IRC: #techrights @ FreeNode: August 9th, 2015-August 15th, 2015

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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "I am sponsored by Blue systems GmBH to work on	Aug 09 03:59
TweetTuxMachines	Plasma mobile" https://t.co/zl7Tyd8M4z	Aug 09 03:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-bhush9.github.io \| Exciting Road Ahead, BlueSystems		Aug 09 03:59
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Announces Search for Executive Director	Aug 09 04:00
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/DspsH5VvQR (www.gnome.org)	Aug 09 04:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gnome.org \| GNOME Announces Search for Executive Director – GNOME		Aug 09 04:00
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Lite 2.6 Enters Beta with LibreOffice 5.0	Aug 09 04:00
TweetTuxMachines	and New Control Center, Based on Ubuntu 14.04.3	Aug 09 04:00
TweetTuxMachines	LTS http://t.co/jcbN8Vcjku (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 09 04:00
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Linux Lite 2.6 Enters Beta with LibreOffice 5.0 and New Control Center, Based on Ubuntu 14.04.3 LTS - Softpedia		Aug 09 04:00
*TweetTuxMachines @OpenRend retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Linux Lite 2.6 Enters Beta with LibreOffice 5.0...'		Aug 09 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AMD Plans To Catch Up With NVIDIA With A New	Aug 09 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Graphics Driver http://t.co/or2Nw5YMzO	Aug 09 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.bidnessetc.com) http://t.co/L9fwMNXUqI	Aug 09 04:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bidnessetc.com \| Advanced Micro Devices, Inc. Plans To Catch Up With NVIDIA With A New Linux Graphics Driver		Aug 09 04:02
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Aug 09 04:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Easily Swap Between AMD & NVIDIA OpenGL Linux Drivers At Boot Time - Phoronix		Aug 09 04:02
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Last Chance to Get Crawl on Steam for Linux	Aug 09 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	with 20% Discount http://t.co/0w4YzCRiNg	Aug 09 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	(linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 09 04:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Last Chance to Get Crawl on Steam for Linux with 20% Discount - Softpedia		Aug 09 04:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Calibre 2.34 Brings Even More DOCX Improvements	Aug 09 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/oXs7m7PGbB (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 09 04:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Calibre 2.34 Brings Even More DOCX Improvements - Softpedia		Aug 09 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "An annoying issue with Ubuntu Touch is the	Aug 09 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	fact that the apps take a lot of time until	Aug 09 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	they open" http://t.co/e9OHWyjv5y (linuxg.net)	Aug 09 04:35
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linuxg.net \| After A Phone Reboot, The Apps Are Laggy At The First Launch, But Canonical Is Aware Of The Issue \| LinuxG.net		Aug 09 04:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New renders of Android flavored BlackBerry	Aug 09 04:41
TweetTuxMachines	Venice slider surface http://t.co/aHy0B6jEAq	Aug 09 04:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phonearena.com)	Aug 09 04:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phonearena.com \| New renders of Android flavored BlackBerry Venice slider surface		Aug 09 04:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Back to school: Computer options that won’t	Aug 09 04:41
TweetTuxMachines	break the bank http://t.co/zu0X2AtnTG	Aug 09 04:41
TweetTuxMachines	(www.stgeorgeutah.com)	Aug 09 04:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights- ( status 404 @ http://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2015/08/08/rsw-mgk-back-to-school-computer-options-that-wont-break-the-bank/#.VccM7bwZq00 )		Aug 09 04:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Plasma Mobile – A Mobile KDE Linux Project	Aug 09 04:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/gnrUrz3M68 (techaeris.com)	Aug 09 04:41
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techaeris.com \| Plasma Mobile – A Mobile KDE Linux Project \| Techaeris		Aug 09 04:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Applications 15.08 RC for openSUSE	Aug 09 04:49
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/Amk0VNnwpH (www.dennogumi.org)	Aug 09 04:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.dennogumi.org \| KDE Applications 15.08 RC for openSUSE		Aug 09 04:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "UEFI horror stories as their developers begin	Aug 09 04:49
TweetTuxMachines	to take a more serious look at Debian and UEFI"	Aug 09 04:49
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/3U5AgenHlo (www.phoronix.com)	Aug 09 04:49
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/YU2RYG3ERd (techrights.org)	Aug 09 04:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Debian Wants To Tackle UEFI, But They Need Your Help - Phoronix		Aug 09 04:49
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| UEFI - Techrights		Aug 09 04:49
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New renders of Android flavored BlackBerry	Aug 09 04:49
TweetTuxMachines	Venice slider surface http://t.co/mXu6L2epbi	Aug 09 04:49
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 09 04:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| New renders of Android flavored BlackBerry Venice slider surface \| Tux Machines		Aug 09 04:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Plasma Mobile – A Mobile KDE Linux Project	Aug 09 05:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/HyWXY6NWje (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 09 05:04
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Plasma Mobile – A Mobile KDE Linux Project \| Tux Machines		Aug 09 05:04
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Back to school: Computer options that won’t	Aug 09 05:04
TweetTuxMachines	break the bank http://t.co/bPW9acV5Tb	Aug 09 05:04
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 09 05:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Back to school: Computer options that won’t break the bank \| Tux Machines		Aug 09 05:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "I've released man-pages-4.02. The release	Aug 09 05:04
TweetTuxMachines	tarball is available on kernel dot org."	Aug 09 05:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/LcUNPv1NXA	Aug 09 05:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux-man-pages.blogspot.co.uk \| Linux man-pages: man-pages-4.02 is released		Aug 09 05:04
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*TweetTuxMachines @voidquest44 retweeted @tuxmachines: '"UEFI horror stories as their developers begin to...'		Aug 09 05:04
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oiaohm	Great I have a 3TB brick drive to remove.	Aug 09 05:16
oiaohm	Luck its one of my mirror raid drives.	Aug 09 05:19
oiaohm	Removing prelink and preload from my system has improved boot times no end.	Aug 09 06:07
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bgiltrap/status/630336471648600064	Aug 09 07:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bgiltrap: @schestowitz how to find a method to get news to the public & removing biases?, social media for tends to reinforce preexisting views		Aug 09 07:16
schestowitz	It's a tough problem	Aug 09 07:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/2E0EOL/status/630337836131184640	Aug 09 07:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@2E0EOL: @schestowitz Fair play to #Assange; I'd do the same as him, but ironically, they have put him away for a few years anyway!		Aug 09 07:21
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bgiltrap/status/630338093242040320	Aug 09 07:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bgiltrap: @schestowitz maybe the answer is in a software newspaper - using some of the concepts outlined http://t.co/b9clJMwSva		Aug 09 07:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.technologyreview.com \| How to Burst the "Filter Bubble" that Protects Us from Opposing Views \| MIT Technology Review		Aug 09 07:22
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Nessie43/status/630341268221112321	Aug 09 07:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Nessie43: @schestowitz To deal with what is known might be too boring for some.		Aug 09 07:44
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/630341362974470144	Aug 09 07:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: The #irrational #hate of the #West towards #Russia provides a hint: https://t.co/LAZY1TVDHf		Aug 09 07:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Did the Nazis lose or get 'redistributed'/'decentralised'? https://t.co/TZVUGQbXyp		Aug 09 07:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/630342451509628928	Aug 09 07:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: …AND #money #laundering AND #economic #extortion/@threats to submit other countries to the Empire's will, as well: https://t.co/1jdKYojXOp		Aug 09 07:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Wall Street connected to #espionage agencies (and #war profiteers) http://t.co/z560XR1fjX		Aug 09 07:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/krautlandnewsed/status/630345554908848128	Aug 09 07:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@krautlandnewsed: @schestowitz Fun fact: When barracks were named after Heusinger in 80s, some "period" flags pulled from "infantry museum" decorated event.		Aug 09 07:55
oiaohm	Orcale still attempting to attack Android.	Aug 09 08:09
oiaohm	Really this is good because that will make phone makers consider other Linux options as backup plans.	Aug 09 08:09
schestowitz	http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/hyderabad/Code-Word/2015/08/08/article2962737.ece	Aug 09 08:11
schestowitz	"There’s a tasteless joke about a possible CIA code name for Monica Lewinsky. They say it’s ‘The Hoover’."	Aug 09 08:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newindianexpress.com \| Code Word - The New Indian Express [ http://ur1.ca/ne89l ]		Aug 09 08:11
schestowitz	oiaohm: but isn't oracle in db business?	Aug 09 08:11
schestowitz	I never understood this...	Aug 09 08:11
schestowitz	except the fact that they own java	Aug 09 08:11
schestowitz	and dalvik changes some stuff in the universal form	Aug 09 08:11
oiaohm	Not exactly.	Aug 09 08:17
oiaohm	JVM was sold as a mobile phone application solution before Android existed.	Aug 09 08:17
oiaohm	schestowitz: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/embedded/javame/java-mobile/downloads/javaformobiledevicesdownloads-2194042.html	Aug 09 08:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.oracle.com \| Java for Mobile Devices Downloads [ http://ur1.ca/ne8bf ]		Aug 09 08:19
oiaohm	This is what Oracle is upset about. Basically google took their old lunch.	Aug 09 08:20
oiaohm	My old nokia phone that I replaced contained this.	Aug 09 08:21
oiaohm	Really over all the years of JVM phones not one of them made a decent smart phone.	Aug 09 08:28
*TweetTuxMachines @voidquest44 favourited '"UEFI horror stories as their developers begin to...'		Aug 09 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Has No Plans to Support DEB-Based	Aug 09 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu Software Center http://t.co/NEsxXeDh3g	Aug 09 09:16
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 09 09:16
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Canonical Has No Plans to Support DEB-Based Ubuntu Software Center \| Tux Machines		Aug 09 09:16
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MinceR	https://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-group-hits-indie-creators-for-using-the-word-pixels-150808/	Aug 09 11:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-torrentfreak.com \| Anti-Piracy Group Hits Indie Creators For Using the Word 'Pixels' - TorrentFreak [ http://ur1.ca/ne6if ]		Aug 09 11:25
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/630403498388135936	Aug 09 11:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz "The firearm and the ammunition must not be packed in the same container". http://t.co/a4kVGRalDC		Aug 09 11:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.aircanada.com \| aircanada.com - Hunting Equipment		Aug 09 11:41
schestowitz	MinceR: seen that, thankls	Aug 09 11:41
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bgiltrap/status/630413398807855105	Aug 09 12:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bgiltrap: @schestowitz fud against libreoffice? http://t.co/nEdq5jLu5A		Aug 09 12:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> standardsandfreedom.net \| LibreOffice, and the ODF legacy \| Moved by Freedom – Powered by Standards		Aug 09 12:23
schestowitz	indeed, not seen it though	Aug 09 12:24
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schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/stream	Aug 09 13:00
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schestowitz	"At sentencing, my judge … took away my federal pension."	Aug 09 13:00
schestowitz	Seen that too, not enough space to add	Aug 09 13:00
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6445191	Aug 09 13:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: John Kiriakou: "auto insurance canceled my policies.. credit card company canceled my card" http://www.citywatchla.com/lead-stories-hidden/9431-read-this-first-before-you-blow-the-whistle-here-s-what-no-one-ever-tells-you #torture		Aug 09 13:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.citywatchla.com \| Read this First! Before You Blow the Whistle, Here’s What No One Ever Tells You [ http://ur1.ca/neai2 ]		Aug 09 13:01
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schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6445177	Aug 09 13:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When #Psychology Is Used For #Torture http://www.huffingtonpost.com/donna-mckay/the-brutal-toll-of-psycho_b_7948448.html https://sojo.net/articles/when-psychology-used-torture and then incites entire ethnic groups		Aug 09 13:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.huffingtonpost.com \| The Brutal Toll of Psychologists' Role in Torture \| Donna McKay [ http://ur1.ca/neaik ]		Aug 09 13:02
schestowitz	"‘Like’ is the wrong button, but thanks for sharing!"	Aug 09 13:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> sojo.net \| When Psychology Is Used For Torture \| Sojourners [ http://ur1.ca/neail ]		Aug 09 13:02
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6445148	Aug 09 13:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Donald Trump: "I pay as little as possible" in taxes http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-i-pay-as-little-as-possible-in-taxes/ #billgates evades it http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique		Aug 09 13:03
schestowitz	"it is an inescapable law of the shit can that scum rises to the top"	Aug 09 13:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cbsnews.com \| Donald Trump: "I pay as little as possible" in taxes - CBS News [ http://ur1.ca/neaix ]		Aug 09 13:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Gates Foundation Critique - Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/1e8bh ]		Aug 09 13:03
schestowitz	By design	Aug 09 13:03
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6445140	Aug 09 13:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Donald Trump: "Waterboarding doesn't sound very severe" http://www.vox.com/2015/8/2/9086575/donald-trump-waterboarding-torture #torture #donaldtrump		Aug 09 13:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.vox.com \| Donald Trump: "Waterboarding doesn't sound very severe" - Vox [ http://ur1.ca/neaj8 ]		Aug 09 13:04
schestowitz	"OK so instead of a TV debate shall we do a TV waterboarding and let’s have some truth out of you Trump"	Aug 09 13:04
schestowitz	He'll send an apprentice to that...	Aug 09 13:04
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6445124	Aug 09 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A Letter From #Africa to #BlackLivesMatter http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/05/a-letter-from-africa-to-blacklivesmatter/ "Do these Black lives matter just as much as Black American lives?"		Aug 09 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.counterpunch.org \| A Letter From Africa to #BlackLivesMatter [ http://ur1.ca/neajb ]		Aug 09 13:05
schestowitz	http://asmarino.com/articles/637-shame-on-thomas-c-mountain	Aug 09 13:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-asmarino.com \| Shame on Thomas C. Mountain [ http://ur1.ca/neajc ]		Aug 09 13:05
msb__	MinceR: This is great! https://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-group-hits-indie-creators-for-using-the-word-pixels-150808/	Aug 09 13:05
schestowitz	"	Aug 09 13:05
schestowitz	I didn’t think I would respond to Thomas C. Mr. Mountain’s article entitled, “Sweden’s Cause Celebre Dawit Issack: Hero or Zero?” published in Eritreacompass.com, a sister website of shabait.com(a website of the Ministry of Information).	Aug 09 13:05
schestowitz	Mr. Mountain is an unofficial spokesperson of the Eritrean government and he was actually hired by the People’s Front for Democracy and Justice (PFDJ) to misinform the international community. I didn’t intend to raise this issue because most people know the truth anyway, but I decided to do so just in case Mr. Mountain’s article influences 0.00001% members of the international community. Those people deserve to know the truth if they	Aug 09 13:05
schestowitz	are not aware of it yet.	Aug 09 13:05
schestowitz	"	Aug 09 13:05
msb__	MinceR: Why not issue DMCA takedowns for everything using the word "The" in its title, since that word has already been copyrighted.	Aug 09 13:07
schestowitz	maybe T.H.E. is taken	Aug 09 13:20
schestowitz	for some company names	Aug 09 13:20
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cubexyz	the whole copyright thing has just turned into a farcial overreach	Aug 09 14:32
cubexyz	in an era where any 2-dimensional recordings can be duplicated at the touch of a button	Aug 09 14:33
cubexyz	I still buy books, I still buy DVDs and magazines	Aug 09 14:36
cubexyz	thumbs down to vimeo	Aug 09 14:39
cubexyz	I don't think you can copyright short phrases, never mind single words	Aug 09 14:42
cubexyz	"slogans or other short phrases or expressions cannot be coprighted"	Aug 09 14:43
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cubexyz	and even with all the devices that make copying easy some stuff is lost	Aug 09 14:58
cubexyz	75% of silent movies are lost	Aug 09 15:07
cubexyz	early Unix source code is partially lost	Aug 09 15:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Raspberry Pi Switches Over To Linux 4.1	Aug 09 15:30
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qenVjjAFwB (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 09 15:30
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Raspberry Pi Switches Over To Linux 4.1 \| Tux Machines		Aug 09 15:30
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MinceR	msb__: i wondered how many takedowns were issued when the movie "Up" was released	Aug 09 15:47
MinceR	"It" probably predated this sort of idiocy	Aug 09 15:47
cubexyz	the 1927 film? probably	Aug 09 15:49
msb__	_IT -- The Thing_	Aug 09 15:49
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msb__	I was listening to an audiobook of World of Ptavvs, about an alien that could control minds, make others its slaves. And I fell asleep, and was dreaming about it, and then heard a shriek -- the Wilhelm Scream -- which my IRC client makes when someone writes my nick. It was scary!	Aug 09 15:56
MinceR	lol	Aug 09 15:58
MinceR	apparently the "It" i meant was not a movie, but a miniseries	Aug 09 15:58
msb__	Copying and file-sharing should be encouraged! So some part of our civilization will remain after the US government starts WW3.	Aug 09 15:59
msb__	Will remain for aliens to find after the radiation dies down.	Aug 09 16:00
msb__	Yikes! Raspberry Pi is on Linux 4.1, and I'm still on 2.6!	Aug 09 16:01
msb__	I'll bet cubexyz has me beat, though...	Aug 09 16:02
cubexyz	I run Unix v5, v6, v7, quasijarus, and there's BL3 which has a Linux 2.2 kernel	Aug 09 16:03
msb__	Don't you run some kind of Linux on 12AX7s?	Aug 09 16:03
msb__	Those little dual-triodes with the warm orange glow.	Aug 09 16:04
msb__	You could make a Turing Machine with them and a mercury delay-line, then run Linux on that.	Aug 09 16:05
msb__	Once it booted up, it would be fast enough for command-line (if you were patient).	Aug 09 16:06
msb__	I'm thinking of how to compute after the Apocalypse.	Aug 09 16:07
MinceR	it's more likely that putin will start ww3	Aug 09 16:08
MinceR	or some fundies in the middle east	Aug 09 16:08
MinceR	the aliens can probably use our radio broadcasts	Aug 09 16:08
msb__	How to say "Hello World" after we've killed the World.	Aug 09 16:09
MinceR	we can't, we'll be dead	Aug 09 16:09
MinceR	would be nice if we could create a strong AI to do so though :>	Aug 09 16:09
cubexyz	AI is an utter joke	Aug 09 16:10
msb__	Oh joy! Skynet will survive!	Aug 09 16:10
MinceR	even skynet would be better than humans :>	Aug 09 16:10
msb__	Well, It thinks so.	Aug 09 16:10
MinceR	it's probably more rational than most humans	Aug 09 16:11
cubexyz	basically there is no AI	Aug 09 16:11
msb__	Certainly more consistent.	Aug 09 16:11
cubexyz	just fancy text processors	Aug 09 16:11
cubexyz	and expert systems	Aug 09 16:11
cubexyz	useful, but nothing like strong AI	Aug 09 16:12
msb__	That's what aliens think about _us_!	Aug 09 16:12
msb__	Text processors with a sex drive.	Aug 09 16:12
msb__	Note folks, I did not take the "Putin" bait.	Aug 09 16:13
MinceR	i don't take all the baits either	Aug 09 16:14
msb__	Even though Putin destroyed Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria.	Aug 09 16:14
msb__	Oh, wait.	Aug 09 16:14
msb__	:>	Aug 09 16:15
MinceR	looks like our resident nashist takes more baits than he'd like to admit	Aug 09 16:16
XRevan86	Нашисты!	Aug 09 16:16
XRevan86	Oh wait	Aug 09 16:16
XRevan86	no, exactly that	Aug 09 16:16
XRevan86	MinceR: Nashist?	Aug 09 16:16
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashism	Aug 09 16:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Nashism - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Aug 09 16:17
XRevan86	MinceR: Which ones do you refer to?	Aug 09 16:18
MinceR	see the link	Aug 09 16:18
XRevan86	MinceR: The explanation of the word is not totally accurate, by the way :).	Aug 09 16:18
MinceR	well, i make do with what i can find	Aug 09 16:18
XRevan86	MinceR: Nashi (ours) + fascist	Aug 09 16:19
XRevan86	that's the pun	Aug 09 16:19
XRevan86	"Nashist" is a valid word though so that makes the pun harder to see.	Aug 09 16:20
msb__	One-L lama is a priest, two-L llama is a beast, I will bet a silk pajama that there is no 3-L lllama.	Aug 09 16:21
XRevan86	but the pointlessness of the "nashism" as a ideological word gives the pun back :)	Aug 09 16:21
msb__	There was also the Nash Rambler car.	Aug 09 16:21
XRevan86	ournism	Aug 09 16:22
MinceR	we'll all end up in "ourns"? :>	Aug 09 16:22
msb__	It's mine! All mine!	Aug 09 16:22
cubexyz	I was wondering if it referred to John Nash :)	Aug 09 16:23
XRevan86	Our as in our people	Aug 09 16:23
cubexyz	if civilization really did fall then recreating computers won't be the first priority	Aug 09 16:24
msb__	First find a pot to piss in. Then recreate computers!	Aug 09 16:26
msb__	Maybe the CIA poisoned John Nash because he was working on game theory.	Aug 09 16:26
cubexyz	it would all depend on far civilization collapsed of course	Aug 09 16:27
cubexyz	I don't think things would go back to the stone age	Aug 09 16:27
cubexyz	there's just too much stuff for it all to disappear	Aug 09 16:27
msb__	Right. If our dicks fell off we wouldn't need a pot.	Aug 09 16:27
XRevan86	cubexyz: Destroy all the electrostations.	Aug 09 16:28
XRevan86	and organization	Aug 09 16:28
XRevan86	and loot everything else	Aug 09 16:28
XRevan86	cubexyz: Done.	Aug 09 16:28
XRevan86	It's stone age	Aug 09 16:28
msb__	Horse thievery again becomes the ultimate crime.	Aug 09 16:29
cubexyz	woodcraft wouldn't disappear, but you would need tools	Aug 09 16:30
cubexyz	so yeah, hammers, saws, chisels	Aug 09 16:30
cubexyz	people would loot all that stuff	Aug 09 16:31
XRevan86	cubexyz: Yeah, that would hard to loot.	Aug 09 16:31
XRevan86	cubexyz: Then, we need to urbanise everybody.	Aug 09 16:31
XRevan86	first	Aug 09 16:32
msb__	Everybody who wasn't carbonised.	Aug 09 16:32
cubexyz	I'd say humans are too selfish for MAD to occur	Aug 09 16:33
cubexyz	unless some crazy accident happens	Aug 09 16:33
msb__	But psychopaths aren't human.	Aug 09 16:34
msb__	Hardware is, software isn't.	Aug 09 16:34
MinceR	unfortunately, some of the most popular religions "teach" people that their death is not something to avoid	Aug 09 16:34
MinceR	and those fundies have nukes	Aug 09 16:35
msb__	And other people's deaths are something to be desired.	Aug 09 16:35
msb__	Trouble is, loving Christians have murdered a lot more people than Evil Moslems, at least lately.	Aug 09 16:37
MinceR	well, that other people's deaths are to be desired is an even more popular belief	Aug 09 16:38
cubexyz	how long until the population starts contracting is an interesting question	Aug 09 16:38
MinceR	i think it's more interesting how quickly it will contract	Aug 09 16:39
cubexyz	since the doomsday scenarios are unlikely	Aug 09 16:39
msb__	Maybe they'll decide that if a little circumcision is good, a lot is even better, and they will be self-limiting.	Aug 09 16:39
MinceR	lol	Aug 09 16:40
MinceR	if only	Aug 09 16:40
MinceR	but it seems that human societies do everything they can to avoid a slow, controllable contraction	Aug 09 16:40
MinceR	they want a catastrophic one	Aug 09 16:40
msb__	Unlikely? Israel, with its 400 nukes, is threatening to nuke Iran if it makes only one.	Aug 09 16:40
cubexyz	mindless posturing	Aug 09 16:40
cubexyz	they won't	Aug 09 16:41
cubexyz	same reason why there's been no nuking of cities since Nagasaki	Aug 09 16:42
MinceR	maybe the islamists will start instead	Aug 09 16:42
msb__	Israelis have rained down nerve gas and white phosphorus on Gaza schoolchildren. Are you sure they won't?	Aug 09 16:42
cubexyz	small change compared to nuking a city	Aug 09 16:43
cubexyz	people really do fear nukes	Aug 09 16:44
MinceR	except the people who believe they're going to heaven	Aug 09 16:44
msb__	Bomb the Kaaba with pig juice. That'll fix them!	Aug 09 16:44
MinceR	and their enemies are going to hell	Aug 09 16:44
MinceR	lol	Aug 09 16:44
cubexyz	the fear massive retaliation of the counter-nuke	Aug 09 16:44
cubexyz	s/the/they/	Aug 09 16:44
cubexyz	conventional warfare, even chemical weapons is one thing	Aug 09 16:45
cubexyz	nuking a city is a whole different level	Aug 09 16:45
MinceR	no, they don't fear retaliation because they believe that sends them to heaven	Aug 09 16:46
msb__	It's only the few percent that are psychopaths that want to end the human race. The rest of us enjoy living.	Aug 09 16:46
cubexyz	just because some folks believe in an afterlife doesn't mean they don't enjoy living, or having families	Aug 09 16:47
cubexyz	you just have a certain small percentage of really crazy extremists	Aug 09 16:48
msb__	Yes, you'd think the insane Moslem religion would lead to lots of murders by Moslems, but it's Christians and Jews that are doing almost all of it.	Aug 09 16:48
cubexyz	Nash Equilibrium to use another term	Aug 09 16:49
cubexyz	the attacker doesn't attack with nukes because the result would be the complete annihilation of both attacker and defender	Aug 09 16:49
msb__	The Christians and Jews use the Moslems as a handy excuse for war profiteering.	Aug 09 16:49
MinceR	their religion tells them life doesn't matter and they'll enjoy the afterlife more	Aug 09 16:50
msb__	But it's the US that's been murdering everybody, and it's leader isn't a Moslem.	Aug 09 16:51
msb__	Oh, wait.	Aug 09 16:51
XRevan86	Every religion tells lies. What more is there one need to dislike?	Aug 09 16:51
msb__	Capitalism/Imperialism is the most murderous religion.	Aug 09 16:52
msb__	Kill everyone who threatens the profits.	Aug 09 16:53
msb__	The profits are much more evil than the prophets.	Aug 09 16:53
MinceR	it's a pity the eastern bloc "threatens the profits" of russia	Aug 09 16:53
msb__	It doesn't. Russia has all of Asia to trade with.	Aug 09 16:54
msb__	French farmers are pissed because Russia isn't buying their produce, because of the US sanctions,	Aug 09 16:56
msb__	With Russia now joining up with China and India and points East, if the US tries to hurt Russia economically, they can just give it a big Fuck You.	Aug 09 16:57
XRevan86	> if the US tries to hurt Russia economically	Aug 09 16:58
XRevan86	Um, it already does. Not good enough, but does.	Aug 09 16:58
msb__	Are you finding any loss of goods these days?	Aug 09 16:59
XRevan86	msb__: Well, things are getting expensive.	Aug 09 16:59
XRevan86	Not as expensive as in Ukraine these days though.	Aug 09 16:59
XRevan86	so I don't really see the point	Aug 09 16:59
msb__	They US doesn't care at all about Ukraine. They're just using it as a way to attack Russia.	Aug 09 17:00
msb__	At least annoy Russia.	Aug 09 17:01
XRevan86	msb__: Since Ukraine doesn't get any sufficient economical help from them after the fact, it really seems so.	Aug 09 17:01
XRevan86	Gosh, Ukrainians really thought they will live by EU standards	Aug 09 17:02
XRevan86	but now they can't catch up with Russian ones	Aug 09 17:02
msb__	Yeah, EU doesn't give a shit either.	Aug 09 17:04
MinceR	hungarians already gave up on that	Aug 09 17:04
msb__	Maybe if you started calling yourselves Wellfedians...	Aug 09 17:05
MinceR	har har	Aug 09 17:06
MinceR	most hungarians wouldn't get that joke	Aug 09 17:06
msb__	I really think that if you got rid of Orban and joined up with Eurasia you'd do better. They are much more honest traders these days than the West.	Aug 09 17:08
MinceR	you will see how wrong you are	Aug 09 17:08
MinceR	all our nazis are in love with putler and want to be kicked out of the EU	Aug 09 17:09
MinceR	though maybe putler will put the country on life support in exchange for slaves	Aug 09 17:09
msb__	At least I'm not worried that Putin is hiding under my bed.	Aug 09 17:09
msb__	There's no room with Obama there.	Aug 09 17:09
MinceR	(not that he'll afford to if oil prices drop further)	Aug 09 17:09
XRevan86	MinceR: I guess your nazis like the aura of the strong hand that media for some reason gives about Putin.	Aug 09 17:10
MinceR	yeah, they love their concept of "strength" and "order"	Aug 09 17:10
MinceR	(generally known as fascism)	Aug 09 17:10
XRevan86	MinceR: At least somebody things Russia has that :).	Aug 09 17:10
XRevan86	* thinks	Aug 09 17:10
XRevan86	(seriously, order???)	Aug 09 17:11
MinceR	also, hungary will be a lot less useful to putin if it gets kicked out of the EU and the NATO	Aug 09 17:11
MinceR	(as a spy)	Aug 09 17:11
msb__	How is Hungary useful to Putin?	Aug 09 17:11
MinceR	so i think our nazis are setting themselves up for a big disappointment	Aug 09 17:11
MinceR	msb__: as an EU member, it can lobby for russia; as a NATO member, it can leak NATO secrets to russia	Aug 09 17:12
msb__	Sole supplier of goulash?	Aug 09 17:12
MinceR	i don't think learning how to cook goulash is that hard	Aug 09 17:12
XRevan86	MinceR: I'm not sure Russia needs lobbying in EU.	Aug 09 17:12
XRevan86	> it can leak NATO secrets to russia	Aug 09 17:12
MinceR	XRevan86: yet they appear to be getting it	Aug 09 17:12
MinceR	most famously via jobbik	Aug 09 17:12
XRevan86	On a government official stage?	Aug 09 17:12
MinceR	perhaps not on a government official stage yet	Aug 09 17:13
MinceR	though iirc orban lobbied for them too	Aug 09 17:13
msb__	This channel is so educational. I keep having to look things up!	Aug 09 17:15
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9la_Kov%C3%A1cs_%28politician,_1960%29	Aug 09 17:16
MinceR	the most famous example	Aug 09 17:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Béla Kovács (politician, 1960) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/neccf ]		Aug 09 17:16
MinceR	funny how fidesz pretends they don't do the exact same thing	Aug 09 17:17
msb__	Jobbik leader: Addressing their remarks to Hungarian Jews the comment poster stated that they "would be glad if the so-called proud Hungarian Jews went back to playing with their tiny circumcised dicks instead of vilifying me."	Aug 09 17:18
msb__	They don't like gays either.	Aug 09 17:18
msb__	MinceR: But they give NATO secrets to Russia?	Aug 09 17:19
MinceR	even though they obviously do: http://hungarytoday.hu/news/orban-russian-sanctions-shot-leg	Aug 09 17:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hungarytoday.hu \| Orbán: Russian Sanctions "Shot in Our Own Leg" - Hungary Today [ http://ur1.ca/necdf ]		Aug 09 17:19
MinceR	msb__: i don't know for sure, but i strongly suspect it	Aug 09 17:19
MinceR	obviously that would not be publicized	Aug 09 17:19
MinceR	it's an obvious way in which hungary can be useful to putler	Aug 09 17:19
MinceR	putin doesn't like gays having rights either	Aug 09 17:20
msb__	Bela Kovacs was an actor in Space Patrol. He played the evil Prince Baccarratti !	Aug 09 17:21
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msb__	Ooh he was so evil!	Aug 09 17:22
MinceR	not necessarily the same bela kovacs	Aug 09 17:23
MinceR	kovacs is one of the most common hungarian last names (means smith)	Aug 09 17:23
MinceR	bela is a common first name	Aug 09 17:23
MinceR	(the disambiguation parameters in the parentheses also hint on many articles on different people with that name existing)	Aug 09 17:24
msb__	I figured not the same one.	Aug 09 17:24
msb__	But that's Orban? He looks as evil as Prince Baccarratti !	Aug 09 17:25
cubexyz	are more people using Chromebooks/Linux/FOSS in Hungary and Russia now?	Aug 09 17:25
MinceR	screenshot if IE in disguise: http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1439103616123.png	Aug 09 17:25
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cubexyz	it seems to be increasing here in Canada	Aug 09 17:25
MinceR	cubexyz: probably more so in russia	Aug 09 17:25
MinceR	hungarians love m$ and crApple crap	Aug 09 17:25
MinceR	shops tend to avoid stocking anything that runs gnu/linux	Aug 09 17:26
XRevan86	cubexyz: I've never seen a Chromebook outside Linux Fest.	Aug 09 17:26
cubexyz	hmmm	Aug 09 17:26
MinceR	the russian government seems to have enough of a clue to recognize that FLOSS can help their national security	Aug 09 17:26
MinceR	hungarians seem to be stuck with "m$ is all we 'learned' at school and crApple is so hip"	Aug 09 17:27
XRevan86	MinceR: You know, russian government has a problem with guts.	Aug 09 17:27
MinceR	our politicians bragged about writing their shitty laws on hypePads	Aug 09 17:27
MinceR	oblivious to the severe national security issues	Aug 09 17:27
msb__	Some of those Chromebooks look like the best and cheapest laptops anywhere: http://www.techradar.com/us/news/mobile-computing/laptops/best-chromebooks-top-5-chromebooks-in-the-us-1233696	Aug 09 17:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techradar.com \| 10 Best Chromebooks 2015: top Chromebooks reviewed \| TechRadar [ http://ur1.ca/ndnut ]		Aug 09 17:27
XRevan86	Apple PC's are not popular gladly	Aug 09 17:28
MinceR	the lenovo chromebook n20p looked interesting and attractive	Aug 09 17:28
XRevan86	but iPhone's and iPad's is a thing I'm so sick of	Aug 09 17:28
MinceR	unsurprisingly, it's unavailable	Aug 09 17:28
XRevan86	and Windows Phone, great maker	Aug 09 17:28
msb__	Governments shouldn't have secrets anyhow.	Aug 09 17:28
XRevan86	Why do I continue to see Windows Phone?	Aug 09 17:28
cubexyz	why do I see a lot of my friends use windows 10? It's disappointing for sure	Aug 09 17:29
msb__	Putler is hooked up with the greatest evil in the world -- Microsoft!	Aug 09 17:30
XRevan86	Maybe Russians love to buy crappy very cheap Android's and then replace them with iPhone's and Windows Phone's.	Aug 09 17:30
MinceR	hypeOS doesn't merely enable crApple to spy on governments	Aug 09 17:30
MinceR	and even if it only did that, crApple finding out government secrets doesn't help citizens, it only helps crApple	Aug 09 17:31
msb__	XRevan86: Do you have a website? You should tell other Russians about this stuff.	Aug 09 17:31
XRevan86	cubexyz: That I see as well. But there's more, as I said.	Aug 09 17:31
msb__	Workers of the World Arise! Use FOSS!	Aug 09 17:32
XRevan86	msb__: I'm not good at telling. The only audience I'd be able to reach will not be interested in such infomation: IT geeks.	Aug 09 17:32
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MinceR	even the cheapest, crappiest android device is more functional than any hypeOS device or winblows phone	Aug 09 17:32
XRevan86	MinceR: Apparently you haven't seen a crappy Android phone :).	Aug 09 17:32
MinceR	XRevan86: it's still an open platform	Aug 09 17:33
cubexyz	I still have to do the odd win95 job :-/	Aug 09 17:33
MinceR	and hypeOS and its clones are still closed	Aug 09 17:33
XRevan86	MinceR: It hurts the user so user blames Android.	Aug 09 17:33
cubexyz	strange how a few people still use it, but who am I to talk	Aug 09 17:33
msb__	XRevan86: But IT geeks are the ones who most need to know about how bad Apple and MS are. Then they'll tell others.	Aug 09 17:33
msb__	And you are good at explaining stuff to us.	Aug 09 17:34
XRevan86	msb__: You don't need my IT explaining, you already have a FOSS basis.	Aug 09 17:35
XRevan86	and so does anybody else I communicate with	Aug 09 17:35
msb__	But you explain political stuff.	Aug 09 17:35
MinceR	232713 < XRevan86> MinceR: You know, russian government has a problem with guts.	Aug 09 17:35
MinceR	what problem?	Aug 09 17:35
XRevan86	MinceR: Govenment of Russian Federation doesn't like to make serious decisions.	Aug 09 17:36
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XRevan86	MinceR: Russia didn't do anything in the times of Ushenko when the same thing happend.	Aug 09 17:38
XRevan86	and now it suddenly… did, that was a surprise to me as well	Aug 09 17:38
MinceR	ushenko doesn't ring a bell	Aug 09 17:39
XRevan86	MinceR: Colour revolution in Ukraine	Aug 09 17:39
XRevan86	the orange one	Aug 09 17:39
MinceR	ic	Aug 09 17:39
MinceR	that's more familiar to me	Aug 09 17:39
XRevan86	in 2004	Aug 09 17:40
XRevan86	MinceR: That's the first time when Ukraine started to suck.	Aug 09 17:40
XRevan86	and so they've elected Yanukovich, because Ushenko failed	Aug 09 17:40
MinceR	ic	Aug 09 17:41
XRevan86	in the second election in 2010 Ushenko took a fourth place	Aug 09 17:41
msb__	Was Ushenko backed by US?	Aug 09 17:41
XRevan86	msb__: Every coloured revolution was.	Aug 09 17:42
MinceR	oh, yushchenko	Aug 09 17:42
XRevan86	"ch" again?	Aug 09 17:43
XRevan86	First Khrushchev, then Yushchenko	Aug 09 17:43
XRevan86	Puchtin?	Aug 09 17:44
msb__	sh-ch makes two separate syllables (at least in english)	Aug 09 17:44
XRevan86	msb__: And so it does in Russian.	Aug 09 17:44
XRevan86	and I don't understand where from it comes	Aug 09 17:45
XRevan86	Hrushov, Yushenko, that's accurate enough.	Aug 09 17:45
MinceR	щ	Aug 09 17:45
XRevan86	sh	Aug 09 17:45
msb__	Alien interdimensional grammatic insertion. Very sneaky.	Aug 09 17:45
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%A9	Aug 09 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Shcha - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Aug 09 17:45
cubexyz	Nikita Khrushchev	Aug 09 17:46
MinceR	apparently the 'ch' part has weakened over time	Aug 09 17:46
cubexyz	that's how it transliterates to english	Aug 09 17:46
XRevan86	MinceR: To the non-existence.	Aug 09 17:46
XRevan86	cubexyz: And that I don't understand.	Aug 09 17:46
MinceR	i was never told this	Aug 09 17:46
MinceR	even though i did learn a bit of russian	Aug 09 17:46
msb__	Aliens don't want you to know!	Aug 09 17:47
MinceR	illegal aliens?	Aug 09 17:47
XRevan86	MinceR: Russianmen in New York?	Aug 09 17:47
cubexyz	this might help:	Aug 09 17:48
cubexyz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Romanization_of_Russian	Aug 09 17:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Romanization of Russian - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/necl3 ]		Aug 09 17:48
MinceR	apparently redcrap is killing gtk: https://igurublog.wordpress.com/2014/01/25/gtk-fesses-up-this-aint-for-you-qt-takes-over-the-world/	Aug 09 17:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-igurublog.wordpress.com \| GTK fesses up – this ain’t for you; Qt takes over the world « IgnorantGuru's Blog [ http://ur1.ca/necl5 ]		Aug 09 17:48
msb__	Reptilians disguised as humans. Zipper down the back of their neck.	Aug 09 17:48
cubexyz	MinceR, we still use gtk 2 in the openbsd world	Aug 09 17:48
XRevan86	cubexyz: I'm better than the formal transcription: I know how to speak :P.	Aug 09 17:48
MinceR	cubexyz: probably for the best	Aug 09 17:49
MinceR	Rasputin: "Would you kids slow down!!"	Aug 09 17:49
MinceR	Yakko: "Why? Everyone else is Russian around here!"	Aug 09 17:49
XRevan86	Who's Yakko?	Aug 09 17:50
cubexyz	you can't kill anyone really	Aug 09 17:50
cubexyz	if someone wants to use gtk 2 they use gtk 2	Aug 09 17:50
MinceR	one of the Warner Brothers from Animaniacs	Aug 09 17:50
cubexyz	sorry, any toolkit I should say	Aug 09 17:50
MinceR	that's a relief	Aug 09 17:50
MinceR	i thought i couldn't kill anyone	Aug 09 17:51
XRevan86	MinceR: Is Rasputin an Animaniac as well :D	Aug 09 17:51
cubexyz	haha, Rasputin was in World Heroes II for Neo Geo :)	Aug 09 17:52
MinceR	xrno	Aug 09 17:52
MinceR	XRevan86: no, though he did appear on the show	Aug 09 17:52
MinceR	rasputin also appears in a Pathfinder RPG module	Aug 09 17:52
cubexyz	I don't think ff uses gnome 3	Aug 09 17:53
cubexyz	GTK 2.18 or higher	Aug 09 17:53
XRevan86	Firefox's port to Gtk3 is ready.	Aug 09 17:54
cubexyz	there was a firefox for qt3	Aug 09 17:57
XRevan86	cubexyz: Now this is ready. Though Mozilla says the won't abandon Gtk2 for any time soon.	Aug 09 17:57
cubexyz	ok good	Aug 09 17:58
msb__	Rasputin was in a great movie Horror Express with ChristopherLee and PeterCushing. Ooh it is so good! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horror_Express	Aug 09 17:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Horror Express - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/necnu ]		Aug 09 17:58
cubexyz	I wonder if trinity has a browser	Aug 09 17:59
XRevan86	msb__: He also was in a good song by Dschinghis Khan.	Aug 09 17:59
cubexyz	I assume it does	Aug 09 17:59
XRevan86	cubexyz: Konqueror	Aug 09 17:59
msb__	Horror Express is in youtube! Several copies of the full movie!	Aug 09 18:00
XRevan86	Apparently the stuff about Rasputin in the song is crap but it still rocks.	Aug 09 18:01
MinceR	:)	Aug 09 18:02
cubexyz	ok, firefox-qt is not recommended	Aug 09 18:05
cubexyz	it's just too old	Aug 09 18:06
cubexyz	nothing seems to age faster than a web browser	Aug 09 18:06
MinceR	the way firefox is headed, 'old' might be a good thing	Aug 09 18:06
cubexyz	I use firefox 16.0.2 and I like it	Aug 09 18:06
cubexyz	I forget how old that is	Aug 09 18:06
cubexyz	my gtk on one box is too old for new ff	Aug 09 18:07
cubexyz	this box doesn't have enough ram :)	Aug 09 18:07
cubexyz	so I don't even try... dillo only instead	Aug 09 18:07
msb__	Firefox is good because people have written so many plug-ins and add-ons for it.	Aug 09 18:10
XRevan86	even addons to disable all the crap	Aug 09 18:11
XRevan86	Classic Theme Restorer is a must-have.	Aug 09 18:11
cubexyz	I have theme font and sizer changer	Aug 09 18:12
cubexyz	so yeah, very customizable	Aug 09 18:13
XRevan86	My Firefox looks like this: http://cdn.img42.com/191e855f4e70fd777e78aab94c79cb09.png	Aug 09 18:22
cubexyz	so that's where your nick comes from :)	Aug 09 18:24
XRevan86	cubexyz: What do you mean? :)	Aug 09 18:24
cubexyz	I thought the Sith would be windows 10 users :)	Aug 09 18:25
XRevan86	cubexyz: I was young and stupid %).	Aug 09 18:25
XRevan86	and impressed by KOTOR	Aug 09 18:25
XRevan86	These dark times, year 2008.	Aug 09 18:26
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/current-firefox-linux.png	Aug 09 18:28
XRevan86	cubexyz: oh my	Aug 09 18:28
XRevan86	cubexyz: Google	Aug 09 18:28
XRevan86	even gmail	Aug 09 18:29
cubexyz	I don't know what youngsters use :)	Aug 09 18:29
XRevan86	cubexyz: https://startpage.com/	Aug 09 18:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-startpage.com \| Startpage Web Search		Aug 09 18:29
cubexyz	what, you dont like gmail	Aug 09 18:29
XRevan86	&& https://openmailbox.org/	Aug 09 18:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.openmailbox.org \| Openmailbox.org - Free messaging		Aug 09 18:29
cubexyz	google helps coreboot so I don't mind google	Aug 09 18:30
XRevan86	Microsoft helps Haskell :).	Aug 09 18:30
cubexyz	you could have commented on apl-1130 instead :)	Aug 09 18:30
XRevan86	Apple helps CUPS.	Aug 09 18:30
cubexyz	oh well	Aug 09 18:30
XRevan86	and llvm	Aug 09 18:31
cubexyz	ok, fair point	Aug 09 18:31
cubexyz	I will check out openmailbox	Aug 09 18:31
XRevan86	cubexyz: And Startpage? :)	Aug 09 18:32
cubexyz	yes	Aug 09 18:32
XRevan86	cubexyz: I have no idea what apl-1130 is :).	Aug 09 18:33
XRevan86	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/APL_%28programming_language%29 that?	Aug 09 18:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| APL (programming language) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/necwq ]		Aug 09 18:33
MinceR	nah, vista10 users can't take over the galaxy	Aug 09 18:33
XRevan86	> APL was first available in 1967 for the IBM 1130 as APL\1130	Aug 09 18:33
cubexyz	XRevan86, it refers to APL on one of the oldest systems that runs on an open source OS	Aug 09 18:33
cubexyz	DMS or Disk Monitor System Release 2	Aug 09 18:34
cubexyz	MinceR, I am sure that Vista11 will fix all the problems of Vista10 :)	Aug 09 18:35
MinceR	yeah, right	Aug 09 18:35
cubexyz	I still remembering lining up to see Star Wars in 1977	Aug 09 18:39
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XRevan86	Vista10, Vista11, Vista100, Vista101, Vista110…	Aug 09 18:45
msb__	The Creature in Horror Express is an immaterial alien being that has to possess a mammalian body, but it can jump from one to another, hard-boiling the host's eyeballs as it goes. My favorite line is spoken by Rasputin (named something else, but looks like Rasputin, or Richard Stallman) who says, "Come into _me_, Satan!"	Aug 09 18:46
XRevan86	Good night, comrades :).	Aug 09 18:47
cubexyz	nite	Aug 09 18:48
msb__	XRevan86: Good night, and Long Live the Revolution!	Aug 09 18:48
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MinceR	"Come	Aug 09 18:58
MinceR	into _me_, Satan!"	Aug 09 18:58
MinceR	that's what she said.	Aug 09 18:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE and Akademy http://t.co/AR4FZ4IC6w	Aug 09 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 09 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nedcb	Aug 09 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| KDE and Akademy \| Tux Machines		Aug 09 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/HuZaWzPrXY	Aug 09 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 09 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nedcc	Aug 09 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's howtos \| Tux Machines		Aug 09 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/K1hxgYg9cc	Aug 09 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 09 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Aug 09 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nedcd	Aug 09 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Security Leftovers http://t.co/mL97f5HMyx	Aug 09 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 09 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nedce	Aug 09 19:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Security Leftovers \| Tux Machines		Aug 09 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Screenshots http://t.co/CjM4RvKBTa	Aug 09 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 09 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nedcg	Aug 09 19:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: OSS http://t.co/cdqLoKKysK	Aug 09 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 09 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nedch	Aug 09 19:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's leftovers http://t.co/yvwXYjbJaf	Aug 09 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 09 20:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| today's leftovers \| Tux Machines		Aug 09 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nedqn	Aug 09 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Fedora 23. Here's a quick look at some of the	Aug 09 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	highlights." http://t.co/B60rKJvQM4	Aug 09 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Aug 09 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nedqo	Aug 09 20:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Some Of The Changes To Be Found In Next Week's Fedora 23 Alpha Release - Phoronix		Aug 09 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.2-rc6 http://t.co/tV53tqOB2E	Aug 09 20:26
TweetTuxMachines	(lkml.iu.edu) http://t.co/59hd7hKzGM	Aug 09 20:26
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TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com) http://t.co/slsdpd75aD	Aug 09 20:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Linus Torvalds Is Happy Again with Linux Kernel 4.2 RC6 - Softpedia		Aug 09 20:27
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Aug 09 20:27
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nedqr	Aug 09 20:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Linux 4.2-rc6: The Kernel Is Settling Down, 4.2 Final Likely In Two Weeks - Phoronix		Aug 09 20:27
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 9/8/2015: GNOME Search for Executive	Aug 09 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	Director, Many Distro Screenshots, Linux 4.2 RC	Aug 09 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	6 http://t.co/y6nL9QLNIU (techrights.org)	Aug 09 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nedv4	Aug 09 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux 4.2-rc6 http://t.co/hUg2UoltT0	Aug 09 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 09 20:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| Links 9/8/2015: GNOME Search for Executive Director, Many Distro Screenshots, Linux 4.2 RC 6 \| Techrights		Aug 09 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nedv5	Aug 09 20:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Linux 4.2-rc6 \| Tux Machines		Aug 09 20:40
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "4MRecover 13.1 BETA released."	Aug 09 20:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/V8pe1Xjnqg	Aug 09 20:41
TweetTuxMachines	(4mlinux-releases.blogspot.co.uk)	Aug 09 20:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-4mlinux-releases.blogspot.co.uk \| 4MLinux Releases: 4MRecover 13.1 BETA released.		Aug 09 20:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nedv6	Aug 09 20:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ExTiX 15.3 with LXQt 0.90 and kernel	Aug 09 20:48
TweetTuxMachines	4.1.0-3-exton http://t.co/8MnUjeXUyH	Aug 09 20:48
TweetTuxMachines	(www.extix.se) another new release	Aug 09 20:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nedx8	Aug 09 20:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.extix.se \| ExTiX 15.3 with LXQt 0.90 and kernel 4.1.0-3-exton \| ExTiX :: The Ultimate Linux System		Aug 09 20:48
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "UEFI horror stories as their developers begin	Aug 09 20:48
TweetTuxMachines	retweeted by to take a more serious look at Debian and UEFI"	Aug 09 20:48
TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz http://t.co/3U5AgenHlo (www.phoronix.com)	Aug 09 20:48
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/YU2RYG3ERd (techrights.org)	Aug 09 20:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Debian Wants To Tackle UEFI, But They Need Your Help - Phoronix		Aug 09 20:48
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nedx5	Aug 09 20:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| UEFI - Techrights		Aug 09 20:48
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cubexyz	some folks are saying they run Ubuntu on a UEFI motherboard with secureboot enabled and it "works great"	Aug 09 20:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Homeworld Remastered Collection Is Not Coming	Aug 09 20:59
TweetTuxMachines	to Linux Just Yet	Aug 09 20:59
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/FmDHcYt4Ph (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 09 20:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nedzq	Aug 09 20:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Homeworld Remastered Collection Is Not Coming to Linux Just Yet - Softpedia		Aug 09 20:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "KDE Applications 15.08 RC is now available in	Aug 09 20:59
TweetTuxMachines	Mageia" http://t.co/qCWuFOkDNk	Aug 09 20:59
TweetTuxMachines	(mageia.nicolaslecureuil.fr)	Aug 09 20:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nedzr	Aug 09 20:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mageia.nicolaslecureuil.fr \| KDE Applications 15.08 RC \| from a kde POV		Aug 09 20:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BlackBerry Passport Silver Edition With Android	Aug 09 20:59
TweetTuxMachines	Leaked http://t.co/IT1tmN2oDt	Aug 09 20:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.ubergizmo.com \| BlackBerry Passport Silver Edition With Android Leaked \| Ubergizmo		Aug 09 20:59
TweetTuxMachines	(www.ubergizmo.com)	Aug 09 20:59
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nedzs	Aug 09 20:59
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google will take another shot at low-cost	Aug 09 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	Android One initiative http://t.co/koBIpoov2J	Aug 09 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	(www.theverge.com)	Aug 09 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nee7b	Aug 09 21:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.theverge.com \| Google will take another shot at low-cost Android One initiative \| The Verge		Aug 09 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Has No Plans to Support DEB-Based	Aug 09 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu Software Center http://t.co/FuZfbmAFpa	Aug 09 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Aug 09 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nee7c	Aug 09 21:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Canonical Has No Plans to Support DEB-Based Ubuntu Software Center - Softpedia		Aug 09 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Raspberry Pi Switches Over To Linux 4.1	Aug 09 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VoavWbGlj1 (www.phoronix.com)	Aug 09 21:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nee7d	Aug 09 21:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| Raspberry Pi Switches Over To Linux 4.1 - Phoronix		Aug 09 21:29
oiaohm	Really the no deb based software center makes sense.	Aug 09 21:30
oiaohm	but I would prefer it done distrobution netural.	Aug 09 21:30
cubexyz	distro watch is turning into a sea of ads	Aug 09 22:06
oiaohm	cubexyz: aparently adblocker eats them.	Aug 09 22:08
cubexyz	I don't mind ads if it's for computer hardware	Aug 09 22:08
cubexyz	but stuff like tampax, dummies books, car ads...	Aug 09 22:09
cubexyz	they should just put a donate button up instead	Aug 09 22:10
oiaohm	http://hackaday.com/2015/08/09/def-con-hdmi-cec-fuzzing/ This is interesting.	Aug 09 22:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-hackaday.com \| DEF CON: HDMI CEC Fuzzing \| Hackaday [ http://ur1.ca/neehh ]		Aug 09 22:10
cubexyz	I hear a rumour that some PVRs are getting hacked	Aug 09 22:12
cubexyz	all settings lost, all records lost, etc	Aug 09 22:12
oiaohm	That is not exactly new.	Aug 09 22:12
cubexyz	PVR on satellite?	Aug 09 22:13
oiaohm	http://oztoppy.wikidot.com/firmware-patching	Aug 09 22:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-oztoppy.wikidot.com \| Firmware Patching - Topfield PVRs in Australia [ http://ur1.ca/neeib ]		Aug 09 22:14
cubexyz	satellite with no internet connection hack would be interesting to see	Aug 09 22:14
oiaohm	PVR have not been the most secure things.	Aug 09 22:14
cubexyz	ok, oiaohm how about this...	Aug 09 22:14
oiaohm	Lot of PVR have internet functionality.	Aug 09 22:14
cubexyz	PVR connected to antenna :)	Aug 09 22:14
cubexyz	I like to see someone hack that	Aug 09 22:14
oiaohm	Ie internet to look up tv guide.	Aug 09 22:14
oiaohm	Any device internet connected without a good update policy is asking for it.	Aug 09 22:15
cubexyz	so the attack vector is always the same, e.g. the internet	Aug 09 22:15
oiaohm	Mostly the same.	Aug 09 22:15
oiaohm	Some people do direct attacks to spy on people and the like.	Aug 09 22:16
oiaohm	Also it does not have to be direct internet.	Aug 09 22:16
oiaohm	Lot of PVR have share recorded stuff to local lan.	Aug 09 22:17
oiaohm	So any braeched device in your locallan might attack it.	Aug 09 22:17
cubexyz	Bell PVR just encrypts everything	Aug 09 22:17
cubexyz	I don't think it can share anything	Aug 09 22:18
oiaohm	I did not say all of them.	Aug 09 22:18
cubexyz	actually I'm looking for a good PVR for my antenna setup	Aug 09 22:18
cubexyz	but I always end up just downloading stuff I want to see	Aug 09 22:18
oiaohm	Depends on the Bell PVR some are not encrypted at all.	Aug 09 22:21
oiaohm	http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1327804	Aug 09 22:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-ubuntuforums.org \| [ubuntu] Can I play my Bell Expressvu PVR files on Ubuntu? [ http://ur1.ca/neek3 ]		Aug 09 22:21
oiaohm	The issue is they are Linux boxes and the harddrives were formated ext3 that windows does not read.	Aug 09 22:21
oiaohm	So people called lots of them encrypted.	Aug 09 22:22
cubexyz	it's ext3 and it's encrypted... but I haven't verified that	Aug 09 22:22
cubexyz	that's what I heard anyway	Aug 09 22:22
oiaohm	Only some models are encrypted.	Aug 09 22:23
oiaohm	Some are just ext3	Aug 09 22:23
oiaohm	with pvr files that are standard mp4	Aug 09 22:23
cubexyz	is there a list of encrypted/not encrypted ones?	Aug 09 22:23
oiaohm	Unfortantly no.	Aug 09 22:38
oiaohm	I better reboot and remove the dead harddrive from this system	Aug 09 22:38
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cubexyz	damn, the internet is getting gummed up with crap	Aug 10 00:11
cubexyz	maybe 9200 wasn't encrypted... still researching	Aug 10 00:12
*TweetTuxMachines @subutux favourited 'Raspberry Pi Switches Over To Linux 4.1 http://t.co/VoavWbGlj1'		Aug 10 00:12
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cubexyz	oiaohm, maybe they don't encrypt some channels	Aug 10 00:13
cubexyz	maybe try an external hard drive, then plug that drive into linux	Aug 10 00:14
cubexyz	seems an easy experiment	Aug 10 00:15
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DaemonFC	https://www.amazon.com/forum/politics/ref=cm_cd_tfp_ef_tft_tp?_encoding=UTF8&cdForum=Fx1S3QSZRUL93V8&cdThread=Tx11CEZ5JWEVWU	Aug 10 01:01
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DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 10 01:02
DaemonFC	WE ARE THE WHITE RACE!	Aug 10 01:02
DaemonFC	WE ARE THE PERFECT <BOOM!!!>	Aug 10 01:02
DaemonFC	Something, something......owwwwww.	Aug 10 01:02
DaemonFC	Oh, this is nice.	Aug 10 01:20
DaemonFC	Windows 10 says "no driver for this device" for my printer.	Aug 10 01:21
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Jolla Tablet now shipping to developers,	Aug 10 03:41
TweetTuxMachines	heading to customers later this year	Aug 10 03:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/VjO0ECLZrg (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 10 03:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/negfd	Aug 10 03:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Jolla Tablet now shipping to developers, heading to customers later this year \| Tux Machines		Aug 10 03:41
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Throws Developers Under The Bus	Aug 10 03:41
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Y62x1HAnYk (mrpogson.com)	Aug 10 03:41
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/negfe	Aug 10 03:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mrpogson.com \| Canonical Throws Developers Under The Bus \| Robert Pogson		Aug 10 03:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ZorinOS 10 Lite and Business Editions Now	Aug 10 04:11
TweetTuxMachines	Available for Download - Screenshot Tour	Aug 10 04:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/uppxSxfRHx (linux.softpedia.com) ia	Aug 10 04:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/neglb	Aug 10 04:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-linux.softpedia.com \| Zorin OS 10 Lite and Business Editions Now Available for Download - Screenshot Tour - Softpedia		Aug 10 04:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Plasma 5.4 to Get a Massive Icon Boost to	Aug 10 04:11
TweetTuxMachines	3.000 Icons http://t.co/C9KOWOTVI7	Aug 10 04:11
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Aug 10 04:11
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| KDE Plasma 5.4 to Get a Massive Icon Boost to a Total of 3.000 - Softpedia		Aug 10 04:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/neglc	Aug 10 04:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines digiKam 4.12.0 Arrives with More than 140 Fixes	Aug 10 04:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/C9KOWOTVI7 (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 10 04:11
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/negle	Aug 10 04:11
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/ArmyofFirefox/status/630656603184730112	Aug 10 04:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@ArmyofFirefox: @schestowitz Sad to see you go :( Was there a particular issue? The support team can help: http://t.co/4jhfVWB20q #fxhelp		Aug 10 04:28
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DaemonFC	http://www.androidauthority.com/cortana-update-lets-you-replace-google-now-on-android-632567/	Aug 10 04:41
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*TweetTuxMachines @RamiSilawi retweeted @tuxmachines: 'KDE Plasma 5.4 to Get a Massive Icon...'		Aug 10 04:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Aquaris E5 Ubuntu phone launches globally, sans	Aug 10 04:57
TweetTuxMachines	4G or even 3G in US http://t.co/s8Qf8JzKtK	Aug 10 04:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.zdnet.com \| Aquaris E5 Ubuntu phone launches globally, sans 4G or even 3G in US \| ZDNet		Aug 10 04:57
TweetTuxMachines	(www.zdnet.com)	Aug 10 04:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/negw6	Aug 10 04:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fallout Shelter Game: Android App Release Date	Aug 10 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	August 13 http://t.co/hGM94yGLJU	Aug 10 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	(www.techtimes.com)	Aug 10 05:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com \| Fallout Shelter Game: Android App Release Date August 13 : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times		Aug 10 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/negya	Aug 10 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Apple’s Android apps move is likely a desperate	Aug 10 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	attempt to sell more Apple Watches	Aug 10 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/S1xQ75YQ68 (siliconangle.com)	Aug 10 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/negyb	Aug 10 05:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-siliconangle.com \| Apple’s Android apps move is likely a desperate attempt to sell more Apple Watches \| SiliconANGLE		Aug 10 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Debian/TeX Live 2015.20150810-1	Aug 10 05:09
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/1NvUNBblk8 (www.preining.info)	Aug 10 05:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/negyd	Aug 10 05:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.preining.info \| Debian/TeX Live 2015.20150810-1 \| There and back again		Aug 10 05:09
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Insurgency Tactical FPS Still Looking To	Aug 10 05:09
TweetTuxMachines	Support Linux, Developers Working On A Solution	Aug 10 05:09
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/tUSXWXBzWX (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Aug 10 05:09
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/negym	Aug 10 05:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| Insurgency Tactical FPS Still Looking To Support Linux, Developers Working On A Solution \| GamingOnLinux		Aug 10 05:09
*TweetTuxMachines @exocuted favourited 'Insurgency Tactical FPS Still Looking To Support Linux,...'		Aug 10 05:09
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schestowitz	[09:41] <DaemonFC> http://www.androidauthority.com/cortana-update-lets-you-replace-google-now-on-android-632567/	Aug 10 05:38
schestowitz	Replacing malware with malware	Aug 10 05:38
schestowitz	better kill both	Aug 10 05:38
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oiaohm	The fact you can replace google now with something else shows that google not using vendor install options.	Aug 10 06:08
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "Debian sid is currently largely uninstallable,	Aug 10 06:28
TweetTuxMachines	due to the GCC 5 transition"	Aug 10 06:28
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/CZvkSoVZrX (people.debian.org)	Aug 10 06:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nehgm	Aug 10 06:28
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://people.debian.org/~lunar/blog/posts/reproducible_builds_stretch_week_15/ )		Aug 10 06:28
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Jolla Tablet now shipping to developers,	Aug 10 06:29
TweetTuxMachines	heading to customers later this year	Aug 10 06:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/eLODL38JGX (liliputing.com)	Aug 10 06:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nehgo	Aug 10 06:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-liliputing.com \| Jolla Tablet now shipping to developers, heading to customers later this year - Liliputing		Aug 10 06:29
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Did you know: this was the first Android flip	Aug 10 06:29
TweetTuxMachines	phone ever and it was awesome for its time	Aug 10 06:29
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/BdLhhpM9Qd (www.phonearena.com)	Aug 10 06:29
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nehgp	Aug 10 06:29
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Did you know: this was the first Android flip	Aug 10 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	phone ever and it was awesome for its time	Aug 10 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/trVwJjo4OE (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 10 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nehvb	Aug 10 07:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Did you know: this was the first Android flip phone ever and it was awesome for its time \| Tux Machines		Aug 10 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Deb Nicholson Talks (What Else?) Software	Aug 10 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	Patents http://t.co/k6nuapJCxS	Aug 10 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 10 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nehvd	Aug 10 07:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: GNOME Software	Aug 10 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/qOsopSdhHm (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 10 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nehve	Aug 10 07:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: GNOME Software \| Tux Machines		Aug 10 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/pJiuRha8Jt	Aug 10 07:46
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 10 07:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nehx2	Aug 10 07:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Leftovers: Gaming \| Tux Machines		Aug 10 07:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu lets you buy Aquarius E5 no matter where	Aug 10 07:46
TweetTuxMachines	you live http://t.co/apiPoAppCx	Aug 10 07:46
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 10 07:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Ubuntu lets you buy Aquarius E5 no matter where you live \| Tux Machines		Aug 10 07:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nehx3	Aug 10 07:46
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Apple’s Android apps move is likely a desperate	Aug 10 07:46
TweetTuxMachines	attempt to sell more Apple Watches	Aug 10 07:46
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/ELjeDg16ks (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 10 07:46
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nehx4	Aug 10 07:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Apple’s Android apps move is likely a desperate attempt to sell more Apple Watches \| Tux Machines		Aug 10 07:46
*TweetTuxMachines @neozerdrakon retweeted @tuxmachines: 'Apple’s Android apps move is likely a desperate...'		Aug 10 08:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Gets LibreOffice 5.0 and Linux Kernel	Aug 10 08:45
TweetTuxMachines	4.2 RC5 http://t.co/MeXggjR8po	Aug 10 08:45
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Aug 10 08:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Manjaro Gets LibreOffice 5.0 and Linux Kernel 4.2 RC5 - Softpedia		Aug 10 08:45
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/neiai	Aug 10 08:45
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Nantes: “Change management key to switch to	Aug 10 08:58
TweetTuxMachines	free software" http://t.co/M9QjeM5rzx	Aug 10 08:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 10 08:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/neidq	Aug 10 08:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Nantes: “Change management key to switch to free software" \| Tux Machines		Aug 10 08:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ExTix 15.3 Is Ubuntu 15.04 Stripped of Unity	Aug 10 08:58
TweetTuxMachines	and with LXQt http://t.co/TppaHJGyaZ	Aug 10 08:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 10 08:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| ExTix 15.3 Is Ubuntu 15.04 Stripped of Unity and with LXQt \| Tux Machines		Aug 10 08:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/neidr	Aug 10 08:58
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Manjaro Gets LibreOffice 5.0 and Linux Kernel	Aug 10 08:58
TweetTuxMachines	4.2 RC5 http://t.co/v9PHiCvU5B	Aug 10 08:58
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 10 08:58
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/neids	Aug 10 08:58
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amarsh04	funnily enough (or logically enough), it's been easier to keep this machine running Debian free of systemd whilst keeping latest kernel and gcc owing to keeping the old KDE 3.5.9/10	Aug 10 10:23
amarsh04	needed one KDE library package recompiled to support current kernels and a few *no-systemd packages that someone had built	Aug 10 10:24
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oiaohm	amarsh04: really I have found logind useful for tracking down why at times particular windows managers would fail to restart.	Aug 10 10:54
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amarsh04	ok, thanks oiaohm	Aug 10 11:08
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oiaohm	amarsh04: note that is using consolekit2 or systemd	Aug 10 11:11
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MinceR	https://imgur.com/gallery/QdGJaR8	Aug 10 13:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-imgur.com \| Nailed it - Imgur		Aug 10 13:19
XRevan86	MinceR: I wonder what answer was he expecting :).	Aug 10 13:21
MinceR	:)	Aug 10 13:22
MinceR	i'm guessing AR15	Aug 10 13:23
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cubexyz	it appears that many older pre-HDTV PVRs did not encrypt content	Aug 10 14:17
cubexyz	and it's possible that certain channels are not encrypted, e.g. PBS, CBC	Aug 10 14:18
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/630807254120304640	Aug 10 14:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Arthur Schopenhauer #quote http://t.co/u9L0pN8oF9		Aug 10 14:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: The person who writes for fools is always sure of a large audience. Arthur Schopenhauer #quote http://t.co/u9L0pN8oF9		Aug 10 14:27
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/630807942510477312	Aug 10 14:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: @schestowitz No source as it is not #opensource ! Just a wish though. @Android @AndroidDev @androidcentral @androids @CyanogenMod		Aug 10 14:29
schestowitz	Too late now, Microsoft killed Nokia http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Nokia	Aug 10 14:29
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/RamiSilawi/status/630810859502047232	Aug 10 14:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@RamiSilawi: .@schestowitz Been on #Linux since 2002 - The day Linux #desktop will take personal computers is imminent. #GoLinux		Aug 10 14:48
cubexyz	I'd say Linux was a viable desktop since Redhat 5.2 was released in 1998	Aug 10 14:50
cubexyz	Yggdrasil Linux was Dec 1992 and you would have needed a fair amount of expertise to appreciate it	Aug 10 14:51
cubexyz	but you could have run a Unix on a desktop before that, but it didn't have a lot of the elements of a what we would now call a desktop	Aug 10 14:53
cubexyz	Venix 2.0 was released in 1984 and some hobbyists used it	Aug 10 14:54
cubexyz	in May 1983 the first version of Venix was released for the IBM XT	Aug 10 14:55
msb_	There was Qnx but it was expensive.	Aug 10 14:55
cubexyz	but all Venix was in those days was a slightly warmed over Unix v7 with some BSD elements added, no source code, no real graphics functionality to speak of... it wasn't very good	Aug 10 14:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines ExTix 15.3 Is Ubuntu 15.04 Stripped of Unity	Aug 10 14:57
TweetTuxMachines	and with LXQt http://t.co/F3NBN0PYMP	Aug 10 14:57
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Aug 10 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| ExTix 15.3 Is Ubuntu 15.04 Stripped of Unity and with LXQt - Softpedia		Aug 10 14:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nekrj	Aug 10 14:57
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Is This BlackBerry Passport Silver Edition	Aug 10 14:57
TweetTuxMachines	Really Running On Android?	Aug 10 14:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/EsYJmPjvF9 (www.techtimes.com)	Aug 10 14:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nekrk	Aug 10 14:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techtimes.com \| Is This BlackBerry Passport Silver Edition Really Running On Android? : PERSONAL TECH : Tech Times		Aug 10 14:57
cubexyz	thanks to scanned issues of Computer World magazine we know what the prices of Venix were back in 1984	Aug 10 14:58
MinceR	the qnx demo i tried couldn't even drive a mouse properly	Aug 10 14:59
msb_	I think VISA was using QNX when I was contract programming for them.	Aug 10 14:59
cubexyz	Venix/86 was $800... it ran on IBM XT, AT&T 6300, Zenith Data Systems, the TI Professional computer	Aug 10 15:00
msb_	Whoever it was did have it working.	Aug 10 15:00
cubexyz	it was all expensive, Xenix was around $1000 for a base system	Aug 10 15:00
cubexyz	the bad ol' 1980s	Aug 10 15:00
cubexyz	I never saw qnx in those days	Aug 10 15:01
msb_	I think QNX used message-passing for system calls. It was weird.	Aug 10 15:01
cubexyz	but evidently it was around back then	Aug 10 15:01
cubexyz	mostly I saw Xenix in the PC world	Aug 10 15:02
cubexyz	and a little bit of Venix...	Aug 10 15:02
MinceR	afaik all microkernel systems have to use message passing for system calls	Aug 10 15:03
MinceR	that said, iirc qnx has a really nice kind of message passing that avoids various issues with that	Aug 10 15:03
MinceR	(which is apparently also available for Linux without patching the kernel)	Aug 10 15:03
cubexyz	you actually could get device driver source code for Venix for an extra $1K	Aug 10 15:05
cubexyz	so don't complain too much about how things are now :)	Aug 10 15:05
MinceR	things are getting worse	Aug 10 15:07
cubexyz	I had my 'futuretron' 286 clone running Xenix in 1986.. believe me, it was worse than what we have now...	Aug 10 15:09
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/futuretron-286.jpg	Aug 10 15:10
cubexyz	no graphics, no sound, no source code, no tcp/ip stack	Aug 10 15:10
cubexyz	well, the speaker could do beeps	Aug 10 15:10
msb_	The problem I see is that Linux is becoming more and more complicated, because people keep "enhancing" it unnecessarily. Distro admins think that "newer" is always automatically "better".	Aug 10 15:12
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cubexyz	right, that is part of the modern problem	Aug 10 15:12
msb_	I think simpler is better.	Aug 10 15:12
MinceR	indeed	Aug 10 15:12
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cubexyz	really what you want doesn't exist now	Aug 10 15:13
cubexyz	you would have to go back to freebsd 2.0 to get that	Aug 10 15:13
msb_	I'm using a distro from four years ago.	Aug 10 15:14
MinceR	"Original Phoenix B10S" :)	Aug 10 15:14
MinceR	i'm using debian 7-derived distros	Aug 10 15:14
XRevan86	MinceR: Why?	Aug 10 15:15
cubexyz	you can't really say that's simple though	Aug 10 15:15
MinceR	and i'm doing things without systemd that the systemd apologists insist are impossible to do without systemd :>	Aug 10 15:15
MinceR	XRevan86: no real upgrade path yet	Aug 10 15:15
cubexyz	for simple you want Unix v7...	Aug 10 15:15
msb_	I'm still able to use recent software by compiling it in my account so it doesn't interfere with the existing system.	Aug 10 15:15
XRevan86	MinceR: Again why?	Aug 10 15:15
XRevan86	MinceR: It updates pretty simply.	Aug 10 15:15
MinceR	to what?	Aug 10 15:15
XRevan86	MinceR: Debian/Devuan 8	Aug 10 15:15
MinceR	devuan is not ready yet	Aug 10 15:15
MinceR	debian 8.x is an unreliable mess	Aug 10 15:16
XRevan86	MinceR: Pretty much ready.	Aug 10 15:16
cubexyz	you don't have to go Devuan... there's slackware and the BSDs	Aug 10 15:16
MinceR	on 2015-07-19 devuan still had lots of libsystemd0 dependencies	Aug 10 15:16
MinceR	those are supposed to be removed in the release	Aug 10 15:16
XRevan86	MinceR: I'll forget about Devuan completely if they'll do that in the only way I see it can be done	Aug 10 15:17
XRevan86	MinceR: You still didn't convince me that's an actual problem.	Aug 10 15:18
MinceR	in any case, devuan will make a good stratum under bedrock :)	Aug 10 15:18
MinceR	XRevan86: i've given up on convincing people about what is right in IT	Aug 10 15:19
MinceR	the fall of gnu/linux showed the danger of having one's platform get too popular	Aug 10 15:19
XRevan86	MinceR: It's not a "what is right" issue, it's a "what can be done but reasonable effort" one.	Aug 10 15:19
cubexyz	or even EXE Linux	Aug 10 15:19
cubexyz	http://exegnulinux.net	Aug 10 15:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-exegnulinux.net \| Exe GNU/Linux - Debian GNU/Linux with a Devon flavour from Exmouth		Aug 10 15:19
XRevan86	Devon flavour?	Aug 10 15:20
cubexyz	I guess they mean Devuan	Aug 10 15:20
MinceR	first i misread that as Devuan flavour	Aug 10 15:20
MinceR	:)	Aug 10 15:20
XRevan86	MinceR: By the way, libsystemd0 was introduced in Debian 7	Aug 10 15:21
msb_	Big problem due to systemd acceptance: application programs that have been poisoned with systemd dependency won't run without systemd, or require intimate knowledge of the app and patching it.	Aug 10 15:21
XRevan86	MinceR: Did you get your current systems on having libsystemd0.	Aug 10 15:21
cubexyz	ok... do you have a list of applications that require systemd?	Aug 10 15:22
cubexyz	because I can't think of any	Aug 10 15:22
msb_	No. But people talk about apps being "churned".	Aug 10 15:22
msb_	Maybe the problem isn't so bad, and what dependencies there are can be shimmed.	Aug 10 15:23
XRevan86	msb_: That reminds me of a recent talk about runit-churned apps.	Aug 10 15:24
msb_	XRevan86: How do apps get churned by the init system?	Aug 10 15:24
MinceR	XRevan86: yeah, i know	Aug 10 15:24
MinceR	and i wish to be rid of it	Aug 10 15:24
XRevan86	msb_: In a stupid commercial way :).	Aug 10 15:24
XRevan86	MinceR: What will change when you upgrade to Devuan 8?	Aug 10 15:25
cubexyz	there's SysV style termio	Aug 10 15:25
MinceR	XRevan86: dunno, that's very far away	Aug 10 15:25
cubexyz	that's still the case today	Aug 10 15:25
MinceR	devuan 1.0 is not out yet	Aug 10 15:25
cubexyz	so you could write a termio hexeditor or something and it won't compile on BSD	Aug 10 15:25
MinceR	also, my base system will probably be further depoetterized, via bedrock and funtoo or gentoo	Aug 10 15:25
XRevan86	MinceR: It works. What do you expect from a Devian derive that only removes systemd stuff?	Aug 10 15:26
XRevan86	Debian* :)	Aug 10 15:26
MinceR	to remove systemd stuff	Aug 10 15:26
MinceR	i don't expect them to remove pulseaudio, udisks2, polkit or consolekit	Aug 10 15:26
MinceR	i'll do that as my own project and see how functional my system can be that way	Aug 10 15:26
msb_	MinceR: Didn't we get along without that stuff in the past?	Aug 10 15:28
MinceR	at some point, we certainly did	Aug 10 15:28
MinceR	we even did fine without dbus	Aug 10 15:28
XRevan86	Good old Bonobo times.	Aug 10 15:29
MinceR	dbus is not a replacement for bonobo	Aug 10 15:29
XRevan86	MinceR: Nevertheless bonobo was replaced by dbus.	Aug 10 15:30
msb_	I don't even know what consolekit does, so I looked it up in wikipedia, which immediately sent me to the article on systemd, which didn't tell me.	Aug 10 15:31
MinceR	:>	Aug 10 15:32
XRevan86	msb_: ConsoleKit is a session-managing and multi-seat thingy.	Aug 10 15:32
MinceR	that's our new "modern" world	Aug 10 15:32
MinceR	only the initiates know what the magic in the black boxes does	Aug 10 15:32
MinceR	none of my systems are multiseat so i'll do fine without consolekit	Aug 10 15:33
msb_	I sure don't need multi-seat.	Aug 10 15:33
msb_	Seems to me text consoles have been working in Linux forever.	Aug 10 15:33
MinceR	i pretty much did the opposite of multiseat	Aug 10 15:33
MinceR	added a raspberry pi to my desktop setup so i could drive one more display :>	Aug 10 15:33
XRevan86	DM's use/used it to control several user system support (sessions)	Aug 10 15:33
msb_	I only have one goddamn user (since my cat died).	Aug 10 15:34
XRevan86	msb_: And yet your system supports having more.	Aug 10 15:35
msb_	Yes, by being more complicated.	Aug 10 15:35
MinceR	>and yet your system can be broken by bugs in code that's intended to support it	Aug 10 15:35
MinceR	FTFY	Aug 10 15:35
XRevan86	If you use a DM, then you either use an out-of-the-box system or have multi-user configuration :).	Aug 10 15:37
XRevan86	or like complicated password-entering stuff :D	Aug 10 15:37
MinceR	i think i'll give the ol' startx method a try	Aug 10 15:38
msb_	I have to enter my password when I boot up the system, but then I just leave it running.	Aug 10 15:38
MinceR	i have to enter the disk encryption passphrase to boot this system :>	Aug 10 15:39
msb_	I think I'm typing the password into some pre-X program, but it looks gui.	Aug 10 15:39
XRevan86	msb_: KDM	Aug 10 15:39
XRevan86	msb_: It starts X and then shows GUI stuff in it.	Aug 10 15:40
msb_	When firefox used to crash X, I'd end up back in that program. But maybe it had already restarted X.	Aug 10 15:41
XRevan86	msb_: Indeed.	Aug 10 15:41
MinceR	http://qingy.sourceforge.net/	Aug 10 15:41
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MinceR	this does GUI login without X	Aug 10 15:41
XRevan86	MinceR: But with DirectFB	Aug 10 15:42
MinceR	indeed	Aug 10 15:42
msb_	Firefox no longer crashes X. It gradually increases its cpu usage over several days, so I have to kill and restart it. But I am a FF abuser with hundreds of tabs.	Aug 10 15:45
XRevan86	msb_: Hmm, it doesn't do that for me.	Aug 10 15:45
msb_	I should get on a 12-step program.	Aug 10 15:45
XRevan86	it did when I kept it for weeks, but since some new release it stopped	Aug 10 15:45
cubexyz	I've run Dillo for over a year without restarting X on openbsd	Aug 10 15:46
msb_	XRevan86: Do you have 5 windows with 100 tabs in each?	Aug 10 15:46
XRevan86	msb_: No, maybe that's why weeks :).	Aug 10 15:46
msb_	I think firefox was designed for novice windows users, and it's taken them years to fix it.	Aug 10 15:47
cubexyz	firefox needs better memory management	Aug 10 15:48
cubexyz	or the OS does :)	Aug 10 15:49
XRevan86	cubexyz: E10S?	Aug 10 15:49
msb_	I have 8GB of RAM, so that's not a problem for me. But FF does use up the cpu after a while.	Aug 10 15:49
XRevan86	I still don't know how E10S will impact Firefox memory consuming.	Aug 10 15:50
XRevan86	Though Mozilla stated that it'll not grow.	Aug 10 15:50
cubexyz	for example firefox should _not_ use over 80% of the memory in the system	Aug 10 15:51
cubexyz	e.g. I should be able to tell firefox to only use 60%	Aug 10 15:51
XRevan86	So maybe Chromium's problems with memory consuming is made not by multiprocessing but by Chromium being crap.	Aug 10 15:51
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electrolysis_Project	Aug 10 15:52
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msb_	looks complicated	Aug 10 15:53
cubexyz	XRevan86, there's a plugin called ramback I've started to use	Aug 10 15:53
cubexyz	hopefully that will reclaim some memory from ff	Aug 10 15:53
XRevan86	cubexyz: I don't have issues with Firefox eating RAM :)	Aug 10 15:53
XRevan86	But Chromium eats all my 4 GB	Aug 10 15:53
msb_	cubexyz: how much memory on your machine?	Aug 10 15:53
MinceR	will they ever do Electrolysis on non-mobile?	Aug 10 15:54
cubexyz	this box has 256 megs of ram, the vector box has 512 megs	Aug 10 15:54
msb_	cubexyz: Yikes, that's tiny!	Aug 10 15:54
cubexyz	no :)	Aug 10 15:54
cubexyz	the tiny system has 16 megs	Aug 10 15:54
cubexyz	and yes, I can run on Linux with 16 megs using 2.2 kernel	Aug 10 15:55
XRevan86	cubexyz: You live in denial :D	Aug 10 15:55
XRevan86	HTML5-supporting web browser + 256MB RAM + some environment == fail	Aug 10 15:56
cubexyz	on the contrary, I've learned a lot	Aug 10 15:56
XRevan86	HTML5-supporting web browser + 512 MB RAM + some environment + no swap == fail	Aug 10 15:56
msb_	https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EsCyC1dZiN8	Aug 10 15:57
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cubexyz	it's hardly necessary to run HTML5 on every computer I own	Aug 10 15:57
MinceR	html5 == fail	Aug 10 15:58
MinceR	FTFY	Aug 10 15:58
XRevan86	cubexyz: It that case what's the problem with Firefox? :)	Aug 10 15:58
cubexyz	XRevan86, I've fixed the problem	Aug 10 15:58
*amarsh04 is running without libsystemd0, kernel 4.2.0-rc6 and gcc 5.2.1-14		Aug 10 15:59
cubexyz	IRC doesn't need very much memory to run, I've run a client on quasijarus	Aug 10 15:59
amarsh04	ie with kernel 4.2.0-rc6 and gcc 5.2.1-14	Aug 10 15:59
XRevan86	amarsh04: . /etc/os-release; echo $PRETTY_NAME	Aug 10 15:59
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amarsh04	uname -a reports: Linux victoria 4.2.0-rc6 #1892 SMP PREEMPT Mon Aug 10 15:23:11 ACST 2015 i686 GNU/Linux	Aug 10 16:00
cubexyz	don't say living in the past, I merely study the past	Aug 10 16:01
amarsh04	console login prompt reports Debian stretch/sid	Aug 10 16:01
cubexyz	ask any historian	Aug 10 16:01
XRevan86	amarsh04: Apparently your system doesn't have any stuff that would depend on libsystemd0	Aug 10 16:02
XRevan86	or you repackage everything	Aug 10 16:02
cubexyz	on one hand some people are saying they want a simpler OS	Aug 10 16:03
cubexyz	besides the Von Neumann bottleneck has gotten worse with faster CPUs	Aug 10 16:04
msb_	I love that song! The video is 12MB and it's been de-logo-ized -- there's a blur rectangle at the bottom.	Aug 10 16:05
msb_	What is the Von Neumann bottleneck exactly?	Aug 10 16:06
cubexyz	basically the processor is waiting for data all the time	Aug 10 16:06
cubexyz	the computer remains in the bottleneck most of the time	Aug 10 16:07
msb_	We have multiple cores and big cache rams for each.	Aug 10 16:07
msb_	And they're always prefetching.	Aug 10 16:07
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cubexyz	right, that helps	Aug 10 16:07
msb_	Those are supercomputer techniques now used on our cheap chips.	Aug 10 16:08
cubexyz	basically 75% the computer is waiting on memory fetches	Aug 10 16:08
cubexyz	but that may actually be lower now, not sure	Aug 10 16:09
cubexyz	latency is the main problem	Aug 10 16:09
msb_	How many billion instructions per second are we executing these days?	Aug 10 16:10
msb_	With an 8-core $200 cpu	Aug 10 16:10
cubexyz	over 100 billion I'd say	Aug 10 16:10
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cubexyz	maybe more	Aug 10 16:10
cubexyz	that's the American version of billion, 10^9	Aug 10 16:11
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msb_	That many? If the clock is 4Ghz, with 8 cores, how can it do more than 32x10^9/sec?	Aug 10 16:12
cubexyz	3 ghz Intel Core i7 is 238,000 MIPS	Aug 10 16:13
cubexyz	it's pipelining the instructions, and executing on each core	Aug 10 16:14
cubexyz	run a dhrystone benchmark on your system	Aug 10 16:14
msb_	AMD FX-8350 97,125 MIPS at 4.2 GHz https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instructions_per_second#Timeline_of_instructions_per_second	Aug 10 16:15
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msb_	Wow!	Aug 10 16:15
msb_	Is dhrystone floating-point or integer?	Aug 10 16:16
cubexyz	dhrystone is integer, whetstone is floating point	Aug 10 16:16
msb_	So it's doing about 3 instructions per core per clock cycle!	Aug 10 16:21
msb_	Maybe it has an internal clock that's running at a multiple of 4.2GHz.	Aug 10 16:22
cubexyz	the cpu can definitely execute multiple instructions in one clock cycle	Aug 10 16:24
msb_	A microwave oven is only 2.45GHz!	Aug 10 16:24
cubexyz	ALUs are clocked at twice the speed of the core	Aug 10 16:24
MinceR	iirc a core can have multiple pipelines	Aug 10 16:24
MinceR	in parallel	Aug 10 16:24
msb_	I don't think there's much of a bottleneck anymore.	Aug 10 16:24
cubexyz	hyperthreading helped reduce the VN bottleneck	Aug 10 16:25
cubexyz	the modern computer is still IO bound	Aug 10 16:26
cubexyz	that's why companies still buy IBM mainframes, for their amazing IO ability	Aug 10 16:27
msb_	I think decoding an x265 video is cpu-bound.	Aug 10 16:29
MinceR	not because they're stuck with tons of software they don't even have the source code for?	Aug 10 16:29
amarsh04	XRevan86, in /etc/apt/sources.list I have: deb http://angband.pl/debian nosystemd-stretch main and deb http://angband.pl/debian nosystemd main	Aug 10 16:29
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cubexyz	IBM mainframes can run Linux	Aug 10 16:29
XRevan86	amarsh04: I have a package it mind	Aug 10 16:29
cubexyz	I think there's even slackware for it	Aug 10 16:29
XRevan86	amarsh04: aptitude install fcgiwrap	Aug 10 16:29
XRevan86	amarsh04: What do you see? :)	Aug 10 16:30
amarsh04	a replacement for that isn't in the repository I quote	Aug 10 16:31
amarsh04	quoted	Aug 10 16:31
XRevan86	amarsh04: It indeed isn't.	Aug 10 16:31
XRevan86	I'm just wondering if anybody ever's gonna repackage all the little stuff.	Aug 10 16:32
XRevan86	just to get rid of libsystemd0	Aug 10 16:32
amarsh04	yes, it will be interesting to see what the best way out of the mess is	Aug 10 16:33
XRevan86	amarsh04: To not care about the little library? :)	Aug 10 16:33
MinceR	at least for a while, slackware will probably package all the little stuff without libsystemd	Aug 10 16:38
XRevan86	MinceR: You must be hating systemd so very badly you even go to Slackware because of libsystemd.	Aug 10 16:39
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MinceR	why? is slackware so bad?	Aug 10 16:40
XRevan86	MinceR: I have a prejudice belief that Slackware has a package controlling issue.	Aug 10 16:40
MinceR	what issue?	Aug 10 16:40
XRevan86	MinceR: Like dependencies control	Aug 10 16:41
XRevan86	from what I know, you just get a bunch of stuff and then don't touch it	Aug 10 16:41
MinceR	there's no automatic dependency handling in slackware	Aug 10 16:44
MinceR	which can be a good thing, as debian shows	Aug 10 16:44
MinceR	if you must have it, there's salix	Aug 10 16:44
MinceR	(and of course slackbuilds do dependencies too)	Aug 10 16:44
cubexyz	the user figures it out	Aug 10 16:45
MinceR	http://www.troll.me/images/keanu-reeves/what-if-conspiracies-are-made-up-by-corporations-to-sell-more-tinfoil.jpg	Aug 10 16:47
cubexyz	good way to learn about what the libraries do	Aug 10 16:47
MinceR	ldd helps :)	Aug 10 16:48
cubexyz	I had to get into that to get old software (like HOMM3) to run	Aug 10 16:48
cubexyz	no fancy package manager is going to help with that	Aug 10 16:49
cubexyz	if they gave us the source code for the old Loki games we could have fixed things up	Aug 10 16:50
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/kstallett/status/630843266066460673	Aug 10 16:52
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@kstallett: @schestowitz Man City looking the best team of the weekend so far tonight and Utd new signings look very good. Only one game but still.		Aug 10 16:52
schestowitz	Hope they both bring prestige to this booming city...	Aug 10 16:52
schestowitz	MinceR: lol	Aug 10 16:54
schestowitz	posted	Aug 10 16:54
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XRevan86	MinceR: I'll study Slackware and additions :).	Aug 10 17:08
MinceR	:)	Aug 10 17:09
XRevan86	MinceR: It's a mystery to me and I don't like mysteries.	Aug 10 17:09
MinceR	so will i	Aug 10 17:09
XRevan86	MinceR: For different reasons :)	Aug 10 17:12
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TweetTuxMachines	to Kubuntu 15.04 http://t.co/knzb8VTEvV	Aug 10 17:22
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Problems with Ubuntu's Software Center and How	Aug 10 17:26
TweetTuxMachines	Canonical Plans to Fix Them	Aug 10 17:26
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.linuxjournal.com \| Problems with Ubuntu's Software Center and How Canonical Plans to Fix Them \| Linux Journal		Aug 10 17:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/630852254376050690	Aug 10 17:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Google to reorganize into new company called Alphabet @schestowitz @ruskin147 http://t.co/8gfxwCbLje		Aug 10 17:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.theguardian.com \| Google to reorganize into new company called Alphabet \| Technology \| The Guardian		Aug 10 17:30
schestowitz	how bizarre	Aug 10 17:30
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Nikomarvel/status/630848631202029568	Aug 10 17:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Nikomarvel: If Silva & Aguero stay fit most part of the season, with Sterling showing his LFC form & Yaya performing as always,City would win the league		Aug 10 17:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines I fell in love with Linux while compiling	Aug 10 17:32
TweetTuxMachines	kernel http://t.co/FXUzlszWvh (opensource.com)	Aug 10 17:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVIDIA Releases "OpenGL 2015" + OpenGL ES 3.2	Aug 10 17:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kodi 15.1 Isengard – Release Candidate	Aug 10 17:32
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/630854214655283200	Aug 10 17:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @ruskin147 Yeh.. don't know if it's as bizarre as my own expereinces of wheeling Googles original computers into silicon valley		Aug 10 17:35
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/630854410063740928	Aug 10 17:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @ruskin147 Was thinking... have the @guardian got this right ? I'm sure they have...		Aug 10 17:35
schestowitz	Rebranding more than restructuring. Makeover.	Aug 10 17:35
schestowitz	Judge Jackson was going to split #Microsoft after it had committed many crimes, but it was not wilful.	Aug 10 17:36
cubexyz	openbsd has good package management	Aug 10 17:38
cubexyz	i've never had a problem with it	Aug 10 17:39
MinceR	i'm not sold on the 'no upgrades via binary packages' aspect	Aug 10 17:39
MinceR	then again, one can just build it all from source	Aug 10 17:39
cubexyz	I just tarball my own stuff	Aug 10 17:40
cubexyz	I've never made a package	Aug 10 17:40
MinceR	https://scontent-fra3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/hphotos-xaf1/v/t1.0-9/11800192_10204534697640004_6272500403514043488_n.jpg?oh=1967ff4f79ef23952991e42ccd689453&oe=564D6F5C	Aug 10 17:40
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/630855972995629056	Aug 10 17:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @ruskin147 @guardian Yes... speaking as someonw who wheeled in their original computers and workd in St Ghislain.. it needed it		Aug 10 17:41
schestowitz	MinceR: LOL	Aug 10 17:41
schestowitz	Thor had a hammer IIRC	Aug 10 17:41
MinceR	indeed	Aug 10 17:41
MinceR	https://cdn-webimages.wimages.net/0514e673fd0fc45513643383b962173748467b-wm.jpg	Aug 10 17:42
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/630856112967938048	Aug 10 17:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @ruskin147 @guardian I thought closure would have been better than rebranding ;)		Aug 10 17:42
schestowitz	oh, provocative!	Aug 10 17:42
cubexyz	Thor's getting bad PR these days :)	Aug 10 17:43
schestowitz	Tor too	Aug 10 17:44
schestowitz	they say it doesn't work, citing some paper	Aug 10 17:44
schestowitz	I think de-anonymisation may be feasible	Aug 10 17:44
schestowitz	but not trivial, still	Aug 10 17:44
cubexyz	I trust my ISP	Aug 10 17:44
cubexyz	they're free-net people	Aug 10 17:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/TerryMcElligott/status/630857247615225857	Aug 10 17:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TerryMcElligott: @SleepyPenguin1 @schestowitz @ruskin147 When r they going to start buying actual countries, printing own currency?		Aug 10 17:45
schestowitz	(Google)	Aug 10 17:45
MinceR	that would be very cyberpunk	Aug 10 17:46
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/630857441530523648	Aug 10 17:46
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: Is the rebranding of Google to Alphabet an easy way around EU/ US monopoly legislation and unpaod tax @schestowitz @ruskin147 @guardiantech		Aug 10 17:46
cubexyz	googleland?	Aug 10 17:46
MinceR	and not at all out of place, as such	Aug 10 17:46
schestowitz	Microsoft FUD will need lots of pricey rebranding :-)	Aug 10 17:46
MinceR	we already have megacorporations with more influence than many states	Aug 10 17:46
cubexyz	hey there's worse possibilities... imagine Microsoftland	Aug 10 17:47
cubexyz	where everything is microsoft.... brrrr	Aug 10 17:47
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/630857720476921856	Aug 10 17:48
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @TerryMcElligott @schestowitz @ruskin147 Was wondering about that. Thought it had already happened in England.		Aug 10 17:48
schestowitz	cubexyz: eww	Aug 10 17:49
schestowitz	sounds like... US gov.	Aug 10 17:49
schestowitz	or UK gov.	Aug 10 17:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/630858328625815552	Aug 10 17:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: Wow!! When did Nvidia wake up to open source? https://t.co/W6rPP2p5dI		Aug 10 17:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: #NVIDIA Releases "OpenGL 2015" + #OpenGL ES 3.2 Linux Driver http://t.co/IepEfOgfp5 #linux #graphics		Aug 10 17:50
schestowitz	when it had Torvalds' finger up its rectum maybe	Aug 10 17:50
MinceR	or like hungary	Aug 10 17:50
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/630858504195153925	Aug 10 17:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @ruskin147 @guardiantech :-)		Aug 10 17:50
MinceR	though at least non-m$ is not forbidden here, yet	Aug 10 17:51
schestowitz	MinceR: yes, seems so...	Aug 10 17:51
schestowitz	at least you guys got to throw eggs at fester	Aug 10 17:51
cubexyz	haha	Aug 10 17:52
cubexyz	I remember that	Aug 10 17:52
schestowitz	!google ballmer eggs	Aug 10 17:52
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Steve Ballmer Gets the Egg-Treatment in Budapest - YouTube \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DmtBQ4UCXQeo	Aug 10 17:52
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Ballmer egg attack! (Hungarian TV2) - YouTube \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DS30WdoEHCH4	Aug 10 17:52
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Microsoft's Ballmer pelted with eggs \| Business \| The Guardian \| http://www.theguardian.com/business/2008/may/20/microsoft.technology	Aug 10 17:52
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Egg Attack \| Game \| Play as Steve Ballmer or as the egg throwing ... \| http://www.egg-attack.com/	Aug 10 17:52
schestowitz	[4] is still alive	Aug 10 17:52
schestowitz	way to go Fester	Aug 10 17:52
MinceR	:)	Aug 10 17:52
schestowitz	epic	Aug 10 17:52
schestowitz	The only time I watched Ballmer and smiled	Aug 10 17:53
schestowitz	Like gates with a pie in his face (Belgium I think)	Aug 10 17:53
cubexyz	the europeans have more guts :)	Aug 10 17:53
schestowitz	in the US some special agents would have come out with machine guns and sniper to shoot down the "dissident" terrorists	Aug 10 17:53
schestowitz	!google putin whip pussy riot	Aug 10 17:54
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Video shows Pussy Riot members beaten by Cossacks - CNN.com \| http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/19/world/russia-sochi-pussy-riot/	Aug 10 17:54
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Pussy Riot 'Whipped' By Cossacks Patrolling Sochi Winter Olympics ... \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3Deiw0fw_sJOk	Aug 10 17:54
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Pussy Riot attacked with whips by Cossack militia at Sochi Olympics ... \| http://www.theguardian.com/music/2014/feb/19/pussy-riot-attacked-whips-cossack-milita-sochi-winter-olympics	Aug 10 17:54
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Pussy Riot whipped at Sochi Games by Cossacks - BBC News \| http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26265230	Aug 10 17:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Problems with Ubuntu's Software Center and How	Aug 10 17:55
TweetTuxMachines	Canonical Plans to Fix Them	Aug 10 17:55
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/zUbdt33zKF (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 10 17:55
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Problems with Ubuntu's Software Center and How Canonical Plans to Fix Them \| Tux Machines		Aug 10 17:55
schestowitz	"A Cossack appears to spray a substance in the face of one of the band members, who were wearing ski-masks."	Aug 10 17:55
schestowitz	http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-26265230	Aug 10 17:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bbc.com \| Pussy Riot whipped at Sochi Games by Cossacks - BBC News [ http://ur1.ca/nely1 ]		Aug 10 17:55
schestowitz	US cops do this to protesters who sit dow	Aug 10 17:55
schestowitz	!google us cop pepper spray sit down	Aug 10 17:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - UC Davis pepper-spray incident - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_Davis_pepper-spray_incident	Aug 10 17:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - UC Davis Protestors Pepper Sprayed - YouTube \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3D6AdDLhPwpp4	Aug 10 17:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - PEPPER SPRAY: UC Davis students 'maced' in Occupy protest ... \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DrIccco4PRRk	Aug 10 17:56
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - UC Davis pepper spray police officer awarded $38,000 ... \| http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/23/pepper-spray-cop-uc-davis-compensation	Aug 10 17:56
schestowitz	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cossacks	Aug 10 17:57
schestowitz	"Because of their military tradition, Cossack forces played an important role in Russia's wars of the 18th–20th centuries such as the Great Northern War, the Seven Years' War, the Crimean War, Napoleonic Wars, Caucasus War, numerous Russo-Persian Wars, numerous Russo-Turkish Wars, and the First World War. In the late 19th and early 20th centuries, the Tsarist regime used Cossacks extensively to perform police service (for example, both to	Aug 10 17:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Cossacks - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Aug 10 17:57
schestowitz	prevent pogroms and to suppress the revolutionary movement, especially in 1905–7)."	Aug 10 17:57
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/fth_nix/status/630859389319139328	Aug 10 17:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@fth_nix: @schestowitz lol, might have been a (un?) pleasant nudge in the right direction!!!		Aug 10 17:58
XRevan86	> Tsarist regime	Aug 10 17:59
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/630859561679908864	Aug 10 17:59
XRevan86	Actually, Cossacks became a govenmental force only in times of the Empire.	Aug 10 17:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz @ruskin147 @guardiantech Googles stock has gone up $20Bn in recent hours...		Aug 10 17:59
schestowitz	XRevan86: what about Sochi?	Aug 10 17:59
schestowitz	Bullies with whips	Aug 10 17:59
schestowitz	gov-sanctioned goons?	Aug 10 17:59
XRevan86	schestowitz: I don't believe in Cossacks in the XXI century.	Aug 10 18:00
schestowitz	truly a PR disaster for Putin and good stunt from Pussy Riot	Aug 10 18:00
schestowitz	People won't view Russia as friendly unless these goons are brought under control	Aug 10 18:00
XRevan86	Maybe XVII century	Aug 10 18:00
schestowitz	I didn't even know about their historical role in the Russian empire until this incident	Aug 10 18:01
schestowitz	and didn't know much about Ukraine Nazis till NATO and Russia started fighting over parts of ukraine	Aug 10 18:01
XRevan86	Cossacks were pretty much independent	Aug 10 18:01
XRevan86	and had their own culture	Aug 10 18:01
schestowitz	Any relation to Kazakhstan?	Aug 10 18:01
schestowitz	And if so, why are they in Sochi?	Aug 10 18:02
XRevan86	And cossacks these days are merely cosplayers.	Aug 10 18:02
XRevan86	schestowitz: No, unrelated.	Aug 10 18:02
XRevan86	Kazakhstan is about kazahs	Aug 10 18:02
XRevan86	kazak != kazah	Aug 10 18:02
schestowitz	ah, OK	Aug 10 18:02
schestowitz	I has some friends from there	Aug 10 18:02
schestowitz	Georgia also	Aug 10 18:02
XRevan86	Cossacks is a Russian and Polish thingy.	Aug 10 18:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines I fell in love with Linux while compiling a	Aug 10 18:03
TweetTuxMachines	kernel http://t.co/dlFG4ZZzK9	Aug 10 18:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 10 18:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nem01	Aug 10 18:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| I fell in love with Linux while compiling a kernel \| Tux Machines		Aug 10 18:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVIDIA Releases "OpenGL 2015" + OpenGL ES 3.2	Aug 10 18:03
TweetTuxMachines	Linux Driver http://t.co/BEv8vI5b7f	Aug 10 18:03
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 10 18:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nem02	Aug 10 18:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| NVIDIA Releases "OpenGL 2015" + OpenGL ES 3.2 Linux Driver \| Tux Machines		Aug 10 18:03
XRevan86	the biggest cossackdom was at the riven Dom	Aug 10 18:03
XRevan86	Don*	Aug 10 18:03
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kodi 15.1 Isengard – Release Candidate	Aug 10 18:03
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/h4l1JAMyT7 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 10 18:03
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nem03	Aug 10 18:03
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/wn4WkW2gXU	Aug 10 18:04
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XRevan86	and Dnieper river	Aug 10 18:06
schestowitz	I really need to study Russia and Baltic history when I have the time... maybe this weekend	Aug 10 18:10
XRevan86	schestowitz: There are also cossacks in the Caucasus but these guys I don't know about much.	Aug 10 18:10
XRevan86	were*	Aug 10 18:10
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XRevan86	I forget the past tense.	Aug 10 18:10
XRevan86	Cossacks are long gone, and didn't whip activists.	Aug 10 18:11
cubexyz	they still have cossacks as an ethnicity	Aug 10 18:13
cubexyz	at least that's what wikipedia says	Aug 10 18:13
XRevan86	cubexyz: That's freaky because it's no ethnic.	Aug 10 18:13
XRevan86	more like a Russian subculture :).	Aug 10 18:14
XRevan86	overwise it would be too easy to convert one from one ethnic to another	Aug 10 18:15
XRevan86	and ethnic conversion is a paradoxal idea	Aug 10 18:15
schestowitz	ethnic differences I really don't get	Aug 10 18:15
schestowitz	Tatar for instance	Aug 10 18:15
schestowitz	and what happens at the fringes at the south, east, west	Aug 10 18:15
schestowitz	Talk about race is very politically-incorect	Aug 10 18:15
XRevan86	schestowitz: I tend to agree.	Aug 10 18:16
schestowitz	my maternal ancestors, I can recall, had something Russian in them	Aug 10 18:16
schestowitz	before they moved to Switzerland, some to France	Aug 10 18:16
schestowitz	Russia is far from a melting pot	Aug 10 18:16
cubexyz	I identify by the user's OS :)	Aug 10 18:16
schestowitz	and many citizens have been fleeing it, population size not high, still	Aug 10 18:17
schestowitz	!google youtube russia population size	Aug 10 18:17
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Russia's population decline speeds up - YouTube \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DWAg20BfDxMo	Aug 10 18:17
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Russia's demographic crisis - YouTube \| http://www.youtube.com/watch%3Fv%3DY93ip0lMNJ8	Aug 10 18:17
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Russia's Demographic "Crisis": How Real Is It? \| RAND \| http://www.rand.org/pubs/issue_papers/IP162/index2.html	Aug 10 18:17
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Russia's Growing Muslim Population \| Stratfor \| https://www.stratfor.com/image/russias-growing-muslim-population	Aug 10 18:17
XRevan86	cubexyz: and probably by language :)	Aug 10 18:17
cubexyz	yes, I'm APLian	Aug 10 18:17
XRevan86	I don't like talking to those who know only Italian	Aug 10 18:17
XRevan86	they move there lips and I understand nothing	Aug 10 18:18
XRevan86	very frustrating :D	Aug 10 18:18
cubexyz	APLians know Greek and Math symbols as well as the Latin alphabet	Aug 10 18:18
XRevan86	their*	Aug 10 18:18
schestowitz	I watched this one about 5 years ago https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J1OyIJtjdpo	Aug 10 18:18
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.youtube.com \| Death of a Nation 1/6 - YouTube [ http://ur1.ca/nem39 ]		Aug 10 18:18
XRevan86	(that is of course theoretical, I've never met an Italian in real life, especially not an English speaker (but that as well))	Aug 10 18:19
schestowitz	today I chatted about what language is best sounding	Aug 10 18:19
schestowitz	went though almost all nations	Aug 10 18:19
schestowitz	ended up saying best languages, vocally, are probably Scandinavian	Aug 10 18:19
schestowitz	probably not Finnish though, maybe Danish	Aug 10 18:19
schestowitz	my wife's dialect is OK too, I don't like Russian (the sound)	Aug 10 18:20
schestowitz	some people really like Italian (my mom's favourite)	Aug 10 18:20
XRevan86	schestowitz: The qualities I respect are so hard to measure: rich expression and easy to learn.	Aug 10 18:20
schestowitz	German is expressive	Aug 10 18:21
XRevan86	I suspect only esperanto covers it all pretty well.	Aug 10 18:21
MinceR	235332 < cubexyz> the europeans have more guts :)	Aug 10 18:21
schestowitz	I don't like some of the sounds made, same with Dutch	Aug 10 18:21
schestowitz	khh...	Aug 10 18:21
schestowitz	almost as bad as Persian or Arabic..	Aug 10 18:21
MinceR	"You are huge! This means you have huge guts! Rip and tear your guts! RIP AND TEAR!"	Aug 10 18:21
XRevan86	schestowitz: I think it requires some getting used to.	Aug 10 18:22
schestowitz	it's not even a talking sound	Aug 10 18:22
schestowitz	in Chinese there's ng...	Aug 10 18:22
schestowitz	pronounced from the nose	Aug 10 18:22
XRevan86	schestowitz: Do you think German pronounciation is more precise than English one?	Aug 10 18:22
schestowitz	Cebuano, tagalog and Illongo have that too	Aug 10 18:22
schestowitz	Lots of SEA nations have those sounds	Aug 10 18:22
XRevan86	Because English has a trouble with pronounciation, that I see.	Aug 10 18:22
schestowitz	Chinese have that odd "ssshhh" or "xi" pronnounciation	Aug 10 18:23
schestowitz	With a whistle	Aug 10 18:23
schestowitz	german has more characters	Aug 10 18:23
schestowitz	same with some other north european languages	Aug 10 18:23
schestowitz	could make the learning curve higher	Aug 10 18:23
schestowitz	I once learned some Arabic for a while	Aug 10 18:24
schestowitz	it's actually not hard	Aug 10 18:24
schestowitz	once you get used to directional differences, different numerics	Aug 10 18:24
cubexyz	motif can do it :)	Aug 10 18:24
MinceR	000034 < schestowitz> People won't view Russia as friendly unless these goons are brought under control	Aug 10 18:24
MinceR	does putin want to do that?	Aug 10 18:24
schestowitz	no	Aug 10 18:24
schestowitz	it would make people feel free	Aug 10 18:24
schestowitz	like Pussy	Aug 10 18:24
schestowitz	control by fear seems to 'work' for Putin	Aug 10 18:25
MinceR	001509 < XRevan86> overwise it would be too easy to convert one from one ethnic to another	Aug 10 18:25
XRevan86	MinceR: I've seen "cossack" goons on TV media (when I walked into the room) so apparently not.	Aug 10 18:25
schestowitz	tories increasingly do the same thing in the UK	Aug 10 18:25
MinceR	that seems to be what hungary did	Aug 10 18:25
schestowitz	in the US the police and SWAT teams are very much feared	Aug 10 18:25
schestowitz	to the point where many people arm themselves (against the State)	Aug 10 18:25
XRevan86	MinceR: But that's non-sense. It can only mean classification is wrong.	Aug 10 18:25
MinceR	well, i think the whole 'nation' idea is somewhat misleading and toxic	Aug 10 18:26
schestowitz	hungary suppresses reporting	Aug 10 18:26
schestowitz	you can have a licence revoked for reporting	Aug 10 18:26
MinceR	the majority of the population of hungary was killed at least 2 times, i think	Aug 10 18:26
XRevan86	How can one be Chinese one day and then Japanese the other?	Aug 10 18:26
schestowitz	in the UK you need to say or write something "Extreme"	Aug 10 18:26
schestowitz	or access "extreme" site	Aug 10 18:26
MinceR	and people were brought in to settle and work the fields, etc.	Aug 10 18:26
schestowitz	they usually mean "Islamic"	Aug 10 18:26
MinceR	there was a lot of mixing	Aug 10 18:26
schestowitz	But you can't put a religion in law, might lead to dancing	Aug 10 18:26
MinceR	which makes the idea of a hungarian "nation" suspect	Aug 10 18:26
MinceR	and all the idea of a "nation" is ever used for is to have people gang up on other people	Aug 10 18:27
MinceR	to feel a tie to other humans, being human should be enough	Aug 10 18:27
schestowitz	pride by extension	Aug 10 18:27
XRevan86	MinceR: It's very easy to see now in Ukraine.	Aug 10 18:27
cubexyz	it's just another organizational method	Aug 10 18:27
schestowitz	football tirbalism, racial pride...	Aug 10 18:27
schestowitz	I shit in racial pride	Aug 10 18:28
schestowitz	nationalism too	Aug 10 18:28
schestowitz	I have no loyalty to nations, just society as a whole... seen enough crap where people gang on others like animals	Aug 10 18:28
cubexyz	tribalism yes	Aug 10 18:28
XRevan86	MinceR: It's nationalism of people that look like Russians but speak a little bit differently.	Aug 10 18:28
MinceR	i wonder how long until putin starts abusing crimean tatars	Aug 10 18:29
cubexyz	we can't trust those other cavemen beyond the hill :)	Aug 10 18:29
schestowitz	what's the offensive word Russia has for Ukrainians?	Aug 10 18:29
XRevan86	schestowitz: Hohol	Aug 10 18:29
schestowitz	The one that had a post of some Russian diplomat deleted from facebook?	Aug 10 18:29
schestowitz	XRevan86: no, different	Aug 10 18:29
schestowitz	crit?	Aug 10 18:29
MinceR	if i had any pride in being hungarian, what happened since 2010 fixed that :>	Aug 10 18:29
XRevan86	schestowitz: What's "crit"?	Aug 10 18:30
MinceR	even "ukraine" means different things in ukrainian and russian, doesn't it?	Aug 10 18:30
schestowitz	!google russian deleted from facebook post about ukraine	Aug 10 18:30
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Ukrainians' FB posts deleted because of hate speech, not 'Russian ... \| http://www.rt.com/news/258981-ukraine-poroshenko-facebook-office/	Aug 10 18:30
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Facebook Deletes Russian Journalist's Post On Downing Of MH17 ... \| http://www.rferl.org/content/russian-journalist-facebook-deleted-post-mh17-downing/27000215.html	Aug 10 18:30
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Facebook deletes (then restores) post criticizing a leaked Russian ... \| https://meduza.io/en/news/2015/05/07/facebook-deletes-post-criticizing-a-leaked-russian-report-blaming-ukraine-for-mh17	Aug 10 18:30
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - UkeTube deleted. 1.6K Ukrainian videos lost. - Facebook \| https://www.facebook.com/notes/william-szuch/uketube-deleted-16k-ukrainian-videos-lost/10152950936644505	Aug 10 18:30
XRevan86	MinceR: No, the same.	Aug 10 18:30
XRevan86	MinceR: from a word "kray"	Aug 10 18:31
XRevan86	which either means "the border" or "a land"	Aug 10 18:31
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XRevan86	funny thing is that it's more of a first than the last	Aug 10 18:31
MinceR	apparently it's said to mean "borderland" or "homeland", but it's not a question of which language	Aug 10 18:32
MinceR	something i've read framed it as such	Aug 10 18:32
MinceR	apparently they were wrong	Aug 10 18:32
XRevan86	MinceR: Why?	Aug 10 18:32
MinceR	dunno	Aug 10 18:33
XRevan86	MinceR: That's kind of what I said :)	Aug 10 18:33
MinceR	:)	Aug 10 18:33
XRevan86	"Добро пожаловать в наш край"	Aug 10 18:33
XRevan86	here "край" is used as a word for a land	Aug 10 18:34
XRevan86	but keeping the idea of a borderland :D	Aug 10 18:34
XRevan86	Wording is confusing.	Aug 10 18:34
schestowitz	the RT article says nothing about the word he used to refer to Ukrainians	Aug 10 18:35
schestowitz	or maybe the place where I first read about it misled	Aug 10 18:35
XRevan86	schestowitz: Maybe saloeaters.	Aug 10 18:35
schestowitz	because based on RT it was removed from being flagged as nudity (by 'mistake')	Aug 10 18:35
schestowitz	not sure what to believe now, who to trust...	Aug 10 18:35
schestowitz	XRevan86: maybe	Aug 10 18:35
XRevan86	schestowitz: I didn't read that so I can only guess :).	Aug 10 18:36
schestowitz	but Western media, IIRC, claims removal over cursing of Ukranians	Aug 10 18:36
schestowitz	Either way, Facebook is crap	Aug 10 18:36
XRevan86	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chupryna that's what "hohol" is	Aug 10 18:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| Chupryna - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia		Aug 10 18:36
schestowitz	Russian politicians using it is self-discrediting	Aug 10 18:36
MinceR	"trust no one" ;)	Aug 10 18:36
schestowitz	that's like Obama using Baidu	Aug 10 18:36
XRevan86	schestowitz: The reversals (Ukrainians about Russians) are: moscal, katsap	Aug 10 18:37
schestowitz	(or yandex)	Aug 10 18:38
XRevan86	schestowitz: You know, Kiselev is a moron.	Aug 10 18:46
XRevan86	Though he'd use Facebook overwise too, because that's a popular platform.	Aug 10 18:47
XRevan86	when I think about it…	Aug 10 18:48
XRevan86	schestowitz: Russia is so dependent on US IT.	Aug 10 18:49
XRevan86	even though there's Yandex and VK	Aug 10 18:49
XRevan86	most Russians use Google	Aug 10 18:49
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/630871541069295618	Aug 10 18:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Thought that was going to happen...		Aug 10 18:49
XRevan86	though Facebook is not as popular as VK, still	Aug 10 18:49
schestowitz	facebook is not popular	Aug 10 18:50
schestowitz	neither is windows	Aug 10 18:50
schestowitz	they just get used a lot	Aug 10 18:50
schestowitz	network effect	Aug 10 18:50
XRevan86	schestowitz: In Russian Federation I mean.	Aug 10 18:50
XRevan86	it's not as used by common people as VK is	Aug 10 18:50
schestowitz	a lot of facebook useds hate Facebook	Aug 10 18:50
schestowitz	and complain about it	Aug 10 18:50
schestowitz	but "they can't leave" they insist, "my mates are on it"	Aug 10 18:51
schestowitz	(or family)	Aug 10 18:51
XRevan86	What surprised me is that Ukrainians in the past few years moved from VK to Facebook.	Aug 10 18:51
schestowitz	who can blame them?	Aug 10 18:51
schestowitz	russia bombed their airport and stuff	Aug 10 18:51
schestowitz	shelled to rubble	Aug 10 18:51
XRevan86	schestowitz: First they say they can't live without it, the second they easily move to some other crap.	Aug 10 18:52
MinceR	it's easy to move when all your contacts are willing to move immediately	Aug 10 18:52
MinceR	if not, it's not so easy to move	Aug 10 18:52
MinceR	though they could still do a staged transition	Aug 10 18:52
MinceR	maybe that's too complicated for some people	Aug 10 18:52
XRevan86	Also VK is kinda nicer than Facebook. Interface is not made by an imbecile.	Aug 10 18:52
MinceR	:>	Aug 10 18:53
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__martin__	umbrella corp >>> http://googleblog.blogspot.sk/2015/08/google-alphabet.html	Aug 10 18:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-googleblog.blogspot.sk \| Official Google Blog: G is for Google [ http://ur1.ca/nembj ]		Aug 10 18:55
MinceR	:)	Aug 10 18:55
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Umbrella_Corporation_logo.svg	Aug 10 18:56
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-en.wikipedia.org \| File:Umbrella Corporation logo.svg - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia [ http://ur1.ca/nembt ]		Aug 10 18:56
XRevan86	schestowitz, MinceR: What I actually see wrong here is that Ukraine is trying so hard to separate from Russian population.	Aug 10 18:56
__martin__	we shall see what "EU burreaucrats" have to say	Aug 10 18:56
MinceR	i don't see how that's wrong	Aug 10 18:56
MinceR	russia wants to rule over ukraine	Aug 10 18:56
XRevan86	MinceR: I'm a part of the Russian population, remember?	Aug 10 18:56
MinceR	probably most ukrainians don't want that	Aug 10 18:56
XRevan86	Do I want to rule over Ukraine?	Aug 10 18:57
XRevan86	but Ukrainians surely don't want me	Aug 10 18:57
XRevan86	maybe I'm a bad person	Aug 10 18:57
__martin__	XRevan86: EU needs a new "entry" market for export goods	Aug 10 18:57
MinceR	XRevan86: are you putin? :>	Aug 10 18:57
__martin__	apart from that, there's fertile soil and some hightech holdings of interest	Aug 10 18:58
__martin__	or better to say "heavy tech" :_D	Aug 10 18:58
XRevan86	MinceR: "Russian population" are the words I used.	Aug 10 18:58
MinceR	i don't think that would be a bad deal for ukraine	Aug 10 18:58
MinceR	it wouldn't be a bad deal for hungary either	Aug 10 18:58
MinceR	but our nazis don't want it, for some reason	Aug 10 18:58
MinceR	they want to kill the hungarian economy instead	Aug 10 18:58
schestowitz	XRevan86: it's not a date	Aug 10 18:58
schestowitz	if they're better off economically with the European market/commonwealth, let them join	Aug 10 18:59
MinceR	XRevan86: though the vk->dfb thing looks more like a boycott sort of thing to me	Aug 10 18:59
schestowitz	I think Putin is too nationalistic to let a border so close to Moscow be EU-run	Aug 10 18:59
MinceR	also, an attempt to reduce the extent to which the russian government can spy on them	Aug 10 18:59
__martin__	MinceR: awesome finding, so you we are neighbours after all	Aug 10 18:59
schestowitz	unless he thinks that EU will, indeed, want to nuke Moscow	Aug 10 18:59
XRevan86	schestowitz: I don't care about economics, it's all capitalist crap. What bugs me is the desire to stop communicate.	Aug 10 18:59
schestowitz	historically, ukraine was badly treated by Russia	Aug 10 19:00
schestowitz	esp. Stalin	Aug 10 19:00
MinceR	and it continues	Aug 10 19:00
schestowitz	so EU Nazis now back the Ukrainian Nazis	Aug 10 19:00
XRevan86	schestowitz: It reminds me about the Georgian ex-president.	Aug 10 19:00
schestowitz	and let's just not call it "Nazis" anymore, because this label is 'out of style'	Aug 10 19:00
MinceR	i suspect the EU would welcome russia as a member too, if russia was willing to develop and democratize	Aug 10 19:00
MinceR	obviously putin doesn't want that	Aug 10 19:00
XRevan86	schestowitz: Because he's Georgian and Stalin is Georgian. And Ukraine is totally okay with that.	Aug 10 19:01
MinceR	it's more comfortable to run a dictatorship where he owns all the oligarchs that are allowed to exist	Aug 10 19:01
MinceR	schestowitz: hungarian nazis back the russian nazis, though	Aug 10 19:01
schestowitz	Russia did trade with Europe	Aug 10 19:01
schestowitz	not as much anymore	Aug 10 19:01
schestowitz	EU ceased to have a meaning	Aug 10 19:01
schestowitz	they won't even bail out member nations	Aug 10 19:02
schestowitz	so it'a a bogus 'shared' economy	Aug 10 19:02
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schestowitz	just means for globalisation, for capitalist oligarchs	Aug 10 19:02
MinceR	it could work better if it was more closely-knit, and perhaps also if it was more loose	Aug 10 19:02
schestowitz	now they get to negotiate 'trade' 'deals' on behalf of a whole continent	Aug 10 19:02
schestowitz	hence easier to rob all Europeans in one fell swoop	Aug 10 19:03
schestowitz	europe has many languages and culture	Aug 10 19:03
schestowitz	currencies and metrics being shared is a step forward	Aug 10 19:03
schestowitz	improves consistency	Aug 10 19:03
MinceR	yup	Aug 10 19:03
__martin__	schestowitz: bogus "shared" economy.. nice terminus technicus // will rememba that	Aug 10 19:03
MinceR	the EU doesn't protect the interests of its members	Aug 10 19:03
__martin__	(´=	Aug 10 19:03
schestowitz	Russia still uses "odd" typesets, like Greece	Aug 10 19:04
schestowitz	need to teach Putin to say "rain in spain stays mainly in the plain"	Aug 10 19:04
MinceR	https://twitter.com/TimCushing/status/630864793163792384	Aug 10 19:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@TimCushing: A™ B™ C™ D™ E™ F™ G™ H™ I™ J™ K™ L™ M™ N™ O™ P™ Q™ R™ S™ T™ U™ V™ W™ X™ Y™ Z™		Aug 10 19:04
schestowitz	europe won't take Russia's standards	Aug 10 19:04
schestowitz	but would impose its own on Russia	Aug 10 19:04
MinceR	if russia wants to progress, it will have to move towards those standards	Aug 10 19:05
schestowitz	inc. trading oil not in rouble	Aug 10 19:05
MinceR	then again, europe should stop regressing as well	Aug 10 19:05
XRevan86	MinceR: I hope you don't mean the alphabet.	Aug 10 19:05
MinceR	no	Aug 10 19:05
schestowitz	I was joking	Aug 10 19:05
MinceR	the writing system is largely irrelevant	Aug 10 19:05
XRevan86	schestowitz: I heard some serious stuff about that	Aug 10 19:06
MinceR	we have utf-8 and we also have volapuk encoding ;)	Aug 10 19:06
XRevan86	and the way slav languages look under the Latin alphabet… gosh	Aug 10 19:06
__martin__	ť	Aug 10 19:07
__martin__	:D	Aug 10 19:07
schestowitz	volapuk sounds like something you do after eating baked beans	Aug 10 19:07
XRevan86	schestowitz: I'm trying hard to not comment "volapuk"	Aug 10 19:07
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volapuk_encoding	Aug 10 19:07
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schestowitz	MinceR: ah, nice...	Aug 10 19:08
XRevan86	MinceR: Ah.	Aug 10 19:09
XRevan86	HY, ETO MbI MO}\|{EM	Aug 10 19:09
MinceR	:)	Aug 10 19:10
__martin__	XRevan86: rumors are, vlad is going to build a bridge over to the alaska with help of chinese folk (=	Aug 10 19:11
XRevan86	__martin__: I haven't heard of it.	Aug 10 19:11
XRevan86	__martin__: That would be funny though.	Aug 10 19:12
MinceR	i wonder what the usian folk will have to say about that	Aug 10 19:12
MinceR	especially if it happens during the second cold war :>	Aug 10 19:12
__martin__	i've been lacking lately at catching up with RT news [sic] channel	Aug 10 19:12
MinceR	lol	Aug 10 19:12
__martin__	seems RMS links to The Guardian a lot (at least the environment section)	Aug 10 19:14
schestowitz	yeah, sadly...	Aug 10 19:14
schestowitz	he has followed it for many years and they sometimes let him write there...	Aug 10 19:14
__martin__	MinceR: lesser joke.. let's bet how many GCHQ "fellows" will attend https://systemd.events/	Aug 10 19:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-SSL connect error ( status 0 @ https://systemd.events/ )		Aug 10 19:17
__martin__	lel	Aug 10 19:17
schestowitz	none	Aug 10 19:17
schestowitz	it's in german, ain't it?	Aug 10 19:17
MinceR	hopefully several	Aug 10 19:18
schestowitz	gchq does a lot of naughty things in germany	Aug 10 19:18
MinceR	it's their project, after all, isn't it?	Aug 10 19:18
MinceR	at least in that it exists to serve their interests	Aug 10 19:18
schestowitz	it's only mates, in the data-sharing sense, with bnd	Aug 10 19:18
schestowitz	MinceR:	Aug 10 19:18
schestowitz	!google phoronix nsa systemd	Aug 10 19:18
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TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - The NSA Is Looking At Systemd's KDBUS - Phoronix Forums \| http://www.phoronix.com/forums/forum/phoronix/general-discussion/810047-the-nsa-is-looking-at-systemd-s-kdbus	Aug 10 19:18
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - systemd - Phoronix \| http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php%3Fpage%3Dsearch%26q%3Dsystemd	Aug 10 19:18
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - systemd Linux & Open-Source News - Phoronix \| https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php%3Fpage%3Dnews_topic%26q%3Dsystemd	Aug 10 19:18
__martin__	oh, this reminded me, that our Michael over there reviewed Vi$ta10 and I haven't read it yet :D	Aug 10 19:19
schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2014/02/11/roundup-of-debian-news/	Aug 10 19:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-techrights.org \| What Debian Does is a Very Big Deal \| Techrights [ http://ur1.ca/nemgu ]		Aug 10 19:19
__martin__	thanks	Aug 10 19:20
schestowitz	1.5 years ago I wrote: "'Debian, which SteamOS is based on, may already be the world’s most widely used GNU/Linux distribution (Red Hat leads only in revenue, not necessarily code or deployments), so now that Red Hat’s Systemd 197 is released (full announcement here) there is an important crossroad where init systems fight for domination. Systemd is not for everyone and dependence on Red Hat might not be ideal because of security risks	Aug 10 19:20
schestowitz	in Linux [1, 2, 3, 4] among other factors. It’s up to Debian developers now; they can judge it from a technical point of view."	Aug 10 19:20
schestowitz	Back then I still called it init system	Aug 10 19:20
schestowitz	before it turned cancerous state 3 and spread...	Aug 10 19:20
schestowitz	with dependencies too	Aug 10 19:20
MinceR	:>	Aug 10 19:22
__martin__	schestowitz: consider reading this Roy, http://suckless.org/sucks/systemd	Aug 10 19:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-suckless.org \| sucks - systemd \| suckless.org software that sucks less		Aug 10 19:22
XRevan86	Good night, folks.	Aug 10 19:22
__martin__	gn	Aug 10 19:23
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schestowitz	http://techrights.org/2014/01/24/dependent-on-red-hat/	Aug 10 19:24
schestowitz	also here	Aug 10 19:24
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cubexyz	systemd is the main reason why I stopped using fedora	Aug 10 19:27
cubexyz	well... to be accurate I didn't really stop	Aug 10 19:27
schestowitz	" if newly discovered patents are anything to go by. "	Aug 10 19:28
cubexyz	but no new installs... that's it	Aug 10 19:28
schestowitz	http://www.pcadvisor.co.uk/new-product/mobile-phone/iphone-7-release-date-rumours-specs-new-features-photo-2015-iphone-6s-force-touch-ios-9-july-a9-chip-september-3584097/	Aug 10 19:28
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schestowitz	Look ma! I DISCOVERED A PATENT!	Aug 10 19:28
schestowitz	I was under the kitchen tiles all this time!!	Aug 10 19:28
MinceR	yum was the main reason i stopped using fedora	Aug 10 19:32
MinceR	ooh, hypePhone hype	Aug 10 19:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Unreal Engine-Based Dungeon Defenders II to Get	Aug 10 19:35
TweetTuxMachines	a Linux Release	Aug 10 19:35
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/cY95IxOZsG (linux.softpedia.com)	Aug 10 19:35
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nemk6	Aug 10 19:35
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schestowitz	MinceR: they have patents	Aug 10 19:40
schestowitz	innovative apple	Aug 10 19:41
schestowitz	they dug up and discovered them	Aug 10 19:41
schestowitz	like gold	Aug 10 19:41
MinceR	yeah, they innovated the rounded rectangle :>	Aug 10 19:45
__martin__	oh one thing i noticed in these days	Aug 10 19:46
__martin__	this euphemism for metadata grab	Aug 10 19:46
__martin__	"telemetry" :_DDD	Aug 10 19:46
MinceR	:>	Aug 10 19:46
MinceR	i wonder if that bothers people who do actual, real telemetry	Aug 10 19:47
MinceR	not just cheap spying	Aug 10 19:47
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__martin__	me thinks: what if in some parallel universe a far more superior civilization dishonored competitive advantage of patents and openly elevated the common progress for every citizen or entity	Aug 10 20:02
__martin__	maybe i shall write my own utopian story	Aug 10 20:03
__martin__	here on earth i am expecting some patent wave regards living underwater.. 33°C @ 6pm in the heart of europe yest.	Aug 10 20:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Superb Stellaris RTS from Paradox Interactive	Aug 10 21:06
TweetTuxMachines	to Launch on Linux http://t.co/aCUcdEqcnR	Aug 10 21:06
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Aug 10 21:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Gaming http://t.co/nP5d7gxDg1	Aug 10 21:06
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nen57	Aug 10 21:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Release: Linux 4.1.5, Linux 3.14.50, Linux	Aug 10 21:06
TweetTuxMachines	3.10.86 http://t.co/4SXqGwvRx2	Aug 10 21:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines An Everyday Linux User Review Of Elementary OS	Aug 10 21:10
TweetTuxMachines	Freya http://t.co/kTs4GXEpkZ	Aug 10 21:10
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 10 21:10
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nen68	Aug 10 21:10
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DNF 1.1 Adds MIPS Support, New Options	Aug 10 21:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open-Source Linux Graphics Stack Improvements	Aug 10 21:11
TweetTuxMachines	Coming For PowerPC 64 LE http://t.co/Jl8FL0on5J	Aug 10 21:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat names Deutsche Bank CIO to board	Aug 10 21:11
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nen6b	Aug 10 21:11
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msb_	schestowitz: Please give a reference for this: "<schestowitz> russia bombed their airport and stuff / shelled to rubble"	Aug 11 02:37
schestowitz	!google russia shell airport ukraine	Aug 11 03:30
TechrightsBot-tr	[1] - Shelling of Donetsk, Russia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia \| https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shelling_of_Donetsk,_Russia	Aug 11 03:30
TechrightsBot-tr	[2] - Ukraine crisis: Army retreats at Donetsk airport - BBC News \| http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-30929344	Aug 11 03:30
TechrightsBot-tr	[3] - Russia-backed separatists seize Donetsk airport in Ukraine \| World ... \| http://www.theguardian.com/world/2015/jan/15/russian-backed-separatists-seize-donetsk-airport-ukraine	Aug 11 03:30
TechrightsBot-tr	[4] - Leonid Bershidsky: Battered shell of Donetsk's ruined airport reflects ... \| http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/leonid-bershidsky-the-battered-shell-of-donetsks-ruined-airport-reflects-hopelessness-of-ukraine-conflict	Aug 11 03:30
schestowitz	wait...	Aug 11 03:31
schestowitz	see http://mashable.com/2015/01/27/in-pictures-war-reduces-eastern-ukraines-donetsk-airport-to-rubble/	Aug 11 03:32
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-mashable.com \| Before and after photos: War reduces Ukraine's Donetsk airport to rubble [ http://ur1.ca/nepbg ]		Aug 11 03:32
schestowitz	not sure whose planes or shells	Aug 11 03:34
schestowitz	not clear from the context	Aug 11 03:35
schestowitz	http://news.sky.com/gallery/1438209/march-rubble-of-donetsk-airport	Aug 11 03:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.sky.com \| Ukraine: The Rubble Of Donetsk Airport [ http://ur1.ca/nepca ]		Aug 11 03:35
schestowitz	"A Ukrainian army tank destroyed in fighting with the separatist self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic army lies outside a terminal at Donetsk airport"	Aug 11 03:35
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/wn4WkW2gXU	Aug 11 03:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@schestowitz	Aug 11 03:56
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Quad-core Snapdragon COM offers three dev kit	Aug 11 03:57
TweetTuxMachines	options http://t.co/MBJgDHZz2q	Aug 11 03:57
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DNF 1.1 Adds MIPS Support, New Options	Aug 11 03:57
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/WfdX75xOtB (www.phoronix.com)	Aug 11 03:57
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/neph8	Aug 11 03:57
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/631009753947205632	Aug 11 03:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: Too bad ~global scale criminals who…vest upon themselves the right & power to decide who lives & who dies~ aren't in https://t.co/4L8MKy7P9o		Aug 11 03:58
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: U.S. 'supermax' prison: 'Alcatraz of the Rockies' is seen as 'inhuman and degrading' http://t.co/eHiEvoH6BQ mass #incarceration and slaves		Aug 11 03:58
schestowitz	It's their facilities, they wouldn't make it to put themselves in	Aug 11 03:58
schestowitz	[00:19] <__martin__> oh, this reminded me, that our Michael over there reviewed Vi$ta10 and I haven't read it yet :D	Aug 11 03:59
schestowitz	Eric, not Michael	Aug 11 03:59
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msb_	"On 11 May 2014, a controversial referendum was held in Donetsk in which voters could choose political independence. It was stated by the head of the self-proclaimed Donetsk People's Republic election commission, Roman Lyagin, that almost 90 percent of those who voted in the Donetsk Region endorsed political independence from Kyiv. Ukraine does not recognize the referendum, while the EU and US said the polls were illegal" -- https://en.	Aug 11 04:02
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msb_	wikipedia.org/wiki/Donetsk#Events_in_2014	Aug 11 04:02
msb_	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donetsk#Events_in_2014	Aug 11 04:03
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msb_	Donetsk is a region in Eastern Ukraine whose population would much rather be in Russia h	Aug 11 04:04
msb_	...than under the Nazi Ukraine regime installed by the US.	Aug 11 04:05
msb_	schestowitz: "Heavy shelling by the Ukrainian Army and paramilitary units have caused civilian fatalities in Donetsk." -- op.cit.	Aug 11 04:06
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msb_	schestowitz: The entire Ukraine war was started by the coup installation of a Nazi government in Ukraine by the US. http://www.globalresearch.ca/the-u-s-has-installed-a-neo-nazi-government-in-ukraine/5371554	Aug 11 04:10
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.globalresearch.ca \| The U.S. has Installed a Neo-Nazi Government in Ukraine \| Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization [ http://ur1.ca/ji3em ]		Aug 11 04:10
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Open-Source Linux Graphics Stack Improvements	Aug 11 04:11
TweetTuxMachines	Coming For PowerPC 64 LE http://t.co/4s1zwlOZGB	Aug 11 04:11
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Aug 11 04:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Red Hat names Deutsche Bank CIO to board	Aug 11 04:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/OOlNJOtUWq (www.newsobserver.com)	Aug 11 04:11
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-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.newsobserver.com \| Red Hat names Deutsche Bank CIO to board \| News & Observer		Aug 11 04:11
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 Core: install and forget	Aug 11 04:11
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/iFkaLVMceZ (linuxblog.darkduck.com)	Aug 11 04:11
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msb_	schestowitz: This was done by psychopaths in the US govt like Obama and Hillary Clinton, who think the US can only be safe if it controls the entire world.	Aug 11 04:12
msb_	schestowitz: Russians remember well the murders of 20,000,000 Russians by the Nazis in WW2, which as it turns out were also financed by the US -- http://cosmicpenguin.com/#US_Nazis	Aug 11 04:15
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-cosmicpenguin.com \| Human Society That Works For Everyone		Aug 11 04:15
msb_	schestowitz: Yet you have swallowed the US propaganda and put the blame for this on Russia and Putin: "<schestowitz> control by fear seems to 'work' for Putin"	Aug 11 04:19
msb_	schestowitz: Putin and Russia and Russian Ukrainians in East Ukraine were all quiet and peaceful until the US-backed Nazi coup Ukraine government attacked.	Aug 11 04:21
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msb_	schestowitz: The US Nazi coup in Ukraine is part of the same US programme that includes the 9-11 false-flag operation and the attacks on Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria.	Aug 11 04:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/631028568638648320	Aug 11 05:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: "These fresh #Linux migrants are actually the ppl the Zorin team works for" Unlike #EU/#USA…🐧 welcomes #migrants ;-) https://t.co/ILWJ1tL8N7		Aug 11 05:07
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schestowitz	US/EU call their own immigrants (to other countries) expatriots. Euphemism.	Aug 11 05:08
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Confusing Treasure for Junk in Linuxland	Aug 11 05:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Zorin OS 10 Core: install and forget	Aug 11 05:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Ubuntu http://t.co/1fgU7csSeO	Aug 11 05:17
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/631031655004635137	Aug 11 05:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: Indeed…we'd even make the case that #AbyaYala≈#AnishinabeWaki≈#CemAnahuac has been populated by #EU 'expatriots' ;-) https://t.co/xKdiRqBzoO		Aug 11 05:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @Metztli_IT US/EU call their own immigrants (to other countries) expatriots. Euphemism.		Aug 11 05:23
schestowitz	Assumes they own the world, or that the world is their oyster	Aug 11 05:23
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/631035712066883585	Aug 11 05:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: ironic…after they uproot, by #genocide & #war, a local population & occupy/control their land…they blame the victims https://t.co/NVeTxn0VPF		Aug 11 05:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @Metztli_IT Assumes they own the world, or that the world is their oyster		Aug 11 05:36
schestowitz	the belied that you make them more 'civilised' by occupying them, cultural differences and confirmation bias on the loose	Aug 11 05:36
schestowitz	belief	Aug 11 05:37
schestowitz	I envy cultures that reject the notion of ownership	Aug 11 05:37
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/jmcest/status/631036378336370688	Aug 11 05:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@jmcest: RT @schestowitz #facebook shares some #surveillance code ('marketing') http://t.co/cakdgIPHOf http://t.co/OMJYP0qDfP		Aug 11 05:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.programmableweb.com \| Facebook to Open Source Reference App For Marketing API \| ProgrammableWeb		Aug 11 05:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.adweek.com \| Facebook Releases Reference App for Marketing API \| SocialTimes		Aug 11 05:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines today's howtos http://t.co/3lCs7QrOa3	Aug 11 05:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines What's next for the privacy-conscious ownCloud	Aug 11 05:54
TweetTuxMachines	project http://t.co/SByE2HhxSe	Aug 11 05:54
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 11 05:54
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Top 10 Open Source eCommerce Platforms	Aug 11 05:54
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Lu6uuQG98v (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 11 05:54
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/631040796985311232	Aug 11 06:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz Unfortunately a reason to move away from the Pi.		Aug 11 06:02
schestowitz	MS Vista 10	Aug 11 06:02
oiaohm	Really I think it impressive that Libreoffice 5.0 is the first one to be able to take all the samples from the libreoffice bugzilla and not crash 75 thousand documents.	Aug 11 06:04
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/631045959976247296	Aug 11 06:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: Indeed, latter term seems to have been contributed by the #Spaniards & has been institutionalized in their colonies https://t.co/hG1C3LXDKH		Aug 11 06:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: @Metztli_IT Or "savages" or "negros" (what US top brass called Filipinos when invading their country)		Aug 11 06:19
schestowitz	What did Spaniards call the Native Americans in what now gets called "mexico"?	Aug 11 06:19
XRevan86	"krasnolitsiye"? :D	Aug 11 06:21
TweetTuxMachines	@RamiSilawi RT @tuxmachines: Top 10 Open Source #eCommerce	Aug 11 06:23
TweetTuxMachines	Platforms http://t.co/zzceRsBo9H	Aug 11 06:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 11 06:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines BlackBerry’s first Android phone: More leaked	Aug 11 06:23
TweetTuxMachines	pictures emerge http://t.co/UxSIz6V9L6	Aug 11 06:23
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Lite, A Friendly Linux Distros For	Aug 11 06:23
TweetTuxMachines	Windows/New Users http://t.co/sSPYw1nMSh	Aug 11 06:23
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 11 06:23
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XRevan86	schestowitz: I still can't find the reason why Kiselyov's Facebook account was blocked.	Aug 11 06:24
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/631049436949553152	Aug 11 06:30
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@_Goblin: @schestowitz In other words, you can never secure a system to the point where human stupidity can be catered for.		Aug 11 06:30
schestowitz	people need to be picky what code they let run, often based on reputation of developers	Aug 11 06:30
XRevan86	https://meduza.io/news/2015/07/20/dmitriyu-kiselevu-vernuli-feysbuk-i-instagram I can only find information about his account being blocked by a mistake.	Aug 11 06:30
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schestowitz	This, for instance, is why it's a dumb idea to install apps made by Microsoft, Apple, and some incognito firms	Aug 11 06:31
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schestowitz	XRevan86: I think it's about deletion of a post	Aug 11 06:32
schestowitz	not account block	Aug 11 06:32
schestowitz	there may be several similar incidents	Aug 11 06:32
XRevan86	schestowitz: That I can't find at all.	Aug 11 06:32
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/_Goblin/status/631051134690570240	Aug 11 06:35
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@_Goblin: @schestowitz I think the issue is with the mainstream, if they see it on-line they trust it by default.		Aug 11 06:35
schestowitz	some android devices make it very hard to install software outside the repos, and maybe that's the reason	Aug 11 06:35
schestowitz	XRevan86: from what i can recall, some high level russian official used an offensive word to collectively refer to ukrainians	Aug 11 06:36
schestowitz	something which maybe means pests or rats	Aug 11 06:36
schestowitz	but I can't recall which site I read this at	Aug 11 06:36
schestowitz	probably not kremlin-centric as they wouldn't say what it was which was so offensive	Aug 11 06:37
schestowitz	facebook deleted his post	Aug 11 06:37
schestowitz	unless he removed it and faked deletion	Aug 11 06:37
schestowitz	or complaints made by useds [sic] of facebook	Aug 11 06:37
XRevan86	schestowitz: It happend this month?	Aug 11 06:39
schestowitz	no, maybe 2 months ago	Aug 11 06:44
schestowitz	I could try hard to search for it	Aug 11 06:44
schestowitz	but the net benefit wouldn't make it worthwhile imho	Aug 11 06:44
schestowitz	russian ministers should avoid fb	Aug 11 06:45
schestowitz	not ban it	Aug 11 06:45
schestowitz	not require that they put their servers in .ru	Aug 11 06:45
schestowitz	just ignore that crap	Aug 11 06:45
schestowitz	and maybe explain better to their population how it helps their arch rival spy on russians	Aug 11 06:45
schestowitz	even at their work, which can include gov. or military work	Aug 11 06:45
schestowitz	china has been good at that	Aug 11 06:46
schestowitz	i think it's largely banned or shunned/ignored in china	Aug 11 06:46
schestowitz	people wouldn't even bother working around blocks/firewalls to get to these walled gardens	Aug 11 06:46
XRevan86	schestowitz: If they would, I'd be surprised.	Aug 11 06:48
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Here's What the BlackBerry-Android Phone	Aug 11 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	Reportedly Looks Like http://t.co/fBHBv1E6LN	Aug 11 07:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.pcmag.com \| Here's What the BlackBerry-Android Phone Reportedly Looks Like \| News & Opinion \| PCMag.com		Aug 11 07:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Pay To Be Unveiled Alongside LG Nexus 5	Aug 11 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	(2015): Report http://t.co/RQju2oVrRn	Aug 11 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.ibtimes.com)	Aug 11 07:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Pixar’s Universal Screen Description software	Aug 11 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	is going open source http://t.co/nsPukY8nkK	Aug 11 07:36
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 11 07:36
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Linux Lite, a Friendly Linux Distro For	Aug 11 09:16
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TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/LQVeJqXnwg (www.linuxandubuntu.com)	Aug 11 09:16
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 Alpha Release http://t.co/j69CYH7Bw1	Aug 11 09:17
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Links 11/8/2015: Linux 4.2 RC 6, 4.1.5,	Aug 11 09:55
TweetTuxMachines	3.14.50, and 3.10.86 http://t.co/aPkfw1UByo	Aug 11 09:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Android Leftovers http://t.co/MRYwSz0Y9b	Aug 11 09:55
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 11 09:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Leftovers: Red Hat http://t.co/fM33QCFsnQ	Aug 11 09:55
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox 40 for Linux Arrives with Better Video	Aug 11 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	Playback and Graphics Performance	Aug 11 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/2GUvYdgcFu (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 11 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nesoe	Aug 11 11:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Firefox 40 for Linux Arrives with Better Video Playback and Graphics Performance \| Tux Machines		Aug 11 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu One file syncing code Open Sourced	Aug 11 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/xmIi2GnYN2 (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 11 11:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop	Aug 11 11:19
TweetTuxMachines	environments compared http://t.co/vv3WLmFrrE	Aug 11 11:19
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Solus Operating System to Arrive on October	Aug 11 12:11
TweetTuxMachines	1 http://t.co/vUOy9laLso (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 11 12:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AppStream Support Moving Along For	Aug 11 12:11
TweetTuxMachines	Kubuntu/Debian http://t.co/AUEWpUSZm8	Aug 11 12:11
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/s9E8Kcrjra	Aug 11 12:11
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schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6453059	Aug 11 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When #oracle bullying does not manage to induce self #censorship among staff there's is outright censorship. Now 404! https://web.archive.org/web/20150811052336/https://blogs.oracle.com/maryanndavidson/entry/no_you_really_can_t		Aug 11 12:17
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> web.archive.org \| No, You Really Can’t (Mary Ann Davidson Blog) [ http://ur1.ca/netdc ]		Aug 11 12:17
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/s9E8Kcrjra	Aug 11 12:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines OpenSSH 7.0 http://t.co/jM6kLB6wIQ	Aug 11 12:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Today in Techrights http://t.co/mGWfAYmC62	Aug 11 12:32
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 to Land in Two Weeks	Aug 11 12:33
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/77LPx2eJUP (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 11 12:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Alcatel OneTouch Idol 3 an unlocked Android	Aug 11 12:33
TweetTuxMachines	bargain (Review) http://t.co/BGj813juiP	Aug 11 12:33
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines 'CVE-2015-4495 and SELinux', Or why doesn't	Aug 11 12:53
TweetTuxMachines	SELinux confine Firefox? http://t.co/LHOjjZY8Cn	Aug 11 12:53
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Plasma 5.4 Beta Adds Shine	Aug 11 12:53
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/QmFSGMJJE8 (dot.kde.org)	Aug 11 12:53
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Diversity enriches middle school Linux user	Aug 11 12:54
TweetTuxMachines	group https://t.co/KO0JH3ecF1 (opensource.com)	Aug 11 12:54
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TweetTuxMachines	Playback and Graphics Performance	Aug 11 13:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu One file syncing code Open Sourced	Aug 11 13:00
TweetTuxMachines	https://t.co/68tXd3SwTq (insights.ubuntu.com)	Aug 11 13:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Freedom of choice: 7 top Linux desktop	Aug 11 13:00
TweetTuxMachines	environments compared http://t.co/JTAfG7zsyZ	Aug 11 13:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE: SHOULD WE TARGET EGL AS THE DEFAULT?	Aug 11 13:04
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/B63oDMWPz1	Aug 11 13:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines AppStream Support Moving Along For	Aug 11 13:04
TweetTuxMachines	Kubuntu/Debian http://t.co/IeDZS2Vlvj	Aug 11 13:04
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines The Solus Operating System to Arrive on October	Aug 11 13:05
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Touch OTA-6 to Land in Two Weeks	Aug 11 13:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/4orzl7T2nN (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 11 13:05
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/lukOlejnik/status/631153389456465921 https://twitter.com/lukOlejnik/status/631153474181439488	Aug 11 13:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lukOlejnik: @schestowitz Thank you for interest in our work. Please note Firefox fix https://t.co/k4XbglKuBy W3C amendment https://t.co/oeGPOd2QBp		Aug 11 13:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> bugzilla.mozilla.org \| 1124127 – Round Off Navigator Battery Level on Linux		Aug 11 13:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> lists.w3.org \| Re: Tracking via Battery status makes the news from Nick Doty on 2015-08-03 (public-privacy@w3.org from July to September 2015)		Aug 11 13:24
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lukOlejnik: @schestowitz if this is "manufactured", so be it!		Aug 11 13:24
schestowitz	Firefox may be responding to media reports, which lead to concerns (however unjustified these may be)	Aug 11 13:25
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/T_Miller_Harper/status/631154266523176960	Aug 11 13:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@T_Miller_Harper: Only if you listen to it. https://t.co/TmEys3bUHO		Aug 11 13:25
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: "Sky News frightening people with information about “terror”..remind people that they are powerless to do anything." https://t.co/UPRScRlxvh		Aug 11 13:25
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/lukOlejnik/status/631154612951760896	Aug 11 13:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lukOlejnik: @schestowitz Please check the date, it's from January.		Aug 11 13:26
schestowitz	I missed that	Aug 11 13:26
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/lukOlejnik/status/631154790794403840	Aug 11 13:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lukOlejnik: @schestowitz But I understand all this did not fit into the story you cited in the original tweet. So be it.		Aug 11 13:27
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/lukOlejnik/status/631154931693694976 https://twitter.com/lukOlejnik/status/631155088283840513	Aug 11 13:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lukOlejnik: @schestowitz W3C was also notified WELL before the story somehow got into the media. Is it my fault?		Aug 11 13:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lukOlejnik: @schestowitz Some of the media did oversensationalize, but @Computerworld did a classical anti-story with picks.		Aug 11 13:29
schestowitz	there are much more serious issues like low entropy that lets spy access webcam streams and the like...	Aug 11 13:29
schestowitz	*spies	Aug 11 13:29
schestowitz	and I'm not friend of #computerworld - just part of the villainous #idg network http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/IDG	Aug 11 13:31
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schestowitz	To do some interesting research, see how much privacy-infringing JS IDG injects to all articles. From dozens of domains.	Aug 11 13:32
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Alcatel OneTouch Idol 3 an unlocked Android	Aug 11 13:33
TweetTuxMachines	bargain (Review) http://t.co/oL68qSCKTz	Aug 11 13:33
TweetTuxMachines	(www.starkinsider.com)	Aug 11 13:33
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.starkinsider.com \| Alcatel OneTouch Idol 3 an unlocked Android bargain (Review) \| Stark Insider		Aug 11 13:33
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/neuft	Aug 11 13:33
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/lukOlejnik/status/631156552276295680	Aug 11 13:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@lukOlejnik: @schestowitz @Computerworld issuing external JS is not sexy in privacy research circles anymore - researched to death. Also be me ;)		Aug 11 13:34
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cubexyz	there's nothing in any programs i've wrote that needs systemd	Aug 11 16:18
cubexyz	even with twm everything works	Aug 11 16:18
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6454155	Aug 11 16:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Ubuntu One file syncing code Open Sourced https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/08/10/ubuntu-one-file-syncing-code-open-sourced		Aug 11 16:19
schestowitz	"Fantastic!"	Aug 11 16:19
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schestowitz	Well overdue, too	Aug 11 16:19
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cubexyz	well, new Linux uptime record today	Aug 11 16:35
cubexyz	277 days	Aug 11 16:35
cubexyz	not bad for a 17 year old computer	Aug 11 16:36
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/haniefhaider/status/631202429393076224	Aug 11 16:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@haniefhaider: @schestowitz Under what letter should I look up for the Democratic Party? #GoogleAlphabet		Aug 11 16:40
schestowitz	cubexyz: wow, that's from the 90s	Aug 11 16:40
cubexyz	it is :)	Aug 11 16:40
schestowitz	I ruined mine, the power supply	Aug 11 16:41
schestowitz	tried too hard to stick something into it	Aug 11 16:41
schestowitz	compaq	Aug 11 16:41
cubexyz	I guess your earlier comment wasn't completely inaccurate	Aug 11 16:41
schestowitz	1999	Aug 11 16:41
cubexyz	I have computers that still work from the 1980s	Aug 11 16:41
cubexyz	CRT from 1985	Aug 11 16:42
cubexyz	all the P4's developed some problem, probably due to heat	Aug 11 16:44
cubexyz	so the older P3 systems outlasted the P4 systems	Aug 11 16:44
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cubexyz	they say a power supply can last 11.6 months on average	Aug 11 16:50
cubexyz	11.6 years rather	Aug 11 16:50
cubexyz	but I've seen some high-end pentium pro systems still working with the original power supply	Aug 11 16:52
cubexyz	1996 era, so 19 years	Aug 11 16:52
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schestowitz	Microsoft and the spyware known as Vista 10 is HARDLY a promotion for #raspi (education). MS gets PR, Raspi gets $.	Aug 11 17:32
schestowitz	Ask them how much money (or other incentives) Microsoft gives them (or their foundation). Would shock me if nothing.	Aug 11 17:34
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/631214766367862784	Aug 11 17:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz Despite Ebens assurance when questioned I am not convinced there is mutual promotion there for free.		Aug 11 17:34
schestowitz	https://joindiaspora.com/posts/6454155	Aug 11 17:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@linux@joindiaspora.com: Ubuntu One file syncing code Open Sourced https://insights.ubuntu.com/2015/08/10/ubuntu-one-file-syncing-code-open-sourced		Aug 11 17:36
schestowitz	"That’s true hehe"	Aug 11 17:36
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schestowitz	They use so much free code, not just from Debian	Aug 11 17:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tails 1.5 is out https://t.co/BMkk70xUxM	Aug 11 18:38
TweetTuxMachines	(tails.boum.org)	Aug 11 18:38
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/newpo	Aug 11 18:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines NVIDIA Releases Linux Graphics Debugger For	Aug 11 18:38
TweetTuxMachines	OpenGL 4.2~4.5 http://t.co/zC73KDL5ZU	Aug 11 18:38
TweetTuxMachines	(www.phoronix.com)	Aug 11 18:38
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.phoronix.com \| NVIDIA Releases Linux Graphics Debugger For OpenGL 4.2~4.5 - Phoronix		Aug 11 18:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/newpp	Aug 11 18:38
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DNF 1.1.0 and DNF-PLUGINS-CORE 0.1.10 Released	Aug 11 18:38
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/2n2dHjv0cY (dnf.baseurl.org)	Aug 11 18:38
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/newpq	Aug 11 18:38
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 Alpha with Devel Version of GNOME	Aug 11 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	3.18 http://t.co/pFs8NVK4X9	Aug 11 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com) http://t.co/aiYrAgBbA0	Aug 11 19:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Fedora 23 Alpha Arrives with Devel Version of GNOME 3.18 - Softpedia		Aug 11 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	(fedoramagazine.org)	Aug 11 19:05
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/newx5	Aug 11 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Bodhi Linux 3.1.0 Release	Aug 11 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/SseU828TvS (www.bodhilinux.com)	Aug 11 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/newx6	Aug 11 19:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.bodhilinux.com \| Bodhi Linux 3.1.0 Release \| Bodhi Linux		Aug 11 19:05
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Developers Want To Make It Easier To Run	Aug 11 19:06
TweetTuxMachines	The Latest NVIDIA Drivers	Aug 11 19:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/5UUUziCGZB (www.phoronix.com)	Aug 11 19:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/newy1	Aug 11 19:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines DNF 1.1.0 and DNF-PLUGINS-CORE 0.1.10 Released	Aug 11 19:06
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/so0al3fDXL (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 11 19:06
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/newy2	Aug 11 19:06
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Fedora 23 Alpha Arrives with Devel Version of	Aug 11 19:06
TweetTuxMachines	GNOME 3.18 http://t.co/Op6QO6YZi0	Aug 11 19:06
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/newy4	Aug 11 19:06
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| Fedora 23 Alpha Arrives with Devel Version of GNOME 3.18 \| Tux Machines		Aug 11 19:07
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Bodhi Linux 3.1.0 Release	Aug 11 19:07
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/rqEp41qAFy (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 11 19:07
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/newy5	Aug 11 19:07
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Ubuntu Developers Want To Make It Easier To Run	Aug 11 19:43
TweetTuxMachines	The Latest NVIDIA Drivers	Aug 11 19:43
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/IpJYY9wFaR (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 11 19:43
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nex9o	Aug 11 19:43
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Tails 1.5 is out http://t.co/NTHqAvjDcb	Aug 11 19:43
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 11 19:43
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nex9q	Aug 11 19:43
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kali Linux 2.0 Released https://t.co/Bib8UMHNlJ	Aug 11 19:44
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TweetTuxMachines	(www.kali.org)	Aug 11 19:44
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GOG Have Supported Linux For Just Over A Year,	Aug 11 20:31
TweetTuxMachines	Announce New Linux Installer System	Aug 11 20:31
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/gsyWEwgJPs (www.gamingonlinux.com)	Aug 11 20:31
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nexlt	Aug 11 20:31
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.gamingonlinux.com \| GOG Have Supported Linux For Just Over A Year, Announce New Linux Installer System \| GamingOnLinux		Aug 11 20:31
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kali Linux 2.0 Released http://t.co/jKmixLjVQs	Aug 11 20:32
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 11 20:32
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nexlv	Aug 11 20:32
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cubexyz	ha!	Aug 11 20:48
cubexyz	finally got kooka working	Aug 11 20:48
cubexyz	the damned thing stopped working when libusb appeared	Aug 11 20:51
cubexyz	ah, I spoke too soon	Aug 11 21:09
cubexyz	it gets farther but the scanner starts stuttering... what a pain	Aug 11 21:10
cubexyz	it's the damned rts8891 backend	Aug 11 21:11
cubexyz	you can buy "The Decline of Western Civilizaton" at the microsoft store:	Aug 11 22:28
cubexyz	https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/store/movies/the-decline-of-western-civilization-part-iii/8d6kgx022wng	Aug 11 22:29
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.microsoft.com \| The Decline of Western Civilization Part III - Microsoft Store [ http://ur1.ca/neyem ]		Aug 11 22:29
msb_	Kill for the love of killing! Kill for the love of Kali Linux 2.0!	Aug 11 22:38
cubexyz	is that some para-phrase? :)	Aug 11 22:46
cubexyz	well trinity on vector linux was a big bust	Aug 11 22:46
cubexyz	autoconf was too old, libtool was too old	Aug 11 22:46
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msb_	cubexyz: Gunga Din (1939) movie, based on Rudyard Kipling poem.	Aug 11 23:03
msb_	cubexyz: Are you saying that autoconf and libtool in Vector Linux are too old?	Aug 11 23:05
cubexyz	in this version of vector linux yes	Aug 11 23:06
msb_	I guess we can't expect Trinity to cover all old versions of Linux.	Aug 11 23:07
msb_	Does that vector have KDE3?	Aug 11 23:07
cubexyz	lots of stuff in there... the dev system for gcc 2.95, tons of old X11 programs, icewm, the only KDE 3.5.10 dev system I still have	Aug 11 23:07
cubexyz	a lot of the old loki games too	Aug 11 23:07
cubexyz	msb_, it does yes	Aug 11 23:08
msb_	So if it has KDE3, there's no point in porting trinity to it.	Aug 11 23:08
cubexyz	well I'm curious about Trinity still	Aug 11 23:08
cubexyz	so I'll probably set up another machine for it	Aug 11 23:08
msb_	I think their website tells which versions of which distros of Linux it works with.	Aug 11 23:09
cubexyz	yeah, slackware 12.2	Aug 11 23:10
cubexyz	vector linux is 12.1 :-/	Aug 11 23:10
cubexyz	missed by an inch	Aug 11 23:11
msb_	Missed it by that much!	Aug 11 23:11
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/285-yonge-1949-gunga-din.jpg	Aug 11 23:12
msb_	Trinity doesn't have many developers, and the work they're doing -- enabling people to avoid the poisonous KDE4 -- is very important. So they have to allot their efforts efficiently.	Aug 11 23:12
cubexyz	it's a pity there's no vector linux with trinity	Aug 11 23:13
cubexyz	there's only a few parts of KDE I'm interested in	Aug 11 23:14
cubexyz	kdm, konsole, klipper, kmix, kooka	Aug 11 23:15
cubexyz	but there's also kalgebra, kalzium, probably a few other bits	Aug 11 23:15
cubexyz	kstars	Aug 11 23:18
cubexyz	guess I better keep the ol' KDE 3.5.10 stuff in tact	Aug 11 23:18
msb_	You could ask on #trinity-desktop on irc.opensuse.org	Aug 11 23:18
msb_	Or on the user or dev mailinglist.	Aug 11 23:19
cubexyz	ask them what?	Aug 11 23:19
cubexyz	if they have any distros cooking?	Aug 11 23:19
cubexyz	I suppose it wouldn't be too hard to make one	Aug 11 23:20
msb_	Yes, or how you can port trinity to vector.	Aug 11 23:20
cubexyz	my main question is: What does trinity do that KDE 3.5.10 doesn't do	Aug 11 23:21
msb_	AFAIK, nothing, except fix a few bugs. I vaguely recall they may have moved from qt3 to qt4.	Aug 11 23:23
msb_	Maybe they just didn't want the bad guys to be able to tell everyone they must move to KDE4 because KDE3 is dead.	Aug 11 23:24
msb_	But you can ask in IRC.	Aug 11 23:25
cubexyz	the main reason why I dislike KDE 4 was it ran slower than KDE 3	Aug 11 23:25
cubexyz	but now I just use parts of KDE 3	Aug 11 23:26
msb_	It sabotaged multiple virtual desktops, which are very important. And it has 150 bling adjustments. And its ways of adjusting panel height, etc., are clumsy and stupid. They changed things just for the sake of changing them.	Aug 11 23:27
cubexyz	I used to use kradio a fair bit... but that too was orphaned	Aug 11 23:27
cubexyz	FC1 has the only version, but the source is probably on the web somewhere	Aug 11 23:29
cubexyz	actually I do have the 2006 source for kradio	Aug 11 23:30
cubexyz	when I lost the VHF antenna I stopped listening to FM radio mostly	Aug 11 23:32
msb_	I have it, but apparently it needs a radio card.	Aug 11 23:33
msb_	Lots of stations broadcast on the Web.	Aug 11 23:33
cubexyz	I wanted something that would work if the internet was down	Aug 11 23:34
msb_	You could use a regular radio.	Aug 11 23:35
cubexyz	plus I have sat radio :)	Aug 11 23:36
cubexyz	and they also broadcast some radio on UHF	Aug 11 23:36
cubexyz	The Power was more violent than I remembered	Aug 11 23:38
cubexyz	I bet they censored it for TV	Aug 11 23:38
msb_	The movie with Suzanne Pleshette?	Aug 11 23:39
cubexyz	yes	Aug 11 23:39
msb_	The guy who was locked in the centrifuge looked pretty bad!	Aug 11 23:40
cubexyz	yeah watching that part was difficult	Aug 11 23:40
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msb_	But it's a great movie. Lots of clever stuff.	Aug 11 23:41
cubexyz	so when the professor sees the door has disappeared, it's not really gone is it?	Aug 11 23:42
cubexyz	it's just he thinks it's gone	Aug 11 23:42
msb_	Was Aldo Ray the guy who drove the jeep?	Aug 11 23:42
cubexyz	yes	Aug 11 23:42
msb_	I guess making the prof hallucinate would take less psychic power than actually changing the door.	Aug 11 23:43
cubexyz	and did he put himself in the certrifuge?	Aug 11 23:44
cubexyz	lots of unanswered questions	Aug 11 23:45
cubexyz	I bet Adam Hart would fit in at Microsoft :)	Aug 11 23:47
msb_	Microsoft is evil, but compared to the US govt it's peanuts.	Aug 11 23:48
cubexyz	ok, NSA then	Aug 11 23:49
msb_	They just spy on people. The president, State Dept and military murder millions and destroy entire nations.	Aug 11 23:51
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/shouldnt-have-used-windows-10.jpg	Aug 11 23:51
msb_	Oog!	Aug 11 23:52
msb_	Needs the caption.	Aug 11 23:54
msb_	cubexyz: Have you seen Working Girl?	Aug 11 23:57
cubexyz	nope	Aug 11 23:57
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msb_	It's in the naughtiest of naughty places!	Aug 11 23:59
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DaemonFC	schestowitz, Another megapatch for Windows 10.	Aug 12 00:00
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/shouldnt-have-used-windows-10.jpg	Aug 12 00:00
cubexyz	I told him not to upgrade, but he didn't listen!	Aug 12 00:01
DaemonFC	http://www.zdnet.com/article/microsoft-delivers-second-cumulative-update-for-windows-10/	Aug 12 00:01
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msb_	cubexyz: Excellent!	Aug 12 00:05
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msb_	RT just broadcast a superb episode of the Keiser Report, with an analyst who says the US and EU economies are a huge Ponzi scheme.	Aug 12 00:41
msb_	you can download it here: http://www.rt.com/shows/keiser-report/312157-episode-max-keiser-795/	Aug 12 00:42
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msb_	Use firefox and VideoDownloadHelper (the one with the rotating red-blu-yellow balls).	Aug 12 00:43
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msb_	MinceR: RT just did a story on the 15th anniversary of the sinking of the submarine Kursk, including how Putin (who had been in office for only a few months) was nearly kicked out because he didn't do anything at first.	Aug 12 01:14
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/631389131407495168	Aug 12 04:59
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Patent abusing company. Yes. Took me some time to think about it over breakfast.		Aug 12 04:59
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oiaohm	http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/oracle-security-chief-to-customers-stop-checking-our-code-for-vulnerabilities/ boy is that a fun read.	Aug 12 09:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mycroft Raspberry Pi Open Source Artificial	Aug 12 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	Intelligence System (video)	Aug 12 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/Z6ZrnLIuUd (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 12 12:28
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nf41a	Aug 12 12:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Motorola Moto G Review: Great, Bargain-Priced	Aug 12 12:39
TweetTuxMachines	Android Smartphone http://t.co/6a9zfqZBaK	Aug 12 12:39
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 12 12:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nf44g	Aug 12 12:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Announcing Docker 1.8: Content Trust, Toolbox,	Aug 12 12:39
TweetTuxMachines	and Updates to Registry and Orchestration	Aug 12 12:39
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/wZy0fl5Pmu (www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 12 12:39
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nf44h	Aug 12 12:39
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Mycroft Raspberry Pi Open Source Artificial	Aug 12 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	Intelligence System (video)	Aug 12 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TARpQtY6cZ (www.geeky-gadgets.com)	Aug 12 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nf44i	Aug 12 12:40
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Motorola Moto G Review: Great, Bargain-Priced	Aug 12 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	Android Smartphone http://t.co/e6fHDZebqq	Aug 12 12:40
TweetTuxMachines	(www.thestreet.com)	Aug 12 12:40
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TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nf44j	Aug 12 12:40
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/AJimenez1988/status/631512480347500544	Aug 12 13:09
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@AJimenez1988: @schestowitz Hard to convince a Russian or a Canadian that global warming is an enemy.		Aug 12 13:09
schestowitz	not even in summer?	Aug 12 13:09
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Solus Now Features Linux Kernel 4.1.5 and	Aug 12 13:16
TweetTuxMachines	LibreOffice 5.0 http://t.co/TjDlSCLc95	Aug 12 13:16
TweetTuxMachines	(news.softpedia.com)	Aug 12 13:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-news.softpedia.com \| Solus Now Features Linux Kernel 4.1.5 and LibreOffice 5.0 - Softpedia		Aug 12 13:16
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nf4g9	Aug 12 13:16
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Launches New Site To Showcase	Aug 12 13:17
TweetTuxMachines	Experimental Open Source Apps For Android And	Aug 12 13:17
TweetTuxMachines	Android Wear http://t.co/S2t5Q0vZms	Aug 12 13:17
TweetTuxMachines	(techcrunch.com)	Aug 12 13:17
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nf4ga	Aug 12 13:17
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/631518558145613825	Aug 12 13:36
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Never felt all that confident about SELinux. I suppose it's better than nothing....		Aug 12 13:36
schestowitz	I'm not sure anymore, left #techrights offline for 3 hours (I was asleep at the time) after routine upgrade and reboot	Aug 12 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines German Interior Ministry seeks open source	Aug 12 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	expertise https://t.co/lLK9kzs4qM	Aug 12 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	(joinup.ec.europa.eu)	Aug 12 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nf4m7	Aug 12 13:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Firefox 40 http://t.co/p0VdwR7NCS	Aug 12 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 12 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nf4m9	Aug 12 13:37
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines German Interior Ministry seeks open source	Aug 12 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	expertise http://t.co/oQPy2yf2eo	Aug 12 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 12 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nf4ma	Aug 12 13:37
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.tuxmachines.org \| German Interior Ministry seeks open source expertise \| Tux Machines		Aug 12 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Google Launches New Site To Showcase	Aug 12 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	Experimental Open Source Apps For Android And	Aug 12 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	Android Wear http://t.co/8DGmjI9rh5	Aug 12 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	(www.tuxmachines.org)	Aug 12 13:37
TweetTuxMachines	........................................ http://ur1.ca/nf4mb	Aug 12 13:37
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MinceR	http://www.wired.co.uk/news/archive/2015-08/11/windows-10-update-error	Aug 12 13:41
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/SleepyPenguin1/status/631520234483150848	Aug 12 13:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@SleepyPenguin1: @schestowitz Yes. The joys of system administration. When it's done properly. Not much sleep :(		Aug 12 13:50
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/631531514795327488	Aug 12 14:26
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @schestowitz @Bristolface @Morrisons They have been off for the last two years.		Aug 12 14:26
schestowitz	maybe replaced by self-checkout machines, just like till workers. #Morrisons #JobsDestroyers	Aug 12 14:27
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Oracle's Lunacy http://t.co/58LJxRUlGI	Aug 12 15:15
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Kali Linux 2.0 Is Here With A Redesigned	Aug 12 15:15
TweetTuxMachines	Interface, Easy Updates, And More	Aug 12 15:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/8aPDFILb3H (www.lifehacker.com.au)	Aug 12 15:15
TweetTuxMachines	http://t.co/TNwSxC6jdz" (news.softpedia.com)	Aug 12 15:15
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/631545345994940416	Aug 12 15:20
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @AnonyAngler @schestowitz @Morrisons Normally they are just rotten in fairness.		Aug 12 15:20
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cubexyz	not only do I not know what improvements Trinity has over KDE 3.5.10, I don't know what firefox 39 can do that firefox 16.02 can't	Aug 12 16:21
cubexyz	if someone asked me what 'modern' linux can do that quasijarus can't, that I can answer	Aug 12 16:22
XRevan86	cubexyz: Well, Firefox is constantly getting smoother	Aug 12 16:22
XRevan86	And HTML5 support gets better, of course.	Aug 12 16:23
cubexyz	ff is one of the primary reasons that upgrades are pretty much forced	Aug 12 16:25
cubexyz	same with konqueror	Aug 12 16:25
XRevan86	cubexyz: I'm not against "forced updates", I like choices being given by different software (forks) not versions.	Aug 12 16:26
cubexyz	there's no smooth transition	Aug 12 16:26
XRevan86	Though Firefox is so complex it's pretty hard to fork.	Aug 12 16:26
XRevan86	cubexyz: Old software is hard to use.	Aug 12 16:27
MinceR	the ui of firefox is constantly getting worse	Aug 12 16:27
cubexyz	it's format and start over, or... what I usually do is set up another machine	Aug 12 16:27
XRevan86	obsolete stuff grows	Aug 12 16:27
MinceR	they're throwing away useful options and adding bugs	Aug 12 16:27
MinceR	oh, and blobs too	Aug 12 16:27
XRevan86	MinceR: I didn't notice any interesting UI change after the Australis.	Aug 12 16:27
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cubexyz	XRevan86, there's a serious effort to port stuff to ancient Unix	Aug 12 16:27
MinceR	XRevan86: they removed the option to turn off javascript and specify what they're allowed to do to the windows	Aug 12 16:28
cubexyz	so obsolete is relative to the skills of the programmer	Aug 12 16:28
MinceR	also, favicons keep disappearing from some tabs	Aug 12 16:28
MinceR	and they added support for the cisco blob, web DRM and a pocket blob	Aug 12 16:28
cubexyz	I know some folks that add tcp/ip support to old operating systems	Aug 12 16:28
cubexyz	there's a few PDP-11 installations still	Aug 12 16:29
XRevan86	cubexyz: By obsolete stuff I meant outdated libraries and all that.	Aug 12 16:29
XRevan86	MinceR: Yeah, that sucks.	Aug 12 16:29
XRevan86	MinceR: Is Pocket a blob? I think it's closed only on server-side.	Aug 12 16:30
XRevan86	* "only" :)	Aug 12 16:30
cubexyz	I want access to every era of software, it's a very atypical stance I know	Aug 12 16:30
MinceR	there's a client-side blob too, afaik	Aug 12 16:30
XRevan86	s/blob/SaaS/	Aug 12 16:30
cubexyz	cisco blob?	Aug 12 16:31
XRevan86	cubexyz: It's not a blob in a traditional term	Aug 12 16:31
XRevan86	but close	Aug 12 16:31
MinceR	the one that does h.264	Aug 12 16:31
XRevan86	It's a FOSS library but precompiled.	Aug 12 16:31
cubexyz	oh well that's not too bad	Aug 12 16:31
MinceR	and if you modify and rebuild, you're not allowed to use it	Aug 12 16:31
MinceR	so it's nonfree	Aug 12 16:32
XRevan86	s/modify and//	Aug 12 16:32
XRevan86	MinceR: Well, you're allowed to use it but not in a way Mozilla does.	Aug 12 16:32
cubexyz	I'm trying to classify all the eras of the c language compiler	Aug 12 16:32
XRevan86	MinceR: A rebuilded OpenH264 won't free you from patent procecution of MPEG LA.	Aug 12 16:33
MinceR	mozilla sacrificed everything they stood for in the name of having people use their browsers	Aug 12 16:33
cubexyz	there's a certain subset of Unix v5 cc that will still compile on modern gcc	Aug 12 16:33
MinceR	they shouldn't have accommodated h.264	Aug 12 16:33
MinceR	it does not belong on the web	Aug 12 16:34
XRevan86	MinceR: These days Chromium sets standards.	Aug 12 16:34
cubexyz	what are the alternatives?	Aug 12 16:34
XRevan86	MinceR: Google Chrome shipped H.264 support and DRM long before Firefox did.	Aug 12 16:35
cubexyz	nothing seems as versatile as ff	Aug 12 16:35
MinceR	yeah, crashium/crashe is even worse	Aug 12 16:35
XRevan86	So I guess Firefox tries to save it from becoming Opera.	Aug 12 16:35
MinceR	the alternative would be forking the web	Aug 12 16:35
XRevan86	itself*	Aug 12 16:35
MinceR	the w3c has become corrupted	Aug 12 16:35
XRevan86	MinceR: ++	Aug 12 16:35
MinceR	it would be a nice opportunity to get rid of this horribly baroque set of "standards"	Aug 12 16:36
MinceR	and replace it with a simple remote gui system and a simple hypertext system (somewhere between html4 and gopher)	Aug 12 16:36
XRevan86	and see it becoming what we have now	Aug 12 16:37
XRevan86	the alternative would be forking capitalism	Aug 12 16:37
MinceR	there's no "capitalism", only in marx's fever dreams	Aug 12 16:37
cubexyz	there's still a few gopher sites	Aug 12 16:37
XRevan86	MinceR: ooookay	Aug 12 16:38
XRevan86	MinceR: moneyism then	Aug 12 16:38
cubexyz	OverbiteFF plugin	Aug 12 16:38
MinceR	XRevan86: market economy	Aug 12 16:39
cubexyz	barter system, will code for food :)	Aug 12 16:39
XRevan86	the alternative would be forking market economy	Aug 12 16:41
XRevan86	MinceR: Ne problemo.	Aug 12 16:41
MinceR	i think that would be enforcing the free market	Aug 12 16:41
MinceR	which is long overdue	Aug 12 16:41
cubexyz	MinceR, what can gopher do that http can't do?	Aug 12 16:42
MinceR	it doesn't overcomplicate the markup language like html does	Aug 12 16:43
msb__	Firefox is currently much more stable for me than it used to be. It used to use up some resource in X and crash it, killing my session. Now it doesn't, although it may crash itself (and totally recover its state when restarted).	Aug 12 16:46
XRevan86	I wonder why it doesn't and didn't do all that for me :)	Aug 12 16:47
msb__	Between youtube-dl and VideoDownloadHelper I can now download any youtube video, with its subtitles, no matter how DRM'ed, and also videos from vimeo and RT.	Aug 12 16:48
msb__	XRevan86: I think because I have hundreds of tabs open.	Aug 12 16:49
cubexyz	I thought it was a mistake to add video playback to the web browser	Aug 12 16:49
XRevan86	msb__: Do you use a static version of a website?	Aug 12 16:49
msb__	XRevan86: I don't understand.	Aug 12 16:49
XRevan86	msb__: Where do you get Firefox?	Aug 12 16:49
cubexyz	of course, there's dillo, and text based browsers if I really want to avoid the bloat	Aug 12 16:50
XRevan86	msb__: Do you use a statically compiled version from the official Mozilla website?	Aug 12 16:50
DaemonFC	http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/lenovo-used-windows-anti-theft-feature-to-install-persistent-crapware/	Aug 12 16:50
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Lenovo used Windows anti-theft feature to install persistent crapware \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nf67r ]		Aug 12 16:50
msb__	From mozilla.com, I guess. It's been updating itself for years. It lives in my account. I don't get it from a repo.	Aug 12 16:50
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MinceR	224909 < cubexyz> I thought it was a mistake to add video playback to the web browser	Aug 12 16:50
MinceR	agreed	Aug 12 16:51
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msb__	When I restart firefox every 3 days or so (because it's using too much cpu), I save the places.* and sessionstore.js files in case it loses its state, since they contain so much important info for me. But it never does.	Aug 12 16:54
cubexyz	the web has one very big flaw: link rot	Aug 12 16:55
cubexyz	there's no good mechanism to deal with it	Aug 12 16:56
MinceR	local archive is the mechanism :>	Aug 12 16:56
MinceR	i save everything i intend to use as evidence into mht or equivalent	Aug 12 16:56
msb__	That's a human failing. If you want to make sure something important doesn't disappear, you have to save it on your own machine.	Aug 12 16:57
msb__	MinceR: mht?	Aug 12 16:57
MinceR	some MIME/HTML thing	Aug 12 16:57
MinceR	looks like an email with attachments	Aug 12 16:57
MinceR	the point is, it saves the page and its dependents along with original URL and maybe timestamp	Aug 12 16:58
XRevan86	msb__: HTML + container with stuff	Aug 12 16:58
cubexyz	you can archive the html but what about drupal sites, wordpress sites etc?	Aug 12 16:58
msb__	That's what I get with ctrl-S on firefox, except it doesn't save the url, so I do that manually.	Aug 12 16:58
cubexyz	you would have to archive the databases as well	Aug 12 16:58
cubexyz	it's a lousy archive scheme	Aug 12 16:59
msb__	I don't want the whole site, just one particular article. Otherwise I'd be archiving the entire Web!	Aug 12 16:59
cubexyz	well I was thinking of forums	Aug 12 17:00
XRevan86	msb__: What about pictures?	Aug 12 17:00
cubexyz	you might want to archive some of those	Aug 12 17:00
msb__	Pictures on a page get archived by ctrl-S.	Aug 12 17:00
XRevan86	msb__: In a separate directory, right.	Aug 12 17:01
msb__	Pictures by themselves I just wget.	Aug 12 17:01
XRevan86	msb__: Well, .mht gets it all in one file :).	Aug 12 17:01
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MinceR	i used to use MAFF, but the MAFF extension started breaking in the save dialogs in firefox	Aug 12 17:02
cubexyz	what about naplps and VRML?	Aug 12 17:02
MinceR	s/ in / /	Aug 12 17:02
cubexyz	no one bothered to archive those sites	Aug 12 17:03
MinceR	DocFetcher can index both, of course :)	Aug 12 17:03
MinceR	225951 < msb__> I don't want the whole site, just one particular article. Otherwise I'd be archiving the entire Web!	Aug 12 17:03
MinceR	this.	Aug 12 17:03
msb__	Huh?	Aug 12 17:04
MinceR	i agreed with you	Aug 12 17:04
cubexyz	I have a archive of tarballs	Aug 12 17:04
msb__	Of course there's always archive.org, unless the site prevents it.	Aug 12 17:04
MinceR	the site can even do so retroactively	Aug 12 17:05
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msb__	Such sites may not be worthwhile looking at.	Aug 12 17:11
MinceR	they may have the exact information you're looking for, remembering having read it there	Aug 12 17:12
msb__	OK, I just saved an MHTML of my homepage, and I can view it in FF, and the links work.	Aug 12 17:12
MinceR	:)	Aug 12 17:12
msb__	Nice! Thanks!	Aug 12 17:13
MinceR	np	Aug 12 17:13
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msb__	I also save all my emails (despammed) and can search for previous info. I'm on a lot of alternative news and medicine lists.	Aug 12 17:19
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msb__	It's haphazard, but between saved youtube videos (with the 11-char key in the filename), archive.org, saved emails, and saved pages, with informative filenames on everything so I can find them with locgrep, I almost never lose anything.	Aug 12 17:22
msb__	Now with MHTML I can change the filename freely without disconnecting it from its subsidiary files.	Aug 12 17:24
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msb__	Informative filenames are very important. In effect it uses the whole filesystem as a database, with locate/locgrep as the DBMS.	Aug 12 17:25
MinceR	for me, DocFetcher does the indexing :>	Aug 12 17:26
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msb__	MinceR: It looks inside of files?	Aug 12 17:28
MinceR	indeed	Aug 12 17:28
msb__	Yikes!	Aug 12 17:28
msb__	I'll bet 8TB of files would overwhelm it.	Aug 12 17:30
MinceR	it would probably take a while to index	Aug 12 17:31
msb__	My filesystem is also hierarchical-by-subject, so I know approximately where to find stuff.	Aug 12 17:33
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msb__	Here is locgrep for anyone who doesn't have it already. It is incredibly useful. http://cosmicpenguin.com/linux/locgrep	Aug 12 17:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Missing content type. Ignoring.		Aug 12 17:45
msb__	Programs; programs that write programs; are the luckiest programs in the world!	Aug 12 17:46
msb__	Here's fns, which does the same thing using "find" in realtime: http://cosmicpenguin.com/linux/fns	Aug 12 17:49
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Missing content type. Ignoring.		Aug 12 17:49
msb__	If you know which subtree the file is in, but locate hasn't indexed it yet.	Aug 12 17:50
msb__	You might get hundreds, or even thousands of filenames on the first try, but it's easy to flip through them and see which strings to put after -v to eliminate the noise. 3 or 4 calls to locgrep usually suffice even for the worst cases.	Aug 12 17:54
msb__	At least with good filenames, and since I haven't gone senile yet.	Aug 12 17:55
cubexyz	use the hierarchial file system	Aug 12 17:55
cubexyz	I use /mnt/e/video /mnt/f/manuals/unix etc	Aug 12 17:55
cubexyz	easy to remember filenames	Aug 12 17:55
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cubexyz	hierarchical	Aug 12 17:56
msb__	Sure, I do that too, but sometimes there aren't well-defined places to put things.	Aug 12 17:56
cubexyz	hierarchial wait, maybe both spellings are acceptable	Aug 12 17:56
cubexyz	yes	Aug 12 17:57
msb__	not according to /usr/dict/words or onelook.com	Aug 12 17:57
cubexyz	you just have to discipline yourself to a well defined archival naming system	Aug 12 17:58
cubexyz	check dictionary.com	Aug 12 17:59
msb__	Too much bondage! Not enough discipline!	Aug 12 17:59
cubexyz	or a real dictionary :)	Aug 12 17:59
cubexyz	the dead tree kind	Aug 12 17:59
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cubexyz	maybe someone will write an AI to organize files	Aug 12 18:00
cubexyz	that's probably within the realm of possibility	Aug 12 18:00
msb__	ok, onelook does find hierarchial in Wordnik, but that's all.	Aug 12 18:00
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cubexyz	I wrote big-pigs.sh to find large files	Aug 12 18:02
msb__	cubexyz: BTW, you said there was no such thing as real AI, but even Raspberry Pi has it: http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/category/pc-hardware/	Aug 12 18:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.geeky-gadgets.com \| Hardware Archives - Geeky Gadgets [ http://ur1.ca/nf6ss ]		Aug 12 18:03
cubexyz	there's very limited AI	Aug 12 18:05
cubexyz	there's text processors... very limited in what they can do	Aug 12 18:06
msb__	I was kidding. That thing is very simple.	Aug 12 18:06
msb__	Anyhow, by using hierarchy, and informative filenames, and locgrep, I can always find stuff even though I'm not perfectly disciplined.	Aug 12 18:07
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Messgorough/status/631545345994940416	Aug 12 18:07
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Messgorough: @AnonyAngler @schestowitz @Morrisons Normally they are just rotten in fairness.		Aug 12 18:07
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/FrancisJeffrey7/status/631587313634545664	Aug 12 18:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@FrancisJeffrey7: My summation on that https://t.co/AsJmXpJzoe has accumulating support in factual data, incl.- http://t.co/MhEPUUsbGz https://t.co/tMwIAhDXDV		Aug 12 18:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@cryptostorm_is: This is the single the best summation of 20 years of internet privacy & security progress we've read in... forever: https://t.co/65NfYSCaL6		Aug 12 18:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> techrights.org \| Microsoft and the NSA - Techrights		Aug 12 18:08
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: The Huge Cost of #Microsoft 's Collusion With Five Eyes #Espionage Agencies http://t.co/SjPCryRmoQ http://t.co/fug0FsaCh0		Aug 12 18:08
cubexyz	I don't really have a great organization system	Aug 12 18:12
MinceR	you can't grep a dead tree	Aug 12 18:12
cubexyz	I've started to archive tarballs	Aug 12 18:12
cubexyz	human knowledge doesn't always fall into neat categories	Aug 12 18:13
cubexyz	ask any librarian	Aug 12 18:13
MinceR	or ask me :>	Aug 12 18:14
msb__	MinceR: You can if it's a pdf!	Aug 12 18:14
MinceR	then it's not a dead tree	Aug 12 18:14
cubexyz	some pdf's are rasterized	Aug 12 18:14
cubexyz	you can't search those	Aug 12 18:15
cubexyz	or any scans of hand written material	Aug 12 18:15
msb__	But at least you can find them, if the author and title is in the filename.	Aug 12 18:15
cubexyz	I can think of many exceptions	Aug 12 18:15
cubexyz	badly preserved microfilm	Aug 12 18:16
cubexyz	you could transcribe them though	Aug 12 18:16
cubexyz	most archived magazine scans are rasterized, at least most of mine are	Aug 12 18:19
msb__	There is far too much human knowledge and information for your computer or your mind to hold more than a tiny fraction of it.	Aug 12 18:19
msb__	I had piles and piles of magazines. Had to throw most of them away.	Aug 12 18:21
msb__	same with many big boxes of VHS tapes.	Aug 12 18:22
msb__	I have about 10 big boxes of DVDs, but it takes too long to find any particular one, except for the scifi and anime' series I have on bookshelves.	Aug 12 18:23
cubexyz	I figured you had one of those terabyte hard drives	Aug 12 18:23
msb__	Big hard drives are the only way to go, currently.	Aug 12 18:23
msb__	I have 4 of them.	Aug 12 18:24
cubexyz	M-disc is supposed to last a long time	Aug 12 18:27
cubexyz	I don't really trust hard drives in the long term	Aug 12 18:27
msb__	They're cheap now, only about $160 for 3TB WD Black.	Aug 12 18:27
msb__	Keep making backups. They'll probably last as long as you will.	Aug 12 18:28
cubexyz	I do that... I use the reed-solomon matrix for extra redunancy	Aug 12 18:29
cubexyz	mostly to optical disc	Aug 12 18:29
msb__	How do you do that?	Aug 12 18:30
cubexyz	par2	Aug 12 18:30
cubexyz	e.g. par2 c -r10 directory-name *	Aug 12 18:30
cubexyz	probably old now	Aug 12 18:31
cubexyz	they might have forked the project years ago	Aug 12 18:31
msb__	Does that make a copy in clear plus encoded parity files, or are all the files encoded?	Aug 12 18:32
cubexyz	it was 0.4 back in 2004 so I assume someone made a newer version somewhere	Aug 12 18:32
cubexyz	-r is the level of redunancy as a percentage	Aug 12 18:33
msb__	I remember it from Usenet.	Aug 12 18:33
msb__	But if you didn't have enough files, you'd get nothing.	Aug 12 18:34
msb__	Rather than a partial result.	Aug 12 18:34
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/par2cmdline-0.4.tar.gz	Aug 12 18:35
cubexyz	holy, /mnt/g is completely full	Aug 12 18:36
msb__	dff is handy for checking disk usage: http://cosmicpenguin.com/linux/dff	Aug 12 18:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-Missing content type. Ignoring.		Aug 12 18:44
cubexyz	ok, 1.2 gigs freed up	Aug 12 18:44
cubexyz	can't believe I let that happen	Aug 12 18:44
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MrBinaryAff/status/631597181955383296	Aug 12 18:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MrBinaryAff: @schestowitz much norther people can see loads		Aug 12 18:55
schestowitz	how far north?	Aug 12 18:55
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MrBinaryAff/status/631599987877654528	Aug 12 18:57
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MrBinaryAff: @schestowitz check out Twitter feed. Yorkshire dales and up...		Aug 12 18:57
schestowitz	I'm not far, manchester	Aug 12 18:57
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/MrBinaryAff/status/631600858443173888	Aug 12 19:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@MrBinaryAff: @schestowitz strange :( Wish you luck to see some, there are big ones out there as well		Aug 12 19:01
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DaemonFC	http://arstechnica.com/information-technology/2015/08/lenovo-used-windows-anti-theft-feature-to-install-persistent-crapware/	Aug 12 19:14
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-arstechnica.com \| Lenovo used Windows anti-theft feature to install persistent crapware \| Ars Technica [ http://ur1.ca/nf67r ]		Aug 12 19:14
DaemonFC	Making this rather worse is that LSE and/or OKO appear to be insecure. Security issues, including buffer overflows and insecure network connections, were reported to Lenovo and Microsoft by researcher Roel Schouwenberg in April. In response, Lenovo has stopped including LSE on new systems (the company says that systems built since June should be clean). It has provided firmware updates for affected laptops and issued instructions on how to	Aug 12 19:14
DaemonFC	disable the option on desktops and clean up the LSE files.	Aug 12 19:14
DaemonFC	The issue was spotted by a poster on our own forums. That poster described some even more undesirable behavior on Windows 7 systems. On those machines, it appears that LSE replaces a Windows system file, autochk.exe (which is used for the boot-time chkdsk filesystem verification and repair process). The bogus autochk.exe then creates system services that fetch files over unencrypted HTTP.	Aug 12 19:14
DaemonFC	schestowitz, Turns out there's a Windows 8/10 "feature" that runs Windows programs that OEMs can put in the EFI firmware.	Aug 12 19:15
DaemonFC	But it works in Windows 7 as well because of a Microsoft extension to ACPI that lets the firmware pass Windows executables to Windows, which it executes even if they're not related to power management.	Aug 12 19:16
DaemonFC	Seems like the last version of Windows that wouldn't do this was maybe Vista.	Aug 12 19:16
DaemonFC	The criticism is going to Lenovo for using this when it should be going to Microsoft for even allowing it.	Aug 12 19:17
DaemonFC	In theory, it's there to make it impossible for laptop thieves to remove anti-theft software, but since there's no limitation on how it can be used...	Aug 12 19:18
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/profBury/status/631606634008215552	Aug 12 19:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@profBury: @schestowitz it was excellent in #ZolaPredosa		Aug 12 19:23
cubexyz	I need a cron job to remind me that a disk is getting full	Aug 12 19:29
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6459810	Aug 12 19:34
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: There is supposed to be a #meteorshower now, sky is clear, but I'm seeing nothing.		Aug 12 19:34
schestowitz	"me neither"	Aug 12 19:34
schestowitz	cubexyz: I need that to	Aug 12 19:34
schestowitz	too	Aug 12 19:34
schestowitz	but use something like nagios maybe	Aug 12 19:34
schestowitz	or search the web for some sendmail script or whatever	Aug 12 19:35
schestowitz	df running in cron, sending mail if condition met	Aug 12 19:35
cubexyz	pop a kialog or something too	Aug 12 19:35
cubexyz	kdialog --msgbox "`df -h`"	Aug 12 19:36
schestowitz	DaemonFC: thanks for the headsup	Aug 12 19:37
schestowitz	article to come...	Aug 12 19:38
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6459810	Aug 12 19:38
cubexyz	if you have zenity you could try this:	Aug 12 19:39
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/df-check.sh.txt	Aug 12 19:39
schestowitz	"Microsoft Peter Writes About Malicious Microsoft Antifeatures, Tries to Blame Lenovo"	Aug 12 19:39
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/df-check-kdialog.sh.txt	Aug 12 19:42
cubexyz	kdialog version for KDE peeps	Aug 12 19:42
cubexyz	run the cron job once a day or so	Aug 12 19:44
DaemonFC	J. R. Bob Dobbs (formerly ZOMG Pink Ponies) says:	Aug 12 19:49
DaemonFC	They're all cut from the same cloth. The 1% would be happy with any of the Official Republicans, or Hillary Clinton.	Aug 12 19:49
DaemonFC	More than one person has suggested to me that if Bernie looks like he's going to win the primary, the 1% will arrange for him to slip in the shower or fall down the stairs. Our system is to the point where that's sadly plausible.	Aug 12 19:49
cubexyz	M5 tie-in: warning /mnt/g is full	Aug 12 19:51
cubexyz	make the voice sound like James Doohan	Aug 12 19:52
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cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/disk-usage-monitor-2015.png	Aug 12 19:56
cubexyz	diskbot might have to warn me in IRC if I get too engrossed :)	Aug 12 19:59
cubexyz	schestowitz, did you see this one:	Aug 12 20:00
cubexyz	http://www.maxhost.org/other/shouldnt-have-used-windows-10.jpg	Aug 12 20:00
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msb__	Regarding the possibility of Sanders getting murdered, there's a new remedy for cancer, very safe, cheap, and effective, that the FDA has banned. And some doctors using it have been murdered.	Aug 12 20:39
msb__	https://web.archive.org/web/20140911015616/http://www.petgcmaf.com/list-of-gcmaf-research-papers/	Aug 12 20:40
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-web.archive.org \| List of GcMAF Research Papers [ http://ur1.ca/nf812 ]		Aug 12 20:40
msb__	http://www.naturalnews.com/050582_nagalase_GcMAF_cancer_industry_profits.html	Aug 12 20:42
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.naturalnews.com \| REVEALED: Cancer industry profits 'locked in' by nagalase molecule injected into humans via vaccines... spurs tumor growth... explains aggressive vaccine push - NaturalNews.com		Aug 12 20:42
msb__	http://tatoott1009.com/2015/07/23/explosive-the-real-reason-holistic-doctors-are-being-killed-and-vanishing/	Aug 12 20:43
msb__	There are plenty more. Very simply GcMAF activates macrophages to eat cancer cells. The nagalase enzyme prevents GcMAF from being produced.	Aug 12 20:46
msb__	Autistic children have high levels of nagalase, By giving them GcMAF to compensate, 85% are improved, and 15% cured. Whether they are getting nagalase from the huge numbers of vaccines they're now given is speculative.	Aug 12 20:48
msb__	GcM	Aug 12 20:48
msb__	GcMAF cures all cancers unless the person is in stage 4 and has been chemo'ed nearly to death. It only costs $100 - 200/week. Chemo costs much more.	Aug 12 20:49
msb__	Dr Jeff Bradstreet, who was using GcMAF for autism, was shot in the chest and thrown in a river.	Aug 12 20:50
msb__	Note the list of research papers that I gave first. This is real!	Aug 12 20:51
tessier	WTF?	Aug 12 20:58
tessier	GcMAF cures all cancers and treats autism?	Aug 12 20:58
MinceR	it cures everything!	Aug 12 21:02
MinceR	it also brings the dead back to life	Aug 12 21:03
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A_M	"Doctor" Roy Schestowitz, you are a shameless liar and you disgust me.	Aug 12 21:07
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MinceR	looks like some jimmies were rustled	Aug 12 21:09
tessier	What now?	Aug 12 21:09
tessier	Must be a Microsoft employee.	Aug 12 21:10
tessier	Back in the day people used to have to IRC from actual UNIX accounts and they would have their real name as their username or IRCNAME etc.	Aug 12 21:10
tessier	finger worked	Aug 12 21:10
tessier	Often, when people would do a drive by like that or otherwise misbehave, I would call them on the phone.	Aug 12 21:11
tessier	They were always shocked.	Aug 12 21:11
MinceR	:)	Aug 12 21:11
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cubexyz	dsl.bell.ca	Aug 12 21:51
cubexyz	I'm none the wiser	Aug 12 21:52
cubexyz	ok, got my first trinity distro up and it looks good so far	Aug 12 21:52
cubexyz	trinity 3.5.13.2	Aug 12 21:53
cubexyz	I wasn't sure what to expect with q4os but I figured may as well give it a go	Aug 12 21:56
msb__	MinceR: GcMAF does not cure everything. It activates macrophages, which kill cancer cells. For some reason it also helps some cases of autism. Maybe those cases of autism are caused by a pathogen.	Aug 12 21:58
msb__	It doesn't bring back the dead.	Aug 12 21:58
msb__	Read the research papers.	Aug 12 21:59
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oiaohm	http://www.osnews.com/comments/28774	Aug 12 22:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.osnews.com \| Lenovo used firmware to install persistent crapware > Comments		Aug 12 22:44
oiaohm	Opps.	Aug 12 22:44
oiaohm	Ok that link worked	Aug 12 22:44
oiaohm	Making a windows computer clean is getting harder.	Aug 12 22:44
oiaohm	Yes the start of firmware level root kits out box.	Aug 12 22:44
cubexyz	oiaohm, basically impossible	Aug 12 22:51
oiaohm	Not exactly possible cubexyz	Aug 12 22:53
oiaohm	Massively harder to have to flush the firmware and the OS.	Aug 12 22:53
cubexyz	no source for bios or operating system...	Aug 12 22:53
oiaohm	There are cases where coreboot is usable.	Aug 12 22:53
oiaohm	Due to the hardware being reference intel/amd	Aug 12 22:54
oiaohm	Please note getting clean I class as getting rid of windows.	Aug 12 22:54
oiaohm	I also like the recent windows 10 bug killing booting.	Aug 12 22:55
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cubexyz	I'm seeing a number of debian wheezy derivatives	Aug 12 22:57
cubexyz	first AntiX, now q4os	Aug 12 22:58
oiaohm	There always have been.	Aug 12 22:58
oiaohm	Debian has a massive number of branches.	Aug 12 22:59
oiaohm	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Linux_Distribution_Timeline_with_Android.svg I like this updated version	Aug 12 23:00
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oiaohm	Really the Linux world could loss 50 percent of the branches off distrobutions without causing any major distruption.	Aug 12 23:18
oiaohm	From a security/developer logistic point of view if 50 percent of Linux distrobutions disappeared and those displaced developers focused in the remaining it would be good.	Aug 12 23:20
oiaohm	But I don't see that happening any time soon.	Aug 12 23:20
DaemonFC	Uggh, Hulu Plus is such crap.	Aug 12 23:21
DaemonFC	Not an alternative to anything. $10 a month, it has commercials anyway, and they're almost two full seasons behind on anything worth watching.	Aug 12 23:22
DaemonFC	I have a feeling it's just designed to be crap by the networks so they can keep selling their cable TV packages.	Aug 12 23:23
oiaohm	You have to remember who owns cable networks.	Aug 12 23:27
cubexyz	ok... the r30 was acting up on me	Aug 12 23:51
cubexyz	finally got it working	Aug 12 23:51
cubexyz	I have no clue how to set the timezone on q4os	Aug 12 23:54
cubexyz	ok... linked /usr/share/zoneinfo/America/Toronto to /etc/localtime and I'm set	Aug 12 23:56
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cubexyz	this is new to me... trinity 3.5.13.2 has some minimal install	Aug 13 00:03
cubexyz	there's no kpackage or ksysv	Aug 13 00:06
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cubexyz	oiaohm, how do you list the available packages in debian?	Aug 13 00:11
cubexyz	in slackware we have slapt-get --list	Aug 13 00:11
cubexyz	dpkg-query -l	Aug 13 00:12
cubexyz	naturally everybody has to be different	Aug 13 00:13
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cubexyz	msb__, what's the channel for trinity?	Aug 13 00:29
oiaohm	aptitude gui normally.	Aug 13 00:32
cubexyz	all the trinity binaries seem to be in /opt/trinity/bin	Aug 13 00:39
oiaohm	That is the correct place for non mainline packages.	Aug 13 00:41
cubexyz	ok, I think I'm starting to grok it now	Aug 13 00:43
oiaohm	cubexyz: https://debian-handbook.info/browse/stable/sect.apt-get.html	Aug 13 00:44
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cubexyz	trinity seems more like a hybrid of the old KDE 3.5 stuff and KDE 4 stuff	Aug 13 00:44
oiaohm	Part of the problem with debian is the double level of stuff cubexyz	Aug 13 00:44
oiaohm	dpkg list of avial package may be out of date compared to apt-get tools that include aptitude.	Aug 13 00:45
oiaohm	Yes debian has the insanity that you can disconnect the package download solution from the local installed package manager.	Aug 13 00:45
oiaohm	trinity changing stuff in the KDE 4 direction is kinda required. Because the old QT library had critical defects.	Aug 13 00:46
cubexyz	pretty much impossible shoehorning into older distros though	Aug 13 00:53
cubexyz	I started to make the attempt and it was a disaster	Aug 13 00:53
cubexyz	so I went to q4os	Aug 13 00:53
oiaohm	Did you think to use the opt directory or did you foolishly attempt to go over the core packages.	Aug 13 00:55
oiaohm	cubexyz: I have put trinty on stock debian before.	Aug 13 00:55
cubexyz	no I was compiling from tarballs	Aug 13 00:55
cubexyz	so I didn't even get far enough to break anything :)	Aug 13 00:55
oiaohm	You don't have a build cluster	Aug 13 00:56
cubexyz	libtool was too old... and something else too	Aug 13 00:56
oiaohm	From tar ball single computer nuke a week	Aug 13 00:56
oiaohm	And that is if your computer is decent performance.	Aug 13 00:56
oiaohm	Building KDE is kinda huge.	Aug 13 00:57
cubexyz	autoconf was too old as well	Aug 13 00:57
cubexyz	yeah I know, I've build the whole thing once	Aug 13 00:57
cubexyz	so I got a bunch of macro errors and I couldn't even compile kdelibs-trinity	Aug 13 00:58
cubexyz	I think it took over 24 hours on a P3 :)	Aug 13 00:58
cubexyz	what's a build cluster?	Aug 13 00:59
oiaohm	I have access to a cluster with https://github.com/icecc/icecream on it.	Aug 13 01:00
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cubexyz	I hate it when the web pages say "upgrade to latest firefox" when I know perfectly well the older firefox will work fine	Aug 13 01:01
oiaohm	cubexyz: basically cluster of computers with compliers that share the building process.	Aug 13 01:01
cubexyz	and I can't upgrade to latest firefox on most of the computers anyways	Aug 13 01:02
oiaohm	???	Aug 13 01:02
oiaohm	firefox portable and tar.gz comes to mind.	Aug 13 01:02
cubexyz	"please note the github no longer supports old versions of firefox"	Aug 13 01:03
cubexyz	oiaohm, hardly	Aug 13 01:03
oiaohm	That is a security issue.	Aug 13 01:03
cubexyz	the entire toolchain is too old	Aug 13 01:03
cubexyz	may as well nuke the whole thing and start over	Aug 13 01:03
oiaohm	mozilla provides tar.gz binary versions of firefox	Aug 13 01:03
cubexyz	that doesn't help	Aug 13 01:03
oiaohm	For Linux that you extract into your home directory.	Aug 13 01:04
oiaohm	or usb key.	Aug 13 01:04
oiaohm	or anywhere else.	Aug 13 01:04
cubexyz	gtk libraries are too old	Aug 13 01:04
oiaohm	what are you running.	Aug 13 01:04
cubexyz	vector linux has gtk+ 2.12.9	Aug 13 01:04
oiaohm	That is also sounding like chroot job required.	Aug 13 01:05
oiaohm	My god.	Aug 13 01:05
cubexyz	that's nothing... the fc1 box has gtk+ 1.2.10 :)	Aug 13 01:05
oiaohm	I guess 0install does not work on those beasts either.	Aug 13 01:06
cubexyz	the endless upgrading is getting tedious	Aug 13 01:07
cubexyz	and there's no mechanism for a smooth transition	Aug 13 01:07
oiaohm	You know what I mean by 0install?	Aug 13 01:07
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://0install.net/	Aug 13 01:08
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oiaohm	Its my unverival way to jack hammer modern on prehistoric.	Aug 13 01:08
oiaohm	It works shockingly well.	Aug 13 01:08
oiaohm	pkg2zero part of it is the most useful. Rip something out of SID debian and package it up for stable/testing without ruining my day.	Aug 13 01:10
cubexyz	well it's an interesting idea	Aug 13 01:10
oiaohm	Particularly when you dog derminated to keep on running these old distrobutions.	Aug 13 01:11
oiaohm	You need a percentage of modern applications due to security reasons.	Aug 13 01:11
oiaohm	git hub does not want people attempting logins with broken encryption.	Aug 13 01:12
cubexyz	the encryption works well enough	Aug 13 01:12
cubexyz	people are just getting overly paranoid	Aug 13 01:12
oiaohm	No	Aug 13 01:13
oiaohm	The some of the issues with the old encryption was the old firefox can be memory mined.	Aug 13 01:13
oiaohm	Due to the defects.	Aug 13 01:13
oiaohm	So its broken past repair.	Aug 13 01:13
cubexyz	how old?	Aug 13 01:13
oiaohm	Anything older than 8 months.	Aug 13 01:14
oiaohm	That is when the encryption engine defect was found.	Aug 13 01:14
oiaohm	And fixed.	Aug 13 01:14
oiaohm	Basically anything older than 8 months is broken.	Aug 13 01:14
oiaohm	Yes people get upset when websites start locking old browsers out but some cases like forbiding old versions of firefox is for their own good.	Aug 13 01:15
oiaohm	There was a proxy project as well	Aug 13 01:16
cubexyz	yes but my internet banking site isn't going to memory mine my browser	Aug 13 01:16
oiaohm	http://virtuallyfun.superglobalmegacorp.com/2014/03/11/web-rendering-proxy-update/	Aug 13 01:17
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oiaohm	This is another fix to using out of date browsers.	Aug 13 01:17
oiaohm	Yep proxy in the middle does the rendering.	Aug 13 01:18
oiaohm	With existing of rendering proxies using newer engine having and old insecure browser directly on the web is more than question mark.	Aug 13 01:19
cubexyz	zeroinstall needs a bunch of python stuff	Aug 13 01:19
cubexyz	so probably my python is too old or missing something	Aug 13 01:20
cubexyz	but thanks for the advice, I appreciate it	Aug 13 01:21
cubexyz	all this shows the limitations of what passes for programming these days	Aug 13 01:22
cubexyz	except it's not really programming... it's weaving	Aug 13 01:22
oiaohm	As I said I suspected it would not work.	Aug 13 01:23
oiaohm	Due to the massively old stuff you like cubexyz	Aug 13 01:23
cubexyz	I spent years configuring everything exactly the way I wanted, I don't want to just format it	Aug 13 01:24
oiaohm	The oldest software I handle is 10 years old.	Aug 13 01:24
cubexyz	so I set up another computer... it's not that bad	Aug 13 01:24
oiaohm	But even so how zeroinstall does it could be useful to you cubexyz	Aug 13 01:24
cubexyz	yes, it's worth considering	Aug 13 01:24
oiaohm	Also note the web rendering proxies.	Aug 13 01:25
oiaohm	Yes render website to a image than forwards seams stupid.	Aug 13 01:25
oiaohm	But it can be the simplest way to solve some of the problems.	Aug 13 01:25
cubexyz	oiaohm, you must think Sokolov is crazy with his quasijarus project	Aug 13 01:26
cubexyz	but I'm not the only person who likes to work on old software	Aug 13 01:26
cubexyz	there's retrobsd	Aug 13 01:26
cubexyz	my amiga is from 1987, I still hack around on it sometimes	Aug 13 01:27
oiaohm	Like I have no problems with people wanting to run the old stuff.	Aug 13 01:27
cubexyz	the LGP games needed gcc 2.95	Aug 13 01:28
oiaohm	As long as they understand the security risks and are willing to do the steps to be secure.	Aug 13 01:28
oiaohm	If we like it or not old web browsers are too security screwed to be on the internet any more.	Aug 13 01:28
oiaohm	Behind a proxy or to internal demo pages perfectly fine.	Aug 13 01:29
oiaohm	Correction behind a rendering proxy or to internal demo pages perfectly fine.	Aug 13 01:29
oiaohm	Same can be done with old irc clients and many other things.	Aug 13 01:29
oiaohm	So place something modern with modern secuirty so old is not a walking hacker mess.	Aug 13 01:30
cubexyz	it's overblown though	Aug 13 01:32
oiaohm	Not really.	Aug 13 01:32
cubexyz	I'm sure text based browsers don't have all those problems	Aug 13 01:32
oiaohm	text browsers old use broken ssl libraries.	Aug 13 01:32
oiaohm	and are hackable.	Aug 13 01:32
cubexyz	links 2.10 came out July 3, 2015	Aug 13 01:33
oiaohm	Unmaintained is Unmaintained. Encryption and Security of applications is a timelimited thing.	Aug 13 01:33
cubexyz	it is maintained	Aug 13 01:33
cubexyz	http://links.twibright.com	Aug 13 01:33
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oiaohm	That was the key thing about the word old.	Aug 13 01:34
oiaohm	links with updated ssl libraries is perfectly fine.	Aug 13 01:34
oiaohm	Since that is modern and maintained.	Aug 13 01:34
oiaohm	If you were using a links release from 2012 that would be a problem.	Aug 13 01:34
cubexyz	I'm sure my internet banking site wouldn't work with it anyways	Aug 13 01:35
oiaohm	You will be supprised how many internet backing sites work with links.	Aug 13 01:35
oiaohm	Because links is one of the most dominately used browsers by the blind.	Aug 13 01:35
cubexyz	ok, well that probably explains why it's been updated	Aug 13 01:36
cubexyz	I'll try it... with the newest version	Aug 13 01:36
cubexyz	might even be safer	Aug 13 01:36
oiaohm	The annoying price of having a internet connection.	Aug 13 01:38
oiaohm	is the fact old software is a problem.	Aug 13 01:38
cubexyz	I'm sure next year will present more problems with this year's software	Aug 13 01:38
oiaohm	That is exactly the fact.	Aug 13 01:39
oiaohm	security is a treadmill that does not stop.	Aug 13 01:39
cubexyz	couldn't firefox make a gtk1 version though?	Aug 13 01:40
oiaohm	The answer is no.	Aug 13 01:40
oiaohm	gtk1 in fact include a few flaws of it own that are bad like allowing copy paste out of password boxes.	Aug 13 01:40
oiaohm	This is the big ass problem. Software from a secuirty point of view has a expirely date.	Aug 13 01:41
oiaohm	Thats toolkits, kernels, libraries, applications.	Aug 13 01:42
oiaohm	The day we write perfect secure software the world will most likely end.	Aug 13 01:42
oiaohm	Yes you would think hello world program is secure. But then you forgot you have linked to a libc that in it self could be flawed.	Aug 13 01:43
cubexyz	there's no reason why you couldn't use the old software but just disconnect from ethernet	Aug 13 01:43
cubexyz	then serial link to a newer computer or something	Aug 13 01:44
oiaohm	Disconnecting the connection is in security call mitigation.	Aug 13 01:44
oiaohm	Security you can run old software but you have to do mitigation to remove the attack surface area.	Aug 13 01:44
oiaohm	The scary thing is I found a point of sale recently last 6 months running windows 3.11 and it was on the internet and infected.	Aug 13 01:45
cubexyz	well, that is a problem :)	Aug 13 01:45
oiaohm	Even if that was Linux or BSD and it that old it should not have a internet connection.	Aug 13 01:46
oiaohm	Should not have a direct internet connection.	Aug 13 01:46
cubexyz	quasijarus is running in simh	Aug 13 01:46
cubexyz	I doubt anyone could hack it	Aug 13 01:47
oiaohm	quasijarus I guess they will be updating keystuff.	Aug 13 01:47
oiaohm	Like make sure encryption is modern .	Aug 13 01:47
cubexyz	there's no SSL if that's what you mean	Aug 13 01:48
cubexyz	no ssh	Aug 13 01:48
cubexyz	no sshd	Aug 13 01:48
oiaohm	I hope no telnet.	Aug 13 01:48
oiaohm	telnetd	Aug 13 01:48
cubexyz	yes	Aug 13 01:49
cubexyz	it has telnet :)	Aug 13 01:49
oiaohm	telnetd the server is screwed from a security point of view.	Aug 13 01:49
cubexyz	just ssh into the host and then telnet into quasijarus	Aug 13 01:49
oiaohm	Should not be shipped disabled.	Aug 13 01:49
oiaohm	Opps	Aug 13 01:49
cubexyz	it's just hobby stuff	Aug 13 01:49
oiaohm	should be shipped disabled.	Aug 13 01:49
cubexyz	no one is shipping quasijarus	Aug 13 01:49
oiaohm	So its not in a web browser virtual machine yet.	Aug 13 01:50
cubexyz	just a hobby for some old microvax aficionados	Aug 13 01:51
cubexyz	there's IRCII	Aug 13 01:51
cubexyz	no web browser	Aug 13 01:52
oiaohm	cubexyz: http://www.pcjs.org/ I guess never seen these.	Aug 13 01:52
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cubexyz	haha, didn't realize you could run windows 1 on an XT	Aug 13 01:53
cubexyz	at least use a Unix	Aug 13 01:54
cubexyz	we have the source code for Unix v5	Aug 13 01:54
oiaohm	http://copy.sh/v86/	Aug 13 01:54
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oiaohm	Yes you can run Linux in a web browser wrapped in javascript	Aug 13 01:55
oiaohm	Basically there is no reason why you could not run quasijarus in a browser.	Aug 13 01:56
oiaohm	Of course it would have the totally wrong factor.	Aug 13 01:56
cubexyz	I don't understand this fascination with running everything in the browser	Aug 13 01:57
cubexyz	it's horribly inefficent	Aug 13 01:57
oiaohm	Its handy for class demostatrations.	Aug 13 01:58
oiaohm	Its also not as inefficent as it first seams in some cases.	Aug 13 01:59
oiaohm	Of course webassembley could be better than the current day javascript solutions.	Aug 13 02:01
cubexyz	firefox is already gummed up with tons of stuff	Aug 13 02:01
oiaohm	cubexyz: the problem is running in a virtual machine and running in a virtual machine in a webbrowser are come to the same level of horbile.	Aug 13 02:02
oiaohm	Firefox depends on javascript to perform for a lot of things already.	Aug 13 02:02
cubexyz	try running a video in mplayer, then try running the video inside firefox	Aug 13 02:03
cubexyz	on an older computer	Aug 13 02:03
cubexyz	ff will always be much slower	Aug 13 02:03
cubexyz	half the time I don't even know why ff is so slow	Aug 13 02:06
cubexyz	some server is running ads and it's unresponsive	Aug 13 02:06
cubexyz	there's some talk of an SSL-enabled telnetd	Aug 13 02:08
cubexyz	don't know if that will ever happen... really the old computers like microvax are too slow for it	Aug 13 02:08
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msb__	cubexyz: Sorry, missed your question: #trinity-desktop in irc.opensuse.org	Aug 13 02:31
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cubexyz	msb__, thanks	Aug 13 02:39
cubexyz	I actually have it working fairly well now	Aug 13 02:39
msb__	Great!	Aug 13 02:40
cubexyz	they fixed a lot of the old KDE bugs	Aug 13 02:41
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cubexyz	wow, one of the bash processes was using 100% cpu on the dual	Aug 13 07:58
cubexyz	no clue why	Aug 13 07:58
cubexyz	on q4os /opt/trinity/bin/kdm_greet is using 30% all	Aug 13 08:00
cubexyz	the time	Aug 13 08:00
cubexyz	meanwhile openbsd hovers at 2% cpu	Aug 13 08:04
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cubexyz	does vector do that i wonder	Aug 13 08:14
cubexyz	no it doesn't	Aug 13 08:14
cubexyz	kdm_greet should not use a lot of cpu	Aug 13 08:14
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__martin__	that fin-min who let IBM custom-tailor tax IS	Aug 13 12:16
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DaemonFC	http://arstechnica.co.uk/information-technology/2015/08/even-when-told-not-to-windows-10-just-cant-stop-talking-to-microsoft/	Aug 13 12:56
DaemonFC	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/07/31/windows_10_torrent_updates/	Aug 13 13:02
DaemonFC	http://www.theregister.co.uk/2015/08/13/student_loses_facebook_internship_messenger_privacy_fail/	Aug 13 13:10
__martin__	zuck off :_D	Aug 13 13:20
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__martin__	DaemonFC: reminds me of SCOracle this week.. "don't f**kin report us vulnerabilities"	Aug 13 13:22
__martin__	(own customers)	Aug 13 13:27
schestowitz	good luck...	Aug 13 13:30
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msb__	I just got a phone call from Dallas TX from a guy with a foreign accent. Since I've been a good American and paid my taxes on time, the govt is going to give me $9,200! What a country! Strangely, when I asked what company he was with, he hung up.	Aug 13 14:01
msb__	Maybe he was calling from another dimension, and the portal closed.	Aug 13 14:03
DaemonFC	msb__, It says Dallas.	Aug 13 14:04
DaemonFC	They spoof their caller ID.	Aug 13 14:04
DaemonFC	I had some scammers call me the other day. They spoofed their caller ID to make it look like they were a law firm in Chicago.	Aug 13 14:05
DaemonFC	They said they were going to sue me over a payday loan from 2011 (I've never had a payday loan.).	Aug 13 14:05
DaemonFC	So I said "This is a scam." and he said "We'll take you to court and have you arrested.".	Aug 13 14:05
DaemonFC	I told him to go fuck himself and hung up.	Aug 13 14:05
msb__	Unlikely that he had a big enough dick.	Aug 13 14:06
DaemonFC	I liked that Wishmaster movie where the guy wished his lawyer would go fuck himself, so the Wishmaster granted it.	Aug 13 14:07
DaemonFC	He's sitting there talking to his lawyer in jail and the lawyer 's body contorts to an impossible position and he starts actually doing that.	Aug 13 14:07
msb__	So many US political criminals come from Chicago (and its law firms), I'd think they'd choose a different city to inspire confidence.	Aug 13 14:08
DaemonFC	Why pick on Chicago?	Aug 13 14:08
msb__	But maybe they were just trying to inspire fear.	Aug 13 14:08
DaemonFC	Political criminals come from everywhere.	Aug 13 14:08
DaemonFC	There's a new scandal in southern Indiana. A mayor that was paying a male hooker with HIV to have sex with him.	Aug 13 14:09
msb__	Yes, but more from Chicago.	Aug 13 14:09
DaemonFC	The state's charging the hooker with criminal transmission of a communicable disease.	Aug 13 14:09
DaemonFC	I commented that they shouldn't because anyone who is dumb enough to have unprotected sex with strangers and prostitutes deserves whatever they get.	Aug 13 14:09
msb__	Obomber is a Chicago pol.	Aug 13 14:11
msb__	People with HIV should take precautions to avoid transmitting it.	Aug 13 14:12
msb__	Else bad publicity for gay men.	Aug 13 14:13
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines GNOME Announces Search for Executive Director	Aug 09 09:00
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Last Chance to Get Crawl on Steam for Linux	Aug 09 09:35
TweetTuxMachines	with 20% Discount http://t.co/0w4YzCRiNg	Aug 09 09:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Calibre 2.34 Brings Even More DOCX Improvements	Aug 09 09:35
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines New renders of Android flavored BlackBerry	Aug 09 09:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Back to school: Computer options that won’t	Aug 09 09:41
TweetTuxMachines	break the bank http://t.co/zu0X2AtnTG	Aug 09 09:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Plasma Mobile – A Mobile KDE Linux Project	Aug 09 09:41
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines KDE Applications 15.08 RC for openSUSE	Aug 09 09:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "UEFI horror stories as their developers begin	Aug 09 09:49
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines "I've released man-pages-4.02. The release	Aug 09 10:04
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oiaohm	Great I have a 3TB brick drive to remove.	Aug 09 10:16
oiaohm	Luck its one of my mirror raid drives.	Aug 09 10:19
oiaohm	Removing prelink and preload from my system has improved boot times no end.	Aug 09 11:07
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bgiltrap/status/630336471648600064	Aug 09 12:16
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bgiltrap: @schestowitz how to find a method to get news to the public & removing biases?, social media for tends to reinforce preexisting views		Aug 09 12:16
schestowitz	It's a tough problem	Aug 09 12:16
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/2E0EOL/status/630337836131184640	Aug 09 12:21
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@2E0EOL: @schestowitz Fair play to #Assange; I'd do the same as him, but ironically, they have put him away for a few years anyway!		Aug 09 12:21
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bgiltrap/status/630338093242040320	Aug 09 12:22
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bgiltrap: @schestowitz maybe the answer is in a software newspaper - using some of the concepts outlined http://t.co/b9clJMwSva		Aug 09 12:22
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Nessie43/status/630341268221112321	Aug 09 12:44
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Nessie43: @schestowitz To deal with what is known might be too boring for some.		Aug 09 12:44
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/630341362974470144	Aug 09 12:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: The #irrational #hate of the #West towards #Russia provides a hint: https://t.co/LAZY1TVDHf		Aug 09 12:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Did the Nazis lose or get 'redistributed'/'decentralised'? https://t.co/TZVUGQbXyp		Aug 09 12:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/Metztli_IT/status/630342451509628928	Aug 09 12:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@Metztli_IT: …AND #money #laundering AND #economic #extortion/@threats to submit other countries to the Empire's will, as well: https://t.co/1jdKYojXOp		Aug 09 12:45
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz: Wall Street connected to #espionage agencies (and #war profiteers) http://t.co/z560XR1fjX		Aug 09 12:45
schestowitz	https://twitter.com/krautlandnewsed/status/630345554908848128	Aug 09 12:55
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@krautlandnewsed: @schestowitz Fun fact: When barracks were named after Heusinger in 80s, some "period" flags pulled from "infantry museum" decorated event.		Aug 09 12:55
oiaohm	Orcale still attempting to attack Android.	Aug 09 13:09
oiaohm	Really this is good because that will make phone makers consider other Linux options as backup plans.	Aug 09 13:09
schestowitz	http://www.newindianexpress.com/cities/hyderabad/Code-Word/2015/08/08/article2962737.ece	Aug 09 13:11
schestowitz	"There’s a tasteless joke about a possible CIA code name for Monica Lewinsky. They say it’s ‘The Hoover’."	Aug 09 13:11
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schestowitz	oiaohm: but isn't oracle in db business?	Aug 09 13:11
schestowitz	I never understood this...	Aug 09 13:11
schestowitz	except the fact that they own java	Aug 09 13:11
schestowitz	and dalvik changes some stuff in the universal form	Aug 09 13:11
oiaohm	Not exactly.	Aug 09 13:17
oiaohm	JVM was sold as a mobile phone application solution before Android existed.	Aug 09 13:17
oiaohm	schestowitz: http://www.oracle.com/technetwork/java/embedded/javame/java-mobile/downloads/javaformobiledevicesdownloads-2194042.html	Aug 09 13:19
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.oracle.com \| Java for Mobile Devices Downloads [ http://ur1.ca/ne8bf ]		Aug 09 13:19
oiaohm	This is what Oracle is upset about. Basically google took their old lunch.	Aug 09 13:20
oiaohm	My old nokia phone that I replaced contained this.	Aug 09 13:21
oiaohm	Really over all the years of JVM phones not one of them made a decent smart phone.	Aug 09 13:28
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TweetTuxMachines	@tuxmachines Canonical Has No Plans to Support DEB-Based	Aug 09 14:16
TweetTuxMachines	Ubuntu Software Center http://t.co/NEsxXeDh3g	Aug 09 14:16
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MinceR	https://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-group-hits-indie-creators-for-using-the-word-pixels-150808/	Aug 09 16:25
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/qu1j0t3/status/630403498388135936	Aug 09 16:41
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@qu1j0t3: @schestowitz "The firearm and the ammunition must not be packed in the same container". http://t.co/a4kVGRalDC		Aug 09 16:41
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schestowitz	MinceR: seen that, thankls	Aug 09 16:41
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schestowitz	https://twitter.com/bgiltrap/status/630413398807855105	Aug 09 17:23
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@bgiltrap: @schestowitz fud against libreoffice? http://t.co/nEdq5jLu5A		Aug 09 17:23
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schestowitz	indeed, not seen it though	Aug 09 17:24
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schestowitz	"At sentencing, my judge … took away my federal pension."	Aug 09 18:00
schestowitz	Seen that too, not enough space to add	Aug 09 18:00
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6445191	Aug 09 18:01
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: John Kiriakou: "auto insurance canceled my policies.. credit card company canceled my card" http://www.citywatchla.com/lead-stories-hidden/9431-read-this-first-before-you-blow-the-whistle-here-s-what-no-one-ever-tells-you #torture		Aug 09 18:01
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schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6445177	Aug 09 18:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: When #Psychology Is Used For #Torture http://www.huffingtonpost.com/donna-mckay/the-brutal-toll-of-psycho_b_7948448.html https://sojo.net/articles/when-psychology-used-torture and then incites entire ethnic groups		Aug 09 18:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.huffingtonpost.com \| The Brutal Toll of Psychologists' Role in Torture \| Donna McKay [ http://ur1.ca/neaik ]		Aug 09 18:02
schestowitz	"‘Like’ is the wrong button, but thanks for sharing!"	Aug 09 18:02
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> sojo.net \| When Psychology Is Used For Torture \| Sojourners [ http://ur1.ca/neail ]		Aug 09 18:02
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6445148	Aug 09 18:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Donald Trump: "I pay as little as possible" in taxes http://www.cbsnews.com/news/donald-trump-i-pay-as-little-as-possible-in-taxes/ #billgates evades it http://techrights.org/wiki/index.php/Gates_Foundation_Critique		Aug 09 18:03
schestowitz	"it is an inescapable law of the shit can that scum rises to the top"	Aug 09 18:03
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.cbsnews.com \| Donald Trump: "I pay as little as possible" in taxes - CBS News [ http://ur1.ca/neaix ]		Aug 09 18:03
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schestowitz	By design	Aug 09 18:03
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6445140	Aug 09 18:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: Donald Trump: "Waterboarding doesn't sound very severe" http://www.vox.com/2015/8/2/9086575/donald-trump-waterboarding-torture #torture #donaldtrump		Aug 09 18:04
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights--> www.vox.com \| Donald Trump: "Waterboarding doesn't sound very severe" - Vox [ http://ur1.ca/neaj8 ]		Aug 09 18:04
schestowitz	"OK so instead of a TV debate shall we do a TV waterboarding and let’s have some truth out of you Trump"	Aug 09 18:04
schestowitz	He'll send an apprentice to that...	Aug 09 18:04
schestowitz	https://www.joindiaspora.com/posts/6445124	Aug 09 18:05
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-@schestowitz@joindiaspora.com: A Letter From #Africa to #BlackLivesMatter http://www.counterpunch.org/2015/08/05/a-letter-from-africa-to-blacklivesmatter/ "Do these Black lives matter just as much as Black American lives?"		Aug 09 18:05
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schestowitz	http://asmarino.com/articles/637-shame-on-thomas-c-mountain	Aug 09 18:05
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msb__	MinceR: This is great! https://torrentfreak.com/anti-piracy-group-hits-indie-creators-for-using-the-word-pixels-150808/	Aug 09 18:05
schestowitz	"	Aug 09 18:05
schestowitz	I didn’t think I would respond to Thomas C. Mr. Mountain’s article entitled, “Sweden’s Cause Celebre Dawit Issack: Hero or Zero?” published in Eritreacompass.com, a sister website of shabait.com(a website of the Ministry of Information).	Aug 09 18:05
schestowitz	Mr. Mountain is an unofficial spokesperson of the Eritrean government and he was actually hired by the People’s Front for Democracy and Justice (PFDJ) to misinform the international community. I didn’t intend to raise this issue because most people know the truth anyway, but I decided to do so just in case Mr. Mountain’s article influences 0.00001% members of the international community. Those people deserve to know the truth if they	Aug 09 18:05
schestowitz	are not aware of it yet.	Aug 09 18:05
schestowitz	"	Aug 09 18:05
msb__	MinceR: Why not issue DMCA takedowns for everything using the word "The" in its title, since that word has already been copyrighted.	Aug 09 18:07
schestowitz	maybe T.H.E. is taken	Aug 09 18:20
schestowitz	for some company names	Aug 09 18:20
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cubexyz	the whole copyright thing has just turned into a farcial overreach	Aug 09 19:32
cubexyz	in an era where any 2-dimensional recordings can be duplicated at the touch of a button	Aug 09 19:33
cubexyz	I still buy books, I still buy DVDs and magazines	Aug 09 19:36
cubexyz	thumbs down to vimeo	Aug 09 19:39
cubexyz	I don't think you can copyright short phrases, never mind single words	Aug 09 19:42
cubexyz	"slogans or other short phrases or expressions cannot be coprighted"	Aug 09 19:43
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cubexyz	and even with all the devices that make copying easy some stuff is lost	Aug 09 19:58
cubexyz	75% of silent movies are lost	Aug 09 20:07
cubexyz	early Unix source code is partially lost	Aug 09 20:07
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MinceR	msb__: i wondered how many takedowns were issued when the movie "Up" was released	Aug 09 20:47
MinceR	"It" probably predated this sort of idiocy	Aug 09 20:47
cubexyz	the 1927 film? probably	Aug 09 20:49
msb__	_IT -- The Thing_	Aug 09 20:49
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msb__	I was listening to an audiobook of World of Ptavvs, about an alien that could control minds, make others its slaves. And I fell asleep, and was dreaming about it, and then heard a shriek -- the Wilhelm Scream -- which my IRC client makes when someone writes my nick. It was scary!	Aug 09 20:56
MinceR	lol	Aug 09 20:58
MinceR	apparently the "It" i meant was not a movie, but a miniseries	Aug 09 20:58
msb__	Copying and file-sharing should be encouraged! So some part of our civilization will remain after the US government starts WW3.	Aug 09 20:59
msb__	Will remain for aliens to find after the radiation dies down.	Aug 09 21:00
msb__	Yikes! Raspberry Pi is on Linux 4.1, and I'm still on 2.6!	Aug 09 21:01
msb__	I'll bet cubexyz has me beat, though...	Aug 09 21:02
cubexyz	I run Unix v5, v6, v7, quasijarus, and there's BL3 which has a Linux 2.2 kernel	Aug 09 21:03
msb__	Don't you run some kind of Linux on 12AX7s?	Aug 09 21:03
msb__	Those little dual-triodes with the warm orange glow.	Aug 09 21:04
msb__	You could make a Turing Machine with them and a mercury delay-line, then run Linux on that.	Aug 09 21:05
msb__	Once it booted up, it would be fast enough for command-line (if you were patient).	Aug 09 21:06
msb__	I'm thinking of how to compute after the Apocalypse.	Aug 09 21:07
MinceR	it's more likely that putin will start ww3	Aug 09 21:08
MinceR	or some fundies in the middle east	Aug 09 21:08
MinceR	the aliens can probably use our radio broadcasts	Aug 09 21:08
msb__	How to say "Hello World" after we've killed the World.	Aug 09 21:09
MinceR	we can't, we'll be dead	Aug 09 21:09
MinceR	would be nice if we could create a strong AI to do so though :>	Aug 09 21:09
cubexyz	AI is an utter joke	Aug 09 21:10
msb__	Oh joy! Skynet will survive!	Aug 09 21:10
MinceR	even skynet would be better than humans :>	Aug 09 21:10
msb__	Well, It thinks so.	Aug 09 21:10
MinceR	it's probably more rational than most humans	Aug 09 21:11
cubexyz	basically there is no AI	Aug 09 21:11
msb__	Certainly more consistent.	Aug 09 21:11
cubexyz	just fancy text processors	Aug 09 21:11
cubexyz	and expert systems	Aug 09 21:11
cubexyz	useful, but nothing like strong AI	Aug 09 21:12
msb__	That's what aliens think about _us_!	Aug 09 21:12
msb__	Text processors with a sex drive.	Aug 09 21:12
msb__	Note folks, I did not take the "Putin" bait.	Aug 09 21:13
MinceR	i don't take all the baits either	Aug 09 21:14
msb__	Even though Putin destroyed Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, and Syria.	Aug 09 21:14
msb__	Oh, wait.	Aug 09 21:14
msb__	:>	Aug 09 21:15
MinceR	looks like our resident nashist takes more baits than he'd like to admit	Aug 09 21:16
XRevan86	Нашисты!	Aug 09 21:16
XRevan86	Oh wait	Aug 09 21:16
XRevan86	no, exactly that	Aug 09 21:16
XRevan86	MinceR: Nashist?	Aug 09 21:16
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nashism	Aug 09 21:17
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XRevan86	MinceR: Which ones do you refer to?	Aug 09 21:18
MinceR	see the link	Aug 09 21:18
XRevan86	MinceR: The explanation of the word is not totally accurate, by the way :).	Aug 09 21:18
MinceR	well, i make do with what i can find	Aug 09 21:18
XRevan86	MinceR: Nashi (ours) + fascist	Aug 09 21:19
XRevan86	that's the pun	Aug 09 21:19
XRevan86	"Nashist" is a valid word though so that makes the pun harder to see.	Aug 09 21:20
msb__	One-L lama is a priest, two-L llama is a beast, I will bet a silk pajama that there is no 3-L lllama.	Aug 09 21:21
XRevan86	but the pointlessness of the "nashism" as a ideological word gives the pun back :)	Aug 09 21:21
msb__	There was also the Nash Rambler car.	Aug 09 21:21
XRevan86	ournism	Aug 09 21:22
MinceR	we'll all end up in "ourns"? :>	Aug 09 21:22
msb__	It's mine! All mine!	Aug 09 21:22
cubexyz	I was wondering if it referred to John Nash :)	Aug 09 21:23
XRevan86	Our as in our people	Aug 09 21:23
cubexyz	if civilization really did fall then recreating computers won't be the first priority	Aug 09 21:24
msb__	First find a pot to piss in. Then recreate computers!	Aug 09 21:26
msb__	Maybe the CIA poisoned John Nash because he was working on game theory.	Aug 09 21:26
cubexyz	it would all depend on far civilization collapsed of course	Aug 09 21:27
cubexyz	I don't think things would go back to the stone age	Aug 09 21:27
cubexyz	there's just too much stuff for it all to disappear	Aug 09 21:27
msb__	Right. If our dicks fell off we wouldn't need a pot.	Aug 09 21:27
XRevan86	cubexyz: Destroy all the electrostations.	Aug 09 21:28
XRevan86	and organization	Aug 09 21:28
XRevan86	and loot everything else	Aug 09 21:28
XRevan86	cubexyz: Done.	Aug 09 21:28
XRevan86	It's stone age	Aug 09 21:28
msb__	Horse thievery again becomes the ultimate crime.	Aug 09 21:29
cubexyz	woodcraft wouldn't disappear, but you would need tools	Aug 09 21:30
cubexyz	so yeah, hammers, saws, chisels	Aug 09 21:30
cubexyz	people would loot all that stuff	Aug 09 21:31
XRevan86	cubexyz: Yeah, that would hard to loot.	Aug 09 21:31
XRevan86	cubexyz: Then, we need to urbanise everybody.	Aug 09 21:31
XRevan86	first	Aug 09 21:32
msb__	Everybody who wasn't carbonised.	Aug 09 21:32
cubexyz	I'd say humans are too selfish for MAD to occur	Aug 09 21:33
cubexyz	unless some crazy accident happens	Aug 09 21:33
msb__	But psychopaths aren't human.	Aug 09 21:34
msb__	Hardware is, software isn't.	Aug 09 21:34
MinceR	unfortunately, some of the most popular religions "teach" people that their death is not something to avoid	Aug 09 21:34
MinceR	and those fundies have nukes	Aug 09 21:35
msb__	And other people's deaths are something to be desired.	Aug 09 21:35
msb__	Trouble is, loving Christians have murdered a lot more people than Evil Moslems, at least lately.	Aug 09 21:36
MinceR	well, that other people's deaths are to be desired is an even more popular belief	Aug 09 21:38
cubexyz	how long until the population starts contracting is an interesting question	Aug 09 21:38
MinceR	i think it's more interesting how quickly it will contract	Aug 09 21:39
cubexyz	since the doomsday scenarios are unlikely	Aug 09 21:39
msb__	Maybe they'll decide that if a little circumcision is good, a lot is even better, and they will be self-limiting.	Aug 09 21:39
MinceR	lol	Aug 09 21:40
MinceR	if only	Aug 09 21:40
MinceR	but it seems that human societies do everything they can to avoid a slow, controllable contraction	Aug 09 21:40
MinceR	they want a catastrophic one	Aug 09 21:40
msb__	Unlikely? Israel, with its 400 nukes, is threatening to nuke Iran if it makes only one.	Aug 09 21:40
cubexyz	mindless posturing	Aug 09 21:40
cubexyz	they won't	Aug 09 21:41
cubexyz	same reason why there's been no nuking of cities since Nagasaki	Aug 09 21:42
MinceR	maybe the islamists will start instead	Aug 09 21:42
msb__	Israelis have rained down nerve gas and white phosphorus on Gaza schoolchildren. Are you sure they won't?	Aug 09 21:42
cubexyz	small change compared to nuking a city	Aug 09 21:43
cubexyz	people really do fear nukes	Aug 09 21:44
MinceR	except the people who believe they're going to heaven	Aug 09 21:44
msb__	Bomb the Kaaba with pig juice. That'll fix them!	Aug 09 21:44
MinceR	and their enemies are going to hell	Aug 09 21:44
MinceR	lol	Aug 09 21:44
cubexyz	the fear massive retaliation of the counter-nuke	Aug 09 21:44
cubexyz	s/the/they/	Aug 09 21:44
cubexyz	conventional warfare, even chemical weapons is one thing	Aug 09 21:45
cubexyz	nuking a city is a whole different level	Aug 09 21:45
MinceR	no, they don't fear retaliation because they believe that sends them to heaven	Aug 09 21:46
msb__	It's only the few percent that are psychopaths that want to end the human race. The rest of us enjoy living.	Aug 09 21:46
cubexyz	just because some folks believe in an afterlife doesn't mean they don't enjoy living, or having families	Aug 09 21:47
cubexyz	you just have a certain small percentage of really crazy extremists	Aug 09 21:48
msb__	Yes, you'd think the insane Moslem religion would lead to lots of murders by Moslems, but it's Christians and Jews that are doing almost all of it.	Aug 09 21:48
cubexyz	Nash Equilibrium to use another term	Aug 09 21:49
cubexyz	the attacker doesn't attack with nukes because the result would be the complete annihilation of both attacker and defender	Aug 09 21:49
msb__	The Christians and Jews use the Moslems as a handy excuse for war profiteering.	Aug 09 21:49
MinceR	their religion tells them life doesn't matter and they'll enjoy the afterlife more	Aug 09 21:50
msb__	But it's the US that's been murdering everybody, and it's leader isn't a Moslem.	Aug 09 21:51
msb__	Oh, wait.	Aug 09 21:51
XRevan86	Every religion tells lies. What more is there one need to dislike?	Aug 09 21:51
msb__	Capitalism/Imperialism is the most murderous religion.	Aug 09 21:52
msb__	Kill everyone who threatens the profits.	Aug 09 21:53
msb__	The profits are much more evil than the prophets.	Aug 09 21:53
MinceR	it's a pity the eastern bloc "threatens the profits" of russia	Aug 09 21:53
msb__	It doesn't. Russia has all of Asia to trade with.	Aug 09 21:54
msb__	French farmers are pissed because Russia isn't buying their produce, because of the US sanctions,	Aug 09 21:56
msb__	With Russia now joining up with China and India and points East, if the US tries to hurt Russia economically, they can just give it a big Fuck You.	Aug 09 21:57
XRevan86	> if the US tries to hurt Russia economically	Aug 09 21:58
XRevan86	Um, it already does. Not good enough, but does.	Aug 09 21:58
msb__	Are you finding any loss of goods these days?	Aug 09 21:59
XRevan86	msb__: Well, things are getting expensive.	Aug 09 21:59
XRevan86	Not as expensive as in Ukraine these days though.	Aug 09 21:59
XRevan86	so I don't really see the point	Aug 09 21:59
msb__	They US doesn't care at all about Ukraine. They're just using it as a way to attack Russia.	Aug 09 22:00
msb__	At least annoy Russia.	Aug 09 22:01
XRevan86	msb__: Since Ukraine doesn't get any sufficient economical help from them after the fact, it really seems so.	Aug 09 22:01
XRevan86	Gosh, Ukrainians really thought they will live by EU standards	Aug 09 22:02
XRevan86	but now they can't catch up with Russian ones	Aug 09 22:02
msb__	Yeah, EU doesn't give a shit either.	Aug 09 22:04
MinceR	hungarians already gave up on that	Aug 09 22:04
msb__	Maybe if you started calling yourselves Wellfedians...	Aug 09 22:05
MinceR	har har	Aug 09 22:06
MinceR	most hungarians wouldn't get that joke	Aug 09 22:06
msb__	I really think that if you got rid of Orban and joined up with Eurasia you'd do better. They are much more honest traders these days than the West.	Aug 09 22:08
MinceR	you will see how wrong you are	Aug 09 22:08
MinceR	all our nazis are in love with putler and want to be kicked out of the EU	Aug 09 22:09
MinceR	though maybe putler will put the country on life support in exchange for slaves	Aug 09 22:09
msb__	At least I'm not worried that Putin is hiding under my bed.	Aug 09 22:09
msb__	There's no room with Obama there.	Aug 09 22:09
MinceR	(not that he'll afford to if oil prices drop further)	Aug 09 22:09
XRevan86	MinceR: I guess your nazis like the aura of the strong hand that media for some reason gives about Putin.	Aug 09 22:10
MinceR	yeah, they love their concept of "strength" and "order"	Aug 09 22:10
MinceR	(generally known as fascism)	Aug 09 22:10
XRevan86	MinceR: At least somebody things Russia has that :).	Aug 09 22:10
XRevan86	* thinks	Aug 09 22:10
XRevan86	(seriously, order???)	Aug 09 22:11
MinceR	also, hungary will be a lot less useful to putin if it gets kicked out of the EU and the NATO	Aug 09 22:11
MinceR	(as a spy)	Aug 09 22:11
msb__	How is Hungary useful to Putin?	Aug 09 22:11
MinceR	so i think our nazis are setting themselves up for a big disappointment	Aug 09 22:11
MinceR	msb__: as an EU member, it can lobby for russia; as a NATO member, it can leak NATO secrets to russia	Aug 09 22:12
msb__	Sole supplier of goulash?	Aug 09 22:12
MinceR	i don't think learning how to cook goulash is that hard	Aug 09 22:12
XRevan86	MinceR: I'm not sure Russia needs lobbying in EU.	Aug 09 22:12
XRevan86	> it can leak NATO secrets to russia	Aug 09 22:12
MinceR	XRevan86: yet they appear to be getting it	Aug 09 22:12
MinceR	most famously via jobbik	Aug 09 22:12
XRevan86	On a government official stage?	Aug 09 22:12
MinceR	perhaps not on a government official stage yet	Aug 09 22:13
MinceR	though iirc orban lobbied for them too	Aug 09 22:13
msb__	This channel is so educational. I keep having to look things up!	Aug 09 22:15
MinceR	https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B%C3%A9la_Kov%C3%A1cs_%28politician,_1960%29	Aug 09 22:16
MinceR	the most famous example	Aug 09 22:16
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MinceR	funny how fidesz pretends they don't do the exact same thing	Aug 09 22:17
msb__	Jobbik leader: Addressing their remarks to Hungarian Jews the comment poster stated that they "would be glad if the so-called proud Hungarian Jews went back to playing with their tiny circumcised dicks instead of vilifying me."	Aug 09 22:18
msb__	They don't like gays either.	Aug 09 22:18
msb__	MinceR: But they give NATO secrets to Russia?	Aug 09 22:19
MinceR	even though they obviously do: http://hungarytoday.hu/news/orban-russian-sanctions-shot-leg	Aug 09 22:19
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MinceR	msb__: i don't know for sure, but i strongly suspect it	Aug 09 22:19
MinceR	obviously that would not be publicized	Aug 09 22:19
MinceR	it's an obvious way in which hungary can be useful to putler	Aug 09 22:19
MinceR	putin doesn't like gays having rights either	Aug 09 22:20
msb__	Bela Kovacs was an actor in Space Patrol. He played the evil Prince Baccarratti !	Aug 09 22:21
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msb__	Ooh he was so evil!	Aug 09 22:22
MinceR	not necessarily the same bela kovacs	Aug 09 22:23
MinceR	kovacs is one of the most common hungarian last names (means smith)	Aug 09 22:23
MinceR	bela is a common first name	Aug 09 22:23
MinceR	(the disambiguation parameters in the parentheses also hint on many articles on different people with that name existing)	Aug 09 22:24
msb__	I figured not the same one.	Aug 09 22:24
msb__	But that's Orban? He looks as evil as Prince Baccarratti !	Aug 09 22:25
cubexyz	are more people using Chromebooks/Linux/FOSS in Hungary and Russia now?	Aug 09 22:25
MinceR	screenshot if IE in disguise: http://i.4cdn.org/pol/1439103616123.png	Aug 09 22:25
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cubexyz	it seems to be increasing here in Canada	Aug 09 22:25
MinceR	cubexyz: probably more so in russia	Aug 09 22:25
MinceR	hungarians love m$ and crApple crap	Aug 09 22:25
MinceR	shops tend to avoid stocking anything that runs gnu/linux	Aug 09 22:26
XRevan86	cubexyz: I've never seen a Chromebook outside Linux Fest.	Aug 09 22:26
cubexyz	hmmm	Aug 09 22:26
MinceR	the russian government seems to have enough of a clue to recognize that FLOSS can help their national security	Aug 09 22:26
MinceR	hungarians seem to be stuck with "m$ is all we 'learned' at school and crApple is so hip"	Aug 09 22:27
XRevan86	MinceR: You know, russian government has a problem with guts.	Aug 09 22:27
MinceR	our politicians bragged about writing their shitty laws on hypePads	Aug 09 22:27
MinceR	oblivious to the severe national security issues	Aug 09 22:27
msb__	Some of those Chromebooks look like the best and cheapest laptops anywhere: http://www.techradar.com/us/news/mobile-computing/laptops/best-chromebooks-top-5-chromebooks-in-the-us-1233696	Aug 09 22:27
-TechrightsBot-tr/#techrights-www.techradar.com \| 10 Best Chromebooks 2015: top Chromebooks reviewed \| TechRadar [ http://ur1.ca/ndnut ]		Aug 09 22:27
XRevan86	Apple PC's are not popular gladly	Aug 09 22:28
MinceR	the lenovo chromebook n20p looked interesting and attractive	Aug 09 22:28
XRevan86	but iPhone's and iPad's is a thing I'm so sick of	Aug 09 22:28
MinceR	unsurprisingly, it's unavailable	Aug 09 22:28
XRevan86	and Windows Phone, great maker	Aug 09 22:28
msb__	Governments shouldn't have secrets anyhow.	Aug 09 22:28
XRevan86	Why do I continue to see Windows Phone?	Aug 09 22:28
cubexyz	why do I see a lot of my friends use windows 10? It's disappointing for sure	Aug 09 22:29
msb__	Putler is hooked up with the greatest evil in the world -- Microsoft!	Aug 09 22:30
XRevan86	Maybe Russians love to buy crappy very cheap Android's and then replace them with iPhone's and Windows Phone's.	Aug 09 22:30
MinceR	hypeOS doesn't merely enable crApple to spy on governments	Aug 09 22:30
MinceR	and even if it only did that, crApple finding out government secrets doesn't help citizens, it only helps crApple	Aug 09 22:31
msb__	XRevan86: Do you have a website? You should tell other Russians about this stuff.	Aug 09 22:31
XRevan86	cubexyz: That I see as well. But there's more, as I said.	Aug 09 22:31
msb__	Workers of the World Arise! Use FOSS!	Aug 09 22:32
XRevan86	msb__: I'm not good at telling. The only audience I'd be able to reach will not be interested in such infomation: IT geeks.	Aug 09 22:32
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MinceR	even the cheapest, crappiest android device is more functional than any hypeOS device or winblows phone	Aug 09 22:32
XRevan86	MinceR: Apparently you haven't seen a crappy Android phone :).	Aug 09 22:32
MinceR	XRevan86: it's still an open platform	Aug 09 22:33
cubexyz	I still have to do the odd win95 job :-/	Aug 09 22:33
MinceR	and hypeOS and its clones are still closed	Aug 09 22:33
XRevan86	MinceR: It hurts the user so user blames Android.	Aug 09 22:33
cubexyz	strange how a few people still use it, but who am I to talk	Aug 09 22:33
msb__	XRevan86: But IT geeks are the ones who most need to know about how bad Apple and MS are. Then they'll tell others.	Aug 09 22:33
msb__	And you are good at explaining stuff to us.	Aug 09 22:34
XRevan86	msb__: You don't need my IT explaining, you already have a FOSS basis.	Aug 09 22:35
XRevan86	and so does anybody else I communicate with	Aug 09 22:35
msb__	But you explain political stuff.	Aug 09 22:35
MinceR	232713 < XRevan86> MinceR: You know, russian government has a problem with guts.	Aug 09 22:35
MinceR	what problem?	Aug 09 22:35
XRevan86	MinceR: Govenment of Russian Federation doesn't like to make serious decisions.	Aug 09 22:36
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MinceR	they didn't seem to have a problem with risking ww3	Aug 09 22:37
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