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msbTo originate content, one needs a real keyboard and a good-sized screen.Apr 20 00:00
msbNot tiny content like tweets, but real text about important things.Apr 20 00:00
MinceRkeyboards can be connected to most mobile devicesApr 20 00:00
cubezzzlike xlib and motif! :)Apr 20 00:00
MinceRand built-in keyboards of laptops are inferior anywayApr 20 00:01
MinceRnone of them use Cherry ML key switchesApr 20 00:01
msbWe should encourage people to get laptops/notebooks, not tablets.Apr 20 00:01
MinceRlaptops and tablets are converging anywayApr 20 00:01
msbMuch better than touchscreens though.Apr 20 00:02
MinceRtouchscreens are just yet another featureApr 20 00:02
msbbut they shouldn't substitute for a keyboardApr 20 00:02
MinceRnot entirely, certainlyApr 20 00:03
msbkeyboard with touchscreen is fineApr 20 00:03
MinceRbut sometimes they work wellApr 20 00:03
MinceRfor example, on my phoneApr 20 00:03
msbbut not for originating contentApr 20 00:03
msbright, you don't write essays on your phoneApr 20 00:03
MinceRor typing when sitting on public transportApr 20 00:03
MinceRon a tabletApr 20 00:03
msbwherever you are, if you're writing real content, and have a lap, you're better off with a laptop than a tabletApr 20 00:04
MinceRholding a laptop on your lap can be rather awkwardApr 20 00:05
MinceRit's better to sit down at a desk and use a mechanical keyboardApr 20 00:05
msbmaybe laptops could have neck straps and belt connectors so you can use them standing up, if neededApr 20 00:05
MinceRthat said, my experiment of replacing my laptop (well, convertible tablet pc) with an arm tablet failedApr 20 00:05
msbyes, but you were talking about on public transport -- no desksApr 20 00:06
MinceRindeedApr 20 00:06
MinceRor we could have belt-mounted keyboards and wearable computers :>Apr 20 00:06
MinceRwith a head up displayApr 20 00:06
msbyepApr 20 00:06
MinceRor direct neural connectionsApr 20 00:06
msbUSB5, back of the neck, like in Ghost in the ShellApr 20 00:07
msb(I made up the USB5 part, but they do have sockets there.)Apr 20 00:07
msbWhat's the resolution of google glass?Apr 20 00:08
cubezzzhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Wearcompevolution.jpg/1024px-Wearcompevolution.jpg Apr 20 00:08
MinceRwikipedia says it's 640x360Apr 20 00:08
msbUsableApr 20 00:09
msbLINC used to be about 40x20 textApr 20 00:09
msb5inch oscilloscopeApr 20 00:10
msbBeard is required.Apr 20 00:12
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msbNo beard, dorky:  http://studenti.fisica.unifi.it/~calamai/images/Techno-Bill.gifApr 20 00:13
cubezzzsimilar to Steve Mann :)Apr 20 00:14
msbWhozzat?Apr 20 00:15
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_head-mounted_displayApr 20 00:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Optical head-mounted display - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h4gcy ]Apr 20 00:15
msbWow, lotsa those!Apr 20 00:16
MinceRindeedApr 20 00:16
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/steve-mann.jpgApr 20 00:17
msbThen I'd learn a one-hand chord keyboard.Apr 20 00:17
MinceRhttp://blog.laptopmag.com/google-glass-alternativesApr 20 00:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.laptopmag.com | Google Glass Alternatives - 2014 Smart Glasses - LAPTOP Magazine [ http://ur1.ca/h4gdz ]Apr 20 00:18
msbDamn firefox crashed and wasn't even using much cpu.  I probably shouldn't have 80 tabs in one of its windows.Apr 20 00:20
MinceR:>Apr 20 00:21
MinceRrecently i've found a way to cut down on tabsApr 20 00:21
cubezzzgoogle glass looks like an OK device for receiving information but you can't really output, at least I don't see any way to do soApr 20 00:21
MinceRit mainly relies on voice recognition for thatApr 20 00:22
MinceRit also has a small touchpadApr 20 00:22
MinceRhttp://www.smartglassesnews.org/smart-glasses/Apr 20 00:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smartglassesnews.org | Compare Smart Glasses - Smart Glasses News [ http://ur1.ca/h4gfi ]Apr 20 00:23
MinceRa sufficiently smart "smart glass" could be used with some sort of keyboard, thoughApr 20 00:24
msbThe glasses should just be an output device.  Computer in ones pocket, on the belt, etc.  Much less weight on the face.Apr 20 00:26
msbgloves with sensors could act as a keyboard and implement QWERTY.Apr 20 00:30
msbNo retraining needed.Apr 20 00:31
MinceRhttp://readwrite.com/2013/10/30/five-face-saving-alternatives-to-google-glassApr 20 00:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-readwrite.com | Five Face-Saving Alternatives To Google Glass – ReadWrite [ http://ur1.ca/h4gii ]Apr 20 00:31
msbThanks for all this great HUD info!  I'm just saving the urls write now because I don't want FF to crash again.  I have to clean out a lot of those tabs.Apr 20 00:33
msbright nowApr 20 00:33
MinceRnpApr 20 00:33
cubezzzI guess I'm always very memory conservativeApr 20 00:33
cubezzzI never use more than 4 tabs, and sometimes I don't even use firefoxApr 20 00:34
MinceRi've found it's easier to move tabs to bookmarks if i can determine the scroll percentage via the Scroll Progress extension and write it into the titleApr 20 00:34
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/basic-linux-3-is-lean-and-mean.pngApr 20 00:34
msbI have plenty more memory, but I think ff constantly cycles thru all the tabs and goes nuts if there are too many,Apr 20 00:35
cubezzz16 megs baby :)Apr 20 00:35
cubezzzyou want more colour?Apr 20 00:36
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/linux-486.jpgApr 20 00:36
MinceRicewm is nice :)Apr 20 00:37
cubezzzI'm pretty sure even BL3 could be improved uponApr 20 00:38
msbI keep leaving pages in tabs to look at later, but I forget to.  Apr 20 00:38
MinceRi did that a lotApr 20 00:40
MinceRespecially if i have already read part of itApr 20 00:40
MinceRi figured i could save them to files and print them to pdfs and let my pdf reader remember where i scrolled themApr 20 00:40
MinceRbut it was too much work so i didn't really do itApr 20 00:40
MinceRScroll Progress makes it a lot easier :)Apr 20 00:40
msbgood for lots of text in a page!Apr 20 00:41
msbTablet in the pocket with lots of RAM and SDRAM, running Linux, HUD and chord-keyboard or sensor gloves.  Wow, this could be doable right now!Apr 20 00:44
msbHow much do those good HUD glasses cost?Apr 20 00:45
MinceRdunnoApr 20 00:45
MinceRmany of them aren't even for sale yetApr 20 00:46
msbAre there any tablets that run regular x86 Linux instead of ARM?Apr 20 00:46
MinceRwell, the ThinkPad X Series Tablets can do that and are x86Apr 20 00:48
MinceRbut they're on the heavy sideApr 20 00:48
msbOf course there's the problem of batteries.Apr 20 00:48
MinceRthere's this >> http://linuxgizmos.com/kids-tablet-runs-android-4-4-on-64-bit-intel-atom/Apr 20 00:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Kids tablet runs Android 4.4 on 64-bit Intel Atom ·  LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/h4god ]Apr 20 00:49
MinceRbut i don't know if it can run GNU and XApr 20 00:49
MinceRthere's the ThinkPad Helix but i don't know if it will run GNU and XApr 20 00:51
cubezzzthere was a zaurus that ran XApr 20 00:51
msbHave you guys seen this movie?  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0280674/combinedApr 20 00:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | The First $20 Million Is Always the Hardest (2002) [ http://ur1.ca/h4gow ]Apr 20 00:51
MinceRthere was also the series of nokia "internet tablets" (sized like pdas)Apr 20 00:52
MinceRnot yetApr 20 00:52
cubezzzI think SL-700 and higherApr 20 00:52
msbFictional, but has some good hacking and innovative I/O.  Definitely worth watching.Apr 20 00:52
msbLaser hologram display with finger tracking when you stick you finger in the hologram.Apr 20 00:53
msbAnd sensor gloves on a different machine.Apr 20 00:54
cubezzzjust put motion sensors on your finger tipsApr 20 00:54
MinceRyou might also need force feedbackApr 20 00:54
cubezzzit's interesting the touch screen desk from Tron never appearedApr 20 00:55
cubezzzas far as I knowApr 20 00:55
msbdoesn't ms have some kind of touchscreen desk?Apr 20 00:56
MinceRthey (and others) have touchscreen tablesApr 20 00:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leveraging Cloud, Open Source To Aid EmbattledApr 20 00:56
TweetTuxMachines                 IT http://t.co/1qGOYczqdXApr 20 00:56
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cubezzzMicrosoft == Encom? :)Apr 20 00:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leveraging Cloud, Open Source To Aid Embattled IT | Tux MachinesApr 20 00:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     today's howtos http://t.co/W18gQ8BMVQApr 20 00:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesApr 20 00:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Software http://t.co/sQl7ORZXwHApr 20 00:56
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux MachinesApr 20 00:56
cubezzzI guess Microsoft is evil enough to be the MCPApr 20 00:57
msbTo want to be, at least.Apr 20 00:58
cubezzzthere's the Optimus TactusApr 20 01:00
cubezzzno restrictions on keyboard size or shapeApr 20 01:00
msbThere was a two-player game in BASIC like that motorcycle-make-walls game in TRON.Apr 20 01:00
cubezzzhttp://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/tactus/Apr 20 01:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.artlebedev.com | Optimus Tactus keyboard [ http://ur1.ca/916ki ]Apr 20 01:01
cubezzzall those types of games derived from Atari DominosApr 20 01:02
msbI might have programmed the one in BASIC, called it SNAKES.  Very simple to program.Apr 20 01:04
cubezzzsorry, there's an earlier one... Blockade by Gremlin, 1976Apr 20 01:07
cubezzzalso ksnakerace :)Apr 20 01:09
msbI didn't say I invented it.  8^)Apr 20 01:10
cubezzzno, I realize thatApr 20 01:10
cubezzzI just meant Blockade predates DominosApr 20 01:10
cubezzzI'm sure many people have programmed a snake type gameApr 20 01:11
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MinceRthat was the m$ munchkin from last timeApr 20 02:32
MinceRgnApr 20 02:38
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SilverSlimerSo why are we boycotting Novell? (other than the fact that its products are generally awful)Apr 20 02:56
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WorkingWhat do you guys talk about here?Apr 20 03:49
WorkingHello?Apr 20 03:50
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schestowitz_bed2[03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> @qu1j0t3         Maddow covers the Sagebrush Rebellion.Apr 20 07:56
schestowitz_bed2[03:01] <TweetSchestowitz>                 #MustWatch Some of the craziest shit I've everApr 20 07:56
schestowitz_bed2[03:01] <TweetSchestowitz>                 seen from USA #ThatsSayingALotApr 20 07:56
schestowitz_bed2[03:01] <TweetSchestowitz>                 http://t.co/DLxUJ9BxAaApr 20 07:56
schestowitz_bed2[03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> @qu1j0t3         Maddow covers the Sagebrush Rebellion.Apr 20 07:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-video.msnbc.msn.com | Threat of armed conflict subdues in Nevada - Video on NBCNews.comApr 20 07:56
schestowitz_bed2[03:01] <TweetSchestowitz>                 #MustWatch Some of the craziest shit I've everApr 20 07:56
schestowitz_bed2[03:01] <TweetSchestowitz>                 seen from USA #ThatsSayingALotApr 20 07:56
schestowitz_bed2[03:01] <TweetSchestowitz>                 http://t.co/DLxUJ9BxAaApr 20 07:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Create Vector Graphics with Open SourceApr 20 08:00
TweetTuxMachines                 Software http://t.co/6PJjTqTroXApr 20 08:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Create Vector Graphics with Open Source Software | Tux MachinesApr 20 08:00
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     AMD Is Disabling DPM Support For RV770 GPUsApr 20 08:00
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/P45W9tpRqzApr 20 08:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD Is Disabling DPM Support For RV770 GPUs | Tux MachinesApr 20 08:00
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schestowitzI finally know why files were being deleted from my server: https://drupal.org/node/277589Apr 20 10:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-drupal.org | Uploaded files deleted on cronjob [#277589] | Drupal.orgApr 20 10:25
schestowitzWhat a bizarre thing to be doingApr 20 10:25
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/reactos/status/457811220952014848Apr 20 10:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@reactos: ImagineIfMercedesBeganSueingFordBecauseThey"copied"TheWhole"Car"Concept.I'veRemovedTheSpaceBarFromMyPCJustinCase.@DrTuxWang @schestowitzApr 20 10:30
schestowitzhttp://www.tweaktown.com/news/37149/heat-seeking-drones-are-getting-the-420-on-weed-in-the-uk/index.htmlApr 20 10:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tweaktown.com | Heat-seeking drones are getting the 420 on weed in the UK [ http://ur1.ca/h4k44 ]Apr 20 10:35
schestowitzhttp://freepressjournal.in/not-planning-to-take-over-alaska-jokes-putin/Apr 20 10:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freepressjournal.in | Not planning to take over Alaska, jokes Putin - Free Press Journal [ http://ur1.ca/h4k78 ]Apr 20 10:54
schestowitzLOL: http://www.govexec.com/management/2014/04/analysis-we-need-more-secrecy/82798/?oref=dropdownApr 20 11:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.govexec.com | Analysis: We Need More Secrecy - Management - GovExec.com [ http://ur1.ca/h4kao ]Apr 20 11:17
schestowitzreducing incenstive to theft at the expense of tech rights in phones http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/180845-carriers-commit-to-kill-switches-by-2015-but-ruin-implementation-to-protect-profitApr 20 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.extremetech.com | Carriers commit to kill switches by 2015, but ruin implementation to protect profit | ExtremeTech [ http://ur1.ca/h4kb6 ]Apr 20 11:19
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msb__People suspect that the real purpose of the cell-phone kill switch is to allow government to erase witness evidence of police brutality and other govt abuses:  http://www.activistpost.com/2014/04/kill-switch-included-on-all-cell-phones.htmlApr 20 11:54
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.activistpost.com | Activist Post: ‘Kill Switch’ Included on All Cell Phones Made in U.S. by 2015 [ http://ur1.ca/h49ne ]Apr 20 11:55
msb__Look at this video of the Bundy ranch protest (1.3 million views).  Many people are holding up little black objects.  Those are cell phones on which they're recording and witnessing the actions of the soldiers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhJ6H9vlEDA Apr 20 12:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Ranch Riot!! Bundy Ranch Protesters Tasered by Federal Agents and Attacked by K9's. - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/h4km7 ]Apr 20 12:11
MinceRgeekingsApr 20 12:30
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux 3.15 Lands Some DRM Graphics Driver FixesApr 20 13:05
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 3.15 Lands Some DRM Graphics Driver Fixes | Tux MachinesApr 20 13:05
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MinceRhttps://plus.google.com/+jwildeboer/posts/RCw6yMuwzhBApr 20 15:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-plus.google.com | Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - Everybody remember the port 32764 backdoor in various… [ http://ur1.ca/h4llj ]Apr 20 15:21
Sosumithe guys from the ufaa seem to also be targeting bill gatesApr 20 16:10
Sosumihttp://images.gasbuddy.com/images/blogimages/20120118124442toll.jpgApr 20 16:10
Sosumibill gatesApr 20 16:10
Sosumiif you go through one of thoseApr 20 16:10
Sosumiyou get billedApr 20 16:10
MinceRi see what you did thereApr 20 16:10
Sosumi:)Apr 20 16:10
Sosumilet me see if I can find the tweetApr 20 16:11
Sosumihttps://twitter.com/TaxWallStParty/status/457579582363688960Apr 20 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TaxWallStParty: A vote for #Hillary is a vote for #gates! http://t.co/we3Lw9PXBv #Gates We can do much better! #p2 #jobs #equality http://t.co/7ydvzDUj4zApr 20 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@EmperorBill: @GetUpStandUp2 @MSGunderson @ThePiercedBear @lapham_katie @McFiredogg Surprise! A vote for #Hillary is a vote for me! http://t.co/e6t5WflTLzApr 20 16:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> againstausterity.org | Welcome | United Front Against AusterityApr 20 16:13
MinceRwhy is a vote for hillarious a vote for gate$?Apr 20 16:15
Sosumino ideaApr 20 16:16
SosumiI guess I need to update myself again in US politricksApr 20 16:17
MinceRtell me when you knowApr 20 16:18
SosumiyeahApr 20 16:18
cubezzzpoliticians suck up to GatesApr 20 16:27
MinceRand they're bought by gatesApr 20 16:28
cubezzz"How should we run our schools Mr Gates?"Apr 20 16:28
Sosumiho yes the charter schools thingApr 20 16:28
MinceRWhat Do You Want Us To Buy Today?™Apr 20 16:28
cubezzzwell these days it's windows 8.1 :-/Apr 20 16:29
Sosumibill and mellinda gates foundation is a heavy supporter of thoseApr 20 16:29
Sosumiwindows 8.1 is actually goodApr 20 16:30
MinceRfor me to poop onApr 20 16:30
Sosumiif you're DrPizza_Apr 20 16:30
Sosumi:)Apr 20 16:30
cubezzzoh yeah and that secure boot thingie is greatApr 20 16:30
Sosumilove itApr 20 16:31
cubezzzplus not having source code, that's the cherry on topApr 20 16:31
Sosumiand I love it more when I update my mobo's firmware I lose the boot pointer for the OSApr 20 16:32
Sosumiforcing me to reinstall grubApr 20 16:32
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/secure-boot.txtApr 20 16:32
Sosumibut that doesn't happen with windowsApr 20 16:32
cubezzzhmmm, I can't say I've ever had that happenApr 20 16:33
SosumiI just wish the ppl responsible for thatApr 20 16:33
Sosumijust got run over by a carApr 20 16:34
Sosumior had a ton of angry cats fall on top of themApr 20 16:34
SosumidunoApr 20 16:34
cubezzzthere's some talk of using secure boot to lock out windowsApr 20 16:35
Sosumilock out windows?Apr 20 16:36
Sosumiisn't it locking out gnu/linuxApr 20 16:36
cubezzzone replaces microsoft's cryptographic keys that ship with windows 8 and then sign only the software the user wants to run on their machineApr 20 16:36
SosumiI've been saying that all alongApr 20 16:37
Sosumilet the user sign and backup the keys/bios settings to an usb flash diskApr 20 16:38
cubezzzso far you can turn off secure bootApr 20 16:39
cubezzzbut your idea is goodApr 20 16:39
cubezzzI know my bios settings well, so saving them isn't a big dealApr 20 16:40
cubezzzI sometimes switch between linux and freedosApr 20 16:40
cubezzznow, if I could have "set bios settings for freedos" and "set bios settings for linux" that would be coolApr 20 16:42
SosumiyepApr 20 16:44
cubezzzthere's a coreboot utility called nvramtool that may be able to do thatApr 20 16:44
Sosumithat could be called bios profilesApr 20 16:44
Sosumianother way is to use a board with two biosesApr 20 16:45
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Safety you can bank on: Chromebook, Linux,Apr 20 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 phone http://t.co/JcC3HkRtFxApr 20 16:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Safety you can bank on: Chromebook, Linux, phone | Tux MachinesApr 20 16:46
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Adobe's Open Source Tightrope WalkApr 20 16:46
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/W1LJi7B0WHApr 20 16:46
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Adobe's Open Source Tightrope Walk | Tux MachinesApr 20 16:46
Sosumino, absolutely notApr 20 16:46
Sosumiyou can't bank your safety on a chromebookApr 20 16:47
Sosumiunless you've installed a regular gnu/linux distro on itApr 20 16:47
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cubezzzthere's also some coreboot support for chromebooksApr 20 16:53
cubezzzin fact, I think they all come with coreboot built-in except for the first 3 modelsApr 20 16:53
Sosumino ideaApr 20 16:54
cubezzzit looks promising and google does seem to like corebootApr 20 16:56
cubezzzI'll have to try it sometimeApr 20 16:56
schestowitzhttp://indiandefence.com/threads/will-china-use-russian-style-tactics-to-settle-territorial-disputes-in-asia.45782/Apr 20 17:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-indiandefence.com | Will China Use Russian-Style Tactics to Settle Territorial Disputes in Asia? | Indian Defence Forum [ http://ur1.ca/h4n30 ]Apr 20 17:06
schestowitz[16:27] <cubezzz> politicians suck up to GatesApr 20 17:07
schestowitzThey have a sixth sense for potential (future) bribesApr 20 17:07
schestowitzThey rely on people like Gates funding them for OfficeApr 20 17:07
gulag2014You have articles on these Bribes? I'm not doubting you, but this is a brand new low for MS corp.Apr 20 17:08
cubezzzhttp://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=364Apr 20 17:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.corporatewatch.org | Microsoft : Influence / LobbyingApr 20 17:11
cubezzzcall it subverting democracy if you prefer :)Apr 20 17:12
cubezzz"The Initiative for Software Choice"Apr 20 17:13
gulag2014Simply amazing, thank you. As if I needed another reason to boycott. I have a few files that just don't display well in other office suites. I'm actively looking for replacements. Apr 20 17:15
cubezzzcampaign donations were "stepped up" 1999-2000Apr 20 17:15
cubezzzI've talked to some former microsoft guysApr 20 17:15
cubezzzsome are openingly blogging against their former employerApr 20 17:16
schestowitzthat's a good signApr 20 17:17
schestowitzthey're sort of defectingApr 20 17:17
schestowitzand this can shift public opinionApr 20 17:17
cubezzzsome are yesApr 20 17:17
schestowitzI was shown that even MS Jack started ptromoting non-MS productsApr 20 17:17
cubezzzthose without stock options and low on the totem pole :)Apr 20 17:17
gulag2014There must be censorship attempts. I read a few weeks back MS was paying Youtube personalities to post good reviews for the Xbox One. Apr 20 17:18
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gulag2014MS Jack?Apr 20 17:18
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cubezzzmicrosoft should have been broken upApr 20 17:21
cubezzzsomeone pulled some serious strings thereApr 20 17:21
gulag2014I was listening to the "Mike Tech Show" earlier. He mentioned they neglected to add a print function to the Ipad version of Office. You would have to save it to one drive and print to another device. How do release software missing such a basic feature?Apr 20 17:21
cubezzzeverything came to a head on June 7, 2000Apr 20 17:22
gulag2014I know that is trivial, it's just another example of releasing half baked products. Apr 20 17:22
cubezzzthey were really going to do itApr 20 17:22
cubezzzbroken into two units: one to produce the operating system and one to produce other softwareApr 20 17:23
cubezzzthe US Sumpreme Court declined to hear Microsoft's appealApr 20 17:23
cubezzzso it went back to the DC circuit court of appealsApr 20 17:24
cubezzzwhich overturned Judge Jackson's rulings against MicrosoftApr 20 17:24
cubezzzso on Sept 6, 2001 the DOJ announces that Microsoft will not be broken upApr 20 17:25
gulag2014I wasn't aware of that. What interest would it be of the United States Government to keep MS as one entity?Apr 20 17:25
MinceRbreaking up might not be sufficientApr 20 17:26
MinceRespecially considering how tightly entwined with each other the parts areApr 20 17:26
cubezzzit would have helped :)Apr 20 17:26
MinceRthey'd just have one part hack everything up and package it in dlls and then all the other parts just put loaders on itApr 20 17:26
MinceR(like iexplore.exe)Apr 20 17:26
MinceRbut it would probably be a step in the right directionApr 20 17:27
cubezzzsome folks argue that "the market should decide"Apr 20 17:27
cubezzzthat's basically what we have Apr 20 17:27
MinceRmaybe m$ should let the market decide, thenApr 20 17:27
MinceRinstead of forcing itApr 20 17:28
cubezzzof course the Big M manipulates all the OEMs, yesApr 20 17:28
cubezzzthe DOJ screwed up royallyApr 20 17:28
msb__And manipulates the public with lying ads.Apr 20 17:28
MinceRand bribes governmentsApr 20 17:28
cubezzzbribes or lobby'sApr 20 17:29
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initiative_for_Software_ChoiceApr 20 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Initiative for Software Choice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h4nhg ]Apr 20 17:31
gulag2014So what do you think MS next big plan would be. Cloud services with everyones data stored with them, subscription models for even the Operating System?Apr 20 17:31
cubezzzgulag2014, naturallyApr 20 17:32
cubezzzthey're running microsoft cloud commercials on broadcast television right nowApr 20 17:32
gulag2014Oh, haha. I don't watch tv. Apr 20 17:32
cubezzzPerens talks about ISCApr 20 17:33
cubezzzthat kicked in around 2002Apr 20 17:33
gulag2014I watched there last tech conference it was all about innovations in services. Not much was mentioned about adding any value to the "User"Apr 20 17:33
msb__Maybe they'll go thru the cloud data and blackmail people if they're, e.g., closeted gay, like Scientology does.Apr 20 17:33
gulag2014That is a scary possibility, but they promise not to read anymore of your e-mails. Apr 20 17:34
Sosumihttps://twitter.com/charlescwcooke/status/457911456634122240Apr 20 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@charlescwcooke: I wrote a cover story on Michael Mann for National Review. "The Climate Inquisitor." http://t.co/dehWMps3PsApr 20 17:34
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Sosumigot to love the coverApr 20 17:35
MinceRand we already know how much their promises meanApr 20 17:35
MinceR*and we already know how much their promises are worthApr 20 17:35
cubezzzit's worth it to follow Perens and Moglen, they know the scoreApr 20 17:35
Sosumileprechaun in the hood, when we are bad, we are goodApr 20 17:36
cubezzzEdgar Villanueva proposed standardizing on free softwareApr 20 17:37
cubezzze.g. the government shouldn't use propretary software since everyone has to deal with the governmentApr 20 17:37
cubezzze.g. government web sites shouldn't be IE onlyApr 20 17:38
gulag2014Give an example? I have never had any issues. Not that I frequent government websites for entertainment. Apr 20 17:41
cubezzzwell this is a small example but a while ago I had to pay a parking ticketApr 20 17:41
cubezzzthe municipal web site for paying parking tickets was IE onlyApr 20 17:42
cubezzzeven if you used windows with firefox it wouldn't work :)Apr 20 17:42
cubezzzbut I'm in Canada and so far the federal government web sites seem OKApr 20 17:43
gulag2014That's interesting. I do remember my state unemployment site asking for IE. Apr 20 17:43
msb__What if you just change the browser ID strings so it says IE?  Will that work?Apr 20 17:44
msb__strings--> stringApr 20 17:45
gulag2014My understanding is the site is written for certain browser. I think there was a company that would charged people more if they continued using any Version of IE under 8, to pay for the extra time. Apr 20 17:47
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cubezzzin the case of the parking ticket changing the browser ID string didn't workApr 20 18:10
cubezzzI don't see it happen often these daysApr 20 18:10
DaemonFCGoogle finally has me using Chrome as my main browser.Apr 20 18:10
DaemonFCIt's just a little too convenient when you have a bunch of other Google devices... :)Apr 20 18:11
gulag2014Oh the horror, yes if you live in the Google Universe, I would bet Chrome is quite useful. It is nice to have all your bookmarks synced. Apr 20 18:14
cubezzzI reject cloud computingApr 20 18:15
gulag2014I use it sparingly.Apr 20 18:16
cubezzzin the past computers were expensive, hence time sharing was necessaryApr 20 18:18
gulag2014I do remember, and disk space was expensive. What are we up to now, 6 Tb drives?Apr 20 18:19
DaemonFCI use it to share pictures and move my documents to the library computer to be printed.Apr 20 18:20
cubezzzin 1990 I had a 52 meg drive Apr 20 18:20
DaemonFCThey have a no thumbdrive policy.Apr 20 18:20
cubezzznow I have a bunch of 40 gig onesApr 20 18:20
cubezzzbut I use old tech a lot, so I'm atypical :)Apr 20 18:21
gulag2014I don't keep up with gadgets they way I used to. The biggest improvement for me has been SSD drives. I have avoided having to buy a new machine with one upgrade. Apr 20 18:22
cubezzzyou can get a ssd, 240 gigsApr 20 18:23
cubezzzfor around 100 bucksApr 20 18:23
gulag2014They are finally coming down. I was happy when it was $1 a gig. Apr 20 18:23
DaemonFCThat's the big problem with a Chromebook.Apr 20 18:24
gulag2014Maybe I can hold out and get a 500 for $100 in a few years.Apr 20 18:24
DaemonFCGreat computers, but Google decided to not support normal printers.Apr 20 18:24
gulag2014You can't use a normal network printer on Chromebooks?Apr 20 18:25
DaemonFCYou have to either buy a Google Cloud Print compatible printer, or install some Windows or Mac software and let them send the print job to your desktop computer.Apr 20 18:25
DaemonFCnopeApr 20 18:25
cubezzzI'm sort of a computing minimalist, I've done a lot of work trying to figure out how to run linux in low memory systemsApr 20 18:25
gulag2014What is that Google Cloud Print about?Apr 20 18:25
DaemonFCI like the Chromebook in general though.Apr 20 18:25
*cubezzz pats his dot matrix :)Apr 20 18:26
DaemonFCgulag2014: Instead of using CUPS and supporting regular printer drivers, the Chromebook and Android phones send the print job to Google, which sends it back over the internet to a compatible printer.Apr 20 18:26
gulag2014I liked the keyboard on the chromebook I played with. I had intentions on putting a light linux distro on one eventually.Apr 20 18:26
DaemonFCThat way, you have to share all your print jobs with Google and probably buy a new printer as well.Apr 20 18:26
DaemonFCIt's pretty bogus.Apr 20 18:26
gulag2014I don't like that idea of sending my print jobs to G at all.Apr 20 18:27
cubezzzand no parallel port I'd assume?Apr 20 18:27
DaemonFCof course notApr 20 18:27
cubezzz:)Apr 20 18:27
DaemonFCIf you try hooking up a normal printer through USB, the Chromebook opens a browser tab that loads a page that advertises Cloud Print.Apr 20 18:27
gulag2014Well can you save the file to usb, and print on a printer with a usb input?Apr 20 18:27
DaemonFCYeah. I don't see why not.Apr 20 18:27
cubezzzbah, just replace the osApr 20 18:28
DaemonFCI hate buying printer ink.Apr 20 18:28
gulag2014Haha...Apr 20 18:28
DaemonFCI just upload the documents to Google Drive and then print them off at the library.Apr 20 18:28
DaemonFCIt's still only 10 cents a page for black and white, and 20 cents for color.Apr 20 18:28
DaemonFCIt's a public library, so they don't have to operate at a profit. :)Apr 20 18:28
gulag2014I stopped buying printer ink. It's not worth it, because I just don't print often enough. I'm fine paying ten cents a page somewhere else.Apr 20 18:28
DaemonFCYeah. I only have a few print jobs per year.Apr 20 18:29
DaemonFCI probably pay the library less than $4 a year to print stuff.Apr 20 18:29
DaemonFCThey're like a block away from my house.Apr 20 18:29
DaemonFCPrinter ink is outrageously expensive.Apr 20 18:29
gulag2014It's $60 dollars for the ink for my Canon, I paid $80 for the printer. Apr 20 18:29
DaemonFCYeah...Apr 20 18:30
DaemonFCAnd HP printer cartridges have a time bomb built in.Apr 20 18:30
cubezzzwow that sounds like a great dealApr 20 18:30
DaemonFCAfter several months, they won't print and they trigger an "out of ink" message.Apr 20 18:30
gulag2014I still use it to scan stuff, other than that, I would have donated it. Apr 20 18:30
Sosumilaser printers are the way to goApr 20 18:30
DaemonFCThey might have 90% of the ink left and they'll say "Out of ink".Apr 20 18:30
DaemonFCIt's a major fucking ripoff designed to make you buy ink cartridges every so often, no matter how much or little you print.Apr 20 18:31
gulag2014My printer won't allow me to print grayscale without the other color cartridges. That rots of greed. Apr 20 18:31
DaemonFCHP lets you print black and white with the tricolor cartridge.Apr 20 18:31
gulag2014Agreed, Laser printers if I ever buy a new one.Apr 20 18:31
DaemonFCBut black looks better if you have a black ink cartridge as well.Apr 20 18:31
cubezzzIBM 3203 printer example:Apr 20 18:32
DaemonFCalso, most of them have anti-refill technologyApr 20 18:32
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/vm-sp-with-rexx.jpgApr 20 18:32
DaemonFCHP's time bomb keeps you from refilling themApr 20 18:32
DaemonFCafter like 6 months, they just refuse to print anything, even if you have original ink left in themApr 20 18:32
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gulag2014They all have rfid chips or some mechanism to avoid, fake cartridges now right?Apr 20 18:33
DaemonFCThey realized that people were spending $5 to refill instead of $60 for new cartridges.Apr 20 18:33
DaemonFCSo they put a stop to that. :PApr 20 18:33
DaemonFCgulag2014: They have a chip in them that records the day of the first print job.Apr 20 18:33
DaemonFCAfter so many days, the printer will stop allowing you to use that cartridge.Apr 20 18:34
gulag2014My goodness. Unbelievable Apr 20 18:34
DaemonFCI found that out when I had half a carttridge of ink left and the printer kept throwing "out of ink", "buy more here".Apr 20 18:34
gulag2014Buy more here, haha. The HP software brings you to their websiteApr 20 18:35
cubezzzHP used to be goodApr 20 18:35
DaemonFCgulag2014: Yeah. It even gives you a clickable link in the error message.Apr 20 18:35
DaemonFCSo, the library is a better deal all the time.Apr 20 18:35
DaemonFCEvery time the printer companies find a new way to fuck you.Apr 20 18:36
gulag2014Unreal, I hated HP on my Windows 7 box. It loaded so much useless bloat. Linux network printing and no bloatware. Apr 20 18:36
gulag2014I have spent more time fighting with HP printers for friends and family, than I have with virus removal. Apr 20 18:37
DaemonFCYeah. Their Windows driver is awful.Apr 20 18:38
DaemonFCThe driver itself is only like 10-15 MB....something like that.Apr 20 18:38
DaemonFCBut, it installs several hundred MB of shovelware and trial crap.Apr 20 18:39
DaemonFCIt takes about an hour to install it.Apr 20 18:39
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gulag2014Right! So why is the download suite like 300 mb +Apr 20 18:39
DaemonFCgulag2014: Mostly because of Windows XP.Apr 20 18:39
cubezzzright, why would you want to use windows again?Apr 20 18:39
DaemonFCXP didn't have any built in software to take advantage of all-in-one printers.Apr 20 18:40
DaemonFCWell, it did, sort of, but it reflects where those were in 2001.Apr 20 18:40
gulag2014Exactly, I don't miss HP software, that you can never remove. Nagging Java and Flash updates. Apr 20 18:40
cubezzzit's not even that hard to write a printer or scanner programApr 20 18:40
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DaemonFCSo, the printer makers had to include software that made up for deficiencies in Windows. Especially, Windows XP.Apr 20 18:40
cubezzzMicrosoft just tries to take advantage of lazy non-thinking peopleApr 20 18:41
DaemonFCOn GNU/Linux, the HP printer bundle isn't very big, and you don't have to use bloatware to access the functionality of the printer.Apr 20 18:41
schestowitz__We seem to have a problem when companies like WalMartASDA race to the bottom, taking the rest with themApr 20 18:41
gulag2014I had my friend printing in two minutes when I installed Mint on his system. Apr 20 18:42
DaemonFCI believe that on GNU/Linux, the bundle is under 30 MB and it supports almost every HP printer that connects over USB,Apr 20 18:42
DaemonFCI was using the hplip bundle with an HP printer I bought in 2002 until just a couple of years ago.Apr 20 18:42
DaemonFCI think that part of the problem that Cloud Print is designed to work around is that some printer makers don't offer GNU/Linux drivers at all.Apr 20 18:43
DaemonFCand Chrome OS is a variant of GNU/LinuxApr 20 18:43
DaemonFCSo, Canon printers, for example.... Those might not work.Apr 20 18:43
DaemonFCSo, instead of explaining why HP printers are supported, but Canon isn't, we have Cloud Print instead.Apr 20 18:43
DaemonFCI don't like Cloud Print, because I don't want to buy a new printer.Apr 20 18:44
DaemonFCThey could have supported traditional printer setups that have GNU/Linux drivers, and sent the user to Cloud Print if they didn't have a good printer.Apr 20 18:44
gulag2014Are you using the Chromebook now?Apr 20 18:45
DaemonFCNot right now.Apr 20 18:45
DaemonFCThey have an IRC client that it built on top of Chrome, but it's not real good.Apr 20 18:45
DaemonFCIt works...Apr 20 18:45
DaemonFCI suppose there's no reason why it couldn't be fully-featured though.Apr 20 18:46
DaemonFCWith further development, it might be.Apr 20 18:46
gulag2014Oh, Well I'm surprised they attempted to include one. So have you investigate installing Ubuntu or another distro on it?Apr 20 18:46
DaemonFCThey don't. It's called CIRC, and it's in the chrome store.Apr 20 18:48
DaemonFCI believe it is open source though.Apr 20 18:48
DaemonFCYou *can* install Ubuntu or Fedora on the Acer C720, but it doesn't have much storage on the SSD, because it's meant to run Chrome OS, which doesn't need a lot of storage.Apr 20 18:48
gulag2014I hate to say this, but anything that takes money away from MS is a great start. I'm not a huge fan of android or the Chromebook, but It's a start. Apr 20 18:49
DaemonFCYou can put it in developer mode and boot a real GNU/Linux distribution from the USB drive though.Apr 20 18:49
DaemonFCIt has a USB 3 and a USB 2 port.Apr 20 18:49
DaemonFCYou could buy a USB 3 thumbdrive and boot Fedora from there without disturbing Chrome OS.Apr 20 18:49
cubezzzI hacked up some chromebook info here:Apr 20 18:49
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/chromebook-prices.txtApr 20 18:50
gulag2014Yes, I don't even have usb 3. That is one of the features that intrigued me on such an affordable device. Apr 20 18:50
DaemonFCThe good part about the C720 is that you can get it on refurb for about $150.Apr 20 18:50
DaemonFCI got $5 worth of points on my Amazon credit card for that, so it works out to $145 for mine.Apr 20 18:50
DaemonFCI also got my cable modem/router on Amazon because the price cratered.Apr 20 18:51
DaemonFCOnly $99, and I got my triple points on that too.Apr 20 18:51
gulag2014That is extremely affordable. I just may hold out and see what System 76's offerings are a year from now. Apr 20 18:51
DaemonFCI had to go to Comcast's Fort Wayne office to drop off their modem.Apr 20 18:51
DaemonFCIt looked like the welfare office from Cheech and Chong's Up in Smoke.Apr 20 18:51
DaemonFCIt was pretty nasty.Apr 20 18:51
gulag2014Oh good. What are the rental fees now. Last I heard it was $7 dollars a month. Apr 20 18:52
DaemonFC$8 a monthApr 20 18:52
DaemonFCSo, you pay $99 once for the Netgear N450 or you pay $8 a month forever.Apr 20 18:52
DaemonFCIt seems to work a lot better than Comcast's equipment.Apr 20 18:53
DaemonFCI haven't had this one knock me offline once yet.Apr 20 18:53
gulag2014What? Why? I can't justify anyone doing that. Not when you can get a Motorola for $80 on sale. Apr 20 18:53
DaemonFCThe wifi signal is better.Apr 20 18:53
cubezzzgulag2014, you might find this interestingApr 20 18:54
DaemonFCThey recommended a Motorola one, but it was going to be about $170 for the one they wanted me to buy.Apr 20 18:54
DaemonFCThe Motorola had a 3 star certification from Comcast, while the Netgear had a 1 start certification.Apr 20 18:54
cubezzzit's a list of all bad stuff from Microsoft I've come across over the yearsApr 20 18:54
DaemonFCI have yet to experience any problems with the Netgear though.Apr 20 18:54
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/ms-dirtytricks.txtApr 20 18:54
gulag2014Scummy, complete ignorance of the consumer to do a simple Google search. Apr 20 18:54
DaemonFCCable modem companies hate Comcast certification.Apr 20 18:55
DaemonFCOne of them was complaining that it's basically just a way to make the time to market so bad that more people rent.Apr 20 18:55
DaemonFCand to get money out of them for the privilege of being "certified".Apr 20 18:55
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gulag2014I had no problem for six years with an old Motorola surfboard version one. The modem companies promise great throughput, but if you are not paying for 100 mb's down it doesn't matter. Apr 20 18:56
gulag2014I think the one I own maxes out at 40 mb. I was lucky to get 5, to ten, when I was paying for 15 to 20 down. I had really spotty service with Comcast. Apr 20 18:58
DaemonFCComcast's certification is just a big joke.Apr 20 18:59
DaemonFCThey brag that all of the equipment they lease out is 3 star certified.Apr 20 18:59
DaemonFCThen it crashes, resets itself, knocks you offline....Apr 20 19:00
DaemonFCThe Arris gateway they had me using seems to have no quality of service support.Apr 20 19:00
gulag2014I would wake up in he middle of the night to no service. They would place the blame on my router and modem. Even though it worked the other 16 hours of the day perfectly.Apr 20 19:00
DaemonFCIf you're downloading something, it will take all your bandwidth and you can't do anything else until the download is finished.Apr 20 19:00
DaemonFCbecause their modem isn't smart enough to prioritize other trafficApr 20 19:01
gulag2014I believe that. They magically have enough bandwith for Netflix, now that Netflix paid them. Apr 20 19:01
DaemonFCYeah. Their certification process for modems is like the debt rating agencies saying that subprime mortgages were AAA investments.Apr 20 19:01
DaemonFCIt lets Comcast get these cheap no name modems that are completely terrible, rent them out for $8 a month, and say they're 3 star certified on Comcast's network.Apr 20 19:02
gulag2014So it's just a fraud basically. Ontop of the Dvr you pay a month. When I had tv I would just use a hdhomerun and Windows Media Center. Apr 20 19:03
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-DOCSIS-Cable-Router-N450-100NAS/dp/B00HC0ZDOEApr 20 19:03
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DaemonFCLooks like the price went up $20 since I bought mine.Apr 20 19:04
DaemonFCStill a better deal than renting though.Apr 20 19:04
gulag2014I asked can I purchase the Dvr? No, you can not. But it's only good on your cable anyway, I don't want to rent anymore. They even charged a rental for the remote. Apr 20 19:04
gulag2014So I went on Ebay and purchased a remote for $4. They looked confused when I returned theirs. Apr 20 19:05
gulag2014Nice, years ago modem/router combos for Cable internet were hard to find. I had separate device for years, I had a few netgear combos crap out on me. Apr 20 19:07
gulag2014I'm sort of electricity conscious, I never liked having several devices on 24 hours a day. Not that it's that expensive. I just don't prefer it. Apr 20 19:08
DaemonFCgulag2014: You can buy your own DVR.Apr 20 19:13
DaemonFCThat gets you out of the equipment rental fee, but not the DVR service fee.Apr 20 19:13
DaemonFCAs long as the DVR is CableCARD compatible. I think Comcast charges like $1 a month to rent a CableCARD.Apr 20 19:13
DaemonFCI believe the DVR rental fee is like $16.99 a month, for each one you are renting.Apr 20 19:14
gulag2014Yes, you are right. I have a cable card feature on my tv, but I believe you loose the program guide. Apr 20 19:14
DaemonFCThe satellite companies have whole home DVR for $10 a month, which lets you rent one HD-DVR and the rest are just boxes that can stream from the DVR.Apr 20 19:14
DaemonFCComcast's equipment rental fees are where all the money is.Apr 20 19:15
gulag2014I have heard that too. Sort of like a slingbox or xbox 360Apr 20 19:15
DaemonFCThey probably pay $60-70 per cable gateway because they have bulk buying power.Apr 20 19:15
DaemonFCThen they can rent them out for 10 years before they need to be replaced.Apr 20 19:16
DaemonFCSo they're basically making 10-12 times what the gateway cost them.Apr 20 19:16
DaemonFCIt's pure profit.Apr 20 19:16
DaemonFCThey can also jack the rental price up at any time, for the existing equipment that's been sitting in your living room for years. :PApr 20 19:16
gulag2014I don't care for much on TV anyway. I cut the cord in 2006, had basic cable with comcast, until they started charging $21 dollars just for broadcast channels. Apr 20 19:17
gulag2014I tried Aereo for a month, they allow you to schedule recordings for around $8 a month. I canceled it, I just wasn't watching tv  often enough. Apr 20 19:19
MinceR191411 < gulag2014> Oh the horror, yes if you live in the Google Universe, I would bet Chrome is quite useful. It is nice to have all your bookmarks synced. Apr 20 19:21
MinceRyou can run firefox sync on your own server, afaikApr 20 19:21
gulag2014I have an interest in that in the future, thanks for the tip. I had read about owncloud. When i get another build started I may convert this pc into a personal server. Apr 20 19:22
MinceR:)Apr 20 19:22
gulag2014I do have a Google account, begrudgingly. I get a little tense when I noticed I forgot to log out, I realize that all my Youtube searches are being recorded. Apr 20 19:25
gulag2014I managed to survive without Facebook, Twitter, or Google +Apr 20 19:26
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3951079Apr 20 19:26
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schestowitz__"The only think that legitimates mainstream religions is that they're old, that way you have no way to know their founders first-hand."Apr 20 19:26
schestowitz__"@Cronos - you have some valid point when it comes to the issue with verification ... however, this type of argument is probobly rejectable anyway if we are about to say that "tradition is good because it's old". IMO every tradition which causes some kind of harm to ANYONE is BAD and has to be changed. Most religion [probobly excluding buddhism] have made a lot of harm in this world, as they are exclusive in a sense, that they Apr 20 19:26
schestowitz__EXCLUDE other people who are non-believers from their circle of "friends". Thus all the religious wars, etc."Apr 20 19:26
cubezzzthe United Church was/is inclusionistApr 20 19:31
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3956966Apr 20 19:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: ![](https://scontent-b-mxp.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-frc3/t1.0-9/s526x395/10250270_458232090974262_7032354979803295177_n.jpg) #Image #Picture #Funny #StarWars #PizzaApr 20 19:35
schestowitz__"Sir yes dad, Sir!"Apr 20 19:35
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3956224Apr 20 19:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Jolla's Confidence and Marketing Grows Through Monthly OS Updates http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2014/04/15/jollas-confidence-and-marketing-grows-through-monthly-os-updates/ #jolla #linux #nokiaApr 20 19:36
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schestowitz__"But not enough to go outside Europe yet."Apr 20 19:36
schestowitz__"So what happened with the China plans? Why were they shelved?"Apr 20 19:36
schestowitz__"Or they weren't? I think Jolla made a deal with some carriers there, but that didn't work out?"Apr 20 19:36
schestowitz__"I'm personally waiting for them to produce a device with normal modem which is not limited to European frequencies."Apr 20 19:36
schestowitz__My wife wants to buy one (UK)Apr 20 19:36
schestowitz__"@Shmerl as I know Jolla aimed also at China from the beginning and they port Sailfish OS for other Android devices and maybe some other company will use sailfish OS on their devices."Apr 20 19:37
DaemonFCgulag2014: I just use an antenna.Apr 20 19:58
DaemonFCI only wanted the basic channels anyway. Comcast wants $20 a month for that now, which is ridiculous.Apr 20 19:58
cubezzzhe's missing all the microsoft cloud ads!Apr 20 19:59
DaemonFCcubezzz: Chrome Adblock.Apr 20 20:01
DaemonFCI do believe that Microsoft has a Onedrive app for Chrome.Apr 20 20:02
DaemonFCGoogle seems to tolerate Microsoft offering apps for Chrome OS and Android.Apr 20 20:02
DaemonFCGoogle has apps for Windows though.Apr 20 20:05
DaemonFCThat's not like it's an even exchange.... Most people don't use Windows mobile, and most people just ignore the Windows store in Windows 8 and use it like it was Windows 7.Apr 20 20:06
DaemonFCWatching Star Trek: Enterprise. :PApr 20 20:09
DaemonFCI got through DS9 last year.Apr 20 20:09
DaemonFCThe part about the Bell Riots in the 2020s in the United States seemed to be disturbingly possible.Apr 20 20:10
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3957086Apr 20 20:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rocapc@joindiaspora.com: #ukraine #turmoil #live #updates. http://rt.com/news/kiev-clashes-rioters-police-571/Apr 20 20:10
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schestowitz__"Also i hate the use of the word annexation since in the Crimea people voted to join Russia..."Apr 20 20:10
DaemonFCThe poor grew so numerous that the rich and middle class decided to round them up and put them in walled slum areas so that they wouldn't have to see them.Apr 20 20:10
schestowitz__The West's intervention led to it.Apr 20 20:11
schestowitz__"The Russians are not going to do anything, but if NATO/USA keep pushing we do not know what could happen..."Apr 20 20:11
schestowitz__Turf/proxy wars, like in SyriaApr 20 20:11
schestowitz__"The west intervened... what do you think would happen if some Russians went to Mexico to destabilize the country, overthrew the government and put some Russian puppets there... and maybe took over some bases..."Apr 20 20:19
schestowitz__Exactly my pointApr 20 20:19
schestowitz__USSR did do some similar stuff in CubaApr 20 20:19
schestowitz__http://www.muktware.com/2014/04/steam-controller-may-arrive-year-end/25611Apr 20 20:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.muktware.com | Steam controller may not arrive until year end | Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/h4ppt ]Apr 20 20:25
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3957086Apr 20 20:27
schestowitz__"Cuba wanted protection against the big enemy, but yes it got a little out of hand to say the least when Khrushchev started bringing in missiles... and i think Ukraine is getting just as dangerous..."Apr 20 20:27
schestowitz__http://www.muktware.com/2014/04/obama-allows-nsa-exploit-security-bugs-like-heartbleed/25558Apr 20 20:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.muktware.com | Obama allows NSA to exploit security bugs like Heartbleed | Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/h4pqm ]Apr 20 20:28
_Goblinschestowitz__, we'll defo record tomorrow.....Apr 20 20:31
_Goblinjust got finished up (RSL v Timbers)Apr 20 20:31
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3957363 Apr 20 20:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@silpol@diasp.eu: All sent and received e-mails in #Gmail will be analyzed, says #Google via #ArsTechnica via @bnox http://bit.ly/1iBzkzq #privacyApr 20 20:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com | All sent and received e-mails in Gmail will be analyzed, says Google | Ars TechnicaApr 20 20:37
schestowitz__Like Microsoft and yahooApr 20 20:37
schestowitz___Goblin: ok, tomorrow then :-)Apr 20 20:37
MinceRi'm Jack's complete lack of surpriseApr 20 20:37
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Emmabuntüs: A philanthropist’s GNU/LinuxApr 20 20:53
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Weeeee, Kubuntu 14.04 is out! and alreadyApr 20 21:50
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     An open source success: EFF ‘awed’ by responseApr 20 21:56
TweetTuxMachines                 to project for easily contacting CongressApr 20 21:56
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Emmabuntüs: A philanthropist’s GNU/LinuxApr 20 21:56
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DaemonFCNow I'm on my Chromebook over at mom's.Apr 20 23:13
DaemonFCcirc isn't so badApr 20 23:13
DaemonFCI liked Chatzilla for Firefox/Seamonkey more though.Apr 20 23:14
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TweetTuxMachines@Emmabuntus      @tuxmachines Thank for your article aboutApr 21 00:53
TweetTuxMachines                 Emmabuntüs http://t.co/cmGuqZ3FNN and this pageApr 21 00:53
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3957713Apr 21 08:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: **What if Claude Monet was born in 1950? by djailledie on deviantART** • http://tinyurl.com/q7aoycc [ ![Image](http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2013/275/b/8/claude_monet_atom_copy_by_djailledie-d6oy5u6.jpg) ](http://tinyurl.com/q7aoycc) #monet #akw <sub> - [via Diaspora* Publisher](http://goo.gl/tmeFB) -</sub>Apr 21 08:00
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schestowitz__http://djailledie.deviantart.com/art/What-if-Claude-Monet-was-born-in-1950-404701710Apr 21 08:00
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3957817Apr 21 08:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Links 20/4/2014: EFF FOSS, Easter Drone Strikes, Copyright Industry Fear of Google http://techrights.org/2014/04/20/copyright-industry-fear-of-google/Apr 21 08:02
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schestowitz__"sure is some interesting links."Apr 21 08:02
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3915306Apr 21 08:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Scathing Report Cites ‘Excessive Force’ by #Albuquerque #Police http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/11/us/albuquerque-police-report-justice-department.htmlApr 21 08:05
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schestowitz__"I live in Albuquerque, so this report was welcome. I only hope that the reforms are real. A recent poll showed that only 30% of the population trusts APD."Apr 21 08:05
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3956456Apr 21 08:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #us #police is now using tasers in #protest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhJ6H9vlEDA this is not what tasers were originally justified for.Apr 21 08:06
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schestowitz__"This is not, strictly speaking, the Tea Party. It's Posse Comitatus, and those who have been tracking right wing groups have repeatedly warned that there will be confrontations such as these. But I do group Posse Comitatus, the Tea Party, and other like groups as authoritarian populists for analytic purposes. They're a very scary bunch of folks, given to Manichean thinking, pretty much with a notion that anyone from far away, who Apr 21 08:06
schestowitz__doesn't look like them, who doesn't act like them, who doesn't live like them, are in some way hostile."Apr 21 08:06
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Oracle Linux 6.5 vs. Oracle Linux 7.0 BetaApr 21 09:29
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Gearbox looking at viability of a Linux versionApr 21 09:29
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msb__schestowitz__: Roy, where did you get that quote, about 3 hours ago, starting with "This is not, strictly speaking, the Tea Party. It's Posse Comitatus,"?Apr 21 11:08
msb__Oh, I see, it's from here: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3956456, a comment about the Bundy protest by one David Benfell.Apr 21 11:14
msb__schestowitz__: That quote from Benfell smears and lies about Bundy and the protesters in several ways.  They have not said they are connected with either the Tea Party no Posse Comitatus organizations.  Apr 21 11:19
msb__schestowitz__: As to being authoritarian, the protestors did not bring guns, tasers, and police dogs to the scene, the federal government did.Apr 21 11:20
msb__schestowitz__: Manichean thinking means belief in right and wrong.Apr 21 11:22
msb__schestowitz__: the last part of the quote "anyone from far away, who doesn't look like them... are in some way hostile." is a vicious lying smear or racism, which AFAICT has never come up in this matter.Apr 21 11:23
msb__schestowitz__: If you want to find attitude and behavior like that on a world-wide scale, look at the US government, invading Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Serbia, and many other nations, and slaughtering many millions of people.Apr 21 11:26
msb__schestowitz__: These subversions, invasions, and mass murders were actually done to destroy socialism, which was diminishing the profits of the ultra-wealthy American businessmen who control the U.S. government.Apr 21 11:28
msb__schestowitz__: But racism was used as a pretext, for example the current War On (Of) Terror, initiated by the 9/11 false-flag operation.  If you don't believe it was a false-flag operation, please watch the videos linked here, in order.Apr 21 11:31
msb__http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911Apr 21 11:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For EveryoneApr 21 11:32
msb__schestowitz__: Please see: http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_HolocaustApr 21 11:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone [ http://ur1.ca/g23vd ]Apr 21 11:44
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux MachinesApr 21 12:01
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Watch Dogs heading to Linux?Apr 21 12:50
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TweetTuxMachines@BigDickStallman  @tuxmachines Why aren't you using GNU/Hurd?Apr 21 12:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Embedded tech and use of Linux at the 2014 GPU Technology Conference | Tux MachinesApr 21 12:51
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Watch Dogs heading to Linux? | Tux MachinesApr 21 12:51
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Sosumihttp://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/amd-loses-just-20-million-in-first-quarter-2014/Apr 21 13:02
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Sosuminot badApr 21 13:02
Sosumicould have been much worseApr 21 13:02
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/NoDPIsigma/status/458226586119315456 https://twitter.com/NoDPIsigma/status/458227275088269312Apr 21 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NoDPIsigma: @schestowitz When teachers use public online social media in the classroom to engage pupils, what do they expect? 1/2Apr 21 14:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NoDPIsigma: @schestowitz Pupils have always had rather vindictive attitudes to unpopular teachers, never so public previously tho. 2/2Apr 21 14:13
schestowitz just doing online what they used to do offlineApr 21 14:14
MinceRgeekingsApr 21 14:20
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458226592838598656  https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458226675860647936   https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458226767980138496 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458227125737517056Apr 21 14:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Peros Banhos atoll's land area is only 3.7mi². Its an important nesting site for Critically Endangered hawksbill turtles. #MPAApr 21 14:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Salomon atoll's land area is only 1.37mi², comprised of 11 tiny coral islets; an important forest habitat for coconut crabs.Apr 21 14:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Diego Garcia atoll has a land area of only 10mi², in a very thin long ribbon around the atoll, partly occupied by the base.Apr 21 14:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Seabird colonies have as much intrinsic value and right to be and live undisturbed, unpolluted, as human beings. #DeepEcologyApr 21 14:21
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458228911206584321  https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458228977929551872  https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458229048419041280   https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458229119621541889Apr 21 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz It is a question of the greater good for all concerned; protection of this unique unspoilt coral atoll wilderness is paramount.Apr 21 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz The Chagos Islands are the last unspoilt coral atoll wilderness area in the overfished and polluted waters of the Indian Ocean.Apr 21 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz In a world of over 7.2 billion humans, these precious coral atolls are an uninhabited refuge for Critically Endangered species.Apr 21 14:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Britain must ensure the unique ecology of these tiny coral atolls is protected from 'development'. #deforestation #destructionApr 21 14:22
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458227125737517056 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458227048168042496      https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458226946133229570     https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458226848720490496Apr 21 14:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz #MPA 2014 British Indian Ocean Territory (BIOT) Science Expedition Blog: Exploring Fresh Territory: http://t.co/4viv7jDAFpApr 21 14:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Preservation of the Earth's last coral atoll wilderness areas, must come before human self-interest. http://t.co/jG8b5YGOxlApr 21 14:24
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz #MPA Seabirds and turtles have a right to live in peace, undisturbed, on their tiny remote coral atolls. http://t.co/drD41RAAwTApr 21 14:24
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schestowitzseems like classic claim for "divine rights" over place(colonisation) by #greenwashing presence, #militarybase contradicts itApr 21 14:36
schestowitzhttp://rbth.com/arts/2014/04/20/why_did_russia_sell_alaska_to_the_united_states_36061.htmlApr 21 14:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rbth.com | Why did Russia sell Alaska to the United States? | Russia Beyond The Headlines [ http://ur1.ca/h4yvl ]Apr 21 14:38
schestowitzHow much can one trust the Russian press?Apr 21 14:38
MinceRbecause they didn't know there was oil there, i'm guessing :>Apr 21 14:42
schestowitzhttp://www.geekwire.com/2014/heres-amazon-coms-earliest-employees-landed/Apr 21 14:44
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schestowitz"Davis is now a lecturer at Berlin’s Technische Universitat, and founder of Linux Audio Systems. "Apr 21 14:44
schestowitzMinceR: I'm thinking more along the lines of carriers and platforms for nukesApr 21 14:44
schestowitzthe many islands are used for thatApr 21 14:44
schestowitzand sometimes even for black sites (CIA torture), which last week we found out the US was using (British islands)Apr 21 14:45
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458239341878575104Apr 21 14:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz The "divine rights" of Homo sapiens to trample all over tiny remote coral atolls includes building military bases. #seabirdsApr 21 14:47
schestowitzMilitary bases contribute a lot to pollution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PollutionApr 21 14:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Pollution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaApr 21 14:50
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458242596901765121Apr 21 14:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Yes, pollution is one thing, deforestation and habitat exclusion is another; thankfully the base is restricted to Diego Garcia.Apr 21 14:56
schestowitzI bet its presence there is either to do with nuclear/porting purposes, like "freedom" in IraqApr 21 14:57
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Yes, it is a common theme to have a good reason to invade another state's territory; do not forget the Sudeten Germans. #powerApr 21 15:19
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DaemonFCschestowitz: Good news. I might be getting ready to buy a house.Apr 21 15:34
DaemonFCIt's a little bit of a fixer upper, but it's only $8,500.Apr 21 15:34
DaemonFCAll it *really* needs before I can move in is some minor repairs and maybe a new paint job.Apr 21 15:35
DaemonFCAlso, they have this little midget toilet in the bathroom that's going to have to come out.Apr 21 15:35
DaemonFCI don't even know where they got that.Apr 21 15:35
DaemonFCThat's not a big issue though. I can get a new toilet for less than $100.Apr 21 15:36
DaemonFCI knew that I lived in a small town for a reason.Apr 21 15:39
DaemonFCThat same house would be about $40,000 in Fort Wayne.Apr 21 15:39
DaemonFCI might call that Solar City company and see about having solar panels installed on the roof if I buy that house.Apr 21 15:54
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msb__DaemonFC: Congratulations!  All that coupon shopping pays off!Apr 21 16:06
MinceR:)Apr 21 16:16
Sosumirussia sold alaska to the US, cheaply, with the conditionality for the US to drive the british out of canadaApr 21 16:26
Sosumiwhich the US never bothered toApr 21 16:26
MinceRwell, they're not british anymore :>Apr 21 16:36
schestowitzstill reign of the QueenApr 21 16:40
schestowitzCommonwealthApr 21 16:40
schestowitzDaemonFC: well doneApr 21 16:41
schestowitzbut what's the hype about buying houses?Apr 21 16:41
schestowitzIn the Uk there is a system of peer pressure, so almost everyone falls behind debt for compliance with social 'norms'Apr 21 16:42
schestowitzSome people buy a house and have zero cash leftApr 21 16:42
schestowitzso bye bye financial security, unless you sell the house or remortgage it for well below valueApr 21 16:42
SosumiI woukdn't mind buying a houseApr 21 16:43
Sosumibut for what do I want a house if I'll put inside it are myself and a bunch of computers and deskApr 21 16:44
Sosumidoesn't make senseApr 21 16:44
Sosumi:)Apr 21 16:44
SosumiI certainly wouldn't mind communitarian housingApr 21 16:45
DaemonFCschestowitz: I just want to own.Apr 21 16:45
Sosumia big kitchen and living room for everyoneApr 21 16:46
Sosumiand then big rooms for everyone to sleep in and have their privacyApr 21 16:46
Sosumiand stuffApr 21 16:46
DaemonFCIt's in excellent condition considering the price.Apr 21 16:53
DaemonFCIt even has new siding.Apr 21 16:53
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/wayneborean/status/458233558482444288Apr 21 16:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wayneborean: @schestowitz So how are things? We are still looking for a legal type to help resurrect Groklaw.Apr 21 16:55
schestowitzPJ already tried that wit WebbinkApr 21 16:55
DaemonFCI could get a 3% loan, pay it off in five years.Apr 21 16:57
DaemonFCThen I'm not wasting money on rent ever again.Apr 21 16:57
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schestowitzrent is only one expense among severalApr 21 17:01
schestowitzyou may find that it only accounts for half of your accomodation/food-related expensesApr 21 17:01
schestowitzso you carry on paying, you are in debt and under stress, and you cannot relocate (even if you find a distant job), etc.Apr 21 17:02
schestowitzIf you can get a loan foor 3% annual interest rate, then it's probably from familyApr 21 17:02
schestowitzin which case you just simply become indebted to a relative and the one who has most to lose is the relativeApr 21 17:03
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sDaemonFC: sit down and do the maths, I know I did, it took a few hoursApr 21 17:10
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msb__I just killed my facebook account!  It *is* possible!  I had to google to ask how.Apr 21 18:21
msb__No more emails about so-and-so just posted another picture!  No more "friend requests" from people I never heard of.  If I want to talk with someone I'll send them an email, or better, call them on the phone.  Or skype.  (because I've never been able to get SIP working)Apr 21 18:23
SosumiI just talk to the ppl at the gymApr 21 18:26
Sosumior to some random dude or girl that seats near me in classesApr 21 18:26
msb__There ya go!  That way you can smell them, too.Apr 21 18:26
Sosumiand hear their voices and see their expressionsApr 21 18:27
Sosumimuch better than talking to some random schmuck on facebookApr 21 18:28
msb__Yes.  Technology has its place.Apr 21 18:28
Sosumitech yesApr 21 18:28
Sosumifacebook noApr 21 18:28
cubezzzI use facebook less and lessApr 21 18:29
msb__cubezzz: That ms-dirtytricks.txt file is great!  I'd like to link to it from my Linux page.  Are you always going to keep it at that location?Apr 21 18:32
cubezzzyeah http://www.maxhost.org/other is sort of a catch-all place I use Apr 21 18:33
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msb__cubezzz: OK, excellent!  People really need to know about Microsoft's evil acts.Apr 21 18:34
cubezzzthis url is also worth a look if you haven't seen it:Apr 21 18:35
cubezzzhttp://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=364Apr 21 18:36
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cubezzzit's old but it talks about what happened after the DOJ decided not to break up MicrosoftApr 21 18:36
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cubezzzI think Genuine Advantage was the last straw for a lot of peopleApr 21 18:38
msb__cubezzz: Very good - thanks!Apr 21 18:41
msb__Hah!  Advantage for MS, certainly not for the users.Apr 21 18:44
msb__That's like a sign I saw on the local comcast store door: "For your convenience, the store will be closing one hour earlier from now on."  Apr 21 18:46
msb__Set up legal entities whose *only* requirement is to maximize shareholder profits, and that's what you get.  Super-psychopaths.Apr 21 18:50
msb__Let them control the government and you get millions of people murdered.Apr 21 18:50
_Goblinschestowitz__, When you see this, I'll be around in a bit......I'd say same channel mumble, but I'll DM you as I've forgotten which one we used before....speak to you in a bit.Apr 21 18:55
cubezzzthe history of unix and linux is interesting but one of the things that doesn't get talked about too much is that linux is getting steadily slowerApr 21 18:58
cubezzzI'm running 2.2, 2.4 and 2.6 machines beside each other and I can really see the differenceApr 21 18:58
msb__Slower doing what?  The only thing I see that isn't instantaneous is disk searches through lots of directories.Apr 21 18:59
cubezzzwell it's a combination of thingsApr 21 19:00
cubezzzaside from higher video resolutions (which is offset by faster video cards and cpu) there's slower memory allocationApr 21 19:01
cubezzzless efficient use of memoryApr 21 19:01
cubezzzyou would only see it if you ran different eras of linux on identical hardware, which almost is never the caseApr 21 19:02
msb__Those are *causes*, but what are the effects?  What do you see that's running slowly?Apr 21 19:02
cubezzzfirefox is the big oneApr 21 19:02
cubezzzit eats up most of the ram if given the chanceApr 21 19:02
msb__ Unless you have 8 gigs of ram.Apr 21 19:03
msb__Then it gets into a loop and takes a whole cpu core just because you have 130 tabs open.Apr 21 19:04
msb__It's really gotten a whole lot more stable.Apr 21 19:04
msb__For one thing, when you restart it with all its previous windows and tabs, it doesn't actually restore any of the tabs except the one in each window that you're looking at.Apr 21 19:05
msb__In my case, that keeps the cpu from melting.Apr 21 19:05
msb__Or maybe vaporizing.Apr 21 19:05
cubezzzheat dissipation, thanks for reminding me about that :)Apr 21 19:06
MinceRit wouldn't melt, it would just take a long time until it became usable :>Apr 21 19:06
msb__Just monitor the core temps, and blow that cat-dust out of the heatsink fins every once in a while.  Apr 21 19:07
msb__And don't overcook it.Apr 21 19:09
Sosumidon't overcook the catApr 21 19:10
msb__Anyhow, even with all the abuse I give it, Firefox is still pretty much instantaneous, unless it's waiting for stuff from the server.Apr 21 19:10
msb__I really miss my cat.  He was a super-being.Apr 21 19:10
Sosumiwhat happened to it?Apr 21 19:11
msb__cubezzz: I hesitate to disagree with you, since you are such an expert, but I think hardware has more than kept up with software bloat.Apr 21 19:12
msb__CancerApr 21 19:12
SosumiouchApr 21 19:12
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msb__It was before the discovery of dichloroacetate.   That might have been able to save him.Apr 21 19:14
msb__On a positive note with Firefox, I got it to smooth-scroll really nicely.Apr 21 19:21
cubezzzthere's also the question of actually understanding the codeApr 21 19:42
cubezzzwhich after each iteration becomes more and more difficultApr 21 19:42
cubezzzand it's not merely 'bloat'Apr 21 19:45
cubezzzit's also detritusApr 21 19:45
cubezzzthere's a few major transitions worth mentioningApr 21 19:52
cubezzzthese are hardware transitionsApr 21 19:52
cubezzzDEC/IBM/SUN -> (Amiga,Atari) -> Sparc, PPC -> and the rather nebulous category of x86 PCsApr 21 19:53
cubezzzso we have all that aggregation, not all of that is in Linux but a lot of it isApr 21 19:56
cubezzzsomeone has to write the low-level stuffApr 21 19:57
cubezzzso anyways, the other point was there's tons and tons of code that never even gets executedApr 21 19:58
cubezzzcompare ls.c in Unix v7 with ls.c in Linux sometimeApr 21 19:58
cubezzzthen count how many of ls's options you actually useApr 21 19:58
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cubezzzthe usb sub-system was re-written, also xorg is quite different from XFree86 version 3Apr 21 20:01
cubezzzthose are just the 2.4 -> 2.6 kernel differencesApr 21 20:02
msb__cubezzz: Maybe this is the teensiest weensiest Linux:  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NanolinuxApr 21 21:14
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cubezzzmsb_, it's not Apr 21 21:15
cubezzzbut it depends on what one means by tinyApr 21 21:15
cubezzznano/tiny core concentrated on reducing the disk space usedApr 21 21:16
cubezzznano core needs about 64 megs of ram, very small for today's distros but...Apr 21 21:16
cubezzzBasic Linux 3 was designed for minimal use of memory and can run pretty well with 16 megs, including XApr 21 21:17
schestowitz___Goblin: pingApr 21 21:19
cubezzzwithout X you could get it down to 4 megs of ramApr 21 21:20
msb__I want one that'll run on a single cross-connected 12AX7.Apr 21 21:21
msb__So it can survive an EMP.Apr 21 21:23
cubezzzvacuum tubes :)Apr 21 21:24
msb__It doesn't have to have a lot of ls options.Apr 21 21:24
cubezzzwell you got me thereApr 21 21:24
MinceRyou could just use EMP shieldingApr 21 21:25
cubezzzthere's talk of nano vacuum tubes so you might just be on to something thereApr 21 21:26
msb__Nano is ok.  I don't care if I need a microscope to see them, as long as I can see them glowing warm orange.Apr 21 21:29
MinceRyou can make a lot of things glow warm orangeApr 21 21:30
MinceRiron, steel, glass, ...Apr 21 21:30
cubezzzcomputer-wise you'd probably be a lot happier with an original PDP-8Apr 21 21:30
msb__Nah, LINC had a much prettier front panel.Apr 21 21:30
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cubezzzmaybe you don't have to go back that farApr 21 21:32
cubezzzan Amiga had almost everything socketed, so it's still easy to repair assuming you can find the chipsApr 21 21:33
Sosumijust get a tempest certified cabinetApr 21 21:33
MinceRindeedApr 21 21:33
cubezzzcan you get those for PCs?Apr 21 21:33
Sosumiwell ofcApr 21 21:33
Sosumito what else did you want to get one to?Apr 21 21:34
Sosumia mac?Apr 21 21:34
SosumilolApr 21 21:34
Sosumithere cabinets for both rack mountingApr 21 21:34
Sosumiand others that let you trow a tower insideApr 21 21:35
Sosumisimilar to those used in music studios to dampen the soundApr 21 21:35
Sosumi*atApr 21 21:35
msb__The advantage of the LINC is that it had 12bit words, so you could address plenty of RAM, er, core.Apr 21 21:36
cubezzzPDP-8 was also 12-bitApr 21 21:36
msb__And lighted pushbuttons and little silver bat-handle toggle switches for address and data.Apr 21 21:37
cubezzztoo bad you don't have a LINCApr 21 21:37
cubezzzthat would be quite a collector's itemApr 21 21:37
msb__PDP-8 had a crummy front panel and sharp pointy plastic switches.Apr 21 21:38
msb__Hurt your fingers when you set them to all 1s or all 0s.Apr 21 21:38
msb__The LINC even used discrete transistor circuits, not ICs.Apr 21 21:39
msb__But I'd replace them with 12AX7s.Apr 21 21:39
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3961527Apr 21 21:40
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schestowitz__"@Bugs: I think I read the chips are open too, but I can't find where. Firmware seems to be open."Apr 21 21:40
schestowitz__"I'm still just trying to figure out just how open this really is. Does it need proprietary drivers? Firmware? Do we have the schematics, not just down to the component, but to the transistor? Groups like the NSA like to infiltrate at the deepest levels, where often the higher levels are easier to open. Of this truly is open, transistor to user apps and everything in between, them it would be a significant security development indeedApr 21 21:41
schestowitz__ although great care would have to be taken by the governance to ensure no unwanted influence."Apr 21 21:41
msb__If we could get rid of the corporate-nazi-psychopaths in government, we wouldn't have to worry about them snooping in our computers.Apr 21 21:45
msb__Or shooting us.Apr 21 21:45
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/portable-pdp8.pngApr 21 21:45
Sosumicubezzz, seatbelts? anyone?Apr 21 21:47
cubezzzhehApr 21 21:47
msb__Cute!  Yeah those machines didn't just fit behind the front panel.Apr 21 21:47
msb__The S-100s did, though.Apr 21 21:47
cubezzzthey might have at least secured the PDP with some bungee cordsApr 21 21:48
Sosumi:)Apr 21 21:48
Sosumior there would be a flying pdp8Apr 21 21:48
msb__It would be a formidable weapon!Apr 21 21:49
SosuminahApr 21 21:49
Sosumicatapulting washing machines was the best yetApr 21 21:49
Sosumias the palestinians did back in 2010?Apr 21 21:50
Sosumior was it 2011Apr 21 21:50
msb__Or cows.  Run away!Apr 21 21:50
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DaemonFCI can't believe how bad Windows 8 is. I can see why nobody wants to upgrade from Windows XP.Apr 22 02:18
DaemonFCIt's sort of sad that in 13 years, Microsoft has gone backwards from Windows XP, which wasn't all that good to begin with.Apr 22 02:18
DaemonFCI sat down and tried to fix Collin's laptop and it was like an exorcism.Apr 22 02:18
DaemonFCWindows 8 just does stupid shit at random and makes you wait so long to do a simple thing like open Firefox, that you just want to scream.Apr 22 02:18
DaemonFCUbuntu 14.04 LTS will be done downloading soon, and then that copy of Windows is getting nuked.Apr 22 02:18
DaemonFCI've just gotten too used to GNU/Linux, which usually does the right thing the first time, and never gets saddled with crapware, trialware, shovelware, malware, and fuck-ups in general.Apr 22 02:18
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schestowitz__https://twitter.com/wayneborean/status/458342676442935297Apr 22 07:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wayneborean: @schestowitz We are trying something possibly a bit different. Don't know if it will succeed, but if you don't try...Apr 22 07:42
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MinceRhttp://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aeNyM65_700b.jpgApr 22 11:24
msb__8^)Apr 22 11:30
msb__"<DaemonFC> I sat down and tried to fix Collin's laptop and it was like an exorcism." The Power of Linux compels you!Apr 22 11:32
MinceR:>Apr 22 11:41
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msb__MinceR: Hi!  That joke you posted was very funny, and fairly represents the paranoia and insanity of the current North Korean government, which it openly portrays to the world.Apr 22 12:57
msb__MinceR: However, from what I've been able to learn so far, that paranoia is a result of the murder of about 30% of the North Korean population during the Korean War, which was started by multiple invasions by the South Korean military into the North, urged by the U.S.Apr 22 12:59
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MinceRyeah, it's never the communist's fault in your worldApr 22 12:59
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msb__MinceR: Journalist I F Stone wrote a book about this.  Since you haven't watched the David Korten video, I doubt that you'll want to look at the book.  You don't take in any information that might alter your current viewpoint.  That guarantees that you'll never learn anything.Apr 22 13:02
msb__MinceR: Even wikipedia recognizes that South Korean president Synghman Rhee was a repressive dictator -- a torturer and murderer.  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synghman_Rhee#Political_repressionApr 22 13:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Syngman Rhee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h573g ]Apr 22 13:04
MinceRwhich means that south korea is evil forever?Apr 22 13:04
msb__MinceR: Of course not.  But what it means is that the repressiveness of North Korea is due to the shock of having a third of its population murderd by the U.S. military during the Korean War, which the US and South Korea provoked.  Burning people to death with napalm was one of the main methods of this murder.Apr 22 13:10
MinceRand being shocked means being an evil dictatorship forever is goodApr 22 13:11
MinceRso long as you use the communist symbolsApr 22 13:11
MinceRbecause doing the exact same thing with nazi symbols is evilApr 22 13:11
MinceRwhy do commies believe that the symbols you use while you commit atrocities is the only thing that matters?Apr 22 13:12
msb__MinceR: If the US had not intervened, in order to prevent a unified socialist or at least liberal Korea from being formed, as many in the south wanted, then Korea would be very different now.  Of course the US intervention, as always, was for the purpose of destroying socialism and any workers' organizing, lest it cut into the profits of the wealthy businessmen who control the US government.Apr 22 13:13
MinceRyeah, "socialist" states are so liberalApr 22 13:14
MinceRthat is, if we assume that "liberal" means the exact opposite of what it really meansApr 22 13:14
msb__"Liberal" means enabling freedom.Apr 22 13:15
msb__That includes giving working people control of farms, factories, etc, and the profits thereof.Apr 22 13:15
MinceRhow exactly does a dictatorship with no freedom of speech where the state owns and controls everything "enable freedom"?Apr 22 13:16
MinceRalso, do you define the dictator and their bootlickers "working people"?Apr 22 13:17
MinceR(i know they tend to love parading as such...)Apr 22 13:17
msb__The nature of the US system is shown by its execution of the false-flag 9/11 terror attack, and its subsequent use of that deception to murder 2,000,000 people in Afghanistan and Iraq, and to destroy the economy and infrastructure of Libya.Apr 22 13:17
msb__No, I define actual ordinary working people as such.Apr 22 13:17
MinceRwell, at least now i know that your false-liberal love of communism extends to north koreaApr 22 13:18
msb__You're totally lying.  I wrote 24 minutes ago "paranoia and insanity of the current North Korean government", and 9 minutes ago "the repressiveness of North Korea".  Why do you lie, when your lies are so easy to refute?Apr 22 13:21
MinceRyes, you tried to make it seem as if it was entirely the fault of the USAApr 22 13:23
MinceRbecause obviously if someone uses the sickle, the hammer and the five-pointed star, they can be nothing less than an angel.Apr 22 13:23
MinceRyou're one of the most gullible people i knowApr 22 13:23
msb__MinceR: You can get a scanned pdf of _The hidden history of the Korean War, 1950-1951 (A Nonconformist history of our times)  I. F Stone_ here:  http://en.bookfi.org/book/1427116Apr 22 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.bookfi.org | The hidden history of the Korean War, 1950-1951 (A Nonconformist history of our times) | I. F Stone | digital library BookfiApr 22 13:26
MinceRwhich explains how repressive regimes can be the epitome of good in a way that can not be reduced to less than 50 pages, i'm sureApr 22 13:26
Sosuminorth korea is the best koreaApr 22 13:40
Sosumispecially if you like to be stuck in the pastApr 22 13:41
Sosumiand live a miserable, short and brutish lifeApr 22 13:41
Sosumimost of that all thanks to US meddlingApr 22 13:42
msb__“….we have come to the conclusion that (South Korean president) Syngman Rhee deliberately provoked the North Koreans in the hope that they would retaliate by crossing the parallel in force. The northerners fell neatly into the trap.”  http://www.globalresearch.ca/americas-war-on-north-korea/5329374Apr 22 13:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | America’s War on North Korea | Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/h57cs ]Apr 22 13:42
SosumiI'm not a fan of global researchApr 22 13:42
Sosumithose guys tend to get things wrongApr 22 13:43
msb__Sosumi: Too bad.  It's one of the most accurate alternative new sites on the Web, not influenced by corporatist/fascist propaganda.Apr 22 13:43
msb__new-->newsApr 22 13:44
Sosumiis it?Apr 22 13:44
SosumiI'm not so sureApr 22 13:44
Sosumibut nvmApr 22 13:44
MinceRperhaps it has biases msb__ agrees with :>Apr 22 13:44
Sosumi:)Apr 22 13:44
MinceRi suspect it's harder to notice biases one agrees withApr 22 13:45
msb__CRG was among the first to expose the US use of Al-qaeda as proxies in its attack on Syria.  Eventually other sites followed suit.Apr 22 13:46
msb__Well, I told you where you can get Stone's book yourselves.Apr 22 13:47
Sosumioliver stone?Apr 22 13:48
msb__MinceR: You can get a scanned pdf of _The hidden history of the Korean War, 1950-1951 (A Nonconformist history of our times)  I. F Stone_ here:  http://en.bookfi.org/book/1427116Apr 22 13:48
msb__I have never said, as MinceR lied, that "repressive regimes can be the epitome of good".  What I do say is that when a nation has 30% of its population murdered by being burned and bombed to death can cause a long-lasting trauma and subsequent paranoia. Apr 22 13:53
msb__...and that can easily lead to repression.  The survivors focus on defending themselves against any possible attack or subversion.  Especially with the US currently murdering millions of people, using its deceptions like 9/11 as the pretext.Apr 22 13:56
msb__Actually, the US is doing far more harm in the world than North Korea is.  NK only attacks its own citizens.  The US routinely invades other nations and murders millions of people.Apr 22 13:58
MinceRtherefore we should hand all power to NK so they can do more harm in the worldApr 22 13:59
MinceRright?Apr 22 13:59
Sosuminot allApr 22 14:01
Sosumijust someApr 22 14:01
Sosumiso by little the regime loses its powerApr 22 14:01
MinceRyeah, regimes lose their power when they're given more powerApr 22 14:01
msb__MinceR: No, we should learn how the Korean War was started, realize that the insanity of the NK govt was caused by that, apologize for it, and try to help them -- supply food and other aid.Apr 22 14:02
Sosumisanctioning them will only cause the people to actually cling to their "leaders"Apr 22 14:02
MinceRyeah, giving aid to dictatorships tend to work out so wellApr 22 14:02
MinceRlike in africaApr 22 14:02
SosumiI meant that in the sense of removing the economic sanctionsApr 22 14:02
Sosumijust let them beApr 22 14:02
Sosumithis isn't africa, it is NKApr 22 14:03
MinceRyeah, i know, it's worseApr 22 14:03
Sosumiafrica is a much different storyApr 22 14:03
MinceRmuch different and yet megalomaniac dictators work so similarlyApr 22 14:03
Sosumiwell but the dictators in africa have support from london and the USApr 22 14:04
Sosumiin order to secure the diamond extractionApr 22 14:04
Sosumiand other mining operationsApr 22 14:04
Sosumiand ofcApr 22 14:04
Sosumito jack the prices all the way upApr 22 14:05
msb__People can evaluate the policies of their megalomaniac dictators much more accurately if they aren't starving to death.Apr 22 14:08
MinceRaid rarely reaches the people, thoughApr 22 14:09
msb__Only one way to find out.  We have plenty.Apr 22 14:09
msb__And the aid (and apology) would be widely publicized, so if the NK regime withheld the food from its people it would be shamed.Apr 22 14:10
MinceRafaik it was attempted several times alreadyApr 22 14:11
MinceRas for the apology, it would probably not reach the NK people intactApr 22 14:11
msb__If so, I doubt if it was with an apology for provoking the Korean War.Apr 22 14:11
MinceRindeed, it was not with any apologiesApr 22 14:12
msb__But the apology would reach the rest of the world.Apr 22 14:12
MinceRand accomplish nothingApr 22 14:12
msb__So you say MinceR.  But actually, it couldn't hurt to try.Apr 22 14:12
msb__The situation is no different from trying to help a severely abused child, who now hates everyone.Apr 22 14:14
msb__In fact, since the NK govt is made up of people, who are severely traumatized by the Korean War, even if it happened before they were born, it's really the *same* situation.Apr 22 14:16
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satipera@schestowitz i always thought your rss subsciption list for techrights and tux machines research must be interesting. do you care to share it?   Apr 22 19:08
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3966420Apr 22 20:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I never did any illegal drugs. Unless I had lived in the US 100 years ago; Alcohol was at that stage an illegal drug, unlike pot.Apr 22 20:37
schestowitz__"Wasn't that also the golden age of the maffia?"Apr 22 20:37
MinceRhttps://scontent-b-fra.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-prn2/t1.0-9/10154193_10152097569703581_8988971070941547388_n.jpgApr 22 20:37
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3966492Apr 22 20:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #wordpress 3.9 feels like a beta version of 3.6. And it also comes with a #backdoor which drives me away to #drupal over time.Apr 22 20:38
schestowitz__"^ +1"Apr 22 20:38
schestowitz__"WP was never too secure, actually. If you want it to be secure - keep it simple."Apr 22 20:38
schestowitz__"marc, you get a +1 for spreading "KISS principle"."Apr 22 20:38
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MinceRhttp://www.buzzfeed.com/miriamelder/ceo-of-russian-facebook-says-he-was-fired-and-that-the-sociaApr 22 20:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.buzzfeed.com | CEO Of "Russian Facebook" Says He Was Fired And That The Social Network Is Now In The Hands Of Putin Allies [ http://ur1.ca/h5a4p ]Apr 22 20:52
Sosumihttp://www.voltairenet.org/article183373.htmlApr 22 21:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voltairenet.org | Ukraine: Poland trained putchists two months in advance | "Caught red-handed" [ http://ur1.ca/h5ahu ]Apr 22 21:25
SosumilulzApr 22 21:25
Sosumi"Two months after the change of regime in Kiev, the Polish press has disclosed the role of Donald Tusk’s government in preparing the coup."Apr 22 21:25
Sosumimaybe the next time some polish dude goes on a trip to russiaApr 22 21:28
Sosumihis plane will end up "mysteriously" fallingApr 22 21:28
MinceRdidn't that happen already?Apr 22 21:30
MinceRwith kaczynski and his partners in crime?Apr 22 21:30
Sosumican't it happen again? :)Apr 22 21:33
MinceRof course it canApr 22 21:35
Sosumihttp://www.voltairenet.org/article183131.htmlApr 22 21:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voltairenet.org | Ex-CIA agent reveals how Venezuelan “students” get putschist training [ http://ur1.ca/h5al6 ]Apr 22 21:40
Sosumiwell, no surprise at allApr 22 21:41
SosumiI've also heard an interview this morning on ruptly with a venezuelan studentApr 22 21:41
Sosumiand she appeared to jut be nothing more than a parrotApr 22 21:42
Sosumibut ho wellApr 22 21:44
SosumignApr 22 21:44
MinceRo/Apr 22 21:44
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MinceRhttps://www.usenix.org/system/files/1403_02-08_mickens.pdfApr 23 07:37
MinceRgeekingsApr 23 09:10
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schestowitz__MinceR: I am looking at that PDFApr 23 14:07
schestowitz__Any special relevance I'm missing?Apr 23 14:07
MinceRno special relevance, i thinkApr 23 14:07
MinceRjust very funnyApr 23 14:07
schestowitz__yes, I saw that running quickly through all pagesApr 23 14:09
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3971052Apr 23 14:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Not all Western #drone victims have passport revoked (remotely) before they are assassinated. Means it's often accidental, justified later.Apr 23 14:09
schestowitz__"We shot you, therefore you're guilty. Outstanding!"Apr 23 14:10
MinceRthough i it did make me realize that HTML should not only replaced in the 'hypertext' role but also in the 'secure remote GUI' roleApr 23 14:10
schestowitz__Appeals Court now forces them to disclosure documents, but the dead cannot defend selves anymoreApr 23 14:10
MinceRwhich explains why they did things like that :>Apr 23 14:12
schestowitz__My guess is:Apr 23 14:12
schestowitz__1. They can make claims about what they in Yemen, only based on "official" accounts (nearby witnessed fried in Hellfire also).Apr 23 14:12
schestowitz__2. They will sex up the claims. I've seen that done to many people before; just tie them up to some reading list to call them Marxist, Nazi, or something along those lies to detach public sympathy.Apr 23 14:12
schestowitz__3. Guilt by association for any young people or women killed.Apr 23 14:12
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3961527Apr 23 14:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The world's first open source laptop crosses halfway mark in crowdfunding. http://www.dnaindia.com/scitech/report-the-world-s-first-open-source-laptop-laptop-crosses-halfway-mark-in-crowdfunding-1980420Apr 23 14:17
schestowitz__"Either way, I hope it takes off. I have a decent laptop for the moment, but next time I switch I'd love to build one of those."Apr 23 14:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.dnaindia.com | The world's first open source laptop crosses halfway mark in crowdfunding. | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/h5bw8 ]Apr 23 14:17
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/ekendo/status/458960760970825728Apr 23 14:39
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ekendo: "@schestowitz: #Ethiopia "GNU/Linux with numbers pushing 30%" http://t.co/us7T7u2B6U depending on the day #yournerds #software"Apr 23 14:39
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Tabletop Simulator now on Steam Early AccessApr 23 15:45
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3970700Apr 23 15:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hey AT&T, enough with the gigawashing! http://gigaom.com/2014/04/21/hey-att-enough-with-the-gigawashing/ AT&T a huge violator of #privacy and #internet #censorship villainApr 23 15:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> gigaom.com | Hey AT&T, enough with the gigawashing! — Tech News and Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/h5j6k ]Apr 23 15:47
schestowitz__"While blocking competitors http://action.sumofus.org/a/att-alec-lobby-community-owned-internet-networks/"Apr 23 15:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-action.sumofus.org | AT&T is waging a war against rural communities across America. | SumOfUs [ http://ur1.ca/h5j6l ]Apr 23 15:47
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3970408Apr 23 15:47
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: [![Image](https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-rMbD_1QBk18/U1XZdpUVJCI/AAAAAAAAAuY/eoNGDWy65jQ/w378-h284/10177326_662221250481045_5956124954059460234_n.jpg)]() **Debian**Apr 23 15:47
schestowitz__"Black whiting. It's the derivatives that mix in non free software and betray users to owners."Apr 23 15:47
Sosumihttp://www.voltairenet.org/article30109.htmlApr 23 15:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voltairenet.org | Skull and Bones, the Elite of the Empire | United States: The Hidden Power [ http://ur1.ca/h5ja8 ]Apr 23 15:59
Sosumimsb__, msb__, where are thee? ho great msb__, I present thee with the article above for thy mind to wonderApr 23 16:01
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msb__Sosumi: Hi!  Here I be!  Thanks for that voltairenet article on US infiltration and subversion of Cuba and Venezuela!Apr 23 16:03
SosumiThierry Meyssan is a kewl guy :)Apr 23 16:04
msb__Yes, and what a great name!  This article looks very good too.  There are quite a few of these societies of the rulers -- Bilderburg, Trilateral, Council on Foreign Relations, Mont Pelerin Society, etc.  And probably more that we've never heard of that are totally secret.Apr 23 16:14
msb__... Bohemian Grove.  Some of them are said to bring in children for the members to abuse sexually.Apr 23 16:17
msb__I think Heinlein wrote a story about people who used psychic powers against monsters like these.  Anyone remember its name?  Maybe the Big Bad got compressed into spherical shape at the end?Apr 23 16:24
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Sosumieven serious? psychic powers?Apr 23 16:41
SosumilolApr 23 16:41
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Sosumihttps://twitter.com/GalileoMovement/status/458974356975022081Apr 23 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GalileoMovement: CARTOON - People paying you to stay in bed http://t.co/bVjKOfvuTmApr 23 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GalileoMovement: CARTOON - People paying you to stay in bed http://t.co/bVjKOfvuTmApr 23 17:44
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msb__Sosumi: psychic powers were in a fictional story by Robert Heinlein, IIRC.  But the article on Skull and Bones says it was connected with Brown Brothers Harrington, which was involved with funding the Nazis for WWII.  The most important thing then, as now, for these ultra-wealthy capitalists, was to stop socialism, because organized workers will not give most of the profits to rich company owners.  Hitler murdered socialists and labor Apr 23 18:32
msb__organizers everywhere he could find them, and, of course, attacked the USSR.Apr 23 18:32
msb__Harrington --> HarrimanApr 23 18:32
msb__http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwarApr 23 18:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power | World news | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/gvzy9 ]Apr 23 18:33
Sosumithat is widely knownApr 23 18:33
msb__It needs to be much *more* widely known!Apr 23 18:34
Sosumithat the american elite of the time were all pretty much in love with that despicable british creatureApr 23 18:34
Sosumithe shicklegruber guyApr 23 18:34
MinceRhitler was a National Socialist. :>Apr 23 18:35
Sosumihe was just in nameApr 23 18:35
msb__Hitler was NOT a socialist!  That was a lie to get him accepted by the population.Apr 23 18:35
Sosumia true socialist makes sure the ppl are fed, clothed and punishes you when you misbehaveApr 23 18:36
msb__Fascism benefits wealthy owners.  Socialism benefits working people.Apr 23 18:36
Sosumiaka like a big daddyApr 23 18:36
msb__Capitalist govt punishes misbehavers (pot smokers, prostitutes, etc) also.Apr 23 18:37
Sosumibut it doesn't look after youApr 23 18:37
Sosumiand is based on social dawinisticsApr 23 18:38
msb__darwinismApr 23 18:38
msb__The most powerful survive and dominate the rest.Apr 23 18:39
MinceRthat's social spencerism, darwin had nothing to do with itApr 23 18:39
MinceR...or do you think that biology is a lie as well? :>Apr 23 18:40
msb__Maybe, but that's what people have labelled it.Apr 23 18:40
MinceRpeople without any understanding of what they're talking aboutApr 23 18:40
Sosumiit is what everyone calls thatApr 23 18:43
msb__MinceR: Have you stopped beating your wife?Apr 23 18:43
MinceRmuApr 23 18:44
msb__Aha!  A Zen Buddhist!Apr 23 18:44
cubezzzthe cake is a lie :)Apr 23 18:44
Sosumigoing by another name would only cause unnecessary discussion most of the timesApr 23 18:44
SosumilolApr 23 18:44
MinceRnot exactlyApr 23 18:45
msb__This is not a pipe.Apr 23 18:45
cubezzzit will work after the next compileApr 23 18:45
msb__8^)Apr 23 18:45
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The OnePlus One smartphone is a denim-clad $299 Cyanogen monster | Tux MachinesApr 23 18:49
msb__I'll bet the Skulls are behind Hydra, the criminal organization that has just taken over Marvel's Agents of SHIELD (an excellent TV series, highly recommended).Apr 23 18:55
msb__SHIELD has an enormous VTOL aircraft, with a gorgeous Chinese woman -- played by Ming-Na Wen -- who pilots it.  http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001840/Apr 23 18:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | Ming-Na Wen - IMDbApr 23 18:59
Sosumitv is a waste of timeApr 23 18:59
msb__Not this show!Apr 23 18:59
msb__Good TV and movies stretch your mind, like dreams.Apr 23 19:00
msb__Encourage you to think out of the ordinary.Apr 23 19:00
SosuminaahApr 23 19:01
Sosumitv and entertainment in general are weaponized to bring in new standardsApr 23 19:02
Sosumiin a kind of monkey see, monkey do fashionApr 23 19:02
msb__In general, maybe, but there are a few good ones.Apr 23 19:02
Sosumiwell, good then, go watch themApr 23 19:03
Sosumias for me, I don't even have a tvApr 23 19:04
msb__The "zombie" trend is certainly what you say.Apr 23 19:04
Sosumiand the only movies I watch are old samurai movies from akira kurosawaApr 23 19:05
msb__How about The Golden Compass, The Matrix, The Man From Earth, ...Apr 23 19:05
Sosumior some interesting japanese anime on the lines of ghost in the shellApr 23 19:05
msb__I love that one!Apr 23 19:06
msb__But if you tried to give head to Kusanagi, would you chip a tooth on her titanium nethers?Apr 23 19:07
msb__Remember how she offerred herself to that kid in a car?Apr 23 19:08
SosumiI meant ghost in the shell as in the mammoru ochi's adaptation of the bookApr 23 19:08
msb__offered Apr 23 19:08
SosumiI've seen the stand alone complex animes but I hardly remember themApr 23 19:09
msb__So are you talking about something different?Apr 23 19:09
msb__The movie?Apr 23 19:09
SosumiyesApr 23 19:09
Sosumithe 1995 movieApr 23 19:10
Sosumiand the sequel from 2004Apr 23 19:10
msb__Woof!  There's a sequel?Apr 23 19:10
SosumiyesApr 23 19:10
Sosumihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP2Pt6m3yKUApr 23 19:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Ghost in the Shell - trailer - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/h5kiw ]Apr 23 19:11
Sosumihttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1KwJfdq0gUApr 23 19:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Ghost in the Shell 2 - Innocence - Trailer - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/h5kj3 ]Apr 23 19:11
msb__Ah.  And there's also Solid State Society.Apr 23 19:12
Sosumiyes but that one falls into the stand alone complex kind of thingApr 23 19:13
msb__OK, I have both on DVDs, have to watch them again.Apr 23 19:13
cubezzzok, radeonfb is interestingApr 23 19:14
cubezzzI have a new way of fixing console problems nowApr 23 19:14
cubezzzthe documentation is rather sparse (as usual)Apr 23 19:15
cubezzzfbset let's you manipulate the video settings used by the consoleApr 23 19:16
Sosumihttp://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3999/nffk.jpgApr 23 19:18
cubezzzha, I thought that said "auto-make" for a secondApr 23 19:19
cubezzzman fb.modes actually tells one a bit about how the frame buffer worksApr 23 19:21
MinceR:DApr 23 19:22
msb__cubezzz: So does F7 actually switch you back and forth between X and FB, not just X and the console?Apr 23 19:27
msb__cubezzz: Could one write a program that you start in the console, and it does FB graphics?Apr 23 19:28
cubezzzsureApr 23 19:28
cubezzzmplayer does thatApr 23 19:28
cubezzzI wouldn't assume ctrl-alt-f7 toggles X and the consoleApr 23 19:29
cubezzzthat's distro specificApr 23 19:29
cubezzzmy understanding is the fb takes the text console over when loadedApr 23 19:30
msb__So when mplayer plays a movie, the movie rectangle is in FB, in the middle of the X display?Apr 23 19:31
cubezzzno, mplayer usually defaults to xv video output if you run it within XApr 23 19:32
cubezzzif you're in the fb, then it's smart enough to use fbdevApr 23 19:34
msb__I forgot, it's ctrl-alt-Fn, n = 1 to 6, that goes to a console, and ctrl-alt-F7 that comes back to X.Apr 23 19:35
msb__OK, google for --  linux programming framebuffer in C  -- finds lots of stuffApr 23 19:39
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cubezzzmsb__, programming the framebuffer is a throw-back to what people used to do for graphics programmingApr 23 19:41
msb__But I'll bet it runs faster than programming graphics in XApr 23 19:41
msb__And I'll bet it's more like programming graphics in PC-DOS, which certain old farts used to be good at.Apr 23 19:43
cubezzzyou would think that but it's not true :)Apr 23 19:43
cubezzzthe framebuffer is significantly slower than accelerated XApr 23 19:43
msb__Does current Linux use accelerated X?Apr 23 19:44
cubezzzsureApr 23 19:44
cubezzzrun glxinfo on your boxApr 23 19:44
cubezzznear the top it should say "direct rendering: Yes"Apr 23 19:44
cubezzzthere's even acceleration for some old msdos games now via scummvmApr 23 19:46
cubezzzit's not quite as fast as running freedos, but it's pretty closeApr 23 19:47
msb__Yes it does.  Had to run it thru "less".  All I was seeing was the mode table.Apr 23 19:47
MinceRxvideo tends to have video-specific accelerationApr 23 19:49
msb__Here's a tutorial on programming the FB in C   http://www.cnblogs.com/huqingyu/archive/2005/03/05/113634.htmlApr 23 19:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnblogs.com | Linux 2.2 Framebuffer Device Programming Tutorial - 浙林龙哥 - 博客园 [ http://ur1.ca/h5kqx ]Apr 23 19:52
cubezzzif I didn't care about anything except speed and it was OK for the program to take over the machine then I'd probably just use freedosApr 23 19:52
cubezzzyou probably aren't going to use the framebuffer too muchApr 23 19:55
msb__So what's the best way to program 2-D graphics in C for X?  Qt?Apr 23 19:55
cubezzzwell... in the old days you would learn xlib programmingApr 23 19:56
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cubezzzlater on people used motifApr 23 19:57
MinceRbut no xt and xaw? :>Apr 23 19:57
cubezzznowadays it's qt, gtk, or fltkApr 23 19:57
MinceRqt seems to get very little use latelyApr 23 19:57
MinceRexcept kde and unity, i guessApr 23 19:58
cubezzzmotif is a higher level above xt, xaw, XmuApr 23 19:58
MinceRi thought motif and xaw were competition to each otherApr 23 19:59
msb__cubezzz: That xrubik code you sent me uses xlib?  Which is lower level than qt?Apr 23 19:59
cubezzzmsb__, yes that's pure xlibApr 23 20:00
MinceRxlib is the lowest level you get for x, except talking the x protocol yourself directlyApr 23 20:00
msb__Can xlib calls do regions, and not just dots?Apr 23 20:00
MinceRthere's also xcb, which is supposed to be an alternative to xlibApr 23 20:00
MinceRx does a large set of graphics primitivesApr 23 20:00
MinceRpeople say it's too large :)Apr 23 20:00
cubezzzall the libs call xcb reallyApr 23 20:00
cubezzzunless you're using something really oldApr 23 20:01
cubezzze.g. fc1 used xlibApr 23 20:04
cubezzzeven xrubik uses xcb when compiled on 'modern' linuxApr 23 20:05
cubezzzthere's a diagram that explains the graphical toolkits:Apr 23 20:05
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/graphic-toolkits.pngApr 23 20:06
msb__Great!  That really helps.Apr 23 20:07
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cubezzzthat's not the whole story thoughApr 23 20:15
cubezzzin games we used SDLApr 23 20:15
cubezzzI think with SDL you can use X or the frame bufferApr 23 20:16
cubezzzI'll have to try that sometimeApr 23 20:16
cubezzzha, yeah it fails because it can't access the mouse :)Apr 23 20:17
cubezzzlooks like they dropped frame buffer support in SDL 2.0Apr 23 20:21
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msb__Looks like I can program in Ruby for GTK+ and Qt4.  Slower, but more fun.Apr 23 20:28
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sebsebsebhiApr 23 20:33
MinceRhayApr 23 20:34
sebsebsebMinceR: hiApr 23 20:35
cubezzzmsb__, you might find this interesting:Apr 23 20:41
cubezzzhttp://www.directfb.orgApr 23 20:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.directfb.org | directfb.org | MainApr 23 20:41
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msb__cubezzz: Thanks!Apr 23 21:12
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Canonical Is Taking Over Linux 3.13 KernelApr 23 22:38
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MinceRgnApr 23 22:42
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     AMD Catalyst 14.4 Brings Few Linux PerformanceApr 24 00:24
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Band releases album as Linux kernel moduleApr 24 02:27
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Reading Into the Red Hat CentOS DealApr 24 02:27
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cubezzzman, I'm not getting any help at allApr 24 04:44
cubezzzthe docs for the frame buffer are really out of dateApr 24 04:44
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Hackable media-streaming speaker does HiFi withApr 24 08:22
TweetTuxMachines                 tubes http://t.co/hHxnlRYjvHApr 24 08:22
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Hackable media-streaming speaker does HiFi with tubes | Tux MachinesApr 24 08:22
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msb__Wow, tubes!  12AU7 http://linuxgizmos.com/hackable-wireless-speaker-goes-hifi-with-analog-tubes/Apr 24 09:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Hackable media-streaming speaker does HiFi with tubes ·  LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/h5rqb ]Apr 24 09:16
MinceRthe internet is a series of tubes.Apr 24 09:18
MinceRgeekingsApr 24 09:18
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msb__That's great to know!Apr 24 09:18
msb__But that stereo amplifier/speaker seems designed for hi-fi crazies who think they can tell the difference when they use unalloyed-copper speaker wires (or is it silver or gold, I forget).Apr 24 09:20
msb__The thing costs $649, but I'll bet you can get an equally good-sounding one for $100 or so.  How much stereo separation can you hear with the speakers right next to each other like that, unless it's a foot from your face.  And why does anybody need a Raspberry-Pi computer inside their stereo anyhow.Apr 24 09:22
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MinceRtransistors are goo enough for meApr 24 09:23
MinceRs/oo/ood/Apr 24 09:23
msb__Yes, with the right circuitry so they don't hard-clip they should be perfect.  Certainly very low noise IC amp chips are available, and cheap.Apr 24 09:24
msb__I thought for hi-fi (that's what we used to call it), it was the output amplifier that used tubes for a more organic sound.Apr 24 09:26
MinceRsound cannot be organic, as it contains no carbon. :>Apr 24 09:26
msb__Good sound makes the dark carbon in neighboring hyperspace vibrate.Apr 24 09:28
MinceRlolApr 24 09:29
msb__And if there are people listening, they exhale CO2, thus confirming, in a sense, the principle of "If a tree fell in the forest but nobody was there to hear it, does it make a sound?"  Well it makes a nicer sound.Apr 24 09:30
msb__Unless there were birds living in it.Apr 24 09:31
msb__Science is complicated!Apr 24 09:31
msb__Hippie science even more so.Apr 24 09:32
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Sosumihttp://pando.com/2014/04/23/the-revolving-door-between-google-and-the-department-of-defense/Apr 24 10:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pando.com | The revolving door between Google and the Department of Defense | PandoDaily [ http://ur1.ca/h5s5n ]Apr 24 10:16
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Black Lab Linux 5.0.1 Enterprise ReleasedApr 24 11:08
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Kernel Song, Think Before Switching, andApr 24 11:09
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Black Lab Linux 5.0.1 Enterprise Released | Tux MachinesApr 24 11:09
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msb__Sosumi: That article about Google and the Department of Death is very informative.  Thanks!Apr 24 11:20
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Sosumihttp://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/23/apple-ios-osx-security-fix-criticism/Apr 24 12:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macrumors.com | Apple Leaves Users Vulnerable By Not Fixing iOS and OS X Security Issues Simultaneously - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/h5tfb ]Apr 24 12:27
Sosumicrapple always being slowApr 24 12:28
msb__Sosumi: I just watched the Ghost in the Shell movie.  Very artistic, and much more Japanese than the SAC series.Apr 24 12:30
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msb__Sosumi: Now I have  _Innocence_ ready to go.  After I've merged with it, I may not be the same msb__ that you've known...Apr 24 13:05
msb__The Net is vast and infinite.Apr 24 13:06
msb__Your effort to remain what you are is what limits you.Apr 24 13:13
Sosuminow go watch patlaborApr 24 13:41
Sosumithe 1st and 2nd movieApr 24 13:42
Sosumimade by the same guyApr 24 13:42
Sosumiand after that, avalon and jin rohApr 24 13:42
msb__Sosumi: Thanks!  From your name it's clear you are Japanese.  I'm glad you know about these things.Apr 24 14:15
Sosumino I'm notApr 24 14:15
Sosuminot even by a small amountApr 24 14:16
msb__Then at least you have the Japanese quality of Sensayuma.Apr 24 14:17
MinceR:)Apr 24 14:18
Sosumino idea of what that meansApr 24 14:37
MinceRsense of humorApr 24 14:38
MinceRnot very japanese, apparentlyApr 24 14:38
Sosumiwell I said I wasn't japanese, not even in the remotest senseApr 24 14:39
MinceRi mean, the word looks like 'sense o' humo'"Apr 24 14:42
MinceRs/'/"/Apr 24 14:42
SosumiI got it nowApr 24 14:43
Sosumisense of yuma as a "kewl" way of saying sense of humortApr 24 14:43
Sosumi*humorApr 24 14:43
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     China developing Linux-based OS after WindowsApr 24 14:51
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     US government accelerating development andApr 24 14:51
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MinceRred flag isn't good enough anymore?Apr 24 14:52
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msb__Here's my favorite bit of Inuyasha -- an anime' very different from Ghost in the Shell -- which I patched together from two videos on Youtube:  http://cosmicpenguin.com/rats/inuyasha--episode-26-Midoriko.aviApr 24 15:20
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msb__It plays on mplayer, at least.Apr 24 15:21
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MinceRhttp://sortofscientifictheories.tumblr.com/post/40481254276/why-you-should-not-clean-your-roomApr 24 16:01
DaemonFCErrr, relationship issues.....Apr 24 16:03
DaemonFCIt would have been easier to kill the SOB and hide the body than it is to call Sprint and get my damned phone working again. LOLApr 24 16:03
Sosumiit is much easier to hide the body if you incinerate itApr 24 16:04
Sosumibut you'd need a furnace for thatApr 24 16:04
MinceRsome people mention the lye method alsoApr 24 16:05
DaemonFCI'll just go all Walter White on him and dissolve it in acid....Apr 24 16:06
Sosumitaht tooApr 24 16:06
DaemonFCAnd nothing of value was lost that day...Apr 24 16:06
Sosumiactually how could have I forgotten the acid method :(Apr 24 16:06
SosumiI guess I'm kind of a pyro anywaysApr 24 16:07
*Sosumi goes grab the flamethrowerApr 24 16:07
MinceR:>Apr 24 16:07
Sosumiso how do you want them?Apr 24 16:07
SosumiEXTRA CRISPY!Apr 24 16:07
DaemonFCI tried to change my phone number using the procedure on www.sprint.comApr 24 16:09
DaemonFCIt said change number, reboot phone.Apr 24 16:09
DaemonFCI spent 3 hours on the customer service line. At one point, they even factory wiped the phone.Apr 24 16:09
DaemonFCI couldn't make voice calls.Apr 24 16:09
DaemonFCThen I called another guy this morning and he said "Oh, I see the problem. You had Google Voice on your last number, and our server integration wasn't reset. The last person you spoke with should have seen that right away!"Apr 24 16:10
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Acer turns a corner with another big contractApr 24 18:18
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cubezzzmangaged to fix the alignment problem switching from text console to XApr 24 18:24
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Amazon Web Services, Cisco, Dell, Facebook,Apr 24 19:09
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Designing a Prize for Usable CryptographyApr 24 19:09
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3971992 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3971533Apr 24 20:28
schestowitz__"I'm running it on my server. Coincidentally I'm sure, there's been a thread on the Fedora user ranting about how much trouble people have had with breakage on Fedora with updates. I'm not sure what to do about that. I'm discovering I'm having to take down XMPP (which I don't use much anyway) but otherwise, things are running much better than they were under CentOS."Apr 24 20:29
schestowitz__"Hmm, interresting, David. Are you generally more into RPM-based distros? have you tried other, non-RPM distros? if so, then what do you think about them?"Apr 24 20:29
cubezzzfedora was OK up to fedora 14Apr 24 20:46
cubezzzafter that it diverged too far from the original fc1Apr 24 20:46
cubezzzso if you were running 'old' stuff, e.g. openmotif based it had strange problemsApr 24 20:47
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora 21 To Get A Playground, New FeaturesApr 24 20:50
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     HP 255 G1 Laptop with Ubuntu ProductApr 24 20:50
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schestowitz__>>> http://www.infoworld.com/d/microsoft-windows/you-want-replace-windows-xp-linux-seriously-240986Apr 24 21:13
schestowitz__>>>Apr 24 21:13
schestowitz__>>> You've seen that one already.Apr 24 21:13
schestowitz__>>Apr 24 21:13
schestowitz__>> I linked only to a response. It's tired old FUD (always guaranteed toApr 24 21:13
schestowitz__>> get lots of it) and I don't need to feed it. If it was de Icaza, I would...Apr 24 21:13
schestowitz__> Apr 24 21:13
schestowitz__> It's better that way.  The response is what needs highlighting since M$Apr 24 21:13
schestowitz__> will be spamming the new sites with the other stuff.Apr 24 21:13
schestowitz__The comments should go under the response, helping to debunk the FUD under a suitable prelude. It also rewards the debunker.Apr 24 21:13
cubezzzah, I don't care what infoworld saysApr 24 21:15
cubezzzI'm not even going to read itApr 24 21:15
cubezzzspammy sites, heavy on javascript Apr 24 21:17
schestowitz__and spies on users now with twitter,FB, Google...Apr 24 21:35
schestowitz__"interactive" buttons on all pagesApr 24 21:35
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3978790Apr 24 22:17
schestowitz__"My 68 years old mom is using ubuntu. And with my support, i've seen 6 others change to linux over the last 2 years. And most of them use it for work on a daily basis. All of them are happy about the change and consider it to be faster and crashing less than windows. And based on my experience helping my friends, I second everything @Theaitetos said."Apr 24 22:17
schestowitz__"Smart Company is not so smart if they have to ask this question. Android demonstrated the answer years ago for people who had not bothered to move their desktop 15 years ago. GNU/Linux has been ready for most users for more almost 20 years."Apr 24 22:17
_Goblin.Apr 24 22:18
schestowitz__"Apr 24 22:18
schestowitz__My mother is 73. But she's stubborn. And like I say, she always has an excuse.Apr 24 22:18
schestowitz__The latest is, she doesn't keep her documents in any kind of sensible order. (Creating folders is *just* *too* *hard* I guess.) So when she attaches one to an email, she wants to look at the attachment from within the email program to make sure she attached the right document. Apparently Windows lets her do this.Apr 24 22:18
schestowitz__But it really doesn't matter. Even if this were fixed, she'd find another excuse. She really would.Apr 24 22:18
cubezzzagreed, since 1994 it's been viableApr 24 22:18
schestowitz__"Apr 24 22:18
schestowitz___Goblin: heyApr 24 22:18
_Goblin:)Apr 24 22:18
_Goblinhi....before you notice....yes I'm using iRSSIApr 24 22:18
_GoblinI'm not feeling l33t btwApr 24 22:18
_Goblinits awfulApr 24 22:18
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3978630Apr 24 22:19
schestowitz__"That's kind of a simplification. ARM may be unfriendly to M$ but much of the firmware and drivers in the ARM ecosystem are closed sourced binary blobs. This is why you can't simply download any GNU+Linux distto and install it on the average ARM Chromebook or tablet."Apr 24 22:19
_GoblinIt's akin to trying to eat soup with a forkApr 24 22:19
schestowitz__naaApr 24 22:20
schestowitz__it's not for your needsApr 24 22:20
_GoblinI can't really see who's needs it fits...Apr 24 22:20
_GoblinI used it years ago and now I wonder why?Apr 24 22:20
_GoblinI've read the man pages/docs in respect of it offering something new....it doesn't/Apr 24 22:21
_Goblinso its an IRC client that makes things difficult from the outset and offers nothing over any of the more easy to use ones.Apr 24 22:21
cubezzzdoes irssi work with gpm?Apr 24 22:22
_Goblinit certainly looks l33t though....terminal fonts///Apr 24 22:22
cubezzzthat might make things easierApr 24 22:22
_GoblinIt might be easier if you could access its features without a long winded command or editing a cfg fileApr 24 22:22
_GoblinI feel like I've typed a novel already just getting it set to what I wanted.Apr 24 22:23
cubezzz"it was a dark and stormy night..."Apr 24 22:23
cubezzz:)Apr 24 22:23
_Goblin"In a distant and second hand set of dimensions, in an astral plane that was never meant to fly"Apr 24 22:24
_GoblinBTW the closest to "it was a dark and stormy night" I've read in a book was a Raymond E Feist novel called Magician...that starts on a dark and stormy night...of sorts.Apr 24 22:24
cubezzzI'm still studying the frame bufferApr 24 22:25
_GoblinIrssi - for those who miss MUD but feel they are too old for roleplay.Apr 24 22:25
abeNd-orgL.O.R.D.!Apr 24 22:25
cubezzzX really didn't kick in until the late 80'sApr 24 22:25
cubezzz_Goblin, you might like naim better for text only ircingApr 24 22:26
_Goblinbut I have strange needs of an IRC client...Apr 24 22:26
_GoblinI want to use it to er....chat....Apr 24 22:26
MinceRirssi is greatApr 24 22:27
MinceR:)Apr 24 22:27
_Goblinnot to make my first conversations a list of commands to the software.Apr 24 22:27
cubezzzat least use ncurses :)Apr 24 22:27
MinceRsmart command line, good scriptability, good script management, lots of featuresApr 24 22:27
_GoblinI can do that with Xchat.Apr 24 22:27
_Goblinand before that years ago on mIRCApr 24 22:28
cubezzzugh, the dark eraApr 24 22:28
MinceRmirc has none of those thingsApr 24 22:28
_GoblinScripting?Apr 24 22:28
MinceRafaik its scripts are still monolithicApr 24 22:28
MinceRand they use a stupid languageApr 24 22:28
cubezzz"it was a dark and stormy era. There were windows users as far as the eye could see..."Apr 24 22:28
_GoblinI ran a fileserver for years with script on mIRCApr 24 22:28
_GoblinI didn't find it stupid....Apr 24 22:28
MinceRand i wrote a script to add a lot of features to mircApr 24 22:29
MinceRonly to discover that most clients came with those features built inApr 24 22:29
cubezzzhold on just a sec, what about unicode support?Apr 24 22:29
MinceRirssi has thatApr 24 22:29
MinceRalso recoding with fallbackApr 24 22:29
_Goblinbut really? this is a chat client....Apr 24 22:29
_Goblinto er ....chat.Apr 24 22:29
MinceRyes, and?Apr 24 22:30
_GoblinAre you running IRSSI?Apr 24 22:30
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MinceRi amApr 24 22:30
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MinceRi might switch to weechat though :)Apr 24 22:30
_Goblinand what do you use it for that you can't do with xchat>Apr 24 22:30
cubezzzYES  REALLYApr 24 22:31
MinceRi run it in screen and access it via sshApr 24 22:31
_Goblinfor example...Apr 24 22:31
MinceRfor exampleApr 24 22:31
MinceRi also get true transparency via the terminal emulatorApr 24 22:31
_Goblinthats a fair comment.Apr 24 22:31
_Goblinbut for ease of use and afterall this is chat we are talking about, is Irssi or any other similar really needed or is it a part of history lost in the annals of new ways of working?Apr 24 22:32
MinceRdunnoApr 24 22:32
MinceRit probably depends on what features you requireApr 24 22:33
_GoblinIts like the people who argue Usenet is still viable...Apr 24 22:33
_Goblinits not.Apr 24 22:33
_Goblinits dead except for the binaries and moody copies of films.Apr 24 22:33
cubezzzthere's still google groups, and yeah I still use thatApr 24 22:33
cubezzze.g. I read comp.lang.apl Apr 24 22:33
_Goblinyeah, I've been using that recently...it miffed many people as ggroups stuffs up threads.Apr 24 22:34
_Goblinive a tigerusenet account, but I've not got around to setting it up on this new(ish) isntallApr 24 22:34
_Goblin*instalApr 24 22:34
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cubezzzheck, fidonet is still activeApr 24 22:34
cubezzzthere's lots of interest in classic computingApr 24 22:35
_Goblinyeah...there's active and then there's just "being used"Apr 24 22:35
_Goblinthe bbs in an incarnation is still runningApr 24 22:35
_Goblinbut thats not to say you want it to be your repository of news/infoApr 24 22:35
cubezzzsome people even like the isolation that a BBS providesApr 24 22:35
cubezzzyour own small groupApr 24 22:36
_Goblinsome people have a balloon fetish, but thats not to say its the norm.Apr 24 22:36
_GoblinI met someone who claimed Jesus was being held at Area 51...there's a few of those.....Apr 24 22:37
MinceR:DApr 24 22:37
_GoblinI can accept your liking of irssi....Apr 24 22:37
_GoblinI cannot understand nor accept a balloon fetish...never been able to get my head around that.Apr 24 22:37
MinceRwhat's a balloon fetish?Apr 24 22:37
_Goblinand I'm frightened of them.Apr 24 22:37
_Goblinits er people who get er....Apr 24 22:38
_Goblinexcited over balloons.Apr 24 22:38
cubezzzmost people use windows, you could even say using windows is the 'norm'Apr 24 22:38
_Goblinyep. sadly it is.Apr 24 22:38
cubezzzthat doesn't mean you can't use other operating systemsApr 24 22:39
cubezzzor irc clients :)Apr 24 22:39
_Goblinany behaviour which can be attributed to a majority is classed as the "norm"Apr 24 22:39
MinceRwell, there's a window on the wall of my roomApr 24 22:39
MinceR"i hate windows. i have shutters everywhere in my house."Apr 24 22:39
cubezzzgroup-think is badApr 24 22:40
_Goblinnot alwaysApr 24 22:40
_Goblingroup think told ancient man to be frightened of aggressive animals with sharp teethApr 24 22:40
_Goblinyou didn't get a small group breaking away and trying to hug these animals.Apr 24 22:40
_Goblinor if you did, they ended up as dinner.Apr 24 22:41
cubezzz"all the cool kids wear nikes"Apr 24 22:41
_Goblinthats the power of advertising, to tap into the human instinct to group think.Apr 24 22:41
cubezzz"all the cool kids own iphones"Apr 24 22:42
_Goblindo they?Apr 24 22:42
_GoblinI'll make a note of that.Apr 24 22:42
_GoblinTalking of cool kids....Apr 24 22:43
_GoblinSports Yapper....sign up...its like Twitter but for sport....all the cool kids use that.Apr 24 22:43
_Goblinand I have to say I love it...Apr 24 22:43
_Goblin...right...this is awful...I'm going back to xchat...fed up...Apr 24 22:44
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_Goblinthats better...Apr 24 22:45
_GoblinI don't feel like I'm in an 80's hacking movie anymore.Apr 24 22:46
_Goblintried out the latest Mame binary today....fantastic piece of work....Apr 24 22:47
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_Goblingn.Apr 24 22:49
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msb__I was very grateful for irssi once.  I was installing a Linux upgrade and having problems with X.  I was getting help from the folks in #suse, but I couldn't restart X.  So I came in using irssi in a text console.  It only took a minute or two to get it running and get in.Apr 25 00:18
_Goblinthats a fair reason too, can't argue with that.  Personally if my machine was having such issues, most of the stuff I do would not be done without X....the idea to come into IRC would be last on my priorities....But I do however concede the point.Apr 25 00:21
cubezzzfunky, I can change console fonts on the fly Apr 25 00:23
cubezzzsmaller font == more lines at the same resolution :)Apr 25 00:24
_GoblinWindlings....or something.....that was a cool font......Apr 25 00:25
_Goblinor rather not so much a font, a collection of symbols...Apr 25 00:26
cubezzzI usually have at least 3 computers right next to meApr 25 00:27
cubezzzone computer is for experimentingApr 25 00:27
cubezzzone is a server, no experimenting on that oneApr 25 00:27
cubezzzso I always have an X session at handApr 25 00:28
_GoblinI'm still loving Peppermint 4.......Apr 25 00:28
cubezzzand there's dozens and dozens of console fontsApr 25 00:29
_Goblincubezzz, can't say I've ever had the need or desire to change em.Apr 25 00:29
_Goblinmind you, whilst I like a good GUI, there's one thing I love.....Apr 25 00:30
_Goblinthe CAT command....Apr 25 00:30
_Goblinits probably the most damn handy command I've ever used.Apr 25 00:30
cubezzzalso one of the oldest unix commandsApr 25 00:32
cubezzz_Goblin, some Russian dude might want a Cyrillic fontApr 25 00:50
_GoblinMaybe.....Apr 25 00:50
_GoblinAnd if we are able to clone a Pharaoh from DNA found in a pyramid they may want a hieroglyphics font.... I personally don't need them though and I'd suggest the vast majority of users don't either.  When I'm installing/introducing Linux to a new user, terminal font's are not one of my "selling points."Apr 25 00:52
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_Goblinbut then its horses for courses.....Apr 25 00:53
_GoblinI think the issue I have (and discounting the need some may have for irssi or terminal etc) is that many people merely use them to look l33t and when you challenge them as to why they use them, it transpires that its because it makes them feel more the expert by being able to still use their machine whilst making life more difficult.Apr 25 00:55
cubezzzno, I wanted to understand the frame bufferApr 25 00:55
_GoblinI'm not referring to you.Apr 25 00:55
_Goblinthere is, I expect many legit needs of these "l33t" packages and the needs of the terminal, but as I say, I think many use to be leet.Apr 25 00:56
_GoblinThat is why I'm so interested about the genuine advantages people find in these things.Apr 25 00:56
_Goblinlike irssi earlier.Apr 25 00:56
_Goblinand I can't believe nobody commented on what I thought was a great analogy to irssi.....Apr 25 00:58
_Goblin"Irssi is like MUD for those who feel they are too old to roleplay"Apr 25 00:58
_GoblinI'm going to tweet that.Apr 25 00:58
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cubezzzpersonally I agree with you about irssiApr 25 01:05
cubezzzsome things work much better with mouse+keyboardApr 25 01:07
cubezzzseldom used options in a GUI so you don't forget everythingApr 25 01:09
cubezzzI tried rat poison once as a window manager...Apr 25 01:11
cubezzzinteresting idea, but I just didn't find it intuitive at allApr 25 01:11
msb__When I used irssi during the Linux upgrade, X was working ok thru most of it, so I was getting advice using konversation.  But then when I changed something involving Apr 25 01:31
msb__...X, I had to go to the text console and back to X, but I couldn't.  That's when I used irssi.Apr 25 01:32
cubezzzyeah I'm in a room full of computers so I would just hop over to another computer in that caseApr 25 01:35
msb__That's great!  I've only ever had one at a time.Apr 25 01:36
cubezzzI can't really imagine not doing itApr 25 01:36
cubezzzthat way IRC is always full screen and I can do research, or compile stuff on another displayApr 25 01:37
msb__I just use 20 virtual desktops on the one machine.Apr 25 01:38
cubezzzI'm not one of those "matrix" guys with a 6 headed display though :)Apr 25 01:38
cubezzzseparate UPS's for each computerApr 25 01:38
cubezzzsee, if I'm mucking around with the framebuffer or changing video driver's... it's just better to have one box that is untouched so to speakApr 25 01:40
msb__That triple-header machine in the picture you showed a couple of days ago is very nice.  Apr 25 01:40
msb__Makes total sense.Apr 25 01:40
msb__Mostly I just find something that works and leave it.Apr 25 01:41
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/xmonad-tripleheader.jpgApr 25 01:41
msb__That's the one.Apr 25 01:42
cubezzzI'd rather just have three computers Apr 25 01:43
msb__I just have the one 27 inch display.  I even gave away the last one to a neighbor.  If this one quits I'd have to buy another, or at least a small one for $100 from Frys.Apr 25 01:44
msb__I might have an old CRT in a back room, but I don't remember if it works.Apr 25 01:47
cubezzzyup, the CRT era is definitely overApr 25 01:48
cubezzznot unless you can fix old monitorsApr 25 01:48
msb__Man those things were heavy!Apr 25 01:48
msb__I used to fix TVs.  But you need a schematic and a scope.Apr 25 01:49
cubezzzindeed, some of the old tvs were super heavyApr 25 01:49
cubezzzsome were over 500 poundsApr 25 01:49
cubezzzCRTs scared me a bit though, I was never comfortable with the case open Apr 25 01:50
msb__Big screen --> big vacuum --> thick walls on the bottle.Apr 25 01:51
msb__Keeping one hand in a pocket helps.  Also grounding the 25KV anode through a resistor.Apr 25 01:52
msb__The thing is a big Leyden jar.  It can whack you.Apr 25 01:53
cubezzzspeaking from experience? :)Apr 25 01:53
msb__Fortunately not.Apr 25 01:53
msb__I did get my hand across a 4KV capacitor once.  Smelled like burned chicken.Apr 25 01:54
cubezzzI've had some CRTs last over 30 years, it will be interesting to see how long my LCD's lastApr 25 01:54
cubezzzyikesApr 25 01:54
msb__Just the one hand.  Where it gets you is if it goes through the chest and hits the heart.Apr 25 01:55
msb__Hence the one hand in a pocket.Apr 25 01:56
msb__But with a CRT, you just connect one end of a known-tested-good cliplead with a resistor to the chassis, and the other to a screwdriver with a long plastic handle, and dig the blade under the rubber boot to the second-anode connection.Apr 25 01:59
msb__That only requires one hand.  8^)Apr 25 02:00
msb__Of course you unplug the thing from the wall first.Apr 25 02:00
msb__You're more likely to injure your back lifting it!Apr 25 02:01
msb__I made a 10X probe for my VTVM out of a plexiglas tube and a string of 10meg resistors.  So I could check the second anode with that.  I could even measure the voltage while it was running.Apr 25 02:03
msb__Maybe it was 20X, I forget now.Apr 25 02:04
msb__The Franklin Institute had a Marx generator with big capacitors that charged in parallel and discharged in series, creating a lightning bolt.  Very loud!Apr 25 02:06
cubezzzever play around with a jacob's ladder?Apr 25 02:06
msb__Yep.  I still have the neon sign transformer.Apr 25 02:07
cubezzzI always wondered what those things were for :)Apr 25 02:07
cubezzzaside from looking cool in moviesApr 25 02:07
msb__Yeah, other than bringing monsters to life I can't think of anything.Apr 25 02:08
cubezzzneon signs have pretty much disappeared haven't they?Apr 25 02:08
msb__It's alive!  It's alive!Apr 25 02:08
msb__I guess so.  There are fake neon signs using LEDs now.Apr 25 02:09
cubezzzwell, I'm not that old but I do collect photographs of TorontoApr 25 02:09
cubezzzit seems that in the 60s to 70s most of the neon stuff disappearedApr 25 02:10
msb__I'll bet there's at least one left in Greater Metropolitan Downtown Mountain View here -- all 4 blocks of it.  Chinese restaurants often had them, maybe still.Apr 25 02:11
cubezzzthis one's a pretty good example of the era:Apr 25 02:13
msb__I have two refrigerator pumps that I used to connect in series and made a good enough vacuum that I could get a glow discharge.Apr 25 02:13
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/a-and-a-sams-edison-hotel.jpgApr 25 02:13
msb__Very nice!Apr 25 02:14
cubezzzah, it's kind of a pity, the edison hotel is no moreApr 25 02:15
cubezzzmuch older shot, maybe 1950s, around that era:Apr 25 02:19
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/edison-hotel-much-older.jpgApr 25 02:19
msb__Is that a transmitter mast on its roof, or is it farther back?Apr 25 02:20
msb__Anyhow it looks like a medieval castle.Apr 25 02:21
cubezzzit's pretty oldApr 25 02:21
cubezzzbuilt in 1888, originall called the Empress HotelApr 25 02:22
msb__I like that name better.   Edison was a jerk.Apr 25 02:23
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/edison-hotel-ancient.jpgApr 25 02:23
cubezzzI think that's the oldest picture Apr 25 02:23
cubezzzyeah, if you look closely you can see "Empress Hotel" Apr 25 02:24
cubezzzoh and it's on the top part tooApr 25 02:26
msb__Yes, I can see both.  I wonder if the top one was ever a neon sign.Apr 25 02:26
msb__It's a beautiful old building.  A shame it's gone.Apr 25 02:27
cubezzzit wasn't at the top, but it did have a trapezoidal neon sign facing northApr 25 02:29
msb__Things change.  Mostly to make money.  But here in GNU/Linux/FOSS-Land, it's for love!Apr 25 02:29
cubezzzI get paid for linux jobs :)Apr 25 02:29
msb__Very good!Apr 25 02:30
cubezzzyeah, it's a bit more common nowApr 25 02:30
msb__So did you ever make a Tesla coil?  I kept thinking about it but never did.  However, I did have a Model-T ignition coil.Apr 25 02:34
msb__Also kept scoping out round metal things to use as the terminal of a Van de Graaff.Apr 25 02:36
cubelogno, neverApr 25 02:40
cubeloghad to change computersApr 25 02:40
msb__I had a tunnel diode and made some kind of circuit with it -- a VHF transmitter or receiver, maybe both at once. 8^Apr 25 02:40
msb__I would override the audio when my parents were watching TV (just once or twice).  Tapped the phone line too.Apr 25 02:42
cubelogI had a pretty nice VHF antenna, I could get Buffalo radio no problemApr 25 02:42
cubelogit got replaced with a new UHF antenna so now it's FM range seems a lot worseApr 25 02:43
msb__I used to listen to Barry Farber from New York in Philadelphia -- 90 miles.  Don't remember if it was AM or FM.Apr 25 02:44
cubelogno AM cards for computers, too much interferenceApr 25 02:45
cubelogeh, almost everyone streams on the net now anywaysApr 25 02:45
msb__If Art Bell were still on the air C2C would be worth listening to.  His guests often prophesied terrible natural catastrophes.  That never happened.  It was fun.Apr 25 02:49
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amarsh04Spot the robot: http://a2.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/c_fill,fl_keep_iptc,g_faces,h_365,w_652/ziln4tfkaqtuu6mipd4n.jpgApr 25 06:41
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MinceRhttp://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-24/obama-signs-law-banning-himself-entering-usApr 25 07:20
SosumiI'm not sure if I should be laughing my ars offApr 25 07:23
Sosumior just facepalm myselfApr 25 07:23
MinceR:>Apr 25 07:23
Sosumiho and today marks the 99th birthday of the armenian genocideApr 25 07:25
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MinceRgeekingsApr 25 09:35
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3979060Apr 25 09:37
schestowitz__"I'm just guessing the PCWorld story points out that scanning the email is part of Google's business plan. Encryption would defeat this. But I'm just guessing."Apr 25 09:37
schestowitz__IDG likes to prop up Microsoft's "Scroogled" attack adsApr 25 09:38
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3979026Apr 25 09:39
schestowitz__"10+ IcavotApr 25 09:39
MinceRidg serves m$Apr 25 09:40
MinceRalways didApr 25 09:40
schestowitz__IDC paid by MicrosoftApr 25 09:41
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3979622Apr 25 09:49
schestowitz__"Wait, is the US not going to Ukraine to fight for the democracy and freedom?"Apr 25 09:49
MinceRafaik it's not decided yetApr 25 09:50
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schestowitz__LOL http://dailycurrant.com/2014/03/07/ukraine-deploys-gay-men-to-scare-off-russians/Apr 25 10:56
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schestowitz__http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3l3tcbaaJ1rv7vqco1_500.gifApr 25 11:04
MinceRlol @ dailycurrantApr 25 11:26
schestowitz__https://twitter.com/peterfriese/status/459643617683193856Apr 25 11:42
schestowitz__Microsoft's booster Tony Bradley: http://www.forbes.com/sites/tonybradley/2014/04/24/the-case-for-making-windows-xp-open-source-and-why-its-a-bad-idea/Apr 25 11:44
schestowitz__Why are they giving MS boosters blogs?Apr 25 11:44
schestowitz__http://www.eetimes.com/messages.asp?piddl_msgthreadid=44816&piddl_msgid=297485Apr 25 11:49
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msb__The Daily Currant is a joke site; its stories are fictional.  But gays are one of the groups that Nazis -- like those that have overthrown the elected government of Ukraine with US help -- seek to exterminate, along with Romany, socialists, the elderly, and of course Jews.Apr 25 14:04
Sosumigays, jews and ethnical minoritiesApr 25 14:05
Sosumiand of course, russiansApr 25 14:05
Sosumibecause according princess leiaApr 25 14:06
Sosumi*cough* yulia tymochenk*Apr 25 14:06
Sosumigotta bomb dam russiansApr 25 14:06
Sosumi*according toApr 25 14:07
Sosumiit used to be fun to ridicularize north korean leadersApr 25 14:08
Sosumibut with those ukranian characters things have finally gone into the twilight zoneApr 25 14:09
msb__Nazis consider Russians to be Slavic untermenschen, but the main reason for attacking them is that they were (and to some extent still are) socialist.  Hitler's Nazis were paid to exterminate socialists and trade-union organizers -- paid by the ultra-wealthy in the US, and to some extent Germany and England.Apr 25 14:10
SosumiwellApr 25 14:10
Sosumiand what are the ukranians?Apr 25 14:10
Sosumiother than a mix slavs and polishApr 25 14:10
Sosumi*ofApr 25 14:10
msb__Hitler was not exactly a blond Aryan himself!Apr 25 14:11
SosuminoApr 25 14:11
msb__http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_NazisApr 25 14:12
Sosumiand by that demagogy, putin is more aryan than hitler or ratseniuk or princess leyaApr 25 14:12
Sosumidid you know yulia tymochenko isn't blond at all?Apr 25 14:12
MinceR> its stories are fictional.Apr 25 14:13
MinceRhttp://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/666/_57c8a1a431a592af806925e57258202f.pngApr 25 14:13
Sosumishe just dyes her airApr 25 14:13
Sosumi*hairApr 25 14:13
MinceRpoles are slavsApr 25 14:13
Sosumiand no noApr 25 14:13
msb__Please don't call her leya.  Princess Leia was a wonderful person!Apr 25 14:13
Sosumihitler was put there by london in order to break up the soviet unionApr 25 14:14
Sosumihe just turned west before going eastApr 25 14:14
MinceRalso, russian homophobia is not fictionalApr 25 14:14
Sosumibecause it was never to their conception that the blochviks thẽy had financed earlier would keep russia intactApr 25 14:15
Sosumiso in russia, they're afraid of men?Apr 25 14:15
Sosumihomophobia = fear of menApr 25 14:15
msb__I don't know why he attacked England, but he certainly invaded Russia and murdered about 20 million people.Apr 25 14:15
MinceRpossiblyApr 25 14:15
MinceRbut they're certainly afraid of homosexualsApr 25 14:16
msb__Putin does seem to have a fear of Pussy.Apr 25 14:16
MinceRjust like nazisApr 25 14:16
MinceRyeah, that tooApr 25 14:16
Sosumithe pussy riot demagogues entered into a church and started trashing the placeApr 25 14:17
msb__Are the Russians anti-gay?  That Currant story is a fake, a parody, remember.Apr 25 14:17
Sosumiwhat else would be done but to hold those not band at all idiots for vandalismApr 25 14:17
MinceRi haven't heard of trashing the placeApr 25 14:18
MinceRwho came up with that?Apr 25 14:18
Sosumiho but I've hearsApr 25 14:18
MinceRmsb__: remember what they did under the winter olympics.Apr 25 14:18
msb__What?Apr 25 14:19
Sosumiwhat did they do?Apr 25 14:19
Sosumitoothpaste bombs?Apr 25 14:20
MinceRdiscriminated against gays, accused them of spreading "gay propaganda"Apr 25 14:20
MinceRthreatened themApr 25 14:20
msb__Pussy Riot attacked gays???Apr 25 14:20
Sosumibut where have you heard that?Apr 25 14:20
SosumiBBC? CNN?Apr 25 14:20
MinceRmsb__: no, the russian government didApr 25 14:21
msb__Wiki says inside the church, but no mention of trashing.Apr 25 14:21
MinceRSosumi: i can't rememberApr 25 14:21
MinceRmultiple sourcesApr 25 14:21
Sosumihttp://www.takepart.com/sites/default/files/pussy%20riot.jpegApr 25 14:21
Sosumihttp://www.redletterchristians.org/wp-content/uploads/Pussy-Riot-and-the-Temple-Incident.jpgApr 25 14:22
Sosumihttp://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/3/6/6/67663.jpgApr 25 14:22
MinceRi see no "trashing" or "vandalism" hereApr 25 14:22
Sosumilooks good to meApr 25 14:22
msb__The masks are very unattractive.Apr 25 14:22
MinceRso's christianity.Apr 25 14:22
msb__True, but PR wears those masks all the time.Apr 25 14:23
Sosumitruly, examples of high moralsApr 25 14:23
MinceRit's easy to have higher morals than those of abrahamic religions.Apr 25 14:23
Sosumithe problem isApr 25 14:23
Sosumiwith all religionsApr 25 14:23
msb__Wicca and Buddhism are good.Apr 25 14:24
Sosumithere is one religion for the profane aka non initiated into the mysteriesApr 25 14:24
Sosumiand another for the initiatedApr 25 14:24
Sosumiwhat you read is nothing but the profane version of religionApr 25 14:24
Sosumifor the stupidApr 25 14:24
MinceRis that like the lower vs higher levels of scientology?Apr 25 14:24
Sosumino idea about scientologyApr 25 14:25
MinceRthey're pretty explicit about hiding higher-level details of the cult from outsiders and fresh initiatesApr 25 14:25
MinceR("don't read it yet or you will die"/copyright abuse)Apr 25 14:26
SosumilolApr 25 14:26
msb__The actual higher level of scientology is just pure racketeering.Apr 25 14:26
MinceRmost cults are like that, afaictApr 25 14:26
Sosumiforget scientologyApr 25 14:26
MinceR"give us more power and money or you're going to hell"Apr 25 14:26
msb__The war with scientology was one of the great battles that took place on the Net.  In alt.religion.scientologyApr 25 14:27
Sosumiand look at the old cults of which aristotle, plato, cicero, aristophanes, pythagoras used to belong toApr 25 14:27
Sosumiin those cults there was idol worship for the profaneApr 25 14:27
Sosumiand the fears of a dark and vindicative godApr 25 14:27
Sosumiwhile the initiated dedicated themselves to the study of physics, mathematicsApr 25 14:27
msb__Others are the Intel 386 floating-point bug and 9/11.Apr 25 14:27
MinceR:>Apr 25 14:28
Sosumiin truth, there is no godApr 25 14:28
Sosumionly the pursuit of knowledge, virtue and a the amelioration of man's condition hereApr 25 14:29
msb__The fascists/corporatists must sorely regret the introduction of the Internet.  The current elimination of Net Neutrality is one way they're fighting back against us.Apr 25 14:30
MinceRSosumi: so, what's the part of abrahamic religions for the initiated? where is it?Apr 25 14:30
MinceRmsb__: they're "fixing" it alreadyApr 25 14:30
MinceRnot just via eliminating Net NeutralityApr 25 14:30
Sosumiin the priesthoodApr 25 14:30
msb__MinceR: How else?Apr 25 14:31
MinceRalso via national firewalls (and other means of government censorship) and global surveillanceApr 25 14:31
MinceRalso, harmful lawsApr 25 14:31
MinceRSosumi: is it written down or is it communicated orally?Apr 25 14:31
MinceRhm, that's not well-defined enough for the priesthoodApr 25 14:32
MinceRi mean, do they just say it to each other?Apr 25 14:32
Sosumithey kept it for each otherApr 25 14:32
MinceRSosumi: have you heard what it is?Apr 25 14:33
Sosumiand as part of their initiation they were forbidden to spread that knowledgeApr 25 14:33
MinceRhow do you know it exists?Apr 25 14:33
msb__The Vatican robbed various libraries in the Middle Ages, but I doubt they have much that isn't common knowledge these days.Apr 25 14:34
Sosumiwhy do you think socrates was made to drink the hemlock juiceApr 25 14:34
MinceRi don't know, but i'm pretty sure he wasn't an abrahamic priestApr 25 14:34
Sosumiab-raamApr 25 14:34
MinceRjudaism, christianity, islamApr 25 14:35
Sosumiyou're just mentioned a religious doctrine that got perfected during the age of the ramApr 25 14:35
msb__For the same reason truth-tellers get chased out of nine villages.  People want to shut up sources that tell them things contrary to their beliefs.  It's part of the memetic defense mechanism in dominator culture.Apr 25 14:36
Sosumino idea why the hateApr 25 14:36
Sosumiwhy not hate its predecessors?Apr 25 14:36
Sosumithe cult semiranis and nimrod?Apr 25 14:37
MinceRwhat's the age of the ram?Apr 25 14:37
Sosumiisis and osiris? odin and frreaApr 25 14:37
Sosumithe ages are measured in the procession of the equinoxesApr 25 14:38
Sosumifor example, christianity appeared during the age of picesApr 25 14:38
Sosumithat was why yeshua was called the fisherman of manApr 25 14:39
Sosuminow we are under the age of aquriousApr 25 14:39
Sosumiseems to me like someone needs to go study some astronomyApr 25 14:39
MinceRafaik this has nothing to do with astronomyApr 25 14:39
Sosumiho it hasApr 25 14:39
msb__Hating is a pointless waste of energy.  But it's important to spread the truth that the JCI (abrahamic) religions are very harmful to people.  They all have a genocidal psychopath god, and are male-supremacist.Apr 25 14:40
MinceRastrology is not astronomyApr 25 14:40
Sosumiastrology is again something of the profaneApr 25 14:40
MinceRastronomy is not a religionApr 25 14:40
msb__http://www.evilbible.com/Apr 25 14:40
Sosumifilled with nothing more than mysticismApr 25 14:40
Sosumibut you could explain the cycles through allegoriesApr 25 14:41
Sosumiand it was to the initiated to understand the true meaningApr 25 14:41
Sosumiaka lifting the veilApr 25 14:41
MinceRif you understand them, you can explain them without allegoriesApr 25 14:41
SosumiexactlyApr 25 14:42
Sosumithe battle between osiris and typhon was nothing more than cycle between night and dayApr 25 14:42
Sosumithe arc of the convenant was nothing more than tracing a line between from where the sun rises to where the sun setsApr 25 14:43
MinceRnot ignorant people's feeble attempt to explain why there was a night/day cycle?Apr 25 14:43
Sosumithe virgin clothed with the sunApr 25 14:43
Sosumiis nothing more than the sun in the constallation of the virginApr 25 14:43
Sosumiand so onApr 25 14:43
Sosumiit is all allegoriesApr 25 14:44
Sosumihey the 12 apostlesApr 25 14:44
Sosumiand yeshuaApr 25 14:45
Sosuminothing more than the 12 months and the sun going through themApr 25 14:45
msb__http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjxSCAalsBEApr 25 14:47
Sosumiso it is much better to cast away the superstition and mysticism of whatever religion awayApr 25 14:47
*MinceR wonders what the bots are doingApr 25 14:47
msb__Bilkbot:  The 5th Dimension Age of Aquarius 1969 Apr 25 14:47
MinceR:DApr 25 14:48
Sosumiincluding the mocking of it, because it is a waste of time and instead you should pity the poor fools for not knowing betterApr 25 14:48
MinceRi pity da fooApr 25 14:48
msb__One of the great songs of the '60s Renaissance!Apr 25 14:49
SosumiI doubt it beat Tchaikovsky's 4th symphonyApr 25 14:49
Sosumiwhich is also my favourite songApr 25 14:50
msb__Competition among various good things is silly.  There is an infinite variety.Apr 25 14:52
SosumiactuallyApr 25 14:52
Sosuminot according to RockafellerApr 25 14:52
Sosumi:)Apr 25 14:52
msb__Psychic phenomena have been proven to exist, so it's possible that there's a psychic connection among the conscious species of the Universe.  This would be a sort of god, like the Net forms a sort of global mind on Earth.Apr 25 14:55
msb__But it sure wouldn't be the evil Jehovah.Apr 25 14:56
Sosumijehova is a just and aspect of zoroastrianismApr 25 14:56
Sosumi*just an aspectApr 25 14:56
msb__Did the Z god demand genital mutilation and subjugation of women?Apr 25 14:57
Sosumiactually all he demanded was do unto others as you would like to be done to yourselfApr 25 14:57
Sosumiaka the golden ruleApr 25 14:57
Sosumisame went with confunciousApr 25 14:58
msb__Well then, any derivation of jehovah from zoroastrianism is irrelevant.  The Z god was good (beneficial), J was/is evil (harmful).Apr 25 14:59
Sosumigenital mutilation aka circumcision was required to join the mysteries in EgyptApr 25 14:59
Sosumias for the subjugation of women, well if it is patriarchal society what else would you expectApr 25 15:00
MinceRhe also contradicted the "golden rule"Apr 25 15:00
SosuminoApr 25 15:00
msb__It is JCI religion that *creates* patriarchal society.Apr 25 15:00
Sosumiduring those times the definitions of freedom were much different from what they are nowApr 25 15:01
MinceRi would expect that people today don't proclaim the barbaric beliefs of an ancient society as eternal and perfect values.Apr 25 15:01
MinceRand yet you can see what happens.Apr 25 15:01
Sosumisince we are talking before common eraApr 25 15:01
msb__As Michael Parenti said, "There is one group of people that have always opposed and spoken out against slavery.  They were called 'slaves'."Apr 25 15:02
MinceR:>Apr 25 15:03
Sosumiactually, comparing the definitions of freedom from back in those daysApr 25 15:03
Sosumiall you have too look is at saudi arabia and some parts of indiaApr 25 15:04
Sosumiand imagine it more brutish and miserableApr 25 15:04
msb__I think the definition of "freedom" has been the same for thousands of years, because peoples' feelings when dominated have not changed.Apr 25 15:04
Sosumiso no point in lambasting at the old folks from the times when egypt was fertile and chaldea the center of the worldApr 25 15:06
MinceRi'm not lambasting them, i'm lambasting the ones who pretend nothing changed since thenApr 25 15:07
MinceRand that nothing should ever change since thenApr 25 15:07
Sosumithen KSA is that way ->Apr 25 15:08
Sosumi:)Apr 25 15:08
MinceRunfortunately, those people are not concentrated in KSAApr 25 15:08
Sosumieven iran and syria have evolved much betterApr 25 15:08
Sosumiand if not for the sanctions and isolationApr 25 15:09
MinceRfor example, the hungarian dictator is a christian fundamentalistApr 25 15:09
msb__Read _The Chalice and the Blade_ by Riane Eisler.  I hear it can even be found in the naughty place.Apr 25 15:09
Sosumiit would open itself more to the new and betterApr 25 15:09
MinceRand you pretty much can't have a political career in the usa if you're not openly fundieApr 25 15:09
Sosumiinstead of being kind of closed into themselvesApr 25 15:09
MinceRand of course the russian government is also entangled with a cultApr 25 15:09
MinceRapparently they replaced communism with a christian sectApr 25 15:10
msb__which?Apr 25 15:10
MinceRi'll look it upApr 25 15:11
MinceRrussian orthodoxApr 25 15:11
msb__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Easter_Festival_Overture 1888Apr 25 15:13
msb__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Church looks like it became the standard Russian religion starting around 1650.Apr 25 15:18
MinceRsure, but communism took over for a whileApr 25 15:18
MinceRalong with a cult of personality (cults? personalities?)Apr 25 15:18
msb__Yes, I just meant that Putin's "sect" was just regular old Russian christianity, not something unusual.Apr 25 15:19
MinceR:)Apr 25 15:20
msb__Also, regarding communism being a cult, the same factors affected Bolshevism as affected North Korea.  The USSR was invaded by troops from several capitalist nations immediately after the revolution, and millions of Russians were murdered.  Years later, the Nazis, financed by the US and other nations ultra-wealthy capitalists, invaded Russia and murdered 20,000,000 people.  These traumas caused the people to accept Stalinism for Apr 25 15:24
msb__protection.Apr 25 15:24
MinceRwell, it didn't protect themApr 25 15:26
msb__It protected them to an extent, and the Russian military bravely fought the Nazi invaders and defeated them.Apr 25 15:27
MinceRand killed plenty of their ownApr 25 15:27
MinceRand kept most of the rest in squalorApr 25 15:28
msb__That was the psychopathy of Stalinism, brought on by the previous trauma.Apr 25 15:28
msb__The russians were living in the mud before the bolsheviks pushed rapid industrialization.Apr 25 15:29
msb__They got a satellite up before we did!Apr 25 15:29
MinceRand then they continued to live in the mudApr 25 15:30
msb__Concrete apartment buildings.Apr 25 15:30
msb__not mudApr 25 15:30
MinceRooh, something worse than mudApr 25 15:30
MinceRconcrete boxes that they claimed were habitableApr 25 15:30
MinceRi know those all too well.Apr 25 15:30
msb__A huge advance in technology and industrialization in a few decades.Apr 25 15:32
MinceRwhich would have been much greater, were it not for the communistsApr 25 15:32
msb__It didn't happen in other primitive nations.  The communists focussed effort/energy on technology and industrialization.  That didn't happen under capitalism with nearly as much speed, because it didn't make a profit (at first).Apr 25 15:35
MinceRyet market economies turned out to be much more sustainableApr 25 15:36
MinceRand did much betterApr 25 15:36
MinceRwhile the russian empire crumbled and lost its grip on its satellite states.Apr 25 15:36
msb__You're mixing various very different topics here.  England also lost its empire.  And we can see that the US empire is creating nothing but millions of deaths.Apr 25 15:37
MinceRafaik most colony empires (including much of that of england) were given up voluntarilyApr 25 15:38
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gsmarena.com | Samsung Galaxy S5 pictures, official photos [ http://ur1.ca/h6e99 ]Apr 25 17:01
Sosumispot the differencesApr 25 17:01
SosumiI can start by saying that both look like crapApr 25 17:01
Sosumiand that samsung has employed that kind of design since the days of pocket pc 6Apr 25 17:02
Sosumihtc kind of tooApr 25 17:02
Sosumirounded corners were present on the htc tytn2Apr 25 17:02
Sosumiso who's gona sue now?Apr 25 17:03
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     We’re a partner in the industrialization of IT,Apr 25 17:28
TweetTuxMachines                 says Red Hat CEO | #RHSummitApr 25 17:28
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Top Ten Steam for Linux Best-Selling List –Apr 25 17:28
TweetTuxMachines                 Rust Is the King http://t.co/0BGW5jkzWKApr 25 17:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | We’re a partner in the industrialization of IT, says Red Hat CEO | #RHSummit | Tux MachinesApr 25 17:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top Ten Steam for Linux Best-Selling List – Rust Is the King | Tux MachinesApr 25 17:28
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Cubuntu Is Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Remastered withApr 25 17:28
TweetTuxMachines                 Cinnamon and GNOME ClassicApr 25 17:28
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/QRZlcu1MIfApr 25 17:28
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Cubuntu Is Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Remastered with Cinnamon and GNOME Classic | Tux MachinesApr 25 17:28
gde33I sill dont get net neutrality. The arguments seem hooked on a nice philosophy that is not practished by those told to preach it.Apr 25 17:58
gde33The way I see it, when the web started everyone made homepages, some grew bigger, some just had a donation button.Apr 25 17:58
gde33A tiny percentage started a sort of ponzi business.Apr 25 17:59
gde33what successful websites did wasn't so importantApr 25 17:59
gde33it was what unsuccessful ones did.Apr 25 17:59
gde33they just pulled the plug when the visitors didnt come anymoreApr 25 17:59
gde33at first everyone had traffic and goodwill worth thousands of bucks in the old ecconomy.Apr 25 18:00
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gde33then slowly everyone went to big websites facebook, ars, hackers news, etcApr 25 18:01
gde33now everyone is a corporate fanboy and they will cry about you even having a personal homepage, you weirdo!Apr 25 18:01
gde33Corporations that dont have to pay anything for their infrastructure, because that is the most neutral way of doing things? lol?Apr 25 18:02
gde33We've already assumed the postion of corporate slavery, net neutrality isn't going to save you from it.Apr 25 18:03
gde33I think the opposite, if all the entertainment is moved into containment we can finally be serious about thingsApr 25 18:04
gde33I wouldnt have to make cheap jokes about people all day long, nor have to listen to anyApr 25 18:04
gde33I still value peoples opinion, but if it has to come as an arstecnica topic with 400 postings in it, no structure or organization, no established authors. I'm just not going to read the sound bites.Apr 25 18:07
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schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3984037Apr 25 18:43
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Firefox is almost 13 years old, but it still uses an arcane, difficult interface like about:config for some rather basic settings.Apr 25 18:43
schestowitz__"... as long as it works - why not?"Apr 25 18:43
schestowitz__That's the thing. It STOPPED working for me and searching for a fix is too hard. In mobille, Firefox doesn't even expose proxy settings in the GUIApr 25 18:44
cubezzzgde33, there's been some ideas about thatApr 25 18:54
cubezzzgenerally for people who want to do their own thing, thereApr 25 18:55
cubezzz's old style BBSes, or they run there own serversApr 25 18:56
cubezzzs/there/their/Apr 25 18:56
cubezzzoops, cancel that last statementApr 25 18:56
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     NGINX Found Running 146 Million Websites--aApr 25 19:13
TweetTuxMachines                 Huge Web Server Success http://t.co/oWtlfI3UPtApr 25 19:13
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Enlightenment's Evas Adds OpenGL ETC2 SupportApr 25 19:13
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Swiss school invests open source savings inApr 25 19:13
TweetTuxMachines                 education http://t.co/QhevLePU69Apr 25 19:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NGINX Found Running 146 Million Websites--a Huge Web Server Success | Tux MachinesApr 25 19:13
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GeForce 700 vs. Radeon Rx 200 Series With TheApr 25 19:13
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Swiss school invests open source savings in education | Tux MachinesApr 25 19:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GeForce 700 vs. Radeon Rx 200 Series With The Latest Linux Drivers | Tux MachinesApr 25 19:13
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Software http://t.co/UyYz8DZDYJApr 25 19:13
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux MachinesApr 25 19:13
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Sosumifirefox's settings are okApr 25 19:58
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msb__schestowitz__: What's not working for you in Firefox?Apr 25 21:18
Sosumiprobably why firefox isn't enough safariApr 25 21:19
Sosumijust with a single settings paneApr 25 21:19
MinceR194419 < schestowitz__> That's the thing. It STOPPED working for me and searching for a fix is too hard. In mobille, Firefox doesn't even expose proxy settings in the GUIApr 25 21:21
MinceRthe Proxy Mobile extension exposes themApr 25 21:21
MinceRhandy for Tor/Orbot :)Apr 25 21:22
msb__FF has 8 panes plus lots of parameters in about:config.  But they're all pretty easy to find and adjust.Apr 25 21:22
MinceRunfortunately, they keep throwing stuff away, so you can only reach them in about:configApr 25 21:22
MinceRiirc recently they removed the javascript switch, for exampleApr 25 21:22
MinceRthey added that stupid URL trimming misfeature and you can only disable it in about:configApr 25 21:23
msb__You mean where it doesn't show "http://" in the URL slot?Apr 25 21:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Couldn't resolve host '"' ( status 0 @ http://" )Apr 25 21:24
MinceRyes, thatApr 25 21:24
msb__But if you copy it with the mouse you get that, so it's ok.Apr 25 21:25
MinceRit annoys me anywayApr 25 21:25
msb__So many people use FF that you can always find a fix by googling.  Also, there are lots of great addons.  I found an excellent one that made my smooth scrolling perfect (once I adjusted it).Apr 25 21:27
MinceRindeedApr 25 21:27
schestowitz__http://cdn.viralnova.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/irony22.jpgApr 25 21:28
schestowitz__MinceR: ahaApr 25 21:29
schestowitz__too lateApr 25 21:29
MinceR:>Apr 25 21:29
schestowitz__I moved to another browserApr 25 21:29
schestowitz__[21:25] <msb__> But if you copy it with the mouse you get that, so it's ok.Apr 25 21:30
schestowitz__Not alwaysApr 25 21:30
schestowitz__Google started this crapApr 25 21:30
schestowitz__and Firefox implemented this laterApr 25 21:30
schestowitz__something it does not copy the omitted partApr 25 21:30
msb__Can't remember that happening.  Are you using the latest version for Linux>Apr 25 21:31
msb__?Apr 25 21:31
msb__schestowitz__: So why did you switch?  What was the problem?Apr 25 21:32
schestowitz__proxy issuesApr 25 21:33
schestowitz__with tor probablyApr 25 21:33
msb__Sorry, not in my area of knowledge.Apr 25 21:34
msb__You might look for an add-on to fix it,Apr 25 21:35
cubezzzMicrosoft has enveloped Nokia :-/Apr 25 21:35
msb__Like an amoeba and its prey?Apr 25 21:36
cubezzzbasicallyApr 25 21:36
MinceRsuicidal prey, in this caseApr 25 21:36
cubezzzdoes Nokia make Android smartphones?Apr 25 21:37
MinceRthey make the nokia xApr 25 21:37
MinceRwith crippled androidApr 25 21:37
MinceRalso, crippled hardwareApr 25 21:37
MinceRso, typical nokia product after the fallApr 25 21:37
MinceRwith butt-ugly winblowsoid skinApr 25 21:38
MinceRbasically any low-end chinese android phone you dig out of the bargain bin is better and cheaperApr 25 21:39
MinceR(just like it's better and cheaper than any winblows phone and any hypePhone)Apr 25 21:39
DaemonFCWell, I guess it's just as well that my phone got a factory reset. I should have done that after the major android update anyway.Apr 25 21:41
DaemonFCIt seems to be faster now.Apr 25 21:41
DaemonFCI'm moving all my important mail over to gmail because it just works better with the chromebook and Android.Apr 25 21:42
cubezzzwatching Microsoft's acquisitions is probably a good ideaApr 25 21:42
MinceRindeedApr 25 21:42
cubezzzthey just keep acquiring more and more companiesApr 25 21:42
MinceRjust to show you that usian antitrust laws don't workApr 25 21:43
MinceRalso, they don't work anywhere else eitherApr 25 21:43
msb__Doesn't gmail scan all your mail so it can send you ads?Apr 25 21:43
MinceRit doesApr 25 21:44
MinceRit also keeps the back door wide open so governments can read your mailApr 25 21:44
MinceRthough i guess not wide enough as the red chinese did try to crack the backdoor for more accessApr 25 21:45
msb__This all is google's idea of "doing no harm"?Apr 25 21:45
MinceRno, this is google's idea of "doing no evil"Apr 25 21:46
DaemonFCmsb__: Yeah. Gmail has a folder of "promotions" now.Apr 25 21:47
MinceRthat's just where it files your ad-like non-spam mailApr 25 21:47
DaemonFCYou don't have to look at it and it doesn't count against your Drive storage.Apr 25 21:47
MinceRlike mailing lists you're willing to read :>Apr 25 21:47
MinceRof shops and whateverApr 25 21:48
DaemonFCThere's some battery saving app now from CleanMaster.Apr 25 21:49
DaemonFCIt says it saves battery power by shutting down apps.Apr 25 21:49
DaemonFCiPhone users that close apps tend to get worse battery life, because they have to load the entire app again and have it refresh each time they open it.Apr 25 21:50
DaemonFCI suppose Google knows this and that's why it just leaves it up to the app.Apr 25 21:50
MinceRindeedApr 25 21:51
DaemonFCI have an application from Qualcomm called Battery Guru that stops battery draining behavior anyway.Apr 25 21:51
MinceRalso, android suspends app ui processes when they aren't visibleApr 25 21:51
MinceRonly service processes keep runningApr 25 21:51
DaemonFCIt stops frivolous app refresh requests and shuts down my mobile data after 15 minutes of non-use.Apr 25 21:51
DaemonFCBattery Guru seems to help.Apr 25 21:51
DaemonFCIt stops apps like Facebook from refreshing in the background every few minutes.Apr 25 21:52
DaemonFCIt lets them update like once every hour or when it decides to turn your data back on. :)Apr 25 21:52
DaemonFCIt doesn't stop push messages when it's blocking refresh requests though.Apr 25 21:52
DaemonFCSo you know if people message you while refresh has been suppressed.Apr 25 21:53
DaemonFCI'd guess that I get about 30-35% more time on my battery with that app installed.Apr 25 21:53
DaemonFCFacebook likes to go in every 5-10 minutes and refresh the stream so it is always up to date when you look at it. But, I'd rather just have it take a few seconds each time I tap on it than make refresh requests so often.Apr 25 21:54
DaemonFCBy default, they're draining your battery to make their own app seem a little faster.Apr 25 21:55
DaemonFCiPhone users can't do anything about this.Apr 25 21:55
MinceRi don't use dumbFuckBook :>Apr 25 21:55
DaemonFCWell, with iPhone, you have to uninstall Facebook to make it stop, because it says it's a "VOIP" app, and gains access to background refresh that way.Apr 25 21:55
msb__Me either.  Saves 35% of my brain energy!Apr 25 21:55
DaemonFCThey get away with that because you can use facebook messenger to make voice calls now.Apr 25 21:56
DaemonFCI'll bet that's the only reason they implemented that feature.Apr 25 21:56
DaemonFCWithout it, they wouldn't have gotten that VOIP exception from Apple.Apr 25 21:56
MinceRi think you can also disable the appApr 25 21:56
DaemonFCNormal apps are not allowed to do that, because Apple doesn't give them access to that feature.Apr 25 21:56
MinceRoh, hypePhoneApr 25 21:57
DaemonFCI think this will be like the Zawinski's Law of Software Envelopment.Apr 25 21:57
MinceRhypePhone users are just harmking themselvesApr 25 21:57
DaemonFCEvery iPhone app will expand until it has voice calls.Apr 25 21:57
MinceRs/mk/m/Apr 25 21:57
DaemonFCB-)Apr 25 21:57
DaemonFCIf you want to be allowed to drain the battery, you just add some kind of voice calling feature to your app.Apr 25 21:58
MinceRjwz has a hypePhoneApr 25 21:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/rtJ7snacAhApr 25 21:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     LG opening up WebOS, Smart TV winning ravesApr 25 21:58
TweetTuxMachines                 http://t.co/X524G3Fb8LApr 25 21:58
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MinceRit's sad that his brain stopped working.Apr 25 21:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux MachinesApr 25 21:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LG opening up WebOS, Smart TV winning raves | Tux MachinesApr 25 21:58
msb__jwz?Apr 25 21:58
MinceRjamie zawinskiApr 25 21:59
DaemonFCyeahApr 25 22:00
DaemonFCSomeone that uses an iPhone asked me why I don't like Apple.Apr 25 22:00
DaemonFCyesterdayApr 25 22:00
DaemonFCI usually just point them to Stallman.org/AppleApr 25 22:01
DaemonFCHis list has all of my reasons for avoiding them and more.Apr 25 22:01
msb__http://stallman.org/apple -- lower-case "a"Apr 25 22:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | AppleApr 25 22:03
msb__Lots of good info there!Apr 25 22:08
msb__DaemonFC: Thanks!  I'll send it to some Mac-using friends.Apr 25 22:09
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MinceRhttps://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl4w9eLIAAAMreK.jpg:largeApr 25 22:24
cubezzzof course apple is bad nowApr 25 22:27
cubezzzoriginally they were OK with the apple IIApr 25 22:27
MinceRit always was, at least since the macintoy and the lisaApr 25 22:27
MinceRand the crApple IIIApr 25 22:27
cubezzzok, basically everything was bad except the Apple II :)Apr 25 22:27
MinceRwhat was the apple I like?Apr 25 22:28
MinceRand the various apple II variants?Apr 25 22:28
cubezzzit was a kit, you had to build it upApr 25 22:28
MinceRi knowApr 25 22:28
cubezzzApple II was kind of like a C64 with better expansion slotsApr 25 22:29
cubezzz6502 cpuApr 25 22:29
MinceRand worse graphics? :>Apr 25 22:29
cubezzzyeah 280x192 vs 320x200Apr 25 22:30
cubezzzbut it's 5 years olderApr 25 22:30
cubezzzit's what the rich kids bought in the late 70'sApr 25 22:30
MinceR:>Apr 25 22:30
cubezzzc64 debuted at $595Apr 25 22:31
cubezzzApple II was $1298Apr 25 22:31
cubezzzthe early 1990's was an interesting period for software developersApr 25 22:41
cubezzzthere was C64, Apple II, Mac, IBM compatibles, Amiga and AtariApr 25 22:41
MinceR"may you live in interesting times"Apr 25 22:41
cubezzzsome software houses didn't support all of them, but there were some that didApr 25 22:41
DaemonFCugghApr 25 22:42
DaemonFCa psychotic ex just showed upApr 25 22:42
cubezzzon the console side there was gameboy, nintendo, and sega genesisApr 25 22:42
cubezzzLoki Software didn't appear until 1998Apr 25 22:45
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msb__Isn't that a Microsoft API?  Psychotic-X ?Apr 25 22:53
MinceR:)Apr 25 22:53
MinceRa good match for RadioActiveX and DirectSuXApr 25 22:53
msb__DaemonFC: Where should we send the cops if you call for help?Apr 25 22:54
DaemonFCuggghApr 25 22:56
DaemonFCmaybe I should buy a gunApr 25 22:56
cubezzzMicrosoft owns a stake in UUNetApr 25 22:56
msb__DaemonFC: Are you OK?  Is he gone?Apr 25 22:56
cubezzzand Rogers too :-/Apr 25 22:57
DaemonFCmsb__: For now I think.Apr 25 23:01
DaemonFCHe got on my wifi and deleted a bunch of his accounts and shit and then claimed it was me that did it.Apr 25 23:01
DaemonFCand he says he's gone to the police about it.Apr 25 23:01
DaemonFCI don't know what this is about.Apr 25 23:01
DaemonFCI changed all my passwords, including my wifiApr 25 23:02
msb__Sounds pretty nuts!Apr 25 23:02
DaemonFCoh, if he even did itApr 25 23:02
DaemonFChe's a liarApr 25 23:02
DaemonFChe lies about everything, even stuff that doesn't really matterApr 25 23:02
msb__This could be an Lifetime movie, but they only do hetero psychotic-exes.Apr 25 23:03
cubezzzprobably a windows user too :)Apr 25 23:04
msb__On the evil ISP topic, Earthlink is owned by scientologists.Apr 25 23:04
msb__I hide my contact info in my domain record because I got death threats from some windows programmer!  He wrote a Windows program and was angry that Linux was taking people away from Windows.Apr 25 23:08
cubezzzhahaApr 25 23:08
cubezzzanyone I know?Apr 25 23:08
msb__He was in Silicon Valley, California.  Wrote a compiler supervisor program that would multitask.  I don't remember his name.Apr 25 23:09
msb__Somewhere near San Jose, Calif.Apr 25 23:10
msb__I had a nice address on Mars in there, but they made me take it out and do standard anonymity.Apr 25 23:12
cubezzzwhy did he get so upset at you?Apr 25 23:12
msb__314 Tsiolkovsky Way, Dome 6, Mars City, Elysium Planitia EP178R51Apr 25 23:13
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cubezzzit's true that Windows and Linux folks don't get along too well, but usually they refrain from making death threatsApr 25 23:14
msb__I don't remember.  Maybe I said Linux was better than Windows.  More than once.Apr 25 23:14
msb__COLA is full of MS advos.  That DFS that was in here a few days ago is a major one.Apr 25 23:15
msb__They're very nasty.  Post pictures of turds floating in a toilet, etc.Apr 25 23:15
msb__Maybe I said gcc was much better than MSC.Apr 25 23:16
msb__This happened in COLA.  So the guy was there to harass us anyhow.Apr 25 23:17
MinceRhow dare you? only m$ fans have the right to speak! :>Apr 25 23:17
msb__Right.  In our own newsgroup.Apr 25 23:18
cubezzzwell I bet if he knew the whole story he would change his mindApr 25 23:18
msb__Probably no mind there to change.Apr 25 23:18
cubezzzbecause everything, icc, gcc, pcc, all derived from Unix v7 ccApr 25 23:18
cubezzzand the Microsoft compiler is from Lattice CApr 25 23:19
cubezzzgcc is important though, since like the original cc it was open sourceApr 25 23:19
msb__Well it stunk back then.  I had to turn off all the optimizations or it would write totally bad code.  Divide by zero, etc.Apr 25 23:20
cubezzzso when gcc matured, yes that was a big dealApr 25 23:20
cubezzzand pcc also got started at Bell LabsApr 25 23:21
cubezzzhttp://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/HistoryApr 25 23:24
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msb__cubezzz: If cc was open source, why did RMS have to write gcc from scratch?Apr 25 23:28
cubezzzhe didn't want to use any AT&T codeApr 25 23:29
cubezzzhe can't just convert pcc to gplApr 25 23:32
cubezzzhe probably thought it was important to have a compiler with a GPL license, which would have been impossible with pccApr 25 23:33
msb__Stay out of the clutches of the Giant Amoeba!Apr 25 23:33
cubezzzthe whole point of the GNU project was the idea of copyleftApr 25 23:34
cubezzzthe BSD guys think differently on this pointApr 25 23:34
msb__Yep.Apr 25 23:34
cubezzzBSD folks say "We are the middle choice"Apr 25 23:35
cubezzznot copyright, but also not copyleft eitherApr 25 23:35
msb__So we salute them with our middle finger!Apr 25 23:35
cubezzzhaha, well...Apr 25 23:36
cubezzzI use the BSDs, and Plan 9 and LinuxApr 25 23:36
msb__Actually it's nice if we're allies.Apr 25 23:36
msb__When are you going to get a B6600 and write code in ALGOL68?Apr 25 23:37
msb__You could get a small reactor to power it.Apr 25 23:38
cubezzzwell that was related to APLApr 25 23:38
msb__I thought it came from ALGOL60.Apr 25 23:39
cubezzzah no, what I mean is my interesting in Burroughs is mainly due to my interest in the historical versions of APLApr 25 23:40
msb__ALGOL68 was supposed to be "orthogonal", meaning that every design principle could be applied to every type of object (I guess unless it was really ridiculous).Apr 25 23:42
msb__It had a double-layer grammer, that generated an infinite number of production rules.Apr 25 23:42
cubezzzthere was APL\5500 and... ummm APL\700 I think it wasApr 25 23:42
msb__The defining document had lots of references to Alice in Wonderland!Apr 25 23:42
cubezzzAPL\5500 ran on the Burroughs B5500 of courseApr 25 23:43
cubezzzso yeah we have the ALGOL68 source for APL\5500Apr 25 23:46
cubezzzI haven't really looked at it muchApr 25 23:47
cubezzzno free emulator for B5500 as yet, but people are working on itApr 25 23:48
cubezzzLinux has the ALGOL 68 Genie project, so I can use that if I really want to write algol programsApr 25 23:49
msb__Back when I was following the ALGOLs, only one group managed to make a compiler for '68, but it cheated and used a single-level grammar with kludges.Apr 25 23:50
DaemonFCmsb__: That's what sucks so much about having a psychotic ex that's the same gender as you. If you complain to the police or anything about it, then you have to deal with small town bigotry.Apr 25 23:56
msb__I was attacked by a cop in Philadelphia just because I had long hair.  Walking at night, nobody around, not doing anything.Apr 25 23:59
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DaemonFCThat's what sucks about having a crazy ex that's the same gender as you are. If you complain to the police or anyone about it, you get to deal with right-wing Indiana small town bigotry.Apr 26 00:00
DaemonFCThat's exactly why Jeffrey Dahmer wasn't captured earlier. The police actually returned one of his victims to him and then laughed about his "drunken gay boyfriend" instead of investigating what was actually going on in there.Apr 26 00:00
MinceRhttp://cl.ly/image/2C1T0N451E1bApr 26 00:00
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DaemonFCJudges can strike down whatever awful laws they want, but it doesn't change the fact that the public sucks. If the voting public wasn't a bunch of backwards retards, states like Indiana wouldn't have anti-equality laws to begin with.Apr 26 00:00
DaemonFCI put that on Facebook. :PApr 26 00:00
msb__cubezzz: I was just kidding, and also confused.  The successor to the B5500 was the B6700, not 6600.  I'm pretty sure it was a B6700 manual that I got, and was totally thrilled by.Apr 26 00:00
DaemonFCOut of an abundance of caution, I shredded my browser profiles with GNU Shred.Apr 26 00:01
msb__And those machines ran ALGOL60 (more or less), not 68.Apr 26 00:01
DaemonFCThen I rounded up anything that belonged to him, and threw it in the trash someplace else.Apr 26 00:01
DaemonFCI haven't done anything wrong, but unfortunately, that doesn't actually matter if the police want to harass you.Apr 26 00:02
cubezzzmsb_, yeah the only two Burroughs machines I know anything about are B5500, B6700 and B7700Apr 26 00:02
cubezzzthat's mainly due to my interest in APLApr 26 00:02
cubezzzoops, three machines :)Apr 26 00:02
DaemonFCThey might go into your house over one thing, but they're looking for anything they can stick to you.Apr 26 00:02
DaemonFCI might switch my OS over to Ubuntu and encrypt my home folder.Apr 26 00:03
msb__DaemonFC: Yeah, making someone wrong gains points for them.  A bad system.Apr 26 00:03
DaemonFCI didn't really want to encrypt my home folder because it slows stuff down.Apr 26 00:03
DaemonFCand if you need to legitimately recover your own data, that can cause problemsApr 26 00:03
msb__DaemonFC: As long as all your sexy pictures are of people over 18, they're legal, right?Apr 26 00:05
msb__So all the cops could get you for is making them cream their pants when they look at it.  Send you the dry-cleaning bill.Apr 26 00:06
DaemonFCwell, a copyright violation perhaps.Apr 26 00:06
msb__It could make them reveal (dare I say "expose") themselves.  Is there a law against De-Closetation of a Police Officer?Apr 26 00:07
msb__Defenestration, but that's different.Apr 26 00:11
cubezzzmsb_, I honesty am not sure if B5500 used ALGOL60 or ALGOL68Apr 26 00:14
cubezzzit might have been bothApr 26 00:14
cubezzzthe APL code was dated after 1970 at any rateApr 26 00:15
cubezzzI can't tell which version of ALGOL it isApr 26 00:15
msb__This is an interesting read:  http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algol-68Apr 26 00:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | ALGOL 68 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaApr 26 00:20
msb__I'm pretty sure the B5500/B6700 was designed for an ALGOL very close to 60, probably with some extensions.  68 was an entirely different beast.Apr 26 00:21
msb__A computer designed to execute ALGOL68 programs would have to have hardware extensions into hyperspace.Apr 26 00:24
msb__A good subject for a Rudy Rucker story.Apr 26 00:25
DaemonFCmsb__: I suppose there's no good reason to have tons of porn on my hard drive anyway.Apr 26 00:49
DaemonFCStream it.Apr 26 00:49
msb__Of course there is.  And where are you going to stream it from?Apr 26 00:51
msb__The only reason not to have tons of porn on your hard drive is if it causes an imbalance and makes the drive shake, which is bad for the bearings.Apr 26 00:53
MinceRlolApr 26 00:54
DaemonFC51.2 GB for the OS. 4 GB for the SWAP file, 1.86 TB for porn.Apr 26 00:54
msb__That sounds about right.Apr 26 00:54
cubezzzmsb__, you are right, it's ALGOL 60 with extensionsApr 26 01:01
msb__Yes, ALGOL68 was designed for trans-dimensional beings, whose minds are infinitely-indexed memory banks.Apr 26 01:04
MinceRturing machines?Apr 26 01:05
msb__Touring machines.Apr 26 01:05
msb__ALGOL68 is fun to read about, but it's very dangerous.  With its orthogonality, every piece of code will execute and do something, because anything can modify and define anything else.  Thus a simple typo in a program might cause it to generate a black hole when it executes, and swallow the entire planet.Apr 26 01:08
msb__It's like that program I wrote for the LINC.  It filled a large section of memory with random numbers, and then executed them as LINC instructions.  It wouldn't execute the HALT instruction, nor modify memory outside that designated section, but inside it, it could modify itself with total freedom.Apr 26 01:13
msb__I stopped running it when the computer began to glow with an eerie green light, and I saw these... creatures, swimming through the air.  Then they started looking at me.  I shut down that program, burned the paper tape it was written on, and never ran it again.Apr 26 01:15
DaemonFCMy next desktop computer will probably be a Chromebox.Apr 26 01:17
DaemonFCI like my Chromebook.Apr 26 01:17
msb__Is it all open source?Apr 26 01:23
msb__And user-modifiable?Apr 26 01:23
cubezzzthe chromebooks have seabios so that gets a thumbs up from meApr 26 01:25
msb__If you can't go through it and de-louse it, you'll be getting ads from porno distributors that you never heard of.Apr 26 01:25
cubezzzyou can change the OS, there's a few wiki's on how to do itApr 26 01:26
MinceRgnApr 26 01:26
cubezzzif you don't like Chrome OSApr 26 01:26
msb__cubezzz: That's good, but what's in the OS and utilities that go on top of it.Apr 26 01:26
cubezzzit's Chrome OS out of the boxApr 26 01:26
msb__Will Chrome fanboys be called Chrome-Domes?  If so, you heard it here first.Apr 26 01:28
msb__Google Chrome OS is a Linux kernel-based operating system designed by Google to work primarily with web applications. The user interface takes a minimalist approach and consists almost entirely of just the Google Chrome web browser;Apr 26 01:30
msb__...wikiApr 26 01:31
msb__Sounds like it's really embedded in  Google corp.Apr 26 01:32
msb__aka google gorp.Apr 26 01:33
msb__https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrome_OSApr 26 01:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Chrome OS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopediaApr 26 01:33
cubezzzyes well that's why I mentioned replacing Chrome OS with something else :)Apr 26 01:41
cubezzze.g. debian or whateverApr 26 01:41
msb__(suse is nice)Apr 26 01:41
DaemonFCChrome OS is really easy to use and the web apps are more powerful than I thought they'd be.Apr 26 01:42
cubezzzI assume Google gives out programming specs for itApr 26 01:42
DaemonFCIt runs on some really minimal hardware that even something like Xubuntu wouldn't run very well on.Apr 26 01:42
cubezzzso it should be possible to adapt it to any open source OSApr 26 01:42
DaemonFCcubezzz: There's the Chromium OS project.Apr 26 01:43
DaemonFCSo like almost all of it is open source.Apr 26 01:43
DaemonFCIt comes with a few proprietary bits though.Apr 26 01:43
DaemonFCFlash, for exampleApr 26 01:43
msb__OK, but if you come back and tell us that you're totally straight, and by the way have accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as you personal savior, we'll know they got to you.Apr 26 01:45
msb__I don't trust corporations.Apr 26 01:45
msb__Didn't we just see an article about how Google is totally working with the US govt on surveillance drones or something?Apr 26 01:47
msb__Oh yeah,   http://pando.com/2014/04/23/the-revolving-door-between-google-and-the-department-of-defense/Apr 26 01:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pando.com | The revolving door between Google and the Department of Defense | PandoDaily [ http://ur1.ca/h5s5n ]Apr 26 01:49
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     GNOME 3.14 to Be Released in September 2014Apr 26 03:43
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TweetTuxMachines@Steinhage       Hello webOS is out! http://t.co/SJBmneyXiiApr 26 07:04
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Preventing Heartbleeds, Red Hat Oversold, andApr 26 08:17
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Banana Pi: The next generation of single-boardApr 26 08:17
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Sosumihttps://twitter.com/AurelianoFerri/status/446220083153879040Apr 26 13:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AurelianoFerri: Arseniy #Yatsenyuk il "democratico" primo ministro dell'#Ucraina the "democratic" PM of #Ukraine http://t.co/Aa9ToNntBq thx @ZaRdOz420WPNApr 26 13:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ZaRdOz420WPN: Arseniy Yatsenyuk #RightSector #Ukraine #Fascism #Nationalism #Nazi #NED #CIA #IMF https://t.co/LZx0ABy9G3 http://t.co/iJd50dXVYhApr 26 13:10
Sosumiheil shicklegruberApr 26 13:10
SosumiRatsenyuk, following the steps of Stepan BanderaApr 26 13:19
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     AMD Catalyst™ 14.4 Linux Release NotesApr 26 16:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD Catalyst™ 14.4 Linux Release Notes | Tux MachinesApr 26 16:41
Sosumihttp://www.hardocp.com/news/2014/04/26/microsoft_may_halt_xbox_one_production/Apr 26 18:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hardocp.com | HARDOCP - Microsoft May Halt Xbox One Production [ http://ur1.ca/h6u2y ]Apr 26 18:07
Sosumilololololololol abd infinitumApr 26 18:07
Sosumi*addApr 26 18:07
Sosumiwanting to clear inventory before ramping production againApr 26 18:09
Sosumim$ lost it after halo 3Apr 26 18:10
Sosumiafter that the ps3 picked upApr 26 18:10
msb__Sosumi: Are you there?Apr 26 18:34
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_14ecbe7071b335908252.jpgApr 26 18:51
MinceR:)Apr 26 18:51
MinceRthat must be very uncomfortableApr 26 18:51
MinceRif it's made of that wireApr 26 18:51
schestowitz__watch closely  :-) it's a hammock hangingApr 26 18:53
MinceR:)Apr 26 18:54
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3978295Apr 26 18:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The reasons companies funnel money to "Linux" (foundation) is not that Linux is so exceptional compared to GNU but misnaming of the systemApr 26 18:58
schestowitz__"Apr 26 18:58
schestowitz__Linus clearly understands the benefits of software freedom and Linux, which is GPL'd, is clearly copyleft free software. Linus has decried binary blobs and has often talked about the benefits of group cooperation and commons.Apr 26 18:58
schestowitz__Don't let the Microsoft press tell you what Linux thinks, watch his speeches for yourself. An excellent speech to watch is the infamous "FU Nividia" speech. It is true that Linus told Nvidia to fuck off, but that is only a tiny portion of the talk. Most of it is about the benefits of having all sorts of people working on Linux, like how the combined expertise fosters solutions that would never have occurred to more focused groups on Apr 26 18:58
schestowitz__their own. While Linus does not say so out loud, you can see that he understands the tragedy of BSD and Unix which splintered.Apr 26 18:58
schestowitz__"Apr 26 18:58
schestowitz__+1 to that, on creating a riftApr 26 18:58
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/post/3987526Apr 26 19:00
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://joindiaspora.com/post/3987526 )Apr 26 19:00
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3987526Apr 26 19:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: State Dept Launches 'Free the Press' Campaign While DOJ Asks Supreme Court to Force Reporter James Risen Into Jail https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/blog/2014/04/state-dept-launches-free-press-campaign-while-doj-supreme-court-force-reporter #US #journalismApr 26 19:01
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SosumiI'm here nowApr 26 19:06
Sosumibut now I'm goneApr 26 19:07
schestowitz__exccellent news re xbox ooneApr 26 19:11
schestowitz__people have a day field with it nowApr 26 19:11
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux Graphics News http://t.co/epdhaa4d6ZApr 26 19:17
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_Goblinschestowitz, I don't suppose you are about?Apr 26 19:57
schestowitz__I am, what's up?Apr 26 19:58
schestowitz__recording?Apr 26 19:58
_GoblinyepApr 26 20:01
_Goblinif you want...Apr 26 20:01
Sosumirecording?Apr 26 20:02
Sosumian album about free software?Apr 26 20:02
Sosumi:)Apr 26 20:02
_Goblinyeah.....Apr 26 20:03
_Goblinlike a kylie and Jason type trackApr 26 20:03
schestowitz___Goblin: what time roughly?Apr 26 20:03
_Goblinwhat time suits you?Apr 26 20:03
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Open source core of Warsaw hospital e-healthApr 26 20:06
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Spanish hospitals test open source data portalApr 26 20:07
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source core of Warsaw hospital e-health system | Tux MachinesApr 26 20:07
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_Goblinschestowitz__, I can do anytime as long as it doesn't get too late.Apr 26 20:09
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MinceRhttp://danielpocock.com/android-betrays-tethering-dataApr 26 20:24
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schestowitz__tell me which channel nowApr 26 20:27
schestowitz__I can start nowApr 26 20:27
schestowitz__we can also quickly invite anyone who wants to be live on itApr 26 20:28
schestowitz__(just finished dinner with the wife and need to get to sleep before 10 or so, let's hurry up and start)Apr 26 20:29
_GoblinYep...DM;d youApr 26 20:30
schestowitz__yeahApr 26 20:34
schestowitz__getting there nowApr 26 20:34
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Linux engineer builds Raspberry Pi-basedApr 26 21:48
TweetTuxMachines                 Piphone for $158 http://t.co/XaXA7Y9bR2Apr 26 21:48
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Picuntu 5.1 brings Ubuntu 14.04 to theApr 26 21:48
TweetTuxMachines                 MarsBoard RK3066 dev boardApr 26 21:48
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Cern expands open source system use with RedApr 26 21:48
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cubezzzok, not necessarily open source but an interesting list of games re-released as freeware:Apr 26 21:50
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_commercial_video_games_released_as_freeware Apr 26 21:50
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cubezzzand games with source code released:Apr 26 21:58
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_commercial_video_games_with_available_source_codeApr 26 21:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | List of commercial video games with available source code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h6vs0 ]Apr 26 21:58
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     How POWER8 Will Win… Linux/x86 Server UsersApr 26 21:58
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     5 free open source and web alternatives toApr 26 21:59
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Fedora Vs. Mint Vs. Red Hat 2014 fromApr 26 23:39
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ThreeHosts.com | Cheap Web HostingApr 26 23:39
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TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Ubuntu Tweak 0.8.7 Has Been Released!Apr 26 23:39
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msbNot tiny content like tweets, but real text about important things.Apr 20 00:00
MinceRkeyboards can be connected to most mobile devicesApr 20 00:00
cubezzzlike xlib and motif! :)Apr 20 00:00
MinceRand built-in keyboards of laptops are inferior anywayApr 20 00:00
MinceRnone of them use Cherry ML key switchesApr 20 00:00
msbWe should encourage people to get laptops/notebooks, not tablets.Apr 20 00:01
MinceRlaptops and tablets are converging anywayApr 20 00:01
msbMuch better than touchscreens though.Apr 20 00:01
MinceRtouchscreens are just yet another featureApr 20 00:01
msbbut they shouldn't substitute for a keyboardApr 20 00:02
MinceRnot entirely, certainlyApr 20 00:02
msbkeyboard with touchscreen is fineApr 20 00:02
MinceRbut sometimes they work wellApr 20 00:02
MinceRfor example, on my phoneApr 20 00:02
msbbut not for originating contentApr 20 00:02
msbright, you don't write essays on your phoneApr 20 00:03
MinceRor typing when sitting on public transportApr 20 00:03
MinceRon a tabletApr 20 00:03
msbwherever you are, if you're writing real content, and have a lap, you're better off with a laptop than a tabletApr 20 00:04
MinceRholding a laptop on your lap can be rather awkwardApr 20 00:04
MinceRit's better to sit down at a desk and use a mechanical keyboardApr 20 00:04
msbmaybe laptops could have neck straps and belt connectors so you can use them standing up, if neededApr 20 00:05
MinceRthat said, my experiment of replacing my laptop (well, convertible tablet pc) with an arm tablet failedApr 20 00:05
msbyes, but you were talking about on public transport -- no desksApr 20 00:05
MinceRindeedApr 20 00:05
MinceRor we could have belt-mounted keyboards and wearable computers :>Apr 20 00:05
MinceRwith a head up displayApr 20 00:05
msbyepApr 20 00:05
MinceRor direct neural connectionsApr 20 00:06
msbUSB5, back of the neck, like in Ghost in the ShellApr 20 00:06
msb(I made up the USB5 part, but they do have sockets there.)Apr 20 00:07
msbWhat's the resolution of google glass?Apr 20 00:07
cubezzzhttp://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Wearcompevolution.jpg/1024px-Wearcompevolution.jpg Apr 20 00:07
MinceRwikipedia says it's 640x360Apr 20 00:08
msbUsableApr 20 00:08
msbLINC used to be about 40x20 textApr 20 00:09
msb5inch oscilloscopeApr 20 00:09
msbBeard is required.Apr 20 00:11
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*MinceR shavesApr 20 00:12
msbNo beard, dorky:  http://studenti.fisica.unifi.it/~calamai/images/Techno-Bill.gifApr 20 00:13
cubezzzsimilar to Steve Mann :)Apr 20 00:14
msbWhozzat?Apr 20 00:14
MinceRhttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_head-mounted_displayApr 20 00:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Optical head-mounted display - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h4gcy ]Apr 20 00:14
msbWow, lotsa those!Apr 20 00:15
MinceRindeedApr 20 00:16
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/steve-mann.jpgApr 20 00:16
msbThen I'd learn a one-hand chord keyboard.Apr 20 00:16
MinceRhttp://blog.laptopmag.com/google-glass-alternativesApr 20 00:17
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msbDamn firefox crashed and wasn't even using much cpu.  I probably shouldn't have 80 tabs in one of its windows.Apr 20 00:19
MinceR:>Apr 20 00:20
MinceRrecently i've found a way to cut down on tabsApr 20 00:20
cubezzzgoogle glass looks like an OK device for receiving information but you can't really output, at least I don't see any way to do soApr 20 00:20
MinceRit mainly relies on voice recognition for thatApr 20 00:21
MinceRit also has a small touchpadApr 20 00:21
MinceRhttp://www.smartglassesnews.org/smart-glasses/Apr 20 00:22
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MinceRa sufficiently smart "smart glass" could be used with some sort of keyboard, thoughApr 20 00:23
msbThe glasses should just be an output device.  Computer in ones pocket, on the belt, etc.  Much less weight on the face.Apr 20 00:26
msbgloves with sensors could act as a keyboard and implement QWERTY.Apr 20 00:30
msbNo retraining needed.Apr 20 00:30
MinceRhttp://readwrite.com/2013/10/30/five-face-saving-alternatives-to-google-glassApr 20 00:30
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msbThanks for all this great HUD info!  I'm just saving the urls write now because I don't want FF to crash again.  I have to clean out a lot of those tabs.Apr 20 00:32
msbright nowApr 20 00:32
MinceRnpApr 20 00:33
cubezzzI guess I'm always very memory conservativeApr 20 00:33
cubezzzI never use more than 4 tabs, and sometimes I don't even use firefoxApr 20 00:33
MinceRi've found it's easier to move tabs to bookmarks if i can determine the scroll percentage via the Scroll Progress extension and write it into the titleApr 20 00:33
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/basic-linux-3-is-lean-and-mean.pngApr 20 00:34
msbI have plenty more memory, but I think ff constantly cycles thru all the tabs and goes nuts if there are too many,Apr 20 00:34
cubezzz16 megs baby :)Apr 20 00:35
cubezzzyou want more colour?Apr 20 00:36
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/linux-486.jpgApr 20 00:36
MinceRicewm is nice :)Apr 20 00:36
cubezzzI'm pretty sure even BL3 could be improved uponApr 20 00:38
msbI keep leaving pages in tabs to look at later, but I forget to.  Apr 20 00:38
MinceRi did that a lotApr 20 00:39
MinceRespecially if i have already read part of itApr 20 00:39
MinceRi figured i could save them to files and print them to pdfs and let my pdf reader remember where i scrolled themApr 20 00:40
MinceRbut it was too much work so i didn't really do itApr 20 00:40
MinceRScroll Progress makes it a lot easier :)Apr 20 00:40
msbgood for lots of text in a page!Apr 20 00:41
msbTablet in the pocket with lots of RAM and SDRAM, running Linux, HUD and chord-keyboard or sensor gloves.  Wow, this could be doable right now!Apr 20 00:44
msbHow much do those good HUD glasses cost?Apr 20 00:45
MinceRdunnoApr 20 00:45
MinceRmany of them aren't even for sale yetApr 20 00:45
msbAre there any tablets that run regular x86 Linux instead of ARM?Apr 20 00:46
MinceRwell, the ThinkPad X Series Tablets can do that and are x86Apr 20 00:47
MinceRbut they're on the heavy sideApr 20 00:47
msbOf course there's the problem of batteries.Apr 20 00:47
MinceRthere's this >> http://linuxgizmos.com/kids-tablet-runs-android-4-4-on-64-bit-intel-atom/Apr 20 00:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Kids tablet runs Android 4.4 on 64-bit Intel Atom ·  LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/h4god ]Apr 20 00:48
MinceRbut i don't know if it can run GNU and XApr 20 00:48
MinceRthere's the ThinkPad Helix but i don't know if it will run GNU and XApr 20 00:50
cubezzzthere was a zaurus that ran XApr 20 00:51
msbHave you guys seen this movie?  http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0280674/combinedApr 20 00:51
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | The First $20 Million Is Always the Hardest (2002) [ http://ur1.ca/h4gow ]Apr 20 00:51
MinceRthere was also the series of nokia "internet tablets" (sized like pdas)Apr 20 00:51
MinceRnot yetApr 20 00:51
cubezzzI think SL-700 and higherApr 20 00:51
msbFictional, but has some good hacking and innovative I/O.  Definitely worth watching.Apr 20 00:52
msbLaser hologram display with finger tracking when you stick you finger in the hologram.Apr 20 00:53
msbAnd sensor gloves on a different machine.Apr 20 00:53
cubezzzjust put motion sensors on your finger tipsApr 20 00:53
MinceRyou might also need force feedbackApr 20 00:54
cubezzzit's interesting the touch screen desk from Tron never appearedApr 20 00:54
cubezzzas far as I knowApr 20 00:55
msbdoesn't ms have some kind of touchscreen desk?Apr 20 00:55
MinceRthey (and others) have touchscreen tablesApr 20 00:55
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cubezzzMicrosoft == Encom? :)Apr 20 00:55
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cubezzzI guess Microsoft is evil enough to be the MCPApr 20 00:57
msbTo want to be, at least.Apr 20 00:57
cubezzzthere's the Optimus TactusApr 20 00:59
cubezzzno restrictions on keyboard size or shapeApr 20 01:00
msbThere was a two-player game in BASIC like that motorcycle-make-walls game in TRON.Apr 20 01:00
cubezzzhttp://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/tactus/Apr 20 01:00
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cubezzzall those types of games derived from Atari DominosApr 20 01:02
msbI might have programmed the one in BASIC, called it SNAKES.  Very simple to program.Apr 20 01:03
cubezzzsorry, there's an earlier one... Blockade by Gremlin, 1976Apr 20 01:07
cubezzzalso ksnakerace :)Apr 20 01:08
msbI didn't say I invented it.  8^)Apr 20 01:09
cubezzzno, I realize thatApr 20 01:09
cubezzzI just meant Blockade predates DominosApr 20 01:09
cubezzzI'm sure many people have programmed a snake type gameApr 20 01:10
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MinceRthat was the m$ munchkin from last timeApr 20 02:32
MinceRgnApr 20 02:37
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SilverSlimerSo why are we boycotting Novell? (other than the fact that its products are generally awful)Apr 20 02:55
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WorkingWhat do you guys talk about here?Apr 20 03:48
WorkingHello?Apr 20 03:49
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schestowitz_bed2[03:01] <TweetSchestowitz>                 #MustWatch Some of the craziest shit I've everApr 20 07:55
schestowitz_bed2[03:01] <TweetSchestowitz>                 seen from USA #ThatsSayingALotApr 20 07:55
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schestowitz_bed2[03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> @qu1j0t3         Maddow covers the Sagebrush Rebellion.Apr 20 07:55
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schestowitz_bed2[03:01] <TweetSchestowitz>                 #MustWatch Some of the craziest shit I've everApr 20 07:55
schestowitz_bed2[03:01] <TweetSchestowitz>                 seen from USA #ThatsSayingALotApr 20 07:55
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schestowitzI finally know why files were being deleted from my server: https://drupal.org/node/277589Apr 20 10:24
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schestowitzWhat a bizarre thing to be doingApr 20 10:24
schestowitzhttps://twitter.com/reactos/status/457811220952014848Apr 20 10:30
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schestowitzhttp://www.tweaktown.com/news/37149/heat-seeking-drones-are-getting-the-420-on-weed-in-the-uk/index.htmlApr 20 10:35
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schestowitzhttp://freepressjournal.in/not-planning-to-take-over-alaska-jokes-putin/Apr 20 10:53
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schestowitzLOL: http://www.govexec.com/management/2014/04/analysis-we-need-more-secrecy/82798/?oref=dropdownApr 20 11:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.govexec.com | Analysis: We Need More Secrecy - Management - GovExec.com [ http://ur1.ca/h4kao ]Apr 20 11:16
schestowitzreducing incenstive to theft at the expense of tech rights in phones http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/180845-carriers-commit-to-kill-switches-by-2015-but-ruin-implementation-to-protect-profitApr 20 11:18
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msb__People suspect that the real purpose of the cell-phone kill switch is to allow government to erase witness evidence of police brutality and other govt abuses:  http://www.activistpost.com/2014/04/kill-switch-included-on-all-cell-phones.htmlApr 20 11:54
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msb__Look at this video of the Bundy ranch protest (1.3 million views).  Many people are holding up little black objects.  Those are cell phones on which they're recording and witnessing the actions of the soldiers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhJ6H9vlEDA Apr 20 12:11
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MinceRgeekingsApr 20 12:29
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MinceRhttps://plus.google.com/+jwildeboer/posts/RCw6yMuwzhBApr 20 15:20
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Sosumithe guys from the ufaa seem to also be targeting bill gatesApr 20 16:09
Sosumihttp://images.gasbuddy.com/images/blogimages/20120118124442toll.jpgApr 20 16:09
Sosumibill gatesApr 20 16:09
Sosumiif you go through one of thoseApr 20 16:09
Sosumiyou get billedApr 20 16:09
MinceRi see what you did thereApr 20 16:09
Sosumi:)Apr 20 16:10
Sosumilet me see if I can find the tweetApr 20 16:11
Sosumihttps://twitter.com/TaxWallStParty/status/457579582363688960Apr 20 16:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TaxWallStParty: A vote for #Hillary is a vote for #gates! http://t.co/we3Lw9PXBv #Gates We can do much better! #p2 #jobs #equality http://t.co/7ydvzDUj4zApr 20 16:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@EmperorBill: @GetUpStandUp2 @MSGunderson @ThePiercedBear @lapham_katie @McFiredogg Surprise! A vote for #Hillary is a vote for me! http://t.co/e6t5WflTLzApr 20 16:12
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> againstausterity.org | Welcome | United Front Against AusterityApr 20 16:12
MinceRwhy is a vote for hillarious a vote for gate$?Apr 20 16:15
Sosumino ideaApr 20 16:15
SosumiI guess I need to update myself again in US politricksApr 20 16:17
MinceRtell me when you knowApr 20 16:17
SosumiyeahApr 20 16:17
cubezzzpoliticians suck up to GatesApr 20 16:27
MinceRand they're bought by gatesApr 20 16:27
cubezzz"How should we run our schools Mr Gates?"Apr 20 16:27
Sosumiho yes the charter schools thingApr 20 16:28
MinceRWhat Do You Want Us To Buy Today?™Apr 20 16:28
cubezzzwell these days it's windows 8.1 :-/Apr 20 16:28
Sosumibill and mellinda gates foundation is a heavy supporter of thoseApr 20 16:28
Sosumiwindows 8.1 is actually goodApr 20 16:29
MinceRfor me to poop onApr 20 16:29
Sosumiif you're DrPizza_Apr 20 16:29
Sosumi:)Apr 20 16:29
cubezzzoh yeah and that secure boot thingie is greatApr 20 16:30
Sosumilove itApr 20 16:30
cubezzzplus not having source code, that's the cherry on topApr 20 16:30
Sosumiand I love it more when I update my mobo's firmware I lose the boot pointer for the OSApr 20 16:31
Sosumiforcing me to reinstall grubApr 20 16:31
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/secure-boot.txtApr 20 16:31
Sosumibut that doesn't happen with windowsApr 20 16:31
cubezzzhmmm, I can't say I've ever had that happenApr 20 16:33
SosumiI just wish the ppl responsible for thatApr 20 16:33
Sosumijust got run over by a carApr 20 16:33
Sosumior had a ton of angry cats fall on top of themApr 20 16:33
SosumidunoApr 20 16:33
cubezzzthere's some talk of using secure boot to lock out windowsApr 20 16:34
Sosumilock out windows?Apr 20 16:35
Sosumiisn't it locking out gnu/linuxApr 20 16:35
cubezzzone replaces microsoft's cryptographic keys that ship with windows 8 and then sign only the software the user wants to run on their machineApr 20 16:36
SosumiI've been saying that all alongApr 20 16:36
Sosumilet the user sign and backup the keys/bios settings to an usb flash diskApr 20 16:37
cubezzzso far you can turn off secure bootApr 20 16:39
cubezzzbut your idea is goodApr 20 16:39
cubezzzI know my bios settings well, so saving them isn't a big dealApr 20 16:39
cubezzzI sometimes switch between linux and freedosApr 20 16:40
cubezzznow, if I could have "set bios settings for freedos" and "set bios settings for linux" that would be coolApr 20 16:41
SosumiyepApr 20 16:43
cubezzzthere's a coreboot utility called nvramtool that may be able to do thatApr 20 16:43
Sosumithat could be called bios profilesApr 20 16:44
Sosumianother way is to use a board with two biosesApr 20 16:44
TweetTuxMachines@tuxmachines     Safety you can bank on: Chromebook, Linux,Apr 20 16:45
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Sosumino, absolutely notApr 20 16:46
Sosumiyou can't bank your safety on a chromebookApr 20 16:46
Sosumiunless you've installed a regular gnu/linux distro on itApr 20 16:46
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cubezzzthere's also some coreboot support for chromebooksApr 20 16:52
cubezzzin fact, I think they all come with coreboot built-in except for the first 3 modelsApr 20 16:53
Sosumino ideaApr 20 16:53
cubezzzit looks promising and google does seem to like corebootApr 20 16:55
cubezzzI'll have to try it sometimeApr 20 16:56
schestowitzhttp://indiandefence.com/threads/will-china-use-russian-style-tactics-to-settle-territorial-disputes-in-asia.45782/Apr 20 17:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-indiandefence.com | Will China Use Russian-Style Tactics to Settle Territorial Disputes in Asia? | Indian Defence Forum [ http://ur1.ca/h4n30 ]Apr 20 17:05
schestowitz[16:27] <cubezzz> politicians suck up to GatesApr 20 17:06
schestowitzThey have a sixth sense for potential (future) bribesApr 20 17:07
schestowitzThey rely on people like Gates funding them for OfficeApr 20 17:07
gulag2014You have articles on these Bribes? I'm not doubting you, but this is a brand new low for MS corp.Apr 20 17:08
cubezzzhttp://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=364Apr 20 17:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.corporatewatch.org | Microsoft : Influence / LobbyingApr 20 17:10
cubezzzcall it subverting democracy if you prefer :)Apr 20 17:11
cubezzz"The Initiative for Software Choice"Apr 20 17:12
gulag2014Simply amazing, thank you. As if I needed another reason to boycott. I have a few files that just don't display well in other office suites. I'm actively looking for replacements. Apr 20 17:14
cubezzzcampaign donations were "stepped up" 1999-2000Apr 20 17:14
cubezzzI've talked to some former microsoft guysApr 20 17:15
cubezzzsome are openingly blogging against their former employerApr 20 17:15
schestowitzthat's a good signApr 20 17:16
schestowitzthey're sort of defectingApr 20 17:16
schestowitzand this can shift public opinionApr 20 17:16
cubezzzsome are yesApr 20 17:17
schestowitzI was shown that even MS Jack started ptromoting non-MS productsApr 20 17:17
cubezzzthose without stock options and low on the totem pole :)Apr 20 17:17
gulag2014There must be censorship attempts. I read a few weeks back MS was paying Youtube personalities to post good reviews for the Xbox One. Apr 20 17:17
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gulag2014MS Jack?Apr 20 17:18
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cubezzzmicrosoft should have been broken upApr 20 17:20
cubezzzsomeone pulled some serious strings thereApr 20 17:20
gulag2014I was listening to the "Mike Tech Show" earlier. He mentioned they neglected to add a print function to the Ipad version of Office. You would have to save it to one drive and print to another device. How do release software missing such a basic feature?Apr 20 17:21
cubezzzeverything came to a head on June 7, 2000Apr 20 17:21
gulag2014I know that is trivial, it's just another example of releasing half baked products. Apr 20 17:21
cubezzzthey were really going to do itApr 20 17:22
cubezzzbroken into two units: one to produce the operating system and one to produce other softwareApr 20 17:22
cubezzzthe US Sumpreme Court declined to hear Microsoft's appealApr 20 17:23
cubezzzso it went back to the DC circuit court of appealsApr 20 17:23
cubezzzwhich overturned Judge Jackson's rulings against MicrosoftApr 20 17:23
cubezzzso on Sept 6, 2001 the DOJ announces that Microsoft will not be broken upApr 20 17:24
gulag2014I wasn't aware of that. What interest would it be of the United States Government to keep MS as one entity?Apr 20 17:25
MinceRbreaking up might not be sufficientApr 20 17:25
MinceRespecially considering how tightly entwined with each other the parts areApr 20 17:25
cubezzzit would have helped :)Apr 20 17:25
MinceRthey'd just have one part hack everything up and package it in dlls and then all the other parts just put loaders on itApr 20 17:26
MinceR(like iexplore.exe)Apr 20 17:26
MinceRbut it would probably be a step in the right directionApr 20 17:26
cubezzzsome folks argue that "the market should decide"Apr 20 17:26
cubezzzthat's basically what we have Apr 20 17:27
MinceRmaybe m$ should let the market decide, thenApr 20 17:27
MinceRinstead of forcing itApr 20 17:27
cubezzzof course the Big M manipulates all the OEMs, yesApr 20 17:27
cubezzzthe DOJ screwed up royallyApr 20 17:27
msb__And manipulates the public with lying ads.Apr 20 17:28
MinceRand bribes governmentsApr 20 17:28
cubezzzbribes or lobby'sApr 20 17:29
cubezzzhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initiative_for_Software_ChoiceApr 20 17:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Initiative for Software Choice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h4nhg ]Apr 20 17:30
gulag2014So what do you think MS next big plan would be. Cloud services with everyones data stored with them, subscription models for even the Operating System?Apr 20 17:31
cubezzzgulag2014, naturallyApr 20 17:31
cubezzzthey're running microsoft cloud commercials on broadcast television right nowApr 20 17:31
gulag2014Oh, haha. I don't watch tv. Apr 20 17:32
cubezzzPerens talks about ISCApr 20 17:32
cubezzzthat kicked in around 2002Apr 20 17:32
gulag2014I watched there last tech conference it was all about innovations in services. Not much was mentioned about adding any value to the "User"Apr 20 17:32
msb__Maybe they'll go thru the cloud data and blackmail people if they're, e.g., closeted gay, like Scientology does.Apr 20 17:33
gulag2014That is a scary possibility, but they promise not to read anymore of your e-mails. Apr 20 17:34
Sosumihttps://twitter.com/charlescwcooke/status/457911456634122240Apr 20 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@charlescwcooke: I wrote a cover story on Michael Mann for National Review. "The Climate Inquisitor." http://t.co/dehWMps3PsApr 20 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@charlescwcooke: I wrote a cover story on Michael Mann for National Review. "The Climate Inquisitor." http://t.co/dehWMps3PsApr 20 17:34
Sosumigot to love the coverApr 20 17:34
MinceRand we already know how much their promises meanApr 20 17:34
MinceR*and we already know how much their promises are worthApr 20 17:34
cubezzzit's worth it to follow Perens and Moglen, they know the scoreApr 20 17:34
Sosumileprechaun in the hood, when we are bad, we are goodApr 20 17:35
cubezzzEdgar Villanueva proposed standardizing on free softwareApr 20 17:36
cubezzze.g. the government shouldn't use propretary software since everyone has to deal with the governmentApr 20 17:37
cubezzze.g. government web sites shouldn't be IE onlyApr 20 17:37
gulag2014Give an example? I have never had any issues. Not that I frequent government websites for entertainment. Apr 20 17:40
cubezzzwell this is a small example but a while ago I had to pay a parking ticketApr 20 17:41
cubezzzthe municipal web site for paying parking tickets was IE onlyApr 20 17:41
cubezzzeven if you used windows with firefox it wouldn't work :)Apr 20 17:41
cubezzzbut I'm in Canada and so far the federal government web sites seem OKApr 20 17:42
gulag2014That's interesting. I do remember my state unemployment site asking for IE. Apr 20 17:42
msb__What if you just change the browser ID strings so it says IE?  Will that work?Apr 20 17:44
msb__strings--> stringApr 20 17:44
gulag2014My understanding is the site is written for certain browser. I think there was a company that would charged people more if they continued using any Version of IE under 8, to pay for the extra time. Apr 20 17:46
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cubezzzin the case of the parking ticket changing the browser ID string didn't workApr 20 18:09
cubezzzI don't see it happen often these daysApr 20 18:10
DaemonFCGoogle finally has me using Chrome as my main browser.Apr 20 18:10
DaemonFCIt's just a little too convenient when you have a bunch of other Google devices... :)Apr 20 18:10
gulag2014Oh the horror, yes if you live in the Google Universe, I would bet Chrome is quite useful. It is nice to have all your bookmarks synced. Apr 20 18:14
cubezzzI reject cloud computingApr 20 18:15
gulag2014I use it sparingly.Apr 20 18:16
cubezzzin the past computers were expensive, hence time sharing was necessaryApr 20 18:17
gulag2014I do remember, and disk space was expensive. What are we up to now, 6 Tb drives?Apr 20 18:18
DaemonFCI use it to share pictures and move my documents to the library computer to be printed.Apr 20 18:19
cubezzzin 1990 I had a 52 meg drive Apr 20 18:19
DaemonFCThey have a no thumbdrive policy.Apr 20 18:19
cubezzznow I have a bunch of 40 gig onesApr 20 18:20
cubezzzbut I use old tech a lot, so I'm atypical :)Apr 20 18:20
gulag2014I don't keep up with gadgets they way I used to. The biggest improvement for me has been SSD drives. I have avoided having to buy a new machine with one upgrade. Apr 20 18:22
cubezzzyou can get a ssd, 240 gigsApr 20 18:22
cubezzzfor around 100 bucksApr 20 18:22
gulag2014They are finally coming down. I was happy when it was $1 a gig. Apr 20 18:23
DaemonFCThat's the big problem with a Chromebook.Apr 20 18:23
gulag2014Maybe I can hold out and get a 500 for $100 in a few years.Apr 20 18:23
DaemonFCGreat computers, but Google decided to not support normal printers.Apr 20 18:24
gulag2014You can't use a normal network printer on Chromebooks?Apr 20 18:24
DaemonFCYou have to either buy a Google Cloud Print compatible printer, or install some Windows or Mac software and let them send the print job to your desktop computer.Apr 20 18:24
DaemonFCnopeApr 20 18:24
cubezzzI'm sort of a computing minimalist, I've done a lot of work trying to figure out how to run linux in low memory systemsApr 20 18:24
gulag2014What is that Google Cloud Print about?Apr 20 18:24
DaemonFCI like the Chromebook in general though.Apr 20 18:24
*cubezzz pats his dot matrix :)Apr 20 18:25
DaemonFCgulag2014: Instead of using CUPS and supporting regular printer drivers, the Chromebook and Android phones send the print job to Google, which sends it back over the internet to a compatible printer.Apr 20 18:25
gulag2014I liked the keyboard on the chromebook I played with. I had intentions on putting a light linux distro on one eventually.Apr 20 18:25
DaemonFCThat way, you have to share all your print jobs with Google and probably buy a new printer as well.Apr 20 18:25
DaemonFCIt's pretty bogus.Apr 20 18:26
gulag2014I don't like that idea of sending my print jobs to G at all.Apr 20 18:26
cubezzzand no parallel port I'd assume?Apr 20 18:26
DaemonFCof course notApr 20 18:26
cubezzz:)Apr 20 18:26
DaemonFCIf you try hooking up a normal printer through USB, the Chromebook opens a browser tab that loads a page that advertises Cloud Print.Apr 20 18:26
gulag2014Well can you save the file to usb, and print on a printer with a usb input?Apr 20 18:27
DaemonFCYeah. I don't see why not.Apr 20 18:27
cubezzzbah, just replace the osApr 20 18:27
DaemonFCI hate buying printer ink.Apr 20 18:27
gulag2014Haha...Apr 20 18:27
DaemonFCI just upload the documents to Google Drive and then print them off at the library.Apr 20 18:27
DaemonFCIt's still only 10 cents a page for black and white, and 20 cents for color.Apr 20 18:27
DaemonFCIt's a public library, so they don't have to operate at a profit. :)Apr 20 18:28
gulag2014I stopped buying printer ink. It's not worth it, because I just don't print often enough. I'm fine paying ten cents a page somewhere else.Apr 20 18:28
DaemonFCYeah. I only have a few print jobs per year.Apr 20 18:28
DaemonFCI probably pay the library less than $4 a year to print stuff.Apr 20 18:28
DaemonFCThey're like a block away from my house.Apr 20 18:28
DaemonFCPrinter ink is outrageously expensive.Apr 20 18:29
gulag2014It's $60 dollars for the ink for my Canon, I paid $80 for the printer. Apr 20 18:29
DaemonFCYeah...Apr 20 18:29
DaemonFCAnd HP printer cartridges have a time bomb built in.Apr 20 18:29
cubezzzwow that sounds like a great dealApr 20 18:29
DaemonFCAfter several months, they won't print and they trigger an "out of ink" message.Apr 20 18:29
gulag2014I still use it to scan stuff, other than that, I would have donated it. Apr 20 18:29
Sosumilaser printers are the way to goApr 20 18:29
DaemonFCThey might have 90% of the ink left and they'll say "Out of ink".Apr 20 18:29
DaemonFCIt's a major fucking ripoff designed to make you buy ink cartridges every so often, no matter how much or little you print.Apr 20 18:30
gulag2014My printer won't allow me to print grayscale without the other color cartridges. That rots of greed. Apr 20 18:30
DaemonFCHP lets you print black and white with the tricolor cartridge.Apr 20 18:31
gulag2014Agreed, Laser printers if I ever buy a new one.Apr 20 18:31
DaemonFCBut black looks better if you have a black ink cartridge as well.Apr 20 18:31
cubezzzIBM 3203 printer example:Apr 20 18:31
DaemonFCalso, most of them have anti-refill technologyApr 20 18:31
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/vm-sp-with-rexx.jpgApr 20 18:31
DaemonFCHP's time bomb keeps you from refilling themApr 20 18:31
DaemonFCafter like 6 months, they just refuse to print anything, even if you have original ink left in themApr 20 18:32
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gulag2014They all have rfid chips or some mechanism to avoid, fake cartridges now right?Apr 20 18:32
DaemonFCThey realized that people were spending $5 to refill instead of $60 for new cartridges.Apr 20 18:32
DaemonFCSo they put a stop to that. :PApr 20 18:32
DaemonFCgulag2014: They have a chip in them that records the day of the first print job.Apr 20 18:33
DaemonFCAfter so many days, the printer will stop allowing you to use that cartridge.Apr 20 18:33
gulag2014My goodness. Unbelievable Apr 20 18:33
DaemonFCI found that out when I had half a carttridge of ink left and the printer kept throwing "out of ink", "buy more here".Apr 20 18:34
gulag2014Buy more here, haha. The HP software brings you to their websiteApr 20 18:34
cubezzzHP used to be goodApr 20 18:34
DaemonFCgulag2014: Yeah. It even gives you a clickable link in the error message.Apr 20 18:34
DaemonFCSo, the library is a better deal all the time.Apr 20 18:35
DaemonFCEvery time the printer companies find a new way to fuck you.Apr 20 18:35
gulag2014Unreal, I hated HP on my Windows 7 box. It loaded so much useless bloat. Linux network printing and no bloatware. Apr 20 18:35
gulag2014I have spent more time fighting with HP printers for friends and family, than I have with virus removal. Apr 20 18:36
DaemonFCYeah. Their Windows driver is awful.Apr 20 18:37
DaemonFCThe driver itself is only like 10-15 MB....something like that.Apr 20 18:38
DaemonFCBut, it installs several hundred MB of shovelware and trial crap.Apr 20 18:38
DaemonFCIt takes about an hour to install it.Apr 20 18:38
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gulag2014Right! So why is the download suite like 300 mb +Apr 20 18:38
DaemonFCgulag2014: Mostly because of Windows XP.Apr 20 18:38
cubezzzright, why would you want to use windows again?Apr 20 18:39
DaemonFCXP didn't have any built in software to take advantage of all-in-one printers.Apr 20 18:39
DaemonFCWell, it did, sort of, but it reflects where those were in 2001.Apr 20 18:39
gulag2014Exactly, I don't miss HP software, that you can never remove. Nagging Java and Flash updates. Apr 20 18:39
cubezzzit's not even that hard to write a printer or scanner programApr 20 18:39
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DaemonFCSo, the printer makers had to include software that made up for deficiencies in Windows. Especially, Windows XP.Apr 20 18:40
cubezzzMicrosoft just tries to take advantage of lazy non-thinking peopleApr 20 18:40
DaemonFCOn GNU/Linux, the HP printer bundle isn't very big, and you don't have to use bloatware to access the functionality of the printer.Apr 20 18:40
schestowitz__We seem to have a problem when companies like WalMartASDA race to the bottom, taking the rest with themApr 20 18:40
gulag2014I had my friend printing in two minutes when I installed Mint on his system. Apr 20 18:41
DaemonFCI believe that on GNU/Linux, the bundle is under 30 MB and it supports almost every HP printer that connects over USB,Apr 20 18:41
DaemonFCI was using the hplip bundle with an HP printer I bought in 2002 until just a couple of years ago.Apr 20 18:41
DaemonFCI think that part of the problem that Cloud Print is designed to work around is that some printer makers don't offer GNU/Linux drivers at all.Apr 20 18:42
DaemonFCand Chrome OS is a variant of GNU/LinuxApr 20 18:42
DaemonFCSo, Canon printers, for example.... Those might not work.Apr 20 18:42
DaemonFCSo, instead of explaining why HP printers are supported, but Canon isn't, we have Cloud Print instead.Apr 20 18:43
DaemonFCI don't like Cloud Print, because I don't want to buy a new printer.Apr 20 18:43
DaemonFCThey could have supported traditional printer setups that have GNU/Linux drivers, and sent the user to Cloud Print if they didn't have a good printer.Apr 20 18:44
gulag2014Are you using the Chromebook now?Apr 20 18:44
DaemonFCNot right now.Apr 20 18:44
DaemonFCThey have an IRC client that it built on top of Chrome, but it's not real good.Apr 20 18:45
DaemonFCIt works...Apr 20 18:45
DaemonFCI suppose there's no reason why it couldn't be fully-featured though.Apr 20 18:45
DaemonFCWith further development, it might be.Apr 20 18:45
gulag2014Oh, Well I'm surprised they attempted to include one. So have you investigate installing Ubuntu or another distro on it?Apr 20 18:46
DaemonFCThey don't. It's called CIRC, and it's in the chrome store.Apr 20 18:47
DaemonFCI believe it is open source though.Apr 20 18:47
DaemonFCYou *can* install Ubuntu or Fedora on the Acer C720, but it doesn't have much storage on the SSD, because it's meant to run Chrome OS, which doesn't need a lot of storage.Apr 20 18:48
gulag2014I hate to say this, but anything that takes money away from MS is a great start. I'm not a huge fan of android or the Chromebook, but It's a start. Apr 20 18:48
DaemonFCYou can put it in developer mode and boot a real GNU/Linux distribution from the USB drive though.Apr 20 18:48
DaemonFCIt has a USB 3 and a USB 2 port.Apr 20 18:48
DaemonFCYou could buy a USB 3 thumbdrive and boot Fedora from there without disturbing Chrome OS.Apr 20 18:49
cubezzzI hacked up some chromebook info here:Apr 20 18:49
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/chromebook-prices.txtApr 20 18:49
gulag2014Yes, I don't even have usb 3. That is one of the features that intrigued me on such an affordable device. Apr 20 18:49
DaemonFCThe good part about the C720 is that you can get it on refurb for about $150.Apr 20 18:49
DaemonFCI got $5 worth of points on my Amazon credit card for that, so it works out to $145 for mine.Apr 20 18:49
DaemonFCI also got my cable modem/router on Amazon because the price cratered.Apr 20 18:50
DaemonFCOnly $99, and I got my triple points on that too.Apr 20 18:50
gulag2014That is extremely affordable. I just may hold out and see what System 76's offerings are a year from now. Apr 20 18:50
DaemonFCI had to go to Comcast's Fort Wayne office to drop off their modem.Apr 20 18:50
DaemonFCIt looked like the welfare office from Cheech and Chong's Up in Smoke.Apr 20 18:51
DaemonFCIt was pretty nasty.Apr 20 18:51
gulag2014Oh good. What are the rental fees now. Last I heard it was $7 dollars a month. Apr 20 18:51
DaemonFC$8 a monthApr 20 18:51
DaemonFCSo, you pay $99 once for the Netgear N450 or you pay $8 a month forever.Apr 20 18:52
DaemonFCIt seems to work a lot better than Comcast's equipment.Apr 20 18:52
DaemonFCI haven't had this one knock me offline once yet.Apr 20 18:53
gulag2014What? Why? I can't justify anyone doing that. Not when you can get a Motorola for $80 on sale. Apr 20 18:53
DaemonFCThe wifi signal is better.Apr 20 18:53
cubezzzgulag2014, you might find this interestingApr 20 18:53
DaemonFCThey recommended a Motorola one, but it was going to be about $170 for the one they wanted me to buy.Apr 20 18:53
DaemonFCThe Motorola had a 3 star certification from Comcast, while the Netgear had a 1 start certification.Apr 20 18:53
cubezzzit's a list of all bad stuff from Microsoft I've come across over the yearsApr 20 18:54
DaemonFCI have yet to experience any problems with the Netgear though.Apr 20 18:54
cubezzzhttp://www.maxhost.org/other/ms-dirtytricks.txtApr 20 18:54
gulag2014Scummy, complete ignorance of the consumer to do a simple Google search. Apr 20 18:54
DaemonFCCable modem companies hate Comcast certification.Apr 20 18:54
DaemonFCOne of them was complaining that it's basically just a way to make the time to market so bad that more people rent.Apr 20 18:54
DaemonFCand to get money out of them for the privilege of being "certified".Apr 20 18:55
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gulag2014I had no problem for six years with an old Motorola surfboard version one. The modem companies promise great throughput, but if you are not paying for 100 mb's down it doesn't matter. Apr 20 18:56
gulag2014I think the one I own maxes out at 40 mb. I was lucky to get 5, to ten, when I was paying for 15 to 20 down. I had really spotty service with Comcast. Apr 20 18:57
DaemonFCComcast's certification is just a big joke.Apr 20 18:58
DaemonFCThey brag that all of the equipment they lease out is 3 star certified.Apr 20 18:59
DaemonFCThen it crashes, resets itself, knocks you offline....Apr 20 18:59
DaemonFCThe Arris gateway they had me using seems to have no quality of service support.Apr 20 18:59
gulag2014I would wake up in he middle of the night to no service. They would place the blame on my router and modem. Even though it worked the other 16 hours of the day perfectly.Apr 20 18:59
DaemonFCIf you're downloading something, it will take all your bandwidth and you can't do anything else until the download is finished.Apr 20 19:00
DaemonFCbecause their modem isn't smart enough to prioritize other trafficApr 20 19:00
gulag2014I believe that. They magically have enough bandwith for Netflix, now that Netflix paid them. Apr 20 19:01
DaemonFCYeah. Their certification process for modems is like the debt rating agencies saying that subprime mortgages were AAA investments.Apr 20 19:01
DaemonFCIt lets Comcast get these cheap no name modems that are completely terrible, rent them out for $8 a month, and say they're 3 star certified on Comcast's network.Apr 20 19:01
gulag2014So it's just a fraud basically. Ontop of the Dvr you pay a month. When I had tv I would just use a hdhomerun and Windows Media Center. Apr 20 19:02
DaemonFChttp://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-DOCSIS-Cable-Router-N450-100NAS/dp/B00HC0ZDOEApr 20 19:03
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DaemonFCLooks like the price went up $20 since I bought mine.Apr 20 19:03
DaemonFCStill a better deal than renting though.Apr 20 19:03
gulag2014I asked can I purchase the Dvr? No, you can not. But it's only good on your cable anyway, I don't want to rent anymore. They even charged a rental for the remote. Apr 20 19:03
gulag2014So I went on Ebay and purchased a remote for $4. They looked confused when I returned theirs. Apr 20 19:04
gulag2014Nice, years ago modem/router combos for Cable internet were hard to find. I had separate device for years, I had a few netgear combos crap out on me. Apr 20 19:06
gulag2014I'm sort of electricity conscious, I never liked having several devices on 24 hours a day. Not that it's that expensive. I just don't prefer it. Apr 20 19:08
DaemonFCgulag2014: You can buy your own DVR.Apr 20 19:12
DaemonFCThat gets you out of the equipment rental fee, but not the DVR service fee.Apr 20 19:12
DaemonFCAs long as the DVR is CableCARD compatible. I think Comcast charges like $1 a month to rent a CableCARD.Apr 20 19:13
DaemonFCI believe the DVR rental fee is like $16.99 a month, for each one you are renting.Apr 20 19:13
gulag2014Yes, you are right. I have a cable card feature on my tv, but I believe you loose the program guide. Apr 20 19:13
DaemonFCThe satellite companies have whole home DVR for $10 a month, which lets you rent one HD-DVR and the rest are just boxes that can stream from the DVR.Apr 20 19:14
DaemonFCComcast's equipment rental fees are where all the money is.Apr 20 19:14
gulag2014I have heard that too. Sort of like a slingbox or xbox 360Apr 20 19:14
DaemonFCThey probably pay $60-70 per cable gateway because they have bulk buying power.Apr 20 19:15
DaemonFCThen they can rent them out for 10 years before they need to be replaced.Apr 20 19:15
DaemonFCSo they're basically making 10-12 times what the gateway cost them.Apr 20 19:15
DaemonFCIt's pure profit.Apr 20 19:15
DaemonFCThey can also jack the rental price up at any time, for the existing equipment that's been sitting in your living room for years. :PApr 20 19:16
gulag2014I don't care for much on TV anyway. I cut the cord in 2006, had basic cable with comcast, until they started charging $21 dollars just for broadcast channels. Apr 20 19:16
gulag2014I tried Aereo for a month, they allow you to schedule recordings for around $8 a month. I canceled it, I just wasn't watching tv  often enough. Apr 20 19:18
MinceR191411 < gulag2014> Oh the horror, yes if you live in the Google Universe, I would bet Chrome is quite useful. It is nice to have all your bookmarks synced. Apr 20 19:20
MinceRyou can run firefox sync on your own server, afaikApr 20 19:21
gulag2014I have an interest in that in the future, thanks for the tip. I had read about owncloud. When i get another build started I may convert this pc into a personal server. Apr 20 19:22
MinceR:)Apr 20 19:22
gulag2014I do have a Google account, begrudgingly. I get a little tense when I noticed I forgot to log out, I realize that all my Youtube searches are being recorded. Apr 20 19:24
gulag2014I managed to survive without Facebook, Twitter, or Google +Apr 20 19:25
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schestowitz__"The only think that legitimates mainstream religions is that they're old, that way you have no way to know their founders first-hand."Apr 20 19:26
schestowitz__"@Cronos - you have some valid point when it comes to the issue with verification ... however, this type of argument is probobly rejectable anyway if we are about to say that "tradition is good because it's old". IMO every tradition which causes some kind of harm to ANYONE is BAD and has to be changed. Most religion [probobly excluding buddhism] have made a lot of harm in this world, as they are exclusive in a sense, that they Apr 20 19:26
schestowitz__EXCLUDE other people who are non-believers from their circle of "friends". Thus all the religious wars, etc."Apr 20 19:26
cubezzzthe United Church was/is inclusionistApr 20 19:31
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schestowitz__"But not enough to go outside Europe yet."Apr 20 19:35
schestowitz__"So what happened with the China plans? Why were they shelved?"Apr 20 19:35
schestowitz__"Or they weren't? I think Jolla made a deal with some carriers there, but that didn't work out?"Apr 20 19:35
schestowitz__"I'm personally waiting for them to produce a device with normal modem which is not limited to European frequencies."Apr 20 19:35
schestowitz__My wife wants to buy one (UK)Apr 20 19:35
schestowitz__"@Shmerl as I know Jolla aimed also at China from the beginning and they port Sailfish OS for other Android devices and maybe some other company will use sailfish OS on their devices."Apr 20 19:36
DaemonFCgulag2014: I just use an antenna.Apr 20 19:57
DaemonFCI only wanted the basic channels anyway. Comcast wants $20 a month for that now, which is ridiculous.Apr 20 19:58
cubezzzhe's missing all the microsoft cloud ads!Apr 20 19:58
DaemonFCcubezzz: Chrome Adblock.Apr 20 20:01
DaemonFCI do believe that Microsoft has a Onedrive app for Chrome.Apr 20 20:01
DaemonFCGoogle seems to tolerate Microsoft offering apps for Chrome OS and Android.Apr 20 20:01
DaemonFCGoogle has apps for Windows though.Apr 20 20:05
DaemonFCThat's not like it's an even exchange.... Most people don't use Windows mobile, and most people just ignore the Windows store in Windows 8 and use it like it was Windows 7.Apr 20 20:05
DaemonFCWatching Star Trek: Enterprise. :PApr 20 20:08
DaemonFCI got through DS9 last year.Apr 20 20:08
DaemonFCThe part about the Bell Riots in the 2020s in the United States seemed to be disturbingly possible.Apr 20 20:09
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schestowitz__"Also i hate the use of the word annexation since in the Crimea people voted to join Russia..."Apr 20 20:10
DaemonFCThe poor grew so numerous that the rich and middle class decided to round them up and put them in walled slum areas so that they wouldn't have to see them.Apr 20 20:10
schestowitz__The West's intervention led to it.Apr 20 20:10
schestowitz__"The Russians are not going to do anything, but if NATO/USA keep pushing we do not know what could happen..."Apr 20 20:10
schestowitz__Turf/proxy wars, like in SyriaApr 20 20:10
schestowitz__"The west intervened... what do you think would happen if some Russians went to Mexico to destabilize the country, overthrew the government and put some Russian puppets there... and maybe took over some bases..."Apr 20 20:18
schestowitz__Exactly my pointApr 20 20:18
schestowitz__USSR did do some similar stuff in CubaApr 20 20:19
schestowitz__http://www.muktware.com/2014/04/steam-controller-may-arrive-year-end/25611Apr 20 20:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.muktware.com | Steam controller may not arrive until year end | Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/h4ppt ]Apr 20 20:24
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3957086Apr 20 20:26
schestowitz__"Cuba wanted protection against the big enemy, but yes it got a little out of hand to say the least when Khrushchev started bringing in missiles... and i think Ukraine is getting just as dangerous..."Apr 20 20:26
schestowitz__http://www.muktware.com/2014/04/obama-allows-nsa-exploit-security-bugs-like-heartbleed/25558Apr 20 20:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.muktware.com | Obama allows NSA to exploit security bugs like Heartbleed | Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/h4pqm ]Apr 20 20:27
_Goblinschestowitz__, we'll defo record tomorrow.....Apr 20 20:30
_Goblinjust got finished up (RSL v Timbers)Apr 20 20:30
schestowitz__https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3957363 Apr 20 20:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@silpol@diasp.eu: All sent and received e-mails in #Gmail will be analyzed, says #Google via #ArsTechnica via @bnox http://bit.ly/1iBzkzq #privacyApr 20 20:36
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schestowitz__Like Microsoft and yahooApr 20 20:36
schestowitz___Goblin: ok, tomorrow then :-)Apr 20 20:36
MinceRi'm Jack's complete lack of surpriseApr 20 20:36
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