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| msb | To originate content, one needs a real keyboard and a good-sized screen. | Apr 20 00:00 |
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| msb | Not tiny content like tweets, but real text about important things. | Apr 20 00:00 |
| MinceR | keyboards can be connected to most mobile devices | Apr 20 00:00 |
| cubezzz | like xlib and motif! :) | Apr 20 00:00 |
| MinceR | and built-in keyboards of laptops are inferior anyway | Apr 20 00:01 |
| MinceR | none of them use Cherry ML key switches | Apr 20 00:01 |
| msb | We should encourage people to get laptops/notebooks, not tablets. | Apr 20 00:01 |
| MinceR | laptops and tablets are converging anyway | Apr 20 00:01 |
| msb | Much better than touchscreens though. | Apr 20 00:02 |
| MinceR | touchscreens are just yet another feature | Apr 20 00:02 |
| msb | but they shouldn't substitute for a keyboard | Apr 20 00:02 |
| MinceR | not entirely, certainly | Apr 20 00:03 |
| msb | keyboard with touchscreen is fine | Apr 20 00:03 |
| MinceR | but sometimes they work well | Apr 20 00:03 |
| MinceR | for example, on my phone | Apr 20 00:03 |
| msb | but not for originating content | Apr 20 00:03 |
| msb | right, you don't write essays on your phone | Apr 20 00:03 |
| MinceR | or typing when sitting on public transport | Apr 20 00:03 |
| MinceR | on a tablet | Apr 20 00:03 |
| msb | wherever you are, if you're writing real content, and have a lap, you're better off with a laptop than a tablet | Apr 20 00:04 |
| MinceR | holding a laptop on your lap can be rather awkward | Apr 20 00:05 |
| MinceR | it's better to sit down at a desk and use a mechanical keyboard | Apr 20 00:05 |
| msb | maybe laptops could have neck straps and belt connectors so you can use them standing up, if needed | Apr 20 00:05 |
| MinceR | that said, my experiment of replacing my laptop (well, convertible tablet pc) with an arm tablet failed | Apr 20 00:05 |
| msb | yes, but you were talking about on public transport -- no desks | Apr 20 00:06 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 20 00:06 |
| MinceR | or we could have belt-mounted keyboards and wearable computers :> | Apr 20 00:06 |
| MinceR | with a head up display | Apr 20 00:06 |
| msb | yep | Apr 20 00:06 |
| MinceR | or direct neural connections | Apr 20 00:06 |
| msb | USB5, back of the neck, like in Ghost in the Shell | Apr 20 00:07 |
| msb | (I made up the USB5 part, but they do have sockets there.) | Apr 20 00:07 |
| msb | What's the resolution of google glass? | Apr 20 00:08 |
| cubezzz | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Wearcompevolution.jpg/1024px-Wearcompevolution.jpg | Apr 20 00:08 |
| MinceR | wikipedia says it's 640x360 | Apr 20 00:08 |
| msb | Usable | Apr 20 00:09 |
| msb | LINC used to be about 40x20 text | Apr 20 00:09 |
| msb | 5inch oscilloscope | Apr 20 00:10 |
| msb | Beard is required. | Apr 20 00:12 |
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| *MinceR shaves | Apr 20 00:12 | |
| msb | No beard, dorky: http://studenti.fisica.unifi.it/~calamai/images/Techno-Bill.gif | Apr 20 00:13 |
| cubezzz | similar to Steve Mann :) | Apr 20 00:14 |
| msb | Whozzat? | Apr 20 00:15 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_head-mounted_display | Apr 20 00:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Optical head-mounted display - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h4gcy ] | Apr 20 00:15 | |
| msb | Wow, lotsa those! | Apr 20 00:16 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 20 00:16 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/steve-mann.jpg | Apr 20 00:17 |
| msb | Then I'd learn a one-hand chord keyboard. | Apr 20 00:17 |
| MinceR | http://blog.laptopmag.com/google-glass-alternatives | Apr 20 00:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.laptopmag.com | Google Glass Alternatives - 2014 Smart Glasses - LAPTOP Magazine [ http://ur1.ca/h4gdz ] | Apr 20 00:18 | |
| msb | Damn firefox crashed and wasn't even using much cpu. I probably shouldn't have 80 tabs in one of its windows. | Apr 20 00:20 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 20 00:21 |
| MinceR | recently i've found a way to cut down on tabs | Apr 20 00:21 |
| cubezzz | google glass looks like an OK device for receiving information but you can't really output, at least I don't see any way to do so | Apr 20 00:21 |
| MinceR | it mainly relies on voice recognition for that | Apr 20 00:22 |
| MinceR | it also has a small touchpad | Apr 20 00:22 |
| MinceR | http://www.smartglassesnews.org/smart-glasses/ | Apr 20 00:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smartglassesnews.org | Compare Smart Glasses - Smart Glasses News [ http://ur1.ca/h4gfi ] | Apr 20 00:23 | |
| MinceR | a sufficiently smart "smart glass" could be used with some sort of keyboard, though | Apr 20 00:24 |
| msb | The glasses should just be an output device. Computer in ones pocket, on the belt, etc. Much less weight on the face. | Apr 20 00:26 |
| msb | gloves with sensors could act as a keyboard and implement QWERTY. | Apr 20 00:30 |
| msb | No retraining needed. | Apr 20 00:31 |
| MinceR | http://readwrite.com/2013/10/30/five-face-saving-alternatives-to-google-glass | Apr 20 00:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-readwrite.com | Five Face-Saving Alternatives To Google Glass – ReadWrite [ http://ur1.ca/h4gii ] | Apr 20 00:31 | |
| msb | Thanks for all this great HUD info! I'm just saving the urls write now because I don't want FF to crash again. I have to clean out a lot of those tabs. | Apr 20 00:33 |
| msb | right now | Apr 20 00:33 |
| MinceR | np | Apr 20 00:33 |
| cubezzz | I guess I'm always very memory conservative | Apr 20 00:33 |
| cubezzz | I never use more than 4 tabs, and sometimes I don't even use firefox | Apr 20 00:34 |
| MinceR | i've found it's easier to move tabs to bookmarks if i can determine the scroll percentage via the Scroll Progress extension and write it into the title | Apr 20 00:34 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/basic-linux-3-is-lean-and-mean.png | Apr 20 00:34 |
| msb | I have plenty more memory, but I think ff constantly cycles thru all the tabs and goes nuts if there are too many, | Apr 20 00:35 |
| cubezzz | 16 megs baby :) | Apr 20 00:35 |
| cubezzz | you want more colour? | Apr 20 00:36 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/linux-486.jpg | Apr 20 00:36 |
| MinceR | icewm is nice :) | Apr 20 00:37 |
| cubezzz | I'm pretty sure even BL3 could be improved upon | Apr 20 00:38 |
| msb | I keep leaving pages in tabs to look at later, but I forget to. | Apr 20 00:38 |
| MinceR | i did that a lot | Apr 20 00:40 |
| MinceR | especially if i have already read part of it | Apr 20 00:40 |
| MinceR | i figured i could save them to files and print them to pdfs and let my pdf reader remember where i scrolled them | Apr 20 00:40 |
| MinceR | but it was too much work so i didn't really do it | Apr 20 00:40 |
| MinceR | Scroll Progress makes it a lot easier :) | Apr 20 00:40 |
| msb | good for lots of text in a page! | Apr 20 00:41 |
| msb | Tablet in the pocket with lots of RAM and SDRAM, running Linux, HUD and chord-keyboard or sensor gloves. Wow, this could be doable right now! | Apr 20 00:44 |
| msb | How much do those good HUD glasses cost? | Apr 20 00:45 |
| MinceR | dunno | Apr 20 00:45 |
| MinceR | many of them aren't even for sale yet | Apr 20 00:46 |
| msb | Are there any tablets that run regular x86 Linux instead of ARM? | Apr 20 00:46 |
| MinceR | well, the ThinkPad X Series Tablets can do that and are x86 | Apr 20 00:48 |
| MinceR | but they're on the heavy side | Apr 20 00:48 |
| msb | Of course there's the problem of batteries. | Apr 20 00:48 |
| MinceR | there's this >> http://linuxgizmos.com/kids-tablet-runs-android-4-4-on-64-bit-intel-atom/ | Apr 20 00:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Kids tablet runs Android 4.4 on 64-bit Intel Atom · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/h4god ] | Apr 20 00:49 | |
| MinceR | but i don't know if it can run GNU and X | Apr 20 00:49 |
| MinceR | there's the ThinkPad Helix but i don't know if it will run GNU and X | Apr 20 00:51 |
| cubezzz | there was a zaurus that ran X | Apr 20 00:51 |
| msb | Have you guys seen this movie? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0280674/combined | Apr 20 00:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | The First $20 Million Is Always the Hardest (2002) [ http://ur1.ca/h4gow ] | Apr 20 00:51 | |
| MinceR | there was also the series of nokia "internet tablets" (sized like pdas) | Apr 20 00:52 |
| MinceR | not yet | Apr 20 00:52 |
| cubezzz | I think SL-700 and higher | Apr 20 00:52 |
| msb | Fictional, but has some good hacking and innovative I/O. Definitely worth watching. | Apr 20 00:52 |
| msb | Laser hologram display with finger tracking when you stick you finger in the hologram. | Apr 20 00:53 |
| msb | And sensor gloves on a different machine. | Apr 20 00:54 |
| cubezzz | just put motion sensors on your finger tips | Apr 20 00:54 |
| MinceR | you might also need force feedback | Apr 20 00:54 |
| cubezzz | it's interesting the touch screen desk from Tron never appeared | Apr 20 00:55 |
| cubezzz | as far as I know | Apr 20 00:55 |
| msb | doesn't ms have some kind of touchscreen desk? | Apr 20 00:56 |
| MinceR | they (and others) have touchscreen tables | Apr 20 00:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leveraging Cloud, Open Source To Aid Embattled | Apr 20 00:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | IT http://t.co/1qGOYczqdX | Apr 20 00:56 |
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| cubezzz | Microsoft == Encom? :) | Apr 20 00:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leveraging Cloud, Open Source To Aid Embattled IT | Tux Machines | Apr 20 00:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/W18gQ8BMVQ | Apr 20 00:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Apr 20 00:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/sQl7ORZXwH | Apr 20 00:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Apr 20 00:56 | |
| cubezzz | I guess Microsoft is evil enough to be the MCP | Apr 20 00:57 |
| msb | To want to be, at least. | Apr 20 00:58 |
| cubezzz | there's the Optimus Tactus | Apr 20 01:00 |
| cubezzz | no restrictions on keyboard size or shape | Apr 20 01:00 |
| msb | There was a two-player game in BASIC like that motorcycle-make-walls game in TRON. | Apr 20 01:00 |
| cubezzz | http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/tactus/ | Apr 20 01:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.artlebedev.com | Optimus Tactus keyboard [ http://ur1.ca/916ki ] | Apr 20 01:01 | |
| cubezzz | all those types of games derived from Atari Dominos | Apr 20 01:02 |
| msb | I might have programmed the one in BASIC, called it SNAKES. Very simple to program. | Apr 20 01:04 |
| cubezzz | sorry, there's an earlier one... Blockade by Gremlin, 1976 | Apr 20 01:07 |
| cubezzz | also ksnakerace :) | Apr 20 01:09 |
| msb | I didn't say I invented it. 8^) | Apr 20 01:10 |
| cubezzz | no, I realize that | Apr 20 01:10 |
| cubezzz | I just meant Blockade predates Dominos | Apr 20 01:10 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure many people have programmed a snake type game | Apr 20 01:11 |
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| MinceR | that was the m$ munchkin from last time | Apr 20 02:32 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 20 02:38 |
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| SilverSlimer | So why are we boycotting Novell? (other than the fact that its products are generally awful) | Apr 20 02:56 |
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| Working | What do you guys talk about here? | Apr 20 03:49 |
| Working | Hello? | Apr 20 03:50 |
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| schestowitz_bed2 | [03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> @qu1j0t3 Maddow covers the Sagebrush Rebellion. | Apr 20 07:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | [03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> #MustWatch Some of the craziest shit I've ever | Apr 20 07:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | [03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> seen from USA #ThatsSayingALot | Apr 20 07:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | [03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> http://t.co/DLxUJ9BxAa | Apr 20 07:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | [03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> @qu1j0t3 Maddow covers the Sagebrush Rebellion. | Apr 20 07:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-video.msnbc.msn.com | Threat of armed conflict subdues in Nevada - Video on NBCNews.com | Apr 20 07:56 | |
| schestowitz_bed2 | [03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> #MustWatch Some of the craziest shit I've ever | Apr 20 07:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | [03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> seen from USA #ThatsSayingALot | Apr 20 07:56 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | [03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> http://t.co/DLxUJ9BxAa | Apr 20 07:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Create Vector Graphics with Open Source Software | Tux Machines | Apr 20 08:00 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD Is Disabling DPM Support For RV770 GPUs | Apr 20 08:00 |
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| schestowitz | I finally know why files were being deleted from my server: https://drupal.org/node/277589 | Apr 20 10:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-drupal.org | Uploaded files deleted on cronjob [#277589] | Drupal.org | Apr 20 10:25 | |
| schestowitz | What a bizarre thing to be doing | Apr 20 10:25 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/reactos/status/457811220952014848 | Apr 20 10:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@reactos: ImagineIfMercedesBeganSueingFordBecauseThey"copied"TheWhole"Car"Concept.I'veRemovedTheSpaceBarFromMyPCJustinCase.@DrTuxWang @schestowitz | Apr 20 10:30 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.tweaktown.com/news/37149/heat-seeking-drones-are-getting-the-420-on-weed-in-the-uk/index.html | Apr 20 10:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tweaktown.com | Heat-seeking drones are getting the 420 on weed in the UK [ http://ur1.ca/h4k44 ] | Apr 20 10:35 | |
| schestowitz | http://freepressjournal.in/not-planning-to-take-over-alaska-jokes-putin/ | Apr 20 10:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freepressjournal.in | Not planning to take over Alaska, jokes Putin - Free Press Journal [ http://ur1.ca/h4k78 ] | Apr 20 10:54 | |
| schestowitz | LOL: http://www.govexec.com/management/2014/04/analysis-we-need-more-secrecy/82798/?oref=dropdown | Apr 20 11:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.govexec.com | Analysis: We Need More Secrecy - Management - GovExec.com [ http://ur1.ca/h4kao ] | Apr 20 11:17 | |
| schestowitz | reducing incenstive to theft at the expense of tech rights in phones http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/180845-carriers-commit-to-kill-switches-by-2015-but-ruin-implementation-to-protect-profit | Apr 20 11:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.extremetech.com | Carriers commit to kill switches by 2015, but ruin implementation to protect profit | ExtremeTech [ http://ur1.ca/h4kb6 ] | Apr 20 11:19 | |
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| msb__ | People suspect that the real purpose of the cell-phone kill switch is to allow government to erase witness evidence of police brutality and other govt abuses: http://www.activistpost.com/2014/04/kill-switch-included-on-all-cell-phones.html | Apr 20 11:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.activistpost.com | Activist Post: ‘Kill Switch’ Included on All Cell Phones Made in U.S. by 2015 [ http://ur1.ca/h49ne ] | Apr 20 11:55 | |
| msb__ | Look at this video of the Bundy ranch protest (1.3 million views). Many people are holding up little black objects. Those are cell phones on which they're recording and witnessing the actions of the soldiers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhJ6H9vlEDA | Apr 20 12:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Ranch Riot!! Bundy Ranch Protesters Tasered by Federal Agents and Attacked by K9's. - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/h4km7 ] | Apr 20 12:11 | |
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| MinceR | https://plus.google.com/+jwildeboer/posts/RCw6yMuwzhB | Apr 20 15:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-plus.google.com | Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - Everybody remember the port 32764 backdoor in various… [ http://ur1.ca/h4llj ] | Apr 20 15:21 | |
| Sosumi | the guys from the ufaa seem to also be targeting bill gates | Apr 20 16:10 |
| Sosumi | http://images.gasbuddy.com/images/blogimages/20120118124442toll.jpg | Apr 20 16:10 |
| Sosumi | bill gates | Apr 20 16:10 |
| Sosumi | if you go through one of those | Apr 20 16:10 |
| Sosumi | you get billed | Apr 20 16:10 |
| MinceR | i see what you did there | Apr 20 16:10 |
| Sosumi | :) | Apr 20 16:10 |
| Sosumi | let me see if I can find the tweet | Apr 20 16:11 |
| Sosumi | https://twitter.com/TaxWallStParty/status/457579582363688960 | Apr 20 16:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TaxWallStParty: A vote for #Hillary is a vote for #gates! http://t.co/we3Lw9PXBv #Gates We can do much better! #p2 #jobs #equality http://t.co/7ydvzDUj4z | Apr 20 16:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@EmperorBill: @GetUpStandUp2 @MSGunderson @ThePiercedBear @lapham_katie @McFiredogg Surprise! A vote for #Hillary is a vote for me! http://t.co/e6t5WflTLz | Apr 20 16:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> againstausterity.org | Welcome | United Front Against Austerity | Apr 20 16:13 | |
| MinceR | why is a vote for hillarious a vote for gate$? | Apr 20 16:15 |
| Sosumi | no idea | Apr 20 16:16 |
| Sosumi | I guess I need to update myself again in US politricks | Apr 20 16:17 |
| MinceR | tell me when you know | Apr 20 16:18 |
| Sosumi | yeah | Apr 20 16:18 |
| cubezzz | politicians suck up to Gates | Apr 20 16:27 |
| MinceR | and they're bought by gates | Apr 20 16:28 |
| cubezzz | "How should we run our schools Mr Gates?" | Apr 20 16:28 |
| Sosumi | ho yes the charter schools thing | Apr 20 16:28 |
| MinceR | What Do You Want Us To Buy Today?™ | Apr 20 16:28 |
| cubezzz | well these days it's windows 8.1 :-/ | Apr 20 16:29 |
| Sosumi | bill and mellinda gates foundation is a heavy supporter of those | Apr 20 16:29 |
| Sosumi | windows 8.1 is actually good | Apr 20 16:30 |
| MinceR | for me to poop on | Apr 20 16:30 |
| Sosumi | if you're DrPizza_ | Apr 20 16:30 |
| Sosumi | :) | Apr 20 16:30 |
| cubezzz | oh yeah and that secure boot thingie is great | Apr 20 16:30 |
| Sosumi | love it | Apr 20 16:31 |
| cubezzz | plus not having source code, that's the cherry on top | Apr 20 16:31 |
| Sosumi | and I love it more when I update my mobo's firmware I lose the boot pointer for the OS | Apr 20 16:32 |
| Sosumi | forcing me to reinstall grub | Apr 20 16:32 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/secure-boot.txt | Apr 20 16:32 |
| Sosumi | but that doesn't happen with windows | Apr 20 16:32 |
| cubezzz | hmmm, I can't say I've ever had that happen | Apr 20 16:33 |
| Sosumi | I just wish the ppl responsible for that | Apr 20 16:33 |
| Sosumi | just got run over by a car | Apr 20 16:34 |
| Sosumi | or had a ton of angry cats fall on top of them | Apr 20 16:34 |
| Sosumi | duno | Apr 20 16:34 |
| cubezzz | there's some talk of using secure boot to lock out windows | Apr 20 16:35 |
| Sosumi | lock out windows? | Apr 20 16:36 |
| Sosumi | isn't it locking out gnu/linux | Apr 20 16:36 |
| cubezzz | one replaces microsoft's cryptographic keys that ship with windows 8 and then sign only the software the user wants to run on their machine | Apr 20 16:36 |
| Sosumi | I've been saying that all along | Apr 20 16:37 |
| Sosumi | let the user sign and backup the keys/bios settings to an usb flash disk | Apr 20 16:38 |
| cubezzz | so far you can turn off secure boot | Apr 20 16:39 |
| cubezzz | but your idea is good | Apr 20 16:39 |
| cubezzz | I know my bios settings well, so saving them isn't a big deal | Apr 20 16:40 |
| cubezzz | I sometimes switch between linux and freedos | Apr 20 16:40 |
| cubezzz | now, if I could have "set bios settings for freedos" and "set bios settings for linux" that would be cool | Apr 20 16:42 |
| Sosumi | yep | Apr 20 16:44 |
| cubezzz | there's a coreboot utility called nvramtool that may be able to do that | Apr 20 16:44 |
| Sosumi | that could be called bios profiles | Apr 20 16:44 |
| Sosumi | another way is to use a board with two bioses | Apr 20 16:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Safety you can bank on: Chromebook, Linux, | Apr 20 16:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | phone http://t.co/JcC3HkRtFx | Apr 20 16:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Safety you can bank on: Chromebook, Linux, phone | Tux Machines | Apr 20 16:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Adobe's Open Source Tightrope Walk | Apr 20 16:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/W1LJi7B0WH | Apr 20 16:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Adobe's Open Source Tightrope Walk | Tux Machines | Apr 20 16:46 | |
| Sosumi | no, absolutely not | Apr 20 16:46 |
| Sosumi | you can't bank your safety on a chromebook | Apr 20 16:47 |
| Sosumi | unless you've installed a regular gnu/linux distro on it | Apr 20 16:47 |
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| cubezzz | there's also some coreboot support for chromebooks | Apr 20 16:53 |
| cubezzz | in fact, I think they all come with coreboot built-in except for the first 3 models | Apr 20 16:53 |
| Sosumi | no idea | Apr 20 16:54 |
| cubezzz | it looks promising and google does seem to like coreboot | Apr 20 16:56 |
| cubezzz | I'll have to try it sometime | Apr 20 16:56 |
| schestowitz | http://indiandefence.com/threads/will-china-use-russian-style-tactics-to-settle-territorial-disputes-in-asia.45782/ | Apr 20 17:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-indiandefence.com | Will China Use Russian-Style Tactics to Settle Territorial Disputes in Asia? | Indian Defence Forum [ http://ur1.ca/h4n30 ] | Apr 20 17:06 | |
| schestowitz | [16:27] <cubezzz> politicians suck up to Gates | Apr 20 17:07 |
| schestowitz | They have a sixth sense for potential (future) bribes | Apr 20 17:07 |
| schestowitz | They rely on people like Gates funding them for Office | Apr 20 17:07 |
| gulag2014 | You have articles on these Bribes? I'm not doubting you, but this is a brand new low for MS corp. | Apr 20 17:08 |
| cubezzz | http://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=364 | Apr 20 17:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.corporatewatch.org | Microsoft : Influence / Lobbying | Apr 20 17:11 | |
| cubezzz | call it subverting democracy if you prefer :) | Apr 20 17:12 |
| cubezzz | "The Initiative for Software Choice" | Apr 20 17:13 |
| gulag2014 | Simply amazing, thank you. As if I needed another reason to boycott. I have a few files that just don't display well in other office suites. I'm actively looking for replacements. | Apr 20 17:15 |
| cubezzz | campaign donations were "stepped up" 1999-2000 | Apr 20 17:15 |
| cubezzz | I've talked to some former microsoft guys | Apr 20 17:15 |
| cubezzz | some are openingly blogging against their former employer | Apr 20 17:16 |
| schestowitz | that's a good sign | Apr 20 17:17 |
| schestowitz | they're sort of defecting | Apr 20 17:17 |
| schestowitz | and this can shift public opinion | Apr 20 17:17 |
| cubezzz | some are yes | Apr 20 17:17 |
| schestowitz | I was shown that even MS Jack started ptromoting non-MS products | Apr 20 17:17 |
| cubezzz | those without stock options and low on the totem pole :) | Apr 20 17:17 |
| gulag2014 | There must be censorship attempts. I read a few weeks back MS was paying Youtube personalities to post good reviews for the Xbox One. | Apr 20 17:18 |
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| gulag2014 | MS Jack? | Apr 20 17:18 |
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| cubezzz | microsoft should have been broken up | Apr 20 17:21 |
| cubezzz | someone pulled some serious strings there | Apr 20 17:21 |
| gulag2014 | I was listening to the "Mike Tech Show" earlier. He mentioned they neglected to add a print function to the Ipad version of Office. You would have to save it to one drive and print to another device. How do release software missing such a basic feature? | Apr 20 17:21 |
| cubezzz | everything came to a head on June 7, 2000 | Apr 20 17:22 |
| gulag2014 | I know that is trivial, it's just another example of releasing half baked products. | Apr 20 17:22 |
| cubezzz | they were really going to do it | Apr 20 17:22 |
| cubezzz | broken into two units: one to produce the operating system and one to produce other software | Apr 20 17:23 |
| cubezzz | the US Sumpreme Court declined to hear Microsoft's appeal | Apr 20 17:23 |
| cubezzz | so it went back to the DC circuit court of appeals | Apr 20 17:24 |
| cubezzz | which overturned Judge Jackson's rulings against Microsoft | Apr 20 17:24 |
| cubezzz | so on Sept 6, 2001 the DOJ announces that Microsoft will not be broken up | Apr 20 17:25 |
| gulag2014 | I wasn't aware of that. What interest would it be of the United States Government to keep MS as one entity? | Apr 20 17:25 |
| MinceR | breaking up might not be sufficient | Apr 20 17:26 |
| MinceR | especially considering how tightly entwined with each other the parts are | Apr 20 17:26 |
| cubezzz | it would have helped :) | Apr 20 17:26 |
| MinceR | they'd just have one part hack everything up and package it in dlls and then all the other parts just put loaders on it | Apr 20 17:26 |
| MinceR | (like iexplore.exe) | Apr 20 17:26 |
| MinceR | but it would probably be a step in the right direction | Apr 20 17:27 |
| cubezzz | some folks argue that "the market should decide" | Apr 20 17:27 |
| cubezzz | that's basically what we have | Apr 20 17:27 |
| MinceR | maybe m$ should let the market decide, then | Apr 20 17:27 |
| MinceR | instead of forcing it | Apr 20 17:28 |
| cubezzz | of course the Big M manipulates all the OEMs, yes | Apr 20 17:28 |
| cubezzz | the DOJ screwed up royally | Apr 20 17:28 |
| msb__ | And manipulates the public with lying ads. | Apr 20 17:28 |
| MinceR | and bribes governments | Apr 20 17:28 |
| cubezzz | bribes or lobby's | Apr 20 17:29 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initiative_for_Software_Choice | Apr 20 17:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Initiative for Software Choice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h4nhg ] | Apr 20 17:31 | |
| gulag2014 | So what do you think MS next big plan would be. Cloud services with everyones data stored with them, subscription models for even the Operating System? | Apr 20 17:31 |
| cubezzz | gulag2014, naturally | Apr 20 17:32 |
| cubezzz | they're running microsoft cloud commercials on broadcast television right now | Apr 20 17:32 |
| gulag2014 | Oh, haha. I don't watch tv. | Apr 20 17:32 |
| cubezzz | Perens talks about ISC | Apr 20 17:33 |
| cubezzz | that kicked in around 2002 | Apr 20 17:33 |
| gulag2014 | I watched there last tech conference it was all about innovations in services. Not much was mentioned about adding any value to the "User" | Apr 20 17:33 |
| msb__ | Maybe they'll go thru the cloud data and blackmail people if they're, e.g., closeted gay, like Scientology does. | Apr 20 17:33 |
| gulag2014 | That is a scary possibility, but they promise not to read anymore of your e-mails. | Apr 20 17:34 |
| Sosumi | https://twitter.com/charlescwcooke/status/457911456634122240 | Apr 20 17:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@charlescwcooke: I wrote a cover story on Michael Mann for National Review. "The Climate Inquisitor." http://t.co/dehWMps3Ps | Apr 20 17:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@charlescwcooke: I wrote a cover story on Michael Mann for National Review. "The Climate Inquisitor." http://t.co/dehWMps3Ps | Apr 20 17:34 | |
| Sosumi | got to love the cover | Apr 20 17:35 |
| MinceR | and we already know how much their promises mean | Apr 20 17:35 |
| MinceR | *and we already know how much their promises are worth | Apr 20 17:35 |
| cubezzz | it's worth it to follow Perens and Moglen, they know the score | Apr 20 17:35 |
| Sosumi | leprechaun in the hood, when we are bad, we are good | Apr 20 17:36 |
| cubezzz | Edgar Villanueva proposed standardizing on free software | Apr 20 17:37 |
| cubezzz | e.g. the government shouldn't use propretary software since everyone has to deal with the government | Apr 20 17:37 |
| cubezzz | e.g. government web sites shouldn't be IE only | Apr 20 17:38 |
| gulag2014 | Give an example? I have never had any issues. Not that I frequent government websites for entertainment. | Apr 20 17:41 |
| cubezzz | well this is a small example but a while ago I had to pay a parking ticket | Apr 20 17:41 |
| cubezzz | the municipal web site for paying parking tickets was IE only | Apr 20 17:42 |
| cubezzz | even if you used windows with firefox it wouldn't work :) | Apr 20 17:42 |
| cubezzz | but I'm in Canada and so far the federal government web sites seem OK | Apr 20 17:43 |
| gulag2014 | That's interesting. I do remember my state unemployment site asking for IE. | Apr 20 17:43 |
| msb__ | What if you just change the browser ID strings so it says IE? Will that work? | Apr 20 17:44 |
| msb__ | strings--> string | Apr 20 17:45 |
| gulag2014 | My understanding is the site is written for certain browser. I think there was a company that would charged people more if they continued using any Version of IE under 8, to pay for the extra time. | Apr 20 17:47 |
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| cubezzz | in the case of the parking ticket changing the browser ID string didn't work | Apr 20 18:10 |
| cubezzz | I don't see it happen often these days | Apr 20 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | Google finally has me using Chrome as my main browser. | Apr 20 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | It's just a little too convenient when you have a bunch of other Google devices... :) | Apr 20 18:11 |
| gulag2014 | Oh the horror, yes if you live in the Google Universe, I would bet Chrome is quite useful. It is nice to have all your bookmarks synced. | Apr 20 18:14 |
| cubezzz | I reject cloud computing | Apr 20 18:15 |
| gulag2014 | I use it sparingly. | Apr 20 18:16 |
| cubezzz | in the past computers were expensive, hence time sharing was necessary | Apr 20 18:18 |
| gulag2014 | I do remember, and disk space was expensive. What are we up to now, 6 Tb drives? | Apr 20 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | I use it to share pictures and move my documents to the library computer to be printed. | Apr 20 18:20 |
| cubezzz | in 1990 I had a 52 meg drive | Apr 20 18:20 |
| DaemonFC | They have a no thumbdrive policy. | Apr 20 18:20 |
| cubezzz | now I have a bunch of 40 gig ones | Apr 20 18:20 |
| cubezzz | but I use old tech a lot, so I'm atypical :) | Apr 20 18:21 |
| gulag2014 | I don't keep up with gadgets they way I used to. The biggest improvement for me has been SSD drives. I have avoided having to buy a new machine with one upgrade. | Apr 20 18:22 |
| cubezzz | you can get a ssd, 240 gigs | Apr 20 18:23 |
| cubezzz | for around 100 bucks | Apr 20 18:23 |
| gulag2014 | They are finally coming down. I was happy when it was $1 a gig. | Apr 20 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | That's the big problem with a Chromebook. | Apr 20 18:24 |
| gulag2014 | Maybe I can hold out and get a 500 for $100 in a few years. | Apr 20 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | Great computers, but Google decided to not support normal printers. | Apr 20 18:24 |
| gulag2014 | You can't use a normal network printer on Chromebooks? | Apr 20 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | You have to either buy a Google Cloud Print compatible printer, or install some Windows or Mac software and let them send the print job to your desktop computer. | Apr 20 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Apr 20 18:25 |
| cubezzz | I'm sort of a computing minimalist, I've done a lot of work trying to figure out how to run linux in low memory systems | Apr 20 18:25 |
| gulag2014 | What is that Google Cloud Print about? | Apr 20 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | I like the Chromebook in general though. | Apr 20 18:25 |
| *cubezzz pats his dot matrix :) | Apr 20 18:26 | |
| DaemonFC | gulag2014: Instead of using CUPS and supporting regular printer drivers, the Chromebook and Android phones send the print job to Google, which sends it back over the internet to a compatible printer. | Apr 20 18:26 |
| gulag2014 | I liked the keyboard on the chromebook I played with. I had intentions on putting a light linux distro on one eventually. | Apr 20 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | That way, you have to share all your print jobs with Google and probably buy a new printer as well. | Apr 20 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | It's pretty bogus. | Apr 20 18:26 |
| gulag2014 | I don't like that idea of sending my print jobs to G at all. | Apr 20 18:27 |
| cubezzz | and no parallel port I'd assume? | Apr 20 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | of course not | Apr 20 18:27 |
| cubezzz | :) | Apr 20 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | If you try hooking up a normal printer through USB, the Chromebook opens a browser tab that loads a page that advertises Cloud Print. | Apr 20 18:27 |
| gulag2014 | Well can you save the file to usb, and print on a printer with a usb input? | Apr 20 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. I don't see why not. | Apr 20 18:27 |
| cubezzz | bah, just replace the os | Apr 20 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | I hate buying printer ink. | Apr 20 18:28 |
| gulag2014 | Haha... | Apr 20 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | I just upload the documents to Google Drive and then print them off at the library. | Apr 20 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | It's still only 10 cents a page for black and white, and 20 cents for color. | Apr 20 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | It's a public library, so they don't have to operate at a profit. :) | Apr 20 18:28 |
| gulag2014 | I stopped buying printer ink. It's not worth it, because I just don't print often enough. I'm fine paying ten cents a page somewhere else. | Apr 20 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. I only have a few print jobs per year. | Apr 20 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | I probably pay the library less than $4 a year to print stuff. | Apr 20 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | They're like a block away from my house. | Apr 20 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | Printer ink is outrageously expensive. | Apr 20 18:29 |
| gulag2014 | It's $60 dollars for the ink for my Canon, I paid $80 for the printer. | Apr 20 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah... | Apr 20 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | And HP printer cartridges have a time bomb built in. | Apr 20 18:30 |
| cubezzz | wow that sounds like a great deal | Apr 20 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | After several months, they won't print and they trigger an "out of ink" message. | Apr 20 18:30 |
| gulag2014 | I still use it to scan stuff, other than that, I would have donated it. | Apr 20 18:30 |
| Sosumi | laser printers are the way to go | Apr 20 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | They might have 90% of the ink left and they'll say "Out of ink". | Apr 20 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | It's a major fucking ripoff designed to make you buy ink cartridges every so often, no matter how much or little you print. | Apr 20 18:31 |
| gulag2014 | My printer won't allow me to print grayscale without the other color cartridges. That rots of greed. | Apr 20 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | HP lets you print black and white with the tricolor cartridge. | Apr 20 18:31 |
| gulag2014 | Agreed, Laser printers if I ever buy a new one. | Apr 20 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | But black looks better if you have a black ink cartridge as well. | Apr 20 18:31 |
| cubezzz | IBM 3203 printer example: | Apr 20 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | also, most of them have anti-refill technology | Apr 20 18:32 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/vm-sp-with-rexx.jpg | Apr 20 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | HP's time bomb keeps you from refilling them | Apr 20 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | after like 6 months, they just refuse to print anything, even if you have original ink left in them | Apr 20 18:32 |
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| gulag2014 | They all have rfid chips or some mechanism to avoid, fake cartridges now right? | Apr 20 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | They realized that people were spending $5 to refill instead of $60 for new cartridges. | Apr 20 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | So they put a stop to that. :P | Apr 20 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | gulag2014: They have a chip in them that records the day of the first print job. | Apr 20 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | After so many days, the printer will stop allowing you to use that cartridge. | Apr 20 18:34 |
| gulag2014 | My goodness. Unbelievable | Apr 20 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | I found that out when I had half a carttridge of ink left and the printer kept throwing "out of ink", "buy more here". | Apr 20 18:34 |
| gulag2014 | Buy more here, haha. The HP software brings you to their website | Apr 20 18:35 |
| cubezzz | HP used to be good | Apr 20 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | gulag2014: Yeah. It even gives you a clickable link in the error message. | Apr 20 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | So, the library is a better deal all the time. | Apr 20 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | Every time the printer companies find a new way to fuck you. | Apr 20 18:36 |
| gulag2014 | Unreal, I hated HP on my Windows 7 box. It loaded so much useless bloat. Linux network printing and no bloatware. | Apr 20 18:36 |
| gulag2014 | I have spent more time fighting with HP printers for friends and family, than I have with virus removal. | Apr 20 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. Their Windows driver is awful. | Apr 20 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | The driver itself is only like 10-15 MB....something like that. | Apr 20 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | But, it installs several hundred MB of shovelware and trial crap. | Apr 20 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | It takes about an hour to install it. | Apr 20 18:39 |
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| gulag2014 | Right! So why is the download suite like 300 mb + | Apr 20 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | gulag2014: Mostly because of Windows XP. | Apr 20 18:39 |
| cubezzz | right, why would you want to use windows again? | Apr 20 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | XP didn't have any built in software to take advantage of all-in-one printers. | Apr 20 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | Well, it did, sort of, but it reflects where those were in 2001. | Apr 20 18:40 |
| gulag2014 | Exactly, I don't miss HP software, that you can never remove. Nagging Java and Flash updates. | Apr 20 18:40 |
| cubezzz | it's not even that hard to write a printer or scanner program | Apr 20 18:40 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3953930 | Apr 20 18:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Zero-hours contracts cause shopworkers' misery http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/19/zero-hours-contracts-flexible-working one strike and you're out (-1). #classwarfare #uk | Apr 20 18:40 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Been there. I went from 45 hours to 8 and full shifts to half hour bits and pieces around the place. The solution is to quit and look for a proper job, not complain about the one you're free to walk away from with two weeks notice." | Apr 20 18:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com | Supermarket shifts 'cause anxiety and insecurity' | UK news | The Observer | Apr 20 18:40 | |
| DaemonFC | So, the printer makers had to include software that made up for deficiencies in Windows. Especially, Windows XP. | Apr 20 18:40 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft just tries to take advantage of lazy non-thinking people | Apr 20 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | On GNU/Linux, the HP printer bundle isn't very big, and you don't have to use bloatware to access the functionality of the printer. | Apr 20 18:41 |
| schestowitz__ | We seem to have a problem when companies like WalMartASDA race to the bottom, taking the rest with them | Apr 20 18:41 |
| gulag2014 | I had my friend printing in two minutes when I installed Mint on his system. | Apr 20 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | I believe that on GNU/Linux, the bundle is under 30 MB and it supports almost every HP printer that connects over USB, | Apr 20 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | I was using the hplip bundle with an HP printer I bought in 2002 until just a couple of years ago. | Apr 20 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | I think that part of the problem that Cloud Print is designed to work around is that some printer makers don't offer GNU/Linux drivers at all. | Apr 20 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | and Chrome OS is a variant of GNU/Linux | Apr 20 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | So, Canon printers, for example.... Those might not work. | Apr 20 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | So, instead of explaining why HP printers are supported, but Canon isn't, we have Cloud Print instead. | Apr 20 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | I don't like Cloud Print, because I don't want to buy a new printer. | Apr 20 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | They could have supported traditional printer setups that have GNU/Linux drivers, and sent the user to Cloud Print if they didn't have a good printer. | Apr 20 18:44 |
| gulag2014 | Are you using the Chromebook now? | Apr 20 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | Not right now. | Apr 20 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | They have an IRC client that it built on top of Chrome, but it's not real good. | Apr 20 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | It works... | Apr 20 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose there's no reason why it couldn't be fully-featured though. | Apr 20 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | With further development, it might be. | Apr 20 18:46 |
| gulag2014 | Oh, Well I'm surprised they attempted to include one. So have you investigate installing Ubuntu or another distro on it? | Apr 20 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | They don't. It's called CIRC, and it's in the chrome store. | Apr 20 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | I believe it is open source though. | Apr 20 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | You *can* install Ubuntu or Fedora on the Acer C720, but it doesn't have much storage on the SSD, because it's meant to run Chrome OS, which doesn't need a lot of storage. | Apr 20 18:48 |
| gulag2014 | I hate to say this, but anything that takes money away from MS is a great start. I'm not a huge fan of android or the Chromebook, but It's a start. | Apr 20 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | You can put it in developer mode and boot a real GNU/Linux distribution from the USB drive though. | Apr 20 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | It has a USB 3 and a USB 2 port. | Apr 20 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | You could buy a USB 3 thumbdrive and boot Fedora from there without disturbing Chrome OS. | Apr 20 18:49 |
| cubezzz | I hacked up some chromebook info here: | Apr 20 18:49 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/chromebook-prices.txt | Apr 20 18:50 |
| gulag2014 | Yes, I don't even have usb 3. That is one of the features that intrigued me on such an affordable device. | Apr 20 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | The good part about the C720 is that you can get it on refurb for about $150. | Apr 20 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | I got $5 worth of points on my Amazon credit card for that, so it works out to $145 for mine. | Apr 20 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | I also got my cable modem/router on Amazon because the price cratered. | Apr 20 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | Only $99, and I got my triple points on that too. | Apr 20 18:51 |
| gulag2014 | That is extremely affordable. I just may hold out and see what System 76's offerings are a year from now. | Apr 20 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | I had to go to Comcast's Fort Wayne office to drop off their modem. | Apr 20 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | It looked like the welfare office from Cheech and Chong's Up in Smoke. | Apr 20 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | It was pretty nasty. | Apr 20 18:51 |
| gulag2014 | Oh good. What are the rental fees now. Last I heard it was $7 dollars a month. | Apr 20 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | $8 a month | Apr 20 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | So, you pay $99 once for the Netgear N450 or you pay $8 a month forever. | Apr 20 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | It seems to work a lot better than Comcast's equipment. | Apr 20 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't had this one knock me offline once yet. | Apr 20 18:53 |
| gulag2014 | What? Why? I can't justify anyone doing that. Not when you can get a Motorola for $80 on sale. | Apr 20 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | The wifi signal is better. | Apr 20 18:53 |
| cubezzz | gulag2014, you might find this interesting | Apr 20 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | They recommended a Motorola one, but it was going to be about $170 for the one they wanted me to buy. | Apr 20 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | The Motorola had a 3 star certification from Comcast, while the Netgear had a 1 start certification. | Apr 20 18:54 |
| cubezzz | it's a list of all bad stuff from Microsoft I've come across over the years | Apr 20 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | I have yet to experience any problems with the Netgear though. | Apr 20 18:54 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ms-dirtytricks.txt | Apr 20 18:54 |
| gulag2014 | Scummy, complete ignorance of the consumer to do a simple Google search. | Apr 20 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | Cable modem companies hate Comcast certification. | Apr 20 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | One of them was complaining that it's basically just a way to make the time to market so bad that more people rent. | Apr 20 18:55 |
| DaemonFC | and to get money out of them for the privilege of being "certified". | Apr 20 18:55 |
| schestowitz__ | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20140420.png | Apr 20 18:56 |
| gulag2014 | I had no problem for six years with an old Motorola surfboard version one. The modem companies promise great throughput, but if you are not paying for 100 mb's down it doesn't matter. | Apr 20 18:56 |
| gulag2014 | I think the one I own maxes out at 40 mb. I was lucky to get 5, to ten, when I was paying for 15 to 20 down. I had really spotty service with Comcast. | Apr 20 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast's certification is just a big joke. | Apr 20 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | They brag that all of the equipment they lease out is 3 star certified. | Apr 20 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | Then it crashes, resets itself, knocks you offline.... | Apr 20 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | The Arris gateway they had me using seems to have no quality of service support. | Apr 20 19:00 |
| gulag2014 | I would wake up in he middle of the night to no service. They would place the blame on my router and modem. Even though it worked the other 16 hours of the day perfectly. | Apr 20 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | If you're downloading something, it will take all your bandwidth and you can't do anything else until the download is finished. | Apr 20 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | because their modem isn't smart enough to prioritize other traffic | Apr 20 19:01 |
| gulag2014 | I believe that. They magically have enough bandwith for Netflix, now that Netflix paid them. | Apr 20 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. Their certification process for modems is like the debt rating agencies saying that subprime mortgages were AAA investments. | Apr 20 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | It lets Comcast get these cheap no name modems that are completely terrible, rent them out for $8 a month, and say they're 3 star certified on Comcast's network. | Apr 20 19:02 |
| gulag2014 | So it's just a fraud basically. Ontop of the Dvr you pay a month. When I had tv I would just use a hdhomerun and Windows Media Center. | Apr 20 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-DOCSIS-Cable-Router-N450-100NAS/dp/B00HC0ZDOE | Apr 20 19:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: NETGEAR N450 WiFi DOCSIS 3.0 Cable Modem Router (N450-100NAS): Computers & Accessories [ http://ur1.ca/h4ork ] | Apr 20 19:03 | |
| DaemonFC | Looks like the price went up $20 since I bought mine. | Apr 20 19:04 |
| DaemonFC | Still a better deal than renting though. | Apr 20 19:04 |
| gulag2014 | I asked can I purchase the Dvr? No, you can not. But it's only good on your cable anyway, I don't want to rent anymore. They even charged a rental for the remote. | Apr 20 19:04 |
| gulag2014 | So I went on Ebay and purchased a remote for $4. They looked confused when I returned theirs. | Apr 20 19:05 |
| gulag2014 | Nice, years ago modem/router combos for Cable internet were hard to find. I had separate device for years, I had a few netgear combos crap out on me. | Apr 20 19:07 |
| gulag2014 | I'm sort of electricity conscious, I never liked having several devices on 24 hours a day. Not that it's that expensive. I just don't prefer it. | Apr 20 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | gulag2014: You can buy your own DVR. | Apr 20 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | That gets you out of the equipment rental fee, but not the DVR service fee. | Apr 20 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | As long as the DVR is CableCARD compatible. I think Comcast charges like $1 a month to rent a CableCARD. | Apr 20 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | I believe the DVR rental fee is like $16.99 a month, for each one you are renting. | Apr 20 19:14 |
| gulag2014 | Yes, you are right. I have a cable card feature on my tv, but I believe you loose the program guide. | Apr 20 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | The satellite companies have whole home DVR for $10 a month, which lets you rent one HD-DVR and the rest are just boxes that can stream from the DVR. | Apr 20 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast's equipment rental fees are where all the money is. | Apr 20 19:15 |
| gulag2014 | I have heard that too. Sort of like a slingbox or xbox 360 | Apr 20 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | They probably pay $60-70 per cable gateway because they have bulk buying power. | Apr 20 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | Then they can rent them out for 10 years before they need to be replaced. | Apr 20 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | So they're basically making 10-12 times what the gateway cost them. | Apr 20 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | It's pure profit. | Apr 20 19:16 |
| DaemonFC | They can also jack the rental price up at any time, for the existing equipment that's been sitting in your living room for years. :P | Apr 20 19:16 |
| gulag2014 | I don't care for much on TV anyway. I cut the cord in 2006, had basic cable with comcast, until they started charging $21 dollars just for broadcast channels. | Apr 20 19:17 |
| gulag2014 | I tried Aereo for a month, they allow you to schedule recordings for around $8 a month. I canceled it, I just wasn't watching tv often enough. | Apr 20 19:19 |
| MinceR | 191411 < gulag2014> Oh the horror, yes if you live in the Google Universe, I would bet Chrome is quite useful. It is nice to have all your bookmarks synced. | Apr 20 19:21 |
| MinceR | you can run firefox sync on your own server, afaik | Apr 20 19:21 |
| gulag2014 | I have an interest in that in the future, thanks for the tip. I had read about owncloud. When i get another build started I may convert this pc into a personal server. | Apr 20 19:22 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 20 19:22 |
| gulag2014 | I do have a Google account, begrudgingly. I get a little tense when I noticed I forgot to log out, I realize that all my Youtube searches are being recorded. | Apr 20 19:25 |
| gulag2014 | I managed to survive without Facebook, Twitter, or Google + | Apr 20 19:26 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3951079 | Apr 20 19:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: **Scientology Has a Dirty Little Secret. And L. Ron Hubbard’s Great-Grandson Just Exposed It. | Mobiledia** - http://www.mobiledia.com/news/191386.html | Apr 20 19:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.mobiledia.com | Scientology Has a Dirty Little Secret. And L. Ron Hubbard’s Great-Grandson Just Exposed It. | Mobiledia [ http://ur1.ca/h4d4w ] | Apr 20 19:26 | |
| schestowitz__ | "The only think that legitimates mainstream religions is that they're old, that way you have no way to know their founders first-hand." | Apr 20 19:26 |
| schestowitz__ | "@Cronos - you have some valid point when it comes to the issue with verification ... however, this type of argument is probobly rejectable anyway if we are about to say that "tradition is good because it's old". IMO every tradition which causes some kind of harm to ANYONE is BAD and has to be changed. Most religion [probobly excluding buddhism] have made a lot of harm in this world, as they are exclusive in a sense, that they | Apr 20 19:26 |
| schestowitz__ | EXCLUDE other people who are non-believers from their circle of "friends". Thus all the religious wars, etc." | Apr 20 19:26 |
| cubezzz | the United Church was/is inclusionist | Apr 20 19:31 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3956966 | Apr 20 19:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared:  #Image #Picture #Funny #StarWars #Pizza | Apr 20 19:35 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Sir yes dad, Sir!" | Apr 20 19:35 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3956224 | Apr 20 19:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Jolla's Confidence and Marketing Grows Through Monthly OS Updates http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2014/04/15/jollas-confidence-and-marketing-grows-through-monthly-os-updates/ #jolla #linux #nokia | Apr 20 19:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.forbes.com | Jolla's Confidence and Marketing Grows Through Monthly OS Updates - Forbes [ http://ur1.ca/h4p6r ] | Apr 20 19:36 | |
| schestowitz__ | "But not enough to go outside Europe yet." | Apr 20 19:36 |
| schestowitz__ | "So what happened with the China plans? Why were they shelved?" | Apr 20 19:36 |
| schestowitz__ | "Or they weren't? I think Jolla made a deal with some carriers there, but that didn't work out?" | Apr 20 19:36 |
| schestowitz__ | "I'm personally waiting for them to produce a device with normal modem which is not limited to European frequencies." | Apr 20 19:36 |
| schestowitz__ | My wife wants to buy one (UK) | Apr 20 19:36 |
| schestowitz__ | "@Shmerl as I know Jolla aimed also at China from the beginning and they port Sailfish OS for other Android devices and maybe some other company will use sailfish OS on their devices." | Apr 20 19:37 |
| DaemonFC | gulag2014: I just use an antenna. | Apr 20 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | I only wanted the basic channels anyway. Comcast wants $20 a month for that now, which is ridiculous. | Apr 20 19:58 |
| cubezzz | he's missing all the microsoft cloud ads! | Apr 20 19:59 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Chrome Adblock. | Apr 20 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | I do believe that Microsoft has a Onedrive app for Chrome. | Apr 20 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | Google seems to tolerate Microsoft offering apps for Chrome OS and Android. | Apr 20 20:02 |
| DaemonFC | Google has apps for Windows though. | Apr 20 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | That's not like it's an even exchange.... Most people don't use Windows mobile, and most people just ignore the Windows store in Windows 8 and use it like it was Windows 7. | Apr 20 20:06 |
| DaemonFC | Watching Star Trek: Enterprise. :P | Apr 20 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | I got through DS9 last year. | Apr 20 20:09 |
| DaemonFC | The part about the Bell Riots in the 2020s in the United States seemed to be disturbingly possible. | Apr 20 20:10 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3957086 | Apr 20 20:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rocapc@joindiaspora.com: #ukraine #turmoil #live #updates. http://rt.com/news/kiev-clashes-rioters-police-571/ | Apr 20 20:10 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> rt.com | Ukraine turmoil LIVE UPDATES — RT News [ http://ur1.ca/h0srn ] | Apr 20 20:10 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Also i hate the use of the word annexation since in the Crimea people voted to join Russia..." | Apr 20 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | The poor grew so numerous that the rich and middle class decided to round them up and put them in walled slum areas so that they wouldn't have to see them. | Apr 20 20:10 |
| schestowitz__ | The West's intervention led to it. | Apr 20 20:11 |
| schestowitz__ | "The Russians are not going to do anything, but if NATO/USA keep pushing we do not know what could happen..." | Apr 20 20:11 |
| schestowitz__ | Turf/proxy wars, like in Syria | Apr 20 20:11 |
| schestowitz__ | "The west intervened... what do you think would happen if some Russians went to Mexico to destabilize the country, overthrew the government and put some Russian puppets there... and maybe took over some bases..." | Apr 20 20:19 |
| schestowitz__ | Exactly my point | Apr 20 20:19 |
| schestowitz__ | USSR did do some similar stuff in Cuba | Apr 20 20:19 |
| schestowitz__ | http://www.muktware.com/2014/04/steam-controller-may-arrive-year-end/25611 | Apr 20 20:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.muktware.com | Steam controller may not arrive until year end | Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/h4ppt ] | Apr 20 20:25 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3957086 | Apr 20 20:27 |
| schestowitz__ | "Cuba wanted protection against the big enemy, but yes it got a little out of hand to say the least when Khrushchev started bringing in missiles... and i think Ukraine is getting just as dangerous..." | Apr 20 20:27 |
| schestowitz__ | http://www.muktware.com/2014/04/obama-allows-nsa-exploit-security-bugs-like-heartbleed/25558 | Apr 20 20:28 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.muktware.com | Obama allows NSA to exploit security bugs like Heartbleed | Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/h4pqm ] | Apr 20 20:28 | |
| _Goblin | schestowitz__, we'll defo record tomorrow..... | Apr 20 20:31 |
| _Goblin | just got finished up (RSL v Timbers) | Apr 20 20:31 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3957363 | Apr 20 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@silpol@diasp.eu: All sent and received e-mails in #Gmail will be analyzed, says #Google via #ArsTechnica via @bnox http://bit.ly/1iBzkzq #privacy | Apr 20 20:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com | All sent and received e-mails in Gmail will be analyzed, says Google | Ars Technica | Apr 20 20:37 | |
| schestowitz__ | Like Microsoft and yahoo | Apr 20 20:37 |
| schestowitz__ | _Goblin: ok, tomorrow then :-) | Apr 20 20:37 |
| MinceR | i'm Jack's complete lack of surprise | Apr 20 20:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Emmabuntüs: A philanthropist’s GNU/Linux | Apr 20 20:53 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Emmabuntüs: A philanthropist’s GNU/Linux | Tux Machines | Apr 20 20:53 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines TP-LINK TG-3468: A $12 Linux PCI-E Gigabit | Apr 20 20:54 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TP-LINK TG-3468: A $12 Linux PCI-E Gigabit Network Adapter | Tux Machines | Apr 20 20:54 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Easter Yields The Linux 3.15-rc2 Kernel Release | Apr 20 21:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Weeeee, Kubuntu 14.04 is out! and already | Apr 20 21:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 50 Open Source Replacements for Windows XP | Apr 20 21:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Easter Yields The Linux 3.15-rc2 Kernel Release | Tux Machines | Apr 20 21:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Weeeee, Kubuntu 14.04 is out! and already looking to the future | Tux Machines | Apr 20 21:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 50 Open Source Replacements for Windows XP | Tux Machines | Apr 20 21:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux & SteamOS Earn The 400 Games Badge | Apr 20 21:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux & SteamOS Earn The 400 Games Badge | Tux Machines | Apr 20 21:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines An open source success: EFF ‘awed’ by response | Apr 20 21:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to project for easily contacting Congress | Apr 20 21:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | An open source success: EFF ‘awed’ by response to project for easily contacting Congress | Tux Machines | Apr 20 21:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Emmabuntüs: A philanthropist’s GNU/Linux | Apr 20 21:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Emmabuntüs: A philanthropist’s GNU/Linux | Tux Machines | Apr 20 21:56 | |
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| DaemonFC | Now I'm on my Chromebook over at mom's. | Apr 20 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | circ isn't so bad | Apr 20 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | I liked Chatzilla for Firefox/Seamonkey more though. | Apr 20 23:14 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @Emmabuntus @tuxmachines Thank for your article about | Apr 21 00:53 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Emmabuntüs http://t.co/cmGuqZ3FNN and this page | Apr 21 00:53 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3957817 | Apr 21 08:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Links 20/4/2014: EFF FOSS, Easter Drone Strikes, Copyright Industry Fear of Google http://techrights.org/2014/04/20/copyright-industry-fear-of-google/ | Apr 21 08:02 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Links 20/4/2014: EFF FOSS, Easter Drone Strikes, Copyright Industry Fear of Google | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/h4vyl ] | Apr 21 08:02 | |
| schestowitz__ | "sure is some interesting links." | Apr 21 08:02 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3915306 | Apr 21 08:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Scathing Report Cites ‘Excessive Force’ by #Albuquerque #Police http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/11/us/albuquerque-police-report-justice-department.html | Apr 21 08:05 | |
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| schestowitz__ | "I live in Albuquerque, so this report was welcome. I only hope that the reforms are real. A recent poll showed that only 30% of the population trusts APD." | Apr 21 08:05 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3956456 | Apr 21 08:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #us #police is now using tasers in #protest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhJ6H9vlEDA this is not what tasers were originally justified for. | Apr 21 08:06 | |
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| schestowitz__ | "This is not, strictly speaking, the Tea Party. It's Posse Comitatus, and those who have been tracking right wing groups have repeatedly warned that there will be confrontations such as these. But I do group Posse Comitatus, the Tea Party, and other like groups as authoritarian populists for analytic purposes. They're a very scary bunch of folks, given to Manichean thinking, pretty much with a notion that anyone from far away, who | Apr 21 08:06 |
| schestowitz__ | doesn't look like them, who doesn't act like them, who doesn't live like them, are in some way hostile." | Apr 21 08:06 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Oracle Linux 6.5 vs. Oracle Linux 7.0 Beta | Apr 21 09:29 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Gearbox looking at viability of a Linux version | Apr 21 09:29 |
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| msb__ | schestowitz__: Roy, where did you get that quote, about 3 hours ago, starting with "This is not, strictly speaking, the Tea Party. It's Posse Comitatus,"? | Apr 21 11:08 |
| msb__ | Oh, I see, it's from here: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3956456, a comment about the Bundy protest by one David Benfell. | Apr 21 11:14 |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: That quote from Benfell smears and lies about Bundy and the protesters in several ways. They have not said they are connected with either the Tea Party no Posse Comitatus organizations. | Apr 21 11:19 |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: As to being authoritarian, the protestors did not bring guns, tasers, and police dogs to the scene, the federal government did. | Apr 21 11:20 |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: Manichean thinking means belief in right and wrong. | Apr 21 11:22 |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: the last part of the quote "anyone from far away, who doesn't look like them... are in some way hostile." is a vicious lying smear or racism, which AFAICT has never come up in this matter. | Apr 21 11:23 |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: If you want to find attitude and behavior like that on a world-wide scale, look at the US government, invading Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Serbia, and many other nations, and slaughtering many millions of people. | Apr 21 11:26 |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: These subversions, invasions, and mass murders were actually done to destroy socialism, which was diminishing the profits of the ultra-wealthy American businessmen who control the U.S. government. | Apr 21 11:28 |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: But racism was used as a pretext, for example the current War On (Of) Terror, initiated by the 9/11 false-flag operation. If you don't believe it was a false-flag operation, please watch the videos linked here, in order. | Apr 21 11:31 |
| msb__ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911 | Apr 21 11:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Apr 21 11:32 | |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: Please see: http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_Holocaust | Apr 21 11:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone [ http://ur1.ca/g23vd ] | Apr 21 11:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/VPxfMRj29M | Apr 21 12:00 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Oracle updates users on Heartbleed progress | Apr 21 12:00 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The world's first open source laptop laptop | Apr 21 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | crosses halfway mark in crowdfunding. | Apr 21 12:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 21 12:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Oracle updates users on Heartbleed progress | Tux Machines | Apr 21 12:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The world's first open source laptop laptop crosses halfway mark in crowdfunding. | Tux Machines | Apr 21 12:01 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Embedded tech and use of Linux at the 2014 GPU | Apr 21 12:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Technology Conference http://t.co/QwN5IBtfoT | Apr 21 12:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Watch Dogs heading to Linux? | Apr 21 12:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @BigDickStallman @tuxmachines Why aren't you using GNU/Hurd? | Apr 21 12:51 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Will Korea survive end of Windows XP? | Apr 21 12:51 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nuclear Dawn Linux support moving out of beta | Apr 21 12:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Embedded tech and use of Linux at the 2014 GPU Technology Conference | Tux Machines | Apr 21 12:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to upgrade from Windows XP to Ubuntu | Apr 21 12:51 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Watch Dogs heading to Linux? | Tux Machines | Apr 21 12:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Will Korea survive end of Windows XP? | Tux Machines | Apr 21 12:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nuclear Dawn Linux support moving out of beta | Tux Machines | Apr 21 12:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to upgrade from Windows XP to Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Apr 21 12:51 | |
| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/amd-loses-just-20-million-in-first-quarter-2014/ | Apr 21 13:02 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | AMD loses just $20 million in first quarter 2014 | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/h4ybg ] | Apr 21 13:02 | |
| Sosumi | not bad | Apr 21 13:02 |
| Sosumi | could have been much worse | Apr 21 13:02 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/NoDPIsigma/status/458226586119315456 https://twitter.com/NoDPIsigma/status/458227275088269312 | Apr 21 14:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NoDPIsigma: @schestowitz When teachers use public online social media in the classroom to engage pupils, what do they expect? 1/2 | Apr 21 14:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NoDPIsigma: @schestowitz Pupils have always had rather vindictive attitudes to unpopular teachers, never so public previously tho. 2/2 | Apr 21 14:13 | |
| schestowitz | just doing online what they used to do offline | Apr 21 14:14 |
| MinceR | geekings | Apr 21 14:20 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458226592838598656 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458226675860647936 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458226767980138496 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458227125737517056 | Apr 21 14:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Peros Banhos atoll's land area is only 3.7mi². Its an important nesting site for Critically Endangered hawksbill turtles. #MPA | Apr 21 14:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Salomon atoll's land area is only 1.37mi², comprised of 11 tiny coral islets; an important forest habitat for coconut crabs. | Apr 21 14:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Diego Garcia atoll has a land area of only 10mi², in a very thin long ribbon around the atoll, partly occupied by the base. | Apr 21 14:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Seabird colonies have as much intrinsic value and right to be and live undisturbed, unpolluted, as human beings. #DeepEcology | Apr 21 14:21 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458228911206584321 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458228977929551872 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458229048419041280 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458229119621541889 | Apr 21 14:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz It is a question of the greater good for all concerned; protection of this unique unspoilt coral atoll wilderness is paramount. | Apr 21 14:22 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz The Chagos Islands are the last unspoilt coral atoll wilderness area in the overfished and polluted waters of the Indian Ocean. | Apr 21 14:22 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz In a world of over 7.2 billion humans, these precious coral atolls are an uninhabited refuge for Critically Endangered species. | Apr 21 14:22 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Britain must ensure the unique ecology of these tiny coral atolls is protected from 'development'. #deforestation #destruction | Apr 21 14:22 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458227125737517056 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458227048168042496 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458226946133229570 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458226848720490496 | Apr 21 14:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz #MPA 2014 British Indian Ocean Territory (BIOT) Science Expedition Blog: Exploring Fresh Territory: http://t.co/4viv7jDAFp | Apr 21 14:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> chagos-trust.org | 2014 BIOT Expedition | Chagos Conservation Trust | Apr 21 14:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Preservation of the Earth's last coral atoll wilderness areas, must come before human self-interest. http://t.co/jG8b5YGOxl | Apr 21 14:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> vimeo.com | Bertarelli Foundation on Vimeo | Apr 21 14:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz #MPA Seabirds and turtles have a right to live in peace, undisturbed, on their tiny remote coral atolls. http://t.co/drD41RAAwT | Apr 21 14:24 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> chagos-trust.org | Welcome to the Chagos Conservation Trust | Chagos Conservation Trust | Apr 21 14:24 | |
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| schestowitz | seems like classic claim for "divine rights" over place(colonisation) by #greenwashing presence, #militarybase contradicts it | Apr 21 14:36 |
| schestowitz | http://rbth.com/arts/2014/04/20/why_did_russia_sell_alaska_to_the_united_states_36061.html | Apr 21 14:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rbth.com | Why did Russia sell Alaska to the United States? | Russia Beyond The Headlines [ http://ur1.ca/h4yvl ] | Apr 21 14:38 | |
| schestowitz | How much can one trust the Russian press? | Apr 21 14:38 |
| MinceR | because they didn't know there was oil there, i'm guessing :> | Apr 21 14:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.geekwire.com/2014/heres-amazon-coms-earliest-employees-landed/ | Apr 21 14:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geekwire.com | Here's where 7 of Amazon's earliest employees landed: None in the startup ranks - GeekWire [ http://ur1.ca/h4ywk ] | Apr 21 14:44 | |
| schestowitz | "Davis is now a lecturer at Berlin’s Technische Universitat, and founder of Linux Audio Systems. " | Apr 21 14:44 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I'm thinking more along the lines of carriers and platforms for nukes | Apr 21 14:44 |
| schestowitz | the many islands are used for that | Apr 21 14:44 |
| schestowitz | and sometimes even for black sites (CIA torture), which last week we found out the US was using (British islands) | Apr 21 14:45 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458239341878575104 | Apr 21 14:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz The "divine rights" of Homo sapiens to trample all over tiny remote coral atolls includes building military bases. #seabirds | Apr 21 14:47 | |
| schestowitz | Military bases contribute a lot to pollution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollution | Apr 21 14:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Pollution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Apr 21 14:50 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458242596901765121 | Apr 21 14:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Yes, pollution is one thing, deforestation and habitat exclusion is another; thankfully the base is restricted to Diego Garcia. | Apr 21 14:56 | |
| schestowitz | I bet its presence there is either to do with nuclear/porting purposes, like "freedom" in Iraq | Apr 21 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458245388102041600 | Apr 21 15:19 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Yes, it is a common theme to have a good reason to invade another state's territory; do not forget the Sudeten Germans. #power | Apr 21 15:19 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SUPPORTING GOVERNMENT DIGITAL INITIATIVES WITH | Apr 21 15:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | OPEN SOURCE http://t.co/jGDT4AtnI7 | Apr 21 15:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUPPORTING GOVERNMENT DIGITAL INITIATIVES WITH OPEN SOURCE | Tux Machines | Apr 21 15:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 key insights on the transition from Windows | Apr 21 15:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to Linux http://t.co/MZVpNh2NYM | Apr 21 15:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 key insights on the transition from Windows to Linux | Tux Machines | Apr 21 15:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wasteland 2 adds Linux support in major Early | Apr 21 15:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Access update http://t.co/IYGPFm9NMq | Apr 21 15:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wasteland 2 adds Linux support in major Early Access update | Tux Machines | Apr 21 15:24 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Good news. I might be getting ready to buy a house. | Apr 21 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | It's a little bit of a fixer upper, but it's only $8,500. | Apr 21 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | All it *really* needs before I can move in is some minor repairs and maybe a new paint job. | Apr 21 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | Also, they have this little midget toilet in the bathroom that's going to have to come out. | Apr 21 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | I don't even know where they got that. | Apr 21 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | That's not a big issue though. I can get a new toilet for less than $100. | Apr 21 15:36 |
| DaemonFC | I knew that I lived in a small town for a reason. | Apr 21 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | That same house would be about $40,000 in Fort Wayne. | Apr 21 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | I might call that Solar City company and see about having solar panels installed on the roof if I buy that house. | Apr 21 15:54 |
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| msb__ | DaemonFC: Congratulations! All that coupon shopping pays off! | Apr 21 16:06 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 21 16:16 |
| Sosumi | russia sold alaska to the US, cheaply, with the conditionality for the US to drive the british out of canada | Apr 21 16:26 |
| Sosumi | which the US never bothered to | Apr 21 16:26 |
| MinceR | well, they're not british anymore :> | Apr 21 16:36 |
| schestowitz | still reign of the Queen | Apr 21 16:40 |
| schestowitz | Commonwealth | Apr 21 16:40 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: well done | Apr 21 16:41 |
| schestowitz | but what's the hype about buying houses? | Apr 21 16:41 |
| schestowitz | In the Uk there is a system of peer pressure, so almost everyone falls behind debt for compliance with social 'norms' | Apr 21 16:42 |
| schestowitz | Some people buy a house and have zero cash left | Apr 21 16:42 |
| schestowitz | so bye bye financial security, unless you sell the house or remortgage it for well below value | Apr 21 16:42 |
| Sosumi | I woukdn't mind buying a house | Apr 21 16:43 |
| Sosumi | but for what do I want a house if I'll put inside it are myself and a bunch of computers and desk | Apr 21 16:44 |
| Sosumi | doesn't make sense | Apr 21 16:44 |
| Sosumi | :) | Apr 21 16:44 |
| Sosumi | I certainly wouldn't mind communitarian housing | Apr 21 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I just want to own. | Apr 21 16:45 |
| Sosumi | a big kitchen and living room for everyone | Apr 21 16:46 |
| Sosumi | and then big rooms for everyone to sleep in and have their privacy | Apr 21 16:46 |
| Sosumi | and stuff | Apr 21 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | It's in excellent condition considering the price. | Apr 21 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | It even has new siding. | Apr 21 16:53 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wayneborean/status/458233558482444288 | Apr 21 16:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wayneborean: @schestowitz So how are things? We are still looking for a legal type to help resurrect Groklaw. | Apr 21 16:55 | |
| schestowitz | PJ already tried that wit Webbink | Apr 21 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | I could get a 3% loan, pay it off in five years. | Apr 21 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | Then I'm not wasting money on rent ever again. | Apr 21 16:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.04 ‘Trusty Tahr’ First Impressions | Apr 21 16:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/AgTNYWd4HE | Apr 21 16:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 14.04 ‘Trusty Tahr’ First Impressions | Tux Machines | Apr 21 16:58 | |
| schestowitz | rent is only one expense among several | Apr 21 17:01 |
| schestowitz | you may find that it only accounts for half of your accomodation/food-related expenses | Apr 21 17:01 |
| schestowitz | so you carry on paying, you are in debt and under stress, and you cannot relocate (even if you find a distant job), etc. | Apr 21 17:02 |
| schestowitz | If you can get a loan foor 3% annual interest rate, then it's probably from family | Apr 21 17:02 |
| schestowitz | in which case you just simply become indebted to a relative and the one who has most to lose is the relative | Apr 21 17:03 |
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| s | DaemonFC: sit down and do the maths, I know I did, it took a few hours | Apr 21 17:10 |
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| msb__ | I just killed my facebook account! It *is* possible! I had to google to ask how. | Apr 21 18:21 |
| msb__ | No more emails about so-and-so just posted another picture! No more "friend requests" from people I never heard of. If I want to talk with someone I'll send them an email, or better, call them on the phone. Or skype. (because I've never been able to get SIP working) | Apr 21 18:23 |
| Sosumi | I just talk to the ppl at the gym | Apr 21 18:26 |
| Sosumi | or to some random dude or girl that seats near me in classes | Apr 21 18:26 |
| msb__ | There ya go! That way you can smell them, too. | Apr 21 18:26 |
| Sosumi | and hear their voices and see their expressions | Apr 21 18:27 |
| Sosumi | much better than talking to some random schmuck on facebook | Apr 21 18:28 |
| msb__ | Yes. Technology has its place. | Apr 21 18:28 |
| Sosumi | tech yes | Apr 21 18:28 |
| Sosumi | facebook no | Apr 21 18:28 |
| cubezzz | I use facebook less and less | Apr 21 18:29 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: That ms-dirtytricks.txt file is great! I'd like to link to it from my Linux page. Are you always going to keep it at that location? | Apr 21 18:32 |
| cubezzz | yeah http://www.maxhost.org/other is sort of a catch-all place I use | Apr 21 18:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maxhost.org | Index of /other | Apr 21 18:33 | |
| msb__ | cubezzz: OK, excellent! People really need to know about Microsoft's evil acts. | Apr 21 18:34 |
| cubezzz | this url is also worth a look if you haven't seen it: | Apr 21 18:35 |
| cubezzz | http://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=364 | Apr 21 18:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.corporatewatch.org | Corporate Watch : Microsoft : Influence / Lobbying | Apr 21 18:36 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Games http://t.co/ZHEB8YLXCp | Apr 21 18:36 |
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| cubezzz | it's old but it talks about what happened after the DOJ decided not to break up Microsoft | Apr 21 18:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Digitimes Research: Microsoft facing | Apr 21 18:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | difficulties in 3 major segments | Apr 21 18:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/oyZ2P8o0D5 | Apr 21 18:36 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Will Enterprises Be Next to Warm Up to | Apr 21 18:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Chromebooks? http://t.co/QStMYGTU4f | Apr 21 18:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Games | Tux Machines | Apr 21 18:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Digitimes Research: Microsoft facing difficulties in 3 major segments | Tux Machines | Apr 21 18:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Will Enterprises Be Next to Warm Up to Chromebooks? | Tux Machines | Apr 21 18:37 | |
| cubezzz | I think Genuine Advantage was the last straw for a lot of people | Apr 21 18:38 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: Very good - thanks! | Apr 21 18:41 |
| msb__ | Hah! Advantage for MS, certainly not for the users. | Apr 21 18:44 |
| msb__ | That's like a sign I saw on the local comcast store door: "For your convenience, the store will be closing one hour earlier from now on." | Apr 21 18:46 |
| msb__ | Set up legal entities whose *only* requirement is to maximize shareholder profits, and that's what you get. Super-psychopaths. | Apr 21 18:50 |
| msb__ | Let them control the government and you get millions of people murdered. | Apr 21 18:50 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz__, When you see this, I'll be around in a bit......I'd say same channel mumble, but I'll DM you as I've forgotten which one we used before....speak to you in a bit. | Apr 21 18:55 |
| cubezzz | the history of unix and linux is interesting but one of the things that doesn't get talked about too much is that linux is getting steadily slower | Apr 21 18:58 |
| cubezzz | I'm running 2.2, 2.4 and 2.6 machines beside each other and I can really see the difference | Apr 21 18:58 |
| msb__ | Slower doing what? The only thing I see that isn't instantaneous is disk searches through lots of directories. | Apr 21 18:59 |
| cubezzz | well it's a combination of things | Apr 21 19:00 |
| cubezzz | aside from higher video resolutions (which is offset by faster video cards and cpu) there's slower memory allocation | Apr 21 19:01 |
| cubezzz | less efficient use of memory | Apr 21 19:01 |
| cubezzz | you would only see it if you ran different eras of linux on identical hardware, which almost is never the case | Apr 21 19:02 |
| msb__ | Those are *causes*, but what are the effects? What do you see that's running slowly? | Apr 21 19:02 |
| cubezzz | firefox is the big one | Apr 21 19:02 |
| cubezzz | it eats up most of the ram if given the chance | Apr 21 19:02 |
| msb__ | Unless you have 8 gigs of ram. | Apr 21 19:03 |
| msb__ | Then it gets into a loop and takes a whole cpu core just because you have 130 tabs open. | Apr 21 19:04 |
| msb__ | It's really gotten a whole lot more stable. | Apr 21 19:04 |
| msb__ | For one thing, when you restart it with all its previous windows and tabs, it doesn't actually restore any of the tabs except the one in each window that you're looking at. | Apr 21 19:05 |
| msb__ | In my case, that keeps the cpu from melting. | Apr 21 19:05 |
| msb__ | Or maybe vaporizing. | Apr 21 19:05 |
| cubezzz | heat dissipation, thanks for reminding me about that :) | Apr 21 19:06 |
| MinceR | it wouldn't melt, it would just take a long time until it became usable :> | Apr 21 19:06 |
| msb__ | Just monitor the core temps, and blow that cat-dust out of the heatsink fins every once in a while. | Apr 21 19:07 |
| msb__ | And don't overcook it. | Apr 21 19:09 |
| Sosumi | don't overcook the cat | Apr 21 19:10 |
| msb__ | Anyhow, even with all the abuse I give it, Firefox is still pretty much instantaneous, unless it's waiting for stuff from the server. | Apr 21 19:10 |
| msb__ | I really miss my cat. He was a super-being. | Apr 21 19:10 |
| Sosumi | what happened to it? | Apr 21 19:11 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: I hesitate to disagree with you, since you are such an expert, but I think hardware has more than kept up with software bloat. | Apr 21 19:12 |
| msb__ | Cancer | Apr 21 19:12 |
| Sosumi | ouch | Apr 21 19:12 |
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| msb__ | It was before the discovery of dichloroacetate. That might have been able to save him. | Apr 21 19:14 |
| msb__ | On a positive note with Firefox, I got it to smooth-scroll really nicely. | Apr 21 19:21 |
| cubezzz | there's also the question of actually understanding the code | Apr 21 19:42 |
| cubezzz | which after each iteration becomes more and more difficult | Apr 21 19:42 |
| cubezzz | and it's not merely 'bloat' | Apr 21 19:45 |
| cubezzz | it's also detritus | Apr 21 19:45 |
| cubezzz | there's a few major transitions worth mentioning | Apr 21 19:52 |
| cubezzz | these are hardware transitions | Apr 21 19:52 |
| cubezzz | DEC/IBM/SUN -> (Amiga,Atari) -> Sparc, PPC -> and the rather nebulous category of x86 PCs | Apr 21 19:53 |
| cubezzz | so we have all that aggregation, not all of that is in Linux but a lot of it is | Apr 21 19:56 |
| cubezzz | someone has to write the low-level stuff | Apr 21 19:57 |
| cubezzz | so anyways, the other point was there's tons and tons of code that never even gets executed | Apr 21 19:58 |
| cubezzz | compare ls.c in Unix v7 with ls.c in Linux sometime | Apr 21 19:58 |
| cubezzz | then count how many of ls's options you actually use | Apr 21 19:58 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Rugged Linux box offers Ethernet access to | Apr 21 19:59 |
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| cubezzz | the usb sub-system was re-written, also xorg is quite different from XFree86 version 3 | Apr 21 20:01 |
| cubezzz | those are just the 2.4 -> 2.6 kernel differences | Apr 21 20:02 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: Maybe this is the teensiest weensiest Linux: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanolinux | Apr 21 21:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Nanolinux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Apr 21 21:14 | |
| cubezzz | msb_, it's not | Apr 21 21:15 |
| cubezzz | but it depends on what one means by tiny | Apr 21 21:15 |
| cubezzz | nano/tiny core concentrated on reducing the disk space used | Apr 21 21:16 |
| cubezzz | nano core needs about 64 megs of ram, very small for today's distros but... | Apr 21 21:16 |
| cubezzz | Basic Linux 3 was designed for minimal use of memory and can run pretty well with 16 megs, including X | Apr 21 21:17 |
| schestowitz__ | _Goblin: ping | Apr 21 21:19 |
| cubezzz | without X you could get it down to 4 megs of ram | Apr 21 21:20 |
| msb__ | I want one that'll run on a single cross-connected 12AX7. | Apr 21 21:21 |
| msb__ | So it can survive an EMP. | Apr 21 21:23 |
| cubezzz | vacuum tubes :) | Apr 21 21:24 |
| msb__ | It doesn't have to have a lot of ls options. | Apr 21 21:24 |
| cubezzz | well you got me there | Apr 21 21:24 |
| MinceR | you could just use EMP shielding | Apr 21 21:25 |
| cubezzz | there's talk of nano vacuum tubes so you might just be on to something there | Apr 21 21:26 |
| msb__ | Nano is ok. I don't care if I need a microscope to see them, as long as I can see them glowing warm orange. | Apr 21 21:29 |
| MinceR | you can make a lot of things glow warm orange | Apr 21 21:30 |
| MinceR | iron, steel, glass, ... | Apr 21 21:30 |
| cubezzz | computer-wise you'd probably be a lot happier with an original PDP-8 | Apr 21 21:30 |
| msb__ | Nah, LINC had a much prettier front panel. | Apr 21 21:30 |
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| cubezzz | maybe you don't have to go back that far | Apr 21 21:32 |
| cubezzz | an Amiga had almost everything socketed, so it's still easy to repair assuming you can find the chips | Apr 21 21:33 |
| Sosumi | just get a tempest certified cabinet | Apr 21 21:33 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 21 21:33 |
| cubezzz | can you get those for PCs? | Apr 21 21:33 |
| Sosumi | well ofc | Apr 21 21:33 |
| Sosumi | to what else did you want to get one to? | Apr 21 21:34 |
| Sosumi | a mac? | Apr 21 21:34 |
| Sosumi | lol | Apr 21 21:34 |
| Sosumi | there cabinets for both rack mounting | Apr 21 21:34 |
| Sosumi | and others that let you trow a tower inside | Apr 21 21:35 |
| Sosumi | similar to those used in music studios to dampen the sound | Apr 21 21:35 |
| Sosumi | *at | Apr 21 21:35 |
| msb__ | The advantage of the LINC is that it had 12bit words, so you could address plenty of RAM, er, core. | Apr 21 21:36 |
| cubezzz | PDP-8 was also 12-bit | Apr 21 21:36 |
| msb__ | And lighted pushbuttons and little silver bat-handle toggle switches for address and data. | Apr 21 21:37 |
| cubezzz | too bad you don't have a LINC | Apr 21 21:37 |
| cubezzz | that would be quite a collector's item | Apr 21 21:37 |
| msb__ | PDP-8 had a crummy front panel and sharp pointy plastic switches. | Apr 21 21:38 |
| msb__ | Hurt your fingers when you set them to all 1s or all 0s. | Apr 21 21:38 |
| msb__ | The LINC even used discrete transistor circuits, not ICs. | Apr 21 21:39 |
| msb__ | But I'd replace them with 12AX7s. | Apr 21 21:39 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3961527 | Apr 21 21:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The world's first open source laptop crosses halfway mark in crowdfunding. http://www.dnaindia.com/scitech/report-the-world-s-first-open-source-laptop-laptop-crosses-halfway-mark-in-crowdfunding-1980420 | Apr 21 21:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.dnaindia.com | The world's first open source laptop laptop crosses halfway mark in crowdfunding. | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/h51a5 ] | Apr 21 21:40 | |
| schestowitz__ | "@Bugs: I think I read the chips are open too, but I can't find where. Firmware seems to be open." | Apr 21 21:40 |
| schestowitz__ | "I'm still just trying to figure out just how open this really is. Does it need proprietary drivers? Firmware? Do we have the schematics, not just down to the component, but to the transistor? Groups like the NSA like to infiltrate at the deepest levels, where often the higher levels are easier to open. Of this truly is open, transistor to user apps and everything in between, them it would be a significant security development indeed | Apr 21 21:41 |
| schestowitz__ | although great care would have to be taken by the governance to ensure no unwanted influence." | Apr 21 21:41 |
| msb__ | If we could get rid of the corporate-nazi-psychopaths in government, we wouldn't have to worry about them snooping in our computers. | Apr 21 21:45 |
| msb__ | Or shooting us. | Apr 21 21:45 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/portable-pdp8.png | Apr 21 21:45 |
| Sosumi | cubezzz, seatbelts? anyone? | Apr 21 21:47 |
| cubezzz | heh | Apr 21 21:47 |
| msb__ | Cute! Yeah those machines didn't just fit behind the front panel. | Apr 21 21:47 |
| msb__ | The S-100s did, though. | Apr 21 21:47 |
| cubezzz | they might have at least secured the PDP with some bungee cords | Apr 21 21:48 |
| Sosumi | :) | Apr 21 21:48 |
| Sosumi | or there would be a flying pdp8 | Apr 21 21:48 |
| msb__ | It would be a formidable weapon! | Apr 21 21:49 |
| Sosumi | nah | Apr 21 21:49 |
| Sosumi | catapulting washing machines was the best yet | Apr 21 21:49 |
| Sosumi | as the palestinians did back in 2010? | Apr 21 21:50 |
| Sosumi | or was it 2011 | Apr 21 21:50 |
| msb__ | Or cows. Run away! | Apr 21 21:50 |
| Sosumi | muuuh | Apr 21 21:50 |
| Sosumi | gn | Apr 21 21:52 |
| MinceR | o/ | Apr 21 21:52 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 21 22:32 |
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| DaemonFC | I can't believe how bad Windows 8 is. I can see why nobody wants to upgrade from Windows XP. | Apr 22 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | It's sort of sad that in 13 years, Microsoft has gone backwards from Windows XP, which wasn't all that good to begin with. | Apr 22 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | I sat down and tried to fix Collin's laptop and it was like an exorcism. | Apr 22 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 8 just does stupid shit at random and makes you wait so long to do a simple thing like open Firefox, that you just want to scream. | Apr 22 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu 14.04 LTS will be done downloading soon, and then that copy of Windows is getting nuked. | Apr 22 02:18 |
| DaemonFC | I've just gotten too used to GNU/Linux, which usually does the right thing the first time, and never gets saddled with crapware, trialware, shovelware, malware, and fuck-ups in general. | Apr 22 02:18 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Is Financing A Lot Of Great Open-Source | Apr 22 07:03 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/wayneborean/status/458342676442935297 | Apr 22 07:42 |
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| msb__ | 8^) | Apr 22 11:30 |
| msb__ | "<DaemonFC> I sat down and tried to fix Collin's laptop and it was like an exorcism." The Power of Linux compels you! | Apr 22 11:32 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 22 11:41 |
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| msb__ | MinceR: Hi! That joke you posted was very funny, and fairly represents the paranoia and insanity of the current North Korean government, which it openly portrays to the world. | Apr 22 12:57 |
| msb__ | MinceR: However, from what I've been able to learn so far, that paranoia is a result of the murder of about 30% of the North Korean population during the Korean War, which was started by multiple invasions by the South Korean military into the North, urged by the U.S. | Apr 22 12:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why an open source community beats access to tech support | Tux Machines | Apr 22 12:59 | |
| MinceR | yeah, it's never the communist's fault in your world | Apr 22 12:59 |
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| msb__ | MinceR: Journalist I F Stone wrote a book about this. Since you haven't watched the David Korten video, I doubt that you'll want to look at the book. You don't take in any information that might alter your current viewpoint. That guarantees that you'll never learn anything. | Apr 22 13:02 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Even wikipedia recognizes that South Korean president Synghman Rhee was a repressive dictator -- a torturer and murderer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synghman_Rhee#Political_repression | Apr 22 13:04 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Syngman Rhee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h573g ] | Apr 22 13:04 | |
| MinceR | which means that south korea is evil forever? | Apr 22 13:04 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Of course not. But what it means is that the repressiveness of North Korea is due to the shock of having a third of its population murderd by the U.S. military during the Korean War, which the US and South Korea provoked. Burning people to death with napalm was one of the main methods of this murder. | Apr 22 13:10 |
| MinceR | and being shocked means being an evil dictatorship forever is good | Apr 22 13:11 |
| MinceR | so long as you use the communist symbols | Apr 22 13:11 |
| MinceR | because doing the exact same thing with nazi symbols is evil | Apr 22 13:11 |
| MinceR | why do commies believe that the symbols you use while you commit atrocities is the only thing that matters? | Apr 22 13:12 |
| msb__ | MinceR: If the US had not intervened, in order to prevent a unified socialist or at least liberal Korea from being formed, as many in the south wanted, then Korea would be very different now. Of course the US intervention, as always, was for the purpose of destroying socialism and any workers' organizing, lest it cut into the profits of the wealthy businessmen who control the US government. | Apr 22 13:13 |
| MinceR | yeah, "socialist" states are so liberal | Apr 22 13:14 |
| MinceR | that is, if we assume that "liberal" means the exact opposite of what it really means | Apr 22 13:14 |
| msb__ | "Liberal" means enabling freedom. | Apr 22 13:15 |
| msb__ | That includes giving working people control of farms, factories, etc, and the profits thereof. | Apr 22 13:15 |
| MinceR | how exactly does a dictatorship with no freedom of speech where the state owns and controls everything "enable freedom"? | Apr 22 13:16 |
| MinceR | also, do you define the dictator and their bootlickers "working people"? | Apr 22 13:17 |
| MinceR | (i know they tend to love parading as such...) | Apr 22 13:17 |
| msb__ | The nature of the US system is shown by its execution of the false-flag 9/11 terror attack, and its subsequent use of that deception to murder 2,000,000 people in Afghanistan and Iraq, and to destroy the economy and infrastructure of Libya. | Apr 22 13:17 |
| msb__ | No, I define actual ordinary working people as such. | Apr 22 13:17 |
| MinceR | well, at least now i know that your false-liberal love of communism extends to north korea | Apr 22 13:18 |
| msb__ | You're totally lying. I wrote 24 minutes ago "paranoia and insanity of the current North Korean government", and 9 minutes ago "the repressiveness of North Korea". Why do you lie, when your lies are so easy to refute? | Apr 22 13:21 |
| MinceR | yes, you tried to make it seem as if it was entirely the fault of the USA | Apr 22 13:23 |
| MinceR | because obviously if someone uses the sickle, the hammer and the five-pointed star, they can be nothing less than an angel. | Apr 22 13:23 |
| MinceR | you're one of the most gullible people i know | Apr 22 13:23 |
| msb__ | MinceR: You can get a scanned pdf of _The hidden history of the Korean War, 1950-1951 (A Nonconformist history of our times) I. F Stone_ here: http://en.bookfi.org/book/1427116 | Apr 22 13:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.bookfi.org | The hidden history of the Korean War, 1950-1951 (A Nonconformist history of our times) | I. F Stone | digital library Bookfi | Apr 22 13:26 | |
| MinceR | which explains how repressive regimes can be the epitome of good in a way that can not be reduced to less than 50 pages, i'm sure | Apr 22 13:26 |
| Sosumi | north korea is the best korea | Apr 22 13:40 |
| Sosumi | specially if you like to be stuck in the past | Apr 22 13:41 |
| Sosumi | and live a miserable, short and brutish life | Apr 22 13:41 |
| Sosumi | most of that all thanks to US meddling | Apr 22 13:42 |
| msb__ | “….we have come to the conclusion that (South Korean president) Syngman Rhee deliberately provoked the North Koreans in the hope that they would retaliate by crossing the parallel in force. The northerners fell neatly into the trap.” http://www.globalresearch.ca/americas-war-on-north-korea/5329374 | Apr 22 13:42 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | America’s War on North Korea | Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/h57cs ] | Apr 22 13:42 | |
| Sosumi | I'm not a fan of global research | Apr 22 13:42 |
| Sosumi | those guys tend to get things wrong | Apr 22 13:43 |
| msb__ | Sosumi: Too bad. It's one of the most accurate alternative new sites on the Web, not influenced by corporatist/fascist propaganda. | Apr 22 13:43 |
| msb__ | new-->news | Apr 22 13:44 |
| Sosumi | is it? | Apr 22 13:44 |
| Sosumi | I'm not so sure | Apr 22 13:44 |
| Sosumi | but nvm | Apr 22 13:44 |
| MinceR | perhaps it has biases msb__ agrees with :> | Apr 22 13:44 |
| Sosumi | :) | Apr 22 13:44 |
| MinceR | i suspect it's harder to notice biases one agrees with | Apr 22 13:45 |
| msb__ | CRG was among the first to expose the US use of Al-qaeda as proxies in its attack on Syria. Eventually other sites followed suit. | Apr 22 13:46 |
| msb__ | Well, I told you where you can get Stone's book yourselves. | Apr 22 13:47 |
| Sosumi | oliver stone? | Apr 22 13:48 |
| msb__ | MinceR: You can get a scanned pdf of _The hidden history of the Korean War, 1950-1951 (A Nonconformist history of our times) I. F Stone_ here: http://en.bookfi.org/book/1427116 | Apr 22 13:48 |
| msb__ | I have never said, as MinceR lied, that "repressive regimes can be the epitome of good". What I do say is that when a nation has 30% of its population murdered by being burned and bombed to death can cause a long-lasting trauma and subsequent paranoia. | Apr 22 13:53 |
| msb__ | ...and that can easily lead to repression. The survivors focus on defending themselves against any possible attack or subversion. Especially with the US currently murdering millions of people, using its deceptions like 9/11 as the pretext. | Apr 22 13:56 |
| msb__ | Actually, the US is doing far more harm in the world than North Korea is. NK only attacks its own citizens. The US routinely invades other nations and murders millions of people. | Apr 22 13:58 |
| MinceR | therefore we should hand all power to NK so they can do more harm in the world | Apr 22 13:59 |
| MinceR | right? | Apr 22 13:59 |
| Sosumi | not all | Apr 22 14:01 |
| Sosumi | just some | Apr 22 14:01 |
| Sosumi | so by little the regime loses its power | Apr 22 14:01 |
| MinceR | yeah, regimes lose their power when they're given more power | Apr 22 14:01 |
| msb__ | MinceR: No, we should learn how the Korean War was started, realize that the insanity of the NK govt was caused by that, apologize for it, and try to help them -- supply food and other aid. | Apr 22 14:02 |
| Sosumi | sanctioning them will only cause the people to actually cling to their "leaders" | Apr 22 14:02 |
| MinceR | yeah, giving aid to dictatorships tend to work out so well | Apr 22 14:02 |
| MinceR | like in africa | Apr 22 14:02 |
| Sosumi | I meant that in the sense of removing the economic sanctions | Apr 22 14:02 |
| Sosumi | just let them be | Apr 22 14:02 |
| Sosumi | this isn't africa, it is NK | Apr 22 14:03 |
| MinceR | yeah, i know, it's worse | Apr 22 14:03 |
| Sosumi | africa is a much different story | Apr 22 14:03 |
| MinceR | much different and yet megalomaniac dictators work so similarly | Apr 22 14:03 |
| Sosumi | well but the dictators in africa have support from london and the US | Apr 22 14:04 |
| Sosumi | in order to secure the diamond extraction | Apr 22 14:04 |
| Sosumi | and other mining operations | Apr 22 14:04 |
| Sosumi | and ofc | Apr 22 14:04 |
| Sosumi | to jack the prices all the way up | Apr 22 14:05 |
| msb__ | People can evaluate the policies of their megalomaniac dictators much more accurately if they aren't starving to death. | Apr 22 14:08 |
| MinceR | aid rarely reaches the people, though | Apr 22 14:09 |
| msb__ | Only one way to find out. We have plenty. | Apr 22 14:09 |
| msb__ | And the aid (and apology) would be widely publicized, so if the NK regime withheld the food from its people it would be shamed. | Apr 22 14:10 |
| MinceR | afaik it was attempted several times already | Apr 22 14:11 |
| MinceR | as for the apology, it would probably not reach the NK people intact | Apr 22 14:11 |
| msb__ | If so, I doubt if it was with an apology for provoking the Korean War. | Apr 22 14:11 |
| MinceR | indeed, it was not with any apologies | Apr 22 14:12 |
| msb__ | But the apology would reach the rest of the world. | Apr 22 14:12 |
| MinceR | and accomplish nothing | Apr 22 14:12 |
| msb__ | So you say MinceR. But actually, it couldn't hurt to try. | Apr 22 14:12 |
| msb__ | The situation is no different from trying to help a severely abused child, who now hates everyone. | Apr 22 14:14 |
| msb__ | In fact, since the NK govt is made up of people, who are severely traumatized by the Korean War, even if it happened before they were born, it's really the *same* situation. | Apr 22 14:16 |
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| satipera | @schestowitz i always thought your rss subsciption list for techrights and tux machines research must be interesting. do you care to share it? | Apr 22 19:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Apr 22 19:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines (GNOME) What's coming in Maps 3.14 and beyond | Apr 22 19:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Apr 22 19:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | (GNOME) What's coming in Maps 3.14 and beyond | Tux Machines | Apr 22 19:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenSSL Forked By OpenBSD Into LibreSSL | Tux Machines | Apr 22 19:59 | |
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| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3966420 | Apr 22 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I never did any illegal drugs. Unless I had lived in the US 100 years ago; Alcohol was at that stage an illegal drug, unlike pot. | Apr 22 20:37 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Wasn't that also the golden age of the maffia?" | Apr 22 20:37 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3966492 | Apr 22 20:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #wordpress 3.9 feels like a beta version of 3.6. And it also comes with a #backdoor which drives me away to #drupal over time. | Apr 22 20:38 | |
| schestowitz__ | "^ +1" | Apr 22 20:38 |
| schestowitz__ | "WP was never too secure, actually. If you want it to be secure - keep it simple." | Apr 22 20:38 |
| schestowitz__ | "marc, you get a +1 for spreading "KISS principle"." | Apr 22 20:38 |
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| MinceR | http://www.buzzfeed.com/miriamelder/ceo-of-russian-facebook-says-he-was-fired-and-that-the-socia | Apr 22 20:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.buzzfeed.com | CEO Of "Russian Facebook" Says He Was Fired And That The Social Network Is Now In The Hands Of Putin Allies [ http://ur1.ca/h5a4p ] | Apr 22 20:52 | |
| Sosumi | http://www.voltairenet.org/article183373.html | Apr 22 21:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voltairenet.org | Ukraine: Poland trained putchists two months in advance | "Caught red-handed" [ http://ur1.ca/h5ahu ] | Apr 22 21:25 | |
| Sosumi | lulz | Apr 22 21:25 |
| Sosumi | "Two months after the change of regime in Kiev, the Polish press has disclosed the role of Donald Tusk’s government in preparing the coup." | Apr 22 21:25 |
| Sosumi | maybe the next time some polish dude goes on a trip to russia | Apr 22 21:28 |
| Sosumi | his plane will end up "mysteriously" falling | Apr 22 21:28 |
| MinceR | didn't that happen already? | Apr 22 21:30 |
| MinceR | with kaczynski and his partners in crime? | Apr 22 21:30 |
| Sosumi | can't it happen again? :) | Apr 22 21:33 |
| MinceR | of course it can | Apr 22 21:35 |
| Sosumi | http://www.voltairenet.org/article183131.html | Apr 22 21:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voltairenet.org | Ex-CIA agent reveals how Venezuelan “students” get putschist training [ http://ur1.ca/h5al6 ] | Apr 22 21:40 | |
| Sosumi | well, no surprise at all | Apr 22 21:41 |
| Sosumi | I've also heard an interview this morning on ruptly with a venezuelan student | Apr 22 21:41 |
| Sosumi | and she appeared to jut be nothing more than a parrot | Apr 22 21:42 |
| Sosumi | but ho well | Apr 22 21:44 |
| Sosumi | gn | Apr 22 21:44 |
| MinceR | o/ | Apr 22 21:44 |
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| MinceR | https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1403_02-08_mickens.pdf | Apr 23 07:37 |
| MinceR | geekings | Apr 23 09:10 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HotLinuxJobs: The demand has always outstripped | Apr 23 13:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HotLinuxJobs: The demand has always outstripped the supply for Linux professionals | Tux Machines | Apr 23 13:05 | |
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| schestowitz__ | MinceR: I am looking at that PDF | Apr 23 14:07 |
| schestowitz__ | Any special relevance I'm missing? | Apr 23 14:07 |
| MinceR | no special relevance, i think | Apr 23 14:07 |
| MinceR | just very funny | Apr 23 14:07 |
| schestowitz__ | yes, I saw that running quickly through all pages | Apr 23 14:09 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3971052 | Apr 23 14:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Not all Western #drone victims have passport revoked (remotely) before they are assassinated. Means it's often accidental, justified later. | Apr 23 14:09 | |
| schestowitz__ | "We shot you, therefore you're guilty. Outstanding!" | Apr 23 14:10 |
| MinceR | though i it did make me realize that HTML should not only replaced in the 'hypertext' role but also in the 'secure remote GUI' role | Apr 23 14:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Appeals Court now forces them to disclosure documents, but the dead cannot defend selves anymore | Apr 23 14:10 |
| MinceR | which explains why they did things like that :> | Apr 23 14:12 |
| schestowitz__ | My guess is: | Apr 23 14:12 |
| schestowitz__ | 1. They can make claims about what they in Yemen, only based on "official" accounts (nearby witnessed fried in Hellfire also). | Apr 23 14:12 |
| schestowitz__ | 2. They will sex up the claims. I've seen that done to many people before; just tie them up to some reading list to call them Marxist, Nazi, or something along those lies to detach public sympathy. | Apr 23 14:12 |
| schestowitz__ | 3. Guilt by association for any young people or women killed. | Apr 23 14:12 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3961527 | Apr 23 14:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The world's first open source laptop crosses halfway mark in crowdfunding. http://www.dnaindia.com/scitech/report-the-world-s-first-open-source-laptop-laptop-crosses-halfway-mark-in-crowdfunding-1980420 | Apr 23 14:17 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Either way, I hope it takes off. I have a decent laptop for the moment, but next time I switch I'd love to build one of those." | Apr 23 14:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.dnaindia.com | The world's first open source laptop crosses halfway mark in crowdfunding. | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/h5bw8 ] | Apr 23 14:17 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/ekendo/status/458960760970825728 | Apr 23 14:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ekendo: "@schestowitz: #Ethiopia "GNU/Linux with numbers pushing 30%" http://t.co/us7T7u2B6U depending on the day #yournerds #software" | Apr 23 14:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> mrpogson.com | Desktop OS In Ethiopia – What A Difference A Day Makes | Robert Pogson | Apr 23 14:39 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Future update gives better view of Chromebook | Apr 23 15:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | CPU usage http://t.co/DvGZjKVE2u | Apr 23 15:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Future update gives better view of Chromebook CPU usage | Tux Machines | Apr 23 15:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.0 Is Looking | Apr 23 15:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Fantastic http://t.co/ggwxEdyrim | Apr 23 15:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.0 Is Looking Fantastic | Tux Machines | Apr 23 15:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tabletop Simulator now on Steam Early Access | Apr 23 15:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/t1HNH3Yn8o | Apr 23 15:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tabletop Simulator now on Steam Early Access | Tux Machines | Apr 23 15:45 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3970700 | Apr 23 15:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hey AT&T, enough with the gigawashing! http://gigaom.com/2014/04/21/hey-att-enough-with-the-gigawashing/ AT&T a huge violator of #privacy and #internet #censorship villain | Apr 23 15:47 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> gigaom.com | Hey AT&T, enough with the gigawashing! — Tech News and Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/h5j6k ] | Apr 23 15:47 | |
| schestowitz__ | "While blocking competitors http://action.sumofus.org/a/att-alec-lobby-community-owned-internet-networks/" | Apr 23 15:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-action.sumofus.org | AT&T is waging a war against rural communities across America. | SumOfUs [ http://ur1.ca/h5j6l ] | Apr 23 15:47 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3970408 | Apr 23 15:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: []() **Debian** | Apr 23 15:47 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Black whiting. It's the derivatives that mix in non free software and betray users to owners." | Apr 23 15:47 |
| Sosumi | http://www.voltairenet.org/article30109.html | Apr 23 15:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voltairenet.org | Skull and Bones, the Elite of the Empire | United States: The Hidden Power [ http://ur1.ca/h5ja8 ] | Apr 23 15:59 | |
| Sosumi | msb__, msb__, where are thee? ho great msb__, I present thee with the article above for thy mind to wonder | Apr 23 16:01 |
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| msb__ | Sosumi: Hi! Here I be! Thanks for that voltairenet article on US infiltration and subversion of Cuba and Venezuela! | Apr 23 16:03 |
| Sosumi | Thierry Meyssan is a kewl guy :) | Apr 23 16:04 |
| msb__ | Yes, and what a great name! This article looks very good too. There are quite a few of these societies of the rulers -- Bilderburg, Trilateral, Council on Foreign Relations, Mont Pelerin Society, etc. And probably more that we've never heard of that are totally secret. | Apr 23 16:14 |
| msb__ | ... Bohemian Grove. Some of them are said to bring in children for the members to abuse sexually. | Apr 23 16:17 |
| msb__ | I think Heinlein wrote a story about people who used psychic powers against monsters like these. Anyone remember its name? Maybe the Big Bad got compressed into spherical shape at the end? | Apr 23 16:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CentOS 6 on the desktop: What I've learned so | Apr 23 16:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CentOS 6 on the desktop: What I've learned so far | Tux Machines | Apr 23 16:38 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DNF 0.5.0 Released http://t.co/vhojzL0t2N | Apr 23 16:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Contributions Welcome | Tux Machines | Apr 23 16:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | DNF 0.5.0 Released | Tux Machines | Apr 23 16:38 | |
| Sosumi | even serious? psychic powers? | Apr 23 16:41 |
| Sosumi | lol | Apr 23 16:41 |
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| Sosumi | https://twitter.com/GalileoMovement/status/458974356975022081 | Apr 23 17:44 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GalileoMovement: CARTOON - People paying you to stay in bed http://t.co/bVjKOfvuTm | Apr 23 17:44 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GalileoMovement: CARTOON - People paying you to stay in bed http://t.co/bVjKOfvuTm | Apr 23 17:44 | |
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| msb__ | Sosumi: psychic powers were in a fictional story by Robert Heinlein, IIRC. But the article on Skull and Bones says it was connected with Brown Brothers Harrington, which was involved with funding the Nazis for WWII. The most important thing then, as now, for these ultra-wealthy capitalists, was to stop socialism, because organized workers will not give most of the profits to rich company owners. Hitler murdered socialists and labor | Apr 23 18:32 |
| msb__ | organizers everywhere he could find them, and, of course, attacked the USSR. | Apr 23 18:32 |
| msb__ | Harrington --> Harriman | Apr 23 18:32 |
| msb__ | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar | Apr 23 18:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power | World news | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/gvzy9 ] | Apr 23 18:33 | |
| Sosumi | that is widely known | Apr 23 18:33 |
| msb__ | It needs to be much *more* widely known! | Apr 23 18:34 |
| Sosumi | that the american elite of the time were all pretty much in love with that despicable british creature | Apr 23 18:34 |
| Sosumi | the shicklegruber guy | Apr 23 18:34 |
| MinceR | hitler was a National Socialist. :> | Apr 23 18:35 |
| Sosumi | he was just in name | Apr 23 18:35 |
| msb__ | Hitler was NOT a socialist! That was a lie to get him accepted by the population. | Apr 23 18:35 |
| Sosumi | a true socialist makes sure the ppl are fed, clothed and punishes you when you misbehave | Apr 23 18:36 |
| msb__ | Fascism benefits wealthy owners. Socialism benefits working people. | Apr 23 18:36 |
| Sosumi | aka like a big daddy | Apr 23 18:36 |
| msb__ | Capitalist govt punishes misbehavers (pot smokers, prostitutes, etc) also. | Apr 23 18:37 |
| Sosumi | but it doesn't look after you | Apr 23 18:37 |
| Sosumi | and is based on social dawinistics | Apr 23 18:38 |
| msb__ | darwinism | Apr 23 18:38 |
| msb__ | The most powerful survive and dominate the rest. | Apr 23 18:39 |
| MinceR | that's social spencerism, darwin had nothing to do with it | Apr 23 18:39 |
| MinceR | ...or do you think that biology is a lie as well? :> | Apr 23 18:40 |
| msb__ | Maybe, but that's what people have labelled it. | Apr 23 18:40 |
| MinceR | people without any understanding of what they're talking about | Apr 23 18:40 |
| Sosumi | it is what everyone calls that | Apr 23 18:43 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Have you stopped beating your wife? | Apr 23 18:43 |
| MinceR | mu | Apr 23 18:44 |
| msb__ | Aha! A Zen Buddhist! | Apr 23 18:44 |
| cubezzz | the cake is a lie :) | Apr 23 18:44 |
| Sosumi | going by another name would only cause unnecessary discussion most of the times | Apr 23 18:44 |
| Sosumi | lol | Apr 23 18:44 |
| MinceR | not exactly | Apr 23 18:45 |
| msb__ | This is not a pipe. | Apr 23 18:45 |
| cubezzz | it will work after the next compile | Apr 23 18:45 |
| msb__ | 8^) | Apr 23 18:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/TrFqlZTFJO | Apr 23 18:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 23 18:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Week in Techrights http://t.co/QgpudLtrrt | Apr 23 18:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Week in Techrights | Tux Machines | Apr 23 18:49 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The OnePlus One smartphone is a denim-clad $299 | Apr 23 18:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Cyanogen monster http://t.co/axnJ4PbU9H | Apr 23 18:49 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The OnePlus One smartphone is a denim-clad $299 Cyanogen monster | Tux Machines | Apr 23 18:49 | |
| msb__ | I'll bet the Skulls are behind Hydra, the criminal organization that has just taken over Marvel's Agents of SHIELD (an excellent TV series, highly recommended). | Apr 23 18:55 |
| msb__ | SHIELD has an enormous VTOL aircraft, with a gorgeous Chinese woman -- played by Ming-Na Wen -- who pilots it. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001840/ | Apr 23 18:59 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | Ming-Na Wen - IMDb | Apr 23 18:59 | |
| Sosumi | tv is a waste of time | Apr 23 18:59 |
| msb__ | Not this show! | Apr 23 18:59 |
| msb__ | Good TV and movies stretch your mind, like dreams. | Apr 23 19:00 |
| msb__ | Encourage you to think out of the ordinary. | Apr 23 19:00 |
| Sosumi | naah | Apr 23 19:01 |
| Sosumi | tv and entertainment in general are weaponized to bring in new standards | Apr 23 19:02 |
| Sosumi | in a kind of monkey see, monkey do fashion | Apr 23 19:02 |
| msb__ | In general, maybe, but there are a few good ones. | Apr 23 19:02 |
| Sosumi | well, good then, go watch them | Apr 23 19:03 |
| Sosumi | as for me, I don't even have a tv | Apr 23 19:04 |
| msb__ | The "zombie" trend is certainly what you say. | Apr 23 19:04 |
| Sosumi | and the only movies I watch are old samurai movies from akira kurosawa | Apr 23 19:05 |
| msb__ | How about The Golden Compass, The Matrix, The Man From Earth, ... | Apr 23 19:05 |
| Sosumi | or some interesting japanese anime on the lines of ghost in the shell | Apr 23 19:05 |
| msb__ | I love that one! | Apr 23 19:06 |
| msb__ | But if you tried to give head to Kusanagi, would you chip a tooth on her titanium nethers? | Apr 23 19:07 |
| msb__ | Remember how she offerred herself to that kid in a car? | Apr 23 19:08 |
| Sosumi | I meant ghost in the shell as in the mammoru ochi's adaptation of the book | Apr 23 19:08 |
| msb__ | offered | Apr 23 19:08 |
| Sosumi | I've seen the stand alone complex animes but I hardly remember them | Apr 23 19:09 |
| msb__ | So are you talking about something different? | Apr 23 19:09 |
| msb__ | The movie? | Apr 23 19:09 |
| Sosumi | yes | Apr 23 19:09 |
| Sosumi | the 1995 movie | Apr 23 19:10 |
| Sosumi | and the sequel from 2004 | Apr 23 19:10 |
| msb__ | Woof! There's a sequel? | Apr 23 19:10 |
| Sosumi | yes | Apr 23 19:10 |
| Sosumi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP2Pt6m3yKU | Apr 23 19:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Ghost in the Shell - trailer - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/h5kiw ] | Apr 23 19:11 | |
| Sosumi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1KwJfdq0gU | Apr 23 19:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Ghost in the Shell 2 - Innocence - Trailer - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/h5kj3 ] | Apr 23 19:11 | |
| msb__ | Ah. And there's also Solid State Society. | Apr 23 19:12 |
| Sosumi | yes but that one falls into the stand alone complex kind of thing | Apr 23 19:13 |
| msb__ | OK, I have both on DVDs, have to watch them again. | Apr 23 19:13 |
| cubezzz | ok, radeonfb is interesting | Apr 23 19:14 |
| cubezzz | I have a new way of fixing console problems now | Apr 23 19:14 |
| cubezzz | the documentation is rather sparse (as usual) | Apr 23 19:15 |
| cubezzz | fbset let's you manipulate the video settings used by the console | Apr 23 19:16 |
| Sosumi | http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3999/nffk.jpg | Apr 23 19:18 |
| cubezzz | ha, I thought that said "auto-make" for a second | Apr 23 19:19 |
| cubezzz | man fb.modes actually tells one a bit about how the frame buffer works | Apr 23 19:21 |
| MinceR | :D | Apr 23 19:22 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: So does F7 actually switch you back and forth between X and FB, not just X and the console? | Apr 23 19:27 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: Could one write a program that you start in the console, and it does FB graphics? | Apr 23 19:28 |
| cubezzz | sure | Apr 23 19:28 |
| cubezzz | mplayer does that | Apr 23 19:28 |
| cubezzz | I wouldn't assume ctrl-alt-f7 toggles X and the console | Apr 23 19:29 |
| cubezzz | that's distro specific | Apr 23 19:29 |
| cubezzz | my understanding is the fb takes the text console over when loaded | Apr 23 19:30 |
| msb__ | So when mplayer plays a movie, the movie rectangle is in FB, in the middle of the X display? | Apr 23 19:31 |
| cubezzz | no, mplayer usually defaults to xv video output if you run it within X | Apr 23 19:32 |
| cubezzz | if you're in the fb, then it's smart enough to use fbdev | Apr 23 19:34 |
| msb__ | I forgot, it's ctrl-alt-Fn, n = 1 to 6, that goes to a console, and ctrl-alt-F7 that comes back to X. | Apr 23 19:35 |
| msb__ | OK, google for -- linux programming framebuffer in C -- finds lots of stuff | Apr 23 19:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Steam Updated For Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, SteamOS | Apr 23 19:39 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Yes, you should replace Windows XP with Linux | Apr 23 19:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Steam Updated For Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, SteamOS | Tux Machines | Apr 23 19:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google Web Designer Available For Linux | Tux Machines | Apr 23 19:40 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yes, you should replace Windows XP with Linux | Tux Machines | Apr 23 19:40 | |
| cubezzz | msb__, programming the framebuffer is a throw-back to what people used to do for graphics programming | Apr 23 19:41 |
| msb__ | But I'll bet it runs faster than programming graphics in X | Apr 23 19:41 |
| msb__ | And I'll bet it's more like programming graphics in PC-DOS, which certain old farts used to be good at. | Apr 23 19:43 |
| cubezzz | you would think that but it's not true :) | Apr 23 19:43 |
| cubezzz | the framebuffer is significantly slower than accelerated X | Apr 23 19:43 |
| msb__ | Does current Linux use accelerated X? | Apr 23 19:44 |
| cubezzz | sure | Apr 23 19:44 |
| cubezzz | run glxinfo on your box | Apr 23 19:44 |
| cubezzz | near the top it should say "direct rendering: Yes" | Apr 23 19:44 |
| cubezzz | there's even acceleration for some old msdos games now via scummvm | Apr 23 19:46 |
| cubezzz | it's not quite as fast as running freedos, but it's pretty close | Apr 23 19:47 |
| msb__ | Yes it does. Had to run it thru "less". All I was seeing was the mode table. | Apr 23 19:47 |
| MinceR | xvideo tends to have video-specific acceleration | Apr 23 19:49 |
| msb__ | Here's a tutorial on programming the FB in C http://www.cnblogs.com/huqingyu/archive/2005/03/05/113634.html | Apr 23 19:52 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnblogs.com | Linux 2.2 Framebuffer Device Programming Tutorial - 浙林龙哥 - 博客园 [ http://ur1.ca/h5kqx ] | Apr 23 19:52 | |
| cubezzz | if I didn't care about anything except speed and it was OK for the program to take over the machine then I'd probably just use freedos | Apr 23 19:52 |
| cubezzz | you probably aren't going to use the framebuffer too much | Apr 23 19:55 |
| msb__ | So what's the best way to program 2-D graphics in C for X? Qt? | Apr 23 19:55 |
| cubezzz | well... in the old days you would learn xlib programming | Apr 23 19:56 |
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| cubezzz | later on people used motif | Apr 23 19:57 |
| MinceR | but no xt and xaw? :> | Apr 23 19:57 |
| cubezzz | nowadays it's qt, gtk, or fltk | Apr 23 19:57 |
| MinceR | qt seems to get very little use lately | Apr 23 19:57 |
| MinceR | except kde and unity, i guess | Apr 23 19:58 |
| cubezzz | motif is a higher level above xt, xaw, Xmu | Apr 23 19:58 |
| MinceR | i thought motif and xaw were competition to each other | Apr 23 19:59 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: That xrubik code you sent me uses xlib? Which is lower level than qt? | Apr 23 19:59 |
| cubezzz | msb__, yes that's pure xlib | Apr 23 20:00 |
| MinceR | xlib is the lowest level you get for x, except talking the x protocol yourself directly | Apr 23 20:00 |
| msb__ | Can xlib calls do regions, and not just dots? | Apr 23 20:00 |
| MinceR | there's also xcb, which is supposed to be an alternative to xlib | Apr 23 20:00 |
| MinceR | x does a large set of graphics primitives | Apr 23 20:00 |
| MinceR | people say it's too large :) | Apr 23 20:00 |
| cubezzz | all the libs call xcb really | Apr 23 20:00 |
| cubezzz | unless you're using something really old | Apr 23 20:01 |
| cubezzz | e.g. fc1 used xlib | Apr 23 20:04 |
| cubezzz | even xrubik uses xcb when compiled on 'modern' linux | Apr 23 20:05 |
| cubezzz | there's a diagram that explains the graphical toolkits: | Apr 23 20:05 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/graphic-toolkits.png | Apr 23 20:06 |
| msb__ | Great! That really helps. | Apr 23 20:07 |
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| cubezzz | that's not the whole story though | Apr 23 20:15 |
| cubezzz | in games we used SDL | Apr 23 20:15 |
| cubezzz | I think with SDL you can use X or the frame buffer | Apr 23 20:16 |
| cubezzz | I'll have to try that sometime | Apr 23 20:16 |
| cubezzz | ha, yeah it fails because it can't access the mouse :) | Apr 23 20:17 |
| cubezzz | looks like they dropped frame buffer support in SDL 2.0 | Apr 23 20:21 |
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| msb__ | Looks like I can program in Ruby for GTK+ and Qt4. Slower, but more fun. | Apr 23 20:28 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Apr 23 20:33 |
| MinceR | hay | Apr 23 20:34 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: hi | Apr 23 20:35 |
| cubezzz | msb__, you might find this interesting: | Apr 23 20:41 |
| cubezzz | http://www.directfb.org | Apr 23 20:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.directfb.org | directfb.org | Main | Apr 23 20:41 | |
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| msb__ | cubezzz: Thanks! | Apr 23 21:12 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical Is Taking Over Linux 3.13 Kernel | Apr 23 22:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Maintenance http://t.co/BDk2JfuKjy | Apr 23 22:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | U talking to me? | Tux Machines | Apr 23 22:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Is Taking Over Linux 3.13 Kernel Maintenance | Tux Machines | Apr 23 22:39 | |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 23 22:42 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Raspberry Pi-like boardset packs quad-core | Apr 24 00:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | i.MX6 http://t.co/NSOAcMOrPp | Apr 24 00:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Raspberry Pi-like boardset packs quad-core i.MX6 | Tux Machines | Apr 24 00:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD Catalyst 14.4 Brings Few Linux Performance | Apr 24 00:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Improvements http://t.co/cp0wxeAgWe | Apr 24 00:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD Catalyst 14.4 Brings Few Linux Performance Improvements | Tux Machines | Apr 24 00:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Opera for Linux Is Still a No-Show | Apr 24 00:24 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/tv8E7RqDdm | Apr 24 00:24 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Opera for Linux Is Still a No-Show | Tux Machines | Apr 24 00:24 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Band releases album as Linux kernel module | Apr 24 02:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/a8J5oTUCge | Apr 24 02:27 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Band releases album as Linux kernel module | Tux Machines | Apr 24 02:27 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Reading Into the Red Hat CentOS Deal | Apr 24 02:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/yStULj4hqm | Apr 24 02:27 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5nlc | Apr 24 02:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Reading Into the Red Hat CentOS Deal | Tux Machines | Apr 24 02:27 | |
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| cubezzz | man, I'm not getting any help at all | Apr 24 04:44 |
| cubezzz | the docs for the frame buffer are really out of date | Apr 24 04:44 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Hackable media-streaming speaker does HiFi with | Apr 24 08:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | tubes http://t.co/hHxnlRYjvH | Apr 24 08:22 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Hackable media-streaming speaker does HiFi with tubes | Tux Machines | Apr 24 08:22 | |
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| msb__ | Wow, tubes! 12AU7 http://linuxgizmos.com/hackable-wireless-speaker-goes-hifi-with-analog-tubes/ | Apr 24 09:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Hackable media-streaming speaker does HiFi with tubes · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/h5rqb ] | Apr 24 09:16 | |
| MinceR | the internet is a series of tubes. | Apr 24 09:18 |
| MinceR | geekings | Apr 24 09:18 |
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| msb__ | That's great to know! | Apr 24 09:18 |
| msb__ | But that stereo amplifier/speaker seems designed for hi-fi crazies who think they can tell the difference when they use unalloyed-copper speaker wires (or is it silver or gold, I forget). | Apr 24 09:20 |
| msb__ | The thing costs $649, but I'll bet you can get an equally good-sounding one for $100 or so. How much stereo separation can you hear with the speakers right next to each other like that, unless it's a foot from your face. And why does anybody need a Raspberry-Pi computer inside their stereo anyhow. | Apr 24 09:22 |
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| MinceR | transistors are goo enough for me | Apr 24 09:23 |
| MinceR | s/oo/ood/ | Apr 24 09:23 |
| msb__ | Yes, with the right circuitry so they don't hard-clip they should be perfect. Certainly very low noise IC amp chips are available, and cheap. | Apr 24 09:24 |
| msb__ | I thought for hi-fi (that's what we used to call it), it was the output amplifier that used tubes for a more organic sound. | Apr 24 09:26 |
| MinceR | sound cannot be organic, as it contains no carbon. :> | Apr 24 09:26 |
| msb__ | Good sound makes the dark carbon in neighboring hyperspace vibrate. | Apr 24 09:28 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 24 09:29 |
| msb__ | And if there are people listening, they exhale CO2, thus confirming, in a sense, the principle of "If a tree fell in the forest but nobody was there to hear it, does it make a sound?" Well it makes a nicer sound. | Apr 24 09:30 |
| msb__ | Unless there were birds living in it. | Apr 24 09:31 |
| msb__ | Science is complicated! | Apr 24 09:31 |
| msb__ | Hippie science even more so. | Apr 24 09:32 |
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| Sosumi | http://pando.com/2014/04/23/the-revolving-door-between-google-and-the-department-of-defense/ | Apr 24 10:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pando.com | The revolving door between Google and the Department of Defense | PandoDaily [ http://ur1.ca/h5s5n ] | Apr 24 10:16 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Black Lab Linux 5.0.1 Enterprise Released | Apr 24 11:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/P3iFWXnVfD | Apr 24 11:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5slc | Apr 24 11:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel Song, Think Before Switching, and | Apr 24 11:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | RH RC Ready http://t.co/eA8E0f983v | Apr 24 11:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5sld | Apr 24 11:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Black Lab Linux 5.0.1 Enterprise Released | Tux Machines | Apr 24 11:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines PC-BSD Is Developing Its Own Desktop | Apr 24 11:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Environment http://t.co/K5z2BKEDwU | Apr 24 11:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel Song, Think Before Switching, and RH RC Ready | Tux Machines | Apr 24 11:09 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5sle | Apr 24 11:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PC-BSD Is Developing Its Own Desktop Environment | Tux Machines | Apr 24 11:09 | |
| msb__ | Sosumi: That article about Google and the Department of Death is very informative. Thanks! | Apr 24 11:20 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/23/apple-ios-osx-security-fix-criticism/ | Apr 24 12:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macrumors.com | Apple Leaves Users Vulnerable By Not Fixing iOS and OS X Security Issues Simultaneously - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/h5tfb ] | Apr 24 12:27 | |
| Sosumi | crapple always being slow | Apr 24 12:28 |
| msb__ | Sosumi: I just watched the Ghost in the Shell movie. Very artistic, and much more Japanese than the SAC series. | Apr 24 12:30 |
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| msb__ | Sosumi: Now I have _Innocence_ ready to go. After I've merged with it, I may not be the same msb__ that you've known... | Apr 24 13:05 |
| msb__ | The Net is vast and infinite. | Apr 24 13:06 |
| msb__ | Your effort to remain what you are is what limits you. | Apr 24 13:13 |
| Sosumi | now go watch patlabor | Apr 24 13:41 |
| Sosumi | the 1st and 2nd movie | Apr 24 13:42 |
| Sosumi | made by the same guy | Apr 24 13:42 |
| Sosumi | and after that, avalon and jin roh | Apr 24 13:42 |
| msb__ | Sosumi: Thanks! From your name it's clear you are Japanese. I'm glad you know about these things. | Apr 24 14:15 |
| Sosumi | no I'm not | Apr 24 14:15 |
| Sosumi | not even by a small amount | Apr 24 14:16 |
| msb__ | Then at least you have the Japanese quality of Sensayuma. | Apr 24 14:17 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 24 14:18 |
| Sosumi | no idea of what that means | Apr 24 14:37 |
| MinceR | sense of humor | Apr 24 14:38 |
| MinceR | not very japanese, apparently | Apr 24 14:38 |
| Sosumi | well I said I wasn't japanese, not even in the remotest sense | Apr 24 14:39 |
| MinceR | i mean, the word looks like 'sense o' humo'" | Apr 24 14:42 |
| MinceR | s/'/"/ | Apr 24 14:42 |
| Sosumi | I got it now | Apr 24 14:43 |
| Sosumi | sense of yuma as a "kewl" way of saying sense of humort | Apr 24 14:43 |
| Sosumi | *humor | Apr 24 14:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines China developing Linux-based OS after Windows | Apr 24 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | XP shutdown http://t.co/LdYRKKNP1Q | Apr 24 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5uju | Apr 24 14:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | China developing Linux-based OS after Windows XP shutdown | Tux Machines | Apr 24 14:51 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines US government accelerating development and | Apr 24 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | release of open source http://t.co/9CxVKNUwhj | Apr 24 14:51 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5ujv | Apr 24 14:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | US government accelerating development and release of open source | Tux Machines | Apr 24 14:51 | |
| MinceR | red flag isn't good enough anymore? | Apr 24 14:52 |
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| msb__ | Here's my favorite bit of Inuyasha -- an anime' very different from Ghost in the Shell -- which I patched together from two videos on Youtube: http://cosmicpenguin.com/rats/inuyasha--episode-26-Midoriko.avi | Apr 24 15:20 |
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| msb__ | It plays on mplayer, at least. | Apr 24 15:21 |
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| MinceR | http://sortofscientifictheories.tumblr.com/post/40481254276/why-you-should-not-clean-your-room | Apr 24 16:01 |
| DaemonFC | Errr, relationship issues..... | Apr 24 16:03 |
| DaemonFC | It would have been easier to kill the SOB and hide the body than it is to call Sprint and get my damned phone working again. LOL | Apr 24 16:03 |
| Sosumi | it is much easier to hide the body if you incinerate it | Apr 24 16:04 |
| Sosumi | but you'd need a furnace for that | Apr 24 16:04 |
| MinceR | some people mention the lye method also | Apr 24 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | I'll just go all Walter White on him and dissolve it in acid.... | Apr 24 16:06 |
| Sosumi | taht too | Apr 24 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | And nothing of value was lost that day... | Apr 24 16:06 |
| Sosumi | actually how could have I forgotten the acid method :( | Apr 24 16:06 |
| Sosumi | I guess I'm kind of a pyro anyways | Apr 24 16:07 |
| *Sosumi goes grab the flamethrower | Apr 24 16:07 | |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 24 16:07 |
| Sosumi | so how do you want them? | Apr 24 16:07 |
| Sosumi | EXTRA CRISPY! | Apr 24 16:07 |
| DaemonFC | I tried to change my phone number using the procedure on www.sprint.com | Apr 24 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | It said change number, reboot phone. | Apr 24 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | I spent 3 hours on the customer service line. At one point, they even factory wiped the phone. | Apr 24 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | I couldn't make voice calls. | Apr 24 16:09 |
| DaemonFC | Then I called another guy this morning and he said "Oh, I see the problem. You had Google Voice on your last number, and our server integration wasn't reset. The last person you spoke with should have seen that right away!" | Apr 24 16:10 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Audacious 3.5 Gets Tens New Features, | Apr 24 18:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Screenshots, Ubuntu PPA Installation | Apr 24 18:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/2hF9gJZ7zm | Apr 24 18:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5w2e | Apr 24 18:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Acer turns a corner with another big contract | Apr 24 18:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | win in 2014 http://t.co/G6VSrccVfa | Apr 24 18:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5w2f | Apr 24 18:19 |
| cubezzz | mangaged to fix the alignment problem switching from text console to X | Apr 24 18:24 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.0 RC Benchmarks | Apr 24 19:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/24irOnmGc4 | Apr 24 19:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5wmj | Apr 24 19:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Amazon Web Services, Cisco, Dell, Facebook, | Apr 24 19:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Fujitsu, Google, IBM, Intel, Microsoft, NetApp, | Apr 24 19:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Rackspace, VMware ... http://t.co/7LoSfanIlm | Apr 24 19:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5wml | Apr 24 19:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Designing a Prize for Usable Cryptography | Apr 24 19:09 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/nn0NP6jkcl | Apr 24 19:09 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3971992 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3971533 | Apr 24 20:28 |
| schestowitz__ | "I'm running it on my server. Coincidentally I'm sure, there's been a thread on the Fedora user ranting about how much trouble people have had with breakage on Fedora with updates. I'm not sure what to do about that. I'm discovering I'm having to take down XMPP (which I don't use much anyway) but otherwise, things are running much better than they were under CentOS." | Apr 24 20:29 |
| schestowitz__ | "Hmm, interresting, David. Are you generally more into RPM-based distros? have you tried other, non-RPM distros? if so, then what do you think about them?" | Apr 24 20:29 |
| cubezzz | fedora was OK up to fedora 14 | Apr 24 20:46 |
| cubezzz | after that it diverged too far from the original fc1 | Apr 24 20:46 |
| cubezzz | so if you were running 'old' stuff, e.g. openmotif based it had strange problems | Apr 24 20:47 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 21 To Get A Playground, New Features | Apr 24 20:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/tXBJQA5cHW | Apr 24 20:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5xu1 | Apr 24 20:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HP 255 G1 Laptop with Ubuntu Product | Apr 24 20:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Description http://t.co/fZxQfAqmNs | Apr 24 20:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5xu2 | Apr 24 20:50 |
| schestowitz__ | >>> http://www.infoworld.com/d/microsoft-windows/you-want-replace-windows-xp-linux-seriously-240986 | Apr 24 21:13 |
| schestowitz__ | >>> | Apr 24 21:13 |
| schestowitz__ | >>> You've seen that one already. | Apr 24 21:13 |
| schestowitz__ | >> | Apr 24 21:13 |
| schestowitz__ | >> I linked only to a response. It's tired old FUD (always guaranteed to | Apr 24 21:13 |
| schestowitz__ | >> get lots of it) and I don't need to feed it. If it was de Icaza, I would... | Apr 24 21:13 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Apr 24 21:13 |
| schestowitz__ | > It's better that way. The response is what needs highlighting since M$ | Apr 24 21:13 |
| schestowitz__ | > will be spamming the new sites with the other stuff. | Apr 24 21:13 |
| schestowitz__ | The comments should go under the response, helping to debunk the FUD under a suitable prelude. It also rewards the debunker. | Apr 24 21:13 |
| cubezzz | ah, I don't care what infoworld says | Apr 24 21:15 |
| cubezzz | I'm not even going to read it | Apr 24 21:15 |
| cubezzz | spammy sites, heavy on javascript | Apr 24 21:17 |
| schestowitz__ | and spies on users now with twitter,FB, Google... | Apr 24 21:35 |
| schestowitz__ | "interactive" buttons on all pages | Apr 24 21:35 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3978790 | Apr 24 22:17 |
| schestowitz__ | "My 68 years old mom is using ubuntu. And with my support, i've seen 6 others change to linux over the last 2 years. And most of them use it for work on a daily basis. All of them are happy about the change and consider it to be faster and crashing less than windows. And based on my experience helping my friends, I second everything @Theaitetos said." | Apr 24 22:17 |
| schestowitz__ | "Smart Company is not so smart if they have to ask this question. Android demonstrated the answer years ago for people who had not bothered to move their desktop 15 years ago. GNU/Linux has been ready for most users for more almost 20 years." | Apr 24 22:17 |
| _Goblin | . | Apr 24 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 24 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | My mother is 73. But she's stubborn. And like I say, she always has an excuse. | Apr 24 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | The latest is, she doesn't keep her documents in any kind of sensible order. (Creating folders is *just* *too* *hard* I guess.) So when she attaches one to an email, she wants to look at the attachment from within the email program to make sure she attached the right document. Apparently Windows lets her do this. | Apr 24 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | But it really doesn't matter. Even if this were fixed, she'd find another excuse. She really would. | Apr 24 22:18 |
| cubezzz | agreed, since 1994 it's been viable | Apr 24 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 24 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | _Goblin: hey | Apr 24 22:18 |
| _Goblin | :) | Apr 24 22:18 |
| _Goblin | hi....before you notice....yes I'm using iRSSI | Apr 24 22:18 |
| _Goblin | I'm not feeling l33t btw | Apr 24 22:18 |
| _Goblin | its awful | Apr 24 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3978630 | Apr 24 22:19 |
| schestowitz__ | "That's kind of a simplification. ARM may be unfriendly to M$ but much of the firmware and drivers in the ARM ecosystem are closed sourced binary blobs. This is why you can't simply download any GNU+Linux distto and install it on the average ARM Chromebook or tablet." | Apr 24 22:19 |
| _Goblin | It's akin to trying to eat soup with a fork | Apr 24 22:19 |
| schestowitz__ | naa | Apr 24 22:20 |
| schestowitz__ | it's not for your needs | Apr 24 22:20 |
| _Goblin | I can't really see who's needs it fits... | Apr 24 22:20 |
| _Goblin | I used it years ago and now I wonder why? | Apr 24 22:20 |
| _Goblin | I've read the man pages/docs in respect of it offering something new....it doesn't/ | Apr 24 22:21 |
| _Goblin | so its an IRC client that makes things difficult from the outset and offers nothing over any of the more easy to use ones. | Apr 24 22:21 |
| cubezzz | does irssi work with gpm? | Apr 24 22:22 |
| _Goblin | it certainly looks l33t though....terminal fonts/// | Apr 24 22:22 |
| cubezzz | that might make things easier | Apr 24 22:22 |
| _Goblin | It might be easier if you could access its features without a long winded command or editing a cfg file | Apr 24 22:22 |
| _Goblin | I feel like I've typed a novel already just getting it set to what I wanted. | Apr 24 22:23 |
| cubezzz | "it was a dark and stormy night..." | Apr 24 22:23 |
| cubezzz | :) | Apr 24 22:23 |
| _Goblin | "In a distant and second hand set of dimensions, in an astral plane that was never meant to fly" | Apr 24 22:24 |
| _Goblin | BTW the closest to "it was a dark and stormy night" I've read in a book was a Raymond E Feist novel called Magician...that starts on a dark and stormy night...of sorts. | Apr 24 22:24 |
| cubezzz | I'm still studying the frame buffer | Apr 24 22:25 |
| _Goblin | Irssi - for those who miss MUD but feel they are too old for roleplay. | Apr 24 22:25 |
| abeNd-org | L.O.R.D.! | Apr 24 22:25 |
| cubezzz | X really didn't kick in until the late 80's | Apr 24 22:25 |
| cubezzz | _Goblin, you might like naim better for text only ircing | Apr 24 22:26 |
| _Goblin | but I have strange needs of an IRC client... | Apr 24 22:26 |
| _Goblin | I want to use it to er....chat.... | Apr 24 22:26 |
| MinceR | irssi is great | Apr 24 22:27 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 24 22:27 |
| _Goblin | not to make my first conversations a list of commands to the software. | Apr 24 22:27 |
| cubezzz | at least use ncurses :) | Apr 24 22:27 |
| MinceR | smart command line, good scriptability, good script management, lots of features | Apr 24 22:27 |
| _Goblin | I can do that with Xchat. | Apr 24 22:27 |
| _Goblin | and before that years ago on mIRC | Apr 24 22:28 |
| cubezzz | ugh, the dark era | Apr 24 22:28 |
| MinceR | mirc has none of those things | Apr 24 22:28 |
| _Goblin | Scripting? | Apr 24 22:28 |
| MinceR | afaik its scripts are still monolithic | Apr 24 22:28 |
| MinceR | and they use a stupid language | Apr 24 22:28 |
| cubezzz | "it was a dark and stormy era. There were windows users as far as the eye could see..." | Apr 24 22:28 |
| _Goblin | I ran a fileserver for years with script on mIRC | Apr 24 22:28 |
| _Goblin | I didn't find it stupid.... | Apr 24 22:28 |
| MinceR | and i wrote a script to add a lot of features to mirc | Apr 24 22:29 |
| MinceR | only to discover that most clients came with those features built in | Apr 24 22:29 |
| cubezzz | hold on just a sec, what about unicode support? | Apr 24 22:29 |
| MinceR | irssi has that | Apr 24 22:29 |
| MinceR | also recoding with fallback | Apr 24 22:29 |
| _Goblin | but really? this is a chat client.... | Apr 24 22:29 |
| _Goblin | to er ....chat. | Apr 24 22:29 |
| MinceR | yes, and? | Apr 24 22:30 |
| _Goblin | Are you running IRSSI? | Apr 24 22:30 |
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| MinceR | i am | Apr 24 22:30 |
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| MinceR | i might switch to weechat though :) | Apr 24 22:30 |
| _Goblin | and what do you use it for that you can't do with xchat> | Apr 24 22:30 |
| cubezzz | ＹＥＳ ＲＥＡＬＬＹ | Apr 24 22:31 |
| MinceR | i run it in screen and access it via ssh | Apr 24 22:31 |
| _Goblin | for example... | Apr 24 22:31 |
| MinceR | for example | Apr 24 22:31 |
| MinceR | i also get true transparency via the terminal emulator | Apr 24 22:31 |
| _Goblin | thats a fair comment. | Apr 24 22:31 |
| _Goblin | but for ease of use and afterall this is chat we are talking about, is Irssi or any other similar really needed or is it a part of history lost in the annals of new ways of working? | Apr 24 22:32 |
| MinceR | dunno | Apr 24 22:32 |
| MinceR | it probably depends on what features you require | Apr 24 22:33 |
| _Goblin | Its like the people who argue Usenet is still viable... | Apr 24 22:33 |
| _Goblin | its not. | Apr 24 22:33 |
| _Goblin | its dead except for the binaries and moody copies of films. | Apr 24 22:33 |
| cubezzz | there's still google groups, and yeah I still use that | Apr 24 22:33 |
| cubezzz | e.g. I read comp.lang.apl | Apr 24 22:33 |
| _Goblin | yeah, I've been using that recently...it miffed many people as ggroups stuffs up threads. | Apr 24 22:34 |
| _Goblin | ive a tigerusenet account, but I've not got around to setting it up on this new(ish) isntall | Apr 24 22:34 |
| _Goblin | *instal | Apr 24 22:34 |
| _Goblin | *l | Apr 24 22:34 |
| cubezzz | heck, fidonet is still active | Apr 24 22:34 |
| cubezzz | there's lots of interest in classic computing | Apr 24 22:35 |
| _Goblin | yeah...there's active and then there's just "being used" | Apr 24 22:35 |
| _Goblin | the bbs in an incarnation is still running | Apr 24 22:35 |
| _Goblin | but thats not to say you want it to be your repository of news/info | Apr 24 22:35 |
| cubezzz | some people even like the isolation that a BBS provides | Apr 24 22:35 |
| cubezzz | your own small group | Apr 24 22:36 |
| _Goblin | some people have a balloon fetish, but thats not to say its the norm. | Apr 24 22:36 |
| _Goblin | I met someone who claimed Jesus was being held at Area 51...there's a few of those..... | Apr 24 22:37 |
| MinceR | :D | Apr 24 22:37 |
| _Goblin | I can accept your liking of irssi.... | Apr 24 22:37 |
| _Goblin | I cannot understand nor accept a balloon fetish...never been able to get my head around that. | Apr 24 22:37 |
| MinceR | what's a balloon fetish? | Apr 24 22:37 |
| _Goblin | and I'm frightened of them. | Apr 24 22:37 |
| _Goblin | its er people who get er.... | Apr 24 22:38 |
| _Goblin | excited over balloons. | Apr 24 22:38 |
| cubezzz | most people use windows, you could even say using windows is the 'norm' | Apr 24 22:38 |
| _Goblin | yep. sadly it is. | Apr 24 22:38 |
| cubezzz | that doesn't mean you can't use other operating systems | Apr 24 22:39 |
| cubezzz | or irc clients :) | Apr 24 22:39 |
| _Goblin | any behaviour which can be attributed to a majority is classed as the "norm" | Apr 24 22:39 |
| MinceR | well, there's a window on the wall of my room | Apr 24 22:39 |
| MinceR | "i hate windows. i have shutters everywhere in my house." | Apr 24 22:39 |
| cubezzz | group-think is bad | Apr 24 22:40 |
| _Goblin | not always | Apr 24 22:40 |
| _Goblin | group think told ancient man to be frightened of aggressive animals with sharp teeth | Apr 24 22:40 |
| _Goblin | you didn't get a small group breaking away and trying to hug these animals. | Apr 24 22:40 |
| _Goblin | or if you did, they ended up as dinner. | Apr 24 22:41 |
| cubezzz | "all the cool kids wear nikes" | Apr 24 22:41 |
| _Goblin | thats the power of advertising, to tap into the human instinct to group think. | Apr 24 22:41 |
| cubezzz | "all the cool kids own iphones" | Apr 24 22:42 |
| _Goblin | do they? | Apr 24 22:42 |
| _Goblin | I'll make a note of that. | Apr 24 22:42 |
| _Goblin | Talking of cool kids.... | Apr 24 22:43 |
| _Goblin | Sports Yapper....sign up...its like Twitter but for sport....all the cool kids use that. | Apr 24 22:43 |
| _Goblin | and I have to say I love it... | Apr 24 22:43 |
| _Goblin | ...right...this is awful...I'm going back to xchat...fed up... | Apr 24 22:44 |
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| _Goblin | thats better... | Apr 24 22:45 |
| _Goblin | I don't feel like I'm in an 80's hacking movie anymore. | Apr 24 22:46 |
| _Goblin | tried out the latest Mame binary today....fantastic piece of work.... | Apr 24 22:47 |
| _Goblin | (collaborative work) | Apr 24 22:47 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 24 22:47 |
| _Goblin | gn. | Apr 24 22:49 |
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| msb__ | I was very grateful for irssi once. I was installing a Linux upgrade and having problems with X. I was getting help from the folks in #suse, but I couldn't restart X. So I came in using irssi in a text console. It only took a minute or two to get it running and get in. | Apr 25 00:18 |
| _Goblin | thats a fair reason too, can't argue with that. Personally if my machine was having such issues, most of the stuff I do would not be done without X....the idea to come into IRC would be last on my priorities....But I do however concede the point. | Apr 25 00:21 |
| cubezzz | funky, I can change console fonts on the fly | Apr 25 00:23 |
| cubezzz | smaller font == more lines at the same resolution :) | Apr 25 00:24 |
| _Goblin | Windlings....or something.....that was a cool font...... | Apr 25 00:25 |
| _Goblin | or rather not so much a font, a collection of symbols... | Apr 25 00:26 |
| cubezzz | I usually have at least 3 computers right next to me | Apr 25 00:27 |
| cubezzz | one computer is for experimenting | Apr 25 00:27 |
| cubezzz | one is a server, no experimenting on that one | Apr 25 00:27 |
| cubezzz | so I always have an X session at hand | Apr 25 00:28 |
| _Goblin | I'm still loving Peppermint 4....... | Apr 25 00:28 |
| cubezzz | and there's dozens and dozens of console fonts | Apr 25 00:29 |
| _Goblin | cubezzz, can't say I've ever had the need or desire to change em. | Apr 25 00:29 |
| _Goblin | mind you, whilst I like a good GUI, there's one thing I love..... | Apr 25 00:30 |
| _Goblin | the CAT command.... | Apr 25 00:30 |
| _Goblin | its probably the most damn handy command I've ever used. | Apr 25 00:30 |
| cubezzz | also one of the oldest unix commands | Apr 25 00:32 |
| cubezzz | _Goblin, some Russian dude might want a Cyrillic font | Apr 25 00:50 |
| _Goblin | Maybe..... | Apr 25 00:50 |
| _Goblin | And if we are able to clone a Pharaoh from DNA found in a pyramid they may want a hieroglyphics font.... I personally don't need them though and I'd suggest the vast majority of users don't either. When I'm installing/introducing Linux to a new user, terminal font's are not one of my "selling points." | Apr 25 00:52 |
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| _Goblin | but then its horses for courses..... | Apr 25 00:53 |
| _Goblin | I think the issue I have (and discounting the need some may have for irssi or terminal etc) is that many people merely use them to look l33t and when you challenge them as to why they use them, it transpires that its because it makes them feel more the expert by being able to still use their machine whilst making life more difficult. | Apr 25 00:55 |
| cubezzz | no, I wanted to understand the frame buffer | Apr 25 00:55 |
| _Goblin | I'm not referring to you. | Apr 25 00:55 |
| _Goblin | there is, I expect many legit needs of these "l33t" packages and the needs of the terminal, but as I say, I think many use to be leet. | Apr 25 00:56 |
| _Goblin | That is why I'm so interested about the genuine advantages people find in these things. | Apr 25 00:56 |
| _Goblin | like irssi earlier. | Apr 25 00:56 |
| _Goblin | and I can't believe nobody commented on what I thought was a great analogy to irssi..... | Apr 25 00:58 |
| _Goblin | "Irssi is like MUD for those who feel they are too old to roleplay" | Apr 25 00:58 |
| _Goblin | I'm going to tweet that. | Apr 25 00:58 |
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| cubezzz | personally I agree with you about irssi | Apr 25 01:05 |
| cubezzz | some things work much better with mouse+keyboard | Apr 25 01:07 |
| cubezzz | seldom used options in a GUI so you don't forget everything | Apr 25 01:09 |
| cubezzz | I tried rat poison once as a window manager... | Apr 25 01:11 |
| cubezzz | interesting idea, but I just didn't find it intuitive at all | Apr 25 01:11 |
| msb__ | When I used irssi during the Linux upgrade, X was working ok thru most of it, so I was getting advice using konversation. But then when I changed something involving | Apr 25 01:31 |
| msb__ | ...X, I had to go to the text console and back to X, but I couldn't. That's when I used irssi. | Apr 25 01:32 |
| cubezzz | yeah I'm in a room full of computers so I would just hop over to another computer in that case | Apr 25 01:35 |
| msb__ | That's great! I've only ever had one at a time. | Apr 25 01:36 |
| cubezzz | I can't really imagine not doing it | Apr 25 01:36 |
| cubezzz | that way IRC is always full screen and I can do research, or compile stuff on another display | Apr 25 01:37 |
| msb__ | I just use 20 virtual desktops on the one machine. | Apr 25 01:38 |
| cubezzz | I'm not one of those "matrix" guys with a 6 headed display though :) | Apr 25 01:38 |
| cubezzz | separate UPS's for each computer | Apr 25 01:38 |
| cubezzz | see, if I'm mucking around with the framebuffer or changing video driver's... it's just better to have one box that is untouched so to speak | Apr 25 01:40 |
| msb__ | That triple-header machine in the picture you showed a couple of days ago is very nice. | Apr 25 01:40 |
| msb__ | Makes total sense. | Apr 25 01:40 |
| msb__ | Mostly I just find something that works and leave it. | Apr 25 01:41 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/xmonad-tripleheader.jpg | Apr 25 01:41 |
| msb__ | That's the one. | Apr 25 01:42 |
| cubezzz | I'd rather just have three computers | Apr 25 01:43 |
| msb__ | I just have the one 27 inch display. I even gave away the last one to a neighbor. If this one quits I'd have to buy another, or at least a small one for $100 from Frys. | Apr 25 01:44 |
| msb__ | I might have an old CRT in a back room, but I don't remember if it works. | Apr 25 01:47 |
| cubezzz | yup, the CRT era is definitely over | Apr 25 01:48 |
| cubezzz | not unless you can fix old monitors | Apr 25 01:48 |
| msb__ | Man those things were heavy! | Apr 25 01:48 |
| msb__ | I used to fix TVs. But you need a schematic and a scope. | Apr 25 01:49 |
| cubezzz | indeed, some of the old tvs were super heavy | Apr 25 01:49 |
| cubezzz | some were over 500 pounds | Apr 25 01:49 |
| cubezzz | CRTs scared me a bit though, I was never comfortable with the case open | Apr 25 01:50 |
| msb__ | Big screen --> big vacuum --> thick walls on the bottle. | Apr 25 01:51 |
| msb__ | Keeping one hand in a pocket helps. Also grounding the 25KV anode through a resistor. | Apr 25 01:52 |
| msb__ | The thing is a big Leyden jar. It can whack you. | Apr 25 01:53 |
| cubezzz | speaking from experience? :) | Apr 25 01:53 |
| msb__ | Fortunately not. | Apr 25 01:53 |
| msb__ | I did get my hand across a 4KV capacitor once. Smelled like burned chicken. | Apr 25 01:54 |
| cubezzz | I've had some CRTs last over 30 years, it will be interesting to see how long my LCD's last | Apr 25 01:54 |
| cubezzz | yikes | Apr 25 01:54 |
| msb__ | Just the one hand. Where it gets you is if it goes through the chest and hits the heart. | Apr 25 01:55 |
| msb__ | Hence the one hand in a pocket. | Apr 25 01:56 |
| msb__ | But with a CRT, you just connect one end of a known-tested-good cliplead with a resistor to the chassis, and the other to a screwdriver with a long plastic handle, and dig the blade under the rubber boot to the second-anode connection. | Apr 25 01:59 |
| msb__ | That only requires one hand. 8^) | Apr 25 02:00 |
| msb__ | Of course you unplug the thing from the wall first. | Apr 25 02:00 |
| msb__ | You're more likely to injure your back lifting it! | Apr 25 02:01 |
| msb__ | I made a 10X probe for my VTVM out of a plexiglas tube and a string of 10meg resistors. So I could check the second anode with that. I could even measure the voltage while it was running. | Apr 25 02:03 |
| msb__ | Maybe it was 20X, I forget now. | Apr 25 02:04 |
| msb__ | The Franklin Institute had a Marx generator with big capacitors that charged in parallel and discharged in series, creating a lightning bolt. Very loud! | Apr 25 02:06 |
| cubezzz | ever play around with a jacob's ladder? | Apr 25 02:06 |
| msb__ | Yep. I still have the neon sign transformer. | Apr 25 02:07 |
| cubezzz | I always wondered what those things were for :) | Apr 25 02:07 |
| cubezzz | aside from looking cool in movies | Apr 25 02:07 |
| msb__ | Yeah, other than bringing monsters to life I can't think of anything. | Apr 25 02:08 |
| cubezzz | neon signs have pretty much disappeared haven't they? | Apr 25 02:08 |
| msb__ | It's alive! It's alive! | Apr 25 02:08 |
| msb__ | I guess so. There are fake neon signs using LEDs now. | Apr 25 02:09 |
| cubezzz | well, I'm not that old but I do collect photographs of Toronto | Apr 25 02:09 |
| cubezzz | it seems that in the 60s to 70s most of the neon stuff disappeared | Apr 25 02:10 |
| msb__ | I'll bet there's at least one left in Greater Metropolitan Downtown Mountain View here -- all 4 blocks of it. Chinese restaurants often had them, maybe still. | Apr 25 02:11 |
| cubezzz | this one's a pretty good example of the era: | Apr 25 02:13 |
| msb__ | I have two refrigerator pumps that I used to connect in series and made a good enough vacuum that I could get a glow discharge. | Apr 25 02:13 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/a-and-a-sams-edison-hotel.jpg | Apr 25 02:13 |
| msb__ | Very nice! | Apr 25 02:14 |
| cubezzz | ah, it's kind of a pity, the edison hotel is no more | Apr 25 02:15 |
| cubezzz | much older shot, maybe 1950s, around that era: | Apr 25 02:19 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/edison-hotel-much-older.jpg | Apr 25 02:19 |
| msb__ | Is that a transmitter mast on its roof, or is it farther back? | Apr 25 02:20 |
| msb__ | Anyhow it looks like a medieval castle. | Apr 25 02:21 |
| cubezzz | it's pretty old | Apr 25 02:21 |
| cubezzz | built in 1888, originall called the Empress Hotel | Apr 25 02:22 |
| msb__ | I like that name better. Edison was a jerk. | Apr 25 02:23 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/edison-hotel-ancient.jpg | Apr 25 02:23 |
| cubezzz | I think that's the oldest picture | Apr 25 02:23 |
| cubezzz | yeah, if you look closely you can see "Empress Hotel" | Apr 25 02:24 |
| cubezzz | oh and it's on the top part too | Apr 25 02:26 |
| msb__ | Yes, I can see both. I wonder if the top one was ever a neon sign. | Apr 25 02:26 |
| msb__ | It's a beautiful old building. A shame it's gone. | Apr 25 02:27 |
| cubezzz | it wasn't at the top, but it did have a trapezoidal neon sign facing north | Apr 25 02:29 |
| msb__ | Things change. Mostly to make money. But here in GNU/Linux/FOSS-Land, it's for love! | Apr 25 02:29 |
| cubezzz | I get paid for linux jobs :) | Apr 25 02:29 |
| msb__ | Very good! | Apr 25 02:30 |
| cubezzz | yeah, it's a bit more common now | Apr 25 02:30 |
| msb__ | So did you ever make a Tesla coil? I kept thinking about it but never did. However, I did have a Model-T ignition coil. | Apr 25 02:34 |
| msb__ | Also kept scoping out round metal things to use as the terminal of a Van de Graaff. | Apr 25 02:36 |
| cubelog | no, never | Apr 25 02:40 |
| cubelog | had to change computers | Apr 25 02:40 |
| msb__ | I had a tunnel diode and made some kind of circuit with it -- a VHF transmitter or receiver, maybe both at once. 8^ | Apr 25 02:40 |
| msb__ | I would override the audio when my parents were watching TV (just once or twice). Tapped the phone line too. | Apr 25 02:42 |
| cubelog | I had a pretty nice VHF antenna, I could get Buffalo radio no problem | Apr 25 02:42 |
| cubelog | it got replaced with a new UHF antenna so now it's FM range seems a lot worse | Apr 25 02:43 |
| msb__ | I used to listen to Barry Farber from New York in Philadelphia -- 90 miles. Don't remember if it was AM or FM. | Apr 25 02:44 |
| cubelog | no AM cards for computers, too much interference | Apr 25 02:45 |
| cubelog | eh, almost everyone streams on the net now anyways | Apr 25 02:45 |
| msb__ | If Art Bell were still on the air C2C would be worth listening to. His guests often prophesied terrible natural catastrophes. That never happened. It was fun. | Apr 25 02:49 |
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| amarsh04 | Spot the robot: http://a2.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/c_fill,fl_keep_iptc,g_faces,h_365,w_652/ziln4tfkaqtuu6mipd4n.jpg | Apr 25 06:41 |
| amarsh04 | My picture of Asimo from 2012: http://www.madman.com.au/fanzone/display/68188.img | Apr 25 06:41 |
| MinceR | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-24/obama-signs-law-banning-himself-entering-us | Apr 25 07:20 |
| Sosumi | I'm not sure if I should be laughing my ars off | Apr 25 07:23 |
| Sosumi | or just facepalm myself | Apr 25 07:23 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 25 07:23 |
| Sosumi | ho and today marks the 99th birthday of the armenian genocide | Apr 25 07:25 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Apr 25 09:35 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3979060 | Apr 25 09:37 |
| schestowitz__ | "I'm just guessing the PCWorld story points out that scanning the email is part of Google's business plan. Encryption would defeat this. But I'm just guessing." | Apr 25 09:37 |
| schestowitz__ | IDG likes to prop up Microsoft's "Scroogled" attack ads | Apr 25 09:38 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3979026 | Apr 25 09:39 |
| schestowitz__ | "10+ Icavot | Apr 25 09:39 |
| MinceR | idg serves m$ | Apr 25 09:40 |
| MinceR | always did | Apr 25 09:40 |
| schestowitz__ | IDC paid by Microsoft | Apr 25 09:41 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3979622 | Apr 25 09:49 |
| schestowitz__ | "Wait, is the US not going to Ukraine to fight for the democracy and freedom?" | Apr 25 09:49 |
| MinceR | afaik it's not decided yet | Apr 25 09:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Unlocking Chromebooks will soon get simpler | Apr 25 10:03 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Does Linux Mint exist? http://t.co/gkQCAvBAwE | Apr 25 10:04 |
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| schestowitz__ | LOL http://dailycurrant.com/2014/03/07/ukraine-deploys-gay-men-to-scare-off-russians/ | Apr 25 10:56 |
| schestowitz__ | adding insult to fake injury... http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1398413524344961_animate.gif | Apr 25 10:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Trusty Tahr: More Yawns, More Polish | Apr 25 10:57 |
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| schestowitz__ | http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3l3tcbaaJ1rv7vqco1_500.gif | Apr 25 11:04 |
| MinceR | lol @ dailycurrant | Apr 25 11:26 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/peterfriese/status/459643617683193856 | Apr 25 11:42 |
| schestowitz__ | Microsoft's booster Tony Bradley: http://www.forbes.com/sites/tonybradley/2014/04/24/the-case-for-making-windows-xp-open-source-and-why-its-a-bad-idea/ | Apr 25 11:44 |
| schestowitz__ | Why are they giving MS boosters blogs? | Apr 25 11:44 |
| schestowitz__ | http://www.eetimes.com/messages.asp?piddl_msgthreadid=44816&piddl_msgid=297485 | Apr 25 11:49 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Gnome 3.14 Stable Will Be Released In September | Apr 25 13:36 |
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| msb__ | The Daily Currant is a joke site; its stories are fictional. But gays are one of the groups that Nazis -- like those that have overthrown the elected government of Ukraine with US help -- seek to exterminate, along with Romany, socialists, the elderly, and of course Jews. | Apr 25 14:04 |
| Sosumi | gays, jews and ethnical minorities | Apr 25 14:05 |
| Sosumi | and of course, russians | Apr 25 14:05 |
| Sosumi | because according princess leia | Apr 25 14:06 |
| Sosumi | *cough* yulia tymochenk* | Apr 25 14:06 |
| Sosumi | gotta bomb dam russians | Apr 25 14:06 |
| Sosumi | *according to | Apr 25 14:07 |
| Sosumi | it used to be fun to ridicularize north korean leaders | Apr 25 14:08 |
| Sosumi | but with those ukranian characters things have finally gone into the twilight zone | Apr 25 14:09 |
| msb__ | Nazis consider Russians to be Slavic untermenschen, but the main reason for attacking them is that they were (and to some extent still are) socialist. Hitler's Nazis were paid to exterminate socialists and trade-union organizers -- paid by the ultra-wealthy in the US, and to some extent Germany and England. | Apr 25 14:10 |
| Sosumi | well | Apr 25 14:10 |
| Sosumi | and what are the ukranians? | Apr 25 14:10 |
| Sosumi | other than a mix slavs and polish | Apr 25 14:10 |
| Sosumi | *of | Apr 25 14:10 |
| msb__ | Hitler was not exactly a blond Aryan himself! | Apr 25 14:11 |
| Sosumi | no | Apr 25 14:11 |
| msb__ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis | Apr 25 14:12 |
| Sosumi | and by that demagogy, putin is more aryan than hitler or ratseniuk or princess leya | Apr 25 14:12 |
| Sosumi | did you know yulia tymochenko isn't blond at all? | Apr 25 14:12 |
| MinceR | > its stories are fictional. | Apr 25 14:13 |
| MinceR | http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/666/_57c8a1a431a592af806925e57258202f.png | Apr 25 14:13 |
| Sosumi | she just dyes her air | Apr 25 14:13 |
| Sosumi | *hair | Apr 25 14:13 |
| MinceR | poles are slavs | Apr 25 14:13 |
| Sosumi | and no no | Apr 25 14:13 |
| msb__ | Please don't call her leya. Princess Leia was a wonderful person! | Apr 25 14:13 |
| Sosumi | hitler was put there by london in order to break up the soviet union | Apr 25 14:14 |
| Sosumi | he just turned west before going east | Apr 25 14:14 |
| MinceR | also, russian homophobia is not fictional | Apr 25 14:14 |
| Sosumi | because it was never to their conception that the blochviks thẽy had financed earlier would keep russia intact | Apr 25 14:15 |
| Sosumi | so in russia, they're afraid of men? | Apr 25 14:15 |
| Sosumi | homophobia = fear of men | Apr 25 14:15 |
| msb__ | I don't know why he attacked England, but he certainly invaded Russia and murdered about 20 million people. | Apr 25 14:15 |
| MinceR | possibly | Apr 25 14:15 |
| MinceR | but they're certainly afraid of homosexuals | Apr 25 14:16 |
| msb__ | Putin does seem to have a fear of Pussy. | Apr 25 14:16 |
| MinceR | just like nazis | Apr 25 14:16 |
| MinceR | yeah, that too | Apr 25 14:16 |
| Sosumi | the pussy riot demagogues entered into a church and started trashing the place | Apr 25 14:17 |
| msb__ | Are the Russians anti-gay? That Currant story is a fake, a parody, remember. | Apr 25 14:17 |
| Sosumi | what else would be done but to hold those not band at all idiots for vandalism | Apr 25 14:17 |
| MinceR | i haven't heard of trashing the place | Apr 25 14:18 |
| MinceR | who came up with that? | Apr 25 14:18 |
| Sosumi | ho but I've hears | Apr 25 14:18 |
| MinceR | msb__: remember what they did under the winter olympics. | Apr 25 14:18 |
| msb__ | What? | Apr 25 14:19 |
| Sosumi | what did they do? | Apr 25 14:19 |
| Sosumi | toothpaste bombs? | Apr 25 14:20 |
| MinceR | discriminated against gays, accused them of spreading "gay propaganda" | Apr 25 14:20 |
| MinceR | threatened them | Apr 25 14:20 |
| msb__ | Pussy Riot attacked gays??? | Apr 25 14:20 |
| Sosumi | but where have you heard that? | Apr 25 14:20 |
| Sosumi | BBC? CNN? | Apr 25 14:20 |
| MinceR | msb__: no, the russian government did | Apr 25 14:21 |
| msb__ | Wiki says inside the church, but no mention of trashing. | Apr 25 14:21 |
| MinceR | Sosumi: i can't remember | Apr 25 14:21 |
| MinceR | multiple sources | Apr 25 14:21 |
| Sosumi | http://www.takepart.com/sites/default/files/pussy%20riot.jpeg | Apr 25 14:21 |
| Sosumi | http://www.redletterchristians.org/wp-content/uploads/Pussy-Riot-and-the-Temple-Incident.jpg | Apr 25 14:22 |
| Sosumi | http://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/3/6/6/67663.jpg | Apr 25 14:22 |
| MinceR | i see no "trashing" or "vandalism" here | Apr 25 14:22 |
| Sosumi | looks good to me | Apr 25 14:22 |
| msb__ | The masks are very unattractive. | Apr 25 14:22 |
| MinceR | so's christianity. | Apr 25 14:22 |
| msb__ | True, but PR wears those masks all the time. | Apr 25 14:23 |
| Sosumi | truly, examples of high morals | Apr 25 14:23 |
| MinceR | it's easy to have higher morals than those of abrahamic religions. | Apr 25 14:23 |
| Sosumi | the problem is | Apr 25 14:23 |
| Sosumi | with all religions | Apr 25 14:23 |
| msb__ | Wicca and Buddhism are good. | Apr 25 14:24 |
| Sosumi | there is one religion for the profane aka non initiated into the mysteries | Apr 25 14:24 |
| Sosumi | and another for the initiated | Apr 25 14:24 |
| Sosumi | what you read is nothing but the profane version of religion | Apr 25 14:24 |
| Sosumi | for the stupid | Apr 25 14:24 |
| MinceR | is that like the lower vs higher levels of scientology? | Apr 25 14:24 |
| Sosumi | no idea about scientology | Apr 25 14:25 |
| MinceR | they're pretty explicit about hiding higher-level details of the cult from outsiders and fresh initiates | Apr 25 14:25 |
| MinceR | ("don't read it yet or you will die"/copyright abuse) | Apr 25 14:26 |
| Sosumi | lol | Apr 25 14:26 |
| msb__ | The actual higher level of scientology is just pure racketeering. | Apr 25 14:26 |
| MinceR | most cults are like that, afaict | Apr 25 14:26 |
| Sosumi | forget scientology | Apr 25 14:26 |
| MinceR | "give us more power and money or you're going to hell" | Apr 25 14:26 |
| msb__ | The war with scientology was one of the great battles that took place on the Net. In alt.religion.scientology | Apr 25 14:27 |
| Sosumi | and look at the old cults of which aristotle, plato, cicero, aristophanes, pythagoras used to belong to | Apr 25 14:27 |
| Sosumi | in those cults there was idol worship for the profane | Apr 25 14:27 |
| Sosumi | and the fears of a dark and vindicative god | Apr 25 14:27 |
| Sosumi | while the initiated dedicated themselves to the study of physics, mathematics | Apr 25 14:27 |
| msb__ | Others are the Intel 386 floating-point bug and 9/11. | Apr 25 14:27 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 25 14:28 |
| Sosumi | in truth, there is no god | Apr 25 14:28 |
| Sosumi | only the pursuit of knowledge, virtue and a the amelioration of man's condition here | Apr 25 14:29 |
| msb__ | The fascists/corporatists must sorely regret the introduction of the Internet. The current elimination of Net Neutrality is one way they're fighting back against us. | Apr 25 14:30 |
| MinceR | Sosumi: so, what's the part of abrahamic religions for the initiated? where is it? | Apr 25 14:30 |
| MinceR | msb__: they're "fixing" it already | Apr 25 14:30 |
| MinceR | not just via eliminating Net Neutrality | Apr 25 14:30 |
| Sosumi | in the priesthood | Apr 25 14:30 |
| msb__ | MinceR: How else? | Apr 25 14:31 |
| MinceR | also via national firewalls (and other means of government censorship) and global surveillance | Apr 25 14:31 |
| MinceR | also, harmful laws | Apr 25 14:31 |
| MinceR | Sosumi: is it written down or is it communicated orally? | Apr 25 14:31 |
| MinceR | hm, that's not well-defined enough for the priesthood | Apr 25 14:32 |
| MinceR | i mean, do they just say it to each other? | Apr 25 14:32 |
| Sosumi | they kept it for each other | Apr 25 14:32 |
| MinceR | Sosumi: have you heard what it is? | Apr 25 14:33 |
| Sosumi | and as part of their initiation they were forbidden to spread that knowledge | Apr 25 14:33 |
| MinceR | how do you know it exists? | Apr 25 14:33 |
| msb__ | The Vatican robbed various libraries in the Middle Ages, but I doubt they have much that isn't common knowledge these days. | Apr 25 14:34 |
| Sosumi | why do you think socrates was made to drink the hemlock juice | Apr 25 14:34 |
| MinceR | i don't know, but i'm pretty sure he wasn't an abrahamic priest | Apr 25 14:34 |
| Sosumi | ab-raam | Apr 25 14:34 |
| MinceR | judaism, christianity, islam | Apr 25 14:35 |
| Sosumi | you're just mentioned a religious doctrine that got perfected during the age of the ram | Apr 25 14:35 |
| msb__ | For the same reason truth-tellers get chased out of nine villages. People want to shut up sources that tell them things contrary to their beliefs. It's part of the memetic defense mechanism in dominator culture. | Apr 25 14:36 |
| Sosumi | no idea why the hate | Apr 25 14:36 |
| Sosumi | why not hate its predecessors? | Apr 25 14:36 |
| Sosumi | the cult semiranis and nimrod? | Apr 25 14:37 |
| MinceR | what's the age of the ram? | Apr 25 14:37 |
| Sosumi | isis and osiris? odin and frrea | Apr 25 14:37 |
| Sosumi | the ages are measured in the procession of the equinoxes | Apr 25 14:38 |
| Sosumi | for example, christianity appeared during the age of pices | Apr 25 14:38 |
| Sosumi | that was why yeshua was called the fisherman of man | Apr 25 14:39 |
| Sosumi | now we are under the age of aqurious | Apr 25 14:39 |
| Sosumi | seems to me like someone needs to go study some astronomy | Apr 25 14:39 |
| MinceR | afaik this has nothing to do with astronomy | Apr 25 14:39 |
| Sosumi | ho it has | Apr 25 14:39 |
| msb__ | Hating is a pointless waste of energy. But it's important to spread the truth that the JCI (abrahamic) religions are very harmful to people. They all have a genocidal psychopath god, and are male-supremacist. | Apr 25 14:40 |
| MinceR | astrology is not astronomy | Apr 25 14:40 |
| Sosumi | astrology is again something of the profane | Apr 25 14:40 |
| MinceR | astronomy is not a religion | Apr 25 14:40 |
| msb__ | http://www.evilbible.com/ | Apr 25 14:40 |
| Sosumi | filled with nothing more than mysticism | Apr 25 14:40 |
| Sosumi | but you could explain the cycles through allegories | Apr 25 14:41 |
| Sosumi | and it was to the initiated to understand the true meaning | Apr 25 14:41 |
| Sosumi | aka lifting the veil | Apr 25 14:41 |
| MinceR | if you understand them, you can explain them without allegories | Apr 25 14:41 |
| Sosumi | exactly | Apr 25 14:42 |
| Sosumi | the battle between osiris and typhon was nothing more than cycle between night and day | Apr 25 14:42 |
| Sosumi | the arc of the convenant was nothing more than tracing a line between from where the sun rises to where the sun sets | Apr 25 14:43 |
| MinceR | not ignorant people's feeble attempt to explain why there was a night/day cycle? | Apr 25 14:43 |
| Sosumi | the virgin clothed with the sun | Apr 25 14:43 |
| Sosumi | is nothing more than the sun in the constallation of the virgin | Apr 25 14:43 |
| Sosumi | and so on | Apr 25 14:43 |
| Sosumi | it is all allegories | Apr 25 14:44 |
| Sosumi | hey the 12 apostles | Apr 25 14:44 |
| Sosumi | and yeshua | Apr 25 14:45 |
| Sosumi | nothing more than the 12 months and the sun going through them | Apr 25 14:45 |
| msb__ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjxSCAalsBE | Apr 25 14:47 |
| Sosumi | so it is much better to cast away the superstition and mysticism of whatever religion away | Apr 25 14:47 |
| *MinceR wonders what the bots are doing | Apr 25 14:47 | |
| msb__ | Bilkbot: The 5th Dimension Age of Aquarius 1969 | Apr 25 14:47 |
| MinceR | :D | Apr 25 14:48 |
| Sosumi | including the mocking of it, because it is a waste of time and instead you should pity the poor fools for not knowing better | Apr 25 14:48 |
| MinceR | i pity da foo | Apr 25 14:48 |
| msb__ | One of the great songs of the '60s Renaissance! | Apr 25 14:49 |
| Sosumi | I doubt it beat Tchaikovsky's 4th symphony | Apr 25 14:49 |
| Sosumi | which is also my favourite song | Apr 25 14:50 |
| msb__ | Competition among various good things is silly. There is an infinite variety. | Apr 25 14:52 |
| Sosumi | actually | Apr 25 14:52 |
| Sosumi | not according to Rockafeller | Apr 25 14:52 |
| Sosumi | :) | Apr 25 14:52 |
| msb__ | Psychic phenomena have been proven to exist, so it's possible that there's a psychic connection among the conscious species of the Universe. This would be a sort of god, like the Net forms a sort of global mind on Earth. | Apr 25 14:55 |
| msb__ | But it sure wouldn't be the evil Jehovah. | Apr 25 14:56 |
| Sosumi | jehova is a just and aspect of zoroastrianism | Apr 25 14:56 |
| Sosumi | *just an aspect | Apr 25 14:56 |
| msb__ | Did the Z god demand genital mutilation and subjugation of women? | Apr 25 14:57 |
| Sosumi | actually all he demanded was do unto others as you would like to be done to yourself | Apr 25 14:57 |
| Sosumi | aka the golden rule | Apr 25 14:57 |
| Sosumi | same went with confuncious | Apr 25 14:58 |
| msb__ | Well then, any derivation of jehovah from zoroastrianism is irrelevant. The Z god was good (beneficial), J was/is evil (harmful). | Apr 25 14:59 |
| Sosumi | genital mutilation aka circumcision was required to join the mysteries in Egypt | Apr 25 14:59 |
| Sosumi | as for the subjugation of women, well if it is patriarchal society what else would you expect | Apr 25 15:00 |
| MinceR | he also contradicted the "golden rule" | Apr 25 15:00 |
| Sosumi | no | Apr 25 15:00 |
| msb__ | It is JCI religion that *creates* patriarchal society. | Apr 25 15:00 |
| Sosumi | during those times the definitions of freedom were much different from what they are now | Apr 25 15:01 |
| MinceR | i would expect that people today don't proclaim the barbaric beliefs of an ancient society as eternal and perfect values. | Apr 25 15:01 |
| MinceR | and yet you can see what happens. | Apr 25 15:01 |
| Sosumi | since we are talking before common era | Apr 25 15:01 |
| msb__ | As Michael Parenti said, "There is one group of people that have always opposed and spoken out against slavery. They were called 'slaves'." | Apr 25 15:02 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 25 15:03 |
| Sosumi | actually, comparing the definitions of freedom from back in those days | Apr 25 15:03 |
| Sosumi | all you have too look is at saudi arabia and some parts of india | Apr 25 15:04 |
| Sosumi | and imagine it more brutish and miserable | Apr 25 15:04 |
| msb__ | I think the definition of "freedom" has been the same for thousands of years, because peoples' feelings when dominated have not changed. | Apr 25 15:04 |
| Sosumi | so no point in lambasting at the old folks from the times when egypt was fertile and chaldea the center of the world | Apr 25 15:06 |
| MinceR | i'm not lambasting them, i'm lambasting the ones who pretend nothing changed since then | Apr 25 15:07 |
| MinceR | and that nothing should ever change since then | Apr 25 15:07 |
| Sosumi | then KSA is that way -> | Apr 25 15:08 |
| Sosumi | :) | Apr 25 15:08 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, those people are not concentrated in KSA | Apr 25 15:08 |
| Sosumi | even iran and syria have evolved much better | Apr 25 15:08 |
| Sosumi | and if not for the sanctions and isolation | Apr 25 15:09 |
| MinceR | for example, the hungarian dictator is a christian fundamentalist | Apr 25 15:09 |
| msb__ | Read _The Chalice and the Blade_ by Riane Eisler. I hear it can even be found in the naughty place. | Apr 25 15:09 |
| Sosumi | it would open itself more to the new and better | Apr 25 15:09 |
| MinceR | and you pretty much can't have a political career in the usa if you're not openly fundie | Apr 25 15:09 |
| Sosumi | instead of being kind of closed into themselves | Apr 25 15:09 |
| MinceR | and of course the russian government is also entangled with a cult | Apr 25 15:09 |
| MinceR | apparently they replaced communism with a christian sect | Apr 25 15:10 |
| msb__ | which? | Apr 25 15:10 |
| MinceR | i'll look it up | Apr 25 15:11 |
| MinceR | russian orthodox | Apr 25 15:11 |
| msb__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Easter_Festival_Overture 1888 | Apr 25 15:13 |
| msb__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Church looks like it became the standard Russian religion starting around 1650. | Apr 25 15:18 |
| MinceR | sure, but communism took over for a while | Apr 25 15:18 |
| MinceR | along with a cult of personality (cults? personalities?) | Apr 25 15:18 |
| msb__ | Yes, I just meant that Putin's "sect" was just regular old Russian christianity, not something unusual. | Apr 25 15:19 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 25 15:20 |
| msb__ | Also, regarding communism being a cult, the same factors affected Bolshevism as affected North Korea. The USSR was invaded by troops from several capitalist nations immediately after the revolution, and millions of Russians were murdered. Years later, the Nazis, financed by the US and other nations ultra-wealthy capitalists, invaded Russia and murdered 20,000,000 people. These traumas caused the people to accept Stalinism for | Apr 25 15:24 |
| msb__ | protection. | Apr 25 15:24 |
| MinceR | well, it didn't protect them | Apr 25 15:26 |
| msb__ | It protected them to an extent, and the Russian military bravely fought the Nazi invaders and defeated them. | Apr 25 15:27 |
| MinceR | and killed plenty of their own | Apr 25 15:27 |
| MinceR | and kept most of the rest in squalor | Apr 25 15:28 |
| msb__ | That was the psychopathy of Stalinism, brought on by the previous trauma. | Apr 25 15:28 |
| msb__ | The russians were living in the mud before the bolsheviks pushed rapid industrialization. | Apr 25 15:29 |
| msb__ | They got a satellite up before we did! | Apr 25 15:29 |
| MinceR | and then they continued to live in the mud | Apr 25 15:30 |
| msb__ | Concrete apartment buildings. | Apr 25 15:30 |
| msb__ | not mud | Apr 25 15:30 |
| MinceR | ooh, something worse than mud | Apr 25 15:30 |
| MinceR | concrete boxes that they claimed were habitable | Apr 25 15:30 |
| MinceR | i know those all too well. | Apr 25 15:30 |
| msb__ | A huge advance in technology and industrialization in a few decades. | Apr 25 15:32 |
| MinceR | which would have been much greater, were it not for the communists | Apr 25 15:32 |
| msb__ | It didn't happen in other primitive nations. The communists focussed effort/energy on technology and industrialization. That didn't happen under capitalism with nearly as much speed, because it didn't make a profit (at first). | Apr 25 15:35 |
| MinceR | yet market economies turned out to be much more sustainable | Apr 25 15:36 |
| MinceR | and did much better | Apr 25 15:36 |
| MinceR | while the russian empire crumbled and lost its grip on its satellite states. | Apr 25 15:36 |
| msb__ | You're mixing various very different topics here. England also lost its empire. And we can see that the US empire is creating nothing but millions of deaths. | Apr 25 15:37 |
| MinceR | afaik most colony empires (including much of that of england) were given up voluntarily | Apr 25 15:38 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @BigDickStallman @tuxmachines When will you peons learn? It's | Apr 25 15:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | called GNU/Linux, NOT Linux. | Apr 25 15:40 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/25/iphone6-renders-curved-display-rounded-corners/ | Apr 25 17:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macrumors.com | New iPhone 6 Renderings Highlight Curved Display, Rounded Corners - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/h6e90 ] | Apr 25 17:00 | |
| Sosumi | http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s5-pictures-6033.php | Apr 25 17:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gsmarena.com | Samsung Galaxy S5 pictures, official photos [ http://ur1.ca/h6e99 ] | Apr 25 17:01 | |
| Sosumi | spot the differences | Apr 25 17:01 |
| Sosumi | I can start by saying that both look like crap | Apr 25 17:01 |
| Sosumi | and that samsung has employed that kind of design since the days of pocket pc 6 | Apr 25 17:02 |
| Sosumi | htc kind of too | Apr 25 17:02 |
| Sosumi | rounded corners were present on the htc tytn2 | Apr 25 17:02 |
| Sosumi | so who's gona sue now? | Apr 25 17:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines We’re a partner in the industrialization of IT, | Apr 25 17:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | says Red Hat CEO | #RHSummit | Apr 25 17:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Top Ten Steam for Linux Best-Selling List – | Apr 25 17:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Rust Is the King http://t.co/0BGW5jkzWK | Apr 25 17:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | We’re a partner in the industrialization of IT, says Red Hat CEO | #RHSummit | Tux Machines | Apr 25 17:28 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top Ten Steam for Linux Best-Selling List – Rust Is the King | Tux Machines | Apr 25 17:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cubuntu Is Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Remastered with | Apr 25 17:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Cinnamon and GNOME Classic | Apr 25 17:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/QRZlcu1MIf | Apr 25 17:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Cubuntu Is Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Remastered with Cinnamon and GNOME Classic | Tux Machines | Apr 25 17:28 | |
| gde33 | I sill dont get net neutrality. The arguments seem hooked on a nice philosophy that is not practished by those told to preach it. | Apr 25 17:58 |
| gde33 | The way I see it, when the web started everyone made homepages, some grew bigger, some just had a donation button. | Apr 25 17:58 |
| gde33 | A tiny percentage started a sort of ponzi business. | Apr 25 17:59 |
| gde33 | what successful websites did wasn't so important | Apr 25 17:59 |
| gde33 | it was what unsuccessful ones did. | Apr 25 17:59 |
| gde33 | they just pulled the plug when the visitors didnt come anymore | Apr 25 17:59 |
| gde33 | at first everyone had traffic and goodwill worth thousands of bucks in the old ecconomy. | Apr 25 18:00 |
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| gde33 | then slowly everyone went to big websites facebook, ars, hackers news, etc | Apr 25 18:01 |
| gde33 | now everyone is a corporate fanboy and they will cry about you even having a personal homepage, you weirdo! | Apr 25 18:01 |
| gde33 | Corporations that dont have to pay anything for their infrastructure, because that is the most neutral way of doing things? lol? | Apr 25 18:02 |
| gde33 | We've already assumed the postion of corporate slavery, net neutrality isn't going to save you from it. | Apr 25 18:03 |
| gde33 | I think the opposite, if all the entertainment is moved into containment we can finally be serious about things | Apr 25 18:04 |
| gde33 | I wouldnt have to make cheap jokes about people all day long, nor have to listen to any | Apr 25 18:04 |
| gde33 | I still value peoples opinion, but if it has to come as an arstecnica topic with 400 postings in it, no structure or organization, no established authors. I'm just not going to read the sound bites. | Apr 25 18:07 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3984037 | Apr 25 18:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Firefox is almost 13 years old, but it still uses an arcane, difficult interface like about:config for some rather basic settings. | Apr 25 18:43 | |
| schestowitz__ | "... as long as it works - why not?" | Apr 25 18:43 |
| schestowitz__ | That's the thing. It STOPPED working for me and searching for a fix is too hard. In mobille, Firefox doesn't even expose proxy settings in the GUI | Apr 25 18:44 |
| cubezzz | gde33, there's been some ideas about that | Apr 25 18:54 |
| cubezzz | generally for people who want to do their own thing, there | Apr 25 18:55 |
| cubezzz | 's old style BBSes, or they run there own servers | Apr 25 18:56 |
| cubezzz | s/there/their/ | Apr 25 18:56 |
| cubezzz | oops, cancel that last statement | Apr 25 18:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines NGINX Found Running 146 Million Websites--a | Apr 25 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Huge Web Server Success http://t.co/oWtlfI3UPt | Apr 25 19:13 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Enlightenment's Evas Adds OpenGL ETC2 Support | Apr 25 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/eA1dgA3IG7 | Apr 25 19:13 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Swiss school invests open source savings in | Apr 25 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | education http://t.co/QhevLePU69 | Apr 25 19:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NGINX Found Running 146 Million Websites--a Huge Web Server Success | Tux Machines | Apr 25 19:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GeForce 700 vs. Radeon Rx 200 Series With The | Apr 25 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Latest Linux Drivers http://t.co/dfUKNdw96Y | Apr 25 19:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h6gst | Apr 25 19:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Enlightenment's Evas Adds OpenGL ETC2 Support | Tux Machines | Apr 25 19:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/XQDNxGtd3b | Apr 25 19:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Swiss school invests open source savings in education | Tux Machines | Apr 25 19:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GeForce 700 vs. Radeon Rx 200 Series With The Latest Linux Drivers | Tux Machines | Apr 25 19:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/UyYz8DZDYJ | Apr 25 19:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Apr 25 19:13 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Apr 25 19:13 | |
| Sosumi | firefox's settings are ok | Apr 25 19:58 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Apr 25 20:45 |
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| msb__ | schestowitz__: What's not working for you in Firefox? | Apr 25 21:18 |
| Sosumi | probably why firefox isn't enough safari | Apr 25 21:19 |
| Sosumi | just with a single settings pane | Apr 25 21:19 |
| MinceR | 194419 < schestowitz__> That's the thing. It STOPPED working for me and searching for a fix is too hard. In mobille, Firefox doesn't even expose proxy settings in the GUI | Apr 25 21:21 |
| MinceR | the Proxy Mobile extension exposes them | Apr 25 21:21 |
| MinceR | handy for Tor/Orbot :) | Apr 25 21:22 |
| msb__ | FF has 8 panes plus lots of parameters in about:config. But they're all pretty easy to find and adjust. | Apr 25 21:22 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, they keep throwing stuff away, so you can only reach them in about:config | Apr 25 21:22 |
| MinceR | iirc recently they removed the javascript switch, for example | Apr 25 21:22 |
| MinceR | they added that stupid URL trimming misfeature and you can only disable it in about:config | Apr 25 21:23 |
| msb__ | You mean where it doesn't show "http://" in the URL slot? | Apr 25 21:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Couldn't resolve host '"' ( status 0 @ http://" ) | Apr 25 21:24 | |
| MinceR | yes, that | Apr 25 21:24 |
| msb__ | But if you copy it with the mouse you get that, so it's ok. | Apr 25 21:25 |
| MinceR | it annoys me anyway | Apr 25 21:25 |
| msb__ | So many people use FF that you can always find a fix by googling. Also, there are lots of great addons. I found an excellent one that made my smooth scrolling perfect (once I adjusted it). | Apr 25 21:27 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 25 21:27 |
| schestowitz__ | http://cdn.viralnova.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/irony22.jpg | Apr 25 21:28 |
| schestowitz__ | MinceR: aha | Apr 25 21:29 |
| schestowitz__ | too late | Apr 25 21:29 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 25 21:29 |
| schestowitz__ | I moved to another browser | Apr 25 21:29 |
| schestowitz__ | [21:25] <msb__> But if you copy it with the mouse you get that, so it's ok. | Apr 25 21:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Not always | Apr 25 21:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Google started this crap | Apr 25 21:30 |
| schestowitz__ | and Firefox implemented this later | Apr 25 21:30 |
| schestowitz__ | something it does not copy the omitted part | Apr 25 21:30 |
| msb__ | Can't remember that happening. Are you using the latest version for Linux> | Apr 25 21:31 |
| msb__ | ? | Apr 25 21:31 |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: So why did you switch? What was the problem? | Apr 25 21:32 |
| schestowitz__ | proxy issues | Apr 25 21:33 |
| schestowitz__ | with tor probably | Apr 25 21:33 |
| msb__ | Sorry, not in my area of knowledge. | Apr 25 21:34 |
| msb__ | You might look for an add-on to fix it, | Apr 25 21:35 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft has enveloped Nokia :-/ | Apr 25 21:35 |
| msb__ | Like an amoeba and its prey? | Apr 25 21:36 |
| cubezzz | basically | Apr 25 21:36 |
| MinceR | suicidal prey, in this case | Apr 25 21:36 |
| cubezzz | does Nokia make Android smartphones? | Apr 25 21:37 |
| MinceR | they make the nokia x | Apr 25 21:37 |
| MinceR | with crippled android | Apr 25 21:37 |
| MinceR | also, crippled hardware | Apr 25 21:37 |
| MinceR | so, typical nokia product after the fall | Apr 25 21:37 |
| MinceR | with butt-ugly winblowsoid skin | Apr 25 21:38 |
| MinceR | basically any low-end chinese android phone you dig out of the bargain bin is better and cheaper | Apr 25 21:39 |
| MinceR | (just like it's better and cheaper than any winblows phone and any hypePhone) | Apr 25 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I guess it's just as well that my phone got a factory reset. I should have done that after the major android update anyway. | Apr 25 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | It seems to be faster now. | Apr 25 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | I'm moving all my important mail over to gmail because it just works better with the chromebook and Android. | Apr 25 21:42 |
| cubezzz | watching Microsoft's acquisitions is probably a good idea | Apr 25 21:42 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 25 21:42 |
| cubezzz | they just keep acquiring more and more companies | Apr 25 21:42 |
| MinceR | just to show you that usian antitrust laws don't work | Apr 25 21:43 |
| MinceR | also, they don't work anywhere else either | Apr 25 21:43 |
| msb__ | Doesn't gmail scan all your mail so it can send you ads? | Apr 25 21:43 |
| MinceR | it does | Apr 25 21:44 |
| MinceR | it also keeps the back door wide open so governments can read your mail | Apr 25 21:44 |
| MinceR | though i guess not wide enough as the red chinese did try to crack the backdoor for more access | Apr 25 21:45 |
| msb__ | This all is google's idea of "doing no harm"? | Apr 25 21:45 |
| MinceR | no, this is google's idea of "doing no evil" | Apr 25 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | msb__: Yeah. Gmail has a folder of "promotions" now. | Apr 25 21:47 |
| MinceR | that's just where it files your ad-like non-spam mail | Apr 25 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | You don't have to look at it and it doesn't count against your Drive storage. | Apr 25 21:47 |
| MinceR | like mailing lists you're willing to read :> | Apr 25 21:47 |
| MinceR | of shops and whatever | Apr 25 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | There's some battery saving app now from CleanMaster. | Apr 25 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | It says it saves battery power by shutting down apps. | Apr 25 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | iPhone users that close apps tend to get worse battery life, because they have to load the entire app again and have it refresh each time they open it. | Apr 25 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose Google knows this and that's why it just leaves it up to the app. | Apr 25 21:50 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 25 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | I have an application from Qualcomm called Battery Guru that stops battery draining behavior anyway. | Apr 25 21:51 |
| MinceR | also, android suspends app ui processes when they aren't visible | Apr 25 21:51 |
| MinceR | only service processes keep running | Apr 25 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | It stops frivolous app refresh requests and shuts down my mobile data after 15 minutes of non-use. | Apr 25 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | Battery Guru seems to help. | Apr 25 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | It stops apps like Facebook from refreshing in the background every few minutes. | Apr 25 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | It lets them update like once every hour or when it decides to turn your data back on. :) | Apr 25 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | It doesn't stop push messages when it's blocking refresh requests though. | Apr 25 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | So you know if people message you while refresh has been suppressed. | Apr 25 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | I'd guess that I get about 30-35% more time on my battery with that app installed. | Apr 25 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | Facebook likes to go in every 5-10 minutes and refresh the stream so it is always up to date when you look at it. But, I'd rather just have it take a few seconds each time I tap on it than make refresh requests so often. | Apr 25 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | By default, they're draining your battery to make their own app seem a little faster. | Apr 25 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | iPhone users can't do anything about this. | Apr 25 21:55 |
| MinceR | i don't use dumbFuckBook :> | Apr 25 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | Well, with iPhone, you have to uninstall Facebook to make it stop, because it says it's a "VOIP" app, and gains access to background refresh that way. | Apr 25 21:55 |
| msb__ | Me either. Saves 35% of my brain energy! | Apr 25 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | They get away with that because you can use facebook messenger to make voice calls now. | Apr 25 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | I'll bet that's the only reason they implemented that feature. | Apr 25 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | Without it, they wouldn't have gotten that VOIP exception from Apple. | Apr 25 21:56 |
| MinceR | i think you can also disable the app | Apr 25 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | Normal apps are not allowed to do that, because Apple doesn't give them access to that feature. | Apr 25 21:56 |
| MinceR | oh, hypePhone | Apr 25 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | I think this will be like the Zawinski's Law of Software Envelopment. | Apr 25 21:57 |
| MinceR | hypePhone users are just harmking themselves | Apr 25 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | Every iPhone app will expand until it has voice calls. | Apr 25 21:57 |
| MinceR | s/mk/m/ | Apr 25 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 25 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | If you want to be allowed to drain the battery, you just add some kind of voice calling feature to your app. | Apr 25 21:58 |
| MinceR | jwz has a hypePhone | Apr 25 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/rtJ7snacAh | Apr 25 21:58 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LG opening up WebOS, Smart TV winning raves | Apr 25 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/X524G3Fb8L | Apr 25 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h6jv8 | Apr 25 21:58 |
| MinceR | it's sad that his brain stopped working. | Apr 25 21:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Apr 25 21:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LG opening up WebOS, Smart TV winning raves | Tux Machines | Apr 25 21:58 | |
| msb__ | jwz? | Apr 25 21:58 |
| MinceR | jamie zawinski | Apr 25 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Apr 25 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | Someone that uses an iPhone asked me why I don't like Apple. | Apr 25 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | yesterday | Apr 25 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | I usually just point them to Stallman.org/Apple | Apr 25 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | His list has all of my reasons for avoiding them and more. | Apr 25 22:01 |
| msb__ | http://stallman.org/apple -- lower-case "a" | Apr 25 22:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Apple | Apr 25 22:03 | |
| msb__ | Lots of good info there! | Apr 25 22:08 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Thanks! I'll send it to some Mac-using friends. | Apr 25 22:09 |
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| MinceR | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl4w9eLIAAAMreK.jpg:large | Apr 25 22:24 |
| cubezzz | of course apple is bad now | Apr 25 22:27 |
| cubezzz | originally they were OK with the apple II | Apr 25 22:27 |
| MinceR | it always was, at least since the macintoy and the lisa | Apr 25 22:27 |
| MinceR | and the crApple III | Apr 25 22:27 |
| cubezzz | ok, basically everything was bad except the Apple II :) | Apr 25 22:27 |
| MinceR | what was the apple I like? | Apr 25 22:28 |
| MinceR | and the various apple II variants? | Apr 25 22:28 |
| cubezzz | it was a kit, you had to build it up | Apr 25 22:28 |
| MinceR | i know | Apr 25 22:28 |
| cubezzz | Apple II was kind of like a C64 with better expansion slots | Apr 25 22:29 |
| cubezzz | 6502 cpu | Apr 25 22:29 |
| MinceR | and worse graphics? :> | Apr 25 22:29 |
| cubezzz | yeah 280x192 vs 320x200 | Apr 25 22:30 |
| cubezzz | but it's 5 years older | Apr 25 22:30 |
| cubezzz | it's what the rich kids bought in the late 70's | Apr 25 22:30 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 25 22:30 |
| cubezzz | c64 debuted at $595 | Apr 25 22:31 |
| cubezzz | Apple II was $1298 | Apr 25 22:31 |
| cubezzz | the early 1990's was an interesting period for software developers | Apr 25 22:41 |
| cubezzz | there was C64, Apple II, Mac, IBM compatibles, Amiga and Atari | Apr 25 22:41 |
| MinceR | "may you live in interesting times" | Apr 25 22:41 |
| cubezzz | some software houses didn't support all of them, but there were some that did | Apr 25 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | uggh | Apr 25 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | a psychotic ex just showed up | Apr 25 22:42 |
| cubezzz | on the console side there was gameboy, nintendo, and sega genesis | Apr 25 22:42 |
| cubezzz | Loki Software didn't appear until 1998 | Apr 25 22:45 |
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| msb__ | Isn't that a Microsoft API? Psychotic-X ? | Apr 25 22:53 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 25 22:53 |
| MinceR | a good match for RadioActiveX and DirectSuX | Apr 25 22:53 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Where should we send the cops if you call for help? | Apr 25 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | Apr 25 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | maybe I should buy a gun | Apr 25 22:56 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft owns a stake in UUNet | Apr 25 22:56 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Are you OK? Is he gone? | Apr 25 22:56 |
| cubezzz | and Rogers too :-/ | Apr 25 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | msb__: For now I think. | Apr 25 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | He got on my wifi and deleted a bunch of his accounts and shit and then claimed it was me that did it. | Apr 25 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | and he says he's gone to the police about it. | Apr 25 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know what this is about. | Apr 25 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | I changed all my passwords, including my wifi | Apr 25 23:02 |
| msb__ | Sounds pretty nuts! | Apr 25 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | oh, if he even did it | Apr 25 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | he's a liar | Apr 25 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | he lies about everything, even stuff that doesn't really matter | Apr 25 23:02 |
| msb__ | This could be an Lifetime movie, but they only do hetero psychotic-exes. | Apr 25 23:03 |
| cubezzz | probably a windows user too :) | Apr 25 23:04 |
| msb__ | On the evil ISP topic, Earthlink is owned by scientologists. | Apr 25 23:04 |
| msb__ | I hide my contact info in my domain record because I got death threats from some windows programmer! He wrote a Windows program and was angry that Linux was taking people away from Windows. | Apr 25 23:08 |
| cubezzz | haha | Apr 25 23:08 |
| cubezzz | anyone I know? | Apr 25 23:08 |
| msb__ | He was in Silicon Valley, California. Wrote a compiler supervisor program that would multitask. I don't remember his name. | Apr 25 23:09 |
| msb__ | Somewhere near San Jose, Calif. | Apr 25 23:10 |
| msb__ | I had a nice address on Mars in there, but they made me take it out and do standard anonymity. | Apr 25 23:12 |
| cubezzz | why did he get so upset at you? | Apr 25 23:12 |
| msb__ | 314 Tsiolkovsky Way, Dome 6, Mars City, Elysium Planitia EP178R51 | Apr 25 23:13 |
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| cubezzz | it's true that Windows and Linux folks don't get along too well, but usually they refrain from making death threats | Apr 25 23:14 |
| msb__ | I don't remember. Maybe I said Linux was better than Windows. More than once. | Apr 25 23:14 |
| msb__ | COLA is full of MS advos. That DFS that was in here a few days ago is a major one. | Apr 25 23:15 |
| msb__ | They're very nasty. Post pictures of turds floating in a toilet, etc. | Apr 25 23:15 |
| msb__ | Maybe I said gcc was much better than MSC. | Apr 25 23:16 |
| msb__ | This happened in COLA. So the guy was there to harass us anyhow. | Apr 25 23:17 |
| MinceR | how dare you? only m$ fans have the right to speak! :> | Apr 25 23:17 |
| msb__ | Right. In our own newsgroup. | Apr 25 23:18 |
| cubezzz | well I bet if he knew the whole story he would change his mind | Apr 25 23:18 |
| msb__ | Probably no mind there to change. | Apr 25 23:18 |
| cubezzz | because everything, icc, gcc, pcc, all derived from Unix v7 cc | Apr 25 23:18 |
| cubezzz | and the Microsoft compiler is from Lattice C | Apr 25 23:19 |
| cubezzz | gcc is important though, since like the original cc it was open source | Apr 25 23:19 |
| msb__ | Well it stunk back then. I had to turn off all the optimizations or it would write totally bad code. Divide by zero, etc. | Apr 25 23:20 |
| cubezzz | so when gcc matured, yes that was a big deal | Apr 25 23:20 |
| cubezzz | and pcc also got started at Bell Labs | Apr 25 23:21 |
| cubezzz | http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/History | Apr 25 23:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gcc.gnu.org | History - GCC Wiki | Apr 25 23:25 | |
| msb__ | cubezzz: If cc was open source, why did RMS have to write gcc from scratch? | Apr 25 23:28 |
| cubezzz | he didn't want to use any AT&T code | Apr 25 23:29 |
| cubezzz | he can't just convert pcc to gpl | Apr 25 23:32 |
| cubezzz | he probably thought it was important to have a compiler with a GPL license, which would have been impossible with pcc | Apr 25 23:33 |
| msb__ | Stay out of the clutches of the Giant Amoeba! | Apr 25 23:33 |
| cubezzz | the whole point of the GNU project was the idea of copyleft | Apr 25 23:34 |
| cubezzz | the BSD guys think differently on this point | Apr 25 23:34 |
| msb__ | Yep. | Apr 25 23:34 |
| cubezzz | BSD folks say "We are the middle choice" | Apr 25 23:35 |
| cubezzz | not copyright, but also not copyleft either | Apr 25 23:35 |
| msb__ | So we salute them with our middle finger! | Apr 25 23:35 |
| cubezzz | haha, well... | Apr 25 23:36 |
| cubezzz | I use the BSDs, and Plan 9 and Linux | Apr 25 23:36 |
| msb__ | Actually it's nice if we're allies. | Apr 25 23:36 |
| msb__ | When are you going to get a B6600 and write code in ALGOL68? | Apr 25 23:37 |
| msb__ | You could get a small reactor to power it. | Apr 25 23:38 |
| cubezzz | well that was related to APL | Apr 25 23:38 |
| msb__ | I thought it came from ALGOL60. | Apr 25 23:39 |
| cubezzz | ah no, what I mean is my interesting in Burroughs is mainly due to my interest in the historical versions of APL | Apr 25 23:40 |
| msb__ | ALGOL68 was supposed to be "orthogonal", meaning that every design principle could be applied to every type of object (I guess unless it was really ridiculous). | Apr 25 23:42 |
| msb__ | It had a double-layer grammer, that generated an infinite number of production rules. | Apr 25 23:42 |
| cubezzz | there was APL\5500 and... ummm APL\700 I think it was | Apr 25 23:42 |
| msb__ | The defining document had lots of references to Alice in Wonderland! | Apr 25 23:42 |
| cubezzz | APL\5500 ran on the Burroughs B5500 of course | Apr 25 23:43 |
| cubezzz | so yeah we have the ALGOL68 source for APL\5500 | Apr 25 23:46 |
| cubezzz | I haven't really looked at it much | Apr 25 23:47 |
| cubezzz | no free emulator for B5500 as yet, but people are working on it | Apr 25 23:48 |
| cubezzz | Linux has the ALGOL 68 Genie project, so I can use that if I really want to write algol programs | Apr 25 23:49 |
| msb__ | Back when I was following the ALGOLs, only one group managed to make a compiler for '68, but it cheated and used a single-level grammar with kludges. | Apr 25 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | msb__: That's what sucks so much about having a psychotic ex that's the same gender as you. If you complain to the police or anything about it, then you have to deal with small town bigotry. | Apr 25 23:56 |
| msb__ | I was attacked by a cop in Philadelphia just because I had long hair. Walking at night, nobody around, not doing anything. | Apr 25 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | 20 secs · | Apr 26 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | That's what sucks about having a crazy ex that's the same gender as you are. If you complain to the police or anyone about it, you get to deal with right-wing Indiana small town bigotry. | Apr 26 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | That's exactly why Jeffrey Dahmer wasn't captured earlier. The police actually returned one of his victims to him and then laughed about his "drunken gay boyfriend" instead of investigating what was actually going on in there. | Apr 26 00:00 |
| MinceR | http://cl.ly/image/2C1T0N451E1b | Apr 26 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC | Judges can strike down whatever awful laws they want, but it doesn't change the fact that the public sucks. If the voting public wasn't a bunch of backwards retards, states like Indiana wouldn't have anti-equality laws to begin with. | Apr 26 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | I put that on Facebook. :P | Apr 26 00:00 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: I was just kidding, and also confused. The successor to the B5500 was the B6700, not 6600. I'm pretty sure it was a B6700 manual that I got, and was totally thrilled by. | Apr 26 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | Out of an abundance of caution, I shredded my browser profiles with GNU Shred. | Apr 26 00:01 |
| msb__ | And those machines ran ALGOL60 (more or less), not 68. | Apr 26 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | Then I rounded up anything that belonged to him, and threw it in the trash someplace else. | Apr 26 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't done anything wrong, but unfortunately, that doesn't actually matter if the police want to harass you. | Apr 26 00:02 |
| cubezzz | msb_, yeah the only two Burroughs machines I know anything about are B5500, B6700 and B7700 | Apr 26 00:02 |
| cubezzz | that's mainly due to my interest in APL | Apr 26 00:02 |
| cubezzz | oops, three machines :) | Apr 26 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | They might go into your house over one thing, but they're looking for anything they can stick to you. | Apr 26 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | I might switch my OS over to Ubuntu and encrypt my home folder. | Apr 26 00:03 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Yeah, making someone wrong gains points for them. A bad system. | Apr 26 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't really want to encrypt my home folder because it slows stuff down. | Apr 26 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | and if you need to legitimately recover your own data, that can cause problems | Apr 26 00:03 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: As long as all your sexy pictures are of people over 18, they're legal, right? | Apr 26 00:05 |
| msb__ | So all the cops could get you for is making them cream their pants when they look at it. Send you the dry-cleaning bill. | Apr 26 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | well, a copyright violation perhaps. | Apr 26 00:06 |
| msb__ | It could make them reveal (dare I say "expose") themselves. Is there a law against De-Closetation of a Police Officer? | Apr 26 00:07 |
| msb__ | Defenestration, but that's different. | Apr 26 00:11 |
| cubezzz | msb_, I honesty am not sure if B5500 used ALGOL60 or ALGOL68 | Apr 26 00:14 |
| cubezzz | it might have been both | Apr 26 00:14 |
| cubezzz | the APL code was dated after 1970 at any rate | Apr 26 00:15 |
| cubezzz | I can't tell which version of ALGOL it is | Apr 26 00:15 |
| msb__ | This is an interesting read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algol-68 | Apr 26 00:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | ALGOL 68 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Apr 26 00:20 | |
| msb__ | I'm pretty sure the B5500/B6700 was designed for an ALGOL very close to 60, probably with some extensions. 68 was an entirely different beast. | Apr 26 00:21 |
| msb__ | A computer designed to execute ALGOL68 programs would have to have hardware extensions into hyperspace. | Apr 26 00:24 |
| msb__ | A good subject for a Rudy Rucker story. | Apr 26 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | msb__: I suppose there's no good reason to have tons of porn on my hard drive anyway. | Apr 26 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | Stream it. | Apr 26 00:49 |
| msb__ | Of course there is. And where are you going to stream it from? | Apr 26 00:51 |
| msb__ | The only reason not to have tons of porn on your hard drive is if it causes an imbalance and makes the drive shake, which is bad for the bearings. | Apr 26 00:53 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 26 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | 51.2 GB for the OS. 4 GB for the SWAP file, 1.86 TB for porn. | Apr 26 00:54 |
| msb__ | That sounds about right. | Apr 26 00:54 |
| cubezzz | msb__, you are right, it's ALGOL 60 with extensions | Apr 26 01:01 |
| msb__ | Yes, ALGOL68 was designed for trans-dimensional beings, whose minds are infinitely-indexed memory banks. | Apr 26 01:04 |
| MinceR | turing machines? | Apr 26 01:05 |
| msb__ | Touring machines. | Apr 26 01:05 |
| msb__ | ALGOL68 is fun to read about, but it's very dangerous. With its orthogonality, every piece of code will execute and do something, because anything can modify and define anything else. Thus a simple typo in a program might cause it to generate a black hole when it executes, and swallow the entire planet. | Apr 26 01:08 |
| msb__ | It's like that program I wrote for the LINC. It filled a large section of memory with random numbers, and then executed them as LINC instructions. It wouldn't execute the HALT instruction, nor modify memory outside that designated section, but inside it, it could modify itself with total freedom. | Apr 26 01:13 |
| msb__ | I stopped running it when the computer began to glow with an eerie green light, and I saw these... creatures, swimming through the air. Then they started looking at me. I shut down that program, burned the paper tape it was written on, and never ran it again. | Apr 26 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | My next desktop computer will probably be a Chromebox. | Apr 26 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | I like my Chromebook. | Apr 26 01:17 |
| msb__ | Is it all open source? | Apr 26 01:23 |
| msb__ | And user-modifiable? | Apr 26 01:23 |
| cubezzz | the chromebooks have seabios so that gets a thumbs up from me | Apr 26 01:25 |
| msb__ | If you can't go through it and de-louse it, you'll be getting ads from porno distributors that you never heard of. | Apr 26 01:25 |
| cubezzz | you can change the OS, there's a few wiki's on how to do it | Apr 26 01:26 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 26 01:26 |
| cubezzz | if you don't like Chrome OS | Apr 26 01:26 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: That's good, but what's in the OS and utilities that go on top of it. | Apr 26 01:26 |
| cubezzz | it's Chrome OS out of the box | Apr 26 01:26 |
| msb__ | Will Chrome fanboys be called Chrome-Domes? If so, you heard it here first. | Apr 26 01:28 |
| msb__ | Google Chrome OS is a Linux kernel-based operating system designed by Google to work primarily with web applications. The user interface takes a minimalist approach and consists almost entirely of just the Google Chrome web browser; | Apr 26 01:30 |
| msb__ | ...wiki | Apr 26 01:31 |
| msb__ | Sounds like it's really embedded in Google corp. | Apr 26 01:32 |
| msb__ | aka google gorp. | Apr 26 01:33 |
| msb__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrome_OS | Apr 26 01:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Chrome OS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Apr 26 01:33 | |
| cubezzz | yes well that's why I mentioned replacing Chrome OS with something else :) | Apr 26 01:41 |
| cubezzz | e.g. debian or whatever | Apr 26 01:41 |
| msb__ | (suse is nice) | Apr 26 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | Chrome OS is really easy to use and the web apps are more powerful than I thought they'd be. | Apr 26 01:42 |
| cubezzz | I assume Google gives out programming specs for it | Apr 26 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | It runs on some really minimal hardware that even something like Xubuntu wouldn't run very well on. | Apr 26 01:42 |
| cubezzz | so it should be possible to adapt it to any open source OS | Apr 26 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: There's the Chromium OS project. | Apr 26 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | So like almost all of it is open source. | Apr 26 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | It comes with a few proprietary bits though. | Apr 26 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | Flash, for example | Apr 26 01:43 |
| msb__ | OK, but if you come back and tell us that you're totally straight, and by the way have accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as you personal savior, we'll know they got to you. | Apr 26 01:45 |
| msb__ | I don't trust corporations. | Apr 26 01:45 |
| msb__ | Didn't we just see an article about how Google is totally working with the US govt on surveillance drones or something? | Apr 26 01:47 |
| msb__ | Oh yeah, http://pando.com/2014/04/23/the-revolving-door-between-google-and-the-department-of-defense/ | Apr 26 01:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pando.com | The revolving door between Google and the Department of Defense | PandoDaily [ http://ur1.ca/h5s5n ] | Apr 26 01:49 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME 3.14 to Be Released in September 2014 | Apr 26 03:43 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @Steinhage Hello webOS is out! http://t.co/SJBmneyXii | Apr 26 07:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Stories via @tuxmachines @reeder29 @RTwebOS | Apr 26 07:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linkis.com | Hello webOS - Linkis.com | Apr 26 08:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Preventing Heartbleeds, Red Hat Oversold, and | Apr 26 08:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lightworks Review http://t.co/WcjKFHmTKA | Apr 26 08:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Preventing Heartbleeds, Red Hat Oversold, and Lightworks Review | Tux Machines | Apr 26 08:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Banana Pi: The next generation of single-board | Apr 26 08:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | computers? http://t.co/fMz4ZKMzUC | Apr 26 08:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Banana Pi: The next generation of single-board computers? | Tux Machines | Apr 26 08:17 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AurelianoFerri: Arseniy #Yatsenyuk il "democratico" primo ministro dell'#Ucraina the "democratic" PM of #Ukraine http://t.co/Aa9ToNntBq thx @ZaRdOz420WPN | Apr 26 13:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ZaRdOz420WPN: Arseniy Yatsenyuk #RightSector #Ukraine #Fascism #Nationalism #Nazi #NED #CIA #IMF https://t.co/LZx0ABy9G3 http://t.co/iJd50dXVYh | Apr 26 13:10 | |
| Sosumi | heil shicklegruber | Apr 26 13:10 |
| Sosumi | Ratsenyuk, following the steps of Stepan Bandera | Apr 26 13:19 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD Catalyst™ 14.4 Linux Release Notes | Apr 26 16:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD Catalyst™ 14.4 Linux Release Notes | Tux Machines | Apr 26 16:41 | |
| Sosumi | http://www.hardocp.com/news/2014/04/26/microsoft_may_halt_xbox_one_production/ | Apr 26 18:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hardocp.com | HARDOCP - Microsoft May Halt Xbox One Production [ http://ur1.ca/h6u2y ] | Apr 26 18:07 | |
| Sosumi | lololololololol abd infinitum | Apr 26 18:07 |
| Sosumi | *add | Apr 26 18:07 |
| Sosumi | wanting to clear inventory before ramping production again | Apr 26 18:09 |
| Sosumi | m$ lost it after halo 3 | Apr 26 18:10 |
| Sosumi | after that the ps3 picked up | Apr 26 18:10 |
| msb__ | Sosumi: Are you there? | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_14ecbe7071b335908252.jpg | Apr 26 18:51 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 26 18:51 |
| MinceR | that must be very uncomfortable | Apr 26 18:51 |
| MinceR | if it's made of that wire | Apr 26 18:51 |
| schestowitz__ | watch closely :-) it's a hammock hanging | Apr 26 18:53 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 26 18:54 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3978295 | Apr 26 18:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The reasons companies funnel money to "Linux" (foundation) is not that Linux is so exceptional compared to GNU but misnaming of the system | Apr 26 18:58 | |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 26 18:58 |
| schestowitz__ | Linus clearly understands the benefits of software freedom and Linux, which is GPL'd, is clearly copyleft free software. Linus has decried binary blobs and has often talked about the benefits of group cooperation and commons. | Apr 26 18:58 |
| schestowitz__ | Don't let the Microsoft press tell you what Linux thinks, watch his speeches for yourself. An excellent speech to watch is the infamous "FU Nividia" speech. It is true that Linus told Nvidia to fuck off, but that is only a tiny portion of the talk. Most of it is about the benefits of having all sorts of people working on Linux, like how the combined expertise fosters solutions that would never have occurred to more focused groups on | Apr 26 18:58 |
| schestowitz__ | their own. While Linus does not say so out loud, you can see that he understands the tragedy of BSD and Unix which splintered. | Apr 26 18:58 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 26 18:58 |
| schestowitz__ | +1 to that, on creating a rift | Apr 26 18:58 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/post/3987526 | Apr 26 19:00 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3987526 | Apr 26 19:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: State Dept Launches 'Free the Press' Campaign While DOJ Asks Supreme Court to Force Reporter James Risen Into Jail https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/blog/2014/04/state-dept-launches-free-press-campaign-while-doj-supreme-court-force-reporter #US #journalism | Apr 26 19:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> pressfreedomfoundation.org | State Dept Launches 'Free the Press' Campaign While DOJ Asks Supreme Court to Force Reporter James Risen Into Jail | Freedom of the Press Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/h6ulv ] | Apr 26 19:01 | |
| Sosumi | I'm here now | Apr 26 19:06 |
| Sosumi | but now I'm gone | Apr 26 19:07 |
| schestowitz__ | exccellent news re xbox oone | Apr 26 19:11 |
| schestowitz__ | people have a day field with it now | Apr 26 19:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Graphics News http://t.co/epdhaa4d6Z | Apr 26 19:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Graphics News | Tux Machines | Apr 26 19:17 | |
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| _Goblin | schestowitz, I don't suppose you are about? | Apr 26 19:57 |
| schestowitz__ | I am, what's up? | Apr 26 19:58 |
| schestowitz__ | recording? | Apr 26 19:58 |
| _Goblin | yep | Apr 26 20:01 |
| _Goblin | if you want... | Apr 26 20:01 |
| Sosumi | recording? | Apr 26 20:02 |
| Sosumi | an album about free software? | Apr 26 20:02 |
| Sosumi | :) | Apr 26 20:02 |
| _Goblin | yeah..... | Apr 26 20:03 |
| _Goblin | like a kylie and Jason type track | Apr 26 20:03 |
| schestowitz__ | _Goblin: what time roughly? | Apr 26 20:03 |
| _Goblin | what time suits you? | Apr 26 20:03 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open source core of Warsaw hospital e-health | Apr 26 20:06 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Spanish hospitals test open source data portal | Apr 26 20:07 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source core of Warsaw hospital e-health system | Tux Machines | Apr 26 20:07 | |
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| _Goblin | schestowitz__, I can do anytime as long as it doesn't get too late. | Apr 26 20:09 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-danielpocock.com | Android betrays tethering data | DanielPocock.com [ http://ur1.ca/h60xm ] | Apr 26 20:24 | |
| schestowitz__ | tell me which channel now | Apr 26 20:27 |
| schestowitz__ | I can start now | Apr 26 20:27 |
| schestowitz__ | we can also quickly invite anyone who wants to be live on it | Apr 26 20:28 |
| schestowitz__ | (just finished dinner with the wife and need to get to sleep before 10 or so, let's hurry up and start) | Apr 26 20:29 |
| _Goblin | Yep...DM;d you | Apr 26 20:30 |
| schestowitz__ | yeah | Apr 26 20:34 |
| schestowitz__ | getting there now | Apr 26 20:34 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | Piphone for $158 http://t.co/XaXA7Y9bR2 | Apr 26 21:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux engineer builds Raspberry Pi-based Piphone for $158 | Tux Machines | Apr 26 21:48 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cern expands open source system use with Red | Apr 26 21:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Cern expands open source system use with Red Hat | Tux Machines | Apr 26 21:48 | |
| cubezzz | ok, not necessarily open source but an interesting list of games re-released as freeware: | Apr 26 21:50 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_commercial_video_games_released_as_freeware | Apr 26 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | List of commercial video games released as freeware - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h6vq4 ] | Apr 26 21:50 | |
| cubezzz | and games with source code released: | Apr 26 21:58 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_commercial_video_games_with_available_source_code | Apr 26 21:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 free open source and web alternatives to commercial software | Tux Machines | Apr 26 21:59 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Tweak 0.8.7 Has Been Released! | Apr 26 23:39 |
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| msb | Not tiny content like tweets, but real text about important things. | Apr 20 00:00 |
| MinceR | keyboards can be connected to most mobile devices | Apr 20 00:00 |
| cubezzz | like xlib and motif! :) | Apr 20 00:00 |
| MinceR | and built-in keyboards of laptops are inferior anyway | Apr 20 00:00 |
| MinceR | none of them use Cherry ML key switches | Apr 20 00:00 |
| msb | We should encourage people to get laptops/notebooks, not tablets. | Apr 20 00:01 |
| MinceR | laptops and tablets are converging anyway | Apr 20 00:01 |
| msb | Much better than touchscreens though. | Apr 20 00:01 |
| MinceR | touchscreens are just yet another feature | Apr 20 00:01 |
| msb | but they shouldn't substitute for a keyboard | Apr 20 00:02 |
| MinceR | not entirely, certainly | Apr 20 00:02 |
| msb | keyboard with touchscreen is fine | Apr 20 00:02 |
| MinceR | but sometimes they work well | Apr 20 00:02 |
| MinceR | for example, on my phone | Apr 20 00:02 |
| msb | but not for originating content | Apr 20 00:02 |
| msb | right, you don't write essays on your phone | Apr 20 00:03 |
| MinceR | or typing when sitting on public transport | Apr 20 00:03 |
| MinceR | on a tablet | Apr 20 00:03 |
| msb | wherever you are, if you're writing real content, and have a lap, you're better off with a laptop than a tablet | Apr 20 00:04 |
| MinceR | holding a laptop on your lap can be rather awkward | Apr 20 00:04 |
| MinceR | it's better to sit down at a desk and use a mechanical keyboard | Apr 20 00:04 |
| msb | maybe laptops could have neck straps and belt connectors so you can use them standing up, if needed | Apr 20 00:05 |
| MinceR | that said, my experiment of replacing my laptop (well, convertible tablet pc) with an arm tablet failed | Apr 20 00:05 |
| msb | yes, but you were talking about on public transport -- no desks | Apr 20 00:05 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 20 00:05 |
| MinceR | or we could have belt-mounted keyboards and wearable computers :> | Apr 20 00:05 |
| MinceR | with a head up display | Apr 20 00:05 |
| msb | yep | Apr 20 00:05 |
| MinceR | or direct neural connections | Apr 20 00:06 |
| msb | USB5, back of the neck, like in Ghost in the Shell | Apr 20 00:06 |
| msb | (I made up the USB5 part, but they do have sockets there.) | Apr 20 00:07 |
| msb | What's the resolution of google glass? | Apr 20 00:07 |
| cubezzz | http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/3f/Wearcompevolution.jpg/1024px-Wearcompevolution.jpg | Apr 20 00:07 |
| MinceR | wikipedia says it's 640x360 | Apr 20 00:08 |
| msb | Usable | Apr 20 00:08 |
| msb | LINC used to be about 40x20 text | Apr 20 00:09 |
| msb | 5inch oscilloscope | Apr 20 00:09 |
| msb | Beard is required. | Apr 20 00:11 |
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| *MinceR shaves | Apr 20 00:12 | |
| msb | No beard, dorky: http://studenti.fisica.unifi.it/~calamai/images/Techno-Bill.gif | Apr 20 00:13 |
| cubezzz | similar to Steve Mann :) | Apr 20 00:14 |
| msb | Whozzat? | Apr 20 00:14 |
| MinceR | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_head-mounted_display | Apr 20 00:14 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Optical head-mounted display - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h4gcy ] | Apr 20 00:14 | |
| msb | Wow, lotsa those! | Apr 20 00:15 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 20 00:16 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/steve-mann.jpg | Apr 20 00:16 |
| msb | Then I'd learn a one-hand chord keyboard. | Apr 20 00:16 |
| MinceR | http://blog.laptopmag.com/google-glass-alternatives | Apr 20 00:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-blog.laptopmag.com | Google Glass Alternatives - 2014 Smart Glasses - LAPTOP Magazine [ http://ur1.ca/h4gdz ] | Apr 20 00:17 | |
| msb | Damn firefox crashed and wasn't even using much cpu. I probably shouldn't have 80 tabs in one of its windows. | Apr 20 00:19 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 20 00:20 |
| MinceR | recently i've found a way to cut down on tabs | Apr 20 00:20 |
| cubezzz | google glass looks like an OK device for receiving information but you can't really output, at least I don't see any way to do so | Apr 20 00:20 |
| MinceR | it mainly relies on voice recognition for that | Apr 20 00:21 |
| MinceR | it also has a small touchpad | Apr 20 00:21 |
| MinceR | http://www.smartglassesnews.org/smart-glasses/ | Apr 20 00:22 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.smartglassesnews.org | Compare Smart Glasses - Smart Glasses News [ http://ur1.ca/h4gfi ] | Apr 20 00:22 | |
| MinceR | a sufficiently smart "smart glass" could be used with some sort of keyboard, though | Apr 20 00:23 |
| msb | The glasses should just be an output device. Computer in ones pocket, on the belt, etc. Much less weight on the face. | Apr 20 00:26 |
| msb | gloves with sensors could act as a keyboard and implement QWERTY. | Apr 20 00:30 |
| msb | No retraining needed. | Apr 20 00:30 |
| MinceR | http://readwrite.com/2013/10/30/five-face-saving-alternatives-to-google-glass | Apr 20 00:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-readwrite.com | Five Face-Saving Alternatives To Google Glass – ReadWrite [ http://ur1.ca/h4gii ] | Apr 20 00:30 | |
| msb | Thanks for all this great HUD info! I'm just saving the urls write now because I don't want FF to crash again. I have to clean out a lot of those tabs. | Apr 20 00:32 |
| msb | right now | Apr 20 00:32 |
| MinceR | np | Apr 20 00:33 |
| cubezzz | I guess I'm always very memory conservative | Apr 20 00:33 |
| cubezzz | I never use more than 4 tabs, and sometimes I don't even use firefox | Apr 20 00:33 |
| MinceR | i've found it's easier to move tabs to bookmarks if i can determine the scroll percentage via the Scroll Progress extension and write it into the title | Apr 20 00:33 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/basic-linux-3-is-lean-and-mean.png | Apr 20 00:34 |
| msb | I have plenty more memory, but I think ff constantly cycles thru all the tabs and goes nuts if there are too many, | Apr 20 00:34 |
| cubezzz | 16 megs baby :) | Apr 20 00:35 |
| cubezzz | you want more colour? | Apr 20 00:36 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/linux-486.jpg | Apr 20 00:36 |
| MinceR | icewm is nice :) | Apr 20 00:36 |
| cubezzz | I'm pretty sure even BL3 could be improved upon | Apr 20 00:38 |
| msb | I keep leaving pages in tabs to look at later, but I forget to. | Apr 20 00:38 |
| MinceR | i did that a lot | Apr 20 00:39 |
| MinceR | especially if i have already read part of it | Apr 20 00:39 |
| MinceR | i figured i could save them to files and print them to pdfs and let my pdf reader remember where i scrolled them | Apr 20 00:40 |
| MinceR | but it was too much work so i didn't really do it | Apr 20 00:40 |
| MinceR | Scroll Progress makes it a lot easier :) | Apr 20 00:40 |
| msb | good for lots of text in a page! | Apr 20 00:41 |
| msb | Tablet in the pocket with lots of RAM and SDRAM, running Linux, HUD and chord-keyboard or sensor gloves. Wow, this could be doable right now! | Apr 20 00:44 |
| msb | How much do those good HUD glasses cost? | Apr 20 00:45 |
| MinceR | dunno | Apr 20 00:45 |
| MinceR | many of them aren't even for sale yet | Apr 20 00:45 |
| msb | Are there any tablets that run regular x86 Linux instead of ARM? | Apr 20 00:46 |
| MinceR | well, the ThinkPad X Series Tablets can do that and are x86 | Apr 20 00:47 |
| MinceR | but they're on the heavy side | Apr 20 00:47 |
| msb | Of course there's the problem of batteries. | Apr 20 00:47 |
| MinceR | there's this >> http://linuxgizmos.com/kids-tablet-runs-android-4-4-on-64-bit-intel-atom/ | Apr 20 00:48 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Kids tablet runs Android 4.4 on 64-bit Intel Atom · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/h4god ] | Apr 20 00:48 | |
| MinceR | but i don't know if it can run GNU and X | Apr 20 00:48 |
| MinceR | there's the ThinkPad Helix but i don't know if it will run GNU and X | Apr 20 00:50 |
| cubezzz | there was a zaurus that ran X | Apr 20 00:51 |
| msb | Have you guys seen this movie? http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0280674/combined | Apr 20 00:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | The First $20 Million Is Always the Hardest (2002) [ http://ur1.ca/h4gow ] | Apr 20 00:51 | |
| MinceR | there was also the series of nokia "internet tablets" (sized like pdas) | Apr 20 00:51 |
| MinceR | not yet | Apr 20 00:51 |
| cubezzz | I think SL-700 and higher | Apr 20 00:51 |
| msb | Fictional, but has some good hacking and innovative I/O. Definitely worth watching. | Apr 20 00:52 |
| msb | Laser hologram display with finger tracking when you stick you finger in the hologram. | Apr 20 00:53 |
| msb | And sensor gloves on a different machine. | Apr 20 00:53 |
| cubezzz | just put motion sensors on your finger tips | Apr 20 00:53 |
| MinceR | you might also need force feedback | Apr 20 00:54 |
| cubezzz | it's interesting the touch screen desk from Tron never appeared | Apr 20 00:54 |
| cubezzz | as far as I know | Apr 20 00:55 |
| msb | doesn't ms have some kind of touchscreen desk? | Apr 20 00:55 |
| MinceR | they (and others) have touchscreen tables | Apr 20 00:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leveraging Cloud, Open Source To Aid Embattled | Apr 20 00:55 |
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| cubezzz | Microsoft == Encom? :) | Apr 20 00:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leveraging Cloud, Open Source To Aid Embattled IT | Tux Machines | Apr 20 00:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/W18gQ8BMVQ | Apr 20 00:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Apr 20 00:56 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/sQl7ORZXwH | Apr 20 00:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Software | Tux Machines | Apr 20 00:56 | |
| cubezzz | I guess Microsoft is evil enough to be the MCP | Apr 20 00:57 |
| msb | To want to be, at least. | Apr 20 00:57 |
| cubezzz | there's the Optimus Tactus | Apr 20 00:59 |
| cubezzz | no restrictions on keyboard size or shape | Apr 20 01:00 |
| msb | There was a two-player game in BASIC like that motorcycle-make-walls game in TRON. | Apr 20 01:00 |
| cubezzz | http://www.artlebedev.com/everything/optimus/tactus/ | Apr 20 01:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.artlebedev.com | Optimus Tactus keyboard [ http://ur1.ca/916ki ] | Apr 20 01:00 | |
| cubezzz | all those types of games derived from Atari Dominos | Apr 20 01:02 |
| msb | I might have programmed the one in BASIC, called it SNAKES. Very simple to program. | Apr 20 01:03 |
| cubezzz | sorry, there's an earlier one... Blockade by Gremlin, 1976 | Apr 20 01:07 |
| cubezzz | also ksnakerace :) | Apr 20 01:08 |
| msb | I didn't say I invented it. 8^) | Apr 20 01:09 |
| cubezzz | no, I realize that | Apr 20 01:09 |
| cubezzz | I just meant Blockade predates Dominos | Apr 20 01:09 |
| cubezzz | I'm sure many people have programmed a snake type game | Apr 20 01:10 |
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| MinceR | that was the m$ munchkin from last time | Apr 20 02:32 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 20 02:37 |
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| SilverSlimer | So why are we boycotting Novell? (other than the fact that its products are generally awful) | Apr 20 02:55 |
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| Working | What do you guys talk about here? | Apr 20 03:48 |
| Working | Hello? | Apr 20 03:49 |
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| schestowitz_bed2 | [03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> @qu1j0t3 Maddow covers the Sagebrush Rebellion. | Apr 20 07:55 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | [03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> #MustWatch Some of the craziest shit I've ever | Apr 20 07:55 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | [03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> seen from USA #ThatsSayingALot | Apr 20 07:55 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | [03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> http://t.co/DLxUJ9BxAa | Apr 20 07:55 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | [03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> @qu1j0t3 Maddow covers the Sagebrush Rebellion. | Apr 20 07:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-video.msnbc.msn.com | Threat of armed conflict subdues in Nevada - Video on NBCNews.com | Apr 20 07:55 | |
| schestowitz_bed2 | [03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> #MustWatch Some of the craziest shit I've ever | Apr 20 07:55 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | [03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> seen from USA #ThatsSayingALot | Apr 20 07:55 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | [03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> http://t.co/DLxUJ9BxAa | Apr 20 07:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Create Vector Graphics with Open Source | Apr 20 07:59 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD Is Disabling DPM Support For RV770 GPUs | Apr 20 07:59 |
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| schestowitz | I finally know why files were being deleted from my server: https://drupal.org/node/277589 | Apr 20 10:24 |
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| schestowitz | What a bizarre thing to be doing | Apr 20 10:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/reactos/status/457811220952014848 | Apr 20 10:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@reactos: ImagineIfMercedesBeganSueingFordBecauseThey"copied"TheWhole"Car"Concept.I'veRemovedTheSpaceBarFromMyPCJustinCase.@DrTuxWang @schestowitz | Apr 20 10:30 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.tweaktown.com/news/37149/heat-seeking-drones-are-getting-the-420-on-weed-in-the-uk/index.html | Apr 20 10:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tweaktown.com | Heat-seeking drones are getting the 420 on weed in the UK [ http://ur1.ca/h4k44 ] | Apr 20 10:35 | |
| schestowitz | http://freepressjournal.in/not-planning-to-take-over-alaska-jokes-putin/ | Apr 20 10:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freepressjournal.in | Not planning to take over Alaska, jokes Putin - Free Press Journal [ http://ur1.ca/h4k78 ] | Apr 20 10:53 | |
| schestowitz | LOL: http://www.govexec.com/management/2014/04/analysis-we-need-more-secrecy/82798/?oref=dropdown | Apr 20 11:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.govexec.com | Analysis: We Need More Secrecy - Management - GovExec.com [ http://ur1.ca/h4kao ] | Apr 20 11:16 | |
| schestowitz | reducing incenstive to theft at the expense of tech rights in phones http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/180845-carriers-commit-to-kill-switches-by-2015-but-ruin-implementation-to-protect-profit | Apr 20 11:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.extremetech.com | Carriers commit to kill switches by 2015, but ruin implementation to protect profit | ExtremeTech [ http://ur1.ca/h4kb6 ] | Apr 20 11:18 | |
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| msb__ | People suspect that the real purpose of the cell-phone kill switch is to allow government to erase witness evidence of police brutality and other govt abuses: http://www.activistpost.com/2014/04/kill-switch-included-on-all-cell-phones.html | Apr 20 11:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.activistpost.com | Activist Post: ‘Kill Switch’ Included on All Cell Phones Made in U.S. by 2015 [ http://ur1.ca/h49ne ] | Apr 20 11:54 | |
| msb__ | Look at this video of the Bundy ranch protest (1.3 million views). Many people are holding up little black objects. Those are cell phones on which they're recording and witnessing the actions of the soldiers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhJ6H9vlEDA | Apr 20 12:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Ranch Riot!! Bundy Ranch Protesters Tasered by Federal Agents and Attacked by K9's. - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/h4km7 ] | Apr 20 12:11 | |
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| MinceR | https://plus.google.com/+jwildeboer/posts/RCw6yMuwzhB | Apr 20 15:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-plus.google.com | Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - Everybody remember the port 32764 backdoor in various… [ http://ur1.ca/h4llj ] | Apr 20 15:20 | |
| Sosumi | the guys from the ufaa seem to also be targeting bill gates | Apr 20 16:09 |
| Sosumi | http://images.gasbuddy.com/images/blogimages/20120118124442toll.jpg | Apr 20 16:09 |
| Sosumi | bill gates | Apr 20 16:09 |
| Sosumi | if you go through one of those | Apr 20 16:09 |
| Sosumi | you get billed | Apr 20 16:09 |
| MinceR | i see what you did there | Apr 20 16:09 |
| Sosumi | :) | Apr 20 16:10 |
| Sosumi | let me see if I can find the tweet | Apr 20 16:11 |
| Sosumi | https://twitter.com/TaxWallStParty/status/457579582363688960 | Apr 20 16:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TaxWallStParty: A vote for #Hillary is a vote for #gates! http://t.co/we3Lw9PXBv #Gates We can do much better! #p2 #jobs #equality http://t.co/7ydvzDUj4z | Apr 20 16:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@EmperorBill: @GetUpStandUp2 @MSGunderson @ThePiercedBear @lapham_katie @McFiredogg Surprise! A vote for #Hillary is a vote for me! http://t.co/e6t5WflTLz | Apr 20 16:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> againstausterity.org | Welcome | United Front Against Austerity | Apr 20 16:12 | |
| MinceR | why is a vote for hillarious a vote for gate$? | Apr 20 16:15 |
| Sosumi | no idea | Apr 20 16:15 |
| Sosumi | I guess I need to update myself again in US politricks | Apr 20 16:17 |
| MinceR | tell me when you know | Apr 20 16:17 |
| Sosumi | yeah | Apr 20 16:17 |
| cubezzz | politicians suck up to Gates | Apr 20 16:27 |
| MinceR | and they're bought by gates | Apr 20 16:27 |
| cubezzz | "How should we run our schools Mr Gates?" | Apr 20 16:27 |
| Sosumi | ho yes the charter schools thing | Apr 20 16:28 |
| MinceR | What Do You Want Us To Buy Today?™ | Apr 20 16:28 |
| cubezzz | well these days it's windows 8.1 :-/ | Apr 20 16:28 |
| Sosumi | bill and mellinda gates foundation is a heavy supporter of those | Apr 20 16:28 |
| Sosumi | windows 8.1 is actually good | Apr 20 16:29 |
| MinceR | for me to poop on | Apr 20 16:29 |
| Sosumi | if you're DrPizza_ | Apr 20 16:29 |
| Sosumi | :) | Apr 20 16:29 |
| cubezzz | oh yeah and that secure boot thingie is great | Apr 20 16:30 |
| Sosumi | love it | Apr 20 16:30 |
| cubezzz | plus not having source code, that's the cherry on top | Apr 20 16:30 |
| Sosumi | and I love it more when I update my mobo's firmware I lose the boot pointer for the OS | Apr 20 16:31 |
| Sosumi | forcing me to reinstall grub | Apr 20 16:31 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/secure-boot.txt | Apr 20 16:31 |
| Sosumi | but that doesn't happen with windows | Apr 20 16:31 |
| cubezzz | hmmm, I can't say I've ever had that happen | Apr 20 16:33 |
| Sosumi | I just wish the ppl responsible for that | Apr 20 16:33 |
| Sosumi | just got run over by a car | Apr 20 16:33 |
| Sosumi | or had a ton of angry cats fall on top of them | Apr 20 16:33 |
| Sosumi | duno | Apr 20 16:33 |
| cubezzz | there's some talk of using secure boot to lock out windows | Apr 20 16:34 |
| Sosumi | lock out windows? | Apr 20 16:35 |
| Sosumi | isn't it locking out gnu/linux | Apr 20 16:35 |
| cubezzz | one replaces microsoft's cryptographic keys that ship with windows 8 and then sign only the software the user wants to run on their machine | Apr 20 16:36 |
| Sosumi | I've been saying that all along | Apr 20 16:36 |
| Sosumi | let the user sign and backup the keys/bios settings to an usb flash disk | Apr 20 16:37 |
| cubezzz | so far you can turn off secure boot | Apr 20 16:39 |
| cubezzz | but your idea is good | Apr 20 16:39 |
| cubezzz | I know my bios settings well, so saving them isn't a big deal | Apr 20 16:39 |
| cubezzz | I sometimes switch between linux and freedos | Apr 20 16:40 |
| cubezzz | now, if I could have "set bios settings for freedos" and "set bios settings for linux" that would be cool | Apr 20 16:41 |
| Sosumi | yep | Apr 20 16:43 |
| cubezzz | there's a coreboot utility called nvramtool that may be able to do that | Apr 20 16:43 |
| Sosumi | that could be called bios profiles | Apr 20 16:44 |
| Sosumi | another way is to use a board with two bioses | Apr 20 16:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Safety you can bank on: Chromebook, Linux, | Apr 20 16:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | phone http://t.co/JcC3HkRtFx | Apr 20 16:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h4mqq | Apr 20 16:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Safety you can bank on: Chromebook, Linux, phone | Tux Machines | Apr 20 16:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Adobe's Open Source Tightrope Walk | Apr 20 16:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/W1LJi7B0WH | Apr 20 16:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h4mqr | Apr 20 16:45 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Adobe's Open Source Tightrope Walk | Tux Machines | Apr 20 16:45 | |
| Sosumi | no, absolutely not | Apr 20 16:46 |
| Sosumi | you can't bank your safety on a chromebook | Apr 20 16:46 |
| Sosumi | unless you've installed a regular gnu/linux distro on it | Apr 20 16:46 |
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| cubezzz | there's also some coreboot support for chromebooks | Apr 20 16:52 |
| cubezzz | in fact, I think they all come with coreboot built-in except for the first 3 models | Apr 20 16:53 |
| Sosumi | no idea | Apr 20 16:53 |
| cubezzz | it looks promising and google does seem to like coreboot | Apr 20 16:55 |
| cubezzz | I'll have to try it sometime | Apr 20 16:56 |
| schestowitz | http://indiandefence.com/threads/will-china-use-russian-style-tactics-to-settle-territorial-disputes-in-asia.45782/ | Apr 20 17:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-indiandefence.com | Will China Use Russian-Style Tactics to Settle Territorial Disputes in Asia? | Indian Defence Forum [ http://ur1.ca/h4n30 ] | Apr 20 17:05 | |
| schestowitz | [16:27] <cubezzz> politicians suck up to Gates | Apr 20 17:06 |
| schestowitz | They have a sixth sense for potential (future) bribes | Apr 20 17:07 |
| schestowitz | They rely on people like Gates funding them for Office | Apr 20 17:07 |
| gulag2014 | You have articles on these Bribes? I'm not doubting you, but this is a brand new low for MS corp. | Apr 20 17:08 |
| cubezzz | http://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=364 | Apr 20 17:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.corporatewatch.org | Microsoft : Influence / Lobbying | Apr 20 17:10 | |
| cubezzz | call it subverting democracy if you prefer :) | Apr 20 17:11 |
| cubezzz | "The Initiative for Software Choice" | Apr 20 17:12 |
| gulag2014 | Simply amazing, thank you. As if I needed another reason to boycott. I have a few files that just don't display well in other office suites. I'm actively looking for replacements. | Apr 20 17:14 |
| cubezzz | campaign donations were "stepped up" 1999-2000 | Apr 20 17:14 |
| cubezzz | I've talked to some former microsoft guys | Apr 20 17:15 |
| cubezzz | some are openingly blogging against their former employer | Apr 20 17:15 |
| schestowitz | that's a good sign | Apr 20 17:16 |
| schestowitz | they're sort of defecting | Apr 20 17:16 |
| schestowitz | and this can shift public opinion | Apr 20 17:16 |
| cubezzz | some are yes | Apr 20 17:17 |
| schestowitz | I was shown that even MS Jack started ptromoting non-MS products | Apr 20 17:17 |
| cubezzz | those without stock options and low on the totem pole :) | Apr 20 17:17 |
| gulag2014 | There must be censorship attempts. I read a few weeks back MS was paying Youtube personalities to post good reviews for the Xbox One. | Apr 20 17:17 |
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| gulag2014 | MS Jack? | Apr 20 17:18 |
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| cubezzz | microsoft should have been broken up | Apr 20 17:20 |
| cubezzz | someone pulled some serious strings there | Apr 20 17:20 |
| gulag2014 | I was listening to the "Mike Tech Show" earlier. He mentioned they neglected to add a print function to the Ipad version of Office. You would have to save it to one drive and print to another device. How do release software missing such a basic feature? | Apr 20 17:21 |
| cubezzz | everything came to a head on June 7, 2000 | Apr 20 17:21 |
| gulag2014 | I know that is trivial, it's just another example of releasing half baked products. | Apr 20 17:21 |
| cubezzz | they were really going to do it | Apr 20 17:22 |
| cubezzz | broken into two units: one to produce the operating system and one to produce other software | Apr 20 17:22 |
| cubezzz | the US Sumpreme Court declined to hear Microsoft's appeal | Apr 20 17:23 |
| cubezzz | so it went back to the DC circuit court of appeals | Apr 20 17:23 |
| cubezzz | which overturned Judge Jackson's rulings against Microsoft | Apr 20 17:23 |
| cubezzz | so on Sept 6, 2001 the DOJ announces that Microsoft will not be broken up | Apr 20 17:24 |
| gulag2014 | I wasn't aware of that. What interest would it be of the United States Government to keep MS as one entity? | Apr 20 17:25 |
| MinceR | breaking up might not be sufficient | Apr 20 17:25 |
| MinceR | especially considering how tightly entwined with each other the parts are | Apr 20 17:25 |
| cubezzz | it would have helped :) | Apr 20 17:25 |
| MinceR | they'd just have one part hack everything up and package it in dlls and then all the other parts just put loaders on it | Apr 20 17:26 |
| MinceR | (like iexplore.exe) | Apr 20 17:26 |
| MinceR | but it would probably be a step in the right direction | Apr 20 17:26 |
| cubezzz | some folks argue that "the market should decide" | Apr 20 17:26 |
| cubezzz | that's basically what we have | Apr 20 17:27 |
| MinceR | maybe m$ should let the market decide, then | Apr 20 17:27 |
| MinceR | instead of forcing it | Apr 20 17:27 |
| cubezzz | of course the Big M manipulates all the OEMs, yes | Apr 20 17:27 |
| cubezzz | the DOJ screwed up royally | Apr 20 17:27 |
| msb__ | And manipulates the public with lying ads. | Apr 20 17:28 |
| MinceR | and bribes governments | Apr 20 17:28 |
| cubezzz | bribes or lobby's | Apr 20 17:29 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initiative_for_Software_Choice | Apr 20 17:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Initiative for Software Choice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h4nhg ] | Apr 20 17:30 | |
| gulag2014 | So what do you think MS next big plan would be. Cloud services with everyones data stored with them, subscription models for even the Operating System? | Apr 20 17:31 |
| cubezzz | gulag2014, naturally | Apr 20 17:31 |
| cubezzz | they're running microsoft cloud commercials on broadcast television right now | Apr 20 17:31 |
| gulag2014 | Oh, haha. I don't watch tv. | Apr 20 17:32 |
| cubezzz | Perens talks about ISC | Apr 20 17:32 |
| cubezzz | that kicked in around 2002 | Apr 20 17:32 |
| gulag2014 | I watched there last tech conference it was all about innovations in services. Not much was mentioned about adding any value to the "User" | Apr 20 17:32 |
| msb__ | Maybe they'll go thru the cloud data and blackmail people if they're, e.g., closeted gay, like Scientology does. | Apr 20 17:33 |
| gulag2014 | That is a scary possibility, but they promise not to read anymore of your e-mails. | Apr 20 17:34 |
| Sosumi | https://twitter.com/charlescwcooke/status/457911456634122240 | Apr 20 17:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@charlescwcooke: I wrote a cover story on Michael Mann for National Review. "The Climate Inquisitor." http://t.co/dehWMps3Ps | Apr 20 17:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@charlescwcooke: I wrote a cover story on Michael Mann for National Review. "The Climate Inquisitor." http://t.co/dehWMps3Ps | Apr 20 17:34 | |
| Sosumi | got to love the cover | Apr 20 17:34 |
| MinceR | and we already know how much their promises mean | Apr 20 17:34 |
| MinceR | *and we already know how much their promises are worth | Apr 20 17:34 |
| cubezzz | it's worth it to follow Perens and Moglen, they know the score | Apr 20 17:34 |
| Sosumi | leprechaun in the hood, when we are bad, we are good | Apr 20 17:35 |
| cubezzz | Edgar Villanueva proposed standardizing on free software | Apr 20 17:36 |
| cubezzz | e.g. the government shouldn't use propretary software since everyone has to deal with the government | Apr 20 17:37 |
| cubezzz | e.g. government web sites shouldn't be IE only | Apr 20 17:37 |
| gulag2014 | Give an example? I have never had any issues. Not that I frequent government websites for entertainment. | Apr 20 17:40 |
| cubezzz | well this is a small example but a while ago I had to pay a parking ticket | Apr 20 17:41 |
| cubezzz | the municipal web site for paying parking tickets was IE only | Apr 20 17:41 |
| cubezzz | even if you used windows with firefox it wouldn't work :) | Apr 20 17:41 |
| cubezzz | but I'm in Canada and so far the federal government web sites seem OK | Apr 20 17:42 |
| gulag2014 | That's interesting. I do remember my state unemployment site asking for IE. | Apr 20 17:42 |
| msb__ | What if you just change the browser ID strings so it says IE? Will that work? | Apr 20 17:44 |
| msb__ | strings--> string | Apr 20 17:44 |
| gulag2014 | My understanding is the site is written for certain browser. I think there was a company that would charged people more if they continued using any Version of IE under 8, to pay for the extra time. | Apr 20 17:46 |
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| cubezzz | in the case of the parking ticket changing the browser ID string didn't work | Apr 20 18:09 |
| cubezzz | I don't see it happen often these days | Apr 20 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | Google finally has me using Chrome as my main browser. | Apr 20 18:10 |
| DaemonFC | It's just a little too convenient when you have a bunch of other Google devices... :) | Apr 20 18:10 |
| gulag2014 | Oh the horror, yes if you live in the Google Universe, I would bet Chrome is quite useful. It is nice to have all your bookmarks synced. | Apr 20 18:14 |
| cubezzz | I reject cloud computing | Apr 20 18:15 |
| gulag2014 | I use it sparingly. | Apr 20 18:16 |
| cubezzz | in the past computers were expensive, hence time sharing was necessary | Apr 20 18:17 |
| gulag2014 | I do remember, and disk space was expensive. What are we up to now, 6 Tb drives? | Apr 20 18:18 |
| DaemonFC | I use it to share pictures and move my documents to the library computer to be printed. | Apr 20 18:19 |
| cubezzz | in 1990 I had a 52 meg drive | Apr 20 18:19 |
| DaemonFC | They have a no thumbdrive policy. | Apr 20 18:19 |
| cubezzz | now I have a bunch of 40 gig ones | Apr 20 18:20 |
| cubezzz | but I use old tech a lot, so I'm atypical :) | Apr 20 18:20 |
| gulag2014 | I don't keep up with gadgets they way I used to. The biggest improvement for me has been SSD drives. I have avoided having to buy a new machine with one upgrade. | Apr 20 18:22 |
| cubezzz | you can get a ssd, 240 gigs | Apr 20 18:22 |
| cubezzz | for around 100 bucks | Apr 20 18:22 |
| gulag2014 | They are finally coming down. I was happy when it was $1 a gig. | Apr 20 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | That's the big problem with a Chromebook. | Apr 20 18:23 |
| gulag2014 | Maybe I can hold out and get a 500 for $100 in a few years. | Apr 20 18:23 |
| DaemonFC | Great computers, but Google decided to not support normal printers. | Apr 20 18:24 |
| gulag2014 | You can't use a normal network printer on Chromebooks? | Apr 20 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | You have to either buy a Google Cloud Print compatible printer, or install some Windows or Mac software and let them send the print job to your desktop computer. | Apr 20 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Apr 20 18:24 |
| cubezzz | I'm sort of a computing minimalist, I've done a lot of work trying to figure out how to run linux in low memory systems | Apr 20 18:24 |
| gulag2014 | What is that Google Cloud Print about? | Apr 20 18:24 |
| DaemonFC | I like the Chromebook in general though. | Apr 20 18:24 |
| *cubezzz pats his dot matrix :) | Apr 20 18:25 | |
| DaemonFC | gulag2014: Instead of using CUPS and supporting regular printer drivers, the Chromebook and Android phones send the print job to Google, which sends it back over the internet to a compatible printer. | Apr 20 18:25 |
| gulag2014 | I liked the keyboard on the chromebook I played with. I had intentions on putting a light linux distro on one eventually. | Apr 20 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | That way, you have to share all your print jobs with Google and probably buy a new printer as well. | Apr 20 18:25 |
| DaemonFC | It's pretty bogus. | Apr 20 18:26 |
| gulag2014 | I don't like that idea of sending my print jobs to G at all. | Apr 20 18:26 |
| cubezzz | and no parallel port I'd assume? | Apr 20 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | of course not | Apr 20 18:26 |
| cubezzz | :) | Apr 20 18:26 |
| DaemonFC | If you try hooking up a normal printer through USB, the Chromebook opens a browser tab that loads a page that advertises Cloud Print. | Apr 20 18:26 |
| gulag2014 | Well can you save the file to usb, and print on a printer with a usb input? | Apr 20 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. I don't see why not. | Apr 20 18:27 |
| cubezzz | bah, just replace the os | Apr 20 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | I hate buying printer ink. | Apr 20 18:27 |
| gulag2014 | Haha... | Apr 20 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | I just upload the documents to Google Drive and then print them off at the library. | Apr 20 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | It's still only 10 cents a page for black and white, and 20 cents for color. | Apr 20 18:27 |
| DaemonFC | It's a public library, so they don't have to operate at a profit. :) | Apr 20 18:28 |
| gulag2014 | I stopped buying printer ink. It's not worth it, because I just don't print often enough. I'm fine paying ten cents a page somewhere else. | Apr 20 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. I only have a few print jobs per year. | Apr 20 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | I probably pay the library less than $4 a year to print stuff. | Apr 20 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | They're like a block away from my house. | Apr 20 18:28 |
| DaemonFC | Printer ink is outrageously expensive. | Apr 20 18:29 |
| gulag2014 | It's $60 dollars for the ink for my Canon, I paid $80 for the printer. | Apr 20 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah... | Apr 20 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | And HP printer cartridges have a time bomb built in. | Apr 20 18:29 |
| cubezzz | wow that sounds like a great deal | Apr 20 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | After several months, they won't print and they trigger an "out of ink" message. | Apr 20 18:29 |
| gulag2014 | I still use it to scan stuff, other than that, I would have donated it. | Apr 20 18:29 |
| Sosumi | laser printers are the way to go | Apr 20 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | They might have 90% of the ink left and they'll say "Out of ink". | Apr 20 18:29 |
| DaemonFC | It's a major fucking ripoff designed to make you buy ink cartridges every so often, no matter how much or little you print. | Apr 20 18:30 |
| gulag2014 | My printer won't allow me to print grayscale without the other color cartridges. That rots of greed. | Apr 20 18:30 |
| DaemonFC | HP lets you print black and white with the tricolor cartridge. | Apr 20 18:31 |
| gulag2014 | Agreed, Laser printers if I ever buy a new one. | Apr 20 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | But black looks better if you have a black ink cartridge as well. | Apr 20 18:31 |
| cubezzz | IBM 3203 printer example: | Apr 20 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | also, most of them have anti-refill technology | Apr 20 18:31 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/vm-sp-with-rexx.jpg | Apr 20 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | HP's time bomb keeps you from refilling them | Apr 20 18:31 |
| DaemonFC | after like 6 months, they just refuse to print anything, even if you have original ink left in them | Apr 20 18:32 |
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| gulag2014 | They all have rfid chips or some mechanism to avoid, fake cartridges now right? | Apr 20 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | They realized that people were spending $5 to refill instead of $60 for new cartridges. | Apr 20 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | So they put a stop to that. :P | Apr 20 18:32 |
| DaemonFC | gulag2014: They have a chip in them that records the day of the first print job. | Apr 20 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | After so many days, the printer will stop allowing you to use that cartridge. | Apr 20 18:33 |
| gulag2014 | My goodness. Unbelievable | Apr 20 18:33 |
| DaemonFC | I found that out when I had half a carttridge of ink left and the printer kept throwing "out of ink", "buy more here". | Apr 20 18:34 |
| gulag2014 | Buy more here, haha. The HP software brings you to their website | Apr 20 18:34 |
| cubezzz | HP used to be good | Apr 20 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | gulag2014: Yeah. It even gives you a clickable link in the error message. | Apr 20 18:34 |
| DaemonFC | So, the library is a better deal all the time. | Apr 20 18:35 |
| DaemonFC | Every time the printer companies find a new way to fuck you. | Apr 20 18:35 |
| gulag2014 | Unreal, I hated HP on my Windows 7 box. It loaded so much useless bloat. Linux network printing and no bloatware. | Apr 20 18:35 |
| gulag2014 | I have spent more time fighting with HP printers for friends and family, than I have with virus removal. | Apr 20 18:36 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. Their Windows driver is awful. | Apr 20 18:37 |
| DaemonFC | The driver itself is only like 10-15 MB....something like that. | Apr 20 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | But, it installs several hundred MB of shovelware and trial crap. | Apr 20 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | It takes about an hour to install it. | Apr 20 18:38 |
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| gulag2014 | Right! So why is the download suite like 300 mb + | Apr 20 18:38 |
| DaemonFC | gulag2014: Mostly because of Windows XP. | Apr 20 18:38 |
| cubezzz | right, why would you want to use windows again? | Apr 20 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | XP didn't have any built in software to take advantage of all-in-one printers. | Apr 20 18:39 |
| DaemonFC | Well, it did, sort of, but it reflects where those were in 2001. | Apr 20 18:39 |
| gulag2014 | Exactly, I don't miss HP software, that you can never remove. Nagging Java and Flash updates. | Apr 20 18:39 |
| cubezzz | it's not even that hard to write a printer or scanner program | Apr 20 18:39 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3953930 | Apr 20 18:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Zero-hours contracts cause shopworkers' misery http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/19/zero-hours-contracts-flexible-working one strike and you're out (-1). #classwarfare #uk | Apr 20 18:40 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Been there. I went from 45 hours to 8 and full shifts to half hour bits and pieces around the place. The solution is to quit and look for a proper job, not complain about the one you're free to walk away from with two weeks notice." | Apr 20 18:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com | Supermarket shifts 'cause anxiety and insecurity' | UK news | The Observer | Apr 20 18:40 | |
| DaemonFC | So, the printer makers had to include software that made up for deficiencies in Windows. Especially, Windows XP. | Apr 20 18:40 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft just tries to take advantage of lazy non-thinking people | Apr 20 18:40 |
| DaemonFC | On GNU/Linux, the HP printer bundle isn't very big, and you don't have to use bloatware to access the functionality of the printer. | Apr 20 18:40 |
| schestowitz__ | We seem to have a problem when companies like WalMartASDA race to the bottom, taking the rest with them | Apr 20 18:40 |
| gulag2014 | I had my friend printing in two minutes when I installed Mint on his system. | Apr 20 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | I believe that on GNU/Linux, the bundle is under 30 MB and it supports almost every HP printer that connects over USB, | Apr 20 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | I was using the hplip bundle with an HP printer I bought in 2002 until just a couple of years ago. | Apr 20 18:41 |
| DaemonFC | I think that part of the problem that Cloud Print is designed to work around is that some printer makers don't offer GNU/Linux drivers at all. | Apr 20 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | and Chrome OS is a variant of GNU/Linux | Apr 20 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | So, Canon printers, for example.... Those might not work. | Apr 20 18:42 |
| DaemonFC | So, instead of explaining why HP printers are supported, but Canon isn't, we have Cloud Print instead. | Apr 20 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | I don't like Cloud Print, because I don't want to buy a new printer. | Apr 20 18:43 |
| DaemonFC | They could have supported traditional printer setups that have GNU/Linux drivers, and sent the user to Cloud Print if they didn't have a good printer. | Apr 20 18:44 |
| gulag2014 | Are you using the Chromebook now? | Apr 20 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | Not right now. | Apr 20 18:44 |
| DaemonFC | They have an IRC client that it built on top of Chrome, but it's not real good. | Apr 20 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | It works... | Apr 20 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose there's no reason why it couldn't be fully-featured though. | Apr 20 18:45 |
| DaemonFC | With further development, it might be. | Apr 20 18:45 |
| gulag2014 | Oh, Well I'm surprised they attempted to include one. So have you investigate installing Ubuntu or another distro on it? | Apr 20 18:46 |
| DaemonFC | They don't. It's called CIRC, and it's in the chrome store. | Apr 20 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | I believe it is open source though. | Apr 20 18:47 |
| DaemonFC | You *can* install Ubuntu or Fedora on the Acer C720, but it doesn't have much storage on the SSD, because it's meant to run Chrome OS, which doesn't need a lot of storage. | Apr 20 18:48 |
| gulag2014 | I hate to say this, but anything that takes money away from MS is a great start. I'm not a huge fan of android or the Chromebook, but It's a start. | Apr 20 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | You can put it in developer mode and boot a real GNU/Linux distribution from the USB drive though. | Apr 20 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | It has a USB 3 and a USB 2 port. | Apr 20 18:48 |
| DaemonFC | You could buy a USB 3 thumbdrive and boot Fedora from there without disturbing Chrome OS. | Apr 20 18:49 |
| cubezzz | I hacked up some chromebook info here: | Apr 20 18:49 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/chromebook-prices.txt | Apr 20 18:49 |
| gulag2014 | Yes, I don't even have usb 3. That is one of the features that intrigued me on such an affordable device. | Apr 20 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | The good part about the C720 is that you can get it on refurb for about $150. | Apr 20 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | I got $5 worth of points on my Amazon credit card for that, so it works out to $145 for mine. | Apr 20 18:49 |
| DaemonFC | I also got my cable modem/router on Amazon because the price cratered. | Apr 20 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | Only $99, and I got my triple points on that too. | Apr 20 18:50 |
| gulag2014 | That is extremely affordable. I just may hold out and see what System 76's offerings are a year from now. | Apr 20 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | I had to go to Comcast's Fort Wayne office to drop off their modem. | Apr 20 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | It looked like the welfare office from Cheech and Chong's Up in Smoke. | Apr 20 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | It was pretty nasty. | Apr 20 18:51 |
| gulag2014 | Oh good. What are the rental fees now. Last I heard it was $7 dollars a month. | Apr 20 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | $8 a month | Apr 20 18:51 |
| DaemonFC | So, you pay $99 once for the Netgear N450 or you pay $8 a month forever. | Apr 20 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | It seems to work a lot better than Comcast's equipment. | Apr 20 18:52 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't had this one knock me offline once yet. | Apr 20 18:53 |
| gulag2014 | What? Why? I can't justify anyone doing that. Not when you can get a Motorola for $80 on sale. | Apr 20 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | The wifi signal is better. | Apr 20 18:53 |
| cubezzz | gulag2014, you might find this interesting | Apr 20 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | They recommended a Motorola one, but it was going to be about $170 for the one they wanted me to buy. | Apr 20 18:53 |
| DaemonFC | The Motorola had a 3 star certification from Comcast, while the Netgear had a 1 start certification. | Apr 20 18:53 |
| cubezzz | it's a list of all bad stuff from Microsoft I've come across over the years | Apr 20 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | I have yet to experience any problems with the Netgear though. | Apr 20 18:54 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ms-dirtytricks.txt | Apr 20 18:54 |
| gulag2014 | Scummy, complete ignorance of the consumer to do a simple Google search. | Apr 20 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | Cable modem companies hate Comcast certification. | Apr 20 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | One of them was complaining that it's basically just a way to make the time to market so bad that more people rent. | Apr 20 18:54 |
| DaemonFC | and to get money out of them for the privilege of being "certified". | Apr 20 18:55 |
| schestowitz__ | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20140420.png | Apr 20 18:55 |
| gulag2014 | I had no problem for six years with an old Motorola surfboard version one. The modem companies promise great throughput, but if you are not paying for 100 mb's down it doesn't matter. | Apr 20 18:56 |
| gulag2014 | I think the one I own maxes out at 40 mb. I was lucky to get 5, to ten, when I was paying for 15 to 20 down. I had really spotty service with Comcast. | Apr 20 18:57 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast's certification is just a big joke. | Apr 20 18:58 |
| DaemonFC | They brag that all of the equipment they lease out is 3 star certified. | Apr 20 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | Then it crashes, resets itself, knocks you offline.... | Apr 20 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | The Arris gateway they had me using seems to have no quality of service support. | Apr 20 18:59 |
| gulag2014 | I would wake up in he middle of the night to no service. They would place the blame on my router and modem. Even though it worked the other 16 hours of the day perfectly. | Apr 20 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | If you're downloading something, it will take all your bandwidth and you can't do anything else until the download is finished. | Apr 20 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | because their modem isn't smart enough to prioritize other traffic | Apr 20 19:00 |
| gulag2014 | I believe that. They magically have enough bandwith for Netflix, now that Netflix paid them. | Apr 20 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. Their certification process for modems is like the debt rating agencies saying that subprime mortgages were AAA investments. | Apr 20 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | It lets Comcast get these cheap no name modems that are completely terrible, rent them out for $8 a month, and say they're 3 star certified on Comcast's network. | Apr 20 19:01 |
| gulag2014 | So it's just a fraud basically. Ontop of the Dvr you pay a month. When I had tv I would just use a hdhomerun and Windows Media Center. | Apr 20 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-DOCSIS-Cable-Router-N450-100NAS/dp/B00HC0ZDOE | Apr 20 19:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: NETGEAR N450 WiFi DOCSIS 3.0 Cable Modem Router (N450-100NAS): Computers & Accessories [ http://ur1.ca/h4ork ] | Apr 20 19:03 | |
| DaemonFC | Looks like the price went up $20 since I bought mine. | Apr 20 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | Still a better deal than renting though. | Apr 20 19:03 |
| gulag2014 | I asked can I purchase the Dvr? No, you can not. But it's only good on your cable anyway, I don't want to rent anymore. They even charged a rental for the remote. | Apr 20 19:03 |
| gulag2014 | So I went on Ebay and purchased a remote for $4. They looked confused when I returned theirs. | Apr 20 19:04 |
| gulag2014 | Nice, years ago modem/router combos for Cable internet were hard to find. I had separate device for years, I had a few netgear combos crap out on me. | Apr 20 19:06 |
| gulag2014 | I'm sort of electricity conscious, I never liked having several devices on 24 hours a day. Not that it's that expensive. I just don't prefer it. | Apr 20 19:08 |
| DaemonFC | gulag2014: You can buy your own DVR. | Apr 20 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | That gets you out of the equipment rental fee, but not the DVR service fee. | Apr 20 19:12 |
| DaemonFC | As long as the DVR is CableCARD compatible. I think Comcast charges like $1 a month to rent a CableCARD. | Apr 20 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | I believe the DVR rental fee is like $16.99 a month, for each one you are renting. | Apr 20 19:13 |
| gulag2014 | Yes, you are right. I have a cable card feature on my tv, but I believe you loose the program guide. | Apr 20 19:13 |
| DaemonFC | The satellite companies have whole home DVR for $10 a month, which lets you rent one HD-DVR and the rest are just boxes that can stream from the DVR. | Apr 20 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast's equipment rental fees are where all the money is. | Apr 20 19:14 |
| gulag2014 | I have heard that too. Sort of like a slingbox or xbox 360 | Apr 20 19:14 |
| DaemonFC | They probably pay $60-70 per cable gateway because they have bulk buying power. | Apr 20 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | Then they can rent them out for 10 years before they need to be replaced. | Apr 20 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | So they're basically making 10-12 times what the gateway cost them. | Apr 20 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | It's pure profit. | Apr 20 19:15 |
| DaemonFC | They can also jack the rental price up at any time, for the existing equipment that's been sitting in your living room for years. :P | Apr 20 19:16 |
| gulag2014 | I don't care for much on TV anyway. I cut the cord in 2006, had basic cable with comcast, until they started charging $21 dollars just for broadcast channels. | Apr 20 19:16 |
| gulag2014 | I tried Aereo for a month, they allow you to schedule recordings for around $8 a month. I canceled it, I just wasn't watching tv often enough. | Apr 20 19:18 |
| MinceR | 191411 < gulag2014> Oh the horror, yes if you live in the Google Universe, I would bet Chrome is quite useful. It is nice to have all your bookmarks synced. | Apr 20 19:20 |
| MinceR | you can run firefox sync on your own server, afaik | Apr 20 19:21 |
| gulag2014 | I have an interest in that in the future, thanks for the tip. I had read about owncloud. When i get another build started I may convert this pc into a personal server. | Apr 20 19:22 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 20 19:22 |
| gulag2014 | I do have a Google account, begrudgingly. I get a little tense when I noticed I forgot to log out, I realize that all my Youtube searches are being recorded. | Apr 20 19:24 |
| gulag2014 | I managed to survive without Facebook, Twitter, or Google + | Apr 20 19:25 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3951079 | Apr 20 19:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: **Scientology Has a Dirty Little Secret. And L. Ron Hubbard’s Great-Grandson Just Exposed It. | Mobiledia** - http://www.mobiledia.com/news/191386.html | Apr 20 19:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.mobiledia.com | Scientology Has a Dirty Little Secret. And L. Ron Hubbard’s Great-Grandson Just Exposed It. | Mobiledia [ http://ur1.ca/h4d4w ] | Apr 20 19:26 | |
| schestowitz__ | "The only think that legitimates mainstream religions is that they're old, that way you have no way to know their founders first-hand." | Apr 20 19:26 |
| schestowitz__ | "@Cronos - you have some valid point when it comes to the issue with verification ... however, this type of argument is probobly rejectable anyway if we are about to say that "tradition is good because it's old". IMO every tradition which causes some kind of harm to ANYONE is BAD and has to be changed. Most religion [probobly excluding buddhism] have made a lot of harm in this world, as they are exclusive in a sense, that they | Apr 20 19:26 |
| schestowitz__ | EXCLUDE other people who are non-believers from their circle of "friends". Thus all the religious wars, etc." | Apr 20 19:26 |
| cubezzz | the United Church was/is inclusionist | Apr 20 19:31 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3956966 | Apr 20 19:35 |
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| schestowitz__ | "Sir yes dad, Sir!" | Apr 20 19:35 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3956224 | Apr 20 19:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Jolla's Confidence and Marketing Grows Through Monthly OS Updates http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2014/04/15/jollas-confidence-and-marketing-grows-through-monthly-os-updates/ #jolla #linux #nokia | Apr 20 19:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.forbes.com | Jolla's Confidence and Marketing Grows Through Monthly OS Updates - Forbes [ http://ur1.ca/h4p6r ] | Apr 20 19:35 | |
| schestowitz__ | "But not enough to go outside Europe yet." | Apr 20 19:35 |
| schestowitz__ | "So what happened with the China plans? Why were they shelved?" | Apr 20 19:35 |
| schestowitz__ | "Or they weren't? I think Jolla made a deal with some carriers there, but that didn't work out?" | Apr 20 19:35 |
| schestowitz__ | "I'm personally waiting for them to produce a device with normal modem which is not limited to European frequencies." | Apr 20 19:35 |
| schestowitz__ | My wife wants to buy one (UK) | Apr 20 19:35 |
| schestowitz__ | "@Shmerl as I know Jolla aimed also at China from the beginning and they port Sailfish OS for other Android devices and maybe some other company will use sailfish OS on their devices." | Apr 20 19:36 |
| DaemonFC | gulag2014: I just use an antenna. | Apr 20 19:57 |
| DaemonFC | I only wanted the basic channels anyway. Comcast wants $20 a month for that now, which is ridiculous. | Apr 20 19:58 |
| cubezzz | he's missing all the microsoft cloud ads! | Apr 20 19:58 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Chrome Adblock. | Apr 20 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | I do believe that Microsoft has a Onedrive app for Chrome. | Apr 20 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | Google seems to tolerate Microsoft offering apps for Chrome OS and Android. | Apr 20 20:01 |
| DaemonFC | Google has apps for Windows though. | Apr 20 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | That's not like it's an even exchange.... Most people don't use Windows mobile, and most people just ignore the Windows store in Windows 8 and use it like it was Windows 7. | Apr 20 20:05 |
| DaemonFC | Watching Star Trek: Enterprise. :P | Apr 20 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | I got through DS9 last year. | Apr 20 20:08 |
| DaemonFC | The part about the Bell Riots in the 2020s in the United States seemed to be disturbingly possible. | Apr 20 20:09 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3957086 | Apr 20 20:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rocapc@joindiaspora.com: #ukraine #turmoil #live #updates. http://rt.com/news/kiev-clashes-rioters-police-571/ | Apr 20 20:09 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> rt.com | Ukraine turmoil LIVE UPDATES — RT News [ http://ur1.ca/h0srn ] | Apr 20 20:09 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Also i hate the use of the word annexation since in the Crimea people voted to join Russia..." | Apr 20 20:10 |
| DaemonFC | The poor grew so numerous that the rich and middle class decided to round them up and put them in walled slum areas so that they wouldn't have to see them. | Apr 20 20:10 |
| schestowitz__ | The West's intervention led to it. | Apr 20 20:10 |
| schestowitz__ | "The Russians are not going to do anything, but if NATO/USA keep pushing we do not know what could happen..." | Apr 20 20:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Turf/proxy wars, like in Syria | Apr 20 20:10 |
| schestowitz__ | "The west intervened... what do you think would happen if some Russians went to Mexico to destabilize the country, overthrew the government and put some Russian puppets there... and maybe took over some bases..." | Apr 20 20:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Exactly my point | Apr 20 20:18 |
| schestowitz__ | USSR did do some similar stuff in Cuba | Apr 20 20:19 |
| schestowitz__ | http://www.muktware.com/2014/04/steam-controller-may-arrive-year-end/25611 | Apr 20 20:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.muktware.com | Steam controller may not arrive until year end | Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/h4ppt ] | Apr 20 20:24 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3957086 | Apr 20 20:26 |
| schestowitz__ | "Cuba wanted protection against the big enemy, but yes it got a little out of hand to say the least when Khrushchev started bringing in missiles... and i think Ukraine is getting just as dangerous..." | Apr 20 20:26 |
| schestowitz__ | http://www.muktware.com/2014/04/obama-allows-nsa-exploit-security-bugs-like-heartbleed/25558 | Apr 20 20:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.muktware.com | Obama allows NSA to exploit security bugs like Heartbleed | Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/h4pqm ] | Apr 20 20:27 | |
| _Goblin | schestowitz__, we'll defo record tomorrow..... | Apr 20 20:30 |
| _Goblin | just got finished up (RSL v Timbers) | Apr 20 20:30 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3957363 | Apr 20 20:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@silpol@diasp.eu: All sent and received e-mails in #Gmail will be analyzed, says #Google via #ArsTechnica via @bnox http://bit.ly/1iBzkzq #privacy | Apr 20 20:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com | All sent and received e-mails in Gmail will be analyzed, says Google | Ars Technica | Apr 20 20:36 | |
| schestowitz__ | Like Microsoft and yahoo | Apr 20 20:36 |
| schestowitz__ | _Goblin: ok, tomorrow then :-) | Apr 20 20:36 |
| MinceR | i'm Jack's complete lack of surprise | Apr 20 20:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 50 Open Source Replacements for Windows XP | Tux Machines | Apr 20 21:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux & SteamOS Earn The 400 Games Badge | Apr 20 21:55 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines An open source success: EFF ‘awed’ by response | Apr 20 21:55 |
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| DaemonFC | Now I'm on my Chromebook over at mom's. | Apr 20 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | circ isn't so bad | Apr 20 23:13 |
| DaemonFC | I liked Chatzilla for Firefox/Seamonkey more though. | Apr 20 23:13 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3957817 | Apr 21 08:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Links 20/4/2014: EFF FOSS, Easter Drone Strikes, Copyright Industry Fear of Google http://techrights.org/2014/04/20/copyright-industry-fear-of-google/ | Apr 21 08:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Links 20/4/2014: EFF FOSS, Easter Drone Strikes, Copyright Industry Fear of Google | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/h4vyl ] | Apr 21 08:01 | |
| schestowitz__ | "sure is some interesting links." | Apr 21 08:01 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3915306 | Apr 21 08:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Scathing Report Cites ‘Excessive Force’ by #Albuquerque #Police http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/11/us/albuquerque-police-report-justice-department.html | Apr 21 08:05 | |
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| schestowitz__ | "I live in Albuquerque, so this report was welcome. I only hope that the reforms are real. A recent poll showed that only 30% of the population trusts APD." | Apr 21 08:05 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3956456 | Apr 21 08:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #us #police is now using tasers in #protest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhJ6H9vlEDA this is not what tasers were originally justified for. | Apr 21 08:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com | Ranch Riot!! Bundy Ranch Protesters Tasered by Federal Agents and Attacked by K9's. - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/h4km7 ] | Apr 21 08:05 | |
| schestowitz__ | "This is not, strictly speaking, the Tea Party. It's Posse Comitatus, and those who have been tracking right wing groups have repeatedly warned that there will be confrontations such as these. But I do group Posse Comitatus, the Tea Party, and other like groups as authoritarian populists for analytic purposes. They're a very scary bunch of folks, given to Manichean thinking, pretty much with a notion that anyone from far away, who | Apr 21 08:05 |
| schestowitz__ | doesn't look like them, who doesn't act like them, who doesn't live like them, are in some way hostile." | Apr 21 08:05 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HP Chromebook 14 Review – New Chromebook adds | Apr 21 09:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Oracle Linux 6.5 vs. Oracle Linux 7.0 Beta | Apr 21 09:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Oracle Linux 6.5 vs. Oracle Linux 7.0 Beta Benchmarks | Tux Machines | Apr 21 09:29 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Gearbox looking at viability of a Linux version of Borderlands | Tux Machines | Apr 21 09:29 | |
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| msb__ | schestowitz__: Roy, where did you get that quote, about 3 hours ago, starting with "This is not, strictly speaking, the Tea Party. It's Posse Comitatus,"? | Apr 21 11:08 |
| msb__ | Oh, I see, it's from here: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3956456, a comment about the Bundy protest by one David Benfell. | Apr 21 11:13 |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: That quote from Benfell smears and lies about Bundy and the protesters in several ways. They have not said they are connected with either the Tea Party no Posse Comitatus organizations. | Apr 21 11:19 |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: As to being authoritarian, the protestors did not bring guns, tasers, and police dogs to the scene, the federal government did. | Apr 21 11:20 |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: Manichean thinking means belief in right and wrong. | Apr 21 11:21 |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: the last part of the quote "anyone from far away, who doesn't look like them... are in some way hostile." is a vicious lying smear or racism, which AFAICT has never come up in this matter. | Apr 21 11:23 |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: If you want to find attitude and behavior like that on a world-wide scale, look at the US government, invading Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Serbia, and many other nations, and slaughtering many millions of people. | Apr 21 11:25 |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: These subversions, invasions, and mass murders were actually done to destroy socialism, which was diminishing the profits of the ultra-wealthy American businessmen who control the U.S. government. | Apr 21 11:28 |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: But racism was used as a pretext, for example the current War On (Of) Terror, initiated by the 9/11 false-flag operation. If you don't believe it was a false-flag operation, please watch the videos linked here, in order. | Apr 21 11:31 |
| msb__ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911 | Apr 21 11:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Apr 21 11:31 | |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: Please see: http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_Holocaust | Apr 21 11:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone [ http://ur1.ca/g23vd ] | Apr 21 11:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The world's first open source laptop laptop | Apr 21 12:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | crosses halfway mark in crowdfunding. | Apr 21 12:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 21 12:00 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Watch Dogs heading to Linux? | Apr 21 12:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @BigDickStallman @tuxmachines Why aren't you using GNU/Hurd? | Apr 21 12:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Will Korea survive end of Windows XP? | Apr 21 12:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nuclear Dawn Linux support moving out of beta | Apr 21 12:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Embedded tech and use of Linux at the 2014 GPU Technology Conference | Tux Machines | Apr 21 12:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to upgrade from Windows XP to Ubuntu | Apr 21 12:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Watch Dogs heading to Linux? | Tux Machines | Apr 21 12:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Will Korea survive end of Windows XP? | Tux Machines | Apr 21 12:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nuclear Dawn Linux support moving out of beta | Tux Machines | Apr 21 12:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to upgrade from Windows XP to Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Apr 21 12:51 | |
| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/amd-loses-just-20-million-in-first-quarter-2014/ | Apr 21 13:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | AMD loses just $20 million in first quarter 2014 | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/h4ybg ] | Apr 21 13:01 | |
| Sosumi | not bad | Apr 21 13:01 |
| Sosumi | could have been much worse | Apr 21 13:01 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/NoDPIsigma/status/458226586119315456 https://twitter.com/NoDPIsigma/status/458227275088269312 | Apr 21 14:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NoDPIsigma: @schestowitz When teachers use public online social media in the classroom to engage pupils, what do they expect? 1/2 | Apr 21 14:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NoDPIsigma: @schestowitz Pupils have always had rather vindictive attitudes to unpopular teachers, never so public previously tho. 2/2 | Apr 21 14:13 | |
| schestowitz | just doing online what they used to do offline | Apr 21 14:13 |
| MinceR | geekings | Apr 21 14:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458226592838598656 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458226675860647936 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458226767980138496 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458227125737517056 | Apr 21 14:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Peros Banhos atoll's land area is only 3.7mi². Its an important nesting site for Critically Endangered hawksbill turtles. #MPA | Apr 21 14:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Salomon atoll's land area is only 1.37mi², comprised of 11 tiny coral islets; an important forest habitat for coconut crabs. | Apr 21 14:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Diego Garcia atoll has a land area of only 10mi², in a very thin long ribbon around the atoll, partly occupied by the base. | Apr 21 14:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Seabird colonies have as much intrinsic value and right to be and live undisturbed, unpolluted, as human beings. #DeepEcology | Apr 21 14:21 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458228911206584321 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458228977929551872 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458229048419041280 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458229119621541889 | Apr 21 14:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz It is a question of the greater good for all concerned; protection of this unique unspoilt coral atoll wilderness is paramount. | Apr 21 14:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz The Chagos Islands are the last unspoilt coral atoll wilderness area in the overfished and polluted waters of the Indian Ocean. | Apr 21 14:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz In a world of over 7.2 billion humans, these precious coral atolls are an uninhabited refuge for Critically Endangered species. | Apr 21 14:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Britain must ensure the unique ecology of these tiny coral atolls is protected from 'development'. #deforestation #destruction | Apr 21 14:21 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458227125737517056 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458227048168042496 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458226946133229570 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458226848720490496 | Apr 21 14:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz #MPA 2014 British Indian Ocean Territory (BIOT) Science Expedition Blog: Exploring Fresh Territory: http://t.co/4viv7jDAFp | Apr 21 14:23 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Preservation of the Earth's last coral atoll wilderness areas, must come before human self-interest. http://t.co/jG8b5YGOxl | Apr 21 14:23 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz #MPA Seabirds and turtles have a right to live in peace, undisturbed, on their tiny remote coral atolls. http://t.co/drD41RAAwT | Apr 21 14:23 | |
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| schestowitz | seems like classic claim for "divine rights" over place(colonisation) by #greenwashing presence, #militarybase contradicts it | Apr 21 14:35 |
| schestowitz | http://rbth.com/arts/2014/04/20/why_did_russia_sell_alaska_to_the_united_states_36061.html | Apr 21 14:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rbth.com | Why did Russia sell Alaska to the United States? | Russia Beyond The Headlines [ http://ur1.ca/h4yvl ] | Apr 21 14:37 | |
| schestowitz | How much can one trust the Russian press? | Apr 21 14:38 |
| MinceR | because they didn't know there was oil there, i'm guessing :> | Apr 21 14:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.geekwire.com/2014/heres-amazon-coms-earliest-employees-landed/ | Apr 21 14:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geekwire.com | Here's where 7 of Amazon's earliest employees landed: None in the startup ranks - GeekWire [ http://ur1.ca/h4ywk ] | Apr 21 14:43 | |
| schestowitz | "Davis is now a lecturer at Berlin’s Technische Universitat, and founder of Linux Audio Systems. " | Apr 21 14:43 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I'm thinking more along the lines of carriers and platforms for nukes | Apr 21 14:44 |
| schestowitz | the many islands are used for that | Apr 21 14:44 |
| schestowitz | and sometimes even for black sites (CIA torture), which last week we found out the US was using (British islands) | Apr 21 14:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458239341878575104 | Apr 21 14:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz The "divine rights" of Homo sapiens to trample all over tiny remote coral atolls includes building military bases. #seabirds | Apr 21 14:47 | |
| schestowitz | Military bases contribute a lot to pollution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollution | Apr 21 14:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Pollution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Apr 21 14:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458242596901765121 | Apr 21 14:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Yes, pollution is one thing, deforestation and habitat exclusion is another; thankfully the base is restricted to Diego Garcia. | Apr 21 14:56 | |
| schestowitz | I bet its presence there is either to do with nuclear/porting purposes, like "freedom" in Iraq | Apr 21 14:57 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458245388102041600 | Apr 21 15:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Yes, it is a common theme to have a good reason to invade another state's territory; do not forget the Sudeten Germans. #power | Apr 21 15:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SUPPORTING GOVERNMENT DIGITAL INITIATIVES WITH | Apr 21 15:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUPPORTING GOVERNMENT DIGITAL INITIATIVES WITH OPEN SOURCE | Tux Machines | Apr 21 15:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 key insights on the transition from Windows | Apr 21 15:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to Linux http://t.co/MZVpNh2NYM | Apr 21 15:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 key insights on the transition from Windows to Linux | Tux Machines | Apr 21 15:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wasteland 2 adds Linux support in major Early | Apr 21 15:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Access update http://t.co/IYGPFm9NMq | Apr 21 15:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wasteland 2 adds Linux support in major Early Access update | Tux Machines | Apr 21 15:23 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Good news. I might be getting ready to buy a house. | Apr 21 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | It's a little bit of a fixer upper, but it's only $8,500. | Apr 21 15:33 |
| DaemonFC | All it *really* needs before I can move in is some minor repairs and maybe a new paint job. | Apr 21 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | Also, they have this little midget toilet in the bathroom that's going to have to come out. | Apr 21 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | I don't even know where they got that. | Apr 21 15:34 |
| DaemonFC | That's not a big issue though. I can get a new toilet for less than $100. | Apr 21 15:35 |
| DaemonFC | I knew that I lived in a small town for a reason. | Apr 21 15:38 |
| DaemonFC | That same house would be about $40,000 in Fort Wayne. | Apr 21 15:39 |
| DaemonFC | I might call that Solar City company and see about having solar panels installed on the roof if I buy that house. | Apr 21 15:53 |
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| msb__ | DaemonFC: Congratulations! All that coupon shopping pays off! | Apr 21 16:05 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 21 16:16 |
| Sosumi | russia sold alaska to the US, cheaply, with the conditionality for the US to drive the british out of canada | Apr 21 16:25 |
| Sosumi | which the US never bothered to | Apr 21 16:25 |
| MinceR | well, they're not british anymore :> | Apr 21 16:36 |
| schestowitz | still reign of the Queen | Apr 21 16:40 |
| schestowitz | Commonwealth | Apr 21 16:40 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: well done | Apr 21 16:40 |
| schestowitz | but what's the hype about buying houses? | Apr 21 16:41 |
| schestowitz | In the Uk there is a system of peer pressure, so almost everyone falls behind debt for compliance with social 'norms' | Apr 21 16:41 |
| schestowitz | Some people buy a house and have zero cash left | Apr 21 16:41 |
| schestowitz | so bye bye financial security, unless you sell the house or remortgage it for well below value | Apr 21 16:42 |
| Sosumi | I woukdn't mind buying a house | Apr 21 16:42 |
| Sosumi | but for what do I want a house if I'll put inside it are myself and a bunch of computers and desk | Apr 21 16:43 |
| Sosumi | doesn't make sense | Apr 21 16:43 |
| Sosumi | :) | Apr 21 16:43 |
| Sosumi | I certainly wouldn't mind communitarian housing | Apr 21 16:44 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I just want to own. | Apr 21 16:44 |
| Sosumi | a big kitchen and living room for everyone | Apr 21 16:45 |
| Sosumi | and then big rooms for everyone to sleep in and have their privacy | Apr 21 16:45 |
| Sosumi | and stuff | Apr 21 16:45 |
| DaemonFC | It's in excellent condition considering the price. | Apr 21 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | It even has new siding. | Apr 21 16:53 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wayneborean/status/458233558482444288 | Apr 21 16:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wayneborean: @schestowitz So how are things? We are still looking for a legal type to help resurrect Groklaw. | Apr 21 16:54 | |
| schestowitz | PJ already tried that wit Webbink | Apr 21 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | I could get a 3% loan, pay it off in five years. | Apr 21 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | Then I'm not wasting money on rent ever again. | Apr 21 16:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.04 ‘Trusty Tahr’ First Impressions | Apr 21 16:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 14.04 ‘Trusty Tahr’ First Impressions | Tux Machines | Apr 21 16:58 | |
| schestowitz | rent is only one expense among several | Apr 21 17:00 |
| schestowitz | you may find that it only accounts for half of your accomodation/food-related expenses | Apr 21 17:01 |
| schestowitz | so you carry on paying, you are in debt and under stress, and you cannot relocate (even if you find a distant job), etc. | Apr 21 17:01 |
| schestowitz | If you can get a loan foor 3% annual interest rate, then it's probably from family | Apr 21 17:02 |
| schestowitz | in which case you just simply become indebted to a relative and the one who has most to lose is the relative | Apr 21 17:02 |
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| s | DaemonFC: sit down and do the maths, I know I did, it took a few hours | Apr 21 17:09 |
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| msb__ | I just killed my facebook account! It *is* possible! I had to google to ask how. | Apr 21 18:20 |
| msb__ | No more emails about so-and-so just posted another picture! No more "friend requests" from people I never heard of. If I want to talk with someone I'll send them an email, or better, call them on the phone. Or skype. (because I've never been able to get SIP working) | Apr 21 18:22 |
| Sosumi | I just talk to the ppl at the gym | Apr 21 18:25 |
| Sosumi | or to some random dude or girl that seats near me in classes | Apr 21 18:25 |
| msb__ | There ya go! That way you can smell them, too. | Apr 21 18:25 |
| Sosumi | and hear their voices and see their expressions | Apr 21 18:26 |
| Sosumi | much better than talking to some random schmuck on facebook | Apr 21 18:27 |
| msb__ | Yes. Technology has its place. | Apr 21 18:27 |
| Sosumi | tech yes | Apr 21 18:28 |
| Sosumi | facebook no | Apr 21 18:28 |
| cubezzz | I use facebook less and less | Apr 21 18:28 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: That ms-dirtytricks.txt file is great! I'd like to link to it from my Linux page. Are you always going to keep it at that location? | Apr 21 18:31 |
| cubezzz | yeah http://www.maxhost.org/other is sort of a catch-all place I use | Apr 21 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maxhost.org | Index of /other | Apr 21 18:32 | |
| msb__ | cubezzz: OK, excellent! People really need to know about Microsoft's evil acts. | Apr 21 18:33 |
| cubezzz | this url is also worth a look if you haven't seen it: | Apr 21 18:35 |
| cubezzz | http://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=364 | Apr 21 18:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.corporatewatch.org | Corporate Watch : Microsoft : Influence / Lobbying | Apr 21 18:35 | |
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| cubezzz | it's old but it talks about what happened after the DOJ decided not to break up Microsoft | Apr 21 18:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Digitimes Research: Microsoft facing | Apr 21 18:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | difficulties in 3 major segments | Apr 21 18:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Games | Tux Machines | Apr 21 18:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Digitimes Research: Microsoft facing difficulties in 3 major segments | Tux Machines | Apr 21 18:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Will Enterprises Be Next to Warm Up to Chromebooks? | Tux Machines | Apr 21 18:36 | |
| cubezzz | I think Genuine Advantage was the last straw for a lot of people | Apr 21 18:38 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: Very good - thanks! | Apr 21 18:40 |
| msb__ | Hah! Advantage for MS, certainly not for the users. | Apr 21 18:44 |
| msb__ | That's like a sign I saw on the local comcast store door: "For your convenience, the store will be closing one hour earlier from now on." | Apr 21 18:45 |
| msb__ | Set up legal entities whose *only* requirement is to maximize shareholder profits, and that's what you get. Super-psychopaths. | Apr 21 18:49 |
| msb__ | Let them control the government and you get millions of people murdered. | Apr 21 18:50 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz__, When you see this, I'll be around in a bit......I'd say same channel mumble, but I'll DM you as I've forgotten which one we used before....speak to you in a bit. | Apr 21 18:55 |
| cubezzz | the history of unix and linux is interesting but one of the things that doesn't get talked about too much is that linux is getting steadily slower | Apr 21 18:57 |
| cubezzz | I'm running 2.2, 2.4 and 2.6 machines beside each other and I can really see the difference | Apr 21 18:57 |
| msb__ | Slower doing what? The only thing I see that isn't instantaneous is disk searches through lots of directories. | Apr 21 18:58 |
| cubezzz | well it's a combination of things | Apr 21 18:59 |
| cubezzz | aside from higher video resolutions (which is offset by faster video cards and cpu) there's slower memory allocation | Apr 21 19:00 |
| cubezzz | less efficient use of memory | Apr 21 19:00 |
| cubezzz | you would only see it if you ran different eras of linux on identical hardware, which almost is never the case | Apr 21 19:01 |
| msb__ | Those are *causes*, but what are the effects? What do you see that's running slowly? | Apr 21 19:01 |
| cubezzz | firefox is the big one | Apr 21 19:01 |
| cubezzz | it eats up most of the ram if given the chance | Apr 21 19:02 |
| msb__ | Unless you have 8 gigs of ram. | Apr 21 19:02 |
| msb__ | Then it gets into a loop and takes a whole cpu core just because you have 130 tabs open. | Apr 21 19:03 |
| msb__ | It's really gotten a whole lot more stable. | Apr 21 19:03 |
| msb__ | For one thing, when you restart it with all its previous windows and tabs, it doesn't actually restore any of the tabs except the one in each window that you're looking at. | Apr 21 19:04 |
| msb__ | In my case, that keeps the cpu from melting. | Apr 21 19:05 |
| msb__ | Or maybe vaporizing. | Apr 21 19:05 |
| cubezzz | heat dissipation, thanks for reminding me about that :) | Apr 21 19:05 |
| MinceR | it wouldn't melt, it would just take a long time until it became usable :> | Apr 21 19:05 |
| msb__ | Just monitor the core temps, and blow that cat-dust out of the heatsink fins every once in a while. | Apr 21 19:06 |
| msb__ | And don't overcook it. | Apr 21 19:08 |
| Sosumi | don't overcook the cat | Apr 21 19:09 |
| msb__ | Anyhow, even with all the abuse I give it, Firefox is still pretty much instantaneous, unless it's waiting for stuff from the server. | Apr 21 19:09 |
| msb__ | I really miss my cat. He was a super-being. | Apr 21 19:10 |
| Sosumi | what happened to it? | Apr 21 19:11 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: I hesitate to disagree with you, since you are such an expert, but I think hardware has more than kept up with software bloat. | Apr 21 19:11 |
| msb__ | Cancer | Apr 21 19:11 |
| Sosumi | ouch | Apr 21 19:11 |
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| msb__ | It was before the discovery of dichloroacetate. That might have been able to save him. | Apr 21 19:13 |
| msb__ | On a positive note with Firefox, I got it to smooth-scroll really nicely. | Apr 21 19:20 |
| cubezzz | there's also the question of actually understanding the code | Apr 21 19:41 |
| cubezzz | which after each iteration becomes more and more difficult | Apr 21 19:41 |
| cubezzz | and it's not merely 'bloat' | Apr 21 19:45 |
| cubezzz | it's also detritus | Apr 21 19:45 |
| cubezzz | there's a few major transitions worth mentioning | Apr 21 19:51 |
| cubezzz | these are hardware transitions | Apr 21 19:51 |
| cubezzz | DEC/IBM/SUN -> (Amiga,Atari) -> Sparc, PPC -> and the rather nebulous category of x86 PCs | Apr 21 19:53 |
| cubezzz | so we have all that aggregation, not all of that is in Linux but a lot of it is | Apr 21 19:55 |
| cubezzz | someone has to write the low-level stuff | Apr 21 19:56 |
| cubezzz | so anyways, the other point was there's tons and tons of code that never even gets executed | Apr 21 19:57 |
| cubezzz | compare ls.c in Unix v7 with ls.c in Linux sometime | Apr 21 19:57 |
| cubezzz | then count how many of ls's options you actually use | Apr 21 19:58 |
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| cubezzz | the usb sub-system was re-written, also xorg is quite different from XFree86 version 3 | Apr 21 20:00 |
| cubezzz | those are just the 2.4 -> 2.6 kernel differences | Apr 21 20:01 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: Maybe this is the teensiest weensiest Linux: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanolinux | Apr 21 21:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Nanolinux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Apr 21 21:13 | |
| cubezzz | msb_, it's not | Apr 21 21:14 |
| cubezzz | but it depends on what one means by tiny | Apr 21 21:14 |
| cubezzz | nano/tiny core concentrated on reducing the disk space used | Apr 21 21:15 |
| cubezzz | nano core needs about 64 megs of ram, very small for today's distros but... | Apr 21 21:15 |
| cubezzz | Basic Linux 3 was designed for minimal use of memory and can run pretty well with 16 megs, including X | Apr 21 21:16 |
| schestowitz__ | _Goblin: ping | Apr 21 21:18 |
| cubezzz | without X you could get it down to 4 megs of ram | Apr 21 21:19 |
| msb__ | I want one that'll run on a single cross-connected 12AX7. | Apr 21 21:20 |
| msb__ | So it can survive an EMP. | Apr 21 21:23 |
| cubezzz | vacuum tubes :) | Apr 21 21:23 |
| msb__ | It doesn't have to have a lot of ls options. | Apr 21 21:23 |
| cubezzz | well you got me there | Apr 21 21:23 |
| MinceR | you could just use EMP shielding | Apr 21 21:24 |
| cubezzz | there's talk of nano vacuum tubes so you might just be on to something there | Apr 21 21:25 |
| msb__ | Nano is ok. I don't care if I need a microscope to see them, as long as I can see them glowing warm orange. | Apr 21 21:28 |
| MinceR | you can make a lot of things glow warm orange | Apr 21 21:29 |
| MinceR | iron, steel, glass, ... | Apr 21 21:29 |
| cubezzz | computer-wise you'd probably be a lot happier with an original PDP-8 | Apr 21 21:29 |
| msb__ | Nah, LINC had a much prettier front panel. | Apr 21 21:30 |
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| cubezzz | maybe you don't have to go back that far | Apr 21 21:32 |
| cubezzz | an Amiga had almost everything socketed, so it's still easy to repair assuming you can find the chips | Apr 21 21:32 |
| Sosumi | just get a tempest certified cabinet | Apr 21 21:32 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 21 21:32 |
| cubezzz | can you get those for PCs? | Apr 21 21:32 |
| Sosumi | well ofc | Apr 21 21:33 |
| Sosumi | to what else did you want to get one to? | Apr 21 21:33 |
| Sosumi | a mac? | Apr 21 21:33 |
| Sosumi | lol | Apr 21 21:33 |
| Sosumi | there cabinets for both rack mounting | Apr 21 21:34 |
| Sosumi | and others that let you trow a tower inside | Apr 21 21:34 |
| Sosumi | similar to those used in music studios to dampen the sound | Apr 21 21:34 |
| Sosumi | *at | Apr 21 21:34 |
| msb__ | The advantage of the LINC is that it had 12bit words, so you could address plenty of RAM, er, core. | Apr 21 21:35 |
| cubezzz | PDP-8 was also 12-bit | Apr 21 21:35 |
| msb__ | And lighted pushbuttons and little silver bat-handle toggle switches for address and data. | Apr 21 21:36 |
| cubezzz | too bad you don't have a LINC | Apr 21 21:36 |
| cubezzz | that would be quite a collector's item | Apr 21 21:36 |
| msb__ | PDP-8 had a crummy front panel and sharp pointy plastic switches. | Apr 21 21:37 |
| msb__ | Hurt your fingers when you set them to all 1s or all 0s. | Apr 21 21:37 |
| msb__ | The LINC even used discrete transistor circuits, not ICs. | Apr 21 21:38 |
| msb__ | But I'd replace them with 12AX7s. | Apr 21 21:39 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3961527 | Apr 21 21:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The world's first open source laptop crosses halfway mark in crowdfunding. http://www.dnaindia.com/scitech/report-the-world-s-first-open-source-laptop-laptop-crosses-halfway-mark-in-crowdfunding-1980420 | Apr 21 21:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.dnaindia.com | The world's first open source laptop laptop crosses halfway mark in crowdfunding. | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/h51a5 ] | Apr 21 21:40 | |
| schestowitz__ | "@Bugs: I think I read the chips are open too, but I can't find where. Firmware seems to be open." | Apr 21 21:40 |
| schestowitz__ | "I'm still just trying to figure out just how open this really is. Does it need proprietary drivers? Firmware? Do we have the schematics, not just down to the component, but to the transistor? Groups like the NSA like to infiltrate at the deepest levels, where often the higher levels are easier to open. Of this truly is open, transistor to user apps and everything in between, them it would be a significant security development indeed | Apr 21 21:40 |
| schestowitz__ | although great care would have to be taken by the governance to ensure no unwanted influence." | Apr 21 21:40 |
| msb__ | If we could get rid of the corporate-nazi-psychopaths in government, we wouldn't have to worry about them snooping in our computers. | Apr 21 21:44 |
| msb__ | Or shooting us. | Apr 21 21:44 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/portable-pdp8.png | Apr 21 21:44 |
| Sosumi | cubezzz, seatbelts? anyone? | Apr 21 21:46 |
| cubezzz | heh | Apr 21 21:46 |
| msb__ | Cute! Yeah those machines didn't just fit behind the front panel. | Apr 21 21:46 |
| msb__ | The S-100s did, though. | Apr 21 21:47 |
| cubezzz | they might have at least secured the PDP with some bungee cords | Apr 21 21:47 |
| Sosumi | :) | Apr 21 21:47 |
| Sosumi | or there would be a flying pdp8 | Apr 21 21:48 |
| msb__ | It would be a formidable weapon! | Apr 21 21:48 |
| Sosumi | nah | Apr 21 21:48 |
| Sosumi | catapulting washing machines was the best yet | Apr 21 21:49 |
| Sosumi | as the palestinians did back in 2010? | Apr 21 21:49 |
| Sosumi | or was it 2011 | Apr 21 21:49 |
| msb__ | Or cows. Run away! | Apr 21 21:49 |
| Sosumi | muuuh | Apr 21 21:49 |
| Sosumi | gn | Apr 21 21:51 |
| MinceR | o/ | Apr 21 21:51 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 21 22:31 |
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| DaemonFC | I can't believe how bad Windows 8 is. I can see why nobody wants to upgrade from Windows XP. | Apr 22 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | It's sort of sad that in 13 years, Microsoft has gone backwards from Windows XP, which wasn't all that good to begin with. | Apr 22 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | I sat down and tried to fix Collin's laptop and it was like an exorcism. | Apr 22 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 8 just does stupid shit at random and makes you wait so long to do a simple thing like open Firefox, that you just want to scream. | Apr 22 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu 14.04 LTS will be done downloading soon, and then that copy of Windows is getting nuked. | Apr 22 02:17 |
| DaemonFC | I've just gotten too used to GNU/Linux, which usually does the right thing the first time, and never gets saddled with crapware, trialware, shovelware, malware, and fuck-ups in general. | Apr 22 02:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Apr 22 19:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines (GNOME) What's coming in Maps 3.14 and beyond | Apr 22 19:58 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3966420 | Apr 22 20:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I never did any illegal drugs. Unless I had lived in the US 100 years ago; Alcohol was at that stage an illegal drug, unlike pot. | Apr 22 20:36 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Wasn't that also the golden age of the maffia?" | Apr 22 20:36 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3966492 | Apr 22 20:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #wordpress 3.9 feels like a beta version of 3.6. And it also comes with a #backdoor which drives me away to #drupal over time. | Apr 22 20:37 | |
| schestowitz__ | "^ +1" | Apr 22 20:37 |
| schestowitz__ | "WP was never too secure, actually. If you want it to be secure - keep it simple." | Apr 22 20:37 |
| schestowitz__ | "marc, you get a +1 for spreading "KISS principle"." | Apr 22 20:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines OpenBSD forks, prunes, fixes OpenSSL | Apr 22 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/D0u0GoAGcQ | Apr 22 20:48 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Smoothwall Express 3.1 RC5 Is a Powerful | Apr 22 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Firewall and It's Completely Free | Apr 22 20:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/tZBTQXhgNb | Apr 22 20:48 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines KDE 4.14 Release Schedule Published | Apr 22 20:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenBSD forks, prunes, fixes OpenSSL | Tux Machines | Apr 22 20:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Smoothwall Express 3.1 RC5 Is a Powerful Firewall and It's Completely Free | Tux Machines | Apr 22 20:49 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | KDE 4.14 Release Schedule Published | Tux Machines | Apr 22 20:49 | |
| MinceR | http://www.buzzfeed.com/miriamelder/ceo-of-russian-facebook-says-he-was-fired-and-that-the-socia | Apr 22 20:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.buzzfeed.com | CEO Of "Russian Facebook" Says He Was Fired And That The Social Network Is Now In The Hands Of Putin Allies [ http://ur1.ca/h5a4p ] | Apr 22 20:51 | |
| Sosumi | http://www.voltairenet.org/article183373.html | Apr 22 21:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voltairenet.org | Ukraine: Poland trained putchists two months in advance | "Caught red-handed" [ http://ur1.ca/h5ahu ] | Apr 22 21:24 | |
| Sosumi | lulz | Apr 22 21:24 |
| Sosumi | "Two months after the change of regime in Kiev, the Polish press has disclosed the role of Donald Tusk’s government in preparing the coup." | Apr 22 21:24 |
| Sosumi | maybe the next time some polish dude goes on a trip to russia | Apr 22 21:27 |
| Sosumi | his plane will end up "mysteriously" falling | Apr 22 21:28 |
| MinceR | didn't that happen already? | Apr 22 21:29 |
| MinceR | with kaczynski and his partners in crime? | Apr 22 21:29 |
| Sosumi | can't it happen again? :) | Apr 22 21:32 |
| MinceR | of course it can | Apr 22 21:34 |
| Sosumi | http://www.voltairenet.org/article183131.html | Apr 22 21:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voltairenet.org | Ex-CIA agent reveals how Venezuelan “students” get putschist training [ http://ur1.ca/h5al6 ] | Apr 22 21:39 | |
| Sosumi | well, no surprise at all | Apr 22 21:40 |
| Sosumi | I've also heard an interview this morning on ruptly with a venezuelan student | Apr 22 21:41 |
| Sosumi | and she appeared to jut be nothing more than a parrot | Apr 22 21:41 |
| Sosumi | but ho well | Apr 22 21:43 |
| Sosumi | gn | Apr 22 21:43 |
| MinceR | o/ | Apr 22 21:43 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: Great changes, but sssh don't | Apr 22 22:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | mention the... http://t.co/uicwO2dqkm | Apr 22 22:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 14.04 LTS: Great changes, but sssh don't mention the... | Tux Machines | Apr 22 22:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines A premium smartie lump: Oppo N1 CyanogenMod | Apr 22 22:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Edition http://t.co/CMJ7YTZ3m2 | Apr 22 22:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | A premium smartie lump: Oppo N1 CyanogenMod Edition | Tux Machines | Apr 22 22:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DEFT 8.1 Is a Forensic Distro Used by Law | Apr 22 22:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Enforcement to Catch Bad Guys | Apr 22 22:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/jju8e8y7qI | Apr 22 22:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | DEFT 8.1 Is a Forensic Distro Used by Law Enforcement to Catch Bad Guys | Tux Machines | Apr 22 22:13 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Clonezilla Live 2.2.2-39 Backup Distro Is Based | Apr 22 22:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | on Linux Kernel 3.13.10 http://t.co/pLRsjvota1 | Apr 22 22:32 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 39 Interns Will Work to Improve GNOME this | Apr 22 22:32 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How LG Took WebOS from Mobile Phones to TVs in | Apr 22 22:32 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Under a Year http://t.co/MBFFMS1BSk | Apr 22 22:32 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Clonezilla Live 2.2.2-39 Backup Distro Is Based on Linux Kernel 3.13.10 | Tux Machines | Apr 22 22:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 39 Interns Will Work to Improve GNOME this Summer | Tux Machines | Apr 22 22:32 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How LG Took WebOS from Mobile Phones to TVs in Under a Year | Tux Machines | Apr 22 22:33 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines IPFire 2.13 Core 76 Linux-Based Firewall | Apr 22 23:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Distribution Features Latest Strongswan Fixes | Apr 22 23:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/mToVJ6F6KY | Apr 22 23:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | IPFire 2.13 Core 76 Linux-Based Firewall Distribution Features Latest Strongswan Fixes | Tux Machines | Apr 22 23:46 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat's RHEL7 RC ISO Is Now Publicly | Apr 22 23:46 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Available http://t.co/QlPlmREg8z | Apr 22 23:46 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat's RHEL7 RC ISO Is Now Publicly Available | Tux Machines | Apr 22 23:46 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The Best Features Coming With Qt 5.3 | Apr 23 05:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/gdIeeQlcM0 | Apr 23 05:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The Best Features Coming With Qt 5.3 | Tux Machines | Apr 23 05:59 | |
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| MinceR | https://www.usenix.org/system/files/1403_02-08_mickens.pdf | Apr 23 07:36 |
| MinceR | geekings | Apr 23 09:09 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Apr 23 11:00 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Another http://t.co/5vV90nvSzx EVoC Proposed | Apr 23 12:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.x.org | xorg | Apr 23 12:05 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | For OpenGL 4+ Tests http://t.co/NexDZwsWWV | Apr 23 12:05 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Another X.Org EVoC Proposed For OpenGL 4+ Tests | Tux Machines | Apr 23 12:05 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines OpenPOWER Foundation to reveal innovations in | Apr 23 13:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Big Data http://t.co/5GGnuRef1f | Apr 23 13:03 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HotLinuxJobs: The demand has always outstripped | Apr 23 13:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | the supply for Linux professionals | Apr 23 13:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/9SxVmBYKm0 | Apr 23 13:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenPOWER Foundation to reveal innovations in Big Data | Tux Machines | Apr 23 13:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HotLinuxJobs: The demand has always outstripped the supply for Linux professionals | Tux Machines | Apr 23 13:04 | |
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| schestowitz__ | MinceR: I am looking at that PDF | Apr 23 14:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Any special relevance I'm missing? | Apr 23 14:06 |
| MinceR | no special relevance, i think | Apr 23 14:06 |
| MinceR | just very funny | Apr 23 14:07 |
| schestowitz__ | yes, I saw that running quickly through all pages | Apr 23 14:08 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3971052 | Apr 23 14:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Not all Western #drone victims have passport revoked (remotely) before they are assassinated. Means it's often accidental, justified later. | Apr 23 14:09 | |
| schestowitz__ | "We shot you, therefore you're guilty. Outstanding!" | Apr 23 14:09 |
| MinceR | though i it did make me realize that HTML should not only replaced in the 'hypertext' role but also in the 'secure remote GUI' role | Apr 23 14:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Appeals Court now forces them to disclosure documents, but the dead cannot defend selves anymore | Apr 23 14:09 |
| MinceR | which explains why they did things like that :> | Apr 23 14:11 |
| schestowitz__ | My guess is: | Apr 23 14:11 |
| schestowitz__ | 1. They can make claims about what they in Yemen, only based on "official" accounts (nearby witnessed fried in Hellfire also). | Apr 23 14:12 |
| schestowitz__ | 2. They will sex up the claims. I've seen that done to many people before; just tie them up to some reading list to call them Marxist, Nazi, or something along those lies to detach public sympathy. | Apr 23 14:12 |
| schestowitz__ | 3. Guilt by association for any young people or women killed. | Apr 23 14:12 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3961527 | Apr 23 14:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The world's first open source laptop crosses halfway mark in crowdfunding. http://www.dnaindia.com/scitech/report-the-world-s-first-open-source-laptop-laptop-crosses-halfway-mark-in-crowdfunding-1980420 | Apr 23 14:16 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Either way, I hope it takes off. I have a decent laptop for the moment, but next time I switch I'd love to build one of those." | Apr 23 14:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.dnaindia.com | The world's first open source laptop crosses halfway mark in crowdfunding. | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/h5bw8 ] | Apr 23 14:16 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/ekendo/status/458960760970825728 | Apr 23 14:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ekendo: "@schestowitz: #Ethiopia "GNU/Linux with numbers pushing 30%" http://t.co/us7T7u2B6U depending on the day #yournerds #software" | Apr 23 14:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> mrpogson.com | Desktop OS In Ethiopia – What A Difference A Day Makes | Robert Pogson | Apr 23 14:38 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Future update gives better view of Chromebook | Apr 23 15:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | CPU usage http://t.co/DvGZjKVE2u | Apr 23 15:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Future update gives better view of Chromebook CPU usage | Tux Machines | Apr 23 15:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.0 Is Looking | Apr 23 15:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Fantastic http://t.co/ggwxEdyrim | Apr 23 15:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.0 Is Looking Fantastic | Tux Machines | Apr 23 15:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tabletop Simulator now on Steam Early Access | Apr 23 15:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/t1HNH3Yn8o | Apr 23 15:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tabletop Simulator now on Steam Early Access | Tux Machines | Apr 23 15:44 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3970700 | Apr 23 15:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hey AT&T, enough with the gigawashing! http://gigaom.com/2014/04/21/hey-att-enough-with-the-gigawashing/ AT&T a huge violator of #privacy and #internet #censorship villain | Apr 23 15:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> gigaom.com | Hey AT&T, enough with the gigawashing! — Tech News and Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/h5j6k ] | Apr 23 15:46 | |
| schestowitz__ | "While blocking competitors http://action.sumofus.org/a/att-alec-lobby-community-owned-internet-networks/" | Apr 23 15:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-action.sumofus.org | AT&T is waging a war against rural communities across America. | SumOfUs [ http://ur1.ca/h5j6l ] | Apr 23 15:46 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3970408 | Apr 23 15:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: []() **Debian** | Apr 23 15:46 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Black whiting. It's the derivatives that mix in non free software and betray users to owners." | Apr 23 15:46 |
| Sosumi | http://www.voltairenet.org/article30109.html | Apr 23 15:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voltairenet.org | Skull and Bones, the Elite of the Empire | United States: The Hidden Power [ http://ur1.ca/h5ja8 ] | Apr 23 15:58 | |
| Sosumi | msb__, msb__, where are thee? ho great msb__, I present thee with the article above for thy mind to wonder | Apr 23 16:00 |
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| msb__ | Sosumi: Hi! Here I be! Thanks for that voltairenet article on US infiltration and subversion of Cuba and Venezuela! | Apr 23 16:02 |
| Sosumi | Thierry Meyssan is a kewl guy :) | Apr 23 16:03 |
| msb__ | Yes, and what a great name! This article looks very good too. There are quite a few of these societies of the rulers -- Bilderburg, Trilateral, Council on Foreign Relations, Mont Pelerin Society, etc. And probably more that we've never heard of that are totally secret. | Apr 23 16:13 |
| msb__ | ... Bohemian Grove. Some of them are said to bring in children for the members to abuse sexually. | Apr 23 16:16 |
| msb__ | I think Heinlein wrote a story about people who used psychic powers against monsters like these. Anyone remember its name? Maybe the Big Bad got compressed into spherical shape at the end? | Apr 23 16:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CentOS 6 on the desktop: What I've learned so | Apr 23 16:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | far http://t.co/Whz8EDfQro | Apr 23 16:37 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Contributions Welcome http://t.co/9LkogSFWyq | Apr 23 16:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CentOS 6 on the desktop: What I've learned so far | Tux Machines | Apr 23 16:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DNF 0.5.0 Released http://t.co/vhojzL0t2N | Apr 23 16:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Contributions Welcome | Tux Machines | Apr 23 16:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | DNF 0.5.0 Released | Tux Machines | Apr 23 16:37 | |
| Sosumi | even serious? psychic powers? | Apr 23 16:40 |
| Sosumi | lol | Apr 23 16:40 |
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| Sosumi | https://twitter.com/GalileoMovement/status/458974356975022081 | Apr 23 17:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GalileoMovement: CARTOON - People paying you to stay in bed http://t.co/bVjKOfvuTm | Apr 23 17:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GalileoMovement: CARTOON - People paying you to stay in bed http://t.co/bVjKOfvuTm | Apr 23 17:43 | |
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| msb__ | Sosumi: psychic powers were in a fictional story by Robert Heinlein, IIRC. But the article on Skull and Bones says it was connected with Brown Brothers Harrington, which was involved with funding the Nazis for WWII. The most important thing then, as now, for these ultra-wealthy capitalists, was to stop socialism, because organized workers will not give most of the profits to rich company owners. Hitler murdered socialists and labor | Apr 23 18:31 |
| msb__ | organizers everywhere he could find them, and, of course, attacked the USSR. | Apr 23 18:31 |
| msb__ | Harrington --> Harriman | Apr 23 18:31 |
| msb__ | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar | Apr 23 18:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power | World news | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/gvzy9 ] | Apr 23 18:32 | |
| Sosumi | that is widely known | Apr 23 18:32 |
| msb__ | It needs to be much *more* widely known! | Apr 23 18:33 |
| Sosumi | that the american elite of the time were all pretty much in love with that despicable british creature | Apr 23 18:33 |
| Sosumi | the shicklegruber guy | Apr 23 18:33 |
| MinceR | hitler was a National Socialist. :> | Apr 23 18:34 |
| Sosumi | he was just in name | Apr 23 18:34 |
| msb__ | Hitler was NOT a socialist! That was a lie to get him accepted by the population. | Apr 23 18:34 |
| Sosumi | a true socialist makes sure the ppl are fed, clothed and punishes you when you misbehave | Apr 23 18:35 |
| msb__ | Fascism benefits wealthy owners. Socialism benefits working people. | Apr 23 18:35 |
| Sosumi | aka like a big daddy | Apr 23 18:35 |
| msb__ | Capitalist govt punishes misbehavers (pot smokers, prostitutes, etc) also. | Apr 23 18:36 |
| Sosumi | but it doesn't look after you | Apr 23 18:37 |
| Sosumi | and is based on social dawinistics | Apr 23 18:37 |
| msb__ | darwinism | Apr 23 18:37 |
| msb__ | The most powerful survive and dominate the rest. | Apr 23 18:38 |
| MinceR | that's social spencerism, darwin had nothing to do with it | Apr 23 18:39 |
| MinceR | ...or do you think that biology is a lie as well? :> | Apr 23 18:39 |
| msb__ | Maybe, but that's what people have labelled it. | Apr 23 18:39 |
| MinceR | people without any understanding of what they're talking about | Apr 23 18:39 |
| Sosumi | it is what everyone calls that | Apr 23 18:42 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Have you stopped beating your wife? | Apr 23 18:42 |
| MinceR | mu | Apr 23 18:43 |
| msb__ | Aha! A Zen Buddhist! | Apr 23 18:43 |
| cubezzz | the cake is a lie :) | Apr 23 18:43 |
| Sosumi | going by another name would only cause unnecessary discussion most of the times | Apr 23 18:43 |
| Sosumi | lol | Apr 23 18:44 |
| MinceR | not exactly | Apr 23 18:44 |
| msb__ | This is not a pipe. | Apr 23 18:44 |
| cubezzz | it will work after the next compile | Apr 23 18:44 |
| msb__ | 8^) | Apr 23 18:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/TrFqlZTFJO | Apr 23 18:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 23 18:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Week in Techrights http://t.co/QgpudLtrrt | Apr 23 18:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Week in Techrights | Tux Machines | Apr 23 18:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The OnePlus One smartphone is a denim-clad $299 | Apr 23 18:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Cyanogen monster http://t.co/axnJ4PbU9H | Apr 23 18:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The OnePlus One smartphone is a denim-clad $299 Cyanogen monster | Tux Machines | Apr 23 18:48 | |
| msb__ | I'll bet the Skulls are behind Hydra, the criminal organization that has just taken over Marvel's Agents of SHIELD (an excellent TV series, highly recommended). | Apr 23 18:54 |
| msb__ | SHIELD has an enormous VTOL aircraft, with a gorgeous Chinese woman -- played by Ming-Na Wen -- who pilots it. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001840/ | Apr 23 18:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | Ming-Na Wen - IMDb | Apr 23 18:58 | |
| Sosumi | tv is a waste of time | Apr 23 18:58 |
| msb__ | Not this show! | Apr 23 18:58 |
| msb__ | Good TV and movies stretch your mind, like dreams. | Apr 23 18:59 |
| msb__ | Encourage you to think out of the ordinary. | Apr 23 18:59 |
| Sosumi | naah | Apr 23 19:00 |
| Sosumi | tv and entertainment in general are weaponized to bring in new standards | Apr 23 19:01 |
| Sosumi | in a kind of monkey see, monkey do fashion | Apr 23 19:01 |
| msb__ | In general, maybe, but there are a few good ones. | Apr 23 19:02 |
| Sosumi | well, good then, go watch them | Apr 23 19:02 |
| Sosumi | as for me, I don't even have a tv | Apr 23 19:03 |
| msb__ | The "zombie" trend is certainly what you say. | Apr 23 19:03 |
| Sosumi | and the only movies I watch are old samurai movies from akira kurosawa | Apr 23 19:04 |
| msb__ | How about The Golden Compass, The Matrix, The Man From Earth, ... | Apr 23 19:04 |
| Sosumi | or some interesting japanese anime on the lines of ghost in the shell | Apr 23 19:04 |
| msb__ | I love that one! | Apr 23 19:05 |
| msb__ | But if you tried to give head to Kusanagi, would you chip a tooth on her titanium nethers? | Apr 23 19:06 |
| msb__ | Remember how she offerred herself to that kid in a car? | Apr 23 19:07 |
| Sosumi | I meant ghost in the shell as in the mammoru ochi's adaptation of the book | Apr 23 19:07 |
| msb__ | offered | Apr 23 19:07 |
| Sosumi | I've seen the stand alone complex animes but I hardly remember them | Apr 23 19:08 |
| msb__ | So are you talking about something different? | Apr 23 19:08 |
| msb__ | The movie? | Apr 23 19:08 |
| Sosumi | yes | Apr 23 19:08 |
| Sosumi | the 1995 movie | Apr 23 19:09 |
| Sosumi | and the sequel from 2004 | Apr 23 19:09 |
| msb__ | Woof! There's a sequel? | Apr 23 19:09 |
| Sosumi | yes | Apr 23 19:09 |
| Sosumi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP2Pt6m3yKU | Apr 23 19:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Ghost in the Shell - trailer - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/h5kiw ] | Apr 23 19:10 | |
| Sosumi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1KwJfdq0gU | Apr 23 19:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Ghost in the Shell 2 - Innocence - Trailer - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/h5kj3 ] | Apr 23 19:10 | |
| msb__ | Ah. And there's also Solid State Society. | Apr 23 19:11 |
| Sosumi | yes but that one falls into the stand alone complex kind of thing | Apr 23 19:12 |
| msb__ | OK, I have both on DVDs, have to watch them again. | Apr 23 19:13 |
| cubezzz | ok, radeonfb is interesting | Apr 23 19:13 |
| cubezzz | I have a new way of fixing console problems now | Apr 23 19:14 |
| cubezzz | the documentation is rather sparse (as usual) | Apr 23 19:14 |
| cubezzz | fbset let's you manipulate the video settings used by the console | Apr 23 19:15 |
| Sosumi | http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3999/nffk.jpg | Apr 23 19:18 |
| cubezzz | ha, I thought that said "auto-make" for a second | Apr 23 19:18 |
| cubezzz | man fb.modes actually tells one a bit about how the frame buffer works | Apr 23 19:20 |
| MinceR | :D | Apr 23 19:21 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: So does F7 actually switch you back and forth between X and FB, not just X and the console? | Apr 23 19:26 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: Could one write a program that you start in the console, and it does FB graphics? | Apr 23 19:27 |
| cubezzz | sure | Apr 23 19:27 |
| cubezzz | mplayer does that | Apr 23 19:27 |
| cubezzz | I wouldn't assume ctrl-alt-f7 toggles X and the console | Apr 23 19:28 |
| cubezzz | that's distro specific | Apr 23 19:28 |
| cubezzz | my understanding is the fb takes the text console over when loaded | Apr 23 19:29 |
| msb__ | So when mplayer plays a movie, the movie rectangle is in FB, in the middle of the X display? | Apr 23 19:30 |
| cubezzz | no, mplayer usually defaults to xv video output if you run it within X | Apr 23 19:31 |
| cubezzz | if you're in the fb, then it's smart enough to use fbdev | Apr 23 19:33 |
| msb__ | I forgot, it's ctrl-alt-Fn, n = 1 to 6, that goes to a console, and ctrl-alt-F7 that comes back to X. | Apr 23 19:34 |
| msb__ | OK, google for -- linux programming framebuffer in C -- finds lots of stuff | Apr 23 19:38 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yes, you should replace Windows XP with Linux | Tux Machines | Apr 23 19:39 | |
| cubezzz | msb__, programming the framebuffer is a throw-back to what people used to do for graphics programming | Apr 23 19:40 |
| msb__ | But I'll bet it runs faster than programming graphics in X | Apr 23 19:40 |
| msb__ | And I'll bet it's more like programming graphics in PC-DOS, which certain old farts used to be good at. | Apr 23 19:42 |
| cubezzz | you would think that but it's not true :) | Apr 23 19:42 |
| cubezzz | the framebuffer is significantly slower than accelerated X | Apr 23 19:42 |
| msb__ | Does current Linux use accelerated X? | Apr 23 19:43 |
| cubezzz | sure | Apr 23 19:43 |
| cubezzz | run glxinfo on your box | Apr 23 19:43 |
| cubezzz | near the top it should say "direct rendering: Yes" | Apr 23 19:43 |
| cubezzz | there's even acceleration for some old msdos games now via scummvm | Apr 23 19:45 |
| cubezzz | it's not quite as fast as running freedos, but it's pretty close | Apr 23 19:46 |
| msb__ | Yes it does. Had to run it thru "less". All I was seeing was the mode table. | Apr 23 19:46 |
| MinceR | xvideo tends to have video-specific acceleration | Apr 23 19:48 |
| msb__ | Here's a tutorial on programming the FB in C http://www.cnblogs.com/huqingyu/archive/2005/03/05/113634.html | Apr 23 19:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnblogs.com | Linux 2.2 Framebuffer Device Programming Tutorial - 浙林龙哥 - 博客园 [ http://ur1.ca/h5kqx ] | Apr 23 19:51 | |
| cubezzz | if I didn't care about anything except speed and it was OK for the program to take over the machine then I'd probably just use freedos | Apr 23 19:51 |
| cubezzz | you probably aren't going to use the framebuffer too much | Apr 23 19:54 |
| msb__ | So what's the best way to program 2-D graphics in C for X? Qt? | Apr 23 19:54 |
| cubezzz | well... in the old days you would learn xlib programming | Apr 23 19:55 |
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| cubezzz | later on people used motif | Apr 23 19:56 |
| MinceR | but no xt and xaw? :> | Apr 23 19:56 |
| cubezzz | nowadays it's qt, gtk, or fltk | Apr 23 19:56 |
| MinceR | qt seems to get very little use lately | Apr 23 19:57 |
| MinceR | except kde and unity, i guess | Apr 23 19:57 |
| cubezzz | motif is a higher level above xt, xaw, Xmu | Apr 23 19:57 |
| MinceR | i thought motif and xaw were competition to each other | Apr 23 19:58 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: That xrubik code you sent me uses xlib? Which is lower level than qt? | Apr 23 19:58 |
| cubezzz | msb__, yes that's pure xlib | Apr 23 19:59 |
| MinceR | xlib is the lowest level you get for x, except talking the x protocol yourself directly | Apr 23 19:59 |
| msb__ | Can xlib calls do regions, and not just dots? | Apr 23 19:59 |
| MinceR | there's also xcb, which is supposed to be an alternative to xlib | Apr 23 19:59 |
| MinceR | x does a large set of graphics primitives | Apr 23 19:59 |
| MinceR | people say it's too large :) | Apr 23 20:00 |
| cubezzz | all the libs call xcb really | Apr 23 20:00 |
| cubezzz | unless you're using something really old | Apr 23 20:00 |
| cubezzz | e.g. fc1 used xlib | Apr 23 20:03 |
| cubezzz | even xrubik uses xcb when compiled on 'modern' linux | Apr 23 20:04 |
| cubezzz | there's a diagram that explains the graphical toolkits: | Apr 23 20:04 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/graphic-toolkits.png | Apr 23 20:05 |
| msb__ | Great! That really helps. | Apr 23 20:06 |
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| cubezzz | that's not the whole story though | Apr 23 20:14 |
| cubezzz | in games we used SDL | Apr 23 20:14 |
| cubezzz | I think with SDL you can use X or the frame buffer | Apr 23 20:15 |
| cubezzz | I'll have to try that sometime | Apr 23 20:15 |
| cubezzz | ha, yeah it fails because it can't access the mouse :) | Apr 23 20:16 |
| cubezzz | looks like they dropped frame buffer support in SDL 2.0 | Apr 23 20:20 |
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| msb__ | Looks like I can program in Ruby for GTK+ and Qt4. Slower, but more fun. | Apr 23 20:27 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Apr 23 20:32 |
| MinceR | hay | Apr 23 20:33 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: hi | Apr 23 20:34 |
| cubezzz | msb__, you might find this interesting: | Apr 23 20:40 |
| cubezzz | http://www.directfb.org | Apr 23 20:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.directfb.org | directfb.org | Main | Apr 23 20:40 | |
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| msb__ | cubezzz: Thanks! | Apr 23 21:11 |
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| MinceR | gn | Apr 23 22:41 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Opera for Linux Is Still a No-Show | Tux Machines | Apr 24 00:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Band releases album as Linux kernel module | Apr 24 02:26 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Reading Into the Red Hat CentOS Deal | Tux Machines | Apr 24 02:26 | |
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| cubezzz | man, I'm not getting any help at all | Apr 24 04:43 |
| cubezzz | the docs for the frame buffer are really out of date | Apr 24 04:44 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Hackable media-streaming speaker does HiFi with | Apr 24 08:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | tubes http://t.co/hHxnlRYjvH | Apr 24 08:21 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Hackable media-streaming speaker does HiFi with tubes | Tux Machines | Apr 24 08:21 | |
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| msb__ | Wow, tubes! 12AU7 http://linuxgizmos.com/hackable-wireless-speaker-goes-hifi-with-analog-tubes/ | Apr 24 09:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Hackable media-streaming speaker does HiFi with tubes · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/h5rqb ] | Apr 24 09:15 | |
| MinceR | the internet is a series of tubes. | Apr 24 09:17 |
| MinceR | geekings | Apr 24 09:17 |
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| msb__ | That's great to know! | Apr 24 09:17 |
| msb__ | But that stereo amplifier/speaker seems designed for hi-fi crazies who think they can tell the difference when they use unalloyed-copper speaker wires (or is it silver or gold, I forget). | Apr 24 09:19 |
| msb__ | The thing costs $649, but I'll bet you can get an equally good-sounding one for $100 or so. How much stereo separation can you hear with the speakers right next to each other like that, unless it's a foot from your face. And why does anybody need a Raspberry-Pi computer inside their stereo anyhow. | Apr 24 09:21 |
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| MinceR | transistors are goo enough for me | Apr 24 09:22 |
| MinceR | s/oo/ood/ | Apr 24 09:22 |
| msb__ | Yes, with the right circuitry so they don't hard-clip they should be perfect. Certainly very low noise IC amp chips are available, and cheap. | Apr 24 09:23 |
| msb__ | I thought for hi-fi (that's what we used to call it), it was the output amplifier that used tubes for a more organic sound. | Apr 24 09:25 |
| MinceR | sound cannot be organic, as it contains no carbon. :> | Apr 24 09:25 |
| msb__ | Good sound makes the dark carbon in neighboring hyperspace vibrate. | Apr 24 09:27 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 24 09:28 |
| msb__ | And if there are people listening, they exhale CO2, thus confirming, in a sense, the principle of "If a tree fell in the forest but nobody was there to hear it, does it make a sound?" Well it makes a nicer sound. | Apr 24 09:29 |
| msb__ | Unless there were birds living in it. | Apr 24 09:30 |
| msb__ | Science is complicated! | Apr 24 09:30 |
| msb__ | Hippie science even more so. | Apr 24 09:31 |
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| Sosumi | http://pando.com/2014/04/23/the-revolving-door-between-google-and-the-department-of-defense/ | Apr 24 10:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pando.com | The revolving door between Google and the Department of Defense | PandoDaily [ http://ur1.ca/h5s5n ] | Apr 24 10:15 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Black Lab Linux 5.0.1 Enterprise Released | Apr 24 11:07 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel Song, Think Before Switching, and | Apr 24 11:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | RH RC Ready http://t.co/eA8E0f983v | Apr 24 11:08 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Black Lab Linux 5.0.1 Enterprise Released | Tux Machines | Apr 24 11:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines PC-BSD Is Developing Its Own Desktop | Apr 24 11:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Environment http://t.co/K5z2BKEDwU | Apr 24 11:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel Song, Think Before Switching, and RH RC Ready | Tux Machines | Apr 24 11:08 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PC-BSD Is Developing Its Own Desktop Environment | Tux Machines | Apr 24 11:08 | |
| msb__ | Sosumi: That article about Google and the Department of Death is very informative. Thanks! | Apr 24 11:19 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/23/apple-ios-osx-security-fix-criticism/ | Apr 24 12:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macrumors.com | Apple Leaves Users Vulnerable By Not Fixing iOS and OS X Security Issues Simultaneously - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/h5tfb ] | Apr 24 12:26 | |
| Sosumi | crapple always being slow | Apr 24 12:27 |
| msb__ | Sosumi: I just watched the Ghost in the Shell movie. Very artistic, and much more Japanese than the SAC series. | Apr 24 12:29 |
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| msb__ | Sosumi: Now I have _Innocence_ ready to go. After I've merged with it, I may not be the same msb__ that you've known... | Apr 24 13:04 |
| msb__ | The Net is vast and infinite. | Apr 24 13:05 |
| msb__ | Your effort to remain what you are is what limits you. | Apr 24 13:12 |
| Sosumi | now go watch patlabor | Apr 24 13:40 |
| Sosumi | the 1st and 2nd movie | Apr 24 13:41 |
| Sosumi | made by the same guy | Apr 24 13:41 |
| Sosumi | and after that, avalon and jin roh | Apr 24 13:41 |
| msb__ | Sosumi: Thanks! From your name it's clear you are Japanese. I'm glad you know about these things. | Apr 24 14:14 |
| Sosumi | no I'm not | Apr 24 14:14 |
| Sosumi | not even by a small amount | Apr 24 14:15 |
| msb__ | Then at least you have the Japanese quality of Sensayuma. | Apr 24 14:16 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 24 14:17 |
| Sosumi | no idea of what that means | Apr 24 14:35 |
| MinceR | sense of humor | Apr 24 14:37 |
| MinceR | not very japanese, apparently | Apr 24 14:37 |
| Sosumi | well I said I wasn't japanese, not even in the remotest sense | Apr 24 14:38 |
| MinceR | i mean, the word looks like 'sense o' humo'" | Apr 24 14:41 |
| MinceR | s/'/"/ | Apr 24 14:41 |
| Sosumi | I got it now | Apr 24 14:42 |
| Sosumi | sense of yuma as a "kewl" way of saying sense of humort | Apr 24 14:42 |
| Sosumi | *humor | Apr 24 14:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines China developing Linux-based OS after Windows | Apr 24 14:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | XP shutdown http://t.co/LdYRKKNP1Q | Apr 24 14:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | China developing Linux-based OS after Windows XP shutdown | Tux Machines | Apr 24 14:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines US government accelerating development and | Apr 24 14:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | release of open source http://t.co/9CxVKNUwhj | Apr 24 14:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | US government accelerating development and release of open source | Tux Machines | Apr 24 14:50 | |
| MinceR | red flag isn't good enough anymore? | Apr 24 14:51 |
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| msb__ | Here's my favorite bit of Inuyasha -- an anime' very different from Ghost in the Shell -- which I patched together from two videos on Youtube: http://cosmicpenguin.com/rats/inuyasha--episode-26-Midoriko.avi | Apr 24 15:19 |
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| msb__ | It plays on mplayer, at least. | Apr 24 15:20 |
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| MinceR | http://sortofscientifictheories.tumblr.com/post/40481254276/why-you-should-not-clean-your-room | Apr 24 16:00 |
| DaemonFC | Errr, relationship issues..... | Apr 24 16:02 |
| DaemonFC | It would have been easier to kill the SOB and hide the body than it is to call Sprint and get my damned phone working again. LOL | Apr 24 16:02 |
| Sosumi | it is much easier to hide the body if you incinerate it | Apr 24 16:03 |
| Sosumi | but you'd need a furnace for that | Apr 24 16:03 |
| MinceR | some people mention the lye method also | Apr 24 16:04 |
| DaemonFC | I'll just go all Walter White on him and dissolve it in acid.... | Apr 24 16:05 |
| Sosumi | taht too | Apr 24 16:05 |
| DaemonFC | And nothing of value was lost that day... | Apr 24 16:05 |
| Sosumi | actually how could have I forgotten the acid method :( | Apr 24 16:05 |
| Sosumi | I guess I'm kind of a pyro anyways | Apr 24 16:06 |
| *Sosumi goes grab the flamethrower | Apr 24 16:06 | |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 24 16:06 |
| Sosumi | so how do you want them? | Apr 24 16:06 |
| Sosumi | EXTRA CRISPY! | Apr 24 16:06 |
| DaemonFC | I tried to change my phone number using the procedure on www.sprint.com | Apr 24 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | It said change number, reboot phone. | Apr 24 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | I spent 3 hours on the customer service line. At one point, they even factory wiped the phone. | Apr 24 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | I couldn't make voice calls. | Apr 24 16:08 |
| DaemonFC | Then I called another guy this morning and he said "Oh, I see the problem. You had Google Voice on your last number, and our server integration wasn't reset. The last person you spoke with should have seen that right away!" | Apr 24 16:09 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Audacious 3.5 Gets Tens New Features, | Apr 24 18:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Screenshots, Ubuntu PPA Installation | Apr 24 18:17 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Acer turns a corner with another big contract | Apr 24 18:17 |
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| cubezzz | mangaged to fix the alignment problem switching from text console to X | Apr 24 18:23 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.0 RC Benchmarks | Apr 24 19:07 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3971992 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3971533 | Apr 24 20:27 |
| schestowitz__ | "I'm running it on my server. Coincidentally I'm sure, there's been a thread on the Fedora user ranting about how much trouble people have had with breakage on Fedora with updates. I'm not sure what to do about that. I'm discovering I'm having to take down XMPP (which I don't use much anyway) but otherwise, things are running much better than they were under CentOS." | Apr 24 20:27 |
| schestowitz__ | "Hmm, interresting, David. Are you generally more into RPM-based distros? have you tried other, non-RPM distros? if so, then what do you think about them?" | Apr 24 20:28 |
| cubezzz | fedora was OK up to fedora 14 | Apr 24 20:45 |
| cubezzz | after that it diverged too far from the original fc1 | Apr 24 20:45 |
| cubezzz | so if you were running 'old' stuff, e.g. openmotif based it had strange problems | Apr 24 20:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 21 To Get A Playground, New Features | Apr 24 20:49 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HP 255 G1 Laptop with Ubuntu Product | Apr 24 20:49 |
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| schestowitz__ | >>> http://www.infoworld.com/d/microsoft-windows/you-want-replace-windows-xp-linux-seriously-240986 | Apr 24 21:12 |
| schestowitz__ | >>> | Apr 24 21:12 |
| schestowitz__ | >>> You've seen that one already. | Apr 24 21:12 |
| schestowitz__ | >> | Apr 24 21:12 |
| schestowitz__ | >> I linked only to a response. It's tired old FUD (always guaranteed to | Apr 24 21:12 |
| schestowitz__ | >> get lots of it) and I don't need to feed it. If it was de Icaza, I would... | Apr 24 21:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Apr 24 21:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > It's better that way. The response is what needs highlighting since M$ | Apr 24 21:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > will be spamming the new sites with the other stuff. | Apr 24 21:12 |
| schestowitz__ | The comments should go under the response, helping to debunk the FUD under a suitable prelude. It also rewards the debunker. | Apr 24 21:12 |
| cubezzz | ah, I don't care what infoworld says | Apr 24 21:14 |
| cubezzz | I'm not even going to read it | Apr 24 21:14 |
| cubezzz | spammy sites, heavy on javascript | Apr 24 21:16 |
| schestowitz__ | and spies on users now with twitter,FB, Google... | Apr 24 21:34 |
| schestowitz__ | "interactive" buttons on all pages | Apr 24 21:34 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3978790 | Apr 24 22:17 |
| schestowitz__ | "My 68 years old mom is using ubuntu. And with my support, i've seen 6 others change to linux over the last 2 years. And most of them use it for work on a daily basis. All of them are happy about the change and consider it to be faster and crashing less than windows. And based on my experience helping my friends, I second everything @Theaitetos said." | Apr 24 22:17 |
| schestowitz__ | "Smart Company is not so smart if they have to ask this question. Android demonstrated the answer years ago for people who had not bothered to move their desktop 15 years ago. GNU/Linux has been ready for most users for more almost 20 years." | Apr 24 22:17 |
| _Goblin | . | Apr 24 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 24 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | My mother is 73. But she's stubborn. And like I say, she always has an excuse. | Apr 24 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | The latest is, she doesn't keep her documents in any kind of sensible order. (Creating folders is *just* *too* *hard* I guess.) So when she attaches one to an email, she wants to look at the attachment from within the email program to make sure she attached the right document. Apparently Windows lets her do this. | Apr 24 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | But it really doesn't matter. Even if this were fixed, she'd find another excuse. She really would. | Apr 24 22:18 |
| cubezzz | agreed, since 1994 it's been viable | Apr 24 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 24 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | _Goblin: hey | Apr 24 22:18 |
| _Goblin | :) | Apr 24 22:18 |
| _Goblin | hi....before you notice....yes I'm using iRSSI | Apr 24 22:18 |
| _Goblin | I'm not feeling l33t btw | Apr 24 22:18 |
| _Goblin | its awful | Apr 24 22:18 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3978630 | Apr 24 22:19 |
| schestowitz__ | "That's kind of a simplification. ARM may be unfriendly to M$ but much of the firmware and drivers in the ARM ecosystem are closed sourced binary blobs. This is why you can't simply download any GNU+Linux distto and install it on the average ARM Chromebook or tablet." | Apr 24 22:19 |
| _Goblin | It's akin to trying to eat soup with a fork | Apr 24 22:19 |
| schestowitz__ | naa | Apr 24 22:20 |
| schestowitz__ | it's not for your needs | Apr 24 22:20 |
| _Goblin | I can't really see who's needs it fits... | Apr 24 22:20 |
| _Goblin | I used it years ago and now I wonder why? | Apr 24 22:20 |
| _Goblin | I've read the man pages/docs in respect of it offering something new....it doesn't/ | Apr 24 22:21 |
| _Goblin | so its an IRC client that makes things difficult from the outset and offers nothing over any of the more easy to use ones. | Apr 24 22:21 |
| cubezzz | does irssi work with gpm? | Apr 24 22:22 |
| _Goblin | it certainly looks l33t though....terminal fonts/// | Apr 24 22:22 |
| cubezzz | that might make things easier | Apr 24 22:22 |
| _Goblin | It might be easier if you could access its features without a long winded command or editing a cfg file | Apr 24 22:22 |
| _Goblin | I feel like I've typed a novel already just getting it set to what I wanted. | Apr 24 22:23 |
| cubezzz | "it was a dark and stormy night..." | Apr 24 22:23 |
| cubezzz | :) | Apr 24 22:23 |
| _Goblin | "In a distant and second hand set of dimensions, in an astral plane that was never meant to fly" | Apr 24 22:24 |
| _Goblin | BTW the closest to "it was a dark and stormy night" I've read in a book was a Raymond E Feist novel called Magician...that starts on a dark and stormy night...of sorts. | Apr 24 22:24 |
| cubezzz | I'm still studying the frame buffer | Apr 24 22:25 |
| _Goblin | Irssi - for those who miss MUD but feel they are too old for roleplay. | Apr 24 22:25 |
| abeNd-org | L.O.R.D.! | Apr 24 22:25 |
| cubezzz | X really didn't kick in until the late 80's | Apr 24 22:25 |
| cubezzz | _Goblin, you might like naim better for text only ircing | Apr 24 22:26 |
| _Goblin | but I have strange needs of an IRC client... | Apr 24 22:26 |
| _Goblin | I want to use it to er....chat.... | Apr 24 22:26 |
| MinceR | irssi is great | Apr 24 22:27 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 24 22:27 |
| _Goblin | not to make my first conversations a list of commands to the software. | Apr 24 22:27 |
| cubezzz | at least use ncurses :) | Apr 24 22:27 |
| MinceR | smart command line, good scriptability, good script management, lots of features | Apr 24 22:27 |
| _Goblin | I can do that with Xchat. | Apr 24 22:27 |
| _Goblin | and before that years ago on mIRC | Apr 24 22:28 |
| cubezzz | ugh, the dark era | Apr 24 22:28 |
| MinceR | mirc has none of those things | Apr 24 22:28 |
| _Goblin | Scripting? | Apr 24 22:28 |
| MinceR | afaik its scripts are still monolithic | Apr 24 22:28 |
| MinceR | and they use a stupid language | Apr 24 22:28 |
| cubezzz | "it was a dark and stormy era. There were windows users as far as the eye could see..." | Apr 24 22:28 |
| _Goblin | I ran a fileserver for years with script on mIRC | Apr 24 22:28 |
| _Goblin | I didn't find it stupid.... | Apr 24 22:28 |
| MinceR | and i wrote a script to add a lot of features to mirc | Apr 24 22:29 |
| MinceR | only to discover that most clients came with those features built in | Apr 24 22:29 |
| cubezzz | hold on just a sec, what about unicode support? | Apr 24 22:29 |
| MinceR | irssi has that | Apr 24 22:29 |
| MinceR | also recoding with fallback | Apr 24 22:29 |
| _Goblin | but really? this is a chat client.... | Apr 24 22:29 |
| _Goblin | to er ....chat. | Apr 24 22:29 |
| MinceR | yes, and? | Apr 24 22:30 |
| _Goblin | Are you running IRSSI? | Apr 24 22:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Kubuntu 14.04 LTS review – is Linux ready for | Apr 24 22:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | the desktop? Gadget Watch | Apr 24 22:30 |
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| MinceR | i am | Apr 24 22:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ikey Doherty Talks Evolve OS & Budgie Desktop | Apr 24 22:30 |
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| MinceR | i might switch to weechat though :) | Apr 24 22:30 |
| _Goblin | and what do you use it for that you can't do with xchat> | Apr 24 22:30 |
| cubezzz | ＹＥＳ ＲＥＡＬＬＹ | Apr 24 22:31 |
| MinceR | i run it in screen and access it via ssh | Apr 24 22:31 |
| _Goblin | for example... | Apr 24 22:31 |
| MinceR | for example | Apr 24 22:31 |
| MinceR | i also get true transparency via the terminal emulator | Apr 24 22:31 |
| _Goblin | thats a fair comment. | Apr 24 22:31 |
| _Goblin | but for ease of use and afterall this is chat we are talking about, is Irssi or any other similar really needed or is it a part of history lost in the annals of new ways of working? | Apr 24 22:32 |
| MinceR | dunno | Apr 24 22:32 |
| MinceR | it probably depends on what features you require | Apr 24 22:33 |
| _Goblin | Its like the people who argue Usenet is still viable... | Apr 24 22:33 |
| _Goblin | its not. | Apr 24 22:33 |
| _Goblin | its dead except for the binaries and moody copies of films. | Apr 24 22:33 |
| cubezzz | there's still google groups, and yeah I still use that | Apr 24 22:33 |
| cubezzz | e.g. I read comp.lang.apl | Apr 24 22:33 |
| _Goblin | yeah, I've been using that recently...it miffed many people as ggroups stuffs up threads. | Apr 24 22:34 |
| _Goblin | ive a tigerusenet account, but I've not got around to setting it up on this new(ish) isntall | Apr 24 22:34 |
| _Goblin | *instal | Apr 24 22:34 |
| _Goblin | *l | Apr 24 22:34 |
| cubezzz | heck, fidonet is still active | Apr 24 22:34 |
| cubezzz | there's lots of interest in classic computing | Apr 24 22:35 |
| _Goblin | yeah...there's active and then there's just "being used" | Apr 24 22:35 |
| _Goblin | the bbs in an incarnation is still running | Apr 24 22:35 |
| _Goblin | but thats not to say you want it to be your repository of news/info | Apr 24 22:35 |
| cubezzz | some people even like the isolation that a BBS provides | Apr 24 22:35 |
| cubezzz | your own small group | Apr 24 22:36 |
| _Goblin | some people have a balloon fetish, but thats not to say its the norm. | Apr 24 22:36 |
| _Goblin | I met someone who claimed Jesus was being held at Area 51...there's a few of those..... | Apr 24 22:37 |
| MinceR | :D | Apr 24 22:37 |
| _Goblin | I can accept your liking of irssi.... | Apr 24 22:37 |
| _Goblin | I cannot understand nor accept a balloon fetish...never been able to get my head around that. | Apr 24 22:37 |
| MinceR | what's a balloon fetish? | Apr 24 22:37 |
| _Goblin | and I'm frightened of them. | Apr 24 22:37 |
| _Goblin | its er people who get er.... | Apr 24 22:38 |
| _Goblin | excited over balloons. | Apr 24 22:38 |
| cubezzz | most people use windows, you could even say using windows is the 'norm' | Apr 24 22:38 |
| _Goblin | yep. sadly it is. | Apr 24 22:38 |
| cubezzz | that doesn't mean you can't use other operating systems | Apr 24 22:39 |
| cubezzz | or irc clients :) | Apr 24 22:39 |
| _Goblin | any behaviour which can be attributed to a majority is classed as the "norm" | Apr 24 22:39 |
| MinceR | well, there's a window on the wall of my room | Apr 24 22:39 |
| MinceR | "i hate windows. i have shutters everywhere in my house." | Apr 24 22:39 |
| cubezzz | group-think is bad | Apr 24 22:40 |
| _Goblin | not always | Apr 24 22:40 |
| _Goblin | group think told ancient man to be frightened of aggressive animals with sharp teeth | Apr 24 22:40 |
| _Goblin | you didn't get a small group breaking away and trying to hug these animals. | Apr 24 22:40 |
| _Goblin | or if you did, they ended up as dinner. | Apr 24 22:41 |
| cubezzz | "all the cool kids wear nikes" | Apr 24 22:41 |
| _Goblin | thats the power of advertising, to tap into the human instinct to group think. | Apr 24 22:41 |
| cubezzz | "all the cool kids own iphones" | Apr 24 22:42 |
| _Goblin | do they? | Apr 24 22:42 |
| _Goblin | I'll make a note of that. | Apr 24 22:42 |
| _Goblin | Talking of cool kids.... | Apr 24 22:43 |
| _Goblin | Sports Yapper....sign up...its like Twitter but for sport....all the cool kids use that. | Apr 24 22:43 |
| _Goblin | and I have to say I love it... | Apr 24 22:43 |
| _Goblin | ...right...this is awful...I'm going back to xchat...fed up... | Apr 24 22:44 |
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| _Goblin | thats better... | Apr 24 22:45 |
| _Goblin | I don't feel like I'm in an 80's hacking movie anymore. | Apr 24 22:46 |
| _Goblin | tried out the latest Mame binary today....fantastic piece of work.... | Apr 24 22:47 |
| _Goblin | (collaborative work) | Apr 24 22:47 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 24 22:47 |
| _Goblin | gn. | Apr 24 22:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Raspberry Pi Clones Match the Connectors, But | Apr 24 23:21 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 10 Or 20 Things To Do After Installing Ubuntu | Apr 24 23:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 14.04 Trusty Tahr http://t.co/9UtsrBhnXz | Apr 24 23:21 |
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| msb__ | I was very grateful for irssi once. I was installing a Linux upgrade and having problems with X. I was getting help from the folks in #suse, but I couldn't restart X. So I came in using irssi in a text console. It only took a minute or two to get it running and get in. | Apr 25 00:18 |
| _Goblin | thats a fair reason too, can't argue with that. Personally if my machine was having such issues, most of the stuff I do would not be done without X....the idea to come into IRC would be last on my priorities....But I do however concede the point. | Apr 25 00:21 |
| cubezzz | funky, I can change console fonts on the fly | Apr 25 00:23 |
| cubezzz | smaller font == more lines at the same resolution :) | Apr 25 00:24 |
| _Goblin | Windlings....or something.....that was a cool font...... | Apr 25 00:25 |
| _Goblin | or rather not so much a font, a collection of symbols... | Apr 25 00:26 |
| cubezzz | I usually have at least 3 computers right next to me | Apr 25 00:27 |
| cubezzz | one computer is for experimenting | Apr 25 00:27 |
| cubezzz | one is a server, no experimenting on that one | Apr 25 00:27 |
| cubezzz | so I always have an X session at hand | Apr 25 00:28 |
| _Goblin | I'm still loving Peppermint 4....... | Apr 25 00:28 |
| cubezzz | and there's dozens and dozens of console fonts | Apr 25 00:29 |
| _Goblin | cubezzz, can't say I've ever had the need or desire to change em. | Apr 25 00:29 |
| _Goblin | mind you, whilst I like a good GUI, there's one thing I love..... | Apr 25 00:30 |
| _Goblin | the CAT command.... | Apr 25 00:30 |
| _Goblin | its probably the most damn handy command I've ever used. | Apr 25 00:30 |
| cubezzz | also one of the oldest unix commands | Apr 25 00:32 |
| cubezzz | _Goblin, some Russian dude might want a Cyrillic font | Apr 25 00:50 |
| _Goblin | Maybe..... | Apr 25 00:50 |
| _Goblin | And if we are able to clone a Pharaoh from DNA found in a pyramid they may want a hieroglyphics font.... I personally don't need them though and I'd suggest the vast majority of users don't either. When I'm installing/introducing Linux to a new user, terminal font's are not one of my "selling points." | Apr 25 00:52 |
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| _Goblin | but then its horses for courses..... | Apr 25 00:53 |
| _Goblin | I think the issue I have (and discounting the need some may have for irssi or terminal etc) is that many people merely use them to look l33t and when you challenge them as to why they use them, it transpires that its because it makes them feel more the expert by being able to still use their machine whilst making life more difficult. | Apr 25 00:55 |
| cubezzz | no, I wanted to understand the frame buffer | Apr 25 00:55 |
| _Goblin | I'm not referring to you. | Apr 25 00:55 |
| _Goblin | there is, I expect many legit needs of these "l33t" packages and the needs of the terminal, but as I say, I think many use to be leet. | Apr 25 00:56 |
| _Goblin | That is why I'm so interested about the genuine advantages people find in these things. | Apr 25 00:56 |
| _Goblin | like irssi earlier. | Apr 25 00:56 |
| _Goblin | and I can't believe nobody commented on what I thought was a great analogy to irssi..... | Apr 25 00:58 |
| _Goblin | "Irssi is like MUD for those who feel they are too old to roleplay" | Apr 25 00:58 |
| _Goblin | I'm going to tweet that. | Apr 25 00:58 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/csjwz6SxDp | Apr 25 01:04 |
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| cubezzz | personally I agree with you about irssi | Apr 25 01:05 |
| cubezzz | some things work much better with mouse+keyboard | Apr 25 01:07 |
| cubezzz | seldom used options in a GUI so you don't forget everything | Apr 25 01:09 |
| cubezzz | I tried rat poison once as a window manager... | Apr 25 01:11 |
| cubezzz | interesting idea, but I just didn't find it intuitive at all | Apr 25 01:11 |
| msb__ | When I used irssi during the Linux upgrade, X was working ok thru most of it, so I was getting advice using konversation. But then when I changed something involving | Apr 25 01:31 |
| msb__ | ...X, I had to go to the text console and back to X, but I couldn't. That's when I used irssi. | Apr 25 01:32 |
| cubezzz | yeah I'm in a room full of computers so I would just hop over to another computer in that case | Apr 25 01:35 |
| msb__ | That's great! I've only ever had one at a time. | Apr 25 01:36 |
| cubezzz | I can't really imagine not doing it | Apr 25 01:36 |
| cubezzz | that way IRC is always full screen and I can do research, or compile stuff on another display | Apr 25 01:37 |
| msb__ | I just use 20 virtual desktops on the one machine. | Apr 25 01:38 |
| cubezzz | I'm not one of those "matrix" guys with a 6 headed display though :) | Apr 25 01:38 |
| cubezzz | separate UPS's for each computer | Apr 25 01:38 |
| cubezzz | see, if I'm mucking around with the framebuffer or changing video driver's... it's just better to have one box that is untouched so to speak | Apr 25 01:39 |
| msb__ | That triple-header machine in the picture you showed a couple of days ago is very nice. | Apr 25 01:40 |
| msb__ | Makes total sense. | Apr 25 01:40 |
| msb__ | Mostly I just find something that works and leave it. | Apr 25 01:41 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/xmonad-tripleheader.jpg | Apr 25 01:41 |
| msb__ | That's the one. | Apr 25 01:42 |
| cubezzz | I'd rather just have three computers | Apr 25 01:43 |
| msb__ | I just have the one 27 inch display. I even gave away the last one to a neighbor. If this one quits I'd have to buy another, or at least a small one for $100 from Frys. | Apr 25 01:44 |
| msb__ | I might have an old CRT in a back room, but I don't remember if it works. | Apr 25 01:47 |
| cubezzz | yup, the CRT era is definitely over | Apr 25 01:48 |
| cubezzz | not unless you can fix old monitors | Apr 25 01:48 |
| msb__ | Man those things were heavy! | Apr 25 01:48 |
| msb__ | I used to fix TVs. But you need a schematic and a scope. | Apr 25 01:49 |
| cubezzz | indeed, some of the old tvs were super heavy | Apr 25 01:49 |
| cubezzz | some were over 500 pounds | Apr 25 01:49 |
| cubezzz | CRTs scared me a bit though, I was never comfortable with the case open | Apr 25 01:50 |
| msb__ | Big screen --> big vacuum --> thick walls on the bottle. | Apr 25 01:51 |
| msb__ | Keeping one hand in a pocket helps. Also grounding the 25KV anode through a resistor. | Apr 25 01:52 |
| msb__ | The thing is a big Leyden jar. It can whack you. | Apr 25 01:53 |
| cubezzz | speaking from experience? :) | Apr 25 01:53 |
| msb__ | Fortunately not. | Apr 25 01:53 |
| msb__ | I did get my hand across a 4KV capacitor once. Smelled like burned chicken. | Apr 25 01:54 |
| cubezzz | I've had some CRTs last over 30 years, it will be interesting to see how long my LCD's last | Apr 25 01:54 |
| cubezzz | yikes | Apr 25 01:54 |
| msb__ | Just the one hand. Where it gets you is if it goes through the chest and hits the heart. | Apr 25 01:55 |
| msb__ | Hence the one hand in a pocket. | Apr 25 01:56 |
| msb__ | But with a CRT, you just connect one end of a known-tested-good cliplead with a resistor to the chassis, and the other to a screwdriver with a long plastic handle, and dig the blade under the rubber boot to the second-anode connection. | Apr 25 01:59 |
| msb__ | That only requires one hand. 8^) | Apr 25 01:59 |
| msb__ | Of course you unplug the thing from the wall first. | Apr 25 02:00 |
| msb__ | You're more likely to injure your back lifting it! | Apr 25 02:01 |
| msb__ | I made a 10X probe for my VTVM out of a plexiglas tube and a string of 10meg resistors. So I could check the second anode with that. I could even measure the voltage while it was running. | Apr 25 02:03 |
| msb__ | Maybe it was 20X, I forget now. | Apr 25 02:04 |
| msb__ | The Franklin Institute had a Marx generator with big capacitors that charged in parallel and discharged in series, creating a lightning bolt. Very loud! | Apr 25 02:06 |
| cubezzz | ever play around with a jacob's ladder? | Apr 25 02:06 |
| msb__ | Yep. I still have the neon sign transformer. | Apr 25 02:07 |
| cubezzz | I always wondered what those things were for :) | Apr 25 02:07 |
| cubezzz | aside from looking cool in movies | Apr 25 02:07 |
| msb__ | Yeah, other than bringing monsters to life I can't think of anything. | Apr 25 02:08 |
| cubezzz | neon signs have pretty much disappeared haven't they? | Apr 25 02:08 |
| msb__ | It's alive! It's alive! | Apr 25 02:08 |
| msb__ | I guess so. There are fake neon signs using LEDs now. | Apr 25 02:09 |
| cubezzz | well, I'm not that old but I do collect photographs of Toronto | Apr 25 02:09 |
| cubezzz | it seems that in the 60s to 70s most of the neon stuff disappeared | Apr 25 02:10 |
| msb__ | I'll bet there's at least one left in Greater Metropolitan Downtown Mountain View here -- all 4 blocks of it. Chinese restaurants often had them, maybe still. | Apr 25 02:11 |
| cubezzz | this one's a pretty good example of the era: | Apr 25 02:13 |
| msb__ | I have two refrigerator pumps that I used to connect in series and made a good enough vacuum that I could get a glow discharge. | Apr 25 02:13 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/a-and-a-sams-edison-hotel.jpg | Apr 25 02:13 |
| msb__ | Very nice! | Apr 25 02:14 |
| cubezzz | ah, it's kind of a pity, the edison hotel is no more | Apr 25 02:15 |
| cubezzz | much older shot, maybe 1950s, around that era: | Apr 25 02:19 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/edison-hotel-much-older.jpg | Apr 25 02:19 |
| msb__ | Is that a transmitter mast on its roof, or is it farther back? | Apr 25 02:20 |
| msb__ | Anyhow it looks like a medieval castle. | Apr 25 02:21 |
| cubezzz | it's pretty old | Apr 25 02:21 |
| cubezzz | built in 1888, originall called the Empress Hotel | Apr 25 02:22 |
| msb__ | I like that name better. Edison was a jerk. | Apr 25 02:23 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/edison-hotel-ancient.jpg | Apr 25 02:23 |
| cubezzz | I think that's the oldest picture | Apr 25 02:23 |
| cubezzz | yeah, if you look closely you can see "Empress Hotel" | Apr 25 02:24 |
| cubezzz | oh and it's on the top part too | Apr 25 02:26 |
| msb__ | Yes, I can see both. I wonder if the top one was ever a neon sign. | Apr 25 02:26 |
| msb__ | It's a beautiful old building. A shame it's gone. | Apr 25 02:27 |
| cubezzz | it wasn't at the top, but it did have a trapezoidal neon sign facing north | Apr 25 02:29 |
| msb__ | Things change. Mostly to make money. But here in GNU/Linux/FOSS-Land, it's for love! | Apr 25 02:29 |
| cubezzz | I get paid for linux jobs :) | Apr 25 02:29 |
| msb__ | Very good! | Apr 25 02:30 |
| cubezzz | yeah, it's a bit more common now | Apr 25 02:30 |
| msb__ | So did you ever make a Tesla coil? I kept thinking about it but never did. However, I did have a Model-T ignition coil. | Apr 25 02:34 |
| msb__ | Also kept scoping out round metal things to use as the terminal of a Van de Graaff. | Apr 25 02:36 |
| cubelog | no, never | Apr 25 02:40 |
| cubelog | had to change computers | Apr 25 02:40 |
| msb__ | I had a tunnel diode and made some kind of circuit with it -- a VHF transmitter or receiver, maybe both at once. 8^ | Apr 25 02:40 |
| msb__ | I would override the audio when my parents were watching TV (just once or twice). Tapped the phone line too. | Apr 25 02:42 |
| cubelog | I had a pretty nice VHF antenna, I could get Buffalo radio no problem | Apr 25 02:42 |
| cubelog | it got replaced with a new UHF antenna so now it's FM range seems a lot worse | Apr 25 02:43 |
| msb__ | I used to listen to Barry Farber from New York in Philadelphia -- 90 miles. Don't remember if it was AM or FM. | Apr 25 02:44 |
| cubelog | no AM cards for computers, too much interference | Apr 25 02:45 |
| cubelog | eh, almost everyone streams on the net now anyways | Apr 25 02:45 |
| msb__ | If Art Bell were still on the air C2C would be worth listening to. His guests often prophesied terrible natural catastrophes. That never happened. It was fun. | Apr 25 02:49 |
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| msb__ | http://www.juancole.com/2014/04/murder-behalf-billionaire.html | Apr 25 03:39 |
| msb__ | Bilkbot: FCC Plots Murder of Blogs on Behalf of Billionaire Media Lords | Apr 25 03:40 |
| msb__ | Is there a way for us to restart the Bot? | Apr 25 03:41 |
| msb__ | !bot | Apr 25 03:43 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/4XJ1KYheft | Apr 25 04:22 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Baseboard morphs BeagleBone Black into 3.5-inch | Apr 25 04:22 |
| TweetTuxMachines | SBC http://t.co/qE3qVJwocv | Apr 25 04:22 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/Sj3e5iFK3L | Apr 25 04:22 |
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| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/funky-console.png | Apr 25 05:51 |
| amarsh04 | Spot the robot: http://a2.img.talkingpointsmemo.com/image/upload/c_fill,fl_keep_iptc,g_faces,h_365,w_652/ziln4tfkaqtuu6mipd4n.jpg | Apr 25 06:41 |
| amarsh04 | My picture of Asimo from 2012: http://www.madman.com.au/fanzone/display/68188.img | Apr 25 06:41 |
| MinceR | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-24/obama-signs-law-banning-himself-entering-us | Apr 25 07:20 |
| Sosumi | I'm not sure if I should be laughing my ars off | Apr 25 07:23 |
| Sosumi | or just facepalm myself | Apr 25 07:23 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 25 07:23 |
| Sosumi | ho and today marks the 99th birthday of the armenian genocide | Apr 25 07:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat, Fedora, & CentOS - and More | Apr 25 08:18 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/IhrBrMHkpB | Apr 25 08:18 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Apr 25 09:35 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3979060 | Apr 25 09:37 |
| schestowitz__ | "I'm just guessing the PCWorld story points out that scanning the email is part of Google's business plan. Encryption would defeat this. But I'm just guessing." | Apr 25 09:37 |
| schestowitz__ | IDG likes to prop up Microsoft's "Scroogled" attack ads | Apr 25 09:38 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3979026 | Apr 25 09:39 |
| schestowitz__ | "10+ Icavot | Apr 25 09:39 |
| MinceR | idg serves m$ | Apr 25 09:40 |
| MinceR | always did | Apr 25 09:40 |
| schestowitz__ | IDC paid by Microsoft | Apr 25 09:41 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3979622 | Apr 25 09:49 |
| schestowitz__ | "Wait, is the US not going to Ukraine to fight for the democracy and freedom?" | Apr 25 09:49 |
| MinceR | afaik it's not decided yet | Apr 25 09:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Unlocking Chromebooks will soon get simpler | Apr 25 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/QbuemVDWvd | Apr 25 10:03 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines R600 Gallium3D Lands Many OpenGL Fixes | Apr 25 10:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/QfXbploLcc | Apr 25 10:03 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Does Linux Mint exist? http://t.co/gkQCAvBAwE | Apr 25 10:04 |
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| schestowitz__ | LOL http://dailycurrant.com/2014/03/07/ukraine-deploys-gay-men-to-scare-off-russians/ | Apr 25 10:56 |
| schestowitz__ | adding insult to fake injury... http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1398413524344961_animate.gif | Apr 25 10:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Trusty Tahr: More Yawns, More Polish | Apr 25 10:57 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New course to cater to Linux newbies | Apr 25 10:57 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 9-Way April 2014 Linux Distribution Benchmarks | Apr 25 10:57 |
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| schestowitz__ | http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m3l3tcbaaJ1rv7vqco1_500.gif | Apr 25 11:04 |
| MinceR | lol @ dailycurrant | Apr 25 11:26 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/peterfriese/status/459643617683193856 | Apr 25 11:42 |
| schestowitz__ | Microsoft's booster Tony Bradley: http://www.forbes.com/sites/tonybradley/2014/04/24/the-case-for-making-windows-xp-open-source-and-why-its-a-bad-idea/ | Apr 25 11:44 |
| schestowitz__ | Why are they giving MS boosters blogs? | Apr 25 11:44 |
| schestowitz__ | http://www.eetimes.com/messages.asp?piddl_msgthreadid=44816&piddl_msgid=297485 | Apr 25 11:49 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Gnome 3.14 Stable Will Be Released In September | Apr 25 13:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 2014, Coming With Both Better Wayland Support | Apr 25 13:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | And Some New Apps http://t.co/7oJMmijHXI | Apr 25 13:36 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mozilla Names Andreas Gal New CTO | Apr 25 13:36 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open Source: Getting Angry, Getting Better | Apr 25 13:36 |
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| msb__ | The Daily Currant is a joke site; its stories are fictional. But gays are one of the groups that Nazis -- like those that have overthrown the elected government of Ukraine with US help -- seek to exterminate, along with Romany, socialists, the elderly, and of course Jews. | Apr 25 14:04 |
| Sosumi | gays, jews and ethnical minorities | Apr 25 14:05 |
| Sosumi | and of course, russians | Apr 25 14:05 |
| Sosumi | because according princess leia | Apr 25 14:06 |
| Sosumi | *cough* yulia tymochenk* | Apr 25 14:06 |
| Sosumi | gotta bomb dam russians | Apr 25 14:06 |
| Sosumi | *according to | Apr 25 14:07 |
| Sosumi | it used to be fun to ridicularize north korean leaders | Apr 25 14:08 |
| Sosumi | but with those ukranian characters things have finally gone into the twilight zone | Apr 25 14:09 |
| msb__ | Nazis consider Russians to be Slavic untermenschen, but the main reason for attacking them is that they were (and to some extent still are) socialist. Hitler's Nazis were paid to exterminate socialists and trade-union organizers -- paid by the ultra-wealthy in the US, and to some extent Germany and England. | Apr 25 14:10 |
| Sosumi | well | Apr 25 14:10 |
| Sosumi | and what are the ukranians? | Apr 25 14:10 |
| Sosumi | other than a mix slavs and polish | Apr 25 14:10 |
| Sosumi | *of | Apr 25 14:10 |
| msb__ | Hitler was not exactly a blond Aryan himself! | Apr 25 14:11 |
| Sosumi | no | Apr 25 14:11 |
| msb__ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis | Apr 25 14:12 |
| Sosumi | and by that demagogy, putin is more aryan than hitler or ratseniuk or princess leya | Apr 25 14:12 |
| Sosumi | did you know yulia tymochenko isn't blond at all? | Apr 25 14:12 |
| MinceR | > its stories are fictional. | Apr 25 14:13 |
| MinceR | http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/666/_57c8a1a431a592af806925e57258202f.png | Apr 25 14:13 |
| Sosumi | she just dyes her air | Apr 25 14:13 |
| Sosumi | *hair | Apr 25 14:13 |
| MinceR | poles are slavs | Apr 25 14:13 |
| Sosumi | and no no | Apr 25 14:13 |
| msb__ | Please don't call her leya. Princess Leia was a wonderful person! | Apr 25 14:13 |
| Sosumi | hitler was put there by london in order to break up the soviet union | Apr 25 14:14 |
| Sosumi | he just turned west before going east | Apr 25 14:14 |
| MinceR | also, russian homophobia is not fictional | Apr 25 14:14 |
| Sosumi | because it was never to their conception that the blochviks thẽy had financed earlier would keep russia intact | Apr 25 14:15 |
| Sosumi | so in russia, they're afraid of men? | Apr 25 14:15 |
| Sosumi | homophobia = fear of men | Apr 25 14:15 |
| msb__ | I don't know why he attacked England, but he certainly invaded Russia and murdered about 20 million people. | Apr 25 14:15 |
| MinceR | possibly | Apr 25 14:15 |
| MinceR | but they're certainly afraid of homosexuals | Apr 25 14:16 |
| msb__ | Putin does seem to have a fear of Pussy. | Apr 25 14:16 |
| MinceR | just like nazis | Apr 25 14:16 |
| MinceR | yeah, that too | Apr 25 14:16 |
| Sosumi | the pussy riot demagogues entered into a church and started trashing the place | Apr 25 14:17 |
| msb__ | Are the Russians anti-gay? That Currant story is a fake, a parody, remember. | Apr 25 14:17 |
| Sosumi | what else would be done but to hold those not band at all idiots for vandalism | Apr 25 14:17 |
| MinceR | i haven't heard of trashing the place | Apr 25 14:17 |
| MinceR | who came up with that? | Apr 25 14:18 |
| Sosumi | ho but I've hears | Apr 25 14:18 |
| MinceR | msb__: remember what they did under the winter olympics. | Apr 25 14:18 |
| msb__ | What? | Apr 25 14:19 |
| Sosumi | what did they do? | Apr 25 14:19 |
| Sosumi | toothpaste bombs? | Apr 25 14:20 |
| MinceR | discriminated against gays, accused them of spreading "gay propaganda" | Apr 25 14:20 |
| MinceR | threatened them | Apr 25 14:20 |
| msb__ | Pussy Riot attacked gays??? | Apr 25 14:20 |
| Sosumi | but where have you heard that? | Apr 25 14:20 |
| Sosumi | BBC? CNN? | Apr 25 14:20 |
| MinceR | msb__: no, the russian government did | Apr 25 14:21 |
| msb__ | Wiki says inside the church, but no mention of trashing. | Apr 25 14:21 |
| MinceR | Sosumi: i can't remember | Apr 25 14:21 |
| MinceR | multiple sources | Apr 25 14:21 |
| Sosumi | http://www.takepart.com/sites/default/files/pussy%20riot.jpeg | Apr 25 14:21 |
| Sosumi | http://www.redletterchristians.org/wp-content/uploads/Pussy-Riot-and-the-Temple-Incident.jpg | Apr 25 14:22 |
| Sosumi | http://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/3/6/6/67663.jpg | Apr 25 14:22 |
| MinceR | i see no "trashing" or "vandalism" here | Apr 25 14:22 |
| Sosumi | looks good to me | Apr 25 14:22 |
| msb__ | The masks are very unattractive. | Apr 25 14:22 |
| MinceR | so's christianity. | Apr 25 14:22 |
| msb__ | True, but PR wears those masks all the time. | Apr 25 14:23 |
| Sosumi | truly, examples of high morals | Apr 25 14:23 |
| MinceR | it's easy to have higher morals than those of abrahamic religions. | Apr 25 14:23 |
| Sosumi | the problem is | Apr 25 14:23 |
| Sosumi | with all religions | Apr 25 14:23 |
| msb__ | Wicca and Buddhism are good. | Apr 25 14:24 |
| Sosumi | there is one religion for the profane aka non initiated into the mysteries | Apr 25 14:24 |
| Sosumi | and another for the initiated | Apr 25 14:24 |
| Sosumi | what you read is nothing but the profane version of religion | Apr 25 14:24 |
| Sosumi | for the stupid | Apr 25 14:24 |
| MinceR | is that like the lower vs higher levels of scientology? | Apr 25 14:24 |
| Sosumi | no idea about scientology | Apr 25 14:25 |
| MinceR | they're pretty explicit about hiding higher-level details of the cult from outsiders and fresh initiates | Apr 25 14:25 |
| MinceR | ("don't read it yet or you will die"/copyright abuse) | Apr 25 14:25 |
| Sosumi | lol | Apr 25 14:26 |
| msb__ | The actual higher level of scientology is just pure racketeering. | Apr 25 14:26 |
| MinceR | most cults are like that, afaict | Apr 25 14:26 |
| Sosumi | forget scientology | Apr 25 14:26 |
| MinceR | "give us more power and money or you're going to hell" | Apr 25 14:26 |
| msb__ | The war with scientology was one of the great battles that took place on the Net. In alt.religion.scientology | Apr 25 14:27 |
| Sosumi | and look at the old cults of which aristotle, plato, cicero, aristophanes, pythagoras used to belong to | Apr 25 14:27 |
| Sosumi | in those cults there was idol worship for the profane | Apr 25 14:27 |
| Sosumi | and the fears of a dark and vindicative god | Apr 25 14:27 |
| Sosumi | while the initiated dedicated themselves to the study of physics, mathematics | Apr 25 14:27 |
| msb__ | Others are the Intel 386 floating-point bug and 9/11. | Apr 25 14:27 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 25 14:28 |
| Sosumi | in truth, there is no god | Apr 25 14:28 |
| Sosumi | only the pursuit of knowledge, virtue and a the amelioration of man's condition here | Apr 25 14:29 |
| msb__ | The fascists/corporatists must sorely regret the introduction of the Internet. The current elimination of Net Neutrality is one way they're fighting back against us. | Apr 25 14:30 |
| MinceR | Sosumi: so, what's the part of abrahamic religions for the initiated? where is it? | Apr 25 14:30 |
| MinceR | msb__: they're "fixing" it already | Apr 25 14:30 |
| MinceR | not just via eliminating Net Neutrality | Apr 25 14:30 |
| Sosumi | in the priesthood | Apr 25 14:30 |
| msb__ | MinceR: How else? | Apr 25 14:31 |
| MinceR | also via national firewalls (and other means of government censorship) and global surveillance | Apr 25 14:31 |
| MinceR | also, harmful laws | Apr 25 14:31 |
| MinceR | Sosumi: is it written down or is it communicated orally? | Apr 25 14:31 |
| MinceR | hm, that's not well-defined enough for the priesthood | Apr 25 14:32 |
| MinceR | i mean, do they just say it to each other? | Apr 25 14:32 |
| Sosumi | they kept it for each other | Apr 25 14:32 |
| MinceR | Sosumi: have you heard what it is? | Apr 25 14:33 |
| Sosumi | and as part of their initiation they were forbidden to spread that knowledge | Apr 25 14:33 |
| MinceR | how do you know it exists? | Apr 25 14:33 |
| msb__ | The Vatican robbed various libraries in the Middle Ages, but I doubt they have much that isn't common knowledge these days. | Apr 25 14:34 |
| Sosumi | why do you think socrates was made to drink the hemlock juice | Apr 25 14:34 |
| MinceR | i don't know, but i'm pretty sure he wasn't an abrahamic priest | Apr 25 14:34 |
| Sosumi | ab-raam | Apr 25 14:34 |
| MinceR | judaism, christianity, islam | Apr 25 14:35 |
| Sosumi | you're just mentioned a religious doctrine that got perfected during the age of the ram | Apr 25 14:35 |
| msb__ | For the same reason truth-tellers get chased out of nine villages. People want to shut up sources that tell them things contrary to their beliefs. It's part of the memetic defense mechanism in dominator culture. | Apr 25 14:36 |
| Sosumi | no idea why the hate | Apr 25 14:36 |
| Sosumi | why not hate its predecessors? | Apr 25 14:36 |
| Sosumi | the cult semiranis and nimrod? | Apr 25 14:37 |
| MinceR | what's the age of the ram? | Apr 25 14:37 |
| Sosumi | isis and osiris? odin and frrea | Apr 25 14:37 |
| Sosumi | the ages are measured in the procession of the equinoxes | Apr 25 14:38 |
| Sosumi | for example, christianity appeared during the age of pices | Apr 25 14:38 |
| Sosumi | that was why yeshua was called the fisherman of man | Apr 25 14:38 |
| Sosumi | now we are under the age of aqurious | Apr 25 14:39 |
| Sosumi | seems to me like someone needs to go study some astronomy | Apr 25 14:39 |
| MinceR | afaik this has nothing to do with astronomy | Apr 25 14:39 |
| Sosumi | ho it has | Apr 25 14:39 |
| msb__ | Hating is a pointless waste of energy. But it's important to spread the truth that the JCI (abrahamic) religions are very harmful to people. They all have a genocidal psychopath god, and are male-supremacist. | Apr 25 14:40 |
| MinceR | astrology is not astronomy | Apr 25 14:40 |
| Sosumi | astrology is again something of the profane | Apr 25 14:40 |
| MinceR | astronomy is not a religion | Apr 25 14:40 |
| msb__ | http://www.evilbible.com/ | Apr 25 14:40 |
| Sosumi | filled with nothing more than mysticism | Apr 25 14:40 |
| Sosumi | but you could explain the cycles through allegories | Apr 25 14:41 |
| Sosumi | and it was to the initiated to understand the true meaning | Apr 25 14:41 |
| Sosumi | aka lifting the veil | Apr 25 14:41 |
| MinceR | if you understand them, you can explain them without allegories | Apr 25 14:41 |
| Sosumi | exactly | Apr 25 14:42 |
| Sosumi | the battle between osiris and typhon was nothing more than cycle between night and day | Apr 25 14:42 |
| Sosumi | the arc of the convenant was nothing more than tracing a line between from where the sun rises to where the sun sets | Apr 25 14:43 |
| MinceR | not ignorant people's feeble attempt to explain why there was a night/day cycle? | Apr 25 14:43 |
| Sosumi | the virgin clothed with the sun | Apr 25 14:43 |
| Sosumi | is nothing more than the sun in the constallation of the virgin | Apr 25 14:43 |
| Sosumi | and so on | Apr 25 14:43 |
| Sosumi | it is all allegories | Apr 25 14:44 |
| Sosumi | hey the 12 apostles | Apr 25 14:44 |
| Sosumi | and yeshua | Apr 25 14:45 |
| Sosumi | nothing more than the 12 months and the sun going through them | Apr 25 14:45 |
| msb__ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjxSCAalsBE | Apr 25 14:47 |
| Sosumi | so it is much better to cast away the superstition and mysticism of whatever religion away | Apr 25 14:47 |
| *MinceR wonders what the bots are doing | Apr 25 14:47 | |
| msb__ | Bilkbot: The 5th Dimension Age of Aquarius 1969 | Apr 25 14:47 |
| MinceR | :D | Apr 25 14:48 |
| Sosumi | including the mocking of it, because it is a waste of time and instead you should pity the poor fools for not knowing better | Apr 25 14:48 |
| MinceR | i pity da foo | Apr 25 14:48 |
| msb__ | One of the great songs of the '60s Renaissance! | Apr 25 14:49 |
| Sosumi | I doubt it beat Tchaikovsky's 4th symphony | Apr 25 14:49 |
| Sosumi | which is also my favourite song | Apr 25 14:50 |
| msb__ | Competition among various good things is silly. There is an infinite variety. | Apr 25 14:52 |
| Sosumi | actually | Apr 25 14:52 |
| Sosumi | not according to Rockafeller | Apr 25 14:52 |
| Sosumi | :) | Apr 25 14:52 |
| msb__ | Psychic phenomena have been proven to exist, so it's possible that there's a psychic connection among the conscious species of the Universe. This would be a sort of god, like the Net forms a sort of global mind on Earth. | Apr 25 14:55 |
| msb__ | But it sure wouldn't be the evil Jehovah. | Apr 25 14:56 |
| Sosumi | jehova is a just and aspect of zoroastrianism | Apr 25 14:56 |
| Sosumi | *just an aspect | Apr 25 14:56 |
| msb__ | Did the Z god demand genital mutilation and subjugation of women? | Apr 25 14:57 |
| Sosumi | actually all he demanded was do unto others as you would like to be done to yourself | Apr 25 14:57 |
| Sosumi | aka the golden rule | Apr 25 14:57 |
| Sosumi | same went with confuncious | Apr 25 14:58 |
| msb__ | Well then, any derivation of jehovah from zoroastrianism is irrelevant. The Z god was good (beneficial), J was/is evil (harmful). | Apr 25 14:59 |
| Sosumi | genital mutilation aka circumcision was required to join the mysteries in Egypt | Apr 25 14:59 |
| Sosumi | as for the subjugation of women, well if it is patriarchal society what else would you expect | Apr 25 15:00 |
| MinceR | he also contradicted the "golden rule" | Apr 25 15:00 |
| Sosumi | no | Apr 25 15:00 |
| msb__ | It is JCI religion that *creates* patriarchal society. | Apr 25 15:00 |
| Sosumi | during those times the definitions of freedom were much different from what they are now | Apr 25 15:01 |
| MinceR | i would expect that people today don't proclaim the barbaric beliefs of an ancient society as eternal and perfect values. | Apr 25 15:01 |
| MinceR | and yet you can see what happens. | Apr 25 15:01 |
| Sosumi | since we are talking before common era | Apr 25 15:01 |
| msb__ | As Michael Parenti said, "There is one group of people that have always opposed and spoken out against slavery. They were called 'slaves'." | Apr 25 15:02 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 25 15:03 |
| Sosumi | actually, comparing the definitions of freedom from back in those days | Apr 25 15:03 |
| Sosumi | all you have too look is at saudi arabia and some parts of india | Apr 25 15:04 |
| Sosumi | and imagine it more brutish and miserable | Apr 25 15:04 |
| msb__ | I think the definition of "freedom" has been the same for thousands of years, because peoples' feelings when dominated have not changed. | Apr 25 15:04 |
| Sosumi | so no point in lambasting at the old folks from the times when egypt was fertile and chaldea the center of the world | Apr 25 15:06 |
| MinceR | i'm not lambasting them, i'm lambasting the ones who pretend nothing changed since then | Apr 25 15:07 |
| MinceR | and that nothing should ever change since then | Apr 25 15:07 |
| Sosumi | then KSA is that way -> | Apr 25 15:08 |
| Sosumi | :) | Apr 25 15:08 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, those people are not concentrated in KSA | Apr 25 15:08 |
| Sosumi | even iran and syria have evolved much better | Apr 25 15:08 |
| Sosumi | and if not for the sanctions and isolation | Apr 25 15:09 |
| MinceR | for example, the hungarian dictator is a christian fundamentalist | Apr 25 15:09 |
| msb__ | Read _The Chalice and the Blade_ by Riane Eisler. I hear it can even be found in the naughty place. | Apr 25 15:09 |
| Sosumi | it would open itself more to the new and better | Apr 25 15:09 |
| MinceR | and you pretty much can't have a political career in the usa if you're not openly fundie | Apr 25 15:09 |
| Sosumi | instead of being kind of closed into themselves | Apr 25 15:09 |
| MinceR | and of course the russian government is also entangled with a cult | Apr 25 15:09 |
| MinceR | apparently they replaced communism with a christian sect | Apr 25 15:10 |
| msb__ | which? | Apr 25 15:10 |
| MinceR | i'll look it up | Apr 25 15:11 |
| MinceR | russian orthodox | Apr 25 15:11 |
| msb__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Easter_Festival_Overture 1888 | Apr 25 15:13 |
| msb__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Church looks like it became the standard Russian religion starting around 1650. | Apr 25 15:18 |
| MinceR | sure, but communism took over for a while | Apr 25 15:18 |
| MinceR | along with a cult of personality (cults? personalities?) | Apr 25 15:18 |
| msb__ | Yes, I just meant that Putin's "sect" was just regular old Russian christianity, not something unusual. | Apr 25 15:19 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 25 15:20 |
| msb__ | Also, regarding communism being a cult, the same factors affected Bolshevism as affected North Korea. The USSR was invaded by troops from several capitalist nations immediately after the revolution, and millions of Russians were murdered. Years later, the Nazis, financed by the US and other nations ultra-wealthy capitalists, invaded Russia and murdered 20,000,000 people. These traumas caused the people to accept Stalinism for | Apr 25 15:24 |
| msb__ | protection. | Apr 25 15:24 |
| MinceR | well, it didn't protect them | Apr 25 15:26 |
| msb__ | It protected them to an extent, and the Russian military bravely fought the Nazi invaders and defeated them. | Apr 25 15:27 |
| MinceR | and killed plenty of their own | Apr 25 15:27 |
| MinceR | and kept most of the rest in squalor | Apr 25 15:28 |
| msb__ | That was the psychopathy of Stalinism, brought on by the previous trauma. | Apr 25 15:28 |
| msb__ | The russians were living in the mud before the bolsheviks pushed rapid industrialization. | Apr 25 15:29 |
| msb__ | They got a satellite up before we did! | Apr 25 15:29 |
| MinceR | and then they continued to live in the mud | Apr 25 15:30 |
| msb__ | Concrete apartment buildings. | Apr 25 15:30 |
| msb__ | not mud | Apr 25 15:30 |
| MinceR | ooh, something worse than mud | Apr 25 15:30 |
| MinceR | concrete boxes that they claimed were habitable | Apr 25 15:30 |
| MinceR | i know those all too well. | Apr 25 15:30 |
| msb__ | A huge advance in technology and industrialization in a few decades. | Apr 25 15:32 |
| MinceR | which would have been much greater, were it not for the communists | Apr 25 15:32 |
| msb__ | It didn't happen in other primitive nations. The communists focussed effort/energy on technology and industrialization. That didn't happen under capitalism with nearly as much speed, because it didn't make a profit (at first). | Apr 25 15:35 |
| MinceR | yet market economies turned out to be much more sustainable | Apr 25 15:36 |
| MinceR | and did much better | Apr 25 15:36 |
| MinceR | while the russian empire crumbled and lost its grip on its satellite states. | Apr 25 15:36 |
| msb__ | You're mixing various very different topics here. England also lost its empire. And we can see that the US empire is creating nothing but millions of deaths. | Apr 25 15:37 |
| MinceR | afaik most colony empires (including much of that of england) were given up voluntarily | Apr 25 15:38 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/25/iphone6-renders-curved-display-rounded-corners/ | Apr 25 17:00 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s5-pictures-6033.php | Apr 25 17:00 |
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| Sosumi | spot the differences | Apr 25 17:01 |
| Sosumi | I can start by saying that both look like crap | Apr 25 17:01 |
| Sosumi | and that samsung has employed that kind of design since the days of pocket pc 6 | Apr 25 17:02 |
| Sosumi | htc kind of too | Apr 25 17:02 |
| Sosumi | rounded corners were present on the htc tytn2 | Apr 25 17:02 |
| Sosumi | so who's gona sue now? | Apr 25 17:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines We’re a partner in the industrialization of IT, | Apr 25 17:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | says Red Hat CEO | #RHSummit | Apr 25 17:28 |
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| gde33 | I sill dont get net neutrality. The arguments seem hooked on a nice philosophy that is not practished by those told to preach it. | Apr 25 17:58 |
| gde33 | The way I see it, when the web started everyone made homepages, some grew bigger, some just had a donation button. | Apr 25 17:58 |
| gde33 | A tiny percentage started a sort of ponzi business. | Apr 25 17:59 |
| gde33 | what successful websites did wasn't so important | Apr 25 17:59 |
| gde33 | it was what unsuccessful ones did. | Apr 25 17:59 |
| gde33 | they just pulled the plug when the visitors didnt come anymore | Apr 25 17:59 |
| gde33 | at first everyone had traffic and goodwill worth thousands of bucks in the old ecconomy. | Apr 25 18:00 |
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| gde33 | then slowly everyone went to big websites facebook, ars, hackers news, etc | Apr 25 18:01 |
| gde33 | now everyone is a corporate fanboy and they will cry about you even having a personal homepage, you weirdo! | Apr 25 18:01 |
| gde33 | Corporations that dont have to pay anything for their infrastructure, because that is the most neutral way of doing things? lol? | Apr 25 18:02 |
| gde33 | We've already assumed the postion of corporate slavery, net neutrality isn't going to save you from it. | Apr 25 18:03 |
| gde33 | I think the opposite, if all the entertainment is moved into containment we can finally be serious about things | Apr 25 18:04 |
| gde33 | I wouldnt have to make cheap jokes about people all day long, nor have to listen to any | Apr 25 18:04 |
| gde33 | I still value peoples opinion, but if it has to come as an arstecnica topic with 400 postings in it, no structure or organization, no established authors. I'm just not going to read the sound bites. | Apr 25 18:06 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3984037 | Apr 25 18:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Firefox is almost 13 years old, but it still uses an arcane, difficult interface like about:config for some rather basic settings. | Apr 25 18:43 | |
| schestowitz__ | "... as long as it works - why not?" | Apr 25 18:43 |
| schestowitz__ | That's the thing. It STOPPED working for me and searching for a fix is too hard. In mobille, Firefox doesn't even expose proxy settings in the GUI | Apr 25 18:44 |
| cubezzz | gde33, there's been some ideas about that | Apr 25 18:54 |
| cubezzz | generally for people who want to do their own thing, there | Apr 25 18:55 |
| cubezzz | 's old style BBSes, or they run there own servers | Apr 25 18:56 |
| cubezzz | s/there/their/ | Apr 25 18:56 |
| cubezzz | oops, cancel that last statement | Apr 25 18:56 |
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| Sosumi | firefox's settings are ok | Apr 25 19:58 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Apr 25 20:45 |
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| msb__ | schestowitz__: What's not working for you in Firefox? | Apr 25 21:18 |
| Sosumi | probably why firefox isn't enough safari | Apr 25 21:19 |
| Sosumi | just with a single settings pane | Apr 25 21:19 |
| MinceR | 194419 < schestowitz__> That's the thing. It STOPPED working for me and searching for a fix is too hard. In mobille, Firefox doesn't even expose proxy settings in the GUI | Apr 25 21:21 |
| MinceR | the Proxy Mobile extension exposes them | Apr 25 21:21 |
| MinceR | handy for Tor/Orbot :) | Apr 25 21:22 |
| msb__ | FF has 8 panes plus lots of parameters in about:config. But they're all pretty easy to find and adjust. | Apr 25 21:22 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, they keep throwing stuff away, so you can only reach them in about:config | Apr 25 21:22 |
| MinceR | iirc recently they removed the javascript switch, for example | Apr 25 21:22 |
| MinceR | they added that stupid URL trimming misfeature and you can only disable it in about:config | Apr 25 21:23 |
| msb__ | You mean where it doesn't show "http://" in the URL slot? | Apr 25 21:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Couldn't resolve host '"' ( status 0 @ http://" ) | Apr 25 21:24 | |
| MinceR | yes, that | Apr 25 21:24 |
| msb__ | But if you copy it with the mouse you get that, so it's ok. | Apr 25 21:25 |
| MinceR | it annoys me anyway | Apr 25 21:25 |
| msb__ | So many people use FF that you can always find a fix by googling. Also, there are lots of great addons. I found an excellent one that made my smooth scrolling perfect (once I adjusted it). | Apr 25 21:27 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 25 21:27 |
| schestowitz__ | http://cdn.viralnova.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/irony22.jpg | Apr 25 21:28 |
| schestowitz__ | MinceR: aha | Apr 25 21:29 |
| schestowitz__ | too late | Apr 25 21:29 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 25 21:29 |
| schestowitz__ | I moved to another browser | Apr 25 21:29 |
| schestowitz__ | [21:25] <msb__> But if you copy it with the mouse you get that, so it's ok. | Apr 25 21:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Not always | Apr 25 21:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Google started this crap | Apr 25 21:30 |
| schestowitz__ | and Firefox implemented this later | Apr 25 21:30 |
| schestowitz__ | something it does not copy the omitted part | Apr 25 21:30 |
| msb__ | Can't remember that happening. Are you using the latest version for Linux> | Apr 25 21:31 |
| msb__ | ? | Apr 25 21:31 |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: So why did you switch? What was the problem? | Apr 25 21:32 |
| schestowitz__ | proxy issues | Apr 25 21:33 |
| schestowitz__ | with tor probably | Apr 25 21:33 |
| msb__ | Sorry, not in my area of knowledge. | Apr 25 21:34 |
| msb__ | You might look for an add-on to fix it, | Apr 25 21:35 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft has enveloped Nokia :-/ | Apr 25 21:35 |
| msb__ | Like an amoeba and its prey? | Apr 25 21:36 |
| cubezzz | basically | Apr 25 21:36 |
| MinceR | suicidal prey, in this case | Apr 25 21:36 |
| cubezzz | does Nokia make Android smartphones? | Apr 25 21:37 |
| MinceR | they make the nokia x | Apr 25 21:37 |
| MinceR | with crippled android | Apr 25 21:37 |
| MinceR | also, crippled hardware | Apr 25 21:37 |
| MinceR | so, typical nokia product after the fall | Apr 25 21:37 |
| MinceR | with butt-ugly winblowsoid skin | Apr 25 21:38 |
| MinceR | basically any low-end chinese android phone you dig out of the bargain bin is better and cheaper | Apr 25 21:39 |
| MinceR | (just like it's better and cheaper than any winblows phone and any hypePhone) | Apr 25 21:39 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I guess it's just as well that my phone got a factory reset. I should have done that after the major android update anyway. | Apr 25 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | It seems to be faster now. | Apr 25 21:41 |
| DaemonFC | I'm moving all my important mail over to gmail because it just works better with the chromebook and Android. | Apr 25 21:42 |
| cubezzz | watching Microsoft's acquisitions is probably a good idea | Apr 25 21:42 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 25 21:42 |
| cubezzz | they just keep acquiring more and more companies | Apr 25 21:42 |
| MinceR | just to show you that usian antitrust laws don't work | Apr 25 21:43 |
| MinceR | also, they don't work anywhere else either | Apr 25 21:43 |
| msb__ | Doesn't gmail scan all your mail so it can send you ads? | Apr 25 21:43 |
| MinceR | it does | Apr 25 21:44 |
| MinceR | it also keeps the back door wide open so governments can read your mail | Apr 25 21:44 |
| MinceR | though i guess not wide enough as the red chinese did try to crack the backdoor for more access | Apr 25 21:45 |
| msb__ | This all is google's idea of "doing no harm"? | Apr 25 21:45 |
| MinceR | no, this is google's idea of "doing no evil" | Apr 25 21:46 |
| DaemonFC | msb__: Yeah. Gmail has a folder of "promotions" now. | Apr 25 21:47 |
| MinceR | that's just where it files your ad-like non-spam mail | Apr 25 21:47 |
| DaemonFC | You don't have to look at it and it doesn't count against your Drive storage. | Apr 25 21:47 |
| MinceR | like mailing lists you're willing to read :> | Apr 25 21:47 |
| MinceR | of shops and whatever | Apr 25 21:48 |
| DaemonFC | There's some battery saving app now from CleanMaster. | Apr 25 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | It says it saves battery power by shutting down apps. | Apr 25 21:49 |
| DaemonFC | iPhone users that close apps tend to get worse battery life, because they have to load the entire app again and have it refresh each time they open it. | Apr 25 21:50 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose Google knows this and that's why it just leaves it up to the app. | Apr 25 21:50 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 25 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | I have an application from Qualcomm called Battery Guru that stops battery draining behavior anyway. | Apr 25 21:51 |
| MinceR | also, android suspends app ui processes when they aren't visible | Apr 25 21:51 |
| MinceR | only service processes keep running | Apr 25 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | It stops frivolous app refresh requests and shuts down my mobile data after 15 minutes of non-use. | Apr 25 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | Battery Guru seems to help. | Apr 25 21:51 |
| DaemonFC | It stops apps like Facebook from refreshing in the background every few minutes. | Apr 25 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | It lets them update like once every hour or when it decides to turn your data back on. :) | Apr 25 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | It doesn't stop push messages when it's blocking refresh requests though. | Apr 25 21:52 |
| DaemonFC | So you know if people message you while refresh has been suppressed. | Apr 25 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | I'd guess that I get about 30-35% more time on my battery with that app installed. | Apr 25 21:53 |
| DaemonFC | Facebook likes to go in every 5-10 minutes and refresh the stream so it is always up to date when you look at it. But, I'd rather just have it take a few seconds each time I tap on it than make refresh requests so often. | Apr 25 21:54 |
| DaemonFC | By default, they're draining your battery to make their own app seem a little faster. | Apr 25 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | iPhone users can't do anything about this. | Apr 25 21:55 |
| MinceR | i don't use dumbFuckBook :> | Apr 25 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | Well, with iPhone, you have to uninstall Facebook to make it stop, because it says it's a "VOIP" app, and gains access to background refresh that way. | Apr 25 21:55 |
| msb__ | Me either. Saves 35% of my brain energy! | Apr 25 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | They get away with that because you can use facebook messenger to make voice calls now. | Apr 25 21:55 |
| DaemonFC | I'll bet that's the only reason they implemented that feature. | Apr 25 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | Without it, they wouldn't have gotten that VOIP exception from Apple. | Apr 25 21:56 |
| MinceR | i think you can also disable the app | Apr 25 21:56 |
| DaemonFC | Normal apps are not allowed to do that, because Apple doesn't give them access to that feature. | Apr 25 21:56 |
| MinceR | oh, hypePhone | Apr 25 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | I think this will be like the Zawinski's Law of Software Envelopment. | Apr 25 21:57 |
| MinceR | hypePhone users are just harmking themselves | Apr 25 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | Every iPhone app will expand until it has voice calls. | Apr 25 21:57 |
| MinceR | s/mk/m/ | Apr 25 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 25 21:57 |
| DaemonFC | If you want to be allowed to drain the battery, you just add some kind of voice calling feature to your app. | Apr 25 21:58 |
| MinceR | jwz has a hypePhone | Apr 25 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/rtJ7snacAh | Apr 25 21:58 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LG opening up WebOS, Smart TV winning raves | Apr 25 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/X524G3Fb8L | Apr 25 21:58 |
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| MinceR | it's sad that his brain stopped working. | Apr 25 21:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Apr 25 21:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LG opening up WebOS, Smart TV winning raves | Tux Machines | Apr 25 21:58 | |
| msb__ | jwz? | Apr 25 21:58 |
| MinceR | jamie zawinski | Apr 25 21:59 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Apr 25 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | Someone that uses an iPhone asked me why I don't like Apple. | Apr 25 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | yesterday | Apr 25 22:00 |
| DaemonFC | I usually just point them to Stallman.org/Apple | Apr 25 22:01 |
| DaemonFC | His list has all of my reasons for avoiding them and more. | Apr 25 22:01 |
| msb__ | http://stallman.org/apple -- lower-case "a" | Apr 25 22:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Apple | Apr 25 22:03 | |
| msb__ | Lots of good info there! | Apr 25 22:08 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Thanks! I'll send it to some Mac-using friends. | Apr 25 22:09 |
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| MinceR | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl4w9eLIAAAMreK.jpg:large | Apr 25 22:24 |
| cubezzz | of course apple is bad now | Apr 25 22:27 |
| cubezzz | originally they were OK with the apple II | Apr 25 22:27 |
| MinceR | it always was, at least since the macintoy and the lisa | Apr 25 22:27 |
| MinceR | and the crApple III | Apr 25 22:27 |
| cubezzz | ok, basically everything was bad except the Apple II :) | Apr 25 22:27 |
| MinceR | what was the apple I like? | Apr 25 22:28 |
| MinceR | and the various apple II variants? | Apr 25 22:28 |
| cubezzz | it was a kit, you had to build it up | Apr 25 22:28 |
| MinceR | i know | Apr 25 22:28 |
| cubezzz | Apple II was kind of like a C64 with better expansion slots | Apr 25 22:28 |
| cubezzz | 6502 cpu | Apr 25 22:29 |
| MinceR | and worse graphics? :> | Apr 25 22:29 |
| cubezzz | yeah 280x192 vs 320x200 | Apr 25 22:29 |
| cubezzz | but it's 5 years older | Apr 25 22:30 |
| cubezzz | it's what the rich kids bought in the late 70's | Apr 25 22:30 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 25 22:30 |
| cubezzz | c64 debuted at $595 | Apr 25 22:31 |
| cubezzz | Apple II was $1298 | Apr 25 22:31 |
| cubezzz | the early 1990's was an interesting period for software developers | Apr 25 22:41 |
| cubezzz | there was C64, Apple II, Mac, IBM compatibles, Amiga and Atari | Apr 25 22:41 |
| MinceR | "may you live in interesting times" | Apr 25 22:41 |
| cubezzz | some software houses didn't support all of them, but there were some that did | Apr 25 22:41 |
| DaemonFC | uggh | Apr 25 22:42 |
| DaemonFC | a psychotic ex just showed up | Apr 25 22:42 |
| cubezzz | on the console side there was gameboy, nintendo, and sega genesis | Apr 25 22:42 |
| cubezzz | Loki Software didn't appear until 1998 | Apr 25 22:45 |
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| msb__ | Isn't that a Microsoft API? Psychotic-X ? | Apr 25 22:53 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 25 22:53 |
| MinceR | a good match for RadioActiveX and DirectSuX | Apr 25 22:53 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Where should we send the cops if you call for help? | Apr 25 22:54 |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | Apr 25 22:56 |
| DaemonFC | maybe I should buy a gun | Apr 25 22:56 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft owns a stake in UUNet | Apr 25 22:56 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Are you OK? Is he gone? | Apr 25 22:56 |
| cubezzz | and Rogers too :-/ | Apr 25 22:57 |
| DaemonFC | msb__: For now I think. | Apr 25 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | He got on my wifi and deleted a bunch of his accounts and shit and then claimed it was me that did it. | Apr 25 23:01 |
| DaemonFC | and he says he's gone to the police about it. | Apr 25 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know what this is about. | Apr 25 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | I changed all my passwords, including my wifi | Apr 25 23:02 |
| msb__ | Sounds pretty nuts! | Apr 25 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | oh, if he even did it | Apr 25 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | he's a liar | Apr 25 23:02 |
| DaemonFC | he lies about everything, even stuff that doesn't really matter | Apr 25 23:02 |
| msb__ | This could be an Lifetime movie, but they only do hetero psychotic-exes. | Apr 25 23:03 |
| cubezzz | probably a windows user too :) | Apr 25 23:06 |
| msb__ | On the evil ISP topic, Earthlink is owned by scientologists. | Apr 25 23:06 |
| msb__ | I hide my contact info in my domain record because I got death threats from some windows programmer! He wrote a Windows program and was angry that Linux was taking people away from Windows. | Apr 25 23:07 |
| cubezzz | haha | Apr 25 23:08 |
| cubezzz | anyone I know? | Apr 25 23:08 |
| msb__ | He was in Silicon Valley, California. Wrote a compiler supervisor program that would multitask. I don't remember his name. | Apr 25 23:09 |
| msb__ | Somewhere near San Jose, Calif. | Apr 25 23:10 |
| msb__ | I had a nice address on Mars in there, but they made me take it out and do standard anonymity. | Apr 25 23:12 |
| cubezzz | why did he get so upset at you? | Apr 25 23:12 |
| msb__ | 314 Tsiolkovsky Way, Dome 6, Mars City, Elysium Planitia EP178R51 | Apr 25 23:13 |
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| cubezzz | it's true that Windows and Linux folks don't get along too well, but usually they refrain from making death threats | Apr 25 23:14 |
| msb__ | I don't remember. Maybe I said Linux was better than Windows. More than once. | Apr 25 23:14 |
| msb__ | COLA is full of MS advos. That DFS that was in here a few days ago is a major one. | Apr 25 23:15 |
| msb__ | They're very nasty. Post pictures of turds floating in a toilet, etc. | Apr 25 23:15 |
| msb__ | Maybe I said gcc was much better than MSC. | Apr 25 23:16 |
| msb__ | This happened in COLA. So the guy was there to harass us anyhow. | Apr 25 23:17 |
| MinceR | how dare you? only m$ fans have the right to speak! :> | Apr 25 23:17 |
| msb__ | Right. In our own newsgroup. | Apr 25 23:18 |
| cubezzz | well I bet if he knew the whole story he would change his mind | Apr 25 23:18 |
| msb__ | Probably no mind there to change. | Apr 25 23:18 |
| cubezzz | because everything, icc, gcc, pcc, all derived from Unix v7 cc | Apr 25 23:18 |
| cubezzz | and the Microsoft compiler is from Lattice C | Apr 25 23:19 |
| cubezzz | gcc is important though, since like the original cc it was open source | Apr 25 23:19 |
| msb__ | Well it stunk back then. I had to turn off all the optimizations or it would write totally bad code. Divide by zero, etc. | Apr 25 23:20 |
| cubezzz | so when gcc matured, yes that was a big deal | Apr 25 23:20 |
| cubezzz | and pcc also got started at Bell Labs | Apr 25 23:21 |
| cubezzz | http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/History | Apr 25 23:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gcc.gnu.org | History - GCC Wiki | Apr 25 23:24 | |
| msb__ | cubezzz: If cc was open source, why did RMS have to write gcc from scratch? | Apr 25 23:28 |
| cubezzz | he didn't want to use any AT&T code | Apr 25 23:29 |
| cubezzz | he can't just convert pcc to gpl | Apr 25 23:32 |
| cubezzz | he probably thought it was important to have a compiler with a GPL license, which would have been impossible with pcc | Apr 25 23:33 |
| msb__ | Stay out of the clutches of the Giant Amoeba! | Apr 25 23:33 |
| cubezzz | the whole point of the GNU project was the idea of copyleft | Apr 25 23:34 |
| cubezzz | the BSD guys think differently on this point | Apr 25 23:34 |
| msb__ | Yep. | Apr 25 23:34 |
| cubezzz | BSD folks say "We are the middle choice" | Apr 25 23:34 |
| cubezzz | not copyright, but also not copyleft either | Apr 25 23:35 |
| msb__ | So we salute them with our middle finger! | Apr 25 23:35 |
| cubezzz | haha, well... | Apr 25 23:36 |
| cubezzz | I use the BSDs, and Plan 9 and Linux | Apr 25 23:36 |
| msb__ | Actually it's nice if we're allies. | Apr 25 23:36 |
| msb__ | When are you going to get a B6600 and write code in ALGOL68? | Apr 25 23:37 |
| msb__ | You could get a small reactor to power it. | Apr 25 23:38 |
| cubezzz | well that was related to APL | Apr 25 23:38 |
| msb__ | I thought it came from ALGOL60. | Apr 25 23:39 |
| cubezzz | ah no, what I mean is my interesting in Burroughs is mainly due to my interest in the historical versions of APL | Apr 25 23:40 |
| msb__ | ALGOL68 was supposed to be "orthogonal", meaning that every design principle could be applied to every type of object (I guess unless it was really ridiculous). | Apr 25 23:42 |
| msb__ | It had a double-layer grammer, that generated an infinite number of production rules. | Apr 25 23:42 |
| cubezzz | there was APL\5500 and... ummm APL\700 I think it was | Apr 25 23:42 |
| msb__ | The defining document had lots of references to Alice in Wonderland! | Apr 25 23:42 |
| cubezzz | APL\5500 ran on the Burroughs B5500 of course | Apr 25 23:43 |
| cubezzz | so yeah we have the ALGOL68 source for APL\5500 | Apr 25 23:46 |
| cubezzz | I haven't really looked at it much | Apr 25 23:47 |
| cubezzz | no free emulator for B5500 as yet, but people are working on it | Apr 25 23:48 |
| cubezzz | Linux has the ALGOL 68 Genie project, so I can use that if I really want to write algol programs | Apr 25 23:49 |
| msb__ | Back when I was following the ALGOLs, only one group managed to make a compiler for '68, but it cheated and used a single-level grammar with kludges. | Apr 25 23:50 |
| DaemonFC | msb__: That's what sucks so much about having a psychotic ex that's the same gender as you. If you complain to the police or anything about it, then you have to deal with small town bigotry. | Apr 25 23:56 |
| msb__ | I was attacked by a cop in Philadelphia just because I had long hair. Walking at night, nobody around, not doing anything. | Apr 25 23:59 |
| DaemonFC | 20 secs · | Apr 26 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | That's what sucks about having a crazy ex that's the same gender as you are. If you complain to the police or anyone about it, you get to deal with right-wing Indiana small town bigotry. | Apr 26 00:00 |
| MinceR | http://cl.ly/image/2C1T0N451E1b | Apr 26 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | That's exactly why Jeffrey Dahmer wasn't captured earlier. The police actually returned one of his victims to him and then laughed about his "drunken gay boyfriend" instead of investigating what was actually going on in there. | Apr 26 00:00 |
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| DaemonFC | Judges can strike down whatever awful laws they want, but it doesn't change the fact that the public sucks. If the voting public wasn't a bunch of backwards retards, states like Indiana wouldn't have anti-equality laws to begin with. | Apr 26 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | I put that on Facebook. :P | Apr 26 00:00 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: I was just kidding, and also confused. The successor to the B5500 was the B6700, not 6600. I'm pretty sure it was a B6700 manual that I got, and was totally thrilled by. | Apr 26 00:00 |
| DaemonFC | Out of an abundance of caution, I shredded my browser profiles with GNU Shred. | Apr 26 00:01 |
| msb__ | And those machines ran ALGOL60 (more or less), not 68. | Apr 26 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | Then I rounded up anything that belonged to him, and threw it in the trash someplace else. | Apr 26 00:01 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't done anything wrong, but unfortunately, that doesn't actually matter if the police want to harass you. | Apr 26 00:02 |
| cubezzz | msb_, yeah the only two Burroughs machines I know anything about are B5500, B6700 and B7700 | Apr 26 00:02 |
| cubezzz | that's mainly due to my interest in APL | Apr 26 00:02 |
| cubezzz | oops, three machines :) | Apr 26 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | They might go into your house over one thing, but they're looking for anything they can stick to you. | Apr 26 00:02 |
| DaemonFC | I might switch my OS over to Ubuntu and encrypt my home folder. | Apr 26 00:03 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Yeah, making someone wrong gains points for them. A bad system. | Apr 26 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't really want to encrypt my home folder because it slows stuff down. | Apr 26 00:03 |
| DaemonFC | and if you need to legitimately recover your own data, that can cause problems | Apr 26 00:03 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: As long as all your sexy pictures are of people over 18, they're legal, right? | Apr 26 00:05 |
| msb__ | So all the cops could get you for is making them cream their pants when they look at it. Send you the dry-cleaning bill. | Apr 26 00:06 |
| DaemonFC | well, a copyright violation perhaps. | Apr 26 00:06 |
| msb__ | It could make them reveal (dare I say "expose") themselves. Is there a law against De-Closetation of a Police Officer? | Apr 26 00:07 |
| msb__ | Defenestration, but that's different. | Apr 26 00:11 |
| cubezzz | msb_, I honesty am not sure if B5500 used ALGOL60 or ALGOL68 | Apr 26 00:14 |
| cubezzz | it might have been both | Apr 26 00:14 |
| cubezzz | the APL code was dated after 1970 at any rate | Apr 26 00:15 |
| cubezzz | I can't tell which version of ALGOL it is | Apr 26 00:15 |
| msb__ | This is an interesting read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algol-68 | Apr 26 00:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | ALGOL 68 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Apr 26 00:20 | |
| msb__ | I'm pretty sure the B5500/B6700 was designed for an ALGOL very close to 60, probably with some extensions. 68 was an entirely different beast. | Apr 26 00:21 |
| msb__ | A computer designed to execute ALGOL68 programs would have to have hardware extensions into hyperspace. | Apr 26 00:24 |
| msb__ | A good subject for a Rudy Rucker story. | Apr 26 00:25 |
| DaemonFC | msb__: I suppose there's no good reason to have tons of porn on my hard drive anyway. | Apr 26 00:49 |
| DaemonFC | Stream it. | Apr 26 00:49 |
| msb__ | Of course there is. And where are you going to stream it from? | Apr 26 00:51 |
| msb__ | The only reason not to have tons of porn on your hard drive is if it causes an imbalance and makes the drive shake, which is bad for the bearings. | Apr 26 00:53 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 26 00:54 |
| DaemonFC | 51.2 GB for the OS. 4 GB for the SWAP file, 1.86 TB for porn. | Apr 26 00:54 |
| msb__ | That sounds about right. | Apr 26 00:54 |
| cubezzz | msb__, you are right, it's ALGOL 60 with extensions | Apr 26 01:01 |
| msb__ | Yes, ALGOL68 was designed for trans-dimensional beings, whose minds are infinitely-indexed memory banks. | Apr 26 01:04 |
| MinceR | turing machines? | Apr 26 01:05 |
| msb__ | Touring machines. | Apr 26 01:05 |
| msb__ | ALGOL68 is fun to read about, but it's very dangerous. With its orthogonality, every piece of code will execute and do something, because anything can modify and define anything else. Thus a simple typo in a program might cause it to generate a black hole when it executes, and swallow the entire planet. | Apr 26 01:08 |
| msb__ | It's like that program I wrote for the LINC. It filled a large section of memory with random numbers, and then executed them as LINC instructions. It wouldn't execute the HALT instruction, nor modify memory outside that designated section, but inside it, it could modify itself with total freedom. | Apr 26 01:13 |
| msb__ | I stopped running it when the computer began to glow with an eerie green light, and I saw these... creatures, swimming through the air. Then they started looking at me. I shut down that program, burned the paper tape it was written on, and never ran it again. | Apr 26 01:15 |
| DaemonFC | My next desktop computer will probably be a Chromebox. | Apr 26 01:17 |
| DaemonFC | I like my Chromebook. | Apr 26 01:17 |
| msb__ | Is it all open source? | Apr 26 01:23 |
| msb__ | And user-modifiable? | Apr 26 01:23 |
| cubezzz | the chromebooks have seabios so that gets a thumbs up from me | Apr 26 01:24 |
| msb__ | If you can't go through it and de-louse it, you'll be getting ads from porno distributors that you never heard of. | Apr 26 01:25 |
| cubezzz | you can change the OS, there's a few wiki's on how to do it | Apr 26 01:26 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 26 01:26 |
| cubezzz | if you don't like Chrome OS | Apr 26 01:26 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: That's good, but what's in the OS and utilities that go on top of it. | Apr 26 01:26 |
| cubezzz | it's Chrome OS out of the box | Apr 26 01:26 |
| msb__ | Will Chrome fanboys be called Chrome-Domes? If so, you heard it here first. | Apr 26 01:27 |
| msb__ | Google Chrome OS is a Linux kernel-based operating system designed by Google to work primarily with web applications. The user interface takes a minimalist approach and consists almost entirely of just the Google Chrome web browser; | Apr 26 01:30 |
| msb__ | ...wiki | Apr 26 01:31 |
| msb__ | Sounds like it's really embedded in Google corp. | Apr 26 01:32 |
| msb__ | aka google gorp. | Apr 26 01:37 |
| msb__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrome_OS | Apr 26 01:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Chrome OS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Apr 26 01:37 | |
| cubezzz | yes well that's why I mentioned replacing Chrome OS with something else :) | Apr 26 01:41 |
| cubezzz | e.g. debian or whatever | Apr 26 01:41 |
| msb__ | (suse is nice) | Apr 26 01:41 |
| DaemonFC | Chrome OS is really easy to use and the web apps are more powerful than I thought they'd be. | Apr 26 01:42 |
| cubezzz | I assume Google gives out programming specs for it | Apr 26 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | It runs on some really minimal hardware that even something like Xubuntu wouldn't run very well on. | Apr 26 01:42 |
| cubezzz | so it should be possible to adapt it to any open source OS | Apr 26 01:42 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: There's the Chromium OS project. | Apr 26 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | So like almost all of it is open source. | Apr 26 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | It comes with a few proprietary bits though. | Apr 26 01:43 |
| DaemonFC | Flash, for example | Apr 26 01:43 |
| msb__ | OK, but if you come back and tell us that you're totally straight, and by the way have accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as you personal savior, we'll know they got to you. | Apr 26 01:45 |
| msb__ | I don't trust corporations. | Apr 26 01:45 |
| msb__ | Didn't we just see an article about how Google is totally working with the US govt on surveillance drones or something? | Apr 26 01:47 |
| msb__ | Oh yeah, http://pando.com/2014/04/23/the-revolving-door-between-google-and-the-department-of-defense/ | Apr 26 01:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pando.com | The revolving door between Google and the Department of Defense | PandoDaily [ http://ur1.ca/h5s5n ] | Apr 26 01:49 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-paper.li | Hello webOS | Apr 26 07:04 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @Steinhage Hello webOS is out! http://t.co/aDWlEJGfrn | Apr 26 08:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Stories via @tuxmachines @reeder29 @RTwebOS | Apr 26 08:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h6q7w | Apr 26 08:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linkis.com | Hello webOS - Linkis.com | Apr 26 08:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Preventing Heartbleeds, Red Hat Oversold, and | Apr 26 08:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Lightworks Review http://t.co/WcjKFHmTKA | Apr 26 08:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h6q7x | Apr 26 08:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Preventing Heartbleeds, Red Hat Oversold, and Lightworks Review | Tux Machines | Apr 26 08:17 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Banana Pi: The next generation of single-board | Apr 26 08:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | computers? http://t.co/fMz4ZKMzUC | Apr 26 08:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h6q7y | Apr 26 08:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Banana Pi: The next generation of single-board computers? | Tux Machines | Apr 26 08:17 | |
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| Sosumi | https://twitter.com/AurelianoFerri/status/446220083153879040 | Apr 26 13:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AurelianoFerri: Arseniy #Yatsenyuk il "democratico" primo ministro dell'#Ucraina the "democratic" PM of #Ukraine http://t.co/Aa9ToNntBq thx @ZaRdOz420WPN | Apr 26 13:10 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ZaRdOz420WPN: Arseniy Yatsenyuk #RightSector #Ukraine #Fascism #Nationalism #Nazi #NED #CIA #IMF https://t.co/LZx0ABy9G3 http://t.co/iJd50dXVYh | Apr 26 13:10 | |
| Sosumi | heil shicklegruber | Apr 26 13:10 |
| Sosumi | Ratsenyuk, following the steps of Stepan Bandera | Apr 26 13:19 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Apr 26 14:23 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD Catalyst™ 14.4 Linux Release Notes | Apr 26 16:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/sl8iX3ojMn | Apr 26 16:41 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h6t7n | Apr 26 16:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD Catalyst™ 14.4 Linux Release Notes | Tux Machines | Apr 26 16:41 | |
| Sosumi | http://www.hardocp.com/news/2014/04/26/microsoft_may_halt_xbox_one_production/ | Apr 26 18:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hardocp.com | HARDOCP - Microsoft May Halt Xbox One Production [ http://ur1.ca/h6u2y ] | Apr 26 18:07 | |
| Sosumi | lololololololol abd infinitum | Apr 26 18:07 |
| Sosumi | *add | Apr 26 18:07 |
| Sosumi | wanting to clear inventory before ramping production again | Apr 26 18:09 |
| Sosumi | m$ lost it after halo 3 | Apr 26 18:09 |
| Sosumi | after that the ps3 picked up | Apr 26 18:10 |
| msb__ | Sosumi: Are you there? | Apr 26 18:34 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_14ecbe7071b335908252.jpg | Apr 26 18:51 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 26 18:51 |
| MinceR | that must be very uncomfortable | Apr 26 18:51 |
| MinceR | if it's made of that wire | Apr 26 18:51 |
| schestowitz__ | watch closely :-) it's a hammock hanging | Apr 26 18:53 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 26 18:54 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3978295 | Apr 26 18:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The reasons companies funnel money to "Linux" (foundation) is not that Linux is so exceptional compared to GNU but misnaming of the system | Apr 26 18:58 | |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 26 18:58 |
| schestowitz__ | Linus clearly understands the benefits of software freedom and Linux, which is GPL'd, is clearly copyleft free software. Linus has decried binary blobs and has often talked about the benefits of group cooperation and commons. | Apr 26 18:58 |
| schestowitz__ | Don't let the Microsoft press tell you what Linux thinks, watch his speeches for yourself. An excellent speech to watch is the infamous "FU Nividia" speech. It is true that Linus told Nvidia to fuck off, but that is only a tiny portion of the talk. Most of it is about the benefits of having all sorts of people working on Linux, like how the combined expertise fosters solutions that would never have occurred to more focused groups on | Apr 26 18:58 |
| schestowitz__ | their own. While Linus does not say so out loud, you can see that he understands the tragedy of BSD and Unix which splintered. | Apr 26 18:58 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 26 18:58 |
| schestowitz__ | +1 to that, on creating a rift | Apr 26 18:58 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/post/3987526 | Apr 26 19:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ https://joindiaspora.com/post/3987526 ) | Apr 26 19:00 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3987526 | Apr 26 19:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: State Dept Launches 'Free the Press' Campaign While DOJ Asks Supreme Court to Force Reporter James Risen Into Jail https://pressfreedomfoundation.org/blog/2014/04/state-dept-launches-free-press-campaign-while-doj-supreme-court-force-reporter #US #journalism | Apr 26 19:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> pressfreedomfoundation.org | State Dept Launches 'Free the Press' Campaign While DOJ Asks Supreme Court to Force Reporter James Risen Into Jail | Freedom of the Press Foundation [ http://ur1.ca/h6ulv ] | Apr 26 19:00 | |
| Sosumi | I'm here now | Apr 26 19:06 |
| Sosumi | but now I'm gone | Apr 26 19:06 |
| schestowitz__ | exccellent news re xbox oone | Apr 26 19:11 |
| schestowitz__ | people have a day field with it now | Apr 26 19:11 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Graphics News http://t.co/epdhaa4d6Z | Apr 26 19:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h6ur9 | Apr 26 19:17 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Graphics News | Tux Machines | Apr 26 19:17 | |
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| _Goblin | schestowitz, I don't suppose you are about? | Apr 26 19:57 |
| schestowitz__ | I am, what's up? | Apr 26 19:58 |
| schestowitz__ | recording? | Apr 26 19:58 |
| _Goblin | yep | Apr 26 20:01 |
| _Goblin | if you want... | Apr 26 20:01 |
| Sosumi | recording? | Apr 26 20:02 |
| Sosumi | an album about free software? | Apr 26 20:02 |
| Sosumi | :) | Apr 26 20:02 |
| _Goblin | yeah..... | Apr 26 20:03 |
| _Goblin | like a kylie and Jason type track | Apr 26 20:03 |
| schestowitz__ | _Goblin: what time roughly? | Apr 26 20:03 |
| _Goblin | what time suits you? | Apr 26 20:03 |
| *TweetTuxMachines @RedditLinux favourited 'Linux Graphics News http://t.co/epdhaa4d6Z' | Apr 26 20:06 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open source core of Warsaw hospital e-health | Apr 26 20:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | system http://t.co/o2aT9ro8hb | Apr 26 20:06 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Spanish hospitals test open source data portal | Apr 26 20:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/nkFQMqrbIJ | Apr 26 20:06 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h6v4k | Apr 26 20:06 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source core of Warsaw hospital e-health system | Tux Machines | Apr 26 20:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Spanish hospitals test open source data portal | Tux Machines | Apr 26 20:07 | |
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| _Goblin | schestowitz__, I can do anytime as long as it doesn't get too late. | Apr 26 20:09 |
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| MinceR | http://danielpocock.com/android-betrays-tethering-data | Apr 26 20:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-danielpocock.com | Android betrays tethering data | DanielPocock.com [ http://ur1.ca/h60xm ] | Apr 26 20:24 | |
| schestowitz__ | tell me which channel now | Apr 26 20:27 |
| schestowitz__ | I can start now | Apr 26 20:27 |
| schestowitz__ | we can also quickly invite anyone who wants to be live on it | Apr 26 20:28 |
| schestowitz__ | (just finished dinner with the wife and need to get to sleep before 10 or so, let's hurry up and start) | Apr 26 20:29 |
| _Goblin | Yep...DM;d you | Apr 26 20:30 |
| schestowitz__ | yeah | Apr 26 20:34 |
| schestowitz__ | getting there now | Apr 26 20:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux engineer builds Raspberry Pi-based | Apr 26 21:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Piphone for $158 http://t.co/XaXA7Y9bR2 | Apr 26 21:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux engineer builds Raspberry Pi-based Piphone for $158 | Tux Machines | Apr 26 21:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Picuntu 5.1 brings Ubuntu 14.04 to the | Apr 26 21:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | MarsBoard RK3066 dev board | Apr 26 21:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/SfpCB8EisZ | Apr 26 21:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Picuntu 5.1 brings Ubuntu 14.04 to the MarsBoard RK3066 dev board | Tux Machines | Apr 26 21:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cern expands open source system use with Red | Apr 26 21:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hat http://t.co/whzHvYyy9i | Apr 26 21:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Cern expands open source system use with Red Hat | Tux Machines | Apr 26 21:48 | |
| cubezzz | ok, not necessarily open source but an interesting list of games re-released as freeware: | Apr 26 21:50 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_commercial_video_games_released_as_freeware | Apr 26 21:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | List of commercial video games released as freeware - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h6vq4 ] | Apr 26 21:50 | |
| cubezzz | and games with source code released: | Apr 26 21:58 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_commercial_video_games_with_available_source_code | Apr 26 21:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | List of commercial video games with available source code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h6vs0 ] | Apr 26 21:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How POWER8 Will Win… Linux/x86 Server Users | Apr 26 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/tTZ2QUQOXe | Apr 26 21:58 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 free open source and web alternatives to | Apr 26 21:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | commercial software http://t.co/wsIYgQeDFg | Apr 26 21:58 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Graphics News http://t.co/33vJA2HCLj | Apr 26 21:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How POWER8 Will Win… Linux/x86 Server Users | Tux Machines | Apr 26 21:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 free open source and web alternatives to commercial software | Tux Machines | Apr 26 21:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Graphics News | Tux Machines | Apr 26 21:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora Vs. Mint Vs. Red Hat 2014 from | Apr 26 23:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Gq0pIw2B5V http://t.co/sN9TcUxiVD | Apr 26 23:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ThreeHosts.com | Cheap Web Hosting | Apr 26 23:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora Vs. Mint Vs. Red Hat 2014 from ThreeHosts.com | Tux Machines | Apr 26 23:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Utopic Unicorn (14.10) is Open for Business | Apr 26 23:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/nzt8jJlYFn | Apr 26 23:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Utopic Unicorn (14.10) is Open for Business | Tux Machines | Apr 26 23:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Tweak 0.8.7 Has Been Released! | Apr 26 23:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/cr3RNz3dz3 | Apr 26 23:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Tweak 0.8.7 Has Been Released! | Tux Machines | Apr 26 23:39 | |
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| schestowitz_bed2 | [03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> @qu1j0t3 Maddow covers the Sagebrush Rebellion. | Apr 20 02:55 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | [03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> #MustWatch Some of the craziest shit I've ever | Apr 20 02:55 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | [03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> seen from USA #ThatsSayingALot | Apr 20 02:55 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | [03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> http://t.co/DLxUJ9BxAa | Apr 20 02:55 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | [03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> @qu1j0t3 Maddow covers the Sagebrush Rebellion. | Apr 20 02:55 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-video.msnbc.msn.com | Threat of armed conflict subdues in Nevada - Video on NBCNews.com | Apr 20 02:55 | |
| schestowitz_bed2 | [03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> #MustWatch Some of the craziest shit I've ever | Apr 20 02:55 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | [03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> seen from USA #ThatsSayingALot | Apr 20 02:55 |
| schestowitz_bed2 | [03:01] <TweetSchestowitz> http://t.co/DLxUJ9BxAa | Apr 20 02:55 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Create Vector Graphics with Open Source | Apr 20 02:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Software http://t.co/6PJjTqTroX | Apr 20 02:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Create Vector Graphics with Open Source Software | Tux Machines | Apr 20 02:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD Is Disabling DPM Support For RV770 GPUs | Apr 20 02:59 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/P45W9tpRqz | Apr 20 02:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD Is Disabling DPM Support For RV770 GPUs | Tux Machines | Apr 20 02:59 | |
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| schestowitz | I finally know why files were being deleted from my server: https://drupal.org/node/277589 | Apr 20 05:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-drupal.org | Uploaded files deleted on cronjob [#277589] | Drupal.org | Apr 20 05:24 | |
| schestowitz | What a bizarre thing to be doing | Apr 20 05:24 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/reactos/status/457811220952014848 | Apr 20 05:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@reactos: ImagineIfMercedesBeganSueingFordBecauseThey"copied"TheWhole"Car"Concept.I'veRemovedTheSpaceBarFromMyPCJustinCase.@DrTuxWang @schestowitz | Apr 20 05:30 | |
| schestowitz | http://www.tweaktown.com/news/37149/heat-seeking-drones-are-getting-the-420-on-weed-in-the-uk/index.html | Apr 20 05:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tweaktown.com | Heat-seeking drones are getting the 420 on weed in the UK [ http://ur1.ca/h4k44 ] | Apr 20 05:35 | |
| schestowitz | http://freepressjournal.in/not-planning-to-take-over-alaska-jokes-putin/ | Apr 20 05:53 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-freepressjournal.in | Not planning to take over Alaska, jokes Putin - Free Press Journal [ http://ur1.ca/h4k78 ] | Apr 20 05:53 | |
| schestowitz | LOL: http://www.govexec.com/management/2014/04/analysis-we-need-more-secrecy/82798/?oref=dropdown | Apr 20 06:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.govexec.com | Analysis: We Need More Secrecy - Management - GovExec.com [ http://ur1.ca/h4kao ] | Apr 20 06:16 | |
| schestowitz | reducing incenstive to theft at the expense of tech rights in phones http://www.extremetech.com/mobile/180845-carriers-commit-to-kill-switches-by-2015-but-ruin-implementation-to-protect-profit | Apr 20 06:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.extremetech.com | Carriers commit to kill switches by 2015, but ruin implementation to protect profit | ExtremeTech [ http://ur1.ca/h4kb6 ] | Apr 20 06:18 | |
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| msb__ | People suspect that the real purpose of the cell-phone kill switch is to allow government to erase witness evidence of police brutality and other govt abuses: http://www.activistpost.com/2014/04/kill-switch-included-on-all-cell-phones.html | Apr 20 06:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.activistpost.com | Activist Post: ‘Kill Switch’ Included on All Cell Phones Made in U.S. by 2015 [ http://ur1.ca/h49ne ] | Apr 20 06:54 | |
| msb__ | Look at this video of the Bundy ranch protest (1.3 million views). Many people are holding up little black objects. Those are cell phones on which they're recording and witnessing the actions of the soldiers. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhJ6H9vlEDA | Apr 20 07:11 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Ranch Riot!! Bundy Ranch Protesters Tasered by Federal Agents and Attacked by K9's. - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/h4km7 ] | Apr 20 07:11 | |
| MinceR | geekings | Apr 20 07:29 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux 3.15 Lands Some DRM Graphics Driver Fixes | Apr 20 08:04 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/v8IQsXGvI6 | Apr 20 08:04 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux 3.15 Lands Some DRM Graphics Driver Fixes | Tux Machines | Apr 20 08:04 | |
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| MinceR | https://plus.google.com/+jwildeboer/posts/RCw6yMuwzhB | Apr 20 10:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-plus.google.com | Jan Wildeboer - Google+ - Everybody remember the port 32764 backdoor in various… [ http://ur1.ca/h4llj ] | Apr 20 10:20 | |
| Sosumi | the guys from the ufaa seem to also be targeting bill gates | Apr 20 11:09 |
| Sosumi | http://images.gasbuddy.com/images/blogimages/20120118124442toll.jpg | Apr 20 11:09 |
| Sosumi | bill gates | Apr 20 11:09 |
| Sosumi | if you go through one of those | Apr 20 11:09 |
| Sosumi | you get billed | Apr 20 11:09 |
| MinceR | i see what you did there | Apr 20 11:09 |
| Sosumi | :) | Apr 20 11:10 |
| Sosumi | let me see if I can find the tweet | Apr 20 11:11 |
| Sosumi | https://twitter.com/TaxWallStParty/status/457579582363688960 | Apr 20 11:12 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TaxWallStParty: A vote for #Hillary is a vote for #gates! http://t.co/we3Lw9PXBv #Gates We can do much better! #p2 #jobs #equality http://t.co/7ydvzDUj4z | Apr 20 11:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@EmperorBill: @GetUpStandUp2 @MSGunderson @ThePiercedBear @lapham_katie @McFiredogg Surprise! A vote for #Hillary is a vote for me! http://t.co/e6t5WflTLz | Apr 20 11:12 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> againstausterity.org | Welcome | United Front Against Austerity | Apr 20 11:12 | |
| MinceR | why is a vote for hillarious a vote for gate$? | Apr 20 11:15 |
| Sosumi | no idea | Apr 20 11:15 |
| Sosumi | I guess I need to update myself again in US politricks | Apr 20 11:17 |
| MinceR | tell me when you know | Apr 20 11:17 |
| Sosumi | yeah | Apr 20 11:17 |
| cubezzz | politicians suck up to Gates | Apr 20 11:27 |
| MinceR | and they're bought by gates | Apr 20 11:27 |
| cubezzz | "How should we run our schools Mr Gates?" | Apr 20 11:27 |
| Sosumi | ho yes the charter schools thing | Apr 20 11:28 |
| MinceR | What Do You Want Us To Buy Today?™ | Apr 20 11:28 |
| cubezzz | well these days it's windows 8.1 :-/ | Apr 20 11:28 |
| Sosumi | bill and mellinda gates foundation is a heavy supporter of those | Apr 20 11:28 |
| Sosumi | windows 8.1 is actually good | Apr 20 11:29 |
| MinceR | for me to poop on | Apr 20 11:29 |
| Sosumi | if you're DrPizza_ | Apr 20 11:29 |
| Sosumi | :) | Apr 20 11:29 |
| cubezzz | oh yeah and that secure boot thingie is great | Apr 20 11:30 |
| Sosumi | love it | Apr 20 11:30 |
| cubezzz | plus not having source code, that's the cherry on top | Apr 20 11:30 |
| Sosumi | and I love it more when I update my mobo's firmware I lose the boot pointer for the OS | Apr 20 11:31 |
| Sosumi | forcing me to reinstall grub | Apr 20 11:31 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/secure-boot.txt | Apr 20 11:31 |
| Sosumi | but that doesn't happen with windows | Apr 20 11:31 |
| cubezzz | hmmm, I can't say I've ever had that happen | Apr 20 11:33 |
| Sosumi | I just wish the ppl responsible for that | Apr 20 11:33 |
| Sosumi | just got run over by a car | Apr 20 11:33 |
| Sosumi | or had a ton of angry cats fall on top of them | Apr 20 11:33 |
| Sosumi | duno | Apr 20 11:33 |
| cubezzz | there's some talk of using secure boot to lock out windows | Apr 20 11:34 |
| Sosumi | lock out windows? | Apr 20 11:35 |
| Sosumi | isn't it locking out gnu/linux | Apr 20 11:35 |
| cubezzz | one replaces microsoft's cryptographic keys that ship with windows 8 and then sign only the software the user wants to run on their machine | Apr 20 11:36 |
| Sosumi | I've been saying that all along | Apr 20 11:36 |
| Sosumi | let the user sign and backup the keys/bios settings to an usb flash disk | Apr 20 11:37 |
| cubezzz | so far you can turn off secure boot | Apr 20 11:39 |
| cubezzz | but your idea is good | Apr 20 11:39 |
| cubezzz | I know my bios settings well, so saving them isn't a big deal | Apr 20 11:39 |
| cubezzz | I sometimes switch between linux and freedos | Apr 20 11:40 |
| cubezzz | now, if I could have "set bios settings for freedos" and "set bios settings for linux" that would be cool | Apr 20 11:41 |
| Sosumi | yep | Apr 20 11:43 |
| cubezzz | there's a coreboot utility called nvramtool that may be able to do that | Apr 20 11:43 |
| Sosumi | that could be called bios profiles | Apr 20 11:44 |
| Sosumi | another way is to use a board with two bioses | Apr 20 11:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Safety you can bank on: Chromebook, Linux, | Apr 20 11:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | phone http://t.co/JcC3HkRtFx | Apr 20 11:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Safety you can bank on: Chromebook, Linux, phone | Tux Machines | Apr 20 11:45 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Adobe's Open Source Tightrope Walk | Apr 20 11:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/W1LJi7B0WH | Apr 20 11:45 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Adobe's Open Source Tightrope Walk | Tux Machines | Apr 20 11:45 | |
| Sosumi | no, absolutely not | Apr 20 11:46 |
| Sosumi | you can't bank your safety on a chromebook | Apr 20 11:46 |
| Sosumi | unless you've installed a regular gnu/linux distro on it | Apr 20 11:46 |
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| cubezzz | there's also some coreboot support for chromebooks | Apr 20 11:52 |
| cubezzz | in fact, I think they all come with coreboot built-in except for the first 3 models | Apr 20 11:53 |
| Sosumi | no idea | Apr 20 11:53 |
| cubezzz | it looks promising and google does seem to like coreboot | Apr 20 11:55 |
| cubezzz | I'll have to try it sometime | Apr 20 11:56 |
| schestowitz | http://indiandefence.com/threads/will-china-use-russian-style-tactics-to-settle-territorial-disputes-in-asia.45782/ | Apr 20 12:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-indiandefence.com | Will China Use Russian-Style Tactics to Settle Territorial Disputes in Asia? | Indian Defence Forum [ http://ur1.ca/h4n30 ] | Apr 20 12:05 | |
| schestowitz | [16:27] <cubezzz> politicians suck up to Gates | Apr 20 12:06 |
| schestowitz | They have a sixth sense for potential (future) bribes | Apr 20 12:07 |
| schestowitz | They rely on people like Gates funding them for Office | Apr 20 12:07 |
| gulag2014 | You have articles on these Bribes? I'm not doubting you, but this is a brand new low for MS corp. | Apr 20 12:08 |
| cubezzz | http://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=364 | Apr 20 12:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.corporatewatch.org | Microsoft : Influence / Lobbying | Apr 20 12:10 | |
| cubezzz | call it subverting democracy if you prefer :) | Apr 20 12:11 |
| cubezzz | "The Initiative for Software Choice" | Apr 20 12:12 |
| gulag2014 | Simply amazing, thank you. As if I needed another reason to boycott. I have a few files that just don't display well in other office suites. I'm actively looking for replacements. | Apr 20 12:14 |
| cubezzz | campaign donations were "stepped up" 1999-2000 | Apr 20 12:14 |
| cubezzz | I've talked to some former microsoft guys | Apr 20 12:15 |
| cubezzz | some are openingly blogging against their former employer | Apr 20 12:15 |
| schestowitz | that's a good sign | Apr 20 12:16 |
| schestowitz | they're sort of defecting | Apr 20 12:16 |
| schestowitz | and this can shift public opinion | Apr 20 12:16 |
| cubezzz | some are yes | Apr 20 12:17 |
| schestowitz | I was shown that even MS Jack started ptromoting non-MS products | Apr 20 12:17 |
| cubezzz | those without stock options and low on the totem pole :) | Apr 20 12:17 |
| gulag2014 | There must be censorship attempts. I read a few weeks back MS was paying Youtube personalities to post good reviews for the Xbox One. | Apr 20 12:17 |
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| gulag2014 | MS Jack? | Apr 20 12:18 |
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| cubezzz | microsoft should have been broken up | Apr 20 12:20 |
| cubezzz | someone pulled some serious strings there | Apr 20 12:20 |
| gulag2014 | I was listening to the "Mike Tech Show" earlier. He mentioned they neglected to add a print function to the Ipad version of Office. You would have to save it to one drive and print to another device. How do release software missing such a basic feature? | Apr 20 12:21 |
| cubezzz | everything came to a head on June 7, 2000 | Apr 20 12:21 |
| gulag2014 | I know that is trivial, it's just another example of releasing half baked products. | Apr 20 12:21 |
| cubezzz | they were really going to do it | Apr 20 12:22 |
| cubezzz | broken into two units: one to produce the operating system and one to produce other software | Apr 20 12:22 |
| cubezzz | the US Sumpreme Court declined to hear Microsoft's appeal | Apr 20 12:23 |
| cubezzz | so it went back to the DC circuit court of appeals | Apr 20 12:23 |
| cubezzz | which overturned Judge Jackson's rulings against Microsoft | Apr 20 12:23 |
| cubezzz | so on Sept 6, 2001 the DOJ announces that Microsoft will not be broken up | Apr 20 12:24 |
| gulag2014 | I wasn't aware of that. What interest would it be of the United States Government to keep MS as one entity? | Apr 20 12:25 |
| MinceR | breaking up might not be sufficient | Apr 20 12:25 |
| MinceR | especially considering how tightly entwined with each other the parts are | Apr 20 12:25 |
| cubezzz | it would have helped :) | Apr 20 12:25 |
| MinceR | they'd just have one part hack everything up and package it in dlls and then all the other parts just put loaders on it | Apr 20 12:26 |
| MinceR | (like iexplore.exe) | Apr 20 12:26 |
| MinceR | but it would probably be a step in the right direction | Apr 20 12:26 |
| cubezzz | some folks argue that "the market should decide" | Apr 20 12:26 |
| cubezzz | that's basically what we have | Apr 20 12:27 |
| MinceR | maybe m$ should let the market decide, then | Apr 20 12:27 |
| MinceR | instead of forcing it | Apr 20 12:27 |
| cubezzz | of course the Big M manipulates all the OEMs, yes | Apr 20 12:27 |
| cubezzz | the DOJ screwed up royally | Apr 20 12:27 |
| msb__ | And manipulates the public with lying ads. | Apr 20 12:28 |
| MinceR | and bribes governments | Apr 20 12:28 |
| cubezzz | bribes or lobby's | Apr 20 12:29 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Initiative_for_Software_Choice | Apr 20 12:30 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Initiative for Software Choice - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h4nhg ] | Apr 20 12:30 | |
| gulag2014 | So what do you think MS next big plan would be. Cloud services with everyones data stored with them, subscription models for even the Operating System? | Apr 20 12:31 |
| cubezzz | gulag2014, naturally | Apr 20 12:31 |
| cubezzz | they're running microsoft cloud commercials on broadcast television right now | Apr 20 12:31 |
| gulag2014 | Oh, haha. I don't watch tv. | Apr 20 12:32 |
| cubezzz | Perens talks about ISC | Apr 20 12:32 |
| cubezzz | that kicked in around 2002 | Apr 20 12:32 |
| gulag2014 | I watched there last tech conference it was all about innovations in services. Not much was mentioned about adding any value to the "User" | Apr 20 12:32 |
| msb__ | Maybe they'll go thru the cloud data and blackmail people if they're, e.g., closeted gay, like Scientology does. | Apr 20 12:33 |
| gulag2014 | That is a scary possibility, but they promise not to read anymore of your e-mails. | Apr 20 12:34 |
| Sosumi | https://twitter.com/charlescwcooke/status/457911456634122240 | Apr 20 12:34 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@charlescwcooke: I wrote a cover story on Michael Mann for National Review. "The Climate Inquisitor." http://t.co/dehWMps3Ps | Apr 20 12:34 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@charlescwcooke: I wrote a cover story on Michael Mann for National Review. "The Climate Inquisitor." http://t.co/dehWMps3Ps | Apr 20 12:34 | |
| Sosumi | got to love the cover | Apr 20 12:34 |
| MinceR | and we already know how much their promises mean | Apr 20 12:34 |
| MinceR | *and we already know how much their promises are worth | Apr 20 12:34 |
| cubezzz | it's worth it to follow Perens and Moglen, they know the score | Apr 20 12:34 |
| Sosumi | leprechaun in the hood, when we are bad, we are good | Apr 20 12:35 |
| cubezzz | Edgar Villanueva proposed standardizing on free software | Apr 20 12:36 |
| cubezzz | e.g. the government shouldn't use propretary software since everyone has to deal with the government | Apr 20 12:37 |
| cubezzz | e.g. government web sites shouldn't be IE only | Apr 20 12:37 |
| gulag2014 | Give an example? I have never had any issues. Not that I frequent government websites for entertainment. | Apr 20 12:40 |
| cubezzz | well this is a small example but a while ago I had to pay a parking ticket | Apr 20 12:41 |
| cubezzz | the municipal web site for paying parking tickets was IE only | Apr 20 12:41 |
| cubezzz | even if you used windows with firefox it wouldn't work :) | Apr 20 12:41 |
| cubezzz | but I'm in Canada and so far the federal government web sites seem OK | Apr 20 12:42 |
| gulag2014 | That's interesting. I do remember my state unemployment site asking for IE. | Apr 20 12:42 |
| msb__ | What if you just change the browser ID strings so it says IE? Will that work? | Apr 20 12:44 |
| msb__ | strings--> string | Apr 20 12:44 |
| gulag2014 | My understanding is the site is written for certain browser. I think there was a company that would charged people more if they continued using any Version of IE under 8, to pay for the extra time. | Apr 20 12:46 |
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| cubezzz | in the case of the parking ticket changing the browser ID string didn't work | Apr 20 13:09 |
| cubezzz | I don't see it happen often these days | Apr 20 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | Google finally has me using Chrome as my main browser. | Apr 20 13:10 |
| DaemonFC | It's just a little too convenient when you have a bunch of other Google devices... :) | Apr 20 13:10 |
| gulag2014 | Oh the horror, yes if you live in the Google Universe, I would bet Chrome is quite useful. It is nice to have all your bookmarks synced. | Apr 20 13:14 |
| cubezzz | I reject cloud computing | Apr 20 13:15 |
| gulag2014 | I use it sparingly. | Apr 20 13:16 |
| cubezzz | in the past computers were expensive, hence time sharing was necessary | Apr 20 13:17 |
| gulag2014 | I do remember, and disk space was expensive. What are we up to now, 6 Tb drives? | Apr 20 13:18 |
| DaemonFC | I use it to share pictures and move my documents to the library computer to be printed. | Apr 20 13:19 |
| cubezzz | in 1990 I had a 52 meg drive | Apr 20 13:19 |
| DaemonFC | They have a no thumbdrive policy. | Apr 20 13:19 |
| cubezzz | now I have a bunch of 40 gig ones | Apr 20 13:20 |
| cubezzz | but I use old tech a lot, so I'm atypical :) | Apr 20 13:20 |
| gulag2014 | I don't keep up with gadgets they way I used to. The biggest improvement for me has been SSD drives. I have avoided having to buy a new machine with one upgrade. | Apr 20 13:22 |
| cubezzz | you can get a ssd, 240 gigs | Apr 20 13:22 |
| cubezzz | for around 100 bucks | Apr 20 13:22 |
| gulag2014 | They are finally coming down. I was happy when it was $1 a gig. | Apr 20 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | That's the big problem with a Chromebook. | Apr 20 13:23 |
| gulag2014 | Maybe I can hold out and get a 500 for $100 in a few years. | Apr 20 13:23 |
| DaemonFC | Great computers, but Google decided to not support normal printers. | Apr 20 13:24 |
| gulag2014 | You can't use a normal network printer on Chromebooks? | Apr 20 13:24 |
| DaemonFC | You have to either buy a Google Cloud Print compatible printer, or install some Windows or Mac software and let them send the print job to your desktop computer. | Apr 20 13:24 |
| DaemonFC | nope | Apr 20 13:24 |
| cubezzz | I'm sort of a computing minimalist, I've done a lot of work trying to figure out how to run linux in low memory systems | Apr 20 13:24 |
| gulag2014 | What is that Google Cloud Print about? | Apr 20 13:24 |
| DaemonFC | I like the Chromebook in general though. | Apr 20 13:24 |
| *cubezzz pats his dot matrix :) | Apr 20 13:25 | |
| DaemonFC | gulag2014: Instead of using CUPS and supporting regular printer drivers, the Chromebook and Android phones send the print job to Google, which sends it back over the internet to a compatible printer. | Apr 20 13:25 |
| gulag2014 | I liked the keyboard on the chromebook I played with. I had intentions on putting a light linux distro on one eventually. | Apr 20 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | That way, you have to share all your print jobs with Google and probably buy a new printer as well. | Apr 20 13:25 |
| DaemonFC | It's pretty bogus. | Apr 20 13:26 |
| gulag2014 | I don't like that idea of sending my print jobs to G at all. | Apr 20 13:26 |
| cubezzz | and no parallel port I'd assume? | Apr 20 13:26 |
| DaemonFC | of course not | Apr 20 13:26 |
| cubezzz | :) | Apr 20 13:26 |
| DaemonFC | If you try hooking up a normal printer through USB, the Chromebook opens a browser tab that loads a page that advertises Cloud Print. | Apr 20 13:26 |
| gulag2014 | Well can you save the file to usb, and print on a printer with a usb input? | Apr 20 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. I don't see why not. | Apr 20 13:27 |
| cubezzz | bah, just replace the os | Apr 20 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | I hate buying printer ink. | Apr 20 13:27 |
| gulag2014 | Haha... | Apr 20 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | I just upload the documents to Google Drive and then print them off at the library. | Apr 20 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | It's still only 10 cents a page for black and white, and 20 cents for color. | Apr 20 13:27 |
| DaemonFC | It's a public library, so they don't have to operate at a profit. :) | Apr 20 13:28 |
| gulag2014 | I stopped buying printer ink. It's not worth it, because I just don't print often enough. I'm fine paying ten cents a page somewhere else. | Apr 20 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. I only have a few print jobs per year. | Apr 20 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | I probably pay the library less than $4 a year to print stuff. | Apr 20 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | They're like a block away from my house. | Apr 20 13:28 |
| DaemonFC | Printer ink is outrageously expensive. | Apr 20 13:29 |
| gulag2014 | It's $60 dollars for the ink for my Canon, I paid $80 for the printer. | Apr 20 13:29 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah... | Apr 20 13:29 |
| DaemonFC | And HP printer cartridges have a time bomb built in. | Apr 20 13:29 |
| cubezzz | wow that sounds like a great deal | Apr 20 13:29 |
| DaemonFC | After several months, they won't print and they trigger an "out of ink" message. | Apr 20 13:29 |
| gulag2014 | I still use it to scan stuff, other than that, I would have donated it. | Apr 20 13:29 |
| Sosumi | laser printers are the way to go | Apr 20 13:29 |
| DaemonFC | They might have 90% of the ink left and they'll say "Out of ink". | Apr 20 13:29 |
| DaemonFC | It's a major fucking ripoff designed to make you buy ink cartridges every so often, no matter how much or little you print. | Apr 20 13:30 |
| gulag2014 | My printer won't allow me to print grayscale without the other color cartridges. That rots of greed. | Apr 20 13:30 |
| DaemonFC | HP lets you print black and white with the tricolor cartridge. | Apr 20 13:31 |
| gulag2014 | Agreed, Laser printers if I ever buy a new one. | Apr 20 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | But black looks better if you have a black ink cartridge as well. | Apr 20 13:31 |
| cubezzz | IBM 3203 printer example: | Apr 20 13:31 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/vm-sp-with-rexx.jpg | Apr 20 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | also, most of them have anti-refill technology | Apr 20 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | HP's time bomb keeps you from refilling them | Apr 20 13:31 |
| DaemonFC | after like 6 months, they just refuse to print anything, even if you have original ink left in them | Apr 20 13:32 |
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| gulag2014 | They all have rfid chips or some mechanism to avoid, fake cartridges now right? | Apr 20 13:32 |
| DaemonFC | They realized that people were spending $5 to refill instead of $60 for new cartridges. | Apr 20 13:32 |
| DaemonFC | So they put a stop to that. :P | Apr 20 13:32 |
| DaemonFC | gulag2014: They have a chip in them that records the day of the first print job. | Apr 20 13:33 |
| DaemonFC | After so many days, the printer will stop allowing you to use that cartridge. | Apr 20 13:33 |
| gulag2014 | My goodness. Unbelievable | Apr 20 13:33 |
| DaemonFC | I found that out when I had half a carttridge of ink left and the printer kept throwing "out of ink", "buy more here". | Apr 20 13:34 |
| gulag2014 | Buy more here, haha. The HP software brings you to their website | Apr 20 13:34 |
| cubezzz | HP used to be good | Apr 20 13:34 |
| DaemonFC | gulag2014: Yeah. It even gives you a clickable link in the error message. | Apr 20 13:34 |
| DaemonFC | So, the library is a better deal all the time. | Apr 20 13:35 |
| DaemonFC | Every time the printer companies find a new way to fuck you. | Apr 20 13:35 |
| gulag2014 | Unreal, I hated HP on my Windows 7 box. It loaded so much useless bloat. Linux network printing and no bloatware. | Apr 20 13:35 |
| gulag2014 | I have spent more time fighting with HP printers for friends and family, than I have with virus removal. | Apr 20 13:36 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. Their Windows driver is awful. | Apr 20 13:37 |
| DaemonFC | The driver itself is only like 10-15 MB....something like that. | Apr 20 13:38 |
| DaemonFC | But, it installs several hundred MB of shovelware and trial crap. | Apr 20 13:38 |
| DaemonFC | It takes about an hour to install it. | Apr 20 13:38 |
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| gulag2014 | Right! So why is the download suite like 300 mb + | Apr 20 13:38 |
| DaemonFC | gulag2014: Mostly because of Windows XP. | Apr 20 13:38 |
| cubezzz | right, why would you want to use windows again? | Apr 20 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | XP didn't have any built in software to take advantage of all-in-one printers. | Apr 20 13:39 |
| DaemonFC | Well, it did, sort of, but it reflects where those were in 2001. | Apr 20 13:39 |
| gulag2014 | Exactly, I don't miss HP software, that you can never remove. Nagging Java and Flash updates. | Apr 20 13:39 |
| cubezzz | it's not even that hard to write a printer or scanner program | Apr 20 13:39 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3953930 | Apr 20 13:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Zero-hours contracts cause shopworkers' misery http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/19/zero-hours-contracts-flexible-working one strike and you're out (-1). #classwarfare #uk | Apr 20 13:40 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Been there. I went from 45 hours to 8 and full shifts to half hour bits and pieces around the place. The solution is to quit and look for a proper job, not complain about the one you're free to walk away from with two weeks notice." | Apr 20 13:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com | Supermarket shifts 'cause anxiety and insecurity' | UK news | The Observer | Apr 20 13:40 | |
| DaemonFC | So, the printer makers had to include software that made up for deficiencies in Windows. Especially, Windows XP. | Apr 20 13:40 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft just tries to take advantage of lazy non-thinking people | Apr 20 13:40 |
| DaemonFC | On GNU/Linux, the HP printer bundle isn't very big, and you don't have to use bloatware to access the functionality of the printer. | Apr 20 13:40 |
| schestowitz__ | We seem to have a problem when companies like WalMartASDA race to the bottom, taking the rest with them | Apr 20 13:40 |
| gulag2014 | I had my friend printing in two minutes when I installed Mint on his system. | Apr 20 13:41 |
| DaemonFC | I believe that on GNU/Linux, the bundle is under 30 MB and it supports almost every HP printer that connects over USB, | Apr 20 13:41 |
| DaemonFC | I was using the hplip bundle with an HP printer I bought in 2002 until just a couple of years ago. | Apr 20 13:41 |
| DaemonFC | I think that part of the problem that Cloud Print is designed to work around is that some printer makers don't offer GNU/Linux drivers at all. | Apr 20 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | and Chrome OS is a variant of GNU/Linux | Apr 20 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | So, Canon printers, for example.... Those might not work. | Apr 20 13:42 |
| DaemonFC | So, instead of explaining why HP printers are supported, but Canon isn't, we have Cloud Print instead. | Apr 20 13:43 |
| DaemonFC | I don't like Cloud Print, because I don't want to buy a new printer. | Apr 20 13:43 |
| DaemonFC | They could have supported traditional printer setups that have GNU/Linux drivers, and sent the user to Cloud Print if they didn't have a good printer. | Apr 20 13:44 |
| gulag2014 | Are you using the Chromebook now? | Apr 20 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | Not right now. | Apr 20 13:44 |
| DaemonFC | They have an IRC client that it built on top of Chrome, but it's not real good. | Apr 20 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | It works... | Apr 20 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose there's no reason why it couldn't be fully-featured though. | Apr 20 13:45 |
| DaemonFC | With further development, it might be. | Apr 20 13:45 |
| gulag2014 | Oh, Well I'm surprised they attempted to include one. So have you investigate installing Ubuntu or another distro on it? | Apr 20 13:46 |
| DaemonFC | They don't. It's called CIRC, and it's in the chrome store. | Apr 20 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | I believe it is open source though. | Apr 20 13:47 |
| DaemonFC | You *can* install Ubuntu or Fedora on the Acer C720, but it doesn't have much storage on the SSD, because it's meant to run Chrome OS, which doesn't need a lot of storage. | Apr 20 13:48 |
| gulag2014 | I hate to say this, but anything that takes money away from MS is a great start. I'm not a huge fan of android or the Chromebook, but It's a start. | Apr 20 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | You can put it in developer mode and boot a real GNU/Linux distribution from the USB drive though. | Apr 20 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | It has a USB 3 and a USB 2 port. | Apr 20 13:48 |
| DaemonFC | You could buy a USB 3 thumbdrive and boot Fedora from there without disturbing Chrome OS. | Apr 20 13:49 |
| cubezzz | I hacked up some chromebook info here: | Apr 20 13:49 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/chromebook-prices.txt | Apr 20 13:49 |
| gulag2014 | Yes, I don't even have usb 3. That is one of the features that intrigued me on such an affordable device. | Apr 20 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | The good part about the C720 is that you can get it on refurb for about $150. | Apr 20 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | I got $5 worth of points on my Amazon credit card for that, so it works out to $145 for mine. | Apr 20 13:49 |
| DaemonFC | I also got my cable modem/router on Amazon because the price cratered. | Apr 20 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | Only $99, and I got my triple points on that too. | Apr 20 13:50 |
| gulag2014 | That is extremely affordable. I just may hold out and see what System 76's offerings are a year from now. | Apr 20 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | I had to go to Comcast's Fort Wayne office to drop off their modem. | Apr 20 13:50 |
| DaemonFC | It looked like the welfare office from Cheech and Chong's Up in Smoke. | Apr 20 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | It was pretty nasty. | Apr 20 13:51 |
| gulag2014 | Oh good. What are the rental fees now. Last I heard it was $7 dollars a month. | Apr 20 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | $8 a month | Apr 20 13:51 |
| DaemonFC | So, you pay $99 once for the Netgear N450 or you pay $8 a month forever. | Apr 20 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | It seems to work a lot better than Comcast's equipment. | Apr 20 13:52 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't had this one knock me offline once yet. | Apr 20 13:53 |
| gulag2014 | What? Why? I can't justify anyone doing that. Not when you can get a Motorola for $80 on sale. | Apr 20 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | The wifi signal is better. | Apr 20 13:53 |
| cubezzz | gulag2014, you might find this interesting | Apr 20 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | They recommended a Motorola one, but it was going to be about $170 for the one they wanted me to buy. | Apr 20 13:53 |
| DaemonFC | The Motorola had a 3 star certification from Comcast, while the Netgear had a 1 start certification. | Apr 20 13:53 |
| cubezzz | it's a list of all bad stuff from Microsoft I've come across over the years | Apr 20 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | I have yet to experience any problems with the Netgear though. | Apr 20 13:54 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/ms-dirtytricks.txt | Apr 20 13:54 |
| gulag2014 | Scummy, complete ignorance of the consumer to do a simple Google search. | Apr 20 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | Cable modem companies hate Comcast certification. | Apr 20 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | One of them was complaining that it's basically just a way to make the time to market so bad that more people rent. | Apr 20 13:54 |
| DaemonFC | and to get money out of them for the privilege of being "certified". | Apr 20 13:55 |
| schestowitz__ | http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20140420.png | Apr 20 13:55 |
| gulag2014 | I had no problem for six years with an old Motorola surfboard version one. The modem companies promise great throughput, but if you are not paying for 100 mb's down it doesn't matter. | Apr 20 13:56 |
| gulag2014 | I think the one I own maxes out at 40 mb. I was lucky to get 5, to ten, when I was paying for 15 to 20 down. I had really spotty service with Comcast. | Apr 20 13:57 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast's certification is just a big joke. | Apr 20 13:58 |
| DaemonFC | They brag that all of the equipment they lease out is 3 star certified. | Apr 20 13:59 |
| DaemonFC | Then it crashes, resets itself, knocks you offline.... | Apr 20 13:59 |
| DaemonFC | The Arris gateway they had me using seems to have no quality of service support. | Apr 20 13:59 |
| gulag2014 | I would wake up in he middle of the night to no service. They would place the blame on my router and modem. Even though it worked the other 16 hours of the day perfectly. | Apr 20 13:59 |
| DaemonFC | If you're downloading something, it will take all your bandwidth and you can't do anything else until the download is finished. | Apr 20 14:00 |
| DaemonFC | because their modem isn't smart enough to prioritize other traffic | Apr 20 14:00 |
| gulag2014 | I believe that. They magically have enough bandwith for Netflix, now that Netflix paid them. | Apr 20 14:01 |
| DaemonFC | Yeah. Their certification process for modems is like the debt rating agencies saying that subprime mortgages were AAA investments. | Apr 20 14:01 |
| DaemonFC | It lets Comcast get these cheap no name modems that are completely terrible, rent them out for $8 a month, and say they're 3 star certified on Comcast's network. | Apr 20 14:01 |
| gulag2014 | So it's just a fraud basically. Ontop of the Dvr you pay a month. When I had tv I would just use a hdhomerun and Windows Media Center. | Apr 20 14:02 |
| DaemonFC | http://www.amazon.com/NETGEAR-DOCSIS-Cable-Router-N450-100NAS/dp/B00HC0ZDOE | Apr 20 14:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.amazon.com | Amazon.com: NETGEAR N450 WiFi DOCSIS 3.0 Cable Modem Router (N450-100NAS): Computers & Accessories [ http://ur1.ca/h4ork ] | Apr 20 14:03 | |
| DaemonFC | Looks like the price went up $20 since I bought mine. | Apr 20 14:03 |
| DaemonFC | Still a better deal than renting though. | Apr 20 14:03 |
| gulag2014 | I asked can I purchase the Dvr? No, you can not. But it's only good on your cable anyway, I don't want to rent anymore. They even charged a rental for the remote. | Apr 20 14:03 |
| gulag2014 | So I went on Ebay and purchased a remote for $4. They looked confused when I returned theirs. | Apr 20 14:04 |
| gulag2014 | Nice, years ago modem/router combos for Cable internet were hard to find. I had separate device for years, I had a few netgear combos crap out on me. | Apr 20 14:06 |
| gulag2014 | I'm sort of electricity conscious, I never liked having several devices on 24 hours a day. Not that it's that expensive. I just don't prefer it. | Apr 20 14:08 |
| DaemonFC | gulag2014: You can buy your own DVR. | Apr 20 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | That gets you out of the equipment rental fee, but not the DVR service fee. | Apr 20 14:12 |
| DaemonFC | As long as the DVR is CableCARD compatible. I think Comcast charges like $1 a month to rent a CableCARD. | Apr 20 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | I believe the DVR rental fee is like $16.99 a month, for each one you are renting. | Apr 20 14:13 |
| gulag2014 | Yes, you are right. I have a cable card feature on my tv, but I believe you loose the program guide. | Apr 20 14:13 |
| DaemonFC | The satellite companies have whole home DVR for $10 a month, which lets you rent one HD-DVR and the rest are just boxes that can stream from the DVR. | Apr 20 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | Comcast's equipment rental fees are where all the money is. | Apr 20 14:14 |
| gulag2014 | I have heard that too. Sort of like a slingbox or xbox 360 | Apr 20 14:14 |
| DaemonFC | They probably pay $60-70 per cable gateway because they have bulk buying power. | Apr 20 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | Then they can rent them out for 10 years before they need to be replaced. | Apr 20 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | So they're basically making 10-12 times what the gateway cost them. | Apr 20 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | It's pure profit. | Apr 20 14:15 |
| DaemonFC | They can also jack the rental price up at any time, for the existing equipment that's been sitting in your living room for years. :P | Apr 20 14:16 |
| gulag2014 | I don't care for much on TV anyway. I cut the cord in 2006, had basic cable with comcast, until they started charging $21 dollars just for broadcast channels. | Apr 20 14:16 |
| gulag2014 | I tried Aereo for a month, they allow you to schedule recordings for around $8 a month. I canceled it, I just wasn't watching tv often enough. | Apr 20 14:18 |
| MinceR | 191411 < gulag2014> Oh the horror, yes if you live in the Google Universe, I would bet Chrome is quite useful. It is nice to have all your bookmarks synced. | Apr 20 14:20 |
| MinceR | you can run firefox sync on your own server, afaik | Apr 20 14:21 |
| gulag2014 | I have an interest in that in the future, thanks for the tip. I had read about owncloud. When i get another build started I may convert this pc into a personal server. | Apr 20 14:22 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 20 14:22 |
| gulag2014 | I do have a Google account, begrudgingly. I get a little tense when I noticed I forgot to log out, I realize that all my Youtube searches are being recorded. | Apr 20 14:24 |
| gulag2014 | I managed to survive without Facebook, Twitter, or Google + | Apr 20 14:25 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3951079 | Apr 20 14:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: **Scientology Has a Dirty Little Secret. And L. Ron Hubbard’s Great-Grandson Just Exposed It. | Mobiledia** - http://www.mobiledia.com/news/191386.html | Apr 20 14:26 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.mobiledia.com | Scientology Has a Dirty Little Secret. And L. Ron Hubbard’s Great-Grandson Just Exposed It. | Mobiledia [ http://ur1.ca/h4d4w ] | Apr 20 14:26 | |
| schestowitz__ | "The only think that legitimates mainstream religions is that they're old, that way you have no way to know their founders first-hand." | Apr 20 14:26 |
| schestowitz__ | "@Cronos - you have some valid point when it comes to the issue with verification ... however, this type of argument is probobly rejectable anyway if we are about to say that "tradition is good because it's old". IMO every tradition which causes some kind of harm to ANYONE is BAD and has to be changed. Most religion [probobly excluding buddhism] have made a lot of harm in this world, as they are exclusive in a sense, that they | Apr 20 14:26 |
| schestowitz__ | EXCLUDE other people who are non-believers from their circle of "friends". Thus all the religious wars, etc." | Apr 20 14:26 |
| cubezzz | the United Church was/is inclusionist | Apr 20 14:31 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3956966 | Apr 20 14:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared:  #Image #Picture #Funny #StarWars #Pizza | Apr 20 14:35 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Sir yes dad, Sir!" | Apr 20 14:35 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3956224 | Apr 20 14:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Jolla's Confidence and Marketing Grows Through Monthly OS Updates http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2014/04/15/jollas-confidence-and-marketing-grows-through-monthly-os-updates/ #jolla #linux #nokia | Apr 20 14:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.forbes.com | Jolla's Confidence and Marketing Grows Through Monthly OS Updates - Forbes [ http://ur1.ca/h4p6r ] | Apr 20 14:35 | |
| schestowitz__ | "But not enough to go outside Europe yet." | Apr 20 14:35 |
| schestowitz__ | "So what happened with the China plans? Why were they shelved?" | Apr 20 14:35 |
| schestowitz__ | "Or they weren't? I think Jolla made a deal with some carriers there, but that didn't work out?" | Apr 20 14:35 |
| schestowitz__ | "I'm personally waiting for them to produce a device with normal modem which is not limited to European frequencies." | Apr 20 14:35 |
| schestowitz__ | My wife wants to buy one (UK) | Apr 20 14:35 |
| schestowitz__ | "@Shmerl as I know Jolla aimed also at China from the beginning and they port Sailfish OS for other Android devices and maybe some other company will use sailfish OS on their devices." | Apr 20 14:36 |
| DaemonFC | gulag2014: I just use an antenna. | Apr 20 14:57 |
| DaemonFC | I only wanted the basic channels anyway. Comcast wants $20 a month for that now, which is ridiculous. | Apr 20 14:58 |
| cubezzz | he's missing all the microsoft cloud ads! | Apr 20 14:58 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: Chrome Adblock. | Apr 20 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | I do believe that Microsoft has a Onedrive app for Chrome. | Apr 20 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | Google seems to tolerate Microsoft offering apps for Chrome OS and Android. | Apr 20 15:01 |
| DaemonFC | Google has apps for Windows though. | Apr 20 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | That's not like it's an even exchange.... Most people don't use Windows mobile, and most people just ignore the Windows store in Windows 8 and use it like it was Windows 7. | Apr 20 15:05 |
| DaemonFC | Watching Star Trek: Enterprise. :P | Apr 20 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | I got through DS9 last year. | Apr 20 15:08 |
| DaemonFC | The part about the Bell Riots in the 2020s in the United States seemed to be disturbingly possible. | Apr 20 15:09 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3957086 | Apr 20 15:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@rocapc@joindiaspora.com: #ukraine #turmoil #live #updates. http://rt.com/news/kiev-clashes-rioters-police-571/ | Apr 20 15:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- Photo by rocapc@joindiaspora.com: https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/thumb_medium_dd40c875fc79173682d5.png | Apr 20 15:09 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> rt.com | Ukraine turmoil LIVE UPDATES — RT News [ http://ur1.ca/h0srn ] | Apr 20 15:09 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Also i hate the use of the word annexation since in the Crimea people voted to join Russia..." | Apr 20 15:10 |
| DaemonFC | The poor grew so numerous that the rich and middle class decided to round them up and put them in walled slum areas so that they wouldn't have to see them. | Apr 20 15:10 |
| schestowitz__ | The West's intervention led to it. | Apr 20 15:10 |
| schestowitz__ | "The Russians are not going to do anything, but if NATO/USA keep pushing we do not know what could happen..." | Apr 20 15:10 |
| schestowitz__ | Turf/proxy wars, like in Syria | Apr 20 15:10 |
| schestowitz__ | "The west intervened... what do you think would happen if some Russians went to Mexico to destabilize the country, overthrew the government and put some Russian puppets there... and maybe took over some bases..." | Apr 20 15:18 |
| schestowitz__ | Exactly my point | Apr 20 15:18 |
| schestowitz__ | USSR did do some similar stuff in Cuba | Apr 20 15:19 |
| schestowitz__ | http://www.muktware.com/2014/04/steam-controller-may-arrive-year-end/25611 | Apr 20 15:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.muktware.com | Steam controller may not arrive until year end | Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/h4ppt ] | Apr 20 15:24 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3957086 | Apr 20 15:26 |
| schestowitz__ | "Cuba wanted protection against the big enemy, but yes it got a little out of hand to say the least when Khrushchev started bringing in missiles... and i think Ukraine is getting just as dangerous..." | Apr 20 15:26 |
| schestowitz__ | http://www.muktware.com/2014/04/obama-allows-nsa-exploit-security-bugs-like-heartbleed/25558 | Apr 20 15:27 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.muktware.com | Obama allows NSA to exploit security bugs like Heartbleed | Muktware [ http://ur1.ca/h4pqm ] | Apr 20 15:27 | |
| _Goblin | schestowitz__, we'll defo record tomorrow..... | Apr 20 15:30 |
| _Goblin | just got finished up (RSL v Timbers) | Apr 20 15:30 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3957363 | Apr 20 15:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@silpol@diasp.eu: All sent and received e-mails in #Gmail will be analyzed, says #Google via #ArsTechnica via @bnox http://bit.ly/1iBzkzq #privacy | Apr 20 15:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> arstechnica.com | All sent and received e-mails in Gmail will be analyzed, says Google | Ars Technica | Apr 20 15:36 | |
| schestowitz__ | Like Microsoft and yahoo | Apr 20 15:36 |
| schestowitz__ | _Goblin: ok, tomorrow then :-) | Apr 20 15:36 |
| MinceR | i'm Jack's complete lack of surprise | Apr 20 15:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | TP-LINK TG-3468: A $12 Linux PCI-E Gigabit Network Adapter | Tux Machines | Apr 20 15:53 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Easter Yields The Linux 3.15-rc2 Kernel Release | Tux Machines | Apr 20 16:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Weeeee, Kubuntu 14.04 is out! and already looking to the future | Tux Machines | Apr 20 16:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 50 Open Source Replacements for Windows XP | Tux Machines | Apr 20 16:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux & SteamOS Earn The 400 Games Badge | Apr 20 16:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux & SteamOS Earn The 400 Games Badge | Tux Machines | Apr 20 16:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines An open source success: EFF ‘awed’ by response | Apr 20 16:55 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | An open source success: EFF ‘awed’ by response to project for easily contacting Congress | Tux Machines | Apr 20 16:55 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Emmabuntüs: A philanthropist’s GNU/Linux | Apr 20 16:56 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Emmabuntüs: A philanthropist’s GNU/Linux | Tux Machines | Apr 20 16:56 | |
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| DaemonFC | Now I'm on my Chromebook over at mom's. | Apr 20 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | circ isn't so bad | Apr 20 18:13 |
| DaemonFC | I liked Chatzilla for Firefox/Seamonkey more though. | Apr 20 18:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-djailledie.deviantart.com | What if Claude Monet was born in 1950? by djailledie on deviantART [ http://ur1.ca/h4vxz ] | Apr 21 02:59 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3957817 | Apr 21 03:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Links 20/4/2014: EFF FOSS, Easter Drone Strikes, Copyright Industry Fear of Google http://techrights.org/2014/04/20/copyright-industry-fear-of-google/ | Apr 21 03:01 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org | Links 20/4/2014: EFF FOSS, Easter Drone Strikes, Copyright Industry Fear of Google | Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/h4vyl ] | Apr 21 03:01 | |
| schestowitz__ | "sure is some interesting links." | Apr 21 03:01 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3915306 | Apr 21 03:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Scathing Report Cites ‘Excessive Force’ by #Albuquerque #Police http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/11/us/albuquerque-police-report-justice-department.html | Apr 21 03:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> myaccount.nytimes.com | Log In - The New York Times [ http://ur1.ca/h4vzb ] | Apr 21 03:05 | |
| schestowitz__ | "I live in Albuquerque, so this report was welcome. I only hope that the reforms are real. A recent poll showed that only 30% of the population trusts APD." | Apr 21 03:05 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3956456 | Apr 21 03:05 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #us #police is now using tasers in #protest http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LhJ6H9vlEDA this is not what tasers were originally justified for. | Apr 21 03:05 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.youtube.com | Ranch Riot!! Bundy Ranch Protesters Tasered by Federal Agents and Attacked by K9's. - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/h4km7 ] | Apr 21 03:05 | |
| schestowitz__ | "This is not, strictly speaking, the Tea Party. It's Posse Comitatus, and those who have been tracking right wing groups have repeatedly warned that there will be confrontations such as these. But I do group Posse Comitatus, the Tea Party, and other like groups as authoritarian populists for analytic purposes. They're a very scary bunch of folks, given to Manichean thinking, pretty much with a notion that anyone from far away, who | Apr 21 03:05 |
| schestowitz__ | doesn't look like them, who doesn't act like them, who doesn't live like them, are in some way hostile." | Apr 21 03:05 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines i3 – Tiling Window Manager | Apr 21 04:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HP Chromebook 14 Review – New Chromebook adds | Apr 21 04:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Oracle Linux 6.5 vs. Oracle Linux 7.0 Beta | Apr 21 04:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Gearbox looking at viability of a Linux version | Apr 21 04:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Oracle Linux 6.5 vs. Oracle Linux 7.0 Beta Benchmarks | Tux Machines | Apr 21 04:29 | |
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| msb__ | schestowitz__: Roy, where did you get that quote, about 3 hours ago, starting with "This is not, strictly speaking, the Tea Party. It's Posse Comitatus,"? | Apr 21 06:08 |
| msb__ | Oh, I see, it's from here: https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3956456, a comment about the Bundy protest by one David Benfell. | Apr 21 06:13 |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: That quote from Benfell smears and lies about Bundy and the protesters in several ways. They have not said they are connected with either the Tea Party no Posse Comitatus organizations. | Apr 21 06:19 |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: As to being authoritarian, the protestors did not bring guns, tasers, and police dogs to the scene, the federal government did. | Apr 21 06:20 |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: Manichean thinking means belief in right and wrong. | Apr 21 06:21 |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: the last part of the quote "anyone from far away, who doesn't look like them... are in some way hostile." is a vicious lying smear or racism, which AFAICT has never come up in this matter. | Apr 21 06:23 |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: If you want to find attitude and behavior like that on a world-wide scale, look at the US government, invading Korea, Vietnam, Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Serbia, and many other nations, and slaughtering many millions of people. | Apr 21 06:25 |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: These subversions, invasions, and mass murders were actually done to destroy socialism, which was diminishing the profits of the ultra-wealthy American businessmen who control the U.S. government. | Apr 21 06:28 |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: But racism was used as a pretext, for example the current War On (Of) Terror, initiated by the 9/11 false-flag operation. If you don't believe it was a false-flag operation, please watch the videos linked here, in order. | Apr 21 06:31 |
| msb__ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/#911 | Apr 21 06:31 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone | Apr 21 06:31 | |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: Please see: http://cosmicpenguin.com/#American_Holocaust | Apr 21 06:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com | Human Society That Works For Everyone [ http://ur1.ca/g23vd ] | Apr 21 06:43 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The world's first open source laptop laptop | Apr 21 07:00 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 21 07:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Oracle updates users on Heartbleed progress | Tux Machines | Apr 21 07:00 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The world's first open source laptop laptop crosses halfway mark in crowdfunding. | Tux Machines | Apr 21 07:00 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Embedded tech and use of Linux at the 2014 GPU | Apr 21 07:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Watch Dogs heading to Linux? | Apr 21 07:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @BigDickStallman @tuxmachines Why aren't you using GNU/Hurd? | Apr 21 07:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Will Korea survive end of Windows XP? | Apr 21 07:50 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Nuclear Dawn Linux support moving out of beta | Apr 21 07:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Embedded tech and use of Linux at the 2014 GPU Technology Conference | Tux Machines | Apr 21 07:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How to upgrade from Windows XP to Ubuntu | Apr 21 07:50 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Watch Dogs heading to Linux? | Tux Machines | Apr 21 07:50 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Will Korea survive end of Windows XP? | Tux Machines | Apr 21 07:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Nuclear Dawn Linux support moving out of beta | Tux Machines | Apr 21 07:51 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How to upgrade from Windows XP to Ubuntu | Tux Machines | Apr 21 07:51 | |
| Sosumi | http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/amd-loses-just-20-million-in-first-quarter-2014/ | Apr 21 08:01 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | AMD loses just $20 million in first quarter 2014 | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/h4ybg ] | Apr 21 08:01 | |
| Sosumi | not bad | Apr 21 08:01 |
| Sosumi | could have been much worse | Apr 21 08:01 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/NoDPIsigma/status/458226586119315456 https://twitter.com/NoDPIsigma/status/458227275088269312 | Apr 21 09:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NoDPIsigma: @schestowitz When teachers use public online social media in the classroom to engage pupils, what do they expect? 1/2 | Apr 21 09:13 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@NoDPIsigma: @schestowitz Pupils have always had rather vindictive attitudes to unpopular teachers, never so public previously tho. 2/2 | Apr 21 09:13 | |
| schestowitz | just doing online what they used to do offline | Apr 21 09:13 |
| MinceR | geekings | Apr 21 09:19 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458226592838598656 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458226675860647936 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458226767980138496 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458227125737517056 | Apr 21 09:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Peros Banhos atoll's land area is only 3.7mi². Its an important nesting site for Critically Endangered hawksbill turtles. #MPA | Apr 21 09:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Salomon atoll's land area is only 1.37mi², comprised of 11 tiny coral islets; an important forest habitat for coconut crabs. | Apr 21 09:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Diego Garcia atoll has a land area of only 10mi², in a very thin long ribbon around the atoll, partly occupied by the base. | Apr 21 09:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Seabird colonies have as much intrinsic value and right to be and live undisturbed, unpolluted, as human beings. #DeepEcology | Apr 21 09:21 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458228911206584321 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458228977929551872 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458229048419041280 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458229119621541889 | Apr 21 09:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz It is a question of the greater good for all concerned; protection of this unique unspoilt coral atoll wilderness is paramount. | Apr 21 09:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz The Chagos Islands are the last unspoilt coral atoll wilderness area in the overfished and polluted waters of the Indian Ocean. | Apr 21 09:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz In a world of over 7.2 billion humans, these precious coral atolls are an uninhabited refuge for Critically Endangered species. | Apr 21 09:21 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Britain must ensure the unique ecology of these tiny coral atolls is protected from 'development'. #deforestation #destruction | Apr 21 09:21 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458227125737517056 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458227048168042496 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458226946133229570 https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458226848720490496 | Apr 21 09:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz #MPA 2014 British Indian Ocean Territory (BIOT) Science Expedition Blog: Exploring Fresh Territory: http://t.co/4viv7jDAFp | Apr 21 09:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> chagos-trust.org | 2014 BIOT Expedition | Chagos Conservation Trust | Apr 21 09:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Preservation of the Earth's last coral atoll wilderness areas, must come before human self-interest. http://t.co/jG8b5YGOxl | Apr 21 09:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> vimeo.com | Bertarelli Foundation on Vimeo | Apr 21 09:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz #MPA Seabirds and turtles have a right to live in peace, undisturbed, on their tiny remote coral atolls. http://t.co/drD41RAAwT | Apr 21 09:23 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> chagos-trust.org | Welcome to the Chagos Conservation Trust | Chagos Conservation Trust | Apr 21 09:23 | |
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| schestowitz | seems like classic claim for "divine rights" over place(colonisation) by #greenwashing presence, #militarybase contradicts it | Apr 21 09:35 |
| schestowitz | http://rbth.com/arts/2014/04/20/why_did_russia_sell_alaska_to_the_united_states_36061.html | Apr 21 09:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-rbth.com | Why did Russia sell Alaska to the United States? | Russia Beyond The Headlines [ http://ur1.ca/h4yvl ] | Apr 21 09:37 | |
| schestowitz | How much can one trust the Russian press? | Apr 21 09:38 |
| MinceR | because they didn't know there was oil there, i'm guessing :> | Apr 21 09:42 |
| schestowitz | http://www.geekwire.com/2014/heres-amazon-coms-earliest-employees-landed/ | Apr 21 09:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geekwire.com | Here's where 7 of Amazon's earliest employees landed: None in the startup ranks - GeekWire [ http://ur1.ca/h4ywk ] | Apr 21 09:43 | |
| schestowitz | "Davis is now a lecturer at Berlin’s Technische Universitat, and founder of Linux Audio Systems. " | Apr 21 09:43 |
| schestowitz | MinceR: I'm thinking more along the lines of carriers and platforms for nukes | Apr 21 09:44 |
| schestowitz | the many islands are used for that | Apr 21 09:44 |
| schestowitz | and sometimes even for black sites (CIA torture), which last week we found out the US was using (British islands) | Apr 21 09:44 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458239341878575104 | Apr 21 09:47 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz The "divine rights" of Homo sapiens to trample all over tiny remote coral atolls includes building military bases. #seabirds | Apr 21 09:47 | |
| schestowitz | Military bases contribute a lot to pollution http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollution | Apr 21 09:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Pollution - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Apr 21 09:49 | |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458242596901765121 | Apr 21 09:56 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Yes, pollution is one thing, deforestation and habitat exclusion is another; thankfully the base is restricted to Diego Garcia. | Apr 21 09:56 | |
| schestowitz | I bet its presence there is either to do with nuclear/porting purposes, like "freedom" in Iraq | Apr 21 09:57 |
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| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/RewildBritain/status/458245388102041600 | Apr 21 10:18 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RewildBritain: @schestowitz Yes, it is a common theme to have a good reason to invade another state's territory; do not forget the Sudeten Germans. #power | Apr 21 10:18 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines SUPPORTING GOVERNMENT DIGITAL INITIATIVES WITH | Apr 21 10:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | SUPPORTING GOVERNMENT DIGITAL INITIATIVES WITH OPEN SOURCE | Tux Machines | Apr 21 10:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 key insights on the transition from Windows | Apr 21 10:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | to Linux http://t.co/MZVpNh2NYM | Apr 21 10:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 key insights on the transition from Windows to Linux | Tux Machines | Apr 21 10:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Wasteland 2 adds Linux support in major Early | Apr 21 10:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Access update http://t.co/IYGPFm9NMq | Apr 21 10:23 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Wasteland 2 adds Linux support in major Early Access update | Tux Machines | Apr 21 10:23 | |
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| DaemonFC | schestowitz: Good news. I might be getting ready to buy a house. | Apr 21 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | It's a little bit of a fixer upper, but it's only $8,500. | Apr 21 10:33 |
| DaemonFC | All it *really* needs before I can move in is some minor repairs and maybe a new paint job. | Apr 21 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | Also, they have this little midget toilet in the bathroom that's going to have to come out. | Apr 21 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | I don't even know where they got that. | Apr 21 10:34 |
| DaemonFC | That's not a big issue though. I can get a new toilet for less than $100. | Apr 21 10:35 |
| DaemonFC | I knew that I lived in a small town for a reason. | Apr 21 10:38 |
| DaemonFC | That same house would be about $40,000 in Fort Wayne. | Apr 21 10:39 |
| DaemonFC | I might call that Solar City company and see about having solar panels installed on the roof if I buy that house. | Apr 21 10:53 |
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| msb__ | DaemonFC: Congratulations! All that coupon shopping pays off! | Apr 21 11:05 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 21 11:16 |
| Sosumi | russia sold alaska to the US, cheaply, with the conditionality for the US to drive the british out of canada | Apr 21 11:25 |
| Sosumi | which the US never bothered to | Apr 21 11:25 |
| MinceR | well, they're not british anymore :> | Apr 21 11:36 |
| schestowitz | still reign of the Queen | Apr 21 11:40 |
| schestowitz | Commonwealth | Apr 21 11:40 |
| schestowitz | DaemonFC: well done | Apr 21 11:40 |
| schestowitz | but what's the hype about buying houses? | Apr 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz | In the Uk there is a system of peer pressure, so almost everyone falls behind debt for compliance with social 'norms' | Apr 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz | Some people buy a house and have zero cash left | Apr 21 11:41 |
| schestowitz | so bye bye financial security, unless you sell the house or remortgage it for well below value | Apr 21 11:42 |
| Sosumi | I woukdn't mind buying a house | Apr 21 11:42 |
| Sosumi | but for what do I want a house if I'll put inside it are myself and a bunch of computers and desk | Apr 21 11:43 |
| Sosumi | doesn't make sense | Apr 21 11:43 |
| Sosumi | :) | Apr 21 11:43 |
| Sosumi | I certainly wouldn't mind communitarian housing | Apr 21 11:44 |
| DaemonFC | schestowitz: I just want to own. | Apr 21 11:44 |
| Sosumi | a big kitchen and living room for everyone | Apr 21 11:45 |
| Sosumi | and then big rooms for everyone to sleep in and have their privacy | Apr 21 11:45 |
| Sosumi | and stuff | Apr 21 11:45 |
| DaemonFC | It's in excellent condition considering the price. | Apr 21 11:53 |
| DaemonFC | It even has new siding. | Apr 21 11:53 |
| schestowitz | https://twitter.com/wayneborean/status/458233558482444288 | Apr 21 11:54 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@wayneborean: @schestowitz So how are things? We are still looking for a legal type to help resurrect Groklaw. | Apr 21 11:54 | |
| schestowitz | PJ already tried that wit Webbink | Apr 21 11:55 |
| DaemonFC | I could get a 3% loan, pay it off in five years. | Apr 21 11:56 |
| DaemonFC | Then I'm not wasting money on rent ever again. | Apr 21 11:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.04 ‘Trusty Tahr’ First Impressions | Apr 21 11:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 14.04 ‘Trusty Tahr’ First Impressions | Tux Machines | Apr 21 11:58 | |
| schestowitz | rent is only one expense among several | Apr 21 12:00 |
| schestowitz | you may find that it only accounts for half of your accomodation/food-related expenses | Apr 21 12:01 |
| schestowitz | so you carry on paying, you are in debt and under stress, and you cannot relocate (even if you find a distant job), etc. | Apr 21 12:01 |
| schestowitz | If you can get a loan foor 3% annual interest rate, then it's probably from family | Apr 21 12:02 |
| schestowitz | in which case you just simply become indebted to a relative and the one who has most to lose is the relative | Apr 21 12:02 |
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| s | DaemonFC: sit down and do the maths, I know I did, it took a few hours | Apr 21 12:09 |
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| msb__ | I just killed my facebook account! It *is* possible! I had to google to ask how. | Apr 21 13:20 |
| msb__ | No more emails about so-and-so just posted another picture! No more "friend requests" from people I never heard of. If I want to talk with someone I'll send them an email, or better, call them on the phone. Or skype. (because I've never been able to get SIP working) | Apr 21 13:22 |
| Sosumi | I just talk to the ppl at the gym | Apr 21 13:25 |
| Sosumi | or to some random dude or girl that seats near me in classes | Apr 21 13:25 |
| msb__ | There ya go! That way you can smell them, too. | Apr 21 13:25 |
| Sosumi | and hear their voices and see their expressions | Apr 21 13:26 |
| Sosumi | much better than talking to some random schmuck on facebook | Apr 21 13:27 |
| msb__ | Yes. Technology has its place. | Apr 21 13:27 |
| Sosumi | tech yes | Apr 21 13:28 |
| Sosumi | facebook no | Apr 21 13:28 |
| cubezzz | I use facebook less and less | Apr 21 13:28 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: That ms-dirtytricks.txt file is great! I'd like to link to it from my Linux page. Are you always going to keep it at that location? | Apr 21 13:31 |
| cubezzz | yeah http://www.maxhost.org/other is sort of a catch-all place I use | Apr 21 13:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.maxhost.org | Index of /other | Apr 21 13:32 | |
| msb__ | cubezzz: OK, excellent! People really need to know about Microsoft's evil acts. | Apr 21 13:33 |
| cubezzz | this url is also worth a look if you haven't seen it: | Apr 21 13:35 |
| cubezzz | http://www.corporatewatch.org/?lid=364 | Apr 21 13:35 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.corporatewatch.org | Corporate Watch : Microsoft : Influence / Lobbying | Apr 21 13:35 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Games http://t.co/ZHEB8YLXCp | Apr 21 13:35 |
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| cubezzz | it's old but it talks about what happened after the DOJ decided not to break up Microsoft | Apr 21 13:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Digitimes Research: Microsoft facing | Apr 21 13:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | difficulties in 3 major segments | Apr 21 13:35 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Will Enterprises Be Next to Warm Up to | Apr 21 13:35 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Chromebooks? http://t.co/QStMYGTU4f | Apr 21 13:35 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Games | Tux Machines | Apr 21 13:35 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Digitimes Research: Microsoft facing difficulties in 3 major segments | Tux Machines | Apr 21 13:36 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Will Enterprises Be Next to Warm Up to Chromebooks? | Tux Machines | Apr 21 13:36 | |
| cubezzz | I think Genuine Advantage was the last straw for a lot of people | Apr 21 13:38 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: Very good - thanks! | Apr 21 13:40 |
| msb__ | Hah! Advantage for MS, certainly not for the users. | Apr 21 13:44 |
| msb__ | That's like a sign I saw on the local comcast store door: "For your convenience, the store will be closing one hour earlier from now on." | Apr 21 13:45 |
| msb__ | Set up legal entities whose *only* requirement is to maximize shareholder profits, and that's what you get. Super-psychopaths. | Apr 21 13:49 |
| msb__ | Let them control the government and you get millions of people murdered. | Apr 21 13:50 |
| _Goblin | schestowitz__, When you see this, I'll be around in a bit......I'd say same channel mumble, but I'll DM you as I've forgotten which one we used before....speak to you in a bit. | Apr 21 13:55 |
| cubezzz | the history of unix and linux is interesting but one of the things that doesn't get talked about too much is that linux is getting steadily slower | Apr 21 13:57 |
| cubezzz | I'm running 2.2, 2.4 and 2.6 machines beside each other and I can really see the difference | Apr 21 13:57 |
| msb__ | Slower doing what? The only thing I see that isn't instantaneous is disk searches through lots of directories. | Apr 21 13:58 |
| cubezzz | well it's a combination of things | Apr 21 13:59 |
| cubezzz | aside from higher video resolutions (which is offset by faster video cards and cpu) there's slower memory allocation | Apr 21 14:00 |
| cubezzz | less efficient use of memory | Apr 21 14:00 |
| cubezzz | you would only see it if you ran different eras of linux on identical hardware, which almost is never the case | Apr 21 14:01 |
| msb__ | Those are *causes*, but what are the effects? What do you see that's running slowly? | Apr 21 14:01 |
| cubezzz | firefox is the big one | Apr 21 14:01 |
| cubezzz | it eats up most of the ram if given the chance | Apr 21 14:02 |
| msb__ | Unless you have 8 gigs of ram. | Apr 21 14:02 |
| msb__ | Then it gets into a loop and takes a whole cpu core just because you have 130 tabs open. | Apr 21 14:03 |
| msb__ | It's really gotten a whole lot more stable. | Apr 21 14:03 |
| msb__ | For one thing, when you restart it with all its previous windows and tabs, it doesn't actually restore any of the tabs except the one in each window that you're looking at. | Apr 21 14:04 |
| msb__ | In my case, that keeps the cpu from melting. | Apr 21 14:05 |
| msb__ | Or maybe vaporizing. | Apr 21 14:05 |
| cubezzz | heat dissipation, thanks for reminding me about that :) | Apr 21 14:05 |
| MinceR | it wouldn't melt, it would just take a long time until it became usable :> | Apr 21 14:05 |
| msb__ | Just monitor the core temps, and blow that cat-dust out of the heatsink fins every once in a while. | Apr 21 14:06 |
| msb__ | And don't overcook it. | Apr 21 14:08 |
| Sosumi | don't overcook the cat | Apr 21 14:09 |
| msb__ | Anyhow, even with all the abuse I give it, Firefox is still pretty much instantaneous, unless it's waiting for stuff from the server. | Apr 21 14:09 |
| msb__ | I really miss my cat. He was a super-being. | Apr 21 14:10 |
| Sosumi | what happened to it? | Apr 21 14:11 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: I hesitate to disagree with you, since you are such an expert, but I think hardware has more than kept up with software bloat. | Apr 21 14:11 |
| msb__ | Cancer | Apr 21 14:11 |
| Sosumi | ouch | Apr 21 14:11 |
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| msb__ | It was before the discovery of dichloroacetate. That might have been able to save him. | Apr 21 14:13 |
| msb__ | On a positive note with Firefox, I got it to smooth-scroll really nicely. | Apr 21 14:20 |
| cubezzz | there's also the question of actually understanding the code | Apr 21 14:41 |
| cubezzz | which after each iteration becomes more and more difficult | Apr 21 14:41 |
| cubezzz | and it's not merely 'bloat' | Apr 21 14:45 |
| cubezzz | it's also detritus | Apr 21 14:45 |
| cubezzz | there's a few major transitions worth mentioning | Apr 21 14:51 |
| cubezzz | these are hardware transitions | Apr 21 14:51 |
| cubezzz | DEC/IBM/SUN -> (Amiga,Atari) -> Sparc, PPC -> and the rather nebulous category of x86 PCs | Apr 21 14:53 |
| cubezzz | so we have all that aggregation, not all of that is in Linux but a lot of it is | Apr 21 14:55 |
| cubezzz | someone has to write the low-level stuff | Apr 21 14:56 |
| cubezzz | so anyways, the other point was there's tons and tons of code that never even gets executed | Apr 21 14:57 |
| cubezzz | compare ls.c in Unix v7 with ls.c in Linux sometime | Apr 21 14:57 |
| cubezzz | then count how many of ls's options you actually use | Apr 21 14:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Schedule is Set for LinuxCon and CloudOpen | Tux Machines | Apr 21 14:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Rugged Linux box offers Ethernet access to | Apr 21 14:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Rugged Linux box offers Ethernet access to serial gizmos | Tux Machines | Apr 21 14:58 | |
| cubezzz | the usb sub-system was re-written, also xorg is quite different from XFree86 version 3 | Apr 21 15:00 |
| cubezzz | those are just the 2.4 -> 2.6 kernel differences | Apr 21 15:01 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: Maybe this is the teensiest weensiest Linux: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nanolinux | Apr 21 16:13 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Nanolinux - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Apr 21 16:13 | |
| cubezzz | msb_, it's not | Apr 21 16:14 |
| cubezzz | but it depends on what one means by tiny | Apr 21 16:14 |
| cubezzz | nano/tiny core concentrated on reducing the disk space used | Apr 21 16:15 |
| cubezzz | nano core needs about 64 megs of ram, very small for today's distros but... | Apr 21 16:15 |
| cubezzz | Basic Linux 3 was designed for minimal use of memory and can run pretty well with 16 megs, including X | Apr 21 16:16 |
| schestowitz__ | _Goblin: ping | Apr 21 16:18 |
| cubezzz | without X you could get it down to 4 megs of ram | Apr 21 16:19 |
| msb__ | I want one that'll run on a single cross-connected 12AX7. | Apr 21 16:20 |
| msb__ | So it can survive an EMP. | Apr 21 16:23 |
| cubezzz | vacuum tubes :) | Apr 21 16:23 |
| msb__ | It doesn't have to have a lot of ls options. | Apr 21 16:23 |
| cubezzz | well you got me there | Apr 21 16:23 |
| MinceR | you could just use EMP shielding | Apr 21 16:24 |
| cubezzz | there's talk of nano vacuum tubes so you might just be on to something there | Apr 21 16:25 |
| msb__ | Nano is ok. I don't care if I need a microscope to see them, as long as I can see them glowing warm orange. | Apr 21 16:28 |
| MinceR | you can make a lot of things glow warm orange | Apr 21 16:29 |
| MinceR | iron, steel, glass, ... | Apr 21 16:29 |
| cubezzz | computer-wise you'd probably be a lot happier with an original PDP-8 | Apr 21 16:29 |
| msb__ | Nah, LINC had a much prettier front panel. | Apr 21 16:30 |
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| cubezzz | maybe you don't have to go back that far | Apr 21 16:32 |
| cubezzz | an Amiga had almost everything socketed, so it's still easy to repair assuming you can find the chips | Apr 21 16:32 |
| Sosumi | just get a tempest certified cabinet | Apr 21 16:32 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 21 16:32 |
| cubezzz | can you get those for PCs? | Apr 21 16:32 |
| Sosumi | well ofc | Apr 21 16:33 |
| Sosumi | to what else did you want to get one to? | Apr 21 16:33 |
| Sosumi | a mac? | Apr 21 16:33 |
| Sosumi | lol | Apr 21 16:33 |
| Sosumi | there cabinets for both rack mounting | Apr 21 16:34 |
| Sosumi | and others that let you trow a tower inside | Apr 21 16:34 |
| Sosumi | similar to those used in music studios to dampen the sound | Apr 21 16:34 |
| Sosumi | *at | Apr 21 16:34 |
| msb__ | The advantage of the LINC is that it had 12bit words, so you could address plenty of RAM, er, core. | Apr 21 16:35 |
| cubezzz | PDP-8 was also 12-bit | Apr 21 16:35 |
| msb__ | And lighted pushbuttons and little silver bat-handle toggle switches for address and data. | Apr 21 16:36 |
| cubezzz | too bad you don't have a LINC | Apr 21 16:36 |
| cubezzz | that would be quite a collector's item | Apr 21 16:36 |
| msb__ | PDP-8 had a crummy front panel and sharp pointy plastic switches. | Apr 21 16:37 |
| msb__ | Hurt your fingers when you set them to all 1s or all 0s. | Apr 21 16:37 |
| msb__ | The LINC even used discrete transistor circuits, not ICs. | Apr 21 16:38 |
| msb__ | But I'd replace them with 12AX7s. | Apr 21 16:39 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3961527 | Apr 21 16:39 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The world's first open source laptop crosses halfway mark in crowdfunding. http://www.dnaindia.com/scitech/report-the-world-s-first-open-source-laptop-laptop-crosses-halfway-mark-in-crowdfunding-1980420 | Apr 21 16:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.dnaindia.com | The world's first open source laptop laptop crosses halfway mark in crowdfunding. | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/h51a5 ] | Apr 21 16:40 | |
| schestowitz__ | "@Bugs: I think I read the chips are open too, but I can't find where. Firmware seems to be open." | Apr 21 16:40 |
| schestowitz__ | "I'm still just trying to figure out just how open this really is. Does it need proprietary drivers? Firmware? Do we have the schematics, not just down to the component, but to the transistor? Groups like the NSA like to infiltrate at the deepest levels, where often the higher levels are easier to open. Of this truly is open, transistor to user apps and everything in between, them it would be a significant security development indeed, | Apr 21 16:40 |
| schestowitz__ | although great care would have to be taken by the governance to ensure no unwanted influence." | Apr 21 16:40 |
| msb__ | If we could get rid of the corporate-nazi-psychopaths in government, we wouldn't have to worry about them snooping in our computers. | Apr 21 16:44 |
| msb__ | Or shooting us. | Apr 21 16:44 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/portable-pdp8.png | Apr 21 16:44 |
| Sosumi | cubezzz, seatbelts? anyone? | Apr 21 16:46 |
| cubezzz | heh | Apr 21 16:46 |
| msb__ | Cute! Yeah those machines didn't just fit behind the front panel. | Apr 21 16:46 |
| msb__ | The S-100s did, though. | Apr 21 16:47 |
| cubezzz | they might have at least secured the PDP with some bungee cords | Apr 21 16:47 |
| Sosumi | :) | Apr 21 16:47 |
| Sosumi | or there would be a flying pdp8 | Apr 21 16:48 |
| msb__ | It would be a formidable weapon! | Apr 21 16:48 |
| Sosumi | nah | Apr 21 16:48 |
| Sosumi | catapulting washing machines was the best yet | Apr 21 16:49 |
| Sosumi | as the palestinians did back in 2010? | Apr 21 16:49 |
| Sosumi | or was it 2011 | Apr 21 16:49 |
| msb__ | Or cows. Run away! | Apr 21 16:49 |
| Sosumi | muuuh | Apr 21 16:49 |
| Sosumi | gn | Apr 21 16:51 |
| MinceR | o/ | Apr 21 16:51 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 21 17:31 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu 14.04 LTS vs. Oracle Linux vs. CentOS | Apr 21 18:30 |
| TweetTuxMachines | vs. openSUSE http://t.co/YAGwwhYDGn | Apr 21 18:30 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME Developer Adds Tablet Support To | Apr 21 18:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu 14.04 LTS vs. Oracle Linux vs. CentOS vs. openSUSE | Tux Machines | Apr 21 18:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Android kitchen computers feature transparent | Apr 21 18:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | GNOME Developer Adds Tablet Support To Wayland's Libinput | Tux Machines | Apr 21 18:30 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD Catalyst 14.4 Brings Full OpenGL 4.4 | Apr 21 18:30 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Programming is fun – the free software column | Tux Machines | Apr 21 18:30 | |
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| DaemonFC | I can't believe how bad Windows 8 is. I can see why nobody wants to upgrade from Windows XP. | Apr 21 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | It's sort of sad that in 13 years, Microsoft has gone backwards from Windows XP, which wasn't all that good to begin with. | Apr 21 21:17 |
| DaemonFC | I sat down and tried to fix Collin's laptop and it was like an exorcism. | Apr 21 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | Windows 8 just does stupid shit at random and makes you wait so long to do a simple thing like open Firefox, that you just want to scream. | Apr 21 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | Ubuntu 14.04 LTS will be done downloading soon, and then that copy of Windows is getting nuked. | Apr 21 21:18 |
| DaemonFC | I've just gotten too used to GNU/Linux, which usually does the right thing the first time, and never gets saddled with crapware, trialware, shovelware, malware, and fuck-ups in general. | Apr 21 21:18 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Is Financing A Lot Of Great Open-Source | Apr 22 02:02 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Work This Summer http://t.co/O0sQMcYe0a | Apr 22 02:02 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google Is Financing A Lot Of Great Open-Source Work This Summer | Tux Machines | Apr 22 02:02 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/wayneborean/status/458342676442935297 | Apr 22 02:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat, Ubuntu, and Docker: Container | Apr 22 06:19 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel 3.15 RC2 Released by Linus | Apr 22 06:19 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Torvalds, Things Go Back to Normal | Apr 22 06:19 |
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| MinceR | http://d24w6bsrhbeh9d.cloudfront.net/photo/aeNyM65_700b.jpg | Apr 22 06:24 |
| msb__ | 8^) | Apr 22 06:29 |
| msb__ | "<DaemonFC> I sat down and tried to fix Collin's laptop and it was like an exorcism." The Power of Linux compels you! | Apr 22 06:31 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 22 06:41 |
| MinceR | geekings | Apr 22 06:52 |
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| msb__ | MinceR: Hi! That joke you posted was very funny, and fairly represents the paranoia and insanity of the current North Korean government, which it openly portrays to the world. | Apr 22 07:56 |
| msb__ | MinceR: However, from what I've been able to learn so far, that paranoia is a result of the murder of about 30% of the North Korean population during the Korean War, which was started by multiple invasions by the South Korean military into the North, urged by the U.S. | Apr 22 07:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Why an open source community beats access to | Apr 22 07:58 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubisoft's Watch Dogs Might Get a Linux Version | Apr 22 07:58 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Clang Fights GCC On AMD's Athlon AM1 APU With | Apr 22 07:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Jaguar Cores http://t.co/sVI4Y1LfBb | Apr 22 07:58 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Why an open source community beats access to tech support | Tux Machines | Apr 22 07:58 | |
| MinceR | yeah, it's never the communist's fault in your world | Apr 22 07:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Clang Fights GCC On AMD's Athlon AM1 APU With Jaguar Cores | Tux Machines | Apr 22 08:00 | |
| msb__ | MinceR: Journalist I F Stone wrote a book about this. Since you haven't watched the David Korten video, I doubt that you'll want to look at the book. You don't take in any information that might alter your current viewpoint. That guarantees that you'll never learn anything. | Apr 22 08:02 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Even wikipedia recognizes that South Korean president Synghman Rhee was a repressive dictator -- a torturer and murderer. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synghman_Rhee#Political_repression | Apr 22 08:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Syngman Rhee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h573g ] | Apr 22 08:03 | |
| MinceR | which means that south korea is evil forever? | Apr 22 08:04 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Of course not. But what it means is that the repressiveness of North Korea is due to the shock of having a third of its population murderd by the U.S. military during the Korean War, which the US and South Korea provoked. Burning people to death with napalm was one of the main methods of this murder. | Apr 22 08:10 |
| MinceR | and being shocked means being an evil dictatorship forever is good | Apr 22 08:10 |
| MinceR | so long as you use the communist symbols | Apr 22 08:10 |
| MinceR | because doing the exact same thing with nazi symbols is evil | Apr 22 08:10 |
| MinceR | why do commies believe that the symbols you use while you commit atrocities is the only thing that matters? | Apr 22 08:11 |
| msb__ | MinceR: If the US had not intervened, in order to prevent a unified socialist or at least liberal Korea from being formed, as many in the south wanted, then Korea would be very different now. Of course the US intervention, as always, was for the purpose of destroying socialism and any workers' organizing, lest it cut into the profits of the wealthy businessmen who control the US government. | Apr 22 08:12 |
| MinceR | yeah, "socialist" states are so liberal | Apr 22 08:13 |
| MinceR | that is, if we assume that "liberal" means the exact opposite of what it really means | Apr 22 08:13 |
| msb__ | "Liberal" means enabling freedom. | Apr 22 08:14 |
| msb__ | That includes giving working people control of farms, factories, etc, and the profits thereof. | Apr 22 08:14 |
| MinceR | how exactly does a dictatorship with no freedom of speech where the state owns and controls everything "enable freedom"? | Apr 22 08:15 |
| MinceR | also, do you define the dictator and their bootlickers "working people"? | Apr 22 08:16 |
| MinceR | (i know they tend to love parading as such...) | Apr 22 08:16 |
| msb__ | The nature of the US system is shown by its execution of the false-flag 9/11 terror attack, and its subsequent use of that deception to murder 2,000,000 people in Afghanistan and Iraq, and to destroy the economy and infrastructure of Libya. | Apr 22 08:16 |
| msb__ | No, I define actual ordinary working people as such. | Apr 22 08:17 |
| MinceR | well, at least now i know that your false-liberal love of communism extends to north korea | Apr 22 08:17 |
| msb__ | You're totally lying. I wrote 24 minutes ago "paranoia and insanity of the current North Korean government", and 9 minutes ago "the repressiveness of North Korea". Why do you lie, when your lies are so easy to refute? | Apr 22 08:20 |
| MinceR | yes, you tried to make it seem as if it was entirely the fault of the USA | Apr 22 08:22 |
| MinceR | because obviously if someone uses the sickle, the hammer and the five-pointed star, they can be nothing less than an angel. | Apr 22 08:22 |
| MinceR | you're one of the most gullible people i know | Apr 22 08:23 |
| msb__ | MinceR: You can get a scanned pdf of _The hidden history of the Korean War, 1950-1951 (A Nonconformist history of our times) I. F Stone_ here: http://en.bookfi.org/book/1427116 | Apr 22 08:25 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.bookfi.org | The hidden history of the Korean War, 1950-1951 (A Nonconformist history of our times) | I. F Stone | digital library Bookfi | Apr 22 08:25 | |
| MinceR | which explains how repressive regimes can be the epitome of good in a way that can not be reduced to less than 50 pages, i'm sure | Apr 22 08:26 |
| Sosumi | north korea is the best korea | Apr 22 08:40 |
| Sosumi | specially if you like to be stuck in the past | Apr 22 08:40 |
| Sosumi | and live a miserable, short and brutish life | Apr 22 08:40 |
| Sosumi | most of that all thanks to US meddling | Apr 22 08:41 |
| msb__ | “….we have come to the conclusion that (South Korean president) Syngman Rhee deliberately provoked the North Koreans in the hope that they would retaliate by crossing the parallel in force. The northerners fell neatly into the trap.” http://www.globalresearch.ca/americas-war-on-north-korea/5329374 | Apr 22 08:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca | America’s War on North Korea | Global Research [ http://ur1.ca/h57cs ] | Apr 22 08:41 | |
| Sosumi | I'm not a fan of global research | Apr 22 08:42 |
| Sosumi | those guys tend to get things wrong | Apr 22 08:42 |
| msb__ | Sosumi: Too bad. It's one of the most accurate alternative new sites on the Web, not influenced by corporatist/fascist propaganda. | Apr 22 08:43 |
| msb__ | new-->news | Apr 22 08:43 |
| Sosumi | is it? | Apr 22 08:43 |
| Sosumi | I'm not so sure | Apr 22 08:43 |
| Sosumi | but nvm | Apr 22 08:43 |
| MinceR | perhaps it has biases msb__ agrees with :> | Apr 22 08:43 |
| Sosumi | :) | Apr 22 08:43 |
| MinceR | i suspect it's harder to notice biases one agrees with | Apr 22 08:44 |
| msb__ | CRG was among the first to expose the US use of Al-qaeda as proxies in its attack on Syria. Eventually other sites followed suit. | Apr 22 08:45 |
| msb__ | Well, I told you where you can get Stone's book yourselves. | Apr 22 08:47 |
| Sosumi | oliver stone? | Apr 22 08:47 |
| msb__ | MinceR: You can get a scanned pdf of _The hidden history of the Korean War, 1950-1951 (A Nonconformist history of our times) I. F Stone_ here: http://en.bookfi.org/book/1427116 | Apr 22 08:47 |
| msb__ | I have never said, as MinceR lied, that "repressive regimes can be the epitome of good". What I do say is that when a nation has 30% of its population murdered by being burned and bombed to death can cause a long-lasting trauma and subsequent paranoia. | Apr 22 08:52 |
| msb__ | ...and that can easily lead to repression. The survivors focus on defending themselves against any possible attack or subversion. Especially with the US currently murdering millions of people, using its deceptions like 9/11 as the pretext. | Apr 22 08:55 |
| msb__ | Actually, the US is doing far more harm in the world than North Korea is. NK only attacks its own citizens. The US routinely invades other nations and murders millions of people. | Apr 22 08:57 |
| MinceR | therefore we should hand all power to NK so they can do more harm in the world | Apr 22 08:58 |
| MinceR | right? | Apr 22 08:58 |
| Sosumi | not all | Apr 22 09:00 |
| Sosumi | just some | Apr 22 09:00 |
| Sosumi | so by little the regime loses its power | Apr 22 09:00 |
| MinceR | yeah, regimes lose their power when they're given more power | Apr 22 09:01 |
| msb__ | MinceR: No, we should learn how the Korean War was started, realize that the insanity of the NK govt was caused by that, apologize for it, and try to help them -- supply food and other aid. | Apr 22 09:01 |
| Sosumi | sanctioning them will only cause the people to actually cling to their "leaders" | Apr 22 09:01 |
| MinceR | yeah, giving aid to dictatorships tend to work out so well | Apr 22 09:01 |
| MinceR | like in africa | Apr 22 09:01 |
| Sosumi | I meant that in the sense of removing the economic sanctions | Apr 22 09:01 |
| Sosumi | just let them be | Apr 22 09:02 |
| Sosumi | this isn't africa, it is NK | Apr 22 09:02 |
| MinceR | yeah, i know, it's worse | Apr 22 09:02 |
| Sosumi | africa is a much different story | Apr 22 09:02 |
| MinceR | much different and yet megalomaniac dictators work so similarly | Apr 22 09:02 |
| Sosumi | well but the dictators in africa have support from london and the US | Apr 22 09:03 |
| Sosumi | in order to secure the diamond extraction | Apr 22 09:03 |
| Sosumi | and other mining operations | Apr 22 09:03 |
| Sosumi | and ofc | Apr 22 09:03 |
| Sosumi | to jack the prices all the way up | Apr 22 09:04 |
| msb__ | People can evaluate the policies of their megalomaniac dictators much more accurately if they aren't starving to death. | Apr 22 09:07 |
| MinceR | aid rarely reaches the people, though | Apr 22 09:08 |
| msb__ | Only one way to find out. We have plenty. | Apr 22 09:08 |
| msb__ | And the aid (and apology) would be widely publicized, so if the NK regime withheld the food from its people it would be shamed. | Apr 22 09:10 |
| MinceR | afaik it was attempted several times already | Apr 22 09:10 |
| MinceR | as for the apology, it would probably not reach the NK people intact | Apr 22 09:10 |
| msb__ | If so, I doubt if it was with an apology for provoking the Korean War. | Apr 22 09:11 |
| MinceR | indeed, it was not with any apologies | Apr 22 09:11 |
| msb__ | But the apology would reach the rest of the world. | Apr 22 09:11 |
| MinceR | and accomplish nothing | Apr 22 09:11 |
| msb__ | So you say MinceR. But actually, it couldn't hurt to try. | Apr 22 09:11 |
| msb__ | The situation is no different from trying to help a severely abused child, who now hates everyone. | Apr 22 09:13 |
| msb__ | In fact, since the NK govt is made up of people, who are severely traumatized by the Korean War, even if it happened before they were born, it's really the *same* situation. | Apr 22 09:15 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3966420 | Apr 22 15:36 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: I never did any illegal drugs. Unless I had lived in the US 100 years ago; Alcohol was at that stage an illegal drug, unlike pot. | Apr 22 15:36 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Wasn't that also the golden age of the maffia?" | Apr 22 15:36 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #wordpress 3.9 feels like a beta version of 3.6. And it also comes with a #backdoor which drives me away to #drupal over time. | Apr 22 15:37 | |
| schestowitz__ | "^ +1" | Apr 22 15:37 |
| schestowitz__ | "WP was never too secure, actually. If you want it to be secure - keep it simple." | Apr 22 15:37 |
| schestowitz__ | "marc, you get a +1 for spreading "KISS principle"." | Apr 22 15:37 |
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| Sosumi | lulz | Apr 22 16:24 |
| Sosumi | "Two months after the change of regime in Kiev, the Polish press has disclosed the role of Donald Tusk’s government in preparing the coup." | Apr 22 16:24 |
| Sosumi | maybe the next time some polish dude goes on a trip to russia | Apr 22 16:27 |
| Sosumi | his plane will end up "mysteriously" falling | Apr 22 16:28 |
| MinceR | didn't that happen already? | Apr 22 16:29 |
| MinceR | with kaczynski and his partners in crime? | Apr 22 16:29 |
| Sosumi | can't it happen again? :) | Apr 22 16:32 |
| MinceR | of course it can | Apr 22 16:34 |
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| Sosumi | well, no surprise at all | Apr 22 16:40 |
| Sosumi | I've also heard an interview this morning on ruptly with a venezuelan student | Apr 22 16:41 |
| Sosumi | and she appeared to jut be nothing more than a parrot | Apr 22 16:41 |
| Sosumi | but ho well | Apr 22 16:43 |
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| MinceR | o/ | Apr 22 16:43 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HotLinuxJobs: The demand has always outstripped | Apr 23 08:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | the supply for Linux professionals | Apr 23 08:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | OpenPOWER Foundation to reveal innovations in Big Data | Tux Machines | Apr 23 08:04 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | HotLinuxJobs: The demand has always outstripped the supply for Linux professionals | Tux Machines | Apr 23 08:04 | |
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| schestowitz__ | MinceR: I am looking at that PDF | Apr 23 09:06 |
| schestowitz__ | Any special relevance I'm missing? | Apr 23 09:06 |
| MinceR | no special relevance, i think | Apr 23 09:06 |
| MinceR | just very funny | Apr 23 09:07 |
| schestowitz__ | yes, I saw that running quickly through all pages | Apr 23 09:08 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3971052 | Apr 23 09:09 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Not all Western #drone victims have passport revoked (remotely) before they are assassinated. Means it's often accidental, justified later. | Apr 23 09:09 | |
| schestowitz__ | "We shot you, therefore you're guilty. Outstanding!" | Apr 23 09:09 |
| MinceR | though i it did make me realize that HTML should not only replaced in the 'hypertext' role but also in the 'secure remote GUI' role | Apr 23 09:09 |
| schestowitz__ | Appeals Court now forces them to disclosure documents, but the dead cannot defend selves anymore | Apr 23 09:09 |
| MinceR | which explains why they did things like that :> | Apr 23 09:11 |
| schestowitz__ | My guess is: | Apr 23 09:11 |
| schestowitz__ | 1. They can make claims about what they in Yemen, only based on "official" accounts (nearby witnessed fried in Hellfire also). | Apr 23 09:11 |
| schestowitz__ | 2. They will sex up the claims. I've seen that done to many people before; just tie them up to some reading list to call them Marxist, Nazi, or something along those lies to detach public sympathy. | Apr 23 09:12 |
| schestowitz__ | 3. Guilt by association for any young people or women killed. | Apr 23 09:12 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3961527 | Apr 23 09:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: The world's first open source laptop crosses halfway mark in crowdfunding. http://www.dnaindia.com/scitech/report-the-world-s-first-open-source-laptop-laptop-crosses-halfway-mark-in-crowdfunding-1980420 | Apr 23 09:16 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Either way, I hope it takes off. I have a decent laptop for the moment, but next time I switch I'd love to build one of those." | Apr 23 09:16 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.dnaindia.com | The world's first open source laptop crosses halfway mark in crowdfunding. | Latest News & Updates at Daily News & Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/h5bw8 ] | Apr 23 09:16 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/ekendo/status/458960760970825728 | Apr 23 09:38 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ekendo: "@schestowitz: #Ethiopia "GNU/Linux with numbers pushing 30%" http://t.co/us7T7u2B6U depending on the day #yournerds #software" | Apr 23 09:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> mrpogson.com | Desktop OS In Ethiopia – What A Difference A Day Makes | Robert Pogson | Apr 23 09:38 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Future update gives better view of Chromebook | Apr 23 10:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | CPU usage http://t.co/DvGZjKVE2u | Apr 23 10:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Future update gives better view of Chromebook CPU usage | Tux Machines | Apr 23 10:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.0 Is Looking | Apr 23 10:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Fantastic http://t.co/ggwxEdyrim | Apr 23 10:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.0 Is Looking Fantastic | Tux Machines | Apr 23 10:44 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Tabletop Simulator now on Steam Early Access | Apr 23 10:44 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Tabletop Simulator now on Steam Early Access | Tux Machines | Apr 23 10:44 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3970700 | Apr 23 10:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Hey AT&T, enough with the gigawashing! http://gigaom.com/2014/04/21/hey-att-enough-with-the-gigawashing/ AT&T a huge violator of #privacy and #internet #censorship villain | Apr 23 10:46 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> gigaom.com | Hey AT&T, enough with the gigawashing! — Tech News and Analysis [ http://ur1.ca/h5j6k ] | Apr 23 10:46 | |
| schestowitz__ | "While blocking competitors http://action.sumofus.org/a/att-alec-lobby-community-owned-internet-networks/" | Apr 23 10:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-action.sumofus.org | AT&T is waging a war against rural communities across America. | SumOfUs [ http://ur1.ca/h5j6l ] | Apr 23 10:46 | |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3970408 | Apr 23 10:46 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com reshared: []() **Debian** | Apr 23 10:46 | |
| schestowitz__ | "Black whiting. It's the derivatives that mix in non free software and betray users to owners." | Apr 23 10:46 |
| Sosumi | http://www.voltairenet.org/article30109.html | Apr 23 10:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.voltairenet.org | Skull and Bones, the Elite of the Empire | United States: The Hidden Power [ http://ur1.ca/h5ja8 ] | Apr 23 10:58 | |
| Sosumi | msb__, msb__, where are thee? ho great msb__, I present thee with the article above for thy mind to wonder | Apr 23 11:00 |
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| msb__ | Sosumi: Hi! Here I be! Thanks for that voltairenet article on US infiltration and subversion of Cuba and Venezuela! | Apr 23 11:02 |
| Sosumi | Thierry Meyssan is a kewl guy :) | Apr 23 11:03 |
| msb__ | Yes, and what a great name! This article looks very good too. There are quite a few of these societies of the rulers -- Bilderburg, Trilateral, Council on Foreign Relations, Mont Pelerin Society, etc. And probably more that we've never heard of that are totally secret. | Apr 23 11:13 |
| msb__ | ... Bohemian Grove. Some of them are said to bring in children for the members to abuse sexually. | Apr 23 11:16 |
| msb__ | I think Heinlein wrote a story about people who used psychic powers against monsters like these. Anyone remember its name? Maybe the Big Bad got compressed into spherical shape at the end? | Apr 23 11:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines CentOS 6 on the desktop: What I've learned so | Apr 23 11:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | CentOS 6 on the desktop: What I've learned so far | Tux Machines | Apr 23 11:37 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines DNF 0.5.0 Released http://t.co/vhojzL0t2N | Apr 23 11:37 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Contributions Welcome | Tux Machines | Apr 23 11:37 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | DNF 0.5.0 Released | Tux Machines | Apr 23 11:37 | |
| Sosumi | even serious? psychic powers? | Apr 23 11:40 |
| Sosumi | lol | Apr 23 11:40 |
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| Sosumi | https://twitter.com/GalileoMovement/status/458974356975022081 | Apr 23 12:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GalileoMovement: CARTOON - People paying you to stay in bed http://t.co/bVjKOfvuTm | Apr 23 12:43 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@GalileoMovement: CARTOON - People paying you to stay in bed http://t.co/bVjKOfvuTm | Apr 23 12:43 | |
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| msb__ | Sosumi: psychic powers were in a fictional story by Robert Heinlein, IIRC. But the article on Skull and Bones says it was connected with Brown Brothers Harrington, which was involved with funding the Nazis for WWII. The most important thing then, as now, for these ultra-wealthy capitalists, was to stop socialism, because organized workers will not give most of the profits to rich company owners. Hitler murdered socialists and labor | Apr 23 13:31 |
| msb__ | organizers everywhere he could find them, and, of course, attacked the USSR. | Apr 23 13:31 |
| msb__ | Harrington --> Harriman | Apr 23 13:31 |
| msb__ | http://www.theguardian.com/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar | Apr 23 13:32 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theguardian.com | How Bush's grandfather helped Hitler's rise to power | World news | The Guardian [ http://ur1.ca/gvzy9 ] | Apr 23 13:32 | |
| Sosumi | that is widely known | Apr 23 13:32 |
| msb__ | It needs to be much *more* widely known! | Apr 23 13:33 |
| Sosumi | that the american elite of the time were all pretty much in love with that despicable british creature | Apr 23 13:33 |
| Sosumi | the shicklegruber guy | Apr 23 13:33 |
| MinceR | hitler was a National Socialist. :> | Apr 23 13:34 |
| Sosumi | he was just in name | Apr 23 13:34 |
| msb__ | Hitler was NOT a socialist! That was a lie to get him accepted by the population. | Apr 23 13:34 |
| Sosumi | a true socialist makes sure the ppl are fed, clothed and punishes you when you misbehave | Apr 23 13:35 |
| msb__ | Fascism benefits wealthy owners. Socialism benefits working people. | Apr 23 13:35 |
| Sosumi | aka like a big daddy | Apr 23 13:35 |
| msb__ | Capitalist govt punishes misbehavers (pot smokers, prostitutes, etc) also. | Apr 23 13:36 |
| Sosumi | but it doesn't look after you | Apr 23 13:37 |
| Sosumi | and is based on social dawinistics | Apr 23 13:37 |
| msb__ | darwinism | Apr 23 13:37 |
| msb__ | The most powerful survive and dominate the rest. | Apr 23 13:38 |
| MinceR | that's social spencerism, darwin had nothing to do with it | Apr 23 13:39 |
| MinceR | ...or do you think that biology is a lie as well? :> | Apr 23 13:39 |
| msb__ | Maybe, but that's what people have labelled it. | Apr 23 13:39 |
| MinceR | people without any understanding of what they're talking about | Apr 23 13:39 |
| Sosumi | it is what everyone calls that | Apr 23 13:42 |
| msb__ | MinceR: Have you stopped beating your wife? | Apr 23 13:42 |
| MinceR | mu | Apr 23 13:43 |
| msb__ | Aha! A Zen Buddhist! | Apr 23 13:43 |
| cubezzz | the cake is a lie :) | Apr 23 13:43 |
| Sosumi | going by another name would only cause unnecessary discussion most of the times | Apr 23 13:43 |
| Sosumi | lol | Apr 23 13:44 |
| MinceR | not exactly | Apr 23 13:44 |
| msb__ | This is not a pipe. | Apr 23 13:44 |
| cubezzz | it will work after the next compile | Apr 23 13:44 |
| msb__ | 8^) | Apr 23 13:44 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/TrFqlZTFJO | Apr 23 13:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's leftovers | Tux Machines | Apr 23 13:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Week in Techrights http://t.co/QgpudLtrrt | Apr 23 13:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Week in Techrights | Tux Machines | Apr 23 13:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines The OnePlus One smartphone is a denim-clad $299 | Apr 23 13:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Cyanogen monster http://t.co/axnJ4PbU9H | Apr 23 13:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | The OnePlus One smartphone is a denim-clad $299 Cyanogen monster | Tux Machines | Apr 23 13:48 | |
| msb__ | I'll bet the Skulls are behind Hydra, the criminal organization that has just taken over Marvel's Agents of SHIELD (an excellent TV series, highly recommended). | Apr 23 13:54 |
| msb__ | SHIELD has an enormous VTOL aircraft, with a gorgeous Chinese woman -- played by Ming-Na Wen -- who pilots it. http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0001840/ | Apr 23 13:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.imdb.com | Ming-Na Wen - IMDb | Apr 23 13:58 | |
| Sosumi | tv is a waste of time | Apr 23 13:58 |
| msb__ | Not this show! | Apr 23 13:58 |
| msb__ | Good TV and movies stretch your mind, like dreams. | Apr 23 13:59 |
| msb__ | Encourage you to think out of the ordinary. | Apr 23 13:59 |
| Sosumi | naah | Apr 23 14:00 |
| Sosumi | tv and entertainment in general are weaponized to bring in new standards | Apr 23 14:01 |
| Sosumi | in a kind of monkey see, monkey do fashion | Apr 23 14:01 |
| msb__ | In general, maybe, but there are a few good ones. | Apr 23 14:02 |
| Sosumi | well, good then, go watch them | Apr 23 14:02 |
| Sosumi | as for me, I don't even have a tv | Apr 23 14:03 |
| msb__ | The "zombie" trend is certainly what you say. | Apr 23 14:03 |
| Sosumi | and the only movies I watch are old samurai movies from akira kurosawa | Apr 23 14:04 |
| msb__ | How about The Golden Compass, The Matrix, The Man From Earth, ... | Apr 23 14:04 |
| Sosumi | or some interesting japanese anime on the lines of ghost in the shell | Apr 23 14:04 |
| msb__ | I love that one! | Apr 23 14:05 |
| msb__ | But if you tried to give head to Kusanagi, would you chip a tooth on her titanium nethers? | Apr 23 14:06 |
| msb__ | Remember how she offerred herself to that kid in a car? | Apr 23 14:07 |
| Sosumi | I meant ghost in the shell as in the mammoru ochi's adaptation of the book | Apr 23 14:07 |
| msb__ | offered | Apr 23 14:07 |
| Sosumi | I've seen the stand alone complex animes but I hardly remember them | Apr 23 14:08 |
| msb__ | So are you talking about something different? | Apr 23 14:08 |
| msb__ | The movie? | Apr 23 14:08 |
| Sosumi | yes | Apr 23 14:08 |
| Sosumi | the 1995 movie | Apr 23 14:09 |
| Sosumi | and the sequel from 2004 | Apr 23 14:09 |
| msb__ | Woof! There's a sequel? | Apr 23 14:09 |
| Sosumi | yes | Apr 23 14:09 |
| Sosumi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oP2Pt6m3yKU | Apr 23 14:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Ghost in the Shell - trailer - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/h5kiw ] | Apr 23 14:10 | |
| Sosumi | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f1KwJfdq0gU | Apr 23 14:10 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com | Ghost in the Shell 2 - Innocence - Trailer - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/h5kj3 ] | Apr 23 14:10 | |
| msb__ | Ah. And there's also Solid State Society. | Apr 23 14:11 |
| Sosumi | yes but that one falls into the stand alone complex kind of thing | Apr 23 14:12 |
| msb__ | OK, I have both on DVDs, have to watch them again. | Apr 23 14:13 |
| cubezzz | ok, radeonfb is interesting | Apr 23 14:13 |
| cubezzz | I have a new way of fixing console problems now | Apr 23 14:14 |
| cubezzz | the documentation is rather sparse (as usual) | Apr 23 14:14 |
| cubezzz | fbset let's you manipulate the video settings used by the console | Apr 23 14:15 |
| Sosumi | http://img13.imageshack.us/img13/3999/nffk.jpg | Apr 23 14:18 |
| cubezzz | ha, I thought that said "auto-make" for a second | Apr 23 14:18 |
| cubezzz | man fb.modes actually tells one a bit about how the frame buffer works | Apr 23 14:20 |
| MinceR | :D | Apr 23 14:21 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: So does F7 actually switch you back and forth between X and FB, not just X and the console? | Apr 23 14:26 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: Could one write a program that you start in the console, and it does FB graphics? | Apr 23 14:27 |
| cubezzz | sure | Apr 23 14:27 |
| cubezzz | mplayer does that | Apr 23 14:27 |
| cubezzz | I wouldn't assume ctrl-alt-f7 toggles X and the console | Apr 23 14:28 |
| cubezzz | that's distro specific | Apr 23 14:28 |
| cubezzz | my understanding is the fb takes the text console over when loaded | Apr 23 14:29 |
| msb__ | So when mplayer plays a movie, the movie rectangle is in FB, in the middle of the X display? | Apr 23 14:30 |
| cubezzz | no, mplayer usually defaults to xv video output if you run it within X | Apr 23 14:31 |
| cubezzz | if you're in the fb, then it's smart enough to use fbdev | Apr 23 14:33 |
| msb__ | I forgot, it's ctrl-alt-Fn, n = 1 to 6, that goes to a console, and ctrl-alt-F7 that comes back to X. | Apr 23 14:34 |
| msb__ | OK, google for -- linux programming framebuffer in C -- finds lots of stuff | Apr 23 14:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Steam Updated For Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, SteamOS | Apr 23 14:38 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Google Web Designer Available For Linux | Apr 23 14:38 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Yes, you should replace Windows XP with Linux | Apr 23 14:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Steam Updated For Ubuntu 14.04 LTS, SteamOS | Tux Machines | Apr 23 14:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Google Web Designer Available For Linux | Tux Machines | Apr 23 14:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Yes, you should replace Windows XP with Linux | Tux Machines | Apr 23 14:39 | |
| cubezzz | msb__, programming the framebuffer is a throw-back to what people used to do for graphics programming | Apr 23 14:40 |
| msb__ | But I'll bet it runs faster than programming graphics in X | Apr 23 14:40 |
| msb__ | And I'll bet it's more like programming graphics in PC-DOS, which certain old farts used to be good at. | Apr 23 14:42 |
| cubezzz | you would think that but it's not true :) | Apr 23 14:42 |
| cubezzz | the framebuffer is significantly slower than accelerated X | Apr 23 14:42 |
| msb__ | Does current Linux use accelerated X? | Apr 23 14:43 |
| cubezzz | sure | Apr 23 14:43 |
| cubezzz | run glxinfo on your box | Apr 23 14:43 |
| cubezzz | near the top it should say "direct rendering: Yes" | Apr 23 14:43 |
| cubezzz | there's even acceleration for some old msdos games now via scummvm | Apr 23 14:45 |
| cubezzz | it's not quite as fast as running freedos, but it's pretty close | Apr 23 14:46 |
| msb__ | Yes it does. Had to run it thru "less". All I was seeing was the mode table. | Apr 23 14:46 |
| MinceR | xvideo tends to have video-specific acceleration | Apr 23 14:48 |
| msb__ | Here's a tutorial on programming the FB in C http://www.cnblogs.com/huqingyu/archive/2005/03/05/113634.html | Apr 23 14:51 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.cnblogs.com | Linux 2.2 Framebuffer Device Programming Tutorial - 浙林龙哥 - 博客园 [ http://ur1.ca/h5kqx ] | Apr 23 14:51 | |
| cubezzz | if I didn't care about anything except speed and it was OK for the program to take over the machine then I'd probably just use freedos | Apr 23 14:51 |
| cubezzz | you probably aren't going to use the framebuffer too much | Apr 23 14:54 |
| msb__ | So what's the best way to program 2-D graphics in C for X? Qt? | Apr 23 14:54 |
| cubezzz | well... in the old days you would learn xlib programming | Apr 23 14:55 |
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| cubezzz | later on people used motif | Apr 23 14:56 |
| MinceR | but no xt and xaw? :> | Apr 23 14:56 |
| cubezzz | nowadays it's qt, gtk, or fltk | Apr 23 14:56 |
| MinceR | qt seems to get very little use lately | Apr 23 14:57 |
| MinceR | except kde and unity, i guess | Apr 23 14:57 |
| cubezzz | motif is a higher level above xt, xaw, Xmu | Apr 23 14:57 |
| MinceR | i thought motif and xaw were competition to each other | Apr 23 14:58 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: That xrubik code you sent me uses xlib? Which is lower level than qt? | Apr 23 14:58 |
| cubezzz | msb__, yes that's pure xlib | Apr 23 14:59 |
| MinceR | xlib is the lowest level you get for x, except talking the x protocol yourself directly | Apr 23 14:59 |
| msb__ | Can xlib calls do regions, and not just dots? | Apr 23 14:59 |
| MinceR | there's also xcb, which is supposed to be an alternative to xlib | Apr 23 14:59 |
| MinceR | x does a large set of graphics primitives | Apr 23 14:59 |
| MinceR | people say it's too large :) | Apr 23 15:00 |
| cubezzz | all the libs call xcb really | Apr 23 15:00 |
| cubezzz | unless you're using something really old | Apr 23 15:00 |
| cubezzz | e.g. fc1 used xlib | Apr 23 15:03 |
| cubezzz | even xrubik uses xcb when compiled on 'modern' linux | Apr 23 15:04 |
| cubezzz | there's a diagram that explains the graphical toolkits: | Apr 23 15:04 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/graphic-toolkits.png | Apr 23 15:05 |
| msb__ | Great! That really helps. | Apr 23 15:06 |
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| cubezzz | that's not the whole story though | Apr 23 15:14 |
| cubezzz | in games we used SDL | Apr 23 15:14 |
| cubezzz | I think with SDL you can use X or the frame buffer | Apr 23 15:15 |
| cubezzz | I'll have to try that sometime | Apr 23 15:15 |
| cubezzz | ha, yeah it fails because it can't access the mouse :) | Apr 23 15:16 |
| cubezzz | looks like they dropped frame buffer support in SDL 2.0 | Apr 23 15:20 |
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| msb__ | Looks like I can program in Ruby for GTK+ and Qt4. Slower, but more fun. | Apr 23 15:27 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Apr 23 15:32 |
| MinceR | hay | Apr 23 15:33 |
| sebsebseb | MinceR: hi | Apr 23 15:34 |
| cubezzz | msb__, you might find this interesting: | Apr 23 15:40 |
| cubezzz | http://www.directfb.org | Apr 23 15:40 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.directfb.org | directfb.org | Main | Apr 23 15:40 | |
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| msb__ | cubezzz: Thanks! | Apr 23 16:11 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines U talking to me? http://t.co/DkZUkmC6K2 | Apr 23 17:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5lrx | Apr 23 17:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Canonical Is Taking Over Linux 3.13 Kernel | Apr 23 17:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Maintenance http://t.co/BDk2JfuKjy | Apr 23 17:37 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5lry | Apr 23 17:37 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | U talking to me? | Tux Machines | Apr 23 17:38 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Canonical Is Taking Over Linux 3.13 Kernel Maintenance | Tux Machines | Apr 23 17:38 | |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 23 17:41 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Raspberry Pi-like boardset packs quad-core | Apr 23 19:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | i.MX6 http://t.co/NSOAcMOrPp | Apr 23 19:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5mbh | Apr 23 19:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Raspberry Pi-like boardset packs quad-core i.MX6 | Tux Machines | Apr 23 19:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines AMD Catalyst 14.4 Brings Few Linux Performance | Apr 23 19:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Improvements http://t.co/cp0wxeAgWe | Apr 23 19:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5mbi | Apr 23 19:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | AMD Catalyst 14.4 Brings Few Linux Performance Improvements | Tux Machines | Apr 23 19:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Opera for Linux Is Still a No-Show | Apr 23 19:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/tv8E7RqDdm | Apr 23 19:23 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5mbk | Apr 23 19:23 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Opera for Linux Is Still a No-Show | Tux Machines | Apr 23 19:23 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Band releases album as Linux kernel module | Apr 23 21:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/a8J5oTUCge | Apr 23 21:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5nla | Apr 23 21:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Band releases album as Linux kernel module | Tux Machines | Apr 23 21:26 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Reading Into the Red Hat CentOS Deal | Apr 23 21:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/yStULj4hqm | Apr 23 21:26 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5nlc | Apr 23 21:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Reading Into the Red Hat CentOS Deal | Tux Machines | Apr 23 21:26 | |
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| cubezzz | man, I'm not getting any help at all | Apr 23 23:43 |
| cubezzz | the docs for the frame buffer are really out of date | Apr 23 23:44 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Hackable media-streaming speaker does HiFi with | Apr 24 03:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | tubes http://t.co/hHxnlRYjvH | Apr 24 03:21 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5raj | Apr 24 03:21 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Hackable media-streaming speaker does HiFi with tubes | Tux Machines | Apr 24 03:21 | |
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| msb__ | Wow, tubes! 12AU7 http://linuxgizmos.com/hackable-wireless-speaker-goes-hifi-with-analog-tubes/ | Apr 24 04:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxgizmos.com | Hackable media-streaming speaker does HiFi with tubes · LinuxGizmos.com [ http://ur1.ca/h5rqb ] | Apr 24 04:15 | |
| MinceR | the internet is a series of tubes. | Apr 24 04:17 |
| MinceR | geekings | Apr 24 04:17 |
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| msb__ | That's great to know! | Apr 24 04:17 |
| msb__ | But that stereo amplifier/speaker seems designed for hi-fi crazies who think they can tell the difference when they use unalloyed-copper speaker wires (or is it silver or gold, I forget). | Apr 24 04:19 |
| msb__ | The thing costs $649, but I'll bet you can get an equally good-sounding one for $100 or so. How much stereo separation can you hear with the speakers right next to each other like that, unless it's a foot from your face. And why does anybody need a Raspberry-Pi computer inside their stereo anyhow. | Apr 24 04:21 |
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| MinceR | transistors are goo enough for me | Apr 24 04:22 |
| MinceR | s/oo/ood/ | Apr 24 04:22 |
| msb__ | Yes, with the right circuitry so they don't hard-clip they should be perfect. Certainly very low noise IC amp chips are available, and cheap. | Apr 24 04:23 |
| msb__ | I thought for hi-fi (that's what we used to call it), it was the output amplifier that used tubes for a more organic sound. | Apr 24 04:25 |
| MinceR | sound cannot be organic, as it contains no carbon. :> | Apr 24 04:25 |
| msb__ | Good sound makes the dark carbon in neighboring hyperspace vibrate. | Apr 24 04:27 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 24 04:28 |
| msb__ | And if there are people listening, they exhale CO2, thus confirming, in a sense, the principle of "If a tree fell in the forest but nobody was there to hear it, does it make a sound?" Well it makes a nicer sound. | Apr 24 04:29 |
| msb__ | Unless there were birds living in it. | Apr 24 04:30 |
| msb__ | Science is complicated! | Apr 24 04:30 |
| msb__ | Hippie science even more so. | Apr 24 04:31 |
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| Sosumi | http://pando.com/2014/04/23/the-revolving-door-between-google-and-the-department-of-defense/ | Apr 24 05:15 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pando.com | The revolving door between Google and the Department of Defense | PandoDaily [ http://ur1.ca/h5s5n ] | Apr 24 05:15 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Black Lab Linux 5.0.1 Enterprise Released | Apr 24 06:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/P3iFWXnVfD | Apr 24 06:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5slc | Apr 24 06:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Kernel Song, Think Before Switching, and | Apr 24 06:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | RH RC Ready http://t.co/eA8E0f983v | Apr 24 06:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5sld | Apr 24 06:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Black Lab Linux 5.0.1 Enterprise Released | Tux Machines | Apr 24 06:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines PC-BSD Is Developing Its Own Desktop | Apr 24 06:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Environment http://t.co/K5z2BKEDwU | Apr 24 06:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Kernel Song, Think Before Switching, and RH RC Ready | Tux Machines | Apr 24 06:08 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5sle | Apr 24 06:08 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | PC-BSD Is Developing Its Own Desktop Environment | Tux Machines | Apr 24 06:08 | |
| msb__ | Sosumi: That article about Google and the Department of Death is very informative. Thanks! | Apr 24 06:19 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/23/apple-ios-osx-security-fix-criticism/ | Apr 24 07:26 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macrumors.com | Apple Leaves Users Vulnerable By Not Fixing iOS and OS X Security Issues Simultaneously - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/h5tfb ] | Apr 24 07:26 | |
| Sosumi | crapple always being slow | Apr 24 07:27 |
| msb__ | Sosumi: I just watched the Ghost in the Shell movie. Very artistic, and much more Japanese than the SAC series. | Apr 24 07:29 |
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| msb__ | Sosumi: Now I have _Innocence_ ready to go. After I've merged with it, I may not be the same msb__ that you've known... | Apr 24 08:04 |
| msb__ | The Net is vast and infinite. | Apr 24 08:05 |
| msb__ | Your effort to remain what you are is what limits you. | Apr 24 08:12 |
| Sosumi | now go watch patlabor | Apr 24 08:40 |
| Sosumi | the 1st and 2nd movie | Apr 24 08:41 |
| Sosumi | made by the same guy | Apr 24 08:41 |
| Sosumi | and after that, avalon and jin roh | Apr 24 08:41 |
| msb__ | Sosumi: Thanks! From your name it's clear you are Japanese. I'm glad you know about these things. | Apr 24 09:14 |
| Sosumi | no I'm not | Apr 24 09:14 |
| Sosumi | not even by a small amount | Apr 24 09:15 |
| msb__ | Then at least you have the Japanese quality of Sensayuma. | Apr 24 09:16 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 24 09:17 |
| Sosumi | no idea of what that means | Apr 24 09:35 |
| MinceR | sense of humor | Apr 24 09:37 |
| MinceR | not very japanese, apparently | Apr 24 09:37 |
| Sosumi | well I said I wasn't japanese, not even in the remotest sense | Apr 24 09:38 |
| MinceR | i mean, the word looks like 'sense o' humo'" | Apr 24 09:41 |
| MinceR | s/'/"/ | Apr 24 09:41 |
| Sosumi | I got it now | Apr 24 09:42 |
| Sosumi | sense of yuma as a "kewl" way of saying sense of humort | Apr 24 09:42 |
| Sosumi | *humor | Apr 24 09:42 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines China developing Linux-based OS after Windows | Apr 24 09:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | XP shutdown http://t.co/LdYRKKNP1Q | Apr 24 09:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5uju | Apr 24 09:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | China developing Linux-based OS after Windows XP shutdown | Tux Machines | Apr 24 09:50 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines US government accelerating development and | Apr 24 09:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | release of open source http://t.co/9CxVKNUwhj | Apr 24 09:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5ujv | Apr 24 09:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | US government accelerating development and release of open source | Tux Machines | Apr 24 09:50 | |
| MinceR | red flag isn't good enough anymore? | Apr 24 09:51 |
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| msb__ | Here's my favorite bit of Inuyasha -- an anime' very different from Ghost in the Shell -- which I patched together from two videos on Youtube: http://cosmicpenguin.com/rats/inuyasha--episode-26-Midoriko.avi | Apr 24 10:19 |
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| msb__ | It plays on mplayer, at least. | Apr 24 10:20 |
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| MinceR | http://sortofscientifictheories.tumblr.com/post/40481254276/why-you-should-not-clean-your-room | Apr 24 11:00 |
| DaemonFC | Errr, relationship issues..... | Apr 24 11:02 |
| DaemonFC | It would have been easier to kill the SOB and hide the body than it is to call Sprint and get my damned phone working again. LOL | Apr 24 11:02 |
| Sosumi | it is much easier to hide the body if you incinerate it | Apr 24 11:03 |
| Sosumi | but you'd need a furnace for that | Apr 24 11:03 |
| MinceR | some people mention the lye method also | Apr 24 11:04 |
| DaemonFC | I'll just go all Walter White on him and dissolve it in acid.... | Apr 24 11:05 |
| Sosumi | taht too | Apr 24 11:05 |
| DaemonFC | And nothing of value was lost that day... | Apr 24 11:05 |
| Sosumi | actually how could have I forgotten the acid method :( | Apr 24 11:05 |
| Sosumi | I guess I'm kind of a pyro anyways | Apr 24 11:06 |
| *Sosumi goes grab the flamethrower | Apr 24 11:06 | |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 24 11:06 |
| Sosumi | so how do you want them? | Apr 24 11:06 |
| Sosumi | EXTRA CRISPY! | Apr 24 11:06 |
| DaemonFC | I tried to change my phone number using the procedure on www.sprint.com | Apr 24 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | It said change number, reboot phone. | Apr 24 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | I spent 3 hours on the customer service line. At one point, they even factory wiped the phone. | Apr 24 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | I couldn't make voice calls. | Apr 24 11:08 |
| DaemonFC | Then I called another guy this morning and he said "Oh, I see the problem. You had Google Voice on your last number, and our server integration wasn't reset. The last person you spoke with should have seen that right away!" | Apr 24 11:09 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Audacious 3.5 Gets Tens New Features, | Apr 24 13:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Screenshots, Ubuntu PPA Installation | Apr 24 13:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/2hF9gJZ7zm | Apr 24 13:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5w2e | Apr 24 13:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Acer turns a corner with another big contract | Apr 24 13:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | win in 2014 http://t.co/G6VSrccVfa | Apr 24 13:17 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5w2f | Apr 24 13:17 |
| cubezzz | mangaged to fix the alignment problem switching from text console to X | Apr 24 13:23 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat Enterprise Linux 7.0 RC Benchmarks | Apr 24 14:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/24irOnmGc4 | Apr 24 14:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5wmj | Apr 24 14:07 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Amazon Web Services, Cisco, Dell, Facebook, | Apr 24 14:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Fujitsu, Google, IBM, Intel, Microsoft, NetApp, | Apr 24 14:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Rackspace, VMware ... http://t.co/7LoSfanIlm | Apr 24 14:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5wml | Apr 24 14:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Designing a Prize for Usable Cryptography | Apr 24 14:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/nn0NP6jkcl | Apr 24 14:08 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5wmm | Apr 24 14:08 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3971992 https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3971533 | Apr 24 15:27 |
| schestowitz__ | "I'm running it on my server. Coincidentally I'm sure, there's been a thread on the Fedora user ranting about how much trouble people have had with breakage on Fedora with updates. I'm not sure what to do about that. I'm discovering I'm having to take down XMPP (which I don't use much anyway) but otherwise, things are running much better than they were under CentOS." | Apr 24 15:27 |
| schestowitz__ | "Hmm, interresting, David. Are you generally more into RPM-based distros? have you tried other, non-RPM distros? if so, then what do you think about them?" | Apr 24 15:28 |
| cubezzz | fedora was OK up to fedora 14 | Apr 24 15:45 |
| cubezzz | after that it diverged too far from the original fc1 | Apr 24 15:45 |
| cubezzz | so if you were running 'old' stuff, e.g. openmotif based it had strange problems | Apr 24 15:45 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora 21 To Get A Playground, New Features | Apr 24 15:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/tXBJQA5cHW | Apr 24 15:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5xu1 | Apr 24 15:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines HP 255 G1 Laptop with Ubuntu Product | Apr 24 15:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Description http://t.co/fZxQfAqmNs | Apr 24 15:49 |
| TweetTuxMachines | ........................................ http://ur1.ca/h5xu2 | Apr 24 15:49 |
| schestowitz__ | >>> http://www.infoworld.com/d/microsoft-windows/you-want-replace-windows-xp-linux-seriously-240986 | Apr 24 16:12 |
| schestowitz__ | >>> | Apr 24 16:12 |
| schestowitz__ | >>> You've seen that one already. | Apr 24 16:12 |
| schestowitz__ | >> | Apr 24 16:12 |
| schestowitz__ | >> I linked only to a response. It's tired old FUD (always guaranteed to | Apr 24 16:12 |
| schestowitz__ | >> get lots of it) and I don't need to feed it. If it was de Icaza, I would... | Apr 24 16:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > | Apr 24 16:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > It's better that way. The response is what needs highlighting since M$ | Apr 24 16:12 |
| schestowitz__ | > will be spamming the new sites with the other stuff. | Apr 24 16:12 |
| schestowitz__ | The comments should go under the response, helping to debunk the FUD under a suitable prelude. It also rewards the debunker. | Apr 24 16:12 |
| cubezzz | ah, I don't care what infoworld says | Apr 24 16:14 |
| cubezzz | I'm not even going to read it | Apr 24 16:14 |
| cubezzz | spammy sites, heavy on javascript | Apr 24 16:16 |
| schestowitz__ | and spies on users now with twitter,FB, Google... | Apr 24 16:34 |
| schestowitz__ | "interactive" buttons on all pages | Apr 24 16:34 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3978790 | Apr 24 17:17 |
| schestowitz__ | "My 68 years old mom is using ubuntu. And with my support, i've seen 6 others change to linux over the last 2 years. And most of them use it for work on a daily basis. All of them are happy about the change and consider it to be faster and crashing less than windows. And based on my experience helping my friends, I second everything @Theaitetos said." | Apr 24 17:17 |
| schestowitz__ | "Smart Company is not so smart if they have to ask this question. Android demonstrated the answer years ago for people who had not bothered to move their desktop 15 years ago. GNU/Linux has been ready for most users for more almost 20 years." | Apr 24 17:17 |
| _Goblin | . | Apr 24 17:18 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 24 17:18 |
| schestowitz__ | My mother is 73. But she's stubborn. And like I say, she always has an excuse. | Apr 24 17:18 |
| schestowitz__ | The latest is, she doesn't keep her documents in any kind of sensible order. (Creating folders is *just* *too* *hard* I guess.) So when she attaches one to an email, she wants to look at the attachment from within the email program to make sure she attached the right document. Apparently Windows lets her do this. | Apr 24 17:18 |
| schestowitz__ | But it really doesn't matter. Even if this were fixed, she'd find another excuse. She really would. | Apr 24 17:18 |
| cubezzz | agreed, since 1994 it's been viable | Apr 24 17:18 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 24 17:18 |
| schestowitz__ | _Goblin: hey | Apr 24 17:18 |
| _Goblin | :) | Apr 24 17:18 |
| _Goblin | hi....before you notice....yes I'm using iRSSI | Apr 24 17:18 |
| _Goblin | I'm not feeling l33t btw | Apr 24 17:18 |
| _Goblin | its awful | Apr 24 17:18 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3978630 | Apr 24 17:19 |
| schestowitz__ | "That's kind of a simplification. ARM may be unfriendly to M$ but much of the firmware and drivers in the ARM ecosystem are closed sourced binary blobs. This is why you can't simply download any GNU+Linux distto and install it on the average ARM Chromebook or tablet." | Apr 24 17:19 |
| _Goblin | It's akin to trying to eat soup with a fork | Apr 24 17:19 |
| schestowitz__ | naa | Apr 24 17:20 |
| schestowitz__ | it's not for your needs | Apr 24 17:20 |
| _Goblin | I can't really see who's needs it fits... | Apr 24 17:20 |
| _Goblin | I used it years ago and now I wonder why? | Apr 24 17:20 |
| _Goblin | I've read the man pages/docs in respect of it offering something new....it doesn't/ | Apr 24 17:21 |
| _Goblin | so its an IRC client that makes things difficult from the outset and offers nothing over any of the more easy to use ones. | Apr 24 17:21 |
| cubezzz | does irssi work with gpm? | Apr 24 17:22 |
| _Goblin | it certainly looks l33t though....terminal fonts/// | Apr 24 17:22 |
| cubezzz | that might make things easier | Apr 24 17:22 |
| _Goblin | It might be easier if you could access its features without a long winded command or editing a cfg file | Apr 24 17:22 |
| _Goblin | I feel like I've typed a novel already just getting it set to what I wanted. | Apr 24 17:23 |
| cubezzz | "it was a dark and stormy night..." | Apr 24 17:23 |
| cubezzz | :) | Apr 24 17:23 |
| _Goblin | "In a distant and second hand set of dimensions, in an astral plane that was never meant to fly" | Apr 24 17:24 |
| _Goblin | BTW the closest to "it was a dark and stormy night" I've read in a book was a Raymond E Feist novel called Magician...that starts on a dark and stormy night...of sorts. | Apr 24 17:24 |
| cubezzz | I'm still studying the frame buffer | Apr 24 17:25 |
| _Goblin | Irssi - for those who miss MUD but feel they are too old for roleplay. | Apr 24 17:25 |
| abeNd-org | L.O.R.D.! | Apr 24 17:25 |
| cubezzz | X really didn't kick in until the late 80's | Apr 24 17:25 |
| cubezzz | _Goblin, you might like naim better for text only ircing | Apr 24 17:26 |
| _Goblin | but I have strange needs of an IRC client... | Apr 24 17:26 |
| _Goblin | I want to use it to er....chat.... | Apr 24 17:26 |
| MinceR | irssi is great | Apr 24 17:27 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 24 17:27 |
| _Goblin | not to make my first conversations a list of commands to the software. | Apr 24 17:27 |
| cubezzz | at least use ncurses :) | Apr 24 17:27 |
| MinceR | smart command line, good scriptability, good script management, lots of features | Apr 24 17:27 |
| _Goblin | I can do that with Xchat. | Apr 24 17:27 |
| _Goblin | and before that years ago on mIRC | Apr 24 17:28 |
| cubezzz | ugh, the dark era | Apr 24 17:28 |
| MinceR | mirc has none of those things | Apr 24 17:28 |
| _Goblin | Scripting? | Apr 24 17:28 |
| MinceR | afaik its scripts are still monolithic | Apr 24 17:28 |
| MinceR | and they use a stupid language | Apr 24 17:28 |
| cubezzz | "it was a dark and stormy era. There were windows users as far as the eye could see..." | Apr 24 17:28 |
| _Goblin | I ran a fileserver for years with script on mIRC | Apr 24 17:28 |
| _Goblin | I didn't find it stupid.... | Apr 24 17:28 |
| MinceR | and i wrote a script to add a lot of features to mirc | Apr 24 17:29 |
| MinceR | only to discover that most clients came with those features built in | Apr 24 17:29 |
| cubezzz | hold on just a sec, what about unicode support? | Apr 24 17:29 |
| MinceR | irssi has that | Apr 24 17:29 |
| MinceR | also recoding with fallback | Apr 24 17:29 |
| _Goblin | but really? this is a chat client.... | Apr 24 17:29 |
| _Goblin | to er ....chat. | Apr 24 17:29 |
| MinceR | yes, and? | Apr 24 17:30 |
| _Goblin | Are you running IRSSI? | Apr 24 17:30 |
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| MinceR | i might switch to weechat though :) | Apr 24 17:30 |
| _Goblin | and what do you use it for that you can't do with xchat> | Apr 24 17:30 |
| cubezzz | ＹＥＳ ＲＥＡＬＬＹ | Apr 24 17:31 |
| MinceR | i run it in screen and access it via ssh | Apr 24 17:31 |
| _Goblin | for example... | Apr 24 17:31 |
| MinceR | for example | Apr 24 17:31 |
| MinceR | i also get true transparency via the terminal emulator | Apr 24 17:31 |
| _Goblin | thats a fair comment. | Apr 24 17:31 |
| _Goblin | but for ease of use and afterall this is chat we are talking about, is Irssi or any other similar really needed or is it a part of history lost in the annals of new ways of working? | Apr 24 17:32 |
| MinceR | dunno | Apr 24 17:32 |
| MinceR | it probably depends on what features you require | Apr 24 17:33 |
| _Goblin | Its like the people who argue Usenet is still viable... | Apr 24 17:33 |
| _Goblin | its not. | Apr 24 17:33 |
| _Goblin | its dead except for the binaries and moody copies of films. | Apr 24 17:33 |
| cubezzz | there's still google groups, and yeah I still use that | Apr 24 17:33 |
| cubezzz | e.g. I read comp.lang.apl | Apr 24 17:33 |
| _Goblin | yeah, I've been using that recently...it miffed many people as ggroups stuffs up threads. | Apr 24 17:34 |
| _Goblin | ive a tigerusenet account, but I've not got around to setting it up on this new(ish) isntall | Apr 24 17:34 |
| _Goblin | *instal | Apr 24 17:34 |
| _Goblin | *l | Apr 24 17:34 |
| cubezzz | heck, fidonet is still active | Apr 24 17:34 |
| cubezzz | there's lots of interest in classic computing | Apr 24 17:35 |
| _Goblin | yeah...there's active and then there's just "being used" | Apr 24 17:35 |
| _Goblin | the bbs in an incarnation is still running | Apr 24 17:35 |
| _Goblin | but thats not to say you want it to be your repository of news/info | Apr 24 17:35 |
| cubezzz | some people even like the isolation that a BBS provides | Apr 24 17:35 |
| cubezzz | your own small group | Apr 24 17:36 |
| _Goblin | some people have a balloon fetish, but thats not to say its the norm. | Apr 24 17:36 |
| _Goblin | I met someone who claimed Jesus was being held at Area 51...there's a few of those..... | Apr 24 17:37 |
| MinceR | :D | Apr 24 17:37 |
| _Goblin | I can accept your liking of irssi.... | Apr 24 17:37 |
| _Goblin | I cannot understand nor accept a balloon fetish...never been able to get my head around that. | Apr 24 17:37 |
| MinceR | what's a balloon fetish? | Apr 24 17:37 |
| _Goblin | and I'm frightened of them. | Apr 24 17:37 |
| _Goblin | its er people who get er.... | Apr 24 17:38 |
| _Goblin | excited over balloons. | Apr 24 17:38 |
| cubezzz | most people use windows, you could even say using windows is the 'norm' | Apr 24 17:38 |
| _Goblin | yep. sadly it is. | Apr 24 17:38 |
| cubezzz | that doesn't mean you can't use other operating systems | Apr 24 17:39 |
| cubezzz | or irc clients :) | Apr 24 17:39 |
| _Goblin | any behaviour which can be attributed to a majority is classed as the "norm" | Apr 24 17:39 |
| MinceR | well, there's a window on the wall of my room | Apr 24 17:39 |
| MinceR | "i hate windows. i have shutters everywhere in my house." | Apr 24 17:39 |
| cubezzz | group-think is bad | Apr 24 17:40 |
| _Goblin | not always | Apr 24 17:40 |
| _Goblin | group think told ancient man to be frightened of aggressive animals with sharp teeth | Apr 24 17:40 |
| _Goblin | you didn't get a small group breaking away and trying to hug these animals. | Apr 24 17:40 |
| _Goblin | or if you did, they ended up as dinner. | Apr 24 17:41 |
| cubezzz | "all the cool kids wear nikes" | Apr 24 17:41 |
| _Goblin | thats the power of advertising, to tap into the human instinct to group think. | Apr 24 17:41 |
| cubezzz | "all the cool kids own iphones" | Apr 24 17:42 |
| _Goblin | do they? | Apr 24 17:42 |
| _Goblin | I'll make a note of that. | Apr 24 17:42 |
| _Goblin | Talking of cool kids.... | Apr 24 17:43 |
| _Goblin | Sports Yapper....sign up...its like Twitter but for sport....all the cool kids use that. | Apr 24 17:43 |
| _Goblin | and I have to say I love it... | Apr 24 17:43 |
| _Goblin | ...right...this is awful...I'm going back to xchat...fed up... | Apr 24 17:44 |
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| _Goblin | thats better... | Apr 24 17:45 |
| _Goblin | I don't feel like I'm in an 80's hacking movie anymore. | Apr 24 17:46 |
| _Goblin | tried out the latest Mame binary today....fantastic piece of work.... | Apr 24 17:47 |
| _Goblin | (collaborative work) | Apr 24 17:47 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 24 17:47 |
| _Goblin | gn. | Apr 24 17:49 |
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| msb__ | I was very grateful for irssi once. I was installing a Linux upgrade and having problems with X. I was getting help from the folks in #suse, but I couldn't restart X. So I came in using irssi in a text console. It only took a minute or two to get it running and get in. | Apr 24 19:18 |
| _Goblin | thats a fair reason too, can't argue with that. Personally if my machine was having such issues, most of the stuff I do would not be done without X....the idea to come into IRC would be last on my priorities....But I do however concede the point. | Apr 24 19:21 |
| cubezzz | funky, I can change console fonts on the fly | Apr 24 19:23 |
| cubezzz | smaller font == more lines at the same resolution :) | Apr 24 19:24 |
| _Goblin | Windlings....or something.....that was a cool font...... | Apr 24 19:25 |
| _Goblin | or rather not so much a font, a collection of symbols... | Apr 24 19:26 |
| cubezzz | I usually have at least 3 computers right next to me | Apr 24 19:27 |
| cubezzz | one computer is for experimenting | Apr 24 19:27 |
| cubezzz | one is a server, no experimenting on that one | Apr 24 19:27 |
| cubezzz | so I always have an X session at hand | Apr 24 19:28 |
| _Goblin | I'm still loving Peppermint 4....... | Apr 24 19:28 |
| cubezzz | and there's dozens and dozens of console fonts | Apr 24 19:29 |
| _Goblin | cubezzz, can't say I've ever had the need or desire to change em. | Apr 24 19:29 |
| _Goblin | mind you, whilst I like a good GUI, there's one thing I love..... | Apr 24 19:30 |
| _Goblin | the CAT command.... | Apr 24 19:30 |
| _Goblin | its probably the most damn handy command I've ever used. | Apr 24 19:30 |
| cubezzz | also one of the oldest unix commands | Apr 24 19:32 |
| cubezzz | _Goblin, some Russian dude might want a Cyrillic font | Apr 24 19:50 |
| _Goblin | Maybe..... | Apr 24 19:50 |
| _Goblin | And if we are able to clone a Pharaoh from DNA found in a pyramid they may want a hieroglyphics font.... I personally don't need them though and I'd suggest the vast majority of users don't either. When I'm installing/introducing Linux to a new user, terminal font's are not one of my "selling points." | Apr 24 19:52 |
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| _Goblin | but then its horses for courses..... | Apr 24 19:53 |
| _Goblin | I think the issue I have (and discounting the need some may have for irssi or terminal etc) is that many people merely use them to look l33t and when you challenge them as to why they use them, it transpires that its because it makes them feel more the expert by being able to still use their machine whilst making life more difficult. | Apr 24 19:55 |
| cubezzz | no, I wanted to understand the frame buffer | Apr 24 19:55 |
| _Goblin | I'm not referring to you. | Apr 24 19:55 |
| _Goblin | there is, I expect many legit needs of these "l33t" packages and the needs of the terminal, but as I say, I think many use to be leet. | Apr 24 19:56 |
| _Goblin | That is why I'm so interested about the genuine advantages people find in these things. | Apr 24 19:56 |
| _Goblin | like irssi earlier. | Apr 24 19:56 |
| _Goblin | and I can't believe nobody commented on what I thought was a great analogy to irssi..... | Apr 24 19:58 |
| _Goblin | "Irssi is like MUD for those who feel they are too old to roleplay" | Apr 24 19:58 |
| _Goblin | I'm going to tweet that. | Apr 24 19:58 |
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| cubezzz | personally I agree with you about irssi | Apr 24 20:05 |
| cubezzz | some things work much better with mouse+keyboard | Apr 24 20:07 |
| cubezzz | seldom used options in a GUI so you don't forget everything | Apr 24 20:09 |
| cubezzz | I tried rat poison once as a window manager... | Apr 24 20:11 |
| cubezzz | interesting idea, but I just didn't find it intuitive at all | Apr 24 20:11 |
| msb__ | When I used irssi during the Linux upgrade, X was working ok thru most of it, so I was getting advice using konversation. But then when I changed something involving | Apr 24 20:31 |
| msb__ | ...X, I had to go to the text console and back to X, but I couldn't. That's when I used irssi. | Apr 24 20:32 |
| cubezzz | yeah I'm in a room full of computers so I would just hop over to another computer in that case | Apr 24 20:35 |
| msb__ | That's great! I've only ever had one at a time. | Apr 24 20:36 |
| cubezzz | I can't really imagine not doing it | Apr 24 20:36 |
| cubezzz | that way IRC is always full screen and I can do research, or compile stuff on another display | Apr 24 20:37 |
| msb__ | I just use 20 virtual desktops on the one machine. | Apr 24 20:38 |
| cubezzz | I'm not one of those "matrix" guys with a 6 headed display though :) | Apr 24 20:38 |
| cubezzz | separate UPS's for each computer | Apr 24 20:38 |
| cubezzz | see, if I'm mucking around with the framebuffer or changing video driver's... it's just better to have one box that is untouched so to speak | Apr 24 20:39 |
| msb__ | That triple-header machine in the picture you showed a couple of days ago is very nice. | Apr 24 20:40 |
| msb__ | Makes total sense. | Apr 24 20:40 |
| msb__ | Mostly I just find something that works and leave it. | Apr 24 20:41 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/xmonad-tripleheader.jpg | Apr 24 20:41 |
| msb__ | That's the one. | Apr 24 20:42 |
| cubezzz | I'd rather just have three computers | Apr 24 20:43 |
| msb__ | I just have the one 27 inch display. I even gave away the last one to a neighbor. If this one quits I'd have to buy another, or at least a small one for $100 from Frys. | Apr 24 20:44 |
| msb__ | I might have an old CRT in a back room, but I don't remember if it works. | Apr 24 20:47 |
| cubezzz | yup, the CRT era is definitely over | Apr 24 20:48 |
| cubezzz | not unless you can fix old monitors | Apr 24 20:48 |
| msb__ | Man those things were heavy! | Apr 24 20:48 |
| msb__ | I used to fix TVs. But you need a schematic and a scope. | Apr 24 20:49 |
| cubezzz | indeed, some of the old tvs were super heavy | Apr 24 20:49 |
| cubezzz | some were over 500 pounds | Apr 24 20:49 |
| cubezzz | CRTs scared me a bit though, I was never comfortable with the case open | Apr 24 20:50 |
| msb__ | Big screen --> big vacuum --> thick walls on the bottle. | Apr 24 20:51 |
| msb__ | Keeping one hand in a pocket helps. Also grounding the 25KV anode through a resistor. | Apr 24 20:52 |
| msb__ | The thing is a big Leyden jar. It can whack you. | Apr 24 20:53 |
| cubezzz | speaking from experience? :) | Apr 24 20:53 |
| msb__ | Fortunately not. | Apr 24 20:53 |
| msb__ | I did get my hand across a 4KV capacitor once. Smelled like burned chicken. | Apr 24 20:54 |
| cubezzz | I've had some CRTs last over 30 years, it will be interesting to see how long my LCD's last | Apr 24 20:54 |
| cubezzz | yikes | Apr 24 20:54 |
| msb__ | Just the one hand. Where it gets you is if it goes through the chest and hits the heart. | Apr 24 20:55 |
| msb__ | Hence the one hand in a pocket. | Apr 24 20:56 |
| msb__ | But with a CRT, you just connect one end of a known-tested-good cliplead with a resistor to the chassis, and the other to a screwdriver with a long plastic handle, and dig the blade under the rubber boot to the second-anode connection. | Apr 24 20:59 |
| msb__ | That only requires one hand. 8^) | Apr 24 20:59 |
| msb__ | Of course you unplug the thing from the wall first. | Apr 24 21:00 |
| msb__ | You're more likely to injure your back lifting it! | Apr 24 21:01 |
| msb__ | I made a 10X probe for my VTVM out of a plexiglas tube and a string of 10meg resistors. So I could check the second anode with that. I could even measure the voltage while it was running. | Apr 24 21:03 |
| msb__ | Maybe it was 20X, I forget now. | Apr 24 21:04 |
| msb__ | The Franklin Institute had a Marx generator with big capacitors that charged in parallel and discharged in series, creating a lightning bolt. Very loud! | Apr 24 21:06 |
| cubezzz | ever play around with a jacob's ladder? | Apr 24 21:06 |
| msb__ | Yep. I still have the neon sign transformer. | Apr 24 21:07 |
| cubezzz | I always wondered what those things were for :) | Apr 24 21:07 |
| cubezzz | aside from looking cool in movies | Apr 24 21:07 |
| msb__ | Yeah, other than bringing monsters to life I can't think of anything. | Apr 24 21:08 |
| cubezzz | neon signs have pretty much disappeared haven't they? | Apr 24 21:08 |
| msb__ | It's alive! It's alive! | Apr 24 21:08 |
| msb__ | I guess so. There are fake neon signs using LEDs now. | Apr 24 21:09 |
| cubezzz | well, I'm not that old but I do collect photographs of Toronto | Apr 24 21:09 |
| cubezzz | it seems that in the 60s to 70s most of the neon stuff disappeared | Apr 24 21:10 |
| msb__ | I'll bet there's at least one left in Greater Metropolitan Downtown Mountain View here -- all 4 blocks of it. Chinese restaurants often had them, maybe still. | Apr 24 21:11 |
| cubezzz | this one's a pretty good example of the era: | Apr 24 21:13 |
| msb__ | I have two refrigerator pumps that I used to connect in series and made a good enough vacuum that I could get a glow discharge. | Apr 24 21:13 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/a-and-a-sams-edison-hotel.jpg | Apr 24 21:13 |
| msb__ | Very nice! | Apr 24 21:14 |
| cubezzz | ah, it's kind of a pity, the edison hotel is no more | Apr 24 21:15 |
| cubezzz | much older shot, maybe 1950s, around that era: | Apr 24 21:19 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/edison-hotel-much-older.jpg | Apr 24 21:19 |
| msb__ | Is that a transmitter mast on its roof, or is it farther back? | Apr 24 21:20 |
| msb__ | Anyhow it looks like a medieval castle. | Apr 24 21:21 |
| cubezzz | it's pretty old | Apr 24 21:21 |
| cubezzz | built in 1888, originall called the Empress Hotel | Apr 24 21:22 |
| msb__ | I like that name better. Edison was a jerk. | Apr 24 21:23 |
| cubezzz | http://www.maxhost.org/other/edison-hotel-ancient.jpg | Apr 24 21:23 |
| cubezzz | I think that's the oldest picture | Apr 24 21:23 |
| cubezzz | yeah, if you look closely you can see "Empress Hotel" | Apr 24 21:24 |
| cubezzz | oh and it's on the top part too | Apr 24 21:26 |
| msb__ | Yes, I can see both. I wonder if the top one was ever a neon sign. | Apr 24 21:26 |
| msb__ | It's a beautiful old building. A shame it's gone. | Apr 24 21:27 |
| cubezzz | it wasn't at the top, but it did have a trapezoidal neon sign facing north | Apr 24 21:29 |
| msb__ | Things change. Mostly to make money. But here in GNU/Linux/FOSS-Land, it's for love! | Apr 24 21:29 |
| cubezzz | I get paid for linux jobs :) | Apr 24 21:29 |
| msb__ | Very good! | Apr 24 21:30 |
| cubezzz | yeah, it's a bit more common now | Apr 24 21:30 |
| msb__ | So did you ever make a Tesla coil? I kept thinking about it but never did. However, I did have a Model-T ignition coil. | Apr 24 21:34 |
| msb__ | Also kept scoping out round metal things to use as the terminal of a Van de Graaff. | Apr 24 21:36 |
| cubelog | no, never | Apr 24 21:40 |
| cubelog | had to change computers | Apr 24 21:40 |
| msb__ | I had a tunnel diode and made some kind of circuit with it -- a VHF transmitter or receiver, maybe both at once. 8^ | Apr 24 21:40 |
| msb__ | I would override the audio when my parents were watching TV (just once or twice). Tapped the phone line too. | Apr 24 21:42 |
| cubelog | I had a pretty nice VHF antenna, I could get Buffalo radio no problem | Apr 24 21:42 |
| cubelog | it got replaced with a new UHF antenna so now it's FM range seems a lot worse | Apr 24 21:43 |
| msb__ | I used to listen to Barry Farber from New York in Philadelphia -- 90 miles. Don't remember if it was AM or FM. | Apr 24 21:44 |
| cubelog | no AM cards for computers, too much interference | Apr 24 21:45 |
| cubelog | eh, almost everyone streams on the net now anyways | Apr 24 21:45 |
| msb__ | If Art Bell were still on the air C2C would be worth listening to. His guests often prophesied terrible natural catastrophes. That never happened. It was fun. | Apr 24 21:49 |
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| amarsh04 | My picture of Asimo from 2012: http://www.madman.com.au/fanzone/display/68188.img | Apr 25 01:41 |
| MinceR | http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2014-04-24/obama-signs-law-banning-himself-entering-us | Apr 25 02:20 |
| Sosumi | I'm not sure if I should be laughing my ars off | Apr 25 02:23 |
| Sosumi | or just facepalm myself | Apr 25 02:23 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 25 02:23 |
| Sosumi | ho and today marks the 99th birthday of the armenian genocide | Apr 25 02:25 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Red Hat, Fedora, & CentOS - and More | Apr 25 03:18 |
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| MinceR | geekings | Apr 25 04:35 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3979060 | Apr 25 04:37 |
| schestowitz__ | "I'm just guessing the PCWorld story points out that scanning the email is part of Google's business plan. Encryption would defeat this. But I'm just guessing." | Apr 25 04:37 |
| schestowitz__ | IDG likes to prop up Microsoft's "Scroogled" attack ads | Apr 25 04:38 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3979026 | Apr 25 04:39 |
| schestowitz__ | "10+ Icavot | Apr 25 04:39 |
| MinceR | idg serves m$ | Apr 25 04:40 |
| MinceR | always did | Apr 25 04:40 |
| schestowitz__ | IDC paid by Microsoft | Apr 25 04:41 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3979622 | Apr 25 04:49 |
| schestowitz__ | "Wait, is the US not going to Ukraine to fight for the democracy and freedom?" | Apr 25 04:49 |
| MinceR | afaik it's not decided yet | Apr 25 04:50 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Unlocking Chromebooks will soon get simpler | Apr 25 05:03 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines R600 Gallium3D Lands Many OpenGL Fixes | Apr 25 05:03 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Does Linux Mint exist? http://t.co/gkQCAvBAwE | Apr 25 05:04 |
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| schestowitz__ | LOL http://dailycurrant.com/2014/03/07/ukraine-deploys-gay-men-to-scare-off-russians/ | Apr 25 05:56 |
| schestowitz__ | adding insult to fake injury... http://d2tq98mqfjyz2l.cloudfront.net/image_cache/1398413524344961_animate.gif | Apr 25 05:57 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Trusty Tahr: More Yawns, More Polish | Apr 25 05:57 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines New course to cater to Linux newbies | Apr 25 05:57 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 9-Way April 2014 Linux Distribution Benchmarks | Apr 25 05:57 |
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| MinceR | lol @ dailycurrant | Apr 25 06:26 |
| schestowitz__ | https://twitter.com/peterfriese/status/459643617683193856 | Apr 25 06:42 |
| schestowitz__ | Microsoft's booster Tony Bradley: http://www.forbes.com/sites/tonybradley/2014/04/24/the-case-for-making-windows-xp-open-source-and-why-its-a-bad-idea/ | Apr 25 06:44 |
| schestowitz__ | Why are they giving MS boosters blogs? | Apr 25 06:44 |
| schestowitz__ | http://www.eetimes.com/messages.asp?piddl_msgthreadid=44816&piddl_msgid=297485 | Apr 25 06:49 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Gnome 3.14 Stable Will Be Released In September | Apr 25 08:36 |
| TweetTuxMachines | 2014, Coming With Both Better Wayland Support | Apr 25 08:36 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Mozilla Names Andreas Gal New CTO | Apr 25 08:36 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Open Source: Getting Angry, Getting Better | Apr 25 08:36 |
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| msb__ | The Daily Currant is a joke site; its stories are fictional. But gays are one of the groups that Nazis -- like those that have overthrown the elected government of Ukraine with US help -- seek to exterminate, along with Romany, socialists, the elderly, and of course Jews. | Apr 25 09:04 |
| Sosumi | gays, jews and ethnical minorities | Apr 25 09:05 |
| Sosumi | and of course, russians | Apr 25 09:05 |
| Sosumi | because according princess leia | Apr 25 09:06 |
| Sosumi | *cough* yulia tymochenk* | Apr 25 09:06 |
| Sosumi | gotta bomb dam russians | Apr 25 09:06 |
| Sosumi | *according to | Apr 25 09:07 |
| Sosumi | it used to be fun to ridicularize north korean leaders | Apr 25 09:08 |
| Sosumi | but with those ukranian characters things have finally gone into the twilight zone | Apr 25 09:09 |
| msb__ | Nazis consider Russians to be Slavic untermenschen, but the main reason for attacking them is that they were (and to some extent still are) socialist. Hitler's Nazis were paid to exterminate socialists and trade-union organizers -- paid by the ultra-wealthy in the US, and to some extent Germany and England. | Apr 25 09:10 |
| Sosumi | well | Apr 25 09:10 |
| Sosumi | and what are the ukranians? | Apr 25 09:10 |
| Sosumi | other than a mix slavs and polish | Apr 25 09:10 |
| Sosumi | *of | Apr 25 09:10 |
| msb__ | Hitler was not exactly a blond Aryan himself! | Apr 25 09:11 |
| Sosumi | no | Apr 25 09:11 |
| msb__ | http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis | Apr 25 09:12 |
| Sosumi | and by that demagogy, putin is more aryan than hitler or ratseniuk or princess leya | Apr 25 09:12 |
| Sosumi | did you know yulia tymochenko isn't blond at all? | Apr 25 09:12 |
| MinceR | > its stories are fictional. | Apr 25 09:13 |
| MinceR | http://i2.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/666/_57c8a1a431a592af806925e57258202f.png | Apr 25 09:13 |
| Sosumi | she just dyes her air | Apr 25 09:13 |
| Sosumi | *hair | Apr 25 09:13 |
| MinceR | poles are slavs | Apr 25 09:13 |
| Sosumi | and no no | Apr 25 09:13 |
| msb__ | Please don't call her leya. Princess Leia was a wonderful person! | Apr 25 09:13 |
| Sosumi | hitler was put there by london in order to break up the soviet union | Apr 25 09:14 |
| Sosumi | he just turned west before going east | Apr 25 09:14 |
| MinceR | also, russian homophobia is not fictional | Apr 25 09:14 |
| Sosumi | because it was never to their conception that the blochviks thẽy had financed earlier would keep russia intact | Apr 25 09:15 |
| Sosumi | so in russia, they're afraid of men? | Apr 25 09:15 |
| Sosumi | homophobia = fear of men | Apr 25 09:15 |
| msb__ | I don't know why he attacked England, but he certainly invaded Russia and murdered about 20 million people. | Apr 25 09:15 |
| MinceR | possibly | Apr 25 09:15 |
| MinceR | but they're certainly afraid of homosexuals | Apr 25 09:16 |
| msb__ | Putin does seem to have a fear of Pussy. | Apr 25 09:16 |
| MinceR | just like nazis | Apr 25 09:16 |
| MinceR | yeah, that too | Apr 25 09:16 |
| Sosumi | the pussy riot demagogues entered into a church and started trashing the place | Apr 25 09:17 |
| msb__ | Are the Russians anti-gay? That Currant story is a fake, a parody, remember. | Apr 25 09:17 |
| Sosumi | what else would be done but to hold those not band at all idiots for vandalism | Apr 25 09:17 |
| MinceR | i haven't heard of trashing the place | Apr 25 09:17 |
| MinceR | who came up with that? | Apr 25 09:18 |
| Sosumi | ho but I've hears | Apr 25 09:18 |
| MinceR | msb__: remember what they did under the winter olympics. | Apr 25 09:18 |
| msb__ | What? | Apr 25 09:19 |
| Sosumi | what did they do? | Apr 25 09:19 |
| Sosumi | toothpaste bombs? | Apr 25 09:20 |
| MinceR | discriminated against gays, accused them of spreading "gay propaganda" | Apr 25 09:20 |
| MinceR | threatened them | Apr 25 09:20 |
| msb__ | Pussy Riot attacked gays??? | Apr 25 09:20 |
| Sosumi | but where have you heard that? | Apr 25 09:20 |
| Sosumi | BBC? CNN? | Apr 25 09:20 |
| MinceR | msb__: no, the russian government did | Apr 25 09:21 |
| msb__ | Wiki says inside the church, but no mention of trashing. | Apr 25 09:21 |
| MinceR | Sosumi: i can't remember | Apr 25 09:21 |
| MinceR | multiple sources | Apr 25 09:21 |
| Sosumi | http://www.takepart.com/sites/default/files/pussy%20riot.jpeg | Apr 25 09:21 |
| Sosumi | http://www.redletterchristians.org/wp-content/uploads/Pussy-Riot-and-the-Temple-Incident.jpg | Apr 25 09:22 |
| Sosumi | http://s00.yaplakal.com/pics/pics_original/3/6/6/67663.jpg | Apr 25 09:22 |
| MinceR | i see no "trashing" or "vandalism" here | Apr 25 09:22 |
| Sosumi | looks good to me | Apr 25 09:22 |
| msb__ | The masks are very unattractive. | Apr 25 09:22 |
| MinceR | so's christianity. | Apr 25 09:22 |
| msb__ | True, but PR wears those masks all the time. | Apr 25 09:23 |
| Sosumi | truly, examples of high morals | Apr 25 09:23 |
| MinceR | it's easy to have higher morals than those of abrahamic religions. | Apr 25 09:23 |
| Sosumi | the problem is | Apr 25 09:23 |
| Sosumi | with all religions | Apr 25 09:23 |
| msb__ | Wicca and Buddhism are good. | Apr 25 09:24 |
| Sosumi | there is one religion for the profane aka non initiated into the mysteries | Apr 25 09:24 |
| Sosumi | and another for the initiated | Apr 25 09:24 |
| Sosumi | what you read is nothing but the profane version of religion | Apr 25 09:24 |
| Sosumi | for the stupid | Apr 25 09:24 |
| MinceR | is that like the lower vs higher levels of scientology? | Apr 25 09:24 |
| Sosumi | no idea about scientology | Apr 25 09:25 |
| MinceR | they're pretty explicit about hiding higher-level details of the cult from outsiders and fresh initiates | Apr 25 09:25 |
| MinceR | ("don't read it yet or you will die"/copyright abuse) | Apr 25 09:25 |
| Sosumi | lol | Apr 25 09:26 |
| msb__ | The actual higher level of scientology is just pure racketeering. | Apr 25 09:26 |
| MinceR | most cults are like that, afaict | Apr 25 09:26 |
| Sosumi | forget scientology | Apr 25 09:26 |
| MinceR | "give us more power and money or you're going to hell" | Apr 25 09:26 |
| msb__ | The war with scientology was one of the great battles that took place on the Net. In alt.religion.scientology | Apr 25 09:27 |
| Sosumi | and look at the old cults of which aristotle, plato, cicero, aristophanes, pythagoras used to belong to | Apr 25 09:27 |
| Sosumi | in those cults there was idol worship for the profane | Apr 25 09:27 |
| Sosumi | and the fears of a dark and vindicative god | Apr 25 09:27 |
| Sosumi | while the initiated dedicated themselves to the study of physics, mathematics | Apr 25 09:27 |
| msb__ | Others are the Intel 386 floating-point bug and 9/11. | Apr 25 09:27 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 25 09:28 |
| Sosumi | in truth, there is no god | Apr 25 09:28 |
| Sosumi | only the pursuit of knowledge, virtue and a the amelioration of man's condition here | Apr 25 09:29 |
| msb__ | The fascists/corporatists must sorely regret the introduction of the Internet. The current elimination of Net Neutrality is one way they're fighting back against us. | Apr 25 09:30 |
| MinceR | Sosumi: so, what's the part of abrahamic religions for the initiated? where is it? | Apr 25 09:30 |
| MinceR | msb__: they're "fixing" it already | Apr 25 09:30 |
| MinceR | not just via eliminating Net Neutrality | Apr 25 09:30 |
| Sosumi | in the priesthood | Apr 25 09:30 |
| msb__ | MinceR: How else? | Apr 25 09:31 |
| MinceR | also via national firewalls (and other means of government censorship) and global surveillance | Apr 25 09:31 |
| MinceR | also, harmful laws | Apr 25 09:31 |
| MinceR | Sosumi: is it written down or is it communicated orally? | Apr 25 09:31 |
| MinceR | hm, that's not well-defined enough for the priesthood | Apr 25 09:32 |
| MinceR | i mean, do they just say it to each other? | Apr 25 09:32 |
| Sosumi | they kept it for each other | Apr 25 09:32 |
| MinceR | Sosumi: have you heard what it is? | Apr 25 09:33 |
| Sosumi | and as part of their initiation they were forbidden to spread that knowledge | Apr 25 09:33 |
| MinceR | how do you know it exists? | Apr 25 09:33 |
| msb__ | The Vatican robbed various libraries in the Middle Ages, but I doubt they have much that isn't common knowledge these days. | Apr 25 09:34 |
| Sosumi | why do you think socrates was made to drink the hemlock juice | Apr 25 09:34 |
| MinceR | i don't know, but i'm pretty sure he wasn't an abrahamic priest | Apr 25 09:34 |
| Sosumi | ab-raam | Apr 25 09:34 |
| MinceR | judaism, christianity, islam | Apr 25 09:35 |
| Sosumi | you're just mentioned a religious doctrine that got perfected during the age of the ram | Apr 25 09:35 |
| msb__ | For the same reason truth-tellers get chased out of nine villages. People want to shut up sources that tell them things contrary to their beliefs. It's part of the memetic defense mechanism in dominator culture. | Apr 25 09:36 |
| Sosumi | no idea why the hate | Apr 25 09:36 |
| Sosumi | why not hate its predecessors? | Apr 25 09:36 |
| Sosumi | the cult semiranis and nimrod? | Apr 25 09:37 |
| MinceR | what's the age of the ram? | Apr 25 09:37 |
| Sosumi | isis and osiris? odin and frrea | Apr 25 09:37 |
| Sosumi | the ages are measured in the procession of the equinoxes | Apr 25 09:38 |
| Sosumi | for example, christianity appeared during the age of pices | Apr 25 09:38 |
| Sosumi | that was why yeshua was called the fisherman of man | Apr 25 09:38 |
| Sosumi | now we are under the age of aqurious | Apr 25 09:39 |
| Sosumi | seems to me like someone needs to go study some astronomy | Apr 25 09:39 |
| MinceR | afaik this has nothing to do with astronomy | Apr 25 09:39 |
| Sosumi | ho it has | Apr 25 09:39 |
| msb__ | Hating is a pointless waste of energy. But it's important to spread the truth that the JCI (abrahamic) religions are very harmful to people. They all have a genocidal psychopath god, and are male-supremacist. | Apr 25 09:40 |
| MinceR | astrology is not astronomy | Apr 25 09:40 |
| Sosumi | astrology is again something of the profane | Apr 25 09:40 |
| MinceR | astronomy is not a religion | Apr 25 09:40 |
| msb__ | http://www.evilbible.com/ | Apr 25 09:40 |
| Sosumi | filled with nothing more than mysticism | Apr 25 09:40 |
| Sosumi | but you could explain the cycles through allegories | Apr 25 09:41 |
| Sosumi | and it was to the initiated to understand the true meaning | Apr 25 09:41 |
| Sosumi | aka lifting the veil | Apr 25 09:41 |
| MinceR | if you understand them, you can explain them without allegories | Apr 25 09:41 |
| Sosumi | exactly | Apr 25 09:42 |
| Sosumi | the battle between osiris and typhon was nothing more than cycle between night and day | Apr 25 09:42 |
| Sosumi | the arc of the convenant was nothing more than tracing a line between from where the sun rises to where the sun sets | Apr 25 09:43 |
| MinceR | not ignorant people's feeble attempt to explain why there was a night/day cycle? | Apr 25 09:43 |
| Sosumi | the virgin clothed with the sun | Apr 25 09:43 |
| Sosumi | is nothing more than the sun in the constallation of the virgin | Apr 25 09:43 |
| Sosumi | and so on | Apr 25 09:43 |
| Sosumi | it is all allegories | Apr 25 09:44 |
| Sosumi | hey the 12 apostles | Apr 25 09:44 |
| Sosumi | and yeshua | Apr 25 09:45 |
| Sosumi | nothing more than the 12 months and the sun going through them | Apr 25 09:45 |
| msb__ | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kjxSCAalsBE | Apr 25 09:47 |
| Sosumi | so it is much better to cast away the superstition and mysticism of whatever religion away | Apr 25 09:47 |
| *MinceR wonders what the bots are doing | Apr 25 09:47 | |
| msb__ | Bilkbot: The 5th Dimension Age of Aquarius 1969 | Apr 25 09:47 |
| MinceR | :D | Apr 25 09:48 |
| Sosumi | including the mocking of it, because it is a waste of time and instead you should pity the poor fools for not knowing better | Apr 25 09:48 |
| MinceR | i pity da foo | Apr 25 09:48 |
| msb__ | One of the great songs of the '60s Renaissance! | Apr 25 09:49 |
| Sosumi | I doubt it beat Tchaikovsky's 4th symphony | Apr 25 09:49 |
| Sosumi | which is also my favourite song | Apr 25 09:50 |
| msb__ | Competition among various good things is silly. There is an infinite variety. | Apr 25 09:52 |
| Sosumi | actually | Apr 25 09:52 |
| Sosumi | not according to Rockafeller | Apr 25 09:52 |
| Sosumi | :) | Apr 25 09:52 |
| msb__ | Psychic phenomena have been proven to exist, so it's possible that there's a psychic connection among the conscious species of the Universe. This would be a sort of god, like the Net forms a sort of global mind on Earth. | Apr 25 09:55 |
| msb__ | But it sure wouldn't be the evil Jehovah. | Apr 25 09:56 |
| Sosumi | jehova is a just and aspect of zoroastrianism | Apr 25 09:56 |
| Sosumi | *just an aspect | Apr 25 09:56 |
| msb__ | Did the Z god demand genital mutilation and subjugation of women? | Apr 25 09:57 |
| Sosumi | actually all he demanded was do unto others as you would like to be done to yourself | Apr 25 09:57 |
| Sosumi | aka the golden rule | Apr 25 09:57 |
| Sosumi | same went with confuncious | Apr 25 09:58 |
| msb__ | Well then, any derivation of jehovah from zoroastrianism is irrelevant. The Z god was good (beneficial), J was/is evil (harmful). | Apr 25 09:59 |
| Sosumi | genital mutilation aka circumcision was required to join the mysteries in Egypt | Apr 25 09:59 |
| Sosumi | as for the subjugation of women, well if it is patriarchal society what else would you expect | Apr 25 10:00 |
| MinceR | he also contradicted the "golden rule" | Apr 25 10:00 |
| Sosumi | no | Apr 25 10:00 |
| msb__ | It is JCI religion that *creates* patriarchal society. | Apr 25 10:00 |
| Sosumi | during those times the definitions of freedom were much different from what they are now | Apr 25 10:01 |
| MinceR | i would expect that people today don't proclaim the barbaric beliefs of an ancient society as eternal and perfect values. | Apr 25 10:01 |
| MinceR | and yet you can see what happens. | Apr 25 10:01 |
| Sosumi | since we are talking before common era | Apr 25 10:01 |
| msb__ | As Michael Parenti said, "There is one group of people that have always opposed and spoken out against slavery. They were called 'slaves'." | Apr 25 10:02 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 25 10:03 |
| Sosumi | actually, comparing the definitions of freedom from back in those days | Apr 25 10:03 |
| Sosumi | all you have too look is at saudi arabia and some parts of india | Apr 25 10:04 |
| Sosumi | and imagine it more brutish and miserable | Apr 25 10:04 |
| msb__ | I think the definition of "freedom" has been the same for thousands of years, because peoples' feelings when dominated have not changed. | Apr 25 10:04 |
| Sosumi | so no point in lambasting at the old folks from the times when egypt was fertile and chaldea the center of the world | Apr 25 10:06 |
| MinceR | i'm not lambasting them, i'm lambasting the ones who pretend nothing changed since then | Apr 25 10:07 |
| MinceR | and that nothing should ever change since then | Apr 25 10:07 |
| Sosumi | then KSA is that way -> | Apr 25 10:08 |
| Sosumi | :) | Apr 25 10:08 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, those people are not concentrated in KSA | Apr 25 10:08 |
| Sosumi | even iran and syria have evolved much better | Apr 25 10:08 |
| Sosumi | and if not for the sanctions and isolation | Apr 25 10:09 |
| MinceR | for example, the hungarian dictator is a christian fundamentalist | Apr 25 10:09 |
| msb__ | Read _The Chalice and the Blade_ by Riane Eisler. I hear it can even be found in the naughty place. | Apr 25 10:09 |
| Sosumi | it would open itself more to the new and better | Apr 25 10:09 |
| MinceR | and you pretty much can't have a political career in the usa if you're not openly fundie | Apr 25 10:09 |
| Sosumi | instead of being kind of closed into themselves | Apr 25 10:09 |
| MinceR | and of course the russian government is also entangled with a cult | Apr 25 10:09 |
| MinceR | apparently they replaced communism with a christian sect | Apr 25 10:10 |
| msb__ | which? | Apr 25 10:10 |
| MinceR | i'll look it up | Apr 25 10:11 |
| MinceR | russian orthodox | Apr 25 10:11 |
| msb__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Easter_Festival_Overture 1888 | Apr 25 10:13 |
| msb__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Church looks like it became the standard Russian religion starting around 1650. | Apr 25 10:18 |
| MinceR | sure, but communism took over for a while | Apr 25 10:18 |
| MinceR | along with a cult of personality (cults? personalities?) | Apr 25 10:18 |
| msb__ | Yes, I just meant that Putin's "sect" was just regular old Russian christianity, not something unusual. | Apr 25 10:19 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 25 10:20 |
| msb__ | Also, regarding communism being a cult, the same factors affected Bolshevism as affected North Korea. The USSR was invaded by troops from several capitalist nations immediately after the revolution, and millions of Russians were murdered. Years later, the Nazis, financed by the US and other nations ultra-wealthy capitalists, invaded Russia and murdered 20,000,000 people. These traumas caused the people to accept Stalinism for | Apr 25 10:24 |
| msb__ | protection. | Apr 25 10:24 |
| MinceR | well, it didn't protect them | Apr 25 10:26 |
| msb__ | It protected them to an extent, and the Russian military bravely fought the Nazi invaders and defeated them. | Apr 25 10:27 |
| MinceR | and killed plenty of their own | Apr 25 10:27 |
| MinceR | and kept most of the rest in squalor | Apr 25 10:28 |
| msb__ | That was the psychopathy of Stalinism, brought on by the previous trauma. | Apr 25 10:28 |
| msb__ | The russians were living in the mud before the bolsheviks pushed rapid industrialization. | Apr 25 10:29 |
| msb__ | They got a satellite up before we did! | Apr 25 10:29 |
| MinceR | and then they continued to live in the mud | Apr 25 10:30 |
| msb__ | Concrete apartment buildings. | Apr 25 10:30 |
| msb__ | not mud | Apr 25 10:30 |
| MinceR | ooh, something worse than mud | Apr 25 10:30 |
| MinceR | concrete boxes that they claimed were habitable | Apr 25 10:30 |
| MinceR | i know those all too well. | Apr 25 10:30 |
| msb__ | A huge advance in technology and industrialization in a few decades. | Apr 25 10:32 |
| MinceR | which would have been much greater, were it not for the communists | Apr 25 10:32 |
| msb__ | It didn't happen in other primitive nations. The communists focussed effort/energy on technology and industrialization. That didn't happen under capitalism with nearly as much speed, because it didn't make a profit (at first). | Apr 25 10:35 |
| MinceR | yet market economies turned out to be much more sustainable | Apr 25 10:36 |
| MinceR | and did much better | Apr 25 10:36 |
| MinceR | while the russian empire crumbled and lost its grip on its satellite states. | Apr 25 10:36 |
| msb__ | You're mixing various very different topics here. England also lost its empire. And we can see that the US empire is creating nothing but millions of deaths. | Apr 25 10:37 |
| MinceR | afaik most colony empires (including much of that of england) were given up voluntarily | Apr 25 10:38 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Getting started with Linux | Apr 25 10:40 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @BigDickStallman @tuxmachines When will you peons learn? It's | Apr 25 10:40 |
| TweetTuxMachines | called GNU/Linux, NOT Linux. | Apr 25 10:40 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.macrumors.com/2014/04/25/iphone6-renders-curved-display-rounded-corners/ | Apr 25 12:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.macrumors.com | New iPhone 6 Renderings Highlight Curved Display, Rounded Corners - Mac Rumors [ http://ur1.ca/h6e90 ] | Apr 25 12:00 | |
| Sosumi | http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_galaxy_s5-pictures-6033.php | Apr 25 12:00 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gsmarena.com | Samsung Galaxy S5 pictures, official photos [ http://ur1.ca/h6e99 ] | Apr 25 12:01 | |
| Sosumi | spot the differences | Apr 25 12:01 |
| Sosumi | I can start by saying that both look like crap | Apr 25 12:01 |
| Sosumi | and that samsung has employed that kind of design since the days of pocket pc 6 | Apr 25 12:02 |
| Sosumi | htc kind of too | Apr 25 12:02 |
| Sosumi | rounded corners were present on the htc tytn2 | Apr 25 12:02 |
| Sosumi | so who's gona sue now? | Apr 25 12:03 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines We’re a partner in the industrialization of IT, | Apr 25 12:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | says Red Hat CEO | #RHSummit | Apr 25 12:28 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Top Ten Steam for Linux Best-Selling List – | Apr 25 12:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Rust Is the King http://t.co/0BGW5jkzWK | Apr 25 12:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | We’re a partner in the industrialization of IT, says Red Hat CEO | #RHSummit | Tux Machines | Apr 25 12:28 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Top Ten Steam for Linux Best-Selling List – Rust Is the King | Tux Machines | Apr 25 12:28 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cubuntu Is Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Remastered with | Apr 25 12:28 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Cinnamon and GNOME Classic | Apr 25 12:28 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Cubuntu Is Ubuntu 14.04 LTS Remastered with Cinnamon and GNOME Classic | Tux Machines | Apr 25 12:28 | |
| gde33 | I sill dont get net neutrality. The arguments seem hooked on a nice philosophy that is not practished by those told to preach it. | Apr 25 12:58 |
| gde33 | The way I see it, when the web started everyone made homepages, some grew bigger, some just had a donation button. | Apr 25 12:58 |
| gde33 | A tiny percentage started a sort of ponzi business. | Apr 25 12:59 |
| gde33 | what successful websites did wasn't so important | Apr 25 12:59 |
| gde33 | it was what unsuccessful ones did. | Apr 25 12:59 |
| gde33 | they just pulled the plug when the visitors didnt come anymore | Apr 25 12:59 |
| gde33 | at first everyone had traffic and goodwill worth thousands of bucks in the old ecconomy. | Apr 25 13:00 |
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| gde33 | then slowly everyone went to big websites facebook, ars, hackers news, etc | Apr 25 13:01 |
| gde33 | now everyone is a corporate fanboy and they will cry about you even having a personal homepage, you weirdo! | Apr 25 13:01 |
| gde33 | Corporations that dont have to pay anything for their infrastructure, because that is the most neutral way of doing things? lol? | Apr 25 13:02 |
| gde33 | We've already assumed the postion of corporate slavery, net neutrality isn't going to save you from it. | Apr 25 13:03 |
| gde33 | I think the opposite, if all the entertainment is moved into containment we can finally be serious about things | Apr 25 13:04 |
| gde33 | I wouldnt have to make cheap jokes about people all day long, nor have to listen to any | Apr 25 13:04 |
| gde33 | I still value peoples opinion, but if it has to come as an arstecnica topic with 400 postings in it, no structure or organization, no established authors. I'm just not going to read the sound bites. | Apr 25 13:06 |
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| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3984037 | Apr 25 13:43 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: #Firefox is almost 13 years old, but it still uses an arcane, difficult interface like about:config for some rather basic settings. | Apr 25 13:43 | |
| schestowitz__ | "... as long as it works - why not?" | Apr 25 13:43 |
| schestowitz__ | That's the thing. It STOPPED working for me and searching for a fix is too hard. In mobille, Firefox doesn't even expose proxy settings in the GUI | Apr 25 13:44 |
| cubezzz | gde33, there's been some ideas about that | Apr 25 13:54 |
| cubezzz | generally for people who want to do their own thing, there | Apr 25 13:55 |
| cubezzz | 's old style BBSes, or they run there own servers | Apr 25 13:56 |
| cubezzz | s/there/their/ | Apr 25 13:56 |
| cubezzz | oops, cancel that last statement | Apr 25 13:56 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines NGINX Found Running 146 Million Websites--a | Apr 25 14:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Huge Web Server Success http://t.co/oWtlfI3UPt | Apr 25 14:13 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Enlightenment's Evas Adds OpenGL ETC2 Support | Apr 25 14:13 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Swiss school invests open source savings in | Apr 25 14:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | NGINX Found Running 146 Million Websites--a Huge Web Server Success | Tux Machines | Apr 25 14:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GeForce 700 vs. Radeon Rx 200 Series With The | Apr 25 14:13 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Latest Linux Drivers http://t.co/dfUKNdw96Y | Apr 25 14:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Enlightenment's Evas Adds OpenGL ETC2 Support | Tux Machines | Apr 25 14:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/XQDNxGtd3b | Apr 25 14:13 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Swiss school invests open source savings in education | Tux Machines | Apr 25 14:13 | |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | today's howtos | Tux Machines | Apr 25 14:13 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Software http://t.co/UyYz8DZDYJ | Apr 25 14:13 |
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| Sosumi | firefox's settings are ok | Apr 25 14:58 |
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| sebsebseb | hi | Apr 25 15:45 |
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| msb__ | schestowitz__: What's not working for you in Firefox? | Apr 25 16:18 |
| Sosumi | probably why firefox isn't enough safari | Apr 25 16:19 |
| Sosumi | just with a single settings pane | Apr 25 16:19 |
| MinceR | 194419 < schestowitz__> That's the thing. It STOPPED working for me and searching for a fix is too hard. In mobille, Firefox doesn't even expose proxy settings in the GUI | Apr 25 16:21 |
| MinceR | the Proxy Mobile extension exposes them | Apr 25 16:21 |
| MinceR | handy for Tor/Orbot :) | Apr 25 16:22 |
| msb__ | FF has 8 panes plus lots of parameters in about:config. But they're all pretty easy to find and adjust. | Apr 25 16:22 |
| MinceR | unfortunately, they keep throwing stuff away, so you can only reach them in about:config | Apr 25 16:22 |
| MinceR | iirc recently they removed the javascript switch, for example | Apr 25 16:22 |
| MinceR | they added that stupid URL trimming misfeature and you can only disable it in about:config | Apr 25 16:23 |
| msb__ | You mean where it doesn't show "http://" in the URL slot? | Apr 25 16:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Couldn't resolve host '"' ( status 0 @ http://" ) | Apr 25 16:24 | |
| MinceR | yes, that | Apr 25 16:24 |
| msb__ | But if you copy it with the mouse you get that, so it's ok. | Apr 25 16:25 |
| MinceR | it annoys me anyway | Apr 25 16:25 |
| msb__ | So many people use FF that you can always find a fix by googling. Also, there are lots of great addons. I found an excellent one that made my smooth scrolling perfect (once I adjusted it). | Apr 25 16:27 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 25 16:27 |
| schestowitz__ | http://cdn.viralnova.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/04/irony22.jpg | Apr 25 16:28 |
| schestowitz__ | MinceR: aha | Apr 25 16:29 |
| schestowitz__ | too late | Apr 25 16:29 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 25 16:29 |
| schestowitz__ | I moved to another browser | Apr 25 16:29 |
| schestowitz__ | [21:25] <msb__> But if you copy it with the mouse you get that, so it's ok. | Apr 25 16:29 |
| schestowitz__ | Not always | Apr 25 16:30 |
| schestowitz__ | Google started this crap | Apr 25 16:30 |
| schestowitz__ | and Firefox implemented this later | Apr 25 16:30 |
| schestowitz__ | something it does not copy the omitted part | Apr 25 16:30 |
| msb__ | Can't remember that happening. Are you using the latest version for Linux> | Apr 25 16:31 |
| msb__ | ? | Apr 25 16:31 |
| msb__ | schestowitz__: So why did you switch? What was the problem? | Apr 25 16:32 |
| schestowitz__ | proxy issues | Apr 25 16:33 |
| schestowitz__ | with tor probably | Apr 25 16:33 |
| msb__ | Sorry, not in my area of knowledge. | Apr 25 16:34 |
| msb__ | You might look for an add-on to fix it, | Apr 25 16:35 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft has enveloped Nokia :-/ | Apr 25 16:35 |
| msb__ | Like an amoeba and its prey? | Apr 25 16:36 |
| cubezzz | basically | Apr 25 16:36 |
| MinceR | suicidal prey, in this case | Apr 25 16:36 |
| cubezzz | does Nokia make Android smartphones? | Apr 25 16:37 |
| MinceR | they make the nokia x | Apr 25 16:37 |
| MinceR | with crippled android | Apr 25 16:37 |
| MinceR | also, crippled hardware | Apr 25 16:37 |
| MinceR | so, typical nokia product after the fall | Apr 25 16:37 |
| MinceR | with butt-ugly winblowsoid skin | Apr 25 16:38 |
| MinceR | basically any low-end chinese android phone you dig out of the bargain bin is better and cheaper | Apr 25 16:39 |
| MinceR | (just like it's better and cheaper than any winblows phone and any hypePhone) | Apr 25 16:39 |
| DaemonFC | Well, I guess it's just as well that my phone got a factory reset. I should have done that after the major android update anyway. | Apr 25 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | It seems to be faster now. | Apr 25 16:41 |
| DaemonFC | I'm moving all my important mail over to gmail because it just works better with the chromebook and Android. | Apr 25 16:42 |
| cubezzz | watching Microsoft's acquisitions is probably a good idea | Apr 25 16:42 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 25 16:42 |
| cubezzz | they just keep acquiring more and more companies | Apr 25 16:42 |
| MinceR | just to show you that usian antitrust laws don't work | Apr 25 16:43 |
| MinceR | also, they don't work anywhere else either | Apr 25 16:43 |
| msb__ | Doesn't gmail scan all your mail so it can send you ads? | Apr 25 16:43 |
| MinceR | it does | Apr 25 16:44 |
| MinceR | it also keeps the back door wide open so governments can read your mail | Apr 25 16:44 |
| MinceR | though i guess not wide enough as the red chinese did try to crack the backdoor for more access | Apr 25 16:45 |
| msb__ | This all is google's idea of "doing no harm"? | Apr 25 16:45 |
| MinceR | no, this is google's idea of "doing no evil" | Apr 25 16:46 |
| DaemonFC | msb__: Yeah. Gmail has a folder of "promotions" now. | Apr 25 16:47 |
| MinceR | that's just where it files your ad-like non-spam mail | Apr 25 16:47 |
| DaemonFC | You don't have to look at it and it doesn't count against your Drive storage. | Apr 25 16:47 |
| MinceR | like mailing lists you're willing to read :> | Apr 25 16:47 |
| MinceR | of shops and whatever | Apr 25 16:48 |
| DaemonFC | There's some battery saving app now from CleanMaster. | Apr 25 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | It says it saves battery power by shutting down apps. | Apr 25 16:49 |
| DaemonFC | iPhone users that close apps tend to get worse battery life, because they have to load the entire app again and have it refresh each time they open it. | Apr 25 16:50 |
| DaemonFC | I suppose Google knows this and that's why it just leaves it up to the app. | Apr 25 16:50 |
| MinceR | indeed | Apr 25 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | I have an application from Qualcomm called Battery Guru that stops battery draining behavior anyway. | Apr 25 16:51 |
| MinceR | also, android suspends app ui processes when they aren't visible | Apr 25 16:51 |
| MinceR | only service processes keep running | Apr 25 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | It stops frivolous app refresh requests and shuts down my mobile data after 15 minutes of non-use. | Apr 25 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | Battery Guru seems to help. | Apr 25 16:51 |
| DaemonFC | It stops apps like Facebook from refreshing in the background every few minutes. | Apr 25 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | It lets them update like once every hour or when it decides to turn your data back on. :) | Apr 25 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | It doesn't stop push messages when it's blocking refresh requests though. | Apr 25 16:52 |
| DaemonFC | So you know if people message you while refresh has been suppressed. | Apr 25 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | I'd guess that I get about 30-35% more time on my battery with that app installed. | Apr 25 16:53 |
| DaemonFC | Facebook likes to go in every 5-10 minutes and refresh the stream so it is always up to date when you look at it. But, I'd rather just have it take a few seconds each time I tap on it than make refresh requests so often. | Apr 25 16:54 |
| DaemonFC | By default, they're draining your battery to make their own app seem a little faster. | Apr 25 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | iPhone users can't do anything about this. | Apr 25 16:55 |
| MinceR | i don't use dumbFuckBook :> | Apr 25 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | Well, with iPhone, you have to uninstall Facebook to make it stop, because it says it's a "VOIP" app, and gains access to background refresh that way. | Apr 25 16:55 |
| msb__ | Me either. Saves 35% of my brain energy! | Apr 25 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | They get away with that because you can use facebook messenger to make voice calls now. | Apr 25 16:55 |
| DaemonFC | I'll bet that's the only reason they implemented that feature. | Apr 25 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | Without it, they wouldn't have gotten that VOIP exception from Apple. | Apr 25 16:56 |
| MinceR | i think you can also disable the app | Apr 25 16:56 |
| DaemonFC | Normal apps are not allowed to do that, because Apple doesn't give them access to that feature. | Apr 25 16:56 |
| MinceR | oh, hypePhone | Apr 25 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | I think this will be like the Zawinski's Law of Software Envelopment. | Apr 25 16:57 |
| MinceR | hypePhone users are just harmking themselves | Apr 25 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | Every iPhone app will expand until it has voice calls. | Apr 25 16:57 |
| MinceR | s/mk/m/ | Apr 25 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | B-) | Apr 25 16:57 |
| DaemonFC | If you want to be allowed to drain the battery, you just add some kind of voice calling feature to your app. | Apr 25 16:58 |
| MinceR | jwz has a hypePhone | Apr 25 16:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/rtJ7snacAh | Apr 25 16:58 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines LG opening up WebOS, Smart TV winning raves | Apr 25 16:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/X524G3Fb8L | Apr 25 16:58 |
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| MinceR | it's sad that his brain stopped working. | Apr 25 16:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Leftovers: Gaming | Tux Machines | Apr 25 16:58 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | LG opening up WebOS, Smart TV winning raves | Tux Machines | Apr 25 16:58 | |
| msb__ | jwz? | Apr 25 16:58 |
| MinceR | jamie zawinski | Apr 25 16:59 |
| DaemonFC | yeah | Apr 25 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | Someone that uses an iPhone asked me why I don't like Apple. | Apr 25 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | yesterday | Apr 25 17:00 |
| DaemonFC | I usually just point them to Stallman.org/Apple | Apr 25 17:01 |
| DaemonFC | His list has all of my reasons for avoiding them and more. | Apr 25 17:01 |
| msb__ | http://stallman.org/apple -- lower-case "a" | Apr 25 17:03 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-stallman.org | Apple | Apr 25 17:03 | |
| msb__ | Lots of good info there! | Apr 25 17:08 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Thanks! I'll send it to some Mac-using friends. | Apr 25 17:09 |
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| MinceR | https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bl4w9eLIAAAMreK.jpg:large | Apr 25 17:24 |
| cubezzz | of course apple is bad now | Apr 25 17:27 |
| cubezzz | originally they were OK with the apple II | Apr 25 17:27 |
| MinceR | it always was, at least since the macintoy and the lisa | Apr 25 17:27 |
| MinceR | and the crApple III | Apr 25 17:27 |
| cubezzz | ok, basically everything was bad except the Apple II :) | Apr 25 17:27 |
| MinceR | what was the apple I like? | Apr 25 17:28 |
| MinceR | and the various apple II variants? | Apr 25 17:28 |
| cubezzz | it was a kit, you had to build it up | Apr 25 17:28 |
| MinceR | i know | Apr 25 17:28 |
| cubezzz | Apple II was kind of like a C64 with better expansion slots | Apr 25 17:28 |
| cubezzz | 6502 cpu | Apr 25 17:29 |
| MinceR | and worse graphics? :> | Apr 25 17:29 |
| cubezzz | yeah 280x192 vs 320x200 | Apr 25 17:29 |
| cubezzz | but it's 5 years older | Apr 25 17:30 |
| cubezzz | it's what the rich kids bought in the late 70's | Apr 25 17:30 |
| MinceR | :> | Apr 25 17:30 |
| cubezzz | c64 debuted at $595 | Apr 25 17:31 |
| cubezzz | Apple II was $1298 | Apr 25 17:31 |
| cubezzz | the early 1990's was an interesting period for software developers | Apr 25 17:41 |
| cubezzz | there was C64, Apple II, Mac, IBM compatibles, Amiga and Atari | Apr 25 17:41 |
| MinceR | "may you live in interesting times" | Apr 25 17:41 |
| cubezzz | some software houses didn't support all of them, but there were some that did | Apr 25 17:41 |
| DaemonFC | uggh | Apr 25 17:42 |
| DaemonFC | a psychotic ex just showed up | Apr 25 17:42 |
| cubezzz | on the console side there was gameboy, nintendo, and sega genesis | Apr 25 17:42 |
| cubezzz | Loki Software didn't appear until 1998 | Apr 25 17:45 |
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| msb__ | Isn't that a Microsoft API? Psychotic-X ? | Apr 25 17:53 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 25 17:53 |
| MinceR | a good match for RadioActiveX and DirectSuX | Apr 25 17:53 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Where should we send the cops if you call for help? | Apr 25 17:54 |
| DaemonFC | ugggh | Apr 25 17:56 |
| DaemonFC | maybe I should buy a gun | Apr 25 17:56 |
| cubezzz | Microsoft owns a stake in UUNet | Apr 25 17:56 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Are you OK? Is he gone? | Apr 25 17:56 |
| cubezzz | and Rogers too :-/ | Apr 25 17:57 |
| DaemonFC | msb__: For now I think. | Apr 25 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | He got on my wifi and deleted a bunch of his accounts and shit and then claimed it was me that did it. | Apr 25 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | and he says he's gone to the police about it. | Apr 25 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | I don't know what this is about. | Apr 25 18:01 |
| DaemonFC | I changed all my passwords, including my wifi | Apr 25 18:02 |
| msb__ | Sounds pretty nuts! | Apr 25 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | oh, if he even did it | Apr 25 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | he's a liar | Apr 25 18:02 |
| DaemonFC | he lies about everything, even stuff that doesn't really matter | Apr 25 18:02 |
| msb__ | This could be an Lifetime movie, but they only do hetero psychotic-exes. | Apr 25 18:03 |
| cubezzz | probably a windows user too :) | Apr 25 18:04 |
| msb__ | On the evil ISP topic, Earthlink is owned by scientologists. | Apr 25 18:04 |
| msb__ | I hide my contact info in my domain record because I got death threats from some windows programmer! He wrote a Windows program and was angry that Linux was taking people away from Windows. | Apr 25 18:07 |
| cubezzz | haha | Apr 25 18:08 |
| cubezzz | anyone I know? | Apr 25 18:08 |
| msb__ | He was in Silicon Valley, California. Wrote a compiler supervisor program that would multitask. I don't remember his name. | Apr 25 18:09 |
| msb__ | Somewhere near San Jose, Calif. | Apr 25 18:10 |
| msb__ | I had a nice address on Mars in there, but they made me take it out and do standard anonymity. | Apr 25 18:12 |
| cubezzz | why did he get so upset at you? | Apr 25 18:12 |
| msb__ | 314 Tsiolkovsky Way, Dome 6, Mars City, Elysium Planitia EP178R51 | Apr 25 18:13 |
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| cubezzz | it's true that Windows and Linux folks don't get along too well, but usually they refrain from making death threats | Apr 25 18:14 |
| msb__ | I don't remember. Maybe I said Linux was better than Windows. More than once. | Apr 25 18:14 |
| msb__ | COLA is full of MS advos. That DFS that was in here a few days ago is a major one. | Apr 25 18:15 |
| msb__ | They're very nasty. Post pictures of turds floating in a toilet, etc. | Apr 25 18:15 |
| msb__ | Maybe I said gcc was much better than MSC. | Apr 25 18:16 |
| msb__ | This happened in COLA. So the guy was there to harass us anyhow. | Apr 25 18:17 |
| MinceR | how dare you? only m$ fans have the right to speak! :> | Apr 25 18:17 |
| msb__ | Right. In our own newsgroup. | Apr 25 18:18 |
| cubezzz | well I bet if he knew the whole story he would change his mind | Apr 25 18:18 |
| msb__ | Probably no mind there to change. | Apr 25 18:18 |
| cubezzz | because everything, icc, gcc, pcc, all derived from Unix v7 cc | Apr 25 18:18 |
| cubezzz | and the Microsoft compiler is from Lattice C | Apr 25 18:19 |
| cubezzz | gcc is important though, since like the original cc it was open source | Apr 25 18:19 |
| msb__ | Well it stunk back then. I had to turn off all the optimizations or it would write totally bad code. Divide by zero, etc. | Apr 25 18:20 |
| cubezzz | so when gcc matured, yes that was a big deal | Apr 25 18:20 |
| cubezzz | and pcc also got started at Bell Labs | Apr 25 18:21 |
| cubezzz | http://gcc.gnu.org/wiki/History | Apr 25 18:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-gcc.gnu.org | History - GCC Wiki | Apr 25 18:24 | |
| msb__ | cubezzz: If cc was open source, why did RMS have to write gcc from scratch? | Apr 25 18:28 |
| cubezzz | he didn't want to use any AT&T code | Apr 25 18:29 |
| cubezzz | he can't just convert pcc to gpl | Apr 25 18:32 |
| cubezzz | he probably thought it was important to have a compiler with a GPL license, which would have been impossible with pcc | Apr 25 18:33 |
| msb__ | Stay out of the clutches of the Giant Amoeba! | Apr 25 18:33 |
| cubezzz | the whole point of the GNU project was the idea of copyleft | Apr 25 18:34 |
| cubezzz | the BSD guys think differently on this point | Apr 25 18:34 |
| msb__ | Yep. | Apr 25 18:34 |
| cubezzz | BSD folks say "We are the middle choice" | Apr 25 18:34 |
| cubezzz | not copyright, but also not copyleft either | Apr 25 18:35 |
| msb__ | So we salute them with our middle finger! | Apr 25 18:35 |
| cubezzz | haha, well... | Apr 25 18:35 |
| cubezzz | I use the BSDs, and Plan 9 and Linux | Apr 25 18:36 |
| msb__ | Actually it's nice if we're allies. | Apr 25 18:36 |
| msb__ | When are you going to get a B6600 and write code in ALGOL68? | Apr 25 18:37 |
| msb__ | You could get a small reactor to power it. | Apr 25 18:38 |
| cubezzz | well that was related to APL | Apr 25 18:38 |
| msb__ | I thought it came from ALGOL60. | Apr 25 18:39 |
| cubezzz | ah no, what I mean is my interesting in Burroughs is mainly due to my interest in the historical versions of APL | Apr 25 18:40 |
| msb__ | ALGOL68 was supposed to be "orthogonal", meaning that every design principle could be applied to every type of object (I guess unless it was really ridiculous). | Apr 25 18:42 |
| msb__ | It had a double-layer grammer, that generated an infinite number of production rules. | Apr 25 18:42 |
| cubezzz | there was APL\5500 and... ummm APL\700 I think it was | Apr 25 18:42 |
| msb__ | The defining document had lots of references to Alice in Wonderland! | Apr 25 18:42 |
| cubezzz | APL\5500 ran on the Burroughs B5500 of course | Apr 25 18:43 |
| cubezzz | so yeah we have the ALGOL68 source for APL\5500 | Apr 25 18:46 |
| cubezzz | I haven't really looked at it much | Apr 25 18:47 |
| cubezzz | no free emulator for B5500 as yet, but people are working on it | Apr 25 18:48 |
| cubezzz | Linux has the ALGOL 68 Genie project, so I can use that if I really want to write algol programs | Apr 25 18:49 |
| msb__ | Back when I was following the ALGOLs, only one group managed to make a compiler for '68, but it cheated and used a single-level grammar with kludges. | Apr 25 18:50 |
| DaemonFC | msb__: That's what sucks so much about having a psychotic ex that's the same gender as you. If you complain to the police or anything about it, then you have to deal with small town bigotry. | Apr 25 18:56 |
| msb__ | I was attacked by a cop in Philadelphia just because I had long hair. Walking at night, nobody around, not doing anything. | Apr 25 18:59 |
| DaemonFC | 20 secs · | Apr 25 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | That's what sucks about having a crazy ex that's the same gender as you are. If you complain to the police or anyone about it, you get to deal with right-wing Indiana small town bigotry. | Apr 25 19:00 |
| MinceR | http://cl.ly/image/2C1T0N451E1b | Apr 25 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | That's exactly why Jeffrey Dahmer wasn't captured earlier. The police actually returned one of his victims to him and then laughed about his "drunken gay boyfriend" instead of investigating what was actually going on in there. | Apr 25 19:00 |
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| DaemonFC | Judges can strike down whatever awful laws they want, but it doesn't change the fact that the public sucks. If the voting public wasn't a bunch of backwards retards, states like Indiana wouldn't have anti-equality laws to begin with. | Apr 25 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | I put that on Facebook. :P | Apr 25 19:00 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: I was just kidding, and also confused. The successor to the B5500 was the B6700, not 6600. I'm pretty sure it was a B6700 manual that I got, and was totally thrilled by. | Apr 25 19:00 |
| DaemonFC | Out of an abundance of caution, I shredded my browser profiles with GNU Shred. | Apr 25 19:01 |
| msb__ | And those machines ran ALGOL60 (more or less), not 68. | Apr 25 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | Then I rounded up anything that belonged to him, and threw it in the trash someplace else. | Apr 25 19:01 |
| DaemonFC | I haven't done anything wrong, but unfortunately, that doesn't actually matter if the police want to harass you. | Apr 25 19:02 |
| cubezzz | msb_, yeah the only two Burroughs machines I know anything about are B5500, B6700 and B7700 | Apr 25 19:02 |
| cubezzz | that's mainly due to my interest in APL | Apr 25 19:02 |
| cubezzz | oops, three machines :) | Apr 25 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | They might go into your house over one thing, but they're looking for anything they can stick to you. | Apr 25 19:02 |
| DaemonFC | I might switch my OS over to Ubuntu and encrypt my home folder. | Apr 25 19:03 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: Yeah, making someone wrong gains points for them. A bad system. | Apr 25 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | I didn't really want to encrypt my home folder because it slows stuff down. | Apr 25 19:03 |
| DaemonFC | and if you need to legitimately recover your own data, that can cause problems | Apr 25 19:03 |
| msb__ | DaemonFC: As long as all your sexy pictures are of people over 18, they're legal, right? | Apr 25 19:05 |
| msb__ | So all the cops could get you for is making them cream their pants when they look at it. Send you the dry-cleaning bill. | Apr 25 19:06 |
| DaemonFC | well, a copyright violation perhaps. | Apr 25 19:06 |
| msb__ | It could make them reveal (dare I say "expose") themselves. Is there a law against De-Closetation of a Police Officer? | Apr 25 19:07 |
| msb__ | Defenestration, but that's different. | Apr 25 19:11 |
| cubezzz | msb_, I honesty am not sure if B5500 used ALGOL60 or ALGOL68 | Apr 25 19:14 |
| cubezzz | it might have been both | Apr 25 19:14 |
| cubezzz | the APL code was dated after 1970 at any rate | Apr 25 19:15 |
| cubezzz | I can't tell which version of ALGOL it is | Apr 25 19:15 |
| msb__ | This is an interesting read: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Algol-68 | Apr 25 19:20 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | ALGOL 68 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Apr 25 19:20 | |
| msb__ | I'm pretty sure the B5500/B6700 was designed for an ALGOL very close to 60, probably with some extensions. 68 was an entirely different beast. | Apr 25 19:21 |
| msb__ | A computer designed to execute ALGOL68 programs would have to have hardware extensions into hyperspace. | Apr 25 19:24 |
| msb__ | A good subject for a Rudy Rucker story. | Apr 25 19:25 |
| DaemonFC | msb__: I suppose there's no good reason to have tons of porn on my hard drive anyway. | Apr 25 19:49 |
| DaemonFC | Stream it. | Apr 25 19:49 |
| msb__ | Of course there is. And where are you going to stream it from? | Apr 25 19:51 |
| msb__ | The only reason not to have tons of porn on your hard drive is if it causes an imbalance and makes the drive shake, which is bad for the bearings. | Apr 25 19:53 |
| MinceR | lol | Apr 25 19:54 |
| DaemonFC | 51.2 GB for the OS. 4 GB for the SWAP file, 1.86 TB for porn. | Apr 25 19:54 |
| msb__ | That sounds about right. | Apr 25 19:54 |
| cubezzz | msb__, you are right, it's ALGOL 60 with extensions | Apr 25 20:01 |
| msb__ | Yes, ALGOL68 was designed for trans-dimensional beings, whose minds are infinitely-indexed memory banks. | Apr 25 20:04 |
| MinceR | turing machines? | Apr 25 20:05 |
| msb__ | Touring machines. | Apr 25 20:05 |
| msb__ | ALGOL68 is fun to read about, but it's very dangerous. With its orthogonality, every piece of code will execute and do something, because anything can modify and define anything else. Thus a simple typo in a program might cause it to generate a black hole when it executes, and swallow the entire planet. | Apr 25 20:08 |
| msb__ | It's like that program I wrote for the LINC. It filled a large section of memory with random numbers, and then executed them as LINC instructions. It wouldn't execute the HALT instruction, nor modify memory outside that designated section, but inside it, it could modify itself with total freedom. | Apr 25 20:13 |
| msb__ | I stopped running it when the computer began to glow with an eerie green light, and I saw these... creatures, swimming through the air. Then they started looking at me. I shut down that program, burned the paper tape it was written on, and never ran it again. | Apr 25 20:15 |
| DaemonFC | My next desktop computer will probably be a Chromebox. | Apr 25 20:17 |
| DaemonFC | I like my Chromebook. | Apr 25 20:17 |
| msb__ | Is it all open source? | Apr 25 20:23 |
| msb__ | And user-modifiable? | Apr 25 20:23 |
| cubezzz | the chromebooks have seabios so that gets a thumbs up from me | Apr 25 20:24 |
| msb__ | If you can't go through it and de-louse it, you'll be getting ads from porno distributors that you never heard of. | Apr 25 20:25 |
| cubezzz | you can change the OS, there's a few wiki's on how to do it | Apr 25 20:26 |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 25 20:26 |
| cubezzz | if you don't like Chrome OS | Apr 25 20:26 |
| msb__ | cubezzz: That's good, but what's in the OS and utilities that go on top of it. | Apr 25 20:26 |
| cubezzz | it's Chrome OS out of the box | Apr 25 20:26 |
| msb__ | Will Chrome fanboys be called Chrome-Domes? If so, you heard it here first. | Apr 25 20:27 |
| msb__ | Google Chrome OS is a Linux kernel-based operating system designed by Google to work primarily with web applications. The user interface takes a minimalist approach and consists almost entirely of just the Google Chrome web browser; | Apr 25 20:30 |
| msb__ | ...wiki | Apr 25 20:31 |
| msb__ | Sounds like it's really embedded in Google corp. | Apr 25 20:32 |
| msb__ | aka google gorp. | Apr 25 20:33 |
| msb__ | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrome_OS | Apr 25 20:33 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | Chrome OS - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia | Apr 25 20:33 | |
| cubezzz | yes well that's why I mentioned replacing Chrome OS with something else :) | Apr 25 20:41 |
| cubezzz | e.g. debian or whatever | Apr 25 20:41 |
| msb__ | (suse is nice) | Apr 25 20:41 |
| DaemonFC | Chrome OS is really easy to use and the web apps are more powerful than I thought they'd be. | Apr 25 20:42 |
| cubezzz | I assume Google gives out programming specs for it | Apr 25 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | It runs on some really minimal hardware that even something like Xubuntu wouldn't run very well on. | Apr 25 20:42 |
| cubezzz | so it should be possible to adapt it to any open source OS | Apr 25 20:42 |
| DaemonFC | cubezzz: There's the Chromium OS project. | Apr 25 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | So like almost all of it is open source. | Apr 25 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | It comes with a few proprietary bits though. | Apr 25 20:43 |
| DaemonFC | Flash, for example | Apr 25 20:43 |
| msb__ | OK, but if you come back and tell us that you're totally straight, and by the way have accepted the Lord Jesus Christ as you personal savior, we'll know they got to you. | Apr 25 20:45 |
| msb__ | I don't trust corporations. | Apr 25 20:45 |
| msb__ | Didn't we just see an article about how Google is totally working with the US govt on surveillance drones or something? | Apr 25 20:47 |
| msb__ | Oh yeah, http://pando.com/2014/04/23/the-revolving-door-between-google-and-the-department-of-defense/ | Apr 25 20:49 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-pando.com | The revolving door between Google and the Department of Defense | PandoDaily [ http://ur1.ca/h5s5n ] | Apr 25 20:49 | |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines GNOME 3.14 to Be Released in September 2014 | Apr 25 22:43 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Banana Pi: The next generation of single-board | Apr 26 03:17 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ZaRdOz420WPN: Arseniy Yatsenyuk #RightSector #Ukraine #Fascism #Nationalism #Nazi #NED #CIA #IMF https://t.co/LZx0ABy9G3 http://t.co/iJd50dXVYh | Apr 26 08:10 | |
| Sosumi | heil shicklegruber | Apr 26 08:10 |
| Sosumi | Ratsenyuk, following the steps of Stepan Bandera | Apr 26 08:19 |
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| Sosumi | http://www.hardocp.com/news/2014/04/26/microsoft_may_halt_xbox_one_production/ | Apr 26 13:07 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.hardocp.com | HARDOCP - Microsoft May Halt Xbox One Production [ http://ur1.ca/h6u2y ] | Apr 26 13:07 | |
| Sosumi | lololololololol abd infinitum | Apr 26 13:07 |
| Sosumi | *add | Apr 26 13:07 |
| Sosumi | wanting to clear inventory before ramping production again | Apr 26 13:09 |
| Sosumi | m$ lost it after halo 3 | Apr 26 13:09 |
| Sosumi | after that the ps3 picked up | Apr 26 13:10 |
| msb__ | Sosumi: Are you there? | Apr 26 13:34 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.s3.amazonaws.com/uploads/images/scaled_full_14ecbe7071b335908252.jpg | Apr 26 13:51 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 26 13:51 |
| MinceR | that must be very uncomfortable | Apr 26 13:51 |
| MinceR | if it's made of that wire | Apr 26 13:51 |
| schestowitz__ | watch closely :-) it's a hammock hanging | Apr 26 13:53 |
| MinceR | :) | Apr 26 13:54 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/posts/3978295 | Apr 26 13:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: The reasons companies funnel money to "Linux" (foundation) is not that Linux is so exceptional compared to GNU but misnaming of the system | Apr 26 13:58 | |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 26 13:58 |
| schestowitz__ | Linus clearly understands the benefits of software freedom and Linux, which is GPL'd, is clearly copyleft free software. Linus has decried binary blobs and has often talked about the benefits of group cooperation and commons. | Apr 26 13:58 |
| schestowitz__ | Don't let the Microsoft press tell you what Linux thinks, watch his speeches for yourself. An excellent speech to watch is the infamous "FU Nividia" speech. It is true that Linus told Nvidia to fuck off, but that is only a tiny portion of the talk. Most of it is about the benefits of having all sorts of people working on Linux, like how the combined expertise fosters solutions that would never have occurred to more focused groups on | Apr 26 13:58 |
| schestowitz__ | their own. While Linus does not say so out loud, you can see that he understands the tragedy of BSD and Unix which splintered. | Apr 26 13:58 |
| schestowitz__ | " | Apr 26 13:58 |
| schestowitz__ | +1 to that, on creating a rift | Apr 26 13:58 |
| schestowitz__ | https://joindiaspora.com/post/3987526 | Apr 26 14:00 |
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| Sosumi | I'm here now | Apr 26 14:06 |
| Sosumi | but now I'm gone | Apr 26 14:06 |
| schestowitz__ | exccellent news re xbox oone | Apr 26 14:11 |
| schestowitz__ | people have a day field with it now | Apr 26 14:11 |
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| _Goblin | schestowitz, I don't suppose you are about? | Apr 26 14:57 |
| schestowitz__ | I am, what's up? | Apr 26 14:58 |
| schestowitz__ | recording? | Apr 26 14:58 |
| _Goblin | yep | Apr 26 15:01 |
| _Goblin | if you want... | Apr 26 15:01 |
| Sosumi | recording? | Apr 26 15:02 |
| Sosumi | an album about free software? | Apr 26 15:02 |
| Sosumi | :) | Apr 26 15:02 |
| _Goblin | yeah..... | Apr 26 15:03 |
| _Goblin | like a kylie and Jason type track | Apr 26 15:03 |
| schestowitz__ | _Goblin: what time roughly? | Apr 26 15:03 |
| _Goblin | what time suits you? | Apr 26 15:03 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Open source core of Warsaw hospital e-health system | Tux Machines | Apr 26 15:07 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Spanish hospitals test open source data portal | Tux Machines | Apr 26 15:07 | |
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| _Goblin | schestowitz__, I can do anytime as long as it doesn't get too late. | Apr 26 15:09 |
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| MinceR | http://danielpocock.com/android-betrays-tethering-data | Apr 26 15:24 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-danielpocock.com | Android betrays tethering data | DanielPocock.com [ http://ur1.ca/h60xm ] | Apr 26 15:24 | |
| schestowitz__ | tell me which channel now | Apr 26 15:27 |
| schestowitz__ | I can start now | Apr 26 15:27 |
| schestowitz__ | we can also quickly invite anyone who wants to be live on it | Apr 26 15:28 |
| schestowitz__ | (just finished dinner with the wife and need to get to sleep before 10 or so, let's hurry up and start) | Apr 26 15:29 |
| _Goblin | Yep...DM;d you | Apr 26 15:30 |
| schestowitz__ | yeah | Apr 26 15:34 |
| schestowitz__ | getting there now | Apr 26 15:34 |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux engineer builds Raspberry Pi-based | Apr 26 16:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Piphone for $158 http://t.co/XaXA7Y9bR2 | Apr 26 16:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux engineer builds Raspberry Pi-based Piphone for $158 | Tux Machines | Apr 26 16:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Picuntu 5.1 brings Ubuntu 14.04 to the | Apr 26 16:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | MarsBoard RK3066 dev board | Apr 26 16:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/SfpCB8EisZ | Apr 26 16:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Picuntu 5.1 brings Ubuntu 14.04 to the MarsBoard RK3066 dev board | Tux Machines | Apr 26 16:48 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Cern expands open source system use with Red | Apr 26 16:48 |
| TweetTuxMachines | Hat http://t.co/whzHvYyy9i | Apr 26 16:48 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Cern expands open source system use with Red Hat | Tux Machines | Apr 26 16:48 | |
| cubezzz | ok, not necessarily open source but an interesting list of games re-released as freeware: | Apr 26 16:50 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_commercial_video_games_released_as_freeware | Apr 26 16:50 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | List of commercial video games released as freeware - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h6vq4 ] | Apr 26 16:50 | |
| cubezzz | and games with source code released: | Apr 26 16:58 |
| cubezzz | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_commercial_video_games_with_available_source_code | Apr 26 16:58 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org | List of commercial video games with available source code - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/h6vs0 ] | Apr 26 16:58 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines How POWER8 Will Win… Linux/x86 Server Users | Apr 26 16:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/tTZ2QUQOXe | Apr 26 16:58 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines 5 free open source and web alternatives to | Apr 26 16:58 |
| TweetTuxMachines | commercial software http://t.co/wsIYgQeDFg | Apr 26 16:58 |
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| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Linux Graphics News http://t.co/33vJA2HCLj | Apr 26 16:59 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | How POWER8 Will Win… Linux/x86 Server Users | Tux Machines | Apr 26 16:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | 5 free open source and web alternatives to commercial software | Tux Machines | Apr 26 16:59 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Linux Graphics News | Tux Machines | Apr 26 16:59 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Fedora Vs. Mint Vs. Red Hat 2014 from | Apr 26 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/Gq0pIw2B5V http://t.co/sN9TcUxiVD | Apr 26 18:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ThreeHosts.com | Cheap Web Hosting | Apr 26 18:39 | |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Fedora Vs. Mint Vs. Red Hat 2014 from ThreeHosts.com | Tux Machines | Apr 26 18:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Utopic Unicorn (14.10) is Open for Business | Apr 26 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/nzt8jJlYFn | Apr 26 18:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Utopic Unicorn (14.10) is Open for Business | Tux Machines | Apr 26 18:39 | |
| TweetTuxMachines | @tuxmachines Ubuntu Tweak 0.8.7 Has Been Released! | Apr 26 18:39 |
| TweetTuxMachines | http://t.co/cr3RNz3dz3 | Apr 26 18:39 |
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| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org | Ubuntu Tweak 0.8.7 Has Been Released! | Tux Machines | Apr 26 18:39 | |
| MinceR | gn | Apr 26 19:19 |
| -->gulag2014 (~gulag2014@pool-173-48-5-211.bstnma.east.verizon.net) has joined #techrights | Apr 26 20:19 | |
| cubezzz | well hwinfo is definitely an eye opener | Apr 26 20:41 |
| cubezzz | it can probe a ton of info | Apr 26 20:44 |
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| gulag2014 | Windows subscription model is on the horizon. http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2014/04/the-inevitable-arrival-of-subscription-based-windows/?comments=1 | Apr 26 23:41 |
| -TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com | The inevitable arrival of subscription-based Windows | Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/h6xzj ] | Apr 26 23:41 | |
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