi | only the machines that need to be connected to the internet, actually are | Nov 12 22:06 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3280073 | Nov 12 22:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Your Face and Name Will Appear in Google Ads Starting Today http://gizmodo.com/googles-going-to-start-sticking-your-face-and-name-in-1443861985/1462317340/@ace advertisers get more aggressive over time | Nov 12 22:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> gizmodo.com | Your Face and Name Will Appear in Google Ads Starting Today [ http://ur1.ca/g0qt6 ] | Nov 12 22:08 |
| schestowitz | "Despite the nasty examples provided by non free software owners and jerky websites and big publishers before them, advertising can be honest. There's nothing wrong with simple, anonymous awareness advertising. Simple, local classified ads financed journalism and other useful services." | Nov 12 22:09 |
| Sosumi | google add for tangy tangerine: tangy tangerine is so nutritional that kim jung un was disposed to attack the US in order to steal alex jones's 40 years worth of supply | Nov 12 22:14 |
| MinceR | lol wut | Nov 12 22:17 |
| Sosumi | doesn't alex jones sell snake oil supplements? | Nov 12 22:18 |
| Sosumi | and during that time of north korea hysteria | Nov 12 22:18 |
| Sosumi | he was selling some powder with that name | Nov 12 22:18 |
| Sosumi | the joke at the time and I even said on one of his videos | Nov 12 22:19 |
| Sosumi | was that kimmy boy only wanted to attack the US in order to steal jonesi 40 years old of supply of tangy tangerine | Nov 12 22:19 |
| Sosumi | since during that jonesi was also yaping about barricading his house while "supposedely" everything falls apart | Nov 12 22:21 |
| Sosumi | *supposedly | Nov 12 22:21 |
| Sosumi | and was having at that time that guy steve pchnick or wathever his last name is | Nov 12 22:22 |
| Sosumi | who all he did was to besides talking out of his "butt" about comonsensical things about NKorea | Nov 12 22:23 |
| Sosumi | was also parroting tom clancy | Nov 12 22:24 |
| schestowitz | awww | Nov 12 22:24 |
| schestowitz | jones.. | Nov 12 22:24 |
| schestowitz | who is that person and what is he for? | Nov 12 22:24 |
| schestowitz | What do you make of him? | Nov 12 22:24 |
| Sosumi | jonesi? | Nov 12 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Some good mate of mine reckons he is "controlled opposition" noe | Nov 12 22:24 |
| schestowitz | *now | Nov 12 22:24 |
| Sosumi | a con artist | Nov 12 22:24 |
| schestowitz | whose? | Nov 12 22:25 |
| schestowitz | a lot of what he rouched turns to "conspiracy theory" | Nov 12 22:25 |
| schestowitz | even the true things | Nov 12 22:25 |
| schestowitz | So I know damn well who that serves... | Nov 12 22:25 |
| Sosumi | at the moment he stopped having tarpley in | Nov 12 22:25 |
| schestowitz | tarpley? | Nov 12 22:26 |
| Sosumi | webster tarpley | Nov 12 22:26 |
| Sosumi | is when he actually went full gaga | Nov 12 22:26 |
| schestowitz | in between promoting all sorts of placebos and science fiction, he does touch some real points, but that just helps discredit these points | Nov 12 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Not Sheen? | Nov 12 22:27 |
| Sosumi | Sheen? | Nov 12 22:27 |
| schestowitz | he befriended him | Nov 12 22:28 |
| schestowitz | back in the days | Nov 12 22:28 |
| schestowitz | before Sheen went total loon | Nov 12 22:28 |
| schestowitz | or around that time... | Nov 12 22:28 |
| schestowitz | !google sheen alex jones | Nov 12 22:28 |
| Sosumi | ho buddy love | Nov 12 22:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Charlie Sheen Unleashed: I'm Not Taking It Anymore!! 1/3 - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DQGdshc0AtOE | Nov 12 22:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Inside The Mind Of Charlie Sheen Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a ... | http://www.infowars.com/inside-the-mind-of-charlie-sheen/ | Nov 12 22:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Alex Jones Interviews Charlie Sheen - Infowars | http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/sheen_questions_official_911_story_audio.htm | Nov 12 22:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Alex Jones: Charlie Sheen situation blew up in my face - National ... | http://www.examiner.com/article/alex-jones-charlie-sheen-situation-blew-up-my-face | Nov 12 22:28 |
| Sosumi | the guy who played him on wallstreet | Nov 12 22:28 |
| Sosumi | yes | Nov 12 22:28 |
| Sosumi | yeah, I guess so | Nov 12 22:29 |
| schestowitz | "Jones wanted to give Sheen, his friend, a media outlet to help dispel some of the rumors that are circulating. He also thought the he and Sheen would discuss Sheen's video message to Obama. Media Matters accused Jones of using the Charlie Sheen situation to garner publicity for his own hot topics, namely 9/11 and the fall of Building 7, the Bush administration, the war in Iraq, the TSA and Homeland Security and the Federal Reserve.' | Nov 12 22:29 |
| Sosumi | and it was also during that time he was supporting kokesh guy and his march unto dc with weapons in hand | Nov 12 22:30 |
| *sebsebseb (~mageiause@fsf/member/sebsebseb) has joined #techrights | Nov 12 22:30 | |
| sebsebseb | Nov 12 22:30 | |
| schestowitz | "After reading several articles posted around the Internet, it seems that the vast majority of readers are in full support of Alex Jones and most are concerned for Charlie Sheen. The only people who seem to really be coming out against either of them are the media, as evidenced by this article at The Wire, saying that Alex is even crazier than Sheen and, of course, the above mentioned article at Media Matters." | Nov 12 22:30 |
| schestowitz | I sub'ed to media matters recently | Nov 12 22:30 |
| schestowitz | only to be disappointed | Nov 12 22:30 |
| schestowitz | it's some fake 'leftist' site | Nov 12 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | Nov 12 22:30 | |
| schestowitz | anti-Fox and GOP | Nov 12 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Fox hates them | Nov 12 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: new Linux maazine wanting crowd funding | Nov 12 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | magaine | Nov 12 22:31 |
| schestowitz | But it does shore up the fiction that other channels and politicians are "left" | Nov 12 22:31 |
| schestowitz | or "good" | Nov 12 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Just ignoring one side of the issue | Nov 12 22:31 |
| schestowitz | FAIR is far better than Media Matters | Nov 12 22:31 |
| Sosumi | just to answer your question, about who he is serving | Nov 12 22:32 |
| schestowitz | himself | Nov 12 22:32 |
| schestowitz | but also some others | Nov 12 22:32 |
| Sosumi | well ofc | Nov 12 22:32 |
| schestowitz | they just need to associate criticism with him | Nov 12 22:32 |
| schestowitz | e.g. BBC would show HIM as the anti-Bilderberg | Nov 12 22:33 |
| schestowitz | because he already has reputation for "conspiracy theory" | Nov 12 22:33 |
| schestowitz | And the BBC interview begins by describing him as such to his face | Nov 12 22:33 |
| Sosumi | but he's serving the derregulation, pro-anarchy wings | Nov 12 22:33 |
| Sosumi | ppl like peter thiel for example of the bilderberg stearing comitee | Nov 12 22:34 |
| schestowitz | So that's all sorted, nothing rogue in billionaires meeting politicians in secret at taxpayers' expense with lots of cops and road closures | Nov 12 22:34 |
| Sosumi | and campaign contributor for ron paul | Nov 12 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Paul is OK, I mostly like him | Nov 12 22:35 |
| Sosumi | but look how the big boys tried to discredit the bilderberg protests | Nov 12 22:35 |
| schestowitz | But he got tied up with GOP as of late | Nov 12 22:35 |
| schestowitz | And his son isn't making a good impression, a few policies aside | Nov 12 22:35 |
| schestowitz | They got tied up with the corporatist party | Nov 12 22:35 |
| Sosumi | by featuring in ppl like david icke talking about nonsense | Nov 12 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Atgh | Nov 12 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Icke | Nov 12 22:35 |
| schestowitz | !google openbytes icke | Nov 12 22:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - OpenBytes - Goblin's Domain | From GNU/Linux to Warhammer ... | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/ | Nov 12 22:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The People's Voice – Icke TV | OpenBytes - Goblin's Domain | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2013/10/11/6511/ | Nov 12 22:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Tim Sparrow (Goblin) (_Goblin) on Twitter | https://twitter.com/_Goblin | Nov 12 22:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Tim Sparrow - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/user/Openbytes | Nov 12 22:36 |
| schestowitz | He summed that up recently | Nov 12 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Another case of mixing fiction with fact | Nov 12 22:36 |
| schestowitz | luring people in for facts | Nov 12 22:36 |
| Sosumi | yep | Nov 12 22:36 |
| schestowitz | and then spoonfeeding them batshit crazy stuff | Nov 12 22:36 |
| Sosumi | and putting them running in circles | Nov 12 22:36 |
| schestowitz | like forums that get polluted with "alien" stories | Nov 12 22:37 |
| schestowitz | driving away people who followed them.. | Nov 12 22:37 |
| Sosumi | aliens was the best excuse | Nov 12 22:37 |
| Sosumi | to cover sighting of experimental aircraft | Nov 12 22:37 |
| Sosumi | *sightings | Nov 12 22:38 |
| schestowitz | CNN uses Jones to demonise pro-guns folks | Nov 12 22:38 |
| schestowitz | !google jones cnn guns | Nov 12 22:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Social media abuzz over Piers Morgan vs. Alex Jones - CNN.com | http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/07/us/piers-morgan-guns-debate/ | Nov 12 22:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Opinion: How young people fight guns - CNN.com | http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/17/opinion/jones-gun-control/ | Nov 12 22:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - CNN's Van Jones and S.E. Cupp Blow Up Over Right to Have Guns ... | http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-van-jones-and-s-e-cupp-blow-up-over-right-to-have-guns-in-schools/ | Nov 12 22:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - On CNN's Crossfire, Van Jones Exposes Conservative Media's ... | http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/09/13/on-cnns-crossfire-van-jones-exposes-conservativ/195884 | Nov 12 22:38 |
| Sosumi | making himself be the model of a typical gun owner | Nov 12 22:39 |
| Sosumi | which is false ofc, but then the mudstream media uses to demonize everyone | Nov 12 22:40 |
| Sosumi | but let's just not even stop at jones | Nov 12 22:40 |
| schestowitz | a lot of pro-gun people who follow jones didn't like what they did there and what he too did there | Nov 12 22:40 |
| Sosumi | coast to coast am, is just as bad | Nov 12 22:40 |
| schestowitz | here we have Icke | Nov 12 22:40 |
| schestowitz | a few others, but lesser known | Nov 12 22:40 |
| Sosumi | coast to coast am was arthur bell show | Nov 12 22:41 |
| Sosumi | same junk | Nov 12 22:41 |
| Sosumi | and even older than jones | Nov 12 22:41 |
| Sosumi | and still ongoing, although with a different guy | Nov 12 22:42 |
| Sosumi | Kony Expedition/ Ancient Mysteries | Nov 12 22:43 |
| Sosumi | Thursday November 7, 2013 | Nov 12 22:43 |
| Sosumi | In the first half, author and adventurer Robert Young Pelton discussed his Expedition Kony project, in which he plans to seek out the fugitive warlord and alleged mass murderer Joseph Kony, who is on the run in the jungles of Africa. In the... | Nov 12 22:43 |
| Sosumi | Host: George Noory | Nov 12 22:43 |
| Sosumi | Guest(s): Erich vonDaniken, Robert Young Pelton | Nov 12 22:43 |
| Sosumi | from november 7 | Nov 12 22:43 |
| Sosumi | wasn't that guy erich who got caught for falsifying tablets and the so called crystal skull from the mayas | Nov 12 22:44 |
| Sosumi | after the launch of his book "chariots of the gods" | Nov 12 22:44 |
| Sosumi | actually, back in the day, folks used to laugh saying that daniken had fallen from his chariot | Nov 12 22:44 |
| schestowitz | \\\\\\\kony LOL | Nov 12 22:44 |
| Sosumi | yeah CONA | Nov 12 22:44 |
| Sosumi | or kony | Nov 12 22:45 |
| Sosumi | lawl | Nov 12 22:45 |
| Sosumi | cona is tawt is portuguese, but never mind that | Nov 12 22:45 |
| Snowleaksange | ah i know robert young pleton | Nov 12 22:45 |
| Snowleaksange | thats the dangerous magazine guy | Nov 12 22:45 |
| Snowleaksange | http://dangerousmagazine.com/ | Nov 12 22:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | dangerousmagazine.com | Dangerous Magazine - For Those Who Live On The Edge | Nov 12 22:46 |
| Sosumi | never heard of him | Nov 12 22:47 |
| Sosumi | but from those talk radios | Nov 12 22:47 |
| Sosumi | I heard or read, don't remember | Nov 12 22:48 |
| Sosumi | that at least those about religion were tied to the CIA | Nov 12 22:48 |
| Sosumi | in order instil a sense of "fatalism" in the ppl | Nov 12 22:49 |
| Sosumi | like don't do anything because in the end god is going to save you | Nov 12 22:49 |
| Sosumi | basically disempowring them | Nov 12 22:49 |
| Snowleaksange | eh? religion is a cia plot? | Nov 12 22:49 |
| Sosumi | no, but it can be used for psychological warfare | Nov 12 22:50 |
| schestowitz | can? | Nov 12 22:50 |
| schestowitz | is | Nov 12 22:50 |
| Snowleaksange | i remember pelton tv interviews from few years ago during somali pirate spat | Nov 12 22:50 |
| schestowitz | I was in Church this last Sunday | Nov 12 22:50 |
| schestowitz | witnessing the crainwash | Nov 12 22:50 |
| schestowitz | it's interesting | Nov 12 22:50 |
| schestowitz | They used kids | Nov 12 22:50 |
| Sosumi | well, religion in itself is psychological warframe | Nov 12 22:51 |
| schestowitz | uploaded hours ago: http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/October-November-2013/Church-Album/st-patricks-church8 | Nov 12 22:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | schestowitz.com | st-patricks-church8 [ http://ur1.ca/g0wfw ] | Nov 12 22:51 |
| MinceR | competition among memes :> | Nov 12 22:51 |
| Sosumi | created by the priesthoods of the time and still used | Nov 12 22:51 |
| MinceR | nice effect | Nov 12 22:51 |
| schestowitz | when I go to church, which is not often, I feel a bit like a mole | Nov 12 22:51 |
| Snowleaksange | yeah but anything can be used for psychological warfare | Nov 12 22:51 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 12 22:51 |
| schestowitz | learning the rituals | Nov 12 22:51 |
| Snowleaksange | north korea uses stolen disney characters | Nov 12 22:52 |
| schestowitz | they really do nasty things to the children there, on stage, too... | Nov 12 22:52 |
| Sosumi | because no one said, other than the first priests, that we needed them as mediators between us, the profane and them the adept | Nov 12 22:52 |
| schestowitz | lock-in, fear-instilling, building friendships with imaginary things... | Nov 12 22:52 |
| MinceR | even without priests, religions are dangerous memes | Nov 12 22:53 |
| schestowitz | dangerous to the people | Nov 12 22:53 |
| schestowitz | not to those in power | Nov 12 22:53 |
| Sosumi | exactly | Nov 12 22:53 |
| MinceR | dangerous to the minds it infects | Nov 12 22:53 |
| schestowitz | but the assumption is that to the weak and miserable religion offer a second chance, a next world | Nov 12 22:53 |
| MinceR | corrupting methods of thought, giving wrong but very strongly believed answers to various questions | Nov 12 22:54 |
| schestowitz | I think religion is not derived from authority seeking but from people's lust for eternal life or fear of death | Nov 12 22:54 |
| schestowitz | later it can get miused | Nov 12 22:54 |
| MinceR | pitting people against each other | Nov 12 22:54 |
| Snowleaksange | spiritiualism is evolutionarily adaptive and religions are outgrowths of that | Nov 12 22:54 |
| Sosumi | remember fellow cristians, when the fellow tsa agent pats you down or the evil policeman beats your wife and shoots your dog | Nov 12 22:54 |
| schestowitz | from worshipping the sun to worshipping and building pyramids to God-like "kings' | Nov 12 22:54 |
| MinceR | yeah, fear of death is a strong motivator | Nov 12 22:54 |
| Sosumi | recite romans 13 | Nov 12 22:54 |
| MinceR | fear of the unknown is another | Nov 12 22:54 |
| MinceR | oh, and fear of different people | Nov 12 22:55 |
| schestowitz | religion justifies it | Nov 12 22:55 |
| schestowitz | esp. if they are genetically similar | Nov 12 22:55 |
| schestowitz | likle catholics and protestants in Irland | Nov 12 22:55 |
| Sosumi | "And do this, understanding the present time: The hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed." | Nov 12 22:55 |
| schestowitz | *Ireland | Nov 12 22:55 |
| schestowitz | So it can divide WITHIn a race, too | Nov 12 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Mormons, Jehovag;s Witnesses, etc. | Nov 12 22:55 |
| Snowleaksange | for better or worse god-fun-times are part of humanity | Nov 12 22:56 |
| schestowitz | They wasted hours of our time by approaching us when we couldn't run away, I always fainted at the time | Nov 12 22:56 |
| schestowitz | teenage "elders" | Nov 12 22:56 |
| Sosumi | yeah, well it's kind of similar to voting, after swalling the frog, by each day that passes you're closer to voting time again | Nov 12 22:56 |
| Sosumi | and again in hope of "change that can be believed in" | Nov 12 22:56 |
| schestowitz | But we got a thick book of mormon.. another thing I can defecate on.. | Nov 12 22:56 |
| Sosumi | you vote again | Nov 12 22:57 |
| Sosumi | and again | Nov 12 22:57 |
| Sosumi | and again | Nov 12 22:57 |
| Sosumi | constantly in hope | Nov 12 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Hope is good | Nov 12 22:57 |
| schestowitz | For everyone | Nov 12 22:57 |
| Sosumi | until it's time to depart this earthly existance | Nov 12 22:57 |
| Sosumi | :P | Nov 12 22:57 |
| Sosumi | hope is | Nov 12 22:57 |
| schestowitz | But it's a hollow thing | Nov 12 22:57 |
| Sosumi | false hope not | Nov 12 22:57 |
| schestowitz | And "faith" | Nov 12 22:57 |
| schestowitz | like faith in Mossad/CIA agent Uri Geller, let's pretend people can do telepathy and shit... | Nov 12 22:58 |
| Sosumi | faith is actually hollow | Nov 12 22:58 |
| schestowitz | a lot of people still "believe" in him | Nov 12 22:58 |
| Sosumi | because you're basing it on dogmas, things that you can't question, according to the priesthood | Nov 12 22:58 |
| schestowitz | and if they believe this propaganda figureheard, they'll believe anything | Nov 12 22:58 |
| Sosumi | actually dogmas are like axioms in math | Nov 12 22:59 |
| schestowitz | men who walk on water and get risen to the sky | Nov 12 22:59 |
| Sosumi | you don't question them nor you demo them | Nov 12 22:59 |
| MinceR | 235657 < schestowitz> But we got a thick book of mormon.. another thing I can defecate on.. | Nov 12 22:59 |
| MinceR | it will get stuck in the toilet | Nov 12 22:59 |
| Sosumi | because they're all the basis for the stuff | Nov 12 22:59 |
| Sosumi | the sun walks on water and get risen into the sky | Nov 12 22:59 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, so it's kept in some drawer for now, maybe I'll toss it in the toilegt of someone I don't like | Nov 12 22:59 |
| schestowitz | [after defecating on it ] :-) | Nov 12 23:00 |
| Sosumi | to die again and be reborn on the next day | Nov 12 23:00 |
| Sosumi | *gets | Nov 12 23:00 |
| MinceR | it can also be used as a weight | Nov 12 23:00 |
| Sosumi | the bible is written in the stars, you got to understand astrology in order to lift the veil | Nov 12 23:01 |
| Sosumi | that's how my teacher used to say | Nov 12 23:01 |
| Sosumi | you have to be initiated into the mysteries | Nov 12 23:01 |
| MinceR | i guess you could create an arbitrary measurement unit so that some measurement of some stars results in a number that is the binary encoding of some version of the bible | Nov 12 23:02 |
| MinceR | doesn't mean anything | Nov 12 23:02 |
| Sosumi | i just means celestial events | Nov 12 23:02 |
| Sosumi | nothing more | Nov 12 23:02 |
| Sosumi | catholicism is a recolection of previous solar and lunar cults | Nov 12 23:03 |
| MinceR | and a lot of newly made-up crap | Nov 12 23:03 |
| Sosumi | yep | Nov 12 23:03 |
| MinceR | like rules that the pope wanted to force on people | Nov 12 23:03 |
| schestowitz | celestial events as we see them from so far apart can be easily predicted years ahead of time | Nov 12 23:03 |
| Snowleaksange | im panbabylonist | Nov 12 23:03 |
| schestowitz | supernovas, collisions, orbits... | Nov 12 23:03 |
| MinceR | what's a panbabylonist? | Nov 12 23:03 |
| Sosumi | yep yep | Nov 12 23:03 |
| Snowleaksange | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panbabylonism | Nov 12 23:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Panbabylonism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g0wik ] | Nov 12 23:03 |
| schestowitz | It's like treating mountains as dice | Nov 12 23:03 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 12 23:03 |
| Sosumi | the system we actually have today | Nov 12 23:04 |
| MinceR | i think i've seen at least one bit of this theory | Nov 12 23:04 |
| Sosumi | was perfected during the babylonian times | Nov 12 23:04 |
| MinceR | not surprising | Nov 12 23:04 |
| Sosumi | and has many incarnations | Nov 12 23:06 |
| Sosumi | wrong | Nov 12 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Kevin Turner spoke to this guy who works for Slashdot now | Nov 12 23:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cio.com/article/448673/Q_A_Microsoft_COO_Kevin_Turner_Talks_Cloud_Computing_ | Nov 12 23:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cio.com | Q&A: Microsoft COO Kevin Turner Talks Cloud Computing - CIO.com [ http://ur1.ca/g0wj6 ] | Nov 12 23:07 |
| schestowitz | https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=cr&ei=KbSCUrLyD7O10QW0wYHIAQ#q=Kevin+Fogarty+microsoft http://slashdot.org/topic/author/kevin-fogarty/ | Nov 12 23:07 |
| Sosumi | I should say metastasis like if it was a cancer | Nov 12 23:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.google.co.uk | Google [ http://ur1.ca/g0wj7 ] | Nov 12 23:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | slashdot.org | Kevin Fogarty - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/g0wjb ] | Nov 12 23:07 |
| Sosumi | and those cults were not also the first spin doctors and king advisors | Nov 12 23:08 |
| Sosumi | but also the first intelligence agencies | Nov 12 23:08 |
| Sosumi | worth checking | Nov 12 23:08 |
| Sosumi | or ask Ron Paul and those southern jurisdiction how the bell is going | Nov 12 23:10 |
| Sosumi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=dkyfkqClECU#t=228 | Nov 12 23:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | The Brotherhood Of The Bell (1970) Full Movie secret society/cult illuminati conspiracy - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g0wjy ] | Nov 12 23:11 |
| Sosumi | I have that one in betamax | Nov 12 23:11 |
| *Sosumi feels ancient :( | Nov 12 23:12 | |
| sebsebseb | Sosumi: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Mark-Shuttleworth-Apologizes-for-the-Trademark-Infringement-Letter-Sent-to-Fixubuntu-com-398583.shtml | Nov 12 23:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | news.softpedia.com | Mark Shuttleworth Apologizes for the Trademark Infringement Letter Sent to Fixubuntu.com [ http://ur1.ca/g0wkh ] | Nov 12 23:14 |
| MinceR | hm, apparently they still notice pr backlash some of the time :> | Nov 12 23:16 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: what's that Canonical? | Nov 12 23:17 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Mark-Shuttleworth-Apologizes-for-the-Trademark-Infringement-Letter-Sent-to-Fixubuntu-com-398583.shtml | Nov 12 23:17 |
| MinceR | indeed. | Nov 12 23:17 |
| sebsebseb | I just got onto the article about that | Nov 12 23:17 |
| MinceR | yes, i was referring to that. | Nov 12 23:17 |
| sebsebseb | so not quite sure what it's about, but I guess get the gist from it | Nov 12 23:17 |
| Sosumi | apologies are avoided not remedied, but after the love affair with M$, I'd say what I've said before | Nov 12 23:17 |
| Sosumi | screw moronical and shutleworm | Nov 12 23:17 |
| Sosumi | also, that isn't an apology | Nov 12 23:18 |
| Sosumi | it's just the guy asking to remove the ubuntu branding | Nov 12 23:18 |
| Snowleaksange | hah nice i read the wiki at least http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brotherhood_of_the_Bell | Nov 12 23:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | The Brotherhood of the Bell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g0wl7 ] | Nov 12 23:19 |
| MinceR | well, shuttleworm did say "sorry" in his google+ post | Nov 12 23:19 |
| Sosumi | "It is Dunning, who is willing to return to Los Angeles with Patterson to help him expose the Brotherhood. As the ending credits roll, the voice of a news announcer reads the report of a Los Angeles-bound airliner crashing on takeoff in San Francisco with no survivors" | Nov 12 23:21 |
| Sosumi | :) | Nov 12 23:21 |
| Sosumi | common practice actually | Nov 12 23:21 |
| sebsebseb | in other news Linux voice | Nov 12 23:22 |
| sebsebseb | a new Linux magaine | Nov 12 23:22 |
| sebsebseb | by former LInux Format guys | Nov 12 23:22 |
| Snowleaksange | Linux Infinity is a good magazine name | Nov 12 23:22 |
| sebsebseb | crowd funding compagin | Nov 12 23:22 |
| Snowleaksange | lol i searched linuxinfinity.com which is taken but it gave me suggestion | Nov 12 23:23 |
| Snowleaksange | gnu-infinity.com which is available | Nov 12 23:23 |
| Snowleaksange | not bad | Nov 12 23:23 |
| Snowleaksange | tuxinfinity.com | Nov 12 23:24 |
| Snowleaksange | i guess synonym-dbs important feature for registrar portlas | Nov 12 23:24 |
| Sosumi | anything times infinity is still infinity :) | Nov 12 23:24 |
| Sosumi | not a bad name either | Nov 12 23:25 |
| Snowleaksange | linux-infinity.com, gnuinfinity.com linuxinfinity.xxx linuxinfinitude.org linuxcontinuum.com linux-forever.com opensourceinfinity.com opensourceinfinity.org freesoftwareinfinity.com | Nov 12 23:27 |
| Snowleaksange | i kinda like dashed domains | Nov 12 23:27 |
| MinceR | yeah, much better than powerGenitalia or expertSexchange | Nov 12 23:27 |
| MinceR | but then again, dashes reduce the probability of an user remembering the domain name | Nov 12 23:28 |
| MinceR | also, penisLand | Nov 12 23:28 |
| Sosumi | lol | Nov 12 23:28 |
| MinceR | http://www.citymaxblog.com/top-50-crappiest-domain-names-purchased/1240/ | Nov 12 23:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.citymaxblog.com | The Top 50 Worst and Most Embarrassing Domain Names Ever Purchased - CityMax Small Business Website Builder Blog | CityMax Small Business Website Builder Blog [ http://ur1.ca/g0wmw ] | Nov 12 23:28 |
| Sosumi | but that gave me an idea | Nov 12 23:29 |
| Snowleaksange | it starts getting pretty ridiculous to top infinity | Nov 12 23:29 |
| Snowleaksange | ie linux double infinity | Nov 12 23:29 |
| Snowleaksange | linux infinity infinity | Nov 12 23:29 |
| Sosumi | what if we created a diffamatory page on the net about the new mac pro | Nov 12 23:29 |
| Sosumi | with the registered domain | Nov 12 23:30 |
| Sosumi | www.buttplugpro.com | Nov 12 23:30 |
| MinceR | you could try other infinities | Nov 12 23:30 |
| MinceR | like the cardinality of the continuum :> | Nov 12 23:30 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 12 23:30 |
| Sosumi | and generate so much ruckos that apple would have to buy the thing | Nov 12 23:30 |
| Sosumi | not bad | Nov 12 23:30 |
| Sosumi | it kind of happened with the domain xbone.com | Nov 12 23:31 |
| Snowleaksange | maybe ill just register them all and program a phallanx of bots from different domains to follow me around on irc | Nov 12 23:31 |
| Sosumi | a phallanx | Nov 12 23:32 |
| Sosumi | I liked that term | Nov 12 23:32 |
| Snowleaksange | phalanx* | Nov 12 23:32 |
| Sosumi | well I'm going to bed | Nov 12 23:33 |
| Sosumi | gn | Nov 12 23:35 |
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| DaemonFC | It's not really Thanksgiving that's the problem so much. It's the day after Thanksgiving that really disgusts me. Compulsive Consumerism Day. People load up their cars and mini-vans and go trample other human beings to death over a $6 toaster and some third rate laptops that each Walmart got three of. If you ever need a commentary on the soul-sickness of this country, just watch what people do on Black Friday. | Nov 13 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | shared a link via Slashdot.org. | Nov 13 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://apple.slashdot.org/story/13/11/12/212239/apple-ii-dos-source-code-released?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=facebook | Nov 13 02:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | apple.slashdot.org | Apple II DOS Source Code Released - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/g0xj1 ] | Nov 13 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | This is an example of how proprietary software companies operate. They can't even let go of something that's older than I am under terms that respect user freedom. | Nov 13 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | The prohibition on commercial use means that the software has conditions of use, and is not Free (as in Freedom). | Nov 13 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | Also, **** Apple. | Nov 13 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | shared a link. | Nov 13 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Nov 13 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://punkerslut.com/articles/software_piracy_is_not_piracy.html | Nov 13 02:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | punkerslut.com | Software Piracy Is Not Piracy [ http://ur1.ca/g0xjt ] | Nov 13 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | I generally agree that the concept of "stealing" software is ridiculous, but his understanding of what the public domain is, is very flawed. | Nov 13 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | Even if software binaries ever end up in the public domain (Windows 95 will be in the 2060s, iirc, so have fun waiting for that.), they're nearly worthless, even as a historical curiosity. The entire point of a software company releasing binary-only programs is that they are not human readable. If Windows 95 binaries enter the public domain in the 2060s, nobody will know exactly how this seven decade old relic worked, even if they care to | Nov 13 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | find out. | Nov 13 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | The point of proprietary binary-only software is the total enslavement of every user that chooses to run it. That's why it must be rejected, and schools that teach software development should only teach students how to use Free software. Learning how to use proprietary software might qualify you to be some glorified button-pusher, but it won't teach you anything else. | Nov 13 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | I was going through some old programming manuals and found one that is so old, the pages are turning yellow. | Nov 13 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, it's a book on BASIC. I laughed when I opened it, about 20 years ago, and there was a sample program written in it, which puts the player in an X-Wing and has them destroy the Death Star, after making it through a screen of Tie Fighters, including Darth Vader's. | Nov 13 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | They changed the names of everything. Tie Fighters are Sky Fighters, and Darth Vader is Garth Raider, and so on. | Nov 13 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | And of course, Emperor Palpatine is Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI. Joking. | Nov 13 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | Of course BASIC is still a perfectly usable language. We have FreeBASIC now, and it has GTK+ bindings. You can use it to create real programs that actually do stuff, and have a GUI. | Nov 13 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | shared a link. | Nov 13 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Nov 13 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/11/12/223235/porn-surfing-execs-infecting-corporate-networks-with-malware | Nov 13 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | You see now, how your so-called Corporate Firewall counts for absolutely nothing. Your whole empire of exploitation comes crashing down....all because of one....little...Flash applet. | Nov 13 02:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | tech.slashdot.org | Porn-Surfing Execs Infecting Corporate Networks With Malware - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/g0xpj ] | Nov 13 02:47 |
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| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Nov 13 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | The Democratic Party doesn't like to give Senator Sanders much recognition. It's just as well. That would be too much like giving the Han Solo award to the Rebel Alliance. | Nov 13 03:06 |
| DaemonFC | (credit to Richard Stallman for that one, he used the line when he got the "Linus Torvalds award" on behalf of the Free Software Foundation.) | Nov 13 03:06 |
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| DaemonFC | Sweden is lucky that it doesn't share a border with the United States. We'd have too many desperate Americans running across the border into Sweden so they could commit a crime and receive an increase in their standard of living. | Nov 13 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | Two-thirds of the United States prison population is essentially in there for victimless crimes. I wonder how many of the remaining one-third didn't actually do anything at all except come across one of our corrupt courts. | Nov 13 03:28 |
| Snowleaksange | we need to blog about this stuff harder | Nov 13 03:32 |
| Snowleaksange | change is too slow | Nov 13 03:32 |
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| DaemonFC | Yay. I'm meeting a total stranger off the internet at 4 AM. | Nov 13 08:27 |
| DaemonFC | What could go wrong? | Nov 13 08:27 |
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| iophk | http://opensource.com/education/13/11/linux-kernel-community-growth | Nov 13 09:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | opensource.com | The Linux kernel community learns how to grow more penguins | opensource.com [ http://ur1.ca/g101f ] | Nov 13 09:30 |
| iophk | http://lifehacker.com/how-hard-is-it-to-switch-to-linux-1462916866 | Nov 13 09:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | lifehacker.com | How Hard Is It to Switch to Linux? [ http://ur1.ca/g101k ] | Nov 13 09:30 |
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| iophk | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/11/hammond-sentencing-memo/ | Nov 13 09:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | 10 Year Prison Term Sought for Anonymous Hacktivist Jeremy Hammond | Threat Level | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/g101p ] | Nov 13 09:31 |
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| iophk | another plea agreement, those are really getting abused | Nov 13 09:35 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 13 09:35 |
| schestowitz | seen it | Nov 13 09:35 |
| schestowitz | I have a better article in drafts | Nov 13 09:36 |
| iophk | cool | Nov 13 09:36 |
| schestowitz | the first link was sent by mail by the author to me | Nov 13 09:37 |
| iophk | excellent | Nov 13 09:37 |
| schestowitz | [00:30] <s-534> @schestowitz "firm’s infiltration, monitoring and | Nov 13 09:40 |
| schestowitz | [00:30] <s-534> surveillance of protesters and dissidents, | Nov 13 09:40 |
| schestowitz | [00:30] <s-534> especially in the Occupy movement" | Nov 13 09:40 |
| schestowitz | [00:30] <s-534> http://t.co/NI9NnF5h3a | Nov 13 09:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.truth-out.org | Chris Hedges | The Revolutionaries in Our Midst | Nov 13 09:40 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Bodyeuh/status/400561704590790656 | Nov 13 09:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Bodyeuh: As easy as 123 "@schestowitz: How Hard Is It to Switch to Linux? http://t.co/5BVT89Y3zZ #lifehacker a tad negative on #gnu #linux" | Nov 13 09:53 |
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| schestowitz | I honestly don't think he has much power anymore; his baby grew and got abducted by companies; like RMS vs. OSI et al. | Nov 13 09:54 |
| schestowitz | If one looks at how he opposes #swpats while the W3C (Apple, Microsoft, IBM+former Novell as CEO) boosts them, clearly->loss of power | Nov 13 09:55 |
| schestowitz | But it's only to be expected. I think he would try to convince himself that it's acceptable. | Nov 13 09:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400562412274728960 | Nov 13 09:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz yes, that's quite possible | Nov 13 09:56 |
| schestowitz | Don't count on the (cult of) personalities or put them on a pedestal. Money speaks; he hasn't much. | Nov 13 09:57 |
| schestowitz | Another case of point; Torvalds hates UEFI, but Intel pays his wage through LF, so UEFI Forum gets its way | Nov 13 09:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400561708197900288 | Nov 13 09:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz it's hard to see what can be done, except raising awareness and trying to make TimBL see what he's doing... | Nov 13 09:58 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3282145 | Nov 13 09:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux 3.13 To Support EFI On ARM http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTUxMDg | Nov 13 09:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Linux 3.13 To Support EFI On ARM [ http://ur1.ca/g0x0f ] | Nov 13 09:59 |
| schestowitz | "Oh, OK. It seemed about as useless as a row of toggle switches and blinkenlights." | Nov 13 10:00 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400564082522071040 | Nov 13 10:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz yes, seems to be Brendan Eich's view too | Nov 13 10:02 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3282584 | Nov 13 10:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Kaspersky: Russian Nuclear Plant Runs Windows, Gets Infected With Malware Developed by the #NSA (Stuxnet) http://techrights.org/2013/11/12/stuxnet-in-russia/ | Nov 13 10:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Kaspersky: Russian Nuclear Plant Runs Windows, Gets Infected With Malware Developed by the NSA (Stuxnet) | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g10a0 ] | Nov 13 10:07 |
| schestowitz | "Oh, snap ... the perils of outsourcing your technology." | Nov 13 10:07 |
| schestowitz | "Accidentally paid for software. Oops." | Nov 13 10:07 |
| schestowitz | "Rosatom dosproved it." | Nov 13 10:07 |
| schestowitz | Link? | Nov 13 10:07 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3282296 | Nov 13 10:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Spy Files 3: WikiLeaks Sheds More Light On The Global Surveillance Industry http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/spy-files-three #india #wikileaks | Nov 13 10:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> cis-india.org | Spy Files 3: WikiLeaks Sheds More Light On The Global Surveillance Industry — Centre for Internet and Society [ http://ur1.ca/g0uxu ] | Nov 13 10:08 |
| schestowitz | http://boingboing.net/2013/11/12/the-original-nsa-whistleblower.html | Nov 13 10:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | boingboing.net | The original NSA whistleblower - Boing Boing [ http://ur1.ca/g10a3 ] | Nov 13 10:08 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3282201 | Nov 13 10:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "the idea that freedom was consistent with the procedures of totalitarianism was self-evidently false." -Moglen http://memex.naughtons.org/archives/2013/11/12/19307 | Nov 13 10:11 |
| schestowitz | "The talks can be found here: http://www.snowdenandthefuture.info/events.html " | Nov 13 10:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> memex.naughtons.org | Memex 1.1 » Blog Archive » Snowden and the Future: what’s really at stake | Nov 13 10:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.snowdenandthefuture.info | Eben Moglen: Snowden and the Future - Events [ http://ur1.ca/g10al ] | Nov 13 10:11 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3280073 | Nov 13 10:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Your Face and Name Will Appear in Google Ads Starting Today http://gizmodo.com/googles-going-to-start-sticking-your-face-and-name-in-1443861985/1462317340/@ace advertisers get more aggressive over time | Nov 13 10:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> gizmodo.com | Your Face and Name Will Appear in Google Ads Starting Today [ http://ur1.ca/g0qt6 ] | Nov 13 10:11 |
| schestowitz | "JFK? Thanks! A fuzzy picture is like a Roche test." | Nov 13 10:11 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3282268 | Nov 13 10:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Video Showing Off Hawaii Desktop Running On Wayland http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTUxMDk #wayland #linux | Nov 13 10:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Video Showing Off Hawaii Desktop Running On Wayland [ http://ur1.ca/g10ar ] | Nov 13 10:12 |
| schestowitz | "Compatibility with legacy software, namely the X applications. When XWayland is finally merged, it will take only the time required to integrate with distributions." | Nov 13 10:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Lichtschachtel/status/400567197774270464 | Nov 13 10:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Lichtschachtel: @schestowitz the new design of #tuxmachines makes the site look a bit like early 90ies. Esp. the background image. Otherwise good work! | Nov 13 10:15 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know the bg image is bad and I don't fancy it, either. It's just a xmas thing, to last another 7 weeks... | Nov 13 10:16 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Lichtschachtel/status/400572829805969408 | Nov 13 10:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Lichtschachtel: @schestowitz gr8! Maybe you would also consider to left-justify the article headings again as centering them gives an uneasy reading exp. | Nov 13 10:45 |
| schestowitz | I'll do this next time I access the server (with nano) | Nov 13 10:46 |
| MinceR | geekings | Nov 13 11:17 |
| iophk | Centered article headings seems ok. | Nov 13 11:49 |
| iophk | *seem | Nov 13 11:49 |
| iophk | It helps separate the title visually from the other heading information. | Nov 13 11:50 |
| iophk | IMHO it would be more important to tune scope and style. | Nov 13 11:50 |
| schestowitz | yeah, but.. | Nov 13 12:27 |
| schestowitz | this one person does not agree | Nov 13 12:27 |
| iophk | Yet another puff piece. I start to question Wired now. | Nov 13 12:40 |
| iophk | http://www.wired.com/business/2013/11/bill-gates-bill-clinton-wired/ | Nov 13 12:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | Bill Gates and President Bill Clinton on the NSA, Safe Sex, and American Exceptionalism | Wired Business | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/g1181 ] | Nov 13 12:40 |
| schestowitz | Wired is reaching new lows | Nov 13 12:52 |
| schestowitz | BTW, some people who worked for clolinton now work for GHates | Nov 13 12:52 |
| schestowitz | for money | Nov 13 12:52 |
| schestowitz | Gate sis in politics | Nov 13 12:52 |
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| iophk | Yes he's been heading into politics more and more. | Nov 13 12:54 |
| iophk | It's troubling that clinton is helping him out now | Nov 13 12:55 |
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| schestowitz | Just because Clinton was less abusive than Bushobama? | Nov 13 13:42 |
| iophk | Because it's general help in politics. | Nov 13 13:46 |
| Sosumi | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/11/13/0358206/facebook-patented-making-nsa-data-handoffs-easier?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter | Nov 13 14:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | yro.slashdot.org | Facebook Patented Making NSA Data Handoffs Easier - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/g1236 ] | Nov 13 14:55 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.osnews.com/story/27416/The_second_operating_system_hiding_in_every_mobile_phone | Nov 13 14:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.osnews.com | The second operating system hiding in every mobile phone [ http://ur1.ca/g1225 ] | Nov 13 14:56 |
| MinceR | i thought this went away with modern mobile OS-es... surprise! | Nov 13 14:58 |
| MinceR | (after all, there was some discussion at some time about how realtime patches to Linux enable running the baseband on the same core as the applications... | Nov 13 14:59 |
| MinceR | ...and they stopped talking of radio-oriented CPU cores as another core) | Nov 13 14:59 |
| MinceR | how does this affect the OpenMoko phones and the New900 phone? | Nov 13 15:01 |
| Sosumi | no idea | Nov 13 15:01 |
| MinceR | hm, one of the comments elucidates it somewhat | Nov 13 15:02 |
| Sosumi | I just linked that because there might be backdoors built in the firmware | Nov 13 15:02 |
| MinceR | "In every phone I'm aware of except the OpenMoko Freerunner (which uses RS-232), the baseband speaks to the "main" SoC through DMA. That's what really makes most smartphones impossible to truly secure." | Nov 13 15:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400632440625963008 | Nov 13 15:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz it would be great to get this out to your networks - http://t.co/idtkF2LBTE they don't want people to know what's in TPP... | Nov 13 15:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> keionline.org | KEI analysis of Wikileaks leak of TPP IPR text, from August 30, 2013 | Knowledge Ecology International | Nov 13 15:02 |
| schestowitz | I have been filled to the rim with other topics; never really covered TPP, don't know enough... | Nov 13 15:02 |
| MinceR | i wonder if it's possible to shut down the baseband processor on a phone you use only as a PDA | Nov 13 15:04 |
| MinceR | and how | Nov 13 15:04 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400640212608376833 | Nov 13 15:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz well, basically ACTA+, will act as template for TAFTA/TTIP | Nov 13 15:05 |
| schestowitz | I spent a lot of time on ACTA, it hardly helped, too much $$$ at stake, like anti-war efforts | Nov 13 15:05 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400640212608376833 | Nov 13 15:06 |
| schestowitz | I am going to write about it later on; I alluded to it yesterday in #techrights but #tuxmachines is apolitical | Nov 13 15:08 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Sosumi iophk just published this a few miinutes ago http://techrights.org/2013/11/13/phones-as-surveillance-devices/ | Nov 13 15:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | Google, Nokia, Samsung and Others Lie About Mobile Back Doors, Other Companies Don’t Even Answer the Questions Because They Are Worse | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g126j ] | Nov 13 15:08 |
| MinceR | saw it on the other channel | Nov 13 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Too bad I didn't see the OSNews article while I was still writing it, I'll shove this link into a followup article, maybe tomorrow | Nov 13 15:09 |
| MinceR | i guess i'll have to resume my efforts to root my Archos 43it | Nov 13 15:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400641274354479104 | Nov 13 15:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz it helped; we stopped it... | Nov 13 15:09 |
| schestowitz | ACTA was stopped only because many groups in many areas (pharma, arga, commece) got involved | Nov 13 15:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400641507889143808 | Nov 13 15:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz OK | Nov 13 15:10 |
| schestowitz | For some things, like SOPA, we need a mob in the street. That wouldn't work for #swpats (niche) | Nov 13 15:10 |
| schestowitz | In the US #swpats are off the agenda now (they speak of "trolls" and "bad patents"), so we lost this battle, for now. #bilski | Nov 13 15:11 |
| iophk | As more phone owners have smartphones, the tracking is going to be a bigger problem. | Nov 13 15:11 |
| Sosumi | yeah just read it | Nov 13 15:12 |
| iophk | Not just governments. I can see competitors wanting to get into meetings and board rooms that way. | Nov 13 15:12 |
| Sosumi | thx for linking | Nov 13 15:12 |
| Sosumi | it's nothing new | Nov 13 15:12 |
| Sosumi | but for those cell phones without removable battery | Nov 13 15:12 |
| Sosumi | just build a small cloth bag | Nov 13 15:13 |
| Sosumi | filled with alluminum sheets inside | Nov 13 15:13 |
| iophk | mylar ought to work too | Nov 13 15:14 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400642403880550400 | Nov 13 15:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz we need it for TPP and TAFTA... | Nov 13 15:14 |
| schestowitz | I've put this in a short post draft, but I don't know enough for informed opinion TBH | Nov 13 15:14 |
| Sosumi | as long as it is metalic | Nov 13 15:15 |
| schestowitz | usually I just link to analysis in Open Enterprise or TechDirt | Nov 13 15:15 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400643337197068288 | Nov 13 15:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz how can I argue with that...? | Nov 13 15:18 |
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| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/xamarin-and-microsoft-join-forces-to-take-visual-studio-to-ios-and-android/ | Nov 13 16:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Xamarin and Microsoft join forces to take Visual Studio to iOS and Android | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g12nr ] | Nov 13 16:28 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283858 | Nov 13 16:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that hap | Nov 13 16:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by latomatemasquee@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_be0ddad64acdcfe02349.jpg | Nov 13 16:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> homepage.eircom.net | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/g12nu ] | Nov 13 16:28 |
| schestowitz | "That seems normal to me in politic, because politic is not really about facts, but about what we want the reality to become. We don't want the same, that's why we disagree. If a fact is against my politic view, may be i will find another which fit better to support it." | Nov 13 16:28 |
| schestowitz | Sosumi: lovelt | Nov 13 16:30 |
| schestowitz | another article for tomorrow | Nov 13 16:30 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3284874 | Nov 13 16:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Miguel de Icaza=Microsoft http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/xamarin-and-microsoft-join-forces-to-take-visual-studio-to-ios-and-android/ http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Xamarin http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Miguel_de_Icaza | Nov 13 16:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Xamarin - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/4p9ia ] | Nov 13 16:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Miguel de Icaza - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/ai6i5 ] | Nov 13 16:30 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283735 | Nov 13 16:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #religion | Nov 13 16:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by eloi@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_fd20f05d1a87553869f5.jpg | Nov 13 16:31 |
| schestowitz | "It may exist a moment, in the future, when science will meet religion, in this particular matter... (flying, going to the moon, building an arch, building a flying arch)" | Nov 13 16:31 |
| schestowitz | "Practising science does not live outside politics or religion (or economics for that matter). Science is only perfect when you pretend it's just the platonic ideal, and that scientists are practitioners of an ideal where by definition nothing can be wrong with it. It's this same ignoring of the complex, less pleasant realities and only looking at the platonic ideal that many atheists ridicule theists for. Same thought patterns. | Nov 13 16:31 |
| schestowitz | Different labels. The problem isn't science or religion. It's critical thinking and understanding people." | Nov 13 16:31 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3284526 | Nov 13 16:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It Is Not Hard to Switch to GNU/Linux | Nov 13 16:32 |
| schestowitz | "@Jesse, yea, and find out that this old favorite software are just crap." | Nov 13 16:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | It Is Not Hard to Switch to GNU/Linux | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g12p8 ] | Nov 13 16:32 |
| schestowitz | "I have yet to find a replacement for my hobby specific software in Linux that can run under WINE. I'm as big a horn tooter for Linux as anyone but it still stands that unless the software is general and used by everyone, it's not going to be covered under Linux. To give three examples, Adobe Flash (alternatives stink), Echolink (has had trouble with WINE ever since I switched to Ubuntu in 2008), and a popular podcasting program I used | Nov 13 16:33 |
| schestowitz | to use (which was deprecated). It would include buttons in the GUI for sounds you could play while you were recording live. Audacity doesn't even come close to that. The only programs that are replaceable for Linux are general use. I like Blender and GIMP and Audacity and blah blah blah and I realize that lack of software isn't Linux's fault but the fact still remains that in the fields where special software is required, the lack of | Nov 13 16:33 |
| schestowitz | developers is a HUGE problem." | Nov 13 16:33 |
| schestowitz | "True, it is not hard to switch to GNU/Linux ...the only thing is hard is to change some little habits like the way to install apps, and accept (in some case) to put your hands in the engine (ex : install printer/graphical/wifi/blutooth drivers which are not managed by kernel, and something, even for confirmed user it can be a little difficult, e.g. I have this experience with Brother DCP-130C printer on GNU/Linux Mint 13 & 15 on my | Nov 13 16:33 |
| schestowitz | cousin computer : first search drivers, then follow install steps, then test it (ok on mint13 and ko on mint15 which doesn't recognized the printer pluged) in this case the user can be frustrated and go back to windows...)" | Nov 13 16:33 |
| schestowitz | "all adobe CS6 products run under wine, with the correct configuration, iv´e used them, without troubles, just see the wine AppDB ... iv´en using linux for 3 or 4 years, and after a while, you get used to it. GIMP and Inkscape anyway, dont have anything to envy to adobe, but has i already say, if you dont like it, adove CS6 products work well. Autodesk Autocad 2008, and 3ds max 2008 run smooth as well. sketchup make runs and install | Nov 13 16:34 |
| schestowitz | great." | Nov 13 16:34 |
| schestowitz | "microsoft office 2010 runs great to. iv´e tested exel, word, power point for a while, and my mom uses them everyday, withouth troubles, just get used to wine...." | Nov 13 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Initial setup can be done by another company/person IF it doesn't work perfectly out of the box (can choose PC that does work well from top to botton, like this laptop I use ATM) | Nov 13 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Can someone find more links on the Xamarin news? | Nov 13 16:44 |
| schestowitz | Not from a MS booster? | Nov 13 16:44 |
| schestowitz | It's showing Miguel climbing on ballmer's bed again | Nov 13 16:44 |
| Sosumi | authored by Dr pizza aka peter bright | Nov 13 16:47 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283750 | Nov 13 16:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Germans seek their own internet after NSA spying revelations | Nov 13 16:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theweek.co.uk | Germans seek their own internet after NSA spying revelations| NSA News | The Week UK [ http://ur1.ca/g12q9 ] | Nov 13 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Sosumi: yeah | Nov 13 16:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Brazil debates internet law in wake of NSA scandal [ http://ur1.ca/g12qa ] | Nov 13 16:48 |
| schestowitz | Sosumi: his role there is clear | Nov 13 16:48 |
| schestowitz | just look at what he covers and how | Nov 13 16:48 |
| schestowitz | pro patents, DRM, Microsoft, MPEG-LA, Mono, Vista 8... | Nov 13 16:48 |
| Sosumi | he's just a m$ schill | Nov 13 16:48 |
| schestowitz | It's like unofficial Microsoft Enderle | Nov 13 16:49 |
| schestowitz | "I know. I'd just like to see it..." | Nov 13 16:49 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283750 | Nov 13 16:49 |
| schestowitz | To Enderle's credit, he mostly stopped it, having gotten exposed | Nov 13 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Bright ain't that bright, he keeps showing who he works for | Nov 13 16:49 |
| schestowitz | calling MPEG cartel "open" and such.... reversing factual information and upsetting many not just in the FOSS world... Opera too | Nov 13 16:50 |
| iophk | Krill? | Nov 13 16:50 |
| iophk | http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-net/xamarin-teams-microsoft-cross-platform-mobile-development-230730 | Nov 13 16:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | Xamarin teams with Microsoft on cross-platform mobile development | Microsoft net - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/g12tr ] | Nov 13 16:50 |
| iophk | Lock-in is now called cross-platform? | Nov 13 16:52 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3284526 | Nov 13 16:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It Is Not Hard to Switch to GNU/Linux | Nov 13 16:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | It Is Not Hard to Switch to GNU/Linux | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g12p8 ] | Nov 13 16:57 |
| schestowitz | "If you start with a computer with no operating system, with a blank disk, Microsoft is a challenge to install. The first hurdle is to find appropriate installation media. They don't pack a CDROM with every computer any more." | Nov 13 16:57 |
| schestowitz | iophk: Krill is biased also | Nov 13 16:57 |
| schestowitz | He covers lots of MS "open" | Nov 13 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft used him a lot some years ago | Nov 13 16:57 |
| iophk | So there is no real coverage of the news. | Nov 13 16:57 |
| schestowitz | e.g. after gpl violations | Nov 13 16:58 |
| schestowitz | iophk: yes, expected | Nov 13 16:58 |
| schestowitz | maybe Sam Varghese will address the issue in a few days | Nov 13 16:58 |
| schestowitz | and michael larabel maybe | Nov 13 16:58 |
| schestowitz | though he's increasingly being convinced that mono news belongs in ms sites, not phoronix | Nov 13 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Sean Kernel does not cover it much anymore, but he used to | Nov 13 16:59 |
| schestowitz | Paul Ryan, the drpizza colleague, had also helped Mono back in the days | Nov 13 16:59 |
| schestowitz | Check out Mary JF blog | Nov 13 16:59 |
| schestowitz | I bet she'll cover it, lip service calling MS "open" because they help Miguel infact osux, ios and android | Nov 13 17:00 |
| schestowitz | I say it based on experience | Nov 13 17:00 |
| schestowitz | thinking back to who typically covers it | Nov 13 17:00 |
| schestowitz | like the "hit list" for miguel's and Microsoft's marketing team | Nov 13 17:00 |
| Sosumi | wait, is there someone called Sean Kernel | Nov 13 17:01 |
| Sosumi | lol | Nov 13 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Kerner | Nov 13 17:02 |
| schestowitz | oops | Nov 13 17:02 |
| schestowitz | he covers lots of kernel news | Nov 13 17:02 |
| schestowitz | good guy | Nov 13 17:02 |
| Sosumi | :) | Nov 13 17:02 |
| schestowitz | except when he helped Novell and Mono.. | Nov 13 17:02 |
| schestowitz | these days he retweets me sometimes, no tensions there... | Nov 13 17:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283753 | Nov 13 17:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: John McCain says NSA chief Keith Alexander 'should resign or be fired' http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/10/john-mccain-nsa-keith-alexander-snowden publicity stunt? | Nov 13 17:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | John McCain says NSA chief Keith Alexander 'should resign or be fired' | World news | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/g12ql ] | Nov 13 17:03 |
| schestowitz | "I was thinking of the money laundering and racketeering and such." | Nov 13 17:03 |
| Sosumi | outside of Bright, Larabel and Icaza guy I have no idea who the others are | Nov 13 17:03 |
| Sosumi | wasn't Warnutts MacCain meeting with syrian terrorists and promising them weapons and cash | Nov 13 17:05 |
| schestowitz | I heard sp | Nov 13 17:05 |
| schestowitz | and some say he broke the law | Nov 13 17:05 |
| schestowitz | and should thus be droned | Nov 13 17:05 |
| schestowitz | by the CIA :-) | Nov 13 17:05 |
| schestowitz | But different rules apply to poltiicians | Nov 13 17:05 |
| schestowitz | posred 2 mins ago https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285016 | Nov 13 17:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When a political & legal systems are both run by lawyers, it is no wonder that we rarely hear of lawyers (e.g. politicians, judges) in jail | Nov 13 17:05 |
| Sosumi | so why wanting to fire to Keith, they should be best buddies and snif each other xfing xfing | Nov 13 17:06 |
| Sosumi | unless that firing means a promotion to somewhere else | Nov 13 17:06 |
| schestowitz | both come from military | Nov 13 17:06 |
| Sosumi | which it usually does | Nov 13 17:06 |
| schestowitz | and think like war commanders | Nov 13 17:06 |
| schestowitz | esp. with the espionage angle, trying to justify murders they commit | Nov 13 17:06 |
| schestowitz | both were o | Nov 13 17:07 |
| schestowitz | h | Nov 13 17:07 |
| schestowitz | high-level commanders | Nov 13 17:07 |
| schestowitz | the US links military to domestic and foreign surveillance | Nov 13 17:07 |
| schestowitz | why nnot arm all NSA staff with assault rifles too? | Nov 13 17:07 |
| schestowitz | or given soldiers in Iraq a laptop with crackign kits? | Nov 13 17:07 |
| schestowitz | If those two divisions are so incestuous... | Nov 13 17:08 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400668872832847872 | Nov 13 17:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz thanks | Nov 13 17:08 |
| Sosumi | I see | Nov 13 17:08 |
| Sosumi | but if Keith goes out of the NSA, that means he'll just receive a new position elsewhere | Nov 13 17:09 |
| Sosumi | in government agency or in the private sector | Nov 13 17:09 |
| Sosumi | as it usual happens | Nov 13 17:09 |
| schestowitz | he might leave... to spend less time with your family | Nov 13 17:10 |
| schestowitz | and more with his | Nov 13 17:10 |
| schestowitz | didn't check his age in wikipedia | Nov 13 17:10 |
| schestowitz | but even if he retired, like Patreaus, he'd be consulting to someone, so still doing damage for a salary as armchair lieutenant | Nov 13 17:11 |
| schestowitz | See Kinssinger | Nov 13 17:11 |
| Sosumi | or brezenski | Nov 13 17:11 |
| schestowitz | So old yet so villainous even when not elected... he has his own fiem now working politically in the shadows | Nov 13 17:11 |
| Sosumi | *brzezinski | Nov 13 17:11 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Nov 13 17:12 |
| schestowitz | I showed his photo to my wife the other dau | Nov 13 17:12 |
| schestowitz | because it comes up when searching my name in Google Images | Nov 13 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, Clapper doesn't get enough flak | Nov 13 17:12 |
| schestowitz | He is more corrupt than Keith A | Nov 13 17:12 |
| schestowitz | He just isn't as high up | Nov 13 17:13 |
| schestowitz | Not publicly | Nov 13 17:13 |
| Sosumi | http://scifitness.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/roy-schestowitz-6.jpg | Nov 13 17:13 |
| Sosumi | is taht you? | Nov 13 17:13 |
| schestowitz | yes [didn't look | Nov 13 17:13 |
| Sosumi | terminator schestowitz | Nov 13 17:13 |
| schestowitz | out of shape | Nov 13 17:14 |
| Sosumi | :P | Nov 13 17:14 |
| Sosumi | I do bodybuilding too | Nov 13 17:14 |
| Sosumi | but I'm nowhere near that | Nov 13 17:14 |
| schestowitz | o got lazy when i started my phd | Nov 13 17:14 |
| Sosumi | I'm not lazy, but the only I'm able to go workout is if do it before classes | Nov 13 17:16 |
| Sosumi | and that means I need to get up at 5:00 every single morning | Nov 13 17:16 |
| schestowitz | I used to do that in school towards the end | Nov 13 17:16 |
| schestowitz | they had a small crappy gym there | Nov 13 17:16 |
| schestowitz | the rest I did at home, sometimes in some gyms | Nov 13 17:16 |
| Sosumi | gladly I have a nice gym just a street across from the university | Nov 13 17:17 |
| Sosumi | near the russian embassy here in lisbon btw | Nov 13 17:17 |
| schestowitz | now I mostly spend the time in the gym (once in two days) resting and typing on the tablet, or doing cardio with my wife... no real routine anymore, just messing about for half the time I used to. Diet is also not srict anymore, had a whole pack of peanuts today between meals | Nov 13 17:17 |
| schestowitz | In RFussian Embassy, gmy goes to YOU | Nov 13 17:18 |
| Sosumi | :) | Nov 13 17:19 |
| schestowitz | wow, just got another mail from redhat | Nov 13 17:19 |
| schestowitz | their people spam me because I run tuxmachines | Nov 13 17:19 |
| schestowitz | they try to make me link to opensource.com | Nov 13 17:19 |
| schestowitz | now to promote SELinxu (NSA) | Nov 13 17:19 |
| schestowitz | > Subject: Dog and cat SELinux analogy from Opensource.com | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > Date: Wednesday, November 13, 2013, 10:12:41 AM | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > From: Ginny Skalski <gskalski@redhat.com> | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Tuxmachines, | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > Thank you for picking up a few of our posts this week. Sorry to be bombarding | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > your inbox, but we have another Linux-related post this morning that I believe | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > your readers will really appreciate. It's an explanation of the SELinux | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > primary model using illustrations of cats and dogs to explain. You have to see | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > it to understand, but I think your readers will get a kick out of it: | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > Your visual how-to guide for SELinux policy enforcement | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > https://opensource.com/business/13/11/selinux-policy-guide | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 13 17:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | opensource.com | Your visual how-to guide for SELinux policy enforcement | opensource.com [ http://ur1.ca/g130r ] | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > Many Thanks, | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > Ginny | Nov 13 17:20 |
| Sosumi | who's Ginny? | Nov 13 17:21 |
| schestowitz | no idea... | Nov 13 17:21 |
| schestowitz | sounds like a fake name :-) | Nov 13 17:21 |
| Sosumi | indeed | Nov 13 17:21 |
| schestowitz | but the email addy suggests it's real | Nov 13 17:21 |
| schestowitz | maybe short for something like Gregory Skalski | Nov 13 17:22 |
| schestowitz | !google Skalski red hat | Nov 13 17:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Ginny Skalski | LinkedIn | http://www.linkedin.com/in/ginnyskal | Nov 13 17:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Re: [Osdc-list] Contribute to our new weekly feature - Red Hat | https://www.redhat.com/archives/osdc-list/2013-July/msg00005.html | Nov 13 17:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Interview with Red Hat CIO Lee Congdon | opensource.com | http://opensource.com/business/13/10/interview-lee-congdon-red-hat-cio | Nov 13 17:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - open source news | opensource.com | http://opensource.com/tags/open-source-news | Nov 13 17:22 |
| schestowitz | "Marketing Specialist for Opensource.com at Red Hat" | Nov 13 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Blech | Nov 13 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Now I feel even more violated | Nov 13 17:22 |
| Sosumi | yeah she's real | Nov 13 17:23 |
| schestowitz | My techrights side says I should say this in twitter | Nov 13 17:23 |
| schestowitz | that they do PR like this | Nov 13 17:23 |
| schestowitz | link pushers | Nov 13 17:23 |
| schestowitz | I already blew off red hat's marketing people | Nov 13 17:24 |
| schestowitz | asking them with strongly worded replies to stop spamming me | Nov 13 17:24 |
| Sosumi | but it appears that they're still doing it | Nov 13 17:25 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285084 | Nov 13 17:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Red Hat's marketing staff is acting like all those "link pushers" which I dislike so much. Even in #tuxmachines - I wish they would stop. | Nov 13 17:25 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283676 | Nov 13 17:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Schools: device for indoctrinating children for the corporate world http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/30003161/film-group-backs-antipiracy-curriculum | Nov 13 17:25 |
| schestowitz | "I know a teacher who is forced to use pirated software in the school's computer pool due to budget cuts." | Nov 13 17:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.stuff.co.nz | Film group backs antipiracy curriculum | Stuff.co.nz [ http://ur1.ca/g131q ] | Nov 13 17:26 |
| schestowitz | iophk: take a load http://www.zdnet.com/why-theres-no-good-reason-to-buy-a-chromebook-7000023009/ | Nov 13 17:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zdnet.com | Why there's no good reason to buy a Chromebook | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/g137c ] | Nov 13 17:35 |
| Sosumi | actually there is one good reason | Nov 13 17:36 |
| Sosumi | specially if we're talking about the high end model | Nov 13 17:37 |
| Sosumi | to install gnu/linux | Nov 13 17:37 |
| Sosumi | and don't go into S&M in order to get the windows tax refund | Nov 13 17:37 |
| iophk | schestowitz: yeah, they're frightened of chrombooks. | Nov 13 17:56 |
| iophk | Or maybe of anything without M$ | Nov 13 17:56 |
| iophk | Though I think that the chromebook's best market is the low end. | Nov 13 17:56 |
| iophk | High end has only the pixel. | Nov 13 17:57 |
| iophk | The Chromebook as marketed is almost more of a thin client. | Nov 13 17:58 |
| iophk | At least all the storage is intended to be locked into Google. | Nov 13 17:58 |
| iophk | sosumi: the high end model is nice, but pricey | Nov 13 17:59 |
| iophk | http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/public-sector/2013/11/conservatives-erase-internet-h.html | Nov 13 18:02 |
| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/13/conservative-party-archive-speeches-internet | Nov 13 18:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerweekly.com | Conservatives erase Internet history - Public Sector IT [ http://ur1.ca/g11ig ] | Nov 13 18:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Conservative party deletes archive of speeches from internet | Politics | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/g13h1 ] | Nov 13 18:02 |
| schestowitz | iophk: seen it 10 mins ago | Nov 13 18:04 |
| iophk | ok | Nov 13 18:04 |
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| schestowitz | > i read your post at http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/61660 | Nov 13 18:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tuxmachines.org | Theme, Ads, Format, Scope, Etc. | Tux Machines | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > but i have a question, the background theme loads the webpage a bit | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > slowly on some devices like cellphones, and off course many other | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > countries like my India have a very very slow internet connection and | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > thus it takes a longer time to load the webpage although it is of | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > fraction of seconds, and one more thing i want to say that there are | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > very less websites related to open source and Linux movement, i | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > appreciate your work towards tuxmachines.The poll thing in previous | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > tuxmachines was a very good choice but my opinion is that you should | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > continue to poll.thanks. | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | The only images I added to the theme are very small, some are like 1 KB or something around that region. I don't plan to push beyond that. Rendering speed for pages ought to be similar too, as I didn't add up anything which hits CPU/RAM at either side (server and client). | Nov 13 18:47 |
| MinceR | http://rt.com/usa/seattle-mesh-network-disabled-676/ | Nov 13 18:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | rt.com | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/g13r1 ] | Nov 13 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Fedlecting to Russia and China: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/technology/terminator-robots-calls-ban-drones-2786333 | Nov 13 18:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.mirror.co.uk | Terminator Robots: Calls for ban on drones 'which can select their own targets to kill' - Mirror Online [ http://ur1.ca/g13r7 ] | Nov 13 18:56 |
| MinceR | http://www.pidjin.net/2012/09/20/reality-show/ | Nov 13 18:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.pidjin.net | Reality show « Fredo and Pidjin. The Webcomic. [ http://ur1.ca/g13ro ] | Nov 13 18:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/bob-flores-former-cto-of-the-cia-to-keynote-csa-congress-2013-231734641.html | Nov 13 19:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.prnewswire.com | Bob Flores, Former CTO of the CIA, to Keynote CSA Congress 2013 -- ORLANDO, Fla., Nov. 13, 2013 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- [ http://ur1.ca/g13u4 ] | Nov 13 19:10 |
| schestowitz | !google cia collect everything forever | Nov 13 19:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - CIA Has Plan to 'Collect Everything and Hang on to it Forever ... | https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/03/21-2 | Nov 13 19:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - CIA's big data mission: 'Collect everything and hang onto it forever ... | http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/21/cias-big-data-mission-collect-everything-and-hang-onto-it-forever/ | Nov 13 19:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - CIA's Tech Head on Your Data: 'We Try To Collect Everything - Gawker | http://gawker.com/5991731/ | Nov 13 19:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - CIA's Gus Hunt On Big Data: We 'Try To Collect Everything And ... | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/20/cia-gus-hunt-big-data_n_2917842.html | Nov 13 19:10 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: posted the seattle thing, thanks | Nov 13 19:10 |
| MinceR | np | Nov 13 19:10 |
| iophk | Isn't voice 8-bit, mono sound with a low sample rate? | Nov 13 19:11 |
| iophk | The CIA could store a lot compressed. | Nov 13 19:14 |
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| sebsebseb | hi jono | Nov 13 19:20 |
| jono | hey sebsebseb | Nov 13 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | jono: are you doing your Q&A stil? | Nov 13 19:20 |
| jono | sebsebseb, changed the time to Tuesdays | Nov 13 19:20 |
| jono | did it yesterday | Nov 13 19:20 |
| jono | and I just did a session on 14.04 goals | Nov 13 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | some sort of Ubuntu 14.10 video or something on there now | Nov 13 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | looking like the Q&A | Nov 13 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | jono: yeah I just loaded that up there's a video | Nov 13 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | I thought you might have changed the day | Nov 13 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | jono: Tuesday at the same time? | Nov 13 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | why the daychange, better day for you? | Nov 13 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | jono: won't be there next Tuesday, I got to go toa organisers meeting, where we wlil decide on what distros and interfaces to have for an event | Nov 13 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | assuming it's the same time | Nov 13 19:23 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: TPP article out | Nov 13 19:23 |
| jono | sebsebseb, conflict | Nov 13 19:23 |
| jono | so I need to change it | Nov 13 19:23 |
| jono | gotta run, later | Nov 13 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | jono: ok bye for now | Nov 13 19:24 |
| jono | bye sebsebseb! :-) | Nov 13 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | jono: not sure why I am getting a :) ,but ok I guess :d | Nov 13 19:26 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: yeah | Nov 13 19:39 |
| schestowitz | and plenty more to come | Nov 13 19:39 |
| schestowitz | also see my twitter/diaspora feed | Nov 13 19:39 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: been following | Nov 13 19:41 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: absolutely horrendous | Nov 13 19:41 |
| schestowitz | censorship. against egenerics, copyrigth maximalism, EVERYTHING | Nov 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | in one big bundle | Nov 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | and Obama tried fast-tracking it through progress | Nov 13 19:44 |
| XFaCE | yep pretty much | Nov 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | like MS in ISO | Nov 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | with OOXML | Nov 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | While it was all secret | Nov 13 19:44 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: amazingly, he met resistance | Nov 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | like OOXML | Nov 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | before techrights leaked OOXML | Nov 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | someone leaked it through us | Nov 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | and we got legal threats for it, veiled threats | Nov 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | so I took it down, they scared me | Nov 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | that was in 2008 | Nov 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | how can one fast-track something secret? | Nov 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Says a lot about who Obama serves... | Nov 13 19:45 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: didn't stop the bush admin :P | Nov 13 19:45 |
| XFaCE | heh | Nov 13 19:45 |
| XFaCE | yep | Nov 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Having the US as a trade partner is often like having Microsoft as a partner | Nov 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | one one side gains | Nov 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | and if you don't agree to give up, they do the Yang treatment on you | Nov 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | or invade you in other ways | Nov 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | moles, Icahn | Nov 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | CIA, allgations of rape, coup, drone strikes, nuclear poisoning, public shaming with NSA-provided data | Nov 13 19:47 |
| iophk | old - http://darksleep.com/notablog/articles/Intellectual_Property_Is_Fraud | Nov 13 19:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | darksleep.com | Intellectual Property Is Fraud - darksleep.com/notablog [ http://ur1.ca/g142h ] | Nov 13 19:55 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285661 | Nov 13 20:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: RT @wikileaks #TPP contains "WikiLeaks" clause that criminalises non-profit publication of copyrighted docs http://t.co/7Gc5GPB7q3 | Nov 13 20:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> wikileaks.org | Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP) | Nov 13 20:05 |
| schestowitz | "so, unauthorized commercial use isn't allowed, due to copyright and non-commercial use isn't allowed due to this mess of this crap agreement.|" | Nov 13 20:06 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285317 | Nov 13 20:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: More NSA transparency would lead to bigger privacy invasion, agency lawyer says http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/13/5099592/al-franken-questions-officials-in-surveillance-transparency-act-hearing #nsa aggression | Nov 13 20:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theverge.com | More NSA transparency would lead to bigger privacy invasion, agency lawyer says | The Verge [ http://ur1.ca/g145b ] | Nov 13 20:06 |
| schestowitz | ""When your privacy is invaded and you don't know about it then it's not invasion of privacy", according to (I think) rep. Mike Rogers." | Nov 13 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | I searched the Web for this quote, can't find it... :/ | Nov 13 20:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 13 20:08 |
| schestowitz | when it comes to the spying skandal there is no hope in legislation. the agencies did not obey to the law in the past and they will not do so in the future. | Nov 13 20:08 |
| schestowitz | so either the net itself comes up with a solution to this existencial threat or it will cease to exist and become sth unusable and obscene. | Nov 13 20:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 13 20:08 |
| MinceR | i've seen that quote on The Daily Show | Nov 13 20:25 |
| MinceR | but i don't know which episode | Nov 13 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285317 | Nov 13 20:35 |
| schestowitz | "It was on #techdirt (where else ;-) ) https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131029/18020225059/ " | Nov 13 20:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.techdirt.com | Mike Rogers: You Can't Have Your Privacy Violated If You Don't Know About It | Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/g14b6 ] | Nov 13 20:35 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285885 | Nov 13 20:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @jay_cobbs@pod.geraspora.de: Ich fands schon gruselig festzustellen, dass google mein g+ Foto bei Bekannten ins Android-Adressbuch kopiert hat, ohne zu fragen... wenn das jetzt noch unaufgefordert und ohne jede Verbindung passiert.. | Nov 13 20:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.engadget.com | Google will soon display your Google+ photo when you call an Android phone [ http://ur1.ca/g14bh ] | Nov 13 20:36 |
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| sebsebseb | rff | Nov 13 20:48 |
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| sebsebseb | hi DaemonFC | Nov 13 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | hello | Nov 13 20:53 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Humble Store uhmm right ok, but then I can't buy from it | Nov 13 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: so I guess I get to keep my cash then | Nov 13 20:55 |
| sebsebseb | I emailed them earlier, but no reply yet | Nov 13 20:55 |
| schestowitz | http://mrpogson.com/2013/11/07/like-father-like-son/ pretty well made video | Nov 13 21:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | Like Father Like Son | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/g14qv ] | Nov 13 21:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/400744637897637889 | Nov 13 22:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @gnutelephony: @schestowitz @linuxfoundation reminds me of what happened when canonical hired Microsoft people | Nov 13 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Don't worry, the @linuxfoundation knows what it's doing. Next thing you know the guy will hire ex-pats from Microsoft | Nov 13 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Friend brings a friend. Remember how #VMware got taken over by #microsoft execs thanks to Tucci/EMC | Nov 13 22:20 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400749248226283520 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400750401009758208 | Nov 13 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Australia backs the US at every turn against its own consumers http://t.co/m9lrNnJiwb #tpp #politics #corruption #secrecy | Nov 13 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.smh.com.au | Australia backs the US at every turn against its own consumers | Nov 13 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Australia could derive great pride and massive intl' karma by defending and helping #assange - instead it decided to embarrass itself | Nov 13 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3286343 | Nov 13 22:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.joindiaspora.com | #who #is #seattle... [ http://ur1.ca/g14x4 ] | Nov 13 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Fox? Really?! They would never label people for agenda of Rupert and his goons.... | Nov 13 22:24 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286348 | Nov 13 22:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Australia could derive great pride and massive intl' karma by defending and helping #assange - instead it decided to embarrass itself | Nov 13 22:26 |
| schestowitz | "They have to service the needs of the master, like almost every other country...." | Nov 13 22:26 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286092 | Nov 13 22:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Earth Under Water in Next 20 Years - National Geographic Documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9TX7aJQe6s #hd version | Nov 13 22:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | (HD) Earth Under Water in Next 20 Years - National Geographic Documentary - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g14vv ] | Nov 13 22:30 |
| schestowitz | "Floating cities the new Noah ...... cycles .......... Vision." | Nov 13 22:30 |
| schestowitz | hard to grow food in floating cities, can't self-suffice... | Nov 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | The sea wall construction at New Orleans looks amazing - something that USA is really good at large scale civil engineering - protect people as well as industry ...... | Nov 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | But if the there is no global warming as the politicians try telling people ....... then this engineering would not be taking place. | Nov 13 22:31 |
| MinceR | could use hydroponics and seasteading | Nov 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | So where are the hypocrites ...... ask them ..... why spend Billions on sea defences if you do not actually believe there is anything in climate change. | Nov 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Actions are showing that they know ..... so how high is that sea wall because that gives some idea of how much more water they are expecting at that one point ...... New Orleans is it more likely due to the weather fronts from what is being shown on the net .......... | Nov 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=New+Orleans&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=5fiDUumCFsvJswaByYH4Dg#q=New+Orleans+cyclones+predictions+2014 | Nov 13 22:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.google.co.uk | New Orleans - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/g14ym ] | Nov 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | The actions speak louder ....... so next year what precautions are being taken at other low lying industrial parts of the USA. | Nov 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 13 22:31 |
| MinceR | not easy to house 7 billion humans, though | Nov 13 22:32 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286343 | Nov 13 22:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @rocapc@joindiaspora.com: #who #is #seattle #city #council #candidate #kshama #sawant ? | Nov 13 22:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by rocapc@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_294b21d1f306a2f57c57.jpg | Nov 13 22:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> q13fox.com | Who is Seattle City Council candidate Kshama Sawant? | Q13 FOX News [ http://ur1.ca/g14yy ] | Nov 13 22:35 |
| schestowitz | "Who votes on this election? When? Why does it take so long to count the votes? (I know I could find the answers myself by searching a bit, bur maybe there's someone here who knows)." | Nov 13 22:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: seaworld? | Nov 13 22:35 |
| MinceR | dunno | Nov 13 22:36 |
| MinceR | waterworld? | Nov 13 22:36 |
| MinceR | (bonus pun: "water you waiting for?") | Nov 13 22:36 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 13 22:40 |
| schestowitz | waterworld | Nov 13 22:40 |
| schestowitz | I watched it in the cinema at the time | Nov 13 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Kevin Costner IIRC | Nov 13 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Quite a shitty and depressing film | Nov 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz | but it received decent reviews at the time | Nov 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz | It's like Mad Max, watery edition | Nov 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz | http://youtu.be/d7LAN_FB1Nc | Nov 13 22:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Waterworld Theatrical Trailer - YouTube | Nov 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz | just posted by someone at https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286092 | Nov 13 22:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Earth Under Water in Next 20 Years - National Geographic Documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9TX7aJQe6s #hd version | Nov 13 22:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | (HD) Earth Under Water in Next 20 Years - National Geographic Documentary - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g14vv ] | Nov 13 22:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400751914528559104 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400752305974542336 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400753273541779456 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400754638489915392 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400754959433883648 | Nov 13 22:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: MAD cover https://t.co/U8IISCP3xA | Nov 13 22:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 2013: adults uploading (w/o consent) photos of their (grand)children; kids as young as 10 uploading photos of elderly family members. | Nov 13 22:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: #Trademark Law Does Not Require Companies To Tirelessly Censor the Internet https://t.co/HPDA5XiY67 #canonical #ubuntu #privacy #censorship | Nov 13 22:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.eff.org | Trademark Law Does Not Require Companies To Tirelessly Censor the Internet | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Nov 13 22:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Criminal terror charges filed against Obama http://t.co/y8vC705xXM "Egyptian lawyers have filed criminal terrorism charge" | Nov 13 22:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.wnd.com | Criminal terror charges filed against Obama | Nov 13 22:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: These terrorism charges are ridiculous. ಠ_ಠ The #CIA and Obama/Democrats don't support terrorists, they only provide training and weapons. | Nov 13 22:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400757008636592128 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400756420708405249 | Nov 13 22:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Attaining popular complicity by threatening with retribution for irregular behaviour... for life. http://t.co/jvXeIB7B3Y | Nov 13 22:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.thenation.com | Boxed In: How a Criminal Record Keeps You Unemployed For Life | The Nation | Nov 13 22:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: TAFTA cartoon https://t.co/si5OXInmbk | Nov 13 22:56 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286510 | Nov 13 22:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ### Under #Surveillance | Nov 13 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | "What about Firegloves?" | Nov 13 22:57 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.71 | Nov 13 22:57 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_478b124510091ac0ecd7.jpg | Nov 13 22:59 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3280916 | Nov 13 23:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @bkoehn@diaspora.koehn.com: Deepak Chopra is a very charismatic, intelligent businessman. Much like other preachers in our society (Glenn Beck, Harold Camping, Rand Paul), he's engaging, charming, and plays well to his base. He's also making this stuff up as he goes. | Nov 13 23:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> scienceblogs.com | Deepak Chopra continues his woo-ful whining – Respectful Insolence [ http://ur1.ca/g1550 ] | Nov 13 23:08 |
| schestowitz | http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/11/12/deepak-chopra-continues-his-woo-ful-whining/ | Nov 13 23:08 |
| schestowitz | "Once again, Chopra conflates atheism and skepticism, as though the two were the same thing. " | Nov 13 23:09 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 13 23:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400760241874538496 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400761790042501120 | Nov 13 23:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Weird: #java wins in a performance benchmark http://t.co/1DwTYNgj8N | Nov 13 23:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.javaworld.com | Surprise! Java is fastest for server-side Web apps - JavaWorld | Nov 13 23:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Diaspora https://t.co/Pszpdr0ERe #freedom #communication #censorship #freespeech | Nov 13 23:11 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: nn | Nov 13 23:11 |
| MinceR | thx | Nov 13 23:11 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286607 | Nov 13 23:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Diaspora https://diasp.org/uploads/images/scaled_full_7929bbc491b6c10bd872.png #freedom #communication #censorship #freespeech | Nov 13 23:12 |
| schestowitz | "Freedom to choose." | Nov 13 23:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400762823585705985 | Nov 13 23:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: First #p2p and now "online gambling is a strategic national threat because terrorists could use it to launder money" https://t.co/bf1D7JURC4 | Nov 13 23:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.schneier.com | Schneier on Security: Bizarre Online Gambling Movie-Plot Threat | Nov 13 23:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_Grk96_hJs | Nov 13 23:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | The Netherlands: Police clash with anti-Marine Le Pen protesters - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g156y ] | Nov 13 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer I've never seen anything that hostile to data recovery efforts. The NTFS partition was incredibly corrupted, and the file system was impossible to mount. The ntfs fixer application in ntfsprogs wasn't able to do anything with it. The chkdsk in the recovery console on a Windows 8.1 evaluation disc was going so slow that the timer was saying 999 hours. I'm glad we don't have anything like that with ext4. Note to self: Never store | Nov 13 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | anything important on Microsoft's file system. | Nov 13 23:31 |
| Sosumi | oddly enough I've never seen a corrupted NTFS | Nov 13 23:48 |
| Sosumi | but I shouldn't mention HFS, that thing was a nightmare sometimes | Nov 13 23:48 |
| Sosumi | but yeah, I'm yet to experience problems with ext3/4 | Nov 13 23:50 |
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| Sosumi | gn | Nov 14 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | After spending all day in a failed attempt to salvage data from a corrupted Windows NTFS partition.... a delightful comparison between Windows 8 and Fedora GNULinux. | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 8: | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Windows does not alert the user to SMART warnings. The hard drive could basically be screaming that it is about to die, and Windows will not alert the user. | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | NTFS's design still sucks. Chkdsk was running so slowly that the estimated time to completion was 42 days. | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Many file system errors will make it impossible to mount the drive until they are manually fixed by the user, with Chkdsk. | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 8 could not be more useless in helping you to get your computer running again after you have file system errors that take out one or more critical system files. | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft still puts system data and user data on one large partition, so you can lose everything if a partition is corrupt, or you need to re-install the OS. | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora GNU/Linux: | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | If the hard drive has a SMART warning, the operating system notifies the user immediately. | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | ext4 spends 1-2 seconds doing a journal replay each boot, and about 1-2 minutes on every 100th boot, doing a thorough file system check. | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Most file system errors are self-healing. | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | If the superblock is corrupt, there are at least half a dozen backup copies in the file system layout. | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | My system, data, and boot partitions are separate. I can re-install the OS or format the system partition and install the newer version of the OS without disrupting any of my files or settings. | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | There is no "product activator" that will lock me out of my computer if I re-install the operating system. | Nov 14 00:24 |
| Sosumi | big volumes and winblows | Nov 14 00:30 |
| Sosumi | is it even possible to put the users home folder in a separate disk or partition? | Nov 14 00:31 |
| Sosumi | on linux and osx up to 10.6 doing so is a piece of cake | Nov 14 00:32 |
| Sosumi | on windows, I've hear that is necessary to play with some audit mode and it's not very direct | Nov 14 00:33 |
| Sosumi | but alas, winblows | Nov 14 00:36 |
| Sosumi | http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/184/c/6/triple_facepalm_by_spottedheart98464-d3kuyp3.png | Nov 14 00:36 |
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| brendyn | auto playind audio ont techrights -.- | Nov 14 03:58 |
| brendyn | schestowitz: replace arch with parabola on the site. you just dont need arch anymore | Nov 14 04:03 |
| schestowitz | naaaa | Nov 14 06:18 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285943 | Nov 14 06:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @linux@joindiaspora.com: CyanogenMod publishes new Installer app on Google Play http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/cyanogenmod-publishes-installer-app-on-google-play/ | Nov 14 06:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | CyanogenMod publishes new Installer app on Google Play | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g171j ] | Nov 14 06:18 |
| schestowitz | "Still trying to figure if these guys have jumped the evil shark or not. Appartently the CLA gives them the right to relicense contributed code to whatever they wish, and they have analytics code in the OS. Still, at this stage the code seems to be FOSS and it has more privacy protection than stock Android." | Nov 14 06:18 |
| schestowitz | "What I really want is a full FOSS phone with a real selection of apps. Hmmm..." | Nov 14 06:18 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3284184 | Nov 14 06:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google as Flag Bearer of GNU/Linux | Nov 14 06:23 |
| schestowitz | "The proper thing for Google to do about real names is to tell people that Google alias brings no real privacy and why that's so. Google knows that non free software and ISPs spy on users. The only thing less ethical than forcing people to use real names is offering them a false sense of privacy." | Nov 14 06:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Google as Flag Bearer of GNU/Linux | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g172f ] | Nov 14 06:23 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3280072 | Nov 14 06:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hillsboro School District considering open-source solutions in wake of failed bond measure http://www.oregonlive.com/hillsboro/index.ssf/2013/11/hillsboro_school_district_cons_1.html #gnu #linux | Nov 14 06:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.oregonlive.com | Hillsboro School District considering open-source solutions in wake of failed bond measure | OregonLive.com [ http://ur1.ca/g0qa2 ] | Nov 14 06:24 |
| schestowitz | "I'm in the process of drafting an email to Don Wolf, the person in charge of IT there, to suggest Debian-Edu/Skolelinux as an alternative to Ubuntu. You had a great little piece on Techrights about it that I found and it looks like the answer to their problems. If it's good enough for 196 schools around the world it's got to be good enough for the Hillsboro school district, no?" | Nov 14 06:24 |
| schestowitz | "@Will: I went to school in an adjacent school district to this one. Around 2002 the district was in dire need of computer upgrades when along came Chipzilla and M$ to donate funds to purchase brand new Dell desktops with shiny new Windows XP and P4s. Compensation I guess for the PFCs billowing out of their smokestacks every night after dark. I don't know what that stuff is, but I do know that it's not frost on the grass outside the | Nov 14 06:25 |
| schestowitz | half-dozen Intel campuses every morning. You damn near can't throw a rock in Washington County without hitting something related to Intel." | Nov 14 06:25 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285842 | Nov 14 06:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Surveillance through a real ID system (crowdsourced to us) http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/06/google-profile-photos-android-calls/ #google #privacy #android | Nov 14 06:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.engadget.com | Google will soon display your Google+ photo when you call an Android phone [ http://ur1.ca/g14bh ] | Nov 14 06:28 |
| schestowitz | "I find it annoying to be honest. I have uploaded several abstract images, and a couple real images, to gmail, and to google from a couple different computers over the last 7 or 8 years. And then at one point, my Android phone shows six different images of 'me' in its photo gallery. Without having activated gmail on that phone ... google had ID'd me by some means (web browsing habits?) and uploaded the images, near as I can tell. It | Nov 14 06:28 |
| schestowitz | was creepy." | Nov 14 06:28 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286427 | Nov 14 06:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Trademark Law Does Not Require Companies To Tirelessly Censor the Internet | Nov 14 06:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.eff.org | Trademark Law Does Not Require Companies To Tirelessly Censor the Internet | Electronic Frontier Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/g14je ] | Nov 14 06:28 |
| schestowitz | "A very informative, and generous I think, explanation. Thanks for sharing it." | Nov 14 06:28 |
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| iophk | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/11/nokia-under-elop-his-3-years-performance-review-worst-ceo-of-all-time-all-the-facts-in-pictures.html | Nov 14 09:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Nokia Under Elop - His 3 Years: Performance Review - Worst CEO of All Time - All the Facts - In Pictures [ http://ur1.ca/g182w ] | Nov 14 09:01 |
| iophk | Even those that initially denied it now have to admit that Elop was a mole. | Nov 14 09:02 |
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| MinceR | they won't | Nov 14 09:14 |
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| oiaohm | iophk: you are a optimist. If they admit publicly he is a Mole it will trigger insider trading laws. | Nov 14 09:42 |
| iophk | On the Nokia side, from where I see it, there is something that needs investigating. Maybe jail time is in order for some of the board. | Nov 14 09:42 |
| oiaohm | Jail time for the board/ex ceo for miss management has to be a possiblity. | Nov 14 09:45 |
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| oiaohm | iophk: punishing the board or ex ceo does not require admitting he is a mole. | Nov 14 09:47 |
| iophk | true | Nov 14 09:47 |
| iophk | Admitting he is a mole would put M$ into all kinds of trouble. | Nov 14 09:47 |
| iophk | That would be a separate issue. | Nov 14 09:48 |
| MinceR | also consider that they regularly engage in revisionalism | Nov 14 09:48 |
| MinceR | they're willing to lie about bigger things than elop being a mole | Nov 14 09:48 |
| iophk | Yes and they've been still trying to paint him as having "saved" Nokia | Nov 14 09:49 |
| iophk | I wonder if there is a way to charge him for being a mole and try him for it. Then if guilty, proceed against M$ | Nov 14 09:50 |
| oiaohm | iophk: I am sorry to say the biggest mistake was nokia refusing android out right. | Nov 14 09:51 |
| oiaohm | iophk: or any third party made OS outright. | Nov 14 09:51 |
| iophk | I though Meego was on the way to being a success. | Nov 14 09:51 |
| iophk | It was a good alternative to Android. | Nov 14 09:51 |
| oiaohm | iophk: and that was pre Elop | Nov 14 09:51 |
| iophk | Yes. | Nov 14 09:52 |
| iophk | Elop was there to run the company into the ground. | Nov 14 09:52 |
| MinceR | MeeGo would have worked, if the elopocalypse didn't happen. | Nov 14 09:52 |
| iophk | It was in his contract. | Nov 14 09:52 |
| oiaohm | Samsung has had there own OS with Tizen and baba before that. | Nov 14 09:52 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Meego could have remained small like Tizen and baba | Nov 14 09:52 |
| oiaohm | The big nokia mistake was being unwilling to keep up with competition. | Nov 14 09:53 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: Tizen isn't even started yet | Nov 14 09:54 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: o it started. | Nov 14 09:54 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the first tizen device is a camera. | Nov 14 09:55 |
| MinceR | still, there's no reason why nokia couldn't offer both android and meego | Nov 14 09:55 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: cameras are irrelevant to this discussion. | Nov 14 09:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: really not so. | Nov 14 09:55 |
| oiaohm | HTC motorola and Samsung ie Nokia biggest competition have been spreeding there interests. | Nov 14 09:56 |
| oiaohm | Yes there was no reason why nokia could not have gone android meego and windows phone like everyone else. | Nov 14 09:56 |
| MinceR | please explain how a single Tizen camera being out means Tizen will remain small. | Nov 14 09:57 |
| oiaohm | Also not diversiving. made them more open to attack. | Nov 14 09:57 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its just the current trends. | Nov 14 09:57 |
| MinceR | offering winblows phone would have been a waste of resources, though | Nov 14 09:57 |
| oiaohm | Tizen is not going to grow quick. | Nov 14 09:57 |
| MinceR | if samsung wants it to grow quick, it will | Nov 14 09:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: samsung and HTC.... also have been offering token Windows phone devices. | Nov 14 09:58 |
| MinceR | and samsung wants to be less dependent on google | Nov 14 09:58 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: even in their case, it was a waste of resources. | Nov 14 09:58 |
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| MinceR | winblows phone has no value proposition and nobody wants it. | Nov 14 09:58 |
| MinceR | it's worse than most dumbphone os-es | Nov 14 09:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: but it making sure you are offering a item even for the smallest percentage of customers. | Nov 14 09:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes there are some MS fans out there. | Nov 14 09:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: we wish they did not exist. | Nov 14 09:59 |
| oiaohm | But its marketing. | Nov 14 09:59 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: think of it this way MS fan knows samsung has a windows phone so when someone asks brand they trust they say samsung. | Nov 14 10:00 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and most likely the person ends up buying Something samsung that is android. | Nov 14 10:00 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically you want market share you service even the idiots. | Nov 14 10:01 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure how realistic that scenario is | Nov 14 10:01 |
| MinceR | and it does cost time and money to put hardware under winblows phone and put it into the distribution channels. | Nov 14 10:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: 1 they don't make a unique board for Winblows phones. | Nov 14 10:03 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: 2 they attempt recover some of the cost by demarding lower patent deals from Microsoft. | Nov 14 10:03 |
| MinceR | it would have been more reasonable to refuse patent deals with them | Nov 14 10:05 |
| oiaohm | Unfortunally not that posible. | Nov 14 10:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: annoying as hell fat and other patented locked filesystems got made standard on common memory cards. | Nov 14 10:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: since these are the defaults its legal for those flash devices to use those file system layout data for flash optimisation. | Nov 14 10:08 |
| iophk | It isn't even an appropriate file system for more than data loss. | Nov 14 10:08 |
| oiaohm | iophk: you will have more on some flash devices using anything other than fat. | Nov 14 10:09 |
| oiaohm | iophk: ie flash internal blanking will blank areas that are not marked as allocated by the fat on some. | Nov 14 10:09 |
| oiaohm | Yes patents and standards are complete prick combinations. | Nov 14 10:10 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: at http://techrights.org/2013/11/12/fossil-fuel-and-storms/#postcomment | Nov 14 10:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ( status 404 @ http://techrights.org/2013/11/12/fossil-fuel-and-storms/#postcomment ) | Nov 14 10:30 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: you should have posted potholer54 vids :) | Nov 14 10:30 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: the vfat patent could be attacked | Nov 14 10:46 |
| iophk | MinceR: that would be good in and of itself, because of the patents in general, but vfat itself is not worth having. | Nov 14 10:47 |
| MinceR | it was demonstrated that Linus published the idea before m$ implemented it | Nov 14 10:47 |
| MinceR | also, most of the supposed m$ patents are just smoke and mirrors. | Nov 14 10:48 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: not all the patent was defeated. | Nov 14 11:04 |
| MinceR | what part wasn't? | Nov 14 11:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Linux patent avoiding method is just create the long filename skip creating the small in MS format. | Nov 14 11:05 |
| MinceR | afaik the Linus post was about how to create the short filename | Nov 14 11:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Note I said MS format. | Nov 14 11:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Linus own format was slightly different. | Nov 14 11:06 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: afaik that doesn't save the patent | Nov 14 11:06 |
| oiaohm | Yes evil embedded controllers. | Nov 14 11:06 |
| MinceR | also, a big enough hw maker could just decline supporting vfat | Nov 14 11:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Samsung is working on achiving that. | Nov 14 11:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the patent has handled challage. | Nov 14 11:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: good thing is dies in the next few years. | Nov 14 11:08 |
| oiaohm | then exfat becomes the next problem. | Nov 14 11:08 |
| MinceR | now they only have to block exfat | Nov 14 11:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and particular flash memory times exfat is mandory. | Nov 14 11:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: SDXC cards are all exfat | Nov 14 11:10 |
| MinceR | time for a new standard, then | Nov 14 11:10 |
| oiaohm | I agree | Nov 14 11:10 |
| MinceR | or attack SDXC because they mandated a patent-encumbered filesystem. | Nov 14 11:10 |
| MinceR | several camera makers could come up with their own memory card formats | Nov 14 11:10 |
| MinceR | if the guys in charge of SD insist on this bullshit, they can be abandoned. | Nov 14 11:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you cannot reformat SDXC cards to other than exfat as well without risking big issues. | Nov 14 11:11 |
| MinceR | i strongly suspect that at this point the companies threatened by m$ patents have a lot more power (money, market cap, etc.) than m$. | Nov 14 11:11 |
| iophk | Those companies have not worked together before to stand up to M$ | Nov 14 11:13 |
| MinceR | plus m$ can't manufacture sd cards themselves, afaik | Nov 14 11:13 |
| MinceR | well, it's time for them to gang up | Nov 14 11:13 |
| iophk | it is classic divide-and-conquer | Nov 14 11:13 |
| iophk | yes it's time for them to do so. They have a lot to lose if they don't. | Nov 14 11:13 |
| iophk | And a lot to gain if they do. | Nov 14 11:13 |
| oiaohm | Issue here is Microsoft brick wall. | Nov 14 11:13 |
| oiaohm | Look at the number of file systems Microsoft supports. | Nov 14 11:14 |
| oiaohm | Its bugger all. | Nov 14 11:14 |
| MinceR | the card reader or phone could come with filesystem drivers | Nov 14 11:14 |
| oiaohm | Then items like UDF that you should be able to use on flash and cdrom drives | Nov 14 11:14 |
| MinceR | also, the filesystem could be accessed over a LAN. | Nov 14 11:14 |
| MinceR | afaik even with MTP it's not much of an issue | Nov 14 11:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you are on the right track. | Nov 14 11:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes MTP standard is partly about breaking out of th MS mess. | Nov 14 11:15 |
| MinceR | then again, MTP is probably patent-encumbered itself | Nov 14 11:15 |
| iophk | Including the necessary drivers has been done before. | Nov 14 11:15 |
| MinceR | (at least i had the impression that it's a m$ thing) | Nov 14 11:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: MTP is a MS thing but MS also has given a patent promise over it. | Nov 14 11:16 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: MS thought it was a completely failed item after zune it came from died. | Nov 14 11:17 |
| yang | how come that techrights blog is so frewuently updated, who contributes all these articles? | Nov 14 11:17 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 14 11:17 |
| MinceR | yang: it's mostly Roy | Nov 14 11:17 |
| MinceR | afaik | Nov 14 11:17 |
| yang | oh | Nov 14 11:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remembr you need MS support by any underhanded means. | Nov 14 11:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: MTP falls into that cap. | Nov 14 11:18 |
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| oiaohm | Hmm the mono microsoft deal could get interesting | Nov 14 12:21 |
| iophk | Interesting as in an interesting mess that spreads. | Nov 14 12:22 |
| iophk | I don't look forward to it again. | Nov 14 12:22 |
| oiaohm | iophk: its a interesting mess due to the legal sides. | Nov 14 12:22 |
| iophk | They've encroache on a lot of games, too. | Nov 14 12:22 |
| oiaohm | Its almost like MS is desprate. | Nov 14 12:22 |
| iophk | They are. | Nov 14 12:22 |
| oiaohm | By holdng mono at arms lenth they could in future use patents agaist it. | Nov 14 12:23 |
| iophk | Their two source of income are becoming irrelevant. | Nov 14 12:23 |
| oiaohm | Now not this gets interesting. | Nov 14 12:23 |
| iophk | They could still use patents, even if they 'help' it along. | Nov 14 12:23 |
| iophk | Their involvement makes the case for patent ownership in Mono stronger. | Nov 14 12:23 |
| iophk | Stuff written in mono is slow and unstable, probably also insecure, but it's so seldom used. | Nov 14 12:25 |
| iophk | so few reports are made | Nov 14 12:25 |
| oiaohm | iophk: read closer MS is shipping it themselves. | Nov 14 12:37 |
| oiaohm | iophk: its a bit hard to sue your own product. | Nov 14 12:37 |
| iophk | They've demonstrated a lot of gall in the past. | Nov 14 12:38 |
| iophk | Maybe they would sue their own user? | Nov 14 12:38 |
| oiaohm | iophk: also not a legal valid option. | Nov 14 12:38 |
| oiaohm | iophk: to sue their own user they are required to declare the effected patents in advance. | Nov 14 12:39 |
| oiaohm | iophk: the laws against entrapment come into play. | Nov 14 12:39 |
| brendyn | website doesnt make much sense. how do i find articles about flash? | Nov 14 12:39 |
| iophk | IANAL but maybe they are just trying to get it spread so they can then demand payment. | Nov 14 12:40 |
| iophk | at some later date. | Nov 14 12:40 |
| iophk | brendyn: try +site:techrights.org in your search engine | Nov 14 12:40 |
| brendyn | hmmm ok, do you happen to know of a page summarising the main problems with flash? | Nov 14 12:42 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: flash is disappearing. | Nov 14 12:43 |
| brendyn | i know | Nov 14 12:44 |
| iophk | brendyn: I'm not finding a separate page for Flash | Nov 14 12:45 |
| iophk | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Search/Flash | Nov 14 12:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | Search results - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g19f8 ] | Nov 14 12:45 |
| iophk | Only a few of the wiki pages mention it. | Nov 14 12:46 |
| iophk | It is mentioned more in the main posts. | Nov 14 12:46 |
| brendyn | i just saw some mistake GNU as an alternative for 'Linux' lol | Nov 14 12:49 |
| iophk | GNU/kfreebsd ? | Nov 14 12:49 |
| iophk | on Debian? | Nov 14 12:49 |
| brendyn | no | Nov 14 12:50 |
| brendyn | Linux meanind GNU/Linux | Nov 14 12:52 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: busybox/Linux | Nov 14 12:53 |
| brendyn | your missing the point | Nov 14 12:53 |
| oiaohm | I think you missed mine. | Nov 14 12:54 |
| oiaohm | Most rounters are not GNU/Linux | Nov 14 12:54 |
| oiaohm | Most rounters are in fact some branch of busybox/Linux | Nov 14 12:54 |
| brendyn | your point doesnt seem related to mine, and you are responding to me | Nov 14 12:55 |
| oiaohm | Also GNU does have a kernel of it own. | Nov 14 12:55 |
| oiaohm | A pure GNU system is a Hurd system. | Nov 14 12:55 |
| brendyn | ... | Nov 14 12:56 |
| brendyn | calm down lol | Nov 14 12:56 |
| oiaohm | http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html | Nov 14 12:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.gnu.org | hurd [ http://ur1.ca/2evey ] | Nov 14 12:56 |
| oiaohm | Yes there is a OS kernel named hurd | Nov 14 12:57 |
| brendyn | i know... | Nov 14 12:57 |
| brendyn | you *are* missing the point | Nov 14 12:57 |
| oiaohm | So person could be right as GNU as a alterative to GNU/Linux if they are taking about a hurd system. | Nov 14 12:57 |
| MinceR | what libc does busybox use? | Nov 14 12:57 |
| MinceR | also, the compiler and linker might matter too, and those are still GNU, afaik | Nov 14 12:58 |
| brendyn | they are not right | Nov 14 12:58 |
| brendyn | oiaohm: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/wiio.html | Nov 14 12:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cs.tut.fi | A commentary of Wiio's laws | Nov 14 12:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: normally one of the highly compact libc. dietlibc for example is in busybox routers. | Nov 14 12:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: computer gcc or llvm | Nov 14 12:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: or so other custom mips or other horibles. | Nov 14 12:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so basically a busybox/LInux system is quite a arms lenght to a normal GNU/Linux system. | Nov 14 12:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember in a router every bit counts. | Nov 14 13:02 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: I know a few people who think GNU and Linux are one and the same. | Nov 14 13:02 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: it get funny when you point out that hurd started development before Linus even wrote 1 line of code on Linux. | Nov 14 13:03 |
| brendyn | why does that make it funny? | Nov 14 13:04 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: seems to be a fuzzy case between GNU and non-GNU, then | Nov 14 13:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: all the parts are normally GPL licenses but they are mostly not GNU projects. | Nov 14 13:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes just because something is GPL does not mean its GNU either. | Nov 14 13:05 |
| MinceR | yeah, but the GNU in GNU/Linux doesn't stand for the license | Nov 14 13:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: GNU in GNU linux stands for the projects from gnu.org used. | Nov 14 13:06 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: what is the funny bit is why hurd taken so long to develop. | Nov 14 13:06 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: hurd has taken so long to develop because its too resistant to crashing and stopping. | Nov 14 13:07 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yes, and you could for example use gcc and gmake, but not glibc, to build the busybox you run on the router | Nov 14 13:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: but when the router is running gnu and gmake are not present. | Nov 14 13:07 |
| MinceR | does that make them not matter? | Nov 14 13:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: from dotted i and crossed t tenically they are no longer counted. | Nov 14 13:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: because the GNU/Linux and busybox/Linux are both refering to what is present in the device. | Nov 14 13:09 |
| brendyn | oiaohm: ? | Nov 14 13:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also gcc might have been swapped out with llvm. | Nov 14 13:09 |
| brendyn | that is a load of nonsense | Nov 14 13:10 |
| MinceR | also, what if i install busybox on a GNU/Linux system? :> | Nov 14 13:10 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also there are other makes that can process gnumake files. | Nov 14 13:10 |
| MinceR | there's also GNU running in a chroot on an Android/Linux system... and Android running on a chroot (but still owning init and the hardware) on a GNU/Linux system | Nov 14 13:11 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: hurd is a full microkernel design. With auto subsystem restart. | Nov 14 13:11 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: so a hurd system can be repeatly crashing core parts and restarting them while still keeping applications running. | Nov 14 13:12 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: making the thing the worlds worst OS to attemp to debug. | Nov 14 13:12 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: sign of a hurd system in trouble its running slow. | Nov 14 13:13 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: system classification gets horible at times. | Nov 14 13:14 |
| MinceR | my point exactly | Nov 14 13:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: have you ever seen the title. GNU/Linux/L4 or it written the other way. | Nov 14 13:14 |
| brendyn | hmm seems pretty suspect to say its actually caused by resistance to crashing and stopping | Nov 14 13:15 |
| MinceR | i've heard of L4 but i don't think i've seen the title. | Nov 14 13:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that is a horible system where the L4 microkernel is the bottom. | Nov 14 13:15 |
| MinceR | why is it horrible? | Nov 14 13:15 |
| fewt | o/ | Nov 14 13:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it more written L4/Linux/GNU. | Nov 14 13:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its just all the extra places for things to go wrong. | Nov 14 13:16 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 14 13:16 |
| MinceR | can L4 resurrect its services? | Nov 14 13:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes it can. | Nov 14 13:17 |
| MinceR | i guess Linux itself might be tricky to resurrect seamlessly | Nov 14 13:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also it can be running some stuff in RTOS mode as well. | Nov 14 13:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes conflit between what Linux kernel is doing and RTOS in L4 say hello to hell. | Nov 14 13:17 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: I was more desribing what is going on when its resistance to stopping when it hurd has been unable to resist items crashing. | Nov 14 13:27 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: Yes you can end up in a circile loop of crashing with hurd. | Nov 14 13:27 |
| brendyn | i thought the problem was timing and apps messaging each other? | Nov 14 13:27 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: monolithic kernels like Linux have issue system stops. | Nov 14 13:28 |
| brendyn | cant you just say 'give up after 10 restarts'? | Nov 14 13:28 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: by then do you have the record of what sent it south in the first place. | Nov 14 13:29 |
| brendyn | i dont know | Nov 14 13:29 |
| brendyn | but the bigger concern is infinite loops isnt it? | Nov 14 13:29 |
| MinceR | you can probably tell it to not restart anything | Nov 14 13:29 |
| oiaohm | It is in fact infinite loops and having what started them. | Nov 14 13:30 |
| brendyn | why doesnt my trivial solution work then? | Nov 14 13:30 |
| oiaohm | By 10 restarts if disc io has been out you have no logs. | Nov 14 13:30 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: so effectively you know nothing. | Nov 14 13:31 |
| brendyn | unlucky | Nov 14 13:31 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: first 8 years of hurd development the most common falures were in disc io. | Nov 14 13:31 |
| brendyn | that is a problem regardless isnt it? | Nov 14 13:31 |
| oiaohm | Not that bad for linux that stops straight away and prints the error to screen. | Nov 14 13:32 |
| oiaohm | Developers get good clues where the bad lines of code are. | Nov 14 13:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: is on the right track. The simplest from development point of view don't restart anything. | Nov 14 13:33 |
| oiaohm | Something goes wrong print a message out by what ever means possible. | Nov 14 13:33 |
| MinceR | also, you could log to network or RS-232 | Nov 14 13:36 |
| MinceR | or even line printer :> | Nov 14 13:36 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the most insane is morse code it out by the keyboard leds. | Nov 14 13:37 |
| MinceR | i could think of more insane things | Nov 14 13:37 |
| MinceR | like morse code it out of turning a fan on and off. | Nov 14 13:38 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: but that could be hardware harmful. | Nov 14 13:38 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 14 13:38 |
| MinceR | i didn't say it was a good idea, only that it was insane. | Nov 14 13:38 |
| oiaohm | Ok I should have been more clear. | Nov 14 13:38 |
| oiaohm | Most insane that at least made it into next release Linux patck of patches at some point. | Nov 14 13:39 |
| oiaohm | That is morse code flashing keyboard lights. | Nov 14 13:39 |
| oiaohm | Never made it mainline. | Nov 14 13:39 |
| oiaohm | Has just missed out twice. | Nov 14 13:39 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 14 13:41 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: hurd is funny because the the feature they were attempting to create was the very one that ruined it. | Nov 14 13:45 |
| brendyn | how are they going with that problem today? | Nov 14 13:46 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: problem is the damage is done. | Nov 14 13:46 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: Linux project has ended up with most of the OS core developers. | Nov 14 13:47 |
| brendyn | they are not fixing it | Nov 14 13:47 |
| brendyn | ? | Nov 14 13:47 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: hurd is still developing but its the size of the development team now. | Nov 14 13:47 |
| brendyn | anyway good night | Nov 14 13:50 |
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| Sosumi | the lisbon metro guys are going nuts | Nov 14 14:45 |
| Sosumi | today when everyone is coming out of the buses and going up the stairs | Nov 14 14:45 |
| Sosumi | the first metro departs with no one onboard | Nov 14 14:46 |
| Sosumi | second metro, the guy was constantly accelerating and desaccelerating | Nov 14 14:46 |
| Sosumi | when I reached my destination | Nov 14 14:46 |
| Sosumi | all I wanted was to puke | Nov 14 14:47 |
| Sosumi | seriously :( | Nov 14 14:47 |
| MinceR | here they tend to jerk randomly back and forth before stopping | Nov 14 14:51 |
| MinceR | so you fall over if you aren't sitting | Nov 14 14:51 |
| MinceR | it's like the drivers are having seizures | Nov 14 14:51 |
| Sosumi | lack of professionalism | Nov 14 14:52 |
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| Sosumi | also M$ now as an online visual studio | Nov 14 15:55 |
| Sosumi | they besides wanting your documents also want youre code | Nov 14 15:55 |
| Sosumi | *your | Nov 14 15:55 |
| Sosumi | they also had VS priced out of range | Nov 14 15:56 |
| Sosumi | 16000€ for the complete version | Nov 14 15:56 |
| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/we-still-dont-encrypt-server-to-server-data-admits-microsoft/ | Nov 14 16:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | “We still don’t encrypt server-to-server data,” admits Microsoft | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g1asl ] | Nov 14 16:11 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/markhughes/status/400944088515477504 | Nov 14 16:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @markhughes: @schestowitz good points about Fog/Cloud, #surveillance & @KimDotcom's #MEGA and @ownCloud. Makes me more interested in #askOS .. comments? | Nov 14 16:22 |
| schestowitz | I have no interest in any of them for very private things; I use MEGA for a few things. | Nov 14 16:22 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/400973734862802946 | Nov 14 16:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @gnutelephony: The lesson of #Ubuntu is that once you start trading freedom for popularity you end up with neither. @schestowitz http://t.co/Jz1mqs80qd | Nov 14 16:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> stevenrosenberg.net | Steven Rosenberg : Noted contributer Aaron Toponce says goodbye to Ubuntu, even gives up UBUNTU license plate | Nov 14 16:23 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/realmohan/status/401023154388082688 | Nov 14 16:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @realmohan: @schestowitz so you are the new owner of http://t.co/Fan5hAq3Xh? Congrats. | Nov 14 16:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines | Do you waddle the waddle? | Nov 14 16:28 |
| schestowitz | technically yes, but it's still in migration process. Why? | Nov 14 16:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/markhughes/status/401024525451939840 | Nov 14 16:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @markhughes: @schestowitz @KimDotcom @ownCloud I was meaning: any comments on #askOS? | Nov 14 16:35 |
| schestowitz | I don't know it I'm afraid... | Nov 14 16:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/realmohan/status/401024742909411328 | Nov 14 16:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @realmohan: @schestowitz I was just following the whole auction off the website. I being going there for news for many years. | Nov 14 16:35 |
| schestowitz | So have I, and now I can contribute | Nov 14 16:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/markhughes/status/401027534290436096 | Nov 14 16:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @markhughes: @schestowitz @KimDotcom @ownCloud it's still in alpha, seeking crowdsourced funding, #FOSS, plug n play selfhost #Linux server | Nov 14 16:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/markhughes/status/401027687516766208 | Nov 14 16:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @markhughes: @schestowitz @KimDotcom @ownCloud all on github right now | Nov 14 16:48 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3287952 | Nov 14 16:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @linux@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft Has Taken Over Mono Development, With Miguel de Icaza’s Consent http://techrights.org/2013/11/14/microsoft-has-abducted-mono/ | Nov 14 16:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Microsoft Has Taken Over Mono Development, With Miguel de Icaza’s Consent | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g1b4b ] | Nov 14 16:49 |
| schestowitz | 'Meh. They've just made it more publicly visible. It was their project from the start." | Nov 14 16:49 |
| schestowitz | yang: hi | Nov 14 17:03 |
| schestowitz | yes, I write them | Nov 14 17:03 |
| schestowitz | You have a new follower on Twitter. " | Nov 14 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Bram van der Kolk | Nov 14 17:04 |
| schestowitz | @bramosnl | Nov 14 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Programmer of @MegaPrivacy | Nov 14 17:04 |
| schestowitz | New Zealand · https://www.mega.co.nz | Nov 14 17:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.mega.co.nz | MEGA | Nov 14 17:04 |
| iophk | When is Mega going to get proper (secure) client software? The stuff they have doesn't cut it. | Nov 14 17:05 |
| iophk | Last I checked. | Nov 14 17:05 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itworld.com/operating-systems/382610/suse-linux-enterprise-expands-regular-support-10-years | Nov 14 17:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itworld.com | Suse Linux Enterprise expands regular support to 10 years | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/g1b9q ] | Nov 14 17:06 |
| schestowitz | meh | Nov 14 17:06 |
| iophk | http://gigaom.com/2013/11/14/google-wins-book-scanning-case-judge-finds-fair-use-cites-many-benefits/ | Nov 14 17:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | gigaom.com | Google wins book-scanning case: judge finds “fair use,” cites many benefits — Tech News and Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/g1baz ] | Nov 14 17:12 |
| yang | nice schestowitz | Nov 14 17:12 |
| schestowitz | ty | Nov 14 17:13 |
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| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/google-books-ruled-legal-in-massive-win-for-fair-use/ | Nov 14 17:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Google Books ruled legal in massive win for fair use | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g1bdg ] | Nov 14 17:22 |
| iophk | It will be interesting to see if the new magazine is an improvement. | Nov 14 17:26 |
| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/nov/13/linux-format-staff-who-quit-plan-to-launch-rival-linux-voice | Nov 14 17:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Linux Format staff who quit plan to launch rival Linux Voice | Media | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/g1beq ] | Nov 14 17:26 |
| Sosumi | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/11/14/1745251/drm-to-be-used-in-renault-electric-cars?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter | Nov 14 17:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | hardware.slashdot.org | DRM To Be Used In Renault Electric Cars - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/g1bla ] | Nov 14 17:52 |
| Sosumi | also read the leaked Trans Pacific Partnership leaked document | Nov 14 17:53 |
| Sosumi | which shows exactly who is in charge | Nov 14 17:53 |
| Sosumi | the coporatocacy | Nov 14 17:54 |
| Sosumi | which makes me fear of what'll be put in the "free-exploitation treaty" between the EU and the US | Nov 14 17:54 |
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| sebsebseb | ping iophk | Nov 14 18:06 |
| iophk | pong sebsebseb | Nov 14 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I need some help here I think | Nov 14 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: as expected, they didn't like the proposal I put in the document | Nov 14 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | since it was like, this or that | Nov 14 18:06 |
| iophk | printed document? | Nov 14 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | wan't really specific | Nov 14 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: a emaled documet for proposals | Nov 14 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | they want something more specific | Nov 14 18:07 |
| iophk | specific is good, usually | Nov 14 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they didn't like what I put though | Nov 14 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | they don't like the or's | Nov 14 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | and maybe's and such | Nov 14 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so I need something more specific | Nov 14 18:07 |
| iophk | ok. Then make a more concrete proposal. | Nov 14 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I also find it a bit hard how to add in this document | Nov 14 18:07 |
| iophk | Start a new version. | Nov 14 18:08 |
| sebsebseb | yeah they wat a more concreate proposal exactly | Nov 14 18:08 |
| sebsebseb | or proposals | Nov 14 18:08 |
| iophk | tazer duel? | Nov 14 18:08 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and then a new propals gets a new number | Nov 14 18:08 |
| iophk | Are you choosing DEs? | Nov 14 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | if it's an ammendment it goes in a sub paragaph with a letter | Nov 14 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well this is proposals for both distros and interfaces | Nov 14 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | I'll show you the thing | Nov 14 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | on pastebin | Nov 14 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | when I put something there | Nov 14 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | Senator Sanders, I would like you to know how proud I am of what you're doing in the Senate. Please keep up the good work. If the Democratic Party ever gives you an award, it will be like giving the Hans Solo award to the Rebel Alliance. | Nov 14 18:14 |
| iophk | sebsebseb: keep the DE proposal separate. It's a separate topic. | Nov 14 18:16 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I already bee through this | Nov 14 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: that's not how they are doing things | Nov 14 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and ths is how they are doing things: http://pastebin.com/QV2diq27http://pastebin.com/QV2diq27 | Nov 14 18:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ( status 404 @ http://pastebin.com/QV2diq27http://pastebin.com/QV2diq27 ) | Nov 14 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | http://pastebin.com/QV2diq27 | Nov 14 18:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | pastebin.com | I have been away for a few days. On 13/11/13 08:31, Chris wrote: > Sebastian - Pastebin.com | Nov 14 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | and it's got what I put in for proposal stuff there to | Nov 14 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | ,but they want something more concreate etc | Nov 14 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | so what am I meant too put as a propsal, or as my propsals, more than one? | Nov 14 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: it's a DE's and distros votes | Nov 14 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | with them going together | Nov 14 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | nothing I can do about that | Nov 14 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | this is how they want too do it | Nov 14 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | see the pastebin | Nov 14 18:19 |
| iophk | What does he mean by "limited event" ? | Nov 14 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: limited event as in very basic event | Nov 14 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | hardly any OS's etc | Nov 14 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | Mint and that's about it or it | Nov 14 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | 1 or 2 distro's | Nov 14 18:21 |
| iophk | I didn't see a clarification there by what he means by limitedevent. What were his words. | Nov 14 18:22 |
| iophk | ? | Nov 14 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: that's from the email | Nov 14 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | he just means a basic event like I just described | Nov 14 18:22 |
| iophk | Does he clarify that in another mail? | Nov 14 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | I put the emai there, an the actsal document below that | Nov 14 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and he thinks I mean general event, as in lots and lots of options, but that's not quite what I meant | Nov 14 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | I just meant some choice | Nov 14 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | ,but that's not the point, I have too do a proposal "their" way | Nov 14 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | rather than "my" way | Nov 14 18:23 |
| iophk | So there are 4 staff and 4 demo computers? | Nov 14 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | or apparnatlly my stuff won't even be voted on | Nov 14 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: he wants 2 or 3 OS's maybe 3 | Nov 14 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: in fact you can see what he wants in the proposals in that pastebin too | Nov 14 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | it doesn't matte if there will only be four or eight demonstratio computers now | Nov 14 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | ,because the idea is to pick distros and interfaces on Tuesday, do the vote | Nov 14 18:24 |
| iophk | I don't see much there. The 1.-5a does not give much guidance on what he really wants. | Nov 14 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | well it's a propals | Nov 14 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | to be voted on on TUesdy | Nov 14 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | do demonstraton's from USB's | Nov 14 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | and have five minutes to propse an idea | Nov 14 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | and then do a vote | Nov 14 18:25 |
| iophk | Sounds like amess. The HD should be used. | Nov 14 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't agree wit things being done like this really | Nov 14 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I got no choice now, but too go along with it, it seems | Nov 14 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | it might just be a Mint and Open SUse event, it might be something else | Nov 14 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | ,but at leaset once Tuesday is over | Nov 14 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | welll that's that, won't have to think about this as such anymore | Nov 14 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they just want me too put in a basic propsa in the document | Nov 14 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | I have tried being inclusive of everything, and general | Nov 14 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | ,but nope they want something more distro specific etc | Nov 14 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | they want me to make more distro specific propoals | Nov 14 18:27 |
| iophk | Mint and Suse are bad choices, for the reasons I gave before. | Nov 14 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | ok | Nov 14 18:27 |
| iophk | Make a specific proposal for Mageia and Ubuntu? | Nov 14 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | so what should I put as a proposal do you think? | Nov 14 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well I can do more than one proposal as well | Nov 14 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yes that would be one idea | Nov 14 18:27 |
| iophk | Yes. Good idea. | Nov 14 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | I shoudn't do to many proposals, but around 3 should be alright | Nov 14 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: also I can't say Cinnamon and maybe Mate too | Nov 14 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Nov 14 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | they want me to be speciic on a interface | Nov 14 18:28 |
| iophk | XFCE, KDE and Unity. | Nov 14 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | in what distros? | Nov 14 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | is it item to axe Open SUse | Nov 14 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | from mypropas stuf | Nov 14 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | forget about it? | Nov 14 18:29 |
| iophk | The first two on mageia and the latter on Ubuntu | Nov 14 18:29 |
| sebsebseb | not even etion Open SUSE in my propoals? | Nov 14 18:29 |
| sebsebseb | or shuld I propse Mageia to be used for GOE | Nov 14 18:29 |
| iophk | No, not if you don't want it. | Nov 14 18:29 |
| iophk | Yes propose mageia | Nov 14 18:29 |
| sebsebseb | looks like Open Suse may get KDE, but I hae a chance to get GNOME in Mageia | Nov 14 18:29 |
| iophk | XFCE is more appropriate for end-users. | Nov 14 18:29 |
| iophk | GNOME is over. | Nov 14 18:29 |
| iophk | They're losing a chance to demo the different DEs | Nov 14 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | what propals do you think I should put? | Nov 14 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | and in the way they did theirs in that document | Nov 14 18:30 |
| iophk | Yes copy the style. | Nov 14 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yes the style like that | Nov 14 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Nov 14 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | what should I put as my proposals do you think? | Nov 14 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | Mint for Cinnamon, Mageia for GNOME and KDE, Ubuntu for Unity | Nov 14 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | ?????????????? | Nov 14 18:32 |
| iophk | sounds good | Nov 14 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | not sure if I can do and like that though hmm | Nov 14 18:33 |
| iophk | Though GNOME and Cinnamon are not so good | Nov 14 18:33 |
| iophk | I'd say XFCE instead of one of them. But I've said that already. | Nov 14 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | Mint for Cinnamon, Mageia for GNOME, Ubuntu for Unity | Nov 14 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | Mint for Cinnamon, Magiea for KDE, Ubuntu for Unity | Nov 14 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: thing is | Nov 14 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | if we agree on only 2 OS's | Nov 14 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | proposals that have 3, are out | Nov 14 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | won't get voted on | Nov 14 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so if they agree on 2 distro's and my propsals are for 3 uh | Nov 14 18:34 |
| iophk | yes but mint is redundant with Ubuntu | Nov 14 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | I think Mint is in | Nov 14 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | bfore this stuf has even been properly voted on | Nov 14 18:35 |
| iophk | you could have Cinnamon on Ubuntu, it's there in the Ubuntu repository | Nov 14 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | I think Open Suse is probaby in to, or for KDE ayway | Nov 14 18:36 |
| iophk | KDE for Mageia | Nov 14 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | no Ubuntu live sesison of Cinnamo though I think? | Nov 14 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | remember need Lie sessions for these distro's to, since the whole live session remater idea | Nov 14 18:36 |
| iophk | no need for live if you have access to the HD | Nov 14 18:36 |
| iophk | I'd walk | Nov 14 18:36 |
| iophk | remasters are also a *BIG* waste of time. It won't help the visitors who later decide to download something and try it out. | Nov 14 18:36 |
| MinceR | any distro should suffice to run any non-Unity DE | Nov 14 18:37 |
| iophk | There's *no* value added | Nov 14 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | yes already been through that a few or more times but they are in and that's that | Nov 14 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | they are going with remasters | Nov 14 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | I can't change that decisiosn | Nov 14 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I may have to make new Magiea re masters before Tuesday to | Nov 14 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | unless he does for me.... | Nov 14 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | ,but they are trying to get a rather delayed Mageia 4 Beta 1 out at the moment | Nov 14 18:37 |
| iophk | ok | Nov 14 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | many test ISO's there have been, because it does the new installer stuff etc | Nov 14 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | there wre bugs to fix etc | Nov 14 18:38 |
| MinceR | debian has gnome, kde, lxde and xfce live images already | Nov 14 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: ok, but Debian itself isn't one of the proposed distros for the event | Nov 14 18:38 |
| iophk | Debian would be good for all | Nov 14 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well it's not in | Nov 14 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | neither is PC Linux OS | Nov 14 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | that has a XFCE Live CD | Nov 14 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | and uh | Nov 14 18:40 |
| iophk | Will you still have the Mageia discs to hand out? | Nov 14 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: the things that are propsed have been propsed | Nov 14 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | I Mean we got hte ditros an interfaces | Nov 14 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | just got to do a proper propals in that document | Nov 14 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | then vote on Tuesday | Nov 14 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't know | Nov 14 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: what I was thinking is could put htem on a table some where or somethig surely | Nov 14 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | even if it's ot one of the distros' that is from the remasters | Nov 14 18:40 |
| iophk | That would work | Nov 14 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | same with Fedora | Nov 14 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | have a swag table smoe whre | Nov 14 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | free this and that | Nov 14 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | can even put in some support info for Fedora | Nov 14 18:41 |
| iophk | Better to hand out swag one at a time. | Nov 14 18:41 |
| iophk | That way it gets doled out a little at a time. | Nov 14 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | when they gone through whatever | Nov 14 18:41 |
| iophk | Gets people to come over and talk. | Nov 14 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | seeing demo pc's and getting remasetrs | Nov 14 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | they could get other stuff to I am thinking | Nov 14 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | the remaseterd USB's could be on such a table to | Nov 14 18:41 |
| iophk | Swag is used to "buy" face time. | Nov 14 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think this event isn't quite going to be how I want it | Nov 14 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | probably not really how I want it at all | Nov 14 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ,but I still have a chance to get Magiea in there proerly | Nov 14 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | if I can do the propsal prperly | Nov 14 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | for that document | Nov 14 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | so what do you think I should put exactly? | Nov 14 18:42 |
| iophk | I'm not bureaucratic at all. | Nov 14 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | face time? talking time? | Nov 14 18:42 |
| iophk | yes talking time | Nov 14 18:42 |
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| iophk | you want them to come over and at least say hi to get the swag | Nov 14 18:43 |
| iophk | otherwise it just walks | Nov 14 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | yep true | Nov 14 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | it's not really been talked about much | Nov 14 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | yet | Nov 14 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | a table if at all as such really, but it's a good idea | Nov 14 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: older guy is also worrying about time | Nov 14 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | how long we will have with a paticar person etc | Nov 14 18:43 |
| iophk | that gets sorted on its own | Nov 14 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I propose that Mageia is used to at least show GNOME | Nov 14 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | maybe I should put that | Nov 14 18:44 |
| iophk | yes | Nov 14 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | I don't really care that much about the rest | Nov 14 18:44 |
| iophk | if you really worry about GNOME. But it's over as a DE | Nov 14 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I could put also this though: I propose Mageia is used to show KDE | Nov 14 18:44 |
| iophk | XFCE is getting a lot of buzz | Nov 14 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | I have two then | Nov 14 18:44 |
| iophk | yes KDE | Nov 14 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | I propse we have three or four distro's and the cut downversion | Nov 14 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: at the end of the day I don't care about Mint or Ubuntu | Nov 14 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | if Cinnamon is used in that uhmm right | Nov 14 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | shown | Nov 14 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | if Unity is shown in Ubuntu uhmm right | Nov 14 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ,but what I want is Mageia | Nov 14 18:45 |
| iophk | They're about the same, but Ubuntu has Unity andMint doesn't | Nov 14 18:45 |
| iophk | I can't make a remaster. | Nov 14 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they want a basic proposal | Nov 14 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | maybe it's time to not propose | Nov 14 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu or OPen Suse | Nov 14 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | even if I kind of want Ubuntu as well realy for Unityl | Nov 14 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't want to propse say 3 OS's, and then it becoming say, Mint, Open Suse, and Ubuntu, kicking Mageia out | Nov 14 18:47 |
| iophk | Then propose Mageia | Nov 14 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | maybe I should propse this: I propose that Open SUse is used for the cut down distro, but nothing else | Nov 14 18:47 |
| iophk | Mageia+ Ubuntu | Nov 14 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | and the cut down distro? | Nov 14 18:47 |
| iophk | That's a compromise that allows to use Suse | Nov 14 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | yeah exactly | Nov 14 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | unless I am more specific | Nov 14 18:48 |
| iophk | XFCE+KDE on Mageia, Cinnamon and Unity on Ubuntu and ?? on cut-down Suse | Nov 14 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe I just propose how I wnat Maeia to be used | Nov 14 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | and then whatever happes, happens | Nov 14 18:48 |
| iophk | yes | Nov 14 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | whatver happens with the other optoins | Nov 14 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | I propose having three OS',s plus the cut down. KDE and GNOME for Mageia, Mint for Cinnamon, Unity for Ubuntu, and something for a cut down distro | Nov 14 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | or I am more specific | Nov 14 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | and say it's Chris's cut dow distro | Nov 14 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | let him make his thing | Nov 14 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | for the cut down | Nov 14 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | Open Suse guy | Nov 14 18:51 |
| iophk | http://www.itwire.com/it-policy-news/regulation/62287-choice-weighs-in-on-tpp-copyright-debate | Nov 14 18:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itwire.com | CHOICE weighs in on TPP copyright debate [ http://ur1.ca/g1bzm ] | Nov 14 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | I propose having two distro's, plus a cut down version that Chris is responsible for, with GNOME and KDE being shown in Mageia, and Mint for Cinnaom, Unity for Ubuntu | Nov 14 18:52 |
| iophk | +1 | Nov 14 18:52 |
| iophk | http://www.itwire.com/it-policy-news/govenrment-tech-policy/62277-tpp-leak-reveals-australian-government-secrets | Nov 14 18:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itwire.com | TPP leak reveals Australian government secrets [ http://ur1.ca/g18kr ] | Nov 14 18:52 |
| MinceR | suse is especially a waste of resources | Nov 14 18:54 |
| iophk | It would set visitors on the wrong path. | Nov 14 18:56 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 14 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: MinceR no you two are anti Open SUse | Nov 14 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | the visiors to our eent won't know about the link to MS etc | Nov 14 19:02 |
| iophk | of course | Nov 14 19:02 |
| iophk | one learns over time | Nov 14 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | Open Suse is still better than running WIindows right? | Nov 14 19:02 |
| iophk | they won't know and it's the staff job to protect them | Nov 14 19:02 |
| iophk | false dichotomy | Nov 14 19:02 |
| iophk | there are better distros | Nov 14 19:02 |
| iophk | nearly all of them are better | Nov 14 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | the staff, even staff? | Nov 14 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | uh, but one of them has used SUSE for like over 10 years | Nov 14 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | event staff above | Nov 14 19:03 |
| iophk | he needs to get with the times | Nov 14 19:03 |
| iophk | things change | Nov 14 19:03 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: yes, i'm pro-free software | Nov 14 19:03 |
| iophk | his distro has changed | Nov 14 19:03 |
| MinceR | and suse is anti-free software | Nov 14 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | Suse is a bit like Fedora | Nov 14 19:03 |
| iophk | worse, it's anti-free masquerading as free | Nov 14 19:03 |
| MinceR | and the point is that they get users when the users don't know what they're getting into | Nov 14 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | it's a comuniity distro realy | Nov 14 19:04 |
| iophk | fedora is Free | Nov 14 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | ,but with big players behind it | Nov 14 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | commericla players | Nov 14 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | money | Nov 14 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | non volunteers | Nov 14 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | etc | Nov 14 19:04 |
| iophk | and patent traps and M$ products... | Nov 14 19:06 |
| MinceR | and low quality | Nov 14 19:08 |
| MinceR | users might get a bad first impression with suse and ubuntu | Nov 14 19:09 |
| iophk | Suse let the community down and turned on it, big time. | Nov 14 19:10 |
| iophk | Ubuntu looks like it might be doing the same. It has certainly not done well with privacy issues of late. | Nov 14 19:11 |
| iophk | There there was mono, but thankfully they have recovered. | Nov 14 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | jono: is here to defend your comment maybe :D ^ | Nov 14 19:11 |
| iophk | I've already said Unity is worth a try. | Nov 14 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Mageia and Ubuntu? | Nov 14 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | ike we discussed a few times | Nov 14 19:12 |
| iophk | yes | Nov 14 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | I can do a few propolsals :d | Nov 14 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia and MInt I could do as one to etc | Nov 14 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: altough I just got kind of recommended agaisnt GNOME in Mageia, since there's two programs that are resonsie for Intenret | Nov 14 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: network manager, and drakconnect, and they can conflict, and I had my own issues with htat | Nov 14 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | for KDE it's good though stil | Nov 14 19:13 |
| iophk | last I checked, Mint still had to be cleaned for mono. The remaster can do that. | Nov 14 19:16 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: oh I don't think the guy making the Mint remaster, cares much about Mono | Nov 14 19:18 |
| iophk | Then he won't mind removing it and replacing the one mono app with a superior alternative. | Nov 14 19:18 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: no I meant he woudn't care that it's in thr if it is | Nov 14 19:19 |
| iophk | then no mint | Nov 14 19:19 |
| iophk | it's not worth polluting machines | Nov 14 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Open Suse is in for KDE probaby | Nov 14 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | and Mint is in for Cinnamon probably | Nov 14 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu and Mageia ar probably both out | Nov 14 19:19 |
| iophk | Did you ever read this: | Nov 14 19:19 |
| iophk | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061221081000710 | Nov 14 19:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.groklaw.net | Groklaw - Jeremy Allison Has Resigned from Novell to Protest MS Patent Deal [ http://ur1.ca/ffk3u ] | Nov 14 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I can try and proposals in their way, but I think Mageia is out | Nov 14 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | and probably Ubuntu to | Nov 14 19:20 |
| iophk | We'll you've convinced me that Mageia and Ubuntu are the best choices. | Nov 14 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: here'swhat someon said to me a little while ago to do with this: He seems set in his choices, sometimes you just have to get behind the idea and put any personal agenda 2nd. I think | Nov 14 19:20 |
| iophk | http://techrights.org/category/opensuse/ | Nov 14 19:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | OpenSUSE | Techrights | Nov 14 19:21 |
| MinceR | defending the community from the m$ patent trap is not a personal agenda, though | Nov 14 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: right, but you didn't like Open Suse anyway, and hes's been convivnced/influenced that Open Suse is a good choice and for KDE | Nov 14 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: no that was in response to, wat should I propose etc | Nov 14 19:22 |
| MinceR | others are convinced of "windows uber alles" or "macos uber alles". why do you care? | Nov 14 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I don't think these guys care much about stuff like that, they want to put codecs and Flash and Skype into the remasters | Nov 14 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | and Jitsi though as well since Open Suse supporter suggested it | Nov 14 19:22 |
| MinceR | that's bad enough | Nov 14 19:23 |
| MinceR | especially with skype | Nov 14 19:23 |
| iophk | besides Skype for linux is not going to be continued, in all likelihood. | Nov 14 19:23 |
| iophk | The new owner is not exactly supportive of other platforms than its own. Even then the support for their own is not great. | Nov 14 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well Microsoft did gie it a bit of an update, once they bought Skype out, altough I think that was many to put in the MS stuff | Nov 14 19:24 |
| MinceR | also, skype was never trustworthy from a security standpoint | Nov 14 19:24 |
| iophk | huge holes | Nov 14 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | spying | Nov 14 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | as well | Nov 14 19:25 |
| MinceR | bad design from the ground up | Nov 14 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they don't care about doing instal rwith local repo's, haing people understanidn how a pakage manager work | Nov 14 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: MinceR I think they just want to treat them like conumers at this eent, who don't realy unerstand stuffl | Nov 14 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | here you go | Nov 14 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | here's our alterantive | Nov 14 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | our produc,t go try this, come back for an install if you want, have fun | Nov 14 19:26 |
| MinceR | they won't see the best the platform has to offer | Nov 14 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: iophk this is a Mint and Open Suse, event already I think | Nov 14 19:27 |
| iophk | At least get the mono off of Mint | Nov 14 19:27 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: iophk apparatly there is a chance for other distro's such as Mageia and Ubunu though, but not a fair chance it seems, and far fraom a fair chance it seems | Nov 14 19:27 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Mono is yeah hmm, but Banshee is nice | Nov 14 19:28 |
| iophk | slow and crashy | Nov 14 19:28 |
| iophk | lots of problems | Nov 14 19:28 |
| iophk | Clementine is nicer all around | Nov 14 19:28 |
| sebsebseb | that' QT | Nov 14 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | app | Nov 14 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah I ike Clementine myself quite a bit | Nov 14 19:29 |
| iophk | Rhythmbox then | Nov 14 19:29 |
| iophk | that's what most distros seem to use | Nov 14 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: if I can put in proper proposals in their stye for that document | Nov 14 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia has a chance, or well appanratly | Nov 14 19:29 |
| iophk | yes give Mageia its chance | Nov 14 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: right yeah | Nov 14 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: but how? | Nov 14 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | what should I put as my proposals to give it a fair good chance? | Nov 14 19:32 |
| iophk | two distros, Mageia and Ubuntu, three DEs, XFCE, KDE and Unity. Four DEs if you must | Nov 14 19:34 |
| iophk | Give people a choice and a real demo of the options. | Nov 14 19:35 |
| sebsebseb | right ,but eeds to be mre pecific | Nov 14 19:35 |
| sebsebseb | a distro an interface, must go together | Nov 14 19:35 |
| iophk | Mageia: XFCE, KDE | Nov 14 19:35 |
| iophk | Ubuntu: Unity | Nov 14 19:35 |
| iophk | Those three give a wide variety. | Nov 14 19:36 |
| iophk | just by themselves. | Nov 14 19:36 |
| iophk | None is like the other. | Nov 14 19:36 |
| iophk | And they're all mainstream. | Nov 14 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: hmm | Nov 14 19:50 |
| sebsebseb | I still think Open Suse is goin to win KDE uh | Nov 14 19:50 |
| iophk | are you going to try for Mageia? | Nov 14 19:51 |
| sebsebseb | of course ;) | Nov 14 19:51 |
| iophk | good :) | Nov 14 19:51 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: type me some proposals? | Nov 14 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | in their style? | Nov 14 19:58 |
| iophk | The pastebin is gone. | Nov 14 19:59 |
| iophk | Their style was vague | Nov 14 20:00 |
| iophk | and unclear | Nov 14 20:00 |
| iophk | how would you propose Mageia with KDE, Mageia with XFCE, and Ubuntu with Unity? | Nov 14 20:02 |
| iophk | Wouldn't it be one line? | Nov 14 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah that pastebin was set to expire after an hour | Nov 14 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: got another one here: http://pastebin.com/2vEfVavp | Nov 14 20:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | pastebin.com | I have been away for a few days. On 13/11/13 08:31, Chris w - Pastebin.com | Nov 14 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: exactly the style is a bit unclear | Nov 14 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | or is it? | Nov 14 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | no mention of GNOME or Mageia | Nov 14 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | as intended by the it seems | Nov 14 20:04 |
| iophk | Do you mean 1. 2. and 3. etc are separate proposals? | Nov 14 20:04 |
| iophk | Proposal 4 would cover what you want. | Nov 14 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | yes they are sepreate proposals | Nov 14 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: PH and DF are two differnet peopel | Nov 14 20:05 |
| iophk | Right but 4 needs to be filled in. | Nov 14 20:06 |
| iophk | Number 2 also meets your needs | Nov 14 20:07 |
| iophk | Ally with them | Nov 14 20:07 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: what do I put then? | Nov 14 20:08 |
| iophk | Something short. | Nov 14 20:09 |
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| MinceR | gn | Nov 14 22:58 |
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| Odinx | hi | Nov 15 01:49 |
| Odinx | hi | Nov 15 02:29 |
| Odinx | Roy??????? | Nov 15 02:40 |
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| Snowleaksange | hello | Nov 15 03:10 |
| Odinx | hello Snowleaksange | Nov 15 03:19 |
| Snowleaksange | welcome Odinx | Nov 15 03:22 |
| Odinx | im new to this linux thing | Nov 15 03:25 |
| Odinx | can i install it if im running win8? | Nov 15 03:25 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286139 | Nov 15 03:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: With trillions in revenue&government (taxpayers') subsidies extracted from growing ntl' debt, corporations won't pay http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/19975-the-time-has-come-for-15-minimum-wage | Nov 15 03:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> truth-out.org | The Time Has Come for $15 Minimum Wage [ http://ur1.ca/g1g2r ] | Nov 15 03:28 |
| schestowitz | "In a system based on exploitation, any attempted solution that remains wholly within the bounds of that system will be exploitative as well. Raising the minimum wage to $15 would mean that instead of 2.9% of America making minimum wage, it would now be 45%. If you think that companies will give their employees raises to keep them up above the new minimum wage, then I've got a bridge to sell you. How long do you think it would take the | Nov 15 03:29 |
| schestowitz | corporations to raise their prices until those making the new minimum wage would have the same standard of "living" that minimum wage earners now try to make due with? But now instead of 2.9% you're looking at 45% trying to hustle to scrape by. Just as food stamps have become another type of corporate welfare, increasing the minimum wage would result in a massive transfer of wealth from the poorest to the richest." | Nov 15 03:29 |
| schestowitz | Interesting if true... counterintuitive.. | Nov 15 03:29 |
| schestowitz | [19:23] <iophk> besides Skype for linux is not going to be continued, in all likelihood. | Nov 15 03:33 |
| schestowitz | Esp. not after eveyone found out that the NSA is in it for the snoops and MS is in it perhaps for the NSA | Nov 15 03:33 |
| schestowitz | Odinx: hi | Nov 15 03:33 |
| schestowitz | [02:40] <Odinx> Roy??????? | Nov 15 03:34 |
| schestowitz | Do we know each other? | Nov 15 03:34 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3289719 | Nov 15 03:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Brightness Settings Completely Broken in Ubuntu 13.10 http://news.softpedia.com/news/Brightness-Settings-Completely-Broken-in-Ubuntu-13-10-399773.shtml so maybe Amazon won't be able to look at what you search for... | Nov 15 03:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | Brightness Settings Completely Broken in Ubuntu 13.10 [ http://ur1.ca/g1g3w ] | Nov 15 03:35 |
| schestowitz | "perhaps people can use Calise if they have a webcam" | Nov 15 03:35 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3289688 | Nov 15 03:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Nokia Under #Elop - His 3 Years: Performance Review - Worst CEO of All Time - All the Facts - In Pictures http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/11/nokia-under-elop-his-3-years-performance-review-worst-ceo-of-all-time-all-the-facts-in-pictures.html | Nov 15 03:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Nokia Under Elop - His 3 Years: Performance Review - Worst CEO of All Time - All the Facts - In Pictures [ http://ur1.ca/g182w ] | Nov 15 03:36 |
| schestowitz | "Hope Elop gets selected as the new Microsoft CEO. Keep doing the good job!" | Nov 15 03:36 |
| Odinx | schestowitz: yes | Nov 15 03:40 |
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| schestowitz | I temember the nick | Nov 15 03:53 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3289613 | Nov 15 03:53 |
| schestowitz | "FTL is truly a thing of beauty. Difficult but endlessly re-playable. Simple but deep. It has occupied many of my waking hours." | Nov 15 03:53 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285234 | Nov 15 03:53 |
| schestowitz | "I do think though that most people don't get that often the danger isn't someone sitting inbetween the server and the user sucking off data, but the NSA getting the data straight from the service provider themselves. Still, this is a fantastic first step. The next is getting quality freedom and privacy respecting web services. The step beyond that is self hosting for everyone." | Nov 15 03:53 |
| schestowitz | "Ok, maybe no everyone, but at least the people where laws around search and seizure in homes still mean anything.' | Nov 15 03:53 |
| schestowitz | BT has been using DPI while sucking up data, along with former employees (Phorm). I think that BT has been integral and instrumental in the GCHQ's (NSA's) work, but we haven't scratched the surface just yet | Nov 15 03:53 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285942 | Nov 15 03:53 |
| schestowitz | "Like... I guess. Is CM still a force for good?" | Nov 15 03:53 |
| schestowitz | No less than Google | Nov 15 03:53 |
| schestowitz | Google could use some competition; it usually helps us, the users. | Nov 15 03:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4SqDx1vi4c | Nov 15 03:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux Games: Faster Than Light http://linuxaria.com/pills/linux-games-faster-than-light?lang=en | Nov 15 03:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> linuxaria.com | » Linuxaria – Everything about GNU/Linux and Open source Linux Games: Faster Than Light [ http://ur1.ca/g1g6p ] | Nov 15 03:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Snowden’s legacy: The open web could soon be encrypted by default http://gigaom.com/2013/11/13/snowdens-legacy-the-open-web-could-soon-be-encrypted-by-default/ #snowden #nsa #internet | Nov 15 03:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> gigaom.com | Snowden’s legacy: The open web could soon be encrypted by default — Tech News and Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/g15jz ] | Nov 15 03:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: CyanogenMod publishes new Installer app on Google Play http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/cyanogenmod-publishes-installer-app-on-google-play/ #linux #CyanogenMod #android | Nov 15 03:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | CyanogenMod publishes new Installer app on Google Play | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g171j ] | Nov 15 03:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Grateful Dead - Box of Rain (Studio Version) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g1g6s ] | Nov 15 03:53 |
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| Odinx | schestowitz: I have a question for you from ViolentJ | Nov 15 04:03 |
| Odinx | schestowitz: "How do magnets work?" | Nov 15 04:05 |
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| DaemonFC | I was over at a friend's house today. | Nov 15 06:56 |
| DaemonFC | Kind of hoping there's more there. He's really nice. | Nov 15 06:56 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't even been on a date in nearly six years. It seems like a disaster every time I get involved with someone. I just needed a lot of time to recover from the last one. It was a real mess. | Nov 15 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I don't know what it is about humans. Fascinating creatures, they are. | Nov 15 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 06:58 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 15 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | and by fascinating, I mean usually horrifying | Nov 15 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | keep your fingers crossed for me | Nov 15 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1395959_10151790639228581_1513547701_n.jpg | Nov 15 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | The car always starts. The bath water never gets cold. The pillows stay cool all night. Your laundry stays clean and smelling like a Hawaiian breeze no matter how many times you've worn it. Your hair permanently stays exactly like you want it. You get a surprise notice from the landlord that the rent is going down next year. Comcast error in your favor: billing stops and service stays on. The coffee maker never overflows onto your counter top | Nov 15 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | The cat learns to scoop his own box. If the third box is too late to help you, you find that your exes have all spontaneously combusted and everything will work out fine next time. Your parents call and apologize for everything. | Nov 15 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1393712_10151994395874255_1191862260_n.jpg | Nov 15 07:34 |
| MinceR | how can i "steal" the "wi-fi" if it requires no password? | Nov 15 07:35 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: You steal their modem and router. | Nov 15 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | While you're committing petty theft anyway, you may as well make it grand larceny and get the computer, TV, jewelry, and anything else that looks valuable on the resale market. | Nov 15 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Then you steal a car, and then you steal a woman's handbag, and then you shoot a policeman, and take his helmet, then you use the toilet in his helmet, and send it to his grieving widow, and then you steal it again! | Nov 15 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer Their goal is to get everyone running the latest version. Sooner or later, the classic desktop will be removed and they will get to decide what software users are allowed to run. They'll say it's for "security" reasons, like Apple does, but it will really be to siphon 30% of a developer's gross income (which will get passed on to customers), and prevent users from running software which bypasses Digital Restrictions Malware (like | Nov 15 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | Daemon Tools). They would also like to stop you from using any software that competes with a Microsoft product. The European Union might force them to release a special edition that allows competing software in the store, but it will only be for European customers. Eventually, Windows XP, Vista, and 7 will be unsupported, and they will remove the ability to disable Restricted Boot. Of course, this is their wishlist. If enough people rejected | Nov 15 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft now, they'd never get away with it. | Nov 15 08:07 |
| *DaemonFC on Windows 8 | Nov 15 08:07 | |
| DaemonFC | My friend had an "issue" and the entire file system got hosed and Windows 8 wouldn't reboot, and I tried my best to recover it, but it fought me at every step. | Nov 15 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | It looked like the hard disk was crashing. | Nov 15 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | The bad sectors were largely grouped together. | Nov 15 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | I've been preaching Fedora of course. | Nov 15 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | when he gets a new hard disk. | Nov 15 08:09 |
| DaemonFC | He saw my system the other day while I was downloading shit to try to get his laptop working again, long enough to back up anything that survived. | Nov 15 08:09 |
| DaemonFC | But the file system was too far gone to mount or repair. | Nov 15 08:09 |
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| *brendyn makes some backups after reading that story | Nov 15 08:19 | |
| DaemonFC | I told him that Fedora would have forwarded the SMART error messages to the desktop's notification system. | Nov 15 08:21 |
| DaemonFC | It alerted me to a hard disk that was failing. | Nov 15 08:22 |
| DaemonFC | I backed it up. A little while after the backup was done, the disk failed. | Nov 15 08:22 |
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| iophk1 | http://www.cio.com/article/743211/How_to_Run_Your_Small_Business_With_Free_Open_Source_Software | Nov 15 08:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cio.com | How to Run Your Small Business With Free Open Source Software - CIO.com [ http://ur1.ca/g1hl4 ] | Nov 15 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | I like Fedora. It's all I use now. I switched back over from Kubuntu a couple of years ago. | Nov 15 08:25 |
| DaemonFC | Their earlier releases had a reputation for being buggy. Right now I am using Fedora 20 Beta, and have been using it since the Alpha without problems. | Nov 15 08:26 |
| DaemonFC | I seriously have not ran into a single bug. | Nov 15 08:26 |
| DaemonFC | I'm back on KDE too. | Nov 15 08:26 |
| DaemonFC | 4.11.3 is good | Nov 15 08:26 |
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| iophk | http://www.itworld.com/open-source/382809/best-linux-distro-privacy-protection | Nov 15 08:27 |
| brendyn | pretty amazing | Nov 15 08:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itworld.com | Best Linux distro for privacy protection? | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/g1hlj ] | Nov 15 08:27 |
| DaemonFC | I'll upgrade to the 4.12 branch when KDE declares it to be beta, and the KDE Redhat team uploads it. | Nov 15 08:27 |
| iophk | http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/which-linux-distro-is-best-for-protecting-your-privacy--1192771 | Nov 15 08:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.techradar.com | Which Linux distro is best for protecting your privacy? | News | TechRadar [ http://ur1.ca/g10ix ] | Nov 15 08:28 |
| iophk | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2063841/cybercriminals-target-silverlight-users-with-new-exploit-kit.html | Nov 15 08:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.pcworld.com | Cybercriminals target Silverlight browser plug-in users with new exploit kit | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/g1hnk ] | Nov 15 08:38 |
| iophk | http://www.itwire.com/it-policy-news/regulation/62288-tpp-a-%E2%80%98hugely-dangerous%E2%80%99-and-a-%E2%80%98looming-disaster%E2%80%99 | Nov 15 08:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itwire.com | TPP ‘hugely dangerous’ and a ‘looming disaster’ [ http://ur1.ca/g1hqx ] | Nov 15 08:54 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Nov 15 11:05 |
| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/denmark-blocks-major-movie-sites-norway-prepares-pirate-bay-blockade-131115/ | Nov 15 11:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Denmark Blocks Major Movie Sites, Norway Prepares Pirate Bay Blockade | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/g1j2u ] | Nov 15 11:57 |
| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/11/recent-surface-warming-has-probably-been-underestimated/ | Nov 15 11:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Recent surface warming has probably been underestimated | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g1j39 ] | Nov 15 11:58 |
| iophk | http://www.infoworld.com/d/the-industry-standard/shocker-women-outnumber-men-in-years-tech-hires-230810 | Nov 15 12:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | Shocker: Women outnumber men in this year's tech hires | The Industry Standard - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/g1j3u ] | Nov 15 12:01 |
| iophk | U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. | Nov 15 12:01 |
| iophk | http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/pre-loaded-linux-the-solution-to-a-mass-of-problems/ | Nov 15 12:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.techrepublic.com | Pre-loaded Linux: The solution to a mass of problems - TechRepublic [ http://ur1.ca/g1j45 ] | Nov 15 12:04 |
| iophk | I thought the story of Lindows returns was a myth. | Nov 15 12:04 |
| iophk | http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-11/15/encrypting-all-web-traffic | Nov 15 12:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.co.uk | Internet architects propose encrypting all the world's web traffic (Wired UK) [ http://ur1.ca/g1j5c ] | Nov 15 12:10 |
| iophk | Encrypting all web traffic will affect network loads, interfere with caching and other currently used techniques to reduce load. | Nov 15 12:15 |
| iophk | www.nbcnews.com/science/forests-disappearing-2000-google-cloud-maps-globaa | Nov 15 12:45 |
| iophk | http://www.nbcnews.com/science/forests-disappearing-2000-google-cloud-maps-globaa | Nov 15 12:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ( status 404 @ http://www.nbcnews.com/science/forests-disappearing-2000-google-cloud-maps-globaa ) | Nov 15 12:45 |
| Guest63470 | https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/401290269913788416 | Nov 15 13:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @ch_s: @schestowitz : TBH Oracle has other problems to worry about these days #healthcare .gov blunder in the US :-) | Nov 15 13:31 |
| iophk | Oracle would also have this to worry about, too: | Nov 15 14:00 |
| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/11/15/revenge-of-the-dragon/ | Nov 15 14:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | Revenge of the Dragon | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/g1jn2 ] | Nov 15 14:00 |
| iophk | China, IIRC, got a lot of inside information from M$ a while back. | Nov 15 14:01 |
| iophk | So they know just how little the company and its products can be trusted. | Nov 15 14:01 |
| iophk | It's not like M$ pays any taxes, so the US loses little from this. Only annoying M$ loses, and that's a gain for the world. | Nov 15 14:01 |
| schestowitz_log_ | https://twitter.com/csoghoian/status/40134633697850982 | Nov 15 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | No message found | Nov 15 14:12 |
| schestowitz_log_ | https://twitter.com/csoghoian/status/401346336978509824 | Nov 15 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @csoghoian: How do US execs justify the secret deals they make with US intel agencies? The risk of shareholder lawsuits if discovered must be huge. | Nov 15 14:12 |
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| schestowitz_log_ | <Guest90894> @FSFEfrance An #ebook with #DRM is no book, says French | Nov 15 14:40 |
| schestowitz_log_ | <Guest90894> retweeted by national assembly. No more lower VAT for | Nov 15 14:40 |
| schestowitz_log_ | <Guest90894> @glynmoody DRM-encumbered eBooks in France, when the law | Nov 15 14:40 |
| schestowitz_log_ | <Guest90894> is passed | Nov 15 14:40 |
| schestowitz_log_ | <Guest90894> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/g1j9v | Nov 15 14:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @FSFEfrance: An #ebook with #DRM is no book, says French national assembly. No more lower VAT for DRM-encumbered eBooks in France, when the law is passed | Nov 15 14:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | (Re-tweeted by glynmoody) | Nov 15 14:40 |
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| sebsebseb | iophk: hmm older guy wants GNOME 2 (I think he means Mate really), instead of GNOME 3 | Nov 15 19:19 |
| iophk | Probably means Mate | Nov 15 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well it dcoenst' say that | Nov 15 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I gues so | Nov 15 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: been working on proposals today in their style to | Nov 15 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | going to try and find out that it's ok to propse for 2 3 and even 4 distros though | Nov 15 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | before sending something off | Nov 15 19:21 |
| iophk | cool | Nov 15 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: been putting stuff in the style though | Nov 15 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | so hepfully this time ok | Nov 15 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | so hepfully this time okis just a change since interface etc | Nov 15 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybbe better to give WIndows users mate | Nov 15 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | on the other hand younger ones may like GNOME 3 | Nov 15 19:22 |
| iophk | You could use the opportunity to do some testing. Find out what former Windows users like. | Nov 15 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: to late now | Nov 15 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | would have been good to have tried to do some userbility testing though in a way | Nov 15 19:25 |
| iophk | So bureaucratic. | Nov 15 19:25 |
| iophk | Usability testing would be valuable. | Nov 15 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ,but nope the decioss get made on Tuesday for what will be used for the evet | Nov 15 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | hmm if KDE is shown in Open SUse | Nov 15 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | and Mate is shown in Mint | Nov 15 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | where does Mageai come into things? right it doesn't seem too | Nov 15 19:26 |
| iophk | I thought you had written other plans. | Nov 15 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: other plans? | Nov 15 19:27 |
| sebsebseb | they didn't like how I proposed | Nov 15 19:27 |
| sebsebseb | so I have to do things i their style | Nov 15 19:27 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: oh let's show Mate nstead of GNOME 3, let's kick Mageia out | Nov 15 19:28 |
| iophk | Why? | Nov 15 19:28 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybbe I'll just be honest with people at the event here and there about things, if I don't quite get my way | Nov 15 19:28 |
| sebsebseb | I know what I can be like | Nov 15 19:28 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well it seems don't need both Open Suse and Mahiea, and Open Suse is getting the votes so | Nov 15 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and there's no Mgeia 4 live session for Cinnamon or Mate, so I guess Mint is in for that then? | Nov 15 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | I can't just say Mageia for those, and proviide a live session to remaster? | Nov 15 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Mageia is a mainly KDE and GNOME focussed distro, maye that will be it's let down, for this particular event | Nov 15 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | since openSUSE | Nov 15 19:30 |
| iophk | Mageia for KDE then | Nov 15 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | which is also a very KDE focussed distro, that provides GNOME to | Nov 15 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: could maybe try and make an unofficl Live session for Mate and Cinnanonm, but I don't think that's the way to go | Nov 15 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: no you saw htose proposals | Nov 15 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | the other two guys one of whihc is the event co ordinater has voted openSUSE for KDE | Nov 15 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | which in fact out of the four of us who will be there on Tuesday, leaves only myself, and the openSUSE guy and guess what the openSUSE guy wil want right hmm | Nov 15 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so three votes for KDE in openSUSE | Nov 15 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | maybe in a way a fourth one to from the guy that's away | Nov 15 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | an so that's me out voted for that one | Nov 15 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | and GNOME may not be in either as in GNOME 3, so Mageia is out then, since no live sesoin for Mate and Cinnamon hmm so Mint | Nov 15 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they don'tseem to think ike me, tat it may be goo to have two distros showing KDE | Nov 15 19:33 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well I got Brussuels coming up to celebreate the Maegai 4 release etc :) | Nov 15 19:33 |
| sebsebseb | at a proper pen source free software event | Nov 15 19:34 |
| sebsebseb | the internatonally recognised FOSDEM! | Nov 15 19:34 |
| iophk | Sounds better. | Nov 15 19:34 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ,but for this event it's looking like distros that aren't that great really in March and WIndows like interfaces in them | Nov 15 19:34 |
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| sebsebseb | iophk: why is he puttng the wrong date in the emal asking wht bringing uh | Nov 15 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: should I bother with a fourth propa tat mentions Open SUse I Wonder hmm | Nov 15 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I mean, KDE and GNOME in both Mageia and Open Suse | Nov 15 19:42 |
| iophk | Suse is toxic. | Nov 15 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | Suse is the winner for this event it seems with Mint, and possibly Ubuntu | Nov 15 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Open Suse is what's causing the problems for me | Nov 15 19:43 |
| iophk | same thing | Nov 15 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | well the guy who likes it since he suggested | Nov 15 19:43 |
| MinceR | if suse wins, almost everybody loses | Nov 15 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | and has influenced the event co ordinater to go with it for KDE to it seems uh | Nov 15 19:44 |
| iophk | KDE on Mageia, like in your proposal | Nov 15 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and two or so years ago he was like I don't care what distros is used for such an eent, uh right, look at now hmm | Nov 15 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well done quite a few propaosl earlier | Nov 15 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | Mint, Cinnamon.... | Nov 15 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: started doing a fourth to that mentioend Open SUse, maybe that's exactly what i shoudnt be doing! | Nov 15 19:45 |
| iophk | right | Nov 15 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | it may win, but me propsing itas a fourth thing? altough that was to go with Mageia | Nov 15 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | baially Open SUSE won it's there, let's have Magiea to, that knd of propsal | Nov 15 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I am going to propse for 2 distros, 3 distro,s nad possily 4 to incluing Open SUS as I just said | Nov 15 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | probably all my propoals will get rejected though or pretty much since uh | Nov 15 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I asume its ok to propse ike that, | Nov 15 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | was thinkng of emailing to check, but hmm | Nov 15 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: hmm emal sent | Nov 15 19:59 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: may as well check tht, instad of maing proposlas fo 2 3 an 4, and then gettin no not like that | Nov 15 19:59 |
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| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: Do you stll like Mnt a lot or? | Nov 15 21:41 |
| MinceR | ...not | Nov 15 21:42 |
| ThistleWeb | looking forward to 16 with the new cinimamon | Nov 15 21:44 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: hmm? | Nov 15 21:44 |
| ThistleWeb | but not in a while | Nov 15 21:44 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: i completed your sentence. | Nov 15 21:44 |
| sebsebseb | yeah what do you use now then? | Nov 15 21:44 |
| ThistleWeb | crunchbang for a while | Nov 15 21:44 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: have you used openSUSE properly before by the way, and if so what did you think? | Nov 15 21:44 |
| ThistleWeb | not really, did it once, it was decent | Nov 15 21:44 |
| sebsebseb | well I am a bit uhmm | Nov 15 21:45 |
| sebsebseb | annoyed about stuff at the moment | Nov 15 21:45 |
| sebsebseb | helping orgnaise an event, but | Nov 15 21:45 |
| sebsebseb | aimed at Joe and Jane Average, but | Nov 15 21:45 |
| sebsebseb | to get htem to use Linux isntead of Windows or as wlel as ,but we coudn't just properly decide at the begining what distrs to have and interfaces | Nov 15 21:45 |
| sebsebseb | I thought would be going wiht it all realy or pretty much, but nope, now it's about propsed votes, and then voting on Tuesday, looks to me like Mageia is out already and possibly Ubuntu as wlel | Nov 15 21:46 |
| sebsebseb | and we got four distros, but meant too go down to only 2 or 3 really etc, it's a mess really | Nov 15 21:46 |
| sebsebseb | and the openSUSE guy has convinced the eent co orditaer to propse openSUSE KDE it seems to, and Ubuntu guy di htat to, and uh | Nov 15 21:47 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: I don't think I got friends there really to to be honest, and this is all doe on peoples personal opinions, with promotoins and demo's of the remaseters on Tuesday, I have a feeling I am not going to get my way though, whatever I propose | Nov 15 21:47 |
| sebsebseb | annoying | Nov 15 21:48 |
| sebsebseb | it's like convncing Linuxusers with alread their own opinion, to go with thaat other one for event | Nov 15 21:48 |
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| ThistleWeb | last I tried oensuse I found it was decent actually | Nov 15 21:53 |
| ThistleWeb | I got annoyed with dolphin and the way it handles media files on the nas | Nov 15 21:54 |
| ThistleWeb | it wouldn't play them, wanted to downloaed them, and ket demanding the user / pass | Nov 15 21:54 |
| ThistleWeb | it drove me nuts to the point that it was a dealbreaker, I think that was kde tho | Nov 15 21:54 |
| ThistleWeb | opensuse has a fantastic control center as far as I recall | Nov 15 21:56 |
| ThistleWeb | when I tried it, it was the middle of the whole unity, gnome, gtk not working great time | Nov 15 21:56 |
| ThistleWeb | so I was scrambling around for something decent when none of the distros were doing a great job due to their DEs not being well baked | Nov 15 21:57 |
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| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: yeah exactly it's got a control centre to | Nov 15 22:13 |
| sebsebseb | not just Mageia so hmm | Nov 15 22:13 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: Mageia has a good control centre to, but that may not win them over to have Mageia for this event to, it turns out uh | Nov 15 22:14 |
| ThistleWeb | dunno what to say, but the whole mandrake / mandriva popularity train left the station many yrs ago | Nov 15 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | I think the whole Mandriva/Mandrake et legacy, has been around for longer than SUSE has existed to in any form? | Nov 15 22:14 |
| ThistleWeb | and? | Nov 15 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | sure, but Mageia is quite popular still now | Nov 15 22:15 |
| ThistleWeb | it's about whether people care or not | Nov 15 22:15 |
| ThistleWeb | suse has always been kept going | Nov 15 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | I think they all got perosnal opions and poloticsal these other orgnaisers | Nov 15 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | I Think Maegia is out | Nov 15 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | I find out on Tuesday | Nov 15 22:15 |
| ThistleWeb | the whole mandriva line went DOA many times | Nov 15 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I been thinkn it's out every since he's like let's do a vote and then more os when I see proposls etc | Nov 15 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | what do you mean DOA? | Nov 15 22:16 |
| ThistleWeb | DOA - dead on arrival | Nov 15 22:16 |
| ThistleWeb | people moved on | Nov 15 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | Magei has been good ever since that started | Nov 15 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | also Open SUSE is linked to Microsoft, and all that, as MinceR and iophok (who isn't i here right ow) woud say | Nov 15 22:17 |
| ThistleWeb | linux users generally lost patience with that whole line, they're happy with what they;ve found, there's no reason to even care that a new mandriva line is available | Nov 15 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I don't think stuff like that wil matter for htis event | Nov 15 22:17 |
| ThistleWeb | it's about what people care about, they don't about mageia | Nov 15 22:17 |
| ThistleWeb | you were always fighting an uphil battle | Nov 15 22:17 |
| MinceR | i think what users get hooked on matters | Nov 15 22:18 |
| MinceR | as for DEs, what users see matters | Nov 15 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: for the event, it's what people think Windows users wnat | Nov 15 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | ,but the people making the decisons all have their own prefered distros and de's etc | Nov 15 22:18 |
| MinceR | (i.e. that there are better options than kde, gnome and unity) | Nov 15 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | and what htey think is best for WIndows users etc | Nov 15 22:18 |
| ThistleWeb | plenty of folks who used to love mandrake / mandriva are happy using fedora, ubuntu, mint etc | Nov 15 22:18 |
| ThistleWeb | then where's the difference? it's easy to use? like loads of others | Nov 15 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | quite a few who used to use Ubuntu are happy using Mageia, me included for that one, but I switched away from Ubuntu before Unity | Nov 15 22:19 |
| ThistleWeb | the DE is the same as other distros | Nov 15 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | the GNOME 2 patchin etc | Nov 15 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: that's the issue I think, what is the ral differnce then? | Nov 15 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | Magiea vs Open SUSE | Nov 15 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | they both run KDE and GNOME | Nov 15 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | they both have control centres hmm | Nov 15 22:19 |
| ThistleWeb | well, opensuse has a LONG pedegree of corporate support | Nov 15 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | oh a nice welcome screen is coming for Mageia 4, but even if I show that some hwo on Tuesday, is that going to make them think Mgiea for this event I am not so sure | Nov 15 22:20 |
| ThistleWeb | it's been refined and polished for many years | Nov 15 22:20 |
| sebsebseb | and Mageia has loads of the former developers etc | Nov 15 22:20 |
| ThistleWeb | you have to find a way to sell it as doing something the many other polished distros don't | Nov 15 22:21 |
| ThistleWeb | a "me too" won't cut it | Nov 15 22:21 |
| ThistleWeb | people need a reason to step outside their comfort zone | Nov 15 22:21 |
| ThistleWeb | they may try magiea, if they can spell it right to search for the site | Nov 15 22:21 |
| sebsebseb | and loads of quality assurance tsting etc, goes into even the milestones, the alphas, beta, rc etc | Nov 15 22:21 |
| sebsebseb | yes seems so for Tuesday, but that's an issue | Nov 15 22:22 |
| sebsebseb | well I am meant to show a demo remaaster or more on Tuesday | Nov 15 22:22 |
| ThistleWeb | I've never tried it, even in virtyualbox | Nov 15 22:22 |
| ThistleWeb | virtualbox | Nov 15 22:22 |
| sebsebseb | and I got five i minutes to try and proote it in a talk | Nov 15 22:22 |
| sebsebseb | then go through the proposals,, and vote on stuff | Nov 15 22:23 |
| ThistleWeb | rpm might be an issue for some folks, fedora / RH know RPM, it's their format, and suse has a long history of it, so they know it inside out too | Nov 15 22:23 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: and annongily I can't really push it for Mint and Cinnamon instead of Mint, because that will only be in the repo's for Mageai 4, no live sesions | Nov 15 22:23 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: Mageia uses RPM as well | Nov 15 22:23 |
| sebsebseb | with urpmi not yum etc | Nov 15 22:24 |
| ThistleWeb | I know it uses rpm, that's my point | Nov 15 22:24 |
| sebsebseb | oh you mean can't sell it in that way | Nov 15 22:24 |
| sebsebseb | can't say like, oh it's better tha your package manaer | Nov 15 22:24 |
| sebsebseb | for SUSE, beuse it's pretty much the same thing really | Nov 15 22:24 |
| sebsebseb | they are both RPM | Nov 15 22:24 |
| ThistleWeb | rpm has had issues of broken packages for folks | Nov 15 22:25 |
| ThistleWeb | it may be a thing of the past,like BSOD's but it was promenant enough that it tainted folks opinions of rpm | Nov 15 22:25 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: I am thinking it may be out, for Open SUSE, since how he persuaded the event co ordinater alredy, and someone else it seemes enough | Nov 15 22:25 |
| ThistleWeb | open suse has always been slick | Nov 15 22:25 |
| MinceR | has opensuse managed to make a usable netinstaller already? | Nov 15 22:25 |
| sebsebseb | and the ther's a guy away, but he watever, and that's fou of us voting, on Tuesday, incling the guy who wants openSUSE | Nov 15 22:25 |
| MinceR | (not the one that has you enter the ip address of an ftp server and the full path on it) | Nov 15 22:26 |
| sebsebseb | so 3 votes for openSUSE nad I am voted out | Nov 15 22:26 |
| ThistleWeb | how much upheavel has there been around the mandrake bloodline? with distros coming and going? | Nov 15 22:26 |
| sebsebseb | PC Linus OS is still there since 2003 | Nov 15 22:26 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia is going well on it's way to Megeia 4 final release | Nov 15 22:26 |
| ThistleWeb | yep, apart form that year or so where he disappeared | Nov 15 22:26 |
| MinceR | debian is still here since 1993 | Nov 15 22:26 |
| sebsebseb | Mandriva itself is dead as a distributer, but there's oing to e a OpenMandria/Moondrake | Nov 15 22:27 |
| sebsebseb | Unity Linux is still around a Mandriva like distro, distro bbuiler type thing | Nov 15 22:27 |
| sebsebseb | ROSA is still around to the Russian thing bsd on Mandria etc | Nov 15 22:27 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, because the mandriva thing is the first thing that linux folks think when they hear unity | Nov 15 22:28 |
| sebsebseb | it's got nothing to do with Canonical Ubuntu Unity | Nov 15 22:28 |
| sebsebseb | also Unty Linux was first as far as I know | Nov 15 22:28 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 15 22:28 |
| ThistleWeb | rosa, yes, so far down the distrowatch charts that you blink and miss it | Nov 15 22:28 |
| sebsebseb | sure, but last time I looked their site was only in Rusian really | Nov 15 22:28 |
| ThistleWeb | and? GNU like that claim, but most folks call it just linux | Nov 15 22:28 |
| ThistleWeb | it's not about first, it's about what people know | Nov 15 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | I don't think many people use ROSA, exept for some Russsians and that'sa bout it | Nov 15 22:29 |
| ThistleWeb | exactly | Nov 15 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | Mandriva 2011 got ROSA stuff put into the KDE though | Nov 15 22:29 |
| ThistleWeb | I reckon a lot of people think magiea is cute, but doesn't really have much of a reason to exist | Nov 15 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | well it's gone down on distro wath from 2 sadly | Nov 15 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | I noticed more recenty | Nov 15 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | ,but still there in the top 5 or 10 | Nov 15 22:30 |
| MinceR | if it's about what people know, might as well show them winblows | Nov 15 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | I think since it's on a 9 months release cycle | Nov 15 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | and that new distro based on Mandriva | Nov 15 22:30 |
| MinceR | and not go too far there either because you might find something they don't know | Nov 15 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | stuf has woren out a bit I think too be honest | Nov 15 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | ,but still there in the top 10 on distrowatch, and it's going well the distro | Nov 15 22:30 |
| MinceR | i thought the whole point was to introduce people to something they don't know :> | Nov 15 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: of the event yes to Liux | Nov 15 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | ,but Linux has many difernet forms/distros with many difernet looks/interfacese and that's our issue | Nov 15 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | for this event at the moment, what to go with exatly, what distro and for what interface | Nov 15 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: that's for the event abvoe | Nov 15 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: I think yourtrying tosay a distro need to do something ground breaking | Nov 15 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: that the others don't do ? | Nov 15 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | or posiblly | Nov 15 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | otherwise it's jut why use that one over that, when they run the same software and kind of software really? | Nov 15 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | I mean in genral it's nice having upstream for loads of stuff, and distros following that, but they should do differences here and there really | Nov 15 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | and not just branding an things like that, well that's a debate. Unity was Canonial attemps at doing tht something differnet, but they annoyed a lot of their community at th same time with it | Nov 15 22:33 |
| ThistleWeb | many distros don't really have a reason to exist | Nov 15 22:33 |
| MinceR | well, it is something different | Nov 15 22:33 |
| ThistleWeb | other than for the few people whos needs it serves | Nov 15 22:33 |
| MinceR | ...different from what makes sense. :> | Nov 15 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: most of the distro's basd on Ubuntu I agree with you there, most of them don't reallly have a proper reason to exist | Nov 15 22:33 |
| ThistleWeb | there's way too many ubuntu dericvs too, exactly | Nov 15 22:34 |
| ThistleWeb | derivs* | Nov 15 22:34 |
| MinceR | i never get these "way too many" arguments | Nov 15 22:34 |
| MinceR | you don't have to use all of them | Nov 15 22:34 |
| ThistleWeb | true, it's a survival of the most useful | Nov 15 22:35 |
| ThistleWeb | mint started as "ubuntu with codecs" and grew into it's own thing | Nov 15 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | yep way to many, but now even Mint doesn't have as much of a reason to eist, dpeendin on how you look at it, Cinnamon can run in other distros :), Mate an to, oh and that's a Arch thing really. Mint began as a distro for those who found ith ard to get codecs into Ubuntu, now it's a Unity haters/dislikers distro really | Nov 15 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | oh we were typing the same thing | Nov 15 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | around same time :d | Nov 15 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | codecs thing etc | Nov 15 22:35 |
| MinceR | unity could probably run in other distros too | Nov 15 22:35 |
| MinceR | just probably there aren't many people who care for it | Nov 15 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | in general I think it's good to have distro choice and interface choice, but in the case of distros that are just based on some other distro, not a proper fork like Maeia is or like PC Lnux OS was, well yeah most of those are just remasters realy, and don't hae muchof a rason to eist | Nov 15 22:36 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yep indeed to the Unity comment | Nov 15 22:36 |
| ThistleWeb | magiea could be seen as a distro that will flash into existence, get some traction for a few years, then disappear.......like the majority of the mandrake rebirths | Nov 15 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: Do you think Joe and Jane average should get to see Unity and take a USB home with it on, at the event I was tellng you about? | Nov 15 22:37 |
| ThistleWeb | so what's the poiint of giving it any "we're here to stay" time | Nov 15 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | I bbelie it is here to stay | Nov 15 22:37 |
| ThistleWeb | unity as a DE has advantages for some end users | Nov 15 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | as long as the project has eough money, and that's public, and things are good at the moment there's profit etc | Nov 15 22:38 |
| sebsebseb | do you Unity shold be at this event aimed at the public? | Nov 15 22:38 |
| ThistleWeb | canonical are one of the few who can spend money on proper research | Nov 15 22:38 |
| sebsebseb | ,but that means Ubuntu needs in, and as one of the 3 distros | Nov 15 22:38 |
| ThistleWeb | the result of that concept is Unity, so I'd say it suits their target audience well | Nov 15 22:38 |
| sebsebseb | probably only going to og with 3 distros, and we got these as the propsed ones at the mment, Mint, Open Suse, Mageia, and Ubuntu | Nov 15 22:38 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: yep that's been my thing for why I think Unit should probably be in, since it's aimed at those kind of users | Nov 15 22:39 |
| ThistleWeb | I'd consider ubuntu and suse to have two seats booked | Nov 15 22:39 |
| sebsebseb | also I did read about smoe userbility studies with it in the past, I want Unity in, let's see if thos kind of users like it or not really | Nov 15 22:39 |
| ThistleWeb | the thrid, well, that's in the eyes of the beholder | Nov 15 22:39 |
| sebsebseb | I think openSUSE with KDE is in, beause two of them already propsed that inclding the event co ordinater and the guy who wants Ubuntu, and obviosuly the OpenSUSE guy wants that, so that's 3 votes for openSUS and there's ony 5 of us | Nov 15 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | I think Mint with Cinnamon is probably in, since event co ordinter wants that, and also the guy wanting that | Nov 15 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | and most of them are against Unity they don't like it, it seems | Nov 15 22:41 |
| ThistleWeb | ubuntu has more users than every other disrto put together, yer smoking crack if ya think ubuntu is;t going to be one of the 3 | Nov 15 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | or event co ordinter anyway, but yeah that may be in depends. ,but things realy do point to Magiea being out, unless I can convnce htem on Tuesday hmm, and I been thinking like this for like two weeks already | Nov 15 22:41 |
| ThistleWeb | suse has the "big name IT brand" behind it option | Nov 15 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: that's how he propsed it, he did the user thing etc, mots users, I been thinking hte same though, it would be strange to have this event, without Ubuntu really | Nov 15 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | the Ubuntu guy | Nov 15 22:42 |
| ThistleWeb | the other two, one has full compatibility with the poster child, the other is a reheated fart from the 2000's | Nov 15 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | the other two ??? which to which? | Nov 15 22:42 |
| ThistleWeb | mint and magiea | Nov 15 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: it seems Mageia is out yeah, no one has voted for that | Nov 15 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | so far anway | Nov 15 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | and openSUSE can run KDE, and GNOME 3, or could have a GNOME 2 like interface with Mate in Mint or whatever soyeah | Nov 15 22:43 |
| ThistleWeb | you seriously didn't think mageia wouldn't be an uphill battle when you got involved with it? | Nov 15 22:43 |
| ThistleWeb | to convince even linux users to try it, let alone install it | Nov 15 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | he updated the proposals earlier eent co orrdinater after I sugestd GNOME 3 for Mageia, he was like if we agree to have GNOME I think it should be GNOME 2 | Nov 15 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: if your askig me if I thought it would be a challenge in that way | Nov 15 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | I don't think I gave that much thought to that if any really to begin with, but after that eent whre I did a talk about it a lighting talk | Nov 15 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | and I got aked to compare it afterwoulds well | Nov 15 22:45 |
| sebsebseb | some of them were like to me, why use that over Ubuntu? | Nov 15 22:46 |
| ThistleWeb | folks who are new to linux will go for the best supported ones, which generally means ubuntu.....if there's ontly one PPA for a peivce of software, or a compiled binary, it'll be a deb for ubuntu | Nov 15 22:46 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: I guess Open SUSE is more known for example if that's what you mean as well, yes it's got a lower rating in distrowatch at the moment than Magia, but it's still more known really | Nov 15 22:46 |
| ThistleWeb | folks who are used to linux, will possibly distro hop and find their own | Nov 15 22:46 |
| sebsebseb | the best supportedones yeh, well Ubuntu for sure for that | Nov 15 22:47 |
| MinceR | or they'll be turned off by ubuntu | Nov 15 22:47 |
| MinceR | and suse | Nov 15 22:47 |
| sebsebseb | Mint has a small, but nice IRC network | Nov 15 22:47 |
| ThistleWeb | plenty want the assurance that it'll be around for a few years before they atart to make the mental switch of alegiance | Nov 15 22:47 |
| sebsebseb | the SUSE channel on here seems toh ae quit a efw people, but so does #mageia in copariosn really, and think forums will be good for all of those distros | Nov 15 22:47 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: that it will be around a few years yeah, you have a point there as wel really. Mandrva in some form or the other been around many years, but Mgea itself first release well 1st jUne 2011 | Nov 15 22:48 |
| sebsebseb | I know that Mageia wll be around for many yars to come though | Nov 15 22:48 |
| sebsebseb | I am qute sure of it | Nov 15 22:48 |
| sebsebseb | well unless the project complety runs out of mone that is | Nov 15 22:48 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: maybe it does sound better to put on a 13 or 15 or whateer it is, than a 3 or a 4 | Nov 15 22:49 |
| sebsebseb | distro versio numbers | Nov 15 22:49 |
| ThistleWeb | how many people don't spell magiea right? | Nov 15 22:50 |
| MinceR | there's at least one already :> | Nov 15 22:50 |
| ThistleWeb | the i e and a are odd | Nov 15 22:50 |
| ThistleWeb | at least for westerners | Nov 15 22:50 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah that was an uninentional typoe | Nov 15 22:50 |
| MinceR | doesn't seem odd | Nov 15 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | oh if I am not speing it right well it's, because I am on my netbook keybord | Nov 15 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | I am not as used to typing on this one | Nov 15 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | and it's Mageia | Nov 15 22:50 |
| MinceR | seems like just "magic" in greek to me | Nov 15 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | yep that's what it means what MinceR put | Nov 15 22:51 |
| MinceR | then again, it helps that it translates to "mágia" in hungarian | Nov 15 22:51 |
| MinceR | which is relatively close. | Nov 15 22:51 |
| *sebsebseb thinks ThistleWeb made some interesting points | Nov 15 22:51 | |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: so if it's voted out on Tuesday (as it probaly will be hmm), how do you think I should react? | Nov 15 22:52 |
| ThistleWeb | I don't really distro hop these days, but even when I did, I never even downloaded magiea | Nov 15 22:52 |
| ThistleWeb | I just had no interest in it | Nov 15 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | right and I never really gave OpenSUSE a proper try either | Nov 15 22:52 |
| ThistleWeb | for me, my comfy slippers are in the whole deb family | Nov 15 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | I treid yast from some Live DVD, but didnt' get far with it, I also tried to virtual machine the other day/night what will become the releae soon | Nov 15 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: yeah the comfy slippers in the Debfamily got two of htem ike that | Nov 15 22:53 |
| ThistleWeb | as an rpm distro, that's a huge factor counting against many folks even trying it | Nov 15 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | the one who wanted Mint, and the one who wanted Ubuntu | Nov 15 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | well openSUE is RPM as well as you put arlier | Nov 15 22:54 |
| ThistleWeb | would magiea stand a better chance if it was deb? very likely | Nov 15 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | in this case yeah maybe actsualy | Nov 15 22:54 |
| MinceR | i don't get most of the package manager hate | Nov 15 22:54 |
| ThistleWeb | yes, and I already explained why opensuse is a bit different, or at least it's gettng a more welcome | Nov 15 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | I could have easily done a remater many weeks ago etc | Nov 15 22:54 |
| MinceR | i mean, sure, conary is idiotic and yum is somewhat unreliable, but i don't see what's inherently wrong about rpm | Nov 15 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: that's smething else, I coudn't show htem a remaster like they wanted, when they oringally wanted, sine I had to find out how to make the ting first | Nov 15 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | and that really wasn't simple | Nov 15 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | ,but now that I know how to do it, it's alright | Nov 15 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | ,but there was a whole proccess of trying to find out and it all being uh | Nov 15 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: you think SUSE has more of a chance, since the commerical feel and sponsers even? | Nov 15 22:55 |
| ThistleWeb | why even offer a remaster? isn't the point that you can get folks who see it to think "oh that's cool, can I get the link, CD whatever"? if you offer a custom one off respin that wont represent the expreience they get if they choose it | Nov 15 22:56 |
| ThistleWeb | not to mention many more years of dedicated development, refinement and support | Nov 15 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | yeah openSUSE has that commercal feel to it I guess, that Magiea won't have since it's a proper in the spirot of being a community distro, community distro where everyone is a volunteer | Nov 15 22:56 |
| ThistleWeb | the suse people know it inside out | Nov 15 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | the SUSE ele know what inside out? | Nov 15 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | people | Nov 15 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | guess who wanted the remasters in the first place, and convincned the eent co ordinater to have them, when he didn't realy know about them | Nov 15 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | and of course not me | Nov 15 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | dum de dum, who was it, who were the two people, who went on about how great they were, in the first organisers meeting/ | Nov 15 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | and why? hmm | Nov 15 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | take a guess | Nov 15 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | ?? | Nov 15 22:59 |
| ThistleWeb | I come into IRC on friday nights to listen to the bugcast | Nov 15 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | oh right | Nov 15 23:00 |
| ThistleWeb | this happens to be still in my autojoins | Nov 15 23:00 |
| sebsebseb | ok anyway the openSUSE guy since Open Suse Studio, amd the Mint guy sinece some GUI for that. | Nov 15 23:00 |
| ThistleWeb | I understand that you've seen the merits to magiea and that you're struggling to convince others | Nov 15 23:00 |
| sebsebseb | maybe I just started to annoy you a bit, but the points/comments you made, I have found quite useful, thank you | Nov 15 23:01 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm giving my opinions on why magiea just doesnt interest people | Nov 15 23:01 |
| ThistleWeb | some might be valid, some just inetria, that they see no reason to even try | Nov 15 23:01 |
| sebsebseb | the bug cast yeah, I might hae actsuly been there with him at ogg camp if he went don't know, might have bee him. I mean the kind of guy who would take his kids to such an event? | Nov 15 23:02 |
| sebsebseb | just I remeber some guy being there with his kids etc | Nov 15 23:02 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm a linux user and it didn't even interest me enough to download it | Nov 15 23:02 |
| sebsebseb | I could have chatted to the Crunchbang guy fi I wanted to as well, but nope | Nov 15 23:02 |
| sebsebseb | and his wiffe I gues, but nah, they wr with someone who used to come to my LUG etc | Nov 15 23:02 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I recognisd them wen I heard voices since HRP last year | Nov 15 23:03 |
| ThistleWeb | I've already seen the value of linux, so what does that say about magiea? | Nov 15 23:03 |
| sebsebseb | wel we don't get interestd in all distros | Nov 15 23:03 |
| sebsebseb | many all of us wil just overlook at what distros, depends on person? | Nov 15 23:03 |
| ThistleWeb | I reckon there's a small community like you who magiea works for them | Nov 15 23:03 |
| ThistleWeb | I doubt it will ever be anything other than that | Nov 15 23:04 |
| sebsebseb | well however big that community really s or the genral interest out htere, enought to bei n top 10 on distrowatch, yeah don on page iews,but yeah | Nov 15 23:04 |
| ThistleWeb | of course, but it is indicative | Nov 15 23:04 |
| sebsebseb | so you think openSUSE is better to have at the event instead of Mageia? not as well as? | Nov 15 23:05 |
| MinceR | i'm pretty sure debian has a much bigger community than opensuse | Nov 15 23:06 |
| sebsebseb | yeah, but Mint and Ubunt uis what's been proposed, not Debian itself, as I told you beore | Nov 15 23:06 |
| sebsebseb | also who gives Debian itself to a new user going straight from WIndows? | Nov 15 23:06 |
| MinceR | i gave CrunchBang to such a user, and he seems satisfied | Nov 15 23:07 |
| sebsebseb | altough I think those users | Nov 15 23:07 |
| sebsebseb | would be happy with nearly any distro or interface | Nov 15 23:07 |
| sebsebseb | whch I think is what they don't seem to undrstand for this event enough, or htis event co ordinter in particular for example | Nov 15 23:07 |
| MinceR | unless they bump into the same problems on ubuntu, for example | Nov 15 23:08 |
| ThistleWeb | then why try to force magiea | Nov 15 23:08 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: just need to show it can do email etc, and nearly anything is good enough then | Nov 15 23:08 |
| ThistleWeb | if they'd be happy with anyone | Nov 15 23:08 |
| MinceR | or if they go to suse and then get sued by m$ for patents | Nov 15 23:08 |
| sebsebseb | not sure Micrsooft would sue the end uesr for using openSUSE | Nov 15 23:08 |
| MinceR | or just guarantee that there will be no further updates or support? | Nov 15 23:09 |
| MinceR | and that the applications and environment they're used to is going away unless someone pays up? | Nov 15 23:09 |
| sebsebseb | TRIdentica: quite a few of them here dislike openSUSE sine hte patnet stuff etc etc, schestowitz included for that one, so getting your thing was rethresseing :) | Nov 15 23:09 |
| sebsebseb | they just simaplly dislike openSUSE here in general | Nov 15 23:10 |
| sebsebseb | which doens't realy help me for htis event, since its i probably and thats that | Nov 15 23:10 |
| MinceR | i have more reasons to dislike *suse | Nov 15 23:10 |
| MinceR | like the netinstall thing or the thing it did to the keyboard at a friend | Nov 15 23:11 |
| MinceR | or that in order to install a package on suse (not opensuse) i would have needed a disc i didn't have | Nov 15 23:11 |
| sebsebseb | since it's in probably and that's that | Nov 15 23:11 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: what do you think about openSUSE when it comes to Microsoft and patents and that kind of thing of interest? | Nov 15 23:11 |
| ThistleWeb | it's still an issue as far as I am concerned | Nov 15 23:12 |
| sebsebseb | ok you think it's an issue interesting | Nov 15 23:12 |
| ThistleWeb | but I doubt any of that will directly affect end users | Nov 15 23:12 |
| MinceR | plus i trust APT a lot more than zypper | Nov 15 23:12 |
| sebsebseb | ,but you don't think a as a resut it shoudn't be used at the event? I don't think if I try saying more about that kind of thing to them, that it wll make any differnce | Nov 15 23:12 |
| sebsebseb | they will still go SUSE probaby | Nov 15 23:12 |
| sebsebseb | after all these are people who want to put Skype on the remasters to | Nov 15 23:13 |
| sebsebseb | yep that's right Skype, and Jitsi to though | Nov 15 23:13 |
| MinceR | saying it at this point might not matter much to them | Nov 15 23:13 |
| sebsebseb | with other codecs pre installed, Skype isn't really meant tobe distributed like that or whatever, and they want Flash to etc | Nov 15 23:13 |
| MinceR | but if they get used to the wrong distro and DE, it might cause them trouble on the long run | Nov 15 23:13 |
| MinceR | it can also cause the rest of us trouble on the long run | Nov 15 23:13 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: and you said earlier that remaseters were ointless or kind of thing, don't g thorugh proper testing etc etc i yep I had simialr fro ipphk (not here at the mment). they want re masetsrssince well it's not really a install fest now | Nov 15 23:14 |
| sebsebseb | it's a live sesions showing thing | Nov 15 23:14 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: the end user? if they start with th worn distro and de? | Nov 15 23:14 |
| MinceR | some remasters don't need a lot of testing though | Nov 15 23:15 |
| sebsebseb | the wrong distroandde | Nov 15 23:15 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: yes | Nov 15 23:15 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: sure, but maybe Mageia would have been that right distro with the rightDE etc | Nov 15 23:15 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Nov 15 23:15 |
| sebsebseb | then it's not in for the event | Nov 15 23:15 |
| sebsebseb | since hwtever | Nov 15 23:15 |
| MinceR | if a remaster just takes a reliable distro and changes some images and default packages, i don't see much chance for trouble | Nov 15 23:15 |
| ThistleWeb | +1 | Nov 15 23:15 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: well yes that's the idea, for the remater to pre install all the updates, and some addiotnal apps, that's all | Nov 15 23:15 |
| MinceR | stability-wise, i mean | Nov 15 23:16 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Nov 15 23:16 |
| sebsebseb | however certian updats could still cause issus ossbily | Nov 15 23:16 |
| sebsebseb | new kernel etc | Nov 15 23:16 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 15 23:17 |
| sebsebseb | and then for cut down version, Open SUSE guy wants to make smething himself, which I guess is mor than just a standard remaster | Nov 15 23:17 |
| sebsebseb | and so if so is ikely to have more issues possbily | Nov 15 23:17 |
| sebsebseb | and t won't be supported by a distro properly I gues, een if it's some Open SUSE bsed thing made with Open SUSE buil d studio or whtever he wants too do | Nov 15 23:17 |
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| sebsebseb | and for realy old computers Puppy Linux would be better I guess | Nov 15 23:18 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: MinceR I wss actsaully recomended agaist doing a reaster of Mageia, because it won't be a offial ISO, won't have al the QA work done to it etc | Nov 15 23:18 |
| sebsebseb | that was the Mageia QA woman | Nov 15 23:18 |
| MinceR | well, it's true | Nov 15 23:18 |
| MinceR | the question is, how much does it matter :) | Nov 15 23:19 |
| sebsebseb | she aso suggestd having the guy who mak the offical ISO's making them for me, which he ssid he would, but unless he makes son this wekend, I got to make myself it seems aia then, I need to make new one for Tuesday | Nov 15 23:19 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: or the thing is what is put i to a remaster, a nd that won't ust effet things, new kernel could etc | Nov 15 23:19 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 15 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | if the remaster isn't done right eough, that could cause issues to the distroitself | Nov 15 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | that woudn't be i the offical image | Nov 15 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | and then the user blames the distro | Nov 15 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | when realy it was the remaster, that's what se woried about to a bit I think | Nov 15 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | she | Nov 15 23:20 |
| MinceR | might be safer to try distros that use multiple live images already :> | Nov 15 23:20 |
| MinceR | s/use/provide/ | Nov 15 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: in a way making a remaster, kind of spits on all the QA work etc, as in ike oh well I can make soething betterso | Nov 15 23:20 |
| MinceR | what is the goal of your remaster? | Nov 15 23:21 |
| sebsebseb | uhmm "their remaster" | Nov 15 23:21 |
| sebsebseb | they are the ones wating remsters not me | Nov 15 23:21 |
| MinceR | then theirs | Nov 15 23:21 |
| sebsebseb | the goal is to pre install all the updates to the creation of the remaster, and some other addiontal apps that Joe and Jane averge may want pre intalled | Nov 15 23:21 |
| MinceR | at least that seems to be one of the easier things to test, if the additional apps were already in the official repo | Nov 15 23:22 |
| sebsebseb | yep they will be from offil repo's | Nov 15 23:23 |
| sebsebseb | howver still if putting in certina updates might effect other things | Nov 15 23:23 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I guess I am probaby voted out on Tuesday anyway | Nov 15 23:23 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: and so won't be making remasters of Magiea 4 for the even | Nov 15 23:24 |
| sebsebseb | and possibly givig the distro a bad name some how | Nov 15 23:24 |
| sebsebseb | I mean if hte remaster isn't done well enough or something | Nov 15 23:24 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I guess if some come to the LUG meeting | Nov 15 23:24 |
| MinceR | crunchbang has an advantage with those things | Nov 15 23:24 |
| sebsebseb | can try and get hte usig Mageia later :d | Nov 15 23:24 |
| MinceR | as it asks in the postinstall script whether you want to update everything right away | Nov 15 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | or talk to them at the event if some time and say it's al about choice etc, and .... | Nov 15 23:25 |
| MinceR | and asks whether to install some additional things like java | Nov 15 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yeah and there's a nice tool for remstienrg Opensuse | Nov 15 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | and smeting else for MInt | Nov 15 23:25 |
| MinceR | not skype though, iirc | Nov 15 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: of course not | Nov 15 23:27 |
| sebsebseb | that's | Nov 15 23:27 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Skype isn't meant to be distributed by distros | Nov 15 23:27 |
| sebsebseb | can get it off the Skype site diretly through some script htough | Nov 15 23:27 |
| sebsebseb | the Skype server | Nov 15 23:27 |
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| DaemonFC | Jarrett Terrill | Nov 16 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | 7 hours ago near Fort Wayne · | Nov 16 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | So there was big drama at my apartment complex yesterday... Evidently, there's been this crazy blonde woman who has been scamming all the residents here by pretending her car broke down and then when she gets inside your apartment, she starts threatening you until you agree to cook her a meal and give her all your money... #WeirdStuff #IWouldntFallForIt | Nov 16 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer So you've met my former neighbor? LOL The one I told you about. The one that was constantly knocking on my doors and windows, drunk, trying to get me to have sex with her. She fried her brain so bad, she couldn't even remember my name. One day, she knocked on the window. "Kyle! Kyle! I know you're in there! I heard your toilet flush!". "Kyle, do you want to go to Applebees? It's two for $20!". There were men going in and out of | Nov 16 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | that apartment every single day. Things that make you go "Bleh!". | Nov 16 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer I was talking about this woman with my stepdad one day. I asked how the hell she could get away with being $4,000 behind on her rent. He said "Maybe she's taking the landord in and giving him some EEE EEE EEE EEE!!" (noise like mattress springs bouncing up and down). I was like "Oh hell to the no! That's just wrong. My brain is melting!!! Damn it!" | Nov 16 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | a few seconds ago · Like | Nov 16 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | Jarrett Terrill LOL... Ryan Farmer - Remember how those ambulances and school buses and firetrucks were all trying to park in my complex? That was ALL because of her... seriously. | Nov 16 02:14 |
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| interlocutor | Any technocrats here? | Nov 16 02:37 |
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| prurigro | interlocutor: the problem I have with technocracy is that whenever science gets political, the political people move in and stop it from being science | Nov 16 03:53 |
| interlocutor | prurigro: unfortunately technocracy has been unfairly asserted as a "political" system of governance, when in fact it's completely apolitical | Nov 16 04:06 |
| prurigro | how so? | Nov 16 04:07 |
| interlocutor | I like the following quote: Technocracy is: "The rule of the people made effective through the agency of their servants: the scientists and engineers." ~ William Henry Smyth | Nov 16 04:08 |
| prurigro | are you talking more about removing high level politicians from a country's non-social decisions? | Nov 16 04:08 |
| prurigro | how does money get ditributed? | Nov 16 04:08 |
| prurigro | I'd still call this political, being that it's in the realm of what we currently all political | Nov 16 04:09 |
| prurigro | unless I'm misunderstanding | Nov 16 04:09 |
| prurigro | currently call* | Nov 16 04:09 |
| prurigro | like, the ipcc was meant to help make political decisions, but also be apolitical | Nov 16 04:10 |
| interlocutor | well there should be a distinction between being technocratic and achieving technocracy | Nov 16 04:10 |
| prurigro | true | Nov 16 04:11 |
| interlocutor | it's much the same distinction between socialism and communism | Nov 16 04:11 |
| prurigro | socialism and communism are extremely different, if you look at what socialism actually is | Nov 16 04:11 |
| prurigro | china confused the terminology for that one though | Nov 16 04:11 |
| prurigro | imo | Nov 16 04:11 |
| interlocutor | well technocracy is much the same in that you can have a technocratic state of many makeups. you can even have an accomplished technocracy of a few various designs. | Nov 16 04:12 |
| interlocutor | It's difficult to discuss in real terms because it's an idea which has very little mindshare and so has had very little written about it, especially contemporarily | Nov 16 04:12 |
| prurigro | true, I suppose my view on why it wouldn't succeed has stemmed from an implementation that didn't work | Nov 16 04:12 |
| interlocutor | I'm trying to change that | Nov 16 04:12 |
| prurigro | I've actually but a bunch of thought into what I consider a variation of technocracy | Nov 16 04:13 |
| prurigro | though the checks and balance part has been tricky | Nov 16 04:13 |
| interlocutor | Well if you mean the "Technical Alliance" of Technocracy, Inc in the 1930s, it never even reached the implementation phase | Nov 16 04:13 |
| prurigro | but I've always thought any decision that has a scientific field attached to it, should only be possible to make by a politician after getting so many signatures by proffessionals in that field, and those signatures would be as binding as when an engineer signs off on a building | Nov 16 04:14 |
| prurigro | so basically, have professionals stake their reputation on it, within reason | Nov 16 04:15 |
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| prurigro | reputation is the best check and balance I can think of though | Nov 16 04:16 |
| interlocutor | prurigro: you know, I really just need to get these ideas all down into a form that can be redistributed. I have explained my conception of a technocracy so many times it's become a chore! lol :) | Nov 16 04:16 |
| prurigro | hah, well if your definition doesn't line up with the wikipedia one, maybe you should help modify it? | Nov 16 04:17 |
| prurigro | and if it does, just link people there | Nov 16 04:17 |
| interlocutor | I'll have to publish before I can alter the wiki | Nov 16 04:17 |
| prurigro | if there's nothing aleady published that reflects what you feel it is, are you actually correct in your definition | Nov 16 04:18 |
| interlocutor | Actually I could cite extant sources but that article is overseen by skip sievert who is a total asshole and reverts nearly everyone's edits | Nov 16 04:18 |
| prurigro | ? | Nov 16 04:18 |
| prurigro | lol | Nov 16 04:18 |
| prurigro | sounds like wikipedia | Nov 16 04:18 |
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| interlocutor | yep | Nov 16 04:18 |
| interlocutor | prurigro: are you around here much? | Nov 16 04:19 |
| prurigro | I had someone remove a page I was viewing while I was viewing it because "this isn't important relevant to warrant a page"-- if someone unrelated to it is researching it, I'm pretty sure it's somewhat relevant | Nov 16 04:20 |
| prurigro | interlocutor: yup- I've been idling here for a few years now | Nov 16 04:20 |
| interlocutor | sweet | Nov 16 04:20 |
| prurigro | the bnc helps | Nov 16 04:20 |
| prurigro | lol | Nov 16 04:20 |
| prurigro | err relevant enough-- meant to switch important to that, not enough :) | Nov 16 04:21 |
| prurigro | interlocutor: why you ask? gonna follow up? | Nov 16 04:22 |
| interlocutor | Well here's a passage from one of the first works on technocracy, from the very first page: to live, to make, to take, to control — are as essential in modern social life as at any time in the past. But all of these urges in a living democracy should be controlled without being controlled. To achieve this seeming paradox we must have a great national purpose, and unselfish leadership such as could come through a Nation | Nov 16 04:22 |
| interlocutor | that's from ideas of the late 1890s | Nov 16 04:22 |
| prurigro | hm, this certainly doesn't sound apolitical | Nov 16 04:23 |
| interlocutor | What we can extrapolate is that the author is expounding on an idea where democracy should be "controlled without being controlled" | Nov 16 04:23 |
| interlocutor | these are primitive ideas regarding technocracy | Nov 16 04:24 |
| prurigro | this feels like a required underpinning of it, if anything | Nov 16 04:24 |
| interlocutor | as we have moved into the digital age, it becomes clear how the relationship of citizens and their servants, the technocrats, should relate to eachother | Nov 16 04:24 |
| prurigro | you have to convince people to organize, somehow | Nov 16 04:24 |
| interlocutor | The goal of technocracy in our age is primarily to forumulate, develop, and maintain the productive forces of society to precipitate a superabundant condition of the material and operant conditions of everyone. | Nov 16 04:26 |
| interlocutor | It makes no prescriptions of political context, other than the assent of the people to create a society predicated on post-capitalist super-abundance | Nov 16 04:26 |
| prurigro | so what you're saying is that it requires politics, but doesn't specify them | Nov 16 04:27 |
| prurigro | I guess I was saying political in that the primary elements to establishing it would be through what politics currently controls | Nov 16 04:28 |
| interlocutor | Absolutely | Nov 16 04:28 |
| prurigro | though perhaps my variation on technocracy is more of an implementation | Nov 16 04:28 |
| prurigro | and whether or not it is, would depend on how successful it is | Nov 16 04:29 |
| interlocutor | I'm trying to establish a new technocratic movement called the Technocratic Union. Our stated mission is not to jump into Technocracy, merely that we're "Dedicated to Advancing the Role of STEM Disciplines in the Formulation of Public Policy" | Nov 16 04:29 |
| prurigro | I think most people would get behind that | Nov 16 04:30 |
| prurigro | everyone but the folks already making decisions | Nov 16 04:30 |
| interlocutor | The first steps are numerous and small, and center primarily on advancing the role of science and engineering in the prevailing political climate | Nov 16 04:30 |
| prurigro | I think statistics should be in there too | Nov 16 04:30 |
| interlocutor | that's the M of STEM :) | Nov 16 04:30 |
| interlocutor | Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math | Nov 16 04:31 |
| prurigro | ahh, do they get to fall into math? | Nov 16 04:31 |
| interlocutor | Statisticians are considered Mathematicians, yes | Nov 16 04:31 |
| prurigro | well then | Nov 16 04:31 |
| interlocutor | :) | Nov 16 04:31 |
| prurigro | some mathy fields are somehow not considered that; I'd kinda assumed that was one | Nov 16 04:31 |
| prurigro | what do you think of my reputation implemenation? | Nov 16 04:32 |
| prurigro | works for engineering currently | Nov 16 04:32 |
| prurigro | for private stuff | Nov 16 04:32 |
| prurigro | I just thought of another angle I think should be employed | Nov 16 04:33 |
| prurigro | decisions should be made with expected results attached to them, which are also being signed off on | Nov 16 04:33 |
| prurigro | if the expected results are not met, the decision should be undone (law unmade) | Nov 16 04:33 |
| prurigro | a time limit would need to be attached of course, and justified | Nov 16 04:34 |
| interlocutor | yes, definitely. taking a scientific, results based approach to public policy formulation | Nov 16 04:34 |
| prurigro | too many shitty laws don't pan out, yet remain because of how much work it is to undo a law (pretty well the same amount as to create it) | Nov 16 04:34 |
| Snowleaksange | i take a scientific, results based approach to predicting the weather | Nov 16 04:35 |
| Snowleaksange | but doesnt mean its very successful | Nov 16 04:35 |
| prurigro | Snowleaksange: so using this system, you could put your umbrella away if it turns out not to rain | Nov 16 04:36 |
| prurigro | the current system means you're holding it despite sunny skies, all day | Nov 16 04:36 |
| prurigro | interlocutor: if you're trying to do this, my suggestion is to implement checks and balance as a means of enforcement, all the way up; a lack of them is why the USSA's once decent political system has in my opinion been unravelling | Nov 16 04:38 |
| interlocutor | US politics are ruined because it's based on an obsolete document written over 200 years ago | Nov 16 04:39 |
| prurigro | wouldn't that statement be something of a fallacy? :) | Nov 16 04:40 |
| interlocutor | This sounds hyperbolic, but in my mind we're about 1000 years more advanced than the writers of the constitution could have imagined we'd be | Nov 16 04:40 |
| prurigro | sure, but it's been ammended, and its laws still somewhat apply, not to mention that there's a huge set of rules aside from those ones | Nov 16 04:41 |
| interlocutor | Can you imagine telling them we've have devices we hold in our hands which can instantaneously, through thin air, retrieve nearly the entire sum of all human knowledge? | Nov 16 04:41 |
| interlocutor | srry typos | Nov 16 04:41 |
| prurigro | the canadian bill of rights is pretty old, but it's still applicable and agreeable | Nov 16 04:42 |
| prurigro | I don't see how having or not having a smart phone would relate to a rule on gun control | Nov 16 04:42 |
| prurigro | and the one on privacy, to my understanding, would actually be a good thing in relation to smart phones if it was actually being observed | Nov 16 04:43 |
| prurigro | then again, I'm no expert on american law | Nov 16 04:43 |
| interlocutor | My wife needs me, I need to take off, probably for the night. I'll definitely check in from time to time and converse, seems we have a lot to discuss :) | Nov 16 04:44 |
| prurigro | sounds good- enjoy your night! | Nov 16 04:44 |
| interlocutor | you too | Nov 16 04:44 |
| prurigro | thanks | Nov 16 04:44 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3293438 | Nov 16 09:58 |
| schestowitz | Um, yes... that's what they're likely aiming for... or at least enough of them to create a chilling effect." | Nov 16 09:58 |
| schestowitz | "There's that word again, "content". Why don't people call these things revision management systems?" https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3293056 | Nov 16 09:59 |
| schestowitz | 'Um, because generally they don't manage multiple revisions of any given piece of content... (without extra plugins). At least not last time I checked Wordpress / Joomla." | Nov 16 09:59 |
| schestowitz | "OK then, call it a site management system. Content is a dirty word." | Nov 16 09:59 |
| schestowitz | I agree with Will. And WordPress has had revision management since around 2007.... | Nov 16 10:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 16 10:00 |
| schestowitz | [content] regards these works as a commodity whose purpose is to fill a box and make money. In effect, it disparages the works themselves. | Nov 16 10:00 |
| schestowitz | This seems like over-analysis to me. | Nov 16 10:00 |
| schestowitz | ' | Nov 16 10:00 |
| schestowitz | "Nah, it's the way newspapers and commercial publications work. The whole AP style was developed so they could trim column inches off stories, aka "content", so they would fit around the advertisements. Ask any journalist if you don't believe what Courtney Love had to say about it." | Nov 16 10:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 16 10:01 |
| schestowitz | My mother was a journalist. For 30 years. | Nov 16 10:01 |
| schestowitz | My B.A. is in mass communication, my M.A. is in speech communication. I'm now in a Ph.D. program. | Nov 16 10:01 |
| schestowitz | Are you really calling my bluff? | Nov 16 10:01 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 16 10:01 |
| schestowitz | "And by the way, Courtney Love was no journalist. I trust what she has to say about the recording industry. But I would not dare generalize her claims beyond it, and I don't believe that she intends for her claims to be generalized beyond it." | Nov 16 10:01 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3291817 | Nov 16 10:02 |
| schestowitz | It's good news as long as they are not working for nasty companies like Microsoft. No one should do that but we know that those companies intentionally hire rights compromised people, such as H1B "guest workers". This only makes things worse for all of us. Tech factories in China use women because they are easier to abuse. People who work at Microsoft walk away with bad culture and skills that mostly work with non free tools, bad | Nov 16 10:02 |
| schestowitz | habits that need to be unlearned." | Nov 16 10:02 |
| schestowitz | Interesting point there about China... | Nov 16 10:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 16 10:03 |
| schestowitz | I hope these positions aren't being filled by women "because they're women" and are instead being filled by women "because they're technically proficient and a good fit for the job." I certainly know there are women out there that are great techies, I'm just hoping businesses aren't hiring them for all the wrong reasons. | Nov 16 10:03 |
| schestowitz | Women getting jobs "because they're women" (or really, in any situation where it's "because they're X") is bad for everyone and can lead to an extremely hostile workplace. | Nov 16 10:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 16 10:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3291886 | Nov 16 10:03 |
| schestowitz | "Bill Gates shares it with China." | Nov 16 10:03 |
| schestowitz | He likes to share... among other plutocrats and abusers... like he shared with coporations (e.g. News Corp) "content" he harvests from students in schools,. | Nov 16 10:04 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3288558 | Nov 16 10:11 |
| schestowitz | "Hosting on AWS? What could go wrong?" | Nov 16 10:11 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3291874 | Nov 16 10:14 |
| schestowitz | "Think of the children" | Nov 16 10:14 |
| schestowitz | because they can't think for themselves. Let's give their generation mass surveillance... | Nov 16 10:15 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3288558 | Nov 16 10:16 |
| schestowitz | "OpenSSH works for my hoards. Boa works for what I can share." | Nov 16 10:16 |
| iophk | Bait title, but in short no filters: | Nov 16 10:19 |
| iophk | http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=da&tl=en&u=http://politiken.dk/forbrugogliv/digitalt/internet/ECE2133647/vi-vil-ikke-begraense-vores-boerns-adgang-til-netporno/ | Nov 16 10:19 |
| iophk | "81 percent of Danes think that it is the responsibility of parents to protect children from porn on the net." | Nov 16 10:20 |
| iophk | parenting - imagine that | Nov 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | what questiion was asked? | Nov 16 10:23 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like a loaded question, whatever it is [tl'dr] | Nov 16 10:23 |
| schestowitz | A lot of people frame it as a very important issue | Nov 16 10:24 |
| schestowitz | even when it's not | Nov 16 10:24 |
| schestowitz | I first saw pr0n, accidentally, at the age of like 10 | Nov 16 10:24 |
| schestowitz | I found a tape | Nov 16 10:24 |
| schestowitz | later I found some distry magazine when myself and some kids at schools found it laying around a tree | Nov 16 10:24 |
| schestowitz | the point is, many children will inevitably see such things | Nov 16 10:25 |
| schestowitz | them being exposed to pr0n is not the same as being molested | Nov 16 10:25 |
| iophk | I think that was the Danish point. | Nov 16 10:25 |
| iophk | Otherwise, in most other regions, people forget about parental responsibility to guide the development of their own kids. | Nov 16 10:25 |
| schestowitz | moreover, child abuse seems to be an overinflated problem, designed to portray all men of borderline pedophile and widely be seen as suspicious and not worth trusting (as much as government) even within their own family | Nov 16 10:26 |
| iophk | Yes scaremongering | Nov 16 10:26 |
| schestowitz | that's one theory that a friend shared once upon a time | Nov 16 10:26 |
| schestowitz | and it sounds partly plausible | Nov 16 10:26 |
| iophk | Aside from that, filters don't work. | Nov 16 10:26 |
| schestowitz | the chance of some guy trying to rape your little daughter is far less than her getting run over | Nov 16 10:27 |
| iophk | Well they have been breaking the family smaller and smaller, there's really almost nothing left to break. | Nov 16 10:27 |
| schestowitz | So the question is, what should we really focus in within the circles of the media? | Nov 16 10:27 |
| iophk | Industrialization did that. | Nov 16 10:27 |
| schestowitz | families are not divided into toom | Nov 16 10:27 |
| schestowitz | their only connection is, the little girl might take photos of her dad, upload them to Facebook, and tag his face | Nov 16 10:27 |
| iophk | Used to be cousins, aunts, uncles, etc. all near by. | Nov 16 10:27 |
| schestowitz | keeping us divided and helpless | Nov 16 10:28 |
| schestowitz | it helps deter protesting and unions for workers' rights | Nov 16 10:28 |
| schestowitz | erach to his own, people always suspicious of other people | Nov 16 10:28 |
| iophk | divide and conquer | Nov 16 10:28 |
| schestowitz | no empathy, no cooperation, just competition and back-stabbing | Nov 16 10:28 |
| iophk | and extra sales | Nov 16 10:28 |
| schestowitz | champiuoned by national heroes like Jobs and gates | Nov 16 10:29 |
| schestowitz | and TRUMP | Nov 16 10:29 |
| iophk | why sell 1 sofa to a couple when the same company can sell 2 to divorcees | Nov 16 10:29 |
| schestowitz | Did you know he now runs the biggest beauty pageants? | Nov 16 10:29 |
| schestowitz | And they hail him loike he's some kind of hero/Sugar daddy | Nov 16 10:29 |
| schestowitz | iophk: yes | Nov 16 10:29 |
| schestowitz | I heard this divorce theory too | Nov 16 10:29 |
| schestowitz | more consumption | Nov 16 10:29 |
| iophk | the auto companies want to sell 3 cars to each couple | Nov 16 10:30 |
| schestowitz | and if a man pays the woman who raises no child anyway, then the man is further paralysed and unable to engage in activism | Nov 16 10:30 |
| iophk | heard that from the inside | Nov 16 10:30 |
| schestowitz | interesting | Nov 16 10:31 |
| iophk | that was in the 90's but it can't have changed | Nov 16 10:31 |
| iophk | given how they fight any other forms of transport, especially mass transit, but even electric cars | Nov 16 10:32 |
| schestowitz | not been too successful in the UK | Nov 16 10:33 |
| schestowitz | public transport is being shored up here | Nov 16 10:33 |
| iophk | read about the Georgia Olympics in the US. They couldn't even do it for a few weeks. | Nov 16 10:33 |
| iophk | Athletes missed events and such. | Nov 16 10:34 |
| iophk | For commutes, public transport is very effective. | Nov 16 10:34 |
| iophk | It might take a bit longer, usually not much, but in some cases it is fastest. | Nov 16 10:34 |
| iophk | Either way, the time can be used productively: reading or other stuff that can take attention | Nov 16 10:35 |
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| Snowleaksange | http://chennai2013.fide.com/anand-carlsen-video-with-commentary/ | Nov 16 10:42 |
| Snowleaksange | live chess champs btw | Nov 16 10:42 |
| oiaohm | In is interesting that the NSA is now talking about doing a audit on the documents they have to keep classifed. | Nov 16 11:12 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3291874 | Nov 16 11:42 |
| schestowitz | "Terrorism everywhere!" | Nov 16 11:42 |
| schestowitz | yes, NSA is everywhere... | Nov 16 11:42 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3293419 | Nov 16 11:44 |
| schestowitz | "If it is of any interest I purchased a preloaded lenovo Z570 from the Linux Emporium in Birmingham. I have re-loaded it a few times with various distros and have no complaints." | Nov 16 11:44 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286139 | Nov 16 11:45 |
| schestowitz | "What Jake says is consistent with my own experience. These days, even as desperate as I am, I refuse to consider working at that level. Employers revel in the idea that workers should be infinitely replaceable. The idea that they should be paid anything even close to a living wage (in some areas, $15 would still be well below that) will be anathema." | Nov 16 11:46 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3292796 | Nov 16 11:46 |
| schestowitz | More coffee ?" | Nov 16 11:46 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 16 11:46 |
| schestowitz | "@Mulk, want some Java fork :-)?" | Nov 16 11:46 |
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| iophk | The 3 car marketing goal was 1 for him, 1 for her and one for them to use together, assuming they had any time over from work and commute. | Nov 16 12:41 |
| iophk | http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wiiu/support/oss/ | Nov 16 12:53 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-firepro-s10000-12gb,25083.html#xtor=RSS-999 | Nov 16 14:30 |
| Sosumi | love that passive cooler | Nov 16 14:31 |
| MinceR | geekings | Nov 16 14:54 |
| MinceR | Pawel Kuczynski | Nov 16 15:37 |
| MinceR | oops | Nov 16 15:37 |
| MinceR | Pawel Kuczynski - Brainwashing >> https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/q92/1383647_717098591652056_1075197422_n.jpg | Nov 16 15:37 |
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| sebsebseb | ping iophk | Nov 16 17:39 |
| iophk | pong sebsebseb | Nov 16 17:39 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: sounds ike if I props 1 interface for more than one distro | Nov 16 17:39 |
| sebsebseb | than it wil probably be just one interface per distro stil | Nov 16 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't think Mageia has much of a chance whtever I propose | Nov 16 17:41 |
| iophk | try anyway | Nov 16 17:41 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and then it's aos how do I propse etc uh | Nov 16 17:41 |
| iophk | but the best time to make the proposal would have been earlier | Nov 16 17:41 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: proposals like this only been done for about a week or two now | Nov 16 17:41 |
| sebsebseb | before that all this was just a genral idea | Nov 16 17:42 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: he's done funding and venue first | Nov 16 17:42 |
| iophk | right, but being first has an advantage | Nov 16 17:42 |
| sebsebseb | and now this is the next big thing to decide | Nov 16 17:42 |
| iophk | IMHO the GUI was the next big thing | Nov 16 17:42 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: he was firt | Nov 16 17:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: he was first whe he siad about doing proposls | Nov 16 17:45 |
| sebsebseb | GUI and distros going together | Nov 16 17:45 |
| sebsebseb | and probably only one interface per distro or whatever | Nov 16 17:45 |
| iophk | That over-complicates the decision | Nov 16 17:45 |
| iophk | then people are voting on distros more than GUI | Nov 16 17:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I am meant to propose what I realy wat, but can make as many proposals as I want | Nov 16 17:46 |
| iophk | Make a few then. | Nov 16 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | they need to be clear and precie | Nov 16 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | I started doing some yesteray | Nov 16 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | for 2 distros, 3 distros and 4 distors | Nov 16 17:46 |
| iophk | Nice | Nov 16 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | for the four distros | Nov 16 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | that's the only time menitoned Open SUSE | Nov 16 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I had Mint and Ubuntu in all of those proposals | Nov 16 17:47 |
| iophk | Mint is redundant if Ubuntu is there | Nov 16 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | I could do a if Unity, I prose Ubuntu | Nov 16 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | if Cnnamon I prose MInt | Nov 16 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yep I am ot so kee on it either really | Nov 16 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu twice realy or pretty much | Nov 16 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | just diffenret interfaces | Nov 16 17:48 |
| iophk | yes | Nov 16 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | just difenret interfaces and some other minor changes | Nov 16 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe I shoud do like he didfor GNOME 2 | Nov 16 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | if GNOME I propse GNOME 2 | Nov 16 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | that's what he was ike | Nov 16 17:48 |
| iophk | GNOME2 is EOL | Nov 16 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I Thin he meant Mate, but yeah | Nov 16 17:48 |
| iophk | Mate is probably what he meant | Nov 16 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | Mate and Cinnamon don't realy fix ccertain bugs that GNOE have fixed as wel | Nov 16 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | apparnatly | Nov 16 17:49 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so our GNOME Magiea packager, who's on the upstream GNOME release team caled, them unmaintained | Nov 16 17:49 |
| iophk | Like I said, GNOME is over. ;) | Nov 16 17:50 |
| iophk | KDE is Free and so is Qt. | Nov 16 17:50 |
| iophk | So the original purpose is gone. Then there is the hideous M$ style registry underneath. | Nov 16 17:51 |
| iophk | XFCE is the one that has undergone the surge in popularity. | Nov 16 17:55 |
| iophk | I has picked up people pushed out by Unity and by GNOME3 | Nov 16 17:55 |
| iophk | *it | Nov 16 17:55 |
| iophk | It's not light but it's not heavy either. | Nov 16 17:55 |
| MinceR | as the original purpose was gone, gnome stopped copying kde and started copying macos | Nov 16 17:55 |
| MinceR | and became pointless | Nov 16 17:55 |
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| sebsebseb | iophk: MinceR they seem to want Cinnamon not XFCE | Nov 16 18:13 |
| iophk | The public seems to want XFCE, but Cinnamon can be an additional option. | Nov 16 18:15 |
| iophk | Unity, KDE, XFCE and Cinnamon | Nov 16 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Cinnamn is the option for Mint if that | Nov 16 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Mae is the additional for Mint or possbily | Nov 16 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Mageia is out for KDE it seems, since they seem to want openSUSE for that three of them | Nov 16 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | three out of the five of us | Nov 16 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | maybe that other guy to I don't know | Nov 16 18:18 |
| iophk | It's kind of late to be talking up Mageia. | Nov 16 18:18 |
| iophk | But make your proposals | Nov 16 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: taking up? | Nov 16 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: no this is how it was before proposlss to I GUESS | Nov 16 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | I don't think any of the others care about Mageia realy | Nov 16 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I already did a general proposal thing in my way a few days ago | Nov 16 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | ,but need something more clear | Nov 16 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: only two out of the five of us done propsoas in that document | Nov 16 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | event co ordinter and soeone else | Nov 16 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so two haven't done proposals there | Nov 16 18:20 |
| iophk | That's fine. | Nov 16 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | and then my thing needs re doing | Nov 16 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | however ther weill stil be three votes for openSUSE KDE it seems | Nov 16 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | even if openSUSE guy diidn't propse it in the document | Nov 16 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and so Magiea is out bicaly | Nov 16 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Nov 16 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | also for GNONME uhmm maybe that network issue wil be in 4 to | Nov 16 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: actsully the QA woman said to me like yeterday | Nov 16 18:21 |
| iophk | You seem to have given up on Mageia some weeks ago. | Nov 16 18:21 |
| iophk | You should make your proposal anyway. | Nov 16 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | I Woudn't recommended GNOME for Magiea, not until the network manager issue is fixed | Nov 16 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | there's a issue that effects 3 or some of us, I had the issue | Nov 16 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | there's drakconnect and networkmanager, and they can conflict and then Intenret issues | Nov 16 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think Magea is going to lose, but that's what I been thinking, I should make proposals anyway | Nov 16 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | and do the talk etc | Nov 16 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | and if it gets voted out, or fals on technial reasons r whatever, well a story to tel people etc | Nov 16 18:22 |
| iophk | yes | Nov 16 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: really how when a live session is loaded up an got to ocnfigure the language, and keyboard etc | Nov 16 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | and also accept a lisence agremetn which i realy the GPL and such | Nov 16 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | ,but like propiritary software | Nov 16 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | as in a lisnece agreemnt to accept, I have never liked that | Nov 16 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | about Mandriva/Magiea and maybe this will be a reaso they won't vote it in for the remster live thing? | Nov 16 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I mean really a distro that goes straight into a live session is genraly better in my case | Nov 16 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | or for this it may be | Nov 16 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Nov 16 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | I mean the addiotnal steps they are ok for us, but someone new etc, hmm | Nov 16 18:24 |
| iophk | a standard live dvd is best | Nov 16 18:25 |
| iophk | less to go wrong | Nov 16 18:26 |
| iophk | more tested | Nov 16 18:26 |
| iophk | also they can go for help anywhere, without the confusion of a non-standard setup | Nov 16 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | which non standard set up? | Nov 16 18:27 |
| iophk | remaster | Nov 16 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah and even my having a swag table with offical cd's | Nov 16 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | and posbly the remasters | Nov 16 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | they may not agree to that so hmm | Nov 16 18:28 |
| iophk | no need for a separate table | Nov 16 18:28 |
| iophk | you want to give out the swag in person | Nov 16 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | and then you kid of conurse people, why go with a rmater not the officlae or why have both | Nov 16 18:28 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3080726 | Nov 16 19:12 |
| schestowitz | "firefox is open but not firefoxos - they try to jail you in their store" | Nov 16 19:12 |
| iophk | Where are there informative reviews of FirefoxOS | Nov 16 19:13 |
| iophk | Even Android is quite closed. | Nov 16 19:13 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 16 19:14 |
| schestowitz | And I heard the same about Jolla | Nov 16 19:14 |
| schestowitz | phones are very freedom-hostile, HSM and all | Nov 16 19:14 |
| schestowitz | GSM | Nov 16 19:14 |
| schestowitz | and patents everywhere, not just backdoors and lockdow | Nov 16 19:15 |
| iophk | Openmoko was ok, for a smartphone. | Nov 16 19:15 |
| schestowitz | *down | Nov 16 19:15 |
| schestowitz | too free to success | Nov 16 19:15 |
| schestowitz | some said it would not get the OK for spectrum use and all | Nov 16 19:15 |
| iophk | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA04 | Nov 16 19:15 |
| schestowitz | that it would need compliance through strictness, blobs, and back doors | Nov 16 19:15 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3291886 | Nov 16 19:16 |
| schestowitz | "The weak alliances between plutocrats is something people should be more aware of. We are mostly in the dark because plutocrats are allowed to purchase all of our media and distribution channels." | Nov 16 19:16 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3298264 | Nov 16 19:17 |
| schestowitz | 'All we really need in tablets is software freedom. I'd like to be able to buy a "Linux" tablet, but what I'm really looking for is the ability to flash it to whatever I want." | Nov 16 19:17 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3298283 | Nov 16 19:18 |
| schestowitz | "Matlab license are to expensive, Freemat is superior alternative. Thanks for reminding me." | Nov 16 19:18 |
| interlocutor | Pirate Mathematica. | Nov 16 19:20 |
| schestowitz | naa | Nov 16 19:23 |
| schestowitz | use gnu octave | Nov 16 19:23 |
| schestowitz | kick the habit | Nov 16 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | illegally using the propriuetary ones like maple and maylab helps them | Nov 16 19:23 |
| schestowitz | same for photoshop and windows | Nov 16 19:24 |
| schestowitz | They WANT you to do this if you're not gonna pay anyway | Nov 16 19:24 |
| iophk | helps them with marketshare, even if they temporarily don't gain an extra sale | Nov 16 19:24 |
| MinceR | still helps them less than paying them for it | Nov 16 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft prefers zero-cost users than non-Windows uers | Nov 16 19:24 |
| iophk | Piracy is an acknowledged part of M$ marketing. | Nov 16 19:24 |
| schestowitz | RMS says it like this | Nov 16 19:25 |
| iophk | That's because the monopoly is more valuable than the product. | Nov 16 19:25 |
| schestowitz | If you have the option between paying for proprietary or illegally using it, do the latter | Nov 16 19:25 |
| schestowitz | because the latter does nothing to help the developers do something unethical | Nov 16 19:25 |
| schestowitz | but the best option is to never use it | Nov 16 19:26 |
| schestowitz | and to use FS instea | Nov 16 19:26 |
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| MinceR | indeed | Nov 16 19:31 |
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| iophk | eWeek has shuffled its archives. | Nov 16 20:24 |
| iophk | http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1561770,00.asp | Nov 16 20:24 |
| iophk | should have gone to an article about Sun | Nov 16 20:24 |
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| interlocutor | http://www.globalresearch.ca/convicted-hacker-jeremy-hammond-exposed-us-plan-to-criminalize-democratic-dissent-in-america/5358343 | Nov 16 21:02 |
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| Snowleaksange | http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/11/05/goldman-sachs-thinks-it-can-make-money-by-being-a-do-gooder/ | Nov 16 23:43 |
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| DaemonFC | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Pear-OS-8-Could-Arrive-on-Microsoft-Surface-Tablet-398758.shtml | Nov 10 02:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | news.softpedia.com | Pear OS 8 Could Arrive for Microsoft Surface Tablet [ http://ur1.ca/g0ces ] | Nov 10 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | How do you get that to work? Don't those have Restricted Boot. | Nov 10 02:16 |
| DaemonFC | err ? | Nov 10 02:16 |
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| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/11/09/dutch-cyber-security-centre-points-to-gnulinux-to-replace-xp/ | Nov 10 02:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | Dutch Cyber Security Centre Points To GNU/Linux To Replace XP | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/g0chh ] | Nov 10 02:39 |
| DaemonFC | Why Debian? | Nov 10 02:43 |
| iophk | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/11/msg00410.html | Nov 10 02:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | lists.debian.org | Why Debian [ http://ur1.ca/g0chz ] | Nov 10 02:44 |
| iophk | ? | Nov 10 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | Too conservative. They also have too many derivatives that are detracting from the GNU/Linux one. | Nov 10 02:45 |
| iophk | stack ranking now at Yahoo. The damage continues. | Nov 10 02:54 |
| iophk | http://allthingsd.com/20131108/because-marissa-said-so-yahoos-bristle-at-mayers-new-qpr-ranking-system-and-silent-layoffs/ | Nov 10 02:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | allthingsd.com | "Because Marissa Said So" -- Yahoos Bristle at Mayer's New QPR Ranking - Kara Swisher - News - AllThingsD [ http://ur1.ca/g0cix ] | Nov 10 02:54 |
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| iophk | oldish - http://conferences.sigcomm.org/imc/2011/docs/p171.pdf | Nov 10 03:21 |
| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/european-parliament-considers-decriminalizing-file-sharing-131109/ | Nov 10 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | European Parliament Members Explore Decriminalizing File-Sharing | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/g08ah ] | Nov 10 05:08 |
| DaemonFC | "Giving the Linus Torvalds Award to the Free Software Foundation is a bit like giving the Han Solo Award to the Rebel Fleet. " | Nov 10 05:34 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Nov 10 05:34 |
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| Sosumi | the problem is that Han Solo doesn't need any award | Nov 10 06:05 |
| Sosumi | he got the princess | Nov 10 06:05 |
| DaemonFC | and a bunch of money | Nov 10 06:11 |
| Sosumi | yep, that too | Nov 10 06:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz has a problem with Lennart Poettering? | Nov 10 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | systemd and pulseaudio are free | Nov 10 06:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://techrights.org/2013/11/09/linux-foundation-focus/ | Nov 10 06:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Emphasises Technical Aspects, Not Freedom | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g0d6s ] | Nov 10 06:22 |
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| iophk | http://www.itwire.com/your-it-news/home-it/62189-pc-sales-in-spiralling-death-dive | Nov 10 06:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itwire.com | PC sales in spiralling death dive [ http://ur1.ca/g0da8 ] | Nov 10 06:55 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr9tfPowsMI | Nov 10 07:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Sheldon talks about Raj's pinworms - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/f6h5t ] | Nov 10 07:10 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGvKhhuc7BQ | Nov 10 07:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Daft Punk - Get Lucky (Karaoke) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g0ddc ] | Nov 10 07:14 |
| iophk | An interesting take. If tablets and smartphones count as computers, then the media will have to admit to Linux taking off. | Nov 10 07:36 |
| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/11/10/the-pc-industry-is-thriving/ | Nov 10 07:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | The PC Industry Is Thriving | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/g0dg1 ] | Nov 10 07:36 |
| iophk | df -h | Nov 10 07:45 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265565 | Nov 10 07:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ikey Doherty Gets a Great Job by Developing GNU/Linux, But What Does That Mean to Free Software? http://techrights.org/2013/11/08/solusos/ #gnu #linux | Nov 10 07:47 |
| schestowitz | "I'm talking about firmware, drivers and such, Will. Software that enables my computer to do stuff like - turn on, display stuff on the screen, accept input from a keyboard and mouse, etc. My next computer won't need any proprietary software to make it work (I'll get a "Linux-friendly" one), but I don't appreciate being treated like a leper in the FOSS community because I happen to have a machine that requires a few proprietary drivers | Nov 10 07:47 |
| schestowitz | and stuff. Stallman can polish my bat-pole if he doesn't like it." | Nov 10 07:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Ikey Doherty Gets a Great Job by Developing GNU/Linux, But What Does That Mean to Free Software? | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g05he ] | Nov 10 07:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 10 07:48 |
| schestowitz | @Robin - point your aggression into the right direction. | Nov 10 07:48 |
| schestowitz | RMS wants you to have all of your drivers free, open, available, stable and embedded in a GNU/Linux kernel. | Nov 10 07:48 |
| schestowitz | Hardware vendors don't want to open it all up, so they can still control where and to whom they give the specs - and pardon me, but the specs are really the most basic things you can give away. It doesn't hurt anyone to give out the specs. It's just about working together under many different OSs. They can give you the drivers, but they can't give you the specs? something isn't right here. Go figure what. | Nov 10 07:48 |
| schestowitz | So, keeping long things short - blame the bad guys - vendors - and not the good guys - RMS and Co. | Nov 10 07:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 10 07:48 |
| schestowitz | RMS is an important target for those who abuse their power, suggests experience. | Nov 10 07:48 |
| DaemonFC | People in tipped professions should be paid a fair hourly wage by their employer, and the cost should be built into the cost of the goods and/or services. The nature of the tipping system is such that prejudice can be used as excuse for the theft of someone's labor. I tip when it's expected, but I don't like the practice. | Nov 10 07:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/10/25/anti-gay-note-left-restaurant-check-lieu-tip?cmpid=tp-ptnr-alternet | Nov 10 07:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.takepart.com | Anti-Gay Note Left on Restaurant Check in Lieu of Tip [ http://ur1.ca/g0di3 ] | Nov 10 07:49 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3271981 | Nov 10 07:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Linus was asked if the US government ever wanted a backdoor added to Linux. He nodded "yes" while saying "no"." http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/life-forked-road?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+linuxjournalcom+%28Linux+Journal+-+The+Original+Magazine+of+the+Linux+Community%29 | Nov 10 07:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.linuxjournal.com | Life on the Forked Road | Linux Journal [ http://ur1.ca/g0dic ] | Nov 10 07:50 |
| iophk | RMS is a target because of the tradition of attacking the messenger. | Nov 10 07:50 |
| schestowitz | "Just don't use SELinux and other weird stuff and you're basically ok. That's the best advice I can give to people right now when it comes to GNU/Linux and NSA thing." | Nov 10 07:50 |
| schestowitz | iophk: yup | Nov 10 07:51 |
| schestowitz | gtg, bbl | Nov 10 07:51 |
| schestowitz | Got all your links in my browser now | Nov 10 07:51 |
| iophk | ok | Nov 10 07:51 |
| schestowitz | gotta rrush though, wife at the door waiting to leave.. | Nov 10 07:51 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/09/1254476/--15-Minimum-Wage-WINS-by-43-VOTES | Nov 10 09:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.dailykos.com | Daily Kos: $15 Minimum Wage WINS by 43 VOTES [ http://ur1.ca/g0dre ] | Nov 10 09:14 |
| DaemonFC | There's no reason why a $15 an hour minimum wage couldn't work. It's the law in Australia. Somehow, small business exists there. Go figure. In fact, the US has the lowest minimum wage of any country until you start counting the Third World. | Nov 10 09:14 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN9FPKai3Ik | Nov 10 09:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Bill Maher New Rules - When Did Christian Values Change From Love Thy Neighbor to F*ck Off & Die - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g0drz ] | Nov 10 09:19 |
| DaemonFC | "It looks like an actual $10, so you get the benefit of giving poor people hope and then crushing it, but on the back it says 'Some things are worth more than money, like your eternal salvation that was bought and paid for by Jesus going to the cross.'. Yeah, well, Jesus didn't have to put gas in the donkey." | Nov 10 09:21 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 10 09:21 |
| DaemonFC | "And beyond that, someone needs to tell these people that not tipping a gay waiter will not make him want to put his penis in a woman. It'll make him want to put his penis in your pasta primavera. " | Nov 10 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Nov 10 09:27 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. I'd have to say that if I was a waiter and someone left me a nasty note calling me a faggot and telling me that I wasn't getting a tip, I'd remember them and bring them something "special" next time. | Nov 10 09:29 |
| DaemonFC | I'll never forget the time I pwned my dad in an argument over marriage. | Nov 10 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | It's been about 10 years or so, so I'm a little fuzzy on the exact wording. | Nov 10 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | Dad: "Marriage is designed for a man and a woman so they can have children." | Nov 10 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | Me: "So, you and Jan should get cracking on that." | Nov 10 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | Dad: "Uhhh.... That's not what I meant. You know what I meant!" | Nov 10 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | Me: "Yes, I know you're grasping at straws there, but let's go to the next point. Does the world really need more people?" | Nov 10 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | Dad: "Well, it's not America that's the problem! It's those *OTHER* countries!" | Nov 10 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | Me: "Oh. You mean the undeveloped ones where it takes about twenty people to pollute the world as much each year as one American?" | Nov 10 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | It turns out that people that live primitively don't actually create much garbage or carbon dioxide emissions! It takes a country like the United States, where everyone has a car or two, central air, televisions, computers, etc. and the food is so overpackaged that you create a couple pounds of non-biodegradable trash every time you cook a meal. If I'm capable of figuring this out, wouldn't you suppose that a man with nine patents and a few | Nov 10 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | advanced college degrees could? | Nov 10 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not one of the people that's responsible for keeping this insanity going. When I die, there won't be anyone to replace me, and there doesn't need to be, because the human race will never be in danger of not reproducing quickly enough, on the whole, to surpass the death rate. | Nov 10 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | And I think that's where the conversation ended. | Nov 10 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | Now, there are those on the far right that really strongly oppose equal marriage rights, but it's because they're hoping that not being able to get married will sabotage LGBT relationships and cause them to fail. Then they can point to LGBT people and say "See! It never works out!". It probably does help people make a split second decision to break up when there's fewer things stopping them from doing it. That's a really wicked thing to do to | Nov 10 09:49 |
| DaemonFC | someone though. If that's what someone is up to, they should be ashamed of themselves. | Nov 10 09:49 |
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| iophk | A little old - http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg220a29415.700-an-oil-crash-is-on-its-way-and-we-should-be-ready.html | Nov 10 10:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.newscientist.com | There has been an error - New Scientist [ http://ur1.ca/g0e1g ] | Nov 10 10:20 |
| MinceR | geekings | Nov 10 10:29 |
| MinceR | what happened to the-source.com? | Nov 10 11:01 |
| iophk | what was it? | Nov 10 11:01 |
| MinceR | a useful blog | Nov 10 11:04 |
| MinceR | for example, it had this: https://web.archive.org/web/20121008021207/http://www.the-source.com/2010/12/mono-unsafe-at-any-speed/ | Nov 10 11:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | web.archive.org | Mono: Unsafe At Any Speed « The-Source.com [ http://ur1.ca/g0e7t ] | Nov 10 11:04 |
| iophk | netcraft has no historic data for it. It seems quite gone. | Nov 10 11:05 |
| MinceR | indeed. | Nov 10 11:05 |
| iophk | http://laboratory.zentyal.org/install-configure-zentyals-technology-preview-of-native-ms-exchange-replacement/ | Nov 10 11:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | laboratory.zentyal.org | Part I: Install & configure Zentyal’s Technology Preview of native MS Exchange replacement | Zentyal Labs [ http://ur1.ca/g0e8y ] | Nov 10 11:12 |
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| DaemonFC | They decided to bulldoze the Sandy Hook Elementary School and build a new one. It got me wondering if they'll do it again if there's a repeat shooting there. There haven't been any changes that will discourage gun violence. It may not happen there again, but it will happen somewhere. I used to own a gun when I lived somewhere that was not safe, but I sold it because I no longer wanted it in my house. I understand why people would want one | Nov 10 11:43 |
| DaemonFC | considering how much the police suck. I don't understand how anyone could *like* having one. | Nov 10 11:43 |
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| iophk | http://blog.feedly.com/2013/11/07/google-authentication/ | Nov 10 13:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | blog.feedly.com | Google+ Authentication [Rolled back!] | Building Feedly [ http://ur1.ca/g0eqa ] | Nov 10 13:17 |
| iophk | "The main lesson we learned here is that user should control how they want to login to login " | Nov 10 13:18 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/399612623869988864 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/399612222957441024 | Nov 10 14:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Tablets and smartphones are PCs!" http://t.co/tmEMbTNZq2 http://t.co/gEWCHFBh9e and they usually come with #linux | Nov 10 14:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> mrpogson.com | The PC Industry Is Thriving | Robert Pogson | Nov 10 14:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.itwire.com | PC sales in spiralling death dive | Nov 10 14:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Dutch Cyber Security Centre Points To GNU/Linux To Replace XP https://t.co/oyVeA96dJq http://t.co/X8L1WSKsD0 | Nov 10 14:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> joinup.ec.europa.eu | Dutch cyber security centre: Linux suitable for businesses | Joinup | Nov 10 14:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> mrpogson.com | Dutch Cyber Security Centre Points To GNU/Linux To Replace XP | Robert Pogson | Nov 10 14:02 |
| schestowitz | [16:12] <iophk> http://laboratory.zentyal.org/install-configure-zentyals-technology-preview-of-native-ms-exchange-replacement/ | Nov 10 14:06 |
| schestowitz | thanks, but it's not nre | Nov 10 14:06 |
| schestowitz | *nre | Nov 10 14:06 |
| schestowitz | *new | Nov 10 14:06 |
| iophk | not new but nearing release | Nov 10 14:06 |
| schestowitz | [16:01] <MinceR> what happened to the-source.com? | Nov 10 14:06 |
| schestowitz | ana mono-nono | Nov 10 14:06 |
| schestowitz | I last checked months ago and it had banished | Nov 10 14:07 |
| schestowitz | vanished | Nov 10 14:07 |
| MinceR | :/ | Nov 10 14:07 |
| schestowitz | what remains is in the Web Archive (except the stuff that burned in last week's fire) | Nov 10 14:07 |
| schestowitz | and some blockquotes in techrights | Nov 10 14:07 |
| schestowitz | and jason's hard-drive presumably... | Nov 10 14:07 |
| schestowitz | [14:14] <DaemonFC> There's no reason why a $15 an hour minimum wage couldn't work. It's the law in Australia. Somehow, small business exists there. Go figure. In fact, the US has the lowest minimum wage of any country until you start counting the Third World. | Nov 10 14:08 |
| schestowitz | If ou pay people more, you increase spendings, too | Nov 10 14:08 |
| schestowitz | You can't make an economy work in a vaccum of just credit (debt) cards | Nov 10 14:09 |
| schestowitz | but then again, Australia is also one of the richest Western nations | Nov 10 14:09 |
| MinceR | i had at least one MAFF saved from the-source.com | Nov 10 14:09 |
| MinceR | obviously not everything, though :> | Nov 10 14:09 |
| schestowitz | I think Switzerland is #1, close to tiny nations like Monaco and Luxembourg | Nov 10 14:09 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the Vatican, which like the Swiss economy just benefits from a large scam | Nov 10 14:09 |
| iophk | http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/08/youtube-cofounders-first-public-comment-in-8-years-why-the-f-do-i-need-a-google-account-to-comment-on-a-video/ | Nov 10 15:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | venturebeat.com | YouTube cofounder’s first public comment in 8 years: ‘why the f*** do i need a google+ account to comment on a video?’ | VentureBeat [ http://ur1.ca/g0f4z ] | Nov 10 15:02 |
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| Sosumi | I knew it | Nov 10 15:28 |
| Sosumi | portugal's second bailout in being discussed (in secret) | Nov 10 15:28 |
| Sosumi | *is | Nov 10 15:28 |
| Sosumi | way too many excuses and seet talk paving the way | Nov 10 15:29 |
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| Sosumi | to make the announcement not come as a shock | Nov 10 15:29 |
| Sosumi | that or they'll pull a cyprus | Nov 10 15:30 |
| Sosumi | since they're already telling retired to drop dead | Nov 10 15:31 |
| Sosumi | it'll also come as no surprise | Nov 10 15:31 |
| Sosumi | meanwhile bread a circus (beer and football) | Nov 10 15:31 |
| Sosumi | and when few have too much money | Nov 10 15:35 |
| Sosumi | http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1088275_3-4-million-lykan-hypersport-debuts-in-production-trim-at-dubai-motor-show | Nov 10 15:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.motorauthority.com | $3.4 Million Lykan Hypersport Debuts In Production Trim At Dubai Motor Show [ http://ur1.ca/g0f8d ] | Nov 10 15:35 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-10/bitcoin-plunges-25-government-scrutiny-first-btc-fair-value-reco-has-stunning-price- | Nov 10 17:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zerohedge.com | As Bitcoin Plunges 25% On Government Scrutiny, The First BTC "Fair Value" Reco Has A Stunning Price Target | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/g0fmz ] | Nov 10 17:53 |
| Sosumi | and I said it | Nov 10 17:53 |
| Sosumi | it'd go down as fast as it went up | Nov 10 17:53 |
| Sosumi | and to diversify while it was high | Nov 10 17:53 |
| Sosumi | but article is crap | Nov 10 17:54 |
| Sosumi | it's just volatile | Nov 10 17:55 |
| Sosumi | the intelligent move is when it's high, trade it for something else like gold (or toilet paper) | Nov 10 17:55 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 10 18:14 |
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| Sosumi | gn | Nov 10 19:09 |
| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/uk-spies-continue-quantum-insert-attack-via-linkedin-slashdot-pages/#p3 | Nov 10 19:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | November | 2013 | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g0fwh ] | Nov 10 19:10 |
| Sosumi | spoofed linkedin and slashdot sites to serve malware | Nov 10 19:11 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265676 | Nov 10 20:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When it Comes to Trademarks, Canonical is Even Worse Than Novell http://techrights.org/2013/11/08/trademarks-canonical/ #ubuntu #canonical | Nov 10 20:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | When it Comes to Trademarks, Canonical is Even Worse Than Novell | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g05th ] | Nov 10 20:21 |
| schestowitz | "Excuse me? First you are angry because you thought they didn't have a legal ground, now you are angry because they did have one? Do I get you right? Just what should they have done in order to protect their brand? I think we both agree that it would have been better just to do nothing because of the shit storm. But, just for the sake of the argument, what would have been the best way to handle this? What would have been better than a | Nov 10 20:21 |
| schestowitz | polite email?" | Nov 10 20:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 10 20:23 |
| schestowitz | Jan, fixubuntu.com isn't a product. It's entirely non-profit. This is an important distinction you are ignoring. | Nov 10 20:23 |
| schestowitz | What do you expect Fix Ubuntu to be called, anyway? | Nov 10 20:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 10 20:23 |
| schestowitz | | | Nov 10 20:23 |
| schestowitz | 'It is not a commercial product but nevertheless it is a ‘product’ name from a trade mark position. I don't know a better name. It a good name. Just not a wise one if you want to be on the save side." | Nov 10 20:23 |
| schestowitz | http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2013/11/08/trademark-aggression.html | Nov 10 20:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ebb.org | Canonical, Ltd.'s Trademark Aggression - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) [ http://ur1.ca/g03rx ] | Nov 10 20:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 10 20:24 |
| schestowitz | Bradley Kuhn answered most of what you are saying, Jan P. It's insulting of Canonical to act like a letter from lawyers is "friendly", it's a threat from a well funded company that can make life hard. We can be angry that any court would allow a company to waste people's time and money with a frivolous lawsuit without surrendering the basics of trademark law. Kuhn walks through how the letter asks for something that's not right and how | Nov 10 20:24 |
| schestowitz | they could have asked for it to be fixed in case the world is really filled with idiots. | Nov 10 20:24 |
| schestowitz | It would have been better for Canonical not to bother, not because of the shitstorm but because it was wrong. The world is not full of idiots and no real harm has come to the Ubuntu trademark from this website. Canonical should apologize for the letter and make a change in management that will prevent similar bad decisions in the future. Someone was given responsibility they should not have had and needs oversight. | Nov 10 20:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 10 20:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 10 20:25 |
| schestowitz | @Will: Okay, I didn't read all of the linked text, so no comment about that. I am bored by this discussion by now. I don't like it how some people seem to try very hard to see some evil. | Nov 10 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, in reply to what you wrote: Mark Shuttleworth wrote on Google plus: ‘This was a bit silly on our part, sorry.’ He continues: ‘In this case we should just have said “you may use the mark if you say that you are doing so with permission”. I guess a new guy made a bad call, but that happens and there's no point in beating Canonical up over an inadvertent slip.’ In a reply on his post he also writes: ‘Yes, it was one | Nov 10 20:26 |
| schestowitz | person just taking what they thought was a routine action. They are new to Canonical and open source, and our policy on this is unusually open minded, and they were not aware of that in this case. I believe it was an accident and it is unlikely to happen again given the publicity .’ | Nov 10 20:26 |
| schestowitz | So, the trademark has been removed, they have a note saying they are not connected with Canonical, they may keep their domain, shit storm continues. I am tired of this. | Nov 10 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Oh, and this world is full of idiots, don't you ever watch TV? | Nov 10 20:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 10 20:26 |
| schestowitz | Even Canonical expresses regrets, and not just because of the backlash. | Nov 10 20:27 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265636 | Nov 10 20:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/canonical-abused-trademark-law-to-target-a-site-critical-of-ubuntu-privacy/ #ubuntu #canonical #privacy | Nov 10 20:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g01vv ] | Nov 10 20:39 |
| schestowitz | "Yes they did, Jan. Since you seem to be unable to read the effing email yourself instead of just repeating Canonical talking points I'll quote it for you: It has been brought to our attention that your website: https://fixubuntu.com/ is using Canonical’s trademarks including Ubuntu logo on your website and *Ubuntu word in your domain name... So, whilst we are very happy for you to write about Ubuntu, we request you to remove Ubuntu | Nov 10 20:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fixubuntu.com | Fix Ubuntu | Nov 10 20:39 |
| schestowitz | word from you domain name and Ubuntu logo from your website.*" | Nov 10 20:39 |
| schestowitz | me: | Nov 10 20:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 10 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Rogue bots are eating up bandwidth in my site. It has been just 10 days this month and already 20 GB have been eaten up. Looking into AWStats, I see: | Nov 10 20:47 |
| schestowitz | Unknown robot (identified by empty user agent string)77,116+968.51 GB10 Nov 2013 - 03:18 | Nov 10 20:47 |
| schestowitz | So some bots that don't identify themselves are just piling up almost 1 GB per day. Can they be blocked based on user agent string? At this current pace I'll need to pay extra charges for bandwidth. No idea as to whether these are Windows zombie PCs, but over the years I have had to pay high costs for such Swiss cheese software running amok with NSA back doors..... | Nov 10 20:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 10 20:47 |
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| DaemonFC | http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/000000/10000/5000/100/15129/15129.strip.gif | Nov 11 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart. | Nov 11 02:04 |
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| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/uk-spies-continue-quantum-insert-attack-via-linkedin-slashdot-pages/ | Nov 11 03:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | UK spies continue “quantum insert” attack via LinkedIn, Slashdot pages | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g0hq6 ] | Nov 11 03:48 |
| MinceR | geekings | Nov 11 03:59 |
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| schestowitz | bots are hammering on the site | Nov 11 04:26 |
| iophk | :( | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | about 1 GB a day from some empty user string bots | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | Captain's log. We received a signal from Lee Scarf on StarDate 11/11/13 08:24. Translated to English it stated:> Hi Roy, | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > These bots will likely be innocent crawlers from one of the many search | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > engines out there, I know it's annoying but as you have 4.8gb of content | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > in the domain's public web space bots will use alot of bandwidth | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > spidering all that. I notice Googlebot uses 1-2gb of bw every month so | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > other crawlers will likely use a similar amount each. | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > If you're happy for the site to potentially not be aswell indexed in | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > some search engines then you can try adding a comprehensive robots.txt | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > which will allow/deny certain bots from crawling your site, some | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > unscrupulous crawlers may well ignore it but the respectable search | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > engines will take note. Visit this link to compile a custom robots.txt | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > and then add it to your site and see how it goes | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.mcanerin.com/EN/search-engine/robots-txt.asp | Nov 11 04:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.mcanerin.com | Robots.txt Generator - McAnerin International Inc. [ http://ur1.ca/g0hxe ] | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > In addition to a robots.txt you can specifically configure the googlebot | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > crawler to limit the amount of times it crawls your webspace, that's | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > done via your Google Webmaster Tools account, more info at | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/48620?hl=en | Nov 11 04:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | support.google.com | Changing Google's crawl rate - Webmaster Tools Help [ http://ur1.ca/g0hxf ] | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > If you know the IP/IP range of any the bots/crawlers, you can add them | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > into cPanel under 'IP Deny Manage'. | Nov 11 04:26 |
| iophk | IIRC you can specify rate or freq in robots.txt | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > Best regards | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | > Lee | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | Hi Lee, | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | Thanks so much for the detailed suggestions. I will consider each in turn and later today I'll do some IP range analysis to recognise the source of the suspicious crawling. Google is worth the cost of bandwidth; other unnamed spiders just put load on your server and cost me in b/w addons. Like I've said, I need to look into this later today and resolve it myself. Thanks for the kind and helpful reply. | Nov 11 04:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 04:26 |
| iophk | of the ones that misbehave, hit them with iptables | Nov 11 04:27 |
| iophk | do you have the User Agent header in the logs? That will help a lot for the bots that self-identify. | Nov 11 04:30 |
| schestowitz | I can't do that with robots.txt | Nov 11 04:30 |
| schestowitz | and I don't have access to iptables | Nov 11 04:30 |
| schestowitz | it's not VPS | Nov 11 04:30 |
| schestowitz | it's a shared server with a host that only exposes cpanel | Nov 11 04:30 |
| schestowitz | that's for my personal site, not techrights | Nov 11 04:30 |
| iophk | ok | Nov 11 04:31 |
| schestowitz | I have lots of posts coming today, working on tuxmachines.org layout is another task | Nov 11 04:31 |
| schestowitz | it's already modified somewhat | Nov 11 04:31 |
| schestowitz | http://tuxmachines.org | Nov 11 04:31 |
| iophk | Some robots will obey the unofficial 'crawl-delay' entry in robots.txt | Nov 11 04:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tuxmachines.org | tuxmachines.org | Do you waddle the waddle? | Nov 11 04:32 |
| schestowitz | those that obey rules are not the issue | Nov 11 04:32 |
| schestowitz | The problem is those which don't give a damn about rule and just scrape the site greedily | Nov 11 04:32 |
| iophk | but the other ones can't be dealt with except with iptables AFAIK | Nov 11 04:32 |
| schestowitz | and I pay for the bandwidth they devour | Nov 11 04:32 |
| schestowitz | I already lost a lot of money due to Windows zombies doing this | Nov 11 04:32 |
| iophk | yes | Nov 11 04:32 |
| schestowitz | e.g. hammering on wikis with spam | Nov 11 04:32 |
| schestowitz | brb | Nov 11 04:33 |
| schestowitz | iophk: I put almost all your links in refs for future posts | Nov 11 04:42 |
| iophk | ok | Nov 11 04:42 |
| schestowitz | so pasting them basically assured their inclusion later on | Nov 11 04:42 |
| schestowitz | Might take days/week for related stuff to pile up and make up a story | Nov 11 04:42 |
| schestowitz | I have 20 drafts now | Nov 11 04:42 |
| schestowitz | I think i'll cross-post in tuxmachines for Linux-related posts only | Nov 11 04:42 |
| iophk | Sometimes it can take a few days for related sources to surface. | Nov 11 04:42 |
| schestowitz | and maybe vary the title depending on the audience | Nov 11 04:43 |
| iophk | Yes, keep tuxmachines as it is. | Nov 11 04:43 |
| iophk | The posts in Tuxmachines can be the top three linux-related links from the daily links. They don't need much summary. | Nov 11 04:54 |
| iophk | Or a little summary but not much analysis. | Nov 11 04:54 |
| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-release-group-has-been-spying-on-downloaders-for-9-months-131111/ | Nov 11 06:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Piracy Release Group Has Been Spying on Downloaders For 9 Months | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/g0inw ] | Nov 11 06:19 |
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| iophk | The questions remains, what was Windows doing in there at all? | Nov 11 08:13 |
| iophk | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2306151/kaspersky-claims-stuxnet-infected-a-russian-nuclear-plant | Nov 11 08:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theinquirer.net | Kaspersky claims Stuxnet infected a Russian nuclear plant- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/g0jeb ] | Nov 11 08:13 |
| iophk | M$ BBC for xbone http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-11/11/iplayer-xbox-one | Nov 11 08:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.co.uk | BBC to bring iPlayer to Xbox One 'in the future' (Wired UK) [ http://ur1.ca/g0jkf ] | Nov 11 08:35 |
| iophk | But not linux | Nov 11 08:36 |
| iophk | http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/install | Nov 11 08:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bbc.co.uk | BBC iPlayer - Install BBC iPlayer Downloads | Nov 11 08:36 |
| iophk | What was wrong with MPEG? | Nov 11 08:36 |
| iophk | Too many patents? | Nov 11 08:36 |
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| Sosumi | BBC = Bulsh!t Beyond Compreension | Nov 11 09:53 |
| Sosumi | so, nothing lost | Nov 11 09:54 |
| Sosumi | also for the folks in the UK, don't forget to pay your BBC tax | Nov 11 09:55 |
| Sosumi | lol | Nov 11 09:55 |
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| XFaCE | [09:53:53 AM]<Sosumi> BBC = Bulsh!t Beyond Compreension | Nov 11 10:30 |
| XFaCE | except for Dr. Who | Nov 11 10:30 |
| MinceR | Brown, Boveri & Cie | Nov 11 10:31 |
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| Sosumi | I really don't fancy dr. who | Nov 11 11:33 |
| Sosumi | http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/521246/20131111/international-space-station-infected-malware-russian-astronaut.htm | Nov 11 11:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.ibtimes.co.uk | International Space Station Infected With USB Stick Malware Carried on Board by Russian Astronauts - IBTimes UK [ http://ur1.ca/g0klq ] | Nov 11 11:33 |
| iophk | http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/521246/20131111/international-space-station-infected-malware-russian-astronaut.htm | Nov 11 11:36 |
| iophk | "As these systems are based on Linux, they are open to infection." | Nov 11 11:36 |
| iophk | Interesting that the OS is named. | Nov 11 11:36 |
| iophk | I thought it was infection that caused them to move to Linux. | Nov 11 11:37 |
| Sosumi | you noticed | Nov 11 11:45 |
| Sosumi | the rethoric is made as if linux is the problem | Nov 11 11:45 |
| Sosumi | maybe if it was based on ios it'd be safer | Nov 11 11:46 |
| Sosumi | or on DOS, who knows | Nov 11 11:46 |
| Sosumi | I know it, maybe if it was based on vista 8.1 | Nov 11 11:47 |
| Sosumi | if it was based on vista 8.1 the astronauts'd be able to play solitaire while up there in their stay | Nov 11 11:49 |
| MinceR | the whole thing is fishy | Nov 11 11:50 |
| Sosumi | it's like I said, the article is done as if linux was the problem | Nov 11 11:50 |
| iophk | I would think that the PR people for all the major distros would be all over that article correcting it and demanding a retraction. | Nov 11 11:50 |
| MinceR | if they could afford armies of lawyers | Nov 11 11:51 |
| iophk | PR people not lawyers | Nov 11 11:51 |
| iophk | they have marketing people | Nov 11 11:51 |
| MinceR | there's not much force behind a demand if they can't threaten with lawsuits, is there? | Nov 11 11:51 |
| Sosumi | yep, they do | Nov 11 11:51 |
| Sosumi | but you really never see any contrapropaganda from them | Nov 11 11:52 |
| iophk | no need to jump right to threats of lawsuits | Nov 11 11:52 |
| Sosumi | it's usually just promotion | Nov 11 11:52 |
| iophk | yeah some contrapropaganda is needed | Nov 11 11:52 |
| Sosumi | well, it's actually "counterpropaganda" | Nov 11 11:53 |
| iophk | well it's needed regardless of name. :) | Nov 11 11:53 |
| Sosumi | the former is how it's written in portuguese | Nov 11 11:53 |
| Sosumi | yep | Nov 11 11:53 |
| Sosumi | let's all go make a world war two linux company | Nov 11 11:54 |
| Sosumi | I can be FDR | Nov 11 11:54 |
| Sosumi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyB7dYexozc | Nov 11 11:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Steve Jobs plays FDR in Apple internal sales video (1984) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g0kqb ] | Nov 11 11:56 |
| Sosumi | well it's a classic | Nov 11 11:57 |
| Sosumi | lawl | Nov 11 11:57 |
| iophk | so were the astronauts mounting and executing binaries? | Nov 11 11:57 |
| iophk | No distro autoexecs that I've heard of. | Nov 11 11:57 |
| Sosumi | they didn't say | Nov 11 11:57 |
| Sosumi | you know, "good" journalism never tells the details | Nov 11 11:58 |
| iophk | I think there might be something worth investigating in that article. They probably have their "facts" mixed up. | Nov 11 11:58 |
| iophk | But companies like Red Hat and Canonical have a bit to lose of their reputation if that goes uncorrected for too many hours. | Nov 11 11:59 |
| iophk | That translates to money. | Nov 11 11:59 |
| Sosumi | indeed | Nov 11 12:00 |
| schestowitz | http://fossforce.com/2013/11/chrome-clamps-bitcoin-vulnerability/ | Nov 11 12:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fossforce.com | Chrome Clamps Down, Bitcoin Vulnerability & More… - FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/g0d82 ] | Nov 11 12:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 12:02 |
| schestowitz | First PJ calls it quits and now Susan. Dont get me wrong, I really admire Roy’s work even though I dont agree with all he says. But Tuxmachines and Groklaw were with Techrights my 3 must go to site. I cant figure out how Roy has a job, a wife and still get around to doing what he doee (his links page is simpy the best. the days he releases him links of the week, I have enough free software, open source, linux, unix, freedom, rights | Nov 11 12:02 |
| schestowitz | links to last me a week.) so I think running a site like Tuxmachines on top will prove too much. | Nov 11 12:02 |
| schestowitz | Anyways, its better having 3 writers than 1 left. | Nov 11 12:02 |
| schestowitz | I guess its good for you unintentionally and like Carla Shroeder did a few years ago, you are on the periphery of my regular writers I make sure to visit. People like Glyn Moody and Matt Hartley and even Sam Varghese and SJVN sometimes. | Nov 11 12:02 |
| schestowitz | As for Bubuntu, for a group that has been all about community building and all that crowd control stuff, they really have seemed over the past 2 yrs to go out of their way to antagonize people in how they approach things. Its almost as if they were doing it on purpose, which honestly would be less embarassing than being told that they lack complete understanding how to work with the myriads of different communities of FLOSS. | Nov 11 12:02 |
| schestowitz | I think the fact they picked on Micah from the freaking EFF is simply priceless. As much as that previous episode where the leader supremo came out with his classic “haters are gonna hate.” attack filled with juvenile name calling. | Nov 11 12:02 |
| schestowitz | Like someone mentioned on G+, the choice of the word canonical for a FLOSS company name is making more and more sense nowadays than it did when the company was created. | Nov 11 12:02 |
| schestowitz | The Forbes article offers no proof or explanation, not even a bogus attempt at explaining how they got their numbers. | Nov 11 12:02 |
| schestowitz | Considering that the Microsoft racketeering/extortion business is protected by NDA’s between MS and the various extorted parties, the author would have to have had access to all these protected agreements. At best it was an extrapolation based on finding out about on NDA which is very likely. | Nov 11 12:02 |
| schestowitz | Its amazing how this extortion business is considered a legitimiate business practice. Then again the mafia works the exact same (it would be a shame something happens to your business/family) and they are revered in myriads of TV series and movies. | Nov 11 12:02 |
| schestowitz | Not sure why anyone thought SteamOS guys would use Ubuntu (instead of Debian) since they have specific needs for their OS and none for many of the userland services. | Nov 11 12:02 |
| schestowitz | The beauty on GNU-Linux is that everything outside the kernel is interchangeable. I still find the number of Steam clients reported worldwide much higher than I thought there were. | Nov 11 12:02 |
| schestowitz | SteamOS will BE the biggest Linux distro around. | Nov 11 12:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 12:02 |
| Sosumi | I really don't trust valve | Nov 11 12:05 |
| MinceR | neither do i | Nov 11 12:06 |
| Sosumi | steam outside of colectting all the info about the computer | Nov 11 12:06 |
| MinceR | but it can still be a boost for GNU/Linux | Nov 11 12:06 |
| Sosumi | their client can be used to hyjack the computer | Nov 11 12:06 |
| Sosumi | well, if it's the same publicity as moronical and ubuntu gets | Nov 11 12:07 |
| Sosumi | not even worth it | Nov 11 12:08 |
| Sosumi | plus I doubt steam os will be designed as full fledged OS | Nov 11 12:08 |
| Sosumi | it'll probably just be steam big picture and nothing more | Nov 11 12:08 |
| Sosumi | and I don't blizzard either | Nov 11 12:09 |
| Sosumi | and their warden anticheat | Nov 11 12:10 |
| Sosumi | just like I don't trust punkbuster | Nov 11 12:10 |
| Sosumi | all those can be snooping and attack vectors | Nov 11 12:10 |
| MinceR | if it brings more games to GNU/Linux, that could generate some network effects | Nov 11 12:19 |
| iophk | http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/155392-international-space-station-switches-from-windows-to-linux-for-improved-reliability | Nov 11 12:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.extremetech.com | International Space Station switches from Windows to Linux, for improved reliability | ExtremeTech [ http://ur1.ca/drxhh ] | Nov 11 12:20 |
| iophk | old | Nov 11 12:20 |
| iophk | "Switching to Linux will essentially immunize the ISS against future infections." | Nov 11 12:20 |
| Sosumi | yep | Nov 11 12:21 |
| iophk | So the Linux Foundation or someone (Debian?) ought to have some review about how well this has turned out and made the station immune. | Nov 11 12:21 |
| Sosumi | probably some reporter's ass needs to meet the boot | Nov 11 12:22 |
| iophk | and an editor | Nov 11 12:22 |
| iophk | it got past the editors, probably on purpose | Nov 11 12:22 |
| iophk | editors often use bait headlines anyway | Nov 11 12:24 |
| iophk | http://phys.org/news/2013-05-international-space-station-laptop-migration.html | Nov 11 12:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | phys.org | International Space Station making laptop migration from Windows XP to Debian 6 [ http://ur1.ca/du3pn ] | Nov 11 12:27 |
| iophk | old, too | Nov 11 12:27 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> @Senficon Microsoft rep Beltz: Open Source is less safe | Nov 11 12:31 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> retweeted by than „controlled software“ cause bad guys can | Nov 11 12:31 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> @glynmoody see the source code! #EPInquiry | Nov 11 12:31 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/g0kwm | Nov 11 12:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Senficon: Microsoft rep Beltz: Open Source is less safe than „controlled software“ cause bad guys can see the source code! #EPInquiry | Nov 11 12:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | (Re-tweeted by glynmoody) | Nov 11 12:31 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> @matildasisatto #EPInquiry is turning into a farce... The | Nov 11 12:32 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> retweeted by companies on the podium have their tongues so | Nov 11 12:32 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> @glynmoody tied that they are turning blue... | Nov 11 12:32 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/g0kwq | Nov 11 12:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @matildasisatto: #EPInquiry is turning into a farce... The companies on the podium have their tongues so tied that they are turning blue... | Nov 11 12:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | (Re-tweeted by glynmoody) | Nov 11 12:32 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> @matildasisatto #EPInquiry Microsoft: If there was a back door, | Nov 11 12:32 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> retweeted by I could not talk about it as I would be under a | Nov 11 12:32 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> @glynmoody legal security order not to. | Nov 11 12:32 |
| Sosumi | lol micro$haft | Nov 11 12:50 |
| Sosumi | but talking about backdoors | Nov 11 12:51 |
| Sosumi | what if x86 chips have one? and everytime single time a program compiled on the platform puts adds a backdoor or some explotable line to the code? | Nov 11 12:53 |
| Sosumi | well, to support the suspicion of a cabal at play we see that there aren't any choices now | Nov 11 12:54 |
| Sosumi | no more power pc | Nov 11 12:54 |
| Sosumi | no more sparc | Nov 11 12:54 |
| Sosumi | unless you get them on servers | Nov 11 12:54 |
| Sosumi | rack mountable servers | Nov 11 12:54 |
| Sosumi | ibm powerstations just like the powermac got killed in 2006 | Nov 11 12:55 |
| Sosumi | and oracle isn't bringing sparcstations back anytime soon | Nov 11 12:55 |
| Sosumi | a backdoor could be built in the southbridge too, so who knows | Nov 11 12:57 |
| Sosumi | and even if that was the case and the user applied an airgap | Nov 11 12:59 |
| Sosumi | what about those dirty emissions that could be picked up by someone doing signals on the electricity wire | Nov 11 12:59 |
| Sosumi | paranoia :) | Nov 11 13:00 |
| Sosumi | faraday cage and an off the grid power suply = win | Nov 11 13:01 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3261197 | Nov 11 13:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @darth_azrael@diasp.org: And this was the reason for the #2ndAmendment | Nov 11 13:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by darth_azrael@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_c1a900dbc72f7ede443a.jpg | Nov 11 13:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by darth_azrael@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_c1a900dbc72f7ede443a.jpg | Nov 11 13:01 |
| schestowitz | "No, at the time the vast majority of the people living in the thirteen British colonies considered themselves British and were British citizens. There were native tribes here of course before European colonization but that had nothing to do with the Revolution of 1776. This was a group of people separating from what they considered their home country due to a variety of grievances (taxation without representation, troops being | Nov 11 13:02 |
| schestowitz | quartered in private homes, the attempted seizure of weapons among others). There was not an existing American government that was 'occupied' by the British government. It was always part of the British government. It is much more comparable to the American civil war (only slavery was involved and the South failed)." | Nov 11 13:02 |
| schestowitz | Interesting insight. Well, I'm all for change in the US, so I'm hardly the opposition here. | Nov 11 13:02 |
| Sosumi | it's the brightish empire | Nov 11 13:03 |
| Sosumi | because the sun never sets on british empire | Nov 11 13:03 |
| Sosumi | john dee coined that term | Nov 11 13:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265636 | Nov 11 13:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/canonical-abused-trademark-law-to-target-a-site-critical-of-ubuntu-privacy/ #ubuntu #canonical #privacy | Nov 11 13:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g01vv ] | Nov 11 13:03 |
| schestowitz | ';Jesse, yes. The domain name is a different thing. What I meant was, they did not complain about the usage of the word Ubuntu on the website. That is a legal use of a trade mark. The domain name is sort of a ‘product‘ name and can therefore not use the trade mark without permission. Anyway, I would be grateful if you would not allege that I am ‘unable to read the email’. If something is not clear from the context, just ask. | Nov 11 13:03 |
| schestowitz | Thank you." | Nov 11 13:03 |
| Sosumi | and it still holds it's value today | Nov 11 13:03 |
| schestowitz | [18:01] <s-534> @glynmoody Journalists Reportedly Banned From Smartphone | Nov 11 13:04 |
| schestowitz | [18:01] <s-534> Photography At Olympics In Russia - | Nov 11 13:04 |
| schestowitz | [18:01] <s-534> http://t.co/Ty7obwpDMI shoudl be fun to watch | Nov 11 13:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techcrunch.com | Journalists Reportedly Banned From Smartphone Photography At Olympics In Russia | TechCrunch | Nov 11 13:04 |
| schestowitz | [18:01] <s-534> this clash | Nov 11 13:04 |
| Sosumi | they can go photograph putin making obozo his biatch | Nov 11 13:05 |
| Sosumi | that was a reference to john romero and daikatana | Nov 11 13:05 |
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| fewt | \o | Nov 11 13:07 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265676 | Nov 11 13:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When it Comes to Trademarks, Canonical is Even Worse Than Novell http://techrights.org/2013/11/08/trademarks-canonical/ #ubuntu #canonical | Nov 11 13:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | When it Comes to Trademarks, Canonical is Even Worse Than Novell | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g05th ] | Nov 11 13:09 |
| schestowitz | "See what I mean?" | Nov 11 13:09 |
| fewt | I found a couple of Ubuntu fanboys on muktware still defending Canonical after Mark said Canonical was wrong. It filled me with lols. | Nov 11 13:10 |
| Sosumi | lol moronical | Nov 11 13:10 |
| Sosumi | and it's morons | Nov 11 13:10 |
| XFaCE | fewt: He hasn't mastered the reality distortion field yet | Nov 11 13:32 |
| fewt | + | Nov 11 13:32 |
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| sebsebseb | iophk: Open Suse | Nov 11 13:35 |
| iophk | :P | Nov 11 13:35 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: eve the Ubuntu guy as part of his propsal has done Open Suse KDE | Nov 11 13:36 |
| sebsebseb | not Mageia anything | Nov 11 13:36 |
| sebsebseb | maybe he just copied the oleder guy I don't know | Nov 11 13:36 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think Magiea is getting out voted though | Nov 11 13:36 |
| iophk | Should talk with him. | Nov 11 13:36 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I guess I don't have friends there | Nov 11 13:36 |
| sebsebseb | any of them | Nov 11 13:36 |
| iophk | Find out for sure. | Nov 11 13:36 |
| iophk | "build bridges" as the phrase was. | Nov 11 13:36 |
| iophk | Any work with SCADA at all? | Nov 11 13:37 |
| sebsebseb | what's that? | Nov 11 13:37 |
| iophk | industrial control | Nov 11 13:38 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe I am not liked by them as such as well | Nov 11 13:39 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: after disagreeing with having a vote and stuff ike that | Nov 11 13:39 |
| sebsebseb | and here's why I disageed | Nov 11 13:39 |
| sebsebseb | since I had a feeling things would be like this and yep | Nov 11 13:39 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: its not a fair vote either | Nov 11 13:39 |
| iophk | no it's not | Nov 11 13:39 |
| sebsebseb | someone hsoud be bought in from outside to be part of the voting I think | Nov 11 13:39 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: everyone has their own personal prefered distro's out of the ones we had | Nov 11 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | even those who say they don't really care what distro is used | Nov 11 13:40 |
| iophk | voting is usually proposed when the outcome is know in advance and favors those proposing the vote... | Nov 11 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: everyone wants thier own distro | Nov 11 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | evne thoe who say they don't really care what distro is used | Nov 11 13:40 |
| iophk | yeah but they should be able to agree on the DE's first. | Nov 11 13:41 |
| sebsebseb | and event co ordnater is a Mint guy as well really, he wanted Mint all along for hte event | Nov 11 13:41 |
| sebsebseb | yes he may have not sid let's have Fedora a distro he uses | Nov 11 13:41 |
| sebsebseb | ,bt he wants Mint | Nov 11 13:41 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think the De's have been sort of agred already | Nov 11 13:41 |
| sebsebseb | Cinnamon and KDE | Nov 11 13:41 |
| iophk | Mint is just a copy of ubuntu with nasty proprietary bits added and mono | Nov 11 13:41 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I know | Nov 11 13:41 |
| sebsebseb | and Cinnamon and Mate by default | Nov 11 13:41 |
| iophk | what about XFCE? | Nov 11 13:41 |
| sebsebseb | there's the idea of having something for really old computers | Nov 11 13:42 |
| fewt | sebsebseb: everyone should create their own distro | Nov 11 13:42 |
| iophk | Cinnamon and Mate ar kind of fringe. | Nov 11 13:42 |
| sebsebseb | I guess that may be sme OPen Suse based thing with XFCE maybe | Nov 11 13:42 |
| fewt | Cinnamon and MATE are definitely fringe | Nov 11 13:42 |
| sebsebseb | oh fewt is in here | Nov 11 13:42 |
| *fewt looks around | Nov 11 13:42 | |
| fewt | no he isn't | Nov 11 13:42 |
| sebsebseb | fewt: I am meant to be helping orgaies an event for next March | Nov 11 13:43 |
| sebsebseb | I am thinking about quiting maybe | Nov 11 13:43 |
| sebsebseb | or saying something | Nov 11 13:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe it isn't so bad, if only certan distros are used o the demonostratio computers and the remasters, if well can have a tale with genrea Liux sutff | Nov 11 13:43 |
| sebsebseb | put some Fedora CD's on there I am thinking | Nov 11 13:43 |
| sebsebseb | and Mageia if it loses | Nov 11 13:43 |
| sebsebseb | and pens for distr's and you know | Nov 11 13:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/renepieters/status/399970292875149312 | Nov 11 13:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: a free swag table | Nov 11 13:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @renepieters: Interessant cloudproject: host je spullen zelf. Op een Rasperry Pi. http://t.co/lCqX7vDlJ7 via @schestowitz en @meneer | Nov 11 13:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> venturebeat.com | This 23-year-old’s open-source project, a server running on Raspberry Pi, gives the middle finger to Google | VentureBeat | Nov 11 13:43 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Mageia is getting rejected for Open SUse, for htis event :( | Nov 11 13:44 |
| schestowitz | hi fewt, wb | Nov 11 13:44 |
| fewt | hi schestowitz, thanks | Nov 11 13:44 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: the vote hasn't even happended properly yet, but I can see from the proposed stuff etc | Nov 11 13:44 |
| sebsebseb | and how everyone wants their own distor | Nov 11 13:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: this vote is rubbish | Nov 11 13:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe I shoud just well get out voted and then say something after | Nov 11 13:45 |
| sebsebseb | how I had a feeling things would be like that, and that's why I didn't want the vote in the first place | Nov 11 13:45 |
| sebsebseb | since it wan't a fair vote etc | Nov 11 13:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe then I say to the, so uhmm, who actsaly wants me to stil help out with this event and why? | Nov 11 13:45 |
| sebsebseb | or Uh I don't know | Nov 11 13:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think if I can have a load of Mageia CD's on a tablbe soe where, for those that want it, that isn't too bad then | Nov 11 13:46 |
| iophk | That might be ok | Nov 11 13:46 |
| sebsebseb | event co ordinater has an idea too get a load of old magazine or whatever Linux Format will give us | Nov 11 13:46 |
| iophk | better if you could also show it | Nov 11 13:46 |
| sebsebseb | for a waiting area | Nov 11 13:46 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well I guess I can stil o my own netbook at least | Nov 11 13:46 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Nov 11 13:46 |
| sebsebseb | I was thinking, it's ok to have Fedora and Magiea CD's and offial Ubuntu and such some where | Nov 11 13:46 |
| iophk | again, what about the computers. That is one of the first things to settle, then the DEs | Nov 11 13:46 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: at least three computers | Nov 11 13:47 |
| sebsebseb | only be a few | Nov 11 13:47 |
| sebsebseb | not that many | Nov 11 13:47 |
| iophk | Three is not much for a whole room | Nov 11 13:47 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: it's quite a small room | Nov 11 13:48 |
| sebsebseb | actualy | Nov 11 13:48 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: can fit about 24 people in it at once | Nov 11 13:48 |
| iophk | oh | Nov 11 13:48 |
| sebsebseb | they gone with a much smaller room, than what we lookd at etc | Nov 11 13:48 |
| sebsebseb | ,because the smaller room is free | Nov 11 13:48 |
| sebsebseb | and also central | Nov 11 13:49 |
| sebsebseb | slap bang in the centre of the city | Nov 11 13:49 |
| sebsebseb | in a pub cafe etc, type buidig with acinema etc a w | Nov 11 13:49 |
| iophk | I'd see if you could get 5 or 6 computers to demo | Nov 11 13:49 |
| sebsebseb | as wlel, that like everyone knows | Nov 11 13:49 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think an probaby get about 5 yeah | Nov 11 13:49 |
| iophk | That should be decided soon. | Nov 11 13:49 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I did end the eail about that | Nov 11 13:49 |
| sebsebseb | he replied | Nov 11 13:49 |
| sebsebseb | sounds ike ony about 3 or so | Nov 11 13:49 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: sounds ike he'll find out more once distors' are cofired etc | Nov 11 13:50 |
| sebsebseb | some stuff he is doing the wrong way rund I think in a wayy | Nov 11 13:50 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: also instead of just beig so focussed on getting a venue in the first place andsuch | Nov 11 13:50 |
| sebsebseb | I think we shoud have done the technial decisions proery early on | Nov 11 13:50 |
| sebsebseb | instead of just having a genreal idea of what people wante,d and then this stupid vote stuff now | Nov 11 13:50 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so basically everone thinks, oh my thing wil probably be in and then moeone else joins us and wants hi thing as wlel | Nov 11 13:51 |
| sebsebseb | and then we get four distro's and now this uh | Nov 11 13:51 |
| sebsebseb | when the idea from the begining was to ony have 2 or 3 | Nov 11 13:51 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: now he wants Grub 2 to have a customied theme for the event as well if possible | Nov 11 13:52 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: a bit ike your suggesiton for a background for the event in the demo's I think | Nov 11 13:52 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well jjust over a week to go untill that thing | Nov 11 13:54 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: still need to put my propsal into the document, but yeah | Nov 11 13:54 |
| iophk | Grub? distracted by the wrong things. There is little return on the effort. | Nov 11 13:56 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: wel he had been playing around with Grub 2 themes on Sunday or whatever he siad | Nov 11 13:57 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: not sure quite how I am going to react, if I go to that meeting on the Tuesdya | Nov 11 13:58 |
| sebsebseb | and it does indeed get out voted as I am expecting | Nov 11 13:58 |
| iophk | A common desktop image might be ok. Helps the demo machines look similar and brings focus to the DE itself maybe. Though it is really hard to explain the benefits of KDE to people that have never customized their DE. | Nov 11 13:58 |
| iophk | before. | Nov 11 13:58 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I know what I might have done a few years ago, when quite a bit younger and I didn't get my way, when something happended that I realy wanted to do at the time, since I was so passionate about it, and had gone to the city too do that, but was told I coudn't, since I kept on being late | Nov 11 13:59 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: it won't be that | Nov 11 14:01 |
| sebsebseb | it's just the choosen diistro remasterd | Nov 11 14:01 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I guess even if I don't quite get my way, but it brings some people into the Linux User Group meeting | Nov 11 14:01 |
| sebsebseb | that's good | Nov 11 14:01 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: can try and get htem to go Mageia after the event if so as well :d | Nov 11 14:02 |
| iophk | You could have all 6 stations with KDE with different configurations to look and feel quite different. | Nov 11 14:02 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: nice idea, but nope they won't have that | Nov 11 14:02 |
| sebsebseb | since they want Cinnamon | Nov 11 14:02 |
| iophk | even fewt agrees that Cinnamon is fringe | Nov 11 14:02 |
| sebsebseb | what do you mean by that? | Nov 11 14:02 |
| fewt | It's value add to Mint, but fringe in that it's limited to Mint. | Nov 11 14:03 |
| iophk | It's not a mainstream DE | Nov 11 14:03 |
| fewt | ^ | Nov 11 14:03 |
| sebsebseb | well Magiea 4 will get it into the rep's as an option | Nov 11 14:03 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah exactly | Nov 11 14:03 |
| sebsebseb | it's not really that main stremae | Nov 11 14:03 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I am dealin with people who want to convert Windows uesrs to Linux | Nov 11 14:04 |
| sebsebseb | and so want similar to WIndows DE's | Nov 11 14:04 |
| fewt | well, even then Clem has said it's designed for Mint | Nov 11 14:04 |
| sebsebseb | they like Cinnamon at least two of them a ot | Nov 11 14:04 |
| iophk | If you stick to the big DEs then it matters a little less which distro is demoed. | Nov 11 14:04 |
| fewt | and he doesn't seem to care about it on other distros | Nov 11 14:04 |
| fewt | which isn't bad | Nov 11 14:04 |
| sebsebseb | fewt: where has he said that? | Nov 11 14:04 |
| fewt | but it limits its usefulness | Nov 11 14:04 |
| sebsebseb | seems Mint is in fro this event | Nov 11 14:04 |
| iophk | If they want similar to Windows the XFCE is suppose to be good for that. | Nov 11 14:04 |
| sebsebseb | and Open Suse uh | Nov 11 14:04 |
| fewt | on the internet sebsebseb :P | Nov 11 14:04 |
| sebsebseb | bye bye Mageia and Ubuntu | Nov 11 14:04 |
| fewt | I'll have to google it | Nov 11 14:04 |
| sebsebseb | bye ye Ubuntu since most of them don't like Uinity | Nov 11 14:04 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think XFCE might get used in the thing for really old computers I don't know | Nov 11 14:05 |
| iophk | For really old you want lighter weight. LXDE | Nov 11 14:05 |
| iophk | I haven't asked for a while, but what about brochures? | Nov 11 14:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't think they have given any of that much thought, and will go with Open Suse guy's own mae custom thing | Nov 11 14:06 |
| sebsebseb | for old PC's | Nov 11 14:06 |
| sebsebseb | that will of course be based on Open SUse in that case I expect | Nov 11 14:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: brouchers for what, explaining about distros or interfaces, I tink that's all been suggeted to them as well I don't remember | Nov 11 14:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I am feeing like this is "their" event | Nov 11 14:07 |
| sebsebseb | and not "my" event already | Nov 11 14:07 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and the I have the optio of being ike I don't care, so what about LIux going more main strame | Nov 11 14:07 |
| sebsebseb | so what about distor's they are al similar | Nov 11 14:07 |
| sebsebseb | there's a guy like this from our LUG group who's quite knowledagble | Nov 11 14:07 |
| fewt | Just use Windows, geez! | Nov 11 14:07 |
| *fewt is kidding | Nov 11 14:08 | |
| sebsebseb | I could be ike him, and so not hep with the event anymore in that case to, well he neer heped in the first place, since he oesn't care about getting ore users | Nov 11 14:08 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: or I could be ike, yeah that's ashame Magiea got voted out and Ubuntu, but peole running | Nov 11 14:08 |
| sebsebseb | Open Suse and Mint is still better than WIndows really eseialy XP once it's unsupported | Nov 11 14:08 |
| sebsebseb | espeicaly XP above | Nov 11 14:08 |
| iophk | Those are the worst distros though. :( | Nov 11 14:08 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I Think quite a few of them have the attitude that distro's don't matter that much | Nov 11 14:09 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yet they stlll want hteir own choosen ones out of our options | Nov 11 14:09 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: indeed Mint is quite pointless now, except for it having CInnamon and Mate by defualt | Nov 11 14:10 |
| sebsebseb | ,but those are coing to more other distors now | Nov 11 14:10 |
| sebsebseb | Mint was mainly for those that found it hard to install codecs ito Ubuntu in like 2006 | Nov 11 14:10 |
| sebsebseb | and then more recetly it seems to be mainly for the Unity dislikers/haers | Nov 11 14:10 |
| sebsebseb | haters | Nov 11 14:10 |
| sebsebseb | and I Would like Ubuntu to be there for Uity, so can find out if Canonical were right or not | Nov 11 14:11 |
| sebsebseb | about non technial users likeing it or not | Nov 11 14:11 |
| sebsebseb | apparnatly quite a few non technial users don't like it, that used GNOME 2 before | Nov 11 14:11 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: really Linux is meant to replace Unix and yeah | Nov 11 14:12 |
| sebsebseb | just happens to be goodenough to use instead of Wndows for most stuff foryears, that's all | Nov 11 14:12 |
| fewt | I'm still struggling to use GNOME 2 | Nov 11 14:12 |
| fewt | w/ CentOS | Nov 11 14:12 |
| fewt | I'll probably shift to Arch or another distribution soon. | Nov 11 14:13 |
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| fewt | Probably have to bite the GNOME 3 bullet too | Nov 11 14:13 |
| sebsebseb | fewt: GNOME Shell isn't that bad really | Nov 11 14:13 |
| sebsebseb | not now | Nov 11 14:13 |
| fewt | yeah, I've heard it's more usable now | Nov 11 14:14 |
| sebsebseb | fewt: GNOM3 3 make that with the apps as well | Nov 11 14:14 |
| sebsebseb | I always liked it | Nov 11 14:14 |
| sebsebseb | ,but had issues trying to run it at first | Nov 11 14:14 |
| sebsebseb | annoyingy for a year or two, so I was stuck with a old GNOEM preview on top of GNOME 2 | Nov 11 14:14 |
| sebsebseb | fewt: Do you think Ubuntu and Mint are the worst distros? | Nov 11 14:15 |
| sebsebseb | and guess Ubuntu to maybe? | Nov 11 14:15 |
| fewt | I don't have an opinion of Mint | Nov 11 14:16 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | Nov 11 14:16 |
| fewt | or Ubuntu for that matter | Nov 11 14:16 |
| sebsebseb | what about for Open Suse then? | Nov 11 14:17 |
| fewt | I don't give them enough of a thought to care about them. | Nov 11 14:17 |
| fewt | same with openSUSE | Nov 11 14:17 |
| fewt | or most all distros these days | Nov 11 14:17 |
| sebsebseb | ok what about Cinnamon | Nov 11 14:17 |
| sebsebseb | you dont like Cinnamon? | Nov 11 14:17 |
| fewt | don't care about it | Nov 11 14:18 |
| fewt | I neither like nor dislike | Nov 11 14:18 |
| Sosumi | kde? | Nov 11 14:18 |
| fewt | I don't like KDE | Nov 11 14:18 |
| Sosumi | enlightnment? | Nov 11 14:18 |
| fewt | It's too fat | Nov 11 14:18 |
| fewt | too ancient | Nov 11 14:19 |
| fewt | :P | Nov 11 14:19 |
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| Sosumi | you're calling me old :( | Nov 11 14:19 |
| fewt | naah | Nov 11 14:19 |
| Sosumi | I kid :P | Nov 11 14:19 |
| fewt | :) | Nov 11 14:19 |
| MinceR | what DEs count as "major"? kde, gnome, unity? | Nov 11 14:27 |
| Sosumi | I think that only ubuntu uses unity as default | Nov 11 14:29 |
| fewt | MinceR: twm | Nov 11 14:29 |
| MinceR | twm is not a DE | Nov 11 14:29 |
| fewt | that makes it more major | Nov 11 14:30 |
| Sosumi | but in terms of fully featured | Nov 11 14:30 |
| Sosumi | kde wins | Nov 11 14:30 |
| fewt | MinceR: I know TWM is a WM and not a DE. :P | Nov 11 14:30 |
| MinceR | all three of those suck, imo | Nov 11 14:31 |
| fewt | I agree, TWM, WM, and DE all suck | Nov 11 14:31 |
| fewt | lmao | Nov 11 14:31 |
| fewt | I don't like KDE, GNOME, or Unity very much | Nov 11 14:31 |
| Sosumi | we don't need DEs nor X or wayland | Nov 11 14:31 |
| Sosumi | bash all the way | Nov 11 14:32 |
| fewt | but I can't really fairly have an opinion since I haven't used them in a while. | Nov 11 14:32 |
| fewt | Sosumi: WindowMaker | Nov 11 14:32 |
| Sosumi | windowmaker........ | Nov 11 14:32 |
| Sosumi | never had heard of it | Nov 11 14:34 |
| Sosumi | and it looks just like nextstep | Nov 11 14:34 |
| Sosumi | I guess that I'm poisoned to give it a try | Nov 11 14:35 |
| MinceR | afaik it's the wm of afterstep or gnustep | Nov 11 14:36 |
| fewt | ^ | Nov 11 14:36 |
| fewt | gnustep | Nov 11 14:36 |
| fewt | also: sawfish | Nov 11 14:36 |
| fewt | (for those who have been around a while) hah | Nov 11 14:36 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 11 14:38 |
| fewt | I just run explorer.exe in WINE | Nov 11 14:38 |
| fewt | and collect my M$ paycheck | Nov 11 14:38 |
| Sosumi | I knew gnustep as an efford to bring objective c to gnu/linux | Nov 11 14:38 |
| fewt | I was accused of that again a few days ago lol | Nov 11 14:39 |
| Sosumi | lol | Nov 11 14:39 |
| fewt | It had been a while since someone accused me of being a Microsoft employee | Nov 11 14:39 |
| fewt | really took me back to the good old days | Nov 11 14:39 |
| fewt | lol | Nov 11 14:39 |
| Sosumi | nothing wrong with being a M$ employee | Nov 11 14:40 |
| Sosumi | you can be an insider and blow the whistle on stuff | Nov 11 14:40 |
| fewt | lol except that I'm not :) | Nov 11 14:41 |
| Sosumi | well, I'm not either | Nov 11 14:41 |
| Sosumi | but I don't discard the possibility of infiltration if the opurtunity arises | Nov 11 14:42 |
| fewt | oh sure | Nov 11 14:42 |
| Sosumi | probably to confirm what is already known | Nov 11 14:44 |
| Sosumi | backdoors, etc | Nov 11 14:45 |
| Sosumi | lousy code | Nov 11 14:45 |
| fewt | number of Canonical employees on the books | Nov 11 14:50 |
| fewt | I mean! | Nov 11 14:50 |
| iophk | http://techrights.org/2013/05/15/ubuntu-and-microsoft-veteran/ | Nov 11 14:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | Man From Microsoft Runs the Ubuntu Project Now | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/dv9od ] | Nov 11 14:51 |
| Sosumi | infiltrate moronical? | Nov 11 14:51 |
| iophk | happened | Nov 11 14:51 |
| Sosumi | yeah | Nov 11 14:51 |
| Sosumi | it did | Nov 11 14:51 |
| iophk | might explain some of the decisions and attitudes | Nov 11 14:51 |
| Sosumi | but it was also allowed to happen by shutleworm | Nov 11 14:52 |
| Sosumi | I actually think that ubuntu was from the beggining a hook for M$ to push crap like Mono into gnu/linux | Nov 11 14:53 |
| fewt | iophk: it definitely does | Nov 11 14:53 |
| fewt | I've never had an issue with Mono historically but after the patent attack on Android that's changed. | Nov 11 14:53 |
| Sosumi | and try to fragment the community | Nov 11 14:53 |
| Sosumi | like on the Mir vs wayland | Nov 11 14:54 |
| iophk | With Mir vs Wayland, it is more about how they are interacting (or not) than anything else | Nov 11 14:55 |
| iophk | they've explained their position poorly | Nov 11 14:55 |
| Sosumi | I kind of made a mistake back there | Nov 11 15:05 |
| Sosumi | it wasn't the ibm powerstation the IBM killed | Nov 11 15:05 |
| Sosumi | it was the intellistation | Nov 11 15:06 |
| Sosumi | last models used the same ppc 970 that was used on the powermac | Nov 11 15:07 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3277200 | Nov 11 15:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This 23-year-old’s open-source project, a server running on Raspberry Pi, gives the middle finger to Google http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/10/arkos-secure-google-alternative/ | Nov 11 15:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> venturebeat.com | This 23-year-old’s open-source project, a server running on Raspberry Pi, gives the middle finger to Google | VentureBeat [ http://ur1.ca/g0fnr ] | Nov 11 15:24 |
| schestowitz | "Here's the projects D* account cznweb@joindiaspora.com https://joindiaspora.com/people/f4aefef1c70c5a0a " | Nov 11 15:24 |
| schestowitz | iophk: didn't they start with wayland? | Nov 11 15:25 |
| iophk | yes | Nov 11 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Fedora would not have much issue with that | Nov 11 15:25 |
| iophk | then hopped off | Nov 11 15:25 |
| schestowitz | But then they decided to go it alone | Nov 11 15:25 |
| schestowitz | Watyland doesn't bother me much and neither does Mir | Nov 11 15:26 |
| schestowitz | But then again, I'm not Martin and i'm not the one having to waste my life because of these splots | Nov 11 15:27 |
| schestowitz | *splits | Nov 11 15:27 |
| schestowitz | Canonical has much bigger mistakes (or 'mistakes') worth addressing | Nov 11 15:27 |
| schestowitz | I actually defended Mir the other day (without naming it) on the ground that it's just more free code you're not obliged to use but can | Nov 11 15:28 |
| schestowitz | That;'s not the same as a company like Novell bringing patent heat from Microsoft to Red Hat and Canonical, which is divisive in another way. And patent agreements don't extend to communities like GPLv3+ requires | Nov 11 15:29 |
| iophk | gtg | Nov 11 15:36 |
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| Sosumi | and it's going despite the rethoric of the nsa spying | Nov 11 15:51 |
| Sosumi | ofc "we" knew that EU governments like france for example were in cahoots with the US and UK | Nov 11 15:51 |
| Sosumi | the free exploitation treaty seems to be going on | Nov 11 15:52 |
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| Sosumi | also I've been looking at alex jones as of late | Nov 11 15:58 |
| Sosumi | and his operation as turned into a kind of litter | Nov 11 15:59 |
| Sosumi | no really good or actually usefull info after he kicked Tarpley out of there | Nov 11 16:00 |
| Sosumi | for not supporting mr derregulation Ron Paul | Nov 11 16:00 |
| Sosumi | and last sunday, supporting the jon birch society?? | Nov 11 16:01 |
| Sosumi | totally laughable | Nov 11 16:01 |
| Sosumi | and was the only guy adressing the derivatives trade | Nov 11 16:10 |
| Sosumi | jonesi other guests were all crap and about putting folks walking around in circles | Nov 11 16:10 |
| Sosumi | pretty much like those brand X truthers around on the internet | Nov 11 16:11 |
| Sosumi | actually, alex jones outside of a few decent guests like the Gunderson guy from Fairewinds (fukushima) and wayne madsen | Nov 11 16:15 |
| Sosumi | ho, well and celente | Nov 11 16:15 |
| Sosumi | pretty much everything else is two steps below excrement | Nov 11 16:15 |
| Sosumi | and can actually be considered disinfo | Nov 11 16:16 |
| Sosumi | even them one must be aware of hellen caldicot, which for some reason comes attached to gunderson | Nov 11 16:16 |
| Sosumi | according to her we'd be living in pre-industrial revolution | Nov 11 16:17 |
| Sosumi | dam neo-malthusian | Nov 11 16:17 |
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| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/samsung-nokia-say-they-dont-know-how-to-track-a-powered-down-phone/ | Nov 11 16:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Samsung, Nokia say they don’t know how to track a powered-down phone | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g0mhj ] | Nov 11 16:36 |
| MinceR | i can find my phone even if it's turned off | Nov 11 16:39 |
| MinceR | using my eyes | Nov 11 16:39 |
| MinceR | also, i suspect that the malware could merely fake powering down | Nov 11 16:40 |
| MinceR | and keep the radio going | Nov 11 16:40 |
| Sosumi | exactly | Nov 11 16:40 |
| Sosumi | that's why the battery should be taken | Nov 11 16:40 |
| Sosumi | but no mention to backdoors | Nov 11 16:40 |
| MinceR | http://xkcd.com/1289/ | Nov 11 16:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | xkcd.com | xkcd: Simple Answers | Nov 11 16:48 |
| Sosumi | so I got a hypePhone 5 | Nov 11 16:54 |
| Sosumi | and installed linux on it | Nov 11 16:54 |
| Sosumi | but since I don't have the touchscreen driver | Nov 11 16:54 |
| Sosumi | I ssh into it from my nokia communicator | Nov 11 16:54 |
| Sosumi | epic win | Nov 11 16:54 |
| Sosumi | I was joking ofc :) | Nov 11 16:55 |
| MinceR | yeah, if you had a nokia communicator, you'd have no use for a hypePhone :> | Nov 11 16:59 |
| Sosumi | I got the 2008 model | Nov 11 17:00 |
| Sosumi | but it's kind of getting wasted | Nov 11 17:00 |
| MinceR | e90? | Nov 11 17:01 |
| Sosumi | yeah | Nov 11 17:01 |
| Sosumi | getting wasted no, it's actually wasted | Nov 11 17:10 |
| Sosumi | and the hinge doesn't have any strenght anymore | Nov 11 17:10 |
| Sosumi | at this point I'm just holding for the nexus 5 to be available | Nov 11 17:11 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 11 17:11 |
| Sosumi | but since I don't normally use a cellphone, it's really not that much of a problem | Nov 11 17:12 |
| Sosumi | laptop + 4g access = any cell phone | Nov 11 17:12 |
| Sosumi | and I'm not the only guy who does that | Nov 11 17:26 |
| Sosumi | I have 2 teachers who exactly the same | Nov 11 17:26 |
| Sosumi | *do | Nov 11 17:26 |
| Sosumi | no cell phones | Nov 11 17:26 |
| Sosumi | you can call their landline and mail them | Nov 11 17:27 |
| Sosumi | but cell phones are something that stays inside the car for emergencies | Nov 11 17:27 |
| Sosumi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU | Nov 11 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Prototype Quadrotor with Machine Gun! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g0mw9 ] | Nov 11 17:30 |
| Sosumi | because the nsa may want to stalk them (or me) with one of those | Nov 11 17:31 |
| Sosumi | :) | Nov 11 17:33 |
| Sosumi | it wouldn't be the first time ppl die "accidently" | Nov 11 17:34 |
| Sosumi | micheal hastings was one of the last to die | Nov 11 17:35 |
| Sosumi | that I can remember | Nov 11 17:35 |
| MinceR | looks like we'll need power armor and guns | Nov 11 17:40 |
| Sosumi | don't worry, that's why I took physics | Nov 11 17:44 |
| Sosumi | and with 3d printers now able to do metal | Nov 11 17:48 |
| Sosumi | I don't think it'll be a problem in say 5 years to build weapons | Nov 11 17:49 |
| Sosumi | and armor | Nov 11 17:49 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 11 17:52 |
| Sosumi | gn | Nov 11 17:52 |
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| DaemonFC | Facebook recommended that I like Kevin Sorbo. He's a registered Republican that donated $500 to the worst president ever. (George W. Bush) | Nov 11 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | I did like his acting work on Hercules: The Legendary Journeys and Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda though, so I clicked the Like button. At least he gave us some good Saturday morning TV to watch while Bush was ****ing us over. | Nov 11 20:41 |
| Snowleaksange | just heard raspbiani sa pos that fails apt-get install chromium out of box | Nov 11 20:42 |
| Snowleaksange | raspbian | Nov 11 20:42 |
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| DaemonFC | My computer is getting pretty old, but I just can't bring myself to replace it. Every piece of hardware in it is supported by a Free (as in Freedom) driver, including the graphics card's 3d acceleration. The kernel Linux is performing better, the data libraries and compiler toolchain have been optimized, and KDE 4.11 is running using fewer resources than KDE 4.0 did in 2008. How do you replace a computer that is getting faster? I might have | Nov 11 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | to pull out the sledgehammer and give myself an excuse. *Bang bang bang* Well, I've been wanting a laptop anyway, and that desktop would have left me waiting another five years. | Nov 11 22:54 |
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| Sosumi | my suggestion | Nov 12 00:39 |
| Sosumi | turn it into a server | Nov 12 00:40 |
| Sosumi | or keep it around for an emergency | Nov 12 00:41 |
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| DaemonFC | https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1399142_161732344036805_1958757887_o.jpg | Nov 12 02:09 |
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| iophk | tizen camera: | Nov 12 02:36 |
| iophk | http://linuxgizmos.com/tizen-camera-released-mobile-lite-version-coming-phones-delayed/ | Nov 12 02:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | linuxgizmos.com | Tizen camera debuted, Lite tipped, phone delayed · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/g0ps5 ] | Nov 12 02:36 |
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| iophk | Portland is already way ahead and should be used as a model. | Nov 12 03:58 |
| iophk | http://www.oregonlive.com/hillsboro/index.ssf/2013/11/hillsboro_school_district_cons_1.html | Nov 12 03:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.oregonlive.com | Hillsboro School District considering open-source solutions in wake of failed bond measure | OregonLive.com [ http://ur1.ca/g0qa2 ] | Nov 12 03:58 |
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| iophk | http://gigaom.com/2013/11/11/facebooks-hardware-vp-says-were-very-close-to-open-source-switches/ | Nov 12 03:59 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | gigaom.com | Facebook’s hardware VP says we’re very close to open source switches — Tech News and Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/g0qaa ] | Nov 12 03:59 |
| DaemonFC` | On OKCupid. | Nov 12 04:00 |
| DaemonFC` | "Are you smarter than most people?" | Nov 12 04:00 |
| DaemonFC` | Why yes, yes I am. | Nov 12 04:00 |
| DaemonFC` | Do I have to qualify this? OK. Here's a homework assignment. Go to Walmart sometime and observe "most people", and then get back to me. | Nov 12 04:00 |
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| DaemonFC` | http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/100000/00000/5000/800/105824/105824.strip.gif | Nov 12 05:00 |
| DaemonFC` | Healthcare.gov | Nov 12 05:00 |
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| iophk | http://gizmodo.com/googles-going-to-start-sticking-your-face-and-name-in-1443861985/1462317340/@ace | Nov 12 05:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | gizmodo.com | Your Face and Name Will Appear in Google Ads Starting Today [ http://ur1.ca/g0qt6 ] | Nov 12 05:04 |
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| DaemonFC | Someone that I was talking to the other day said "I think someone likes you.", I said "and who would that be?". He pointed to this individual (as much as you can "point" to someone on the internet, that is). | Nov 12 07:40 |
| DaemonFC | I said "I don't know about that. I think that there could be some clash of personality there.". He asked me why that was. I said "Well, he's an activist that works to further the Democratic Party, and they're just the less right-wing party, for the most part, of the two party system we have in the United States." | Nov 12 07:40 |
| DaemonFC | Not only is he an activist, he says they're paying him too. I can't say I'm completely shocked. You can buy a lot of friends when you can't make enough of them naturally. Microsoft sometimes does this to "evangelize" Windows and other nasty proprietary Microsoft technologies. Fox News (the infamous hard-right news channel that you can tell is lying whenever one of their reporters has their lips moving) also uses this strategy. They send out | Nov 12 07:40 |
| DaemonFC | paid sockpuppets to carry out hit pieces against people that oppose their agenda. | Nov 12 07:40 |
| DaemonFC | I've never made any big secret of the fact that I am pretty far to the left on the left/right political spectrum. And from here, it's pretty easy to see what the establishment Democratic Party really is. About an inch to the left of the far right. They have a few decent social policies. Their fiscal policy is basically to save Capitalism from its own excesses. They are a business party though. They exist to serve Capitalism, whether some | Nov 12 07:40 |
| DaemonFC | capitalists realize this or not. Free Market Capitalism will kill itself with its own excesses. It will always get a little bit too greedy for its own good, and take down the entire system with it. This usually happens when workers get tired of literally being exploited to death for pennies and stage a revolt, followed by a unionization drive, like what happened in the United States in the early 20th century. | Nov 12 07:40 |
| DaemonFC | The Democrats were swept to power in the 1930s, and they immediately set to work extinguishing some of the fires that runaway Capitalism had set. They made some mild-to-moderate social reforms, like Social Security, the 40 hour work week, and some worker safety laws. | Nov 12 07:40 |
| DaemonFC | But that's all they've ever done. They're certainly not pro-labor, and they're certainly not in favor of the welfare state. (Where the government makes sure that its citizens have support mechanisms and living wages, so that their needs are not going unmet). | Nov 12 07:40 |
| DaemonFC | The goal of the Democratic Party establishment is to let people suffer, but not so much that it threatens to destabilize the entire system that is exploiting them. | Nov 12 07:40 |
| DaemonFC | And in a way, that makes them more of a menace to society than the Republican Party. If we had let the Republicans keep control for several more years, they would have finished ripping down the mild-to-moderate social reforms. Most of the people would go from having very little, back to not having a pot to piss in, and there would have been an uprising followed by far more extensive reforms, when people finally realized what they had done. | Nov 12 07:40 |
| DaemonFC | About the only major thing that Obama has suggested that I actually agree with, that is currently pending is that they need to raise the minimum wage. | Nov 12 07:47 |
| DaemonFC | $10.10 would be modest. It would bring it up to where it actually buys something again, but it would not be a comfortable lifestyle. | Nov 12 07:48 |
| yang | daemonfc interesting thoughts. i am an european and minimum hourly rate here is 3 eur. | Nov 12 07:54 |
| yang | maybe switzerland adopts the undetermined basic income as the first european country | Nov 12 07:55 |
| yang | like alaska has | Nov 12 07:56 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/08/walmart-arrests_n_4227411.html | Nov 12 07:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.huffingtonpost.com | Largest Civil Disobedience In Walmart History Leads To More Than 50 Arrests [ http://ur1.ca/g0s35 ] | Nov 12 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | I support the striking Walmart workers. | Nov 12 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart has the United States in a death spiral. Most people (more than half of the population of the United States) work for next to nothing, so they need discounts, so they shop at Walmart, and Walmart makes everyone a little bit poorer, and wages go down some more, and people need more discounts. It's like crack. | Nov 12 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart has an "intelligence" operation that keeps detailed files on all of their employees, that makes what the East German Stasi was doing look like amateur hour. That's kept Walmart's employees from unionizing, demanding fair wages and a little bit of health insurance, and other basic needs of survival, so far. | Nov 12 07:57 |
| yang | we have some kind of fund for nonemployed, however its only about 200 eur that cant really save you from misery | Nov 12 07:57 |
| DaemonFC | Right. Minimal social programs that keep people staring into the abyss. | Nov 12 07:58 |
| yang | i think scandinavian social model is the best | Nov 12 07:59 |
| yang | doesnt this wallmart has some kibd of coupons that people who get welfare have to use in their stores? | Nov 12 08:01 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I pointed out earlier that people in prison in Sweden have a higher standard of living than 40% of the non-imprisoned population of the United States. | Nov 12 08:01 |
| yang | yes | Nov 12 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | That's how bad things have gotten here. It only took about five years to get to this point. | Nov 12 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | When things took a turn for the worst, they pulled out almost all the stops. | Nov 12 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | This is hardly the same country it was in 2008. | Nov 12 08:02 |
| DaemonFC | There's more total wealth now than there was then, but it's distributed differently. The poor are very poor. The rich are very rich. | Nov 12 08:03 |
| yang | same gets here | Nov 12 08:04 |
| yang | middle class slowly dissapearing | Nov 12 08:04 |
| DaemonFC | The only thing that hasn't been cut, yet, is Social Security. | Nov 12 08:04 |
| yang | large unemployments | Nov 12 08:04 |
| DaemonFC | They'll get there. They just haven't figured out quite how to do it yet. | Nov 12 08:04 |
| DaemonFC | There's a large number of people on Social Security. About 60 million. | Nov 12 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | Actually, more than that. | Nov 12 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | So the number of people that would be very angry is very large. | Nov 12 08:05 |
| fewt | DaemonFC: why would you want to strike walmart workers? What have they done to you? | Nov 12 08:10 |
| fewt | also \o | Nov 12 08:10 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 12 08:10 |
| DaemonFC | I think you'd have to be pretty brave to strike if you work at Walmart. | Nov 12 08:11 |
| fewt | I agree | Nov 12 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | They're such an oppressive employer. | Nov 12 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | They're even worse now than when I worked there. | Nov 12 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | Almost nobody hired in the last couple of years is full time. | Nov 12 08:11 |
| DaemonFC | So you can't even get enough hours in to make the low wages work out. | Nov 12 08:12 |
| DaemonFC | You'd have to take on a second part time job. | Nov 12 08:12 |
| DaemonFC | And this person that was basically breathing down my neck the other day begging me to come over "for dinner" is now running for the hills. | Nov 12 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | Because he's found out that I'm not one of those single-issue gay activists that will follow the Democrats around like a dog on a leash. | Nov 12 08:13 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdrcOGoszlE | Nov 12 08:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Bill Hicks - Aids! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g0sa8 ] | Nov 12 08:22 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Nov 12 08:22 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/m4m/4186654805.html | Nov 12 08:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | Trying some more. Seeking LTR. [ http://ur1.ca/g0sch ] | Nov 12 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | Every time you think you have your bases covered... | Nov 12 08:31 |
| DaemonFC | Half this ad has turned into "Do not contact me, if...." | Nov 12 08:31 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3277280 | Nov 12 08:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: New leaks about #GCHQ teach us that running one's own DNS server might not be so paranoid after all. #nsa #malware #slashdot | Nov 12 08:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 12 08:37 |
| schestowitz | Heh, I don't know anything really. I just run bind and point my local computers to it. apt-get install bind 9, and you are up and running because the defaults seem sane. It works very well, but I don't know if it avoids interference from the ISP. I've got a cable modem, a nasty non free computer that works against me, between me and the internet. It might be able to reroute my recursive DNS requests to malicious servers. | Nov 12 08:37 |
| schestowitz | You can use your computer to block your ISP's spam promoting DNS servers, | Nov 12 08:37 |
| schestowitz | http://hackercodex.com/guide/how-to-stop-isp-dns-server-hijacking/ | Nov 12 08:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | hackercodex.com | How to Stop Your ISP from Hijacking Your DNS Servers | Hacker Codex [ http://ur1.ca/g0se7 ] | Nov 12 08:37 |
| schestowitz | I don't have any records to manage and my ISP would thwart me if I did because they name every lease with the address with underlines instead of dots. This creates a conflicting record that I don't think I can do anything about. | Nov 12 08:37 |
| schestowitz | I've basically given up on DNS and share things with my IP address like this, | Nov 12 08:37 |
| schestowitz | http://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/2013/2013_11_10-courthouse_field/slide_6.html | Nov 12 08:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | 173.20.223.180 | Another Spitfire Crash [ http://ur1.ca/g0sea ] | Nov 12 08:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 12 08:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 12 08:37 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, we used to be with $LOCALMONOPOLYISP and discovered one day that all of a sudden when things were typed into the Firefox addressbar that didn't validate as a known domain, that we'd be redirected to a $LOCALMONOPOLYISP page with ads on it. | Nov 12 08:37 |
| schestowitz | Unbelievable. | Nov 12 08:37 |
| schestowitz | Needless to say, we are no longer with $LOCALMONOPOLYISP, although I never did find a decent, cheap router available locally that could easily be confirmed to run one of the libre firmwares. :-/ | Nov 12 08:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 12 08:37 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265636 | Nov 12 08:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/canonical-abused-trademark-law-to-target-a-site-critical-of-ubuntu-privacy/ #ubuntu #canonical #privacy | Nov 12 08:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g01vv ] | Nov 12 08:38 |
| schestowitz | "Well, you may use any trade mark with the permission of the owner. I don't see why OMG! Ubuntu! shouldn't have asked for the permission beforehand. Anyway, Fix Ubuntu has added the disclaimer, removed the logo, and got the permission to use the name in the domain name. I agree that the email was not, as we say in Germany, ‘exactly the fine English way’ to approach the matter, but I got really angry how the FLOSS community seemed | Nov 12 08:38 |
| schestowitz | to treat Canonical like the evil empire. :/' | Nov 12 08:38 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3277964 | Nov 12 08:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Windows zombies are hardly a problem to the owner of the zombied computers; they often deserve this. Innocent people are their victims. | Nov 12 08:39 |
| schestowitz | No one deserves the injustice of non free software, even if they think they want it."77'; | Nov 12 08:39 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3277261 | Nov 12 08:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA espionage is not just against other nations but against people all around the world http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130823/09375924294/did-new-zealand-spooks-tap-into-prism-to-spy-dotcom.shtml #nsa | Nov 12 08:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.techdirt.com | Did New Zealand Spooks Tap Into PRISM To Spy On Dotcom? | Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/g0sf2 ] | Nov 12 08:39 |
| schestowitz | "It may even be the first indication that PRISM's global surveillance system is also being deployed in areas that have nothing to do with terrorism or serious threats to the US or its citizens. " Surprise. Surprise."77" | Nov 12 08:39 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Comcast used to do that. | Nov 12 08:40 |
| DaemonFC | You had to call them to opt out. | Nov 12 08:40 |
| DaemonFC | So many people did that, that they stopped doing it. | Nov 12 08:41 |
| MinceR | http://partiallyclips.com/comics/2013-11-11_programmer_at_desk.jpg | Nov 12 09:15 |
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| Sosumi | staring today on google adds | Nov 12 09:51 |
| Sosumi | me | Nov 12 09:51 |
| Sosumi | google add: "Sosumi is an owl and recommends these night vision googles" | Nov 12 09:53 |
| MinceR | :D | Nov 12 09:53 |
| Sosumi | I admit that I had once a facebook profile of me under the name of "midnight commander" | Nov 12 09:59 |
| Sosumi | with a fake profile and everything | Nov 12 10:00 |
| Sosumi | which I used to spy | Nov 12 10:00 |
| Sosumi | now I'm more sufisticated | Nov 12 10:00 |
| Sosumi | bots do it for me | Nov 12 10:00 |
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| MinceR | was your profile image a screenshot of a blue two-pane file manager? | Nov 12 10:01 |
| Sosumi | yes | Nov 12 10:01 |
| Sosumi | lawl, it was as if the file manager had gone sentient | Nov 12 10:02 |
| MinceR | and the opposite of "lawl" is "chaosl" | Nov 12 10:02 |
| DaemonFC | From a 23 year old: "Like, you're old enough to be my uncle, dude." | Nov 12 10:03 |
| *DaemonFC is 29 | Nov 12 10:03 | |
| DaemonFC | Gee, like, let me fire up the old rusty van that says "Free Candy" on the side. | Nov 12 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | Shit. | Nov 12 10:04 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 12 10:04 |
| Sosumi | lol | Nov 12 10:04 |
| Sosumi | uncle is too much, you'd have to be in 40s to be one | Nov 12 10:05 |
| Sosumi | *your | Nov 12 10:05 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 12 10:05 |
| Sosumi | but big bro DaemonFC, that'd cut it | Nov 12 10:05 |
| *MinceR demands the recipes of the candy | Nov 12 10:06 | |
| Sosumi | or aniki or sempai in case you're into japanese stuff | Nov 12 10:06 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 12 10:06 |
| DaemonFC | Gee, that movie starts at 7? That's awful late. That's my bedtime. I don't know. I guess I might make it if my arthritis and bad hip don't stop me. | Nov 12 10:09 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 12 10:09 |
| Sosumi | which movie? | Nov 12 10:10 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know, I was just being sarcastic. | Nov 12 10:11 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I could start lying about my age, or win the lottery. | Nov 12 10:11 |
| DaemonFC | Money never hurts. | Nov 12 10:11 |
| Sosumi | it does | Nov 12 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | I could probably say I was 25. | Nov 12 10:12 |
| Sosumi | when it gets stollen from you | Nov 12 10:12 |
| DaemonFC | It's not like any of my relationships last long enough for them to find out. | Nov 12 10:12 |
| Sosumi | let me suggest one thing | Nov 12 10:12 |
| Sosumi | enroll into some course at an university | Nov 12 10:12 |
| iophk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stollen | Nov 12 10:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Stollen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Nov 12 10:12 |
| Sosumi | and look out for the hot teachers | Nov 12 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | Well, there was this guy that has been hitting on me all week. | Nov 12 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | Then he drops the bomb and says "Oh, and I have HIV, and I occasionally use crystal meth." | Nov 12 10:13 |
| Sosumi | ouch | Nov 12 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | "Hold on a minute, I need to get some cigarettes." | Nov 12 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | "That doesn't bother you, does it?" | Nov 12 10:13 |
| DaemonFC | Well, no, not at all. I'm glad you didn't start with that. | Nov 12 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 12 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | But that's the one that's the paid shill for the Democrats. | Nov 12 10:14 |
| DaemonFC | Which I find significantly annoying in and of itself. | Nov 12 10:15 |
| DaemonFC | Not that I'm angry that there are employment opportunities for middle aged meth-smoking men with HIV. I see the Democrats are quite picky about who represents them. | Nov 12 10:16 |
| DaemonFC | He gets quite hateful when you say anything bad about any Democrat. | Nov 12 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | Even the very worst ones, like Erskine Bowles. | Nov 12 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | I agree that the Republicans are the devil. We're on the same page there. | Nov 12 10:19 |
| DaemonFC | The Democrats are like the devil that missed his coffee that morning and isn't quite so good at fucking with people that day. | Nov 12 10:20 |
| Sosumi | I though they were all bad | Nov 12 10:20 |
| Sosumi | and were all sellouts | Nov 12 10:20 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. Here's the political map. | Nov 12 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1401210_161770030699703_508635135_o.jpg | Nov 12 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | Notice "You"? That's me. | Nov 12 10:21 |
| DaemonFC | and then up in the right hand corner, there's Obama and Romney. | Nov 12 10:21 |
| Sosumi | I don't believe into libertarianism | Nov 12 10:24 |
| Sosumi | nor on the austrian school of killer austerity and derregulation | Nov 12 10:24 |
| Sosumi | and diminished roles of the state | Nov 12 10:24 |
| Sosumi | my position is right at the origin of the axis | Nov 12 10:25 |
| Sosumi | (0,0) | Nov 12 10:25 |
| Sosumi | perfect balance | Nov 12 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | Sosumi: That's social libertarianism. | Nov 12 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-libertarianism | Nov 12 10:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Left-libertarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g0tc9 ] | Nov 12 10:27 |
| Sosumi | nop | Nov 12 10:28 |
| Sosumi | it's called common sense | Nov 12 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | I'll vote for Bernie Sanders if he is in the primary election. | Nov 12 10:28 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know if he will be. The establishment Democrats will do everything they can to crush him. | Nov 12 10:29 |
| Sosumi | not being bound by any school of economics nor any pre-conceived idea | Nov 12 10:29 |
| Sosumi | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_School_%28economics%29 | Nov 12 10:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | American School (economics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g0tdt ] | Nov 12 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | Every time I shake the tree, more mean people, control freaks, weirdos, and legends in their own mind fall out. | Nov 12 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | When you look back, and all the warning signs were there, and you realize just how many things you had to overlook, you really feel stupid. | Nov 12 10:30 |
| DaemonFC | (from my Facebook wall) | Nov 12 10:30 |
| Sosumi | that is what you at least should be supporting | Nov 12 10:30 |
| Sosumi | control freaks and weirdos are all over the place | Nov 12 10:31 |
| Sosumi | actually, there has always been tirany | Nov 12 10:32 |
| Sosumi | but it happened because there were no opposing forces strong enough | Nov 12 10:32 |
| Sosumi | and by the will of the ppl | Nov 12 10:32 |
| Sosumi | and by the exploitation of the "mass man" | Nov 12 10:33 |
| Sosumi | if ppl actually had, sometimes, grey matter inside their brains | Nov 12 10:33 |
| Sosumi | they wouldn't fall for the politricks | Nov 12 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | That comment was actually aimed at that guy. | Nov 12 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 12 10:35 |
| Sosumi | it's like bill cooper used to say | Nov 12 10:36 |
| Sosumi | the price of freedom is eternal vigilance | Nov 12 10:36 |
| Sosumi | if you're not vigilant, you give tyrany a chance to creep in | Nov 12 10:37 |
| fewt | DaemonFC: you shook the tree again, that's why I'm here. You rang? | Nov 12 10:58 |
| fewt | :P | Nov 12 10:59 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: I didn't realize you felt that way about me. | Nov 12 11:01 |
| fewt | DaemonFC: I was joking | Nov 12 11:01 |
| DaemonFC | I was being sarcastic. | Nov 12 11:04 |
| fewt | no wai | Nov 12 11:05 |
| fewt | :) | Nov 12 11:06 |
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| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/quantum-of-pwnness-how-nsa-and-gchq-hacked-opec-and-others/ | Nov 12 13:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Quantum of pwnness: How NSA and GCHQ hacked OPEC and others | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g0urz ] | Nov 12 13:11 |
| Sosumi | remember when the nsa hacked airbus to steal info for boeing? | Nov 12 13:12 |
| Sosumi | yay industrial espionage | Nov 12 13:12 |
| Sosumi | and real one | Nov 12 13:12 |
| Sosumi | no trash sniffing | Nov 12 13:12 |
| iophk | Marketing for Bill over at Wired | Nov 12 13:24 |
| iophk | http://www.wired.com/business/2013/11/bill-gates-wired-essay/all/ | Nov 12 13:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | Bill Gates: Here's My Plan to Improve Our World — And How You Can Help | Wired Business | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/g0uu6 ] | Nov 12 13:24 |
| MinceR | i know of a way he could improve the world, but he won't do that | Nov 12 13:25 |
| iophk | :> | Nov 12 13:25 |
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| iophk | What's the status of identi.ca or pump.io? Is the latter a replacement for the former? | Nov 12 13:50 |
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| schestowitz | " | Nov 12 13:55 |
| schestowitz | Gizmodo is conflating things to make Google look as bad as or worse than Facebook. Facebook uses your name and face as they please to create endorsements you had nothing to do with and might object to. Facebook is completely unethical, founded by a vile person who sold out his friends as "dumb fucks" for trusting him, then promoted by Microsoft as the spy implement of the future. Google is nothing like that. | Nov 12 13:55 |
| schestowitz | I don't think Google is not really doing anything wrong to add your reviews and likes to their search results. What you did was public and you might want your friends to find it. If you don't want that to happen, you can turn it off. It might have been better for Google to make this opt in, but the nature of search is not usually like that. Search engines are supposed to find the things you publish and share them in a relevant way. | Nov 12 13:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 12 13:55 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3280073 | Nov 12 13:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Your Face and Name Will Appear in Google Ads Starting Today http://gizmodo.com/googles-going-to-start-sticking-your-face-and-name-in-1443861985/1462317340/@ace advertisers get more aggressive over time | Nov 12 13:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> gizmodo.com | Your Face and Name Will Appear in Google Ads Starting Today [ http://ur1.ca/g0qt6 ] | Nov 12 13:55 |
| schestowitz | "The problem with Google is that it's becoming slowly like Facebook, I remember that Facebook was not so bad a few years ago, therefore Google might become what Facebook is now in a few years more. It's so simple that there is nothing free, therefore if Google (or Facebook or whatever) charge you nothing for its services then they have to have another way of getting money. Companies are in the business of making money after all." | Nov 12 13:56 |
| schestowitz | The question is, what is the product and who is the buyer? | Nov 12 13:56 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3277867 | Nov 12 13:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Less Than 20% Of Americans Believe That There's Adequate Oversight Of The NSA http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131103/23113025112/less-than-20-americans-believe-that-theres-adequate-oversight-nsa.shtml similar to belief against global warming | Nov 12 13:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.techdirt.com | Less Than 20% Of Americans Believe That There's Adequate Oversight Of The NSA | Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/g0p60 ] | Nov 12 13:57 |
| schestowitz | Making the world safe for "democracy"."77" | Nov 12 13:57 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3280072 | Nov 12 13:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hillsboro School District considering open-source solutions in wake of failed bond measure http://www.oregonlive.com/hillsboro/index.ssf/2013/11/hillsboro_school_district_cons_1.html #gnu #linux | Nov 12 13:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.oregonlive.com | Hillsboro School District considering open-source solutions in wake of failed bond measure | OregonLive.com [ http://ur1.ca/g0qa2 ] | Nov 12 13:57 |
| schestowitz | "There will be more of this, depending on how free and honest local governments are." | Nov 12 13:57 |
| Sosumi | Mincer, seppuku | Nov 12 14:01 |
| MinceR | also, he could use his wealth to compensate the people he has harmed | Nov 12 14:01 |
| Sosumi | yep | Nov 12 14:02 |
| MinceR | his total wealth is probably less than the damage caused, but he could still improve the world | Nov 12 14:02 |
| Sosumi | wasn't he also the guy who was advocating vaccines for the porpuses of reducing population? | Nov 12 14:02 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure how vaccines are supposed to do that | Nov 12 14:03 |
| MinceR | but i agree both with vaccination and reducing population | Nov 12 14:03 |
| Sosumi | by including mercury and alluminium adjuvants | Nov 12 14:03 |
| Sosumi | aluminum | Nov 12 14:04 |
| Sosumi | and some don't work at all | Nov 12 14:04 |
| Sosumi | like the HPV vaccine | Nov 12 14:04 |
| Sosumi | welcome to the pharma industrial complex | Nov 12 14:04 |
| Sosumi | as for population reduction | Nov 12 14:05 |
| Sosumi | only of the wrong kind | Nov 12 14:05 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 12 14:05 |
| Sosumi | but then, what would distinguish me from the shickleguber guy | Nov 12 14:05 |
| Sosumi | the final solution to prevent global warming | Nov 12 14:05 |
| Sosumi | start colonizing the solar system | Nov 12 14:06 |
| Sosumi | and the (inexisting) overpopulation problem goes away | Nov 12 14:07 |
| Sosumi | and it isn't that hard, stop the wars, funnel the money to the space program | Nov 12 14:08 |
| Sosumi | and all that new tech will find it's way in a way or another to the public | Nov 12 14:08 |
| Sosumi | like it did in the 60s | Nov 12 14:08 |
| Sosumi | also, use the money to decomission those old nuclear plants and build new and better ones | Nov 12 14:09 |
| Sosumi | instead of waiting for a fukushima in the US | Nov 12 14:09 |
| Sosumi | and helen caldicot is a nincompoop | Nov 12 14:10 |
| Sosumi | :) | Nov 12 14:10 |
| Sosumi | actually she should merge her foundation with billy and melinda jobs foundation | Nov 12 14:12 |
| Sosumi | and call it thomas malthus effin' rules! | Nov 12 14:13 |
| MinceR | what makes you think that the overpopulation problem doesn't exist? | Nov 12 14:14 |
| Sosumi | because it doesn't exist | Nov 12 14:14 |
| MinceR | uh huh | Nov 12 14:14 |
| Sosumi | all you see is too much concentration of ppl in a single place | Nov 12 14:14 |
| MinceR | not just that | Nov 12 14:15 |
| Sosumi | the other areas, specially the interior more rural zones are going desert as the oldies die | Nov 12 14:15 |
| MinceR | there's also the additional space used to support all those people | Nov 12 14:15 |
| Sosumi | well ofc | Nov 12 14:16 |
| MinceR | also, it seems to me that people do feel the pressure from that concentration | Nov 12 14:16 |
| Sosumi | as the population concentrates just in one area, sure | Nov 12 14:16 |
| schestowitz | [18:50] <iophk> What's the status of identi.ca or pump.io? Is the latter a replacement for the former? | Nov 12 14:16 |
| schestowitz | One of the software, one an instance of it running | Nov 12 14:16 |
| schestowitz | same with statusnet, now GNU Social | Nov 12 14:16 |
| MinceR | unless it's just the hungarian surliness some visitors report... | Nov 12 14:16 |
| schestowitz | iophk: Gates got some Wired ads before | Nov 12 14:17 |
| schestowitz | Wired is not credible | Nov 12 14:17 |
| MinceR | also, if one promotes spreading out the population from the current concentrated regions, that will take its toll on currently less bothered areas | Nov 12 14:17 |
| schestowitz | it did some dubious things amid the fight against leakers | Nov 12 14:17 |
| MinceR | i.e. they'll cut down forests and the suffocate | Nov 12 14:17 |
| MinceR | s/the /then / | Nov 12 14:17 |
| Sosumi | it's called realocation | Nov 12 14:17 |
| Sosumi | as the other zones go desert | Nov 12 14:18 |
| Sosumi | nature will simply take over | Nov 12 14:18 |
| Sosumi | and the balance is maintained | Nov 12 14:18 |
| MinceR | i don't see much in the way of zones going deserted | Nov 12 14:18 |
| Sosumi | I see | Nov 12 14:18 |
| Sosumi | here in portugal | Nov 12 14:18 |
| Sosumi | the interior of the country is going desert | Nov 12 14:18 |
| Sosumi | with the population concentrating in the big cities and perifery | Nov 12 14:19 |
| Sosumi | because that's were the jobs are | Nov 12 14:19 |
| Sosumi | and europe is going old and dying, so is japan | Nov 12 14:20 |
| Sosumi | and the population isn't growing at all | Nov 12 14:20 |
| Sosumi | and the only reason the US is growing is thx to the migrants coming in fromm another countries | Nov 12 14:20 |
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| Sosumi | just like in the UK | Nov 12 14:25 |
| Sosumi | in london natives are becoming a minority | Nov 12 14:25 |
| Sosumi | but then again, for those who do believe in overpopulation | Nov 12 14:26 |
| Sosumi | go protest to stop the wars | Nov 12 14:26 |
| Sosumi | and demand the money to be funneled into the space program | Nov 12 14:27 |
| Sosumi | and solar system colonization | Nov 12 14:27 |
| schestowitz | [19:19] <s-534> @Asher_Wolf "Corporate power is a scourge on democracy", | Nov 12 14:27 |
| schestowitz | [19:19] <s-534> retweeted by writes Victoria Rollison. Its why we have to | Nov 12 14:27 |
| schestowitz | [19:19] <s-534> @Thomas_Drake1 stop the #TPPA http://t.co/n4p0GXl1RV | Nov 12 14:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | theaimn.com | An Open Letter to George Monbiot « The Australian Independent Media Network | Nov 12 14:27 |
| Sosumi | which would in fact work very well as pretest for a post war scenario | Nov 12 14:27 |
| Sosumi | much better than that presented by the club of rome | Nov 12 14:28 |
| Sosumi | in which the global warming drama is based and making humanity itself the enemy | Nov 12 14:28 |
| Sosumi | because hey, the planet is going to blow one day, | Nov 12 14:28 |
| MinceR | do you think such protests would do anything? :> | Nov 12 14:29 |
| Sosumi | the sun will also do funy stuff | Nov 12 14:29 |
| MinceR | yeah, in a couple billion years | Nov 12 14:29 |
| MinceR | humanity is destroying itself on a much faster scale | Nov 12 14:29 |
| Sosumi | well if they're occupy wallstreet like | Nov 12 14:29 |
| Sosumi | with no demands | Nov 12 14:29 |
| Sosumi | no organization | Nov 12 14:29 |
| MinceR | did occupy accomplish anything? | Nov 12 14:30 |
| Sosumi | just anarchysm and the promotion of survival of the fittest (libertarianism, corps preying on the folks with no oversight) | Nov 12 14:30 |
| Sosumi | ofc they wont accomplish anything | Nov 12 14:30 |
| Sosumi | and who cares if it's a million of years away, start working on it now | Nov 12 14:31 |
| Sosumi | or we can just all go party like it's 1999 and when stuff happen, well though luck | Nov 12 14:36 |
| Sosumi | if you're one of the unwashed masses, because the big boys have bunkers and complete underground systems | Nov 12 14:37 |
| Sosumi | as planed and advised by the rand corporation back during the days of MAD | Nov 12 14:37 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 12 14:38 |
| Sosumi | but hey war is kewl | Nov 12 14:39 |
| Sosumi | let's go make a B52 go rogue | Nov 12 14:39 |
| Sosumi | drop a nuke in LA | Nov 12 14:39 |
| Sosumi | and blame it on iRan | Nov 12 14:39 |
| Sosumi | or syria | Nov 12 14:40 |
| Sosumi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_United_States_Air_Force_nuclear_weapons_incident | Nov 12 14:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | 2007 United States Air Force nuclear weapons incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g0vav ] | Nov 12 14:41 |
| Sosumi | https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/11/cryptographic_b.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter | Nov 12 15:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.schneier.com | Schneier on Security: Cryptographic Blunders Revealed by Adobe's Password Leak [ http://ur1.ca/g0vfx ] | Nov 12 15:02 |
| Sosumi | adobe should start using concrete | Nov 12 15:02 |
| Sosumi | it's more "resilient" | Nov 12 15:02 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 12 15:22 |
| MinceR | adobe should start looking for a job they're qualified for | Nov 12 15:22 |
| MinceR | software development is clearly not it | Nov 12 15:22 |
| Sosumi | http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/adobe-construction1.jpg | Nov 12 15:45 |
| Sosumi | maybe that would halve the housing bubble | Nov 12 15:46 |
| Sosumi | since housing prices are still beyond the real price | Nov 12 15:47 |
| Sosumi | actually the best way to buy house at this moment is to get one of those foreclosed houses/apartments | Nov 12 15:48 |
| iophk | or abandoned ones | Nov 12 15:48 |
| iophk | you can get some for 4 figures, low | Nov 12 15:48 |
| Sosumi | for example, my mother's cost 50000€ while the normal price is 125000€ | Nov 12 15:48 |
| iophk | still in ok shape | Nov 12 15:49 |
| Sosumi | just move to detroit :P | Nov 12 15:49 |
| iophk | that would be the downside | Nov 12 15:49 |
| Sosumi | I haven't exactly seen abandoned apartments around here | Nov 12 15:49 |
| Sosumi | although most apartments here at my block (I live with my mother aka the laundry lady) | Nov 12 15:50 |
| Sosumi | are empty | Nov 12 15:50 |
| Sosumi | or on rental for students | Nov 12 15:50 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if adobes are a good fit for various climates, though | Nov 12 15:51 |
| Sosumi | adobes are only good for dry climate | Nov 12 15:51 |
| Sosumi | that's why you see them mostly in africa | Nov 12 15:51 |
| Sosumi | and arabia too | Nov 12 15:52 |
| Sosumi | adobes are also good for earthquake prone areas | Nov 12 15:53 |
| Sosumi | you can easily get out of the rumble | Nov 12 15:53 |
| Sosumi | maybe helen caldicott is going to advise that for japan next time she spills some poison | Nov 12 15:55 |
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| Sosumi | http://slashdot.org/topic/datacenter/nsa-specs-cybersecurity-curriculum-for-21st-century/ | Nov 12 16:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | slashdot.org | NSA Specs Cybersecurity Curriculum for 21st Century [ http://ur1.ca/g0vxi ] | Nov 12 16:17 |
| Sosumi | raytheon, grumman | Nov 12 16:18 |
| Sosumi | two tentacles of the military and intelligence industrial complex | Nov 12 16:18 |
| Sosumi | didn't Eisenhower alert that the military industrial complex would rob "us" of our geniuses? | Nov 12 16:20 |
| Sosumi | and actually, many of the geniuses are recruited from the universities | Nov 12 16:21 |
| Sosumi | it's common practice for the "partners" to have an eye on grades and projects | Nov 12 16:22 |
| Sosumi | and actually if there was something that cliff stoll's cucku egg teached me was that if you're looking into information or trying to infiltrate into military systems | Nov 12 16:24 |
| Sosumi | the best place is to go through an university | Nov 12 16:24 |
| Sosumi | *way, not place | Nov 12 16:25 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3277280 | Nov 12 16:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: New leaks about #GCHQ teach us that running one's own DNS server might not be so paranoid after all. #nsa #malware #slashdot | Nov 12 16:33 |
| schestowitz | "I think I totally got the wrong end of the stick, which almost implies ineptitude, seriously! I understand now that we're talking about running a local DNS server for client resolves, rather than for maintaining one's own public DNS records for local services/etc." | Nov 12 16:34 |
| Sosumi | it's just like some folks say | Nov 12 16:37 |
| Sosumi | just because you're not paranoid, doesn't mean that they aren't out there to get you | Nov 12 16:37 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 12 16:37 |
| Sosumi | https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_aBJyZwt1wE/Un_MBTzXbWI/AAAAAAAAAME/P2T46x0PVy0/w720-h529-no/iLinux.gif | Nov 12 16:46 |
| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/ | Nov 12 16:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | paidcontent.org | paidContent | Nov 12 16:46 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3281627 | Nov 12 16:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Quantum of pwnness: How NSA and GCHQ hacked OPEC and others http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/quantum-of-pwnness-how-nsa-and-gchq-hacked-opec-and-others/ crimes of authorities | Nov 12 16:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | Quantum of pwnness: How NSA and GCHQ hacked OPEC and others | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g0urz ] | Nov 12 16:47 |
| schestowitz | "It must be quite sad to realize that UK became second USA ..." | Nov 12 16:47 |
| Sosumi | wrong | Nov 12 16:47 |
| schestowitz | used to be the opposite.Now the tail wags the dog. | Nov 12 16:48 |
| Sosumi | british intelligence is still the best | Nov 12 16:48 |
| schestowitz | meh | Nov 12 16:48 |
| Sosumi | it's like a teacher of mine used to say | Nov 12 16:48 |
| Sosumi | britain provides the intelligence | Nov 12 16:48 |
| Sosumi | america the bodies | Nov 12 16:49 |
| schestowitz | \ | Nov 12 16:49 |
| Sosumi | *and maerica provides the bodies | Nov 12 16:49 |
| schestowitz | !google africa iraq british intel | Nov 12 16:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Niger uranium forgeries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries | Nov 12 16:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - List of intelligence agencies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_intelligence_agencies | Nov 12 16:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Iraq did not seek to acquire yellowcake uranium - Leading To War ... | http://www.leadingtowar.com/claims_facts_yellowcake.php | Nov 12 16:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - New Fight Over Iraq Nuke Claim - CBS News | http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500257_162-560449.html | Nov 12 16:49 |
| Sosumi | or in other words, the cannon fodder | Nov 12 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Israel does that too | Nov 12 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Both ways | Nov 12 16:49 |
| MinceR | Sosumi: is that a GNU/Linux distribution using Gnome and an OSuX skin? | Nov 12 16:49 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 12 16:49 |
| schestowitz | US supplies the arms | Nov 12 16:50 |
| Sosumi | yep | Nov 12 16:50 |
| Sosumi | MinceR, just found it fun | Nov 12 16:50 |
| MinceR | still better than any version of macos | Nov 12 16:50 |
| schestowitz | and sometimes the US Army comes over with carriers for some oil agenda with a bit of Zionist agenda | Nov 12 16:50 |
| Sosumi | that is true too | Nov 12 16:50 |
| Sosumi | MinceR, osx is dead | Nov 12 16:51 |
| Sosumi | DEAD, kaput | Nov 12 16:51 |
| MinceR | not dead enough | Nov 12 16:51 |
| MinceR | yet | Nov 12 16:51 |
| Sosumi | it died in 2011 | Nov 12 16:51 |
| MinceR | or at least not as dead as i'd like it to be | Nov 12 16:52 |
| Sosumi | when crApple released 10.7 | Nov 12 16:52 |
| Sosumi | let the fools have their shiny junk | Nov 12 16:52 |
| Sosumi | and bath in limitation | Nov 12 16:52 |
| Sosumi | just like they did when they were school children or lived under the oversight of a guardian | Nov 12 16:53 |
| MinceR | so long as there aren't too many of them, to distract hardware and application developers | Nov 12 16:54 |
| MinceR | and to legitimize DRM | Nov 12 16:54 |
| MinceR | and to fund crApple's war on freedom | Nov 12 16:54 |
| Sosumi | for that there's windows already | Nov 12 16:54 |
| Sosumi | and M$ | Nov 12 16:54 |
| MinceR | yeah, winblows isn't as dead as it needs to be, either | Nov 12 16:54 |
| Sosumi | and probably never will, that's a fact | Nov 12 16:55 |
| Sosumi | this is like 2nd phase WWI | Nov 12 16:55 |
| Sosumi | man the trenches and hope for the best | Nov 12 16:55 |
| Sosumi | and attack when disaster hits the enemy | Nov 12 16:56 |
| Sosumi | which so far hasn't been that explored | Nov 12 16:56 |
| schestowitz | [21:14] <s-534> @PTiberias @Thomas_Drake1 We used to wonder how an entire | Nov 12 16:56 |
| schestowitz | [21:14] <s-534> retweeted by nation could fall under the spell of Hitler and | Nov 12 16:56 |
| schestowitz | [21:14] <s-534> @Thomas_Drake1 how his SS could do such evil. I know now. | Nov 12 16:57 |
| Sosumi | like the snowden "confirmations" | Nov 12 16:57 |
| Sosumi | has red hat actually said something or the fedora guys | Nov 12 16:58 |
| Sosumi | nah | Nov 12 16:58 |
| Sosumi | all quiet | Nov 12 16:58 |
| Sosumi | only the advocacy folks seem to actually care | Nov 12 16:58 |
| Sosumi | and who says windows can say facebook and google | Nov 12 16:59 |
| Sosumi | for example, google on a propaganda piece said they were going to encrypt their internal networking | Nov 12 17:03 |
| Sosumi | like if that had any effect | Nov 12 17:04 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3277280 | Nov 12 17:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: New leaks about #GCHQ teach us that running one's own DNS server might not be so paranoid after all. #nsa #malware #slashdot | Nov 12 17:04 |
| schestowitz | "It's the same bind for both, thanks. The IT guy who used to work here had set all that up with ISPConfig on top of Debian and it worked very well for public records and dhcp as well." | Nov 12 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Sosumi: lol | Nov 12 17:05 |
| schestowitz | I encrypt my synapses | Nov 12 17:05 |
| Sosumi | I do airgapping | Nov 12 17:06 |
| Sosumi | only the machines that need to be connected to the internet, actually are | Nov 12 17:06 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3280073 | Nov 12 17:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Your Face and Name Will Appear in Google Ads Starting Today http://gizmodo.com/googles-going-to-start-sticking-your-face-and-name-in-1443861985/1462317340/@ace advertisers get more aggressive over time | Nov 12 17:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> gizmodo.com | Your Face and Name Will Appear in Google Ads Starting Today [ http://ur1.ca/g0qt6 ] | Nov 12 17:08 |
| schestowitz | "Despite the nasty examples provided by non free software owners and jerky websites and big publishers before them, advertising can be honest. There's nothing wrong with simple, anonymous awareness advertising. Simple, local classified ads financed journalism and other useful services." | Nov 12 17:09 |
| Sosumi | google add for tangy tangerine: tangy tangerine is so nutritional that kim jung un was disposed to attack the US in order to steal alex jones's 40 years worth of supply | Nov 12 17:14 |
| MinceR | lol wut | Nov 12 17:17 |
| Sosumi | doesn't alex jones sell snake oil supplements? | Nov 12 17:18 |
| Sosumi | and during that time of north korea hysteria | Nov 12 17:18 |
| Sosumi | he was selling some powder with that name | Nov 12 17:18 |
| Sosumi | the joke at the time and I even said on one of his videos | Nov 12 17:19 |
| Sosumi | was that kimmy boy only wanted to attack the US in order to steal jonesi 40 years old of supply of tangy tangerine | Nov 12 17:19 |
| Sosumi | since during that jonesi was also yaping about barricading his house while "supposedely" everything falls apart | Nov 12 17:21 |
| Sosumi | *supposedly | Nov 12 17:21 |
| Sosumi | and was having at that time that guy steve pchnick or wathever his last name is | Nov 12 17:22 |
| Sosumi | who all he did was to besides talking out of his "butt" about comonsensical things about NKorea | Nov 12 17:23 |
| Sosumi | was also parroting tom clancy | Nov 12 17:24 |
| schestowitz | awww | Nov 12 17:24 |
| schestowitz | jones.. | Nov 12 17:24 |
| schestowitz | who is that person and what is he for? | Nov 12 17:24 |
| schestowitz | What do you make of him? | Nov 12 17:24 |
| Sosumi | jonesi? | Nov 12 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Some good mate of mine reckons he is "controlled opposition" noe | Nov 12 17:24 |
| Sosumi | a con artist | Nov 12 17:24 |
| schestowitz | *now | Nov 12 17:24 |
| schestowitz | whose? | Nov 12 17:24 |
| schestowitz | a lot of what he rouched turns to "conspiracy theory" | Nov 12 17:25 |
| schestowitz | even the true things | Nov 12 17:25 |
| schestowitz | So I know damn well who that serves... | Nov 12 17:25 |
| Sosumi | at the moment he stopped having tarpley in | Nov 12 17:25 |
| schestowitz | tarpley? | Nov 12 17:26 |
| Sosumi | webster tarpley | Nov 12 17:26 |
| Sosumi | is when he actually went full gaga | Nov 12 17:26 |
| schestowitz | in between promoting all sorts of placebos and science fiction, he does touch some real points, but that just helps discredit these points | Nov 12 17:26 |
| schestowitz | Not Sheen? | Nov 12 17:27 |
| Sosumi | Sheen? | Nov 12 17:27 |
| schestowitz | he befriended him | Nov 12 17:28 |
| schestowitz | back in the days | Nov 12 17:28 |
| schestowitz | before Sheen went total loon | Nov 12 17:28 |
| schestowitz | or around that time... | Nov 12 17:28 |
| Sosumi | ho buddy love | Nov 12 17:28 |
| schestowitz | !google sheen alex jones | Nov 12 17:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Charlie Sheen Unleashed: I'm Not Taking It Anymore!! 1/3 - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DQGdshc0AtOE | Nov 12 17:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Inside The Mind Of Charlie Sheen Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a ... | http://www.infowars.com/inside-the-mind-of-charlie-sheen/ | Nov 12 17:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Alex Jones Interviews Charlie Sheen - Infowars | http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/sheen_questions_official_911_story_audio.htm | Nov 12 17:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Alex Jones: Charlie Sheen situation blew up in my face - National ... | http://www.examiner.com/article/alex-jones-charlie-sheen-situation-blew-up-my-face | Nov 12 17:28 |
| Sosumi | the guy who played him on wallstreet | Nov 12 17:28 |
| Sosumi | yes | Nov 12 17:28 |
| Sosumi | yeah, I guess so | Nov 12 17:29 |
| schestowitz | "Jones wanted to give Sheen, his friend, a media outlet to help dispel some of the rumors that are circulating. He also thought the he and Sheen would discuss Sheen's video message to Obama. Media Matters accused Jones of using the Charlie Sheen situation to garner publicity for his own hot topics, namely 9/11 and the fall of Building 7, the Bush administration, the war in Iraq, the TSA and Homeland Security and the Federal Reserve.' | Nov 12 17:29 |
| Sosumi | and it was also during that time he was supporting kokesh guy and his march unto dc with weapons in hand | Nov 12 17:29 |
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| sebsebseb | Nov 12 17:30 | |
| schestowitz | "After reading several articles posted around the Internet, it seems that the vast majority of readers are in full support of Alex Jones and most are concerned for Charlie Sheen. The only people who seem to really be coming out against either of them are the media, as evidenced by this article at The Wire, saying that Alex is even crazier than Sheen and, of course, the above mentioned article at Media Matters." | Nov 12 17:30 |
| schestowitz | I sub'ed to media matters recently | Nov 12 17:30 |
| schestowitz | only to be disappointed | Nov 12 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | Nov 12 17:30 | |
| schestowitz | it's some fake 'leftist' site | Nov 12 17:30 |
| schestowitz | anti-Fox and GOP | Nov 12 17:30 |
| schestowitz | Fox hates them | Nov 12 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: new Linux maazine wanting crowd funding | Nov 12 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | magaine | Nov 12 17:31 |
| schestowitz | But it does shore up the fiction that other channels and politicians are "left" | Nov 12 17:31 |
| schestowitz | or "good" | Nov 12 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Just ignoring one side of the issue | Nov 12 17:31 |
| schestowitz | FAIR is far better than Media Matters | Nov 12 17:31 |
| Sosumi | just to answer your question, about who he is serving | Nov 12 17:32 |
| schestowitz | himself | Nov 12 17:32 |
| schestowitz | but also some others | Nov 12 17:32 |
| Sosumi | well ofc | Nov 12 17:32 |
| schestowitz | they just need to associate criticism with him | Nov 12 17:32 |
| schestowitz | e.g. BBC would show HIM as the anti-Bilderberg | Nov 12 17:33 |
| schestowitz | because he already has reputation for "conspiracy theory" | Nov 12 17:33 |
| schestowitz | And the BBC interview begins by describing him as such to his face | Nov 12 17:33 |
| Sosumi | but he's serving the derregulation, pro-anarchy wings | Nov 12 17:33 |
| Sosumi | ppl like peter thiel for example of the bilderberg stearing comitee | Nov 12 17:34 |
| schestowitz | So that's all sorted, nothing rogue in billionaires meeting politicians in secret at taxpayers' expense with lots of cops and road closures | Nov 12 17:34 |
| Sosumi | and campaign contributor for ron paul | Nov 12 17:34 |
| schestowitz | Paul is OK, I mostly like him | Nov 12 17:34 |
| Sosumi | but look how the big boys tried to discredit the bilderberg protests | Nov 12 17:34 |
| schestowitz | But he got tied up with GOP as of late | Nov 12 17:35 |
| schestowitz | And his son isn't making a good impression, a few policies aside | Nov 12 17:35 |
| schestowitz | They got tied up with the corporatist party | Nov 12 17:35 |
| Sosumi | by featuring in ppl like david icke talking about nonsense | Nov 12 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Atgh | Nov 12 17:35 |
| schestowitz | Icke | Nov 12 17:35 |
| schestowitz | !google openbytes icke | Nov 12 17:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - OpenBytes - Goblin's Domain | From GNU/Linux to Warhammer ... | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/ | Nov 12 17:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The People's Voice – Icke TV | OpenBytes - Goblin's Domain | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2013/10/11/6511/ | Nov 12 17:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Tim Sparrow (Goblin) (_Goblin) on Twitter | https://twitter.com/_Goblin | Nov 12 17:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Tim Sparrow - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/user/Openbytes | Nov 12 17:35 |
| schestowitz | He summed that up recently | Nov 12 17:36 |
| schestowitz | Another case of mixing fiction with fact | Nov 12 17:36 |
| schestowitz | luring people in for facts | Nov 12 17:36 |
| Sosumi | yep | Nov 12 17:36 |
| schestowitz | and then spoonfeeding them batshit crazy stuff | Nov 12 17:36 |
| Sosumi | and putting them running in circles | Nov 12 17:36 |
| schestowitz | like forums that get polluted with "alien" stories | Nov 12 17:37 |
| schestowitz | driving away people who followed them.. | Nov 12 17:37 |
| Sosumi | aliens was the best excuse | Nov 12 17:37 |
| Sosumi | to cover sighting of experimental aircraft | Nov 12 17:37 |
| Sosumi | *sightings | Nov 12 17:38 |
| schestowitz | CNN uses Jones to demonise pro-guns folks | Nov 12 17:38 |
| schestowitz | !google jones cnn guns | Nov 12 17:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Social media abuzz over Piers Morgan vs. Alex Jones - CNN.com | http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/07/us/piers-morgan-guns-debate/ | Nov 12 17:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Opinion: How young people fight guns - CNN.com | http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/17/opinion/jones-gun-control/ | Nov 12 17:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - CNN's Van Jones and S.E. Cupp Blow Up Over Right to Have Guns ... | http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-van-jones-and-s-e-cupp-blow-up-over-right-to-have-guns-in-schools/ | Nov 12 17:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - On CNN's Crossfire, Van Jones Exposes Conservative Media's ... | http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/09/13/on-cnns-crossfire-van-jones-exposes-conservativ/195884 | Nov 12 17:38 |
| Sosumi | making himself be the model of a typical gun owner | Nov 12 17:39 |
| Sosumi | which is false ofc, but then the mudstream media uses to demonize everyone | Nov 12 17:39 |
| Sosumi | but let's just not even stop at jones | Nov 12 17:40 |
| schestowitz | a lot of pro-gun people who follow jones didn't like what they did there and what he too did there | Nov 12 17:40 |
| Sosumi | coast to coast am, is just as bad | Nov 12 17:40 |
| schestowitz | here we have Icke | Nov 12 17:40 |
| schestowitz | a few others, but lesser known | Nov 12 17:40 |
| Sosumi | coast to coast am was arthur bell show | Nov 12 17:41 |
| Sosumi | same junk | Nov 12 17:41 |
| Sosumi | and even older than jones | Nov 12 17:41 |
| Sosumi | and still ongoing, although with a different guy | Nov 12 17:42 |
| Sosumi | Kony Expedition/ Ancient Mysteries | Nov 12 17:43 |
| Sosumi | Thursday November 7, 2013 | Nov 12 17:43 |
| Sosumi | In the first half, author and adventurer Robert Young Pelton discussed his Expedition Kony project, in which he plans to seek out the fugitive warlord and alleged mass murderer Joseph Kony, who is on the run in the jungles of Africa. In the... | Nov 12 17:43 |
| Sosumi | Host: George Noory | Nov 12 17:43 |
| Sosumi | Guest(s): Erich vonDaniken, Robert Young Pelton | Nov 12 17:43 |
| Sosumi | from november 7 | Nov 12 17:43 |
| Sosumi | wasn't that guy erich who got caught for falsifying tablets and the so called crystal skull from the mayas | Nov 12 17:43 |
| Sosumi | after the launch of his book "chariots of the gods" | Nov 12 17:44 |
| Sosumi | actually, back in the day, folks used to laugh saying that daniken had fallen from his chariot | Nov 12 17:44 |
| schestowitz | \\\\\\\kony LOL | Nov 12 17:44 |
| Sosumi | yeah CONA | Nov 12 17:44 |
| Sosumi | or kony | Nov 12 17:45 |
| Sosumi | lawl | Nov 12 17:45 |
| Sosumi | cona is tawt is portuguese, but never mind that | Nov 12 17:45 |
| Snowleaksange | ah i know robert young pleton | Nov 12 17:45 |
| Snowleaksange | thats the dangerous magazine guy | Nov 12 17:45 |
| Snowleaksange | http://dangerousmagazine.com/ | Nov 12 17:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | dangerousmagazine.com | Dangerous Magazine - For Those Who Live On The Edge | Nov 12 17:45 |
| Sosumi | never heard of him | Nov 12 17:47 |
| Sosumi | but from those talk radios | Nov 12 17:47 |
| Sosumi | I heard or read, don't remember | Nov 12 17:48 |
| Sosumi | that at least those about religion were tied to the CIA | Nov 12 17:48 |
| Sosumi | in order instil a sense of "fatalism" in the ppl | Nov 12 17:49 |
| Sosumi | like don't do anything because in the end god is going to save you | Nov 12 17:49 |
| Sosumi | basically disempowring them | Nov 12 17:49 |
| Snowleaksange | eh? religion is a cia plot? | Nov 12 17:49 |
| Sosumi | no, but it can be used for psychological warfare | Nov 12 17:50 |
| schestowitz | can? | Nov 12 17:50 |
| schestowitz | is | Nov 12 17:50 |
| Snowleaksange | i remember pelton tv interviews from few years ago during somali pirate spat | Nov 12 17:50 |
| schestowitz | I was in Church this last Sunday | Nov 12 17:50 |
| schestowitz | witnessing the crainwash | Nov 12 17:50 |
| schestowitz | it's interesting | Nov 12 17:50 |
| schestowitz | They used kids | Nov 12 17:50 |
| Sosumi | well, religion in itself is psychological warframe | Nov 12 17:50 |
| schestowitz | uploaded hours ago: http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/October-November-2013/Church-Album/st-patricks-church8 | Nov 12 17:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | schestowitz.com | st-patricks-church8 [ http://ur1.ca/g0wfw ] | Nov 12 17:51 |
| MinceR | competition among memes :> | Nov 12 17:51 |
| Sosumi | created by the priesthoods of the time and still used | Nov 12 17:51 |
| MinceR | nice effect | Nov 12 17:51 |
| schestowitz | when I go to church, which is not often, I feel a bit like a mole | Nov 12 17:51 |
| Snowleaksange | yeah but anything can be used for psychological warfare | Nov 12 17:51 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 12 17:51 |
| schestowitz | learning the rituals | Nov 12 17:51 |
| Snowleaksange | north korea uses stolen disney characters | Nov 12 17:51 |
| schestowitz | they really do nasty things to the children there, on stage, too... | Nov 12 17:52 |
| Sosumi | because no one said, other than the first priests, that we needed them as mediators between us, the profane and them the adept | Nov 12 17:52 |
| schestowitz | lock-in, fear-instilling, building friendships with imaginary things... | Nov 12 17:52 |
| MinceR | even without priests, religions are dangerous memes | Nov 12 17:52 |
| schestowitz | dangerous to the people | Nov 12 17:53 |
| schestowitz | not to those in power | Nov 12 17:53 |
| Sosumi | exactly | Nov 12 17:53 |
| MinceR | dangerous to the minds it infects | Nov 12 17:53 |
| schestowitz | but the assumption is that to the weak and miserable religion offer a second chance, a next world | Nov 12 17:53 |
| MinceR | corrupting methods of thought, giving wrong but very strongly believed answers to various questions | Nov 12 17:53 |
| schestowitz | I think religion is not derived from authority seeking but from people's lust for eternal life or fear of death | Nov 12 17:54 |
| schestowitz | later it can get miused | Nov 12 17:54 |
| MinceR | pitting people against each other | Nov 12 17:54 |
| Snowleaksange | spiritiualism is evolutionarily adaptive and religions are outgrowths of that | Nov 12 17:54 |
| Sosumi | remember fellow cristians, when the fellow tsa agent pats you down or the evil policeman beats your wife and shoots your dog | Nov 12 17:54 |
| schestowitz | from worshipping the sun to worshipping and building pyramids to God-like "kings' | Nov 12 17:54 |
| MinceR | yeah, fear of death is a strong motivator | Nov 12 17:54 |
| Sosumi | recite romans 13 | Nov 12 17:54 |
| MinceR | fear of the unknown is another | Nov 12 17:54 |
| MinceR | oh, and fear of different people | Nov 12 17:54 |
| schestowitz | religion justifies it | Nov 12 17:55 |
| schestowitz | esp. if they are genetically similar | Nov 12 17:55 |
| schestowitz | likle catholics and protestants in Irland | Nov 12 17:55 |
| Sosumi | "And do this, understanding the present time: The hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed." | Nov 12 17:55 |
| schestowitz | *Ireland | Nov 12 17:55 |
| schestowitz | So it can divide WITHIn a race, too | Nov 12 17:55 |
| schestowitz | Mormons, Jehovag;s Witnesses, etc. | Nov 12 17:55 |
| Snowleaksange | for better or worse god-fun-times are part of humanity | Nov 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | They wasted hours of our time by approaching us when we couldn't run away, I always fainted at the time | Nov 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | teenage "elders" | Nov 12 17:56 |
| Sosumi | yeah, well it's kind of similar to voting, after swalling the frog, by each day that passes you're closer to voting time again | Nov 12 17:56 |
| Sosumi | and again in hope of "change that can be believed in" | Nov 12 17:56 |
| schestowitz | But we got a thick book of mormon.. another thing I can defecate on.. | Nov 12 17:56 |
| Sosumi | you vote again | Nov 12 17:56 |
| Sosumi | and again | Nov 12 17:57 |
| Sosumi | and again | Nov 12 17:57 |
| Sosumi | constantly in hope | Nov 12 17:57 |
| schestowitz | Hope is good | Nov 12 17:57 |
| schestowitz | For everyone | Nov 12 17:57 |
| Sosumi | until it's time to depart this earthly existance | Nov 12 17:57 |
| Sosumi | :P | Nov 12 17:57 |
| Sosumi | hope is | Nov 12 17:57 |
| schestowitz | But it's a hollow thing | Nov 12 17:57 |
| Sosumi | false hope not | Nov 12 17:57 |
| schestowitz | And "faith" | Nov 12 17:57 |
| schestowitz | like faith in Mossad/CIA agent Uri Geller, let's pretend people can do telepathy and shit... | Nov 12 17:58 |
| Sosumi | faith is actually hollow | Nov 12 17:58 |
| schestowitz | a lot of people still "believe" in him | Nov 12 17:58 |
| Sosumi | because you're basing it on dogmas, things that you can't question, according to the priesthood | Nov 12 17:58 |
| schestowitz | and if they believe this propaganda figureheard, they'll believe anything | Nov 12 17:58 |
| Sosumi | actually dogmas are like axioms in math | Nov 12 17:59 |
| schestowitz | men who walk on water and get risen to the sky | Nov 12 17:59 |
| Sosumi | you don't question them nor you demo them | Nov 12 17:59 |
| MinceR | 235657 < schestowitz> But we got a thick book of mormon.. another thing I can defecate on.. | Nov 12 17:59 |
| MinceR | it will get stuck in the toilet | Nov 12 17:59 |
| Sosumi | because they're all the basis for the stuff | Nov 12 17:59 |
| Sosumi | the sun walks on water and get risen into the sky | Nov 12 17:59 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, so it's kept in some drawer for now, maybe I'll toss it in the toilegt of someone I don't like | Nov 12 17:59 |
| schestowitz | [after defecating on it ] :-) | Nov 12 18:00 |
| Sosumi | to die again and be reborn on the next day | Nov 12 18:00 |
| Sosumi | *gets | Nov 12 18:00 |
| MinceR | it can also be used as a weight | Nov 12 18:00 |
| Sosumi | the bible is written in the stars, you got to understand astrology in order to lift the veil | Nov 12 18:01 |
| Sosumi | that's how my teacher used to say | Nov 12 18:01 |
| Sosumi | you have to be initiated into the mysteries | Nov 12 18:01 |
| MinceR | i guess you could create an arbitrary measurement unit so that some measurement of some stars results in a number that is the binary encoding of some version of the bible | Nov 12 18:01 |
| MinceR | doesn't mean anything | Nov 12 18:02 |
| Sosumi | i just means celestial events | Nov 12 18:02 |
| Sosumi | nothing more | Nov 12 18:02 |
| Sosumi | catholicism is a recolection of previous solar and lunar cults | Nov 12 18:02 |
| MinceR | and a lot of newly made-up crap | Nov 12 18:03 |
| Sosumi | yep | Nov 12 18:03 |
| MinceR | like rules that the pope wanted to force on people | Nov 12 18:03 |
| schestowitz | celestial events as we see them from so far apart can be easily predicted years ahead of time | Nov 12 18:03 |
| Snowleaksange | im panbabylonist | Nov 12 18:03 |
| schestowitz | supernovas, collisions, orbits... | Nov 12 18:03 |
| MinceR | what's a panbabylonist? | Nov 12 18:03 |
| Sosumi | yep yep | Nov 12 18:03 |
| Snowleaksange | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panbabylonism | Nov 12 18:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Panbabylonism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g0wik ] | Nov 12 18:03 |
| schestowitz | It's like treating mountains as dice | Nov 12 18:03 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 12 18:03 |
| Sosumi | the system we actually have today | Nov 12 18:04 |
| MinceR | i think i've seen at least one bit of this theory | Nov 12 18:04 |
| Sosumi | was perfected during the babylonian times | Nov 12 18:04 |
| MinceR | not surprising | Nov 12 18:04 |
| Sosumi | and has many incarnations | Nov 12 18:05 |
| Sosumi | wrong | Nov 12 18:06 |
| schestowitz | Kevin Turner spoke to this guy who works for Slashdot now | Nov 12 18:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cio.com/article/448673/Q_A_Microsoft_COO_Kevin_Turner_Talks_Cloud_Computing_ | Nov 12 18:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cio.com | Q&A: Microsoft COO Kevin Turner Talks Cloud Computing - CIO.com [ http://ur1.ca/g0wj6 ] | Nov 12 18:07 |
| Sosumi | I should say metastasis like if it was a cancer | Nov 12 18:07 |
| schestowitz | https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=cr&ei=KbSCUrLyD7O10QW0wYHIAQ#q=Kevin+Fogarty+microsoft http://slashdot.org/topic/author/kevin-fogarty/ | Nov 12 18:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.google.co.uk | Google [ http://ur1.ca/g0wj7 ] | Nov 12 18:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | slashdot.org | Kevin Fogarty - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/g0wjb ] | Nov 12 18:07 |
| Sosumi | and those cults were not also the first spin doctors and king advisors | Nov 12 18:08 |
| Sosumi | but also the first intelligence agencies | Nov 12 18:08 |
| Sosumi | worth checking | Nov 12 18:08 |
| Sosumi | or ask Ron Paul and those southern jurisdiction how the bell is going | Nov 12 18:10 |
| Sosumi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=dkyfkqClECU#t=228 | Nov 12 18:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | The Brotherhood Of The Bell (1970) Full Movie secret society/cult illuminati conspiracy - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g0wjy ] | Nov 12 18:10 |
| Sosumi | I have that one in betamax | Nov 12 18:11 |
| *Sosumi feels ancient :( | Nov 12 18:11 | |
| sebsebseb | Sosumi: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Mark-Shuttleworth-Apologizes-for-the-Trademark-Infringement-Letter-Sent-to-Fixubuntu-com-398583.shtml | Nov 12 18:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | news.softpedia.com | Mark Shuttleworth Apologizes for the Trademark Infringement Letter Sent to Fixubuntu.com [ http://ur1.ca/g0wkh ] | Nov 12 18:14 |
| MinceR | hm, apparently they still notice pr backlash some of the time :> | Nov 12 18:16 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: what's that Canonical? | Nov 12 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Mark-Shuttleworth-Apologizes-for-the-Trademark-Infringement-Letter-Sent-to-Fixubuntu-com-398583.shtml | Nov 12 18:17 |
| MinceR | indeed. | Nov 12 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | I just got onto the article about that | Nov 12 18:17 |
| MinceR | yes, i was referring to that. | Nov 12 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | so not quite sure what it's about, but I guess get the gist from it | Nov 12 18:17 |
| Sosumi | apologies are avoided not remedied, but after the love affair with M$, I'd say what I've said before | Nov 12 18:17 |
| Sosumi | screw moronical and shutleworm | Nov 12 18:17 |
| Sosumi | also, that isn't an apology | Nov 12 18:18 |
| Sosumi | it's just the guy asking to remove the ubuntu branding | Nov 12 18:18 |
| Snowleaksange | hah nice i read the wiki at least http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brotherhood_of_the_Bell | Nov 12 18:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | The Brotherhood of the Bell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g0wl7 ] | Nov 12 18:19 |
| MinceR | well, shuttleworm did say "sorry" in his google+ post | Nov 12 18:19 |
| Sosumi | "It is Dunning, who is willing to return to Los Angeles with Patterson to help him expose the Brotherhood. As the ending credits roll, the voice of a news announcer reads the report of a Los Angeles-bound airliner crashing on takeoff in San Francisco with no survivors" | Nov 12 18:21 |
| Sosumi | :) | Nov 12 18:21 |
| Sosumi | common practice actually | Nov 12 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | in other news Linux voice | Nov 12 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | a new Linux magaine | Nov 12 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | by former LInux Format guys | Nov 12 18:22 |
| Snowleaksange | Linux Infinity is a good magazine name | Nov 12 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | crowd funding compagin | Nov 12 18:22 |
| Snowleaksange | lol i searched linuxinfinity.com which is taken but it gave me suggestion | Nov 12 18:23 |
| Snowleaksange | gnu-infinity.com which is available | Nov 12 18:23 |
| Snowleaksange | not bad | Nov 12 18:23 |
| Snowleaksange | tuxinfinity.com | Nov 12 18:24 |
| Snowleaksange | i guess synonym-dbs important feature for registrar portlas | Nov 12 18:24 |
| Sosumi | anything times infinity is still infinity :) | Nov 12 18:24 |
| Sosumi | not a bad name either | Nov 12 18:25 |
| Snowleaksange | linux-infinity.com, gnuinfinity.com linuxinfinity.xxx linuxinfinitude.org linuxcontinuum.com linux-forever.com opensourceinfinity.com opensourceinfinity.org freesoftwareinfinity.com | Nov 12 18:27 |
| Snowleaksange | i kinda like dashed domains | Nov 12 18:27 |
| MinceR | yeah, much better than powerGenitalia or expertSexchange | Nov 12 18:27 |
| MinceR | but then again, dashes reduce the probability of an user remembering the domain name | Nov 12 18:28 |
| MinceR | also, penisLand | Nov 12 18:28 |
| Sosumi | lol | Nov 12 18:28 |
| MinceR | http://www.citymaxblog.com/top-50-crappiest-domain-names-purchased/1240/ | Nov 12 18:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.citymaxblog.com | The Top 50 Worst and Most Embarrassing Domain Names Ever Purchased - CityMax Small Business Website Builder Blog | CityMax Small Business Website Builder Blog [ http://ur1.ca/g0wmw ] | Nov 12 18:28 |
| Sosumi | but that gave me an idea | Nov 12 18:29 |
| Snowleaksange | it starts getting pretty ridiculous to top infinity | Nov 12 18:29 |
| Snowleaksange | ie linux double infinity | Nov 12 18:29 |
| Snowleaksange | linux infinity infinity | Nov 12 18:29 |
| Sosumi | what if we created a diffamatory page on the net about the new mac pro | Nov 12 18:29 |
| Sosumi | with the registered domain | Nov 12 18:30 |
| Sosumi | www.buttplugpro.com | Nov 12 18:30 |
| MinceR | you could try other infinities | Nov 12 18:30 |
| MinceR | like the cardinality of the continuum :> | Nov 12 18:30 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 12 18:30 |
| Sosumi | and generate so much ruckos that apple would have to buy the thing | Nov 12 18:30 |
| Sosumi | not bad | Nov 12 18:30 |
| Sosumi | it kind of happened with the domain xbone.com | Nov 12 18:31 |
| Snowleaksange | maybe ill just register them all and program a phallanx of bots from different domains to follow me around on irc | Nov 12 18:31 |
| Sosumi | a phallanx | Nov 12 18:31 |
| Sosumi | I liked that term | Nov 12 18:32 |
| Snowleaksange | phalanx* | Nov 12 18:32 |
| Sosumi | well I'm going to bed | Nov 12 18:33 |
| Sosumi | gn | Nov 12 18:35 |
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| DaemonFC | It's not really Thanksgiving that's the problem so much. It's the day after Thanksgiving that really disgusts me. Compulsive Consumerism Day. People load up their cars and mini-vans and go trample other human beings to death over a $6 toaster and some third rate laptops that each Walmart got three of. If you ever need a commentary on the soul-sickness of this country, just watch what people do on Black Friday. | Nov 12 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | shared a link via Slashdot.org. | Nov 12 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://apple.slashdot.org/story/13/11/12/212239/apple-ii-dos-source-code-released?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=facebook | Nov 12 21:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | apple.slashdot.org | Apple II DOS Source Code Released - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/g0xj1 ] | Nov 12 21:09 |
| DaemonFC | This is an example of how proprietary software companies operate. They can't even let go of something that's older than I am under terms that respect user freedom. | Nov 12 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | The prohibition on commercial use means that the software has conditions of use, and is not Free (as in Freedom). | Nov 12 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | Also, **** Apple. | Nov 12 21:10 |
| DaemonFC | shared a link. | Nov 12 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Nov 12 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://punkerslut.com/articles/software_piracy_is_not_piracy.html | Nov 12 21:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | punkerslut.com | Software Piracy Is Not Piracy [ http://ur1.ca/g0xjt ] | Nov 12 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | I generally agree that the concept of "stealing" software is ridiculous, but his understanding of what the public domain is, is very flawed. | Nov 12 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | Even if software binaries ever end up in the public domain (Windows 95 will be in the 2060s, iirc, so have fun waiting for that.), they're nearly worthless, even as a historical curiosity. The entire point of a software company releasing binary-only programs is that they are not human readable. If Windows 95 binaries enter the public domain in the 2060s, nobody will know exactly how this seven decade old relic worked, even if they care to | Nov 12 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | find out. | Nov 12 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | The point of proprietary binary-only software is the total enslavement of every user that chooses to run it. That's why it must be rejected, and schools that teach software development should only teach students how to use Free software. Learning how to use proprietary software might qualify you to be some glorified button-pusher, but it won't teach you anything else. | Nov 12 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | I was going through some old programming manuals and found one that is so old, the pages are turning yellow. | Nov 12 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, it's a book on BASIC. I laughed when I opened it, about 20 years ago, and there was a sample program written in it, which puts the player in an X-Wing and has them destroy the Death Star, after making it through a screen of Tie Fighters, including Darth Vader's. | Nov 12 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | They changed the names of everything. Tie Fighters are Sky Fighters, and Darth Vader is Garth Raider, and so on. | Nov 12 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | And of course, Emperor Palpatine is Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI. Joking. | Nov 12 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | Of course BASIC is still a perfectly usable language. We have FreeBASIC now, and it has GTK+ bindings. You can use it to create real programs that actually do stuff, and have a GUI. | Nov 12 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | shared a link. | Nov 12 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Nov 12 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/11/12/223235/porn-surfing-execs-infecting-corporate-networks-with-malware | Nov 12 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | You see now, how your so-called Corporate Firewall counts for absolutely nothing. Your whole empire of exploitation comes crashing down....all because of one....little...Flash applet. | Nov 12 21:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | tech.slashdot.org | Porn-Surfing Execs Infecting Corporate Networks With Malware - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/g0xpj ] | Nov 12 21:47 |
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| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Nov 12 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | The Democratic Party doesn't like to give Senator Sanders much recognition. It's just as well. That would be too much like giving the Han Solo award to the Rebel Alliance. | Nov 12 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | (credit to Richard Stallman for that one, he used the line when he got the "Linus Torvalds award" on behalf of the Free Software Foundation.) | Nov 12 22:05 |
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| DaemonFC | Sweden is lucky that it doesn't share a border with the United States. We'd have too many desperate Americans running across the border into Sweden so they could commit a crime and receive an increase in their standard of living. | Nov 12 22:27 |
| DaemonFC | Two-thirds of the United States prison population is essentially in there for victimless crimes. I wonder how many of the remaining one-third didn't actually do anything at all except come across one of our corrupt courts. | Nov 12 22:28 |
| Snowleaksange | we need to blog about this stuff harder | Nov 12 22:32 |
| Snowleaksange | change is too slow | Nov 12 22:32 |
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| DaemonFC | Yay. I'm meeting a total stranger off the internet at 4 AM. | Nov 13 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | What could go wrong? | Nov 13 03:27 |
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| iophk | http://opensource.com/education/13/11/linux-kernel-community-growth | Nov 13 04:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | opensource.com | The Linux kernel community learns how to grow more penguins | opensource.com [ http://ur1.ca/g101f ] | Nov 13 04:29 |
| iophk | http://lifehacker.com/how-hard-is-it-to-switch-to-linux-1462916866 | Nov 13 04:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | lifehacker.com | How Hard Is It to Switch to Linux? [ http://ur1.ca/g101k ] | Nov 13 04:30 |
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| iophk | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/11/hammond-sentencing-memo/ | Nov 13 04:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | 10 Year Prison Term Sought for Anonymous Hacktivist Jeremy Hammond | Threat Level | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/g101p ] | Nov 13 04:31 |
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| iophk | another plea agreement, those are really getting abused | Nov 13 04:35 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 13 04:35 |
| schestowitz | seen it | Nov 13 04:35 |
| schestowitz | I have a better article in drafts | Nov 13 04:35 |
| iophk | cool | Nov 13 04:35 |
| schestowitz | the first link was sent by mail by the author to me | Nov 13 04:37 |
| iophk | excellent | Nov 13 04:37 |
| schestowitz | [00:30] <s-534> @schestowitz "firm’s infiltration, monitoring and | Nov 13 04:40 |
| schestowitz | [00:30] <s-534> surveillance of protesters and dissidents, | Nov 13 04:40 |
| schestowitz | [00:30] <s-534> especially in the Occupy movement" | Nov 13 04:40 |
| schestowitz | [00:30] <s-534> http://t.co/NI9NnF5h3a | Nov 13 04:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.truth-out.org | Chris Hedges | The Revolutionaries in Our Midst | Nov 13 04:40 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Bodyeuh/status/400561704590790656 | Nov 13 04:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Bodyeuh: As easy as 123 "@schestowitz: How Hard Is It to Switch to Linux? http://t.co/5BVT89Y3zZ #lifehacker a tad negative on #gnu #linux" | Nov 13 04:53 |
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| schestowitz | I honestly don't think he has much power anymore; his baby grew and got abducted by companies; like RMS vs. OSI et al. | Nov 13 04:53 |
| schestowitz | If one looks at how he opposes #swpats while the W3C (Apple, Microsoft, IBM+former Novell as CEO) boosts them, clearly->loss of power | Nov 13 04:55 |
| schestowitz | But it's only to be expected. I think he would try to convince himself that it's acceptable. | Nov 13 04:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400562412274728960 | Nov 13 04:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz yes, that's quite possible | Nov 13 04:56 |
| schestowitz | Don't count on the (cult of) personalities or put them on a pedestal. Money speaks; he hasn't much. | Nov 13 04:57 |
| schestowitz | Another case of point; Torvalds hates UEFI, but Intel pays his wage through LF, so UEFI Forum gets its way | Nov 13 04:58 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400561708197900288 | Nov 13 04:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz it's hard to see what can be done, except raising awareness and trying to make TimBL see what he's doing... | Nov 13 04:58 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3282145 | Nov 13 05:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux 3.13 To Support EFI On ARM http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTUxMDg | Nov 13 05:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Linux 3.13 To Support EFI On ARM [ http://ur1.ca/g0x0f ] | Nov 13 05:00 |
| schestowitz | "Oh, OK. It seemed about as useless as a row of toggle switches and blinkenlights." | Nov 13 05:00 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400564082522071040 | Nov 13 05:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz yes, seems to be Brendan Eich's view too | Nov 13 05:03 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3282584 | Nov 13 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Kaspersky: Russian Nuclear Plant Runs Windows, Gets Infected With Malware Developed by the #NSA (Stuxnet) http://techrights.org/2013/11/12/stuxnet-in-russia/ | Nov 13 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Kaspersky: Russian Nuclear Plant Runs Windows, Gets Infected With Malware Developed by the NSA (Stuxnet) | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g10a0 ] | Nov 13 05:08 |
| schestowitz | "Oh, snap ... the perils of outsourcing your technology." | Nov 13 05:08 |
| schestowitz | "Accidentally paid for software. Oops." | Nov 13 05:08 |
| schestowitz | "Rosatom dosproved it." | Nov 13 05:08 |
| schestowitz | Link? | Nov 13 05:08 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3282296 | Nov 13 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Spy Files 3: WikiLeaks Sheds More Light On The Global Surveillance Industry http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/spy-files-three #india #wikileaks | Nov 13 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> cis-india.org | Spy Files 3: WikiLeaks Sheds More Light On The Global Surveillance Industry — Centre for Internet and Society [ http://ur1.ca/g0uxu ] | Nov 13 05:08 |
| schestowitz | http://boingboing.net/2013/11/12/the-original-nsa-whistleblower.html | Nov 13 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | boingboing.net | The original NSA whistleblower - Boing Boing [ http://ur1.ca/g10a3 ] | Nov 13 05:08 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3282201 | Nov 13 05:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "the idea that freedom was consistent with the procedures of totalitarianism was self-evidently false." -Moglen http://memex.naughtons.org/archives/2013/11/12/19307 | Nov 13 05:11 |
| schestowitz | "The talks can be found here: http://www.snowdenandthefuture.info/events.html " | Nov 13 05:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> memex.naughtons.org | Memex 1.1 » Blog Archive » Snowden and the Future: what’s really at stake | Nov 13 05:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.snowdenandthefuture.info | Eben Moglen: Snowden and the Future - Events [ http://ur1.ca/g10al ] | Nov 13 05:11 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3280073 | Nov 13 05:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Your Face and Name Will Appear in Google Ads Starting Today http://gizmodo.com/googles-going-to-start-sticking-your-face-and-name-in-1443861985/1462317340/@ace advertisers get more aggressive over time | Nov 13 05:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> gizmodo.com | Your Face and Name Will Appear in Google Ads Starting Today [ http://ur1.ca/g0qt6 ] | Nov 13 05:11 |
| schestowitz | "JFK? Thanks! A fuzzy picture is like a Roche test." | Nov 13 05:11 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3282268 | Nov 13 05:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Video Showing Off Hawaii Desktop Running On Wayland http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTUxMDk #wayland #linux | Nov 13 05:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Video Showing Off Hawaii Desktop Running On Wayland [ http://ur1.ca/g10ar ] | Nov 13 05:12 |
| schestowitz | "Compatibility with legacy software, namely the X applications. When XWayland is finally merged, it will take only the time required to integrate with distributions." | Nov 13 05:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Lichtschachtel/status/400567197774270464 | Nov 13 05:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Lichtschachtel: @schestowitz the new design of #tuxmachines makes the site look a bit like early 90ies. Esp. the background image. Otherwise good work! | Nov 13 05:16 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know the bg image is bad and I don't fancy it, either. It's just a xmas thing, to last another 7 weeks... | Nov 13 05:16 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Lichtschachtel/status/400572829805969408 | Nov 13 05:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Lichtschachtel: @schestowitz gr8! Maybe you would also consider to left-justify the article headings again as centering them gives an uneasy reading exp. | Nov 13 05:45 |
| schestowitz | I'll do this next time I access the server (with nano) | Nov 13 05:46 |
| MinceR | geekings | Nov 13 06:17 |
| iophk | Centered article headings seems ok. | Nov 13 06:49 |
| iophk | *seem | Nov 13 06:49 |
| iophk | It helps separate the title visually from the other heading information. | Nov 13 06:49 |
| iophk | IMHO it would be more important to tune scope and style. | Nov 13 06:50 |
| schestowitz | yeah, but.. | Nov 13 07:27 |
| schestowitz | this one person does not agree | Nov 13 07:27 |
| iophk | Yet another puff piece. I start to question Wired now. | Nov 13 07:40 |
| iophk | http://www.wired.com/business/2013/11/bill-gates-bill-clinton-wired/ | Nov 13 07:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | Bill Gates and President Bill Clinton on the NSA, Safe Sex, and American Exceptionalism | Wired Business | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/g1181 ] | Nov 13 07:40 |
| schestowitz | Wired is reaching new lows | Nov 13 07:52 |
| schestowitz | BTW, some people who worked for clolinton now work for GHates | Nov 13 07:52 |
| schestowitz | for money | Nov 13 07:52 |
| schestowitz | Gate sis in politics | Nov 13 07:52 |
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| iophk | Yes he's been heading into politics more and more. | Nov 13 07:54 |
| iophk | It's troubling that clinton is helping him out now | Nov 13 07:55 |
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| schestowitz | Just because Clinton was less abusive than Bushobama? | Nov 13 08:42 |
| iophk | Because it's general help in politics. | Nov 13 08:46 |
| Sosumi | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/11/13/0358206/facebook-patented-making-nsa-data-handoffs-easier?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter | Nov 13 09:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | yro.slashdot.org | Facebook Patented Making NSA Data Handoffs Easier - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/g1236 ] | Nov 13 09:55 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.osnews.com/story/27416/The_second_operating_system_hiding_in_every_mobile_phone | Nov 13 09:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.osnews.com | The second operating system hiding in every mobile phone [ http://ur1.ca/g1225 ] | Nov 13 09:56 |
| MinceR | i thought this went away with modern mobile OS-es... surprise! | Nov 13 09:58 |
| MinceR | (after all, there was some discussion at some time about how realtime patches to Linux enable running the baseband on the same core as the applications... | Nov 13 09:59 |
| MinceR | ...and they stopped talking of radio-oriented CPU cores as another core) | Nov 13 09:59 |
| MinceR | how does this affect the OpenMoko phones and the New900 phone? | Nov 13 10:00 |
| Sosumi | no idea | Nov 13 10:01 |
| MinceR | hm, one of the comments elucidates it somewhat | Nov 13 10:02 |
| Sosumi | I just linked that because there might be backdoors built in the firmware | Nov 13 10:02 |
| MinceR | "In every phone I'm aware of except the OpenMoko Freerunner (which uses RS-232), the baseband speaks to the "main" SoC through DMA. That's what really makes most smartphones impossible to truly secure." | Nov 13 10:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400632440625963008 | Nov 13 10:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz it would be great to get this out to your networks - http://t.co/idtkF2LBTE they don't want people to know what's in TPP... | Nov 13 10:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> keionline.org | KEI analysis of Wikileaks leak of TPP IPR text, from August 30, 2013 | Knowledge Ecology International | Nov 13 10:02 |
| schestowitz | I have been filled to the rim with other topics; never really covered TPP, don't know enough... | Nov 13 10:02 |
| MinceR | i wonder if it's possible to shut down the baseband processor on a phone you use only as a PDA | Nov 13 10:03 |
| MinceR | and how | Nov 13 10:04 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400640212608376833 | Nov 13 10:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz well, basically ACTA+, will act as template for TAFTA/TTIP | Nov 13 10:05 |
| schestowitz | I spent a lot of time on ACTA, it hardly helped, too much $$$ at stake, like anti-war efforts | Nov 13 10:05 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400640212608376833 | Nov 13 10:06 |
| schestowitz | I am going to write about it later on; I alluded to it yesterday in #techrights but #tuxmachines is apolitical | Nov 13 10:07 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Sosumi iophk just published this a few miinutes ago http://techrights.org/2013/11/13/phones-as-surveillance-devices/ | Nov 13 10:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | Google, Nokia, Samsung and Others Lie About Mobile Back Doors, Other Companies Don’t Even Answer the Questions Because They Are Worse | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g126j ] | Nov 13 10:08 |
| MinceR | saw it on the other channel | Nov 13 10:08 |
| schestowitz | Too bad I didn't see the OSNews article while I was still writing it, I'll shove this link into a followup article, maybe tomorrow | Nov 13 10:08 |
| MinceR | i guess i'll have to resume my efforts to root my Archos 43it | Nov 13 10:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400641274354479104 | Nov 13 10:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz it helped; we stopped it... | Nov 13 10:09 |
| schestowitz | ACTA was stopped only because many groups in many areas (pharma, arga, commece) got involved | Nov 13 10:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400641507889143808 | Nov 13 10:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz OK | Nov 13 10:10 |
| schestowitz | For some things, like SOPA, we need a mob in the street. That wouldn't work for #swpats (niche) | Nov 13 10:10 |
| schestowitz | In the US #swpats are off the agenda now (they speak of "trolls" and "bad patents"), so we lost this battle, for now. #bilski | Nov 13 10:11 |
| iophk | As more phone owners have smartphones, the tracking is going to be a bigger problem. | Nov 13 10:11 |
| Sosumi | yeah just read it | Nov 13 10:12 |
| iophk | Not just governments. I can see competitors wanting to get into meetings and board rooms that way. | Nov 13 10:12 |
| Sosumi | thx for linking | Nov 13 10:12 |
| Sosumi | it's nothing new | Nov 13 10:12 |
| Sosumi | but for those cell phones without removable battery | Nov 13 10:12 |
| Sosumi | just build a small cloth bag | Nov 13 10:12 |
| Sosumi | filled with alluminum sheets inside | Nov 13 10:13 |
| iophk | mylar ought to work too | Nov 13 10:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400642403880550400 | Nov 13 10:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz we need it for TPP and TAFTA... | Nov 13 10:14 |
| schestowitz | I've put this in a short post draft, but I don't know enough for informed opinion TBH | Nov 13 10:14 |
| Sosumi | as long as it is metalic | Nov 13 10:14 |
| schestowitz | usually I just link to analysis in Open Enterprise or TechDirt | Nov 13 10:15 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400643337197068288 | Nov 13 10:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz how can I argue with that...? | Nov 13 10:18 |
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| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/xamarin-and-microsoft-join-forces-to-take-visual-studio-to-ios-and-android/ | Nov 13 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Xamarin and Microsoft join forces to take Visual Studio to iOS and Android | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g12nr ] | Nov 13 11:27 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283858 | Nov 13 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happ | Nov 13 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by latomatemasquee@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_be0ddad64acdcfe02349.jpg | Nov 13 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> homepage.eircom.net | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/g12nu ] | Nov 13 11:28 |
| schestowitz | "That seems normal to me in politic, because politic is not really about facts, but about what we want the reality to become. We don't want the same, that's why we disagree. If a fact is against my politic view, may be i will find another which fit better to support it." | Nov 13 11:28 |
| schestowitz | Sosumi: lovelt | Nov 13 11:30 |
| schestowitz | another article for tomorrow | Nov 13 11:30 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3284874 | Nov 13 11:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Miguel de Icaza=Microsoft http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/xamarin-and-microsoft-join-forces-to-take-visual-studio-to-ios-and-android/ http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Xamarin http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Miguel_de_Icaza | Nov 13 11:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Xamarin - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/4p9ia ] | Nov 13 11:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Miguel de Icaza - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/ai6i5 ] | Nov 13 11:30 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283735 | Nov 13 11:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #religion | Nov 13 11:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by eloi@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_fd20f05d1a87553869f5.jpg | Nov 13 11:31 |
| schestowitz | "It may exist a moment, in the future, when science will meet religion, in this particular matter... (flying, going to the moon, building an arch, building a flying arch)" | Nov 13 11:31 |
| schestowitz | "Practising science does not live outside politics or religion (or economics for that matter). Science is only perfect when you pretend it's just the platonic ideal, and that scientists are practitioners of an ideal where by definition nothing can be wrong with it. It's this same ignoring of the complex, less pleasant realities and only looking at the platonic ideal that many atheists ridicule theists for. Same thought patterns. | Nov 13 11:31 |
| schestowitz | Different labels. The problem isn't science or religion. It's critical thinking and understanding people." | Nov 13 11:31 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3284526 | Nov 13 11:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It Is Not Hard to Switch to GNU/Linux | Nov 13 11:32 |
| schestowitz | "@Jesse, yea, and find out that this old favorite software are just crap." | Nov 13 11:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | It Is Not Hard to Switch to GNU/Linux | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g12p8 ] | Nov 13 11:32 |
| schestowitz | "I have yet to find a replacement for my hobby specific software in Linux that can run under WINE. I'm as big a horn tooter for Linux as anyone but it still stands that unless the software is general and used by everyone, it's not going to be covered under Linux. To give three examples, Adobe Flash (alternatives stink), Echolink (has had trouble with WINE ever since I switched to Ubuntu in 2008), and a popular podcasting program I used | Nov 13 11:33 |
| schestowitz | to use (which was deprecated). It would include buttons in the GUI for sounds you could play while you were recording live. Audacity doesn't even come close to that. The only programs that are replaceable for Linux are general use. I like Blender and GIMP and Audacity and blah blah blah and I realize that lack of software isn't Linux's fault but the fact still remains that in the fields where special software is required, the lack of | Nov 13 11:33 |
| schestowitz | developers is a HUGE problem." | Nov 13 11:33 |
| schestowitz | "True, it is not hard to switch to GNU/Linux ...the only thing is hard is to change some little habits like the way to install apps, and accept (in some case) to put your hands in the engine (ex : install printer/graphical/wifi/blutooth drivers which are not managed by kernel, and something, even for confirmed user it can be a little difficult, e.g. I have this experience with Brother DCP-130C printer on GNU/Linux Mint 13 & 15 on my | Nov 13 11:33 |
| schestowitz | cousin computer : first search drivers, then follow install steps, then test it (ok on mint13 and ko on mint15 which doesn't recognized the printer pluged) in this case the user can be frustrated and go back to windows...)" | Nov 13 11:33 |
| schestowitz | "all adobe CS6 products run under wine, with the correct configuration, iv´e used them, without troubles, just see the wine AppDB ... iv´en using linux for 3 or 4 years, and after a while, you get used to it. GIMP and Inkscape anyway, dont have anything to envy to adobe, but has i already say, if you dont like it, adove CS6 products work well. Autodesk Autocad 2008, and 3ds max 2008 run smooth as well. sketchup make runs and install | Nov 13 11:33 |
| schestowitz | great." | Nov 13 11:34 |
| schestowitz | "microsoft office 2010 runs great to. iv´e tested exel, word, power point for a while, and my mom uses them everyday, withouth troubles, just get used to wine...." | Nov 13 11:34 |
| schestowitz | Initial setup can be done by another company/person IF it doesn't work perfectly out of the box (can choose PC that does work well from top to botton, like this laptop I use ATM) | Nov 13 11:34 |
| schestowitz | Can someone find more links on the Xamarin news? | Nov 13 11:43 |
| schestowitz | Not from a MS booster? | Nov 13 11:44 |
| schestowitz | It's showing Miguel climbing on ballmer's bed again | Nov 13 11:44 |
| Sosumi | authored by Dr pizza aka peter bright | Nov 13 11:47 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283750 | Nov 13 11:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Germans seek their own internet after NSA spying revelations | Nov 13 11:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theweek.co.uk | Germans seek their own internet after NSA spying revelations| NSA News | The Week UK [ http://ur1.ca/g12q9 ] | Nov 13 11:47 |
| schestowitz | Sosumi: yeah | Nov 13 11:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Brazil debates internet law in wake of NSA scandal [ http://ur1.ca/g12qa ] | Nov 13 11:47 |
| schestowitz | Sosumi: his role there is clear | Nov 13 11:48 |
| schestowitz | just look at what he covers and how | Nov 13 11:48 |
| schestowitz | pro patents, DRM, Microsoft, MPEG-LA, Mono, Vista 8... | Nov 13 11:48 |
| Sosumi | he's just a m$ schill | Nov 13 11:48 |
| schestowitz | It's like unofficial Microsoft Enderle | Nov 13 11:48 |
| schestowitz | "I know. I'd just like to see it..." | Nov 13 11:49 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283750 | Nov 13 11:49 |
| schestowitz | To Enderle's credit, he mostly stopped it, having gotten exposed | Nov 13 11:49 |
| schestowitz | Bright ain't that bright, he keeps showing who he works for | Nov 13 11:49 |
| schestowitz | calling MPEG cartel "open" and such.... reversing factual information and upsetting many not just in the FOSS world... Opera too | Nov 13 11:50 |
| iophk | Krill? | Nov 13 11:50 |
| iophk | http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-net/xamarin-teams-microsoft-cross-platform-mobile-development-230730 | Nov 13 11:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | Xamarin teams with Microsoft on cross-platform mobile development | Microsoft net - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/g12tr ] | Nov 13 11:50 |
| iophk | Lock-in is now called cross-platform? | Nov 13 11:52 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3284526 | Nov 13 11:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It Is Not Hard to Switch to GNU/Linux | Nov 13 11:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | It Is Not Hard to Switch to GNU/Linux | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g12p8 ] | Nov 13 11:57 |
| schestowitz | "If you start with a computer with no operating system, with a blank disk, Microsoft is a challenge to install. The first hurdle is to find appropriate installation media. They don't pack a CDROM with every computer any more." | Nov 13 11:57 |
| schestowitz | iophk: Krill is biased also | Nov 13 11:57 |
| schestowitz | He covers lots of MS "open" | Nov 13 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft used him a lot some years ago | Nov 13 11:57 |
| iophk | So there is no real coverage of the news. | Nov 13 11:57 |
| schestowitz | e.g. after gpl violations | Nov 13 11:58 |
| schestowitz | iophk: yes, expected | Nov 13 11:58 |
| schestowitz | maybe Sam Varghese will address the issue in a few days | Nov 13 11:58 |
| schestowitz | and michael larabel maybe | Nov 13 11:58 |
| schestowitz | though he's increasingly being convinced that mono news belongs in ms sites, not phoronix | Nov 13 11:58 |
| schestowitz | Sean Kernel does not cover it much anymore, but he used to | Nov 13 11:59 |
| schestowitz | Paul Ryan, the drpizza colleague, had also helped Mono back in the days | Nov 13 11:59 |
| schestowitz | Check out Mary JF blog | Nov 13 11:59 |
| schestowitz | I bet she'll cover it, lip service calling MS "open" because they help Miguel infact osux, ios and android | Nov 13 12:00 |
| schestowitz | I say it based on experience | Nov 13 12:00 |
| schestowitz | thinking back to who typically covers it | Nov 13 12:00 |
| schestowitz | like the "hit list" for miguel's and Microsoft's marketing team | Nov 13 12:00 |
| Sosumi | wait, is there someone called Sean Kernel | Nov 13 12:01 |
| Sosumi | lol | Nov 13 12:01 |
| schestowitz | Kerner | Nov 13 12:02 |
| schestowitz | oops | Nov 13 12:02 |
| schestowitz | he covers lots of kernel news | Nov 13 12:02 |
| schestowitz | good guy | Nov 13 12:02 |
| Sosumi | :) | Nov 13 12:02 |
| schestowitz | except when he helped Novell and Mono.. | Nov 13 12:02 |
| schestowitz | these days he retweets me sometimes, no tensions there... | Nov 13 12:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283753 | Nov 13 12:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: John McCain says NSA chief Keith Alexander 'should resign or be fired' http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/10/john-mccain-nsa-keith-alexander-snowden publicity stunt? | Nov 13 12:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | John McCain says NSA chief Keith Alexander 'should resign or be fired' | World news | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/g12ql ] | Nov 13 12:03 |
| schestowitz | "I was thinking of the money laundering and racketeering and such." | Nov 13 12:03 |
| Sosumi | outside of Bright, Larabel and Icaza guy I have no idea who the others are | Nov 13 12:03 |
| Sosumi | wasn't Warnutts MacCain meeting with syrian terrorists and promising them weapons and cash | Nov 13 12:04 |
| schestowitz | I heard sp | Nov 13 12:05 |
| schestowitz | and some say he broke the law | Nov 13 12:05 |
| schestowitz | and should thus be droned | Nov 13 12:05 |
| schestowitz | by the CIA :-) | Nov 13 12:05 |
| schestowitz | But different rules apply to poltiicians | Nov 13 12:05 |
| schestowitz | posred 2 mins ago https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285016 | Nov 13 12:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When a political & legal systems are both run by lawyers, it is no wonder that we rarely hear of lawyers (e.g. politicians, judges) in jail | Nov 13 12:05 |
| Sosumi | so why wanting to fire to Keith, they should be best buddies and snif each other xfing xfing | Nov 13 12:05 |
| Sosumi | unless that firing means a promotion to somewhere else | Nov 13 12:06 |
| schestowitz | both come from military | Nov 13 12:06 |
| Sosumi | which it usually does | Nov 13 12:06 |
| schestowitz | and think like war commanders | Nov 13 12:06 |
| schestowitz | esp. with the espionage angle, trying to justify murders they commit | Nov 13 12:06 |
| schestowitz | both were o | Nov 13 12:06 |
| schestowitz | h | Nov 13 12:06 |
| schestowitz | high-level commanders | Nov 13 12:07 |
| schestowitz | the US links military to domestic and foreign surveillance | Nov 13 12:07 |
| schestowitz | why nnot arm all NSA staff with assault rifles too? | Nov 13 12:07 |
| schestowitz | or given soldiers in Iraq a laptop with crackign kits? | Nov 13 12:07 |
| schestowitz | If those two divisions are so incestuous... | Nov 13 12:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400668872832847872 | Nov 13 12:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz thanks | Nov 13 12:08 |
| Sosumi | I see | Nov 13 12:08 |
| Sosumi | but if Keith goes out of the NSA, that means he'll just receive a new position elsewhere | Nov 13 12:08 |
| Sosumi | in government agency or in the private sector | Nov 13 12:09 |
| Sosumi | as it usual happens | Nov 13 12:09 |
| schestowitz | he might leave... to spend less time with your family | Nov 13 12:10 |
| schestowitz | and more with his | Nov 13 12:10 |
| schestowitz | didn't check his age in wikipedia | Nov 13 12:10 |
| schestowitz | but even if he retired, like Patreaus, he'd be consulting to someone, so still doing damage for a salary as armchair lieutenant | Nov 13 12:10 |
| schestowitz | See Kinssinger | Nov 13 12:11 |
| Sosumi | or brezenski | Nov 13 12:11 |
| schestowitz | So old yet so villainous even when not elected... he has his own fiem now working politically in the shadows | Nov 13 12:11 |
| Sosumi | *brzezinski | Nov 13 12:11 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Nov 13 12:12 |
| schestowitz | I showed his photo to my wife the other dau | Nov 13 12:12 |
| schestowitz | because it comes up when searching my name in Google Images | Nov 13 12:12 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, Clapper doesn't get enough flak | Nov 13 12:12 |
| schestowitz | He is more corrupt than Keith A | Nov 13 12:12 |
| schestowitz | He just isn't as high up | Nov 13 12:12 |
| schestowitz | Not publicly | Nov 13 12:12 |
| Sosumi | http://scifitness.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/roy-schestowitz-6.jpg | Nov 13 12:13 |
| Sosumi | is taht you? | Nov 13 12:13 |
| schestowitz | yes [didn't look | Nov 13 12:13 |
| Sosumi | terminator schestowitz | Nov 13 12:13 |
| schestowitz | out of shape | Nov 13 12:13 |
| Sosumi | :P | Nov 13 12:14 |
| Sosumi | I do bodybuilding too | Nov 13 12:14 |
| Sosumi | but I'm nowhere near that | Nov 13 12:14 |
| schestowitz | o got lazy when i started my phd | Nov 13 12:14 |
| Sosumi | I'm not lazy, but the only I'm able to go workout is if do it before classes | Nov 13 12:15 |
| Sosumi | and that means I need to get up at 5:00 every single morning | Nov 13 12:16 |
| schestowitz | I used to do that in school towards the end | Nov 13 12:16 |
| schestowitz | they had a small crappy gym there | Nov 13 12:16 |
| schestowitz | the rest I did at home, sometimes in some gyms | Nov 13 12:16 |
| Sosumi | gladly I have a nice gym just a street across from the university | Nov 13 12:17 |
| Sosumi | near the russian embassy here in lisbon btw | Nov 13 12:17 |
| schestowitz | now I mostly spend the time in the gym (once in two days) resting and typing on the tablet, or doing cardio with my wife... no real routine anymore, just messing about for half the time I used to. Diet is also not srict anymore, had a whole pack of peanuts today between meals | Nov 13 12:17 |
| schestowitz | In RFussian Embassy, gmy goes to YOU | Nov 13 12:18 |
| Sosumi | :) | Nov 13 12:18 |
| schestowitz | wow, just got another mail from redhat | Nov 13 12:19 |
| schestowitz | their people spam me because I run tuxmachines | Nov 13 12:19 |
| schestowitz | they try to make me link to opensource.com | Nov 13 12:19 |
| schestowitz | now to promote SELinxu (NSA) | Nov 13 12:19 |
| schestowitz | > Subject: Dog and cat SELinux analogy from Opensource.com | Nov 13 12:20 |
| schestowitz | > Date: Wednesday, November 13, 2013, 10:12:41 AM | Nov 13 12:20 |
| schestowitz | > From: Ginny Skalski <gskalski@redhat.com> | Nov 13 12:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 13 12:20 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Tuxmachines, | Nov 13 12:20 |
| schestowitz | > Thank you for picking up a few of our posts this week. Sorry to be bombarding | Nov 13 12:20 |
| schestowitz | > your inbox, but we have another Linux-related post this morning that I believe | Nov 13 12:20 |
| schestowitz | > your readers will really appreciate. It's an explanation of the SELinux | Nov 13 12:20 |
| schestowitz | > primary model using illustrations of cats and dogs to explain. You have to see | Nov 13 12:20 |
| schestowitz | > it to understand, but I think your readers will get a kick out of it: | Nov 13 12:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 13 12:20 |
| schestowitz | > Your visual how-to guide for SELinux policy enforcement | Nov 13 12:20 |
| schestowitz | > https://opensource.com/business/13/11/selinux-policy-guide | Nov 13 12:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 13 12:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | opensource.com | Your visual how-to guide for SELinux policy enforcement | opensource.com [ http://ur1.ca/g130r ] | Nov 13 12:20 |
| schestowitz | > Many Thanks, | Nov 13 12:20 |
| schestowitz | > Ginny | Nov 13 12:20 |
| Sosumi | who's Ginny? | Nov 13 12:20 |
| schestowitz | no idea... | Nov 13 12:21 |
| schestowitz | sounds like a fake name :-) | Nov 13 12:21 |
| Sosumi | indeed | Nov 13 12:21 |
| schestowitz | but the email addy suggests it's real | Nov 13 12:21 |
| schestowitz | maybe short for something like Gregory Skalski | Nov 13 12:21 |
| schestowitz | !google Skalski red hat | Nov 13 12:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Ginny Skalski | LinkedIn | http://www.linkedin.com/in/ginnyskal | Nov 13 12:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Re: [Osdc-list] Contribute to our new weekly feature - Red Hat | https://www.redhat.com/archives/osdc-list/2013-July/msg00005.html | Nov 13 12:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Interview with Red Hat CIO Lee Congdon | opensource.com | http://opensource.com/business/13/10/interview-lee-congdon-red-hat-cio | Nov 13 12:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - open source news | opensource.com | http://opensource.com/tags/open-source-news | Nov 13 12:22 |
| schestowitz | "Marketing Specialist for Opensource.com at Red Hat" | Nov 13 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Blech | Nov 13 12:22 |
| schestowitz | Now I feel even more violated | Nov 13 12:22 |
| Sosumi | yeah she's real | Nov 13 12:22 |
| schestowitz | My techrights side says I should say this in twitter | Nov 13 12:22 |
| schestowitz | that they do PR like this | Nov 13 12:23 |
| schestowitz | link pushers | Nov 13 12:23 |
| schestowitz | I already blew off red hat's marketing people | Nov 13 12:24 |
| schestowitz | asking them with strongly worded replies to stop spamming me | Nov 13 12:24 |
| Sosumi | but it appears that they're still doing it | Nov 13 12:25 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285084 | Nov 13 12:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Red Hat's marketing staff is acting like all those "link pushers" which I dislike so much. Even in #tuxmachines - I wish they would stop. | Nov 13 12:25 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283676 | Nov 13 12:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Schools: device for indoctrinating children for the corporate world http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/30003161/film-group-backs-antipiracy-curriculum | Nov 13 12:25 |
| schestowitz | "I know a teacher who is forced to use pirated software in the school's computer pool due to budget cuts." | Nov 13 12:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.stuff.co.nz | Film group backs antipiracy curriculum | Stuff.co.nz [ http://ur1.ca/g131q ] | Nov 13 12:25 |
| schestowitz | iophk: take a load http://www.zdnet.com/why-theres-no-good-reason-to-buy-a-chromebook-7000023009/ | Nov 13 12:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zdnet.com | Why there's no good reason to buy a Chromebook | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/g137c ] | Nov 13 12:35 |
| Sosumi | actually there is one good reason | Nov 13 12:36 |
| Sosumi | specially if we're talking about the high end model | Nov 13 12:36 |
| Sosumi | to install gnu/linux | Nov 13 12:37 |
| Sosumi | and don't go into S&M in order to get the windows tax refund | Nov 13 12:37 |
| iophk | schestowitz: yeah, they're frightened of chrombooks. | Nov 13 12:55 |
| iophk | Or maybe of anything without M$ | Nov 13 12:56 |
| iophk | Though I think that the chromebook's best market is the low end. | Nov 13 12:56 |
| iophk | High end has only the pixel. | Nov 13 12:57 |
| iophk | The Chromebook as marketed is almost more of a thin client. | Nov 13 12:58 |
| iophk | At least all the storage is intended to be locked into Google. | Nov 13 12:58 |
| iophk | sosumi: the high end model is nice, but pricey | Nov 13 12:59 |
| iophk | http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/public-sector/2013/11/conservatives-erase-internet-h.html | Nov 13 13:02 |
| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/13/conservative-party-archive-speeches-internet | Nov 13 13:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerweekly.com | Conservatives erase Internet history - Public Sector IT [ http://ur1.ca/g11ig ] | Nov 13 13:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Conservative party deletes archive of speeches from internet | Politics | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/g13h1 ] | Nov 13 13:02 |
| schestowitz | iophk: seen it 10 mins ago | Nov 13 13:04 |
| iophk | ok | Nov 13 13:04 |
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| schestowitz | > i read your post at http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/61660 | Nov 13 13:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tuxmachines.org | Theme, Ads, Format, Scope, Etc. | Tux Machines | Nov 13 13:46 |
| schestowitz | > but i have a question, the background theme loads the webpage a bit | Nov 13 13:47 |
| schestowitz | > slowly on some devices like cellphones, and off course many other | Nov 13 13:47 |
| schestowitz | > countries like my India have a very very slow internet connection and | Nov 13 13:47 |
| schestowitz | > thus it takes a longer time to load the webpage although it is of | Nov 13 13:47 |
| schestowitz | > fraction of seconds, and one more thing i want to say that there are | Nov 13 13:47 |
| schestowitz | > very less websites related to open source and Linux movement, i | Nov 13 13:47 |
| schestowitz | > appreciate your work towards tuxmachines.The poll thing in previous | Nov 13 13:47 |
| schestowitz | > tuxmachines was a very good choice but my opinion is that you should | Nov 13 13:47 |
| schestowitz | > continue to poll.thanks. | Nov 13 13:47 |
| schestowitz | The only images I added to the theme are very small, some are like 1 KB or something around that region. I don't plan to push beyond that. Rendering speed for pages ought to be similar too, as I didn't add up anything which hits CPU/RAM at either side (server and client). | Nov 13 13:47 |
| MinceR | http://rt.com/usa/seattle-mesh-network-disabled-676/ | Nov 13 13:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | rt.com | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/g13r1 ] | Nov 13 13:55 |
| schestowitz | Fedlecting to Russia and China: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/technology/terminator-robots-calls-ban-drones-2786333 | Nov 13 13:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.mirror.co.uk | Terminator Robots: Calls for ban on drones 'which can select their own targets to kill' - Mirror Online [ http://ur1.ca/g13r7 ] | Nov 13 13:56 |
| MinceR | http://www.pidjin.net/2012/09/20/reality-show/ | Nov 13 13:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.pidjin.net | Reality show « Fredo and Pidjin. The Webcomic. [ http://ur1.ca/g13ro ] | Nov 13 13:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/bob-flores-former-cto-of-the-cia-to-keynote-csa-congress-2013-231734641.html | Nov 13 14:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.prnewswire.com | Bob Flores, Former CTO of the CIA, to Keynote CSA Congress 2013 -- ORLANDO, Fla., Nov. 13, 2013 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- [ http://ur1.ca/g13u4 ] | Nov 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz | !google cia collect everything forever | Nov 13 14:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - CIA Has Plan to 'Collect Everything and Hang on to it Forever ... | https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/03/21-2 | Nov 13 14:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - CIA's big data mission: 'Collect everything and hang onto it forever ... | http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/21/cias-big-data-mission-collect-everything-and-hang-onto-it-forever/ | Nov 13 14:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - CIA's Tech Head on Your Data: 'We Try To Collect Everything - Gawker | http://gawker.com/5991731/ | Nov 13 14:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - CIA's Gus Hunt On Big Data: We 'Try To Collect Everything And ... | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/20/cia-gus-hunt-big-data_n_2917842.html | Nov 13 14:10 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: posted the seattle thing, thanks | Nov 13 14:10 |
| MinceR | np | Nov 13 14:10 |
| iophk | Isn't voice 8-bit, mono sound with a low sample rate? | Nov 13 14:11 |
| iophk | The CIA could store a lot compressed. | Nov 13 14:14 |
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| sebsebseb | hi jono | Nov 13 14:20 |
| jono | hey sebsebseb | Nov 13 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | jono: are you doing your Q&A stil? | Nov 13 14:20 |
| jono | sebsebseb, changed the time to Tuesdays | Nov 13 14:20 |
| jono | did it yesterday | Nov 13 14:20 |
| jono | and I just did a session on 14.04 goals | Nov 13 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | some sort of Ubuntu 14.10 video or something on there now | Nov 13 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | looking like the Q&A | Nov 13 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | jono: yeah I just loaded that up there's a video | Nov 13 14:21 |
| sebsebseb | I thought you might have changed the day | Nov 13 14:21 |
| sebsebseb | jono: Tuesday at the same time? | Nov 13 14:21 |
| sebsebseb | why the daychange, better day for you? | Nov 13 14:21 |
| sebsebseb | jono: won't be there next Tuesday, I got to go toa organisers meeting, where we wlil decide on what distros and interfaces to have for an event | Nov 13 14:22 |
| sebsebseb | assuming it's the same time | Nov 13 14:23 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: TPP article out | Nov 13 14:23 |
| jono | sebsebseb, conflict | Nov 13 14:23 |
| jono | so I need to change it | Nov 13 14:23 |
| jono | gotta run, later | Nov 13 14:23 |
| sebsebseb | jono: ok bye for now | Nov 13 14:24 |
| jono | bye sebsebseb! :-) | Nov 13 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | jono: not sure why I am getting a :) ,but ok I guess :d | Nov 13 14:25 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: yeah | Nov 13 14:39 |
| schestowitz | and plenty more to come | Nov 13 14:39 |
| schestowitz | also see my twitter/diaspora feed | Nov 13 14:39 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: been following | Nov 13 14:41 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: absolutely horrendous | Nov 13 14:41 |
| schestowitz | censorship. against egenerics, copyrigth maximalism, EVERYTHING | Nov 13 14:44 |
| schestowitz | in one big bundle | Nov 13 14:44 |
| schestowitz | and Obama tried fast-tracking it through progress | Nov 13 14:44 |
| XFaCE | yep pretty much | Nov 13 14:44 |
| schestowitz | like MS in ISO | Nov 13 14:44 |
| schestowitz | with OOXML | Nov 13 14:44 |
| schestowitz | While it was all secret | Nov 13 14:44 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: amazingly, he met resistance | Nov 13 14:44 |
| schestowitz | like OOXML | Nov 13 14:44 |
| schestowitz | before techrights leaked OOXML | Nov 13 14:44 |
| schestowitz | someone leaked it through us | Nov 13 14:44 |
| schestowitz | and we got legal threats for it, veiled threats | Nov 13 14:44 |
| schestowitz | so I took it down, they scared me | Nov 13 14:45 |
| schestowitz | that was in 2008 | Nov 13 14:45 |
| schestowitz | how can one fast-track something secret? | Nov 13 14:45 |
| schestowitz | Says a lot about who Obama serves... | Nov 13 14:45 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: didn't stop the bush admin :P | Nov 13 14:45 |
| XFaCE | heh | Nov 13 14:45 |
| XFaCE | yep | Nov 13 14:45 |
| schestowitz | Having the US as a trade partner is often like having Microsoft as a partner | Nov 13 14:46 |
| schestowitz | one one side gains | Nov 13 14:46 |
| schestowitz | and if you don't agree to give up, they do the Yang treatment on you | Nov 13 14:46 |
| schestowitz | or invade you in other ways | Nov 13 14:46 |
| schestowitz | moles, Icahn | Nov 13 14:46 |
| schestowitz | CIA, allgations of rape, coup, drone strikes, nuclear poisoning, public shaming with NSA-provided data | Nov 13 14:47 |
| iophk | old - http://darksleep.com/notablog/articles/Intellectual_Property_Is_Fraud | Nov 13 14:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | darksleep.com | Intellectual Property Is Fraud - darksleep.com/notablog [ http://ur1.ca/g142h ] | Nov 13 14:55 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285661 | Nov 13 15:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: RT @wikileaks #TPP contains "WikiLeaks" clause that criminalises non-profit publication of copyrighted docs http://t.co/7Gc5GPB7q3 | Nov 13 15:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> wikileaks.org | Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP) | Nov 13 15:05 |
| schestowitz | "so, unauthorized commercial use isn't allowed, due to copyright and non-commercial use isn't allowed due to this mess of this crap agreement.|" | Nov 13 15:05 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285317 | Nov 13 15:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: More NSA transparency would lead to bigger privacy invasion, agency lawyer says http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/13/5099592/al-franken-questions-officials-in-surveillance-transparency-act-hearing #nsa aggression | Nov 13 15:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theverge.com | More NSA transparency would lead to bigger privacy invasion, agency lawyer says | The Verge [ http://ur1.ca/g145b ] | Nov 13 15:06 |
| schestowitz | ""When your privacy is invaded and you don't know about it then it's not invasion of privacy", according to (I think) rep. Mike Rogers." | Nov 13 15:06 |
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| schestowitz | I searched the Web for this quote, can't find it... :/ | Nov 13 15:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 13 15:08 |
| schestowitz | when it comes to the spying skandal there is no hope in legislation. the agencies did not obey to the law in the past and they will not do so in the future. | Nov 13 15:08 |
| schestowitz | so either the net itself comes up with a solution to this existencial threat or it will cease to exist and become sth unusable and obscene. | Nov 13 15:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 13 15:08 |
| MinceR | i've seen that quote on The Daily Show | Nov 13 15:25 |
| MinceR | but i don't know which episode | Nov 13 15:25 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285317 | Nov 13 15:35 |
| schestowitz | "It was on #techdirt (where else ;-) ) https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131029/18020225059/ " | Nov 13 15:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.techdirt.com | Mike Rogers: You Can't Have Your Privacy Violated If You Don't Know About It | Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/g14b6 ] | Nov 13 15:35 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285885 | Nov 13 15:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @jay_cobbs@pod.geraspora.de: Ich fands schon gruselig festzustellen, dass google mein g+ Foto bei Bekannten ins Android-Adressbuch kopiert hat, ohne zu fragen... wenn das jetzt noch unaufgefordert und ohne jede Verbindung passiert.. | Nov 13 15:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.engadget.com | Google will soon display your Google+ photo when you call an Android phone [ http://ur1.ca/g14bh ] | Nov 13 15:36 |
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| sebsebseb | rff | Nov 13 15:48 |
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| sebsebseb | hi DaemonFC | Nov 13 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | hello | Nov 13 15:53 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Humble Store uhmm right ok, but then I can't buy from it | Nov 13 15:54 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: so I guess I get to keep my cash then | Nov 13 15:55 |
| sebsebseb | I emailed them earlier, but no reply yet | Nov 13 15:55 |
| schestowitz | http://mrpogson.com/2013/11/07/like-father-like-son/ pretty well made video | Nov 13 16:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | Like Father Like Son | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/g14qv ] | Nov 13 16:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/400744637897637889 | Nov 13 17:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @gnutelephony: @schestowitz @linuxfoundation reminds me of what happened when canonical hired Microsoft people | Nov 13 17:18 |
| schestowitz | Don't worry, the @linuxfoundation knows what it's doing. Next thing you know the guy will hire ex-pats from Microsoft | Nov 13 17:19 |
| schestowitz | Friend brings a friend. Remember how #VMware got taken over by #microsoft execs thanks to Tucci/EMC | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400749248226283520 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400750401009758208 | Nov 13 17:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Australia backs the US at every turn against its own consumers http://t.co/m9lrNnJiwb #tpp #politics #corruption #secrecy | Nov 13 17:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.smh.com.au | Australia backs the US at every turn against its own consumers | Nov 13 17:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Australia could derive great pride and massive intl' karma by defending and helping #assange - instead it decided to embarrass itself | Nov 13 17:22 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3286343 | Nov 13 17:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.joindiaspora.com | #who #is #seattle... [ http://ur1.ca/g14x4 ] | Nov 13 17:24 |
| schestowitz | Fox? Really?! They would never label people for agenda of Rupert and his goons.... | Nov 13 17:24 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286348 | Nov 13 17:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Australia could derive great pride and massive intl' karma by defending and helping #assange - instead it decided to embarrass itself | Nov 13 17:26 |
| schestowitz | "They have to service the needs of the master, like almost every other country...." | Nov 13 17:26 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286092 | Nov 13 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Earth Under Water in Next 20 Years - National Geographic Documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9TX7aJQe6s #hd version | Nov 13 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | (HD) Earth Under Water in Next 20 Years - National Geographic Documentary - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g14vv ] | Nov 13 17:30 |
| schestowitz | "Floating cities the new Noah ...... cycles .......... Vision." | Nov 13 17:30 |
| schestowitz | hard to grow food in floating cities, can't self-suffice... | Nov 13 17:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 13 17:31 |
| schestowitz | The sea wall construction at New Orleans looks amazing - something that USA is really good at large scale civil engineering - protect people as well as industry ...... | Nov 13 17:31 |
| schestowitz | But if the there is no global warming as the politicians try telling people ....... then this engineering would not be taking place. | Nov 13 17:31 |
| MinceR | could use hydroponics and seasteading | Nov 13 17:31 |
| schestowitz | So where are the hypocrites ...... ask them ..... why spend Billions on sea defences if you do not actually believe there is anything in climate change. | Nov 13 17:31 |
| schestowitz | Actions are showing that they know ..... so how high is that sea wall because that gives some idea of how much more water they are expecting at that one point ...... New Orleans is it more likely due to the weather fronts from what is being shown on the net .......... | Nov 13 17:31 |
| schestowitz | https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=New+Orleans&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=5fiDUumCFsvJswaByYH4Dg#q=New+Orleans+cyclones+predictions+2014 | Nov 13 17:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.google.co.uk | New Orleans - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/g14ym ] | Nov 13 17:31 |
| schestowitz | The actions speak louder ....... so next year what precautions are being taken at other low lying industrial parts of the USA. | Nov 13 17:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 13 17:31 |
| MinceR | not easy to house 7 billion humans, though | Nov 13 17:31 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286343 | Nov 13 17:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @rocapc@joindiaspora.com: #who #is #seattle #city #council #candidate #kshama #sawant ? | Nov 13 17:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by rocapc@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_294b21d1f306a2f57c57.jpg | Nov 13 17:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> q13fox.com | Who is Seattle City Council candidate Kshama Sawant? | Q13 FOX News [ http://ur1.ca/g14yy ] | Nov 13 17:35 |
| schestowitz | "Who votes on this election? When? Why does it take so long to count the votes? (I know I could find the answers myself by searching a bit, bur maybe there's someone here who knows)." | Nov 13 17:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: seaworld? | Nov 13 17:35 |
| MinceR | dunno | Nov 13 17:35 |
| MinceR | waterworld? | Nov 13 17:36 |
| MinceR | (bonus pun: "water you waiting for?") | Nov 13 17:36 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 13 17:40 |
| schestowitz | waterworld | Nov 13 17:40 |
| schestowitz | I watched it in the cinema at the time | Nov 13 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Kevin Costner IIRC | Nov 13 17:40 |
| schestowitz | Quite a shitty and depressing film | Nov 13 17:41 |
| schestowitz | but it received decent reviews at the time | Nov 13 17:41 |
| schestowitz | It's like Mad Max, watery edition | Nov 13 17:41 |
| schestowitz | http://youtu.be/d7LAN_FB1Nc | Nov 13 17:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Waterworld Theatrical Trailer - YouTube | Nov 13 17:41 |
| schestowitz | just posted by someone at https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286092 | Nov 13 17:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Earth Under Water in Next 20 Years - National Geographic Documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9TX7aJQe6s #hd version | Nov 13 17:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | (HD) Earth Under Water in Next 20 Years - National Geographic Documentary - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g14vv ] | Nov 13 17:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400751914528559104 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400752305974542336 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400753273541779456 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400754638489915392 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400754959433883648 | Nov 13 17:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: MAD cover https://t.co/U8IISCP3xA | Nov 13 17:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 2013: adults uploading (w/o consent) photos of their (grand)children; kids as young as 10 uploading photos of elderly family members. | Nov 13 17:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: #Trademark Law Does Not Require Companies To Tirelessly Censor the Internet https://t.co/HPDA5XiY67 #canonical #ubuntu #privacy #censorship | Nov 13 17:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.eff.org | Trademark Law Does Not Require Companies To Tirelessly Censor the Internet | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Nov 13 17:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Criminal terror charges filed against Obama http://t.co/y8vC705xXM "Egyptian lawyers have filed criminal terrorism charge" | Nov 13 17:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.wnd.com | Criminal terror charges filed against Obama | Nov 13 17:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: These terrorism charges are ridiculous. ಠ_ಠ The #CIA and Obama/Democrats don't support terrorists, they only provide training and weapons. | Nov 13 17:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400757008636592128 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400756420708405249 | Nov 13 17:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Attaining popular complicity by threatening with retribution for irregular behaviour... for life. http://t.co/jvXeIB7B3Y | Nov 13 17:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.thenation.com | Boxed In: How a Criminal Record Keeps You Unemployed For Life | The Nation | Nov 13 17:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: TAFTA cartoon https://t.co/si5OXInmbk | Nov 13 17:55 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286510 | Nov 13 17:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ### Under #Surveillance | Nov 13 17:57 |
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| schestowitz | "What about Firegloves?" | Nov 13 17:57 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.71 | Nov 13 17:57 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_478b124510091ac0ecd7.jpg | Nov 13 17:59 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3280916 | Nov 13 18:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @bkoehn@diaspora.koehn.com: Deepak Chopra is a very charismatic, intelligent businessman. Much like other preachers in our society (Glenn Beck, Harold Camping, Rand Paul), he's engaging, charming, and plays well to his base. He's also making this stuff up as he goes. | Nov 13 18:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> scienceblogs.com | Deepak Chopra continues his woo-ful whining – Respectful Insolence [ http://ur1.ca/g1550 ] | Nov 13 18:07 |
| schestowitz | http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/11/12/deepak-chopra-continues-his-woo-ful-whining/ | Nov 13 18:08 |
| schestowitz | "Once again, Chopra conflates atheism and skepticism, as though the two were the same thing. " | Nov 13 18:08 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 13 18:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400760241874538496 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400761790042501120 | Nov 13 18:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Weird: #java wins in a performance benchmark http://t.co/1DwTYNgj8N | Nov 13 18:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.javaworld.com | Surprise! Java is fastest for server-side Web apps - JavaWorld | Nov 13 18:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Diaspora https://t.co/Pszpdr0ERe #freedom #communication #censorship #freespeech | Nov 13 18:10 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: nn | Nov 13 18:10 |
| MinceR | thx | Nov 13 18:11 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286607 | Nov 13 18:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Diaspora https://diasp.org/uploads/images/scaled_full_7929bbc491b6c10bd872.png #freedom #communication #censorship #freespeech | Nov 13 18:12 |
| schestowitz | "Freedom to choose." | Nov 13 18:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400762823585705985 | Nov 13 18:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: First #p2p and now "online gambling is a strategic national threat because terrorists could use it to launder money" https://t.co/bf1D7JURC4 | Nov 13 18:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.schneier.com | Schneier on Security: Bizarre Online Gambling Movie-Plot Threat | Nov 13 18:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_Grk96_hJs | Nov 13 18:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | The Netherlands: Police clash with anti-Marine Le Pen protesters - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g156y ] | Nov 13 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer I've never seen anything that hostile to data recovery efforts. The NTFS partition was incredibly corrupted, and the file system was impossible to mount. The ntfs fixer application in ntfsprogs wasn't able to do anything with it. The chkdsk in the recovery console on a Windows 8.1 evaluation disc was going so slow that the timer was saying 999 hours. I'm glad we don't have anything like that with ext4. Note to self: Never store | Nov 13 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | anything important on Microsoft's file system. | Nov 13 18:31 |
| Sosumi | oddly enough I've never seen a corrupted NTFS | Nov 13 18:47 |
| Sosumi | but I shouldn't mention HFS, that thing was a nightmare sometimes | Nov 13 18:48 |
| Sosumi | but yeah, I'm yet to experience problems with ext3/4 | Nov 13 18:50 |
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| Sosumi | gn | Nov 13 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | After spending all day in a failed attempt to salvage data from a corrupted Windows NTFS partition.... a delightful comparison between Windows 8 and Fedora GNULinux. | Nov 13 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 8: | Nov 13 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | Windows does not alert the user to SMART warnings. The hard drive could basically be screaming that it is about to die, and Windows will not alert the user. | Nov 13 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | NTFS's design still sucks. Chkdsk was running so slowly that the estimated time to completion was 42 days. | Nov 13 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | Many file system errors will make it impossible to mount the drive until they are manually fixed by the user, with Chkdsk. | Nov 13 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 8 could not be more useless in helping you to get your computer running again after you have file system errors that take out one or more critical system files. | Nov 13 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft still puts system data and user data on one large partition, so you can lose everything if a partition is corrupt, or you need to re-install the OS. | Nov 13 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora GNU/Linux: | Nov 13 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | If the hard drive has a SMART warning, the operating system notifies the user immediately. | Nov 13 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | ext4 spends 1-2 seconds doing a journal replay each boot, and about 1-2 minutes on every 100th boot, doing a thorough file system check. | Nov 13 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | Most file system errors are self-healing. | Nov 13 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | If the superblock is corrupt, there are at least half a dozen backup copies in the file system layout. | Nov 13 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | My system, data, and boot partitions are separate. I can re-install the OS or format the system partition and install the newer version of the OS without disrupting any of my files or settings. | Nov 13 19:23 |
| DaemonFC | There is no "product activator" that will lock me out of my computer if I re-install the operating system. | Nov 13 19:23 |
| Sosumi | big volumes and winblows | Nov 13 19:30 |
| Sosumi | is it even possible to put the users home folder in a separate disk or partition? | Nov 13 19:31 |
| Sosumi | on linux and osx up to 10.6 doing so is a piece of cake | Nov 13 19:32 |
| Sosumi | on windows, I've hear that is necessary to play with some audit mode and it's not very direct | Nov 13 19:32 |
| Sosumi | but alas, winblows | Nov 13 19:36 |
| Sosumi | http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/184/c/6/triple_facepalm_by_spottedheart98464-d3kuyp3.png | Nov 13 19:36 |
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| brendyn | auto playind audio ont techrights -.- | Nov 13 22:58 |
| brendyn | schestowitz: replace arch with parabola on the site. you just dont need arch anymore | Nov 13 23:03 |
| schestowitz | naaaa | Nov 14 01:18 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285943 | Nov 14 01:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @linux@joindiaspora.com: CyanogenMod publishes new Installer app on Google Play http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/cyanogenmod-publishes-installer-app-on-google-play/ | Nov 14 01:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | CyanogenMod publishes new Installer app on Google Play | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g171j ] | Nov 14 01:18 |
| schestowitz | "Still trying to figure if these guys have jumped the evil shark or not. Appartently the CLA gives them the right to relicense contributed code to whatever they wish, and they have analytics code in the OS. Still, at this stage the code seems to be FOSS and it has more privacy protection than stock Android." | Nov 14 01:18 |
| schestowitz | "What I really want is a full FOSS phone with a real selection of apps. Hmmm..." | Nov 14 01:18 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3284184 | Nov 14 01:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google as Flag Bearer of GNU/Linux | Nov 14 01:23 |
| schestowitz | "The proper thing for Google to do about real names is to tell people that Google alias brings no real privacy and why that's so. Google knows that non free software and ISPs spy on users. The only thing less ethical than forcing people to use real names is offering them a false sense of privacy." | Nov 14 01:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Google as Flag Bearer of GNU/Linux | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g172f ] | Nov 14 01:23 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3280072 | Nov 14 01:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hillsboro School District considering open-source solutions in wake of failed bond measure http://www.oregonlive.com/hillsboro/index.ssf/2013/11/hillsboro_school_district_cons_1.html #gnu #linux | Nov 14 01:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.oregonlive.com | Hillsboro School District considering open-source solutions in wake of failed bond measure | OregonLive.com [ http://ur1.ca/g0qa2 ] | Nov 14 01:24 |
| schestowitz | "I'm in the process of drafting an email to Don Wolf, the person in charge of IT there, to suggest Debian-Edu/Skolelinux as an alternative to Ubuntu. You had a great little piece on Techrights about it that I found and it looks like the answer to their problems. If it's good enough for 196 schools around the world it's got to be good enough for the Hillsboro school district, no?" | Nov 14 01:24 |
| schestowitz | "@Will: I went to school in an adjacent school district to this one. Around 2002 the district was in dire need of computer upgrades when along came Chipzilla and M$ to donate funds to purchase brand new Dell desktops with shiny new Windows XP and P4s. Compensation I guess for the PFCs billowing out of their smokestacks every night after dark. I don't know what that stuff is, but I do know that it's not frost on the grass outside the | Nov 14 01:25 |
| schestowitz | half-dozen Intel campuses every morning. You damn near can't throw a rock in Washington County without hitting something related to Intel." | Nov 14 01:25 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285842 | Nov 14 01:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Surveillance through a real ID system (crowdsourced to us) http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/06/google-profile-photos-android-calls/ #google #privacy #android | Nov 14 01:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.engadget.com | Google will soon display your Google+ photo when you call an Android phone [ http://ur1.ca/g14bh ] | Nov 14 01:27 |
| schestowitz | "I find it annoying to be honest. I have uploaded several abstract images, and a couple real images, to gmail, and to google from a couple different computers over the last 7 or 8 years. And then at one point, my Android phone shows six different images of 'me' in its photo gallery. Without having activated gmail on that phone ... google had ID'd me by some means (web browsing habits?) and uploaded the images, near as I can tell. It | Nov 14 01:28 |
| schestowitz | was creepy." | Nov 14 01:28 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286427 | Nov 14 01:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Trademark Law Does Not Require Companies To Tirelessly Censor the Internet | Nov 14 01:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.eff.org | Trademark Law Does Not Require Companies To Tirelessly Censor the Internet | Electronic Frontier Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/g14je ] | Nov 14 01:28 |
| schestowitz | "A very informative, and generous I think, explanation. Thanks for sharing it." | Nov 14 01:28 |
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| schestowitz | "A very informative, and generous I think, explanation. Thanks for sharing it." | Nov 14 01:46 |
| schestowitz | [06:21] <s-668> @slashdot SnapChat Turns Down $3 Billion Offer From | Nov 14 01:46 |
| schestowitz | [06:21] <s-668> Facebook http://t.co/QJDec6EVyz | Nov 14 01:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | news.slashdot.org | SnapChat Turns Down $3 Billion Offer From Facebook - Slashdot | Nov 14 01:46 |
| schestowitz | [06:21] <s-668> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/g1726 | Nov 14 01:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @slashdot: SnapChat Turns Down $3 Billion Offer From Facebook http://t.co/QJDec6EVyz | Nov 14 01:46 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283858 | Nov 14 02:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that happ | Nov 14 02:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by latomatemasquee@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_be0ddad64acdcfe02349.jpg | Nov 14 02:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> homepage.eircom.net | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/g12nu ] | Nov 14 02:18 |
| schestowitz | "If you don't change your mind when the facts change, you have no business telling other people what to do." | Nov 14 02:18 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283733 | Nov 14 02:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: biscuit drooling vaseline... | Nov 14 02:18 |
| schestowitz | "buttered biscuit" | Nov 14 02:18 |
| schestowitz | That image is so disturbing." https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286236 | Nov 14 02:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: **ET wants to go home**<BR> | Nov 14 02:19 |
| schestowitz | "Why? because she can look up her own nostrils?" | Nov 14 02:19 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285793 | Nov 14 02:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #Linux Voice magazine passes £16K on Indiegogo http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/linux-voice/ let's help them achieve their target #opensource #FOSS | Nov 14 02:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.indiegogo.com | Linux Voice | Indiegogo [ http://ur1.ca/g0k7f ] | Nov 14 02:20 |
| schestowitz | Holy crap. They have FACES!" | Nov 14 02:20 |
| schestowitz | http://lessig.tumblr.com/post/66872107425/this-idea-is-really-late-but-tuesday-november | Nov 14 02:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | lessig.tumblr.com | Lessig Blog, v2 [ http://ur1.ca/g17g5 ] | Nov 14 02:22 |
| iophk | http://www.computerhistory.org/atchm/apple-ii-dos-source-code/ | Nov 14 02:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerhistory.org | Computer History Museum | @CHM : Apple II DOS source code [ http://ur1.ca/g17ix ] | Nov 14 02:33 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283681 | Nov 14 03:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: If sharing is the moral equivalent of murder, as the #copyright #monopoly likes to insinuate, then what the moral equivalent of propaganda? | Nov 14 03:02 |
| schestowitz | "Charity, of course, is the moral equivalent of propaganda in the upside down world of PR." | Nov 14 03:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286427 | Nov 14 03:02 |
| schestowitz | "I'm puzzled now. Doesn't Canonical operate from a different jurisdiction than USA? I mean there's no 1st amendment in UK, is there?" | Nov 14 03:02 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283628 | Nov 14 03:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: How Hard Is It to Switch to Linux? http://lifehacker.com/how-hard-is-it-to-switch-to-linux-1462916866 #lifehacker a tad negative on #gnu #linux | Nov 14 03:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> lifehacker.com | How Hard Is It to Switch to Linux? [ http://ur1.ca/g101k ] | Nov 14 03:03 |
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| iophk | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/11/nokia-under-elop-his-3-years-performance-review-worst-ceo-of-all-time-all-the-facts-in-pictures.html | Nov 14 04:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Nokia Under Elop - His 3 Years: Performance Review - Worst CEO of All Time - All the Facts - In Pictures [ http://ur1.ca/g182w ] | Nov 14 04:01 |
| iophk | Even those that initially denied it now have to admit that Elop was a mole. | Nov 14 04:02 |
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| MinceR | they won't | Nov 14 04:14 |
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| oiaohm | iophk: you are a optimist. If they admit publicly he is a Mole it will trigger insider trading laws. | Nov 14 04:41 |
| iophk | On the Nokia side, from where I see it, there is something that needs investigating. Maybe jail time is in order for some of the board. | Nov 14 04:42 |
| oiaohm | Jail time for the board/ex ceo for miss management has to be a possiblity. | Nov 14 04:45 |
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| oiaohm | iophk: punishing the board or ex ceo does not require admitting he is a mole. | Nov 14 04:47 |
| iophk | true | Nov 14 04:47 |
| iophk | Admitting he is a mole would put M$ into all kinds of trouble. | Nov 14 04:47 |
| iophk | That would be a separate issue. | Nov 14 04:47 |
| MinceR | also consider that they regularly engage in revisionalism | Nov 14 04:48 |
| MinceR | they're willing to lie about bigger things than elop being a mole | Nov 14 04:48 |
| iophk | Yes and they've been still trying to paint him as having "saved" Nokia | Nov 14 04:49 |
| iophk | I wonder if there is a way to charge him for being a mole and try him for it. Then if guilty, proceed against M$ | Nov 14 04:50 |
| oiaohm | iophk: I am sorry to say the biggest mistake was nokia refusing android out right. | Nov 14 04:51 |
| oiaohm | iophk: or any third party made OS outright. | Nov 14 04:51 |
| iophk | I though Meego was on the way to being a success. | Nov 14 04:51 |
| iophk | It was a good alternative to Android. | Nov 14 04:51 |
| oiaohm | iophk: and that was pre Elop | Nov 14 04:51 |
| iophk | Yes. | Nov 14 04:51 |
| iophk | Elop was there to run the company into the ground. | Nov 14 04:52 |
| MinceR | MeeGo would have worked, if the elopocalypse didn't happen. | Nov 14 04:52 |
| iophk | It was in his contract. | Nov 14 04:52 |
| oiaohm | Samsung has had there own OS with Tizen and baba before that. | Nov 14 04:52 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Meego could have remained small like Tizen and baba | Nov 14 04:52 |
| oiaohm | The big nokia mistake was being unwilling to keep up with competition. | Nov 14 04:53 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: Tizen isn't even started yet | Nov 14 04:54 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: o it started. | Nov 14 04:54 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the first tizen device is a camera. | Nov 14 04:54 |
| MinceR | still, there's no reason why nokia couldn't offer both android and meego | Nov 14 04:54 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: cameras are irrelevant to this discussion. | Nov 14 04:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: really not so. | Nov 14 04:55 |
| oiaohm | HTC motorola and Samsung ie Nokia biggest competition have been spreeding there interests. | Nov 14 04:55 |
| oiaohm | Yes there was no reason why nokia could not have gone android meego and windows phone like everyone else. | Nov 14 04:56 |
| MinceR | please explain how a single Tizen camera being out means Tizen will remain small. | Nov 14 04:56 |
| oiaohm | Also not diversiving. made them more open to attack. | Nov 14 04:56 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its just the current trends. | Nov 14 04:57 |
| MinceR | offering winblows phone would have been a waste of resources, though | Nov 14 04:57 |
| oiaohm | Tizen is not going to grow quick. | Nov 14 04:57 |
| MinceR | if samsung wants it to grow quick, it will | Nov 14 04:57 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: samsung and HTC.... also have been offering token Windows phone devices. | Nov 14 04:58 |
| MinceR | and samsung wants to be less dependent on google | Nov 14 04:58 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: even in their case, it was a waste of resources. | Nov 14 04:58 |
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| MinceR | winblows phone has no value proposition and nobody wants it. | Nov 14 04:58 |
| MinceR | it's worse than most dumbphone os-es | Nov 14 04:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: but it making sure you are offering a item even for the smallest percentage of customers. | Nov 14 04:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes there are some MS fans out there. | Nov 14 04:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: we wish they did not exist. | Nov 14 04:59 |
| oiaohm | But its marketing. | Nov 14 04:59 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: think of it this way MS fan knows samsung has a windows phone so when someone asks brand they trust they say samsung. | Nov 14 05:00 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and most likely the person ends up buying Something samsung that is android. | Nov 14 05:00 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically you want market share you service even the idiots. | Nov 14 05:01 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure how realistic that scenario is | Nov 14 05:01 |
| MinceR | and it does cost time and money to put hardware under winblows phone and put it into the distribution channels. | Nov 14 05:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: 1 they don't make a unique board for Winblows phones. | Nov 14 05:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: 2 they attempt recover some of the cost by demarding lower patent deals from Microsoft. | Nov 14 05:03 |
| MinceR | it would have been more reasonable to refuse patent deals with them | Nov 14 05:05 |
| oiaohm | Unfortunally not that posible. | Nov 14 05:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: annoying as hell fat and other patented locked filesystems got made standard on common memory cards. | Nov 14 05:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: since these are the defaults its legal for those flash devices to use those file system layout data for flash optimisation. | Nov 14 05:08 |
| iophk | It isn't even an appropriate file system for more than data loss. | Nov 14 05:08 |
| oiaohm | iophk: you will have more on some flash devices using anything other than fat. | Nov 14 05:09 |
| oiaohm | iophk: ie flash internal blanking will blank areas that are not marked as allocated by the fat on some. | Nov 14 05:09 |
| oiaohm | Yes patents and standards are complete prick combinations. | Nov 14 05:10 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: at http://techrights.org/2013/11/12/fossil-fuel-and-storms/#postcomment | Nov 14 05:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ( status 404 @ http://techrights.org/2013/11/12/fossil-fuel-and-storms/#postcomment ) | Nov 14 05:30 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: you should have posted potholer54 vids :) | Nov 14 05:30 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: the vfat patent could be attacked | Nov 14 05:46 |
| iophk | MinceR: that would be good in and of itself, because of the patents in general, but vfat itself is not worth having. | Nov 14 05:47 |
| MinceR | it was demonstrated that Linus published the idea before m$ implemented it | Nov 14 05:47 |
| MinceR | also, most of the supposed m$ patents are just smoke and mirrors. | Nov 14 05:48 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: not all the patent was defeated. | Nov 14 06:04 |
| MinceR | what part wasn't? | Nov 14 06:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Linux patent avoiding method is just create the long filename skip creating the small in MS format. | Nov 14 06:05 |
| MinceR | afaik the Linus post was about how to create the short filename | Nov 14 06:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Note I said MS format. | Nov 14 06:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Linus own format was slightly different. | Nov 14 06:06 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: afaik that doesn't save the patent | Nov 14 06:06 |
| oiaohm | Yes evil embedded controllers. | Nov 14 06:06 |
| MinceR | also, a big enough hw maker could just decline supporting vfat | Nov 14 06:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Samsung is working on achiving that. | Nov 14 06:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the patent has handled challage. | Nov 14 06:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: good thing is dies in the next few years. | Nov 14 06:08 |
| oiaohm | then exfat becomes the next problem. | Nov 14 06:08 |
| MinceR | now they only have to block exfat | Nov 14 06:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and particular flash memory times exfat is mandory. | Nov 14 06:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: SDXC cards are all exfat | Nov 14 06:10 |
| MinceR | time for a new standard, then | Nov 14 06:10 |
| oiaohm | I agree | Nov 14 06:10 |
| MinceR | or attack SDXC because they mandated a patent-encumbered filesystem. | Nov 14 06:10 |
| MinceR | several camera makers could come up with their own memory card formats | Nov 14 06:10 |
| MinceR | if the guys in charge of SD insist on this bullshit, they can be abandoned. | Nov 14 06:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you cannot reformat SDXC cards to other than exfat as well without risking big issues. | Nov 14 06:11 |
| MinceR | i strongly suspect that at this point the companies threatened by m$ patents have a lot more power (money, market cap, etc.) than m$. | Nov 14 06:11 |
| iophk | Those companies have not worked together before to stand up to M$ | Nov 14 06:13 |
| MinceR | plus m$ can't manufacture sd cards themselves, afaik | Nov 14 06:13 |
| MinceR | well, it's time for them to gang up | Nov 14 06:13 |
| iophk | it is classic divide-and-conquer | Nov 14 06:13 |
| iophk | yes it's time for them to do so. They have a lot to lose if they don't. | Nov 14 06:13 |
| iophk | And a lot to gain if they do. | Nov 14 06:13 |
| oiaohm | Issue here is Microsoft brick wall. | Nov 14 06:13 |
| oiaohm | Look at the number of file systems Microsoft supports. | Nov 14 06:13 |
| oiaohm | Its bugger all. | Nov 14 06:14 |
| MinceR | the card reader or phone could come with filesystem drivers | Nov 14 06:14 |
| oiaohm | Then items like UDF that you should be able to use on flash and cdrom drives | Nov 14 06:14 |
| MinceR | also, the filesystem could be accessed over a LAN. | Nov 14 06:14 |
| MinceR | afaik even with MTP it's not much of an issue | Nov 14 06:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you are on the right track. | Nov 14 06:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes MTP standard is partly about breaking out of th MS mess. | Nov 14 06:14 |
| MinceR | then again, MTP is probably patent-encumbered itself | Nov 14 06:15 |
| iophk | Including the necessary drivers has been done before. | Nov 14 06:15 |
| MinceR | (at least i had the impression that it's a m$ thing) | Nov 14 06:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: MTP is a MS thing but MS also has given a patent promise over it. | Nov 14 06:16 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: MS thought it was a completely failed item after zune it came from died. | Nov 14 06:16 |
| yang | how come that techrights blog is so frewuently updated, who contributes all these articles? | Nov 14 06:17 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 14 06:17 |
| MinceR | yang: it's mostly Roy | Nov 14 06:17 |
| MinceR | afaik | Nov 14 06:17 |
| yang | oh | Nov 14 06:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remembr you need MS support by any underhanded means. | Nov 14 06:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: MTP falls into that cap. | Nov 14 06:17 |
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| oiaohm | Hmm the mono microsoft deal could get interesting | Nov 14 07:21 |
| iophk | Interesting as in an interesting mess that spreads. | Nov 14 07:21 |
| iophk | I don't look forward to it again. | Nov 14 07:22 |
| oiaohm | iophk: its a interesting mess due to the legal sides. | Nov 14 07:22 |
| iophk | They've encroache on a lot of games, too. | Nov 14 07:22 |
| oiaohm | Its almost like MS is desprate. | Nov 14 07:22 |
| iophk | They are. | Nov 14 07:22 |
| oiaohm | By holdng mono at arms lenth they could in future use patents agaist it. | Nov 14 07:22 |
| iophk | Their two source of income are becoming irrelevant. | Nov 14 07:22 |
| oiaohm | Now not this gets interesting. | Nov 14 07:23 |
| iophk | They could still use patents, even if they 'help' it along. | Nov 14 07:23 |
| iophk | Their involvement makes the case for patent ownership in Mono stronger. | Nov 14 07:23 |
| iophk | Stuff written in mono is slow and unstable, probably also insecure, but it's so seldom used. | Nov 14 07:25 |
| iophk | so few reports are made | Nov 14 07:25 |
| oiaohm | iophk: read closer MS is shipping it themselves. | Nov 14 07:37 |
| oiaohm | iophk: its a bit hard to sue your own product. | Nov 14 07:37 |
| iophk | They've demonstrated a lot of gall in the past. | Nov 14 07:38 |
| iophk | Maybe they would sue their own user? | Nov 14 07:38 |
| oiaohm | iophk: also not a legal valid option. | Nov 14 07:38 |
| oiaohm | iophk: to sue their own user they are required to declare the effected patents in advance. | Nov 14 07:38 |
| oiaohm | iophk: the laws against entrapment come into play. | Nov 14 07:39 |
| brendyn | website doesnt make much sense. how do i find articles about flash? | Nov 14 07:39 |
| iophk | IANAL but maybe they are just trying to get it spread so they can then demand payment. | Nov 14 07:40 |
| iophk | at some later date. | Nov 14 07:40 |
| iophk | brendyn: try +site:techrights.org in your search engine | Nov 14 07:40 |
| brendyn | hmmm ok, do you happen to know of a page summarising the main problems with flash? | Nov 14 07:42 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: flash is disappearing. | Nov 14 07:43 |
| brendyn | i know | Nov 14 07:44 |
| iophk | brendyn: I'm not finding a separate page for Flash | Nov 14 07:45 |
| iophk | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Search/Flash | Nov 14 07:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | Search results - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g19f8 ] | Nov 14 07:45 |
| iophk | Only a few of the wiki pages mention it. | Nov 14 07:46 |
| iophk | It is mentioned more in the main posts. | Nov 14 07:46 |
| brendyn | i just saw some mistake GNU as an alternative for 'Linux' lol | Nov 14 07:49 |
| iophk | GNU/kfreebsd ? | Nov 14 07:49 |
| iophk | on Debian? | Nov 14 07:49 |
| brendyn | no | Nov 14 07:50 |
| brendyn | Linux meanind GNU/Linux | Nov 14 07:52 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: busybox/Linux | Nov 14 07:53 |
| brendyn | your missing the point | Nov 14 07:53 |
| oiaohm | I think you missed mine. | Nov 14 07:54 |
| oiaohm | Most rounters are not GNU/Linux | Nov 14 07:54 |
| oiaohm | Most rounters are in fact some branch of busybox/Linux | Nov 14 07:54 |
| brendyn | your point doesnt seem related to mine, and you are responding to me | Nov 14 07:55 |
| oiaohm | Also GNU does have a kernel of it own. | Nov 14 07:55 |
| oiaohm | A pure GNU system is a Hurd system. | Nov 14 07:55 |
| brendyn | ... | Nov 14 07:56 |
| brendyn | calm down lol | Nov 14 07:56 |
| oiaohm | http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html | Nov 14 07:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.gnu.org | hurd [ http://ur1.ca/2evey ] | Nov 14 07:56 |
| oiaohm | Yes there is a OS kernel named hurd | Nov 14 07:56 |
| brendyn | i know... | Nov 14 07:57 |
| brendyn | you *are* missing the point | Nov 14 07:57 |
| oiaohm | So person could be right as GNU as a alterative to GNU/Linux if they are taking about a hurd system. | Nov 14 07:57 |
| MinceR | what libc does busybox use? | Nov 14 07:57 |
| MinceR | also, the compiler and linker might matter too, and those are still GNU, afaik | Nov 14 07:57 |
| brendyn | they are not right | Nov 14 07:57 |
| brendyn | oiaohm: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/wiio.html | Nov 14 07:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cs.tut.fi | A commentary of Wiio's laws | Nov 14 07:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: normally one of the highly compact libc. dietlibc for example is in busybox routers. | Nov 14 07:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: computer gcc or llvm | Nov 14 07:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: or so other custom mips or other horibles. | Nov 14 07:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so basically a busybox/LInux system is quite a arms lenght to a normal GNU/Linux system. | Nov 14 07:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember in a router every bit counts. | Nov 14 08:02 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: I know a few people who think GNU and Linux are one and the same. | Nov 14 08:02 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: it get funny when you point out that hurd started development before Linus even wrote 1 line of code on Linux. | Nov 14 08:03 |
| brendyn | why does that make it funny? | Nov 14 08:04 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: seems to be a fuzzy case between GNU and non-GNU, then | Nov 14 08:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: all the parts are normally GPL licenses but they are mostly not GNU projects. | Nov 14 08:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes just because something is GPL does not mean its GNU either. | Nov 14 08:05 |
| MinceR | yeah, but the GNU in GNU/Linux doesn't stand for the license | Nov 14 08:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: GNU in GNU linux stands for the projects from gnu.org used. | Nov 14 08:06 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: what is the funny bit is why hurd taken so long to develop. | Nov 14 08:06 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: hurd has taken so long to develop because its too resistant to crashing and stopping. | Nov 14 08:07 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yes, and you could for example use gcc and gmake, but not glibc, to build the busybox you run on the router | Nov 14 08:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: but when the router is running gnu and gmake are not present. | Nov 14 08:07 |
| MinceR | does that make them not matter? | Nov 14 08:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: from dotted i and crossed t tenically they are no longer counted. | Nov 14 08:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: because the GNU/Linux and busybox/Linux are both refering to what is present in the device. | Nov 14 08:09 |
| brendyn | oiaohm: ? | Nov 14 08:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also gcc might have been swapped out with llvm. | Nov 14 08:09 |
| brendyn | that is a load of nonsense | Nov 14 08:09 |
| MinceR | also, what if i install busybox on a GNU/Linux system? :> | Nov 14 08:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also there are other makes that can process gnumake files. | Nov 14 08:10 |
| MinceR | there's also GNU running in a chroot on an Android/Linux system... and Android running on a chroot (but still owning init and the hardware) on a GNU/Linux system | Nov 14 08:10 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: hurd is a full microkernel design. With auto subsystem restart. | Nov 14 08:11 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: so a hurd system can be repeatly crashing core parts and restarting them while still keeping applications running. | Nov 14 08:11 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: making the thing the worlds worst OS to attemp to debug. | Nov 14 08:12 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: sign of a hurd system in trouble its running slow. | Nov 14 08:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: system classification gets horible at times. | Nov 14 08:13 |
| MinceR | my point exactly | Nov 14 08:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: have you ever seen the title. GNU/Linux/L4 or it written the other way. | Nov 14 08:14 |
| brendyn | hmm seems pretty suspect to say its actually caused by resistance to crashing and stopping | Nov 14 08:14 |
| MinceR | i've heard of L4 but i don't think i've seen the title. | Nov 14 08:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that is a horible system where the L4 microkernel is the bottom. | Nov 14 08:15 |
| MinceR | why is it horrible? | Nov 14 08:15 |
| fewt | o/ | Nov 14 08:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it more written L4/Linux/GNU. | Nov 14 08:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its just all the extra places for things to go wrong. | Nov 14 08:16 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 14 08:16 |
| MinceR | can L4 resurrect its services? | Nov 14 08:16 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes it can. | Nov 14 08:16 |
| MinceR | i guess Linux itself might be tricky to resurrect seamlessly | Nov 14 08:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also it can be running some stuff in RTOS mode as well. | Nov 14 08:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes conflit between what Linux kernel is doing and RTOS in L4 say hello to hell. | Nov 14 08:17 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: I was more desribing what is going on when its resistance to stopping when it hurd has been unable to resist items crashing. | Nov 14 08:27 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: Yes you can end up in a circile loop of crashing with hurd. | Nov 14 08:27 |
| brendyn | i thought the problem was timing and apps messaging each other? | Nov 14 08:27 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: monolithic kernels like Linux have issue system stops. | Nov 14 08:27 |
| brendyn | cant you just say 'give up after 10 restarts'? | Nov 14 08:28 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: by then do you have the record of what sent it south in the first place. | Nov 14 08:28 |
| brendyn | i dont know | Nov 14 08:29 |
| brendyn | but the bigger concern is infinite loops isnt it? | Nov 14 08:29 |
| MinceR | you can probably tell it to not restart anything | Nov 14 08:29 |
| oiaohm | It is in fact infinite loops and having what started them. | Nov 14 08:29 |
| brendyn | why doesnt my trivial solution work then? | Nov 14 08:30 |
| oiaohm | By 10 restarts if disc io has been out you have no logs. | Nov 14 08:30 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: so effectively you know nothing. | Nov 14 08:30 |
| brendyn | unlucky | Nov 14 08:30 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: first 8 years of hurd development the most common falures were in disc io. | Nov 14 08:31 |
| brendyn | that is a problem regardless isnt it? | Nov 14 08:31 |
| oiaohm | Not that bad for linux that stops straight away and prints the error to screen. | Nov 14 08:31 |
| oiaohm | Developers get good clues where the bad lines of code are. | Nov 14 08:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: is on the right track. The simplest from development point of view don't restart anything. | Nov 14 08:33 |
| oiaohm | Something goes wrong print a message out by what ever means possible. | Nov 14 08:33 |
| MinceR | also, you could log to network or RS-232 | Nov 14 08:35 |
| MinceR | or even line printer :> | Nov 14 08:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the most insane is morse code it out by the keyboard leds. | Nov 14 08:36 |
| MinceR | i could think of more insane things | Nov 14 08:37 |
| MinceR | like morse code it out of turning a fan on and off. | Nov 14 08:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: but that could be hardware harmful. | Nov 14 08:38 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 14 08:38 |
| MinceR | i didn't say it was a good idea, only that it was insane. | Nov 14 08:38 |
| oiaohm | Ok I should have been more clear. | Nov 14 08:38 |
| oiaohm | Most insane that at least made it into next release Linux patck of patches at some point. | Nov 14 08:39 |
| oiaohm | That is morse code flashing keyboard lights. | Nov 14 08:39 |
| oiaohm | Never made it mainline. | Nov 14 08:39 |
| oiaohm | Has just missed out twice. | Nov 14 08:39 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 14 08:41 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: hurd is funny because the the feature they were attempting to create was the very one that ruined it. | Nov 14 08:44 |
| brendyn | how are they going with that problem today? | Nov 14 08:45 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: problem is the damage is done. | Nov 14 08:46 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: Linux project has ended up with most of the OS core developers. | Nov 14 08:46 |
| brendyn | they are not fixing it | Nov 14 08:47 |
| brendyn | ? | Nov 14 08:47 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: hurd is still developing but its the size of the development team now. | Nov 14 08:47 |
| brendyn | anyway good night | Nov 14 08:50 |
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| Sosumi | the lisbon metro guys are going nuts | Nov 14 09:44 |
| Sosumi | today when everyone is coming out of the buses and going up the stairs | Nov 14 09:45 |
| Sosumi | the first metro departs with no one onboard | Nov 14 09:45 |
| Sosumi | second metro, the guy was constantly accelerating and desaccelerating | Nov 14 09:46 |
| Sosumi | when I reached my destination | Nov 14 09:46 |
| Sosumi | all I wanted was to puke | Nov 14 09:46 |
| Sosumi | seriously :( | Nov 14 09:46 |
| MinceR | here they tend to jerk randomly back and forth before stopping | Nov 14 09:50 |
| MinceR | so you fall over if you aren't sitting | Nov 14 09:51 |
| MinceR | it's like the drivers are having seizures | Nov 14 09:51 |
| Sosumi | lack of professionalism | Nov 14 09:52 |
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| Sosumi | also M$ now as an online visual studio | Nov 14 10:54 |
| Sosumi | they besides wanting your documents also want youre code | Nov 14 10:55 |
| Sosumi | *your | Nov 14 10:55 |
| Sosumi | they also had VS priced out of range | Nov 14 10:55 |
| Sosumi | 16000€ for the complete version | Nov 14 10:56 |
| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/we-still-dont-encrypt-server-to-server-data-admits-microsoft/ | Nov 14 11:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | “We still don’t encrypt server-to-server data,” admits Microsoft | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g1asl ] | Nov 14 11:11 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/markhughes/status/400944088515477504 | Nov 14 11:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @markhughes: @schestowitz good points about Fog/Cloud, #surveillance & @KimDotcom's #MEGA and @ownCloud. Makes me more interested in #askOS .. comments? | Nov 14 11:22 |
| schestowitz | I have no interest in any of them for very private things; I use MEGA for a few things. | Nov 14 11:22 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/400973734862802946 | Nov 14 11:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @gnutelephony: The lesson of #Ubuntu is that once you start trading freedom for popularity you end up with neither. @schestowitz http://t.co/Jz1mqs80qd | Nov 14 11:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> stevenrosenberg.net | Steven Rosenberg : Noted contributer Aaron Toponce says goodbye to Ubuntu, even gives up UBUNTU license plate | Nov 14 11:22 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/realmohan/status/401023154388082688 | Nov 14 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @realmohan: @schestowitz so you are the new owner of http://t.co/Fan5hAq3Xh? Congrats. | Nov 14 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines | Do you waddle the waddle? | Nov 14 11:28 |
| schestowitz | technically yes, but it's still in migration process. Why? | Nov 14 11:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/markhughes/status/401024525451939840 | Nov 14 11:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @markhughes: @schestowitz @KimDotcom @ownCloud I was meaning: any comments on #askOS? | Nov 14 11:34 |
| schestowitz | I don't know it I'm afraid... | Nov 14 11:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/realmohan/status/401024742909411328 | Nov 14 11:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @realmohan: @schestowitz I was just following the whole auction off the website. I being going there for news for many years. | Nov 14 11:35 |
| schestowitz | So have I, and now I can contribute | Nov 14 11:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/markhughes/status/401027534290436096 | Nov 14 11:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @markhughes: @schestowitz @KimDotcom @ownCloud it's still in alpha, seeking crowdsourced funding, #FOSS, plug n play selfhost #Linux server | Nov 14 11:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/markhughes/status/401027687516766208 | Nov 14 11:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @markhughes: @schestowitz @KimDotcom @ownCloud all on github right now | Nov 14 11:48 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3287952 | Nov 14 11:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @linux@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft Has Taken Over Mono Development, With Miguel de Icaza’s Consent http://techrights.org/2013/11/14/microsoft-has-abducted-mono/ | Nov 14 11:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Microsoft Has Taken Over Mono Development, With Miguel de Icaza’s Consent | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g1b4b ] | Nov 14 11:49 |
| schestowitz | 'Meh. They've just made it more publicly visible. It was their project from the start." | Nov 14 11:49 |
| schestowitz | yang: hi | Nov 14 12:03 |
| schestowitz | yes, I write them | Nov 14 12:03 |
| schestowitz | You have a new follower on Twitter. " | Nov 14 12:04 |
| schestowitz | Bram van der Kolk | Nov 14 12:04 |
| schestowitz | @bramosnl | Nov 14 12:04 |
| schestowitz | Programmer of @MegaPrivacy | Nov 14 12:04 |
| schestowitz | New Zealand · https://www.mega.co.nz | Nov 14 12:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.mega.co.nz | MEGA | Nov 14 12:04 |
| iophk | When is Mega going to get proper (secure) client software? The stuff they have doesn't cut it. | Nov 14 12:04 |
| iophk | Last I checked. | Nov 14 12:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itworld.com/operating-systems/382610/suse-linux-enterprise-expands-regular-support-10-years | Nov 14 12:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itworld.com | Suse Linux Enterprise expands regular support to 10 years | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/g1b9q ] | Nov 14 12:06 |
| schestowitz | meh | Nov 14 12:06 |
| iophk | http://gigaom.com/2013/11/14/google-wins-book-scanning-case-judge-finds-fair-use-cites-many-benefits/ | Nov 14 12:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | gigaom.com | Google wins book-scanning case: judge finds “fair use,” cites many benefits — Tech News and Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/g1baz ] | Nov 14 12:12 |
| yang | nice schestowitz | Nov 14 12:12 |
| schestowitz | ty | Nov 14 12:13 |
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| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/google-books-ruled-legal-in-massive-win-for-fair-use/ | Nov 14 12:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Google Books ruled legal in massive win for fair use | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g1bdg ] | Nov 14 12:22 |
| iophk | It will be interesting to see if the new magazine is an improvement. | Nov 14 12:26 |
| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/nov/13/linux-format-staff-who-quit-plan-to-launch-rival-linux-voice | Nov 14 12:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Linux Format staff who quit plan to launch rival Linux Voice | Media | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/g1beq ] | Nov 14 12:26 |
| Sosumi | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/11/14/1745251/drm-to-be-used-in-renault-electric-cars?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter | Nov 14 12:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | hardware.slashdot.org | DRM To Be Used In Renault Electric Cars - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/g1bla ] | Nov 14 12:52 |
| Sosumi | also read the leaked Trans Pacific Partnership leaked document | Nov 14 12:53 |
| Sosumi | which shows exactly who is in charge | Nov 14 12:53 |
| Sosumi | the coporatocacy | Nov 14 12:53 |
| Sosumi | which makes me fear of what'll be put in the "free-exploitation treaty" between the EU and the US | Nov 14 12:54 |
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| sebsebseb | ping iophk | Nov 14 13:05 |
| iophk | pong sebsebseb | Nov 14 13:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I need some help here I think | Nov 14 13:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: as expected, they didn't like the proposal I put in the document | Nov 14 13:06 |
| sebsebseb | since it was like, this or that | Nov 14 13:06 |
| iophk | printed document? | Nov 14 13:06 |
| sebsebseb | wan't really specific | Nov 14 13:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: a emaled documet for proposals | Nov 14 13:06 |
| sebsebseb | they want something more specific | Nov 14 13:06 |
| iophk | specific is good, usually | Nov 14 13:07 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they didn't like what I put though | Nov 14 13:07 |
| sebsebseb | they don't like the or's | Nov 14 13:07 |
| sebsebseb | and maybe's and such | Nov 14 13:07 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so I need something more specific | Nov 14 13:07 |
| iophk | ok. Then make a more concrete proposal. | Nov 14 13:07 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I also find it a bit hard how to add in this document | Nov 14 13:07 |
| iophk | Start a new version. | Nov 14 13:07 |
| sebsebseb | yeah they wat a more concreate proposal exactly | Nov 14 13:07 |
| sebsebseb | or proposals | Nov 14 13:07 |
| iophk | tazer duel? | Nov 14 13:08 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and then a new propals gets a new number | Nov 14 13:08 |
| iophk | Are you choosing DEs? | Nov 14 13:08 |
| sebsebseb | if it's an ammendment it goes in a sub paragaph with a letter | Nov 14 13:09 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well this is proposals for both distros and interfaces | Nov 14 13:09 |
| sebsebseb | I'll show you the thing | Nov 14 13:09 |
| sebsebseb | on pastebin | Nov 14 13:09 |
| sebsebseb | when I put something there | Nov 14 13:09 |
| DaemonFC | Senator Sanders, I would like you to know how proud I am of what you're doing in the Senate. Please keep up the good work. If the Democratic Party ever gives you an award, it will be like giving the Hans Solo award to the Rebel Alliance. | Nov 14 13:13 |
| iophk | sebsebseb: keep the DE proposal separate. It's a separate topic. | Nov 14 13:15 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I already bee through this | Nov 14 13:17 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: that's not how they are doing things | Nov 14 13:17 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and ths is how they are doing things: http://pastebin.com/QV2diq27http://pastebin.com/QV2diq27 | Nov 14 13:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ( status 404 @ http://pastebin.com/QV2diq27http://pastebin.com/QV2diq27 ) | Nov 14 13:17 |
| sebsebseb | http://pastebin.com/QV2diq27 | Nov 14 13:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | pastebin.com | I have been away for a few days. On 13/11/13 08:31, Chris wrote: > Sebastian - Pastebin.com | Nov 14 13:17 |
| sebsebseb | and it's got what I put in for proposal stuff there to | Nov 14 13:17 |
| sebsebseb | ,but they want something more concreate etc | Nov 14 13:18 |
| sebsebseb | so what am I meant too put as a propsal, or as my propsals, more than one? | Nov 14 13:18 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: it's a DE's and distros votes | Nov 14 13:19 |
| sebsebseb | with them going together | Nov 14 13:19 |
| sebsebseb | nothing I can do about that | Nov 14 13:19 |
| sebsebseb | this is how they want too do it | Nov 14 13:19 |
| sebsebseb | see the pastebin | Nov 14 13:19 |
| iophk | What does he mean by "limited event" ? | Nov 14 13:19 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: limited event as in very basic event | Nov 14 13:21 |
| sebsebseb | hardly any OS's etc | Nov 14 13:21 |
| sebsebseb | Mint and that's about it or it | Nov 14 13:21 |
| sebsebseb | 1 or 2 distro's | Nov 14 13:21 |
| iophk | I didn't see a clarification there by what he means by limitedevent. What were his words. | Nov 14 13:21 |
| iophk | ? | Nov 14 13:21 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: that's from the email | Nov 14 13:22 |
| sebsebseb | he just means a basic event like I just described | Nov 14 13:22 |
| iophk | Does he clarify that in another mail? | Nov 14 13:22 |
| sebsebseb | I put the emai there, an the actsal document below that | Nov 14 13:22 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and he thinks I mean general event, as in lots and lots of options, but that's not quite what I meant | Nov 14 13:22 |
| sebsebseb | I just meant some choice | Nov 14 13:22 |
| sebsebseb | ,but that's not the point, I have too do a proposal "their" way | Nov 14 13:23 |
| sebsebseb | rather than "my" way | Nov 14 13:23 |
| iophk | So there are 4 staff and 4 demo computers? | Nov 14 13:23 |
| sebsebseb | or apparnatlly my stuff won't even be voted on | Nov 14 13:23 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: he wants 2 or 3 OS's maybe 3 | Nov 14 13:23 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: in fact you can see what he wants in the proposals in that pastebin too | Nov 14 13:23 |
| sebsebseb | it doesn't matte if there will only be four or eight demonstratio computers now | Nov 14 13:24 |
| sebsebseb | ,because the idea is to pick distros and interfaces on Tuesday, do the vote | Nov 14 13:24 |
| iophk | I don't see much there. The 1.-5a does not give much guidance on what he really wants. | Nov 14 13:24 |
| sebsebseb | well it's a propals | Nov 14 13:24 |
| sebsebseb | to be voted on on TUesdy | Nov 14 13:24 |
| sebsebseb | do demonstraton's from USB's | Nov 14 13:24 |
| sebsebseb | and have five minutes to propse an idea | Nov 14 13:24 |
| sebsebseb | and then do a vote | Nov 14 13:24 |
| iophk | Sounds like amess. The HD should be used. | Nov 14 13:25 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't agree wit things being done like this really | Nov 14 13:25 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I got no choice now, but too go along with it, it seems | Nov 14 13:25 |
| sebsebseb | it might just be a Mint and Open SUse event, it might be something else | Nov 14 13:25 |
| sebsebseb | ,but at leaset once Tuesday is over | Nov 14 13:26 |
| sebsebseb | welll that's that, won't have to think about this as such anymore | Nov 14 13:26 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they just want me too put in a basic propsa in the document | Nov 14 13:26 |
| sebsebseb | I have tried being inclusive of everything, and general | Nov 14 13:26 |
| sebsebseb | ,but nope they want something more distro specific etc | Nov 14 13:26 |
| sebsebseb | they want me to make more distro specific propoals | Nov 14 13:26 |
| iophk | Mint and Suse are bad choices, for the reasons I gave before. | Nov 14 13:26 |
| sebsebseb | ok | Nov 14 13:27 |
| iophk | Make a specific proposal for Mageia and Ubuntu? | Nov 14 13:27 |
| sebsebseb | so what should I put as a proposal do you think? | Nov 14 13:27 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well I can do more than one proposal as well | Nov 14 13:27 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yes that would be one idea | Nov 14 13:27 |
| iophk | Yes. Good idea. | Nov 14 13:27 |
| sebsebseb | I shoudn't do to many proposals, but around 3 should be alright | Nov 14 13:27 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: also I can't say Cinnamon and maybe Mate too | Nov 14 13:28 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Nov 14 13:28 |
| sebsebseb | they want me to be speciic on a interface | Nov 14 13:28 |
| iophk | XFCE, KDE and Unity. | Nov 14 13:28 |
| sebsebseb | in what distros? | Nov 14 13:28 |
| sebsebseb | is it item to axe Open SUse | Nov 14 13:28 |
| sebsebseb | from mypropas stuf | Nov 14 13:28 |
| sebsebseb | forget about it? | Nov 14 13:28 |
| iophk | The first two on mageia and the latter on Ubuntu | Nov 14 13:28 |
| sebsebseb | not even etion Open SUSE in my propoals? | Nov 14 13:28 |
| sebsebseb | or shuld I propse Mageia to be used for GOE | Nov 14 13:29 |
| iophk | No, not if you don't want it. | Nov 14 13:29 |
| iophk | Yes propose mageia | Nov 14 13:29 |
| sebsebseb | looks like Open Suse may get KDE, but I hae a chance to get GNOME in Mageia | Nov 14 13:29 |
| iophk | XFCE is more appropriate for end-users. | Nov 14 13:29 |
| iophk | GNOME is over. | Nov 14 13:29 |
| iophk | They're losing a chance to demo the different DEs | Nov 14 13:30 |
| sebsebseb | what propals do you think I should put? | Nov 14 13:30 |
| sebsebseb | and in the way they did theirs in that document | Nov 14 13:30 |
| iophk | Yes copy the style. | Nov 14 13:31 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yes the style like that | Nov 14 13:31 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Nov 14 13:31 |
| sebsebseb | what should I put as my proposals do you think? | Nov 14 13:31 |
| sebsebseb | Mint for Cinnamon, Mageia for GNOME and KDE, Ubuntu for Unity | Nov 14 13:32 |
| sebsebseb | ?????????????? | Nov 14 13:32 |
| iophk | sounds good | Nov 14 13:32 |
| sebsebseb | not sure if I can do and like that though hmm | Nov 14 13:33 |
| iophk | Though GNOME and Cinnamon are not so good | Nov 14 13:33 |
| iophk | I'd say XFCE instead of one of them. But I've said that already. | Nov 14 13:33 |
| sebsebseb | Mint for Cinnamon, Mageia for GNOME, Ubuntu for Unity | Nov 14 13:33 |
| sebsebseb | Mint for Cinnamon, Magiea for KDE, Ubuntu for Unity | Nov 14 13:33 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: thing is | Nov 14 13:33 |
| sebsebseb | if we agree on only 2 OS's | Nov 14 13:34 |
| sebsebseb | proposals that have 3, are out | Nov 14 13:34 |
| sebsebseb | won't get voted on | Nov 14 13:34 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so if they agree on 2 distro's and my propsals are for 3 uh | Nov 14 13:34 |
| iophk | yes but mint is redundant with Ubuntu | Nov 14 13:35 |
| sebsebseb | I think Mint is in | Nov 14 13:35 |
| sebsebseb | bfore this stuf has even been properly voted on | Nov 14 13:35 |
| iophk | you could have Cinnamon on Ubuntu, it's there in the Ubuntu repository | Nov 14 13:35 |
| sebsebseb | I think Open Suse is probaby in to, or for KDE ayway | Nov 14 13:35 |
| iophk | KDE for Mageia | Nov 14 13:36 |
| sebsebseb | no Ubuntu live sesison of Cinnamo though I think? | Nov 14 13:36 |
| sebsebseb | remember need Lie sessions for these distro's to, since the whole live session remater idea | Nov 14 13:36 |
| iophk | no need for live if you have access to the HD | Nov 14 13:36 |
| iophk | I'd walk | Nov 14 13:36 |
| iophk | remasters are also a *BIG* waste of time. It won't help the visitors who later decide to download something and try it out. | Nov 14 13:36 |
| MinceR | any distro should suffice to run any non-Unity DE | Nov 14 13:36 |
| iophk | There's *no* value added | Nov 14 13:36 |
| sebsebseb | yes already been through that a few or more times but they are in and that's that | Nov 14 13:37 |
| sebsebseb | they are going with remasters | Nov 14 13:37 |
| sebsebseb | I can't change that decisiosn | Nov 14 13:37 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I may have to make new Magiea re masters before Tuesday to | Nov 14 13:37 |
| sebsebseb | unless he does for me.... | Nov 14 13:37 |
| sebsebseb | ,but they are trying to get a rather delayed Mageia 4 Beta 1 out at the moment | Nov 14 13:37 |
| iophk | ok | Nov 14 13:37 |
| sebsebseb | many test ISO's there have been, because it does the new installer stuff etc | Nov 14 13:38 |
| sebsebseb | there wre bugs to fix etc | Nov 14 13:38 |
| MinceR | debian has gnome, kde, lxde and xfce live images already | Nov 14 13:38 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: ok, but Debian itself isn't one of the proposed distros for the event | Nov 14 13:38 |
| iophk | Debian would be good for all | Nov 14 13:39 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well it's not in | Nov 14 13:39 |
| sebsebseb | neither is PC Linux OS | Nov 14 13:39 |
| sebsebseb | that has a XFCE Live CD | Nov 14 13:39 |
| sebsebseb | and uh | Nov 14 13:39 |
| iophk | Will you still have the Mageia discs to hand out? | Nov 14 13:39 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: the things that are propsed have been propsed | Nov 14 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | I Mean we got hte ditros an interfaces | Nov 14 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | just got to do a proper propals in that document | Nov 14 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | then vote on Tuesday | Nov 14 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't know | Nov 14 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: what I was thinking is could put htem on a table some where or somethig surely | Nov 14 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | even if it's ot one of the distros' that is from the remasters | Nov 14 13:40 |
| iophk | That would work | Nov 14 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | same with Fedora | Nov 14 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | have a swag table smoe whre | Nov 14 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | free this and that | Nov 14 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | can even put in some support info for Fedora | Nov 14 13:40 |
| iophk | Better to hand out swag one at a time. | Nov 14 13:40 |
| iophk | That way it gets doled out a little at a time. | Nov 14 13:41 |
| sebsebseb | when they gone through whatever | Nov 14 13:41 |
| iophk | Gets people to come over and talk. | Nov 14 13:41 |
| sebsebseb | seeing demo pc's and getting remasetrs | Nov 14 13:41 |
| sebsebseb | they could get other stuff to I am thinking | Nov 14 13:41 |
| sebsebseb | the remaseterd USB's could be on such a table to | Nov 14 13:41 |
| iophk | Swag is used to "buy" face time. | Nov 14 13:41 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think this event isn't quite going to be how I want it | Nov 14 13:41 |
| sebsebseb | probably not really how I want it at all | Nov 14 13:41 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ,but I still have a chance to get Magiea in there proerly | Nov 14 13:42 |
| sebsebseb | if I can do the propsal prperly | Nov 14 13:42 |
| sebsebseb | for that document | Nov 14 13:42 |
| sebsebseb | so what do you think I should put exactly? | Nov 14 13:42 |
| iophk | I'm not bureaucratic at all. | Nov 14 13:42 |
| sebsebseb | face time? talking time? | Nov 14 13:42 |
| iophk | yes talking time | Nov 14 13:42 |
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| iophk | you want them to come over and at least say hi to get the swag | Nov 14 13:42 |
| iophk | otherwise it just walks | Nov 14 13:42 |
| sebsebseb | yep true | Nov 14 13:43 |
| sebsebseb | it's not really been talked about much | Nov 14 13:43 |
| sebsebseb | yet | Nov 14 13:43 |
| sebsebseb | a table if at all as such really, but it's a good idea | Nov 14 13:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: older guy is also worrying about time | Nov 14 13:43 |
| sebsebseb | how long we will have with a paticar person etc | Nov 14 13:43 |
| iophk | that gets sorted on its own | Nov 14 13:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I propose that Mageia is used to at least show GNOME | Nov 14 13:43 |
| sebsebseb | maybe I should put that | Nov 14 13:44 |
| iophk | yes | Nov 14 13:44 |
| sebsebseb | I don't really care that much about the rest | Nov 14 13:44 |
| iophk | if you really worry about GNOME. But it's over as a DE | Nov 14 13:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I could put also this though: I propose Mageia is used to show KDE | Nov 14 13:44 |
| iophk | XFCE is getting a lot of buzz | Nov 14 13:44 |
| sebsebseb | I have two then | Nov 14 13:44 |
| iophk | yes KDE | Nov 14 13:44 |
| sebsebseb | I propse we have three or four distro's and the cut downversion | Nov 14 13:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: at the end of the day I don't care about Mint or Ubuntu | Nov 14 13:45 |
| sebsebseb | if Cinnamon is used in that uhmm right | Nov 14 13:45 |
| sebsebseb | shown | Nov 14 13:45 |
| sebsebseb | if Unity is shown in Ubuntu uhmm right | Nov 14 13:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ,but what I want is Mageia | Nov 14 13:45 |
| iophk | They're about the same, but Ubuntu has Unity andMint doesn't | Nov 14 13:45 |
| iophk | I can't make a remaster. | Nov 14 13:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they want a basic proposal | Nov 14 13:45 |
| sebsebseb | maybe it's time to not propose | Nov 14 13:46 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu or OPen Suse | Nov 14 13:46 |
| sebsebseb | even if I kind of want Ubuntu as well realy for Unityl | Nov 14 13:46 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't want to propse say 3 OS's, and then it becoming say, Mint, Open Suse, and Ubuntu, kicking Mageia out | Nov 14 13:46 |
| iophk | Then propose Mageia | Nov 14 13:47 |
| sebsebseb | maybe I should propse this: I propose that Open SUse is used for the cut down distro, but nothing else | Nov 14 13:47 |
| iophk | Mageia+ Ubuntu | Nov 14 13:47 |
| sebsebseb | and the cut down distro? | Nov 14 13:47 |
| iophk | That's a compromise that allows to use Suse | Nov 14 13:47 |
| sebsebseb | yeah exactly | Nov 14 13:47 |
| sebsebseb | unless I am more specific | Nov 14 13:47 |
| iophk | XFCE+KDE on Mageia, Cinnamon and Unity on Ubuntu and ?? on cut-down Suse | Nov 14 13:48 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe I just propose how I wnat Maeia to be used | Nov 14 13:48 |
| sebsebseb | and then whatever happes, happens | Nov 14 13:48 |
| iophk | yes | Nov 14 13:48 |
| sebsebseb | whatver happens with the other optoins | Nov 14 13:48 |
| sebsebseb | I propose having three OS',s plus the cut down. KDE and GNOME for Mageia, Mint for Cinnamon, Unity for Ubuntu, and something for a cut down distro | Nov 14 13:50 |
| sebsebseb | or I am more specific | Nov 14 13:50 |
| sebsebseb | and say it's Chris's cut dow distro | Nov 14 13:50 |
| sebsebseb | let him make his thing | Nov 14 13:50 |
| sebsebseb | for the cut down | Nov 14 13:50 |
| sebsebseb | Open Suse guy | Nov 14 13:50 |
| iophk | http://www.itwire.com/it-policy-news/regulation/62287-choice-weighs-in-on-tpp-copyright-debate | Nov 14 13:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itwire.com | CHOICE weighs in on TPP copyright debate [ http://ur1.ca/g1bzm ] | Nov 14 13:51 |
| sebsebseb | I propose having two distro's, plus a cut down version that Chris is responsible for, with GNOME and KDE being shown in Mageia, and Mint for Cinnaom, Unity for Ubuntu | Nov 14 13:52 |
| iophk | +1 | Nov 14 13:52 |
| iophk | http://www.itwire.com/it-policy-news/govenrment-tech-policy/62277-tpp-leak-reveals-australian-government-secrets | Nov 14 13:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itwire.com | TPP leak reveals Australian government secrets [ http://ur1.ca/g18kr ] | Nov 14 13:52 |
| MinceR | suse is especially a waste of resources | Nov 14 13:54 |
| iophk | It would set visitors on the wrong path. | Nov 14 13:56 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 14 13:57 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: MinceR no you two are anti Open SUse | Nov 14 14:01 |
| sebsebseb | the visiors to our eent won't know about the link to MS etc | Nov 14 14:02 |
| iophk | of course | Nov 14 14:02 |
| iophk | one learns over time | Nov 14 14:02 |
| sebsebseb | Open Suse is still better than running WIindows right? | Nov 14 14:02 |
| iophk | they won't know and it's the staff job to protect them | Nov 14 14:02 |
| iophk | false dichotomy | Nov 14 14:02 |
| iophk | there are better distros | Nov 14 14:02 |
| iophk | nearly all of them are better | Nov 14 14:02 |
| sebsebseb | the staff, even staff? | Nov 14 14:02 |
| sebsebseb | uh, but one of them has used SUSE for like over 10 years | Nov 14 14:03 |
| sebsebseb | event staff above | Nov 14 14:03 |
| iophk | he needs to get with the times | Nov 14 14:03 |
| iophk | things change | Nov 14 14:03 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: yes, i'm pro-free software | Nov 14 14:03 |
| iophk | his distro has changed | Nov 14 14:03 |
| MinceR | and suse is anti-free software | Nov 14 14:03 |
| sebsebseb | Suse is a bit like Fedora | Nov 14 14:03 |
| iophk | worse, it's anti-free masquerading as free | Nov 14 14:03 |
| MinceR | and the point is that they get users when the users don't know what they're getting into | Nov 14 14:03 |
| sebsebseb | it's a comuniity distro realy | Nov 14 14:03 |
| iophk | fedora is Free | Nov 14 14:03 |
| sebsebseb | ,but with big players behind it | Nov 14 14:03 |
| sebsebseb | commericla players | Nov 14 14:03 |
| sebsebseb | money | Nov 14 14:03 |
| sebsebseb | non volunteers | Nov 14 14:03 |
| sebsebseb | etc | Nov 14 14:03 |
| iophk | and patent traps and M$ products... | Nov 14 14:06 |
| MinceR | and low quality | Nov 14 14:08 |
| MinceR | users might get a bad first impression with suse and ubuntu | Nov 14 14:08 |
| iophk | Suse let the community down and turned on it, big time. | Nov 14 14:10 |
| iophk | Ubuntu looks like it might be doing the same. It has certainly not done well with privacy issues of late. | Nov 14 14:10 |
| iophk | There there was mono, but thankfully they have recovered. | Nov 14 14:11 |
| sebsebseb | jono: is here to defend your comment maybe :D ^ | Nov 14 14:11 |
| iophk | I've already said Unity is worth a try. | Nov 14 14:11 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Mageia and Ubuntu? | Nov 14 14:12 |
| sebsebseb | ike we discussed a few times | Nov 14 14:12 |
| iophk | yes | Nov 14 14:12 |
| sebsebseb | I can do a few propolsals :d | Nov 14 14:12 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia and MInt I could do as one to etc | Nov 14 14:12 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: altough I just got kind of recommended agaisnt GNOME in Mageia, since there's two programs that are resonsie for Intenret | Nov 14 14:12 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: network manager, and drakconnect, and they can conflict, and I had my own issues with htat | Nov 14 14:12 |
| sebsebseb | for KDE it's good though stil | Nov 14 14:13 |
| iophk | last I checked, Mint still had to be cleaned for mono. The remaster can do that. | Nov 14 14:15 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: oh I don't think the guy making the Mint remaster, cares much about Mono | Nov 14 14:18 |
| iophk | Then he won't mind removing it and replacing the one mono app with a superior alternative. | Nov 14 14:18 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: no I meant he woudn't care that it's in thr if it is | Nov 14 14:19 |
| iophk | then no mint | Nov 14 14:19 |
| iophk | it's not worth polluting machines | Nov 14 14:19 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Open Suse is in for KDE probaby | Nov 14 14:19 |
| sebsebseb | and Mint is in for Cinnamon probably | Nov 14 14:19 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu and Mageia ar probably both out | Nov 14 14:19 |
| iophk | Did you ever read this: | Nov 14 14:19 |
| iophk | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061221081000710 | Nov 14 14:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.groklaw.net | Groklaw - Jeremy Allison Has Resigned from Novell to Protest MS Patent Deal [ http://ur1.ca/ffk3u ] | Nov 14 14:19 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I can try and proposals in their way, but I think Mageia is out | Nov 14 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | and probably Ubuntu to | Nov 14 14:20 |
| iophk | We'll you've convinced me that Mageia and Ubuntu are the best choices. | Nov 14 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: here'swhat someon said to me a little while ago to do with this: He seems set in his choices, sometimes you just have to get behind the idea and put any personal agenda 2nd. I think | Nov 14 14:20 |
| iophk | http://techrights.org/category/opensuse/ | Nov 14 14:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | OpenSUSE | Techrights | Nov 14 14:21 |
| MinceR | defending the community from the m$ patent trap is not a personal agenda, though | Nov 14 14:21 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: right, but you didn't like Open Suse anyway, and hes's been convivnced/influenced that Open Suse is a good choice and for KDE | Nov 14 14:21 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: no that was in response to, wat should I propose etc | Nov 14 14:21 |
| MinceR | others are convinced of "windows uber alles" or "macos uber alles". why do you care? | Nov 14 14:22 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I don't think these guys care much about stuff like that, they want to put codecs and Flash and Skype into the remasters | Nov 14 14:22 |
| sebsebseb | and Jitsi though as well since Open Suse supporter suggested it | Nov 14 14:22 |
| MinceR | that's bad enough | Nov 14 14:23 |
| MinceR | especially with skype | Nov 14 14:23 |
| iophk | besides Skype for linux is not going to be continued, in all likelihood. | Nov 14 14:23 |
| iophk | The new owner is not exactly supportive of other platforms than its own. Even then the support for their own is not great. | Nov 14 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well Microsoft did gie it a bit of an update, once they bought Skype out, altough I think that was many to put in the MS stuff | Nov 14 14:24 |
| MinceR | also, skype was never trustworthy from a security standpoint | Nov 14 14:24 |
| iophk | huge holes | Nov 14 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | spying | Nov 14 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | as well | Nov 14 14:24 |
| MinceR | bad design from the ground up | Nov 14 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they don't care about doing instal rwith local repo's, haing people understanidn how a pakage manager work | Nov 14 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: MinceR I think they just want to treat them like conumers at this eent, who don't realy unerstand stuffl | Nov 14 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | here you go | Nov 14 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | here's our alterantive | Nov 14 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | our produc,t go try this, come back for an install if you want, have fun | Nov 14 14:26 |
| MinceR | they won't see the best the platform has to offer | Nov 14 14:26 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: iophk this is a Mint and Open Suse, event already I think | Nov 14 14:26 |
| iophk | At least get the mono off of Mint | Nov 14 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: iophk apparatly there is a chance for other distro's such as Mageia and Ubunu though, but not a fair chance it seems, and far fraom a fair chance it seems | Nov 14 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Mono is yeah hmm, but Banshee is nice | Nov 14 14:28 |
| iophk | slow and crashy | Nov 14 14:28 |
| iophk | lots of problems | Nov 14 14:28 |
| iophk | Clementine is nicer all around | Nov 14 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | that' QT | Nov 14 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | app | Nov 14 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah I ike Clementine myself quite a bit | Nov 14 14:29 |
| iophk | Rhythmbox then | Nov 14 14:29 |
| iophk | that's what most distros seem to use | Nov 14 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: if I can put in proper proposals in their stye for that document | Nov 14 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia has a chance, or well appanratly | Nov 14 14:29 |
| iophk | yes give Mageia its chance | Nov 14 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: right yeah | Nov 14 14:32 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: but how? | Nov 14 14:32 |
| sebsebseb | what should I put as my proposals to give it a fair good chance? | Nov 14 14:32 |
| iophk | two distros, Mageia and Ubuntu, three DEs, XFCE, KDE and Unity. Four DEs if you must | Nov 14 14:34 |
| iophk | Give people a choice and a real demo of the options. | Nov 14 14:34 |
| sebsebseb | right ,but eeds to be mre pecific | Nov 14 14:35 |
| sebsebseb | a distro an interface, must go together | Nov 14 14:35 |
| iophk | Mageia: XFCE, KDE | Nov 14 14:35 |
| iophk | Ubuntu: Unity | Nov 14 14:35 |
| iophk | Those three give a wide variety. | Nov 14 14:36 |
| iophk | just by themselves. | Nov 14 14:36 |
| iophk | None is like the other. | Nov 14 14:36 |
| iophk | And they're all mainstream. | Nov 14 14:36 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: hmm | Nov 14 14:50 |
| sebsebseb | I still think Open Suse is goin to win KDE uh | Nov 14 14:50 |
| iophk | are you going to try for Mageia? | Nov 14 14:50 |
| sebsebseb | of course ;) | Nov 14 14:51 |
| iophk | good :) | Nov 14 14:51 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: type me some proposals? | Nov 14 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | in their style? | Nov 14 14:58 |
| iophk | The pastebin is gone. | Nov 14 14:59 |
| iophk | Their style was vague | Nov 14 14:59 |
| iophk | and unclear | Nov 14 14:59 |
| iophk | how would you propose Mageia with KDE, Mageia with XFCE, and Ubuntu with Unity? | Nov 14 15:03 |
| iophk | Wouldn't it be one line? | Nov 14 15:03 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah that pastebin was set to expire after an hour | Nov 14 15:03 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: got another one here: http://pastebin.com/2vEfVavp | Nov 14 15:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | pastebin.com | I have been away for a few days. On 13/11/13 08:31, Chris w - Pastebin.com | Nov 14 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: exactly the style is a bit unclear | Nov 14 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | or is it? | Nov 14 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | no mention of GNOME or Mageia | Nov 14 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | as intended by the it seems | Nov 14 15:04 |
| iophk | Do you mean 1. 2. and 3. etc are separate proposals? | Nov 14 15:04 |
| iophk | Proposal 4 would cover what you want. | Nov 14 15:05 |
| sebsebseb | yes they are sepreate proposals | Nov 14 15:05 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: PH and DF are two differnet peopel | Nov 14 15:05 |
| iophk | Right but 4 needs to be filled in. | Nov 14 15:06 |
| iophk | Number 2 also meets your needs | Nov 14 15:07 |
| iophk | Ally with them | Nov 14 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: what do I put then? | Nov 14 15:08 |
| iophk | Something short. | Nov 14 15:09 |
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| Odinx | hi | Nov 14 20:49 |
| Odinx | hi | Nov 14 21:29 |
| Odinx | Roy??????? | Nov 14 21:40 |
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| Snowleaksange | hello | Nov 14 22:09 |
| Odinx | hello Snowleaksange | Nov 14 22:18 |
| Snowleaksange | welcome Odinx | Nov 14 22:21 |
| Odinx | im new to this linux thing | Nov 14 22:25 |
| Odinx | can i install it if im running win8? | Nov 14 22:25 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286139 | Nov 14 22:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: With trillions in revenue&government (taxpayers') subsidies extracted from growing ntl' debt, corporations won't pay http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/19975-the-time-has-come-for-15-minimum-wage | Nov 14 22:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> truth-out.org | The Time Has Come for $15 Minimum Wage [ http://ur1.ca/g1g2r ] | Nov 14 22:28 |
| schestowitz | "In a system based on exploitation, any attempted solution that remains wholly within the bounds of that system will be exploitative as well. Raising the minimum wage to $15 would mean that instead of 2.9% of America making minimum wage, it would now be 45%. If you think that companies will give their employees raises to keep them up above the new minimum wage, then I've got a bridge to sell you. How long do you think it would take the | Nov 14 22:29 |
| schestowitz | corporations to raise their prices until those making the new minimum wage would have the same standard of "living" that minimum wage earners now try to make due with? But now instead of 2.9% you're looking at 45% trying to hustle to scrape by. Just as food stamps have become another type of corporate welfare, increasing the minimum wage would result in a massive transfer of wealth from the poorest to the richest." | Nov 14 22:29 |
| schestowitz | Interesting if true... counterintuitive.. | Nov 14 22:29 |
| schestowitz | [19:23] <iophk> besides Skype for linux is not going to be continued, in all likelihood. | Nov 14 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Esp. not after eveyone found out that the NSA is in it for the snoops and MS is in it perhaps for the NSA | Nov 14 22:33 |
| schestowitz | Odinx: hi | Nov 14 22:33 |
| schestowitz | [02:40] <Odinx> Roy??????? | Nov 14 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Do we know each other? | Nov 14 22:34 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3289719 | Nov 14 22:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Brightness Settings Completely Broken in Ubuntu 13.10 http://news.softpedia.com/news/Brightness-Settings-Completely-Broken-in-Ubuntu-13-10-399773.shtml so maybe Amazon won't be able to look at what you search for... | Nov 14 22:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | Brightness Settings Completely Broken in Ubuntu 13.10 [ http://ur1.ca/g1g3w ] | Nov 14 22:35 |
| schestowitz | "perhaps people can use Calise if they have a webcam" | Nov 14 22:35 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3289688 | Nov 14 22:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Nokia Under #Elop - His 3 Years: Performance Review - Worst CEO of All Time - All the Facts - In Pictures http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/11/nokia-under-elop-his-3-years-performance-review-worst-ceo-of-all-time-all-the-facts-in-pictures.html | Nov 14 22:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Nokia Under Elop - His 3 Years: Performance Review - Worst CEO of All Time - All the Facts - In Pictures [ http://ur1.ca/g182w ] | Nov 14 22:35 |
| schestowitz | "Hope Elop gets selected as the new Microsoft CEO. Keep doing the good job!" | Nov 14 22:35 |
| Odinx | schestowitz: yes | Nov 14 22:40 |
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| schestowitz | I temember the nick | Nov 14 22:51 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3289613 | Nov 14 22:51 |
| schestowitz | "FTL is truly a thing of beauty. Difficult but endlessly re-playable. Simple but deep. It has occupied many of my waking hours." | Nov 14 22:51 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285234 | Nov 14 22:51 |
| schestowitz | "I do think though that most people don't get that often the danger isn't someone sitting inbetween the server and the user sucking off data, but the NSA getting the data straight from the service provider themselves. Still, this is a fantastic first step. The next is getting quality freedom and privacy respecting web services. The step beyond that is self hosting for everyone." | Nov 14 22:51 |
| schestowitz | "Ok, maybe no everyone, but at least the people where laws around search and seizure in homes still mean anything.' | Nov 14 22:51 |
| schestowitz | BT has been using DPI while sucking up data, along with former employees (Phorm). I think that BT has been integral and instrumental in the GCHQ's (NSA's) work, but we haven't scratched the surface just yet | Nov 14 22:51 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285942 | Nov 14 22:51 |
| schestowitz | "Like... I guess. Is CM still a force for good?" | Nov 14 22:51 |
| schestowitz | No less than Google | Nov 14 22:51 |
| schestowitz | Google could use some competition; it usually helps us, the users. | Nov 14 22:51 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4SqDx1vi4c | Nov 14 22:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux Games: Faster Than Light http://linuxaria.com/pills/linux-games-faster-than-light?lang=en | Nov 14 22:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> linuxaria.com | » Linuxaria – Everything about GNU/Linux and Open source Linux Games: Faster Than Light [ http://ur1.ca/g1g6p ] | Nov 14 22:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Snowden’s legacy: The open web could soon be encrypted by default http://gigaom.com/2013/11/13/snowdens-legacy-the-open-web-could-soon-be-encrypted-by-default/ #snowden #nsa #internet | Nov 14 22:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> gigaom.com | Snowden’s legacy: The open web could soon be encrypted by default — Tech News and Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/g15jz ] | Nov 14 22:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: CyanogenMod publishes new Installer app on Google Play http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/cyanogenmod-publishes-installer-app-on-google-play/ #linux #CyanogenMod #android | Nov 14 22:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | CyanogenMod publishes new Installer app on Google Play | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g171j ] | Nov 14 22:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Grateful Dead - Box of Rain (Studio Version) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g1g6s ] | Nov 14 22:51 |
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| Odinx | schestowitz: I have a question for you from ViolentJ | Nov 14 23:03 |
| Odinx | schestowitz: "How do magnets work?" | Nov 14 23:05 |
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| DaemonFC | I was over at a friend's house today. | Nov 15 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | Kind of hoping there's more there. He's really nice. | Nov 15 01:56 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't even been on a date in nearly six years. It seems like a disaster every time I get involved with someone. I just needed a lot of time to recover from the last one. It was a real mess. | Nov 15 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I don't know what it is about humans. Fascinating creatures, they are. | Nov 15 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 01:58 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 15 01:58 |
| DaemonFC | and by fascinating, I mean usually horrifying | Nov 15 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | keep your fingers crossed for me | Nov 15 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 01:59 |
| DaemonFC | https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1395959_10151790639228581_1513547701_n.jpg | Nov 15 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | The car always starts. The bath water never gets cold. The pillows stay cool all night. Your laundry stays clean and smelling like a Hawaiian breeze no matter how many times you've worn it. Your hair permanently stays exactly like you want it. You get a surprise notice from the landlord that the rent is going down next year. Comcast error in your favor: billing stops and service stays on. The coffee maker never overflows onto your counter top. | Nov 15 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | The cat learns to scoop his own box. If the third box is too late to help you, you find that your exes have all spontaneously combusted and everything will work out fine next time. Your parents call and apologize for everything. | Nov 15 02:30 |
| DaemonFC | https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1393712_10151994395874255_1191862260_n.jpg | Nov 15 02:33 |
| MinceR | how can i "steal" the "wi-fi" if it requires no password? | Nov 15 02:35 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: You steal their modem and router. | Nov 15 02:58 |
| DaemonFC | While you're committing petty theft anyway, you may as well make it grand larceny and get the computer, TV, jewelry, and anything else that looks valuable on the resale market. | Nov 15 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 02:59 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Then you steal a car, and then you steal a woman's handbag, and then you shoot a policeman, and take his helmet, then you use the toilet in his helmet, and send it to his grieving widow, and then you steal it again! | Nov 15 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer Their goal is to get everyone running the latest version. Sooner or later, the classic desktop will be removed and they will get to decide what software users are allowed to run. They'll say it's for "security" reasons, like Apple does, but it will really be to siphon 30% of a developer's gross income (which will get passed on to customers), and prevent users from running software which bypasses Digital Restrictions Malware (like | Nov 15 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | Daemon Tools). They would also like to stop you from using any software that competes with a Microsoft product. The European Union might force them to release a special edition that allows competing software in the store, but it will only be for European customers. Eventually, Windows XP, Vista, and 7 will be unsupported, and they will remove the ability to disable Restricted Boot. Of course, this is their wishlist. If enough people rejected | Nov 15 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft now, they'd never get away with it. | Nov 15 03:07 |
| *DaemonFC on Windows 8 | Nov 15 03:07 | |
| DaemonFC | My friend had an "issue" and the entire file system got hosed and Windows 8 wouldn't reboot, and I tried my best to recover it, but it fought me at every step. | Nov 15 03:07 |
| DaemonFC | It looked like the hard disk was crashing. | Nov 15 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | The bad sectors were largely grouped together. | Nov 15 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | I've been preaching Fedora of course. | Nov 15 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | when he gets a new hard disk. | Nov 15 03:08 |
| DaemonFC | He saw my system the other day while I was downloading shit to try to get his laptop working again, long enough to back up anything that survived. | Nov 15 03:09 |
| DaemonFC | But the file system was too far gone to mount or repair. | Nov 15 03:09 |
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| *brendyn makes some backups after reading that story | Nov 15 03:18 | |
| DaemonFC | I told him that Fedora would have forwarded the SMART error messages to the desktop's notification system. | Nov 15 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | It alerted me to a hard disk that was failing. | Nov 15 03:21 |
| DaemonFC | I backed it up. A little while after the backup was done, the disk failed. | Nov 15 03:22 |
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| iophk1 | http://www.cio.com/article/743211/How_to_Run_Your_Small_Business_With_Free_Open_Source_Software | Nov 15 03:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cio.com | How to Run Your Small Business With Free Open Source Software - CIO.com [ http://ur1.ca/g1hl4 ] | Nov 15 03:23 |
| DaemonFC | I like Fedora. It's all I use now. I switched back over from Kubuntu a couple of years ago. | Nov 15 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | Their earlier releases had a reputation for being buggy. Right now I am using Fedora 20 Beta, and have been using it since the Alpha without problems. | Nov 15 03:25 |
| DaemonFC | I seriously have not ran into a single bug. | Nov 15 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | I'm back on KDE too. | Nov 15 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | 4.11.3 is good | Nov 15 03:26 |
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| iophk | http://www.itworld.com/open-source/382809/best-linux-distro-privacy-protection | Nov 15 03:26 |
| brendyn | pretty amazing | Nov 15 03:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itworld.com | Best Linux distro for privacy protection? | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/g1hlj ] | Nov 15 03:26 |
| DaemonFC | I'll upgrade to the 4.12 branch when KDE declares it to be beta, and the KDE Redhat team uploads it. | Nov 15 03:26 |
| iophk | http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/which-linux-distro-is-best-for-protecting-your-privacy--1192771 | Nov 15 03:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.techradar.com | Which Linux distro is best for protecting your privacy? | News | TechRadar [ http://ur1.ca/g10ix ] | Nov 15 03:28 |
| iophk | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2063841/cybercriminals-target-silverlight-users-with-new-exploit-kit.html | Nov 15 03:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.pcworld.com | Cybercriminals target Silverlight browser plug-in users with new exploit kit | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/g1hnk ] | Nov 15 03:38 |
| iophk | http://www.itwire.com/it-policy-news/regulation/62288-tpp-a-%E2%80%98hugely-dangerous%E2%80%99-and-a-%E2%80%98looming-disaster%E2%80%99 | Nov 15 03:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itwire.com | TPP ‘hugely dangerous’ and a ‘looming disaster’ [ http://ur1.ca/g1hqx ] | Nov 15 03:53 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Nov 15 06:05 |
| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/denmark-blocks-major-movie-sites-norway-prepares-pirate-bay-blockade-131115/ | Nov 15 06:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Denmark Blocks Major Movie Sites, Norway Prepares Pirate Bay Blockade | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/g1j2u ] | Nov 15 06:57 |
| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/11/recent-surface-warming-has-probably-been-underestimated/ | Nov 15 06:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Recent surface warming has probably been underestimated | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g1j39 ] | Nov 15 06:58 |
| iophk | http://www.infoworld.com/d/the-industry-standard/shocker-women-outnumber-men-in-years-tech-hires-230810 | Nov 15 07:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | Shocker: Women outnumber men in this year's tech hires | The Industry Standard - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/g1j3u ] | Nov 15 07:01 |
| iophk | U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. | Nov 15 07:01 |
| iophk | http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/pre-loaded-linux-the-solution-to-a-mass-of-problems/ | Nov 15 07:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.techrepublic.com | Pre-loaded Linux: The solution to a mass of problems - TechRepublic [ http://ur1.ca/g1j45 ] | Nov 15 07:03 |
| iophk | I thought the story of Lindows returns was a myth. | Nov 15 07:04 |
| iophk | http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-11/15/encrypting-all-web-traffic | Nov 15 07:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.co.uk | Internet architects propose encrypting all the world's web traffic (Wired UK) [ http://ur1.ca/g1j5c ] | Nov 15 07:10 |
| iophk | Encrypting all web traffic will affect network loads, interfere with caching and other currently used techniques to reduce load. | Nov 15 07:15 |
| iophk | www.nbcnews.com/science/forests-disappearing-2000-google-cloud-maps-globaa | Nov 15 07:44 |
| iophk | http://www.nbcnews.com/science/forests-disappearing-2000-google-cloud-maps-globaa | Nov 15 07:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ( status 404 @ http://www.nbcnews.com/science/forests-disappearing-2000-google-cloud-maps-globaa ) | Nov 15 07:44 |
| Guest63470 | https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/401290269913788416 | Nov 15 08:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @ch_s: @schestowitz : TBH Oracle has other problems to worry about these days #healthcare .gov blunder in the US :-) | Nov 15 08:30 |
| iophk | Oracle would also have this to worry about, too: | Nov 15 09:00 |
| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/11/15/revenge-of-the-dragon/ | Nov 15 09:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | Revenge of the Dragon | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/g1jn2 ] | Nov 15 09:00 |
| iophk | China, IIRC, got a lot of inside information from M$ a while back. | Nov 15 09:01 |
| iophk | So they know just how little the company and its products can be trusted. | Nov 15 09:01 |
| iophk | It's not like M$ pays any taxes, so the US loses little from this. Only annoying M$ loses, and that's a gain for the world. | Nov 15 09:01 |
| schestowitz_log_ | https://twitter.com/csoghoian/status/40134633697850982 | Nov 15 09:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | No message found | Nov 15 09:12 |
| schestowitz_log_ | https://twitter.com/csoghoian/status/401346336978509824 | Nov 15 09:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @csoghoian: How do US execs justify the secret deals they make with US intel agencies? The risk of shareholder lawsuits if discovered must be huge. | Nov 15 09:12 |
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| schestowitz_log_ | <Guest90894> @FSFEfrance An #ebook with #DRM is no book, says French | Nov 15 09:40 |
| schestowitz_log_ | <Guest90894> retweeted by national assembly. No more lower VAT for | Nov 15 09:40 |
| schestowitz_log_ | <Guest90894> @glynmoody DRM-encumbered eBooks in France, when the law | Nov 15 09:40 |
| schestowitz_log_ | <Guest90894> is passed | Nov 15 09:40 |
| schestowitz_log_ | <Guest90894> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/g1j9v | Nov 15 09:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @FSFEfrance: An #ebook with #DRM is no book, says French national assembly. No more lower VAT for DRM-encumbered eBooks in France, when the law is passed | Nov 15 09:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | (Re-tweeted by glynmoody) | Nov 15 09:40 |
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| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/11/15/chromebooks-eating-ms-lunch/ | Nov 15 14:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | Chromebooks Eating M$’s Lunch | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/g1las ] | Nov 15 14:07 |
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| sebsebseb | Nov 15 14:19 | |
| sebsebseb | iophk: hmm older guy wants GNOME 2 (I think he means Mate really), instead of GNOME 3 | Nov 15 14:19 |
| iophk | Probably means Mate | Nov 15 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well it dcoenst' say that | Nov 15 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I gues so | Nov 15 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: been working on proposals today in their style to | Nov 15 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | going to try and find out that it's ok to propse for 2 3 and even 4 distros though | Nov 15 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | before sending something off | Nov 15 14:20 |
| iophk | cool | Nov 15 14:21 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: been putting stuff in the style though | Nov 15 14:21 |
| sebsebseb | so hepfully this time ok | Nov 15 14:21 |
| sebsebseb | so hepfully this time okis just a change since interface etc | Nov 15 14:21 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybbe better to give WIndows users mate | Nov 15 14:22 |
| sebsebseb | on the other hand younger ones may like GNOME 3 | Nov 15 14:22 |
| iophk | You could use the opportunity to do some testing. Find out what former Windows users like. | Nov 15 14:23 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: to late now | Nov 15 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | would have been good to have tried to do some userbility testing though in a way | Nov 15 14:25 |
| iophk | So bureaucratic. | Nov 15 14:25 |
| iophk | Usability testing would be valuable. | Nov 15 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ,but nope the decioss get made on Tuesday for what will be used for the evet | Nov 15 14:26 |
| sebsebseb | hmm if KDE is shown in Open SUse | Nov 15 14:26 |
| sebsebseb | and Mate is shown in Mint | Nov 15 14:26 |
| sebsebseb | where does Mageai come into things? right it doesn't seem too | Nov 15 14:26 |
| iophk | I thought you had written other plans. | Nov 15 14:26 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: other plans? | Nov 15 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | they didn't like how I proposed | Nov 15 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | so I have to do things i their style | Nov 15 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: oh let's show Mate nstead of GNOME 3, let's kick Mageia out | Nov 15 14:28 |
| iophk | Why? | Nov 15 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybbe I'll just be honest with people at the event here and there about things, if I don't quite get my way | Nov 15 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | I know what I can be like | Nov 15 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well it seems don't need both Open Suse and Mahiea, and Open Suse is getting the votes so | Nov 15 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and there's no Mgeia 4 live session for Cinnamon or Mate, so I guess Mint is in for that then? | Nov 15 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | I can't just say Mageia for those, and proviide a live session to remaster? | Nov 15 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Mageia is a mainly KDE and GNOME focussed distro, maye that will be it's let down, for this particular event | Nov 15 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | since openSUSE | Nov 15 14:29 |
| iophk | Mageia for KDE then | Nov 15 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | which is also a very KDE focussed distro, that provides GNOME to | Nov 15 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: could maybe try and make an unofficl Live session for Mate and Cinnanonm, but I don't think that's the way to go | Nov 15 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: no you saw htose proposals | Nov 15 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | the other two guys one of whihc is the event co ordinater has voted openSUSE for KDE | Nov 15 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | which in fact out of the four of us who will be there on Tuesday, leaves only myself, and the openSUSE guy and guess what the openSUSE guy wil want right hmm | Nov 15 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so three votes for KDE in openSUSE | Nov 15 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | maybe in a way a fourth one to from the guy that's away | Nov 15 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | an so that's me out voted for that one | Nov 15 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | and GNOME may not be in either as in GNOME 3, so Mageia is out then, since no live sesoin for Mate and Cinnamon hmm so Mint | Nov 15 14:32 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they don'tseem to think ike me, tat it may be goo to have two distros showing KDE | Nov 15 14:32 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well I got Brussuels coming up to celebreate the Maegai 4 release etc :) | Nov 15 14:33 |
| sebsebseb | at a proper pen source free software event | Nov 15 14:33 |
| sebsebseb | the internatonally recognised FOSDEM! | Nov 15 14:33 |
| iophk | Sounds better. | Nov 15 14:33 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ,but for this event it's looking like distros that aren't that great really in March and WIndows like interfaces in them | Nov 15 14:34 |
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| sebsebseb | iophk: why is he puttng the wrong date in the emal asking wht bringing uh | Nov 15 14:41 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: should I bother with a fourth propa tat mentions Open SUse I Wonder hmm | Nov 15 14:42 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I mean, KDE and GNOME in both Mageia and Open Suse | Nov 15 14:42 |
| iophk | Suse is toxic. | Nov 15 14:42 |
| sebsebseb | Suse is the winner for this event it seems with Mint, and possibly Ubuntu | Nov 15 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Open Suse is what's causing the problems for me | Nov 15 14:43 |
| iophk | same thing | Nov 15 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | well the guy who likes it since he suggested | Nov 15 14:43 |
| MinceR | if suse wins, almost everybody loses | Nov 15 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | and has influenced the event co ordinater to go with it for KDE to it seems uh | Nov 15 14:43 |
| iophk | KDE on Mageia, like in your proposal | Nov 15 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and two or so years ago he was like I don't care what distros is used for such an eent, uh right, look at now hmm | Nov 15 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well done quite a few propaosl earlier | Nov 15 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | Mint, Cinnamon.... | Nov 15 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: started doing a fourth to that mentioend Open SUse, maybe that's exactly what i shoudnt be doing! | Nov 15 14:44 |
| iophk | right | Nov 15 14:45 |
| sebsebseb | it may win, but me propsing itas a fourth thing? altough that was to go with Mageia | Nov 15 14:45 |
| sebsebseb | baially Open SUSE won it's there, let's have Magiea to, that knd of propsal | Nov 15 14:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I am going to propse for 2 distros, 3 distro,s nad possily 4 to incluing Open SUS as I just said | Nov 15 14:45 |
| sebsebseb | probably all my propoals will get rejected though or pretty much since uh | Nov 15 14:46 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I asume its ok to propse ike that, | Nov 15 14:46 |
| sebsebseb | was thinkng of emailing to check, but hmm | Nov 15 14:46 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: hmm emal sent | Nov 15 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: may as well check tht, instad of maing proposlas fo 2 3 an 4, and then gettin no not like that | Nov 15 14:59 |
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| MinceR | http://shatasm.blogspot.com/ | Nov 15 15:29 |
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| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: Do you stll like Mnt a lot or? | Nov 15 16:40 |
| MinceR | ...not | Nov 15 16:42 |
| ThistleWeb | looking forward to 16 with the new cinimamon | Nov 15 16:43 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: hmm? | Nov 15 16:43 |
| ThistleWeb | but not in a while | Nov 15 16:43 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: i completed your sentence. | Nov 15 16:43 |
| sebsebseb | yeah what do you use now then? | Nov 15 16:44 |
| ThistleWeb | crunchbang for a while | Nov 15 16:44 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: have you used openSUSE properly before by the way, and if so what did you think? | Nov 15 16:44 |
| ThistleWeb | not really, did it once, it was decent | Nov 15 16:44 |
| sebsebseb | well I am a bit uhmm | Nov 15 16:44 |
| sebsebseb | annoyed about stuff at the moment | Nov 15 16:44 |
| sebsebseb | helping orgnaise an event, but | Nov 15 16:45 |
| sebsebseb | aimed at Joe and Jane Average, but | Nov 15 16:45 |
| sebsebseb | to get htem to use Linux isntead of Windows or as wlel as ,but we coudn't just properly decide at the begining what distrs to have and interfaces | Nov 15 16:45 |
| sebsebseb | I thought would be going wiht it all realy or pretty much, but nope, now it's about propsed votes, and then voting on Tuesday, looks to me like Mageia is out already and possibly Ubuntu as wlel | Nov 15 16:46 |
| sebsebseb | and we got four distros, but meant too go down to only 2 or 3 really etc, it's a mess really | Nov 15 16:46 |
| sebsebseb | and the openSUSE guy has convinced the eent co orditaer to propse openSUSE KDE it seems to, and Ubuntu guy di htat to, and uh | Nov 15 16:46 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: I don't think I got friends there really to to be honest, and this is all doe on peoples personal opinions, with promotoins and demo's of the remaseters on Tuesday, I have a feeling I am not going to get my way though, whatever I propose | Nov 15 16:47 |
| sebsebseb | annoying | Nov 15 16:47 |
| sebsebseb | it's like convncing Linuxusers with alread their own opinion, to go with thaat other one for event | Nov 15 16:48 |
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| ThistleWeb | last I tried oensuse I found it was decent actually | Nov 15 16:53 |
| ThistleWeb | I got annoyed with dolphin and the way it handles media files on the nas | Nov 15 16:53 |
| ThistleWeb | it wouldn't play them, wanted to downloaed them, and ket demanding the user / pass | Nov 15 16:54 |
| ThistleWeb | it drove me nuts to the point that it was a dealbreaker, I think that was kde tho | Nov 15 16:54 |
| ThistleWeb | opensuse has a fantastic control center as far as I recall | Nov 15 16:55 |
| ThistleWeb | when I tried it, it was the middle of the whole unity, gnome, gtk not working great time | Nov 15 16:56 |
| ThistleWeb | so I was scrambling around for something decent when none of the distros were doing a great job due to their DEs not being well baked | Nov 15 16:56 |
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| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: yeah exactly it's got a control centre to | Nov 15 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | not just Mageia so hmm | Nov 15 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: Mageia has a good control centre to, but that may not win them over to have Mageia for this event to, it turns out uh | Nov 15 17:14 |
| ThistleWeb | dunno what to say, but the whole mandrake / mandriva popularity train left the station many yrs ago | Nov 15 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | I think the whole Mandriva/Mandrake et legacy, has been around for longer than SUSE has existed to in any form? | Nov 15 17:14 |
| ThistleWeb | and? | Nov 15 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | sure, but Mageia is quite popular still now | Nov 15 17:14 |
| ThistleWeb | it's about whether people care or not | Nov 15 17:14 |
| ThistleWeb | suse has always been kept going | Nov 15 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | I think they all got perosnal opions and poloticsal these other orgnaisers | Nov 15 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | I Think Maegia is out | Nov 15 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | I find out on Tuesday | Nov 15 17:15 |
| ThistleWeb | the whole mandriva line went DOA many times | Nov 15 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I been thinkn it's out every since he's like let's do a vote and then more os when I see proposls etc | Nov 15 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | what do you mean DOA? | Nov 15 17:15 |
| ThistleWeb | DOA - dead on arrival | Nov 15 17:16 |
| ThistleWeb | people moved on | Nov 15 17:16 |
| sebsebseb | Magei has been good ever since that started | Nov 15 17:16 |
| sebsebseb | also Open SUSE is linked to Microsoft, and all that, as MinceR and iophok (who isn't i here right ow) woud say | Nov 15 17:16 |
| ThistleWeb | linux users generally lost patience with that whole line, they're happy with what they;ve found, there's no reason to even care that a new mandriva line is available | Nov 15 17:16 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I don't think stuff like that wil matter for htis event | Nov 15 17:17 |
| ThistleWeb | it's about what people care about, they don't about mageia | Nov 15 17:17 |
| ThistleWeb | you were always fighting an uphil battle | Nov 15 17:17 |
| MinceR | i think what users get hooked on matters | Nov 15 17:17 |
| MinceR | as for DEs, what users see matters | Nov 15 17:17 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: for the event, it's what people think Windows users wnat | Nov 15 17:17 |
| sebsebseb | ,but the people making the decisons all have their own prefered distros and de's etc | Nov 15 17:18 |
| MinceR | (i.e. that there are better options than kde, gnome and unity) | Nov 15 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | and what htey think is best for WIndows users etc | Nov 15 17:18 |
| ThistleWeb | plenty of folks who used to love mandrake / mandriva are happy using fedora, ubuntu, mint etc | Nov 15 17:18 |
| ThistleWeb | then where's the difference? it's easy to use? like loads of others | Nov 15 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | quite a few who used to use Ubuntu are happy using Mageia, me included for that one, but I switched away from Ubuntu before Unity | Nov 15 17:18 |
| ThistleWeb | the DE is the same as other distros | Nov 15 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | the GNOME 2 patchin etc | Nov 15 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: that's the issue I think, what is the ral differnce then? | Nov 15 17:19 |
| sebsebseb | Magiea vs Open SUSE | Nov 15 17:19 |
| sebsebseb | they both run KDE and GNOME | Nov 15 17:19 |
| sebsebseb | they both have control centres hmm | Nov 15 17:19 |
| ThistleWeb | well, opensuse has a LONG pedegree of corporate support | Nov 15 17:19 |
| sebsebseb | oh a nice welcome screen is coming for Mageia 4, but even if I show that some hwo on Tuesday, is that going to make them think Mgiea for this event I am not so sure | Nov 15 17:19 |
| ThistleWeb | it's been refined and polished for many years | Nov 15 17:19 |
| sebsebseb | and Mageia has loads of the former developers etc | Nov 15 17:20 |
| ThistleWeb | you have to find a way to sell it as doing something the many other polished distros don't | Nov 15 17:20 |
| ThistleWeb | a "me too" won't cut it | Nov 15 17:20 |
| ThistleWeb | people need a reason to step outside their comfort zone | Nov 15 17:21 |
| ThistleWeb | they may try magiea, if they can spell it right to search for the site | Nov 15 17:21 |
| sebsebseb | and loads of quality assurance tsting etc, goes into even the milestones, the alphas, beta, rc etc | Nov 15 17:21 |
| sebsebseb | yes seems so for Tuesday, but that's an issue | Nov 15 17:21 |
| sebsebseb | well I am meant to show a demo remaaster or more on Tuesday | Nov 15 17:21 |
| ThistleWeb | I've never tried it, even in virtyualbox | Nov 15 17:22 |
| ThistleWeb | virtualbox | Nov 15 17:22 |
| sebsebseb | and I got five i minutes to try and proote it in a talk | Nov 15 17:22 |
| sebsebseb | then go through the proposals,, and vote on stuff | Nov 15 17:22 |
| ThistleWeb | rpm might be an issue for some folks, fedora / RH know RPM, it's their format, and suse has a long history of it, so they know it inside out too | Nov 15 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: and annongily I can't really push it for Mint and Cinnamon instead of Mint, because that will only be in the repo's for Mageai 4, no live sesions | Nov 15 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: Mageia uses RPM as well | Nov 15 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | with urpmi not yum etc | Nov 15 17:23 |
| ThistleWeb | I know it uses rpm, that's my point | Nov 15 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | oh you mean can't sell it in that way | Nov 15 17:24 |
| sebsebseb | can't say like, oh it's better tha your package manaer | Nov 15 17:24 |
| sebsebseb | for SUSE, beuse it's pretty much the same thing really | Nov 15 17:24 |
| sebsebseb | they are both RPM | Nov 15 17:24 |
| ThistleWeb | rpm has had issues of broken packages for folks | Nov 15 17:24 |
| ThistleWeb | it may be a thing of the past,like BSOD's but it was promenant enough that it tainted folks opinions of rpm | Nov 15 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: I am thinking it may be out, for Open SUSE, since how he persuaded the event co ordinater alredy, and someone else it seemes enough | Nov 15 17:25 |
| ThistleWeb | open suse has always been slick | Nov 15 17:25 |
| MinceR | has opensuse managed to make a usable netinstaller already? | Nov 15 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | and the ther's a guy away, but he watever, and that's fou of us voting, on Tuesday, incling the guy who wants openSUSE | Nov 15 17:25 |
| MinceR | (not the one that has you enter the ip address of an ftp server and the full path on it) | Nov 15 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | so 3 votes for openSUSE nad I am voted out | Nov 15 17:25 |
| ThistleWeb | how much upheavel has there been around the mandrake bloodline? with distros coming and going? | Nov 15 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | PC Linus OS is still there since 2003 | Nov 15 17:26 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia is going well on it's way to Megeia 4 final release | Nov 15 17:26 |
| ThistleWeb | yep, apart form that year or so where he disappeared | Nov 15 17:26 |
| MinceR | debian is still here since 1993 | Nov 15 17:26 |
| sebsebseb | Mandriva itself is dead as a distributer, but there's oing to e a OpenMandria/Moondrake | Nov 15 17:26 |
| sebsebseb | Unity Linux is still around a Mandriva like distro, distro bbuiler type thing | Nov 15 17:27 |
| sebsebseb | ROSA is still around to the Russian thing bsd on Mandria etc | Nov 15 17:27 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, because the mandriva thing is the first thing that linux folks think when they hear unity | Nov 15 17:27 |
| sebsebseb | it's got nothing to do with Canonical Ubuntu Unity | Nov 15 17:27 |
| sebsebseb | also Unty Linux was first as far as I know | Nov 15 17:28 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 15 17:28 |
| ThistleWeb | rosa, yes, so far down the distrowatch charts that you blink and miss it | Nov 15 17:28 |
| sebsebseb | sure, but last time I looked their site was only in Rusian really | Nov 15 17:28 |
| ThistleWeb | and? GNU like that claim, but most folks call it just linux | Nov 15 17:28 |
| ThistleWeb | it's not about first, it's about what people know | Nov 15 17:28 |
| sebsebseb | I don't think many people use ROSA, exept for some Russsians and that'sa bout it | Nov 15 17:28 |
| ThistleWeb | exactly | Nov 15 17:28 |
| sebsebseb | Mandriva 2011 got ROSA stuff put into the KDE though | Nov 15 17:29 |
| ThistleWeb | I reckon a lot of people think magiea is cute, but doesn't really have much of a reason to exist | Nov 15 17:29 |
| sebsebseb | well it's gone down on distro wath from 2 sadly | Nov 15 17:29 |
| sebsebseb | I noticed more recenty | Nov 15 17:29 |
| sebsebseb | ,but still there in the top 5 or 10 | Nov 15 17:29 |
| MinceR | if it's about what people know, might as well show them winblows | Nov 15 17:29 |
| sebsebseb | I think since it's on a 9 months release cycle | Nov 15 17:29 |
| sebsebseb | and that new distro based on Mandriva | Nov 15 17:30 |
| MinceR | and not go too far there either because you might find something they don't know | Nov 15 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | stuf has woren out a bit I think too be honest | Nov 15 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | ,but still there in the top 10 on distrowatch, and it's going well the distro | Nov 15 17:30 |
| MinceR | i thought the whole point was to introduce people to something they don't know :> | Nov 15 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: of the event yes to Liux | Nov 15 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | ,but Linux has many difernet forms/distros with many difernet looks/interfacese and that's our issue | Nov 15 17:30 |
| sebsebseb | for this event at the moment, what to go with exatly, what distro and for what interface | Nov 15 17:31 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: that's for the event abvoe | Nov 15 17:31 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: I think yourtrying tosay a distro need to do something ground breaking | Nov 15 17:31 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: that the others don't do ? | Nov 15 17:31 |
| sebsebseb | or posiblly | Nov 15 17:31 |
| sebsebseb | otherwise it's jut why use that one over that, when they run the same software and kind of software really? | Nov 15 17:31 |
| sebsebseb | I mean in genral it's nice having upstream for loads of stuff, and distros following that, but they should do differences here and there really | Nov 15 17:32 |
| sebsebseb | and not just branding an things like that, well that's a debate. Unity was Canonial attemps at doing tht something differnet, but they annoyed a lot of their community at th same time with it | Nov 15 17:32 |
| ThistleWeb | many distros don't really have a reason to exist | Nov 15 17:33 |
| MinceR | well, it is something different | Nov 15 17:33 |
| ThistleWeb | other than for the few people whos needs it serves | Nov 15 17:33 |
| MinceR | ...different from what makes sense. :> | Nov 15 17:33 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: most of the distro's basd on Ubuntu I agree with you there, most of them don't reallly have a proper reason to exist | Nov 15 17:33 |
| ThistleWeb | there's way too many ubuntu dericvs too, exactly | Nov 15 17:33 |
| ThistleWeb | derivs* | Nov 15 17:33 |
| MinceR | i never get these "way too many" arguments | Nov 15 17:34 |
| MinceR | you don't have to use all of them | Nov 15 17:34 |
| ThistleWeb | true, it's a survival of the most useful | Nov 15 17:34 |
| ThistleWeb | mint started as "ubuntu with codecs" and grew into it's own thing | Nov 15 17:34 |
| sebsebseb | yep way to many, but now even Mint doesn't have as much of a reason to eist, dpeendin on how you look at it, Cinnamon can run in other distros :), Mate an to, oh and that's a Arch thing really. Mint began as a distro for those who found ith ard to get codecs into Ubuntu, now it's a Unity haters/dislikers distro really | Nov 15 17:34 |
| sebsebseb | oh we were typing the same thing | Nov 15 17:35 |
| sebsebseb | around same time :d | Nov 15 17:35 |
| sebsebseb | codecs thing etc | Nov 15 17:35 |
| MinceR | unity could probably run in other distros too | Nov 15 17:35 |
| MinceR | just probably there aren't many people who care for it | Nov 15 17:35 |
| sebsebseb | in general I think it's good to have distro choice and interface choice, but in the case of distros that are just based on some other distro, not a proper fork like Maeia is or like PC Lnux OS was, well yeah most of those are just remasters realy, and don't hae muchof a rason to eist | Nov 15 17:36 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yep indeed to the Unity comment | Nov 15 17:36 |
| ThistleWeb | magiea could be seen as a distro that will flash into existence, get some traction for a few years, then disappear.......like the majority of the mandrake rebirths | Nov 15 17:37 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: Do you think Joe and Jane average should get to see Unity and take a USB home with it on, at the event I was tellng you about? | Nov 15 17:37 |
| ThistleWeb | so what's the poiint of giving it any "we're here to stay" time | Nov 15 17:37 |
| sebsebseb | I bbelie it is here to stay | Nov 15 17:37 |
| ThistleWeb | unity as a DE has advantages for some end users | Nov 15 17:37 |
| sebsebseb | as long as the project has eough money, and that's public, and things are good at the moment there's profit etc | Nov 15 17:37 |
| sebsebseb | do you Unity shold be at this event aimed at the public? | Nov 15 17:37 |
| ThistleWeb | canonical are one of the few who can spend money on proper research | Nov 15 17:37 |
| sebsebseb | ,but that means Ubuntu needs in, and as one of the 3 distros | Nov 15 17:38 |
| ThistleWeb | the result of that concept is Unity, so I'd say it suits their target audience well | Nov 15 17:38 |
| sebsebseb | probably only going to og with 3 distros, and we got these as the propsed ones at the mment, Mint, Open Suse, Mageia, and Ubuntu | Nov 15 17:38 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: yep that's been my thing for why I think Unit should probably be in, since it's aimed at those kind of users | Nov 15 17:38 |
| ThistleWeb | I'd consider ubuntu and suse to have two seats booked | Nov 15 17:39 |
| sebsebseb | also I did read about smoe userbility studies with it in the past, I want Unity in, let's see if thos kind of users like it or not really | Nov 15 17:39 |
| ThistleWeb | the thrid, well, that's in the eyes of the beholder | Nov 15 17:39 |
| sebsebseb | I think openSUSE with KDE is in, beause two of them already propsed that inclding the event co ordinater and the guy who wants Ubuntu, and obviosuly the OpenSUSE guy wants that, so that's 3 votes for openSUS and there's ony 5 of us | Nov 15 17:39 |
| sebsebseb | I think Mint with Cinnamon is probably in, since event co ordinter wants that, and also the guy wanting that | Nov 15 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | and most of them are against Unity they don't like it, it seems | Nov 15 17:40 |
| ThistleWeb | ubuntu has more users than every other disrto put together, yer smoking crack if ya think ubuntu is;t going to be one of the 3 | Nov 15 17:41 |
| sebsebseb | or event co ordinter anyway, but yeah that may be in depends. ,but things realy do point to Magiea being out, unless I can convnce htem on Tuesday hmm, and I been thinking like this for like two weeks already | Nov 15 17:41 |
| ThistleWeb | suse has the "big name IT brand" behind it option | Nov 15 17:41 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: that's how he propsed it, he did the user thing etc, mots users, I been thinking hte same though, it would be strange to have this event, without Ubuntu really | Nov 15 17:41 |
| sebsebseb | the Ubuntu guy | Nov 15 17:42 |
| ThistleWeb | the other two, one has full compatibility with the poster child, the other is a reheated fart from the 2000's | Nov 15 17:42 |
| sebsebseb | the other two ??? which to which? | Nov 15 17:42 |
| ThistleWeb | mint and magiea | Nov 15 17:42 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: it seems Mageia is out yeah, no one has voted for that | Nov 15 17:42 |
| sebsebseb | so far anway | Nov 15 17:42 |
| sebsebseb | and openSUSE can run KDE, and GNOME 3, or could have a GNOME 2 like interface with Mate in Mint or whatever soyeah | Nov 15 17:42 |
| ThistleWeb | you seriously didn't think mageia wouldn't be an uphill battle when you got involved with it? | Nov 15 17:43 |
| ThistleWeb | to convince even linux users to try it, let alone install it | Nov 15 17:43 |
| sebsebseb | he updated the proposals earlier eent co orrdinater after I sugestd GNOME 3 for Mageia, he was like if we agree to have GNOME I think it should be GNOME 2 | Nov 15 17:43 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: if your askig me if I thought it would be a challenge in that way | Nov 15 17:44 |
| sebsebseb | I don't think I gave that much thought to that if any really to begin with, but after that eent whre I did a talk about it a lighting talk | Nov 15 17:44 |
| sebsebseb | and I got aked to compare it afterwoulds well | Nov 15 17:44 |
| sebsebseb | some of them were like to me, why use that over Ubuntu? | Nov 15 17:45 |
| ThistleWeb | folks who are new to linux will go for the best supported ones, which generally means ubuntu.....if there's ontly one PPA for a peivce of software, or a compiled binary, it'll be a deb for ubuntu | Nov 15 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: I guess Open SUSE is more known for example if that's what you mean as well, yes it's got a lower rating in distrowatch at the moment than Magia, but it's still more known really | Nov 15 17:46 |
| ThistleWeb | folks who are used to linux, will possibly distro hop and find their own | Nov 15 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | the best supportedones yeh, well Ubuntu for sure for that | Nov 15 17:46 |
| MinceR | or they'll be turned off by ubuntu | Nov 15 17:46 |
| MinceR | and suse | Nov 15 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | Mint has a small, but nice IRC network | Nov 15 17:46 |
| ThistleWeb | plenty want the assurance that it'll be around for a few years before they atart to make the mental switch of alegiance | Nov 15 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | the SUSE channel on here seems toh ae quit a efw people, but so does #mageia in copariosn really, and think forums will be good for all of those distros | Nov 15 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: that it will be around a few years yeah, you have a point there as wel really. Mandrva in some form or the other been around many years, but Mgea itself first release well 1st jUne 2011 | Nov 15 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | I know that Mageia wll be around for many yars to come though | Nov 15 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | I am qute sure of it | Nov 15 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | well unless the project complety runs out of mone that is | Nov 15 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: maybe it does sound better to put on a 13 or 15 or whateer it is, than a 3 or a 4 | Nov 15 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | distro versio numbers | Nov 15 17:49 |
| ThistleWeb | how many people don't spell magiea right? | Nov 15 17:49 |
| MinceR | there's at least one already :> | Nov 15 17:50 |
| ThistleWeb | the i e and a are odd | Nov 15 17:50 |
| ThistleWeb | at least for westerners | Nov 15 17:50 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah that was an uninentional typoe | Nov 15 17:50 |
| MinceR | doesn't seem odd | Nov 15 17:50 |
| sebsebseb | oh if I am not speing it right well it's, because I am on my netbook keybord | Nov 15 17:50 |
| sebsebseb | I am not as used to typing on this one | Nov 15 17:50 |
| sebsebseb | and it's Mageia | Nov 15 17:50 |
| MinceR | seems like just "magic" in greek to me | Nov 15 17:50 |
| sebsebseb | yep that's what it means what MinceR put | Nov 15 17:50 |
| MinceR | then again, it helps that it translates to "mágia" in hungarian | Nov 15 17:51 |
| MinceR | which is relatively close. | Nov 15 17:51 |
| *sebsebseb thinks ThistleWeb made some interesting points | Nov 15 17:51 | |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: so if it's voted out on Tuesday (as it probaly will be hmm), how do you think I should react? | Nov 15 17:51 |
| ThistleWeb | I don't really distro hop these days, but even when I did, I never even downloaded magiea | Nov 15 17:52 |
| ThistleWeb | I just had no interest in it | Nov 15 17:52 |
| sebsebseb | right and I never really gave OpenSUSE a proper try either | Nov 15 17:52 |
| ThistleWeb | for me, my comfy slippers are in the whole deb family | Nov 15 17:52 |
| sebsebseb | I treid yast from some Live DVD, but didnt' get far with it, I also tried to virtual machine the other day/night what will become the releae soon | Nov 15 17:52 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: yeah the comfy slippers in the Debfamily got two of htem ike that | Nov 15 17:53 |
| ThistleWeb | as an rpm distro, that's a huge factor counting against many folks even trying it | Nov 15 17:53 |
| sebsebseb | the one who wanted Mint, and the one who wanted Ubuntu | Nov 15 17:53 |
| sebsebseb | well openSUE is RPM as well as you put arlier | Nov 15 17:53 |
| ThistleWeb | would magiea stand a better chance if it was deb? very likely | Nov 15 17:53 |
| sebsebseb | in this case yeah maybe actsualy | Nov 15 17:54 |
| MinceR | i don't get most of the package manager hate | Nov 15 17:54 |
| ThistleWeb | yes, and I already explained why opensuse is a bit different, or at least it's gettng a more welcome | Nov 15 17:54 |
| sebsebseb | I could have easily done a remater many weeks ago etc | Nov 15 17:54 |
| MinceR | i mean, sure, conary is idiotic and yum is somewhat unreliable, but i don't see what's inherently wrong about rpm | Nov 15 17:54 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: that's smething else, I coudn't show htem a remaster like they wanted, when they oringally wanted, sine I had to find out how to make the ting first | Nov 15 17:54 |
| sebsebseb | and that really wasn't simple | Nov 15 17:54 |
| sebsebseb | ,but now that I know how to do it, it's alright | Nov 15 17:54 |
| sebsebseb | ,but there was a whole proccess of trying to find out and it all being uh | Nov 15 17:55 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: you think SUSE has more of a chance, since the commerical feel and sponsers even? | Nov 15 17:55 |
| ThistleWeb | why even offer a remaster? isn't the point that you can get folks who see it to think "oh that's cool, can I get the link, CD whatever"? if you offer a custom one off respin that wont represent the expreience they get if they choose it | Nov 15 17:55 |
| ThistleWeb | not to mention many more years of dedicated development, refinement and support | Nov 15 17:56 |
| sebsebseb | yeah openSUSE has that commercal feel to it I guess, that Magiea won't have since it's a proper in the spirot of being a community distro, community distro where everyone is a volunteer | Nov 15 17:56 |
| ThistleWeb | the suse people know it inside out | Nov 15 17:56 |
| sebsebseb | the SUSE ele know what inside out? | Nov 15 17:56 |
| sebsebseb | people | Nov 15 17:57 |
| sebsebseb | guess who wanted the remasters in the first place, and convincned the eent co ordinater to have them, when he didn't realy know about them | Nov 15 17:57 |
| sebsebseb | and of course not me | Nov 15 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | dum de dum, who was it, who were the two people, who went on about how great they were, in the first organisers meeting/ | Nov 15 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | and why? hmm | Nov 15 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | take a guess | Nov 15 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | ?? | Nov 15 17:59 |
| ThistleWeb | I come into IRC on friday nights to listen to the bugcast | Nov 15 17:59 |
| sebsebseb | oh right | Nov 15 17:59 |
| ThistleWeb | this happens to be still in my autojoins | Nov 15 17:59 |
| sebsebseb | ok anyway the openSUSE guy since Open Suse Studio, amd the Mint guy sinece some GUI for that. | Nov 15 18:00 |
| ThistleWeb | I understand that you've seen the merits to magiea and that you're struggling to convince others | Nov 15 18:00 |
| sebsebseb | maybe I just started to annoy you a bit, but the points/comments you made, I have found quite useful, thank you | Nov 15 18:00 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm giving my opinions on why magiea just doesnt interest people | Nov 15 18:01 |
| ThistleWeb | some might be valid, some just inetria, that they see no reason to even try | Nov 15 18:01 |
| sebsebseb | the bug cast yeah, I might hae actsuly been there with him at ogg camp if he went don't know, might have bee him. I mean the kind of guy who would take his kids to such an event? | Nov 15 18:01 |
| sebsebseb | just I remeber some guy being there with his kids etc | Nov 15 18:01 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm a linux user and it didn't even interest me enough to download it | Nov 15 18:02 |
| sebsebseb | I could have chatted to the Crunchbang guy fi I wanted to as well, but nope | Nov 15 18:02 |
| sebsebseb | and his wiffe I gues, but nah, they wr with someone who used to come to my LUG etc | Nov 15 18:02 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I recognisd them wen I heard voices since HRP last year | Nov 15 18:02 |
| ThistleWeb | I've already seen the value of linux, so what does that say about magiea? | Nov 15 18:02 |
| sebsebseb | wel we don't get interestd in all distros | Nov 15 18:03 |
| sebsebseb | many all of us wil just overlook at what distros, depends on person? | Nov 15 18:03 |
| ThistleWeb | I reckon there's a small community like you who magiea works for them | Nov 15 18:03 |
| ThistleWeb | I doubt it will ever be anything other than that | Nov 15 18:03 |
| sebsebseb | well however big that community really s or the genral interest out htere, enought to bei n top 10 on distrowatch, yeah don on page iews,but yeah | Nov 15 18:04 |
| ThistleWeb | of course, but it is indicative | Nov 15 18:04 |
| sebsebseb | so you think openSUSE is better to have at the event instead of Mageia? not as well as? | Nov 15 18:04 |
| MinceR | i'm pretty sure debian has a much bigger community than opensuse | Nov 15 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | yeah, but Mint and Ubunt uis what's been proposed, not Debian itself, as I told you beore | Nov 15 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | also who gives Debian itself to a new user going straight from WIndows? | Nov 15 18:06 |
| MinceR | i gave CrunchBang to such a user, and he seems satisfied | Nov 15 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | altough I think those users | Nov 15 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | would be happy with nearly any distro or interface | Nov 15 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | whch I think is what they don't seem to undrstand for this event enough, or htis event co ordinter in particular for example | Nov 15 18:07 |
| MinceR | unless they bump into the same problems on ubuntu, for example | Nov 15 18:07 |
| ThistleWeb | then why try to force magiea | Nov 15 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: just need to show it can do email etc, and nearly anything is good enough then | Nov 15 18:07 |
| ThistleWeb | if they'd be happy with anyone | Nov 15 18:07 |
| MinceR | or if they go to suse and then get sued by m$ for patents | Nov 15 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | not sure Micrsooft would sue the end uesr for using openSUSE | Nov 15 18:08 |
| MinceR | or just guarantee that there will be no further updates or support? | Nov 15 18:09 |
| MinceR | and that the applications and environment they're used to is going away unless someone pays up? | Nov 15 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | TRIdentica: quite a few of them here dislike openSUSE sine hte patnet stuff etc etc, schestowitz included for that one, so getting your thing was rethresseing :) | Nov 15 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | they just simaplly dislike openSUSE here in general | Nov 15 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | which doens't realy help me for htis event, since its i probably and thats that | Nov 15 18:10 |
| MinceR | i have more reasons to dislike *suse | Nov 15 18:10 |
| MinceR | like the netinstall thing or the thing it did to the keyboard at a friend | Nov 15 18:10 |
| MinceR | or that in order to install a package on suse (not opensuse) i would have needed a disc i didn't have | Nov 15 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | since it's in probably and that's that | Nov 15 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: what do you think about openSUSE when it comes to Microsoft and patents and that kind of thing of interest? | Nov 15 18:11 |
| ThistleWeb | it's still an issue as far as I am concerned | Nov 15 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | ok you think it's an issue interesting | Nov 15 18:11 |
| ThistleWeb | but I doubt any of that will directly affect end users | Nov 15 18:12 |
| MinceR | plus i trust APT a lot more than zypper | Nov 15 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | ,but you don't think a as a resut it shoudn't be used at the event? I don't think if I try saying more about that kind of thing to them, that it wll make any differnce | Nov 15 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | they will still go SUSE probaby | Nov 15 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | after all these are people who want to put Skype on the remasters to | Nov 15 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | yep that's right Skype, and Jitsi to though | Nov 15 18:12 |
| MinceR | saying it at this point might not matter much to them | Nov 15 18:12 |
| sebsebseb | with other codecs pre installed, Skype isn't really meant tobe distributed like that or whatever, and they want Flash to etc | Nov 15 18:13 |
| MinceR | but if they get used to the wrong distro and DE, it might cause them trouble on the long run | Nov 15 18:13 |
| MinceR | it can also cause the rest of us trouble on the long run | Nov 15 18:13 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: and you said earlier that remaseters were ointless or kind of thing, don't g thorugh proper testing etc etc i yep I had simialr fro ipphk (not here at the mment). they want re masetsrssince well it's not really a install fest now | Nov 15 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | it's a live sesions showing thing | Nov 15 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: the end user? if they start with th worn distro and de? | Nov 15 18:14 |
| MinceR | some remasters don't need a lot of testing though | Nov 15 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | the wrong distroandde | Nov 15 18:14 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: yes | Nov 15 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: sure, but maybe Mageia would have been that right distro with the rightDE etc | Nov 15 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Nov 15 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | then it's not in for the event | Nov 15 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | since hwtever | Nov 15 18:15 |
| MinceR | if a remaster just takes a reliable distro and changes some images and default packages, i don't see much chance for trouble | Nov 15 18:15 |
| ThistleWeb | +1 | Nov 15 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: well yes that's the idea, for the remater to pre install all the updates, and some addiotnal apps, that's all | Nov 15 18:15 |
| MinceR | stability-wise, i mean | Nov 15 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Nov 15 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | however certian updats could still cause issus ossbily | Nov 15 18:16 |
| sebsebseb | new kernel etc | Nov 15 18:16 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 15 18:16 |
| sebsebseb | and then for cut down version, Open SUSE guy wants to make smething himself, which I guess is mor than just a standard remaster | Nov 15 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | and so if so is ikely to have more issues possbily | Nov 15 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | and t won't be supported by a distro properly I gues, een if it's some Open SUSE bsed thing made with Open SUSE buil d studio or whtever he wants too do | Nov 15 18:17 |
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| sebsebseb | and for realy old computers Puppy Linux would be better I guess | Nov 15 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: MinceR I wss actsaully recomended agaist doing a reaster of Mageia, because it won't be a offial ISO, won't have al the QA work done to it etc | Nov 15 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | that was the Mageia QA woman | Nov 15 18:18 |
| MinceR | well, it's true | Nov 15 18:18 |
| MinceR | the question is, how much does it matter :) | Nov 15 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | she aso suggestd having the guy who mak the offical ISO's making them for me, which he ssid he would, but unless he makes son this wekend, I got to make myself it seems aia then, I need to make new one for Tuesday | Nov 15 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: or the thing is what is put i to a remaster, a nd that won't ust effet things, new kernel could etc | Nov 15 18:19 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 15 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | if the remaster isn't done right eough, that could cause issues to the distroitself | Nov 15 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | that woudn't be i the offical image | Nov 15 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | and then the user blames the distro | Nov 15 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | when realy it was the remaster, that's what se woried about to a bit I think | Nov 15 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | she | Nov 15 18:20 |
| MinceR | might be safer to try distros that use multiple live images already :> | Nov 15 18:20 |
| MinceR | s/use/provide/ | Nov 15 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: in a way making a remaster, kind of spits on all the QA work etc, as in ike oh well I can make soething betterso | Nov 15 18:20 |
| MinceR | what is the goal of your remaster? | Nov 15 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | uhmm "their remaster" | Nov 15 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | they are the ones wating remsters not me | Nov 15 18:21 |
| MinceR | then theirs | Nov 15 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | the goal is to pre install all the updates to the creation of the remaster, and some other addiontal apps that Joe and Jane averge may want pre intalled | Nov 15 18:21 |
| MinceR | at least that seems to be one of the easier things to test, if the additional apps were already in the official repo | Nov 15 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | yep they will be from offil repo's | Nov 15 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | howver still if putting in certina updates might effect other things | Nov 15 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I guess I am probaby voted out on Tuesday anyway | Nov 15 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: and so won't be making remasters of Magiea 4 for the even | Nov 15 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | and possibly givig the distro a bad name some how | Nov 15 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | I mean if hte remaster isn't done well enough or something | Nov 15 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I guess if some come to the LUG meeting | Nov 15 18:24 |
| MinceR | crunchbang has an advantage with those things | Nov 15 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | can try and get hte usig Mageia later :d | Nov 15 18:24 |
| MinceR | as it asks in the postinstall script whether you want to update everything right away | Nov 15 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | or talk to them at the event if some time and say it's al about choice etc, and .... | Nov 15 18:24 |
| MinceR | and asks whether to install some additional things like java | Nov 15 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yeah and there's a nice tool for remstienrg Opensuse | Nov 15 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | and smeting else for MInt | Nov 15 18:25 |
| MinceR | not skype though, iirc | Nov 15 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: of course not | Nov 15 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | that's | Nov 15 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Skype isn't meant to be distributed by distros | Nov 15 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | can get it off the Skype site diretly through some script htough | Nov 15 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | the Skype server | Nov 15 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | The cost of my deductible went down. The cost of my medication went down. The co-pay for my doctor visits went down. Damn Obamacare. Don't they know I hate money? What am I going to do with this money? Surely I won't use it to buy food and pay my rent! In fact, if they don't take it, I'm going to go out back and burn it all! My grandmother had the same experience with lower costs for her prescriptions and specialist visits, but she still says | Nov 15 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | "That Obamacare is going to replace my Medicare, and it's going to create groups of doctors that will decide when to kill me!". Her exact words. It's not just Fox News. Fox News is actually pretty mild compared to the televangelist channels, which have gotten extremely political, on behalf of the Tea Party. How do we compete with this when the elderly are typically shut in, and watching this filth, and growing increasingly paranoid about the | Nov 15 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | world around them? It's sad. It's sick. The programming on these channels is a form of elderly abuse, in my opinion. They're practically telling them to expect to be marched off to death camps. | Nov 15 19:00 |
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| DaemonFC | "I have my morning coffee for two reasons. One, to kick start my brain, but number two, and more importantly, to jump start my colon." -Robin Williams | Nov 15 19:20 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 15 19:21 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer shared Stargate Atlantis's photo. | Nov 15 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | Hallowed are the Ori! Great holy armies shall be gathered and trained to fight all who embrace evil. In the name of the Gods, ships shall be built to carry the warriors out among the stars and we will spread Origin to all the unbelievers. The power of the Ori will be felt far and wide and the wicked shall be vanquished. | Nov 15 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/1451497_562630620482923_384504335_n.jpg | Nov 15 19:42 |
| MinceR | :D | Nov 15 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan changed his Religious Views. 27 seconds ago | Nov 15 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan likes Origin. | Nov 15 19:45 |
| *MinceR uses the Ark of Truth on Ryan. | Nov 15 19:47 | |
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| MinceR | gn | Nov 15 20:16 |
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| DaemonFC | Jarrett Terrill | Nov 15 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | 7 hours ago near Fort Wayne · | Nov 15 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | So there was big drama at my apartment complex yesterday... Evidently, there's been this crazy blonde woman who has been scamming all the residents here by pretending her car broke down and then when she gets inside your apartment, she starts threatening you until you agree to cook her a meal and give her all your money... #WeirdStuff #IWouldntFallForIt | Nov 15 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer So you've met my former neighbor? LOL The one I told you about. The one that was constantly knocking on my doors and windows, drunk, trying to get me to have sex with her. She fried her brain so bad, she couldn't even remember my name. One day, she knocked on the window. "Kyle! Kyle! I know you're in there! I heard your toilet flush!". "Kyle, do you want to go to Applebees? It's two for $20!". There were men going in and out of | Nov 15 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | that apartment every single day. Things that make you go "Bleh!". | Nov 15 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer I was talking about this woman with my stepdad one day. I asked how the hell she could get away with being $4,000 behind on her rent. He said "Maybe she's taking the landord in and giving him some EEE EEE EEE EEE!!" (noise like mattress springs bouncing up and down). I was like "Oh hell to the no! That's just wrong. My brain is melting!!! Damn it!" | Nov 15 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | a few seconds ago · Like | Nov 15 21:13 |
| DaemonFC | Jarrett Terrill LOL... Ryan Farmer - Remember how those ambulances and school buses and firetrucks were all trying to park in my complex? That was ALL because of her... seriously. | Nov 15 21:13 |
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| interlocutor | Any technocrats here? | Nov 15 21:36 |
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| prurigro | interlocutor: the problem I have with technocracy is that whenever science gets political, the political people move in and stop it from being science | Nov 15 22:53 |
| interlocutor | prurigro: unfortunately technocracy has been unfairly asserted as a "political" system of governance, when in fact it's completely apolitical | Nov 15 23:06 |
| prurigro | how so? | Nov 15 23:06 |
| interlocutor | I like the following quote: Technocracy is: "The rule of the people made effective through the agency of their servants: the scientists and engineers." ~ William Henry Smyth | Nov 15 23:07 |
| prurigro | are you talking more about removing high level politicians from a country's non-social decisions? | Nov 15 23:07 |
| prurigro | how does money get ditributed? | Nov 15 23:08 |
| prurigro | I'd still call this political, being that it's in the realm of what we currently all political | Nov 15 23:08 |
| prurigro | unless I'm misunderstanding | Nov 15 23:08 |
| prurigro | currently call* | Nov 15 23:09 |
| prurigro | like, the ipcc was meant to help make political decisions, but also be apolitical | Nov 15 23:10 |
| interlocutor | well there should be a distinction between being technocratic and achieving technocracy | Nov 15 23:10 |
| prurigro | true | Nov 15 23:10 |
| interlocutor | it's much the same distinction between socialism and communism | Nov 15 23:10 |
| prurigro | socialism and communism are extremely different, if you look at what socialism actually is | Nov 15 23:10 |
| prurigro | china confused the terminology for that one though | Nov 15 23:11 |
| prurigro | imo | Nov 15 23:11 |
| interlocutor | well technocracy is much the same in that you can have a technocratic state of many makeups. you can even have an accomplished technocracy of a few various designs. | Nov 15 23:11 |
| interlocutor | It's difficult to discuss in real terms because it's an idea which has very little mindshare and so has had very little written about it, especially contemporarily | Nov 15 23:12 |
| prurigro | true, I suppose my view on why it wouldn't succeed has stemmed from an implementation that didn't work | Nov 15 23:12 |
| interlocutor | I'm trying to change that | Nov 15 23:12 |
| prurigro | I've actually but a bunch of thought into what I consider a variation of technocracy | Nov 15 23:13 |
| prurigro | though the checks and balance part has been tricky | Nov 15 23:13 |
| interlocutor | Well if you mean the "Technical Alliance" of Technocracy, Inc in the 1930s, it never even reached the implementation phase | Nov 15 23:13 |
| prurigro | but I've always thought any decision that has a scientific field attached to it, should only be possible to make by a politician after getting so many signatures by proffessionals in that field, and those signatures would be as binding as when an engineer signs off on a building | Nov 15 23:14 |
| prurigro | so basically, have professionals stake their reputation on it, within reason | Nov 15 23:14 |
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| prurigro | reputation is the best check and balance I can think of though | Nov 15 23:16 |
| interlocutor | prurigro: you know, I really just need to get these ideas all down into a form that can be redistributed. I have explained my conception of a technocracy so many times it's become a chore! lol :) | Nov 15 23:16 |
| prurigro | hah, well if your definition doesn't line up with the wikipedia one, maybe you should help modify it? | Nov 15 23:17 |
| prurigro | and if it does, just link people there | Nov 15 23:17 |
| interlocutor | I'll have to publish before I can alter the wiki | Nov 15 23:17 |
| prurigro | if there's nothing aleady published that reflects what you feel it is, are you actually correct in your definition | Nov 15 23:17 |
| interlocutor | Actually I could cite extant sources but that article is overseen by skip sievert who is a total asshole and reverts nearly everyone's edits | Nov 15 23:18 |
| prurigro | ? | Nov 15 23:18 |
| prurigro | lol | Nov 15 23:18 |
| prurigro | sounds like wikipedia | Nov 15 23:18 |
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| interlocutor | yep | Nov 15 23:18 |
| interlocutor | prurigro: are you around here much? | Nov 15 23:19 |
| prurigro | I had someone remove a page I was viewing while I was viewing it because "this isn't important relevant to warrant a page"-- if someone unrelated to it is researching it, I'm pretty sure it's somewhat relevant | Nov 15 23:20 |
| prurigro | interlocutor: yup- I've been idling here for a few years now | Nov 15 23:20 |
| interlocutor | sweet | Nov 15 23:20 |
| prurigro | the bnc helps | Nov 15 23:20 |
| prurigro | lol | Nov 15 23:20 |
| prurigro | err relevant enough-- meant to switch important to that, not enough :) | Nov 15 23:21 |
| prurigro | interlocutor: why you ask? gonna follow up? | Nov 15 23:21 |
| interlocutor | Well here's a passage from one of the first works on technocracy, from the very first page: to live, to make, to take, to control — are as essential in modern social life as at any time in the past. But all of these urges in a living democracy should be controlled without being controlled. To achieve this seeming paradox we must have a great national purpose, and unselfish leadership such as could come through a Nationa | Nov 15 23:22 |
| interlocutor | that's from ideas of the late 1890s | Nov 15 23:22 |
| prurigro | hm, this certainly doesn't sound apolitical | Nov 15 23:23 |
| interlocutor | What we can extrapolate is that the author is expounding on an idea where democracy should be "controlled without being controlled" | Nov 15 23:23 |
| interlocutor | these are primitive ideas regarding technocracy | Nov 15 23:23 |
| prurigro | this feels like a required underpinning of it, if anything | Nov 15 23:24 |
| interlocutor | as we have moved into the digital age, it becomes clear how the relationship of citizens and their servants, the technocrats, should relate to eachother | Nov 15 23:24 |
| prurigro | you have to convince people to organize, somehow | Nov 15 23:24 |
| interlocutor | The goal of technocracy in our age is primarily to forumulate, develop, and maintain the productive forces of society to precipitate a superabundant condition of the material and operant conditions of everyone. | Nov 15 23:25 |
| interlocutor | It makes no prescriptions of political context, other than the assent of the people to create a society predicated on post-capitalist super-abundance | Nov 15 23:26 |
| prurigro | so what you're saying is that it requires politics, but doesn't specify them | Nov 15 23:27 |
| prurigro | I guess I was saying political in that the primary elements to establishing it would be through what politics currently controls | Nov 15 23:27 |
| interlocutor | Absolutely | Nov 15 23:28 |
| prurigro | though perhaps my variation on technocracy is more of an implementation | Nov 15 23:28 |
| prurigro | and whether or not it is, would depend on how successful it is | Nov 15 23:28 |
| interlocutor | I'm trying to establish a new technocratic movement called the Technocratic Union. Our stated mission is not to jump into Technocracy, merely that we're "Dedicated to Advancing the Role of STEM Disciplines in the Formulation of Public Policy" | Nov 15 23:29 |
| prurigro | I think most people would get behind that | Nov 15 23:29 |
| prurigro | everyone but the folks already making decisions | Nov 15 23:30 |
| interlocutor | The first steps are numerous and small, and center primarily on advancing the role of science and engineering in the prevailing political climate | Nov 15 23:30 |
| prurigro | I think statistics should be in there too | Nov 15 23:30 |
| interlocutor | that's the M of STEM :) | Nov 15 23:30 |
| interlocutor | Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math | Nov 15 23:30 |
| prurigro | ahh, do they get to fall into math? | Nov 15 23:30 |
| interlocutor | Statisticians are considered Mathematicians, yes | Nov 15 23:31 |
| prurigro | well then | Nov 15 23:31 |
| interlocutor | :) | Nov 15 23:31 |
| prurigro | some mathy fields are somehow not considered that; I'd kinda assumed that was one | Nov 15 23:31 |
| prurigro | what do you think of my reputation implemenation? | Nov 15 23:31 |
| prurigro | works for engineering currently | Nov 15 23:31 |
| prurigro | for private stuff | Nov 15 23:31 |
| prurigro | I just thought of another angle I think should be employed | Nov 15 23:32 |
| prurigro | decisions should be made with expected results attached to them, which are also being signed off on | Nov 15 23:32 |
| prurigro | if the expected results are not met, the decision should be undone (law unmade) | Nov 15 23:33 |
| prurigro | a time limit would need to be attached of course, and justified | Nov 15 23:33 |
| interlocutor | yes, definitely. taking a scientific, results based approach to public policy formulation | Nov 15 23:34 |
| prurigro | too many shitty laws don't pan out, yet remain because of how much work it is to undo a law (pretty well the same amount as to create it) | Nov 15 23:34 |
| Snowleaksange | i take a scientific, results based approach to predicting the weather | Nov 15 23:35 |
| Snowleaksange | but doesnt mean its very successful | Nov 15 23:35 |
| prurigro | Snowleaksange: so using this system, you could put your umbrella away if it turns out not to rain | Nov 15 23:35 |
| prurigro | the current system means you're holding it despite sunny skies, all day | Nov 15 23:36 |
| prurigro | interlocutor: if you're trying to do this, my suggestion is to implement checks and balance as a means of enforcement, all the way up; a lack of them is why the USSA's once decent political system has in my opinion been unravelling | Nov 15 23:37 |
| interlocutor | US politics are ruined because it's based on an obsolete document written over 200 years ago | Nov 15 23:39 |
| prurigro | wouldn't that statement be something of a fallacy? :) | Nov 15 23:40 |
| interlocutor | This sounds hyperbolic, but in my mind we're about 1000 years more advanced than the writers of the constitution could have imagined we'd be | Nov 15 23:40 |
| prurigro | sure, but it's been ammended, and its laws still somewhat apply, not to mention that there's a huge set of rules aside from those ones | Nov 15 23:41 |
| interlocutor | Can you imagine telling them we've have devices we hold in our hands which can instantaneously, through thin air, retrieve nearly the entire sum of all human knowledge? | Nov 15 23:41 |
| interlocutor | srry typos | Nov 15 23:41 |
| prurigro | the canadian bill of rights is pretty old, but it's still applicable and agreeable | Nov 15 23:41 |
| prurigro | I don't see how having or not having a smart phone would relate to a rule on gun control | Nov 15 23:42 |
| prurigro | and the one on privacy, to my understanding, would actually be a good thing in relation to smart phones if it was actually being observed | Nov 15 23:42 |
| prurigro | then again, I'm no expert on american law | Nov 15 23:43 |
| interlocutor | My wife needs me, I need to take off, probably for the night. I'll definitely check in from time to time and converse, seems we have a lot to discuss :) | Nov 15 23:43 |
| prurigro | sounds good- enjoy your night! | Nov 15 23:44 |
| interlocutor | you too | Nov 15 23:44 |
| prurigro | thanks | Nov 15 23:44 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3293438 | Nov 16 04:57 |
| schestowitz | Um, yes... that's what they're likely aiming for... or at least enough of them to create a chilling effect." | Nov 16 04:58 |
| schestowitz | "There's that word again, "content". Why don't people call these things revision management systems?" https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3293056 | Nov 16 04:59 |
| schestowitz | 'Um, because generally they don't manage multiple revisions of any given piece of content... (without extra plugins). At least not last time I checked Wordpress / Joomla." | Nov 16 04:59 |
| schestowitz | "OK then, call it a site management system. Content is a dirty word." | Nov 16 04:59 |
| schestowitz | I agree with Will. And WordPress has had revision management since around 2007.... | Nov 16 04:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 16 05:00 |
| schestowitz | [content] regards these works as a commodity whose purpose is to fill a box and make money. In effect, it disparages the works themselves. | Nov 16 05:00 |
| schestowitz | This seems like over-analysis to me. | Nov 16 05:00 |
| schestowitz | ' | Nov 16 05:00 |
| schestowitz | "Nah, it's the way newspapers and commercial publications work. The whole AP style was developed so they could trim column inches off stories, aka "content", so they would fit around the advertisements. Ask any journalist if you don't believe what Courtney Love had to say about it." | Nov 16 05:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 16 05:00 |
| schestowitz | My mother was a journalist. For 30 years. | Nov 16 05:00 |
| schestowitz | My B.A. is in mass communication, my M.A. is in speech communication. I'm now in a Ph.D. program. | Nov 16 05:00 |
| schestowitz | Are you really calling my bluff? | Nov 16 05:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 16 05:00 |
| schestowitz | "And by the way, Courtney Love was no journalist. I trust what she has to say about the recording industry. But I would not dare generalize her claims beyond it, and I don't believe that she intends for her claims to be generalized beyond it." | Nov 16 05:01 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3291817 | Nov 16 05:02 |
| schestowitz | It's good news as long as they are not working for nasty companies like Microsoft. No one should do that but we know that those companies intentionally hire rights compromised people, such as H1B "guest workers". This only makes things worse for all of us. Tech factories in China use women because they are easier to abuse. People who work at Microsoft walk away with bad culture and skills that mostly work with non free tools, bad | Nov 16 05:02 |
| schestowitz | habits that need to be unlearned." | Nov 16 05:02 |
| schestowitz | Interesting point there about China... | Nov 16 05:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 16 05:03 |
| schestowitz | I hope these positions aren't being filled by women "because they're women" and are instead being filled by women "because they're technically proficient and a good fit for the job." I certainly know there are women out there that are great techies, I'm just hoping businesses aren't hiring them for all the wrong reasons. | Nov 16 05:03 |
| schestowitz | Women getting jobs "because they're women" (or really, in any situation where it's "because they're X") is bad for everyone and can lead to an extremely hostile workplace. | Nov 16 05:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 16 05:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3291886 | Nov 16 05:03 |
| schestowitz | "Bill Gates shares it with China." | Nov 16 05:03 |
| schestowitz | He likes to share... among other plutocrats and abusers... like he shared with coporations (e.g. News Corp) "content" he harvests from students in schools,. | Nov 16 05:04 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3288558 | Nov 16 05:10 |
| schestowitz | "Hosting on AWS? What could go wrong?" | Nov 16 05:10 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3291874 | Nov 16 05:14 |
| schestowitz | "Think of the children" | Nov 16 05:14 |
| schestowitz | because they can't think for themselves. Let's give their generation mass surveillance... | Nov 16 05:14 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3288558 | Nov 16 05:15 |
| schestowitz | "OpenSSH works for my hoards. Boa works for what I can share." | Nov 16 05:15 |
| iophk | Bait title, but in short no filters: | Nov 16 05:19 |
| iophk | http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=da&tl=en&u=http://politiken.dk/forbrugogliv/digitalt/internet/ECE2133647/vi-vil-ikke-begraense-vores-boerns-adgang-til-netporno/ | Nov 16 05:19 |
| iophk | "81 percent of Danes think that it is the responsibility of parents to protect children from porn on the net." | Nov 16 05:19 |
| iophk | parenting - imagine that | Nov 16 05:20 |
| schestowitz | what questiion was asked? | Nov 16 05:23 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like a loaded question, whatever it is [tl'dr] | Nov 16 05:23 |
| schestowitz | A lot of people frame it as a very important issue | Nov 16 05:23 |
| schestowitz | even when it's not | Nov 16 05:23 |
| schestowitz | I first saw pr0n, accidentally, at the age of like 10 | Nov 16 05:24 |
| schestowitz | I found a tape | Nov 16 05:24 |
| schestowitz | later I found some distry magazine when myself and some kids at schools found it laying around a tree | Nov 16 05:24 |
| schestowitz | the point is, many children will inevitably see such things | Nov 16 05:24 |
| schestowitz | them being exposed to pr0n is not the same as being molested | Nov 16 05:24 |
| iophk | I think that was the Danish point. | Nov 16 05:24 |
| iophk | Otherwise, in most other regions, people forget about parental responsibility to guide the development of their own kids. | Nov 16 05:25 |
| schestowitz | moreover, child abuse seems to be an overinflated problem, designed to portray all men of borderline pedophile and widely be seen as suspicious and not worth trusting (as much as government) even within their own family | Nov 16 05:25 |
| iophk | Yes scaremongering | Nov 16 05:26 |
| schestowitz | that's one theory that a friend shared once upon a time | Nov 16 05:26 |
| schestowitz | and it sounds partly plausible | Nov 16 05:26 |
| iophk | Aside from that, filters don't work. | Nov 16 05:26 |
| schestowitz | the chance of some guy trying to rape your little daughter is far less than her getting run over | Nov 16 05:26 |
| iophk | Well they have been breaking the family smaller and smaller, there's really almost nothing left to break. | Nov 16 05:26 |
| schestowitz | So the question is, what should we really focus in within the circles of the media? | Nov 16 05:26 |
| iophk | Industrialization did that. | Nov 16 05:27 |
| schestowitz | families are not divided into toom | Nov 16 05:27 |
| schestowitz | their only connection is, the little girl might take photos of her dad, upload them to Facebook, and tag his face | Nov 16 05:27 |
| iophk | Used to be cousins, aunts, uncles, etc. all near by. | Nov 16 05:27 |
| schestowitz | keeping us divided and helpless | Nov 16 05:27 |
| schestowitz | it helps deter protesting and unions for workers' rights | Nov 16 05:28 |
| schestowitz | erach to his own, people always suspicious of other people | Nov 16 05:28 |
| iophk | divide and conquer | Nov 16 05:28 |
| schestowitz | no empathy, no cooperation, just competition and back-stabbing | Nov 16 05:28 |
| iophk | and extra sales | Nov 16 05:28 |
| schestowitz | champiuoned by national heroes like Jobs and gates | Nov 16 05:28 |
| schestowitz | and TRUMP | Nov 16 05:28 |
| iophk | why sell 1 sofa to a couple when the same company can sell 2 to divorcees | Nov 16 05:28 |
| schestowitz | Did you know he now runs the biggest beauty pageants? | Nov 16 05:28 |
| schestowitz | And they hail him loike he's some kind of hero/Sugar daddy | Nov 16 05:29 |
| schestowitz | iophk: yes | Nov 16 05:29 |
| schestowitz | I heard this divorce theory too | Nov 16 05:29 |
| schestowitz | more consumption | Nov 16 05:29 |
| iophk | the auto companies want to sell 3 cars to each couple | Nov 16 05:29 |
| schestowitz | and if a man pays the woman who raises no child anyway, then the man is further paralysed and unable to engage in activism | Nov 16 05:29 |
| iophk | heard that from the inside | Nov 16 05:30 |
| schestowitz | interesting | Nov 16 05:30 |
| iophk | that was in the 90's but it can't have changed | Nov 16 05:31 |
| iophk | given how they fight any other forms of transport, especially mass transit, but even electric cars | Nov 16 05:31 |
| schestowitz | not been too successful in the UK | Nov 16 05:32 |
| schestowitz | public transport is being shored up here | Nov 16 05:33 |
| iophk | read about the Georgia Olympics in the US. They couldn't even do it for a few weeks. | Nov 16 05:33 |
| iophk | Athletes missed events and such. | Nov 16 05:33 |
| iophk | For commutes, public transport is very effective. | Nov 16 05:34 |
| iophk | It might take a bit longer, usually not much, but in some cases it is fastest. | Nov 16 05:34 |
| iophk | Either way, the time can be used productively: reading or other stuff that can take attention | Nov 16 05:34 |
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| Snowleaksange | http://chennai2013.fide.com/anand-carlsen-video-with-commentary/ | Nov 16 05:42 |
| Snowleaksange | live chess champs btw | Nov 16 05:42 |
| oiaohm | In is interesting that the NSA is now talking about doing a audit on the documents they have to keep classifed. | Nov 16 06:12 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3291874 | Nov 16 06:42 |
| schestowitz | "Terrorism everywhere!" | Nov 16 06:42 |
| schestowitz | yes, NSA is everywhere... | Nov 16 06:42 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3293419 | Nov 16 06:43 |
| schestowitz | "If it is of any interest I purchased a preloaded lenovo Z570 from the Linux Emporium in Birmingham. I have re-loaded it a few times with various distros and have no complaints." | Nov 16 06:43 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286139 | Nov 16 06:45 |
| schestowitz | "What Jake says is consistent with my own experience. These days, even as desperate as I am, I refuse to consider working at that level. Employers revel in the idea that workers should be infinitely replaceable. The idea that they should be paid anything even close to a living wage (in some areas, $15 would still be well below that) will be anathema." | Nov 16 06:45 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3292796 | Nov 16 06:45 |
| schestowitz | More coffee ?" | Nov 16 06:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 16 06:45 |
| schestowitz | "@Mulk, want some Java fork :-)?" | Nov 16 06:46 |
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| iophk | The 3 car marketing goal was 1 for him, 1 for her and one for them to use together, assuming they had any time over from work and commute. | Nov 16 07:41 |
| iophk | http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wiiu/support/oss/ | Nov 16 07:52 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-firepro-s10000-12gb,25083.html#xtor=RSS-999 | Nov 16 09:30 |
| Sosumi | love that passive cooler | Nov 16 09:31 |
| MinceR | geekings | Nov 16 09:54 |
| MinceR | Pawel Kuczynski | Nov 16 10:36 |
| MinceR | oops | Nov 16 10:36 |
| MinceR | Pawel Kuczynski - Brainwashing >> https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/q92/1383647_717098591652056_1075197422_n.jpg | Nov 16 10:37 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer "I like my beer cold...my TV loud...and my homosexuals flaming." --Homer Simpson | Nov 10 01:07 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer That's another thing we desperately need to evict from the Democratic Party. Copyright lobbyists. If Biden and his buddies had their way, we'd have "forever minus one day" already. It's bad enough that their jackbooted thugs are stealing websites and harassing people like Kim Dotcom and Aaron Swartz. This copyright monster has only been getting worse since the DMCA was passed. | Nov 10 01:19 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Nov 10 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | 26 seconds ago · Edited | Nov 10 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | Not only is AXE body spray not a shower in a can, it creates an overpowering stench all by itself. It's like spraying yourself down with urinal cake. | Nov 10 01:40 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 10 02:08 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3268274 | Nov 10 03:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Upgrading on a budget: Running Linux on a refurbished laptop and docking station http://www.zdnet.com/upgrading-on-a-budget-running-linux-on-a-refurbished-laptop-and-docking-station-7000022747/ #gnu #linux | Nov 10 03:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.zdnet.com | Upgrading on a budget: Running Linux on a refurbished laptop and docking station | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/g0brh ] | Nov 10 03:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 10 03:24 |
| schestowitz | Yes, that's how I bought my last two laptops and docking stations rock. He's going to love discovering that you can attach and detatch without rebooting and have all the hardware recognized. My docking station has a button for detatch that sends the OS a signal, but attach is as easy as opening the laptop to wake it up from sleep and cramming it on. KRandRtray does a good job of managing screens and KDE is supposed to remember your | Nov 10 03:24 |
| schestowitz | preferences for particular external monitors. Docking stations are something I only really started using and appreciating when I took my current job that requires me to migrate between two offices. They worked for my X30 and for my X61s. | Nov 10 03:24 |
| schestowitz | http://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/desktop/2011_08_19-saving_the_right_deskspace/index.html http://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/desktop/2012_01_23-e16_multi_monitor_howto/index.html http://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/2013/2013_11_04-krandrtray-left_hand_big_screen/ | Nov 10 03:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | 173.20.223.180 | Tall Screen [ http://ur1.ca/g0brk ] | Nov 10 03:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 10 03:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | 173.20.223.180 | Multiple Monitors with E16 in Wheezy [ http://ur1.ca/g0brl ] | Nov 10 03:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | 173.20.223.180 | Index of pictures [ http://ur1.ca/g0brm ] | Nov 10 03:24 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3206441 | Nov 10 03:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Introducing Kwheezy 1.2 http://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?issue=20131021#feature #kde #kwheezy #gnu #linux | Nov 10 03:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. [ http://ur1.ca/fxlgs ] | Nov 10 03:25 |
| schestowitz | 'Kwheezy didn't work for me on Hp notebook." | Nov 10 03:25 |
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| DaemonFC | http://news.softpedia.com/news/Pear-OS-8-Could-Arrive-on-Microsoft-Surface-Tablet-398758.shtml | Nov 10 07:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | news.softpedia.com | Pear OS 8 Could Arrive for Microsoft Surface Tablet [ http://ur1.ca/g0ces ] | Nov 10 07:16 |
| DaemonFC | How do you get that to work? Don't those have Restricted Boot. | Nov 10 07:16 |
| DaemonFC | err ? | Nov 10 07:16 |
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| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/11/09/dutch-cyber-security-centre-points-to-gnulinux-to-replace-xp/ | Nov 10 07:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | Dutch Cyber Security Centre Points To GNU/Linux To Replace XP | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/g0chh ] | Nov 10 07:39 |
| DaemonFC | Why Debian? | Nov 10 07:43 |
| iophk | http://lists.debian.org/debian-user/2013/11/msg00410.html | Nov 10 07:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | lists.debian.org | Why Debian [ http://ur1.ca/g0chz ] | Nov 10 07:44 |
| iophk | ? | Nov 10 07:44 |
| DaemonFC | Too conservative. They also have too many derivatives that are detracting from the GNU/Linux one. | Nov 10 07:45 |
| iophk | stack ranking now at Yahoo. The damage continues. | Nov 10 07:54 |
| iophk | http://allthingsd.com/20131108/because-marissa-said-so-yahoos-bristle-at-mayers-new-qpr-ranking-system-and-silent-layoffs/ | Nov 10 07:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | allthingsd.com | "Because Marissa Said So" -- Yahoos Bristle at Mayer's New QPR Ranking - Kara Swisher - News - AllThingsD [ http://ur1.ca/g0cix ] | Nov 10 07:54 |
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| iophk | oldish - http://conferences.sigcomm.org/imc/2011/docs/p171.pdf | Nov 10 08:21 |
| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/european-parliament-considers-decriminalizing-file-sharing-131109/ | Nov 10 10:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | European Parliament Members Explore Decriminalizing File-Sharing | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/g08ah ] | Nov 10 10:08 |
| DaemonFC | "Giving the Linus Torvalds Award to the Free Software Foundation is a bit like giving the Han Solo Award to the Rebel Fleet. " | Nov 10 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Nov 10 10:34 |
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| Sosumi | the problem is that Han Solo doesn't need any award | Nov 10 11:05 |
| Sosumi | he got the princess | Nov 10 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | and a bunch of money | Nov 10 11:11 |
| Sosumi | yep, that too | Nov 10 11:11 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz has a problem with Lennart Poettering? | Nov 10 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | systemd and pulseaudio are free | Nov 10 11:22 |
| DaemonFC | http://techrights.org/2013/11/09/linux-foundation-focus/ | Nov 10 11:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | The Linux Foundation Emphasises Technical Aspects, Not Freedom | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g0d6s ] | Nov 10 11:22 |
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| iophk | http://www.itwire.com/your-it-news/home-it/62189-pc-sales-in-spiralling-death-dive | Nov 10 11:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itwire.com | PC sales in spiralling death dive [ http://ur1.ca/g0da8 ] | Nov 10 11:55 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zr9tfPowsMI | Nov 10 12:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Sheldon talks about Raj's pinworms - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/f6h5t ] | Nov 10 12:10 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yGvKhhuc7BQ | Nov 10 12:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Daft Punk - Get Lucky (Karaoke) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g0ddc ] | Nov 10 12:14 |
| iophk | An interesting take. If tablets and smartphones count as computers, then the media will have to admit to Linux taking off. | Nov 10 12:36 |
| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/11/10/the-pc-industry-is-thriving/ | Nov 10 12:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | The PC Industry Is Thriving | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/g0dg1 ] | Nov 10 12:36 |
| iophk | df -h | Nov 10 12:45 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265565 | Nov 10 12:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ikey Doherty Gets a Great Job by Developing GNU/Linux, But What Does That Mean to Free Software? http://techrights.org/2013/11/08/solusos/ #gnu #linux | Nov 10 12:47 |
| schestowitz | "I'm talking about firmware, drivers and such, Will. Software that enables my computer to do stuff like - turn on, display stuff on the screen, accept input from a keyboard and mouse, etc. My next computer won't need any proprietary software to make it work (I'll get a "Linux-friendly" one), but I don't appreciate being treated like a leper in the FOSS community because I happen to have a machine that requires a few proprietary drivers | Nov 10 12:47 |
| schestowitz | and stuff. Stallman can polish my bat-pole if he doesn't like it." | Nov 10 12:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Ikey Doherty Gets a Great Job by Developing GNU/Linux, But What Does That Mean to Free Software? | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g05he ] | Nov 10 12:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 10 12:48 |
| schestowitz | @Robin - point your aggression into the right direction. | Nov 10 12:48 |
| schestowitz | RMS wants you to have all of your drivers free, open, available, stable and embedded in a GNU/Linux kernel. | Nov 10 12:48 |
| schestowitz | Hardware vendors don't want to open it all up, so they can still control where and to whom they give the specs - and pardon me, but the specs are really the most basic things you can give away. It doesn't hurt anyone to give out the specs. It's just about working together under many different OSs. They can give you the drivers, but they can't give you the specs? something isn't right here. Go figure what. | Nov 10 12:48 |
| schestowitz | So, keeping long things short - blame the bad guys - vendors - and not the good guys - RMS and Co. | Nov 10 12:48 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 10 12:48 |
| schestowitz | RMS is an important target for those who abuse their power, suggests experience. | Nov 10 12:48 |
| DaemonFC | People in tipped professions should be paid a fair hourly wage by their employer, and the cost should be built into the cost of the goods and/or services. The nature of the tipping system is such that prejudice can be used as excuse for the theft of someone's labor. I tip when it's expected, but I don't like the practice. | Nov 10 12:49 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.takepart.com/article/2013/10/25/anti-gay-note-left-restaurant-check-lieu-tip?cmpid=tp-ptnr-alternet | Nov 10 12:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.takepart.com | Anti-Gay Note Left on Restaurant Check in Lieu of Tip [ http://ur1.ca/g0di3 ] | Nov 10 12:49 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3271981 | Nov 10 12:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Linus was asked if the US government ever wanted a backdoor added to Linux. He nodded "yes" while saying "no"." http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/life-forked-road?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+linuxjournalcom+%28Linux+Journal+-+The+Original+Magazine+of+the+Linux+Community%29 | Nov 10 12:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.linuxjournal.com | Life on the Forked Road | Linux Journal [ http://ur1.ca/g0dic ] | Nov 10 12:50 |
| iophk | RMS is a target because of the tradition of attacking the messenger. | Nov 10 12:50 |
| schestowitz | "Just don't use SELinux and other weird stuff and you're basically ok. That's the best advice I can give to people right now when it comes to GNU/Linux and NSA thing." | Nov 10 12:50 |
| schestowitz | iophk: yup | Nov 10 12:51 |
| schestowitz | gtg, bbl | Nov 10 12:51 |
| schestowitz | Got all your links in my browser now | Nov 10 12:51 |
| iophk | ok | Nov 10 12:51 |
| schestowitz | gotta rrush though, wife at the door waiting to leave.. | Nov 10 12:51 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.dailykos.com/story/2013/11/09/1254476/--15-Minimum-Wage-WINS-by-43-VOTES | Nov 10 14:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.dailykos.com | Daily Kos: $15 Minimum Wage WINS by 43 VOTES [ http://ur1.ca/g0dre ] | Nov 10 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | There's no reason why a $15 an hour minimum wage couldn't work. It's the law in Australia. Somehow, small business exists there. Go figure. In fact, the US has the lowest minimum wage of any country until you start counting the Third World. | Nov 10 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IN9FPKai3Ik | Nov 10 14:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Bill Maher New Rules - When Did Christian Values Change From Love Thy Neighbor to F*ck Off & Die - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g0drz ] | Nov 10 14:19 |
| DaemonFC | "It looks like an actual $10, so you get the benefit of giving poor people hope and then crushing it, but on the back it says 'Some things are worth more than money, like your eternal salvation that was bought and paid for by Jesus going to the cross.'. Yeah, well, Jesus didn't have to put gas in the donkey." | Nov 10 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 10 14:21 |
| DaemonFC | "And beyond that, someone needs to tell these people that not tipping a gay waiter will not make him want to put his penis in a woman. It'll make him want to put his penis in your pasta primavera. " | Nov 10 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Nov 10 14:27 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. I'd have to say that if I was a waiter and someone left me a nasty note calling me a faggot and telling me that I wasn't getting a tip, I'd remember them and bring them something "special" next time. | Nov 10 14:29 |
| DaemonFC | I'll never forget the time I pwned my dad in an argument over marriage. | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | It's been about 10 years or so, so I'm a little fuzzy on the exact wording. | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | Dad: "Marriage is designed for a man and a woman so they can have children." | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | Me: "So, you and Jan should get cracking on that." | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | Dad: "Uhhh.... That's not what I meant. You know what I meant!" | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | Me: "Yes, I know you're grasping at straws there, but let's go to the next point. Does the world really need more people?" | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | Dad: "Well, it's not America that's the problem! It's those *OTHER* countries!" | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | Me: "Oh. You mean the undeveloped ones where it takes about twenty people to pollute the world as much each year as one American?" | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | It turns out that people that live primitively don't actually create much garbage or carbon dioxide emissions! It takes a country like the United States, where everyone has a car or two, central air, televisions, computers, etc. and the food is so overpackaged that you create a couple pounds of non-biodegradable trash every time you cook a meal. If I'm capable of figuring this out, wouldn't you suppose that a man with nine patents and a few | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | advanced college degrees could? | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | I'm not one of the people that's responsible for keeping this insanity going. When I die, there won't be anyone to replace me, and there doesn't need to be, because the human race will never be in danger of not reproducing quickly enough, on the whole, to surpass the death rate. | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | And I think that's where the conversation ended. | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | Now, there are those on the far right that really strongly oppose equal marriage rights, but it's because they're hoping that not being able to get married will sabotage LGBT relationships and cause them to fail. Then they can point to LGBT people and say "See! It never works out!". It probably does help people make a split second decision to break up when there's fewer things stopping them from doing it. That's a really wicked thing to do to | Nov 10 14:49 |
| DaemonFC | someone though. If that's what someone is up to, they should be ashamed of themselves. | Nov 10 14:49 |
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| iophk | A little old - http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg220a29415.700-an-oil-crash-is-on-its-way-and-we-should-be-ready.html | Nov 10 15:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.newscientist.com | There has been an error - New Scientist [ http://ur1.ca/g0e1g ] | Nov 10 15:20 |
| MinceR | geekings | Nov 10 15:29 |
| MinceR | what happened to the-source.com? | Nov 10 16:01 |
| iophk | what was it? | Nov 10 16:01 |
| MinceR | a useful blog | Nov 10 16:04 |
| MinceR | for example, it had this: https://web.archive.org/web/20121008021207/http://www.the-source.com/2010/12/mono-unsafe-at-any-speed/ | Nov 10 16:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | web.archive.org | Mono: Unsafe At Any Speed « The-Source.com [ http://ur1.ca/g0e7t ] | Nov 10 16:04 |
| iophk | netcraft has no historic data for it. It seems quite gone. | Nov 10 16:05 |
| MinceR | indeed. | Nov 10 16:05 |
| iophk | http://laboratory.zentyal.org/install-configure-zentyals-technology-preview-of-native-ms-exchange-replacement/ | Nov 10 16:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | laboratory.zentyal.org | Part I: Install & configure Zentyal’s Technology Preview of native MS Exchange replacement | Zentyal Labs [ http://ur1.ca/g0e8y ] | Nov 10 16:12 |
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| DaemonFC | They decided to bulldoze the Sandy Hook Elementary School and build a new one. It got me wondering if they'll do it again if there's a repeat shooting there. There haven't been any changes that will discourage gun violence. It may not happen there again, but it will happen somewhere. I used to own a gun when I lived somewhere that was not safe, but I sold it because I no longer wanted it in my house. I understand why people would want one | Nov 10 16:43 |
| DaemonFC | considering how much the police suck. I don't understand how anyone could *like* having one. | Nov 10 16:43 |
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| iophk | http://blog.feedly.com/2013/11/07/google-authentication/ | Nov 10 18:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | blog.feedly.com | Google+ Authentication [Rolled back!] | Building Feedly [ http://ur1.ca/g0eqa ] | Nov 10 18:17 |
| iophk | "The main lesson we learned here is that user should control how they want to login to login " | Nov 10 18:18 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/399612623869988864 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/399612222957441024 | Nov 10 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Tablets and smartphones are PCs!" http://t.co/tmEMbTNZq2 http://t.co/gEWCHFBh9e and they usually come with #linux | Nov 10 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> mrpogson.com | The PC Industry Is Thriving | Robert Pogson | Nov 10 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.itwire.com | PC sales in spiralling death dive | Nov 10 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Dutch Cyber Security Centre Points To GNU/Linux To Replace XP https://t.co/oyVeA96dJq http://t.co/X8L1WSKsD0 | Nov 10 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> joinup.ec.europa.eu | Dutch cyber security centre: Linux suitable for businesses | Joinup | Nov 10 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> mrpogson.com | Dutch Cyber Security Centre Points To GNU/Linux To Replace XP | Robert Pogson | Nov 10 19:02 |
| schestowitz | [16:12] <iophk> http://laboratory.zentyal.org/install-configure-zentyals-technology-preview-of-native-ms-exchange-replacement/ | Nov 10 19:06 |
| schestowitz | thanks, but it's not nre | Nov 10 19:06 |
| schestowitz | *nre | Nov 10 19:06 |
| schestowitz | *new | Nov 10 19:06 |
| iophk | not new but nearing release | Nov 10 19:06 |
| schestowitz | [16:01] <MinceR> what happened to the-source.com? | Nov 10 19:06 |
| schestowitz | ana mono-nono | Nov 10 19:06 |
| schestowitz | I last checked months ago and it had banished | Nov 10 19:07 |
| schestowitz | vanished | Nov 10 19:07 |
| MinceR | :/ | Nov 10 19:07 |
| schestowitz | what remains is in the Web Archive (except the stuff that burned in last week's fire) | Nov 10 19:07 |
| schestowitz | and some blockquotes in techrights | Nov 10 19:07 |
| schestowitz | and jason's hard-drive presumably... | Nov 10 19:07 |
| schestowitz | [14:14] <DaemonFC> There's no reason why a $15 an hour minimum wage couldn't work. It's the law in Australia. Somehow, small business exists there. Go figure. In fact, the US has the lowest minimum wage of any country until you start counting the Third World. | Nov 10 19:08 |
| schestowitz | If ou pay people more, you increase spendings, too | Nov 10 19:08 |
| schestowitz | You can't make an economy work in a vaccum of just credit (debt) cards | Nov 10 19:09 |
| schestowitz | but then again, Australia is also one of the richest Western nations | Nov 10 19:09 |
| MinceR | i had at least one MAFF saved from the-source.com | Nov 10 19:09 |
| MinceR | obviously not everything, though :> | Nov 10 19:09 |
| schestowitz | I think Switzerland is #1, close to tiny nations like Monaco and Luxembourg | Nov 10 19:09 |
| schestowitz | Maybe the Vatican, which like the Swiss economy just benefits from a large scam | Nov 10 19:09 |
| iophk | http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/08/youtube-cofounders-first-public-comment-in-8-years-why-the-f-do-i-need-a-google-account-to-comment-on-a-video/ | Nov 10 20:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | venturebeat.com | YouTube cofounder’s first public comment in 8 years: ‘why the f*** do i need a google+ account to comment on a video?’ | VentureBeat [ http://ur1.ca/g0f4z ] | Nov 10 20:02 |
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| Sosumi | I knew it | Nov 10 20:28 |
| Sosumi | portugal's second bailout in being discussed (in secret) | Nov 10 20:28 |
| Sosumi | *is | Nov 10 20:28 |
| Sosumi | way too many excuses and seet talk paving the way | Nov 10 20:29 |
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| Sosumi | to make the announcement not come as a shock | Nov 10 20:29 |
| Sosumi | that or they'll pull a cyprus | Nov 10 20:30 |
| Sosumi | since they're already telling retired to drop dead | Nov 10 20:31 |
| Sosumi | it'll also come as no surprise | Nov 10 20:31 |
| Sosumi | meanwhile bread a circus (beer and football) | Nov 10 20:31 |
| Sosumi | and when few have too much money | Nov 10 20:35 |
| Sosumi | http://www.motorauthority.com/news/1088275_3-4-million-lykan-hypersport-debuts-in-production-trim-at-dubai-motor-show | Nov 10 20:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.motorauthority.com | $3.4 Million Lykan Hypersport Debuts In Production Trim At Dubai Motor Show [ http://ur1.ca/g0f8d ] | Nov 10 20:35 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2013-11-10/bitcoin-plunges-25-government-scrutiny-first-btc-fair-value-reco-has-stunning-price- | Nov 10 22:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zerohedge.com | As Bitcoin Plunges 25% On Government Scrutiny, The First BTC "Fair Value" Reco Has A Stunning Price Target | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/g0fmz ] | Nov 10 22:53 |
| Sosumi | and I said it | Nov 10 22:53 |
| Sosumi | it'd go down as fast as it went up | Nov 10 22:53 |
| Sosumi | and to diversify while it was high | Nov 10 22:53 |
| Sosumi | but article is crap | Nov 10 22:54 |
| Sosumi | it's just volatile | Nov 10 22:55 |
| Sosumi | the intelligent move is when it's high, trade it for something else like gold (or toilet paper) | Nov 10 22:55 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 10 23:14 |
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| Sosumi | gn | Nov 11 00:09 |
| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/uk-spies-continue-quantum-insert-attack-via-linkedin-slashdot-pages/#p3 | Nov 11 00:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | November | 2013 | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g0fwh ] | Nov 11 00:10 |
| Sosumi | spoofed linkedin and slashdot sites to serve malware | Nov 11 00:11 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265676 | Nov 11 01:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When it Comes to Trademarks, Canonical is Even Worse Than Novell http://techrights.org/2013/11/08/trademarks-canonical/ #ubuntu #canonical | Nov 11 01:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | When it Comes to Trademarks, Canonical is Even Worse Than Novell | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g05th ] | Nov 11 01:21 |
| schestowitz | "Excuse me? First you are angry because you thought they didn't have a legal ground, now you are angry because they did have one? Do I get you right? Just what should they have done in order to protect their brand? I think we both agree that it would have been better just to do nothing because of the shit storm. But, just for the sake of the argument, what would have been the best way to handle this? What would have been better than a | Nov 11 01:21 |
| schestowitz | polite email?" | Nov 11 01:21 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 01:23 |
| schestowitz | Jan, fixubuntu.com isn't a product. It's entirely non-profit. This is an important distinction you are ignoring. | Nov 11 01:23 |
| schestowitz | What do you expect Fix Ubuntu to be called, anyway? | Nov 11 01:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 01:23 |
| schestowitz | | | Nov 11 01:23 |
| schestowitz | 'It is not a commercial product but nevertheless it is a ‘product’ name from a trade mark position. I don't know a better name. It a good name. Just not a wise one if you want to be on the save side." | Nov 11 01:23 |
| schestowitz | http://ebb.org/bkuhn/blog/2013/11/08/trademark-aggression.html | Nov 11 01:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ebb.org | Canonical, Ltd.'s Trademark Aggression - Bradley M. Kuhn ( Brad ) ( bkuhn ) [ http://ur1.ca/g03rx ] | Nov 11 01:23 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 01:24 |
| schestowitz | Bradley Kuhn answered most of what you are saying, Jan P. It's insulting of Canonical to act like a letter from lawyers is "friendly", it's a threat from a well funded company that can make life hard. We can be angry that any court would allow a company to waste people's time and money with a frivolous lawsuit without surrendering the basics of trademark law. Kuhn walks through how the letter asks for something that's not right and how | Nov 11 01:24 |
| schestowitz | they could have asked for it to be fixed in case the world is really filled with idiots. | Nov 11 01:24 |
| schestowitz | It would have been better for Canonical not to bother, not because of the shitstorm but because it was wrong. The world is not full of idiots and no real harm has come to the Ubuntu trademark from this website. Canonical should apologize for the letter and make a change in management that will prevent similar bad decisions in the future. Someone was given responsibility they should not have had and needs oversight. | Nov 11 01:24 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 01:25 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 01:25 |
| schestowitz | @Will: Okay, I didn't read all of the linked text, so no comment about that. I am bored by this discussion by now. I don't like it how some people seem to try very hard to see some evil. | Nov 11 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, in reply to what you wrote: Mark Shuttleworth wrote on Google plus: ‘This was a bit silly on our part, sorry.’ He continues: ‘In this case we should just have said “you may use the mark if you say that you are doing so with permission”. I guess a new guy made a bad call, but that happens and there's no point in beating Canonical up over an inadvertent slip.’ In a reply on his post he also writes: ‘Yes, it was one | Nov 11 01:26 |
| schestowitz | person just taking what they thought was a routine action. They are new to Canonical and open source, and our policy on this is unusually open minded, and they were not aware of that in this case. I believe it was an accident and it is unlikely to happen again given the publicity .’ | Nov 11 01:26 |
| schestowitz | So, the trademark has been removed, they have a note saying they are not connected with Canonical, they may keep their domain, shit storm continues. I am tired of this. | Nov 11 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Oh, and this world is full of idiots, don't you ever watch TV? | Nov 11 01:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 01:26 |
| schestowitz | Even Canonical expresses regrets, and not just because of the backlash. | Nov 11 01:27 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265636 | Nov 11 01:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/canonical-abused-trademark-law-to-target-a-site-critical-of-ubuntu-privacy/ #ubuntu #canonical #privacy | Nov 11 01:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g01vv ] | Nov 11 01:39 |
| schestowitz | "Yes they did, Jan. Since you seem to be unable to read the effing email yourself instead of just repeating Canonical talking points I'll quote it for you: It has been brought to our attention that your website: https://fixubuntu.com/ is using Canonical’s trademarks including Ubuntu logo on your website and *Ubuntu word in your domain name... So, whilst we are very happy for you to write about Ubuntu, we request you to remove Ubuntu | Nov 11 01:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fixubuntu.com | Fix Ubuntu | Nov 11 01:39 |
| schestowitz | word from you domain name and Ubuntu logo from your website.*" | Nov 11 01:39 |
| schestowitz | me: | Nov 11 01:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 01:47 |
| schestowitz | Rogue bots are eating up bandwidth in my site. It has been just 10 days this month and already 20 GB have been eaten up. Looking into AWStats, I see: | Nov 11 01:47 |
| schestowitz | Unknown robot (identified by empty user agent string)77,116+968.51 GB10 Nov 2013 - 03:18 | Nov 11 01:47 |
| schestowitz | So some bots that don't identify themselves are just piling up almost 1 GB per day. Can they be blocked based on user agent string? At this current pace I'll need to pay extra charges for bandwidth. No idea as to whether these are Windows zombie PCs, but over the years I have had to pay high costs for such Swiss cheese software running amok with NSA back doors..... | Nov 11 01:47 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 01:47 |
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| DaemonFC | http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/000000/10000/5000/100/15129/15129.strip.gif | Nov 11 07:04 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart. | Nov 11 07:04 |
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| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/uk-spies-continue-quantum-insert-attack-via-linkedin-slashdot-pages/ | Nov 11 08:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | UK spies continue “quantum insert” attack via LinkedIn, Slashdot pages | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g0hq6 ] | Nov 11 08:48 |
| MinceR | geekings | Nov 11 08:59 |
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| schestowitz | bots are hammering on the site | Nov 11 09:26 |
| iophk | :( | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | about 1 GB a day from some empty user string bots | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | Captain's log. We received a signal from Lee Scarf on StarDate 11/11/13 08:24. Translated to English it stated:> Hi Roy, | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > These bots will likely be innocent crawlers from one of the many search | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > engines out there, I know it's annoying but as you have 4.8gb of content | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > in the domain's public web space bots will use alot of bandwidth | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > spidering all that. I notice Googlebot uses 1-2gb of bw every month so | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > other crawlers will likely use a similar amount each. | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > If you're happy for the site to potentially not be aswell indexed in | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > some search engines then you can try adding a comprehensive robots.txt | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > which will allow/deny certain bots from crawling your site, some | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > unscrupulous crawlers may well ignore it but the respectable search | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > engines will take note. Visit this link to compile a custom robots.txt | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > and then add it to your site and see how it goes | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > http://www.mcanerin.com/EN/search-engine/robots-txt.asp | Nov 11 09:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.mcanerin.com | Robots.txt Generator - McAnerin International Inc. [ http://ur1.ca/g0hxe ] | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > In addition to a robots.txt you can specifically configure the googlebot | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > crawler to limit the amount of times it crawls your webspace, that's | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > done via your Google Webmaster Tools account, more info at | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > https://support.google.com/webmasters/answer/48620?hl=en | Nov 11 09:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | support.google.com | Changing Google's crawl rate - Webmaster Tools Help [ http://ur1.ca/g0hxf ] | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > If you know the IP/IP range of any the bots/crawlers, you can add them | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > into cPanel under 'IP Deny Manage'. | Nov 11 09:26 |
| iophk | IIRC you can specify rate or freq in robots.txt | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > Best regards | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | > Lee | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | Hi Lee, | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | Thanks so much for the detailed suggestions. I will consider each in turn and later today I'll do some IP range analysis to recognise the source of the suspicious crawling. Google is worth the cost of bandwidth; other unnamed spiders just put load on your server and cost me in b/w addons. Like I've said, I need to look into this later today and resolve it myself. Thanks for the kind and helpful reply. | Nov 11 09:26 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 09:26 |
| iophk | of the ones that misbehave, hit them with iptables | Nov 11 09:27 |
| iophk | do you have the User Agent header in the logs? That will help a lot for the bots that self-identify. | Nov 11 09:30 |
| schestowitz | I can't do that with robots.txt | Nov 11 09:30 |
| schestowitz | and I don't have access to iptables | Nov 11 09:30 |
| schestowitz | it's not VPS | Nov 11 09:30 |
| schestowitz | it's a shared server with a host that only exposes cpanel | Nov 11 09:30 |
| schestowitz | that's for my personal site, not techrights | Nov 11 09:30 |
| iophk | ok | Nov 11 09:31 |
| schestowitz | I have lots of posts coming today, working on tuxmachines.org layout is another task | Nov 11 09:31 |
| schestowitz | it's already modified somewhat | Nov 11 09:31 |
| schestowitz | http://tuxmachines.org | Nov 11 09:31 |
| iophk | Some robots will obey the unofficial 'crawl-delay' entry in robots.txt | Nov 11 09:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tuxmachines.org | tuxmachines.org | Do you waddle the waddle? | Nov 11 09:32 |
| schestowitz | those that obey rules are not the issue | Nov 11 09:32 |
| schestowitz | The problem is those which don't give a damn about rule and just scrape the site greedily | Nov 11 09:32 |
| iophk | but the other ones can't be dealt with except with iptables AFAIK | Nov 11 09:32 |
| schestowitz | and I pay for the bandwidth they devour | Nov 11 09:32 |
| schestowitz | I already lost a lot of money due to Windows zombies doing this | Nov 11 09:32 |
| iophk | yes | Nov 11 09:32 |
| schestowitz | e.g. hammering on wikis with spam | Nov 11 09:32 |
| schestowitz | brb | Nov 11 09:33 |
| schestowitz | iophk: I put almost all your links in refs for future posts | Nov 11 09:42 |
| iophk | ok | Nov 11 09:42 |
| schestowitz | so pasting them basically assured their inclusion later on | Nov 11 09:42 |
| schestowitz | Might take days/week for related stuff to pile up and make up a story | Nov 11 09:42 |
| schestowitz | I have 20 drafts now | Nov 11 09:42 |
| schestowitz | I think i'll cross-post in tuxmachines for Linux-related posts only | Nov 11 09:42 |
| iophk | Sometimes it can take a few days for related sources to surface. | Nov 11 09:42 |
| schestowitz | and maybe vary the title depending on the audience | Nov 11 09:43 |
| iophk | Yes, keep tuxmachines as it is. | Nov 11 09:43 |
| iophk | The posts in Tuxmachines can be the top three linux-related links from the daily links. They don't need much summary. | Nov 11 09:54 |
| iophk | Or a little summary but not much analysis. | Nov 11 09:54 |
| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/piracy-release-group-has-been-spying-on-downloaders-for-9-months-131111/ | Nov 11 11:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Piracy Release Group Has Been Spying on Downloaders For 9 Months | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/g0inw ] | Nov 11 11:19 |
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| iophk | The questions remains, what was Windows doing in there at all? | Nov 11 13:13 |
| iophk | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2306151/kaspersky-claims-stuxnet-infected-a-russian-nuclear-plant | Nov 11 13:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theinquirer.net | Kaspersky claims Stuxnet infected a Russian nuclear plant- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/g0jeb ] | Nov 11 13:13 |
| iophk | M$ BBC for xbone http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-11/11/iplayer-xbox-one | Nov 11 13:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.co.uk | BBC to bring iPlayer to Xbox One 'in the future' (Wired UK) [ http://ur1.ca/g0jkf ] | Nov 11 13:35 |
| iophk | But not linux | Nov 11 13:36 |
| iophk | http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/install | Nov 11 13:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bbc.co.uk | BBC iPlayer - Install BBC iPlayer Downloads | Nov 11 13:36 |
| iophk | What was wrong with MPEG? | Nov 11 13:36 |
| iophk | Too many patents? | Nov 11 13:36 |
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| Sosumi | BBC = Bulsh!t Beyond Compreension | Nov 11 14:53 |
| Sosumi | so, nothing lost | Nov 11 14:54 |
| Sosumi | also for the folks in the UK, don't forget to pay your BBC tax | Nov 11 14:55 |
| Sosumi | lol | Nov 11 14:55 |
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| XFaCE | [09:53:53 AM]<Sosumi> BBC = Bulsh!t Beyond Compreension | Nov 11 15:30 |
| XFaCE | except for Dr. Who | Nov 11 15:30 |
| MinceR | Brown, Boveri & Cie | Nov 11 15:31 |
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| Sosumi | I really don't fancy dr. who | Nov 11 16:33 |
| Sosumi | http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/521246/20131111/international-space-station-infected-malware-russian-astronaut.htm | Nov 11 16:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.ibtimes.co.uk | International Space Station Infected With USB Stick Malware Carried on Board by Russian Astronauts - IBTimes UK [ http://ur1.ca/g0klq ] | Nov 11 16:33 |
| iophk | http://www.ibtimes.co.uk/articles/521246/20131111/international-space-station-infected-malware-russian-astronaut.htm | Nov 11 16:36 |
| iophk | "As these systems are based on Linux, they are open to infection." | Nov 11 16:36 |
| iophk | Interesting that the OS is named. | Nov 11 16:36 |
| iophk | I thought it was infection that caused them to move to Linux. | Nov 11 16:37 |
| Sosumi | you noticed | Nov 11 16:45 |
| Sosumi | the rethoric is made as if linux is the problem | Nov 11 16:45 |
| Sosumi | maybe if it was based on ios it'd be safer | Nov 11 16:46 |
| Sosumi | or on DOS, who knows | Nov 11 16:46 |
| Sosumi | I know it, maybe if it was based on vista 8.1 | Nov 11 16:47 |
| Sosumi | if it was based on vista 8.1 the astronauts'd be able to play solitaire while up there in their stay | Nov 11 16:49 |
| MinceR | the whole thing is fishy | Nov 11 16:50 |
| Sosumi | it's like I said, the article is done as if linux was the problem | Nov 11 16:50 |
| iophk | I would think that the PR people for all the major distros would be all over that article correcting it and demanding a retraction. | Nov 11 16:50 |
| MinceR | if they could afford armies of lawyers | Nov 11 16:51 |
| iophk | PR people not lawyers | Nov 11 16:51 |
| iophk | they have marketing people | Nov 11 16:51 |
| MinceR | there's not much force behind a demand if they can't threaten with lawsuits, is there? | Nov 11 16:51 |
| Sosumi | yep, they do | Nov 11 16:51 |
| Sosumi | but you really never see any contrapropaganda from them | Nov 11 16:52 |
| iophk | no need to jump right to threats of lawsuits | Nov 11 16:52 |
| Sosumi | it's usually just promotion | Nov 11 16:52 |
| iophk | yeah some contrapropaganda is needed | Nov 11 16:52 |
| Sosumi | well, it's actually "counterpropaganda" | Nov 11 16:53 |
| iophk | well it's needed regardless of name. :) | Nov 11 16:53 |
| Sosumi | the former is how it's written in portuguese | Nov 11 16:53 |
| Sosumi | yep | Nov 11 16:53 |
| Sosumi | let's all go make a world war two linux company | Nov 11 16:54 |
| Sosumi | I can be FDR | Nov 11 16:54 |
| Sosumi | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WyB7dYexozc | Nov 11 16:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Steve Jobs plays FDR in Apple internal sales video (1984) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g0kqb ] | Nov 11 16:56 |
| Sosumi | well it's a classic | Nov 11 16:57 |
| Sosumi | lawl | Nov 11 16:57 |
| iophk | so were the astronauts mounting and executing binaries? | Nov 11 16:57 |
| iophk | No distro autoexecs that I've heard of. | Nov 11 16:57 |
| Sosumi | they didn't say | Nov 11 16:57 |
| Sosumi | you know, "good" journalism never tells the details | Nov 11 16:58 |
| iophk | I think there might be something worth investigating in that article. They probably have their "facts" mixed up. | Nov 11 16:58 |
| iophk | But companies like Red Hat and Canonical have a bit to lose of their reputation if that goes uncorrected for too many hours. | Nov 11 16:59 |
| iophk | That translates to money. | Nov 11 16:59 |
| Sosumi | indeed | Nov 11 17:00 |
| schestowitz | http://fossforce.com/2013/11/chrome-clamps-bitcoin-vulnerability/ | Nov 11 17:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fossforce.com | Chrome Clamps Down, Bitcoin Vulnerability & More… - FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/g0d82 ] | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | First PJ calls it quits and now Susan. Dont get me wrong, I really admire Roy’s work even though I dont agree with all he says. But Tuxmachines and Groklaw were with Techrights my 3 must go to site. I cant figure out how Roy has a job, a wife and still get around to doing what he doee (his links page is simpy the best. the days he releases him links of the week, I have enough free software, open source, linux, unix, freedom, rights | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | links to last me a week.) so I think running a site like Tuxmachines on top will prove too much. | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Anyways, its better having 3 writers than 1 left. | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | I guess its good for you unintentionally and like Carla Shroeder did a few years ago, you are on the periphery of my regular writers I make sure to visit. People like Glyn Moody and Matt Hartley and even Sam Varghese and SJVN sometimes. | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | As for Bubuntu, for a group that has been all about community building and all that crowd control stuff, they really have seemed over the past 2 yrs to go out of their way to antagonize people in how they approach things. Its almost as if they were doing it on purpose, which honestly would be less embarassing than being told that they lack complete understanding how to work with the myriads of different communities of FLOSS. | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | I think the fact they picked on Micah from the freaking EFF is simply priceless. As much as that previous episode where the leader supremo came out with his classic “haters are gonna hate.” attack filled with juvenile name calling. | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Like someone mentioned on G+, the choice of the word canonical for a FLOSS company name is making more and more sense nowadays than it did when the company was created. | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | The Forbes article offers no proof or explanation, not even a bogus attempt at explaining how they got their numbers. | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Considering that the Microsoft racketeering/extortion business is protected by NDA’s between MS and the various extorted parties, the author would have to have had access to all these protected agreements. At best it was an extrapolation based on finding out about on NDA which is very likely. | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Its amazing how this extortion business is considered a legitimiate business practice. Then again the mafia works the exact same (it would be a shame something happens to your business/family) and they are revered in myriads of TV series and movies. | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | Not sure why anyone thought SteamOS guys would use Ubuntu (instead of Debian) since they have specific needs for their OS and none for many of the userland services. | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | The beauty on GNU-Linux is that everything outside the kernel is interchangeable. I still find the number of Steam clients reported worldwide much higher than I thought there were. | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | SteamOS will BE the biggest Linux distro around. | Nov 11 17:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 11 17:02 |
| Sosumi | I really don't trust valve | Nov 11 17:05 |
| MinceR | neither do i | Nov 11 17:06 |
| Sosumi | steam outside of colectting all the info about the computer | Nov 11 17:06 |
| MinceR | but it can still be a boost for GNU/Linux | Nov 11 17:06 |
| Sosumi | their client can be used to hyjack the computer | Nov 11 17:06 |
| Sosumi | well, if it's the same publicity as moronical and ubuntu gets | Nov 11 17:07 |
| Sosumi | not even worth it | Nov 11 17:08 |
| Sosumi | plus I doubt steam os will be designed as full fledged OS | Nov 11 17:08 |
| Sosumi | it'll probably just be steam big picture and nothing more | Nov 11 17:08 |
| Sosumi | and I don't blizzard either | Nov 11 17:09 |
| Sosumi | and their warden anticheat | Nov 11 17:10 |
| Sosumi | just like I don't trust punkbuster | Nov 11 17:10 |
| Sosumi | all those can be snooping and attack vectors | Nov 11 17:10 |
| MinceR | if it brings more games to GNU/Linux, that could generate some network effects | Nov 11 17:19 |
| iophk | http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/155392-international-space-station-switches-from-windows-to-linux-for-improved-reliability | Nov 11 17:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.extremetech.com | International Space Station switches from Windows to Linux, for improved reliability | ExtremeTech [ http://ur1.ca/drxhh ] | Nov 11 17:20 |
| iophk | old | Nov 11 17:20 |
| iophk | "Switching to Linux will essentially immunize the ISS against future infections." | Nov 11 17:20 |
| Sosumi | yep | Nov 11 17:21 |
| iophk | So the Linux Foundation or someone (Debian?) ought to have some review about how well this has turned out and made the station immune. | Nov 11 17:21 |
| Sosumi | probably some reporter's ass needs to meet the boot | Nov 11 17:22 |
| iophk | and an editor | Nov 11 17:22 |
| iophk | it got past the editors, probably on purpose | Nov 11 17:22 |
| iophk | editors often use bait headlines anyway | Nov 11 17:24 |
| iophk | http://phys.org/news/2013-05-international-space-station-laptop-migration.html | Nov 11 17:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | phys.org | International Space Station making laptop migration from Windows XP to Debian 6 [ http://ur1.ca/du3pn ] | Nov 11 17:27 |
| iophk | old, too | Nov 11 17:27 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> @Senficon Microsoft rep Beltz: Open Source is less safe | Nov 11 17:31 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> retweeted by than „controlled software“ cause bad guys can | Nov 11 17:31 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> @glynmoody see the source code! #EPInquiry | Nov 11 17:31 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/g0kwm | Nov 11 17:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Senficon: Microsoft rep Beltz: Open Source is less safe than „controlled software“ cause bad guys can see the source code! #EPInquiry | Nov 11 17:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | (Re-tweeted by glynmoody) | Nov 11 17:31 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> @matildasisatto #EPInquiry is turning into a farce... The | Nov 11 17:32 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> retweeted by companies on the podium have their tongues so | Nov 11 17:32 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> @glynmoody tied that they are turning blue... | Nov 11 17:32 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/g0kwq | Nov 11 17:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @matildasisatto: #EPInquiry is turning into a farce... The companies on the podium have their tongues so tied that they are turning blue... | Nov 11 17:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | (Re-tweeted by glynmoody) | Nov 11 17:32 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> @matildasisatto #EPInquiry Microsoft: If there was a back door, | Nov 11 17:32 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> retweeted by I could not talk about it as I would be under a | Nov 11 17:32 |
| schestowitz | [17:29] <s-534> @glynmoody legal security order not to. | Nov 11 17:32 |
| Sosumi | lol micro$haft | Nov 11 17:50 |
| Sosumi | but talking about backdoors | Nov 11 17:51 |
| Sosumi | what if x86 chips have one? and everytime single time a program compiled on the platform puts adds a backdoor or some explotable line to the code? | Nov 11 17:53 |
| Sosumi | well, to support the suspicion of a cabal at play we see that there aren't any choices now | Nov 11 17:54 |
| Sosumi | no more power pc | Nov 11 17:54 |
| Sosumi | no more sparc | Nov 11 17:54 |
| Sosumi | unless you get them on servers | Nov 11 17:54 |
| Sosumi | rack mountable servers | Nov 11 17:54 |
| Sosumi | ibm powerstations just like the powermac got killed in 2006 | Nov 11 17:55 |
| Sosumi | and oracle isn't bringing sparcstations back anytime soon | Nov 11 17:55 |
| Sosumi | a backdoor could be built in the southbridge too, so who knows | Nov 11 17:57 |
| Sosumi | and even if that was the case and the user applied an airgap | Nov 11 17:59 |
| Sosumi | what about those dirty emissions that could be picked up by someone doing signals on the electricity wire | Nov 11 17:59 |
| Sosumi | paranoia :) | Nov 11 18:00 |
| Sosumi | faraday cage and an off the grid power suply = win | Nov 11 18:01 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3261197 | Nov 11 18:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @darth_azrael@diasp.org: And this was the reason for the #2ndAmendment | Nov 11 18:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by darth_azrael@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_c1a900dbc72f7ede443a.jpg | Nov 11 18:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by darth_azrael@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_c1a900dbc72f7ede443a.jpg | Nov 11 18:01 |
| schestowitz | "No, at the time the vast majority of the people living in the thirteen British colonies considered themselves British and were British citizens. There were native tribes here of course before European colonization but that had nothing to do with the Revolution of 1776. This was a group of people separating from what they considered their home country due to a variety of grievances (taxation without representation, troops being | Nov 11 18:02 |
| schestowitz | quartered in private homes, the attempted seizure of weapons among others). There was not an existing American government that was 'occupied' by the British government. It was always part of the British government. It is much more comparable to the American civil war (only slavery was involved and the South failed)." | Nov 11 18:02 |
| schestowitz | Interesting insight. Well, I'm all for change in the US, so I'm hardly the opposition here. | Nov 11 18:02 |
| Sosumi | it's the brightish empire | Nov 11 18:03 |
| Sosumi | because the sun never sets on british empire | Nov 11 18:03 |
| Sosumi | john dee coined that term | Nov 11 18:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265636 | Nov 11 18:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/canonical-abused-trademark-law-to-target-a-site-critical-of-ubuntu-privacy/ #ubuntu #canonical #privacy | Nov 11 18:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g01vv ] | Nov 11 18:03 |
| schestowitz | ';Jesse, yes. The domain name is a different thing. What I meant was, they did not complain about the usage of the word Ubuntu on the website. That is a legal use of a trade mark. The domain name is sort of a ‘product‘ name and can therefore not use the trade mark without permission. Anyway, I would be grateful if you would not allege that I am ‘unable to read the email’. If something is not clear from the context, just ask. | Nov 11 18:03 |
| schestowitz | Thank you." | Nov 11 18:03 |
| Sosumi | and it still holds it's value today | Nov 11 18:03 |
| schestowitz | [18:01] <s-534> @glynmoody Journalists Reportedly Banned From Smartphone | Nov 11 18:04 |
| schestowitz | [18:01] <s-534> Photography At Olympics In Russia - | Nov 11 18:04 |
| schestowitz | [18:01] <s-534> http://t.co/Ty7obwpDMI shoudl be fun to watch | Nov 11 18:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techcrunch.com | Journalists Reportedly Banned From Smartphone Photography At Olympics In Russia | TechCrunch | Nov 11 18:04 |
| schestowitz | [18:01] <s-534> this clash | Nov 11 18:04 |
| Sosumi | they can go photograph putin making obozo his biatch | Nov 11 18:05 |
| Sosumi | that was a reference to john romero and daikatana | Nov 11 18:05 |
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| fewt | \o | Nov 11 18:07 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265676 | Nov 11 18:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When it Comes to Trademarks, Canonical is Even Worse Than Novell http://techrights.org/2013/11/08/trademarks-canonical/ #ubuntu #canonical | Nov 11 18:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | When it Comes to Trademarks, Canonical is Even Worse Than Novell | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g05th ] | Nov 11 18:09 |
| schestowitz | "See what I mean?" | Nov 11 18:09 |
| fewt | I found a couple of Ubuntu fanboys on muktware still defending Canonical after Mark said Canonical was wrong. It filled me with lols. | Nov 11 18:10 |
| Sosumi | lol moronical | Nov 11 18:10 |
| Sosumi | and it's morons | Nov 11 18:10 |
| XFaCE | fewt: He hasn't mastered the reality distortion field yet | Nov 11 18:32 |
| fewt | + | Nov 11 18:32 |
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| sebsebseb | iophk: Open Suse | Nov 11 18:35 |
| iophk | :P | Nov 11 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: eve the Ubuntu guy as part of his propsal has done Open Suse KDE | Nov 11 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | not Mageia anything | Nov 11 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | maybe he just copied the oleder guy I don't know | Nov 11 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think Magiea is getting out voted though | Nov 11 18:36 |
| iophk | Should talk with him. | Nov 11 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I guess I don't have friends there | Nov 11 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | any of them | Nov 11 18:36 |
| iophk | Find out for sure. | Nov 11 18:36 |
| iophk | "build bridges" as the phrase was. | Nov 11 18:36 |
| iophk | Any work with SCADA at all? | Nov 11 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | what's that? | Nov 11 18:37 |
| iophk | industrial control | Nov 11 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe I am not liked by them as such as well | Nov 11 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: after disagreeing with having a vote and stuff ike that | Nov 11 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | and here's why I disageed | Nov 11 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | since I had a feeling things would be like this and yep | Nov 11 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: its not a fair vote either | Nov 11 18:39 |
| iophk | no it's not | Nov 11 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | someone hsoud be bought in from outside to be part of the voting I think | Nov 11 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: everyone has their own personal prefered distro's out of the ones we had | Nov 11 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | even those who say they don't really care what distro is used | Nov 11 18:40 |
| iophk | voting is usually proposed when the outcome is know in advance and favors those proposing the vote... | Nov 11 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: everyone wants thier own distro | Nov 11 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | evne thoe who say they don't really care what distro is used | Nov 11 18:40 |
| iophk | yeah but they should be able to agree on the DE's first. | Nov 11 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | and event co ordnater is a Mint guy as well really, he wanted Mint all along for hte event | Nov 11 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | yes he may have not sid let's have Fedora a distro he uses | Nov 11 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | ,bt he wants Mint | Nov 11 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think the De's have been sort of agred already | Nov 11 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | Cinnamon and KDE | Nov 11 18:41 |
| iophk | Mint is just a copy of ubuntu with nasty proprietary bits added and mono | Nov 11 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I know | Nov 11 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | and Cinnamon and Mate by default | Nov 11 18:41 |
| iophk | what about XFCE? | Nov 11 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | there's the idea of having something for really old computers | Nov 11 18:42 |
| fewt | sebsebseb: everyone should create their own distro | Nov 11 18:42 |
| iophk | Cinnamon and Mate ar kind of fringe. | Nov 11 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | I guess that may be sme OPen Suse based thing with XFCE maybe | Nov 11 18:42 |
| fewt | Cinnamon and MATE are definitely fringe | Nov 11 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | oh fewt is in here | Nov 11 18:42 |
| *fewt looks around | Nov 11 18:42 | |
| fewt | no he isn't | Nov 11 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | fewt: I am meant to be helping orgaies an event for next March | Nov 11 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | I am thinking about quiting maybe | Nov 11 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | or saying something | Nov 11 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe it isn't so bad, if only certan distros are used o the demonostratio computers and the remasters, if well can have a tale with genrea Liux sutff | Nov 11 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | put some Fedora CD's on there I am thinking | Nov 11 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | and Mageia if it loses | Nov 11 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | and pens for distr's and you know | Nov 11 18:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/renepieters/status/399970292875149312 | Nov 11 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: a free swag table | Nov 11 18:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @renepieters: Interessant cloudproject: host je spullen zelf. Op een Rasperry Pi. http://t.co/lCqX7vDlJ7 via @schestowitz en @meneer | Nov 11 18:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> venturebeat.com | This 23-year-old’s open-source project, a server running on Raspberry Pi, gives the middle finger to Google | VentureBeat | Nov 11 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: Mageia is getting rejected for Open SUse, for htis event :( | Nov 11 18:44 |
| schestowitz | hi fewt, wb | Nov 11 18:44 |
| fewt | hi schestowitz, thanks | Nov 11 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: the vote hasn't even happended properly yet, but I can see from the proposed stuff etc | Nov 11 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | and how everyone wants their own distor | Nov 11 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: this vote is rubbish | Nov 11 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe I shoud just well get out voted and then say something after | Nov 11 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | how I had a feeling things would be like that, and that's why I didn't want the vote in the first place | Nov 11 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | since it wan't a fair vote etc | Nov 11 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe then I say to the, so uhmm, who actsaly wants me to stil help out with this event and why? | Nov 11 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | or Uh I don't know | Nov 11 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think if I can have a load of Mageia CD's on a tablbe soe where, for those that want it, that isn't too bad then | Nov 11 18:46 |
| iophk | That might be ok | Nov 11 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | event co ordinater has an idea too get a load of old magazine or whatever Linux Format will give us | Nov 11 18:46 |
| iophk | better if you could also show it | Nov 11 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | for a waiting area | Nov 11 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well I guess I can stil o my own netbook at least | Nov 11 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Nov 11 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | I was thinking, it's ok to have Fedora and Magiea CD's and offial Ubuntu and such some where | Nov 11 18:46 |
| iophk | again, what about the computers. That is one of the first things to settle, then the DEs | Nov 11 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: at least three computers | Nov 11 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | only be a few | Nov 11 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | not that many | Nov 11 18:47 |
| iophk | Three is not much for a whole room | Nov 11 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: it's quite a small room | Nov 11 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | actualy | Nov 11 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: can fit about 24 people in it at once | Nov 11 18:48 |
| iophk | oh | Nov 11 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | they gone with a much smaller room, than what we lookd at etc | Nov 11 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | ,because the smaller room is free | Nov 11 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | and also central | Nov 11 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | slap bang in the centre of the city | Nov 11 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | in a pub cafe etc, type buidig with acinema etc a w | Nov 11 18:49 |
| iophk | I'd see if you could get 5 or 6 computers to demo | Nov 11 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | as wlel, that like everyone knows | Nov 11 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think an probaby get about 5 yeah | Nov 11 18:49 |
| iophk | That should be decided soon. | Nov 11 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I did end the eail about that | Nov 11 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | he replied | Nov 11 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | sounds ike ony about 3 or so | Nov 11 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: sounds ike he'll find out more once distors' are cofired etc | Nov 11 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | some stuff he is doing the wrong way rund I think in a wayy | Nov 11 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: also instead of just beig so focussed on getting a venue in the first place andsuch | Nov 11 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | I think we shoud have done the technial decisions proery early on | Nov 11 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | instead of just having a genreal idea of what people wante,d and then this stupid vote stuff now | Nov 11 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so basically everone thinks, oh my thing wil probably be in and then moeone else joins us and wants hi thing as wlel | Nov 11 18:51 |
| sebsebseb | and then we get four distro's and now this uh | Nov 11 18:51 |
| sebsebseb | when the idea from the begining was to ony have 2 or 3 | Nov 11 18:51 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: now he wants Grub 2 to have a customied theme for the event as well if possible | Nov 11 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: a bit ike your suggesiton for a background for the event in the demo's I think | Nov 11 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well jjust over a week to go untill that thing | Nov 11 18:54 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: still need to put my propsal into the document, but yeah | Nov 11 18:54 |
| iophk | Grub? distracted by the wrong things. There is little return on the effort. | Nov 11 18:56 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: wel he had been playing around with Grub 2 themes on Sunday or whatever he siad | Nov 11 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: not sure quite how I am going to react, if I go to that meeting on the Tuesdya | Nov 11 18:58 |
| sebsebseb | and it does indeed get out voted as I am expecting | Nov 11 18:58 |
| iophk | A common desktop image might be ok. Helps the demo machines look similar and brings focus to the DE itself maybe. Though it is really hard to explain the benefits of KDE to people that have never customized their DE. | Nov 11 18:58 |
| iophk | before. | Nov 11 18:58 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I know what I might have done a few years ago, when quite a bit younger and I didn't get my way, when something happended that I realy wanted to do at the time, since I was so passionate about it, and had gone to the city too do that, but was told I coudn't, since I kept on being late | Nov 11 18:59 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: it won't be that | Nov 11 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | it's just the choosen diistro remasterd | Nov 11 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I guess even if I don't quite get my way, but it brings some people into the Linux User Group meeting | Nov 11 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | that's good | Nov 11 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: can try and get htem to go Mageia after the event if so as well :d | Nov 11 19:02 |
| iophk | You could have all 6 stations with KDE with different configurations to look and feel quite different. | Nov 11 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: nice idea, but nope they won't have that | Nov 11 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | since they want Cinnamon | Nov 11 19:02 |
| iophk | even fewt agrees that Cinnamon is fringe | Nov 11 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | what do you mean by that? | Nov 11 19:02 |
| fewt | It's value add to Mint, but fringe in that it's limited to Mint. | Nov 11 19:03 |
| iophk | It's not a mainstream DE | Nov 11 19:03 |
| fewt | ^ | Nov 11 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | well Magiea 4 will get it into the rep's as an option | Nov 11 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah exactly | Nov 11 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | it's not really that main stremae | Nov 11 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I am dealin with people who want to convert Windows uesrs to Linux | Nov 11 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | and so want similar to WIndows DE's | Nov 11 19:04 |
| fewt | well, even then Clem has said it's designed for Mint | Nov 11 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | they like Cinnamon at least two of them a ot | Nov 11 19:04 |
| iophk | If you stick to the big DEs then it matters a little less which distro is demoed. | Nov 11 19:04 |
| fewt | and he doesn't seem to care about it on other distros | Nov 11 19:04 |
| fewt | which isn't bad | Nov 11 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | fewt: where has he said that? | Nov 11 19:04 |
| fewt | but it limits its usefulness | Nov 11 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | seems Mint is in fro this event | Nov 11 19:04 |
| iophk | If they want similar to Windows the XFCE is suppose to be good for that. | Nov 11 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | and Open Suse uh | Nov 11 19:04 |
| fewt | on the internet sebsebseb :P | Nov 11 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | bye bye Mageia and Ubuntu | Nov 11 19:04 |
| fewt | I'll have to google it | Nov 11 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | bye ye Ubuntu since most of them don't like Uinity | Nov 11 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think XFCE might get used in the thing for really old computers I don't know | Nov 11 19:05 |
| iophk | For really old you want lighter weight. LXDE | Nov 11 19:05 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't think they have given any of that much thought, and will go with Open Suse guy's own mae custom thing | Nov 11 19:06 |
| iophk | I haven't asked for a while, but what about brochures? | Nov 11 19:06 |
| sebsebseb | for old PC's | Nov 11 19:06 |
| sebsebseb | that will of course be based on Open SUse in that case I expect | Nov 11 19:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: brouchers for what, explaining about distros or interfaces, I tink that's all been suggeted to them as well I don't remember | Nov 11 19:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I am feeing like this is "their" event | Nov 11 19:07 |
| sebsebseb | and not "my" event already | Nov 11 19:07 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and the I have the optio of being ike I don't care, so what about LIux going more main strame | Nov 11 19:07 |
| sebsebseb | so what about distor's they are al similar | Nov 11 19:07 |
| sebsebseb | there's a guy like this from our LUG group who's quite knowledagble | Nov 11 19:07 |
| fewt | Just use Windows, geez! | Nov 11 19:07 |
| *fewt is kidding | Nov 11 19:08 | |
| sebsebseb | I could be ike him, and so not hep with the event anymore in that case to, well he neer heped in the first place, since he oesn't care about getting ore users | Nov 11 19:08 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: or I could be ike, yeah that's ashame Magiea got voted out and Ubuntu, but peole running | Nov 11 19:08 |
| sebsebseb | Open Suse and Mint is still better than WIndows really eseialy XP once it's unsupported | Nov 11 19:08 |
| sebsebseb | espeicaly XP above | Nov 11 19:08 |
| iophk | Those are the worst distros though. :( | Nov 11 19:08 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I Think quite a few of them have the attitude that distro's don't matter that much | Nov 11 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yet they stlll want hteir own choosen ones out of our options | Nov 11 19:09 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: indeed Mint is quite pointless now, except for it having CInnamon and Mate by defualt | Nov 11 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | ,but those are coing to more other distors now | Nov 11 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | Mint was mainly for those that found it hard to install codecs ito Ubuntu in like 2006 | Nov 11 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | and then more recetly it seems to be mainly for the Unity dislikers/haers | Nov 11 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | haters | Nov 11 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | and I Would like Ubuntu to be there for Uity, so can find out if Canonical were right or not | Nov 11 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | about non technial users likeing it or not | Nov 11 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | apparnatly quite a few non technial users don't like it, that used GNOME 2 before | Nov 11 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: really Linux is meant to replace Unix and yeah | Nov 11 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | just happens to be goodenough to use instead of Wndows for most stuff foryears, that's all | Nov 11 19:12 |
| fewt | I'm still struggling to use GNOME 2 | Nov 11 19:12 |
| fewt | w/ CentOS | Nov 11 19:12 |
| fewt | I'll probably shift to Arch or another distribution soon. | Nov 11 19:13 |
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| fewt | Probably have to bite the GNOME 3 bullet too | Nov 11 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | fewt: GNOME Shell isn't that bad really | Nov 11 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | not now | Nov 11 19:13 |
| fewt | yeah, I've heard it's more usable now | Nov 11 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | fewt: GNOM3 3 make that with the apps as well | Nov 11 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | I always liked it | Nov 11 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | ,but had issues trying to run it at first | Nov 11 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | annoyingy for a year or two, so I was stuck with a old GNOEM preview on top of GNOME 2 | Nov 11 19:14 |
| sebsebseb | fewt: Do you think Ubuntu and Mint are the worst distros? | Nov 11 19:15 |
| sebsebseb | and guess Ubuntu to maybe? | Nov 11 19:15 |
| fewt | I don't have an opinion of Mint | Nov 11 19:16 |
| sebsebseb | oh? | Nov 11 19:16 |
| fewt | or Ubuntu for that matter | Nov 11 19:16 |
| sebsebseb | what about for Open Suse then? | Nov 11 19:17 |
| fewt | I don't give them enough of a thought to care about them. | Nov 11 19:17 |
| fewt | same with openSUSE | Nov 11 19:17 |
| fewt | or most all distros these days | Nov 11 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | ok what about Cinnamon | Nov 11 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | you dont like Cinnamon? | Nov 11 19:17 |
| fewt | don't care about it | Nov 11 19:18 |
| fewt | I neither like nor dislike | Nov 11 19:18 |
| Sosumi | kde? | Nov 11 19:18 |
| fewt | I don't like KDE | Nov 11 19:18 |
| Sosumi | enlightnment? | Nov 11 19:18 |
| fewt | It's too fat | Nov 11 19:18 |
| fewt | too ancient | Nov 11 19:19 |
| fewt | :P | Nov 11 19:19 |
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| Sosumi | you're calling me old :( | Nov 11 19:19 |
| fewt | naah | Nov 11 19:19 |
| Sosumi | I kid :P | Nov 11 19:19 |
| fewt | :) | Nov 11 19:19 |
| MinceR | what DEs count as "major"? kde, gnome, unity? | Nov 11 19:27 |
| Sosumi | I think that only ubuntu uses unity as default | Nov 11 19:29 |
| fewt | MinceR: twm | Nov 11 19:29 |
| MinceR | twm is not a DE | Nov 11 19:29 |
| fewt | that makes it more major | Nov 11 19:30 |
| Sosumi | but in terms of fully featured | Nov 11 19:30 |
| Sosumi | kde wins | Nov 11 19:30 |
| fewt | MinceR: I know TWM is a WM and not a DE. :P | Nov 11 19:30 |
| MinceR | all three of those suck, imo | Nov 11 19:31 |
| fewt | I agree, TWM, WM, and DE all suck | Nov 11 19:31 |
| fewt | lmao | Nov 11 19:31 |
| fewt | I don't like KDE, GNOME, or Unity very much | Nov 11 19:31 |
| Sosumi | we don't need DEs nor X or wayland | Nov 11 19:31 |
| Sosumi | bash all the way | Nov 11 19:32 |
| fewt | but I can't really fairly have an opinion since I haven't used them in a while. | Nov 11 19:32 |
| fewt | Sosumi: WindowMaker | Nov 11 19:32 |
| Sosumi | windowmaker........ | Nov 11 19:32 |
| Sosumi | never had heard of it | Nov 11 19:34 |
| Sosumi | and it looks just like nextstep | Nov 11 19:34 |
| Sosumi | I guess that I'm poisoned to give it a try | Nov 11 19:35 |
| MinceR | afaik it's the wm of afterstep or gnustep | Nov 11 19:36 |
| fewt | ^ | Nov 11 19:36 |
| fewt | gnustep | Nov 11 19:36 |
| fewt | also: sawfish | Nov 11 19:36 |
| fewt | (for those who have been around a while) hah | Nov 11 19:36 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 11 19:38 |
| fewt | I just run explorer.exe in WINE | Nov 11 19:38 |
| fewt | and collect my M$ paycheck | Nov 11 19:38 |
| Sosumi | I knew gnustep as an efford to bring objective c to gnu/linux | Nov 11 19:38 |
| fewt | I was accused of that again a few days ago lol | Nov 11 19:39 |
| Sosumi | lol | Nov 11 19:39 |
| fewt | It had been a while since someone accused me of being a Microsoft employee | Nov 11 19:39 |
| fewt | really took me back to the good old days | Nov 11 19:39 |
| fewt | lol | Nov 11 19:39 |
| Sosumi | nothing wrong with being a M$ employee | Nov 11 19:40 |
| Sosumi | you can be an insider and blow the whistle on stuff | Nov 11 19:40 |
| fewt | lol except that I'm not :) | Nov 11 19:41 |
| Sosumi | well, I'm not either | Nov 11 19:41 |
| Sosumi | but I don't discard the possibility of infiltration if the opurtunity arises | Nov 11 19:42 |
| fewt | oh sure | Nov 11 19:42 |
| Sosumi | probably to confirm what is already known | Nov 11 19:44 |
| Sosumi | backdoors, etc | Nov 11 19:45 |
| Sosumi | lousy code | Nov 11 19:45 |
| fewt | number of Canonical employees on the books | Nov 11 19:50 |
| fewt | I mean! | Nov 11 19:50 |
| iophk | http://techrights.org/2013/05/15/ubuntu-and-microsoft-veteran/ | Nov 11 19:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | Man From Microsoft Runs the Ubuntu Project Now | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/dv9od ] | Nov 11 19:51 |
| Sosumi | infiltrate moronical? | Nov 11 19:51 |
| iophk | happened | Nov 11 19:51 |
| Sosumi | yeah | Nov 11 19:51 |
| Sosumi | it did | Nov 11 19:51 |
| iophk | might explain some of the decisions and attitudes | Nov 11 19:51 |
| Sosumi | but it was also allowed to happen by shutleworm | Nov 11 19:52 |
| Sosumi | I actually think that ubuntu was from the beggining a hook for M$ to push crap like Mono into gnu/linux | Nov 11 19:53 |
| fewt | iophk: it definitely does | Nov 11 19:53 |
| fewt | I've never had an issue with Mono historically but after the patent attack on Android that's changed. | Nov 11 19:53 |
| Sosumi | and try to fragment the community | Nov 11 19:53 |
| Sosumi | like on the Mir vs wayland | Nov 11 19:54 |
| iophk | With Mir vs Wayland, it is more about how they are interacting (or not) than anything else | Nov 11 19:55 |
| iophk | they've explained their position poorly | Nov 11 19:55 |
| Sosumi | I kind of made a mistake back there | Nov 11 20:05 |
| Sosumi | it wasn't the ibm powerstation the IBM killed | Nov 11 20:05 |
| Sosumi | it was the intellistation | Nov 11 20:06 |
| Sosumi | last models used the same ppc 970 that was used on the powermac | Nov 11 20:07 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3277200 | Nov 11 20:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: This 23-year-old’s open-source project, a server running on Raspberry Pi, gives the middle finger to Google http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/10/arkos-secure-google-alternative/ | Nov 11 20:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> venturebeat.com | This 23-year-old’s open-source project, a server running on Raspberry Pi, gives the middle finger to Google | VentureBeat [ http://ur1.ca/g0fnr ] | Nov 11 20:24 |
| schestowitz | "Here's the projects D* account cznweb@joindiaspora.com https://joindiaspora.com/people/f4aefef1c70c5a0a " | Nov 11 20:24 |
| schestowitz | iophk: didn't they start with wayland? | Nov 11 20:25 |
| iophk | yes | Nov 11 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Fedora would not have much issue with that | Nov 11 20:25 |
| iophk | then hopped off | Nov 11 20:25 |
| schestowitz | But then they decided to go it alone | Nov 11 20:25 |
| schestowitz | Watyland doesn't bother me much and neither does Mir | Nov 11 20:26 |
| schestowitz | But then again, I'm not Martin and i'm not the one having to waste my life because of these splots | Nov 11 20:27 |
| schestowitz | *splits | Nov 11 20:27 |
| schestowitz | Canonical has much bigger mistakes (or 'mistakes') worth addressing | Nov 11 20:27 |
| schestowitz | I actually defended Mir the other day (without naming it) on the ground that it's just more free code you're not obliged to use but can | Nov 11 20:28 |
| schestowitz | That;'s not the same as a company like Novell bringing patent heat from Microsoft to Red Hat and Canonical, which is divisive in another way. And patent agreements don't extend to communities like GPLv3+ requires | Nov 11 20:29 |
| iophk | gtg | Nov 11 20:36 |
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| Sosumi | and it's going despite the rethoric of the nsa spying | Nov 11 20:51 |
| Sosumi | ofc "we" knew that EU governments like france for example were in cahoots with the US and UK | Nov 11 20:51 |
| Sosumi | the free exploitation treaty seems to be going on | Nov 11 20:52 |
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| Sosumi | also I've been looking at alex jones as of late | Nov 11 20:58 |
| Sosumi | and his operation as turned into a kind of litter | Nov 11 20:59 |
| Sosumi | no really good or actually usefull info after he kicked Tarpley out of there | Nov 11 21:00 |
| Sosumi | for not supporting mr derregulation Ron Paul | Nov 11 21:00 |
| Sosumi | and last sunday, supporting the jon birch society?? | Nov 11 21:01 |
| Sosumi | totally laughable | Nov 11 21:01 |
| Sosumi | and was the only guy adressing the derivatives trade | Nov 11 21:10 |
| Sosumi | jonesi other guests were all crap and about putting folks walking around in circles | Nov 11 21:10 |
| Sosumi | pretty much like those brand X truthers around on the internet | Nov 11 21:11 |
| Sosumi | actually, alex jones outside of a few decent guests like the Gunderson guy from Fairewinds (fukushima) and wayne madsen | Nov 11 21:15 |
| Sosumi | ho, well and celente | Nov 11 21:15 |
| Sosumi | pretty much everything else is two steps below excrement | Nov 11 21:15 |
| Sosumi | and can actually be considered disinfo | Nov 11 21:16 |
| Sosumi | even them one must be aware of hellen caldicot, which for some reason comes attached to gunderson | Nov 11 21:16 |
| Sosumi | according to her we'd be living in pre-industrial revolution | Nov 11 21:17 |
| Sosumi | dam neo-malthusian | Nov 11 21:17 |
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| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/samsung-nokia-say-they-dont-know-how-to-track-a-powered-down-phone/ | Nov 11 21:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Samsung, Nokia say they don’t know how to track a powered-down phone | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g0mhj ] | Nov 11 21:36 |
| MinceR | i can find my phone even if it's turned off | Nov 11 21:39 |
| MinceR | using my eyes | Nov 11 21:39 |
| MinceR | also, i suspect that the malware could merely fake powering down | Nov 11 21:40 |
| MinceR | and keep the radio going | Nov 11 21:40 |
| Sosumi | exactly | Nov 11 21:40 |
| Sosumi | that's why the battery should be taken | Nov 11 21:40 |
| Sosumi | but no mention to backdoors | Nov 11 21:40 |
| MinceR | http://xkcd.com/1289/ | Nov 11 21:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | xkcd.com | xkcd: Simple Answers | Nov 11 21:48 |
| Sosumi | so I got a hypePhone 5 | Nov 11 21:54 |
| Sosumi | and installed linux on it | Nov 11 21:54 |
| Sosumi | but since I don't have the touchscreen driver | Nov 11 21:54 |
| Sosumi | I ssh into it from my nokia communicator | Nov 11 21:54 |
| Sosumi | epic win | Nov 11 21:54 |
| Sosumi | I was joking ofc :) | Nov 11 21:55 |
| MinceR | yeah, if you had a nokia communicator, you'd have no use for a hypePhone :> | Nov 11 21:59 |
| Sosumi | I got the 2008 model | Nov 11 22:00 |
| Sosumi | but it's kind of getting wasted | Nov 11 22:00 |
| MinceR | e90? | Nov 11 22:01 |
| Sosumi | yeah | Nov 11 22:01 |
| Sosumi | getting wasted no, it's actually wasted | Nov 11 22:10 |
| Sosumi | and the hinge doesn't have any strenght anymore | Nov 11 22:10 |
| Sosumi | at this point I'm just holding for the nexus 5 to be available | Nov 11 22:11 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 11 22:11 |
| Sosumi | but since I don't normally use a cellphone, it's really not that much of a problem | Nov 11 22:12 |
| Sosumi | laptop + 4g access = any cell phone | Nov 11 22:12 |
| Sosumi | and I'm not the only guy who does that | Nov 11 22:26 |
| Sosumi | I have 2 teachers who exactly the same | Nov 11 22:26 |
| Sosumi | *do | Nov 11 22:26 |
| Sosumi | no cell phones | Nov 11 22:26 |
| Sosumi | you can call their landline and mail them | Nov 11 22:27 |
| Sosumi | but cell phones are something that stays inside the car for emergencies | Nov 11 22:27 |
| Sosumi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SNPJMk2fgJU | Nov 11 22:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Prototype Quadrotor with Machine Gun! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g0mw9 ] | Nov 11 22:30 |
| Sosumi | because the nsa may want to stalk them (or me) with one of those | Nov 11 22:31 |
| Sosumi | :) | Nov 11 22:33 |
| Sosumi | it wouldn't be the first time ppl die "accidently" | Nov 11 22:34 |
| Sosumi | micheal hastings was one of the last to die | Nov 11 22:35 |
| Sosumi | that I can remember | Nov 11 22:35 |
| MinceR | looks like we'll need power armor and guns | Nov 11 22:40 |
| Sosumi | don't worry, that's why I took physics | Nov 11 22:44 |
| Sosumi | and with 3d printers now able to do metal | Nov 11 22:48 |
| Sosumi | I don't think it'll be a problem in say 5 years to build weapons | Nov 11 22:49 |
| Sosumi | and armor | Nov 11 22:49 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 11 22:52 |
| Sosumi | gn | Nov 11 22:52 |
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| DaemonFC | Facebook recommended that I like Kevin Sorbo. He's a registered Republican that donated $500 to the worst president ever. (George W. Bush) | Nov 12 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | I did like his acting work on Hercules: The Legendary Journeys and Gene Roddenberry's Andromeda though, so I clicked the Like button. At least he gave us some good Saturday morning TV to watch while Bush was ****ing us over. | Nov 12 01:41 |
| Snowleaksange | just heard raspbiani sa pos that fails apt-get install chromium out of box | Nov 12 01:42 |
| Snowleaksange | raspbian | Nov 12 01:42 |
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| DaemonFC | My computer is getting pretty old, but I just can't bring myself to replace it. Every piece of hardware in it is supported by a Free (as in Freedom) driver, including the graphics card's 3d acceleration. The kernel Linux is performing better, the data libraries and compiler toolchain have been optimized, and KDE 4.11 is running using fewer resources than KDE 4.0 did in 2008. How do you replace a computer that is getting faster? I might have | Nov 12 03:54 |
| DaemonFC | to pull out the sledgehammer and give myself an excuse. *Bang bang bang* Well, I've been wanting a laptop anyway, and that desktop would have left me waiting another five years. | Nov 12 03:54 |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Nov 12 05:27 | |
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| Sosumi | my suggestion | Nov 12 05:39 |
| Sosumi | turn it into a server | Nov 12 05:40 |
| Sosumi | or keep it around for an emergency | Nov 12 05:41 |
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| DaemonFC | https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1399142_161732344036805_1958757887_o.jpg | Nov 12 07:09 |
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| iophk | tizen camera: | Nov 12 07:36 |
| iophk | http://linuxgizmos.com/tizen-camera-released-mobile-lite-version-coming-phones-delayed/ | Nov 12 07:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | linuxgizmos.com | Tizen camera debuted, Lite tipped, phone delayed · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/g0ps5 ] | Nov 12 07:36 |
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| iophk | Portland is already way ahead and should be used as a model. | Nov 12 08:58 |
| iophk | http://www.oregonlive.com/hillsboro/index.ssf/2013/11/hillsboro_school_district_cons_1.html | Nov 12 08:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.oregonlive.com | Hillsboro School District considering open-source solutions in wake of failed bond measure | OregonLive.com [ http://ur1.ca/g0qa2 ] | Nov 12 08:58 |
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| iophk | http://gigaom.com/2013/11/11/facebooks-hardware-vp-says-were-very-close-to-open-source-switches/ | Nov 12 08:59 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | gigaom.com | Facebook’s hardware VP says we’re very close to open source switches — Tech News and Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/g0qaa ] | Nov 12 08:59 |
| DaemonFC` | On OKCupid. | Nov 12 09:00 |
| DaemonFC` | "Are you smarter than most people?" | Nov 12 09:00 |
| DaemonFC` | Why yes, yes I am. | Nov 12 09:00 |
| DaemonFC` | Do I have to qualify this? OK. Here's a homework assignment. Go to Walmart sometime and observe "most people", and then get back to me. | Nov 12 09:00 |
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| DaemonFC` | http://dilbert.com/dyn/str_strip/000000000/00000000/0000000/100000/00000/5000/800/105824/105824.strip.gif | Nov 12 10:00 |
| DaemonFC` | Healthcare.gov | Nov 12 10:00 |
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| iophk | http://gizmodo.com/googles-going-to-start-sticking-your-face-and-name-in-1443861985/1462317340/@ace | Nov 12 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | gizmodo.com | Your Face and Name Will Appear in Google Ads Starting Today [ http://ur1.ca/g0qt6 ] | Nov 12 10:04 |
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| DaemonFC | Someone that I was talking to the other day said "I think someone likes you.", I said "and who would that be?". He pointed to this individual (as much as you can "point" to someone on the internet, that is). | Nov 12 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | I said "I don't know about that. I think that there could be some clash of personality there.". He asked me why that was. I said "Well, he's an activist that works to further the Democratic Party, and they're just the less right-wing party, for the most part, of the two party system we have in the United States." | Nov 12 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | Not only is he an activist, he says they're paying him too. I can't say I'm completely shocked. You can buy a lot of friends when you can't make enough of them naturally. Microsoft sometimes does this to "evangelize" Windows and other nasty proprietary Microsoft technologies. Fox News (the infamous hard-right news channel that you can tell is lying whenever one of their reporters has their lips moving) also uses this strategy. They send out | Nov 12 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | paid sockpuppets to carry out hit pieces against people that oppose their agenda. | Nov 12 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | I've never made any big secret of the fact that I am pretty far to the left on the left/right political spectrum. And from here, it's pretty easy to see what the establishment Democratic Party really is. About an inch to the left of the far right. They have a few decent social policies. Their fiscal policy is basically to save Capitalism from its own excesses. They are a business party though. They exist to serve Capitalism, whether some | Nov 12 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | capitalists realize this or not. Free Market Capitalism will kill itself with its own excesses. It will always get a little bit too greedy for its own good, and take down the entire system with it. This usually happens when workers get tired of literally being exploited to death for pennies and stage a revolt, followed by a unionization drive, like what happened in the United States in the early 20th century. | Nov 12 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | The Democrats were swept to power in the 1930s, and they immediately set to work extinguishing some of the fires that runaway Capitalism had set. They made some mild-to-moderate social reforms, like Social Security, the 40 hour work week, and some worker safety laws. | Nov 12 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | But that's all they've ever done. They're certainly not pro-labor, and they're certainly not in favor of the welfare state. (Where the government makes sure that its citizens have support mechanisms and living wages, so that their needs are not going unmet). | Nov 12 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | The goal of the Democratic Party establishment is to let people suffer, but not so much that it threatens to destabilize the entire system that is exploiting them. | Nov 12 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | And in a way, that makes them more of a menace to society than the Republican Party. If we had let the Republicans keep control for several more years, they would have finished ripping down the mild-to-moderate social reforms. Most of the people would go from having very little, back to not having a pot to piss in, and there would have been an uprising followed by far more extensive reforms, when people finally realized what they had done. | Nov 12 12:40 |
| DaemonFC | About the only major thing that Obama has suggested that I actually agree with, that is currently pending is that they need to raise the minimum wage. | Nov 12 12:47 |
| DaemonFC | $10.10 would be modest. It would bring it up to where it actually buys something again, but it would not be a comfortable lifestyle. | Nov 12 12:48 |
| yang | daemonfc interesting thoughts. i am an european and minimum hourly rate here is 3 eur. | Nov 12 12:54 |
| yang | maybe switzerland adopts the undetermined basic income as the first european country | Nov 12 12:55 |
| yang | like alaska has | Nov 12 12:56 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/08/walmart-arrests_n_4227411.html | Nov 12 12:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.huffingtonpost.com | Largest Civil Disobedience In Walmart History Leads To More Than 50 Arrests [ http://ur1.ca/g0s35 ] | Nov 12 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | I support the striking Walmart workers. | Nov 12 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart has the United States in a death spiral. Most people (more than half of the population of the United States) work for next to nothing, so they need discounts, so they shop at Walmart, and Walmart makes everyone a little bit poorer, and wages go down some more, and people need more discounts. It's like crack. | Nov 12 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | Walmart has an "intelligence" operation that keeps detailed files on all of their employees, that makes what the East German Stasi was doing look like amateur hour. That's kept Walmart's employees from unionizing, demanding fair wages and a little bit of health insurance, and other basic needs of survival, so far. | Nov 12 12:57 |
| yang | we have some kind of fund for nonemployed, however its only about 200 eur that cant really save you from misery | Nov 12 12:57 |
| DaemonFC | Right. Minimal social programs that keep people staring into the abyss. | Nov 12 12:58 |
| yang | i think scandinavian social model is the best | Nov 12 12:59 |
| yang | doesnt this wallmart has some kibd of coupons that people who get welfare have to use in their stores? | Nov 12 13:01 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I pointed out earlier that people in prison in Sweden have a higher standard of living than 40% of the non-imprisoned population of the United States. | Nov 12 13:01 |
| yang | yes | Nov 12 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | That's how bad things have gotten here. It only took about five years to get to this point. | Nov 12 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | When things took a turn for the worst, they pulled out almost all the stops. | Nov 12 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | This is hardly the same country it was in 2008. | Nov 12 13:02 |
| DaemonFC | There's more total wealth now than there was then, but it's distributed differently. The poor are very poor. The rich are very rich. | Nov 12 13:03 |
| yang | same gets here | Nov 12 13:04 |
| yang | middle class slowly dissapearing | Nov 12 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | The only thing that hasn't been cut, yet, is Social Security. | Nov 12 13:04 |
| yang | large unemployments | Nov 12 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | They'll get there. They just haven't figured out quite how to do it yet. | Nov 12 13:04 |
| DaemonFC | There's a large number of people on Social Security. About 60 million. | Nov 12 13:05 |
| DaemonFC | Actually, more than that. | Nov 12 13:05 |
| DaemonFC | So the number of people that would be very angry is very large. | Nov 12 13:05 |
| fewt | DaemonFC: why would you want to strike walmart workers? What have they done to you? | Nov 12 13:10 |
| fewt | also \o | Nov 12 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 12 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | I think you'd have to be pretty brave to strike if you work at Walmart. | Nov 12 13:11 |
| fewt | I agree | Nov 12 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | They're such an oppressive employer. | Nov 12 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | They're even worse now than when I worked there. | Nov 12 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | Almost nobody hired in the last couple of years is full time. | Nov 12 13:11 |
| DaemonFC | So you can't even get enough hours in to make the low wages work out. | Nov 12 13:12 |
| DaemonFC | You'd have to take on a second part time job. | Nov 12 13:12 |
| DaemonFC | And this person that was basically breathing down my neck the other day begging me to come over "for dinner" is now running for the hills. | Nov 12 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | Because he's found out that I'm not one of those single-issue gay activists that will follow the Democrats around like a dog on a leash. | Nov 12 13:13 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdrcOGoszlE | Nov 12 13:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Bill Hicks - Aids! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g0sa8 ] | Nov 12 13:22 |
| DaemonFC | LOL | Nov 12 13:22 |
| DaemonFC | https://fortwayne.craigslist.org/m4m/4186654805.html | Nov 12 13:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fortwayne.craigslist.org | Trying some more. Seeking LTR. [ http://ur1.ca/g0sch ] | Nov 12 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | Every time you think you have your bases covered... | Nov 12 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | Half this ad has turned into "Do not contact me, if...." | Nov 12 13:31 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3277280 | Nov 12 13:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: New leaks about #GCHQ teach us that running one's own DNS server might not be so paranoid after all. #nsa #malware #slashdot | Nov 12 13:36 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Heh, I don't know anything really. I just run bind and point my local computers to it. apt-get install bind 9, and you are up and running because the defaults seem sane. It works very well, but I don't know if it avoids interference from the ISP. I've got a cable modem, a nasty non free computer that works against me, between me and the internet. It might be able to reroute my recursive DNS requests to malicious servers. | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | You can use your computer to block your ISP's spam promoting DNS servers, | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | http://hackercodex.com/guide/how-to-stop-isp-dns-server-hijacking/ | Nov 12 13:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | hackercodex.com | How to Stop Your ISP from Hijacking Your DNS Servers | Hacker Codex [ http://ur1.ca/g0se7 ] | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | I don't have any records to manage and my ISP would thwart me if I did because they name every lease with the address with underlines instead of dots. This creates a conflicting record that I don't think I can do anything about. | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | I've basically given up on DNS and share things with my IP address like this, | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | http://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/2013/2013_11_10-courthouse_field/slide_6.html | Nov 12 13:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | 173.20.223.180 | Another Spitfire Crash [ http://ur1.ca/g0sea ] | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Yeah, we used to be with $LOCALMONOPOLYISP and discovered one day that all of a sudden when things were typed into the Firefox addressbar that didn't validate as a known domain, that we'd be redirected to a $LOCALMONOPOLYISP page with ads on it. | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Unbelievable. | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | Needless to say, we are no longer with $LOCALMONOPOLYISP, although I never did find a decent, cheap router available locally that could easily be confirmed to run one of the libre firmwares. :-/ | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 12 13:37 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3265636 | Nov 12 13:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/canonical-abused-trademark-law-to-target-a-site-critical-of-ubuntu-privacy/ #ubuntu #canonical #privacy | Nov 12 13:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | Canonical “abused trademark law” to target a site critical of Ubuntu privacy | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g01vv ] | Nov 12 13:38 |
| schestowitz | "Well, you may use any trade mark with the permission of the owner. I don't see why OMG! Ubuntu! shouldn't have asked for the permission beforehand. Anyway, Fix Ubuntu has added the disclaimer, removed the logo, and got the permission to use the name in the domain name. I agree that the email was not, as we say in Germany, ‘exactly the fine English way’ to approach the matter, but I got really angry how the FLOSS community seemed | Nov 12 13:38 |
| schestowitz | to treat Canonical like the evil empire. :/' | Nov 12 13:38 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3277964 | Nov 12 13:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Windows zombies are hardly a problem to the owner of the zombied computers; they often deserve this. Innocent people are their victims. | Nov 12 13:39 |
| schestowitz | No one deserves the injustice of non free software, even if they think they want it."77'; | Nov 12 13:39 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3277261 | Nov 12 13:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA espionage is not just against other nations but against people all around the world http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20130823/09375924294/did-new-zealand-spooks-tap-into-prism-to-spy-dotcom.shtml #nsa | Nov 12 13:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.techdirt.com | Did New Zealand Spooks Tap Into PRISM To Spy On Dotcom? | Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/g0sf2 ] | Nov 12 13:39 |
| schestowitz | "It may even be the first indication that PRISM's global surveillance system is also being deployed in areas that have nothing to do with terrorism or serious threats to the US or its citizens. " Surprise. Surprise."77" | Nov 12 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Comcast used to do that. | Nov 12 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | You had to call them to opt out. | Nov 12 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | So many people did that, that they stopped doing it. | Nov 12 13:41 |
| MinceR | http://partiallyclips.com/comics/2013-11-11_programmer_at_desk.jpg | Nov 12 14:15 |
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| Sosumi | staring today on google adds | Nov 12 14:51 |
| Sosumi | me | Nov 12 14:51 |
| Sosumi | google add: "Sosumi is an owl and recommends these night vision googles" | Nov 12 14:53 |
| MinceR | :D | Nov 12 14:53 |
| Sosumi | I admit that I had once a facebook profile of me under the name of "midnight commander" | Nov 12 14:59 |
| Sosumi | with a fake profile and everything | Nov 12 15:00 |
| Sosumi | which I used to spy | Nov 12 15:00 |
| Sosumi | now I'm more sufisticated | Nov 12 15:00 |
| Sosumi | bots do it for me | Nov 12 15:00 |
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| MinceR | was your profile image a screenshot of a blue two-pane file manager? | Nov 12 15:01 |
| Sosumi | yes | Nov 12 15:01 |
| Sosumi | lawl, it was as if the file manager had gone sentient | Nov 12 15:02 |
| MinceR | and the opposite of "lawl" is "chaosl" | Nov 12 15:02 |
| DaemonFC | From a 23 year old: "Like, you're old enough to be my uncle, dude." | Nov 12 15:03 |
| *DaemonFC is 29 | Nov 12 15:03 | |
| DaemonFC | Gee, like, let me fire up the old rusty van that says "Free Candy" on the side. | Nov 12 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | Shit. | Nov 12 15:04 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 12 15:04 |
| Sosumi | lol | Nov 12 15:04 |
| Sosumi | uncle is too much, you'd have to be in 40s to be one | Nov 12 15:05 |
| Sosumi | *your | Nov 12 15:05 |
| MinceR | lol | Nov 12 15:05 |
| Sosumi | but big bro DaemonFC, that'd cut it | Nov 12 15:05 |
| *MinceR demands the recipes of the candy | Nov 12 15:06 | |
| Sosumi | or aniki or sempai in case you're into japanese stuff | Nov 12 15:06 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 12 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | Gee, that movie starts at 7? That's awful late. That's my bedtime. I don't know. I guess I might make it if my arthritis and bad hip don't stop me. | Nov 12 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Nov 12 15:09 |
| Sosumi | which movie? | Nov 12 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know, I was just being sarcastic. | Nov 12 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I could start lying about my age, or win the lottery. | Nov 12 15:11 |
| DaemonFC | Money never hurts. | Nov 12 15:11 |
| Sosumi | it does | Nov 12 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | I could probably say I was 25. | Nov 12 15:12 |
| Sosumi | when it gets stollen from you | Nov 12 15:12 |
| DaemonFC | It's not like any of my relationships last long enough for them to find out. | Nov 12 15:12 |
| Sosumi | let me suggest one thing | Nov 12 15:12 |
| Sosumi | enroll into some course at an university | Nov 12 15:12 |
| iophk | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stollen | Nov 12 15:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Stollen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Nov 12 15:12 |
| Sosumi | and look out for the hot teachers | Nov 12 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | Well, there was this guy that has been hitting on me all week. | Nov 12 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | Then he drops the bomb and says "Oh, and I have HIV, and I occasionally use crystal meth." | Nov 12 15:13 |
| Sosumi | ouch | Nov 12 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | "Hold on a minute, I need to get some cigarettes." | Nov 12 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | "That doesn't bother you, does it?" | Nov 12 15:13 |
| DaemonFC | Well, no, not at all. I'm glad you didn't start with that. | Nov 12 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 12 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | But that's the one that's the paid shill for the Democrats. | Nov 12 15:14 |
| DaemonFC | Which I find significantly annoying in and of itself. | Nov 12 15:15 |
| DaemonFC | Not that I'm angry that there are employment opportunities for middle aged meth-smoking men with HIV. I see the Democrats are quite picky about who represents them. | Nov 12 15:16 |
| DaemonFC | He gets quite hateful when you say anything bad about any Democrat. | Nov 12 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | Even the very worst ones, like Erskine Bowles. | Nov 12 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | I agree that the Republicans are the devil. We're on the same page there. | Nov 12 15:19 |
| DaemonFC | The Democrats are like the devil that missed his coffee that morning and isn't quite so good at fucking with people that day. | Nov 12 15:20 |
| Sosumi | I though they were all bad | Nov 12 15:20 |
| Sosumi | and were all sellouts | Nov 12 15:20 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. Here's the political map. | Nov 12 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-prn2/1401210_161770030699703_508635135_o.jpg | Nov 12 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | Notice "You"? That's me. | Nov 12 15:21 |
| DaemonFC | and then up in the right hand corner, there's Obama and Romney. | Nov 12 15:21 |
| Sosumi | I don't believe into libertarianism | Nov 12 15:24 |
| Sosumi | nor on the austrian school of killer austerity and derregulation | Nov 12 15:24 |
| Sosumi | and diminished roles of the state | Nov 12 15:24 |
| Sosumi | my position is right at the origin of the axis | Nov 12 15:25 |
| Sosumi | (0,0) | Nov 12 15:25 |
| Sosumi | perfect balance | Nov 12 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | Sosumi: That's social libertarianism. | Nov 12 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Left-libertarianism | Nov 12 15:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Left-libertarianism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g0tc9 ] | Nov 12 15:27 |
| Sosumi | nop | Nov 12 15:28 |
| Sosumi | it's called common sense | Nov 12 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | I'll vote for Bernie Sanders if he is in the primary election. | Nov 12 15:28 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know if he will be. The establishment Democrats will do everything they can to crush him. | Nov 12 15:29 |
| Sosumi | not being bound by any school of economics nor any pre-conceived idea | Nov 12 15:29 |
| Sosumi | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_School_%28economics%29 | Nov 12 15:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | American School (economics) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g0tdt ] | Nov 12 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | Every time I shake the tree, more mean people, control freaks, weirdos, and legends in their own mind fall out. | Nov 12 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | When you look back, and all the warning signs were there, and you realize just how many things you had to overlook, you really feel stupid. | Nov 12 15:30 |
| DaemonFC | (from my Facebook wall) | Nov 12 15:30 |
| Sosumi | that is what you at least should be supporting | Nov 12 15:30 |
| Sosumi | control freaks and weirdos are all over the place | Nov 12 15:31 |
| Sosumi | actually, there has always been tirany | Nov 12 15:32 |
| Sosumi | but it happened because there were no opposing forces strong enough | Nov 12 15:32 |
| Sosumi | and by the will of the ppl | Nov 12 15:32 |
| Sosumi | and by the exploitation of the "mass man" | Nov 12 15:33 |
| Sosumi | if ppl actually had, sometimes, grey matter inside their brains | Nov 12 15:33 |
| Sosumi | they wouldn't fall for the politricks | Nov 12 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | That comment was actually aimed at that guy. | Nov 12 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | :P | Nov 12 15:35 |
| Sosumi | it's like bill cooper used to say | Nov 12 15:36 |
| Sosumi | the price of freedom is eternal vigilance | Nov 12 15:36 |
| Sosumi | if you're not vigilant, you give tyrany a chance to creep in | Nov 12 15:37 |
| fewt | DaemonFC: you shook the tree again, that's why I'm here. You rang? | Nov 12 15:58 |
| fewt | :P | Nov 12 15:59 |
| DaemonFC | fewt: I didn't realize you felt that way about me. | Nov 12 16:01 |
| fewt | DaemonFC: I was joking | Nov 12 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | I was being sarcastic. | Nov 12 16:04 |
| fewt | no wai | Nov 12 16:05 |
| fewt | :) | Nov 12 16:06 |
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| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/quantum-of-pwnness-how-nsa-and-gchq-hacked-opec-and-others/ | Nov 12 18:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Quantum of pwnness: How NSA and GCHQ hacked OPEC and others | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g0urz ] | Nov 12 18:11 |
| Sosumi | remember when the nsa hacked airbus to steal info for boeing? | Nov 12 18:12 |
| Sosumi | yay industrial espionage | Nov 12 18:12 |
| Sosumi | and real one | Nov 12 18:12 |
| Sosumi | no trash sniffing | Nov 12 18:12 |
| iophk | Marketing for Bill over at Wired | Nov 12 18:24 |
| iophk | http://www.wired.com/business/2013/11/bill-gates-wired-essay/all/ | Nov 12 18:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | Bill Gates: Here's My Plan to Improve Our World — And How You Can Help | Wired Business | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/g0uu6 ] | Nov 12 18:24 |
| MinceR | i know of a way he could improve the world, but he won't do that | Nov 12 18:25 |
| iophk | :> | Nov 12 18:25 |
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| iophk | What's the status of identi.ca or pump.io? Is the latter a replacement for the former? | Nov 12 18:50 |
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| schestowitz | " | Nov 12 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Gizmodo is conflating things to make Google look as bad as or worse than Facebook. Facebook uses your name and face as they please to create endorsements you had nothing to do with and might object to. Facebook is completely unethical, founded by a vile person who sold out his friends as "dumb fucks" for trusting him, then promoted by Microsoft as the spy implement of the future. Google is nothing like that. | Nov 12 18:55 |
| schestowitz | I don't think Google is not really doing anything wrong to add your reviews and likes to their search results. What you did was public and you might want your friends to find it. If you don't want that to happen, you can turn it off. It might have been better for Google to make this opt in, but the nature of search is not usually like that. Search engines are supposed to find the things you publish and share them in a relevant way. | Nov 12 18:55 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 12 18:55 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3280073 | Nov 12 18:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Your Face and Name Will Appear in Google Ads Starting Today http://gizmodo.com/googles-going-to-start-sticking-your-face-and-name-in-1443861985/1462317340/@ace advertisers get more aggressive over time | Nov 12 18:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> gizmodo.com | Your Face and Name Will Appear in Google Ads Starting Today [ http://ur1.ca/g0qt6 ] | Nov 12 18:55 |
| schestowitz | "The problem with Google is that it's becoming slowly like Facebook, I remember that Facebook was not so bad a few years ago, therefore Google might become what Facebook is now in a few years more. It's so simple that there is nothing free, therefore if Google (or Facebook or whatever) charge you nothing for its services then they have to have another way of getting money. Companies are in the business of making money after all." | Nov 12 18:56 |
| schestowitz | The question is, what is the product and who is the buyer? | Nov 12 18:56 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3277867 | Nov 12 18:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Less Than 20% Of Americans Believe That There's Adequate Oversight Of The NSA http://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131103/23113025112/less-than-20-americans-believe-that-theres-adequate-oversight-nsa.shtml similar to belief against global warming | Nov 12 18:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.techdirt.com | Less Than 20% Of Americans Believe That There's Adequate Oversight Of The NSA | Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/g0p60 ] | Nov 12 18:57 |
| schestowitz | Making the world safe for "democracy"."77" | Nov 12 18:57 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3280072 | Nov 12 18:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hillsboro School District considering open-source solutions in wake of failed bond measure http://www.oregonlive.com/hillsboro/index.ssf/2013/11/hillsboro_school_district_cons_1.html #gnu #linux | Nov 12 18:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.oregonlive.com | Hillsboro School District considering open-source solutions in wake of failed bond measure | OregonLive.com [ http://ur1.ca/g0qa2 ] | Nov 12 18:57 |
| schestowitz | "There will be more of this, depending on how free and honest local governments are." | Nov 12 18:57 |
| Sosumi | Mincer, seppuku | Nov 12 19:01 |
| MinceR | also, he could use his wealth to compensate the people he has harmed | Nov 12 19:01 |
| Sosumi | yep | Nov 12 19:02 |
| MinceR | his total wealth is probably less than the damage caused, but he could still improve the world | Nov 12 19:02 |
| Sosumi | wasn't he also the guy who was advocating vaccines for the porpuses of reducing population? | Nov 12 19:02 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure how vaccines are supposed to do that | Nov 12 19:03 |
| MinceR | but i agree both with vaccination and reducing population | Nov 12 19:03 |
| Sosumi | by including mercury and alluminium adjuvants | Nov 12 19:03 |
| Sosumi | aluminum | Nov 12 19:04 |
| Sosumi | and some don't work at all | Nov 12 19:04 |
| Sosumi | like the HPV vaccine | Nov 12 19:04 |
| Sosumi | welcome to the pharma industrial complex | Nov 12 19:04 |
| Sosumi | as for population reduction | Nov 12 19:05 |
| Sosumi | only of the wrong kind | Nov 12 19:05 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 12 19:05 |
| Sosumi | but then, what would distinguish me from the shickleguber guy | Nov 12 19:05 |
| Sosumi | the final solution to prevent global warming | Nov 12 19:05 |
| Sosumi | start colonizing the solar system | Nov 12 19:06 |
| Sosumi | and the (inexisting) overpopulation problem goes away | Nov 12 19:07 |
| Sosumi | and it isn't that hard, stop the wars, funnel the money to the space program | Nov 12 19:08 |
| Sosumi | and all that new tech will find it's way in a way or another to the public | Nov 12 19:08 |
| Sosumi | like it did in the 60s | Nov 12 19:08 |
| Sosumi | also, use the money to decomission those old nuclear plants and build new and better ones | Nov 12 19:09 |
| Sosumi | instead of waiting for a fukushima in the US | Nov 12 19:09 |
| Sosumi | and helen caldicot is a nincompoop | Nov 12 19:10 |
| Sosumi | :) | Nov 12 19:10 |
| Sosumi | actually she should merge her foundation with billy and melinda jobs foundation | Nov 12 19:12 |
| Sosumi | and call it thomas malthus effin' rules! | Nov 12 19:13 |
| MinceR | what makes you think that the overpopulation problem doesn't exist? | Nov 12 19:14 |
| Sosumi | because it doesn't exist | Nov 12 19:14 |
| MinceR | uh huh | Nov 12 19:14 |
| Sosumi | all you see is too much concentration of ppl in a single place | Nov 12 19:14 |
| MinceR | not just that | Nov 12 19:15 |
| Sosumi | the other areas, specially the interior more rural zones are going desert as the oldies die | Nov 12 19:15 |
| MinceR | there's also the additional space used to support all those people | Nov 12 19:15 |
| Sosumi | well ofc | Nov 12 19:16 |
| MinceR | also, it seems to me that people do feel the pressure from that concentration | Nov 12 19:16 |
| Sosumi | as the population concentrates just in one area, sure | Nov 12 19:16 |
| schestowitz | [18:50] <iophk> What's the status of identi.ca or pump.io? Is the latter a replacement for the former? | Nov 12 19:16 |
| schestowitz | One of the software, one an instance of it running | Nov 12 19:16 |
| schestowitz | same with statusnet, now GNU Social | Nov 12 19:16 |
| MinceR | unless it's just the hungarian surliness some visitors report... | Nov 12 19:16 |
| schestowitz | iophk: Gates got some Wired ads before | Nov 12 19:17 |
| schestowitz | Wired is not credible | Nov 12 19:17 |
| MinceR | also, if one promotes spreading out the population from the current concentrated regions, that will take its toll on currently less bothered areas | Nov 12 19:17 |
| schestowitz | it did some dubious things amid the fight against leakers | Nov 12 19:17 |
| MinceR | i.e. they'll cut down forests and the suffocate | Nov 12 19:17 |
| MinceR | s/the /then / | Nov 12 19:17 |
| Sosumi | it's called realocation | Nov 12 19:17 |
| Sosumi | as the other zones go desert | Nov 12 19:18 |
| Sosumi | nature will simply take over | Nov 12 19:18 |
| Sosumi | and the balance is maintained | Nov 12 19:18 |
| MinceR | i don't see much in the way of zones going deserted | Nov 12 19:18 |
| Sosumi | I see | Nov 12 19:18 |
| Sosumi | here in portugal | Nov 12 19:18 |
| Sosumi | the interior of the country is going desert | Nov 12 19:18 |
| Sosumi | with the population concentrating in the big cities and perifery | Nov 12 19:19 |
| Sosumi | because that's were the jobs are | Nov 12 19:19 |
| Sosumi | and europe is going old and dying, so is japan | Nov 12 19:20 |
| Sosumi | and the population isn't growing at all | Nov 12 19:20 |
| Sosumi | and the only reason the US is growing is thx to the migrants coming in fromm another countries | Nov 12 19:20 |
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| Sosumi | just like in the UK | Nov 12 19:25 |
| Sosumi | in london natives are becoming a minority | Nov 12 19:25 |
| Sosumi | but then again, for those who do believe in overpopulation | Nov 12 19:26 |
| Sosumi | go protest to stop the wars | Nov 12 19:26 |
| Sosumi | and demand the money to be funneled into the space program | Nov 12 19:27 |
| Sosumi | and solar system colonization | Nov 12 19:27 |
| schestowitz | [19:19] <s-534> @Asher_Wolf "Corporate power is a scourge on democracy", | Nov 12 19:27 |
| schestowitz | [19:19] <s-534> retweeted by writes Victoria Rollison. Its why we have to | Nov 12 19:27 |
| schestowitz | [19:19] <s-534> @Thomas_Drake1 stop the #TPPA http://t.co/n4p0GXl1RV | Nov 12 19:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | theaimn.com | An Open Letter to George Monbiot « The Australian Independent Media Network | Nov 12 19:27 |
| Sosumi | which would in fact work very well as pretest for a post war scenario | Nov 12 19:27 |
| Sosumi | much better than that presented by the club of rome | Nov 12 19:28 |
| Sosumi | in which the global warming drama is based and making humanity itself the enemy | Nov 12 19:28 |
| Sosumi | because hey, the planet is going to blow one day, | Nov 12 19:28 |
| MinceR | do you think such protests would do anything? :> | Nov 12 19:29 |
| Sosumi | the sun will also do funy stuff | Nov 12 19:29 |
| MinceR | yeah, in a couple billion years | Nov 12 19:29 |
| MinceR | humanity is destroying itself on a much faster scale | Nov 12 19:29 |
| Sosumi | well if they're occupy wallstreet like | Nov 12 19:29 |
| Sosumi | with no demands | Nov 12 19:29 |
| Sosumi | no organization | Nov 12 19:29 |
| MinceR | did occupy accomplish anything? | Nov 12 19:30 |
| Sosumi | just anarchysm and the promotion of survival of the fittest (libertarianism, corps preying on the folks with no oversight) | Nov 12 19:30 |
| Sosumi | ofc they wont accomplish anything | Nov 12 19:30 |
| Sosumi | and who cares if it's a million of years away, start working on it now | Nov 12 19:31 |
| Sosumi | or we can just all go party like it's 1999 and when stuff happen, well though luck | Nov 12 19:36 |
| Sosumi | if you're one of the unwashed masses, because the big boys have bunkers and complete underground systems | Nov 12 19:37 |
| Sosumi | as planed and advised by the rand corporation back during the days of MAD | Nov 12 19:37 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 12 19:38 |
| Sosumi | but hey war is kewl | Nov 12 19:39 |
| Sosumi | let's go make a B52 go rogue | Nov 12 19:39 |
| Sosumi | drop a nuke in LA | Nov 12 19:39 |
| Sosumi | and blame it on iRan | Nov 12 19:39 |
| Sosumi | or syria | Nov 12 19:40 |
| Sosumi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_United_States_Air_Force_nuclear_weapons_incident | Nov 12 19:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | 2007 United States Air Force nuclear weapons incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g0vav ] | Nov 12 19:41 |
| Sosumi | https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/11/cryptographic_b.html?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter | Nov 12 20:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.schneier.com | Schneier on Security: Cryptographic Blunders Revealed by Adobe's Password Leak [ http://ur1.ca/g0vfx ] | Nov 12 20:02 |
| Sosumi | adobe should start using concrete | Nov 12 20:02 |
| Sosumi | it's more "resilient" | Nov 12 20:02 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 12 20:22 |
| MinceR | adobe should start looking for a job they're qualified for | Nov 12 20:22 |
| MinceR | software development is clearly not it | Nov 12 20:22 |
| Sosumi | http://static.ddmcdn.com/gif/adobe-construction1.jpg | Nov 12 20:45 |
| Sosumi | maybe that would halve the housing bubble | Nov 12 20:46 |
| Sosumi | since housing prices are still beyond the real price | Nov 12 20:47 |
| Sosumi | actually the best way to buy house at this moment is to get one of those foreclosed houses/apartments | Nov 12 20:48 |
| iophk | or abandoned ones | Nov 12 20:48 |
| iophk | you can get some for 4 figures, low | Nov 12 20:48 |
| Sosumi | for example, my mother's cost 50000€ while the normal price is 125000€ | Nov 12 20:48 |
| iophk | still in ok shape | Nov 12 20:49 |
| Sosumi | just move to detroit :P | Nov 12 20:49 |
| iophk | that would be the downside | Nov 12 20:49 |
| Sosumi | I haven't exactly seen abandoned apartments around here | Nov 12 20:49 |
| Sosumi | although most apartments here at my block (I live with my mother aka the laundry lady) | Nov 12 20:50 |
| Sosumi | are empty | Nov 12 20:50 |
| Sosumi | or on rental for students | Nov 12 20:50 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure if adobes are a good fit for various climates, though | Nov 12 20:51 |
| Sosumi | adobes are only good for dry climate | Nov 12 20:51 |
| Sosumi | that's why you see them mostly in africa | Nov 12 20:51 |
| Sosumi | and arabia too | Nov 12 20:52 |
| Sosumi | adobes are also good for earthquake prone areas | Nov 12 20:53 |
| Sosumi | you can easily get out of the rumble | Nov 12 20:54 |
| Sosumi | maybe helen caldicott is going to advise that for japan next time she spills some poison | Nov 12 20:55 |
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| Sosumi | http://slashdot.org/topic/datacenter/nsa-specs-cybersecurity-curriculum-for-21st-century/ | Nov 12 21:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | slashdot.org | NSA Specs Cybersecurity Curriculum for 21st Century [ http://ur1.ca/g0vxi ] | Nov 12 21:17 |
| Sosumi | raytheon, grumman | Nov 12 21:18 |
| Sosumi | two tentacles of the military and intelligence industrial complex | Nov 12 21:18 |
| Sosumi | didn't Eisenhower alert that the military industrial complex would rob "us" of our geniuses? | Nov 12 21:20 |
| Sosumi | and actually, many of the geniuses are recruited from the universities | Nov 12 21:21 |
| Sosumi | it's common practice for the "partners" to have an eye on grades and projects | Nov 12 21:22 |
| Sosumi | and actually if there was something that cliff stoll's cucku egg teached me was that if you're looking into information or trying to infiltrate into military systems | Nov 12 21:24 |
| Sosumi | the best place is to go through an university | Nov 12 21:24 |
| Sosumi | *way, not place | Nov 12 21:25 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3277280 | Nov 12 21:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: New leaks about #GCHQ teach us that running one's own DNS server might not be so paranoid after all. #nsa #malware #slashdot | Nov 12 21:33 |
| schestowitz | "I think I totally got the wrong end of the stick, which almost implies ineptitude, seriously! I understand now that we're talking about running a local DNS server for client resolves, rather than for maintaining one's own public DNS records for local services/etc." | Nov 12 21:34 |
| Sosumi | it's just like some folks say | Nov 12 21:37 |
| Sosumi | just because you're not paranoid, doesn't mean that they aren't out there to get you | Nov 12 21:37 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 12 21:37 |
| Sosumi | https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-_aBJyZwt1wE/Un_MBTzXbWI/AAAAAAAAAME/P2T46x0PVy0/w720-h529-no/iLinux.gif | Nov 12 21:46 |
| schestowitz | http://paidcontent.org/ | Nov 12 21:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | paidcontent.org | paidContent | Nov 12 21:46 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3281627 | Nov 12 21:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Quantum of pwnness: How NSA and GCHQ hacked OPEC and others http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/quantum-of-pwnness-how-nsa-and-gchq-hacked-opec-and-others/ crimes of authorities | Nov 12 21:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | Quantum of pwnness: How NSA and GCHQ hacked OPEC and others | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g0urz ] | Nov 12 21:47 |
| schestowitz | "It must be quite sad to realize that UK became second USA ..." | Nov 12 21:47 |
| Sosumi | wrong | Nov 12 21:47 |
| schestowitz | used to be the opposite.Now the tail wags the dog. | Nov 12 21:48 |
| Sosumi | british intelligence is still the best | Nov 12 21:48 |
| schestowitz | meh | Nov 12 21:48 |
| Sosumi | it's like a teacher of mine used to say | Nov 12 21:48 |
| Sosumi | britain provides the intelligence | Nov 12 21:48 |
| Sosumi | america the bodies | Nov 12 21:49 |
| schestowitz | \ | Nov 12 21:49 |
| Sosumi | *and maerica provides the bodies | Nov 12 21:49 |
| schestowitz | !google africa iraq british intel | Nov 12 21:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Niger uranium forgeries - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Niger_uranium_forgeries | Nov 12 21:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - List of intelligence agencies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_intelligence_agencies | Nov 12 21:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Iraq did not seek to acquire yellowcake uranium - Leading To War ... | http://www.leadingtowar.com/claims_facts_yellowcake.php | Nov 12 21:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - New Fight Over Iraq Nuke Claim - CBS News | http://www.cbsnews.com/2100-500257_162-560449.html | Nov 12 21:49 |
| Sosumi | or in other words, the cannon fodder | Nov 12 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Israel does that too | Nov 12 21:49 |
| schestowitz | Both ways | Nov 12 21:49 |
| MinceR | Sosumi: is that a GNU/Linux distribution using Gnome and an OSuX skin? | Nov 12 21:49 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 12 21:49 |
| schestowitz | US supplies the arms | Nov 12 21:50 |
| Sosumi | yep | Nov 12 21:50 |
| Sosumi | MinceR, just found it fun | Nov 12 21:50 |
| MinceR | still better than any version of macos | Nov 12 21:50 |
| schestowitz | and sometimes the US Army comes over with carriers for some oil agenda with a bit of Zionist agenda | Nov 12 21:50 |
| Sosumi | that is true too | Nov 12 21:50 |
| Sosumi | MinceR, osx is dead | Nov 12 21:51 |
| Sosumi | DEAD, kaput | Nov 12 21:51 |
| MinceR | not dead enough | Nov 12 21:51 |
| MinceR | yet | Nov 12 21:51 |
| Sosumi | it died in 2011 | Nov 12 21:51 |
| MinceR | or at least not as dead as i'd like it to be | Nov 12 21:52 |
| Sosumi | when crApple released 10.7 | Nov 12 21:52 |
| Sosumi | let the fools have their shiny junk | Nov 12 21:52 |
| Sosumi | and bath in limitation | Nov 12 21:52 |
| Sosumi | just like they did when they were school children or lived under the oversight of a guardian | Nov 12 21:53 |
| MinceR | so long as there aren't too many of them, to distract hardware and application developers | Nov 12 21:54 |
| MinceR | and to legitimize DRM | Nov 12 21:54 |
| MinceR | and to fund crApple's war on freedom | Nov 12 21:54 |
| Sosumi | for that there's windows already | Nov 12 21:54 |
| Sosumi | and M$ | Nov 12 21:54 |
| MinceR | yeah, winblows isn't as dead as it needs to be, either | Nov 12 21:54 |
| Sosumi | and probably never will, that's a fact | Nov 12 21:55 |
| Sosumi | this is like 2nd phase WWI | Nov 12 21:55 |
| Sosumi | man the trenches and hope for the best | Nov 12 21:55 |
| Sosumi | and attack when disaster hits the enemy | Nov 12 21:56 |
| Sosumi | which so far hasn't been that explored | Nov 12 21:56 |
| schestowitz | [21:14] <s-534> @PTiberias @Thomas_Drake1 We used to wonder how an entire | Nov 12 21:56 |
| schestowitz | [21:14] <s-534> retweeted by nation could fall under the spell of Hitler and | Nov 12 21:56 |
| schestowitz | [21:14] <s-534> @Thomas_Drake1 how his SS could do such evil. I know now. | Nov 12 21:57 |
| Sosumi | like the snowden "confirmations" | Nov 12 21:57 |
| Sosumi | has red hat actually said something or the fedora guys | Nov 12 21:58 |
| Sosumi | nah | Nov 12 21:58 |
| Sosumi | all quiet | Nov 12 21:58 |
| Sosumi | only the advocacy folks seem to actually care | Nov 12 21:58 |
| Sosumi | and who says windows can say facebook and google | Nov 12 21:59 |
| Sosumi | for example, google on a propaganda piece said they were going to encrypt their internal networking | Nov 12 22:03 |
| Sosumi | like if that had any effect | Nov 12 22:04 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3277280 | Nov 12 22:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: New leaks about #GCHQ teach us that running one's own DNS server might not be so paranoid after all. #nsa #malware #slashdot | Nov 12 22:04 |
| schestowitz | "It's the same bind for both, thanks. The IT guy who used to work here had set all that up with ISPConfig on top of Debian and it worked very well for public records and dhcp as well." | Nov 12 22:04 |
| schestowitz | Sosumi: lol | Nov 12 22:05 |
| schestowitz | I encrypt my synapses | Nov 12 22:05 |
| Sosumi | I do airgapping | Nov 12 22:06 |
| Sosumi | only the machines that need to be connected to the internet, actually are | Nov 12 22:06 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3280073 | Nov 12 22:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Your Face and Name Will Appear in Google Ads Starting Today http://gizmodo.com/googles-going-to-start-sticking-your-face-and-name-in-1443861985/1462317340/@ace advertisers get more aggressive over time | Nov 12 22:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> gizmodo.com | Your Face and Name Will Appear in Google Ads Starting Today [ http://ur1.ca/g0qt6 ] | Nov 12 22:08 |
| schestowitz | "Despite the nasty examples provided by non free software owners and jerky websites and big publishers before them, advertising can be honest. There's nothing wrong with simple, anonymous awareness advertising. Simple, local classified ads financed journalism and other useful services." | Nov 12 22:09 |
| Sosumi | google add for tangy tangerine: tangy tangerine is so nutritional that kim jung un was disposed to attack the US in order to steal alex jones's 40 years worth of supply | Nov 12 22:14 |
| MinceR | lol wut | Nov 12 22:17 |
| Sosumi | doesn't alex jones sell snake oil supplements? | Nov 12 22:18 |
| Sosumi | and during that time of north korea hysteria | Nov 12 22:18 |
| Sosumi | he was selling some powder with that name | Nov 12 22:18 |
| Sosumi | the joke at the time and I even said on one of his videos | Nov 12 22:19 |
| Sosumi | was that kimmy boy only wanted to attack the US in order to steal jonesi 40 years old of supply of tangy tangerine | Nov 12 22:19 |
| Sosumi | since during that jonesi was also yaping about barricading his house while "supposedely" everything falls apart | Nov 12 22:21 |
| Sosumi | *supposedly | Nov 12 22:21 |
| Sosumi | and was having at that time that guy steve pchnick or wathever his last name is | Nov 12 22:22 |
| Sosumi | who all he did was to besides talking out of his "butt" about comonsensical things about NKorea | Nov 12 22:23 |
| Sosumi | was also parroting tom clancy | Nov 12 22:24 |
| schestowitz | awww | Nov 12 22:24 |
| schestowitz | jones.. | Nov 12 22:24 |
| schestowitz | who is that person and what is he for? | Nov 12 22:24 |
| schestowitz | What do you make of him? | Nov 12 22:24 |
| Sosumi | jonesi? | Nov 12 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Some good mate of mine reckons he is "controlled opposition" noe | Nov 12 22:24 |
| schestowitz | *now | Nov 12 22:24 |
| Sosumi | a con artist | Nov 12 22:24 |
| schestowitz | whose? | Nov 12 22:24 |
| schestowitz | a lot of what he rouched turns to "conspiracy theory" | Nov 12 22:25 |
| schestowitz | even the true things | Nov 12 22:25 |
| schestowitz | So I know damn well who that serves... | Nov 12 22:25 |
| Sosumi | at the moment he stopped having tarpley in | Nov 12 22:25 |
| schestowitz | tarpley? | Nov 12 22:26 |
| Sosumi | webster tarpley | Nov 12 22:26 |
| Sosumi | is when he actually went full gaga | Nov 12 22:26 |
| schestowitz | in between promoting all sorts of placebos and science fiction, he does touch some real points, but that just helps discredit these points | Nov 12 22:26 |
| schestowitz | Not Sheen? | Nov 12 22:27 |
| Sosumi | Sheen? | Nov 12 22:27 |
| schestowitz | he befriended him | Nov 12 22:28 |
| schestowitz | back in the days | Nov 12 22:28 |
| schestowitz | before Sheen went total loon | Nov 12 22:28 |
| schestowitz | or around that time... | Nov 12 22:28 |
| schestowitz | !google sheen alex jones | Nov 12 22:28 |
| Sosumi | ho buddy love | Nov 12 22:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Charlie Sheen Unleashed: I'm Not Taking It Anymore!! 1/3 - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DQGdshc0AtOE | Nov 12 22:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Inside The Mind Of Charlie Sheen Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a ... | http://www.infowars.com/inside-the-mind-of-charlie-sheen/ | Nov 12 22:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Alex Jones Interviews Charlie Sheen - Infowars | http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/sheen_questions_official_911_story_audio.htm | Nov 12 22:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Alex Jones: Charlie Sheen situation blew up in my face - National ... | http://www.examiner.com/article/alex-jones-charlie-sheen-situation-blew-up-my-face | Nov 12 22:28 |
| Sosumi | the guy who played him on wallstreet | Nov 12 22:28 |
| Sosumi | yes | Nov 12 22:28 |
| Sosumi | yeah, I guess so | Nov 12 22:29 |
| schestowitz | "Jones wanted to give Sheen, his friend, a media outlet to help dispel some of the rumors that are circulating. He also thought the he and Sheen would discuss Sheen's video message to Obama. Media Matters accused Jones of using the Charlie Sheen situation to garner publicity for his own hot topics, namely 9/11 and the fall of Building 7, the Bush administration, the war in Iraq, the TSA and Homeland Security and the Federal Reserve.' | Nov 12 22:29 |
| Sosumi | and it was also during that time he was supporting kokesh guy and his march unto dc with weapons in hand | Nov 12 22:29 |
| *sebsebseb (~mageiause@fsf/member/sebsebseb) has joined #techrights | Nov 12 22:30 | |
| sebsebseb | Nov 12 22:30 | |
| schestowitz | "After reading several articles posted around the Internet, it seems that the vast majority of readers are in full support of Alex Jones and most are concerned for Charlie Sheen. The only people who seem to really be coming out against either of them are the media, as evidenced by this article at The Wire, saying that Alex is even crazier than Sheen and, of course, the above mentioned article at Media Matters." | Nov 12 22:30 |
| schestowitz | I sub'ed to media matters recently | Nov 12 22:30 |
| schestowitz | only to be disappointed | Nov 12 22:30 |
| schestowitz | it's some fake 'leftist' site | Nov 12 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | Nov 12 22:30 | |
| schestowitz | anti-Fox and GOP | Nov 12 22:30 |
| schestowitz | Fox hates them | Nov 12 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz: new Linux maazine wanting crowd funding | Nov 12 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | magaine | Nov 12 22:31 |
| schestowitz | But it does shore up the fiction that other channels and politicians are "left" | Nov 12 22:31 |
| schestowitz | or "good" | Nov 12 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Just ignoring one side of the issue | Nov 12 22:31 |
| schestowitz | FAIR is far better than Media Matters | Nov 12 22:31 |
| Sosumi | just to answer your question, about who he is serving | Nov 12 22:32 |
| schestowitz | himself | Nov 12 22:32 |
| schestowitz | but also some others | Nov 12 22:32 |
| Sosumi | well ofc | Nov 12 22:32 |
| schestowitz | they just need to associate criticism with him | Nov 12 22:32 |
| schestowitz | e.g. BBC would show HIM as the anti-Bilderberg | Nov 12 22:33 |
| schestowitz | because he already has reputation for "conspiracy theory" | Nov 12 22:33 |
| schestowitz | And the BBC interview begins by describing him as such to his face | Nov 12 22:33 |
| Sosumi | but he's serving the derregulation, pro-anarchy wings | Nov 12 22:33 |
| Sosumi | ppl like peter thiel for example of the bilderberg stearing comitee | Nov 12 22:34 |
| schestowitz | So that's all sorted, nothing rogue in billionaires meeting politicians in secret at taxpayers' expense with lots of cops and road closures | Nov 12 22:34 |
| Sosumi | and campaign contributor for ron paul | Nov 12 22:34 |
| schestowitz | Paul is OK, I mostly like him | Nov 12 22:34 |
| Sosumi | but look how the big boys tried to discredit the bilderberg protests | Nov 12 22:34 |
| schestowitz | But he got tied up with GOP as of late | Nov 12 22:35 |
| schestowitz | And his son isn't making a good impression, a few policies aside | Nov 12 22:35 |
| schestowitz | They got tied up with the corporatist party | Nov 12 22:35 |
| Sosumi | by featuring in ppl like david icke talking about nonsense | Nov 12 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Atgh | Nov 12 22:35 |
| schestowitz | Icke | Nov 12 22:35 |
| schestowitz | !google openbytes icke | Nov 12 22:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - OpenBytes - Goblin's Domain | From GNU/Linux to Warhammer ... | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/ | Nov 12 22:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - The People's Voice – Icke TV | OpenBytes - Goblin's Domain | http://openbytes.wordpress.com/2013/10/11/6511/ | Nov 12 22:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Tim Sparrow (Goblin) (_Goblin) on Twitter | https://twitter.com/_Goblin | Nov 12 22:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Tim Sparrow - YouTube | http://www.youtube.com/user/Openbytes | Nov 12 22:36 |
| schestowitz | He summed that up recently | Nov 12 22:36 |
| schestowitz | Another case of mixing fiction with fact | Nov 12 22:36 |
| schestowitz | luring people in for facts | Nov 12 22:36 |
| Sosumi | yep | Nov 12 22:36 |
| schestowitz | and then spoonfeeding them batshit crazy stuff | Nov 12 22:36 |
| Sosumi | and putting them running in circles | Nov 12 22:36 |
| schestowitz | like forums that get polluted with "alien" stories | Nov 12 22:37 |
| schestowitz | driving away people who followed them.. | Nov 12 22:37 |
| Sosumi | aliens was the best excuse | Nov 12 22:37 |
| Sosumi | to cover sighting of experimental aircraft | Nov 12 22:37 |
| Sosumi | *sightings | Nov 12 22:38 |
| schestowitz | CNN uses Jones to demonise pro-guns folks | Nov 12 22:38 |
| schestowitz | !google jones cnn guns | Nov 12 22:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Social media abuzz over Piers Morgan vs. Alex Jones - CNN.com | http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/07/us/piers-morgan-guns-debate/ | Nov 12 22:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Opinion: How young people fight guns - CNN.com | http://www.cnn.com/2013/04/17/opinion/jones-gun-control/ | Nov 12 22:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - CNN's Van Jones and S.E. Cupp Blow Up Over Right to Have Guns ... | http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnns-van-jones-and-s-e-cupp-blow-up-over-right-to-have-guns-in-schools/ | Nov 12 22:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - On CNN's Crossfire, Van Jones Exposes Conservative Media's ... | http://mediamatters.org/blog/2013/09/13/on-cnns-crossfire-van-jones-exposes-conservativ/195884 | Nov 12 22:38 |
| Sosumi | making himself be the model of a typical gun owner | Nov 12 22:39 |
| Sosumi | which is false ofc, but then the mudstream media uses to demonize everyone | Nov 12 22:39 |
| Sosumi | but let's just not even stop at jones | Nov 12 22:40 |
| schestowitz | a lot of pro-gun people who follow jones didn't like what they did there and what he too did there | Nov 12 22:40 |
| Sosumi | coast to coast am, is just as bad | Nov 12 22:40 |
| schestowitz | here we have Icke | Nov 12 22:40 |
| schestowitz | a few others, but lesser known | Nov 12 22:40 |
| Sosumi | coast to coast am was arthur bell show | Nov 12 22:41 |
| Sosumi | same junk | Nov 12 22:41 |
| Sosumi | and even older than jones | Nov 12 22:41 |
| Sosumi | and still ongoing, although with a different guy | Nov 12 22:42 |
| Sosumi | Kony Expedition/ Ancient Mysteries | Nov 12 22:43 |
| Sosumi | Thursday November 7, 2013 | Nov 12 22:43 |
| Sosumi | In the first half, author and adventurer Robert Young Pelton discussed his Expedition Kony project, in which he plans to seek out the fugitive warlord and alleged mass murderer Joseph Kony, who is on the run in the jungles of Africa. In the... | Nov 12 22:43 |
| Sosumi | Host: George Noory | Nov 12 22:43 |
| Sosumi | Guest(s): Erich vonDaniken, Robert Young Pelton | Nov 12 22:43 |
| Sosumi | from november 7 | Nov 12 22:43 |
| Sosumi | wasn't that guy erich who got caught for falsifying tablets and the so called crystal skull from the mayas | Nov 12 22:43 |
| Sosumi | after the launch of his book "chariots of the gods" | Nov 12 22:44 |
| Sosumi | actually, back in the day, folks used to laugh saying that daniken had fallen from his chariot | Nov 12 22:44 |
| schestowitz | \\\\\\\kony LOL | Nov 12 22:44 |
| Sosumi | yeah CONA | Nov 12 22:44 |
| Sosumi | or kony | Nov 12 22:45 |
| Sosumi | lawl | Nov 12 22:45 |
| Sosumi | cona is tawt is portuguese, but never mind that | Nov 12 22:45 |
| Snowleaksange | ah i know robert young pleton | Nov 12 22:45 |
| Snowleaksange | thats the dangerous magazine guy | Nov 12 22:45 |
| Snowleaksange | http://dangerousmagazine.com/ | Nov 12 22:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | dangerousmagazine.com | Dangerous Magazine - For Those Who Live On The Edge | Nov 12 22:45 |
| Sosumi | never heard of him | Nov 12 22:47 |
| Sosumi | but from those talk radios | Nov 12 22:47 |
| Sosumi | I heard or read, don't remember | Nov 12 22:48 |
| Sosumi | that at least those about religion were tied to the CIA | Nov 12 22:48 |
| Sosumi | in order instil a sense of "fatalism" in the ppl | Nov 12 22:49 |
| Sosumi | like don't do anything because in the end god is going to save you | Nov 12 22:49 |
| Sosumi | basically disempowring them | Nov 12 22:49 |
| Snowleaksange | eh? religion is a cia plot? | Nov 12 22:49 |
| Sosumi | no, but it can be used for psychological warfare | Nov 12 22:50 |
| schestowitz | can? | Nov 12 22:50 |
| schestowitz | is | Nov 12 22:50 |
| Snowleaksange | i remember pelton tv interviews from few years ago during somali pirate spat | Nov 12 22:50 |
| schestowitz | I was in Church this last Sunday | Nov 12 22:50 |
| schestowitz | witnessing the crainwash | Nov 12 22:50 |
| schestowitz | it's interesting | Nov 12 22:50 |
| schestowitz | They used kids | Nov 12 22:50 |
| Sosumi | well, religion in itself is psychological warframe | Nov 12 22:50 |
| schestowitz | uploaded hours ago: http://schestowitz.com/royrianne/gallery/index.php/October-November-2013/Church-Album/st-patricks-church8 | Nov 12 22:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | schestowitz.com | st-patricks-church8 [ http://ur1.ca/g0wfw ] | Nov 12 22:51 |
| MinceR | competition among memes :> | Nov 12 22:51 |
| Sosumi | created by the priesthoods of the time and still used | Nov 12 22:51 |
| MinceR | nice effect | Nov 12 22:51 |
| schestowitz | when I go to church, which is not often, I feel a bit like a mole | Nov 12 22:51 |
| Snowleaksange | yeah but anything can be used for psychological warfare | Nov 12 22:51 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 12 22:51 |
| schestowitz | learning the rituals | Nov 12 22:51 |
| Snowleaksange | north korea uses stolen disney characters | Nov 12 22:51 |
| schestowitz | they really do nasty things to the children there, on stage, too... | Nov 12 22:52 |
| Sosumi | because no one said, other than the first priests, that we needed them as mediators between us, the profane and them the adept | Nov 12 22:52 |
| schestowitz | lock-in, fear-instilling, building friendships with imaginary things... | Nov 12 22:52 |
| MinceR | even without priests, religions are dangerous memes | Nov 12 22:52 |
| schestowitz | dangerous to the people | Nov 12 22:53 |
| schestowitz | not to those in power | Nov 12 22:53 |
| Sosumi | exactly | Nov 12 22:53 |
| MinceR | dangerous to the minds it infects | Nov 12 22:53 |
| schestowitz | but the assumption is that to the weak and miserable religion offer a second chance, a next world | Nov 12 22:53 |
| MinceR | corrupting methods of thought, giving wrong but very strongly believed answers to various questions | Nov 12 22:53 |
| schestowitz | I think religion is not derived from authority seeking but from people's lust for eternal life or fear of death | Nov 12 22:54 |
| schestowitz | later it can get miused | Nov 12 22:54 |
| MinceR | pitting people against each other | Nov 12 22:54 |
| Snowleaksange | spiritiualism is evolutionarily adaptive and religions are outgrowths of that | Nov 12 22:54 |
| Sosumi | remember fellow cristians, when the fellow tsa agent pats you down or the evil policeman beats your wife and shoots your dog | Nov 12 22:54 |
| schestowitz | from worshipping the sun to worshipping and building pyramids to God-like "kings' | Nov 12 22:54 |
| MinceR | yeah, fear of death is a strong motivator | Nov 12 22:54 |
| Sosumi | recite romans 13 | Nov 12 22:54 |
| MinceR | fear of the unknown is another | Nov 12 22:54 |
| MinceR | oh, and fear of different people | Nov 12 22:54 |
| schestowitz | religion justifies it | Nov 12 22:55 |
| schestowitz | esp. if they are genetically similar | Nov 12 22:55 |
| schestowitz | likle catholics and protestants in Irland | Nov 12 22:55 |
| Sosumi | "And do this, understanding the present time: The hour has already come for you to wake up from your slumber, because our salvation is nearer now than when we first believed." | Nov 12 22:55 |
| schestowitz | *Ireland | Nov 12 22:55 |
| schestowitz | So it can divide WITHIn a race, too | Nov 12 22:55 |
| schestowitz | Mormons, Jehovag;s Witnesses, etc. | Nov 12 22:55 |
| Snowleaksange | for better or worse god-fun-times are part of humanity | Nov 12 22:56 |
| schestowitz | They wasted hours of our time by approaching us when we couldn't run away, I always fainted at the time | Nov 12 22:56 |
| schestowitz | teenage "elders" | Nov 12 22:56 |
| Sosumi | yeah, well it's kind of similar to voting, after swalling the frog, by each day that passes you're closer to voting time again | Nov 12 22:56 |
| Sosumi | and again in hope of "change that can be believed in" | Nov 12 22:56 |
| schestowitz | But we got a thick book of mormon.. another thing I can defecate on.. | Nov 12 22:56 |
| Sosumi | you vote again | Nov 12 22:56 |
| Sosumi | and again | Nov 12 22:57 |
| Sosumi | and again | Nov 12 22:57 |
| Sosumi | constantly in hope | Nov 12 22:57 |
| schestowitz | Hope is good | Nov 12 22:57 |
| schestowitz | For everyone | Nov 12 22:57 |
| Sosumi | until it's time to depart this earthly existance | Nov 12 22:57 |
| Sosumi | :P | Nov 12 22:57 |
| Sosumi | hope is | Nov 12 22:57 |
| schestowitz | But it's a hollow thing | Nov 12 22:57 |
| Sosumi | false hope not | Nov 12 22:57 |
| schestowitz | And "faith" | Nov 12 22:57 |
| schestowitz | like faith in Mossad/CIA agent Uri Geller, let's pretend people can do telepathy and shit... | Nov 12 22:58 |
| Sosumi | faith is actually hollow | Nov 12 22:58 |
| schestowitz | a lot of people still "believe" in him | Nov 12 22:58 |
| Sosumi | because you're basing it on dogmas, things that you can't question, according to the priesthood | Nov 12 22:58 |
| schestowitz | and if they believe this propaganda figureheard, they'll believe anything | Nov 12 22:58 |
| Sosumi | actually dogmas are like axioms in math | Nov 12 22:59 |
| schestowitz | men who walk on water and get risen to the sky | Nov 12 22:59 |
| Sosumi | you don't question them nor you demo them | Nov 12 22:59 |
| MinceR | 235657 < schestowitz> But we got a thick book of mormon.. another thing I can defecate on.. | Nov 12 22:59 |
| MinceR | it will get stuck in the toilet | Nov 12 22:59 |
| Sosumi | because they're all the basis for the stuff | Nov 12 22:59 |
| Sosumi | the sun walks on water and get risen into the sky | Nov 12 22:59 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: yes, so it's kept in some drawer for now, maybe I'll toss it in the toilegt of someone I don't like | Nov 12 22:59 |
| schestowitz | [after defecating on it ] :-) | Nov 12 23:00 |
| Sosumi | to die again and be reborn on the next day | Nov 12 23:00 |
| Sosumi | *gets | Nov 12 23:00 |
| MinceR | it can also be used as a weight | Nov 12 23:00 |
| Sosumi | the bible is written in the stars, you got to understand astrology in order to lift the veil | Nov 12 23:01 |
| Sosumi | that's how my teacher used to say | Nov 12 23:01 |
| Sosumi | you have to be initiated into the mysteries | Nov 12 23:01 |
| MinceR | i guess you could create an arbitrary measurement unit so that some measurement of some stars results in a number that is the binary encoding of some version of the bible | Nov 12 23:01 |
| MinceR | doesn't mean anything | Nov 12 23:02 |
| Sosumi | i just means celestial events | Nov 12 23:02 |
| Sosumi | nothing more | Nov 12 23:02 |
| Sosumi | catholicism is a recolection of previous solar and lunar cults | Nov 12 23:02 |
| MinceR | and a lot of newly made-up crap | Nov 12 23:03 |
| Sosumi | yep | Nov 12 23:03 |
| MinceR | like rules that the pope wanted to force on people | Nov 12 23:03 |
| schestowitz | celestial events as we see them from so far apart can be easily predicted years ahead of time | Nov 12 23:03 |
| Snowleaksange | im panbabylonist | Nov 12 23:03 |
| schestowitz | supernovas, collisions, orbits... | Nov 12 23:03 |
| MinceR | what's a panbabylonist? | Nov 12 23:03 |
| Sosumi | yep yep | Nov 12 23:03 |
| Snowleaksange | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Panbabylonism | Nov 12 23:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Panbabylonism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g0wik ] | Nov 12 23:03 |
| schestowitz | It's like treating mountains as dice | Nov 12 23:03 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 12 23:03 |
| Sosumi | the system we actually have today | Nov 12 23:04 |
| MinceR | i think i've seen at least one bit of this theory | Nov 12 23:04 |
| Sosumi | was perfected during the babylonian times | Nov 12 23:04 |
| MinceR | not surprising | Nov 12 23:04 |
| Sosumi | and has many incarnations | Nov 12 23:05 |
| Sosumi | wrong | Nov 12 23:06 |
| schestowitz | Kevin Turner spoke to this guy who works for Slashdot now | Nov 12 23:07 |
| schestowitz | http://www.cio.com/article/448673/Q_A_Microsoft_COO_Kevin_Turner_Talks_Cloud_Computing_ | Nov 12 23:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cio.com | Q&A: Microsoft COO Kevin Turner Talks Cloud Computing - CIO.com [ http://ur1.ca/g0wj6 ] | Nov 12 23:07 |
| schestowitz | https://www.google.co.uk/?gws_rd=cr&ei=KbSCUrLyD7O10QW0wYHIAQ#q=Kevin+Fogarty+microsoft http://slashdot.org/topic/author/kevin-fogarty/ | Nov 12 23:07 |
| Sosumi | I should say metastasis like if it was a cancer | Nov 12 23:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.google.co.uk | Google [ http://ur1.ca/g0wj7 ] | Nov 12 23:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | slashdot.org | Kevin Fogarty - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/g0wjb ] | Nov 12 23:07 |
| Sosumi | and those cults were not also the first spin doctors and king advisors | Nov 12 23:08 |
| Sosumi | but also the first intelligence agencies | Nov 12 23:08 |
| Sosumi | worth checking | Nov 12 23:08 |
| Sosumi | or ask Ron Paul and those southern jurisdiction how the bell is going | Nov 12 23:10 |
| Sosumi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=dkyfkqClECU#t=228 | Nov 12 23:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | The Brotherhood Of The Bell (1970) Full Movie secret society/cult illuminati conspiracy - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g0wjy ] | Nov 12 23:10 |
| Sosumi | I have that one in betamax | Nov 12 23:11 |
| *Sosumi feels ancient :( | Nov 12 23:11 | |
| sebsebseb | Sosumi: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Mark-Shuttleworth-Apologizes-for-the-Trademark-Infringement-Letter-Sent-to-Fixubuntu-com-398583.shtml | Nov 12 23:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | news.softpedia.com | Mark Shuttleworth Apologizes for the Trademark Infringement Letter Sent to Fixubuntu.com [ http://ur1.ca/g0wkh ] | Nov 12 23:14 |
| MinceR | hm, apparently they still notice pr backlash some of the time :> | Nov 12 23:16 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: what's that Canonical? | Nov 12 23:17 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: http://news.softpedia.com/news/Mark-Shuttleworth-Apologizes-for-the-Trademark-Infringement-Letter-Sent-to-Fixubuntu-com-398583.shtml | Nov 12 23:17 |
| MinceR | indeed. | Nov 12 23:17 |
| sebsebseb | I just got onto the article about that | Nov 12 23:17 |
| MinceR | yes, i was referring to that. | Nov 12 23:17 |
| sebsebseb | so not quite sure what it's about, but I guess get the gist from it | Nov 12 23:17 |
| Sosumi | apologies are avoided not remedied, but after the love affair with M$, I'd say what I've said before | Nov 12 23:17 |
| Sosumi | screw moronical and shutleworm | Nov 12 23:17 |
| Sosumi | also, that isn't an apology | Nov 12 23:18 |
| Sosumi | it's just the guy asking to remove the ubuntu branding | Nov 12 23:18 |
| Snowleaksange | hah nice i read the wiki at least http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Brotherhood_of_the_Bell | Nov 12 23:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | The Brotherhood of the Bell - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/g0wl7 ] | Nov 12 23:19 |
| MinceR | well, shuttleworm did say "sorry" in his google+ post | Nov 12 23:19 |
| Sosumi | "It is Dunning, who is willing to return to Los Angeles with Patterson to help him expose the Brotherhood. As the ending credits roll, the voice of a news announcer reads the report of a Los Angeles-bound airliner crashing on takeoff in San Francisco with no survivors" | Nov 12 23:21 |
| Sosumi | :) | Nov 12 23:21 |
| Sosumi | common practice actually | Nov 12 23:21 |
| sebsebseb | in other news Linux voice | Nov 12 23:22 |
| sebsebseb | a new Linux magaine | Nov 12 23:22 |
| sebsebseb | by former LInux Format guys | Nov 12 23:22 |
| Snowleaksange | Linux Infinity is a good magazine name | Nov 12 23:22 |
| sebsebseb | crowd funding compagin | Nov 12 23:22 |
| Snowleaksange | lol i searched linuxinfinity.com which is taken but it gave me suggestion | Nov 12 23:23 |
| Snowleaksange | gnu-infinity.com which is available | Nov 12 23:23 |
| Snowleaksange | not bad | Nov 12 23:23 |
| Snowleaksange | tuxinfinity.com | Nov 12 23:24 |
| Snowleaksange | i guess synonym-dbs important feature for registrar portlas | Nov 12 23:24 |
| Sosumi | anything times infinity is still infinity :) | Nov 12 23:24 |
| Sosumi | not a bad name either | Nov 12 23:25 |
| Snowleaksange | linux-infinity.com, gnuinfinity.com linuxinfinity.xxx linuxinfinitude.org linuxcontinuum.com linux-forever.com opensourceinfinity.com opensourceinfinity.org freesoftwareinfinity.com | Nov 12 23:27 |
| Snowleaksange | i kinda like dashed domains | Nov 12 23:27 |
| MinceR | yeah, much better than powerGenitalia or expertSexchange | Nov 12 23:27 |
| MinceR | but then again, dashes reduce the probability of an user remembering the domain name | Nov 12 23:28 |
| MinceR | also, penisLand | Nov 12 23:28 |
| Sosumi | lol | Nov 12 23:28 |
| MinceR | http://www.citymaxblog.com/top-50-crappiest-domain-names-purchased/1240/ | Nov 12 23:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.citymaxblog.com | The Top 50 Worst and Most Embarrassing Domain Names Ever Purchased - CityMax Small Business Website Builder Blog | CityMax Small Business Website Builder Blog [ http://ur1.ca/g0wmw ] | Nov 12 23:28 |
| Sosumi | but that gave me an idea | Nov 12 23:29 |
| Snowleaksange | it starts getting pretty ridiculous to top infinity | Nov 12 23:29 |
| Snowleaksange | ie linux double infinity | Nov 12 23:29 |
| Snowleaksange | linux infinity infinity | Nov 12 23:29 |
| Sosumi | what if we created a diffamatory page on the net about the new mac pro | Nov 12 23:29 |
| Sosumi | with the registered domain | Nov 12 23:30 |
| Sosumi | www.buttplugpro.com | Nov 12 23:30 |
| MinceR | you could try other infinities | Nov 12 23:30 |
| MinceR | like the cardinality of the continuum :> | Nov 12 23:30 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 12 23:30 |
| Sosumi | and generate so much ruckos that apple would have to buy the thing | Nov 12 23:30 |
| Sosumi | not bad | Nov 12 23:30 |
| Sosumi | it kind of happened with the domain xbone.com | Nov 12 23:31 |
| Snowleaksange | maybe ill just register them all and program a phallanx of bots from different domains to follow me around on irc | Nov 12 23:31 |
| Sosumi | a phallanx | Nov 12 23:31 |
| Sosumi | I liked that term | Nov 12 23:32 |
| Snowleaksange | phalanx* | Nov 12 23:32 |
| Sosumi | well I'm going to bed | Nov 12 23:33 |
| Sosumi | gn | Nov 12 23:35 |
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| DaemonFC | It's not really Thanksgiving that's the problem so much. It's the day after Thanksgiving that really disgusts me. Compulsive Consumerism Day. People load up their cars and mini-vans and go trample other human beings to death over a $6 toaster and some third rate laptops that each Walmart got three of. If you ever need a commentary on the soul-sickness of this country, just watch what people do on Black Friday. | Nov 13 01:57 |
| DaemonFC | shared a link via Slashdot.org. | Nov 13 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | http://apple.slashdot.org/story/13/11/12/212239/apple-ii-dos-source-code-released?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=facebook | Nov 13 02:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | apple.slashdot.org | Apple II DOS Source Code Released - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/g0xj1 ] | Nov 13 02:09 |
| DaemonFC | This is an example of how proprietary software companies operate. They can't even let go of something that's older than I am under terms that respect user freedom. | Nov 13 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | The prohibition on commercial use means that the software has conditions of use, and is not Free (as in Freedom). | Nov 13 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | Also, **** Apple. | Nov 13 02:10 |
| DaemonFC | shared a link. | Nov 13 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Nov 13 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | http://punkerslut.com/articles/software_piracy_is_not_piracy.html | Nov 13 02:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | punkerslut.com | Software Piracy Is Not Piracy [ http://ur1.ca/g0xjt ] | Nov 13 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | I generally agree that the concept of "stealing" software is ridiculous, but his understanding of what the public domain is, is very flawed. | Nov 13 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | Even if software binaries ever end up in the public domain (Windows 95 will be in the 2060s, iirc, so have fun waiting for that.), they're nearly worthless, even as a historical curiosity. The entire point of a software company releasing binary-only programs is that they are not human readable. If Windows 95 binaries enter the public domain in the 2060s, nobody will know exactly how this seven decade old relic worked, even if they care to | Nov 13 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | find out. | Nov 13 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | The point of proprietary binary-only software is the total enslavement of every user that chooses to run it. That's why it must be rejected, and schools that teach software development should only teach students how to use Free software. Learning how to use proprietary software might qualify you to be some glorified button-pusher, but it won't teach you anything else. | Nov 13 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | I was going through some old programming manuals and found one that is so old, the pages are turning yellow. | Nov 13 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, it's a book on BASIC. I laughed when I opened it, about 20 years ago, and there was a sample program written in it, which puts the player in an X-Wing and has them destroy the Death Star, after making it through a screen of Tie Fighters, including Darth Vader's. | Nov 13 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | They changed the names of everything. Tie Fighters are Sky Fighters, and Darth Vader is Garth Raider, and so on. | Nov 13 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | And of course, Emperor Palpatine is Pope Emeritus Benedict XVI. Joking. | Nov 13 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | Of course BASIC is still a perfectly usable language. We have FreeBASIC now, and it has GTK+ bindings. You can use it to create real programs that actually do stuff, and have a GUI. | Nov 13 02:32 |
| DaemonFC | shared a link. | Nov 13 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Nov 13 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | http://tech.slashdot.org/story/13/11/12/223235/porn-surfing-execs-infecting-corporate-networks-with-malware | Nov 13 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | You see now, how your so-called Corporate Firewall counts for absolutely nothing. Your whole empire of exploitation comes crashing down....all because of one....little...Flash applet. | Nov 13 02:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | tech.slashdot.org | Porn-Surfing Execs Infecting Corporate Networks With Malware - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/g0xpj ] | Nov 13 02:47 |
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| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Nov 13 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | The Democratic Party doesn't like to give Senator Sanders much recognition. It's just as well. That would be too much like giving the Han Solo award to the Rebel Alliance. | Nov 13 03:05 |
| DaemonFC | (credit to Richard Stallman for that one, he used the line when he got the "Linus Torvalds award" on behalf of the Free Software Foundation.) | Nov 13 03:05 |
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| DaemonFC | Sweden is lucky that it doesn't share a border with the United States. We'd have too many desperate Americans running across the border into Sweden so they could commit a crime and receive an increase in their standard of living. | Nov 13 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | Two-thirds of the United States prison population is essentially in there for victimless crimes. I wonder how many of the remaining one-third didn't actually do anything at all except come across one of our corrupt courts. | Nov 13 03:28 |
| Snowleaksange | we need to blog about this stuff harder | Nov 13 03:32 |
| Snowleaksange | change is too slow | Nov 13 03:32 |
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| DaemonFC | Yay. I'm meeting a total stranger off the internet at 4 AM. | Nov 13 08:27 |
| DaemonFC | What could go wrong? | Nov 13 08:27 |
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| iophk | http://opensource.com/education/13/11/linux-kernel-community-growth | Nov 13 09:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | opensource.com | The Linux kernel community learns how to grow more penguins | opensource.com [ http://ur1.ca/g101f ] | Nov 13 09:29 |
| iophk | http://lifehacker.com/how-hard-is-it-to-switch-to-linux-1462916866 | Nov 13 09:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | lifehacker.com | How Hard Is It to Switch to Linux? [ http://ur1.ca/g101k ] | Nov 13 09:30 |
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| iophk | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/11/hammond-sentencing-memo/ | Nov 13 09:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | 10 Year Prison Term Sought for Anonymous Hacktivist Jeremy Hammond | Threat Level | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/g101p ] | Nov 13 09:31 |
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| iophk | another plea agreement, those are really getting abused | Nov 13 09:35 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 13 09:35 |
| schestowitz | seen it | Nov 13 09:35 |
| schestowitz | I have a better article in drafts | Nov 13 09:35 |
| iophk | cool | Nov 13 09:35 |
| schestowitz | the first link was sent by mail by the author to me | Nov 13 09:37 |
| iophk | excellent | Nov 13 09:37 |
| schestowitz | [00:30] <s-534> @schestowitz "firm’s infiltration, monitoring and | Nov 13 09:40 |
| schestowitz | [00:30] <s-534> surveillance of protesters and dissidents, | Nov 13 09:40 |
| schestowitz | [00:30] <s-534> especially in the Occupy movement" | Nov 13 09:40 |
| schestowitz | [00:30] <s-534> http://t.co/NI9NnF5h3a | Nov 13 09:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.truth-out.org | Chris Hedges | The Revolutionaries in Our Midst | Nov 13 09:40 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Bodyeuh/status/400561704590790656 | Nov 13 09:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Bodyeuh: As easy as 123 "@schestowitz: How Hard Is It to Switch to Linux? http://t.co/5BVT89Y3zZ #lifehacker a tad negative on #gnu #linux" | Nov 13 09:53 |
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| schestowitz | I honestly don't think he has much power anymore; his baby grew and got abducted by companies; like RMS vs. OSI et al. | Nov 13 09:53 |
| schestowitz | If one looks at how he opposes #swpats while the W3C (Apple, Microsoft, IBM+former Novell as CEO) boosts them, clearly->loss of power | Nov 13 09:55 |
| schestowitz | But it's only to be expected. I think he would try to convince himself that it's acceptable. | Nov 13 09:56 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400562412274728960 | Nov 13 09:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz yes, that's quite possible | Nov 13 09:56 |
| schestowitz | Don't count on the (cult of) personalities or put them on a pedestal. Money speaks; he hasn't much. | Nov 13 09:57 |
| schestowitz | Another case of point; Torvalds hates UEFI, but Intel pays his wage through LF, so UEFI Forum gets its way | Nov 13 09:57 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400561708197900288 | Nov 13 09:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz it's hard to see what can be done, except raising awareness and trying to make TimBL see what he's doing... | Nov 13 09:58 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3282145 | Nov 13 09:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux 3.13 To Support EFI On ARM http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTUxMDg | Nov 13 09:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Linux 3.13 To Support EFI On ARM [ http://ur1.ca/g0x0f ] | Nov 13 09:59 |
| schestowitz | "Oh, OK. It seemed about as useless as a row of toggle switches and blinkenlights." | Nov 13 09:59 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400564082522071040 | Nov 13 10:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz yes, seems to be Brendan Eich's view too | Nov 13 10:02 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3282584 | Nov 13 10:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Kaspersky: Russian Nuclear Plant Runs Windows, Gets Infected With Malware Developed by the #NSA (Stuxnet) http://techrights.org/2013/11/12/stuxnet-in-russia/ | Nov 13 10:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Kaspersky: Russian Nuclear Plant Runs Windows, Gets Infected With Malware Developed by the NSA (Stuxnet) | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g10a0 ] | Nov 13 10:07 |
| schestowitz | "Oh, snap ... the perils of outsourcing your technology." | Nov 13 10:07 |
| schestowitz | "Accidentally paid for software. Oops." | Nov 13 10:07 |
| schestowitz | "Rosatom dosproved it." | Nov 13 10:07 |
| schestowitz | Link? | Nov 13 10:07 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3282296 | Nov 13 10:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Spy Files 3: WikiLeaks Sheds More Light On The Global Surveillance Industry http://cis-india.org/internet-governance/blog/spy-files-three #india #wikileaks | Nov 13 10:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> cis-india.org | Spy Files 3: WikiLeaks Sheds More Light On The Global Surveillance Industry — Centre for Internet and Society [ http://ur1.ca/g0uxu ] | Nov 13 10:08 |
| schestowitz | http://boingboing.net/2013/11/12/the-original-nsa-whistleblower.html | Nov 13 10:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | boingboing.net | The original NSA whistleblower - Boing Boing [ http://ur1.ca/g10a3 ] | Nov 13 10:08 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3282201 | Nov 13 10:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "the idea that freedom was consistent with the procedures of totalitarianism was self-evidently false." -Moglen http://memex.naughtons.org/archives/2013/11/12/19307 | Nov 13 10:11 |
| schestowitz | "The talks can be found here: http://www.snowdenandthefuture.info/events.html " | Nov 13 10:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> memex.naughtons.org | Memex 1.1 » Blog Archive » Snowden and the Future: what’s really at stake | Nov 13 10:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.snowdenandthefuture.info | Eben Moglen: Snowden and the Future - Events [ http://ur1.ca/g10al ] | Nov 13 10:11 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3280073 | Nov 13 10:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Your Face and Name Will Appear in Google Ads Starting Today http://gizmodo.com/googles-going-to-start-sticking-your-face-and-name-in-1443861985/1462317340/@ace advertisers get more aggressive over time | Nov 13 10:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> gizmodo.com | Your Face and Name Will Appear in Google Ads Starting Today [ http://ur1.ca/g0qt6 ] | Nov 13 10:11 |
| schestowitz | "JFK? Thanks! A fuzzy picture is like a Roche test." | Nov 13 10:11 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3282268 | Nov 13 10:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Video Showing Off Hawaii Desktop Running On Wayland http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=MTUxMDk #wayland #linux | Nov 13 10:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Video Showing Off Hawaii Desktop Running On Wayland [ http://ur1.ca/g10ar ] | Nov 13 10:12 |
| schestowitz | "Compatibility with legacy software, namely the X applications. When XWayland is finally merged, it will take only the time required to integrate with distributions." | Nov 13 10:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Lichtschachtel/status/400567197774270464 | Nov 13 10:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Lichtschachtel: @schestowitz the new design of #tuxmachines makes the site look a bit like early 90ies. Esp. the background image. Otherwise good work! | Nov 13 10:15 |
| schestowitz | Yes, I know the bg image is bad and I don't fancy it, either. It's just a xmas thing, to last another 7 weeks... | Nov 13 10:16 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/Lichtschachtel/status/400572829805969408 | Nov 13 10:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Lichtschachtel: @schestowitz gr8! Maybe you would also consider to left-justify the article headings again as centering them gives an uneasy reading exp. | Nov 13 10:45 |
| schestowitz | I'll do this next time I access the server (with nano) | Nov 13 10:46 |
| MinceR | geekings | Nov 13 11:17 |
| iophk | Centered article headings seems ok. | Nov 13 11:49 |
| iophk | *seem | Nov 13 11:49 |
| iophk | It helps separate the title visually from the other heading information. | Nov 13 11:49 |
| iophk | IMHO it would be more important to tune scope and style. | Nov 13 11:50 |
| schestowitz | yeah, but.. | Nov 13 12:27 |
| schestowitz | this one person does not agree | Nov 13 12:27 |
| iophk | Yet another puff piece. I start to question Wired now. | Nov 13 12:40 |
| iophk | http://www.wired.com/business/2013/11/bill-gates-bill-clinton-wired/ | Nov 13 12:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | Bill Gates and President Bill Clinton on the NSA, Safe Sex, and American Exceptionalism | Wired Business | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/g1181 ] | Nov 13 12:40 |
| schestowitz | Wired is reaching new lows | Nov 13 12:52 |
| schestowitz | BTW, some people who worked for clolinton now work for GHates | Nov 13 12:52 |
| schestowitz | for money | Nov 13 12:52 |
| schestowitz | Gate sis in politics | Nov 13 12:52 |
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| iophk | Yes he's been heading into politics more and more. | Nov 13 12:54 |
| iophk | It's troubling that clinton is helping him out now | Nov 13 12:55 |
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| schestowitz | Just because Clinton was less abusive than Bushobama? | Nov 13 13:42 |
| iophk | Because it's general help in politics. | Nov 13 13:46 |
| Sosumi | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/11/13/0358206/facebook-patented-making-nsa-data-handoffs-easier?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter | Nov 13 14:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | yro.slashdot.org | Facebook Patented Making NSA Data Handoffs Easier - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/g1236 ] | Nov 13 14:55 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.osnews.com/story/27416/The_second_operating_system_hiding_in_every_mobile_phone | Nov 13 14:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.osnews.com | The second operating system hiding in every mobile phone [ http://ur1.ca/g1225 ] | Nov 13 14:56 |
| MinceR | i thought this went away with modern mobile OS-es... surprise! | Nov 13 14:58 |
| MinceR | (after all, there was some discussion at some time about how realtime patches to Linux enable running the baseband on the same core as the applications... | Nov 13 14:59 |
| MinceR | ...and they stopped talking of radio-oriented CPU cores as another core) | Nov 13 14:59 |
| MinceR | how does this affect the OpenMoko phones and the New900 phone? | Nov 13 15:00 |
| Sosumi | no idea | Nov 13 15:01 |
| MinceR | hm, one of the comments elucidates it somewhat | Nov 13 15:02 |
| Sosumi | I just linked that because there might be backdoors built in the firmware | Nov 13 15:02 |
| MinceR | "In every phone I'm aware of except the OpenMoko Freerunner (which uses RS-232), the baseband speaks to the "main" SoC through DMA. That's what really makes most smartphones impossible to truly secure." | Nov 13 15:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400632440625963008 | Nov 13 15:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz it would be great to get this out to your networks - http://t.co/idtkF2LBTE they don't want people to know what's in TPP... | Nov 13 15:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> keionline.org | KEI analysis of Wikileaks leak of TPP IPR text, from August 30, 2013 | Knowledge Ecology International | Nov 13 15:02 |
| schestowitz | I have been filled to the rim with other topics; never really covered TPP, don't know enough... | Nov 13 15:02 |
| MinceR | i wonder if it's possible to shut down the baseband processor on a phone you use only as a PDA | Nov 13 15:03 |
| MinceR | and how | Nov 13 15:04 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400640212608376833 | Nov 13 15:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz well, basically ACTA+, will act as template for TAFTA/TTIP | Nov 13 15:05 |
| schestowitz | I spent a lot of time on ACTA, it hardly helped, too much $$$ at stake, like anti-war efforts | Nov 13 15:05 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400640212608376833 | Nov 13 15:06 |
| schestowitz | I am going to write about it later on; I alluded to it yesterday in #techrights but #tuxmachines is apolitical | Nov 13 15:07 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: Sosumi iophk just published this a few miinutes ago http://techrights.org/2013/11/13/phones-as-surveillance-devices/ | Nov 13 15:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | Google, Nokia, Samsung and Others Lie About Mobile Back Doors, Other Companies Don’t Even Answer the Questions Because They Are Worse | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g126j ] | Nov 13 15:08 |
| MinceR | saw it on the other channel | Nov 13 15:08 |
| schestowitz | Too bad I didn't see the OSNews article while I was still writing it, I'll shove this link into a followup article, maybe tomorrow | Nov 13 15:08 |
| MinceR | i guess i'll have to resume my efforts to root my Archos 43it | Nov 13 15:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400641274354479104 | Nov 13 15:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz it helped; we stopped it... | Nov 13 15:09 |
| schestowitz | ACTA was stopped only because many groups in many areas (pharma, arga, commece) got involved | Nov 13 15:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400641507889143808 | Nov 13 15:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz OK | Nov 13 15:10 |
| schestowitz | For some things, like SOPA, we need a mob in the street. That wouldn't work for #swpats (niche) | Nov 13 15:10 |
| schestowitz | In the US #swpats are off the agenda now (they speak of "trolls" and "bad patents"), so we lost this battle, for now. #bilski | Nov 13 15:11 |
| iophk | As more phone owners have smartphones, the tracking is going to be a bigger problem. | Nov 13 15:11 |
| Sosumi | yeah just read it | Nov 13 15:12 |
| iophk | Not just governments. I can see competitors wanting to get into meetings and board rooms that way. | Nov 13 15:12 |
| Sosumi | thx for linking | Nov 13 15:12 |
| Sosumi | it's nothing new | Nov 13 15:12 |
| Sosumi | but for those cell phones without removable battery | Nov 13 15:12 |
| Sosumi | just build a small cloth bag | Nov 13 15:12 |
| Sosumi | filled with alluminum sheets inside | Nov 13 15:13 |
| iophk | mylar ought to work too | Nov 13 15:13 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400642403880550400 | Nov 13 15:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz we need it for TPP and TAFTA... | Nov 13 15:14 |
| schestowitz | I've put this in a short post draft, but I don't know enough for informed opinion TBH | Nov 13 15:14 |
| Sosumi | as long as it is metalic | Nov 13 15:14 |
| schestowitz | usually I just link to analysis in Open Enterprise or TechDirt | Nov 13 15:15 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400643337197068288 | Nov 13 15:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz how can I argue with that...? | Nov 13 15:18 |
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| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/xamarin-and-microsoft-join-forces-to-take-visual-studio-to-ios-and-android/ | Nov 13 16:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Xamarin and Microsoft join forces to take Visual Studio to iOS and Android | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g12nr ] | Nov 13 16:27 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283858 | Nov 13 16:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: In science it often happens that scientists say, 'You know that's a really good argument; my position is mistaken,' and then they actually change their minds and you never hear that old view from them again. They really do it. It doesn't happen as often as it should, because scientists are human and change is sometimes painful. But it happens every day. I cannot recall the last time something like that hap | Nov 13 16:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by latomatemasquee@diasp.org: https://diasp.org/uploads/images/thumb_medium_be0ddad64acdcfe02349.jpg | Nov 13 16:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> homepage.eircom.net | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/g12nu ] | Nov 13 16:28 |
| schestowitz | "That seems normal to me in politic, because politic is not really about facts, but about what we want the reality to become. We don't want the same, that's why we disagree. If a fact is against my politic view, may be i will find another which fit better to support it." | Nov 13 16:28 |
| schestowitz | Sosumi: lovelt | Nov 13 16:30 |
| schestowitz | another article for tomorrow | Nov 13 16:30 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3284874 | Nov 13 16:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Miguel de Icaza=Microsoft http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2013/11/xamarin-and-microsoft-join-forces-to-take-visual-studio-to-ios-and-android/ http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Xamarin http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Miguel_de_Icaza | Nov 13 16:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Xamarin - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/4p9ia ] | Nov 13 16:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Miguel de Icaza - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/ai6i5 ] | Nov 13 16:30 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283735 | Nov 13 16:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #religion | Nov 13 16:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by eloi@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_fd20f05d1a87553869f5.jpg | Nov 13 16:31 |
| schestowitz | "It may exist a moment, in the future, when science will meet religion, in this particular matter... (flying, going to the moon, building an arch, building a flying arch)" | Nov 13 16:31 |
| schestowitz | "Practising science does not live outside politics or religion (or economics for that matter). Science is only perfect when you pretend it's just the platonic ideal, and that scientists are practitioners of an ideal where by definition nothing can be wrong with it. It's this same ignoring of the complex, less pleasant realities and only looking at the platonic ideal that many atheists ridicule theists for. Same thought patterns. | Nov 13 16:31 |
| schestowitz | Different labels. The problem isn't science or religion. It's critical thinking and understanding people." | Nov 13 16:31 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3284526 | Nov 13 16:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It Is Not Hard to Switch to GNU/Linux | Nov 13 16:32 |
| schestowitz | "@Jesse, yea, and find out that this old favorite software are just crap." | Nov 13 16:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | It Is Not Hard to Switch to GNU/Linux | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g12p8 ] | Nov 13 16:32 |
| schestowitz | "I have yet to find a replacement for my hobby specific software in Linux that can run under WINE. I'm as big a horn tooter for Linux as anyone but it still stands that unless the software is general and used by everyone, it's not going to be covered under Linux. To give three examples, Adobe Flash (alternatives stink), Echolink (has had trouble with WINE ever since I switched to Ubuntu in 2008), and a popular podcasting program I used | Nov 13 16:33 |
| schestowitz | to use (which was deprecated). It would include buttons in the GUI for sounds you could play while you were recording live. Audacity doesn't even come close to that. The only programs that are replaceable for Linux are general use. I like Blender and GIMP and Audacity and blah blah blah and I realize that lack of software isn't Linux's fault but the fact still remains that in the fields where special software is required, the lack of | Nov 13 16:33 |
| schestowitz | developers is a HUGE problem." | Nov 13 16:33 |
| schestowitz | "True, it is not hard to switch to GNU/Linux ...the only thing is hard is to change some little habits like the way to install apps, and accept (in some case) to put your hands in the engine (ex : install printer/graphical/wifi/blutooth drivers which are not managed by kernel, and something, even for confirmed user it can be a little difficult, e.g. I have this experience with Brother DCP-130C printer on GNU/Linux Mint 13 & 15 on my | Nov 13 16:33 |
| schestowitz | cousin computer : first search drivers, then follow install steps, then test it (ok on mint13 and ko on mint15 which doesn't recognized the printer pluged) in this case the user can be frustrated and go back to windows...)" | Nov 13 16:33 |
| schestowitz | "all adobe CS6 products run under wine, with the correct configuration, iv´e used them, without troubles, just see the wine AppDB ... iv´en using linux for 3 or 4 years, and after a while, you get used to it. GIMP and Inkscape anyway, dont have anything to envy to adobe, but has i already say, if you dont like it, adove CS6 products work well. Autodesk Autocad 2008, and 3ds max 2008 run smooth as well. sketchup make runs and install | Nov 13 16:34 |
| schestowitz | great." | Nov 13 16:34 |
| schestowitz | "microsoft office 2010 runs great to. iv´e tested exel, word, power point for a while, and my mom uses them everyday, withouth troubles, just get used to wine...." | Nov 13 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Initial setup can be done by another company/person IF it doesn't work perfectly out of the box (can choose PC that does work well from top to botton, like this laptop I use ATM) | Nov 13 16:34 |
| schestowitz | Can someone find more links on the Xamarin news? | Nov 13 16:43 |
| schestowitz | Not from a MS booster? | Nov 13 16:44 |
| schestowitz | It's showing Miguel climbing on ballmer's bed again | Nov 13 16:44 |
| Sosumi | authored by Dr pizza aka peter bright | Nov 13 16:47 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283750 | Nov 13 16:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Germans seek their own internet after NSA spying revelations | Nov 13 16:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theweek.co.uk | Germans seek their own internet after NSA spying revelations| NSA News | The Week UK [ http://ur1.ca/g12q9 ] | Nov 13 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Sosumi: yeah | Nov 13 16:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Brazil debates internet law in wake of NSA scandal [ http://ur1.ca/g12qa ] | Nov 13 16:47 |
| schestowitz | Sosumi: his role there is clear | Nov 13 16:48 |
| schestowitz | just look at what he covers and how | Nov 13 16:48 |
| schestowitz | pro patents, DRM, Microsoft, MPEG-LA, Mono, Vista 8... | Nov 13 16:48 |
| Sosumi | he's just a m$ schill | Nov 13 16:48 |
| schestowitz | It's like unofficial Microsoft Enderle | Nov 13 16:48 |
| schestowitz | "I know. I'd just like to see it..." | Nov 13 16:49 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283750 | Nov 13 16:49 |
| schestowitz | To Enderle's credit, he mostly stopped it, having gotten exposed | Nov 13 16:49 |
| schestowitz | Bright ain't that bright, he keeps showing who he works for | Nov 13 16:49 |
| schestowitz | calling MPEG cartel "open" and such.... reversing factual information and upsetting many not just in the FOSS world... Opera too | Nov 13 16:50 |
| iophk | Krill? | Nov 13 16:50 |
| iophk | http://www.infoworld.com/t/microsoft-net/xamarin-teams-microsoft-cross-platform-mobile-development-230730 | Nov 13 16:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | Xamarin teams with Microsoft on cross-platform mobile development | Microsoft net - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/g12tr ] | Nov 13 16:50 |
| iophk | Lock-in is now called cross-platform? | Nov 13 16:52 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3284526 | Nov 13 16:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: It Is Not Hard to Switch to GNU/Linux | Nov 13 16:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | It Is Not Hard to Switch to GNU/Linux | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g12p8 ] | Nov 13 16:57 |
| schestowitz | "If you start with a computer with no operating system, with a blank disk, Microsoft is a challenge to install. The first hurdle is to find appropriate installation media. They don't pack a CDROM with every computer any more." | Nov 13 16:57 |
| schestowitz | iophk: Krill is biased also | Nov 13 16:57 |
| schestowitz | He covers lots of MS "open" | Nov 13 16:57 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft used him a lot some years ago | Nov 13 16:57 |
| iophk | So there is no real coverage of the news. | Nov 13 16:57 |
| schestowitz | e.g. after gpl violations | Nov 13 16:58 |
| schestowitz | iophk: yes, expected | Nov 13 16:58 |
| schestowitz | maybe Sam Varghese will address the issue in a few days | Nov 13 16:58 |
| schestowitz | and michael larabel maybe | Nov 13 16:58 |
| schestowitz | though he's increasingly being convinced that mono news belongs in ms sites, not phoronix | Nov 13 16:58 |
| schestowitz | Sean Kernel does not cover it much anymore, but he used to | Nov 13 16:59 |
| schestowitz | Paul Ryan, the drpizza colleague, had also helped Mono back in the days | Nov 13 16:59 |
| schestowitz | Check out Mary JF blog | Nov 13 16:59 |
| schestowitz | I bet she'll cover it, lip service calling MS "open" because they help Miguel infact osux, ios and android | Nov 13 17:00 |
| schestowitz | I say it based on experience | Nov 13 17:00 |
| schestowitz | thinking back to who typically covers it | Nov 13 17:00 |
| schestowitz | like the "hit list" for miguel's and Microsoft's marketing team | Nov 13 17:00 |
| Sosumi | wait, is there someone called Sean Kernel | Nov 13 17:01 |
| Sosumi | lol | Nov 13 17:01 |
| schestowitz | Kerner | Nov 13 17:02 |
| schestowitz | oops | Nov 13 17:02 |
| schestowitz | he covers lots of kernel news | Nov 13 17:02 |
| schestowitz | good guy | Nov 13 17:02 |
| Sosumi | :) | Nov 13 17:02 |
| schestowitz | except when he helped Novell and Mono.. | Nov 13 17:02 |
| schestowitz | these days he retweets me sometimes, no tensions there... | Nov 13 17:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283753 | Nov 13 17:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: John McCain says NSA chief Keith Alexander 'should resign or be fired' http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/nov/10/john-mccain-nsa-keith-alexander-snowden publicity stunt? | Nov 13 17:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | John McCain says NSA chief Keith Alexander 'should resign or be fired' | World news | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/g12ql ] | Nov 13 17:03 |
| schestowitz | "I was thinking of the money laundering and racketeering and such." | Nov 13 17:03 |
| Sosumi | outside of Bright, Larabel and Icaza guy I have no idea who the others are | Nov 13 17:03 |
| Sosumi | wasn't Warnutts MacCain meeting with syrian terrorists and promising them weapons and cash | Nov 13 17:04 |
| schestowitz | I heard sp | Nov 13 17:05 |
| schestowitz | and some say he broke the law | Nov 13 17:05 |
| schestowitz | and should thus be droned | Nov 13 17:05 |
| schestowitz | by the CIA :-) | Nov 13 17:05 |
| schestowitz | But different rules apply to poltiicians | Nov 13 17:05 |
| schestowitz | posred 2 mins ago https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285016 | Nov 13 17:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When a political & legal systems are both run by lawyers, it is no wonder that we rarely hear of lawyers (e.g. politicians, judges) in jail | Nov 13 17:05 |
| Sosumi | so why wanting to fire to Keith, they should be best buddies and snif each other xfing xfing | Nov 13 17:05 |
| Sosumi | unless that firing means a promotion to somewhere else | Nov 13 17:06 |
| schestowitz | both come from military | Nov 13 17:06 |
| Sosumi | which it usually does | Nov 13 17:06 |
| schestowitz | and think like war commanders | Nov 13 17:06 |
| schestowitz | esp. with the espionage angle, trying to justify murders they commit | Nov 13 17:06 |
| schestowitz | both were o | Nov 13 17:06 |
| schestowitz | h | Nov 13 17:06 |
| schestowitz | high-level commanders | Nov 13 17:07 |
| schestowitz | the US links military to domestic and foreign surveillance | Nov 13 17:07 |
| schestowitz | why nnot arm all NSA staff with assault rifles too? | Nov 13 17:07 |
| schestowitz | or given soldiers in Iraq a laptop with crackign kits? | Nov 13 17:07 |
| schestowitz | If those two divisions are so incestuous... | Nov 13 17:07 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/400668872832847872 | Nov 13 17:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz thanks | Nov 13 17:08 |
| Sosumi | I see | Nov 13 17:08 |
| Sosumi | but if Keith goes out of the NSA, that means he'll just receive a new position elsewhere | Nov 13 17:08 |
| Sosumi | in government agency or in the private sector | Nov 13 17:09 |
| Sosumi | as it usual happens | Nov 13 17:09 |
| schestowitz | he might leave... to spend less time with your family | Nov 13 17:10 |
| schestowitz | and more with his | Nov 13 17:10 |
| schestowitz | didn't check his age in wikipedia | Nov 13 17:10 |
| schestowitz | but even if he retired, like Patreaus, he'd be consulting to someone, so still doing damage for a salary as armchair lieutenant | Nov 13 17:10 |
| schestowitz | See Kinssinger | Nov 13 17:11 |
| Sosumi | or brezenski | Nov 13 17:11 |
| schestowitz | So old yet so villainous even when not elected... he has his own fiem now working politically in the shadows | Nov 13 17:11 |
| Sosumi | *brzezinski | Nov 13 17:11 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Nov 13 17:12 |
| schestowitz | I showed his photo to my wife the other dau | Nov 13 17:12 |
| schestowitz | because it comes up when searching my name in Google Images | Nov 13 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Anyway, Clapper doesn't get enough flak | Nov 13 17:12 |
| schestowitz | He is more corrupt than Keith A | Nov 13 17:12 |
| schestowitz | He just isn't as high up | Nov 13 17:12 |
| schestowitz | Not publicly | Nov 13 17:12 |
| Sosumi | http://scifitness.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/roy-schestowitz-6.jpg | Nov 13 17:13 |
| Sosumi | is taht you? | Nov 13 17:13 |
| schestowitz | yes [didn't look | Nov 13 17:13 |
| Sosumi | terminator schestowitz | Nov 13 17:13 |
| schestowitz | out of shape | Nov 13 17:13 |
| Sosumi | :P | Nov 13 17:14 |
| Sosumi | I do bodybuilding too | Nov 13 17:14 |
| Sosumi | but I'm nowhere near that | Nov 13 17:14 |
| schestowitz | o got lazy when i started my phd | Nov 13 17:14 |
| Sosumi | I'm not lazy, but the only I'm able to go workout is if do it before classes | Nov 13 17:15 |
| Sosumi | and that means I need to get up at 5:00 every single morning | Nov 13 17:16 |
| schestowitz | I used to do that in school towards the end | Nov 13 17:16 |
| schestowitz | they had a small crappy gym there | Nov 13 17:16 |
| schestowitz | the rest I did at home, sometimes in some gyms | Nov 13 17:16 |
| Sosumi | gladly I have a nice gym just a street across from the university | Nov 13 17:17 |
| Sosumi | near the russian embassy here in lisbon btw | Nov 13 17:17 |
| schestowitz | now I mostly spend the time in the gym (once in two days) resting and typing on the tablet, or doing cardio with my wife... no real routine anymore, just messing about for half the time I used to. Diet is also not srict anymore, had a whole pack of peanuts today between meals | Nov 13 17:17 |
| schestowitz | In RFussian Embassy, gmy goes to YOU | Nov 13 17:18 |
| Sosumi | :) | Nov 13 17:18 |
| schestowitz | wow, just got another mail from redhat | Nov 13 17:19 |
| schestowitz | their people spam me because I run tuxmachines | Nov 13 17:19 |
| schestowitz | they try to make me link to opensource.com | Nov 13 17:19 |
| schestowitz | now to promote SELinxu (NSA) | Nov 13 17:19 |
| schestowitz | > Subject: Dog and cat SELinux analogy from Opensource.com | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > Date: Wednesday, November 13, 2013, 10:12:41 AM | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > From: Ginny Skalski <gskalski@redhat.com> | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > Hi Tuxmachines, | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > Thank you for picking up a few of our posts this week. Sorry to be bombarding | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > your inbox, but we have another Linux-related post this morning that I believe | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > your readers will really appreciate. It's an explanation of the SELinux | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > primary model using illustrations of cats and dogs to explain. You have to see | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > it to understand, but I think your readers will get a kick out of it: | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > Your visual how-to guide for SELinux policy enforcement | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > https://opensource.com/business/13/11/selinux-policy-guide | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > | Nov 13 17:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | opensource.com | Your visual how-to guide for SELinux policy enforcement | opensource.com [ http://ur1.ca/g130r ] | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > Many Thanks, | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | > Ginny | Nov 13 17:20 |
| Sosumi | who's Ginny? | Nov 13 17:20 |
| schestowitz | no idea... | Nov 13 17:21 |
| schestowitz | sounds like a fake name :-) | Nov 13 17:21 |
| Sosumi | indeed | Nov 13 17:21 |
| schestowitz | but the email addy suggests it's real | Nov 13 17:21 |
| schestowitz | maybe short for something like Gregory Skalski | Nov 13 17:21 |
| schestowitz | !google Skalski red hat | Nov 13 17:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - Ginny Skalski | LinkedIn | http://www.linkedin.com/in/ginnyskal | Nov 13 17:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - Re: [Osdc-list] Contribute to our new weekly feature - Red Hat | https://www.redhat.com/archives/osdc-list/2013-July/msg00005.html | Nov 13 17:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Interview with Red Hat CIO Lee Congdon | opensource.com | http://opensource.com/business/13/10/interview-lee-congdon-red-hat-cio | Nov 13 17:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - open source news | opensource.com | http://opensource.com/tags/open-source-news | Nov 13 17:22 |
| schestowitz | "Marketing Specialist for Opensource.com at Red Hat" | Nov 13 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Blech | Nov 13 17:22 |
| schestowitz | Now I feel even more violated | Nov 13 17:22 |
| Sosumi | yeah she's real | Nov 13 17:22 |
| schestowitz | My techrights side says I should say this in twitter | Nov 13 17:22 |
| schestowitz | that they do PR like this | Nov 13 17:23 |
| schestowitz | link pushers | Nov 13 17:23 |
| schestowitz | I already blew off red hat's marketing people | Nov 13 17:24 |
| schestowitz | asking them with strongly worded replies to stop spamming me | Nov 13 17:24 |
| Sosumi | but it appears that they're still doing it | Nov 13 17:25 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285084 | Nov 13 17:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Red Hat's marketing staff is acting like all those "link pushers" which I dislike so much. Even in #tuxmachines - I wish they would stop. | Nov 13 17:25 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3283676 | Nov 13 17:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Schools: device for indoctrinating children for the corporate world http://www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/30003161/film-group-backs-antipiracy-curriculum | Nov 13 17:25 |
| schestowitz | "I know a teacher who is forced to use pirated software in the school's computer pool due to budget cuts." | Nov 13 17:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.stuff.co.nz | Film group backs antipiracy curriculum | Stuff.co.nz [ http://ur1.ca/g131q ] | Nov 13 17:25 |
| schestowitz | iophk: take a load http://www.zdnet.com/why-theres-no-good-reason-to-buy-a-chromebook-7000023009/ | Nov 13 17:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zdnet.com | Why there's no good reason to buy a Chromebook | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/g137c ] | Nov 13 17:35 |
| Sosumi | actually there is one good reason | Nov 13 17:36 |
| Sosumi | specially if we're talking about the high end model | Nov 13 17:36 |
| Sosumi | to install gnu/linux | Nov 13 17:37 |
| Sosumi | and don't go into S&M in order to get the windows tax refund | Nov 13 17:37 |
| iophk | schestowitz: yeah, they're frightened of chrombooks. | Nov 13 17:55 |
| iophk | Or maybe of anything without M$ | Nov 13 17:56 |
| iophk | Though I think that the chromebook's best market is the low end. | Nov 13 17:56 |
| iophk | High end has only the pixel. | Nov 13 17:57 |
| iophk | The Chromebook as marketed is almost more of a thin client. | Nov 13 17:58 |
| iophk | At least all the storage is intended to be locked into Google. | Nov 13 17:58 |
| iophk | sosumi: the high end model is nice, but pricey | Nov 13 17:59 |
| iophk | http://www.computerweekly.com/blogs/public-sector/2013/11/conservatives-erase-internet-h.html | Nov 13 18:02 |
| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2013/nov/13/conservative-party-archive-speeches-internet | Nov 13 18:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerweekly.com | Conservatives erase Internet history - Public Sector IT [ http://ur1.ca/g11ig ] | Nov 13 18:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Conservative party deletes archive of speeches from internet | Politics | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/g13h1 ] | Nov 13 18:02 |
| schestowitz | iophk: seen it 10 mins ago | Nov 13 18:04 |
| iophk | ok | Nov 13 18:04 |
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| schestowitz | > i read your post at http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/61660 | Nov 13 18:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tuxmachines.org | Theme, Ads, Format, Scope, Etc. | Tux Machines | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > but i have a question, the background theme loads the webpage a bit | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > slowly on some devices like cellphones, and off course many other | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > countries like my India have a very very slow internet connection and | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > thus it takes a longer time to load the webpage although it is of | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > fraction of seconds, and one more thing i want to say that there are | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > very less websites related to open source and Linux movement, i | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > appreciate your work towards tuxmachines.The poll thing in previous | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > tuxmachines was a very good choice but my opinion is that you should | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | > continue to poll.thanks. | Nov 13 18:47 |
| schestowitz | The only images I added to the theme are very small, some are like 1 KB or something around that region. I don't plan to push beyond that. Rendering speed for pages ought to be similar too, as I didn't add up anything which hits CPU/RAM at either side (server and client). | Nov 13 18:47 |
| MinceR | http://rt.com/usa/seattle-mesh-network-disabled-676/ | Nov 13 18:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | rt.com | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/g13r1 ] | Nov 13 18:55 |
| schestowitz | Fedlecting to Russia and China: http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/technology-science/technology/terminator-robots-calls-ban-drones-2786333 | Nov 13 18:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.mirror.co.uk | Terminator Robots: Calls for ban on drones 'which can select their own targets to kill' - Mirror Online [ http://ur1.ca/g13r7 ] | Nov 13 18:56 |
| MinceR | http://www.pidjin.net/2012/09/20/reality-show/ | Nov 13 18:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.pidjin.net | Reality show « Fredo and Pidjin. The Webcomic. [ http://ur1.ca/g13ro ] | Nov 13 18:59 |
| schestowitz | http://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/bob-flores-former-cto-of-the-cia-to-keynote-csa-congress-2013-231734641.html | Nov 13 19:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.prnewswire.com | Bob Flores, Former CTO of the CIA, to Keynote CSA Congress 2013 -- ORLANDO, Fla., Nov. 13, 2013 /PRNewswire-USNewswire/ -- [ http://ur1.ca/g13u4 ] | Nov 13 19:10 |
| schestowitz | !google cia collect everything forever | Nov 13 19:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - CIA Has Plan to 'Collect Everything and Hang on to it Forever ... | https://www.commondreams.org/headline/2013/03/21-2 | Nov 13 19:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - CIA's big data mission: 'Collect everything and hang onto it forever ... | http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2013/03/21/cias-big-data-mission-collect-everything-and-hang-onto-it-forever/ | Nov 13 19:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - CIA's Tech Head on Your Data: 'We Try To Collect Everything - Gawker | http://gawker.com/5991731/ | Nov 13 19:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - CIA's Gus Hunt On Big Data: We 'Try To Collect Everything And ... | http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/03/20/cia-gus-hunt-big-data_n_2917842.html | Nov 13 19:10 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: posted the seattle thing, thanks | Nov 13 19:10 |
| MinceR | np | Nov 13 19:10 |
| iophk | Isn't voice 8-bit, mono sound with a low sample rate? | Nov 13 19:11 |
| iophk | The CIA could store a lot compressed. | Nov 13 19:14 |
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| sebsebseb | hi jono | Nov 13 19:20 |
| jono | hey sebsebseb | Nov 13 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | jono: are you doing your Q&A stil? | Nov 13 19:20 |
| jono | sebsebseb, changed the time to Tuesdays | Nov 13 19:20 |
| jono | did it yesterday | Nov 13 19:20 |
| jono | and I just did a session on 14.04 goals | Nov 13 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | some sort of Ubuntu 14.10 video or something on there now | Nov 13 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | looking like the Q&A | Nov 13 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | jono: yeah I just loaded that up there's a video | Nov 13 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | I thought you might have changed the day | Nov 13 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | jono: Tuesday at the same time? | Nov 13 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | why the daychange, better day for you? | Nov 13 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | jono: won't be there next Tuesday, I got to go toa organisers meeting, where we wlil decide on what distros and interfaces to have for an event | Nov 13 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | assuming it's the same time | Nov 13 19:23 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: TPP article out | Nov 13 19:23 |
| jono | sebsebseb, conflict | Nov 13 19:23 |
| jono | so I need to change it | Nov 13 19:23 |
| jono | gotta run, later | Nov 13 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | jono: ok bye for now | Nov 13 19:24 |
| jono | bye sebsebseb! :-) | Nov 13 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | jono: not sure why I am getting a :) ,but ok I guess :d | Nov 13 19:25 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: yeah | Nov 13 19:39 |
| schestowitz | and plenty more to come | Nov 13 19:39 |
| schestowitz | also see my twitter/diaspora feed | Nov 13 19:39 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: been following | Nov 13 19:41 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: absolutely horrendous | Nov 13 19:41 |
| schestowitz | censorship. against egenerics, copyrigth maximalism, EVERYTHING | Nov 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | in one big bundle | Nov 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | and Obama tried fast-tracking it through progress | Nov 13 19:44 |
| XFaCE | yep pretty much | Nov 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | like MS in ISO | Nov 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | with OOXML | Nov 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | While it was all secret | Nov 13 19:44 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: amazingly, he met resistance | Nov 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | like OOXML | Nov 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | before techrights leaked OOXML | Nov 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | someone leaked it through us | Nov 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | and we got legal threats for it, veiled threats | Nov 13 19:44 |
| schestowitz | so I took it down, they scared me | Nov 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | that was in 2008 | Nov 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | how can one fast-track something secret? | Nov 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Says a lot about who Obama serves... | Nov 13 19:45 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: didn't stop the bush admin :P | Nov 13 19:45 |
| XFaCE | heh | Nov 13 19:45 |
| XFaCE | yep | Nov 13 19:45 |
| schestowitz | Having the US as a trade partner is often like having Microsoft as a partner | Nov 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | one one side gains | Nov 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | and if you don't agree to give up, they do the Yang treatment on you | Nov 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | or invade you in other ways | Nov 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | moles, Icahn | Nov 13 19:46 |
| schestowitz | CIA, allgations of rape, coup, drone strikes, nuclear poisoning, public shaming with NSA-provided data | Nov 13 19:47 |
| iophk | old - http://darksleep.com/notablog/articles/Intellectual_Property_Is_Fraud | Nov 13 19:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | darksleep.com | Intellectual Property Is Fraud - darksleep.com/notablog [ http://ur1.ca/g142h ] | Nov 13 19:55 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285661 | Nov 13 20:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: RT @wikileaks #TPP contains "WikiLeaks" clause that criminalises non-profit publication of copyrighted docs http://t.co/7Gc5GPB7q3 | Nov 13 20:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> wikileaks.org | Secret Trans-Pacific Partnership Agreement (TPP) | Nov 13 20:05 |
| schestowitz | "so, unauthorized commercial use isn't allowed, due to copyright and non-commercial use isn't allowed due to this mess of this crap agreement.|" | Nov 13 20:05 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285317 | Nov 13 20:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: More NSA transparency would lead to bigger privacy invasion, agency lawyer says http://www.theverge.com/2013/11/13/5099592/al-franken-questions-officials-in-surveillance-transparency-act-hearing #nsa aggression | Nov 13 20:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theverge.com | More NSA transparency would lead to bigger privacy invasion, agency lawyer says | The Verge [ http://ur1.ca/g145b ] | Nov 13 20:06 |
| schestowitz | ""When your privacy is invaded and you don't know about it then it's not invasion of privacy", according to (I think) rep. Mike Rogers." | Nov 13 20:06 |
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| schestowitz | I searched the Web for this quote, can't find it... :/ | Nov 13 20:07 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 13 20:08 |
| schestowitz | when it comes to the spying skandal there is no hope in legislation. the agencies did not obey to the law in the past and they will not do so in the future. | Nov 13 20:08 |
| schestowitz | so either the net itself comes up with a solution to this existencial threat or it will cease to exist and become sth unusable and obscene. | Nov 13 20:08 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 13 20:08 |
| MinceR | i've seen that quote on The Daily Show | Nov 13 20:25 |
| MinceR | but i don't know which episode | Nov 13 20:25 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285317 | Nov 13 20:35 |
| schestowitz | "It was on #techdirt (where else ;-) ) https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20131029/18020225059/ " | Nov 13 20:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.techdirt.com | Mike Rogers: You Can't Have Your Privacy Violated If You Don't Know About It | Techdirt [ http://ur1.ca/g14b6 ] | Nov 13 20:35 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285885 | Nov 13 20:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @jay_cobbs@pod.geraspora.de: Ich fands schon gruselig festzustellen, dass google mein g+ Foto bei Bekannten ins Android-Adressbuch kopiert hat, ohne zu fragen... wenn das jetzt noch unaufgefordert und ohne jede Verbindung passiert.. | Nov 13 20:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.engadget.com | Google will soon display your Google+ photo when you call an Android phone [ http://ur1.ca/g14bh ] | Nov 13 20:36 |
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| sebsebseb | rff | Nov 13 20:48 |
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| sebsebseb | hi DaemonFC | Nov 13 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | hello | Nov 13 20:53 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: Humble Store uhmm right ok, but then I can't buy from it | Nov 13 20:54 |
| sebsebseb | DaemonFC: so I guess I get to keep my cash then | Nov 13 20:55 |
| sebsebseb | I emailed them earlier, but no reply yet | Nov 13 20:55 |
| schestowitz | http://mrpogson.com/2013/11/07/like-father-like-son/ pretty well made video | Nov 13 21:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | Like Father Like Son | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/g14qv ] | Nov 13 21:52 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/400744637897637889 | Nov 13 22:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @gnutelephony: @schestowitz @linuxfoundation reminds me of what happened when canonical hired Microsoft people | Nov 13 22:18 |
| schestowitz | Don't worry, the @linuxfoundation knows what it's doing. Next thing you know the guy will hire ex-pats from Microsoft | Nov 13 22:19 |
| schestowitz | Friend brings a friend. Remember how #VMware got taken over by #microsoft execs thanks to Tucci/EMC | Nov 13 22:20 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400749248226283520 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400750401009758208 | Nov 13 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Australia backs the US at every turn against its own consumers http://t.co/m9lrNnJiwb #tpp #politics #corruption #secrecy | Nov 13 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.smh.com.au | Australia backs the US at every turn against its own consumers | Nov 13 22:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Australia could derive great pride and massive intl' karma by defending and helping #assange - instead it decided to embarrass itself | Nov 13 22:22 |
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| schestowitz | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3286343 | Nov 13 22:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.joindiaspora.com | #who #is #seattle... [ http://ur1.ca/g14x4 ] | Nov 13 22:24 |
| schestowitz | Fox? Really?! They would never label people for agenda of Rupert and his goons.... | Nov 13 22:24 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286348 | Nov 13 22:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Australia could derive great pride and massive intl' karma by defending and helping #assange - instead it decided to embarrass itself | Nov 13 22:26 |
| schestowitz | "They have to service the needs of the master, like almost every other country...." | Nov 13 22:26 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286092 | Nov 13 22:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Earth Under Water in Next 20 Years - National Geographic Documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9TX7aJQe6s #hd version | Nov 13 22:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | (HD) Earth Under Water in Next 20 Years - National Geographic Documentary - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g14vv ] | Nov 13 22:30 |
| schestowitz | "Floating cities the new Noah ...... cycles .......... Vision." | Nov 13 22:30 |
| schestowitz | hard to grow food in floating cities, can't self-suffice... | Nov 13 22:30 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | The sea wall construction at New Orleans looks amazing - something that USA is really good at large scale civil engineering - protect people as well as industry ...... | Nov 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | But if the there is no global warming as the politicians try telling people ....... then this engineering would not be taking place. | Nov 13 22:31 |
| MinceR | could use hydroponics and seasteading | Nov 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | So where are the hypocrites ...... ask them ..... why spend Billions on sea defences if you do not actually believe there is anything in climate change. | Nov 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | Actions are showing that they know ..... so how high is that sea wall because that gives some idea of how much more water they are expecting at that one point ...... New Orleans is it more likely due to the weather fronts from what is being shown on the net .......... | Nov 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | https://www.google.co.uk/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=New+Orleans&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=5fiDUumCFsvJswaByYH4Dg#q=New+Orleans+cyclones+predictions+2014 | Nov 13 22:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.google.co.uk | New Orleans - Google Search [ http://ur1.ca/g14ym ] | Nov 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | The actions speak louder ....... so next year what precautions are being taken at other low lying industrial parts of the USA. | Nov 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 13 22:31 |
| MinceR | not easy to house 7 billion humans, though | Nov 13 22:31 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286343 | Nov 13 22:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @rocapc@joindiaspora.com: #who #is #seattle #city #council #candidate #kshama #sawant ? | Nov 13 22:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by rocapc@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_294b21d1f306a2f57c57.jpg | Nov 13 22:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> q13fox.com | Who is Seattle City Council candidate Kshama Sawant? | Q13 FOX News [ http://ur1.ca/g14yy ] | Nov 13 22:35 |
| schestowitz | "Who votes on this election? When? Why does it take so long to count the votes? (I know I could find the answers myself by searching a bit, bur maybe there's someone here who knows)." | Nov 13 22:35 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: seaworld? | Nov 13 22:35 |
| MinceR | dunno | Nov 13 22:35 |
| MinceR | waterworld? | Nov 13 22:36 |
| MinceR | (bonus pun: "water you waiting for?") | Nov 13 22:36 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 13 22:40 |
| schestowitz | waterworld | Nov 13 22:40 |
| schestowitz | I watched it in the cinema at the time | Nov 13 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Kevin Costner IIRC | Nov 13 22:40 |
| schestowitz | Quite a shitty and depressing film | Nov 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz | but it received decent reviews at the time | Nov 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz | It's like Mad Max, watery edition | Nov 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz | http://youtu.be/d7LAN_FB1Nc | Nov 13 22:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Waterworld Theatrical Trailer - YouTube | Nov 13 22:41 |
| schestowitz | just posted by someone at https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286092 | Nov 13 22:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Earth Under Water in Next 20 Years - National Geographic Documentary https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9TX7aJQe6s #hd version | Nov 13 22:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | (HD) Earth Under Water in Next 20 Years - National Geographic Documentary - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g14vv ] | Nov 13 22:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400751914528559104 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400752305974542336 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400753273541779456 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400754638489915392 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400754959433883648 | Nov 13 22:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: MAD cover https://t.co/U8IISCP3xA | Nov 13 22:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 2013: adults uploading (w/o consent) photos of their (grand)children; kids as young as 10 uploading photos of elderly family members. | Nov 13 22:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: #Trademark Law Does Not Require Companies To Tirelessly Censor the Internet https://t.co/HPDA5XiY67 #canonical #ubuntu #privacy #censorship | Nov 13 22:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.eff.org | Trademark Law Does Not Require Companies To Tirelessly Censor the Internet | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Nov 13 22:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Criminal terror charges filed against Obama http://t.co/y8vC705xXM "Egyptian lawyers have filed criminal terrorism charge" | Nov 13 22:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.wnd.com | Criminal terror charges filed against Obama | Nov 13 22:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: These terrorism charges are ridiculous. ಠ_ಠ The #CIA and Obama/Democrats don't support terrorists, they only provide training and weapons. | Nov 13 22:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400757008636592128 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400756420708405249 | Nov 13 22:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Attaining popular complicity by threatening with retribution for irregular behaviour... for life. http://t.co/jvXeIB7B3Y | Nov 13 22:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.thenation.com | Boxed In: How a Criminal Record Keeps You Unemployed For Life | The Nation | Nov 13 22:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: TAFTA cartoon https://t.co/si5OXInmbk | Nov 13 22:55 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286510 | Nov 13 22:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ### Under #Surveillance | Nov 13 22:57 |
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| schestowitz | "What about Firegloves?" | Nov 13 22:57 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.71 | Nov 13 22:57 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_478b124510091ac0ecd7.jpg | Nov 13 22:59 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3280916 | Nov 13 23:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @bkoehn@diaspora.koehn.com: Deepak Chopra is a very charismatic, intelligent businessman. Much like other preachers in our society (Glenn Beck, Harold Camping, Rand Paul), he's engaging, charming, and plays well to his base. He's also making this stuff up as he goes. | Nov 13 23:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> scienceblogs.com | Deepak Chopra continues his woo-ful whining – Respectful Insolence [ http://ur1.ca/g1550 ] | Nov 13 23:07 |
| schestowitz | http://scienceblogs.com/insolence/2013/11/12/deepak-chopra-continues-his-woo-ful-whining/ | Nov 13 23:08 |
| schestowitz | "Once again, Chopra conflates atheism and skepticism, as though the two were the same thing. " | Nov 13 23:08 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 13 23:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400760241874538496 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400761790042501120 | Nov 13 23:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Weird: #java wins in a performance benchmark http://t.co/1DwTYNgj8N | Nov 13 23:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.javaworld.com | Surprise! Java is fastest for server-side Web apps - JavaWorld | Nov 13 23:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Diaspora https://t.co/Pszpdr0ERe #freedom #communication #censorship #freespeech | Nov 13 23:10 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: nn | Nov 13 23:10 |
| MinceR | thx | Nov 13 23:11 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286607 | Nov 13 23:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Diaspora https://diasp.org/uploads/images/scaled_full_7929bbc491b6c10bd872.png #freedom #communication #censorship #freespeech | Nov 13 23:12 |
| schestowitz | "Freedom to choose." | Nov 13 23:12 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/400762823585705985 | Nov 13 23:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: First #p2p and now "online gambling is a strategic national threat because terrorists could use it to launder money" https://t.co/bf1D7JURC4 | Nov 13 23:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.schneier.com | Schneier on Security: Bizarre Online Gambling Movie-Plot Threat | Nov 13 23:12 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y_Grk96_hJs | Nov 13 23:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | The Netherlands: Police clash with anti-Marine Le Pen protesters - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g156y ] | Nov 13 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer I've never seen anything that hostile to data recovery efforts. The NTFS partition was incredibly corrupted, and the file system was impossible to mount. The ntfs fixer application in ntfsprogs wasn't able to do anything with it. The chkdsk in the recovery console on a Windows 8.1 evaluation disc was going so slow that the timer was saying 999 hours. I'm glad we don't have anything like that with ext4. Note to self: Never store | Nov 13 23:31 |
| DaemonFC | anything important on Microsoft's file system. | Nov 13 23:31 |
| Sosumi | oddly enough I've never seen a corrupted NTFS | Nov 13 23:47 |
| Sosumi | but I shouldn't mention HFS, that thing was a nightmare sometimes | Nov 13 23:48 |
| Sosumi | but yeah, I'm yet to experience problems with ext3/4 | Nov 13 23:50 |
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| Sosumi | gn | Nov 14 00:18 |
| DaemonFC | After spending all day in a failed attempt to salvage data from a corrupted Windows NTFS partition.... a delightful comparison between Windows 8 and Fedora GNULinux. | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 8: | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Windows does not alert the user to SMART warnings. The hard drive could basically be screaming that it is about to die, and Windows will not alert the user. | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | NTFS's design still sucks. Chkdsk was running so slowly that the estimated time to completion was 42 days. | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Many file system errors will make it impossible to mount the drive until they are manually fixed by the user, with Chkdsk. | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 8 could not be more useless in helping you to get your computer running again after you have file system errors that take out one or more critical system files. | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft still puts system data and user data on one large partition, so you can lose everything if a partition is corrupt, or you need to re-install the OS. | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Fedora GNU/Linux: | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | If the hard drive has a SMART warning, the operating system notifies the user immediately. | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | ext4 spends 1-2 seconds doing a journal replay each boot, and about 1-2 minutes on every 100th boot, doing a thorough file system check. | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Most file system errors are self-healing. | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | If the superblock is corrupt, there are at least half a dozen backup copies in the file system layout. | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | My system, data, and boot partitions are separate. I can re-install the OS or format the system partition and install the newer version of the OS without disrupting any of my files or settings. | Nov 14 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | There is no "product activator" that will lock me out of my computer if I re-install the operating system. | Nov 14 00:23 |
| Sosumi | big volumes and winblows | Nov 14 00:30 |
| Sosumi | is it even possible to put the users home folder in a separate disk or partition? | Nov 14 00:31 |
| Sosumi | on linux and osx up to 10.6 doing so is a piece of cake | Nov 14 00:32 |
| Sosumi | on windows, I've hear that is necessary to play with some audit mode and it's not very direct | Nov 14 00:32 |
| Sosumi | but alas, winblows | Nov 14 00:36 |
| Sosumi | http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2011/184/c/6/triple_facepalm_by_spottedheart98464-d3kuyp3.png | Nov 14 00:36 |
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| brendyn | auto playind audio ont techrights -.- | Nov 14 03:58 |
| brendyn | schestowitz: replace arch with parabola on the site. you just dont need arch anymore | Nov 14 04:03 |
| schestowitz | naaaa | Nov 14 06:18 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285943 | Nov 14 06:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @linux@joindiaspora.com: CyanogenMod publishes new Installer app on Google Play http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/cyanogenmod-publishes-installer-app-on-google-play/ | Nov 14 06:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | CyanogenMod publishes new Installer app on Google Play | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g171j ] | Nov 14 06:18 |
| schestowitz | "Still trying to figure if these guys have jumped the evil shark or not. Appartently the CLA gives them the right to relicense contributed code to whatever they wish, and they have analytics code in the OS. Still, at this stage the code seems to be FOSS and it has more privacy protection than stock Android." | Nov 14 06:18 |
| schestowitz | "What I really want is a full FOSS phone with a real selection of apps. Hmmm..." | Nov 14 06:18 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3284184 | Nov 14 06:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Google as Flag Bearer of GNU/Linux | Nov 14 06:23 |
| schestowitz | "The proper thing for Google to do about real names is to tell people that Google alias brings no real privacy and why that's so. Google knows that non free software and ISPs spy on users. The only thing less ethical than forcing people to use real names is offering them a false sense of privacy." | Nov 14 06:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Google as Flag Bearer of GNU/Linux | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g172f ] | Nov 14 06:23 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3280072 | Nov 14 06:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hillsboro School District considering open-source solutions in wake of failed bond measure http://www.oregonlive.com/hillsboro/index.ssf/2013/11/hillsboro_school_district_cons_1.html #gnu #linux | Nov 14 06:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.oregonlive.com | Hillsboro School District considering open-source solutions in wake of failed bond measure | OregonLive.com [ http://ur1.ca/g0qa2 ] | Nov 14 06:24 |
| schestowitz | "I'm in the process of drafting an email to Don Wolf, the person in charge of IT there, to suggest Debian-Edu/Skolelinux as an alternative to Ubuntu. You had a great little piece on Techrights about it that I found and it looks like the answer to their problems. If it's good enough for 196 schools around the world it's got to be good enough for the Hillsboro school district, no?" | Nov 14 06:24 |
| schestowitz | "@Will: I went to school in an adjacent school district to this one. Around 2002 the district was in dire need of computer upgrades when along came Chipzilla and M$ to donate funds to purchase brand new Dell desktops with shiny new Windows XP and P4s. Compensation I guess for the PFCs billowing out of their smokestacks every night after dark. I don't know what that stuff is, but I do know that it's not frost on the grass outside the | Nov 14 06:25 |
| schestowitz | half-dozen Intel campuses every morning. You damn near can't throw a rock in Washington County without hitting something related to Intel." | Nov 14 06:25 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285842 | Nov 14 06:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Surveillance through a real ID system (crowdsourced to us) http://www.engadget.com/2013/11/06/google-profile-photos-android-calls/ #google #privacy #android | Nov 14 06:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.engadget.com | Google will soon display your Google+ photo when you call an Android phone [ http://ur1.ca/g14bh ] | Nov 14 06:27 |
| schestowitz | "I find it annoying to be honest. I have uploaded several abstract images, and a couple real images, to gmail, and to google from a couple different computers over the last 7 or 8 years. And then at one point, my Android phone shows six different images of 'me' in its photo gallery. Without having activated gmail on that phone ... google had ID'd me by some means (web browsing habits?) and uploaded the images, near as I can tell. It | Nov 14 06:28 |
| schestowitz | was creepy." | Nov 14 06:28 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286427 | Nov 14 06:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Trademark Law Does Not Require Companies To Tirelessly Censor the Internet | Nov 14 06:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.eff.org | Trademark Law Does Not Require Companies To Tirelessly Censor the Internet | Electronic Frontier Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/g14je ] | Nov 14 06:28 |
| schestowitz | "A very informative, and generous I think, explanation. Thanks for sharing it." | Nov 14 06:28 |
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| iophk | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/11/nokia-under-elop-his-3-years-performance-review-worst-ceo-of-all-time-all-the-facts-in-pictures.html | Nov 14 09:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Nokia Under Elop - His 3 Years: Performance Review - Worst CEO of All Time - All the Facts - In Pictures [ http://ur1.ca/g182w ] | Nov 14 09:01 |
| iophk | Even those that initially denied it now have to admit that Elop was a mole. | Nov 14 09:02 |
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| MinceR | they won't | Nov 14 09:14 |
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| oiaohm | iophk: you are a optimist. If they admit publicly he is a Mole it will trigger insider trading laws. | Nov 14 09:41 |
| iophk | On the Nokia side, from where I see it, there is something that needs investigating. Maybe jail time is in order for some of the board. | Nov 14 09:42 |
| oiaohm | Jail time for the board/ex ceo for miss management has to be a possiblity. | Nov 14 09:45 |
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| oiaohm | iophk: punishing the board or ex ceo does not require admitting he is a mole. | Nov 14 09:47 |
| iophk | true | Nov 14 09:47 |
| iophk | Admitting he is a mole would put M$ into all kinds of trouble. | Nov 14 09:47 |
| iophk | That would be a separate issue. | Nov 14 09:47 |
| MinceR | also consider that they regularly engage in revisionalism | Nov 14 09:48 |
| MinceR | they're willing to lie about bigger things than elop being a mole | Nov 14 09:48 |
| iophk | Yes and they've been still trying to paint him as having "saved" Nokia | Nov 14 09:49 |
| iophk | I wonder if there is a way to charge him for being a mole and try him for it. Then if guilty, proceed against M$ | Nov 14 09:50 |
| oiaohm | iophk: I am sorry to say the biggest mistake was nokia refusing android out right. | Nov 14 09:51 |
| oiaohm | iophk: or any third party made OS outright. | Nov 14 09:51 |
| iophk | I though Meego was on the way to being a success. | Nov 14 09:51 |
| iophk | It was a good alternative to Android. | Nov 14 09:51 |
| oiaohm | iophk: and that was pre Elop | Nov 14 09:51 |
| iophk | Yes. | Nov 14 09:51 |
| iophk | Elop was there to run the company into the ground. | Nov 14 09:52 |
| MinceR | MeeGo would have worked, if the elopocalypse didn't happen. | Nov 14 09:52 |
| iophk | It was in his contract. | Nov 14 09:52 |
| oiaohm | Samsung has had there own OS with Tizen and baba before that. | Nov 14 09:52 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Meego could have remained small like Tizen and baba | Nov 14 09:52 |
| oiaohm | The big nokia mistake was being unwilling to keep up with competition. | Nov 14 09:53 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: Tizen isn't even started yet | Nov 14 09:54 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: o it started. | Nov 14 09:54 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the first tizen device is a camera. | Nov 14 09:54 |
| MinceR | still, there's no reason why nokia couldn't offer both android and meego | Nov 14 09:54 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: cameras are irrelevant to this discussion. | Nov 14 09:55 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: really not so. | Nov 14 09:55 |
| oiaohm | HTC motorola and Samsung ie Nokia biggest competition have been spreeding there interests. | Nov 14 09:55 |
| oiaohm | Yes there was no reason why nokia could not have gone android meego and windows phone like everyone else. | Nov 14 09:56 |
| MinceR | please explain how a single Tizen camera being out means Tizen will remain small. | Nov 14 09:56 |
| oiaohm | Also not diversiving. made them more open to attack. | Nov 14 09:57 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its just the current trends. | Nov 14 09:57 |
| MinceR | offering winblows phone would have been a waste of resources, though | Nov 14 09:57 |
| oiaohm | Tizen is not going to grow quick. | Nov 14 09:57 |
| MinceR | if samsung wants it to grow quick, it will | Nov 14 09:57 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: samsung and HTC.... also have been offering token Windows phone devices. | Nov 14 09:58 |
| MinceR | and samsung wants to be less dependent on google | Nov 14 09:58 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: even in their case, it was a waste of resources. | Nov 14 09:58 |
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| MinceR | winblows phone has no value proposition and nobody wants it. | Nov 14 09:58 |
| MinceR | it's worse than most dumbphone os-es | Nov 14 09:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: but it making sure you are offering a item even for the smallest percentage of customers. | Nov 14 09:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes there are some MS fans out there. | Nov 14 09:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: we wish they did not exist. | Nov 14 09:59 |
| oiaohm | But its marketing. | Nov 14 09:59 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: think of it this way MS fan knows samsung has a windows phone so when someone asks brand they trust they say samsung. | Nov 14 10:00 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and most likely the person ends up buying Something samsung that is android. | Nov 14 10:00 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: basically you want market share you service even the idiots. | Nov 14 10:01 |
| MinceR | i'm not sure how realistic that scenario is | Nov 14 10:01 |
| MinceR | and it does cost time and money to put hardware under winblows phone and put it into the distribution channels. | Nov 14 10:01 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: 1 they don't make a unique board for Winblows phones. | Nov 14 10:02 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: 2 they attempt recover some of the cost by demarding lower patent deals from Microsoft. | Nov 14 10:03 |
| MinceR | it would have been more reasonable to refuse patent deals with them | Nov 14 10:05 |
| oiaohm | Unfortunally not that posible. | Nov 14 10:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: annoying as hell fat and other patented locked filesystems got made standard on common memory cards. | Nov 14 10:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: since these are the defaults its legal for those flash devices to use those file system layout data for flash optimisation. | Nov 14 10:08 |
| iophk | It isn't even an appropriate file system for more than data loss. | Nov 14 10:08 |
| oiaohm | iophk: you will have more on some flash devices using anything other than fat. | Nov 14 10:09 |
| oiaohm | iophk: ie flash internal blanking will blank areas that are not marked as allocated by the fat on some. | Nov 14 10:09 |
| oiaohm | Yes patents and standards are complete prick combinations. | Nov 14 10:10 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: at http://techrights.org/2013/11/12/fossil-fuel-and-storms/#postcomment | Nov 14 10:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ( status 404 @ http://techrights.org/2013/11/12/fossil-fuel-and-storms/#postcomment ) | Nov 14 10:30 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: you should have posted potholer54 vids :) | Nov 14 10:30 |
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| MinceR | oiaohm: the vfat patent could be attacked | Nov 14 10:46 |
| iophk | MinceR: that would be good in and of itself, because of the patents in general, but vfat itself is not worth having. | Nov 14 10:47 |
| MinceR | it was demonstrated that Linus published the idea before m$ implemented it | Nov 14 10:47 |
| MinceR | also, most of the supposed m$ patents are just smoke and mirrors. | Nov 14 10:48 |
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| oiaohm | MinceR: not all the patent was defeated. | Nov 14 11:04 |
| MinceR | what part wasn't? | Nov 14 11:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Linux patent avoiding method is just create the long filename skip creating the small in MS format. | Nov 14 11:05 |
| MinceR | afaik the Linus post was about how to create the short filename | Nov 14 11:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Note I said MS format. | Nov 14 11:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Linus own format was slightly different. | Nov 14 11:06 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: afaik that doesn't save the patent | Nov 14 11:06 |
| oiaohm | Yes evil embedded controllers. | Nov 14 11:06 |
| MinceR | also, a big enough hw maker could just decline supporting vfat | Nov 14 11:06 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: Samsung is working on achiving that. | Nov 14 11:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the patent has handled challage. | Nov 14 11:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: good thing is dies in the next few years. | Nov 14 11:08 |
| oiaohm | then exfat becomes the next problem. | Nov 14 11:08 |
| MinceR | now they only have to block exfat | Nov 14 11:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: and particular flash memory times exfat is mandory. | Nov 14 11:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: SDXC cards are all exfat | Nov 14 11:10 |
| MinceR | time for a new standard, then | Nov 14 11:10 |
| oiaohm | I agree | Nov 14 11:10 |
| MinceR | or attack SDXC because they mandated a patent-encumbered filesystem. | Nov 14 11:10 |
| MinceR | several camera makers could come up with their own memory card formats | Nov 14 11:10 |
| MinceR | if the guys in charge of SD insist on this bullshit, they can be abandoned. | Nov 14 11:11 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you cannot reformat SDXC cards to other than exfat as well without risking big issues. | Nov 14 11:11 |
| MinceR | i strongly suspect that at this point the companies threatened by m$ patents have a lot more power (money, market cap, etc.) than m$. | Nov 14 11:11 |
| iophk | Those companies have not worked together before to stand up to M$ | Nov 14 11:13 |
| MinceR | plus m$ can't manufacture sd cards themselves, afaik | Nov 14 11:13 |
| MinceR | well, it's time for them to gang up | Nov 14 11:13 |
| iophk | it is classic divide-and-conquer | Nov 14 11:13 |
| iophk | yes it's time for them to do so. They have a lot to lose if they don't. | Nov 14 11:13 |
| iophk | And a lot to gain if they do. | Nov 14 11:13 |
| oiaohm | Issue here is Microsoft brick wall. | Nov 14 11:13 |
| oiaohm | Look at the number of file systems Microsoft supports. | Nov 14 11:13 |
| oiaohm | Its bugger all. | Nov 14 11:14 |
| MinceR | the card reader or phone could come with filesystem drivers | Nov 14 11:14 |
| oiaohm | Then items like UDF that you should be able to use on flash and cdrom drives | Nov 14 11:14 |
| MinceR | also, the filesystem could be accessed over a LAN. | Nov 14 11:14 |
| MinceR | afaik even with MTP it's not much of an issue | Nov 14 11:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: you are on the right track. | Nov 14 11:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes MTP standard is partly about breaking out of th MS mess. | Nov 14 11:14 |
| MinceR | then again, MTP is probably patent-encumbered itself | Nov 14 11:15 |
| iophk | Including the necessary drivers has been done before. | Nov 14 11:15 |
| MinceR | (at least i had the impression that it's a m$ thing) | Nov 14 11:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: MTP is a MS thing but MS also has given a patent promise over it. | Nov 14 11:16 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: MS thought it was a completely failed item after zune it came from died. | Nov 14 11:16 |
| yang | how come that techrights blog is so frewuently updated, who contributes all these articles? | Nov 14 11:17 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 14 11:17 |
| MinceR | yang: it's mostly Roy | Nov 14 11:17 |
| MinceR | afaik | Nov 14 11:17 |
| yang | oh | Nov 14 11:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remembr you need MS support by any underhanded means. | Nov 14 11:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: MTP falls into that cap. | Nov 14 11:17 |
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| oiaohm | Hmm the mono microsoft deal could get interesting | Nov 14 12:21 |
| iophk | Interesting as in an interesting mess that spreads. | Nov 14 12:21 |
| iophk | I don't look forward to it again. | Nov 14 12:22 |
| oiaohm | iophk: its a interesting mess due to the legal sides. | Nov 14 12:22 |
| iophk | They've encroache on a lot of games, too. | Nov 14 12:22 |
| oiaohm | Its almost like MS is desprate. | Nov 14 12:22 |
| iophk | They are. | Nov 14 12:22 |
| oiaohm | By holdng mono at arms lenth they could in future use patents agaist it. | Nov 14 12:22 |
| iophk | Their two source of income are becoming irrelevant. | Nov 14 12:22 |
| oiaohm | Now not this gets interesting. | Nov 14 12:23 |
| iophk | They could still use patents, even if they 'help' it along. | Nov 14 12:23 |
| iophk | Their involvement makes the case for patent ownership in Mono stronger. | Nov 14 12:23 |
| iophk | Stuff written in mono is slow and unstable, probably also insecure, but it's so seldom used. | Nov 14 12:25 |
| iophk | so few reports are made | Nov 14 12:25 |
| oiaohm | iophk: read closer MS is shipping it themselves. | Nov 14 12:37 |
| oiaohm | iophk: its a bit hard to sue your own product. | Nov 14 12:37 |
| iophk | They've demonstrated a lot of gall in the past. | Nov 14 12:38 |
| iophk | Maybe they would sue their own user? | Nov 14 12:38 |
| oiaohm | iophk: also not a legal valid option. | Nov 14 12:38 |
| oiaohm | iophk: to sue their own user they are required to declare the effected patents in advance. | Nov 14 12:38 |
| oiaohm | iophk: the laws against entrapment come into play. | Nov 14 12:39 |
| brendyn | website doesnt make much sense. how do i find articles about flash? | Nov 14 12:39 |
| iophk | IANAL but maybe they are just trying to get it spread so they can then demand payment. | Nov 14 12:40 |
| iophk | at some later date. | Nov 14 12:40 |
| iophk | brendyn: try +site:techrights.org in your search engine | Nov 14 12:40 |
| brendyn | hmmm ok, do you happen to know of a page summarising the main problems with flash? | Nov 14 12:42 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: flash is disappearing. | Nov 14 12:43 |
| brendyn | i know | Nov 14 12:44 |
| iophk | brendyn: I'm not finding a separate page for Flash | Nov 14 12:45 |
| iophk | http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Special:Search/Flash | Nov 14 12:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | Search results - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g19f8 ] | Nov 14 12:45 |
| iophk | Only a few of the wiki pages mention it. | Nov 14 12:46 |
| iophk | It is mentioned more in the main posts. | Nov 14 12:46 |
| brendyn | i just saw some mistake GNU as an alternative for 'Linux' lol | Nov 14 12:49 |
| iophk | GNU/kfreebsd ? | Nov 14 12:49 |
| iophk | on Debian? | Nov 14 12:49 |
| brendyn | no | Nov 14 12:50 |
| brendyn | Linux meanind GNU/Linux | Nov 14 12:52 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: busybox/Linux | Nov 14 12:53 |
| brendyn | your missing the point | Nov 14 12:53 |
| oiaohm | I think you missed mine. | Nov 14 12:54 |
| oiaohm | Most rounters are not GNU/Linux | Nov 14 12:54 |
| oiaohm | Most rounters are in fact some branch of busybox/Linux | Nov 14 12:54 |
| brendyn | your point doesnt seem related to mine, and you are responding to me | Nov 14 12:55 |
| oiaohm | Also GNU does have a kernel of it own. | Nov 14 12:55 |
| oiaohm | A pure GNU system is a Hurd system. | Nov 14 12:55 |
| brendyn | ... | Nov 14 12:56 |
| brendyn | calm down lol | Nov 14 12:56 |
| oiaohm | http://www.gnu.org/software/hurd/hurd.html | Nov 14 12:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.gnu.org | hurd [ http://ur1.ca/2evey ] | Nov 14 12:56 |
| oiaohm | Yes there is a OS kernel named hurd | Nov 14 12:56 |
| brendyn | i know... | Nov 14 12:57 |
| brendyn | you *are* missing the point | Nov 14 12:57 |
| oiaohm | So person could be right as GNU as a alterative to GNU/Linux if they are taking about a hurd system. | Nov 14 12:57 |
| MinceR | what libc does busybox use? | Nov 14 12:57 |
| MinceR | also, the compiler and linker might matter too, and those are still GNU, afaik | Nov 14 12:57 |
| brendyn | they are not right | Nov 14 12:57 |
| brendyn | oiaohm: http://www.cs.tut.fi/~jkorpela/wiio.html | Nov 14 12:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cs.tut.fi | A commentary of Wiio's laws | Nov 14 12:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: normally one of the highly compact libc. dietlibc for example is in busybox routers. | Nov 14 12:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: computer gcc or llvm | Nov 14 12:58 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: or so other custom mips or other horibles. | Nov 14 12:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: so basically a busybox/LInux system is quite a arms lenght to a normal GNU/Linux system. | Nov 14 12:59 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: remember in a router every bit counts. | Nov 14 13:02 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: I know a few people who think GNU and Linux are one and the same. | Nov 14 13:02 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: it get funny when you point out that hurd started development before Linus even wrote 1 line of code on Linux. | Nov 14 13:03 |
| brendyn | why does that make it funny? | Nov 14 13:04 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: seems to be a fuzzy case between GNU and non-GNU, then | Nov 14 13:04 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: all the parts are normally GPL licenses but they are mostly not GNU projects. | Nov 14 13:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes just because something is GPL does not mean its GNU either. | Nov 14 13:05 |
| MinceR | yeah, but the GNU in GNU/Linux doesn't stand for the license | Nov 14 13:05 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: GNU in GNU linux stands for the projects from gnu.org used. | Nov 14 13:06 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: what is the funny bit is why hurd taken so long to develop. | Nov 14 13:06 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: hurd has taken so long to develop because its too resistant to crashing and stopping. | Nov 14 13:07 |
| MinceR | oiaohm: yes, and you could for example use gcc and gmake, but not glibc, to build the busybox you run on the router | Nov 14 13:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: but when the router is running gnu and gmake are not present. | Nov 14 13:07 |
| MinceR | does that make them not matter? | Nov 14 13:07 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: from dotted i and crossed t tenically they are no longer counted. | Nov 14 13:08 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: because the GNU/Linux and busybox/Linux are both refering to what is present in the device. | Nov 14 13:09 |
| brendyn | oiaohm: ? | Nov 14 13:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also gcc might have been swapped out with llvm. | Nov 14 13:09 |
| brendyn | that is a load of nonsense | Nov 14 13:09 |
| MinceR | also, what if i install busybox on a GNU/Linux system? :> | Nov 14 13:09 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also there are other makes that can process gnumake files. | Nov 14 13:10 |
| MinceR | there's also GNU running in a chroot on an Android/Linux system... and Android running on a chroot (but still owning init and the hardware) on a GNU/Linux system | Nov 14 13:10 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: hurd is a full microkernel design. With auto subsystem restart. | Nov 14 13:11 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: so a hurd system can be repeatly crashing core parts and restarting them while still keeping applications running. | Nov 14 13:11 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: making the thing the worlds worst OS to attemp to debug. | Nov 14 13:12 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: sign of a hurd system in trouble its running slow. | Nov 14 13:12 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: system classification gets horible at times. | Nov 14 13:13 |
| MinceR | my point exactly | Nov 14 13:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: have you ever seen the title. GNU/Linux/L4 or it written the other way. | Nov 14 13:14 |
| brendyn | hmm seems pretty suspect to say its actually caused by resistance to crashing and stopping | Nov 14 13:14 |
| MinceR | i've heard of L4 but i don't think i've seen the title. | Nov 14 13:14 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: that is a horible system where the L4 microkernel is the bottom. | Nov 14 13:15 |
| MinceR | why is it horrible? | Nov 14 13:15 |
| fewt | o/ | Nov 14 13:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: it more written L4/Linux/GNU. | Nov 14 13:15 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: its just all the extra places for things to go wrong. | Nov 14 13:16 |
| MinceR | ic | Nov 14 13:16 |
| MinceR | can L4 resurrect its services? | Nov 14 13:16 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes it can. | Nov 14 13:16 |
| MinceR | i guess Linux itself might be tricky to resurrect seamlessly | Nov 14 13:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: also it can be running some stuff in RTOS mode as well. | Nov 14 13:17 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: yes conflit between what Linux kernel is doing and RTOS in L4 say hello to hell. | Nov 14 13:17 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: I was more desribing what is going on when its resistance to stopping when it hurd has been unable to resist items crashing. | Nov 14 13:27 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: Yes you can end up in a circile loop of crashing with hurd. | Nov 14 13:27 |
| brendyn | i thought the problem was timing and apps messaging each other? | Nov 14 13:27 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: monolithic kernels like Linux have issue system stops. | Nov 14 13:27 |
| brendyn | cant you just say 'give up after 10 restarts'? | Nov 14 13:28 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: by then do you have the record of what sent it south in the first place. | Nov 14 13:28 |
| brendyn | i dont know | Nov 14 13:29 |
| brendyn | but the bigger concern is infinite loops isnt it? | Nov 14 13:29 |
| MinceR | you can probably tell it to not restart anything | Nov 14 13:29 |
| oiaohm | It is in fact infinite loops and having what started them. | Nov 14 13:29 |
| brendyn | why doesnt my trivial solution work then? | Nov 14 13:30 |
| oiaohm | By 10 restarts if disc io has been out you have no logs. | Nov 14 13:30 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: so effectively you know nothing. | Nov 14 13:30 |
| brendyn | unlucky | Nov 14 13:30 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: first 8 years of hurd development the most common falures were in disc io. | Nov 14 13:31 |
| brendyn | that is a problem regardless isnt it? | Nov 14 13:31 |
| oiaohm | Not that bad for linux that stops straight away and prints the error to screen. | Nov 14 13:31 |
| oiaohm | Developers get good clues where the bad lines of code are. | Nov 14 13:32 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: is on the right track. The simplest from development point of view don't restart anything. | Nov 14 13:33 |
| oiaohm | Something goes wrong print a message out by what ever means possible. | Nov 14 13:33 |
| MinceR | also, you could log to network or RS-232 | Nov 14 13:35 |
| MinceR | or even line printer :> | Nov 14 13:35 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: the most insane is morse code it out by the keyboard leds. | Nov 14 13:36 |
| MinceR | i could think of more insane things | Nov 14 13:37 |
| MinceR | like morse code it out of turning a fan on and off. | Nov 14 13:37 |
| oiaohm | MinceR: but that could be hardware harmful. | Nov 14 13:38 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 14 13:38 |
| MinceR | i didn't say it was a good idea, only that it was insane. | Nov 14 13:38 |
| oiaohm | Ok I should have been more clear. | Nov 14 13:38 |
| oiaohm | Most insane that at least made it into next release Linux patck of patches at some point. | Nov 14 13:39 |
| oiaohm | That is morse code flashing keyboard lights. | Nov 14 13:39 |
| oiaohm | Never made it mainline. | Nov 14 13:39 |
| oiaohm | Has just missed out twice. | Nov 14 13:39 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 14 13:41 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: hurd is funny because the the feature they were attempting to create was the very one that ruined it. | Nov 14 13:44 |
| brendyn | how are they going with that problem today? | Nov 14 13:45 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: problem is the damage is done. | Nov 14 13:46 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: Linux project has ended up with most of the OS core developers. | Nov 14 13:46 |
| brendyn | they are not fixing it | Nov 14 13:47 |
| brendyn | ? | Nov 14 13:47 |
| oiaohm | brendyn: hurd is still developing but its the size of the development team now. | Nov 14 13:47 |
| brendyn | anyway good night | Nov 14 13:50 |
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| Sosumi | the lisbon metro guys are going nuts | Nov 14 14:44 |
| Sosumi | today when everyone is coming out of the buses and going up the stairs | Nov 14 14:45 |
| Sosumi | the first metro departs with no one onboard | Nov 14 14:45 |
| Sosumi | second metro, the guy was constantly accelerating and desaccelerating | Nov 14 14:46 |
| Sosumi | when I reached my destination | Nov 14 14:46 |
| Sosumi | all I wanted was to puke | Nov 14 14:46 |
| Sosumi | seriously :( | Nov 14 14:47 |
| MinceR | here they tend to jerk randomly back and forth before stopping | Nov 14 14:50 |
| MinceR | so you fall over if you aren't sitting | Nov 14 14:51 |
| MinceR | it's like the drivers are having seizures | Nov 14 14:51 |
| Sosumi | lack of professionalism | Nov 14 14:52 |
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| Sosumi | also M$ now as an online visual studio | Nov 14 15:54 |
| Sosumi | they besides wanting your documents also want youre code | Nov 14 15:55 |
| Sosumi | *your | Nov 14 15:55 |
| Sosumi | they also had VS priced out of range | Nov 14 15:55 |
| Sosumi | 16000€ for the complete version | Nov 14 15:56 |
| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/11/we-still-dont-encrypt-server-to-server-data-admits-microsoft/ | Nov 14 16:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | “We still don’t encrypt server-to-server data,” admits Microsoft | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g1asl ] | Nov 14 16:11 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/markhughes/status/400944088515477504 | Nov 14 16:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @markhughes: @schestowitz good points about Fog/Cloud, #surveillance & @KimDotcom's #MEGA and @ownCloud. Makes me more interested in #askOS .. comments? | Nov 14 16:22 |
| schestowitz | I have no interest in any of them for very private things; I use MEGA for a few things. | Nov 14 16:22 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/gnutelephony/status/400973734862802946 | Nov 14 16:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @gnutelephony: The lesson of #Ubuntu is that once you start trading freedom for popularity you end up with neither. @schestowitz http://t.co/Jz1mqs80qd | Nov 14 16:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> stevenrosenberg.net | Steven Rosenberg : Noted contributer Aaron Toponce says goodbye to Ubuntu, even gives up UBUNTU license plate | Nov 14 16:22 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/realmohan/status/401023154388082688 | Nov 14 16:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @realmohan: @schestowitz so you are the new owner of http://t.co/Fan5hAq3Xh? Congrats. | Nov 14 16:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.tuxmachines.org | Tux Machines | Do you waddle the waddle? | Nov 14 16:28 |
| schestowitz | technically yes, but it's still in migration process. Why? | Nov 14 16:28 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/markhughes/status/401024525451939840 | Nov 14 16:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @markhughes: @schestowitz @KimDotcom @ownCloud I was meaning: any comments on #askOS? | Nov 14 16:34 |
| schestowitz | I don't know it I'm afraid... | Nov 14 16:34 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/realmohan/status/401024742909411328 | Nov 14 16:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @realmohan: @schestowitz I was just following the whole auction off the website. I being going there for news for many years. | Nov 14 16:35 |
| schestowitz | So have I, and now I can contribute | Nov 14 16:35 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/markhughes/status/401027534290436096 | Nov 14 16:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @markhughes: @schestowitz @KimDotcom @ownCloud it's still in alpha, seeking crowdsourced funding, #FOSS, plug n play selfhost #Linux server | Nov 14 16:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/markhughes/status/401027687516766208 | Nov 14 16:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @markhughes: @schestowitz @KimDotcom @ownCloud all on github right now | Nov 14 16:48 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3287952 | Nov 14 16:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @linux@joindiaspora.com: Microsoft Has Taken Over Mono Development, With Miguel de Icaza’s Consent http://techrights.org/2013/11/14/microsoft-has-abducted-mono/ | Nov 14 16:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Microsoft Has Taken Over Mono Development, With Miguel de Icaza’s Consent | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/g1b4b ] | Nov 14 16:49 |
| schestowitz | 'Meh. They've just made it more publicly visible. It was their project from the start." | Nov 14 16:49 |
| schestowitz | yang: hi | Nov 14 17:03 |
| schestowitz | yes, I write them | Nov 14 17:03 |
| schestowitz | You have a new follower on Twitter. " | Nov 14 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Bram van der Kolk | Nov 14 17:04 |
| schestowitz | @bramosnl | Nov 14 17:04 |
| schestowitz | Programmer of @MegaPrivacy | Nov 14 17:04 |
| schestowitz | New Zealand · https://www.mega.co.nz | Nov 14 17:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.mega.co.nz | MEGA | Nov 14 17:04 |
| iophk | When is Mega going to get proper (secure) client software? The stuff they have doesn't cut it. | Nov 14 17:04 |
| iophk | Last I checked. | Nov 14 17:04 |
| schestowitz | http://www.itworld.com/operating-systems/382610/suse-linux-enterprise-expands-regular-support-10-years | Nov 14 17:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itworld.com | Suse Linux Enterprise expands regular support to 10 years | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/g1b9q ] | Nov 14 17:06 |
| schestowitz | meh | Nov 14 17:06 |
| iophk | http://gigaom.com/2013/11/14/google-wins-book-scanning-case-judge-finds-fair-use-cites-many-benefits/ | Nov 14 17:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | gigaom.com | Google wins book-scanning case: judge finds “fair use,” cites many benefits — Tech News and Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/g1baz ] | Nov 14 17:12 |
| yang | nice schestowitz | Nov 14 17:12 |
| schestowitz | ty | Nov 14 17:13 |
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| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/11/google-books-ruled-legal-in-massive-win-for-fair-use/ | Nov 14 17:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Google Books ruled legal in massive win for fair use | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g1bdg ] | Nov 14 17:22 |
| iophk | It will be interesting to see if the new magazine is an improvement. | Nov 14 17:26 |
| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/media/2013/nov/13/linux-format-staff-who-quit-plan-to-launch-rival-linux-voice | Nov 14 17:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Linux Format staff who quit plan to launch rival Linux Voice | Media | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/g1beq ] | Nov 14 17:26 |
| Sosumi | http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/13/11/14/1745251/drm-to-be-used-in-renault-electric-cars?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter | Nov 14 17:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | hardware.slashdot.org | DRM To Be Used In Renault Electric Cars - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/g1bla ] | Nov 14 17:52 |
| Sosumi | also read the leaked Trans Pacific Partnership leaked document | Nov 14 17:53 |
| Sosumi | which shows exactly who is in charge | Nov 14 17:53 |
| Sosumi | the coporatocacy | Nov 14 17:53 |
| Sosumi | which makes me fear of what'll be put in the "free-exploitation treaty" between the EU and the US | Nov 14 17:54 |
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| sebsebseb | ping iophk | Nov 14 18:05 |
| iophk | pong sebsebseb | Nov 14 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I need some help here I think | Nov 14 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: as expected, they didn't like the proposal I put in the document | Nov 14 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | since it was like, this or that | Nov 14 18:06 |
| iophk | printed document? | Nov 14 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | wan't really specific | Nov 14 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: a emaled documet for proposals | Nov 14 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | they want something more specific | Nov 14 18:06 |
| iophk | specific is good, usually | Nov 14 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they didn't like what I put though | Nov 14 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | they don't like the or's | Nov 14 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | and maybe's and such | Nov 14 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so I need something more specific | Nov 14 18:07 |
| iophk | ok. Then make a more concrete proposal. | Nov 14 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I also find it a bit hard how to add in this document | Nov 14 18:07 |
| iophk | Start a new version. | Nov 14 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | yeah they wat a more concreate proposal exactly | Nov 14 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | or proposals | Nov 14 18:07 |
| iophk | tazer duel? | Nov 14 18:08 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and then a new propals gets a new number | Nov 14 18:08 |
| iophk | Are you choosing DEs? | Nov 14 18:08 |
| sebsebseb | if it's an ammendment it goes in a sub paragaph with a letter | Nov 14 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well this is proposals for both distros and interfaces | Nov 14 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | I'll show you the thing | Nov 14 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | on pastebin | Nov 14 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | when I put something there | Nov 14 18:09 |
| DaemonFC | Senator Sanders, I would like you to know how proud I am of what you're doing in the Senate. Please keep up the good work. If the Democratic Party ever gives you an award, it will be like giving the Hans Solo award to the Rebel Alliance. | Nov 14 18:13 |
| iophk | sebsebseb: keep the DE proposal separate. It's a separate topic. | Nov 14 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I already bee through this | Nov 14 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: that's not how they are doing things | Nov 14 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and ths is how they are doing things: http://pastebin.com/QV2diq27http://pastebin.com/QV2diq27 | Nov 14 18:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ( status 404 @ http://pastebin.com/QV2diq27http://pastebin.com/QV2diq27 ) | Nov 14 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | http://pastebin.com/QV2diq27 | Nov 14 18:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | pastebin.com | I have been away for a few days. On 13/11/13 08:31, Chris wrote: > Sebastian - Pastebin.com | Nov 14 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | and it's got what I put in for proposal stuff there to | Nov 14 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | ,but they want something more concreate etc | Nov 14 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | so what am I meant too put as a propsal, or as my propsals, more than one? | Nov 14 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: it's a DE's and distros votes | Nov 14 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | with them going together | Nov 14 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | nothing I can do about that | Nov 14 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | this is how they want too do it | Nov 14 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | see the pastebin | Nov 14 18:19 |
| iophk | What does he mean by "limited event" ? | Nov 14 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: limited event as in very basic event | Nov 14 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | hardly any OS's etc | Nov 14 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | Mint and that's about it or it | Nov 14 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | 1 or 2 distro's | Nov 14 18:21 |
| iophk | I didn't see a clarification there by what he means by limitedevent. What were his words. | Nov 14 18:21 |
| iophk | ? | Nov 14 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: that's from the email | Nov 14 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | he just means a basic event like I just described | Nov 14 18:22 |
| iophk | Does he clarify that in another mail? | Nov 14 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | I put the emai there, an the actsal document below that | Nov 14 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and he thinks I mean general event, as in lots and lots of options, but that's not quite what I meant | Nov 14 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | I just meant some choice | Nov 14 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | ,but that's not the point, I have too do a proposal "their" way | Nov 14 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | rather than "my" way | Nov 14 18:23 |
| iophk | So there are 4 staff and 4 demo computers? | Nov 14 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | or apparnatlly my stuff won't even be voted on | Nov 14 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: he wants 2 or 3 OS's maybe 3 | Nov 14 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: in fact you can see what he wants in the proposals in that pastebin too | Nov 14 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | it doesn't matte if there will only be four or eight demonstratio computers now | Nov 14 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | ,because the idea is to pick distros and interfaces on Tuesday, do the vote | Nov 14 18:24 |
| iophk | I don't see much there. The 1.-5a does not give much guidance on what he really wants. | Nov 14 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | well it's a propals | Nov 14 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | to be voted on on TUesdy | Nov 14 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | do demonstraton's from USB's | Nov 14 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | and have five minutes to propse an idea | Nov 14 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | and then do a vote | Nov 14 18:24 |
| iophk | Sounds like amess. The HD should be used. | Nov 14 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't agree wit things being done like this really | Nov 14 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I got no choice now, but too go along with it, it seems | Nov 14 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | it might just be a Mint and Open SUse event, it might be something else | Nov 14 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | ,but at leaset once Tuesday is over | Nov 14 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | welll that's that, won't have to think about this as such anymore | Nov 14 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they just want me too put in a basic propsa in the document | Nov 14 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | I have tried being inclusive of everything, and general | Nov 14 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | ,but nope they want something more distro specific etc | Nov 14 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | they want me to make more distro specific propoals | Nov 14 18:26 |
| iophk | Mint and Suse are bad choices, for the reasons I gave before. | Nov 14 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | ok | Nov 14 18:27 |
| iophk | Make a specific proposal for Mageia and Ubuntu? | Nov 14 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | so what should I put as a proposal do you think? | Nov 14 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well I can do more than one proposal as well | Nov 14 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yes that would be one idea | Nov 14 18:27 |
| iophk | Yes. Good idea. | Nov 14 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | I shoudn't do to many proposals, but around 3 should be alright | Nov 14 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: also I can't say Cinnamon and maybe Mate too | Nov 14 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Nov 14 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | they want me to be speciic on a interface | Nov 14 18:28 |
| iophk | XFCE, KDE and Unity. | Nov 14 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | in what distros? | Nov 14 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | is it item to axe Open SUse | Nov 14 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | from mypropas stuf | Nov 14 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | forget about it? | Nov 14 18:28 |
| iophk | The first two on mageia and the latter on Ubuntu | Nov 14 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | not even etion Open SUSE in my propoals? | Nov 14 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | or shuld I propse Mageia to be used for GOE | Nov 14 18:29 |
| iophk | No, not if you don't want it. | Nov 14 18:29 |
| iophk | Yes propose mageia | Nov 14 18:29 |
| sebsebseb | looks like Open Suse may get KDE, but I hae a chance to get GNOME in Mageia | Nov 14 18:29 |
| iophk | XFCE is more appropriate for end-users. | Nov 14 18:29 |
| iophk | GNOME is over. | Nov 14 18:29 |
| iophk | They're losing a chance to demo the different DEs | Nov 14 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | what propals do you think I should put? | Nov 14 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | and in the way they did theirs in that document | Nov 14 18:30 |
| iophk | Yes copy the style. | Nov 14 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yes the style like that | Nov 14 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Nov 14 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | what should I put as my proposals do you think? | Nov 14 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | Mint for Cinnamon, Mageia for GNOME and KDE, Ubuntu for Unity | Nov 14 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | ?????????????? | Nov 14 18:32 |
| iophk | sounds good | Nov 14 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | not sure if I can do and like that though hmm | Nov 14 18:33 |
| iophk | Though GNOME and Cinnamon are not so good | Nov 14 18:33 |
| iophk | I'd say XFCE instead of one of them. But I've said that already. | Nov 14 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | Mint for Cinnamon, Mageia for GNOME, Ubuntu for Unity | Nov 14 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | Mint for Cinnamon, Magiea for KDE, Ubuntu for Unity | Nov 14 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: thing is | Nov 14 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | if we agree on only 2 OS's | Nov 14 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | proposals that have 3, are out | Nov 14 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | won't get voted on | Nov 14 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so if they agree on 2 distro's and my propsals are for 3 uh | Nov 14 18:34 |
| iophk | yes but mint is redundant with Ubuntu | Nov 14 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | I think Mint is in | Nov 14 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | bfore this stuf has even been properly voted on | Nov 14 18:35 |
| iophk | you could have Cinnamon on Ubuntu, it's there in the Ubuntu repository | Nov 14 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | I think Open Suse is probaby in to, or for KDE ayway | Nov 14 18:35 |
| iophk | KDE for Mageia | Nov 14 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | no Ubuntu live sesison of Cinnamo though I think? | Nov 14 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | remember need Lie sessions for these distro's to, since the whole live session remater idea | Nov 14 18:36 |
| iophk | no need for live if you have access to the HD | Nov 14 18:36 |
| iophk | I'd walk | Nov 14 18:36 |
| iophk | remasters are also a *BIG* waste of time. It won't help the visitors who later decide to download something and try it out. | Nov 14 18:36 |
| MinceR | any distro should suffice to run any non-Unity DE | Nov 14 18:36 |
| iophk | There's *no* value added | Nov 14 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | yes already been through that a few or more times but they are in and that's that | Nov 14 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | they are going with remasters | Nov 14 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | I can't change that decisiosn | Nov 14 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I may have to make new Magiea re masters before Tuesday to | Nov 14 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | unless he does for me.... | Nov 14 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | ,but they are trying to get a rather delayed Mageia 4 Beta 1 out at the moment | Nov 14 18:37 |
| iophk | ok | Nov 14 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | many test ISO's there have been, because it does the new installer stuff etc | Nov 14 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | there wre bugs to fix etc | Nov 14 18:38 |
| MinceR | debian has gnome, kde, lxde and xfce live images already | Nov 14 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: ok, but Debian itself isn't one of the proposed distros for the event | Nov 14 18:38 |
| iophk | Debian would be good for all | Nov 14 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well it's not in | Nov 14 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | neither is PC Linux OS | Nov 14 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | that has a XFCE Live CD | Nov 14 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | and uh | Nov 14 18:39 |
| iophk | Will you still have the Mageia discs to hand out? | Nov 14 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: the things that are propsed have been propsed | Nov 14 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | I Mean we got hte ditros an interfaces | Nov 14 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | just got to do a proper propals in that document | Nov 14 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | then vote on Tuesday | Nov 14 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't know | Nov 14 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: what I was thinking is could put htem on a table some where or somethig surely | Nov 14 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | even if it's ot one of the distros' that is from the remasters | Nov 14 18:40 |
| iophk | That would work | Nov 14 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | same with Fedora | Nov 14 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | have a swag table smoe whre | Nov 14 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | free this and that | Nov 14 18:40 |
| sebsebseb | can even put in some support info for Fedora | Nov 14 18:40 |
| iophk | Better to hand out swag one at a time. | Nov 14 18:40 |
| iophk | That way it gets doled out a little at a time. | Nov 14 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | when they gone through whatever | Nov 14 18:41 |
| iophk | Gets people to come over and talk. | Nov 14 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | seeing demo pc's and getting remasetrs | Nov 14 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | they could get other stuff to I am thinking | Nov 14 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | the remaseterd USB's could be on such a table to | Nov 14 18:41 |
| iophk | Swag is used to "buy" face time. | Nov 14 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think this event isn't quite going to be how I want it | Nov 14 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | probably not really how I want it at all | Nov 14 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ,but I still have a chance to get Magiea in there proerly | Nov 14 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | if I can do the propsal prperly | Nov 14 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | for that document | Nov 14 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | so what do you think I should put exactly? | Nov 14 18:42 |
| iophk | I'm not bureaucratic at all. | Nov 14 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | face time? talking time? | Nov 14 18:42 |
| iophk | yes talking time | Nov 14 18:42 |
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| iophk | you want them to come over and at least say hi to get the swag | Nov 14 18:42 |
| iophk | otherwise it just walks | Nov 14 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | yep true | Nov 14 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | it's not really been talked about much | Nov 14 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | yet | Nov 14 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | a table if at all as such really, but it's a good idea | Nov 14 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: older guy is also worrying about time | Nov 14 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | how long we will have with a paticar person etc | Nov 14 18:43 |
| iophk | that gets sorted on its own | Nov 14 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I propose that Mageia is used to at least show GNOME | Nov 14 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | maybe I should put that | Nov 14 18:44 |
| iophk | yes | Nov 14 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | I don't really care that much about the rest | Nov 14 18:44 |
| iophk | if you really worry about GNOME. But it's over as a DE | Nov 14 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I could put also this though: I propose Mageia is used to show KDE | Nov 14 18:44 |
| iophk | XFCE is getting a lot of buzz | Nov 14 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | I have two then | Nov 14 18:44 |
| iophk | yes KDE | Nov 14 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | I propse we have three or four distro's and the cut downversion | Nov 14 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: at the end of the day I don't care about Mint or Ubuntu | Nov 14 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | if Cinnamon is used in that uhmm right | Nov 14 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | shown | Nov 14 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | if Unity is shown in Ubuntu uhmm right | Nov 14 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ,but what I want is Mageia | Nov 14 18:45 |
| iophk | They're about the same, but Ubuntu has Unity andMint doesn't | Nov 14 18:45 |
| iophk | I can't make a remaster. | Nov 14 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they want a basic proposal | Nov 14 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | maybe it's time to not propose | Nov 14 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu or OPen Suse | Nov 14 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | even if I kind of want Ubuntu as well realy for Unityl | Nov 14 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't want to propse say 3 OS's, and then it becoming say, Mint, Open Suse, and Ubuntu, kicking Mageia out | Nov 14 18:46 |
| iophk | Then propose Mageia | Nov 14 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | maybe I should propse this: I propose that Open SUse is used for the cut down distro, but nothing else | Nov 14 18:47 |
| iophk | Mageia+ Ubuntu | Nov 14 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | and the cut down distro? | Nov 14 18:47 |
| iophk | That's a compromise that allows to use Suse | Nov 14 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | yeah exactly | Nov 14 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | unless I am more specific | Nov 14 18:48 |
| iophk | XFCE+KDE on Mageia, Cinnamon and Unity on Ubuntu and ?? on cut-down Suse | Nov 14 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe I just propose how I wnat Maeia to be used | Nov 14 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | and then whatever happes, happens | Nov 14 18:48 |
| iophk | yes | Nov 14 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | whatver happens with the other optoins | Nov 14 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | I propose having three OS',s plus the cut down. KDE and GNOME for Mageia, Mint for Cinnamon, Unity for Ubuntu, and something for a cut down distro | Nov 14 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | or I am more specific | Nov 14 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | and say it's Chris's cut dow distro | Nov 14 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | let him make his thing | Nov 14 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | for the cut down | Nov 14 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | Open Suse guy | Nov 14 18:50 |
| iophk | http://www.itwire.com/it-policy-news/regulation/62287-choice-weighs-in-on-tpp-copyright-debate | Nov 14 18:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itwire.com | CHOICE weighs in on TPP copyright debate [ http://ur1.ca/g1bzm ] | Nov 14 18:51 |
| sebsebseb | I propose having two distro's, plus a cut down version that Chris is responsible for, with GNOME and KDE being shown in Mageia, and Mint for Cinnaom, Unity for Ubuntu | Nov 14 18:52 |
| iophk | +1 | Nov 14 18:52 |
| iophk | http://www.itwire.com/it-policy-news/govenrment-tech-policy/62277-tpp-leak-reveals-australian-government-secrets | Nov 14 18:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itwire.com | TPP leak reveals Australian government secrets [ http://ur1.ca/g18kr ] | Nov 14 18:52 |
| MinceR | suse is especially a waste of resources | Nov 14 18:54 |
| iophk | It would set visitors on the wrong path. | Nov 14 18:56 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 14 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: MinceR no you two are anti Open SUse | Nov 14 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | the visiors to our eent won't know about the link to MS etc | Nov 14 19:02 |
| iophk | of course | Nov 14 19:02 |
| iophk | one learns over time | Nov 14 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | Open Suse is still better than running WIindows right? | Nov 14 19:02 |
| iophk | they won't know and it's the staff job to protect them | Nov 14 19:02 |
| iophk | false dichotomy | Nov 14 19:02 |
| iophk | there are better distros | Nov 14 19:02 |
| iophk | nearly all of them are better | Nov 14 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | the staff, even staff? | Nov 14 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | uh, but one of them has used SUSE for like over 10 years | Nov 14 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | event staff above | Nov 14 19:03 |
| iophk | he needs to get with the times | Nov 14 19:03 |
| iophk | things change | Nov 14 19:03 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: yes, i'm pro-free software | Nov 14 19:03 |
| iophk | his distro has changed | Nov 14 19:03 |
| MinceR | and suse is anti-free software | Nov 14 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | Suse is a bit like Fedora | Nov 14 19:03 |
| iophk | worse, it's anti-free masquerading as free | Nov 14 19:03 |
| MinceR | and the point is that they get users when the users don't know what they're getting into | Nov 14 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | it's a comuniity distro realy | Nov 14 19:03 |
| iophk | fedora is Free | Nov 14 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | ,but with big players behind it | Nov 14 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | commericla players | Nov 14 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | money | Nov 14 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | non volunteers | Nov 14 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | etc | Nov 14 19:03 |
| iophk | and patent traps and M$ products... | Nov 14 19:06 |
| MinceR | and low quality | Nov 14 19:08 |
| MinceR | users might get a bad first impression with suse and ubuntu | Nov 14 19:08 |
| iophk | Suse let the community down and turned on it, big time. | Nov 14 19:10 |
| iophk | Ubuntu looks like it might be doing the same. It has certainly not done well with privacy issues of late. | Nov 14 19:10 |
| iophk | There there was mono, but thankfully they have recovered. | Nov 14 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | jono: is here to defend your comment maybe :D ^ | Nov 14 19:11 |
| iophk | I've already said Unity is worth a try. | Nov 14 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Mageia and Ubuntu? | Nov 14 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | ike we discussed a few times | Nov 14 19:12 |
| iophk | yes | Nov 14 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | I can do a few propolsals :d | Nov 14 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia and MInt I could do as one to etc | Nov 14 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: altough I just got kind of recommended agaisnt GNOME in Mageia, since there's two programs that are resonsie for Intenret | Nov 14 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: network manager, and drakconnect, and they can conflict, and I had my own issues with htat | Nov 14 19:12 |
| sebsebseb | for KDE it's good though stil | Nov 14 19:13 |
| iophk | last I checked, Mint still had to be cleaned for mono. The remaster can do that. | Nov 14 19:15 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: oh I don't think the guy making the Mint remaster, cares much about Mono | Nov 14 19:18 |
| iophk | Then he won't mind removing it and replacing the one mono app with a superior alternative. | Nov 14 19:18 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: no I meant he woudn't care that it's in thr if it is | Nov 14 19:19 |
| iophk | then no mint | Nov 14 19:19 |
| iophk | it's not worth polluting machines | Nov 14 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Open Suse is in for KDE probaby | Nov 14 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | and Mint is in for Cinnamon probably | Nov 14 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu and Mageia ar probably both out | Nov 14 19:19 |
| iophk | Did you ever read this: | Nov 14 19:19 |
| iophk | http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061221081000710 | Nov 14 19:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.groklaw.net | Groklaw - Jeremy Allison Has Resigned from Novell to Protest MS Patent Deal [ http://ur1.ca/ffk3u ] | Nov 14 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I can try and proposals in their way, but I think Mageia is out | Nov 14 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | and probably Ubuntu to | Nov 14 19:20 |
| iophk | We'll you've convinced me that Mageia and Ubuntu are the best choices. | Nov 14 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: here'swhat someon said to me a little while ago to do with this: He seems set in his choices, sometimes you just have to get behind the idea and put any personal agenda 2nd. I think | Nov 14 19:20 |
| iophk | http://techrights.org/category/opensuse/ | Nov 14 19:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | OpenSUSE | Techrights | Nov 14 19:21 |
| MinceR | defending the community from the m$ patent trap is not a personal agenda, though | Nov 14 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: right, but you didn't like Open Suse anyway, and hes's been convivnced/influenced that Open Suse is a good choice and for KDE | Nov 14 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: no that was in response to, wat should I propose etc | Nov 14 19:21 |
| MinceR | others are convinced of "windows uber alles" or "macos uber alles". why do you care? | Nov 14 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I don't think these guys care much about stuff like that, they want to put codecs and Flash and Skype into the remasters | Nov 14 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | and Jitsi though as well since Open Suse supporter suggested it | Nov 14 19:22 |
| MinceR | that's bad enough | Nov 14 19:23 |
| MinceR | especially with skype | Nov 14 19:23 |
| iophk | besides Skype for linux is not going to be continued, in all likelihood. | Nov 14 19:23 |
| iophk | The new owner is not exactly supportive of other platforms than its own. Even then the support for their own is not great. | Nov 14 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well Microsoft did gie it a bit of an update, once they bought Skype out, altough I think that was many to put in the MS stuff | Nov 14 19:24 |
| MinceR | also, skype was never trustworthy from a security standpoint | Nov 14 19:24 |
| iophk | huge holes | Nov 14 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | spying | Nov 14 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | as well | Nov 14 19:24 |
| MinceR | bad design from the ground up | Nov 14 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they don't care about doing instal rwith local repo's, haing people understanidn how a pakage manager work | Nov 14 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: MinceR I think they just want to treat them like conumers at this eent, who don't realy unerstand stuffl | Nov 14 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | here you go | Nov 14 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | here's our alterantive | Nov 14 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | our produc,t go try this, come back for an install if you want, have fun | Nov 14 19:26 |
| MinceR | they won't see the best the platform has to offer | Nov 14 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: iophk this is a Mint and Open Suse, event already I think | Nov 14 19:26 |
| iophk | At least get the mono off of Mint | Nov 14 19:27 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: iophk apparatly there is a chance for other distro's such as Mageia and Ubunu though, but not a fair chance it seems, and far fraom a fair chance it seems | Nov 14 19:27 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Mono is yeah hmm, but Banshee is nice | Nov 14 19:28 |
| iophk | slow and crashy | Nov 14 19:28 |
| iophk | lots of problems | Nov 14 19:28 |
| iophk | Clementine is nicer all around | Nov 14 19:28 |
| sebsebseb | that' QT | Nov 14 19:28 |
| sebsebseb | app | Nov 14 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah I ike Clementine myself quite a bit | Nov 14 19:29 |
| iophk | Rhythmbox then | Nov 14 19:29 |
| iophk | that's what most distros seem to use | Nov 14 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: if I can put in proper proposals in their stye for that document | Nov 14 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia has a chance, or well appanratly | Nov 14 19:29 |
| iophk | yes give Mageia its chance | Nov 14 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: right yeah | Nov 14 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: but how? | Nov 14 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | what should I put as my proposals to give it a fair good chance? | Nov 14 19:32 |
| iophk | two distros, Mageia and Ubuntu, three DEs, XFCE, KDE and Unity. Four DEs if you must | Nov 14 19:34 |
| iophk | Give people a choice and a real demo of the options. | Nov 14 19:34 |
| sebsebseb | right ,but eeds to be mre pecific | Nov 14 19:35 |
| sebsebseb | a distro an interface, must go together | Nov 14 19:35 |
| iophk | Mageia: XFCE, KDE | Nov 14 19:35 |
| iophk | Ubuntu: Unity | Nov 14 19:35 |
| iophk | Those three give a wide variety. | Nov 14 19:36 |
| iophk | just by themselves. | Nov 14 19:36 |
| iophk | None is like the other. | Nov 14 19:36 |
| iophk | And they're all mainstream. | Nov 14 19:36 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: hmm | Nov 14 19:50 |
| sebsebseb | I still think Open Suse is goin to win KDE uh | Nov 14 19:50 |
| iophk | are you going to try for Mageia? | Nov 14 19:50 |
| sebsebseb | of course ;) | Nov 14 19:51 |
| iophk | good :) | Nov 14 19:51 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: type me some proposals? | Nov 14 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | in their style? | Nov 14 19:58 |
| iophk | The pastebin is gone. | Nov 14 19:59 |
| iophk | Their style was vague | Nov 14 19:59 |
| iophk | and unclear | Nov 14 19:59 |
| iophk | how would you propose Mageia with KDE, Mageia with XFCE, and Ubuntu with Unity? | Nov 14 20:02 |
| iophk | Wouldn't it be one line? | Nov 14 20:02 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah that pastebin was set to expire after an hour | Nov 14 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: got another one here: http://pastebin.com/2vEfVavp | Nov 14 20:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | pastebin.com | I have been away for a few days. On 13/11/13 08:31, Chris w - Pastebin.com | Nov 14 20:03 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: exactly the style is a bit unclear | Nov 14 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | or is it? | Nov 14 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | no mention of GNOME or Mageia | Nov 14 20:04 |
| sebsebseb | as intended by the it seems | Nov 14 20:04 |
| iophk | Do you mean 1. 2. and 3. etc are separate proposals? | Nov 14 20:04 |
| iophk | Proposal 4 would cover what you want. | Nov 14 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | yes they are sepreate proposals | Nov 14 20:05 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: PH and DF are two differnet peopel | Nov 14 20:05 |
| iophk | Right but 4 needs to be filled in. | Nov 14 20:06 |
| iophk | Number 2 also meets your needs | Nov 14 20:07 |
| iophk | Ally with them | Nov 14 20:07 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: what do I put then? | Nov 14 20:08 |
| iophk | Something short. | Nov 14 20:09 |
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| MinceR | gn | Nov 14 22:58 |
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| Odinx | hi | Nov 15 01:49 |
| Odinx | hi | Nov 15 02:29 |
| Odinx | Roy??????? | Nov 15 02:40 |
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| Snowleaksange | hello | Nov 15 03:09 |
| Odinx | hello Snowleaksange | Nov 15 03:18 |
| Snowleaksange | welcome Odinx | Nov 15 03:21 |
| Odinx | im new to this linux thing | Nov 15 03:25 |
| Odinx | can i install it if im running win8? | Nov 15 03:25 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286139 | Nov 15 03:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: With trillions in revenue&government (taxpayers') subsidies extracted from growing ntl' debt, corporations won't pay http://truth-out.org/opinion/item/19975-the-time-has-come-for-15-minimum-wage | Nov 15 03:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> truth-out.org | The Time Has Come for $15 Minimum Wage [ http://ur1.ca/g1g2r ] | Nov 15 03:28 |
| schestowitz | "In a system based on exploitation, any attempted solution that remains wholly within the bounds of that system will be exploitative as well. Raising the minimum wage to $15 would mean that instead of 2.9% of America making minimum wage, it would now be 45%. If you think that companies will give their employees raises to keep them up above the new minimum wage, then I've got a bridge to sell you. How long do you think it would take the | Nov 15 03:29 |
| schestowitz | corporations to raise their prices until those making the new minimum wage would have the same standard of "living" that minimum wage earners now try to make due with? But now instead of 2.9% you're looking at 45% trying to hustle to scrape by. Just as food stamps have become another type of corporate welfare, increasing the minimum wage would result in a massive transfer of wealth from the poorest to the richest." | Nov 15 03:29 |
| schestowitz | Interesting if true... counterintuitive.. | Nov 15 03:29 |
| schestowitz | [19:23] <iophk> besides Skype for linux is not going to be continued, in all likelihood. | Nov 15 03:33 |
| schestowitz | Esp. not after eveyone found out that the NSA is in it for the snoops and MS is in it perhaps for the NSA | Nov 15 03:33 |
| schestowitz | Odinx: hi | Nov 15 03:33 |
| schestowitz | [02:40] <Odinx> Roy??????? | Nov 15 03:34 |
| schestowitz | Do we know each other? | Nov 15 03:34 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3289719 | Nov 15 03:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Brightness Settings Completely Broken in Ubuntu 13.10 http://news.softpedia.com/news/Brightness-Settings-Completely-Broken-in-Ubuntu-13-10-399773.shtml so maybe Amazon won't be able to look at what you search for... | Nov 15 03:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | Brightness Settings Completely Broken in Ubuntu 13.10 [ http://ur1.ca/g1g3w ] | Nov 15 03:35 |
| schestowitz | "perhaps people can use Calise if they have a webcam" | Nov 15 03:35 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3289688 | Nov 15 03:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Nokia Under #Elop - His 3 Years: Performance Review - Worst CEO of All Time - All the Facts - In Pictures http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/11/nokia-under-elop-his-3-years-performance-review-worst-ceo-of-all-time-all-the-facts-in-pictures.html | Nov 15 03:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Nokia Under Elop - His 3 Years: Performance Review - Worst CEO of All Time - All the Facts - In Pictures [ http://ur1.ca/g182w ] | Nov 15 03:35 |
| schestowitz | "Hope Elop gets selected as the new Microsoft CEO. Keep doing the good job!" | Nov 15 03:35 |
| Odinx | schestowitz: yes | Nov 15 03:40 |
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| schestowitz | I temember the nick | Nov 15 03:52 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3289613 | Nov 15 03:52 |
| schestowitz | "FTL is truly a thing of beauty. Difficult but endlessly re-playable. Simple but deep. It has occupied many of my waking hours." | Nov 15 03:52 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285234 | Nov 15 03:52 |
| schestowitz | "I do think though that most people don't get that often the danger isn't someone sitting inbetween the server and the user sucking off data, but the NSA getting the data straight from the service provider themselves. Still, this is a fantastic first step. The next is getting quality freedom and privacy respecting web services. The step beyond that is self hosting for everyone." | Nov 15 03:52 |
| schestowitz | "Ok, maybe no everyone, but at least the people where laws around search and seizure in homes still mean anything.' | Nov 15 03:52 |
| schestowitz | BT has been using DPI while sucking up data, along with former employees (Phorm). I think that BT has been integral and instrumental in the GCHQ's (NSA's) work, but we haven't scratched the surface just yet | Nov 15 03:52 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3285942 | Nov 15 03:52 |
| schestowitz | "Like... I guess. Is CM still a force for good?" | Nov 15 03:52 |
| schestowitz | No less than Google | Nov 15 03:52 |
| schestowitz | Google could use some competition; it usually helps us, the users. | Nov 15 03:52 |
| schestowitz | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V4SqDx1vi4c | Nov 15 03:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Linux Games: Faster Than Light http://linuxaria.com/pills/linux-games-faster-than-light?lang=en | Nov 15 03:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> linuxaria.com | » Linuxaria – Everything about GNU/Linux and Open source Linux Games: Faster Than Light [ http://ur1.ca/g1g6p ] | Nov 15 03:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Snowden’s legacy: The open web could soon be encrypted by default http://gigaom.com/2013/11/13/snowdens-legacy-the-open-web-could-soon-be-encrypted-by-default/ #snowden #nsa #internet | Nov 15 03:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> gigaom.com | Snowden’s legacy: The open web could soon be encrypted by default — Tech News and Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/g15jz ] | Nov 15 03:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: CyanogenMod publishes new Installer app on Google Play http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/2013/11/cyanogenmod-publishes-installer-app-on-google-play/ #linux #CyanogenMod #android | Nov 15 03:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | CyanogenMod publishes new Installer app on Google Play | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g171j ] | Nov 15 03:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Grateful Dead - Box of Rain (Studio Version) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/g1g6s ] | Nov 15 03:52 |
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| Odinx | schestowitz: I have a question for you from ViolentJ | Nov 15 04:03 |
| Odinx | schestowitz: "How do magnets work?" | Nov 15 04:05 |
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| DaemonFC | I was over at a friend's house today. | Nov 15 06:56 |
| DaemonFC | Kind of hoping there's more there. He's really nice. | Nov 15 06:56 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't even been on a date in nearly six years. It seems like a disaster every time I get involved with someone. I just needed a lot of time to recover from the last one. It was a real mess. | Nov 15 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I don't know what it is about humans. Fascinating creatures, they are. | Nov 15 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 06:58 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 15 06:58 |
| DaemonFC | and by fascinating, I mean usually horrifying | Nov 15 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | keep your fingers crossed for me | Nov 15 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 06:59 |
| DaemonFC | https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/1395959_10151790639228581_1513547701_n.jpg | Nov 15 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | The car always starts. The bath water never gets cold. The pillows stay cool all night. Your laundry stays clean and smelling like a Hawaiian breeze no matter how many times you've worn it. Your hair permanently stays exactly like you want it. You get a surprise notice from the landlord that the rent is going down next year. Comcast error in your favor: billing stops and service stays on. The coffee maker never overflows onto your counter top | Nov 15 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | The cat learns to scoop his own box. If the third box is too late to help you, you find that your exes have all spontaneously combusted and everything will work out fine next time. Your parents call and apologize for everything. | Nov 15 07:30 |
| DaemonFC | https://scontent-b.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/1393712_10151994395874255_1191862260_n.jpg | Nov 15 07:33 |
| MinceR | how can i "steal" the "wi-fi" if it requires no password? | Nov 15 07:35 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: You steal their modem and router. | Nov 15 07:58 |
| DaemonFC | While you're committing petty theft anyway, you may as well make it grand larceny and get the computer, TV, jewelry, and anything else that looks valuable on the resale market. | Nov 15 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 15 07:59 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Then you steal a car, and then you steal a woman's handbag, and then you shoot a policeman, and take his helmet, then you use the toilet in his helmet, and send it to his grieving widow, and then you steal it again! | Nov 15 08:05 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer Their goal is to get everyone running the latest version. Sooner or later, the classic desktop will be removed and they will get to decide what software users are allowed to run. They'll say it's for "security" reasons, like Apple does, but it will really be to siphon 30% of a developer's gross income (which will get passed on to customers), and prevent users from running software which bypasses Digital Restrictions Malware (like | Nov 15 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | Daemon Tools). They would also like to stop you from using any software that competes with a Microsoft product. The European Union might force them to release a special edition that allows competing software in the store, but it will only be for European customers. Eventually, Windows XP, Vista, and 7 will be unsupported, and they will remove the ability to disable Restricted Boot. Of course, this is their wishlist. If enough people rejected | Nov 15 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | Microsoft now, they'd never get away with it. | Nov 15 08:07 |
| *DaemonFC on Windows 8 | Nov 15 08:07 | |
| DaemonFC | My friend had an "issue" and the entire file system got hosed and Windows 8 wouldn't reboot, and I tried my best to recover it, but it fought me at every step. | Nov 15 08:07 |
| DaemonFC | It looked like the hard disk was crashing. | Nov 15 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | The bad sectors were largely grouped together. | Nov 15 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | I've been preaching Fedora of course. | Nov 15 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | when he gets a new hard disk. | Nov 15 08:08 |
| DaemonFC | He saw my system the other day while I was downloading shit to try to get his laptop working again, long enough to back up anything that survived. | Nov 15 08:09 |
| DaemonFC | But the file system was too far gone to mount or repair. | Nov 15 08:09 |
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| *brendyn makes some backups after reading that story | Nov 15 08:18 | |
| DaemonFC | I told him that Fedora would have forwarded the SMART error messages to the desktop's notification system. | Nov 15 08:21 |
| DaemonFC | It alerted me to a hard disk that was failing. | Nov 15 08:21 |
| DaemonFC | I backed it up. A little while after the backup was done, the disk failed. | Nov 15 08:22 |
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| iophk1 | http://www.cio.com/article/743211/How_to_Run_Your_Small_Business_With_Free_Open_Source_Software | Nov 15 08:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cio.com | How to Run Your Small Business With Free Open Source Software - CIO.com [ http://ur1.ca/g1hl4 ] | Nov 15 08:23 |
| DaemonFC | I like Fedora. It's all I use now. I switched back over from Kubuntu a couple of years ago. | Nov 15 08:25 |
| DaemonFC | Their earlier releases had a reputation for being buggy. Right now I am using Fedora 20 Beta, and have been using it since the Alpha without problems. | Nov 15 08:25 |
| DaemonFC | I seriously have not ran into a single bug. | Nov 15 08:26 |
| DaemonFC | I'm back on KDE too. | Nov 15 08:26 |
| DaemonFC | 4.11.3 is good | Nov 15 08:26 |
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| iophk | http://www.itworld.com/open-source/382809/best-linux-distro-privacy-protection | Nov 15 08:26 |
| brendyn | pretty amazing | Nov 15 08:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itworld.com | Best Linux distro for privacy protection? | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/g1hlj ] | Nov 15 08:26 |
| DaemonFC | I'll upgrade to the 4.12 branch when KDE declares it to be beta, and the KDE Redhat team uploads it. | Nov 15 08:26 |
| iophk | http://www.techradar.com/news/software/operating-systems/which-linux-distro-is-best-for-protecting-your-privacy--1192771 | Nov 15 08:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.techradar.com | Which Linux distro is best for protecting your privacy? | News | TechRadar [ http://ur1.ca/g10ix ] | Nov 15 08:28 |
| iophk | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2063841/cybercriminals-target-silverlight-users-with-new-exploit-kit.html | Nov 15 08:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.pcworld.com | Cybercriminals target Silverlight browser plug-in users with new exploit kit | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/g1hnk ] | Nov 15 08:38 |
| iophk | http://www.itwire.com/it-policy-news/regulation/62288-tpp-a-%E2%80%98hugely-dangerous%E2%80%99-and-a-%E2%80%98looming-disaster%E2%80%99 | Nov 15 08:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itwire.com | TPP ‘hugely dangerous’ and a ‘looming disaster’ [ http://ur1.ca/g1hqx ] | Nov 15 08:53 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Nov 15 11:05 |
| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/denmark-blocks-major-movie-sites-norway-prepares-pirate-bay-blockade-131115/ | Nov 15 11:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Denmark Blocks Major Movie Sites, Norway Prepares Pirate Bay Blockade | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/g1j2u ] | Nov 15 11:57 |
| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/science/2013/11/recent-surface-warming-has-probably-been-underestimated/ | Nov 15 11:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Recent surface warming has probably been underestimated | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/g1j39 ] | Nov 15 11:58 |
| iophk | http://www.infoworld.com/d/the-industry-standard/shocker-women-outnumber-men-in-years-tech-hires-230810 | Nov 15 12:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | Shocker: Women outnumber men in this year's tech hires | The Industry Standard - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/g1j3u ] | Nov 15 12:01 |
| iophk | U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics. | Nov 15 12:01 |
| iophk | http://www.techrepublic.com/blog/linux-and-open-source/pre-loaded-linux-the-solution-to-a-mass-of-problems/ | Nov 15 12:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.techrepublic.com | Pre-loaded Linux: The solution to a mass of problems - TechRepublic [ http://ur1.ca/g1j45 ] | Nov 15 12:03 |
| iophk | I thought the story of Lindows returns was a myth. | Nov 15 12:04 |
| iophk | http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-11/15/encrypting-all-web-traffic | Nov 15 12:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.co.uk | Internet architects propose encrypting all the world's web traffic (Wired UK) [ http://ur1.ca/g1j5c ] | Nov 15 12:10 |
| iophk | Encrypting all web traffic will affect network loads, interfere with caching and other currently used techniques to reduce load. | Nov 15 12:15 |
| iophk | www.nbcnews.com/science/forests-disappearing-2000-google-cloud-maps-globaa | Nov 15 12:44 |
| iophk | http://www.nbcnews.com/science/forests-disappearing-2000-google-cloud-maps-globaa | Nov 15 12:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ( status 404 @ http://www.nbcnews.com/science/forests-disappearing-2000-google-cloud-maps-globaa ) | Nov 15 12:44 |
| Guest63470 | https://twitter.com/ch_s/status/401290269913788416 | Nov 15 13:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @ch_s: @schestowitz : TBH Oracle has other problems to worry about these days #healthcare .gov blunder in the US :-) | Nov 15 13:30 |
| iophk | Oracle would also have this to worry about, too: | Nov 15 14:00 |
| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/11/15/revenge-of-the-dragon/ | Nov 15 14:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | Revenge of the Dragon | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/g1jn2 ] | Nov 15 14:00 |
| iophk | China, IIRC, got a lot of inside information from M$ a while back. | Nov 15 14:01 |
| iophk | So they know just how little the company and its products can be trusted. | Nov 15 14:01 |
| iophk | It's not like M$ pays any taxes, so the US loses little from this. Only annoying M$ loses, and that's a gain for the world. | Nov 15 14:01 |
| schestowitz_log_ | https://twitter.com/csoghoian/status/40134633697850982 | Nov 15 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | No message found | Nov 15 14:12 |
| schestowitz_log_ | https://twitter.com/csoghoian/status/401346336978509824 | Nov 15 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @csoghoian: How do US execs justify the secret deals they make with US intel agencies? The risk of shareholder lawsuits if discovered must be huge. | Nov 15 14:12 |
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| schestowitz_log_ | <Guest90894> @FSFEfrance An #ebook with #DRM is no book, says French | Nov 15 14:40 |
| schestowitz_log_ | <Guest90894> retweeted by national assembly. No more lower VAT for | Nov 15 14:40 |
| schestowitz_log_ | <Guest90894> @glynmoody DRM-encumbered eBooks in France, when the law | Nov 15 14:40 |
| schestowitz_log_ | <Guest90894> is passed | Nov 15 14:40 |
| schestowitz_log_ | <Guest90894> ........................................ http://ur1.ca/g1j9v | Nov 15 14:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @FSFEfrance: An #ebook with #DRM is no book, says French national assembly. No more lower VAT for DRM-encumbered eBooks in France, when the law is passed | Nov 15 14:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | (Re-tweeted by glynmoody) | Nov 15 14:40 |
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| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/11/15/chromebooks-eating-ms-lunch/ | Nov 15 19:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | Chromebooks Eating M$’s Lunch | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/g1las ] | Nov 15 19:07 |
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| sebsebseb | Nov 15 19:19 | |
| sebsebseb | iophk: hmm older guy wants GNOME 2 (I think he means Mate really), instead of GNOME 3 | Nov 15 19:19 |
| iophk | Probably means Mate | Nov 15 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well it dcoenst' say that | Nov 15 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I gues so | Nov 15 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: been working on proposals today in their style to | Nov 15 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | going to try and find out that it's ok to propse for 2 3 and even 4 distros though | Nov 15 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | before sending something off | Nov 15 19:20 |
| iophk | cool | Nov 15 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: been putting stuff in the style though | Nov 15 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | so hepfully this time ok | Nov 15 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | so hepfully this time okis just a change since interface etc | Nov 15 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybbe better to give WIndows users mate | Nov 15 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | on the other hand younger ones may like GNOME 3 | Nov 15 19:22 |
| iophk | You could use the opportunity to do some testing. Find out what former Windows users like. | Nov 15 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: to late now | Nov 15 19:24 |
| sebsebseb | would have been good to have tried to do some userbility testing though in a way | Nov 15 19:25 |
| iophk | So bureaucratic. | Nov 15 19:25 |
| iophk | Usability testing would be valuable. | Nov 15 19:25 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ,but nope the decioss get made on Tuesday for what will be used for the evet | Nov 15 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | hmm if KDE is shown in Open SUse | Nov 15 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | and Mate is shown in Mint | Nov 15 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | where does Mageai come into things? right it doesn't seem too | Nov 15 19:26 |
| iophk | I thought you had written other plans. | Nov 15 19:26 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: other plans? | Nov 15 19:27 |
| sebsebseb | they didn't like how I proposed | Nov 15 19:27 |
| sebsebseb | so I have to do things i their style | Nov 15 19:27 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: oh let's show Mate nstead of GNOME 3, let's kick Mageia out | Nov 15 19:28 |
| iophk | Why? | Nov 15 19:28 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybbe I'll just be honest with people at the event here and there about things, if I don't quite get my way | Nov 15 19:28 |
| sebsebseb | I know what I can be like | Nov 15 19:28 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well it seems don't need both Open Suse and Mahiea, and Open Suse is getting the votes so | Nov 15 19:28 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and there's no Mgeia 4 live session for Cinnamon or Mate, so I guess Mint is in for that then? | Nov 15 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | I can't just say Mageia for those, and proviide a live session to remaster? | Nov 15 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Mageia is a mainly KDE and GNOME focussed distro, maye that will be it's let down, for this particular event | Nov 15 19:29 |
| sebsebseb | since openSUSE | Nov 15 19:30 |
| iophk | Mageia for KDE then | Nov 15 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | which is also a very KDE focussed distro, that provides GNOME to | Nov 15 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: could maybe try and make an unofficl Live session for Mate and Cinnanonm, but I don't think that's the way to go | Nov 15 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: no you saw htose proposals | Nov 15 19:30 |
| sebsebseb | the other two guys one of whihc is the event co ordinater has voted openSUSE for KDE | Nov 15 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | which in fact out of the four of us who will be there on Tuesday, leaves only myself, and the openSUSE guy and guess what the openSUSE guy wil want right hmm | Nov 15 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so three votes for KDE in openSUSE | Nov 15 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | maybe in a way a fourth one to from the guy that's away | Nov 15 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | an so that's me out voted for that one | Nov 15 19:31 |
| sebsebseb | and GNOME may not be in either as in GNOME 3, so Mageia is out then, since no live sesoin for Mate and Cinnamon hmm so Mint | Nov 15 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they don'tseem to think ike me, tat it may be goo to have two distros showing KDE | Nov 15 19:32 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well I got Brussuels coming up to celebreate the Maegai 4 release etc :) | Nov 15 19:33 |
| sebsebseb | at a proper pen source free software event | Nov 15 19:33 |
| sebsebseb | the internatonally recognised FOSDEM! | Nov 15 19:33 |
| iophk | Sounds better. | Nov 15 19:33 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ,but for this event it's looking like distros that aren't that great really in March and WIndows like interfaces in them | Nov 15 19:34 |
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| sebsebseb | iophk: why is he puttng the wrong date in the emal asking wht bringing uh | Nov 15 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: should I bother with a fourth propa tat mentions Open SUse I Wonder hmm | Nov 15 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I mean, KDE and GNOME in both Mageia and Open Suse | Nov 15 19:42 |
| iophk | Suse is toxic. | Nov 15 19:42 |
| sebsebseb | Suse is the winner for this event it seems with Mint, and possibly Ubuntu | Nov 15 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Open Suse is what's causing the problems for me | Nov 15 19:43 |
| iophk | same thing | Nov 15 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | well the guy who likes it since he suggested | Nov 15 19:43 |
| MinceR | if suse wins, almost everybody loses | Nov 15 19:43 |
| sebsebseb | and has influenced the event co ordinater to go with it for KDE to it seems uh | Nov 15 19:43 |
| iophk | KDE on Mageia, like in your proposal | Nov 15 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and two or so years ago he was like I don't care what distros is used for such an eent, uh right, look at now hmm | Nov 15 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well done quite a few propaosl earlier | Nov 15 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | Mint, Cinnamon.... | Nov 15 19:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: started doing a fourth to that mentioend Open SUse, maybe that's exactly what i shoudnt be doing! | Nov 15 19:44 |
| iophk | right | Nov 15 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | it may win, but me propsing itas a fourth thing? altough that was to go with Mageia | Nov 15 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | baially Open SUSE won it's there, let's have Magiea to, that knd of propsal | Nov 15 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I am going to propse for 2 distros, 3 distro,s nad possily 4 to incluing Open SUS as I just said | Nov 15 19:45 |
| sebsebseb | probably all my propoals will get rejected though or pretty much since uh | Nov 15 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I asume its ok to propse ike that, | Nov 15 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | was thinkng of emailing to check, but hmm | Nov 15 19:46 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: hmm emal sent | Nov 15 19:58 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: may as well check tht, instad of maing proposlas fo 2 3 an 4, and then gettin no not like that | Nov 15 19:59 |
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| MinceR | http://shatasm.blogspot.com/ | Nov 15 20:29 |
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| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: Do you stll like Mnt a lot or? | Nov 15 21:40 |
| MinceR | ...not | Nov 15 21:42 |
| ThistleWeb | looking forward to 16 with the new cinimamon | Nov 15 21:43 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: hmm? | Nov 15 21:43 |
| ThistleWeb | but not in a while | Nov 15 21:43 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: i completed your sentence. | Nov 15 21:43 |
| sebsebseb | yeah what do you use now then? | Nov 15 21:44 |
| ThistleWeb | crunchbang for a while | Nov 15 21:44 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: have you used openSUSE properly before by the way, and if so what did you think? | Nov 15 21:44 |
| ThistleWeb | not really, did it once, it was decent | Nov 15 21:44 |
| sebsebseb | well I am a bit uhmm | Nov 15 21:44 |
| sebsebseb | annoyed about stuff at the moment | Nov 15 21:44 |
| sebsebseb | helping orgnaise an event, but | Nov 15 21:45 |
| sebsebseb | aimed at Joe and Jane Average, but | Nov 15 21:45 |
| sebsebseb | to get htem to use Linux isntead of Windows or as wlel as ,but we coudn't just properly decide at the begining what distrs to have and interfaces | Nov 15 21:45 |
| sebsebseb | I thought would be going wiht it all realy or pretty much, but nope, now it's about propsed votes, and then voting on Tuesday, looks to me like Mageia is out already and possibly Ubuntu as wlel | Nov 15 21:46 |
| sebsebseb | and we got four distros, but meant too go down to only 2 or 3 really etc, it's a mess really | Nov 15 21:46 |
| sebsebseb | and the openSUSE guy has convinced the eent co orditaer to propse openSUSE KDE it seems to, and Ubuntu guy di htat to, and uh | Nov 15 21:46 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: I don't think I got friends there really to to be honest, and this is all doe on peoples personal opinions, with promotoins and demo's of the remaseters on Tuesday, I have a feeling I am not going to get my way though, whatever I propose | Nov 15 21:47 |
| sebsebseb | annoying | Nov 15 21:47 |
| sebsebseb | it's like convncing Linuxusers with alread their own opinion, to go with thaat other one for event | Nov 15 21:48 |
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| ThistleWeb | last I tried oensuse I found it was decent actually | Nov 15 21:53 |
| ThistleWeb | I got annoyed with dolphin and the way it handles media files on the nas | Nov 15 21:53 |
| ThistleWeb | it wouldn't play them, wanted to downloaed them, and ket demanding the user / pass | Nov 15 21:54 |
| ThistleWeb | it drove me nuts to the point that it was a dealbreaker, I think that was kde tho | Nov 15 21:54 |
| ThistleWeb | opensuse has a fantastic control center as far as I recall | Nov 15 21:55 |
| ThistleWeb | when I tried it, it was the middle of the whole unity, gnome, gtk not working great time | Nov 15 21:56 |
| ThistleWeb | so I was scrambling around for something decent when none of the distros were doing a great job due to their DEs not being well baked | Nov 15 21:56 |
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| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: yeah exactly it's got a control centre to | Nov 15 22:13 |
| sebsebseb | not just Mageia so hmm | Nov 15 22:13 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: Mageia has a good control centre to, but that may not win them over to have Mageia for this event to, it turns out uh | Nov 15 22:14 |
| ThistleWeb | dunno what to say, but the whole mandrake / mandriva popularity train left the station many yrs ago | Nov 15 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | I think the whole Mandriva/Mandrake et legacy, has been around for longer than SUSE has existed to in any form? | Nov 15 22:14 |
| ThistleWeb | and? | Nov 15 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | sure, but Mageia is quite popular still now | Nov 15 22:14 |
| ThistleWeb | it's about whether people care or not | Nov 15 22:14 |
| ThistleWeb | suse has always been kept going | Nov 15 22:14 |
| sebsebseb | I think they all got perosnal opions and poloticsal these other orgnaisers | Nov 15 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | I Think Maegia is out | Nov 15 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | I find out on Tuesday | Nov 15 22:15 |
| ThistleWeb | the whole mandriva line went DOA many times | Nov 15 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I been thinkn it's out every since he's like let's do a vote and then more os when I see proposls etc | Nov 15 22:15 |
| sebsebseb | what do you mean DOA? | Nov 15 22:15 |
| ThistleWeb | DOA - dead on arrival | Nov 15 22:16 |
| ThistleWeb | people moved on | Nov 15 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | Magei has been good ever since that started | Nov 15 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | also Open SUSE is linked to Microsoft, and all that, as MinceR and iophok (who isn't i here right ow) woud say | Nov 15 22:16 |
| ThistleWeb | linux users generally lost patience with that whole line, they're happy with what they;ve found, there's no reason to even care that a new mandriva line is available | Nov 15 22:16 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I don't think stuff like that wil matter for htis event | Nov 15 22:17 |
| ThistleWeb | it's about what people care about, they don't about mageia | Nov 15 22:17 |
| ThistleWeb | you were always fighting an uphil battle | Nov 15 22:17 |
| MinceR | i think what users get hooked on matters | Nov 15 22:17 |
| MinceR | as for DEs, what users see matters | Nov 15 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: for the event, it's what people think Windows users wnat | Nov 15 22:17 |
| sebsebseb | ,but the people making the decisons all have their own prefered distros and de's etc | Nov 15 22:18 |
| MinceR | (i.e. that there are better options than kde, gnome and unity) | Nov 15 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | and what htey think is best for WIndows users etc | Nov 15 22:18 |
| ThistleWeb | plenty of folks who used to love mandrake / mandriva are happy using fedora, ubuntu, mint etc | Nov 15 22:18 |
| ThistleWeb | then where's the difference? it's easy to use? like loads of others | Nov 15 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | quite a few who used to use Ubuntu are happy using Mageia, me included for that one, but I switched away from Ubuntu before Unity | Nov 15 22:18 |
| ThistleWeb | the DE is the same as other distros | Nov 15 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | the GNOME 2 patchin etc | Nov 15 22:18 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: that's the issue I think, what is the ral differnce then? | Nov 15 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | Magiea vs Open SUSE | Nov 15 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | they both run KDE and GNOME | Nov 15 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | they both have control centres hmm | Nov 15 22:19 |
| ThistleWeb | well, opensuse has a LONG pedegree of corporate support | Nov 15 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | oh a nice welcome screen is coming for Mageia 4, but even if I show that some hwo on Tuesday, is that going to make them think Mgiea for this event I am not so sure | Nov 15 22:19 |
| ThistleWeb | it's been refined and polished for many years | Nov 15 22:19 |
| sebsebseb | and Mageia has loads of the former developers etc | Nov 15 22:20 |
| ThistleWeb | you have to find a way to sell it as doing something the many other polished distros don't | Nov 15 22:20 |
| ThistleWeb | a "me too" won't cut it | Nov 15 22:20 |
| ThistleWeb | people need a reason to step outside their comfort zone | Nov 15 22:21 |
| ThistleWeb | they may try magiea, if they can spell it right to search for the site | Nov 15 22:21 |
| sebsebseb | and loads of quality assurance tsting etc, goes into even the milestones, the alphas, beta, rc etc | Nov 15 22:21 |
| sebsebseb | yes seems so for Tuesday, but that's an issue | Nov 15 22:21 |
| sebsebseb | well I am meant to show a demo remaaster or more on Tuesday | Nov 15 22:22 |
| ThistleWeb | I've never tried it, even in virtyualbox | Nov 15 22:22 |
| ThistleWeb | virtualbox | Nov 15 22:22 |
| sebsebseb | and I got five i minutes to try and proote it in a talk | Nov 15 22:22 |
| sebsebseb | then go through the proposals,, and vote on stuff | Nov 15 22:22 |
| ThistleWeb | rpm might be an issue for some folks, fedora / RH know RPM, it's their format, and suse has a long history of it, so they know it inside out too | Nov 15 22:23 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: and annongily I can't really push it for Mint and Cinnamon instead of Mint, because that will only be in the repo's for Mageai 4, no live sesions | Nov 15 22:23 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: Mageia uses RPM as well | Nov 15 22:23 |
| sebsebseb | with urpmi not yum etc | Nov 15 22:23 |
| ThistleWeb | I know it uses rpm, that's my point | Nov 15 22:23 |
| sebsebseb | oh you mean can't sell it in that way | Nov 15 22:24 |
| sebsebseb | can't say like, oh it's better tha your package manaer | Nov 15 22:24 |
| sebsebseb | for SUSE, beuse it's pretty much the same thing really | Nov 15 22:24 |
| sebsebseb | they are both RPM | Nov 15 22:24 |
| ThistleWeb | rpm has had issues of broken packages for folks | Nov 15 22:24 |
| ThistleWeb | it may be a thing of the past,like BSOD's but it was promenant enough that it tainted folks opinions of rpm | Nov 15 22:25 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: I am thinking it may be out, for Open SUSE, since how he persuaded the event co ordinater alredy, and someone else it seemes enough | Nov 15 22:25 |
| ThistleWeb | open suse has always been slick | Nov 15 22:25 |
| MinceR | has opensuse managed to make a usable netinstaller already? | Nov 15 22:25 |
| sebsebseb | and the ther's a guy away, but he watever, and that's fou of us voting, on Tuesday, incling the guy who wants openSUSE | Nov 15 22:25 |
| MinceR | (not the one that has you enter the ip address of an ftp server and the full path on it) | Nov 15 22:25 |
| sebsebseb | so 3 votes for openSUSE nad I am voted out | Nov 15 22:25 |
| ThistleWeb | how much upheavel has there been around the mandrake bloodline? with distros coming and going? | Nov 15 22:25 |
| sebsebseb | PC Linus OS is still there since 2003 | Nov 15 22:26 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia is going well on it's way to Megeia 4 final release | Nov 15 22:26 |
| ThistleWeb | yep, apart form that year or so where he disappeared | Nov 15 22:26 |
| MinceR | debian is still here since 1993 | Nov 15 22:26 |
| sebsebseb | Mandriva itself is dead as a distributer, but there's oing to e a OpenMandria/Moondrake | Nov 15 22:26 |
| sebsebseb | Unity Linux is still around a Mandriva like distro, distro bbuiler type thing | Nov 15 22:27 |
| sebsebseb | ROSA is still around to the Russian thing bsd on Mandria etc | Nov 15 22:27 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah, because the mandriva thing is the first thing that linux folks think when they hear unity | Nov 15 22:27 |
| sebsebseb | it's got nothing to do with Canonical Ubuntu Unity | Nov 15 22:27 |
| sebsebseb | also Unty Linux was first as far as I know | Nov 15 22:28 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 15 22:28 |
| ThistleWeb | rosa, yes, so far down the distrowatch charts that you blink and miss it | Nov 15 22:28 |
| sebsebseb | sure, but last time I looked their site was only in Rusian really | Nov 15 22:28 |
| ThistleWeb | and? GNU like that claim, but most folks call it just linux | Nov 15 22:28 |
| ThistleWeb | it's not about first, it's about what people know | Nov 15 22:28 |
| sebsebseb | I don't think many people use ROSA, exept for some Russsians and that'sa bout it | Nov 15 22:28 |
| ThistleWeb | exactly | Nov 15 22:28 |
| sebsebseb | Mandriva 2011 got ROSA stuff put into the KDE though | Nov 15 22:29 |
| ThistleWeb | I reckon a lot of people think magiea is cute, but doesn't really have much of a reason to exist | Nov 15 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | well it's gone down on distro wath from 2 sadly | Nov 15 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | I noticed more recenty | Nov 15 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | ,but still there in the top 5 or 10 | Nov 15 22:29 |
| MinceR | if it's about what people know, might as well show them winblows | Nov 15 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | I think since it's on a 9 months release cycle | Nov 15 22:29 |
| sebsebseb | and that new distro based on Mandriva | Nov 15 22:30 |
| MinceR | and not go too far there either because you might find something they don't know | Nov 15 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | stuf has woren out a bit I think too be honest | Nov 15 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | ,but still there in the top 10 on distrowatch, and it's going well the distro | Nov 15 22:30 |
| MinceR | i thought the whole point was to introduce people to something they don't know :> | Nov 15 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: of the event yes to Liux | Nov 15 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | ,but Linux has many difernet forms/distros with many difernet looks/interfacese and that's our issue | Nov 15 22:30 |
| sebsebseb | for this event at the moment, what to go with exatly, what distro and for what interface | Nov 15 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: that's for the event abvoe | Nov 15 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: I think yourtrying tosay a distro need to do something ground breaking | Nov 15 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: that the others don't do ? | Nov 15 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | or posiblly | Nov 15 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | otherwise it's jut why use that one over that, when they run the same software and kind of software really? | Nov 15 22:31 |
| sebsebseb | I mean in genral it's nice having upstream for loads of stuff, and distros following that, but they should do differences here and there really | Nov 15 22:32 |
| sebsebseb | and not just branding an things like that, well that's a debate. Unity was Canonial attemps at doing tht something differnet, but they annoyed a lot of their community at th same time with it | Nov 15 22:32 |
| ThistleWeb | many distros don't really have a reason to exist | Nov 15 22:33 |
| MinceR | well, it is something different | Nov 15 22:33 |
| ThistleWeb | other than for the few people whos needs it serves | Nov 15 22:33 |
| MinceR | ...different from what makes sense. :> | Nov 15 22:33 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: most of the distro's basd on Ubuntu I agree with you there, most of them don't reallly have a proper reason to exist | Nov 15 22:33 |
| ThistleWeb | there's way too many ubuntu dericvs too, exactly | Nov 15 22:33 |
| ThistleWeb | derivs* | Nov 15 22:33 |
| MinceR | i never get these "way too many" arguments | Nov 15 22:34 |
| MinceR | you don't have to use all of them | Nov 15 22:34 |
| ThistleWeb | true, it's a survival of the most useful | Nov 15 22:34 |
| ThistleWeb | mint started as "ubuntu with codecs" and grew into it's own thing | Nov 15 22:34 |
| sebsebseb | yep way to many, but now even Mint doesn't have as much of a reason to eist, dpeendin on how you look at it, Cinnamon can run in other distros :), Mate an to, oh and that's a Arch thing really. Mint began as a distro for those who found ith ard to get codecs into Ubuntu, now it's a Unity haters/dislikers distro really | Nov 15 22:34 |
| sebsebseb | oh we were typing the same thing | Nov 15 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | around same time :d | Nov 15 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | codecs thing etc | Nov 15 22:35 |
| MinceR | unity could probably run in other distros too | Nov 15 22:35 |
| MinceR | just probably there aren't many people who care for it | Nov 15 22:35 |
| sebsebseb | in general I think it's good to have distro choice and interface choice, but in the case of distros that are just based on some other distro, not a proper fork like Maeia is or like PC Lnux OS was, well yeah most of those are just remasters realy, and don't hae muchof a rason to eist | Nov 15 22:36 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yep indeed to the Unity comment | Nov 15 22:36 |
| ThistleWeb | magiea could be seen as a distro that will flash into existence, get some traction for a few years, then disappear.......like the majority of the mandrake rebirths | Nov 15 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: Do you think Joe and Jane average should get to see Unity and take a USB home with it on, at the event I was tellng you about? | Nov 15 22:37 |
| ThistleWeb | so what's the poiint of giving it any "we're here to stay" time | Nov 15 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | I bbelie it is here to stay | Nov 15 22:37 |
| ThistleWeb | unity as a DE has advantages for some end users | Nov 15 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | as long as the project has eough money, and that's public, and things are good at the moment there's profit etc | Nov 15 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | do you Unity shold be at this event aimed at the public? | Nov 15 22:37 |
| ThistleWeb | canonical are one of the few who can spend money on proper research | Nov 15 22:37 |
| sebsebseb | ,but that means Ubuntu needs in, and as one of the 3 distros | Nov 15 22:38 |
| ThistleWeb | the result of that concept is Unity, so I'd say it suits their target audience well | Nov 15 22:38 |
| sebsebseb | probably only going to og with 3 distros, and we got these as the propsed ones at the mment, Mint, Open Suse, Mageia, and Ubuntu | Nov 15 22:38 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: yep that's been my thing for why I think Unit should probably be in, since it's aimed at those kind of users | Nov 15 22:38 |
| ThistleWeb | I'd consider ubuntu and suse to have two seats booked | Nov 15 22:39 |
| sebsebseb | also I did read about smoe userbility studies with it in the past, I want Unity in, let's see if thos kind of users like it or not really | Nov 15 22:39 |
| ThistleWeb | the thrid, well, that's in the eyes of the beholder | Nov 15 22:39 |
| sebsebseb | I think openSUSE with KDE is in, beause two of them already propsed that inclding the event co ordinater and the guy who wants Ubuntu, and obviosuly the OpenSUSE guy wants that, so that's 3 votes for openSUS and there's ony 5 of us | Nov 15 22:39 |
| sebsebseb | I think Mint with Cinnamon is probably in, since event co ordinter wants that, and also the guy wanting that | Nov 15 22:40 |
| sebsebseb | and most of them are against Unity they don't like it, it seems | Nov 15 22:40 |
| ThistleWeb | ubuntu has more users than every other disrto put together, yer smoking crack if ya think ubuntu is;t going to be one of the 3 | Nov 15 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | or event co ordinter anyway, but yeah that may be in depends. ,but things realy do point to Magiea being out, unless I can convnce htem on Tuesday hmm, and I been thinking like this for like two weeks already | Nov 15 22:41 |
| ThistleWeb | suse has the "big name IT brand" behind it option | Nov 15 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: that's how he propsed it, he did the user thing etc, mots users, I been thinking hte same though, it would be strange to have this event, without Ubuntu really | Nov 15 22:41 |
| sebsebseb | the Ubuntu guy | Nov 15 22:42 |
| ThistleWeb | the other two, one has full compatibility with the poster child, the other is a reheated fart from the 2000's | Nov 15 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | the other two ??? which to which? | Nov 15 22:42 |
| ThistleWeb | mint and magiea | Nov 15 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: it seems Mageia is out yeah, no one has voted for that | Nov 15 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | so far anway | Nov 15 22:42 |
| sebsebseb | and openSUSE can run KDE, and GNOME 3, or could have a GNOME 2 like interface with Mate in Mint or whatever soyeah | Nov 15 22:42 |
| ThistleWeb | you seriously didn't think mageia wouldn't be an uphill battle when you got involved with it? | Nov 15 22:43 |
| ThistleWeb | to convince even linux users to try it, let alone install it | Nov 15 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | he updated the proposals earlier eent co orrdinater after I sugestd GNOME 3 for Mageia, he was like if we agree to have GNOME I think it should be GNOME 2 | Nov 15 22:43 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: if your askig me if I thought it would be a challenge in that way | Nov 15 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | I don't think I gave that much thought to that if any really to begin with, but after that eent whre I did a talk about it a lighting talk | Nov 15 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | and I got aked to compare it afterwoulds well | Nov 15 22:44 |
| sebsebseb | some of them were like to me, why use that over Ubuntu? | Nov 15 22:45 |
| ThistleWeb | folks who are new to linux will go for the best supported ones, which generally means ubuntu.....if there's ontly one PPA for a peivce of software, or a compiled binary, it'll be a deb for ubuntu | Nov 15 22:46 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: I guess Open SUSE is more known for example if that's what you mean as well, yes it's got a lower rating in distrowatch at the moment than Magia, but it's still more known really | Nov 15 22:46 |
| ThistleWeb | folks who are used to linux, will possibly distro hop and find their own | Nov 15 22:46 |
| sebsebseb | the best supportedones yeh, well Ubuntu for sure for that | Nov 15 22:46 |
| MinceR | or they'll be turned off by ubuntu | Nov 15 22:46 |
| MinceR | and suse | Nov 15 22:46 |
| sebsebseb | Mint has a small, but nice IRC network | Nov 15 22:46 |
| ThistleWeb | plenty want the assurance that it'll be around for a few years before they atart to make the mental switch of alegiance | Nov 15 22:47 |
| sebsebseb | the SUSE channel on here seems toh ae quit a efw people, but so does #mageia in copariosn really, and think forums will be good for all of those distros | Nov 15 22:47 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: that it will be around a few years yeah, you have a point there as wel really. Mandrva in some form or the other been around many years, but Mgea itself first release well 1st jUne 2011 | Nov 15 22:48 |
| sebsebseb | I know that Mageia wll be around for many yars to come though | Nov 15 22:48 |
| sebsebseb | I am qute sure of it | Nov 15 22:48 |
| sebsebseb | well unless the project complety runs out of mone that is | Nov 15 22:48 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: maybe it does sound better to put on a 13 or 15 or whateer it is, than a 3 or a 4 | Nov 15 22:48 |
| sebsebseb | distro versio numbers | Nov 15 22:49 |
| ThistleWeb | how many people don't spell magiea right? | Nov 15 22:49 |
| MinceR | there's at least one already :> | Nov 15 22:50 |
| ThistleWeb | the i e and a are odd | Nov 15 22:50 |
| ThistleWeb | at least for westerners | Nov 15 22:50 |
| ThistleWeb | yeah that was an uninentional typoe | Nov 15 22:50 |
| MinceR | doesn't seem odd | Nov 15 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | oh if I am not speing it right well it's, because I am on my netbook keybord | Nov 15 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | I am not as used to typing on this one | Nov 15 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | and it's Mageia | Nov 15 22:50 |
| MinceR | seems like just "magic" in greek to me | Nov 15 22:50 |
| sebsebseb | yep that's what it means what MinceR put | Nov 15 22:50 |
| MinceR | then again, it helps that it translates to "mágia" in hungarian | Nov 15 22:51 |
| MinceR | which is relatively close. | Nov 15 22:51 |
| *sebsebseb thinks ThistleWeb made some interesting points | Nov 15 22:51 | |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: so if it's voted out on Tuesday (as it probaly will be hmm), how do you think I should react? | Nov 15 22:51 |
| ThistleWeb | I don't really distro hop these days, but even when I did, I never even downloaded magiea | Nov 15 22:52 |
| ThistleWeb | I just had no interest in it | Nov 15 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | right and I never really gave OpenSUSE a proper try either | Nov 15 22:52 |
| ThistleWeb | for me, my comfy slippers are in the whole deb family | Nov 15 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | I treid yast from some Live DVD, but didnt' get far with it, I also tried to virtual machine the other day/night what will become the releae soon | Nov 15 22:52 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: yeah the comfy slippers in the Debfamily got two of htem ike that | Nov 15 22:53 |
| ThistleWeb | as an rpm distro, that's a huge factor counting against many folks even trying it | Nov 15 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | the one who wanted Mint, and the one who wanted Ubuntu | Nov 15 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | well openSUE is RPM as well as you put arlier | Nov 15 22:53 |
| ThistleWeb | would magiea stand a better chance if it was deb? very likely | Nov 15 22:53 |
| sebsebseb | in this case yeah maybe actsualy | Nov 15 22:54 |
| MinceR | i don't get most of the package manager hate | Nov 15 22:54 |
| ThistleWeb | yes, and I already explained why opensuse is a bit different, or at least it's gettng a more welcome | Nov 15 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | I could have easily done a remater many weeks ago etc | Nov 15 22:54 |
| MinceR | i mean, sure, conary is idiotic and yum is somewhat unreliable, but i don't see what's inherently wrong about rpm | Nov 15 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: that's smething else, I coudn't show htem a remaster like they wanted, when they oringally wanted, sine I had to find out how to make the ting first | Nov 15 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | and that really wasn't simple | Nov 15 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | ,but now that I know how to do it, it's alright | Nov 15 22:54 |
| sebsebseb | ,but there was a whole proccess of trying to find out and it all being uh | Nov 15 22:55 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: you think SUSE has more of a chance, since the commerical feel and sponsers even? | Nov 15 22:55 |
| ThistleWeb | why even offer a remaster? isn't the point that you can get folks who see it to think "oh that's cool, can I get the link, CD whatever"? if you offer a custom one off respin that wont represent the expreience they get if they choose it | Nov 15 22:55 |
| ThistleWeb | not to mention many more years of dedicated development, refinement and support | Nov 15 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | yeah openSUSE has that commercal feel to it I guess, that Magiea won't have since it's a proper in the spirot of being a community distro, community distro where everyone is a volunteer | Nov 15 22:56 |
| ThistleWeb | the suse people know it inside out | Nov 15 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | the SUSE ele know what inside out? | Nov 15 22:56 |
| sebsebseb | people | Nov 15 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | guess who wanted the remasters in the first place, and convincned the eent co ordinater to have them, when he didn't realy know about them | Nov 15 22:57 |
| sebsebseb | and of course not me | Nov 15 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | dum de dum, who was it, who were the two people, who went on about how great they were, in the first organisers meeting/ | Nov 15 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | and why? hmm | Nov 15 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | take a guess | Nov 15 22:58 |
| sebsebseb | ?? | Nov 15 22:59 |
| ThistleWeb | I come into IRC on friday nights to listen to the bugcast | Nov 15 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | oh right | Nov 15 22:59 |
| ThistleWeb | this happens to be still in my autojoins | Nov 15 22:59 |
| sebsebseb | ok anyway the openSUSE guy since Open Suse Studio, amd the Mint guy sinece some GUI for that. | Nov 15 23:00 |
| ThistleWeb | I understand that you've seen the merits to magiea and that you're struggling to convince others | Nov 15 23:00 |
| sebsebseb | maybe I just started to annoy you a bit, but the points/comments you made, I have found quite useful, thank you | Nov 15 23:00 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm giving my opinions on why magiea just doesnt interest people | Nov 15 23:01 |
| ThistleWeb | some might be valid, some just inetria, that they see no reason to even try | Nov 15 23:01 |
| sebsebseb | the bug cast yeah, I might hae actsuly been there with him at ogg camp if he went don't know, might have bee him. I mean the kind of guy who would take his kids to such an event? | Nov 15 23:01 |
| sebsebseb | just I remeber some guy being there with his kids etc | Nov 15 23:01 |
| ThistleWeb | I'm a linux user and it didn't even interest me enough to download it | Nov 15 23:02 |
| sebsebseb | I could have chatted to the Crunchbang guy fi I wanted to as well, but nope | Nov 15 23:02 |
| sebsebseb | and his wiffe I gues, but nah, they wr with someone who used to come to my LUG etc | Nov 15 23:02 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I recognisd them wen I heard voices since HRP last year | Nov 15 23:02 |
| ThistleWeb | I've already seen the value of linux, so what does that say about magiea? | Nov 15 23:02 |
| sebsebseb | wel we don't get interestd in all distros | Nov 15 23:03 |
| sebsebseb | many all of us wil just overlook at what distros, depends on person? | Nov 15 23:03 |
| ThistleWeb | I reckon there's a small community like you who magiea works for them | Nov 15 23:03 |
| ThistleWeb | I doubt it will ever be anything other than that | Nov 15 23:03 |
| sebsebseb | well however big that community really s or the genral interest out htere, enought to bei n top 10 on distrowatch, yeah don on page iews,but yeah | Nov 15 23:04 |
| ThistleWeb | of course, but it is indicative | Nov 15 23:04 |
| sebsebseb | so you think openSUSE is better to have at the event instead of Mageia? not as well as? | Nov 15 23:04 |
| MinceR | i'm pretty sure debian has a much bigger community than opensuse | Nov 15 23:05 |
| sebsebseb | yeah, but Mint and Ubunt uis what's been proposed, not Debian itself, as I told you beore | Nov 15 23:06 |
| sebsebseb | also who gives Debian itself to a new user going straight from WIndows? | Nov 15 23:06 |
| MinceR | i gave CrunchBang to such a user, and he seems satisfied | Nov 15 23:06 |
| sebsebseb | altough I think those users | Nov 15 23:07 |
| sebsebseb | would be happy with nearly any distro or interface | Nov 15 23:07 |
| sebsebseb | whch I think is what they don't seem to undrstand for this event enough, or htis event co ordinter in particular for example | Nov 15 23:07 |
| MinceR | unless they bump into the same problems on ubuntu, for example | Nov 15 23:07 |
| ThistleWeb | then why try to force magiea | Nov 15 23:07 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: just need to show it can do email etc, and nearly anything is good enough then | Nov 15 23:07 |
| ThistleWeb | if they'd be happy with anyone | Nov 15 23:07 |
| MinceR | or if they go to suse and then get sued by m$ for patents | Nov 15 23:07 |
| sebsebseb | not sure Micrsooft would sue the end uesr for using openSUSE | Nov 15 23:08 |
| MinceR | or just guarantee that there will be no further updates or support? | Nov 15 23:09 |
| MinceR | and that the applications and environment they're used to is going away unless someone pays up? | Nov 15 23:09 |
| sebsebseb | TRIdentica: quite a few of them here dislike openSUSE sine hte patnet stuff etc etc, schestowitz included for that one, so getting your thing was rethresseing :) | Nov 15 23:09 |
| sebsebseb | they just simaplly dislike openSUSE here in general | Nov 15 23:09 |
| sebsebseb | which doens't realy help me for htis event, since its i probably and thats that | Nov 15 23:10 |
| MinceR | i have more reasons to dislike *suse | Nov 15 23:10 |
| MinceR | like the netinstall thing or the thing it did to the keyboard at a friend | Nov 15 23:10 |
| MinceR | or that in order to install a package on suse (not opensuse) i would have needed a disc i didn't have | Nov 15 23:10 |
| sebsebseb | since it's in probably and that's that | Nov 15 23:10 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: what do you think about openSUSE when it comes to Microsoft and patents and that kind of thing of interest? | Nov 15 23:11 |
| ThistleWeb | it's still an issue as far as I am concerned | Nov 15 23:11 |
| sebsebseb | ok you think it's an issue interesting | Nov 15 23:11 |
| ThistleWeb | but I doubt any of that will directly affect end users | Nov 15 23:12 |
| MinceR | plus i trust APT a lot more than zypper | Nov 15 23:12 |
| sebsebseb | ,but you don't think a as a resut it shoudn't be used at the event? I don't think if I try saying more about that kind of thing to them, that it wll make any differnce | Nov 15 23:12 |
| sebsebseb | they will still go SUSE probaby | Nov 15 23:12 |
| sebsebseb | after all these are people who want to put Skype on the remasters to | Nov 15 23:12 |
| sebsebseb | yep that's right Skype, and Jitsi to though | Nov 15 23:12 |
| MinceR | saying it at this point might not matter much to them | Nov 15 23:12 |
| sebsebseb | with other codecs pre installed, Skype isn't really meant tobe distributed like that or whatever, and they want Flash to etc | Nov 15 23:13 |
| MinceR | but if they get used to the wrong distro and DE, it might cause them trouble on the long run | Nov 15 23:13 |
| MinceR | it can also cause the rest of us trouble on the long run | Nov 15 23:13 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: and you said earlier that remaseters were ointless or kind of thing, don't g thorugh proper testing etc etc i yep I had simialr fro ipphk (not here at the mment). they want re masetsrssince well it's not really a install fest now | Nov 15 23:14 |
| sebsebseb | it's a live sesions showing thing | Nov 15 23:14 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: the end user? if they start with th worn distro and de? | Nov 15 23:14 |
| MinceR | some remasters don't need a lot of testing though | Nov 15 23:14 |
| sebsebseb | the wrong distroandde | Nov 15 23:14 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: yes | Nov 15 23:14 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: sure, but maybe Mageia would have been that right distro with the rightDE etc | Nov 15 23:15 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Nov 15 23:15 |
| sebsebseb | then it's not in for the event | Nov 15 23:15 |
| sebsebseb | since hwtever | Nov 15 23:15 |
| MinceR | if a remaster just takes a reliable distro and changes some images and default packages, i don't see much chance for trouble | Nov 15 23:15 |
| ThistleWeb | +1 | Nov 15 23:15 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: well yes that's the idea, for the remater to pre install all the updates, and some addiotnal apps, that's all | Nov 15 23:15 |
| MinceR | stability-wise, i mean | Nov 15 23:15 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Nov 15 23:15 |
| sebsebseb | however certian updats could still cause issus ossbily | Nov 15 23:16 |
| sebsebseb | new kernel etc | Nov 15 23:16 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 15 23:16 |
| sebsebseb | and then for cut down version, Open SUSE guy wants to make smething himself, which I guess is mor than just a standard remaster | Nov 15 23:17 |
| sebsebseb | and so if so is ikely to have more issues possbily | Nov 15 23:17 |
| sebsebseb | and t won't be supported by a distro properly I gues, een if it's some Open SUSE bsed thing made with Open SUSE buil d studio or whtever he wants too do | Nov 15 23:17 |
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| sebsebseb | and for realy old computers Puppy Linux would be better I guess | Nov 15 23:17 |
| sebsebseb | ThistleWeb: MinceR I wss actsaully recomended agaist doing a reaster of Mageia, because it won't be a offial ISO, won't have al the QA work done to it etc | Nov 15 23:18 |
| sebsebseb | that was the Mageia QA woman | Nov 15 23:18 |
| MinceR | well, it's true | Nov 15 23:18 |
| MinceR | the question is, how much does it matter :) | Nov 15 23:18 |
| sebsebseb | she aso suggestd having the guy who mak the offical ISO's making them for me, which he ssid he would, but unless he makes son this wekend, I got to make myself it seems aia then, I need to make new one for Tuesday | Nov 15 23:19 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: or the thing is what is put i to a remaster, a nd that won't ust effet things, new kernel could etc | Nov 15 23:19 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 15 23:19 |
| sebsebseb | if the remaster isn't done right eough, that could cause issues to the distroitself | Nov 15 23:19 |
| sebsebseb | that woudn't be i the offical image | Nov 15 23:19 |
| sebsebseb | and then the user blames the distro | Nov 15 23:19 |
| sebsebseb | when realy it was the remaster, that's what se woried about to a bit I think | Nov 15 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | she | Nov 15 23:20 |
| MinceR | might be safer to try distros that use multiple live images already :> | Nov 15 23:20 |
| MinceR | s/use/provide/ | Nov 15 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: in a way making a remaster, kind of spits on all the QA work etc, as in ike oh well I can make soething betterso | Nov 15 23:20 |
| MinceR | what is the goal of your remaster? | Nov 15 23:20 |
| sebsebseb | uhmm "their remaster" | Nov 15 23:21 |
| sebsebseb | they are the ones wating remsters not me | Nov 15 23:21 |
| MinceR | then theirs | Nov 15 23:21 |
| sebsebseb | the goal is to pre install all the updates to the creation of the remaster, and some other addiontal apps that Joe and Jane averge may want pre intalled | Nov 15 23:21 |
| MinceR | at least that seems to be one of the easier things to test, if the additional apps were already in the official repo | Nov 15 23:22 |
| sebsebseb | yep they will be from offil repo's | Nov 15 23:22 |
| sebsebseb | howver still if putting in certina updates might effect other things | Nov 15 23:23 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I guess I am probaby voted out on Tuesday anyway | Nov 15 23:23 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: and so won't be making remasters of Magiea 4 for the even | Nov 15 23:23 |
| sebsebseb | and possibly givig the distro a bad name some how | Nov 15 23:23 |
| sebsebseb | I mean if hte remaster isn't done well enough or something | Nov 15 23:23 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I guess if some come to the LUG meeting | Nov 15 23:24 |
| MinceR | crunchbang has an advantage with those things | Nov 15 23:24 |
| sebsebseb | can try and get hte usig Mageia later :d | Nov 15 23:24 |
| MinceR | as it asks in the postinstall script whether you want to update everything right away | Nov 15 23:24 |
| sebsebseb | or talk to them at the event if some time and say it's al about choice etc, and .... | Nov 15 23:24 |
| MinceR | and asks whether to install some additional things like java | Nov 15 23:24 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yeah and there's a nice tool for remstienrg Opensuse | Nov 15 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | and smeting else for MInt | Nov 15 23:25 |
| MinceR | not skype though, iirc | Nov 15 23:25 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: of course not | Nov 15 23:26 |
| sebsebseb | that's | Nov 15 23:26 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: Skype isn't meant to be distributed by distros | Nov 15 23:27 |
| sebsebseb | can get it off the Skype site diretly through some script htough | Nov 15 23:27 |
| sebsebseb | the Skype server | Nov 15 23:27 |
| DaemonFC | The cost of my deductible went down. The cost of my medication went down. The co-pay for my doctor visits went down. Damn Obamacare. Don't they know I hate money? What am I going to do with this money? Surely I won't use it to buy food and pay my rent! In fact, if they don't take it, I'm going to go out back and burn it all! My grandmother had the same experience with lower costs for her prescriptions and specialist visits, but she still says | Nov 16 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | "That Obamacare is going to replace my Medicare, and it's going to create groups of doctors that will decide when to kill me!". Her exact words. It's not just Fox News. Fox News is actually pretty mild compared to the televangelist channels, which have gotten extremely political, on behalf of the Tea Party. How do we compete with this when the elderly are typically shut in, and watching this filth, and growing increasingly paranoid about the | Nov 16 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | world around them? It's sad. It's sick. The programming on these channels is a form of elderly abuse, in my opinion. They're practically telling them to expect to be marched off to death camps. | Nov 16 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC | "I have my morning coffee for two reasons. One, to kick start my brain, but number two, and more importantly, to jump start my colon." -Robin Williams | Nov 16 00:20 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 16 00:21 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer shared Stargate Atlantis's photo. | Nov 16 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | Hallowed are the Ori! Great holy armies shall be gathered and trained to fight all who embrace evil. In the name of the Gods, ships shall be built to carry the warriors out among the stars and we will spread Origin to all the unbelievers. The power of the Ori will be felt far and wide and the wicked shall be vanquished. | Nov 16 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | https://scontent-a.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc1/1451497_562630620482923_384504335_n.jpg | Nov 16 00:42 |
| MinceR | :D | Nov 16 00:44 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan changed his Religious Views. 27 seconds ago | Nov 16 00:45 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan likes Origin. | Nov 16 00:45 |
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| DaemonFC | Jarrett Terrill | Nov 16 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | 7 hours ago near Fort Wayne · | Nov 16 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | So there was big drama at my apartment complex yesterday... Evidently, there's been this crazy blonde woman who has been scamming all the residents here by pretending her car broke down and then when she gets inside your apartment, she starts threatening you until you agree to cook her a meal and give her all your money... #WeirdStuff #IWouldntFallForIt | Nov 16 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer So you've met my former neighbor? LOL The one I told you about. The one that was constantly knocking on my doors and windows, drunk, trying to get me to have sex with her. She fried her brain so bad, she couldn't even remember my name. One day, she knocked on the window. "Kyle! Kyle! I know you're in there! I heard your toilet flush!". "Kyle, do you want to go to Applebees? It's two for $20!". There were men going in and out of | Nov 16 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | that apartment every single day. Things that make you go "Bleh!". | Nov 16 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer I was talking about this woman with my stepdad one day. I asked how the hell she could get away with being $4,000 behind on her rent. He said "Maybe she's taking the landord in and giving him some EEE EEE EEE EEE!!" (noise like mattress springs bouncing up and down). I was like "Oh hell to the no! That's just wrong. My brain is melting!!! Damn it!" | Nov 16 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | a few seconds ago · Like | Nov 16 02:13 |
| DaemonFC | Jarrett Terrill LOL... Ryan Farmer - Remember how those ambulances and school buses and firetrucks were all trying to park in my complex? That was ALL because of her... seriously. | Nov 16 02:13 |
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| interlocutor | Any technocrats here? | Nov 16 02:36 |
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| prurigro | interlocutor: the problem I have with technocracy is that whenever science gets political, the political people move in and stop it from being science | Nov 16 03:53 |
| interlocutor | prurigro: unfortunately technocracy has been unfairly asserted as a "political" system of governance, when in fact it's completely apolitical | Nov 16 04:06 |
| prurigro | how so? | Nov 16 04:06 |
| interlocutor | I like the following quote: Technocracy is: "The rule of the people made effective through the agency of their servants: the scientists and engineers." ~ William Henry Smyth | Nov 16 04:07 |
| prurigro | are you talking more about removing high level politicians from a country's non-social decisions? | Nov 16 04:07 |
| prurigro | how does money get ditributed? | Nov 16 04:08 |
| prurigro | I'd still call this political, being that it's in the realm of what we currently all political | Nov 16 04:08 |
| prurigro | unless I'm misunderstanding | Nov 16 04:08 |
| prurigro | currently call* | Nov 16 04:09 |
| prurigro | like, the ipcc was meant to help make political decisions, but also be apolitical | Nov 16 04:10 |
| interlocutor | well there should be a distinction between being technocratic and achieving technocracy | Nov 16 04:10 |
| prurigro | true | Nov 16 04:10 |
| interlocutor | it's much the same distinction between socialism and communism | Nov 16 04:10 |
| prurigro | socialism and communism are extremely different, if you look at what socialism actually is | Nov 16 04:10 |
| prurigro | china confused the terminology for that one though | Nov 16 04:11 |
| prurigro | imo | Nov 16 04:11 |
| interlocutor | well technocracy is much the same in that you can have a technocratic state of many makeups. you can even have an accomplished technocracy of a few various designs. | Nov 16 04:11 |
| interlocutor | It's difficult to discuss in real terms because it's an idea which has very little mindshare and so has had very little written about it, especially contemporarily | Nov 16 04:12 |
| prurigro | true, I suppose my view on why it wouldn't succeed has stemmed from an implementation that didn't work | Nov 16 04:12 |
| interlocutor | I'm trying to change that | Nov 16 04:12 |
| prurigro | I've actually but a bunch of thought into what I consider a variation of technocracy | Nov 16 04:13 |
| prurigro | though the checks and balance part has been tricky | Nov 16 04:13 |
| interlocutor | Well if you mean the "Technical Alliance" of Technocracy, Inc in the 1930s, it never even reached the implementation phase | Nov 16 04:13 |
| prurigro | but I've always thought any decision that has a scientific field attached to it, should only be possible to make by a politician after getting so many signatures by proffessionals in that field, and those signatures would be as binding as when an engineer signs off on a building | Nov 16 04:14 |
| prurigro | so basically, have professionals stake their reputation on it, within reason | Nov 16 04:14 |
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| prurigro | reputation is the best check and balance I can think of though | Nov 16 04:16 |
| interlocutor | prurigro: you know, I really just need to get these ideas all down into a form that can be redistributed. I have explained my conception of a technocracy so many times it's become a chore! lol :) | Nov 16 04:16 |
| prurigro | hah, well if your definition doesn't line up with the wikipedia one, maybe you should help modify it? | Nov 16 04:17 |
| prurigro | and if it does, just link people there | Nov 16 04:17 |
| interlocutor | I'll have to publish before I can alter the wiki | Nov 16 04:17 |
| prurigro | if there's nothing aleady published that reflects what you feel it is, are you actually correct in your definition | Nov 16 04:18 |
| interlocutor | Actually I could cite extant sources but that article is overseen by skip sievert who is a total asshole and reverts nearly everyone's edits | Nov 16 04:18 |
| prurigro | ? | Nov 16 04:18 |
| prurigro | lol | Nov 16 04:18 |
| prurigro | sounds like wikipedia | Nov 16 04:18 |
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| interlocutor | yep | Nov 16 04:18 |
| interlocutor | prurigro: are you around here much? | Nov 16 04:19 |
| prurigro | I had someone remove a page I was viewing while I was viewing it because "this isn't important relevant to warrant a page"-- if someone unrelated to it is researching it, I'm pretty sure it's somewhat relevant | Nov 16 04:20 |
| prurigro | interlocutor: yup- I've been idling here for a few years now | Nov 16 04:20 |
| interlocutor | sweet | Nov 16 04:20 |
| prurigro | the bnc helps | Nov 16 04:20 |
| prurigro | lol | Nov 16 04:20 |
| prurigro | err relevant enough-- meant to switch important to that, not enough :) | Nov 16 04:21 |
| prurigro | interlocutor: why you ask? gonna follow up? | Nov 16 04:21 |
| interlocutor | Well here's a passage from one of the first works on technocracy, from the very first page: to live, to make, to take, to control — are as essential in modern social life as at any time in the past. But all of these urges in a living democracy should be controlled without being controlled. To achieve this seeming paradox we must have a great national purpose, and unselfish leadership such as could come through a Nation | Nov 16 04:22 |
| interlocutor | that's from ideas of the late 1890s | Nov 16 04:22 |
| prurigro | hm, this certainly doesn't sound apolitical | Nov 16 04:23 |
| interlocutor | What we can extrapolate is that the author is expounding on an idea where democracy should be "controlled without being controlled" | Nov 16 04:23 |
| interlocutor | these are primitive ideas regarding technocracy | Nov 16 04:23 |
| prurigro | this feels like a required underpinning of it, if anything | Nov 16 04:24 |
| interlocutor | as we have moved into the digital age, it becomes clear how the relationship of citizens and their servants, the technocrats, should relate to eachother | Nov 16 04:24 |
| prurigro | you have to convince people to organize, somehow | Nov 16 04:24 |
| interlocutor | The goal of technocracy in our age is primarily to forumulate, develop, and maintain the productive forces of society to precipitate a superabundant condition of the material and operant conditions of everyone. | Nov 16 04:25 |
| interlocutor | It makes no prescriptions of political context, other than the assent of the people to create a society predicated on post-capitalist super-abundance | Nov 16 04:26 |
| prurigro | so what you're saying is that it requires politics, but doesn't specify them | Nov 16 04:27 |
| prurigro | I guess I was saying political in that the primary elements to establishing it would be through what politics currently controls | Nov 16 04:27 |
| interlocutor | Absolutely | Nov 16 04:28 |
| prurigro | though perhaps my variation on technocracy is more of an implementation | Nov 16 04:28 |
| prurigro | and whether or not it is, would depend on how successful it is | Nov 16 04:28 |
| interlocutor | I'm trying to establish a new technocratic movement called the Technocratic Union. Our stated mission is not to jump into Technocracy, merely that we're "Dedicated to Advancing the Role of STEM Disciplines in the Formulation of Public Policy" | Nov 16 04:29 |
| prurigro | I think most people would get behind that | Nov 16 04:29 |
| prurigro | everyone but the folks already making decisions | Nov 16 04:30 |
| interlocutor | The first steps are numerous and small, and center primarily on advancing the role of science and engineering in the prevailing political climate | Nov 16 04:30 |
| prurigro | I think statistics should be in there too | Nov 16 04:30 |
| interlocutor | that's the M of STEM :) | Nov 16 04:30 |
| interlocutor | Science, Technology, Engineering, and Math | Nov 16 04:30 |
| prurigro | ahh, do they get to fall into math? | Nov 16 04:30 |
| interlocutor | Statisticians are considered Mathematicians, yes | Nov 16 04:31 |
| prurigro | well then | Nov 16 04:31 |
| interlocutor | :) | Nov 16 04:31 |
| prurigro | some mathy fields are somehow not considered that; I'd kinda assumed that was one | Nov 16 04:31 |
| prurigro | what do you think of my reputation implemenation? | Nov 16 04:31 |
| prurigro | works for engineering currently | Nov 16 04:31 |
| prurigro | for private stuff | Nov 16 04:31 |
| prurigro | I just thought of another angle I think should be employed | Nov 16 04:32 |
| prurigro | decisions should be made with expected results attached to them, which are also being signed off on | Nov 16 04:32 |
| prurigro | if the expected results are not met, the decision should be undone (law unmade) | Nov 16 04:33 |
| prurigro | a time limit would need to be attached of course, and justified | Nov 16 04:33 |
| interlocutor | yes, definitely. taking a scientific, results based approach to public policy formulation | Nov 16 04:34 |
| prurigro | too many shitty laws don't pan out, yet remain because of how much work it is to undo a law (pretty well the same amount as to create it) | Nov 16 04:34 |
| Snowleaksange | i take a scientific, results based approach to predicting the weather | Nov 16 04:35 |
| Snowleaksange | but doesnt mean its very successful | Nov 16 04:35 |
| prurigro | Snowleaksange: so using this system, you could put your umbrella away if it turns out not to rain | Nov 16 04:35 |
| prurigro | the current system means you're holding it despite sunny skies, all day | Nov 16 04:36 |
| prurigro | interlocutor: if you're trying to do this, my suggestion is to implement checks and balance as a means of enforcement, all the way up; a lack of them is why the USSA's once decent political system has in my opinion been unravelling | Nov 16 04:37 |
| interlocutor | US politics are ruined because it's based on an obsolete document written over 200 years ago | Nov 16 04:39 |
| prurigro | wouldn't that statement be something of a fallacy? :) | Nov 16 04:40 |
| interlocutor | This sounds hyperbolic, but in my mind we're about 1000 years more advanced than the writers of the constitution could have imagined we'd be | Nov 16 04:40 |
| prurigro | sure, but it's been ammended, and its laws still somewhat apply, not to mention that there's a huge set of rules aside from those ones | Nov 16 04:41 |
| interlocutor | Can you imagine telling them we've have devices we hold in our hands which can instantaneously, through thin air, retrieve nearly the entire sum of all human knowledge? | Nov 16 04:41 |
| interlocutor | srry typos | Nov 16 04:41 |
| prurigro | the canadian bill of rights is pretty old, but it's still applicable and agreeable | Nov 16 04:41 |
| prurigro | I don't see how having or not having a smart phone would relate to a rule on gun control | Nov 16 04:42 |
| prurigro | and the one on privacy, to my understanding, would actually be a good thing in relation to smart phones if it was actually being observed | Nov 16 04:42 |
| prurigro | then again, I'm no expert on american law | Nov 16 04:43 |
| interlocutor | My wife needs me, I need to take off, probably for the night. I'll definitely check in from time to time and converse, seems we have a lot to discuss :) | Nov 16 04:43 |
| prurigro | sounds good- enjoy your night! | Nov 16 04:44 |
| interlocutor | you too | Nov 16 04:44 |
| prurigro | thanks | Nov 16 04:44 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3293438 | Nov 16 09:57 |
| schestowitz | Um, yes... that's what they're likely aiming for... or at least enough of them to create a chilling effect." | Nov 16 09:58 |
| schestowitz | "There's that word again, "content". Why don't people call these things revision management systems?" https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3293056 | Nov 16 09:59 |
| schestowitz | 'Um, because generally they don't manage multiple revisions of any given piece of content... (without extra plugins). At least not last time I checked Wordpress / Joomla." | Nov 16 09:59 |
| schestowitz | "OK then, call it a site management system. Content is a dirty word." | Nov 16 09:59 |
| schestowitz | I agree with Will. And WordPress has had revision management since around 2007.... | Nov 16 09:59 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 16 10:00 |
| schestowitz | [content] regards these works as a commodity whose purpose is to fill a box and make money. In effect, it disparages the works themselves. | Nov 16 10:00 |
| schestowitz | This seems like over-analysis to me. | Nov 16 10:00 |
| schestowitz | ' | Nov 16 10:00 |
| schestowitz | "Nah, it's the way newspapers and commercial publications work. The whole AP style was developed so they could trim column inches off stories, aka "content", so they would fit around the advertisements. Ask any journalist if you don't believe what Courtney Love had to say about it." | Nov 16 10:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 16 10:00 |
| schestowitz | My mother was a journalist. For 30 years. | Nov 16 10:00 |
| schestowitz | My B.A. is in mass communication, my M.A. is in speech communication. I'm now in a Ph.D. program. | Nov 16 10:00 |
| schestowitz | Are you really calling my bluff? | Nov 16 10:00 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 16 10:00 |
| schestowitz | "And by the way, Courtney Love was no journalist. I trust what she has to say about the recording industry. But I would not dare generalize her claims beyond it, and I don't believe that she intends for her claims to be generalized beyond it." | Nov 16 10:01 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3291817 | Nov 16 10:02 |
| schestowitz | It's good news as long as they are not working for nasty companies like Microsoft. No one should do that but we know that those companies intentionally hire rights compromised people, such as H1B "guest workers". This only makes things worse for all of us. Tech factories in China use women because they are easier to abuse. People who work at Microsoft walk away with bad culture and skills that mostly work with non free tools, bad | Nov 16 10:02 |
| schestowitz | habits that need to be unlearned." | Nov 16 10:02 |
| schestowitz | Interesting point there about China... | Nov 16 10:02 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 16 10:03 |
| schestowitz | I hope these positions aren't being filled by women "because they're women" and are instead being filled by women "because they're technically proficient and a good fit for the job." I certainly know there are women out there that are great techies, I'm just hoping businesses aren't hiring them for all the wrong reasons. | Nov 16 10:03 |
| schestowitz | Women getting jobs "because they're women" (or really, in any situation where it's "because they're X") is bad for everyone and can lead to an extremely hostile workplace. | Nov 16 10:03 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 16 10:03 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3291886 | Nov 16 10:03 |
| schestowitz | "Bill Gates shares it with China." | Nov 16 10:03 |
| schestowitz | He likes to share... among other plutocrats and abusers... like he shared with coporations (e.g. News Corp) "content" he harvests from students in schools,. | Nov 16 10:04 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3288558 | Nov 16 10:10 |
| schestowitz | "Hosting on AWS? What could go wrong?" | Nov 16 10:10 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3291874 | Nov 16 10:14 |
| schestowitz | "Think of the children" | Nov 16 10:14 |
| schestowitz | because they can't think for themselves. Let's give their generation mass surveillance... | Nov 16 10:14 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3288558 | Nov 16 10:15 |
| schestowitz | "OpenSSH works for my hoards. Boa works for what I can share." | Nov 16 10:15 |
| iophk | Bait title, but in short no filters: | Nov 16 10:19 |
| iophk | http://translate.google.com/translate?hl=en&ie=UTF8&prev=_t&sl=da&tl=en&u=http://politiken.dk/forbrugogliv/digitalt/internet/ECE2133647/vi-vil-ikke-begraense-vores-boerns-adgang-til-netporno/ | Nov 16 10:19 |
| iophk | "81 percent of Danes think that it is the responsibility of parents to protect children from porn on the net." | Nov 16 10:19 |
| iophk | parenting - imagine that | Nov 16 10:20 |
| schestowitz | what questiion was asked? | Nov 16 10:23 |
| schestowitz | Sounds like a loaded question, whatever it is [tl'dr] | Nov 16 10:23 |
| schestowitz | A lot of people frame it as a very important issue | Nov 16 10:23 |
| schestowitz | even when it's not | Nov 16 10:23 |
| schestowitz | I first saw pr0n, accidentally, at the age of like 10 | Nov 16 10:24 |
| schestowitz | I found a tape | Nov 16 10:24 |
| schestowitz | later I found some distry magazine when myself and some kids at schools found it laying around a tree | Nov 16 10:24 |
| schestowitz | the point is, many children will inevitably see such things | Nov 16 10:24 |
| schestowitz | them being exposed to pr0n is not the same as being molested | Nov 16 10:24 |
| iophk | I think that was the Danish point. | Nov 16 10:24 |
| iophk | Otherwise, in most other regions, people forget about parental responsibility to guide the development of their own kids. | Nov 16 10:25 |
| schestowitz | moreover, child abuse seems to be an overinflated problem, designed to portray all men of borderline pedophile and widely be seen as suspicious and not worth trusting (as much as government) even within their own family | Nov 16 10:25 |
| iophk | Yes scaremongering | Nov 16 10:26 |
| schestowitz | that's one theory that a friend shared once upon a time | Nov 16 10:26 |
| schestowitz | and it sounds partly plausible | Nov 16 10:26 |
| iophk | Aside from that, filters don't work. | Nov 16 10:26 |
| schestowitz | the chance of some guy trying to rape your little daughter is far less than her getting run over | Nov 16 10:26 |
| iophk | Well they have been breaking the family smaller and smaller, there's really almost nothing left to break. | Nov 16 10:26 |
| schestowitz | So the question is, what should we really focus in within the circles of the media? | Nov 16 10:26 |
| iophk | Industrialization did that. | Nov 16 10:27 |
| schestowitz | families are not divided into toom | Nov 16 10:27 |
| schestowitz | their only connection is, the little girl might take photos of her dad, upload them to Facebook, and tag his face | Nov 16 10:27 |
| iophk | Used to be cousins, aunts, uncles, etc. all near by. | Nov 16 10:27 |
| schestowitz | keeping us divided and helpless | Nov 16 10:27 |
| schestowitz | it helps deter protesting and unions for workers' rights | Nov 16 10:28 |
| schestowitz | erach to his own, people always suspicious of other people | Nov 16 10:28 |
| iophk | divide and conquer | Nov 16 10:28 |
| schestowitz | no empathy, no cooperation, just competition and back-stabbing | Nov 16 10:28 |
| iophk | and extra sales | Nov 16 10:28 |
| schestowitz | champiuoned by national heroes like Jobs and gates | Nov 16 10:28 |
| schestowitz | and TRUMP | Nov 16 10:28 |
| iophk | why sell 1 sofa to a couple when the same company can sell 2 to divorcees | Nov 16 10:28 |
| schestowitz | Did you know he now runs the biggest beauty pageants? | Nov 16 10:28 |
| schestowitz | And they hail him loike he's some kind of hero/Sugar daddy | Nov 16 10:29 |
| schestowitz | iophk: yes | Nov 16 10:29 |
| schestowitz | I heard this divorce theory too | Nov 16 10:29 |
| schestowitz | more consumption | Nov 16 10:29 |
| iophk | the auto companies want to sell 3 cars to each couple | Nov 16 10:29 |
| schestowitz | and if a man pays the woman who raises no child anyway, then the man is further paralysed and unable to engage in activism | Nov 16 10:29 |
| iophk | heard that from the inside | Nov 16 10:30 |
| schestowitz | interesting | Nov 16 10:30 |
| iophk | that was in the 90's but it can't have changed | Nov 16 10:31 |
| iophk | given how they fight any other forms of transport, especially mass transit, but even electric cars | Nov 16 10:31 |
| schestowitz | not been too successful in the UK | Nov 16 10:32 |
| schestowitz | public transport is being shored up here | Nov 16 10:33 |
| iophk | read about the Georgia Olympics in the US. They couldn't even do it for a few weeks. | Nov 16 10:33 |
| iophk | Athletes missed events and such. | Nov 16 10:33 |
| iophk | For commutes, public transport is very effective. | Nov 16 10:34 |
| iophk | It might take a bit longer, usually not much, but in some cases it is fastest. | Nov 16 10:34 |
| iophk | Either way, the time can be used productively: reading or other stuff that can take attention | Nov 16 10:34 |
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| Snowleaksange | http://chennai2013.fide.com/anand-carlsen-video-with-commentary/ | Nov 16 10:42 |
| Snowleaksange | live chess champs btw | Nov 16 10:42 |
| oiaohm | In is interesting that the NSA is now talking about doing a audit on the documents they have to keep classifed. | Nov 16 11:12 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3291874 | Nov 16 11:42 |
| schestowitz | "Terrorism everywhere!" | Nov 16 11:42 |
| schestowitz | yes, NSA is everywhere... | Nov 16 11:42 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3293419 | Nov 16 11:43 |
| schestowitz | "If it is of any interest I purchased a preloaded lenovo Z570 from the Linux Emporium in Birmingham. I have re-loaded it a few times with various distros and have no complaints." | Nov 16 11:43 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3286139 | Nov 16 11:45 |
| schestowitz | "What Jake says is consistent with my own experience. These days, even as desperate as I am, I refuse to consider working at that level. Employers revel in the idea that workers should be infinitely replaceable. The idea that they should be paid anything even close to a living wage (in some areas, $15 would still be well below that) will be anathema." | Nov 16 11:45 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3292796 | Nov 16 11:45 |
| schestowitz | More coffee ?" | Nov 16 11:45 |
| schestowitz | " | Nov 16 11:45 |
| schestowitz | "@Mulk, want some Java fork :-)?" | Nov 16 11:46 |
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| iophk | The 3 car marketing goal was 1 for him, 1 for her and one for them to use together, assuming they had any time over from work and commute. | Nov 16 12:41 |
| iophk | http://www.nintendo.co.jp/wiiu/support/oss/ | Nov 16 12:52 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/amd-firepro-s10000-12gb,25083.html#xtor=RSS-999 | Nov 16 14:30 |
| Sosumi | love that passive cooler | Nov 16 14:31 |
| MinceR | geekings | Nov 16 14:54 |
| MinceR | Pawel Kuczynski | Nov 16 15:36 |
| MinceR | oops | Nov 16 15:36 |
| MinceR | Pawel Kuczynski - Brainwashing >> https://scontent-a-ams.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/q92/1383647_717098591652056_1075197422_n.jpg | Nov 16 15:37 |
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| sebsebseb | ping iophk | Nov 16 17:38 |
| iophk | pong sebsebseb | Nov 16 17:39 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: sounds ike if I props 1 interface for more than one distro | Nov 16 17:39 |
| sebsebseb | than it wil probably be just one interface per distro stil | Nov 16 17:39 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't think Mageia has much of a chance whtever I propose | Nov 16 17:40 |
| iophk | try anyway | Nov 16 17:41 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and then it's aos how do I propse etc uh | Nov 16 17:41 |
| iophk | but the best time to make the proposal would have been earlier | Nov 16 17:41 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: proposals like this only been done for about a week or two now | Nov 16 17:41 |
| sebsebseb | before that all this was just a genral idea | Nov 16 17:41 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: he's done funding and venue first | Nov 16 17:41 |
| iophk | right, but being first has an advantage | Nov 16 17:41 |
| sebsebseb | and now this is the next big thing to decide | Nov 16 17:42 |
| iophk | IMHO the GUI was the next big thing | Nov 16 17:42 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: he was firt | Nov 16 17:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: he was first whe he siad about doing proposls | Nov 16 17:44 |
| sebsebseb | GUI and distros going together | Nov 16 17:45 |
| sebsebseb | and probably only one interface per distro or whatever | Nov 16 17:45 |
| iophk | That over-complicates the decision | Nov 16 17:45 |
| iophk | then people are voting on distros more than GUI | Nov 16 17:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I am meant to propose what I realy wat, but can make as many proposals as I want | Nov 16 17:45 |
| iophk | Make a few then. | Nov 16 17:45 |
| sebsebseb | they need to be clear and precie | Nov 16 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | I started doing some yesteray | Nov 16 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | for 2 distros, 3 distros and 4 distors | Nov 16 17:46 |
| iophk | Nice | Nov 16 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | for the four distros | Nov 16 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | that's the only time menitoned Open SUSE | Nov 16 17:46 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I had Mint and Ubuntu in all of those proposals | Nov 16 17:46 |
| iophk | Mint is redundant if Ubuntu is there | Nov 16 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | I could do a if Unity, I prose Ubuntu | Nov 16 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | if Cnnamon I prose MInt | Nov 16 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yep I am ot so kee on it either really | Nov 16 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | Ubuntu twice realy or pretty much | Nov 16 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | just diffenret interfaces | Nov 16 17:47 |
| iophk | yes | Nov 16 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | just difenret interfaces and some other minor changes | Nov 16 17:47 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe I shoud do like he didfor GNOME 2 | Nov 16 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | if GNOME I propse GNOME 2 | Nov 16 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | that's what he was ike | Nov 16 17:48 |
| iophk | GNOME2 is EOL | Nov 16 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I Thin he meant Mate, but yeah | Nov 16 17:48 |
| iophk | Mate is probably what he meant | Nov 16 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | Mate and Cinnamon don't realy fix ccertain bugs that GNOE have fixed as wel | Nov 16 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | apparnatly | Nov 16 17:48 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so our GNOME Magiea packager, who's on the upstream GNOME release team caled, them unmaintained | Nov 16 17:49 |
| iophk | Like I said, GNOME is over. ;) | Nov 16 17:49 |
| iophk | KDE is Free and so is Qt. | Nov 16 17:50 |
| iophk | So the original purpose is gone. Then there is the hideous M$ style registry underneath. | Nov 16 17:50 |
| iophk | XFCE is the one that has undergone the surge in popularity. | Nov 16 17:54 |
| iophk | I has picked up people pushed out by Unity and by GNOME3 | Nov 16 17:54 |
| iophk | *it | Nov 16 17:55 |
| iophk | It's not light but it's not heavy either. | Nov 16 17:55 |
| MinceR | as the original purpose was gone, gnome stopped copying kde and started copying macos | Nov 16 17:55 |
| MinceR | and became pointless | Nov 16 17:55 |
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| sebsebseb | iophk: MinceR they seem to want Cinnamon not XFCE | Nov 16 18:13 |
| iophk | The public seems to want XFCE, but Cinnamon can be an additional option. | Nov 16 18:14 |
| iophk | Unity, KDE, XFCE and Cinnamon | Nov 16 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Cinnamn is the option for Mint if that | Nov 16 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Mae is the additional for Mint or possbily | Nov 16 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Mageia is out for KDE it seems, since they seem to want openSUSE for that three of them | Nov 16 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | three out of the five of us | Nov 16 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | maybe that other guy to I don't know | Nov 16 18:18 |
| iophk | It's kind of late to be talking up Mageia. | Nov 16 18:18 |
| iophk | But make your proposals | Nov 16 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: taking up? | Nov 16 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: no this is how it was before proposlss to I GUESS | Nov 16 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | I don't think any of the others care about Mageia realy | Nov 16 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I already did a general proposal thing in my way a few days ago | Nov 16 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | ,but need something more clear | Nov 16 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: only two out of the five of us done propsoas in that document | Nov 16 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | event co ordinter and soeone else | Nov 16 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so two haven't done proposals there | Nov 16 18:19 |
| iophk | That's fine. | Nov 16 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | and then my thing needs re doing | Nov 16 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | however ther weill stil be three votes for openSUSE KDE it seems | Nov 16 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | even if openSUSE guy diidn't propse it in the document | Nov 16 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and so Magiea is out bicaly | Nov 16 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Nov 16 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | also for GNONME uhmm maybe that network issue wil be in 4 to | Nov 16 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: actsully the QA woman said to me like yeterday | Nov 16 18:21 |
| iophk | You seem to have given up on Mageia some weeks ago. | Nov 16 18:21 |
| iophk | You should make your proposal anyway. | Nov 16 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | I Woudn't recommended GNOME for Magiea, not until the network manager issue is fixed | Nov 16 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | there's a issue that effects 3 or some of us, I had the issue | Nov 16 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | there's drakconnect and networkmanager, and they can conflict and then Intenret issues | Nov 16 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think Magea is going to lose, but that's what I been thinking, I should make proposals anyway | Nov 16 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | and do the talk etc | Nov 16 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | and if it gets voted out, or fals on technial reasons r whatever, well a story to tel people etc | Nov 16 18:22 |
| iophk | yes | Nov 16 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: really how when a live session is loaded up an got to ocnfigure the language, and keyboard etc | Nov 16 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | and also accept a lisence agremetn which i realy the GPL and such | Nov 16 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | ,but like propiritary software | Nov 16 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | as in a lisnece agreemnt to accept, I have never liked that | Nov 16 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | about Mandriva/Magiea and maybe this will be a reaso they won't vote it in for the remster live thing? | Nov 16 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I mean really a distro that goes straight into a live session is genraly better in my case | Nov 16 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | or for this it may be | Nov 16 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Nov 16 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | I mean the addiotnal steps they are ok for us, but someone new etc, hmm | Nov 16 18:24 |
| iophk | a standard live dvd is best | Nov 16 18:24 |
| iophk | less to go wrong | Nov 16 18:26 |
| iophk | more tested | Nov 16 18:26 |
| iophk | also they can go for help anywhere, without the confusion of a non-standard setup | Nov 16 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | which non standard set up? | Nov 16 18:27 |
| iophk | remaster | Nov 16 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah and even my having a swag table with offical cd's | Nov 16 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | and posbly the remasters | Nov 16 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | they may not agree to that so hmm | Nov 16 18:27 |
| iophk | no need for a separate table | Nov 16 18:28 |
| iophk | you want to give out the swag in person | Nov 16 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | and then you kid of conurse people, why go with a rmater not the officlae or why have both | Nov 16 18:28 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3080726 | Nov 16 19:12 |
| schestowitz | "firefox is open but not firefoxos - they try to jail you in their store" | Nov 16 19:12 |
| iophk | Where are there informative reviews of FirefoxOS | Nov 16 19:12 |
| iophk | Even Android is quite closed. | Nov 16 19:13 |
| schestowitz | yeah | Nov 16 19:14 |
| schestowitz | And I heard the same about Jolla | Nov 16 19:14 |
| schestowitz | phones are very freedom-hostile, HSM and all | Nov 16 19:14 |
| schestowitz | GSM | Nov 16 19:14 |
| schestowitz | and patents everywhere, not just backdoors and lockdow | Nov 16 19:14 |
| iophk | Openmoko was ok, for a smartphone. | Nov 16 19:14 |
| schestowitz | *down | Nov 16 19:14 |
| schestowitz | too free to success | Nov 16 19:14 |
| schestowitz | some said it would not get the OK for spectrum use and all | Nov 16 19:15 |
| iophk | http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/GTA04 | Nov 16 19:15 |
| schestowitz | that it would need compliance through strictness, blobs, and back doors | Nov 16 19:15 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3291886 | Nov 16 19:16 |
| schestowitz | "The weak alliances between plutocrats is something people should be more aware of. We are mostly in the dark because plutocrats are allowed to purchase all of our media and distribution channels." | Nov 16 19:16 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3298264 | Nov 16 19:16 |
| schestowitz | 'All we really need in tablets is software freedom. I'd like to be able to buy a "Linux" tablet, but what I'm really looking for is the ability to flash it to whatever I want." | Nov 16 19:16 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3298283 | Nov 16 19:18 |
| schestowitz | "Matlab license are to expensive, Freemat is superior alternative. Thanks for reminding me." | Nov 16 19:18 |
| interlocutor | Pirate Mathematica. | Nov 16 19:20 |
| schestowitz | naa | Nov 16 19:23 |
| schestowitz | use gnu octave | Nov 16 19:23 |
| schestowitz | kick the habit | Nov 16 19:23 |
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| schestowitz | illegally using the propriuetary ones like maple and maylab helps them | Nov 16 19:23 |
| schestowitz | same for photoshop and windows | Nov 16 19:23 |
| schestowitz | They WANT you to do this if you're not gonna pay anyway | Nov 16 19:23 |
| iophk | helps them with marketshare, even if they temporarily don't gain an extra sale | Nov 16 19:23 |
| MinceR | still helps them less than paying them for it | Nov 16 19:24 |
| schestowitz | Microsoft prefers zero-cost users than non-Windows uers | Nov 16 19:24 |
| iophk | Piracy is an acknowledged part of M$ marketing. | Nov 16 19:24 |
| schestowitz | RMS says it like this | Nov 16 19:24 |
| iophk | That's because the monopoly is more valuable than the product. | Nov 16 19:24 |
| schestowitz | If you have the option between paying for proprietary or illegally using it, do the latter | Nov 16 19:25 |
| schestowitz | because the latter does nothing to help the developers do something unethical | Nov 16 19:25 |
| schestowitz | but the best option is to never use it | Nov 16 19:25 |
| schestowitz | and to use FS instea | Nov 16 19:26 |
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| MinceR | indeed | Nov 16 19:30 |
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| iophk | eWeek has shuffled its archives. | Nov 16 20:24 |
| iophk | http://www.eweek.com/article2/0,1759,1561770,00.asp | Nov 16 20:24 |
| iophk | should have gone to an article about Sun | Nov 16 20:24 |
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| interlocutor | http://www.globalresearch.ca/convicted-hacker-jeremy-hammond-exposed-us-plan-to-criminalize-democratic-dissent-in-america/5358343 | Nov 16 21:02 |
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| Snowleaksange | http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2013/11/05/goldman-sachs-thinks-it-can-make-money-by-being-a-do-gooder/ | Nov 16 23:43 |
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