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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 27 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | Jack O'Neill (Notices the lack of furniture in Maybourne's safe house apartment): "Have you.....heard of IKEA?" | Oct 27 03:28 |
| DaemonFC | (Opens the refrigerator) "I see you're on the famous beer and mustard diet." | Oct 27 03:28 |
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| __martin__ | hm, communist party got 15% of votes [sidenote: social-democracy 20.45%] as opposed to pirate party's 2,66% [sidenote: greens 3.19%] in recent czech republic's parliamentary vote (important to note that turnout was mere 59.48% of all allowed) | Oct 27 07:43 |
| *__martin__ hopes that HP's WebOS patents won't end up in wrong place | Oct 27 07:44 | |
| iophk | http://falkvinge.net/2013/10/25/we-know-with-100-certainty-that-mass-surveillance-havent-foiled-a-single-terror-plot/ | Oct 27 07:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | falkvinge.net | We can tell the wiretapping industry never foiled a single terror plot - Falkvinge on Infopolicy [ http://ur1.ca/fy2hq ] | Oct 27 07:58 |
| iophk | http://www.neurope.eu/article/those-responsible-wiretapping-crimes-against-us-all-must-be-brought-justice | Oct 27 08:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.neurope.eu | Those responsible for wiretapping crimes against us all must be brought to justice | neurope.eu [ http://ur1.ca/fy2id ] | Oct 27 08:03 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3213920 | Oct 27 08:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Contrary to what you’ve heard, Android is almost impenetrable to malware http://qz.com/131436/contrary-to-what-youve-heard-android-is-almost-impenetrable-to-malware/ so Microsoft/Windows partners lie?! | Oct 27 08:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> qz.com | Contrary to what you’ve heard, Android is almost impenetrable to malware – Quartz [ http://ur1.ca/fy2nv ] | Oct 27 08:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "They're not susceptible to malware… because someone at Google says so! Well, that settles it. And how does he know? Because Google spies on its users! And because Android is open, but Google doesn't accept patches from anyone else. Except the NSA. And Google only opens up some of the code (after a while), and the rest they leave closed. But those parts are secure too. Honest. This is supposed to make Android users feel better? | Oct 27 08:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "@Brad - these are - as you may probobly imagine - completely different issues: security of the OS and "bigbrotherness" of its creator. I wouldn't dare to mix those things together. Generally speaking: yes, Google is probobly not the most privcy-respecting commpany out there. It doesn't mean that the actual OS [Android] isn't secure as an OS [multi-layered security mechanisms, etc]." | Oct 27 08:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3212555 | Oct 27 08:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a Diaspora post? | Oct 27 08:59 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Oct 27 09:00 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | It's not that bad yet, but there's an alarming tendency in that direction. I notice it perhaps because of my near ancestral age. | Oct 27 09:00 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | No mistake, the interworld is the most significant development I have ever seen, but there may be some dangers to the individual during these our first baby steps. | Oct 27 09:00 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | The hive mind is just one of them that terrifies me. Not least because there is a spill-out of this motion into legislation, which consistently lags behind current conditions and thinking. | Oct 27 09:00 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | It always has, but the rate of change now is orders of magnitude greater than B.I.E. , to coin an acronym.... | Oct 27 09:00 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Oct 27 09:00 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394414845657120768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394415339490263040 | Oct 27 10:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Edward Snowden’s Statement Read at ‘Stop Watching Us’ Rally in DC http://t.co/TDxRiES3En #privacy #power | Oct 27 10:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> dissenter.firedoglake.com | Edward Snowden’s Statement Read at ‘Stop Watching Us’ Rally in DC | The Dissenter | Oct 27 10:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: By the standards of the #fbi the #us population is being radicalised. Their big fear is, this so-called "radicalisation" becomes the norm. | Oct 27 10:57 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394416187582717952 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394416658955378689 | Oct 27 10:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Another meme for #Merkel https://t.co/u7xQ5BQLO6 #privacy #germany #eu #nsa | Oct 27 10:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Partnership between Facebook and police could make planning protests impossible http://t.co/hHpwKlUH7A Facebook: oppression is "social" | Oct 27 10:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> rt.com | NO TITLE | Oct 27 10:57 |
| iophk | http://linuxgizmos.com/first-tizen-tablet-ships/ | Oct 27 11:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | linuxgizmos.com | First Tizen tablet ships to developers · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/fy360 ] | Oct 27 11:19 |
| iophk | All the more reason to get people off of Facebook, if they got on somehow. | Oct 27 11:20 |
| iophk | It would be a really bad thing to let it replace e-mail. | Oct 27 11:20 |
| iophk | But the powers that be are interested in it because it is a centralized choke point. | Oct 27 11:21 |
| iophk | E-mail is comparatively decentralized. | Oct 27 11:21 |
| iophk | even if it is much more centralized compared to Usenet. | Oct 27 11:21 |
| iophk | Usenet is P2P which is probably why most ISPs keep it secret or don't have it. | Oct 27 11:21 |
| iophk | Not long ago it was a selling point. | Oct 27 11:22 |
| iophk | Usenet access was sold as getting "on" the Internet. | Oct 27 11:32 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/PBmvo-GRTFAVVwmwQ-OdzcXNqIqvQyDSKtBVRK-4dhg=w321-h138-no | Oct 27 11:35 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Arnold pays tribute to his dad by doing the nazi salute | Oct 27 11:35 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | iophk: yeah | Oct 27 11:36 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | but | Oct 27 11:36 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Google also took over much of it with Deja News | Oct 27 11:36 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | to many, USENET is now a "Goglole service", they call it just "Groups" | Oct 27 11:36 |
| iophk | The Google UI sucks though, at least last time I checked it | Oct 27 11:37 |
| iophk | Also having everything via Google centralizes some of what was P2P | Oct 27 11:42 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394425583771586560 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394426642065797120 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394427896426921984 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394428089125842946 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394428240934481921 | Oct 27 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: As Europe erupts over US spying, NSA chief says government must stop media http://t.co/J3PTksVp2T Alexander still a bully. #nsa | Oct 27 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | As Europe erupts over US spying, NSA chief says government must stop media | Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free | theguardian.com | Oct 27 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Wishing to know https://t.co/zSLyKHSb4T | Oct 27 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: We Know With 100% Certainty That Mass #Surveillance (industry for espionage) Hasn’t Foiled A Single Terror Plot http://t.co/6ogNzrOfkO | Oct 27 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> falkvinge.net | We can tell the wiretapping industry never foiled a single terror plot - Falkvinge on Infopolicy | Oct 27 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Those responsible for wiretapping crimes against us all must be brought to justice http://t.co/llV9Wlzu2p jail them, won't happen though | Oct 27 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.neurope.eu | Those responsible for wiretapping crimes against us all must be brought to justice | neurope.eu | Oct 27 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: First Tizen tablet ships to developers http://t.co/FlXtZ6RFZV #linux #tizen | Oct 27 11:43 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Oct 27 13:04 |
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| oiaohm | Hi MinceR | Oct 27 13:14 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/25/filesharing-site-anti-piracy-honeypot-uploadertalk-user-data | Oct 27 13:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Filesharing site revealed to be anti-piracy ‘honeypot’ | Technology | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fy3jz ] | Oct 27 13:31 |
| oiaohm | This is what I suspected some had to be. | Oct 27 13:31 |
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| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/26/nsa-rally-stop-watching-washington-snowden | Oct 27 14:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Thousands gather in Washington for anti-NSA 'Stop Watching Us' rally | World news | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fy3ux ] | Oct 27 14:46 |
| Sosumi | it seems like the folks at the my digital life forums have mangaged to break kms 6 | Oct 27 15:22 |
| Sosumi | of winblows 8.1 | Oct 27 15:22 |
| Sosumi | *sight* why bother... | Oct 27 15:23 |
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| MinceR | 'kms 6'? | Oct 27 15:45 |
| Sosumi | key management server | Oct 27 15:52 |
| Sosumi | used to activate volume releases | Oct 27 15:52 |
| iophk | http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/23/technology/with-new-apple-ipads-tablets-move-closer-to-passing-pcs-in-sales.html | Oct 27 16:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/fy44o ] | Oct 27 16:00 |
| iophk | Apple said iWork ... would be free to anyone who bought a new Macintosh computer or mobile device from Apple. | Oct 27 16:01 |
| iophk | " " | Oct 27 16:01 |
| iophk | Too bad that probably won't address ODF | Oct 27 16:08 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 27 16:16 |
| iophk | Though if they were serious about gaining market share away from M$, they sure shouldn't let their users stay on M$ formats. | Oct 27 16:16 |
| iophk | Know anyone with iWorks that can answer that, MinceR? | Oct 27 16:17 |
| MinceR | i don't know anyone who uses hypeWorks | Oct 27 16:17 |
| iophk | I heard Keynote had a good UI and functions, but there's no version that runs on Linux nor is it FOSS | Oct 27 16:19 |
| MinceR | keynote is crap | Oct 27 16:19 |
| iophk | I haven't seen it. | Oct 27 16:20 |
| MinceR | the one time i saw it in use, it didn't magnify slides to fill the screen in a slideshow | Oct 27 16:20 |
| iophk | Only heard about it. | Oct 27 16:20 |
| MinceR | so it was unusable | Oct 27 16:20 |
| iophk | Hmmm. | Oct 27 16:20 |
| MinceR | they poor guy ended up showing the slides in edit mode | Oct 27 16:20 |
| iophk | Powerpoint was broken the last time I saw it. | Oct 27 16:20 |
| MinceR | but still struggled with maximizing the window, as OSuX can't maximize windows properly | Oct 27 16:20 |
| iophk | However, LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org don't have such great presentation graphics yet | Oct 27 16:20 |
| MinceR | i prefer LaTeX+Beamer. | Oct 27 16:20 |
| MinceR | and keyjnote if i want 3d transitions | Oct 27 16:21 |
| iophk | LaTeX would be good to know | Oct 27 16:21 |
| MinceR | LaTeX+Beamer can generate and maintain index slides automatically, for example. | Oct 27 16:21 |
| MinceR | it also takes care of visual styles and color schemes so you don't have to. | Oct 27 16:21 |
| iophk | LO and OOo are hard to work with. I can't remember details, just the slowness of the process. | Oct 27 16:22 |
| iophk | -- for presentation graphics. | Oct 27 16:22 |
| iophk | Spreadsheets and wordprocessing are OK | Oct 27 16:22 |
| MinceR | afaik they're equivalent to powerpoint, except they don't have the ribbon | Oct 27 16:22 |
| iophk | the "ribbon" will go on the shelf next to "bob" | Oct 27 16:23 |
| MinceR | maybe, if "metro" replaces it | Oct 27 16:23 |
| iophk | M$ still has the muscle to push it for a while longer, but people are having less of that and the "ribbon" | Oct 27 16:23 |
| iophk | It's like they're having a contest to see how much they can lower productivity. | Oct 27 16:23 |
| MinceR | indee | Oct 27 16:23 |
| MinceR | d | Oct 27 16:23 |
| iophk | M$ software puts businesses into crisis mode. | Oct 27 16:24 |
| iophk | It's got to be a monumental drag on national economies. | Oct 27 16:24 |
| iophk | Then there is the M$ malware... | Oct 27 16:24 |
| iophk | I'm worried they got to Bruce Schneier. He admits to running Windows and in some of his presentations has touched on M$ talking points. Not many, just some. | Oct 27 16:25 |
| MinceR | :/ | Oct 27 16:26 |
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| Sosumi | I've always thought iWork was junk even compared to the M$ version of office for mac | Oct 27 16:36 |
| Sosumi | which is pretty much lacking compared to the winblows versions | Oct 27 16:36 |
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| iophk | M$ Office for Mac was even worse than the Windows version. | Oct 27 16:37 |
| Sosumi | was? | Oct 27 16:37 |
| Sosumi | is | Oct 27 16:37 |
| iophk | Do they still make it? | Oct 27 16:37 |
| Sosumi | yep | Oct 27 16:37 |
| Sosumi | they still do | Oct 27 16:37 |
| iophk | LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org passed it, at least on the Mac. | Oct 27 16:37 |
| Sosumi | although, the thing is pretty much dead | Oct 27 16:37 |
| Sosumi | yeah | Oct 27 16:37 |
| iophk | M$ Office on Mac was only good if you needed to burn the 8 hours in your work day without regard to getting anything done. | Oct 27 16:38 |
| iophk | Even between Windows versions there were incompatibilities which made things print out or display incorrectly or weirdly. | Oct 27 16:39 |
| Sosumi | yep | Oct 27 16:39 |
| iophk | You needed PDF really, so that leads to LO and OOo. | Oct 27 16:39 |
| iophk | Though if you can't say it in plain text, it's probably not worth saying anyway. | Oct 27 16:40 |
| MinceR | http://asset-9.soup.io/asset/5921/9966_9b35.jpeg | Oct 27 17:13 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | MinceR: could make one like http://asset-9.soup.io/asset/5921/9966_9b35.jpeg for Christianity too | Oct 27 17:20 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 27 17:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | the problem is ignorance, and cultures that promote or depend on ignorance | Oct 27 17:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | like religions, schools, etc. | Oct 27 17:21 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | although schools are usually selective with facts | Oct 27 17:21 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | they don't tend to distort them when there is a chain of accountability, except when they teach or are managed by religion | Oct 27 17:21 |
| Sosumi | nice beardies | Oct 27 17:22 |
| Sosumi | I wander if they hide a fist in there just like chuck norris | Oct 27 17:22 |
| Sosumi | but look, what those beduins are saying is exactly the same crap early priesthoods used to spin around | Oct 27 17:25 |
| Sosumi | not just limited to early catholic church, which borrows heavily from the early solar cults too | Oct 27 17:27 |
| MinceR | chuck norris has no fist there | Oct 27 17:27 |
| Sosumi | mythraism, etc | Oct 27 17:27 |
| MinceR | "There is no chin behind Chuck Norris’ beard. There is only the quivering fear of gay marriage. " | Oct 27 17:27 |
| Sosumi | lol | Oct 27 17:27 |
| iophk | http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/10/27/apple-and-google-arent-crushing-microsofts-office.aspx | Oct 27 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.fool.com | Apple and Google Aren't Crushing Microsoft’s Office -- Yet (AAPL, GOOG, MSFT) [ http://ur1.ca/fy4du ] | Oct 27 17:30 |
| iophk | "brought in one-third of the company's revenue and 60% of its profit." | Oct 27 17:30 |
| iophk | Control over the file formats brings in over 60% of the profit. | Oct 27 17:31 |
| Sosumi | the only suits that can be beat m$ office are the foss offices | Oct 27 17:31 |
| Sosumi | google offers you a cloud solution which is no thank you | Oct 27 17:31 |
| iophk | They get no press coverage. | Oct 27 17:31 |
| iophk | "cloud" is another form of lock-in | Oct 27 17:32 |
| Sosumi | crapple offers both cloud and local | Oct 27 17:32 |
| MinceR | on the other hand, m$ and crApple may move to the cloud too | Oct 27 17:32 |
| Sosumi | yes, lock in and prism | Oct 27 17:32 |
| iophk | The FOSS suites get no mention, even in articles bemoaning M$ products. | Oct 27 17:32 |
| MinceR | most users don't realize that there are problems with the cloud | Oct 27 17:32 |
| iophk | It's like there is some kind of prohibition on mentioning them. | Oct 27 17:32 |
| Sosumi | and that's shamefull | Oct 27 17:32 |
| MinceR | so there will probably be little resistance | Oct 27 17:33 |
| iophk | renaming things to the cloud means that all the decades of argument against "hosting" are gone | Oct 27 17:33 |
| Sosumi | and ppl are total dumbeffers for going into the cloud mantra | Oct 27 17:34 |
| iophk | It's "new" otherwise it wouldn't be called "cloud" | Oct 27 17:34 |
| Sosumi | my god, submitting confidential files like research documents and financial information to a third party | Oct 27 17:34 |
| iophk | It certainly can't be that hosting we've already dismissed. | Oct 27 17:35 |
| Sosumi | that's like shooting oneself with a ion canon | Oct 27 17:35 |
| iophk | And letting that third party control access, too. | Oct 27 17:35 |
| Sosumi | yep | Oct 27 17:35 |
| iophk | Mother May I ... read my file? | Oct 27 17:35 |
| iophk | It certainly makes surveillance easier and more thorough. | Oct 27 17:36 |
| Sosumi | and then we have fascistoparanoid government/corporations snooping everything | Oct 27 17:36 |
| Sosumi | well at this point, gov and coorporations are exactly the same thing | Oct 27 17:36 |
| Sosumi | since the nation state is dead | Oct 27 17:36 |
| iophk | It's now the corporate state, if anything. | Oct 27 17:37 |
| Sosumi | we are in deux ex turned real | Oct 27 17:37 |
| Sosumi | remember the 1997 game? | Oct 27 17:37 |
| iophk | no | Oct 27 17:37 |
| iophk | it was probably a model for some, | Oct 27 17:38 |
| iophk | like 1984 | Oct 27 17:38 |
| Sosumi | yep | Oct 27 17:38 |
| Sosumi | also, benched one of my 2009 mac pros, opengl on osx is still crap compared to winblows or linux | Oct 27 17:41 |
| Sosumi | also, if there's a program that requires xquartz and you move the window to a second screen | Oct 27 17:42 |
| Sosumi | it crashes | Oct 27 17:42 |
| Sosumi | lawl | Oct 27 17:42 |
| Sosumi | tested on a dual xeon 5570, 32gb ram, hd5870 | Oct 27 17:43 |
| Sosumi | the other pro as a gtx 285, but can't be turned off | Oct 27 17:44 |
| Sosumi | so can't tell how good nvidia drivers are | Oct 27 17:44 |
| Sosumi | probably crap like usual | Oct 27 17:44 |
| iophk | I haven't followed nvidia. | Oct 27 17:46 |
| iophk | I thought IBM and ATI passed them with OSS drivers | Oct 27 17:46 |
| Sosumi | IBM? or intel | Oct 27 17:47 |
| iophk | Sorry Intel | Oct 27 17:47 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 27 17:47 |
| Sosumi | but I was refering to moronicks | Oct 27 17:48 |
| Sosumi | just benching the thing | Oct 27 17:48 |
| Sosumi | it was free as beer anyways | Oct 27 17:48 |
| iophk | with who-knows-what kind of payload inside the blob | Oct 27 17:49 |
| Sosumi | you actually don't know anything | Oct 27 17:53 |
| Sosumi | all you can do is use tools like little snitch to monitor outbound traffic | Oct 27 17:54 |
| iophk | if it's not too obfuscated | Oct 27 17:54 |
| Sosumi | yes, and even then somethings bypass it | Oct 27 17:54 |
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| Sosumi | although back in 10.7 I was noticing that osx was calling apple diagnostics server even through I had that functionality disabled | Oct 27 17:56 |
| Sosumi | on the security pane | Oct 27 17:56 |
| Sosumi | to not submit reports | Oct 27 17:56 |
| Sosumi | so, you can't really trust anything if you're not allowed to audit the source code | Oct 27 17:56 |
| iophk | basically | Oct 27 17:57 |
| iophk | especially if there is money to be made selling info about the users | Oct 27 17:57 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: hi | Oct 27 17:57 |
| Sosumi | touché | Oct 27 17:57 |
| iophk | hi | Oct 27 17:57 |
| Sosumi | seb³ | Oct 27 17:57 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I feel so stressed out | Oct 27 17:57 |
| sebsebseb | at the moment | Oct 27 17:57 |
| sebsebseb | or kind of thing | Oct 27 17:57 |
| sebsebseb | technical issues | Oct 27 17:57 |
| iophk | Mageia issues? | Oct 27 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they are really stubborn about having these remasters | Oct 27 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | and they want for all the distros | Oct 27 17:58 |
| iophk | :( | Oct 27 17:58 |
| MinceR | you should also be able to audit the hardware, though | Oct 27 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | idea now is too just give out remasters on the USB | Oct 27 17:58 |
| MinceR | and you'll need a way around Trusting Trust attacks | Oct 27 17:58 |
| iophk | remastering , that's wasted effort | Oct 27 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | and mayde do a few installs there from them to | Oct 27 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | remaster with all the security updates up to the creatio date of it | Oct 27 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | and a few pre installed apps for Joe and Jane average | Oct 27 17:58 |
| iophk | MinceR: http://www.dwheeler.com/trusting-trust/ | Oct 27 17:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.dwheeler.com | Fully Countering Trusting Trust through Diverse Double-Compiling (DDC) - Countering Trojan Horse attacks on Compilers | Oct 27 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: problem is all the tools that are for Magiea suck | Oct 27 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | they are out dated | Oct 27 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | or compex too use etc | Oct 27 17:58 |
| iophk | What is the package manager? | Oct 27 17:59 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: then other tools that I may be abble to use instead such as mklivecd aren't in the reos or whatver and uh | Oct 27 17:59 |
| sebsebseb | that would let me just copy the partition and everything in it | Oct 27 17:59 |
| sebsebseb | and make a live cd of that it seems | Oct 27 17:59 |
| iophk | Like I wrote before, having the visitors install a package will help train them to be independent when they get their machine home. | Oct 27 17:59 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and I got four weeks or so to make a test re master | Oct 27 17:59 |
| sebsebseb | ohama: or well it may not be one of the distros at the event | Oct 27 17:59 |
| iophk | Take it one step at a time then | Oct 27 17:59 |
| sebsebseb | that's baialy what he told me yesterday | Oct 27 17:59 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yes been though all that | Oct 27 18:00 |
| sebsebseb | ,but no that's not what is going too be done | Oct 27 18:00 |
| sebsebseb | in fact they only want remasters realy as well | Oct 27 18:00 |
| sebsebseb | they think having tandard live cd's that there isn't much point | Oct 27 18:00 |
| sebsebseb | they are stubbor and obbssesed about these remasters | Oct 27 18:00 |
| sebsebseb | stubborn and obbssessed | Oct 27 18:00 |
| iophk | sounds stupid | Oct 27 18:00 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: also installs wil ony happen if there is time | Oct 27 18:00 |
| sebsebseb | idea is to show them stuff on demonstration computers, and give out remasterd USB's | Oct 27 18:01 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: unforutnatly all the Maiea tools are comlex to use to make a re master | Oct 27 18:01 |
| iophk | have the demo computers there, but prioritize what is difficult or frightening | Oct 27 18:01 |
| sebsebseb | or out dated as well and uh | Oct 27 18:01 |
| iophk | Only the first one or two are hard. | Oct 27 18:01 |
| iophk | Keep written notes. | Oct 27 18:01 |
| iophk | Then once the first one is done, you have a recipe. | Oct 27 18:02 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: once the first what is done | Oct 27 18:02 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Oct 27 18:02 |
| iophk | The first remaster / custom ISO | Oct 27 18:02 |
| iophk | I've done RedHat and Ubuntu, but those were a while ago. | Oct 27 18:02 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: the Mageia remaster tools are old or out dated or very complex to use | Oct 27 18:03 |
| iophk | You'll want a second computer | Oct 27 18:03 |
| iophk | complex is not a problem if you can figure it out once. | Oct 27 18:03 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: sounds like trying too install thsi mklivecd may be the way to go, but that's not in the reos etc | Oct 27 18:03 |
| sebsebseb | that woud just copy the patition and whats on it, into a live cd | Oct 27 18:03 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and I hae four weeks or so to make this remaster or Maigea may not be one of the distros at the event, that's basially what he told me yesterday | Oct 27 18:04 |
| iophk | Another reason to go with an off-the-shelf standard LiveCD is that the visitors will be familiar with it if they encounter it again. | Oct 27 18:04 |
| iophk | That helps them gain independence | Oct 27 18:04 |
| iophk | otherwise they think they are dependent on your group. | Oct 27 18:04 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yes we been through all that already | Oct 27 18:04 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: but nope they want to do these re masterd with pre installed stuff | Oct 27 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | apparnatly instals would be done from the remaster to if any | Oct 27 18:05 |
| iophk | Do you have the equipment? 2 DVD RW or CD RW, 1 machine with Linux and a burner, 1 machine for install testing | Oct 27 18:05 |
| iophk | ? | Oct 27 18:05 |
| iophk | ? | Oct 27 18:05 |
| iophk | That's unreasonable to not do installs. | Oct 27 18:05 |
| iophk | The demos should show *standard* distros plus a highlighted app or two. | Oct 27 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: the idea now is, only too do installs at the eent if there is time | Oct 27 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | say not that many people | Oct 27 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: eent is only sixhours | Oct 27 18:06 |
| iophk | That's a lot of installs | Oct 27 18:06 |
| iophk | still | Oct 27 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so the idea is to not do any installs at all | Oct 27 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and only if there s time do some | Oct 27 18:06 |
| iophk | Figure 45 min per person per sinstall | Oct 27 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | it's about showing and giving out a remter more so than installs | Oct 27 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | it's not really an installfest now | Oct 27 18:06 |
| iophk | To me it sounds like a mistake, | Oct 27 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: it's a live showing infest or whatever | Oct 27 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | it's not realy a install fest now | Oct 27 18:07 |
| iophk | Yeah it can't be called an installfest now | Oct 27 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: idea is to send them back to us afte rwoulds if they want to install later for a lot | Oct 27 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they want too al the event itself, Linux Live 2014 | Oct 27 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | I have untill Monday | Oct 27 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | to suggest a better name | Oct 27 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | if I have one | Oct 27 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | otherwise yep Linux Live 2014 | Oct 27 18:07 |
| iophk | It's not even a live showing if there are not std Live DVD s any more. | Oct 27 18:08 |
| sebsebseb | well the re msters are stilll Live media's | Oct 27 18:08 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah not stanard ones | Oct 27 18:08 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: someome suggestd mklivecd too me to make the remaster of Magiea | Oct 27 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: instead of messing around with these complex outdated Magiea tools that's draklive and bcd | Oct 27 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | ,but with mkliecd not sure quite hwere to download the sript etc | Oct 27 18:09 |
| iophk | I used Kickstart, but that was a bit before Live CDs were common | Oct 27 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Kickstarter I heard of that recently, sinece the guy was saying something about that and Fedora | Oct 27 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | https://github.com/dillj/Unity-Linux/tree/master/mklivecd | Oct 27 18:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | github.com | Unity-Linux/mklivecd at master · dillj/Unity-Linux · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/fy4he ] | Oct 27 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | can I get source code for the srpt from that? | Oct 27 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | I can't see a download link | Oct 27 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mklivecd | Oct 27 18:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Mklivecd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Oct 27 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | officl site no longe there it seems as well | Oct 27 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: what's the site for kickstart? | Oct 27 18:13 |
| iophk | It's not a site. | Oct 27 18:14 |
| iophk | It's an installation method. | Oct 27 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | how to use that? | Oct 27 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | and how to get this mklivecd? | Oct 27 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | and uh | Oct 27 18:15 |
| iophk | It won't be good for a live CD, just for installation. | Oct 27 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: oh | Oct 27 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | well anyway then | Oct 27 18:15 |
| iophk | During boot, you point to a configuration file | Oct 27 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | how to get mklivecd? | Oct 27 18:15 |
| iophk | then it installs packages | Oct 27 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | if I can just copy an already exiting instal and make a livvecd of it | Oct 27 18:16 |
| sebsebseb | that is proaby the easiter way | Oct 27 18:16 |
| iophk | mklivecd? There might be other Live CD tools. | Oct 27 18:16 |
| sebsebseb | and apparnatlly with this mklivecd I can | Oct 27 18:16 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: there are other tools that can apparnaty make a live cd, but they aren't any good | Oct 27 18:16 |
| iophk | http://livecd.berlios.de/?Documentation:HowTo_Create_A_LiveCD | Oct 27 18:17 |
| iophk | ? | Oct 27 18:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | livecd.berlios.de | HowTo Create A LiveCD [ http://ur1.ca/fy4hs ] | Oct 27 18:17 |
| iophk | taht uses mklivecd too | Oct 27 18:17 |
| iophk | Is mklivecd in Mageia's repository? | Oct 27 18:18 |
| sebsebseb | that's a old article | Oct 27 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | the link for downloading mklivecd doen't work a well | Oct 27 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | and no mklivecd doesn't seem to be in Mageia's repo's as I belie I put earier | Oct 27 18:20 |
| iophk | right, you should use what's in the repository | Oct 27 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | wel it's not in the repo's | Oct 27 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Oct 27 18:20 |
| iophk | is there a forum or mailing list for Mageia powerusers? | Oct 27 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | I sent a email to discuss askin g about remasteirng | Oct 27 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | last night | Oct 27 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | one repy suggestd mklivecd | Oct 27 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | another from smeone I had talkd to on IRC about stuff went through the tools and said stuff about them being complated etc | Oct 27 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | and someone suggestd something else, but yeah | Oct 27 18:21 |
| iophk | what else was suggested? | Oct 27 18:21 |
| iophk | It has to fit with RPM distros | Oct 27 18:22 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/04/us-adobe-cyberattack-idUSBRE99212Y20131004 | Oct 27 18:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.reuters.com | Adobe says source code, customer data stolen by hackers | Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/fy4ii ] | Oct 27 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I'll show you these two other emails | Oct 27 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | was just going to start copying one in the message of | Oct 27 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | not incuding my own message agian of course though | Oct 27 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | I looked at the BCD documentiaton PDF last night by the way, which seems to have just come over from Mandria | Oct 27 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah I don't understand that realy | Oct 27 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | anyway messages | Oct 27 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | : | Oct 27 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | I'm also interested in remastering isos. Seems like we have 3 options | Oct 27 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | for doing this: draklive, bcd and isomaster - all of them are not user | Oct 27 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | friendly. | Oct 27 18:24 |
| iophk | Can you link to the archived answers? | Oct 27 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 27 18:24 | |
| sebsebseb | Draklive... used to build live isos | Oct 27 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | In the past i was able to create some updated/remastered isos with | Oct 27 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | draklive. It was Mandriva 2010 and Mageia 1. | Oct 27 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | After Mageia 1 I tried it few times but with no luck. Seems like | Oct 27 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | version we have available on SVN/GIT is not the one currently used | Oct 27 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | for creating live isos. | Oct 27 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | I hope it will be available some day, then I will write some how-to on the wiki. | Oct 27 18:25 |
| iophk | which one is the most actively developed? | Oct 27 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 27 18:25 | |
| sebsebseb | BCD... used to build classical installer isos (DVD, dualcd) | Oct 27 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | I have never used this tool | Oct 27 18:25 |
| iophk | Is draklive the most actively developed one? | Oct 27 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 27 18:25 | |
| sebsebseb | Isomaster.... also not user friendly but works. If no better option | Oct 27 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | will be available I will try to write how-to for it after Mageia 4 | Oct 27 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | release. | Oct 27 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | that's his message | Oct 27 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | and draklive apparatly is the one that the offical live cd's are made with, but acording to this guy, it's all out dated in the repo | Oct 27 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | also on Friday/Thursday I een emailed the guy who maks the offical live cd's and what not about makng a remaster, and yep no reply unfortunatlly | Oct 27 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | someone else sent me this: | Oct 27 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | I'm not an expert, but I would start by taking an mga3 iso, unpacking it, creating the corresponding update directories, and then creating the other corresponding files, in parallel with what you find in the initial directories. | Oct 27 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | The iso's are only about 4G, leaving about 700M free for adding updates and other packages. | Oct 27 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | If you remove any existing packages, the associated package lists and MD5SUM's will have to be changed. | Oct 27 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 27 18:28 | |
| sebsebseb | All the changes should be under /i586/ (for 32bit) or /x86_64/ (for 64 bit). | Oct 27 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | Some regular files there, as well as under .../media/*. | Oct 27 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | I don't know how the hdlist.cz and synthesis.hdlist.cz files are created | Oct 27 18:28 |
| iophk | From what I remember the package list and checksums are calcualted when the ISO image is created. | Oct 27 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 27 18:28 | |
| sebsebseb | HTH, at least to start ... | Oct 27 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I have never made a remate of any distro before | Oct 27 18:29 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so this is all new to me | Oct 27 18:29 |
| sebsebseb | and typial this distro doens't have some nice GU to use to make them | Oct 27 18:29 |
| sebsebseb | like Mint and Open Suse do | Oct 27 18:29 |
| sebsebseb | easy enough for the Open Suse guy to make one for that distro and so on, but here it's the opposoite | Oct 27 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | and Google doesn't realy help eeither when looking stuff up it seems | Oct 27 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: am I really going too have to e like in four weeks | Oct 27 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | no I can't make the remaster it seems | Oct 27 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | and then be told that there won't be Magiea as one of the distros? | Oct 27 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | probably | Oct 27 18:30 |
| iophk | Don't worrry about the 4 weeks. Worry about which tool to start with. | Oct 27 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | uh | Oct 27 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: according to that guy who also emailed me, it seems there may be a een more updated darklive | Oct 27 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | ,but not in the repo's | Oct 27 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | the offical LIve Media's are made using it | Oct 27 18:31 |
| iophk | can you install it anyway? | Oct 27 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | I did instll dark live and the thing for that | Oct 27 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I just seem to get the installer opended and that's it | Oct 27 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | I don't understnad about this dark lie etc | Oct 27 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | and I tried to open from terminal and didnt get far before a well and uh | Oct 27 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't know what to do here | Oct 27 18:32 |
| iophk | mkisofs -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c boot.cat -V Custom_Disc -o /kickstart.iso -no-emul-boot -boot-info-table -r -l /kickstart/ | Oct 27 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | and there doesn't seem too just be some remasteirng expert that I can turn too for help, for this distro. as well uh | Oct 27 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | what does that command do? | Oct 27 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | is that meant to make a ISO? | Oct 27 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | or file system of | Oct 27 18:33 |
| iophk | It makes an ISO image from a bunch of files on your HD | Oct 27 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Oct 27 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | which files? | Oct 27 18:34 |
| iophk | You basically unpack the CD or DVD onto the HD | Oct 27 18:34 |
| iophk | then make some changes | Oct 27 18:34 |
| iophk | then use mkisofs to build an ISO | Oct 27 18:35 |
| iophk | the you burn it to CD RW or DVD RW | Oct 27 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I guess I can just do it all on the command line | Oct 27 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | if I know the commands | Oct 27 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | is that what your getting at here or? | Oct 27 18:35 |
| iophk | yes | Oct 27 18:35 |
| iophk | it may be faster and easier that way. | Oct 27 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: all I want too do though is really just take an offical image | Oct 27 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | say the Live CD | Oct 27 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | or I uess maye een the Live DVD with English only on it | Oct 27 18:36 |
| iophk | That should work. | Oct 27 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | pre install all the security updates | Oct 27 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | up to the creation of my re master | Oct 27 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | and a few additional apps as well that Joe and Jane average may want pre intalled | Oct 27 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think dralive is a comand line one too | Oct 27 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: might have to reome some progrms like gimp for space reaosns to, or, beuase they don't want gimp pre intalled maybe | Oct 27 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | I think gimp is by default | Oct 27 18:37 |
| iophk | Do keep notes on what you want. | Oct 27 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | well he has this idea to have the sme pe installed apps in all of them | Oct 27 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | as in when select our own pre installed apps, they all have the same ones | Oct 27 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | and also that might have to remove more than just translations for space reasons,so gimp too for example | Oct 27 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ,but really I just need to make some kind of test remaster | Oct 27 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | of Magiea | Oct 27 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | to show it can be done etc | Oct 27 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | and that I can do it, later on I would have to make the real one with Mageia 4 | Oct 27 18:39 |
| iophk | How about this? | Oct 27 18:39 |
| iophk | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_a_Live_CD | Oct 27 18:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fedoraproject.org | How to create and use a Live CD - FedoraProject [ http://ur1.ca/0860w ] | Oct 27 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | security upatses, and pre intsalled apps | Oct 27 18:39 |
| iophk | can that be imported to mageia | Oct 27 18:39 |
| iophk | ? | Oct 27 18:40 |
| iophk | I forgot about VirtualBox or Qemu. | Oct 27 18:41 |
| iophk | You can use them to test your ISO images before burning them. | Oct 27 18:41 |
| iophk | I'd recommend Qemu because that can be launched entirely from the shell. | Oct 27 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well livecd-creator isn't in Mageia's repo's it seems | Oct 27 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | PC Linux OS has some kind of GUI made by texstar it seems that uses mkliecd too going by wht I read earlier as well | Oct 27 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | and PC Linux OS was based on Manrake in 2003 so hmm | Oct 27 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | what I been thining is could I use that for example, but to make one for Mageia hmm | Oct 27 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I have also bee thinking if I give up sine all this emaster stupidty, I might just try and suggest PCLOS instead uh | Oct 27 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | well it has the contorl centre to and is a stable rolling release | Oct 27 18:43 |
| iophk | I still think it's stupid not to use stock disc images | Oct 27 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | as for virtual machines indeed can test the remasterd ISO like that first | Oct 27 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well there won't be any local repo's either with this idea | Oct 27 18:44 |
| iophk | Yes, the VM can be lauchned from one line and run all the way through the boot up. | Oct 27 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | turns out the room has ethernet as well | Oct 27 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | as well as wifi at the venue | Oct 27 18:44 |
| iophk | Ethernet connected to what? | Oct 27 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | the Internet I guess | Oct 27 18:44 |
| iophk | Yes but what quality? | Oct 27 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | I don't know | Oct 27 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I hpe they haven't picked a too stupi room | Oct 27 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | ,beause of it eing central | Oct 27 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I mean it's smaller than the one that coul hae gotat this other place | Oct 27 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | ,but someone would e the recetionsits for the event basially, control the door etc | Oct 27 18:45 |
| iophk | yeah it increases staffing requirements | Oct 27 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | yeah, but bene given it free | Oct 27 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | that's why it has won | Oct 27 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | and two of them haveseen that room, but I haven't | Oct 27 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I was at the same venue the other week looking at another room | Oct 27 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | it's a very popular well known venue in the centre of the city | Oct 27 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | ,but the room itself can only fir about 30 to 40 peope max it seems | Oct 27 18:46 |
| iophk | free is good | Oct 27 18:46 |
| iophk | maybe you'll have to throw people out if it gets too crowded | Oct 27 18:47 |
| *__martin__ has quit (Quit: leaving) | Oct 27 18:47 | |
| sebsebseb | so she may have to control the door, the number of people in the room depending on who turns up etc | Oct 27 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | and she has to do that nayway | Oct 27 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | since t's not realy a public room as such | Oct 27 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: exatct | Oct 27 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | exactly she may have to not let in certian people if it gets to crowded | Oct 27 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | or not let them in yet | Oct 27 18:47 |
| iophk | tazer! | Oct 27 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they think 200 people for the whole day | Oct 27 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | may not even get that | Oct 27 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | ,but we'll see I guess | Oct 27 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: it's the nicer venue and the more central, but it's also a smaller room so hmm | Oct 27 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ,but this is going oo be a Mint and Open Suse event by the looks of it | Oct 27 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | and maybe Ubuntu or Fedora as well | Oct 27 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | unless I can do this remaster uh | Oct 27 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't know what to doo | Oct 27 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | I think draklive is a command ine thing to | Oct 27 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | and then with that bcd got to make like a script for it as well or something uh | Oct 27 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: i just wanted to go with standard install media and loal repo's, but no got to od things this way uh | Oct 27 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe you can install Mageia in a vm at least? and try and make a remaster yourself orsomething? | Oct 27 18:51 |
| *sebsebseb needs proper help here hmm | Oct 27 18:51 | |
| sebsebseb | iophk: this wole remater thing hs een stresing me out every time I have thought of it | Oct 27 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | ever since it was suggested and sugested and suggested and oh yeah let's do the remaster | Oct 27 18:52 |
| iophk | don't think of the whole thing then | Oct 27 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | ,beause it's so asy to make for Mint and OpenSUse | Oct 27 18:52 |
| iophk | think of the first step only | Oct 27 18:52 |
| iophk | Look at Fedora, then | Oct 27 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | I remember sitting at that meeting saying to this guy, I don't know how to make them, but I'll try and find out for Maiea | Oct 27 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | then the other week I got nagged where's your remaaster ? by another oen | Oct 27 18:53 |
| sebsebseb | I sent email eplaining I had tech issues etc,but I am on my own | Oct 27 18:53 |
| sebsebseb | these people won't help me try and make one it seems for this distro | Oct 27 18:53 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: look at Fedora? | Oct 27 18:53 |
| sebsebseb | I said that iso ceate tool in that Fedora page isn't in Mageia's repo's so hmm | Oct 27 18:54 |
| sebsebseb | that isobuilder that guy mentioend using before isn't in the repos either it seems so hmm | Oct 27 18:54 |
| sebsebseb | yeah these complated tools to use draklive and bcd are in the repos though of course | Oct 27 18:54 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: of course this can be done, but how and so on, and it's probaby not that dififcult too do really once know what doing, but uh | Oct 27 18:55 |
| iophk | What other forums have you posted to? | Oct 27 18:56 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: here's how I see it as well, saing how great Mageia was, may come backand get at me | Oct 27 18:56 |
| sebsebseb | if I can't remeaster | Oct 27 18:56 |
| iophk | LinuxQuestions, StackExchange? | Oct 27 18:56 |
| sebsebseb | uh | Oct 27 18:56 |
| sebsebseb | no not on any forums yet | Oct 27 18:56 |
| sebsebseb | I did think I could start a thread on the Magiea forum as well though if neassarey, but I sent out a emai to discuss that got replies last night | Oct 27 18:56 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think if I can just copy a install tand make a liecd out of it using mklivecd | Oct 27 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | that is the easiest way too go, but no mklivecd in repos it seems so hmm | Oct 27 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: should I give up, and just well let it be a Mitn and Open SUse an whatever event | Oct 27 18:58 |
| sebsebseb | no agiea | Oct 27 18:58 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Oct 27 18:58 |
| sebsebseb | :( | Oct 27 18:58 |
| iophk | Fedora at least. | Oct 27 19:02 |
| iophk | Start the thread on the Mageia forum too. You can explore several communications media in parallel | Oct 27 19:03 |
| iophk | . | Oct 27 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: does this page make much sense too you or? https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Draklive also it actsaullly mentions mklivecd a bit, but uhmm see for yourself | Oct 27 19:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | wiki.mageia.org | Draklive - Mageia wiki | Oct 27 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Draklive | Oct 27 19:04 |
| iophk | " Bu Şablon Hakkında " ???? | Oct 27 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: what? | Oct 27 19:09 |
| iophk | It was on that wiki page | Oct 27 19:10 |
| iophk | it's not all in English | Oct 27 19:10 |
| iophk | I don't see enough info on that page to customize the disc | Oct 27 19:11 |
| iophk | Have you posted to the forum yet? | Oct 27 19:11 |
| sebsebseb | no | Oct 27 19:13 |
| iophk | Please do so. They can't help until you have asked. | Oct 27 19:13 |
| iophk | There are people in all timezones so it is good to get the question in as soon as you can. | Oct 27 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah, but I feel to stressed out too mess around resetting my password and posting on forum an such | Oct 27 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | at the moment | Oct 27 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I did look there just now though | Oct 27 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | there's a basic support area | Oct 27 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | and a adanced support area | Oct 27 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | what does htis go unde advanced since the tools aren't user friendly hmm | Oct 27 19:17 |
| iophk | probably advanced | Oct 27 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | yeah that's what I am thinking | Oct 27 19:19 |
| iophk | custom LiveDVDs are a power-user kind of thing | Oct 27 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I'll reply to emails soon | Oct 27 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | ,but not messing around with forum for now | Oct 27 19:20 |
| iophk | Do you have your password reset yet and loggedinot the forum? | Oct 27 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | need a break from all this I think | Oct 27 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | some mindless TV | Oct 27 19:20 |
| iophk | Do the forum(s) in parallel, post and then you can forget for today | Oct 27 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | parallel post ? | Oct 27 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | hmm yeah or do the foru post in a bit ike your saying, and then wait for replies etc | Oct 27 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | and watch TV or whatever | Oct 27 19:22 |
| iophk | yes rest while the replies come in | Oct 27 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | I got Under The Dome to catch up on | Oct 27 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | Nikita to catch up on as well, we are quite behind in UK, but what was on TV, the last two Friday's | Oct 27 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | I got the Blacklist to catch up on a wlel | Oct 27 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | as well | Oct 27 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: do you watch any of those shows? | Oct 27 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | unde the dome maybe? | Oct 27 19:23 |
| iophk | no | Oct 27 19:36 |
| iophk | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_a_Live_CD | Oct 27 19:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fedoraproject.org | How to create and use a Live CD - FedoraProject [ http://ur1.ca/0860w ] | Oct 27 19:40 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.yidio.com/show/saturday-night-live/season-39/episode-1/3310374651 | Oct 27 21:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.yidio.com | Watch Saturday Night Live Clip: Cold Open: Obamacare Video Online [ http://ur1.ca/fy4zw ] | Oct 27 21:05 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer shared WIRED's photo. | Oct 27 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | 15 minutes ago · Edited | Oct 27 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | "Back in 1994, Apple was actually at the forefront of digital photography. The QuickTake Camera’s photos (640 x 480 at 0.3 megapixels) were borderline unusable for anything other than your Geocities homepage. But technology has to start somewhere." | Oct 27 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | It's a shame that their iPad still takes low resolution pictures like this in 2013. | Oct 27 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 27 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Oct 27 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | It's also funny that Apple's Mac Minis that were released before 2009 aren't fast enough to play a video game released with tablets in mind in 2010, while most non-Apple PCs built in 2003 will run that game. | Oct 27 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | (From the Rochard release notes) | Oct 27 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 27 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Oct 27 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | When Valve was porting Half Life 2 to Mac OS, they had to stop and ask Apple to implement GL_ARB_occlusion_query, a feature that had been in OpenGL for several years, meaning that Apple was lying to applications about which version of OpenGL it actually supported, and any program that attempted to use this feature would crash instead. | Oct 27 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 27 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | a few seconds ago | Oct 27 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | When Apple released Mac OS 10.9 this month, they bragged that they support OpenGL 4.0. I don't know if that's true or not, since Apple lies about missing features that are required for compliance with the standards, and implements features incorrectly which make them unusable. | Oct 27 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | Nevertheless.... | Oct 27 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | Khronos released OpenGL 4.0 in March of 2010. The beta Nvidia driver (for Windows and GNU/Linux) with OpenGL 4 experimental support was released in July of 2010, and AMD's beta driver was out in August of 2010. | Oct 27 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | Their official drivers have had OpenGL 4.0 support since like September/October 2010. | Oct 27 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | They currently support OpenGL 4.2 and they have beta drivers out with OpenGL 4.3. | Oct 27 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz_bed2: Around? | Oct 27 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 27 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | 39 minutes ago · | Oct 27 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | If a software license says that I can't share with others, I'm generally disinclined to use that software, because not being able to share is an anti-social and generally dysfunctional thing. | Oct 27 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | If a license for a digital work says you can't share with others, and you violate that term of use, I don't think there's anything morally wrong with that. You're causing more harm by following the rules and depriving society of something than you are by making copies for your friends. | Oct 27 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | But software is a special case, because there's really two forms of it. One is the binary form that runs on your computer, and the other is the source code that it came from, which can be altered and compiled into a different version of that program. | Oct 27 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | When proprietary software companies only give you the binaries, then there's generally not much you can do to improve the software or eliminate malicious "features" that you don't like. So, it's better not to share proprietary software with others, whether or not the license says you can do it, because then there will be one more copy of something that denies its users their freedom. | Oct 27 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | Generally, with proprietary software and malicious hostile devices like iThings, it's better to just not use them, and to not even tell other people they exist unless you're also willing to explain the problems that those things will cause them later. | Oct 27 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | Malicious software companies, like Microsoft and Apple, want things like digital restrictions malware to feel natural. They want sharing and copying to be thought of as stealing. This is not only false, it is ridiculous. | Oct 27 23:01 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztd9m71Jc-Y | Oct 27 23:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Richard Stallman Speech - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fy5cf ] | Oct 27 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | posted to my Facebook wall | Oct 27 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | "I have to stand here and fix this damned thing every time it jams, until I get my output." -Richard Stallman (about Xerox's laser printer) | Oct 27 23:18 |
| MinceR | gn | Oct 27 23:38 |
| Sosumi | run to hills, Y2K, Y2K, erhmgerd, things are going to blow unless they run on crApple systems | Oct 27 23:50 |
| Sosumi | http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/10/27/another-daylight-saving-time-bug-strikes-apples-ios-7-affects-calendar-display | Oct 27 23:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | appleinsider.com | Another daylight saving time bug strikes Apple's iOS 7, affects calendar display [ http://ur1.ca/fy5fh ] | Oct 27 23:50 |
| Sosumi | lulz | Oct 27 23:50 |
| Sosumi | crApple can't even handle DST changes | Oct 27 23:50 |
| Sosumi | but they used to joke about windows's leap year problem | Oct 27 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | 46 seconds ago · Edited | Oct 28 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | "There are programmers that say 'If I don't agree to do this, and this, and this to get a programming job, I'll starve.' They literally claim they'll starve. | Oct 28 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | Even in India, there are millions of people who are not programmers, who are not starving, so this must be somewhat of an exaggeration. | Oct 28 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | Now, I had no other noteworthy skills, but I'm sure I could have been a waiter. Perhaps not at a fine restaurant, but I could have been a waiter somewhere. | Oct 28 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | There are two things to note about being a waiter. #1. Being a waiter is not unethical, unless it's at McDonalds. #2. As a waiter, you're not going to starve, unless it's at McDonalds. | Oct 28 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | Please be aware that the popularity of McDonalds is due to a confusion on the part of poorly educated Americans. They heard the term 'fast food' and they thought it meant 'rapid food'. They didn't realize that it meant 'food for not eating'. But that's exactly what it's meant for. | Oct 28 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | The idea is that if you are fasting, but you're getting hungry, and you're feeling a pull to eat something, you imagine that McDonalds food, and you lose your appetite. And that way you can complete your fast." -Richard Stallman, regarding Non-Disclosure Agreements (and McDonalds). | Oct 28 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | 2 hours ago · Edited | Oct 28 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | When Valve was porting Half Life 2 to Mac OS, they had to stop and ask Apple to implement GL_ARB_occlusion_query, a feature that had been in OpenGL for several years*, meaning that Apple was lying to applications about which version of OpenGL it actually supported, and any program that attempted to use this feature would crash instead. | Oct 28 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | *(I can't remember exactly when, but Half Life 2 was out in 2004, and occlusion query was a part of the Windows drivers at that point.) | Oct 28 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Apple's control freakery is so bad that they have to re-invent everything, even if it already exists, and even if their implementation is ultimately worse. | Oct 28 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Oct 28 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | Forty years ago, we had the right wing extremists soaking crosses in kerosene and setting them on fire in people's front yards. Now we have the same kind of people who work within the system to focus hatred legislatively. | Oct 28 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | They don't get the contempt they deserve because they aren't setting crosses on fire in people's lawns, but don't be fooled, they're the same people. They'll always pick on people that they don't think are strong enough to fight back. It's time to take the gloves off and stand up to these bullies and say "You know what? I'm sick of this, and I'm not going to stand here and take it from you anymore.". | Oct 28 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | We might lose (it's Indiana, which I call "the south giving the finger to the north"), but we don't have to take this quietly. | Oct 28 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | 3 minutes ago · Edited | Oct 28 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | I joked about how we'll never get rid of Leonard and Stutzman no matter how crazy they are, because the Republicans have my district so gerrymandered that the Democrats don't even bother to oppose them. | Oct 28 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | I said "There's more turnover in the Russian Kremlin than in the US House of Representatives or the Indiana House or Senate, because of these cheating Republicans.". | Oct 28 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | It's so bad that I have to leave part of my ballot blank because I refuse to rubber stamp the right wing extremist, and there's nobody else on the ballot to vote for. | Oct 28 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Oct 28 00:42 |
| DaemonFC | If a game of checkers was played between a Republican and a Democrat, the Republican would make the first eight moves and then claim it was fair because they changed the rules. | Oct 28 00:42 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-october-21-2013/the-weakest-link---a-few-glitches?xrs=synd_facebook_102213_tds_85 | Oct 28 03:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.thedailyshow.com | The Weakest Link - A Few Glitches - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 10/21/13 - Video Clip | Comedy Central [ http://ur1.ca/fy69b ] | Oct 28 03:04 |
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| DaemonFC | Someone I know says he works two jobs. | Oct 28 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | I told him that I almost ended up doing that years ago, but I got to thinking about whether it was more important to have more time or more crap. | Oct 28 06:25 |
| DaemonFC | Then I realized that if I had no time to enjoy the extra stuff I could buy, there was no reason to have the stuff, so there was no reason to work more hours to have it. | Oct 28 06:25 |
| iophk | http://www.zdnet.com/concerns-rise-on-os-x-mavericks-gmail-compatibility-7000022481/ | Oct 28 07:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zdnet.com | Concerns rise on OS X Mavericks' Gmail compatibility | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/fy72h ] | Oct 28 07:48 |
| iophk | http://www.datamation.com/open-source/seven-things-you-can-do-in-kde-but-not-on-other-linux-desktops-1.html | Oct 28 08:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.datamation.com | Seven Things You Can Do in KDE (But Not on Other Linux Desktops) - Datamation [ http://ur1.ca/fy77h ] | Oct 28 08:28 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3216617 | Oct 28 09:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: By the standards of the #fbi the #us population is being radicalised. Their big fear is, this so-called "radicalisation" becomes the norm. | Oct 28 09:35 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Trying to kill the movement with the new COINTELPRO" | Oct 28 09:35 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394756299671748608 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394756856843108353 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394757169230663680 | Oct 28 09:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Europe should be grateful for NSA spying, Rogers says http://t.co/5y9WudN7bs thank you for #espionage | Oct 28 09:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.cbsnews.com | Europe should be grateful for NSA spying, Rogers says - CBS News | Oct 28 09:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 60 Minutes (CBS) has a new #propaganda piece titled "Benghazi". How will they spin that CIA Al-Qaeda feeding (arming) frenzy? | Oct 28 09:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The NSA tells us there are terrorists and the CIA can confirm because it has the receipts/invoices (weapons with blank cheque). | Oct 28 09:36 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394759778565902336 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394760023664263168 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394760450984148992 | Oct 28 09:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Recently saw some images of Marines who protest, saying they would refuse to fight in Syria because they joined to stop Al Qaeda,not help it | Oct 28 09:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Reports indicate that nothing seems as 'violent' and dangerous to secret agencies than the anti-war movement. It means we're winning. | Oct 28 09:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Many people don't know that Dawkins used to be an anti-war activist before he was a so-called 'militant' Atheist https://t.co/d9Utl0gRrK | Oct 28 09:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | TTA Podcast 131: The Richard Dawkins Interview - YouTube | Oct 28 09:41 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394763497441329152 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394763563107360768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394764147797553152 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394764530603290624 | Oct 28 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: As if participating in protest is now terrorism... http://t.co/98Xp8sBDSu http://t.co/iBe7NpFHK1 #spain | Oct 28 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> uk.reuters.com | NSA spied on 60 million Spanish phone calls in a month - report | Reuters | Oct 28 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.ft.com | NSA monitored 60m phone calls in Spain, say media - FT.com | Oct 28 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: NSA 'monitored 60m Spanish calls in a month' http://t.co/xn6QDSt2sR wow, so many 'terrorists', maybe the majority! | Oct 28 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - NSA 'monitored 60m Spanish calls in a month' | Oct 28 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: CIA employees: "Homeland" is just inaccurate #propaganda http://t.co/IKC78NcTyu #hogwash and #pr like Zero Dark Thirty | Oct 28 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.telegraph.co.uk | Homeland nothing like real intelligence work, say CIA employees - Telegraph | Oct 28 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Former US Official: For Every Yemen Terrorist US Drones Kill, 40-60 New Enemies Are Created http://t.co/BAUERcU6ZK more business | Oct 28 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> antiwar.com | Former US Official: For Every Yemen Terrorist US Drones Kill, 40-60 New Enemies Are Created « Antiwar.com Blog | Oct 28 10:04 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394764831313915904 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394765186634371072 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394765581918158848 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394766346745311232 | Oct 28 10:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Without any real, profound analysis (cost analysis for example), the war on terror because as pointless as the war on sharing | Oct 28 10:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The #cia #drone attacks don't make anyone safer http://t.co/ByFTNbLISe http://t.co/2CNwOHn4Wu | Oct 28 10:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> rt.com | Each drone strike creates at least 40 new militants - ex-State Dept. official — RT USA | Oct 28 10:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.digitaljournal.com | US official: Every Yemen drone strike creates 40-60 new enemies | Oct 28 10:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Simply put, US #drones kill http://t.co/6trVJGj2ec "I saw the title “Drones make America safer.”" The power of #propaganda | Oct 28 10:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.dailycal.org | Simply put, US drones kill - The Daily Californian | Oct 28 10:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Defense One" (pro-war) is trying to say that #drones that lack human intervention/judgment are more 'secure' http://t.co/Qyu8I8RxvL | Oct 28 10:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> qz.com | The most secure drones will be able to kill without human controllers – Quartz | Oct 28 10:05 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://youngcons.com/pigs-are-flying-hollywood-celebrities-come-together-and-make-a-video-slamming-the-government/?fb_action_ids=10202446111180224&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%252210202446111180224%2522%253A725926047436192%7D&action_type_map=%7B%252210202446111180224%2522%253A%2522og.likes%2522%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D | Oct 28 10:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | youngcons.com | Pigs are flying: Hollywood celebrities come together and make a video slamming the government | Young Conservatives [ http://ur1.ca/fy7lq ] | Oct 28 10:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394767083902627840 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394767474849505280 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394767875355189248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394768289622392832 | Oct 28 10:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Power for change https://t.co/V1BO3YfV1L | Oct 28 10:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: White House hypocrisy https://t.co/xVqaaC99kv | Oct 28 10:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Germany, Brazil enlist 19 more countries for anti-NSA UN resolution http://t.co/1jtmwrKQDK #europe #southamerica #un #privacy | Oct 28 10:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> rt.com | NO TITLE | Oct 28 10:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Oil in Antarctica https://t.co/iFe5E0nyvT | Oct 28 10:15 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3216629 | Oct 28 10:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: popped... | Oct 28 10:22 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Don't you hate it when that happens?" | Oct 28 10:22 |
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| *iophk (~lars@unaffiliated/iophk) has joined #techrights | Oct 28 10:43 | |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to iophk | Oct 28 10:43 | |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394770967605809152 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394771729182359552 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394772099346485248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394773092809326592 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394774033239392256 | Oct 28 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Off work today and tomorrow, should have time to carry on with #techrights redesign and also some new articles. #privacy #techrights | Oct 28 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Given the news from Spain and Belgium it seems like Kroes is pursuing the lesser issues with telecoms in #europe http://t.co/woEkEuhDeH | Oct 28 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> ec.europa.eu | EU leaders agree to create a connected continent - European Commission | Oct 28 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Two Projects We Love http://t.co/uLo8Q5J4Bz #OLPC compared to #raspberryPi | Oct 28 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.montanalinux.org | Two Projects We Love | MontanaLinux.org | Oct 28 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Monaco: What's Yours Is Mine is coming to Linux with new content http://t.co/ABlnmpRXEv #gnu #linux #games | Oct 28 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> tech2.in.com | Monaco: What's Yours Is Mine is coming to Linux with new content | Oct 28 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Debian 6.0.8 Officially Released http://t.co/CHvM4VaN5x #debian #gnu #linux | Oct 28 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | Debian 6.0.8 Officially Released | Oct 28 10:49 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394774385443483648 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394774728260743169 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394775097921507328 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394775424737480704 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394775605419716608 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394776417080442880 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394777113112612866 https://twitter.com/ | Oct 28 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Ubuntu almost a decade old http://t.co/pFOoMxwSIT another LTS in the making http://t.co/8PspiUwhCx | Oct 28 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | Happy Birthday, Ubuntu 4.10 Warty Warthog | Oct 28 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Opens For Development | OMG! Ubuntu! | Oct 28 10:50 |
| schestowitz_bed | schestowitz/status/394777482584674304 | Oct 28 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: US Navy’s most advanced warship is powered by Linux and Intel http://t.co/HO2AAB8rSu leaving Windows? http://t.co/8W3VSqYsS6 | Oct 28 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.geek.com | US Navy’s most advanced warship is powered by Linux and Intel | Chips | Geek.com | Oct 28 10:50 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394777482584674304 | Oct 28 10:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | The US Navy Moves to GNU/Linux | Techrights | Oct 28 10:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: PCLinuxOS #KDE #MiniMe and #LXDE 2013.10 Review http://t.co/xCOKz4GKsk #gnu #linux | Oct 28 10:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> unsolicitedbutoffered.blogspot.co.uk | Unsolicited but Offered: PCLinuxOS KDE MiniMe and LXDE 2013.10 Review Part 1 | Oct 28 10:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Chromebooks and Chromium OS Experience http://t.co/VhQaTNKwNq #gnu #linux | Oct 28 10:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.terminally-incoherent.com | Chromebooks and Chromium OS Experience | Terminally Incoherent | Oct 28 10:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Citrix's Mark Hinkle: Linux Can Change the World Beyond Technology http://t.co/40t89MgDcY #linux | Oct 28 10:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.linux.com | Citrix's Mark Hinkle: Linux Can Change the World Beyond Technology | Linux.com | Oct 28 10:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Richard Stallman on Policy-Setting in the United States http://t.co/TrtUfk6E73 #us #lobbying #policy | Oct 28 10:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Richard Stallman on Policy-Setting in the United States | Oct 28 10:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Taiwanese soldiers wearing ballistic masks look like 'the cavalry from hell' http://t.co/WiaJBu9MMx #taiwan #rpc #china #police #army | Oct 28 10:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.scmp.com | Taiwanese soldiers wearing ballistic masks look like 'the cavalry from hell' | South China Morning Post | Oct 28 10:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | twitter.com | Twitter | Oct 28 10:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Bytes Media put a bid in for Tux Machines (to help save the site from becoming another The H/Groklaw). Outcome to be known today. | Oct 28 10:51 |
| iophk | schestowtiz_bed: if you get Tux Machines, how would you manage an extra site? | Oct 28 11:22 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/nn81/status/394781774272020480 | Oct 28 11:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @nn81: @schestowitz I've wrote about an ZDnet article looking more like marketing than serious review. Comments deleted when stating the obvious :( | Oct 28 11:23 |
| schestowitz_bed | ZDNet is corrupt 'news' . I exposed their tactics over the years http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/ZDNet | Oct 28 11:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | ZDNet - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/d50sx ] | Oct 28 11:23 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/wood5y/status/394784579879333888 | Oct 28 11:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @wood5y: @schestowitz I never realised Abiword could handle epub. Thanks for posting the link. | Oct 28 11:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394779198252126209 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394779402594451457 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394779719893516288 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394780363819843584 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394780639645696000 | Oct 28 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Why system76 always ships the newest ubuntu http://t.co/gp5OsuUNmt | Oct 28 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> jderose.blogspot.co.uk | measurably superior: Why System76 always ships the newest Ubuntu release | Oct 28 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Windows 8.1, Linux, Android, and "The Next Big Thing"™ http://t.co/avYOJ0RP6s #android #linux #vista8 #microsoft | Oct 28 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> devmaster.net | [OT] Windows 8.1, Linux, Android, and "The Next Big Thing"™ | DevMaster | Oct 28 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "My standard desktop account was replaced and I’m now logged in using my online Microsoft account. Seriously?" http://t.co/avYOJ0RP6s #nsa | Oct 28 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Dark Matter brings survival horror to PC, Mac and Linux http://t.co/CWd8P2SDjm #games #gnu #linux | Oct 28 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.polygon.com | Dark Matter brings survival horror to PC, Mac and Linux | Polygon | Oct 28 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Just noticed lack of criticism in #zdnet comments and thought I'd point out that in ZDNet comments they don't like get deleted. #censorship | Oct 28 11:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394780805337448448 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394781598702632960 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394782859560767488 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394783037885808640 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394783382946988032 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394783608902516736 | Oct 28 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Open hardware and why it is revolutionary http://t.co/gvbZod4pJU #openhardware #hardware #hacking #sharing | Oct 28 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.technicianonline.com | Open hardware and why it is revolutionary - Technician: Columns | Oct 28 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Create custom Linux-based systems regardless of the hardware http://t.co/gEc6kDLcHL #gnu #linux | Oct 28 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> opensource.com | Interview with Jeff Osier-Mixon, community manager of The Yocto Project for Intel | opensource.com | Oct 28 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "GRUB2 Editor, a KDE Control Module for configuring the GRUB2 bootloader, is now at version 0.6.4." http://t.co/1ABomJQt7r #kde | Oct 28 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | GRUB2 Editor 0.6.4 Is the Perfect Tool for Your GRUB Needs | Oct 28 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Special laptop keys with Linux http://t.co/u4Gzx7XGJr #gnu #linux | Oct 28 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> mybroadband.co.za | Special laptop keys with Linux | Oct 28 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Open Source Pundits Sound Off on #Surveillance http://t.co/OvOB2MhVMy #nsa versus freedom and sharing | Oct 28 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> ostatic.com | Open Source Pundits Sound Off on Surveillance | Oct 28 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: AbiWord: The little word processor that could http://t.co/ovGsJdxFdi useful for many simple tasks; fast and easy, unlike Word | Oct 28 11:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.examiner.com | AbiWord: The little word processor that could - Bangor free software | Examiner.com | Oct 28 11:27 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394783892697530368 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394784010645557248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394784320537501696 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394784808393781248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394785554518511616 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394786021193551872 | Oct 28 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 'It was a huge risk': How the end of XP support helped France's gendarmes embrace Ubuntu – fast http://t.co/SNBy6FWm9h #france #gnu | Oct 28 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.zdnet.com | 'It was a huge risk': How the end of XP support helped France's gendarmes embrace Ubuntu – fast | ZDNet | Oct 28 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Red Hat CEO Whitehurst talks about 'Team Jim' http://t.co/pM6QkOBsBZ #redhat #gnu #linux | Oct 28 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.bizjournals.com | Red Hat CEO Whitehurst talks about 'Team Jim' - Triangle Business Journal | Oct 28 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: SteamOS to have NVIDIA developer tools from day one http://t.co/QkjuXx4fqd #nvidia hurts #linux in other ways | Oct 28 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.slashgear.com | SteamOS to have NVIDIA developer tools from day one - SlashGear | Oct 28 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The Linux Setup - Tynan, SETT Developer http://t.co/R9ljCazTpB #gnu #linux #sett | Oct 28 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.mylinuxrig.com | The Linux Setup - Tynan, SETT Developer - My Linux Rig | Oct 28 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Guess who thinks "Google Should Buy Twitter Before The IPO" http://t.co/dUAcJrPrCZ I hope now... #surveillance #gplus | Oct 28 11:29 |
| schestowitz_bed | iophk: not sure yet | Oct 28 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> uncrunched.com | Google Should Buy Twitter Before The IPO | Uncrunched | Oct 28 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: New Annie Machon's RT interview about new #EU data protection measures http://t.co/rqRBu4Oetp and spy oversight http://t.co/Tnm56fc89n | Oct 28 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> anniemachon.ch | RT interview about new EU data protection measures - Using Our Intelligence | Oct 28 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> anniemachon.ch | RT interview on spy oversight - Using Our Intelligence | Oct 28 11:29 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/nn81/status/394787636294221825 | Oct 28 11:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @nn81: @schestowitz Happy to see more people complaining about this. Thanks for the wiki reference, will contribute with a new entry there. | Oct 28 11:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | the wiki got spammed a lot (bots), so if you have something to add, tweet/mail me | Oct 28 11:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220319 | Oct 28 11:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Dark Matter brings survival horror to PC, Mac and Linux http://www.polygon.com/2013/10/18/4851624/dark-matter-brings-survival-horror-to-pc-mac-and-linux #games #gnu #linux | Oct 28 11:51 |
| schestowitz_bed | "This game reminds me the old video game called "Abuse" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse%28videogame%29; http://abuse.zoy.org/wiki/screenshots " | Oct 28 11:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ( status 404 @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse%28videogame%29 ) | Oct 28 11:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | abuse.zoy.org | screenshots – Abuse | Oct 28 11:52 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/24668428 | Oct 28 11:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Ex-NSA chief Hayden's off-record interview reaches Twitter | Oct 28 11:59 |
| schestowitz_bed | \seems like PR | Oct 28 11:59 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394788669997191168 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394790148187373568 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394794231661068288 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394794475182370816 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394795628490141696 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394796114639323136 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394796480420409344 | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Dick Cheney cancels Toronto trip, says Canada is too dangerous http://t.co/82T4stio3I #warcrime #cheney #bush #kissinger | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.nationalpost.com | Dick Cheney cancels Toronto trip, says Canada is too dangerous | National Post | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Monday morning https://t.co/2idItIhOWx | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Ubuntu Linux Gaming Performance Mostly On Par With Windows 8.1 http://t.co/843Ibd2MUE despite GPU makers playing rogue | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Ubuntu Linux Gaming Performance Mostly On Par With Windows 8.1 | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 5 crazy things you never knew you could do on Android http://t.co/qLHiZ6bm9Y #android #linux | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.digitaltrends.com | 5 Crazy Things You Can Hack Your Android to Do (Like Run Mac OS) | Digital Trends | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "United States may have tapped the phone of German Chancellor Angela Merkel" http://t.co/5Q7rUiwa5m | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> uk.reuters.com | Protesters march in Washington against NSA spying | Reuters | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "The latest spy revelations are threatening to derail a multibillion-pound 'trade' deal..." http://t.co/TEt5UjWeup good for us | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.sky.com | NSA Spying: Germany Demands Talks With US | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The #NSA has been creating maps of American citizens' contacts, social networks, etc. http://t.co/G5GELBXUrr #stasi like | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.sky.com | NSA Maps Out Americans' Social Connections | Oct 28 12:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394797340324016129 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394797451372429312 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394798636108107776 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394799376331472896 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394799870915399680 | Oct 28 12:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Brazilian President tweets about new national email, continues anti-NSA rhetoric http://t.co/HUs0nGPmaR no #privacy in password-passing | Oct 28 12:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.wired.co.uk | Brazilian President tweets about new national email, continues anti-NSA rhetoric (Wired UK) | Oct 28 12:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: NSA tactics no better than a CYBERCRIME GANG, says infosec'er http://t.co/0usc0RC6Ji but government-backed one | Oct 28 12:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theregister.co.uk | NSA tactics no better than a CYBERCRIME GANG, says infosec'er • The Register | Oct 28 12:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: California doesn't endorse domestic gitmo for US citizens http://t.co/w7gyFucZlN http://t.co/4h4GiNhWB2 http://t.co/0VIVTIRKfr | Oct 28 12:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> rt.com | California governor signs law defying cooperation with NDAA indefinite detention — RT USA | Oct 28 12:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.antiwar.com | California Governor Signs Ban on NDAA Detentions -- News from Antiwar.com | Oct 28 12:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.huffingtonpost.com | Jerry Brown Signs California Ban On Indefinite Detentions | Oct 28 12:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Activists announce call campaign to repeal NDAA with truckers http://t.co/EyL3R8Pj0y http://t.co/NFpZQoNuMJ #ndaa | Oct 28 12:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.digitaljournal.com | Activists announce call campaign to repeal NDAA with truckers (Includes interview) | Oct 28 12:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.digitaljournal.com | Trucker convoy demands arrest of congressmen who disobeyed oath | Oct 28 12:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Albany Common Council still sane http://t.co/pMhv1qqZxT vs. "indefinite military detention of its citizens without charge or trial" | Oct 28 12:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.dailygazette.com | "Albany Common Council upholds U.S. Constitution!" by Waging Peace | Oct 28 12:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://www.democracynow.org/2013/10/11/headlines | Oct 28 12:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.democracynow.org | Headlines for October 11, 2013 | Democracy Now! [ http://ur1.ca/fy85h ] | Oct 28 12:37 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394801527875174400 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394802886003404800 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394803372576219136 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394803684909281281 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394804664212131841 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394805580021653504 | Oct 28 12:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Children with air rifles: not a good idea http://t.co/XxVNYbNkLl | Oct 28 12:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.policestateusa.com | 13-year-old shot to death by police for open-carrying a toy rifle | Police State USA | Oct 28 12:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: CIA: we don't always support terrorists. When we do, they're 'moderate' http://t.co/IwyNs7deQe http://t.co/593AIGqEb7 | Oct 28 12:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> articles.washingtonpost.com | CIA ramping up covert training program for moderate Syrian rebels - Washington Post | Oct 28 12:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theblaze.com | Report: CIA Ramping Up Covert Training Program for Syrian Rebels | TheBlaze.com | Oct 28 12:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 'Moderates' http://t.co/cxMBBZcCEq Like Osama Bin Laden https://t.co/Cwi5DesRFK | Oct 28 12:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.mcclatchydc.com | Top U.S. intelligence officials confirm al Qaida role in Syria | World | McClatchy DC | Oct 28 12:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> en.wikipedia.org | Mujahideen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Oct 28 12:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: CIA Supplying Weapons To Syrian Rebel Groups Legally Classified As Terrorists By The U.S. http://t.co/nqVoQat7rz #cia | Oct 28 12:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.opposingviews.com | CIA Supplying Weapons To Syrian Rebel Groups Legally Classified As Terrorists By The U.S. | Oct 28 12:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "CIA Director David Petraeus laid out a plan to secretly arm and train groups of Syrian rebels in Jordan." http://t.co/6P18jRPUY1 #us #coup | Oct 28 12:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> nymag.com | Report Details Obama’s Foot-Dragging on Syria -- Daily Intelligencer | Oct 28 12:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: While #billgates et al. promote 'micro' lending we realise that it's not what PR claims it to be http://t.co/XDYsQLzACu | Oct 28 12:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - The Bangladesh poor selling organs to pay debts | Oct 28 12:43 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/Erkan_Yilmaz/status/394819670902968320 | Oct 28 13:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Erkan_Yilmaz: @schestowitz #identi.ca's 5-year historical dents (only 23k users though) are supposed to land on @internetarchive,ask @evanpro when exactly | Oct 28 13:36 |
| schestowitz_bed | That would be a good thing. Since Evan does not respond to my mails, I'd wait till he contacts me. | Oct 28 13:37 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/Erkan_Yilmaz/status/394820189994233856 | Oct 28 13:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Erkan_Yilmaz: @schestowitz probably it's more than those 23k (the 23k are the users being migrated to #pump.io) cc @internetarchive @evanpro | Oct 28 13:39 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220266 | Oct 28 13:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ubuntu almost a decade old http://news.softpedia.com/news/Happy-Birthday-Ubuntu-4-10-Warty-Warthog-392826.shtml another LTS in the making http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/10/ubuntu-14-04-lts-opens-development | Oct 28 13:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | Happy Birthday, Ubuntu 4.10 Warty Warthog [ http://ur1.ca/fy8du ] | Oct 28 13:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Opens For Development | OMG! Ubuntu! [ http://ur1.ca/fy8dv ] | Oct 28 13:42 |
| schestowitz_bed | "When Canonical gets to Zippy Zebra, they'll run out of alphabet!" | Oct 28 13:43 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220198 | Oct 28 13:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Oil in Antarctica https://diasp.org/uploads/images/scaled_full_3d6aaa992a4c94ab87d6.jpg | Oct 28 13:43 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Soon to be uncovered by global warming." | Oct 28 13:43 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz_bed: any idea how to remaster Mageia? no? | Oct 28 13:48 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz_bed: seems all the programs are old and outdated and comlacted too use and suc | Oct 28 13:49 |
| MinceR | http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3793/10320757155_dc5036e129_b.jpg | Oct 28 14:05 |
| MinceR | > Their indefinite mission: to explore strange new worlds of surveillance, to seek out and monitor all data and all communications, | Oct 28 14:05 |
| MinceR | to boldly go where no police state has gone before | Oct 28 14:05 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220395 | Oct 28 14:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Dick Cheney cancels Toronto trip, says Canada is too dangerous http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03/12/dick-cheney-cancels-toronto-trip-says-canada-is-too-dangerous/ #warcrime #cheney #bush #kissinger | Oct 28 14:10 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Why should he fear arrest?" | Oct 28 14:11 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394820308970262528 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394823540492750848 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394824306167136256 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394824654298562560 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394825555306369024 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394825699103866880 | Oct 28 14:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Internet Archive Will Shield Visitors http://t.co/WG69ASHBUe #internet #privacy | Oct 28 14:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Couldn't resolve host 'http:' ( status 0 @ http:////www-nc.nytimes.com/2013/10/24/internet-archive-will-shield-visitors/?=smid=tw-share&_r=6& ) | Oct 28 14:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Of all people, the folks at Google should be aware of the fact that this policy should be opt-in and not opt-out." http://t.co/AeOzt0XpyU | Oct 28 14:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> fossforce.com | SecureDrop's Free Install, Oracle Spreads FUD & More… - FOSS Force | Oct 28 14:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The phrase "find us on Facebook" become widely used. And then people gave away their geo-location+photos+facerec. Find us indeed.. #privacy | Oct 28 14:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Facebook: when #CCTV was crowdsourced and became "cool", especially among kinds, who also became informants on grandparents in their homes | Oct 28 14:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: GCC 4.9 Will Make Compilers More Exciting In 2014 http://t.co/0DNzDTS08r #gnu #gcc #freedom #assurance #fsf | Oct 28 14:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] GCC 4.9 Will Make Compilers More Exciting In 2014 | Oct 28 14:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Features Coming For The LLVM 3.4 Compiler Stack http://t.co/7v4oYyofl6 imagine a world without free compilers... #privacy #trust | Oct 28 14:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Features Coming For The LLVM 3.4 Compiler Stack | Oct 28 14:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394826329067376640 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394826789513859072 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394827208864579584 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394828102972739585 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394828145758855168 | Oct 28 14:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Mark #Shuttleworth first calls those who disgagree "trolls", now "Open Source Tea Party". http://t.co/sS1os1fX9x #sign #ubuntu | Oct 28 14:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> fossforce.com | PHP Attacked, the Shuttleworth Tea Party & More… - FOSS Force | Oct 28 14:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: I don't think that Mark #Shuttleworth even realised what a tactless comment he had decided to make. Does he proofread before posting? | Oct 28 14:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1." https://t.co/339O2LIVFS | Oct 28 14:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> en.wikipedia.org | Godwin's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Oct 28 14:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: I can recall days in 2009 when it became popular among faux FOSS people (pro-Mono, pro-proprietary) to label FSF types "Open Source Taliban" | Oct 28 14:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Qt embedded GUI supports Android and Linux http://t.co/EQjnKn0aeY #android #linux | Oct 28 14:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> linuxgizmos.com | Qt embedded GUI supports Android and Linux · LinuxGizmos.com | Oct 28 14:15 |
| iophk | He's scared of the F-word. It wasn't always so. His letter to Suse/Novell was back in his good days. | Oct 28 14:17 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I58_kVty_k | Oct 28 14:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Chinese Cup Balance - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fy8kt ] | Oct 28 14:22 |
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| iophk | A nice rebuttal to Wallen over at Ars by Pogson | Oct 28 15:09 |
| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/10/28/the-success-of-gnulinux/ | Oct 28 15:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | The success of GNU/Linux | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/fy8py ] | Oct 28 15:09 |
| iophk | old - http://www.ajr.org/article.asp?id=3612 | Oct 28 15:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.ajr.org | And That's the Way It Is | American Journalism Review | Oct 28 15:11 |
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| iophk | "an inexpensive way to "give a semblance of public responsibility without bothering with the vast expense of original newsgathering." " | Oct 28 15:12 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: remaster thing uh | Oct 28 15:13 |
| iophk | any response at the forums? | Oct 28 15:13 |
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| sebsebseb | iophk: no not taken to the forums replied to the list to the messages I got | Oct 28 15:14 |
| sebsebseb | so more response there | Oct 28 15:14 |
| sebsebseb | been working on a repy to QA woman taking me longer than it shoud | Oct 28 15:14 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: also I think a onine friend of mine brings up a ogod point | Oct 28 15:14 |
| sebsebseb | with seucirty updats etc | Oct 28 15:14 |
| sebsebseb | coud do a lot of changs | Oct 28 15:14 |
| iophk | are they getting you hooked up with the tools used to make the official CDs? | Oct 28 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: peope wil blame the distro if it doesn't work | Oct 28 15:15 |
| iophk | Yes, very much so. | Oct 28 15:15 |
| iophk | That's another reason to stay with the stock disc images. | Oct 28 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | if the remaster doesnt' work right | Oct 28 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | they blame the distro | Oct 28 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | and t won't go through the QA poccess etc | Oct 28 15:15 |
| iophk | The distro images get tested thoroughly before release. | Oct 28 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | won't go thrugh a proper testing proccess | Oct 28 15:15 |
| iophk | Yes QA | Oct 28 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | yep indeed | Oct 28 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I need to get myself out of this one I think | Oct 28 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | for Mageia anyway | Oct 28 15:16 |
| iophk | Can you salvage the event? | Oct 28 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | if they have remasters for Ubuntu, Mint, and Open Suse still well whatever | Oct 28 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | I do | Oct 28 15:16 |
| iophk | Or must you just walk away. | Oct 28 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | what do you mean salvage? | Oct 28 15:16 |
| iophk | Repair | Oct 28 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | sounds like I got a ultimatum on Saturday either I make a remater | Oct 28 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | or Mageia may not be one of the dstros | Oct 28 15:16 |
| iophk | Remasters are a lot of trouble and can go wrong. | Oct 28 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | thing is that guy oesn't really understnad about remasters | Oct 28 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | he hasnn't made himself he doens't know how | Oct 28 15:17 |
| iophk | As per our earlier discussion, there should not be that many distros. | Oct 28 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | he had those other two saying how great they were | Oct 28 15:17 |
| iophk | It confuses people, at least it does for newbies. | Oct 28 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't care aout the others | Oct 28 15:17 |
| iophk | The choice should come down to which DE they want. | Oct 28 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | I am doing Mageia | Oct 28 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | if they have rematers for Ubuntu/Mint or both maybe | Oct 28 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | and Open Suse hwatever | Oct 28 15:17 |
| iophk | Then go ahead. They can't make you waste time on remasters | Oct 28 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | I tink I shod forward emails I recived and ent | Oct 28 15:18 |
| sebsebseb | to do with this | Oct 28 15:18 |
| iophk | However by adding remasters, they are adding complexity and not presenting the official image. | Oct 28 15:18 |
| sebsebseb | and do a emai about why I won't have for Mageia | Oct 28 15:18 |
| iophk | Also by presenting so many distros, they are muddying the waters. | Oct 28 15:18 |
| iophk | The choice should be for the DE | Oct 28 15:18 |
| sebsebseb | yeah and I am meant to be an offical contributer of this distro | Oct 28 15:18 |
| sebsebseb | even more so a reason to use an offical image then I guess really | Oct 28 15:18 |
| iophk | yes all the more reason to stay with the official image. | Oct 28 15:19 |
| sebsebseb | and I think the QA woman knd of recommended again | Oct 28 15:19 |
| sebsebseb | ok the guy who makes live cd's might make something if I ask | Oct 28 15:19 |
| sebsebseb | ,but it won't have gone through the qa proccess | Oct 28 15:19 |
| iophk | QA is important. | Oct 28 15:19 |
| sebsebseb | they don't understand that | Oct 28 15:19 |
| iophk | All kinds of stupid things come in by accident otherwise. | Oct 28 15:19 |
| sebsebseb | they just seem to thik can pre install some updates and apps | Oct 28 15:19 |
| iophk | Really they can be trouble. | Oct 28 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | and ten if it boots up | Oct 28 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | it works | Oct 28 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | ,but reallly other bugs couod happen etc | Oct 28 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | that aren't in the offical media | Oct 28 15:20 |
| iophk | Having the visitors install one of their own apps is good practice, as I wrote before. | Oct 28 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Oct 28 15:20 |
| iophk | It helps build experience and confidence in their new system. | Oct 28 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I guess I got to do emails saying why no I won't remaster Mahiea, beuase... | Oct 28 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | proper emails | Oct 28 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | a proper against rematering Magiea thing | Oct 28 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | and take things from there | Oct 28 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | ,but make it clear that if they want to re master hte other ones stil whatever I don't care | Oct 28 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | I ma doing Mageia | Oct 28 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: if I get some crap about not having Mageia | Oct 28 15:21 |
| iophk | Yes but they can make the event look bad by adding a lot of fail. | Oct 28 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | I guess I can just say somethin like | Oct 28 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | what do you really want me to leave the organsing group? | Oct 28 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | do ou want to lose another volunteer? | Oct 28 15:21 |
| iophk | careful with ultimatums | Oct 28 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well I got one | Oct 28 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | on Saturday | Oct 28 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Oct 28 15:21 |
| iophk | there might be one or two that are trying to drive out people | Oct 28 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | I either make a remaster in a few weeks | Oct 28 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | or | Oct 28 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia may not be the distro | Oct 28 15:22 |
| iophk | who gave that ultimatum | Oct 28 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | the event coordinater | Oct 28 15:22 |
| iophk | and why the fixation on remaster? | Oct 28 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | who also doens't know how to make re masters by the way | Oct 28 15:22 |
| iophk | I'd shoot down that requirement | Oct 28 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | ,but got peruaded to have them, by this guy who makes for Open Suse | Oct 28 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | and another who has done MINT | Oct 28 15:22 |
| iophk | and go with the official image | Oct 28 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | another guy who joined us propery later | Oct 28 15:23 |
| sebsebseb | thought remaster was nt neeed | Oct 28 15:23 |
| sebsebseb | local repos way too go | Oct 28 15:23 |
| sebsebseb | ,but he made a remater for Ubuntu yesterday | Oct 28 15:23 |
| sebsebseb | also th event co ordiner was like to the local reop's idea, it's all singing and danceing | Oct 28 15:23 |
| sebsebseb | he didn't understand that iether | Oct 28 15:23 |
| sebsebseb | he didn't unerstand why I was suggesting it | Oct 28 15:23 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think I need to realy say no to the remaster for this one | Oct 28 15:24 |
| iophk | If the coordinator lacks the technical knowledge to make the decisions you'll have to bolster your case with data in a way he can understand. | Oct 28 15:24 |
| sebsebseb | push the local repo' idea again etc | Oct 28 15:24 |
| iophk | yes | Oct 28 15:24 |
| iophk | local repo. | Oct 28 15:24 |
| iophk | do you still have the notes from that chat? | Oct 28 15:25 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: bingo he seems to lack certain technial knowledge | Oct 28 15:25 |
| sebsebseb | notes from whichchat? | Oct 28 15:25 |
| iophk | The chat where we talked about which distro to use and the DEs involved. | Oct 28 15:25 |
| sebsebseb | oh our chat? | Oct 28 15:25 |
| iophk | Mageia for 2 DEs and Ubuntu for Unity | Oct 28 15:25 |
| sebsebseb | didn't ealy make nots for that, but will be in log | Oct 28 15:26 |
| sebsebseb | they won't have it like that | Oct 28 15:26 |
| sebsebseb | I think this Open Suse ugy really wants Suse | Oct 28 15:26 |
| iophk | Suse is M$ | Oct 28 15:26 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: may be worth tring to split from the group if really nessarey | Oct 28 15:26 |
| sebsebseb | go with this guy who wanted local repo's as well relaly | Oct 28 15:26 |
| sebsebseb | try and get some of our own vounteers some how | Oct 28 15:26 |
| sebsebseb | or something | Oct 28 15:26 |
| iophk | Maybe organize a separate installfest with other people. | Oct 28 15:26 |
| sebsebseb | yep that's what I am thinking | Oct 28 15:26 |
| sebsebseb | if really nessarey | Oct 28 15:27 |
| iophk | It's better to have people on the same page. | Oct 28 15:27 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe even contact the guy who left us for some reason before | Oct 28 15:27 |
| sebsebseb | find out what really happended there | Oct 28 15:27 |
| iophk | Yes find out. | Oct 28 15:27 |
| sebsebseb | he was getting the emails | Oct 28 15:27 |
| sebsebseb | and was going to come to meeting, but didn't | Oct 28 15:27 |
| sebsebseb | and then he sotped geting the emais | Oct 28 15:27 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah this event co ordineate doens't understan some of this technical stuff enough, so he has one with re masters | Oct 28 15:28 |
| sebsebseb | since another two were saying re masters | Oct 28 15:28 |
| sebsebseb | then this guy who properly joind us later, is like loal repo's | Oct 28 15:28 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yep mght have too split if can't do things my wya | Oct 28 15:29 |
| sebsebseb | way | Oct 28 15:29 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I am baialy being ecommended against the remaster | Oct 28 15:29 |
| sebsebseb | by this QA woman etc | Oct 28 15:29 |
| iophk | her expertise should be acknowledged by the coordinator and used as part of the argument. | Oct 28 15:30 |
| iophk | QA is a lot of work. | Oct 28 15:30 |
| iophk | If you all as a group were doing a single remaster of a single distro, then it might be OK, but again there are better arguments for staying wit hthe official images. | Oct 28 15:30 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah I will show htem the emails etc | Oct 28 15:31 |
| sebsebseb | ,but she's very knowledagable | Oct 28 15:31 |
| iophk | and experienced | Oct 28 15:31 |
| sebsebseb | when it comes to testing, and I am basically being recommended againt re mastering | Oct 28 15:31 |
| sebsebseb | maybe she doesn't say it so directly, but she pretyt muchhas, on IRC, and then in that email | Oct 28 15:31 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I mean what does this email mean to you, when you see only her message and not what I put | Oct 28 15:32 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 28 15:32 | |
| sebsebseb | As long as there is somebody there to support it (ie. you) then who's | Oct 28 15:32 |
| sebsebseb | business is it what distros are available? | Oct 28 15:32 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 28 15:33 | |
| sebsebseb | You were previously going to take the Release and Updates repositories | Oct 28 15:33 |
| sebsebseb | on a usb hdd and install that way. | Oct 28 15:33 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 28 15:33 | |
| sebsebseb | Maybe Thomas (tmb) would be able to build some livedvd's for you if you | Oct 28 15:33 |
| sebsebseb | asked him, but bear in mind that they won't have been properly tested as | Oct 28 15:33 |
| sebsebseb | ISOs (but would probably be alright). | Oct 28 15:33 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 28 15:33 | |
| sebsebseb | okk that's it | Oct 28 15:33 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: what does that mesagemean to you? | Oct 28 15:34 |
| iophk | You could get data about how many bugs they have to squash each time they make a new official ISO | Oct 28 15:34 |
| sebsebseb | oh for the normal ones? | Oct 28 15:35 |
| sebsebseb | yeah a few roundsof internal QA testing | Oct 28 15:35 |
| sebsebseb | and then the mile tone | Oct 28 15:35 |
| sebsebseb | etc | Oct 28 15:35 |
| iophk | yes the normal ones have lots of bugs and lots of rounds of internal QA to get one out the doro | Oct 28 15:35 |
| iophk | door | Oct 28 15:35 |
| sebsebseb | yep that's true | Oct 28 15:35 |
| iophk | "won't have been properly tested" is a big deal, but novices might not see it that way | Oct 28 15:35 |
| sebsebseb | and the remater may introduce bugs as I put earlier | Oct 28 15:35 |
| iophk | How big is the QA team? | Oct 28 15:35 |
| iophk | It's more than 4 people | Oct 28 15:35 |
| sebsebseb | yep more than 4 | Oct 28 15:35 |
| iophk | So the committee is not even large enough to be a QA team | Oct 28 15:36 |
| iophk | for one distro | Oct 28 15:36 |
| iophk | not to mention 3 or 4 | Oct 28 15:36 |
| sebsebseb | huh? | Oct 28 15:36 |
| sebsebseb | the event committe ? | Oct 28 15:36 |
| iophk | yes | Oct 28 15:36 |
| sebsebseb | yeah ony ike five of us | Oct 28 15:36 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah maybe we should split | Oct 28 15:37 |
| iophk | Remasters are only a liability | Oct 28 15:37 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia and Ubuntu | Oct 28 15:37 |
| iophk | yes those two | Oct 28 15:37 |
| sebsebseb | let them bugger around with Mint and Open Suse for there one | Oct 28 15:37 |
| sebsebseb | I don't want those distros really | Oct 28 15:37 |
| iophk | KDE and XFCE on mageia and Unity on Ubuntu | Oct 28 15:37 |
| iophk | besides, in some ways having two installfests might reach more people | Oct 28 15:37 |
| sebsebseb | KDE, and GNOME, and whatever else on Mageia | Oct 28 15:37 |
| iophk | yes, like that | Oct 28 15:37 |
| sebsebseb | Unity for Ubuntu | Oct 28 15:38 |
| iophk | leave the hard choice to be the DE | Oct 28 15:38 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Oct 28 15:38 |
| iophk | beginners won't know or care about the distro, just the UI they see | Oct 28 15:38 |
| sebsebseb | and can set it up with local repo's like that guy wanted | Oct 28 15:38 |
| sebsebseb | that joined us | Oct 28 15:38 |
| iophk | yes bring him in | Oct 28 15:38 |
| sebsebseb | he's sort of my firned I would sya | Oct 28 15:38 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: might beable to get some people down to help from narish LUG's | Oct 28 15:39 |
| sebsebseb | or somethin as well | Oct 28 15:39 |
| sebsebseb | if I contact | Oct 28 15:39 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think like a fork | Oct 28 15:39 |
| sebsebseb | should be done as th last resort | Oct 28 15:39 |
| iophk | yes lay out a plan first on real paper, not details, but an outline | Oct 28 15:39 |
| sebsebseb | a split | Oct 28 15:39 |
| sebsebseb | ,but if cant have things my way may have to split | Oct 28 15:39 |
| iophk | yes | Oct 28 15:39 |
| iophk | but have real paper ready with a real outline | Oct 28 15:39 |
| sebsebseb | a real outline of what? | Oct 28 15:39 |
| iophk | of your plans | Oct 28 15:40 |
| sebsebseb | too split ? or?? | Oct 28 15:40 |
| iophk | no | Oct 28 15:40 |
| iophk | just for how to run it | Oct 28 15:40 |
| iophk | no remasters, mageia x2 + ubuntu x1, local repo, etc | Oct 28 15:40 |
| sebsebseb | oh like we discussed for this one | Oct 28 15:40 |
| iophk | yes | Oct 28 15:40 |
| sebsebseb | as for the venue uhmm | Oct 28 15:40 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Oct 28 15:41 |
| sebsebseb | they got one in the centre for free | Oct 28 15:41 |
| iophk | sadly most people can't visualize from a verbal description | Oct 28 15:41 |
| sebsebseb | ,but not sure if I coul as well | Oct 28 15:41 |
| sebsebseb | if going to split that is | Oct 28 15:41 |
| iophk | that may be a drawback | Oct 28 15:41 |
| sebsebseb | ,but thre's the other venue that is also bigger | Oct 28 15:41 |
| sebsebseb | that is cheap | Oct 28 15:41 |
| sebsebseb | b | Oct 28 15:41 |
| sebsebseb | ,but not as central | Oct 28 15:41 |
| iophk | most people can't visualize from a verbal description but do fine when presented with the same ideas on paper | Oct 28 15:41 |
| sebsebseb | or I pay the £300 and get a venue | Oct 28 15:42 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Oct 28 15:42 |
| iophk | as long as the parking is good, you're ok | Oct 28 15:42 |
| iophk | you want people to be able to bring machines | Oct 28 15:42 |
| sebsebseb | with venu that going for the parking ins't goo at all realy | Oct 28 15:42 |
| sebsebseb | could bring lap tops though | Oct 28 15:42 |
| iophk | if it is to be more than a showcase | Oct 28 15:42 |
| sebsebseb | yep I think might hae to split | Oct 28 15:42 |
| sebsebseb | or try too orsomething | Oct 28 15:42 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: re master isn't the way too go for Mageia | Oct 28 15:43 |
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| sebsebseb | for Mint and Open Suse and Ubuntu it may be ok | Oct 28 15:43 |
| sebsebseb | ,but this distro no oesn't seem like it | Oct 28 15:43 |
| iophk | not really the same complexity issues are there for remastering regardless of distro | Oct 28 15:43 |
| iophk | brb | Oct 28 15:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: the same complexity issues ? | Oct 28 15:43 |
| iophk | ok | Oct 28 16:02 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/evanpro/status/394854625662091264 | Oct 28 16:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @evanpro: @schestowitz I'm pretty sure I have responded to your email. If not, please resend. | Oct 28 16:05 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/evanpro/status/394854736534335488 | Oct 28 16:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @evanpro: @Erkan_Yilmaz @schestowitz @internetarchive also, it's all users. | Oct 28 16:05 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | O'Neill: "Sorry, I was late. I was just finishing up a lovely brunch." | Oct 28 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | Ba'al: "Impudence!" | Oct 28 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | O'Neill: "No. Tuna." | Oct 28 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | O'Neill (to Ba'al): "I've got a better idea. Why don't we just sit back and watch you get your ass kicked. That way, you'll be dead, and we'll be glad!" | Oct 28 18:37 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 28 18:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | I'm standing by my interpretation of what he said about editorial pressure. Bruce had a chance to answer but chose to dismiss me by insult instead. My point here, like it was in your thread, is that the pressure is part of the job and it's symptomatic of the established tech press. It does not matter if he admits to caving or not. His job is inherently unbalanced if his boss wants him to write "outlandish" stories about free | Oct 28 18:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | software. If he does not deliver, he won't have a job. | Oct 28 18:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | You wanted to have a conversation about Byfield, +Aaron Seigo, and posted a real flamer of article of his. I gave you my honest opinion of that article, based in part on painful personal experience with him from years ago. People asked me to explain myself, so I did. If you say I was wasting my time, I was. | Oct 28 18:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 28 18:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | I'm standing by my interpretation of what he said about editorial pressure. Bruce had a chance to answer but chose to dismiss me by insult instead. My point here, like it was in your thread, is that the pressure is part of the job and it's symptomatic of the established tech press. It does not matter if he admits to caving or not. His job is inherently unbalanced if his boss wants him to write "outlandish" stories about free | Oct 28 18:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | software. If he does not deliver, he won't have a job. | Oct 28 18:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | You wanted to have a conversation about Byfield, +Aaron Seigo, and posted a real flamer of article of his. I gave you my honest opinion of that article, based in part on painful personal experience with him from years ago. People asked me to explain myself, so I did. If you say I was wasting my time, I was. | Oct 28 18:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://plus.google.com/113579520393333767984/posts/51fXskTmN6S | Oct 28 18:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | plus.google.com | Will Hill - Google+ - A Quick Defense of Myself and Techrights A week ago, Glen… [ http://ur1.ca/fxykm ] | Oct 28 18:39 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Well, I think I'm going to accept one of the two $1000 bids received, unless anyone else wants to bid..." | Oct 28 18:45 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/61601 | Oct 28 18:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tuxmachines.org | fair warning - going once.... | tuxmachines.org | Oct 28 18:45 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | Trapped in 1969: | Oct 28 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | SERGENT: Vi sovietski spioni? | Oct 28 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | Daniel: Nyet! | Oct 28 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | O'Neill: Daniel! | Oct 28 18:46 |
| schestowitz_bed | "This year has been great for me in so many ways. I guess I can tell yaw. My second ex-husband started coming around again regularly last Spring and we've ended up back together. I can't believe it, but I'm in love with him again (still). I'm moving back in with him in the next few weeks and we're getting re-married this coming Spring. But I've had some lingering symptoms from my illnesses and I'm tired a lot. " | Oct 28 18:46 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 28 18:47 |
| schestowitz_bed | I can't really self-host my own site out in the boonies where {significant other} lives and I've never been able to hand over control to a hosting company. I have a lot of work to do get moved and the new house all purty and stuff. I still need / want to work for ostatic.com and it's a lot of work being someone's wife (as I recall). | Oct 28 18:47 |
| schestowitz_bed | So, anywho, if I don't get any more bids today, I'll let it go for $1000. | Oct 28 18:47 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 28 18:47 |
| iophk | oh | Oct 28 18:48 |
| iophk | I thought the answer would be today. | Oct 28 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | about a minute ago · Edited | Oct 28 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | O'Neill: "Have you heard of her?" | Oct 28 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | Daniel: "Hathor was the Egyptian goddess of fertility, inebriety, and music." | Oct 28 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | O'Neill: "Sex, drugs, and rock and roll?" | Oct 28 18:56 |
| DaemonFC | Daniel: "In a manner of speaking." | Oct 28 18:56 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394830685531570177 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394831578972839936 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394839206750871552 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394841708971950080 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394843153037271040 | Oct 28 19:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Police checkpoint in #Sacramento http://t.co/cCioKoec60 Photo from AP went viral | Oct 28 19:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Stars of Beijing's Circus - Bowls Unicycle act - The world greatest Cabaret http://t.co/srgDwXp5gz disturbingly difficult | Oct 28 19:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | Stars of Beijing's Circus - Bowls Unicycle act - The world greatest Cabaret - YouTube | Oct 28 19:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: GNOME Desktop 3.10 Continues to Bring Great GTK-based Applications to All GNU/Linux Users http://t.co/bRIl0vZSnl #gnome #gnu #kde | Oct 28 19:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | GNOME Desktop 3.10 Continues to Bring Great GTK-based Applications to All GNU/Linux Users | Techrights | Oct 28 19:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: K Desktop Environment/KDE Software Compilation Attracts Funding, New Patrons http://t.co/aYcKmKYnd7 #kde #gnu #linux | Oct 28 19:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | K Desktop Environment/KDE Software Compilation Attracts Funding, New Patrons | Techrights | Oct 28 19:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Late October Links/News About Canonical, Ubuntu, and Derivatives http://t.co/ogMlsdSbQd #ubuntu #canonical #gnu #linux | Oct 28 19:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Late October Links/News About Canonical, Ubuntu, and Derivatives | Techrights | Oct 28 19:04 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394857200327602176 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394849673091235841 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394863944374169600 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394874902651895808 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394883262990282752 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394901866158768128 | Oct 28 19:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: War Machines http://t.co/Wiq5kjjcwQ tying together some recent news about the #cia | Oct 28 19:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | War Machines | Techrights | Oct 28 19:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Black Tuesday 2013 is Tomorrow (Wall Street, New York) http://t.co/zHurs4hrKS #ows #finance | Oct 28 19:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Black Tuesday 2013 is Tomorrow (Wall Street, New York) | Techrights | Oct 28 19:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Internet Censor #Google Claims to be Fighting Internet #Censorship http://t.co/ONOEnLCe26 | Oct 28 19:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Internet Censor Google Claims to be Fighting Internet Censorship | Techrights | Oct 28 19:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The NSA Causes an Atlantic Blunder http://t.co/r6qziQoqGt #nsa #privacy #eu #europe | Oct 28 19:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | The NSA Causes an Atlantic Blunder | Techrights | Oct 28 19:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Political Dissent is ‘Terrorism’ Now http://t.co/nbc5FU7Oto #politics | Oct 28 19:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Political Dissent is ‘Terrorism’ Now | Techrights | Oct 28 19:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Just spent 10 minutes transmitting site password via multiple emails, many letters encoded using clues (names of relatives). Thanks, NSA. | Oct 28 19:05 |
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| schestowitz_bed | mailed to evan@status.net again. I want to self-host this data one way or another. :-) | Oct 28 19:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | identica | Oct 28 19:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | much of the community moved to d* | Oct 28 19:14 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220555 | Oct 28 19:14 |
| schestowitz_bed | "ajajaj me cagué de la risa XD" | Oct 28 19:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared:  | Oct 28 19:14 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220187 | Oct 28 19:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Defense One" (pro-war) is trying to say that #drones that lack human intervention/judgment are more 'secure' http://qz.com/133321/the-most-secure-drones-will-be-able-to-kill-without-human-controllers/ | Oct 28 19:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> qz.com | The most secure drones will be able to kill without human controllers – Quartz [ http://ur1.ca/fy8e6 ] | Oct 28 19:14 |
| iophk | When was the official closing of identica? | Oct 28 19:14 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Yup. Otherwise, it's pretty much a robot apocalypse." | Oct 28 19:14 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220578 | Oct 28 19:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: U.S. arming Syrian rebels, but refugees aiding them considered terrorists http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/US_arming_Syrian_rebels_but_refugees_aiding_them_considered_terrorists.html this is the logic used in Latin America, too | Oct 28 19:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.philly.com | U.S. arming Syrian rebels, but refugees aiding them considered terrorists [ http://ur1.ca/fy8el ] | Oct 28 19:14 |
| schestowitz_bed | "so now NATO can attack the congress because they can be building atomic bombs?" | Oct 28 19:14 |
| schestowitz_bed | ohama: migration to pump.io, which many people never bothered with | Oct 28 19:15 |
| schestowitz_bed | iophk: ^ | Oct 28 19:15 |
| iophk | so have most moved to diaspora then? Or just given up on microblogging as a fad. | Oct 28 19:15 |
| schestowitz_bed | fad part | Oct 28 19:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | many moved to Google Plus | Oct 28 19:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | No length limittaions | Oct 28 19:17 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220521 | Oct 28 19:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Brazilian President tweets about new national email, continues anti-NSA rhetoric http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-10/14/brazil-email-nsa no #privacy in password-passing | Oct 28 19:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.wired.co.uk | Brazilian President tweets about new national email, continues anti-NSA rhetoric (Wired UK) [ http://ur1.ca/fw0ls ] | Oct 28 19:17 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Also, though the NSA is the most powerful and capable privacy offender, the U.S. is hardly the only country to engage in this activity. France has been notorious for spying on allies for many years and almost all countries do this to some degree or another. I would be shocked if the Brazilian president was truly surprised at these revelations." | Oct 28 19:17 |
| schestowitz_bed | "The development of their own e-mail is good, but I bet you they are still using Windows and other closed-source softwares on their machines, and those mean huge and already known backdoors." | Oct 28 19:17 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Dilma Rousseff might not be as surprised as her resent offensive against the U.S. might suggest, Azrael. But in politics you have to use the opportune moments. Nobody would have taken her serious before the Snowden revelations. And all South, and Latin American countries have more than good reason to hate the US intelligence organisations. The USA has, through CIA, been king-makers to some of the worst military dictators in the | Oct 28 19:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | world, many of them educated on The Schools of Americas in Georgia, they have murdered, manipulated and generally treated The southern part of the continent as their private slave labour colonies. If Rousseff is mad she has good reason." | Oct 28 19:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | Brazil is not one of their big victims. Brazil has some countries in Europe to hate more... | Oct 28 19:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220889 | Oct 28 19:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Stars of Beijing's Circus - Bowls Unicycle act - The world greatest Cabaret http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeYElDkpDSQ disturbingly difficult | Oct 28 19:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | Stars of Beijing's Circus - Bowls Unicycle act - The world greatest Cabaret - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fy9ms ] | Oct 28 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | "how can I share YoutTube Videos on Diaspora ? Anyone willing to help ?" | Oct 28 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | "I think pasting the url in the field will simply do :)" | Oct 28 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | "naw no here it doesn't do the trick :(" | Oct 28 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | URL? | Oct 28 19:21 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220269 | Oct 28 19:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: US Navy’s most advanced warship is powered by Linux and Intel | Oct 28 19:22 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Leaving Windows? The DoD (and it's various contractors) have been using things like Sun OS, Linux, VMS, etc. for many years. Yes, they use Windows too but I doubt for many (if any) mission critical applications." | Oct 28 19:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.geek.com | US Navy’s most advanced warship is powered by Linux and Intel | Chips | Geek.com [ http://ur1.ca/fy9n3 ] | Oct 28 19:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | The US Navy Moves to GNU/Linux | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fy9n4 ] | Oct 28 19:22 |
| iophk | old -http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/1998/07/13987 | Oct 28 19:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | Sunk by Windows NT [ http://ur1.ca/fy9n7 ] | Oct 28 19:22 |
| iophk | old - http://fcw.com/articles/2008/03/06/navy-to-focus-only-on-open-systems.aspx | Oct 28 19:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fcw.com | Navy to focus only on open systems -- FCW [ http://ur1.ca/fy9n8 ] | Oct 28 19:23 |
| iophk | “The days of proprietary technology must come to an end,” he said. “We will no longer accept systems that couple hardware, software and data.” | Oct 28 19:23 |
| iophk | Easier said than done with the big lobbying budget Bill has. | Oct 28 19:23 |
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| schestowitz_bed | "We should stop going around babbling about how we're the greatest #democracy on earth, when we're not even a democracy. We are a sort of militarised republic. The founding fathers hated two things, one was monarchy and the other was democracy, they gave us a constitution that saw to it we will have neither. I don't know how wise they were." -- #GoreVidal | Oct 28 19:40 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/08/31/snowden-reveals-first-ever-public-disclosure-of-secret-black-budget-programs/ | Oct 28 19:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.collective-evolution.com | Snowden Reveals First Ever Public Disclosure Of Secret Black Budget Programs | Collective-Evolution [ http://ur1.ca/fy9q8 ] | Oct 28 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | a few seconds ago | Oct 28 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | The possibility of installing trojans on Android, while remote, and something only a moron would do, is the price of the freedom to install anything you want on the computer you own. | Oct 28 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | Apple devices don't have many trojans, but that comes at too high a cost. They will only run software that Apple approves of. With that in mind, you never actually own your iThing, because all software has to be whitelisted by the company that produced the OS. | Oct 28 19:54 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AidBugvVqpw | Oct 28 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | So, iPads are like this kiosk for Apple-approved software. Most of the programs are outdated because the approval process takes many months. That's if you can find the application you want to run in the first place. Apple won't allow any copyleft software into their store, so you won't find VLC. They won't let software that competes with Apple software in their store, so there's no Firefox. | Oct 28 19:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | "Bernanke Threatens The Congress" We will cause an Economic Collapse if you audit the Fed! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fy9qx ] | Oct 28 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | I'll use an Apple product on the day that Satan is ice skating to work. I will use something from Apple over my rotting corpse. | Oct 28 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | If anyone was wondering what I think of Apple, that should be a good disambiguation. | Oct 28 19:54 |
| JimmyCarter | unfortunately macbook air best laptop on market | Oct 28 19:55 |
| JimmyCarter | otoh you only need good laptop for dev (thats my excuse) | Oct 28 19:56 |
| JimmyCarter | what do you use. chromebook? | Oct 28 19:56 |
| JimmyCarter | linux on thinkpad? | Oct 28 19:57 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394907669271941120 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394908655721910273 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394910982260412416 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394913908332711936 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394915318516432896 | Oct 28 20:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Expression https://t.co/l80kPW38tR | Oct 28 20:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: David Cameron makes veiled threat to media over NSA and GCHQ leaks http://t.co/pDuTWTzecy #nsa #gchq #uk | Oct 28 20:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | David Cameron makes veiled threat to media over NSA and GCHQ leaks | World news | theguardian.com | Oct 28 20:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Britain's Cameron says may act against newspapers over spy leaks http://t.co/jTaIDwrR7l #uk #censorship | Oct 28 20:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.reuters.com | Britain's Cameron says may act against newspapers over spy leaks | Reuters | Oct 28 20:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 9 TRILLION Dollars Missing from Federal Reserve,Fed Inspector General Can't Explain https://t.co/TUogJ2iFxz #debt | Oct 28 20:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | 9 TRILLION Dollars Missing from Federal Reserve,Fed Inspector General Can't Explain - YouTube | Oct 28 20:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Alan Grayson: "Which Foreigners Got the Fed's $500,000,000,000?" Bernanke: "I Don't Know." https://t.co/Z3sTqG405a #grayson #economy | Oct 28 20:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | Alan Grayson: "Which Foreigners Got the Fed's $500,000,000,000?" Bernanke: "I Don't Know." - YouTube | Oct 28 20:02 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220521 | Oct 28 20:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Brazilian President tweets about new national email, continues anti-NSA rhetoric http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-10/14/brazil-email-nsa no #privacy in password-passing | Oct 28 20:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.wired.co.uk | Brazilian President tweets about new national email, continues anti-NSA rhetoric (Wired UK) [ http://ur1.ca/fw0ls ] | Oct 28 20:04 |
| schestowitz_bed | "It is true that Brazil before WWII was closely connected to European fascism, and didn't suffer the atrocities from the marine-protected United Fruit Company as Columbia and many of the central American countries did, but after WWII the anti-communism efforts of the US did indeed interfere in Brazil's history ... what about operation Condor?" | Oct 28 20:04 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Oct 28 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | Software patents are like any unjust government edict. When a government edict is unjust, it is the duty of citizens to disobey it. If people all stopped obeying unjust edicts, they would cease to exist. | Oct 28 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | What are they going to do? Throw _everyone_ in prison? | Oct 28 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | Before Lawrence v. Texas, I could have been thrown in prison for living my life if I happened to be in the wrong US state. Indiana repealed that particular unjust law in 1977, well before I was born, but if it was still in effect, I would ignore it. | Oct 28 20:07 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394919463449280513 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394922788563480576 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394925548947767296 | Oct 28 20:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Slience" [sic] https://t.co/teRk5w3NCX | Oct 28 20:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Three degrees of separation: breaking down the NSA's 'hops' #surveillance method http://t.co/bmzVvvuGZD speaking truth to power | Oct 28 20:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | Three degrees of separation: breaking down the NSA's 'hops' surveillance method | World news | theguardian.com | Oct 28 20:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Lawyers Advise #Toronto Police Chief to Arrest #Cheney “as a Person Suspected of Authorizing and Abetting Torture” http://t.co/cbS3ZbJj6r | Oct 28 20:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.globalresearch.ca | Lawyers Advise Toronto Police Chief to Arrest Dick Cheney “as a Person Suspected of Authorizing and Abetting Torture” | Global Research | Oct 28 20:37 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3221206 | Oct 28 20:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Internet Censor #Google Claims to be Fighting Internet #Censorship http://techrights.org/2013/10/28/internet-censorship-and-google/ | Oct 28 20:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Internet Censor Google Claims to be Fighting Internet Censorship | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fy9zc ] | Oct 28 20:39 |
| schestowitz_bed | "bipolar!" | Oct 28 20:39 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3221923 | Oct 28 20:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #ideas #clouds #jumping #diving | Oct 28 20:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by herrjott@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_cace7fb61c11a709be91.jpeg | Oct 28 20:39 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://173.20.223.180/photoalbum/chron/2013/20131018-haloclouds/slide_07.html | Oct 28 20:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ( status 404 @ http://173.20.223.180/photoalbum/chron/2013/20131018-haloclouds/slide_07.html ) | Oct 28 20:39 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3222111 | Oct 28 20:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Slience" [sic] https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_90ed287aa0a8568e8539.jpg | Oct 28 20:39 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Slience?... hmmm... have to think about that... maybe I need more slience.." | Oct 28 20:39 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394904528937435136 | Oct 28 20:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: @evanpro @Erkan_Yilmaz @internetarchive mailed to evan@status.net again. I want to self-host this data one way or another. :-) | Oct 28 20:45 |
| DaemonFC | Patience. | Oct 28 20:54 |
| DaemonFC | Water will always win the battle against the dam, given enough time. | Oct 28 20:54 |
| MinceR | 210716 < DaemonFC> What are they going to do? Throw _everyone_ in prison? | Oct 28 20:55 |
| MinceR | isn't that where the USA is going? :> | Oct 28 20:55 |
| MinceR | 205459 < JimmyCarter> unfortunately macbook air best laptop on market | Oct 28 20:56 |
| MinceR | by whose standards? :> | Oct 28 20:56 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/evanpro/status/394930310829191168 | Oct 28 20:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @evanpro: @schestowitz Just checking: didn't I send you a download file previously? | Oct 28 20:56 |
| schestowitz_bed | None that i can recall; maybe some server filtered it? | Oct 28 20:56 |
| schestowitz_bed | Months/weeks before I was offered the option of a download link; never got any email. | Oct 28 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I wouldn't make a very good prisoner. | Oct 28 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | I would refuse to do work for free, even if it meant being thrown in seclusion. | Oct 28 20:58 |
| schestowitz_bed | The thing is, the lack of response is why I stopped posting in identica; I planned to continue beforehand. | Oct 28 20:58 |
| schestowitz_bed | DaemonFC: depends what on | Oct 28 20:58 |
| schestowitz_bed | some jobs are also good causes | Oct 28 20:58 |
| schestowitz_bed | and just pay no salary | Oct 28 20:58 |
| schestowitz_bed | almost any job that pays no salary is a good cause | Oct 28 20:58 |
| schestowitz_bed | like real journalism | Oct 28 20:59 |
| schestowitz_bed | not PR pretending to be *it* | Oct 28 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | A good prisoner will refuse to make it worth his captor's efforts, to the furthest extent possible. | Oct 28 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | These prisons get free labor out of inmates, and that makes it very profitable to keep them imprisoned. | Oct 28 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | They offer time off for good behavior if the prisoner works. So the prisoner works, and the prison finds "infractions" that add to the time he has to serve, and brings him up near his original sentence. | Oct 28 21:00 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394926796015415296 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394927514587770881 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394928319013330945 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394929552436527104 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394930374297800704 | Oct 28 21:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Ars 'Tech'nica says "stealing" data. I guess Ars still doesn't understand the concept of stealing. http://t.co/Od7ZTZ0mVg | Oct 28 21:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | Database hacking spree on US Army, NASA, and others costs gov’t millions | Ars Technica | Oct 28 21:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: This could be the biggest advance in camera design for a decade http://t.co/X4tsjFjUBB #openhardware | Oct 28 21:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.redsharknews.com | RedShark News - This could be the biggest advance in camera design for a decade | Oct 28 21:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Apple can't handle updates http://t.co/olWkslqP0E #apple #shoddy #secondclass | Oct 28 21:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.lessig.org | Wow, or from the When-Apple-Became-the-Borg Department | Lessig | Oct 28 21:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: So #apple not only facilitates #censorship (famously). It is censoring heavily itself http://t.co/ivdUmfpigw #northkorea model | Oct 28 21:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.lessig.org | the slaughter continues — Apple’s latest deleted comment: | Lessig | Oct 28 21:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Internet Needs an Uncompromising "Marco Civil" in Brazil! http://t.co/4Ui3I461Hp "defending free speech and freedoms online" | Oct 28 21:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.laquadrature.net | Internet Needs an Uncompromising "Marco Civil" in Brazil! | La Quadrature du Net | Oct 28 21:00 |
| Sosumi | http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=443899&d=1382993288 | Oct 28 21:08 |
| Sosumi | apple copied the trashcan designe | Oct 28 21:08 |
| Sosumi | and yes that's a fully functional pc inside a moded trashcan turned case | Oct 28 21:10 |
| Sosumi | also, face recognition and m$ kinect like functionality is coming to ps4's eyetoy thing | Oct 28 21:11 |
| Sosumi | so, big brother'll be watching you | Oct 28 21:11 |
| MinceR | http://www.pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/fs12.jpg | Oct 28 21:18 |
| Sosumi | yep, that's the same thing afk | Oct 28 21:19 |
| Sosumi | when you're doing something relevant that changes or tries to mess with the order of things | Oct 28 21:19 |
| Sosumi | just watch everyone standing to go against you | Oct 28 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | An extravagant lifestyle is a lifestyle with no free time and lots of debt for most people. I haven't ever been in debt because I never need anything that badly. | Oct 28 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | You have megacorporations that benefit from high inflation, because it gets people in the mindset that it doesn't matter where all of their money is going as long as they waste all of it as rapidly as possible. | Oct 28 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | Along with this, we get the lie that inflation makes debt cheaper. For that to happen, wages have to rise with inflation, while debt is a static amount. So it's basically a lie to get people to accept a one-two punch. When was the last time you got a 3% raise and used it to pay down all of your zero interest loans? | Oct 28 21:25 |
| DaemonFC | Didn't think so. | Oct 28 21:25 |
| Sosumi | wages have only decreased | Oct 28 21:28 |
| Sosumi | lol | Oct 28 21:28 |
| Sosumi | well, unless you're a bankster or some money junkie from wall street | Oct 28 21:29 |
| Sosumi | or the city | Oct 28 21:29 |
| Sosumi | and I'm not in debt either, I just buy what I need to live | Oct 28 21:30 |
| Sosumi | aside, M$ is forbidding comparisons between the ps4 and the xbone | Oct 28 21:32 |
| Sosumi | xbone the wimpy | Oct 28 21:33 |
| Sosumi | but sony is junk anyways | Oct 28 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | I don't make very much money. | Oct 28 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | A lot of people would probably laugh at the amount of money I have. | Oct 28 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | But I have no debt, and I could last a while with no income. | Oct 28 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | So I'm part of the top 22% by default. | Oct 28 21:36 |
| DaemonFC | It's harder to make more money than it is to spend less of it. | Oct 28 21:36 |
| Sosumi | it's though out there | Oct 28 21:46 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 28 21:46 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | a few seconds ago | Oct 28 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | I do disagree with Freedom Indiana on one thing. Claiming to be "bipartisan" is a mistake. | Oct 28 22:24 |
| DaemonFC | Pretty much 99% of this particular problem problem that we are trying to fight is coming from one major political party that has made itself the pain in the ass of pretty much all Americans, whether they really realize that or not. | Oct 28 22:24 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 29 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2013/10/that-time-harrison-ford-flubbed-a-star-wars-line-ate-a-headset.html | Oct 29 02:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.pbs.org | That's no moon, it's a 36-year-late 'Star Wars' blooper reel | PBS NewsHour [ http://ur1.ca/fyb2s ] | Oct 29 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | I still say that Grand Moff Tarkin was a Republican. | Oct 29 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | "You'd prefer another target? Then name the system!" *blows up Alderaan anyway* | Oct 29 02:44 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer shared a link. | Oct 29 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Oct 29 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | From the upcoming Stargate SG-1 video game: | Oct 29 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | O'Neill: "Ra has a daughter? I thought he was batting for the other team?" | Oct 29 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | Reference to Jaye Davidson, who played Ra in the 1994 Stargate movie, who is gay. | Oct 29 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | He might have dressed up like a Pride float, but he made a really good villain. | Oct 29 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeWC6Cc7XVY | Oct 29 02:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Daniel Jackson meets Ra - Greatest stargate scene ever ! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fyb34 ] | Oct 29 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer shared a link via Ars Technica. | Oct 29 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | 15 minutes ago | Oct 29 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | The area where I have to give Intel credit. They've never had a proprietary graphics driver for GNU/Linux, only a Free (as in Freedom) one. Those proprietary drivers do some really nasty things. For one, they open up lots of backdoors into your system, some of which are probably because of the NSA. The other nasty thing they do is cause problems throughout the entire kernel and userspace. I tracked a bug with Nvidia's proprietary driver that | Oct 29 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | was causing my instant messagine program to work. Also, with Nvidia's proprietary driver loaded, sometimes my keyboard wasn't detected, and I'd have to unplug it and plug it back in. | Oct 29 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | That's why I ended up taking the Nvidia card out and replacing it with a Radeon. | Oct 29 02:51 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/evanpro/status/395005081432510465 https://twitter.com/evanpro/status/395005166987911168 | Oct 29 03:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @evanpro: @schestowitz Understandable. You're an outlier; your huge number of posts on identi.ca kills all my backup scripts. I'll work on it. | Oct 29 03:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @evanpro: @schestowitz Would it help if I got the other few accounts downloaded first? | Oct 29 03:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | that would be great | Oct 29 03:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/61604 | Oct 29 03:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tuxmachines.org | Sold! (tentatively) | tuxmachines.org | Oct 29 03:34 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 03:34 |
| schestowitz_bed | I guess tuxmachines.org has been sold for $1000. I know it's kinda low, but times have changed and the new owner plans to carry on the tuxmachines tradition. | Oct 29 03:34 |
| schestowitz_bed | I suppose that's all I should say for now until the deal is written in stone. | Oct 29 03:34 |
| schestowitz_bed | Thanks everyone for everything: all the visits, all the jokes, comments, and donations. But more on that later as well. | Oct 29 03:34 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 03:34 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3222042 | Oct 29 03:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Alan Grayson: "Which Foreigners Got the Fed's $500,000,000,000?" Bernanke: "I Don't Know." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0NYBTkE1yQ #grayson #economy | Oct 29 03:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | Alan Grayson: "Which Foreigners Got the Fed's $500,000,000,000?" Bernanke: "I Don't Know." - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fyb82 ] | Oct 29 03:37 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Bernanke gets paid to know nothing year after year." | Oct 29 03:37 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Bernanke gets paid to "know nothing" year after year." | Oct 29 03:37 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3222397 | Oct 29 03:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: action is his reward... | Oct 29 03:37 |
| schestowitz_bed | "That and international fan lol..." | Oct 29 03:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3222027 | Oct 29 03:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 9 TRILLION Dollars Missing from Federal Reserve,Fed Inspector General Can't Explain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYNVNhB-m0o #debt | Oct 29 03:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | 9 TRILLION Dollars Missing from Federal Reserve,Fed Inspector General Can't Explain - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fyb86 ] | Oct 29 03:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | "u cant explain dat" | Oct 29 03:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3221969 | Oct 29 03:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared:  | Oct 29 03:39 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3221969No. Edison had more than 10,000 prototypes to create that light bulb. It takes LOTS of realizations and improvements to do something significant. Learn to challenge yourself continually." | Oct 29 03:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared:  | Oct 29 03:39 |
| schestowitz_bed | He hardly invented the bulb, he copied others | Oct 29 03:40 |
| schestowitz_bed | On who really invented bulbs http://www.history.com/news/ask-history/who-really-invented-the-light-bulb | Oct 29 03:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.history.com | Who really invented the light bulb? — Ask HISTORY — History Q&A [ http://ur1.ca/fyb8n ] | Oct 29 03:41 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1378739_1425673547660422_412233286_n.jpg | Oct 29 03:56 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://www.policymic.com/articles/22228/predator-drone-strikes-kill-up-to-50-civilians-for-every-1-terrorist-assassinated-study | Oct 29 04:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.policymic.com | Predator Drone Strikes Kill Up to 50 Civilians For Every 1 Terrorist Assassinated: Study - PolicyMic [ http://ur1.ca/fybcd ] | Oct 29 04:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/10/25/ex-nsa-chief-acela-twitter-whoops/ | Oct 29 04:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.forbes.com | Ex-NSA Chief Is Not The First To Have His 'Private' Acela Conversation Tapped (But Is Definitely The Most Ironic) - Forbes [ http://ur1.ca/fybdd ] | Oct 29 04:31 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_972ea8a7ca004d8d44df.png | Oct 29 04:42 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395033163078332416 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395036698608173056 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395037437648723968 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395041404680171520 | Oct 29 05:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Apple’s engineers appear to have... removed many features for no apparent reason" http://t.co/w1C9DMoyhM | Oct 29 05:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.betalogue.com | Betalogue » Pages 5: An unmitigated disaster | Oct 29 05:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The #nsa is high on packets cocaine http://t.co/S2SLpjKkxn #japan #asia | Oct 29 05:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.japantimes.co.jp | NSA asked Japan to tap regionwide fiber-optic cables in 2011 | The Japan Times | Oct 29 05:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Fukushima horse breeder braves high radiation levels to care for animals http://t.co/5gzYyTSuss #japan | Oct 29 05:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | Fukushima horse breeder braves high radiation levels to care for animals | World news | The Guardian | Oct 29 05:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Japan secrecy act stirs fears about press freedom, right to know http://t.co/qONG2XrRQm #japan | Oct 29 05:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.reuters.com | Japan secrecy act stirs fears about press freedom, right to know | Reuters | Oct 29 05:07 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395042595187224576 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395044311160881152 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395045753158381568 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395047126302199808 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395048052182237184 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395051084596916224 | Oct 29 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Friends https://t.co/rzt0zdsYZ0 | Oct 29 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: A Quake Revives Japan's Nuclear Nightmare http://t.co/g0NQmRcCAc #japan | Oct 29 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.bloomberg.com | A Quake Revives Japan's Nuclear Nightmare - Bloomberg | Oct 29 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "After sea kayaking after BP's spill happened, I was sitting at my desk and started coughing up loads of blood" http://t.co/HxQTXDyiR2 | Oct 29 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.aljazeera.com | BP's 'widespread human health crisis' - Features - Al Jazeera English | Oct 29 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Relative freedom https://t.co/yLH37U9r2V | Oct 29 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Syria meme http://t.co/vPiPG8cuM4 | Oct 29 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Our Invisible Revolution http://t.co/vPhRV7u59c "Ruling elites, once the ideas that justify their existence are dead, resort to force." | Oct 29 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.truthdig.com | Chris Hedges: Our Invisible Revolution - Chris Hedges - Truthdig | Oct 29 05:08 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395053782129983488 | Oct 29 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: CNN on those 'poor' #drone 'pilots' http://t.co/QDZhOmn99w "The “video game” aspect of his job was reinforced by his trainers, he said." | Oct 29 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> amanpour.blogs.cnn.com | Confessions of an American drone warrior – Amanpour - CNN.com Blogs | Oct 29 05:08 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395056594649894912 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395055234260926464 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395053782129983488 | Oct 29 05:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: I feel bad for people who think that DuckDuckGo gives them #privacy while hosted on/by strong #CIA partner #Amazon http://t.co/lkhI997q5v | Oct 29 05:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Apple’s Latest Bogus Claims Give False Sense of Privacy, Paint iMessage as ‘Secure’ | Techrights | Oct 29 05:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Ubuntu’s Mark Shuttleworth wins Austria’s Big Brother Award http://t.co/nKhl68y8Ne local searches sent to strong CIA partner Amazon | Oct 29 05:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.muktware.com | Ubuntu's Mark Shuttleworth wins Austria's Big Brother Award | Muktware | Oct 29 05:19 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 05:21 |
| schestowitz_bed | The Government wants to teach all children how to code. Here's why it's a stupid idea | Oct 29 05:21 |
| schestowitz_bed | My Telegraph Blogs colleague Jack Rivlin is looking for a developer, and is frustrated because he can’t find one in Shoreditch. Jack is the perfect poster child for why our kids can’t code – he’s a normal person, rather than an exceptionally dull weirdo, like the bulk of developers. | Oct 29 05:21 |
| schestowitz_bed | I'm all for people to learning to code – I wrote a piece arguing we should teach it in prisons earlier this year – but I think we need to be aware of its limitations. Coding is a niche, mechanical skill, a bit like plumbing or car repair. | Oct 29 05:21 |
| schestowitz_bed | As a subject, it only appeals to a limited set of people – the aforementioned dull weirdos. | Oct 29 05:21 |
| schestowitz_bed | ' | Oct 29 05:21 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/willardfoxton2/100011290/the-government-wants-to-teach-all-children-how-to-code-heres-why-its-a-stupid-idea/ | Oct 29 05:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | blogs.telegraph.co.uk | The Government wants to teach all children how to code. Here's why it's a stupid idea – Telegraph Blogs [ http://ur1.ca/fybi2 ] | Oct 29 05:21 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 05:23 |
| schestowitz_bed | For the last decade or so, computing lessons have been dreadful. ICT has become one of those pathetic subjects like Religious Education: taught by the runts of the teaching litter and seen as pointless by pupils. | Oct 29 05:23 |
| schestowitz_bed | So, the current curriculum is broken. However, the new curriculum that Jack likes so much wrongly thinks that teaching everyone to code is the answer. The new rules expect five to seven year-olds to understand the definition of an algorithm years before they are due to be taught algebra, as well as being able to "create and debug simple computer programs". Once they've grasped this, seven to 11 year-olds will have to code programs | Oct 29 05:23 |
| schestowitz_bed | in at least two programming languages". | Oct 29 05:23 |
| schestowitz_bed | ' | Oct 29 05:23 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | Your friend Jack can't find a developer because ideas are a dime a dozen. | Oct 29 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | I get approached weekly by people who have a great idea. They can't | Oct 29 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | afford me. Ideas are a dime a dozen. "Charming idea guys" are worthless. | Oct 29 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | They are also a thing of the past. There are a few exceptions but already | Oct 29 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | in most firms the geeks average pay surpasses the marketing and idea people | Oct 29 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | and it's going to get worse. I predict within a few years that the geeks will be | Oct 29 05:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | the ones that both create the ideas and code it. There will still be a need for | Oct 29 05:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | marketers and other jobs geeks don't want to do but they will be the low paid | Oct 29 05:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | people at the companies. I already work in just such a business. I'm the | Oct 29 05:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | highest paid employee and offload all my paperwork and anything else I | Oct 29 05:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | don't want to do to someone else so I can spend my day being creative | Oct 29 05:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | and doing what I enjoy. Tell me how many art or journalism majors can say that? | Oct 29 05:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | Coding is automation and automation is the future. You learn to code or | Oct 29 05:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | you'll soon be out of a job. | Oct 29 05:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 05:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | Well put | Oct 29 05:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 05:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | One of the most common things I can remember some of the dimmest minds in school saying was, "Why do I need to learn this algebra or this calculus stuff? It's not like I'm going to use it in real life." I find it amazing that as an adult, I still can find myself explaining to other adults that the reason they teach algebra and calculus in school is because it trains the mind with mental discipline and critical thinking skills. | Oct 29 05:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | I laugh out loud at some hack journalist thinking that giving students a foundation in coding skills is not worthy of the curriculum while his career is going the way of the dinosaurs. Meanwhile, careers in programming are booming. | Oct 29 05:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | I will celebrate every time the new media of free information sends another busload of hacks like you to the unemployment line. Go ahead and wail against the future, but yours is a dying breed, and the future is in computer programming. | Oct 29 05:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 05:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | "I would almost completely agree with you, except your second sentence already starts to attack programmers. It was the wrong way to approach this article, by immediately calling people names. Especially those who have the expertise in the industry and who may definitely agree with you, if you presented an article that doesn't resort to making you look completely lopsided. I see no point in discussing the true content of your | Oct 29 05:27 |
| schestowitz_bed | article for that fact alone.' | Oct 29 05:27 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395059260973133824 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395059460429066240 | Oct 29 05:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Coding is automation and automation is the future. You learn to code or you'll soon be out of a job." -Comment on http://t.co/QgGtiVj03c | Oct 29 05:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> blogs.telegraph.co.uk | The Government wants to teach all children how to code. Here's why it's a stupid idea – Telegraph Blogs | Oct 29 05:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Price of printer ink https://t.co/7FWAE5zheM | Oct 29 05:31 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | David Cameron makes veiled threat to media over NSA and GCHQ leaks | World news | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fybqi ] | Oct 29 06:24 |
| iophk | Doesn't seem that veiled | Oct 29 06:24 |
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| schestowitz_bed | http://techrights.org/ | Oct 29 08:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | Techrights | People's rights in the digital age | Plutocracy threatened by freedom, democracy, privacy & civil rights | Oct 29 08:02 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3222397 | Oct 29 08:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: action is his reward... | Oct 29 08:07 |
| schestowitz_bed | "that guy looks heavy lol" | Oct 29 08:07 |
| Snowleaksange | #1 way to defeat NSA: Linux | Oct 29 08:10 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3224026 | Oct 29 08:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: vampire realization... | Oct 29 08:40 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Here's the whole thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GZ5kCLR4vc If you can speak German it's even funnier. :)" | Oct 29 08:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Der Magische Spiegel - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fycfn ] | Oct 29 08:40 |
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| DaemonFC | Amazon changed their free super saver shipping. | Oct 29 08:56 |
| DaemonFC | Now you have to spend $35. | Oct 29 08:56 |
| *MinceR_ is now known as MinceR | Oct 29 09:03 | |
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| schestowitz_bed | http://fossforce.com/2013/10/using-foss-windows-centric-environment/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=using-foss-windows-centric-environment | Oct 29 09:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fossforce.com | Using FOSS in a Windows-Centric Corporate Environment - FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/fycms ] | Oct 29 09:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 09:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | FileZilla running on Windows | Oct 29 09:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | FileZilla, a free and open source FTP client that can run on Windows, Mac OS X and GNU/Linux. | Oct 29 09:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | You have probably installed Linux on your work laptop and impress your colleagues with the style and performance of your operating systems. You promote Linux! Lucky you! I am envious! | Oct 29 09:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 09:18 |
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| iophk | FileZilla -> SFTP client | Oct 29 09:25 |
| iophk | why are people still talking about FTP in 2013? | Oct 29 09:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | old habits | Oct 29 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | for some reason I've had "All Along The Watchtower" stuck in my head all day. | Oct 29 09:31 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's obvious that I'm a cylon. | Oct 29 09:31 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395116766118309888 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395120741039239168 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395121379911430144 | Oct 29 09:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: PC-BSD 9.2: The daemon is in the details http://t.co/vYVrA1OyVD #pcbsd #bsd #unic | Oct 29 09:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Oct 29 09:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Reversal https://t.co/Ra9RSIVCMZ | Oct 29 09:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Uncle Sam http://t.co/303q2wZz6R | Oct 29 09:37 |
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| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/reflections-on-the-long-fight-against-the-copyright-monopoly-and-what-you-can-do-131027/ | Oct 29 11:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Reflections On The Long Fight Against The Copyright Monopoly – And What You Can Do | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/fyd3v ] | Oct 29 11:14 |
| iophk | http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/operating-systems-want-be-free-229529 | Oct 29 11:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | Operating systems want to be free | Data Center - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fyd4i ] | Oct 29 11:23 |
| iophk | "selling" software may vanish | Oct 29 11:23 |
| iophk | software is just a means to an end | Oct 29 11:44 |
| iophk | Maybe similar to Collusion: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24477-firefox-plugin-reveals-who-is-tracking-your-surfing.html | Oct 29 11:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Couldn't resolve host 'www.newscientist.com' ( status 0 @ http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24477-firefox-plugin-reveals-who-is-tracking-your-surfing.html ) | Oct 29 11:53 |
| iophk | http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22029401.700-has-the-time-come-to-abandon-online-anonymity.html | Oct 29 11:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.newscientist.com | Has the time come to abandon online anonymity? - opinion - 25 October 2013 - New Scientist [ http://ur1.ca/fydbd ] | Oct 29 11:55 |
| MinceR | No. | Oct 29 11:55 |
| MinceR | Next question. | Oct 29 11:55 |
| iophk | Agreed. | Oct 29 11:55 |
| iophk | However, it is important to note what message is getting a voice in the non-tech sector. | Oct 29 11:56 |
| iophk | They had another similar article paywalled | Oct 29 12:00 |
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| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/torrent-site-admin-who-turned-pigsty-into-datacenter-jailed-for-a-year-131027/ | Oct 29 14:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Torrent Site Admin Who Turned Pigsty into Datacenter Jailed for a Year | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/fye1e ] | Oct 29 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: hopefuly thi guy can make a remater :) | Oct 29 14:21 |
| iophk | the pigsty guy? | Oct 29 14:21 |
| sebsebseb | uh? | Oct 29 14:21 |
| iophk | "Torrent Site Admin Who Turned Pigsty into Datacenter Jailed for a Year" | Oct 29 14:21 |
| iophk | Did you get any useful advice from the forums? | Oct 29 14:22 |
| iophk | What about from the makers of Mageia's official images? | Oct 29 14:22 |
| iophk | I'd still say that it would be unproductive and maybe even trouble to try to push remasters on people. | Oct 29 14:25 |
| iophk | As mentioned, the QA that has gone into the official images is worth a lot and not easily duplicated. | Oct 29 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yep indeed too the QA stuff | Oct 29 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | ,but really all the remaster is meant to do is add in updates and some pre installed apps | Oct 29 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think I should take offical ISO's with me to the event as well :D | Oct 29 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | even if htey don't for other distros | Oct 29 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | so that if problems with the re masters for this one wel | Oct 29 14:27 |
| iophk | Yes, but if you do that during the installation process, they visitors *learn* how to do it themselves. | Oct 29 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well as I put before | Oct 29 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | they want to give out loads of remasterd USB's of distros | Oct 29 14:28 |
| iophk | Learning to install apps and to do a proper update is important | Oct 29 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | and only do some installs if there is time | Oct 29 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | event is ony six hours | Oct 29 14:28 |
| iophk | USBs will get wiped and formatted with FAT32 as soon as they leave the room. | Oct 29 14:28 |
| iophk | Waste of money | Oct 29 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | maybe so | Oct 29 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | ,but they want these reasters so | Oct 29 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | remaster is ok for testing stuff out | Oct 29 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | ,but some of them want the installs done frm it to | Oct 29 14:29 |
| iophk | Yes ok for testing but not for installfests | Oct 29 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well it's not really a installfest now | Oct 29 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | it's ell | Oct 29 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | Linux Live 2014 | Oct 29 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | or whatever it's going to be called | Oct 29 14:29 |
| iophk | A demo | Oct 29 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | it's about giving Live remasters out, and doing a few installs if time | Oct 29 14:29 |
| iophk | then they should definintely not give out remasters | Oct 29 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | if hardy any people got time for a few installs | Oct 29 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | that's the idea now | Oct 29 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | even tiself is only six hours | Oct 29 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | event | Oct 29 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well they think it's a good idea to gie out a remstred USB stick, with pre installed programs that they may want instaled | Oct 29 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | that isn't by default | Oct 29 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: main thing is I need to make a remaster | Oct 29 14:30 |
| iophk | Six hours is probably enough for up to 8 installs per staff member, if an install is three quarters of an hour | Oct 29 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | and well we havne't 100% decided all the technial stuff just yet | Oct 29 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well can take over 20 minutes for an install | Oct 29 14:31 |
| iophk | What kind of help have you gotten from the forum, what about from the Mageia team? | Oct 29 14:31 |
| iophk | I'd say 45 min for an install | Oct 29 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | and there's ony like six of us so far | Oct 29 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | and might have quite a few people | Oct 29 14:31 |
| iophk | there's a lot of talking and you havce to also show how to update and how to install a package | Oct 29 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah and talking is part of it | Oct 29 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | hence why installs are now ony if there is time | Oct 29 14:32 |
| sebsebseb | otherwise it's about showing stuff on demoontration computers, and giving out remasters | Oct 29 14:32 |
| sebsebseb | maybe some ofifical cd's etc to | Oct 29 14:32 |
| sebsebseb | I don't think we should rely only on these remasters for all of it | Oct 29 14:32 |
| sebsebseb | I think it's good to have offica media there too, but now two of them seem too think that it isn't nesassrey to have offical | Oct 29 14:33 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think let them mess things up for Ubuntu, Mint, and Open Suse, if things are going that way | Oct 29 14:33 |
| sebsebseb | ,but regardless o what they say | Oct 29 14:33 |
| sebsebseb | I will make sure I got officl Mageia media with me as well | Oct 29 14:33 |
| sebsebseb | to gie out, or use for installs posssibly | Oct 29 14:33 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't care about Ubuntu, Mint, and Open Suse for this | Oct 29 14:34 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I am doing this, becuse I want Magiea out there more | Oct 29 14:34 |
| sebsebseb | basically or mainly | Oct 29 14:34 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: as for what help I got, well someone is going to try and make one again | Oct 29 14:34 |
| sebsebseb | one of the packagers | Oct 29 14:34 |
| sebsebseb | and another packager sent me emails aobut how to possbilly do it | Oct 29 14:34 |
| sebsebseb | in general the response hasn't been that good at all from people though | Oct 29 14:35 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: QA woman basicaly recommending against, and someone else frm the board, being like why have a remaster? why woud they require htat | Oct 29 14:35 |
| sebsebseb | why not just say you can't do it | Oct 29 14:35 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I feel like I am relying on only one person at the moment, this guy who made with some isobuilder beore | Oct 29 14:36 |
| sebsebseb | he said he would try again tonight, and documentate it and such on the wiki | Oct 29 14:36 |
| iophk | The more I think, the worse a remaster sounds | Oct 29 14:37 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they are asoutlly stuck on the remaster idea some of those people | Oct 29 14:38 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think best idea i to have remasters if they want them so badly, but also offical edia | Oct 29 14:38 |
| sebsebseb | make it clear to the person at the event hte differnece | Oct 29 14:38 |
| iophk | Yes, I would only give out the official discs | Oct 29 14:38 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: why not give out remaster, and officl media | Oct 29 14:38 |
| sebsebseb | well some of them think it's absoutly fine to do installs from the remaster as well | Oct 29 14:39 |
| sebsebseb | whole idea is to give out the remaster, since it has stuff pre instaled | Oct 29 14:39 |
| sebsebseb | pre installed stuff that Joe and Jane average may want pre installed that woudn't be by default | Oct 29 14:39 |
| sebsebseb | they think by giving out remsters it's keeping things, keep it simple stupid | Oct 29 14:39 |
| iophk | from a learning perspective, it is *much* better to have them do an update themselves | Oct 29 14:39 |
| iophk | the same for adding an app or two | Oct 29 14:39 |
| sebsebseb | I agree with that | Oct 29 14:40 |
| sebsebseb | from a learning perspective it's better for them to do an install | Oct 29 14:40 |
| sebsebseb | and get additonal stuff them selves | Oct 29 14:40 |
| sebsebseb | ,but now this isn't really a installfest anymore as well as I wasying | Oct 29 14:40 |
| sebsebseb | it's a live/demonstraiton fest, the remaster being a demo as well | Oct 29 14:40 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think the main thing is that the person understands what htey are biging given | Oct 29 14:41 |
| sebsebseb | this is bsed on the offial, but has some changes... | Oct 29 14:41 |
| iophk | sounds like it will overwhelm them, I think | Oct 29 14:41 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they want Skype and such pre installed it seems | Oct 29 14:42 |
| sebsebseb | a selection of default apps | Oct 29 14:42 |
| iophk | Skype is just plain nasty and has no place at a FOSS event | Oct 29 14:42 |
| sebsebseb | default additional apps and have the same ones in all of them | Oct 29 14:42 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: wel someone suggestd Jitsi as the alterntive | Oct 29 14:42 |
| sebsebseb | ,but Skype might end up being in depends | Oct 29 14:42 |
| iophk | You can't have it pre-installed on the disc because there's no telling how the sound system will or won't work | Oct 29 14:42 |
| iophk | If the sound doesn't work they will blame Linux | Oct 29 14:42 |
| sebsebseb | oh that's a point | Oct 29 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | Skype may need some setting up you mean | Oct 29 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Oct 29 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | worked well for me in Magiea 3 when I put in | Oct 29 14:43 |
| iophk | Yes but more importantly the general sound system needs setting up | Oct 29 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | jitsi is bette than Skype | Oct 29 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't think the technical stuff like that has been thought out yet | Oct 29 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | propery | Oct 29 14:43 |
| iophk | Jitsi is *way* better than skype | Oct 29 14:43 |
| iophk | the sound is better | Oct 29 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | remasters not getting QA thing being one of them | Oct 29 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | if Skype should really be pre installed or not another etc | Oct 29 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I can probably talk whoever out of Skype quite easilly | Oct 29 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | just say we'll do jitsi | Oct 29 14:44 |
| iophk | It sounds like a lot of technical stuff is being ignored | Oct 29 14:44 |
| iophk | yesJitsi is the way to go | Oct 29 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | someone who aparnatlly is meant to be more technical than the rest of us others, apparantly | Oct 29 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | was recommending jitsi | Oct 29 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | oh that's the Open Suse guy as well | Oct 29 14:44 |
| iophk | even a stopped clock is right twice a day... | Oct 29 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah Skpe may be knwn, but it's not that great | Oct 29 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: heh heh | Oct 29 14:45 |
| iophk | Skype is closed source ,closed format, and M$ | Oct 29 14:45 |
| iophk | It's the antithesis of FOSS | Oct 29 14:45 |
| sebsebseb | you mean he picked a bad distro, but is irght about jitsi being better? | Oct 29 14:45 |
| iophk | yes | Oct 29 14:45 |
| sebsebseb | yeah so I'll say no Skype | Oct 29 14:45 |
| sebsebseb | let's do Jitsi instead | Oct 29 14:45 |
| sebsebseb | I think most should go alon with that one | Oct 29 14:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ata | Oct 29 14:46 |
| sebsebseb | actsally with Skype distros arne't allowed to just install it directly from repo's | Oct 29 14:46 |
| sebsebseb | so I wonder about having it pre installed into remasters hmm | Oct 29 14:46 |
| sebsebseb | distro's have to use a script and get it off hte offiiccal site/server | Oct 29 14:46 |
| iophk | What are they going to do, sue you? | Oct 29 14:46 |
| sebsebseb | no probably not | Oct 29 14:46 |
| iophk | Seriously though Jitsi is a better and *more appropriate* option for VoIP | Oct 29 14:46 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yep Skype is a uh | Oct 29 14:46 |
| sebsebseb | better to put jitsi in | Oct 29 14:47 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Skype also is old in Linux | Oct 29 14:47 |
| iophk | Jitsi is FOSS, it is open standard and it is an open project | Oct 29 14:47 |
| sebsebseb | compard to Windows | Oct 29 14:47 |
| sebsebseb | soem people will atsully notice that, that it's a quite old version with Linux | Oct 29 14:47 |
| sebsebseb | and something newer with WIndows | Oct 29 14:47 |
| iophk | Skype for linux is going away as you see and as people have warned | Oct 29 14:47 |
| sebsebseb | Skype for Linux is going away? | Oct 29 14:47 |
| iophk | also Skype has dreadful security | Oct 29 14:47 |
| sebsebseb | I got Skype ope nat hte moment still I think | Oct 29 14:47 |
| iophk | yes Skype for Linux is going away eventually | Oct 29 14:48 |
| iophk | M$ owns it now | Oct 29 14:48 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: anyway yeah jitsi put that in by defalt | Oct 29 14:48 |
| sebsebseb | pidgin yep | Oct 29 14:48 |
| sebsebseb | they don' want ink scape, and this other guy is like to save spac, could remoe gimp | Oct 29 14:48 |
| sebsebseb | I Think having both gimp and inkscape may be worht it actllly, and some kind of photo editor | Oct 29 14:48 |
| iophk | I would agree, both need to be there | Oct 29 14:49 |
| iophk | If you are making a DVD there is a lot of space. | Oct 29 14:49 |
| sebsebseb | well some of the USB's are 1GB which is a bit small for most | Oct 29 14:49 |
| iophk | If you are making a CD, well there's not much space for what is expected | Oct 29 14:49 |
| sebsebseb | ,but there's £100 of funding stil | Oct 29 14:49 |
| sebsebseb | that could be used to buy 4GB USB sticks | Oct 29 14:49 |
| iophk | USB sticks will get reformatted with FAT32 upon leaving the room. They will be looked on as swag, nothing more. | Oct 29 14:49 |
| sebsebseb | yeah can re format them qute easilly in Windows with Fat32 I think? | Oct 29 14:50 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: that's something else ome of them are obbsed with USB sticks | Oct 29 14:50 |
| sebsebseb | booting distros off them etc | Oct 29 14:50 |
| iophk | AFAIK windows won't be able to read them and when people plug them into their windows computers, they'll click on "ok" when it asks to reformat. | Oct 29 14:51 |
| sebsebseb | true though with a CD or DVD R, well stuck with htat is on it | Oct 29 14:51 |
| iophk | CD R can be burned on demand | Oct 29 14:51 |
| iophk | less waste | Oct 29 14:51 |
| sebsebseb | yeah Windows can show what's on the USB just about I think in file manager | Oct 29 14:51 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah | Oct 29 14:51 |
| iophk | it can only show the formats it can read | Oct 29 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: with CD R and DVD R stuck with what's on it | Oct 29 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | can't just re formt htat | Oct 29 14:52 |
| MinceR | depends on the liveusb | Oct 29 14:52 |
| iophk | all others it offers to format, and most Windows users are practiced in mindlessly clicking "ok" | Oct 29 14:52 |
| iophk | to all dialog boxes | Oct 29 14:52 |
| MinceR | slax (also Linux Live) can make liveusb-s that are readable in winblows | Oct 29 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: soe people might think oh that Intel USB stick looks nice | Oct 29 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah yeah I'll take three or so of those whatever amount we have for distros | Oct 29 14:52 |
| iophk | yep | Oct 29 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | then go home and reformat it like your syaing | Oct 29 14:52 |
| iophk | free usb sticks | Oct 29 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | oh and that Intel USB stick looks nice | Oct 29 14:53 |
| MinceR | what intel usb stick? | Oct 29 14:53 |
| sebsebseb | ok it's ony 1GB and may need bigger ones | Oct 29 14:53 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: been given 30 USB sticks from Intel | Oct 29 14:53 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: soeone worked for them and arranged that, I was hpeing they would sponser it properly and such, but nope | Oct 29 14:54 |
| sebsebseb | he was askin for 30 USB sticks by the end of November, and we got this reply.... | Oct 29 14:54 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah I don't like the idea of iving out free usb sticks | Oct 29 14:54 |
| sebsebseb | if using CD R and DVD R stuck with htat's on it | Oct 29 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | can't just reformt that | Oct 29 14:55 |
| iophk | exactly | Oct 29 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | maybe there's a reason that USB sticks aren't just given out at thee FOSS events | Oct 29 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | why does it always seem to be CD R or DVD R possbily | Oct 29 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | I guess since this? | Oct 29 14:55 |
| iophk | I would think so | Oct 29 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | event may be aimed at general pubic | Oct 29 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Oct 29 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | the people turning up I assume hae some sort of idea how to use a computer, with Windows anyway | Oct 29 14:56 |
| iophk | Most don't | Oct 29 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | and reforating a USB won't take much | Oct 29 14:56 |
| iophk | they learn a few tricks | Oct 29 14:56 |
| iophk | and then stick with it for years and years | Oct 29 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | well yes | Oct 29 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | ,but rforating a USB isn't htat hard | Oct 29 14:56 |
| iophk | if they were learners they would hav emoved on to another OS | Oct 29 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | either way may get some coming for free swag | Oct 29 14:57 |
| iophk | reformatting occurs automatically when Windows can't read the device | Oct 29 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | usb sticks | Oct 29 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | to format | Oct 29 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: are you sure it wil just reforat the USB stick if it can't read | Oct 29 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Oct 29 14:57 |
| iophk | Yes | Oct 29 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | well that' no good either if that's so | Oct 29 14:57 |
| iophk | I've had to stop people from reformatting them | Oct 29 14:57 |
| iophk | even *after* I warned them | Oct 29 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | it ruins the remaster or whatever is on it | Oct 29 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | if they stick it in windows and yep | Oct 29 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | bye bye what we gave them | Oct 29 14:58 |
| iophk | even "skilled" people just press OK on WIndows dialog boxes | Oct 29 14:58 |
| MinceR | try it with a FAT32-based SLAX LiveUSB | Oct 29 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: people don't unmount usb's either in general | Oct 29 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | when they shoul relaly | Oct 29 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | I think CD R's and DVD's are a load cheaper | Oct 29 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | to buy lots of them as well | Oct 29 14:58 |
| iophk | Do the sticks have a read-only switch? | Oct 29 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | I don't know | Oct 29 14:58 |
| iophk | CD-R is like 0.02 EUR at some web sites | Oct 29 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | even in the shops here | Oct 29 14:59 |
| MinceR | usb flashes don't tend to have read-only switches | Oct 29 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | it's not that bad in general for a pack | Oct 29 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | well depends a bit, ut yeah | Oct 29 14:59 |
| iophk | http://www.luxdisc.com/-c-4828_831_189.html | Oct 29 14:59 |
| MinceR | full-size sd cards do, though | Oct 29 14:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.luxdisc.com | CD-R 700 MB blank - Jaydisc - CDRohlinge24*** CD-Rohlinge, DVD-Rohlinge, bedruckbare-Rohlinge und [ http://ur1.ca/fye6o ] | Oct 29 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: why ae you giving me euros | Oct 29 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I thought you were in USA? | Oct 29 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | we use pounds here in UK BY THE WAY | Oct 29 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | £ | Oct 29 14:59 |
| iophk | For while alonger | Oct 29 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | £££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££3 | Oct 29 14:59 |
| iophk | :> | Oct 29 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | £ | Oct 29 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | ££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££3 | Oct 29 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: where do you live? | Oct 29 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: MinceR MinceR MinceR MinceR ok that's more fun :D | Oct 29 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: iophk iophk iophk iophk iophk iophk iophkii iophk iophki iophki | Oct 29 15:00 |
| iophk | sebsebsebsebsebsebsebsebsebsebsebsebsebsebseb | Oct 29 15:00 |
| iophk | sebsebseb sebsebseb sebsebseb | Oct 29 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | uh did one in wrong hannel uh | Oct 29 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | [14:59] <sebsebseb> 3458923983278932rueuiweoiruweoruweoiur | Oct 29 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | 349w8r7werouwepruweoruew | Oct 29 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | anyway yeah buying a laod of CD R's or DVD R's may be better | Oct 29 15:01 |
| iophk | Yes, and they can be burned on demand | Oct 29 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Oct 29 15:01 |
| iophk | You can make that part of the demo, in the background while showing the DE and the other apps | Oct 29 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | I think that was the origna idea to havevsoe pre burnt USB's etc and then make ore if needed | Oct 29 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and I should be able to stock up a bit on officcal Mageia looking CD's at FOSDEM 2014 :) | Oct 29 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | and ca get them sent in for Ubuntu for exampe, and ene OPen SUse | Oct 29 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | not sure about Mint | Oct 29 15:02 |
| iophk | The USBs can be door prizes, but I doubt anyone that is a WIndows user would figure out how to boot from USB. In fact most old computers can't | Oct 29 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | well they have a idea to have a boot CD | Oct 29 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | with Grub or whatever | Oct 29 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | then stick the USB stick in | Oct 29 15:03 |
| iophk | You should find those people that left, if you get along with them , and organize an installfest | Oct 29 15:03 |
| sebsebseb | and boot it like that | Oct 29 15:03 |
| sebsebseb | instead of going into the bios | Oct 29 15:03 |
| iophk | Booting with CD is familiar even to Windows users | Oct 29 15:03 |
| iophk | Same for DVD if their drive supports it. | Oct 29 15:03 |
| sebsebseb | oh the guy who left, he only went to one LUG meeting so don't really know him | Oct 29 15:03 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think it's goo to have both maybe, CD/DVD too boot form and some USB's to? | Oct 29 15:03 |
| sebsebseb | have it all be prepared | Oct 29 15:03 |
| MinceR | OTOH, optical drives are getting less common :> | Oct 29 15:03 |
| sebsebseb | no CD drive in a netbook though yeah | Oct 29 15:04 |
| iophk | MinceR: On new machines they are becoming rare | Oct 29 15:04 |
| MinceR | it's been a while since i installed an OS from an optical disk | Oct 29 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | I have thought maybe I should bring along my own portable CD/DVD drive | Oct 29 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | that I use with my netbook | Oct 29 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I am still doing that | Oct 29 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | I am old fashioned like that | Oct 29 15:04 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 29 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | even bought a externa CD/DVD drive for that | Oct 29 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | for the netbook | Oct 29 15:04 |
| MinceR | my home server, netbook and tablet pc don't have optical drives | Oct 29 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | no opitcal drive in this netbook | Oct 29 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yes neither does ine | Oct 29 15:05 |
| sebsebseb | so I got round that | Oct 29 15:05 |
| sebsebseb | by buyig a external one | Oct 29 15:05 |
| sebsebseb | that's how I have insatlled Linux on here from that :d | Oct 29 15:05 |
| sebsebseb | not those uhmm modern USB boos | Oct 29 15:05 |
| iophk | Just think about all those music CDs. One year soon they will be looked at like those cassette tapes that got tossed. | Oct 29 15:05 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: starting to go that way slowly now | Oct 29 15:05 |
| sebsebseb | espeicaly with the cloud | Oct 29 15:06 |
| sebsebseb | ITunes | Oct 29 15:06 |
| sebsebseb | Spotify et | Oct 29 15:06 |
| sebsebseb | Last.fm | Oct 29 15:06 |
| sebsebseb | librefm | Oct 29 15:06 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR fm | Oct 29 15:06 |
| iophk | It will go slowly for a while then the end for the CDs will come quickly. | Oct 29 15:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk rock box! | Oct 29 15:06 |
| iophk | I already see them heavily discounted online. | Oct 29 15:06 |
| iophk | I wonder if I should waste money on more | Oct 29 15:06 |
| sebsebseb | DVD 's are stil selling | Oct 29 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | and blue ray | Oct 29 15:07 |
| iophk | Bluray is something else | Oct 29 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | streaming movies hasn't quite hit off properly | Oct 29 15:07 |
| iophk | HD and Bluray are about the same thing both use the M$ codec | Oct 29 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | Sony has Blueray | Oct 29 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | ady eah it's A DRM thing | Oct 29 15:08 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah above | Oct 29 15:08 |
| iophk | I probably won't ever own one on purpose | Oct 29 15:08 |
| MinceR | VC-1? | Oct 29 15:08 |
| sebsebseb | I sort of nearlly bought one the other week | Oct 29 15:08 |
| sebsebseb | I really do mean sort of here | Oct 29 15:08 |
| sebsebseb | since the fllm was in two boxes onceh ad more stuff | Oct 29 15:08 |
| sebsebseb | turns out the smaller box was the bueray with htat bit ore or whatever | Oct 29 15:08 |
| sebsebseb | not been in a shop like that for ages, so I had forgototn that blueray is in a smaller box or whatever | Oct 29 15:09 |
| sebsebseb | I shold watch that film | Oct 29 15:09 |
| sebsebseb | stil not sen it | Oct 29 15:09 |
| iophk | sebsebseb: are there any computer show / conferences in your area during the next month? | Oct 29 15:15 |
| iophk | Going to one can get you an idea of who's out there that might come to a demo or installfest | Oct 29 15:15 |
| iophk | If it does not cost too much you could have a table there demoing Mageia | Oct 29 15:18 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3225979 | Oct 29 16:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: New Scientist: Has the time come to abandon online anonymity? http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22029401.700-has-the-time-come-to-abandon-online-anonymity.html#.Um_ZV7PsS00/ No, fight back! http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24477-firefox-plugin-reveals-who-is-tracking-your-surfing.html#.Um_ZTLPsS00 | Oct 29 16:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.newscientist.com | Has the time come to abandon online anonymity? - opinion - 25 October 2013 - New Scientist [ http://ur1.ca/fyekr ] | Oct 29 16:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.newscientist.com | Firefox plug-in reveals who is tracking your surfing - tech - 28 October 2013 - New Scientist [ http://ur1.ca/fyekt ] | Oct 29 16:31 |
| schestowitz_bed | "'got it, just worrying :-)" | Oct 29 16:31 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395216689908170752 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395221952656580608 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395222346111672320 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395222770898173952 | Oct 29 16:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: I won the bid for Tux Machines, my favourite site for GNU/Linux news. I will try my best to serve its community well. | Oct 29 16:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Torrent Site Admin Who Turned Pigsty into Datacenter Jailed for a Year http://t.co/CZUTwWgJZf #torrent #internet | Oct 29 16:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> torrentfreak.com | Torrent Site Admin Who Turned Pigsty into Datacenter Jailed for a Year | TorrentFreak | Oct 29 16:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: New Scientist: Has the time come to abandon online anonymity? http://t.co/LtGL8o5Sjm No, fight back! http://t.co/nD02bh9OTq | Oct 29 16:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: People who are against anonymity portray the anonymous as "trolls"&if also against privacy (correlation there) say these are "terrorists". | Oct 29 16:39 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395223057465638912 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395223057465638912 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395223318321971200 | Oct 29 16:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Privacy needed to express controversial opinions before/in case those opinions become acceptable. Women voters, anti-slavery, pro-cannabis.. | Oct 29 16:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Operating systems want to be free http://t.co/Z3I4Uzor5a "Two of the three major desktop operating systems are now free." | Oct 29 16:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.infoworld.com | Operating systems want to be free | Data Center - InfoWorld | Oct 29 16:40 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395223501092974592 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395226610921926656 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395226874491990016 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395227139886575616 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395227389791592448 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395227870991503361 | Oct 29 16:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Reflections On The Long Fight Against The #Copyright #Monopoly – And What You Can Do http://t.co/xCH4fa3gDE no need for monopolies | Oct 29 16:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> torrentfreak.com | Reflections On The Long Fight Against The Copyright Monopoly – And What You Can Do | TorrentFreak | Oct 29 16:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: For debate about crushing online anonymity look at South Korea. It wanted to require ID online and then there's this https://t.co/K5y1MtkwiB | Oct 29 16:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> blog.torproject.org | Online Anonymity Debate in South Korea | The Tor Blog | Oct 29 16:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Today at lunch had another debate with another older person to whom #surveillance is "good" because... TERRORISM. Using #NSA talking points. | Oct 29 16:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The "T" word is real argument winner and the spies know it; never mind espionage. Those of us who are still outraged at NSA may be minority. | Oct 29 16:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The discussion about privacy, anonymity etc. needs to improve. Right now a lot of simple-minded people will lean towards the PR of spies. | Oct 29 16:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Just because 'tech' people agree about #surveillance doesn't mean that less technical people will 'get' it.They grow up on James Bond films. | Oct 29 16:42 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/mcscx/status/395233695030063104 | Oct 29 17:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @mcscx: @schestowitz OSX is only free as in beer, not libre.You also have to have an Apple store acct to dl it.I see no big diff to when it cost €30 | Oct 29 17:02 |
| schestowitz_bed | yes, not my words | Oct 29 17:02 |
| iophk | It looks like they're pushing hard to get every OS X user into signing up for a Apple Store account. | Oct 29 17:03 |
| iophk | There might be a way around it, but most will just fill in the form and sign up | Oct 29 17:03 |
| iophk | Mavericks has a lot of problems, so there would be blowback if they charged for it and pushed the Apple Store issue . I think that getting new accounts is their main goal here. | Oct 29 17:04 |
| iophk | If 10.10 sucks, too, that will be 2 in a row and some of the aura will wear off. | Oct 29 17:06 |
| sebsebseb | yeah there's sme sort of OS X and Linus news or something I think, looked brieflly at http://linuxtoday.com earlier | Oct 29 17:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.linuxtoday.com | Linux Today - Linux News On Internet Time. | Oct 29 17:06 |
| sebsebseb | ,but not read articles | Oct 29 17:06 |
| iophk | sebsebseb, AFAIK that has been the Torvalds quote about it not mattering that Apple is making it free-of-charge. | Oct 29 17:08 |
| iophk | It is the least interesting topic or question in the whole video. | Oct 29 17:08 |
| iophk | I'm not sure why the news glommed on to it. | Oct 29 17:08 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they are makingw hat free of charge | Oct 29 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | like I said I haven't read stuff | Oct 29 17:09 |
| iophk | Software is not going to be sold as such any more. That was just a passing phase. | Oct 29 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | they are giing OS X away free | Oct 29 17:09 |
| iophk | http://www.blinkenlights.com/classiccmp/gateswhine.html | Oct 29 17:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.blinkenlights.com | Bill Gates' Open Letter to Hobbyists [ http://ur1.ca/3rqok ] | Oct 29 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Oct 29 17:10 |
| iophk | Giving it away free just helps sell hardware. | Oct 29 17:10 |
| iophk | Like with the Android phones | Oct 29 17:10 |
| iophk | or, we hope, the Ubuntu phones. | Oct 29 17:10 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: what they are reay giving OS X away freel | Oct 29 17:10 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Oct 29 17:10 |
| sebsebseb | links > | Oct 29 17:10 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Oct 29 17:10 |
| iophk | !google os x mavericks free | Oct 29 17:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - OS X Mavericks now available as a free download | The Verge | http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/22/4865858/os-x-10-9-mavericks-release-date-price | Oct 29 17:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - 6 Theories on Why Apple's OS X Mavericks Is Free [SUNDAY COMIC] | http://mashable.com/2013/10/27/os-x-mavericks-comic/ | Oct 29 17:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Yes, OS X Mavericks Is Free. Wait, No It Isn't — Or Is It? | TIME.com | http://techland.time.com/2013/10/24/yes-os-x-mavericks-is-free-wait-no-it-isnt-or-is-it/ | Oct 29 17:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Mac App Store - OS X Mavericks - iTunes - Apple | https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/os-x-mavericks/id675248567%3Fmt%3D12 | Oct 29 17:10 |
| sebsebseb | Maverick is the latest version | Oct 29 17:10 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Oct 29 17:10 |
| iophk | Hmm.Different results. | Oct 29 17:10 |
| iophk | Yes "mavericks" is the latest one. | Oct 29 17:11 |
| iophk | 10.9 | Oct 29 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | will it run a standard PC? | Oct 29 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | ru on | Oct 29 17:11 |
| iophk | There is "hackintosh" | Oct 29 17:11 |
| iophk | but the software is designed to inhibit running on non-Apple hardware | Oct 29 17:12 |
| iophk | cracking it is not a good thing. Most modern Linux distros are better now. | Oct 29 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ok read the verge link | Oct 29 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | it's just a free upgrade | Oct 29 17:13 |
| iophk | A while back M$ was talking about giving away hardware and selling the OS and Apps. We'll see how that plays out. | Oct 29 17:13 |
| iophk | Yes, free 'upgrade' | Oct 29 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | to those already running Snow Leapord that's all | Oct 29 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: it doesnt' mean we can just download it | Oct 29 17:13 |
| iophk | And more recent versions | Oct 29 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | those not running OS X | Oct 29 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | and put it on a pC | Oct 29 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Oct 29 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Oct 29 17:13 |
| iophk | No. Of course not | Oct 29 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | or does it? | Oct 29 17:13 |
| iophk | It's for OS X users. | Oct 29 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: exactlly it's jut a free upgrade | Oct 29 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | li | Oct 29 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | not them giing the OS completly away free as in price | Oct 29 17:14 |
| iophk | Only to those that have already bought an Apple machine... | Oct 29 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | yep exactly | Oct 29 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | and realy it will be like a service pack in Wndows I guess | Oct 29 17:14 |
| iophk | But the buzz does distract from some of the major problems. | Oct 29 17:14 |
| iophk | The mail app broke, the sRGB broke, | Oct 29 17:14 |
| iophk | and a few other things | Oct 29 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | what's sRGB | Oct 29 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | I don' use Mac | Oct 29 17:15 |
| iophk | the color is going to hurt graphics designers | Oct 29 17:15 |
| iophk | http://www.w3.org/Graphics/Color/sRGB.html | Oct 29 17:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.w3.org | A Standard Default Color Space for the Internet - sRGB [ http://ur1.ca/fyeu9 ] | Oct 29 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | huh? | Oct 29 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | oh the web design thing | Oct 29 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | RGB right | Oct 29 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: anyway it'sjust a free upgrade | Oct 29 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | for thoser running Mac | Oct 29 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | makes sense | Oct 29 17:15 |
| iophk | yes | Oct 29 17:15 |
| iophk | nothing more | Oct 29 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | they did't give the whole OS away as freeware | Oct 29 17:16 |
| iophk | I seem to recall reading about them giving iWorks away. | Oct 29 17:16 |
| sebsebseb | oh and with a way to easilly make it run on standard PC to | Oct 29 17:16 |
| sebsebseb | and then be like | Oct 29 17:16 |
| iophk | That is a bigger deal. | Oct 29 17:16 |
| sebsebseb | oh software own't sell so well | Oct 29 17:16 |
| sebsebseb | you canbuy our hardware | Oct 29 17:16 |
| sebsebseb | Iworks sounds vagulay fmailur, for web design or something? | Oct 29 17:16 |
| iophk | Selling closed source software was only a passing phase, I think | Oct 29 17:17 |
| sebsebseb | makes senes to have a free upgrade to latest OS | Oct 29 17:17 |
| sebsebseb | kill offf prevoius installs | Oct 29 17:17 |
| iophk | iWork has a word processor, spreadsheet and presentation graphics | Oct 29 17:17 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | Oct 29 17:17 |
| iophk | I haven't seen it in ages but it is around | Oct 29 17:17 |
| MinceR | hypeWorks is an office suite | Oct 29 17:17 |
| iophk | MinceR is more up on it. | Oct 29 17:17 |
| MinceR | the only thing i've seen of it (without knowing that it's part of hypeWorks) is keynote, the presentation app | Oct 29 17:17 |
| sebsebseb | hypewor is that a joke | Oct 29 17:17 |
| sebsebseb | hyped up office suite | Oct 29 17:17 |
| MinceR | which is extremely crap | Oct 29 17:17 |
| MinceR | yes | Oct 29 17:17 |
| sebsebseb | Libre Office for the win | Oct 29 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | and Open Offfice kind of too since under Apache | Oct 29 17:18 |
| MinceR | you can replace the 'i' prefix in any crApple product with 'hype' to get a more accurate meaning, usually with a similar pronunciation | Oct 29 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | and there's that uhmmm well Koffice got re named to Caligra or something | Oct 29 17:18 |
| MinceR | Calligra | Oct 29 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | and there's Abiword and Gnumeric | Oct 29 17:18 |
| MinceR | there's also Gnome Office | Oct 29 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | yes Abiwrod and Gu | Oct 29 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | Gum | Oct 29 17:18 |
| MinceR | of which AbiWord and Gnumeric are components | Oct 29 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | Gnumeric | Oct 29 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Oct 29 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | GOffice is those two | Oct 29 17:19 |
| MinceR | (along with Dia, Evolution and i don't know what else) | Oct 29 17:19 |
| sebsebseb | there's also MinceR 's off suite which is aweome, and iophk 's amazing web design and coding program, both of which are sort of cross, but not for Windows and Mac OS X, only for Linux distros and BSD | Oct 29 17:19 |
| sebsebseb | they hate Microsoft and Apple too much, to port their programs over there you see | Oct 29 17:20 |
| sebsebseb | sort of cross platform aove | Oct 29 17:20 |
| MinceR | huh? | Oct 29 17:20 |
| MinceR | i have no office suite | Oct 29 17:20 |
| iophk | I thought it was technically too difficult to built apps for Windows | Oct 29 17:20 |
| iophk | also, at least in the old days, NDAs prohibited work on other platforms | Oct 29 17:20 |
| iophk | so you had to have a completely separate team if not more | Oct 29 17:21 |
| MinceR | i use LaTeX for my word processing, Beamer for presentations | Oct 29 17:21 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR ' ofice suite for LInux and BSD only and a good combo with that is iophk 's amazing web design and coding program, again LInux and BSD only | Oct 29 17:21 |
| MinceR | i have the beginnings of a design for a spreadsheet replacement | Oct 29 17:21 |
| MinceR | in my mind | Oct 29 17:21 |
| sebsebseb | they both hate Micrsooft and Apple to much to port hte over there as I alread put | Oct 29 17:21 |
| sebsebseb | Mincer 's office suite is better than Libre Office and Open Office, but hardly anone knows about it, so they are stll more popular | Oct 29 17:22 |
| sebsebseb | altough Ubuntu was thinking about replacing Open Office with MinceR 's ffice sute at one stage instead | Oct 29 17:22 |
| iophk | Nice out-of-context quote: "software is something to share" | Oct 29 17:22 |
| iophk | http://www.blinkenlights.com/classiccmp/gateswhine.html | Oct 29 17:22 |
| sebsebseb | ,but they thought Libre Ofice would be better to go for, for obvios reasons | Oct 29 17:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.blinkenlights.com | Bill Gates' Open Letter to Hobbyists [ http://ur1.ca/3rqok ] | Oct 29 17:22 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: what are you on? | Oct 29 17:23 |
| iophk | nitrous | Oct 29 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | as for iophk 's web design and coding program, it's better than emac,s vi, vim, and all those not that great web design programs for Linux that are commonly known, this program can also change itself into both a GUI and a command line type program running in it' own terminal, depending on what the user wants, so yeah it's awesome, but hardly known about sadly | Oct 29 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: a GUI and a terminal program, that's awesome what you made there :d | Oct 29 17:24 |
| MinceR | it's called vim | Oct 29 17:25 |
| MinceR | and gvim | Oct 29 17:25 |
| iophk | no kvim? | Oct 29 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | no no iophk 's program is better than all that | Oct 29 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | it's aweome | Oct 29 17:25 |
| MinceR | it was called something else | Oct 29 17:25 |
| MinceR | i forgot what | Oct 29 17:25 |
| iophk | M$ Silverlake : http://www.streetinsider.com/Mergers+and+Acquisitions/Dell+%28DELL%29+Go-Private+Deal+is+Complete/8820909.html | Oct 29 17:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.streetinsider.com | Dell (DELL) Go-Private Deal is Complete [ http://ur1.ca/fyexo ] | Oct 29 17:25 |
| MinceR | yzis, perhaps | Oct 29 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | so good that Steve Balmmer well MIcrooft tried to buy the rights to iophk 's program, so they could close it down, or for some strange reason port to Windows, I guess they reolised that the command prompt in Windows sucks | Oct 29 17:26 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: how much were they going to pay you again? I forgot | Oct 29 17:27 |
| sebsebseb | 50 million dollers or something crazy like that wasn't it? | Oct 29 17:27 |
| sebsebseb | ,but you still refused since so loyal to openource/freesoftware etc :) | Oct 29 17:27 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: iophk this time of year sucks dark early | Oct 29 17:29 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah | Oct 29 17:29 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395229452487368704 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395229913445584897 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395230817586520064 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395232445232316416 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395233243550978049 | Oct 29 17:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: FSF: FSF joins thousands in DC to tell NSA: "Stop Watching Us!" https://t.co/BJf3lJ9sjk #fsf | Oct 29 17:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.fsf.org | FSF joins thousands in DC to tell NSA: "Stop Watching Us!" — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software | Oct 29 17:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "NSA-free" https://t.co/e5rydj2vrX | Oct 29 17:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Noam Chomsky: How the U.S.-Mexico Border Is Cruel by Design http://t.co/JYOirkX0YC #mexico #us | Oct 29 17:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.alternet.org | Noam Chomsky: How the U.S.-Mexico Border Is Cruel by Design | Alternet | Oct 29 17:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Lessig dumps #keynote after getting pissed off at #apple http://t.co/IcIotvdi9a maybe time for #gnu #linux and #privacy | Oct 29 17:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.lessig.org | Keynote, we hardly knew you | Lessig | Oct 29 17:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Jamaica Ministry of Health adopts GNU Health http://t.co/nZtCdCKedD #health #gnu #freedom #sharing #jamaica | Oct 29 17:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> linuxmednews.com | Jamaica Ministry of Health adopts GNU Health | Oct 29 17:29 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395233655104491521 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395233655104491521 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395236035581706240 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395236894189293568 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395237572588605440 | Oct 29 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "After nine years and with billions already spent, doomed [proprietary] computer system is abandoned" http://t.co/6vbCv24Odq #nhs #uk | Oct 29 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.independent.co.uk | NHS pulls the plug on its £11bn IT system - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent | Oct 29 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "The primary difficulty of cyber security isn't technology -- it's policy." https://t.co/LbIGOwhA2a #security #privacy | Oct 29 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.schneier.com | Schneier on Security: Understanding the Threats in Cyberspace | Oct 29 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The Raspberry Pi: Is it REALLY the saviour of British computing? http://t.co/OqiAyICscZ #linux #uk | Oct 29 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theregister.co.uk | The Raspberry Pi: Is it REALLY the saviour of British computing? • The Register | Oct 29 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: GIMP review: This free image editor is no longer a crippled alternative to Photoshop http://t.co/5ku4Y1f63M it never was... | Oct 29 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.extremetech.com | GIMP review: This free image editor is no longer a crippled alternative to Photoshop | ExtremeTech | Oct 29 17:30 |
| MinceR | indeed, it never was | Oct 29 17:31 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395235448593084416 | Oct 29 17:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The First Development Release of GNOME Notes 3.12 Arrives http://t.co/gNFKKIllnH #gnu #gnome #linux | Oct 29 17:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | The First Development Release of GNOME Notes 3.12 Arrives | Oct 29 17:32 |
| iophk | Speaking of iWorks / Keynote | Oct 29 17:32 |
| iophk | http://www.lessig.org/2013/10/keynote-we-hardly-knew-you/ | Oct 29 17:32 |
| schestowitz_bed | I tweeted this | Oct 29 17:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | an hour ago | Oct 29 17:33 |
| iophk | yes I just saw that | Oct 29 17:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | Gore uses it also | Oct 29 17:33 |
| iophk | it ties into what MinceR was saying | Oct 29 17:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | and got ridiculed for doing about global warming little more than a Keynote presentation | Oct 29 17:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | or PowerPoint | Oct 29 17:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | some say... | Oct 29 17:33 |
| iophk | Some call everything a "Powerpoint" | Oct 29 17:34 |
| iophk | I'd say some organized people could probably pull the trademark off it. | Oct 29 17:34 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226442 | Oct 29 17:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: GIMP review: This free image editor is no longer a crippled alternative to Photoshop http://www.extremetech.com/computing/169620-gimp-review-no-longer-a-crippled-alternative-to-photoshop it never was... | Oct 29 17:35 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226442 | Oct 29 17:35 |
| schestowitz_bed | "exactly it never was!" | Oct 29 17:35 |
| schestowitz_bed | iophk: like "google' | Oct 29 17:35 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226357 | Oct 29 17:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ## [The artificial womb](http://beforeitsnews.com/science-and-technology/2013/10/the-artificial-womb-is-born-and-the-world-of-the-matrix-begins-2647320.html) | Oct 29 17:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> beforeitsnews.com | The Artificial Womb Is Born And The World of the Matrix begins | Science and Technology [ http://ur1.ca/fyf03 ] | Oct 29 17:35 |
| schestowitz_bed | "That is creepy" | Oct 29 17:35 |
| iophk | "brave new world" | Oct 29 17:38 |
| iophk | decanting new people | Oct 29 17:38 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: article mentioning how GIMp is set up diffenrety by defaut not in a frame thing, then showing stuff in framed mode | Oct 29 17:39 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: the normal mode makes it more interesting really, when not seen a program that does things like that | Oct 29 17:39 |
| sebsebseb | I guess | Oct 29 17:39 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah Windows and OS X users used to frame mode so | Oct 29 17:39 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: i thought they showed the CSDI mode | Oct 29 17:40 |
| MinceR | just the toolboxes are moved above the image window | Oct 29 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | the what mode? | Oct 29 17:40 |
| MinceR | CSDI | Oct 29 17:41 |
| MinceR | the reasonable GUI, as opposed to the mess of a GUI that was modeled on photoshop | Oct 29 17:41 |
| MinceR | Controlled Single Document Interface | Oct 29 17:41 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz_bed: as fr GNOME notes uh right, but not that exciting realy | Oct 29 17:42 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://plus.google.com/109027644713767623413/posts/WRxdU56WdbN | Oct 29 18:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | plus.google.com | Swapnil Bhartiya - Google+ - In times like these when spying by these two countries is… [ http://ur1.ca/fyf7k ] | Oct 29 18:07 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 18:08 |
| schestowitz_bed | Some not so obvious arguments is that data retention policies can be changed at any time without the user knowing. Heafner conflates this collection with authentication services. That might not be fair now, but it could be later. | Oct 29 18:08 |
| schestowitz_bed | The main point is that the user should always be in control and have a clear way to opt out each time they search. We all expect that from free software and Canonical. Why is the company dragging it's feet on this? | Oct 29 18:08 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 18:08 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395250242893139968 | Oct 29 18:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Canonical staff bites back at article about #ubuntu #privacy but evidence supports the critics, not Canonical https://t.co/Te97ilYniv | Oct 29 18:09 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226573 | Oct 29 18:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical staff bites back at article about #ubuntu #privacy but evidence supports the critics, not Canonical https://plus.google.com/109027644713767623413/posts/WRxdU56WdbN | Oct 29 18:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | "The sooner Canonical and Ubuntu collapse the better." | Oct 29 18:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3224038 | Oct 29 18:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: CNN on those 'poor' #drone 'pilots' http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/25/confessions-of-an-american-drone-warrior/ "The “video game” aspect of his job was reinforced by his trainers, he said." | Oct 29 18:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> amanpour.blogs.cnn.com | Confessions of an American drone warrior – Amanpour - CNN.com Blogs [ http://ur1.ca/fyfbj ] | Oct 29 18:21 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 18:22 |
| schestowitz_bed | GQ had a better write up. He wanted to be a hero and do good things. Perhaps the best thing he's done is to tell his story. Now he wants to be an EMT so he can take care of injured people but he will forever be haunted by the helpless people he killed from safety. | Oct 29 18:22 |
| schestowitz_bed | I understand how it's being used for propaganda purposes, but it also brings out the reality of what the US is doing so that we can oppose it. This man was responsible for more than 1,600 assassinations, basically one a day. Most people don't know that thousands of people have been killed this way. One of the people who did it is telling us it's wrong. | Oct 29 18:22 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 18:22 |
| schestowitz_bed | it's useful when even those who kill turn against the actions they committed. It helps show the sceptics are right. | Oct 29 18:28 |
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| iophk | peak iPhone | Oct 29 18:33 |
| iophk | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/10/bloodbath-results-latest-apple-quarter-more-evidence-of-peak-iphone.html | Oct 29 18:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Bloodbath Results, Latest Apple Quarter - More evidence of Peak iPhone [ http://ur1.ca/fyfe7 ] | Oct 29 18:33 |
| iophk | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/10/usa-freedom-act/ | Oct 29 18:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | Legislation Unveiled to Bar NSA's Bulk Phone Metadata Collection | Threat Level | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/fyffe ] | Oct 29 18:38 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIJrsAIhoEo | Oct 29 18:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Steve Hughes on Jobs - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fyfgy ] | Oct 29 18:43 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226420 | Oct 29 18:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "The primary difficulty of cyber security isn't technology -- it's policy." https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/10/understanding_t_2.html #security #privacy | Oct 29 18:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.schneier.com | Schneier on Security: Understanding the Threats in Cyberspace [ http://ur1.ca/fyfhy ] | Oct 29 18:48 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Is he still a Windows user?" | Oct 29 18:48 |
| Sosumi | moronicks is so good that it even feature memory leakeage | Oct 29 18:51 |
| Sosumi | 10.24 GB gone from a pool of 24GB in don't know what | Oct 29 18:52 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 29 18:52 |
| Sosumi | probably the NSA is offloading something into my testing machine | Oct 29 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Oct 29 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | While I was out getting my hair cut, this morbidly obese man walks in wearing overalls and smelling of animal feces, and sits right down in the chair next to mine. | Oct 29 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | I was busy trying not to throw up. So was the lady that was cutting my hair. | Oct 29 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | Finally, she was like "Would you like a shampoo?" | Oct 29 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | Why yes, yes I would. Please get me out of here. | Oct 29 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | It's like... Mein Gott in Himmel! Was hier starb!? Go to the cheap dollar store and get a bar of soap. | Oct 29 18:52 |
| Sosumi | and nop, nothing on the activity monitor either | Oct 29 18:53 |
| Sosumi | lawl what a joke | Oct 29 18:53 |
| Sosumi | caused by matlab/java runtime 6/xquartz since it was a restart and I was benching the thing | Oct 29 18:56 |
| Sosumi | but never had this happen in 10.6 (last good osx) and previous versions | Oct 29 18:56 |
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| sebsebseb | Oct 29 18:59 | |
| sebsebseb | ./join #mageia-social | Oct 29 18:59 |
| schestowitz_bed | oops | Oct 29 19:00 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz_bed: to what? | Oct 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz_bed | failure to type the command | Oct 29 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | yeah, but ah wel | Oct 29 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | l | Oct 29 19:01 |
| schestowitz_bed | unless it was intentiobal | Oct 29 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | no it wasn't | Oct 29 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz_bed: uh I am cold today | Oct 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz_bed | "The whole LAN interface is not working for me." | Oct 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz_bed | sebsebseb: flu? | Oct 29 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | I don't like it when it gets cold | Oct 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz_bed | or justa c old'? | Oct 29 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz_bed: no | Oct 29 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | the weahter | Oct 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz_bed | ah, stay warm | Oct 29 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | it's not summer anymore | Oct 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz_bed | avoid people ;-) | Oct 29 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | yeah trying too, but not much luck today | Oct 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226573 | Oct 29 19:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical staff bites back at article about #ubuntu #privacy but evidence supports the critics, not Canonical https://plus.google.com/109027644713767623413/posts/WRxdU56WdbN | Oct 29 19:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> plus.google.com | Swapnil Bhartiya - Google+ - In times like these when spying by these two countries is… [ http://ur1.ca/fyf7k ] | Oct 29 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | I am sensitive to cold it seems, I mean doesn't take much and I am feeling cold | Oct 29 19:03 |
| schestowitz_bed | "I'd rather Canonical did what's right than collapse. They can do it if they want." | Oct 29 19:03 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Why keep them around why not let them keep going down this road, at some point people will get wise and leave them and go back to a different distro." | Oct 29 19:03 |
| Sosumi | and opengl is almost on par on winblows, still 7 to 10 fps difference in WoW | Oct 29 19:03 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3224050 | Oct 29 19:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I feel bad for people who think that DuckDuckGo gives them #privacy while hosted on/by strong #CIA partner #Amazon http://techrights.org/2013/10/23/false-sense-of-privacy/ | Oct 29 19:03 |
| Sosumi | took 3 years for that to happen | Oct 29 19:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Apple’s Latest Bogus Claims Give False Sense of Privacy, Paint iMessage as ‘Secure’ | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fxlok ] | Oct 29 19:03 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Thanks, Roy, I've enjoyed putting those things in one place and hope it's helpful. Right now, I'm working on why people should not trust Bing and Microsoft in general. I touched on Bing's bias in my DDG write up but there is so much to Microsoft's corruption of press, universities, conferences, etc. Microsoft is an extremely subversive and dangerous force in the world. Techrights is an excellent resource when looking for source | Oct 29 19:03 |
| schestowitz_bed | documents and good interpretation.| | Oct 29 19:03 |
| schestowitz_bed | "and you are welcome LostSon. Thanks for reading and let me know if you find any problems with anything." | Oct 29 19:04 |
| Sosumi | *with | Oct 29 19:04 |
| Sosumi | iMessage isn't secure since the NSA as a direct feed into crApple's datacenters | Oct 29 19:04 |
| Sosumi | no mather how well they implemented the system | Oct 29 19:05 |
| Sosumi | court order, or not :) your data isn't safe | Oct 29 19:05 |
| Sosumi | plus iphones and those devices are know to have backdoors | Oct 29 19:05 |
| Sosumi | so what if the device sends a log of all activity, on request, to the snooping agency? | Oct 29 19:06 |
| Sosumi | bypassing all imessage framework | Oct 29 19:07 |
| Sosumi | so, if you don't know how it works | Oct 29 19:07 |
| Sosumi | it can't be trusted | Oct 29 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | That was an awful stench. | Oct 29 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | I'm still cringing from that. | Oct 29 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | How does someone walk around smelling like that? | Oct 29 19:10 |
| Sosumi | what stench? | Oct 29 19:12 |
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| DaemonFC | Sosumi: The guy that walked in while I was getting my hair cut and got the seat next to mine. | Oct 29 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | Smelled like shit. | Oct 29 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 29 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Oct 29 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | Jamie Zawinski is now ranting that Apple made the "move to dropbox" context menu item impossible to remove. | Oct 29 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | It's not impossible to remove. You remove OS X and then it's gone, along with the rest of the garbage. | Oct 29 19:26 |
| Sosumi | which menu? | Oct 29 19:26 |
| Sosumi | I haven't seen any dropbox around | Oct 29 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.jwz.org/blog/2013/10/fuck-dropbox/ | Oct 29 19:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.jwz.org | jwz: Fuck Dropbox. [ http://ur1.ca/fyfnu ] | Oct 29 19:27 |
| Sosumi | ho I see | Oct 29 19:28 |
| Sosumi | moronicks is bad, it grabs some things from unity and kde and changes some UI elements overhall | Oct 29 19:30 |
| Sosumi | alongside the welcome to 2010 much needed graphics improvements | Oct 29 19:30 |
| Sosumi | on another side, safari is still junk and managed to crash a couple of times and memory leaks! | Oct 29 19:31 |
| Sosumi | probably due to xquartz | Oct 29 19:31 |
| Sosumi | which is pretty much deprecated | Oct 29 19:32 |
| Sosumi | although the folks on #xquartz say it's fine and dandy | Oct 29 19:32 |
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| MinceR | jwz can't conceive of 'removing OS X' | Oct 29 19:56 |
| MinceR | he lost his mind ages ago | Oct 29 19:56 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 29 19:58 |
| Sosumi | osx died in 2010 | Oct 29 19:58 |
| MinceR | did something change in it then? | Oct 29 19:58 |
| Sosumi | apple killed the whole pro ecosystem that made it worthwhile consider osx over winblows | Oct 29 19:59 |
| *MinceR snickers | Oct 29 20:00 | |
| MinceR | "pro" in the same sentence as "apple" | Oct 29 20:00 |
| Sosumi | well... | Oct 29 20:00 |
| Sosumi | and then came lion in 2011 | Oct 29 20:01 |
| Sosumi | no updates to the macpro | Oct 29 20:01 |
| Sosumi | no xserve replacement | Oct 29 20:01 |
| Sosumi | and then the trashcan | Oct 29 20:01 |
| Sosumi | which from what I've already said here | Oct 29 20:02 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 29 20:02 |
| Sosumi | uses crippled fire pros | Oct 29 20:02 |
| Sosumi | downclocked, less ram from pc counterparts | Oct 29 20:02 |
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| Sosumi | and it's overpriced | Oct 29 20:04 |
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| DaemonFC | Apple has always had this weird thing about not wanting any fans in their system. | Oct 29 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | If you want a fast graphics card, it's going to have a fan | Oct 29 20:35 |
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| MinceR | i agree with not wanting fans in certain systems, but crApple always fucked that up | Oct 29 20:36 |
| MinceR | starting with the crApple III which melted itself | Oct 29 20:36 |
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| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/ios-apps-can-be-hijacked-to-show-fraudulent-content-and-intercept-data/ | Oct 29 20:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | iOS apps can be hijacked to show fraudulent content and intercept data | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fyfzf ] | Oct 29 20:45 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395257223720747008 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395258257486651392 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395260874983997440 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395260977719291904 | Oct 29 21:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Bloodbath Results, Latest Apple Quarter - More evidence of Peak iPhone http://t.co/9D9ivd1dD9 #linux beats #apple hype | Oct 29 21:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Bloodbath Results, Latest Apple Quarter - More evidence of Peak iPhone | Oct 29 21:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Online #Anonymity Is Not Only for Trolls and Political Dissidents https://t.co/du6SsHfMb8 good article, just in time! | Oct 29 21:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.eff.org | Online Anonymity Is Not Only for Trolls and Political Dissidents | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Nvidia Shield embraces Android games by the thousands http://t.co/nRCxYr9SCz #nvidia #games #linux | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.cnet.com | Nvidia Shield embraces Android games by the thousands | Mobile - CNET News | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Mr. Snowden scores, first major win http://t.co/ndDfcMkh3E | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.wired.com | Legislation Unveiled to Bar NSA's Bulk Phone Metadata Collection | Threat Level | Wired.com | Oct 29 21:12 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395262142662053888 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395263378736025600 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395263617278705665 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395266265218310145 | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: New #Edubuntu 13.10 review http://t.co/CDx5t28AN5 #gnu #linux #education | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> desktoplinuxreviews.com | Edubuntu 13.10 Review: Learning With Ubuntu | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: AMD Gizmo SBC gains open source bootloader http://t.co/FjcrJpFx5m #amd #sbc #freesw | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> linuxgizmos.com | AMD Gizmo SBC gains open source bootloader · LinuxGizmos.com | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Running The Latest GNOME Wayland Shell On Fedora 20 http://t.co/jbMwdUDwTf #gnome #fedora #gnu #linux | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Running The Latest GNOME Wayland Shell On Fedora 20 | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Is the importance of news determined by the number of people to whom it is potentially interesting? Hint: http://t.co/HaqqZple79 | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | Ubuntu 13.10 review: The Linux OS of the future remains a year away | Ars Technica | Oct 29 21:12 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395268303603904513 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395268805230100480 | Oct 29 21:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Starting January 1st, 2014, http://t.co/s1yFA1CGuP will no longer be focused on Linux, Free & Open Source Software" http://t.co/ivzsbNWHQ1 | Oct 29 21:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> penguinpetes.com | Penguin Pete's Home | Oct 29 21:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> penguinpetes.com | Penguin Pete's Blog - It's Been Fun, Linux Community, But It's Time To Move On | Oct 29 21:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Interview: The Fedora Project's Máirín Duffy http://t.co/rZNj70yD25 #fedora #gnu #linux #redhat #art | Oct 29 21:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.montanalinux.org | Interview: The Fedora Project's Máirín Duffy | MontanaLinux.org | Oct 29 21:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3226826 | Oct 29 21:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.joindiaspora.com | Interview: The Fe... [ http://ur1.ca/fyg37 ] | Oct 29 21:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Same here. I think - however - about giving it another try." | Oct 29 21:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | they don't seem to have addressed the issues I had with them... | Oct 29 21:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226766 | Oct 29 21:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: AMD Gizmo SBC gains open source bootloader http://linuxgizmos.com/amd-gizmo-board-gains-open-source-bootloader/ #amd #sbc #freesw | Oct 29 21:14 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226766 | Oct 29 21:14 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Fanless? love iiiit! Go to hell all of you, computer fans! [SIC!] lol" | Oct 29 21:14 |
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| Sosumi | well, phase cooling doesn't need fans | Oct 29 21:19 |
| Sosumi | http://i44.tinypic.com/25znyx0.jpg | Oct 29 21:20 |
| Sosumi | and actually, the trashcan design begs to be phase cooled | Oct 29 21:24 |
| MinceR | it begs to not be cooled. who ever heard of cooling a trashcan? :> | Oct 29 21:24 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 29 21:25 |
| Sosumi | it's the only to keep it from overheating/throtling itself | Oct 29 21:25 |
| Sosumi | while keeping the unified heatsink | Oct 29 21:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226705 | Oct 29 21:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Lets cross our fingers and hope they don't break the law... Again.." | Oct 29 21:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226702 | Oct 29 21:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Ding Ding Ding.... We have a winner..." | Oct 29 21:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Mr. Snowden scores, first major win http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/10/usa-freedom-act/ | Oct 29 21:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Nvidia Shield embraces Android games by the thousands http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57609516-94/nvidia-shield-embraces-android-games-by-the-thousands/ #nvidia #games #linux | Oct 29 21:27 |
| Sosumi | I just wish nvidia sold shield outside the US | Oct 29 21:27 |
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| Sosumi | also, from my math | Oct 29 21:50 |
| Sosumi | the thing maxed may consume a max 700W | Oct 29 21:51 |
| Sosumi | since the psu can only deliver 450W max | Oct 29 21:51 |
| Sosumi | the whole machine'll be competing not just for cooling/throtling but also power | Oct 29 21:52 |
| Sosumi | fail | Oct 29 21:52 |
| Sosumi | it'll be fun to watch for sure | Oct 29 21:59 |
| Sosumi | I just hope some dupe that I know buys one | Oct 29 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 29 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | A few years ago when an ex moved out, my credit card went missing. I called the card company and cancelled it, but could never prove who did it. | Oct 29 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | I got a phone call from my credit card company yesterday that said that the card had an attempted swipe at a Walmart in Fort Wayne, and that they denied the transaction and called the police. | Oct 29 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | Guess who. | Oct 29 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | So my phone rings again a while later, and it's Scumbag calling from the Allen County jail.....get this....ASKING ME TO COME POST BAIL. | Oct 29 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | So after a good long laugh, I said "I think you just wasted your phone call." and hung up. | Oct 29 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | Made my entire day. | Oct 29 22:00 |
| Sosumi | so I can test the thing instead of having the crapple self defense force tell that it's "magical" while downplaying the facts | Oct 29 22:00 |
| Sosumi | lol | Oct 29 22:01 |
| MinceR | http://www.maximumpc.com/motorola_and_phoneblocks_kick_modular_phone_movement_project_ara2013 | Oct 29 22:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.maximumpc.com | Motorola and Phoneblocks Kick Off Modular Phone Movement with Project Ara | Maximum PC [ http://ur1.ca/fygc5 ] | Oct 29 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | Well, you can have a very powerful, very fast, very LOUD computer. | Oct 29 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | Or you can have a slow one with no fans at all. | Oct 29 22:02 |
| Sosumi | lol | Oct 29 22:03 |
| Sosumi | I can barelly hear my pc | Oct 29 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | I'm certain they crippled the FirePro cards to make a fan unnecessary. | Oct 29 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | for the Trashcan Mac | Oct 29 22:03 |
| MinceR | i suppose you could have a cluster of powerful, loud computers in the basement | Oct 29 22:03 |
| MinceR | and stream graphics from it to fanless ones | Oct 29 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | mine's not really all that loud | Oct 29 22:03 |
| MinceR | my laptops are not nearly as loud as my desktops were | Oct 29 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | the open source radeon driver has full power management support now, including fan speed | Oct 29 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | You have to turn it on with a boot option though | Oct 29 22:04 |
| MinceR | my home server is fanless | Oct 29 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | If you don't, it is very loud. | Oct 29 22:04 |
| MinceR | i've ordered a Raspberry Pi yesterday :) | Oct 29 22:04 |
| Sosumi | lolberry pie :) | Oct 29 22:05 |
| Sosumi | of those small boars the only one that got my attention was that other with the co-processor | Oct 29 22:06 |
| Sosumi | I forgot it's name | Oct 29 22:06 |
| Sosumi | :( | Oct 29 22:06 |
| Sosumi | but I think it's still a kickstarter project | Oct 29 22:06 |
| Sosumi | altera? | Oct 29 22:10 |
| Sosumi | I think that's an asic | Oct 29 22:11 |
| Sosumi | parallella!!! | Oct 29 22:14 |
| Sosumi | that's the thing | Oct 29 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | http://stallman.org/archives/2013-jul-oct.html#29_October_2013_%28British_Children%29 | Oct 29 22:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | stallman.org | 2013: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman [ http://ur1.ca/fygdk ] | Oct 29 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | So, Republicans and Democrats, kind of? | Oct 29 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 29 22:16 |
| MinceR | http://gawker.com/christian-science-church-looks-like-a-giant-dick-from-s-1454084292 | Oct 29 22:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | gawker.com | Christian Science Church Looks Like a Giant Dick from Space [ http://ur1.ca/fygdm ] | Oct 29 22:16 |
| Sosumi | lawl | Oct 29 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B4suxQVUAQ | Oct 29 22:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Austin Powers - It looks like a huge ..... - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fygdp ] | Oct 29 22:17 |
| Sosumi | actually it looks like a turd | Oct 29 22:17 |
| Sosumi | but it's like I said, the only type of board that coould get my blessing is the parallella/adaptiva | Oct 29 22:21 |
| MinceR | nice | Oct 29 22:27 |
| MinceR | will they have cases for it? | Oct 29 22:27 |
| MinceR | oh, they already do | Oct 29 22:29 |
| DaemonFC | Don't say that. | Oct 29 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | Don't touch there. | Oct 29 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | Don't be nasty says the silly bear. | Oct 29 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | He's gonna tell you what's right and wrong. Sexual Harassment....Panda. | Oct 29 22:32 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 29 22:33 |
| Sosumi | cases? I was thinking in building cabinets of 20 | Oct 29 22:37 |
| Sosumi | well at least if the thing is viable | Oct 29 22:37 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 29 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 29 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | a few seconds ago | Oct 29 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | Every once in a while, the government comes along and puts a fig leaf on their nasty energy policies. That's what happened with Cash For Clunkers. | Oct 29 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | It destroyed hundreds of thousands of perfectly operable used vehicles, and helped drive prices of remaining used cars up. Combined with the effect of the recession on the middle class, used car prices went absolutely nuts. | Oct 29 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | In this market, there has always been a trickle down effect, where the poor can only afford to drive a decent used vehicle because the rich and the middle class get tired of what they were driving and sell a car with more than half of its useful service life remaining, and take a bath with the depreciation. | Oct 29 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | Since credit is so tight, and wages are so stagnant, the people that were getting rid of their cars every 5-6 years are running with what they have, and by the time anything makes it into the used car market, it's pretty much finished. | Oct 29 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | I probably looked through over 1,000 vehicles in my price range before I found one that was acceptable. | Oct 29 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | In 2005, a 1995 model sedan was about $2,000. In 2013, a 1995 model sedan is about $2,000. | Oct 29 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | Sure, some of it is due to currency debauchment by a central banking system that exists to transfer wealth to a privileged few in the top 10%, but there are other factors in play here. | Oct 29 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | When the Fed is doing QE, it's debasing every dollar that exists, which theoretically makes the rich poorer too, but it dumps that new money indirectly into the stock market, which more than makes up for their losses. | Oct 29 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | Eventually, they'll let the people that own lots of stocks know when to sell, and they'll let the people who work for a living and have 401(k)s and pension plans take the entire loss. | Oct 29 22:49 |
| Sosumi | lol that's nothing | Oct 29 23:05 |
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| Sosumi | just look at the EU shoving policies down your troat that after 2020 small appliances can't go over 1600W | Oct 29 23:06 |
| Sosumi | and stuff like that | Oct 29 23:06 |
| Sosumi | or about carbon emissions | Oct 29 23:06 |
| Sosumi | trying to add the carbon tax to the circulation tax | Oct 29 23:07 |
| Sosumi | so if you have an old car, doesn't matter the real emissions | Oct 29 23:07 |
| Sosumi | it just has to be old | Oct 29 23:07 |
| Sosumi | they'll gouge | Oct 29 23:07 |
| Sosumi | you | Oct 29 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | Well, usually when the US government mandates something new, it exempts everything currently in use. | Oct 29 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | Like, you can have a 3 gallon per flush toilet in your bathroom as long as it was installed before 1993. | Oct 29 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | But it's illegal to install a new one, or take one out and install it somewhere else. | Oct 29 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | Cars that required leaded gasoline are still legal to operate. You have to pour bottled lead additive into them with each tank. | Oct 29 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | Cars that never had seatbelts don't need to have them installed. | Oct 29 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | People who drive them can't be fined for not wearing their seatbelt. | Oct 29 23:09 |
| Sosumi | yes, taht is the same here | Oct 29 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | It's not a major problem because there are so few of them left that still run. | Oct 29 23:10 |
| MinceR | 000555 < Sosumi> just look at the EU shoving policies down your troat that after 2020 small appliances can't go over 1600W | Oct 29 23:10 |
| MinceR | i wonder how that's going to cripple some of them | Oct 29 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | Well, if it's a reasonable requirement, it's one thing. | Oct 29 23:11 |
| Sosumi | well it'll take more of your time to vaccum your house | Oct 29 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | If it reduces the functionality of the device, that's something else. | Oct 29 23:11 |
| Sosumi | making you waste more energy, etc, etc | Oct 29 23:11 |
| Sosumi | and so goes the carbon emission drama | Oct 29 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | Like if they say "All new air conditioners have to use less than this much electricity." and that's easily achievable with current technology, and they won't perform any worse.... | Oct 29 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | that's fine | Oct 29 23:12 |
| Sosumi | that's called efficiency | Oct 29 23:12 |
| Sosumi | which is good | Oct 29 23:12 |
| Sosumi | but having vague resolutions | Oct 29 23:12 |
| Sosumi | like that one doesn't really help | Oct 29 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | or "all new windows you install in a dwelling have to have a certain energy efficiency rating" | Oct 29 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | They just redid my entire apartment with high efficiency windows and appliances. | Oct 29 23:13 |
| MinceR | all these restrictions make me wonder if they could have just let the market decide | Oct 29 23:13 |
| MinceR | same with lightbulbs | Oct 29 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | Low flow toilet. It actually works. | Oct 29 23:13 |
| MinceR | if the new tech is that good, surely it must win on its own, without it being forced down people's throats | Oct 29 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Well, I think that CFLs were going to dominate anyway once people noticed how much lower their electric bill would have been. | Oct 29 23:14 |
| MinceR | my toilet is way too low flow | Oct 29 23:14 |
| Sosumi | CFLs need to be disposed properly because of the mercury | Oct 29 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | There's certain places where you can't use a CFL bulb though. | Oct 29 23:15 |
| MinceR | it's more of 'wetting' than 'flushing' | Oct 29 23:15 |
| Sosumi | and not many ppl are doing that | Oct 29 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | Like for porch lights. | Oct 29 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | It gets cold outside and they just barely work. | Oct 29 23:15 |
| MinceR | also, they have crap color reproduction | Oct 29 23:15 |
| MinceR | they make certain brown objects look green, for example | Oct 29 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I stockpiled incandescent bulbs for my porch light. | Oct 29 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | I should have enough of them to last indefinitely, even if they have to stop selling them. | Oct 29 23:16 |
| Sosumi | I did the same | Oct 29 23:16 |
| MinceR | then again, there are halogen bulbs available | Oct 29 23:16 |
| MinceR | at least for now | Oct 29 23:16 |
| Sosumi | halogen and the krypton one | Oct 29 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | Eventually, some bureaucrat will decide that you can't have halogen | Oct 29 23:16 |
| Sosumi | :( | Oct 29 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | The market works. Who wants to pay more to use incandescent bulbs everywhere in their house? | Oct 29 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | and if a person DOES want to spend $100 more each year on electricity, shouldn't they be able to? | Oct 29 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | it is their money | Oct 29 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather have the $100. | Oct 29 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 29 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | Government mandates aren't very effective anyway. | Oct 29 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | Everyone is supposed to have car insurance, but only about 60-75% of drivers in your area do. | Oct 29 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | So they sell you extra insurance in case one of them hits you and can't pay. | Oct 29 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | and the cost of the extra insurance goes up if you live in an area with lots of uninsured drivers | Oct 29 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | So in theory, everyone is supposed to have insurance that pays the other guy if they cause the accident. | Oct 29 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | but in practice, you get to buy extra insurance because some people are irresponsible | Oct 29 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | and you're covering your own loss either way | Oct 29 23:21 |
| MinceR | here such insurance is mandatory | Oct 29 23:21 |
| MinceR | but it isn't worth shit | Oct 29 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | Well, they need to pull uninsured drivers out of their car and have them shot. | Oct 29 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | Drunks too. | Oct 29 23:21 |
| MinceR | since the government agency that's supposed to ensure that these insurance companies are reliable is sleeping at the wheel | Oct 29 23:21 |
| DaemonFC | Eventually, people would get the message. | Oct 29 23:21 |
| MinceR | and when shit breaks, they make a lot of drama | Oct 29 23:21 |
| MinceR | instead of doing their own fucking job | Oct 29 23:21 |
| MinceR | oh, and of course, the drivers who were the clients of unreliable companies get the short end of the stick | Oct 29 23:22 |
| MinceR | at this rate, it's idiotic to require it at all | Oct 29 23:22 |
| Sosumi | isohunt is back | Oct 29 23:26 |
| MinceR | yay | Oct 29 23:27 |
| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/not-even-two-weeks-after-shutdown-bittorrent-search-site-isohunt-is-back/ | Oct 29 23:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Not even two weeks after shutdown, BitTorrent search site isoHunt is back | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fygms ] | Oct 29 23:27 |
| Sosumi | http://www.hardocp.com/news/2013/10/29/cellphone_stops_bullet_fired_by_robber/ | Oct 29 23:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.hardocp.com | HARDOCP - Cellphone Stops Bullet Fired By Robber [ http://ur1.ca/fygmw ] | Oct 29 23:29 |
| Sosumi | HTC does what iPhonedon't | Oct 29 23:29 |
| MinceR | it does a lot of things that hypePhones don't | Oct 29 23:29 |
| MinceR | like properly insulate the antenna from the user | Oct 29 23:29 |
| MinceR | and run an open platform | Oct 29 23:30 |
| DaemonFC | http://rt.com/business/muslim-money-britain-bonds-907/ | Oct 29 23:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | rt.com | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/fygo2 ] | Oct 29 23:37 |
| Sosumi | actually that was a comercial | Oct 29 23:37 |
| Sosumi | during the sega genesis time | Oct 29 23:37 |
| Sosumi | Sega does what nintendon't | Oct 29 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | So I looked around for a place to go to get the haircut I wanted this morning. | Oct 29 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | The hair salons that have replaced the old barber shops want like $14.50 now for a simple men's haircut. | Oct 29 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | plus tax | Oct 29 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | I ended up grabbing a coupon out of the paper and taking it to the beauty college. $4 after tax. | Oct 29 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I'll just go there now. | Oct 29 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | Damned women's haircuts... | Oct 29 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | They up the price for men to subsidize the women. | Oct 29 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | The men tend to want something that can be done in 5-6 minutes. The women want something that takes half an hour or more. | Oct 29 23:40 |
| Sosumi | just cut it yourself :) | Oct 29 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | So instead of charging the men $8 and charging the women $30-something, they charge everyone $14.50 | Oct 29 23:41 |
| Sosumi | that's what I tend to do | Oct 29 23:41 |
| Sosumi | hitman haircut is dead easy | Oct 29 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | I got a fade cut. | Oct 29 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | I'm letting the top grow out and I had them do a #1 guard buzz cut on the sides and back. | Oct 29 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | and they blend it in | Oct 29 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | It looks a lot better than just buzzing it all off in the bathroom, which is what I had been doing. | Oct 29 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | Normally I wouldn't care, but I want to make a good impression since I'm attempting to date again. | Oct 29 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | all of a sudden, I have to care what I look like | Oct 29 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | I also stopped using aftershave and started using a facial moisturizer instead. | Oct 29 23:43 |
| Sosumi | isohunt.to is the new link but it doesn't contain a lot of torrents indexed, probably was put there byt the folks doing the backups | Oct 29 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | I'm starting to get to the point where I have to worry about looking too OLD as well. | Oct 29 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | Damn it! | Oct 29 23:44 |
| Sosumi | date... I gave up on that even before trying | Oct 29 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | I'll be 30 in a few months, which is also known as Gay Death. | Oct 29 23:44 |
| Sosumi | ouch | Oct 29 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | because it pretty much ends that era of easy anything you want | Oct 29 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | and you start coming across people who are still alone....for a reason | Oct 29 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | people like me | Oct 29 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | but I don't want people to think I'm a person like me | Oct 29 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | I want to give them a false impression and then once I have them in my trap, unleash the Horrible Truth. | Oct 29 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 29 23:45 |
| *DaemonFC rubs his hands together and smiles menacingly. | Oct 29 23:46 | |
| Sosumi | lol, everyone has skelies in their closet | Oct 29 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | Gay Marriage is unfolding rapidly in the states. | Oct 29 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | Eventually I'll be able to pull the Married Person Trap. | Oct 29 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | "I married him and then he gained 6-7 pounds every year." | Oct 29 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | "AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!' | Oct 29 23:47 |
| Sosumi | lol | Oct 29 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | "God help me he's going bald and scratching himself in public! What have I done!?!?" | Oct 29 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | "AHHHH!!! AHHHHHH!! AHHHHH!!!!!" | Oct 29 23:48 |
| Sosumi | you've created a monster | Oct 29 23:48 |
| Sosumi | ! | Oct 29 23:48 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, well, I've managed to use some trickery and take at least 5 years off my face. | Oct 29 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | That's a good start. | Oct 29 23:49 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 29 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | I've always been told I look younger than I am anyway. | Oct 29 23:50 |
| Sosumi | I just don't bother | Oct 29 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | Someone at the movie theater even asked to see my high school ID card at one point for a movie discount. | Oct 29 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | That was a serious shot in the arm for my ego. | Oct 29 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | With any luck, by the time I look 30 I'll actually *be* 45. | Oct 29 23:51 |
| Sosumi | unix beard, sometimes in competition with one of my teachers, and typical clothing casual clothing | Oct 29 23:51 |
| Sosumi | nothing special | Oct 29 23:51 |
| MinceR | Sosumi: GNU/Linux does what Windows NT | Oct 29 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | There's like a barbell system in place for most things in life. | Oct 29 23:52 |
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| Sosumi | GNU/Linux does what Windows doN'T | Oct 29 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | It goes from perfect to utter crap really fast with almost nothing in between. | Oct 29 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed this when I was trying to think of a single thing I was ambivalent about. | Oct 29 23:53 |
| MinceR | see also: WindoesN'T Workstation | Oct 29 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | and I immediately had nothing | Oct 29 23:53 |
| Sosumi | and girls really don't care, it's all about appearence, etc | Oct 29 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | gay men are worse | Oct 29 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | much MUCH worse | Oct 29 23:54 |
| Sosumi | I don't facy dudes... | Oct 29 23:54 |
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| DaemonFC | they will chew a straight woman up and spit out her bones when it comes to standards they hold...OTHER PEOPLE to. | Oct 29 23:54 |
| Sosumi | I'm only into eastern european women :) | Oct 29 23:54 |
| DaemonFC | mail order? | Oct 29 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 29 23:55 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 29 23:55 |
| Sosumi | lawl | Oct 29 23:55 |
| Sosumi | yes | Oct 29 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | but then what will MinceR be left with? | Oct 29 23:56 |
| Sosumi | :P | Oct 29 23:56 |
| MinceR | what i find where i emigrate | Oct 29 23:56 |
| Sosumi | there are tons of eastern european women here in portugal | Oct 29 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Come here. | Oct 29 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | Join the fun. | Oct 29 23:56 |
| Sosumi | from ukrania, moldadvia, etc | Oct 29 23:56 |
| MinceR | there will be more | Oct 29 23:56 |
| MinceR | people are fleeing the train wreck that is hungary. | Oct 29 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | "Where I come from we have potatoes and radiation!" | Oct 29 23:57 |
| MinceR | :D | Oct 29 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | Oh my god, way too easy! | Oct 29 23:57 |
| DaemonFC | YES YES YES!!! | Oct 29 23:57 |
| Sosumi | and hulk right? | Oct 29 23:57 |
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| DaemonFC | I found a bottle of this hand lotion that I have to use on my hands and arms anyway in winter. It's the only thing that stops my knuckles from turning red, then cracking and bleeding. | Oct 30 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | I figured, hell, if it does for my face what it does for my hands and arms, this should turn out well. | Oct 30 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | I hate winter. | Oct 30 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | It gets stuffy in here. | Oct 30 00:13 |
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| MinceR | open the windows every now and then. :> | Oct 30 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Oct 30 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | open window | Oct 30 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | throw cat out | Oct 30 00:14 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 30 00:14 |
| DaemonFC | foul smelling beast | Oct 30 00:14 |
| MinceR | that would be surprising | Oct 30 00:15 |
| MinceR | is that cat healthy? | Oct 30 00:17 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah | Oct 30 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | but he's a stinky kitty | Oct 30 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/3214/i0ke.png | Oct 30 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | He's never too far away from where I'm at. | Oct 30 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | If I get up to go to the kitchen for a glass of water, he'll follow me. | Oct 30 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | Mom said that when I was gone for a couple of weeks a few years ago, and she was taking care of the cat, he got depressed and barely ate anything. | Oct 30 00:22 |
| MinceR | strange | Oct 30 00:23 |
| MinceR | that's an unusual cat :) | Oct 30 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | I think he likes me. | Oct 30 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | That's strange, because so few living things like me. | Oct 30 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 30 00:23 |
| MinceR | i mostly only have problems with humans and dogs | Oct 30 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | I've had dogs. | Oct 30 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | my last dog was an australian shepherd/beagle mix. | Oct 30 00:24 |
| DaemonFC | an Australian Beagle Shepherd for lack of a better term, I guess. | Oct 30 00:24 |
| MinceR | "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." | Oct 30 00:26 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't been grocery shopping in almost a month now. | Oct 30 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | I keep going to a fast food restaurant every night. | Oct 30 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | bad habit | Oct 30 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | expensive habit | Oct 30 00:28 |
| MinceR | delicious habit | Oct 30 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, and a damned fine supervisor that I'm trying to pester into going on an actual date with me | Oct 30 00:28 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 30 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | I asked him if he was doing anything last Saturday. He said he works two jobs. | Oct 30 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | So I might have to keep at this for a while. | Oct 30 00:29 |
| MinceR | gn | Oct 30 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | I keep getting salads there with a side of fries. | Oct 30 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | Their salads aren't bad. | Oct 30 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | I've actually lost another few pounds too. | Oct 30 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | last night I had a chicken BLT cobb salad, fries, and then a few beers, and then I fell asleep in my recliner | Oct 30 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | now, I'm not supposed to have any alcohol with the medication I'm taking, but it just makes me incredibly drowsy | Oct 30 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | that's not a bad side effect when you're an insomniac. | Oct 30 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Did you hear about the dyslexic devil worshiper? | Oct 30 00:34 |
| DaemonFC | He sold his soul to Santa. | Oct 30 00:34 |
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| MinceR | :> | Oct 30 00:37 |
| MinceR | and the agnostic insomniac stays awake at night, wondering if there's a dog. | Oct 30 00:37 |
| MinceR | oops | Oct 30 00:37 |
| MinceR | also, dyslexic | Oct 30 00:37 |
| MinceR | in there somewhere | Oct 30 00:37 |
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| schestowitz_bed | " Typically this involves an underpowered system, or some kind of embedded system running Mono, and a fancy Mac or PC on the other end. " | Oct 30 01:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2013/Oct-29.html | Oct 30 01:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | tirania.org | Debugging Remote Mono Targets - Miguel de Icaza [ http://ur1.ca/fygyz ] | Oct 30 01:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3224064 | Oct 30 01:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Coding is automation and automation is the future. You learn to code or | Oct 30 01:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> blogs.telegraph.co.uk | The Government wants to teach all children how to code. Here's why it's a stupid idea – Telegraph Blogs [ http://ur1.ca/fybi2 ] | Oct 30 01:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | "They want to teach them what to code not how." | Oct 30 01:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3225933 | Oct 30 01:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I won the bid for Tux Machines, my favourite site for GNU/Linux news. I will try my best to serve its community well. | Oct 30 01:27 |
| schestowitz_bed | "I am so stoked that'smy favorite website." | Oct 30 01:27 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://uncrunched.com/2013/10/29/thoughts-on-techcrunch-disrupt/ | Oct 30 01:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | uncrunched.com | Thoughts On TechCrunch Disrupt | Uncrunched [ http://ur1.ca/fyh12 ] | Oct 30 01:37 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Editorial at TechCrunch seems to be completely submissive to sales. If sales wants something, it happens. Way too many sponsors on stage, for example. And the speakers are nearly constantly herded to “VIP events” that are really just sponsor events where sponsors pay to have a captive audience of well known entrepreneurs and venture capitalists. Speakers are being packaged and sold to sponsors, and they are complaining about | Oct 30 01:37 |
| schestowitz_bed | it." | Oct 30 01:37 |
| schestowitz_bed | "TechCrunch should be strong enough to withstand criticism, and I hope they understand that I give this advice out of love, not malice. In any event, I’m not going to participate in the battlefield in the future. " | Oct 30 01:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | "When’s the last time TC broke a story? Seems to be a press release service now." | Oct 30 01:40 |
| DaemonFC | I need to ask my mom to save that beauty college coupon in her newspaper. | Oct 30 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to go back in a couple of weeks and have them touch this up. | Oct 30 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | eventually, the hair on the top will be so much longer than the sides and back, I'll only have to go about once a month. | Oct 30 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | I've had my hair done like this before. | Oct 30 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | lets you grow it out without looking unkempt | Oct 30 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz_bed: Why Mono news? | Oct 30 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder why it's even still being developed. | Oct 30 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | It's certainly not storming the world of desktop programs. | Oct 30 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | It more or less failed to advance on GNOME, now that Novell is not really backing GNOME, and Red Hat is. | Oct 30 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | It never had a single application in KDE/Qt as far as I know. | Oct 30 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | Who is using it for what these days? | Oct 30 02:08 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.infowars.com/only-debt-slavery-into-perpetuity-will-save-us/ | Oct 30 02:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infowars.com | » Only Debt Slavery Into Perpetuity Will Save Us Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! [ http://ur1.ca/fyh4p ] | Oct 30 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | Keynesian economics works for a while. | Oct 30 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | It works until it doesn't work and then it really doesn't work. | Oct 30 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | Then it starts creating all kinds of problems that you didn't have before. | Oct 30 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | As brilliant as RMS is, you'd think he'd catch on. | Oct 30 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | He promotes deficit spending to increase the size of the economy. | Oct 30 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | The rich have plenty of money. Quit borrowing and tax them. | Oct 30 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | Sometimes government spending does help, but what's borrowed today has to be paid back tomorrow. | Oct 30 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | It's like saying that since I have a $10,000 limit on my credit card, that I can have a really great month, and then not speak of what happens later. | Oct 30 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | What the government is doing right now is like loading up the credit card when it has access to plenty of money to cover everything it wants to spend on. | Oct 30 02:21 |
| Sosumi | globalism has failed | Oct 30 05:45 |
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| Snowleaksange | judging by price of pair of socks? | Oct 30 06:16 |
| DaemonFC | well, you can save a buck on a pack of socks at Walmart, but a fat bunch of good that's going to do when the mortgage bill arrives and you have no job. | Oct 30 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | how much things cost only matter if you have money to spend | Oct 30 06:21 |
| DaemonFC | we're getting to the point where making stuff cheaper doesn't help sales because so many people can' | Oct 30 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | *can't afford anything at all | Oct 30 06:23 |
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| iophk | http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/security/62085-38-million-adobe-users-hacked-not-3-million | Oct 30 07:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itwire.com | 38 million Adobe users hacked, not 3 million [ http://ur1.ca/fyiaq ] | Oct 30 07:36 |
| iophk | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2426535,00.asp | Oct 30 07:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.pcmag.com | William Lowe, IBM PC Architect, Dead at 72 | News & Opinion | PCMag.com [ http://ur1.ca/fyibh ] | Oct 30 07:40 |
| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-founders-hacking-case-rejected-by-supreme-court-131029/ | Oct 30 07:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Pirate Bay Founder’s Extradition Looms After Supreme Court Rejection | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/fyic2 ] | Oct 30 07:44 |
| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/29/bitcoin-forgotten-currency-norway-oslo-home | Oct 30 07:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Man buys $27 of bitcoin, forgets about them, finds they're now worth $886k | Technology | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fyicj ] | Oct 30 07:47 |
| iophk | However, once lost, bitcoins cannot be replaced. | Oct 30 07:47 |
| iophk | http://www.infoworld.com/t/macbooks/the-mac-the-pc-its-all-downhill-here-229677 | Oct 30 07:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | For the Mac, like the PC, it's all downhill from here | Macbooks - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fyicr ] | Oct 30 07:49 |
| MinceR | "(if you believe IDC)" "(if you believe Gartner)" -- so what if i don't believe either of them? | Oct 30 07:51 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Oct 30 09:15 |
| iophk | Interesting business plan : https://stable.mtier.org/subscriptions | Oct 30 09:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | stable.mtier.org | M:Tier · Stable packages and binpatches | Oct 30 09:58 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3228777 | Oct 30 10:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Man buys $27 of bitcoin, forgets about them, finds they're now worth $886k http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/29/bitcoin-forgotten-currency-norway-oslo-home #bitcoin | Oct 30 10:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Damn! Lucky bastard!" | Oct 30 10:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395489391202029568 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395489784074100736 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395491013068075008 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395491160632090624 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395491812091392000 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395494495531589632 | Oct 30 10:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: For the Mac, like the PC, it's all downhill from here http://t.co/shIHC7YjOQ #gnu #linux a victor | Oct 30 10:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Man buys $27 of bitcoin, forgets about them, finds they're now worth $886k http://t.co/WBxdT7FqhH #bitcoin | Oct 30 10:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Svartholm "involvement in a breach at the Nordea bank could not be proven." http://t.co/gsYsUw04xA punished anyway | Oct 30 10:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: On buying Tux Machines http://t.co/FnB6OT3Hk9 | Oct 30 10:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Tux Machines | Oct 30 10:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Return to GNU/Linux Advocacy http://t.co/auNNMcwlDK #gnu #linux #vista8 | Oct 30 10:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Return to GNU/Linux Advocacy | Techrights | Oct 30 10:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Richard Stallman on Bank Injustices http://t.co/Ryo8VGnv75 #rms #fsf #gnu #finance | Oct 30 10:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> bytesmedia.co.uk | Bytes Media - Richard Stallman on Bank Injustices | Oct 30 10:28 |
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| schestowitz_bed | hi carlos_ | Oct 30 11:12 |
| carlos_ | Hello roy | Oct 30 11:19 |
| iophk | http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2013/10/29/google-plus/3296017/ | Oct 30 11:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.usatoday.com | Google's social network sees 58% jump in users [ http://ur1.ca/fyj7h ] | Oct 30 11:24 |
| iophk | That's because logging into any Google service pushes G+ | Oct 30 11:25 |
| iophk | if you make a wrong click, you get signed up. | Oct 30 11:25 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 30 11:28 |
| MinceR | plus GFail started running javascript from all sorts of domains | Oct 30 11:28 |
| MinceR | even googleanalytics.com | Oct 30 11:28 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/395511627455295488 | Oct 30 11:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz FYI I can't connect to your site at all at the moment... | Oct 30 11:35 |
| schestowitz_bed | There are some access issues; some IPs cannot reach it at certain times, still investigating this... | Oct 30 11:36 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395503714414653440 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395508092815032320 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395514076388151296 | Oct 30 11:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Copyright Monopoly Against Society: Latest Examples http://t.co/oyEWw6Bt9W #copyright #monopoly | Oct 30 11:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Copyright Monopoly Against Society: Latest Examples | Techrights | Oct 30 11:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Online Anonymity is Extremely Important http://t.co/BXJ6gJGmDR #anonymity #freespeech | Oct 30 11:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Online Anonymity is Extremely Important | Techrights | Oct 30 11:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Retribution Against Activists http://t.co/GhVEFRedML #activism #dissent | Oct 30 11:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Retribution Against Activists | Techrights | Oct 30 11:38 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395519981309681665 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395529623871967233 | Oct 30 12:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Apple is the Kingdom of Censorship, Deletes and Silences Even Its Own Fans http://t.co/lkuUQ5hjad #censorship #apple | Oct 30 12:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Apple is the Kingdom of Censorship, Deletes and Silences Even Its Own Fans | Techrights | Oct 30 12:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: British Prime Minister David Cameron Takes His War on Press Freedom Even Further, Japan Follows Suit http://t.co/RJrCu0OZAH #uk #japan | Oct 30 12:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | British Prime Minister David Cameron Takes His War on Press Freedom Even Further, Japan Follows Suit | Techrights | Oct 30 12:58 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395535202988359680 | Oct 30 12:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Richard Stallman on Bankruptcies http://t.co/bA7UU5gMLV #finance #economy | Oct 30 12:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Richard Stallman on Bankruptcies | Oct 30 12:59 |
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| iophk | http://falkvinge.net/2013/10/30/so-was-angela-merkel-a-terrorist-or-a-pedophile/ | Oct 30 13:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | falkvinge.net | So was Angela Merkel a terrorist or a pedophile? - Falkvinge on Infopolicy [ http://ur1.ca/fyjnp ] | Oct 30 13:06 |
| MinceR | https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rNM6IONLA9M/Uga24RCHijI/AAAAAAABEfk/N1AowZ8Cbwo/w720-h467-no/13+-+1 | Oct 30 13:09 |
| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/man-sues-dhs-nsa-for-the-right-to-parody-them-on-mugs-t-shirts/ | Oct 30 13:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Man sues DHS, NSA for the right to parody them on mugs, T-shirts | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fyjob ] | Oct 30 13:09 |
| iophk | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2057938/microsoft-apple-is-to-blame-for-reports-of-poor-windows-battery-life.html | Oct 30 13:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.pcworld.com | Microsoft: Apple is to blame for reports of poor Windows battery life | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fyjps ] | Oct 30 13:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395539087387414528 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395539369739964416 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395539669628497920 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395539737647517696 | Oct 30 13:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Glenn Greenwald: "Dick Cheney Engaged In Some Of The Most Radical & Criminal Conduct In The U.S.!" https://t.co/80yyq0lUyq | Oct 30 13:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | Glenn Greenwald "Dick Cheney Engaged In Some Of The Most Radical & Criminal Conduct In The U.S.!" - YouTube | Oct 30 13:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: So was Angela Merkel a terrorist or a pedophile? http://t.co/kyb8EZRNGM #merkel #nsa | Oct 30 13:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: ATM in #germany https://t.co/4fs8nKUzFb | Oct 30 13:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Man sues DHS, NSA for the right to parody them on mugs, T-shirts http://t.co/gizjdHxg2W #nhs #nsa | Oct 30 13:18 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395540693927886848 | Oct 30 13:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: micro soft, MEGA hoard http://t.co/CnvYhS75T0 | Oct 30 13:21 |
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| MinceR | http://images.cdn.bigcartel.com/bigcartel/product_images/123407067/max_h-1000+max_w-1000/CHRISTSWALLOWER.jpg | Oct 30 14:25 |
| Sosumi | intel foundries to start making arm processors to quallomm, nvidia, etc by 2014 | Oct 30 14:34 |
| Sosumi | *for | Oct 30 14:34 |
| Sosumi | and have a look at the blueprints :) | Oct 30 14:35 |
| iophk | http://www.itworld.com/hardware/380681/taiwan-protests-apple-maps-show-island-province-china | Oct 30 14:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itworld.com | Taiwan protests Apple maps that show island as province of China | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/fyk7e ] | Oct 30 14:38 |
| MinceR | strange | Oct 30 14:39 |
| MinceR | after they sold XScale to Marvell | Oct 30 14:39 |
| MinceR | (probably one of their dumbest moves, besides declaring from the start that IA-64 was only intended for a limited audience) | Oct 30 14:39 |
| Sosumi | well, probably they want to get taps on other's design in order to reverse engineer/copy | Oct 30 14:40 |
| Sosumi | http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanbaptiste/2013/10/29/exclusive-intel-opens-fabs-to-arm-chips/ | Oct 30 14:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.forbes.com | Exclusive: Intel Opens Fabs To ARM Chips - Forbes [ http://ur1.ca/fyk7s ] | Oct 30 14:41 |
| Sosumi | also my compaq armada m700 has finally decided to die after 15 years | Oct 30 14:42 |
| Sosumi | today it just decided that it was time to show everything fuzzy on screen | Oct 30 14:43 |
| MinceR | CRT? | Oct 30 14:43 |
| Sosumi | no laptop | Oct 30 14:43 |
| MinceR | strange | Oct 30 14:44 |
| Sosumi | yep, and it had been going strong after all these years | Oct 30 14:45 |
| Sosumi | now I'm the market for a new laptop, but things available aren't that good | Oct 30 15:00 |
| Sosumi | or solid | Oct 30 15:00 |
| Sosumi | outside the mobile workstation market, which I don't need since I don't do CAD | Oct 30 15:00 |
| Sosumi | the only nice laptops available and that aren't overpriced are the asus g series | Oct 30 15:01 |
| Sosumi | everything else either looks to finicky or tries to copy the crapbook pro | Oct 30 15:01 |
| Sosumi | including the defficient cooling | Oct 30 15:02 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | http://rt.com/news/fidel-slams-report-snowden-107/ | Oct 30 15:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | rt.com | ‘Lie & libel’! Fidel Castro slams report Cuba blocked Snowden flight — RT News [ http://ur1.ca/fyke4 ] | Oct 30 15:11 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395567079333847040 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395567385924886528 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395568193525522432 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395568920897531904 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395569413673746433 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395569534524211200 | Oct 30 15:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Hardware issues messed up #Thunderbird for me (seems like file corruption); slow at scrolling and startup, takes almost 1GB of RAM | Oct 30 15:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "First migrants and recent immigrants were rounded up from Greece's streets and forced into internment camps" http://t.co/2eWNd6GqZa | Oct 30 15:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> act.watchdog.net | Tell EU Member States: Save Greek "undesirables" from internment camps! | Oct 30 15:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Record number of nations oppose US embargo of Cuba in UN vote http://t.co/ZcZ0GNRizp #cuba #sanction | Oct 30 15:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> rt.com | NO TITLE | Oct 30 15:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: We Have Been Misled By An Erroneous Map Of The World For 500 Years http://t.co/YJstFtFKCu #africa | Oct 30 15:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.upworthy.com | We Have Been Misled By An Erroneous Map Of The World For 500 Years | Oct 30 15:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: WIntel replaces with WIn with Lin http://t.co/GmVhHxIfUD #android #linux | Oct 30 15:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Taiwan protests Apple maps that show island as province of China http://t.co/9uO2VQK2LT #taiwan #rpc #china | Oct 30 15:18 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3229549 | Oct 30 15:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: WIntel replaces with WIn with Lin http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanbaptiste/2013/10/29/exclusive-intel-opens-fabs-to-arm-chips/ #android #linux | Oct 30 15:29 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "These ARM chips -- will they be going through the back-door-insertion line for NSA?" | Oct 30 15:29 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | The intel' community... | Oct 30 15:30 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | server rejects connections at random | Oct 30 15:32 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | something odd at techrights now | Oct 30 15:32 |
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| lirodon | nice job Mozilla, endorsing non-free video formats | Oct 30 15:43 |
| lirodon | but getting Cisco to split the bill | Oct 30 15:43 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | where? | Oct 30 15:48 |
| iophk | http://gigaom.com/2013/10/30/mozilla-will-add-h-264-to-firefox-as-cisco-makes-eleventh-hour-push-for-webrtcs-future/ | Oct 30 15:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | gigaom.com | Mozilla will add H.264 to Firefox as Cisco makes eleventh-hour push for WebRTC’s future — Tech News and Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/fykmb ] | Oct 30 15:55 |
| iophk | Firefox has also taken out the ability to stop animated GIFs | Oct 30 15:56 |
| iophk | Probably something to do with ads. | Oct 30 15:56 |
| iophk | The old firefox would stop the animation if you pressed ESC | Oct 30 15:56 |
| iophk | About the proprietary codecs, the article says "Cisco’s message to developers now is: “Don’t worry about those fees; we’ll foot the bill.”" | Oct 30 15:57 |
| iophk | Unfortunately, it is not the developers who would be paying, but the users. Patents are on usage not distribution. | Oct 30 15:58 |
| iophk | So Cisco is presenting a strawman. | Oct 30 15:58 |
| iophk | Couldn't Google and Mozilla Foundation work together and support open video? | Oct 30 15:59 |
| iophk | Together they have pretty much the whole market, at least where it counts. | Oct 30 15:59 |
| MinceR | so mozilla is next to betray the open web | Oct 30 16:05 |
| MinceR | we do not only need a new w3c, we also need a new mozilla. | Oct 30 16:05 |
| iophk | Basically. | Oct 30 16:05 |
| iophk | Mozilla also put Bong in Thunderbird | Oct 30 16:05 |
| MinceR | this is a fucked up world. | Oct 30 16:06 |
| iophk | stabbing both the users and Google | Oct 30 16:06 |
| iophk | There's an add-on to remove bong but you have to go out of your way to get it. | Oct 30 16:07 |
| iophk | I'm not quite sure how you would deploy it to a large site with 1000's of users. | Oct 30 16:07 |
| iophk | If Mozilla had wanted to make a point with Thunderbird, instead of stabbing everyone with Bong they could have swapped in DDG or Startpage | Oct 30 16:09 |
| lirodon | iophk: "bong?" | Oct 30 16:11 |
| iophk | no need to give it more marketshare by spelling it correctly | Oct 30 16:12 |
| iophk | The H.264 support is going to be in binary modules: | Oct 30 16:13 |
| iophk | https://brendaneich.com/2013/10/ciscos-h-264-good-news/ | Oct 30 16:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | brendaneich.com | Cisco’s H.264 Good News | Brendan Eich [ http://ur1.ca/fykox ] | Oct 30 16:13 |
| lirodon | “The Thunderbird default list of search engines reflects the agreements and authorizations we have with their respective owners. We do not have such agreement or authorization from Google.” | Oct 30 16:13 |
| iophk | which in all likelihood only run on certain architectures. | Oct 30 16:13 |
| lirodon | so you need authorization to link to a website | Oct 30 16:14 |
| lirodon | or is Google not paying enough. | Oct 30 16:14 |
| iophk | probably not paying enough | Oct 30 16:14 |
| iophk | but they could have made their point by going with DDG or Startpage | Oct 30 16:14 |
| iophk | there would be less damage that way | Oct 30 16:14 |
| iophk | with the codecs, blobs not only lock into specific hardware and OSes, they can easily contain malware and backdoors | Oct 30 16:15 |
| iophk | maybe that is what it is really about, putting backdoors into video playback | Oct 30 16:15 |
| MinceR | lirodon: bìng | Oct 30 16:15 |
| lirodon | I figured | Oct 30 16:15 |
| MinceR | http://www.brandinfection.com/2009/05/29/bing-means-disease-in-chinese/ | Oct 30 16:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.brandinfection.com | Bing Means Disease In Chinese | BRAND INFECTION [ http://ur1.ca/11kyl ] | Oct 30 16:16 |
| iophk | "Firefox will automatically download and install the appropriate binary module onto each user’s machine when needed" | Oct 30 16:16 |
| iophk | binary == tied to specific OS and architecture | Oct 30 16:16 |
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| MinceR | to avoid promoting the name, we could also spell it 病 | Oct 30 16:17 |
| iophk | fear of ARM and MIPS maybe? | Oct 30 16:18 |
| iophk | LOL | Oct 30 16:18 |
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| iophk | I don't get why Mozilla doesn't just focus on unencumbered codecs. | Oct 30 16:26 |
| iophk | It saves work and money in the long run. | Oct 30 16:26 |
| MinceR | maybe they got bribed | Oct 30 16:26 |
| iophk | Using H.264 will just fragment the web and spread content that is not open or portable. | Oct 30 16:26 |
| MinceR | or they got scared that lusers will switch to browsers that ship H.264 | Oct 30 16:26 |
| iophk | Nothing's out there in H.264 yet is there? | Oct 30 16:27 |
| iophk | So maybe bribery or other manipulation went on. | Oct 30 16:27 |
| MinceR | doesn't youtube use it a lot already? | Oct 30 16:27 |
| iophk | I though Youtube was heading towards HTML5 officially | Oct 30 16:27 |
| lirodon | HTML5 and WebM | Oct 30 16:29 |
| lirodon | or H.264 | Oct 30 16:29 |
| iophk | What are Cisco's ties to Intel? What kind of CPUs do they use nowadays in their over-priced networking gear? | Oct 30 16:30 |
| iophk | http://blogs.cisco.com/collaboration/open-source-h-264-removes-barriers-webrtc | Oct 30 16:33 |
| iophk | "We hope and believe that this step of open-sourcing our H.264 codec will enable the industry to move forward on WebRTC a" | Oct 30 16:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | blogs.cisco.com | Open-Sourced H.264 Removes Barriers to WebRTC [ http://ur1.ca/fyjxg ] | Oct 30 16:33 |
| iophk | How does a blob equate to FOSS? | Oct 30 16:33 |
| iophk | It's looking like the distribution might be restricted to Cisco. There needs to be some followup to see if regular Linux distros can package the source and their own binaries on their own repos. | Oct 30 16:35 |
| MinceR | HTML5 can use H.264, afaik | Oct 30 16:38 |
| iophk | On of the PR folk from Cisco is in the blog comments. | Oct 30 16:38 |
| iophk | " In order for Cisco to be responsible for the MPEG LA licensing royalties for the module, Cisco must provide the packaging and distribution of this code in a binary module format (think of it like a plug-in, but not using the same APIs as existing plugins), in addition to several other constraints. This gives the community the best of all worlds – a team can choose to use the source code, in which case the team is responsible for paying all ap | Oct 30 16:39 |
| MinceR | also, patent-encumbered open source is useless nonfree crap in many important markets | Oct 30 16:39 |
| iophk | It's non-free and will not be available for all architectures, according to one of her earlier comments. | Oct 30 16:39 |
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| iophk | All though, I'd like to see the limits pushed. Software patents do not apply in Europe, so European based distros could conceivably provide a version of the codec. | Oct 30 16:40 |
| iophk | A distro so good that it's banned in the US. | Oct 30 16:41 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't like to see the limits pushed on the web | Oct 30 16:41 |
| MinceR | they should get their paws off the web already | Oct 30 16:41 |
| iophk | other limits | Oct 30 16:42 |
| iophk | the web should stay open | Oct 30 16:42 |
| iophk | but this stupidity with software patents needs to end | Oct 30 16:42 |
| iophk | by hosting the codecs in the US they are applying sw patents | Oct 30 16:43 |
| iophk | if the codecs are hosted outside the US then the patents do not apply | Oct 30 16:43 |
| iophk | there were similar restrictions on munitions^Wencryption a few years back | Oct 30 16:43 |
| lirodon | p.s. Microsoft released a patch to fix that secure boot shaming "feature" | Oct 30 16:43 |
| iophk | so many things were not available from US sites. | Oct 30 16:43 |
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| iophk | lirodon: removed the watermark? | Oct 30 16:44 |
| lirodon | allegedly. though some people on WinBeta said it caused stability issues | Oct 30 16:44 |
| iophk | the OS itself causes stability issues. | Oct 30 16:45 |
| iophk | it has always been like that :> | Oct 30 16:45 |
| lirodon | http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-81-secureboot-isnt-configured-correctly-watermark-finally-removed-hotfix | Oct 30 16:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.winbeta.org | Windows 8.1 'SecureBoot isn't configured correctly' watermark finally removed via hotfix | WinBeta [ http://ur1.ca/fykva ] | Oct 30 16:45 |
| iophk | http://xiphmont.livejournal.com/61927.html | Oct 30 16:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | xiphmont.livejournal.com | Monty Montgomery - Comments on Cisco, Mozilla, and H.264 [ http://ur1.ca/fykvj ] | Oct 30 16:47 |
| iophk | The Cisco deal makes web users more hostage to closed codecs by making them more widespread. | Oct 30 16:49 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | jono_: re http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/10/26/bad-voltage/ | Oct 30 16:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.jonobacon.org | Bad Voltage | jonobacon@home [ http://ur1.ca/fykw3 ] | Oct 30 16:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Bryan Lunduke is FOSS-hostile | Oct 30 16:51 |
| jono_ | schestowitz_bed2, :-) | Oct 30 16:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | AFAIK | Oct 30 16:51 |
| jono_ | schestowitz_bed2, I don't think he is | Oct 30 16:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | fair enough | Oct 30 16:51 |
| jono_ | I think he has his heart in the right place | Oct 30 16:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | but anyway, I'll be listening a bit | Oct 30 16:51 |
| jono_ | but I think he is critical of RMS | Oct 30 16:51 |
| jono_ | nice! | Oct 30 16:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | I listed to your previous show | Oct 30 16:52 |
| jono_ | schestowitz_bed2, hope you enjoy it :-) | Oct 30 16:52 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | before it ended | Oct 30 16:52 |
| jono_ | ahhh Shot Of Jaq? | Oct 30 16:52 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | yes, very critical of FSF in general | Oct 30 16:52 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | yes, | Oct 30 16:52 |
| jono_ | yep | Oct 30 16:52 |
| jono_ | I know his critical of the FSF | Oct 30 16:52 |
| jono_ | but I think he is supportive of Free Software | Oct 30 16:52 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Maybe he softened | Oct 30 16:52 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | was very rude about it some years ago | Oct 30 16:53 |
| jono_ | schestowitz_bed2, Bryan is definitely animated | Oct 30 16:55 |
| jono_ | he is not everyone's cup of tea | Oct 30 16:55 |
| jono_ | but I think he brings an interesting perspective to the show | Oct 30 16:56 |
| jono_ | we want Bad Voltage to be a bit like the Top Gear of the podcast world :-) | Oct 30 16:56 |
| jono_ | schestowitz_bed2, there is an interesting segment about FLOSS social networks on the show | Oct 30 16:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | there's diaspora, identica is almost defunct now | Oct 30 16:57 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | reddit and others are hardly foss-oriented | Oct 30 16:57 |
| msb_ | Hi folks! Regarding this Cisco H264 business, the article says Cisco will make their source code available. So why would people have to rely on binary blobs? Also, will web videos using this be downloadable by (presumably upgraded) VideoDownloadHelper? I have no interest in watching a video -- like some passive moron --that I can't download and save. | Oct 30 17:13 |
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| lirodon | msb_: you don't get Cisco's patent covenant if you compile it yourself | Oct 30 17:14 |
| msb_ | Sorry if I'm not understanding the basics here. | Oct 30 17:14 |
| lirodon | Cisco is basically paying everyone's patent fees. but only if you use their binary | Oct 30 17:15 |
| msb_ | So if I download the source and compilation instructions from some rogue website, like where we all get dvdcss, then I'm a naughty boy? | Oct 30 17:16 |
| msb_ | But in actuality nobody will give a crap? | Oct 30 17:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "@jonsmirl:disqus Sorry for confusion. To put things in context, Mr Shuttleworth called the larger open source community (those who opposed MIR) as the Tea Party of Open Source…" | Oct 30 17:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "That was a poor analogy he used. The main objection to Mir is the contributor’s agreement where you sign over rights to Canonical which lets them resell your work under closed licenses. Of course Intel, Redhat, etc were newer going to sign that hence they nixed the Mir code." | Oct 30 17:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Oct 30 17:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Just like to point out the surveillance started long before the Tea Party existed. And since the Tea Party has very little true power in Congress they weren’t the people that approved it either. | Oct 30 17:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | The correct people to blame are the established leaders of both parties since similar operations were done when both parties were in control. | Oct 30 17:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Oct 30 17:18 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "Was Canonical not aware that it won’t get support from all these vendors? If not then they are too naive to be in the field. If they did know yet went ahead with it then the deliberately did it then what they wanted to achieve – create rift within the free software community?" | Oct 30 17:18 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | http://www.muktware.com/2013/10/ubuntus-mark-shuttleworth-wins-austrias-big-brother-award/15265 | Oct 30 17:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.muktware.com | Ubuntu's Mark Shuttleworth wins Austria's Big Brother Award | Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/fyl1j ] | Oct 30 17:18 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Oct 30 17:18 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | There were totally aware of what they are doing. All of this is centered around Canonical selling ‘Ubuntu Phone OS”. | Oct 30 17:18 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge/x/1575657 | Oct 30 17:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.indiegogo.com | Ubuntu Edge | Indiegogo [ http://ur1.ca/eqh95 ] | Oct 30 17:18 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Oct 30 17:18 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "What Ubuntu did was unprecedented I don’t need to have all the files on my hard drive scanned by someone so they can offer better search results that’s is absurd. My suspension tells me that there is more to it then trying to offer better search results. I guess censoring the web is not enough for big brother they also wants to censor what is on our hard drives too using file dna software. Now I know why Ubuntu is the | Oct 30 17:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | official OS of China where Internet control is considered more extensive and more advanced than in any other country in the world. The governmental authorities not only block website content but also monitor the Internet access of individuals and now thanks to Ubuntu they also monitor your harddrive content. All you anti-corruption journalist of China brace yourself here comes the hard drive police" | Oct 30 17:19 |
| msb_ | OK, Roy, does this now make Ubuntu more evil than Suse? | Oct 30 17:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | no | Oct 30 17:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | not evil at all | Oct 30 17:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | just in need of disable by default | Oct 30 17:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | because users ask for it | Oct 30 17:20 |
| msb_ | It just occurred to me that if Suse/Microsoft did fund and guide the KDE4 team into producing a lousy KDE4 (as I was told), maybe that's why Suse is the only distro that still offers KDE3 -- guilty conscience, trying to make up for the damage they did. | Oct 30 17:24 |
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| lirodon | I don't think KDE 4 is that bad. | Oct 30 17:33 |
| lirodon | At least its still similar to KDE 3 in places, and they didn't re-invent the wheel like GNOME 3 did | Oct 30 17:33 |
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| -NickServ-schestowitz!~schestowi@host109-149-157-158.range109-149.btcentralplus.com has just authenticated as you (schestowitz) | Oct 30 17:40 | |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3230015 | Oct 30 17:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide, Snowden documents say http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-infiltrates-links-to-yahoo-google-data-centers-worldwide-snowden-documents-say/2013/10/30/e51d661e-4166-11e3-8b74-d89d714ca4dd_story.html avoid US Net companies | Oct 30 17:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.washingtonpost.com | NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide, Snowden documents say - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/fykvb ] | Oct 30 17:45 |
| schestowitz | "Was just reading this at this point we must assume that the NSA is a hostile organisation." | Oct 30 17:45 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395606363310936064 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395606824197820416 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395607620150915072 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395608150708998145 | Oct 30 17:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Internet and Egypt https://t.co/wukxKmM5h7 | Oct 30 17:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide, Snowden documents say http://t.co/lUpDb0dn0i avoid US Net companies | Oct 30 17:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Do the people of Honduras have the right to elect their own president and congress?" http://t.co/qQ4m8pgHPe No! #nsa #cia #espionage | Oct 30 17:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.counterpunch.org | Obama’s Betrayal of Honduras » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names | Oct 30 17:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Debt lobbying https://t.co/O5BfP10NbK | Oct 30 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://31.media.tumblr.com/28554fba220b9797dc1457470b6067aa/tumblr_mv540jeB4Z1rves7ho1_400.gif | Oct 30 18:08 |
| schestowitz | nj3ma: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/337629 | Oct 30 18:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.digitaljournal.com | Atheists can be jailed in Kentucky for not acknowledging God [ http://ur1.ca/fyld6 ] | Oct 30 18:09 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: for you that was | Oct 30 18:09 |
| schestowitz | bible belt | Oct 30 18:09 |
| schestowitz | do they call it a belt because you get whipped for not believing? | Oct 30 18:10 |
| schestowitz | http://img9.joyreactor.com/pics/post/adulthood-929379.jpeg | Oct 30 18:10 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395611699845533696 | Oct 30 18:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 'Glamour' http://t.co/LmtsMYtxCB | Oct 30 18:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | Photoshop makes anything possible - YouTube | Oct 30 18:11 |
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| lirodon | No, its wrong. | Oct 30 18:46 |
| lirodon | The law says that their department of security has to post a plaque crediting "almighty god" for their commonwealth's safety/security | Oct 30 18:47 |
| msb_ | lirodon: For me, the KDE4 devs reinvented (and messed up) the UI to the point where it's unpleasant to use. But the main problem is that in the virtual-desktop-pager (switcher) applet, you can't see the names of the desktops in the pager buttons, as they are obscured by unremovable window outline rectangles (for all the windows in each desktop). | Oct 30 18:56 |
| msb_ | lirodon: Virtual desktops are one of my favorite features -- I use all 20 of them. So this is a show-stopper for me for KDE4. | Oct 30 18:57 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: outrageous | Oct 30 19:02 |
| msb_ | lirodon: Fortunately these folks have forked KDE3, and provide versions for various distros: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ | Oct 30 19:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.trinitydesktop.org | Trinity Desktop Environment | Oct 30 19:04 |
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| msb_ | However, they refuse to adopt Carrie-Anne Moss as their avatar. | Oct 30 19:07 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 30 19:07 |
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| Snowleaksange | omfg the NSA spied TOO much | Oct 30 19:47 |
| schestowitz | nice name | Oct 30 20:14 |
| schestowitz | Just watched the 'black' version of Karate Kid (2010, Will Smith's son), not so bad the acting... but lots of stereotypes in this BS film | Oct 30 20:14 |
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| MinceR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDfMBd7FyZU | Oct 30 20:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Bad Religion - New dark ages (video) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fyma6 ] | Oct 30 20:33 |
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| msb_ | MinceR: Wow, that New Dark Ages video is great! But while the flashplayer is showing 480p, the best I can get with VideoDownloadHelper is 360p. The 480p download has no sound. | Oct 30 21:01 |
| MinceR | strange | Oct 30 21:02 |
| msb_ | It's been like that for a few months now. | Oct 30 21:02 |
| msb_ | I guess I can combine the sound from the 360p and the video from the 480p using mencoder. | Oct 30 21:03 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/ZghUJQX.jpg | Oct 30 21:06 |
| msb_ | This morning I checked my Fish With Black Bean Sauce takeout with a geiger counter. It was normal. But I don't know which ocean the fish came from. | Oct 30 21:06 |
| MinceR | are you sure they came from an ocean, though? | Oct 30 21:06 |
| msb_ | As the Antichrist, I think he understood it all too well. | Oct 30 21:07 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 30 21:07 |
| MinceR | i thought he was the Ant-Christ, not the Antichrist | Oct 30 21:07 |
| msb_ | Where else? Aren't fish farms in the ocean, just demarcated by nets? | Oct 30 21:08 |
| MinceR | i don't know | Oct 30 21:08 |
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| msb_ | I think people have tried bug spray on him, but it didn't do anything. | Oct 30 21:09 |
| msb_ | I think the fish is cod, but it lives in both oceans. | Oct 30 21:11 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 30 21:11 |
| msb_ | Maybe I'll take the GM to costco and run it over all the different fish. | Oct 30 21:11 |
| MinceR | do they allow cars in there? :> | Oct 30 21:12 |
| msb_ | gamma will certainly come thru the plastic wrap, don't know about alpha and beta | Oct 30 21:12 |
| MinceR | i think it will stop alpha but not beta | Oct 30 21:13 |
| MinceR | though beta might depend on how thick the wrap is | Oct 30 21:13 |
| msb_ | dunno, but when I asked if they serve crabs there they said, "We serve everybody, what would you like?" | Oct 30 21:14 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 30 21:14 |
| msb_ | These air radiation readings look normal, as does mine, 60 miles S of San Francisco http://www.radiationnetwork.com/ | Oct 30 21:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.radiationnetwork.com | Radiation Network | Oct 30 21:17 |
| Sosumi | http://hothardware.com/News/Google-Nexus-5-Posts-Best-Gaming-Benchmark-Among-Android-Smartphones/ | Oct 30 21:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | hothardware.com | Google Nexus 5 Posts Best Gaming Benchmark Among Android Smartphones - HotHardware [ http://ur1.ca/fymn2 ] | Oct 30 21:27 |
| Sosumi | http://rt.com/usa/nsa-secretly-access-yahoo-google-982/ | Oct 30 21:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | rt.com | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/fymox ] | Oct 30 21:35 |
| Sosumi | yay like if that wasn't already known | Oct 30 21:35 |
| Sosumi | br00liant idea = join an intelligence agency or make a private intelligence company | Oct 30 21:36 |
| Sosumi | top gordon gecko as mr insider trader | Oct 30 21:37 |
| Sosumi | = profit | Oct 30 21:37 |
| Sosumi | and I'll finally be able to buy the DBS I've always been lusting for | Oct 30 21:37 |
| MinceR | DBS? | Oct 30 21:38 |
| Sosumi | aston martin dbs | Oct 30 21:38 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 30 21:38 |
| Sosumi | http://www.hardocp.com/news/2013/10/30/ultimate_ps4_faq/ | Oct 30 21:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.hardocp.com | HARDOCP - The Ultimate PS4 FAQ [ http://ur1.ca/fymq3 ] | Oct 30 21:41 |
| Sosumi | no blu-ray/dvd playback | Oct 30 21:41 |
| Sosumi | must pay for the pesky licence | Oct 30 21:41 |
| Sosumi | I can play blu rays/dvds on vlc | Oct 30 21:42 |
| Sosumi | why not incoporate vlc components into the ps4 OS? | Oct 30 21:42 |
| Sosumi | $ony, lawl | Oct 30 21:42 |
| Sosumi | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/lian-li-pc-d600-dual-compartment-eatx,24263.html | Oct 30 21:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tomshardware.com | Lian Li Launches the PC-D600 Dual-Compartment Case [ http://ur1.ca/fymsp ] | Oct 30 21:52 |
| Sosumi | puts the trashcan pro to shame | Oct 30 21:52 |
| MinceR | no surprise there | Oct 30 21:53 |
| Sosumi | would make a nice server with that | Oct 30 21:54 |
| Sosumi | compute nodes usually require 2 PSUs | Oct 30 21:54 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: nice redesign roy | Oct 30 22:17 |
| Sosumi | also, this halloween, don't dress your children in cowboy costumes and give them a toy gun | Oct 30 22:20 |
| Sosumi | they may be misunderstood as one of those freedom hating terrorists | Oct 30 22:20 |
| Sosumi | and shot down | Oct 30 22:20 |
| Sosumi | *be | Oct 30 22:20 |
| XFaCE | Sosumi: nice apple-nick reference there | Oct 30 22:20 |
| Sosumi | and it's registed :) | Oct 30 22:21 |
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| XFaCE | right on /thumb^ | Oct 30 22:21 |
| Sosumi | also, all my macs run rhel now, I guess crApple can go on and sue me now for foilling their planned obsulescence plans for the mac pro and xserve | Oct 30 22:24 |
| *MinceR has no macs | Oct 30 22:25 | |
| Sosumi | MinceR has tank instead, which lets him go to the mac store and free all those chained/locked in macs | Oct 30 22:27 |
| MinceR | i wish | Oct 30 22:27 |
| MinceR | i also wish i could afford to fuel it | Oct 30 22:27 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 30 22:28 |
| Sosumi | maybe if you dressed as a syrian *cough* rebel and made a cardboard tank... | Oct 30 22:29 |
| Sosumi | Obozo'd swap that for a real tank and give you plenty of fuel | Oct 30 22:29 |
| MinceR | i'm too far from syria for that to work | Oct 30 22:30 |
| MinceR | and i think i'll keep it that way | Oct 30 22:31 |
| Sosumi | yeah you better stay :) | Oct 30 22:31 |
| Sosumi | there are way to many folks involved there, including PMCs which it's only business is war | Oct 30 22:32 |
| MinceR | gn | Oct 30 23:06 |
| MinceR | http://www.pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/funny-middle-yeast-war-cartoon-1.jpg | Oct 30 23:12 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395716299059650560 | Oct 31 01:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Oppressor https://t.co/Bu6J6LVNXt | Oct 31 01:13 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: thanks | Oct 31 01:13 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3230051 | Oct 31 01:17 |
| schestowitz | "Weeeeeeee" | Oct 31 01:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: Awesome | Oct 31 01:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> 500px.com | 500px / nordin seruyan / Photos | Oct 31 01:18 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3229212 | Oct 31 01:23 |
| schestowitz | "Nuclear armed terrorist, of course." | Oct 31 01:24 |
| schestowitz | "But I'd suggest digging around her back yard, just to be sure. ;-)" | Oct 31 01:24 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.71 | Oct 31 01:26 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3230101 | Oct 31 01:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 'Glamour' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhUj4JlB-Xs | Oct 31 01:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | Photoshop makes anything possible - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fyo5n ] | Oct 31 01:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 31 01:34 |
| schestowitz | OK, you can call that kind of editing "Photoshop". | Oct 31 01:34 |
| schestowitz | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Photoshop | Oct 31 01:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.gnu.org | Words to Avoid (or Use with Care) Because They Are Loaded or Confusing - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/fyo5x ] | Oct 31 01:34 |
| schestowitz | Last weekend, my daughter and I ran across a discarded CK display pedestal in an alley. The white plastic was slick, even in daylight but most of the posters had been removed and it lacked the magic it might have had complete and in careful lighting. There was a woman on the remaining poster, and an arm covered in gold bangles. The woman's face was really distorted, especially her forehead, and it was disturbing if you looked at if for | Oct 31 01:34 |
| schestowitz | more than a second or two. We've mostly sheltered her from mall type stuff but I'm glad she saw that. | Oct 31 01:34 |
| schestowitz | I'm going to show her this. Thanks for sharing. | Oct 31 01:34 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 31 01:34 |
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| schestowitz | My mother showed this to me. Her comment was (or someone who commented on it), this is why many young girls starve themselves to death. There should be a warning on glossy pages, something like CG caution, along the same line as smoking warning labels. When my wife shows me some so-called 'models' or celebs I always say to her, let's see what she really looks like and then we go digging Google Images for images of the same person | Oct 31 01:37 |
| schestowitz | without glamour, makeup, poses, etc. Helps evade unrealistic expectations. | Oct 31 01:37 |
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| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Lech_Johanse | Oct 31 02:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ( status 404 @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Lech_Johanse ) | Oct 31 02:27 |
| schestowitz | "He is most famous for his involvement in the release of the DeCSS software, which decodes the content-scrambling system used for DVD licensing enforcement. Jon is a self-trained software engineer, who quit high school at the first year to spend more time with the DeCSS case. He moved to the United States and worked as a software engineer in October 2005 until November 2006. He then moved to Norway but moved back to the United States | Oct 31 02:28 |
| schestowitz | in June 2007" | Oct 31 02:28 |
| schestowitz | 'About his reverse engineering skills, in a post on his blog he said that in the '90s he started with a book ("Programming the 8086 8088"), the web ("Fravia's site was a goldmine") and IRC ("Lurked in a x86 assembly IRC channel and picked up tips from wise wizards.")[2]" | Oct 31 02:28 |
| schestowitz | "In November 2003, Johansen released QTFairUse, an open source program which dumps the raw output of a QuickTime Advanced Audio Coding (AAC) stream to a file, which could bypass the Digital Rights Management (DRM) software used to encrypt content of music from media such as those distributed by the iTunes Music Store, Apple Computer's online music store. Although these resulting raw AAC files were unplayable by most media players at | Oct 31 02:29 |
| schestowitz | the time of release, they represent the first attempt at circumventing Apple's encryption." | Oct 31 02:29 |
| schestowitz | "In November 2005, a Slashdot story notes[10] that Sony-BMGs XCP DRM software includes code and comments (such as "copyright (c) Apple Computer, Inc. All Rights Reserved."[11]) illegally copied from an iTunes DRM circumvention program by Jon Lech Johansen. A popular claim was that, using the criteria that RIAA uses in its copyright lawsuits, Johansen could sue for billions of dollars in damages.[10]" | Oct 31 02:29 |
| schestowitz | he had been off the radar for 4 years now | Oct 31 02:30 |
| schestowitz | http://nanocr.eu/ | Oct 31 02:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | nanocr.eu | Jon Lech Johansen's blog | Oct 31 02:31 |
| schestowitz | He hardly blogs, either | Oct 31 02:32 |
| schestowitz | maybe once a year | Oct 31 02:32 |
| schestowitz | still uses same photo as in 2005 http://nanocr.eu/about/ | Oct 31 02:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | nanocr.eu | Jon Lech Johansen's blog | Oct 31 02:33 |
| schestowitz | "1998: Installed GNU/Linux for the first time: RedHat 5.0 (still have the CD)" | Oct 31 02:33 |
| schestowitz | Says GNU | Oct 31 02:33 |
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| schestowitz | No update since 'June 2007: Moved back to San Francisco and co-founded doubleTwist Corporation (not related to DoubleTwist Ventures LLC).' | Oct 31 02:34 |
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| XFaCE | "BEFORE changing the headline, one of Britain’s worst papers, known as the Daily Mail," | Oct 31 03:32 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Have you watched potholer54 videos? | Oct 31 03:33 |
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| Sosumi | I've always said that $ony could do no evil | Oct 31 06:13 |
| Sosumi | until they did | Oct 31 06:14 |
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| Sosumi | ps4 stripped out of cd/mp3 capability for $ony's own itunes store | Oct 31 06:14 |
| Sosumi | no kb/mouse support, no external drive support, must pay an one time fee to play dvd/bluray | Oct 31 06:15 |
| Sosumi | remote play with the psp 2 is also being spinned down now, as it may not work that well, | Oct 31 06:16 |
| Sosumi | and a couple of ps3 games can be "upgraded" to play on the ps4, but is if you pay $9.90 | Oct 31 06:18 |
| Sosumi | awesome, my wallet is ready | Oct 31 06:18 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Oct 31 08:47 |
| amarsh04 | good $timeofday | Oct 31 08:56 |
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| iophk | http://www.muktware.com/2013/10/kolab-turns-switzerland-refugee-camp-want-escape-nsa/15340 | Oct 31 09:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.muktware.com | Kolab creates a privacy refugee camp in Switzerland | Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/fyqmj ] | Oct 31 09:50 |
| iophk | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2303959/nokia-wins-patent-case-against-htc-in-the-uk-will-seek-htc-one-ban | Oct 31 10:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theinquirer.net | Nokia wins patent case against HTC in the UK, will seek HTC One ban- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/fyqom ] | Oct 31 10:01 |
| iophk | http://www.techhive.com/article/2059760/some-teens-may-indeed-be-antifacebook.html | Oct 31 10:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.techhive.com | Some teens may indeed be anti-Facebook | TechHive [ http://ur1.ca/fyqqi ] | Oct 31 10:10 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: is memegenerator workinf doe yoyu? | Oct 31 11:34 |
| schestowitz | All the meme images time out | Oct 31 11:34 |
| MinceR | haven't tried | Oct 31 11:34 |
| schestowitz | like their backend engine is kapiut | Oct 31 11:34 |
| schestowitz | e.g. http://memegenerator.net/instance/42601252 | Oct 31 11:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | memegenerator.net | And then I told them Google was secure! | obama laughing | Meme Generator [ http://ur1.ca/fyr5e ] | Oct 31 11:34 |
| schestowitz | I made this request, can't download it | Oct 31 11:34 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: does an image come at the top for you? | Oct 31 11:41 |
| MinceR | nope | Oct 31 11:44 |
| MinceR | none of them load | Oct 31 11:44 |
| MinceR | server doesn't respond | Oct 31 11:46 |
| MinceR | (cdn.meme.li, that is) | Oct 31 11:46 |
| schestowitz | ;-( | Oct 31 11:54 |
| MinceR | something loaded | Oct 31 11:54 |
| schestowitz | I'll retry later | Oct 31 11:54 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sxc.hu seems to be down as well | Oct 31 11:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.sxc.hu | The Leading Source Of Free Stock Photos - stock.xchng | Oct 31 11:56 |
| schestowitz | or not... | Oct 31 11:56 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 11:56 |
| schestowitz | test http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtml?f=search&txt=fraud&w=1&x=0&y=0 | Oct 31 11:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.sxc.hu | Fraud Stock Photos - stock.xchng [ http://ur1.ca/fyr97 ] | Oct 31 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Doesn'\t load fully | Oct 31 11:57 |
| schestowitz | Sort of hanging half way through | Oct 31 11:57 |
| schestowitz | starts to load now, some photos at meme generator | Oct 31 12:12 |
| schestowitz | http://memegenerator.net/instance/42601252 | Oct 31 12:13 |
| MinceR | btw imgur has a meme generator too | Oct 31 12:20 |
| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/10/silent-circle-and-lavabit-launch-darkmail-alliance-to-thwart-e-mail-spying/ | Oct 31 13:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Silent Circle and Lavabit launch “DarkMail Alliance” to thwart e-mail spying | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fyrkh ] | Oct 31 13:04 |
| iophk | They plan to use XMPP instead of SMTP | Oct 31 13:05 |
| iophk | it will be interesting to see more of the plan. | Oct 31 13:05 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 31 13:05 |
| iophk | M$ killed SMTP a while ago with all that Windows bot-net generated spam. | Oct 31 13:06 |
| iophk | Most executives making decisions about tech have probably never experienced the spam-free net. | Oct 31 13:07 |
| iophk | Very little resources seem to have been spent going after the two sources of spam: Windows and those that hire spammers | Oct 31 13:10 |
| iophk | the former would be politically difficult even if high-payoff. The latter would be much easier and just a matter of following the money trail. | Oct 31 13:11 |
| iophk | It would require some funding though. | Oct 31 13:11 |
| iophk | Contrast the Ars article with this spam: https://www.computerworld.com.au/article/530582/silent_circle_lavabit_unite_dark_mail_encrypted_email_project/ | Oct 31 13:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerworld.com.au | Silent Circle, Lavabit unite for 'Dark Mail' encrypted email project - Silent Circle, applications, Lavabit, e-mail, software - Computerworld [ http://ur1.ca/fyrls ] | Oct 31 13:13 |
| iophk | The corruption is now transparent: https://www.networkworld.com/news/2013/103013-tom-wheeler-confirmed-as-new-275398.html | Oct 31 13:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.networkworld.com | Tom Wheeler confirmed as new chief of US FCC - Network World [ http://ur1.ca/fyrm7 ] | Oct 31 13:14 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395847607597408256 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395856444391972864 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395867329932066816 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395886336894566401 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395903781361422336 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395906976808714242 | Oct 31 13:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Richard Stallman on Banks and Foreclosures http://t.co/XeDEaaVyqB ]fixed DNS issue the site had yesterday] #techrights | Oct 31 13:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Richard Stallman on Banks and Foreclosures | Techrights | Oct 31 13:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Disregard For Users’ Privacy Still Haunts Canonical Founder Mark Shuttleworth http://t.co/MlnSE9QbdN #ubuntu #canonical #privacy | Oct 31 13:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Disregard For Users’ Privacy Still Haunts Canonical Founder Mark Shuttleworth | Techrights | Oct 31 13:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The Fourth Estate (Media) Absolutely Vital for Bringing/Restoring Justice http://t.co/BkoBJxNxlg #journalism #truth #privacy #wikileaks | Oct 31 13:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | The Fourth Estate (Media) Absolutely Vital for Bringing/Restoring Justice | Techrights | Oct 31 13:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: GNU/Linux Efficiency Helps the Environment http://t.co/oVXNcF5MQf #energy #environment #gnu #linux | Oct 31 13:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | GNU/Linux Efficiency Helps the Environment | Techrights | Oct 31 13:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Back Door (Automatic Update) in WordPress and What It Means to Techrights http://t.co/kdNmbi8AG1 #wordpress #security #nsa | Oct 31 13:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Back Door (Automatic Update) in WordPress and What It Means to Techrights | Techrights | Oct 31 13:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Google and Other Internet Giants Lied Because the NSA Gets Data Without Subpoena or Even a Warrant http://t.co/MueKflD9Pk #google #yahoo | Oct 31 13:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Google and Other Internet Giants Lied Because the NSA Gets Data Without Subpoena or Even a Warrant | Techrights | Oct 31 13:38 |
| iophk | http://www.usatoday.com/story/cybertruth/2013/10/30/how-snowden-is-returning-privacy-to-a-social-norm/3318559/ | Oct 31 14:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.usatoday.com | How Snowden is returning privacy to a social norm [ http://ur1.ca/fyrue ] | Oct 31 14:05 |
| iophk | A little old - http://dot.kde.org/2013/10/02/ezgo-free-and-open-source-software-taiwans-schools | Oct 31 14:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | dot.kde.org | ezgo - Free And Open Source Software In Taiwan's Schools | KDE.news [ http://ur1.ca/fyrwv ] | Oct 31 14:24 |
| iophk | https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/germanys-security-experts-rate-open-source-website-systems | Oct 31 14:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | joinup.ec.europa.eu | Germany's security experts rate open source website systems | Joinup [ http://ur1.ca/fyrxq ] | Oct 31 14:29 |
| iophk | http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/30/technology/social/facebook-earnings/ | Oct 31 14:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | money.cnn.com | Facebook soars after solidly beating Wall Street forecasts - Oct. 30, 2013 [ http://ur1.ca/fyry7 ] | Oct 31 14:31 |
| schestowitz | spying reigns | Oct 31 14:31 |
| iophk | funny but the objection to social networks back in the 90's was that they were to invasive of privacy. | Oct 31 14:32 |
| iophk | How did judgment get thrown out so solidly since then? | Oct 31 14:32 |
| iophk | to->too | Oct 31 14:32 |
| schestowitz | [13:06] <iophk> M$ killed SMTP a while ago with all that Windows bot-net generated spam. | Oct 31 14:39 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Oct 31 14:39 |
| iophk | We saw it happen... | Oct 31 14:39 |
| schestowitz | I don't use my ISP's SMTP server | Oct 31 14:40 |
| schestowitz | I use my own with auth | Oct 31 14:40 |
| schestowitz | and with TLS/SSL | Oct 31 14:40 |
| schestowitz | plus PGP where possible | Oct 31 14:40 |
| schestowitz | x` | Oct 31 14:41 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: I watched almost every video in potholer and his other channel potholdedebunks | Oct 31 14:41 |
| schestowitz | He's one of my favs | Oct 31 14:41 |
| schestowitz | Peter hatfield I think his name was | Oct 31 14:41 |
| XFaCE | hadfield | Oct 31 14:43 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: he chastises Daily Mail all the time | Oct 31 14:43 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395924456650334208 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395923627931340800 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395922565996503040 | Oct 31 14:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Some teens may indeed be anti-Facebook http://t.co/4k9j7EDuT0 #facebook | Oct 31 14:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.techhive.com | Some teens may indeed be anti-Facebook | TechHive | Oct 31 14:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Kolab creates a privacy refugee camp in Switzerland http://t.co/sSgI0ZHHL9 #kolab #privacy | Oct 31 14:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.muktware.com | Kolab creates a privacy refugee camp in Switzerland | Muktware | Oct 31 14:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Corruption: "former investor and head of telecommunications industry groups" becomes their 'regulator' https://t.co/7NEFYuGUKt | Oct 31 14:47 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395922316313767936 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395921940323762176 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395921730163978240 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395921087500156928 | Oct 31 14:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Germany's security experts rate open source website systems https://t.co/PQ61fomNRM #germany #cms #freedom #sharing | Oct 31 14:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Can Snowden revert privacy to a social norm? http://t.co/aphniQgRYL #privacy #snowden | Oct 31 14:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Silent Circle and #Lavabit launch “DarkMail Alliance” to thwart #email #spying http://t.co/1Q33BoWz0R https://t.co/wsRy9qzLQD | Oct 31 14:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | Silent Circle and Lavabit launch “DarkMail Alliance” to thwart e-mail spying | Ars Technica | Oct 31 14:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.computerworld.com.au | Silent Circle, Lavabit unite for 'Dark Mail' encrypted email project - Silent Circle, applications, Lavabit, e-mail, software - Computerworld | Oct 31 14:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: In #facebook "young teens are losing interest in" http://t.co/BmV11bC4jq | Oct 31 14:48 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395913990775508992 | Oct 31 14:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Last night I watched the 2010 remake of Karate Kid. It taught me that the Chinese are dumb and violent. Typical #hollywood slant. | Oct 31 14:48 |
| iophk | The Collusion plug-in for Firefox is apparently now named Lightbeam and is considered out of beta. | Oct 31 14:56 |
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| lirodon | So in your opinion, anything with automatic updates is a security threat and should be avoided? | Oct 31 15:03 |
| Sosumi | what if an intelligence agency is using some vulnerability in the software to push a blob that gives them access to your computer | Oct 31 15:36 |
| Sosumi | so automatic updates are a liability | Oct 31 15:36 |
| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/meet-badbios-the-mysterious-mac-and-pc-malware-that-jumps-airgaps/ | Oct 31 15:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Meet “badBIOS,” the mysterious Mac and PC malware that jumps airgaps | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fys2h ] | Oct 31 15:44 |
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| iophk | http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/03/magazine/why-apple-wants-to-bust-your-iphone.html | Oct 31 16:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/fyskw ] | Oct 31 16:51 |
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| MinceR | updates should be subject to approval by the user | Oct 31 17:20 |
| MinceR | also, m$ is not trustworthy in anything, including code | Oct 31 17:21 |
| iophk | MinceR: M$ trustworthiness has been the elephant in the room | Oct 31 17:21 |
| iophk | not even Schneier has brought it up | Oct 31 17:22 |
| MinceR | also, this is my view, and does not necessarily represent that of techrights | Oct 31 17:22 |
| MinceR | iophk: indeed | Oct 31 17:22 |
| iophk | it was one of the first in PRISM | Oct 31 17:22 |
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| Sosumi | I read a paper a while ago about exploiting auto update in itunes to push gov malware into the computer | Oct 31 17:51 |
| Sosumi | nothing to do with apple knowingly leaving vulnerabilities unpatched for years so that instelligence agencies could hack in | Oct 31 17:53 |
| Sosumi | by exploiting, again, itunes | Oct 31 17:53 |
| Sosumi | or should I say phonyTunes | Oct 31 17:53 |
| Sosumi | because that thing is filled with crap | Oct 31 17:54 |
| Sosumi | it doesn't even feature Ronnie Dio's full discography | Oct 31 17:54 |
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| Sosumi | LG G2 is finally on sale here in PT, no word of the nexus 5 yet | Oct 31 17:57 |
| iophk | Any FirefoxOS phones yet? | Oct 31 18:14 |
| Sosumi | nop nothing available here with firefox OS pre-instaled | Oct 31 18:15 |
| MinceR | there are several out for sale, afaik... but not in hungaristan. | Oct 31 18:15 |
| iophk | Would it make sense to buy other hardware and then install FirefoxOS instead of Cyanogenmod? | Oct 31 18:15 |
| Sosumi | I'd stick to nexus series for that | Oct 31 18:17 |
| MinceR | hm, maybe they were merely announced | Oct 31 18:18 |
| Sosumi | just wait, but for firmware modding nexus is the way to go | Oct 31 18:18 |
| Sosumi | because they're much cheaper | Oct 31 18:18 |
| MinceR | amazon.com lists ZTE Open and Alcatel One Touch Fire | Oct 31 18:18 |
| Sosumi | argh amazon, that company that is going to take an entire month to ship me 3 books | Oct 31 18:20 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 31 18:22 |
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| iophk | http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1664588 | Oct 31 20:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | forums.macrumors.com | Western Digital Warns External Hard Drive Customers Over Mavericks Data Loss - MacRumors Forums [ http://ur1.ca/fytfn ] | Oct 31 20:12 |
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| MinceR | moral of the story: 1. don't use crApple products 2. don't use the crapware that comes with your data storage devices | Oct 31 20:21 |
| Snowleaksange | apple product not crappy tho. ms product are i agree. but apple makes quality stuff | Oct 31 20:24 |
| Snowleaksange | might be overpriced and spy on you etc, but still best products planet makes | Oct 31 20:24 |
| MinceR | yeah, quality stuff | Oct 31 20:25 |
| MinceR | like the only mobile phone that makes galvanic contact with the user's hand by design | Oct 31 20:26 |
| MinceR | and like the patented(!) power connector that melts itself | Oct 31 20:26 |
| Snowleaksange | fake | Oct 31 20:26 |
| MinceR | sure, keep telling yourself that | Oct 31 20:26 |
| Snowleaksange | youre citing blogspot for your power adaptor melting info | Oct 31 20:27 |
| MinceR | gotta deal with that cognitive dissonance somehow | Oct 31 20:27 |
| MinceR | no, i'm citing dozens of websites | Oct 31 20:27 |
| Snowleaksange | lol | Oct 31 20:27 |
| Snowleaksange | newb | Oct 31 20:27 |
| MinceR | grow up. | Oct 31 20:27 |
| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3161#comic | Oct 31 20:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal [ http://ur1.ca/fythi ] | Oct 31 20:28 |
| Sosumi | apple and quality... | Oct 31 20:38 |
| Sosumi | yeah right.... | Oct 31 20:38 |
| Sosumi | only apple quality makes you able to cook your lunch on a macbook pro | Oct 31 20:43 |
| MinceR | and i didn't even mention the quality of crApple software | Oct 31 20:43 |
| MinceR | and the support they "provide" | Oct 31 20:44 |
| Sosumi | and burn a hole in your ass, lol batteries | Oct 31 20:44 |
| Sosumi | well you heard me | Oct 31 20:44 |
| MinceR | exploding hypePhones | Oct 31 20:44 |
| Sosumi | that I experienced memory leaks in moronicks and performance issues with apple's java runtime 6 | Oct 31 20:45 |
| Sosumi | since current versions of mathematica and matlab can't run on oracle's java | Oct 31 20:45 |
| Sosumi | no problems with openjdk on fedora/rhel nor on winblows | Oct 31 20:47 |
| Sosumi | also crapple's opengl is still lagging behind | Oct 31 20:47 |
| Sosumi | 2010 was 3 years ago | Oct 31 20:48 |
| Sosumi | and from my own experience, I've never had memory leaks on linux nor on windows | Oct 31 20:48 |
| Sosumi | nor on osx 10.3 to 10.6 | Oct 31 20:49 |
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| Sosumi | after 10.6 things have been finicky with osx | Oct 31 20:50 |
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| Sosumi | and crapple doesn't seem to bothered with that either, just keep buying their stuff | Oct 31 20:51 |
| Sosumi | so don't forget to make a another mortage in your home so you can buy the trashcan pro | Oct 31 20:52 |
| MinceR | well, so long as it has the logo, they'll keep buying it | Oct 31 20:52 |
| Sosumi | and some insrance, because the thing may catch fire because of it's cooling system, | Oct 31 20:52 |
| Sosumi | or should I say, lack of it | Oct 31 20:52 |
| Sosumi | and applecare is junk | Oct 31 20:53 |
| Sosumi | individual components have much longer warranties | Oct 31 20:53 |
| Sosumi | for example corsair does 7 years on their top psus, gskill lifetime, asus 3 years and so on | Oct 31 20:54 |
| Sosumi | if not wanting to deal with individual manufactures HP is the way to go | Oct 31 20:55 |
| Sosumi | their Z800 workstations just scream and they have standard 3 years warranty | Oct 31 20:55 |
| Sosumi | at least here in PT | Oct 31 20:55 |
| Sosumi | and are not cippled in any conceivable way | Oct 31 20:56 |
| Sosumi | *crippled | Oct 31 20:56 |
| Sosumi | and you have rhel as option in case you don't want winblows | Oct 31 20:56 |
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| Sosumi | so what's the argument in favor of the mac? | Oct 31 20:57 |
| Sosumi | actually at this point | Oct 31 20:57 |
| Sosumi | none | Oct 31 20:57 |
| Sosumi | it's a shiny thing for the stupid | Oct 31 20:58 |
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| MinceR | i can think of two arguments: "but it has the logo!" and "but i have so much money i don't know what to do with!" | Oct 31 20:59 |
| Sosumi | you mean toilet paper? | Oct 31 20:59 |
| MinceR | could be coins | Oct 31 20:59 |
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| MinceR | or numbers in a banking system | Oct 31 20:59 |
| Sosumi | if it's not backed by anything it isn't worth anything :) | Oct 31 21:00 |
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| Sosumi | exchange paper for gold, silver | Oct 31 21:00 |
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| Sosumi | things that hold value through the times | Oct 31 21:01 |
| Sosumi | save them and liquidate them when needed | Oct 31 21:01 |
| MinceR | the value of gold and silver is also mostly a social construct, afaik | Oct 31 21:01 |
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| Sosumi | but it never goes to zero, paper money does | Oct 31 21:06 |
| MinceR | if civilization collapses, they might lose their value as well | Oct 31 21:06 |
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| MinceR | nah, paper itself also has some value | Oct 31 21:06 |
| MinceR | not a lot, but some | Oct 31 21:06 |
| Sosumi | well, just don't keep it in the bank | Oct 31 21:06 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 21:06 |
| Sosumi | or you might be cypried | Oct 31 21:06 |
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| MinceR | diversification of your portfolio can help | Oct 31 21:06 |
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| Sosumi | yes, gold, silver, real estate, intelectual property (real one not monopolization) | Oct 31 21:06 |
| MinceR | also, banknotes _are_ backed by something -- belief and trust in their value :> | Oct 31 21:07 |
| Sosumi | I really wouldn't trust that nor certificates of the treasure (folks holding "pubic" debt) | Oct 31 21:08 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 21:08 |
| Sosumi | banks are in a mess and the gov only has money to pay the interest | Oct 31 21:08 |
| Sosumi | and debt just keep pilling up | Oct 31 21:08 |
| Sosumi | *keeps | Oct 31 21:08 |
| MinceR | but that's still peachy compared to hungary | Oct 31 21:09 |
| MinceR | which is doomed | Oct 31 21:09 |
| Sosumi | plus there are rumors. already denied (lmao) of a second bailout | Oct 31 21:09 |
| Sosumi | and things are confirmed when they're officially denied | Oct 31 21:09 |
| Sosumi | and why have one when you can two, or three and more austerity? | Oct 31 21:10 |
| Sosumi | you can also pay your mastercard with the visa and then get an amex to pay both | Oct 31 21:10 |
| Sosumi | lawl | Oct 31 21:10 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 31 21:10 |
| Sosumi | and hey they did just confiscate secondary pensions and are already yaping about more pension cuts | Oct 31 21:15 |
| MinceR | they stole my pension fund | Oct 31 21:15 |
| MinceR | and they say they've saved them | Oct 31 21:15 |
| Sosumi | but no one bothered, although it was the fruits of their labour that got lost/stollen/robbed | Oct 31 21:15 |
| MinceR | fucking nazis (fidesz) | Oct 31 21:15 |
| MinceR | then again, most of the eu is ruled by fundies and similar folk in league with them | Oct 31 21:16 |
| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_People%27s_Party | Oct 31 21:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | European People's Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/5bmu ] | Oct 31 21:16 |
| MinceR | this criminal gang | Oct 31 21:16 |
| MinceR | the western world is experimenting with internet censorship | Oct 31 21:17 |
| MinceR | pcs are being replaced with untrustworthy uefi appliances | Oct 31 21:18 |
| MinceR | it's such a great era to be alive in | Oct 31 21:18 |
| Sosumi | people's party, only it's about selling them to multinationals and the big money power | Oct 31 21:19 |
| Sosumi | *if | Oct 31 21:19 |
| MinceR | oh, and all sorts of fundie states who believe if they all die they'll all just go to heaven own nukes | Oct 31 21:19 |
| Sosumi | heaven? I though they were secular humanists :) | Oct 31 21:20 |
| Sosumi | or commies/colectivists | Oct 31 21:20 |
| Sosumi | only with the rejection of a God or creator can man indulge himself in what I call degenerate behaviour | Oct 31 21:21 |
| Sosumi | because he has no ideal of "perfection" | Oct 31 21:21 |
| Sosumi | this is nothing about religion | Oct 31 21:21 |
| Sosumi | and my idol Gottfried Liebnitz did write about that | Oct 31 21:21 |
| Sosumi | another name for what I wrote is moral relativism | Oct 31 21:22 |
| Sosumi | you know, the guy that battled that fraud called newton in the calculus development and co-founded the russian academy of science | Oct 31 21:23 |
| Sosumi | actually newton and galileu are frauds and plagiarists since everything they wrote was derived from kepler's theories | Oct 31 21:24 |
| MinceR | nope | Oct 31 21:24 |
| MinceR | the ideal of perfection they merely use to flatter themselves in their minds | Oct 31 21:24 |
| Sosumi | and that has name, narcisist sociopaths | Oct 31 21:25 |
| MinceR | that's a broader category, though | Oct 31 21:25 |
| Sosumi | and some do tend to be very articulate a la snake charmer | Oct 31 21:25 |
| MinceR | also, this whole 'you need a god to be moral' is just fundie bullshit from people whose idea of morality is 'you can buy slaves so long as they're gentiles' and 'women are chattel' | Oct 31 21:26 |
| Sosumi | that's the spin put down by the priesthoods | Oct 31 21:26 |
| MinceR | also, 'it's the pinnacle of moral perfection to curse a fig tree to never again bear fruit because it had the audacity to not be in fruiting season when you wanted to eat some fig' | Oct 31 21:26 |
| Sosumi | watch out for that | Oct 31 21:26 |
| MinceR | and of course the good old 'it's moral to punish someone for the sins of his ancestors and/or descendants' | Oct 31 21:27 |
| Sosumi | that's not striving for perfection | Oct 31 21:28 |
| Sosumi | and who says that is subverting that | Oct 31 21:28 |
| MinceR | do you think that abrahamic religions have a less twisted idea of what perfection is than their idea of what morality is? | Oct 31 21:28 |
| MinceR | well, there's the old "all-knowing, all-powerful, all-benevolent deity creating a world full of evil and suffering" thing | Oct 31 21:29 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter if they strive for perfection if they don't have the foggiest idea of what it is | Oct 31 21:29 |
| Sosumi | I don't follow religions, they are just a system in which a mediator, the priest, says wathever he is allowed to say in his doctrine | Oct 31 21:30 |
| MinceR | they're some of the most successful and most destructive memes | Oct 31 21:30 |
| Sosumi | if you can distinguish through common sense what is right and wrong | Oct 31 21:30 |
| MinceR | people who have that common sense often deny it | Oct 31 21:31 |
| Sosumi | well, that I don't know, we're not talking about an exact science | Oct 31 21:32 |
| MinceR | it's a lot more exact than the cultists would like it to be | Oct 31 21:32 |
| Sosumi | exaplain | Oct 31 21:33 |
| Sosumi | *explain | Oct 31 21:33 |
| MinceR | there are many cases in which it is obvious which would be the more ethical choice | Oct 31 21:33 |
| MinceR | and from a simple principle, it is possible to build a powerful system of ethics | Oct 31 21:34 |
| MinceR | with science | Oct 31 21:34 |
| MinceR | though Sam Harris could explain it much better than i could :) | Oct 31 21:34 |
| Sosumi | never heard of sam harris, but'll look into him later | Oct 31 21:40 |
| Sosumi | ios 7, 64 bits build has stability issues | Oct 31 21:53 |
| Sosumi | including low memory warnings | Oct 31 21:53 |
| Sosumi | the iJunk only come with 1GB ram | Oct 31 21:53 |
| Sosumi | no wonder | Oct 31 21:53 |
| MinceR | one would think 1GB should be enough for a featurephone :> | Oct 31 21:54 |
| Sosumi | at this point 3GB min | Oct 31 21:54 |
| Sosumi | http://www.anandtech.com/show/7460/apple-ipad-air-review/9 | Oct 31 21:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.anandtech.com | AnandTech | The iPad Air Review [ http://ur1.ca/fytsb ] | Oct 31 21:55 |
| Sosumi | quoting | Oct 31 21:55 |
| Sosumi | "Although things seem to have improved with iOS 7.0.3, the 64-bit builds of the OS still seem to run into stability issues more frequently than their 32-bit counterparts. I still see low memory errors associated with any crashes. It could just be that the move to 64-bit applications (and associated memory pressure) is putting more stress on iOS’ memory management routines, which in turn exposes some weaknesses. The iPad Air crashed a | Oct 31 21:55 |
| Sosumi | couple of times on me (3 times total during the past week), but no where near as much as earlier devices running iOS 7.0.1." | Oct 31 21:55 |
| MinceR | well, i'd expect them to use a _little_ more memory | Oct 31 21:56 |
| Sosumi | well, common sense says that too | Oct 31 21:56 |
| Sosumi | but you know | Oct 31 21:56 |
| Sosumi | "think different" | Oct 31 21:57 |
| MinceR | more like "think less" or "don't think" | Oct 31 21:57 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 31 21:57 |
| Sosumi | that gave an idea | Oct 31 21:57 |
| MinceR | (which is of course what their "engineers" are doing) | Oct 31 21:57 |
| Sosumi | *me | Oct 31 21:58 |
| Sosumi | why not build a cluster of trashcan pros inside a fridge | Oct 31 21:58 |
| Sosumi | that'd keep them cool | Oct 31 21:58 |
| MinceR | costs too much, no point | Oct 31 21:58 |
| Sosumi | much better than the wine racks | Oct 31 21:58 |
| Sosumi | I know | Oct 31 21:58 |
| Sosumi | just trolling | Oct 31 21:58 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 31 21:59 |
| MinceR | especially considering that nobody could see the logo through the fridge | Oct 31 21:59 |
| MinceR | at that rate, you could just put real computers in the fridge | Oct 31 21:59 |
| Sosumi | the logo is in the back anyways | Oct 31 21:59 |
| MinceR | then again, they do make fridges with glass doors... | Oct 31 21:59 |
| MinceR | for shops at least | Oct 31 21:59 |
| Sosumi | yeah, but insolation on those isn't that great | Oct 31 22:00 |
| MinceR | whoever operates this could afford the extra power costs though | Oct 31 22:00 |
| Sosumi | or move to the south pole | Oct 31 22:01 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 22:01 |
| Sosumi | I heard they have nazi bases and flying saucers there | Oct 31 22:01 |
| Sosumi | operation highjump rings a bell | Oct 31 22:01 |
| MinceR | interesting | Oct 31 22:01 |
| MinceR | i thought we had more nazis here in hungary | Oct 31 22:01 |
| Sosumi | we have nazis everywhere | Oct 31 22:02 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 31 22:02 |
| Sosumi | nazis = national socialists | Oct 31 22:02 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 31 22:02 |
| MinceR | that's the sense i used it in | Oct 31 22:02 |
| Sosumi | yep, that's also how I interpreted it | Oct 31 22:03 |
| Sosumi | nothing really to do with the endeavours of the national socialist german workers party of adolf shicklegruber or wathever | Oct 31 22:04 |
| Sosumi | and winblows 8.1 has been fully cracked | Oct 31 22:06 |
| Sosumi | there's already available a VM for KMS 6 | Oct 31 22:07 |
| Sosumi | instead of having to set up a remote server | Oct 31 22:07 |
| Sosumi | still why bother :) gnu/linux is free | Oct 31 22:07 |
| Sosumi | and works better | Oct 31 22:07 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 31 22:08 |
| Sosumi | the only whatnot is the mess with the efi | Oct 31 22:08 |
| MinceR | though at least it helps people who are forced into using winblows-only software to not contribute to a fund that's destroying our freedom | Oct 31 22:09 |
| Sosumi | everytime there's a efi firmware update I lose the boot marker on my board config page | Oct 31 22:09 |
| Sosumi | forcing me to reinstall grub | Oct 31 22:09 |
| MinceR | ...or winblows-only hardware | Oct 31 22:09 |
| Sosumi | no, it's just the efi, losing that and you get the message there's no OS installed | Oct 31 22:10 |
| Sosumi | hardware isn't exactly windows only | Oct 31 22:10 |
| Sosumi | I don't know if it does the same with winblows, since I've never tested | Oct 31 22:10 |
| MinceR | i mean peripherals that require a winblows-only driver that nobody bothered to write a non-crap driver for | Oct 31 22:10 |
| Sosumi | I'm yet to find something that doesn't work linux | Oct 31 22:11 |
| Sosumi | *on | Oct 31 22:11 |
| MinceR | i used to, but i'm not up-to-date anymore | Oct 31 22:12 |
| Sosumi | but I don't have that many peripherals that require special drivers, maybe the mouse in order to config | Oct 31 22:12 |
| Sosumi | but cba, it worked well out of the box and the additional buttoms all workj | Oct 31 22:13 |
| Sosumi | steelseries sensei is the thing | Oct 31 22:13 |
| MinceR | yours doesn't reboot if you click one of the buttons on the right side? | Oct 31 22:13 |
| Sosumi | nop | Oct 31 22:13 |
| MinceR | i had to reconfigure it to stop it from doing that | Oct 31 22:13 |
| Sosumi | right side buttoms can be used to fast scrool | Oct 31 22:14 |
| Sosumi | other than that, kb is just a steelseries 7g, outside of being mechanical and ps/2 doesn't have anything fancy | Oct 31 22:15 |
| MinceR | my logitech g710+ is usable without extra drivers as well | Oct 31 22:16 |
| MinceR | though someone did write a driver for it | Oct 31 22:16 |
| Sosumi | and my scanner, epson 4990 photo has linux drivers too, although they're outsourced to a third party | Oct 31 22:16 |
| Sosumi | and that's pretty much it, printing works fine out of the box | Oct 31 22:18 |
| Sosumi | and so on | Oct 31 22:18 |
| Sosumi | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/dell-laptop-cat-pee-smell,24911.html#xtor=RSS-999 | Oct 31 22:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tomshardware.com | Dell Insists There's No Cat Pee in the Latitude 6420u Laptop [ http://ur1.ca/fytv2 ] | Oct 31 22:21 |
| Sosumi | what about apple cinder? | Oct 31 22:21 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 31 22:21 |
| Sosumi | asus has finally put on sale their new laptops here in pt | Oct 31 22:22 |
| MinceR | which ones? | Oct 31 22:23 |
| Sosumi | 2390€ for an i7 4700HQ an, 32GB ram and gtx780 | Oct 31 22:23 |
| Sosumi | much cheaper than what dell wants for their alienware | Oct 31 22:23 |
| Sosumi | 3200€ | Oct 31 22:24 |
| Sosumi | the G series | Oct 31 22:24 |
| Sosumi | which are the only decent laptops around here | Oct 31 22:24 |
| Sosumi | outside the mobile workstations that aren't crippled in some way and don't try to mimick the macbooks | Oct 31 22:24 |
| Sosumi | but not getting it, too expensive for a pdf reader, latex editor on the go | Oct 31 22:25 |
| Sosumi | that was why I was still using a compaq armada with a 866 MHz P3 | Oct 31 22:26 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 22:26 |
| Sosumi | now all I have is a wall street powerbook G3 from 1998 | Oct 31 22:26 |
| Sosumi | which was my 1st computer | Oct 31 22:27 |
| MinceR | wall street? | Oct 31 22:27 |
| Sosumi | yes | Oct 31 22:27 |
| Sosumi | https://www.google.pt/search?q=wall+street+powerbook+g3&client=firefox-a&hs=LwM&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=GtlyUrqtJZGu7AawkoGACQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=1039#q=wallstreet+powerbook+g3&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&spell=1&tbm=isch | Oct 31 22:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.google.pt | wall street powerbook g3 - Pesquisa do Google [ http://ur1.ca/fytvp ] | Oct 31 22:28 |
| Sosumi | that onw | Oct 31 22:29 |
| Sosumi | *one | Oct 31 22:29 |
| Sosumi | got it when I was 10 years old back in 2000 | Oct 31 22:29 |
| Sosumi | from my uncle | Oct 31 22:29 |
| MinceR | ah, code name | Oct 31 22:30 |
| MinceR | looks like a laptop that's been left out in the sun for too long | Oct 31 22:30 |
| Sosumi | it actually looks nice and I like the ability of removing the drives | Oct 31 22:31 |
| Sosumi | like pop out the cd drive for another battery | Oct 31 22:31 |
| Sosumi | or a super disk drive | Oct 31 22:32 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 22:32 |
| Sosumi | laptops can't do that now | Oct 31 22:32 |
| MinceR | my ThinkPad W700 can do that | Oct 31 22:32 |
| Sosumi | which is shamefull | Oct 31 22:32 |
| Sosumi | yes | Oct 31 22:32 |
| Sosumi | but I'll see if I can nab something from someone | Oct 31 22:33 |
| Sosumi | since I pratically refuse to buy computer in which I can't change components | Oct 31 22:34 |
| Sosumi | so I basically look into used laptops | Oct 31 22:34 |
| MinceR | afaik in many current laptops you can still replace memory, hdd and battery | Oct 31 22:35 |
| MinceR | and of course ExpressCards | Oct 31 22:35 |
| Sosumi | nah cpu and gpu is what matters | Oct 31 22:35 |
| Sosumi | since no laptop can actually satisfy my needs | Oct 31 22:36 |
| MinceR | then again, my most recent laptop is over 2 years old | Oct 31 22:36 |
| Sosumi | as long as I can ssh into my system or the university system I really don't care | Oct 31 22:36 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 22:36 |
| Sosumi | plus control the costs, for example with the money I'd be paying for that asus | Oct 31 22:37 |
| Sosumi | I'd be able to get 3 radeon r290 | Oct 31 22:38 |
| Sosumi | or two titans | Oct 31 22:38 |
| Sosumi | for the things that really matter | Oct 31 22:38 |
| Sosumi | or pay 2 years of tuition | Oct 31 22:38 |
| Sosumi | :( | Oct 31 22:38 |
| Sosumi | it's around 1300€ each year | Oct 31 22:39 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 31 22:39 |
| MinceR | i finished university while it was still (mostly) paid through taxes | Oct 31 22:39 |
| MinceR | then again, the hungarian education system is (also) falling apart | Oct 31 22:40 |
| Sosumi | so is the portuguese :) | Oct 31 22:40 |
| Sosumi | it's trash | Oct 31 22:40 |
| Sosumi | and I've never gone into university for their teaching or guidance | Oct 31 22:41 |
| Sosumi | couldn't care less | Oct 31 22:41 |
| Sosumi | I'm there for their resources | Oct 31 22:41 |
| MinceR | i went there for teaching and the paper | Oct 31 22:41 |
| MinceR | was disappointed in the former, though | Oct 31 22:41 |
| Sosumi | tests and projects for me are just seen as chores | Oct 31 22:41 |
| Sosumi | which course did you pick up? | Oct 31 22:43 |
| MinceR | technical informatics | Oct 31 22:43 |
| Sosumi | I'm doing physics and computer engineering | Oct 31 22:44 |
| Sosumi | CE I started this year | Oct 31 22:45 |
| Sosumi | physics I'm on the master | Oct 31 22:45 |
| Sosumi | although, the courses converge a bit | Oct 31 22:46 |
| Sosumi | so I have equivalences | Oct 31 22:47 |
| MinceR | is CE a hardware-oriented course? | Oct 31 22:47 |
| Sosumi | no, it's our version of computer sciecne | Oct 31 22:47 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 31 22:47 |
| Sosumi | we just don't call it that | Oct 31 22:47 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 22:47 |
| MinceR | yeah, afaik "informatics" isn't used much in english-speaking countries either | Oct 31 22:48 |
| Sosumi | for hardware oriented we have electronic engineering and computers | Oct 31 22:49 |
| Sosumi | http://tecnico.ulisboa.pt/en/education/ | Oct 31 22:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | tecnico.ulisboa.pt | Education | Técnico Lisboa | Oct 31 22:49 |
| Sosumi | not that many good looking girls in there too | Oct 31 22:51 |
| Sosumi | and the decent ones are only in chemical engineering | Oct 31 22:51 |
| Sosumi | but cba, trully, I'm looking for a wife | Oct 31 22:52 |
| Sosumi | and haven't seen one there that I could say, this is the one | Oct 31 22:52 |
| MinceR | what does 'cba' stand for? | Oct 31 22:52 |
| Sosumi | can't be arsed | Oct 31 22:52 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 22:52 |
| Sosumi | now the gym I go to, every morning, you basically wash your eyes everytime you go there | Oct 31 22:53 |
| Sosumi | not bad, although it has it's days too | Oct 31 22:54 |
| Sosumi | joke of the day | Oct 31 22:56 |
| Sosumi | imac's gtx 780m is just an underclocked gtx 680 | Oct 31 22:57 |
| Sosumi | from a guy selling is good mac pro for an imac *facepalm* | Oct 31 22:58 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 22:58 |
| Sosumi | 1.1 models although crippled by apple | Oct 31 22:58 |
| Sosumi | in the firmware, 32 bit efi vs 64bit efi | Oct 31 22:59 |
| Sosumi | can boot into 64 bits on gnu/linux or winblows | Oct 31 22:59 |
| Sosumi | plus the xeons used on those | Oct 31 22:59 |
| Sosumi | are dirt cheap to get | Oct 31 23:00 |
| Sosumi | in case of a cpu upgrade | Oct 31 23:00 |
| Sosumi | apple's fanboys current attitude and that is discarding paid chills by apple or subcontractors | Oct 31 23:02 |
| Sosumi | resembles stockolm sindrome | Oct 31 23:02 |
| MinceR | i don't understand the "discarding paid chills" part | Oct 31 23:03 |
| Sosumi | btw I'm referring to macrumors.com, cult of mac and appleinsider | Oct 31 23:03 |
| Sosumi | ppl that are paid to monitor and counter negative comments | Oct 31 23:03 |
| MinceR | oh, shills | Oct 31 23:03 |
| Sosumi | yeah sorry, my bad :) | Oct 31 23:03 |
| MinceR | i don't much read those three sites | Oct 31 23:04 |
| Sosumi | I just like to go there and flame | Oct 31 23:04 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 23:05 |
| Sosumi | so I can get my, satisfaction :) | Oct 31 23:06 |
| Sosumi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5bYDhZBFLA | Oct 31 23:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Benny Benassi - 'Satisfaction' (Official Video) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fyu03 ] | Oct 31 23:06 |
| Sosumi | lol at the video | Oct 31 23:06 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 23:06 |
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| Sosumi | testing winblows 8.1 on a VM right now | Nov 01 00:00 |
| Sosumi | had to:) | Nov 01 00:00 |
| Sosumi | 1,2 GB ram vs 2.66 GB of OSX right after boot | Nov 01 00:00 |
| Sosumi | also faster install vs OSX | Nov 01 00:00 |
| Sosumi | I'll test it further in two weeks after I'm done with the incoming round of exams | Nov 01 00:05 |
| Sosumi | but I bet it'll be the usual, OSX the worst performer | Nov 01 00:05 |
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| MinceR | http://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2013/10/31/president-obamas-fashionable-new-ad | Nov 01 00:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.madmagazine.com | President Obama’s Fashionable New Ad | Mad Magazine [ http://ur1.ca/fyuaq ] | Nov 01 00:32 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 01 00:37 |
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| iophk | http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/01/21268571-open-source-advocates-to-government-let-us-help-you-fix-healthcaregov?lite | Nov 01 09:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | investigations.nbcnews.com | Open-source advocates to government: Let us help you fix healthcare.gov - Investigations [ http://ur1.ca/fywkm ] | Nov 01 09:53 |
| iophk | I'm not sure why a public-access web site would even need javascript to begin with. | Nov 01 09:53 |
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| schestowitz__ | iophk: I have just used your link in Jamaica’s Ministry of Health and Interior Ministry of France Pave the Way for US to Embrace GNU-Inspired Software Freedom http://techrights.org/2013/11/01/foss-in-national-level/ | Nov 01 12:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | Jamaica’s Ministry of Health and Interior Ministry of France Pave the Way for US to Embrace GNU-Inspired Software Freedom | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fyx4h ] | Nov 01 12:02 |
| iophk | Cool | Nov 01 12:02 |
| iophk | In the US, two major agencies use FOSS for health care infrastructure | Nov 01 12:03 |
| iophk | also | Nov 01 12:03 |
| iophk | but they use VistA instead | Nov 01 12:03 |
| iophk | VistA is public domain but some derivatives are GPL | Nov 01 12:05 |
| schestowitz__ | yes, I forgot to mention it | Nov 01 12:12 |
| schestowitz__ | could use a comment or update | Nov 01 12:12 |
| schestowitz__ | By the way, yesterday I found out who's trolling Pogson so much in comments | Nov 01 12:12 |
| schestowitz__ | It's those troll hordes (like moingol hordes) from TM | Nov 01 12:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Some anti-FOSS site | Nov 01 12:13 |
| schestowitz__ | no link | Nov 01 12:13 |
| schestowitz__ | they point their anonymous cowards at sites of pro-Linux folks | Nov 01 12:13 |
| schestowitz__ | They used to do that to techrights almost every day | Nov 01 12:13 |
| schestowitz__ | now they need to sign up with real email | Nov 01 12:13 |
| schestowitz__ | It was around that time that they started wasting Pogson's rime and prey on his credibility | Nov 01 12:14 |
| iophk | So they just changed targets, who's hiring them? | Nov 01 12:27 |
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| schestowitz__ | nobody I guess | Nov 01 13:02 |
| schestowitz__ | they're too stupid to be hired | Nov 01 13:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Microsoft paid people to comment in reddit | Nov 01 13:02 |
| schestowitz__ | And this I could believe before it became a scandal | Nov 01 13:02 |
| schestowitz__ | There are paid MS shills and then there's MS MVPs and dependants | Nov 01 13:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Those who would mock Linux because they would rather attack it than learn it | Nov 01 13:03 |
| schestowitz__ | Microsoft runs out of the latter | Nov 01 13:03 |
| schestowitz__ | but it's also running out of funds | Nov 01 13:03 |
| schestowitz__ | so it can 't afford subversive PR which blows in its face when exposed anyway | Nov 01 13:04 |
| schestowitz__ | let Microsofy rot in the next few years... their common carrier won't be able to carry the other crapware anymore | Nov 01 13:04 |
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| DaemonFC | back | Nov 01 14:04 |
| DaemonFC | no internet connection since Wednesday | Nov 01 14:04 |
| DaemonFC | a contractor dug up and snapped my cable line | Nov 01 14:05 |
| MinceR | geekings | Nov 01 14:19 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjKEcE1mcdQ | Nov 01 14:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Everything Wrong With Pitch Black In 7 Minutes Or Less - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fyxto ] | Nov 01 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Nov 01 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | 17 hours ago | Nov 01 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | He forgot the most obvious one. | Nov 01 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | If the bioraptors are the only thing left because they've eaten everything else on the planet, then how are the bioraptors continuing to survive? | Nov 01 14:51 |
| DaemonFC | We see some of them eating each other in the movie, but this would still lower the population faster than the surviving ones could reproduce. | Nov 01 14:51 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/396270099994144768 | Nov 01 15:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @_Goblin: @schestowitz Maybe Boris should be challenged too? He was out there pimping the UK to China..maybe a better place to start? | Nov 01 15:53 |
| schestowitz__ | Boris is a client now, i can't criticise him :-) | Nov 01 15:53 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz__: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24771421 | Nov 01 15:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Patent wars: Tech giants sue Samsung and Google [ http://ur1.ca/fyy71 ] | Nov 01 15:53 |
| XFaCE | yep | Nov 01 15:53 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396250431590260737 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396254333450616832 vhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396269805264961536 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396276431942352896 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396293698893643777 | Nov 01 15:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Mobile GNU and Linux: Not Just Android http://t.co/sHyebivlOl #android #linux #firefoxos #gnu #meego #tizen | Nov 01 15:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Mobile GNU and Linux: Not Just Android | Techrights | Nov 01 15:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Tap http://t.co/hu3WmewotQ | Nov 01 15:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Apple: Cheap Labour From China, Now Helping China Digitally ‘Conquer’ Taiwan http://t.co/Z1iKXCnIeB #china #taiwan #apple #revisionism | Nov 01 15:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Apple: Cheap Labour From China, Now Helping China Digitally ‘Conquer’ Taiwan | Techrights | Nov 01 15:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Free-as-in-Freedom Hardware: Building Together, Speeding up Innovation Through Cooperation http://t.co/cpIcLXWTZx #sharing #hardware | Nov 01 15:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Free-as-in-Freedom Hardware: Building Together, Speeding up Innovation Through Cooperation | Techrights | Nov 01 15:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Banning Military Use of GPL-Licensed and Other Freedom-Respecting Software http://t.co/pnUUNuZbR2 #gpl #drones #law | Nov 01 15:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Banning Military Use of GPL-Licensed and Other Freedom-Respecting Software | Techrights | Nov 01 15:55 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396302826596745216 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396304102050631680 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396304417621692416 | Nov 01 15:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Apple Feels the Pinch of Linux http://t.co/yBHLxXK7v3 #apple #linux #android | Nov 01 15:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Apple Feels the Pinch of Linux | Techrights | Nov 01 15:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Jamaica’s Ministry of Health and Interior Ministry of France Pave the Way for US to Embrace GNU-Inspired SW Freedom http://t.co/UhuNRe9cyn | Nov 01 15:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Jamaica’s Ministry of Health and Interior Ministry of France Pave the Way for US to Embrace GNU-Inspired Software Freedom | Techrights | Nov 01 15:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Microsoft Bans Android/Linux Devices (Barred From Sale) Using Nokia Patents, Google Attacked by Patents on Two Fronts http://t.co/enP1XYQABc | Nov 01 15:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Microsoft Bans Android/Linux Devices (Barred From Sale) Using Nokia Patents, Google Attacked by Software Patents on Two Fronts | Techrights | Nov 01 15:57 |
| XFaCE | "Well, thank you, Microsoft, for banning Linux. And HTC thought it had partnered with Microsoft for patent peace. A peace for our time…" | Nov 01 16:04 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz__: yep again | Nov 01 16:04 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz__: from this mary jo article on the rockstar situation, quote: | Nov 01 16:16 |
| XFaCE | "Rockstar is staffed primarily with a bunch of former Nortel staff members and management. T" | Nov 01 16:16 |
| XFaCE | well that's great | Nov 01 16:16 |
| XFaCE | what a perfect poetic end to the corruption and scandals of Nortel | Nov 01 16:16 |
| XFaCE | fucking disgusting | Nov 01 16:16 |
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| XFaCE | MinceR: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/nortel-patents-at-issue-in-suits-against-google-huawei-1.2325485 | Nov 01 17:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cbc.ca | Nortel patents at issue in suits against Google, Huawei - Business - CBC News [ http://ur1.ca/fyyuf ] | Nov 01 17:39 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: "Its owners, including Apple and BlackBerry, are rivals for the smartphone market with Google and Google’s Android-supported handset makers, but Rockstar says it operates independently." | Nov 01 17:39 |
| XFaCE | Lol oh wow | Nov 01 17:39 |
| XFaCE | I need to sneeze, *bullshit* | Nov 01 17:39 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 01 17:40 |
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| XFaCE | Rockstar, they should have gone with something more subtle | Nov 01 17:47 |
| XFaCE | like "The Co-operation for Better Mobile Development Institution" | Nov 01 17:47 |
| XFaCE | or "The Coalition for Fair Mobile Market Practices" | Nov 01 17:47 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.macrumors.com/2013/11/01/new-plugin-allows-developers-to-turn-ios-devices-into-bitcoin-mining-bots/ | Nov 01 19:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.macrumors.com | New Plugin Allows Developers to Turn iOS Devices Into Bitcoin Mining Bots - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/fyzbs ] | Nov 01 19:14 |
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| Sosumi | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/11/01/128258/microsoft-apple-and-others-launch-huge-patent-strike-at-android?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter | Nov 01 19:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | yro.slashdot.org | Microsoft, Apple and Others Launch Huge Patent Strike at Android - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/fyzfg ] | Nov 01 19:28 |
| Sosumi | but meanwhile, nexus 5 sold in an instant | Nov 01 19:29 |
| Sosumi | can't say the same for all those hyphePhones | Nov 01 19:29 |
| Sosumi | or winblows phones, lol, those don't even leave the shelves | Nov 01 19:29 |
| Sosumi | also. the only version of the hypephone that sold out was the "fake" gold colored | Nov 01 19:30 |
| Sosumi | at least here in PT | Nov 01 19:31 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396343722457436160 | Nov 01 20:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Tried #Claws and #KMail for the first time in almost a decade. They're far behind #Thunderbird in many ways, but KMail looks nice. | Nov 01 20:04 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/396344471169662976 | Nov 01 20:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @_Goblin: @schestowitz :) At least you won't have to worry about making an effort to meet him. The guy looks a complete mess.... | Nov 01 20:04 |
| schestowitz__ | I trust eccentric messy guys more than empty suits with a posh accent | Nov 01 20:05 |
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| Sosumi | TEPCO registered massive profits | Nov 01 23:20 |
| Sosumi | thx to the taxpayer bailout | Nov 01 23:21 |
| Sosumi | meanwhile, it's business as usual in fukushima, under the cover of tornados and heavy raining, release contaminated water | Nov 01 23:22 |
| Sosumi | that is being stored in the tanks | Nov 01 23:22 |
| Sosumi | but anyways, the thing is always leaking | Nov 01 23:22 |
| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-11-01/japan%E2%80%99s-most-hated-outfit-tepco-reports-fat-profit-taxpayer-bailout-money | Nov 01 23:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zerohedge.com | Japan’s Most Hated Outfit, TEPCO, Reports Fat Profit (From Taxpayer Bailout Money) | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/fz0n4 ] | Nov 01 23:25 |
| Sosumi | quoting a comment | Nov 01 23:25 |
| Sosumi | "TEPCO's must be doing God's work by bringing folks (sooner :) ) to Jesus" | Nov 01 23:26 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 01 23:26 |
| Sosumi | meanwhile in poortugal | Nov 01 23:27 |
| Sosumi | economy is recovering, it's a miracle, look at the stock exchange, fat numbers!! yeah!!! | Nov 01 23:27 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 01 23:28 |
| Sosumi | but that is being artificially prompted by the low interest rates and cheap money | Nov 01 23:28 |
| MinceR | 002518 < Sosumi> "TEPCO's must be doing God's work by bringing folks (sooner :) ) to Jesus" | Nov 01 23:28 |
| MinceR | the same people will eventually try to do "God's work" themselves via more effective means | Nov 01 23:28 |
| Sosumi | in reality the real economy is colapsing because it can't cope with the austerity measures aka the death by a thousand cuts | Nov 01 23:29 |
| Sosumi | and under the cover that everything is fine and after having confiscated secondary pensions | Nov 01 23:30 |
| Sosumi | now they want pensioners to make more discounts | Nov 01 23:30 |
| Sosumi | why not tell them to DROP DEAD! | Nov 01 23:30 |
| Sosumi | so we can steal all the money you discounted for your pension | Nov 01 23:30 |
| Sosumi | suckers! | Nov 01 23:31 |
| Sosumi | great idea | Nov 01 23:31 |
| Sosumi | ship grandpas to fukushima | Nov 01 23:31 |
| Sosumi | so they can become radioactive debris | Nov 01 23:33 |
| Sosumi | and no money wasted on that pesky funeral | Nov 01 23:33 |
| Sosumi | win win | Nov 01 23:33 |
| Sosumi | that is the truth | Nov 01 23:34 |
| Sosumi | but meanwhile normalicy rules the land, so who cares, there's still soccer matches and beer | Nov 01 23:35 |
| Sosumi | the unwashed masses are stupid and hard to educate, but the problem is that they tend to drag others into the same pit | Nov 01 23:39 |
| Sosumi | and we'll be sufering that in the future, specially when the retirement age nears | Nov 01 23:39 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 02 00:06 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/396367508841590784 | Nov 02 01:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @_Goblin: @schestowitz Thats a fair comment, but Boris isn't the messy eccentric guy he appears to be is he? I can link his background. | Nov 02 01:05 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/396367735413678080 | Nov 02 01:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @_Goblin: @schestowitz And I don't find him funny, when he acts the bumbling fool on tax payers money. If he wants to do standup theres TV for that. | Nov 02 01:05 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/396367975730540544 | Nov 02 01:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @_Goblin: @schestowitz I am surprised at you Roy that someone who battles unfairness would show any positive to a man like Boris. | Nov 02 01:05 |
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| iophk | http://linuxaria.com/howto/how-to-remove-zeitgeist-in-ubuntu-and-why | Nov 02 07:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | linuxaria.com | » Linuxaria – Everything about GNU/Linux and Open source How to remove Zeitgeist in Ubuntu and why [ http://ur1.ca/fz3ll ] | Nov 02 07:44 |
| iophk | http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/microsoft-can-skype-api | Nov 02 07:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.networkworld.com | Microsoft to can Skype API, third party products will not work [ http://ur1.ca/fz3lw ] | Nov 02 07:46 |
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| iophk | http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/01/github-to-white-house-open-source-your-healthcare-gov-code-and-let-us-help/ | Nov 02 09:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | venturebeat.com | Github to White House: Open source your HealthCare.gov code and let us help | VentureBeat [ http://ur1.ca/fz3y7 ] | Nov 02 09:12 |
| iophk | They should be using Github for drafting legislation, too. | Nov 02 09:13 |
| iophk | http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/open-source-needs-clean-its-language-229838 | Nov 02 09:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | Open source needs to clean up its language | Open Source Software - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fz3yd ] | Nov 02 09:14 |
| iophk | 'non-reciprocal' is a better way to describe it | Nov 02 09:14 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LobSFGunV-U | Nov 02 09:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Ronon Dex try P-90 and 9mm - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fz41s ] | Nov 02 09:40 |
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| DaemonFC | Well, this guy turned out to be a first class jerk. | Nov 02 09:55 |
| DaemonFC | Oh well. There's a million others out there. | Nov 02 09:55 |
| *DaemonFC goes to bed. | Nov 02 09:56 | |
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| DaemonFC | People get mad at me when I complain about all the Handy Crapped parking spots. | Nov 02 10:25 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuEQixrBKCc | Nov 02 10:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | George Carlin - Euphemisms - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fz47n ] | Nov 02 10:25 |
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| iophk | http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/31/net-us-finland-hacking-idUSBRE99U0ZL20131031 | Nov 02 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.reuters.com | Finland says government's data network hit by severe hacking | Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/fz49z ] | Nov 02 10:50 |
| iophk | Still on Windows, though... | Nov 02 10:50 |
| prurigro | iophk: takes quite a bit to change an entire infrastructure :) | Nov 02 11:22 |
| iophk | ,Mostly motivation is needed | Nov 02 11:25 |
| prurigro | organization and funding are pretty important too | Nov 02 11:25 |
| iophk | M$ sales people tend to get embedded in the bureaucracy and prevent even investivation in to working options. | Nov 02 11:26 |
| prurigro | you have a beurocracy of people with different opinions and you have to both inject the idea of changing platforms to the right people at the right time when budgets are available | Nov 02 11:26 |
| iophk | Not that they would be capable of participation. | Nov 02 11:26 |
| iophk | Transition costs mostly because the old system has to be maintained and there is a bit of work overcoming barriers as the new system is phased in. | Nov 02 11:27 |
| prurigro | once you've had someone make the decision in the right place and right time, you then need to come up with a plan for changing over thousands of servers and desktops, including what you're changing to, how support is going to work etc, and then you're gonna need to retrain everyone, replace all your services with equivalent ones that work on this new platform, somehow move all the data from the old system | Nov 02 11:28 |
| prurigro | to the new one, figure out how all the companies who have contracts with you are going to be handled, companies that may or may not be currently locked into windows | Nov 02 11:28 |
| iophk | M$ staff cannot be retrained. It's only the bottom tier of support that might be reusable. | Nov 02 11:29 |
| prurigro | I don't think that's necessarily true, but if you think that's the case then there's nothing that can be done :) | Nov 02 11:29 |
| prurigro | keep in mind that all your non IT staff are using windows too | Nov 02 11:30 |
| iophk | It's only an observation over the years. | Nov 02 11:30 |
| iophk | Moving non-IT staff is often not hard. | Nov 02 11:30 |
| iophk | Unless there are specialized applications locking them in that aren't cross-platform or won't run in WINE. | Nov 02 11:31 |
| prurigro | I'm thinking about my personal experience here, and I believe it likely will be | Nov 02 11:31 |
| prurigro | a lot of departments have special internal network services that require IE/activex | Nov 02 11:31 |
| prurigro | a lot of them also use exchange | Nov 02 11:31 |
| iophk | I've not seen that for ages. But it is (an intentional) problem where it does exist. | Nov 02 11:31 |
| prurigro | a lot of them have also already paid for shit loads of software that isn't going to run nicely in wine | Nov 02 11:32 |
| prurigro | have you worked in government? | Nov 02 11:32 |
| iophk | Not for a long while. | Nov 02 11:32 |
| iophk | Exit costs need to be included in TCO calculations | Nov 02 11:32 |
| prurigro | well, that's how it is here with my government, and I've heard it's not too different down in the US | Nov 02 11:32 |
| prurigro | from people providing services | Nov 02 11:32 |
| prurigro | via respective companies | Nov 02 11:32 |
| prurigro | basically, your savings may start many many years down the road, and budgets only account for a couple of years at a time since elected leaders can jump in and uproot your whole setup | Nov 02 11:33 |
| prurigro | the money's also being spent a second time, from the point of view of those allocating it to IT directions, so it's coming out of the pockets of programs that the elected government may have promised already and whatnot | Nov 02 11:34 |
| iophk | Procurement needs to include exit costs | Nov 02 11:34 |
| prurigro | in what respect? | Nov 02 11:34 |
| iophk | http://www.epractice.eu/en/document/5290101 | Nov 02 11:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.epractice.eu | e-Governance in public sector ICT procurement: what is shaping practice in Sweden | ePractice [ http://ur1.ca/3sgbp ] | Nov 02 11:34 |
| iophk | The cost of M$ systems is prohibitive even when moving to other versions of M$ | Nov 02 11:35 |
| iophk | the ActiveX mess you describe is an exampel | Nov 02 11:35 |
| iophk | some are locked into MSIE 6 still | Nov 02 11:35 |
| prurigro | thing is, they already paid for a suite, and I dunno about sweden, but in my government, when funding doesn't exist this year, computers won't be upgrading | Nov 02 11:35 |
| iophk | Sunk-cost fallacy | Nov 02 11:35 |
| iophk | throwing good money after bad | Nov 02 11:36 |
| iophk | in some situations it is cheaper to just pull the plug | Nov 02 11:36 |
| prurigro | this isn't a fallacy when you consider the big piture | Nov 02 11:36 |
| prurigro | picture* | Nov 02 11:36 |
| prurigro | which is that your costs 5 years from now are irrelevant | Nov 02 11:36 |
| prurigro | and it's cheaper in the short run not to overhaul your systems | Nov 02 11:36 |
| prurigro | cheaper, and safer, if you don't want to be the one who fucked everything up | Nov 02 11:36 |
| iophk | small incremental steps along a death spiral | Nov 02 11:37 |
| prurigro | it's the price paid for governments with such quick turnover | Nov 02 11:37 |
| iophk | in actuallity the one who fucked everything up was the initial M$ procurment | Nov 02 11:38 |
| prurigro | yes | Nov 02 11:38 |
| prurigro | that was everyone's chance to not go down that road | Nov 02 11:38 |
| iophk | yes, fast turnover and quartely thinking are a problem in any planning | Nov 02 11:38 |
| iophk | https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/report-contracting-authorities-must-take-exit-costs-account | Nov 02 11:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | joinup.ec.europa.eu | Report: 'Contracting authorities must take exit costs into account' | Joinup [ http://ur1.ca/86h8h ] | Nov 02 11:38 |
| prurigro | next chance comes when an overhaul that provides some financial benifit in some other direction appears | Nov 02 11:38 |
| prurigro | like consolidation of government e-services | Nov 02 11:39 |
| iophk | usually "consolidation" is a cover for "pork" | Nov 02 11:39 |
| prurigro | I'd say the odds of someone suggesting a move to something people don't already know and then having it carried out is pretty low though | Nov 02 11:39 |
| iophk | administratively it usually ends up only adding an *additional* layer of management or technology or both | Nov 02 11:39 |
| prurigro | well I mean, I think the stat at a conference I was at for the number of websites for my country's government was something along the lines of 60,000 | Nov 02 11:40 |
| prurigro | and at most a department seems to handle maybe 20 | Nov 02 11:40 |
| prurigro | if they're helping other, smaller ones | Nov 02 11:40 |
| prurigro | squish all that into a single department, as the plan is, and costs may be saved | Nov 02 11:40 |
| prurigro | if done right | Nov 02 11:40 |
| iophk | LOL | Nov 02 11:41 |
| prurigro | and yeah, it's looking like it's going to result in what you say | Nov 02 11:41 |
| prurigro | additional beurocracy and lag | Nov 02 11:41 |
| prurigro | but we'll see I guess | Nov 02 11:41 |
| iophk | hope for the best | Nov 02 11:41 |
| prurigro | yup haha | Nov 02 11:42 |
| iophk | though there are too many small players that gain from any inefficiencies introduced | Nov 02 11:42 |
| prurigro | I've been around for a different department moving to a CMS, and that's pretty rough | Nov 02 11:42 |
| prurigro | word, yeah, outsourcing ends up meaning inefficiencies and increased costs, if you're talking about 3rd parties who have an interest in pushing microsoft | Nov 02 11:43 |
| prurigro | or at least how they seem to be handled currently | Nov 02 11:44 |
| iophk | How would a CMS be decomissioned? Convert to static HTML and throw on a search page? | Nov 02 11:44 |
| prurigro | move to php or aspx | Nov 02 11:44 |
| prurigro | and have a team that accepts documents and converts them to html for content pages | Nov 02 11:44 |
| iophk | wget :P | Nov 02 11:44 |
| prurigro | hrm? | Nov 02 11:45 |
| prurigro | what do you mean? | Nov 02 11:45 |
| iophk | wget --page-requisites --mirror http://whatever.gov/ | Nov 02 11:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Couldn't resolve host 'whatever.gov' ( status 0 @ http://whatever.gov/ ) | Nov 02 11:45 |
| iophk | or something like that | Nov 02 11:45 |
| prurigro | to accomplish? | Nov 02 11:46 |
| iophk | convert to static HTML | Nov 02 11:46 |
| iophk | the other two options are to figure out how to map over to the new CMS, most of which may have to be done manually page by page | Nov 02 11:47 |
| iophk | or to indefinitely maintain the old code | Nov 02 11:47 |
| prurigro | ahh, word haha, I see what you mean- I thought you meant how would the system change-- if you have access to server side stuff usually the content pages are file based, so you grab those and do a conversion job | Nov 02 11:47 |
| prurigro | you dont want to be stripping your header and footer from every page :) | Nov 02 11:47 |
| iophk | wget will get the final, rendered result | Nov 02 11:47 |
| prurigro | I mean, find + sed -i work nicely | Nov 02 11:47 |
| prurigro | yeah, rendered with footer and header | Nov 02 11:48 |
| iophk | PHP is overused | Nov 02 11:48 |
| prurigro | it's been aspx in most of my experience | Nov 02 11:48 |
| iophk | SSI is lower maintenance and secure, if NOEXEC | Nov 02 11:48 |
| prurigro | includes via what platform? | Nov 02 11:48 |
| prurigro | the web server? | Nov 02 11:48 |
| iophk | Apache, Apache2, nginx but not lighttpd | Nov 02 11:49 |
| prurigro | that translates to higher coupling | Nov 02 11:49 |
| prurigro | and it's more difficult for a platform to exist without developers having access | Nov 02 11:49 |
| prurigro | and still allow developers to do fancy things like include | Nov 02 11:49 |
| iophk | SSI is in the HTML | Nov 02 11:49 |
| prurigro | ahh word, how about if then statements? can it do that? | Nov 02 11:49 |
| iophk | One line per item, like menu, footer, header | Nov 02 11:49 |
| iophk | Yes | Nov 02 11:50 |
| iophk | if-then is possible IIRC | Nov 02 11:50 |
| prurigro | based on url? | Nov 02 11:50 |
| prurigro | can it implant your metadata? like grab from variables and add it to the header? | Nov 02 11:50 |
| iophk | It's been too many years | Nov 02 11:51 |
| iophk | httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/ssi.html#coanditional | Nov 02 11:51 |
| prurigro | I feel like you'd be starting to have another php or aspx on your hands if ssi could do all the stuff I'm thinking of that gets used by the site I've most recently worked on | Nov 02 11:52 |
| iophk | No scripting. Just "include" text or html and maybe some conditional statements based on variables | Nov 02 11:52 |
| iophk | Many people (most?) use PHP just to get standardized headers, footers and nav menus | Nov 02 11:53 |
| iophk | Overkill | Nov 02 11:53 |
| iophk | though they get paid to hack on it... | Nov 02 11:53 |
| iophk | and management has heard the name PHP | Nov 02 11:54 |
| prurigro | ahh word, I usually use it initially for that, knowing I'll find a better reason as I continue | Nov 02 11:54 |
| prurigro | especially if I intended to use ajax | Nov 02 11:54 |
| iophk | That's how many start. | Nov 02 11:54 |
| iophk | But a lot of sites then go no further | Nov 02 11:54 |
| iophk | and just stay with the menus, etc | Nov 02 11:55 |
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| iophk | With SSI, it is important that Options are IncludesNOEXEC, otherwise there is not much gain. | Nov 02 11:57 |
| iophk | The result is easy to cache. | Nov 02 11:57 |
| prurigro | by noexec, what is that preventing? I don't assume it'd execute server side scripts or something at that point? | Nov 02 11:59 |
| iophk | It prevents scripts. | Nov 02 11:59 |
| iophk | a) SSI is not efficient for scripts, b) in the event someone gets unauthorized write access to the pages, they can't write scripts either | Nov 02 12:00 |
| prurigro | so it could run a .sh with a+x on it, in theory? | Nov 02 12:06 |
| iophk | If exec is turned on, it could run even system utilities | Nov 02 12:06 |
| iophk | if they are written so inside the web page | Nov 02 12:07 |
| prurigro | oh man, that sounds dangerus | Nov 02 12:07 |
| prurigro | that's one reason I like php on that note, vs cgi-bin type things | Nov 02 12:07 |
| prurigro | it's got security restrictions that limit potential damage | Nov 02 12:07 |
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| iophk | http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/why-is-the-linux-foundation-growing.html | Nov 02 12:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.eweek.com | Why Is the Linux Foundation Growing? [ http://ur1.ca/fz4o5 ] | Nov 02 12:49 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Nov 02 13:29 |
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| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/11/02/business-getting-floss/ | Nov 02 13:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | Business Getting FLOSS | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/fz4u1 ] | Nov 02 13:36 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396638828217507840 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396627661784907776 | Nov 02 14:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Setting up a Raspberry Pi as a home server http://t.co/59S0QhOWbc #linux in every house vision? | Nov 02 14:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> kmacphail.blogspot.co.uk | Linux, open source & anything else: Setting up a Raspberry Pi as a home server | Nov 02 14:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: BBC World Service interview about NSA and spy oversight http://t.co/pTIvXzFDkK #nsa #privacy | Nov 02 14:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> anniemachon.ch | BBC World Service interview about NSA and spy oversight - Using Our Intelligence | Nov 02 14:05 |
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| iophk | old - http://www.sci-tech-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=10000005C77O | Nov 02 14:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.sci-tech-today.com | Google Offers Quickoffice for Free | Sci-Tech Today [ http://ur1.ca/fz51t ] | Nov 02 14:50 |
| iophk | no word in the article about ODF support. It's only a half measure if QO depends on M$ proprietary data formats. | Nov 02 14:51 |
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| iophk | prurigro: 2.2 or 2.4 ? | Nov 02 15:16 |
| prurigro | iophk: what are these options for? | Nov 02 15:17 |
| iophk | For Apache 2.2 or Apache 2.4? | Nov 02 15:18 |
| iophk | Some syntax in 'expr' changed. | Nov 02 15:18 |
| iophk | you asked about variables | Nov 02 15:18 |
| iophk | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_include.html#includevars | Nov 02 15:18 |
| iophk | httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/expr.html#vars | Nov 02 15:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | httpd.apache.org | mod_include - Apache HTTP Server [ http://ur1.ca/fz54v ] | Nov 02 15:19 |
| iophk | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/expr.html#vars | Nov 02 15:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | httpd.apache.org | Expressions in Apache HTTP Server - Apache HTTP Server [ http://ur1.ca/fz54x ] | Nov 02 15:19 |
| prurigro | iophk: ahh, that'd be 2.2 it seems, which is strange because arch is usually the latest of everything | Nov 02 15:19 |
| iophk | A lot of distros still have 2.2 | Nov 02 15:19 |
| prurigro | there must be some compatibility issues | Nov 02 15:20 |
| prurigro | like qt4 and qt5 | Nov 02 15:20 |
| iophk | Apache2 doesn't use Qt | Nov 02 15:20 |
| prurigro | just a comparison | Nov 02 15:20 |
| iophk | ok | Nov 02 15:21 |
| prurigro | arch has both versions of qt, same with python | Nov 02 15:21 |
| prurigro | as most distros likely do | Nov 02 15:21 |
| Sosumi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockstar_Consortium | Nov 02 15:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Rockstar Consortium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/fz55j ] | Nov 02 15:23 |
| Sosumi | in which both M$ and crApple are members | Nov 02 15:24 |
| Sosumi | duopoly confirmed | Nov 02 15:24 |
| Sosumi | funy is that they're suing samsung and asus, both pc manufacturers | Nov 02 15:25 |
| prurigro | more like oligarchy imo | Nov 02 15:25 |
| Sosumi | yet they've not dumped winblows out of their products, opting for default gnu/linux or just a clean HDD | Nov 02 15:26 |
| Sosumi | that'd put a couple of nails, at least, on M$ coffin | Nov 02 15:26 |
| prurigro | corporations do the best decision for a given moment, regardless of their relationship with a given company, I think that's been proven enough times now to consider it the way thinsg are | Nov 02 15:27 |
| Sosumi | yep, that is true, but the best decision is to show M$ that they're nothing more than just another sw house | Nov 02 15:30 |
| iophk | All M$ has been able to do has been built on being able to leverage their desktop monopoly. | Nov 02 15:32 |
| iophk | With Android, that monopoly might go away or simply just not matter any more. | Nov 02 15:32 |
| iophk | If that happens, M$ is out of business options. | Nov 02 15:32 |
| iophk | Chromebooks are also a threat to that monopoly. People might discover that there are other options. | Nov 02 15:33 |
| iophk | "Everyone" uses Windows but no one actually likes it. | Nov 02 15:33 |
| iophk | So as soon as other options are perceived as being available, people will jump ship. | Nov 02 15:34 |
| prurigro | I'm sure if there's a decision to make where one direction helps microsoft and the other hurts them, and they're both equal aside from that, they aren't going to choose the one that helps microsoft | Nov 02 15:34 |
| iophk | I'd say that that Rockstar deal falls into that category. | Nov 02 15:34 |
| prurigro | I'm not a fan of google's alternatives though, imo they're just as bad, only in completely different ways | Nov 02 15:34 |
| Sosumi | android and chromebooks are not viable platforms for desktops and laptops, plus their sole porpuse is to put your data into google's hands for their datamining systems and thus pronpting their advertising business | Nov 02 15:34 |
| prurigro | exactly | Nov 02 15:35 |
| Sosumi | of which M$ also wants a slice | Nov 02 15:35 |
| Sosumi | just look at winblows 8.1 universal search | Nov 02 15:35 |
| Sosumi | sending search info to M$, pretty much like moronical (canonical) does | Nov 02 15:35 |
| prurigro | I've hacked up android hard so my personal phone isn't giving google data, but eventually I hope to move to a platform that has an agreeable philosophy from the getgo, once one is available that does what I need (eventually firefox os perhaps?) | Nov 02 15:36 |
| iophk | How clean is Cyanogenmod about not leaking data to Google? | Nov 02 15:36 |
| prurigro | lol canonical-- shuttleworth won the big brother award, but I think it should have had a lot of others share it with him | Nov 02 15:36 |
| prurigro | iophk: if you patch with openpdroid and use afwall for good measure, you're pretty safe | Nov 02 15:36 |
| prurigro | there's default on/off privacy measures that remove access to some of the big things, but I don't consider that a complete solution, since you're then giving access to everything if an app needs access to anything | Nov 02 15:37 |
| prurigro | not to mention that you can't fake or randomly generate data, and it's not covering stuff like your android id and stuff, which can be used to tie your device to a profile | Nov 02 15:38 |
| Sosumi | h33t.eu seems to have died | Nov 02 16:01 |
| Sosumi | even through http://204.16.200.51/, it's last update was on october the 16th | Nov 02 16:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | 204.16.200.51 | NO TITLE | Nov 02 16:01 |
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| iophk | http://neo900.org/ | Nov 02 16:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | neo900.org | Neo900 | Nov 02 16:54 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 02 16:54 |
| MinceR | it's a pity there's no separate numeric row | Nov 02 16:55 |
| iophk | And not much punctuation either. | Nov 02 16:57 |
| MinceR | also, the cpu is weak; the screen is low-resolution and resistive | Nov 02 16:57 |
| MinceR | a step forward from GTA04, but still kind of stuck in the past | Nov 02 16:57 |
| iophk | http://neo900.org/specs | Nov 02 16:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | neo900.org | Neo900 | Nov 02 16:58 |
| iophk | yeah but the big selling point is that it runs Debian | Nov 02 16:59 |
| MinceR | that's nice | Nov 02 16:59 |
| iophk | however not having a full keyboard or sufficiently close to a full keyboard is a difficulty | Nov 02 17:09 |
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| DaemonFC | From my Facebook wall: | Nov 02 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | It's a good thing I have access to the Indiana court records. | Nov 02 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | Saves a lot of time when you can weed out the wastrels right away. | Nov 02 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | This one even has an open criminal case. Careful who you meet on Craiglist! | Nov 02 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | Count , Number 1 : () | Nov 02 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | Charge: 35-46-3-7(a) MA: Cruelty to an Animal Plea: | Nov 02 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | Charge Type: Misdemeanor Class A Disposition: | Nov 02 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | Charge Date: 10/04/2013 Disposition Date: | Nov 02 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | My email reply (through Craiglist's anonymous remailer): | Nov 02 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | Cruelty to an animal? Really? They should have you shot. | Nov 02 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | Don't e-mail me again. | Nov 02 19:59 |
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| DaemonFC | Hmm, time to delete one of my chaff email accounts. | Nov 02 20:06 |
| iophk | What formats do Google's Quickoffice and Apple's iWork use? Can they even do ODF at all? | Nov 02 20:08 |
| Sosumi | who really cares? | Nov 02 20:11 |
| Sosumi | they work with/in the cloud | Nov 02 20:11 |
| MinceR | afaik Quickoffice can only load/save through Google Drive | Nov 02 20:11 |
| MinceR | so it has the same options | Nov 02 20:11 |
| Sosumi | yep | Nov 02 20:11 |
| iophk | I thought it was standalone | Nov 02 20:11 |
| MinceR | it was, before google bought it. | Nov 02 20:12 |
| Sosumi | they were in the past | Nov 02 20:12 |
| iophk | I'm not keen on letting companies hold data hostage like that. | Nov 02 20:12 |
| MinceR | neither am i | Nov 02 20:12 |
| iophk | Being able to import/export ODF would mitigate that a little. Not enough for me to use them but some. | Nov 02 20:13 |
| iophk | It would help break M$ hold on the office file formats. | Nov 02 20:13 |
| MinceR | not if they promote OOXML first and foremost | Nov 02 20:14 |
| MinceR | (and afaik it's still first choice in Google Drive.) | Nov 02 20:14 |
| iophk | it would be hurting their own interests to do so. | Nov 02 20:15 |
| iophk | but I wouldn't put it past some moles | Nov 02 20:15 |
| iophk | http://www.infoworld.com/t/technology-business/6-dirty-secrets-of-the-it-industry-229416?page=0,1 | Nov 02 20:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | 6 dirty secrets of the IT industry | Technology business - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fz61a ] | Nov 02 20:17 |
| iophk | #3 | Nov 02 20:17 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz__: from my business textbook | Nov 02 20:18 |
| XFaCE | "Availability of technology-related resources such as copyrights, patents, trademarks, and trade secrets" | Nov 02 20:19 |
| XFaCE | for once, a) they aren't called "intellectual property" and b) they are all listed individually | Nov 02 20:19 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: That federal government healthcare exchange website that doesn't work... | Nov 02 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | They pass out OOXML. | Nov 02 20:25 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 02 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | It even manages to crash Calligra Office | Nov 02 20:25 |
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| schestowitz__ | Seen that before | Nov 02 20:34 |
| schestowitz__ | like putting up OOXML spreadsheets and calling that "OPEN DATA" or transparency | Nov 02 20:35 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3232921 | Nov 02 20:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Back Door (Automatic Update) in WordPress and What It Means to Techrights | Nov 02 20:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Back Door (Automatic Update) in WordPress and What It Means to Techrights | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fyv3a ] | Nov 02 20:41 |
| schestowitz__ | I run my own DNS but the system of compromise seems to be global and designed specifically for this purpose. I am unsure anyone can escape it without an in person key exchange."77" | Nov 02 20:41 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3237759 | Nov 02 20:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Tried #Claws and #KMail for the first time in almost a decade. They're far behind #Thunderbird in many ways, but KMail looks nice. | Nov 02 20:42 |
| schestowitz__ | but claws is less ram-cpu eater, so is a good option in 'old' (stable) machines"77" | Nov 02 20:42 |
| schestowitz__ | 'I want to love Kmail, being a KDE fanboi and all, but lack of conversation view is a killer for me. I'm hoping that one of the couple of new FOSS webmail solutions in development will finally give me a FOSS webmail with conversations solution." | Nov 02 20:42 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Nov 02 20:44 |
| schestowitz__ | Got a write up? Kmail is beautiful but it is making a painful transition to databases. The underlying files are still stored in standard formats but everything is moving to Akondi and Nepomuk. My migration to Kmail2 was painful but Kmail itself seems to behave itself now. Nepomuk is a real performance hog for someone like me who has a huge collection of files, but without it turned on I can't search my email! Here are a couple of | Nov 02 20:44 |
| schestowitz__ | things I've written about kmail this year, | Nov 02 20:44 |
| schestowitz__ | http://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/2013/2013_04_10-kmail_has_tabs/ http://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/2013/2013_09_28-kmail2_migration/ | Nov 02 20:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | 173.20.223.180 | Index of pictures [ http://ur1.ca/fz644 ] | Nov 02 20:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | 173.20.223.180 | Kmail2 and KDE 4.10 Disaster [ http://ur1.ca/fz645 ] | Nov 02 20:44 |
| schestowitz__ | I'm still evaluating Kmail2 but would advise people with lots of mail to try it cautiously. | Nov 02 20:44 |
| schestowitz__ | The sharing between Kmail other free software mail clients like Evolution and Balsa is poor. I've been using maildir and those don't carry over well, especially subdirectories. Did you have any success opening Thunderbird archives with Kmail? | Nov 02 20:45 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Nov 02 20:45 |
| schestowitz__ | "#Icedove on Debian?" | Nov 02 20:45 |
| schestowitz__ | "That is, #icedove if you don't care to have proper timestamps on your incoming/outgoing messages..." | Nov 02 20:45 |
| XFaCE | IIRC, DaemonFC mentioned poor IMAP performance in Kmail | Nov 02 20:45 |
| schestowitz__ | "Real men / women don't need timestamps. We memorize the electromagnetic pattern of every incoming email into our computers and match them up on sight with our emails. Icedove, forever." | Nov 02 20:45 |
| XFaCE | is that still a problem? | Nov 02 20:45 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe | Nov 02 20:45 |
| schestowitz__ | I can't stand akonadi in kmail and other parts of the k organisation tools. That's why I gave up on it fast. | Nov 02 20:46 |
| XFaCE | conversation view is a novelty which I don't care much about | Nov 02 20:46 |
| XFaCE | I just read the reply history within the email itself | Nov 02 20:47 |
| schestowitz__ | I like thunderbird | Nov 02 20:47 |
| schestowitz__ | even tthough some hardware issues botched some parts of it for me | Nov 02 20:47 |
| MinceR | i prefer iceape/seamonkey | Nov 02 20:50 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3233148 | Nov 02 20:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Some teens may indeed be anti-Facebook http://www.techhive.com/article/2059760/some-teens-may-indeed-be-antifacebook.html #facebook | Nov 02 20:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.techhive.com | Some teens may indeed be anti-Facebook | TechHive [ http://ur1.ca/fyqqi ] | Nov 02 20:52 |
| schestowitz__ | Don't mind him @Robin. He's got parent issues of his own."777" | Nov 02 20:52 |
| schestowitz__ | MinceR: is seamonkey still being patched? | Nov 02 20:53 |
| MinceR | dunno | Nov 02 20:53 |
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| DaemonFC | Seamonkey is actively developed. | Nov 02 21:08 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396746659314810880 | Nov 02 21:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Pussy Riot Member Nadezhda Tolokonnikova Goes Missing During Prison Colony Transfer http://t.co/FO5WXNbpz7 #putinism #russia | Nov 02 21:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.thedailybeast.com | Pussy Riot Member Nadezhda Tolokonnikova Goes Missing During Prison Colony Transfer - The Daily Beast | Nov 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC: hecko-wise? | Nov 02 21:15 |
| schestowitz__ | gecko | Nov 02 21:15 |
| DaemonFC | it shares the Gecko engine of the current Firefox release | Nov 02 21:16 |
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| DaemonFC | If you ever want to be truly depressed..... | Nov 02 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | Post a personal ad on Craigslist and watch what fills your inbox. | Nov 02 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, knowing me like I do.... | Nov 02 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | I'll step in it again. | Nov 02 21:33 |
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| Snowleaksange | dang @ loose pussy | Nov 02 21:48 |
| Snowleaksange | nice country, snowden | Nov 02 21:48 |
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| DaemonFC | that cat really fucking stinks | Nov 02 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what's going on. | Nov 02 22:01 |
| MinceR | Smelly Cat, Smelly Cat, | Nov 02 22:08 |
| MinceR | what are they feeding you? | Nov 02 22:08 |
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| DaemonFC | Oh perfect. | Nov 02 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | filling out a profile on a dating site. | Nov 02 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | Offspring: Doesn't have kids -and- Doesn't want any. | Nov 02 23:03 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 02 23:03 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 02 23:13 |
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| __martin__ | hm, communist party got 15% of votes [sidenote: social-democracy 20.45%] as opposed to pirate party's 2,66% [sidenote: greens 3.19%] in recent czech republic's parliamentary vote (important to note that turnout was mere 59.48% of all allowed) | Oct 27 03:42 |
| *__martin__ hopes that HP's WebOS patents won't end up in wrong place | Oct 27 03:44 | |
| iophk | http://falkvinge.net/2013/10/25/we-know-with-100-certainty-that-mass-surveillance-havent-foiled-a-single-terror-plot/ | Oct 27 03:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | falkvinge.net | We can tell the wiretapping industry never foiled a single terror plot - Falkvinge on Infopolicy [ http://ur1.ca/fy2hq ] | Oct 27 03:58 |
| iophk | http://www.neurope.eu/article/those-responsible-wiretapping-crimes-against-us-all-must-be-brought-justice | Oct 27 04:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.neurope.eu | Those responsible for wiretapping crimes against us all must be brought to justice | neurope.eu [ http://ur1.ca/fy2id ] | Oct 27 04:02 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3213920 | Oct 27 04:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Contrary to what you’ve heard, Android is almost impenetrable to malware http://qz.com/131436/contrary-to-what-youve-heard-android-is-almost-impenetrable-to-malware/ so Microsoft/Windows partners lie?! | Oct 27 04:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> qz.com | Contrary to what you’ve heard, Android is almost impenetrable to malware – Quartz [ http://ur1.ca/fy2nv ] | Oct 27 04:55 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "They're not susceptible to malware… because someone at Google says so! Well, that settles it. And how does he know? Because Google spies on its users! And because Android is open, but Google doesn't accept patches from anyone else. Except the NSA. And Google only opens up some of the code (after a while), and the rest they leave closed. But those parts are secure too. Honest. This is supposed to make Android users feel better? | Oct 27 04:55 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "@Brad - these are - as you may probobly imagine - completely different issues: security of the OS and "bigbrotherness" of its creator. I wouldn't dare to mix those things together. Generally speaking: yes, Google is probobly not the most privcy-respecting commpany out there. It doesn't mean that the actual OS [Android] isn't secure as an OS [multi-layered security mechanisms, etc]." | Oct 27 04:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3212555 | Oct 27 04:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a Diaspora post? | Oct 27 04:58 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Oct 27 04:59 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | It's not that bad yet, but there's an alarming tendency in that direction. I notice it perhaps because of my near ancestral age. | Oct 27 04:59 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | No mistake, the interworld is the most significant development I have ever seen, but there may be some dangers to the individual during these our first baby steps. | Oct 27 04:59 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | The hive mind is just one of them that terrifies me. Not least because there is a spill-out of this motion into legislation, which consistently lags behind current conditions and thinking. | Oct 27 04:59 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | It always has, but the rate of change now is orders of magnitude greater than B.I.E. , to coin an acronym.... | Oct 27 04:59 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Oct 27 04:59 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394414845657120768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394415339490263040 | Oct 27 06:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Edward Snowden’s Statement Read at ‘Stop Watching Us’ Rally in DC http://t.co/TDxRiES3En #privacy #power | Oct 27 06:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> dissenter.firedoglake.com | Edward Snowden’s Statement Read at ‘Stop Watching Us’ Rally in DC | The Dissenter | Oct 27 06:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: By the standards of the #fbi the #us population is being radicalised. Their big fear is, this so-called "radicalisation" becomes the norm. | Oct 27 06:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394416187582717952 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394416658955378689 | Oct 27 06:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Another meme for #Merkel https://t.co/u7xQ5BQLO6 #privacy #germany #eu #nsa | Oct 27 06:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Partnership between Facebook and police could make planning protests impossible http://t.co/hHpwKlUH7A Facebook: oppression is "social" | Oct 27 06:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> rt.com | NO TITLE | Oct 27 06:57 |
| iophk | http://linuxgizmos.com/first-tizen-tablet-ships/ | Oct 27 07:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | linuxgizmos.com | First Tizen tablet ships to developers · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/fy360 ] | Oct 27 07:18 |
| iophk | All the more reason to get people off of Facebook, if they got on somehow. | Oct 27 07:20 |
| iophk | It would be a really bad thing to let it replace e-mail. | Oct 27 07:20 |
| iophk | But the powers that be are interested in it because it is a centralized choke point. | Oct 27 07:20 |
| iophk | E-mail is comparatively decentralized. | Oct 27 07:20 |
| iophk | even if it is much more centralized compared to Usenet. | Oct 27 07:21 |
| iophk | Usenet is P2P which is probably why most ISPs keep it secret or don't have it. | Oct 27 07:21 |
| iophk | Not long ago it was a selling point. | Oct 27 07:21 |
| iophk | Usenet access was sold as getting "on" the Internet. | Oct 27 07:31 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/PBmvo-GRTFAVVwmwQ-OdzcXNqIqvQyDSKtBVRK-4dhg=w321-h138-no | Oct 27 07:35 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Arnold pays tribute to his dad by doing the nazi salute | Oct 27 07:35 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | iophk: yeah | Oct 27 07:35 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | but | Oct 27 07:35 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Google also took over much of it with Deja News | Oct 27 07:36 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | to many, USENET is now a "Goglole service", they call it just "Groups" | Oct 27 07:36 |
| iophk | The Google UI sucks though, at least last time I checked it | Oct 27 07:37 |
| iophk | Also having everything via Google centralizes some of what was P2P | Oct 27 07:42 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394425583771586560 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394426642065797120 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394427896426921984 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394428089125842946 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394428240934481921 | Oct 27 07:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: As Europe erupts over US spying, NSA chief says government must stop media http://t.co/J3PTksVp2T Alexander still a bully. #nsa | Oct 27 07:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | As Europe erupts over US spying, NSA chief says government must stop media | Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free | theguardian.com | Oct 27 07:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Wishing to know https://t.co/zSLyKHSb4T | Oct 27 07:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: We Know With 100% Certainty That Mass #Surveillance (industry for espionage) Hasn’t Foiled A Single Terror Plot http://t.co/6ogNzrOfkO | Oct 27 07:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> falkvinge.net | We can tell the wiretapping industry never foiled a single terror plot - Falkvinge on Infopolicy | Oct 27 07:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Those responsible for wiretapping crimes against us all must be brought to justice http://t.co/llV9Wlzu2p jail them, won't happen though | Oct 27 07:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.neurope.eu | Those responsible for wiretapping crimes against us all must be brought to justice | neurope.eu | Oct 27 07:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: First Tizen tablet ships to developers http://t.co/FlXtZ6RFZV #linux #tizen | Oct 27 07:43 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Oct 27 09:03 |
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| oiaohm | Hi MinceR | Oct 27 09:13 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/25/filesharing-site-anti-piracy-honeypot-uploadertalk-user-data | Oct 27 09:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Filesharing site revealed to be anti-piracy ‘honeypot’ | Technology | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fy3jz ] | Oct 27 09:30 |
| oiaohm | This is what I suspected some had to be. | Oct 27 09:30 |
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| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/26/nsa-rally-stop-watching-washington-snowden | Oct 27 10:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Thousands gather in Washington for anti-NSA 'Stop Watching Us' rally | World news | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fy3ux ] | Oct 27 10:46 |
| Sosumi | it seems like the folks at the my digital life forums have mangaged to break kms 6 | Oct 27 11:22 |
| Sosumi | of winblows 8.1 | Oct 27 11:22 |
| Sosumi | *sight* why bother... | Oct 27 11:22 |
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| MinceR | 'kms 6'? | Oct 27 11:44 |
| Sosumi | key management server | Oct 27 11:52 |
| Sosumi | used to activate volume releases | Oct 27 11:52 |
| iophk | http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/23/technology/with-new-apple-ipads-tablets-move-closer-to-passing-pcs-in-sales.html | Oct 27 12:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/fy44o ] | Oct 27 12:00 |
| iophk | Apple said iWork ... would be free to anyone who bought a new Macintosh computer or mobile device from Apple. | Oct 27 12:00 |
| iophk | " " | Oct 27 12:00 |
| iophk | Too bad that probably won't address ODF | Oct 27 12:08 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 27 12:15 |
| iophk | Though if they were serious about gaining market share away from M$, they sure shouldn't let their users stay on M$ formats. | Oct 27 12:16 |
| iophk | Know anyone with iWorks that can answer that, MinceR? | Oct 27 12:16 |
| MinceR | i don't know anyone who uses hypeWorks | Oct 27 12:16 |
| iophk | I heard Keynote had a good UI and functions, but there's no version that runs on Linux nor is it FOSS | Oct 27 12:18 |
| MinceR | keynote is crap | Oct 27 12:19 |
| iophk | I haven't seen it. | Oct 27 12:19 |
| MinceR | the one time i saw it in use, it didn't magnify slides to fill the screen in a slideshow | Oct 27 12:19 |
| iophk | Only heard about it. | Oct 27 12:19 |
| MinceR | so it was unusable | Oct 27 12:19 |
| iophk | Hmmm. | Oct 27 12:19 |
| MinceR | they poor guy ended up showing the slides in edit mode | Oct 27 12:19 |
| iophk | Powerpoint was broken the last time I saw it. | Oct 27 12:20 |
| MinceR | but still struggled with maximizing the window, as OSuX can't maximize windows properly | Oct 27 12:20 |
| iophk | However, LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org don't have such great presentation graphics yet | Oct 27 12:20 |
| MinceR | i prefer LaTeX+Beamer. | Oct 27 12:20 |
| MinceR | and keyjnote if i want 3d transitions | Oct 27 12:20 |
| iophk | LaTeX would be good to know | Oct 27 12:20 |
| MinceR | LaTeX+Beamer can generate and maintain index slides automatically, for example. | Oct 27 12:21 |
| MinceR | it also takes care of visual styles and color schemes so you don't have to. | Oct 27 12:21 |
| iophk | LO and OOo are hard to work with. I can't remember details, just the slowness of the process. | Oct 27 12:21 |
| iophk | -- for presentation graphics. | Oct 27 12:22 |
| iophk | Spreadsheets and wordprocessing are OK | Oct 27 12:22 |
| MinceR | afaik they're equivalent to powerpoint, except they don't have the ribbon | Oct 27 12:22 |
| iophk | the "ribbon" will go on the shelf next to "bob" | Oct 27 12:22 |
| MinceR | maybe, if "metro" replaces it | Oct 27 12:23 |
| iophk | M$ still has the muscle to push it for a while longer, but people are having less of that and the "ribbon" | Oct 27 12:23 |
| iophk | It's like they're having a contest to see how much they can lower productivity. | Oct 27 12:23 |
| MinceR | indee | Oct 27 12:23 |
| MinceR | d | Oct 27 12:23 |
| iophk | M$ software puts businesses into crisis mode. | Oct 27 12:23 |
| iophk | It's got to be a monumental drag on national economies. | Oct 27 12:24 |
| iophk | Then there is the M$ malware... | Oct 27 12:24 |
| iophk | I'm worried they got to Bruce Schneier. He admits to running Windows and in some of his presentations has touched on M$ talking points. Not many, just some. | Oct 27 12:25 |
| MinceR | :/ | Oct 27 12:25 |
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| Sosumi | I've always thought iWork was junk even compared to the M$ version of office for mac | Oct 27 12:35 |
| Sosumi | which is pretty much lacking compared to the winblows versions | Oct 27 12:36 |
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| iophk | M$ Office for Mac was even worse than the Windows version. | Oct 27 12:36 |
| Sosumi | was? | Oct 27 12:36 |
| Sosumi | is | Oct 27 12:36 |
| iophk | Do they still make it? | Oct 27 12:36 |
| Sosumi | yep | Oct 27 12:37 |
| Sosumi | they still do | Oct 27 12:37 |
| iophk | LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org passed it, at least on the Mac. | Oct 27 12:37 |
| Sosumi | although, the thing is pretty much dead | Oct 27 12:37 |
| Sosumi | yeah | Oct 27 12:37 |
| iophk | M$ Office on Mac was only good if you needed to burn the 8 hours in your work day without regard to getting anything done. | Oct 27 12:38 |
| iophk | Even between Windows versions there were incompatibilities which made things print out or display incorrectly or weirdly. | Oct 27 12:38 |
| Sosumi | yep | Oct 27 12:38 |
| iophk | You needed PDF really, so that leads to LO and OOo. | Oct 27 12:39 |
| iophk | Though if you can't say it in plain text, it's probably not worth saying anyway. | Oct 27 12:39 |
| MinceR | http://asset-9.soup.io/asset/5921/9966_9b35.jpeg | Oct 27 13:13 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | MinceR: could make one like http://asset-9.soup.io/asset/5921/9966_9b35.jpeg for Christianity too | Oct 27 13:20 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 27 13:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | the problem is ignorance, and cultures that promote or depend on ignorance | Oct 27 13:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | like religions, schools, etc. | Oct 27 13:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | although schools are usually selective with facts | Oct 27 13:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | they don't tend to distort them when there is a chain of accountability, except when they teach or are managed by religion | Oct 27 13:21 |
| Sosumi | nice beardies | Oct 27 13:21 |
| Sosumi | I wander if they hide a fist in there just like chuck norris | Oct 27 13:22 |
| Sosumi | but look, what those beduins are saying is exactly the same crap early priesthoods used to spin around | Oct 27 13:24 |
| Sosumi | not just limited to early catholic church, which borrows heavily from the early solar cults too | Oct 27 13:26 |
| MinceR | chuck norris has no fist there | Oct 27 13:26 |
| Sosumi | mythraism, etc | Oct 27 13:27 |
| MinceR | "There is no chin behind Chuck Norris’ beard. There is only the quivering fear of gay marriage. " | Oct 27 13:27 |
| Sosumi | lol | Oct 27 13:27 |
| iophk | http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/10/27/apple-and-google-arent-crushing-microsofts-office.aspx | Oct 27 13:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.fool.com | Apple and Google Aren't Crushing Microsoft’s Office -- Yet (AAPL, GOOG, MSFT) [ http://ur1.ca/fy4du ] | Oct 27 13:29 |
| iophk | "brought in one-third of the company's revenue and 60% of its profit." | Oct 27 13:30 |
| iophk | Control over the file formats brings in over 60% of the profit. | Oct 27 13:31 |
| Sosumi | the only suits that can be beat m$ office are the foss offices | Oct 27 13:31 |
| Sosumi | google offers you a cloud solution which is no thank you | Oct 27 13:31 |
| iophk | They get no press coverage. | Oct 27 13:31 |
| iophk | "cloud" is another form of lock-in | Oct 27 13:31 |
| Sosumi | crapple offers both cloud and local | Oct 27 13:31 |
| MinceR | on the other hand, m$ and crApple may move to the cloud too | Oct 27 13:31 |
| Sosumi | yes, lock in and prism | Oct 27 13:31 |
| iophk | The FOSS suites get no mention, even in articles bemoaning M$ products. | Oct 27 13:32 |
| MinceR | most users don't realize that there are problems with the cloud | Oct 27 13:32 |
| iophk | It's like there is some kind of prohibition on mentioning them. | Oct 27 13:32 |
| Sosumi | and that's shamefull | Oct 27 13:32 |
| MinceR | so there will probably be little resistance | Oct 27 13:32 |
| iophk | renaming things to the cloud means that all the decades of argument against "hosting" are gone | Oct 27 13:32 |
| Sosumi | and ppl are total dumbeffers for going into the cloud mantra | Oct 27 13:33 |
| iophk | It's "new" otherwise it wouldn't be called "cloud" | Oct 27 13:34 |
| Sosumi | my god, submitting confidential files like research documents and financial information to a third party | Oct 27 13:34 |
| iophk | It certainly can't be that hosting we've already dismissed. | Oct 27 13:34 |
| Sosumi | that's like shooting oneself with a ion canon | Oct 27 13:34 |
| iophk | And letting that third party control access, too. | Oct 27 13:34 |
| Sosumi | yep | Oct 27 13:35 |
| iophk | Mother May I ... read my file? | Oct 27 13:35 |
| iophk | It certainly makes surveillance easier and more thorough. | Oct 27 13:35 |
| Sosumi | and then we have fascistoparanoid government/corporations snooping everything | Oct 27 13:35 |
| Sosumi | well at this point, gov and coorporations are exactly the same thing | Oct 27 13:36 |
| Sosumi | since the nation state is dead | Oct 27 13:36 |
| iophk | It's now the corporate state, if anything. | Oct 27 13:36 |
| Sosumi | we are in deux ex turned real | Oct 27 13:36 |
| Sosumi | remember the 1997 game? | Oct 27 13:37 |
| iophk | no | Oct 27 13:37 |
| iophk | it was probably a model for some, | Oct 27 13:37 |
| iophk | like 1984 | Oct 27 13:37 |
| Sosumi | yep | Oct 27 13:37 |
| Sosumi | also, benched one of my 2009 mac pros, opengl on osx is still crap compared to winblows or linux | Oct 27 13:41 |
| Sosumi | also, if there's a program that requires xquartz and you move the window to a second screen | Oct 27 13:42 |
| Sosumi | it crashes | Oct 27 13:42 |
| Sosumi | lawl | Oct 27 13:42 |
| Sosumi | tested on a dual xeon 5570, 32gb ram, hd5870 | Oct 27 13:43 |
| Sosumi | the other pro as a gtx 285, but can't be turned off | Oct 27 13:44 |
| Sosumi | so can't tell how good nvidia drivers are | Oct 27 13:44 |
| Sosumi | probably crap like usual | Oct 27 13:44 |
| iophk | I haven't followed nvidia. | Oct 27 13:46 |
| iophk | I thought IBM and ATI passed them with OSS drivers | Oct 27 13:46 |
| Sosumi | IBM? or intel | Oct 27 13:47 |
| iophk | Sorry Intel | Oct 27 13:47 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 27 13:47 |
| Sosumi | but I was refering to moronicks | Oct 27 13:47 |
| Sosumi | just benching the thing | Oct 27 13:47 |
| Sosumi | it was free as beer anyways | Oct 27 13:48 |
| iophk | with who-knows-what kind of payload inside the blob | Oct 27 13:49 |
| Sosumi | you actually don't know anything | Oct 27 13:53 |
| Sosumi | all you can do is use tools like little snitch to monitor outbound traffic | Oct 27 13:53 |
| iophk | if it's not too obfuscated | Oct 27 13:53 |
| Sosumi | yes, and even then somethings bypass it | Oct 27 13:54 |
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| Sosumi | although back in 10.7 I was noticing that osx was calling apple diagnostics server even through I had that functionality disabled | Oct 27 13:55 |
| Sosumi | on the security pane | Oct 27 13:55 |
| Sosumi | to not submit reports | Oct 27 13:55 |
| Sosumi | so, you can't really trust anything if you're not allowed to audit the source code | Oct 27 13:56 |
| iophk | basically | Oct 27 13:56 |
| iophk | especially if there is money to be made selling info about the users | Oct 27 13:56 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: hi | Oct 27 13:57 |
| Sosumi | touché | Oct 27 13:57 |
| iophk | hi | Oct 27 13:57 |
| Sosumi | seb³ | Oct 27 13:57 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I feel so stressed out | Oct 27 13:57 |
| sebsebseb | at the moment | Oct 27 13:57 |
| sebsebseb | or kind of thing | Oct 27 13:57 |
| sebsebseb | technical issues | Oct 27 13:57 |
| iophk | Mageia issues? | Oct 27 13:57 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they are really stubborn about having these remasters | Oct 27 13:57 |
| sebsebseb | and they want for all the distros | Oct 27 13:57 |
| iophk | :( | Oct 27 13:57 |
| MinceR | you should also be able to audit the hardware, though | Oct 27 13:57 |
| sebsebseb | idea now is too just give out remasters on the USB | Oct 27 13:57 |
| MinceR | and you'll need a way around Trusting Trust attacks | Oct 27 13:57 |
| iophk | remastering , that's wasted effort | Oct 27 13:57 |
| sebsebseb | and mayde do a few installs there from them to | Oct 27 13:57 |
| sebsebseb | remaster with all the security updates up to the creatio date of it | Oct 27 13:58 |
| sebsebseb | and a few pre installed apps for Joe and Jane average | Oct 27 13:58 |
| iophk | MinceR: http://www.dwheeler.com/trusting-trust/ | Oct 27 13:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.dwheeler.com | Fully Countering Trusting Trust through Diverse Double-Compiling (DDC) - Countering Trojan Horse attacks on Compilers | Oct 27 13:58 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: problem is all the tools that are for Magiea suck | Oct 27 13:58 |
| sebsebseb | they are out dated | Oct 27 13:58 |
| sebsebseb | or compex too use etc | Oct 27 13:58 |
| iophk | What is the package manager? | Oct 27 13:58 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: then other tools that I may be abble to use instead such as mklivecd aren't in the reos or whatver and uh | Oct 27 13:58 |
| sebsebseb | that would let me just copy the partition and everything in it | Oct 27 13:58 |
| sebsebseb | and make a live cd of that it seems | Oct 27 13:58 |
| iophk | Like I wrote before, having the visitors install a package will help train them to be independent when they get their machine home. | Oct 27 13:59 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and I got four weeks or so to make a test re master | Oct 27 13:59 |
| sebsebseb | ohama: or well it may not be one of the distros at the event | Oct 27 13:59 |
| iophk | Take it one step at a time then | Oct 27 13:59 |
| sebsebseb | that's baialy what he told me yesterday | Oct 27 13:59 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yes been though all that | Oct 27 13:59 |
| sebsebseb | ,but no that's not what is going too be done | Oct 27 13:59 |
| sebsebseb | in fact they only want remasters realy as well | Oct 27 13:59 |
| sebsebseb | they think having tandard live cd's that there isn't much point | Oct 27 14:00 |
| sebsebseb | they are stubbor and obbssesed about these remasters | Oct 27 14:00 |
| sebsebseb | stubborn and obbssessed | Oct 27 14:00 |
| iophk | sounds stupid | Oct 27 14:00 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: also installs wil ony happen if there is time | Oct 27 14:00 |
| sebsebseb | idea is to show them stuff on demonstration computers, and give out remasterd USB's | Oct 27 14:00 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: unforutnatly all the Maiea tools are comlex to use to make a re master | Oct 27 14:00 |
| iophk | have the demo computers there, but prioritize what is difficult or frightening | Oct 27 14:01 |
| sebsebseb | or out dated as well and uh | Oct 27 14:01 |
| iophk | Only the first one or two are hard. | Oct 27 14:01 |
| iophk | Keep written notes. | Oct 27 14:01 |
| iophk | Then once the first one is done, you have a recipe. | Oct 27 14:01 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: once the first what is done | Oct 27 14:01 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Oct 27 14:01 |
| iophk | The first remaster / custom ISO | Oct 27 14:01 |
| iophk | I've done RedHat and Ubuntu, but those were a while ago. | Oct 27 14:02 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: the Mageia remaster tools are old or out dated or very complex to use | Oct 27 14:02 |
| iophk | You'll want a second computer | Oct 27 14:02 |
| iophk | complex is not a problem if you can figure it out once. | Oct 27 14:02 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: sounds like trying too install thsi mklivecd may be the way to go, but that's not in the reos etc | Oct 27 14:02 |
| sebsebseb | that woud just copy the patition and whats on it, into a live cd | Oct 27 14:03 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and I hae four weeks or so to make this remaster or Maigea may not be one of the distros at the event, that's basially what he told me yesterday | Oct 27 14:03 |
| iophk | Another reason to go with an off-the-shelf standard LiveCD is that the visitors will be familiar with it if they encounter it again. | Oct 27 14:03 |
| iophk | That helps them gain independence | Oct 27 14:03 |
| iophk | otherwise they think they are dependent on your group. | Oct 27 14:04 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yes we been through all that already | Oct 27 14:04 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: but nope they want to do these re masterd with pre installed stuff | Oct 27 14:04 |
| sebsebseb | apparnatly instals would be done from the remaster to if any | Oct 27 14:04 |
| iophk | Do you have the equipment? 2 DVD RW or CD RW, 1 machine with Linux and a burner, 1 machine for install testing | Oct 27 14:04 |
| iophk | ? | Oct 27 14:04 |
| iophk | ? | Oct 27 14:04 |
| iophk | That's unreasonable to not do installs. | Oct 27 14:05 |
| iophk | The demos should show *standard* distros plus a highlighted app or two. | Oct 27 14:05 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: the idea now is, only too do installs at the eent if there is time | Oct 27 14:05 |
| sebsebseb | say not that many people | Oct 27 14:05 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: eent is only sixhours | Oct 27 14:05 |
| iophk | That's a lot of installs | Oct 27 14:05 |
| iophk | still | Oct 27 14:05 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so the idea is to not do any installs at all | Oct 27 14:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and only if there s time do some | Oct 27 14:06 |
| iophk | Figure 45 min per person per sinstall | Oct 27 14:06 |
| sebsebseb | it's about showing and giving out a remter more so than installs | Oct 27 14:06 |
| sebsebseb | it's not really an installfest now | Oct 27 14:06 |
| iophk | To me it sounds like a mistake, | Oct 27 14:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: it's a live showing infest or whatever | Oct 27 14:06 |
| sebsebseb | it's not realy a install fest now | Oct 27 14:06 |
| iophk | Yeah it can't be called an installfest now | Oct 27 14:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: idea is to send them back to us afte rwoulds if they want to install later for a lot | Oct 27 14:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they want too al the event itself, Linux Live 2014 | Oct 27 14:07 |
| sebsebseb | I have untill Monday | Oct 27 14:07 |
| sebsebseb | to suggest a better name | Oct 27 14:07 |
| sebsebseb | if I have one | Oct 27 14:07 |
| sebsebseb | otherwise yep Linux Live 2014 | Oct 27 14:07 |
| iophk | It's not even a live showing if there are not std Live DVD s any more. | Oct 27 14:07 |
| sebsebseb | well the re msters are stilll Live media's | Oct 27 14:07 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah not stanard ones | Oct 27 14:07 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: someome suggestd mklivecd too me to make the remaster of Magiea | Oct 27 14:08 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: instead of messing around with these complex outdated Magiea tools that's draklive and bcd | Oct 27 14:08 |
| sebsebseb | ,but with mkliecd not sure quite hwere to download the sript etc | Oct 27 14:09 |
| iophk | I used Kickstart, but that was a bit before Live CDs were common | Oct 27 14:09 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Kickstarter I heard of that recently, sinece the guy was saying something about that and Fedora | Oct 27 14:10 |
| sebsebseb | https://github.com/dillj/Unity-Linux/tree/master/mklivecd | Oct 27 14:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | github.com | Unity-Linux/mklivecd at master · dillj/Unity-Linux · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/fy4he ] | Oct 27 14:10 |
| sebsebseb | can I get source code for the srpt from that? | Oct 27 14:10 |
| sebsebseb | I can't see a download link | Oct 27 14:10 |
| sebsebseb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mklivecd | Oct 27 14:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Mklivecd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Oct 27 14:11 |
| sebsebseb | officl site no longe there it seems as well | Oct 27 14:11 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: what's the site for kickstart? | Oct 27 14:13 |
| iophk | It's not a site. | Oct 27 14:14 |
| iophk | It's an installation method. | Oct 27 14:14 |
| sebsebseb | how to use that? | Oct 27 14:14 |
| sebsebseb | and how to get this mklivecd? | Oct 27 14:14 |
| sebsebseb | and uh | Oct 27 14:14 |
| iophk | It won't be good for a live CD, just for installation. | Oct 27 14:15 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: oh | Oct 27 14:15 |
| sebsebseb | well anyway then | Oct 27 14:15 |
| iophk | During boot, you point to a configuration file | Oct 27 14:15 |
| sebsebseb | how to get mklivecd? | Oct 27 14:15 |
| iophk | then it installs packages | Oct 27 14:15 |
| sebsebseb | if I can just copy an already exiting instal and make a livvecd of it | Oct 27 14:15 |
| sebsebseb | that is proaby the easiter way | Oct 27 14:15 |
| iophk | mklivecd? There might be other Live CD tools. | Oct 27 14:15 |
| sebsebseb | and apparnatlly with this mklivecd I can | Oct 27 14:15 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: there are other tools that can apparnaty make a live cd, but they aren't any good | Oct 27 14:15 |
| iophk | http://livecd.berlios.de/?Documentation:HowTo_Create_A_LiveCD | Oct 27 14:16 |
| iophk | ? | Oct 27 14:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | livecd.berlios.de | HowTo Create A LiveCD [ http://ur1.ca/fy4hs ] | Oct 27 14:16 |
| iophk | taht uses mklivecd too | Oct 27 14:16 |
| iophk | Is mklivecd in Mageia's repository? | Oct 27 14:17 |
| sebsebseb | that's a old article | Oct 27 14:19 |
| sebsebseb | the link for downloading mklivecd doen't work a well | Oct 27 14:19 |
| sebsebseb | and no mklivecd doesn't seem to be in Mageia's repo's as I belie I put earier | Oct 27 14:19 |
| iophk | right, you should use what's in the repository | Oct 27 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | wel it's not in the repo's | Oct 27 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Oct 27 14:20 |
| iophk | is there a forum or mailing list for Mageia powerusers? | Oct 27 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | I sent a email to discuss askin g about remasteirng | Oct 27 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | last night | Oct 27 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | one repy suggestd mklivecd | Oct 27 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | another from smeone I had talkd to on IRC about stuff went through the tools and said stuff about them being complated etc | Oct 27 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | and someone suggestd something else, but yeah | Oct 27 14:21 |
| iophk | what else was suggested? | Oct 27 14:21 |
| iophk | It has to fit with RPM distros | Oct 27 14:21 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/04/us-adobe-cyberattack-idUSBRE99212Y20131004 | Oct 27 14:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.reuters.com | Adobe says source code, customer data stolen by hackers | Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/fy4ii ] | Oct 27 14:21 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I'll show you these two other emails | Oct 27 14:22 |
| sebsebseb | was just going to start copying one in the message of | Oct 27 14:22 |
| sebsebseb | not incuding my own message agian of course though | Oct 27 14:22 |
| sebsebseb | I looked at the BCD documentiaton PDF last night by the way, which seems to have just come over from Mandria | Oct 27 14:23 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah I don't understand that realy | Oct 27 14:23 |
| sebsebseb | anyway messages | Oct 27 14:23 |
| sebsebseb | : | Oct 27 14:23 |
| sebsebseb | I'm also interested in remastering isos. Seems like we have 3 options | Oct 27 14:23 |
| sebsebseb | for doing this: draklive, bcd and isomaster - all of them are not user | Oct 27 14:23 |
| sebsebseb | friendly. | Oct 27 14:23 |
| iophk | Can you link to the archived answers? | Oct 27 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 27 14:24 | |
| sebsebseb | Draklive... used to build live isos | Oct 27 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | In the past i was able to create some updated/remastered isos with | Oct 27 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | draklive. It was Mandriva 2010 and Mageia 1. | Oct 27 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | After Mageia 1 I tried it few times but with no luck. Seems like | Oct 27 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | version we have available on SVN/GIT is not the one currently used | Oct 27 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | for creating live isos. | Oct 27 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | I hope it will be available some day, then I will write some how-to on the wiki. | Oct 27 14:24 |
| iophk | which one is the most actively developed? | Oct 27 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 27 14:24 | |
| sebsebseb | BCD... used to build classical installer isos (DVD, dualcd) | Oct 27 14:24 |
| sebsebseb | I have never used this tool | Oct 27 14:24 |
| iophk | Is draklive the most actively developed one? | Oct 27 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 27 14:25 | |
| sebsebseb | Isomaster.... also not user friendly but works. If no better option | Oct 27 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | will be available I will try to write how-to for it after Mageia 4 | Oct 27 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | release. | Oct 27 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | that's his message | Oct 27 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | and draklive apparatly is the one that the offical live cd's are made with, but acording to this guy, it's all out dated in the repo | Oct 27 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | also on Friday/Thursday I een emailed the guy who maks the offical live cd's and what not about makng a remaster, and yep no reply unfortunatlly | Oct 27 14:26 |
| sebsebseb | someone else sent me this: | Oct 27 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | I'm not an expert, but I would start by taking an mga3 iso, unpacking it, creating the corresponding update directories, and then creating the other corresponding files, in parallel with what you find in the initial directories. | Oct 27 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | The iso's are only about 4G, leaving about 700M free for adding updates and other packages. | Oct 27 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | If you remove any existing packages, the associated package lists and MD5SUM's will have to be changed. | Oct 27 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 27 14:27 | |
| sebsebseb | All the changes should be under /i586/ (for 32bit) or /x86_64/ (for 64 bit). | Oct 27 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | Some regular files there, as well as under .../media/*. | Oct 27 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | I don't know how the hdlist.cz and synthesis.hdlist.cz files are created | Oct 27 14:28 |
| iophk | From what I remember the package list and checksums are calcualted when the ISO image is created. | Oct 27 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 27 14:28 | |
| sebsebseb | HTH, at least to start ... | Oct 27 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I have never made a remate of any distro before | Oct 27 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so this is all new to me | Oct 27 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | and typial this distro doens't have some nice GU to use to make them | Oct 27 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | like Mint and Open Suse do | Oct 27 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | easy enough for the Open Suse guy to make one for that distro and so on, but here it's the opposoite | Oct 27 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | and Google doesn't realy help eeither when looking stuff up it seems | Oct 27 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: am I really going too have to e like in four weeks | Oct 27 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | no I can't make the remaster it seems | Oct 27 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | and then be told that there won't be Magiea as one of the distros? | Oct 27 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | probably | Oct 27 14:30 |
| iophk | Don't worrry about the 4 weeks. Worry about which tool to start with. | Oct 27 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | uh | Oct 27 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: according to that guy who also emailed me, it seems there may be a een more updated darklive | Oct 27 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | ,but not in the repo's | Oct 27 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | the offical LIve Media's are made using it | Oct 27 14:30 |
| iophk | can you install it anyway? | Oct 27 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | I did instll dark live and the thing for that | Oct 27 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I just seem to get the installer opended and that's it | Oct 27 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | I don't understnad about this dark lie etc | Oct 27 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | and I tried to open from terminal and didnt get far before a well and uh | Oct 27 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't know what to do here | Oct 27 14:32 |
| iophk | mkisofs -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c boot.cat -V Custom_Disc -o /kickstart.iso -no-emul-boot -boot-info-table -r -l /kickstart/ | Oct 27 14:32 |
| sebsebseb | and there doesn't seem too just be some remasteirng expert that I can turn too for help, for this distro. as well uh | Oct 27 14:32 |
| sebsebseb | what does that command do? | Oct 27 14:32 |
| sebsebseb | is that meant to make a ISO? | Oct 27 14:33 |
| sebsebseb | or file system of | Oct 27 14:33 |
| iophk | It makes an ISO image from a bunch of files on your HD | Oct 27 14:33 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Oct 27 14:34 |
| sebsebseb | which files? | Oct 27 14:34 |
| iophk | You basically unpack the CD or DVD onto the HD | Oct 27 14:34 |
| iophk | then make some changes | Oct 27 14:34 |
| iophk | then use mkisofs to build an ISO | Oct 27 14:34 |
| iophk | the you burn it to CD RW or DVD RW | Oct 27 14:34 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I guess I can just do it all on the command line | Oct 27 14:34 |
| sebsebseb | if I know the commands | Oct 27 14:34 |
| sebsebseb | is that what your getting at here or? | Oct 27 14:34 |
| iophk | yes | Oct 27 14:34 |
| iophk | it may be faster and easier that way. | Oct 27 14:35 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: all I want too do though is really just take an offical image | Oct 27 14:35 |
| sebsebseb | say the Live CD | Oct 27 14:35 |
| sebsebseb | or I uess maye een the Live DVD with English only on it | Oct 27 14:35 |
| iophk | That should work. | Oct 27 14:35 |
| sebsebseb | pre install all the security updates | Oct 27 14:35 |
| sebsebseb | up to the creation of my re master | Oct 27 14:35 |
| sebsebseb | and a few additional apps as well that Joe and Jane average may want pre intalled | Oct 27 14:36 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think dralive is a comand line one too | Oct 27 14:36 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: might have to reome some progrms like gimp for space reaosns to, or, beuase they don't want gimp pre intalled maybe | Oct 27 14:37 |
| sebsebseb | I think gimp is by default | Oct 27 14:37 |
| iophk | Do keep notes on what you want. | Oct 27 14:37 |
| sebsebseb | well he has this idea to have the sme pe installed apps in all of them | Oct 27 14:37 |
| sebsebseb | as in when select our own pre installed apps, they all have the same ones | Oct 27 14:38 |
| sebsebseb | and also that might have to remove more than just translations for space reasons,so gimp too for example | Oct 27 14:38 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ,but really I just need to make some kind of test remaster | Oct 27 14:38 |
| sebsebseb | of Magiea | Oct 27 14:38 |
| sebsebseb | to show it can be done etc | Oct 27 14:38 |
| sebsebseb | and that I can do it, later on I would have to make the real one with Mageia 4 | Oct 27 14:38 |
| iophk | How about this? | Oct 27 14:39 |
| iophk | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_a_Live_CD | Oct 27 14:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fedoraproject.org | How to create and use a Live CD - FedoraProject [ http://ur1.ca/0860w ] | Oct 27 14:39 |
| sebsebseb | security upatses, and pre intsalled apps | Oct 27 14:39 |
| iophk | can that be imported to mageia | Oct 27 14:39 |
| iophk | ? | Oct 27 14:40 |
| iophk | I forgot about VirtualBox or Qemu. | Oct 27 14:40 |
| iophk | You can use them to test your ISO images before burning them. | Oct 27 14:40 |
| iophk | I'd recommend Qemu because that can be launched entirely from the shell. | Oct 27 14:41 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well livecd-creator isn't in Mageia's repo's it seems | Oct 27 14:41 |
| sebsebseb | PC Linux OS has some kind of GUI made by texstar it seems that uses mkliecd too going by wht I read earlier as well | Oct 27 14:42 |
| sebsebseb | and PC Linux OS was based on Manrake in 2003 so hmm | Oct 27 14:42 |
| sebsebseb | what I been thining is could I use that for example, but to make one for Mageia hmm | Oct 27 14:42 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I have also bee thinking if I give up sine all this emaster stupidty, I might just try and suggest PCLOS instead uh | Oct 27 14:42 |
| sebsebseb | well it has the contorl centre to and is a stable rolling release | Oct 27 14:43 |
| iophk | I still think it's stupid not to use stock disc images | Oct 27 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | as for virtual machines indeed can test the remasterd ISO like that first | Oct 27 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well there won't be any local repo's either with this idea | Oct 27 14:43 |
| iophk | Yes, the VM can be lauchned from one line and run all the way through the boot up. | Oct 27 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | turns out the room has ethernet as well | Oct 27 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | as well as wifi at the venue | Oct 27 14:43 |
| iophk | Ethernet connected to what? | Oct 27 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | the Internet I guess | Oct 27 14:44 |
| iophk | Yes but what quality? | Oct 27 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | I don't know | Oct 27 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I hpe they haven't picked a too stupi room | Oct 27 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | ,beause of it eing central | Oct 27 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I mean it's smaller than the one that coul hae gotat this other place | Oct 27 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | ,but someone would e the recetionsits for the event basially, control the door etc | Oct 27 14:45 |
| iophk | yeah it increases staffing requirements | Oct 27 14:45 |
| sebsebseb | yeah, but bene given it free | Oct 27 14:45 |
| sebsebseb | that's why it has won | Oct 27 14:45 |
| sebsebseb | and two of them haveseen that room, but I haven't | Oct 27 14:45 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I was at the same venue the other week looking at another room | Oct 27 14:46 |
| sebsebseb | it's a very popular well known venue in the centre of the city | Oct 27 14:46 |
| sebsebseb | ,but the room itself can only fir about 30 to 40 peope max it seems | Oct 27 14:46 |
| iophk | free is good | Oct 27 14:46 |
| iophk | maybe you'll have to throw people out if it gets too crowded | Oct 27 14:46 |
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| sebsebseb | so she may have to control the door, the number of people in the room depending on who turns up etc | Oct 27 14:46 |
| sebsebseb | and she has to do that nayway | Oct 27 14:46 |
| sebsebseb | since t's not realy a public room as such | Oct 27 14:47 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: exatct | Oct 27 14:47 |
| sebsebseb | exactly she may have to not let in certian people if it gets to crowded | Oct 27 14:47 |
| sebsebseb | or not let them in yet | Oct 27 14:47 |
| iophk | tazer! | Oct 27 14:47 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they think 200 people for the whole day | Oct 27 14:47 |
| sebsebseb | may not even get that | Oct 27 14:47 |
| sebsebseb | ,but we'll see I guess | Oct 27 14:48 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: it's the nicer venue and the more central, but it's also a smaller room so hmm | Oct 27 14:48 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ,but this is going oo be a Mint and Open Suse event by the looks of it | Oct 27 14:48 |
| sebsebseb | and maybe Ubuntu or Fedora as well | Oct 27 14:48 |
| sebsebseb | unless I can do this remaster uh | Oct 27 14:48 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't know what to doo | Oct 27 14:49 |
| sebsebseb | I think draklive is a command ine thing to | Oct 27 14:49 |
| sebsebseb | and then with that bcd got to make like a script for it as well or something uh | Oct 27 14:49 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: i just wanted to go with standard install media and loal repo's, but no got to od things this way uh | Oct 27 14:50 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe you can install Mageia in a vm at least? and try and make a remaster yourself orsomething? | Oct 27 14:50 |
| *sebsebseb needs proper help here hmm | Oct 27 14:51 | |
| sebsebseb | iophk: this wole remater thing hs een stresing me out every time I have thought of it | Oct 27 14:51 |
| sebsebseb | ever since it was suggested and sugested and suggested and oh yeah let's do the remaster | Oct 27 14:51 |
| iophk | don't think of the whole thing then | Oct 27 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | ,beause it's so asy to make for Mint and OpenSUse | Oct 27 14:52 |
| iophk | think of the first step only | Oct 27 14:52 |
| iophk | Look at Fedora, then | Oct 27 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | I remember sitting at that meeting saying to this guy, I don't know how to make them, but I'll try and find out for Maiea | Oct 27 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | then the other week I got nagged where's your remaaster ? by another oen | Oct 27 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | I sent email eplaining I had tech issues etc,but I am on my own | Oct 27 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | these people won't help me try and make one it seems for this distro | Oct 27 14:53 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: look at Fedora? | Oct 27 14:53 |
| sebsebseb | I said that iso ceate tool in that Fedora page isn't in Mageia's repo's so hmm | Oct 27 14:53 |
| sebsebseb | that isobuilder that guy mentioend using before isn't in the repos either it seems so hmm | Oct 27 14:53 |
| sebsebseb | yeah these complated tools to use draklive and bcd are in the repos though of course | Oct 27 14:53 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: of course this can be done, but how and so on, and it's probaby not that dififcult too do really once know what doing, but uh | Oct 27 14:55 |
| iophk | What other forums have you posted to? | Oct 27 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: here's how I see it as well, saing how great Mageia was, may come backand get at me | Oct 27 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | if I can't remeaster | Oct 27 14:55 |
| iophk | LinuxQuestions, StackExchange? | Oct 27 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | uh | Oct 27 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | no not on any forums yet | Oct 27 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | I did think I could start a thread on the Magiea forum as well though if neassarey, but I sent out a emai to discuss that got replies last night | Oct 27 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think if I can just copy a install tand make a liecd out of it using mklivecd | Oct 27 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | that is the easiest way too go, but no mklivecd in repos it seems so hmm | Oct 27 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: should I give up, and just well let it be a Mitn and Open SUse an whatever event | Oct 27 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | no agiea | Oct 27 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Oct 27 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | :( | Oct 27 14:58 |
| iophk | Fedora at least. | Oct 27 15:02 |
| iophk | Start the thread on the Mageia forum too. You can explore several communications media in parallel | Oct 27 15:02 |
| iophk | . | Oct 27 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: does this page make much sense too you or? https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Draklive also it actsaullly mentions mklivecd a bit, but uhmm see for yourself | Oct 27 15:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | wiki.mageia.org | Draklive - Mageia wiki | Oct 27 15:03 |
| sebsebseb | https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Draklive | Oct 27 15:03 |
| iophk | " Bu Şablon Hakkında " ???? | Oct 27 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: what? | Oct 27 15:08 |
| iophk | It was on that wiki page | Oct 27 15:10 |
| iophk | it's not all in English | Oct 27 15:10 |
| iophk | I don't see enough info on that page to customize the disc | Oct 27 15:10 |
| iophk | Have you posted to the forum yet? | Oct 27 15:10 |
| sebsebseb | no | Oct 27 15:12 |
| iophk | Please do so. They can't help until you have asked. | Oct 27 15:12 |
| iophk | There are people in all timezones so it is good to get the question in as soon as you can. | Oct 27 15:13 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah, but I feel to stressed out too mess around resetting my password and posting on forum an such | Oct 27 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | at the moment | Oct 27 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I did look there just now though | Oct 27 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | there's a basic support area | Oct 27 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | and a adanced support area | Oct 27 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | what does htis go unde advanced since the tools aren't user friendly hmm | Oct 27 15:17 |
| iophk | probably advanced | Oct 27 15:18 |
| sebsebseb | yeah that's what I am thinking | Oct 27 15:18 |
| iophk | custom LiveDVDs are a power-user kind of thing | Oct 27 15:19 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I'll reply to emails soon | Oct 27 15:19 |
| sebsebseb | ,but not messing around with forum for now | Oct 27 15:19 |
| iophk | Do you have your password reset yet and loggedinot the forum? | Oct 27 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | need a break from all this I think | Oct 27 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | some mindless TV | Oct 27 15:20 |
| iophk | Do the forum(s) in parallel, post and then you can forget for today | Oct 27 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | parallel post ? | Oct 27 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | hmm yeah or do the foru post in a bit ike your saying, and then wait for replies etc | Oct 27 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | and watch TV or whatever | Oct 27 15:21 |
| iophk | yes rest while the replies come in | Oct 27 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | I got Under The Dome to catch up on | Oct 27 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | Nikita to catch up on as well, we are quite behind in UK, but what was on TV, the last two Friday's | Oct 27 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | I got the Blacklist to catch up on a wlel | Oct 27 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | as well | Oct 27 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: do you watch any of those shows? | Oct 27 15:23 |
| sebsebseb | unde the dome maybe? | Oct 27 15:23 |
| iophk | no | Oct 27 15:35 |
| iophk | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_a_Live_CD | Oct 27 15:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fedoraproject.org | How to create and use a Live CD - FedoraProject [ http://ur1.ca/0860w ] | Oct 27 15:39 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.yidio.com/show/saturday-night-live/season-39/episode-1/3310374651 | Oct 27 17:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.yidio.com | Watch Saturday Night Live Clip: Cold Open: Obamacare Video Online [ http://ur1.ca/fy4zw ] | Oct 27 17:05 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer shared WIRED's photo. | Oct 27 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | 15 minutes ago · Edited | Oct 27 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | "Back in 1994, Apple was actually at the forefront of digital photography. The QuickTake Camera’s photos (640 x 480 at 0.3 megapixels) were borderline unusable for anything other than your Geocities homepage. But technology has to start somewhere." | Oct 27 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | It's a shame that their iPad still takes low resolution pictures like this in 2013. | Oct 27 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 27 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Oct 27 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | It's also funny that Apple's Mac Minis that were released before 2009 aren't fast enough to play a video game released with tablets in mind in 2010, while most non-Apple PCs built in 2003 will run that game. | Oct 27 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | (From the Rochard release notes) | Oct 27 17:38 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 27 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Oct 27 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | When Valve was porting Half Life 2 to Mac OS, they had to stop and ask Apple to implement GL_ARB_occlusion_query, a feature that had been in OpenGL for several years, meaning that Apple was lying to applications about which version of OpenGL it actually supported, and any program that attempted to use this feature would crash instead. | Oct 27 17:43 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 27 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | a few seconds ago | Oct 27 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | When Apple released Mac OS 10.9 this month, they bragged that they support OpenGL 4.0. I don't know if that's true or not, since Apple lies about missing features that are required for compliance with the standards, and implements features incorrectly which make them unusable. | Oct 27 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | Nevertheless.... | Oct 27 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | Khronos released OpenGL 4.0 in March of 2010. The beta Nvidia driver (for Windows and GNU/Linux) with OpenGL 4 experimental support was released in July of 2010, and AMD's beta driver was out in August of 2010. | Oct 27 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | Their official drivers have had OpenGL 4.0 support since like September/October 2010. | Oct 27 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | They currently support OpenGL 4.2 and they have beta drivers out with OpenGL 4.3. | Oct 27 17:47 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz_bed2: Around? | Oct 27 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 27 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | 39 minutes ago · | Oct 27 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | If a software license says that I can't share with others, I'm generally disinclined to use that software, because not being able to share is an anti-social and generally dysfunctional thing. | Oct 27 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | If a license for a digital work says you can't share with others, and you violate that term of use, I don't think there's anything morally wrong with that. You're causing more harm by following the rules and depriving society of something than you are by making copies for your friends. | Oct 27 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | But software is a special case, because there's really two forms of it. One is the binary form that runs on your computer, and the other is the source code that it came from, which can be altered and compiled into a different version of that program. | Oct 27 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | When proprietary software companies only give you the binaries, then there's generally not much you can do to improve the software or eliminate malicious "features" that you don't like. So, it's better not to share proprietary software with others, whether or not the license says you can do it, because then there will be one more copy of something that denies its users their freedom. | Oct 27 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | Generally, with proprietary software and malicious hostile devices like iThings, it's better to just not use them, and to not even tell other people they exist unless you're also willing to explain the problems that those things will cause them later. | Oct 27 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | Malicious software companies, like Microsoft and Apple, want things like digital restrictions malware to feel natural. They want sharing and copying to be thought of as stealing. This is not only false, it is ridiculous. | Oct 27 19:01 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztd9m71Jc-Y | Oct 27 19:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Richard Stallman Speech - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fy5cf ] | Oct 27 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | posted to my Facebook wall | Oct 27 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | "I have to stand here and fix this damned thing every time it jams, until I get my output." -Richard Stallman (about Xerox's laser printer) | Oct 27 19:18 |
| MinceR | gn | Oct 27 19:38 |
| Sosumi | run to hills, Y2K, Y2K, erhmgerd, things are going to blow unless they run on crApple systems | Oct 27 19:49 |
| Sosumi | http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/10/27/another-daylight-saving-time-bug-strikes-apples-ios-7-affects-calendar-display | Oct 27 19:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | appleinsider.com | Another daylight saving time bug strikes Apple's iOS 7, affects calendar display [ http://ur1.ca/fy5fh ] | Oct 27 19:50 |
| Sosumi | lulz | Oct 27 19:50 |
| Sosumi | crApple can't even handle DST changes | Oct 27 19:50 |
| Sosumi | but they used to joke about windows's leap year problem | Oct 27 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 27 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | 46 seconds ago · Edited | Oct 27 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | "There are programmers that say 'If I don't agree to do this, and this, and this to get a programming job, I'll starve.' They literally claim they'll starve. | Oct 27 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | Even in India, there are millions of people who are not programmers, who are not starving, so this must be somewhat of an exaggeration. | Oct 27 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | Now, I had no other noteworthy skills, but I'm sure I could have been a waiter. Perhaps not at a fine restaurant, but I could have been a waiter somewhere. | Oct 27 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | There are two things to note about being a waiter. #1. Being a waiter is not unethical, unless it's at McDonalds. #2. As a waiter, you're not going to starve, unless it's at McDonalds. | Oct 27 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | Please be aware that the popularity of McDonalds is due to a confusion on the part of poorly educated Americans. They heard the term 'fast food' and they thought it meant 'rapid food'. They didn't realize that it meant 'food for not eating'. But that's exactly what it's meant for. | Oct 27 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | The idea is that if you are fasting, but you're getting hungry, and you're feeling a pull to eat something, you imagine that McDonalds food, and you lose your appetite. And that way you can complete your fast." -Richard Stallman, regarding Non-Disclosure Agreements (and McDonalds). | Oct 27 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 27 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | 2 hours ago · Edited | Oct 27 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | When Valve was porting Half Life 2 to Mac OS, they had to stop and ask Apple to implement GL_ARB_occlusion_query, a feature that had been in OpenGL for several years*, meaning that Apple was lying to applications about which version of OpenGL it actually supported, and any program that attempted to use this feature would crash instead. | Oct 27 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | *(I can't remember exactly when, but Half Life 2 was out in 2004, and occlusion query was a part of the Windows drivers at that point.) | Oct 27 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | Apple's control freakery is so bad that they have to re-invent everything, even if it already exists, and even if their implementation is ultimately worse. | Oct 27 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 27 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Oct 27 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | Forty years ago, we had the right wing extremists soaking crosses in kerosene and setting them on fire in people's front yards. Now we have the same kind of people who work within the system to focus hatred legislatively. | Oct 27 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | They don't get the contempt they deserve because they aren't setting crosses on fire in people's lawns, but don't be fooled, they're the same people. They'll always pick on people that they don't think are strong enough to fight back. It's time to take the gloves off and stand up to these bullies and say "You know what? I'm sick of this, and I'm not going to stand here and take it from you anymore.". | Oct 27 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | We might lose (it's Indiana, which I call "the south giving the finger to the north"), but we don't have to take this quietly. | Oct 27 20:35 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 27 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | 3 minutes ago · Edited | Oct 27 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | I joked about how we'll never get rid of Leonard and Stutzman no matter how crazy they are, because the Republicans have my district so gerrymandered that the Democrats don't even bother to oppose them. | Oct 27 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | I said "There's more turnover in the Russian Kremlin than in the US House of Representatives or the Indiana House or Senate, because of these cheating Republicans.". | Oct 27 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | It's so bad that I have to leave part of my ballot blank because I refuse to rubber stamp the right wing extremist, and there's nobody else on the ballot to vote for. | Oct 27 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 27 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Oct 27 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | If a game of checkers was played between a Republican and a Democrat, the Republican would make the first eight moves and then claim it was fair because they changed the rules. | Oct 27 20:41 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-october-21-2013/the-weakest-link---a-few-glitches?xrs=synd_facebook_102213_tds_85 | Oct 27 23:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.thedailyshow.com | The Weakest Link - A Few Glitches - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 10/21/13 - Video Clip | Comedy Central [ http://ur1.ca/fy69b ] | Oct 27 23:03 |
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| DaemonFC | Someone I know says he works two jobs. | Oct 28 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | I told him that I almost ended up doing that years ago, but I got to thinking about whether it was more important to have more time or more crap. | Oct 28 02:24 |
| DaemonFC | Then I realized that if I had no time to enjoy the extra stuff I could buy, there was no reason to have the stuff, so there was no reason to work more hours to have it. | Oct 28 02:25 |
| iophk | http://www.zdnet.com/concerns-rise-on-os-x-mavericks-gmail-compatibility-7000022481/ | Oct 28 03:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zdnet.com | Concerns rise on OS X Mavericks' Gmail compatibility | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/fy72h ] | Oct 28 03:47 |
| iophk | http://www.datamation.com/open-source/seven-things-you-can-do-in-kde-but-not-on-other-linux-desktops-1.html | Oct 28 04:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.datamation.com | Seven Things You Can Do in KDE (But Not on Other Linux Desktops) - Datamation [ http://ur1.ca/fy77h ] | Oct 28 04:28 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3216617 | Oct 28 05:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: By the standards of the #fbi the #us population is being radicalised. Their big fear is, this so-called "radicalisation" becomes the norm. | Oct 28 05:34 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Trying to kill the movement with the new COINTELPRO" | Oct 28 05:35 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394756299671748608 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394756856843108353 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394757169230663680 | Oct 28 05:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Europe should be grateful for NSA spying, Rogers says http://t.co/5y9WudN7bs thank you for #espionage | Oct 28 05:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.cbsnews.com | Europe should be grateful for NSA spying, Rogers says - CBS News | Oct 28 05:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 60 Minutes (CBS) has a new #propaganda piece titled "Benghazi". How will they spin that CIA Al-Qaeda feeding (arming) frenzy? | Oct 28 05:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The NSA tells us there are terrorists and the CIA can confirm because it has the receipts/invoices (weapons with blank cheque). | Oct 28 05:36 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394759778565902336 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394760023664263168 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394760450984148992 | Oct 28 05:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Recently saw some images of Marines who protest, saying they would refuse to fight in Syria because they joined to stop Al Qaeda,not help it | Oct 28 05:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Reports indicate that nothing seems as 'violent' and dangerous to secret agencies than the anti-war movement. It means we're winning. | Oct 28 05:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Many people don't know that Dawkins used to be an anti-war activist before he was a so-called 'militant' Atheist https://t.co/d9Utl0gRrK | Oct 28 05:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | TTA Podcast 131: The Richard Dawkins Interview - YouTube | Oct 28 05:40 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394763497441329152 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394763563107360768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394764147797553152 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394764530603290624 | Oct 28 06:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: As if participating in protest is now terrorism... http://t.co/98Xp8sBDSu http://t.co/iBe7NpFHK1 #spain | Oct 28 06:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> uk.reuters.com | NSA spied on 60 million Spanish phone calls in a month - report | Reuters | Oct 28 06:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.ft.com | NSA monitored 60m phone calls in Spain, say media - FT.com | Oct 28 06:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: NSA 'monitored 60m Spanish calls in a month' http://t.co/xn6QDSt2sR wow, so many 'terrorists', maybe the majority! | Oct 28 06:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - NSA 'monitored 60m Spanish calls in a month' | Oct 28 06:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: CIA employees: "Homeland" is just inaccurate #propaganda http://t.co/IKC78NcTyu #hogwash and #pr like Zero Dark Thirty | Oct 28 06:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.telegraph.co.uk | Homeland nothing like real intelligence work, say CIA employees - Telegraph | Oct 28 06:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Former US Official: For Every Yemen Terrorist US Drones Kill, 40-60 New Enemies Are Created http://t.co/BAUERcU6ZK more business | Oct 28 06:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> antiwar.com | Former US Official: For Every Yemen Terrorist US Drones Kill, 40-60 New Enemies Are Created « Antiwar.com Blog | Oct 28 06:04 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394764831313915904 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394765186634371072 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394765581918158848 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394766346745311232 | Oct 28 06:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Without any real, profound analysis (cost analysis for example), the war on terror because as pointless as the war on sharing | Oct 28 06:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The #cia #drone attacks don't make anyone safer http://t.co/ByFTNbLISe http://t.co/2CNwOHn4Wu | Oct 28 06:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> rt.com | Each drone strike creates at least 40 new militants - ex-State Dept. official — RT USA | Oct 28 06:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.digitaljournal.com | US official: Every Yemen drone strike creates 40-60 new enemies | Oct 28 06:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Simply put, US #drones kill http://t.co/6trVJGj2ec "I saw the title “Drones make America safer.”" The power of #propaganda | Oct 28 06:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.dailycal.org | Simply put, US drones kill - The Daily Californian | Oct 28 06:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Defense One" (pro-war) is trying to say that #drones that lack human intervention/judgment are more 'secure' http://t.co/Qyu8I8RxvL | Oct 28 06:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> qz.com | The most secure drones will be able to kill without human controllers – Quartz | Oct 28 06:05 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://youngcons.com/pigs-are-flying-hollywood-celebrities-come-together-and-make-a-video-slamming-the-government/?fb_action_ids=10202446111180224&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%252210202446111180224%2522%253A725926047436192%7D&action_type_map=%7B%252210202446111180224%2522%253A%2522og.likes%2522%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D | Oct 28 06:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | youngcons.com | Pigs are flying: Hollywood celebrities come together and make a video slamming the government | Young Conservatives [ http://ur1.ca/fy7lq ] | Oct 28 06:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394767083902627840 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394767474849505280 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394767875355189248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394768289622392832 | Oct 28 06:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Power for change https://t.co/V1BO3YfV1L | Oct 28 06:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: White House hypocrisy https://t.co/xVqaaC99kv | Oct 28 06:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Germany, Brazil enlist 19 more countries for anti-NSA UN resolution http://t.co/1jtmwrKQDK #europe #southamerica #un #privacy | Oct 28 06:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> rt.com | NO TITLE | Oct 28 06:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Oil in Antarctica https://t.co/iFe5E0nyvT | Oct 28 06:14 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3216629 | Oct 28 06:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: popped... | Oct 28 06:22 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Don't you hate it when that happens?" | Oct 28 06:22 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394770967605809152 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394771729182359552 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394772099346485248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394773092809326592 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394774033239392256 | Oct 28 06:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Off work today and tomorrow, should have time to carry on with #techrights redesign and also some new articles. #privacy #techrights | Oct 28 06:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Given the news from Spain and Belgium it seems like Kroes is pursuing the lesser issues with telecoms in #europe http://t.co/woEkEuhDeH | Oct 28 06:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> ec.europa.eu | EU leaders agree to create a connected continent - European Commission | Oct 28 06:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Two Projects We Love http://t.co/uLo8Q5J4Bz #OLPC compared to #raspberryPi | Oct 28 06:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.montanalinux.org | Two Projects We Love | MontanaLinux.org | Oct 28 06:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Monaco: What's Yours Is Mine is coming to Linux with new content http://t.co/ABlnmpRXEv #gnu #linux #games | Oct 28 06:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> tech2.in.com | Monaco: What's Yours Is Mine is coming to Linux with new content | Oct 28 06:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Debian 6.0.8 Officially Released http://t.co/CHvM4VaN5x #debian #gnu #linux | Oct 28 06:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | Debian 6.0.8 Officially Released | Oct 28 06:49 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394774385443483648 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394774728260743169 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394775097921507328 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394775424737480704 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394775605419716608 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394776417080442880 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394777113112612866 https://twitter.com/ | Oct 28 06:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Ubuntu almost a decade old http://t.co/pFOoMxwSIT another LTS in the making http://t.co/8PspiUwhCx | Oct 28 06:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | Happy Birthday, Ubuntu 4.10 Warty Warthog | Oct 28 06:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Opens For Development | OMG! Ubuntu! | Oct 28 06:50 |
| schestowitz_bed | schestowitz/status/394777482584674304 | Oct 28 06:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: US Navy’s most advanced warship is powered by Linux and Intel http://t.co/HO2AAB8rSu leaving Windows? http://t.co/8W3VSqYsS6 | Oct 28 06:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.geek.com | US Navy’s most advanced warship is powered by Linux and Intel | Chips | Geek.com | Oct 28 06:50 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394777482584674304 | Oct 28 06:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | The US Navy Moves to GNU/Linux | Techrights | Oct 28 06:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: PCLinuxOS #KDE #MiniMe and #LXDE 2013.10 Review http://t.co/xCOKz4GKsk #gnu #linux | Oct 28 06:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> unsolicitedbutoffered.blogspot.co.uk | Unsolicited but Offered: PCLinuxOS KDE MiniMe and LXDE 2013.10 Review Part 1 | Oct 28 06:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Chromebooks and Chromium OS Experience http://t.co/VhQaTNKwNq #gnu #linux | Oct 28 06:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.terminally-incoherent.com | Chromebooks and Chromium OS Experience | Terminally Incoherent | Oct 28 06:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Citrix's Mark Hinkle: Linux Can Change the World Beyond Technology http://t.co/40t89MgDcY #linux | Oct 28 06:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.linux.com | Citrix's Mark Hinkle: Linux Can Change the World Beyond Technology | Linux.com | Oct 28 06:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Richard Stallman on Policy-Setting in the United States http://t.co/TrtUfk6E73 #us #lobbying #policy | Oct 28 06:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Richard Stallman on Policy-Setting in the United States | Oct 28 06:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Taiwanese soldiers wearing ballistic masks look like 'the cavalry from hell' http://t.co/WiaJBu9MMx #taiwan #rpc #china #police #army | Oct 28 06:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.scmp.com | Taiwanese soldiers wearing ballistic masks look like 'the cavalry from hell' | South China Morning Post | Oct 28 06:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | twitter.com | Twitter | Oct 28 06:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Bytes Media put a bid in for Tux Machines (to help save the site from becoming another The H/Groklaw). Outcome to be known today. | Oct 28 06:50 |
| iophk | schestowtiz_bed: if you get Tux Machines, how would you manage an extra site? | Oct 28 07:21 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/nn81/status/394781774272020480 | Oct 28 07:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @nn81: @schestowitz I've wrote about an ZDnet article looking more like marketing than serious review. Comments deleted when stating the obvious :( | Oct 28 07:22 |
| schestowitz_bed | ZDNet is corrupt 'news' . I exposed their tactics over the years http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/ZDNet | Oct 28 07:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | ZDNet - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/d50sx ] | Oct 28 07:22 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/wood5y/status/394784579879333888 | Oct 28 07:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @wood5y: @schestowitz I never realised Abiword could handle epub. Thanks for posting the link. | Oct 28 07:23 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394779198252126209 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394779402594451457 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394779719893516288 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394780363819843584 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394780639645696000 | Oct 28 07:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Why system76 always ships the newest ubuntu http://t.co/gp5OsuUNmt | Oct 28 07:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> jderose.blogspot.co.uk | measurably superior: Why System76 always ships the newest Ubuntu release | Oct 28 07:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Windows 8.1, Linux, Android, and "The Next Big Thing"™ http://t.co/avYOJ0RP6s #android #linux #vista8 #microsoft | Oct 28 07:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> devmaster.net | [OT] Windows 8.1, Linux, Android, and "The Next Big Thing"™ | DevMaster | Oct 28 07:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "My standard desktop account was replaced and I’m now logged in using my online Microsoft account. Seriously?" http://t.co/avYOJ0RP6s #nsa | Oct 28 07:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Dark Matter brings survival horror to PC, Mac and Linux http://t.co/CWd8P2SDjm #games #gnu #linux | Oct 28 07:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.polygon.com | Dark Matter brings survival horror to PC, Mac and Linux | Polygon | Oct 28 07:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Just noticed lack of criticism in #zdnet comments and thought I'd point out that in ZDNet comments they don't like get deleted. #censorship | Oct 28 07:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394780805337448448 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394781598702632960 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394782859560767488 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394783037885808640 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394783382946988032 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394783608902516736 | Oct 28 07:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Open hardware and why it is revolutionary http://t.co/gvbZod4pJU #openhardware #hardware #hacking #sharing | Oct 28 07:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.technicianonline.com | Open hardware and why it is revolutionary - Technician: Columns | Oct 28 07:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Create custom Linux-based systems regardless of the hardware http://t.co/gEc6kDLcHL #gnu #linux | Oct 28 07:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> opensource.com | Interview with Jeff Osier-Mixon, community manager of The Yocto Project for Intel | opensource.com | Oct 28 07:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "GRUB2 Editor, a KDE Control Module for configuring the GRUB2 bootloader, is now at version 0.6.4." http://t.co/1ABomJQt7r #kde | Oct 28 07:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | GRUB2 Editor 0.6.4 Is the Perfect Tool for Your GRUB Needs | Oct 28 07:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Special laptop keys with Linux http://t.co/u4Gzx7XGJr #gnu #linux | Oct 28 07:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> mybroadband.co.za | Special laptop keys with Linux | Oct 28 07:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Open Source Pundits Sound Off on #Surveillance http://t.co/OvOB2MhVMy #nsa versus freedom and sharing | Oct 28 07:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> ostatic.com | Open Source Pundits Sound Off on Surveillance | Oct 28 07:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: AbiWord: The little word processor that could http://t.co/ovGsJdxFdi useful for many simple tasks; fast and easy, unlike Word | Oct 28 07:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.examiner.com | AbiWord: The little word processor that could - Bangor free software | Examiner.com | Oct 28 07:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394783892697530368 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394784010645557248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394784320537501696 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394784808393781248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394785554518511616 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394786021193551872 | Oct 28 07:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 'It was a huge risk': How the end of XP support helped France's gendarmes embrace Ubuntu – fast http://t.co/SNBy6FWm9h #france #gnu | Oct 28 07:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.zdnet.com | 'It was a huge risk': How the end of XP support helped France's gendarmes embrace Ubuntu – fast | ZDNet | Oct 28 07:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Red Hat CEO Whitehurst talks about 'Team Jim' http://t.co/pM6QkOBsBZ #redhat #gnu #linux | Oct 28 07:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.bizjournals.com | Red Hat CEO Whitehurst talks about 'Team Jim' - Triangle Business Journal | Oct 28 07:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: SteamOS to have NVIDIA developer tools from day one http://t.co/QkjuXx4fqd #nvidia hurts #linux in other ways | Oct 28 07:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.slashgear.com | SteamOS to have NVIDIA developer tools from day one - SlashGear | Oct 28 07:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The Linux Setup - Tynan, SETT Developer http://t.co/R9ljCazTpB #gnu #linux #sett | Oct 28 07:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.mylinuxrig.com | The Linux Setup - Tynan, SETT Developer - My Linux Rig | Oct 28 07:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Guess who thinks "Google Should Buy Twitter Before The IPO" http://t.co/dUAcJrPrCZ I hope now... #surveillance #gplus | Oct 28 07:28 |
| schestowitz_bed | iophk: not sure yet | Oct 28 07:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> uncrunched.com | Google Should Buy Twitter Before The IPO | Uncrunched | Oct 28 07:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: New Annie Machon's RT interview about new #EU data protection measures http://t.co/rqRBu4Oetp and spy oversight http://t.co/Tnm56fc89n | Oct 28 07:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> anniemachon.ch | RT interview about new EU data protection measures - Using Our Intelligence | Oct 28 07:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> anniemachon.ch | RT interview on spy oversight - Using Our Intelligence | Oct 28 07:28 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/nn81/status/394787636294221825 | Oct 28 07:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @nn81: @schestowitz Happy to see more people complaining about this. Thanks for the wiki reference, will contribute with a new entry there. | Oct 28 07:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | the wiki got spammed a lot (bots), so if you have something to add, tweet/mail me | Oct 28 07:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220319 | Oct 28 07:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Dark Matter brings survival horror to PC, Mac and Linux http://www.polygon.com/2013/10/18/4851624/dark-matter-brings-survival-horror-to-pc-mac-and-linux #games #gnu #linux | Oct 28 07:51 |
| schestowitz_bed | "This game reminds me the old video game called "Abuse" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse%28videogame%29; http://abuse.zoy.org/wiki/screenshots " | Oct 28 07:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ( status 404 @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse%28videogame%29 ) | Oct 28 07:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | abuse.zoy.org | screenshots – Abuse | Oct 28 07:51 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/24668428 | Oct 28 07:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Ex-NSA chief Hayden's off-record interview reaches Twitter | Oct 28 07:58 |
| schestowitz_bed | \seems like PR | Oct 28 07:58 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394788669997191168 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394790148187373568 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394794231661068288 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394794475182370816 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394795628490141696 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394796114639323136 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394796480420409344 | Oct 28 08:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Dick Cheney cancels Toronto trip, says Canada is too dangerous http://t.co/82T4stio3I #warcrime #cheney #bush #kissinger | Oct 28 08:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.nationalpost.com | Dick Cheney cancels Toronto trip, says Canada is too dangerous | National Post | Oct 28 08:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Monday morning https://t.co/2idItIhOWx | Oct 28 08:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Ubuntu Linux Gaming Performance Mostly On Par With Windows 8.1 http://t.co/843Ibd2MUE despite GPU makers playing rogue | Oct 28 08:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Ubuntu Linux Gaming Performance Mostly On Par With Windows 8.1 | Oct 28 08:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 5 crazy things you never knew you could do on Android http://t.co/qLHiZ6bm9Y #android #linux | Oct 28 08:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.digitaltrends.com | 5 Crazy Things You Can Hack Your Android to Do (Like Run Mac OS) | Digital Trends | Oct 28 08:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "United States may have tapped the phone of German Chancellor Angela Merkel" http://t.co/5Q7rUiwa5m | Oct 28 08:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> uk.reuters.com | Protesters march in Washington against NSA spying | Reuters | Oct 28 08:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "The latest spy revelations are threatening to derail a multibillion-pound 'trade' deal..." http://t.co/TEt5UjWeup good for us | Oct 28 08:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.sky.com | NSA Spying: Germany Demands Talks With US | Oct 28 08:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The #NSA has been creating maps of American citizens' contacts, social networks, etc. http://t.co/G5GELBXUrr #stasi like | Oct 28 08:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.sky.com | NSA Maps Out Americans' Social Connections | Oct 28 08:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394797340324016129 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394797451372429312 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394798636108107776 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394799376331472896 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394799870915399680 | Oct 28 08:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Brazilian President tweets about new national email, continues anti-NSA rhetoric http://t.co/HUs0nGPmaR no #privacy in password-passing | Oct 28 08:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.wired.co.uk | Brazilian President tweets about new national email, continues anti-NSA rhetoric (Wired UK) | Oct 28 08:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: NSA tactics no better than a CYBERCRIME GANG, says infosec'er http://t.co/0usc0RC6Ji but government-backed one | Oct 28 08:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theregister.co.uk | NSA tactics no better than a CYBERCRIME GANG, says infosec'er • The Register | Oct 28 08:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: California doesn't endorse domestic gitmo for US citizens http://t.co/w7gyFucZlN http://t.co/4h4GiNhWB2 http://t.co/0VIVTIRKfr | Oct 28 08:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> rt.com | California governor signs law defying cooperation with NDAA indefinite detention — RT USA | Oct 28 08:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.antiwar.com | California Governor Signs Ban on NDAA Detentions -- News from Antiwar.com | Oct 28 08:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.huffingtonpost.com | Jerry Brown Signs California Ban On Indefinite Detentions | Oct 28 08:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Activists announce call campaign to repeal NDAA with truckers http://t.co/EyL3R8Pj0y http://t.co/NFpZQoNuMJ #ndaa | Oct 28 08:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.digitaljournal.com | Activists announce call campaign to repeal NDAA with truckers (Includes interview) | Oct 28 08:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.digitaljournal.com | Trucker convoy demands arrest of congressmen who disobeyed oath | Oct 28 08:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Albany Common Council still sane http://t.co/pMhv1qqZxT vs. "indefinite military detention of its citizens without charge or trial" | Oct 28 08:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.dailygazette.com | "Albany Common Council upholds U.S. Constitution!" by Waging Peace | Oct 28 08:19 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://www.democracynow.org/2013/10/11/headlines | Oct 28 08:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.democracynow.org | Headlines for October 11, 2013 | Democracy Now! [ http://ur1.ca/fy85h ] | Oct 28 08:36 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394801527875174400 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394802886003404800 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394803372576219136 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394803684909281281 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394804664212131841 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394805580021653504 | Oct 28 08:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Children with air rifles: not a good idea http://t.co/XxVNYbNkLl | Oct 28 08:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.policestateusa.com | 13-year-old shot to death by police for open-carrying a toy rifle | Police State USA | Oct 28 08:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: CIA: we don't always support terrorists. When we do, they're 'moderate' http://t.co/IwyNs7deQe http://t.co/593AIGqEb7 | Oct 28 08:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> articles.washingtonpost.com | CIA ramping up covert training program for moderate Syrian rebels - Washington Post | Oct 28 08:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theblaze.com | Report: CIA Ramping Up Covert Training Program for Syrian Rebels | TheBlaze.com | Oct 28 08:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 'Moderates' http://t.co/cxMBBZcCEq Like Osama Bin Laden https://t.co/Cwi5DesRFK | Oct 28 08:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.mcclatchydc.com | Top U.S. intelligence officials confirm al Qaida role in Syria | World | McClatchy DC | Oct 28 08:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> en.wikipedia.org | Mujahideen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Oct 28 08:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: CIA Supplying Weapons To Syrian Rebel Groups Legally Classified As Terrorists By The U.S. http://t.co/nqVoQat7rz #cia | Oct 28 08:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.opposingviews.com | CIA Supplying Weapons To Syrian Rebel Groups Legally Classified As Terrorists By The U.S. | Oct 28 08:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "CIA Director David Petraeus laid out a plan to secretly arm and train groups of Syrian rebels in Jordan." http://t.co/6P18jRPUY1 #us #coup | Oct 28 08:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> nymag.com | Report Details Obama’s Foot-Dragging on Syria -- Daily Intelligencer | Oct 28 08:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: While #billgates et al. promote 'micro' lending we realise that it's not what PR claims it to be http://t.co/XDYsQLzACu | Oct 28 08:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - The Bangladesh poor selling organs to pay debts | Oct 28 08:43 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/Erkan_Yilmaz/status/394819670902968320 | Oct 28 09:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Erkan_Yilmaz: @schestowitz #identi.ca's 5-year historical dents (only 23k users though) are supposed to land on @internetarchive,ask @evanpro when exactly | Oct 28 09:36 |
| schestowitz_bed | That would be a good thing. Since Evan does not respond to my mails, I'd wait till he contacts me. | Oct 28 09:36 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/Erkan_Yilmaz/status/394820189994233856 | Oct 28 09:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Erkan_Yilmaz: @schestowitz probably it's more than those 23k (the 23k are the users being migrated to #pump.io) cc @internetarchive @evanpro | Oct 28 09:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220266 | Oct 28 09:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ubuntu almost a decade old http://news.softpedia.com/news/Happy-Birthday-Ubuntu-4-10-Warty-Warthog-392826.shtml another LTS in the making http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/10/ubuntu-14-04-lts-opens-development | Oct 28 09:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | Happy Birthday, Ubuntu 4.10 Warty Warthog [ http://ur1.ca/fy8du ] | Oct 28 09:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Opens For Development | OMG! Ubuntu! [ http://ur1.ca/fy8dv ] | Oct 28 09:42 |
| schestowitz_bed | "When Canonical gets to Zippy Zebra, they'll run out of alphabet!" | Oct 28 09:42 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220198 | Oct 28 09:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Oil in Antarctica https://diasp.org/uploads/images/scaled_full_3d6aaa992a4c94ab87d6.jpg | Oct 28 09:42 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Soon to be uncovered by global warming." | Oct 28 09:42 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz_bed: any idea how to remaster Mageia? no? | Oct 28 09:48 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz_bed: seems all the programs are old and outdated and comlacted too use and suc | Oct 28 09:48 |
| MinceR | http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3793/10320757155_dc5036e129_b.jpg | Oct 28 10:05 |
| MinceR | > Their indefinite mission: to explore strange new worlds of surveillance, to seek out and monitor all data and all communications, | Oct 28 10:05 |
| MinceR | to boldly go where no police state has gone before | Oct 28 10:05 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220395 | Oct 28 10:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Dick Cheney cancels Toronto trip, says Canada is too dangerous http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03/12/dick-cheney-cancels-toronto-trip-says-canada-is-too-dangerous/ #warcrime #cheney #bush #kissinger | Oct 28 10:10 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Why should he fear arrest?" | Oct 28 10:10 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394820308970262528 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394823540492750848 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394824306167136256 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394824654298562560 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394825555306369024 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394825699103866880 | Oct 28 10:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Internet Archive Will Shield Visitors http://t.co/WG69ASHBUe #internet #privacy | Oct 28 10:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Couldn't resolve host 'http:' ( status 0 @ http:////www-nc.nytimes.com/2013/10/24/internet-archive-will-shield-visitors/?=smid=tw-share&_r=6& ) | Oct 28 10:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Of all people, the folks at Google should be aware of the fact that this policy should be opt-in and not opt-out." http://t.co/AeOzt0XpyU | Oct 28 10:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> fossforce.com | SecureDrop's Free Install, Oracle Spreads FUD & More… - FOSS Force | Oct 28 10:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The phrase "find us on Facebook" become widely used. And then people gave away their geo-location+photos+facerec. Find us indeed.. #privacy | Oct 28 10:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Facebook: when #CCTV was crowdsourced and became "cool", especially among kinds, who also became informants on grandparents in their homes | Oct 28 10:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: GCC 4.9 Will Make Compilers More Exciting In 2014 http://t.co/0DNzDTS08r #gnu #gcc #freedom #assurance #fsf | Oct 28 10:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] GCC 4.9 Will Make Compilers More Exciting In 2014 | Oct 28 10:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Features Coming For The LLVM 3.4 Compiler Stack http://t.co/7v4oYyofl6 imagine a world without free compilers... #privacy #trust | Oct 28 10:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Features Coming For The LLVM 3.4 Compiler Stack | Oct 28 10:12 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394826329067376640 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394826789513859072 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394827208864579584 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394828102972739585 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394828145758855168 | Oct 28 10:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Mark #Shuttleworth first calls those who disgagree "trolls", now "Open Source Tea Party". http://t.co/sS1os1fX9x #sign #ubuntu | Oct 28 10:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> fossforce.com | PHP Attacked, the Shuttleworth Tea Party & More… - FOSS Force | Oct 28 10:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: I don't think that Mark #Shuttleworth even realised what a tactless comment he had decided to make. Does he proofread before posting? | Oct 28 10:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1." https://t.co/339O2LIVFS | Oct 28 10:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> en.wikipedia.org | Godwin's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Oct 28 10:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: I can recall days in 2009 when it became popular among faux FOSS people (pro-Mono, pro-proprietary) to label FSF types "Open Source Taliban" | Oct 28 10:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Qt embedded GUI supports Android and Linux http://t.co/EQjnKn0aeY #android #linux | Oct 28 10:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> linuxgizmos.com | Qt embedded GUI supports Android and Linux · LinuxGizmos.com | Oct 28 10:14 |
| iophk | He's scared of the F-word. It wasn't always so. His letter to Suse/Novell was back in his good days. | Oct 28 10:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I58_kVty_k | Oct 28 10:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Chinese Cup Balance - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fy8kt ] | Oct 28 10:21 |
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| iophk | A nice rebuttal to Wallen over at Ars by Pogson | Oct 28 11:08 |
| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/10/28/the-success-of-gnulinux/ | Oct 28 11:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | The success of GNU/Linux | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/fy8py ] | Oct 28 11:08 |
| iophk | old - http://www.ajr.org/article.asp?id=3612 | Oct 28 11:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.ajr.org | And That's the Way It Is | American Journalism Review | Oct 28 11:11 |
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| iophk | "an inexpensive way to "give a semblance of public responsibility without bothering with the vast expense of original newsgathering." " | Oct 28 11:12 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: remaster thing uh | Oct 28 11:13 |
| iophk | any response at the forums? | Oct 28 11:13 |
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| sebsebseb | iophk: no not taken to the forums replied to the list to the messages I got | Oct 28 11:13 |
| sebsebseb | so more response there | Oct 28 11:13 |
| sebsebseb | been working on a repy to QA woman taking me longer than it shoud | Oct 28 11:13 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: also I think a onine friend of mine brings up a ogod point | Oct 28 11:14 |
| sebsebseb | with seucirty updats etc | Oct 28 11:14 |
| sebsebseb | coud do a lot of changs | Oct 28 11:14 |
| iophk | are they getting you hooked up with the tools used to make the official CDs? | Oct 28 11:14 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: peope wil blame the distro if it doesn't work | Oct 28 11:14 |
| iophk | Yes, very much so. | Oct 28 11:14 |
| iophk | That's another reason to stay with the stock disc images. | Oct 28 11:14 |
| sebsebseb | if the remaster doesnt' work right | Oct 28 11:14 |
| sebsebseb | they blame the distro | Oct 28 11:14 |
| sebsebseb | and t won't go through the QA poccess etc | Oct 28 11:15 |
| iophk | The distro images get tested thoroughly before release. | Oct 28 11:15 |
| sebsebseb | won't go thrugh a proper testing proccess | Oct 28 11:15 |
| iophk | Yes QA | Oct 28 11:15 |
| sebsebseb | yep indeed | Oct 28 11:15 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I need to get myself out of this one I think | Oct 28 11:15 |
| sebsebseb | for Mageia anyway | Oct 28 11:15 |
| iophk | Can you salvage the event? | Oct 28 11:15 |
| sebsebseb | if they have remasters for Ubuntu, Mint, and Open Suse still well whatever | Oct 28 11:15 |
| sebsebseb | I do | Oct 28 11:15 |
| iophk | Or must you just walk away. | Oct 28 11:15 |
| sebsebseb | what do you mean salvage? | Oct 28 11:16 |
| iophk | Repair | Oct 28 11:16 |
| sebsebseb | sounds like I got a ultimatum on Saturday either I make a remater | Oct 28 11:16 |
| sebsebseb | or Mageia may not be one of the dstros | Oct 28 11:16 |
| iophk | Remasters are a lot of trouble and can go wrong. | Oct 28 11:16 |
| sebsebseb | thing is that guy oesn't really understnad about remasters | Oct 28 11:16 |
| sebsebseb | he hasnn't made himself he doens't know how | Oct 28 11:16 |
| iophk | As per our earlier discussion, there should not be that many distros. | Oct 28 11:16 |
| sebsebseb | he had those other two saying how great they were | Oct 28 11:16 |
| iophk | It confuses people, at least it does for newbies. | Oct 28 11:16 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't care aout the others | Oct 28 11:17 |
| iophk | The choice should come down to which DE they want. | Oct 28 11:17 |
| sebsebseb | I am doing Mageia | Oct 28 11:17 |
| sebsebseb | if they have rematers for Ubuntu/Mint or both maybe | Oct 28 11:17 |
| sebsebseb | and Open Suse hwatever | Oct 28 11:17 |
| iophk | Then go ahead. They can't make you waste time on remasters | Oct 28 11:17 |
| sebsebseb | I tink I shod forward emails I recived and ent | Oct 28 11:17 |
| sebsebseb | to do with this | Oct 28 11:17 |
| iophk | However by adding remasters, they are adding complexity and not presenting the official image. | Oct 28 11:17 |
| sebsebseb | and do a emai about why I won't have for Mageia | Oct 28 11:17 |
| iophk | Also by presenting so many distros, they are muddying the waters. | Oct 28 11:18 |
| iophk | The choice should be for the DE | Oct 28 11:18 |
| sebsebseb | yeah and I am meant to be an offical contributer of this distro | Oct 28 11:18 |
| sebsebseb | even more so a reason to use an offical image then I guess really | Oct 28 11:18 |
| iophk | yes all the more reason to stay with the official image. | Oct 28 11:18 |
| sebsebseb | and I think the QA woman knd of recommended again | Oct 28 11:18 |
| sebsebseb | ok the guy who makes live cd's might make something if I ask | Oct 28 11:18 |
| sebsebseb | ,but it won't have gone through the qa proccess | Oct 28 11:19 |
| iophk | QA is important. | Oct 28 11:19 |
| sebsebseb | they don't understand that | Oct 28 11:19 |
| iophk | All kinds of stupid things come in by accident otherwise. | Oct 28 11:19 |
| sebsebseb | they just seem to thik can pre install some updates and apps | Oct 28 11:19 |
| iophk | Really they can be trouble. | Oct 28 11:19 |
| sebsebseb | and ten if it boots up | Oct 28 11:19 |
| sebsebseb | it works | Oct 28 11:19 |
| sebsebseb | ,but reallly other bugs couod happen etc | Oct 28 11:19 |
| sebsebseb | that aren't in the offical media | Oct 28 11:19 |
| iophk | Having the visitors install one of their own apps is good practice, as I wrote before. | Oct 28 11:19 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Oct 28 11:19 |
| iophk | It helps build experience and confidence in their new system. | Oct 28 11:20 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I guess I got to do emails saying why no I won't remaster Mahiea, beuase... | Oct 28 11:20 |
| sebsebseb | proper emails | Oct 28 11:20 |
| sebsebseb | a proper against rematering Magiea thing | Oct 28 11:20 |
| sebsebseb | and take things from there | Oct 28 11:20 |
| sebsebseb | ,but make it clear that if they want to re master hte other ones stil whatever I don't care | Oct 28 11:20 |
| sebsebseb | I ma doing Mageia | Oct 28 11:20 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: if I get some crap about not having Mageia | Oct 28 11:20 |
| iophk | Yes but they can make the event look bad by adding a lot of fail. | Oct 28 11:20 |
| sebsebseb | I guess I can just say somethin like | Oct 28 11:20 |
| sebsebseb | what do you really want me to leave the organsing group? | Oct 28 11:21 |
| sebsebseb | do ou want to lose another volunteer? | Oct 28 11:21 |
| iophk | careful with ultimatums | Oct 28 11:21 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well I got one | Oct 28 11:21 |
| sebsebseb | on Saturday | Oct 28 11:21 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Oct 28 11:21 |
| iophk | there might be one or two that are trying to drive out people | Oct 28 11:21 |
| sebsebseb | I either make a remaster in a few weeks | Oct 28 11:21 |
| sebsebseb | or | Oct 28 11:21 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia may not be the distro | Oct 28 11:21 |
| iophk | who gave that ultimatum | Oct 28 11:21 |
| sebsebseb | the event coordinater | Oct 28 11:21 |
| iophk | and why the fixation on remaster? | Oct 28 11:21 |
| sebsebseb | who also doens't know how to make re masters by the way | Oct 28 11:21 |
| iophk | I'd shoot down that requirement | Oct 28 11:22 |
| sebsebseb | ,but got peruaded to have them, by this guy who makes for Open Suse | Oct 28 11:22 |
| sebsebseb | and another who has done MINT | Oct 28 11:22 |
| iophk | and go with the official image | Oct 28 11:22 |
| sebsebseb | another guy who joined us propery later | Oct 28 11:22 |
| sebsebseb | thought remaster was nt neeed | Oct 28 11:22 |
| sebsebseb | local repos way too go | Oct 28 11:22 |
| sebsebseb | ,but he made a remater for Ubuntu yesterday | Oct 28 11:22 |
| sebsebseb | also th event co ordiner was like to the local reop's idea, it's all singing and danceing | Oct 28 11:23 |
| sebsebseb | he didn't understand that iether | Oct 28 11:23 |
| sebsebseb | he didn't unerstand why I was suggesting it | Oct 28 11:23 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think I need to realy say no to the remaster for this one | Oct 28 11:24 |
| iophk | If the coordinator lacks the technical knowledge to make the decisions you'll have to bolster your case with data in a way he can understand. | Oct 28 11:24 |
| sebsebseb | push the local repo' idea again etc | Oct 28 11:24 |
| iophk | yes | Oct 28 11:24 |
| iophk | local repo. | Oct 28 11:24 |
| iophk | do you still have the notes from that chat? | Oct 28 11:24 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: bingo he seems to lack certain technial knowledge | Oct 28 11:24 |
| sebsebseb | notes from whichchat? | Oct 28 11:24 |
| iophk | The chat where we talked about which distro to use and the DEs involved. | Oct 28 11:25 |
| sebsebseb | oh our chat? | Oct 28 11:25 |
| iophk | Mageia for 2 DEs and Ubuntu for Unity | Oct 28 11:25 |
| sebsebseb | didn't ealy make nots for that, but will be in log | Oct 28 11:25 |
| sebsebseb | they won't have it like that | Oct 28 11:25 |
| sebsebseb | I think this Open Suse ugy really wants Suse | Oct 28 11:25 |
| iophk | Suse is M$ | Oct 28 11:25 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: may be worth tring to split from the group if really nessarey | Oct 28 11:25 |
| sebsebseb | go with this guy who wanted local repo's as well relaly | Oct 28 11:26 |
| sebsebseb | try and get some of our own vounteers some how | Oct 28 11:26 |
| sebsebseb | or something | Oct 28 11:26 |
| iophk | Maybe organize a separate installfest with other people. | Oct 28 11:26 |
| sebsebseb | yep that's what I am thinking | Oct 28 11:26 |
| sebsebseb | if really nessarey | Oct 28 11:26 |
| iophk | It's better to have people on the same page. | Oct 28 11:26 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe even contact the guy who left us for some reason before | Oct 28 11:26 |
| sebsebseb | find out what really happended there | Oct 28 11:26 |
| iophk | Yes find out. | Oct 28 11:26 |
| sebsebseb | he was getting the emails | Oct 28 11:26 |
| sebsebseb | and was going to come to meeting, but didn't | Oct 28 11:27 |
| sebsebseb | and then he sotped geting the emais | Oct 28 11:27 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah this event co ordineate doens't understan some of this technical stuff enough, so he has one with re masters | Oct 28 11:27 |
| sebsebseb | since another two were saying re masters | Oct 28 11:27 |
| sebsebseb | then this guy who properly joind us later, is like loal repo's | Oct 28 11:28 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yep mght have too split if can't do things my wya | Oct 28 11:28 |
| sebsebseb | way | Oct 28 11:28 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I am baialy being ecommended against the remaster | Oct 28 11:29 |
| sebsebseb | by this QA woman etc | Oct 28 11:29 |
| iophk | her expertise should be acknowledged by the coordinator and used as part of the argument. | Oct 28 11:29 |
| iophk | QA is a lot of work. | Oct 28 11:29 |
| iophk | If you all as a group were doing a single remaster of a single distro, then it might be OK, but again there are better arguments for staying wit hthe official images. | Oct 28 11:30 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah I will show htem the emails etc | Oct 28 11:30 |
| sebsebseb | ,but she's very knowledagable | Oct 28 11:30 |
| iophk | and experienced | Oct 28 11:30 |
| sebsebseb | when it comes to testing, and I am basically being recommended againt re mastering | Oct 28 11:31 |
| sebsebseb | maybe she doesn't say it so directly, but she pretyt muchhas, on IRC, and then in that email | Oct 28 11:31 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I mean what does this email mean to you, when you see only her message and not what I put | Oct 28 11:31 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 28 11:32 | |
| sebsebseb | As long as there is somebody there to support it (ie. you) then who's | Oct 28 11:32 |
| sebsebseb | business is it what distros are available? | Oct 28 11:32 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 28 11:32 | |
| sebsebseb | You were previously going to take the Release and Updates repositories | Oct 28 11:32 |
| sebsebseb | on a usb hdd and install that way. | Oct 28 11:32 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 28 11:32 | |
| sebsebseb | Maybe Thomas (tmb) would be able to build some livedvd's for you if you | Oct 28 11:33 |
| sebsebseb | asked him, but bear in mind that they won't have been properly tested as | Oct 28 11:33 |
| sebsebseb | ISOs (but would probably be alright). | Oct 28 11:33 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 28 11:33 | |
| sebsebseb | okk that's it | Oct 28 11:33 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: what does that mesagemean to you? | Oct 28 11:33 |
| iophk | You could get data about how many bugs they have to squash each time they make a new official ISO | Oct 28 11:34 |
| sebsebseb | oh for the normal ones? | Oct 28 11:34 |
| sebsebseb | yeah a few roundsof internal QA testing | Oct 28 11:34 |
| sebsebseb | and then the mile tone | Oct 28 11:34 |
| sebsebseb | etc | Oct 28 11:34 |
| iophk | yes the normal ones have lots of bugs and lots of rounds of internal QA to get one out the doro | Oct 28 11:34 |
| iophk | door | Oct 28 11:34 |
| sebsebseb | yep that's true | Oct 28 11:35 |
| iophk | "won't have been properly tested" is a big deal, but novices might not see it that way | Oct 28 11:35 |
| sebsebseb | and the remater may introduce bugs as I put earlier | Oct 28 11:35 |
| iophk | How big is the QA team? | Oct 28 11:35 |
| iophk | It's more than 4 people | Oct 28 11:35 |
| sebsebseb | yep more than 4 | Oct 28 11:35 |
| iophk | So the committee is not even large enough to be a QA team | Oct 28 11:35 |
| iophk | for one distro | Oct 28 11:35 |
| iophk | not to mention 3 or 4 | Oct 28 11:35 |
| sebsebseb | huh? | Oct 28 11:35 |
| sebsebseb | the event committe ? | Oct 28 11:35 |
| iophk | yes | Oct 28 11:36 |
| sebsebseb | yeah ony ike five of us | Oct 28 11:36 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah maybe we should split | Oct 28 11:36 |
| iophk | Remasters are only a liability | Oct 28 11:36 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia and Ubuntu | Oct 28 11:36 |
| iophk | yes those two | Oct 28 11:36 |
| sebsebseb | let them bugger around with Mint and Open Suse for there one | Oct 28 11:36 |
| sebsebseb | I don't want those distros really | Oct 28 11:36 |
| iophk | KDE and XFCE on mageia and Unity on Ubuntu | Oct 28 11:36 |
| iophk | besides, in some ways having two installfests might reach more people | Oct 28 11:37 |
| sebsebseb | KDE, and GNOME, and whatever else on Mageia | Oct 28 11:37 |
| iophk | yes, like that | Oct 28 11:37 |
| sebsebseb | Unity for Ubuntu | Oct 28 11:37 |
| iophk | leave the hard choice to be the DE | Oct 28 11:37 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Oct 28 11:37 |
| iophk | beginners won't know or care about the distro, just the UI they see | Oct 28 11:37 |
| sebsebseb | and can set it up with local repo's like that guy wanted | Oct 28 11:37 |
| sebsebseb | that joined us | Oct 28 11:37 |
| iophk | yes bring him in | Oct 28 11:37 |
| sebsebseb | he's sort of my firned I would sya | Oct 28 11:37 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: might beable to get some people down to help from narish LUG's | Oct 28 11:38 |
| sebsebseb | or somethin as well | Oct 28 11:38 |
| sebsebseb | if I contact | Oct 28 11:38 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think like a fork | Oct 28 11:38 |
| sebsebseb | should be done as th last resort | Oct 28 11:38 |
| iophk | yes lay out a plan first on real paper, not details, but an outline | Oct 28 11:38 |
| sebsebseb | a split | Oct 28 11:38 |
| sebsebseb | ,but if cant have things my way may have to split | Oct 28 11:39 |
| iophk | yes | Oct 28 11:39 |
| iophk | but have real paper ready with a real outline | Oct 28 11:39 |
| sebsebseb | a real outline of what? | Oct 28 11:39 |
| iophk | of your plans | Oct 28 11:39 |
| sebsebseb | too split ? or?? | Oct 28 11:39 |
| iophk | no | Oct 28 11:39 |
| iophk | just for how to run it | Oct 28 11:39 |
| iophk | no remasters, mageia x2 + ubuntu x1, local repo, etc | Oct 28 11:40 |
| sebsebseb | oh like we discussed for this one | Oct 28 11:40 |
| iophk | yes | Oct 28 11:40 |
| sebsebseb | as for the venue uhmm | Oct 28 11:40 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Oct 28 11:40 |
| sebsebseb | they got one in the centre for free | Oct 28 11:40 |
| iophk | sadly most people can't visualize from a verbal description | Oct 28 11:40 |
| sebsebseb | ,but not sure if I coul as well | Oct 28 11:40 |
| sebsebseb | if going to split that is | Oct 28 11:40 |
| iophk | that may be a drawback | Oct 28 11:40 |
| sebsebseb | ,but thre's the other venue that is also bigger | Oct 28 11:41 |
| sebsebseb | that is cheap | Oct 28 11:41 |
| sebsebseb | b | Oct 28 11:41 |
| sebsebseb | ,but not as central | Oct 28 11:41 |
| iophk | most people can't visualize from a verbal description but do fine when presented with the same ideas on paper | Oct 28 11:41 |
| sebsebseb | or I pay the £300 and get a venue | Oct 28 11:41 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Oct 28 11:41 |
| iophk | as long as the parking is good, you're ok | Oct 28 11:41 |
| iophk | you want people to be able to bring machines | Oct 28 11:41 |
| sebsebseb | with venu that going for the parking ins't goo at all realy | Oct 28 11:41 |
| sebsebseb | could bring lap tops though | Oct 28 11:42 |
| iophk | if it is to be more than a showcase | Oct 28 11:42 |
| sebsebseb | yep I think might hae to split | Oct 28 11:42 |
| sebsebseb | or try too orsomething | Oct 28 11:42 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: re master isn't the way too go for Mageia | Oct 28 11:42 |
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| sebsebseb | for Mint and Open Suse and Ubuntu it may be ok | Oct 28 11:42 |
| sebsebseb | ,but this distro no oesn't seem like it | Oct 28 11:42 |
| iophk | not really the same complexity issues are there for remastering regardless of distro | Oct 28 11:43 |
| iophk | brb | Oct 28 11:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: the same complexity issues ? | Oct 28 11:43 |
| iophk | ok | Oct 28 12:01 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/evanpro/status/394854625662091264 | Oct 28 12:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @evanpro: @schestowitz I'm pretty sure I have responded to your email. If not, please resend. | Oct 28 12:05 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/evanpro/status/394854736534335488 | Oct 28 12:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @evanpro: @Erkan_Yilmaz @schestowitz @internetarchive also, it's all users. | Oct 28 12:05 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | O'Neill: "Sorry, I was late. I was just finishing up a lovely brunch." | Oct 28 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | Ba'al: "Impudence!" | Oct 28 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | O'Neill: "No. Tuna." | Oct 28 14:31 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 14:37 |
| DaemonFC | O'Neill (to Ba'al): "I've got a better idea. Why don't we just sit back and watch you get your ass kicked. That way, you'll be dead, and we'll be glad!" | Oct 28 14:37 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 28 14:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | I'm standing by my interpretation of what he said about editorial pressure. Bruce had a chance to answer but chose to dismiss me by insult instead. My point here, like it was in your thread, is that the pressure is part of the job and it's symptomatic of the established tech press. It does not matter if he admits to caving or not. His job is inherently unbalanced if his boss wants him to write "outlandish" stories about free | Oct 28 14:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | software. If he does not deliver, he won't have a job. | Oct 28 14:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | You wanted to have a conversation about Byfield, +Aaron Seigo, and posted a real flamer of article of his. I gave you my honest opinion of that article, based in part on painful personal experience with him from years ago. People asked me to explain myself, so I did. If you say I was wasting my time, I was. | Oct 28 14:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 28 14:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | I'm standing by my interpretation of what he said about editorial pressure. Bruce had a chance to answer but chose to dismiss me by insult instead. My point here, like it was in your thread, is that the pressure is part of the job and it's symptomatic of the established tech press. It does not matter if he admits to caving or not. His job is inherently unbalanced if his boss wants him to write "outlandish" stories about free | Oct 28 14:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | software. If he does not deliver, he won't have a job. | Oct 28 14:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | You wanted to have a conversation about Byfield, +Aaron Seigo, and posted a real flamer of article of his. I gave you my honest opinion of that article, based in part on painful personal experience with him from years ago. People asked me to explain myself, so I did. If you say I was wasting my time, I was. | Oct 28 14:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://plus.google.com/113579520393333767984/posts/51fXskTmN6S | Oct 28 14:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | plus.google.com | Will Hill - Google+ - A Quick Defense of Myself and Techrights A week ago, Glen… [ http://ur1.ca/fxykm ] | Oct 28 14:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Well, I think I'm going to accept one of the two $1000 bids received, unless anyone else wants to bid..." | Oct 28 14:44 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/61601 | Oct 28 14:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tuxmachines.org | fair warning - going once.... | tuxmachines.org | Oct 28 14:44 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | Trapped in 1969: | Oct 28 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | SERGENT: Vi sovietski spioni? | Oct 28 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | Daniel: Nyet! | Oct 28 14:45 |
| DaemonFC | O'Neill: Daniel! | Oct 28 14:45 |
| schestowitz_bed | "This year has been great for me in so many ways. I guess I can tell yaw. My second ex-husband started coming around again regularly last Spring and we've ended up back together. I can't believe it, but I'm in love with him again (still). I'm moving back in with him in the next few weeks and we're getting re-married this coming Spring. But I've had some lingering symptoms from my illnesses and I'm tired a lot. " | Oct 28 14:45 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 28 14:46 |
| schestowitz_bed | I can't really self-host my own site out in the boonies where {significant other} lives and I've never been able to hand over control to a hosting company. I have a lot of work to do get moved and the new house all purty and stuff. I still need / want to work for ostatic.com and it's a lot of work being someone's wife (as I recall). | Oct 28 14:46 |
| schestowitz_bed | So, anywho, if I don't get any more bids today, I'll let it go for $1000. | Oct 28 14:46 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 28 14:47 |
| iophk | oh | Oct 28 14:47 |
| iophk | I thought the answer would be today. | Oct 28 14:53 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | about a minute ago · Edited | Oct 28 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | O'Neill: "Have you heard of her?" | Oct 28 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | Daniel: "Hathor was the Egyptian goddess of fertility, inebriety, and music." | Oct 28 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | O'Neill: "Sex, drugs, and rock and roll?" | Oct 28 14:55 |
| DaemonFC | Daniel: "In a manner of speaking." | Oct 28 14:55 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394830685531570177 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394831578972839936 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394839206750871552 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394841708971950080 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394843153037271040 | Oct 28 15:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Police checkpoint in #Sacramento http://t.co/cCioKoec60 Photo from AP went viral | Oct 28 15:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Stars of Beijing's Circus - Bowls Unicycle act - The world greatest Cabaret http://t.co/srgDwXp5gz disturbingly difficult | Oct 28 15:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | Stars of Beijing's Circus - Bowls Unicycle act - The world greatest Cabaret - YouTube | Oct 28 15:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: GNOME Desktop 3.10 Continues to Bring Great GTK-based Applications to All GNU/Linux Users http://t.co/bRIl0vZSnl #gnome #gnu #kde | Oct 28 15:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | GNOME Desktop 3.10 Continues to Bring Great GTK-based Applications to All GNU/Linux Users | Techrights | Oct 28 15:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: K Desktop Environment/KDE Software Compilation Attracts Funding, New Patrons http://t.co/aYcKmKYnd7 #kde #gnu #linux | Oct 28 15:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | K Desktop Environment/KDE Software Compilation Attracts Funding, New Patrons | Techrights | Oct 28 15:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Late October Links/News About Canonical, Ubuntu, and Derivatives http://t.co/ogMlsdSbQd #ubuntu #canonical #gnu #linux | Oct 28 15:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Late October Links/News About Canonical, Ubuntu, and Derivatives | Techrights | Oct 28 15:03 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394857200327602176 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394849673091235841 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394863944374169600 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394874902651895808 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394883262990282752 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394901866158768128 | Oct 28 15:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: War Machines http://t.co/Wiq5kjjcwQ tying together some recent news about the #cia | Oct 28 15:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | War Machines | Techrights | Oct 28 15:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Black Tuesday 2013 is Tomorrow (Wall Street, New York) http://t.co/zHurs4hrKS #ows #finance | Oct 28 15:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Black Tuesday 2013 is Tomorrow (Wall Street, New York) | Techrights | Oct 28 15:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Internet Censor #Google Claims to be Fighting Internet #Censorship http://t.co/ONOEnLCe26 | Oct 28 15:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Internet Censor Google Claims to be Fighting Internet Censorship | Techrights | Oct 28 15:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The NSA Causes an Atlantic Blunder http://t.co/r6qziQoqGt #nsa #privacy #eu #europe | Oct 28 15:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | The NSA Causes an Atlantic Blunder | Techrights | Oct 28 15:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Political Dissent is ‘Terrorism’ Now http://t.co/nbc5FU7Oto #politics | Oct 28 15:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Political Dissent is ‘Terrorism’ Now | Techrights | Oct 28 15:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Just spent 10 minutes transmitting site password via multiple emails, many letters encoded using clues (names of relatives). Thanks, NSA. | Oct 28 15:05 |
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| schestowitz_bed | mailed to evan@status.net again. I want to self-host this data one way or another. :-) | Oct 28 15:12 |
| schestowitz_bed | identica | Oct 28 15:12 |
| schestowitz_bed | much of the community moved to d* | Oct 28 15:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220555 | Oct 28 15:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | "ajajaj me cagué de la risa XD" | Oct 28 15:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared:  | Oct 28 15:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220187 | Oct 28 15:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Defense One" (pro-war) is trying to say that #drones that lack human intervention/judgment are more 'secure' http://qz.com/133321/the-most-secure-drones-will-be-able-to-kill-without-human-controllers/ | Oct 28 15:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> qz.com | The most secure drones will be able to kill without human controllers – Quartz [ http://ur1.ca/fy8e6 ] | Oct 28 15:13 |
| iophk | When was the official closing of identica? | Oct 28 15:14 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Yup. Otherwise, it's pretty much a robot apocalypse." | Oct 28 15:14 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220578 | Oct 28 15:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: U.S. arming Syrian rebels, but refugees aiding them considered terrorists http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/US_arming_Syrian_rebels_but_refugees_aiding_them_considered_terrorists.html this is the logic used in Latin America, too | Oct 28 15:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.philly.com | U.S. arming Syrian rebels, but refugees aiding them considered terrorists [ http://ur1.ca/fy8el ] | Oct 28 15:14 |
| schestowitz_bed | "so now NATO can attack the congress because they can be building atomic bombs?" | Oct 28 15:14 |
| schestowitz_bed | ohama: migration to pump.io, which many people never bothered with | Oct 28 15:14 |
| schestowitz_bed | iophk: ^ | Oct 28 15:14 |
| iophk | so have most moved to diaspora then? Or just given up on microblogging as a fad. | Oct 28 15:15 |
| schestowitz_bed | fad part | Oct 28 15:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | many moved to Google Plus | Oct 28 15:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | No length limittaions | Oct 28 15:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220521 | Oct 28 15:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Brazilian President tweets about new national email, continues anti-NSA rhetoric http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-10/14/brazil-email-nsa no #privacy in password-passing | Oct 28 15:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.wired.co.uk | Brazilian President tweets about new national email, continues anti-NSA rhetoric (Wired UK) [ http://ur1.ca/fw0ls ] | Oct 28 15:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Also, though the NSA is the most powerful and capable privacy offender, the U.S. is hardly the only country to engage in this activity. France has been notorious for spying on allies for many years and almost all countries do this to some degree or another. I would be shocked if the Brazilian president was truly surprised at these revelations." | Oct 28 15:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | "The development of their own e-mail is good, but I bet you they are still using Windows and other closed-source softwares on their machines, and those mean huge and already known backdoors." | Oct 28 15:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Dilma Rousseff might not be as surprised as her resent offensive against the U.S. might suggest, Azrael. But in politics you have to use the opportune moments. Nobody would have taken her serious before the Snowden revelations. And all South, and Latin American countries have more than good reason to hate the US intelligence organisations. The USA has, through CIA, been king-makers to some of the worst military dictators in the | Oct 28 15:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | world, many of them educated on The Schools of Americas in Georgia, they have murdered, manipulated and generally treated The southern part of the continent as their private slave labour colonies. If Rousseff is mad she has good reason." | Oct 28 15:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | Brazil is not one of their big victims. Brazil has some countries in Europe to hate more... | Oct 28 15:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220889 | Oct 28 15:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Stars of Beijing's Circus - Bowls Unicycle act - The world greatest Cabaret http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeYElDkpDSQ disturbingly difficult | Oct 28 15:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | Stars of Beijing's Circus - Bowls Unicycle act - The world greatest Cabaret - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fy9ms ] | Oct 28 15:19 |
| schestowitz_bed | "how can I share YoutTube Videos on Diaspora ? Anyone willing to help ?" | Oct 28 15:19 |
| schestowitz_bed | "I think pasting the url in the field will simply do :)" | Oct 28 15:19 |
| schestowitz_bed | "naw no here it doesn't do the trick :(" | Oct 28 15:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | URL? | Oct 28 15:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220269 | Oct 28 15:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: US Navy’s most advanced warship is powered by Linux and Intel | Oct 28 15:21 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Leaving Windows? The DoD (and it's various contractors) have been using things like Sun OS, Linux, VMS, etc. for many years. Yes, they use Windows too but I doubt for many (if any) mission critical applications." | Oct 28 15:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.geek.com | US Navy’s most advanced warship is powered by Linux and Intel | Chips | Geek.com [ http://ur1.ca/fy9n3 ] | Oct 28 15:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | The US Navy Moves to GNU/Linux | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fy9n4 ] | Oct 28 15:21 |
| iophk | old -http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/1998/07/13987 | Oct 28 15:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | Sunk by Windows NT [ http://ur1.ca/fy9n7 ] | Oct 28 15:22 |
| iophk | old - http://fcw.com/articles/2008/03/06/navy-to-focus-only-on-open-systems.aspx | Oct 28 15:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fcw.com | Navy to focus only on open systems -- FCW [ http://ur1.ca/fy9n8 ] | Oct 28 15:22 |
| iophk | “The days of proprietary technology must come to an end,” he said. “We will no longer accept systems that couple hardware, software and data.” | Oct 28 15:22 |
| iophk | Easier said than done with the big lobbying budget Bill has. | Oct 28 15:23 |
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| schestowitz_bed | "We should stop going around babbling about how we're the greatest #democracy on earth, when we're not even a democracy. We are a sort of militarised republic. The founding fathers hated two things, one was monarchy and the other was democracy, they gave us a constitution that saw to it we will have neither. I don't know how wise they were." -- #GoreVidal | Oct 28 15:39 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/08/31/snowden-reveals-first-ever-public-disclosure-of-secret-black-budget-programs/ | Oct 28 15:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.collective-evolution.com | Snowden Reveals First Ever Public Disclosure Of Secret Black Budget Programs | Collective-Evolution [ http://ur1.ca/fy9q8 ] | Oct 28 15:48 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | a few seconds ago | Oct 28 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | The possibility of installing trojans on Android, while remote, and something only a moron would do, is the price of the freedom to install anything you want on the computer you own. | Oct 28 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | Apple devices don't have many trojans, but that comes at too high a cost. They will only run software that Apple approves of. With that in mind, you never actually own your iThing, because all software has to be whitelisted by the company that produced the OS. | Oct 28 15:53 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AidBugvVqpw | Oct 28 15:53 |
| DaemonFC | So, iPads are like this kiosk for Apple-approved software. Most of the programs are outdated because the approval process takes many months. That's if you can find the application you want to run in the first place. Apple won't allow any copyleft software into their store, so you won't find VLC. They won't let software that competes with Apple software in their store, so there's no Firefox. | Oct 28 15:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | "Bernanke Threatens The Congress" We will cause an Economic Collapse if you audit the Fed! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fy9qx ] | Oct 28 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | I'll use an Apple product on the day that Satan is ice skating to work. I will use something from Apple over my rotting corpse. | Oct 28 15:54 |
| DaemonFC | If anyone was wondering what I think of Apple, that should be a good disambiguation. | Oct 28 15:54 |
| JimmyCarter | unfortunately macbook air best laptop on market | Oct 28 15:54 |
| JimmyCarter | otoh you only need good laptop for dev (thats my excuse) | Oct 28 15:55 |
| JimmyCarter | what do you use. chromebook? | Oct 28 15:56 |
| JimmyCarter | linux on thinkpad? | Oct 28 15:56 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394907669271941120 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394908655721910273 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394910982260412416 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394913908332711936 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394915318516432896 | Oct 28 16:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Expression https://t.co/l80kPW38tR | Oct 28 16:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: David Cameron makes veiled threat to media over NSA and GCHQ leaks http://t.co/pDuTWTzecy #nsa #gchq #uk | Oct 28 16:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | David Cameron makes veiled threat to media over NSA and GCHQ leaks | World news | theguardian.com | Oct 28 16:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Britain's Cameron says may act against newspapers over spy leaks http://t.co/jTaIDwrR7l #uk #censorship | Oct 28 16:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.reuters.com | Britain's Cameron says may act against newspapers over spy leaks | Reuters | Oct 28 16:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 9 TRILLION Dollars Missing from Federal Reserve,Fed Inspector General Can't Explain https://t.co/TUogJ2iFxz #debt | Oct 28 16:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | 9 TRILLION Dollars Missing from Federal Reserve,Fed Inspector General Can't Explain - YouTube | Oct 28 16:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Alan Grayson: "Which Foreigners Got the Fed's $500,000,000,000?" Bernanke: "I Don't Know." https://t.co/Z3sTqG405a #grayson #economy | Oct 28 16:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | Alan Grayson: "Which Foreigners Got the Fed's $500,000,000,000?" Bernanke: "I Don't Know." - YouTube | Oct 28 16:01 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220521 | Oct 28 16:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Brazilian President tweets about new national email, continues anti-NSA rhetoric http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-10/14/brazil-email-nsa no #privacy in password-passing | Oct 28 16:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.wired.co.uk | Brazilian President tweets about new national email, continues anti-NSA rhetoric (Wired UK) [ http://ur1.ca/fw0ls ] | Oct 28 16:03 |
| schestowitz_bed | "It is true that Brazil before WWII was closely connected to European fascism, and didn't suffer the atrocities from the marine-protected United Fruit Company as Columbia and many of the central American countries did, but after WWII the anti-communism efforts of the US did indeed interfere in Brazil's history ... what about operation Condor?" | Oct 28 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Oct 28 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | Software patents are like any unjust government edict. When a government edict is unjust, it is the duty of citizens to disobey it. If people all stopped obeying unjust edicts, they would cease to exist. | Oct 28 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | What are they going to do? Throw _everyone_ in prison? | Oct 28 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | Before Lawrence v. Texas, I could have been thrown in prison for living my life if I happened to be in the wrong US state. Indiana repealed that particular unjust law in 1977, well before I was born, but if it was still in effect, I would ignore it. | Oct 28 16:07 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394919463449280513 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394922788563480576 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394925548947767296 | Oct 28 16:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Slience" [sic] https://t.co/teRk5w3NCX | Oct 28 16:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Three degrees of separation: breaking down the NSA's 'hops' #surveillance method http://t.co/bmzVvvuGZD speaking truth to power | Oct 28 16:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | Three degrees of separation: breaking down the NSA's 'hops' surveillance method | World news | theguardian.com | Oct 28 16:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Lawyers Advise #Toronto Police Chief to Arrest #Cheney “as a Person Suspected of Authorizing and Abetting Torture” http://t.co/cbS3ZbJj6r | Oct 28 16:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.globalresearch.ca | Lawyers Advise Toronto Police Chief to Arrest Dick Cheney “as a Person Suspected of Authorizing and Abetting Torture” | Global Research | Oct 28 16:36 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3221206 | Oct 28 16:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Internet Censor #Google Claims to be Fighting Internet #Censorship http://techrights.org/2013/10/28/internet-censorship-and-google/ | Oct 28 16:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Internet Censor Google Claims to be Fighting Internet Censorship | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fy9zc ] | Oct 28 16:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | "bipolar!" | Oct 28 16:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3221923 | Oct 28 16:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #ideas #clouds #jumping #diving | Oct 28 16:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by herrjott@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_cace7fb61c11a709be91.jpeg | Oct 28 16:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://173.20.223.180/photoalbum/chron/2013/20131018-haloclouds/slide_07.html | Oct 28 16:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ( status 404 @ http://173.20.223.180/photoalbum/chron/2013/20131018-haloclouds/slide_07.html ) | Oct 28 16:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3222111 | Oct 28 16:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Slience" [sic] https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_90ed287aa0a8568e8539.jpg | Oct 28 16:39 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Slience?... hmmm... have to think about that... maybe I need more slience.." | Oct 28 16:39 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394904528937435136 | Oct 28 16:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: @evanpro @Erkan_Yilmaz @internetarchive mailed to evan@status.net again. I want to self-host this data one way or another. :-) | Oct 28 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | Patience. | Oct 28 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | Water will always win the battle against the dam, given enough time. | Oct 28 16:53 |
| MinceR | 210716 < DaemonFC> What are they going to do? Throw _everyone_ in prison? | Oct 28 16:55 |
| MinceR | isn't that where the USA is going? :> | Oct 28 16:55 |
| MinceR | 205459 < JimmyCarter> unfortunately macbook air best laptop on market | Oct 28 16:55 |
| MinceR | by whose standards? :> | Oct 28 16:55 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/evanpro/status/394930310829191168 | Oct 28 16:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @evanpro: @schestowitz Just checking: didn't I send you a download file previously? | Oct 28 16:55 |
| schestowitz_bed | None that i can recall; maybe some server filtered it? | Oct 28 16:56 |
| schestowitz_bed | Months/weeks before I was offered the option of a download link; never got any email. | Oct 28 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I wouldn't make a very good prisoner. | Oct 28 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | I would refuse to do work for free, even if it meant being thrown in seclusion. | Oct 28 16:57 |
| schestowitz_bed | The thing is, the lack of response is why I stopped posting in identica; I planned to continue beforehand. | Oct 28 16:57 |
| schestowitz_bed | DaemonFC: depends what on | Oct 28 16:57 |
| schestowitz_bed | some jobs are also good causes | Oct 28 16:57 |
| schestowitz_bed | and just pay no salary | Oct 28 16:58 |
| schestowitz_bed | almost any job that pays no salary is a good cause | Oct 28 16:58 |
| schestowitz_bed | like real journalism | Oct 28 16:58 |
| schestowitz_bed | not PR pretending to be *it* | Oct 28 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | A good prisoner will refuse to make it worth his captor's efforts, to the furthest extent possible. | Oct 28 16:58 |
| DaemonFC | These prisons get free labor out of inmates, and that makes it very profitable to keep them imprisoned. | Oct 28 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | They offer time off for good behavior if the prisoner works. So the prisoner works, and the prison finds "infractions" that add to the time he has to serve, and brings him up near his original sentence. | Oct 28 16:59 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394926796015415296 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394927514587770881 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394928319013330945 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394929552436527104 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394930374297800704 | Oct 28 16:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Ars 'Tech'nica says "stealing" data. I guess Ars still doesn't understand the concept of stealing. http://t.co/Od7ZTZ0mVg | Oct 28 16:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | Database hacking spree on US Army, NASA, and others costs gov’t millions | Ars Technica | Oct 28 16:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: This could be the biggest advance in camera design for a decade http://t.co/X4tsjFjUBB #openhardware | Oct 28 16:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.redsharknews.com | RedShark News - This could be the biggest advance in camera design for a decade | Oct 28 16:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Apple can't handle updates http://t.co/olWkslqP0E #apple #shoddy #secondclass | Oct 28 16:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.lessig.org | Wow, or from the When-Apple-Became-the-Borg Department | Lessig | Oct 28 16:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: So #apple not only facilitates #censorship (famously). It is censoring heavily itself http://t.co/ivdUmfpigw #northkorea model | Oct 28 16:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.lessig.org | the slaughter continues — Apple’s latest deleted comment: | Lessig | Oct 28 17:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Internet Needs an Uncompromising "Marco Civil" in Brazil! http://t.co/4Ui3I461Hp "defending free speech and freedoms online" | Oct 28 17:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.laquadrature.net | Internet Needs an Uncompromising "Marco Civil" in Brazil! | La Quadrature du Net | Oct 28 17:00 |
| Sosumi | http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=443899&d=1382993288 | Oct 28 17:08 |
| Sosumi | apple copied the trashcan designe | Oct 28 17:08 |
| Sosumi | and yes that's a fully functional pc inside a moded trashcan turned case | Oct 28 17:09 |
| Sosumi | also, face recognition and m$ kinect like functionality is coming to ps4's eyetoy thing | Oct 28 17:10 |
| Sosumi | so, big brother'll be watching you | Oct 28 17:11 |
| MinceR | http://www.pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/fs12.jpg | Oct 28 17:17 |
| Sosumi | yep, that's the same thing afk | Oct 28 17:18 |
| Sosumi | when you're doing something relevant that changes or tries to mess with the order of things | Oct 28 17:18 |
| Sosumi | just watch everyone standing to go against you | Oct 28 17:19 |
| DaemonFC | An extravagant lifestyle is a lifestyle with no free time and lots of debt for most people. I haven't ever been in debt because I never need anything that badly. | Oct 28 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | You have megacorporations that benefit from high inflation, because it gets people in the mindset that it doesn't matter where all of their money is going as long as they waste all of it as rapidly as possible. | Oct 28 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | Along with this, we get the lie that inflation makes debt cheaper. For that to happen, wages have to rise with inflation, while debt is a static amount. So it's basically a lie to get people to accept a one-two punch. When was the last time you got a 3% raise and used it to pay down all of your zero interest loans? | Oct 28 17:24 |
| DaemonFC | Didn't think so. | Oct 28 17:24 |
| Sosumi | wages have only decreased | Oct 28 17:27 |
| Sosumi | lol | Oct 28 17:27 |
| Sosumi | well, unless you're a bankster or some money junkie from wall street | Oct 28 17:28 |
| Sosumi | or the city | Oct 28 17:28 |
| Sosumi | and I'm not in debt either, I just buy what I need to live | Oct 28 17:30 |
| Sosumi | aside, M$ is forbidding comparisons between the ps4 and the xbone | Oct 28 17:32 |
| Sosumi | xbone the wimpy | Oct 28 17:33 |
| Sosumi | but sony is junk anyways | Oct 28 17:33 |
| DaemonFC | I don't make very much money. | Oct 28 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | A lot of people would probably laugh at the amount of money I have. | Oct 28 17:34 |
| DaemonFC | But I have no debt, and I could last a while with no income. | Oct 28 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | So I'm part of the top 22% by default. | Oct 28 17:35 |
| DaemonFC | It's harder to make more money than it is to spend less of it. | Oct 28 17:35 |
| Sosumi | it's though out there | Oct 28 17:46 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 28 17:46 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | a few seconds ago | Oct 28 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | I do disagree with Freedom Indiana on one thing. Claiming to be "bipartisan" is a mistake. | Oct 28 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | Pretty much 99% of this particular problem problem that we are trying to fight is coming from one major political party that has made itself the pain in the ass of pretty much all Americans, whether they really realize that or not. | Oct 28 18:23 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2013/10/that-time-harrison-ford-flubbed-a-star-wars-line-ate-a-headset.html | Oct 28 22:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.pbs.org | That's no moon, it's a 36-year-late 'Star Wars' blooper reel | PBS NewsHour [ http://ur1.ca/fyb2s ] | Oct 28 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | I still say that Grand Moff Tarkin was a Republican. | Oct 28 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | "You'd prefer another target? Then name the system!" *blows up Alderaan anyway* | Oct 28 22:43 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer shared a link. | Oct 28 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Oct 28 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | From the upcoming Stargate SG-1 video game: | Oct 28 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | O'Neill: "Ra has a daughter? I thought he was batting for the other team?" | Oct 28 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | Reference to Jaye Davidson, who played Ra in the 1994 Stargate movie, who is gay. | Oct 28 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | He might have dressed up like a Pride float, but he made a really good villain. | Oct 28 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeWC6Cc7XVY | Oct 28 22:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Daniel Jackson meets Ra - Greatest stargate scene ever ! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fyb34 ] | Oct 28 22:47 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer shared a link via Ars Technica. | Oct 28 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | 15 minutes ago | Oct 28 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | The area where I have to give Intel credit. They've never had a proprietary graphics driver for GNU/Linux, only a Free (as in Freedom) one. Those proprietary drivers do some really nasty things. For one, they open up lots of backdoors into your system, some of which are probably because of the NSA. The other nasty thing they do is cause problems throughout the entire kernel and userspace. I tracked a bug with Nvidia's proprietary driver that | Oct 28 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | was causing my instant messagine program to work. Also, with Nvidia's proprietary driver loaded, sometimes my keyboard wasn't detected, and I'd have to unplug it and plug it back in. | Oct 28 22:51 |
| DaemonFC | That's why I ended up taking the Nvidia card out and replacing it with a Radeon. | Oct 28 22:51 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/evanpro/status/395005081432510465 https://twitter.com/evanpro/status/395005166987911168 | Oct 28 23:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @evanpro: @schestowitz Understandable. You're an outlier; your huge number of posts on identi.ca kills all my backup scripts. I'll work on it. | Oct 28 23:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @evanpro: @schestowitz Would it help if I got the other few accounts downloaded first? | Oct 28 23:23 |
| schestowitz_bed | that would be great | Oct 28 23:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/61604 | Oct 28 23:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tuxmachines.org | Sold! (tentatively) | tuxmachines.org | Oct 28 23:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 28 23:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | I guess tuxmachines.org has been sold for $1000. I know it's kinda low, but times have changed and the new owner plans to carry on the tuxmachines tradition. | Oct 28 23:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | I suppose that's all I should say for now until the deal is written in stone. | Oct 28 23:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | Thanks everyone for everything: all the visits, all the jokes, comments, and donations. But more on that later as well. | Oct 28 23:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 28 23:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3222042 | Oct 28 23:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Alan Grayson: "Which Foreigners Got the Fed's $500,000,000,000?" Bernanke: "I Don't Know." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0NYBTkE1yQ #grayson #economy | Oct 28 23:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | Alan Grayson: "Which Foreigners Got the Fed's $500,000,000,000?" Bernanke: "I Don't Know." - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fyb82 ] | Oct 28 23:36 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Bernanke gets paid to know nothing year after year." | Oct 28 23:36 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Bernanke gets paid to "know nothing" year after year." | Oct 28 23:36 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3222397 | Oct 28 23:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: action is his reward... | Oct 28 23:37 |
| schestowitz_bed | "That and international fan lol..." | Oct 28 23:37 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3222027 | Oct 28 23:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 9 TRILLION Dollars Missing from Federal Reserve,Fed Inspector General Can't Explain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYNVNhB-m0o #debt | Oct 28 23:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | 9 TRILLION Dollars Missing from Federal Reserve,Fed Inspector General Can't Explain - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fyb86 ] | Oct 28 23:37 |
| schestowitz_bed | "u cant explain dat" | Oct 28 23:37 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3221969 | Oct 28 23:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared:  | Oct 28 23:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3221969No. Edison had more than 10,000 prototypes to create that light bulb. It takes LOTS of realizations and improvements to do something significant. Learn to challenge yourself continually." | Oct 28 23:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared:  | Oct 28 23:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | He hardly invented the bulb, he copied others | Oct 28 23:39 |
| schestowitz_bed | On who really invented bulbs http://www.history.com/news/ask-history/who-really-invented-the-light-bulb | Oct 28 23:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.history.com | Who really invented the light bulb? — Ask HISTORY — History Q&A [ http://ur1.ca/fyb8n ] | Oct 28 23:43 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1378739_1425673547660422_412233286_n.jpg | Oct 28 23:55 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://www.policymic.com/articles/22228/predator-drone-strikes-kill-up-to-50-civilians-for-every-1-terrorist-assassinated-study | Oct 29 00:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.policymic.com | Predator Drone Strikes Kill Up to 50 Civilians For Every 1 Terrorist Assassinated: Study - PolicyMic [ http://ur1.ca/fybcd ] | Oct 29 00:19 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/10/25/ex-nsa-chief-acela-twitter-whoops/ | Oct 29 00:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.forbes.com | Ex-NSA Chief Is Not The First To Have His 'Private' Acela Conversation Tapped (But Is Definitely The Most Ironic) - Forbes [ http://ur1.ca/fybdd ] | Oct 29 00:31 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_972ea8a7ca004d8d44df.png | Oct 29 00:42 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395033163078332416 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395036698608173056 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395037437648723968 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395041404680171520 | Oct 29 01:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Apple’s engineers appear to have... removed many features for no apparent reason" http://t.co/w1C9DMoyhM | Oct 29 01:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.betalogue.com | Betalogue » Pages 5: An unmitigated disaster | Oct 29 01:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The #nsa is high on packets cocaine http://t.co/S2SLpjKkxn #japan #asia | Oct 29 01:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.japantimes.co.jp | NSA asked Japan to tap regionwide fiber-optic cables in 2011 | The Japan Times | Oct 29 01:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Fukushima horse breeder braves high radiation levels to care for animals http://t.co/5gzYyTSuss #japan | Oct 29 01:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | Fukushima horse breeder braves high radiation levels to care for animals | World news | The Guardian | Oct 29 01:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Japan secrecy act stirs fears about press freedom, right to know http://t.co/qONG2XrRQm #japan | Oct 29 01:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.reuters.com | Japan secrecy act stirs fears about press freedom, right to know | Reuters | Oct 29 01:06 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395042595187224576 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395044311160881152 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395045753158381568 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395047126302199808 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395048052182237184 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395051084596916224 | Oct 29 01:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Friends https://t.co/rzt0zdsYZ0 | Oct 29 01:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: A Quake Revives Japan's Nuclear Nightmare http://t.co/g0NQmRcCAc #japan | Oct 29 01:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.bloomberg.com | A Quake Revives Japan's Nuclear Nightmare - Bloomberg | Oct 29 01:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "After sea kayaking after BP's spill happened, I was sitting at my desk and started coughing up loads of blood" http://t.co/HxQTXDyiR2 | Oct 29 01:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.aljazeera.com | BP's 'widespread human health crisis' - Features - Al Jazeera English | Oct 29 01:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Relative freedom https://t.co/yLH37U9r2V | Oct 29 01:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Syria meme http://t.co/vPiPG8cuM4 | Oct 29 01:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Our Invisible Revolution http://t.co/vPhRV7u59c "Ruling elites, once the ideas that justify their existence are dead, resort to force." | Oct 29 01:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.truthdig.com | Chris Hedges: Our Invisible Revolution - Chris Hedges - Truthdig | Oct 29 01:07 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395053782129983488 | Oct 29 01:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: CNN on those 'poor' #drone 'pilots' http://t.co/QDZhOmn99w "The “video game” aspect of his job was reinforced by his trainers, he said." | Oct 29 01:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> amanpour.blogs.cnn.com | Confessions of an American drone warrior – Amanpour - CNN.com Blogs | Oct 29 01:08 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395056594649894912 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395055234260926464 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395053782129983488 | Oct 29 01:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: I feel bad for people who think that DuckDuckGo gives them #privacy while hosted on/by strong #CIA partner #Amazon http://t.co/lkhI997q5v | Oct 29 01:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Apple’s Latest Bogus Claims Give False Sense of Privacy, Paint iMessage as ‘Secure’ | Techrights | Oct 29 01:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Ubuntu’s Mark Shuttleworth wins Austria’s Big Brother Award http://t.co/nKhl68y8Ne local searches sent to strong CIA partner Amazon | Oct 29 01:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.muktware.com | Ubuntu's Mark Shuttleworth wins Austria's Big Brother Award | Muktware | Oct 29 01:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 01:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | The Government wants to teach all children how to code. Here's why it's a stupid idea | Oct 29 01:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | My Telegraph Blogs colleague Jack Rivlin is looking for a developer, and is frustrated because he can’t find one in Shoreditch. Jack is the perfect poster child for why our kids can’t code – he’s a normal person, rather than an exceptionally dull weirdo, like the bulk of developers. | Oct 29 01:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | I'm all for people to learning to code – I wrote a piece arguing we should teach it in prisons earlier this year – but I think we need to be aware of its limitations. Coding is a niche, mechanical skill, a bit like plumbing or car repair. | Oct 29 01:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | As a subject, it only appeals to a limited set of people – the aforementioned dull weirdos. | Oct 29 01:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | ' | Oct 29 01:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/willardfoxton2/100011290/the-government-wants-to-teach-all-children-how-to-code-heres-why-its-a-stupid-idea/ | Oct 29 01:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | blogs.telegraph.co.uk | The Government wants to teach all children how to code. Here's why it's a stupid idea – Telegraph Blogs [ http://ur1.ca/fybi2 ] | Oct 29 01:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 01:22 |
| schestowitz_bed | For the last decade or so, computing lessons have been dreadful. ICT has become one of those pathetic subjects like Religious Education: taught by the runts of the teaching litter and seen as pointless by pupils. | Oct 29 01:22 |
| schestowitz_bed | So, the current curriculum is broken. However, the new curriculum that Jack likes so much wrongly thinks that teaching everyone to code is the answer. The new rules expect five to seven year-olds to understand the definition of an algorithm years before they are due to be taught algebra, as well as being able to "create and debug simple computer programs". Once they've grasped this, seven to 11 year-olds will have to code programs " | Oct 29 01:22 |
| schestowitz_bed | in at least two programming languages". | Oct 29 01:22 |
| schestowitz_bed | ' | Oct 29 01:22 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 01:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | Your friend Jack can't find a developer because ideas are a dime a dozen. | Oct 29 01:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | I get approached weekly by people who have a great idea. They can't | Oct 29 01:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | afford me. Ideas are a dime a dozen. "Charming idea guys" are worthless. | Oct 29 01:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | They are also a thing of the past. There are a few exceptions but already | Oct 29 01:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | in most firms the geeks average pay surpasses the marketing and idea people | Oct 29 01:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | and it's going to get worse. I predict within a few years that the geeks will be | Oct 29 01:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | the ones that both create the ideas and code it. There will still be a need for | Oct 29 01:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | marketers and other jobs geeks don't want to do but they will be the low paid | Oct 29 01:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | people at the companies. I already work in just such a business. I'm the | Oct 29 01:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | highest paid employee and offload all my paperwork and anything else I | Oct 29 01:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | don't want to do to someone else so I can spend my day being creative | Oct 29 01:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | and doing what I enjoy. Tell me how many art or journalism majors can say that? | Oct 29 01:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | Coding is automation and automation is the future. You learn to code or | Oct 29 01:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | you'll soon be out of a job. | Oct 29 01:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 01:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | Well put | Oct 29 01:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 01:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | One of the most common things I can remember some of the dimmest minds in school saying was, "Why do I need to learn this algebra or this calculus stuff? It's not like I'm going to use it in real life." I find it amazing that as an adult, I still can find myself explaining to other adults that the reason they teach algebra and calculus in school is because it trains the mind with mental discipline and critical thinking skills. | Oct 29 01:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | I laugh out loud at some hack journalist thinking that giving students a foundation in coding skills is not worthy of the curriculum while his career is going the way of the dinosaurs. Meanwhile, careers in programming are booming. | Oct 29 01:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | I will celebrate every time the new media of free information sends another busload of hacks like you to the unemployment line. Go ahead and wail against the future, but yours is a dying breed, and the future is in computer programming. | Oct 29 01:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 01:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | "I would almost completely agree with you, except your second sentence already starts to attack programmers. It was the wrong way to approach this article, by immediately calling people names. Especially those who have the expertise in the industry and who may definitely agree with you, if you presented an article that doesn't resort to making you look completely lopsided. I see no point in discussing the true content of your | Oct 29 01:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | article for that fact alone.' | Oct 29 01:26 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Coding is automation and automation is the future. You learn to code or you'll soon be out of a job." -Comment on http://t.co/QgGtiVj03c | Oct 29 01:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> blogs.telegraph.co.uk | The Government wants to teach all children how to code. Here's why it's a stupid idea – Telegraph Blogs | Oct 29 01:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Price of printer ink https://t.co/7FWAE5zheM | Oct 29 01:31 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | David Cameron makes veiled threat to media over NSA and GCHQ leaks | World news | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fybqi ] | Oct 29 02:24 |
| iophk | Doesn't seem that veiled | Oct 29 02:24 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | Techrights | People's rights in the digital age | Plutocracy threatened by freedom, democracy, privacy & civil rights | Oct 29 04:01 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: action is his reward... | Oct 29 04:07 |
| schestowitz_bed | "that guy looks heavy lol" | Oct 29 04:07 |
| Snowleaksange | #1 way to defeat NSA: Linux | Oct 29 04:09 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3224026 | Oct 29 04:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: vampire realization... | Oct 29 04:39 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Here's the whole thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GZ5kCLR4vc If you can speak German it's even funnier. :)" | Oct 29 04:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Der Magische Spiegel - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fycfn ] | Oct 29 04:39 |
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| DaemonFC | Amazon changed their free super saver shipping. | Oct 29 04:56 |
| DaemonFC | Now you have to spend $35. | Oct 29 04:56 |
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| schestowitz_bed | http://fossforce.com/2013/10/using-foss-windows-centric-environment/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=using-foss-windows-centric-environment | Oct 29 05:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fossforce.com | Using FOSS in a Windows-Centric Corporate Environment - FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/fycms ] | Oct 29 05:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 05:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | FileZilla running on Windows | Oct 29 05:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | FileZilla, a free and open source FTP client that can run on Windows, Mac OS X and GNU/Linux. | Oct 29 05:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | You have probably installed Linux on your work laptop and impress your colleagues with the style and performance of your operating systems. You promote Linux! Lucky you! I am envious! | Oct 29 05:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 05:18 |
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| iophk | FileZilla -> SFTP client | Oct 29 05:24 |
| iophk | why are people still talking about FTP in 2013? | Oct 29 05:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | old habits | Oct 29 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | for some reason I've had "All Along The Watchtower" stuck in my head all day. | Oct 29 05:30 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's obvious that I'm a cylon. | Oct 29 05:30 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395116766118309888 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395120741039239168 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395121379911430144 | Oct 29 05:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: PC-BSD 9.2: The daemon is in the details http://t.co/vYVrA1OyVD #pcbsd #bsd #unic | Oct 29 05:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Oct 29 05:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Reversal https://t.co/Ra9RSIVCMZ | Oct 29 05:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Uncle Sam http://t.co/303q2wZz6R | Oct 29 05:36 |
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| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/reflections-on-the-long-fight-against-the-copyright-monopoly-and-what-you-can-do-131027/ | Oct 29 07:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Reflections On The Long Fight Against The Copyright Monopoly – And What You Can Do | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/fyd3v ] | Oct 29 07:13 |
| iophk | http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/operating-systems-want-be-free-229529 | Oct 29 07:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | Operating systems want to be free | Data Center - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fyd4i ] | Oct 29 07:22 |
| iophk | "selling" software may vanish | Oct 29 07:23 |
| iophk | software is just a means to an end | Oct 29 07:43 |
| iophk | Maybe similar to Collusion: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24477-firefox-plugin-reveals-who-is-tracking-your-surfing.html | Oct 29 07:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Couldn't resolve host 'www.newscientist.com' ( status 0 @ http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24477-firefox-plugin-reveals-who-is-tracking-your-surfing.html ) | Oct 29 07:52 |
| iophk | http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22029401.700-has-the-time-come-to-abandon-online-anonymity.html | Oct 29 07:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.newscientist.com | Has the time come to abandon online anonymity? - opinion - 25 October 2013 - New Scientist [ http://ur1.ca/fydbd ] | Oct 29 07:54 |
| MinceR | No. | Oct 29 07:54 |
| MinceR | Next question. | Oct 29 07:55 |
| iophk | Agreed. | Oct 29 07:55 |
| iophk | However, it is important to note what message is getting a voice in the non-tech sector. | Oct 29 07:55 |
| iophk | They had another similar article paywalled | Oct 29 07:59 |
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| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/torrent-site-admin-who-turned-pigsty-into-datacenter-jailed-for-a-year-131027/ | Oct 29 10:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Torrent Site Admin Who Turned Pigsty into Datacenter Jailed for a Year | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/fye1e ] | Oct 29 10:20 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: hopefuly thi guy can make a remater :) | Oct 29 10:20 |
| iophk | the pigsty guy? | Oct 29 10:20 |
| sebsebseb | uh? | Oct 29 10:20 |
| iophk | "Torrent Site Admin Who Turned Pigsty into Datacenter Jailed for a Year" | Oct 29 10:21 |
| iophk | Did you get any useful advice from the forums? | Oct 29 10:21 |
| iophk | What about from the makers of Mageia's official images? | Oct 29 10:21 |
| iophk | I'd still say that it would be unproductive and maybe even trouble to try to push remasters on people. | Oct 29 10:24 |
| iophk | As mentioned, the QA that has gone into the official images is worth a lot and not easily duplicated. | Oct 29 10:25 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yep indeed too the QA stuff | Oct 29 10:26 |
| sebsebseb | ,but really all the remaster is meant to do is add in updates and some pre installed apps | Oct 29 10:26 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think I should take offical ISO's with me to the event as well :D | Oct 29 10:26 |
| sebsebseb | even if htey don't for other distros | Oct 29 10:26 |
| sebsebseb | so that if problems with the re masters for this one wel | Oct 29 10:27 |
| iophk | Yes, but if you do that during the installation process, they visitors *learn* how to do it themselves. | Oct 29 10:27 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well as I put before | Oct 29 10:27 |
| sebsebseb | they want to give out loads of remasterd USB's of distros | Oct 29 10:27 |
| iophk | Learning to install apps and to do a proper update is important | Oct 29 10:27 |
| sebsebseb | and only do some installs if there is time | Oct 29 10:27 |
| sebsebseb | event is ony six hours | Oct 29 10:27 |
| iophk | USBs will get wiped and formatted with FAT32 as soon as they leave the room. | Oct 29 10:27 |
| iophk | Waste of money | Oct 29 10:27 |
| sebsebseb | maybe so | Oct 29 10:28 |
| sebsebseb | ,but they want these reasters so | Oct 29 10:28 |
| sebsebseb | remaster is ok for testing stuff out | Oct 29 10:28 |
| sebsebseb | ,but some of them want the installs done frm it to | Oct 29 10:28 |
| iophk | Yes ok for testing but not for installfests | Oct 29 10:28 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well it's not really a installfest now | Oct 29 10:28 |
| sebsebseb | it's ell | Oct 29 10:28 |
| sebsebseb | Linux Live 2014 | Oct 29 10:28 |
| sebsebseb | or whatever it's going to be called | Oct 29 10:28 |
| iophk | A demo | Oct 29 10:29 |
| sebsebseb | it's about giving Live remasters out, and doing a few installs if time | Oct 29 10:29 |
| iophk | then they should definintely not give out remasters | Oct 29 10:29 |
| sebsebseb | if hardy any people got time for a few installs | Oct 29 10:29 |
| sebsebseb | that's the idea now | Oct 29 10:29 |
| sebsebseb | even tiself is only six hours | Oct 29 10:29 |
| sebsebseb | event | Oct 29 10:29 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well they think it's a good idea to gie out a remstred USB stick, with pre installed programs that they may want instaled | Oct 29 10:29 |
| sebsebseb | that isn't by default | Oct 29 10:29 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: main thing is I need to make a remaster | Oct 29 10:30 |
| iophk | Six hours is probably enough for up to 8 installs per staff member, if an install is three quarters of an hour | Oct 29 10:30 |
| sebsebseb | and well we havne't 100% decided all the technial stuff just yet | Oct 29 10:30 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well can take over 20 minutes for an install | Oct 29 10:30 |
| iophk | What kind of help have you gotten from the forum, what about from the Mageia team? | Oct 29 10:30 |
| iophk | I'd say 45 min for an install | Oct 29 10:30 |
| sebsebseb | and there's ony like six of us so far | Oct 29 10:30 |
| sebsebseb | and might have quite a few people | Oct 29 10:31 |
| iophk | there's a lot of talking and you havce to also show how to update and how to install a package | Oct 29 10:31 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah and talking is part of it | Oct 29 10:31 |
| sebsebseb | hence why installs are now ony if there is time | Oct 29 10:31 |
| sebsebseb | otherwise it's about showing stuff on demoontration computers, and giving out remasters | Oct 29 10:31 |
| sebsebseb | maybe some ofifical cd's etc to | Oct 29 10:31 |
| sebsebseb | I don't think we should rely only on these remasters for all of it | Oct 29 10:32 |
| sebsebseb | I think it's good to have offica media there too, but now two of them seem too think that it isn't nesassrey to have offical | Oct 29 10:32 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think let them mess things up for Ubuntu, Mint, and Open Suse, if things are going that way | Oct 29 10:32 |
| sebsebseb | ,but regardless o what they say | Oct 29 10:32 |
| sebsebseb | I will make sure I got officl Mageia media with me as well | Oct 29 10:32 |
| sebsebseb | to gie out, or use for installs posssibly | Oct 29 10:33 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't care about Ubuntu, Mint, and Open Suse for this | Oct 29 10:33 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I am doing this, becuse I want Magiea out there more | Oct 29 10:33 |
| sebsebseb | basically or mainly | Oct 29 10:33 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: as for what help I got, well someone is going to try and make one again | Oct 29 10:34 |
| sebsebseb | one of the packagers | Oct 29 10:34 |
| sebsebseb | and another packager sent me emails aobut how to possbilly do it | Oct 29 10:34 |
| sebsebseb | in general the response hasn't been that good at all from people though | Oct 29 10:34 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: QA woman basicaly recommending against, and someone else frm the board, being like why have a remaster? why woud they require htat | Oct 29 10:35 |
| sebsebseb | why not just say you can't do it | Oct 29 10:35 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I feel like I am relying on only one person at the moment, this guy who made with some isobuilder beore | Oct 29 10:35 |
| sebsebseb | he said he would try again tonight, and documentate it and such on the wiki | Oct 29 10:36 |
| iophk | The more I think, the worse a remaster sounds | Oct 29 10:36 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they are asoutlly stuck on the remaster idea some of those people | Oct 29 10:37 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think best idea i to have remasters if they want them so badly, but also offical edia | Oct 29 10:37 |
| sebsebseb | make it clear to the person at the event hte differnece | Oct 29 10:38 |
| iophk | Yes, I would only give out the official discs | Oct 29 10:38 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: why not give out remaster, and officl media | Oct 29 10:38 |
| sebsebseb | well some of them think it's absoutly fine to do installs from the remaster as well | Oct 29 10:38 |
| sebsebseb | whole idea is to give out the remaster, since it has stuff pre instaled | Oct 29 10:38 |
| sebsebseb | pre installed stuff that Joe and Jane average may want pre installed that woudn't be by default | Oct 29 10:38 |
| sebsebseb | they think by giving out remsters it's keeping things, keep it simple stupid | Oct 29 10:39 |
| iophk | from a learning perspective, it is *much* better to have them do an update themselves | Oct 29 10:39 |
| iophk | the same for adding an app or two | Oct 29 10:39 |
| sebsebseb | I agree with that | Oct 29 10:39 |
| sebsebseb | from a learning perspective it's better for them to do an install | Oct 29 10:39 |
| sebsebseb | and get additonal stuff them selves | Oct 29 10:39 |
| sebsebseb | ,but now this isn't really a installfest anymore as well as I wasying | Oct 29 10:39 |
| sebsebseb | it's a live/demonstraiton fest, the remaster being a demo as well | Oct 29 10:40 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think the main thing is that the person understands what htey are biging given | Oct 29 10:40 |
| sebsebseb | this is bsed on the offial, but has some changes... | Oct 29 10:40 |
| iophk | sounds like it will overwhelm them, I think | Oct 29 10:40 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they want Skype and such pre installed it seems | Oct 29 10:41 |
| sebsebseb | a selection of default apps | Oct 29 10:41 |
| iophk | Skype is just plain nasty and has no place at a FOSS event | Oct 29 10:41 |
| sebsebseb | default additional apps and have the same ones in all of them | Oct 29 10:41 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: wel someone suggestd Jitsi as the alterntive | Oct 29 10:41 |
| sebsebseb | ,but Skype might end up being in depends | Oct 29 10:42 |
| iophk | You can't have it pre-installed on the disc because there's no telling how the sound system will or won't work | Oct 29 10:42 |
| iophk | If the sound doesn't work they will blame Linux | Oct 29 10:42 |
| sebsebseb | oh that's a point | Oct 29 10:42 |
| sebsebseb | Skype may need some setting up you mean | Oct 29 10:42 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Oct 29 10:42 |
| sebsebseb | worked well for me in Magiea 3 when I put in | Oct 29 10:42 |
| iophk | Yes but more importantly the general sound system needs setting up | Oct 29 10:42 |
| sebsebseb | jitsi is bette than Skype | Oct 29 10:42 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't think the technical stuff like that has been thought out yet | Oct 29 10:43 |
| sebsebseb | propery | Oct 29 10:43 |
| iophk | Jitsi is *way* better than skype | Oct 29 10:43 |
| iophk | the sound is better | Oct 29 10:43 |
| sebsebseb | remasters not getting QA thing being one of them | Oct 29 10:43 |
| sebsebseb | if Skype should really be pre installed or not another etc | Oct 29 10:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I can probably talk whoever out of Skype quite easilly | Oct 29 10:43 |
| sebsebseb | just say we'll do jitsi | Oct 29 10:43 |
| iophk | It sounds like a lot of technical stuff is being ignored | Oct 29 10:43 |
| iophk | yesJitsi is the way to go | Oct 29 10:43 |
| sebsebseb | someone who aparnatlly is meant to be more technical than the rest of us others, apparantly | Oct 29 10:43 |
| sebsebseb | was recommending jitsi | Oct 29 10:43 |
| sebsebseb | oh that's the Open Suse guy as well | Oct 29 10:44 |
| iophk | even a stopped clock is right twice a day... | Oct 29 10:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah Skpe may be knwn, but it's not that great | Oct 29 10:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: heh heh | Oct 29 10:44 |
| iophk | Skype is closed source ,closed format, and M$ | Oct 29 10:44 |
| iophk | It's the antithesis of FOSS | Oct 29 10:44 |
| sebsebseb | you mean he picked a bad distro, but is irght about jitsi being better? | Oct 29 10:44 |
| iophk | yes | Oct 29 10:44 |
| sebsebseb | yeah so I'll say no Skype | Oct 29 10:45 |
| sebsebseb | let's do Jitsi instead | Oct 29 10:45 |
| sebsebseb | I think most should go alon with that one | Oct 29 10:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ata | Oct 29 10:45 |
| sebsebseb | actsally with Skype distros arne't allowed to just install it directly from repo's | Oct 29 10:45 |
| sebsebseb | so I wonder about having it pre installed into remasters hmm | Oct 29 10:45 |
| sebsebseb | distro's have to use a script and get it off hte offiiccal site/server | Oct 29 10:45 |
| iophk | What are they going to do, sue you? | Oct 29 10:46 |
| sebsebseb | no probably not | Oct 29 10:46 |
| iophk | Seriously though Jitsi is a better and *more appropriate* option for VoIP | Oct 29 10:46 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yep Skype is a uh | Oct 29 10:46 |
| sebsebseb | better to put jitsi in | Oct 29 10:46 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Skype also is old in Linux | Oct 29 10:46 |
| iophk | Jitsi is FOSS, it is open standard and it is an open project | Oct 29 10:46 |
| sebsebseb | compard to Windows | Oct 29 10:46 |
| sebsebseb | soem people will atsully notice that, that it's a quite old version with Linux | Oct 29 10:46 |
| sebsebseb | and something newer with WIndows | Oct 29 10:46 |
| iophk | Skype for linux is going away as you see and as people have warned | Oct 29 10:46 |
| sebsebseb | Skype for Linux is going away? | Oct 29 10:47 |
| iophk | also Skype has dreadful security | Oct 29 10:47 |
| sebsebseb | I got Skype ope nat hte moment still I think | Oct 29 10:47 |
| iophk | yes Skype for Linux is going away eventually | Oct 29 10:47 |
| iophk | M$ owns it now | Oct 29 10:47 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: anyway yeah jitsi put that in by defalt | Oct 29 10:47 |
| sebsebseb | pidgin yep | Oct 29 10:47 |
| sebsebseb | they don' want ink scape, and this other guy is like to save spac, could remoe gimp | Oct 29 10:47 |
| sebsebseb | I Think having both gimp and inkscape may be worht it actllly, and some kind of photo editor | Oct 29 10:48 |
| iophk | I would agree, both need to be there | Oct 29 10:48 |
| iophk | If you are making a DVD there is a lot of space. | Oct 29 10:48 |
| sebsebseb | well some of the USB's are 1GB which is a bit small for most | Oct 29 10:48 |
| iophk | If you are making a CD, well there's not much space for what is expected | Oct 29 10:48 |
| sebsebseb | ,but there's £100 of funding stil | Oct 29 10:48 |
| sebsebseb | that could be used to buy 4GB USB sticks | Oct 29 10:48 |
| iophk | USB sticks will get reformatted with FAT32 upon leaving the room. They will be looked on as swag, nothing more. | Oct 29 10:49 |
| sebsebseb | yeah can re format them qute easilly in Windows with Fat32 I think? | Oct 29 10:49 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: that's something else ome of them are obbsed with USB sticks | Oct 29 10:50 |
| sebsebseb | booting distros off them etc | Oct 29 10:50 |
| iophk | AFAIK windows won't be able to read them and when people plug them into their windows computers, they'll click on "ok" when it asks to reformat. | Oct 29 10:50 |
| sebsebseb | true though with a CD or DVD R, well stuck with htat is on it | Oct 29 10:50 |
| iophk | CD R can be burned on demand | Oct 29 10:50 |
| iophk | less waste | Oct 29 10:50 |
| sebsebseb | yeah Windows can show what's on the USB just about I think in file manager | Oct 29 10:51 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah | Oct 29 10:51 |
| iophk | it can only show the formats it can read | Oct 29 10:51 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: with CD R and DVD R stuck with what's on it | Oct 29 10:51 |
| sebsebseb | can't just re formt htat | Oct 29 10:51 |
| MinceR | depends on the liveusb | Oct 29 10:51 |
| iophk | all others it offers to format, and most Windows users are practiced in mindlessly clicking "ok" | Oct 29 10:51 |
| iophk | to all dialog boxes | Oct 29 10:51 |
| MinceR | slax (also Linux Live) can make liveusb-s that are readable in winblows | Oct 29 10:51 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: soe people might think oh that Intel USB stick looks nice | Oct 29 10:51 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah yeah I'll take three or so of those whatever amount we have for distros | Oct 29 10:52 |
| iophk | yep | Oct 29 10:52 |
| sebsebseb | then go home and reformat it like your syaing | Oct 29 10:52 |
| iophk | free usb sticks | Oct 29 10:52 |
| sebsebseb | oh and that Intel USB stick looks nice | Oct 29 10:52 |
| MinceR | what intel usb stick? | Oct 29 10:52 |
| sebsebseb | ok it's ony 1GB and may need bigger ones | Oct 29 10:52 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: been given 30 USB sticks from Intel | Oct 29 10:53 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: soeone worked for them and arranged that, I was hpeing they would sponser it properly and such, but nope | Oct 29 10:53 |
| sebsebseb | he was askin for 30 USB sticks by the end of November, and we got this reply.... | Oct 29 10:53 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah I don't like the idea of iving out free usb sticks | Oct 29 10:54 |
| sebsebseb | if using CD R and DVD R stuck with htat's on it | Oct 29 10:54 |
| sebsebseb | can't just reformt that | Oct 29 10:54 |
| iophk | exactly | Oct 29 10:54 |
| sebsebseb | maybe there's a reason that USB sticks aren't just given out at thee FOSS events | Oct 29 10:54 |
| sebsebseb | why does it always seem to be CD R or DVD R possbily | Oct 29 10:54 |
| sebsebseb | I guess since this? | Oct 29 10:54 |
| iophk | I would think so | Oct 29 10:55 |
| sebsebseb | event may be aimed at general pubic | Oct 29 10:55 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Oct 29 10:55 |
| sebsebseb | the people turning up I assume hae some sort of idea how to use a computer, with Windows anyway | Oct 29 10:55 |
| iophk | Most don't | Oct 29 10:55 |
| sebsebseb | and reforating a USB won't take much | Oct 29 10:55 |
| iophk | they learn a few tricks | Oct 29 10:55 |
| iophk | and then stick with it for years and years | Oct 29 10:55 |
| sebsebseb | well yes | Oct 29 10:56 |
| sebsebseb | ,but rforating a USB isn't htat hard | Oct 29 10:56 |
| iophk | if they were learners they would hav emoved on to another OS | Oct 29 10:56 |
| sebsebseb | either way may get some coming for free swag | Oct 29 10:56 |
| iophk | reformatting occurs automatically when Windows can't read the device | Oct 29 10:56 |
| sebsebseb | usb sticks | Oct 29 10:56 |
| sebsebseb | to format | Oct 29 10:56 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: are you sure it wil just reforat the USB stick if it can't read | Oct 29 10:56 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Oct 29 10:56 |
| iophk | Yes | Oct 29 10:56 |
| sebsebseb | well that' no good either if that's so | Oct 29 10:57 |
| iophk | I've had to stop people from reformatting them | Oct 29 10:57 |
| iophk | even *after* I warned them | Oct 29 10:57 |
| sebsebseb | it ruins the remaster or whatever is on it | Oct 29 10:57 |
| sebsebseb | if they stick it in windows and yep | Oct 29 10:57 |
| sebsebseb | bye bye what we gave them | Oct 29 10:57 |
| iophk | even "skilled" people just press OK on WIndows dialog boxes | Oct 29 10:57 |
| MinceR | try it with a FAT32-based SLAX LiveUSB | Oct 29 10:57 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: people don't unmount usb's either in general | Oct 29 10:57 |
| sebsebseb | when they shoul relaly | Oct 29 10:57 |
| sebsebseb | I think CD R's and DVD's are a load cheaper | Oct 29 10:57 |
| sebsebseb | to buy lots of them as well | Oct 29 10:58 |
| iophk | Do the sticks have a read-only switch? | Oct 29 10:58 |
| sebsebseb | I don't know | Oct 29 10:58 |
| iophk | CD-R is like 0.02 EUR at some web sites | Oct 29 10:58 |
| sebsebseb | even in the shops here | Oct 29 10:58 |
| MinceR | usb flashes don't tend to have read-only switches | Oct 29 10:58 |
| sebsebseb | it's not that bad in general for a pack | Oct 29 10:58 |
| sebsebseb | well depends a bit, ut yeah | Oct 29 10:58 |
| iophk | http://www.luxdisc.com/-c-4828_831_189.html | Oct 29 10:58 |
| MinceR | full-size sd cards do, though | Oct 29 10:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.luxdisc.com | CD-R 700 MB blank - Jaydisc - CDRohlinge24*** CD-Rohlinge, DVD-Rohlinge, bedruckbare-Rohlinge und [ http://ur1.ca/fye6o ] | Oct 29 10:58 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: why ae you giving me euros | Oct 29 10:58 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I thought you were in USA? | Oct 29 10:58 |
| sebsebseb | we use pounds here in UK BY THE WAY | Oct 29 10:59 |
| sebsebseb | £ | Oct 29 10:59 |
| iophk | For while alonger | Oct 29 10:59 |
| sebsebseb | £££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££3 | Oct 29 10:59 |
| iophk | :> | Oct 29 10:59 |
| sebsebseb | £ | Oct 29 10:59 |
| sebsebseb | ££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££3 | Oct 29 10:59 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: where do you live? | Oct 29 10:59 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: MinceR MinceR MinceR MinceR ok that's more fun :D | Oct 29 10:59 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: iophk iophk iophk iophk iophk iophk iophkii iophk iophki iophki | Oct 29 10:59 |
| iophk | sebsebsebsebsebsebsebsebsebsebsebsebsebsebseb | Oct 29 10:59 |
| iophk | sebsebseb sebsebseb sebsebseb | Oct 29 10:59 |
| sebsebseb | uh did one in wrong hannel uh | Oct 29 10:59 |
| sebsebseb | [14:59] <sebsebseb> 3458923983278932rueuiweoiruweoruweoiur | Oct 29 11:00 |
| sebsebseb | 349w8r7werouwepruweoruew | Oct 29 11:00 |
| sebsebseb | anyway yeah buying a laod of CD R's or DVD R's may be better | Oct 29 11:00 |
| iophk | Yes, and they can be burned on demand | Oct 29 11:00 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Oct 29 11:00 |
| iophk | You can make that part of the demo, in the background while showing the DE and the other apps | Oct 29 11:01 |
| sebsebseb | I think that was the origna idea to havevsoe pre burnt USB's etc and then make ore if needed | Oct 29 11:01 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and I should be able to stock up a bit on officcal Mageia looking CD's at FOSDEM 2014 :) | Oct 29 11:01 |
| sebsebseb | and ca get them sent in for Ubuntu for exampe, and ene OPen SUse | Oct 29 11:01 |
| sebsebseb | not sure about Mint | Oct 29 11:01 |
| iophk | The USBs can be door prizes, but I doubt anyone that is a WIndows user would figure out how to boot from USB. In fact most old computers can't | Oct 29 11:01 |
| sebsebseb | well they have a idea to have a boot CD | Oct 29 11:02 |
| sebsebseb | with Grub or whatever | Oct 29 11:02 |
| sebsebseb | then stick the USB stick in | Oct 29 11:02 |
| iophk | You should find those people that left, if you get along with them , and organize an installfest | Oct 29 11:02 |
| sebsebseb | and boot it like that | Oct 29 11:02 |
| sebsebseb | instead of going into the bios | Oct 29 11:02 |
| iophk | Booting with CD is familiar even to Windows users | Oct 29 11:02 |
| iophk | Same for DVD if their drive supports it. | Oct 29 11:02 |
| sebsebseb | oh the guy who left, he only went to one LUG meeting so don't really know him | Oct 29 11:02 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think it's goo to have both maybe, CD/DVD too boot form and some USB's to? | Oct 29 11:03 |
| sebsebseb | have it all be prepared | Oct 29 11:03 |
| MinceR | OTOH, optical drives are getting less common :> | Oct 29 11:03 |
| sebsebseb | no CD drive in a netbook though yeah | Oct 29 11:03 |
| iophk | MinceR: On new machines they are becoming rare | Oct 29 11:03 |
| MinceR | it's been a while since i installed an OS from an optical disk | Oct 29 11:03 |
| sebsebseb | I have thought maybe I should bring along my own portable CD/DVD drive | Oct 29 11:03 |
| sebsebseb | that I use with my netbook | Oct 29 11:03 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I am still doing that | Oct 29 11:03 |
| sebsebseb | I am old fashioned like that | Oct 29 11:03 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 29 11:03 |
| sebsebseb | even bought a externa CD/DVD drive for that | Oct 29 11:04 |
| sebsebseb | for the netbook | Oct 29 11:04 |
| MinceR | my home server, netbook and tablet pc don't have optical drives | Oct 29 11:04 |
| sebsebseb | no opitcal drive in this netbook | Oct 29 11:04 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yes neither does ine | Oct 29 11:04 |
| sebsebseb | so I got round that | Oct 29 11:04 |
| sebsebseb | by buyig a external one | Oct 29 11:04 |
| sebsebseb | that's how I have insatlled Linux on here from that :d | Oct 29 11:04 |
| sebsebseb | not those uhmm modern USB boos | Oct 29 11:04 |
| iophk | Just think about all those music CDs. One year soon they will be looked at like those cassette tapes that got tossed. | Oct 29 11:05 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: starting to go that way slowly now | Oct 29 11:05 |
| sebsebseb | espeicaly with the cloud | Oct 29 11:05 |
| sebsebseb | ITunes | Oct 29 11:05 |
| sebsebseb | Spotify et | Oct 29 11:05 |
| sebsebseb | Last.fm | Oct 29 11:05 |
| sebsebseb | librefm | Oct 29 11:05 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR fm | Oct 29 11:05 |
| iophk | It will go slowly for a while then the end for the CDs will come quickly. | Oct 29 11:05 |
| sebsebseb | iophk rock box! | Oct 29 11:05 |
| iophk | I already see them heavily discounted online. | Oct 29 11:05 |
| iophk | I wonder if I should waste money on more | Oct 29 11:06 |
| sebsebseb | DVD 's are stil selling | Oct 29 11:06 |
| sebsebseb | and blue ray | Oct 29 11:06 |
| iophk | Bluray is something else | Oct 29 11:06 |
| sebsebseb | streaming movies hasn't quite hit off properly | Oct 29 11:06 |
| iophk | HD and Bluray are about the same thing both use the M$ codec | Oct 29 11:06 |
| sebsebseb | Sony has Blueray | Oct 29 11:07 |
| sebsebseb | ady eah it's A DRM thing | Oct 29 11:07 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah above | Oct 29 11:07 |
| iophk | I probably won't ever own one on purpose | Oct 29 11:07 |
| MinceR | VC-1? | Oct 29 11:07 |
| sebsebseb | I sort of nearlly bought one the other week | Oct 29 11:07 |
| sebsebseb | I really do mean sort of here | Oct 29 11:07 |
| sebsebseb | since the fllm was in two boxes onceh ad more stuff | Oct 29 11:08 |
| sebsebseb | turns out the smaller box was the bueray with htat bit ore or whatever | Oct 29 11:08 |
| sebsebseb | not been in a shop like that for ages, so I had forgototn that blueray is in a smaller box or whatever | Oct 29 11:08 |
| sebsebseb | I shold watch that film | Oct 29 11:08 |
| sebsebseb | stil not sen it | Oct 29 11:08 |
| iophk | sebsebseb: are there any computer show / conferences in your area during the next month? | Oct 29 11:14 |
| iophk | Going to one can get you an idea of who's out there that might come to a demo or installfest | Oct 29 11:15 |
| iophk | If it does not cost too much you could have a table there demoing Mageia | Oct 29 11:17 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3225979 | Oct 29 12:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: New Scientist: Has the time come to abandon online anonymity? http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22029401.700-has-the-time-come-to-abandon-online-anonymity.html#.Um_ZV7PsS00/ No, fight back! http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24477-firefox-plugin-reveals-who-is-tracking-your-surfing.html#.Um_ZTLPsS00 | Oct 29 12:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.newscientist.com | Has the time come to abandon online anonymity? - opinion - 25 October 2013 - New Scientist [ http://ur1.ca/fyekr ] | Oct 29 12:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.newscientist.com | Firefox plug-in reveals who is tracking your surfing - tech - 28 October 2013 - New Scientist [ http://ur1.ca/fyekt ] | Oct 29 12:30 |
| schestowitz_bed | "'got it, just worrying :-)" | Oct 29 12:30 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395216689908170752 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395221952656580608 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395222346111672320 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395222770898173952 | Oct 29 12:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: I won the bid for Tux Machines, my favourite site for GNU/Linux news. I will try my best to serve its community well. | Oct 29 12:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Torrent Site Admin Who Turned Pigsty into Datacenter Jailed for a Year http://t.co/CZUTwWgJZf #torrent #internet | Oct 29 12:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> torrentfreak.com | Torrent Site Admin Who Turned Pigsty into Datacenter Jailed for a Year | TorrentFreak | Oct 29 12:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: New Scientist: Has the time come to abandon online anonymity? http://t.co/LtGL8o5Sjm No, fight back! http://t.co/nD02bh9OTq | Oct 29 12:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: People who are against anonymity portray the anonymous as "trolls"&if also against privacy (correlation there) say these are "terrorists". | Oct 29 12:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395223057465638912 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395223057465638912 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395223318321971200 | Oct 29 12:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Privacy needed to express controversial opinions before/in case those opinions become acceptable. Women voters, anti-slavery, pro-cannabis.. | Oct 29 12:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Operating systems want to be free http://t.co/Z3I4Uzor5a "Two of the three major desktop operating systems are now free." | Oct 29 12:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.infoworld.com | Operating systems want to be free | Data Center - InfoWorld | Oct 29 12:40 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395223501092974592 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395226610921926656 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395226874491990016 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395227139886575616 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395227389791592448 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395227870991503361 | Oct 29 12:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Reflections On The Long Fight Against The #Copyright #Monopoly – And What You Can Do http://t.co/xCH4fa3gDE no need for monopolies | Oct 29 12:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> torrentfreak.com | Reflections On The Long Fight Against The Copyright Monopoly – And What You Can Do | TorrentFreak | Oct 29 12:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: For debate about crushing online anonymity look at South Korea. It wanted to require ID online and then there's this https://t.co/K5y1MtkwiB | Oct 29 12:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> blog.torproject.org | Online Anonymity Debate in South Korea | The Tor Blog | Oct 29 12:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Today at lunch had another debate with another older person to whom #surveillance is "good" because... TERRORISM. Using #NSA talking points. | Oct 29 12:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The "T" word is real argument winner and the spies know it; never mind espionage. Those of us who are still outraged at NSA may be minority. | Oct 29 12:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The discussion about privacy, anonymity etc. needs to improve. Right now a lot of simple-minded people will lean towards the PR of spies. | Oct 29 12:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Just because 'tech' people agree about #surveillance doesn't mean that less technical people will 'get' it.They grow up on James Bond films. | Oct 29 12:41 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/mcscx/status/395233695030063104 | Oct 29 13:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @mcscx: @schestowitz OSX is only free as in beer, not libre.You also have to have an Apple store acct to dl it.I see no big diff to when it cost €30 | Oct 29 13:01 |
| schestowitz_bed | yes, not my words | Oct 29 13:01 |
| iophk | It looks like they're pushing hard to get every OS X user into signing up for a Apple Store account. | Oct 29 13:02 |
| iophk | There might be a way around it, but most will just fill in the form and sign up | Oct 29 13:02 |
| iophk | Mavericks has a lot of problems, so there would be blowback if they charged for it and pushed the Apple Store issue . I think that getting new accounts is their main goal here. | Oct 29 13:04 |
| iophk | If 10.10 sucks, too, that will be 2 in a row and some of the aura will wear off. | Oct 29 13:05 |
| sebsebseb | yeah there's sme sort of OS X and Linus news or something I think, looked brieflly at http://linuxtoday.com earlier | Oct 29 13:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.linuxtoday.com | Linux Today - Linux News On Internet Time. | Oct 29 13:05 |
| sebsebseb | ,but not read articles | Oct 29 13:05 |
| iophk | sebsebseb, AFAIK that has been the Torvalds quote about it not mattering that Apple is making it free-of-charge. | Oct 29 13:07 |
| iophk | It is the least interesting topic or question in the whole video. | Oct 29 13:08 |
| iophk | I'm not sure why the news glommed on to it. | Oct 29 13:08 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they are makingw hat free of charge | Oct 29 13:09 |
| sebsebseb | like I said I haven't read stuff | Oct 29 13:09 |
| iophk | Software is not going to be sold as such any more. That was just a passing phase. | Oct 29 13:09 |
| sebsebseb | they are giing OS X away free | Oct 29 13:09 |
| iophk | http://www.blinkenlights.com/classiccmp/gateswhine.html | Oct 29 13:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.blinkenlights.com | Bill Gates' Open Letter to Hobbyists [ http://ur1.ca/3rqok ] | Oct 29 13:09 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Oct 29 13:09 |
| iophk | Giving it away free just helps sell hardware. | Oct 29 13:09 |
| iophk | Like with the Android phones | Oct 29 13:09 |
| iophk | or, we hope, the Ubuntu phones. | Oct 29 13:09 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: what they are reay giving OS X away freel | Oct 29 13:09 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Oct 29 13:09 |
| sebsebseb | links > | Oct 29 13:09 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Oct 29 13:09 |
| iophk | !google os x mavericks free | Oct 29 13:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - OS X Mavericks now available as a free download | The Verge | http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/22/4865858/os-x-10-9-mavericks-release-date-price | Oct 29 13:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - 6 Theories on Why Apple's OS X Mavericks Is Free [SUNDAY COMIC] | http://mashable.com/2013/10/27/os-x-mavericks-comic/ | Oct 29 13:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Yes, OS X Mavericks Is Free. Wait, No It Isn't — Or Is It? | TIME.com | http://techland.time.com/2013/10/24/yes-os-x-mavericks-is-free-wait-no-it-isnt-or-is-it/ | Oct 29 13:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Mac App Store - OS X Mavericks - iTunes - Apple | https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/os-x-mavericks/id675248567%3Fmt%3D12 | Oct 29 13:10 |
| sebsebseb | Maverick is the latest version | Oct 29 13:10 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Oct 29 13:10 |
| iophk | Hmm.Different results. | Oct 29 13:10 |
| iophk | Yes "mavericks" is the latest one. | Oct 29 13:10 |
| iophk | 10.9 | Oct 29 13:10 |
| sebsebseb | will it run a standard PC? | Oct 29 13:11 |
| sebsebseb | ru on | Oct 29 13:11 |
| iophk | There is "hackintosh" | Oct 29 13:11 |
| iophk | but the software is designed to inhibit running on non-Apple hardware | Oct 29 13:11 |
| iophk | cracking it is not a good thing. Most modern Linux distros are better now. | Oct 29 13:12 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ok read the verge link | Oct 29 13:12 |
| sebsebseb | it's just a free upgrade | Oct 29 13:12 |
| iophk | A while back M$ was talking about giving away hardware and selling the OS and Apps. We'll see how that plays out. | Oct 29 13:12 |
| iophk | Yes, free 'upgrade' | Oct 29 13:12 |
| sebsebseb | to those already running Snow Leapord that's all | Oct 29 13:12 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: it doesnt' mean we can just download it | Oct 29 13:12 |
| iophk | And more recent versions | Oct 29 13:13 |
| sebsebseb | those not running OS X | Oct 29 13:13 |
| sebsebseb | and put it on a pC | Oct 29 13:13 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Oct 29 13:13 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Oct 29 13:13 |
| iophk | No. Of course not | Oct 29 13:13 |
| sebsebseb | or does it? | Oct 29 13:13 |
| iophk | It's for OS X users. | Oct 29 13:13 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: exactlly it's jut a free upgrade | Oct 29 13:13 |
| sebsebseb | li | Oct 29 13:13 |
| sebsebseb | not them giing the OS completly away free as in price | Oct 29 13:13 |
| iophk | Only to those that have already bought an Apple machine... | Oct 29 13:13 |
| sebsebseb | yep exactly | Oct 29 13:13 |
| sebsebseb | and realy it will be like a service pack in Wndows I guess | Oct 29 13:14 |
| iophk | But the buzz does distract from some of the major problems. | Oct 29 13:14 |
| iophk | The mail app broke, the sRGB broke, | Oct 29 13:14 |
| iophk | and a few other things | Oct 29 13:14 |
| sebsebseb | what's sRGB | Oct 29 13:14 |
| sebsebseb | I don' use Mac | Oct 29 13:14 |
| iophk | the color is going to hurt graphics designers | Oct 29 13:14 |
| iophk | http://www.w3.org/Graphics/Color/sRGB.html | Oct 29 13:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.w3.org | A Standard Default Color Space for the Internet - sRGB [ http://ur1.ca/fyeu9 ] | Oct 29 13:14 |
| sebsebseb | huh? | Oct 29 13:14 |
| sebsebseb | oh the web design thing | Oct 29 13:14 |
| sebsebseb | RGB right | Oct 29 13:14 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: anyway it'sjust a free upgrade | Oct 29 13:15 |
| sebsebseb | for thoser running Mac | Oct 29 13:15 |
| sebsebseb | makes sense | Oct 29 13:15 |
| iophk | yes | Oct 29 13:15 |
| iophk | nothing more | Oct 29 13:15 |
| sebsebseb | they did't give the whole OS away as freeware | Oct 29 13:15 |
| iophk | I seem to recall reading about them giving iWorks away. | Oct 29 13:15 |
| sebsebseb | oh and with a way to easilly make it run on standard PC to | Oct 29 13:15 |
| sebsebseb | and then be like | Oct 29 13:15 |
| iophk | That is a bigger deal. | Oct 29 13:15 |
| sebsebseb | oh software own't sell so well | Oct 29 13:15 |
| sebsebseb | you canbuy our hardware | Oct 29 13:15 |
| sebsebseb | Iworks sounds vagulay fmailur, for web design or something? | Oct 29 13:16 |
| iophk | Selling closed source software was only a passing phase, I think | Oct 29 13:16 |
| sebsebseb | makes senes to have a free upgrade to latest OS | Oct 29 13:16 |
| sebsebseb | kill offf prevoius installs | Oct 29 13:16 |
| iophk | iWork has a word processor, spreadsheet and presentation graphics | Oct 29 13:16 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | Oct 29 13:16 |
| iophk | I haven't seen it in ages but it is around | Oct 29 13:16 |
| MinceR | hypeWorks is an office suite | Oct 29 13:16 |
| iophk | MinceR is more up on it. | Oct 29 13:17 |
| MinceR | the only thing i've seen of it (without knowing that it's part of hypeWorks) is keynote, the presentation app | Oct 29 13:17 |
| sebsebseb | hypewor is that a joke | Oct 29 13:17 |
| sebsebseb | hyped up office suite | Oct 29 13:17 |
| MinceR | which is extremely crap | Oct 29 13:17 |
| MinceR | yes | Oct 29 13:17 |
| sebsebseb | Libre Office for the win | Oct 29 13:17 |
| sebsebseb | and Open Offfice kind of too since under Apache | Oct 29 13:17 |
| MinceR | you can replace the 'i' prefix in any crApple product with 'hype' to get a more accurate meaning, usually with a similar pronunciation | Oct 29 13:17 |
| sebsebseb | and there's that uhmmm well Koffice got re named to Caligra or something | Oct 29 13:17 |
| MinceR | Calligra | Oct 29 13:18 |
| sebsebseb | and there's Abiword and Gnumeric | Oct 29 13:18 |
| MinceR | there's also Gnome Office | Oct 29 13:18 |
| sebsebseb | yes Abiwrod and Gu | Oct 29 13:18 |
| sebsebseb | Gum | Oct 29 13:18 |
| MinceR | of which AbiWord and Gnumeric are components | Oct 29 13:18 |
| sebsebseb | Gnumeric | Oct 29 13:18 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Oct 29 13:18 |
| sebsebseb | GOffice is those two | Oct 29 13:18 |
| MinceR | (along with Dia, Evolution and i don't know what else) | Oct 29 13:18 |
| sebsebseb | there's also MinceR 's off suite which is aweome, and iophk 's amazing web design and coding program, both of which are sort of cross, but not for Windows and Mac OS X, only for Linux distros and BSD | Oct 29 13:19 |
| sebsebseb | they hate Microsoft and Apple too much, to port their programs over there you see | Oct 29 13:19 |
| sebsebseb | sort of cross platform aove | Oct 29 13:19 |
| MinceR | huh? | Oct 29 13:19 |
| MinceR | i have no office suite | Oct 29 13:20 |
| iophk | I thought it was technically too difficult to built apps for Windows | Oct 29 13:20 |
| iophk | also, at least in the old days, NDAs prohibited work on other platforms | Oct 29 13:20 |
| iophk | so you had to have a completely separate team if not more | Oct 29 13:20 |
| MinceR | i use LaTeX for my word processing, Beamer for presentations | Oct 29 13:20 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR ' ofice suite for LInux and BSD only and a good combo with that is iophk 's amazing web design and coding program, again LInux and BSD only | Oct 29 13:20 |
| MinceR | i have the beginnings of a design for a spreadsheet replacement | Oct 29 13:20 |
| MinceR | in my mind | Oct 29 13:20 |
| sebsebseb | they both hate Micrsooft and Apple to much to port hte over there as I alread put | Oct 29 13:20 |
| sebsebseb | Mincer 's office suite is better than Libre Office and Open Office, but hardly anone knows about it, so they are stll more popular | Oct 29 13:21 |
| sebsebseb | altough Ubuntu was thinking about replacing Open Office with MinceR 's ffice sute at one stage instead | Oct 29 13:21 |
| iophk | Nice out-of-context quote: "software is something to share" | Oct 29 13:22 |
| iophk | http://www.blinkenlights.com/classiccmp/gateswhine.html | Oct 29 13:22 |
| sebsebseb | ,but they thought Libre Ofice would be better to go for, for obvios reasons | Oct 29 13:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.blinkenlights.com | Bill Gates' Open Letter to Hobbyists [ http://ur1.ca/3rqok ] | Oct 29 13:22 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: what are you on? | Oct 29 13:22 |
| iophk | nitrous | Oct 29 13:23 |
| sebsebseb | as for iophk 's web design and coding program, it's better than emac,s vi, vim, and all those not that great web design programs for Linux that are commonly known, this program can also change itself into both a GUI and a command line type program running in it' own terminal, depending on what the user wants, so yeah it's awesome, but hardly known about sadly | Oct 29 13:23 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: a GUI and a terminal program, that's awesome what you made there :d | Oct 29 13:24 |
| MinceR | it's called vim | Oct 29 13:24 |
| MinceR | and gvim | Oct 29 13:24 |
| iophk | no kvim? | Oct 29 13:24 |
| sebsebseb | no no iophk 's program is better than all that | Oct 29 13:24 |
| sebsebseb | it's aweome | Oct 29 13:24 |
| MinceR | it was called something else | Oct 29 13:24 |
| MinceR | i forgot what | Oct 29 13:24 |
| iophk | M$ Silverlake : http://www.streetinsider.com/Mergers+and+Acquisitions/Dell+%28DELL%29+Go-Private+Deal+is+Complete/8820909.html | Oct 29 13:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.streetinsider.com | Dell (DELL) Go-Private Deal is Complete [ http://ur1.ca/fyexo ] | Oct 29 13:25 |
| MinceR | yzis, perhaps | Oct 29 13:25 |
| sebsebseb | so good that Steve Balmmer well MIcrooft tried to buy the rights to iophk 's program, so they could close it down, or for some strange reason port to Windows, I guess they reolised that the command prompt in Windows sucks | Oct 29 13:25 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: how much were they going to pay you again? I forgot | Oct 29 13:26 |
| sebsebseb | 50 million dollers or something crazy like that wasn't it? | Oct 29 13:27 |
| sebsebseb | ,but you still refused since so loyal to openource/freesoftware etc :) | Oct 29 13:27 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: iophk this time of year sucks dark early | Oct 29 13:28 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah | Oct 29 13:28 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395229452487368704 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395229913445584897 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395230817586520064 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395232445232316416 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395233243550978049 | Oct 29 13:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: FSF: FSF joins thousands in DC to tell NSA: "Stop Watching Us!" https://t.co/BJf3lJ9sjk #fsf | Oct 29 13:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.fsf.org | FSF joins thousands in DC to tell NSA: "Stop Watching Us!" — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software | Oct 29 13:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "NSA-free" https://t.co/e5rydj2vrX | Oct 29 13:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Noam Chomsky: How the U.S.-Mexico Border Is Cruel by Design http://t.co/JYOirkX0YC #mexico #us | Oct 29 13:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.alternet.org | Noam Chomsky: How the U.S.-Mexico Border Is Cruel by Design | Alternet | Oct 29 13:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Lessig dumps #keynote after getting pissed off at #apple http://t.co/IcIotvdi9a maybe time for #gnu #linux and #privacy | Oct 29 13:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.lessig.org | Keynote, we hardly knew you | Lessig | Oct 29 13:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Jamaica Ministry of Health adopts GNU Health http://t.co/nZtCdCKedD #health #gnu #freedom #sharing #jamaica | Oct 29 13:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> linuxmednews.com | Jamaica Ministry of Health adopts GNU Health | Oct 29 13:28 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395233655104491521 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395233655104491521 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395236035581706240 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395236894189293568 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395237572588605440 | Oct 29 13:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "After nine years and with billions already spent, doomed [proprietary] computer system is abandoned" http://t.co/6vbCv24Odq #nhs #uk | Oct 29 13:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.independent.co.uk | NHS pulls the plug on its £11bn IT system - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent | Oct 29 13:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "The primary difficulty of cyber security isn't technology -- it's policy." https://t.co/LbIGOwhA2a #security #privacy | Oct 29 13:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.schneier.com | Schneier on Security: Understanding the Threats in Cyberspace | Oct 29 13:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The Raspberry Pi: Is it REALLY the saviour of British computing? http://t.co/OqiAyICscZ #linux #uk | Oct 29 13:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theregister.co.uk | The Raspberry Pi: Is it REALLY the saviour of British computing? • The Register | Oct 29 13:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: GIMP review: This free image editor is no longer a crippled alternative to Photoshop http://t.co/5ku4Y1f63M it never was... | Oct 29 13:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.extremetech.com | GIMP review: This free image editor is no longer a crippled alternative to Photoshop | ExtremeTech | Oct 29 13:30 |
| MinceR | indeed, it never was | Oct 29 13:30 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395235448593084416 | Oct 29 13:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The First Development Release of GNOME Notes 3.12 Arrives http://t.co/gNFKKIllnH #gnu #gnome #linux | Oct 29 13:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | The First Development Release of GNOME Notes 3.12 Arrives | Oct 29 13:31 |
| iophk | Speaking of iWorks / Keynote | Oct 29 13:32 |
| iophk | http://www.lessig.org/2013/10/keynote-we-hardly-knew-you/ | Oct 29 13:32 |
| schestowitz_bed | I tweeted this | Oct 29 13:32 |
| schestowitz_bed | an hour ago | Oct 29 13:32 |
| iophk | yes I just saw that | Oct 29 13:32 |
| schestowitz_bed | Gore uses it also | Oct 29 13:32 |
| iophk | it ties into what MinceR was saying | Oct 29 13:32 |
| schestowitz_bed | and got ridiculed for doing about global warming little more than a Keynote presentation | Oct 29 13:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | or PowerPoint | Oct 29 13:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | some say... | Oct 29 13:33 |
| iophk | Some call everything a "Powerpoint" | Oct 29 13:33 |
| iophk | I'd say some organized people could probably pull the trademark off it. | Oct 29 13:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226442 | Oct 29 13:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: GIMP review: This free image editor is no longer a crippled alternative to Photoshop http://www.extremetech.com/computing/169620-gimp-review-no-longer-a-crippled-alternative-to-photoshop it never was... | Oct 29 13:34 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226442 | Oct 29 13:34 |
| schestowitz_bed | "exactly it never was!" | Oct 29 13:34 |
| schestowitz_bed | iophk: like "google' | Oct 29 13:34 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226357 | Oct 29 13:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ## [The artificial womb](http://beforeitsnews.com/science-and-technology/2013/10/the-artificial-womb-is-born-and-the-world-of-the-matrix-begins-2647320.html) | Oct 29 13:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> beforeitsnews.com | The Artificial Womb Is Born And The World of the Matrix begins | Science and Technology [ http://ur1.ca/fyf03 ] | Oct 29 13:35 |
| schestowitz_bed | "That is creepy" | Oct 29 13:35 |
| iophk | "brave new world" | Oct 29 13:37 |
| iophk | decanting new people | Oct 29 13:37 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: article mentioning how GIMp is set up diffenrety by defaut not in a frame thing, then showing stuff in framed mode | Oct 29 13:38 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: the normal mode makes it more interesting really, when not seen a program that does things like that | Oct 29 13:39 |
| sebsebseb | I guess | Oct 29 13:39 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah Windows and OS X users used to frame mode so | Oct 29 13:39 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: i thought they showed the CSDI mode | Oct 29 13:39 |
| MinceR | just the toolboxes are moved above the image window | Oct 29 13:39 |
| sebsebseb | the what mode? | Oct 29 13:40 |
| MinceR | CSDI | Oct 29 13:40 |
| MinceR | the reasonable GUI, as opposed to the mess of a GUI that was modeled on photoshop | Oct 29 13:40 |
| MinceR | Controlled Single Document Interface | Oct 29 13:40 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz_bed: as fr GNOME notes uh right, but not that exciting realy | Oct 29 13:41 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://plus.google.com/109027644713767623413/posts/WRxdU56WdbN | Oct 29 14:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | plus.google.com | Swapnil Bhartiya - Google+ - In times like these when spying by these two countries is… [ http://ur1.ca/fyf7k ] | Oct 29 14:07 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 14:07 |
| schestowitz_bed | Some not so obvious arguments is that data retention policies can be changed at any time without the user knowing. Heafner conflates this collection with authentication services. That might not be fair now, but it could be later. | Oct 29 14:07 |
| schestowitz_bed | The main point is that the user should always be in control and have a clear way to opt out each time they search. We all expect that from free software and Canonical. Why is the company dragging it's feet on this? | Oct 29 14:07 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 14:07 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395250242893139968 | Oct 29 14:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Canonical staff bites back at article about #ubuntu #privacy but evidence supports the critics, not Canonical https://t.co/Te97ilYniv | Oct 29 14:08 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226573 | Oct 29 14:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical staff bites back at article about #ubuntu #privacy but evidence supports the critics, not Canonical https://plus.google.com/109027644713767623413/posts/WRxdU56WdbN | Oct 29 14:19 |
| schestowitz_bed | "The sooner Canonical and Ubuntu collapse the better." | Oct 29 14:19 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3224038 | Oct 29 14:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: CNN on those 'poor' #drone 'pilots' http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/25/confessions-of-an-american-drone-warrior/ "The “video game” aspect of his job was reinforced by his trainers, he said." | Oct 29 14:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> amanpour.blogs.cnn.com | Confessions of an American drone warrior – Amanpour - CNN.com Blogs [ http://ur1.ca/fyfbj ] | Oct 29 14:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 14:21 |
| schestowitz_bed | GQ had a better write up. He wanted to be a hero and do good things. Perhaps the best thing he's done is to tell his story. Now he wants to be an EMT so he can take care of injured people but he will forever be haunted by the helpless people he killed from safety. | Oct 29 14:21 |
| schestowitz_bed | I understand how it's being used for propaganda purposes, but it also brings out the reality of what the US is doing so that we can oppose it. This man was responsible for more than 1,600 assassinations, basically one a day. Most people don't know that thousands of people have been killed this way. One of the people who did it is telling us it's wrong. | Oct 29 14:21 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 14:21 |
| schestowitz_bed | it's useful when even those who kill turn against the actions they committed. It helps show the sceptics are right. | Oct 29 14:28 |
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| iophk | peak iPhone | Oct 29 14:33 |
| iophk | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/10/bloodbath-results-latest-apple-quarter-more-evidence-of-peak-iphone.html | Oct 29 14:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Bloodbath Results, Latest Apple Quarter - More evidence of Peak iPhone [ http://ur1.ca/fyfe7 ] | Oct 29 14:33 |
| iophk | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/10/usa-freedom-act/ | Oct 29 14:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | Legislation Unveiled to Bar NSA's Bulk Phone Metadata Collection | Threat Level | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/fyffe ] | Oct 29 14:37 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIJrsAIhoEo | Oct 29 14:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Steve Hughes on Jobs - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fyfgy ] | Oct 29 14:42 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226420 | Oct 29 14:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "The primary difficulty of cyber security isn't technology -- it's policy." https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/10/understanding_t_2.html #security #privacy | Oct 29 14:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.schneier.com | Schneier on Security: Understanding the Threats in Cyberspace [ http://ur1.ca/fyfhy ] | Oct 29 14:48 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Is he still a Windows user?" | Oct 29 14:48 |
| Sosumi | moronicks is so good that it even feature memory leakeage | Oct 29 14:50 |
| Sosumi | 10.24 GB gone from a pool of 24GB in don't know what | Oct 29 14:51 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 29 14:52 |
| Sosumi | probably the NSA is offloading something into my testing machine | Oct 29 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Oct 29 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | While I was out getting my hair cut, this morbidly obese man walks in wearing overalls and smelling of animal feces, and sits right down in the chair next to mine. | Oct 29 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | I was busy trying not to throw up. So was the lady that was cutting my hair. | Oct 29 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | Finally, she was like "Would you like a shampoo?" | Oct 29 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | Why yes, yes I would. Please get me out of here. | Oct 29 14:52 |
| DaemonFC | It's like... Mein Gott in Himmel! Was hier starb!? Go to the cheap dollar store and get a bar of soap. | Oct 29 14:52 |
| Sosumi | and nop, nothing on the activity monitor either | Oct 29 14:53 |
| Sosumi | lawl what a joke | Oct 29 14:53 |
| Sosumi | caused by matlab/java runtime 6/xquartz since it was a restart and I was benching the thing | Oct 29 14:55 |
| Sosumi | but never had this happen in 10.6 (last good osx) and previous versions | Oct 29 14:56 |
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| sebsebseb | Oct 29 14:59 | |
| sebsebseb | ./join #mageia-social | Oct 29 14:59 |
| schestowitz_bed | oops | Oct 29 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz_bed: to what? | Oct 29 15:00 |
| schestowitz_bed | failure to type the command | Oct 29 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | yeah, but ah wel | Oct 29 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | l | Oct 29 15:00 |
| schestowitz_bed | unless it was intentiobal | Oct 29 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | no it wasn't | Oct 29 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz_bed: uh I am cold today | Oct 29 15:01 |
| schestowitz_bed | "The whole LAN interface is not working for me." | Oct 29 15:01 |
| schestowitz_bed | sebsebseb: flu? | Oct 29 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | I don't like it when it gets cold | Oct 29 15:01 |
| schestowitz_bed | or justa c old'? | Oct 29 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz_bed: no | Oct 29 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | the weahter | Oct 29 15:01 |
| schestowitz_bed | ah, stay warm | Oct 29 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | it's not summer anymore | Oct 29 15:01 |
| schestowitz_bed | avoid people ;-) | Oct 29 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | yeah trying too, but not much luck today | Oct 29 15:02 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226573 | Oct 29 15:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical staff bites back at article about #ubuntu #privacy but evidence supports the critics, not Canonical https://plus.google.com/109027644713767623413/posts/WRxdU56WdbN | Oct 29 15:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> plus.google.com | Swapnil Bhartiya - Google+ - In times like these when spying by these two countries is… [ http://ur1.ca/fyf7k ] | Oct 29 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | I am sensitive to cold it seems, I mean doesn't take much and I am feeling cold | Oct 29 15:02 |
| schestowitz_bed | "I'd rather Canonical did what's right than collapse. They can do it if they want." | Oct 29 15:02 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Why keep them around why not let them keep going down this road, at some point people will get wise and leave them and go back to a different distro." | Oct 29 15:02 |
| Sosumi | and opengl is almost on par on winblows, still 7 to 10 fps difference in WoW | Oct 29 15:02 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3224050 | Oct 29 15:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I feel bad for people who think that DuckDuckGo gives them #privacy while hosted on/by strong #CIA partner #Amazon http://techrights.org/2013/10/23/false-sense-of-privacy/ | Oct 29 15:03 |
| Sosumi | took 3 years for that to happen | Oct 29 15:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Apple’s Latest Bogus Claims Give False Sense of Privacy, Paint iMessage as ‘Secure’ | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fxlok ] | Oct 29 15:03 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Thanks, Roy, I've enjoyed putting those things in one place and hope it's helpful. Right now, I'm working on why people should not trust Bing and Microsoft in general. I touched on Bing's bias in my DDG write up but there is so much to Microsoft's corruption of press, universities, conferences, etc. Microsoft is an extremely subversive and dangerous force in the world. Techrights is an excellent resource when looking for source | Oct 29 15:03 |
| schestowitz_bed | documents and good interpretation.| | Oct 29 15:03 |
| schestowitz_bed | "and you are welcome LostSon. Thanks for reading and let me know if you find any problems with anything." | Oct 29 15:03 |
| Sosumi | *with | Oct 29 15:03 |
| Sosumi | iMessage isn't secure since the NSA as a direct feed into crApple's datacenters | Oct 29 15:04 |
| Sosumi | no mather how well they implemented the system | Oct 29 15:04 |
| Sosumi | court order, or not :) your data isn't safe | Oct 29 15:04 |
| Sosumi | plus iphones and those devices are know to have backdoors | Oct 29 15:05 |
| Sosumi | so what if the device sends a log of all activity, on request, to the snooping agency? | Oct 29 15:06 |
| Sosumi | bypassing all imessage framework | Oct 29 15:06 |
| Sosumi | so, if you don't know how it works | Oct 29 15:06 |
| Sosumi | it can't be trusted | Oct 29 15:06 |
| DaemonFC | That was an awful stench. | Oct 29 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | I'm still cringing from that. | Oct 29 15:09 |
| DaemonFC | How does someone walk around smelling like that? | Oct 29 15:10 |
| Sosumi | what stench? | Oct 29 15:12 |
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| DaemonFC | Sosumi: The guy that walked in while I was getting my hair cut and got the seat next to mine. | Oct 29 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | Smelled like shit. | Oct 29 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 29 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Oct 29 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | Jamie Zawinski is now ranting that Apple made the "move to dropbox" context menu item impossible to remove. | Oct 29 15:25 |
| DaemonFC | It's not impossible to remove. You remove OS X and then it's gone, along with the rest of the garbage. | Oct 29 15:25 |
| Sosumi | which menu? | Oct 29 15:26 |
| Sosumi | I haven't seen any dropbox around | Oct 29 15:26 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.jwz.org/blog/2013/10/fuck-dropbox/ | Oct 29 15:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.jwz.org | jwz: Fuck Dropbox. [ http://ur1.ca/fyfnu ] | Oct 29 15:26 |
| Sosumi | ho I see | Oct 29 15:27 |
| Sosumi | moronicks is bad, it grabs some things from unity and kde and changes some UI elements overhall | Oct 29 15:29 |
| Sosumi | alongside the welcome to 2010 much needed graphics improvements | Oct 29 15:30 |
| Sosumi | on another side, safari is still junk and managed to crash a couple of times and memory leaks! | Oct 29 15:30 |
| Sosumi | probably due to xquartz | Oct 29 15:31 |
| Sosumi | which is pretty much deprecated | Oct 29 15:31 |
| Sosumi | although the folks on #xquartz say it's fine and dandy | Oct 29 15:31 |
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| MinceR | jwz can't conceive of 'removing OS X' | Oct 29 15:55 |
| MinceR | he lost his mind ages ago | Oct 29 15:55 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 29 15:57 |
| Sosumi | osx died in 2010 | Oct 29 15:57 |
| MinceR | did something change in it then? | Oct 29 15:57 |
| Sosumi | apple killed the whole pro ecosystem that made it worthwhile consider osx over winblows | Oct 29 15:59 |
| *MinceR snickers | Oct 29 15:59 | |
| MinceR | "pro" in the same sentence as "apple" | Oct 29 15:59 |
| Sosumi | well... | Oct 29 15:59 |
| Sosumi | and then came lion in 2011 | Oct 29 16:00 |
| Sosumi | no updates to the macpro | Oct 29 16:00 |
| Sosumi | no xserve replacement | Oct 29 16:01 |
| Sosumi | and then the trashcan | Oct 29 16:01 |
| Sosumi | which from what I've already said here | Oct 29 16:01 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 29 16:01 |
| Sosumi | uses crippled fire pros | Oct 29 16:01 |
| Sosumi | downclocked, less ram from pc counterparts | Oct 29 16:02 |
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| Sosumi | and it's overpriced | Oct 29 16:03 |
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| DaemonFC | Apple has always had this weird thing about not wanting any fans in their system. | Oct 29 16:34 |
| DaemonFC | If you want a fast graphics card, it's going to have a fan | Oct 29 16:34 |
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| MinceR | i agree with not wanting fans in certain systems, but crApple always fucked that up | Oct 29 16:35 |
| MinceR | starting with the crApple III which melted itself | Oct 29 16:36 |
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| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/ios-apps-can-be-hijacked-to-show-fraudulent-content-and-intercept-data/ | Oct 29 16:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | iOS apps can be hijacked to show fraudulent content and intercept data | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fyfzf ] | Oct 29 16:44 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395257223720747008 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395258257486651392 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395260874983997440 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395260977719291904 | Oct 29 17:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Bloodbath Results, Latest Apple Quarter - More evidence of Peak iPhone http://t.co/9D9ivd1dD9 #linux beats #apple hype | Oct 29 17:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Bloodbath Results, Latest Apple Quarter - More evidence of Peak iPhone | Oct 29 17:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Online #Anonymity Is Not Only for Trolls and Political Dissidents https://t.co/du6SsHfMb8 good article, just in time! | Oct 29 17:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.eff.org | Online Anonymity Is Not Only for Trolls and Political Dissidents | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Oct 29 17:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Nvidia Shield embraces Android games by the thousands http://t.co/nRCxYr9SCz #nvidia #games #linux | Oct 29 17:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.cnet.com | Nvidia Shield embraces Android games by the thousands | Mobile - CNET News | Oct 29 17:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Mr. Snowden scores, first major win http://t.co/ndDfcMkh3E | Oct 29 17:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.wired.com | Legislation Unveiled to Bar NSA's Bulk Phone Metadata Collection | Threat Level | Wired.com | Oct 29 17:11 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395262142662053888 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395263378736025600 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395263617278705665 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395266265218310145 | Oct 29 17:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: New #Edubuntu 13.10 review http://t.co/CDx5t28AN5 #gnu #linux #education | Oct 29 17:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> desktoplinuxreviews.com | Edubuntu 13.10 Review: Learning With Ubuntu | Oct 29 17:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: AMD Gizmo SBC gains open source bootloader http://t.co/FjcrJpFx5m #amd #sbc #freesw | Oct 29 17:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> linuxgizmos.com | AMD Gizmo SBC gains open source bootloader · LinuxGizmos.com | Oct 29 17:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Running The Latest GNOME Wayland Shell On Fedora 20 http://t.co/jbMwdUDwTf #gnome #fedora #gnu #linux | Oct 29 17:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Running The Latest GNOME Wayland Shell On Fedora 20 | Oct 29 17:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Is the importance of news determined by the number of people to whom it is potentially interesting? Hint: http://t.co/HaqqZple79 | Oct 29 17:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | Ubuntu 13.10 review: The Linux OS of the future remains a year away | Ars Technica | Oct 29 17:12 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395268303603904513 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395268805230100480 | Oct 29 17:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Starting January 1st, 2014, http://t.co/s1yFA1CGuP will no longer be focused on Linux, Free & Open Source Software" http://t.co/ivzsbNWHQ1 | Oct 29 17:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> penguinpetes.com | Penguin Pete's Home | Oct 29 17:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> penguinpetes.com | Penguin Pete's Blog - It's Been Fun, Linux Community, But It's Time To Move On | Oct 29 17:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Interview: The Fedora Project's Máirín Duffy http://t.co/rZNj70yD25 #fedora #gnu #linux #redhat #art | Oct 29 17:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.montanalinux.org | Interview: The Fedora Project's Máirín Duffy | MontanaLinux.org | Oct 29 17:12 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3226826 | Oct 29 17:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.joindiaspora.com | Interview: The Fe... [ http://ur1.ca/fyg37 ] | Oct 29 17:12 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Same here. I think - however - about giving it another try." | Oct 29 17:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | they don't seem to have addressed the issues I had with them... | Oct 29 17:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226766 | Oct 29 17:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: AMD Gizmo SBC gains open source bootloader http://linuxgizmos.com/amd-gizmo-board-gains-open-source-bootloader/ #amd #sbc #freesw | Oct 29 17:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226766 | Oct 29 17:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Fanless? love iiiit! Go to hell all of you, computer fans! [SIC!] lol" | Oct 29 17:14 |
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| Sosumi | well, phase cooling doesn't need fans | Oct 29 17:18 |
| Sosumi | http://i44.tinypic.com/25znyx0.jpg | Oct 29 17:20 |
| Sosumi | and actually, the trashcan design begs to be phase cooled | Oct 29 17:23 |
| MinceR | it begs to not be cooled. who ever heard of cooling a trashcan? :> | Oct 29 17:24 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 29 17:24 |
| Sosumi | it's the only to keep it from overheating/throtling itself | Oct 29 17:25 |
| Sosumi | while keeping the unified heatsink | Oct 29 17:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226705 | Oct 29 17:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Lets cross our fingers and hope they don't break the law... Again.." | Oct 29 17:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226702 | Oct 29 17:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Ding Ding Ding.... We have a winner..." | Oct 29 17:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Mr. Snowden scores, first major win http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/10/usa-freedom-act/ | Oct 29 17:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Nvidia Shield embraces Android games by the thousands http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57609516-94/nvidia-shield-embraces-android-games-by-the-thousands/ #nvidia #games #linux | Oct 29 17:26 |
| Sosumi | I just wish nvidia sold shield outside the US | Oct 29 17:26 |
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| Sosumi | also, from my math | Oct 29 17:49 |
| Sosumi | the thing maxed may consume a max 700W | Oct 29 17:50 |
| Sosumi | since the psu can only deliver 450W max | Oct 29 17:50 |
| Sosumi | the whole machine'll be competing not just for cooling/throtling but also power | Oct 29 17:51 |
| Sosumi | fail | Oct 29 17:51 |
| Sosumi | it'll be fun to watch for sure | Oct 29 17:58 |
| Sosumi | I just hope some dupe that I know buys one | Oct 29 17:58 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 29 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | A few years ago when an ex moved out, my credit card went missing. I called the card company and cancelled it, but could never prove who did it. | Oct 29 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | I got a phone call from my credit card company yesterday that said that the card had an attempted swipe at a Walmart in Fort Wayne, and that they denied the transaction and called the police. | Oct 29 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | Guess who. | Oct 29 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | So my phone rings again a while later, and it's Scumbag calling from the Allen County jail.....get this....ASKING ME TO COME POST BAIL. | Oct 29 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | So after a good long laugh, I said "I think you just wasted your phone call." and hung up. | Oct 29 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | Made my entire day. | Oct 29 18:00 |
| Sosumi | so I can test the thing instead of having the crapple self defense force tell that it's "magical" while downplaying the facts | Oct 29 18:00 |
| Sosumi | lol | Oct 29 18:01 |
| MinceR | http://www.maximumpc.com/motorola_and_phoneblocks_kick_modular_phone_movement_project_ara2013 | Oct 29 18:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.maximumpc.com | Motorola and Phoneblocks Kick Off Modular Phone Movement with Project Ara | Maximum PC [ http://ur1.ca/fygc5 ] | Oct 29 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | Well, you can have a very powerful, very fast, very LOUD computer. | Oct 29 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | Or you can have a slow one with no fans at all. | Oct 29 18:02 |
| Sosumi | lol | Oct 29 18:02 |
| Sosumi | I can barelly hear my pc | Oct 29 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | I'm certain they crippled the FirePro cards to make a fan unnecessary. | Oct 29 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | for the Trashcan Mac | Oct 29 18:02 |
| MinceR | i suppose you could have a cluster of powerful, loud computers in the basement | Oct 29 18:02 |
| MinceR | and stream graphics from it to fanless ones | Oct 29 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | mine's not really all that loud | Oct 29 18:03 |
| MinceR | my laptops are not nearly as loud as my desktops were | Oct 29 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | the open source radeon driver has full power management support now, including fan speed | Oct 29 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | You have to turn it on with a boot option though | Oct 29 18:03 |
| MinceR | my home server is fanless | Oct 29 18:03 |
| DaemonFC | If you don't, it is very loud. | Oct 29 18:03 |
| MinceR | i've ordered a Raspberry Pi yesterday :) | Oct 29 18:03 |
| Sosumi | lolberry pie :) | Oct 29 18:04 |
| Sosumi | of those small boars the only one that got my attention was that other with the co-processor | Oct 29 18:05 |
| Sosumi | I forgot it's name | Oct 29 18:05 |
| Sosumi | :( | Oct 29 18:05 |
| Sosumi | but I think it's still a kickstarter project | Oct 29 18:05 |
| Sosumi | altera? | Oct 29 18:09 |
| Sosumi | I think that's an asic | Oct 29 18:10 |
| Sosumi | parallella!!! | Oct 29 18:14 |
| Sosumi | that's the thing | Oct 29 18:14 |
| DaemonFC | http://stallman.org/archives/2013-jul-oct.html#29_October_2013_%28British_Children%29 | Oct 29 18:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | stallman.org | 2013: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman [ http://ur1.ca/fygdk ] | Oct 29 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | So, Republicans and Democrats, kind of? | Oct 29 18:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 29 18:15 |
| MinceR | http://gawker.com/christian-science-church-looks-like-a-giant-dick-from-s-1454084292 | Oct 29 18:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | gawker.com | Christian Science Church Looks Like a Giant Dick from Space [ http://ur1.ca/fygdm ] | Oct 29 18:15 |
| Sosumi | lawl | Oct 29 18:16 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B4suxQVUAQ | Oct 29 18:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Austin Powers - It looks like a huge ..... - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fygdp ] | Oct 29 18:16 |
| Sosumi | actually it looks like a turd | Oct 29 18:16 |
| Sosumi | but it's like I said, the only type of board that coould get my blessing is the parallella/adaptiva | Oct 29 18:20 |
| MinceR | nice | Oct 29 18:26 |
| MinceR | will they have cases for it? | Oct 29 18:26 |
| MinceR | oh, they already do | Oct 29 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | Don't say that. | Oct 29 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | Don't touch there. | Oct 29 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | Don't be nasty says the silly bear. | Oct 29 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | He's gonna tell you what's right and wrong. Sexual Harassment....Panda. | Oct 29 18:32 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 29 18:32 |
| Sosumi | cases? I was thinking in building cabinets of 20 | Oct 29 18:36 |
| Sosumi | well at least if the thing is viable | Oct 29 18:36 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 29 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 29 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | a few seconds ago | Oct 29 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | Every once in a while, the government comes along and puts a fig leaf on their nasty energy policies. That's what happened with Cash For Clunkers. | Oct 29 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | It destroyed hundreds of thousands of perfectly operable used vehicles, and helped drive prices of remaining used cars up. Combined with the effect of the recession on the middle class, used car prices went absolutely nuts. | Oct 29 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | In this market, there has always been a trickle down effect, where the poor can only afford to drive a decent used vehicle because the rich and the middle class get tired of what they were driving and sell a car with more than half of its useful service life remaining, and take a bath with the depreciation. | Oct 29 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | Since credit is so tight, and wages are so stagnant, the people that were getting rid of their cars every 5-6 years are running with what they have, and by the time anything makes it into the used car market, it's pretty much finished. | Oct 29 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | I probably looked through over 1,000 vehicles in my price range before I found one that was acceptable. | Oct 29 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | In 2005, a 1995 model sedan was about $2,000. In 2013, a 1995 model sedan is about $2,000. | Oct 29 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | Sure, some of it is due to currency debauchment by a central banking system that exists to transfer wealth to a privileged few in the top 10%, but there are other factors in play here. | Oct 29 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | When the Fed is doing QE, it's debasing every dollar that exists, which theoretically makes the rich poorer too, but it dumps that new money indirectly into the stock market, which more than makes up for their losses. | Oct 29 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | Eventually, they'll let the people that own lots of stocks know when to sell, and they'll let the people who work for a living and have 401(k)s and pension plans take the entire loss. | Oct 29 18:48 |
| Sosumi | lol that's nothing | Oct 29 19:05 |
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| Sosumi | just look at the EU shoving policies down your troat that after 2020 small appliances can't go over 1600W | Oct 29 19:05 |
| Sosumi | and stuff like that | Oct 29 19:05 |
| Sosumi | or about carbon emissions | Oct 29 19:06 |
| Sosumi | trying to add the carbon tax to the circulation tax | Oct 29 19:06 |
| Sosumi | so if you have an old car, doesn't matter the real emissions | Oct 29 19:07 |
| Sosumi | it just has to be old | Oct 29 19:07 |
| Sosumi | they'll gouge | Oct 29 19:07 |
| Sosumi | you | Oct 29 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | Well, usually when the US government mandates something new, it exempts everything currently in use. | Oct 29 19:07 |
| DaemonFC | Like, you can have a 3 gallon per flush toilet in your bathroom as long as it was installed before 1993. | Oct 29 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | But it's illegal to install a new one, or take one out and install it somewhere else. | Oct 29 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | Cars that required leaded gasoline are still legal to operate. You have to pour bottled lead additive into them with each tank. | Oct 29 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | Cars that never had seatbelts don't need to have them installed. | Oct 29 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | People who drive them can't be fined for not wearing their seatbelt. | Oct 29 19:09 |
| Sosumi | yes, taht is the same here | Oct 29 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | It's not a major problem because there are so few of them left that still run. | Oct 29 19:09 |
| MinceR | 000555 < Sosumi> just look at the EU shoving policies down your troat that after 2020 small appliances can't go over 1600W | Oct 29 19:09 |
| MinceR | i wonder how that's going to cripple some of them | Oct 29 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | Well, if it's a reasonable requirement, it's one thing. | Oct 29 19:10 |
| Sosumi | well it'll take more of your time to vaccum your house | Oct 29 19:10 |
| DaemonFC | If it reduces the functionality of the device, that's something else. | Oct 29 19:10 |
| Sosumi | making you waste more energy, etc, etc | Oct 29 19:11 |
| Sosumi | and so goes the carbon emission drama | Oct 29 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | Like if they say "All new air conditioners have to use less than this much electricity." and that's easily achievable with current technology, and they won't perform any worse.... | Oct 29 19:11 |
| DaemonFC | that's fine | Oct 29 19:11 |
| Sosumi | that's called efficiency | Oct 29 19:11 |
| Sosumi | which is good | Oct 29 19:11 |
| Sosumi | but having vague resolutions | Oct 29 19:12 |
| Sosumi | like that one doesn't really help | Oct 29 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | or "all new windows you install in a dwelling have to have a certain energy efficiency rating" | Oct 29 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | They just redid my entire apartment with high efficiency windows and appliances. | Oct 29 19:12 |
| MinceR | all these restrictions make me wonder if they could have just let the market decide | Oct 29 19:12 |
| MinceR | same with lightbulbs | Oct 29 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | Low flow toilet. It actually works. | Oct 29 19:12 |
| MinceR | if the new tech is that good, surely it must win on its own, without it being forced down people's throats | Oct 29 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Well, I think that CFLs were going to dominate anyway once people noticed how much lower their electric bill would have been. | Oct 29 19:13 |
| MinceR | my toilet is way too low flow | Oct 29 19:13 |
| Sosumi | CFLs need to be disposed properly because of the mercury | Oct 29 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | There's certain places where you can't use a CFL bulb though. | Oct 29 19:14 |
| MinceR | it's more of 'wetting' than 'flushing' | Oct 29 19:14 |
| Sosumi | and not many ppl are doing that | Oct 29 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | Like for porch lights. | Oct 29 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | It gets cold outside and they just barely work. | Oct 29 19:14 |
| MinceR | also, they have crap color reproduction | Oct 29 19:14 |
| MinceR | they make certain brown objects look green, for example | Oct 29 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I stockpiled incandescent bulbs for my porch light. | Oct 29 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | I should have enough of them to last indefinitely, even if they have to stop selling them. | Oct 29 19:15 |
| Sosumi | I did the same | Oct 29 19:15 |
| MinceR | then again, there are halogen bulbs available | Oct 29 19:15 |
| MinceR | at least for now | Oct 29 19:15 |
| Sosumi | halogen and the krypton one | Oct 29 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | Eventually, some bureaucrat will decide that you can't have halogen | Oct 29 19:16 |
| Sosumi | :( | Oct 29 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | The market works. Who wants to pay more to use incandescent bulbs everywhere in their house? | Oct 29 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | and if a person DOES want to spend $100 more each year on electricity, shouldn't they be able to? | Oct 29 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | it is their money | Oct 29 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather have the $100. | Oct 29 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 29 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | Government mandates aren't very effective anyway. | Oct 29 19:17 |
| DaemonFC | Everyone is supposed to have car insurance, but only about 60-75% of drivers in your area do. | Oct 29 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | So they sell you extra insurance in case one of them hits you and can't pay. | Oct 29 19:18 |
| DaemonFC | and the cost of the extra insurance goes up if you live in an area with lots of uninsured drivers | Oct 29 19:19 |
| DaemonFC | So in theory, everyone is supposed to have insurance that pays the other guy if they cause the accident. | Oct 29 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | but in practice, you get to buy extra insurance because some people are irresponsible | Oct 29 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | and you're covering your own loss either way | Oct 29 19:20 |
| MinceR | here such insurance is mandatory | Oct 29 19:20 |
| MinceR | but it isn't worth shit | Oct 29 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | Well, they need to pull uninsured drivers out of their car and have them shot. | Oct 29 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | Drunks too. | Oct 29 19:20 |
| MinceR | since the government agency that's supposed to ensure that these insurance companies are reliable is sleeping at the wheel | Oct 29 19:20 |
| DaemonFC | Eventually, people would get the message. | Oct 29 19:21 |
| MinceR | and when shit breaks, they make a lot of drama | Oct 29 19:21 |
| MinceR | instead of doing their own fucking job | Oct 29 19:21 |
| MinceR | oh, and of course, the drivers who were the clients of unreliable companies get the short end of the stick | Oct 29 19:21 |
| MinceR | at this rate, it's idiotic to require it at all | Oct 29 19:21 |
| Sosumi | isohunt is back | Oct 29 19:26 |
| MinceR | yay | Oct 29 19:26 |
| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/not-even-two-weeks-after-shutdown-bittorrent-search-site-isohunt-is-back/ | Oct 29 19:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Not even two weeks after shutdown, BitTorrent search site isoHunt is back | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fygms ] | Oct 29 19:26 |
| Sosumi | http://www.hardocp.com/news/2013/10/29/cellphone_stops_bullet_fired_by_robber/ | Oct 29 19:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.hardocp.com | HARDOCP - Cellphone Stops Bullet Fired By Robber [ http://ur1.ca/fygmw ] | Oct 29 19:28 |
| Sosumi | HTC does what iPhonedon't | Oct 29 19:28 |
| MinceR | it does a lot of things that hypePhones don't | Oct 29 19:28 |
| MinceR | like properly insulate the antenna from the user | Oct 29 19:29 |
| MinceR | and run an open platform | Oct 29 19:29 |
| DaemonFC | http://rt.com/business/muslim-money-britain-bonds-907/ | Oct 29 19:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | rt.com | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/fygo2 ] | Oct 29 19:36 |
| Sosumi | actually that was a comercial | Oct 29 19:37 |
| Sosumi | during the sega genesis time | Oct 29 19:37 |
| Sosumi | Sega does what nintendon't | Oct 29 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | So I looked around for a place to go to get the haircut I wanted this morning. | Oct 29 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | The hair salons that have replaced the old barber shops want like $14.50 now for a simple men's haircut. | Oct 29 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | plus tax | Oct 29 19:38 |
| DaemonFC | I ended up grabbing a coupon out of the paper and taking it to the beauty college. $4 after tax. | Oct 29 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I'll just go there now. | Oct 29 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | Damned women's haircuts... | Oct 29 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | They up the price for men to subsidize the women. | Oct 29 19:39 |
| DaemonFC | The men tend to want something that can be done in 5-6 minutes. The women want something that takes half an hour or more. | Oct 29 19:40 |
| Sosumi | just cut it yourself :) | Oct 29 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | So instead of charging the men $8 and charging the women $30-something, they charge everyone $14.50 | Oct 29 19:40 |
| Sosumi | that's what I tend to do | Oct 29 19:40 |
| Sosumi | hitman haircut is dead easy | Oct 29 19:40 |
| DaemonFC | I got a fade cut. | Oct 29 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | I'm letting the top grow out and I had them do a #1 guard buzz cut on the sides and back. | Oct 29 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | and they blend it in | Oct 29 19:41 |
| DaemonFC | It looks a lot better than just buzzing it all off in the bathroom, which is what I had been doing. | Oct 29 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | Normally I wouldn't care, but I want to make a good impression since I'm attempting to date again. | Oct 29 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | all of a sudden, I have to care what I look like | Oct 29 19:42 |
| DaemonFC | I also stopped using aftershave and started using a facial moisturizer instead. | Oct 29 19:43 |
| Sosumi | isohunt.to is the new link but it doesn't contain a lot of torrents indexed, probably was put there byt the folks doing the backups | Oct 29 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | I'm starting to get to the point where I have to worry about looking too OLD as well. | Oct 29 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | Damn it! | Oct 29 19:43 |
| Sosumi | date... I gave up on that even before trying | Oct 29 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | I'll be 30 in a few months, which is also known as Gay Death. | Oct 29 19:43 |
| Sosumi | ouch | Oct 29 19:43 |
| DaemonFC | because it pretty much ends that era of easy anything you want | Oct 29 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | and you start coming across people who are still alone....for a reason | Oct 29 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | people like me | Oct 29 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | but I don't want people to think I'm a person like me | Oct 29 19:44 |
| DaemonFC | I want to give them a false impression and then once I have them in my trap, unleash the Horrible Truth. | Oct 29 19:45 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 29 19:45 |
| *DaemonFC rubs his hands together and smiles menacingly. | Oct 29 19:45 | |
| Sosumi | lol, everyone has skelies in their closet | Oct 29 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | Gay Marriage is unfolding rapidly in the states. | Oct 29 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | Eventually I'll be able to pull the Married Person Trap. | Oct 29 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | "I married him and then he gained 6-7 pounds every year." | Oct 29 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | "AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!' | Oct 29 19:46 |
| Sosumi | lol | Oct 29 19:46 |
| DaemonFC | "God help me he's going bald and scratching himself in public! What have I done!?!?" | Oct 29 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | "AHHHH!!! AHHHHHH!! AHHHHH!!!!!" | Oct 29 19:47 |
| Sosumi | you've created a monster | Oct 29 19:47 |
| Sosumi | ! | Oct 29 19:47 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, well, I've managed to use some trickery and take at least 5 years off my face. | Oct 29 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | That's a good start. | Oct 29 19:49 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 29 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | I've always been told I look younger than I am anyway. | Oct 29 19:49 |
| Sosumi | I just don't bother | Oct 29 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | Someone at the movie theater even asked to see my high school ID card at one point for a movie discount. | Oct 29 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | That was a serious shot in the arm for my ego. | Oct 29 19:50 |
| DaemonFC | With any luck, by the time I look 30 I'll actually *be* 45. | Oct 29 19:50 |
| Sosumi | unix beard, sometimes in competition with one of my teachers, and typical clothing casual clothing | Oct 29 19:50 |
| Sosumi | nothing special | Oct 29 19:51 |
| MinceR | Sosumi: GNU/Linux does what Windows NT | Oct 29 19:51 |
| DaemonFC | There's like a barbell system in place for most things in life. | Oct 29 19:52 |
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| Sosumi | GNU/Linux does what Windows doN'T | Oct 29 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | It goes from perfect to utter crap really fast with almost nothing in between. | Oct 29 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed this when I was trying to think of a single thing I was ambivalent about. | Oct 29 19:52 |
| MinceR | see also: WindoesN'T Workstation | Oct 29 19:52 |
| DaemonFC | and I immediately had nothing | Oct 29 19:52 |
| Sosumi | and girls really don't care, it's all about appearence, etc | Oct 29 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | gay men are worse | Oct 29 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | much MUCH worse | Oct 29 19:53 |
| Sosumi | I don't facy dudes... | Oct 29 19:53 |
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| DaemonFC | they will chew a straight woman up and spit out her bones when it comes to standards they hold...OTHER PEOPLE to. | Oct 29 19:53 |
| Sosumi | I'm only into eastern european women :) | Oct 29 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | mail order? | Oct 29 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 29 19:55 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 29 19:55 |
| Sosumi | lawl | Oct 29 19:55 |
| Sosumi | yes | Oct 29 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | but then what will MinceR be left with? | Oct 29 19:55 |
| Sosumi | :P | Oct 29 19:55 |
| MinceR | what i find where i emigrate | Oct 29 19:55 |
| Sosumi | there are tons of eastern european women here in portugal | Oct 29 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Come here. | Oct 29 19:55 |
| DaemonFC | Join the fun. | Oct 29 19:55 |
| Sosumi | from ukrania, moldadvia, etc | Oct 29 19:55 |
| MinceR | there will be more | Oct 29 19:55 |
| MinceR | people are fleeing the train wreck that is hungary. | Oct 29 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | "Where I come from we have potatoes and radiation!" | Oct 29 19:56 |
| MinceR | :D | Oct 29 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | Oh my god, way too easy! | Oct 29 19:56 |
| DaemonFC | YES YES YES!!! | Oct 29 19:56 |
| Sosumi | and hulk right? | Oct 29 19:57 |
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| DaemonFC | I found a bottle of this hand lotion that I have to use on my hands and arms anyway in winter. It's the only thing that stops my knuckles from turning red, then cracking and bleeding. | Oct 29 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | I figured, hell, if it does for my face what it does for my hands and arms, this should turn out well. | Oct 29 20:00 |
| DaemonFC | I hate winter. | Oct 29 20:12 |
| DaemonFC | It gets stuffy in here. | Oct 29 20:12 |
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| MinceR | open the windows every now and then. :> | Oct 29 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Oct 29 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | open window | Oct 29 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | throw cat out | Oct 29 20:13 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 29 20:13 |
| DaemonFC | foul smelling beast | Oct 29 20:14 |
| MinceR | that would be surprising | Oct 29 20:14 |
| MinceR | is that cat healthy? | Oct 29 20:16 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah | Oct 29 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | but he's a stinky kitty | Oct 29 20:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/3214/i0ke.png | Oct 29 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | He's never too far away from where I'm at. | Oct 29 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | If I get up to go to the kitchen for a glass of water, he'll follow me. | Oct 29 20:21 |
| DaemonFC | Mom said that when I was gone for a couple of weeks a few years ago, and she was taking care of the cat, he got depressed and barely ate anything. | Oct 29 20:22 |
| MinceR | strange | Oct 29 20:22 |
| MinceR | that's an unusual cat :) | Oct 29 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | I think he likes me. | Oct 29 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | That's strange, because so few living things like me. | Oct 29 20:22 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 29 20:22 |
| MinceR | i mostly only have problems with humans and dogs | Oct 29 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | I've had dogs. | Oct 29 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | my last dog was an australian shepherd/beagle mix. | Oct 29 20:23 |
| DaemonFC | an Australian Beagle Shepherd for lack of a better term, I guess. | Oct 29 20:24 |
| MinceR | "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." | Oct 29 20:25 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't been grocery shopping in almost a month now. | Oct 29 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | I keep going to a fast food restaurant every night. | Oct 29 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | bad habit | Oct 29 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | expensive habit | Oct 29 20:27 |
| MinceR | delicious habit | Oct 29 20:27 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, and a damned fine supervisor that I'm trying to pester into going on an actual date with me | Oct 29 20:28 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 29 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | I asked him if he was doing anything last Saturday. He said he works two jobs. | Oct 29 20:28 |
| DaemonFC | So I might have to keep at this for a while. | Oct 29 20:28 |
| MinceR | gn | Oct 29 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | I keep getting salads there with a side of fries. | Oct 29 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | Their salads aren't bad. | Oct 29 20:29 |
| DaemonFC | I've actually lost another few pounds too. | Oct 29 20:30 |
| DaemonFC | last night I had a chicken BLT cobb salad, fries, and then a few beers, and then I fell asleep in my recliner | Oct 29 20:31 |
| DaemonFC | now, I'm not supposed to have any alcohol with the medication I'm taking, but it just makes me incredibly drowsy | Oct 29 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | that's not a bad side effect when you're an insomniac. | Oct 29 20:32 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Did you hear about the dyslexic devil worshiper? | Oct 29 20:33 |
| DaemonFC | He sold his soul to Santa. | Oct 29 20:33 |
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| MinceR | :> | Oct 29 20:36 |
| MinceR | and the agnostic insomniac stays awake at night, wondering if there's a dog. | Oct 29 20:36 |
| MinceR | oops | Oct 29 20:36 |
| MinceR | also, dyslexic | Oct 29 20:37 |
| MinceR | in there somewhere | Oct 29 20:37 |
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| schestowitz_bed | " Typically this involves an underpowered system, or some kind of embedded system running Mono, and a fancy Mac or PC on the other end. " | Oct 29 21:17 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2013/Oct-29.html | Oct 29 21:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | tirania.org | Debugging Remote Mono Targets - Miguel de Icaza [ http://ur1.ca/fygyz ] | Oct 29 21:17 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3224064 | Oct 29 21:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Coding is automation and automation is the future. You learn to code or | Oct 29 21:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> blogs.telegraph.co.uk | The Government wants to teach all children how to code. Here's why it's a stupid idea – Telegraph Blogs [ http://ur1.ca/fybi2 ] | Oct 29 21:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | "They want to teach them what to code not how." | Oct 29 21:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3225933 | Oct 29 21:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I won the bid for Tux Machines, my favourite site for GNU/Linux news. I will try my best to serve its community well. | Oct 29 21:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | "I am so stoked that'smy favorite website." | Oct 29 21:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://uncrunched.com/2013/10/29/thoughts-on-techcrunch-disrupt/ | Oct 29 21:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | uncrunched.com | Thoughts On TechCrunch Disrupt | Uncrunched [ http://ur1.ca/fyh12 ] | Oct 29 21:36 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Editorial at TechCrunch seems to be completely submissive to sales. If sales wants something, it happens. Way too many sponsors on stage, for example. And the speakers are nearly constantly herded to “VIP events” that are really just sponsor events where sponsors pay to have a captive audience of well known entrepreneurs and venture capitalists. Speakers are being packaged and sold to sponsors, and they are complaining about | Oct 29 21:36 |
| schestowitz_bed | it." | Oct 29 21:36 |
| schestowitz_bed | "TechCrunch should be strong enough to withstand criticism, and I hope they understand that I give this advice out of love, not malice. In any event, I’m not going to participate in the battlefield in the future. " | Oct 29 21:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | "When’s the last time TC broke a story? Seems to be a press release service now." | Oct 29 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | I need to ask my mom to save that beauty college coupon in her newspaper. | Oct 29 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to go back in a couple of weeks and have them touch this up. | Oct 29 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | eventually, the hair on the top will be so much longer than the sides and back, I'll only have to go about once a month. | Oct 29 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | I've had my hair done like this before. | Oct 29 22:04 |
| DaemonFC | lets you grow it out without looking unkempt | Oct 29 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz_bed: Why Mono news? | Oct 29 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder why it's even still being developed. | Oct 29 22:05 |
| DaemonFC | It's certainly not storming the world of desktop programs. | Oct 29 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | It more or less failed to advance on GNOME, now that Novell is not really backing GNOME, and Red Hat is. | Oct 29 22:06 |
| DaemonFC | It never had a single application in KDE/Qt as far as I know. | Oct 29 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | Who is using it for what these days? | Oct 29 22:07 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.infowars.com/only-debt-slavery-into-perpetuity-will-save-us/ | Oct 29 22:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infowars.com | » Only Debt Slavery Into Perpetuity Will Save Us Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! [ http://ur1.ca/fyh4p ] | Oct 29 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | Keynesian economics works for a while. | Oct 29 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | It works until it doesn't work and then it really doesn't work. | Oct 29 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | Then it starts creating all kinds of problems that you didn't have before. | Oct 29 22:17 |
| DaemonFC | As brilliant as RMS is, you'd think he'd catch on. | Oct 29 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | He promotes deficit spending to increase the size of the economy. | Oct 29 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | The rich have plenty of money. Quit borrowing and tax them. | Oct 29 22:18 |
| DaemonFC | Sometimes government spending does help, but what's borrowed today has to be paid back tomorrow. | Oct 29 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | It's like saying that since I have a $10,000 limit on my credit card, that I can have a really great month, and then not speak of what happens later. | Oct 29 22:19 |
| DaemonFC | What the government is doing right now is like loading up the credit card when it has access to plenty of money to cover everything it wants to spend on. | Oct 29 22:20 |
| Sosumi | globalism has failed | Oct 30 01:44 |
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| Snowleaksange | judging by price of pair of socks? | Oct 30 02:15 |
| DaemonFC | well, you can save a buck on a pack of socks at Walmart, but a fat bunch of good that's going to do when the mortgage bill arrives and you have no job. | Oct 30 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | how much things cost only matter if you have money to spend | Oct 30 02:20 |
| DaemonFC | we're getting to the point where making stuff cheaper doesn't help sales because so many people can' | Oct 30 02:23 |
| DaemonFC | *can't afford anything at all | Oct 30 02:23 |
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| iophk | http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/security/62085-38-million-adobe-users-hacked-not-3-million | Oct 30 03:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itwire.com | 38 million Adobe users hacked, not 3 million [ http://ur1.ca/fyiaq ] | Oct 30 03:35 |
| iophk | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2426535,00.asp | Oct 30 03:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.pcmag.com | William Lowe, IBM PC Architect, Dead at 72 | News & Opinion | PCMag.com [ http://ur1.ca/fyibh ] | Oct 30 03:39 |
| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-founders-hacking-case-rejected-by-supreme-court-131029/ | Oct 30 03:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Pirate Bay Founder’s Extradition Looms After Supreme Court Rejection | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/fyic2 ] | Oct 30 03:43 |
| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/29/bitcoin-forgotten-currency-norway-oslo-home | Oct 30 03:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Man buys $27 of bitcoin, forgets about them, finds they're now worth $886k | Technology | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fyicj ] | Oct 30 03:46 |
| iophk | However, once lost, bitcoins cannot be replaced. | Oct 30 03:47 |
| iophk | http://www.infoworld.com/t/macbooks/the-mac-the-pc-its-all-downhill-here-229677 | Oct 30 03:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | For the Mac, like the PC, it's all downhill from here | Macbooks - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fyicr ] | Oct 30 03:48 |
| MinceR | "(if you believe IDC)" "(if you believe Gartner)" -- so what if i don't believe either of them? | Oct 30 03:50 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Oct 30 05:14 |
| iophk | Interesting business plan : https://stable.mtier.org/subscriptions | Oct 30 05:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | stable.mtier.org | M:Tier · Stable packages and binpatches | Oct 30 05:57 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3228777 | Oct 30 06:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Man buys $27 of bitcoin, forgets about them, finds they're now worth $886k http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/29/bitcoin-forgotten-currency-norway-oslo-home #bitcoin | Oct 30 06:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Damn! Lucky bastard!" | Oct 30 06:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395489391202029568 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395489784074100736 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395491013068075008 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395491160632090624 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395491812091392000 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395494495531589632 | Oct 30 06:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: For the Mac, like the PC, it's all downhill from here http://t.co/shIHC7YjOQ #gnu #linux a victor | Oct 30 06:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Man buys $27 of bitcoin, forgets about them, finds they're now worth $886k http://t.co/WBxdT7FqhH #bitcoin | Oct 30 06:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Svartholm "involvement in a breach at the Nordea bank could not be proven." http://t.co/gsYsUw04xA punished anyway | Oct 30 06:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: On buying Tux Machines http://t.co/FnB6OT3Hk9 | Oct 30 06:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Tux Machines | Oct 30 06:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Return to GNU/Linux Advocacy http://t.co/auNNMcwlDK #gnu #linux #vista8 | Oct 30 06:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Return to GNU/Linux Advocacy | Techrights | Oct 30 06:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Richard Stallman on Bank Injustices http://t.co/Ryo8VGnv75 #rms #fsf #gnu #finance | Oct 30 06:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> bytesmedia.co.uk | Bytes Media - Richard Stallman on Bank Injustices | Oct 30 06:27 |
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| schestowitz_bed | hi carlos_ | Oct 30 07:11 |
| carlos_ | Hello roy | Oct 30 07:19 |
| iophk | http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2013/10/29/google-plus/3296017/ | Oct 30 07:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.usatoday.com | Google's social network sees 58% jump in users [ http://ur1.ca/fyj7h ] | Oct 30 07:24 |
| iophk | That's because logging into any Google service pushes G+ | Oct 30 07:24 |
| iophk | if you make a wrong click, you get signed up. | Oct 30 07:24 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 30 07:27 |
| MinceR | plus GFail started running javascript from all sorts of domains | Oct 30 07:27 |
| MinceR | even googleanalytics.com | Oct 30 07:27 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/395511627455295488 | Oct 30 07:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz FYI I can't connect to your site at all at the moment... | Oct 30 07:35 |
| schestowitz_bed | There are some access issues; some IPs cannot reach it at certain times, still investigating this... | Oct 30 07:35 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395503714414653440 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395508092815032320 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395514076388151296 | Oct 30 07:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Copyright Monopoly Against Society: Latest Examples http://t.co/oyEWw6Bt9W #copyright #monopoly | Oct 30 07:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Copyright Monopoly Against Society: Latest Examples | Techrights | Oct 30 07:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Online Anonymity is Extremely Important http://t.co/BXJ6gJGmDR #anonymity #freespeech | Oct 30 07:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Online Anonymity is Extremely Important | Techrights | Oct 30 07:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Retribution Against Activists http://t.co/GhVEFRedML #activism #dissent | Oct 30 07:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Retribution Against Activists | Techrights | Oct 30 07:37 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395519981309681665 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395529623871967233 | Oct 30 08:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Apple is the Kingdom of Censorship, Deletes and Silences Even Its Own Fans http://t.co/lkuUQ5hjad #censorship #apple | Oct 30 08:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Apple is the Kingdom of Censorship, Deletes and Silences Even Its Own Fans | Techrights | Oct 30 08:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: British Prime Minister David Cameron Takes His War on Press Freedom Even Further, Japan Follows Suit http://t.co/RJrCu0OZAH #uk #japan | Oct 30 08:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | British Prime Minister David Cameron Takes His War on Press Freedom Even Further, Japan Follows Suit | Techrights | Oct 30 08:57 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395535202988359680 | Oct 30 08:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Richard Stallman on Bankruptcies http://t.co/bA7UU5gMLV #finance #economy | Oct 30 08:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Richard Stallman on Bankruptcies | Oct 30 08:58 |
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| iophk | http://falkvinge.net/2013/10/30/so-was-angela-merkel-a-terrorist-or-a-pedophile/ | Oct 30 09:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | falkvinge.net | So was Angela Merkel a terrorist or a pedophile? - Falkvinge on Infopolicy [ http://ur1.ca/fyjnp ] | Oct 30 09:05 |
| MinceR | https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rNM6IONLA9M/Uga24RCHijI/AAAAAAABEfk/N1AowZ8Cbwo/w720-h467-no/13+-+1 | Oct 30 09:08 |
| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/man-sues-dhs-nsa-for-the-right-to-parody-them-on-mugs-t-shirts/ | Oct 30 09:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Man sues DHS, NSA for the right to parody them on mugs, T-shirts | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fyjob ] | Oct 30 09:08 |
| iophk | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2057938/microsoft-apple-is-to-blame-for-reports-of-poor-windows-battery-life.html | Oct 30 09:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.pcworld.com | Microsoft: Apple is to blame for reports of poor Windows battery life | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fyjps ] | Oct 30 09:16 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395539087387414528 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395539369739964416 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395539669628497920 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395539737647517696 | Oct 30 09:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Glenn Greenwald: "Dick Cheney Engaged In Some Of The Most Radical & Criminal Conduct In The U.S.!" https://t.co/80yyq0lUyq | Oct 30 09:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | Glenn Greenwald "Dick Cheney Engaged In Some Of The Most Radical & Criminal Conduct In The U.S.!" - YouTube | Oct 30 09:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: So was Angela Merkel a terrorist or a pedophile? http://t.co/kyb8EZRNGM #merkel #nsa | Oct 30 09:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: ATM in #germany https://t.co/4fs8nKUzFb | Oct 30 09:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Man sues DHS, NSA for the right to parody them on mugs, T-shirts http://t.co/gizjdHxg2W #nhs #nsa | Oct 30 09:18 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395540693927886848 | Oct 30 09:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: micro soft, MEGA hoard http://t.co/CnvYhS75T0 | Oct 30 09:20 |
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| MinceR | http://images.cdn.bigcartel.com/bigcartel/product_images/123407067/max_h-1000+max_w-1000/CHRISTSWALLOWER.jpg | Oct 30 10:24 |
| Sosumi | intel foundries to start making arm processors to quallomm, nvidia, etc by 2014 | Oct 30 10:33 |
| Sosumi | *for | Oct 30 10:33 |
| Sosumi | and have a look at the blueprints :) | Oct 30 10:34 |
| iophk | http://www.itworld.com/hardware/380681/taiwan-protests-apple-maps-show-island-province-china | Oct 30 10:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itworld.com | Taiwan protests Apple maps that show island as province of China | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/fyk7e ] | Oct 30 10:37 |
| MinceR | strange | Oct 30 10:38 |
| MinceR | after they sold XScale to Marvell | Oct 30 10:38 |
| MinceR | (probably one of their dumbest moves, besides declaring from the start that IA-64 was only intended for a limited audience) | Oct 30 10:39 |
| Sosumi | well, probably they want to get taps on other's design in order to reverse engineer/copy | Oct 30 10:40 |
| Sosumi | http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanbaptiste/2013/10/29/exclusive-intel-opens-fabs-to-arm-chips/ | Oct 30 10:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.forbes.com | Exclusive: Intel Opens Fabs To ARM Chips - Forbes [ http://ur1.ca/fyk7s ] | Oct 30 10:40 |
| Sosumi | also my compaq armada m700 has finally decided to die after 15 years | Oct 30 10:41 |
| Sosumi | today it just decided that it was time to show everything fuzzy on screen | Oct 30 10:42 |
| MinceR | CRT? | Oct 30 10:42 |
| Sosumi | no laptop | Oct 30 10:42 |
| MinceR | strange | Oct 30 10:43 |
| Sosumi | yep, and it had been going strong after all these years | Oct 30 10:44 |
| Sosumi | now I'm the market for a new laptop, but things available aren't that good | Oct 30 10:59 |
| Sosumi | or solid | Oct 30 10:59 |
| Sosumi | outside the mobile workstation market, which I don't need since I don't do CAD | Oct 30 11:00 |
| Sosumi | the only nice laptops available and that aren't overpriced are the asus g series | Oct 30 11:00 |
| Sosumi | everything else either looks to finicky or tries to copy the crapbook pro | Oct 30 11:01 |
| Sosumi | including the defficient cooling | Oct 30 11:01 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | http://rt.com/news/fidel-slams-report-snowden-107/ | Oct 30 11:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | rt.com | ‘Lie & libel’! Fidel Castro slams report Cuba blocked Snowden flight — RT News [ http://ur1.ca/fyke4 ] | Oct 30 11:10 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395567079333847040 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395567385924886528 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395568193525522432 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395568920897531904 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395569413673746433 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395569534524211200 | Oct 30 11:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Hardware issues messed up #Thunderbird for me (seems like file corruption); slow at scrolling and startup, takes almost 1GB of RAM | Oct 30 11:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "First migrants and recent immigrants were rounded up from Greece's streets and forced into internment camps" http://t.co/2eWNd6GqZa | Oct 30 11:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> act.watchdog.net | Tell EU Member States: Save Greek "undesirables" from internment camps! | Oct 30 11:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Record number of nations oppose US embargo of Cuba in UN vote http://t.co/ZcZ0GNRizp #cuba #sanction | Oct 30 11:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> rt.com | NO TITLE | Oct 30 11:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: We Have Been Misled By An Erroneous Map Of The World For 500 Years http://t.co/YJstFtFKCu #africa | Oct 30 11:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.upworthy.com | We Have Been Misled By An Erroneous Map Of The World For 500 Years | Oct 30 11:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: WIntel replaces with WIn with Lin http://t.co/GmVhHxIfUD #android #linux | Oct 30 11:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Taiwan protests Apple maps that show island as province of China http://t.co/9uO2VQK2LT #taiwan #rpc #china | Oct 30 11:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3229549 | Oct 30 11:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: WIntel replaces with WIn with Lin http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanbaptiste/2013/10/29/exclusive-intel-opens-fabs-to-arm-chips/ #android #linux | Oct 30 11:29 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "These ARM chips -- will they be going through the back-door-insertion line for NSA?" | Oct 30 11:29 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | The intel' community... | Oct 30 11:29 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | server rejects connections at random | Oct 30 11:31 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | something odd at techrights now | Oct 30 11:31 |
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| lirodon | nice job Mozilla, endorsing non-free video formats | Oct 30 11:42 |
| lirodon | but getting Cisco to split the bill | Oct 30 11:43 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | where? | Oct 30 11:48 |
| iophk | http://gigaom.com/2013/10/30/mozilla-will-add-h-264-to-firefox-as-cisco-makes-eleventh-hour-push-for-webrtcs-future/ | Oct 30 11:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | gigaom.com | Mozilla will add H.264 to Firefox as Cisco makes eleventh-hour push for WebRTC’s future — Tech News and Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/fykmb ] | Oct 30 11:54 |
| iophk | Firefox has also taken out the ability to stop animated GIFs | Oct 30 11:55 |
| iophk | Probably something to do with ads. | Oct 30 11:55 |
| iophk | The old firefox would stop the animation if you pressed ESC | Oct 30 11:56 |
| iophk | About the proprietary codecs, the article says "Cisco’s message to developers now is: “Don’t worry about those fees; we’ll foot the bill.”" | Oct 30 11:56 |
| iophk | Unfortunately, it is not the developers who would be paying, but the users. Patents are on usage not distribution. | Oct 30 11:57 |
| iophk | So Cisco is presenting a strawman. | Oct 30 11:57 |
| iophk | Couldn't Google and Mozilla Foundation work together and support open video? | Oct 30 11:58 |
| iophk | Together they have pretty much the whole market, at least where it counts. | Oct 30 11:58 |
| MinceR | so mozilla is next to betray the open web | Oct 30 12:04 |
| MinceR | we do not only need a new w3c, we also need a new mozilla. | Oct 30 12:04 |
| iophk | Basically. | Oct 30 12:04 |
| iophk | Mozilla also put Bong in Thunderbird | Oct 30 12:05 |
| MinceR | this is a fucked up world. | Oct 30 12:05 |
| iophk | stabbing both the users and Google | Oct 30 12:05 |
| iophk | There's an add-on to remove bong but you have to go out of your way to get it. | Oct 30 12:06 |
| iophk | I'm not quite sure how you would deploy it to a large site with 1000's of users. | Oct 30 12:06 |
| iophk | If Mozilla had wanted to make a point with Thunderbird, instead of stabbing everyone with Bong they could have swapped in DDG or Startpage | Oct 30 12:09 |
| lirodon | iophk: "bong?" | Oct 30 12:11 |
| iophk | no need to give it more marketshare by spelling it correctly | Oct 30 12:11 |
| iophk | The H.264 support is going to be in binary modules: | Oct 30 12:12 |
| iophk | https://brendaneich.com/2013/10/ciscos-h-264-good-news/ | Oct 30 12:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | brendaneich.com | Cisco’s H.264 Good News | Brendan Eich [ http://ur1.ca/fykox ] | Oct 30 12:12 |
| lirodon | “The Thunderbird default list of search engines reflects the agreements and authorizations we have with their respective owners. We do not have such agreement or authorization from Google.” | Oct 30 12:13 |
| iophk | which in all likelihood only run on certain architectures. | Oct 30 12:13 |
| lirodon | so you need authorization to link to a website | Oct 30 12:13 |
| lirodon | or is Google not paying enough. | Oct 30 12:13 |
| iophk | probably not paying enough | Oct 30 12:13 |
| iophk | but they could have made their point by going with DDG or Startpage | Oct 30 12:14 |
| iophk | there would be less damage that way | Oct 30 12:14 |
| iophk | with the codecs, blobs not only lock into specific hardware and OSes, they can easily contain malware and backdoors | Oct 30 12:14 |
| iophk | maybe that is what it is really about, putting backdoors into video playback | Oct 30 12:14 |
| MinceR | lirodon: bìng | Oct 30 12:15 |
| lirodon | I figured | Oct 30 12:15 |
| MinceR | http://www.brandinfection.com/2009/05/29/bing-means-disease-in-chinese/ | Oct 30 12:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.brandinfection.com | Bing Means Disease In Chinese | BRAND INFECTION [ http://ur1.ca/11kyl ] | Oct 30 12:15 |
| iophk | "Firefox will automatically download and install the appropriate binary module onto each user’s machine when needed" | Oct 30 12:15 |
| iophk | binary == tied to specific OS and architecture | Oct 30 12:16 |
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| MinceR | to avoid promoting the name, we could also spell it 病 | Oct 30 12:16 |
| iophk | fear of ARM and MIPS maybe? | Oct 30 12:17 |
| iophk | LOL | Oct 30 12:17 |
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| iophk | I don't get why Mozilla doesn't just focus on unencumbered codecs. | Oct 30 12:25 |
| iophk | It saves work and money in the long run. | Oct 30 12:25 |
| MinceR | maybe they got bribed | Oct 30 12:25 |
| iophk | Using H.264 will just fragment the web and spread content that is not open or portable. | Oct 30 12:25 |
| MinceR | or they got scared that lusers will switch to browsers that ship H.264 | Oct 30 12:26 |
| iophk | Nothing's out there in H.264 yet is there? | Oct 30 12:26 |
| iophk | So maybe bribery or other manipulation went on. | Oct 30 12:26 |
| MinceR | doesn't youtube use it a lot already? | Oct 30 12:26 |
| iophk | I though Youtube was heading towards HTML5 officially | Oct 30 12:27 |
| lirodon | HTML5 and WebM | Oct 30 12:28 |
| lirodon | or H.264 | Oct 30 12:28 |
| iophk | What are Cisco's ties to Intel? What kind of CPUs do they use nowadays in their over-priced networking gear? | Oct 30 12:29 |
| iophk | http://blogs.cisco.com/collaboration/open-source-h-264-removes-barriers-webrtc | Oct 30 12:32 |
| iophk | "We hope and believe that this step of open-sourcing our H.264 codec will enable the industry to move forward on WebRTC a" | Oct 30 12:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | blogs.cisco.com | Open-Sourced H.264 Removes Barriers to WebRTC [ http://ur1.ca/fyjxg ] | Oct 30 12:32 |
| iophk | How does a blob equate to FOSS? | Oct 30 12:32 |
| iophk | It's looking like the distribution might be restricted to Cisco. There needs to be some followup to see if regular Linux distros can package the source and their own binaries on their own repos. | Oct 30 12:34 |
| MinceR | HTML5 can use H.264, afaik | Oct 30 12:37 |
| iophk | On of the PR folk from Cisco is in the blog comments. | Oct 30 12:38 |
| iophk | " In order for Cisco to be responsible for the MPEG LA licensing royalties for the module, Cisco must provide the packaging and distribution of this code in a binary module format (think of it like a plug-in, but not using the same APIs as existing plugins), in addition to several other constraints. This gives the community the best of all worlds – a team can choose to use the source code, in which case the team is responsible for paying all app | Oct 30 12:38 |
| MinceR | also, patent-encumbered open source is useless nonfree crap in many important markets | Oct 30 12:38 |
| iophk | It's non-free and will not be available for all architectures, according to one of her earlier comments. | Oct 30 12:39 |
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| iophk | All though, I'd like to see the limits pushed. Software patents do not apply in Europe, so European based distros could conceivably provide a version of the codec. | Oct 30 12:40 |
| iophk | A distro so good that it's banned in the US. | Oct 30 12:40 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't like to see the limits pushed on the web | Oct 30 12:40 |
| MinceR | they should get their paws off the web already | Oct 30 12:40 |
| iophk | other limits | Oct 30 12:41 |
| iophk | the web should stay open | Oct 30 12:41 |
| iophk | but this stupidity with software patents needs to end | Oct 30 12:41 |
| iophk | by hosting the codecs in the US they are applying sw patents | Oct 30 12:42 |
| iophk | if the codecs are hosted outside the US then the patents do not apply | Oct 30 12:42 |
| iophk | there were similar restrictions on munitions^Wencryption a few years back | Oct 30 12:42 |
| lirodon | p.s. Microsoft released a patch to fix that secure boot shaming "feature" | Oct 30 12:42 |
| iophk | so many things were not available from US sites. | Oct 30 12:43 |
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| iophk | lirodon: removed the watermark? | Oct 30 12:43 |
| lirodon | allegedly. though some people on WinBeta said it caused stability issues | Oct 30 12:43 |
| iophk | the OS itself causes stability issues. | Oct 30 12:44 |
| iophk | it has always been like that :> | Oct 30 12:44 |
| lirodon | http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-81-secureboot-isnt-configured-correctly-watermark-finally-removed-hotfix | Oct 30 12:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.winbeta.org | Windows 8.1 'SecureBoot isn't configured correctly' watermark finally removed via hotfix | WinBeta [ http://ur1.ca/fykva ] | Oct 30 12:44 |
| iophk | http://xiphmont.livejournal.com/61927.html | Oct 30 12:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | xiphmont.livejournal.com | Monty Montgomery - Comments on Cisco, Mozilla, and H.264 [ http://ur1.ca/fykvj ] | Oct 30 12:46 |
| iophk | The Cisco deal makes web users more hostage to closed codecs by making them more widespread. | Oct 30 12:48 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | jono_: re http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/10/26/bad-voltage/ | Oct 30 12:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.jonobacon.org | Bad Voltage | jonobacon@home [ http://ur1.ca/fykw3 ] | Oct 30 12:50 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Bryan Lunduke is FOSS-hostile | Oct 30 12:50 |
| jono_ | schestowitz_bed2, :-) | Oct 30 12:50 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | AFAIK | Oct 30 12:50 |
| jono_ | schestowitz_bed2, I don't think he is | Oct 30 12:50 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | fair enough | Oct 30 12:50 |
| jono_ | I think he has his heart in the right place | Oct 30 12:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | but anyway, I'll be listening a bit | Oct 30 12:51 |
| jono_ | but I think he is critical of RMS | Oct 30 12:51 |
| jono_ | nice! | Oct 30 12:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | I listed to your previous show | Oct 30 12:51 |
| jono_ | schestowitz_bed2, hope you enjoy it :-) | Oct 30 12:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | before it ended | Oct 30 12:51 |
| jono_ | ahhh Shot Of Jaq? | Oct 30 12:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | yes, very critical of FSF in general | Oct 30 12:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | yes, | Oct 30 12:51 |
| jono_ | yep | Oct 30 12:51 |
| jono_ | I know his critical of the FSF | Oct 30 12:51 |
| jono_ | but I think he is supportive of Free Software | Oct 30 12:52 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Maybe he softened | Oct 30 12:52 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | was very rude about it some years ago | Oct 30 12:52 |
| jono_ | schestowitz_bed2, Bryan is definitely animated | Oct 30 12:55 |
| jono_ | he is not everyone's cup of tea | Oct 30 12:55 |
| jono_ | but I think he brings an interesting perspective to the show | Oct 30 12:55 |
| jono_ | we want Bad Voltage to be a bit like the Top Gear of the podcast world :-) | Oct 30 12:55 |
| jono_ | schestowitz_bed2, there is an interesting segment about FLOSS social networks on the show | Oct 30 12:55 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | there's diaspora, identica is almost defunct now | Oct 30 12:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | reddit and others are hardly foss-oriented | Oct 30 12:57 |
| msb_ | Hi folks! Regarding this Cisco H264 business, the article says Cisco will make their source code available. So why would people have to rely on binary blobs? Also, will web videos using this be downloadable by (presumably upgraded) VideoDownloadHelper? I have no interest in watching a video -- like some passive moron --that I can't download and save. | Oct 30 13:12 |
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| lirodon | msb_: you don't get Cisco's patent covenant if you compile it yourself | Oct 30 13:13 |
| msb_ | Sorry if I'm not understanding the basics here. | Oct 30 13:13 |
| lirodon | Cisco is basically paying everyone's patent fees. but only if you use their binary | Oct 30 13:14 |
| msb_ | So if I download the source and compilation instructions from some rogue website, like where we all get dvdcss, then I'm a naughty boy? | Oct 30 13:15 |
| msb_ | But in actuality nobody will give a crap? | Oct 30 13:16 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "@jonsmirl:disqus Sorry for confusion. To put things in context, Mr Shuttleworth called the larger open source community (those who opposed MIR) as the Tea Party of Open Source…" | Oct 30 13:16 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "That was a poor analogy he used. The main objection to Mir is the contributor’s agreement where you sign over rights to Canonical which lets them resell your work under closed licenses. Of course Intel, Redhat, etc were newer going to sign that hence they nixed the Mir code." | Oct 30 13:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Oct 30 13:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Just like to point out the surveillance started long before the Tea Party existed. And since the Tea Party has very little true power in Congress they weren’t the people that approved it either. | Oct 30 13:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | The correct people to blame are the established leaders of both parties since similar operations were done when both parties were in control. | Oct 30 13:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Oct 30 13:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "Was Canonical not aware that it won’t get support from all these vendors? If not then they are too naive to be in the field. If they did know yet went ahead with it then the deliberately did it then what they wanted to achieve – create rift within the free software community?" | Oct 30 13:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | http://www.muktware.com/2013/10/ubuntus-mark-shuttleworth-wins-austrias-big-brother-award/15265 | Oct 30 13:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.muktware.com | Ubuntu's Mark Shuttleworth wins Austria's Big Brother Award | Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/fyl1j ] | Oct 30 13:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Oct 30 13:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | There were totally aware of what they are doing. All of this is centered around Canonical selling ‘Ubuntu Phone OS”. | Oct 30 13:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge/x/1575657 | Oct 30 13:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.indiegogo.com | Ubuntu Edge | Indiegogo [ http://ur1.ca/eqh95 ] | Oct 30 13:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Oct 30 13:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "What Ubuntu did was unprecedented I don’t need to have all the files on my hard drive scanned by someone so they can offer better search results that’s is absurd. My suspension tells me that there is more to it then trying to offer better search results. I guess censoring the web is not enough for big brother they also wants to censor what is on our hard drives too using file dna software. Now I know why Ubuntu is the | Oct 30 13:18 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | official OS of China where Internet control is considered more extensive and more advanced than in any other country in the world. The governmental authorities not only block website content but also monitor the Internet access of individuals and now thanks to Ubuntu they also monitor your harddrive content. All you anti-corruption journalist of China brace yourself here comes the hard drive police" | Oct 30 13:18 |
| msb_ | OK, Roy, does this now make Ubuntu more evil than Suse? | Oct 30 13:18 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | no | Oct 30 13:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | not evil at all | Oct 30 13:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | just in need of disable by default | Oct 30 13:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | because users ask for it | Oct 30 13:19 |
| msb_ | It just occurred to me that if Suse/Microsoft did fund and guide the KDE4 team into producing a lousy KDE4 (as I was told), maybe that's why Suse is the only distro that still offers KDE3 -- guilty conscience, trying to make up for the damage they did. | Oct 30 13:24 |
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| lirodon | I don't think KDE 4 is that bad. | Oct 30 13:32 |
| lirodon | At least its still similar to KDE 3 in places, and they didn't re-invent the wheel like GNOME 3 did | Oct 30 13:32 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3230015 | Oct 30 13:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide, Snowden documents say http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-infiltrates-links-to-yahoo-google-data-centers-worldwide-snowden-documents-say/2013/10/30/e51d661e-4166-11e3-8b74-d89d714ca4dd_story.html avoid US Net companies | Oct 30 13:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.washingtonpost.com | NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide, Snowden documents say - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/fykvb ] | Oct 30 13:45 |
| schestowitz | "Was just reading this at this point we must assume that the NSA is a hostile organisation." | Oct 30 13:45 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395606363310936064 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395606824197820416 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395607620150915072 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395608150708998145 | Oct 30 13:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Internet and Egypt https://t.co/wukxKmM5h7 | Oct 30 13:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide, Snowden documents say http://t.co/lUpDb0dn0i avoid US Net companies | Oct 30 13:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Do the people of Honduras have the right to elect their own president and congress?" http://t.co/qQ4m8pgHPe No! #nsa #cia #espionage | Oct 30 13:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.counterpunch.org | Obama’s Betrayal of Honduras » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names | Oct 30 13:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Debt lobbying https://t.co/O5BfP10NbK | Oct 30 13:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://31.media.tumblr.com/28554fba220b9797dc1457470b6067aa/tumblr_mv540jeB4Z1rves7ho1_400.gif | Oct 30 14:07 |
| schestowitz | nj3ma: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/337629 | Oct 30 14:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.digitaljournal.com | Atheists can be jailed in Kentucky for not acknowledging God [ http://ur1.ca/fyld6 ] | Oct 30 14:08 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: for you that was | Oct 30 14:08 |
| schestowitz | bible belt | Oct 30 14:08 |
| schestowitz | do they call it a belt because you get whipped for not believing? | Oct 30 14:09 |
| schestowitz | http://img9.joyreactor.com/pics/post/adulthood-929379.jpeg | Oct 30 14:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395611699845533696 | Oct 30 14:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 'Glamour' http://t.co/LmtsMYtxCB | Oct 30 14:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | Photoshop makes anything possible - YouTube | Oct 30 14:10 |
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| lirodon | No, its wrong. | Oct 30 14:46 |
| lirodon | The law says that their department of security has to post a plaque crediting "almighty god" for their commonwealth's safety/security | Oct 30 14:46 |
| msb_ | lirodon: For me, the KDE4 devs reinvented (and messed up) the UI to the point where it's unpleasant to use. But the main problem is that in the virtual-desktop-pager (switcher) applet, you can't see the names of the desktops in the pager buttons, as they are obscured by unremovable window outline rectangles (for all the windows in each desktop). | Oct 30 14:55 |
| msb_ | lirodon: Virtual desktops are one of my favorite features -- I use all 20 of them. So this is a show-stopper for me for KDE4. | Oct 30 14:56 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: outrageous | Oct 30 15:02 |
| msb_ | lirodon: Fortunately these folks have forked KDE3, and provide versions for various distros: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ | Oct 30 15:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.trinitydesktop.org | Trinity Desktop Environment | Oct 30 15:03 |
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| msb_ | However, they refuse to adopt Carrie-Anne Moss as their avatar. | Oct 30 15:06 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 30 15:07 |
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| Snowleaksange | omfg the NSA spied TOO much | Oct 30 15:46 |
| schestowitz | nice name | Oct 30 16:13 |
| schestowitz | Just watched the 'black' version of Karate Kid (2010, Will Smith's son), not so bad the acting... but lots of stereotypes in this BS film | Oct 30 16:14 |
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| MinceR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDfMBd7FyZU | Oct 30 16:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Bad Religion - New dark ages (video) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fyma6 ] | Oct 30 16:33 |
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| msb_ | MinceR: Wow, that New Dark Ages video is great! But while the flashplayer is showing 480p, the best I can get with VideoDownloadHelper is 360p. The 480p download has no sound. | Oct 30 17:01 |
| MinceR | strange | Oct 30 17:01 |
| msb_ | It's been like that for a few months now. | Oct 30 17:01 |
| msb_ | I guess I can combine the sound from the 360p and the video from the 480p using mencoder. | Oct 30 17:02 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/ZghUJQX.jpg | Oct 30 17:05 |
| msb_ | This morning I checked my Fish With Black Bean Sauce takeout with a geiger counter. It was normal. But I don't know which ocean the fish came from. | Oct 30 17:05 |
| MinceR | are you sure they came from an ocean, though? | Oct 30 17:06 |
| msb_ | As the Antichrist, I think he understood it all too well. | Oct 30 17:06 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 30 17:06 |
| MinceR | i thought he was the Ant-Christ, not the Antichrist | Oct 30 17:07 |
| msb_ | Where else? Aren't fish farms in the ocean, just demarcated by nets? | Oct 30 17:07 |
| MinceR | i don't know | Oct 30 17:08 |
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| msb_ | I think people have tried bug spray on him, but it didn't do anything. | Oct 30 17:09 |
| msb_ | I think the fish is cod, but it lives in both oceans. | Oct 30 17:10 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 30 17:10 |
| msb_ | Maybe I'll take the GM to costco and run it over all the different fish. | Oct 30 17:11 |
| MinceR | do they allow cars in there? :> | Oct 30 17:11 |
| msb_ | gamma will certainly come thru the plastic wrap, don't know about alpha and beta | Oct 30 17:12 |
| MinceR | i think it will stop alpha but not beta | Oct 30 17:12 |
| MinceR | though beta might depend on how thick the wrap is | Oct 30 17:12 |
| msb_ | dunno, but when I asked if they serve crabs there they said, "We serve everybody, what would you like?" | Oct 30 17:13 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 30 17:14 |
| msb_ | These air radiation readings look normal, as does mine, 60 miles S of San Francisco http://www.radiationnetwork.com/ | Oct 30 17:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.radiationnetwork.com | Radiation Network | Oct 30 17:16 |
| Sosumi | http://hothardware.com/News/Google-Nexus-5-Posts-Best-Gaming-Benchmark-Among-Android-Smartphones/ | Oct 30 17:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | hothardware.com | Google Nexus 5 Posts Best Gaming Benchmark Among Android Smartphones - HotHardware [ http://ur1.ca/fymn2 ] | Oct 30 17:27 |
| Sosumi | http://rt.com/usa/nsa-secretly-access-yahoo-google-982/ | Oct 30 17:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | rt.com | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/fymox ] | Oct 30 17:34 |
| Sosumi | yay like if that wasn't already known | Oct 30 17:34 |
| Sosumi | br00liant idea = join an intelligence agency or make a private intelligence company | Oct 30 17:36 |
| Sosumi | top gordon gecko as mr insider trader | Oct 30 17:36 |
| Sosumi | = profit | Oct 30 17:36 |
| Sosumi | and I'll finally be able to buy the DBS I've always been lusting for | Oct 30 17:36 |
| MinceR | DBS? | Oct 30 17:37 |
| Sosumi | aston martin dbs | Oct 30 17:37 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 30 17:37 |
| Sosumi | http://www.hardocp.com/news/2013/10/30/ultimate_ps4_faq/ | Oct 30 17:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.hardocp.com | HARDOCP - The Ultimate PS4 FAQ [ http://ur1.ca/fymq3 ] | Oct 30 17:40 |
| Sosumi | no blu-ray/dvd playback | Oct 30 17:40 |
| Sosumi | must pay for the pesky licence | Oct 30 17:41 |
| Sosumi | I can play blu rays/dvds on vlc | Oct 30 17:41 |
| Sosumi | why not incoporate vlc components into the ps4 OS? | Oct 30 17:41 |
| Sosumi | $ony, lawl | Oct 30 17:42 |
| Sosumi | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/lian-li-pc-d600-dual-compartment-eatx,24263.html | Oct 30 17:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tomshardware.com | Lian Li Launches the PC-D600 Dual-Compartment Case [ http://ur1.ca/fymsp ] | Oct 30 17:51 |
| Sosumi | puts the trashcan pro to shame | Oct 30 17:51 |
| MinceR | no surprise there | Oct 30 17:52 |
| Sosumi | would make a nice server with that | Oct 30 17:53 |
| Sosumi | compute nodes usually require 2 PSUs | Oct 30 17:53 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: nice redesign roy | Oct 30 18:16 |
| Sosumi | also, this halloween, don't dress your children in cowboy costumes and give them a toy gun | Oct 30 18:19 |
| Sosumi | they may be misunderstood as one of those freedom hating terrorists | Oct 30 18:19 |
| Sosumi | and shot down | Oct 30 18:19 |
| Sosumi | *be | Oct 30 18:19 |
| XFaCE | Sosumi: nice apple-nick reference there | Oct 30 18:20 |
| Sosumi | and it's registed :) | Oct 30 18:20 |
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| XFaCE | right on /thumb^ | Oct 30 18:20 |
| Sosumi | also, all my macs run rhel now, I guess crApple can go on and sue me now for foilling their planned obsulescence plans for the mac pro and xserve | Oct 30 18:23 |
| *MinceR has no macs | Oct 30 18:25 | |
| Sosumi | MinceR has tank instead, which lets him go to the mac store and free all those chained/locked in macs | Oct 30 18:26 |
| MinceR | i wish | Oct 30 18:26 |
| MinceR | i also wish i could afford to fuel it | Oct 30 18:26 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 30 18:27 |
| Sosumi | maybe if you dressed as a syrian *cough* rebel and made a cardboard tank... | Oct 30 18:28 |
| Sosumi | Obozo'd swap that for a real tank and give you plenty of fuel | Oct 30 18:29 |
| MinceR | i'm too far from syria for that to work | Oct 30 18:30 |
| MinceR | and i think i'll keep it that way | Oct 30 18:30 |
| Sosumi | yeah you better stay :) | Oct 30 18:31 |
| Sosumi | there are way to many folks involved there, including PMCs which it's only business is war | Oct 30 18:31 |
| MinceR | gn | Oct 30 19:05 |
| MinceR | http://www.pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/funny-middle-yeast-war-cartoon-1.jpg | Oct 30 19:11 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395716299059650560 | Oct 30 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Oppressor https://t.co/Bu6J6LVNXt | Oct 30 21:12 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: thanks | Oct 30 21:12 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3230051 | Oct 30 21:17 |
| schestowitz | "Weeeeeeee" | Oct 30 21:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: Awesome | Oct 30 21:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> 500px.com | 500px / nordin seruyan / Photos | Oct 30 21:17 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3229212 | Oct 30 21:23 |
| schestowitz | "Nuclear armed terrorist, of course." | Oct 30 21:23 |
| schestowitz | "But I'd suggest digging around her back yard, just to be sure. ;-)" | Oct 30 21:23 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.71 | Oct 30 21:26 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3230101 | Oct 30 21:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 'Glamour' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhUj4JlB-Xs | Oct 30 21:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | Photoshop makes anything possible - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fyo5n ] | Oct 30 21:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 30 21:33 |
| schestowitz | OK, you can call that kind of editing "Photoshop". | Oct 30 21:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Photoshop | Oct 30 21:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.gnu.org | Words to Avoid (or Use with Care) Because They Are Loaded or Confusing - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/fyo5x ] | Oct 30 21:33 |
| schestowitz | Last weekend, my daughter and I ran across a discarded CK display pedestal in an alley. The white plastic was slick, even in daylight but most of the posters had been removed and it lacked the magic it might have had complete and in careful lighting. There was a woman on the remaining poster, and an arm covered in gold bangles. The woman's face was really distorted, especially her forehead, and it was disturbing if you looked at if for | Oct 30 21:33 |
| schestowitz | more than a second or two. We've mostly sheltered her from mall type stuff but I'm glad she saw that. | Oct 30 21:33 |
| schestowitz | I'm going to show her this. Thanks for sharing. | Oct 30 21:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 30 21:33 |
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| schestowitz | My mother showed this to me. Her comment was (or someone who commented on it), this is why many young girls starve themselves to death. There should be a warning on glossy pages, something like CG caution, along the same line as smoking warning labels. When my wife shows me some so-called 'models' or celebs I always say to her, let's see what she really looks like and then we go digging Google Images for images of the same person | Oct 30 21:36 |
| schestowitz | without glamour, makeup, poses, etc. Helps evade unrealistic expectations. | Oct 30 21:36 |
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| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Lech_Johanse | Oct 30 22:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ( status 404 @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Lech_Johanse ) | Oct 30 22:27 |
| schestowitz | "He is most famous for his involvement in the release of the DeCSS software, which decodes the content-scrambling system used for DVD licensing enforcement. Jon is a self-trained software engineer, who quit high school at the first year to spend more time with the DeCSS case. He moved to the United States and worked as a software engineer in October 2005 until November 2006. He then moved to Norway but moved back to the United States | Oct 30 22:27 |
| schestowitz | in June 2007" | Oct 30 22:27 |
| schestowitz | 'About his reverse engineering skills, in a post on his blog he said that in the '90s he started with a book ("Programming the 8086 8088"), the web ("Fravia's site was a goldmine") and IRC ("Lurked in a x86 assembly IRC channel and picked up tips from wise wizards.")[2]" | Oct 30 22:27 |
| schestowitz | "In November 2003, Johansen released QTFairUse, an open source program which dumps the raw output of a QuickTime Advanced Audio Coding (AAC) stream to a file, which could bypass the Digital Rights Management (DRM) software used to encrypt content of music from media such as those distributed by the iTunes Music Store, Apple Computer's online music store. Although these resulting raw AAC files were unplayable by most media players at | Oct 30 22:28 |
| schestowitz | the time of release, they represent the first attempt at circumventing Apple's encryption." | Oct 30 22:28 |
| schestowitz | "In November 2005, a Slashdot story notes[10] that Sony-BMGs XCP DRM software includes code and comments (such as "copyright (c) Apple Computer, Inc. All Rights Reserved."[11]) illegally copied from an iTunes DRM circumvention program by Jon Lech Johansen. A popular claim was that, using the criteria that RIAA uses in its copyright lawsuits, Johansen could sue for billions of dollars in damages.[10]" | Oct 30 22:28 |
| schestowitz | he had been off the radar for 4 years now | Oct 30 22:29 |
| schestowitz | http://nanocr.eu/ | Oct 30 22:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | nanocr.eu | Jon Lech Johansen's blog | Oct 30 22:30 |
| schestowitz | He hardly blogs, either | Oct 30 22:31 |
| schestowitz | maybe once a year | Oct 30 22:31 |
| schestowitz | still uses same photo as in 2005 http://nanocr.eu/about/ | Oct 30 22:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | nanocr.eu | Jon Lech Johansen's blog | Oct 30 22:32 |
| schestowitz | "1998: Installed GNU/Linux for the first time: RedHat 5.0 (still have the CD)" | Oct 30 22:32 |
| schestowitz | Says GNU | Oct 30 22:32 |
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| schestowitz | No update since 'June 2007: Moved back to San Francisco and co-founded doubleTwist Corporation (not related to DoubleTwist Ventures LLC).' | Oct 30 22:33 |
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| XFaCE | "BEFORE changing the headline, one of Britain’s worst papers, known as the Daily Mail," | Oct 30 23:32 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Have you watched potholer54 videos? | Oct 30 23:32 |
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| Sosumi | I've always said that $ony could do no evil | Oct 31 02:13 |
| Sosumi | until they did | Oct 31 02:13 |
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| Sosumi | ps4 stripped out of cd/mp3 capability for $ony's own itunes store | Oct 31 02:13 |
| Sosumi | no kb/mouse support, no external drive support, must pay an one time fee to play dvd/bluray | Oct 31 02:14 |
| Sosumi | remote play with the psp 2 is also being spinned down now, as it may not work that well, | Oct 31 02:15 |
| Sosumi | and a couple of ps3 games can be "upgraded" to play on the ps4, but is if you pay $9.90 | Oct 31 02:17 |
| Sosumi | awesome, my wallet is ready | Oct 31 02:18 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Oct 31 04:46 |
| amarsh04 | good $timeofday | Oct 31 04:55 |
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| iophk | http://www.muktware.com/2013/10/kolab-turns-switzerland-refugee-camp-want-escape-nsa/15340 | Oct 31 05:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.muktware.com | Kolab creates a privacy refugee camp in Switzerland | Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/fyqmj ] | Oct 31 05:49 |
| iophk | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2303959/nokia-wins-patent-case-against-htc-in-the-uk-will-seek-htc-one-ban | Oct 31 06:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theinquirer.net | Nokia wins patent case against HTC in the UK, will seek HTC One ban- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/fyqom ] | Oct 31 06:00 |
| iophk | http://www.techhive.com/article/2059760/some-teens-may-indeed-be-antifacebook.html | Oct 31 06:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.techhive.com | Some teens may indeed be anti-Facebook | TechHive [ http://ur1.ca/fyqqi ] | Oct 31 06:09 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: is memegenerator workinf doe yoyu? | Oct 31 07:33 |
| schestowitz | All the meme images time out | Oct 31 07:33 |
| MinceR | haven't tried | Oct 31 07:33 |
| schestowitz | like their backend engine is kapiut | Oct 31 07:33 |
| schestowitz | e.g. http://memegenerator.net/instance/42601252 | Oct 31 07:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | memegenerator.net | And then I told them Google was secure! | obama laughing | Meme Generator [ http://ur1.ca/fyr5e ] | Oct 31 07:33 |
| schestowitz | I made this request, can't download it | Oct 31 07:33 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: does an image come at the top for you? | Oct 31 07:40 |
| MinceR | nope | Oct 31 07:43 |
| MinceR | none of them load | Oct 31 07:43 |
| MinceR | server doesn't respond | Oct 31 07:45 |
| MinceR | (cdn.meme.li, that is) | Oct 31 07:45 |
| schestowitz | ;-( | Oct 31 07:53 |
| MinceR | something loaded | Oct 31 07:53 |
| schestowitz | I'll retry later | Oct 31 07:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sxc.hu seems to be down as well | Oct 31 07:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.sxc.hu | The Leading Source Of Free Stock Photos - stock.xchng | Oct 31 07:55 |
| schestowitz | or not... | Oct 31 07:55 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 07:56 |
| schestowitz | test http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtml?f=search&txt=fraud&w=1&x=0&y=0 | Oct 31 07:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.sxc.hu | Fraud Stock Photos - stock.xchng [ http://ur1.ca/fyr97 ] | Oct 31 07:56 |
| schestowitz | Doesn'\t load fully | Oct 31 07:56 |
| schestowitz | Sort of hanging half way through | Oct 31 07:56 |
| schestowitz | starts to load now, some photos at meme generator | Oct 31 08:12 |
| schestowitz | http://memegenerator.net/instance/42601252 | Oct 31 08:12 |
| MinceR | btw imgur has a meme generator too | Oct 31 08:20 |
| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/10/silent-circle-and-lavabit-launch-darkmail-alliance-to-thwart-e-mail-spying/ | Oct 31 09:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Silent Circle and Lavabit launch “DarkMail Alliance” to thwart e-mail spying | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fyrkh ] | Oct 31 09:03 |
| iophk | They plan to use XMPP instead of SMTP | Oct 31 09:04 |
| iophk | it will be interesting to see more of the plan. | Oct 31 09:04 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 31 09:04 |
| iophk | M$ killed SMTP a while ago with all that Windows bot-net generated spam. | Oct 31 09:06 |
| iophk | Most executives making decisions about tech have probably never experienced the spam-free net. | Oct 31 09:06 |
| iophk | Very little resources seem to have been spent going after the two sources of spam: Windows and those that hire spammers | Oct 31 09:10 |
| iophk | the former would be politically difficult even if high-payoff. The latter would be much easier and just a matter of following the money trail. | Oct 31 09:10 |
| iophk | It would require some funding though. | Oct 31 09:10 |
| iophk | Contrast the Ars article with this spam: https://www.computerworld.com.au/article/530582/silent_circle_lavabit_unite_dark_mail_encrypted_email_project/ | Oct 31 09:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerworld.com.au | Silent Circle, Lavabit unite for 'Dark Mail' encrypted email project - Silent Circle, applications, Lavabit, e-mail, software - Computerworld [ http://ur1.ca/fyrls ] | Oct 31 09:12 |
| iophk | The corruption is now transparent: https://www.networkworld.com/news/2013/103013-tom-wheeler-confirmed-as-new-275398.html | Oct 31 09:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.networkworld.com | Tom Wheeler confirmed as new chief of US FCC - Network World [ http://ur1.ca/fyrm7 ] | Oct 31 09:13 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395847607597408256 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395856444391972864 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395867329932066816 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395886336894566401 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395903781361422336 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395906976808714242 | Oct 31 09:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Richard Stallman on Banks and Foreclosures http://t.co/XeDEaaVyqB ]fixed DNS issue the site had yesterday] #techrights | Oct 31 09:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Richard Stallman on Banks and Foreclosures | Techrights | Oct 31 09:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Disregard For Users’ Privacy Still Haunts Canonical Founder Mark Shuttleworth http://t.co/MlnSE9QbdN #ubuntu #canonical #privacy | Oct 31 09:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Disregard For Users’ Privacy Still Haunts Canonical Founder Mark Shuttleworth | Techrights | Oct 31 09:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The Fourth Estate (Media) Absolutely Vital for Bringing/Restoring Justice http://t.co/BkoBJxNxlg #journalism #truth #privacy #wikileaks | Oct 31 09:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | The Fourth Estate (Media) Absolutely Vital for Bringing/Restoring Justice | Techrights | Oct 31 09:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: GNU/Linux Efficiency Helps the Environment http://t.co/oVXNcF5MQf #energy #environment #gnu #linux | Oct 31 09:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | GNU/Linux Efficiency Helps the Environment | Techrights | Oct 31 09:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Back Door (Automatic Update) in WordPress and What It Means to Techrights http://t.co/kdNmbi8AG1 #wordpress #security #nsa | Oct 31 09:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Back Door (Automatic Update) in WordPress and What It Means to Techrights | Techrights | Oct 31 09:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Google and Other Internet Giants Lied Because the NSA Gets Data Without Subpoena or Even a Warrant http://t.co/MueKflD9Pk #google #yahoo | Oct 31 09:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Google and Other Internet Giants Lied Because the NSA Gets Data Without Subpoena or Even a Warrant | Techrights | Oct 31 09:37 |
| iophk | http://www.usatoday.com/story/cybertruth/2013/10/30/how-snowden-is-returning-privacy-to-a-social-norm/3318559/ | Oct 31 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.usatoday.com | How Snowden is returning privacy to a social norm [ http://ur1.ca/fyrue ] | Oct 31 10:04 |
| iophk | A little old - http://dot.kde.org/2013/10/02/ezgo-free-and-open-source-software-taiwans-schools | Oct 31 10:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | dot.kde.org | ezgo - Free And Open Source Software In Taiwan's Schools | KDE.news [ http://ur1.ca/fyrwv ] | Oct 31 10:24 |
| iophk | https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/germanys-security-experts-rate-open-source-website-systems | Oct 31 10:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | joinup.ec.europa.eu | Germany's security experts rate open source website systems | Joinup [ http://ur1.ca/fyrxq ] | Oct 31 10:28 |
| iophk | http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/30/technology/social/facebook-earnings/ | Oct 31 10:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | money.cnn.com | Facebook soars after solidly beating Wall Street forecasts - Oct. 30, 2013 [ http://ur1.ca/fyry7 ] | Oct 31 10:30 |
| schestowitz | spying reigns | Oct 31 10:30 |
| iophk | funny but the objection to social networks back in the 90's was that they were to invasive of privacy. | Oct 31 10:31 |
| iophk | How did judgment get thrown out so solidly since then? | Oct 31 10:31 |
| iophk | to->too | Oct 31 10:31 |
| schestowitz | [13:06] <iophk> M$ killed SMTP a while ago with all that Windows bot-net generated spam. | Oct 31 10:38 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Oct 31 10:38 |
| iophk | We saw it happen... | Oct 31 10:39 |
| schestowitz | I don't use my ISP's SMTP server | Oct 31 10:39 |
| schestowitz | I use my own with auth | Oct 31 10:39 |
| schestowitz | and with TLS/SSL | Oct 31 10:39 |
| schestowitz | plus PGP where possible | Oct 31 10:39 |
| schestowitz | x` | Oct 31 10:40 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: I watched almost every video in potholer and his other channel potholdedebunks | Oct 31 10:40 |
| schestowitz | He's one of my favs | Oct 31 10:40 |
| schestowitz | Peter hatfield I think his name was | Oct 31 10:40 |
| XFaCE | hadfield | Oct 31 10:42 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: he chastises Daily Mail all the time | Oct 31 10:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395924456650334208 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395923627931340800 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395922565996503040 | Oct 31 10:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Some teens may indeed be anti-Facebook http://t.co/4k9j7EDuT0 #facebook | Oct 31 10:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.techhive.com | Some teens may indeed be anti-Facebook | TechHive | Oct 31 10:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Kolab creates a privacy refugee camp in Switzerland http://t.co/sSgI0ZHHL9 #kolab #privacy | Oct 31 10:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.muktware.com | Kolab creates a privacy refugee camp in Switzerland | Muktware | Oct 31 10:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Corruption: "former investor and head of telecommunications industry groups" becomes their 'regulator' https://t.co/7NEFYuGUKt | Oct 31 10:46 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395922316313767936 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395921940323762176 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395921730163978240 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395921087500156928 | Oct 31 10:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Germany's security experts rate open source website systems https://t.co/PQ61fomNRM #germany #cms #freedom #sharing | Oct 31 10:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Can Snowden revert privacy to a social norm? http://t.co/aphniQgRYL #privacy #snowden | Oct 31 10:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Silent Circle and #Lavabit launch “DarkMail Alliance” to thwart #email #spying http://t.co/1Q33BoWz0R https://t.co/wsRy9qzLQD | Oct 31 10:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | Silent Circle and Lavabit launch “DarkMail Alliance” to thwart e-mail spying | Ars Technica | Oct 31 10:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.computerworld.com.au | Silent Circle, Lavabit unite for 'Dark Mail' encrypted email project - Silent Circle, applications, Lavabit, e-mail, software - Computerworld | Oct 31 10:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: In #facebook "young teens are losing interest in" http://t.co/BmV11bC4jq | Oct 31 10:47 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395913990775508992 | Oct 31 10:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Last night I watched the 2010 remake of Karate Kid. It taught me that the Chinese are dumb and violent. Typical #hollywood slant. | Oct 31 10:47 |
| iophk | The Collusion plug-in for Firefox is apparently now named Lightbeam and is considered out of beta. | Oct 31 10:55 |
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| lirodon | So in your opinion, anything with automatic updates is a security threat and should be avoided? | Oct 31 11:02 |
| Sosumi | what if an intelligence agency is using some vulnerability in the software to push a blob that gives them access to your computer | Oct 31 11:35 |
| Sosumi | so automatic updates are a liability | Oct 31 11:35 |
| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/meet-badbios-the-mysterious-mac-and-pc-malware-that-jumps-airgaps/ | Oct 31 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Meet “badBIOS,” the mysterious Mac and PC malware that jumps airgaps | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fys2h ] | Oct 31 11:43 |
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| iophk | http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/03/magazine/why-apple-wants-to-bust-your-iphone.html | Oct 31 12:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/fyskw ] | Oct 31 12:50 |
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| MinceR | updates should be subject to approval by the user | Oct 31 13:20 |
| MinceR | also, m$ is not trustworthy in anything, including code | Oct 31 13:20 |
| iophk | MinceR: M$ trustworthiness has been the elephant in the room | Oct 31 13:21 |
| iophk | not even Schneier has brought it up | Oct 31 13:21 |
| MinceR | also, this is my view, and does not necessarily represent that of techrights | Oct 31 13:21 |
| MinceR | iophk: indeed | Oct 31 13:21 |
| iophk | it was one of the first in PRISM | Oct 31 13:21 |
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| Sosumi | I read a paper a while ago about exploiting auto update in itunes to push gov malware into the computer | Oct 31 13:50 |
| Sosumi | nothing to do with apple knowingly leaving vulnerabilities unpatched for years so that instelligence agencies could hack in | Oct 31 13:52 |
| Sosumi | by exploiting, again, itunes | Oct 31 13:52 |
| Sosumi | or should I say phonyTunes | Oct 31 13:53 |
| Sosumi | because that thing is filled with crap | Oct 31 13:53 |
| Sosumi | it doesn't even feature Ronnie Dio's full discography | Oct 31 13:53 |
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| Sosumi | LG G2 is finally on sale here in PT, no word of the nexus 5 yet | Oct 31 13:56 |
| iophk | Any FirefoxOS phones yet? | Oct 31 14:13 |
| Sosumi | nop nothing available here with firefox OS pre-instaled | Oct 31 14:14 |
| MinceR | there are several out for sale, afaik... but not in hungaristan. | Oct 31 14:14 |
| iophk | Would it make sense to buy other hardware and then install FirefoxOS instead of Cyanogenmod? | Oct 31 14:15 |
| Sosumi | I'd stick to nexus series for that | Oct 31 14:16 |
| MinceR | hm, maybe they were merely announced | Oct 31 14:17 |
| Sosumi | just wait, but for firmware modding nexus is the way to go | Oct 31 14:17 |
| Sosumi | because they're much cheaper | Oct 31 14:17 |
| MinceR | amazon.com lists ZTE Open and Alcatel One Touch Fire | Oct 31 14:17 |
| Sosumi | argh amazon, that company that is going to take an entire month to ship me 3 books | Oct 31 14:19 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 31 14:21 |
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| iophk | http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1664588 | Oct 31 16:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | forums.macrumors.com | Western Digital Warns External Hard Drive Customers Over Mavericks Data Loss - MacRumors Forums [ http://ur1.ca/fytfn ] | Oct 31 16:11 |
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| MinceR | moral of the story: 1. don't use crApple products 2. don't use the crapware that comes with your data storage devices | Oct 31 16:20 |
| Snowleaksange | apple product not crappy tho. ms product are i agree. but apple makes quality stuff | Oct 31 16:23 |
| Snowleaksange | might be overpriced and spy on you etc, but still best products planet makes | Oct 31 16:23 |
| MinceR | yeah, quality stuff | Oct 31 16:25 |
| MinceR | like the only mobile phone that makes galvanic contact with the user's hand by design | Oct 31 16:25 |
| MinceR | and like the patented(!) power connector that melts itself | Oct 31 16:25 |
| Snowleaksange | fake | Oct 31 16:25 |
| MinceR | sure, keep telling yourself that | Oct 31 16:25 |
| Snowleaksange | youre citing blogspot for your power adaptor melting info | Oct 31 16:26 |
| MinceR | gotta deal with that cognitive dissonance somehow | Oct 31 16:26 |
| MinceR | no, i'm citing dozens of websites | Oct 31 16:26 |
| Snowleaksange | lol | Oct 31 16:26 |
| Snowleaksange | newb | Oct 31 16:26 |
| MinceR | grow up. | Oct 31 16:26 |
| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3161#comic | Oct 31 16:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal [ http://ur1.ca/fythi ] | Oct 31 16:28 |
| Sosumi | apple and quality... | Oct 31 16:38 |
| Sosumi | yeah right.... | Oct 31 16:38 |
| Sosumi | only apple quality makes you able to cook your lunch on a macbook pro | Oct 31 16:42 |
| MinceR | and i didn't even mention the quality of crApple software | Oct 31 16:43 |
| MinceR | and the support they "provide" | Oct 31 16:43 |
| Sosumi | and burn a hole in your ass, lol batteries | Oct 31 16:43 |
| Sosumi | well you heard me | Oct 31 16:43 |
| MinceR | exploding hypePhones | Oct 31 16:43 |
| Sosumi | that I experienced memory leaks in moronicks and performance issues with apple's java runtime 6 | Oct 31 16:44 |
| Sosumi | since current versions of mathematica and matlab can't run on oracle's java | Oct 31 16:45 |
| Sosumi | no problems with openjdk on fedora/rhel nor on winblows | Oct 31 16:46 |
| Sosumi | also crapple's opengl is still lagging behind | Oct 31 16:47 |
| Sosumi | 2010 was 3 years ago | Oct 31 16:47 |
| Sosumi | and from my own experience, I've never had memory leaks on linux nor on windows | Oct 31 16:47 |
| Sosumi | nor on osx 10.3 to 10.6 | Oct 31 16:48 |
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| Sosumi | after 10.6 things have been finicky with osx | Oct 31 16:49 |
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| Sosumi | and crapple doesn't seem to bothered with that either, just keep buying their stuff | Oct 31 16:51 |
| Sosumi | so don't forget to make a another mortage in your home so you can buy the trashcan pro | Oct 31 16:51 |
| MinceR | well, so long as it has the logo, they'll keep buying it | Oct 31 16:51 |
| Sosumi | and some insrance, because the thing may catch fire because of it's cooling system, | Oct 31 16:51 |
| Sosumi | or should I say, lack of it | Oct 31 16:52 |
| Sosumi | and applecare is junk | Oct 31 16:52 |
| Sosumi | individual components have much longer warranties | Oct 31 16:53 |
| Sosumi | for example corsair does 7 years on their top psus, gskill lifetime, asus 3 years and so on | Oct 31 16:53 |
| Sosumi | if not wanting to deal with individual manufactures HP is the way to go | Oct 31 16:54 |
| Sosumi | their Z800 workstations just scream and they have standard 3 years warranty | Oct 31 16:54 |
| Sosumi | at least here in PT | Oct 31 16:54 |
| Sosumi | and are not cippled in any conceivable way | Oct 31 16:55 |
| Sosumi | *crippled | Oct 31 16:55 |
| Sosumi | and you have rhel as option in case you don't want winblows | Oct 31 16:55 |
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| Sosumi | so what's the argument in favor of the mac? | Oct 31 16:56 |
| Sosumi | actually at this point | Oct 31 16:56 |
| Sosumi | none | Oct 31 16:56 |
| Sosumi | it's a shiny thing for the stupid | Oct 31 16:57 |
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| MinceR | i can think of two arguments: "but it has the logo!" and "but i have so much money i don't know what to do with!" | Oct 31 16:57 |
| Sosumi | you mean toilet paper? | Oct 31 16:58 |
| MinceR | could be coins | Oct 31 16:58 |
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| MinceR | or numbers in a banking system | Oct 31 16:58 |
| Sosumi | if it's not backed by anything it isn't worth anything :) | Oct 31 16:59 |
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| Sosumi | exchange paper for gold, silver | Oct 31 16:59 |
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| Sosumi | things that hold value through the times | Oct 31 17:00 |
| Sosumi | save them and liquidate them when needed | Oct 31 17:00 |
| MinceR | the value of gold and silver is also mostly a social construct, afaik | Oct 31 17:00 |
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| Sosumi | but it never goes to zero, paper money does | Oct 31 17:01 |
| MinceR | if civilization collapses, they might lose their value as well | Oct 31 17:01 |
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| MinceR | nah, paper itself also has some value | Oct 31 17:01 |
| MinceR | not a lot, but some | Oct 31 17:01 |
| Sosumi | well, just don't keep it in the bank | Oct 31 17:03 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 17:03 |
| Sosumi | or you might be cypried | Oct 31 17:03 |
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| MinceR | diversification of your portfolio can help | Oct 31 17:05 |
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| Sosumi | yes, gold, silver, real estate, intelectual property (real one not monopolization) | Oct 31 17:05 |
| MinceR | also, banknotes _are_ backed by something -- belief and trust in their value :> | Oct 31 17:06 |
| Sosumi | I really wouldn't trust that nor certificates of the treasure (folks holding "pubic" debt) | Oct 31 17:07 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 17:07 |
| Sosumi | banks are in a mess and the gov only has money to pay the interest | Oct 31 17:07 |
| Sosumi | and debt just keep pilling up | Oct 31 17:07 |
| Sosumi | *keeps | Oct 31 17:08 |
| MinceR | but that's still peachy compared to hungary | Oct 31 17:08 |
| MinceR | which is doomed | Oct 31 17:08 |
| Sosumi | plus there are rumors. already denied (lmao) of a second bailout | Oct 31 17:08 |
| Sosumi | and things are confirmed when they're officially denied | Oct 31 17:09 |
| Sosumi | and why have one when you can two, or three and more austerity? | Oct 31 17:09 |
| Sosumi | you can also pay your mastercard with the visa and then get an amex to pay both | Oct 31 17:09 |
| Sosumi | lawl | Oct 31 17:10 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 31 17:10 |
| Sosumi | and hey they did just confiscate secondary pensions and are already yaping about more pension cuts | Oct 31 17:14 |
| MinceR | they stole my pension fund | Oct 31 17:14 |
| MinceR | and they say they've saved them | Oct 31 17:14 |
| Sosumi | but no one bothered, although it was the fruits of their labour that got lost/stollen/robbed | Oct 31 17:15 |
| MinceR | fucking nazis (fidesz) | Oct 31 17:15 |
| MinceR | then again, most of the eu is ruled by fundies and similar folk in league with them | Oct 31 17:15 |
| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_People%27s_Party | Oct 31 17:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | European People's Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/5bmu ] | Oct 31 17:16 |
| MinceR | this criminal gang | Oct 31 17:16 |
| MinceR | the western world is experimenting with internet censorship | Oct 31 17:16 |
| MinceR | pcs are being replaced with untrustworthy uefi appliances | Oct 31 17:17 |
| MinceR | it's such a great era to be alive in | Oct 31 17:17 |
| Sosumi | people's party, only it's about selling them to multinationals and the big money power | Oct 31 17:18 |
| Sosumi | *if | Oct 31 17:18 |
| MinceR | oh, and all sorts of fundie states who believe if they all die they'll all just go to heaven own nukes | Oct 31 17:18 |
| Sosumi | heaven? I though they were secular humanists :) | Oct 31 17:19 |
| Sosumi | or commies/colectivists | Oct 31 17:19 |
| Sosumi | only with the rejection of a God or creator can man indulge himself in what I call degenerate behaviour | Oct 31 17:20 |
| Sosumi | because he has no ideal of "perfection" | Oct 31 17:20 |
| Sosumi | this is nothing about religion | Oct 31 17:20 |
| Sosumi | and my idol Gottfried Liebnitz did write about that | Oct 31 17:20 |
| Sosumi | another name for what I wrote is moral relativism | Oct 31 17:21 |
| Sosumi | you know, the guy that battled that fraud called newton in the calculus development and co-founded the russian academy of science | Oct 31 17:22 |
| Sosumi | actually newton and galileu are frauds and plagiarists since everything they wrote was derived from kepler's theories | Oct 31 17:23 |
| MinceR | nope | Oct 31 17:23 |
| MinceR | the ideal of perfection they merely use to flatter themselves in their minds | Oct 31 17:23 |
| Sosumi | and that has name, narcisist sociopaths | Oct 31 17:24 |
| MinceR | that's a broader category, though | Oct 31 17:24 |
| Sosumi | and some do tend to be very articulate a la snake charmer | Oct 31 17:25 |
| MinceR | also, this whole 'you need a god to be moral' is just fundie bullshit from people whose idea of morality is 'you can buy slaves so long as they're gentiles' and 'women are chattel' | Oct 31 17:25 |
| Sosumi | that's the spin put down by the priesthoods | Oct 31 17:26 |
| MinceR | also, 'it's the pinnacle of moral perfection to curse a fig tree to never again bear fruit because it had the audacity to not be in fruiting season when you wanted to eat some fig' | Oct 31 17:26 |
| Sosumi | watch out for that | Oct 31 17:26 |
| MinceR | and of course the good old 'it's moral to punish someone for the sins of his ancestors and/or descendants' | Oct 31 17:26 |
| Sosumi | that's not striving for perfection | Oct 31 17:27 |
| Sosumi | and who says that is subverting that | Oct 31 17:27 |
| MinceR | do you think that abrahamic religions have a less twisted idea of what perfection is than their idea of what morality is? | Oct 31 17:28 |
| MinceR | well, there's the old "all-knowing, all-powerful, all-benevolent deity creating a world full of evil and suffering" thing | Oct 31 17:28 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter if they strive for perfection if they don't have the foggiest idea of what it is | Oct 31 17:29 |
| Sosumi | I don't follow religions, they are just a system in which a mediator, the priest, says wathever he is allowed to say in his doctrine | Oct 31 17:29 |
| MinceR | they're some of the most successful and most destructive memes | Oct 31 17:29 |
| Sosumi | if you can distinguish through common sense what is right and wrong | Oct 31 17:29 |
| MinceR | people who have that common sense often deny it | Oct 31 17:30 |
| Sosumi | well, that I don't know, we're not talking about an exact science | Oct 31 17:31 |
| MinceR | it's a lot more exact than the cultists would like it to be | Oct 31 17:32 |
| Sosumi | exaplain | Oct 31 17:32 |
| Sosumi | *explain | Oct 31 17:32 |
| MinceR | there are many cases in which it is obvious which would be the more ethical choice | Oct 31 17:33 |
| MinceR | and from a simple principle, it is possible to build a powerful system of ethics | Oct 31 17:33 |
| MinceR | with science | Oct 31 17:33 |
| MinceR | though Sam Harris could explain it much better than i could :) | Oct 31 17:34 |
| Sosumi | never heard of sam harris, but'll look into him later | Oct 31 17:39 |
| Sosumi | ios 7, 64 bits build has stability issues | Oct 31 17:52 |
| Sosumi | including low memory warnings | Oct 31 17:52 |
| Sosumi | the iJunk only come with 1GB ram | Oct 31 17:52 |
| Sosumi | no wonder | Oct 31 17:53 |
| MinceR | one would think 1GB should be enough for a featurephone :> | Oct 31 17:53 |
| Sosumi | at this point 3GB min | Oct 31 17:53 |
| Sosumi | http://www.anandtech.com/show/7460/apple-ipad-air-review/9 | Oct 31 17:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.anandtech.com | AnandTech | The iPad Air Review [ http://ur1.ca/fytsb ] | Oct 31 17:54 |
| Sosumi | quoting | Oct 31 17:54 |
| Sosumi | "Although things seem to have improved with iOS 7.0.3, the 64-bit builds of the OS still seem to run into stability issues more frequently than their 32-bit counterparts. I still see low memory errors associated with any crashes. It could just be that the move to 64-bit applications (and associated memory pressure) is putting more stress on iOS’ memory management routines, which in turn exposes some weaknesses. The iPad Air crashed a | Oct 31 17:54 |
| Sosumi | couple of times on me (3 times total during the past week), but no where near as much as earlier devices running iOS 7.0.1." | Oct 31 17:54 |
| MinceR | well, i'd expect them to use a _little_ more memory | Oct 31 17:55 |
| Sosumi | well, common sense says that too | Oct 31 17:56 |
| Sosumi | but you know | Oct 31 17:56 |
| Sosumi | "think different" | Oct 31 17:56 |
| MinceR | more like "think less" or "don't think" | Oct 31 17:56 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 31 17:56 |
| Sosumi | that gave an idea | Oct 31 17:57 |
| MinceR | (which is of course what their "engineers" are doing) | Oct 31 17:57 |
| Sosumi | *me | Oct 31 17:57 |
| Sosumi | why not build a cluster of trashcan pros inside a fridge | Oct 31 17:57 |
| Sosumi | that'd keep them cool | Oct 31 17:57 |
| MinceR | costs too much, no point | Oct 31 17:57 |
| Sosumi | much better than the wine racks | Oct 31 17:57 |
| Sosumi | I know | Oct 31 17:58 |
| Sosumi | just trolling | Oct 31 17:58 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 31 17:58 |
| MinceR | especially considering that nobody could see the logo through the fridge | Oct 31 17:58 |
| MinceR | at that rate, you could just put real computers in the fridge | Oct 31 17:58 |
| Sosumi | the logo is in the back anyways | Oct 31 17:58 |
| MinceR | then again, they do make fridges with glass doors... | Oct 31 17:58 |
| MinceR | for shops at least | Oct 31 17:59 |
| Sosumi | yeah, but insolation on those isn't that great | Oct 31 17:59 |
| MinceR | whoever operates this could afford the extra power costs though | Oct 31 17:59 |
| Sosumi | or move to the south pole | Oct 31 18:00 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 18:00 |
| Sosumi | I heard they have nazi bases and flying saucers there | Oct 31 18:00 |
| Sosumi | operation highjump rings a bell | Oct 31 18:00 |
| MinceR | interesting | Oct 31 18:00 |
| MinceR | i thought we had more nazis here in hungary | Oct 31 18:01 |
| Sosumi | we have nazis everywhere | Oct 31 18:01 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 31 18:01 |
| Sosumi | nazis = national socialists | Oct 31 18:01 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 31 18:01 |
| MinceR | that's the sense i used it in | Oct 31 18:01 |
| Sosumi | yep, that's also how I interpreted it | Oct 31 18:02 |
| Sosumi | nothing really to do with the endeavours of the national socialist german workers party of adolf shicklegruber or wathever | Oct 31 18:03 |
| Sosumi | and winblows 8.1 has been fully cracked | Oct 31 18:05 |
| Sosumi | there's already available a VM for KMS 6 | Oct 31 18:06 |
| Sosumi | instead of having to set up a remote server | Oct 31 18:06 |
| Sosumi | still why bother :) gnu/linux is free | Oct 31 18:06 |
| Sosumi | and works better | Oct 31 18:06 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 31 18:07 |
| Sosumi | the only whatnot is the mess with the efi | Oct 31 18:07 |
| MinceR | though at least it helps people who are forced into using winblows-only software to not contribute to a fund that's destroying our freedom | Oct 31 18:08 |
| Sosumi | everytime there's a efi firmware update I lose the boot marker on my board config page | Oct 31 18:08 |
| Sosumi | forcing me to reinstall grub | Oct 31 18:08 |
| MinceR | ...or winblows-only hardware | Oct 31 18:08 |
| Sosumi | no, it's just the efi, losing that and you get the message there's no OS installed | Oct 31 18:09 |
| Sosumi | hardware isn't exactly windows only | Oct 31 18:09 |
| Sosumi | I don't know if it does the same with winblows, since I've never tested | Oct 31 18:10 |
| MinceR | i mean peripherals that require a winblows-only driver that nobody bothered to write a non-crap driver for | Oct 31 18:10 |
| Sosumi | I'm yet to find something that doesn't work linux | Oct 31 18:10 |
| Sosumi | *on | Oct 31 18:10 |
| MinceR | i used to, but i'm not up-to-date anymore | Oct 31 18:11 |
| Sosumi | but I don't have that many peripherals that require special drivers, maybe the mouse in order to config | Oct 31 18:11 |
| Sosumi | but cba, it worked well out of the box and the additional buttoms all workj | Oct 31 18:12 |
| Sosumi | steelseries sensei is the thing | Oct 31 18:12 |
| MinceR | yours doesn't reboot if you click one of the buttons on the right side? | Oct 31 18:12 |
| Sosumi | nop | Oct 31 18:13 |
| MinceR | i had to reconfigure it to stop it from doing that | Oct 31 18:13 |
| Sosumi | right side buttoms can be used to fast scrool | Oct 31 18:13 |
| Sosumi | other than that, kb is just a steelseries 7g, outside of being mechanical and ps/2 doesn't have anything fancy | Oct 31 18:14 |
| MinceR | my logitech g710+ is usable without extra drivers as well | Oct 31 18:15 |
| MinceR | though someone did write a driver for it | Oct 31 18:15 |
| Sosumi | and my scanner, epson 4990 photo has linux drivers too, although they're outsourced to a third party | Oct 31 18:15 |
| Sosumi | and that's pretty much it, printing works fine out of the box | Oct 31 18:17 |
| Sosumi | and so on | Oct 31 18:17 |
| Sosumi | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/dell-laptop-cat-pee-smell,24911.html#xtor=RSS-999 | Oct 31 18:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tomshardware.com | Dell Insists There's No Cat Pee in the Latitude 6420u Laptop [ http://ur1.ca/fytv2 ] | Oct 31 18:20 |
| Sosumi | what about apple cinder? | Oct 31 18:20 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 31 18:20 |
| Sosumi | asus has finally put on sale their new laptops here in pt | Oct 31 18:22 |
| MinceR | which ones? | Oct 31 18:22 |
| Sosumi | 2390€ for an i7 4700HQ an, 32GB ram and gtx780 | Oct 31 18:22 |
| Sosumi | much cheaper than what dell wants for their alienware | Oct 31 18:23 |
| Sosumi | 3200€ | Oct 31 18:23 |
| Sosumi | the G series | Oct 31 18:23 |
| Sosumi | which are the only decent laptops around here | Oct 31 18:23 |
| Sosumi | outside the mobile workstations that aren't crippled in some way and don't try to mimick the macbooks | Oct 31 18:23 |
| Sosumi | but not getting it, too expensive for a pdf reader, latex editor on the go | Oct 31 18:24 |
| Sosumi | that was why I was still using a compaq armada with a 866 MHz P3 | Oct 31 18:25 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 18:25 |
| Sosumi | now all I have is a wall street powerbook G3 from 1998 | Oct 31 18:26 |
| Sosumi | which was my 1st computer | Oct 31 18:26 |
| MinceR | wall street? | Oct 31 18:26 |
| Sosumi | yes | Oct 31 18:26 |
| Sosumi | https://www.google.pt/search?q=wall+street+powerbook+g3&client=firefox-a&hs=LwM&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=GtlyUrqtJZGu7AawkoGACQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=1039#q=wallstreet+powerbook+g3&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&spell=1&tbm=isch | Oct 31 18:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.google.pt | wall street powerbook g3 - Pesquisa do Google [ http://ur1.ca/fytvp ] | Oct 31 18:27 |
| Sosumi | that onw | Oct 31 18:28 |
| Sosumi | *one | Oct 31 18:28 |
| Sosumi | got it when I was 10 years old back in 2000 | Oct 31 18:28 |
| Sosumi | from my uncle | Oct 31 18:28 |
| MinceR | ah, code name | Oct 31 18:29 |
| MinceR | looks like a laptop that's been left out in the sun for too long | Oct 31 18:30 |
| Sosumi | it actually looks nice and I like the ability of removing the drives | Oct 31 18:30 |
| Sosumi | like pop out the cd drive for another battery | Oct 31 18:31 |
| Sosumi | or a super disk drive | Oct 31 18:31 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 18:31 |
| Sosumi | laptops can't do that now | Oct 31 18:31 |
| MinceR | my ThinkPad W700 can do that | Oct 31 18:31 |
| Sosumi | which is shamefull | Oct 31 18:31 |
| Sosumi | yes | Oct 31 18:31 |
| Sosumi | but I'll see if I can nab something from someone | Oct 31 18:32 |
| Sosumi | since I pratically refuse to buy computer in which I can't change components | Oct 31 18:33 |
| Sosumi | so I basically look into used laptops | Oct 31 18:33 |
| MinceR | afaik in many current laptops you can still replace memory, hdd and battery | Oct 31 18:34 |
| MinceR | and of course ExpressCards | Oct 31 18:34 |
| Sosumi | nah cpu and gpu is what matters | Oct 31 18:35 |
| Sosumi | since no laptop can actually satisfy my needs | Oct 31 18:35 |
| MinceR | then again, my most recent laptop is over 2 years old | Oct 31 18:35 |
| Sosumi | as long as I can ssh into my system or the university system I really don't care | Oct 31 18:36 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 18:36 |
| Sosumi | plus control the costs, for example with the money I'd be paying for that asus | Oct 31 18:37 |
| Sosumi | I'd be able to get 3 radeon r290 | Oct 31 18:37 |
| Sosumi | or two titans | Oct 31 18:37 |
| Sosumi | for the things that really matter | Oct 31 18:37 |
| Sosumi | or pay 2 years of tuition | Oct 31 18:38 |
| Sosumi | :( | Oct 31 18:38 |
| Sosumi | it's around 1300€ each year | Oct 31 18:38 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 31 18:38 |
| MinceR | i finished university while it was still (mostly) paid through taxes | Oct 31 18:38 |
| MinceR | then again, the hungarian education system is (also) falling apart | Oct 31 18:39 |
| Sosumi | so is the portuguese :) | Oct 31 18:39 |
| Sosumi | it's trash | Oct 31 18:39 |
| Sosumi | and I've never gone into university for their teaching or guidance | Oct 31 18:40 |
| Sosumi | couldn't care less | Oct 31 18:40 |
| Sosumi | I'm there for their resources | Oct 31 18:40 |
| MinceR | i went there for teaching and the paper | Oct 31 18:40 |
| MinceR | was disappointed in the former, though | Oct 31 18:41 |
| Sosumi | tests and projects for me are just seen as chores | Oct 31 18:41 |
| Sosumi | which course did you pick up? | Oct 31 18:42 |
| MinceR | technical informatics | Oct 31 18:42 |
| Sosumi | I'm doing physics and computer engineering | Oct 31 18:43 |
| Sosumi | CE I started this year | Oct 31 18:44 |
| Sosumi | physics I'm on the master | Oct 31 18:44 |
| Sosumi | although, the courses converge a bit | Oct 31 18:46 |
| Sosumi | so I have equivalences | Oct 31 18:46 |
| MinceR | is CE a hardware-oriented course? | Oct 31 18:46 |
| Sosumi | no, it's our version of computer sciecne | Oct 31 18:46 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 31 18:46 |
| Sosumi | we just don't call it that | Oct 31 18:47 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 18:47 |
| MinceR | yeah, afaik "informatics" isn't used much in english-speaking countries either | Oct 31 18:47 |
| Sosumi | for hardware oriented we have electronic engineering and computers | Oct 31 18:48 |
| Sosumi | http://tecnico.ulisboa.pt/en/education/ | Oct 31 18:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | tecnico.ulisboa.pt | Education | Técnico Lisboa | Oct 31 18:48 |
| Sosumi | not that many good looking girls in there too | Oct 31 18:50 |
| Sosumi | and the decent ones are only in chemical engineering | Oct 31 18:51 |
| Sosumi | but cba, trully, I'm looking for a wife | Oct 31 18:51 |
| Sosumi | and haven't seen one there that I could say, this is the one | Oct 31 18:51 |
| MinceR | what does 'cba' stand for? | Oct 31 18:51 |
| Sosumi | can't be arsed | Oct 31 18:51 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 18:51 |
| Sosumi | now the gym I go to, every morning, you basically wash your eyes everytime you go there | Oct 31 18:52 |
| Sosumi | not bad, although it has it's days too | Oct 31 18:53 |
| Sosumi | joke of the day | Oct 31 18:56 |
| Sosumi | imac's gtx 780m is just an underclocked gtx 680 | Oct 31 18:56 |
| Sosumi | from a guy selling is good mac pro for an imac *facepalm* | Oct 31 18:57 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 18:57 |
| Sosumi | 1.1 models although crippled by apple | Oct 31 18:57 |
| Sosumi | in the firmware, 32 bit efi vs 64bit efi | Oct 31 18:58 |
| Sosumi | can boot into 64 bits on gnu/linux or winblows | Oct 31 18:58 |
| Sosumi | plus the xeons used on those | Oct 31 18:58 |
| Sosumi | are dirt cheap to get | Oct 31 18:59 |
| Sosumi | in case of a cpu upgrade | Oct 31 18:59 |
| Sosumi | apple's fanboys current attitude and that is discarding paid chills by apple or subcontractors | Oct 31 19:01 |
| Sosumi | resembles stockolm sindrome | Oct 31 19:01 |
| MinceR | i don't understand the "discarding paid chills" part | Oct 31 19:02 |
| Sosumi | btw I'm referring to macrumors.com, cult of mac and appleinsider | Oct 31 19:02 |
| Sosumi | ppl that are paid to monitor and counter negative comments | Oct 31 19:02 |
| MinceR | oh, shills | Oct 31 19:02 |
| Sosumi | yeah sorry, my bad :) | Oct 31 19:03 |
| MinceR | i don't much read those three sites | Oct 31 19:03 |
| Sosumi | I just like to go there and flame | Oct 31 19:04 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 19:04 |
| Sosumi | so I can get my, satisfaction :) | Oct 31 19:05 |
| Sosumi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5bYDhZBFLA | Oct 31 19:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Benny Benassi - 'Satisfaction' (Official Video) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fyu03 ] | Oct 31 19:05 |
| Sosumi | lol at the video | Oct 31 19:05 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 19:05 |
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| Sosumi | testing winblows 8.1 on a VM right now | Oct 31 19:59 |
| Sosumi | had to:) | Oct 31 19:59 |
| Sosumi | 1,2 GB ram vs 2.66 GB of OSX right after boot | Oct 31 19:59 |
| Sosumi | also faster install vs OSX | Oct 31 19:59 |
| Sosumi | I'll test it further in two weeks after I'm done with the incoming round of exams | Oct 31 20:04 |
| Sosumi | but I bet it'll be the usual, OSX the worst performer | Oct 31 20:04 |
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| MinceR | http://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2013/10/31/president-obamas-fashionable-new-ad | Oct 31 20:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.madmagazine.com | President Obama’s Fashionable New Ad | Mad Magazine [ http://ur1.ca/fyuaq ] | Oct 31 20:31 |
| MinceR | gn | Oct 31 20:36 |
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| iophk | http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/01/21268571-open-source-advocates-to-government-let-us-help-you-fix-healthcaregov?lite | Nov 01 05:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | investigations.nbcnews.com | Open-source advocates to government: Let us help you fix healthcare.gov - Investigations [ http://ur1.ca/fywkm ] | Nov 01 05:52 |
| iophk | I'm not sure why a public-access web site would even need javascript to begin with. | Nov 01 05:53 |
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| schestowitz__ | iophk: I have just used your link in Jamaica’s Ministry of Health and Interior Ministry of France Pave the Way for US to Embrace GNU-Inspired Software Freedom http://techrights.org/2013/11/01/foss-in-national-level/ | Nov 01 08:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | Jamaica’s Ministry of Health and Interior Ministry of France Pave the Way for US to Embrace GNU-Inspired Software Freedom | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fyx4h ] | Nov 01 08:01 |
| iophk | Cool | Nov 01 08:01 |
| iophk | In the US, two major agencies use FOSS for health care infrastructure | Nov 01 08:02 |
| iophk | also | Nov 01 08:02 |
| iophk | but they use VistA instead | Nov 01 08:02 |
| iophk | VistA is public domain but some derivatives are GPL | Nov 01 08:04 |
| schestowitz__ | yes, I forgot to mention it | Nov 01 08:11 |
| schestowitz__ | could use a comment or update | Nov 01 08:11 |
| schestowitz__ | By the way, yesterday I found out who's trolling Pogson so much in comments | Nov 01 08:11 |
| schestowitz__ | It's those troll hordes (like moingol hordes) from TM | Nov 01 08:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Some anti-FOSS site | Nov 01 08:12 |
| schestowitz__ | no link | Nov 01 08:12 |
| schestowitz__ | they point their anonymous cowards at sites of pro-Linux folks | Nov 01 08:12 |
| schestowitz__ | They used to do that to techrights almost every day | Nov 01 08:12 |
| schestowitz__ | now they need to sign up with real email | Nov 01 08:12 |
| schestowitz__ | It was around that time that they started wasting Pogson's rime and prey on his credibility | Nov 01 08:13 |
| iophk | So they just changed targets, who's hiring them? | Nov 01 08:26 |
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| schestowitz__ | nobody I guess | Nov 01 09:01 |
| schestowitz__ | they're too stupid to be hired | Nov 01 09:01 |
| schestowitz__ | Microsoft paid people to comment in reddit | Nov 01 09:01 |
| schestowitz__ | And this I could believe before it became a scandal | Nov 01 09:01 |
| schestowitz__ | There are paid MS shills and then there's MS MVPs and dependants | Nov 01 09:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Those who would mock Linux because they would rather attack it than learn it | Nov 01 09:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Microsoft runs out of the latter | Nov 01 09:02 |
| schestowitz__ | but it's also running out of funds | Nov 01 09:02 |
| schestowitz__ | so it can 't afford subversive PR which blows in its face when exposed anyway | Nov 01 09:03 |
| schestowitz__ | let Microsofy rot in the next few years... their common carrier won't be able to carry the other crapware anymore | Nov 01 09:03 |
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| DaemonFC | back | Nov 01 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | no internet connection since Wednesday | Nov 01 10:03 |
| DaemonFC | a contractor dug up and snapped my cable line | Nov 01 10:04 |
| MinceR | geekings | Nov 01 10:18 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjKEcE1mcdQ | Nov 01 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Everything Wrong With Pitch Black In 7 Minutes Or Less - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fyxto ] | Nov 01 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Nov 01 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | 17 hours ago | Nov 01 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | He forgot the most obvious one. | Nov 01 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | If the bioraptors are the only thing left because they've eaten everything else on the planet, then how are the bioraptors continuing to survive? | Nov 01 10:50 |
| DaemonFC | We see some of them eating each other in the movie, but this would still lower the population faster than the surviving ones could reproduce. | Nov 01 10:50 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/396270099994144768 | Nov 01 11:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @_Goblin: @schestowitz Maybe Boris should be challenged too? He was out there pimping the UK to China..maybe a better place to start? | Nov 01 11:52 |
| schestowitz__ | Boris is a client now, i can't criticise him :-) | Nov 01 11:52 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz__: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24771421 | Nov 01 11:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Patent wars: Tech giants sue Samsung and Google [ http://ur1.ca/fyy71 ] | Nov 01 11:52 |
| XFaCE | yep | Nov 01 11:52 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396250431590260737 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396254333450616832 vhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396269805264961536 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396276431942352896 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396293698893643777 | Nov 01 11:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Mobile GNU and Linux: Not Just Android http://t.co/sHyebivlOl #android #linux #firefoxos #gnu #meego #tizen | Nov 01 11:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Mobile GNU and Linux: Not Just Android | Techrights | Nov 01 11:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Tap http://t.co/hu3WmewotQ | Nov 01 11:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Apple: Cheap Labour From China, Now Helping China Digitally ‘Conquer’ Taiwan http://t.co/Z1iKXCnIeB #china #taiwan #apple #revisionism | Nov 01 11:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Apple: Cheap Labour From China, Now Helping China Digitally ‘Conquer’ Taiwan | Techrights | Nov 01 11:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Free-as-in-Freedom Hardware: Building Together, Speeding up Innovation Through Cooperation http://t.co/cpIcLXWTZx #sharing #hardware | Nov 01 11:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Free-as-in-Freedom Hardware: Building Together, Speeding up Innovation Through Cooperation | Techrights | Nov 01 11:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Banning Military Use of GPL-Licensed and Other Freedom-Respecting Software http://t.co/pnUUNuZbR2 #gpl #drones #law | Nov 01 11:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Banning Military Use of GPL-Licensed and Other Freedom-Respecting Software | Techrights | Nov 01 11:54 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396302826596745216 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396304102050631680 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396304417621692416 | Nov 01 11:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Apple Feels the Pinch of Linux http://t.co/yBHLxXK7v3 #apple #linux #android | Nov 01 11:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Apple Feels the Pinch of Linux | Techrights | Nov 01 11:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Jamaica’s Ministry of Health and Interior Ministry of France Pave the Way for US to Embrace GNU-Inspired SW Freedom http://t.co/UhuNRe9cyn | Nov 01 11:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Jamaica’s Ministry of Health and Interior Ministry of France Pave the Way for US to Embrace GNU-Inspired Software Freedom | Techrights | Nov 01 11:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Microsoft Bans Android/Linux Devices (Barred From Sale) Using Nokia Patents, Google Attacked by Patents on Two Fronts http://t.co/enP1XYQABc | Nov 01 11:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Microsoft Bans Android/Linux Devices (Barred From Sale) Using Nokia Patents, Google Attacked by Software Patents on Two Fronts | Techrights | Nov 01 11:56 |
| XFaCE | "Well, thank you, Microsoft, for banning Linux. And HTC thought it had partnered with Microsoft for patent peace. A peace for our time…" | Nov 01 12:03 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz__: yep again | Nov 01 12:03 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz__: from this mary jo article on the rockstar situation, quote: | Nov 01 12:15 |
| XFaCE | "Rockstar is staffed primarily with a bunch of former Nortel staff members and management. T" | Nov 01 12:15 |
| XFaCE | well that's great | Nov 01 12:15 |
| XFaCE | what a perfect poetic end to the corruption and scandals of Nortel | Nov 01 12:15 |
| XFaCE | fucking disgusting | Nov 01 12:16 |
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| XFaCE | MinceR: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/nortel-patents-at-issue-in-suits-against-google-huawei-1.2325485 | Nov 01 13:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cbc.ca | Nortel patents at issue in suits against Google, Huawei - Business - CBC News [ http://ur1.ca/fyyuf ] | Nov 01 13:38 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: "Its owners, including Apple and BlackBerry, are rivals for the smartphone market with Google and Google’s Android-supported handset makers, but Rockstar says it operates independently." | Nov 01 13:38 |
| XFaCE | Lol oh wow | Nov 01 13:38 |
| XFaCE | I need to sneeze, *bullshit* | Nov 01 13:38 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 01 13:39 |
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| XFaCE | Rockstar, they should have gone with something more subtle | Nov 01 13:46 |
| XFaCE | like "The Co-operation for Better Mobile Development Institution" | Nov 01 13:46 |
| XFaCE | or "The Coalition for Fair Mobile Market Practices" | Nov 01 13:46 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.macrumors.com/2013/11/01/new-plugin-allows-developers-to-turn-ios-devices-into-bitcoin-mining-bots/ | Nov 01 15:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.macrumors.com | New Plugin Allows Developers to Turn iOS Devices Into Bitcoin Mining Bots - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/fyzbs ] | Nov 01 15:13 |
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| Sosumi | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/11/01/128258/microsoft-apple-and-others-launch-huge-patent-strike-at-android?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter | Nov 01 15:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | yro.slashdot.org | Microsoft, Apple and Others Launch Huge Patent Strike at Android - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/fyzfg ] | Nov 01 15:27 |
| Sosumi | but meanwhile, nexus 5 sold in an instant | Nov 01 15:28 |
| Sosumi | can't say the same for all those hyphePhones | Nov 01 15:28 |
| Sosumi | or winblows phones, lol, those don't even leave the shelves | Nov 01 15:28 |
| Sosumi | also. the only version of the hypephone that sold out was the "fake" gold colored | Nov 01 15:29 |
| Sosumi | at least here in PT | Nov 01 15:30 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396343722457436160 | Nov 01 16:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Tried #Claws and #KMail for the first time in almost a decade. They're far behind #Thunderbird in many ways, but KMail looks nice. | Nov 01 16:03 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/396344471169662976 | Nov 01 16:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @_Goblin: @schestowitz :) At least you won't have to worry about making an effort to meet him. The guy looks a complete mess.... | Nov 01 16:03 |
| schestowitz__ | I trust eccentric messy guys more than empty suits with a posh accent | Nov 01 16:04 |
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| Sosumi | TEPCO registered massive profits | Nov 01 19:19 |
| Sosumi | thx to the taxpayer bailout | Nov 01 19:20 |
| Sosumi | meanwhile, it's business as usual in fukushima, under the cover of tornados and heavy raining, release contaminated water | Nov 01 19:21 |
| Sosumi | that is being stored in the tanks | Nov 01 19:21 |
| Sosumi | but anyways, the thing is always leaking | Nov 01 19:21 |
| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-11-01/japan%E2%80%99s-most-hated-outfit-tepco-reports-fat-profit-taxpayer-bailout-money | Nov 01 19:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zerohedge.com | Japan’s Most Hated Outfit, TEPCO, Reports Fat Profit (From Taxpayer Bailout Money) | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/fz0n4 ] | Nov 01 19:24 |
| Sosumi | quoting a comment | Nov 01 19:24 |
| Sosumi | "TEPCO's must be doing God's work by bringing folks (sooner :) ) to Jesus" | Nov 01 19:25 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 01 19:25 |
| Sosumi | meanwhile in poortugal | Nov 01 19:26 |
| Sosumi | economy is recovering, it's a miracle, look at the stock exchange, fat numbers!! yeah!!! | Nov 01 19:26 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 01 19:27 |
| Sosumi | but that is being artificially prompted by the low interest rates and cheap money | Nov 01 19:27 |
| MinceR | 002518 < Sosumi> "TEPCO's must be doing God's work by bringing folks (sooner :) ) to Jesus" | Nov 01 19:27 |
| MinceR | the same people will eventually try to do "God's work" themselves via more effective means | Nov 01 19:27 |
| Sosumi | in reality the real economy is colapsing because it can't cope with the austerity measures aka the death by a thousand cuts | Nov 01 19:28 |
| Sosumi | and under the cover that everything is fine and after having confiscated secondary pensions | Nov 01 19:29 |
| Sosumi | now they want pensioners to make more discounts | Nov 01 19:29 |
| Sosumi | why not tell them to DROP DEAD! | Nov 01 19:29 |
| Sosumi | so we can steal all the money you discounted for your pension | Nov 01 19:30 |
| Sosumi | suckers! | Nov 01 19:30 |
| Sosumi | great idea | Nov 01 19:30 |
| Sosumi | ship grandpas to fukushima | Nov 01 19:30 |
| Sosumi | so they can become radioactive debris | Nov 01 19:32 |
| Sosumi | and no money wasted on that pesky funeral | Nov 01 19:32 |
| Sosumi | win win | Nov 01 19:32 |
| Sosumi | that is the truth | Nov 01 19:33 |
| Sosumi | but meanwhile normalicy rules the land, so who cares, there's still soccer matches and beer | Nov 01 19:34 |
| Sosumi | the unwashed masses are stupid and hard to educate, but the problem is that they tend to drag others into the same pit | Nov 01 19:38 |
| Sosumi | and we'll be sufering that in the future, specially when the retirement age nears | Nov 01 19:38 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 01 20:05 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/396367508841590784 | Nov 01 21:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @_Goblin: @schestowitz Thats a fair comment, but Boris isn't the messy eccentric guy he appears to be is he? I can link his background. | Nov 01 21:04 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/396367735413678080 | Nov 01 21:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @_Goblin: @schestowitz And I don't find him funny, when he acts the bumbling fool on tax payers money. If he wants to do standup theres TV for that. | Nov 01 21:04 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/396367975730540544 | Nov 01 21:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @_Goblin: @schestowitz I am surprised at you Roy that someone who battles unfairness would show any positive to a man like Boris. | Nov 01 21:04 |
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| iophk | http://linuxaria.com/howto/how-to-remove-zeitgeist-in-ubuntu-and-why | Nov 02 03:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | linuxaria.com | » Linuxaria – Everything about GNU/Linux and Open source How to remove Zeitgeist in Ubuntu and why [ http://ur1.ca/fz3ll ] | Nov 02 03:43 |
| iophk | http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/microsoft-can-skype-api | Nov 02 03:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.networkworld.com | Microsoft to can Skype API, third party products will not work [ http://ur1.ca/fz3lw ] | Nov 02 03:45 |
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| iophk | http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/01/github-to-white-house-open-source-your-healthcare-gov-code-and-let-us-help/ | Nov 02 05:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | venturebeat.com | Github to White House: Open source your HealthCare.gov code and let us help | VentureBeat [ http://ur1.ca/fz3y7 ] | Nov 02 05:11 |
| iophk | They should be using Github for drafting legislation, too. | Nov 02 05:12 |
| iophk | http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/open-source-needs-clean-its-language-229838 | Nov 02 05:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | Open source needs to clean up its language | Open Source Software - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fz3yd ] | Nov 02 05:13 |
| iophk | 'non-reciprocal' is a better way to describe it | Nov 02 05:13 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LobSFGunV-U | Nov 02 05:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Ronon Dex try P-90 and 9mm - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fz41s ] | Nov 02 05:39 |
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| DaemonFC | Well, this guy turned out to be a first class jerk. | Nov 02 05:54 |
| DaemonFC | Oh well. There's a million others out there. | Nov 02 05:54 |
| *DaemonFC goes to bed. | Nov 02 05:55 | |
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| DaemonFC | People get mad at me when I complain about all the Handy Crapped parking spots. | Nov 02 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuEQixrBKCc | Nov 02 06:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | George Carlin - Euphemisms - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fz47n ] | Nov 02 06:24 |
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| iophk | http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/31/net-us-finland-hacking-idUSBRE99U0ZL20131031 | Nov 02 06:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.reuters.com | Finland says government's data network hit by severe hacking | Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/fz49z ] | Nov 02 06:49 |
| iophk | Still on Windows, though... | Nov 02 06:49 |
| prurigro | iophk: takes quite a bit to change an entire infrastructure :) | Nov 02 07:21 |
| iophk | ,Mostly motivation is needed | Nov 02 07:24 |
| prurigro | organization and funding are pretty important too | Nov 02 07:24 |
| iophk | M$ sales people tend to get embedded in the bureaucracy and prevent even investivation in to working options. | Nov 02 07:25 |
| prurigro | you have a beurocracy of people with different opinions and you have to both inject the idea of changing platforms to the right people at the right time when budgets are available | Nov 02 07:25 |
| iophk | Not that they would be capable of participation. | Nov 02 07:25 |
| iophk | Transition costs mostly because the old system has to be maintained and there is a bit of work overcoming barriers as the new system is phased in. | Nov 02 07:26 |
| prurigro | once you've had someone make the decision in the right place and right time, you then need to come up with a plan for changing over thousands of servers and desktops, including what you're changing to, how support is going to work etc, and then you're gonna need to retrain everyone, replace all your services with equivalent ones that work on this new platform, somehow move all the data from the old system | Nov 02 07:27 |
| prurigro | to the new one, figure out how all the companies who have contracts with you are going to be handled, companies that may or may not be currently locked into windows | Nov 02 07:27 |
| iophk | M$ staff cannot be retrained. It's only the bottom tier of support that might be reusable. | Nov 02 07:28 |
| prurigro | I don't think that's necessarily true, but if you think that's the case then there's nothing that can be done :) | Nov 02 07:28 |
| prurigro | keep in mind that all your non IT staff are using windows too | Nov 02 07:29 |
| iophk | It's only an observation over the years. | Nov 02 07:29 |
| iophk | Moving non-IT staff is often not hard. | Nov 02 07:29 |
| iophk | Unless there are specialized applications locking them in that aren't cross-platform or won't run in WINE. | Nov 02 07:30 |
| prurigro | I'm thinking about my personal experience here, and I believe it likely will be | Nov 02 07:30 |
| prurigro | a lot of departments have special internal network services that require IE/activex | Nov 02 07:30 |
| prurigro | a lot of them also use exchange | Nov 02 07:30 |
| iophk | I've not seen that for ages. But it is (an intentional) problem where it does exist. | Nov 02 07:30 |
| prurigro | a lot of them have also already paid for shit loads of software that isn't going to run nicely in wine | Nov 02 07:31 |
| prurigro | have you worked in government? | Nov 02 07:31 |
| iophk | Not for a long while. | Nov 02 07:31 |
| iophk | Exit costs need to be included in TCO calculations | Nov 02 07:31 |
| prurigro | well, that's how it is here with my government, and I've heard it's not too different down in the US | Nov 02 07:31 |
| prurigro | from people providing services | Nov 02 07:31 |
| prurigro | via respective companies | Nov 02 07:32 |
| prurigro | basically, your savings may start many many years down the road, and budgets only account for a couple of years at a time since elected leaders can jump in and uproot your whole setup | Nov 02 07:32 |
| prurigro | the money's also being spent a second time, from the point of view of those allocating it to IT directions, so it's coming out of the pockets of programs that the elected government may have promised already and whatnot | Nov 02 07:33 |
| iophk | Procurement needs to include exit costs | Nov 02 07:33 |
| prurigro | in what respect? | Nov 02 07:33 |
| iophk | http://www.epractice.eu/en/document/5290101 | Nov 02 07:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.epractice.eu | e-Governance in public sector ICT procurement: what is shaping practice in Sweden | ePractice [ http://ur1.ca/3sgbp ] | Nov 02 07:33 |
| iophk | The cost of M$ systems is prohibitive even when moving to other versions of M$ | Nov 02 07:34 |
| iophk | the ActiveX mess you describe is an exampel | Nov 02 07:34 |
| iophk | some are locked into MSIE 6 still | Nov 02 07:34 |
| prurigro | thing is, they already paid for a suite, and I dunno about sweden, but in my government, when funding doesn't exist this year, computers won't be upgrading | Nov 02 07:34 |
| iophk | Sunk-cost fallacy | Nov 02 07:34 |
| iophk | throwing good money after bad | Nov 02 07:35 |
| iophk | in some situations it is cheaper to just pull the plug | Nov 02 07:35 |
| prurigro | this isn't a fallacy when you consider the big piture | Nov 02 07:35 |
| prurigro | picture* | Nov 02 07:35 |
| prurigro | which is that your costs 5 years from now are irrelevant | Nov 02 07:35 |
| prurigro | and it's cheaper in the short run not to overhaul your systems | Nov 02 07:35 |
| prurigro | cheaper, and safer, if you don't want to be the one who fucked everything up | Nov 02 07:35 |
| iophk | small incremental steps along a death spiral | Nov 02 07:36 |
| prurigro | it's the price paid for governments with such quick turnover | Nov 02 07:36 |
| iophk | in actuallity the one who fucked everything up was the initial M$ procurment | Nov 02 07:37 |
| prurigro | yes | Nov 02 07:37 |
| prurigro | that was everyone's chance to not go down that road | Nov 02 07:37 |
| iophk | yes, fast turnover and quartely thinking are a problem in any planning | Nov 02 07:37 |
| iophk | https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/report-contracting-authorities-must-take-exit-costs-account | Nov 02 07:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | joinup.ec.europa.eu | Report: 'Contracting authorities must take exit costs into account' | Joinup [ http://ur1.ca/86h8h ] | Nov 02 07:37 |
| prurigro | next chance comes when an overhaul that provides some financial benifit in some other direction appears | Nov 02 07:37 |
| prurigro | like consolidation of government e-services | Nov 02 07:38 |
| iophk | usually "consolidation" is a cover for "pork" | Nov 02 07:38 |
| prurigro | I'd say the odds of someone suggesting a move to something people don't already know and then having it carried out is pretty low though | Nov 02 07:38 |
| iophk | administratively it usually ends up only adding an *additional* layer of management or technology or both | Nov 02 07:38 |
| prurigro | well I mean, I think the stat at a conference I was at for the number of websites for my country's government was something along the lines of 60,000 | Nov 02 07:39 |
| prurigro | and at most a department seems to handle maybe 20 | Nov 02 07:39 |
| prurigro | if they're helping other, smaller ones | Nov 02 07:39 |
| prurigro | squish all that into a single department, as the plan is, and costs may be saved | Nov 02 07:39 |
| prurigro | if done right | Nov 02 07:39 |
| iophk | LOL | Nov 02 07:40 |
| prurigro | and yeah, it's looking like it's going to result in what you say | Nov 02 07:40 |
| prurigro | additional beurocracy and lag | Nov 02 07:40 |
| prurigro | but we'll see I guess | Nov 02 07:40 |
| iophk | hope for the best | Nov 02 07:40 |
| prurigro | yup haha | Nov 02 07:41 |
| iophk | though there are too many small players that gain from any inefficiencies introduced | Nov 02 07:41 |
| prurigro | I've been around for a different department moving to a CMS, and that's pretty rough | Nov 02 07:41 |
| prurigro | word, yeah, outsourcing ends up meaning inefficiencies and increased costs, if you're talking about 3rd parties who have an interest in pushing microsoft | Nov 02 07:42 |
| prurigro | or at least how they seem to be handled currently | Nov 02 07:43 |
| iophk | How would a CMS be decomissioned? Convert to static HTML and throw on a search page? | Nov 02 07:43 |
| prurigro | move to php or aspx | Nov 02 07:43 |
| prurigro | and have a team that accepts documents and converts them to html for content pages | Nov 02 07:43 |
| iophk | wget :P | Nov 02 07:43 |
| prurigro | hrm? | Nov 02 07:44 |
| prurigro | what do you mean? | Nov 02 07:44 |
| iophk | wget --page-requisites --mirror http://whatever.gov/ | Nov 02 07:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Couldn't resolve host 'whatever.gov' ( status 0 @ http://whatever.gov/ ) | Nov 02 07:44 |
| iophk | or something like that | Nov 02 07:44 |
| prurigro | to accomplish? | Nov 02 07:45 |
| iophk | convert to static HTML | Nov 02 07:45 |
| iophk | the other two options are to figure out how to map over to the new CMS, most of which may have to be done manually page by page | Nov 02 07:46 |
| iophk | or to indefinitely maintain the old code | Nov 02 07:46 |
| prurigro | ahh, word haha, I see what you mean- I thought you meant how would the system change-- if you have access to server side stuff usually the content pages are file based, so you grab those and do a conversion job | Nov 02 07:46 |
| prurigro | you dont want to be stripping your header and footer from every page :) | Nov 02 07:46 |
| iophk | wget will get the final, rendered result | Nov 02 07:46 |
| prurigro | I mean, find + sed -i work nicely | Nov 02 07:46 |
| prurigro | yeah, rendered with footer and header | Nov 02 07:47 |
| iophk | PHP is overused | Nov 02 07:47 |
| prurigro | it's been aspx in most of my experience | Nov 02 07:47 |
| iophk | SSI is lower maintenance and secure, if NOEXEC | Nov 02 07:47 |
| prurigro | includes via what platform? | Nov 02 07:47 |
| prurigro | the web server? | Nov 02 07:47 |
| iophk | Apache, Apache2, nginx but not lighttpd | Nov 02 07:48 |
| prurigro | that translates to higher coupling | Nov 02 07:48 |
| prurigro | and it's more difficult for a platform to exist without developers having access | Nov 02 07:48 |
| prurigro | and still allow developers to do fancy things like include | Nov 02 07:48 |
| iophk | SSI is in the HTML | Nov 02 07:48 |
| prurigro | ahh word, how about if then statements? can it do that? | Nov 02 07:48 |
| iophk | One line per item, like menu, footer, header | Nov 02 07:48 |
| iophk | Yes | Nov 02 07:49 |
| iophk | if-then is possible IIRC | Nov 02 07:49 |
| prurigro | based on url? | Nov 02 07:49 |
| prurigro | can it implant your metadata? like grab from variables and add it to the header? | Nov 02 07:49 |
| iophk | It's been too many years | Nov 02 07:50 |
| iophk | httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/ssi.html#coanditional | Nov 02 07:50 |
| prurigro | I feel like you'd be starting to have another php or aspx on your hands if ssi could do all the stuff I'm thinking of that gets used by the site I've most recently worked on | Nov 02 07:51 |
| iophk | No scripting. Just "include" text or html and maybe some conditional statements based on variables | Nov 02 07:51 |
| iophk | Many people (most?) use PHP just to get standardized headers, footers and nav menus | Nov 02 07:52 |
| iophk | Overkill | Nov 02 07:52 |
| iophk | though they get paid to hack on it... | Nov 02 07:52 |
| iophk | and management has heard the name PHP | Nov 02 07:53 |
| prurigro | ahh word, I usually use it initially for that, knowing I'll find a better reason as I continue | Nov 02 07:53 |
| prurigro | especially if I intended to use ajax | Nov 02 07:53 |
| iophk | That's how many start. | Nov 02 07:53 |
| iophk | But a lot of sites then go no further | Nov 02 07:53 |
| iophk | and just stay with the menus, etc | Nov 02 07:54 |
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| iophk | With SSI, it is important that Options are IncludesNOEXEC, otherwise there is not much gain. | Nov 02 07:56 |
| iophk | The result is easy to cache. | Nov 02 07:56 |
| prurigro | by noexec, what is that preventing? I don't assume it'd execute server side scripts or something at that point? | Nov 02 07:58 |
| iophk | It prevents scripts. | Nov 02 07:58 |
| iophk | a) SSI is not efficient for scripts, b) in the event someone gets unauthorized write access to the pages, they can't write scripts either | Nov 02 07:59 |
| prurigro | so it could run a .sh with a+x on it, in theory? | Nov 02 08:05 |
| iophk | If exec is turned on, it could run even system utilities | Nov 02 08:05 |
| iophk | if they are written so inside the web page | Nov 02 08:06 |
| prurigro | oh man, that sounds dangerus | Nov 02 08:06 |
| prurigro | that's one reason I like php on that note, vs cgi-bin type things | Nov 02 08:06 |
| prurigro | it's got security restrictions that limit potential damage | Nov 02 08:06 |
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| iophk | http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/why-is-the-linux-foundation-growing.html | Nov 02 08:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.eweek.com | Why Is the Linux Foundation Growing? [ http://ur1.ca/fz4o5 ] | Nov 02 08:48 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Nov 02 09:28 |
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| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/11/02/business-getting-floss/ | Nov 02 09:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | Business Getting FLOSS | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/fz4u1 ] | Nov 02 09:35 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396638828217507840 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396627661784907776 | Nov 02 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Setting up a Raspberry Pi as a home server http://t.co/59S0QhOWbc #linux in every house vision? | Nov 02 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> kmacphail.blogspot.co.uk | Linux, open source & anything else: Setting up a Raspberry Pi as a home server | Nov 02 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: BBC World Service interview about NSA and spy oversight http://t.co/pTIvXzFDkK #nsa #privacy | Nov 02 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> anniemachon.ch | BBC World Service interview about NSA and spy oversight - Using Our Intelligence | Nov 02 10:04 |
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| iophk | old - http://www.sci-tech-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=10000005C77O | Nov 02 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.sci-tech-today.com | Google Offers Quickoffice for Free | Sci-Tech Today [ http://ur1.ca/fz51t ] | Nov 02 10:49 |
| iophk | no word in the article about ODF support. It's only a half measure if QO depends on M$ proprietary data formats. | Nov 02 10:50 |
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| iophk | prurigro: 2.2 or 2.4 ? | Nov 02 11:15 |
| prurigro | iophk: what are these options for? | Nov 02 11:16 |
| iophk | For Apache 2.2 or Apache 2.4? | Nov 02 11:17 |
| iophk | Some syntax in 'expr' changed. | Nov 02 11:17 |
| iophk | you asked about variables | Nov 02 11:17 |
| iophk | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_include.html#includevars | Nov 02 11:17 |
| iophk | httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/expr.html#vars | Nov 02 11:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | httpd.apache.org | mod_include - Apache HTTP Server [ http://ur1.ca/fz54v ] | Nov 02 11:18 |
| iophk | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/expr.html#vars | Nov 02 11:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | httpd.apache.org | Expressions in Apache HTTP Server - Apache HTTP Server [ http://ur1.ca/fz54x ] | Nov 02 11:18 |
| prurigro | iophk: ahh, that'd be 2.2 it seems, which is strange because arch is usually the latest of everything | Nov 02 11:18 |
| iophk | A lot of distros still have 2.2 | Nov 02 11:18 |
| prurigro | there must be some compatibility issues | Nov 02 11:19 |
| prurigro | like qt4 and qt5 | Nov 02 11:19 |
| iophk | Apache2 doesn't use Qt | Nov 02 11:19 |
| prurigro | just a comparison | Nov 02 11:19 |
| iophk | ok | Nov 02 11:20 |
| prurigro | arch has both versions of qt, same with python | Nov 02 11:20 |
| prurigro | as most distros likely do | Nov 02 11:20 |
| Sosumi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockstar_Consortium | Nov 02 11:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Rockstar Consortium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/fz55j ] | Nov 02 11:21 |
| Sosumi | in which both M$ and crApple are members | Nov 02 11:23 |
| Sosumi | duopoly confirmed | Nov 02 11:23 |
| Sosumi | funy is that they're suing samsung and asus, both pc manufacturers | Nov 02 11:24 |
| prurigro | more like oligarchy imo | Nov 02 11:24 |
| Sosumi | yet they've not dumped winblows out of their products, opting for default gnu/linux or just a clean HDD | Nov 02 11:25 |
| Sosumi | that'd put a couple of nails, at least, on M$ coffin | Nov 02 11:25 |
| prurigro | corporations do the best decision for a given moment, regardless of their relationship with a given company, I think that's been proven enough times now to consider it the way thinsg are | Nov 02 11:26 |
| Sosumi | yep, that is true, but the best decision is to show M$ that they're nothing more than just another sw house | Nov 02 11:29 |
| iophk | All M$ has been able to do has been built on being able to leverage their desktop monopoly. | Nov 02 11:31 |
| iophk | With Android, that monopoly might go away or simply just not matter any more. | Nov 02 11:31 |
| iophk | If that happens, M$ is out of business options. | Nov 02 11:31 |
| iophk | Chromebooks are also a threat to that monopoly. People might discover that there are other options. | Nov 02 11:32 |
| iophk | "Everyone" uses Windows but no one actually likes it. | Nov 02 11:32 |
| iophk | So as soon as other options are perceived as being available, people will jump ship. | Nov 02 11:33 |
| prurigro | I'm sure if there's a decision to make where one direction helps microsoft and the other hurts them, and they're both equal aside from that, they aren't going to choose the one that helps microsoft | Nov 02 11:33 |
| iophk | I'd say that that Rockstar deal falls into that category. | Nov 02 11:33 |
| prurigro | I'm not a fan of google's alternatives though, imo they're just as bad, only in completely different ways | Nov 02 11:33 |
| Sosumi | android and chromebooks are not viable platforms for desktops and laptops, plus their sole porpuse is to put your data into google's hands for their datamining systems and thus pronpting their advertising business | Nov 02 11:33 |
| prurigro | exactly | Nov 02 11:34 |
| Sosumi | of which M$ also wants a slice | Nov 02 11:34 |
| Sosumi | just look at winblows 8.1 universal search | Nov 02 11:34 |
| Sosumi | sending search info to M$, pretty much like moronical (canonical) does | Nov 02 11:34 |
| prurigro | I've hacked up android hard so my personal phone isn't giving google data, but eventually I hope to move to a platform that has an agreeable philosophy from the getgo, once one is available that does what I need (eventually firefox os perhaps?) | Nov 02 11:35 |
| iophk | How clean is Cyanogenmod about not leaking data to Google? | Nov 02 11:35 |
| prurigro | lol canonical-- shuttleworth won the big brother award, but I think it should have had a lot of others share it with him | Nov 02 11:35 |
| prurigro | iophk: if you patch with openpdroid and use afwall for good measure, you're pretty safe | Nov 02 11:35 |
| prurigro | there's default on/off privacy measures that remove access to some of the big things, but I don't consider that a complete solution, since you're then giving access to everything if an app needs access to anything | Nov 02 11:36 |
| prurigro | not to mention that you can't fake or randomly generate data, and it's not covering stuff like your android id and stuff, which can be used to tie your device to a profile | Nov 02 11:37 |
| Sosumi | h33t.eu seems to have died | Nov 02 12:00 |
| Sosumi | even through http://204.16.200.51/, it's last update was on october the 16th | Nov 02 12:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | 204.16.200.51 | NO TITLE | Nov 02 12:00 |
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| iophk | http://neo900.org/ | Nov 02 12:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | neo900.org | Neo900 | Nov 02 12:53 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 02 12:53 |
| MinceR | it's a pity there's no separate numeric row | Nov 02 12:54 |
| iophk | And not much punctuation either. | Nov 02 12:56 |
| MinceR | also, the cpu is weak; the screen is low-resolution and resistive | Nov 02 12:56 |
| MinceR | a step forward from GTA04, but still kind of stuck in the past | Nov 02 12:56 |
| iophk | http://neo900.org/specs | Nov 02 12:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | neo900.org | Neo900 | Nov 02 12:57 |
| iophk | yeah but the big selling point is that it runs Debian | Nov 02 12:58 |
| MinceR | that's nice | Nov 02 12:58 |
| iophk | however not having a full keyboard or sufficiently close to a full keyboard is a difficulty | Nov 02 13:08 |
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| DaemonFC | From my Facebook wall: | Nov 02 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | It's a good thing I have access to the Indiana court records. | Nov 02 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | Saves a lot of time when you can weed out the wastrels right away. | Nov 02 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | This one even has an open criminal case. Careful who you meet on Craiglist! | Nov 02 15:57 |
| DaemonFC | Count , Number 1 : () | Nov 02 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | Charge: 35-46-3-7(a) MA: Cruelty to an Animal Plea: | Nov 02 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | Charge Type: Misdemeanor Class A Disposition: | Nov 02 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | Charge Date: 10/04/2013 Disposition Date: | Nov 02 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | My email reply (through Craiglist's anonymous remailer): | Nov 02 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | Cruelty to an animal? Really? They should have you shot. | Nov 02 15:58 |
| DaemonFC | Don't e-mail me again. | Nov 02 15:58 |
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| DaemonFC | Hmm, time to delete one of my chaff email accounts. | Nov 02 16:05 |
| iophk | What formats do Google's Quickoffice and Apple's iWork use? Can they even do ODF at all? | Nov 02 16:07 |
| Sosumi | who really cares? | Nov 02 16:10 |
| Sosumi | they work with/in the cloud | Nov 02 16:10 |
| MinceR | afaik Quickoffice can only load/save through Google Drive | Nov 02 16:10 |
| MinceR | so it has the same options | Nov 02 16:10 |
| Sosumi | yep | Nov 02 16:10 |
| iophk | I thought it was standalone | Nov 02 16:10 |
| MinceR | it was, before google bought it. | Nov 02 16:11 |
| Sosumi | they were in the past | Nov 02 16:11 |
| iophk | I'm not keen on letting companies hold data hostage like that. | Nov 02 16:11 |
| MinceR | neither am i | Nov 02 16:11 |
| iophk | Being able to import/export ODF would mitigate that a little. Not enough for me to use them but some. | Nov 02 16:12 |
| iophk | It would help break M$ hold on the office file formats. | Nov 02 16:12 |
| MinceR | not if they promote OOXML first and foremost | Nov 02 16:13 |
| MinceR | (and afaik it's still first choice in Google Drive.) | Nov 02 16:13 |
| iophk | it would be hurting their own interests to do so. | Nov 02 16:14 |
| iophk | but I wouldn't put it past some moles | Nov 02 16:14 |
| iophk | http://www.infoworld.com/t/technology-business/6-dirty-secrets-of-the-it-industry-229416?page=0,1 | Nov 02 16:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | 6 dirty secrets of the IT industry | Technology business - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fz61a ] | Nov 02 16:16 |
| iophk | #3 | Nov 02 16:16 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz__: from my business textbook | Nov 02 16:17 |
| XFaCE | "Availability of technology-related resources such as copyrights, patents, trademarks, and trade secrets" | Nov 02 16:18 |
| XFaCE | for once, a) they aren't called "intellectual property" and b) they are all listed individually | Nov 02 16:18 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: That federal government healthcare exchange website that doesn't work... | Nov 02 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | They pass out OOXML. | Nov 02 16:24 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 02 16:24 |
| DaemonFC | It even manages to crash Calligra Office | Nov 02 16:24 |
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| schestowitz__ | Seen that before | Nov 02 16:33 |
| schestowitz__ | like putting up OOXML spreadsheets and calling that "OPEN DATA" or transparency | Nov 02 16:34 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3232921 | Nov 02 16:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Back Door (Automatic Update) in WordPress and What It Means to Techrights | Nov 02 16:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Back Door (Automatic Update) in WordPress and What It Means to Techrights | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fyv3a ] | Nov 02 16:40 |
| schestowitz__ | I run my own DNS but the system of compromise seems to be global and designed specifically for this purpose. I am unsure anyone can escape it without an in person key exchange."77" | Nov 02 16:40 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3237759 | Nov 02 16:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Tried #Claws and #KMail for the first time in almost a decade. They're far behind #Thunderbird in many ways, but KMail looks nice. | Nov 02 16:41 |
| schestowitz__ | but claws is less ram-cpu eater, so is a good option in 'old' (stable) machines"77" | Nov 02 16:41 |
| schestowitz__ | 'I want to love Kmail, being a KDE fanboi and all, but lack of conversation view is a killer for me. I'm hoping that one of the couple of new FOSS webmail solutions in development will finally give me a FOSS webmail with conversations solution." | Nov 02 16:41 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Nov 02 16:43 |
| schestowitz__ | Got a write up? Kmail is beautiful but it is making a painful transition to databases. The underlying files are still stored in standard formats but everything is moving to Akondi and Nepomuk. My migration to Kmail2 was painful but Kmail itself seems to behave itself now. Nepomuk is a real performance hog for someone like me who has a huge collection of files, but without it turned on I can't search my email! Here are a couple of | Nov 02 16:43 |
| schestowitz__ | things I've written about kmail this year, | Nov 02 16:43 |
| schestowitz__ | http://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/2013/2013_04_10-kmail_has_tabs/ http://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/2013/2013_09_28-kmail2_migration/ | Nov 02 16:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | 173.20.223.180 | Index of pictures [ http://ur1.ca/fz644 ] | Nov 02 16:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | 173.20.223.180 | Kmail2 and KDE 4.10 Disaster [ http://ur1.ca/fz645 ] | Nov 02 16:43 |
| schestowitz__ | I'm still evaluating Kmail2 but would advise people with lots of mail to try it cautiously. | Nov 02 16:43 |
| schestowitz__ | The sharing between Kmail other free software mail clients like Evolution and Balsa is poor. I've been using maildir and those don't carry over well, especially subdirectories. Did you have any success opening Thunderbird archives with Kmail? | Nov 02 16:43 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Nov 02 16:44 |
| schestowitz__ | "#Icedove on Debian?" | Nov 02 16:44 |
| schestowitz__ | "That is, #icedove if you don't care to have proper timestamps on your incoming/outgoing messages..." | Nov 02 16:44 |
| XFaCE | IIRC, DaemonFC mentioned poor IMAP performance in Kmail | Nov 02 16:44 |
| schestowitz__ | "Real men / women don't need timestamps. We memorize the electromagnetic pattern of every incoming email into our computers and match them up on sight with our emails. Icedove, forever." | Nov 02 16:44 |
| XFaCE | is that still a problem? | Nov 02 16:44 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe | Nov 02 16:44 |
| schestowitz__ | I can't stand akonadi in kmail and other parts of the k organisation tools. That's why I gave up on it fast. | Nov 02 16:45 |
| XFaCE | conversation view is a novelty which I don't care much about | Nov 02 16:45 |
| XFaCE | I just read the reply history within the email itself | Nov 02 16:46 |
| schestowitz__ | I like thunderbird | Nov 02 16:46 |
| schestowitz__ | even tthough some hardware issues botched some parts of it for me | Nov 02 16:46 |
| MinceR | i prefer iceape/seamonkey | Nov 02 16:49 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3233148 | Nov 02 16:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Some teens may indeed be anti-Facebook http://www.techhive.com/article/2059760/some-teens-may-indeed-be-antifacebook.html #facebook | Nov 02 16:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.techhive.com | Some teens may indeed be anti-Facebook | TechHive [ http://ur1.ca/fyqqi ] | Nov 02 16:51 |
| schestowitz__ | Don't mind him @Robin. He's got parent issues of his own."777" | Nov 02 16:51 |
| schestowitz__ | MinceR: is seamonkey still being patched? | Nov 02 16:52 |
| MinceR | dunno | Nov 02 16:52 |
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| DaemonFC | Seamonkey is actively developed. | Nov 02 17:07 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396746659314810880 | Nov 02 17:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Pussy Riot Member Nadezhda Tolokonnikova Goes Missing During Prison Colony Transfer http://t.co/FO5WXNbpz7 #putinism #russia | Nov 02 17:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.thedailybeast.com | Pussy Riot Member Nadezhda Tolokonnikova Goes Missing During Prison Colony Transfer - The Daily Beast | Nov 02 17:14 |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC: hecko-wise? | Nov 02 17:14 |
| schestowitz__ | gecko | Nov 02 17:14 |
| DaemonFC | it shares the Gecko engine of the current Firefox release | Nov 02 17:15 |
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| DaemonFC | If you ever want to be truly depressed..... | Nov 02 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | Post a personal ad on Craigslist and watch what fills your inbox. | Nov 02 17:31 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, knowing me like I do.... | Nov 02 17:32 |
| DaemonFC | I'll step in it again. | Nov 02 17:32 |
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| Snowleaksange | dang @ loose pussy | Nov 02 17:47 |
| Snowleaksange | nice country, snowden | Nov 02 17:47 |
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| DaemonFC | that cat really fucking stinks | Nov 02 18:00 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what's going on. | Nov 02 18:00 |
| MinceR | Smelly Cat, Smelly Cat, | Nov 02 18:07 |
| MinceR | what are they feeding you? | Nov 02 18:07 |
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| DaemonFC | Oh perfect. | Nov 02 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | filling out a profile on a dating site. | Nov 02 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | Offspring: Doesn't have kids -and- Doesn't want any. | Nov 02 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 02 19:02 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 02 19:12 |
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| DaemonFC | Jack O'Neill (Notices the lack of furniture in Maybourne's safe house apartment): "Have you.....heard of IKEA?" | Oct 27 03:27 |
| DaemonFC | (Opens the refrigerator) "I see you're on the famous beer and mustard diet." | Oct 27 03:27 |
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| __martin__ | hm, communist party got 15% of votes [sidenote: social-democracy 20.45%] as opposed to pirate party's 2,66% [sidenote: greens 3.19%] in recent czech republic's parliamentary vote (important to note that turnout was mere 59.48% of all allowed) | Oct 27 07:42 |
| *__martin__ hopes that HP's WebOS patents won't end up in wrong place | Oct 27 07:44 | |
| iophk | http://falkvinge.net/2013/10/25/we-know-with-100-certainty-that-mass-surveillance-havent-foiled-a-single-terror-plot/ | Oct 27 07:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | falkvinge.net | We can tell the wiretapping industry never foiled a single terror plot - Falkvinge on Infopolicy [ http://ur1.ca/fy2hq ] | Oct 27 07:58 |
| iophk | http://www.neurope.eu/article/those-responsible-wiretapping-crimes-against-us-all-must-be-brought-justice | Oct 27 08:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.neurope.eu | Those responsible for wiretapping crimes against us all must be brought to justice | neurope.eu [ http://ur1.ca/fy2id ] | Oct 27 08:02 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3213920 | Oct 27 08:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Contrary to what you’ve heard, Android is almost impenetrable to malware http://qz.com/131436/contrary-to-what-youve-heard-android-is-almost-impenetrable-to-malware/ so Microsoft/Windows partners lie?! | Oct 27 08:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> qz.com | Contrary to what you’ve heard, Android is almost impenetrable to malware – Quartz [ http://ur1.ca/fy2nv ] | Oct 27 08:55 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "They're not susceptible to malware… because someone at Google says so! Well, that settles it. And how does he know? Because Google spies on its users! And because Android is open, but Google doesn't accept patches from anyone else. Except the NSA. And Google only opens up some of the code (after a while), and the rest they leave closed. But those parts are secure too. Honest. This is supposed to make Android users feel better? | Oct 27 08:55 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "@Brad - these are - as you may probobly imagine - completely different issues: security of the OS and "bigbrotherness" of its creator. I wouldn't dare to mix those things together. Generally speaking: yes, Google is probobly not the most privcy-respecting commpany out there. It doesn't mean that the actual OS [Android] isn't secure as an OS [multi-layered security mechanisms, etc]." | Oct 27 08:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3212555 | Oct 27 08:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Not a Diaspora post? | Oct 27 08:58 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Oct 27 08:59 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | It's not that bad yet, but there's an alarming tendency in that direction. I notice it perhaps because of my near ancestral age. | Oct 27 08:59 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | No mistake, the interworld is the most significant development I have ever seen, but there may be some dangers to the individual during these our first baby steps. | Oct 27 08:59 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | The hive mind is just one of them that terrifies me. Not least because there is a spill-out of this motion into legislation, which consistently lags behind current conditions and thinking. | Oct 27 08:59 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | It always has, but the rate of change now is orders of magnitude greater than B.I.E. , to coin an acronym.... | Oct 27 08:59 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Oct 27 08:59 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394414845657120768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394415339490263040 | Oct 27 10:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Edward Snowden’s Statement Read at ‘Stop Watching Us’ Rally in DC http://t.co/TDxRiES3En #privacy #power | Oct 27 10:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> dissenter.firedoglake.com | Edward Snowden’s Statement Read at ‘Stop Watching Us’ Rally in DC | The Dissenter | Oct 27 10:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: By the standards of the #fbi the #us population is being radicalised. Their big fear is, this so-called "radicalisation" becomes the norm. | Oct 27 10:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394416187582717952 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394416658955378689 | Oct 27 10:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Another meme for #Merkel https://t.co/u7xQ5BQLO6 #privacy #germany #eu #nsa | Oct 27 10:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Partnership between Facebook and police could make planning protests impossible http://t.co/hHpwKlUH7A Facebook: oppression is "social" | Oct 27 10:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> rt.com | NO TITLE | Oct 27 10:57 |
| iophk | http://linuxgizmos.com/first-tizen-tablet-ships/ | Oct 27 11:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | linuxgizmos.com | First Tizen tablet ships to developers · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/fy360 ] | Oct 27 11:18 |
| iophk | All the more reason to get people off of Facebook, if they got on somehow. | Oct 27 11:20 |
| iophk | It would be a really bad thing to let it replace e-mail. | Oct 27 11:20 |
| iophk | But the powers that be are interested in it because it is a centralized choke point. | Oct 27 11:20 |
| iophk | E-mail is comparatively decentralized. | Oct 27 11:20 |
| iophk | even if it is much more centralized compared to Usenet. | Oct 27 11:21 |
| iophk | Usenet is P2P which is probably why most ISPs keep it secret or don't have it. | Oct 27 11:21 |
| iophk | Not long ago it was a selling point. | Oct 27 11:21 |
| iophk | Usenet access was sold as getting "on" the Internet. | Oct 27 11:31 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/PBmvo-GRTFAVVwmwQ-OdzcXNqIqvQyDSKtBVRK-4dhg=w321-h138-no | Oct 27 11:35 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Arnold pays tribute to his dad by doing the nazi salute | Oct 27 11:35 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | iophk: yeah | Oct 27 11:35 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | but | Oct 27 11:35 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Google also took over much of it with Deja News | Oct 27 11:36 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | to many, USENET is now a "Goglole service", they call it just "Groups" | Oct 27 11:36 |
| iophk | The Google UI sucks though, at least last time I checked it | Oct 27 11:37 |
| iophk | Also having everything via Google centralizes some of what was P2P | Oct 27 11:42 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394425583771586560 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394426642065797120 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394427896426921984 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394428089125842946 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394428240934481921 | Oct 27 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: As Europe erupts over US spying, NSA chief says government must stop media http://t.co/J3PTksVp2T Alexander still a bully. #nsa | Oct 27 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | As Europe erupts over US spying, NSA chief says government must stop media | Glenn Greenwald | Comment is free | theguardian.com | Oct 27 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Wishing to know https://t.co/zSLyKHSb4T | Oct 27 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: We Know With 100% Certainty That Mass #Surveillance (industry for espionage) Hasn’t Foiled A Single Terror Plot http://t.co/6ogNzrOfkO | Oct 27 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> falkvinge.net | We can tell the wiretapping industry never foiled a single terror plot - Falkvinge on Infopolicy | Oct 27 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Those responsible for wiretapping crimes against us all must be brought to justice http://t.co/llV9Wlzu2p jail them, won't happen though | Oct 27 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.neurope.eu | Those responsible for wiretapping crimes against us all must be brought to justice | neurope.eu | Oct 27 11:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: First Tizen tablet ships to developers http://t.co/FlXtZ6RFZV #linux #tizen | Oct 27 11:43 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Oct 27 13:03 |
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| oiaohm | Hi MinceR | Oct 27 13:13 |
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| oiaohm | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/25/filesharing-site-anti-piracy-honeypot-uploadertalk-user-data | Oct 27 13:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Filesharing site revealed to be anti-piracy ‘honeypot’ | Technology | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fy3jz ] | Oct 27 13:30 |
| oiaohm | This is what I suspected some had to be. | Oct 27 13:30 |
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| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/26/nsa-rally-stop-watching-washington-snowden | Oct 27 14:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Thousands gather in Washington for anti-NSA 'Stop Watching Us' rally | World news | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fy3ux ] | Oct 27 14:46 |
| Sosumi | it seems like the folks at the my digital life forums have mangaged to break kms 6 | Oct 27 15:22 |
| Sosumi | of winblows 8.1 | Oct 27 15:22 |
| Sosumi | *sight* why bother... | Oct 27 15:22 |
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| MinceR | 'kms 6'? | Oct 27 15:44 |
| Sosumi | key management server | Oct 27 15:52 |
| Sosumi | used to activate volume releases | Oct 27 15:52 |
| iophk | http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/23/technology/with-new-apple-ipads-tablets-move-closer-to-passing-pcs-in-sales.html | Oct 27 16:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/fy44o ] | Oct 27 16:00 |
| iophk | Apple said iWork ... would be free to anyone who bought a new Macintosh computer or mobile device from Apple. | Oct 27 16:00 |
| iophk | " " | Oct 27 16:00 |
| iophk | Too bad that probably won't address ODF | Oct 27 16:08 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 27 16:15 |
| iophk | Though if they were serious about gaining market share away from M$, they sure shouldn't let their users stay on M$ formats. | Oct 27 16:16 |
| iophk | Know anyone with iWorks that can answer that, MinceR? | Oct 27 16:16 |
| MinceR | i don't know anyone who uses hypeWorks | Oct 27 16:16 |
| iophk | I heard Keynote had a good UI and functions, but there's no version that runs on Linux nor is it FOSS | Oct 27 16:18 |
| MinceR | keynote is crap | Oct 27 16:19 |
| iophk | I haven't seen it. | Oct 27 16:19 |
| MinceR | the one time i saw it in use, it didn't magnify slides to fill the screen in a slideshow | Oct 27 16:19 |
| iophk | Only heard about it. | Oct 27 16:19 |
| MinceR | so it was unusable | Oct 27 16:19 |
| iophk | Hmmm. | Oct 27 16:19 |
| MinceR | they poor guy ended up showing the slides in edit mode | Oct 27 16:19 |
| iophk | Powerpoint was broken the last time I saw it. | Oct 27 16:20 |
| MinceR | but still struggled with maximizing the window, as OSuX can't maximize windows properly | Oct 27 16:20 |
| iophk | However, LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org don't have such great presentation graphics yet | Oct 27 16:20 |
| MinceR | i prefer LaTeX+Beamer. | Oct 27 16:20 |
| MinceR | and keyjnote if i want 3d transitions | Oct 27 16:20 |
| iophk | LaTeX would be good to know | Oct 27 16:20 |
| MinceR | LaTeX+Beamer can generate and maintain index slides automatically, for example. | Oct 27 16:21 |
| MinceR | it also takes care of visual styles and color schemes so you don't have to. | Oct 27 16:21 |
| iophk | LO and OOo are hard to work with. I can't remember details, just the slowness of the process. | Oct 27 16:21 |
| iophk | -- for presentation graphics. | Oct 27 16:22 |
| iophk | Spreadsheets and wordprocessing are OK | Oct 27 16:22 |
| MinceR | afaik they're equivalent to powerpoint, except they don't have the ribbon | Oct 27 16:22 |
| iophk | the "ribbon" will go on the shelf next to "bob" | Oct 27 16:22 |
| MinceR | maybe, if "metro" replaces it | Oct 27 16:23 |
| iophk | M$ still has the muscle to push it for a while longer, but people are having less of that and the "ribbon" | Oct 27 16:23 |
| iophk | It's like they're having a contest to see how much they can lower productivity. | Oct 27 16:23 |
| MinceR | indee | Oct 27 16:23 |
| MinceR | d | Oct 27 16:23 |
| iophk | M$ software puts businesses into crisis mode. | Oct 27 16:23 |
| iophk | It's got to be a monumental drag on national economies. | Oct 27 16:24 |
| iophk | Then there is the M$ malware... | Oct 27 16:24 |
| iophk | I'm worried they got to Bruce Schneier. He admits to running Windows and in some of his presentations has touched on M$ talking points. Not many, just some. | Oct 27 16:25 |
| MinceR | :/ | Oct 27 16:25 |
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| Sosumi | I've always thought iWork was junk even compared to the M$ version of office for mac | Oct 27 16:35 |
| Sosumi | which is pretty much lacking compared to the winblows versions | Oct 27 16:36 |
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| iophk | M$ Office for Mac was even worse than the Windows version. | Oct 27 16:36 |
| Sosumi | was? | Oct 27 16:36 |
| Sosumi | is | Oct 27 16:36 |
| iophk | Do they still make it? | Oct 27 16:36 |
| Sosumi | yep | Oct 27 16:37 |
| Sosumi | they still do | Oct 27 16:37 |
| iophk | LibreOffice and OpenOffice.org passed it, at least on the Mac. | Oct 27 16:37 |
| Sosumi | although, the thing is pretty much dead | Oct 27 16:37 |
| Sosumi | yeah | Oct 27 16:37 |
| iophk | M$ Office on Mac was only good if you needed to burn the 8 hours in your work day without regard to getting anything done. | Oct 27 16:38 |
| iophk | Even between Windows versions there were incompatibilities which made things print out or display incorrectly or weirdly. | Oct 27 16:38 |
| Sosumi | yep | Oct 27 16:38 |
| iophk | You needed PDF really, so that leads to LO and OOo. | Oct 27 16:39 |
| iophk | Though if you can't say it in plain text, it's probably not worth saying anyway. | Oct 27 16:39 |
| MinceR | http://asset-9.soup.io/asset/5921/9966_9b35.jpeg | Oct 27 17:13 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | MinceR: could make one like http://asset-9.soup.io/asset/5921/9966_9b35.jpeg for Christianity too | Oct 27 17:20 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 27 17:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | the problem is ignorance, and cultures that promote or depend on ignorance | Oct 27 17:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | like religions, schools, etc. | Oct 27 17:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | although schools are usually selective with facts | Oct 27 17:20 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | they don't tend to distort them when there is a chain of accountability, except when they teach or are managed by religion | Oct 27 17:21 |
| Sosumi | nice beardies | Oct 27 17:21 |
| Sosumi | I wander if they hide a fist in there just like chuck norris | Oct 27 17:22 |
| Sosumi | but look, what those beduins are saying is exactly the same crap early priesthoods used to spin around | Oct 27 17:24 |
| Sosumi | not just limited to early catholic church, which borrows heavily from the early solar cults too | Oct 27 17:26 |
| MinceR | chuck norris has no fist there | Oct 27 17:26 |
| Sosumi | mythraism, etc | Oct 27 17:27 |
| MinceR | "There is no chin behind Chuck Norris’ beard. There is only the quivering fear of gay marriage. " | Oct 27 17:27 |
| Sosumi | lol | Oct 27 17:27 |
| iophk | http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2013/10/27/apple-and-google-arent-crushing-microsofts-office.aspx | Oct 27 17:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.fool.com | Apple and Google Aren't Crushing Microsoft’s Office -- Yet (AAPL, GOOG, MSFT) [ http://ur1.ca/fy4du ] | Oct 27 17:29 |
| iophk | "brought in one-third of the company's revenue and 60% of its profit." | Oct 27 17:30 |
| iophk | Control over the file formats brings in over 60% of the profit. | Oct 27 17:31 |
| Sosumi | the only suits that can be beat m$ office are the foss offices | Oct 27 17:31 |
| Sosumi | google offers you a cloud solution which is no thank you | Oct 27 17:31 |
| iophk | They get no press coverage. | Oct 27 17:31 |
| iophk | "cloud" is another form of lock-in | Oct 27 17:31 |
| Sosumi | crapple offers both cloud and local | Oct 27 17:31 |
| MinceR | on the other hand, m$ and crApple may move to the cloud too | Oct 27 17:31 |
| Sosumi | yes, lock in and prism | Oct 27 17:31 |
| iophk | The FOSS suites get no mention, even in articles bemoaning M$ products. | Oct 27 17:32 |
| MinceR | most users don't realize that there are problems with the cloud | Oct 27 17:32 |
| iophk | It's like there is some kind of prohibition on mentioning them. | Oct 27 17:32 |
| Sosumi | and that's shamefull | Oct 27 17:32 |
| MinceR | so there will probably be little resistance | Oct 27 17:32 |
| iophk | renaming things to the cloud means that all the decades of argument against "hosting" are gone | Oct 27 17:32 |
| Sosumi | and ppl are total dumbeffers for going into the cloud mantra | Oct 27 17:33 |
| iophk | It's "new" otherwise it wouldn't be called "cloud" | Oct 27 17:34 |
| Sosumi | my god, submitting confidential files like research documents and financial information to a third party | Oct 27 17:34 |
| iophk | It certainly can't be that hosting we've already dismissed. | Oct 27 17:34 |
| Sosumi | that's like shooting oneself with a ion canon | Oct 27 17:34 |
| iophk | And letting that third party control access, too. | Oct 27 17:34 |
| Sosumi | yep | Oct 27 17:35 |
| iophk | Mother May I ... read my file? | Oct 27 17:35 |
| iophk | It certainly makes surveillance easier and more thorough. | Oct 27 17:35 |
| Sosumi | and then we have fascistoparanoid government/corporations snooping everything | Oct 27 17:35 |
| Sosumi | well at this point, gov and coorporations are exactly the same thing | Oct 27 17:36 |
| Sosumi | since the nation state is dead | Oct 27 17:36 |
| iophk | It's now the corporate state, if anything. | Oct 27 17:36 |
| Sosumi | we are in deux ex turned real | Oct 27 17:36 |
| Sosumi | remember the 1997 game? | Oct 27 17:37 |
| iophk | no | Oct 27 17:37 |
| iophk | it was probably a model for some, | Oct 27 17:37 |
| iophk | like 1984 | Oct 27 17:37 |
| Sosumi | yep | Oct 27 17:37 |
| Sosumi | also, benched one of my 2009 mac pros, opengl on osx is still crap compared to winblows or linux | Oct 27 17:41 |
| Sosumi | also, if there's a program that requires xquartz and you move the window to a second screen | Oct 27 17:42 |
| Sosumi | it crashes | Oct 27 17:42 |
| Sosumi | lawl | Oct 27 17:42 |
| Sosumi | tested on a dual xeon 5570, 32gb ram, hd5870 | Oct 27 17:43 |
| Sosumi | the other pro as a gtx 285, but can't be turned off | Oct 27 17:44 |
| Sosumi | so can't tell how good nvidia drivers are | Oct 27 17:44 |
| Sosumi | probably crap like usual | Oct 27 17:44 |
| iophk | I haven't followed nvidia. | Oct 27 17:46 |
| iophk | I thought IBM and ATI passed them with OSS drivers | Oct 27 17:46 |
| Sosumi | IBM? or intel | Oct 27 17:47 |
| iophk | Sorry Intel | Oct 27 17:47 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 27 17:47 |
| Sosumi | but I was refering to moronicks | Oct 27 17:47 |
| Sosumi | just benching the thing | Oct 27 17:47 |
| Sosumi | it was free as beer anyways | Oct 27 17:48 |
| iophk | with who-knows-what kind of payload inside the blob | Oct 27 17:49 |
| Sosumi | you actually don't know anything | Oct 27 17:53 |
| Sosumi | all you can do is use tools like little snitch to monitor outbound traffic | Oct 27 17:53 |
| iophk | if it's not too obfuscated | Oct 27 17:53 |
| Sosumi | yes, and even then somethings bypass it | Oct 27 17:54 |
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| Sosumi | although back in 10.7 I was noticing that osx was calling apple diagnostics server even through I had that functionality disabled | Oct 27 17:55 |
| Sosumi | on the security pane | Oct 27 17:55 |
| Sosumi | to not submit reports | Oct 27 17:55 |
| Sosumi | so, you can't really trust anything if you're not allowed to audit the source code | Oct 27 17:56 |
| iophk | basically | Oct 27 17:56 |
| iophk | especially if there is money to be made selling info about the users | Oct 27 17:56 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: hi | Oct 27 17:57 |
| Sosumi | touché | Oct 27 17:57 |
| iophk | hi | Oct 27 17:57 |
| Sosumi | seb³ | Oct 27 17:57 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I feel so stressed out | Oct 27 17:57 |
| sebsebseb | at the moment | Oct 27 17:57 |
| sebsebseb | or kind of thing | Oct 27 17:57 |
| sebsebseb | technical issues | Oct 27 17:57 |
| iophk | Mageia issues? | Oct 27 17:57 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they are really stubborn about having these remasters | Oct 27 17:57 |
| sebsebseb | and they want for all the distros | Oct 27 17:57 |
| iophk | :( | Oct 27 17:57 |
| MinceR | you should also be able to audit the hardware, though | Oct 27 17:57 |
| sebsebseb | idea now is too just give out remasters on the USB | Oct 27 17:57 |
| MinceR | and you'll need a way around Trusting Trust attacks | Oct 27 17:57 |
| iophk | remastering , that's wasted effort | Oct 27 17:57 |
| sebsebseb | and mayde do a few installs there from them to | Oct 27 17:57 |
| sebsebseb | remaster with all the security updates up to the creatio date of it | Oct 27 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | and a few pre installed apps for Joe and Jane average | Oct 27 17:58 |
| iophk | MinceR: http://www.dwheeler.com/trusting-trust/ | Oct 27 17:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.dwheeler.com | Fully Countering Trusting Trust through Diverse Double-Compiling (DDC) - Countering Trojan Horse attacks on Compilers | Oct 27 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: problem is all the tools that are for Magiea suck | Oct 27 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | they are out dated | Oct 27 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | or compex too use etc | Oct 27 17:58 |
| iophk | What is the package manager? | Oct 27 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: then other tools that I may be abble to use instead such as mklivecd aren't in the reos or whatver and uh | Oct 27 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | that would let me just copy the partition and everything in it | Oct 27 17:58 |
| sebsebseb | and make a live cd of that it seems | Oct 27 17:58 |
| iophk | Like I wrote before, having the visitors install a package will help train them to be independent when they get their machine home. | Oct 27 17:59 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and I got four weeks or so to make a test re master | Oct 27 17:59 |
| sebsebseb | ohama: or well it may not be one of the distros at the event | Oct 27 17:59 |
| iophk | Take it one step at a time then | Oct 27 17:59 |
| sebsebseb | that's baialy what he told me yesterday | Oct 27 17:59 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yes been though all that | Oct 27 17:59 |
| sebsebseb | ,but no that's not what is going too be done | Oct 27 17:59 |
| sebsebseb | in fact they only want remasters realy as well | Oct 27 17:59 |
| sebsebseb | they think having tandard live cd's that there isn't much point | Oct 27 18:00 |
| sebsebseb | they are stubbor and obbssesed about these remasters | Oct 27 18:00 |
| sebsebseb | stubborn and obbssessed | Oct 27 18:00 |
| iophk | sounds stupid | Oct 27 18:00 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: also installs wil ony happen if there is time | Oct 27 18:00 |
| sebsebseb | idea is to show them stuff on demonstration computers, and give out remasterd USB's | Oct 27 18:00 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: unforutnatly all the Maiea tools are comlex to use to make a re master | Oct 27 18:00 |
| iophk | have the demo computers there, but prioritize what is difficult or frightening | Oct 27 18:01 |
| sebsebseb | or out dated as well and uh | Oct 27 18:01 |
| iophk | Only the first one or two are hard. | Oct 27 18:01 |
| iophk | Keep written notes. | Oct 27 18:01 |
| iophk | Then once the first one is done, you have a recipe. | Oct 27 18:01 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: once the first what is done | Oct 27 18:01 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Oct 27 18:01 |
| iophk | The first remaster / custom ISO | Oct 27 18:01 |
| iophk | I've done RedHat and Ubuntu, but those were a while ago. | Oct 27 18:02 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: the Mageia remaster tools are old or out dated or very complex to use | Oct 27 18:02 |
| iophk | You'll want a second computer | Oct 27 18:02 |
| iophk | complex is not a problem if you can figure it out once. | Oct 27 18:02 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: sounds like trying too install thsi mklivecd may be the way to go, but that's not in the reos etc | Oct 27 18:02 |
| sebsebseb | that woud just copy the patition and whats on it, into a live cd | Oct 27 18:03 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and I hae four weeks or so to make this remaster or Maigea may not be one of the distros at the event, that's basially what he told me yesterday | Oct 27 18:03 |
| iophk | Another reason to go with an off-the-shelf standard LiveCD is that the visitors will be familiar with it if they encounter it again. | Oct 27 18:03 |
| iophk | That helps them gain independence | Oct 27 18:03 |
| iophk | otherwise they think they are dependent on your group. | Oct 27 18:04 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yes we been through all that already | Oct 27 18:04 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: but nope they want to do these re masterd with pre installed stuff | Oct 27 18:04 |
| sebsebseb | apparnatly instals would be done from the remaster to if any | Oct 27 18:04 |
| iophk | Do you have the equipment? 2 DVD RW or CD RW, 1 machine with Linux and a burner, 1 machine for install testing | Oct 27 18:04 |
| iophk | ? | Oct 27 18:04 |
| iophk | ? | Oct 27 18:04 |
| iophk | That's unreasonable to not do installs. | Oct 27 18:05 |
| iophk | The demos should show *standard* distros plus a highlighted app or two. | Oct 27 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: the idea now is, only too do installs at the eent if there is time | Oct 27 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | say not that many people | Oct 27 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: eent is only sixhours | Oct 27 18:05 |
| iophk | That's a lot of installs | Oct 27 18:05 |
| iophk | still | Oct 27 18:05 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so the idea is to not do any installs at all | Oct 27 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and only if there s time do some | Oct 27 18:06 |
| iophk | Figure 45 min per person per sinstall | Oct 27 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | it's about showing and giving out a remter more so than installs | Oct 27 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | it's not really an installfest now | Oct 27 18:06 |
| iophk | To me it sounds like a mistake, | Oct 27 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: it's a live showing infest or whatever | Oct 27 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | it's not realy a install fest now | Oct 27 18:06 |
| iophk | Yeah it can't be called an installfest now | Oct 27 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: idea is to send them back to us afte rwoulds if they want to install later for a lot | Oct 27 18:06 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they want too al the event itself, Linux Live 2014 | Oct 27 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | I have untill Monday | Oct 27 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | to suggest a better name | Oct 27 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | if I have one | Oct 27 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | otherwise yep Linux Live 2014 | Oct 27 18:07 |
| iophk | It's not even a live showing if there are not std Live DVD s any more. | Oct 27 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | well the re msters are stilll Live media's | Oct 27 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah not stanard ones | Oct 27 18:07 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: someome suggestd mklivecd too me to make the remaster of Magiea | Oct 27 18:08 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: instead of messing around with these complex outdated Magiea tools that's draklive and bcd | Oct 27 18:08 |
| sebsebseb | ,but with mkliecd not sure quite hwere to download the sript etc | Oct 27 18:09 |
| iophk | I used Kickstart, but that was a bit before Live CDs were common | Oct 27 18:09 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Kickstarter I heard of that recently, sinece the guy was saying something about that and Fedora | Oct 27 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | https://github.com/dillj/Unity-Linux/tree/master/mklivecd | Oct 27 18:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | github.com | Unity-Linux/mklivecd at master · dillj/Unity-Linux · GitHub [ http://ur1.ca/fy4he ] | Oct 27 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | can I get source code for the srpt from that? | Oct 27 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | I can't see a download link | Oct 27 18:10 |
| sebsebseb | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mklivecd | Oct 27 18:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Mklivecd - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Oct 27 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | officl site no longe there it seems as well | Oct 27 18:11 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: what's the site for kickstart? | Oct 27 18:13 |
| iophk | It's not a site. | Oct 27 18:14 |
| iophk | It's an installation method. | Oct 27 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | how to use that? | Oct 27 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | and how to get this mklivecd? | Oct 27 18:14 |
| sebsebseb | and uh | Oct 27 18:14 |
| iophk | It won't be good for a live CD, just for installation. | Oct 27 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: oh | Oct 27 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | well anyway then | Oct 27 18:15 |
| iophk | During boot, you point to a configuration file | Oct 27 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | how to get mklivecd? | Oct 27 18:15 |
| iophk | then it installs packages | Oct 27 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | if I can just copy an already exiting instal and make a livvecd of it | Oct 27 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | that is proaby the easiter way | Oct 27 18:15 |
| iophk | mklivecd? There might be other Live CD tools. | Oct 27 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | and apparnatlly with this mklivecd I can | Oct 27 18:15 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: there are other tools that can apparnaty make a live cd, but they aren't any good | Oct 27 18:15 |
| iophk | http://livecd.berlios.de/?Documentation:HowTo_Create_A_LiveCD | Oct 27 18:16 |
| iophk | ? | Oct 27 18:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | livecd.berlios.de | HowTo Create A LiveCD [ http://ur1.ca/fy4hs ] | Oct 27 18:16 |
| iophk | taht uses mklivecd too | Oct 27 18:16 |
| iophk | Is mklivecd in Mageia's repository? | Oct 27 18:17 |
| sebsebseb | that's a old article | Oct 27 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | the link for downloading mklivecd doen't work a well | Oct 27 18:19 |
| sebsebseb | and no mklivecd doesn't seem to be in Mageia's repo's as I belie I put earier | Oct 27 18:19 |
| iophk | right, you should use what's in the repository | Oct 27 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | wel it's not in the repo's | Oct 27 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Oct 27 18:20 |
| iophk | is there a forum or mailing list for Mageia powerusers? | Oct 27 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | I sent a email to discuss askin g about remasteirng | Oct 27 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | last night | Oct 27 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | one repy suggestd mklivecd | Oct 27 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | another from smeone I had talkd to on IRC about stuff went through the tools and said stuff about them being complated etc | Oct 27 18:20 |
| sebsebseb | and someone suggestd something else, but yeah | Oct 27 18:21 |
| iophk | what else was suggested? | Oct 27 18:21 |
| iophk | It has to fit with RPM distros | Oct 27 18:21 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/04/us-adobe-cyberattack-idUSBRE99212Y20131004 | Oct 27 18:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.reuters.com | Adobe says source code, customer data stolen by hackers | Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/fy4ii ] | Oct 27 18:21 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I'll show you these two other emails | Oct 27 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | was just going to start copying one in the message of | Oct 27 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | not incuding my own message agian of course though | Oct 27 18:22 |
| sebsebseb | I looked at the BCD documentiaton PDF last night by the way, which seems to have just come over from Mandria | Oct 27 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah I don't understand that realy | Oct 27 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | anyway messages | Oct 27 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | : | Oct 27 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | I'm also interested in remastering isos. Seems like we have 3 options | Oct 27 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | for doing this: draklive, bcd and isomaster - all of them are not user | Oct 27 18:23 |
| sebsebseb | friendly. | Oct 27 18:23 |
| iophk | Can you link to the archived answers? | Oct 27 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 27 18:24 | |
| sebsebseb | Draklive... used to build live isos | Oct 27 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | In the past i was able to create some updated/remastered isos with | Oct 27 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | draklive. It was Mandriva 2010 and Mageia 1. | Oct 27 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | After Mageia 1 I tried it few times but with no luck. Seems like | Oct 27 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | version we have available on SVN/GIT is not the one currently used | Oct 27 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | for creating live isos. | Oct 27 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | I hope it will be available some day, then I will write some how-to on the wiki. | Oct 27 18:24 |
| iophk | which one is the most actively developed? | Oct 27 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 27 18:24 | |
| sebsebseb | BCD... used to build classical installer isos (DVD, dualcd) | Oct 27 18:24 |
| sebsebseb | I have never used this tool | Oct 27 18:24 |
| iophk | Is draklive the most actively developed one? | Oct 27 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 27 18:25 | |
| sebsebseb | Isomaster.... also not user friendly but works. If no better option | Oct 27 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | will be available I will try to write how-to for it after Mageia 4 | Oct 27 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | release. | Oct 27 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | that's his message | Oct 27 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | and draklive apparatly is the one that the offical live cd's are made with, but acording to this guy, it's all out dated in the repo | Oct 27 18:25 |
| sebsebseb | also on Friday/Thursday I een emailed the guy who maks the offical live cd's and what not about makng a remaster, and yep no reply unfortunatlly | Oct 27 18:26 |
| sebsebseb | someone else sent me this: | Oct 27 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | I'm not an expert, but I would start by taking an mga3 iso, unpacking it, creating the corresponding update directories, and then creating the other corresponding files, in parallel with what you find in the initial directories. | Oct 27 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | The iso's are only about 4G, leaving about 700M free for adding updates and other packages. | Oct 27 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | If you remove any existing packages, the associated package lists and MD5SUM's will have to be changed. | Oct 27 18:27 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 27 18:27 | |
| sebsebseb | All the changes should be under /i586/ (for 32bit) or /x86_64/ (for 64 bit). | Oct 27 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | Some regular files there, as well as under .../media/*. | Oct 27 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | I don't know how the hdlist.cz and synthesis.hdlist.cz files are created | Oct 27 18:28 |
| iophk | From what I remember the package list and checksums are calcualted when the ISO image is created. | Oct 27 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 27 18:28 | |
| sebsebseb | HTH, at least to start ... | Oct 27 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I have never made a remate of any distro before | Oct 27 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: so this is all new to me | Oct 27 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | and typial this distro doens't have some nice GU to use to make them | Oct 27 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | like Mint and Open Suse do | Oct 27 18:28 |
| sebsebseb | easy enough for the Open Suse guy to make one for that distro and so on, but here it's the opposoite | Oct 27 18:29 |
| sebsebseb | and Google doesn't realy help eeither when looking stuff up it seems | Oct 27 18:29 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: am I really going too have to e like in four weeks | Oct 27 18:29 |
| sebsebseb | no I can't make the remaster it seems | Oct 27 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | and then be told that there won't be Magiea as one of the distros? | Oct 27 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | probably | Oct 27 18:30 |
| iophk | Don't worrry about the 4 weeks. Worry about which tool to start with. | Oct 27 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | uh | Oct 27 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: according to that guy who also emailed me, it seems there may be a een more updated darklive | Oct 27 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | ,but not in the repo's | Oct 27 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | the offical LIve Media's are made using it | Oct 27 18:30 |
| iophk | can you install it anyway? | Oct 27 18:30 |
| sebsebseb | I did instll dark live and the thing for that | Oct 27 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I just seem to get the installer opended and that's it | Oct 27 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | I don't understnad about this dark lie etc | Oct 27 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | and I tried to open from terminal and didnt get far before a well and uh | Oct 27 18:31 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't know what to do here | Oct 27 18:32 |
| iophk | mkisofs -b isolinux/isolinux.bin -c boot.cat -V Custom_Disc -o /kickstart.iso -no-emul-boot -boot-info-table -r -l /kickstart/ | Oct 27 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | and there doesn't seem too just be some remasteirng expert that I can turn too for help, for this distro. as well uh | Oct 27 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | what does that command do? | Oct 27 18:32 |
| sebsebseb | is that meant to make a ISO? | Oct 27 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | or file system of | Oct 27 18:33 |
| iophk | It makes an ISO image from a bunch of files on your HD | Oct 27 18:33 |
| sebsebseb | oh | Oct 27 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | which files? | Oct 27 18:34 |
| iophk | You basically unpack the CD or DVD onto the HD | Oct 27 18:34 |
| iophk | then make some changes | Oct 27 18:34 |
| iophk | then use mkisofs to build an ISO | Oct 27 18:34 |
| iophk | the you burn it to CD RW or DVD RW | Oct 27 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | yeah I guess I can just do it all on the command line | Oct 27 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | if I know the commands | Oct 27 18:34 |
| sebsebseb | is that what your getting at here or? | Oct 27 18:34 |
| iophk | yes | Oct 27 18:34 |
| iophk | it may be faster and easier that way. | Oct 27 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: all I want too do though is really just take an offical image | Oct 27 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | say the Live CD | Oct 27 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | or I uess maye een the Live DVD with English only on it | Oct 27 18:35 |
| iophk | That should work. | Oct 27 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | pre install all the security updates | Oct 27 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | up to the creation of my re master | Oct 27 18:35 |
| sebsebseb | and a few additional apps as well that Joe and Jane average may want pre intalled | Oct 27 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think dralive is a comand line one too | Oct 27 18:36 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: might have to reome some progrms like gimp for space reaosns to, or, beuase they don't want gimp pre intalled maybe | Oct 27 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | I think gimp is by default | Oct 27 18:37 |
| iophk | Do keep notes on what you want. | Oct 27 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | well he has this idea to have the sme pe installed apps in all of them | Oct 27 18:37 |
| sebsebseb | as in when select our own pre installed apps, they all have the same ones | Oct 27 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | and also that might have to remove more than just translations for space reasons,so gimp too for example | Oct 27 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ,but really I just need to make some kind of test remaster | Oct 27 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | of Magiea | Oct 27 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | to show it can be done etc | Oct 27 18:38 |
| sebsebseb | and that I can do it, later on I would have to make the real one with Mageia 4 | Oct 27 18:38 |
| iophk | How about this? | Oct 27 18:39 |
| iophk | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_a_Live_CD | Oct 27 18:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fedoraproject.org | How to create and use a Live CD - FedoraProject [ http://ur1.ca/0860w ] | Oct 27 18:39 |
| sebsebseb | security upatses, and pre intsalled apps | Oct 27 18:39 |
| iophk | can that be imported to mageia | Oct 27 18:39 |
| iophk | ? | Oct 27 18:40 |
| iophk | I forgot about VirtualBox or Qemu. | Oct 27 18:40 |
| iophk | You can use them to test your ISO images before burning them. | Oct 27 18:40 |
| iophk | I'd recommend Qemu because that can be launched entirely from the shell. | Oct 27 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well livecd-creator isn't in Mageia's repo's it seems | Oct 27 18:41 |
| sebsebseb | PC Linux OS has some kind of GUI made by texstar it seems that uses mkliecd too going by wht I read earlier as well | Oct 27 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | and PC Linux OS was based on Manrake in 2003 so hmm | Oct 27 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | what I been thining is could I use that for example, but to make one for Mageia hmm | Oct 27 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I have also bee thinking if I give up sine all this emaster stupidty, I might just try and suggest PCLOS instead uh | Oct 27 18:42 |
| sebsebseb | well it has the contorl centre to and is a stable rolling release | Oct 27 18:43 |
| iophk | I still think it's stupid not to use stock disc images | Oct 27 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | as for virtual machines indeed can test the remasterd ISO like that first | Oct 27 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well there won't be any local repo's either with this idea | Oct 27 18:43 |
| iophk | Yes, the VM can be lauchned from one line and run all the way through the boot up. | Oct 27 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | turns out the room has ethernet as well | Oct 27 18:43 |
| sebsebseb | as well as wifi at the venue | Oct 27 18:43 |
| iophk | Ethernet connected to what? | Oct 27 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | the Internet I guess | Oct 27 18:44 |
| iophk | Yes but what quality? | Oct 27 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | I don't know | Oct 27 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I hpe they haven't picked a too stupi room | Oct 27 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | ,beause of it eing central | Oct 27 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I mean it's smaller than the one that coul hae gotat this other place | Oct 27 18:44 |
| sebsebseb | ,but someone would e the recetionsits for the event basially, control the door etc | Oct 27 18:45 |
| iophk | yeah it increases staffing requirements | Oct 27 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | yeah, but bene given it free | Oct 27 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | that's why it has won | Oct 27 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | and two of them haveseen that room, but I haven't | Oct 27 18:45 |
| sebsebseb | ,but I was at the same venue the other week looking at another room | Oct 27 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | it's a very popular well known venue in the centre of the city | Oct 27 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | ,but the room itself can only fir about 30 to 40 peope max it seems | Oct 27 18:46 |
| iophk | free is good | Oct 27 18:46 |
| iophk | maybe you'll have to throw people out if it gets too crowded | Oct 27 18:46 |
| *__martin__ has quit (Quit: leaving) | Oct 27 18:46 | |
| sebsebseb | so she may have to control the door, the number of people in the room depending on who turns up etc | Oct 27 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | and she has to do that nayway | Oct 27 18:46 |
| sebsebseb | since t's not realy a public room as such | Oct 27 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: exatct | Oct 27 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | exactly she may have to not let in certian people if it gets to crowded | Oct 27 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | or not let them in yet | Oct 27 18:47 |
| iophk | tazer! | Oct 27 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they think 200 people for the whole day | Oct 27 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | may not even get that | Oct 27 18:47 |
| sebsebseb | ,but we'll see I guess | Oct 27 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: it's the nicer venue and the more central, but it's also a smaller room so hmm | Oct 27 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ,but this is going oo be a Mint and Open Suse event by the looks of it | Oct 27 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | and maybe Ubuntu or Fedora as well | Oct 27 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | unless I can do this remaster uh | Oct 27 18:48 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't know what to doo | Oct 27 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | I think draklive is a command ine thing to | Oct 27 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | and then with that bcd got to make like a script for it as well or something uh | Oct 27 18:49 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: i just wanted to go with standard install media and loal repo's, but no got to od things this way uh | Oct 27 18:50 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe you can install Mageia in a vm at least? and try and make a remaster yourself orsomething? | Oct 27 18:50 |
| *sebsebseb needs proper help here hmm | Oct 27 18:51 | |
| sebsebseb | iophk: this wole remater thing hs een stresing me out every time I have thought of it | Oct 27 18:51 |
| sebsebseb | ever since it was suggested and sugested and suggested and oh yeah let's do the remaster | Oct 27 18:51 |
| iophk | don't think of the whole thing then | Oct 27 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | ,beause it's so asy to make for Mint and OpenSUse | Oct 27 18:52 |
| iophk | think of the first step only | Oct 27 18:52 |
| iophk | Look at Fedora, then | Oct 27 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | I remember sitting at that meeting saying to this guy, I don't know how to make them, but I'll try and find out for Maiea | Oct 27 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | then the other week I got nagged where's your remaaster ? by another oen | Oct 27 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | I sent email eplaining I had tech issues etc,but I am on my own | Oct 27 18:52 |
| sebsebseb | these people won't help me try and make one it seems for this distro | Oct 27 18:53 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: look at Fedora? | Oct 27 18:53 |
| sebsebseb | I said that iso ceate tool in that Fedora page isn't in Mageia's repo's so hmm | Oct 27 18:53 |
| sebsebseb | that isobuilder that guy mentioend using before isn't in the repos either it seems so hmm | Oct 27 18:53 |
| sebsebseb | yeah these complated tools to use draklive and bcd are in the repos though of course | Oct 27 18:53 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: of course this can be done, but how and so on, and it's probaby not that dififcult too do really once know what doing, but uh | Oct 27 18:55 |
| iophk | What other forums have you posted to? | Oct 27 18:55 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: here's how I see it as well, saing how great Mageia was, may come backand get at me | Oct 27 18:55 |
| sebsebseb | if I can't remeaster | Oct 27 18:55 |
| iophk | LinuxQuestions, StackExchange? | Oct 27 18:55 |
| sebsebseb | uh | Oct 27 18:55 |
| sebsebseb | no not on any forums yet | Oct 27 18:56 |
| sebsebseb | I did think I could start a thread on the Magiea forum as well though if neassarey, but I sent out a emai to discuss that got replies last night | Oct 27 18:56 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think if I can just copy a install tand make a liecd out of it using mklivecd | Oct 27 18:56 |
| sebsebseb | that is the easiest way too go, but no mklivecd in repos it seems so hmm | Oct 27 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: should I give up, and just well let it be a Mitn and Open SUse an whatever event | Oct 27 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | no agiea | Oct 27 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Oct 27 18:57 |
| sebsebseb | :( | Oct 27 18:58 |
| iophk | Fedora at least. | Oct 27 19:02 |
| iophk | Start the thread on the Mageia forum too. You can explore several communications media in parallel | Oct 27 19:02 |
| iophk | . | Oct 27 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: does this page make much sense too you or? https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Draklive also it actsaullly mentions mklivecd a bit, but uhmm see for yourself | Oct 27 19:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | wiki.mageia.org | Draklive - Mageia wiki | Oct 27 19:03 |
| sebsebseb | https://wiki.mageia.org/en/Draklive | Oct 27 19:03 |
| iophk | " Bu Şablon Hakkında " ???? | Oct 27 19:04 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: what? | Oct 27 19:08 |
| iophk | It was on that wiki page | Oct 27 19:10 |
| iophk | it's not all in English | Oct 27 19:10 |
| iophk | I don't see enough info on that page to customize the disc | Oct 27 19:10 |
| iophk | Have you posted to the forum yet? | Oct 27 19:10 |
| sebsebseb | no | Oct 27 19:12 |
| iophk | Please do so. They can't help until you have asked. | Oct 27 19:12 |
| iophk | There are people in all timezones so it is good to get the question in as soon as you can. | Oct 27 19:13 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah, but I feel to stressed out too mess around resetting my password and posting on forum an such | Oct 27 19:16 |
| sebsebseb | at the moment | Oct 27 19:16 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I did look there just now though | Oct 27 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | there's a basic support area | Oct 27 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | and a adanced support area | Oct 27 19:17 |
| sebsebseb | what does htis go unde advanced since the tools aren't user friendly hmm | Oct 27 19:17 |
| iophk | probably advanced | Oct 27 19:18 |
| sebsebseb | yeah that's what I am thinking | Oct 27 19:18 |
| iophk | custom LiveDVDs are a power-user kind of thing | Oct 27 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I'll reply to emails soon | Oct 27 19:19 |
| sebsebseb | ,but not messing around with forum for now | Oct 27 19:19 |
| iophk | Do you have your password reset yet and loggedinot the forum? | Oct 27 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | need a break from all this I think | Oct 27 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | some mindless TV | Oct 27 19:20 |
| iophk | Do the forum(s) in parallel, post and then you can forget for today | Oct 27 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | parallel post ? | Oct 27 19:20 |
| sebsebseb | hmm yeah or do the foru post in a bit ike your saying, and then wait for replies etc | Oct 27 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | and watch TV or whatever | Oct 27 19:21 |
| iophk | yes rest while the replies come in | Oct 27 19:21 |
| sebsebseb | I got Under The Dome to catch up on | Oct 27 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | Nikita to catch up on as well, we are quite behind in UK, but what was on TV, the last two Friday's | Oct 27 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | I got the Blacklist to catch up on a wlel | Oct 27 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | as well | Oct 27 19:22 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: do you watch any of those shows? | Oct 27 19:23 |
| sebsebseb | unde the dome maybe? | Oct 27 19:23 |
| iophk | no | Oct 27 19:35 |
| iophk | http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/How_to_create_and_use_a_Live_CD | Oct 27 19:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fedoraproject.org | How to create and use a Live CD - FedoraProject [ http://ur1.ca/0860w ] | Oct 27 19:39 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.yidio.com/show/saturday-night-live/season-39/episode-1/3310374651 | Oct 27 21:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.yidio.com | Watch Saturday Night Live Clip: Cold Open: Obamacare Video Online [ http://ur1.ca/fy4zw ] | Oct 27 21:05 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer shared WIRED's photo. | Oct 27 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | 15 minutes ago · Edited | Oct 27 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | "Back in 1994, Apple was actually at the forefront of digital photography. The QuickTake Camera’s photos (640 x 480 at 0.3 megapixels) were borderline unusable for anything other than your Geocities homepage. But technology has to start somewhere." | Oct 27 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | It's a shame that their iPad still takes low resolution pictures like this in 2013. | Oct 27 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 27 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Oct 27 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | It's also funny that Apple's Mac Minis that were released before 2009 aren't fast enough to play a video game released with tablets in mind in 2010, while most non-Apple PCs built in 2003 will run that game. | Oct 27 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | (From the Rochard release notes) | Oct 27 21:38 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 27 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Oct 27 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | When Valve was porting Half Life 2 to Mac OS, they had to stop and ask Apple to implement GL_ARB_occlusion_query, a feature that had been in OpenGL for several years, meaning that Apple was lying to applications about which version of OpenGL it actually supported, and any program that attempted to use this feature would crash instead. | Oct 27 21:43 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 27 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | a few seconds ago | Oct 27 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | When Apple released Mac OS 10.9 this month, they bragged that they support OpenGL 4.0. I don't know if that's true or not, since Apple lies about missing features that are required for compliance with the standards, and implements features incorrectly which make them unusable. | Oct 27 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | Nevertheless.... | Oct 27 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | Khronos released OpenGL 4.0 in March of 2010. The beta Nvidia driver (for Windows and GNU/Linux) with OpenGL 4 experimental support was released in July of 2010, and AMD's beta driver was out in August of 2010. | Oct 27 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | Their official drivers have had OpenGL 4.0 support since like September/October 2010. | Oct 27 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | They currently support OpenGL 4.2 and they have beta drivers out with OpenGL 4.3. | Oct 27 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz_bed2: Around? | Oct 27 22:49 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 27 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | 39 minutes ago · | Oct 27 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | If a software license says that I can't share with others, I'm generally disinclined to use that software, because not being able to share is an anti-social and generally dysfunctional thing. | Oct 27 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | If a license for a digital work says you can't share with others, and you violate that term of use, I don't think there's anything morally wrong with that. You're causing more harm by following the rules and depriving society of something than you are by making copies for your friends. | Oct 27 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | But software is a special case, because there's really two forms of it. One is the binary form that runs on your computer, and the other is the source code that it came from, which can be altered and compiled into a different version of that program. | Oct 27 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | When proprietary software companies only give you the binaries, then there's generally not much you can do to improve the software or eliminate malicious "features" that you don't like. So, it's better not to share proprietary software with others, whether or not the license says you can do it, because then there will be one more copy of something that denies its users their freedom. | Oct 27 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | Generally, with proprietary software and malicious hostile devices like iThings, it's better to just not use them, and to not even tell other people they exist unless you're also willing to explain the problems that those things will cause them later. | Oct 27 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | Malicious software companies, like Microsoft and Apple, want things like digital restrictions malware to feel natural. They want sharing and copying to be thought of as stealing. This is not only false, it is ridiculous. | Oct 27 23:01 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ztd9m71Jc-Y | Oct 27 23:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Richard Stallman Speech - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fy5cf ] | Oct 27 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | posted to my Facebook wall | Oct 27 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | "I have to stand here and fix this damned thing every time it jams, until I get my output." -Richard Stallman (about Xerox's laser printer) | Oct 27 23:18 |
| MinceR | gn | Oct 27 23:38 |
| Sosumi | run to hills, Y2K, Y2K, erhmgerd, things are going to blow unless they run on crApple systems | Oct 27 23:49 |
| Sosumi | http://appleinsider.com/articles/13/10/27/another-daylight-saving-time-bug-strikes-apples-ios-7-affects-calendar-display | Oct 27 23:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | appleinsider.com | Another daylight saving time bug strikes Apple's iOS 7, affects calendar display [ http://ur1.ca/fy5fh ] | Oct 27 23:50 |
| Sosumi | lulz | Oct 27 23:50 |
| Sosumi | crApple can't even handle DST changes | Oct 27 23:50 |
| Sosumi | but they used to joke about windows's leap year problem | Oct 27 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | 46 seconds ago · Edited | Oct 28 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | "There are programmers that say 'If I don't agree to do this, and this, and this to get a programming job, I'll starve.' They literally claim they'll starve. | Oct 28 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | Even in India, there are millions of people who are not programmers, who are not starving, so this must be somewhat of an exaggeration. | Oct 28 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | Now, I had no other noteworthy skills, but I'm sure I could have been a waiter. Perhaps not at a fine restaurant, but I could have been a waiter somewhere. | Oct 28 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | There are two things to note about being a waiter. #1. Being a waiter is not unethical, unless it's at McDonalds. #2. As a waiter, you're not going to starve, unless it's at McDonalds. | Oct 28 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | Please be aware that the popularity of McDonalds is due to a confusion on the part of poorly educated Americans. They heard the term 'fast food' and they thought it meant 'rapid food'. They didn't realize that it meant 'food for not eating'. But that's exactly what it's meant for. | Oct 28 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | The idea is that if you are fasting, but you're getting hungry, and you're feeling a pull to eat something, you imagine that McDonalds food, and you lose your appetite. And that way you can complete your fast." -Richard Stallman, regarding Non-Disclosure Agreements (and McDonalds). | Oct 28 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | 2 hours ago · Edited | Oct 28 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | When Valve was porting Half Life 2 to Mac OS, they had to stop and ask Apple to implement GL_ARB_occlusion_query, a feature that had been in OpenGL for several years*, meaning that Apple was lying to applications about which version of OpenGL it actually supported, and any program that attempted to use this feature would crash instead. | Oct 28 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | *(I can't remember exactly when, but Half Life 2 was out in 2004, and occlusion query was a part of the Windows drivers at that point.) | Oct 28 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Apple's control freakery is so bad that they have to re-invent everything, even if it already exists, and even if their implementation is ultimately worse. | Oct 28 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Oct 28 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | Forty years ago, we had the right wing extremists soaking crosses in kerosene and setting them on fire in people's front yards. Now we have the same kind of people who work within the system to focus hatred legislatively. | Oct 28 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | They don't get the contempt they deserve because they aren't setting crosses on fire in people's lawns, but don't be fooled, they're the same people. They'll always pick on people that they don't think are strong enough to fight back. It's time to take the gloves off and stand up to these bullies and say "You know what? I'm sick of this, and I'm not going to stand here and take it from you anymore.". | Oct 28 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | We might lose (it's Indiana, which I call "the south giving the finger to the north"), but we don't have to take this quietly. | Oct 28 00:35 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | 3 minutes ago · Edited | Oct 28 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | I joked about how we'll never get rid of Leonard and Stutzman no matter how crazy they are, because the Republicans have my district so gerrymandered that the Democrats don't even bother to oppose them. | Oct 28 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | I said "There's more turnover in the Russian Kremlin than in the US House of Representatives or the Indiana House or Senate, because of these cheating Republicans.". | Oct 28 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | It's so bad that I have to leave part of my ballot blank because I refuse to rubber stamp the right wing extremist, and there's nobody else on the ballot to vote for. | Oct 28 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Oct 28 00:41 |
| DaemonFC | If a game of checkers was played between a Republican and a Democrat, the Republican would make the first eight moves and then claim it was fair because they changed the rules. | Oct 28 00:41 |
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| DaemonFC | http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/mon-october-21-2013/the-weakest-link---a-few-glitches?xrs=synd_facebook_102213_tds_85 | Oct 28 03:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.thedailyshow.com | The Weakest Link - A Few Glitches - The Daily Show with Jon Stewart - 10/21/13 - Video Clip | Comedy Central [ http://ur1.ca/fy69b ] | Oct 28 03:03 |
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| DaemonFC | Someone I know says he works two jobs. | Oct 28 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | I told him that I almost ended up doing that years ago, but I got to thinking about whether it was more important to have more time or more crap. | Oct 28 06:24 |
| DaemonFC | Then I realized that if I had no time to enjoy the extra stuff I could buy, there was no reason to have the stuff, so there was no reason to work more hours to have it. | Oct 28 06:25 |
| iophk | http://www.zdnet.com/concerns-rise-on-os-x-mavericks-gmail-compatibility-7000022481/ | Oct 28 07:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zdnet.com | Concerns rise on OS X Mavericks' Gmail compatibility | ZDNet [ http://ur1.ca/fy72h ] | Oct 28 07:47 |
| iophk | http://www.datamation.com/open-source/seven-things-you-can-do-in-kde-but-not-on-other-linux-desktops-1.html | Oct 28 08:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.datamation.com | Seven Things You Can Do in KDE (But Not on Other Linux Desktops) - Datamation [ http://ur1.ca/fy77h ] | Oct 28 08:28 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3216617 | Oct 28 09:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: By the standards of the #fbi the #us population is being radicalised. Their big fear is, this so-called "radicalisation" becomes the norm. | Oct 28 09:34 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Trying to kill the movement with the new COINTELPRO" | Oct 28 09:35 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394756299671748608 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394756856843108353 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394757169230663680 | Oct 28 09:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Europe should be grateful for NSA spying, Rogers says http://t.co/5y9WudN7bs thank you for #espionage | Oct 28 09:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.cbsnews.com | Europe should be grateful for NSA spying, Rogers says - CBS News | Oct 28 09:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 60 Minutes (CBS) has a new #propaganda piece titled "Benghazi". How will they spin that CIA Al-Qaeda feeding (arming) frenzy? | Oct 28 09:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The NSA tells us there are terrorists and the CIA can confirm because it has the receipts/invoices (weapons with blank cheque). | Oct 28 09:36 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394759778565902336 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394760023664263168 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394760450984148992 | Oct 28 09:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Recently saw some images of Marines who protest, saying they would refuse to fight in Syria because they joined to stop Al Qaeda,not help it | Oct 28 09:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Reports indicate that nothing seems as 'violent' and dangerous to secret agencies than the anti-war movement. It means we're winning. | Oct 28 09:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Many people don't know that Dawkins used to be an anti-war activist before he was a so-called 'militant' Atheist https://t.co/d9Utl0gRrK | Oct 28 09:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | TTA Podcast 131: The Richard Dawkins Interview - YouTube | Oct 28 09:40 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394763497441329152 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394763563107360768 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394764147797553152 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394764530603290624 | Oct 28 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: As if participating in protest is now terrorism... http://t.co/98Xp8sBDSu http://t.co/iBe7NpFHK1 #spain | Oct 28 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> uk.reuters.com | NSA spied on 60 million Spanish phone calls in a month - report | Reuters | Oct 28 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.ft.com | NSA monitored 60m phone calls in Spain, say media - FT.com | Oct 28 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: NSA 'monitored 60m Spanish calls in a month' http://t.co/xn6QDSt2sR wow, so many 'terrorists', maybe the majority! | Oct 28 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - NSA 'monitored 60m Spanish calls in a month' | Oct 28 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: CIA employees: "Homeland" is just inaccurate #propaganda http://t.co/IKC78NcTyu #hogwash and #pr like Zero Dark Thirty | Oct 28 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.telegraph.co.uk | Homeland nothing like real intelligence work, say CIA employees - Telegraph | Oct 28 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Former US Official: For Every Yemen Terrorist US Drones Kill, 40-60 New Enemies Are Created http://t.co/BAUERcU6ZK more business | Oct 28 10:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> antiwar.com | Former US Official: For Every Yemen Terrorist US Drones Kill, 40-60 New Enemies Are Created « Antiwar.com Blog | Oct 28 10:04 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394764831313915904 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394765186634371072 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394765581918158848 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394766346745311232 | Oct 28 10:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Without any real, profound analysis (cost analysis for example), the war on terror because as pointless as the war on sharing | Oct 28 10:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The #cia #drone attacks don't make anyone safer http://t.co/ByFTNbLISe http://t.co/2CNwOHn4Wu | Oct 28 10:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> rt.com | Each drone strike creates at least 40 new militants - ex-State Dept. official — RT USA | Oct 28 10:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.digitaljournal.com | US official: Every Yemen drone strike creates 40-60 new enemies | Oct 28 10:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Simply put, US #drones kill http://t.co/6trVJGj2ec "I saw the title “Drones make America safer.”" The power of #propaganda | Oct 28 10:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.dailycal.org | Simply put, US drones kill - The Daily Californian | Oct 28 10:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Defense One" (pro-war) is trying to say that #drones that lack human intervention/judgment are more 'secure' http://t.co/Qyu8I8RxvL | Oct 28 10:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> qz.com | The most secure drones will be able to kill without human controllers – Quartz | Oct 28 10:05 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://youngcons.com/pigs-are-flying-hollywood-celebrities-come-together-and-make-a-video-slamming-the-government/?fb_action_ids=10202446111180224&fb_action_types=og.likes&fb_source=other_multiline&action_object_map=%7B%252210202446111180224%2522%253A725926047436192%7D&action_type_map=%7B%252210202446111180224%2522%253A%2522og.likes%2522%7D&action_ref_map=%5B%5D | Oct 28 10:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | youngcons.com | Pigs are flying: Hollywood celebrities come together and make a video slamming the government | Young Conservatives [ http://ur1.ca/fy7lq ] | Oct 28 10:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394767083902627840 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394767474849505280 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394767875355189248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394768289622392832 | Oct 28 10:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Power for change https://t.co/V1BO3YfV1L | Oct 28 10:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: White House hypocrisy https://t.co/xVqaaC99kv | Oct 28 10:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Germany, Brazil enlist 19 more countries for anti-NSA UN resolution http://t.co/1jtmwrKQDK #europe #southamerica #un #privacy | Oct 28 10:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> rt.com | NO TITLE | Oct 28 10:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Oil in Antarctica https://t.co/iFe5E0nyvT | Oct 28 10:14 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3216629 | Oct 28 10:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: popped... | Oct 28 10:22 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Don't you hate it when that happens?" | Oct 28 10:22 |
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| *iophk (~lars@unaffiliated/iophk) has joined #techrights | Oct 28 10:42 | |
| *ChanServ gives channel operator status to iophk | Oct 28 10:42 | |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394770967605809152 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394771729182359552 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394772099346485248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394773092809326592 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394774033239392256 | Oct 28 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Off work today and tomorrow, should have time to carry on with #techrights redesign and also some new articles. #privacy #techrights | Oct 28 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Given the news from Spain and Belgium it seems like Kroes is pursuing the lesser issues with telecoms in #europe http://t.co/woEkEuhDeH | Oct 28 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> ec.europa.eu | EU leaders agree to create a connected continent - European Commission | Oct 28 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Two Projects We Love http://t.co/uLo8Q5J4Bz #OLPC compared to #raspberryPi | Oct 28 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.montanalinux.org | Two Projects We Love | MontanaLinux.org | Oct 28 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Monaco: What's Yours Is Mine is coming to Linux with new content http://t.co/ABlnmpRXEv #gnu #linux #games | Oct 28 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> tech2.in.com | Monaco: What's Yours Is Mine is coming to Linux with new content | Oct 28 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Debian 6.0.8 Officially Released http://t.co/CHvM4VaN5x #debian #gnu #linux | Oct 28 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | Debian 6.0.8 Officially Released | Oct 28 10:49 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394774385443483648 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394774728260743169 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394775097921507328 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394775424737480704 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394775605419716608 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394776417080442880 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394777113112612866 https://twitter.com/ | Oct 28 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Ubuntu almost a decade old http://t.co/pFOoMxwSIT another LTS in the making http://t.co/8PspiUwhCx | Oct 28 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | Happy Birthday, Ubuntu 4.10 Warty Warthog | Oct 28 10:50 |
| schestowitz_bed | schestowitz/status/394777482584674304 | Oct 28 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Opens For Development | OMG! Ubuntu! | Oct 28 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: US Navy’s most advanced warship is powered by Linux and Intel http://t.co/HO2AAB8rSu leaving Windows? http://t.co/8W3VSqYsS6 | Oct 28 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.geek.com | US Navy’s most advanced warship is powered by Linux and Intel | Chips | Geek.com | Oct 28 10:50 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394777482584674304 | Oct 28 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | The US Navy Moves to GNU/Linux | Techrights | Oct 28 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: PCLinuxOS #KDE #MiniMe and #LXDE 2013.10 Review http://t.co/xCOKz4GKsk #gnu #linux | Oct 28 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> unsolicitedbutoffered.blogspot.co.uk | Unsolicited but Offered: PCLinuxOS KDE MiniMe and LXDE 2013.10 Review Part 1 | Oct 28 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Chromebooks and Chromium OS Experience http://t.co/VhQaTNKwNq #gnu #linux | Oct 28 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.terminally-incoherent.com | Chromebooks and Chromium OS Experience | Terminally Incoherent | Oct 28 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Citrix's Mark Hinkle: Linux Can Change the World Beyond Technology http://t.co/40t89MgDcY #linux | Oct 28 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.linux.com | Citrix's Mark Hinkle: Linux Can Change the World Beyond Technology | Linux.com | Oct 28 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Richard Stallman on Policy-Setting in the United States http://t.co/TrtUfk6E73 #us #lobbying #policy | Oct 28 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Richard Stallman on Policy-Setting in the United States | Oct 28 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Taiwanese soldiers wearing ballistic masks look like 'the cavalry from hell' http://t.co/WiaJBu9MMx #taiwan #rpc #china #police #army | Oct 28 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.scmp.com | Taiwanese soldiers wearing ballistic masks look like 'the cavalry from hell' | South China Morning Post | Oct 28 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | twitter.com | Twitter | Oct 28 10:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Bytes Media put a bid in for Tux Machines (to help save the site from becoming another The H/Groklaw). Outcome to be known today. | Oct 28 10:50 |
| iophk | schestowtiz_bed: if you get Tux Machines, how would you manage an extra site? | Oct 28 11:21 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/nn81/status/394781774272020480 | Oct 28 11:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @nn81: @schestowitz I've wrote about an ZDnet article looking more like marketing than serious review. Comments deleted when stating the obvious :( | Oct 28 11:22 |
| schestowitz_bed | ZDNet is corrupt 'news' . I exposed their tactics over the years http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/ZDNet | Oct 28 11:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | ZDNet - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/d50sx ] | Oct 28 11:22 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/wood5y/status/394784579879333888 | Oct 28 11:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @wood5y: @schestowitz I never realised Abiword could handle epub. Thanks for posting the link. | Oct 28 11:23 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394779198252126209 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394779402594451457 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394779719893516288 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394780363819843584 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394780639645696000 | Oct 28 11:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Why system76 always ships the newest ubuntu http://t.co/gp5OsuUNmt | Oct 28 11:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> jderose.blogspot.co.uk | measurably superior: Why System76 always ships the newest Ubuntu release | Oct 28 11:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Windows 8.1, Linux, Android, and "The Next Big Thing"™ http://t.co/avYOJ0RP6s #android #linux #vista8 #microsoft | Oct 28 11:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> devmaster.net | [OT] Windows 8.1, Linux, Android, and "The Next Big Thing"™ | DevMaster | Oct 28 11:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "My standard desktop account was replaced and I’m now logged in using my online Microsoft account. Seriously?" http://t.co/avYOJ0RP6s #nsa | Oct 28 11:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Dark Matter brings survival horror to PC, Mac and Linux http://t.co/CWd8P2SDjm #games #gnu #linux | Oct 28 11:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.polygon.com | Dark Matter brings survival horror to PC, Mac and Linux | Polygon | Oct 28 11:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Just noticed lack of criticism in #zdnet comments and thought I'd point out that in ZDNet comments they don't like get deleted. #censorship | Oct 28 11:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394780805337448448 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394781598702632960 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394782859560767488 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394783037885808640 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394783382946988032 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394783608902516736 | Oct 28 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Open hardware and why it is revolutionary http://t.co/gvbZod4pJU #openhardware #hardware #hacking #sharing | Oct 28 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.technicianonline.com | Open hardware and why it is revolutionary - Technician: Columns | Oct 28 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Create custom Linux-based systems regardless of the hardware http://t.co/gEc6kDLcHL #gnu #linux | Oct 28 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> opensource.com | Interview with Jeff Osier-Mixon, community manager of The Yocto Project for Intel | opensource.com | Oct 28 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "GRUB2 Editor, a KDE Control Module for configuring the GRUB2 bootloader, is now at version 0.6.4." http://t.co/1ABomJQt7r #kde | Oct 28 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | GRUB2 Editor 0.6.4 Is the Perfect Tool for Your GRUB Needs | Oct 28 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Special laptop keys with Linux http://t.co/u4Gzx7XGJr #gnu #linux | Oct 28 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> mybroadband.co.za | Special laptop keys with Linux | Oct 28 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Open Source Pundits Sound Off on #Surveillance http://t.co/OvOB2MhVMy #nsa versus freedom and sharing | Oct 28 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> ostatic.com | Open Source Pundits Sound Off on Surveillance | Oct 28 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: AbiWord: The little word processor that could http://t.co/ovGsJdxFdi useful for many simple tasks; fast and easy, unlike Word | Oct 28 11:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.examiner.com | AbiWord: The little word processor that could - Bangor free software | Examiner.com | Oct 28 11:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394783892697530368 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394784010645557248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394784320537501696 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394784808393781248 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394785554518511616 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394786021193551872 | Oct 28 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 'It was a huge risk': How the end of XP support helped France's gendarmes embrace Ubuntu – fast http://t.co/SNBy6FWm9h #france #gnu | Oct 28 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.zdnet.com | 'It was a huge risk': How the end of XP support helped France's gendarmes embrace Ubuntu – fast | ZDNet | Oct 28 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Red Hat CEO Whitehurst talks about 'Team Jim' http://t.co/pM6QkOBsBZ #redhat #gnu #linux | Oct 28 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.bizjournals.com | Red Hat CEO Whitehurst talks about 'Team Jim' - Triangle Business Journal | Oct 28 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: SteamOS to have NVIDIA developer tools from day one http://t.co/QkjuXx4fqd #nvidia hurts #linux in other ways | Oct 28 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.slashgear.com | SteamOS to have NVIDIA developer tools from day one - SlashGear | Oct 28 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The Linux Setup - Tynan, SETT Developer http://t.co/R9ljCazTpB #gnu #linux #sett | Oct 28 11:28 |
| schestowitz_bed | iophk: not sure yet | Oct 28 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.mylinuxrig.com | The Linux Setup - Tynan, SETT Developer - My Linux Rig | Oct 28 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Guess who thinks "Google Should Buy Twitter Before The IPO" http://t.co/dUAcJrPrCZ I hope now... #surveillance #gplus | Oct 28 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> uncrunched.com | Google Should Buy Twitter Before The IPO | Uncrunched | Oct 28 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: New Annie Machon's RT interview about new #EU data protection measures http://t.co/rqRBu4Oetp and spy oversight http://t.co/Tnm56fc89n | Oct 28 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> anniemachon.ch | RT interview about new EU data protection measures - Using Our Intelligence | Oct 28 11:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> anniemachon.ch | RT interview on spy oversight - Using Our Intelligence | Oct 28 11:28 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/nn81/status/394787636294221825 | Oct 28 11:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @nn81: @schestowitz Happy to see more people complaining about this. Thanks for the wiki reference, will contribute with a new entry there. | Oct 28 11:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | the wiki got spammed a lot (bots), so if you have something to add, tweet/mail me | Oct 28 11:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220319 | Oct 28 11:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Dark Matter brings survival horror to PC, Mac and Linux http://www.polygon.com/2013/10/18/4851624/dark-matter-brings-survival-horror-to-pc-mac-and-linux #games #gnu #linux | Oct 28 11:51 |
| schestowitz_bed | "This game reminds me the old video game called "Abuse" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse%28videogame%29; http://abuse.zoy.org/wiki/screenshots " | Oct 28 11:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ( status 404 @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abuse%28videogame%29 ) | Oct 28 11:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | abuse.zoy.org | screenshots – Abuse | Oct 28 11:51 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/24668428 | Oct 28 11:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Ex-NSA chief Hayden's off-record interview reaches Twitter | Oct 28 11:58 |
| schestowitz_bed | \seems like PR | Oct 28 11:58 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394788669997191168 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394790148187373568 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394794231661068288 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394794475182370816 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394795628490141696 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394796114639323136 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394796480420409344 | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Dick Cheney cancels Toronto trip, says Canada is too dangerous http://t.co/82T4stio3I #warcrime #cheney #bush #kissinger | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.nationalpost.com | Dick Cheney cancels Toronto trip, says Canada is too dangerous | National Post | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Monday morning https://t.co/2idItIhOWx | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Ubuntu Linux Gaming Performance Mostly On Par With Windows 8.1 http://t.co/843Ibd2MUE despite GPU makers playing rogue | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Ubuntu Linux Gaming Performance Mostly On Par With Windows 8.1 | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 5 crazy things you never knew you could do on Android http://t.co/qLHiZ6bm9Y #android #linux | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.digitaltrends.com | 5 Crazy Things You Can Hack Your Android to Do (Like Run Mac OS) | Digital Trends | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "United States may have tapped the phone of German Chancellor Angela Merkel" http://t.co/5Q7rUiwa5m | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> uk.reuters.com | Protesters march in Washington against NSA spying | Reuters | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "The latest spy revelations are threatening to derail a multibillion-pound 'trade' deal..." http://t.co/TEt5UjWeup good for us | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.sky.com | NSA Spying: Germany Demands Talks With US | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The #NSA has been creating maps of American citizens' contacts, social networks, etc. http://t.co/G5GELBXUrr #stasi like | Oct 28 12:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.sky.com | NSA Maps Out Americans' Social Connections | Oct 28 12:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394797340324016129 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394797451372429312 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394798636108107776 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394799376331472896 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394799870915399680 | Oct 28 12:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Brazilian President tweets about new national email, continues anti-NSA rhetoric http://t.co/HUs0nGPmaR no #privacy in password-passing | Oct 28 12:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.wired.co.uk | Brazilian President tweets about new national email, continues anti-NSA rhetoric (Wired UK) | Oct 28 12:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: NSA tactics no better than a CYBERCRIME GANG, says infosec'er http://t.co/0usc0RC6Ji but government-backed one | Oct 28 12:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theregister.co.uk | NSA tactics no better than a CYBERCRIME GANG, says infosec'er • The Register | Oct 28 12:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: California doesn't endorse domestic gitmo for US citizens http://t.co/w7gyFucZlN http://t.co/4h4GiNhWB2 http://t.co/0VIVTIRKfr | Oct 28 12:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> rt.com | California governor signs law defying cooperation with NDAA indefinite detention — RT USA | Oct 28 12:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.antiwar.com | California Governor Signs Ban on NDAA Detentions -- News from Antiwar.com | Oct 28 12:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.huffingtonpost.com | Jerry Brown Signs California Ban On Indefinite Detentions | Oct 28 12:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Activists announce call campaign to repeal NDAA with truckers http://t.co/EyL3R8Pj0y http://t.co/NFpZQoNuMJ #ndaa | Oct 28 12:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.digitaljournal.com | Activists announce call campaign to repeal NDAA with truckers (Includes interview) | Oct 28 12:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.digitaljournal.com | Trucker convoy demands arrest of congressmen who disobeyed oath | Oct 28 12:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Albany Common Council still sane http://t.co/pMhv1qqZxT vs. "indefinite military detention of its citizens without charge or trial" | Oct 28 12:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.dailygazette.com | "Albany Common Council upholds U.S. Constitution!" by Waging Peace | Oct 28 12:19 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://www.democracynow.org/2013/10/11/headlines | Oct 28 12:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.democracynow.org | Headlines for October 11, 2013 | Democracy Now! [ http://ur1.ca/fy85h ] | Oct 28 12:36 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394801527875174400 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394802886003404800 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394803372576219136 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394803684909281281 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394804664212131841 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394805580021653504 | Oct 28 12:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Children with air rifles: not a good idea http://t.co/XxVNYbNkLl | Oct 28 12:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.policestateusa.com | 13-year-old shot to death by police for open-carrying a toy rifle | Police State USA | Oct 28 12:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: CIA: we don't always support terrorists. When we do, they're 'moderate' http://t.co/IwyNs7deQe http://t.co/593AIGqEb7 | Oct 28 12:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> articles.washingtonpost.com | CIA ramping up covert training program for moderate Syrian rebels - Washington Post | Oct 28 12:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theblaze.com | Report: CIA Ramping Up Covert Training Program for Syrian Rebels | TheBlaze.com | Oct 28 12:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 'Moderates' http://t.co/cxMBBZcCEq Like Osama Bin Laden https://t.co/Cwi5DesRFK | Oct 28 12:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.mcclatchydc.com | Top U.S. intelligence officials confirm al Qaida role in Syria | World | McClatchy DC | Oct 28 12:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> en.wikipedia.org | Mujahideen - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Oct 28 12:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: CIA Supplying Weapons To Syrian Rebel Groups Legally Classified As Terrorists By The U.S. http://t.co/nqVoQat7rz #cia | Oct 28 12:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.opposingviews.com | CIA Supplying Weapons To Syrian Rebel Groups Legally Classified As Terrorists By The U.S. | Oct 28 12:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "CIA Director David Petraeus laid out a plan to secretly arm and train groups of Syrian rebels in Jordan." http://t.co/6P18jRPUY1 #us #coup | Oct 28 12:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> nymag.com | Report Details Obama’s Foot-Dragging on Syria -- Daily Intelligencer | Oct 28 12:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: While #billgates et al. promote 'micro' lending we realise that it's not what PR claims it to be http://t.co/XDYsQLzACu | Oct 28 12:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - The Bangladesh poor selling organs to pay debts | Oct 28 12:43 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/Erkan_Yilmaz/status/394819670902968320 | Oct 28 13:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Erkan_Yilmaz: @schestowitz #identi.ca's 5-year historical dents (only 23k users though) are supposed to land on @internetarchive,ask @evanpro when exactly | Oct 28 13:36 |
| schestowitz_bed | That would be a good thing. Since Evan does not respond to my mails, I'd wait till he contacts me. | Oct 28 13:36 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/Erkan_Yilmaz/status/394820189994233856 | Oct 28 13:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @Erkan_Yilmaz: @schestowitz probably it's more than those 23k (the 23k are the users being migrated to #pump.io) cc @internetarchive @evanpro | Oct 28 13:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220266 | Oct 28 13:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Ubuntu almost a decade old http://news.softpedia.com/news/Happy-Birthday-Ubuntu-4-10-Warty-Warthog-392826.shtml another LTS in the making http://www.omgubuntu.co.uk/2013/10/ubuntu-14-04-lts-opens-development | Oct 28 13:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | Happy Birthday, Ubuntu 4.10 Warty Warthog [ http://ur1.ca/fy8du ] | Oct 28 13:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.omgubuntu.co.uk | Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Opens For Development | OMG! Ubuntu! [ http://ur1.ca/fy8dv ] | Oct 28 13:42 |
| schestowitz_bed | "When Canonical gets to Zippy Zebra, they'll run out of alphabet!" | Oct 28 13:42 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220198 | Oct 28 13:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Oil in Antarctica https://diasp.org/uploads/images/scaled_full_3d6aaa992a4c94ab87d6.jpg | Oct 28 13:42 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Soon to be uncovered by global warming." | Oct 28 13:42 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz_bed: any idea how to remaster Mageia? no? | Oct 28 13:48 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz_bed: seems all the programs are old and outdated and comlacted too use and suc | Oct 28 13:48 |
| MinceR | http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3793/10320757155_dc5036e129_b.jpg | Oct 28 14:05 |
| MinceR | > Their indefinite mission: to explore strange new worlds of surveillance, to seek out and monitor all data and all communications, | Oct 28 14:05 |
| MinceR | to boldly go where no police state has gone before | Oct 28 14:05 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220395 | Oct 28 14:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Dick Cheney cancels Toronto trip, says Canada is too dangerous http://news.nationalpost.com/2012/03/12/dick-cheney-cancels-toronto-trip-says-canada-is-too-dangerous/ #warcrime #cheney #bush #kissinger | Oct 28 14:10 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Why should he fear arrest?" | Oct 28 14:10 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394820308970262528 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394823540492750848 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394824306167136256 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394824654298562560 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394825555306369024 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394825699103866880 | Oct 28 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Internet Archive Will Shield Visitors http://t.co/WG69ASHBUe #internet #privacy | Oct 28 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Couldn't resolve host 'http:' ( status 0 @ http:////www-nc.nytimes.com/2013/10/24/internet-archive-will-shield-visitors/?=smid=tw-share&_r=6& ) | Oct 28 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Of all people, the folks at Google should be aware of the fact that this policy should be opt-in and not opt-out." http://t.co/AeOzt0XpyU | Oct 28 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> fossforce.com | SecureDrop's Free Install, Oracle Spreads FUD & More… - FOSS Force | Oct 28 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The phrase "find us on Facebook" become widely used. And then people gave away their geo-location+photos+facerec. Find us indeed.. #privacy | Oct 28 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Facebook: when #CCTV was crowdsourced and became "cool", especially among kinds, who also became informants on grandparents in their homes | Oct 28 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: GCC 4.9 Will Make Compilers More Exciting In 2014 http://t.co/0DNzDTS08r #gnu #gcc #freedom #assurance #fsf | Oct 28 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] GCC 4.9 Will Make Compilers More Exciting In 2014 | Oct 28 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Features Coming For The LLVM 3.4 Compiler Stack http://t.co/7v4oYyofl6 imagine a world without free compilers... #privacy #trust | Oct 28 14:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Features Coming For The LLVM 3.4 Compiler Stack | Oct 28 14:12 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394826329067376640 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394826789513859072 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394827208864579584 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394828102972739585 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394828145758855168 | Oct 28 14:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Mark #Shuttleworth first calls those who disgagree "trolls", now "Open Source Tea Party". http://t.co/sS1os1fX9x #sign #ubuntu | Oct 28 14:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> fossforce.com | PHP Attacked, the Shuttleworth Tea Party & More… - FOSS Force | Oct 28 14:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: I don't think that Mark #Shuttleworth even realised what a tactless comment he had decided to make. Does he proofread before posting? | Oct 28 14:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Nazis or Hitler approaches 1." https://t.co/339O2LIVFS | Oct 28 14:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> en.wikipedia.org | Godwin's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Oct 28 14:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: I can recall days in 2009 when it became popular among faux FOSS people (pro-Mono, pro-proprietary) to label FSF types "Open Source Taliban" | Oct 28 14:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Qt embedded GUI supports Android and Linux http://t.co/EQjnKn0aeY #android #linux | Oct 28 14:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> linuxgizmos.com | Qt embedded GUI supports Android and Linux · LinuxGizmos.com | Oct 28 14:14 |
| iophk | He's scared of the F-word. It wasn't always so. His letter to Suse/Novell was back in his good days. | Oct 28 14:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9I58_kVty_k | Oct 28 14:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Chinese Cup Balance - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fy8kt ] | Oct 28 14:21 |
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| iophk | A nice rebuttal to Wallen over at Ars by Pogson | Oct 28 15:08 |
| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/10/28/the-success-of-gnulinux/ | Oct 28 15:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | The success of GNU/Linux | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/fy8py ] | Oct 28 15:08 |
| iophk | old - http://www.ajr.org/article.asp?id=3612 | Oct 28 15:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.ajr.org | And That's the Way It Is | American Journalism Review | Oct 28 15:11 |
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| iophk | "an inexpensive way to "give a semblance of public responsibility without bothering with the vast expense of original newsgathering." " | Oct 28 15:12 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: remaster thing uh | Oct 28 15:13 |
| iophk | any response at the forums? | Oct 28 15:13 |
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| sebsebseb | iophk: no not taken to the forums replied to the list to the messages I got | Oct 28 15:13 |
| sebsebseb | so more response there | Oct 28 15:13 |
| sebsebseb | been working on a repy to QA woman taking me longer than it shoud | Oct 28 15:13 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: also I think a onine friend of mine brings up a ogod point | Oct 28 15:14 |
| sebsebseb | with seucirty updats etc | Oct 28 15:14 |
| sebsebseb | coud do a lot of changs | Oct 28 15:14 |
| iophk | are they getting you hooked up with the tools used to make the official CDs? | Oct 28 15:14 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: peope wil blame the distro if it doesn't work | Oct 28 15:14 |
| iophk | Yes, very much so. | Oct 28 15:14 |
| iophk | That's another reason to stay with the stock disc images. | Oct 28 15:14 |
| sebsebseb | if the remaster doesnt' work right | Oct 28 15:14 |
| sebsebseb | they blame the distro | Oct 28 15:14 |
| sebsebseb | and t won't go through the QA poccess etc | Oct 28 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | won't go thrugh a proper testing proccess | Oct 28 15:15 |
| iophk | The distro images get tested thoroughly before release. | Oct 28 15:15 |
| iophk | Yes QA | Oct 28 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | yep indeed | Oct 28 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I need to get myself out of this one I think | Oct 28 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | for Mageia anyway | Oct 28 15:15 |
| iophk | Can you salvage the event? | Oct 28 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | if they have remasters for Ubuntu, Mint, and Open Suse still well whatever | Oct 28 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | I do | Oct 28 15:15 |
| iophk | Or must you just walk away. | Oct 28 15:15 |
| sebsebseb | what do you mean salvage? | Oct 28 15:16 |
| iophk | Repair | Oct 28 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | sounds like I got a ultimatum on Saturday either I make a remater | Oct 28 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | or Mageia may not be one of the dstros | Oct 28 15:16 |
| iophk | Remasters are a lot of trouble and can go wrong. | Oct 28 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | thing is that guy oesn't really understnad about remasters | Oct 28 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | he hasnn't made himself he doens't know how | Oct 28 15:16 |
| iophk | As per our earlier discussion, there should not be that many distros. | Oct 28 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | he had those other two saying how great they were | Oct 28 15:16 |
| iophk | It confuses people, at least it does for newbies. | Oct 28 15:16 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't care aout the others | Oct 28 15:17 |
| iophk | The choice should come down to which DE they want. | Oct 28 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | I am doing Mageia | Oct 28 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | if they have rematers for Ubuntu/Mint or both maybe | Oct 28 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | and Open Suse hwatever | Oct 28 15:17 |
| iophk | Then go ahead. They can't make you waste time on remasters | Oct 28 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | I tink I shod forward emails I recived and ent | Oct 28 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | to do with this | Oct 28 15:17 |
| iophk | However by adding remasters, they are adding complexity and not presenting the official image. | Oct 28 15:17 |
| sebsebseb | and do a emai about why I won't have for Mageia | Oct 28 15:17 |
| iophk | Also by presenting so many distros, they are muddying the waters. | Oct 28 15:18 |
| iophk | The choice should be for the DE | Oct 28 15:18 |
| sebsebseb | yeah and I am meant to be an offical contributer of this distro | Oct 28 15:18 |
| sebsebseb | even more so a reason to use an offical image then I guess really | Oct 28 15:18 |
| iophk | yes all the more reason to stay with the official image. | Oct 28 15:18 |
| sebsebseb | and I think the QA woman knd of recommended again | Oct 28 15:18 |
| sebsebseb | ok the guy who makes live cd's might make something if I ask | Oct 28 15:18 |
| sebsebseb | ,but it won't have gone through the qa proccess | Oct 28 15:19 |
| iophk | QA is important. | Oct 28 15:19 |
| sebsebseb | they don't understand that | Oct 28 15:19 |
| iophk | All kinds of stupid things come in by accident otherwise. | Oct 28 15:19 |
| sebsebseb | they just seem to thik can pre install some updates and apps | Oct 28 15:19 |
| iophk | Really they can be trouble. | Oct 28 15:19 |
| sebsebseb | and ten if it boots up | Oct 28 15:19 |
| sebsebseb | it works | Oct 28 15:19 |
| sebsebseb | ,but reallly other bugs couod happen etc | Oct 28 15:19 |
| sebsebseb | that aren't in the offical media | Oct 28 15:19 |
| iophk | Having the visitors install one of their own apps is good practice, as I wrote before. | Oct 28 15:19 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Oct 28 15:19 |
| iophk | It helps build experience and confidence in their new system. | Oct 28 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I guess I got to do emails saying why no I won't remaster Mahiea, beuase... | Oct 28 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | proper emails | Oct 28 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | a proper against rematering Magiea thing | Oct 28 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | and take things from there | Oct 28 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | ,but make it clear that if they want to re master hte other ones stil whatever I don't care | Oct 28 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | I ma doing Mageia | Oct 28 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: if I get some crap about not having Mageia | Oct 28 15:20 |
| iophk | Yes but they can make the event look bad by adding a lot of fail. | Oct 28 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | I guess I can just say somethin like | Oct 28 15:20 |
| sebsebseb | what do you really want me to leave the organsing group? | Oct 28 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | do ou want to lose another volunteer? | Oct 28 15:21 |
| iophk | careful with ultimatums | Oct 28 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well I got one | Oct 28 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | on Saturday | Oct 28 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Oct 28 15:21 |
| iophk | there might be one or two that are trying to drive out people | Oct 28 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | I either make a remaster in a few weeks | Oct 28 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | or | Oct 28 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia may not be the distro | Oct 28 15:21 |
| iophk | who gave that ultimatum | Oct 28 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | the event coordinater | Oct 28 15:21 |
| iophk | and why the fixation on remaster? | Oct 28 15:21 |
| sebsebseb | who also doens't know how to make re masters by the way | Oct 28 15:21 |
| iophk | I'd shoot down that requirement | Oct 28 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | ,but got peruaded to have them, by this guy who makes for Open Suse | Oct 28 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | and another who has done MINT | Oct 28 15:22 |
| iophk | and go with the official image | Oct 28 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | another guy who joined us propery later | Oct 28 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | thought remaster was nt neeed | Oct 28 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | local repos way too go | Oct 28 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | ,but he made a remater for Ubuntu yesterday | Oct 28 15:22 |
| sebsebseb | also th event co ordiner was like to the local reop's idea, it's all singing and danceing | Oct 28 15:23 |
| sebsebseb | he didn't understand that iether | Oct 28 15:23 |
| sebsebseb | he didn't unerstand why I was suggesting it | Oct 28 15:23 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think I need to realy say no to the remaster for this one | Oct 28 15:24 |
| iophk | If the coordinator lacks the technical knowledge to make the decisions you'll have to bolster your case with data in a way he can understand. | Oct 28 15:24 |
| sebsebseb | push the local repo' idea again etc | Oct 28 15:24 |
| iophk | yes | Oct 28 15:24 |
| iophk | local repo. | Oct 28 15:24 |
| iophk | do you still have the notes from that chat? | Oct 28 15:24 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: bingo he seems to lack certain technial knowledge | Oct 28 15:24 |
| sebsebseb | notes from whichchat? | Oct 28 15:24 |
| iophk | The chat where we talked about which distro to use and the DEs involved. | Oct 28 15:25 |
| sebsebseb | oh our chat? | Oct 28 15:25 |
| iophk | Mageia for 2 DEs and Ubuntu for Unity | Oct 28 15:25 |
| sebsebseb | didn't ealy make nots for that, but will be in log | Oct 28 15:25 |
| sebsebseb | they won't have it like that | Oct 28 15:25 |
| sebsebseb | I think this Open Suse ugy really wants Suse | Oct 28 15:25 |
| iophk | Suse is M$ | Oct 28 15:25 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: may be worth tring to split from the group if really nessarey | Oct 28 15:25 |
| sebsebseb | go with this guy who wanted local repo's as well relaly | Oct 28 15:26 |
| sebsebseb | try and get some of our own vounteers some how | Oct 28 15:26 |
| sebsebseb | or something | Oct 28 15:26 |
| iophk | Maybe organize a separate installfest with other people. | Oct 28 15:26 |
| sebsebseb | yep that's what I am thinking | Oct 28 15:26 |
| sebsebseb | if really nessarey | Oct 28 15:26 |
| iophk | It's better to have people on the same page. | Oct 28 15:26 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: maybe even contact the guy who left us for some reason before | Oct 28 15:26 |
| sebsebseb | find out what really happended there | Oct 28 15:26 |
| iophk | Yes find out. | Oct 28 15:26 |
| sebsebseb | he was getting the emails | Oct 28 15:26 |
| sebsebseb | and was going to come to meeting, but didn't | Oct 28 15:27 |
| sebsebseb | and then he sotped geting the emais | Oct 28 15:27 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah this event co ordineate doens't understan some of this technical stuff enough, so he has one with re masters | Oct 28 15:27 |
| sebsebseb | since another two were saying re masters | Oct 28 15:27 |
| sebsebseb | then this guy who properly joind us later, is like loal repo's | Oct 28 15:28 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yep mght have too split if can't do things my wya | Oct 28 15:28 |
| sebsebseb | way | Oct 28 15:28 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I am baialy being ecommended against the remaster | Oct 28 15:29 |
| sebsebseb | by this QA woman etc | Oct 28 15:29 |
| iophk | her expertise should be acknowledged by the coordinator and used as part of the argument. | Oct 28 15:29 |
| iophk | QA is a lot of work. | Oct 28 15:29 |
| iophk | If you all as a group were doing a single remaster of a single distro, then it might be OK, but again there are better arguments for staying wit hthe official images. | Oct 28 15:30 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah I will show htem the emails etc | Oct 28 15:30 |
| sebsebseb | ,but she's very knowledagable | Oct 28 15:30 |
| iophk | and experienced | Oct 28 15:30 |
| sebsebseb | when it comes to testing, and I am basically being recommended againt re mastering | Oct 28 15:31 |
| sebsebseb | maybe she doesn't say it so directly, but she pretyt muchhas, on IRC, and then in that email | Oct 28 15:31 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I mean what does this email mean to you, when you see only her message and not what I put | Oct 28 15:31 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 28 15:32 | |
| sebsebseb | As long as there is somebody there to support it (ie. you) then who's | Oct 28 15:32 |
| sebsebseb | business is it what distros are available? | Oct 28 15:32 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 28 15:32 | |
| sebsebseb | You were previously going to take the Release and Updates repositories | Oct 28 15:32 |
| sebsebseb | on a usb hdd and install that way. | Oct 28 15:32 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 28 15:32 | |
| sebsebseb | Maybe Thomas (tmb) would be able to build some livedvd's for you if you | Oct 28 15:33 |
| sebsebseb | asked him, but bear in mind that they won't have been properly tested as | Oct 28 15:33 |
| sebsebseb | ISOs (but would probably be alright). | Oct 28 15:33 |
| sebsebseb | Oct 28 15:33 | |
| sebsebseb | okk that's it | Oct 28 15:33 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: what does that mesagemean to you? | Oct 28 15:33 |
| iophk | You could get data about how many bugs they have to squash each time they make a new official ISO | Oct 28 15:34 |
| sebsebseb | oh for the normal ones? | Oct 28 15:34 |
| sebsebseb | yeah a few roundsof internal QA testing | Oct 28 15:34 |
| sebsebseb | and then the mile tone | Oct 28 15:34 |
| sebsebseb | etc | Oct 28 15:34 |
| iophk | yes the normal ones have lots of bugs and lots of rounds of internal QA to get one out the doro | Oct 28 15:34 |
| iophk | door | Oct 28 15:34 |
| sebsebseb | yep that's true | Oct 28 15:35 |
| iophk | "won't have been properly tested" is a big deal, but novices might not see it that way | Oct 28 15:35 |
| sebsebseb | and the remater may introduce bugs as I put earlier | Oct 28 15:35 |
| iophk | How big is the QA team? | Oct 28 15:35 |
| iophk | It's more than 4 people | Oct 28 15:35 |
| sebsebseb | yep more than 4 | Oct 28 15:35 |
| iophk | So the committee is not even large enough to be a QA team | Oct 28 15:35 |
| iophk | for one distro | Oct 28 15:35 |
| iophk | not to mention 3 or 4 | Oct 28 15:35 |
| sebsebseb | huh? | Oct 28 15:35 |
| sebsebseb | the event committe ? | Oct 28 15:35 |
| iophk | yes | Oct 28 15:36 |
| sebsebseb | yeah ony ike five of us | Oct 28 15:36 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah maybe we should split | Oct 28 15:36 |
| iophk | Remasters are only a liability | Oct 28 15:36 |
| sebsebseb | Mageia and Ubuntu | Oct 28 15:36 |
| iophk | yes those two | Oct 28 15:36 |
| sebsebseb | let them bugger around with Mint and Open Suse for there one | Oct 28 15:36 |
| sebsebseb | I don't want those distros really | Oct 28 15:36 |
| iophk | KDE and XFCE on mageia and Unity on Ubuntu | Oct 28 15:37 |
| iophk | besides, in some ways having two installfests might reach more people | Oct 28 15:37 |
| sebsebseb | KDE, and GNOME, and whatever else on Mageia | Oct 28 15:37 |
| iophk | yes, like that | Oct 28 15:37 |
| sebsebseb | Unity for Ubuntu | Oct 28 15:37 |
| iophk | leave the hard choice to be the DE | Oct 28 15:37 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Oct 28 15:37 |
| iophk | beginners won't know or care about the distro, just the UI they see | Oct 28 15:37 |
| sebsebseb | and can set it up with local repo's like that guy wanted | Oct 28 15:37 |
| sebsebseb | that joined us | Oct 28 15:37 |
| sebsebseb | he's sort of my firned I would sya | Oct 28 15:37 |
| iophk | yes bring him in | Oct 28 15:37 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: might beable to get some people down to help from narish LUG's | Oct 28 15:38 |
| sebsebseb | or somethin as well | Oct 28 15:38 |
| sebsebseb | if I contact | Oct 28 15:38 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think like a fork | Oct 28 15:38 |
| sebsebseb | should be done as th last resort | Oct 28 15:38 |
| iophk | yes lay out a plan first on real paper, not details, but an outline | Oct 28 15:38 |
| sebsebseb | a split | Oct 28 15:38 |
| sebsebseb | ,but if cant have things my way may have to split | Oct 28 15:39 |
| iophk | yes | Oct 28 15:39 |
| iophk | but have real paper ready with a real outline | Oct 28 15:39 |
| sebsebseb | a real outline of what? | Oct 28 15:39 |
| iophk | of your plans | Oct 28 15:39 |
| sebsebseb | too split ? or?? | Oct 28 15:39 |
| iophk | no | Oct 28 15:39 |
| iophk | just for how to run it | Oct 28 15:39 |
| iophk | no remasters, mageia x2 + ubuntu x1, local repo, etc | Oct 28 15:40 |
| sebsebseb | oh like we discussed for this one | Oct 28 15:40 |
| iophk | yes | Oct 28 15:40 |
| sebsebseb | as for the venue uhmm | Oct 28 15:40 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Oct 28 15:40 |
| sebsebseb | they got one in the centre for free | Oct 28 15:40 |
| iophk | sadly most people can't visualize from a verbal description | Oct 28 15:40 |
| sebsebseb | ,but not sure if I coul as well | Oct 28 15:40 |
| sebsebseb | if going to split that is | Oct 28 15:40 |
| iophk | that may be a drawback | Oct 28 15:40 |
| sebsebseb | ,but thre's the other venue that is also bigger | Oct 28 15:41 |
| sebsebseb | that is cheap | Oct 28 15:41 |
| sebsebseb | b | Oct 28 15:41 |
| sebsebseb | ,but not as central | Oct 28 15:41 |
| iophk | most people can't visualize from a verbal description but do fine when presented with the same ideas on paper | Oct 28 15:41 |
| sebsebseb | or I pay the £300 and get a venue | Oct 28 15:41 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Oct 28 15:41 |
| iophk | as long as the parking is good, you're ok | Oct 28 15:41 |
| iophk | you want people to be able to bring machines | Oct 28 15:41 |
| sebsebseb | with venu that going for the parking ins't goo at all realy | Oct 28 15:41 |
| sebsebseb | could bring lap tops though | Oct 28 15:42 |
| iophk | if it is to be more than a showcase | Oct 28 15:42 |
| sebsebseb | yep I think might hae to split | Oct 28 15:42 |
| sebsebseb | or try too orsomething | Oct 28 15:42 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: re master isn't the way too go for Mageia | Oct 28 15:42 |
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| sebsebseb | for Mint and Open Suse and Ubuntu it may be ok | Oct 28 15:42 |
| sebsebseb | ,but this distro no oesn't seem like it | Oct 28 15:42 |
| iophk | not really the same complexity issues are there for remastering regardless of distro | Oct 28 15:43 |
| iophk | brb | Oct 28 15:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: the same complexity issues ? | Oct 28 15:43 |
| iophk | ok | Oct 28 16:01 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/evanpro/status/394854625662091264 | Oct 28 16:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @evanpro: @schestowitz I'm pretty sure I have responded to your email. If not, please resend. | Oct 28 16:05 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/evanpro/status/394854736534335488 | Oct 28 16:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @evanpro: @Erkan_Yilmaz @schestowitz @internetarchive also, it's all users. | Oct 28 16:05 |
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| DaemonFC | O'Neill: "Sorry, I was late. I was just finishing up a lovely brunch." | Oct 28 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | Ba'al: "Impudence!" | Oct 28 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | O'Neill: "No. Tuna." | Oct 28 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | O'Neill (to Ba'al): "I've got a better idea. Why don't we just sit back and watch you get your ass kicked. That way, you'll be dead, and we'll be glad!" | Oct 28 18:37 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 28 18:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | I'm standing by my interpretation of what he said about editorial pressure. Bruce had a chance to answer but chose to dismiss me by insult instead. My point here, like it was in your thread, is that the pressure is part of the job and it's symptomatic of the established tech press. It does not matter if he admits to caving or not. His job is inherently unbalanced if his boss wants him to write "outlandish" stories about free | Oct 28 18:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | software. If he does not deliver, he won't have a job. | Oct 28 18:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | You wanted to have a conversation about Byfield, +Aaron Seigo, and posted a real flamer of article of his. I gave you my honest opinion of that article, based in part on painful personal experience with him from years ago. People asked me to explain myself, so I did. If you say I was wasting my time, I was. | Oct 28 18:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 28 18:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | I'm standing by my interpretation of what he said about editorial pressure. Bruce had a chance to answer but chose to dismiss me by insult instead. My point here, like it was in your thread, is that the pressure is part of the job and it's symptomatic of the established tech press. It does not matter if he admits to caving or not. His job is inherently unbalanced if his boss wants him to write "outlandish" stories about free | Oct 28 18:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | software. If he does not deliver, he won't have a job. | Oct 28 18:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | You wanted to have a conversation about Byfield, +Aaron Seigo, and posted a real flamer of article of his. I gave you my honest opinion of that article, based in part on painful personal experience with him from years ago. People asked me to explain myself, so I did. If you say I was wasting my time, I was. | Oct 28 18:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://plus.google.com/113579520393333767984/posts/51fXskTmN6S | Oct 28 18:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | plus.google.com | Will Hill - Google+ - A Quick Defense of Myself and Techrights A week ago, Glen… [ http://ur1.ca/fxykm ] | Oct 28 18:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Well, I think I'm going to accept one of the two $1000 bids received, unless anyone else wants to bid..." | Oct 28 18:44 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/61601 | Oct 28 18:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tuxmachines.org | fair warning - going once.... | tuxmachines.org | Oct 28 18:44 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | Trapped in 1969: | Oct 28 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | SERGENT: Vi sovietski spioni? | Oct 28 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | Daniel: Nyet! | Oct 28 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | O'Neill: Daniel! | Oct 28 18:45 |
| schestowitz_bed | "This year has been great for me in so many ways. I guess I can tell yaw. My second ex-husband started coming around again regularly last Spring and we've ended up back together. I can't believe it, but I'm in love with him again (still). I'm moving back in with him in the next few weeks and we're getting re-married this coming Spring. But I've had some lingering symptoms from my illnesses and I'm tired a lot. " | Oct 28 18:45 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 28 18:46 |
| schestowitz_bed | I can't really self-host my own site out in the boonies where {significant other} lives and I've never been able to hand over control to a hosting company. I have a lot of work to do get moved and the new house all purty and stuff. I still need / want to work for ostatic.com and it's a lot of work being someone's wife (as I recall). | Oct 28 18:46 |
| schestowitz_bed | So, anywho, if I don't get any more bids today, I'll let it go for $1000. | Oct 28 18:46 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 28 18:47 |
| iophk | oh | Oct 28 18:47 |
| iophk | I thought the answer would be today. | Oct 28 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | about a minute ago · Edited | Oct 28 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | O'Neill: "Have you heard of her?" | Oct 28 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | Daniel: "Hathor was the Egyptian goddess of fertility, inebriety, and music." | Oct 28 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | O'Neill: "Sex, drugs, and rock and roll?" | Oct 28 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | Daniel: "In a manner of speaking." | Oct 28 18:55 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394830685531570177 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394831578972839936 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394839206750871552 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394841708971950080 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394843153037271040 | Oct 28 19:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Police checkpoint in #Sacramento http://t.co/cCioKoec60 Photo from AP went viral | Oct 28 19:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Stars of Beijing's Circus - Bowls Unicycle act - The world greatest Cabaret http://t.co/srgDwXp5gz disturbingly difficult | Oct 28 19:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | Stars of Beijing's Circus - Bowls Unicycle act - The world greatest Cabaret - YouTube | Oct 28 19:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: GNOME Desktop 3.10 Continues to Bring Great GTK-based Applications to All GNU/Linux Users http://t.co/bRIl0vZSnl #gnome #gnu #kde | Oct 28 19:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | GNOME Desktop 3.10 Continues to Bring Great GTK-based Applications to All GNU/Linux Users | Techrights | Oct 28 19:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: K Desktop Environment/KDE Software Compilation Attracts Funding, New Patrons http://t.co/aYcKmKYnd7 #kde #gnu #linux | Oct 28 19:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | K Desktop Environment/KDE Software Compilation Attracts Funding, New Patrons | Techrights | Oct 28 19:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Late October Links/News About Canonical, Ubuntu, and Derivatives http://t.co/ogMlsdSbQd #ubuntu #canonical #gnu #linux | Oct 28 19:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Late October Links/News About Canonical, Ubuntu, and Derivatives | Techrights | Oct 28 19:03 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394857200327602176 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394849673091235841 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394863944374169600 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394874902651895808 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394883262990282752 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394901866158768128 | Oct 28 19:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: War Machines http://t.co/Wiq5kjjcwQ tying together some recent news about the #cia | Oct 28 19:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | War Machines | Techrights | Oct 28 19:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Black Tuesday 2013 is Tomorrow (Wall Street, New York) http://t.co/zHurs4hrKS #ows #finance | Oct 28 19:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Black Tuesday 2013 is Tomorrow (Wall Street, New York) | Techrights | Oct 28 19:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Internet Censor #Google Claims to be Fighting Internet #Censorship http://t.co/ONOEnLCe26 | Oct 28 19:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Internet Censor Google Claims to be Fighting Internet Censorship | Techrights | Oct 28 19:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The NSA Causes an Atlantic Blunder http://t.co/r6qziQoqGt #nsa #privacy #eu #europe | Oct 28 19:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | The NSA Causes an Atlantic Blunder | Techrights | Oct 28 19:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Political Dissent is ‘Terrorism’ Now http://t.co/nbc5FU7Oto #politics | Oct 28 19:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Political Dissent is ‘Terrorism’ Now | Techrights | Oct 28 19:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Just spent 10 minutes transmitting site password via multiple emails, many letters encoded using clues (names of relatives). Thanks, NSA. | Oct 28 19:05 |
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| schestowitz_bed | mailed to evan@status.net again. I want to self-host this data one way or another. :-) | Oct 28 19:12 |
| schestowitz_bed | identica | Oct 28 19:12 |
| schestowitz_bed | much of the community moved to d* | Oct 28 19:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220555 | Oct 28 19:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | "ajajaj me cagué de la risa XD" | Oct 28 19:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared:  | Oct 28 19:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220187 | Oct 28 19:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Defense One" (pro-war) is trying to say that #drones that lack human intervention/judgment are more 'secure' http://qz.com/133321/the-most-secure-drones-will-be-able-to-kill-without-human-controllers/ | Oct 28 19:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> qz.com | The most secure drones will be able to kill without human controllers – Quartz [ http://ur1.ca/fy8e6 ] | Oct 28 19:14 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Yup. Otherwise, it's pretty much a robot apocalypse." | Oct 28 19:14 |
| iophk | When was the official closing of identica? | Oct 28 19:14 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220578 | Oct 28 19:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: U.S. arming Syrian rebels, but refugees aiding them considered terrorists http://www.philly.com/philly/news/politics/US_arming_Syrian_rebels_but_refugees_aiding_them_considered_terrorists.html this is the logic used in Latin America, too | Oct 28 19:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.philly.com | U.S. arming Syrian rebels, but refugees aiding them considered terrorists [ http://ur1.ca/fy8el ] | Oct 28 19:14 |
| schestowitz_bed | "so now NATO can attack the congress because they can be building atomic bombs?" | Oct 28 19:14 |
| schestowitz_bed | ohama: migration to pump.io, which many people never bothered with | Oct 28 19:14 |
| schestowitz_bed | iophk: ^ | Oct 28 19:14 |
| iophk | so have most moved to diaspora then? Or just given up on microblogging as a fad. | Oct 28 19:15 |
| schestowitz_bed | fad part | Oct 28 19:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | many moved to Google Plus | Oct 28 19:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | No length limittaions | Oct 28 19:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220521 | Oct 28 19:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Brazilian President tweets about new national email, continues anti-NSA rhetoric http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-10/14/brazil-email-nsa no #privacy in password-passing | Oct 28 19:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.wired.co.uk | Brazilian President tweets about new national email, continues anti-NSA rhetoric (Wired UK) [ http://ur1.ca/fw0ls ] | Oct 28 19:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Also, though the NSA is the most powerful and capable privacy offender, the U.S. is hardly the only country to engage in this activity. France has been notorious for spying on allies for many years and almost all countries do this to some degree or another. I would be shocked if the Brazilian president was truly surprised at these revelations." | Oct 28 19:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | "The development of their own e-mail is good, but I bet you they are still using Windows and other closed-source softwares on their machines, and those mean huge and already known backdoors." | Oct 28 19:16 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Dilma Rousseff might not be as surprised as her resent offensive against the U.S. might suggest, Azrael. But in politics you have to use the opportune moments. Nobody would have taken her serious before the Snowden revelations. And all South, and Latin American countries have more than good reason to hate the US intelligence organisations. The USA has, through CIA, been king-makers to some of the worst military dictators in the | Oct 28 19:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | world, many of them educated on The Schools of Americas in Georgia, they have murdered, manipulated and generally treated The southern part of the continent as their private slave labour colonies. If Rousseff is mad she has good reason." | Oct 28 19:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | Brazil is not one of their big victims. Brazil has some countries in Europe to hate more... | Oct 28 19:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220889 | Oct 28 19:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Stars of Beijing's Circus - Bowls Unicycle act - The world greatest Cabaret http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZeYElDkpDSQ disturbingly difficult | Oct 28 19:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | Stars of Beijing's Circus - Bowls Unicycle act - The world greatest Cabaret - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fy9ms ] | Oct 28 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed | "how can I share YoutTube Videos on Diaspora ? Anyone willing to help ?" | Oct 28 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed | "I think pasting the url in the field will simply do :)" | Oct 28 19:19 |
| schestowitz_bed | "naw no here it doesn't do the trick :(" | Oct 28 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | URL? | Oct 28 19:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220269 | Oct 28 19:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: US Navy’s most advanced warship is powered by Linux and Intel | Oct 28 19:21 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Leaving Windows? The DoD (and it's various contractors) have been using things like Sun OS, Linux, VMS, etc. for many years. Yes, they use Windows too but I doubt for many (if any) mission critical applications." | Oct 28 19:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.geek.com | US Navy’s most advanced warship is powered by Linux and Intel | Chips | Geek.com [ http://ur1.ca/fy9n3 ] | Oct 28 19:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | The US Navy Moves to GNU/Linux | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fy9n4 ] | Oct 28 19:21 |
| iophk | old -http://www.wired.com/science/discoveries/news/1998/07/13987 | Oct 28 19:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | Sunk by Windows NT [ http://ur1.ca/fy9n7 ] | Oct 28 19:22 |
| iophk | old - http://fcw.com/articles/2008/03/06/navy-to-focus-only-on-open-systems.aspx | Oct 28 19:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fcw.com | Navy to focus only on open systems -- FCW [ http://ur1.ca/fy9n8 ] | Oct 28 19:22 |
| iophk | “The days of proprietary technology must come to an end,” he said. “We will no longer accept systems that couple hardware, software and data.” | Oct 28 19:22 |
| iophk | Easier said than done with the big lobbying budget Bill has. | Oct 28 19:23 |
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| schestowitz_bed | "We should stop going around babbling about how we're the greatest #democracy on earth, when we're not even a democracy. We are a sort of militarised republic. The founding fathers hated two things, one was monarchy and the other was democracy, they gave us a constitution that saw to it we will have neither. I don't know how wise they were." -- #GoreVidal | Oct 28 19:39 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://www.collective-evolution.com/2013/08/31/snowden-reveals-first-ever-public-disclosure-of-secret-black-budget-programs/ | Oct 28 19:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.collective-evolution.com | Snowden Reveals First Ever Public Disclosure Of Secret Black Budget Programs | Collective-Evolution [ http://ur1.ca/fy9q8 ] | Oct 28 19:48 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | a few seconds ago | Oct 28 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | The possibility of installing trojans on Android, while remote, and something only a moron would do, is the price of the freedom to install anything you want on the computer you own. | Oct 28 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | Apple devices don't have many trojans, but that comes at too high a cost. They will only run software that Apple approves of. With that in mind, you never actually own your iThing, because all software has to be whitelisted by the company that produced the OS. | Oct 28 19:53 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AidBugvVqpw | Oct 28 19:53 |
| DaemonFC | So, iPads are like this kiosk for Apple-approved software. Most of the programs are outdated because the approval process takes many months. That's if you can find the application you want to run in the first place. Apple won't allow any copyleft software into their store, so you won't find VLC. They won't let software that competes with Apple software in their store, so there's no Firefox. | Oct 28 19:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | "Bernanke Threatens The Congress" We will cause an Economic Collapse if you audit the Fed! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fy9qx ] | Oct 28 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | I'll use an Apple product on the day that Satan is ice skating to work. I will use something from Apple over my rotting corpse. | Oct 28 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | If anyone was wondering what I think of Apple, that should be a good disambiguation. | Oct 28 19:54 |
| JimmyCarter | unfortunately macbook air best laptop on market | Oct 28 19:54 |
| JimmyCarter | otoh you only need good laptop for dev (thats my excuse) | Oct 28 19:55 |
| JimmyCarter | what do you use. chromebook? | Oct 28 19:56 |
| JimmyCarter | linux on thinkpad? | Oct 28 19:56 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394907669271941120 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394908655721910273 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394910982260412416 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394913908332711936 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394915318516432896 | Oct 28 20:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Expression https://t.co/l80kPW38tR | Oct 28 20:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: David Cameron makes veiled threat to media over NSA and GCHQ leaks http://t.co/pDuTWTzecy #nsa #gchq #uk | Oct 28 20:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | David Cameron makes veiled threat to media over NSA and GCHQ leaks | World news | theguardian.com | Oct 28 20:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Britain's Cameron says may act against newspapers over spy leaks http://t.co/jTaIDwrR7l #uk #censorship | Oct 28 20:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.reuters.com | Britain's Cameron says may act against newspapers over spy leaks | Reuters | Oct 28 20:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 9 TRILLION Dollars Missing from Federal Reserve,Fed Inspector General Can't Explain https://t.co/TUogJ2iFxz #debt | Oct 28 20:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | 9 TRILLION Dollars Missing from Federal Reserve,Fed Inspector General Can't Explain - YouTube | Oct 28 20:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Alan Grayson: "Which Foreigners Got the Fed's $500,000,000,000?" Bernanke: "I Don't Know." https://t.co/Z3sTqG405a #grayson #economy | Oct 28 20:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | Alan Grayson: "Which Foreigners Got the Fed's $500,000,000,000?" Bernanke: "I Don't Know." - YouTube | Oct 28 20:01 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3220521 | Oct 28 20:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Brazilian President tweets about new national email, continues anti-NSA rhetoric http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2013-10/14/brazil-email-nsa no #privacy in password-passing | Oct 28 20:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.wired.co.uk | Brazilian President tweets about new national email, continues anti-NSA rhetoric (Wired UK) [ http://ur1.ca/fw0ls ] | Oct 28 20:03 |
| schestowitz_bed | "It is true that Brazil before WWII was closely connected to European fascism, and didn't suffer the atrocities from the marine-protected United Fruit Company as Columbia and many of the central American countries did, but after WWII the anti-communism efforts of the US did indeed interfere in Brazil's history ... what about operation Condor?" | Oct 28 20:03 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Oct 28 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | Software patents are like any unjust government edict. When a government edict is unjust, it is the duty of citizens to disobey it. If people all stopped obeying unjust edicts, they would cease to exist. | Oct 28 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | What are they going to do? Throw _everyone_ in prison? | Oct 28 20:07 |
| DaemonFC | Before Lawrence v. Texas, I could have been thrown in prison for living my life if I happened to be in the wrong US state. Indiana repealed that particular unjust law in 1977, well before I was born, but if it was still in effect, I would ignore it. | Oct 28 20:07 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394919463449280513 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394922788563480576 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394925548947767296 | Oct 28 20:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Slience" [sic] https://t.co/teRk5w3NCX | Oct 28 20:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Three degrees of separation: breaking down the NSA's 'hops' #surveillance method http://t.co/bmzVvvuGZD speaking truth to power | Oct 28 20:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | Three degrees of separation: breaking down the NSA's 'hops' surveillance method | World news | theguardian.com | Oct 28 20:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Lawyers Advise #Toronto Police Chief to Arrest #Cheney “as a Person Suspected of Authorizing and Abetting Torture” http://t.co/cbS3ZbJj6r | Oct 28 20:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.globalresearch.ca | Lawyers Advise Toronto Police Chief to Arrest Dick Cheney “as a Person Suspected of Authorizing and Abetting Torture” | Global Research | Oct 28 20:36 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3221206 | Oct 28 20:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Internet Censor #Google Claims to be Fighting Internet #Censorship http://techrights.org/2013/10/28/internet-censorship-and-google/ | Oct 28 20:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | "bipolar!" | Oct 28 20:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Internet Censor Google Claims to be Fighting Internet Censorship | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fy9zc ] | Oct 28 20:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3221923 | Oct 28 20:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: #ideas #clouds #jumping #diving | Oct 28 20:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Photo by herrjott@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_cace7fb61c11a709be91.jpeg | Oct 28 20:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://173.20.223.180/photoalbum/chron/2013/20131018-haloclouds/slide_07.html | Oct 28 20:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ( status 404 @ http://173.20.223.180/photoalbum/chron/2013/20131018-haloclouds/slide_07.html ) | Oct 28 20:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3222111 | Oct 28 20:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Slience" [sic] https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_90ed287aa0a8568e8539.jpg | Oct 28 20:39 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Slience?... hmmm... have to think about that... maybe I need more slience.." | Oct 28 20:39 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394904528937435136 | Oct 28 20:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: @evanpro @Erkan_Yilmaz @internetarchive mailed to evan@status.net again. I want to self-host this data one way or another. :-) | Oct 28 20:44 |
| DaemonFC | Patience. | Oct 28 20:53 |
| DaemonFC | Water will always win the battle against the dam, given enough time. | Oct 28 20:53 |
| MinceR | 210716 < DaemonFC> What are they going to do? Throw _everyone_ in prison? | Oct 28 20:55 |
| MinceR | isn't that where the USA is going? :> | Oct 28 20:55 |
| MinceR | 205459 < JimmyCarter> unfortunately macbook air best laptop on market | Oct 28 20:55 |
| MinceR | by whose standards? :> | Oct 28 20:55 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/evanpro/status/394930310829191168 | Oct 28 20:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @evanpro: @schestowitz Just checking: didn't I send you a download file previously? | Oct 28 20:55 |
| schestowitz_bed | None that i can recall; maybe some server filtered it? | Oct 28 20:56 |
| schestowitz_bed | Months/weeks before I was offered the option of a download link; never got any email. | Oct 28 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I wouldn't make a very good prisoner. | Oct 28 20:57 |
| DaemonFC | I would refuse to do work for free, even if it meant being thrown in seclusion. | Oct 28 20:57 |
| schestowitz_bed | The thing is, the lack of response is why I stopped posting in identica; I planned to continue beforehand. | Oct 28 20:57 |
| schestowitz_bed | DaemonFC: depends what on | Oct 28 20:57 |
| schestowitz_bed | some jobs are also good causes | Oct 28 20:57 |
| schestowitz_bed | and just pay no salary | Oct 28 20:58 |
| schestowitz_bed | almost any job that pays no salary is a good cause | Oct 28 20:58 |
| schestowitz_bed | like real journalism | Oct 28 20:58 |
| schestowitz_bed | not PR pretending to be *it* | Oct 28 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | A good prisoner will refuse to make it worth his captor's efforts, to the furthest extent possible. | Oct 28 20:58 |
| DaemonFC | These prisons get free labor out of inmates, and that makes it very profitable to keep them imprisoned. | Oct 28 20:59 |
| DaemonFC | They offer time off for good behavior if the prisoner works. So the prisoner works, and the prison finds "infractions" that add to the time he has to serve, and brings him up near his original sentence. | Oct 28 20:59 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394926796015415296 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394927514587770881 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394928319013330945 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394929552436527104 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/394930374297800704 | Oct 28 20:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Ars 'Tech'nica says "stealing" data. I guess Ars still doesn't understand the concept of stealing. http://t.co/Od7ZTZ0mVg | Oct 28 20:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | Database hacking spree on US Army, NASA, and others costs gov’t millions | Ars Technica | Oct 28 20:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: This could be the biggest advance in camera design for a decade http://t.co/X4tsjFjUBB #openhardware | Oct 28 20:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.redsharknews.com | RedShark News - This could be the biggest advance in camera design for a decade | Oct 28 20:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Apple can't handle updates http://t.co/olWkslqP0E #apple #shoddy #secondclass | Oct 28 20:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.lessig.org | Wow, or from the When-Apple-Became-the-Borg Department | Lessig | Oct 28 20:59 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: So #apple not only facilitates #censorship (famously). It is censoring heavily itself http://t.co/ivdUmfpigw #northkorea model | Oct 28 21:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.lessig.org | the slaughter continues — Apple’s latest deleted comment: | Lessig | Oct 28 21:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Internet Needs an Uncompromising "Marco Civil" in Brazil! http://t.co/4Ui3I461Hp "defending free speech and freedoms online" | Oct 28 21:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.laquadrature.net | Internet Needs an Uncompromising "Marco Civil" in Brazil! | La Quadrature du Net | Oct 28 21:00 |
| Sosumi | http://forums.macrumors.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=443899&d=1382993288 | Oct 28 21:08 |
| Sosumi | apple copied the trashcan designe | Oct 28 21:08 |
| Sosumi | and yes that's a fully functional pc inside a moded trashcan turned case | Oct 28 21:09 |
| Sosumi | also, face recognition and m$ kinect like functionality is coming to ps4's eyetoy thing | Oct 28 21:10 |
| Sosumi | so, big brother'll be watching you | Oct 28 21:11 |
| MinceR | http://www.pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/fs12.jpg | Oct 28 21:17 |
| Sosumi | yep, that's the same thing afk | Oct 28 21:18 |
| Sosumi | when you're doing something relevant that changes or tries to mess with the order of things | Oct 28 21:18 |
| Sosumi | just watch everyone standing to go against you | Oct 28 21:19 |
| DaemonFC | An extravagant lifestyle is a lifestyle with no free time and lots of debt for most people. I haven't ever been in debt because I never need anything that badly. | Oct 28 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | You have megacorporations that benefit from high inflation, because it gets people in the mindset that it doesn't matter where all of their money is going as long as they waste all of it as rapidly as possible. | Oct 28 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | Along with this, we get the lie that inflation makes debt cheaper. For that to happen, wages have to rise with inflation, while debt is a static amount. So it's basically a lie to get people to accept a one-two punch. When was the last time you got a 3% raise and used it to pay down all of your zero interest loans? | Oct 28 21:24 |
| DaemonFC | Didn't think so. | Oct 28 21:24 |
| Sosumi | wages have only decreased | Oct 28 21:27 |
| Sosumi | lol | Oct 28 21:27 |
| Sosumi | well, unless you're a bankster or some money junkie from wall street | Oct 28 21:28 |
| Sosumi | or the city | Oct 28 21:28 |
| Sosumi | and I'm not in debt either, I just buy what I need to live | Oct 28 21:30 |
| Sosumi | aside, M$ is forbidding comparisons between the ps4 and the xbone | Oct 28 21:32 |
| Sosumi | xbone the wimpy | Oct 28 21:33 |
| Sosumi | but sony is junk anyways | Oct 28 21:33 |
| DaemonFC | I don't make very much money. | Oct 28 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | A lot of people would probably laugh at the amount of money I have. | Oct 28 21:34 |
| DaemonFC | But I have no debt, and I could last a while with no income. | Oct 28 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | So I'm part of the top 22% by default. | Oct 28 21:35 |
| DaemonFC | It's harder to make more money than it is to spend less of it. | Oct 28 21:35 |
| Sosumi | it's though out there | Oct 28 21:46 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 28 21:46 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 28 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | a few seconds ago | Oct 28 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | I do disagree with Freedom Indiana on one thing. Claiming to be "bipartisan" is a mistake. | Oct 28 22:23 |
| DaemonFC | Pretty much 99% of this particular problem problem that we are trying to fight is coming from one major political party that has made itself the pain in the ass of pretty much all Americans, whether they really realize that or not. | Oct 28 22:23 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 29 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.pbs.org/newshour/rundown/2013/10/that-time-harrison-ford-flubbed-a-star-wars-line-ate-a-headset.html | Oct 29 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | I still say that Grand Moff Tarkin was a Republican. | Oct 29 02:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.pbs.org | That's no moon, it's a 36-year-late 'Star Wars' blooper reel | PBS NewsHour [ http://ur1.ca/fyb2s ] | Oct 29 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | "You'd prefer another target? Then name the system!" *blows up Alderaan anyway* | Oct 29 02:43 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer shared a link. | Oct 29 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Oct 29 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | From the upcoming Stargate SG-1 video game: | Oct 29 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | O'Neill: "Ra has a daughter? I thought he was batting for the other team?" | Oct 29 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | Reference to Jaye Davidson, who played Ra in the 1994 Stargate movie, who is gay. | Oct 29 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | He might have dressed up like a Pride float, but he made a really good villain. | Oct 29 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeWC6Cc7XVY | Oct 29 02:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Daniel Jackson meets Ra - Greatest stargate scene ever ! - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fyb34 ] | Oct 29 02:47 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer shared a link via Ars Technica. | Oct 29 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | 15 minutes ago | Oct 29 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | The area where I have to give Intel credit. They've never had a proprietary graphics driver for GNU/Linux, only a Free (as in Freedom) one. Those proprietary drivers do some really nasty things. For one, they open up lots of backdoors into your system, some of which are probably because of the NSA. The other nasty thing they do is cause problems throughout the entire kernel and userspace. I tracked a bug with Nvidia's proprietary driver that | Oct 29 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | was causing my instant messagine program to work. Also, with Nvidia's proprietary driver loaded, sometimes my keyboard wasn't detected, and I'd have to unplug it and plug it back in. | Oct 29 02:51 |
| DaemonFC | That's why I ended up taking the Nvidia card out and replacing it with a Radeon. | Oct 29 02:51 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/evanpro/status/395005081432510465 https://twitter.com/evanpro/status/395005166987911168 | Oct 29 03:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @evanpro: @schestowitz Understandable. You're an outlier; your huge number of posts on identi.ca kills all my backup scripts. I'll work on it. | Oct 29 03:23 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @evanpro: @schestowitz Would it help if I got the other few accounts downloaded first? | Oct 29 03:23 |
| schestowitz_bed | that would be great | Oct 29 03:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://www.tuxmachines.org/node/61604 | Oct 29 03:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tuxmachines.org | Sold! (tentatively) | tuxmachines.org | Oct 29 03:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 03:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | I guess tuxmachines.org has been sold for $1000. I know it's kinda low, but times have changed and the new owner plans to carry on the tuxmachines tradition. | Oct 29 03:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | I suppose that's all I should say for now until the deal is written in stone. | Oct 29 03:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | Thanks everyone for everything: all the visits, all the jokes, comments, and donations. But more on that later as well. | Oct 29 03:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 03:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3222042 | Oct 29 03:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Alan Grayson: "Which Foreigners Got the Fed's $500,000,000,000?" Bernanke: "I Don't Know." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0NYBTkE1yQ #grayson #economy | Oct 29 03:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | Alan Grayson: "Which Foreigners Got the Fed's $500,000,000,000?" Bernanke: "I Don't Know." - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fyb82 ] | Oct 29 03:36 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Bernanke gets paid to know nothing year after year." | Oct 29 03:36 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Bernanke gets paid to "know nothing" year after year." | Oct 29 03:36 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3222397 | Oct 29 03:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: action is his reward... | Oct 29 03:37 |
| schestowitz_bed | "That and international fan lol..." | Oct 29 03:37 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3222027 | Oct 29 03:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 9 TRILLION Dollars Missing from Federal Reserve,Fed Inspector General Can't Explain https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GYNVNhB-m0o #debt | Oct 29 03:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | 9 TRILLION Dollars Missing from Federal Reserve,Fed Inspector General Can't Explain - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fyb86 ] | Oct 29 03:37 |
| schestowitz_bed | "u cant explain dat" | Oct 29 03:37 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3221969 | Oct 29 03:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared:  | Oct 29 03:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3221969No. Edison had more than 10,000 prototypes to create that light bulb. It takes LOTS of realizations and improvements to do something significant. Learn to challenge yourself continually." | Oct 29 03:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared:  | Oct 29 03:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | He hardly invented the bulb, he copied others | Oct 29 03:39 |
| schestowitz_bed | On who really invented bulbs http://www.history.com/news/ask-history/who-really-invented-the-light-bulb | Oct 29 03:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.history.com | Who really invented the light bulb? — Ask HISTORY — History Q&A [ http://ur1.ca/fyb8n ] | Oct 29 03:40 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://sphotos-h.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/1378739_1425673547660422_412233286_n.jpg | Oct 29 03:55 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://www.policymic.com/articles/22228/predator-drone-strikes-kill-up-to-50-civilians-for-every-1-terrorist-assassinated-study | Oct 29 04:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.policymic.com | Predator Drone Strikes Kill Up to 50 Civilians For Every 1 Terrorist Assassinated: Study - PolicyMic [ http://ur1.ca/fybcd ] | Oct 29 04:19 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://www.forbes.com/sites/kashmirhill/2013/10/25/ex-nsa-chief-acela-twitter-whoops/ | Oct 29 04:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.forbes.com | Ex-NSA Chief Is Not The First To Have His 'Private' Acela Conversation Tapped (But Is Definitely The Most Ironic) - Forbes [ http://ur1.ca/fybdd ] | Oct 29 04:31 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_972ea8a7ca004d8d44df.png | Oct 29 04:42 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395033163078332416 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395036698608173056 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395037437648723968 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395041404680171520 | Oct 29 05:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Apple’s engineers appear to have... removed many features for no apparent reason" http://t.co/w1C9DMoyhM | Oct 29 05:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.betalogue.com | Betalogue » Pages 5: An unmitigated disaster | Oct 29 05:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The #nsa is high on packets cocaine http://t.co/S2SLpjKkxn #japan #asia | Oct 29 05:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.japantimes.co.jp | NSA asked Japan to tap regionwide fiber-optic cables in 2011 | The Japan Times | Oct 29 05:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Fukushima horse breeder braves high radiation levels to care for animals http://t.co/5gzYyTSuss #japan | Oct 29 05:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theguardian.com | Fukushima horse breeder braves high radiation levels to care for animals | World news | The Guardian | Oct 29 05:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Japan secrecy act stirs fears about press freedom, right to know http://t.co/qONG2XrRQm #japan | Oct 29 05:06 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.reuters.com | Japan secrecy act stirs fears about press freedom, right to know | Reuters | Oct 29 05:06 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395042595187224576 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395044311160881152 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395045753158381568 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395047126302199808 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395048052182237184 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395051084596916224 | Oct 29 05:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Friends https://t.co/rzt0zdsYZ0 | Oct 29 05:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: A Quake Revives Japan's Nuclear Nightmare http://t.co/g0NQmRcCAc #japan | Oct 29 05:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.bloomberg.com | A Quake Revives Japan's Nuclear Nightmare - Bloomberg | Oct 29 05:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "After sea kayaking after BP's spill happened, I was sitting at my desk and started coughing up loads of blood" http://t.co/HxQTXDyiR2 | Oct 29 05:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.aljazeera.com | BP's 'widespread human health crisis' - Features - Al Jazeera English | Oct 29 05:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Relative freedom https://t.co/yLH37U9r2V | Oct 29 05:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Syria meme http://t.co/vPiPG8cuM4 | Oct 29 05:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Our Invisible Revolution http://t.co/vPhRV7u59c "Ruling elites, once the ideas that justify their existence are dead, resort to force." | Oct 29 05:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.truthdig.com | Chris Hedges: Our Invisible Revolution - Chris Hedges - Truthdig | Oct 29 05:07 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395053782129983488 | Oct 29 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: CNN on those 'poor' #drone 'pilots' http://t.co/QDZhOmn99w "The “video game” aspect of his job was reinforced by his trainers, he said." | Oct 29 05:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> amanpour.blogs.cnn.com | Confessions of an American drone warrior – Amanpour - CNN.com Blogs | Oct 29 05:08 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395056594649894912 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395055234260926464 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395053782129983488 | Oct 29 05:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: I feel bad for people who think that DuckDuckGo gives them #privacy while hosted on/by strong #CIA partner #Amazon http://t.co/lkhI997q5v | Oct 29 05:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Apple’s Latest Bogus Claims Give False Sense of Privacy, Paint iMessage as ‘Secure’ | Techrights | Oct 29 05:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Ubuntu’s Mark Shuttleworth wins Austria’s Big Brother Award http://t.co/nKhl68y8Ne local searches sent to strong CIA partner Amazon | Oct 29 05:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.muktware.com | Ubuntu's Mark Shuttleworth wins Austria's Big Brother Award | Muktware | Oct 29 05:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 05:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | The Government wants to teach all children how to code. Here's why it's a stupid idea | Oct 29 05:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | My Telegraph Blogs colleague Jack Rivlin is looking for a developer, and is frustrated because he can’t find one in Shoreditch. Jack is the perfect poster child for why our kids can’t code – he’s a normal person, rather than an exceptionally dull weirdo, like the bulk of developers. | Oct 29 05:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | I'm all for people to learning to code – I wrote a piece arguing we should teach it in prisons earlier this year – but I think we need to be aware of its limitations. Coding is a niche, mechanical skill, a bit like plumbing or car repair. | Oct 29 05:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | As a subject, it only appeals to a limited set of people – the aforementioned dull weirdos. | Oct 29 05:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | ' | Oct 29 05:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/technology/willardfoxton2/100011290/the-government-wants-to-teach-all-children-how-to-code-heres-why-its-a-stupid-idea/ | Oct 29 05:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | blogs.telegraph.co.uk | The Government wants to teach all children how to code. Here's why it's a stupid idea – Telegraph Blogs [ http://ur1.ca/fybi2 ] | Oct 29 05:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 05:22 |
| schestowitz_bed | For the last decade or so, computing lessons have been dreadful. ICT has become one of those pathetic subjects like Religious Education: taught by the runts of the teaching litter and seen as pointless by pupils. | Oct 29 05:22 |
| schestowitz_bed | So, the current curriculum is broken. However, the new curriculum that Jack likes so much wrongly thinks that teaching everyone to code is the answer. The new rules expect five to seven year-olds to understand the definition of an algorithm years before they are due to be taught algebra, as well as being able to "create and debug simple computer programs". Once they've grasped this, seven to 11 year-olds will have to code programs | Oct 29 05:22 |
| schestowitz_bed | in at least two programming languages". | Oct 29 05:22 |
| schestowitz_bed | ' | Oct 29 05:22 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | Your friend Jack can't find a developer because ideas are a dime a dozen. | Oct 29 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | I get approached weekly by people who have a great idea. They can't | Oct 29 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | afford me. Ideas are a dime a dozen. "Charming idea guys" are worthless. | Oct 29 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | They are also a thing of the past. There are a few exceptions but already | Oct 29 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | in most firms the geeks average pay surpasses the marketing and idea people | Oct 29 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | and it's going to get worse. I predict within a few years that the geeks will be | Oct 29 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | the ones that both create the ideas and code it. There will still be a need for | Oct 29 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | marketers and other jobs geeks don't want to do but they will be the low paid | Oct 29 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | people at the companies. I already work in just such a business. I'm the | Oct 29 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | highest paid employee and offload all my paperwork and anything else I | Oct 29 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | don't want to do to someone else so I can spend my day being creative | Oct 29 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | and doing what I enjoy. Tell me how many art or journalism majors can say that? | Oct 29 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | Coding is automation and automation is the future. You learn to code or | Oct 29 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | you'll soon be out of a job. | Oct 29 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | Well put | Oct 29 05:24 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 05:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | One of the most common things I can remember some of the dimmest minds in school saying was, "Why do I need to learn this algebra or this calculus stuff? It's not like I'm going to use it in real life." I find it amazing that as an adult, I still can find myself explaining to other adults that the reason they teach algebra and calculus in school is because it trains the mind with mental discipline and critical thinking skills. | Oct 29 05:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | I laugh out loud at some hack journalist thinking that giving students a foundation in coding skills is not worthy of the curriculum while his career is going the way of the dinosaurs. Meanwhile, careers in programming are booming. | Oct 29 05:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | I will celebrate every time the new media of free information sends another busload of hacks like you to the unemployment line. Go ahead and wail against the future, but yours is a dying breed, and the future is in computer programming. | Oct 29 05:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 05:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | "I would almost completely agree with you, except your second sentence already starts to attack programmers. It was the wrong way to approach this article, by immediately calling people names. Especially those who have the expertise in the industry and who may definitely agree with you, if you presented an article that doesn't resort to making you look completely lopsided. I see no point in discussing the true content of your | Oct 29 05:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | article for that fact alone.' | Oct 29 05:26 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395059260973133824 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395059460429066240 | Oct 29 05:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Coding is automation and automation is the future. You learn to code or you'll soon be out of a job." -Comment on http://t.co/QgGtiVj03c | Oct 29 05:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> blogs.telegraph.co.uk | The Government wants to teach all children how to code. Here's why it's a stupid idea – Telegraph Blogs | Oct 29 05:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Price of printer ink https://t.co/7FWAE5zheM | Oct 29 05:31 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | David Cameron makes veiled threat to media over NSA and GCHQ leaks | World news | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fybqi ] | Oct 29 06:24 |
| iophk | Doesn't seem that veiled | Oct 29 06:24 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | Techrights | People's rights in the digital age | Plutocracy threatened by freedom, democracy, privacy & civil rights | Oct 29 08:01 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3222397 | Oct 29 08:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: action is his reward... | Oct 29 08:07 |
| schestowitz_bed | "that guy looks heavy lol" | Oct 29 08:07 |
| Snowleaksange | #1 way to defeat NSA: Linux | Oct 29 08:09 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3224026 | Oct 29 08:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: vampire realization... | Oct 29 08:39 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Here's the whole thing: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GZ5kCLR4vc If you can speak German it's even funnier. :)" | Oct 29 08:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Der Magische Spiegel - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fycfn ] | Oct 29 08:39 |
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| DaemonFC | Amazon changed their free super saver shipping. | Oct 29 08:56 |
| DaemonFC | Now you have to spend $35. | Oct 29 08:56 |
| *MinceR_ is now known as MinceR | Oct 29 09:02 | |
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| schestowitz_bed | http://fossforce.com/2013/10/using-foss-windows-centric-environment/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=using-foss-windows-centric-environment | Oct 29 09:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | fossforce.com | Using FOSS in a Windows-Centric Corporate Environment - FOSS Force [ http://ur1.ca/fycms ] | Oct 29 09:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 09:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | FileZilla running on Windows | Oct 29 09:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | FileZilla, a free and open source FTP client that can run on Windows, Mac OS X and GNU/Linux. | Oct 29 09:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | You have probably installed Linux on your work laptop and impress your colleagues with the style and performance of your operating systems. You promote Linux! Lucky you! I am envious! | Oct 29 09:18 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 09:18 |
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| iophk | FileZilla -> SFTP client | Oct 29 09:24 |
| iophk | why are people still talking about FTP in 2013? | Oct 29 09:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | old habits | Oct 29 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | for some reason I've had "All Along The Watchtower" stuck in my head all day. | Oct 29 09:30 |
| DaemonFC | I think it's obvious that I'm a cylon. | Oct 29 09:30 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395116766118309888 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395120741039239168 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395121379911430144 | Oct 29 09:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: PC-BSD 9.2: The daemon is in the details http://t.co/vYVrA1OyVD #pcbsd #bsd #unic | Oct 29 09:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> distrowatch.com | DistroWatch.com: Put the fun back into computing. Use Linux, BSD. | Oct 29 09:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Reversal https://t.co/Ra9RSIVCMZ | Oct 29 09:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Uncle Sam http://t.co/303q2wZz6R | Oct 29 09:36 |
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| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/reflections-on-the-long-fight-against-the-copyright-monopoly-and-what-you-can-do-131027/ | Oct 29 11:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Reflections On The Long Fight Against The Copyright Monopoly – And What You Can Do | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/fyd3v ] | Oct 29 11:13 |
| iophk | http://www.infoworld.com/d/data-center/operating-systems-want-be-free-229529 | Oct 29 11:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | Operating systems want to be free | Data Center - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fyd4i ] | Oct 29 11:22 |
| iophk | "selling" software may vanish | Oct 29 11:23 |
| iophk | software is just a means to an end | Oct 29 11:43 |
| iophk | Maybe similar to Collusion: http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24477-firefox-plugin-reveals-who-is-tracking-your-surfing.html | Oct 29 11:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Couldn't resolve host 'www.newscientist.com' ( status 0 @ http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24477-firefox-plugin-reveals-who-is-tracking-your-surfing.html ) | Oct 29 11:52 |
| iophk | http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22029401.700-has-the-time-come-to-abandon-online-anonymity.html | Oct 29 11:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.newscientist.com | Has the time come to abandon online anonymity? - opinion - 25 October 2013 - New Scientist [ http://ur1.ca/fydbd ] | Oct 29 11:54 |
| MinceR | No. | Oct 29 11:54 |
| MinceR | Next question. | Oct 29 11:55 |
| iophk | Agreed. | Oct 29 11:55 |
| iophk | However, it is important to note what message is getting a voice in the non-tech sector. | Oct 29 11:55 |
| iophk | They had another similar article paywalled | Oct 29 12:00 |
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| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/torrent-site-admin-who-turned-pigsty-into-datacenter-jailed-for-a-year-131027/ | Oct 29 14:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Torrent Site Admin Who Turned Pigsty into Datacenter Jailed for a Year | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/fye1e ] | Oct 29 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: hopefuly thi guy can make a remater :) | Oct 29 14:20 |
| iophk | the pigsty guy? | Oct 29 14:20 |
| sebsebseb | uh? | Oct 29 14:20 |
| iophk | "Torrent Site Admin Who Turned Pigsty into Datacenter Jailed for a Year" | Oct 29 14:21 |
| iophk | Did you get any useful advice from the forums? | Oct 29 14:21 |
| iophk | What about from the makers of Mageia's official images? | Oct 29 14:21 |
| iophk | I'd still say that it would be unproductive and maybe even trouble to try to push remasters on people. | Oct 29 14:24 |
| iophk | As mentioned, the QA that has gone into the official images is worth a lot and not easily duplicated. | Oct 29 14:25 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yep indeed too the QA stuff | Oct 29 14:26 |
| sebsebseb | ,but really all the remaster is meant to do is add in updates and some pre installed apps | Oct 29 14:26 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think I should take offical ISO's with me to the event as well :D | Oct 29 14:26 |
| sebsebseb | even if htey don't for other distros | Oct 29 14:26 |
| sebsebseb | so that if problems with the re masters for this one wel | Oct 29 14:27 |
| iophk | Yes, but if you do that during the installation process, they visitors *learn* how to do it themselves. | Oct 29 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well as I put before | Oct 29 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | they want to give out loads of remasterd USB's of distros | Oct 29 14:27 |
| iophk | Learning to install apps and to do a proper update is important | Oct 29 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | and only do some installs if there is time | Oct 29 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | event is ony six hours | Oct 29 14:27 |
| iophk | USBs will get wiped and formatted with FAT32 as soon as they leave the room. | Oct 29 14:27 |
| iophk | Waste of money | Oct 29 14:27 |
| sebsebseb | maybe so | Oct 29 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | ,but they want these reasters so | Oct 29 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | remaster is ok for testing stuff out | Oct 29 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | ,but some of them want the installs done frm it to | Oct 29 14:28 |
| iophk | Yes ok for testing but not for installfests | Oct 29 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well it's not really a installfest now | Oct 29 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | it's ell | Oct 29 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | Linux Live 2014 | Oct 29 14:28 |
| sebsebseb | or whatever it's going to be called | Oct 29 14:28 |
| iophk | A demo | Oct 29 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | it's about giving Live remasters out, and doing a few installs if time | Oct 29 14:29 |
| iophk | then they should definintely not give out remasters | Oct 29 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | if hardy any people got time for a few installs | Oct 29 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | that's the idea now | Oct 29 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | even tiself is only six hours | Oct 29 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | event | Oct 29 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well they think it's a good idea to gie out a remstred USB stick, with pre installed programs that they may want instaled | Oct 29 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | that isn't by default | Oct 29 14:29 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: main thing is I need to make a remaster | Oct 29 14:30 |
| iophk | Six hours is probably enough for up to 8 installs per staff member, if an install is three quarters of an hour | Oct 29 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | and well we havne't 100% decided all the technial stuff just yet | Oct 29 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: well can take over 20 minutes for an install | Oct 29 14:30 |
| iophk | What kind of help have you gotten from the forum, what about from the Mageia team? | Oct 29 14:30 |
| iophk | I'd say 45 min for an install | Oct 29 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | and there's ony like six of us so far | Oct 29 14:30 |
| sebsebseb | and might have quite a few people | Oct 29 14:31 |
| iophk | there's a lot of talking and you havce to also show how to update and how to install a package | Oct 29 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah and talking is part of it | Oct 29 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | hence why installs are now ony if there is time | Oct 29 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | otherwise it's about showing stuff on demoontration computers, and giving out remasters | Oct 29 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | maybe some ofifical cd's etc to | Oct 29 14:31 |
| sebsebseb | I don't think we should rely only on these remasters for all of it | Oct 29 14:32 |
| sebsebseb | I think it's good to have offica media there too, but now two of them seem too think that it isn't nesassrey to have offical | Oct 29 14:32 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think let them mess things up for Ubuntu, Mint, and Open Suse, if things are going that way | Oct 29 14:32 |
| sebsebseb | ,but regardless o what they say | Oct 29 14:32 |
| sebsebseb | I will make sure I got officl Mageia media with me as well | Oct 29 14:32 |
| sebsebseb | to gie out, or use for installs posssibly | Oct 29 14:33 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't care about Ubuntu, Mint, and Open Suse for this | Oct 29 14:33 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I am doing this, becuse I want Magiea out there more | Oct 29 14:33 |
| sebsebseb | basically or mainly | Oct 29 14:33 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: as for what help I got, well someone is going to try and make one again | Oct 29 14:34 |
| sebsebseb | one of the packagers | Oct 29 14:34 |
| sebsebseb | and another packager sent me emails aobut how to possbilly do it | Oct 29 14:34 |
| sebsebseb | in general the response hasn't been that good at all from people though | Oct 29 14:34 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: QA woman basicaly recommending against, and someone else frm the board, being like why have a remaster? why woud they require htat | Oct 29 14:35 |
| sebsebseb | why not just say you can't do it | Oct 29 14:35 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I feel like I am relying on only one person at the moment, this guy who made with some isobuilder beore | Oct 29 14:35 |
| sebsebseb | he said he would try again tonight, and documentate it and such on the wiki | Oct 29 14:36 |
| iophk | The more I think, the worse a remaster sounds | Oct 29 14:36 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they are asoutlly stuck on the remaster idea some of those people | Oct 29 14:37 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think best idea i to have remasters if they want them so badly, but also offical edia | Oct 29 14:37 |
| sebsebseb | make it clear to the person at the event hte differnece | Oct 29 14:38 |
| iophk | Yes, I would only give out the official discs | Oct 29 14:38 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: why not give out remaster, and officl media | Oct 29 14:38 |
| sebsebseb | well some of them think it's absoutly fine to do installs from the remaster as well | Oct 29 14:38 |
| sebsebseb | whole idea is to give out the remaster, since it has stuff pre instaled | Oct 29 14:38 |
| sebsebseb | pre installed stuff that Joe and Jane average may want pre installed that woudn't be by default | Oct 29 14:38 |
| sebsebseb | they think by giving out remsters it's keeping things, keep it simple stupid | Oct 29 14:39 |
| iophk | from a learning perspective, it is *much* better to have them do an update themselves | Oct 29 14:39 |
| iophk | the same for adding an app or two | Oct 29 14:39 |
| sebsebseb | I agree with that | Oct 29 14:39 |
| sebsebseb | from a learning perspective it's better for them to do an install | Oct 29 14:39 |
| sebsebseb | and get additonal stuff them selves | Oct 29 14:39 |
| sebsebseb | ,but now this isn't really a installfest anymore as well as I wasying | Oct 29 14:39 |
| sebsebseb | it's a live/demonstraiton fest, the remaster being a demo as well | Oct 29 14:40 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think the main thing is that the person understands what htey are biging given | Oct 29 14:40 |
| sebsebseb | this is bsed on the offial, but has some changes... | Oct 29 14:40 |
| iophk | sounds like it will overwhelm them, I think | Oct 29 14:40 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they want Skype and such pre installed it seems | Oct 29 14:41 |
| sebsebseb | a selection of default apps | Oct 29 14:41 |
| iophk | Skype is just plain nasty and has no place at a FOSS event | Oct 29 14:41 |
| sebsebseb | default additional apps and have the same ones in all of them | Oct 29 14:41 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: wel someone suggestd Jitsi as the alterntive | Oct 29 14:41 |
| sebsebseb | ,but Skype might end up being in depends | Oct 29 14:42 |
| iophk | You can't have it pre-installed on the disc because there's no telling how the sound system will or won't work | Oct 29 14:42 |
| iophk | If the sound doesn't work they will blame Linux | Oct 29 14:42 |
| sebsebseb | oh that's a point | Oct 29 14:42 |
| sebsebseb | Skype may need some setting up you mean | Oct 29 14:42 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Oct 29 14:42 |
| sebsebseb | worked well for me in Magiea 3 when I put in | Oct 29 14:42 |
| iophk | Yes but more importantly the general sound system needs setting up | Oct 29 14:42 |
| sebsebseb | jitsi is bette than Skype | Oct 29 14:42 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I don't think the technical stuff like that has been thought out yet | Oct 29 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | propery | Oct 29 14:43 |
| iophk | Jitsi is *way* better than skype | Oct 29 14:43 |
| iophk | the sound is better | Oct 29 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | remasters not getting QA thing being one of them | Oct 29 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | if Skype should really be pre installed or not another etc | Oct 29 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I can probably talk whoever out of Skype quite easilly | Oct 29 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | just say we'll do jitsi | Oct 29 14:43 |
| iophk | It sounds like a lot of technical stuff is being ignored | Oct 29 14:43 |
| iophk | yesJitsi is the way to go | Oct 29 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | someone who aparnatlly is meant to be more technical than the rest of us others, apparantly | Oct 29 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | was recommending jitsi | Oct 29 14:43 |
| sebsebseb | oh that's the Open Suse guy as well | Oct 29 14:44 |
| iophk | even a stopped clock is right twice a day... | Oct 29 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah Skpe may be knwn, but it's not that great | Oct 29 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: heh heh | Oct 29 14:44 |
| iophk | Skype is closed source ,closed format, and M$ | Oct 29 14:44 |
| iophk | It's the antithesis of FOSS | Oct 29 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | you mean he picked a bad distro, but is irght about jitsi being better? | Oct 29 14:44 |
| iophk | yes | Oct 29 14:44 |
| sebsebseb | yeah so I'll say no Skype | Oct 29 14:45 |
| sebsebseb | let's do Jitsi instead | Oct 29 14:45 |
| sebsebseb | I think most should go alon with that one | Oct 29 14:45 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ata | Oct 29 14:45 |
| sebsebseb | actsally with Skype distros arne't allowed to just install it directly from repo's | Oct 29 14:45 |
| sebsebseb | so I wonder about having it pre installed into remasters hmm | Oct 29 14:45 |
| sebsebseb | distro's have to use a script and get it off hte offiiccal site/server | Oct 29 14:45 |
| iophk | What are they going to do, sue you? | Oct 29 14:46 |
| sebsebseb | no probably not | Oct 29 14:46 |
| iophk | Seriously though Jitsi is a better and *more appropriate* option for VoIP | Oct 29 14:46 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yep Skype is a uh | Oct 29 14:46 |
| sebsebseb | better to put jitsi in | Oct 29 14:46 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: Skype also is old in Linux | Oct 29 14:46 |
| iophk | Jitsi is FOSS, it is open standard and it is an open project | Oct 29 14:46 |
| sebsebseb | compard to Windows | Oct 29 14:46 |
| sebsebseb | soem people will atsully notice that, that it's a quite old version with Linux | Oct 29 14:46 |
| sebsebseb | and something newer with WIndows | Oct 29 14:46 |
| iophk | Skype for linux is going away as you see and as people have warned | Oct 29 14:46 |
| sebsebseb | Skype for Linux is going away? | Oct 29 14:47 |
| iophk | also Skype has dreadful security | Oct 29 14:47 |
| sebsebseb | I got Skype ope nat hte moment still I think | Oct 29 14:47 |
| iophk | yes Skype for Linux is going away eventually | Oct 29 14:47 |
| iophk | M$ owns it now | Oct 29 14:47 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: anyway yeah jitsi put that in by defalt | Oct 29 14:47 |
| sebsebseb | pidgin yep | Oct 29 14:47 |
| sebsebseb | they don' want ink scape, and this other guy is like to save spac, could remoe gimp | Oct 29 14:47 |
| sebsebseb | I Think having both gimp and inkscape may be worht it actllly, and some kind of photo editor | Oct 29 14:48 |
| iophk | I would agree, both need to be there | Oct 29 14:48 |
| iophk | If you are making a DVD there is a lot of space. | Oct 29 14:48 |
| sebsebseb | well some of the USB's are 1GB which is a bit small for most | Oct 29 14:48 |
| iophk | If you are making a CD, well there's not much space for what is expected | Oct 29 14:48 |
| sebsebseb | ,but there's £100 of funding stil | Oct 29 14:48 |
| sebsebseb | that could be used to buy 4GB USB sticks | Oct 29 14:48 |
| iophk | USB sticks will get reformatted with FAT32 upon leaving the room. They will be looked on as swag, nothing more. | Oct 29 14:49 |
| sebsebseb | yeah can re format them qute easilly in Windows with Fat32 I think? | Oct 29 14:49 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: that's something else ome of them are obbsed with USB sticks | Oct 29 14:50 |
| sebsebseb | booting distros off them etc | Oct 29 14:50 |
| iophk | AFAIK windows won't be able to read them and when people plug them into their windows computers, they'll click on "ok" when it asks to reformat. | Oct 29 14:50 |
| sebsebseb | true though with a CD or DVD R, well stuck with htat is on it | Oct 29 14:50 |
| iophk | CD R can be burned on demand | Oct 29 14:50 |
| iophk | less waste | Oct 29 14:50 |
| sebsebseb | yeah Windows can show what's on the USB just about I think in file manager | Oct 29 14:51 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah | Oct 29 14:51 |
| iophk | it can only show the formats it can read | Oct 29 14:51 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: with CD R and DVD R stuck with what's on it | Oct 29 14:51 |
| sebsebseb | can't just re formt htat | Oct 29 14:51 |
| MinceR | depends on the liveusb | Oct 29 14:51 |
| iophk | all others it offers to format, and most Windows users are practiced in mindlessly clicking "ok" | Oct 29 14:51 |
| iophk | to all dialog boxes | Oct 29 14:51 |
| MinceR | slax (also Linux Live) can make liveusb-s that are readable in winblows | Oct 29 14:51 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: soe people might think oh that Intel USB stick looks nice | Oct 29 14:51 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah yeah I'll take three or so of those whatever amount we have for distros | Oct 29 14:52 |
| iophk | yep | Oct 29 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | then go home and reformat it like your syaing | Oct 29 14:52 |
| iophk | free usb sticks | Oct 29 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | oh and that Intel USB stick looks nice | Oct 29 14:52 |
| MinceR | what intel usb stick? | Oct 29 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | ok it's ony 1GB and may need bigger ones | Oct 29 14:52 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: been given 30 USB sticks from Intel | Oct 29 14:53 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: soeone worked for them and arranged that, I was hpeing they would sponser it properly and such, but nope | Oct 29 14:53 |
| sebsebseb | he was askin for 30 USB sticks by the end of November, and we got this reply.... | Oct 29 14:53 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: yeah I don't like the idea of iving out free usb sticks | Oct 29 14:54 |
| sebsebseb | if using CD R and DVD R stuck with htat's on it | Oct 29 14:54 |
| sebsebseb | can't just reformt that | Oct 29 14:54 |
| iophk | exactly | Oct 29 14:54 |
| sebsebseb | maybe there's a reason that USB sticks aren't just given out at thee FOSS events | Oct 29 14:54 |
| sebsebseb | why does it always seem to be CD R or DVD R possbily | Oct 29 14:54 |
| sebsebseb | I guess since this? | Oct 29 14:54 |
| iophk | I would think so | Oct 29 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | event may be aimed at general pubic | Oct 29 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | ,but | Oct 29 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | the people turning up I assume hae some sort of idea how to use a computer, with Windows anyway | Oct 29 14:55 |
| iophk | Most don't | Oct 29 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | and reforating a USB won't take much | Oct 29 14:55 |
| iophk | they learn a few tricks | Oct 29 14:55 |
| iophk | and then stick with it for years and years | Oct 29 14:55 |
| sebsebseb | well yes | Oct 29 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | ,but rforating a USB isn't htat hard | Oct 29 14:56 |
| iophk | if they were learners they would hav emoved on to another OS | Oct 29 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | either way may get some coming for free swag | Oct 29 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | usb sticks | Oct 29 14:56 |
| iophk | reformatting occurs automatically when Windows can't read the device | Oct 29 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | to format | Oct 29 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: are you sure it wil just reforat the USB stick if it can't read | Oct 29 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Oct 29 14:56 |
| iophk | Yes | Oct 29 14:56 |
| sebsebseb | well that' no good either if that's so | Oct 29 14:57 |
| iophk | I've had to stop people from reformatting them | Oct 29 14:57 |
| iophk | even *after* I warned them | Oct 29 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | it ruins the remaster or whatever is on it | Oct 29 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | if they stick it in windows and yep | Oct 29 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | bye bye what we gave them | Oct 29 14:57 |
| iophk | even "skilled" people just press OK on WIndows dialog boxes | Oct 29 14:57 |
| MinceR | try it with a FAT32-based SLAX LiveUSB | Oct 29 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: people don't unmount usb's either in general | Oct 29 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | when they shoul relaly | Oct 29 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | I think CD R's and DVD's are a load cheaper | Oct 29 14:57 |
| sebsebseb | to buy lots of them as well | Oct 29 14:58 |
| iophk | Do the sticks have a read-only switch? | Oct 29 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | I don't know | Oct 29 14:58 |
| iophk | CD-R is like 0.02 EUR at some web sites | Oct 29 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | even in the shops here | Oct 29 14:58 |
| MinceR | usb flashes don't tend to have read-only switches | Oct 29 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | it's not that bad in general for a pack | Oct 29 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | well depends a bit, ut yeah | Oct 29 14:58 |
| iophk | http://www.luxdisc.com/-c-4828_831_189.html | Oct 29 14:58 |
| MinceR | full-size sd cards do, though | Oct 29 14:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.luxdisc.com | CD-R 700 MB blank - Jaydisc - CDRohlinge24*** CD-Rohlinge, DVD-Rohlinge, bedruckbare-Rohlinge und [ http://ur1.ca/fye6o ] | Oct 29 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: why ae you giving me euros | Oct 29 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I thought you were in USA? | Oct 29 14:58 |
| sebsebseb | we use pounds here in UK BY THE WAY | Oct 29 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | £ | Oct 29 14:59 |
| iophk | For while alonger | Oct 29 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | £££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££3 | Oct 29 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | £ | Oct 29 14:59 |
| iophk | :> | Oct 29 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | ££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££££3 | Oct 29 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: where do you live? | Oct 29 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: MinceR MinceR MinceR MinceR ok that's more fun :D | Oct 29 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: iophk iophk iophk iophk iophk iophk iophkii iophk iophki iophki | Oct 29 14:59 |
| iophk | sebsebsebsebsebsebsebsebsebsebsebsebsebsebseb | Oct 29 14:59 |
| iophk | sebsebseb sebsebseb sebsebseb | Oct 29 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | uh did one in wrong hannel uh | Oct 29 14:59 |
| sebsebseb | [14:59] <sebsebseb> 3458923983278932rueuiweoiruweoruweoiur | Oct 29 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | 349w8r7werouwepruweoruew | Oct 29 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | anyway yeah buying a laod of CD R's or DVD R's may be better | Oct 29 15:00 |
| iophk | Yes, and they can be burned on demand | Oct 29 15:00 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Oct 29 15:00 |
| iophk | You can make that part of the demo, in the background while showing the DE and the other apps | Oct 29 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | I think that was the origna idea to havevsoe pre burnt USB's etc and then make ore if needed | Oct 29 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: and I should be able to stock up a bit on officcal Mageia looking CD's at FOSDEM 2014 :) | Oct 29 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | and ca get them sent in for Ubuntu for exampe, and ene OPen SUse | Oct 29 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | not sure about Mint | Oct 29 15:01 |
| iophk | The USBs can be door prizes, but I doubt anyone that is a WIndows user would figure out how to boot from USB. In fact most old computers can't | Oct 29 15:01 |
| sebsebseb | well they have a idea to have a boot CD | Oct 29 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | with Grub or whatever | Oct 29 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | then stick the USB stick in | Oct 29 15:02 |
| iophk | You should find those people that left, if you get along with them , and organize an installfest | Oct 29 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | and boot it like that | Oct 29 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | instead of going into the bios | Oct 29 15:02 |
| iophk | Booting with CD is familiar even to Windows users | Oct 29 15:02 |
| iophk | Same for DVD if their drive supports it. | Oct 29 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | oh the guy who left, he only went to one LUG meeting so don't really know him | Oct 29 15:02 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: I think it's goo to have both maybe, CD/DVD too boot form and some USB's to? | Oct 29 15:03 |
| sebsebseb | have it all be prepared | Oct 29 15:03 |
| MinceR | OTOH, optical drives are getting less common :> | Oct 29 15:03 |
| sebsebseb | no CD drive in a netbook though yeah | Oct 29 15:03 |
| iophk | MinceR: On new machines they are becoming rare | Oct 29 15:03 |
| MinceR | it's been a while since i installed an OS from an optical disk | Oct 29 15:03 |
| sebsebseb | I have thought maybe I should bring along my own portable CD/DVD drive | Oct 29 15:03 |
| sebsebseb | that I use with my netbook | Oct 29 15:03 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: I am still doing that | Oct 29 15:03 |
| sebsebseb | I am old fashioned like that | Oct 29 15:03 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 29 15:03 |
| sebsebseb | even bought a externa CD/DVD drive for that | Oct 29 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | for the netbook | Oct 29 15:04 |
| MinceR | my home server, netbook and tablet pc don't have optical drives | Oct 29 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | no opitcal drive in this netbook | Oct 29 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: yes neither does ine | Oct 29 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | so I got round that | Oct 29 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | by buyig a external one | Oct 29 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | that's how I have insatlled Linux on here from that :d | Oct 29 15:04 |
| sebsebseb | not those uhmm modern USB boos | Oct 29 15:04 |
| iophk | Just think about all those music CDs. One year soon they will be looked at like those cassette tapes that got tossed. | Oct 29 15:05 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: starting to go that way slowly now | Oct 29 15:05 |
| sebsebseb | espeicaly with the cloud | Oct 29 15:05 |
| sebsebseb | ITunes | Oct 29 15:05 |
| sebsebseb | Spotify et | Oct 29 15:05 |
| sebsebseb | Last.fm | Oct 29 15:05 |
| sebsebseb | librefm | Oct 29 15:05 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR fm | Oct 29 15:05 |
| iophk | It will go slowly for a while then the end for the CDs will come quickly. | Oct 29 15:05 |
| sebsebseb | iophk rock box! | Oct 29 15:05 |
| iophk | I already see them heavily discounted online. | Oct 29 15:05 |
| iophk | I wonder if I should waste money on more | Oct 29 15:06 |
| sebsebseb | DVD 's are stil selling | Oct 29 15:06 |
| sebsebseb | and blue ray | Oct 29 15:06 |
| iophk | Bluray is something else | Oct 29 15:06 |
| sebsebseb | streaming movies hasn't quite hit off properly | Oct 29 15:06 |
| iophk | HD and Bluray are about the same thing both use the M$ codec | Oct 29 15:06 |
| sebsebseb | Sony has Blueray | Oct 29 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | ady eah it's A DRM thing | Oct 29 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah above | Oct 29 15:07 |
| iophk | I probably won't ever own one on purpose | Oct 29 15:07 |
| MinceR | VC-1? | Oct 29 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | I sort of nearlly bought one the other week | Oct 29 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | I really do mean sort of here | Oct 29 15:07 |
| sebsebseb | since the fllm was in two boxes onceh ad more stuff | Oct 29 15:08 |
| sebsebseb | turns out the smaller box was the bueray with htat bit ore or whatever | Oct 29 15:08 |
| sebsebseb | not been in a shop like that for ages, so I had forgototn that blueray is in a smaller box or whatever | Oct 29 15:08 |
| sebsebseb | I shold watch that film | Oct 29 15:08 |
| sebsebseb | stil not sen it | Oct 29 15:08 |
| iophk | sebsebseb: are there any computer show / conferences in your area during the next month? | Oct 29 15:14 |
| iophk | Going to one can get you an idea of who's out there that might come to a demo or installfest | Oct 29 15:15 |
| iophk | If it does not cost too much you could have a table there demoing Mageia | Oct 29 15:17 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3225979 | Oct 29 16:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: New Scientist: Has the time come to abandon online anonymity? http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg22029401.700-has-the-time-come-to-abandon-online-anonymity.html#.Um_ZV7PsS00/ No, fight back! http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn24477-firefox-plugin-reveals-who-is-tracking-your-surfing.html#.Um_ZTLPsS00 | Oct 29 16:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.newscientist.com | Has the time come to abandon online anonymity? - opinion - 25 October 2013 - New Scientist [ http://ur1.ca/fyekr ] | Oct 29 16:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.newscientist.com | Firefox plug-in reveals who is tracking your surfing - tech - 28 October 2013 - New Scientist [ http://ur1.ca/fyekt ] | Oct 29 16:30 |
| schestowitz_bed | "'got it, just worrying :-)" | Oct 29 16:30 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395216689908170752 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395221952656580608 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395222346111672320 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395222770898173952 | Oct 29 16:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: I won the bid for Tux Machines, my favourite site for GNU/Linux news. I will try my best to serve its community well. | Oct 29 16:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Torrent Site Admin Who Turned Pigsty into Datacenter Jailed for a Year http://t.co/CZUTwWgJZf #torrent #internet | Oct 29 16:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> torrentfreak.com | Torrent Site Admin Who Turned Pigsty into Datacenter Jailed for a Year | TorrentFreak | Oct 29 16:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: New Scientist: Has the time come to abandon online anonymity? http://t.co/LtGL8o5Sjm No, fight back! http://t.co/nD02bh9OTq | Oct 29 16:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: People who are against anonymity portray the anonymous as "trolls"&if also against privacy (correlation there) say these are "terrorists". | Oct 29 16:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395223057465638912 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395223057465638912 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395223318321971200 | Oct 29 16:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Privacy needed to express controversial opinions before/in case those opinions become acceptable. Women voters, anti-slavery, pro-cannabis.. | Oct 29 16:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Operating systems want to be free http://t.co/Z3I4Uzor5a "Two of the three major desktop operating systems are now free." | Oct 29 16:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.infoworld.com | Operating systems want to be free | Data Center - InfoWorld | Oct 29 16:40 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395223501092974592 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395226610921926656 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395226874491990016 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395227139886575616 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395227389791592448 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395227870991503361 | Oct 29 16:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Reflections On The Long Fight Against The #Copyright #Monopoly – And What You Can Do http://t.co/xCH4fa3gDE no need for monopolies | Oct 29 16:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> torrentfreak.com | Reflections On The Long Fight Against The Copyright Monopoly – And What You Can Do | TorrentFreak | Oct 29 16:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: For debate about crushing online anonymity look at South Korea. It wanted to require ID online and then there's this https://t.co/K5y1MtkwiB | Oct 29 16:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> blog.torproject.org | Online Anonymity Debate in South Korea | The Tor Blog | Oct 29 16:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Today at lunch had another debate with another older person to whom #surveillance is "good" because... TERRORISM. Using #NSA talking points. | Oct 29 16:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The "T" word is real argument winner and the spies know it; never mind espionage. Those of us who are still outraged at NSA may be minority. | Oct 29 16:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The discussion about privacy, anonymity etc. needs to improve. Right now a lot of simple-minded people will lean towards the PR of spies. | Oct 29 16:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Just because 'tech' people agree about #surveillance doesn't mean that less technical people will 'get' it.They grow up on James Bond films. | Oct 29 16:41 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/mcscx/status/395233695030063104 | Oct 29 17:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @mcscx: @schestowitz OSX is only free as in beer, not libre.You also have to have an Apple store acct to dl it.I see no big diff to when it cost €30 | Oct 29 17:01 |
| schestowitz_bed | yes, not my words | Oct 29 17:01 |
| iophk | It looks like they're pushing hard to get every OS X user into signing up for a Apple Store account. | Oct 29 17:02 |
| iophk | There might be a way around it, but most will just fill in the form and sign up | Oct 29 17:02 |
| iophk | Mavericks has a lot of problems, so there would be blowback if they charged for it and pushed the Apple Store issue . I think that getting new accounts is their main goal here. | Oct 29 17:04 |
| iophk | If 10.10 sucks, too, that will be 2 in a row and some of the aura will wear off. | Oct 29 17:05 |
| sebsebseb | yeah there's sme sort of OS X and Linus news or something I think, looked brieflly at http://linuxtoday.com earlier | Oct 29 17:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.linuxtoday.com | Linux Today - Linux News On Internet Time. | Oct 29 17:05 |
| sebsebseb | ,but not read articles | Oct 29 17:05 |
| iophk | sebsebseb, AFAIK that has been the Torvalds quote about it not mattering that Apple is making it free-of-charge. | Oct 29 17:07 |
| iophk | It is the least interesting topic or question in the whole video. | Oct 29 17:08 |
| iophk | I'm not sure why the news glommed on to it. | Oct 29 17:08 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: they are makingw hat free of charge | Oct 29 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | like I said I haven't read stuff | Oct 29 17:09 |
| iophk | Software is not going to be sold as such any more. That was just a passing phase. | Oct 29 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | they are giing OS X away free | Oct 29 17:09 |
| iophk | http://www.blinkenlights.com/classiccmp/gateswhine.html | Oct 29 17:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.blinkenlights.com | Bill Gates' Open Letter to Hobbyists [ http://ur1.ca/3rqok ] | Oct 29 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | hmm | Oct 29 17:09 |
| iophk | Giving it away free just helps sell hardware. | Oct 29 17:09 |
| iophk | Like with the Android phones | Oct 29 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: what they are reay giving OS X away freel | Oct 29 17:09 |
| iophk | or, we hope, the Ubuntu phones. | Oct 29 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Oct 29 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | links > | Oct 29 17:09 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Oct 29 17:09 |
| iophk | !google os x mavericks free | Oct 29 17:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [1] - OS X Mavericks now available as a free download | The Verge | http://www.theverge.com/2013/10/22/4865858/os-x-10-9-mavericks-release-date-price | Oct 29 17:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [2] - 6 Theories on Why Apple's OS X Mavericks Is Free [SUNDAY COMIC] | http://mashable.com/2013/10/27/os-x-mavericks-comic/ | Oct 29 17:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [3] - Yes, OS X Mavericks Is Free. Wait, No It Isn't — Or Is It? | TIME.com | http://techland.time.com/2013/10/24/yes-os-x-mavericks-is-free-wait-no-it-isnt-or-is-it/ | Oct 29 17:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | [4] - Mac App Store - OS X Mavericks - iTunes - Apple | https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/os-x-mavericks/id675248567%3Fmt%3D12 | Oct 29 17:10 |
| sebsebseb | Maverick is the latest version | Oct 29 17:10 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Oct 29 17:10 |
| iophk | Hmm.Different results. | Oct 29 17:10 |
| iophk | Yes "mavericks" is the latest one. | Oct 29 17:10 |
| iophk | 10.9 | Oct 29 17:10 |
| sebsebseb | will it run a standard PC? | Oct 29 17:11 |
| sebsebseb | ru on | Oct 29 17:11 |
| iophk | There is "hackintosh" | Oct 29 17:11 |
| iophk | but the software is designed to inhibit running on non-Apple hardware | Oct 29 17:11 |
| iophk | cracking it is not a good thing. Most modern Linux distros are better now. | Oct 29 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: ok read the verge link | Oct 29 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | it's just a free upgrade | Oct 29 17:12 |
| iophk | A while back M$ was talking about giving away hardware and selling the OS and Apps. We'll see how that plays out. | Oct 29 17:12 |
| iophk | Yes, free 'upgrade' | Oct 29 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | to those already running Snow Leapord that's all | Oct 29 17:12 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: it doesnt' mean we can just download it | Oct 29 17:12 |
| iophk | And more recent versions | Oct 29 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | those not running OS X | Oct 29 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | and put it on a pC | Oct 29 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | it seems | Oct 29 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | ? | Oct 29 17:13 |
| iophk | No. Of course not | Oct 29 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | or does it? | Oct 29 17:13 |
| iophk | It's for OS X users. | Oct 29 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: exactlly it's jut a free upgrade | Oct 29 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | li | Oct 29 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | not them giing the OS completly away free as in price | Oct 29 17:13 |
| iophk | Only to those that have already bought an Apple machine... | Oct 29 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | yep exactly | Oct 29 17:13 |
| sebsebseb | and realy it will be like a service pack in Wndows I guess | Oct 29 17:14 |
| iophk | But the buzz does distract from some of the major problems. | Oct 29 17:14 |
| iophk | The mail app broke, the sRGB broke, | Oct 29 17:14 |
| iophk | and a few other things | Oct 29 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | what's sRGB | Oct 29 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | I don' use Mac | Oct 29 17:14 |
| iophk | the color is going to hurt graphics designers | Oct 29 17:14 |
| iophk | http://www.w3.org/Graphics/Color/sRGB.html | Oct 29 17:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.w3.org | A Standard Default Color Space for the Internet - sRGB [ http://ur1.ca/fyeu9 ] | Oct 29 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | huh? | Oct 29 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | oh the web design thing | Oct 29 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | RGB right | Oct 29 17:14 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: anyway it'sjust a free upgrade | Oct 29 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | for thoser running Mac | Oct 29 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | makes sense | Oct 29 17:15 |
| iophk | yes | Oct 29 17:15 |
| iophk | nothing more | Oct 29 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | they did't give the whole OS away as freeware | Oct 29 17:15 |
| iophk | I seem to recall reading about them giving iWorks away. | Oct 29 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | oh and with a way to easilly make it run on standard PC to | Oct 29 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | and then be like | Oct 29 17:15 |
| iophk | That is a bigger deal. | Oct 29 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | oh software own't sell so well | Oct 29 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | you canbuy our hardware | Oct 29 17:15 |
| sebsebseb | Iworks sounds vagulay fmailur, for web design or something? | Oct 29 17:16 |
| iophk | Selling closed source software was only a passing phase, I think | Oct 29 17:16 |
| sebsebseb | makes senes to have a free upgrade to latest OS | Oct 29 17:16 |
| sebsebseb | kill offf prevoius installs | Oct 29 17:16 |
| iophk | iWork has a word processor, spreadsheet and presentation graphics | Oct 29 17:16 |
| sebsebseb | oh ok | Oct 29 17:16 |
| iophk | I haven't seen it in ages but it is around | Oct 29 17:16 |
| MinceR | hypeWorks is an office suite | Oct 29 17:16 |
| iophk | MinceR is more up on it. | Oct 29 17:17 |
| MinceR | the only thing i've seen of it (without knowing that it's part of hypeWorks) is keynote, the presentation app | Oct 29 17:17 |
| sebsebseb | hypewor is that a joke | Oct 29 17:17 |
| sebsebseb | hyped up office suite | Oct 29 17:17 |
| MinceR | which is extremely crap | Oct 29 17:17 |
| MinceR | yes | Oct 29 17:17 |
| sebsebseb | Libre Office for the win | Oct 29 17:17 |
| sebsebseb | and Open Offfice kind of too since under Apache | Oct 29 17:17 |
| MinceR | you can replace the 'i' prefix in any crApple product with 'hype' to get a more accurate meaning, usually with a similar pronunciation | Oct 29 17:17 |
| sebsebseb | and there's that uhmmm well Koffice got re named to Caligra or something | Oct 29 17:17 |
| MinceR | Calligra | Oct 29 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | and there's Abiword and Gnumeric | Oct 29 17:18 |
| MinceR | there's also Gnome Office | Oct 29 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | yes Abiwrod and Gu | Oct 29 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | Gum | Oct 29 17:18 |
| MinceR | of which AbiWord and Gnumeric are components | Oct 29 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | Gnumeric | Oct 29 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | yep | Oct 29 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | GOffice is those two | Oct 29 17:18 |
| MinceR | (along with Dia, Evolution and i don't know what else) | Oct 29 17:18 |
| sebsebseb | there's also MinceR 's off suite which is aweome, and iophk 's amazing web design and coding program, both of which are sort of cross, but not for Windows and Mac OS X, only for Linux distros and BSD | Oct 29 17:19 |
| sebsebseb | they hate Microsoft and Apple too much, to port their programs over there you see | Oct 29 17:19 |
| sebsebseb | sort of cross platform aove | Oct 29 17:19 |
| MinceR | huh? | Oct 29 17:19 |
| MinceR | i have no office suite | Oct 29 17:20 |
| iophk | I thought it was technically too difficult to built apps for Windows | Oct 29 17:20 |
| iophk | also, at least in the old days, NDAs prohibited work on other platforms | Oct 29 17:20 |
| iophk | so you had to have a completely separate team if not more | Oct 29 17:20 |
| MinceR | i use LaTeX for my word processing, Beamer for presentations | Oct 29 17:20 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR ' ofice suite for LInux and BSD only and a good combo with that is iophk 's amazing web design and coding program, again LInux and BSD only | Oct 29 17:20 |
| MinceR | i have the beginnings of a design for a spreadsheet replacement | Oct 29 17:20 |
| MinceR | in my mind | Oct 29 17:20 |
| sebsebseb | they both hate Micrsooft and Apple to much to port hte over there as I alread put | Oct 29 17:20 |
| sebsebseb | Mincer 's office suite is better than Libre Office and Open Office, but hardly anone knows about it, so they are stll more popular | Oct 29 17:21 |
| sebsebseb | altough Ubuntu was thinking about replacing Open Office with MinceR 's ffice sute at one stage instead | Oct 29 17:21 |
| iophk | Nice out-of-context quote: "software is something to share" | Oct 29 17:22 |
| iophk | http://www.blinkenlights.com/classiccmp/gateswhine.html | Oct 29 17:22 |
| sebsebseb | ,but they thought Libre Ofice would be better to go for, for obvios reasons | Oct 29 17:22 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.blinkenlights.com | Bill Gates' Open Letter to Hobbyists [ http://ur1.ca/3rqok ] | Oct 29 17:22 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: what are you on? | Oct 29 17:22 |
| iophk | nitrous | Oct 29 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | as for iophk 's web design and coding program, it's better than emac,s vi, vim, and all those not that great web design programs for Linux that are commonly known, this program can also change itself into both a GUI and a command line type program running in it' own terminal, depending on what the user wants, so yeah it's awesome, but hardly known about sadly | Oct 29 17:23 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: a GUI and a terminal program, that's awesome what you made there :d | Oct 29 17:24 |
| MinceR | it's called vim | Oct 29 17:24 |
| MinceR | and gvim | Oct 29 17:24 |
| iophk | no kvim? | Oct 29 17:24 |
| sebsebseb | no no iophk 's program is better than all that | Oct 29 17:24 |
| sebsebseb | it's aweome | Oct 29 17:24 |
| MinceR | it was called something else | Oct 29 17:24 |
| MinceR | i forgot what | Oct 29 17:24 |
| iophk | M$ Silverlake : http://www.streetinsider.com/Mergers+and+Acquisitions/Dell+%28DELL%29+Go-Private+Deal+is+Complete/8820909.html | Oct 29 17:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.streetinsider.com | Dell (DELL) Go-Private Deal is Complete [ http://ur1.ca/fyexo ] | Oct 29 17:25 |
| MinceR | yzis, perhaps | Oct 29 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | so good that Steve Balmmer well MIcrooft tried to buy the rights to iophk 's program, so they could close it down, or for some strange reason port to Windows, I guess they reolised that the command prompt in Windows sucks | Oct 29 17:25 |
| sebsebseb | iophk: how much were they going to pay you again? I forgot | Oct 29 17:26 |
| sebsebseb | 50 million dollers or something crazy like that wasn't it? | Oct 29 17:27 |
| sebsebseb | ,but you still refused since so loyal to openource/freesoftware etc :) | Oct 29 17:27 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: iophk this time of year sucks dark early | Oct 29 17:28 |
| sebsebseb | and yeah | Oct 29 17:28 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395229452487368704 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395229913445584897 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395230817586520064 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395232445232316416 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395233243550978049 | Oct 29 17:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: FSF: FSF joins thousands in DC to tell NSA: "Stop Watching Us!" https://t.co/BJf3lJ9sjk #fsf | Oct 29 17:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.fsf.org | FSF joins thousands in DC to tell NSA: "Stop Watching Us!" — Free Software Foundation — working together for free software | Oct 29 17:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "NSA-free" https://t.co/e5rydj2vrX | Oct 29 17:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Noam Chomsky: How the U.S.-Mexico Border Is Cruel by Design http://t.co/JYOirkX0YC #mexico #us | Oct 29 17:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.alternet.org | Noam Chomsky: How the U.S.-Mexico Border Is Cruel by Design | Alternet | Oct 29 17:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Lessig dumps #keynote after getting pissed off at #apple http://t.co/IcIotvdi9a maybe time for #gnu #linux and #privacy | Oct 29 17:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.lessig.org | Keynote, we hardly knew you | Lessig | Oct 29 17:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Jamaica Ministry of Health adopts GNU Health http://t.co/nZtCdCKedD #health #gnu #freedom #sharing #jamaica | Oct 29 17:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> linuxmednews.com | Jamaica Ministry of Health adopts GNU Health | Oct 29 17:28 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395233655104491521 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395233655104491521 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395236035581706240 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395236894189293568 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395237572588605440 | Oct 29 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "After nine years and with billions already spent, doomed [proprietary] computer system is abandoned" http://t.co/6vbCv24Odq #nhs #uk | Oct 29 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.independent.co.uk | NHS pulls the plug on its £11bn IT system - Health News - Health & Families - The Independent | Oct 29 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "The primary difficulty of cyber security isn't technology -- it's policy." https://t.co/LbIGOwhA2a #security #privacy | Oct 29 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.schneier.com | Schneier on Security: Understanding the Threats in Cyberspace | Oct 29 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The Raspberry Pi: Is it REALLY the saviour of British computing? http://t.co/OqiAyICscZ #linux #uk | Oct 29 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.theregister.co.uk | The Raspberry Pi: Is it REALLY the saviour of British computing? • The Register | Oct 29 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: GIMP review: This free image editor is no longer a crippled alternative to Photoshop http://t.co/5ku4Y1f63M it never was... | Oct 29 17:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.extremetech.com | GIMP review: This free image editor is no longer a crippled alternative to Photoshop | ExtremeTech | Oct 29 17:30 |
| MinceR | indeed, it never was | Oct 29 17:30 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395235448593084416 | Oct 29 17:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The First Development Release of GNOME Notes 3.12 Arrives http://t.co/gNFKKIllnH #gnu #gnome #linux | Oct 29 17:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.softpedia.com | The First Development Release of GNOME Notes 3.12 Arrives | Oct 29 17:31 |
| iophk | Speaking of iWorks / Keynote | Oct 29 17:32 |
| iophk | http://www.lessig.org/2013/10/keynote-we-hardly-knew-you/ | Oct 29 17:32 |
| schestowitz_bed | I tweeted this | Oct 29 17:32 |
| schestowitz_bed | an hour ago | Oct 29 17:32 |
| iophk | yes I just saw that | Oct 29 17:32 |
| schestowitz_bed | Gore uses it also | Oct 29 17:32 |
| iophk | it ties into what MinceR was saying | Oct 29 17:32 |
| schestowitz_bed | and got ridiculed for doing about global warming little more than a Keynote presentation | Oct 29 17:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | or PowerPoint | Oct 29 17:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | some say... | Oct 29 17:33 |
| iophk | Some call everything a "Powerpoint" | Oct 29 17:33 |
| iophk | I'd say some organized people could probably pull the trademark off it. | Oct 29 17:33 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226442 | Oct 29 17:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: GIMP review: This free image editor is no longer a crippled alternative to Photoshop http://www.extremetech.com/computing/169620-gimp-review-no-longer-a-crippled-alternative-to-photoshop it never was... | Oct 29 17:34 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226442 | Oct 29 17:34 |
| schestowitz_bed | "exactly it never was!" | Oct 29 17:34 |
| schestowitz_bed | iophk: like "google' | Oct 29 17:34 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226357 | Oct 29 17:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ## [The artificial womb](http://beforeitsnews.com/science-and-technology/2013/10/the-artificial-womb-is-born-and-the-world-of-the-matrix-begins-2647320.html) | Oct 29 17:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> beforeitsnews.com | The Artificial Womb Is Born And The World of the Matrix begins | Science and Technology [ http://ur1.ca/fyf03 ] | Oct 29 17:35 |
| schestowitz_bed | "That is creepy" | Oct 29 17:35 |
| iophk | "brave new world" | Oct 29 17:37 |
| iophk | decanting new people | Oct 29 17:37 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: article mentioning how GIMp is set up diffenrety by defaut not in a frame thing, then showing stuff in framed mode | Oct 29 17:38 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: the normal mode makes it more interesting really, when not seen a program that does things like that | Oct 29 17:39 |
| sebsebseb | I guess | Oct 29 17:39 |
| sebsebseb | ,but yeah Windows and OS X users used to frame mode so | Oct 29 17:39 |
| MinceR | sebsebseb: i thought they showed the CSDI mode | Oct 29 17:39 |
| MinceR | just the toolboxes are moved above the image window | Oct 29 17:39 |
| sebsebseb | the what mode? | Oct 29 17:40 |
| MinceR | CSDI | Oct 29 17:40 |
| MinceR | the reasonable GUI, as opposed to the mess of a GUI that was modeled on photoshop | Oct 29 17:40 |
| MinceR | Controlled Single Document Interface | Oct 29 17:40 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz_bed: as fr GNOME notes uh right, but not that exciting realy | Oct 29 17:41 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://plus.google.com/109027644713767623413/posts/WRxdU56WdbN | Oct 29 18:07 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | plus.google.com | Swapnil Bhartiya - Google+ - In times like these when spying by these two countries is… [ http://ur1.ca/fyf7k ] | Oct 29 18:07 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 18:07 |
| schestowitz_bed | Some not so obvious arguments is that data retention policies can be changed at any time without the user knowing. Heafner conflates this collection with authentication services. That might not be fair now, but it could be later. | Oct 29 18:07 |
| schestowitz_bed | The main point is that the user should always be in control and have a clear way to opt out each time they search. We all expect that from free software and Canonical. Why is the company dragging it's feet on this? | Oct 29 18:07 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 18:07 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395250242893139968 | Oct 29 18:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Canonical staff bites back at article about #ubuntu #privacy but evidence supports the critics, not Canonical https://t.co/Te97ilYniv | Oct 29 18:08 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226573 | Oct 29 18:19 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical staff bites back at article about #ubuntu #privacy but evidence supports the critics, not Canonical https://plus.google.com/109027644713767623413/posts/WRxdU56WdbN | Oct 29 18:19 |
| schestowitz_bed | "The sooner Canonical and Ubuntu collapse the better." | Oct 29 18:19 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3224038 | Oct 29 18:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: CNN on those 'poor' #drone 'pilots' http://amanpour.blogs.cnn.com/2013/10/25/confessions-of-an-american-drone-warrior/ "The “video game” aspect of his job was reinforced by his trainers, he said." | Oct 29 18:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> amanpour.blogs.cnn.com | Confessions of an American drone warrior – Amanpour - CNN.com Blogs [ http://ur1.ca/fyfbj ] | Oct 29 18:20 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 18:21 |
| schestowitz_bed | GQ had a better write up. He wanted to be a hero and do good things. Perhaps the best thing he's done is to tell his story. Now he wants to be an EMT so he can take care of injured people but he will forever be haunted by the helpless people he killed from safety. | Oct 29 18:21 |
| schestowitz_bed | I understand how it's being used for propaganda purposes, but it also brings out the reality of what the US is doing so that we can oppose it. This man was responsible for more than 1,600 assassinations, basically one a day. Most people don't know that thousands of people have been killed this way. One of the people who did it is telling us it's wrong. | Oct 29 18:21 |
| schestowitz_bed | " | Oct 29 18:21 |
| schestowitz_bed | it's useful when even those who kill turn against the actions they committed. It helps show the sceptics are right. | Oct 29 18:28 |
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| iophk | peak iPhone | Oct 29 18:33 |
| iophk | http://communities-dominate.blogs.com/brands/2013/10/bloodbath-results-latest-apple-quarter-more-evidence-of-peak-iphone.html | Oct 29 18:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Bloodbath Results, Latest Apple Quarter - More evidence of Peak iPhone [ http://ur1.ca/fyfe7 ] | Oct 29 18:33 |
| iophk | http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/10/usa-freedom-act/ | Oct 29 18:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.wired.com | Legislation Unveiled to Bar NSA's Bulk Phone Metadata Collection | Threat Level | Wired.com [ http://ur1.ca/fyffe ] | Oct 29 18:37 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qIJrsAIhoEo | Oct 29 18:42 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Steve Hughes on Jobs - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fyfgy ] | Oct 29 18:42 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226420 | Oct 29 18:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "The primary difficulty of cyber security isn't technology -- it's policy." https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2013/10/understanding_t_2.html #security #privacy | Oct 29 18:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.schneier.com | Schneier on Security: Understanding the Threats in Cyberspace [ http://ur1.ca/fyfhy ] | Oct 29 18:48 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Is he still a Windows user?" | Oct 29 18:48 |
| Sosumi | moronicks is so good that it even feature memory leakeage | Oct 29 18:50 |
| Sosumi | 10.24 GB gone from a pool of 24GB in don't know what | Oct 29 18:51 |
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| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 29 18:52 |
| Sosumi | probably the NSA is offloading something into my testing machine | Oct 29 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Oct 29 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | While I was out getting my hair cut, this morbidly obese man walks in wearing overalls and smelling of animal feces, and sits right down in the chair next to mine. | Oct 29 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | I was busy trying not to throw up. So was the lady that was cutting my hair. | Oct 29 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | Finally, she was like "Would you like a shampoo?" | Oct 29 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | Why yes, yes I would. Please get me out of here. | Oct 29 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | It's like... Mein Gott in Himmel! Was hier starb!? Go to the cheap dollar store and get a bar of soap. | Oct 29 18:52 |
| Sosumi | and nop, nothing on the activity monitor either | Oct 29 18:53 |
| Sosumi | lawl what a joke | Oct 29 18:53 |
| Sosumi | caused by matlab/java runtime 6/xquartz since it was a restart and I was benching the thing | Oct 29 18:55 |
| Sosumi | but never had this happen in 10.6 (last good osx) and previous versions | Oct 29 18:56 |
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| sebsebseb | Oct 29 18:59 | |
| sebsebseb | ./join #mageia-social | Oct 29 18:59 |
| schestowitz_bed | oops | Oct 29 18:59 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz_bed: to what? | Oct 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz_bed | failure to type the command | Oct 29 19:00 |
| sebsebseb | yeah, but ah wel | Oct 29 19:00 |
| sebsebseb | l | Oct 29 19:00 |
| schestowitz_bed | unless it was intentiobal | Oct 29 19:00 |
| sebsebseb | no it wasn't | Oct 29 19:00 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz_bed: uh I am cold today | Oct 29 19:01 |
| schestowitz_bed | "The whole LAN interface is not working for me." | Oct 29 19:01 |
| schestowitz_bed | sebsebseb: flu? | Oct 29 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | I don't like it when it gets cold | Oct 29 19:01 |
| schestowitz_bed | or justa c old'? | Oct 29 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | schestowitz_bed: no | Oct 29 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | the weahter | Oct 29 19:01 |
| schestowitz_bed | ah, stay warm | Oct 29 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | it's not summer anymore | Oct 29 19:01 |
| schestowitz_bed | avoid people ;-) | Oct 29 19:01 |
| sebsebseb | yeah trying too, but not much luck today | Oct 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226573 | Oct 29 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Canonical staff bites back at article about #ubuntu #privacy but evidence supports the critics, not Canonical https://plus.google.com/109027644713767623413/posts/WRxdU56WdbN | Oct 29 19:02 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> plus.google.com | Swapnil Bhartiya - Google+ - In times like these when spying by these two countries is… [ http://ur1.ca/fyf7k ] | Oct 29 19:02 |
| sebsebseb | I am sensitive to cold it seems, I mean doesn't take much and I am feeling cold | Oct 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz_bed | "I'd rather Canonical did what's right than collapse. They can do it if they want." | Oct 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Why keep them around why not let them keep going down this road, at some point people will get wise and leave them and go back to a different distro." | Oct 29 19:02 |
| Sosumi | and opengl is almost on par on winblows, still 7 to 10 fps difference in WoW | Oct 29 19:02 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3224050 | Oct 29 19:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I feel bad for people who think that DuckDuckGo gives them #privacy while hosted on/by strong #CIA partner #Amazon http://techrights.org/2013/10/23/false-sense-of-privacy/ | Oct 29 19:03 |
| Sosumi | took 3 years for that to happen | Oct 29 19:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Apple’s Latest Bogus Claims Give False Sense of Privacy, Paint iMessage as ‘Secure’ | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fxlok ] | Oct 29 19:03 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Thanks, Roy, I've enjoyed putting those things in one place and hope it's helpful. Right now, I'm working on why people should not trust Bing and Microsoft in general. I touched on Bing's bias in my DDG write up but there is so much to Microsoft's corruption of press, universities, conferences, etc. Microsoft is an extremely subversive and dangerous force in the world. Techrights is an excellent resource when looking for source | Oct 29 19:03 |
| schestowitz_bed | documents and good interpretation.| | Oct 29 19:03 |
| schestowitz_bed | "and you are welcome LostSon. Thanks for reading and let me know if you find any problems with anything." | Oct 29 19:03 |
| Sosumi | *with | Oct 29 19:03 |
| Sosumi | iMessage isn't secure since the NSA as a direct feed into crApple's datacenters | Oct 29 19:04 |
| Sosumi | no mather how well they implemented the system | Oct 29 19:04 |
| Sosumi | court order, or not :) your data isn't safe | Oct 29 19:04 |
| Sosumi | plus iphones and those devices are know to have backdoors | Oct 29 19:05 |
| Sosumi | so what if the device sends a log of all activity, on request, to the snooping agency? | Oct 29 19:06 |
| Sosumi | bypassing all imessage framework | Oct 29 19:06 |
| Sosumi | so, if you don't know how it works | Oct 29 19:06 |
| Sosumi | it can't be trusted | Oct 29 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | That was an awful stench. | Oct 29 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | I'm still cringing from that. | Oct 29 19:09 |
| DaemonFC | How does someone walk around smelling like that? | Oct 29 19:10 |
| Sosumi | what stench? | Oct 29 19:12 |
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| DaemonFC | Sosumi: The guy that walked in while I was getting my hair cut and got the seat next to mine. | Oct 29 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | Smelled like shit. | Oct 29 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 29 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | 2 seconds ago | Oct 29 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | Jamie Zawinski is now ranting that Apple made the "move to dropbox" context menu item impossible to remove. | Oct 29 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | It's not impossible to remove. You remove OS X and then it's gone, along with the rest of the garbage. | Oct 29 19:25 |
| Sosumi | which menu? | Oct 29 19:26 |
| Sosumi | I haven't seen any dropbox around | Oct 29 19:26 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.jwz.org/blog/2013/10/fuck-dropbox/ | Oct 29 19:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.jwz.org | jwz: Fuck Dropbox. [ http://ur1.ca/fyfnu ] | Oct 29 19:26 |
| Sosumi | ho I see | Oct 29 19:27 |
| Sosumi | moronicks is bad, it grabs some things from unity and kde and changes some UI elements overhall | Oct 29 19:29 |
| Sosumi | alongside the welcome to 2010 much needed graphics improvements | Oct 29 19:30 |
| Sosumi | on another side, safari is still junk and managed to crash a couple of times and memory leaks! | Oct 29 19:30 |
| Sosumi | probably due to xquartz | Oct 29 19:31 |
| Sosumi | which is pretty much deprecated | Oct 29 19:31 |
| Sosumi | although the folks on #xquartz say it's fine and dandy | Oct 29 19:31 |
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| MinceR | jwz can't conceive of 'removing OS X' | Oct 29 19:55 |
| MinceR | he lost his mind ages ago | Oct 29 19:55 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 29 19:57 |
| Sosumi | osx died in 2010 | Oct 29 19:57 |
| MinceR | did something change in it then? | Oct 29 19:57 |
| Sosumi | apple killed the whole pro ecosystem that made it worthwhile consider osx over winblows | Oct 29 19:59 |
| *MinceR snickers | Oct 29 19:59 | |
| MinceR | "pro" in the same sentence as "apple" | Oct 29 19:59 |
| Sosumi | well... | Oct 29 19:59 |
| Sosumi | and then came lion in 2011 | Oct 29 20:00 |
| Sosumi | no updates to the macpro | Oct 29 20:00 |
| Sosumi | no xserve replacement | Oct 29 20:01 |
| Sosumi | and then the trashcan | Oct 29 20:01 |
| Sosumi | which from what I've already said here | Oct 29 20:01 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 29 20:01 |
| Sosumi | uses crippled fire pros | Oct 29 20:01 |
| Sosumi | downclocked, less ram from pc counterparts | Oct 29 20:02 |
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| Sosumi | and it's overpriced | Oct 29 20:03 |
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| DaemonFC | Apple has always had this weird thing about not wanting any fans in their system. | Oct 29 20:34 |
| DaemonFC | If you want a fast graphics card, it's going to have a fan | Oct 29 20:34 |
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| MinceR | i agree with not wanting fans in certain systems, but crApple always fucked that up | Oct 29 20:35 |
| MinceR | starting with the crApple III which melted itself | Oct 29 20:36 |
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| DaemonFC | http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/ios-apps-can-be-hijacked-to-show-fraudulent-content-and-intercept-data/ | Oct 29 20:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | iOS apps can be hijacked to show fraudulent content and intercept data | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fyfzf ] | Oct 29 20:44 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395257223720747008 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395258257486651392 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395260874983997440 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395260977719291904 | Oct 29 21:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Bloodbath Results, Latest Apple Quarter - More evidence of Peak iPhone http://t.co/9D9ivd1dD9 #linux beats #apple hype | Oct 29 21:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> communities-dominate.blogs.com | Communities Dominate Brands: Bloodbath Results, Latest Apple Quarter - More evidence of Peak iPhone | Oct 29 21:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Online #Anonymity Is Not Only for Trolls and Political Dissidents https://t.co/du6SsHfMb8 good article, just in time! | Oct 29 21:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.eff.org | Online Anonymity Is Not Only for Trolls and Political Dissidents | Electronic Frontier Foundation | Oct 29 21:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Nvidia Shield embraces Android games by the thousands http://t.co/nRCxYr9SCz #nvidia #games #linux | Oct 29 21:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> news.cnet.com | Nvidia Shield embraces Android games by the thousands | Mobile - CNET News | Oct 29 21:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Mr. Snowden scores, first major win http://t.co/ndDfcMkh3E | Oct 29 21:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.wired.com | Legislation Unveiled to Bar NSA's Bulk Phone Metadata Collection | Threat Level | Wired.com | Oct 29 21:11 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395262142662053888 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395263378736025600 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395263617278705665 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395266265218310145 | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: New #Edubuntu 13.10 review http://t.co/CDx5t28AN5 #gnu #linux #education | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> desktoplinuxreviews.com | Edubuntu 13.10 Review: Learning With Ubuntu | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: AMD Gizmo SBC gains open source bootloader http://t.co/FjcrJpFx5m #amd #sbc #freesw | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> linuxgizmos.com | AMD Gizmo SBC gains open source bootloader · LinuxGizmos.com | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Running The Latest GNOME Wayland Shell On Fedora 20 http://t.co/jbMwdUDwTf #gnome #fedora #gnu #linux | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.phoronix.com | [Phoronix] Running The Latest GNOME Wayland Shell On Fedora 20 | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Is the importance of news determined by the number of people to whom it is potentially interesting? Hint: http://t.co/HaqqZple79 | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | Ubuntu 13.10 review: The Linux OS of the future remains a year away | Ars Technica | Oct 29 21:12 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395268303603904513 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395268805230100480 | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Starting January 1st, 2014, http://t.co/s1yFA1CGuP will no longer be focused on Linux, Free & Open Source Software" http://t.co/ivzsbNWHQ1 | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> penguinpetes.com | Penguin Pete's Home | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> penguinpetes.com | Penguin Pete's Blog - It's Been Fun, Linux Community, But It's Time To Move On | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Interview: The Fedora Project's Máirín Duffy http://t.co/rZNj70yD25 #fedora #gnu #linux #redhat #art | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.montanalinux.org | Interview: The Fedora Project's Máirín Duffy | MontanaLinux.org | Oct 29 21:12 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/3226826 | Oct 29 21:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.joindiaspora.com | Interview: The Fe... [ http://ur1.ca/fyg37 ] | Oct 29 21:12 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Same here. I think - however - about giving it another try." | Oct 29 21:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | they don't seem to have addressed the issues I had with them... | Oct 29 21:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226766 | Oct 29 21:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: AMD Gizmo SBC gains open source bootloader http://linuxgizmos.com/amd-gizmo-board-gains-open-source-bootloader/ #amd #sbc #freesw | Oct 29 21:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226766 | Oct 29 21:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Fanless? love iiiit! Go to hell all of you, computer fans! [SIC!] lol" | Oct 29 21:14 |
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| Sosumi | well, phase cooling doesn't need fans | Oct 29 21:18 |
| Sosumi | http://i44.tinypic.com/25znyx0.jpg | Oct 29 21:20 |
| Sosumi | and actually, the trashcan design begs to be phase cooled | Oct 29 21:23 |
| MinceR | it begs to not be cooled. who ever heard of cooling a trashcan? :> | Oct 29 21:24 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 29 21:24 |
| Sosumi | it's the only to keep it from overheating/throtling itself | Oct 29 21:25 |
| Sosumi | while keeping the unified heatsink | Oct 29 21:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226705 | Oct 29 21:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Lets cross our fingers and hope they don't break the law... Again.." | Oct 29 21:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3226702 | Oct 29 21:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Ding Ding Ding.... We have a winner..." | Oct 29 21:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Mr. Snowden scores, first major win http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2013/10/usa-freedom-act/ | Oct 29 21:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Nvidia Shield embraces Android games by the thousands http://news.cnet.com/8301-1035_3-57609516-94/nvidia-shield-embraces-android-games-by-the-thousands/ #nvidia #games #linux | Oct 29 21:26 |
| Sosumi | I just wish nvidia sold shield outside the US | Oct 29 21:26 |
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| Sosumi | also, from my math | Oct 29 21:49 |
| Sosumi | the thing maxed may consume a max 700W | Oct 29 21:50 |
| Sosumi | since the psu can only deliver 450W max | Oct 29 21:50 |
| Sosumi | the whole machine'll be competing not just for cooling/throtling but also power | Oct 29 21:51 |
| Sosumi | fail | Oct 29 21:51 |
| Sosumi | it'll be fun to watch for sure | Oct 29 21:58 |
| Sosumi | I just hope some dupe that I know buys one | Oct 29 21:58 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 29 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | A few years ago when an ex moved out, my credit card went missing. I called the card company and cancelled it, but could never prove who did it. | Oct 29 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | I got a phone call from my credit card company yesterday that said that the card had an attempted swipe at a Walmart in Fort Wayne, and that they denied the transaction and called the police. | Oct 29 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | Guess who. | Oct 29 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | So my phone rings again a while later, and it's Scumbag calling from the Allen County jail.....get this....ASKING ME TO COME POST BAIL. | Oct 29 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | So after a good long laugh, I said "I think you just wasted your phone call." and hung up. | Oct 29 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | Made my entire day. | Oct 29 22:00 |
| Sosumi | so I can test the thing instead of having the crapple self defense force tell that it's "magical" while downplaying the facts | Oct 29 22:00 |
| Sosumi | lol | Oct 29 22:01 |
| MinceR | http://www.maximumpc.com/motorola_and_phoneblocks_kick_modular_phone_movement_project_ara2013 | Oct 29 22:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.maximumpc.com | Motorola and Phoneblocks Kick Off Modular Phone Movement with Project Ara | Maximum PC [ http://ur1.ca/fygc5 ] | Oct 29 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | Well, you can have a very powerful, very fast, very LOUD computer. | Oct 29 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | Or you can have a slow one with no fans at all. | Oct 29 22:02 |
| Sosumi | lol | Oct 29 22:02 |
| Sosumi | I can barelly hear my pc | Oct 29 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | I'm certain they crippled the FirePro cards to make a fan unnecessary. | Oct 29 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | for the Trashcan Mac | Oct 29 22:02 |
| MinceR | i suppose you could have a cluster of powerful, loud computers in the basement | Oct 29 22:02 |
| MinceR | and stream graphics from it to fanless ones | Oct 29 22:02 |
| DaemonFC | mine's not really all that loud | Oct 29 22:03 |
| MinceR | my laptops are not nearly as loud as my desktops were | Oct 29 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | the open source radeon driver has full power management support now, including fan speed | Oct 29 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | You have to turn it on with a boot option though | Oct 29 22:03 |
| MinceR | my home server is fanless | Oct 29 22:03 |
| DaemonFC | If you don't, it is very loud. | Oct 29 22:03 |
| MinceR | i've ordered a Raspberry Pi yesterday :) | Oct 29 22:04 |
| Sosumi | lolberry pie :) | Oct 29 22:04 |
| Sosumi | of those small boars the only one that got my attention was that other with the co-processor | Oct 29 22:05 |
| Sosumi | I forgot it's name | Oct 29 22:05 |
| Sosumi | :( | Oct 29 22:05 |
| Sosumi | but I think it's still a kickstarter project | Oct 29 22:05 |
| Sosumi | altera? | Oct 29 22:09 |
| Sosumi | I think that's an asic | Oct 29 22:10 |
| Sosumi | parallella!!! | Oct 29 22:14 |
| Sosumi | that's the thing | Oct 29 22:14 |
| DaemonFC | http://stallman.org/archives/2013-jul-oct.html#29_October_2013_%28British_Children%29 | Oct 29 22:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | stallman.org | 2013: July - October Political Notes - Richard Stallman [ http://ur1.ca/fygdk ] | Oct 29 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | So, Republicans and Democrats, kind of? | Oct 29 22:15 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 29 22:15 |
| MinceR | http://gawker.com/christian-science-church-looks-like-a-giant-dick-from-s-1454084292 | Oct 29 22:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | gawker.com | Christian Science Church Looks Like a Giant Dick from Space [ http://ur1.ca/fygdm ] | Oct 29 22:15 |
| Sosumi | lawl | Oct 29 22:16 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0B4suxQVUAQ | Oct 29 22:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Austin Powers - It looks like a huge ..... - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fygdp ] | Oct 29 22:16 |
| Sosumi | actually it looks like a turd | Oct 29 22:16 |
| Sosumi | but it's like I said, the only type of board that coould get my blessing is the parallella/adaptiva | Oct 29 22:20 |
| MinceR | nice | Oct 29 22:26 |
| MinceR | will they have cases for it? | Oct 29 22:26 |
| MinceR | oh, they already do | Oct 29 22:28 |
| DaemonFC | Don't say that. | Oct 29 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | Don't touch there. | Oct 29 22:31 |
| DaemonFC | Don't be nasty says the silly bear. | Oct 29 22:32 |
| DaemonFC | He's gonna tell you what's right and wrong. Sexual Harassment....Panda. | Oct 29 22:32 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 29 22:32 |
| Sosumi | cases? I was thinking in building cabinets of 20 | Oct 29 22:36 |
| Sosumi | well at least if the thing is viable | Oct 29 22:36 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 29 22:37 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Oct 29 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | a few seconds ago | Oct 29 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | Every once in a while, the government comes along and puts a fig leaf on their nasty energy policies. That's what happened with Cash For Clunkers. | Oct 29 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | It destroyed hundreds of thousands of perfectly operable used vehicles, and helped drive prices of remaining used cars up. Combined with the effect of the recession on the middle class, used car prices went absolutely nuts. | Oct 29 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | In this market, there has always been a trickle down effect, where the poor can only afford to drive a decent used vehicle because the rich and the middle class get tired of what they were driving and sell a car with more than half of its useful service life remaining, and take a bath with the depreciation. | Oct 29 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | Since credit is so tight, and wages are so stagnant, the people that were getting rid of their cars every 5-6 years are running with what they have, and by the time anything makes it into the used car market, it's pretty much finished. | Oct 29 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | I probably looked through over 1,000 vehicles in my price range before I found one that was acceptable. | Oct 29 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | In 2005, a 1995 model sedan was about $2,000. In 2013, a 1995 model sedan is about $2,000. | Oct 29 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | Sure, some of it is due to currency debauchment by a central banking system that exists to transfer wealth to a privileged few in the top 10%, but there are other factors in play here. | Oct 29 22:46 |
| DaemonFC | When the Fed is doing QE, it's debasing every dollar that exists, which theoretically makes the rich poorer too, but it dumps that new money indirectly into the stock market, which more than makes up for their losses. | Oct 29 22:48 |
| DaemonFC | Eventually, they'll let the people that own lots of stocks know when to sell, and they'll let the people who work for a living and have 401(k)s and pension plans take the entire loss. | Oct 29 22:48 |
| Sosumi | lol that's nothing | Oct 29 23:05 |
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| Sosumi | just look at the EU shoving policies down your troat that after 2020 small appliances can't go over 1600W | Oct 29 23:05 |
| Sosumi | and stuff like that | Oct 29 23:05 |
| Sosumi | or about carbon emissions | Oct 29 23:06 |
| Sosumi | trying to add the carbon tax to the circulation tax | Oct 29 23:06 |
| Sosumi | so if you have an old car, doesn't matter the real emissions | Oct 29 23:07 |
| Sosumi | it just has to be old | Oct 29 23:07 |
| Sosumi | they'll gouge | Oct 29 23:07 |
| Sosumi | you | Oct 29 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | Well, usually when the US government mandates something new, it exempts everything currently in use. | Oct 29 23:07 |
| DaemonFC | Like, you can have a 3 gallon per flush toilet in your bathroom as long as it was installed before 1993. | Oct 29 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | But it's illegal to install a new one, or take one out and install it somewhere else. | Oct 29 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | Cars that required leaded gasoline are still legal to operate. You have to pour bottled lead additive into them with each tank. | Oct 29 23:08 |
| DaemonFC | Cars that never had seatbelts don't need to have them installed. | Oct 29 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | People who drive them can't be fined for not wearing their seatbelt. | Oct 29 23:09 |
| Sosumi | yes, taht is the same here | Oct 29 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | It's not a major problem because there are so few of them left that still run. | Oct 29 23:09 |
| MinceR | 000555 < Sosumi> just look at the EU shoving policies down your troat that after 2020 small appliances can't go over 1600W | Oct 29 23:09 |
| MinceR | i wonder how that's going to cripple some of them | Oct 29 23:09 |
| DaemonFC | Well, if it's a reasonable requirement, it's one thing. | Oct 29 23:10 |
| Sosumi | well it'll take more of your time to vaccum your house | Oct 29 23:10 |
| DaemonFC | If it reduces the functionality of the device, that's something else. | Oct 29 23:10 |
| Sosumi | making you waste more energy, etc, etc | Oct 29 23:11 |
| Sosumi | and so goes the carbon emission drama | Oct 29 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | Like if they say "All new air conditioners have to use less than this much electricity." and that's easily achievable with current technology, and they won't perform any worse.... | Oct 29 23:11 |
| DaemonFC | that's fine | Oct 29 23:11 |
| Sosumi | that's called efficiency | Oct 29 23:11 |
| Sosumi | which is good | Oct 29 23:11 |
| Sosumi | but having vague resolutions | Oct 29 23:12 |
| Sosumi | like that one doesn't really help | Oct 29 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | or "all new windows you install in a dwelling have to have a certain energy efficiency rating" | Oct 29 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | They just redid my entire apartment with high efficiency windows and appliances. | Oct 29 23:12 |
| MinceR | all these restrictions make me wonder if they could have just let the market decide | Oct 29 23:12 |
| MinceR | same with lightbulbs | Oct 29 23:12 |
| DaemonFC | Low flow toilet. It actually works. | Oct 29 23:12 |
| MinceR | if the new tech is that good, surely it must win on its own, without it being forced down people's throats | Oct 29 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Well, I think that CFLs were going to dominate anyway once people noticed how much lower their electric bill would have been. | Oct 29 23:13 |
| MinceR | my toilet is way too low flow | Oct 29 23:13 |
| Sosumi | CFLs need to be disposed properly because of the mercury | Oct 29 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | There's certain places where you can't use a CFL bulb though. | Oct 29 23:14 |
| Sosumi | and not many ppl are doing that | Oct 29 23:14 |
| MinceR | it's more of 'wetting' than 'flushing' | Oct 29 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | Like for porch lights. | Oct 29 23:14 |
| DaemonFC | It gets cold outside and they just barely work. | Oct 29 23:14 |
| MinceR | also, they have crap color reproduction | Oct 29 23:14 |
| MinceR | they make certain brown objects look green, for example | Oct 29 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: I stockpiled incandescent bulbs for my porch light. | Oct 29 23:15 |
| Sosumi | I did the same | Oct 29 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | I should have enough of them to last indefinitely, even if they have to stop selling them. | Oct 29 23:15 |
| MinceR | then again, there are halogen bulbs available | Oct 29 23:15 |
| MinceR | at least for now | Oct 29 23:15 |
| Sosumi | halogen and the krypton one | Oct 29 23:15 |
| DaemonFC | Eventually, some bureaucrat will decide that you can't have halogen | Oct 29 23:16 |
| Sosumi | :( | Oct 29 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | The market works. Who wants to pay more to use incandescent bulbs everywhere in their house? | Oct 29 23:16 |
| DaemonFC | and if a person DOES want to spend $100 more each year on electricity, shouldn't they be able to? | Oct 29 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | it is their money | Oct 29 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | I'd rather have the $100. | Oct 29 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 29 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | Government mandates aren't very effective anyway. | Oct 29 23:17 |
| DaemonFC | Everyone is supposed to have car insurance, but only about 60-75% of drivers in your area do. | Oct 29 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | So they sell you extra insurance in case one of them hits you and can't pay. | Oct 29 23:18 |
| DaemonFC | and the cost of the extra insurance goes up if you live in an area with lots of uninsured drivers | Oct 29 23:19 |
| DaemonFC | So in theory, everyone is supposed to have insurance that pays the other guy if they cause the accident. | Oct 29 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | but in practice, you get to buy extra insurance because some people are irresponsible | Oct 29 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | and you're covering your own loss either way | Oct 29 23:20 |
| MinceR | here such insurance is mandatory | Oct 29 23:20 |
| MinceR | but it isn't worth shit | Oct 29 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | Well, they need to pull uninsured drivers out of their car and have them shot. | Oct 29 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | Drunks too. | Oct 29 23:20 |
| MinceR | since the government agency that's supposed to ensure that these insurance companies are reliable is sleeping at the wheel | Oct 29 23:20 |
| DaemonFC | Eventually, people would get the message. | Oct 29 23:21 |
| MinceR | and when shit breaks, they make a lot of drama | Oct 29 23:21 |
| MinceR | instead of doing their own fucking job | Oct 29 23:21 |
| MinceR | oh, and of course, the drivers who were the clients of unreliable companies get the short end of the stick | Oct 29 23:21 |
| MinceR | at this rate, it's idiotic to require it at all | Oct 29 23:21 |
| Sosumi | isohunt is back | Oct 29 23:26 |
| MinceR | yay | Oct 29 23:26 |
| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/not-even-two-weeks-after-shutdown-bittorrent-search-site-isohunt-is-back/ | Oct 29 23:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Not even two weeks after shutdown, BitTorrent search site isoHunt is back | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fygms ] | Oct 29 23:26 |
| Sosumi | http://www.hardocp.com/news/2013/10/29/cellphone_stops_bullet_fired_by_robber/ | Oct 29 23:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.hardocp.com | HARDOCP - Cellphone Stops Bullet Fired By Robber [ http://ur1.ca/fygmw ] | Oct 29 23:28 |
| Sosumi | HTC does what iPhonedon't | Oct 29 23:28 |
| MinceR | it does a lot of things that hypePhones don't | Oct 29 23:28 |
| MinceR | like properly insulate the antenna from the user | Oct 29 23:29 |
| MinceR | and run an open platform | Oct 29 23:29 |
| DaemonFC | http://rt.com/business/muslim-money-britain-bonds-907/ | Oct 29 23:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | rt.com | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/fygo2 ] | Oct 29 23:36 |
| Sosumi | actually that was a comercial | Oct 29 23:37 |
| Sosumi | during the sega genesis time | Oct 29 23:37 |
| Sosumi | Sega does what nintendon't | Oct 29 23:37 |
| DaemonFC | So I looked around for a place to go to get the haircut I wanted this morning. | Oct 29 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | The hair salons that have replaced the old barber shops want like $14.50 now for a simple men's haircut. | Oct 29 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | plus tax | Oct 29 23:38 |
| DaemonFC | I ended up grabbing a coupon out of the paper and taking it to the beauty college. $4 after tax. | Oct 29 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | I guess I'll just go there now. | Oct 29 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | Damned women's haircuts... | Oct 29 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | They up the price for men to subsidize the women. | Oct 29 23:39 |
| DaemonFC | The men tend to want something that can be done in 5-6 minutes. The women want something that takes half an hour or more. | Oct 29 23:40 |
| Sosumi | just cut it yourself :) | Oct 29 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | So instead of charging the men $8 and charging the women $30-something, they charge everyone $14.50 | Oct 29 23:40 |
| Sosumi | that's what I tend to do | Oct 29 23:40 |
| Sosumi | hitman haircut is dead easy | Oct 29 23:40 |
| DaemonFC | I got a fade cut. | Oct 29 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | I'm letting the top grow out and I had them do a #1 guard buzz cut on the sides and back. | Oct 29 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | and they blend it in | Oct 29 23:41 |
| DaemonFC | It looks a lot better than just buzzing it all off in the bathroom, which is what I had been doing. | Oct 29 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | Normally I wouldn't care, but I want to make a good impression since I'm attempting to date again. | Oct 29 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | all of a sudden, I have to care what I look like | Oct 29 23:42 |
| DaemonFC | I also stopped using aftershave and started using a facial moisturizer instead. | Oct 29 23:43 |
| Sosumi | isohunt.to is the new link but it doesn't contain a lot of torrents indexed, probably was put there byt the folks doing the backups | Oct 29 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | I'm starting to get to the point where I have to worry about looking too OLD as well. | Oct 29 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | Damn it! | Oct 29 23:43 |
| Sosumi | date... I gave up on that even before trying | Oct 29 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | I'll be 30 in a few months, which is also known as Gay Death. | Oct 29 23:43 |
| Sosumi | ouch | Oct 29 23:43 |
| DaemonFC | because it pretty much ends that era of easy anything you want | Oct 29 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | and you start coming across people who are still alone....for a reason | Oct 29 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | people like me | Oct 29 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | but I don't want people to think I'm a person like me | Oct 29 23:44 |
| DaemonFC | I want to give them a false impression and then once I have them in my trap, unleash the Horrible Truth. | Oct 29 23:45 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 29 23:45 |
| *DaemonFC rubs his hands together and smiles menacingly. | Oct 29 23:45 | |
| Sosumi | lol, everyone has skelies in their closet | Oct 29 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | Gay Marriage is unfolding rapidly in the states. | Oct 29 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | Eventually I'll be able to pull the Married Person Trap. | Oct 29 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | "I married him and then he gained 6-7 pounds every year." | Oct 29 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | "AHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!' | Oct 29 23:46 |
| Sosumi | lol | Oct 29 23:46 |
| DaemonFC | "God help me he's going bald and scratching himself in public! What have I done!?!?" | Oct 29 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | "AHHHH!!! AHHHHHH!! AHHHHH!!!!!" | Oct 29 23:47 |
| Sosumi | you've created a monster | Oct 29 23:47 |
| Sosumi | ! | Oct 29 23:47 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, well, I've managed to use some trickery and take at least 5 years off my face. | Oct 29 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | That's a good start. | Oct 29 23:49 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 29 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | I've always been told I look younger than I am anyway. | Oct 29 23:49 |
| Sosumi | I just don't bother | Oct 29 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | Someone at the movie theater even asked to see my high school ID card at one point for a movie discount. | Oct 29 23:49 |
| DaemonFC | That was a serious shot in the arm for my ego. | Oct 29 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | With any luck, by the time I look 30 I'll actually *be* 45. | Oct 29 23:50 |
| Sosumi | unix beard, sometimes in competition with one of my teachers, and typical clothing casual clothing | Oct 29 23:50 |
| Sosumi | nothing special | Oct 29 23:51 |
| MinceR | Sosumi: GNU/Linux does what Windows NT | Oct 29 23:51 |
| DaemonFC | There's like a barbell system in place for most things in life. | Oct 29 23:52 |
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| Sosumi | GNU/Linux does what Windows doN'T | Oct 29 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | It goes from perfect to utter crap really fast with almost nothing in between. | Oct 29 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | I noticed this when I was trying to think of a single thing I was ambivalent about. | Oct 29 23:52 |
| MinceR | see also: WindoesN'T Workstation | Oct 29 23:52 |
| DaemonFC | and I immediately had nothing | Oct 29 23:52 |
| Sosumi | and girls really don't care, it's all about appearence, etc | Oct 29 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | gay men are worse | Oct 29 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | much MUCH worse | Oct 29 23:53 |
| Sosumi | I don't facy dudes... | Oct 29 23:53 |
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| DaemonFC | they will chew a straight woman up and spit out her bones when it comes to standards they hold...OTHER PEOPLE to. | Oct 29 23:53 |
| Sosumi | I'm only into eastern european women :) | Oct 29 23:53 |
| DaemonFC | mail order? | Oct 29 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 29 23:55 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 29 23:55 |
| Sosumi | lawl | Oct 29 23:55 |
| Sosumi | yes | Oct 29 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | but then what will MinceR be left with? | Oct 29 23:55 |
| Sosumi | :P | Oct 29 23:55 |
| MinceR | what i find where i emigrate | Oct 29 23:55 |
| Sosumi | there are tons of eastern european women here in portugal | Oct 29 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Come here. | Oct 29 23:55 |
| DaemonFC | Join the fun. | Oct 29 23:55 |
| Sosumi | from ukrania, moldadvia, etc | Oct 29 23:55 |
| MinceR | there will be more | Oct 29 23:55 |
| MinceR | people are fleeing the train wreck that is hungary. | Oct 29 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | "Where I come from we have potatoes and radiation!" | Oct 29 23:56 |
| MinceR | :D | Oct 29 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | Oh my god, way too easy! | Oct 29 23:56 |
| DaemonFC | YES YES YES!!! | Oct 29 23:56 |
| Sosumi | and hulk right? | Oct 29 23:57 |
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| DaemonFC | I found a bottle of this hand lotion that I have to use on my hands and arms anyway in winter. It's the only thing that stops my knuckles from turning red, then cracking and bleeding. | Oct 30 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | I figured, hell, if it does for my face what it does for my hands and arms, this should turn out well. | Oct 30 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | I hate winter. | Oct 30 00:12 |
| DaemonFC | It gets stuffy in here. | Oct 30 00:12 |
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| MinceR | open the windows every now and then. :> | Oct 30 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Oct 30 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | open window | Oct 30 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | throw cat out | Oct 30 00:13 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 30 00:13 |
| DaemonFC | foul smelling beast | Oct 30 00:14 |
| MinceR | that would be surprising | Oct 30 00:14 |
| MinceR | is that cat healthy? | Oct 30 00:16 |
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| DaemonFC | yeah | Oct 30 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | but he's a stinky kitty | Oct 30 00:20 |
| DaemonFC | http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/3214/i0ke.png | Oct 30 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | He's never too far away from where I'm at. | Oct 30 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | If I get up to go to the kitchen for a glass of water, he'll follow me. | Oct 30 00:21 |
| DaemonFC | Mom said that when I was gone for a couple of weeks a few years ago, and she was taking care of the cat, he got depressed and barely ate anything. | Oct 30 00:22 |
| MinceR | strange | Oct 30 00:22 |
| MinceR | that's an unusual cat :) | Oct 30 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | I think he likes me. | Oct 30 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | That's strange, because so few living things like me. | Oct 30 00:22 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Oct 30 00:22 |
| MinceR | i mostly only have problems with humans and dogs | Oct 30 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | I've had dogs. | Oct 30 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | my last dog was an australian shepherd/beagle mix. | Oct 30 00:23 |
| DaemonFC | an Australian Beagle Shepherd for lack of a better term, I guess. | Oct 30 00:24 |
| MinceR | "Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside of a dog it's too dark to read." | Oct 30 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't been grocery shopping in almost a month now. | Oct 30 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | I keep going to a fast food restaurant every night. | Oct 30 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | bad habit | Oct 30 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | expensive habit | Oct 30 00:27 |
| MinceR | delicious habit | Oct 30 00:27 |
| DaemonFC | yeah, and a damned fine supervisor that I'm trying to pester into going on an actual date with me | Oct 30 00:28 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 30 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | I asked him if he was doing anything last Saturday. He said he works two jobs. | Oct 30 00:28 |
| DaemonFC | So I might have to keep at this for a while. | Oct 30 00:28 |
| MinceR | gn | Oct 30 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | I keep getting salads there with a side of fries. | Oct 30 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | Their salads aren't bad. | Oct 30 00:29 |
| DaemonFC | I've actually lost another few pounds too. | Oct 30 00:30 |
| DaemonFC | last night I had a chicken BLT cobb salad, fries, and then a few beers, and then I fell asleep in my recliner | Oct 30 00:31 |
| DaemonFC | now, I'm not supposed to have any alcohol with the medication I'm taking, but it just makes me incredibly drowsy | Oct 30 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | that's not a bad side effect when you're an insomniac. | Oct 30 00:32 |
| DaemonFC | MinceR: Did you hear about the dyslexic devil worshiper? | Oct 30 00:33 |
| DaemonFC | He sold his soul to Santa. | Oct 30 00:33 |
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| MinceR | :> | Oct 30 00:36 |
| MinceR | and the agnostic insomniac stays awake at night, wondering if there's a dog. | Oct 30 00:36 |
| MinceR | oops | Oct 30 00:36 |
| MinceR | also, dyslexic | Oct 30 00:37 |
| MinceR | in there somewhere | Oct 30 00:37 |
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| schestowitz_bed | " Typically this involves an underpowered system, or some kind of embedded system running Mono, and a fancy Mac or PC on the other end. " | Oct 30 01:17 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2013/Oct-29.html | Oct 30 01:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | tirania.org | Debugging Remote Mono Targets - Miguel de Icaza [ http://ur1.ca/fygyz ] | Oct 30 01:17 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3224064 | Oct 30 01:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: "Coding is automation and automation is the future. You learn to code or | Oct 30 01:25 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> blogs.telegraph.co.uk | The Government wants to teach all children how to code. Here's why it's a stupid idea – Telegraph Blogs [ http://ur1.ca/fybi2 ] | Oct 30 01:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | "They want to teach them what to code not how." | Oct 30 01:25 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3225933 | Oct 30 01:26 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I won the bid for Tux Machines, my favourite site for GNU/Linux news. I will try my best to serve its community well. | Oct 30 01:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | "I am so stoked that'smy favorite website." | Oct 30 01:26 |
| schestowitz_bed | http://uncrunched.com/2013/10/29/thoughts-on-techcrunch-disrupt/ | Oct 30 01:36 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | uncrunched.com | Thoughts On TechCrunch Disrupt | Uncrunched [ http://ur1.ca/fyh12 ] | Oct 30 01:36 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Editorial at TechCrunch seems to be completely submissive to sales. If sales wants something, it happens. Way too many sponsors on stage, for example. And the speakers are nearly constantly herded to “VIP events” that are really just sponsor events where sponsors pay to have a captive audience of well known entrepreneurs and venture capitalists. Speakers are being packaged and sold to sponsors, and they are complaining about | Oct 30 01:36 |
| schestowitz_bed | it." | Oct 30 01:36 |
| schestowitz_bed | "TechCrunch should be strong enough to withstand criticism, and I hope they understand that I give this advice out of love, not malice. In any event, I’m not going to participate in the battlefield in the future. " | Oct 30 01:38 |
| schestowitz_bed | "When’s the last time TC broke a story? Seems to be a press release service now." | Oct 30 01:39 |
| DaemonFC | I need to ask my mom to save that beauty college coupon in her newspaper. | Oct 30 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | I'm going to go back in a couple of weeks and have them touch this up. | Oct 30 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | eventually, the hair on the top will be so much longer than the sides and back, I'll only have to go about once a month. | Oct 30 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | I've had my hair done like this before. | Oct 30 02:04 |
| DaemonFC | lets you grow it out without looking unkempt | Oct 30 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz_bed: Why Mono news? | Oct 30 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder why it's even still being developed. | Oct 30 02:05 |
| DaemonFC | It's certainly not storming the world of desktop programs. | Oct 30 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | It more or less failed to advance on GNOME, now that Novell is not really backing GNOME, and Red Hat is. | Oct 30 02:06 |
| DaemonFC | It never had a single application in KDE/Qt as far as I know. | Oct 30 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | Who is using it for what these days? | Oct 30 02:07 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.infowars.com/only-debt-slavery-into-perpetuity-will-save-us/ | Oct 30 02:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infowars.com | » Only Debt Slavery Into Perpetuity Will Save Us Alex Jones' Infowars: There's a war on for your mind! [ http://ur1.ca/fyh4p ] | Oct 30 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | Keynesian economics works for a while. | Oct 30 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | It works until it doesn't work and then it really doesn't work. | Oct 30 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | Then it starts creating all kinds of problems that you didn't have before. | Oct 30 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | As brilliant as RMS is, you'd think he'd catch on. | Oct 30 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | He promotes deficit spending to increase the size of the economy. | Oct 30 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | The rich have plenty of money. Quit borrowing and tax them. | Oct 30 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | Sometimes government spending does help, but what's borrowed today has to be paid back tomorrow. | Oct 30 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | It's like saying that since I have a $10,000 limit on my credit card, that I can have a really great month, and then not speak of what happens later. | Oct 30 02:19 |
| DaemonFC | What the government is doing right now is like loading up the credit card when it has access to plenty of money to cover everything it wants to spend on. | Oct 30 02:20 |
| Sosumi | globalism has failed | Oct 30 05:44 |
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| Snowleaksange | judging by price of pair of socks? | Oct 30 06:15 |
| DaemonFC | well, you can save a buck on a pack of socks at Walmart, but a fat bunch of good that's going to do when the mortgage bill arrives and you have no job. | Oct 30 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | how much things cost only matter if you have money to spend | Oct 30 06:20 |
| DaemonFC | we're getting to the point where making stuff cheaper doesn't help sales because so many people can' | Oct 30 06:23 |
| DaemonFC | *can't afford anything at all | Oct 30 06:23 |
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| iophk | http://www.itwire.com/business-it-news/security/62085-38-million-adobe-users-hacked-not-3-million | Oct 30 07:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itwire.com | 38 million Adobe users hacked, not 3 million [ http://ur1.ca/fyiaq ] | Oct 30 07:35 |
| iophk | http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2426535,00.asp | Oct 30 07:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.pcmag.com | William Lowe, IBM PC Architect, Dead at 72 | News & Opinion | PCMag.com [ http://ur1.ca/fyibh ] | Oct 30 07:39 |
| iophk | http://torrentfreak.com/pirate-bay-founders-hacking-case-rejected-by-supreme-court-131029/ | Oct 30 07:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | torrentfreak.com | Pirate Bay Founder’s Extradition Looms After Supreme Court Rejection | TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/fyic2 ] | Oct 30 07:43 |
| iophk | http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/29/bitcoin-forgotten-currency-norway-oslo-home | Oct 30 07:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theguardian.com | Man buys $27 of bitcoin, forgets about them, finds they're now worth $886k | Technology | theguardian.com [ http://ur1.ca/fyicj ] | Oct 30 07:46 |
| iophk | However, once lost, bitcoins cannot be replaced. | Oct 30 07:47 |
| iophk | http://www.infoworld.com/t/macbooks/the-mac-the-pc-its-all-downhill-here-229677 | Oct 30 07:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | For the Mac, like the PC, it's all downhill from here | Macbooks - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fyicr ] | Oct 30 07:48 |
| MinceR | "(if you believe IDC)" "(if you believe Gartner)" -- so what if i don't believe either of them? | Oct 30 07:50 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Oct 30 09:14 |
| iophk | Interesting business plan : https://stable.mtier.org/subscriptions | Oct 30 09:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | stable.mtier.org | M:Tier · Stable packages and binpatches | Oct 30 09:57 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3228777 | Oct 30 10:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Man buys $27 of bitcoin, forgets about them, finds they're now worth $886k http://www.theguardian.com/technology/2013/oct/29/bitcoin-forgotten-currency-norway-oslo-home #bitcoin | Oct 30 10:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | "Damn! Lucky bastard!" | Oct 30 10:13 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395489391202029568 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395489784074100736 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395491013068075008 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395491160632090624 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395491812091392000 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395494495531589632 | Oct 30 10:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: For the Mac, like the PC, it's all downhill from here http://t.co/shIHC7YjOQ #gnu #linux a victor | Oct 30 10:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Man buys $27 of bitcoin, forgets about them, finds they're now worth $886k http://t.co/WBxdT7FqhH #bitcoin | Oct 30 10:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Svartholm "involvement in a breach at the Nordea bank could not be proven." http://t.co/gsYsUw04xA punished anyway | Oct 30 10:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: On buying Tux Machines http://t.co/FnB6OT3Hk9 | Oct 30 10:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Tux Machines | Oct 30 10:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Return to GNU/Linux Advocacy http://t.co/auNNMcwlDK #gnu #linux #vista8 | Oct 30 10:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Return to GNU/Linux Advocacy | Techrights | Oct 30 10:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Richard Stallman on Bank Injustices http://t.co/Ryo8VGnv75 #rms #fsf #gnu #finance | Oct 30 10:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> bytesmedia.co.uk | Bytes Media - Richard Stallman on Bank Injustices | Oct 30 10:27 |
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| schestowitz_bed | hi carlos_ | Oct 30 11:11 |
| carlos_ | Hello roy | Oct 30 11:19 |
| iophk | http://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/2013/10/29/google-plus/3296017/ | Oct 30 11:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.usatoday.com | Google's social network sees 58% jump in users [ http://ur1.ca/fyj7h ] | Oct 30 11:24 |
| iophk | That's because logging into any Google service pushes G+ | Oct 30 11:24 |
| iophk | if you make a wrong click, you get signed up. | Oct 30 11:24 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 30 11:27 |
| MinceR | plus GFail started running javascript from all sorts of domains | Oct 30 11:27 |
| MinceR | even googleanalytics.com | Oct 30 11:27 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/glynmoody/status/395511627455295488 | Oct 30 11:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @glynmoody: @schestowitz FYI I can't connect to your site at all at the moment... | Oct 30 11:35 |
| schestowitz_bed | There are some access issues; some IPs cannot reach it at certain times, still investigating this... | Oct 30 11:35 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395503714414653440 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395508092815032320 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395514076388151296 | Oct 30 11:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Copyright Monopoly Against Society: Latest Examples http://t.co/oyEWw6Bt9W #copyright #monopoly | Oct 30 11:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Copyright Monopoly Against Society: Latest Examples | Techrights | Oct 30 11:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Online Anonymity is Extremely Important http://t.co/BXJ6gJGmDR #anonymity #freespeech | Oct 30 11:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Online Anonymity is Extremely Important | Techrights | Oct 30 11:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Retribution Against Activists http://t.co/GhVEFRedML #activism #dissent | Oct 30 11:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Retribution Against Activists | Techrights | Oct 30 11:37 |
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| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395519981309681665 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395529623871967233 | Oct 30 12:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Apple is the Kingdom of Censorship, Deletes and Silences Even Its Own Fans http://t.co/lkuUQ5hjad #censorship #apple | Oct 30 12:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Apple is the Kingdom of Censorship, Deletes and Silences Even Its Own Fans | Techrights | Oct 30 12:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: British Prime Minister David Cameron Takes His War on Press Freedom Even Further, Japan Follows Suit http://t.co/RJrCu0OZAH #uk #japan | Oct 30 12:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | British Prime Minister David Cameron Takes His War on Press Freedom Even Further, Japan Follows Suit | Techrights | Oct 30 12:57 |
| schestowitz_bed | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395535202988359680 | Oct 30 12:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Richard Stallman on Bankruptcies http://t.co/bA7UU5gMLV #finance #economy | Oct 30 12:58 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> schestowitz.com | schestowitz.com » Blog Archive » Richard Stallman on Bankruptcies | Oct 30 12:58 |
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| iophk | http://falkvinge.net/2013/10/30/so-was-angela-merkel-a-terrorist-or-a-pedophile/ | Oct 30 13:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | falkvinge.net | So was Angela Merkel a terrorist or a pedophile? - Falkvinge on Infopolicy [ http://ur1.ca/fyjnp ] | Oct 30 13:05 |
| MinceR | https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-rNM6IONLA9M/Uga24RCHijI/AAAAAAABEfk/N1AowZ8Cbwo/w720-h467-no/13+-+1 | Oct 30 13:08 |
| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2013/10/man-sues-dhs-nsa-for-the-right-to-parody-them-on-mugs-t-shirts/ | Oct 30 13:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Man sues DHS, NSA for the right to parody them on mugs, T-shirts | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fyjob ] | Oct 30 13:08 |
| iophk | http://www.pcworld.com/article/2057938/microsoft-apple-is-to-blame-for-reports-of-poor-windows-battery-life.html | Oct 30 13:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.pcworld.com | Microsoft: Apple is to blame for reports of poor Windows battery life | PCWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fyjps ] | Oct 30 13:16 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395539087387414528 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395539369739964416 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395539669628497920 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395539737647517696 | Oct 30 13:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Glenn Greenwald: "Dick Cheney Engaged In Some Of The Most Radical & Criminal Conduct In The U.S.!" https://t.co/80yyq0lUyq | Oct 30 13:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | Glenn Greenwald "Dick Cheney Engaged In Some Of The Most Radical & Criminal Conduct In The U.S.!" - YouTube | Oct 30 13:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: So was Angela Merkel a terrorist or a pedophile? http://t.co/kyb8EZRNGM #merkel #nsa | Oct 30 13:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: ATM in #germany https://t.co/4fs8nKUzFb | Oct 30 13:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Man sues DHS, NSA for the right to parody them on mugs, T-shirts http://t.co/gizjdHxg2W #nhs #nsa | Oct 30 13:18 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395540693927886848 | Oct 30 13:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: micro soft, MEGA hoard http://t.co/CnvYhS75T0 | Oct 30 13:20 |
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| MinceR | http://images.cdn.bigcartel.com/bigcartel/product_images/123407067/max_h-1000+max_w-1000/CHRISTSWALLOWER.jpg | Oct 30 14:24 |
| Sosumi | intel foundries to start making arm processors to quallomm, nvidia, etc by 2014 | Oct 30 14:33 |
| Sosumi | *for | Oct 30 14:33 |
| Sosumi | and have a look at the blueprints :) | Oct 30 14:34 |
| iophk | http://www.itworld.com/hardware/380681/taiwan-protests-apple-maps-show-island-province-china | Oct 30 14:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.itworld.com | Taiwan protests Apple maps that show island as province of China | ITworld [ http://ur1.ca/fyk7e ] | Oct 30 14:37 |
| MinceR | strange | Oct 30 14:38 |
| MinceR | after they sold XScale to Marvell | Oct 30 14:38 |
| MinceR | (probably one of their dumbest moves, besides declaring from the start that IA-64 was only intended for a limited audience) | Oct 30 14:39 |
| Sosumi | well, probably they want to get taps on other's design in order to reverse engineer/copy | Oct 30 14:40 |
| Sosumi | http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanbaptiste/2013/10/29/exclusive-intel-opens-fabs-to-arm-chips/ | Oct 30 14:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.forbes.com | Exclusive: Intel Opens Fabs To ARM Chips - Forbes [ http://ur1.ca/fyk7s ] | Oct 30 14:40 |
| Sosumi | also my compaq armada m700 has finally decided to die after 15 years | Oct 30 14:41 |
| Sosumi | today it just decided that it was time to show everything fuzzy on screen | Oct 30 14:42 |
| MinceR | CRT? | Oct 30 14:42 |
| Sosumi | no laptop | Oct 30 14:42 |
| MinceR | strange | Oct 30 14:43 |
| Sosumi | yep, and it had been going strong after all these years | Oct 30 14:44 |
| Sosumi | now I'm the market for a new laptop, but things available aren't that good | Oct 30 14:59 |
| Sosumi | or solid | Oct 30 14:59 |
| Sosumi | outside the mobile workstation market, which I don't need since I don't do CAD | Oct 30 15:00 |
| Sosumi | the only nice laptops available and that aren't overpriced are the asus g series | Oct 30 15:00 |
| Sosumi | everything else either looks to finicky or tries to copy the crapbook pro | Oct 30 15:01 |
| Sosumi | including the defficient cooling | Oct 30 15:01 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | http://rt.com/news/fidel-slams-report-snowden-107/ | Oct 30 15:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | rt.com | ‘Lie & libel’! Fidel Castro slams report Cuba blocked Snowden flight — RT News [ http://ur1.ca/fyke4 ] | Oct 30 15:10 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395567079333847040 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395567385924886528 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395568193525522432 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395568920897531904 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395569413673746433 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395569534524211200 | Oct 30 15:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Hardware issues messed up #Thunderbird for me (seems like file corruption); slow at scrolling and startup, takes almost 1GB of RAM | Oct 30 15:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "First migrants and recent immigrants were rounded up from Greece's streets and forced into internment camps" http://t.co/2eWNd6GqZa | Oct 30 15:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> act.watchdog.net | Tell EU Member States: Save Greek "undesirables" from internment camps! | Oct 30 15:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Record number of nations oppose US embargo of Cuba in UN vote http://t.co/ZcZ0GNRizp #cuba #sanction | Oct 30 15:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> rt.com | NO TITLE | Oct 30 15:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: We Have Been Misled By An Erroneous Map Of The World For 500 Years http://t.co/YJstFtFKCu #africa | Oct 30 15:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.upworthy.com | We Have Been Misled By An Erroneous Map Of The World For 500 Years | Oct 30 15:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: WIntel replaces with WIn with Lin http://t.co/GmVhHxIfUD #android #linux | Oct 30 15:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Taiwan protests Apple maps that show island as province of China http://t.co/9uO2VQK2LT #taiwan #rpc #china | Oct 30 15:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3229549 | Oct 30 15:29 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: WIntel replaces with WIn with Lin http://www.forbes.com/sites/jeanbaptiste/2013/10/29/exclusive-intel-opens-fabs-to-arm-chips/ #android #linux | Oct 30 15:29 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "These ARM chips -- will they be going through the back-door-insertion line for NSA?" | Oct 30 15:29 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | The intel' community... | Oct 30 15:29 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | server rejects connections at random | Oct 30 15:31 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | something odd at techrights now | Oct 30 15:31 |
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| lirodon | nice job Mozilla, endorsing non-free video formats | Oct 30 15:42 |
| lirodon | but getting Cisco to split the bill | Oct 30 15:43 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | where? | Oct 30 15:48 |
| iophk | http://gigaom.com/2013/10/30/mozilla-will-add-h-264-to-firefox-as-cisco-makes-eleventh-hour-push-for-webrtcs-future/ | Oct 30 15:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | gigaom.com | Mozilla will add H.264 to Firefox as Cisco makes eleventh-hour push for WebRTC’s future — Tech News and Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/fykmb ] | Oct 30 15:55 |
| iophk | Firefox has also taken out the ability to stop animated GIFs | Oct 30 15:55 |
| iophk | Probably something to do with ads. | Oct 30 15:55 |
| iophk | The old firefox would stop the animation if you pressed ESC | Oct 30 15:56 |
| iophk | About the proprietary codecs, the article says "Cisco’s message to developers now is: “Don’t worry about those fees; we’ll foot the bill.”" | Oct 30 15:56 |
| iophk | Unfortunately, it is not the developers who would be paying, but the users. Patents are on usage not distribution. | Oct 30 15:57 |
| iophk | So Cisco is presenting a strawman. | Oct 30 15:57 |
| iophk | Couldn't Google and Mozilla Foundation work together and support open video? | Oct 30 15:58 |
| iophk | Together they have pretty much the whole market, at least where it counts. | Oct 30 15:58 |
| MinceR | so mozilla is next to betray the open web | Oct 30 16:04 |
| MinceR | we do not only need a new w3c, we also need a new mozilla. | Oct 30 16:04 |
| iophk | Basically. | Oct 30 16:04 |
| iophk | Mozilla also put Bong in Thunderbird | Oct 30 16:05 |
| MinceR | this is a fucked up world. | Oct 30 16:05 |
| iophk | stabbing both the users and Google | Oct 30 16:05 |
| iophk | There's an add-on to remove bong but you have to go out of your way to get it. | Oct 30 16:06 |
| iophk | I'm not quite sure how you would deploy it to a large site with 1000's of users. | Oct 30 16:06 |
| iophk | If Mozilla had wanted to make a point with Thunderbird, instead of stabbing everyone with Bong they could have swapped in DDG or Startpage | Oct 30 16:09 |
| lirodon | iophk: "bong?" | Oct 30 16:11 |
| iophk | no need to give it more marketshare by spelling it correctly | Oct 30 16:11 |
| iophk | The H.264 support is going to be in binary modules: | Oct 30 16:12 |
| iophk | https://brendaneich.com/2013/10/ciscos-h-264-good-news/ | Oct 30 16:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | brendaneich.com | Cisco’s H.264 Good News | Brendan Eich [ http://ur1.ca/fykox ] | Oct 30 16:12 |
| lirodon | “The Thunderbird default list of search engines reflects the agreements and authorizations we have with their respective owners. We do not have such agreement or authorization from Google.” | Oct 30 16:13 |
| iophk | which in all likelihood only run on certain architectures. | Oct 30 16:13 |
| lirodon | so you need authorization to link to a website | Oct 30 16:13 |
| lirodon | or is Google not paying enough. | Oct 30 16:13 |
| iophk | probably not paying enough | Oct 30 16:13 |
| iophk | but they could have made their point by going with DDG or Startpage | Oct 30 16:14 |
| iophk | there would be less damage that way | Oct 30 16:14 |
| iophk | with the codecs, blobs not only lock into specific hardware and OSes, they can easily contain malware and backdoors | Oct 30 16:14 |
| iophk | maybe that is what it is really about, putting backdoors into video playback | Oct 30 16:14 |
| MinceR | lirodon: bìng | Oct 30 16:15 |
| lirodon | I figured | Oct 30 16:15 |
| MinceR | http://www.brandinfection.com/2009/05/29/bing-means-disease-in-chinese/ | Oct 30 16:15 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.brandinfection.com | Bing Means Disease In Chinese | BRAND INFECTION [ http://ur1.ca/11kyl ] | Oct 30 16:15 |
| iophk | "Firefox will automatically download and install the appropriate binary module onto each user’s machine when needed" | Oct 30 16:15 |
| iophk | binary == tied to specific OS and architecture | Oct 30 16:16 |
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| MinceR | to avoid promoting the name, we could also spell it 病 | Oct 30 16:16 |
| iophk | fear of ARM and MIPS maybe? | Oct 30 16:17 |
| iophk | LOL | Oct 30 16:17 |
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| iophk | I don't get why Mozilla doesn't just focus on unencumbered codecs. | Oct 30 16:25 |
| iophk | It saves work and money in the long run. | Oct 30 16:25 |
| MinceR | maybe they got bribed | Oct 30 16:25 |
| iophk | Using H.264 will just fragment the web and spread content that is not open or portable. | Oct 30 16:25 |
| MinceR | or they got scared that lusers will switch to browsers that ship H.264 | Oct 30 16:26 |
| iophk | Nothing's out there in H.264 yet is there? | Oct 30 16:26 |
| iophk | So maybe bribery or other manipulation went on. | Oct 30 16:26 |
| MinceR | doesn't youtube use it a lot already? | Oct 30 16:26 |
| iophk | I though Youtube was heading towards HTML5 officially | Oct 30 16:27 |
| lirodon | HTML5 and WebM | Oct 30 16:28 |
| lirodon | or H.264 | Oct 30 16:28 |
| iophk | What are Cisco's ties to Intel? What kind of CPUs do they use nowadays in their over-priced networking gear? | Oct 30 16:29 |
| iophk | http://blogs.cisco.com/collaboration/open-source-h-264-removes-barriers-webrtc | Oct 30 16:32 |
| iophk | "We hope and believe that this step of open-sourcing our H.264 codec will enable the industry to move forward on WebRTC a" | Oct 30 16:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | blogs.cisco.com | Open-Sourced H.264 Removes Barriers to WebRTC [ http://ur1.ca/fyjxg ] | Oct 30 16:32 |
| iophk | How does a blob equate to FOSS? | Oct 30 16:32 |
| iophk | It's looking like the distribution might be restricted to Cisco. There needs to be some followup to see if regular Linux distros can package the source and their own binaries on their own repos. | Oct 30 16:34 |
| MinceR | HTML5 can use H.264, afaik | Oct 30 16:37 |
| iophk | On of the PR folk from Cisco is in the blog comments. | Oct 30 16:38 |
| iophk | " In order for Cisco to be responsible for the MPEG LA licensing royalties for the module, Cisco must provide the packaging and distribution of this code in a binary module format (think of it like a plug-in, but not using the same APIs as existing plugins), in addition to several other constraints. This gives the community the best of all worlds – a team can choose to use the source code, in which case the team is responsible for paying all ap | Oct 30 16:38 |
| MinceR | also, patent-encumbered open source is useless nonfree crap in many important markets | Oct 30 16:38 |
| iophk | It's non-free and will not be available for all architectures, according to one of her earlier comments. | Oct 30 16:39 |
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| iophk | All though, I'd like to see the limits pushed. Software patents do not apply in Europe, so European based distros could conceivably provide a version of the codec. | Oct 30 16:40 |
| iophk | A distro so good that it's banned in the US. | Oct 30 16:40 |
| MinceR | i wouldn't like to see the limits pushed on the web | Oct 30 16:40 |
| MinceR | they should get their paws off the web already | Oct 30 16:40 |
| iophk | other limits | Oct 30 16:41 |
| iophk | the web should stay open | Oct 30 16:41 |
| iophk | but this stupidity with software patents needs to end | Oct 30 16:41 |
| iophk | by hosting the codecs in the US they are applying sw patents | Oct 30 16:42 |
| iophk | if the codecs are hosted outside the US then the patents do not apply | Oct 30 16:42 |
| iophk | there were similar restrictions on munitions^Wencryption a few years back | Oct 30 16:42 |
| lirodon | p.s. Microsoft released a patch to fix that secure boot shaming "feature" | Oct 30 16:42 |
| iophk | so many things were not available from US sites. | Oct 30 16:43 |
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| iophk | lirodon: removed the watermark? | Oct 30 16:43 |
| lirodon | allegedly. though some people on WinBeta said it caused stability issues | Oct 30 16:43 |
| iophk | the OS itself causes stability issues. | Oct 30 16:44 |
| iophk | it has always been like that :> | Oct 30 16:44 |
| lirodon | http://www.winbeta.org/news/windows-81-secureboot-isnt-configured-correctly-watermark-finally-removed-hotfix | Oct 30 16:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.winbeta.org | Windows 8.1 'SecureBoot isn't configured correctly' watermark finally removed via hotfix | WinBeta [ http://ur1.ca/fykva ] | Oct 30 16:44 |
| iophk | http://xiphmont.livejournal.com/61927.html | Oct 30 16:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | xiphmont.livejournal.com | Monty Montgomery - Comments on Cisco, Mozilla, and H.264 [ http://ur1.ca/fykvj ] | Oct 30 16:46 |
| iophk | The Cisco deal makes web users more hostage to closed codecs by making them more widespread. | Oct 30 16:48 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | jono_: re http://www.jonobacon.org/2013/10/26/bad-voltage/ | Oct 30 16:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.jonobacon.org | Bad Voltage | jonobacon@home [ http://ur1.ca/fykw3 ] | Oct 30 16:50 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Bryan Lunduke is FOSS-hostile | Oct 30 16:50 |
| jono_ | schestowitz_bed2, :-) | Oct 30 16:50 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | AFAIK | Oct 30 16:50 |
| jono_ | schestowitz_bed2, I don't think he is | Oct 30 16:50 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | fair enough | Oct 30 16:50 |
| jono_ | I think he has his heart in the right place | Oct 30 16:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | but anyway, I'll be listening a bit | Oct 30 16:51 |
| jono_ | but I think he is critical of RMS | Oct 30 16:51 |
| jono_ | nice! | Oct 30 16:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | I listed to your previous show | Oct 30 16:51 |
| jono_ | schestowitz_bed2, hope you enjoy it :-) | Oct 30 16:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | before it ended | Oct 30 16:51 |
| jono_ | ahhh Shot Of Jaq? | Oct 30 16:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | yes, very critical of FSF in general | Oct 30 16:51 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | yes, | Oct 30 16:51 |
| jono_ | yep | Oct 30 16:51 |
| jono_ | I know his critical of the FSF | Oct 30 16:51 |
| jono_ | but I think he is supportive of Free Software | Oct 30 16:52 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Maybe he softened | Oct 30 16:52 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | was very rude about it some years ago | Oct 30 16:52 |
| jono_ | schestowitz_bed2, Bryan is definitely animated | Oct 30 16:55 |
| jono_ | he is not everyone's cup of tea | Oct 30 16:55 |
| jono_ | but I think he brings an interesting perspective to the show | Oct 30 16:55 |
| jono_ | we want Bad Voltage to be a bit like the Top Gear of the podcast world :-) | Oct 30 16:55 |
| jono_ | schestowitz_bed2, there is an interesting segment about FLOSS social networks on the show | Oct 30 16:55 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | there's diaspora, identica is almost defunct now | Oct 30 16:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | reddit and others are hardly foss-oriented | Oct 30 16:57 |
| msb_ | Hi folks! Regarding this Cisco H264 business, the article says Cisco will make their source code available. So why would people have to rely on binary blobs? Also, will web videos using this be downloadable by (presumably upgraded) VideoDownloadHelper? I have no interest in watching a video -- like some passive moron --that I can't download and save. | Oct 30 17:12 |
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| lirodon | msb_: you don't get Cisco's patent covenant if you compile it yourself | Oct 30 17:13 |
| msb_ | Sorry if I'm not understanding the basics here. | Oct 30 17:13 |
| lirodon | Cisco is basically paying everyone's patent fees. but only if you use their binary | Oct 30 17:14 |
| msb_ | So if I download the source and compilation instructions from some rogue website, like where we all get dvdcss, then I'm a naughty boy? | Oct 30 17:15 |
| msb_ | But in actuality nobody will give a crap? | Oct 30 17:16 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "@jonsmirl:disqus Sorry for confusion. To put things in context, Mr Shuttleworth called the larger open source community (those who opposed MIR) as the Tea Party of Open Source…" | Oct 30 17:16 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "That was a poor analogy he used. The main objection to Mir is the contributor’s agreement where you sign over rights to Canonical which lets them resell your work under closed licenses. Of course Intel, Redhat, etc were newer going to sign that hence they nixed the Mir code." | Oct 30 17:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Oct 30 17:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | Just like to point out the surveillance started long before the Tea Party existed. And since the Tea Party has very little true power in Congress they weren’t the people that approved it either. | Oct 30 17:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | The correct people to blame are the established leaders of both parties since similar operations were done when both parties were in control. | Oct 30 17:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Oct 30 17:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "Was Canonical not aware that it won’t get support from all these vendors? If not then they are too naive to be in the field. If they did know yet went ahead with it then the deliberately did it then what they wanted to achieve – create rift within the free software community?" | Oct 30 17:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | http://www.muktware.com/2013/10/ubuntus-mark-shuttleworth-wins-austrias-big-brother-award/15265 | Oct 30 17:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.muktware.com | Ubuntu's Mark Shuttleworth wins Austria's Big Brother Award | Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/fyl1j ] | Oct 30 17:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Oct 30 17:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | There were totally aware of what they are doing. All of this is centered around Canonical selling ‘Ubuntu Phone OS”. | Oct 30 17:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | http://www.indiegogo.com/projects/ubuntu-edge/x/1575657 | Oct 30 17:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.indiegogo.com | Ubuntu Edge | Indiegogo [ http://ur1.ca/eqh95 ] | Oct 30 17:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | " | Oct 30 17:17 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | "What Ubuntu did was unprecedented I don’t need to have all the files on my hard drive scanned by someone so they can offer better search results that’s is absurd. My suspension tells me that there is more to it then trying to offer better search results. I guess censoring the web is not enough for big brother they also wants to censor what is on our hard drives too using file dna software. Now I know why Ubuntu is the | Oct 30 17:18 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | official OS of China where Internet control is considered more extensive and more advanced than in any other country in the world. The governmental authorities not only block website content but also monitor the Internet access of individuals and now thanks to Ubuntu they also monitor your harddrive content. All you anti-corruption journalist of China brace yourself here comes the hard drive police" | Oct 30 17:18 |
| msb_ | OK, Roy, does this now make Ubuntu more evil than Suse? | Oct 30 17:18 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | no | Oct 30 17:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | not evil at all | Oct 30 17:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | just in need of disable by default | Oct 30 17:19 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | because users ask for it | Oct 30 17:19 |
| msb_ | It just occurred to me that if Suse/Microsoft did fund and guide the KDE4 team into producing a lousy KDE4 (as I was told), maybe that's why Suse is the only distro that still offers KDE3 -- guilty conscience, trying to make up for the damage they did. | Oct 30 17:24 |
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| lirodon | I don't think KDE 4 is that bad. | Oct 30 17:32 |
| lirodon | At least its still similar to KDE 3 in places, and they didn't re-invent the wheel like GNOME 3 did | Oct 30 17:32 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3230015 | Oct 30 17:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide, Snowden documents say http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/national-security/nsa-infiltrates-links-to-yahoo-google-data-centers-worldwide-snowden-documents-say/2013/10/30/e51d661e-4166-11e3-8b74-d89d714ca4dd_story.html avoid US Net companies | Oct 30 17:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.washingtonpost.com | NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide, Snowden documents say - The Washington Post [ http://ur1.ca/fykvb ] | Oct 30 17:45 |
| schestowitz | "Was just reading this at this point we must assume that the NSA is a hostile organisation." | Oct 30 17:45 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395606363310936064 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395606824197820416 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395607620150915072 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395608150708998145 | Oct 30 17:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Internet and Egypt https://t.co/wukxKmM5h7 | Oct 30 17:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: NSA infiltrates links to Yahoo, Google data centers worldwide, Snowden documents say http://t.co/lUpDb0dn0i avoid US Net companies | Oct 30 17:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: "Do the people of Honduras have the right to elect their own president and congress?" http://t.co/qQ4m8pgHPe No! #nsa #cia #espionage | Oct 30 17:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.counterpunch.org | Obama’s Betrayal of Honduras » CounterPunch: Tells the Facts, Names the Names | Oct 30 17:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Debt lobbying https://t.co/O5BfP10NbK | Oct 30 17:49 |
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| schestowitz | http://31.media.tumblr.com/28554fba220b9797dc1457470b6067aa/tumblr_mv540jeB4Z1rves7ho1_400.gif | Oct 30 18:07 |
| schestowitz | nj3ma: http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/337629 | Oct 30 18:08 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.digitaljournal.com | Atheists can be jailed in Kentucky for not acknowledging God [ http://ur1.ca/fyld6 ] | Oct 30 18:08 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: for you that was | Oct 30 18:08 |
| schestowitz | bible belt | Oct 30 18:08 |
| schestowitz | do they call it a belt because you get whipped for not believing? | Oct 30 18:09 |
| schestowitz | http://img9.joyreactor.com/pics/post/adulthood-929379.jpeg | Oct 30 18:09 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395611699845533696 | Oct 30 18:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: 'Glamour' http://t.co/LmtsMYtxCB | Oct 30 18:10 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | Photoshop makes anything possible - YouTube | Oct 30 18:10 |
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| lirodon | No, its wrong. | Oct 30 18:46 |
| lirodon | The law says that their department of security has to post a plaque crediting "almighty god" for their commonwealth's safety/security | Oct 30 18:46 |
| msb_ | lirodon: For me, the KDE4 devs reinvented (and messed up) the UI to the point where it's unpleasant to use. But the main problem is that in the virtual-desktop-pager (switcher) applet, you can't see the names of the desktops in the pager buttons, as they are obscured by unremovable window outline rectangles (for all the windows in each desktop). | Oct 30 18:55 |
| msb_ | lirodon: Virtual desktops are one of my favorite features -- I use all 20 of them. So this is a show-stopper for me for KDE4. | Oct 30 18:56 |
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| MinceR | schestowitz: outrageous | Oct 30 19:02 |
| msb_ | lirodon: Fortunately these folks have forked KDE3, and provide versions for various distros: http://www.trinitydesktop.org/ | Oct 30 19:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.trinitydesktop.org | Trinity Desktop Environment | Oct 30 19:03 |
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| msb_ | However, they refuse to adopt Carrie-Anne Moss as their avatar. | Oct 30 19:06 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 30 19:07 |
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| Snowleaksange | omfg the NSA spied TOO much | Oct 30 19:46 |
| schestowitz | nice name | Oct 30 20:13 |
| schestowitz | Just watched the 'black' version of Karate Kid (2010, Will Smith's son), not so bad the acting... but lots of stereotypes in this BS film | Oct 30 20:14 |
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| MinceR | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDfMBd7FyZU | Oct 30 20:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Bad Religion - New dark ages (video) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fyma6 ] | Oct 30 20:33 |
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| msb_ | MinceR: Wow, that New Dark Ages video is great! But while the flashplayer is showing 480p, the best I can get with VideoDownloadHelper is 360p. The 480p download has no sound. | Oct 30 21:01 |
| MinceR | strange | Oct 30 21:01 |
| msb_ | It's been like that for a few months now. | Oct 30 21:01 |
| msb_ | I guess I can combine the sound from the 360p and the video from the 480p using mencoder. | Oct 30 21:02 |
| MinceR | http://i.imgur.com/ZghUJQX.jpg | Oct 30 21:05 |
| msb_ | This morning I checked my Fish With Black Bean Sauce takeout with a geiger counter. It was normal. But I don't know which ocean the fish came from. | Oct 30 21:05 |
| MinceR | are you sure they came from an ocean, though? | Oct 30 21:06 |
| msb_ | As the Antichrist, I think he understood it all too well. | Oct 30 21:06 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 30 21:06 |
| MinceR | i thought he was the Ant-Christ, not the Antichrist | Oct 30 21:07 |
| msb_ | Where else? Aren't fish farms in the ocean, just demarcated by nets? | Oct 30 21:07 |
| MinceR | i don't know | Oct 30 21:08 |
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| msb_ | I think people have tried bug spray on him, but it didn't do anything. | Oct 30 21:09 |
| msb_ | I think the fish is cod, but it lives in both oceans. | Oct 30 21:10 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 30 21:10 |
| msb_ | Maybe I'll take the GM to costco and run it over all the different fish. | Oct 30 21:11 |
| MinceR | do they allow cars in there? :> | Oct 30 21:11 |
| msb_ | gamma will certainly come thru the plastic wrap, don't know about alpha and beta | Oct 30 21:12 |
| MinceR | i think it will stop alpha but not beta | Oct 30 21:12 |
| MinceR | though beta might depend on how thick the wrap is | Oct 30 21:12 |
| msb_ | dunno, but when I asked if they serve crabs there they said, "We serve everybody, what would you like?" | Oct 30 21:13 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 30 21:14 |
| msb_ | These air radiation readings look normal, as does mine, 60 miles S of San Francisco http://www.radiationnetwork.com/ | Oct 30 21:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.radiationnetwork.com | Radiation Network | Oct 30 21:16 |
| Sosumi | http://hothardware.com/News/Google-Nexus-5-Posts-Best-Gaming-Benchmark-Among-Android-Smartphones/ | Oct 30 21:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | hothardware.com | Google Nexus 5 Posts Best Gaming Benchmark Among Android Smartphones - HotHardware [ http://ur1.ca/fymn2 ] | Oct 30 21:27 |
| Sosumi | http://rt.com/usa/nsa-secretly-access-yahoo-google-982/ | Oct 30 21:34 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | rt.com | NO TITLE [ http://ur1.ca/fymox ] | Oct 30 21:34 |
| Sosumi | yay like if that wasn't already known | Oct 30 21:34 |
| Sosumi | br00liant idea = join an intelligence agency or make a private intelligence company | Oct 30 21:36 |
| Sosumi | top gordon gecko as mr insider trader | Oct 30 21:36 |
| Sosumi | = profit | Oct 30 21:36 |
| Sosumi | and I'll finally be able to buy the DBS I've always been lusting for | Oct 30 21:36 |
| MinceR | DBS? | Oct 30 21:37 |
| Sosumi | aston martin dbs | Oct 30 21:37 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 30 21:37 |
| Sosumi | http://www.hardocp.com/news/2013/10/30/ultimate_ps4_faq/ | Oct 30 21:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.hardocp.com | HARDOCP - The Ultimate PS4 FAQ [ http://ur1.ca/fymq3 ] | Oct 30 21:40 |
| Sosumi | no blu-ray/dvd playback | Oct 30 21:40 |
| Sosumi | must pay for the pesky licence | Oct 30 21:41 |
| Sosumi | I can play blu rays/dvds on vlc | Oct 30 21:41 |
| Sosumi | why not incoporate vlc components into the ps4 OS? | Oct 30 21:41 |
| Sosumi | $ony, lawl | Oct 30 21:42 |
| Sosumi | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/lian-li-pc-d600-dual-compartment-eatx,24263.html | Oct 30 21:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tomshardware.com | Lian Li Launches the PC-D600 Dual-Compartment Case [ http://ur1.ca/fymsp ] | Oct 30 21:51 |
| Sosumi | puts the trashcan pro to shame | Oct 30 21:51 |
| MinceR | no surprise there | Oct 30 21:52 |
| Sosumi | would make a nice server with that | Oct 30 21:53 |
| Sosumi | compute nodes usually require 2 PSUs | Oct 30 21:53 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: nice redesign roy | Oct 30 22:16 |
| Sosumi | also, this halloween, don't dress your children in cowboy costumes and give them a toy gun | Oct 30 22:19 |
| Sosumi | they may be misunderstood as one of those freedom hating terrorists | Oct 30 22:19 |
| Sosumi | and shot down | Oct 30 22:19 |
| Sosumi | *be | Oct 30 22:19 |
| XFaCE | Sosumi: nice apple-nick reference there | Oct 30 22:20 |
| Sosumi | and it's registed :) | Oct 30 22:20 |
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| XFaCE | right on /thumb^ | Oct 30 22:20 |
| Sosumi | also, all my macs run rhel now, I guess crApple can go on and sue me now for foilling their planned obsulescence plans for the mac pro and xserve | Oct 30 22:24 |
| *MinceR has no macs | Oct 30 22:25 | |
| Sosumi | MinceR has tank instead, which lets him go to the mac store and free all those chained/locked in macs | Oct 30 22:26 |
| MinceR | i wish | Oct 30 22:26 |
| MinceR | i also wish i could afford to fuel it | Oct 30 22:26 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 30 22:27 |
| Sosumi | maybe if you dressed as a syrian *cough* rebel and made a cardboard tank... | Oct 30 22:28 |
| Sosumi | Obozo'd swap that for a real tank and give you plenty of fuel | Oct 30 22:29 |
| MinceR | i'm too far from syria for that to work | Oct 30 22:30 |
| MinceR | and i think i'll keep it that way | Oct 30 22:30 |
| Sosumi | yeah you better stay :) | Oct 30 22:31 |
| Sosumi | there are way to many folks involved there, including PMCs which it's only business is war | Oct 30 22:31 |
| MinceR | gn | Oct 30 23:05 |
| MinceR | http://www.pleated-jeans.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/10/funny-middle-yeast-war-cartoon-1.jpg | Oct 30 23:11 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395716299059650560 | Oct 31 01:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Oppressor https://t.co/Bu6J6LVNXt | Oct 31 01:12 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: thanks | Oct 31 01:12 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3230051 | Oct 31 01:17 |
| schestowitz | "Weeeeeeee" | Oct 31 01:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: Awesome | Oct 31 01:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> 500px.com | 500px / nordin seruyan / Photos | Oct 31 01:17 |
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| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3229212 | Oct 31 01:23 |
| schestowitz | "Nuclear armed terrorist, of course." | Oct 31 01:23 |
| schestowitz | "But I'd suggest digging around her back yard, just to be sure. ;-)" | Oct 31 01:23 |
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| TechrightsBot-tr | Hello World! I'm TechrightsBot-tr running phIRCe v0.71 | Oct 31 01:26 |
| schestowitz | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3230101 | Oct 31 01:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: 'Glamour' http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhUj4JlB-Xs | Oct 31 01:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.youtube.com | Photoshop makes anything possible - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fyo5n ] | Oct 31 01:32 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 31 01:33 |
| schestowitz | OK, you can call that kind of editing "Photoshop". | Oct 31 01:33 |
| schestowitz | http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Photoshop | Oct 31 01:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.gnu.org | Words to Avoid (or Use with Care) Because They Are Loaded or Confusing - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/fyo5x ] | Oct 31 01:33 |
| schestowitz | Last weekend, my daughter and I ran across a discarded CK display pedestal in an alley. The white plastic was slick, even in daylight but most of the posters had been removed and it lacked the magic it might have had complete and in careful lighting. There was a woman on the remaining poster, and an arm covered in gold bangles. The woman's face was really distorted, especially her forehead, and it was disturbing if you looked at if for | Oct 31 01:33 |
| schestowitz | more than a second or two. We've mostly sheltered her from mall type stuff but I'm glad she saw that. | Oct 31 01:33 |
| schestowitz | I'm going to show her this. Thanks for sharing. | Oct 31 01:33 |
| schestowitz | " | Oct 31 01:33 |
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| schestowitz | My mother showed this to me. Her comment was (or someone who commented on it), this is why many young girls starve themselves to death. There should be a warning on glossy pages, something like CG caution, along the same line as smoking warning labels. When my wife shows me some so-called 'models' or celebs I always say to her, let's see what she really looks like and then we go digging Google Images for images of the same person | Oct 31 01:36 |
| schestowitz | without glamour, makeup, poses, etc. Helps evade unrealistic expectations. | Oct 31 01:36 |
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| schestowitz | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Lech_Johanse | Oct 31 02:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | ( status 404 @ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jon_Lech_Johanse ) | Oct 31 02:27 |
| schestowitz | "He is most famous for his involvement in the release of the DeCSS software, which decodes the content-scrambling system used for DVD licensing enforcement. Jon is a self-trained software engineer, who quit high school at the first year to spend more time with the DeCSS case. He moved to the United States and worked as a software engineer in October 2005 until November 2006. He then moved to Norway but moved back to the United States | Oct 31 02:27 |
| schestowitz | in June 2007" | Oct 31 02:27 |
| schestowitz | 'About his reverse engineering skills, in a post on his blog he said that in the '90s he started with a book ("Programming the 8086 8088"), the web ("Fravia's site was a goldmine") and IRC ("Lurked in a x86 assembly IRC channel and picked up tips from wise wizards.")[2]" | Oct 31 02:27 |
| schestowitz | "In November 2003, Johansen released QTFairUse, an open source program which dumps the raw output of a QuickTime Advanced Audio Coding (AAC) stream to a file, which could bypass the Digital Rights Management (DRM) software used to encrypt content of music from media such as those distributed by the iTunes Music Store, Apple Computer's online music store. Although these resulting raw AAC files were unplayable by most media players at | Oct 31 02:28 |
| schestowitz | the time of release, they represent the first attempt at circumventing Apple's encryption." | Oct 31 02:28 |
| schestowitz | "In November 2005, a Slashdot story notes[10] that Sony-BMGs XCP DRM software includes code and comments (such as "copyright (c) Apple Computer, Inc. All Rights Reserved."[11]) illegally copied from an iTunes DRM circumvention program by Jon Lech Johansen. A popular claim was that, using the criteria that RIAA uses in its copyright lawsuits, Johansen could sue for billions of dollars in damages.[10]" | Oct 31 02:28 |
| schestowitz | he had been off the radar for 4 years now | Oct 31 02:29 |
| schestowitz | http://nanocr.eu/ | Oct 31 02:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | nanocr.eu | Jon Lech Johansen's blog | Oct 31 02:30 |
| schestowitz | He hardly blogs, either | Oct 31 02:31 |
| schestowitz | maybe once a year | Oct 31 02:31 |
| schestowitz | still uses same photo as in 2005 http://nanocr.eu/about/ | Oct 31 02:32 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | nanocr.eu | Jon Lech Johansen's blog | Oct 31 02:32 |
| schestowitz | "1998: Installed GNU/Linux for the first time: RedHat 5.0 (still have the CD)" | Oct 31 02:32 |
| schestowitz | Says GNU | Oct 31 02:32 |
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| schestowitz | No update since 'June 2007: Moved back to San Francisco and co-founded doubleTwist Corporation (not related to DoubleTwist Ventures LLC).' | Oct 31 02:33 |
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| XFaCE | "BEFORE changing the headline, one of Britain’s worst papers, known as the Daily Mail," | Oct 31 03:32 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: Have you watched potholer54 videos? | Oct 31 03:32 |
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| Sosumi | I've always said that $ony could do no evil | Oct 31 06:13 |
| Sosumi | until they did | Oct 31 06:13 |
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| Sosumi | ps4 stripped out of cd/mp3 capability for $ony's own itunes store | Oct 31 06:13 |
| Sosumi | no kb/mouse support, no external drive support, must pay an one time fee to play dvd/bluray | Oct 31 06:14 |
| Sosumi | remote play with the psp 2 is also being spinned down now, as it may not work that well, | Oct 31 06:15 |
| Sosumi | and a couple of ps3 games can be "upgraded" to play on the ps4, but is if you pay $9.90 | Oct 31 06:17 |
| Sosumi | awesome, my wallet is ready | Oct 31 06:18 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Oct 31 08:46 |
| amarsh04 | good $timeofday | Oct 31 08:55 |
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| iophk | http://www.muktware.com/2013/10/kolab-turns-switzerland-refugee-camp-want-escape-nsa/15340 | Oct 31 09:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.muktware.com | Kolab creates a privacy refugee camp in Switzerland | Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/fyqmj ] | Oct 31 09:49 |
| iophk | http://www.theinquirer.net/inquirer/news/2303959/nokia-wins-patent-case-against-htc-in-the-uk-will-seek-htc-one-ban | Oct 31 10:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.theinquirer.net | Nokia wins patent case against HTC in the UK, will seek HTC One ban- The Inquirer [ http://ur1.ca/fyqom ] | Oct 31 10:00 |
| iophk | http://www.techhive.com/article/2059760/some-teens-may-indeed-be-antifacebook.html | Oct 31 10:09 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.techhive.com | Some teens may indeed be anti-Facebook | TechHive [ http://ur1.ca/fyqqi ] | Oct 31 10:09 |
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| schestowitz | MinceR: is memegenerator workinf doe yoyu? | Oct 31 11:33 |
| schestowitz | All the meme images time out | Oct 31 11:33 |
| MinceR | haven't tried | Oct 31 11:33 |
| schestowitz | like their backend engine is kapiut | Oct 31 11:33 |
| schestowitz | e.g. http://memegenerator.net/instance/42601252 | Oct 31 11:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | memegenerator.net | And then I told them Google was secure! | obama laughing | Meme Generator [ http://ur1.ca/fyr5e ] | Oct 31 11:33 |
| schestowitz | I made this request, can't download it | Oct 31 11:33 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: does an image come at the top for you? | Oct 31 11:40 |
| MinceR | nope | Oct 31 11:43 |
| MinceR | none of them load | Oct 31 11:43 |
| MinceR | server doesn't respond | Oct 31 11:45 |
| MinceR | (cdn.meme.li, that is) | Oct 31 11:45 |
| schestowitz | ;-( | Oct 31 11:53 |
| MinceR | something loaded | Oct 31 11:53 |
| schestowitz | I'll retry later | Oct 31 11:53 |
| schestowitz | http://www.sxc.hu seems to be down as well | Oct 31 11:55 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.sxc.hu | The Leading Source Of Free Stock Photos - stock.xchng | Oct 31 11:55 |
| schestowitz | or not... | Oct 31 11:56 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 11:56 |
| schestowitz | test http://www.sxc.hu/browse.phtml?f=search&txt=fraud&w=1&x=0&y=0 | Oct 31 11:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.sxc.hu | Fraud Stock Photos - stock.xchng [ http://ur1.ca/fyr97 ] | Oct 31 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Doesn'\t load fully | Oct 31 11:56 |
| schestowitz | Sort of hanging half way through | Oct 31 11:56 |
| schestowitz | starts to load now, some photos at meme generator | Oct 31 12:12 |
| schestowitz | http://memegenerator.net/instance/42601252 | Oct 31 12:12 |
| MinceR | btw imgur has a meme generator too | Oct 31 12:20 |
| iophk | http://arstechnica.com/business/2013/10/silent-circle-and-lavabit-launch-darkmail-alliance-to-thwart-e-mail-spying/ | Oct 31 13:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Silent Circle and Lavabit launch “DarkMail Alliance” to thwart e-mail spying | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fyrkh ] | Oct 31 13:03 |
| iophk | They plan to use XMPP instead of SMTP | Oct 31 13:04 |
| iophk | it will be interesting to see more of the plan. | Oct 31 13:04 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 31 13:04 |
| iophk | M$ killed SMTP a while ago with all that Windows bot-net generated spam. | Oct 31 13:06 |
| iophk | Most executives making decisions about tech have probably never experienced the spam-free net. | Oct 31 13:06 |
| iophk | Very little resources seem to have been spent going after the two sources of spam: Windows and those that hire spammers | Oct 31 13:10 |
| iophk | the former would be politically difficult even if high-payoff. The latter would be much easier and just a matter of following the money trail. | Oct 31 13:10 |
| iophk | It would require some funding though. | Oct 31 13:10 |
| iophk | Contrast the Ars article with this spam: https://www.computerworld.com.au/article/530582/silent_circle_lavabit_unite_dark_mail_encrypted_email_project/ | Oct 31 13:12 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.computerworld.com.au | Silent Circle, Lavabit unite for 'Dark Mail' encrypted email project - Silent Circle, applications, Lavabit, e-mail, software - Computerworld [ http://ur1.ca/fyrls ] | Oct 31 13:12 |
| iophk | The corruption is now transparent: https://www.networkworld.com/news/2013/103013-tom-wheeler-confirmed-as-new-275398.html | Oct 31 13:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.networkworld.com | Tom Wheeler confirmed as new chief of US FCC - Network World [ http://ur1.ca/fyrm7 ] | Oct 31 13:13 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395847607597408256 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395856444391972864 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395867329932066816 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395886336894566401 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395903781361422336 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395906976808714242 | Oct 31 13:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Richard Stallman on Banks and Foreclosures http://t.co/XeDEaaVyqB ]fixed DNS issue the site had yesterday] #techrights | Oct 31 13:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Richard Stallman on Banks and Foreclosures | Techrights | Oct 31 13:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Disregard For Users’ Privacy Still Haunts Canonical Founder Mark Shuttleworth http://t.co/MlnSE9QbdN #ubuntu #canonical #privacy | Oct 31 13:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Disregard For Users’ Privacy Still Haunts Canonical Founder Mark Shuttleworth | Techrights | Oct 31 13:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: The Fourth Estate (Media) Absolutely Vital for Bringing/Restoring Justice http://t.co/BkoBJxNxlg #journalism #truth #privacy #wikileaks | Oct 31 13:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | The Fourth Estate (Media) Absolutely Vital for Bringing/Restoring Justice | Techrights | Oct 31 13:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: GNU/Linux Efficiency Helps the Environment http://t.co/oVXNcF5MQf #energy #environment #gnu #linux | Oct 31 13:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | GNU/Linux Efficiency Helps the Environment | Techrights | Oct 31 13:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Back Door (Automatic Update) in WordPress and What It Means to Techrights http://t.co/kdNmbi8AG1 #wordpress #security #nsa | Oct 31 13:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Back Door (Automatic Update) in WordPress and What It Means to Techrights | Techrights | Oct 31 13:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Google and Other Internet Giants Lied Because the NSA Gets Data Without Subpoena or Even a Warrant http://t.co/MueKflD9Pk #google #yahoo | Oct 31 13:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Google and Other Internet Giants Lied Because the NSA Gets Data Without Subpoena or Even a Warrant | Techrights | Oct 31 13:37 |
| iophk | http://www.usatoday.com/story/cybertruth/2013/10/30/how-snowden-is-returning-privacy-to-a-social-norm/3318559/ | Oct 31 14:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.usatoday.com | How Snowden is returning privacy to a social norm [ http://ur1.ca/fyrue ] | Oct 31 14:04 |
| iophk | A little old - http://dot.kde.org/2013/10/02/ezgo-free-and-open-source-software-taiwans-schools | Oct 31 14:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | dot.kde.org | ezgo - Free And Open Source Software In Taiwan's Schools | KDE.news [ http://ur1.ca/fyrwv ] | Oct 31 14:24 |
| iophk | https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/community/osor/news/germanys-security-experts-rate-open-source-website-systems | Oct 31 14:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | joinup.ec.europa.eu | Germany's security experts rate open source website systems | Joinup [ http://ur1.ca/fyrxq ] | Oct 31 14:28 |
| iophk | http://money.cnn.com/2013/10/30/technology/social/facebook-earnings/ | Oct 31 14:30 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | money.cnn.com | Facebook soars after solidly beating Wall Street forecasts - Oct. 30, 2013 [ http://ur1.ca/fyry7 ] | Oct 31 14:30 |
| schestowitz | spying reigns | Oct 31 14:30 |
| iophk | funny but the objection to social networks back in the 90's was that they were to invasive of privacy. | Oct 31 14:31 |
| iophk | How did judgment get thrown out so solidly since then? | Oct 31 14:31 |
| iophk | to->too | Oct 31 14:31 |
| schestowitz | [13:06] <iophk> M$ killed SMTP a while ago with all that Windows bot-net generated spam. | Oct 31 14:38 |
| schestowitz | LOL | Oct 31 14:38 |
| iophk | We saw it happen... | Oct 31 14:39 |
| schestowitz | I don't use my ISP's SMTP server | Oct 31 14:39 |
| schestowitz | I use my own with auth | Oct 31 14:39 |
| schestowitz | and with TLS/SSL | Oct 31 14:39 |
| schestowitz | plus PGP where possible | Oct 31 14:39 |
| schestowitz | x` | Oct 31 14:40 |
| schestowitz | XFaCE: I watched almost every video in potholer and his other channel potholdedebunks | Oct 31 14:40 |
| schestowitz | He's one of my favs | Oct 31 14:40 |
| schestowitz | Peter hatfield I think his name was | Oct 31 14:40 |
| XFaCE | hadfield | Oct 31 14:42 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz: he chastises Daily Mail all the time | Oct 31 14:42 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395924456650334208 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395923627931340800 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395922565996503040 | Oct 31 14:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Some teens may indeed be anti-Facebook http://t.co/4k9j7EDuT0 #facebook | Oct 31 14:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.techhive.com | Some teens may indeed be anti-Facebook | TechHive | Oct 31 14:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Kolab creates a privacy refugee camp in Switzerland http://t.co/sSgI0ZHHL9 #kolab #privacy | Oct 31 14:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.muktware.com | Kolab creates a privacy refugee camp in Switzerland | Muktware | Oct 31 14:46 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Corruption: "former investor and head of telecommunications industry groups" becomes their 'regulator' https://t.co/7NEFYuGUKt | Oct 31 14:46 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395922316313767936 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395921940323762176 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395921730163978240 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395921087500156928 | Oct 31 14:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Germany's security experts rate open source website systems https://t.co/PQ61fomNRM #germany #cms #freedom #sharing | Oct 31 14:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Can Snowden revert privacy to a social norm? http://t.co/aphniQgRYL #privacy #snowden | Oct 31 14:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Silent Circle and #Lavabit launch “DarkMail Alliance” to thwart #email #spying http://t.co/1Q33BoWz0R https://t.co/wsRy9qzLQD | Oct 31 14:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> arstechnica.com | Silent Circle and Lavabit launch “DarkMail Alliance” to thwart e-mail spying | Ars Technica | Oct 31 14:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.computerworld.com.au | Silent Circle, Lavabit unite for 'Dark Mail' encrypted email project - Silent Circle, applications, Lavabit, e-mail, software - Computerworld | Oct 31 14:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: In #facebook "young teens are losing interest in" http://t.co/BmV11bC4jq | Oct 31 14:47 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/395913990775508992 | Oct 31 14:47 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Last night I watched the 2010 remake of Karate Kid. It taught me that the Chinese are dumb and violent. Typical #hollywood slant. | Oct 31 14:47 |
| iophk | The Collusion plug-in for Firefox is apparently now named Lightbeam and is considered out of beta. | Oct 31 14:55 |
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| lirodon | So in your opinion, anything with automatic updates is a security threat and should be avoided? | Oct 31 15:02 |
| Sosumi | what if an intelligence agency is using some vulnerability in the software to push a blob that gives them access to your computer | Oct 31 15:35 |
| Sosumi | so automatic updates are a liability | Oct 31 15:35 |
| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/security/2013/10/meet-badbios-the-mysterious-mac-and-pc-malware-that-jumps-airgaps/ | Oct 31 15:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | arstechnica.com | Meet “badBIOS,” the mysterious Mac and PC malware that jumps airgaps | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/fys2h ] | Oct 31 15:43 |
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| iophk | http://www.nytimes.com/2013/11/03/magazine/why-apple-wants-to-bust-your-iphone.html | Oct 31 16:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/fyskw ] | Oct 31 16:50 |
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| MinceR | updates should be subject to approval by the user | Oct 31 17:20 |
| MinceR | also, m$ is not trustworthy in anything, including code | Oct 31 17:20 |
| iophk | MinceR: M$ trustworthiness has been the elephant in the room | Oct 31 17:21 |
| iophk | not even Schneier has brought it up | Oct 31 17:21 |
| MinceR | also, this is my view, and does not necessarily represent that of techrights | Oct 31 17:21 |
| MinceR | iophk: indeed | Oct 31 17:21 |
| iophk | it was one of the first in PRISM | Oct 31 17:21 |
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| Sosumi | I read a paper a while ago about exploiting auto update in itunes to push gov malware into the computer | Oct 31 17:50 |
| Sosumi | nothing to do with apple knowingly leaving vulnerabilities unpatched for years so that instelligence agencies could hack in | Oct 31 17:52 |
| Sosumi | by exploiting, again, itunes | Oct 31 17:52 |
| Sosumi | or should I say phonyTunes | Oct 31 17:53 |
| Sosumi | because that thing is filled with crap | Oct 31 17:53 |
| Sosumi | it doesn't even feature Ronnie Dio's full discography | Oct 31 17:53 |
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| Sosumi | LG G2 is finally on sale here in PT, no word of the nexus 5 yet | Oct 31 17:56 |
| iophk | Any FirefoxOS phones yet? | Oct 31 18:13 |
| Sosumi | nop nothing available here with firefox OS pre-instaled | Oct 31 18:14 |
| MinceR | there are several out for sale, afaik... but not in hungaristan. | Oct 31 18:14 |
| iophk | Would it make sense to buy other hardware and then install FirefoxOS instead of Cyanogenmod? | Oct 31 18:15 |
| Sosumi | I'd stick to nexus series for that | Oct 31 18:16 |
| MinceR | hm, maybe they were merely announced | Oct 31 18:17 |
| Sosumi | just wait, but for firmware modding nexus is the way to go | Oct 31 18:17 |
| Sosumi | because they're much cheaper | Oct 31 18:17 |
| MinceR | amazon.com lists ZTE Open and Alcatel One Touch Fire | Oct 31 18:17 |
| Sosumi | argh amazon, that company that is going to take an entire month to ship me 3 books | Oct 31 18:19 |
| MinceR | :> | Oct 31 18:21 |
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| iophk | http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1664588 | Oct 31 20:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | forums.macrumors.com | Western Digital Warns External Hard Drive Customers Over Mavericks Data Loss - MacRumors Forums [ http://ur1.ca/fytfn ] | Oct 31 20:11 |
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| MinceR | moral of the story: 1. don't use crApple products 2. don't use the crapware that comes with your data storage devices | Oct 31 20:20 |
| Snowleaksange | apple product not crappy tho. ms product are i agree. but apple makes quality stuff | Oct 31 20:23 |
| Snowleaksange | might be overpriced and spy on you etc, but still best products planet makes | Oct 31 20:23 |
| MinceR | yeah, quality stuff | Oct 31 20:25 |
| MinceR | like the only mobile phone that makes galvanic contact with the user's hand by design | Oct 31 20:25 |
| MinceR | and like the patented(!) power connector that melts itself | Oct 31 20:25 |
| Snowleaksange | fake | Oct 31 20:25 |
| MinceR | sure, keep telling yourself that | Oct 31 20:25 |
| Snowleaksange | youre citing blogspot for your power adaptor melting info | Oct 31 20:26 |
| MinceR | gotta deal with that cognitive dissonance somehow | Oct 31 20:26 |
| MinceR | no, i'm citing dozens of websites | Oct 31 20:26 |
| Snowleaksange | lol | Oct 31 20:26 |
| Snowleaksange | newb | Oct 31 20:26 |
| MinceR | grow up. | Oct 31 20:26 |
| MinceR | http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?id=3161#comic | Oct 31 20:28 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.smbc-comics.com | Saturday Morning Breakfast Cereal [ http://ur1.ca/fythi ] | Oct 31 20:28 |
| Sosumi | apple and quality... | Oct 31 20:38 |
| Sosumi | yeah right.... | Oct 31 20:38 |
| Sosumi | only apple quality makes you able to cook your lunch on a macbook pro | Oct 31 20:42 |
| MinceR | and i didn't even mention the quality of crApple software | Oct 31 20:43 |
| MinceR | and the support they "provide" | Oct 31 20:43 |
| Sosumi | and burn a hole in your ass, lol batteries | Oct 31 20:43 |
| Sosumi | well you heard me | Oct 31 20:43 |
| MinceR | exploding hypePhones | Oct 31 20:43 |
| Sosumi | that I experienced memory leaks in moronicks and performance issues with apple's java runtime 6 | Oct 31 20:44 |
| Sosumi | since current versions of mathematica and matlab can't run on oracle's java | Oct 31 20:45 |
| Sosumi | no problems with openjdk on fedora/rhel nor on winblows | Oct 31 20:46 |
| Sosumi | also crapple's opengl is still lagging behind | Oct 31 20:47 |
| Sosumi | 2010 was 3 years ago | Oct 31 20:47 |
| Sosumi | and from my own experience, I've never had memory leaks on linux nor on windows | Oct 31 20:47 |
| Sosumi | nor on osx 10.3 to 10.6 | Oct 31 20:48 |
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| Sosumi | after 10.6 things have been finicky with osx | Oct 31 20:49 |
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| Sosumi | and crapple doesn't seem to bothered with that either, just keep buying their stuff | Oct 31 20:51 |
| Sosumi | so don't forget to make a another mortage in your home so you can buy the trashcan pro | Oct 31 20:51 |
| MinceR | well, so long as it has the logo, they'll keep buying it | Oct 31 20:51 |
| Sosumi | and some insrance, because the thing may catch fire because of it's cooling system, | Oct 31 20:51 |
| Sosumi | or should I say, lack of it | Oct 31 20:52 |
| Sosumi | and applecare is junk | Oct 31 20:52 |
| Sosumi | individual components have much longer warranties | Oct 31 20:53 |
| Sosumi | for example corsair does 7 years on their top psus, gskill lifetime, asus 3 years and so on | Oct 31 20:53 |
| Sosumi | if not wanting to deal with individual manufactures HP is the way to go | Oct 31 20:54 |
| Sosumi | their Z800 workstations just scream and they have standard 3 years warranty | Oct 31 20:54 |
| Sosumi | at least here in PT | Oct 31 20:54 |
| Sosumi | and are not cippled in any conceivable way | Oct 31 20:55 |
| Sosumi | *crippled | Oct 31 20:55 |
| Sosumi | and you have rhel as option in case you don't want winblows | Oct 31 20:55 |
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| Sosumi | so what's the argument in favor of the mac? | Oct 31 20:59 |
| Sosumi | actually at this point | Oct 31 20:59 |
| Sosumi | none | Oct 31 20:59 |
| Sosumi | it's a shiny thing for the stupid | Oct 31 20:59 |
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| MinceR | i can think of two arguments: "but it has the logo!" and "but i have so much money i don't know what to do with!" | Oct 31 20:59 |
| Sosumi | you mean toilet paper? | Oct 31 20:59 |
| MinceR | could be coins | Oct 31 20:59 |
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| MinceR | or numbers in a banking system | Oct 31 20:59 |
| Sosumi | if it's not backed by anything it isn't worth anything :) | Oct 31 20:59 |
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| Sosumi | exchange paper for gold, silver | Oct 31 20:59 |
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| Sosumi | things that hold value through the times | Oct 31 21:00 |
| Sosumi | save them and liquidate them when needed | Oct 31 21:03 |
| MinceR | the value of gold and silver is also mostly a social construct, afaik | Oct 31 21:03 |
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| Sosumi | but it never goes to zero, paper money does | Oct 31 21:03 |
| MinceR | if civilization collapses, they might lose their value as well | Oct 31 21:03 |
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| MinceR | nah, paper itself also has some value | Oct 31 21:04 |
| MinceR | not a lot, but some | Oct 31 21:04 |
| Sosumi | well, just don't keep it in the bank | Oct 31 21:04 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 21:04 |
| Sosumi | or you might be cypried | Oct 31 21:04 |
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| MinceR | diversification of your portfolio can help | Oct 31 21:05 |
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| Sosumi | yes, gold, silver, real estate, intelectual property (real one not monopolization) | Oct 31 21:05 |
| MinceR | also, banknotes _are_ backed by something -- belief and trust in their value :> | Oct 31 21:06 |
| Sosumi | I really wouldn't trust that nor certificates of the treasure (folks holding "pubic" debt) | Oct 31 21:07 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 21:07 |
| Sosumi | banks are in a mess and the gov only has money to pay the interest | Oct 31 21:07 |
| Sosumi | and debt just keep pilling up | Oct 31 21:07 |
| Sosumi | *keeps | Oct 31 21:08 |
| MinceR | but that's still peachy compared to hungary | Oct 31 21:08 |
| MinceR | which is doomed | Oct 31 21:08 |
| Sosumi | plus there are rumors. already denied (lmao) of a second bailout | Oct 31 21:08 |
| Sosumi | and things are confirmed when they're officially denied | Oct 31 21:09 |
| Sosumi | and why have one when you can two, or three and more austerity? | Oct 31 21:09 |
| Sosumi | you can also pay your mastercard with the visa and then get an amex to pay both | Oct 31 21:09 |
| Sosumi | lawl | Oct 31 21:10 |
| MinceR | lol | Oct 31 21:10 |
| Sosumi | and hey they did just confiscate secondary pensions and are already yaping about more pension cuts | Oct 31 21:14 |
| MinceR | they stole my pension fund | Oct 31 21:14 |
| MinceR | and they say they've saved them | Oct 31 21:14 |
| Sosumi | but no one bothered, although it was the fruits of their labour that got lost/stollen/robbed | Oct 31 21:15 |
| MinceR | fucking nazis (fidesz) | Oct 31 21:15 |
| MinceR | then again, most of the eu is ruled by fundies and similar folk in league with them | Oct 31 21:15 |
| MinceR | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_People%27s_Party | Oct 31 21:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | European People's Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/5bmu ] | Oct 31 21:16 |
| MinceR | this criminal gang | Oct 31 21:16 |
| MinceR | the western world is experimenting with internet censorship | Oct 31 21:16 |
| MinceR | pcs are being replaced with untrustworthy uefi appliances | Oct 31 21:17 |
| MinceR | it's such a great era to be alive in | Oct 31 21:17 |
| Sosumi | people's party, only it's about selling them to multinationals and the big money power | Oct 31 21:18 |
| Sosumi | *if | Oct 31 21:18 |
| MinceR | oh, and all sorts of fundie states who believe if they all die they'll all just go to heaven own nukes | Oct 31 21:18 |
| Sosumi | heaven? I though they were secular humanists :) | Oct 31 21:19 |
| Sosumi | or commies/colectivists | Oct 31 21:19 |
| Sosumi | only with the rejection of a God or creator can man indulge himself in what I call degenerate behaviour | Oct 31 21:20 |
| Sosumi | because he has no ideal of "perfection" | Oct 31 21:20 |
| Sosumi | this is nothing about religion | Oct 31 21:20 |
| Sosumi | and my idol Gottfried Liebnitz did write about that | Oct 31 21:20 |
| Sosumi | another name for what I wrote is moral relativism | Oct 31 21:21 |
| Sosumi | you know, the guy that battled that fraud called newton in the calculus development and co-founded the russian academy of science | Oct 31 21:22 |
| Sosumi | actually newton and galileu are frauds and plagiarists since everything they wrote was derived from kepler's theories | Oct 31 21:23 |
| MinceR | nope | Oct 31 21:23 |
| MinceR | the ideal of perfection they merely use to flatter themselves in their minds | Oct 31 21:23 |
| Sosumi | and that has name, narcisist sociopaths | Oct 31 21:24 |
| MinceR | that's a broader category, though | Oct 31 21:24 |
| Sosumi | and some do tend to be very articulate a la snake charmer | Oct 31 21:25 |
| MinceR | also, this whole 'you need a god to be moral' is just fundie bullshit from people whose idea of morality is 'you can buy slaves so long as they're gentiles' and 'women are chattel' | Oct 31 21:25 |
| Sosumi | that's the spin put down by the priesthoods | Oct 31 21:26 |
| MinceR | also, 'it's the pinnacle of moral perfection to curse a fig tree to never again bear fruit because it had the audacity to not be in fruiting season when you wanted to eat some fig' | Oct 31 21:26 |
| Sosumi | watch out for that | Oct 31 21:26 |
| MinceR | and of course the good old 'it's moral to punish someone for the sins of his ancestors and/or descendants' | Oct 31 21:26 |
| Sosumi | that's not striving for perfection | Oct 31 21:27 |
| Sosumi | and who says that is subverting that | Oct 31 21:27 |
| MinceR | do you think that abrahamic religions have a less twisted idea of what perfection is than their idea of what morality is? | Oct 31 21:28 |
| MinceR | well, there's the old "all-knowing, all-powerful, all-benevolent deity creating a world full of evil and suffering" thing | Oct 31 21:28 |
| MinceR | doesn't matter if they strive for perfection if they don't have the foggiest idea of what it is | Oct 31 21:29 |
| Sosumi | I don't follow religions, they are just a system in which a mediator, the priest, says wathever he is allowed to say in his doctrine | Oct 31 21:29 |
| MinceR | they're some of the most successful and most destructive memes | Oct 31 21:29 |
| Sosumi | if you can distinguish through common sense what is right and wrong | Oct 31 21:29 |
| MinceR | people who have that common sense often deny it | Oct 31 21:30 |
| Sosumi | well, that I don't know, we're not talking about an exact science | Oct 31 21:31 |
| MinceR | it's a lot more exact than the cultists would like it to be | Oct 31 21:32 |
| Sosumi | exaplain | Oct 31 21:32 |
| Sosumi | *explain | Oct 31 21:32 |
| MinceR | there are many cases in which it is obvious which would be the more ethical choice | Oct 31 21:33 |
| MinceR | and from a simple principle, it is possible to build a powerful system of ethics | Oct 31 21:33 |
| MinceR | with science | Oct 31 21:33 |
| MinceR | though Sam Harris could explain it much better than i could :) | Oct 31 21:34 |
| Sosumi | never heard of sam harris, but'll look into him later | Oct 31 21:39 |
| Sosumi | ios 7, 64 bits build has stability issues | Oct 31 21:52 |
| Sosumi | including low memory warnings | Oct 31 21:52 |
| Sosumi | the iJunk only come with 1GB ram | Oct 31 21:52 |
| Sosumi | no wonder | Oct 31 21:53 |
| MinceR | one would think 1GB should be enough for a featurephone :> | Oct 31 21:53 |
| Sosumi | at this point 3GB min | Oct 31 21:53 |
| Sosumi | http://www.anandtech.com/show/7460/apple-ipad-air-review/9 | Oct 31 21:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.anandtech.com | AnandTech | The iPad Air Review [ http://ur1.ca/fytsb ] | Oct 31 21:54 |
| Sosumi | quoting | Oct 31 21:54 |
| Sosumi | "Although things seem to have improved with iOS 7.0.3, the 64-bit builds of the OS still seem to run into stability issues more frequently than their 32-bit counterparts. I still see low memory errors associated with any crashes. It could just be that the move to 64-bit applications (and associated memory pressure) is putting more stress on iOS’ memory management routines, which in turn exposes some weaknesses. The iPad Air crashed a | Oct 31 21:54 |
| Sosumi | couple of times on me (3 times total during the past week), but no where near as much as earlier devices running iOS 7.0.1." | Oct 31 21:54 |
| MinceR | well, i'd expect them to use a _little_ more memory | Oct 31 21:55 |
| Sosumi | well, common sense says that too | Oct 31 21:56 |
| Sosumi | but you know | Oct 31 21:56 |
| Sosumi | "think different" | Oct 31 21:56 |
| MinceR | more like "think less" or "don't think" | Oct 31 21:56 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 31 21:56 |
| Sosumi | that gave an idea | Oct 31 21:57 |
| MinceR | (which is of course what their "engineers" are doing) | Oct 31 21:57 |
| Sosumi | *me | Oct 31 21:57 |
| Sosumi | why not build a cluster of trashcan pros inside a fridge | Oct 31 21:57 |
| Sosumi | that'd keep them cool | Oct 31 21:57 |
| MinceR | costs too much, no point | Oct 31 21:57 |
| Sosumi | much better than the wine racks | Oct 31 21:57 |
| Sosumi | I know | Oct 31 21:58 |
| Sosumi | just trolling | Oct 31 21:58 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 31 21:58 |
| MinceR | especially considering that nobody could see the logo through the fridge | Oct 31 21:58 |
| MinceR | at that rate, you could just put real computers in the fridge | Oct 31 21:58 |
| Sosumi | the logo is in the back anyways | Oct 31 21:58 |
| MinceR | then again, they do make fridges with glass doors... | Oct 31 21:58 |
| MinceR | for shops at least | Oct 31 21:59 |
| Sosumi | yeah, but insolation on those isn't that great | Oct 31 21:59 |
| MinceR | whoever operates this could afford the extra power costs though | Oct 31 21:59 |
| Sosumi | or move to the south pole | Oct 31 22:00 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 22:00 |
| Sosumi | I heard they have nazi bases and flying saucers there | Oct 31 22:00 |
| Sosumi | operation highjump rings a bell | Oct 31 22:00 |
| MinceR | interesting | Oct 31 22:00 |
| MinceR | i thought we had more nazis here in hungary | Oct 31 22:01 |
| Sosumi | we have nazis everywhere | Oct 31 22:01 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 31 22:01 |
| Sosumi | nazis = national socialists | Oct 31 22:01 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 31 22:01 |
| MinceR | that's the sense i used it in | Oct 31 22:01 |
| Sosumi | yep, that's also how I interpreted it | Oct 31 22:02 |
| Sosumi | nothing really to do with the endeavours of the national socialist german workers party of adolf shicklegruber or wathever | Oct 31 22:03 |
| Sosumi | and winblows 8.1 has been fully cracked | Oct 31 22:05 |
| Sosumi | there's already available a VM for KMS 6 | Oct 31 22:06 |
| Sosumi | instead of having to set up a remote server | Oct 31 22:06 |
| Sosumi | still why bother :) gnu/linux is free | Oct 31 22:06 |
| Sosumi | and works better | Oct 31 22:06 |
| MinceR | indeed | Oct 31 22:07 |
| Sosumi | the only whatnot is the mess with the efi | Oct 31 22:07 |
| MinceR | though at least it helps people who are forced into using winblows-only software to not contribute to a fund that's destroying our freedom | Oct 31 22:08 |
| Sosumi | everytime there's a efi firmware update I lose the boot marker on my board config page | Oct 31 22:08 |
| Sosumi | forcing me to reinstall grub | Oct 31 22:08 |
| MinceR | ...or winblows-only hardware | Oct 31 22:08 |
| Sosumi | no, it's just the efi, losing that and you get the message there's no OS installed | Oct 31 22:09 |
| Sosumi | hardware isn't exactly windows only | Oct 31 22:09 |
| Sosumi | I don't know if it does the same with winblows, since I've never tested | Oct 31 22:10 |
| MinceR | i mean peripherals that require a winblows-only driver that nobody bothered to write a non-crap driver for | Oct 31 22:10 |
| Sosumi | I'm yet to find something that doesn't work linux | Oct 31 22:10 |
| Sosumi | *on | Oct 31 22:10 |
| MinceR | i used to, but i'm not up-to-date anymore | Oct 31 22:11 |
| Sosumi | but I don't have that many peripherals that require special drivers, maybe the mouse in order to config | Oct 31 22:11 |
| Sosumi | but cba, it worked well out of the box and the additional buttoms all workj | Oct 31 22:12 |
| Sosumi | steelseries sensei is the thing | Oct 31 22:12 |
| MinceR | yours doesn't reboot if you click one of the buttons on the right side? | Oct 31 22:12 |
| Sosumi | nop | Oct 31 22:13 |
| MinceR | i had to reconfigure it to stop it from doing that | Oct 31 22:13 |
| Sosumi | right side buttoms can be used to fast scrool | Oct 31 22:13 |
| Sosumi | other than that, kb is just a steelseries 7g, outside of being mechanical and ps/2 doesn't have anything fancy | Oct 31 22:14 |
| MinceR | my logitech g710+ is usable without extra drivers as well | Oct 31 22:15 |
| MinceR | though someone did write a driver for it | Oct 31 22:15 |
| Sosumi | and my scanner, epson 4990 photo has linux drivers too, although they're outsourced to a third party | Oct 31 22:15 |
| Sosumi | and that's pretty much it, printing works fine out of the box | Oct 31 22:17 |
| Sosumi | and so on | Oct 31 22:17 |
| Sosumi | http://www.tomshardware.com/news/dell-laptop-cat-pee-smell,24911.html#xtor=RSS-999 | Oct 31 22:20 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.tomshardware.com | Dell Insists There's No Cat Pee in the Latitude 6420u Laptop [ http://ur1.ca/fytv2 ] | Oct 31 22:20 |
| Sosumi | what about apple cinder? | Oct 31 22:20 |
| Sosumi | :) | Oct 31 22:20 |
| Sosumi | asus has finally put on sale their new laptops here in pt | Oct 31 22:22 |
| MinceR | which ones? | Oct 31 22:22 |
| Sosumi | 2390€ for an i7 4700HQ an, 32GB ram and gtx780 | Oct 31 22:22 |
| Sosumi | much cheaper than what dell wants for their alienware | Oct 31 22:23 |
| Sosumi | 3200€ | Oct 31 22:23 |
| Sosumi | the G series | Oct 31 22:23 |
| Sosumi | which are the only decent laptops around here | Oct 31 22:23 |
| Sosumi | outside the mobile workstations that aren't crippled in some way and don't try to mimick the macbooks | Oct 31 22:23 |
| Sosumi | but not getting it, too expensive for a pdf reader, latex editor on the go | Oct 31 22:24 |
| Sosumi | that was why I was still using a compaq armada with a 866 MHz P3 | Oct 31 22:25 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 22:25 |
| Sosumi | now all I have is a wall street powerbook G3 from 1998 | Oct 31 22:26 |
| Sosumi | which was my 1st computer | Oct 31 22:26 |
| MinceR | wall street? | Oct 31 22:26 |
| Sosumi | yes | Oct 31 22:26 |
| Sosumi | https://www.google.pt/search?q=wall+street+powerbook+g3&client=firefox-a&hs=LwM&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=GtlyUrqtJZGu7AawkoGACQ&ved=0CAkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1920&bih=1039#q=wallstreet+powerbook+g3&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&spell=1&tbm=isch | Oct 31 22:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.google.pt | wall street powerbook g3 - Pesquisa do Google [ http://ur1.ca/fytvp ] | Oct 31 22:27 |
| Sosumi | that onw | Oct 31 22:28 |
| Sosumi | *one | Oct 31 22:28 |
| Sosumi | got it when I was 10 years old back in 2000 | Oct 31 22:28 |
| Sosumi | from my uncle | Oct 31 22:28 |
| MinceR | ah, code name | Oct 31 22:29 |
| MinceR | looks like a laptop that's been left out in the sun for too long | Oct 31 22:30 |
| Sosumi | it actually looks nice and I like the ability of removing the drives | Oct 31 22:30 |
| Sosumi | like pop out the cd drive for another battery | Oct 31 22:31 |
| Sosumi | or a super disk drive | Oct 31 22:31 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 22:31 |
| Sosumi | laptops can't do that now | Oct 31 22:31 |
| MinceR | my ThinkPad W700 can do that | Oct 31 22:31 |
| Sosumi | which is shamefull | Oct 31 22:31 |
| Sosumi | yes | Oct 31 22:31 |
| Sosumi | but I'll see if I can nab something from someone | Oct 31 22:32 |
| Sosumi | since I pratically refuse to buy computer in which I can't change components | Oct 31 22:33 |
| Sosumi | so I basically look into used laptops | Oct 31 22:33 |
| MinceR | afaik in many current laptops you can still replace memory, hdd and battery | Oct 31 22:34 |
| MinceR | and of course ExpressCards | Oct 31 22:34 |
| Sosumi | nah cpu and gpu is what matters | Oct 31 22:35 |
| Sosumi | since no laptop can actually satisfy my needs | Oct 31 22:35 |
| MinceR | then again, my most recent laptop is over 2 years old | Oct 31 22:35 |
| Sosumi | as long as I can ssh into my system or the university system I really don't care | Oct 31 22:36 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 22:36 |
| Sosumi | plus control the costs, for example with the money I'd be paying for that asus | Oct 31 22:37 |
| Sosumi | I'd be able to get 3 radeon r290 | Oct 31 22:37 |
| Sosumi | or two titans | Oct 31 22:37 |
| Sosumi | for the things that really matter | Oct 31 22:37 |
| Sosumi | or pay 2 years of tuition | Oct 31 22:38 |
| Sosumi | :( | Oct 31 22:38 |
| Sosumi | it's around 1300€ each year | Oct 31 22:38 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 31 22:38 |
| MinceR | i finished university while it was still (mostly) paid through taxes | Oct 31 22:38 |
| MinceR | then again, the hungarian education system is (also) falling apart | Oct 31 22:39 |
| Sosumi | so is the portuguese :) | Oct 31 22:39 |
| Sosumi | it's trash | Oct 31 22:39 |
| Sosumi | and I've never gone into university for their teaching or guidance | Oct 31 22:40 |
| Sosumi | couldn't care less | Oct 31 22:40 |
| Sosumi | I'm there for their resources | Oct 31 22:40 |
| MinceR | i went there for teaching and the paper | Oct 31 22:40 |
| MinceR | was disappointed in the former, though | Oct 31 22:41 |
| Sosumi | tests and projects for me are just seen as chores | Oct 31 22:41 |
| Sosumi | which course did you pick up? | Oct 31 22:42 |
| MinceR | technical informatics | Oct 31 22:42 |
| Sosumi | I'm doing physics and computer engineering | Oct 31 22:43 |
| Sosumi | CE I started this year | Oct 31 22:44 |
| Sosumi | physics I'm on the master | Oct 31 22:44 |
| Sosumi | although, the courses converge a bit | Oct 31 22:46 |
| Sosumi | so I have equivalences | Oct 31 22:46 |
| MinceR | is CE a hardware-oriented course? | Oct 31 22:46 |
| Sosumi | no, it's our version of computer sciecne | Oct 31 22:46 |
| MinceR | ic | Oct 31 22:46 |
| Sosumi | we just don't call it that | Oct 31 22:47 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 22:47 |
| MinceR | yeah, afaik "informatics" isn't used much in english-speaking countries either | Oct 31 22:47 |
| Sosumi | for hardware oriented we have electronic engineering and computers | Oct 31 22:48 |
| Sosumi | http://tecnico.ulisboa.pt/en/education/ | Oct 31 22:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | tecnico.ulisboa.pt | Education | Técnico Lisboa | Oct 31 22:48 |
| Sosumi | not that many good looking girls in there too | Oct 31 22:50 |
| Sosumi | and the decent ones are only in chemical engineering | Oct 31 22:51 |
| Sosumi | but cba, trully, I'm looking for a wife | Oct 31 22:51 |
| Sosumi | and haven't seen one there that I could say, this is the one | Oct 31 22:51 |
| MinceR | what does 'cba' stand for? | Oct 31 22:51 |
| Sosumi | can't be arsed | Oct 31 22:51 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 22:51 |
| Sosumi | now the gym I go to, every morning, you basically wash your eyes everytime you go there | Oct 31 22:52 |
| Sosumi | not bad, although it has it's days too | Oct 31 22:53 |
| Sosumi | joke of the day | Oct 31 22:56 |
| Sosumi | imac's gtx 780m is just an underclocked gtx 680 | Oct 31 22:56 |
| Sosumi | from a guy selling is good mac pro for an imac *facepalm* | Oct 31 22:57 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 22:57 |
| Sosumi | 1.1 models although crippled by apple | Oct 31 22:57 |
| Sosumi | in the firmware, 32 bit efi vs 64bit efi | Oct 31 22:58 |
| Sosumi | can boot into 64 bits on gnu/linux or winblows | Oct 31 22:58 |
| Sosumi | plus the xeons used on those | Oct 31 22:58 |
| Sosumi | are dirt cheap to get | Oct 31 22:59 |
| Sosumi | in case of a cpu upgrade | Oct 31 22:59 |
| Sosumi | apple's fanboys current attitude and that is discarding paid chills by apple or subcontractors | Oct 31 23:01 |
| Sosumi | resembles stockolm sindrome | Oct 31 23:01 |
| MinceR | i don't understand the "discarding paid chills" part | Oct 31 23:02 |
| Sosumi | btw I'm referring to macrumors.com, cult of mac and appleinsider | Oct 31 23:02 |
| Sosumi | ppl that are paid to monitor and counter negative comments | Oct 31 23:02 |
| MinceR | oh, shills | Oct 31 23:02 |
| Sosumi | yeah sorry, my bad :) | Oct 31 23:03 |
| MinceR | i don't much read those three sites | Oct 31 23:03 |
| Sosumi | I just like to go there and flame | Oct 31 23:04 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 23:04 |
| Sosumi | so I can get my, satisfaction :) | Oct 31 23:05 |
| Sosumi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5bYDhZBFLA | Oct 31 23:05 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Benny Benassi - 'Satisfaction' (Official Video) - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fyu03 ] | Oct 31 23:05 |
| Sosumi | lol at the video | Oct 31 23:05 |
| MinceR | :) | Oct 31 23:05 |
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| Sosumi | testing winblows 8.1 on a VM right now | Oct 31 23:59 |
| Sosumi | had to:) | Oct 31 23:59 |
| Sosumi | 1,2 GB ram vs 2.66 GB of OSX right after boot | Oct 31 23:59 |
| Sosumi | also faster install vs OSX | Oct 31 23:59 |
| Sosumi | I'll test it further in two weeks after I'm done with the incoming round of exams | Nov 01 00:04 |
| Sosumi | but I bet it'll be the usual, OSX the worst performer | Nov 01 00:04 |
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| MinceR | http://www.madmagazine.com/blog/2013/10/31/president-obamas-fashionable-new-ad | Nov 01 00:31 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.madmagazine.com | President Obama’s Fashionable New Ad | Mad Magazine [ http://ur1.ca/fyuaq ] | Nov 01 00:31 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 01 00:36 |
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| *Topic for #techrights set by schestowitz!~schestowi@unaffiliated/schestowitz at Sat Jun 9 18:16:19 2012 | Nov 01 07:06 | |
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| iophk | http://investigations.nbcnews.com/_news/2013/11/01/21268571-open-source-advocates-to-government-let-us-help-you-fix-healthcaregov?lite | Nov 01 09:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | investigations.nbcnews.com | Open-source advocates to government: Let us help you fix healthcare.gov - Investigations [ http://ur1.ca/fywkm ] | Nov 01 09:52 |
| iophk | I'm not sure why a public-access web site would even need javascript to begin with. | Nov 01 09:53 |
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| schestowitz__ | iophk: I have just used your link in Jamaica’s Ministry of Health and Interior Ministry of France Pave the Way for US to Embrace GNU-Inspired Software Freedom http://techrights.org/2013/11/01/foss-in-national-level/ | Nov 01 12:01 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | techrights.org | Jamaica’s Ministry of Health and Interior Ministry of France Pave the Way for US to Embrace GNU-Inspired Software Freedom | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fyx4h ] | Nov 01 12:01 |
| iophk | Cool | Nov 01 12:01 |
| iophk | In the US, two major agencies use FOSS for health care infrastructure | Nov 01 12:02 |
| iophk | also | Nov 01 12:02 |
| iophk | but they use VistA instead | Nov 01 12:02 |
| iophk | VistA is public domain but some derivatives are GPL | Nov 01 12:04 |
| schestowitz__ | yes, I forgot to mention it | Nov 01 12:11 |
| schestowitz__ | could use a comment or update | Nov 01 12:11 |
| schestowitz__ | By the way, yesterday I found out who's trolling Pogson so much in comments | Nov 01 12:11 |
| schestowitz__ | It's those troll hordes (like moingol hordes) from TM | Nov 01 12:12 |
| schestowitz__ | Some anti-FOSS site | Nov 01 12:12 |
| schestowitz__ | no link | Nov 01 12:12 |
| schestowitz__ | they point their anonymous cowards at sites of pro-Linux folks | Nov 01 12:12 |
| schestowitz__ | They used to do that to techrights almost every day | Nov 01 12:12 |
| schestowitz__ | now they need to sign up with real email | Nov 01 12:12 |
| schestowitz__ | It was around that time that they started wasting Pogson's rime and prey on his credibility | Nov 01 12:13 |
| iophk | So they just changed targets, who's hiring them? | Nov 01 12:26 |
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| schestowitz__ | nobody I guess | Nov 01 13:01 |
| schestowitz__ | they're too stupid to be hired | Nov 01 13:01 |
| schestowitz__ | Microsoft paid people to comment in reddit | Nov 01 13:01 |
| schestowitz__ | And this I could believe before it became a scandal | Nov 01 13:01 |
| schestowitz__ | There are paid MS shills and then there's MS MVPs and dependants | Nov 01 13:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Those who would mock Linux because they would rather attack it than learn it | Nov 01 13:02 |
| schestowitz__ | Microsoft runs out of the latter | Nov 01 13:02 |
| schestowitz__ | but it's also running out of funds | Nov 01 13:02 |
| schestowitz__ | so it can 't afford subversive PR which blows in its face when exposed anyway | Nov 01 13:03 |
| schestowitz__ | let Microsofy rot in the next few years... their common carrier won't be able to carry the other crapware anymore | Nov 01 13:03 |
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| DaemonFC | back | Nov 01 14:03 |
| DaemonFC | no internet connection since Wednesday | Nov 01 14:03 |
| DaemonFC | a contractor dug up and snapped my cable line | Nov 01 14:04 |
| MinceR | geekings | Nov 01 14:18 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OjKEcE1mcdQ | Nov 01 14:50 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Everything Wrong With Pitch Black In 7 Minutes Or Less - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fyxto ] | Nov 01 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | Ryan Farmer | Nov 01 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | 17 hours ago | Nov 01 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | He forgot the most obvious one. | Nov 01 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | If the bioraptors are the only thing left because they've eaten everything else on the planet, then how are the bioraptors continuing to survive? | Nov 01 14:50 |
| DaemonFC | We see some of them eating each other in the movie, but this would still lower the population faster than the surviving ones could reproduce. | Nov 01 14:50 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/396270099994144768 | Nov 01 15:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @_Goblin: @schestowitz Maybe Boris should be challenged too? He was out there pimping the UK to China..maybe a better place to start? | Nov 01 15:52 |
| schestowitz__ | Boris is a client now, i can't criticise him :-) | Nov 01 15:52 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz__: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-24771421 | Nov 01 15:52 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.bbc.co.uk | BBC News - Patent wars: Tech giants sue Samsung and Google [ http://ur1.ca/fyy71 ] | Nov 01 15:52 |
| XFaCE | yep | Nov 01 15:52 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396250431590260737 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396254333450616832 vhttps://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396269805264961536 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396276431942352896 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396293698893643777 | Nov 01 15:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Mobile GNU and Linux: Not Just Android http://t.co/sHyebivlOl #android #linux #firefoxos #gnu #meego #tizen | Nov 01 15:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Mobile GNU and Linux: Not Just Android | Techrights | Nov 01 15:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Tap http://t.co/hu3WmewotQ | Nov 01 15:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Apple: Cheap Labour From China, Now Helping China Digitally ‘Conquer’ Taiwan http://t.co/Z1iKXCnIeB #china #taiwan #apple #revisionism | Nov 01 15:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Apple: Cheap Labour From China, Now Helping China Digitally ‘Conquer’ Taiwan | Techrights | Nov 01 15:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Free-as-in-Freedom Hardware: Building Together, Speeding up Innovation Through Cooperation http://t.co/cpIcLXWTZx #sharing #hardware | Nov 01 15:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Free-as-in-Freedom Hardware: Building Together, Speeding up Innovation Through Cooperation | Techrights | Nov 01 15:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Banning Military Use of GPL-Licensed and Other Freedom-Respecting Software http://t.co/pnUUNuZbR2 #gpl #drones #law | Nov 01 15:54 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Banning Military Use of GPL-Licensed and Other Freedom-Respecting Software | Techrights | Nov 01 15:54 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396302826596745216 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396304102050631680 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396304417621692416 | Nov 01 15:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Apple Feels the Pinch of Linux http://t.co/yBHLxXK7v3 #apple #linux #android | Nov 01 15:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Apple Feels the Pinch of Linux | Techrights | Nov 01 15:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Jamaica’s Ministry of Health and Interior Ministry of France Pave the Way for US to Embrace GNU-Inspired SW Freedom http://t.co/UhuNRe9cyn | Nov 01 15:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Jamaica’s Ministry of Health and Interior Ministry of France Pave the Way for US to Embrace GNU-Inspired Software Freedom | Techrights | Nov 01 15:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Microsoft Bans Android/Linux Devices (Barred From Sale) Using Nokia Patents, Google Attacked by Patents on Two Fronts http://t.co/enP1XYQABc | Nov 01 15:56 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Microsoft Bans Android/Linux Devices (Barred From Sale) Using Nokia Patents, Google Attacked by Software Patents on Two Fronts | Techrights | Nov 01 15:56 |
| XFaCE | "Well, thank you, Microsoft, for banning Linux. And HTC thought it had partnered with Microsoft for patent peace. A peace for our time…" | Nov 01 16:03 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz__: yep again | Nov 01 16:03 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz__: from this mary jo article on the rockstar situation, quote: | Nov 01 16:15 |
| XFaCE | "Rockstar is staffed primarily with a bunch of former Nortel staff members and management. T" | Nov 01 16:15 |
| XFaCE | well that's great | Nov 01 16:15 |
| XFaCE | what a perfect poetic end to the corruption and scandals of Nortel | Nov 01 16:15 |
| XFaCE | fucking disgusting | Nov 01 16:16 |
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| XFaCE | MinceR: http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/nortel-patents-at-issue-in-suits-against-google-huawei-1.2325485 | Nov 01 17:38 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.cbc.ca | Nortel patents at issue in suits against Google, Huawei - Business - CBC News [ http://ur1.ca/fyyuf ] | Nov 01 17:38 |
| XFaCE | MinceR: "Its owners, including Apple and BlackBerry, are rivals for the smartphone market with Google and Google’s Android-supported handset makers, but Rockstar says it operates independently." | Nov 01 17:38 |
| XFaCE | Lol oh wow | Nov 01 17:38 |
| XFaCE | I need to sneeze, *bullshit* | Nov 01 17:38 |
| MinceR | indeed | Nov 01 17:39 |
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| XFaCE | Rockstar, they should have gone with something more subtle | Nov 01 17:46 |
| XFaCE | like "The Co-operation for Better Mobile Development Institution" | Nov 01 17:46 |
| XFaCE | or "The Coalition for Fair Mobile Market Practices" | Nov 01 17:46 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.macrumors.com/2013/11/01/new-plugin-allows-developers-to-turn-ios-devices-into-bitcoin-mining-bots/ | Nov 01 19:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.macrumors.com | New Plugin Allows Developers to Turn iOS Devices Into Bitcoin Mining Bots - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/fyzbs ] | Nov 01 19:13 |
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| Sosumi | http://yro.slashdot.org/story/13/11/01/128258/microsoft-apple-and-others-launch-huge-patent-strike-at-android?utm_source=slashdot&utm_medium=twitter | Nov 01 19:27 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | yro.slashdot.org | Microsoft, Apple and Others Launch Huge Patent Strike at Android - Slashdot [ http://ur1.ca/fyzfg ] | Nov 01 19:27 |
| Sosumi | but meanwhile, nexus 5 sold in an instant | Nov 01 19:28 |
| Sosumi | can't say the same for all those hyphePhones | Nov 01 19:28 |
| Sosumi | or winblows phones, lol, those don't even leave the shelves | Nov 01 19:28 |
| Sosumi | also. the only version of the hypephone that sold out was the "fake" gold colored | Nov 01 19:29 |
| Sosumi | at least here in PT | Nov 01 19:30 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396343722457436160 | Nov 01 20:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Tried #Claws and #KMail for the first time in almost a decade. They're far behind #Thunderbird in many ways, but KMail looks nice. | Nov 01 20:03 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/396344471169662976 | Nov 01 20:03 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @_Goblin: @schestowitz :) At least you won't have to worry about making an effort to meet him. The guy looks a complete mess.... | Nov 01 20:03 |
| schestowitz__ | I trust eccentric messy guys more than empty suits with a posh accent | Nov 01 20:04 |
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| Sosumi | TEPCO registered massive profits | Nov 01 23:19 |
| Sosumi | thx to the taxpayer bailout | Nov 01 23:20 |
| Sosumi | meanwhile, it's business as usual in fukushima, under the cover of tornados and heavy raining, release contaminated water | Nov 01 23:21 |
| Sosumi | that is being stored in the tanks | Nov 01 23:21 |
| Sosumi | but anyways, the thing is always leaking | Nov 01 23:21 |
| Sosumi | http://www.zerohedge.com/contributed/2013-11-01/japan%E2%80%99s-most-hated-outfit-tepco-reports-fat-profit-taxpayer-bailout-money | Nov 01 23:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.zerohedge.com | Japan’s Most Hated Outfit, TEPCO, Reports Fat Profit (From Taxpayer Bailout Money) | Zero Hedge [ http://ur1.ca/fz0n4 ] | Nov 01 23:24 |
| Sosumi | quoting a comment | Nov 01 23:24 |
| Sosumi | "TEPCO's must be doing God's work by bringing folks (sooner :) ) to Jesus" | Nov 01 23:25 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 01 23:25 |
| Sosumi | meanwhile in poortugal | Nov 01 23:26 |
| Sosumi | economy is recovering, it's a miracle, look at the stock exchange, fat numbers!! yeah!!! | Nov 01 23:26 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 01 23:27 |
| Sosumi | but that is being artificially prompted by the low interest rates and cheap money | Nov 01 23:27 |
| MinceR | 002518 < Sosumi> "TEPCO's must be doing God's work by bringing folks (sooner :) ) to Jesus" | Nov 01 23:27 |
| MinceR | the same people will eventually try to do "God's work" themselves via more effective means | Nov 01 23:27 |
| Sosumi | in reality the real economy is colapsing because it can't cope with the austerity measures aka the death by a thousand cuts | Nov 01 23:28 |
| Sosumi | and under the cover that everything is fine and after having confiscated secondary pensions | Nov 01 23:29 |
| Sosumi | now they want pensioners to make more discounts | Nov 01 23:29 |
| Sosumi | why not tell them to DROP DEAD! | Nov 01 23:29 |
| Sosumi | so we can steal all the money you discounted for your pension | Nov 01 23:30 |
| Sosumi | suckers! | Nov 01 23:30 |
| Sosumi | great idea | Nov 01 23:30 |
| Sosumi | ship grandpas to fukushima | Nov 01 23:30 |
| Sosumi | so they can become radioactive debris | Nov 01 23:32 |
| Sosumi | and no money wasted on that pesky funeral | Nov 01 23:32 |
| Sosumi | win win | Nov 01 23:32 |
| Sosumi | that is the truth | Nov 01 23:33 |
| Sosumi | but meanwhile normalicy rules the land, so who cares, there's still soccer matches and beer | Nov 01 23:34 |
| Sosumi | the unwashed masses are stupid and hard to educate, but the problem is that they tend to drag others into the same pit | Nov 01 23:38 |
| Sosumi | and we'll be sufering that in the future, specially when the retirement age nears | Nov 01 23:38 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 02 00:05 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/396367508841590784 | Nov 02 01:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @_Goblin: @schestowitz Thats a fair comment, but Boris isn't the messy eccentric guy he appears to be is he? I can link his background. | Nov 02 01:04 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/396367735413678080 | Nov 02 01:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @_Goblin: @schestowitz And I don't find him funny, when he acts the bumbling fool on tax payers money. If he wants to do standup theres TV for that. | Nov 02 01:04 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/396367975730540544 | Nov 02 01:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @_Goblin: @schestowitz I am surprised at you Roy that someone who battles unfairness would show any positive to a man like Boris. | Nov 02 01:04 |
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| iophk | http://linuxaria.com/howto/how-to-remove-zeitgeist-in-ubuntu-and-why | Nov 02 07:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | linuxaria.com | » Linuxaria – Everything about GNU/Linux and Open source How to remove Zeitgeist in Ubuntu and why [ http://ur1.ca/fz3ll ] | Nov 02 07:43 |
| iophk | http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/microsoft-can-skype-api | Nov 02 07:45 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.networkworld.com | Microsoft to can Skype API, third party products will not work [ http://ur1.ca/fz3lw ] | Nov 02 07:45 |
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| iophk | http://venturebeat.com/2013/11/01/github-to-white-house-open-source-your-healthcare-gov-code-and-let-us-help/ | Nov 02 09:11 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | venturebeat.com | Github to White House: Open source your HealthCare.gov code and let us help | VentureBeat [ http://ur1.ca/fz3y7 ] | Nov 02 09:11 |
| iophk | They should be using Github for drafting legislation, too. | Nov 02 09:12 |
| iophk | http://www.infoworld.com/d/open-source-software/open-source-needs-clean-its-language-229838 | Nov 02 09:13 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | Open source needs to clean up its language | Open Source Software - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fz3yd ] | Nov 02 09:13 |
| iophk | 'non-reciprocal' is a better way to describe it | Nov 02 09:13 |
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| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LobSFGunV-U | Nov 02 09:39 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | Ronon Dex try P-90 and 9mm - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fz41s ] | Nov 02 09:39 |
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| DaemonFC | Well, this guy turned out to be a first class jerk. | Nov 02 09:54 |
| DaemonFC | Oh well. There's a million others out there. | Nov 02 09:54 |
| *DaemonFC goes to bed. | Nov 02 09:55 | |
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| DaemonFC | People get mad at me when I complain about all the Handy Crapped parking spots. | Nov 02 10:24 |
| DaemonFC | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vuEQixrBKCc | Nov 02 10:24 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.youtube.com | George Carlin - Euphemisms - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/fz47n ] | Nov 02 10:24 |
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| iophk | http://www.reuters.com/article/2013/10/31/net-us-finland-hacking-idUSBRE99U0ZL20131031 | Nov 02 10:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.reuters.com | Finland says government's data network hit by severe hacking | Reuters [ http://ur1.ca/fz49z ] | Nov 02 10:49 |
| iophk | Still on Windows, though... | Nov 02 10:49 |
| prurigro | iophk: takes quite a bit to change an entire infrastructure :) | Nov 02 11:21 |
| iophk | ,Mostly motivation is needed | Nov 02 11:24 |
| prurigro | organization and funding are pretty important too | Nov 02 11:24 |
| iophk | M$ sales people tend to get embedded in the bureaucracy and prevent even investivation in to working options. | Nov 02 11:25 |
| prurigro | you have a beurocracy of people with different opinions and you have to both inject the idea of changing platforms to the right people at the right time when budgets are available | Nov 02 11:25 |
| iophk | Not that they would be capable of participation. | Nov 02 11:25 |
| iophk | Transition costs mostly because the old system has to be maintained and there is a bit of work overcoming barriers as the new system is phased in. | Nov 02 11:26 |
| prurigro | once you've had someone make the decision in the right place and right time, you then need to come up with a plan for changing over thousands of servers and desktops, including what you're changing to, how support is going to work etc, and then you're gonna need to retrain everyone, replace all your services with equivalent ones that work on this new platform, somehow move all the data from the old system | Nov 02 11:27 |
| prurigro | to the new one, figure out how all the companies who have contracts with you are going to be handled, companies that may or may not be currently locked into windows | Nov 02 11:27 |
| iophk | M$ staff cannot be retrained. It's only the bottom tier of support that might be reusable. | Nov 02 11:28 |
| prurigro | I don't think that's necessarily true, but if you think that's the case then there's nothing that can be done :) | Nov 02 11:28 |
| prurigro | keep in mind that all your non IT staff are using windows too | Nov 02 11:29 |
| iophk | It's only an observation over the years. | Nov 02 11:29 |
| iophk | Moving non-IT staff is often not hard. | Nov 02 11:29 |
| iophk | Unless there are specialized applications locking them in that aren't cross-platform or won't run in WINE. | Nov 02 11:30 |
| prurigro | I'm thinking about my personal experience here, and I believe it likely will be | Nov 02 11:30 |
| prurigro | a lot of departments have special internal network services that require IE/activex | Nov 02 11:30 |
| prurigro | a lot of them also use exchange | Nov 02 11:30 |
| iophk | I've not seen that for ages. But it is (an intentional) problem where it does exist. | Nov 02 11:30 |
| prurigro | a lot of them have also already paid for shit loads of software that isn't going to run nicely in wine | Nov 02 11:31 |
| prurigro | have you worked in government? | Nov 02 11:31 |
| iophk | Not for a long while. | Nov 02 11:31 |
| iophk | Exit costs need to be included in TCO calculations | Nov 02 11:31 |
| prurigro | well, that's how it is here with my government, and I've heard it's not too different down in the US | Nov 02 11:31 |
| prurigro | from people providing services | Nov 02 11:31 |
| prurigro | via respective companies | Nov 02 11:32 |
| prurigro | basically, your savings may start many many years down the road, and budgets only account for a couple of years at a time since elected leaders can jump in and uproot your whole setup | Nov 02 11:32 |
| prurigro | the money's also being spent a second time, from the point of view of those allocating it to IT directions, so it's coming out of the pockets of programs that the elected government may have promised already and whatnot | Nov 02 11:33 |
| iophk | Procurement needs to include exit costs | Nov 02 11:33 |
| prurigro | in what respect? | Nov 02 11:33 |
| iophk | http://www.epractice.eu/en/document/5290101 | Nov 02 11:33 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.epractice.eu | e-Governance in public sector ICT procurement: what is shaping practice in Sweden | ePractice [ http://ur1.ca/3sgbp ] | Nov 02 11:33 |
| iophk | The cost of M$ systems is prohibitive even when moving to other versions of M$ | Nov 02 11:34 |
| iophk | the ActiveX mess you describe is an exampel | Nov 02 11:34 |
| iophk | some are locked into MSIE 6 still | Nov 02 11:34 |
| prurigro | thing is, they already paid for a suite, and I dunno about sweden, but in my government, when funding doesn't exist this year, computers won't be upgrading | Nov 02 11:34 |
| iophk | Sunk-cost fallacy | Nov 02 11:34 |
| iophk | throwing good money after bad | Nov 02 11:35 |
| iophk | in some situations it is cheaper to just pull the plug | Nov 02 11:35 |
| prurigro | this isn't a fallacy when you consider the big piture | Nov 02 11:35 |
| prurigro | picture* | Nov 02 11:35 |
| prurigro | which is that your costs 5 years from now are irrelevant | Nov 02 11:35 |
| prurigro | and it's cheaper in the short run not to overhaul your systems | Nov 02 11:35 |
| prurigro | cheaper, and safer, if you don't want to be the one who fucked everything up | Nov 02 11:35 |
| iophk | small incremental steps along a death spiral | Nov 02 11:36 |
| prurigro | it's the price paid for governments with such quick turnover | Nov 02 11:36 |
| iophk | in actuallity the one who fucked everything up was the initial M$ procurment | Nov 02 11:37 |
| prurigro | yes | Nov 02 11:37 |
| prurigro | that was everyone's chance to not go down that road | Nov 02 11:37 |
| iophk | yes, fast turnover and quartely thinking are a problem in any planning | Nov 02 11:37 |
| iophk | https://joinup.ec.europa.eu/news/report-contracting-authorities-must-take-exit-costs-account | Nov 02 11:37 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | joinup.ec.europa.eu | Report: 'Contracting authorities must take exit costs into account' | Joinup [ http://ur1.ca/86h8h ] | Nov 02 11:37 |
| prurigro | next chance comes when an overhaul that provides some financial benifit in some other direction appears | Nov 02 11:37 |
| prurigro | like consolidation of government e-services | Nov 02 11:38 |
| iophk | usually "consolidation" is a cover for "pork" | Nov 02 11:38 |
| prurigro | I'd say the odds of someone suggesting a move to something people don't already know and then having it carried out is pretty low though | Nov 02 11:38 |
| iophk | administratively it usually ends up only adding an *additional* layer of management or technology or both | Nov 02 11:38 |
| prurigro | well I mean, I think the stat at a conference I was at for the number of websites for my country's government was something along the lines of 60,000 | Nov 02 11:39 |
| prurigro | and at most a department seems to handle maybe 20 | Nov 02 11:39 |
| prurigro | if they're helping other, smaller ones | Nov 02 11:39 |
| prurigro | squish all that into a single department, as the plan is, and costs may be saved | Nov 02 11:39 |
| prurigro | if done right | Nov 02 11:39 |
| iophk | LOL | Nov 02 11:40 |
| prurigro | and yeah, it's looking like it's going to result in what you say | Nov 02 11:40 |
| prurigro | additional beurocracy and lag | Nov 02 11:40 |
| prurigro | but we'll see I guess | Nov 02 11:40 |
| iophk | hope for the best | Nov 02 11:40 |
| prurigro | yup haha | Nov 02 11:41 |
| iophk | though there are too many small players that gain from any inefficiencies introduced | Nov 02 11:41 |
| prurigro | I've been around for a different department moving to a CMS, and that's pretty rough | Nov 02 11:41 |
| prurigro | word, yeah, outsourcing ends up meaning inefficiencies and increased costs, if you're talking about 3rd parties who have an interest in pushing microsoft | Nov 02 11:42 |
| prurigro | or at least how they seem to be handled currently | Nov 02 11:43 |
| iophk | How would a CMS be decomissioned? Convert to static HTML and throw on a search page? | Nov 02 11:43 |
| prurigro | move to php or aspx | Nov 02 11:43 |
| prurigro | and have a team that accepts documents and converts them to html for content pages | Nov 02 11:43 |
| iophk | wget :P | Nov 02 11:43 |
| prurigro | hrm? | Nov 02 11:44 |
| prurigro | what do you mean? | Nov 02 11:44 |
| iophk | wget --page-requisites --mirror http://whatever.gov/ | Nov 02 11:44 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | Couldn't resolve host 'whatever.gov' ( status 0 @ http://whatever.gov/ ) | Nov 02 11:44 |
| iophk | or something like that | Nov 02 11:44 |
| prurigro | to accomplish? | Nov 02 11:45 |
| iophk | convert to static HTML | Nov 02 11:45 |
| iophk | the other two options are to figure out how to map over to the new CMS, most of which may have to be done manually page by page | Nov 02 11:46 |
| iophk | or to indefinitely maintain the old code | Nov 02 11:46 |
| prurigro | ahh, word haha, I see what you mean- I thought you meant how would the system change-- if you have access to server side stuff usually the content pages are file based, so you grab those and do a conversion job | Nov 02 11:46 |
| prurigro | you dont want to be stripping your header and footer from every page :) | Nov 02 11:46 |
| iophk | wget will get the final, rendered result | Nov 02 11:46 |
| prurigro | I mean, find + sed -i work nicely | Nov 02 11:46 |
| prurigro | yeah, rendered with footer and header | Nov 02 11:47 |
| iophk | PHP is overused | Nov 02 11:47 |
| prurigro | it's been aspx in most of my experience | Nov 02 11:47 |
| iophk | SSI is lower maintenance and secure, if NOEXEC | Nov 02 11:47 |
| prurigro | includes via what platform? | Nov 02 11:47 |
| prurigro | the web server? | Nov 02 11:47 |
| iophk | Apache, Apache2, nginx but not lighttpd | Nov 02 11:48 |
| prurigro | that translates to higher coupling | Nov 02 11:48 |
| prurigro | and it's more difficult for a platform to exist without developers having access | Nov 02 11:48 |
| prurigro | and still allow developers to do fancy things like include | Nov 02 11:48 |
| iophk | SSI is in the HTML | Nov 02 11:48 |
| prurigro | ahh word, how about if then statements? can it do that? | Nov 02 11:48 |
| iophk | One line per item, like menu, footer, header | Nov 02 11:48 |
| iophk | Yes | Nov 02 11:49 |
| iophk | if-then is possible IIRC | Nov 02 11:49 |
| prurigro | based on url? | Nov 02 11:49 |
| prurigro | can it implant your metadata? like grab from variables and add it to the header? | Nov 02 11:49 |
| iophk | It's been too many years | Nov 02 11:50 |
| iophk | httpd.apache.org/docs/2.2/howto/ssi.html#coanditional | Nov 02 11:50 |
| prurigro | I feel like you'd be starting to have another php or aspx on your hands if ssi could do all the stuff I'm thinking of that gets used by the site I've most recently worked on | Nov 02 11:51 |
| iophk | No scripting. Just "include" text or html and maybe some conditional statements based on variables | Nov 02 11:51 |
| iophk | Many people (most?) use PHP just to get standardized headers, footers and nav menus | Nov 02 11:52 |
| iophk | Overkill | Nov 02 11:52 |
| iophk | though they get paid to hack on it... | Nov 02 11:52 |
| iophk | and management has heard the name PHP | Nov 02 11:53 |
| prurigro | ahh word, I usually use it initially for that, knowing I'll find a better reason as I continue | Nov 02 11:53 |
| prurigro | especially if I intended to use ajax | Nov 02 11:53 |
| iophk | That's how many start. | Nov 02 11:53 |
| iophk | But a lot of sites then go no further | Nov 02 11:53 |
| iophk | and just stay with the menus, etc | Nov 02 11:54 |
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| iophk | With SSI, it is important that Options are IncludesNOEXEC, otherwise there is not much gain. | Nov 02 11:56 |
| iophk | The result is easy to cache. | Nov 02 11:56 |
| prurigro | by noexec, what is that preventing? I don't assume it'd execute server side scripts or something at that point? | Nov 02 11:58 |
| iophk | It prevents scripts. | Nov 02 11:58 |
| iophk | a) SSI is not efficient for scripts, b) in the event someone gets unauthorized write access to the pages, they can't write scripts either | Nov 02 11:59 |
| prurigro | so it could run a .sh with a+x on it, in theory? | Nov 02 12:05 |
| iophk | If exec is turned on, it could run even system utilities | Nov 02 12:05 |
| iophk | if they are written so inside the web page | Nov 02 12:06 |
| prurigro | oh man, that sounds dangerus | Nov 02 12:06 |
| prurigro | that's one reason I like php on that note, vs cgi-bin type things | Nov 02 12:06 |
| prurigro | it's got security restrictions that limit potential damage | Nov 02 12:06 |
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| iophk | http://www.eweek.com/enterprise-apps/why-is-the-linux-foundation-growing.html | Nov 02 12:48 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.eweek.com | Why Is the Linux Foundation Growing? [ http://ur1.ca/fz4o5 ] | Nov 02 12:48 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Nov 02 13:28 |
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| iophk | http://mrpogson.com/2013/11/02/business-getting-floss/ | Nov 02 13:35 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | mrpogson.com | Business Getting FLOSS | Robert Pogson [ http://ur1.ca/fz4u1 ] | Nov 02 13:35 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396638828217507840 https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396627661784907776 | Nov 02 14:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Setting up a Raspberry Pi as a home server http://t.co/59S0QhOWbc #linux in every house vision? | Nov 02 14:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> kmacphail.blogspot.co.uk | Linux, open source & anything else: Setting up a Raspberry Pi as a home server | Nov 02 14:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: BBC World Service interview about NSA and spy oversight http://t.co/pTIvXzFDkK #nsa #privacy | Nov 02 14:04 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> anniemachon.ch | BBC World Service interview about NSA and spy oversight - Using Our Intelligence | Nov 02 14:04 |
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| iophk | old - http://www.sci-tech-today.com/story.xhtml?story_id=10000005C77O | Nov 02 14:49 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.sci-tech-today.com | Google Offers Quickoffice for Free | Sci-Tech Today [ http://ur1.ca/fz51t ] | Nov 02 14:49 |
| iophk | no word in the article about ODF support. It's only a half measure if QO depends on M$ proprietary data formats. | Nov 02 14:50 |
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| iophk | prurigro: 2.2 or 2.4 ? | Nov 02 15:15 |
| prurigro | iophk: what are these options for? | Nov 02 15:16 |
| iophk | For Apache 2.2 or Apache 2.4? | Nov 02 15:17 |
| iophk | Some syntax in 'expr' changed. | Nov 02 15:17 |
| iophk | you asked about variables | Nov 02 15:17 |
| iophk | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/mod/mod_include.html#includevars | Nov 02 15:17 |
| iophk | httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/expr.html#vars | Nov 02 15:17 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | httpd.apache.org | mod_include - Apache HTTP Server [ http://ur1.ca/fz54v ] | Nov 02 15:18 |
| iophk | http://httpd.apache.org/docs/2.4/expr.html#vars | Nov 02 15:18 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | httpd.apache.org | Expressions in Apache HTTP Server - Apache HTTP Server [ http://ur1.ca/fz54x ] | Nov 02 15:18 |
| prurigro | iophk: ahh, that'd be 2.2 it seems, which is strange because arch is usually the latest of everything | Nov 02 15:18 |
| iophk | A lot of distros still have 2.2 | Nov 02 15:18 |
| prurigro | there must be some compatibility issues | Nov 02 15:19 |
| prurigro | like qt4 and qt5 | Nov 02 15:19 |
| iophk | Apache2 doesn't use Qt | Nov 02 15:19 |
| prurigro | just a comparison | Nov 02 15:19 |
| iophk | ok | Nov 02 15:20 |
| prurigro | arch has both versions of qt, same with python | Nov 02 15:20 |
| prurigro | as most distros likely do | Nov 02 15:20 |
| Sosumi | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rockstar_Consortium | Nov 02 15:21 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | en.wikipedia.org | Rockstar Consortium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/fz55j ] | Nov 02 15:22 |
| Sosumi | in which both M$ and crApple are members | Nov 02 15:23 |
| Sosumi | duopoly confirmed | Nov 02 15:23 |
| Sosumi | funy is that they're suing samsung and asus, both pc manufacturers | Nov 02 15:24 |
| prurigro | more like oligarchy imo | Nov 02 15:24 |
| Sosumi | yet they've not dumped winblows out of their products, opting for default gnu/linux or just a clean HDD | Nov 02 15:25 |
| Sosumi | that'd put a couple of nails, at least, on M$ coffin | Nov 02 15:25 |
| prurigro | corporations do the best decision for a given moment, regardless of their relationship with a given company, I think that's been proven enough times now to consider it the way thinsg are | Nov 02 15:26 |
| Sosumi | yep, that is true, but the best decision is to show M$ that they're nothing more than just another sw house | Nov 02 15:29 |
| iophk | All M$ has been able to do has been built on being able to leverage their desktop monopoly. | Nov 02 15:31 |
| iophk | With Android, that monopoly might go away or simply just not matter any more. | Nov 02 15:31 |
| iophk | If that happens, M$ is out of business options. | Nov 02 15:31 |
| iophk | Chromebooks are also a threat to that monopoly. People might discover that there are other options. | Nov 02 15:32 |
| iophk | "Everyone" uses Windows but no one actually likes it. | Nov 02 15:32 |
| iophk | So as soon as other options are perceived as being available, people will jump ship. | Nov 02 15:33 |
| prurigro | I'm sure if there's a decision to make where one direction helps microsoft and the other hurts them, and they're both equal aside from that, they aren't going to choose the one that helps microsoft | Nov 02 15:33 |
| iophk | I'd say that that Rockstar deal falls into that category. | Nov 02 15:33 |
| prurigro | I'm not a fan of google's alternatives though, imo they're just as bad, only in completely different ways | Nov 02 15:33 |
| Sosumi | android and chromebooks are not viable platforms for desktops and laptops, plus their sole porpuse is to put your data into google's hands for their datamining systems and thus pronpting their advertising business | Nov 02 15:33 |
| prurigro | exactly | Nov 02 15:34 |
| Sosumi | of which M$ also wants a slice | Nov 02 15:34 |
| Sosumi | just look at winblows 8.1 universal search | Nov 02 15:34 |
| Sosumi | sending search info to M$, pretty much like moronical (canonical) does | Nov 02 15:34 |
| prurigro | I've hacked up android hard so my personal phone isn't giving google data, but eventually I hope to move to a platform that has an agreeable philosophy from the getgo, once one is available that does what I need (eventually firefox os perhaps?) | Nov 02 15:35 |
| iophk | How clean is Cyanogenmod about not leaking data to Google? | Nov 02 15:35 |
| prurigro | lol canonical-- shuttleworth won the big brother award, but I think it should have had a lot of others share it with him | Nov 02 15:35 |
| prurigro | iophk: if you patch with openpdroid and use afwall for good measure, you're pretty safe | Nov 02 15:35 |
| prurigro | there's default on/off privacy measures that remove access to some of the big things, but I don't consider that a complete solution, since you're then giving access to everything if an app needs access to anything | Nov 02 15:36 |
| prurigro | not to mention that you can't fake or randomly generate data, and it's not covering stuff like your android id and stuff, which can be used to tie your device to a profile | Nov 02 15:37 |
| Sosumi | h33t.eu seems to have died | Nov 02 16:00 |
| Sosumi | even through http://204.16.200.51/, it's last update was on october the 16th | Nov 02 16:00 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | 204.16.200.51 | NO TITLE | Nov 02 16:00 |
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| iophk | http://neo900.org/ | Nov 02 16:53 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | neo900.org | Neo900 | Nov 02 16:53 |
| MinceR | :) | Nov 02 16:53 |
| MinceR | it's a pity there's no separate numeric row | Nov 02 16:54 |
| iophk | And not much punctuation either. | Nov 02 16:56 |
| MinceR | also, the cpu is weak; the screen is low-resolution and resistive | Nov 02 16:56 |
| MinceR | a step forward from GTA04, but still kind of stuck in the past | Nov 02 16:56 |
| iophk | http://neo900.org/specs | Nov 02 16:57 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | neo900.org | Neo900 | Nov 02 16:57 |
| iophk | yeah but the big selling point is that it runs Debian | Nov 02 16:58 |
| MinceR | that's nice | Nov 02 16:58 |
| iophk | however not having a full keyboard or sufficiently close to a full keyboard is a difficulty | Nov 02 17:08 |
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| DaemonFC | From my Facebook wall: | Nov 02 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | It's a good thing I have access to the Indiana court records. | Nov 02 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | Saves a lot of time when you can weed out the wastrels right away. | Nov 02 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | This one even has an open criminal case. Careful who you meet on Craiglist! | Nov 02 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | Count , Number 1 : () | Nov 02 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | Charge: 35-46-3-7(a) MA: Cruelty to an Animal Plea: | Nov 02 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | Charge Type: Misdemeanor Class A Disposition: | Nov 02 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | Charge Date: 10/04/2013 Disposition Date: | Nov 02 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | My email reply (through Craiglist's anonymous remailer): | Nov 02 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | Cruelty to an animal? Really? They should have you shot. | Nov 02 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | Don't e-mail me again. | Nov 02 19:58 |
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| DaemonFC | Hmm, time to delete one of my chaff email accounts. | Nov 02 20:05 |
| iophk | What formats do Google's Quickoffice and Apple's iWork use? Can they even do ODF at all? | Nov 02 20:07 |
| Sosumi | who really cares? | Nov 02 20:10 |
| Sosumi | they work with/in the cloud | Nov 02 20:10 |
| MinceR | afaik Quickoffice can only load/save through Google Drive | Nov 02 20:10 |
| MinceR | so it has the same options | Nov 02 20:10 |
| Sosumi | yep | Nov 02 20:10 |
| iophk | I thought it was standalone | Nov 02 20:10 |
| MinceR | it was, before google bought it. | Nov 02 20:11 |
| Sosumi | they were in the past | Nov 02 20:11 |
| iophk | I'm not keen on letting companies hold data hostage like that. | Nov 02 20:11 |
| MinceR | neither am i | Nov 02 20:11 |
| iophk | Being able to import/export ODF would mitigate that a little. Not enough for me to use them but some. | Nov 02 20:12 |
| iophk | It would help break M$ hold on the office file formats. | Nov 02 20:12 |
| MinceR | not if they promote OOXML first and foremost | Nov 02 20:13 |
| MinceR | (and afaik it's still first choice in Google Drive.) | Nov 02 20:13 |
| iophk | it would be hurting their own interests to do so. | Nov 02 20:14 |
| iophk | but I wouldn't put it past some moles | Nov 02 20:14 |
| iophk | http://www.infoworld.com/t/technology-business/6-dirty-secrets-of-the-it-industry-229416?page=0,1 | Nov 02 20:16 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | www.infoworld.com | 6 dirty secrets of the IT industry | Technology business - InfoWorld [ http://ur1.ca/fz61a ] | Nov 02 20:16 |
| iophk | #3 | Nov 02 20:16 |
| XFaCE | schestowitz__: from my business textbook | Nov 02 20:17 |
| XFaCE | "Availability of technology-related resources such as copyrights, patents, trademarks, and trade secrets" | Nov 02 20:18 |
| XFaCE | for once, a) they aren't called "intellectual property" and b) they are all listed individually | Nov 02 20:18 |
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| DaemonFC | MinceR: That federal government healthcare exchange website that doesn't work... | Nov 02 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | They pass out OOXML. | Nov 02 20:24 |
| MinceR | :> | Nov 02 20:24 |
| DaemonFC | It even manages to crash Calligra Office | Nov 02 20:24 |
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| schestowitz__ | Seen that before | Nov 02 20:33 |
| schestowitz__ | like putting up OOXML spreadsheets and calling that "OPEN DATA" or transparency | Nov 02 20:34 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3232921 | Nov 02 20:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Back Door (Automatic Update) in WordPress and What It Means to Techrights | Nov 02 20:40 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> techrights.org | Back Door (Automatic Update) in WordPress and What It Means to Techrights | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/fyv3a ] | Nov 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz__ | I run my own DNS but the system of compromise seems to be global and designed specifically for this purpose. I am unsure anyone can escape it without an in person key exchange."77" | Nov 02 20:40 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3237759 | Nov 02 20:41 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Tried #Claws and #KMail for the first time in almost a decade. They're far behind #Thunderbird in many ways, but KMail looks nice. | Nov 02 20:41 |
| schestowitz__ | but claws is less ram-cpu eater, so is a good option in 'old' (stable) machines"77" | Nov 02 20:41 |
| schestowitz__ | 'I want to love Kmail, being a KDE fanboi and all, but lack of conversation view is a killer for me. I'm hoping that one of the couple of new FOSS webmail solutions in development will finally give me a FOSS webmail with conversations solution." | Nov 02 20:41 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Nov 02 20:43 |
| schestowitz__ | Got a write up? Kmail is beautiful but it is making a painful transition to databases. The underlying files are still stored in standard formats but everything is moving to Akondi and Nepomuk. My migration to Kmail2 was painful but Kmail itself seems to behave itself now. Nepomuk is a real performance hog for someone like me who has a huge collection of files, but without it turned on I can't search my email! Here are a couple of | Nov 02 20:43 |
| schestowitz__ | things I've written about kmail this year, | Nov 02 20:43 |
| schestowitz__ | http://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/2013/2013_04_10-kmail_has_tabs/ http://173.20.223.180/photo_album/chron/2013/2013_09_28-kmail2_migration/ | Nov 02 20:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | 173.20.223.180 | Index of pictures [ http://ur1.ca/fz644 ] | Nov 02 20:43 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | 173.20.223.180 | Kmail2 and KDE 4.10 Disaster [ http://ur1.ca/fz645 ] | Nov 02 20:43 |
| schestowitz__ | I'm still evaluating Kmail2 but would advise people with lots of mail to try it cautiously. | Nov 02 20:43 |
| schestowitz__ | The sharing between Kmail other free software mail clients like Evolution and Balsa is poor. I've been using maildir and those don't carry over well, especially subdirectories. Did you have any success opening Thunderbird archives with Kmail? | Nov 02 20:43 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Nov 02 20:44 |
| schestowitz__ | "#Icedove on Debian?" | Nov 02 20:44 |
| schestowitz__ | "That is, #icedove if you don't care to have proper timestamps on your incoming/outgoing messages..." | Nov 02 20:44 |
| XFaCE | IIRC, DaemonFC mentioned poor IMAP performance in Kmail | Nov 02 20:44 |
| schestowitz__ | "Real men / women don't need timestamps. We memorize the electromagnetic pattern of every incoming email into our computers and match them up on sight with our emails. Icedove, forever." | Nov 02 20:44 |
| XFaCE | is that still a problem? | Nov 02 20:44 |
| schestowitz__ | maybe | Nov 02 20:44 |
| schestowitz__ | I can't stand akonadi in kmail and other parts of the k organisation tools. That's why I gave up on it fast. | Nov 02 20:45 |
| XFaCE | conversation view is a novelty which I don't care much about | Nov 02 20:45 |
| XFaCE | I just read the reply history within the email itself | Nov 02 20:46 |
| schestowitz__ | I like thunderbird | Nov 02 20:46 |
| schestowitz__ | even tthough some hardware issues botched some parts of it for me | Nov 02 20:46 |
| MinceR | i prefer iceape/seamonkey | Nov 02 20:49 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3233148 | Nov 02 20:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Some teens may indeed be anti-Facebook http://www.techhive.com/article/2059760/some-teens-may-indeed-be-antifacebook.html #facebook | Nov 02 20:51 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.techhive.com | Some teens may indeed be anti-Facebook | TechHive [ http://ur1.ca/fyqqi ] | Nov 02 20:51 |
| schestowitz__ | Don't mind him @Robin. He's got parent issues of his own."777" | Nov 02 20:51 |
| schestowitz__ | MinceR: is seamonkey still being patched? | Nov 02 20:52 |
| MinceR | dunno | Nov 02 20:52 |
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| DaemonFC | Seamonkey is actively developed. | Nov 02 21:07 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/schestowitz/status/396746659314810880 | Nov 02 21:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | @schestowitz: Pussy Riot Member Nadezhda Tolokonnikova Goes Missing During Prison Colony Transfer http://t.co/FO5WXNbpz7 #putinism #russia | Nov 02 21:14 |
| TechrightsBot-tr | -> www.thedailybeast.com | Pussy Riot Member Nadezhda Tolokonnikova Goes Missing During Prison Colony Transfer - The Daily Beast | Nov 02 21:14 |
| schestowitz__ | DaemonFC: hecko-wise? | Nov 02 21:14 |
| schestowitz__ | gecko | Nov 02 21:14 |
| DaemonFC | it shares the Gecko engine of the current Firefox release | Nov 02 21:15 |
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| DaemonFC | If you ever want to be truly depressed..... | Nov 02 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | Post a personal ad on Craigslist and watch what fills your inbox. | Nov 02 21:31 |
| DaemonFC | Of course, knowing me like I do.... | Nov 02 21:32 |
| DaemonFC | I'll step in it again. | Nov 02 21:32 |
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| Snowleaksange | dang @ loose pussy | Nov 02 21:47 |
| Snowleaksange | nice country, snowden | Nov 02 21:47 |
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| DaemonFC | that cat really fucking stinks | Nov 02 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | I wonder what's going on. | Nov 02 22:00 |
| MinceR | Smelly Cat, Smelly Cat, | Nov 02 22:07 |
| MinceR | what are they feeding you? | Nov 02 22:07 |
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| DaemonFC | Oh perfect. | Nov 02 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | filling out a profile on a dating site. | Nov 02 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | Offspring: Doesn't have kids -and- Doesn't want any. | Nov 02 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | :) | Nov 02 23:02 |
| MinceR | gn | Nov 02 23:12 |
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